irclog2html for #debian on 20051018

`00:00.00`	`helix`	`no`
`00:00.03`	`abrotman`	`oh`
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`00:00.06`	`helix`	`abrotman: I know where you live`
`00:00.06`	`abrotman`	`Ingredients: Propylene Glycol, Sodium Palm Kernelate, Sodium Stearate,`
`00:00.09`	`peterS`	`abrotman: no, resiak, he used british grammar just now`
`00:00.10`	`abrotman`	`and that's vegan :)`
`00:00.11`	`helix`	`(in a non-stalker way)`
`00:00.13`	`Guerin`	`lightbright: we've had this discussion already`
`00:00.20`	`Tortel`	`!omg`
`00:00.20`	`dpkg`	`somebody said omg was what ppl say when they see a printed copy of the CORBA specs. "OMG! IT'S HUGE!". Oh My God`
`00:00.22`	`abrotman`	`i have no idea what that stuff is .. but it's vegan!`
`00:00.27`	`helix`	`it's soap`
`00:00.32`	`abrotman`	`i know it's soap`
`00:00.32`	`helix`	`it says "karma soap" even`
`00:00.38`	`helix`	`oh the chemicals`
`00:00.39`	`abrotman`	`it also says it's vegan`
`00:00.39`	`helix`	`sorry`
`00:00.59`	`helix`	`it says kernelate`
`00:01.00`	`peterS`	`I think October 17 should be celebrated every year in #debian as Guy Mwilson Day`
`00:01.06`	`helix`	`I need to kernelate my computer`
`00:01.07`	`abrotman`	`HURD kernel ?`
`00:01.08`	`Guerin`	`hahah`
`00:01.10`	`kittenbot`	`wikipedia provides revision history ?`
`00:01.15`	`peterS`	`kittenbot: yes`
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`00:01.32`	`helix`	`wikipedia is like an abusive relationship`
`00:01.45`	`lightbright`	`helix: yeah`
`00:01.51`	`LabThug`	`anyone in here had any experience building madwifi?`
`00:01.58`	`lightbright`	`helix: filled with inaccurate data :)`
`00:02.23`	`peterS`	`a bad analogy is like an abusive web site`
`00:02.26`	`helix`	`lightbright: well, true, it's not as reliable as the first google hit`
`00:02.34`	`Guerin`	`wikipedia is appropriate for some purposes, and inappropriate for others. it's a good resource for casual research, or to look into general opinion on a topic, but not for much serious.`
`00:02.38`	`lightbright`	`helix: I agree with you totally`
`00:02.45`	`Guerin`	`peterS: that's more sane`
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`00:02.58`	`resiak`	`helix: Yes, I am from the UK`
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`00:03.10`	`pryzbyj`	`anyone know if Florian Ernst is around?`
`00:03.17`	`abrotman`	`oh no .. not again`
`00:03.38`	`lightbright`	`helix: a friend of mine wrote an article about quantum physics on wikipedia and he said he wrote total nonsense, yet wikipedia still has the article there for everyone to read! little do they know they are reading false data`
`00:03.55`	`abrotman`	`proof!`
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`00:04.14`	`helix`	`I hope they're all showing off their new knowledge`
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`00:04.21`	`LabThug`	`More specifically, madwifi is telling me I need to "enable crypto API" I've installed libss-dev`
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`00:04.34`	`lightbright`	`helix: the worse part is that some students are using wikipedia for school assignments etc, not knowing that most data there is false and misleading`
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`00:04.53`	`amphi`	`lightbright: how do you know most of it is false and misleading?`
`00:05.00`	`Sir_LeChucK`	`hello #debian :D`
`00:05.03`	`Guerin`	`lightbright: students using wp for school assignments are too stupid to pass anyway`
`00:05.12`	`Guerin`	`that's an example of what it's not appropriate for`
`00:05.13`	`kittenbot`	`LabThug: The crypto API is a kernel thing... You'll need to enable the options in your kernel and recompile ?`
`00:05.30`	`lightbright`	`amphi: because I have checked much of it personally`
`00:05.34`	`LabThug`	`kittenbot, ok thanks`
`00:05.35`	`bbrazil`	`Guerin: not when the goal is to get the assignment out of the way`
`00:05.47`	`Guerin`	`bbrazil: even then.`
`00:05.50`	`Sir_LeChucK`	`im using the testing branch, i do a #apt-get upgrade.. and it shows me the packages that has to be upgraded but it doesnt upgrade it... why is this ?`
`00:05.54`	`lightbright`	`amphi: but I shouldnt say "most" I dont have a accurate figure`
`00:06.04`	`Guerin`	`lightbright: and you're an authority on all sorts of things.`
`00:06.32`	`abrotman`	`!held back`
`00:06.32`	`dpkg`	`kept back is, like, when packages have not been upgraded, even though newer versions are available, because it cannot resolve dependencies for the newer version, or when you told it to hold packages, or when you used "upgrade" instead of "dist-upgrade", or the safest way to resolve this is perhaps to 'apt-get install <kept-package>' and it will resolve stuff for you..`
`00:07.01`	`abrotman`	`amphi: you missed this troll last time ?`
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`00:07.43`	`amphi`	`abrotman: I believe so - I have no idea how accurate wikipedia is in general; the article on trofim lysenko seemed rather good IMHO`
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`00:08.34`	`abrotman`	`amphi: mind you .. she's read much of wikipedia .. and it has 50,000+ articles in english alone`
`00:08.56`	`abrotman`	`err 500,000k`
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`00:09.45`	`abrotman`	`http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a9/Wikipedia_growth.png ... which includes stubs .. but that's a lot of reeading for a person who knows they are reading false statements`
`00:09.47`	`amphi`	`abrotman: thus lightbright> amphi: but I shouldnt say "most" ;)`
`00:10.12`	`Guerin`	`actually`
`00:10.32`	`abrotman`	`amphi: i'd be impressed if she had read more than 1,000 completely enough to judge them false or not`
`00:11.03`	`abrotman`	`i need karma soap`
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`00:11.11`	`Guerin`	`given light*'s demonstrated lack of reading comprehension, I think it's entirely possible that it read enough of thousands of articles to THINK they're wrong`
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`00:11.41`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
`00:11.57`	`cadu`	`how can i make dpkg-reconfigure update my xorg.conf again? (wasuretaaa)`
`00:12.04`	`Guerin`	`!drxx cadu`
`00:12.05`	`dpkg`	`cadu: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) \|\| if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5>`
`00:14.39`	`Sir_LeChucK`	`im using the testing branch, i do a #apt-get upgrade.. and it shows me the packages that has to be upgraded but it doesnt upgrade it... why is this ?`
`00:15.12`	`abrotman`	`!held back`
`00:15.12`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, kept back is when packages have not been upgraded, even though newer versions are available, because it cannot resolve dependencies for the newer version, or when you told it to hold packages, or when you used "upgrade" instead of "dist-upgrade", or the safest way to resolve this is perhaps to 'apt-get install <kept-package>' and it will resolve stuff for you..`
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`00:15.16`	`lightbright`	`Sir_LeChucK: you say "Y" ?`
`00:15.29`	`Guerin`	`lightbright: irrelevant`
`00:15.45`	`Sir_LeChucK`	`lightbright: there isnt a prompt`
`00:15.48`	`abrotman`	`Guerin: do i get the prize ??`
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`00:16.15`	`lightbright`	`Sir_LeChucK: ah ok`
`00:16.33`	`lightbright`	`brunoj1: hello`
`00:16.35`	`abrotman`	`apt-get update;apt-get -u -y dist-upgrade ?`
`00:16.35`	`Sir_LeChucK`	`lightbright: i made a apt-get update while i was trying the unstable branch`
`00:16.44`	`brunoj1`	`lightbright hello`
`00:16.50`	`lightbright`	`Sir_LeChucK: ask dondelelcaro , he would know`
`00:16.59`	`lightbright`	`brunoj1: how is brazil these days? :)`
`00:17.01`	`smacnay`	`hmm, getting gpg errors on apt-get update. I will try again later.`
`00:17.17`	`abrotman`	`Sir_LeChucK: apt-get update;apt-get -u dist-upgrade`
`00:18.01`	`Sir_LeChucK`	`abrotman: thanks, it looks like its upgrading now`
`00:18.16`	`abrotman`	`Sir_LeChucK: yeah .. /msg dpkg held back ... if you want to understand why`
`00:18.17`	`Sir_LeChucK`	`abrotman: its downloading the .debs...`
`00:18.20`	`abrotman`	`yay`
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`00:18.57`	`brunoj1`	`lightbright fine`
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`00:19.20`	`brunoj1`	`lightbright do you speak portuguese?`
`00:19.27`	`amphi`	`heh`
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`00:19.36`	`Sir_LeChucK`	`this weekend i tried FreeBSD, Slackware, Kubuntu and now Debian`
`00:19.38`	`LabThug`	`It's building, it's building!!! OMG, it's building!!!`
`00:19.43`	`Sir_LeChucK`	`Debian is the winner :P`
`00:19.48`	`abrotman`	`LabThug: we have lots of buildings around here`
`00:19.53`	`abrotman`	`Sir_LeChucK: yay :)`
`00:20.13`	`fabiofx`	`hehe... aqui tem + brasileiros que eu pensava :D`
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`00:20.25`	`Sir_LeChucK`	`it has changed a lot since Sarge...`
`00:20.38`	`abrotman`	`sarge has only been out 4 months :)`
`00:20.52`	`Sir_LeChucK`	`why is that ?`
`00:20.58`	`abrotman`	`?`
`00:21.02`	`abrotman`	`because it wsa just released`
`00:21.04`	`abrotman`	`!sarge`
`00:21.04`	`dpkg`	`Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes`
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`00:21.44`	`Sir_LeChucK`	`oh... but there r 2 new codenames`
`00:21.58`	`abrotman`	`!etch`
`00:21.58`	`dpkg`	`hmm... etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/`
`00:21.58`	`Sir_LeChucK`	`how come they release so often`
`00:22.02`	`abrotman`	`so often?`
`00:22.07`	`abrotman`	`the last release was woody`
`00:22.09`	`abrotman`	`!woody`
`00:22.09`	`dpkg`	`[woody] the previous stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge" or "sarge install guide" Security updates for woody will cease approximately one year after sarge's release(July/2006)`
`00:22.13`	`abrotman`	`that's .. 3 years :)`
`00:22.26`	`Tortel`	`!sarge`
`00:22.26`	`dpkg`	`Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes`
`00:22.28`	`Tortel`	`:D`
`00:22.30`	`Sir_LeChucK`	`oh.... yes.. i meant woody !`
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`00:22.36`	`Sir_LeChucK`	`i used woody`
`00:22.39`	`abrotman`	`ah ok`
`00:22.41`	`Sir_LeChucK`	`not sarge`
`00:22.42`	`Sir_LeChucK`	`in fact`
`00:22.44`	`Tortel`	`i may have....`
`00:22.54`	`Sir_LeChucK`	`while i was using woody i was waiting for sarge`
`00:22.55`	`Tortel`	`i used whatever ubuntu is based on`
`00:23.04`	`Sir_LeChucK`	`ubuntu is based on debian`
`00:23.07`	`Sir_LeChucK`	`i hate ubuntu :S`
`00:23.17`	`Tortel`	`yea, i used whatever version ubuntu is based on`
`00:23.20`	`Tortel`	`same`
`00:23.23`	`amphi`	`Sir_LeChucK: you are the first to say "how come they release so often" ;)`
`00:23.29`	`Sir_LeChucK`	`jajaaj`
`00:23.32`	`Tortel`	`it removes alot of stuff from debian`
`00:23.46`	`lightbright`	`brunoj1: no`
`00:24.03`	`Sir_LeChucK`	`i thought sarge was woody :p`
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`00:24.23`	`Sir_LeChucK`	`i want the last kde in the repository =(`
`00:24.30`	`abrotman`	`#debian-kde`
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`00:24.42`	`cadu`	`how can i uninstall nvidia-driver? </offtopic>`
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`00:24.51`	`cadu`	`(i've installed teh manual way)`
`00:24.59`	`abrotman`	`cadu: ask #nvidia`
`00:25.11`	`Sir_LeChucK`	`mm that makes me remember that i have to download the nvidia driver`
`00:25.15`	`Tortel`	`cadu: dont use it`
`00:25.16`	`Tortel`	`:P`
`00:25.17`	`cadu`	`abrotman: thanks`
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`00:25.26`	`abrotman`	`!nvidia one-liner`
`00:25.26`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources>`
`00:25.32`	`Tortel`	`kubuntu?`
`00:25.34`	`Tortel`	`D:`
`00:25.39`	`Tortel`	`evil KDE!`
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`00:25.41`	`Tortel`	`:(`
`00:25.46`	`brunoj1`	`!google kurumin linux`
`00:25.53`	`dpkg`	`Google says kurumin linux is at http://www.guiadohardware.net/kurumin/ or http://www.guiadohardware.net/index.php or http://www.guiadohardware.net/ or http://distrowatch.com/kurumin or http://os.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/06/10/184203&tid=152`
`00:26.15`	`Sir_LeChucK`	`wots kurumin :P ?`
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`00:26.25`	`Tortel`	`its in spanish`
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`00:26.27`	`Tortel`	`i think`
`00:26.46`	`cadu`	`portuguese :)`
`00:26.50`	`cadu`	`go culture!`
`00:26.58`	`brunoj1`	`portuguese =D`
`00:27.01`	`brunoj1`	`brazilian distro`
`00:27.05`	`cadu`	`!kurumin`
`00:27.05`	`dpkg`	`Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. That means it's not debian. Go away.. Ajuda pra Kurumin: http://www.kurumin.com.br`
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`00:27.05`	`Sir_LeChucK`	`oh`
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`00:27.16`	`cadu`	`heheheheh`
`00:27.40`	`brunoj1`	`cadu cool !!`
`00:27.42`	`lightbright`	`whats a great ftp program besides gftp?`
`00:27.47`	`smacnay`	`anyone getting gpg errors when updating from ftp://ftp.tux.org`
`00:27.48`	`Sir_LeChucK`	`the only distro that we argentinian ppl have is ututo or something like that... is a knoppix based distro`
`00:28.04`	`xhypno`	`smacnay, I haven't`
`00:28.05`	`LabThug`	`"KARNELPATH must be defined" defined to what? /usr/src/kernel-2.6.8 or /boot/kernel-2.6.8?`
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`00:28.25`	`smacnay`	`can one delete the /etc/apt/*.gpg file and restart and update?`
`00:28.44`	`Sir_LeChucK`	`lightbright: if u use firefox i use the ftp extension.. is not great.. but i think is comfortable :P`
`00:28.45`	`smacnay`	`oops`
`00:29.00`	`brunoj1`	`!debian`
`00:29.00`	`dpkg`	`[debian] http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents`
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`00:29.16`	`xhypno`	`smacnay, you could also add a line to apt.conf to not authenticate pkgs`
`00:29.22`	`Sir_LeChucK`	`firefox for linux looks uglier than for windows =(`
`00:29.38`	`abrotman`	`wget`
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`00:29.57`	`smacnay`	`xhypno: I could...`
`00:30.02`	`brunoj1`	`Sir_LeChucK yeah but opera`
`00:30.03`	`xhypno`	`Yeah`
`00:30.24`	`lightbright`	`anyone use a great ftp program besides gftp?`
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`00:30.55`	`Guerin`	`lightbright: lftp`
`00:30.56`	`xhypno`	`smacnay, go to the apt-get website and read the section on apt >=1.06`
`00:30.58`	`Sir_LeChucK`	`abrotman: what with the nvidia oneliner u asked dpkg`
`00:31.00`	`amphi`	`lightbright: ncftp, lftp, ...`
`00:31.01`	`Guerin`	`!anyone use`
`00:31.02`	`dpkg`	`No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it.`
`00:31.16`	`abrotman`	`Sir_LeChucK: that's the "easy" way to install nvidia drivers`
`00:31.17`	`brunoj1`	`gFTP is the best =(`
`00:31.27`	`Titjeff`	`bugged :p`
`00:31.29`	`abrotman`	`gwget isn't bad`
`00:31.36`	`Sir_LeChucK`	`abrotman: u mean the debian way to do it :P ?`
`00:31.38`	`lightbright`	`amphi: thanls`
`00:31.39`	`Guerin`	`!best ftp client`
`00:31.39`	`dpkg`	`well, best ftp client is lftp`
`00:31.40`	`bucky`	`lightbright, like for kde ?`
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`00:31.45`	`abrotman`	`Sir_LeChucK: yes`
`00:31.51`	`lightbright`	`bucky: yes kde! ncftp any good?`
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`00:31.57`	`abrotman`	`ncftp rules!`
`00:32.05`	`bucky`	`kbear`
`00:32.16`	`bucky`	`but i haven't tried it`
`00:32.23`	`lightbright`	`bucky: is kbear better than lftp in your opinion?`
`00:32.27`	`brunoj1`	`!dpkg controlled bot ?`
`00:32.38`	`Guerin`	`lightbright: kbear and lftp can't be compared.`
`00:32.43`	`bucky`	`kbear is graphical lightbright`
`00:32.56`	`lightbright`	`bucky: ah ok`
`00:32.57`	`bucky`	`like for websites uploading`
`00:33.00`	`abrotman`	`dpkg: what are you`
`00:33.00`	`dpkg`	`I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot>`
`00:33.16`	`bucky`	`lightbright, is that what you were looking for?`
`00:33.26`	`abrotman`	`would you expect any less ?`
`00:33.26`	`bucky`	`otherwise wget`
`00:33.32`	`abrotman`	`gwget`
`00:33.37`	`abrotman`	`:)`
`00:33.41`	`abrotman`	`!info gwget sarge`
`00:33.43`	`lightbright`	`bucky: yes :)`
`00:33.50`	`dpkg`	`gwget: (GNOME front-end for wget), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.94-2sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 158 kB, Installed size: 960 kB`
`00:33.59`	`pusling`	`is there archives still keeping woody pages ?`
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`00:34.23`	`Sir_LeChucK`	`too many ctrl-f4 :S`
`00:34.30`	`amphi`	`almost a meg for a wget fe??`
`00:34.38`	`abrotman`	`pusling: probably`
`00:34.51`	`abrotman`	`amphi: that's just GTK crap`
`00:35.11`	`abrotman`	`amphi: it's not a bad thing .. but it's a bit much`
`00:35.32`	`abrotman`	`oh ffs`
`00:35.34`	`lightbright`	`bucky: you know me well :) kbear is exactly what I wanted, ty`
`00:35.42`	`bucky`	`you are in an unusual mood abrotman, why so happy`
`00:35.48`	`xhypno`	`smacnay, use this in /etc/apt/apt.conf, APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated 1 ;`
`00:35.52`	`abrotman`	`bucky: i'm always in a good mood`
`00:35.54`	`abrotman`	`almost always`
`00:36.17`	`abrotman`	`bucky: usually if i'm not in a good mood .. i'm not active here`
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`00:36.23`	`bucky`	`lightbright, it's a kde based (if you are running kde) ftp client that makes uploading webpages easy`
`00:36.54`	`bucky`	`abrotman, i've felt a lot better ever since i completely gave up hope`
`00:37.02`	`Guerin`	`bucky: it's already using it, you don't think that's clear by now?`
`00:37.10`	`abrotman`	`bucky: gave up hope of me being happy ?`
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`00:37.23`	`lightbright`	`bucky: exactly what I wanted :) i was using gftp, but it kept crashing, so I wanted another`
`00:37.54`	`zepeuga`	`what is the -o option to put in mount, to have privileges to write in ntfs ?`
`00:37.57`	`bucky`	`Guerin, don't rain on my parade.. i finally made a friend in #debian`
`00:38.08`	`amphi`	`zepeuga: -o devastate`
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`00:38.30`	`psychonate`	`How does one print a postscript file (.ps) from the command line?`
`00:38.48`	`zepeuga`	`amphi, ...`
`00:39.11`	`Guerin`	`bucky: hahahahahahaaa`
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`00:39.13`	`Guerin`	`haha`
`00:39.24`	`psychonate`	`I can't seem to get firefox to print things, though ooffice can, so I thought I would just try to print the postscript file from without`
`00:39.26`	`Guerin`	`that's the saddest thing I've heard all week`
`00:39.35`	`dvs`	`Guerin: Hey! He made a "pal"`
`00:39.41`	`Guerin`	`!pal bucky`
`00:39.42`	`amphi`	`zepeuga: sorry, but I believe ntfs write is unwise, to say the least`
`00:40.02`	`bucky`	`dpkg you are moron #1`
`00:40.02`	`dpkg`	`bucky: what are you talking about?`
`00:40.04`	`xhypno`	`amphi, I have had some success with it`
`00:40.17`	`zepeuga`	`amphi, u're saying that its better to have windows with fat32 ?`
`00:40.17`	`abrotman`	`bucky: !lart dpkg`
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`00:40.20`	`abrotman`	`!u`
`00:40.20`	`dpkg`	`Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not U. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201`
`00:40.23`	`fas3r`	`with iwconfig it's not possible to specify net adress ip?`
`00:40.24`	`waltz`	`ok I'm here abrotman!!!`
`00:40.49`	`abrotman`	`waltz: are you a bot?`
`00:40.58`	`xhypno`	`fas3r, no. iwconfig deals with the wireless net only.`
`00:40.58`	`waltz`	`rawr?`
`00:41.02`	`abrotman`	`waltz: pee on Guerin`
`00:41.04`	`fas3r`	`ok`
`00:41.07`	`waltz`	`abrotman: ok, gdm is installed on my machine`
`00:41.07`	`xhypno`	`fas3r, after you connect to wifi net, use ifconfig to set ip`
`00:41.09`	`golly`	`I'm trying to open files on my debian server from a WinXP machine....it ignores me the first time but lets me the 2nd......why?`
`00:41.14`	`abrotman`	`oh .. he's not a bot :)`
`00:41.16`	`waltz`	`I did 'apt-get install gdm gnome menu' but nothing needed to be changed`
`00:41.20`	`waltz`	`no no I'm not ok`
`00:41.23`	`waltz`	`now listen`
`00:41.27`	`waltz`	`I looked in '/var/log/gdm/' and found errors`
`00:41.31`	`fas3r`	`and for use thcrut its necessary to have specify an ip for interface ?`
`00:41.35`	`waltz`	`/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore/... is missing, and this apparently is crashing gdm`
`00:41.45`	`waltz`	`eof`
`00:41.51`	`xhypno`	`fas3r, not that I have seen`
`00:42.05`	`abrotman`	`waltz: xorg or xfree ?`
`00:42.06`	`golly`	`I'm trying to open files on my debian server from a WinXP machine....it ignores me the first time but lets me the 2nd......why? Is these some network setting I need to apply in WinXP?`
`00:42.09`	`amphi`	`xhypno: that's good`
`00:42.12`	`waltz`	`xfree86 to be exact`
`00:42.24`	`abrotman`	`waltz: look for EE lines in /var/log/XFree86.0.log`
`00:42.38`	`amphi`	`zepeuga: fat32 is the only fs that is well supported by linux and windows AFAIK`
`00:42.39`	`xhypno`	`amphi: not really. The drive faild 2 days later anyways`
`00:42.45`	`waltz`	`what are EE lines?`
`00:42.45`	`amphi`	`xhypno: heheh`
`00:42.55`	`xhypno`	`amphi: at least it wasn't my drive`
`00:42.56`	`amphi`	`waltz: error experience`
`00:43.07`	`waltz`	`aha`
`00:43.13`	`abrotman`	`waltz: ERRERS`
`00:43.14`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
`00:43.19`	`waltz`	`so what should I do?`
`00:43.40`	`abrotman`	`grep EE /var/log/XFree86.0.log`
`00:43.44`	`dvs`	`waltz: Printing the error here would be nice`
`00:43.57`	`waltz`	`I can't...`
`00:44.02`	`abrotman`	`why not ?`
`00:44.21`	`waltz`	`because I have one machine and two harddisks, and to switch OSes I need to rewire the disks`
`00:44.21`	`abrotman`	`if you show the MIT-SCREENSAVER line .. i'll thwack you! :)`
`00:44.33`	`waltz`	`I have no idea what that is :(`
`00:44.33`	`abrotman`	`waltz: you know .. they make bootloaders for that :)`
`00:44.46`	`waltz`	`oh... go on`
`00:44.48`	`Sir_LeChucK`	`is there a way to run more than one apt-get process at the same time ? (some configuration or something)`
`00:44.52`	`abrotman`	`waltz: we really need the EE lines`
`00:44.58`	`abrotman`	`Sir_LeChucK: no .. they lock`
`00:45.00`	`golly`	`I'm trying to open files on my debian server from a WinXP machine....it ignores me the first time but lets me the 2nd......why? Is these some network setting I need to apply in WinXP?`
`00:45.13`	`waltz`	`how do I use a bootloader?`
`00:45.13`	`abrotman`	`Sir_LeChucK: but you can stop it .. append the line and start again`
`00:45.20`	`fbi`	`golly: how many times are you going to repeat that in 5 minutes?`
`00:45.27`	`abrotman`	`waltz: the sarge installer should ahve setup grub for you`
`00:45.44`	`golly`	`fbi: until someone answers`
`00:45.45`	`xhypno`	`Does ifplugd work good with wifi?`
`00:45.49`	`waltz`	`Indeed. So I hook up both harddisks (one as primary, one as slave), right?`
`00:45.57`	`fbi`	`golly: whatever, plonk`
`00:45.57`	`abrotman`	.... Why didn't we make an `apt-secure one-liner` ?
`00:46.04`	`dvs`	`waltz: No both primary. ;-)`
`00:46.05`	`fas3r`	`when i use thcrut it's say Fatal: libnet_open_link_interface: unknown physical layer type 0x322`
`00:46.05`	`fas3r`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:46.09`	`abrotman`	`waltz: that's one way`
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`00:46.29`	`waltz`	`dvs umm are you being sarcastic or not :?`
`00:46.44`	`dvs`	`waltz: Yes, I am. That's what the ;-) is for.`
`00:46.51`	`waltz`	`heh ok`
`00:46.52`	`xhypno`	`fas3r, it looks like an error related to your wifi driver`
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`00:47.01`	`fbi`	`waltz: you can hook them up however you want, slaves or masters, make sure you have the jumpers set accordingly`
`00:47.03`	`golly`	`fbi: isn't that the IRC way?`
`00:47.14`	`abrotman`	`fbi: not really`
`00:47.24`	`abrotman`	`waltz: does windows think it's the primary master ?`
`00:47.28`	`Tortel`	`whats mozillas IRC?`
`00:47.35`	`waltz`	`yes`
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`00:47.39`	`fbi`	`oh, didn't know he had windows on it aleady`
`00:47.41`	`abrotman`	`irc.mozilla.org .. hard to figure out .. we know .. but that's what it is`
`00:47.48`	`fbi`	`s/aleady/already/`
`00:47.56`	`Tortel`	`ty`
`00:48.07`	`waltz`	`fbi windows is on a remote disk`
`00:48.36`	`abrotman`	`remote ?`
`00:48.46`	`fbi`	`ehm. if it's remote, how are you 'rewiring' a remote disk??`
`00:48.50`	`waltz`	`remote/different/separate, what have you`
`00:48.53`	`xhypno`	`Man only 30GB of files and Clam is taking 2 hours to scan them`
`00:49.05`	`waltz`	`sorry bad terminology`
`00:49.10`	`abrotman`	`xhypno: only ...`
`00:49.22`	`xhypno`	`abrotman, Yeah.`
`00:49.31`	`abrotman`	`xhypno: yu're joking .. right ?`
`00:49.37`	`xhypno`	`abrotman, no`
`00:49.46`	`abrotman`	`xhypno: i'd guess it will take 4 hours or more`
`00:49.58`	`xhypno`	`abrotman, lol.`
`00:49.58`	`fbi`	`waltz: whhere is the windows disk on your IDE, right now`
`00:50.20`	`xhypno`	`abrotman, It took 37 hours on a 5.5TB NetApp last week`
`00:50.23`	`abrotman`	`xhypno: i'm not joking`
`00:50.32`	`xhypno`	`abrotman, oh, I know`
`00:51.41`	`fas3r`	`xhypno, do you knox if they are a solution?`
`00:52.00`	`xhypno`	`fas3r, What type of card do you have?`
`00:52.18`	`waltz`	`fbi, the master`
`00:52.18`	`fas3r`	`it's dwl-g650 chipset atheros...`
`00:52.19`	`xhypno`	`abrotman, Brain fart. Where does clam log scans?`
`00:52.30`	`fbi`	`waltz: which master, primary or secondary?`
`00:52.33`	`xhypno`	`What driver are you using?`
`00:52.35`	`xhypno`	`madwifi`
`00:52.36`	`fas3r`	`with madwifi driver`
`00:52.40`	`fas3r`	`yes`
`00:52.50`	`waltz`	`heh, bizzare situation here... Windows is on the ATA HDD, whereas I'm installing Debian on the SATA HDD...`
`00:52.54`	`xhypno`	`read there forums, the only thing that can be done.`
`00:52.59`	`abrotman`	`xhypno: /var/log ?`
`00:53.00`	`waltz`	`fbi: primary`
`00:53.14`	`fas3r`	`the forum of madwifi?`
`00:53.19`	`abrotman`	`!madwifi`
`00:53.19`	`dpkg`	`methinks madwifi is http://www.mattfoster.clara.co.uk/madwifi ,-faq.htm , or http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi , or #madwifi, or to install madwifi drivers built against standard Debian kernel images (sarge/sid only) see '/msg dpkg madwifi-install'`
`00:53.40`	`fbi`	`waltz: it would be wise to leave windows where it is so you don't confuse GRUB`
`00:53.51`	`xhypno`	`abrotman: that is what I thought,`
`00:53.51`	`fas3r`	`ok thank i go to see`
`00:54.00`	`waltz`	`ok, well how about Debian?`
`00:54.05`	`abrotman`	`xhypno: i dont honestly know ..`
`00:54.05`	`xhypno`	`abrotman: but it isn't there. Time to try syslog`
`00:54.09`	`xhypno`	`lol`
`00:54.13`	`fbi`	`waltz: how are you booting debian, you had to have installed a bootloader`
`00:54.39`	`waltz`	`I'm using GRUB on the same HDD which the Debian base system is installed.`
`00:54.45`	`abrotman`	`grub can boot windows`
`00:54.56`	`fbi`	`waltz: GRUB needs to be on the first disk, in your case the windows disk`
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`00:55.02`	`waltz`	`I'm sure it can, but I'm not exactly sure how to get GRUB to recognize Windows.`
`00:55.11`	`waltz`	`Two completely different IDEs.`
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`00:55.26`	`cire`	`is there an easy way to sync my debian machine with a timeserver, and is there a reliable one?`
`00:55.35`	`fbi`	`waltz: the debian installer would have added windows to GRUB for you if you had both disks plugged in during the install`
`00:55.46`	`cire`	`... and if "yes": how (which?)`
`00:55.56`	`omry`	`waltz, you installed grub on the SATA?`
`00:56.05`	`waltz`	`omry precisely`
`00:56.09`	`psychonate`	`I cannot print postscript files at all? Does anyone know how I can fix this? I get no error as far as I can see; however, nothing prints.`
`00:56.12`	`abrotman`	`waltz: you could .. ask us :)`
`00:56.14`	`amphi`	`fbi: install ntpdate`
`00:56.21`	`omry`	`waltz, and setup bios to boot from the SATA, right?`
`00:56.31`	`fbi`	`amphi?`
`00:56.35`	`abrotman`	`cire: ntpdate`
`00:56.36`	`amphi`	`fbi: sorry`
`00:56.38`	`fbi`	`hehe`
`00:56.43`	`waltz`	`BIOS boots from the HDD (none specified in particular)`
`00:56.45`	`amphi`	`fbi: it was for cire`
`00:56.49`	`fbi`	`i aleady have ntpdate installed!`
`00:56.51`	`cire`	`thanks`
`00:56.58`	`psychonate`	`I have tried to print from directly from firefox, and I have tried to print postscript files from GGV; neither works.`
`00:57.01`	`abrotman`	`waltz: if you have both drives plugged in .. which OS boots ?`
`00:57.15`	`waltz`	`abrotman: I haven't tried that yet.`
`00:57.19`	`abrotman`	`you should`
`00:57.47`	`RvGaTe`	`whaaahooo :P`
`00:58.03`	`dvs`	`whhhhhhhhaaa what?`
`00:58.21`	`RvGaTe`	`nothing :)`
`00:58.27`	`abrotman`	`he farted`
`00:58.34`	`dvs`	`ahahahahahaa`
`00:58.52`	`dvs`	`No, that's "whaaaaaaapew"`
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`00:58.59`	`RvGaTe`	`yeah`
`00:59.26`	`Titjeff`	`u juste have to edit menu.lst for grub and add line for windows in hdxx`
`00:59.40`	`abrotman`	`!u`
`00:59.41`	`dpkg`	`Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not U. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201`
`00:59.46`	`fbi`	`Titjeff: that wouldn't really help if GRUB isn't on the correct mbr.`
`01:00.03`	`Titjeff`	`i see :x`
`01:00.07`	`abrotman`	`fbi: too obvious!!!`
`01:00.11`	`fbi`	`aye!`
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`01:00.50`	`RvGaTe`	`abrotman: i would burn it`
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`01:00.58`	`omry`	`lol`
`01:01.01`	`abrotman`	`RvGaTe: CDs are plastic .. don't do that`
`01:01.06`	`abrotman`	`at least recycle them!`
`01:01.19`	`zOrK`	`wish X11 xserver are recommended? Xfree86 or xorg?`
`01:01.27`	`zOrK`	`wich X11 xserver are recommended? Xfree86 or xorg?`
`01:01.29`	`xhypno`	`Anyone need Rack space???`
`01:01.32`	`abrotman`	`zOrK: which version of debian are you using ?`
`01:01.34`	`RvGaTe`	`beleave me, M4ndr4k3 cant be recycled... that disc stay's evil forever`
`01:01.38`	`zOrK`	`abrotman, sarge`
`01:01.48`	`abrotman`	`zOrK: you get xfree`
`01:02.02`	`abrotman`	`xhypno: unless a server comes with it .. no :)`
`01:02.02`	`zOrK`	`wich are more faster??`
`01:02.12`	`abrotman`	`zOrK: you get xfree`
`01:02.16`	`zOrK`	`ok`
`01:02.24`	`xhypno`	`lol. No, I have 12U open in my personal rack right now`
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`01:02.46`	`psychonate`	`Does no one know about printing postscript files? Is anyone able to do so?`
`01:02.58`	`psychonate`	`Someone in another channel said that such problems were distribution-specific.`
`01:03.31`	`kittenbot`	`psychonate: lpr file_you_want_to_print ?`
`01:03.46`	`abrotman`	`xhypno: i have .. a couple mostly empty racks at work :)`
`01:03.53`	`psychonate`	`kittenbot, that has not been working for me unfortunately`
`01:04.02`	`psychonate`	`I get no error either; the file just doesn't print.`
`01:04.17`	`kittenbot`	`psychonate: Can you print anything from anywhere?`
`01:04.25`	`psychonate`	`Yes. I can print fine from ooffice.`
`01:04.42`	`psychonate`	`It does not handle postscript files though as far as I know.`
`01:04.47`	`xhypno`	`abrotman, ahhh. Yeah. we just opened a new datacenter at my work. Moved all production servers there. No me and the rest of dev have the old datacenter to our dev envir`
`01:05.06`	`abrotman`	`xhypno: hehe`
`01:05.16`	`kittenbot`	`psychonate: kghostview file_you_want_to_print ?`
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`01:05.19`	`psychonate`	`oh, nvm, I've been informed that everything that prints in Linux uses postscript`
`01:05.20`	`abrotman`	`xhypno: i have a full size with jsut a 4U .. though i have to put an 8U in there ..`
`01:05.32`	`psychonate`	`in that case, I have no idea why this isn't working`
`01:05.48`	`waltz`	`ok since I'm here now I'm guessing that Windows booted :p`
`01:05.59`	`xhypno`	`abrotman: lol. I know how that is.`
`01:06.00`	`abrotman`	`your windows looks like debian ?`
`01:06.10`	`waltz`	`that would be frightful`
`01:06.12`	`omry`	`waltz, you connected both disks and windows booted?`
`01:06.14`	`dvs`	`abrotman: bite your tougue!`
`01:06.20`	`abrotman`	`xhypno: i just wish i could get rid of all the damn towers`
`01:06.21`	`waltz`	`heh`
`01:06.25`	`waltz`	`omry yep`
`01:06.34`	`omry`	`waltz, tell bios to boot from SATA.`
`01:06.38`	`abrotman`	`no`
`01:06.43`	`abrotman`	`just install grub on the windows drive`
`01:06.44`	`omry`	`and put this in grub menu for windows : title Windows NT/2000/XP map (hd0) (hd1) map (hd1) (hd0) rootnoverify (hd1,0) makeactive chainloader +1 boot`
`01:06.44`	`fbi`	`waltz: you can now chroot into your debian system with an install cd and install GRUB where it needs to be`
`01:06.50`	`xhypno`	`abrotman, I know how that is, The dedicated boxs from my work (all 7k of them) are towers`
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`01:07.10`	`urban`	`hi`
`01:07.15`	`abrotman`	`xhypno: i don't think i have nearly as many as you :)`
`01:07.22`	`waltz`	`I could be wrong, but I think both disks are connected as masters... on primary.`
`01:07.28`	`xhypno`	`lol. not just me, the company I work for`
`01:07.31`	`abrotman`	`xhypno: i just dont' understand why people by stuff that can't be racked for servers`
`01:07.35`	`omry`	`waltz, SATA has no concept of master/slave`
`01:07.36`	`xhypno`	`and all of our customers`
`01:07.36`	`fbi`	`waltz: your system probably wouldn't have booted`
`01:07.42`	`fbi`	`oh yeah, sata`
`01:07.43`	`waltz`	`aha ok then`
`01:07.46`	`xhypno`	`lol. Price!!!`
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`01:08.07`	`abrotman`	`xhypno: we have stuff that would be like a 4 or 6U with SCSI .. the price difference wasn't that much`
`01:08.15`	`omry`	`waltz, first change bios to boot from SATA. come back from Debian.`
`01:08.42`	`waltz`	`omry that would not work`
`01:08.47`	`waltz`	`I have nothing in Debian`
`01:08.47`	`omry`	`waltz, why not?`
`01:08.48`	`fbi`	`uhm, why not just install GRUB on the mbr of the first disk`
`01:08.52`	`waltz`	`<fbi> waltz: you can now chroot into your debian system with an install cd and install GRUB where it needs to be`
`01:08.55`	`waltz`	`^^ how?`
`01:08.56`	`xhypno`	`abrotman: true. At least the majority of the hardcore stuff here is done via 2-4u racks and NetApp 980's for the nfs`
`01:09.07`	`fbi`	`waltz: what installationg media do you have`
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`01:09.26`	`fbi`	`i have to take a call`
`01:09.28`	`waltz`	`cd, http, ftp, ...`
`01:09.35`	`waltz`	`ok take your time`
`01:09.38`	`abrotman`	`xhypno: yeah .. i think i have a few that wouldn't even fit in a rack .. even if i put shelves in`
`01:09.43`	`omry`	`waltz, you installed debian onto the SATA? how did you mess sata boot?`
`01:09.52`	`xhypno`	`lol. I have seen those`
`01:09.57`	`waltz`	`well`
`01:10.14`	`waltz`	`I disconnected the Windows drive when installing the base system`
`01:10.21`	`omry`	`on the sata`
`01:10.32`	`omry`	`and grub on the sata as well?`
`01:10.33`	`abrotman`	`xhypno: the 8U i'm dreading moving again ..`
`01:10.40`	`thingfish`	`that's what I have to do, when I install - disconnect my pata drive.`
`01:10.42`	`waltz`	`yes, everything Debian on the SATA`
`01:11.04`	`omry`	`waltz, thats fine. it should be able to boot just fine if you change bios to boot from sata.`
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`01:11.28`	`waltz`	`...if AwardBIOS even recognizes SATA...`
`01:11.46`	`waltz`	`if not, :(`
`01:11.56`	`omry`	`waltz, how old is your motherboard?`
`01:11.56`	`xhypno`	`abrotman: lol. Don't worry, I fell your pain. The 980's Control unit ways 180lbs`
`01:12.00`	`waltz`	`2001`
`01:12.11`	`waltz`	`chances are it won't`
`01:12.18`	`abrotman`	`xhypno: yeah .. i can move the 8U myself .. but actually positioning it in the rack might get rough :)`
`01:12.26`	`omry`	`waltz, ah, maybe you will need to upgrade the bios flash for it.`
`01:12.27`	`waltz`	`because I had to get a card to be able to connect the sata to the motherboard`
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`01:12.36`	`grelli`	`abrotman: may I suggest a car jack?`
`01:12.42`	`xhypno`	`lol`
`01:12.46`	`omry`	`waltz, in that case it will probably not work.`
`01:12.52`	`omry`	`(not boot from sata)`
`01:12.52`	`abrotman`	`grelli: how bout i use my boss' head ?`
`01:12.54`	`xhypno`	`Yup`
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`01:12.57`	`waltz`	`that's what I figured`
`01:13.14`	`waltz`	`that's not a big problem though`
`01:13.22`	`grelli`	`abrotman: the temptation is to great to be "paged" at just worst moment though`
`01:13.31`	`waltz`	`once I get nix running I probably won't touch anything win for the rest of my life :\|`
`01:13.34`	`grelli`	`hold that please, I'll be right back`
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`01:13.48`	`fbi`	`!waltz++`
`01:13.50`	`grelli`	`waltz: if you manage that, let me know how you did it`
`01:13.53`	`waltz`	`:)`
`01:14.01`	`abrotman`	`waltz: are you in debian now ?`
`01:14.05`	`omry`	`waltz, so your best bet is to try to install grub onto the windows ide. but this is something I never done.`
`01:14.05`	`thingfish`	`I just can't seem to get away from flightsimming. It's the only reason I use windows anymore.`
`01:14.13`	`fbi`	`waltz: use your debian install cd to install grub on the mbr of the first disk (windows)`
`01:14.19`	`fbi`	`i gotta go pick my chick up back ni 15`
`01:14.33`	`abrotman`	`or tell your PC bios not to boot the windows drive ?`
`01:14.46`	`abrotman`	`cause you know .. that'd be the easy way`
`01:14.47`	`psychonate`	`Hmm, lpr won't print and neither will firefox or GGV, both of which use lpr. I get no errors from any of these programs, and nothing significant is in Cups' error log. On the other hand, ooffice prints fine. Does anyone know what the problem could be?`
`01:14.56`	`waltz`	`ok`
`01:15.07`	`waltz`	`abrotman yes I'm on windows right now`
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`01:15.21`	`waltz`	`ok fbi`
`01:15.34`	`waltz`	`(will that work?)`
`01:15.51`	`abrotman`	`will what work ?`
`01:16.09`	`omry`	`waltz, it should, but its a bit risky, if it fails you will have a problem to boot. better prepare yourself a knoppix cd justs in case.`
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`01:16.32`	`waltz`	`sigh oh the trouble`
`01:16.48`	`omry`	`waltz, better safe than unbootable.`
`01:16.52`	`waltz`	`that's not even the main problem...`
`01:17.00`	`waltz`	`I can't start gdm, remember...`
`01:17.06`	`waltz`	`/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore/... is missing`
`01:17.18`	`waltz`	`somehow it never got installed`
`01:17.22`	`waltz`	`y?`
`01:17.25`	`samuel`	`anyone know what gstreamer plugin will do wmv?`
`01:17.26`	`mfrisch`	`waltz init 1`
`01:17.33`	`Phroziac`	`When I initially installed debian again today, it was set up to use gdm, and it had this sweet blue debian wallpaper on it. (for sarge). I'd like to use that on my normal KDE desktop, what would the filename for it be? I can't seem to find it.`
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`01:18.36`	`abrotman`	`waltz: we told you .. we need the EE lines`
`01:18.54`	`waltz`	`crap :/`
`01:19.07`	`xhypno`	`I love it, clam just overwrote /dev/null with a virus and some how killed the box.`
`01:19.28`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
`01:19.38`	`omry`	`waltz, so you can boot into linux or not (at least till the x server fails) ?`
`01:19.55`	`waltz`	`yes, everything but the x server works nicely`
`01:19.58`	`xhypno`	`Thank god for kvm over ip`
`01:20.21`	`omry`	`waltz, how do you boot into the linux? when you only connect the linux hd?`
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`01:21.02`	`waltz`	`I disconnect the power to the ATA, connect the power to the SATA (cable titled "P5"), press the power butten, the current flows... walla.`
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`01:21.23`	`waltz`	`inconvenient, but manageable`
`01:21.27`	`bucky`	`http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/debian.jpg`
`01:21.30`	`waltz`	`managable*`
`01:21.34`	`abrotman`	`waltz: and if they're both plugged in .. windows boots ?`
`01:21.40`	`waltz`	`indeed`
`01:21.44`	`omry`	`waltz, so your bios is capable of booting from the SATA. this means there is a good chance you can make it work even with the windows disk plugged in.`
`01:21.47`	`AlphaUser`	`I have an ASUS A7V8X-X and can't get my onboard sound working. I had it working but was playing with settings trying to get mic input to work, and now it doesn't. A couple weeks ago I blew up my SB Live! and now am working on getting my sound working`
`01:21.49`	`omry`	`dig into your bios boot order.`
`01:22.08`	`omry`	`waltz, maybe your bios things the SATA is scsci.`
`01:22.13`	`omry`	`scsi.`
`01:22.16`	`abrotman`	`bucky: shouldn't there be a picture of some stodgy old woman sitting on a throne ?`
`01:22.24`	`waltz`	`that is a possibility`
`01:22.32`	`bucky`	`i dunno`
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`01:22.49`	`dvs`	`AlphaUser: What sound card are you trying to get working?`
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`01:22.53`	`omry`	`waltz, once your are in debian, you can use a none graphical client for irc if X is not working.`
`01:22.58`	`AlphaUser`	`I was using OSS and onboard sound wasn't working, I installed alsa and sound worked, but my mic did not. As far as I can remember, all I changed was my mixer settings. I can't get any sound now, except very very faint noise now`
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`01:23.11`	`unclemike`	`? What version of kde and gnome does the lasted version of debian come with`
`01:23.17`	`waltz`	`omry, such as?`
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`01:23.36`	`omry`	`waltz, irssi, bitchx.. even telnet.`
`01:23.39`	`dvs`	`AlphaUser: You probably just have to find the amplifier slider.`
`01:23.42`	`abrotman`	`unclemike: sarge comes with gnome2.8 and kde ... 3.3 i think`
`01:23.43`	`AlphaUser`	`I am trying to get onboard sound working (it uses an AD ADI1980 chipset)`
`01:23.45`	`abrotman`	`!info kdebase sarge`
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`01:23.47`	`dpkg`	`kdebase: (KDE Base metapackage), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.2-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 48 kB`
`01:23.56`	`waltz`	`ya`
`01:23.59`	`AlphaUser`	`the amplifier slider has on/off, it's on :(`
`01:24.03`	`scx_`	`* go-god bye guys`
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`01:24.10`	`mud_`	`hello, how do i save sound settings in gnome? volume and pcm are muted and set to 0 when i restart`
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`01:24.19`	`waltz`	`ok I must be off for a bit`
`01:24.20`	`bucky`	`http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/ubuntu.jpg`
`01:24.21`	`dvs`	`AlphaUser: lsmod \| grep snd_`
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`01:24.27`	`waltz`	`thank you for the help, greatly appreciated`
`01:24.35`	`omry`	`np. good luck.`
`01:24.36`	`abrotman`	`bucky: i dont' get it`
`01:24.42`	`thingfish`	`mud_: try alsactl store`
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`01:25.08`	`mud_`	`ok , thanks`
`01:25.15`	`bucky`	`abrotman, i don't either really.. i just found them at DVD Jon's http://nanocrew.net/`
`01:25.33`	`abrotman`	`ok`
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`01:26.02`	`unclemike`	`ook thanks..been useing mandriva...thinking of try6ing debian....How good is debian on a P2...and 384 mb ram`
`01:26.05`	`grelli`	`abrotman: did you see the Warty release of Ubuntu?`
`01:26.06`	`omry`	`waltz, try telnet irc.freenode.net 6667 even from windows, to see how it works.`
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`01:26.22`	`abrotman`	`grelli: yes .. i didn't use it .. but so what ?`
`01:26.29`	`AlphaUser`	`http://pastebin.com/397028 is the output from lsmod \| grep snd_`
`01:26.37`	`grelli`	`the default theme had topless peoples all over it`
`01:26.43`	`abrotman`	`unclemike: should be fine`
`01:26.46`	`grelli`	`and everyone got all upitty`
`01:26.54`	`abrotman`	`grelli: oh .. missed it`
`01:26.56`	`grelli`	`I'm guessing thats what that is supposed to be funny`
`01:27.02`	`AlphaUser`	`I don't understand aliasing and modules much, sorry :(`
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`01:27.37`	`unclemike`	`abrotman: thanks`
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`01:27.43`	`dvs`	`AlphaUser: snd_via82xxx is what your computer is trying to use.`
`01:27.50`	`AlphaUser`	`3 x?`
`01:28.14`	`jkern`	`I am using Debian 2.4.27-2-686. How can I stop autoloading of the agpgart module?`
`01:28.24`	`dvs`	`AlphaUser: Oops. My mistake. Only 2 x's`
`01:28.35`	`AlphaUser`	`I think that's correct`
`01:28.49`	`abrotman`	`!blacklist`
`01:28.50`	`dpkg`	`Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present)`
`01:29.18`	`dvs`	`AlphaUser: I thought that an ADI would use the snd_intel8x0 driver.`
`01:29.22`	`fas3r`	`do you know if thcrut use libnet packet or libnet-dev?`
`01:29.30`	`AlphaUser`	`dvs- it's a via chipset`
`01:29.32`	`AlphaUser`	`dvs-`
`01:29.35`	`AlphaUser`	`oops,`
`01:29.43`	`dvs`	`OK.`
`01:30.18`	`AlphaUser`	`dvs- ALSA tries to use snd-via82xx, OSS tries snd-via82cxxx (I saw this in two places online)`
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`01:30.38`	`cloudysierra`	`I have a question. before you startx and your at command line. What is the term for that. It is not terminal is it?`
`01:30.58`	`mfrisch`	`cli vt`
`01:30.59`	`dvs`	`cloudysierra: Most call it a "console"`
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`01:31.53`	`abrotman`	`dvs: too technical!`
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`01:32.10`	`budreefer`	`hey guys`
`01:32.35`	`mfrisch`	`;-)~`
`01:33.03`	`budreefer`	`so the fedora guys told me im stupid for using FC4 as a server`
`01:33.11`	`budreefer`	`after listening to their arguements i am inclined to agree wit em`
`01:33.13`	`budreefer`	`so.,...`
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`01:33.16`	`budreefer`	`gunna nuke the server`
`01:33.19`	`budreefer`	`and put on.....`
`01:33.21`	`budreefer`	`what?`
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`01:33.25`	`budreefer`	`:)`
`01:33.31`	`dvs`	`budreefer: BSD?`
`01:33.54`	`budreefer`	`they said either debian or centos was good for production server`
`01:34.12`	`budreefer`	`dvs: wats BSD?`
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`01:34.23`	`dvs`	`budreefer: You don't want to know.`
`01:34.27`	`budreefer`	`hehe`
`01:34.28`	`budreefer`	`sure i do`
`01:34.33`	`dvs`	`!bsd`
`01:34.33`	`dpkg`	`read also "bsd license", or a brand of free UNIX clones, freebsd for x86 and sparc64, netbsd for damn near every arch, and openbsd for paranoid people, or 00:48 < beta3> BSD stand for Bull Shit Distribution`
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`01:34.43`	`budreefer`	`hehe`
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`01:34.55`	`poonj`	`hey guys`
`01:35.06`	`poonj`	`anyone here get a debian installer that supports SATA?`
`01:35.13`	`luddite`	`hey fellas, where can I find a good howto on xorg and setting up my screen resolution appropriately.. my screen stays at 1024x768 i'm hoping for much more`
`01:35.21`	`abrotman`	`!drxx luddite`
`01:35.22`	`dpkg`	`luddite: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) \|\| if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5>`
`01:35.39`	`abrotman`	`poonj: the sarge installer does`
`01:35.44`	`budreefer`	`drool nice bot guys`
`01:35.46`	`abrotman`	`poonj: which SATA controller`
`01:36.05`	`poonj`	`let me see`
`01:36.48`	`AlphaUser`	`ok I have sound again`
`01:36.58`	`dvs`	`AlphaUser: What did you do?`
`01:37.00`	`AlphaUser`	`VIA DXS volume control was down >_<`
`01:37.14`	`dvs`	`!smack AlphaUser`
`01:37.31`	`omry`	`how come newly installed machines never get sound out of the box? why doesn't setup run alsaconf`
`01:37.32`	`omry`	`?`
`01:37.35`	`poonj`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:37.36`	`AlphaUser`	`sound in linux has always been significantly quieter than windows though, I can't seem to get it up to the same volume level :(`
`01:37.39`	`luddite`	`thanks abrotman`
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`01:37.48`	`fbi`	`omry: probably because Sarge comes with OSS`
`01:38.01`	`abrotman`	`poonj: sarge should work`
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`01:38.07`	`dvs`	`fbi: Huh? It comes with ALSA too.`
`01:38.09`	`abrotman`	`fbi: did you smack the woman aorund?!`
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`01:38.13`	`poonj`	`is there a net install for sarge?`
`01:38.15`	`fbi`	`dvs: it does?`
`01:38.18`	`abrotman`	`fbi: you were gone a long time`
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`01:38.20`	`dvs`	`fbi: Yes`
`01:38.20`	`abrotman`	`!d-i pon`
`01:38.20`	Dasnipa`	`what is the deb opengl package`
`01:38.21`	`dpkg`	`pon, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's.`
`01:38.23`	`abrotman`	`!d-i poonj`
`01:38.24`	`dpkg`	`poonj, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's.`
`01:38.25`	`abrotman`	`!ig`
`01:38.25`	`dpkg`	`from memory, ig is the install guide for stable: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for woody (oldstable): http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual`
`01:38.28`	`omry`	`fbi, so one would expect that the sound would work via OSS. I installed debian more than a few times on several different configurations, and never did the sound worked right away.`
`01:38.29`	`fbi`	`abrotman: no, the smacking is of rafter dinner`
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`01:38.39`	`abrotman`	`fbi: ok`
`01:38.55`	`fbi`	`omry: i have _never_ had a problem with sound, after installing Sareg`
`01:39.02`	`fbi`	`s/Sareg/Sarge/`
`01:39.05`	`fas3r`	`do you know if thcrut use libnet or libnet-dev?`
`01:39.12`	`fbi`	`OSS always works right off the bat`
`01:39.36`	`abrotman`	`!depends thcrut`
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`01:39.55`	`abrotman`	`fbi: unless you want advanced sound`
`01:39.58`	`abrotman`	`Piggy: wb`
`01:39.59`	`fbi`	`dvs: why is that you have to install alsa-base after a net-install ?`
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`01:40.17`	`dvs`	`fbi: I don't know. I didn't make the rules.`
`01:40.20`	`fbi`	`dvs`
`01:40.25`	`omry`	`fbi, for starters the first user is never in audio group. besides that, it never worked for me before setting up alsa. (on several sound cards).`
`01:40.32`	`poonj`	`abrotman, is there an issue about SATA with CDROMs?`
`01:40.32`	`fbi`	`sarge doesn't come with alsa`
`01:40.36`	`waltz`	`ok back`
`01:40.36`	`mfrisch`	`fbi you need sound for a net install?`
`01:40.37`	`abrotman`	`poonj: linux26`
`01:40.46`	`fbi`	`it comes with a kernel that has alsa modules, if you install the 2.6`
`01:40.50`	`poonj`	`okay, so linux 2.6 should support it well`
`01:40.51`	`waltz`	`omry, telnet does not work with irc under windows`
`01:41.05`	`dvs`	`fbi: There are 2.4 alsa modules as well.`
`01:41.16`	`dvs`	`fbi: and sarge has alsa-utils`
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`01:41.22`	`dvs`	`!info alsa-utils sarge`
`01:41.23`	`dpkg`	`alsa-utils: (ALSA utilities), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.0.8-4 (sarge), Packaged size: 142 kB, Installed size: 412 kB`
`01:41.24`	`fbi`	`</sigh>`
`01:41.41`	`omry`	`waltz, you get ERROR :Closing Link: 127.0.0.1 (Connection Timed Out)? I get it on Debian as well.`
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`01:42.04`	`waltz`	`yes, because telnet does not send the appropriate commands to the server`
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`01:42.11`	`waltz`	`such as USER and NICK and so forth`
`01:42.29`	`waltz`	`And I've never used Irssi or BitchX`
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`01:42.31`	`waltz`	`or XChat`
`01:42.44`	`omry`	`waltz, you can normally send it (just nick), but something is strange. anyway, I find bitchx really easy.`
`01:42.52`	`omry`	`apt-get it when you are in debian.`
`01:43.04`	`omry`	you`ll be fine with it.
`01:43.09`	`waltz`	`'apt-get install bitchx' right?`
`01:43.12`	`abrotman`	`waltz: so learn`
`01:43.14`	`abrotman`	`no`
`01:43.16`	`abrotman`	`use irssi`
`01:43.19`	`abrotman`	`use irssi-text`
`01:43.19`	`waltz`	`:o`
`01:43.31`	`mfrisch`	`no bitchx`
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`01:43.36`	`omry`	`waltz, try which ever works for you.`
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`01:43.50`	`omry`	`I suggest you start with bitchx :)`
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`01:44.02`	`abrotman`	`no way`
`01:44.06`	`abrotman`	`use irssi-text`
`01:44.13`	`waltz`	`how do I install/use irssi-text?`
`01:44.15`	`abrotman`	`bitchx is .. stupidx`
`01:44.21`	`abrotman`	`waltz: apt-get install irssi-text`
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`01:44.35`	`waltz`	`same with xchat... 'apt-get install xchat'?`
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`01:44.54`	`jetblack`	`does anybody know if the madwifi drivers are in the minimal install cd?>`
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`01:45.16`	`zarel`	`Question. How do I access an NTFS partition on this hard drive?`
`01:45.21`	`abrotman`	`jetblack: no they are not`
`01:45.23`	`omry`	`waltz, 'apt-cache search irc text client' will give you a nice selection to try.`
`01:45.25`	`abrotman`	`!madwifi install`
`01:45.25`	`dpkg`	`hmm... madwifi-install is to install madwifi drivers built against the Debian standard kernel builds for sarge/sid, add "deb http://debian.isg.ee.ethz.ch/public sarge madwifi" to /etc/apt/sources.list, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant madwifi-source kernel-headers-$(uname -r)" then: "m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. may not work for sid`
`01:45.33`	`thingfish`	`zarel: define it in /etc/fstab and mount it.`
`01:45.40`	`jetblack`	`abrotman, are they in any of the install cds?`
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`01:45.42`	`Zarel`	`thingfish: How do I do that?`
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`01:45.51`	`abrotman`	`jetblack: not for debian .. they're not truly free`
`01:46.15`	`thingfish`	`Zarel: well...man fstab for one.`
`01:46.25`	`jetblack`	`abrotman, you mean because of the closed ath_hal module?`
`01:46.26`	`thingfish`	`hehe abrotman`
`01:46.36`	`abrotman`	`jetblack: yes`
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`01:48.11`	`alexscott`	`bn`
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`01:48.28`	`jordo23`	`What's the debian default directory for smb.conf file?`
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`01:48.54`	`dvs`	`!find smb.conf sarge`
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`01:50.11`	`stew`	`jordo23: /etc/samba`
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`01:50.36`	`Zarel`	`Okay, so, what do I put in the "file system" column?`
`01:50.45`	`thingfish`	`Zarel: ntfs`
`01:51.01`	`Zarel`	`But that's what I put in the "type" column.`
`01:51.03`	`thingfish`	`then you probably want ro, user, umask=022 0 0`
`01:51.10`	`budreefer`	`what happens if u just try and mount without modding fstab?`
`01:51.15`	`Zarel`	`File system is like "proc" or "/dev/hda3"`
`01:51.36`	`budreefer`	`or fstab is to automount on boot`
`01:51.44`	`dpkg`	`Debian Search of 'smb.conf' (5 of 8): (/usr/share/samba/smb.conf) in net/samba-common ;; (/usr/share/samba/swat/help/smb.conf.5.html) in net/swat ;; (/usr/share/doc/linpopup/examples/smb.conf) in net/linpopup ;; (/usr/share/samba-doc-ja/html/smb.conf.5.html) in doc/samba-doc-ja ;; (/usr/share/doc/gosa/contrib/altlinux/etc/samba/smb.conf) in web/gosa.`
`01:51.45`	`thingfish`	`you want something like /dev/xdx /mnt/wherever ntfs ro,user,umask=022 0 0`
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`01:52.11`	`omry`	`budreefer, it mounts, but its lost after boot. fstab entries are automounted on boot.`
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`01:52.17`	`thingfish`	`budreefer: try it and see.`
`01:52.19`	`budreefer`	`nice`
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`01:52.38`	`budreefer`	`thingfish i did :) yay my C: drive`
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`01:52.45`	`thingfish`	`yay`
`01:52.48`	`budreefer`	`hehe`
`01:52.54`	`budreefer`	`format c:`
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`01:53.38`	`Zarel`	`How do I get to my C: drive? That would be my question.`
`01:53.50`	`Zarel`	`And reading the fstab man pages aren't helping.`
`01:53.56`	`Zarel`	`isn't*`
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`01:54.08`	`fbi`	`Zarel: you mount it, then cd to the mount point where you mounted it.`
`01:54.19`	`budreefer`	`Zarel: u need to know what partition the C: is`
`01:54.30`	`dvs`	`Zarel: You just missed the answer that budreefer got`
`01:54.38`	`funky`	`Hello, i am a slackware user and need to change the settings on a debian installation so that the cups server does start after every reboot. But i am not familiar with the Debian boot process, can someone tell me where i can set these thing up?`
`01:54.53`	`budreefer`	`dvs: i dun think he knows how to mount tho`
`01:55.25`	`thingfish`	`Zarel: do fdisk -l and it'll tell you what you need to know.`
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`01:56.22`	`abrotman`	`funky: update-rc.d`
`01:56.34`	`xhypno`	`What command could be used to recreate /dev/null`
`01:56.44`	`xhypno`	`I can't get it with mknod`
`01:56.45`	`dvs`	`xhypno: MAKEDEF null`
`01:56.48`	`budreefer`	`Zarel: you are looking for the partition with an NTFS filesystem. it's probably hda1`
`01:56.53`	`abrotman`	`xhypno: reboot ?`
`01:56.54`	`dvs`	`xhypno: MAKEDEV null in the /dev directory`
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`01:57.05`	`xhypno`	`reboot didn't do it`
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`01:57.21`	`funky`	`abrotman: ok, how do i use this command to set the cups server up?`
`01:57.42`	`abrotman`	`funky: man update-rc.d ?`
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`01:57.48`	`budreefer`	`:)`
`01:57.48`	`ratonn`	`argh, i was disconnected. did i miss any replies to my question?`
`01:57.50`	`abrotman`	`!update-rc.d`
`01:57.50`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, update-rc.d is used to manipulate what's loaded when a system boots up. Also use it instead of deleting symlinks by hand Example to add: 'update-rc.d dhcpd defaults 90'. Example to remove: 'update-rc.d -f dhcpd remove', or read "man update-rc.d" for a good intro to Debian's boot process`
`01:58.00`	`abrotman`	`ratonn: tons!`
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`01:58.13`	`dvs`	`ratonn: I know the meaning of life now!`
`01:58.24`	`ratonn`	`:P`
`01:58.36`	`xhypno`	`ok, I think MAKEDEV did it`
`01:58.54`	`abrotman`	`dvs: 3 ?`
`01:59.04`	`ratonn`	`anyone?`
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`01:59.10`	`fbi`	`!anyone`
`01:59.10`	`dpkg`	`Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>`
`01:59.16`	`dvs`	`abrotman: Shoot! I just forgot it now. Damn!`
`01:59.18`	`funky`	`dpkg & abrotman: ok, thank you i will read the man pages of update-rc.d`
`01:59.23`	`ratonn`	`is ide1(22,2) not hdc?`
`01:59.32`	`abrotman`	`dpkg: you're the best`
`01:59.33`	`dpkg`	`la la la la .... I did it myyyyyyyyy wayyy ... cof cof ...`
`01:59.46`	`fbi`	`dpkg: you're a slut`
`01:59.50`	`fbi`	`yay`
`01:59.52`	`budreefer`	`hehe`
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`02:00.02`	`fbi`	`no response means dpkg knows i am right.`
`02:00.05`	`budreefer`	`Zarel: did u die of confusion?`
`02:00.10`	`abrotman`	`dpkg: slut`
`02:00.10`	`dpkg`	`hmm... slut is a loose person (figuratively speaking, of course) who has sex for the simple reason of having sex, or a term used by a prude to describe a normal person`
`02:00.11`	`abrotman`	`see`
`02:00.12`	Dasnipa`	`!opengl`
`02:00.13`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that opengl is (Open Graphics Language) This is a 3D graphics API developed by Silicon Graphics., but at http://www.eecs.tulane.edu/www/Terry/OpenGL/Introduction.html. There is also a free implementation for it, ask me about mesa`
`02:00.18`	`fbi`	`abrotman: die!`
`02:00.18`	`abrotman`	`fbi: you just don't know how to sass the bot :)`
`02:00.25`	`fbi`	`pfffft`
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`02:00.40`	`ratonn`	`!ide1(22,2)`
`02:01.05`	`fbi`	`i used to cyber dpkg before i found out she was married!`
`02:01.27`	`xhypno`	`THANK GOD FOR KVM OVR IP!!!!! <----- JUMPS FOR JOY!!!`
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`02:01.38`	`ratonn`	`anyone know what drive ide1(22,2) is?`
`02:01.50`	`abrotman`	`are you sure it's 22,2 ?`
`02:01.55`	`abrotman`	`ratonn: is this with grub ?`
`02:02.10`	`ratonn`	`no, ext3-fs error`
`02:02.16`	`ratonn`	`EXT3-fs error (device ide1(22,2)): ext3_readdir: directory #3801095 contains a hole at offset 471040`
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`02:02.37`	`fbi`	`ratonn: where are you seeing this error?`
`02:02.42`	`ratonn`	`dmesg`
`02:03.00`	`ratonn`	`system is running funny... mysql giving errors, missing debian welcome message`
`02:03.18`	`abrotman`	`drive is dying`
`02:03.20`	`abrotman`	`?`
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`02:03.31`	`ratonn`	`i took it out of the array`
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`02:03.38`	`ratonn`	`so it's not even being accessed`
`02:03.42`	`ratonn`	`and errors continue`
`02:04.38`	`abrotman`	`!bust fbi`
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`02:05.17`	`fbi`	`dammit not now i haven't stashed my crack pipe!`
`02:05.28`	`ratonn`	`abrotman: what do you make of it?`
`02:05.36`	`abrotman`	`ratonn: ask the kernel guys`
`02:05.52`	`fbi`	`ratonn: just curious, are you running 22 hard disks?`
`02:05.53`	`abrotman`	`at least .. that's what i would do`
`02:06.07`	`ratonn`	`nope`
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`02:06.10`	`ratonn`	`5`
`02:06.21`	`fbi`	`close enough.`
`02:06.53`	`ratonn`	`hopefully there'll be someone active in #kernel`
`02:06.54`	`ratonn`	`:P`
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`02:07.16`	`walterbrunswick`	`omgash!`
`02:07.45`	`waltz`	`hi`
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`02:07.56`	`waltz`	`abrotman: :)`
`02:08.05`	`waltz`	`irssi-text is absolutely beautiful!`
`02:08.07`	`FuGuSha`	`hi ima n00b can someone help me`
`02:08.08`	`abrotman`	`i blame religion`
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`02:08.10`	`abrotman`	`oh .. ok`
`02:08.13`	`abrotman`	`it's a good thing!`
`02:08.15`	`fbi`	`jackass.`
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`02:08.22`	`waltz`	`I'm teary-eyed lol`
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`02:08.38`	`waltz`	`ok`
`02:08.41`	`waltz`	`okokok`
`02:08.52`	`budreefer`	`salmon_ wat u need help with?`
`02:08.56`	`waltz`	`how do I get the EE lines?`
`02:09.18`	`abrotman`	`waltz: grep EE /var/log/XFree86.0.log`
`02:09.23`	`salmon_`	`budreefer`
`02:09.26`	`salmon_`	`i installed debian`
`02:09.27`	`waltz`	`then what?`
`02:09.30`	`salmon_`	`of web and like`
`02:09.34`	`salmon_`	`i accidentally`
`02:09.37`	`abrotman`	`waltz: tell us ?`
`02:09.38`	`salmon_`	`chose too high a resoltuion`
`02:09.41`	`salmon_`	`for the gui`
`02:09.44`	`salmon_`	`now it reboots`
`02:09.46`	`budreefer`	`gulp`
`02:09.49`	`fbi`	`salmon_: stop hitting Enter every three words`
`02:09.54`	`salmon_`	`and my monitor says out or range`
`02:09.54`	`abrotman`	`fbi`
`02:09.55`	`abrotman`	`w`
`02:09.56`	`abrotman`	`h`
`02:09.57`	`abrotman`	`y`
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`02:10.01`	`budreefer`	`hehe`
`02:10.03`	`fbi`	`like i said`
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`02:10.04`	`fbi`	`jackass.`
`02:10.06`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
`02:10.12`	`waltz`	`how do I switch from irssi-text to bash?`
`02:10.13`	`salmon_`	`so im like now having any idea wtf to do`
`02:10.16`	`fbi`	`!punish abrotman`
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`02:10.24`	`abrotman`	`waltz: ctrl-alt-f2`
`02:10.31`	`waltz`	`and to get back?`
`02:10.31`	`budreefer`	`salmon_ switch to another console`
`02:10.37`	`abrotman`	`waltz: ctrl-alt-f1`
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`02:10.44`	`waltz`	`will do`
`02:10.52`	`fbi`	`wait, i thought waltz had a bootloader problem, now he can't start X?`
`02:10.52`	`salmon_`	`budreefer how do i do that`
`02:11.05`	`budreefer`	`look above they just put it up`
`02:11.08`	`budreefer`	`CTRL-ALT-F2`
`02:11.10`	`budreefer`	`and then to get back`
`02:11.13`	`budreefer`	`CTRL-ALT-F1`
`02:11.22`	`waltz`	`ok`
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`02:11.58`	`salmon_`	`hmm`
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`02:12.08`	`salmon_`	`still says out of range`
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`02:12.43`	`budreefer`	`salmon_ hmmm....you should be able to get another console up with standard screen graphics mode...try CTRL-ALT other Fkeys`
`02:12.50`	`waltz`	`how do I copy/paste?`
`02:13.05`	`abrotman`	`waltz: you can give us the gist hopefully`
`02:13.18`	`salmon_`	`budreefer ok so after i get it....`
`02:13.18`	`fbi`	`isn't there an /exec -out command in irssi?`
`02:13.20`	`salmon_`	`how do i go about`
`02:13.22`	`abrotman`	`there is`
`02:13.23`	`salmon_`	`reconfiguring`
`02:13.25`	`salmon_`	`the display`
`02:13.29`	`abrotman`	`waltz: /j #flood`
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`02:14.00`	`treyh0`	`does steve kemp ever get on irc?`
`02:14.04`	`budreefer`	`salmon_ login and look in /etc/X11`
`02:14.08`	`fbi`	`he should be able to do it in here with grep, unless he has tons of (EE)s`
`02:14.13`	`abrotman`	`treyh0: ask him ?`
`02:14.18`	`treyh0`	`the debian-administration.org ruler of elite websites`
`02:14.23`	`abrotman`	`fbi: most have .. 2-3 at least`
`02:14.26`	`treyh0`	`abrotman: nah everyone always ignores my email`
`02:14.39`	`fbi`	`yeah, isn't 3 lines safe in hee?`
`02:14.39`	`treyh0`	`whenever i give them patches or whatever.`
`02:14.42`	`fbi`	`s/hee/here/`
`02:14.43`	`treyh0`	`they are too busy for me`
`02:14.52`	`treyh0`	`i am just a lowly user`
`02:14.52`	`fbi`	`i thought it was 4 lines and a kick`
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`02:15.41`	`ratonn`	`abrotman: #kernel is dead... where would i find out what ide1(22,2) is?`
`02:15.47`	`abrotman`	`##kernel`
`02:15.59`	`abrotman`	`<waltz> (EE) Unable to find a valid framebuffer device`
`02:16.07`	`abrotman`	`waltz: did you tell X that you wanted to use framebuffer?`
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`02:16.23`	`abrotman`	`(does X ask that?)`
`02:16.26`	`waltz`	`yes`
`02:16.30`	`waltz`	`in the base-config options`
`02:16.51`	`abrotman`	`waltz: you don't want frame buffer`
`02:16.59`	`fbi`	`ratonn: 144,000 search results for 'ide1(22,2)' on Google.`
`02:17.08`	`waltz`	`ok...`
`02:17.21`	`waltz`	`that's it?`
`02:18.15`	`abrotman`	`waltz: hopefully`
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`02:18.27`	`abrotman`	`fbi: why didn't you read them all ?`
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`02:19.14`	`Mikeee`	`hey`
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`02:19.24`	`Mikeee`	`anyone inte vServers using debian`
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`02:19.40`	`waltz`	`abrotman: Any way to disable the option?`
`02:19.45`	`ratonn`	`abrotman: if /dev/hdc is ide1(22,2) and it's not being accessed, how come error msgs continue?`
`02:19.57`	`abrotman`	`!drxx waltz`
`02:19.58`	`dpkg`	`waltz: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) \|\| if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5>`
`02:20.18`	`abrotman`	`ratonn: because hdc isn't ide1(22,2) ?`
`02:20.21`	`Mikeee`	`i set up one on my mashine, but i need some automatism to open up like 10 in few minutes`
`02:20.41`	`ratonn`	`abrotman: i'm going through google pages and not finding any reference`
`02:20.54`	`abrotman`	`ratonn: ask fbi .. he read all of them`
`02:21.17`	`abrotman`	`Mikeee: what kind of vservers?`
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`02:22.09`	`trogger`	`has anybody successfully run windows xp in vmware on debian?`
`02:22.20`	`treyh0`	`trogger: yep`
`02:22.24`	`Mikeee`	`i thoght like the customers have their own shell and some hdd space ssh access`
`02:22.29`	`wOOt`	`yep xD`
`02:22.40`	`trogger`	`treyh0: is it a nuisance to install, seeing as it only supports red hat?`
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`02:22.53`	`amphi`	`trogger: I've run plan 9 under qemu, if that's any help`
`02:22.53`	`treyh0`	`trogger: what version of vmware? 4.5 and 5.0 were no problem whatsoever`
`02:23.14`	`wOOt`	`alien the rpm to deb`
`02:23.14`	`treyh0`	`trogger: choose Windows and select Windows XP as host environment`
`02:23.25`	`Mikeee`	`so they can install programs like irc clients or some webpages etc`
`02:23.40`	`treyh0`	`attn: no poking fun of me cause i have had to run windows`
`02:23.43`	`trogger`	`I want to run workstation 5 with debian as the host system`
`02:24.01`	`trogger`	`treyh0: what do you mean choose windows / windows xp as host?`
`02:24.04`	`treyh0`	`trogger: i thought u wanted to run xp?`
`02:24.16`	`trogger`	`treyh0: yes, which will be debian is the host won't it?`
`02:24.23`	`trogger`	`treyh0: correct me if I'm wrong`
`02:24.32`	`treyh0`	`whatever the terminology is`
`02:24.42`	`treyh0`	`i'm not sshing in to a server to see the correct terms`
`02:24.52`	`treyh0`	`when you make a new "image"`
`02:25.03`	`treyh0`	`choose custom and u can choose the OS and type`
`02:25.08`	`trogger`	`ah great, thanks treyh0, wOOt`
`02:25.26`	`wOOt`	`np :)`
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`02:26.06`	`waltz`	`ok`
`02:26.15`	`waltz`	`everything seems to be going smoothly (so far)...`
`02:26.25`	`waltz`	`what is the standard for the mouse input?`
`02:26.29`	`fas3r`	`do you know if nmap use libnet library?`
`02:26.35`	`waltz`	`dev/input/mice, right?`
`02:26.51`	`MrP`	`I'm having problem starting pcmcia, what would cause this error? Starting PCMCIA services...modprobe: Can't locate module yenta_socket`
`02:27.08`	`amphi`	`fas3r: not according to ldd here`
`02:27.09`	`abrotman`	`!depends nmap`
`02:27.14`	`dpkg`	`nmap: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.1), libpcre3 (>= 4.5), libssl0.9.8, libstdc++6 (>= 4.0.2)`
`02:27.43`	`fas3r`	`MrP have you charge the yenta_socket ?`
`02:27.52`	`fas3r`	`see with modprobe`
`02:27.56`	`fas3r`	`no ..`
`02:27.58`	`fas3r`	`modconf`
`02:28.00`	`fas3r`	`sorry`
`02:28.10`	`MrP`	`What do you mean?`
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`02:29.08`	`fas3r`	`make lsmod and look if you see yenta_socket`
`02:29.20`	`MrP`	`Nope`
`02:29.40`	`fas3r`	`id you don't see it run modconf for charge the modules yenta_socket`
`02:29.50`	`MrP`	`It worked earlier today, and then i restarted it and it came up with that error`
`02:30.34`	`waltz`	`abrotman: Should I allow the xxt module to be loaded as part of the XFree86 modules?`
`02:31.08`	`waltz`	`??`
`02:31.24`	`waltz`	`anyone?`
`02:31.36`	`MrP`	`fas3r, what module category does it fall under though? lol`
`02:31.39`	`xixor`	`anywhoo?`
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`02:31.44`	`abrotman`	`waltz: sure ...w hy not`
`02:31.56`	`waltz`	`ok just making absolutely sure`
`02:31.58`	`fas3r`	`i think where they are pcmcia name`
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`02:33.59`	`ratonn`	`mmm`
`02:34.07`	`ratonn`	`e2fsck says /dev/hdc2 is mounted.`
`02:34.12`	`abrotman`	`eheh`
`02:34.15`	`MrP`	`fas3r, I looked at this earlier and didn't see any pcmcia or yento_socket in it`
`02:34.19`	`ratonn`	`it doesn't show up on # mount`
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`02:34.26`	`ratonn`	`and it's not in /proc/mdstat`
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`02:34.33`	`ratonn`	`active raid1 hda2[0]`
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`02:37.47`	Dasnipa`	`Video initialization failed: No available video device anyone know why i get that message anytime i try to run anything that has a differant video mode?`
`02:37.50`	`abrotman`	`!kubuntu`
`02:37.51`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, kubuntu is ubuntu with kde instead of gnome, or #Kubuntu`
`02:37.59`	Dasnipa`	`i have the nvidia driver installed correctly`
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`02:38.23`	`chou-chou`	`this isnt necessarily debian related.. but i know some of you are smart :) i recently found out one of my servers had partially caught on fire, the video card is partially melted away, the mobo has black scorches and a few fried capacitors.. question is.. what is a suggested way to test the other hardware components.. ie drives, and ide controllers in a diff pc to verify if they were harmed or not?`
`02:39.09`	`chou-chou`	`bonnie?`
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`02:39.24`	`abrotman`	`chou-chou: #hardware`
`02:39.39`	`fas3r`	`!depends thcrut`
`02:39.56`	`chou-chou`	`abrotman: ok.`
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`02:39.58`	`fas3r`	`!depends libnet`
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`02:40.53`	`MrP`	`fas3r, any other ideas on what yenta_socket might be under? pcmcia and yenta_socket do no appear on modconf :/`
`02:41.29`	`abrotman`	`MrP: updatedb;locate yenta`
`02:41.33`	`abrotman`	`!find yenta sarge`
`02:41.40`	`dpkg`	`Debian Search of 'yenta' (3 of 27): (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-k7/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/yenta_socket.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/yenta_socket.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/yenta_socket.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686.`
`02:41.43`	`MrP`	`abrotman: Already tried`
`02:41.54`	`abrotman`	`MrP: can you modprobe it ?`
`02:41.58`	`MrP`	`nope`
`02:42.03`	`abrotman`	`then it's not there?`
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`02:42.39`	`MrP`	`does modconf only list ones that are on the system, and not ones that it could download? i havent looked at the information about modconf much`
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`02:43.22`	`abrotman`	`MrP: uname -a`
`02:43.27`	`nvz`	`MrP: modconf cant download anything`
`02:43.52`	`nvz`	`MrP: it only lists modules in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/`
`02:44.03`	`abrotman`	`MrP: uname -a`
`02:44.04`	`MrP`	`abrotman, 2.4.26-1-386`
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`02:44.56`	`abrotman`	`MrP: for starters .. your kernel is out of date`
`02:45.06`	`abrotman`	`kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.4.27-2-386: lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/yenta_socket.o`
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`02:45.11`	`abrotman`	`!win me`
`02:45.11`	`jeff01`	`can someone give me a hand with proftpd? the only thing i changed in the .conf file was from inetd to standalone, and now it stalls when i try to access it from another computer`
`02:45.11`	`dpkg`	`Congratulations, abrotman! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!`
`02:45.12`	`MrP`	`abrotman, I haven't been on debian for almost a year, I remember there was an easy way to upgrade the kernel, but I have forgotten the steps. any link to the steps?`
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`02:45.26`	`abrotman`	`MrP: apt-get install kernel-image-2.4-386`
`02:45.52`	`DB7654321`	`I'm having some trouble with bind9 on a box running sarge... Bind isn't listening on 953, so rndc isn't able to connect. Are there any configuration directives that control this?`
`02:46.10`	`abrotman`	`#dns`
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`02:47.16`	`fas3r`	`good night all`
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`02:47.21`	`abrotman`	`MrP: find it ?`
`02:47.47`	`*** part/#debian fas3r (n=fas3r@ARouen-152-1-80-155.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr)`
`02:48.11`	`MrP`	`abrotman, going now, got tied up for a second`
`02:48.23`	`abrotman`	`goingwhere?`
`02:48.40`	`Gnea`	`to the store`
`02:48.42`	`treyh0`	`good night fas3r :(`
`02:49.05`	`MrP`	`abrotman, downloaded/installed the kernel image`
`02:49.07`	`Gnea`	`wtf`
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`02:49.34`	`abrotman`	`oh`
`02:49.47`	`abrotman`	`Gnea: htf!`
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`02:50.01`	`abrotman`	`Heat The Fudge!`
`02:50.24`	`Gnea`	`Melt The Cheese!`
`02:50.35`	`*** part/#debian Constantine_T_ (i=IRONCOW@69-163-12-238.kntnny.adelphia.net)`
`02:50.47`	`abrotman`	`let's make poutine!`
`02:51.03`	`Gnea`	`with lemons`
`02:51.20`	`Gnea`	`and beer`
`02:51.25`	`abrotman`	`!poutine`
`02:51.25`	`dpkg`	`http://www.xavinho.online.fr/travels/america/montreal/poutine.jpg or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poutine`
`02:51.36`	`stew`	`ew`
`02:51.36`	`Xenguy`	`!beer Xenguy`
`02:51.42`	`Xenguy`	`yes!`
`02:51.55`	`stew`	`it's even spelled correctly!`
`02:51.59`	`abrotman`	`stew: look .. dondelelcaro fixed it!!!`
`02:52.04`	`Gnea`	`uh`
`02:52.48`	`MrP`	`is there a tutorial/writeup on upgrading debian kernels?`
`02:52.56`	`abrotman`	`man apt-get ?`
`02:53.05`	`abrotman`	`Gnea: pitine!`
`02:53.10`	`abrotman`	`err poutine`
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`02:55.25`	`Gnea`	`MrP: it's quite simple: apt-get install kernel-image-<version>, then reboot. these days, it automagically adds an entry to the grub boot menu list`
`02:55.49`	`Gnea`	`abrotman: damn that actually looks yummy`
`02:56.17`	`abrotman`	`Gnea: talk to SimonRaven about it`
`02:56.30`	`Gnea`	`abrotman: oh i will.`
`02:56.42`	`abrotman`	`cheal might know too`
`02:57.26`	`abrotman`	`and get a dictionary?`
`02:57.33`	`stew`	`that looks like a good way to ruin perfectly good fries`
`02:57.45`	`abrotman`	`i was worried about damaging the cheese :)`
`02:57.47`	`MrP`	`Gnea, wow, that is MUCH easier than I remember :)`
`02:57.49`	`Supaplex`	`modprobe is giving me a segmentation fault. is there any point in installing gdb to debug this?`
`02:57.54`	`Gnea`	`dictionary bitcionary`
`02:58.07`	`Gnea`	`MrP: much has changed :)`
`02:58.10`	`MrP`	`Is there a suggested version that people recommend, or just grab the newest 2.6 :)`
`02:58.21`	`abrotman`	`MrP: what kind of CPU ?`
`02:58.30`	`Gnea`	`i always use the latest 2.6, especially on newer hardware`
`02:58.46`	`Gnea`	`even on older hardware there's a slight speedup`
`02:58.54`	`MrP`	`abrotman, um, 2.0 Celeron (cheap laptop)`
`02:59.02`	`Gnea`	`MrP: yeah, get a 2.6`
`02:59.13`	`abrotman`	`MrP: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686`
`02:59.29`	`Gnea`	`i think it's kernel-image-2.6.8-686`
`02:59.58`	`abrotman`	`no ..`
`03:00.00`	`abrotman`	`i got it right`
`03:00.09`	`abrotman`	`!info kernel-image-2.6-686`
`03:00.11`	`abrotman`	`err`
`03:00.12`	`dpkg`	`kernel-image-2.6-686: (Linux kernel 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 machines - transition package), section base, is extra. Version: 1:2.6.12-10 (sid), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 36 kB`
`03:00.13`	`abrotman`	`!info kernel-image-2.6-686 sarge`
`03:00.16`	`dpkg`	`kernel-image-2.6-686: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4.), section base, is optional. Version: 101 (sarge), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 32 kB`
`03:00.20`	`Gnea`	`wait.`
`03:00.20`	`abrotman`	`!win me`
`03:00.21`	`dpkg`	`Congratulations, abrotman! You have won second prize in a beauty contest!`
`03:00.26`	`Gnea`	`you're right after all`
`03:00.27`	`Gnea`	`wtf`
`03:00.36`	`abrotman`	`Gnea: it's a meta that pulls in the newest 2.6`
`03:00.53`	`abrotman`	`!depends kernel-image-2.6-686 sarge`
`03:00.56`	`dpkg`	`kernel-image-2.6-686: depends on kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686`
`03:00.56`	`MrP`	`Installing :)`
`03:00.57`	`Gnea`	`er`
`03:01.02`	`Gnea`	`hrm`
`03:01.03`	`abrotman`	`yay`
`03:01.14`	`Supaplex`	`nm, there appears to be a oops capture in dmesg. installing ksymoops now. :) (poor little box is a 256mb compact flash disk with 64mb free)`
`03:01.24`	`abrotman`	`cops?`
`03:01.29`	`abrotman`	`bah .. damn contacts`
`03:01.35`	`MrP`	`Thanks abrotman and Gnea, I'll restart and see what pcmcia thinks of me now`
`03:01.47`	`abrotman`	`probably just a big MrP`
`03:01.49`	`nvz`	`blah blah blah`
`03:02.03`	`Gnea`	`jej`
`03:02.05`	`Gnea`	`heh`
`03:02.08`	`abrotman`	`!frenchfrysmite nvz`
`03:02.20`	`nvz`	`I was walking around getting ready for work, just figured I would say something`
`03:02.31`	`Gnea`	`work?`
`03:02.32`	`abrotman`	`nvz: fedex!`
`03:02.38`	`nvz`	`fuck a fedex`
`03:02.45`	`Gnea`	`in the butt?`
`03:02.51`	`nvz`	`yep`
`03:02.51`	`abrotman`	`in the truck`
`03:02.53`	`xixor`	`in the eye`
`03:02.59`	`nvz`	`in the package sorter`
`03:03.05`	`Gnea`	`eye sea coral`
`03:03.20`	`abrotman`	`geeks just can't rhyme`
`03:03.29`	`Gnea`	`you're such a slime`
`03:03.48`	`abrotman`	`let's stop this time`
`03:03.58`	`Gnea`	`wait, i gotta pick up that dime`
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`03:04.11`	`nvz`	`I was gonna get a shower, but I will do that when I get home in the morning. the robots cant smell anyhow :P`
`03:04.12`	`Anandamide`	`hello`
`03:04.21`	`abrotman`	`Gnea: you smell like brine`
`03:04.30`	`Anandamide`	`i handle it a lot`
`03:04.38`	`Gnea`	`abrotman: after you got cooked with wine`
`03:04.52`	`nvz`	`I wish they had internet there I would sit on irc all night for something to do`
`03:05.10`	`abrotman`	`nvz: that's like a real job ..`
`03:05.18`	`nvz`	`I got an easier job than george jetson`
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`03:05.25`	`Anandamide`	`anyone know how i can change the colors in vim?`
`03:05.33`	`fbi`	`nvz: i can irc from my mobile device!`
`03:05.36`	`abrotman`	`nvz: you push around gravity's beer truck ?`
`03:05.42`	`Anandamide`	`its highlighting comments in this nasty blue i cant read`
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`03:05.44`	`nvz`	`heh`
`03:05.50`	`Gnea`	`oh dear, look at the time`
`03:06.04`	`gravity`	`I could use one of those`
`03:06.05`	`nvz`	`I havent got a mobile device yet I am working on finding myself a Zaurus`
`03:06.11`	`abrotman`	`Gnea: do you like john prine ?`
`03:06.14`	`fbi`	`Zaurus? what's that!`
`03:06.28`	`abrotman`	`!google zaurus`
`03:06.29`	`fbi`	`my sidekick II has a ssh client`
`03:06.34`	`dpkg`	`Google says zaurus is at http://www.myzaurus.com/ or http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/ or http://www.sharpusa.com/products/TypeLanding/0,1056,112,00.html or http://www.sharpusa.com/products/support/0,2309,,00.html or http://www.zaurus.com/dev/`
`03:06.45`	`fbi`	`i can admin my sarge server from anywhere`
`03:06.47`	`Gnea`	`abrotman: is that just another one to climb the vine?`
`03:06.57`	`deadcat`	`is there alot of music to share in gift? compare to limewire maybe?`
`03:06.58`	`nvz`	`I am guessing I could run sarge on the zaurus`
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`03:07.15`	`abrotman`	`Gnea: sometimes .. i wish you were a mime`
`03:07.17`	`Nooob`	`I've installed knoppix to disk. How do I switch from KDE to fluxbox ?`
`03:07.21`	`Gnea`	`ROFL`
`03:07.26`	`fbi`	`deadcat: nicotine is pretty good for tunes, depending on what you are looking for`
`03:07.26`	`nvz`	`would have to debootstrap I imagine`
`03:07.35`	`Gnea`	`abrotman: touche ;)`
`03:07.37`	`abrotman`	`Gnea: you loved it! .. admit it!`
`03:07.44`	`deadcat`	`fbi: just single songs. not entire albums`
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`03:07.58`	`fbi`	`deadcat: try out nicotine then, it's for the soulseek network`
`03:07.59`	`treyh0`	`abrotman: i like john prine`
`03:08.05`	`Gnea`	`abrotman: it relieved some boredom :)`
`03:08.06`	`abrotman`	`i like john prine too`
`03:08.09`	`treyh0`	`cool`
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`03:08.15`	`deadcat`	`fbi: last time i tried it didnt find anything`
`03:08.16`	`encompass`	`morning everyone`
`03:08.20`	`abrotman`	`Gnea: i win .. that was a great line! :)`
`03:08.24`	`abrotman`	`!google john prine`
`03:08.25`	`nvz`	`bye bye`
`03:08.29`	`dpkg`	`Google says john prine is at http://www.jpshrine.org/ or http://www.jpshrine.org/prine1.htm or http://www.ohboy.com/ or http://www.ohboy.com/johnprine.html or http://www.ohboy.com/prine.html`
`03:08.30`	`abrotman`	`nvz: enjoy work!`
`03:08.31`	`fbi`	`deadcat: stop searching for 1980s madonna tracks`
`03:08.35`	`Gnea`	`abrotman: it's about time ;)`
`03:08.43`	`deadcat`	`fbi: hehe.`
`03:08.45`	`DEBlAN`	`!beer fbi`
`03:08.47`	`abrotman`	`Gnea: no more ..`
`03:08.52`	`fbi`	`yay!`
`03:09.05`	`nvz`	`I'll try all I have to read is Oreilly's Understanding the linux kernel 2nd ediition`
`03:09.07`	`abrotman`	`Gnea: but if you want to do that again .. and i'm not around .. grab pseubodot`
`03:09.11`	`encompass`	`I have modules that I see are not loading because I don't need them like shpchp or somehting like that. I can't remember how to blacklist them... could someone show me?`
`03:09.19`	`Gnea`	`abrotman: cool`
`03:09.26`	`deadcat`	`fbi: its using 100%`
`03:09.29`	`abrotman`	`he's not here right now`
`03:09.35`	`fbi`	`soulseek is good for all genres of electronic music, that's what the network was built for`
`03:09.38`	`Gnea`	`well why not`
`03:09.40`	`Gnea`	`j/k :)`
`03:09.46`	`abrotman`	`Gnea: he's probably on freenode`
`03:09.56`	`abrotman`	`aye . he is`
`03:10.01`	`Gnea`	`actually`
`03:10.01`	`encompass`	`morning abrotman`
`03:10.09`	`fbi`	`they try and keep copywritten music off, but that's impossible`
`03:10.09`	`deadcat`	`fbi: what about an account? i dont have one`
`03:10.11`	`fbi`	`deadcat: it's 100% free`
`03:10.14`	`abrotman`	`encompass: hi ?`
`03:10.14`	`Gnea`	`i want to get debian installed on this frigging em64t`
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`03:10.28`	`abrotman`	`Gnea: -amd64 !!`
`03:10.31`	`Gnea`	`i installed the 32bit before, it's time for the full-blown version`
`03:10.32`	`encompass`	`just saying hi, I remember you`
`03:10.37`	`abrotman`	`encompass: i remember you!`
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`03:11.08`	`Gnea`	`abrotman: yup - i got the files for installation too - i don't have a cdrom in it so i'm trying to put together a usb stick for it - it works half-ass`
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`03:11.10`	`*** part/#debian t3847 (n=pete@user-1120233.dsl.mindspring.com)`
`03:11.30`	`abrotman`	`Gnea: what .. not a rhyming line?`
`03:11.31`	`Gnea`	`it will boot the kernel, but somehow init isn't passed right or it doesn't realize where it's coming from`
`03:11.31`	`deadcat`	`fbi: where did you create the nicotine account?`
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`03:11.48`	`abrotman`	`Gnea: boot floppies!`
`03:11.51`	`chnaon`	`Hi all.... Running debian etch and going to install Quanta but I cant find it in apt-get... Is there any problems with Quanta in Etch?`
`03:11.59`	`fbi`	`deadcat: when you first start the app, a screen pops up, create a login/pass`
`03:12.00`	`Gnea`	`abrotman: floppies? huh? what are those? ;)`
`03:12.12`	`abrotman`	`Gnea: useful for installing debian .. you shoudl always have 5`
`03:12.33`	`abrotman`	`!quanta`
`03:12.34`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that quanta is http://quanta.sourceforge.net`
`03:12.39`	`Gnea`	`chnaon: i see it in unstable - see if there's a backport`
`03:12.41`	`Gnea`	`!backport`
`03:12.42`	`dpkg`	`[backport] a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>`
`03:12.43`	`abrotman`	`dpkg: not helpful`
`03:12.47`	`fbi`	`deadcat: you have to also specify your download to/shared files directories too before you can connect`
`03:13.02`	`deadcat`	`fbi: ya. but i get cant login reason invalidpass`
`03:13.13`	`fbi`	`deadcat: someone already registered that nick`
`03:13.22`	`Gnea`	`abrotman: they used to be, until x86 started to adopt netroms and usb`
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`03:13.27`	`deadcat`	`fbi: ah`
`03:13.51`	`deadcat`	`fbi: nah. the first thing it pops up is the nicotine settings.`
`03:14.06`	`fbi`	`deadcat: the settings are where you put your login/pass`
`03:14.11`	`chnaon`	`Gnea: yeah I have seen it in unstable but then it want to update most of my kdelibs aswell... But I guess that the only way then...`
`03:14.14`	`abrotman`	`Gnea: i still use them to isntall`
`03:14.16`	`fbi`	`look under the 'server' tab (i think)`
`03:14.31`	`deadcat`	`fbi: ah.`
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`03:15.00`	`Gnea`	`abrotman: it's either usb or netboot for this badboy`
`03:15.07`	`xixor`	`BibTeX rules`
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`03:15.17`	`deadcat`	`fbi: what the f. everything is greyed out. (results)`
`03:15.26`	`BibTeX`	`xixor: Amen for this ;)`
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`03:15.27`	`rixth`	`Is there a program to install Truetype fonts?`
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`03:15.38`	`fbi`	`deadcat: grey files mean you will wait in a queue, black files are available now`
`03:15.43`	`deadcat`	`ah`
`03:15.54`	`deadcat`	`fbi: and python is using 100% of my cpu`
`03:16.02`	`abrotman`	`Gnea: i bet on usb`
`03:16.03`	`fbi`	`deadcat: upgrade your cpu.`
`03:16.05`	`deadcat`	`fbi: what about lopster2?`
`03:16.08`	`Gnea`	`abrotman: i'm kinda pissed too - printing seems to be broken in sid again`
`03:16.18`	`fbi`	`lopster? i don't think the opennap networks even exist any longer`
`03:16.24`	`abrotman`	`Gnea: that would explain the guy earlier who couldn't print from firefox eh ? :)`
`03:16.26`	`BibTeX`	`guys, does anyone know why when we kill a program it doesn't free all the memory it was taking in RAM`
`03:16.29`	`Gnea`	`abrotman: well, i'm havnig issues with usb right now, gonna give netboot a whirl then fix usb :)`
`03:16.33`	`fbi`	`i used to run an opennap server right after napster got shut down`
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`03:16.41`	`fbi`	`then the RIAA decided to shut ME down`
`03:16.44`	`Gnea`	`abrotman: probably, he was running sid? :)`
`03:16.49`	`abrotman`	`dunno`
`03:16.57`	`deadcat`	`fbi: lopster2 support multi networks`
`03:16.59`	`Gnea`	`fbi: you got sued?`
`03:17.22`	`fbi`	`Gnea: no, but the RIAA sent my ISP a nasty little letter, ISP was gracious enough to give me one warning`
`03:17.24`	`rixth`	`Is there a program to install Truetype fonts? ttmkfdir seg faults.`
`03:17.49`	`fbi`	`deadcat: i have never used lopster2, try it out`
`03:18.08`	`abrotman`	`hrm .. webserver gone`
`03:18.13`	`deadcat`	`fbi: its under devel. man everything is queued up in nicotine.`
`03:18.14`	`Gnea`	`fbi: ouch. i gave up on all of that over a year ago. never got caught, but then all of the crap that people are sharing is just that: crap.`
`03:18.25`	`fbi`	`i ran an opennap server on woody, my server had uptimes of over 180 days`
`03:18.37`	`fbi`	`Gnea: i hear ya`
`03:18.43`	`Gnea`	`fbi: i'll actually go to the store now and then and buy a whole cd or dvd`
`03:18.46`	`deadcat`	`fbi: i want to try gift but i cant get it running`
`03:18.52`	`Gnea`	`if i decide that i like it`
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`03:19.06`	`encompass`	`do they have nvu for stable?`
`03:19.12`	`deadcat`	`do i need to open any ports to use gift?`
`03:19.13`	`fbi`	`Gnea: i used to download tunes like crazy, but i would also still buy the cds`
`03:19.22`	`*** part/#debian Ruddy (i=daemon@200.80.53.243)`
`03:19.47`	`Gnea`	`fbi: me too - it's all those college kids who think life is handed to them on a silver platter that are to blame`
`03:19.52`	`encompass`	`I would have never found my fav. group, cake, if it wasn't for napster`
`03:19.56`	`fbi`	`at one point i had over 80,000 *.mp3s`
`03:20.04`	`*** join/#debian RLA (i=daemon@200.80.53.243)`
`03:20.04`	`fbi`	`then i realized i never listened to more than half of them`
`03:20.12`	`deadcat`	`gift anyone?`
`03:20.34`	`Gnea`	`heh`
`03:20.40`	`Gnea`	`gift was the shit`
`03:20.40`	`encompass`	`umm, yes to use it to the fullest... I found it out by googling`
`03:20.51`	`abrotman`	`!fuck tomcat`
`03:20.53`	`deadcat`	`fbi: thats why i only download the ones i listen to.`
`03:20.59`	`Gnea`	`then the author went berzerk and turned into an assgoblin`
`03:21.09`	`rixth`	`Reading package lists... Done`
`03:21.10`	`rixth`	`Segmentation faulty tree... 50%`
`03:21.17`	`fbi`	`deadcat: wait until you find a connection with 500kpb/s upload speeds, you'll start grabbing lots`
`03:21.21`	`rixth`	`Ain't that grand. apt-get segfaulting. FUCK!`
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`03:21.26`	`deadcat`	`fbi: (=`
`03:21.34`	`Gnea`	`rixth: ouch.`
`03:21.43`	`rixth`	`Restart.`
`03:21.49`	`Gnea`	`rixth: i had that happen once, i think my cache files were corrupt`
`03:21.51`	`deadcat`	`no one uses giFT ?`
`03:22.04`	`encompass`	`gtk_gnuttella for me`
`03:22.18`	`deadcat`	`encompass: let me try that again.`
`03:22.22`	`Gnea`	`i don't do p2p anymore`
`03:22.34`	`deadcat`	`Gnea: you're no fun`
`03:22.43`	`Gnea`	`deadcat: if it's a distro iso, sure`
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`03:22.58`	`Gnea`	`there isn't a single song out there that i'd want to download`
`03:23.05`	`encompass`	`I use it for stupid stuff like wallace and gromit shorts you can get on atomfilms for free`
`03:23.18`	`fbi`	`deadcat: did you install a gift client?`
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`03:23.38`	`abrotman`	`Gnea: i can send you lots of stuff of me singing!`
`03:23.45`	`Gnea`	`ok, wallace and gromit is worthwhile...`
`03:23.46`	`encompass`	`haha`
`03:23.58`	`encompass`	`I like um... my and my wife like them`
`03:24.04`	`fbi`	`giftd does not use direct input/output to the user in the conventional user interface sense. You will want to use a giftd client to interface with the system.`
`03:24.12`	`Gnea`	`abrotman: i can send you lots of stuff of girls getting gang-banged too ;)`
`03:24.19`	`encompass`	`like apollon`
`03:24.30`	`deadcat`	`fbi: ya. client and daemon`
`03:24.37`	`abrotman`	`Gnea: i don't sing to that kind of beat`
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`03:24.47`	`encompass`	`me neefer`
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`03:24.51`	`deadcat`	`encompass: oh. seems gnutella is working. didnt work when i tried long time ago (=`
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`03:24.58`	`encompass`	`ha`
`03:25.01`	`fbi`	`deadcat: #gift has 26 users, maybe they know`
`03:25.01`	`Gnea`	`rofl`
`03:25.13`	`encompass`	`deadcat well there you go (ole hyvin)`
`03:25.18`	`rixth`	`Still segfaulting. Any ideas on what I can do?`
`03:25.28`	`deadcat`	`fbi: fuck them. gonna use gnutella (=`
`03:25.30`	`encompass`	`clean out your cache`
`03:25.31`	`deadcat`	`encompass: love you baby (=`
`03:25.36`	`encompass`	`thanks`
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`03:25.51`	`encompass`	`don't call me baby thats my wifes job`
`03:25.51`	`encompass`	`haha`
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`03:26.01`	`fbi`	`encompass: hey baby`
`03:26.07`	`fbi`	`o.O`
`03:26.14`	`encompass`	`I think I have started a fire`
`03:26.18`	`rixth`	`Someone kill me now. Seriously, the last time apt-get started seg faulting, I had to reinstall. Gar.`
`03:26.24`	`Gnea`	`o/~ i see you baby.. shakin' that ass... shakin' that ass.. o/~`
`03:26.31`	`fbi`	`encompass: sorry, i confused you with LightVision.`
`03:27.00`	`encompass`	`apt-get no_seggy_weggy try that`
`03:27.00`	`nuclearpenguin`	`this program im trying to get working has a libxinerama dependency so i downloaded the package for it but it says i have the wrong version of libc6 too and i keep going in circles trying different things`
`03:27.00`	`Gnea`	`rixth: do you have the ability to check cpu and mobo temps?`
`03:27.10`	`Gnea`	`nuclearpenguin: what flavor?`
`03:27.17`	`rixth`	`No, however, the base of the heatsink feels about average.`
`03:27.26`	`encompass`	`what is the best wysisyg html editor?`
`03:27.31`	`Gnea`	`!best`
`03:27.31`	`dpkg`	`best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!`
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`03:27.37`	`nuclearpenguin`	`Gnea: flavor of...`
`03:27.39`	`rixth`	`encompass, try screem`
`03:27.41`	`Gnea`	`nuclearpenguin: debian`
`03:27.51`	`encompass`	`screem is not wysiwyg`
`03:27.54`	`encompass`	`is it?`
`03:27.59`	`Gnea`	`it is`
`03:27.59`	`deadcat`	`encompass: can i NOT upload share?`
`03:28.01`	`rixth`	`encompass, yes`
`03:28.10`	`nuclearpenguin`	`Gnea: ummmmmmmmmmmmm, call me a noob, but give me an example`
`03:28.16`	`encompass`	`you have to set your ports right to get past the firewall`
`03:28.17`	`Gnea`	`nuclearpenguin: sarge, etch, sid...`
`03:28.20`	`nuclearpenguin`	`sarge`
`03:28.22`	`Gnea`	`ah`
`03:28.24`	`Gnea`	`hrm`
`03:28.27`	`Gnea`	`that's wierd`
`03:28.33`	`nuclearpenguin`	`Gnea, sorry, i was gonna say sarge but didnt wanna sound stupid ;)`
`03:28.44`	`MrP`	`Kernel updated, however, my stupid wireless card still doesn't work :P. pcmcia works now, but the card is supposedly "unsupported" <- ie: having a bad night`
`03:28.47`	`Gnea`	`i know there's a problem with libc6 in sid right now`
`03:28.57`	`Gnea`	`nuclearpenguin: well that's stupid ;) j/k :)`
`03:29.05`	`encompass`	`MrP what kind of chipset is it?`
`03:29.25`	`MrP`	`I believe prism3... D-Link DWL-650 v.P1`
`03:29.27`	`Gnea`	`nuclearpenguin: what version is it requesting?`
`03:29.31`	`nuclearpenguin`	`Gnea, now get this, the program im trying to run didnt require compiling or nothing, it was just a single file, i went to run it and it gave me the "cannot find libxinerama.so.1 shared library" error`
`03:29.34`	`nuclearpenguin`	`of libc6?`
`03:29.36`	`wOOt`	`Gnea, any infos about the prob?`
`03:29.42`	`rixth`	`Gnea, I apt-get update'd and it works now. I think is was just coincidence though.`
`03:29.44`	`encompass`	`is it a trl8180 chipset?`
`03:29.49`	`encompass`	`rtl not trl`
`03:30.04`	`encompass`	`trl is a stupid show for kind to whatch and download music they hear from it`
`03:30.16`	`encompass`	`kind = kids`
`03:30.22`	`abrotman`	`fuse ?`
`03:30.26`	`encompass`	`my hands... not typing.. ryght`
`03:30.30`	`Gnea`	`nuclearpenguin: ldd <file>`
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`03:30.42`	`nuclearpenguin`	`ldd? whats that do...\`
`03:30.45`	`MrP`	`encompass, not seeing anything like that on the card itself... or are you talking the output from a command?`
`03:30.47`	`Gnea`	`wOOt: there's a bug #...something to do with atd`
`03:31.00`	`Gnea`	`rixth: possibly - cool`
`03:31.03`	`encompass`	`rixth I would do an fsck just to make sure you not losing a HD'`
`03:31.08`	`Lee__`	`are the VIA unichrome drivers in the 2.6 kernel?`
`03:31.17`	`Gnea`	`nuclearpenguin: shows you what libraries a shared binary is linked against`
`03:31.17`	`wOOt`	`ah k Gnea thx`
`03:31.21`	`rixth`	`encompass, good idea.`
`03:31.23`	`encompass`	`google you card`
`03:31.29`	`zinx`	`unichrome.. sounds like mercury poisoning to me...`
`03:31.33`	`Gnea`	`!google you card`
`03:31.40`	`dpkg`	`Google says you card is at http://www.defendamerica.mil/nmam.html or http://www.bluemountain.com/ or http://blog.deconcept.com/2005/02/02/i-choo-choo-choose-you/ or http://www.bashas.com/tyc_app.php or http://www.dgreetings.com/everyday_cards/thank_you/`
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`03:31.48`	`Lee__`	`could be. but this one is a video card`
`03:31.49`	`abrotman`	`!google Gnea`
`03:31.52`	`Gnea`	`O.o`
`03:31.53`	`nuclearpenguin`	`libXinerama.so.1 => not found`
`03:31.54`	`dpkg`	`Google says Gnea is at http://gnea.net/ or http://gnea.net/gallery/ or http://gnea.net/gallery/albums.php or http://freshmeat.net/~gnea/ or http://gah.pablotron.org/view/?nick=Gnea`
`03:31.56`	`encompass`	`what!?`
`03:31.57`	`abrotman`	`doh!`
`03:31.58`	`nuclearpenguin`	`strange coincidence ;)`
`03:32.04`	`Gnea`	`oh man`
`03:32.04`	`encompass`	`!moo`
`03:32.05`	`dpkg`	`mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo.`
`03:32.07`	`Gnea`	`let the cat outta the bag`
`03:32.19`	`abrotman`	`Gnea: you're pablotron ?`
`03:32.29`	`Gnea`	`abrotman: heh no, friend of mine`
`03:32.31`	`Supaplex`	`!meow`
`03:32.38`	`abrotman`	`Gnea: you have a mohawk!`
`03:32.43`	`encompass`	`!oink`
`03:32.43`	`dpkg`	`from memory, oink is the best cs server: oink.kicks-ass.net`
`03:32.44`	`Gnea`	`s/have/had/`
`03:32.46`	`Lee__`	`your web page is a 404`
`03:32.48`	`Gnea`	`-:)`
`03:32.52`	`encompass`	`really`
`03:32.53`	`rixth`	`Gnea, ttmkfdir still seg faults though. Argh. I should use Sarge.`
`03:32.58`	`nuclearpenguin`	`Gnea, it says it cant find it lol`
`03:33.01`	`Gnea`	`Lee__: oh hell yeah`
`03:33.10`	`encompass`	`rixth yes`
`03:33.12`	`abrotman`	`Gnea: i have many more results! :)`
`03:33.28`	`MrP`	`encompass: From what I've seen on google, it is supposed to be a prism3`
`03:33.41`	`encompass`	`let me look with you then`
`03:33.53`	`abrotman`	`prism2 ?`
`03:34.03`	`abrotman`	`MrP: did you find your yenta ?`
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`03:34.26`	`Gnea`	`abrotman: what really sucks is that there are some pictures of me, somewhere, that were taken YEARS ago, and google and web-archive cannot process them`
`03:34.27`	`abrotman`	`yes .. that sounds weird .. get over it`
`03:34.37`	`abrotman`	`Gnea: with a mohawk ?`
`03:34.44`	`Gnea`	`abrotman: pre-mohawk`
`03:34.46`	`MrP`	`abrotman, debian found it for me after going to 2.65`
`03:34.48`	`MrP`	`2.6*`
`03:34.51`	`rixth`	`I can't remember the last time I fsck'd. (no fucked jokes, please).`
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`03:34.53`	`abrotman`	`MrP: yay`
`03:35.00`	`MrP`	`abrotman, x eleventy billion`
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`03:35.07`	`abrotman`	`rixth: i'd say you're fscked now! ...`
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`03:36.14`	`rixth`	`Came up clean. I still need/want to install these trutype fonts though & with ttmkfdir seg faulting it is difficult.`
`03:36.19`	`MrP`	`encompass, any luck?`
`03:36.19`	`JuanCraft`	`someone knows how can i get information (command) about my tv device?`
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`03:36.50`	`rixth`	`JuanCraft, what device exactly?`
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`03:37.20`	`nuclearpenguin`	`it says i need libc6 >=2.3.5-1`
`03:37.27`	`JuanCraft`	`it's a tvcapture Philips 7134`
`03:37.27`	`encompass`	`I googled prism 3 debian, use the second hit`
`03:37.34`	`nuclearpenguin`	`apt-get says i have the latest version,w hich is 2.2.x`
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`03:38.49`	`fbi`	`nuclearpenguin: 2.2.x == oldstable`
`03:38.57`	`nuclearpenguin`	`actually, it says i need >=2.3.5 and i have 2.3.2, sorryt`
`03:39.07`	`b0xy`	`is there some way to show CPU stats in a linux system?`
`03:39.15`	`b0xy`	`on a PC`
`03:39.17`	`fbi`	`nuclearpenguin: 2.3.5 is in testing and unstable`
`03:39.19`	`Gnea`	`nuclearpenguin: according to the sarge box at my feet, Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22`
`03:39.21`	`Gnea`	`is the latest`
`03:39.37`	`b0xy`	`Intel Celeron proc 1.7ghz but I wanna know if the proc has SSE2 or SSE3`
`03:39.39`	`nuclearpenguin`	`but libxinerama wants >= 2.3.5`
`03:39.42`	`abrotman`	`Gnea: you have sarge shoes!?!?`
`03:39.52`	`nuclearpenguin`	`soooooooo, whats my best option?`
`03:39.54`	`fbi`	`nuclearpenguin: then you're gonna have to upgrade shrug`
`03:39.57`	`Gnea`	`yeah man`
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`03:40.21`	`nuclearpenguin`	`how do i upgrade to the unstable though? cvs or something? apt-get is my limits ;)`
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`03:40.28`	`NotHappy`	`how to mount a USB drive?`
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`03:40.47`	`fbi`	`nuclearpenguin: edit sources.list -> apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade`
`03:40.48`	`Gnea`	`NotHappy: usbmount`
`03:41.18`	`nemo`	`can anyone tell me how to add gdesklets to startup in KDE?`
`03:41.24`	`JuanCraft`	`the list are update in real time?`
`03:42.49`	`fbi`	`nuclearpenguin: beware of broken packages`
`03:42.53`	`nuclearpenguin`	`fbi/: what to change in sources.list? :x`
`03:43.01`	`bob2`	`nuclearpenguin: if you have to ask, you shouldn't be doing it`
`03:43.01`	`MrP`	`encompass, you talking about the one about installing it on an averatec laptop?`
`03:43.03`	`nuclearpenguin`	`stable to unstable?`
`03:43.05`	`bob2`	`nuclearpenguin: /msg dpkg sid faq`
`03:43.08`	`bob2`	`nuclearpenguin: /msg dpkg testing->sid`
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`03:43.24`	`encompass`	`it could be the same chipset... but no I don't htink it talked about that`
`03:43.43`	`fbi`	`wait, if he needs libc6 2.3.5 he just upgrade sarge to testing`
`03:43.53`	`fbi`	`he can i mean`
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`03:43.57`	`MrP`	`ok`
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`03:44.11`	`fbi`	`no need to upgrade to unstable`
`03:44.33`	`JuanCraft`	`what it's the last version for gnome?`
`03:44.37`	`chnaon`	`NotHappy: After you plugged your usb-device, write dmesg in a terminal and look for which device its mounts to. Oftens its something like /dev/sda1 or /dev/sda2... then just mount with: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb`
`03:44.49`	`encompass`	`Sigh, I am trying to help it is just hard to not just copy and paste, I work in console and haven't figured out screen yet`
`03:44.51`	`nemo`	`Can anyone please tell me how to add to startup?`
`03:45.19`	`amphi`	`encompass: gpm ?`
`03:45.22`	`abrotman`	`/etc/init.d/README`
`03:45.28`	`Gnea`	`nemo: you want gnome stuff on a kde desktop?`
`03:45.30`	`encompass`	`gpm?`
`03:45.56`	`encompass`	`nemo, you just save the session the way you want it`
`03:45.56`	`amphi`	`encompass: apt-cache show gpm`
`03:46.03`	`encompass`	`look up saving a session in kde`
`03:46.08`	`nemo`	`Gnea: well I want gdesklets to auto maticaly start on startup in kde`
`03:46.17`	`Gnea`	`nemo: what encompass said`
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`03:46.43`	`abrotman`	`gdesklets .. kde .. mmmm`
`03:46.57`	`MrP`	`Ok, I installed linux-wlan-ng, and it no longer gives me that error, but now this: FATAL: Module prism2_cs not found... i = the suck at computers`
`03:46.59`	`Gnea`	`bowel movements.. mmmm`
`03:47.03`	`fbi`	`gross!`
`03:47.11`	`Gnea`	`hahaha`
`03:47.20`	`fbi`	`POP`
`03:47.27`	`bob2`	`charming`
`03:47.28`	`abrotman`	`more of a fizzle ?`
`03:47.33`	`nemo`	`encompass: I don't know how to access startup control in kde`
`03:47.52`	`bob2`	`MrP: you need to get the actual hardware driver, too`
`03:47.55`	`encompass`	`amphi, you can do that in linux!! cool`
`03:47.55`	`tereais`	`has anyone here sucessfully compiled void11-0.2.0 in sarge?`
`03:48.02`	`bob2`	`MrP: probably linux-wlan-ng-source`
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`03:48.13`	`Gnea`	`fbi: that was a shitty thing to do`
`03:48.20`	`Gnea`	`:)`
`03:48.21`	`fbi`	`haha`
`03:48.33`	`fbi`	`i did it with a dart, from far away. i am safe.`
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`03:48.47`	`encompass`	`nemo search for saving your session they have agreat help system in kde or go to a kde irc channel, they know there stuff, I use gnome if I am going to use the desktop`
`03:48.57`	`Gnea`	`but you've never seen my projectile`
`03:49.05`	`fbi`	`ok, ew.`
`03:49.09`	`abrotman`	`heheh`
`03:49.11`	`fbi`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:49.13`	`Gnea`	`rofl`
`03:49.19`	`Gnea`	`anyway`
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`03:50.23`	`nemo`	`encompess: OK thanx, BTW I hate M$, but KDE just seems to be a comfortable way for me to make the transition from M$ to Linux. I didn't know there was a KDE channel....lol....but thanx`
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`03:50.52`	`encompass`	`I wish I could get my card working... I can't ever know if it is because I have no network top workwith to connect to, only one I can connect to they won't take down the security to see if I can even connect`
`03:51.03`	`encompass`	`wlan that it`
`03:51.05`	`encompass`	`is`
`03:51.35`	`encompass`	`nemo you betcha`
`03:51.46`	`tereais`	`encompas: what chipset?`
`03:51.57`	`encompass`	`rtl8180 VERY popular`
`03:52.10`	`encompass`	`but when I try to compile the driver it won't work`
`03:52.25`	`encompass`	`I tried for a week strait trying to figure out what I did wrong`
`03:52.25`	`tereais`	`i just finally got my netgear wg511t with madwifi and patched it`
`03:52.40`	`tereais`	`working that is`
`03:52.44`	`encompass`	`madwifi? what is that?`
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`03:53.18`	`tereais`	`it's for Atheros chipsets`
`03:53.36`	`encompass`	`what?`
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`03:54.02`	`encompass`	`trl8180 is the chipset for mine... it is a cheapo homeline wlan I got here in finland`
`03:54.39`	`roo9`	`does anyone know the compatiblity level for the data=writeback option to ext3? is it avaliable in 2.4.x?`
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`03:55.15`	`cinderella`	`hello`
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`03:56.32`	`drakh`	`if I do a killall ntop, then type ps -A \| grep ntop, there are still processes listed... anyone know why this is happening`
`03:56.40`	`encompass`	`how do I copy and paste from one console to the next?`
`03:57.38`	`tereais`	`encompas: hilight in one, then click left and right mouse button in the other`
`03:57.45`	`tereais`	`if you have gpm installed`
`03:57.50`	`amphi`	`encompass: button 1 sweep to copy, middle button to paste`
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`03:58.40`	`roo9`	`drakh: try different signals, killall -3, or killall -9`
`03:59.04`	`tereais`	`if you have a middle button`
`03:59.17`	`encompass`	`all right I have got to get this thing working... I will be back`
`03:59.32`	`drakh`	`killall -9 worked`
`03:59.36`	`drakh`	`I wonder what happened`
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`04:01.00`	`roo9`	`drakh: the default of "kill/killall" is to send a sighup, which instructs a program to restart, or re-read configuration files, not to actually kill the program`
`04:01.17`	`roo9`	`drakh: you need to add a -3, SIGTERM, or -9, SIGKILL to actually kill the program`
`04:01.25`	`roo9`	drakh: look at `kill -l`
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`04:01.43`	`Lee__`	`why would I be able to load a kernel module and have it tell me it's enabled DRI mode for X yet glxinfo still says "direct rendering = no"?`
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`04:02.17`	`roo9`	`lee__; your x configuration most likely does not have DRI enabled`
`04:02.18`	`encompass`	`hi everyone.. I am trying to compile a driver I downloaded and it tells me that it can't find the make target... any ideas? and would anyone like to see the output?`
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`04:02.52`	`amphi`	`encompass: paste the relevant bits in #flood`
`04:02.59`	`encompass`	`ok just a sec`
`04:03.04`	`Lee__`	`roo9, it does, and /var/log/XFree86.log says it's loaded the DRI module.`
`04:03.24`	`stew`	`roo9: the default signal of kill and killall is term not hup`
`04:03.35`	`mpk23`	`Hi. I'm still having optical ps/2 mouse trouble. Formerly, X would not start. Changed XF86conf-4 to have protocol as auto, still no start. If I unplug and replug the mouse the instant X is starting up, it starts, but after a few seconds, mouse light goes out and no mouse response, but functional windows.`
`04:03.48`	`stew`	`roo9: and sigterm is 15 not 3`
`04:04.18`	`b0xy`	`mpk23: I didnt even know they made optical PS2`
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`04:04.29`	`b0xy`	`I thought that they had to have the extra power of the USB port to work`
`04:04.41`	`mpk23`	`Nope, this is my second one. Lsmod shows mousedev and psmouse.`
`04:04.46`	`b0xy`	`hm..`
`04:05.10`	`mpk23`	`Works on my win2k box, no go with Knoppix 3.9 as well.`
`04:05.20`	`MrP`	`How do I get linux-wlan-ng to make/build my prism2 module? I've tried everything I can think of`
`04:06.17`	`Lee__`	`yeah, this is totally weird. the XFree log says everything is loaded but I still get no direct rendering OR xvideo extensions!`
`04:06.34`	`stew`	`mpk23: what /dev are you pointing at?`
`04:06.37`	`Lee__`	`it found the chipset, the driver, and the extension.`
`04:06.39`	`stew`	`mpk23: tried mdetect?`
`04:06.44`	`fbi`	`mpk23: did you do what i said earlier?`
`04:06.51`	`Lee__`	`but glxgears is still at 100fps`
`04:07.04`	`encompass`	`100 is alot for my little guy`
`04:07.04`	`encompass`	`haha`
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`04:07.16`	`mpk23`	`Yep, fbi. Did the md5 thing after all changes. My pointer is to /dev/input/mice`
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`04:07.19`	`fbi`	`mpk23: for starters, your X config is borked because you edited it. changes you make with debconf aren't even being saved.`
`04:07.31`	`mpk23`	`Don't use debconf.`
`04:07.38`	`fbi`	`mpk23: did you try /dev/psaux just for shits and giggles?`
`04:07.46`	`fbi`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:07.57`	`mpk23`	`Yes, tried psaux there and in /dev/.static/dev/psaux`
`04:07.58`	`fbi`	`i use optical PS/2s on both my desktops`
`04:08.04`	`ratonn`	`umount /dev/hdc2 says it's not mounted`
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`04:08.10`	`Lee__`	`a nvidia card I found in the trash does 200`
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`04:08.15`	`ratonn`	`mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdc2 says it is`
`04:08.19`	`ratonn`	`?`
`04:08.40`	`mpk23`	`Actualluy, tried it first... Puzzled by the intermittency... Should I send it 'keep alives' or some option so the light doesn't go out?`
`04:08.41`	`drakh`	`here is an excerpt from the ntop man page:`
`04:08.42`	`drakh`	`By default idle hosts are periodically purged from memory. An idle host is identified when no packets from or to that host have been monitored for the period of time defined by the value of PARM_HOST_PURGE_MINIMUM_IDLE in globals-defines.h.`
`04:08.43`	`fbi`	`mpk23: when you reconfigure X, debconf is handling the entire process`
`04:08.50`	`drakh`	`how do I change globas-defines.h ?`
`04:08.51`	`mpk23`	`I see.`
`04:09.00`	`elbixio`	`hi everybody. is there any way to limit the transfer rate of apt-get (or any other program) in debian etch?`
`04:09.10`	`fbi`	`mpk23: no idea, what brand mouse is it?`
`04:09.14`	`elbixio`	`like the wget --limit-rate option`
`04:09.30`	`mpk23`	`It's a generic of the type 'Micro Innovations'`
`04:09.50`	`encompass`	`I just want to tell everyone here...`
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`04:09.56`	`Lee__`	`could the framebuffer driver be getting in the way of the unichrome driver?`
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`04:10.16`	`mpk23`	`I used the md5sum incantation after my changes, is debconf going to apply these?`
`04:10.41`	`fbi`	`mpk23: if you fixed the file, then yes, the changes you make with debconf will now be applied`
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`04:11.12`	`mpk23`	`It seems as tho the behavior changed, I went from no X start to X with no mouse (with unplug dance)`
`04:11.27`	`fbi`	`mpk23: this is a longshot, but have you tried a PS/2 -> USB adaptor?`
`04:11.42`	`dli`	`is checkinstall in debian ?`
`04:11.47`	`fbi`	`just to see if the mouse will work`
`04:11.57`	`mpk23`	`Don't own one, Still have return time on this mouse, so I might run back and get one that's native usb.`
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`04:12.13`	`encompass`	`I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE AN ANOUNCEMENT....`
`04:12.14`	`amphi`	`encompass: about using evil caps and spaces in file names? ;)`
`04:12.21`	`encompass`	`haha`
`04:12.25`	`stew`	`dli: /msg dpkg search`
`04:12.44`	`dli`	`stew: /msg dpkg checkinstall is better`
`04:12.56`	`mpk23`	`fbi: Mouse works on other (win) systems, and non-opto works on the linux box.`
`04:13.17`	`encompass`	`never use spaces... they are from the evil bill empire! and amphi here has shown me the late and after two weeks of hard work on everyone's part... amphi took one look and said get them spaces out... and it`
`04:13.19`	`encompass`	`WORKS`
`04:13.34`	`MrP`	`Why is it that I can find a kernel-source for 2.4, but not for 2.6 using apt-get?`
`04:13.47`	`mpk23`	`About configuring a usb mouse: Does Deb have an autodetect routine like Kudzu, or am I back in the conf files?`
`04:13.51`	`stew`	`dli: ok, it doesn't answer your question though`
`04:13.58`	`amphi`	`encompass: well, it compiles...`
`04:14.02`	`encompass`	`yes`
`04:14.05`	`encompass`	`yes it does`
`04:14.16`	`encompass`	`now to continue with the readme see ya guys`
`04:14.39`	`encompass`	`thanks so very much`
`04:14.52`	`stew`	`MrP: what version of debian are you on?`
`04:14.57`	`MrP`	`2.6.12`
`04:15.17`	`stew`	`MrP: 2.6.12 was renamed linux-source and linux-image and linux-headers`
`04:15.32`	`MrP`	`ahh, thanks!`
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`04:15.46`	`stew`	`and 2.6.12 now what version of debian you are on btw...`
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`04:16.30`	`MrP`	`stew: to be 100% honest, I'm not even sure, sarge I think. It's been awhile since I've used this :)`
`04:16.51`	`amphi`	`MrP: cat /etc/debian_version`
`04:17.01`	`stew`	`sounds like etch`
`04:17.07`	`MrP`	`3.1`
`04:17.15`	`amphi`	`but no...`
`04:17.26`	`stew`	`2.6.12 isn't in sarge / 3.1`
`04:17.42`	`amphi`	`MrP: did you build that yourself?`
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`04:18.00`	`stew`	`and since he said he couldn't find kenrel-source for 2.6 he must be on etch`
`04:18.00`	`MrP`	`amphi, no`
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`04:18.14`	`stew`	`cuz if he was on sarge he would have found kernel-source-2.6.8`
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`04:18.19`	`luddite`	`abrotman, thanks for the fyi via dpkg on fixing resolutions`
`04:18.34`	`MrP`	`abrotman had me download the kernel 2.6.12`
`04:18.38`	`MrP`	`that's about all i know :)`
`04:19.02`	`justin420`	`hi, anybody help with getting lirc to work in debian??`
`04:19.10`	`stew`	`MrP: are you going to compile any extra modules for it?`
`04:19.18`	`luddite`	`anybody here know how to get the wine menu in applications? gnome`
`04:19.22`	`timo_`	`is freebsd filesystem support enabled by default in the 2.6 generic kernel (probably ufs)? how would i mount it when it is several partitions?`
`04:19.27`	`stew`	`MrP: (i'm guessing that's why you are looking for sources/headers)`
`04:19.28`	`Gnea`	`!anybody`
`04:19.29`	`dpkg`	`Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>`
`04:19.34`	`MrP`	`stew: Yes, prism2`
`04:20.03`	`timo_`	`..several partitions on one hdd`
`04:20.09`	`stew`	`MrP: sarge's gcc can't compile modules for etch's 2.6.12, you are going to have to get gcc 4.0`
`04:20.31`	`luddite`	`i'm, attempting to use google talk with wine, but after i install with wine.. i can't find the executable in the applications. menu`
`04:20.32`	`MrP`	`stew: how do i find out what version of gcc i am running?`
`04:20.38`	`stew`	`MrP: gcc --version`
`04:20.39`	`amphi`	`MrP: or build your own 2.6.12`
`04:20.48`	`Gnea`	`stew: no, 3.4 will do it`
`04:20.49`	`MrP`	`gcc is 4.0.2`
`04:20.58`	`Gnea`	`stew: 4.0 is really only necessary for 64-bit`
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`04:21.25`	`stew`	`Gnea: if the kenrel was compiled with 4.0 you own't be able to load modules compiled with 3.x into it, i don't think`
`04:21.30`	`MrP`	`does installing linux-source extract the source, or just toss the archive in /usr/src?`
`04:21.35`	`luddite`	`alright folkd gnight thanks again abrotman for yourhelp with the video`
`04:21.38`	`stew`	`MrP: the latter`
`04:21.38`	`Gnea`	`stew: hrm, that would be correct as well`
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`04:23.32`	`calm`	`j surakarta`
`04:23.54`	`smacnay`	`Anyone ever get errors on apt-get update due to the public key not being available?`
`04:24.49`	`smacnay`	`I am getting GPG errors updating from ftp.tux.org`
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`04:25.13`	`MrP`	`freaking a, the linux-wlan-ng-source make config sucks. i install the linux source, extract it, and give it the path, and it tells me it isn't complete. "The kernel header files are present, but not the full source code."`
`04:25.13`	`dondelelcaro`	`smacnay: which errors? Have you loaded the proper key?`
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`04:26.42`	`smacnay`	`dondelelcaro: I have never loaded a key to update before.`
`04:27.13`	`smacnay`	`dondelelcaro: part of the error message is "...public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY BB5E..."`
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`04:27.26`	`dondelelcaro`	`!keys for apt`
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`04:27.27`	`dpkg`	`[keys for apt] 'gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys <keyid> ; gpg --export <keyid> \| sudo apt-key add -', where <keyid> is the id apt is complaining about`
`04:28.09`	`dondelelcaro`	`in theory, sudo apt-key update; should also do the right thing`
`04:28.44`	`smacnay`	`dondelelcaro: thanks - damn, apt is a more robust tool than I thought`
`04:29.02`	`servus`	`It has super cow powers.`
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`04:29.26`	`Gnea`	`man, the #debian-amd64 channel is DEA*D again`
`04:29.31`	`EvilSporkMan`	`i'm trying to build stepmania and configure is failing with the following line: checking for glPushMatrix in -lGL... no`
`04:29.33`	`smacnay`	`dondelelcaro: guess I need the debian-keyring for that?`
`04:29.54`	`EvilSporkMan`	`i have libglu1-xorg-dev installed, which i thought would've been the requisite library for that, but apparently it isn't?`
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`04:30.07`	`kjoonlee`	`hi :)`
`04:30.32`	`ratonn`	`is this trouble?`
`04:30.32`	`ratonn`	`(none):~# man /etc/profile`
`04:30.32`	`ratonn`	`man: /etc/profile: Input/output error`
`04:30.35`	`quetK`	`some video player with subs suport?? no mplayer and no totem plz`
`04:30.46`	`smacnay`	`quetK: xine`
`04:31.24`	`quetK`	`smacnay, thanks you`
`04:31.30`	`quetK`	`sudo apt-get install xine ??`
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`04:32.15`	`smacnay`	`quetK: apt-cache search xine first - then "show" - read which you want. Then install.`
`04:32.45`	`danieldg`	`ratonn: no, it's erroring because you're trying to read /etc/profile as a manpage. And it's a directory`
`04:33.09`	`quetK`	`smacnay, what i should use?`
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`04:33.53`	`b3nw`	`is there a package for wxWidgets 2.6 ?`
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`04:34.08`	`golly`	`I've got a linux box acting as file server to 5 WinXP machines.......when I try to open a file on the server using some WinXP application, the first request is ignored.....the 2nd time I try it opens fine! Why?`
`04:35.14`	`quetK`	`hmm sudo apt-get install totem-xine??'`
`04:35.54`	`Lee__`	`so I just discovered I have to rebuild x with a patch for xvideo to be supported in my card. What is the best way to rebuild a package?`
`04:36.54`	`Lee__`	`would it be as simple as applying the patch and running dpkg-buildpackage?`
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`04:37.52`	`breadstick`	`Hello all`
`04:38.08`	`golly`	`I've got a linux box acting as file server to 5 WinXP machines.......when I try to open a file on the server using some WinXP application, the first request is ignored.....the 2nd time I try it opens fine! Why?`
`04:38.15`	`breadstick`	`I need some help configuring XFree + Gnome on Debian`
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`04:40.10`	`BibTeX`	`does anyone know from I could download a CSS encryption library for DVDs`
`04:40.11`	`BibTeX`	`?`
`04:40.11`	`breadstick`	`I have selected the ATI generic driver as there is not one listed for the Rage IIC (that i was able to find) and it limits me to 800x600`
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`04:40.28`	`agney`	`breadstick, just tell what you tried and what you god and we well do our best to help you`
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`04:40.53`	`agney`	`breadstick, did you load ati kernel module ?`
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`04:41.25`	`k0walski`	`does the debian net installer have support for wireless?`
`04:41.52`	`breadstick`	`k0walski, , iirc it saw my orinoco card`
`04:42.09`	`k0walski`	`does it come with wireless-tools or whatever that package is?`
`04:42.20`	`breadstick`	`i do not know for sure`
`04:42.56`	`fbi`	`breadstick: what resolutions did you select when you configured X`
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`04:45.42`	`breadstick`	`fbi, I want 1024x768`
`04:45.54`	`breadstick`	`I know the card suports it as i run that when i boot windows`
`04:46.06`	`fbi`	`breadstick: /msg dpkg drx`
`04:46.13`	`breadstick`	`it supports 2048 also but thats to small on this monitor`
`04:46.25`	`breadstick`	`eh whats that do?`
`04:46.31`	`fbi`	`select the resolution(s) you want`
`04:46.52`	`fbi`	`dpkg is a bot, msg it and it will tell you what to do`
`04:46.55`	`breadstick`	`how would a irc comand do that?`
`04:46.56`	`breadstick`	`ahh`
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`04:47.35`	`encompass`	`hi guys, I am in a bind...`
`04:47.37`	`fbi`	`breadstick: when you are done, restart X`
`04:48.07`	`prjktdtnt`	`encompass: please continue`
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`04:48.39`	`encompass`	`my wlan uses dhcp how do I configure my wlan to use dhcp with ifconfig`
`04:49.11`	`stew`	`encompass: man interfaces, man wireless ; /msg dpkg man interfaces`
`04:49.19`	`fbi`	`encompass: man interfaces`
`04:49.31`	`amphi`	`encompass: dhclient <interface> and/or edit /etc/network/interfaces and use ifup`
`04:49.37`	`smacnay`	`I am using "testing" and "unstable" as the names for the distros in my sources.list. Should that be changed to "etch" and "sid"?`
`04:49.46`	`prjktdtnt`	`fbi, amphi & stew: thx I hadnt dealt with wlan so I wasnt sure about that one`
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`04:50.09`	`encompass`	`do I need to do the following command?...`
`04:50.20`	`prjktdtnt`	`smacnay: only if using a repository that uses etch and sid instead of testing or unstable`
`04:50.35`	`bushito`	`how can i make my system mix sounds, when i open any package that sues sound and the open another it error message device in use, how can i fix this?`
`04:50.47`	`prjktdtnt`	`encompass: follow the command they said above^^`
`04:51.03`	`amphi`	`bushito: if it's alsa you can use the dmix plugin`
`04:51.20`	`amphi`	`encompass: for now, you could try dhclient <interface>`
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`04:51.29`	`encompass`	`ifconfig wlan0 broadcast 192.168.11.255 netmask 255.255.255.0 192.168.11.100`
`04:51.39`	`encompass`	`and what do each ip address do?`
`04:51.43`	`bushito`	`amphi, ?? okey ill try it`
`04:52.13`	`amphi`	`encompass: is that what dhclient gave it?`
`04:52.24`	`encompass`	`are those for set ip addresses and not automatic`
`04:52.31`	`encompass`	`dhcp does it itself?`
`04:52.35`	`encompass`	`right?`
`04:52.41`	`prjktdtnt`	`encompass: that was what you would do to set it yourself`
`04:52.55`	`encompass`	`ok.. phew... glad I asked youguys first`
`04:52.56`	`encompass`	`thanks`
`04:53.03`	`amphi`	`encompass: dhclient will attempt to contact a dhcp server to configure the interface`
`04:53.04`	`bushito`	`amphi, how can i be more sure if i am using alsa, without using package manager??`
`04:53.05`	`prjktdtnt`	`encompass: to recive dhcp then dhclient wlan0`
`04:53.23`	`amphi`	`bushito: does alsamixer work?`
`04:53.24`	`encompass`	`ok let me try here... thanks`
`04:53.39`	`bushito`	`amphi, i dont got any package in my menu with the name of alsa....`
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`04:53.52`	`prjktdtnt`	`encompass: i know i didnt contribute as much as amphi but no prob anyway`
`04:53.58`	`bushito`	`E: Couldn't find package alsamixer`
`04:54.12`	`Lee__`	`alsa-utils`
`04:54.21`	`prjktdtnt`	`bushito "dpkg -l \| grep alsa`
`04:54.25`	`fbi`	`bushito: you're still using OSS then`
`04:54.28`	`prjktdtnt`	`(minus quotes)`
`04:54.33`	`zepp157`	`what's the highest UID allowed on Linux systems?`
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`04:55.34`	`smacnay`	`I think that ftp.tux.org (the Blackdown java site) was expecting only "sarge" rather than testiing, sid, etch, or unstable. At least the gpg key they provided was for "sarge".`
`04:55.34`	`bushito`	`prjktdtnt, nothing happened just got to another line`
`04:55.50`	`bushito`	`fbi, and how can i fix this is this something bad??`
`04:56.02`	`prjktdtnt`	`bushito: just means you're using a different sound driver`
`04:56.05`	`fbi`	`bushito: kernel version please`
`04:56.13`	`bushito`	`2.8.6`
`04:56.18`	`prjktdtnt`	`bushito: Sound Card too please`
`04:56.40`	`bushito`	`Sound Crystal 4CH CS******`
`04:56.40`	`fbi`	`bushito: apt-get install alsa-base && alsaconf`
`04:56.46`	`quetK`	`why xine doesn't load subtitles? :s`
`04:57.09`	`encompass`	`now do unplug and see if it works`
`04:57.18`	`encompass`	`thanks, iot got a dhcp offer`
`04:57.24`	`Lee__`	`holy crap. patching Xfree made xvideo work :) yea unichrome.sf.net!`
`04:57.38`	`bushito`	`how can i get rid of the other sound driver??`
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`04:57.59`	`justin420`	`hi, anyone help with getting lirc to work in debian?`
`04:58.01`	`smacnay`	`I see that apt-get search kernel-source show only 2.6.8 as the latest? Can't be.`
`04:58.16`	`EvilSporkMan`	`smacnay: package name changed`
`04:58.16`	`Lee__`	`!alsa`
`04:58.16`	`dpkg`	`Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard`
`04:58.24`	`prjktdtnt`	`bushito: do you know exactly what model ( lspci )`
`04:58.24`	`fbi`	`smacnay: sarge will never get a newer kernel`
`04:58.30`	`EvilSporkMan`	`smacnay: it's linux-source`
`04:58.35`	`saik0`	`Can anyone who uses acpupsd and an APC UPS tell me how to make the device nodes?`
`04:58.35`	`Lee__`	`!tell smacnay about make-kpkg`
`04:58.35`	`stew`	`smacnay: in etch/sid its linux-source`
`04:58.43`	`smacnay`	`ah, that would explain things`
`04:58.48`	`bushito`	`prjktdtnt, lol alsa just auto detected sound card and configured it (O_O)`
`04:58.54`	`Lee__`	`smacnay, I'm running 2.6.13.4 on sarge`
`04:59.01`	`saik0`	`Actually i just want to make generic usbhid device nodes`
`04:59.05`	`EvilSporkMan`	`bushito: yeah, _windows_ does that; were you expecting anything less? =P`
`04:59.06`	`prjktdtnt`	`bushito: thats a good thing...trust me`
`04:59.24`	`prjktdtnt`	`evilsporkman: you mean Whinedows?`
`04:59.35`	`bushito`	`EvilSporkMan, nope widnows dpoesnt configure my sound car, it just make it sound really nasty =P and froze some times`
`04:59.35`	`smacnay`	`Lee__: I am holding at 2.6.8 due to my nvidia driver.`
`04:59.41`	`EvilSporkMan`	`prjktdtnt: I prefer "Winblows"`
`05:00.02`	`tereais`	`i agree with winblows`
`05:00.10`	`smacnay`	`I see 2.6.12`
`05:00.12`	`prjktdtnt`	`EvilSporkMan: you could call it what my Introduction to Personal Computers calls it...Virus`
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`05:00.24`	`bushito`	`hey hey hey windows is a good OS =) only with bad managers`
`05:00.26`	`prjktdtnt`	`err Into to PC's Teacher even`
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`05:00.58`	`dgtlhoon`	`how do i tell what gcc version a kernel module was compiled with?`
`05:01.03`	`fbi`	`bushido: now you can play with alsamixer to set all your levels and use alsactl to save them`
`05:01.08`	`prjktdtnt`	`bushito: ROFL LMAO HAHA right...winblows is one of the most horrible OSes...its just there for comp-stupid people`
`05:01.14`	`Gnea`	`dgtlhoon: modinfo <modulename>`
`05:01.35`	`prjktdtnt`	`fbi: what was that plugin mentioned earlier to allow more than one sound to overlap?`
`05:01.44`	`bushito`	`prjktdtnt, then why dont you make a beter one =) and go topper than windows`
`05:01.53`	Dasnipa`	`bushito, bad manager(S)? last time i checked you only had 1 option`
`05:01.56`	`fbi`	`plugin? i don't recall...`
`05:02.02`	`smacnay`	`Is etch "testing"?`
`05:02.10`	`Supaplex`	`!testing`
`05:02.10`	`dpkg`	`A release phase between frozen (stable) and unstable. Etch is now testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Note that testing and security updates mix complexly. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release.`
`05:02.11`	`fbi`	`smacnay: yes`
`05:02.13`	`dgtlhoon`	`Gnea, hmm doesnt say exactly`
`05:02.15`	`prjktdtnt`	`bushito: cause i dont feel like it. I like linux...i'll stick with it :P`
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`05:02.19`	`dgtlhoon`	`ahh wait yes it does`
`05:02.22`	`bushito`	Dasnipa`, last time you checked what do you mean by that?
`05:02.23`	`dgtlhoon`	`vermagic: 2.6.10-1-k7 preempt K7 gcc-3.3`
`05:02.37`	`Gnea`	`dgtlhoon: sure it does`
`05:02.40`	`Gnea`	`gcc-3.3`
`05:02.41`	`bushito`	`prjktdtnt, windows user says same things about linux =)`
`05:02.43`	`dgtlhoon`	`Gnea, compiled a quickcam.ko driver but its saying the module is incorrect format for insmod'ing`
`05:02.51`	`dgtlhoon`	`and im using gcc3.3`
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`05:02.58`	`Gnea`	`dgtlhoon: cat /proc/version`
`05:03.08`	`dgtlhoon`	`so was seeing if the compiler im using is the same as the..`
`05:03.09`	`dgtlhoon`	`(gcc version 3.3.5`
`05:03.11`	`dgtlhoon`	`ahh :)`
`05:03.14`	`Gnea`	`dgtlhoon: then compare that version against gcc --version`
`05:03.15`	`Gnea`	`:)`
`05:03.16`	`fbi`	`i thought you weren't supposed to use insmod`
`05:03.20`	Dasnipa`	`yes, but windows users come to us when their "megahurtz are being h@x0red"`
`05:03.20`	`prjktdtnt`	`bushito: lol not me...i couldn't wait to have my own Linux box...i can't stand going back to winblows`
`05:03.47`	`Gnea`	`dgtlhoon: that's 2.6?`
`05:03.47`	Dasnipa`	`by an AOL botnet`
`05:04.04`	`Gnea`	`AOL is a bot`
`05:04.07`	`bushito`	`prjktdtnt, me neither i found linux so adjustable to me =), but you cannot throw to the garbage windows =P`
`05:04.22`	`dgtlhoon`	`gcc --version`
`05:04.22`	`dgtlhoon`	`gcc (GCC) 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)`
`05:04.36`	`prjktdtnt`	Dasnipa`: I have been h@x0r3d more than once by AOhell users when on winblows...it sucked
`05:04.47`	`amphi`	`dgtlhoon: you can try --force-vermagic but I have had bad experience with that`
`05:04.49`	`Gnea`	`dgtlhoon: look cat /proc/version aga`
`05:04.50`	`Gnea`	`again`
`05:05.18`	`prjktdtnt`	`bushito: sure I can...just use QEMU(i think thats what its called) and Emulate winblows for games :D`
`05:05.19`	`Gnea`	`here's mine that i compiled: (gcc version 3.4.4 20050314 (prerelease) (Debian 3.4.3-12)`
`05:05.23`	`Supaplex`	`Wendys > McDonalds`
`05:05.24`	Dasnipa`	`hehe`
`05:05.34`	`amphi`	`prjktdtnt: with the kernel module?`
`05:05.39`	`Gnea`	`Supaplex: In 'n Out > Wendys`
`05:05.43`	`bushito`	`prjktdtnt, okey you got my atention!!!`
`05:05.48`	`dli`	`do I need devfs for udev?`
`05:05.53`	`Supaplex`	`Gnea: when they're around, yea :)`
`05:05.55`	`fbi`	`Gnea: word`
`05:05.56`	`EvilSporkMan`	`dli: no, they conflict`
`05:05.58`	`Gnea`	`Supaplex: haha yeah`
`05:06.06`	`dli`	`EvilSporkMan, thanks`
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`05:06.06`	`bushito`	`prjktdtnt, is QEMU something like cedega???`
`05:06.14`	`fbi`	`double doubles are the best burgers on the planet`
`05:06.15`	`Gnea`	`fbi: i missed it when i moved back to the east coast`
`05:06.20`	`prjktdtnt`	`amphi: never looked any deeper into it but they talk about it in Linux System Administration (only 5 more quarters left)`
`05:06.38`	`fbi`	`Gnea: doesn't sonic make a good burger?`
`05:06.47`	`prjktdtnt`	`bushito: I tried the wine project and it was the closest thing I got to attempting winblows emulation`
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`05:06.53`	`prjktdtnt`	`fbi: Sonic Rules!`
`05:07.05`	`amphi`	`prjktdtnt: the kernel module makes it _much_ faster emulating x86 on x86`
`05:07.08`	`Gnea`	`fbi: haven't been there - but that's funny, considering they have sonic commercials all over new york state yet not one exists there, but they're all over arizona`
`05:07.22`	`fbi`	`heh`
`05:07.24`	`bushito`	`prjktdtnt, so is QEMU more advance than cedega???`
`05:07.28`	`Gnea`	`they look good tho`
`05:07.32`	`Gnea`	`there's one just around the corner`
`05:07.35`	`fbi`	`open one up, you'll make a killing`
`05:07.38`	`Gnea`	`heh`
`05:07.43`	`dgtlhoon`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:07.43`	`dgtlhoon`	`insmod: error inserting './quickcam.ko': -1 Invalid module format`
`05:07.44`	`Gnea`	`not that easy :)`
`05:07.44`	`prjktdtnt`	`bushito: like i said...never tried it...ask amphi cause its what i'm going to do`
`05:07.47`	`fbi`	`open up a sonic with a net cafe in it`
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`05:07.51`	`Gnea`	`the business politics of new york are...uhm`
`05:07.54`	`prjktdtnt`	`amphi any good links for this information?`
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`05:08.01`	`faxo`	`how do you find out the version of linux on a box when you don't have access to it`
`05:08.06`	`fbi`	`when i was in england the mcdonalds there all had net cafes`
`05:08.13`	`amphi`	`prjktdtnt: qemu.org? #qemu ?`
`05:08.21`	`Gnea`	`faxo: ask the owner`
`05:08.22`	`dgtlhoon`	`amphi, my insmod wont support that command`
`05:08.25`	`bushito`	`prjktdtnt, i have tried cedega and it got a lot of incompatibilities isues havent found a game that run in cedega =P`
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`05:08.39`	`faxo`	`Gnea, and if you only have ssh ?`
`05:08.40`	`prjktdtnt`	`bushito: try amphi's link^^`
`05:08.47`	`fbi`	`dgtlhoon: kernel version?`
`05:08.50`	`Gnea`	`faxo: use the commandline`
`05:08.55`	`amphi`	`dgtlhoon: modprobe - you should use modrobe rather than insmod; --force-vermagic may cause a kernel panic ;)`
`05:08.59`	`dgtlhoon`	`:)`
`05:09.02`	`faxo`	`Gnea, command ?`
`05:09.08`	`Gnea`	`dgtlhoon: try modprobe`
`05:09.10`	`bushito`	`wohooo`
`05:09.11`	`dgtlhoon`	`amphi, how do i tell modprobe to insert a module thats not in module deps?`
`05:09.14`	`faxo`	`uname -a doenst work`
`05:09.20`	`Gnea`	`it doesn't?`
`05:09.24`	`Gnea`	`why not?`
`05:09.30`	`amphi`	`dgtlhoon: why isn't it?`
`05:09.34`	`dgtlhoon`	`modprobe -f ./quickcam.ko`
`05:09.34`	`dgtlhoon`	`FATAL: Module ./quickcam.ko not found.`
`05:09.34`	`dgtlhoon`	`entreeserver:/home/leighm/qc-usb-messenger-0.8# ls -al quickcam.ko`
`05:09.34`	`dgtlhoon`	`-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 148987 2005-10-18 14:35 quickcam.ko`
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`05:09.35`	`dvsdude`	`faxo: u could try nmap the ip see what comes up`
`05:09.45`	`Gnea`	`heh`
`05:09.54`	`prjktdtnt`	`amphi: will the fact that i have the following kernel make a difference 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8`
`05:10.09`	`amphi`	`prjktdtnt: no idea`
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`05:10.14`	`dgtlhoon`	`oops`
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`05:10.20`	`prjktdtnt`	`amphi: well i guess I will let you know`
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`05:10.22`	`Gnea`	`!beer dgtlhoon`
`05:10.25`	`dgtlhoon`	`modprobe -f ./quickcam.ko gives FATAL: Module ./quickcam.ko not found.`
`05:10.32`	`faxo`	`Gnea, probably the admin has set up very low access to commands?`
`05:10.41`	`Gnea`	`dgtlhoon: you have to install the module into the module path and run depmod -a`
`05:10.47`	`amphi`	`dgtlhoon: why is the module in that eccentric location?`
`05:10.50`	`dgtlhoon`	`modprobe --force-vermagic -f quickcam`
`05:10.51`	`dgtlhoon`	`ahh`
`05:10.56`	`faxo`	`dvsdude, you mean, version of ports ect... ?`
`05:10.58`	`Gnea`	`faxo: it's possible. i've seen it done, and done it.`
`05:11.24`	`dvsdude`	`dgtlhoon: http://www.seismo.ethz.ch/linux/webcam.html`
`05:11.33`	`faxo`	`Gnea, interresting`
`05:11.39`	`faxo`	`thx guys will try`
`05:11.41`	`dvsdude`	`faxo: nmap can return os`
`05:11.59`	`faxo`	`dvsdude, woohuu exactly what am i looking for, thx buddy`
`05:12.17`	`dvsdude`	`faxo: use your power for good not evil`
`05:12.55`	`faxo`	`dvsdude, i'm on the right side of the force :]`
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`05:13.07`	`faxo`	`dvsdude, may the drugs be with you :]`
`05:13.10`	`wheee`	`fbi you still around?`
`05:13.13`	`faxo`	`hehehe lol just kidding`
`05:13.19`	`fbi`	`kinda`
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`05:13.27`	`fbi`	`what's up`
`05:13.57`	`fbi`	`getting ready for a bong rip and a flick`
`05:14.02`	`fbi`	`so make it snappy`
`05:14.09`	`encompass`	`ok, so I got a request back from the dhcp client and was bound to an ip address, but when I tried to ping anything it didn't work, unless it was me at 192.168.11.4`
`05:14.11`	`wheee`	`well gnome still wont let me change the res from 800x600 cept to 640x480 =\`
`05:14.15`	`Gnea`	`heh`
`05:14.20`	`dli`	`how do I choose to use gcc-3.4 instead of gcc-4`
`05:14.24`	`encompass`	`this is my wireless connection`
`05:14.29`	`fbi`	`wheee: did you reconfigure X`
`05:14.35`	`wheee`	`I did change the settings`
`05:14.38`	`encompass`	`is there a command that I forgot to do?`
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`05:14.56`	`Gnea`	`ln -sf /usr/bin/gcc-3.4 /usr/bin/gcc && ln -sf /usr/bin/gccbug-3.4 /usr/bin/gccbug`
`05:14.56`	`dvsdude`	`whe: best bet control video is XF86conig-4 or xorg.cong in /etc/X11`
`05:15.04`	`dondelelcaro`	`encompass: you probably don't have the right gateway set.`
`05:15.05`	`dli`	`encompass, I remember it's in "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"`
`05:15.19`	`dondelelcaro`	`encompass: or you've brought the interface up without actually being on a wireless network`
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`05:15.27`	`fbi`	`wheee: reconfigure X again, and only pick the resolution you want`
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`05:15.28`	`dvsdude`	`dli: or xf86cfg or xf86config`
`05:15.33`	`wheee`	`running dpgk- again showed that the changed were still there, even after a reboot`
`05:15.42`	`wheee`	`oh mm, okies`
`05:15.44`	`bushito`	`whats the package name for xorg??`
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`05:15.52`	`fbi`	`wheee: no need to reboot, restart X`
`05:15.52`	`dondelelcaro`	`bushito: xserver-xorg`
`05:15.54`	`dli`	`dvsdude, I think the debian way is dpkg-reconfigure`
`05:15.57`	`dondelelcaro`	`!tell bushito -about search`
`05:15.58`	`encompass`	`umm, I got the dhcp request returned and have an ip address, doesn't that mean I was talking to my router?`
`05:16.00`	`huhcool`	`Is there currently any way in Linux to view MSN user's webcams? I know Kopete is supposed to support em in the next version of KDE. (is that out yet) ? is there any other way yet?`
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`05:16.03`	`bushito`	`E: Couldn't find package xserver-xorg`
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`05:16.07`	`[bono]`	`Apache Question: im trying to put a JkMount directive inside a <Location> container... Why am i not allowed to do that?`
`05:16.08`	`smacnay`	`why would apt-get suddenly start balking at gpg stuff from the Blackdown site? I have never had a problem with this before.`
`05:16.10`	`amphi`	`encompass: what does iwconfig wlan0 show you?`
`05:16.13`	`dondelelcaro`	`bushito: if you're running stable, it doesn't have xorg.`
`05:16.14`	`dvsdude`	`dli: what ever works is ok by me its my choice lol`
`05:16.27`	`dondelelcaro`	`encompass: yes; but that doesn't mean that you have the right gateway set.`
`05:16.27`	`Gnea`	`[bono]: #apache`
`05:16.28`	`bushito`	`oh dang, i see =S`
`05:16.33`	`amphi`	`encompass: you could paste the output in #flood`
`05:16.48`	`encompass`	`dhclient one?`
`05:17.00`	`amphi`	`encompass: iwconfig wlan0`
`05:17.21`	`encompass`	`ok jsut a sec.. I have to do the driver again.. I didn't make anything permenent`
`05:17.30`	`encompass`	`it will be jsut s minute and I will be back`
`05:17.57`	`bushito`	`mmmm how about ati drivers whats the package name to get em??`
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`05:18.18`	`Gnea`	`!ati`
`05:18.18`	`dpkg`	`Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseAti`
`05:18.29`	`dvsdude`	`bushito: u can use apt-cache search ati to get pack name`
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`05:20.41`	`EvilSporkMan`	`if a program casts pointers to unsigned int, the way to fix that to make it work on 64-bit platforms as well is to change everything to unsigned long, right?`
`05:20.43`	`encompass`	`amphi:-o ok here is my outputs`
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`05:21.25`	`jonas21`	`if i have some ttf files, what is the preferred manner of installing them? I've tried the obvious places that google points me, and most of the fonts were installed, but some still aren't showing up`
`05:21.56`	`smacnay`	`to be more specific, I now get this error when updating from ftp.tux.org for Blackdown java: W: Conflicting distribution: ftp://ftp.tux.org testing Release (expected testing but got sarge)`
`05:22.27`	`smacnay`	`that is with this line in sources.list: deb ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/java/debian/ testing non-free`
`05:22.59`	`dli`	`can I ask make-kpkg to use two cpus in compiling? like "-j2"`
`05:23.06`	`fbi`	`smacnay: that's probably the repository for java`
`05:23.12`	`smacnay`	`same thing if I ask for "unstable".`
`05:23.12`	`fbi`	`just a wild guess`
`05:23.24`	`smacnay`	`fbi: so maybe there is some issue on their end?`
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`05:23.44`	`fbi`	`dunno, i never use java`
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`05:24.33`	`dererk`	`Hi! greetings everyone!`
`05:24.33`	`fbi`	`odd that you're getting an error about sarge`
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`05:24.46`	`dererk`	`I need a hand configuring enigmail`
`05:25.00`	`dererk`	`Anyone who has installed?`
`05:25.29`	`fbi`	`!anyone use`
`05:25.29`	`dpkg`	`No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it.`
`05:25.52`	`dererk`	`Yeah, yeah, I remember that, thanks fbi`
`05:26.06`	`fbi`	`no problem`
`05:26.08`	`kingsley__`	`dererk: Have tried searching Google's web and usenet archives?`
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`05:27.13`	`daniiiiiiiiiii`	`hello`
`05:27.13`	`dererk`	`kingsley__, Yes, but, for some reason, there is no configuration info about it, or it's in something terrible (windoze)`
`05:27.23`	`dvsdude`	`dererk: http://enigmail.mozdev.org/download.html`
`05:27.31`	`fbi`	`hi daniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii`
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`05:27.58`	`amphi`	`!nickometer daniiiiiiiiiii`
`05:27.58`	`dpkg`	`'daniiiiiiiiiii' is 0.000% lame, amphi`
`05:28.02`	`amphi`	`dear me`
`05:28.04`	`gentoothreefour`	`hi`
`05:28.07`	`fbi`	`you better register that nick, quick!`
`05:28.07`	`gentoothreefour`	`im bored`
`05:28.08`	`daniiiiiiiiiii`	`Could any1 tell me what could possibly cause that that init says dma is turned off on my hdd?`
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`05:28.35`	`dererk`	`fbi, What's the tip there?`
`05:28.36`	`daniiiiiiiiiii`	`yea ill do`
`05:28.42`	`kingsley__`	`daniiiiiiiiii: Have tried searching Google's web and usenet archives?`
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`05:28.44`	`daniiiiiiiiiii`	`with some more i like you said it`
`05:28.51`	`daniiiiiiiiiii`	`yea`
`05:28.57`	`daniiiiiiiiiii`	`havent find anything useful`
`05:29.00`	`dererk`	`fbi, Something cool with people who use long nicks?`
`05:29.10`	`fbi`	`huh?`
`05:29.18`	`dererk`	`Just asking :D`
`05:29.20`	`jonas21`	`i figured out my problem, but i wish i had some clue on what the exact steps i should take in the future are`
`05:29.25`	`jonas21`	`and what i did that was extraneous and what wasn't`
`05:30.15`	`fbi`	`daniiiiiiiiiii: apt-get install hdparm`
`05:30.41`	`servus`	`hdparm -d1 /dev/hda`
`05:30.57`	`servus`	`!nickometer servus`
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`05:31.12`	`amphi`	`servus: vanity`
`05:31.19`	`servus`	`Ambition!`
`05:31.23`	`bleck`	`how do i find out what files a package provides?`
`05:31.30`	`bleck`	`can apt-cache show this?`
`05:31.34`	`amphi`	`!nickometer l3m`
`05:31.38`	`stew`	`bleck: dpkg -L pkgname if its installed apt-file list pkgname if its not`
`05:31.39`	`jm_`	`no, apt-file can`
`05:32.29`	`prjktdtnt`	`X( Well that's frustrating...I am trying to build QEMU from source but make and make install retun a bunch of errors and it just doesnt work (if you would like I can #flood the errors)`
`05:32.42`	`daniiiiiiiiiii`	`thx fbi ill try that`
`05:32.54`	`servus`	`The 'lame nick-o-meter' reading for servus is 0.000%, servus. See. I knew.`
`05:32.55`	`amphi`	`prjktdtnt: ok; I've built qemu snapshots on sarge`
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`05:32.58`	`fbi`	`no problem`
`05:33.10`	`fbi`	`i'm off, later.`
`05:33.36`	`prjktdtnt`	`amphi: I was using regular ./configure, make, make install and any script I have done that to recently just Kills Over Dead on me`
`05:33.47`	`amphi`	`'keels'`
`05:33.59`	`jair`	`guys, a good solution for a server that is running samba (stand alone) for now and be able to make back ups from it, using rsync or tar?`
`05:34.04`	`bushito`	`how can i install all openoffice package with apt-get ???`
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`05:34.30`	`cy_`	`apt-get install openoffice.org`
`05:34.34`	`jair`	`bushito, apt-get install openoffice.org`
`05:34.45`	`bushito`	`thanks`
`05:35.19`	`jair`	`It is a way I can make back ups usign cron and tarball right?`
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`05:36.03`	`jair`	`for example if I have 20GB of old info that was backed up already the tarball or rsync will run the back up only copying new files?`
`05:36.24`	`dvsdude`	`jair: yes depending on rsync options`
`05:36.43`	`jair`	`dvsdude, I mean I can schedule that?`
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`05:36.54`	`jair`	`dvsdude, what do you mean with that?`
`05:37.50`	`dvsdude`	`jair: rsync with -r option will remove file that no longer exsist on the source man rysnc or google rsync examples`
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`05:37.59`	`cy_`	`jair; rsync -avz /source /dest # is what you might want...`
`05:38.06`	`cy_`	`yeah, man rsync`
`05:38.24`	`cy_`	`and try it out before you try it with teh data, else you may fsckitup...`
`05:38.25`	`dvsdude`	`jair: man and google ur friends`
`05:38.53`	`jair`	`dvsdude, nice ok`
`05:39.09`	`jair`	`dvsdude, it is possible to schedule the rsync ?`
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`05:39.26`	`jair`	`dvsdude, to do the back up or better using the tarball?`
`05:41.35`	`bleck`	`what package provides /usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID ?`
`05:41.55`	`dvsdude`	`jair: yes can schedule both rsync and tar u will need a bash shript and then get cron to call script`
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`05:42.16`	`basti_`	`hi all`
`05:42.22`	`basti_`	`I'm getting signal 11 when i try to start X11`
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`05:43.01`	`basti_`	`I tried: setting different resolutions, apt-get upgrade xserver-xorg`
`05:43.21`	`Gnea`	`HRM`
`05:43.28`	`Gnea`	`Oct 17 22:43:19 teletrantwo ptal-mlcd: ERROR at ExMgr.cpp:2559, dev=<mlc:usb:psc_1310_series_@/dev/usb/lp0>, pid=18100, e=1, t=1129614199 Couldn't set up MLC interface!`
`05:43.43`	`basti_`	`hmm. driver "nv" works, though`
`05:43.55`	`basti_`	`maybe i'll just stick to that for now.`
`05:44.00`	`Gnea`	`basti_: did you install nvidia?`
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`05:44.46`	`basti_`	`Gnea: yes`
`05:44.59`	`basti_`	`should i reinstall it?`
`05:45.08`	`Gnea`	`basti_: how did you install it?`
`05:45.13`	`FliesLikeABrick`	`if i have a 40gb drive to use for usr,opt,and var, how many gigs should i give to each of those?`
`05:45.38`	`basti_`	`with the package from nvidia.org... version 7676`
`05:45.47`	`basti_`	`"./NVIDIA-install-7676" etc.`
`05:46.13`	`cheal`	`!tell basti_ about nvidia-installer`
`05:46.35`	`Gnea`	`basti_: bad.`
`05:46.40`	`Gnea`	`basti_: no beer for you :)`
`05:46.43`	`basti_`	`mmmh`
`05:46.45`	`basti_`	`:P`
`05:46.49`	`dvsdude`	`FliesLikeABrick: depend how many users on system ull need /home as well,`
`05:47.01`	`FliesLikeABrick`	`dvsdude, i have everythign else taken care of`
`05:47.04`	`FliesLikeABrick`	`i'm just asking about these 3`
`05:47.08`	`basti_`	`i didn't know that it is that prone to problems... but thanks for the hint`
`05:47.11`	`Gnea`	`basti_: try this method....`
`05:47.15`	`FliesLikeABrick`	`i have an 80 gb raid mirror dedicated for /home dvsdude`
`05:47.17`	`Gnea`	`!nvidia one-liner`
`05:47.17`	`dpkg`	`well, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources>`
`05:47.19`	`FliesLikeABrick`	`dvsdude, it is for a server`
`05:47.46`	`dvsdude`	`FliesLikeABrick: np say /var 5gb /usr 10gb /opt 5gb`
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`05:48.27`	`FliesLikeABrick`	`dvsdude, 40 gig drive, thats only 20`
`05:48.35`	`basti_`	`ok works... just by reinstalling the driver...`
`05:48.53`	`basti_`	`never had that problem`
`05:48.56`	`sep`	`FliesLikeABrick, not bad to have 20 G free incase you need more somewhere later`
`05:48.57`	`basti_`	`thanks Gnea though`
`05:49.05`	`dvsdude`	`FliesLikeABrick: up the /var and /sur all i have in iopt is openoffice and sunjava everything else in /usr`
`05:49.17`	`FliesLikeABrick`	`good call sep`
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`05:50.21`	`dvsdude`	`FliesLikeABrick: or use 20GB backups`
`05:50.34`	`FliesLikeABrick`	`dvsdude, most of the system is already mirrored`
`05:51.04`	`bushito`	`amphi, so what would you said that is more stable, cedega or qemu??`
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`05:51.11`	`sep`	`FliesLikeABrick, and what kind of serer you build also say something of how big the partitions are. a dedicates server running 1 service need less space in /usr then a server running 10 different services. if you want mail or print spools you'd like a big /var also remember that cache is in /var so if you dont have a habit of cleaning out the apt archive it will grow as security updates come out`
`05:51.48`	`FliesLikeABrick`	`sep, it is a debian box running a ton of stuff: webserver, lots of fileserver stuff, voice (teamspeak/ventrilo) servers, ftp, gameservers`
`05:51.50`	`FliesLikeABrick`	`etc etc`
`05:52.21`	`FliesLikeABrick`	`sep, webserver for about 30 people`
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`05:52.30`	`FliesLikeABrick`	`the /home is a dedicated 80gb raid mirror`
`05:52.31`	`amphi`	`bushito: I know nothing about cedega`
`05:52.33`	`FliesLikeABrick`	`just because it does everything`
`05:52.35`	`FliesLikeABrick`	`gnite guys`
`05:52.51`	`amphi`	`bushito: qemu seems to work well`
`05:52.57`	`bushito`	`amphi, but have you played on qemu??`
`05:53.06`	`bushito`	`amphi, and what games have you tried??`
`05:53.24`	`amphi`	`bushito: games?`
`05:53.43`	`bushito`	`amphu, yeah, what games have you tried on qemu??`
`05:54.02`	`bushito`	`amphi, or does it support all kind of exe??`
`05:54.03`	`amphi`	`bushito: none - I use qemu for running various other OSes`
`05:54.04`	`cheal`	`basti_: by installing using nvidia-installer? you must mean going-to-make-it-break-stripes`
`05:54.08`	`bleck`	`!tell bleck about nvidia-installer`
`05:54.18`	`basti_`	`cheal: kinda yes.`
`05:54.20`	`cheal`	`!tell bleck about msg thebot`
`05:54.21`	`bushito`	`amphi, oh like vmware??`
`05:54.22`	`cheal`	`!tell bleck about msg the bot`
`05:55.08`	`bleck`	`cheal: fine if I knew which bot it was.`
`05:55.10`	`amphi`	`bushito: I believe it's different than vmware, qemu is an emulator not a virtualiser as I think vmware is`
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`05:55.24`	`bleck`	`sorry.`
`05:55.33`	`cheal`	`bleck: no problem, you know it's dpkg now`
`05:55.38`	`amphi`	`bushito: have a look at qemu.org perhaps`
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`05:57.09`	`bushito`	`amphi, lol sorry =) i am doing it right now XD`
`05:58.02`	`bleck`	`for some reason, kmix decides to respawn, and keeps showing this OSD volume control on the screen. anyone know how to fix?`
`05:58.30`	`bleck`	`how could I find out what process loads another?`
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`05:59.04`	`jair`	`dvsdude, nice`
`05:59.19`	`jair`	`dvsdude, I will start looking in google about those examples`
`05:59.21`	`bleck`	`only thing I can think of, is somehow kmix is detecting the volume being changed from a multimedia kb key being stuck or something.`
`05:59.49`	`bleck`	`as, if I change the volume, it goes back to nothing.`
`05:59.52`	`dvsdude`	`jair: cool`
`05:59.57`	`bleck`	`s/if/when`
`06:00.13`	`saik0`	`Anybody know how to make hiddev devices? (Hoe do i?)`
`06:00.15`	`jair`	`dvsdude, do you haveany to recommend me or a web site?`
`06:00.26`	`bleck`	`only thing I can think of to fix it is removing kmix (which I don't want to do)`
`06:01.01`	`dvsdude`	`jair: http://freebsd.peon.net/quickies/21/`
`06:01.20`	`dvsdude`	`bleck: chmod 000 kmix`
`06:01.27`	`jair`	`dvsdude, cool it does not matter that i am a debian user?`
`06:01.43`	`dvsdude`	`jair: rsync is rsync`
`06:01.58`	`spoonman-`	`!xinetd`
`06:02.12`	`dvsdude`	`jair: most config files etc will be same`
`06:03.07`	`dvsdude`	`jair: i look help info all linux distro and apply it to the distro as needed`
`06:04.47`	`usn_router`	`hi folx`
`06:05.03`	`bleck`	`dvsdude: heh ok :)`
`06:05.46`	`bleck`	`trying to use a program, and it keeps saying Shared memory disabled, no SHMconfig or something similar in XF86Config`
`06:06.06`	`bleck`	`anyone know the option to enable shared memory (whatever that does) in xorg.conf?`
`06:06.13`	`wheee`	`okies im baffled, anyone know how to make gnome honor the x configuration?`
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`06:07.16`	`rafx`	`are Deb and Ian still involved with Debian?`
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`06:07.19`	`hunterp`	`i cant run a console mp3 player from cron (alarm clock) because it says it can't find a terminal`
`06:07.35`	`encompasss`	`are you root?`
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`06:07.54`	`hunterp`	`no`
`06:08.22`	`amphi`	`hunterp: ogg123 runs fine from my crontab`
`06:08.28`	`dvsdude`	`have u trieded as root`
`06:08.49`	`hunterp`	`oh ic. mp3blaster is curses`
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`06:09.40`	`stew`	`rafx: i don't think deb ever was, ian is currently in the new maintainer queue waiting to become a debian developer`
`06:10.06`	`hunterp`	`amphi: does that play mp3?`
`06:10.07`	`bleck`	`'please enable X shared memory config' - anyone know how to do this?`
`06:10.17`	`amphi`	`hunterp: nope; mpg123 does`
`06:10.20`	Dasnipa`	`is deb ians wife? or inflatable playmate?`
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`06:10.40`	`dvsdude`	`i think wife in honor of her`
`06:11.19`	`Miha-pihaa`	`i just install debian. How can i see what packages i have instaled? Thx`
`06:11.36`	Dasnipa`	`package manager`
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`06:11.58`	`stew`	`!wikifaq Miha-pihaa PackageManagement`
`06:11.59`	`dpkg`	`Miha-pihaa: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/PackageManagement or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/`
`06:12.00`	Dasnipa`	`!synaptic`
`06:12.00`	`dpkg`	`[synaptic] the Conectiva APT front-end, uses the WINGS toolkit for the GUI, see http://www.nongnu.org/synaptic/ , or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/workstation/synaptic.png`
`06:12.02`	`wheee`	`Miha-pihaa, aptitute`
`06:12.02`	`Miha-pihaa`	`is there any list in console maybe?`
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`06:12.19`	`Miha-pihaa`	`aha`
`06:12.21`	`Miha-pihaa`	`thx :)`
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`06:14.36`	`rafx`	`stew: seriously? it would be interesting to get Ian back as a developer. i thought he'd be too busy with his ventures`
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`06:16.47`	`starscalling`	`hrm`
`06:17.27`	`weissi`	`hi guys, is there a possibility to disable swapping for one process/process group? e.g. for a db-server (on linux 2.4/2.6)`
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`06:18.21`	`stew`	`rafx: https://nm.debian.org/nmstatus.php?email=imurdock%40progeny.com`
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`06:19.09`	`encompasss`	`when you do iwconfig what is the quality suppost to mean... like a percentage?`
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`06:20.35`	`deadcat`	`what the f is up with bash. cant use quotes to rename files?`
`06:21.15`	`bleck`	`I am using the nvidia driver for X, and compared to the "nv" driver, all the fonts are way larger. anyone else experience the same problem?`
`06:21.21`	`deadcat`	`nevermind. but still strange. i tried "B<tab> it used to complete it with "B blah blah.mp3" now it becomes B\ blah\ blah.mp3`
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`06:21.50`	`bleck`	`deadcat:i agree, I have the same prob. must be bash.`
`06:21.55`	`deadcat`	`ha.`
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`06:21.56`	`deadcat`	`ya`
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`06:22.05`	`deadcat`	`since i did an upgrade recently`
`06:22.05`	`pacman`	`completion is only a suggestion... but why do you care? the point is you don't have to type it all out.`
`06:22.07`	`weissi`	`deadcat: that's normal for bash, no?`
`06:22.10`	`amphi`	`deadcat: it's normal for bash to escape spaces with \s`
`06:22.28`	`deadcat`	`pacman: no. it puts the escape now i have to do more work`
`06:22.36`	`deadcat`	`weissi: no.`
`06:22.38`	`bleck`	`it is normal, just would like to use "'s`
`06:22.47`	`pacman`	`would you rather type the "" version out, the long way, just because you don't think the backslashes are pretty enough?`
`06:23.23`	`bleck`	`pacman: just would like to be able to paste strings.`
`06:23.33`	`deadcat`	`it used to use "blah blah blah" when you mv "blah<tab> now it becomes blah\ blah\ blah even you mv "blah<tab>`
`06:23.37`	`bleck`	`without backtracking and inserting \'s`
`06:23.52`	`deadcat`	`try that on an old bash shell.`
`06:23.55`	`deadcat`	`older.`
`06:23.58`	`deadcat`	`as in stable`
`06:24.16`	`pacman`	`deadcat: what I'm asking is what's WRONG with the backslashes? it works the same.`
`06:25.10`	`deadcat`	`pacman: i dont know what you mean but its not workign for me.`
`06:25.18`	`pacman`	`as far as I can remember, zsh has always done completion with the backslashes. Which seems like the right thing to do, since completion often gives you only part of the filename, when there is more than one match.`
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`06:25.57`	`pacman`	`are you saying that the completion is not giving you a workable command line?`
`06:26.02`	`weissi`	`deadcat: for me bash escapes with \s except if I do e.g. $touch "ab cd de"; ls "ab<TAB> --> ls "ab cd de"`
`06:26.16`	`deadcat`	`weissi: ya. what version you using?`
`06:26.30`	`deadcat`	`weissi: 3.0-17 here`
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`06:26.49`	`pacman`	`deadcat, please elaborate on what part is coming out wrong. Using backslashes for quoting is not wrong.`
`06:27.02`	`deadcat`	`pacman: what weissi said.`
`06:27.16`	`weissi`	`deadcat: 2.05b`
`06:27.22`	`deadcat`	`weissi: ah. (= stable`
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`06:27.54`	`pacman`	`deadcat, I understand that behavior may have changed. What I'm asying is EVEN IF YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THAT, the new behavior is not WRONG. it is just a different way of accomplishing the SAME THING. mv "a b c" foo ; mv a\ b\ c foo ; both are the SAME command.`
`06:28.02`	`weissi`	`deadcat: at home I've 3.??? but I didn't remark that completition has changed... (my workstation isn't up, so I can't test it...)`
`06:28.27`	`weissi`	`pacman: right`
`06:28.53`	`deadcat`	`pacman: i know. but i have files like: mv B\ Witched\ -\ Hey\ Mickey\!\ _Bring\ It\ On\ Soundtrack_.mp3 B\ Witched\ -\ Hey\ Mickey\!.mp3`
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`06:29.24`	`pacman`	`that looks like a valid command to me...`
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`06:29.32`	`woockash`	`hello ppl :)`
`06:29.43`	`deadcat`	`pacman: and i want to make it easy for me to change the name if its "b witched - hey mickey!.mp3" i can move around and add/remove without worrying about the backslash`
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`06:30.15`	`deadcat`	`pacman: that is. since i have to carefully look at the filename`
`06:30.17`	`servus`	`pacman: Can't use ! in "" like that.`
`06:30.24`	`pacman`	`oh, so it's a matter of being less convenient to edit the command after completion...`
`06:30.26`	`servus`	`deadcat: Try '!'.`
`06:30.27`	`woockash`	`i'd like to discuss submiting a bugreport, is there a special channel for this purpose?`
`06:30.40`	`pacman`	`hmm... zsh actually does complete with "" or '' if you start the filename that way. I would never have thought to try it :)`
`06:30.44`	`deadcat`	`nevermind. forget it. its not just the !`
`06:30.59`	`kevix`	`woockash, just ask...`
`06:31.12`	`ke6isf`	`!ask`
`06:31.12`	`dpkg`	`If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org`
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`06:31.25`	`woockash`	`kevix: well i have a problem with openswan...`
`06:31.45`	`woockash`	`well that's nice :)`
`06:31.48`	`woockash`	`i'll ask`
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`06:32.17`	`pacman`	`I'd be sending a pair of patches for Bug#318081 right now if I could get to my mailreader...`
`06:32.30`	`deadcat`	`i have a file name B\ Witched\ -\ Hey\ Mickey\!\ _Bring\ It\ On\ Soundtrack_.mp3, i want to make it look like B Witched - Hey Mickey!.mp3, and the best way is to complete it to "B Witched - Hey Mickey! _Bring It On Soundtrack_.mp3" and take out the things i dont need instead of all the \ before every space`
`06:32.49`	`deadcat`	`pacman: now you kwno what i mean?`
`06:33.08`	`stew`	`deadcat: if you put a leading " in it will not put in backslashes in the completion, it will use "..." instead`
`06:33.20`	`deadcat`	`pacman: i know if you start with b, it goes b\ blah, but i usually start mp3 files with "b since i use space rather than _`
`06:33.27`	`weissi`	`no kernel-gurus here???`
`06:33.30`	`deadcat`	`stew: not on the latest bash`
`06:33.37`	`deadcat`	`stew: thats what i am complaining`
`06:33.44`	`pacman`	`I sort of understand. You think it's easier to edit the filename if it doesn't have a lot of backslashes in it. And more importantly, you're upset that it changed underneath you. If I had ever known about that feature, and got used to it, I might be upset too if it disappeared.`
`06:34.00`	`stew`	`deadcat: ask in bash, they might have made it a shopt`
`06:34.06`	`stew`	`#bash that is`
`06:34.08`	`amphi`	`or don't put spaces in filenames`
`06:34.09`	`deadcat`	`pacman: hehe`
`06:34.15`	`deadcat`	`stew: ok`
`06:34.20`	`pacman`	`but since I never knew about it, and don't use bash anyway, it's just mildly funny to watch others suffer.`
`06:34.30`	`deadcat`	`amphi: ^^ read my last msg`
`06:34.30`	`ke6isf`	`weissi: Try in #kernel`
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`06:35.04`	`stew`	`deadcat: this changed from 3.00.16 to 3.00.17?`
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`06:35.54`	`deadcat`	`stew: ya. but when i echo $BASH_VERSION it shows 3.00.16, dpkg -l shows 17`
`06:36.45`	`nekostar`	`um`
`06:36.48`	`nekostar`	`sirs:`
`06:36.55`	`nekostar`	`how can i change my identd on linux?`
`06:37.18`	`sep`	`nekostar, login as another user`
`06:37.29`	`nekostar`	`i am in as my own user`
`06:37.38`	`nekostar`	`and even though user == starz`
`06:37.39`	`sep`	`or did you mean change the identd server into another identd server`
`06:37.46`	`dimir`	`Morning`
`06:37.47`	`nekostar`	`xchat insists its mink`
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`06:37.51`	`ke6isf`	`sep: Could you perhaps elaborate?`
`06:37.55`	`nekostar`	`i want to make dam sure its me`
`06:37.56`	`kevix`	`nekostar, 'su' ?`
`06:38.11`	`nekostar`	`ok`
`06:38.13`	`nekostar`	`now what?`
`06:38.42`	`tralala`	`nekostar: explore the xchat options`
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`06:39.08`	`nekostar`	`tralala: it uses native identd`
`06:39.12`	`kevix`	`nekostar, how are you authenticating your identity? ssh key, gpg, photo id?`
`06:39.15`	`nekostar`	`identd is not included wiht it`
`06:39.28`	`nekostar`	`kevix: i have absolutely no clue how`
`06:39.33`	`nekostar`	`unless you mean my password`
`06:39.35`	`nekostar`	`:/`
`06:39.44`	`nekostar`	`normal no ssh`
`06:39.49`	`nekostar`	`seems its time i guess`
`06:39.51`	`nekostar`	`but`
`06:39.57`	`kevix`	`nekostar, are you talking about upgrading from identd to xidentd ?`
`06:40.02`	`ke6isf`	`!tell nekostar -about enter`
`06:40.08`	`nekostar`	`why would <<<--- IDENTD == != my user?`
`06:40.18`	`bbrazil`	`kevix: isn't that inetd?`
`06:40.22`	`bbrazil`	`nekostar: NAT`
`06:40.33`	`tralala`	`nekostar: I'm sorry I don't seem to get your question`
`06:40.55`	`nekostar`	`when i join say 3 servers 2 go as this user 1 goes as the other. this idend == mink i currently have apparently here.. its not any of my users anywhere,,`
`06:40.57`	`ke6isf`	`nekostar: We can probably help, but you're not giving us enough information to work with. Please elaborate.`
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`06:41.11`	`nekostar`	`im trying to ke6isf and i do appreciate it.`
`06:41.13`	`kevix`	`nekostar, who is checking your identity. (please do not abbreviate, use full words!)`
`06:41.16`	`sep`	`nekostar, if all you want to do is change the username show on irc. then alter the username field in xchat.`
`06:42.20`	`nekostar`	`username!identd@hostmask <<-- identd is not what my username is on linux for some reason. i identify to nickserv on each of the 3 networks. no ssl, nothing fancy.`
`06:42.49`	`ke6isf`	`nekostar: Ah, OK. You are confusing the hostmask content.`
`06:43.02`	`nekostar`	`how so?`
`06:43.08`	`kevix`	`nekostar, so this is about setting up your chat client?`
`06:43.13`	`nekostar`	`no`
`06:43.22`	`nekostar`	`kevix: that has nothing to do with setting up xchat`
`06:43.24`	`ke6isf`	`nekostar: What that is actually is ircnick!username@hostmask . identd, see, doesn't identify individual users, it identifies clients.`
`06:43.43`	`ke6isf`	`nekostar: Or rather, it identifies the machine.`
`06:43.48`	`ke6isf`	`...or I could be wrong...`
`06:43.56`	`nekostar`	`no thats wrong sorry :/`
`06:43.59`	`nekostar`	`let me show you:`
`06:44.11`	`sep`	`nekostar, the username is taken from the username field in xchat. unless you have an identd server running witch you dont have as default`
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`06:44.46`	`sep`	`you dont need an identd server, you can just alter the username field in xchat to match... or just not care at all since it's pointless`
`06:44.47`	`starscalling`	`i have something else in as identd here... let me change it to demonstrate`
`06:45.00`	`nekostar`	`how can i change that sep?`
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`06:45.13`	`sep`	`nekostar, the field that say username in the serverlist in xchat`
`06:45.17`	`ke6isf`	`!identd`
`06:45.17`	`dpkg`	`from memory, identd is if you want identd for ipmasq, ask me about midentd or if it just disappeared, ask me about netstd or lame and annoying, or oidentd, a good identd, that does masquerading from a single file, or nullidentd, not relaying to internal boxen, or read RFC1413`
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`06:45.55`	`nekostar`	`my user name is starz for this client`
`06:46.36`	`nekostar`	`thats the problem. the ircd is not listening to my client, or its not listening to itselt? either way i have never used mink on this, and i would love to fix it`
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`06:49.28`	`starscalling`	`.`
`06:49.30`	`ke6isf`	`nekostar: Why are you running identd then? Why not just discard identd and run all options from within xchat?`
`06:50.33`	`sep`	nekostar, are you on a nated network ?`
`06:50.49`	`stew`	`ke6isf: "nekostar [n=starz@cpe-66-75-82-58.socal.res.rr.com]" he doesn't appear to be running identd`
`06:51.10`	`sep`	`rejoined now and is running nekostar (i=mink@cpe-66-75-82-58.socal.res.rr.com`
`06:51.35`	`stew`	`oh, missed that`
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`06:51.48`	`nekostar`	`im still here`
`06:51.58`	`TwistedEmotions`	`!seen deadcat`
`06:51.58`	`dpkg`	`deadcat is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 26234 messages. Is idling for 16m 4s`
`06:52.08`	`sep`	`nekostar, if you are beeing natted, then the identd request will go to your firewall not to your computer.`
`06:52.17`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: hey babe`
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`06:52.27`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: haha what up pimpin..`
`06:52.35`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: my essay is killing me (=.`
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`06:53.31`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: essay on what?`
`06:53.34`	`bleck`	`anyone having font problems (size too big) with nvidia driver?`
`06:53.44`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: the book fast food nation.`
`06:54.10`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: what is tripping you up?`
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`06:54.26`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: the whole thing (=..`
`06:54.29`	`nekostar`	`ok`
`06:54.32`	`nekostar`	`thats just wierd`
`06:54.40`	`nekostar`	`it connects correctly`
`06:54.52`	`woockash`	`i have a problem with openswan 1:2.4.0-3 i'm running Debian testing - kernel 2.4.26, after making apt-get dist upgrade (which upgraded openswan to that version) during stopping ipsec i got an error "kernel: Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 2d8160c0" (and then a lot of output). another symptom is that command "ip xfrm state" (and also "setkey -D") go into interruptible sleep, so only hardware reset can kill them (ipsec startup & shu`
`06:54.58`	`TwistedEmotions`	`hahaha more work less complain`
`06:55.03`	`deadcat`	`hehe`
`06:55.04`	`nekostar`	`then when i quit and restarted right there with an autojoin it comes back as mink.`
`06:55.33`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: by the way the zd1211 cant connect to aps that are hidden. which is what i have. thats why it doesnt work. .. yet`
`06:56.51`	`woockash`	`i overcome the openswan hang problem by manually editing the script containing ip xfrm commands, but now i'm unable to run openswan... should i send a bugreport on this?`
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`06:57.06`	`Dewi`	`where do I go for fedora core help? #fedora?`
`06:57.31`	`deadcat`	`ya`
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`06:57.55`	`bushito`	`deadcat =P!!`
`06:58.02`	`deadcat`	`(=`
`06:58.15`	`bushito`	`is it you who is using conky or is it another cat??`
`06:58.25`	`deadcat`	`me`
`06:58.26`	`bushito`	`XD i forgot the anem =S`
`06:58.44`	`bushito`	`ahh that dang conky >_>`
`06:58.50`	`deadcat`	`hehe`
`06:58.55`	`bushito`	`it amde me break my libs`
`06:58.57`	`bushito`	`=P and apt`
`06:59.03`	`bushito`	`are you running unstable??`
`06:59.40`	`deadcat`	`ya`
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`07:00.41`	`bushito`	`so you must have kde 3.4 and al that stuff, so you dont got broken package and dependecies??`
`07:01.07`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: What? are you sure it doesnt connect to AP's that are hidden?`
`07:01.24`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: ya. either hidden or hidden with wep`
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`07:02.54`	`mkl1525`	`Hi, I'd like to mirror some files from a windows shared directory to a linux box (best with rsync). Is it necessary to install rsync on the win box (and is this even possible)? Or is there a better way to keep the directories an both sides in sync and what would be the best way to handle conflicts when changes were made on both sides?`
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`07:03.28`	`pacman`	`handle conflicts? are you trying to use rsync as a CVS replacement?`
`07:03.51`	`weissi`	`mkl1525: you don't need rsync on win. You can mount it locally on linux and do an "local" rsync...`
`07:04.00`	`kevix`	`!unison`
`07:04.00`	`dpkg`	`methinks unison is a nice tool to synchronise files between two systems, it uses the rsync transferprotocol and can be used over ssh or over socket, apt-get install unison, or at http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/`
`07:04.12`	`cheal`	`Dewi: surprisingly. but you could ask #gentoo what they think about it`
`07:05.19`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: send me your paper when it's done.. I will try and clean it up for you.`
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`07:05.56`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Anyone know where/how I can get a good deal on cable tv? (without stealing)`
`07:05.56`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: thanks. i will do that tomorrow (=`
`07:05.59`	`bleck`	`how can I get modelines for my tft screen?`
`07:06.03`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: ;)`
`07:06.03`	`weissi`	`mkl1525: dpkg is right, unison is even cooler, if you really want to sync. but it's still true, you can install it on win and do a remote sync, but you mustn't...`
`07:06.18`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: Comcast trying to charge me 45$ a month ;P`
`07:06.41`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: haha. my friend in sj is stealing. just plug into that thing in the garage. since the apartment used to have cable`
`07:06.57`	`Dewi`	`cheal: I'd love to migrate this fedora sucker to debian. But that'll be in the future`
`07:06.58`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: apartments ;(`
`07:07.06`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: damn just buy one of those tv card for like $250 and it has shitloads of channels.`
`07:07.22`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: tv card?`
`07:07.29`	`deadcat`	`ya. let me search it`
`07:07.35`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: a black card?`
`07:07.39`	`deadcat`	`nop`
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`07:07.50`	`amphi`	`Dewi: debtakeover ;)`
`07:08.17`	`kevix`	`deadcat, hauppague(sp?) makes cheap ones.`
`07:08.33`	`deadcat`	`TwistedEmotions: http://www.penlug.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DigitalTelevision`
`07:08.43`	`deadcat`	`kevix: not the regular tv card. those we have hehe`
`07:08.45`	`bleck`	`how come you have to generate modelines? can't it use dtms (or some acronym similar) for the monitor to say what it can support?`
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`07:09.04`	`mkl1525`	`dpkg, weissi thanks for your suggestions seems really helpful`
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`07:10.02`	`kevix`	`mkl1525, actually 'dpkg' is a bot. I asked it to display the info. x-)`
`07:10.20`	`mkl1525`	Kevin`_, ouch :)
`07:10.41`	`bleck`	`.dpkg likes compliments too :)`
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`07:11.42`	`bleck`	`kevix: thanks.`
`07:11.57`	`jm_`	`!tell bleck -about modeline`
`07:12.01`	`bleck`	`how do I find the maximum dot clock`
`07:12.17`	`jm_`	`read the manual`
`07:12.35`	`kevix`	`bleck, its the one before the smoke comes out of the monitor!`
`07:12.37`	`jm_`	`or check manufacturer's web page for the specs`
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`07:13.25`	`bleck`	`jm_: its a laptop, I can't find anything on the monitor specifics on dell's website. tis ok, thanks for your help.`
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`07:15.45`	`jm_`	`bleck: really? not even resolution or refresh rates?`
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`07:17.09`	`kevix`	`bleck, any info from 'lspci' ?`
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`07:30.30`	`cheal`	`today's chealing quote : always try starting MySQL 6 times before saying it's broken`
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`07:32.25`	`gloin`	`hey, someone interested in maintaining the samba package please can look at this? http://www.stillhq.com/samba/`
`07:32.34`	`gloin`	`seriously, I've got the same problem as this guy, and it's teh-lame`
`07:32.38`	`gloin`	`on sid no less`
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`07:35.06`	`tarzeau`	`is there a command to get the horizontal cursor position?`
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`07:35.39`	`cheal`	`gloin: and what's your question? why would someone look at that?`
`07:35.47`	`gloin`	`cheal:`
`07:36.04`	`gloin`	`because 3.0.14 is ancient in samba terms`
`07:36.06`	`jm_`	`tarzeau: sure`
`07:36.08`	`gloin`	`it's a blocker of a bug`
`07:36.32`	`cheal`	`gloin: so what?`
`07:36.34`	`gloin`	`and debian tracker says it's fixed upstream (which is true) but the current sid is still that geriatric code`
`07:36.45`	`tarzeau`	`jm_: which is it?`
`07:36.49`	`kevix`	`tarzeau, in an xterm, in X windows? where?`
`07:36.53`	`gloin`	`cheal: so it's time to update the bloody package`
`07:37.04`	`tarzeau`	`kevix: in any terminal or console`
`07:37.14`	`tarzeau`	`kevix: why does it matter? it doesn't.`
`07:37.29`	`cheal`	`gloin: and...? why bring this on #debian?`
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`07:37.43`	`jm_`	`tarzeau: man console_codes, check xterm's escape sequences - you can also find functions for this in ncurses/slang/...`
`07:37.54`	`gloin`	`http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=309836`
`07:38.43`	`gloin`	`the crickets have taken over on the bug, and I felt like bringing some light on it`
`07:39.19`	`bushito`	`how do i use bittornado to download .torrent from desktop??`
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`07:39.33`	`tarzeau`	`jm_: well there is CPR, but i keep getting ;1R`
`07:39.38`	`drp`	`bushito: bt-gui I think`
`07:40.17`	`tarzeau`	`jm_: like it's missing the line number before the ;`
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`07:40.43`	`jm_`	`tarzeau: nah, it's not - it's just your terminal eating it, try stracing it`
`07:40.50`	`cheal`	`gloin: I don't see which light you bring...there are no recent replies to the report`
`07:41.13`	`gloin`	`cheal: it's been marked fixed-upstream for starters`
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`07:41.38`	`gloin`	`one sec and I'll bring in the link from gerry carter pointing up the fix`
`07:41.47`	`cheal`	`gloin: are you Steve Langasek?`
`07:41.51`	`gloin`	`https://bugzilla.samba.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2973#c2`
`07:41.55`	`gloin`	`cheal: I am not.`
`07:42.03`	`tarzeau`	`jm_: any way i can put this in a variable and print it?`
`07:42.18`	`drp`	`how can you tell what version of xterm you are running (I tried xterm --version)`
`07:42.20`	`cheal`	`gloin: so I still don't see what light you're talking about`
`07:42.33`	`drp`	`was just wondering if my version supports transparent backgrounds`
`07:42.56`	`widrone`	`gloin: That bug is marked fixed-upstream and pending.`
`07:43.01`	`starscalling`	`could anyone recommend a simple bandwidth monitor? one that measures speed? iftop and iptraf dont seem to fit me :)`
`07:43.14`	`gloin`	`pending...`
`07:43.18`	`widrone`	`starscalling: ntop?`
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`07:43.22`	`jm_`	`starscalling: jnettop`
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`07:43.59`	`starscalling`	`thankyou`
`07:44.03`	`kevix`	`cheal, if he was he'd be 'vorlon', no?`
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`07:44.29`	`cheal`	`kevix: ;)`
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`07:45.13`	`cheal`	`kevix: I'm just trying to make him realize he's not bringing anything useufl`
`07:45.14`	`kevix`	`!bandwidth monitor`
`07:45.55`	`jm_`	`tarzeau: in shell?`
`07:46.09`	`pacman`	`nagging Debian people to include upstream bugfixes is worse than unuseful... they'll leave the bug in for 5 years out of spite`
`07:46.10`	`tarzeau`	`jm_: yes`
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`07:46.28`	`tarzeau`	`pacman: says who? which bug? which software?`
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`07:46.50`	`cheal`	`pacman: nobody nagged in the BTS, which is the important thing :)`
`07:46.59`	`bushito`	`hhhm stills, how do i use bittorrent to download things T_T?`
`07:47.44`	`pacman`	`I just submitted a pair of patches to fix a gdb segfault (part of the problem was in gcc, the other part in gdb), let's see how long it takes for them to get somewhere`
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`07:50.27`	`pacman`	`actually I guess my problem goes the other way, I've submitted patches to Debian BTS hoping the package maintainer will do the necessary groveling to get them included upstream, and it hasn't ever worked.`
`07:51.16`	`starscalling`	`how do i kill a running process if i dont know the pid but i do know the name?`
`07:51.44`	`Gnea`	`pacman: are you sure you're submitting the patches to the right people?`
`07:51.45`	`weissi`	`startscalling: killall`
`07:51.47`	`pacman`	`use "/sbin/pidof" to get the pid of the process.`
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`07:52.32`	`jm_`	`tarzeau: can't think of a simple way`
`07:52.32`	`Gnea`	kill `pidof processname`
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`07:53.06`	`starscalling`	`ok i must be crazy then`
`07:53.26`	`starscalling`	`or have installed something wrong :P which is more likely`
`07:53.37`	`tarzeau`	`jm_: i've solved it antoher way, thnks anyways :)`
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`07:54.16`	`jm_`	`tarzeau: how?`
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`07:54.27`	`weissi`	`startscalling: killall <progname>, e.g. killall cat; but attention: all instances of <progname> be killed...`
`07:54.27`	`tarzeau`	for a in `lshosts`; do echo\|nc -w1 $a 22 >/dev/null && ssh root@$a 'for n in `seq 1 10`; do if [ -d /export/data${n} ]; then printf "%-12s\t%s\n" $(hostname)${n} $(hostname):/export/data${n} ; fi; done' 2>/dev/null; done
`07:54.28`	`kevix`	`starscalling, pgrep ?`
`07:54.30`	`pacman`	`Gnea, want to see an example? #298582. How can a bug with a patch sit unanswered for so long? Not even a "we tried your patch and it didn't work", just silence`
`07:54.31`	`starscalling`	`i installed ntop, and then when i tried to run it it asked to be run as root. so i sudo ntop with the options i wan.t, but it complains that: FATAL_ERROR ....open of /var/lib/ntop/prefsCache.db failed: File open error and asks if another ntop is open or if something can write to that directory`
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`07:54.35`	`tarzeau`	`jm_: i've wanted two or one tab using echo ...`
`07:54.36`	`Blackhold`	`hello`
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`07:55.07`	`Blackhold`	`to add a script to the cron is "crontab -e" ?`
`07:55.11`	`starscalling`	`what am i doing wrong? should i chown or chmod that file?`
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`07:55.29`	`jm_`	`tarzeau: ahh`
`07:55.43`	`wombachi`	`Blackhold it opens your $EDITOR to add a cronjob in your crontab, yes`
`07:55.52`	`Blackhold`	`ok thanks`
`07:56.21`	`ToMMY2k`	`hello. Im trying to compile a kernel and a third party module (highpoint rocket raid card) the debian way. Using make-kpkg modules_image does not create the highpoint module even if I specify it using --added-modules=highpoint374. Could someone help me troubleshoot the problem please.`
`07:56.34`	`kevix`	`Blackhold, '-e' as in edit with $EDITOR`
`07:56.38`	`Blackhold`	`to separate the values is needed a backspace or with some spaces is ok?`
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`07:56.45`	`wombachi`	`Blackhold For "system" crontabs, you can check /etc/cron.d too`
`07:56.51`	`jm_`	`man 5 crontab`
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`07:57.19`	`Blackhold`	`now when I put crontab -e the file is empty`
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`07:57.25`	`widrone`	`starscalling: Hold on installing to y nslu for a test of it now.`
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`07:57.33`	`kevix`	`ToMMY2k, not sure but maybe 'module-assistant' can help.`
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`07:57.50`	`wombachi`	`Blackhold : of course, you have to fill it. Man -S5 crontab, really`
`07:57.55`	`bibe`	`ToMMY2k , you have to manually unpack the modules into /usr/src/modules`
`07:58.05`	`Blackhold`	`with backspace or spaces?`
`07:58.10`	`bibe`	`I mean, the module's sources`
`07:58.17`	`starscalling`	`thanx widrone`
`07:58.18`	`ToMMY2k`	`bibe: I have done that. My highpoint source files are in /usr/src/modules/highpoint374`
`07:58.30`	`starscalling`	`this linux thing is confusing but rewarding when it works`
`07:59.18`	`bibe`	`ToMMY2k : perfect. And are they packaged the debian way? do you have a /usr/src/modules/highpoint374/debian/rules file?`
`07:59.44`	`kevix`	`starscalling, kind of like crack!`
`07:59.52`	`ToMMY2k`	`bibe: ah...no I dont. They are generic source files from the highpoint website.`
`07:59.53`	`Blackhold`	`#minuts hores dia mes dia comanda`
`07:59.54`	`Blackhold`	`0 7 * * * /home/laura/backup07`
`07:59.54`	`Blackhold`	`0 23 * * * /home/laura/backup23`
`07:59.56`	`starscalling`	`but better kevix !`
`07:59.57`	`Blackhold`	`is that ok?`
`08:00.03`	`widrone`	`starscalling: My install process made a user for the deamon, seems to be working here. You on sarge?`
`08:00.18`	`starscalling`	`no im running that handicapped ubuntu :P`
`08:00.21`	`Blackhold`	`but weekends I don't want that script executes...`
`08:00.24`	`starscalling`	`how can i check if it made a user?`
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`08:00.53`	`bibe`	`ToMMY2k : ok. By the way, did you configure your /usr/src/<kernel_source_dir_here> ?`
`08:01.09`	`ToMMY2k`	`I have configured it, and built it`
`08:01.19`	`ToMMY2k`	`in fact Im running it`
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`08:01.35`	`bibe`	`ToMMY2k : ok, I was just asking if you were running your new kernel`
`08:01.40`	`ToMMY2k`	`:)`
`08:01.47`	`wombachi`	`Blackhold then "0 7 * * 1-5 /path/to/script". Read man -S 5 crontab`
`08:01.50`	`widrone`	`starscalling: cat /etc/c/passwd \| grep ntop`
`08:02.10`	`widrone`	`starscalling: It should maybe have prompted you, did with me.`
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`08:02.25`	`bibe`	`ToMMY2k : do you have /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/{build,sources} symlinks set properly?`
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`08:02.33`	`gloin`	`so does anyone know if eloy paris (peloy) has been extended-gone? Samba bugs really do look stacked up and nasty.`
`08:02.43`	`bibe`	`they should point to /usr/src/<kernel_source_dir_here>`
`08:02.48`	`starscalling`	`ah`
`08:02.49`	`gloin`	`peloy is listed as the maintainer`
`08:02.56`	`starscalling`	`seems it didnt prompt`
`08:02.59`	`ToMMY2k`	`bibe: Ill check..one sec`
`08:03.36`	`starscalling`	`all it did was start a daemon in the begining supposedly, but when i try to kill it none is supposedly running`
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`08:04.18`	`widrone`	`starscalling: starscalling : Look in the error msg it sends to /var/log mine dont just start out of the box either.`
`08:04.40`	`sep`	`whats the difference in the freeswan and the openswan packages ? i am looking for interoperabillity with other ipsec implementations. from zyxel and dlink`
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`08:05.01`	`ToMMY2k`	`bibe: I have to dissapear for about 30mins to do a video conference...Ill give you a shout when I get back but thanks for the help so far`
`08:05.06`	`Blackhold`	`is possible to say to server when the bakcup is made okay send me and e-mail?`
`08:05.20`	`Blackhold`	`with the resgistry of operation?`
`08:05.21`	`starscalling`	`hehe no log there`
`08:05.32`	`starscalling`	`i really should have just gone for sarge`
`08:05.52`	`sep`	`starscalling, famous last words`
`08:05.53`	`starscalling`	`i remember the packages playing together a bit more nicely XD`
`08:05.57`	`starscalling`	`yeah huh`
`08:06.05`	`starscalling`	`i get it on my servers when i have em`
`08:06.16`	`starscalling`	`hrm`
`08:06.22`	`starscalling`	`i might mess with it this weekend`
`08:06.48`	`wombachi`	`Blackhold Read the man page. man -S 5 crontab.`
`08:07.09`	`Blackhold`	`I'm reading it`
`08:07.15`	`widrone`	`starscalling: -u switch and maybe -A first time to get it going, it different since last time I looked at it. =/`
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`08:07.32`	`widrone`	`starscalling: good luck!`
`08:07.36`	`wombachi`	`Blackhold then search "MAILTO"`
`08:07.45`	`bibe`	`ToMMY2k : ok, send me a private msg just in the case I won't be looking at the channel`
`08:07.58`	`weissi`	`Blackhold: your_command -with_options; if [ $? -eq 0 ]; then BACKUP_STATE="ok"; else BACKUP_STATE="failed"; fi; echo $BACKUP_STATE \| mail -s "backup $BACKUP_STATE" your@email.addr`
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`08:09.11`	`weissi`	`Blackhold: this will send you an email with "ok" if the command succeded or "failed" if it doesn't. Did I correctly get your question???`
`08:09.17`	`starscalling`	`your a genius!`
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`08:09.57`	`Blackhold`	`ok thnks`
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`08:10.50`	`widrone`	`starscalling: You probably have a reason not to go sarge Im guessing...`
`08:10.56`	`starscalling`	`:/`
`08:11.03`	`starscalling`	`everyone says that <_<`
`08:11.11`	`starscalling`	`gimme a few weeks or something`
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`08:11.15`	`starscalling`	`ill be ready to mess up then XD`
`08:11.21`	`adamek`	`hi - where I can all ruless from iptables`
`08:11.26`	`adamek`	`is any file ?`
`08:11.29`	`wickedpuppy`	`man iptables ?`
`08:11.39`	`weissi`	`Blackhold: If you just want that crond sends you a email if one command fails: MAILTO="your@email.addr"`
`08:11.51`	`adamek`	`not man, rules`
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`08:12.44`	`wombachi`	`adamek iptables -L, but not sure I understood your question`
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`08:13.03`	`adamek`	`I want delete all rules and write new`
`08:13.12`	`adamek`	`at system start`
`08:13.25`	`kevix`	`adamek, iptables -F ?`
`08:13.53`	`sep`	`adamek, depends on how you start your rules the debian README have 5 different ways e dont know how you have done it`
`08:14.19`	`adamek`	`ok`
`08:14.21`	`adamek`	`thx`
`08:14.54`	`sep`	`adamek, for the overview start by looking at /usr/share/doc/iptables/*`
`08:15.21`	`wombachi`	`adamek perhaps all you want is /etc/init.d/iptables load xyz (or 'save xyz')?`
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`08:16.19`	`wombachi`	`at boot, /etc/init.d/iptables start loads the "active" ruleset, so /etc/init.d/iptables save active will use current rules for next reboots`
`08:16.30`	`adamek`	`thanks all`
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`08:17.57`	`kevix`	`wombachi, that's what I use.`
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`08:19.12`	`mkl1525`	`ok, had a look at unison and it seems like what I need, but there's one problem I'd like to run the synchronization automated so is there a way to get a mail with all files in conflicting state (or at least a list that I could send by mail)?`
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`08:20.26`	`avdyk`	`hi`
`08:20.32`	`avdyk`	`got problems with ext3`
`08:20.41`	`avdyk`	`it seems my JFS is corrupted someway`
`08:20.42`	`spoonman-`	`!samba-swat`
`08:20.45`	`avdyk`	`any idea?`
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`08:21.07`	`streuner`	`avdyk: reinstall of backups?`
`08:21.41`	`streuner`	`avdyk: if your FS is broken its no fun then...`
`08:22.12`	`avdyk`	`I've just reboot on an ubuntu livecd, I can fsck from here, everything is ok, but I can't jfs_dump...`
`08:22.21`	`avdyk`	`I can boot on macosx`
`08:22.31`	`avdyk`	`so it seems the harddrive is ok`
`08:22.38`	`kevix`	`streuner, what would happen in you delete and recreate the jfs, would you not still have the ext2 data?`
`08:22.40`	`avdyk`	`is there a problem with kernel 2.6.12?`
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`08:22.59`	`avdyk`	`kevix, how can I delete the journal?`
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`08:24.41`	`kevix`	`avdyk, http://blog.subverted.net/?p=535 (this is UNTESTED by me)`
`08:24.45`	`weissi`	`mkl1525: what is the return value of unison if it has to merge something??? (perhaps the diff and merge directives in config help?)`
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`08:26.57`	`wye`	`hi all`
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`08:27.33`	`kevix`	`wye, ciao, hello, shalom,.....`
`08:28.06`	`avdyk`	`streuner, thanks I've just created a new journal, I'll reboot and see if it's the problem`
`08:28.08`	`wye`	`:D`
`08:29.14`	`kevix`	`avdyk, one of the advantages to ext3 is that it 'ext2 + journal', so ext3 - journal = ext2`
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`08:30.14`	`wye`	`im testing a hard disk, but it seems be broken :( i get this in the dmesg`
`08:30.15`	`wye`	`servidor:~# dmesg\|grep hdc`
`08:30.15`	`wye`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`08:30.31`	`Gimp`	`yo wazup??`
`08:30.56`	`wye`	`but when i try to make: fdisk /dev/hdc it says Unable to open /dev/hdc`
`08:31.07`	`wye`	`can i do something?`
`08:31.20`	`kevix`	`wye, are you root?`
`08:31.28`	`wye`	`yep i am`
`08:31.47`	`kevix`	`wye, is hdc a cd or dvd ?`
`08:32.01`	`wye`	`its a hard disk`
`08:32.11`	`wye`	`a seagate barracuda of 80 gbytes`
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`08:32.18`	`wozz`	`hi all`
`08:32.23`	`wye`	`hi`
`08:33.15`	`kevix`	`wye, hmm. I'd use a livecd and see if that allow you to use fdisk. it not, cry to segate and ask for a replacement.`
`08:33.50`	`wye`	`hehe i will try :D`
`08:34.03`	`dvsdude`	`wye: could use ultimatebootcd and run seagate h/d test on drive if fail should be replaced under warrenty pending age hd`
`08:34.06`	`Gumby`	`does anyone know of an online site that will take an IP and tell me where it is from?`
`08:34.43`	`wye`	`thanks mates :D`
`08:34.46`	`dvsdude`	`gumby: http://www.whois.net/`
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`08:35.41`	`Gumby`	`dvsdude: hrm, doesnt seem to be working with this IP`
`08:36.23`	`kevix`	`Gumby it isn't 127.0.0.1 is it x-)`
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`08:36.41`	`dvsdude`	`Gumpy: http://www.zoneedit.com/lookup.html`
`08:36.42`	`Gumby`	`lol`
`08:36.44`	`Gumby`	`now`
`08:36.46`	`Gumby`	`-w`
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`08:47.40`	`brrrt`	`hello all`
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`08:48.14`	`brrrt`	`i am running sarge with a standard 2.4 kernel`
`08:48.19`	`Eclipser`	`what happened to this channel a few days ago :o`
`08:48.39`	`brrrt`	`it seems thats my sata has a really poor performance`
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`08:49.27`	`brrrt`	`i am doing a dd on to 160GB hd's and it lasts 12hours now and still not completed`
`08:50.00`	`fireba11`	`err`
`08:50.02`	`brrrt`	`is this normal ?`
`08:50.16`	`fireba11`	`not really`
`08:50.22`	`widrone`	`!sata`
`08:50.22`	`dpkg`	`Ideally you want Jeff Garzik's libata patch against 2.4.x. See http://lwn.net/Articles/52488/ . For a netinst w/libata, see http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ to make one with a custom kernel, or http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html for more options. ("You can tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs."), or use a 2.6 kernel for less pain, or you must enable CONFIG_SATA and your SATA driver for this to work`
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`08:50.37`	`fireba11`	`can rsync 60 GB over 100MBit network in 4 hours ^^`
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`08:51.36`	`brrrt`	`mhm, thanks!`
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`08:56.53`	`kane_`	`Morning, i'm running in a strange problem with dpkg's permissions to overwrite things.. i thought this should work, but perhaps i missed something... someone can point me in the right direction?`
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`08:56.58`	`kane_`	`this is the error i get:`
`08:56.59`	`kane_`	`dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/cpan-libpathtools-perl_3.12-1_i386.deb (--unpack):`
`08:57.02`	`kane_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:57.09`	`kane_`	`but the package states:`
`08:57.11`	`kane_`	`Replaces: perl-modules, perl-base, perl, libpathtools-perl`
`08:57.11`	`kane_`	`Provides: libpathtools-perl`
`08:57.17`	`manbox`	`guys! i don't know what happened but my gnome doesnt give me all my panels, applications arent fittet in to the bar in the bottom=!??!`
`08:57.18`	`weissi`	`kane_: using unstable???`
`08:57.19`	`kane_`	`should'nt it then be allowed to replace the other package files?`
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`08:57.45`	`kane_`	`weissi: home grown debs in this case... it's more a question about packaging rules than any particular released package :)`
`08:58.10`	`manbox`	`disapears when rebooting?!"`
`08:58.12`	`kevix`	`kane_, dpkg -i --force-overwrite`
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`08:58.59`	`kane_`	`kevix: ok, that's indeed a good work around. But my understanding was that using the 'Provides: ' and 'Replaces: ', apt-get (and by proxy dpkg), would do the right thing straight away`
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`08:59.07`	`weissi`	`kane_: normally packages shouldn't overwrite files from other packages... I you want it: --> kevix answer`
`08:59.33`	`ce_aneh`	`hai`
`08:59.34`	`weissi`	`kane_, in unstable it happens sometimes, then I do it as kevix said`
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`08:59.49`	`kevix`	`kane_, have you used 'dh-make-perl' ?`
`08:59.54`	`kane_`	`hmm.. right... i got this method from the placeholder packages`
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`08:59.58`	`kane_`	`kevix: no :)`
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`09:00.45`	`kane_`	`where they say 'an X needs to be installed' (say, MTA), and any of htose packages 'provides' the MTA, putting their file in a certain location.. upgrading from MTA 1 to MTA 2 should allow them to overwrite that file... that's what i thought at any rate :)`
`09:00.47`	`kevix`	`!dh-make-perl`
`09:00.47`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, dh-make-perl is a packaged script that converts Perl modules snagged from CPAN into .deb archives. You get to use CPAN archives, Debian's dependencies stay in one piece, everybody's happy. Find more information at http://packages.debian.org/testing/devel/dh-make-perl.html`
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`09:01.18`	`kane_`	`kevix: appreciate the hint, but dh-make-perl is not capable of doing what i want -- trust me on that :)`
`09:01.31`	`kane_`	`and again, this was a question about debian policy, rahter than which tool to use`
`09:01.42`	`cahoot`	`kane_: removing the orginal isn't doable?`
`09:01.51`	`weissi`	`kane_: normally in that case they conflict, no?`
`09:02.13`	`kane_`	`cahoot: not if package X is being relied upon by other packages.. it shoudl be a seemless upgrade ideally`
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`09:02.39`	`kane_`	`weissi: yup indeed... and like i said, i was led to believe that using 'Replaces:' and 'Provides:' that apt-get & dpkg understood there was no need to 'conflict', but do the right thing`
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`09:02.50`	`cire`	`I need a software which organizes my very small business (german tax-system would be great). Is there something? I never looked for something like that and I do not know where to begin.`
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`09:04.25`	`nelf`	`Where does grub/make-kpkg get it's idea of what the device to install a boot loader on (and possibly this is used to make the initrd image)`
`09:04.44`	`weissi`	`kane_: ahh, you though "conflict" wasn't necessary at all?`
`09:05.00`	`dli`	`init: Id "2" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes`
`09:05.10`	`kane_`	`i was hoping it wouldn't, as i'm trying to indciate that package X is taking over all functionality ( & files) that Y was providing`
`09:05.33`	`weissi`	`kane_: ok, capish ;-)`
`09:05.39`	`jm_`	`nelf: it doesn't - that happens when you call grub-install`
`09:05.57`	`kane_`	`but Replaces: doesn't seem to do the trick :(`
`09:06.49`	`nelf`	`jm_: I have to manually say /dev/sda to grub-install, and have to manually change the root=/dev/hda to root=/dev/sda in menu.lst every time I build a kernel package`
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`09:07.01`	`kevix`	`nelf, have you checked the configuration files in /etc/ and /boot/grub`
`09:07.06`	`weissi`	`kane_: perhaps use the debian 'alternatives' mechanism???`
`09:07.24`	`kane_`	`ah, that seems like a good hint! i'll go read up on that`
`09:07.52`	`nelf`	`kevix: Yes - when I run dpkg -i kernel-image.xxxx it changes all my settings in /boot/grub and I can't find anything in /etc`
`09:08.15`	`nelf`	`kevix: And I have to manually say grub-install /dev/sda to get it to reinstall correctly`
`09:08.23`	`jm_`	`nelf: ahh you can do that via kernel-pkg.conf`
`09:08.50`	`jm_`	`nelf: also man update-grub`
`09:08.50`	`kevix`	`nelf, there are script in /var/lib/dpkg/info/kernel.... check out the postinst (IIRC)`
`09:09.02`	`jm_`	`kernel-img.conf even`
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`09:09.41`	`nelf`	`jm_: I'll look into that - basically, when I installed the system using 2.4 it detected the system as ide drives, but with upgrading to 2.6, it started detecting the drive as sata (and hence /dev/sda)`
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`09:12.08`	`nelf`	`Cheers kevix, jm_ - I'll let you know how I get on.`
`09:12.23`	`jm_`	`nelf: ahh yeah that infamous SATA change ;)`
`09:12.57`	`nelf`	`jm_: Such fun`
`09:13.03`	`mdfk`	`can anyone tell me how big is debian repository mirror`
`09:13.06`	`mdfk`	`x86 only`
`09:13.16`	`jm_`	`!dstat sid`
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`09:13.22`	`jm_`	`!dstats sid`
`09:13.32`	`dpkg`	`Debian Distro Stats on sid... 17187 packages, 1596 maintainers, 33370 MB installed size, 10768 MB compressed size.`
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`09:13.50`	`jm_`	`so yeah, there are people that can tell you`
`09:14.42`	`cahoot`	`sid implies x86 only?`
`09:14.50`	`valdyn`	`appearantly`
`09:15.29`	`Guerin`	`nope, !dstats only measures x86`
`09:15.43`	`sep`	`what module provide the ipsec0 device on sarge ? on leaf/bering it's ipsec.o but i can't seam to find that in sarge.`
`09:15.54`	`sep`	`this is for freeswan`
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`09:16.45`	`valdyn`	`sep: apt-cache search freeswan`
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`09:17.50`	`incorrect`	`sorry i've asked this before, but where is the info for upgrading woody->sarge?`
`09:18.01`	`valdyn`	`!woody->sarge`
`09:18.04`	`incorrect`	`ty`
`09:18.07`	`sep`	`valdyn, i am aware of the module-sources but the README in freeswan claim that you can choose between them and the native ipsec support. where is the native one ?`
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`09:18.31`	`incorrect`	`!woody->sarge`
`09:18.36`	`incorrect`	`nothing`
`09:18.46`	`Guerin`	`dpkg, woody->sarge`
`09:18.46`	`dpkg`	`First, "apt-get install aptitude". Then edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "woody" to "sarge". Then, "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade". consider installing hotplug and discover1 if you're not confident with linux hardware management. see <sarge release notes>, or serious breakage for around 30% of users according to http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/06/msg00006.html`
`09:18.52`	`incorrect`	`ty`
`09:18.59`	`Guerin`	`the > causes something to fuck out`
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`09:19.42`	`id`	`hi`
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`09:20.57`	`id`	`i have problems installing << magickwand for php >> ./configure --prefix=/usr/lib/php4 --with-magickwand=/usr -> gives me this error: ... checking for ImageMagick / MagickWand in default path... not found configure: error: Please reinstall the ImageMagick / MagickWand distribution - magick-wand.h should be in <imagemagick-dir>/include/wand/`
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`09:21.15`	`Guerin`	`!wayc id`
`09:21.16`	`dpkg`	`id: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get?`
`09:21.30`	`id`	`but the strange thing is /usr/include/wand/magick-wand.h exists`
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`09:21.50`	`id`	`Guerin, i did not found a package`
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`09:22.05`	`Guerin`	`id: read the make log and find out precisely which file it's looking for`
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`09:22.23`	`jm_`	`config.log`
`09:22.32`	`widrone`	`id: apt-get install the -dev packages for the stuff it wants/needs probably.`
`09:22.38`	`Guerin`	`might be looking in /usr/include/imagemagick/ or somesuch`
`09:22.42`	`Guerin`	`yeah, config.log`
`09:22.55`	`Guerin`	`widrone: evidently he has`
`09:23.05`	`Guerin`	`widrone: else he'd not have ANY .h files`
`09:23.52`	`incorrect`	`aptitude dist-upgrade wants to remove console-tools-libs, is this normal?`
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`09:24.06`	`amphi`	`;)`
`09:24.12`	`widrone`	`Guerin: Ok, thanks. Not to sharp a compiling pencil am, just stuff I ran into myself when trying stuff from source. Nice to know the .h part, gets me a more whole picture.`
`09:24.32`	`mdfk`	`jm_, so...mirror should be around 30gb?`
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`09:24.47`	`Guerin`	`incorrect: sid?`
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`09:25.27`	`incorrect`	`Guerin, woody -> sarge`
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`09:26.29`	`dvsdude`	`amphi: no tor & privoxy al ok`
`09:26.32`	`Guerin`	`incorrect: should be ok.`
`09:26.36`	`weissi`	`incorrect: yes, was renamed to libconsole`
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`09:27.16`	`tpr`	`anyone by any chance have experience with a compaq evo n800W series laptops & debian? :)`
`09:27.29`	`valdyn`	`!anyone`
`09:27.29`	`dpkg`	`Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>`
`09:27.56`	`tpr`	`aight`
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`09:29.17`	`tpr`	`how is debian's APM support, and how does this compare to ACPI, what about suspend states, will debian support c3 level of suspend to ram? :p`
`09:29.23`	`tpr`	`or c4 or none at all :x`
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`09:30.43`	`incorrect`	`thanks guys its installing libconsole`
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`09:30.55`	`incorrect`	`i have a strange question, is there anyway to fake uptime?`
`09:31.01`	`QUACH-VU`	`hi i cant start my apache server , this is error [warn] NameVirtualHost 193.201.54.26:80 has no VirtualHosts`
`09:31.04`	`QUACH-VU`	`can some help me?`
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`09:31.29`	`incorrect`	`i've got a bug with my dual proc boxes, that say Unknown HZ value! (2) Assume 100. after a certain number of days up`
`09:31.30`	`Guerin`	`tpr: debian doesn't have apm support. Linux does.`
`09:31.32`	`id`	`QUACH-VU, define VirtualHosts`
`09:31.41`	`valdyn`	`tpr: suspend to ram works on some notebooks ( both, via apm and via acpi ), suspend to disk i have only used suspend2 ( http://softwaresuspend.berlios.net/ )`
`09:31.42`	`incorrect`	`i want to see if it still happens in sarge`
`09:31.43`	`Guerin`	`QUACH-VU: httpd.apache.org`
`09:31.44`	`QUACH-VU`	`id how can i define it?`
`09:31.51`	`Guerin`	`QUACH-VU: if you get stuck on that, ask #apache`
`09:32.01`	`valdyn`	`!laptops`
`09:32.01`	`dpkg`	`All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/`
`09:32.02`	`QUACH-VU`	`thanks`
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`09:32.11`	`Guerin`	`QUACH-VU: why the fuck are you trying to run a webserver with virtual hosts if you're not prepared to learn how?`
`09:33.05`	`tpr`	`valdyn: yeah I checked linux-laptop.net actually found only info for n800c or v series, these alter a bit from the w(orkstation) series, but they did indeed say that APM would not work on debian, dunno then if ACPI is the b*tch ive heard it to be :p`
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`09:33.32`	`incorrect`	`lol Guerin, he is nearly as smart as the guy trying to compile his own apache`
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`09:33.47`	`valdyn`	`tpr: acpi just works to different degrees on different devices`
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`09:34.38`	`incorrect`	`but i want version x.x.x to compile, sorry that isn't a stable release`
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`09:34.46`	`incorrect`	`but its got the highes version number`
`09:34.49`	`incorrect`	`sigh`
`09:34.51`	`valdyn`	`tpr: softwaresuspend is your best bet if you hardware isnt supported`
`09:34.59`	`valdyn`	`tpr: since it doesnt need hardware support`
`09:35.03`	`tpr`	`valdyn: aight, I think I will rtfm on tuxmobil and linux-laptop a bit, im sure the compaq evo 800 series devices are rather similar when it comes to apm/acpi control`
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`09:35.13`	`tpr`	`valdyn: ofcourse`
`09:35.30`	`NOthsouth`	`hello friends.. when I try to burn some DVD with k3b I got this error: Devices`
`09:35.30`	`NOthsouth`	`-----------------------`
`09:35.30`	`NOthsouth`	`HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4160B A301 (/dev/scd0, ) at /cdrom [CD-R; CD-RW; CD-ROM; DVD-ROM; DVD-RAM; DVD-R; DVD-RW; DVD+R; DVD+RW] [DVD-ROM; DVD-R Sequential; DVD-RAM; DVD-RW Restricted Overwrite; DVD-RW Sequential; DVD+RW; DVD+R; DVD+R Double Layer; CD-ROM; CD-R; CD-RW] [SAO; TAO; RAW; SAO/R16; RAW/R96P; RAW/R96R]`
`09:35.30`	`NOthsouth`	`System`
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`09:35.51`	`NOthsouth`	`:-( unable to pread64(2) primary volume descriptor: Input/output error`
`09:35.53`	`NOthsouth`	`<PROTECTED>`
`09:35.55`	`NOthsouth`	`growisofs comand:`
`09:36.01`	`NOthsouth`	`-----------------------`
`09:36.03`	`NOthsouth`	`/usr/bin/growisofs -M /dev/scd0 -use-the-force-luke=notray -use-the-force-luke=tty -use-the-force-luke=dummy -speed=4 -gui -graft-points -volid K3b data project -volset -appid K3B THE CD KREATOR VERSION 0.11.20 (C) 2003 SEBASTIAN TRUEG AND THE K3B TEAM -publisher -preparer K3b - Version 0.11.20 -sysid LINUX -volset-size 1 -volset-seqno 1 -sort /tmp/kde-oracle/k3b5cuVdb.tmp -rational-rock -hide-list /tmp/kde-oracle/k3b3rvtHb.tmp -full-iso9660-filen`
`09:36.08`	`NOthsouth`	`ames -iso-level 2 -path-list /tmp/kde-oracle/k3bx8yDdb.tmp`
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`09:36.16`	`dvsdude`	`NOthsouth: #flood #flood`
`09:36.32`	`elirips`	`hello. until now i used only apt-get, now i wanted to use aptitude. so i did an aptitude update, and afterwards an aptitude upgrade. now aptitude wants to remove a lot of packages, apt-get doesn't want to remove. i am using debian sarge. anyone knows why aptitude wants to remove all this things (things i daily use, like kdebase...)?`
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`09:36.32`	`tpr`	`NOthsouth: try to use some paste page for these errors, quite a bit of flood here`
`09:36.38`	`NOthsouth`	`sorry guys,,, i just paste the wrong thing`
`09:36.42`	`NOthsouth`	`realy sorry`
`09:36.42`	`Fanskapet`	`hmm anyone know how to create new init.d scripts for starting eg. apache2?`
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`09:36.56`	`Fanskapet`	`is there some automatic script for doing this?`
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`09:37.06`	`NOthsouth`	`<PROTECTED>`
`09:37.07`	`sep`	`Fanskapet, what's wrong with the init.d included in apache2 ?`
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`09:37.17`	`tpr`	`Fanskapet: /etc/init.d/apachesomething start? =)`
`09:37.38`	`Fanskapet`	`hmm it is?`
`09:37.53`	`Fanskapet`	`tpr: no it isn't`
`09:37.53`	`sep`	`Fanskapet, /etc/init.d/apache2 is the name`
`09:37.56`	`tpr`	`im not the expert here, but see into /etc/init.d defiantely, should find a startscript for apache, and a lot of other things`
`09:37.59`	`tpr`	`there ya go :)`
`09:38.01`	`Fanskapet`	`not when compiling the source yourself`
`09:38.27`	`Fanskapet`	`if one uses apt-get install it sure is there`
`09:38.29`	`Fanskapet`	`though.`
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`09:38.37`	`tpr`	`Fanskapet: make install should still install the start scripts, no?`
`09:38.44`	`sep`	`Fanskapet, no obviously not. take a random file from /etc/init.d/ and modify it. or look in the sources doc dir for examples. or why not jsut use the package from debian`
`09:38.53`	`widrone`	`Fanskapet: THen you need to make then youself, steal (cp) one from that dir and make it work (with apachectr or what its called)`
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`09:39.09`	`NOthsouth`	`how can I configure my DVD ? there is some easy way?`
`09:39.16`	`Fanskapet`	`yeh well from what i've rememberd debian had a script for doing that?`
`09:39.18`	`Fanskapet`	`hmm`
`09:39.27`	`Fanskapet`	`using the skeleton file`
`09:39.34`	`widrone`	`Fanskapet: apachectl is the binary to control it.`
`09:39.58`	`id`	`the script searches for magick-wand.h - it is installed as magick_wand.h`
`09:40.08`	`id`	`ok got it`
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`09:40.48`	`widrone`	`Fanskapet: And there is a Apache2 package for your convenience.`
`09:41.03`	`Fanskapet`	`widrone: yes but that one don't include webdav/ssl support`
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`09:43.56`	`weissi`	`Fanskapet: it does (on stable)`
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`09:44.23`	`Fanskapet`	`hmm well i prefer manualy compiling of these things.`
`09:44.57`	`Fanskapet`	`still im almost certain that i used some included script on debian for doing this last time when installing the kaid-deamon`
`09:45.42`	`weissi`	`Fanskapet: a2enmod ssl; a2enmod dav; a2enmod dav_fs`
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`09:46.34`	`weissi`	`Fanskapet: apache2 on stable supports the following mods: actions asis auth_anon auth_dbm auth_digest auth_ldap cache cern_meta cgi cgid dav dav_fs deflate disk_cache expires ext_filter file_cache headers imap include info ldap mem_cache mime_magic mod_python proxy proxy_connect proxy_ftp proxy_http rewrite speling ssl suexec unique_id userdir usertrack vhost_alias`
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`09:46.59`	`weissi`	`Fanskapet: sorry -mod_python, that's installed seperately`
`09:47.02`	`Fanskapet`	`well yes and much more stuff i don't want :)`
`09:47.25`	`Fanskapet`	`i just want a slim setup of my apps i use most.`
`09:47.31`	`Fanskapet`	`only the modules i need.`
`09:47.58`	`Fanskapet`	`hmm maybe i dreamed about that script`
`09:48.07`	`Fanskapet`	`can't find any info about it on the web :)`
`09:48.07`	`weissi`	`Fanskapet: well, you don't have to use them, in std install only userdir is enabled...`
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`09:48.29`	`weissi`	`Fanskapet: with a2dismod userdir you can disable it...`
`09:48.53`	`Fanskapet`	`weissi: well i've allready compiled my apache2/mysql/php so it feels kinda useless to install it via apt-get now just to get it running at boottime :)`
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`09:49.53`	`weissi`	`Fanskapet: just want a bootscript??`
`09:50.00`	`Fanskapet`	`indeed :)`
`09:50.09`	`Fanskapet`	`well i just do this the good old way then`
`09:50.12`	`Fanskapet`	`goes ee`
`09:50.12`	`Fanskapet`	`:)`
`09:50.17`	`weissi`	`Fanskapet: then join #flood, I'll post you one`
`09:50.53`	`Zta`	`Um, when I do an apt-get install something, apt-get tells me the size of the package to download, and even more remarkably the size after installation. Does anyone here know how that final size is calculated? Is it just the size of the extracted tarball?`
`09:51.13`	`dli`	`"dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" doesn't remember last time's choices?`
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`09:51.29`	`Guerin`	`dli: sure it does`
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`09:51.41`	`dli`	`Guerin, it doesn't for me :(`
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`09:52.37`	`Guerin`	`dli: did you edit your config by hand?`
`09:52.47`	`Guerin`	`or by some method other than drxx?`
`09:52.57`	`dli`	`Guerin, no, just run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"`
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`09:54.28`	`NOthsouth`	`How can I configure my DVD recorder?`
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`09:54.46`	`id`	what is that ? ->> dpkg: warning, architecture `amd64' not in remapping table
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`09:56.10`	`s-toned`	`NOthsouth: I think there is a setup-wizard in k3b`
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`09:56.32`	`minra`	`join #kanotix`
`09:56.37`	`minra`	`argh`
`09:57.40`	`dli`	`Guerin, what drxx ?`
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`09:57.53`	`minra`	`does current debian unstable firefox Version: 1.0.6-5 suffer the IDN security issue?`
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`09:58.33`	`weissi`	`Fanskapet: yes, that's even better for debian`
`09:58.48`	`NOthsouth`	`s-toned, Yeh.. i see.. look like it's ok`
`09:58.50`	`NOthsouth`	`thx`
`10:00.27`	`Trewas`	`minra: at least there is a bunch of other vulnerabilities which were fixed in the current version in unstable, 1.0.7-1`
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`10:01.43`	`minra`	`i have unstable and "mozilla-firefox is already the newest version"`
`10:01.54`	`minra`	`deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free`
`10:02.15`	`minra`	`Version: 1.0.6-5`
`10:02.16`	`Fanskapet`	`agh how dumb i am.`
`10:02.20`	`pearl`	`minra: have you runned before apt-get update && apt-get upgrade?`
`10:02.27`	`Fanskapet`	`widrone: apachectl itself can be used as a init.d script :)`
`10:02.41`	`Fanskapet`	`since it takes the same commands as a standard init.d script`
`10:02.42`	`Fanskapet`	`:)`
`10:02.47`	`minra`	`apt-get update && apt-get install mozilla-firefox`
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`10:03.09`	`Trewas`	`minra: ftp.fi.debian.org at least has 1.0.7-1, it is also the version reported for unstable in packages.d.o`
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`10:03.14`	`weissi`	`Fanskapet: jep your right, but I think it dosn't say "starting apache2 webserver, ... done"`
`10:03.36`	`Subdino`	`hi. I have vservers & their hosts on a vpn. The hosts must also have a public IP, and for now the servers also have. I want to move the vservers only to the vpn for security reasons. But I want them still to be able to access internet (SNAT set up on the vpn server). Now I have to route them to the vpn server so they know it's a gateway. I'm stuck with "ip route" : vpn is accessible from the vserver, but still no internet.`
`10:03.40`	`weissi`	`Fanskapet: and normally everything in /etc/init.d is a script. apachectl is binary, no?`
`10:04.05`	`widrone`	`Fanskapet: Ah, yes probably. Just symlink it then and youre done =) (But dont complain here if that breaks you bad)`
`10:04.17`	`Fanskapet`	`that's true`
`10:04.24`	`minra`	`thanks Trewas, i will see if it is a mirror problem`
`10:04.35`	`Subdino`	`I followed this http://nixdoc.net/files/forum/about15010.html config a bit`
`10:04.54`	`weissi`	`Fanskapet: it's even a bash script, but does not give messages...`
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`10:06.37`	`Subdino`	`here is what I configured on the host : (vserver is 10.8.0.226)`
`10:06.38`	`Subdino`	`# ip route list table 226`
`10:06.38`	`Subdino`	`10.8.0.0/24 via 10.8.0.53 dev tun1 src 10.8.0.226`
`10:06.38`	`Subdino`	`default via 10.8.0.53 dev tun1`
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`10:07.11`	`dli`	`is PS/2 mouse a "bus mouse" in character devices ?`
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`10:07.28`	`Subdino`	`woops...`
`10:07.39`	`Guerin`	`dli: read the help for that config item`
`10:07.44`	`Guerin`	`dli: you can read, can't you?`
`10:07.45`	`Subdino`	`(quite rude for 3 lines...)`
`10:07.46`	`widrone`	`Subdino: #flood please.`
`10:07.53`	`Guerin`	`!flood`
`10:07.54`	`dpkg`	`It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/`
`10:08.01`	`Subdino`	`yeah, i know about it`
`10:08.10`	`dli`	`Guerin, thanks for useless answers`
`10:08.11`	`Subdino`	`err, I pasted 3 lines`
`10:08.36`	`Guerin`	`Subdino: 4 lines in two seconds, including the one you did manually`
`10:08.37`	`Subdino`	`maybe too close to the last written line I sent, maybe`
`10:08.42`	`Guerin`	`Subdino: yeah`
`10:08.42`	`dli`	`how to block a certain user?`
`10:08.56`	`Guerin`	`dli: do you want someone to look it up for you?`
`10:09.22`	`Guerin`	`dli: we can get our team of on-call specialists to do your documentation reading for you if you're too fucking lazy to do it yourself.`
`10:10.21`	`Subdino`	`anyway, lunch time. If anyone has any idea how to set a route with ip in such case, or any idea about what could help to diagnose... please /query`
`10:10.51`	`widrone`	`Guerin: You dispatch monkeys to type it up aswell? I need some troubleshoothing too!`
`10:10.55`	`weissi`	`dli: passwd -l <username> ???`
`10:11.05`	`weissi`	`dli: that disables the account of <username>`
`10:11.11`	`Guerin`	`widrone: answers generated by monkey not guaranteed`
`10:11.28`	`dli`	`weissi, sorry, I mean how to block messages from a username in xchat`
`10:11.33`	`Guerin`	`widrone: oops, s/monkey/on-call specialist/`
`10:11.47`	`Guerin`	`dli: so you can't read the fucking documentation for your irc client, either?`
`10:11.50`	`jm_`	`haha he wants to ignore Guerin`
`10:11.52`	`bwana147`	`Guerin: all the documentation assumes that the reader knows what type of mouse he has. I would not call this be lazy to not know the difference between bus mouse and ps/2 mouse`
`10:11.52`	`Guerin`	`christ`
`10:11.54`	`weissi`	`dli: right click on him, somewhere there is ignore ;-))`
`10:11.58`	`Guerin`	`what a weakling`
`10:12.17`	`dli`	`weissi, thanks`
`10:12.38`	`jm_`	`bwana147: right, and do people go messing with carburator or fuel injection system on a car if they don't know what type it is?`
`10:12.51`	`minra`	`ftp.de.debian.org is not up to date`
`10:12.53`	`jm_`	`of course not, but no, every moron should use Linux or computers`
`10:12.54`	`dli`	`jm_: are you a channel manager? too many F works from some users`
`10:13.02`	`Guerin`	`bwana147: he's doing kernel config. Why is he doing it without the ability to figure things out for himself?`
`10:13.07`	`jm_`	`dli: no I am not`
`10:13.14`	`widrone`	`!monkey`
`10:13.14`	`dpkg`	`monkey = power To The tune of the Micky Mouse song: o/~ M-O-N-K-E-Y S-P-A-N-K o/~`
`10:13.22`	`dli`	`weissi, I think it works :)`
`10:13.44`	`eXa_bOy`	`Guerin : downloaded all week 5 matches : bloody brillient!!!!`
`10:13.50`	`Guerin`	`eXa_bOy: pwn`
`10:13.59`	`dli`	`jm_: anyway, xchat can ignore users :)`
`10:14.07`	`Guerin`	`minra: what makes you say so?`
`10:14.09`	`eXa_bOy`	`waiting for week 6 now :(`
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`10:14.52`	`jm_`	`dli: no doubt`
`10:15.01`	`bwana147`	`I have never seen a bus mouse, nor know what it is. It took me a while to figure out that it is some old type of mouse, rarely seen today. To me the question was not that stupid. And just answering "no" would have taken less time than argueing whether to answer or not`
`10:15.07`	`minra`	`Guerin: it doesn't have updated packages`
`10:15.28`	`weissi`	`dli: PS/2 is Character devices->Mouse Support (not serial and bus mice)->PS/2 mouse (aka "auxiliary device") support`
`10:15.34`	`dli`	`jm_: just wondering why lose mouse after switching back to 2.4`
`10:15.50`	`dli`	`weissi, trying`
`10:16.13`	`dli`	`weissi, I'm setting up 2.4 kernel, I got mouse in 2.6`
`10:16.30`	`Inglorion`	`i am trying to package a library, and the packaging seems to work, but there are no files in /usr/lib or /usr/include. Investigating, I found that these files had been sent to debian/rules/tmp/usr instead of debian/<packagename>/usr. What is the best way to fix this? Is there some way to detect (in the rules file) whether it's building the library package or the -dev package?`
`10:16.34`	`weissi`	`dli: that was for 2.4 starting from main menu`
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`10:17.52`	`weissi`	`dli: then you'll get /dev/psaux`
`10:18.01`	`dli`	`weissi, you are right, I ignored the line for it. I found PS/2 there. It's a dual processor with 3GB memory, compiling is fast :)`
`10:18.05`	`eXa_bOy`	`Guerin do you use azureus`
`10:18.08`	`eXa_bOy`	`?`
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`10:18.47`	`weissi`	`dli: kewl ;-)`
`10:19.18`	`dli`	`weissi, btw, I think make-kpkg uses only one process :( instead of 2`
`10:19.48`	`weissi`	`dli: probably your right...`
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`10:20.13`	`dli`	`weissi, do you know how to enable a "-j2" option for it?`
`10:20.24`	`Guerin`	`eXa_bOy: god no`
`10:20.27`	`Guerin`	`eXa_bOy: rtorrent`
`10:20.28`	`eXa_bOy`	`ok`
`10:20.36`	`eXa_bOy`	`is that linux based?`
`10:20.46`	`incorrect`	`dpkg !woody->sarge`
`10:20.54`	`incorrect`	`doh`
`10:20.56`	`Guerin`	`incorrect: leave off the !`
`10:21.02`	`incorrect`	`dpkg woody->sarge`
`10:21.02`	`dpkg`	`First, "apt-get install aptitude". Then edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "woody" to "sarge". Then, "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade". consider installing hotplug and discover1 if you're not confident with linux hardware management. see <sarge release notes>, or serious breakage for around 30% of users according to http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/06/msg00006.html`
`10:21.18`	`incorrect`	`aha, thanks, i know second time today, but i need some advil`
`10:21.44`	`weissi`	`dli: -j2 ??? which program is able to use that?`
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`10:22.03`	`dli`	`weissi, I remember something like distcc`
`10:22.19`	`Guerin`	`jesus`
`10:22.41`	`dli`	`weissi, anyway, probably, cpu is not the bottleneck here.`
`10:22.45`	`weissi`	`dli: ahh ok, Make option...`
`10:22.45`	`Guerin`	`!say dli: man make-kpkg`
`10:22.46`	`dpkg`	`dli: man make-kpkg`
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`10:23.21`	`XeReK`	`hola`
`10:23.34`	`jm_`	`heh`
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`10:23.41`	`rokers`	`hola que hay`
`10:23.42`	`XeReK`	`hola`
`10:23.46`	`XeReK`	`hola rokers`
`10:23.54`	`XeReK`	`a ver donde andas`
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`10:24.02`	`rokers`	`hola estoy en el curso quien hay por ahi`
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`10:24.08`	`XeReK`	`no me digas`
`10:24.11`	`Guerin`	`!ops Red-83-34-62.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net is back, i thought these fucktards were banned?`
`10:24.11`	`eXa_bOy`	`english dude/`
`10:24.12`	`dpkg`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: Red-83-34-62.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net is back, i thought these fucktards were banned`
`10:24.12`	`XeReK`	`y qu� curso es?`
`10:24.20`	`p30n`	`how can i get hddtemp to show temp�s for disks that are hooked to a SATA cntrl card??`
`10:24.32`	`XeReK`	`mira que es casualidad`
`10:24.38`	`XeReK`	`yo tb estoy haciendo un curso`
`10:24.47`	`prjuntaex`	`qu� curso estais haciendo`
`10:24.48`	`sfghsfgh`	`y yo`
`10:24.56`	`rokers`	`y yo`
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`10:25.07`	`w3rdn4`	`what is the best way to extract a cd to your computer?`
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`10:25.16`	`Guerin`	`w3rdn4: abcde`
`10:25.24`	`prjuntaex`	`c�mo se llama vuestros cursos?`
`10:25.25`	`Guerin`	`w3rdn4: or cdparanoia`
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`10:25.35`	`XeReK`	`mira nos vamos a gulex`
`10:25.49`	`XeReK`	`grupo de usuarios de linex en extremadura`
`10:25.51`	`Inglorion`	`unless it's a cd-rom, then use dd`
`10:25.57`	`ales`	`!irq`
`10:25.57`	`dpkg`	`irq is, like, (Interrupt request) This is a gateway for devices to request time from the processor to do their jobs. For instance, every time you hit a key on your keyboard an interrupt is generated on the keyboard IRQ. This is mainly only a concern for PC users.`
`10:26.11`	`Guerin`	`XeReK: you're giving spaniards a bad name`
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`10:26.31`	`Guerin`	`XeReK: do we come into #debian-es and start off in english?`
`10:26.48`	`XeReK`	`ok guerin`
`10:27.27`	`eXa_bOy`	`LOL`
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`10:28.05`	`war00`	`W: GPG error: http://ftp.nerim.net etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 <- How do I fix this?`
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`10:28.41`	`w3rdn4`	`thank you for recommending abcde`
`10:28.46`	`w3rdn4`	`it encodes .wav files`
`10:28.49`	`w3rdn4`	`which is super super awesome`
`10:28.54`	`ales`	`has anybody any idea what is : localhos kernel: eth0: no IPv6 routers present ?`
`10:29.12`	`eXa_bOy`	`i cant even get apache working anymore... ive lost my touch, my noob touch`
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`10:30.07`	`ales`	`and why ifconfig has line : inet6 addr: ..... ?`
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`10:31.20`	`eXa_bOy`	`thanks guerin... im hunting for the elusive DocumentRoot somewhere in one of the million damn config files.`
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`10:32.30`	`eXa_bOy`	`grep 'DocumentRoot' /etc/apache2 doesnt seem to help much`
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`10:32.58`	`Guerin`	`eXa_bOy: rgrep`
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`10:35.17`	`alumnobonifacio`	`hola`
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`10:36.42`	`cire`	`I just installed postgresql (apt-get install postgresql), but launching it returns: /usr/lib/postgresql/7.4/bin/postmaster: TCP/IP-Verbindungen m�ssen f�r SSL aktiviert sein.`
`10:36.58`	`w3rdn4`	`hahaha`
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`10:38.48`	`Guerin`	`cire: read the documentation`
`10:38.59`	`weissi`	`dli: I read, there is $CONCURRENCY_LEVEL, you could set is to 2, then make gets a -j2 I think`
`10:39.17`	`Guerin`	`weissi: wow, you read the documentation!`
`10:39.18`	`dli`	`weissi, thanks`
`10:39.19`	`Guerin`	`!beer weissi`
`10:39.36`	`Guerin`	`now if only dli had done that instead of sucking on the nipple`
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`10:40.24`	`war00`	`W: GPG error: http://ftp.nerim.net etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 <- How do I fix this?`
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`10:40.42`	`war00`	`same w/ security.debian-updates`
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`10:41.19`	`nkuttler`	`war00: /msg dpkg apt secure`
`10:41.25`	`war00`	`k`
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`10:42.20`	`weissi`	`guerin: I unfortunately don't have a SMP, so I don't know it imeditely, but I'm interested in ;-). And _IF_ you know it, I think it's nice to tell the others...`
`10:42.22`	`eXa_bOy`	`when you apt-get php4 you would think that it would update apache and tell it to include the right modules yeah?`
`10:42.34`	`sparr`	`when I do "gcc -lGL foo.cpp", exactly what file is it looking for as the GL lib?`
`10:43.10`	`dli`	`weissi, it's /etc/kernel-pkg.conf or ~/.kernel-pkg.conf`
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`10:43.37`	`weissi`	`dli: ok ;-)`
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`10:45.14`	`dli`	`weissi, looks like I got the 2.4.31 kernel with openmosix on :)`
`10:45.17`	`Guerin`	`weissi: i think it's more valuable for people to learn for themselves`
`10:45.37`	`czr_`	`does anyone know of an irc-place where libc/kernel hackers hang around? I have a rather technical question and want to ask whether I'm smoking crack or not :-)`
`10:45.48`	`weissi`	`dli: kewl ;-) that rocks!`
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`10:46.09`	`oskie`	`is there anywhere you can get a package which was uploaded today but didn't hit the mirrors yet?`
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`10:46.15`	`dli`	`weissi, still worries me. the stable release from openmosix is 2.4.26-1`
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`10:46.39`	`Guerin`	`czr_: lkml`
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`10:46.48`	`Guerin`	`czr_: not an irc channel, a mailing list`
`10:46.57`	`Guerin`	`oskie: incoming.d.o`
`10:47.04`	`weissi`	`guerin: That's probably true, but you don't have the time to look everything up. If it's easy ok, but sometimes people don't even know about what to search...`
`10:47.06`	`Guerin`	`oskie: EXTREMELY unwise`
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`10:47.18`	`weissi`	`guerin: and thanks for the beer g`
`10:47.20`	`Guerin`	`weissi: bah, this isn't hard.`
`10:47.29`	`czr_`	`Guerin, I know lkml, but was thinking that there must be some ppl who also irc :-)`
`10:47.42`	`oskie`	`Guerin: just need one pkg`
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`10:48.00`	`czr_`	`also glibc-hackers is a list I would like to post to, but it's a closed list (I guess to guard against ppl like me ;-)`
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`10:48.19`	`oskie`	`Guerin: hm. not there.... at least I can't see it. this is amd64 btw`
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`10:49.19`	`weissi`	`guerin: true but on some days you can't just find what you need... and the diff between busmouse/ps2 is probably not clear to everyone... (the CONCURRENCY_LEVEL thing was just a little question between the lines)`
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`10:50.50`	`weissi`	`dli, how many hosts with openmosix?`
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`10:51.19`	`dli`	`weissi: 32 working nodes plus 3 login gates`
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`10:51.41`	`weissi`	`dli: fuck, not at home, I hope g`
`10:52.09`	`dli`	`weissi, I couldn't afford the electricity bill if at home :(`
`10:52.31`	`dli`	`weissi, also the powerful airconditioner :(`
`10:52.41`	`weissi`	`dli, that's what I though, and the sucking heat.`
`10:52.59`	`eXa_bOy`	`ok ive got php4.load in mods-available, do i need to copy this to mods-enabled?`
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`10:53.33`	`weissi`	`dli, what kind of network?`
`10:53.36`	`dli`	`weissi, I am reinstalling the whole cluster :( setting up FAI`
`10:53.47`	`dli`	`weissi, just 100Mbps`
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`10:53.51`	`weissi`	`eXa_bOy: a2enmod php4`
`10:54.02`	`eXa_bOy`	`whats that?`
`10:54.11`	`weissi`	`dli, but rocks :-)`
`10:54.24`	`eXa_bOy`	`available-2-enabled mod :P`
`10:54.32`	`weissi`	`dli, sorry have to go offline now, schools over for today`
`10:54.43`	`weissi`	`bye bye...`
`10:54.47`	`dli`	`weissi, bye, thanks for your help`
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`10:58.30`	`SimonRaven`	`because it likes to be different`
`10:58.55`	`eXa_bOy`	`apache should be a standard thing :P`
`10:58.56`	`Phated`	`Heh.`
`10:59.03`	`Fanskapet`	`crap i can't get kaid working as a init.d script`
`10:59.11`	`SimonRaven`	`having little scriptsto make life easier is always a plus`
`10:59.19`	`Fanskapet`	`agh.. why didn't i save my old one..`
`10:59.20`	`Fanskapet`	`bah.`
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`11:00.10`	`eXa_bOy`	`whats a good samba tutorial> im missing something...`
`11:00.35`	`SimonRaven`	`try swat for a bit. the idealx stuff is ok, too`
`11:00.50`	`amphi`	`eXa_bOy: openbooks.oreilly.com has the 'using samba' book online`
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`11:01.13`	`SimonRaven`	`oh yeh, that's right`
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`11:04.45`	`lucaswagener_`	`bebe voc� � homem ou mulher`
`11:05.23`	`Skinsreds`	`estou com problemas na configura��o do Samba Alguem pode me ajudar`
`11:05.34`	`freenik`	`wtf?`
`11:05.41`	`SimonRaven`	`!spanish`
`11:05.41`	`dpkg`	`Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.`
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`11:05.56`	`lucaswagener_`	`que sanba`
`11:06.20`	`SimonRaven`	`!portuguese`
`11:06.20`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that portuguese is the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues.`
`11:07.07`	`Skinsreds`	`instalei o kurumin na minha maquina e gostaria de conpatilhar um pasta com as esta�oes win98`
`11:07.54`	`SimonRaven`	`Skinsreds: ^^^^`
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`11:10.47`	`Skinsreds`	`????`
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`11:11.06`	`solemnwarning`	`hi all`
`11:11.11`	`SimonRaven`	`we speak english here, if you would like help in portuguese, go there`
`11:11.22`	`solemnwarning`	`why has the rar and unrar packages been taken off of apt?`
`11:11.29`	`jm_`	`they haven't`
`11:11.33`	`solemnwarning`	`:\`
`11:11.48`	`sep`	`solemnwarning, /msg dpkg unrar`
`11:11.50`	`solemnwarning`	`E: Package rar has no installation candidate`
`11:11.52`	`jm_`	`!tell solemnwarning -about non-free`
`11:11.53`	`solemnwarning`	`k`
`11:12.15`	`nojoopa`	`Is there a HOWTO somewhere about transfering a Debian system from a (larger) harddrive to another (smaller) harddrive?`
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`11:12.34`	`jm_`	`hard disk upgrade mini howto should do`
`11:13.57`	`SimonRaven`	`having a plan never hurts too ;)`
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`11:15.41`	`Skinsreds`	`ola pessoal`
`11:15.58`	`Phated`	`Ah.`
`11:16.03`	`Skinsreds`	`alguem pode me ajudar com o samba`
`11:16.04`	`Phated`	`ECHAN`
`11:16.50`	`Skinsreds`	`alguem do Brasil`
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`11:18.50`	`NOthsouth`	`what that message means?? kernel: CPU0: Running in modulated clock mode`
`11:19.08`	`NOthsouth`	`my terminal keep show me that`
`11:19.18`	`sepen`	`Skinsreds: go to debian-es or try to speach in english`
`11:19.40`	`amphi`	`Skinsreds: o #debian-br`
`11:20.13`	`nojoopa`	`the HOWTO seems ok, but I have to use another computer (with Sarge-install-cd in rescue mode?) to do the transfering...and GRUB might need chrooting.`
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`11:20.44`	`SimonRaven`	`grub will`
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`11:20.52`	`dli`	`NOthsouth, maybe your cpu is overheated`
`11:21.50`	`NOthsouth`	`overheated??`
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`11:22.17`	`SunDevil`	`heu`
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`11:22.36`	`NOthsouth`	`dli, doyou think it's something about hardware, our about BIOS setup?`
`11:22.39`	`SunDevil`	`i have a bashscript that leaks mem in bash 3.x but not in 2.x`
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`11:23.14`	`peterS`	`SunDevil: use 'reportbug' to file a bug report`
`11:23.45`	`peterS`	`SunDevil: if you can reduce your script to something really small, that still leaks memory noticeably, that'll help the developers a lot. if not, that's fine too`
`11:24.06`	`SunDevil`	`yes, gottit in 8 lines or so`
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`11:25.02`	`SunDevil`	`basically a while loop, for dir in ;do;test -d $dir \|\| continue;cd $dir; set -- .blah;cd ../;done;done`
`11:25.11`	`peterS`	`SunDevil: cool - those are the fun bugs to deal with, where the reporter has already done most of the work (:`
`11:25.21`	`SunDevil`	`the cd-commands seem to be neccecary`
`11:25.30`	`SunDevil`	`set -- does a malloc()`
`11:25.31`	`dli`	`NOthsouth, check your cpu fans first`
`11:25.33`	`SunDevil`	`or two`
`11:25.36`	`SunDevil`	`but only frees 1`
`11:26.10`	`peterS`	`SunDevil: definitely include all that info in your report`
`11:26.13`	`dli`	`NOthsouth, see whether you can read cpu temperature in BIOS`
`11:26.20`	`SunDevil`	`will do`
`11:26.48`	`NOthsouth`	`how can I check the temperature by terminal?`
`11:26.56`	`NOthsouth`	`there is any command in debian?`
`11:27.07`	`amphi`	`NOthsouth: acpi -t is one way`
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`11:27.24`	`phil-`	`mbmon even.`
`11:27.29`	`amphi`	`NOthsouth: assuming suitable acpi support etc.`
`11:27.34`	`nojoopa`	`so...I can boot with the Sarge-CD in rescue mode, create new fs', copy the files and just "chroot /mnt/newdrive" and "grub" away?`
`11:27.38`	`peterS`	`NOthsouth: or 'sensors' from the lm-sensors package`
`11:28.10`	`Gurrrly`	`Using exim4 I can't seem to get mail and see an error of "remote host address is the local host", what does that mean?`
`11:28.22`	`dli`	`NOthsouth, if your kernel supports it, cd /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM`
`11:28.32`	`Zugschlus`	`Gurrrly: that means that you didn't read the FAQ`
`11:28.54`	`dli`	`peterS for some reasons, I never got lm-sensors myself :(`
`11:28.56`	`NOthsouth`	`i'm installing acpi and sensors..`
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`11:29.40`	`peterS`	`dli: it seems a bit finicky, only works on some motherboards`
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`11:30.05`	`dli`	`peterS but I got acpi works, it's intel mobo`
`11:30.11`	`peterS`	`dli: good, good`
`11:30.19`	`Gurrrly`	`FAQ has no mention of exim4`
`11:30.36`	`peterS`	`Gurrrly: think of it as exim but bigger and badder`
`11:30.43`	`peterS`	`(however you want to interpret that)`
`11:32.23`	`NOthsouth`	`amphi, No support for device type: thermal .. i tryed acpi -t`
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`11:32.50`	`amorphix`	`afternoon guys`
`11:32.54`	`AlphaUser`	`is there an 'easy' way to do a recursive find/replace? (I'm doing grep 'blah' *, I want to replace 'blah' with something else)`
`11:33.10`	`NOthsouth`	`i have the /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM .. what should I do?`
`11:33.17`	`dli`	`NOthsouth, I think you should have acpi support in kernel`
`11:33.18`	`amphi`	`NOthsouth: modprobe thermal ?`
`11:33.42`	`amphi`	`NOthsouth: is there anything in there?`
`11:33.44`	`peterS`	`AlphaUser: find * -type f -print0 \| xargs -0r sed -i 's/blah/blooh/g'`
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`11:34.08`	`amorphix`	`can anyone tell me what might be the cause of this error:`
`11:34.08`	`peterS`	`AlphaUser: well, if you don't have multiple directory levels, you can just: sed -i 's/blah/blooooh/g' *`
`11:34.12`	`amorphix`	`http://channels.debian.net/paste/921`
`11:34.14`	`AlphaUser`	`peterS- you're a sick individual ;)`
`11:34.19`	`peterS`	`yes, yes I am.`
`11:34.41`	`NOthsouth`	`amphi, nothing`
`11:34.50`	`NOthsouth`	`what I need to do?`
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`11:35.06`	`amphi`	`NOthsouth: dunno - lm_sensors?`
`11:35.07`	`Zugschlus`	`Gurrrly: exim upstream doesn't have any exim 3 docs any more, see http://www.exim.org/exim-html-4.50/doc/html/FAQ.html#TOC124`
`11:35.18`	`peterS`	`AlphaUser: or, if you like perl syntax for regexes better than sed syntax: perl -pi -e 's/blah/bloooh/g' *`
`11:35.33`	`AlphaUser`	`hehe`
`11:35.45`	`amorphix`	`hi`
`11:35.53`	`peterS`	`perl regexes are more powerful, and of course you could put other perl expressions in there too if you needed to`
`11:36.02`	`amorphix`	`I'm getting an NFS connection failure and a lot of related output to NFS`
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`11:36.17`	`amorphix`	`wonder if anyone could take a look and see if the cause of the error can be narrowed down?`
`11:36.20`	`amorphix`	`http://channels.debian.net/paste/921`
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`11:37.31`	`amorphix`	`anyone comments, feedback, insults etc would be welcome`
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`11:38.04`	`guiss`	`is there a patch or something I could do in order to make kernel 2.6.8-686-smp work in my pentium 4 using debian stable?`
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`11:40.32`	`jnthnlvnstn`	`ciao a tutti`
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`11:41.23`	`jnthnlvnstn`	`avrei bisogno di un piccolo aiuto, cosa da poco, mi basta capire il perché`
`11:41.43`	`amorphix`	`strange language`
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`11:42.05`	`jnthnlvnstn`	`sorry, my english isn't good`
`11:42.16`	`amphi`	`jnthnlvnstn: #debian-it perhaps?`
`11:42.17`	`Beik`	`!tell jnthnlvnstn about it`
`11:42.18`	`amorphix`	`my spanish? is even worse`
`11:42.25`	`amorphix`	`oh italian`
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`11:42.38`	`jnthnlvnstn`	`yes I'm italian`
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`11:42.51`	`jnthnlvnstn`	`but my debby is mondial!`
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`11:43.28`	`jnthnlvnstn`	`I have a problem with a first boot on amd 64`
`11:44.01`	`jnthnlvnstn`	`the message from the iso cd 1 is: could not find a kernel image linux`
`11:44.15`	`jnthnlvnstn`	`You have an idea?`
`11:44.31`	`fireba11`	`hu?`
`11:45.09`	`amorphix`	`the disk is not bootable?`
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`11:45.34`	`jnthnlvnstn`	`yes is bootable but not found the kernel image`
`11:45.38`	`amorphix`	`oh`
`11:45.45`	`amorphix`	`must be a path issue or something`
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`11:46.28`	`jnthnlvnstn`	`13 cd's burn into 1 night`
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`11:46.53`	`amphi`	`jnthnlvnstn: why not use the netinstall iso?`
`11:47.13`	`jnthnlvnstn`	`I have a problem whit broadcom wifi module`
`11:47.51`	`jnthnlvnstn`	`ndiswrapper for solution but not in first installation`
`11:48.37`	`jnthnlvnstn`	`and the problem it's the same: no boot`
`11:48.42`	`jnthnlvnstn`	`no kernel at boot`
`11:48.47`	`jnthnlvnstn`	`lol`
`11:49.24`	`jnthnlvnstn`	`the iso images is the 3°`
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`11:49.48`	`jnthnlvnstn`	`I have downodated for the 3 times`
`11:49.57`	`Hawk13`	`hello i'm trying to apt=get and keep getting not found can anyone advise? thanks`
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`11:50.01`	`amorphix`	`hi`
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`11:50.08`	`jnthnlvnstn`	`and burn with 3 different programs`
`11:50.19`	`Hawk13`	`apt-get that is`
`11:50.22`	`amorphix`	`Hawk13: run apt-setup`
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`11:51.26`	`othernoob`	`hi, how difficult is it to switch from k/ubuntu to debian?`
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`11:52.10`	`amorphix`	`Hawk13: ls /usr/bin/apt-get <-- show show something`
`11:52.15`	`amorphix`	`*should`
`11:52.17`	`Beik`	`othernoob, it depends on your knowledge.`
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`11:52.55`	`Hawk13`	`i am new to linux, what i should say is its not debian install its kanotix, but as apt-get is debian i thought i'd ask here so is that ok to still do apt - setup ?`
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`11:53.05`	`amorphix`	`heh`
`11:53.18`	`amorphix`	`you're not running debian`
`11:53.23`	`amorphix`	`apt-get is a debian tool`
`11:53.35`	`Beik`	`!tell Hawk13 about kanotix`
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`11:53.37`	`lucaswagener_`	`Rne como as mulheris por ai`
`11:54.00`	`Hawk13`	`i am running kanotix which has apt-get as its based on debian`
`11:54.03`	`NotHappy`	`how can I install psybnc on debian?`
`11:54.09`	`NotHappy`	`Is there a apt source?`
`11:54.10`	`othernoob`	`Beik: well, i haven't had too many problems i couldn't fix myself yet`
`11:54.13`	`NotHappy`	`sorce`
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`11:55.19`	`Hawk13`	`i tried livecd kanotix and have just done my first install... but i wanted openoffice and was told to apt-get but i cannot.. thanks`
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`11:55.35`	`othernoob`	`Beik: i just read in a forum that the new version of ubuntu is crap again..so i was thinking of converting to debian`
`11:56.11`	`lucaswagener_`	`Adrian voc� � homem ou mulher`
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`11:57.51`	`fireba11`	`Hawk13: "you can not" ?`
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`11:58.27`	`shad0wcat`	`first off`
`11:58.34`	`shad0wcat`	`we don't support Kanotix`
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`11:58.38`	`shad0wcat`	`secondly`
`11:58.44`	`shad0wcat`	`if you've only just started with linux`
`11:58.49`	`shad0wcat`	`why the hell are you using debian sid?`
`11:59.06`	`shad0wcat`	`that's pretty much suicidal`
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`12:01.07`	`Hawk13`	`because i got an open window and i did say i was new... have a heart`
`12:01.21`	`Hawk13`	`shadowcat`
`12:01.24`	`shad0wcat`	`Hawk13: if you run Debian we help you here`
`12:01.27`	`shad0wcat`	`otherwise we don't`
`12:01.30`	`shad0wcat`	`it's as simple as that`
`12:01.34`	`shad0wcat`	`!based on debian`
`12:01.34`	`dpkg`	`Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are not Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro.`
`12:01.35`	`Hawk13`	`have u never learned and had advice`
`12:01.47`	`Hawk13`	`goodbye`
`12:02.32`	`Hawk13`	`well shadow sorry to say i am learning and well may run debian..thanks to all for listening...`
`12:02.40`	`shad0wcat`	`Hawk13: actually I learned Debian by RTFM`
`12:02.54`	`shad0wcat`	`and I certainly didn't ask about debian in say an ubuntu channel`
`12:02.55`	`Hawk13`	`good on you`
`12:03.32`	`raz0`	`Is it possible to make wget save the real name of a file downloaded through a script like found on http://www.vim.org/scripts/download_script.php?`
`12:03.35`	`Hawk13`	`well sorry i made a mistake.. i was told apt-get was a debian tool so i asked on debian...?? whats that?`
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`12:03.53`	`shad0wcat`	`it may be a debian tool`
`12:03.57`	`shad0wcat`	`but you're not using it IN debian`
`12:04.03`	`shad0wcat`	`so unless you go and install debian`
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`12:04.13`	`shad0wcat`	`ask about it in that specific distro channel`
`12:04.15`	`g0th`	`hi`
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`12:04.34`	`g0th`	`I just upgraded my debian sid, and now my external usb hard drive isn't recognized anymore`
`12:04.45`	`g0th`	`It might be related to the udev/hotplug update`
`12:04.45`	`shad0wcat`	`then you shouldn't be running debian sid`
`12:04.50`	`Hawk13`	`yes as i say a mistake.. have you never made a mistake... good on you my friend.. good...`
`12:04.53`	`shad0wcat`	`you obviously don't know what you're doing`
`12:05.09`	`g0th`	`shad0wcat: could you please explain obviously!`
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`12:05.13`	`Hawk13`	`obviously.. and you dont know what needing help to learn means`
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`12:05.18`	`Beik`	`othernoob, maybe a clean installation of debian would be the easiest way if you don't have a lot of esoteric hardware which needs lot of manual configuration.`
`12:05.20`	`shad0wcat`	`bah`
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`12:05.33`	`Hawk13`	`godbye friendly shadowman`
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`12:05.54`	`hecormar`	`hello, deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main is not working to me.. has it been changed ?`
`12:06.04`	`g0th`	`well I'm not here to start a flame war, but I consider this quite rude/insulting... :(`
`12:06.04`	`shad0wcat`	`g0th: do you know what sid entails?`
`12:06.16`	`g0th`	`wait, entails=? (english)`
`12:06.23`	`shad0wcat`	`it's debian UNSTABLE`
`12:06.27`	`g0th`	`yes`
`12:06.28`	`shad0wcat`	`the development tree of debian`
`12:06.34`	`g0th`	`I use debians since about 7 years`
`12:06.36`	`shad0wcat`	`and you shouldn't be running it unless you know what you're doing`
`12:06.48`	`g0th`	`and how do you think I don't know what I'm doing?`
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`12:06.57`	`g0th`	`debian sid is quite stable`
`12:06.57`	`SimonRaven`	`skills are a determining factor`
`12:06.59`	`othernoob`	`Beik: it'd be a clean install, along with a clean install of XP. i'm planning on doing it this weekend.`
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`12:07.06`	`g0th`	`at least much more stable than _a lot_ of distros out there`
`12:07.09`	`shad0wcat`	`because apparently you never learned to check package dependencies during all that time`
`12:07.20`	`shad0wcat`	`g0th: so that's why libc6 is broken in sid?`
`12:07.22`	`SimonRaven`	`you wouldn't be saying that in mid-C++ ABI transition ;)`
`12:07.22`	`g0th`	`and everything besides debian sid (of debian) is _way_ out of date`
`12:07.35`	`g0th`	`I never run into problem with it at least`
`12:07.37`	`SimonRaven`	`...`
`12:07.41`	`g0th`	`but other distros have worse problems`
`12:07.42`	`shad0wcat`	`g0th: then why are you here?`
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`12:07.50`	`g0th`	`I'm here because of an udev issue`
`12:08.01`	`Eiscreme`	`Does Debian SARGE use "xorg" or "xfree" by default?`
`12:08.02`	`g0th`	`And I was hoping it's a known issue`
`12:08.05`	`shad0wcat`	`the fact that you never bothered to check that the latest udev throws out hotplug`
`12:08.12`	`g0th`	`I did that`
`12:08.17`	`shad0wcat`	`shows that you SHOULD'T be running it`
`12:08.23`	`g0th`	`how do you think I didn't check that?`
`12:08.23`	`shad0wcat`	`shoudn't even`
`12:08.27`	`g0th`	`??`
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`12:08.30`	`g0th`	`you just insult me again`
`12:08.32`	`shad0wcat`	`g0th: do you know what hotplug does?`
`12:08.33`	`Shadur`	`Eiscreme: xfree`
`12:08.38`	`g0th`	`how do you conclude that I don't know that`
`12:08.40`	`SimonRaven`	`running sid implies that you are able to report bugs, test things, etc. you shouldn't be running it to be "leet"`
`12:08.53`	`Eiscreme`	`Shadur: Would it work when I save my XF86Config from Knoppix ?`
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`12:08.54`	`shad0wcat`	`g0th: because of the question you're asking`
`12:08.59`	`r3tex`	`how do i print a file from xpdf?`
`12:09.08`	`Shadur`	`Eiscreme: It might, or it might not. Try at your own risk`
`12:09.09`	`r3tex`	`lpr doesn't work without arguments afaik`
`12:09.12`	`g0th`	`udev now handles hotplug iirc`
`12:09.16`	`SimonRaven`	`g0th: the things you say make it pretty obvious`
`12:09.22`	`g0th`	`well it adds devices`
`12:09.23`	`Fanskapet`	`http://pastebin.com/397418`
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`12:09.26`	`g0th`	`if it finds one`
`12:09.29`	`Fanskapet`	`anyone know what's wrong with this one?`
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`12:09.43`	`shad0wcat`	`sigh`
`12:09.43`	`shad0wcat`	`go back to debian testing`
`12:09.43`	`Shadur`	`g0th: Yes, and it asks you very explicitly to purge the hotplug package to get rid of stray conffiles.`
`12:09.49`	`g0th`	`I did that`
`12:09.50`	`Fanskapet`	`i get ./kaid: line 14: --d: command not found`
`12:09.50`	`Fanskapet`	`Usage: ./kaid {start\|stop\|restart}`
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`12:09.51`	`Shadur`	`Assuming, of course, that you actually, y'know, PAID ATTENTION.`
`12:09.52`	`shad0wcat`	`it'll save us a lot of trouble`
`12:10.01`	`Fanskapet`	`dont' mind the --d, -d doesn't work either :)`
`12:10.06`	`g0th`	`could you please stop beeing rude`
`12:10.13`	`shad0wcat`	`now considering that hotplug manages anything hotpluggable`
`12:10.15`	`g0th`	`how do you concluded that I didn't do this?`
`12:10.19`	`shad0wcat`	`including usb/firewire`
`12:10.22`	`g0th`	`yes`
`12:10.25`	`Eiscreme`	`Shadur: Is it easy to get X work on Debian Sarge 3.1? (I have the first DVD)`
`12:10.33`	`shad0wcat`	`it shouldn't come as a bloody surprise that your usb devices stopped working after you threw it out`
`12:10.40`	`shad0wcat`	`if you can't connect these types of dots`
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`12:10.46`	`shad0wcat`	`you shouldn't be running debian unstable`
`12:10.55`	`shad0wcat`	`because some dependencies are a lot more obscure than this`
`12:11.02`	`g0th`	`iirc it is now in udev or not?`
`12:11.03`	`relaxed`	`hotplugging work just fine without hotplug.`
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`12:11.14`	`g0th`	`yes`
`12:11.26`	`SimonRaven`	`etch is plenty updated. not happy? file a bug stating there's a new upstream version. simple`
`12:11.37`	`elirips`	`hello. i'm trying to add a 2nd keyboard to my laptop. but i get: usb 4-3.3: new low speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 13; sb 4-3.3: device descriptor read/64, error -32. can it be that linux has problem with ps2 keyboards that are connected to an usb-hub with a ps2->usb-adapter?`
`12:11.50`	`Beik`	`othernoob, you can try to save your list of installed packages with 'dpkg --get-selections > packet-liste.txt' to a file. 'dpkg --set-selections < packet-liste.txt' should mark those packages to be installed under debian. but if ubuntu and debian package-naming differ, errors may occur. Anyways, viel Erfolg!`
`12:12.09`	`g0th`	`hmm, is udev still in the main debian tree?`
`12:12.10`	`relaxed`	`SimonRaven: you sound like a broken record.`
`12:12.20`	`relaxed`	`g0th: yes.`
`12:12.26`	`SimonRaven`	`relaxed: yeh, whatever. your point being?`
`12:12.28`	`elirips`	`not even the leds for num lock, caps lock and scroll lock on the keyboard work.`
`12:12.30`	`g0th`	`as it's listed as an untrusted source I just saw`
`12:12.32`	`g0th`	`hmm`
`12:12.47`	`SimonRaven`	`!tell g0th about apt secure`
`12:12.48`	`g0th`	`strange`
`12:12.50`	`Shadur`	`relaxed: Some things need to be repeated because people don't seem to be able to listen the first time.`
`12:13.06`	`othernoob`	`Beik: danke :) i shall do that`
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`12:13.29`	`NotHappy`	`how to mount a 32mb fat usb drive?`
`12:13.33`	`g0th`	`so I can get untrusted stuff also if I don't use the special untrusted debian repository, even with main debian packages?`
`12:13.36`	`rss`	`hi, how to set wallpaper in openbox?`
`12:13.52`	`g0th`	`arc`
`12:14.07`	`g0th`	`arg, I take that back, somehow it failed for a lot of packages`
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`12:14.14`	`SimonRaven`	`g0th: it shouldn't be doing that. you might want to see that http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174 link on how to add the new key`
`12:14.18`	`g0th`	`I need to check that, but now I first would like to get this usb stuff working`
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`12:14.27`	`g0th`	`thx`
`12:14.32`	`SimonRaven`	`there's an older key, a newer key is in /usr/share`
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`12:14.40`	`jim`	`NotHappy: find what linux calls it... check dmesg`
`12:14.44`	`SimonRaven`	`or fetch it from the keyserver`
`12:14.56`	`shad0wcat`	`NotHappy: that should be /dev/sd*`
`12:15.11`	`shad0wcat`	`mount /dev/sda1 /media/usb`
`12:15.13`	`shad0wcat`	`for example`
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`12:15.39`	`Fanskapet`	`http://pastebin.com/397422`
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`12:15.47`	`Fanskapet`	`anyone know what's wrong with that init.d file?`
`12:15.52`	`Fanskapet`	`i get ./kaid: line 13: -d: command not found`
`12:15.53`	`jim`	`sd because it's pretending to be a scsi drive`
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`12:15.59`	`Fanskapet`	`Usage: ./kaid {start\|stop\|restart}`
`12:16.00`	`SimonRaven`	`i must say, those usb pen drives (? is that what they're called?) seem mighty handy`
`12:16.09`	`SimonRaven`	`jim: it uses the SCSI sub-layer`
`12:16.10`	`jim`	`Fanskapet: show line 13`
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`12:16.29`	`shad0wcat`	`actually there should be a general block device layer in the kernel`
`12:16.32`	`shad0wcat`	`but there isn't one`
`12:16.40`	`shad0wcat`	`so anything not IDE is stuffed into the SCSI layer`
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`12:16.48`	`jim`	`oic`
`12:16.58`	`jim`	`scsi stuffer`
`12:17.02`	`asg`	`Fanskapet: you need quotes around the string`
`12:17.05`	`Fanskapet`	`jim: yes but what's wrong with it? :)`
`12:17.08`	`Fanskapet`	`aha okey.`
`12:17.09`	`asg`	`#`
`12:17.13`	`jim`	`did you show it?`
`12:17.13`	`asg`	`daemon="${KAIDHOME}/kaid ${KAIDARGS}"`
`12:17.16`	`BinaryTrust`	`hi, i was banned from #debian.de but dont now why? what cann i do to connect back to #debian.de ?`
`12:17.21`	`g0th`	`ok`
`12:17.24`	`SimonRaven`	`that would be interesting. and branch off ide scsi, etc. from that. though you'd have to re-do stuff from scratch (or maybe not, if done right). would add a lot of code to the kernel possibly, however`
`12:17.25`	`g0th`	`it's now trusted`
`12:17.30`	`g0th`	`:)`
`12:17.36`	`g0th`	`thanks again SimonRaven`
`12:17.46`	`SimonRaven`	`BinaryTrust: ask the person who banned you, not us`
`12:17.50`	`SimonRaven`	`g0th: np`
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`12:17.53`	`Rasko\|nikov`	`hi`
`12:17.54`	`BinaryTrust`	`im new in irc and connected whit differenz irc clients, may this be the problem?`
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`12:18.20`	`jim`	`BinaryTrust: so did you see yourself getting banned or kicked?`
`12:18.27`	`g0th`	`so any idea why udev doesn't seem to work?`
`12:18.29`	`SimonRaven`	`hello spohr`
`12:18.29`	`Fanskapet`	`Starting kaid: ./kaid: line 18: daemon: command not found`
`12:18.34`	`Fanskapet`	`this goes just great :`
`12:18.36`	`Fanskapet`	`:P`
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`12:18.57`	`asg`	`Fanskapet: you need to ref the variable 'i.e. $daemon'`
`12:18.58`	`Rasko\|nikov`	`my problem is: when using X.Org + Gnome-settings-dameon they keyboard stops working and i have to press each key-press must be at least 1 sec long to be detected`
`12:19.00`	`g0th`	`it specifically mentions that udev replaces hotplug, so I don't think that hotplug is the issue, unless the "udev hotplug replacement" is simply broken`
`12:19.02`	`SimonRaven`	`g0th: see BTS, and the list posts on debian-devel`
`12:19.02`	`Rasko\|nikov`	`any suggestions?`
`12:19.09`	`g0th`	`BTS=?`
`12:19.15`	`asg`	`Fanskapet: perhaps a trip to #bash and the ABS might help`
`12:19.18`	`SimonRaven`	`!btssmite g0th`
`12:19.21`	`Fanskapet`	`asg: hmm what do you mean by that?`
`12:19.28`	`g0th`	`ahh`
`12:19.29`	`g0th`	`sure`
`12:19.39`	`SimonRaven`	`hehe`
`12:19.42`	`g0th`	`why bts?`
`12:19.44`	`jim`	`Fanskapet: if you gain an interest in learning how to program in the bash shell, info bash is the definitive language reference`
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`12:19.51`	`asg`	`Fanskapet: it means you set variables with FOO=bar and use them with $FOO (at least in sh)`
`12:19.56`	`SimonRaven`	`because it's there`
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`12:20.18`	`SimonRaven`	`lemme see if dpkg has a factoid for it. i seem to remember something...`
`12:20.19`	`g0th`	`aso`
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`12:20.25`	`g0th`	`Bug Tracking System`
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`12:20.36`	`BinaryTrust`	`i dont know if i was kicked or banned. how can i see who have banned me?`
`12:20.46`	`Rasko\|nikov`	`my problem is: when using X.Org + Gnome-settings-dameon they keyboard stops working and i have to press each key-press must be at least 1 sec long to be detected. am i the only one suffering this?`
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`12:21.22`	`jim`	`Fanskapet: if you don't gain such an interest and yet you're asking how to make your script work, that's fair game for paid programming work`
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`12:21.51`	`BinaryTrust`	`if i try to connect i get the message Banned from channel ...`
`12:22.05`	`SimonRaven`	`BinaryTrust: would help to remember who asked for ops from chanserv, right before you got kicked`
`12:22.18`	`SimonRaven`	`something like`
`12:22.32`	`jim`	`what was your nick and hostmask`
`12:22.39`	`SimonRaven`	`"ChanServ sets mode +o to foobar"`
`12:23.20`	`jim`	`or *** Mode change +o foobar on channel #debian-de`
`12:23.34`	`SimonRaven`	`1 - #debian.de: ban !=binary@*.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (by Myon!i=cb@meitner.df7cb.de, 88455 secs ago)`
`12:23.38`	`BinaryTrust`	`"/ChanServ`
`12:23.48`	`BinaryTrust`	`"/ChanServ`
`12:23.51`	`jim`	`that's about 7 days ago`
`12:24.15`	`BinaryTrust`	`banned by Myon`
`12:24.19`	`Myon`	`BinaryTrust: hi`
`12:24.22`	`BinaryTrust`	`hi`
`12:24.26`	`jim`	`so they banned you specifically`
`12:24.29`	`SimonRaven`	`what's displayed depends on the client, really. but the basics are the same`
`12:24.33`	`bbrazil`	`jim: thats 1 day - 86400 seconds`
`12:24.35`	`BinaryTrust`	`why, what do i wrong?`
`12:24.37`	`Myon`	`BinaryTrust: you had too many reconnects with different, strange nicks`
`12:24.39`	`SimonRaven`	`indeed they did`
`12:24.48`	`jim`	`dunno :)`
`12:24.59`	`BinaryTrust`	`what is a strange nick?`
`12:25.03`	`Myon`	`[`
`12:25.07`	`Myon`	`l`
`12:25.14`	`Myon`	`unbanned now`
`12:25.17`	`BinaryTrust`	`is this not allowed in irc?`
`12:25.36`	`BinaryTrust`	`thx!`
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`12:25.46`	`Myon`	`it is allowed, but if you play join-part games, it makes you look like a bot`
`12:25.48`	`SimonRaven`	`no, but it makes people worried you're trying to do something nasty`
`12:25.52`	`jim`	`BinaryTrust: you were bothering the people who were trying to talk... if you generate lines, this can cause the screen to move faster`
`12:25.55`	`SimonRaven`	`or a bot`
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`12:26.16`	`Myon`	`and you didn't react when I talked to you on #debian.de/oftc`
`12:26.26`	`jim`	`every time you change your nick it's a line... every time you join or leave, those are lines`
`12:26.31`	`SimonRaven`	`BinaryTrust: i'd recommend you read an IRC FAQ`
`12:26.33`	`Akbar`	`what usenet client should I go for?`
`12:26.42`	`Akbar`	`never tried it`
`12:26.49`	`Myon`	`slrn`
`12:26.49`	`jim`	`Akbar: one that works on usenet!`
`12:27.00`	`jah`	`Akbar: slrn works great`
`12:27.09`	`Akbar`	`yeah for pulling down binaries and stuff`
`12:27.12`	`Akbar`	`ok`
`12:27.16`	`Myon`	`jim: 80000s is 1d ;)`
`12:27.33`	`SimonRaven`	`rounded off yeh =)`
`12:27.43`	`Beik`	`Akbar: http://packages.debian.org/stable/news/`
`12:27.50`	`jim`	`so lessee... 900s is 15 mins, right?`
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`12:27.53`	`SimonRaven`	`though you'd round up not down`
`12:28.06`	`jim`	`3600 is one hr`
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`12:28.58`	`SimonRaven`	`sigh. fucking multicast bugs now...`
`12:29.46`	`bureado`	`Hey everyone. This is a non-technical question. How much time does Debian Security Team takes to release a patched package? I'm from Venezuela, and I need this information to promote Debian :)`
`12:30.19`	`SimonRaven`	`as soon as possible. usually within 24-48 hours`
`12:30.25`	`asg`	`bureado: it depends. hours to days usually.`
`12:30.40`	`jim`	`bureado: as far as I've heard (-guessing- here) hours or a day or so`
`12:30.56`	`asg`	`bureado: for instance, an sshd bug is more likely to get attention than a local exploit in cowsay`
`12:30.59`	`Shadur`	`bureado: Very little. They have to balance patching against at least some degree of internal testing, but usually within the day.`
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`12:31.46`	`SimonRaven`	`yeh, more accurate ^^^`
`12:32.02`	`Shadur`	`asg: On the other hand, a very intricate buffer overflow in xserver-xorg will take a bit longer to fix than an shellcode execution issue in a php script.`
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`12:32.36`	`asg`	`Shadur: of course`
`12:32.37`	`bureado`	`I see`
`12:32.38`	`jim`	`that's not meaning they're unaware as soon as anyone in debian`
`12:32.50`	`jim`	`just that some problems could be harder`
`12:33.01`	`g0th`	`when stopping and starting udev, I get this message: "Waiting for /dev to be fully populated...done (timeout)."`
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`12:33.15`	`bureado`	`There's heavy FSF lobbying in Venezuela. They're promoting Ututo (which is Gentoo-based, and a really-low-quality distro) over Debian since "Debian is proprietary software"`
`12:33.35`	`jim`	`it's not proprietaryu`
`12:33.38`	`SimonRaven`	`what?`
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`12:33.47`	`SimonRaven`	`it's hardly proprietary`
`12:33.52`	`Ronin`	`proprietary software? explain please bureado`
`12:33.53`	`jim`	`the FSF is fudding us??`
`12:33.59`	`asg`	`it's the only officially sanctioned RMS distro`
`12:34.01`	`SimonRaven`	`wtf did they get that fud?`
`12:34.03`	`bureado`	`Listen carefully`
`12:34.06`	`bureado`	`No, RMS is now promoting Ututo`
`12:34.16`	`asg`	`bureado: he has for a long time`
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`12:34.31`	`bureado`	`I think it's because Ututo developers smoke some kind of argentinian herb, but that's MHO.`
`12:34.41`	`SimonRaven`	`heh`
`12:34.47`	`asg`	`bureado: his only gripe with Debian is the non-free repo which, since it isn't a default part of sarge, causes no problem.`
`12:34.53`	`jim`	`and they give some to rms...`
`12:35.04`	`bureado`	`Ututo uses only GPL'ed software. And they started saying that Debian wasn't 100% free because you could download non-free software from the webpage.`
`12:35.05`	`md5sum`	`how do you enable the babelfish and search for blootbot?`
`12:35.10`	`rss`	`what do you smoke bureado?`
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`12:35.35`	`rss`	`what is UTOTO?`
`12:35.41`	`jim`	`google`
`12:35.45`	`Shadur`	`I think he means ubunto`
`12:35.47`	`bureado`	`Then Debian Project retired all non-free from the webpage and splitted non-free. Now they say Debian is proprietary because you can install non-free software.`
`12:35.48`	`jim`	`rss... google it`
`12:35.52`	`bureado`	`No, I mean Ututo. www.ututo.org`
`12:35.53`	`Shadur`	`er, ubuntu`
`12:35.58`	`asg`	`bureado: it's 100% free until you decide to use non-free. There is even a debian package called vrms that looks at your kit and determines whether it is RMS compliant`
`12:35.58`	`bureado`	`It's an argentinian distribution.`
`12:36.01`	`rss`	`jim: no browser here`
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`12:36.08`	`jim`	`nmp`
`12:36.09`	`rss`	`jim: no X`
`12:36.13`	`jim`	`nmp`
`12:36.16`	`bureado`	`asg: That's a _great_ information. I'm taking note.`
`12:36.19`	`Shadur`	`bureado: Sounds like whoever fed you that line was full of shite.`
`12:36.20`	`rss`	`jim: installinf links`
`12:36.39`	`bureado`	`Shadur: It was the two main Ututo developers, Diego Saravia and Daniel Olivera`
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`12:36.47`	`Shadur`	`bureado: I stand by my sentiment.`
`12:36.49`	`Ronin`	`funny that theyd say that bureado`
`12:36.52`	`rabautz`	`Hi, is it possible to use different php.ini-files per VirtualHost? I'm using apache2, php4, as a modul_ libapache2-mod-php4.`
`12:36.54`	`SimonRaven`	`well, they're full of it`
`12:36.59`	`asg`	`bureado: now, non-free exists for pragmatic reasons but it is not a requirement for a fully functioning system.`
`12:37.06`	`SimonRaven`	`indeed`
`12:37.09`	`rss`	`is it being endorsed by stallman?`
`12:37.19`	`jim`	`it's not even considered part of debian`
`12:37.20`	`bbrazil`	`rabautz: hmm, try in a <directory>`
`12:37.24`	`bureado`	`asg: I know, I know.`
`12:37.32`	`jah`	`I think there's even a program which detects non-free softwares`
`12:37.33`	`bureado`	`rss: It seems so.`
`12:37.36`	`jim`	`main is part of debian; contrib and non-free are not`
`12:37.37`	`asg`	`jah: vrms`
`12:37.41`	`rss`	`funny`
`12:37.43`	`asg`	`!info vrms`
`12:37.47`	`widrone`	`Hey Id be running buntu too if the gave me some of that harbal tea, until then Im getting my own and staying with debian.`
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`12:37.52`	`jah`	`rss: yeah :)`
`12:37.52`	`sobersabre`	`hi. vague q. not VERY debian specific. I want to be able to control a computer farm with dual linux/windowsXP machines. I wonder which ways are there to: force them to reboot into specific OS ?`
`12:37.54`	`Shadur`	`Debian has ALWAYS had extremely strict definitions of what would be officially considered "free" - and, by default, does not even add the non-free archives to apt.`
`12:37.56`	`dpkg`	`vrms: (virtual Richard M. Stallman), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.10 (sid), Packaged size: 9 kB, Installed size: 92 kB`
`12:38.01`	`asg`	`jah: ^^^`
`12:38.03`	`rss`	`what ever happened to GNU HURD!?`
`12:38.09`	`Shadur`	`sobersabre: Depends on your boot loader.`
`12:38.16`	`SimonRaven`	`!ddesc vrms`
`12:38.17`	`sobersabre`	`hmm, I meant of course REMOTELY`
`12:38.17`	`asg`	`rss: it's around and being activly developed`
`12:38.19`	`jim`	`that thing is way too slow`
`12:38.20`	`dpkg`	`Debian Desc Search of 'vrms' returned no results.`
`12:38.28`	`SimonRaven`	`bah, borked again`
`12:38.29`	`asg`	`rss: #hurd`
`12:38.35`	`bureado`	`They're participating in our migration process and they're not venezuelan, they're argentinian. We're trying to kick them off the country, since we've already voted on Debian as our distribution and they're still lobbying Ututo.`
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`12:38.47`	`SimonRaven`	`wtf`
`12:39.03`	`rss`	`i know... rms was selling hurd. Now, all of a sudden starts endorsing this.`
`12:39.06`	`Shadur`	`sobersabre: You can remotely log in to a linux system, tell the boot loader to start windows the next time (and only the next time) it loads and then reboot.`
`12:39.08`	`widrone`	`rss: According to http://popcon.debian.org/ there is atleast 3 installed hurd-i386 and they are probably in hiding.`
`12:39.09`	`g0th`	`ok, I did some checks on debian's BTS, but no results so far, has anyone in here experienced problems with the recent udev?`
`12:39.09`	`whm`	`can I install a 64bit debian by debootstrap in a 32bit system??`
`12:39.10`	`jim`	`gnu hurd has nice goals but it's too abstract and general for something that needs to -perform-`
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`12:39.14`	`jah`	`only GPL'd software are include in Ututo?`
`12:39.23`	`SimonRaven`	`IMO, the people directly affteced should have the say, not some people with a vested interest...`
`12:39.24`	`bureado`	`jah: Yes, they say`
`12:39.24`	`rss`	`widrone: one is tarzeau`
`12:39.30`	`SimonRaven`	`affected*`
`12:39.34`	`bureado`	`I've already searched their webpage, it's a gem on Web Design.`
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`12:39.43`	`g0th`	`I get eg. a completely different message (dmesg)`
`12:39.52`	`rss`	`widrone: heard he uses it to play nethack`
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`12:39.56`	`whm`	`I have problem's when do as some said`
`12:39.58`	`jah`	`bureado: so Ututo doesn't run X...`
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`12:40.15`	`sobersabre`	`Shadur: how do I do this ? ( i mean i understand it should be "ssh $host command" ) which command will it be ? :)`
`12:40.16`	`rss`	`tarzeau: how is hurd?`
`12:40.24`	`jim`	`whm: then ALWAYS read man page for commands BEFORE running them`
`12:40.27`	`sobersabre`	`I am using grub.`
`12:40.35`	`bureado`	`SimonRaven: That's the other part, me and the other Debian-users in Ven are working with the Government (which is migrating to free software), they aren't really working. They're just smoking RMS's herbs.`
`12:40.38`	`sobersabre`	`hmm... I wonder why...`
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`12:40.53`	`rss`	`bureado: let them...`
`12:41.05`	`whm`	`jim: i have read the man page of debootstrap`
`12:41.20`	`Shadur`	`bureado: Oh, brilliant - their website defaults to https and they've got a misconfigured self-signed certificate. That's two strikes.`
`12:41.43`	`SimonRaven`	`bureado: BTW, from what i hear anyway, your gov't actually listens to people. that's rare in this fucked up world`
`12:41.47`	`SimonRaven`	`Shadur: oh fun`
`12:41.49`	`sobersabre`	`Shadur: they want to be self signed CA... don't you understand ?`
`12:42.16`	`rss`	`rss: socialist ruled states in India have been proclaiming to mandate free software for long... till now nothing has happened.`
`12:42.17`	`Shadur`	`... Correction. They use the same self-signed cert on TWO different hostnames, NEITHER of which is the one the cert is for.`
`12:42.21`	`rss`	`oh`
`12:42.40`	`sobersabre`	`Shadur: this is a very common practice :)`
`12:42.42`	`Guerin`	`Shadur: that's misconfigured`
`12:43.08`	`Shadur`	`bureado: I can only surmise that by "gem on web design" you meant "It's a brilliant example of what not to do"`
`12:43.12`	`SimonRaven`	`sobersabre: i do that here, but i know how to configure it ;)`
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`12:43.15`	`bureado`	`Shadur: Exactly :)`
`12:43.16`	`g0th`	`arg`
`12:43.26`	`g0th`	`I installed the old version of udev/hotplug but it still fails`
`12:43.32`	`sobersabre`	`does grub support a one-time reboot into a chosen image ?`
`12:43.39`	`fireba11`	`haha`
`12:43.47`	`SimonRaven`	`um, yeh. if you still have the new udev there, of course it won't work`
`12:43.53`	`Shadur`	`Guerin: the cert is for ututo.org; their website is www.ututo.org, and it gets images from e.ututo.org.ar`
`12:44.00`	`SimonRaven`	`...`
`12:44.04`	`mkl1525`	`Hi, is there any recommendable search tool, that indexes my local directories and can speed up my long "grep -ri" sessions?`
`12:44.20`	`Shadur`	`The first part I could have put off as just a goof-up that anyone might have made. The latter was just retarded.`
`12:44.24`	`Beik`	`mkl1525: locate, slocate?`
`12:44.29`	`jim`	`sobersabre: the common practice is not good practice`
`12:44.33`	`sobersabre`	`SimonRaven: what do you do "that" there ?`
`12:44.34`	`g0th`	`SimonRaven: well of course that was removed`
`12:44.44`	`sobersabre`	`jim: depends where are you common ;)`
`12:44.52`	`Shadur`	`And the site itself looks pretty hideous.`
`12:45.07`	`g0th`	`SimonRaven: one cannot install 2 versions of one package (without forcing it)`
`12:45.07`	`Guerin`	`Shadur: yeah.`
`12:45.19`	`SimonRaven`	`sobersabre: self-signed certs, on HTTPS`
`12:45.33`	`SimonRaven`	`g0th: please don't lecture me. i know this`
`12:45.41`	`jim`	`g0th: one will replace the other anyway`
`12:45.47`	`g0th`	`so why tell me to remove it? ;)`
`12:45.49`	`sobersabre`	`OK, SimonRaven it is OK to have self signed cert, and give users user cert. no need fo rpassword ...`
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`12:46.05`	`SimonRaven`	`duh`
`12:46.13`	`SimonRaven`	`g0th: i didn't say that`
`12:46.14`	`jharrisonwk`	`hmmmm`
`12:46.22`	`jharrisonwk`	`use to be more people here`
`12:46.33`	`SimonRaven`	`yes. read /topic`
`12:46.36`	`g0th`	`indirectly`
`12:46.38`	`g0th`	`<SimonRaven> um, yeh. if you still have the new udev there, of course it won't work`
`12:46.48`	`g0th`	`anyway`
`12:47.23`	`g0th`	`hmm, is there a way to manually add it?`
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`12:47.25`	`SimonRaven`	`i didn't say "remove it"`
`12:47.31`	`g0th`	`yes`
`12:47.32`	`g0th`	`ok`
`12:47.33`	`jim`	`sobersabre: what's the point of using a cert at all?`
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`12:47.40`	`SimonRaven`	`don't put words in my mouth`
`12:47.46`	`sobersabre`	`jim: depends on your app;`
`12:47.55`	`SimonRaven`	`jim: alternate form of authing`
`12:48.02`	`sobersabre`	`jim: sometimes you want to assure _unknown_ users you are OK`
`12:48.06`	`jharrisonwk`	`has everyone retreated to some other place?`
`12:48.06`	`jim`	`does the auth have any point?`
`12:48.12`	`sobersabre`	`then you need official CA`
`12:48.15`	`jim`	`how does that assure anything?`
`12:48.25`	`bureado`	`And, by the way, Ututo is a super-project, with 40 developers from whom only 2 do the code :)`
`12:48.31`	`bureado`	`Come on, is Gentoo-based!`
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`12:48.34`	`SimonRaven`	`jharrisonwk: they'll trickle back in eventually`
`12:48.39`	`mkl1525`	`Beik, I need something that indexes my whole .c files so that I don't have to wait minutes until grep parsed all of them`
`12:48.50`	`sobersabre`	`jim: you pay a known CA to tell the others you're OK...`
`12:48.54`	`SimonRaven`	`bureado: hardly the type of distro i'd run on servers...`
`12:49.04`	`SimonRaven`	`sobersabre: a scam, IMO`
`12:49.14`	`sobersabre`	`:)`
`12:49.23`	`jharrisonwk`	`SimonRaven: did all the newbs find an irc client?`
`12:49.25`	`jim`	`bribery :) or potential for that :)`
`12:49.45`	`bigjocker`	`http://www.cacert.org/`
`12:49.50`	`bureado`	`SimonRaven: That's where the Deb Security question arise, I wanted to show what happens when there is a vulnerability and you have to: a) wget patches, b) recompile in every machine or just aptitude update ; aptitude upgrade or stuff.`
`12:49.50`	`jim`	`Yeah, see? got money, see? we're ok, see?`
`12:50.24`	`a_senna`	`wtf`
`12:50.25`	`jharrisonwk`	`bureado: are you serious?`
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`12:50.32`	`sobersabre`	`jim: i am busy with something, so if yuo have any irony, I won`
`12:50.35`	`sobersabre`	`'t notice`
`12:50.55`	`SimonRaven`	`jim: yes, because several large companies pay/lobby/whatever to get their certs into browser cert dbs, so they don't pop up "warnings" about "OHNOZ UNTRUSTED CERT DON'T DO IT!!!11" when a self-sgned works just as well`
`12:51.06`	`jharrisonwk`	`why am I banned from #debian-offtopic`
`12:51.10`	`jim`	`irony is for making shirts look smooth :)`
`12:51.13`	`SimonRaven`	`bureado: indeed`
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`12:51.30`	`nav5`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:51.39`	`Beik`	`mkl1525: sorry, then i don't know a solution for your problem.`
`12:51.41`	`bureado`	`They keep saying that compiling "is better".`
`12:51.43`	`sobersabre`	`Oll Korrect`
`12:51.44`	`bureado`	`Losers.`
`12:51.48`	`bureado`	`Compiling is so 1980's.`
`12:51.54`	`Guerin`	`yeah`
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`12:52.00`	`jharrisonwk`	`bureado: ?`
`12:52.09`	`Guerin`	`all the best software doesn't need compiling`
`12:52.16`	`jim`	`so is their cert a proper self-signed cert? or what?`
`12:52.17`	`jharrisonwk`	`Guerin: another familar face`
`12:52.25`	`Guerin`	`like, if debian can produce an entirely un-compiled distro, anyone can`
`12:52.33`	`ircdevil`	`bloody many stock alert spams today`
`12:52.40`	`jharrisonwk`	`Guerin: thought everyone went awall`
`12:52.42`	`Guerin`	`jharrisonwk: been fishin? Or just dodging hurricanes?`
`12:52.47`	`jharrisonwk`	`Guerin: both`
`12:52.48`	`streuner`	`hm`
`12:52.53`	`jharrisonwk`	`streuner!`
`12:53.00`	`SimonRaven`	`jim: no, also the web server is misconfigured. an HTTPS virtual host should be running on its own IP`
`12:53.00`	`Shadur`	`jim: It's properly self-signed. That's about the only thing they did get right about it, though- it's the wrong domain name twice over.`
`12:53.01`	`streuner`	`jharrisonwk: hi`
`12:53.03`	`sobersabre`	`jim, you need to check by physically visitting their office and comparing to what they have there ....`
`12:53.05`	`jharrisonwk`	`streuner: hi`
`12:53.08`	`g0th`	`http://rafb.net/paste/results/c9UIbf70.html`
`12:53.10`	`Guerin`	`jim: it is, they've just completely missed the point of ssl certificates`
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`12:53.15`	`g0th`	`^^- the old and the new message`
`12:53.22`	`jharrisonwk`	`Guerin: this place got too weird for me so I dropped off for a while`
`12:53.30`	`Guerin`	`jharrisonwk: you're not alone`
`12:53.35`	`jim`	`Guerin: right, that's what I suspected`
`12:53.35`	`jharrisonwk`	`Guerin: but I visit from time to time to see if the weirdness has gone`
`12:53.52`	`jharrisonwk`	`Guerin: I hear everyone is holed up in #debian-offtopic`
`12:54.00`	`Guerin`	`not really`
`12:54.09`	`jharrisonwk`	`true`
`12:54.17`	`jharrisonwk`	`ive been banned anyways`
`12:54.25`	`jharrisonwk`	`guess I pissed someone off`
`12:54.26`	`jharrisonwk`	`:)`
`12:54.33`	`g0th`	`I saw that it somehow tries scsi emulation`
`12:54.34`	`widrone`	`jharrisonwk: Judging from my first 20h here, its still in the wierd class of things.`
`12:54.42`	`g0th`	`I don't have sd compiled in`
`12:54.43`	`jharrisonwk`	`widrone: yes`
`12:54.44`	`Guerin`	`jharrisonwk: banned from ...?`
`12:54.49`	`g0th`	`so if it really tries scsi it will fail`
`12:54.52`	`jharrisonwk`	`Guerin: #debian-offtopic`
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`12:54.55`	`jharrisonwk`	`widrone: who are you?`
`12:54.55`	`Guerin`	`jharrisonwk: haha`
`12:54.57`	`ToMMY2k`	`Im trying to compile a driver for my ide controller card (highpoint 374 driver). I have configured, installed and am running a 2.6.13.4 kernel and I am trying to compile the module source against this kernel. I seem to be running into an error log that doesnt make much sence to me when I try to make the module and Im not sure where to start looking to fix the problem. Any help would be appreciated :) The log is at: http://channels.debian.net/paste/922`
`12:54.59`	`jharrisonwk`	`Guerin: :)`
`12:55.04`	`streuner`	`haha`
`12:55.14`	`g0th`	`one question is: why does it suddenly seem to try scsi emulation for usb storage?`
`12:55.22`	`streuner`	`How is this possible at all? :-)`
`12:55.31`	`jharrisonwk`	`I have a lifelong ban from #mandriva`
`12:55.34`	`SimonRaven`	`g0th: because it's written that way`
`12:55.46`	`jharrisonwk`	`but I never thought I would get banned from a #debian* channel`
`12:55.46`	`nav5`	`does anybody know the difference b/w internal and external ports ? I have to forward ports in my router`
`12:55.49`	`g0th`	`Well there is a module for usb_storage directly`
`12:55.54`	`widrone`	`jharrisonwk: New monkey on the block. Hanging around on some other channels anyway so I could not resist his channel.`
`12:56.07`	`SimonRaven`	`g0th: it's slow as molasses i hear`
`12:56.08`	`mkl1525`	`Beik, thanks anyway`
`12:56.15`	`jharrisonwk`	`widrone: do you have newb status?`
`12:56.22`	`g0th`	`ahh, and therefore they do scsi emulation in the new udev version?`
`12:56.40`	`SimonRaven`	`not sure, i don't use udev on my scsi machines`
`12:56.46`	`g0th`	`hmm, ok, I'll try recompiling my kernel with sd support`
`12:56.47`	`treyh0`	`what is the big deal with people wanting xorg anyway?`
`12:56.51`	`jharrisonwk`	`widrone: or are you just trying to survive the attack like the rest of us?`
`12:56.59`	`treyh0`	`whats wrong w/ the old xfree before licensing changes :/`
`12:56.59`	`Guerin`	`!sns syndrome`
`12:56.59`	`dpkg`	`somebody said sns syndrome was a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Software Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition.`
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`12:57.18`	`g0th`	`treyh0: my nvidia drivers don't work with xfree86`
`12:57.22`	`jharrisonwk`	`treyh0: I suppose you want xfree86 dont you?`
`12:57.36`	`treyh0`	`jharrisonwk: i dont really care, whatever works and whatever comes with debian`
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`12:57.45`	`jharrisonwk`	`treyh0: well thats more like it!`
`12:57.51`	`widrone`	`jharrisonwk: Dunno who sets newb flags around here, but I problably am flagged. Im trying to relearn my mix-nix skills the debian way, and I think this is the place.`
`12:58.07`	`treyh0`	`debian defines the current state of "linux" and "gnu" to me`
`12:58.11`	`treyh0`	`keep that buggy stuff away from me`
`12:58.16`	`Bob332`	`can someone tell me the best way to secure a directory of backup files with encryption????`
`12:58.21`	`jharrisonwk`	`widrone: yeah if you can dodge the crap`
`12:58.22`	`SimonRaven`	`widrone: we'll try not to bite your head off (j/k) ;)`
`12:58.38`	`bureado`	`Have a nice day everyone`
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`12:58.41`	`asg`	`Bob332: either use a crypto loop mount or tar the lot up and encrypt it with gpg`
`12:58.45`	`widrone`	`jharrisonwk: Least you get told to go die if you try a non debian way, its all good.`
`12:58.46`	`jharrisonwk`	`Bob332: gpg?`
`12:58.47`	`Shadur`	`Bob332: tar --use-compression-program gpg`
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`12:59.42`	`asg`	`Shadur: :)`
`13:00.00`	`SimonRaven`	`oo neat trick`
`13:00.24`	`zOap`	`Hi, is there a debian project(or other) which is meant for media boxes? like MS MediaCenter, brrr?`
`13:00.45`	`asg`	`zOap: mythtv, freevo`
`13:00.51`	`asg`	`zOap: not debian specific but supported`
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`13:01.01`	`zOap`	`asg, tjanks man:)`
`13:01.24`	`jharrisonwk`	`asg: surviving I see`
`13:01.27`	`zOap`	`thats tHanks man... my keyboard layout.. ohmg`
`13:01.39`	`SimonRaven`	`asg has a thick skin`
`13:01.45`	`asg`	`jharrisonwk: oh yes, I've only had one call for me to be banned`
`13:01.45`	`ToMMY2k`	`anyone got any ideas on my problem? Should I repost my request?`
`13:01.57`	`jharrisonwk`	`asg: from here?`
`13:02.02`	`jim`	`ToMMY2k: webize it`
`13:02.10`	`jim`	`ToMMY2k: add information to it`
`13:02.15`	`Guerin`	`jim: he did`
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`13:02.19`	`Guerin`	`jim: try to keep up`
`13:02.24`	`ToMMY2k`	`:) haha`
`13:02.30`	`Guerin`	`ToMMY2k: what compiler?`
`13:02.33`	`SimonRaven`	`ToMMY2k: looking now`
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`13:02.46`	`ToMMY2k`	`gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)`
`13:02.46`	`Guerin`	`ToMMY2k: if it's gcc4, try using 3.x`
`13:02.50`	`Guerin`	`oh, ok`
`13:02.53`	`Guerin`	`hm`
`13:02.54`	`Bob332`	`asg, jharrisonwk, Shadur . Great, so i can use Gpg on my debian machine...any idea on what i can use for my win. xp machine. I am looking at PGP freeware now`
`13:03.01`	`SimonRaven`	`looks like a code bug`
`13:03.10`	`Guerin`	`yeah`
`13:03.12`	`ToMMY2k`	`not a stupid neb bug then :(`
`13:03.23`	`jharrisonwk`	`asg: every time I get some dark chocolate digestives I put one aside for you`
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`13:03.29`	`ToMMY2k`	`how frustrating`
`13:03.32`	`SimonRaven`	`take a look at that function, and see if that 'abort_reason' is present`
`13:03.37`	`asg`	`Bob332: that I don't know.`
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`13:03.43`	`asg`	`jharrisonwk: :)`
`13:03.51`	`jharrisonwk`	`asg: but then my wife eats them`
`13:04.01`	`asg`	`jharrisonwk: better not to waste them`
`13:04.05`	`jharrisonwk`	`asg: yes this is true`
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`13:04.39`	`SimonRaven`	`@lart stupid spam bots`
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`13:04.59`	`tpr`	`panic! debian sarge netinst wont recognize a partitionable media, I have a fresh HD just installed on my laptop! :x`
`13:05.20`	`SimonRaven`	`first rule: don't panic.`
`13:05.31`	`SimonRaven`	`second, did you run hardware detect yet?`
`13:05.31`	`tpr`	`im not really panicing, badly anyway :)`
`13:05.39`	`Shadur`	`Bob332: There are multiple implementations of php for windows, but how to make them work is up to you.`
`13:05.41`	`SimonRaven`	`;)`
`13:05.56`	`Shadur`	`I solve that particular problem by not storing anything sensitive on my windows disk.`
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`13:06.00`	`SimonRaven`	`for various meanings of 'work'`
`13:06.01`	`tpr`	`SimonRaven: well um yes and no, the netinst i have ran atleast some sort of hardware detecting`
`13:06.04`	`Bob332`	`Shadur, pgp u mean`
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`13:06.17`	`Bob332`	`haha`
`13:06.17`	`tpr`	`SimonRaven: I checked dmesg on another console screen, there was no indiciation of any ide disks :(`
`13:06.29`	`Shadur`	`pgp, yes.`
`13:06.38`	`widrone`	`tpr: Is there any bios that reset itself or failed to detect your new disk?`
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`13:06.47`	`SimonRaven`	`try running the detection phase again`
`13:07.04`	`SimonRaven`	`oh yeh, bios.... i forget how lame those are...`
`13:07.22`	`tpr`	`SimonRaven: I did a couple of times, but yeah like widrone sayd must be something in bios, but this compaq laptops bios is..for lack of a better word, GAY :P`
`13:07.36`	`SimonRaven`	`happy BIOSes?`
`13:07.48`	`tpr`	`geesh ;)`
`13:07.52`	`tpr`	`okey bios here i come`
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`13:08.30`	`widrone`	`tpr: Not sure Id use the words bios and Compaq in the same sentance even. Pray you dont have a bios partition on the old HD =/`
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`13:09.10`	`byteshack`	`is there a tool to help me find the "best" debian mirror for my machine?`
`13:09.21`	`SimonRaven`	`the cosest one`
`13:09.21`	`jim`	`byteshack: brain`
`13:09.24`	`SimonRaven`	`closest*`
`13:09.24`	`treyh0`	`byteshack: mirrorselect`
`13:09.40`	`treyh0`	`or ...`
`13:09.42`	`treyh0`	`damn what was it`
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`13:09.48`	`treyh0`	`it was mentioned on www.debian-administration.org`
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`13:10.12`	`treyh0`	`byteshack: apt-get install netselect`
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`13:10.54`	`tpr`	`widrone: well that was something weird - the "bios" i can access with this laptop is named "rom based setup", it has no detection things for HDs etc, I disabled quick boot though, hopefully illg et more info on HDs`
`13:11.04`	`tpr`	`but its scanning the memory, 20% done :P`
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`13:11.28`	`SimonRaven`	`AFI`
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`13:13.18`	`megabit`	`HI!! Do someone use gaim and plugin called Gaim-xmms-remote? I have got with it problem. Can you help me with it?`
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`13:14.23`	`Nod51`	`is the latest kernel in unstable (2.6.12) compiled with gcc 4.0?`
`13:14.57`	`asg`	`Nod51: cat /proc/version`
`13:15.11`	`Nod51`	`I don't have it installed...`
`13:15.33`	`vDopey`	`dopey@M3ntal:~$ cat /proc/version`
`13:15.33`	`vDopey`	`Linux version 2.6.12-1-k7 (horms@tabatha.lab.ultramonkey.org) (gcc version 4.0.2 20050917 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.1-8)) #1 Tue Sep 27 13:22:07 JST 20`
`13:15.35`	`Nod51`	`well I will just compile the 2.6.13 then I will know`
`13:15.42`	`Nod51`	`oh sweet`
`13:15.46`	`Nod51`	`thx`
`13:15.49`	`vDopey`	`np`
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`13:16.13`	`vDopey`	`Ive seen pre releases of 2.6.13`
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`13:17.50`	`vDopey`	`in unstable`
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`13:18.23`	`Nod51`	`vDopey: I don't really need the newest kernel, just modules are hard to install with different gcc, though I don't seen 2.6.13...`
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`13:18.41`	`Nod51`	`vDopey: I'll get the latest if I can.`
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`13:19.10`	`Nod51`	`'apt-cache search 2.6.13' returned nothing`
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`13:20.21`	`vDopey`	`what module are you trying to install ?`
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`13:20.47`	`vDopey`	`Sorry my mistake the 2.6.13 headers are in, but Im not sure about the actual image`
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`13:22.10`	`rohal`	`i installed debian using debootstrap.....but could launch X....some one said u have messed up with your /dev...you cant move ahead....now can anyone guide me what should i do beside reinstalling it all over again?`
`13:22.15`	`ricky_clarkson`	`Is a 0.0.0.0 netmask legal?`
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`13:22.30`	`amorphix`	`hi`
`13:22.31`	`Nod51`	`vDopey: madwifi, ATI, ipw2100 modules`
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`13:22.56`	`rohal`	`sorry i mean could not launch X`
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`13:23.18`	`dorto`	`where can i find "what's new in etch?" kind of information? google is giving me wierd results`
`13:23.29`	`vDopey`	`ATI, oh boy. I know the new driver works with 2.6.12 in debian`
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`13:24.05`	`Nod51`	`vDopey: they work with my current 2.6.10 but I had to modify the makefile for the gcc version`
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`13:24.11`	`vDopey`	`this laptop is running on an ATI x700, and it is working with just the base.`
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`13:24.24`	`Q-FUNK`	`about Secure APT. why does apt-get keep on refetching the Release.gpg of every repository whenever I run and update?`
`13:24.25`	`wlazian`	`hi, i want to install a latex style file. in which directory should i copy it?`
`13:24.33`	`Nod51`	`vDopey: I have a 9000 moble`
`13:24.35`	`vDopey`	`I havent needed to, I did have to initially but they recently released a driver that works with 2.6.12 from debian`
`13:24.51`	`rohal`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:25.02`	`vDopey`	`ill be back at work`
`13:25.07`	`vDopey`	`need to sort somethin`
`13:25.09`	`asg`	`wlazian: iirc, /usr/local/share/texmf`
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`13:27.02`	`cahoot`	`asg: does latex look there by default in debian?`
`13:27.22`	`wlazian`	`asg: that does not work`
`13:27.23`	`asg`	`cahoot: I'm not sure, if it doesn't, then /usr/local/share/texmf is rather worthless`
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`13:27.46`	`wlazian`	`how can i manipulate the search path?`
`13:27.59`	`jim`	`Q-FUNK: that's what it does`
`13:28.00`	`cahoot`	`kpathsea?`
`13:28.06`	`dorto`	`atleast a short feature list of debian etch?`
`13:28.15`	`asg`	`wlazian: as a quick work around, you can put the style in the same dir as your .tex source and it should be included fine`
`13:28.19`	`jim`	`what did you think update was supposed to do?`
`13:28.46`	`abrotman`	`up the dates?`
`13:28.55`	`asg`	`fuck the dates, up the irons!`
`13:29.02`	`jim`	`down the dates unless they're dating me`
`13:29.11`	`jim`	`yeah, that too :)`
`13:29.34`	`jim`	`wlazian: what search path?`
`13:29.45`	`jim`	`there's lotsa search paths which one`
`13:29.53`	`asg`	`jim: latex`
`13:30.11`	`wlazian`	`jim: the path where latex looks for .sty files`
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`13:30.16`	`jim`	`ahh`
`13:30.33`	`tpr`	`stupid compaqs theres no way to see if it even detects the new HD`
`13:30.36`	`cahoot`	`wlazian: run texconfig and look at the Kpatsea variable`
`13:30.44`	`jim`	`there's only at least one or maybe zero of those :)`
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`13:31.19`	`cahoot`	`wlazian: $HOME/texmf looks valid`
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`13:33.41`	`g0th_`	`re`
`13:33.44`	`g0th_`	`it worked :))`
`13:34.07`	`g0th_`	`it recognized my usb storage as a scsi disc now and it all works again :)`
`13:34.12`	`g0th_`	`thanks for the help...`
`13:34.19`	`tpr`	`anyway to see if the debian installer gave any error msgs detecting HDs, /dev/ doesnt show any ide disks :(`
`13:34.59`	`jm_`	`tpr: it uses devfs`
`13:35.03`	`abrotman`	`try the bios ?`
`13:35.08`	`abrotman`	`try dmesg ?`
`13:35.11`	`jm_`	`and you can check other consoles for some details`
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`13:35.18`	`g0th_`	`even usbmount works :)`
`13:35.31`	`tpr`	`dmesg showed nothing, i dont know if this rom based setup is the same as 'bios' for compaq, i cant enter bios with the usual buttons`
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`13:35.46`	`abrotman`	`tpr: what kind of freak ass machine is this ?`
`13:35.52`	`tpr`	`compaq evo n800w`
`13:36.01`	`abrotman`	`thin client ?`
`13:36.05`	`slushpupie`	`is there a good method of updating /etc/services besides editing it? (from a package)`
`13:36.07`	`rohal`	`i have installed debian with i386 architecture and installed kernel with i686 ....will that create a problem?`
`13:36.11`	`tpr`	`abrotman: come again? :p`
`13:36.16`	`asg`	`slushpupie: update-inetd`
`13:36.18`	`abrotman`	`tpr: it's a regular PC?.. it has a bios`
`13:36.22`	`asg`	`slushpupie: bah sorry, my mistake`
`13:36.49`	`tpr`	`abrotman: its a laptop`
`13:36.54`	`abrotman`	`it still has a bis`
`13:36.55`	`abrotman`	`bios`
`13:37.17`	`abrotman`	`unless i'm way off .. windows won't work without a bios`
`13:37.21`	`tpr`	`abrotman: one would think so yeah :P but I cant seem to find it, I tried to look at the manuals :)`
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`13:37.32`	`abrotman`	`and heaven forbid someone would sell a machine that doesn't work with windows`
`13:37.35`	`abrotman`	`(PC )`
`13:37.37`	`tpr`	`hrhr`
`13:37.48`	`tpr`	`maybe I should see if windows recognizes the drive`
`13:37.50`	`abrotman`	`tpr: read the .. manual? .. hit F12 .. F2 ? tab ?`
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`13:37.59`	`abrotman`	`call compaq ?`
`13:37.59`	`tpr`	`just need a freakin win cd`
`13:38.05`	`tpr`	`abrotman: tab I didnt try`
`13:38.06`	`wlazian`	`cahoot : it only works, if the style file is in the same directory as the tex file`
`13:38.14`	`rohal`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:38.19`	`widrone`	`tpr: You read this monkeyman? http://tuxmobil.org/compaq.html`
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`13:38.48`	`vDopey`	`Nod51: The card falls within the range of the ati driver so I dont see a problem with it`
`13:38.55`	`asg`	`rohal: only if you don't have a PII or higher`
`13:38.55`	`tpr`	`abrotman: no luck, the only clue it gives during bootup is: F10=Rom Based Setup, but theres very little options in there`
`13:38.56`	`abrotman`	`tpr: there are 104 keys .. and various combinations .. might be better to call compaq insted of guessing`
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`13:39.05`	`abrotman`	`tpr: whatk ind of options ?`
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`13:39.10`	`rohal`	`asg: i have a p4???`
`13:39.14`	`asg`	`rohal: that's fine then`
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`13:39.18`	`abrotman`	`!laptop`
`13:39.18`	`dpkg`	`All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/`
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`13:39.52`	`jlj_`	`I recently started to get a "failed to mount /selinux/" message during boot. Can this be fixed somehow (I don't use selinux)`
`13:40.00`	`tpr`	`abrotman: nothing of importance in this case, just boot orders, security and some device options (nothing about HDs)`
`13:40.09`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 591] by debhelper`
`13:40.09`	`rohal`	`asg: how is the debootstrap onstallation of debian....is it buggy?`
`13:40.26`	`tarzeau`	`hurd is fantastic`
`13:40.39`	`tpr`	`abrotman: I will try to find out from kmanuals or calling compaq, thanks`
`13:40.42`	`abrotman`	`tpr: what are you trying to do?`
`13:40.48`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: you liar!`
`13:40.52`	`abrotman`	`can't trust the swiss ... jez`
`13:41.03`	`tpr`	`abrotman: trying to get the harddrive detected`
`13:41.03`	`asg`	`rohal: I've used it successfully for installing woody and sarge chroots`
`13:41.16`	`abrotman`	`tpr: it's a laptop .. it's internal .. right ?>`
`13:41.17`	`elirips`	`can someone give me a tip what pci-wlan-card i should buy? so that it works well with debian sarge.. i would prefer it if it would work with a debian-sarge standard kernel..`
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`13:41.38`	`abrotman`	`#wireless ?`
`13:41.51`	`asg`	`elirips: I have an Avaya World Card that works with the standard kernel.`
`13:41.52`	`elirips`	`thanks, i did not know about that channel.`
`13:41.54`	`rohal`	`asg: so you did the complete installation by chrooting from some other distro?`
`13:41.58`	`abrotman`	`elirips: and FYI ..i don't tihnk madwifi or prism54 are in the kernel yet`
`13:42.16`	`asg`	`rohal: no, I've used Debian since I stopped using FreeBSD in '99`
`13:42.22`	`tpr`	`abrotman: yes internal (and only) hd`
`13:42.31`	`wm3t`	`elirips: orinoco gold works good for me. already in the kernel`
`13:42.44`	`abrotman`	`tpr: you .. jumpered it correctly ?`
`13:42.56`	`faber2`	`if i have a 3Ware9500 Raid Controller, do i need a special kernel to use this with debian? i found a howto for kernel 2.4 which patches the kernel, but i assumed that a hardware raid just looks like any other scsi device to the kernel... any ideas?`
`13:43.12`	`elirips`	`wm3t: thanks.. i'll try to get one of these`
`13:43.15`	`tpr`	`abrotman: cablechoise, I was gonna try primary though maybe that'll make a diff, thanks for the reminder`
`13:43.25`	`rohal`	`asg: i installed it by chrooting from some other distro...& using debootstrap...but it didnt work...:((`
`13:43.34`	`wm3t`	`elirips: got mine off of ebay for around $20US`
`13:43.59`	`abrotman`	`of course .. noone asked him if he wanted 802.11b or 11g or even 11a`
`13:44.38`	`asg`	`rohal: afaik, the only touch issue is getting grub installed from a chroot and not forgetting to run base-config after the debootstrap finishes`
`13:44.43`	`rohal`	`rohal:i did exactly the same as told in this guide http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en`
`13:44.45`	`elirips`	`abrotman: doesn't matter whether it is b or g.`
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`13:44.55`	`tarzeau`	`does someone use kde (sarge) and the terminal (gnome-terminal)?`
`13:44.59`	`abrotman`	`elirips: many B cards work .. not as many G`
`13:45.11`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: aw hell no!`
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`13:45.20`	`asg`	`rohal: and what failed?`
`13:45.21`	`tarzeau`	`is it possible that when you say maximize it gets large but not full, and then again not go to the old small but full?`
`13:45.26`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: neither do i....`
`13:45.32`	`rohal`	`asg: grub i already had ...so used the initrd & kernel image of debian in it....`
`13:45.46`	`tarzeau`	`what is the window manager in kde called?`
`13:45.50`	`elirips`	`abrotman: my internet connection is only 2Mbit, so i guess b is fast enough for me.`
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`13:45.58`	`tarzeau`	`this is definitely a bug in that. in wmaker maximize works fine`
`13:46.06`	`asg`	`tarzeau: used to be kwin iirc. #debian-kde would know`
`13:46.08`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: kwin`
`13:46.11`	`rohal`	`asg: couldnt launch X..... it kept on failing for mouse`
`13:46.12`	`abrotman`	`!kwin`
`13:46.12`	`dpkg`	`[kwin] the KDE window manager. It's mostly the work of Matthias Ettrich, theming by Mosfet (Daniel M. Duley) and Rik Hemsley (who wrote RISCOS, aka, RIKSOS)`
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`13:46.25`	`asg`	`rohal: oh, so it boots and runs, just that X doesn't work`
`13:46.37`	`abrotman`	`elirips: might be better to find a card .. and ask us if it will work :)`
`13:46.38`	`asg`	`rohal: if you are using a 2.6 kernel, check /msg dpkg 2.6 mouse`
`13:46.47`	`tpr`	`abrotman: no luck with primary jumper setting`
`13:46.57`	`abrotman`	`CS ?`
`13:47.03`	`elirips`	`abrotman: thanks, i'll check out my local dealers and come back with a little list ;)`
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`13:47.29`	`rohal`	`asg: i got this error ....Cannot open device /dev/psaux No such device....also tried /dev/input/mice but didnt work`
`13:47.52`	`nvz`	`I dont know wtf just happened but if it happens again I am definatly not using amarok to dj this party`
`13:47.55`	`abrotman`	`elirips: or google "linux wireless cards"`
`13:48.11`	`asg`	`rohal: are you using a 2.6 mouse?`
`13:48.11`	`abrotman`	`nvz: rhythmbox ?`
`13:48.27`	`asg`	`rohal: s/mouse/kernel/`
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`13:48.50`	`nvz`	`abrotman: I have used cplay in the past. I was going to try amarok this year to take advantage of better sorting features, audioscrobbler..etc`
`13:48.55`	`rohal`	`asg: i used kernel 2.6.12...mouse is ps2...kernel built as module for mouse`
`13:49.04`	`dorto`	`are gnu foundation and debian project directly related?`
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`13:49.14`	`asg`	`rohal: and psmouse and mousedev have been loaded? 'modprobe psmouse mousedev' ?`
`13:49.16`	`abrotman`	`dorto: Debian GNU/Linux`
`13:49.23`	`abrotman`	`dorto: as much as any other linux distro i suppose`
`13:49.25`	`rohal`	`localhost:/# s/mouse/kernel/`
`13:49.25`	`rohal`	`bash: s/mouse/kernel/: No such file or directory`
`13:49.26`	`nvz`	`abrotman: normally we just play 60s and 70s classic rock, but we are expecting a larger turnout this year and younger people. so I have to categorize other kinds of music`
`13:49.29`	`airox`	`Anybody knows a nice console based utility to test sound ?`
`13:49.34`	`dorto`	`oh`
`13:49.35`	`abrotman`	`cat!`
`13:49.38`	`asg`	`airox: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp`
`13:49.38`	`airox`	`ok`
`13:49.44`	`abrotman`	`nvz: rythmbox might work`
`13:49.45`	`rohal`	`asg: loaded psmouse...not mousedev`
`13:49.52`	`airox`	`asg: Would that hurt my ears ? :)`
`13:50.01`	`abrotman`	`airox: it could`
`13:50.05`	`dorto`	`hehe`
`13:50.06`	`asg`	`airox: turn the volume down a bit. If you hear the horrible noise, sound works`
`13:50.07`	`airox`	`hehe`
`13:50.22`	`nvz`	`abrotman: cplay would work. just doesnt sort out by tag data and have audioscrobbler :P`
`13:50.29`	`dorto`	`eyes are more stronger than ears in that sense`
`13:50.32`	`abrotman`	`rthmbox!`
`13:50.37`	`abrotman`	`doh .. i can't spell`
`13:50.38`	`asg`	`mpc + mpd`
`13:50.40`	`airox`	`oke works!`
`13:50.41`	`rohal`	`asg: ok let me try loading both.....but for that i will have to boot debian....currently in my second distro`
`13:50.41`	`airox`	`:)`
`13:50.41`	`jim`	`it would if you plug your sound output into the house mains at the shoreline amphitheater :)`
`13:51.21`	`amorphix`	`hi jim`
`13:51.23`	`airox`	`Anybody knows a nice console based mp3 player which also has streaming audio support (shoutcast streams) ?`
`13:51.26`	`jim`	`lo`
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`13:52.35`	`abrotman`	`bastard!`
`13:52.46`	`amorphix`	`hehe you're hungry now?`
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`13:52.53`	`rohal`	`asg: how can i load all the kernel modules simultaneously?`
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`13:53.00`	`abrotman`	`rohal: you can't`
`13:53.11`	`fireba11`	`rohal: and you don't want to`
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`13:53.24`	`rohal`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:53.30`	`{xmb}`	`huh? :wwwa`
`13:53.33`	`{xmb}`	`huh? :w`
`13:53.33`	`amorphix`	`you guys should stop to eat`
`13:53.34`	`abrotman`	`rohal: probably`
`13:53.40`	`amorphix`	`you never seem to eat or sleep`
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`13:53.48`	`rohal`	`abrotman: how should i??`
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`13:53.52`	`abrotman`	`amorphix: i sleep and eat i'll have you know`
`13:54.08`	`amorphix`	`abrotman you may be the exception`
`13:54.11`	`tralala`	`rohal: find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -type f -name \*.ko (for 2.6)`
`13:54.21`	`abrotman`	rohal: find /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ ?
`13:54.25`	`amorphix`	`the rest of them here regenerate or something i dunno`
`13:54.28`	`gypsymauro`	`hello I've added a route add -host <ip> reject.. how I can delete this rule?`
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`13:54.41`	`rohal`	`k thanks`
`13:54.53`	`abrotman`	`rohal: that might not be right .. you'll have to experiment a bit`
`13:55.06`	`asg`	`gypsymauro: route delete -host <ip>`
`13:55.21`	`amorphix`	`whats the difference between 16bit and 32bit hardware`
`13:55.28`	`amorphix`	`why hasnt 32bit hardware taken off?`
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`13:56.00`	`asg`	`amorphix: are you reading a rag from the mid nineties?`
`13:56.05`	`amorphix`	`yes`
`13:56.11`	`row`	`:P`
`13:56.26`	`asg`	`amorphix: 468 dx/50 w 8M ram, only $2000`
`13:56.26`	`row`	`we are in 32bit age moving 64bit....`
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`13:56.27`	`amorphix`	`i had a puter from 1990's which had 2 extended 32bit isa slots`
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`13:56.32`	`abrotman`	`asg: hehe`
`13:56.46`	`abrotman`	`wow .. the 1990s .. so far back`
`13:56.47`	`{xmb}`	`huh? :.`
`13:56.48`	`amorphix`	`so why do most PC's still use 16bit pci slots`
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`13:56.58`	`GeekUnit`	`I'm a big fan of netinstall, but I don't feel like driving into town for some more blank CDs. I have multiple partitions, is there anway to install from the Hard Drive?`
`13:57.00`	`abrotman`	`{xmb}: are you being intentionally dense?`
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`13:57.13`	`amorphix`	`haha`
`13:57.17`	`amorphix`	`you guys are funny`
`13:57.21`	`row`	`GeekUnit: yes or do a floppy install.`
`13:57.22`	`asg`	`GeekUnit: you can do a debootstrap install.`
`13:57.50`	`ircops`	`hey what file do I need to copy to the new kernel source tree to make oldconfig? :)`
`13:57.56`	`asg`	`amorphix: my first 286 had a 1 speed CD-Rom`
`13:58.14`	`ToMMY2k`	`give me a spectrum 86 any day`
`13:58.15`	`asg`	`ircops: /boot/config-$(uname -r)`
`13:58.19`	`ircops`	`sweet thanks`
`13:58.24`	`snail`	`i'm having a mental block here. which is the video encoding standard which all the companies on the standards body what to charge you reyalities for?`
`13:58.34`	`row`	`ircdevil: when you make the kernel image debian tools with import the oldconf if new is not present and bring up config`
`13:58.43`	`row`	`ircops I mean`
`13:58.44`	`row`	`ffs`
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`13:58.54`	`amorphix`	`asg: mine had x2, i was hitech ;-)`
`13:58.54`	`ToMMY2k`	`ZX spectrum even`
`13:58.59`	`asg`	`amorphix: haha`
`13:59.04`	`ToMMY2k`	`witha tape deck`
`13:59.20`	`asg`	`amorphix: I remember spending $45USD for a 1M chip`
`13:59.21`	`amorphix`	`i paid �1,000 for a 486SX-33 and it was cheap at the top`
`13:59.25`	`Guerin`	`man`
`13:59.26`	`amorphix`	`of the range`
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`13:59.42`	`{xmb}`	`abrotman: what?`
`13:59.42`	`amorphix`	`phew`
`13:59.44`	`Guerin`	`we paid $2,200 for an amiga 600`
`13:59.51`	`abrotman`	`{xmb}: lastlog yourself ...`
`14:00.09`	`amorphix`	`prices are so today but comparison`
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`14:00.12`	`ToMMY2k`	`I had a a500, then an a1200`
`14:00.13`	`amorphix`	`*slow`
`14:00.15`	`Guerin`	`i think it had a 12mhz m68k and 1MB ram, less a couple undred k for a harddisk controller, and a 40MB harddisk`
`14:00.20`	`widrone`	`Guerin: Oh the 600, I had one with a 20mb drive in it. It was soooo sweet!`
`14:00.21`	`Guerin`	`it was good`
`14:00.38`	`amorphix`	`was that simms ram?`
`14:00.40`	`Guerin`	`but lots of amiga games wouldn't run on it because of the ram and os change`
`14:00.58`	`Guerin`	`amorphix: we tried to add more, but couldn't be done`
`14:01.08`	`Guerin`	`and setting up swap was hellishly difficult`
`14:01.09`	`widrone`	`Kick myself I sold that, that is a computer I would like to have as a terminal running debian.`
`14:01.13`	`Guerin`	`no internet back then, see`
`14:01.16`	`amorphix`	`do you still have that puter?`
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`14:01.29`	`{xmb}`	`abrotman: where.. ?`
`14:01.41`	`amorphix`	`I bet thats worth a bit now, theres an emerging collectors market for old computers`
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`14:01.47`	`Guerin`	`naw, it died while I was at university, banging out essays on it, and printing them with my 9-pin dot matrix printer in NLQ`
`14:01.50`	`ranto`	`I have a binary with a number of library dependencies, that I wish to run in a minimal environment. Can I make it 'static' with ld or somehow?`
`14:01.50`	`abrotman`	`<{xmb}> huh? :wwwa`
`14:01.50`	`abrotman`	`<{xmb}> huh? :w`
`14:01.58`	`amorphix`	`hehe`
`14:01.58`	`asg`	`Guerin: the fun thing is, my Zaurus is much more powerful, fits in the palm of your hand, and only cost $200.`
`14:02.14`	`asg`	`amorphix: it's on so many channels, I think it's confused`
`14:02.14`	`Guerin`	`asg: we bought this one in 1992 or so`
`14:02.16`	`shedi`	`How do I enable a boot process log?`
`14:02.18`	`asg`	`Guerin: yeah`
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`14:02.25`	`asg`	`shedi: edit /etc/defaults/bootlogd`
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`14:02.30`	`amorphix`	`i found my old XZ81 with a little thermal printer`
`14:02.30`	`{xmb}`	`abrotman: when was this`
`14:02.36`	`asuffield`	`asg: nah, the really fun thing is that the gumstix costs half that, fits in a pack of gum, and is still more powerful`
`14:02.37`	`shedi`	`asg, thanks`
`14:02.39`	`abrotman`	`{xmb}: /lastlog {xmb}`
`14:02.42`	`amorphix`	`nice silver paper, like a tiny loo roll`
`14:02.43`	`abrotman`	`ffs ..`
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`14:02.53`	`asg`	`asuffield: very true. I'd forgotten about those`
`14:02.56`	`abrotman`	`it's an irc client .. not computer science`
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`14:03.14`	`amorphix`	`dot matrix printers, so noisey!`
`14:03.21`	`amorphix`	`i liked the printing tho`
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`14:03.35`	`abrotman`	`amorphix: have you ever heard a erm .. full width line printer?`
`14:03.40`	`abrotman`	`(yay cobol)`
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`14:03.46`	`amorphix`	`remember waiting for your invoice in shops and that noise and the tearing sound`
`14:03.53`	`*** part/#debian ViePoaaSt (n=ogweiosy@206.132.79.131)`
`14:03.55`	`amorphix`	`i had a dot matrix`
`14:04.04`	`abrotman`	`120 chars iirc`
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`14:04.21`	`abrotman`	`{xmb}: i don't keep timestamps .. just type /lastlog {xmb}`
`14:04.26`	`amorphix`	`Epson printers were the best`
`14:04.28`	`{xmb}`	`not itentionally dense, no, generally`
`14:04.37`	`abrotman`	`{xmb}: ok . have a nice day :)`
`14:04.40`	`{xmb}`	`my client nor the ircd support /lastlog, so where`
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`14:04.45`	`amorphix`	`does anyone have a BBC Micro?`
`14:04.50`	`abrotman`	`the ircd doesn't support /lastlog ?`
`14:04.52`	`amorphix`	`I'd like to buy one of these`
`14:04.52`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
`14:04.59`	`{xmb}`	`no, paste please`
`14:05.04`	`abrotman`	`{xmb}: i already did`
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`14:05.08`	`{xmb}`	`to rafb?`
`14:05.09`	Shorty`	`hey guys, say I'm catting a file called foo. in this file foo it's got lots of stuff seperated by single spaces, whats the easiest way to the the LAST contingous blob of text?`
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`14:05.22`	`Guerin`	Shorty`: awk
`14:05.25`	`Guerin`	`!awk cheats`
`14:05.25`	`dpkg`	`from memory, awk cheats is see http://www.student.northpark.edu/pemente/awk/awk1line.txt`
`14:05.33`	`abrotman`	`{xmb}: type /lastlog {xmb} in your irc client`
`14:05.33`	Shorty`	`<3 ark`
`14:05.35`	Shorty`	`<3 awk`
`14:05.36`	Shorty`	`just didn't know that`
`14:05.37`	Shorty`	`:>`
`14:05.41`	`abrotman`	`and if your cilent doesn't support it .. then don't work about it`
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`14:05.47`	`{xmb}`	`abrotman: i do, nothing happens as i expect?`
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`14:05.50`	`GeekUnit`	`Anyone know how to install SysLinux to a USB drive from XP?`
`14:05.54`	`amorphix`	`i just love green olives, the colour the smell the taste..i could eat a whole jar`
`14:05.58`	`abrotman`	`{xmb}: what is your client ?`
`14:06.00`	`amorphix`	`i have an olive fetish`
`14:06.08`	`abrotman`	`amorphix: where do you put them?`
`14:06.19`	`amorphix`	`usually in my mouth ;-)`
`14:06.20`	`{xmb}`	`weechat`
`14:06.28`	`abrotman`	`wtf is that?`
`14:06.29`	`{xmb}`	`never seen it work on bx, irssi or xchat dood`
`14:06.47`	`abrotman`	`dude .. if you can't use IRC .. not my problem`
`14:06.52`	`{xmb}`	`im on irc since years, and around when did i write the two msges? some before you pasted?`
`14:06.55`	`amorphix`	`haha`
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`14:07.04`	`abrotman`	`holy shit ..`
`14:07.14`	`abrotman`	`plonk`
`14:07.24`	`tralala`	`ops!`
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`14:07.28`	`abrotman`	`no ..`
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`14:07.34`	`asg`	`tralala: for what?`
`14:07.51`	`abrotman`	`he really did speak .. and say "huh?" like 3 times in a row .. and oh well`
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`14:08.13`	`{xmb}`	`was that like 5 mins ago or hours?`
`14:08.20`	`tralala`	`asg: I meant oops!`
`14:08.22`	`Fabio-PROINFO`	`hello`
`14:08.23`	`{xmb}`	`ah well mystery, anyway`
`14:08.33`	`abrotman`	`the "intentionally dense" comment was supposed to be a joke`
`14:08.35`	`Fabio-PROINFO`	`hello?`
`14:08.35`	`Fabio-PROINFO`	`what?`
`14:08.42`	`Fabio-PROINFO`	`good morning?`
`14:08.55`	`asg`	`{xmb}: 09:57 < {xmb}> huh? :wwwa 09:57 < {xmb}> huh? :w 10:00 < {xmb}> huh? :. 10:01 < abrotman> {xmb}: are you being intentionally dense?`
`14:08.56`	`amorphix`	`good afternoon sir`
`14:09.04`	`amorphix`	`do you have any 1mb simm's?`
`14:09.05`	`abrotman`	`!prize asg`
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`14:09.41`	`{xmb}`	`huh? :test`
`14:09.48`	`abrotman`	`wtf`
`14:09.51`	`amorphix`	`im a collector of old technology`
`14:09.51`	`{xmb}`	`did i just say now something? what`
`14:09.55`	`abrotman`	`yes ..y ou did`
`14:09.58`	`asg`	`{xmb}: huh? :test`
`14:10.07`	`{xmb}`	`werd bugs, i got it`
`14:10.08`	`asg`	`{xmb}: your irc client is doing some rather odd stuff`
`14:10.11`	`amorphix`	`wtf is that for`
`14:10.17`	`{xmb}`	`i got a weird /query open when i woke up`
`14:10.17`	`widrone`	`Fabio-PROINFO: Hello, want fries with that? Its got debian sauce even.`
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`14:10.20`	`amorphix`	`it sure is`
`14:10.38`	`*** part/#debian TeRaTui (n=xxieveur@85.101.2.156)`
`14:10.40`	`{xmb}`	`[07:29:05] :fbi!i=is@5150.to PRIVMSG #debian :huh?`
`14:10.55`	`abrotman`	`fbi: did you msg {xmb} ?`
`14:10.56`	`{xmb}`	`and all i type in that query seemly goes to #debian with a huh? prefix.. funky`
`14:10.56`	`amorphix`	`strange`
`14:11.20`	`{xmb}`	`the readline line you type, looks unnatural too`
`14:11.31`	`abrotman`	`unnatural ?`
`14:11.52`	`{xmb}`	`un usual, enough spaces, no nick, no '>'`
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`14:12.18`	`Fabio-PROINFO`	`he`
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`14:12.31`	`Eiscreme`	`Can I make my linux Debian be NOT case sensitive any more?`
`14:12.33`	`amorphix`	`how do optical mice work?`
`14:12.34`	`abrotman`	`!br`
`14:12.34`	`dpkg`	`Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.`
`14:12.36`	`Fabio-PROINFO`	`hi`
`14:12.38`	`amorphix`	`whats the red light?`
`14:12.40`	`abrotman`	`amorphix: little cameras`
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`14:12.52`	`amorphix`	`seriously?`
`14:12.54`	`abrotman`	`Eiscreme: UNIX is case sensitive`
`14:12.58`	`widrone`	`Eiscreme: Case sensitivity is often a filesystem thing.`
`14:13.02`	`amorphix`	`is this like infrared or laser?`
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`14:13.05`	`abrotman`	`amorphix: see the other lens .. that's a camera`
`14:13.19`	`Eiscreme`	`widrone: I already tried installing linux on NTFS but it did not work`
`14:13.21`	`amorphix`	`imagine positioning?`
`14:13.25`	`amorphix`	`*image`
`14:13.32`	`abrotman`	`amorphix: comparison iirc`
`14:13.37`	`abrotman`	`Eiscreme: NTFS is case sensitive too`
`14:13.37`	`amorphix`	`oh`
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`14:13.52`	`abrotman`	`amorphix: do you need a "how it works" article ?`
`14:13.58`	`Eiscreme`	`how does windows handle not beeing case sensitive?`
`14:14.00`	`amorphix`	`yes i would love to read one`
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`14:14.11`	`widrone`	`Eiscreme: Why you want it un case sensitve?`
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`14:14.12`	`amorphix`	`im always interested in new technology`
`14:14.22`	`{xmb}`	`abrotman: xmb.ath.cx/wee1.jpg - #debian, wee2.jpg usual query and 3 the weird one - if you wanna see, i dunno sup`
`14:14.25`	`fireba11`	`amorphix: what's new about that ?`
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`14:14.35`	`abrotman`	`amorphix: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouse_(computing)#Optical_mice`
`14:14.36`	`amorphix`	`i only discovered them this week`
`14:14.39`	`amorphix`	`never saw one before`
`14:14.45`	`Eiscreme`	`widrone: its annoying .. the case sensitiviy`
`14:14.47`	`abrotman`	`amorphix: it's not new .. the first one i know about was .. roughly 1990 ?`
`14:14.48`	`amorphix`	`thanks abrotman`
`14:14.48`	`fireba11`	`amorphix: wtf`
`14:14.52`	`{xmb}`	`where are you from amorphix`
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`14:14.55`	`amorphix`	`oh`
`14:14.58`	`amorphix`	`heh`
`14:14.59`	`Ronin`	`Eiscreme: only at first, then you get used to it and learn to like it`
`14:15.00`	`abrotman`	`amorphix: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=how+do+optical+mouse+work&btnG=Google+Search`
`14:15.06`	`amorphix`	`I'm always behind the times guys`
`14:15.14`	`abrotman`	`what current OS isn't case sensitive?`
`14:15.15`	`amorphix`	`I still run a Palm IIIx`
`14:15.32`	`amorphix`	`xmb: UK`
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`14:15.43`	`abrotman`	`{xmb}: we'll just chalk it up to a fluke .. sorry for the confusion`
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`14:16.10`	`{xmb}`	`abrotman: for me its finished, check if you want, cant do shit about it`
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`14:16.28`	`abrotman`	`{xmb}: have a nice day! :)`
`14:16.37`	`{xmb}`	`will see, thx`
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`14:16.47`	`mejo`	`hi`
`14:17.18`	`mejo`	`since i've upgraded my unstable box today, ssh segfaults at connecting to other hosts.`
`14:17.28`	`Rawplayer`	`scary scary`
`14:17.28`	`abrotman`	`mejo: you did check the BTS ?`
`14:17.40`	`amorphix`	`abrotman: thats pretty hot technology! the tiny minature camera takes 1,500 pix every second!!!!`
`14:17.41`	`mejo`	`is this a known issue? i didn't find a appropriative bugreport.`
`14:17.44`	`mejo`	`abrotman: yes, i did.`
`14:17.44`	`amorphix`	`incredible`
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`14:18.02`	`mejo`	`abrotman: both ssh bugs and openssl bugs (openssl 0.9.8 has been updated today).`
`14:18.06`	`abrotman`	`mejo: like this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=332863 ?`
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`14:18.21`	`{xmb}`	`mejo, does gdb tell where it breaks?`
`14:18.30`	`amorphix`	`I paid �6 for my optical mouse, you would think based on the technology these would be incredibly expensive`
`14:18.33`	`abrotman`	`SimonRaven: does your segfault still ?`
`14:19.02`	`abrotman`	`amorphix: i already said . it's been around since the early 90s .. look for old Sun/SPARC mice`
`14:19.05`	`abrotman`	`possibly before that`
`14:19.27`	`abrotman`	`amorphix: and you know tohse nice trackballs .. some of those are optical too`
`14:19.41`	`{xmb}`	`amorphix: yeah tech is already old, have fun with opticals`
`14:19.55`	`abrotman`	`mejo: no ?`
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`14:19.56`	`amorphix`	`thanks`
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`14:20.27`	`{xmb}`	`abrotman, just so, which client support /lastlog`
`14:20.38`	`amorphix`	`what about ibm microdrives`
`14:20.39`	`abrotman`	`{xmb}: irssi and xchat do .. i know that`
`14:20.44`	`amorphix`	`those flashcard size hdd's`
`14:20.51`	`abrotman`	`amorphix: what about them ?`
`14:20.54`	`amorphix`	`thats pretty hot too?`
`14:20.56`	`abrotman`	`they're little harddrives`
`14:20.58`	`amorphix`	`minature`
`14:21.03`	`abrotman`	`been around .. 10 years ?`
`14:21.07`	`amorphix`	`phw`
`14:21.09`	`amorphix`	`phew`
`14:21.18`	`amorphix`	`i must of missed all this`
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`14:21.31`	`{xmb}`	`heh yeah missed all new stuff`
`14:21.32`	`fireba11`	`lol`
`14:21.38`	`bushito`	`stop hitting enter so mutch =)`
`14:21.39`	`abrotman`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microdrive`
`14:21.40`	`{xmb}`	`anyone misses anyway`
`14:21.41`	`abrotman`	`in 1999`
`14:21.49`	`abrotman`	`so .. only 6 years`
`14:21.54`	`PiPi`	`X11R6.9/X11R7 release candidate 1 tonight`
`14:21.55`	`abrotman`	`though .. obviously IBM developed it before that`
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`14:21.57`	`amorphix`	`oh`
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`14:22.17`	`amorphix`	`IBM has the technaaaalogy`
`14:22.27`	`abrotman`	`they sold it actually :)`
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`14:22.32`	`amorphix`	`microsoft could do hardware?`
`14:22.35`	`amorphix`	`why dont they`
`14:22.37`	`Jessicka`	`can anyone suggest a document for setting up DNSBL (spamhaus) under exim4?`
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`14:23.09`	`amorphix`	`i guess microsoft doesnt need to do hardware because everyone does it for them`
`14:23.30`	`fireba11`	`amorphix: microsoft can only buy stuff, not invent themselves`
`14:23.36`	`amorphix`	`why?`
`14:23.46`	`amorphix`	`microsoft could be an innovator of computers?`
`14:23.55`	`amorphix`	`it has the technology eh`
`14:23.57`	`fireba11`	`amorphix: hey, they even bought dos ..^^`
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`14:24.11`	`amorphix`	`yeah but now they've made great software`
`14:24.15`	`amorphix`	`since the early days`
`14:24.23`	`Zugschlus`	`Jessicka: how about reading the config delivered with exim4, and the README.Debian?`
`14:24.29`	`wombachi`	`fireba11: sometimes they dont buy, they just copy (ex google) :p`
`14:24.31`	`Shadur`	`amorphix: the only way microsoft could make something that doesn't suck would be for them to start designing vacuum cleaners.`
`14:24.37`	`Zugschlus`	`Jessicka: Hint, the Debian packages are prepared for using dnsbls`
`14:24.40`	`amorphix`	`hehe`
`14:24.55`	`rohal`	`asg: thanks it did work....but now some problem with font...ill try to work it out myself.....:)`
`14:24.55`	`bushito`	`whats the package name of gcc++ ive tried to invoke it but i dont get the name right, help?`
`14:24.59`	`amorphix`	`but microsoft has changed the world isnt it? we wouldnt be using puters maybe if it wasnt for them`
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`14:25.26`	`wombachi`	`Shadur the nt4/nt5 M$ code that leaked some time ago wasnt too badly written at first sight.`
`14:25.28`	`PiPi`	`bushito: g++`
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`14:25.42`	`Jessicka`	`Zugschlus: I see no mention in the configs... where should I be looking?`
`14:25.47`	`amorphix`	`Windows NT4 i ran this once`
`14:25.47`	`bushito`	`bash: g++: command not found`
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`14:25.53`	`asg`	`rohal: /msg dpkg font guide (should help)`
`14:26.01`	`Guerin`	`!annoy bushito`
`14:26.05`	`dimir`	`;-)`
`14:26.10`	`amorphix`	`haha`
`14:26.22`	`PiPi`	`bushito: apt-get install g++`
`14:26.27`	`Guerin`	`!irritate bushito`
`14:26.28`	`dpkg`	`bushito: HELP ME!!! where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol ?????`
`14:26.31`	`Guerin`	`PiPi: don't guess`
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`14:26.37`	`Guerin`	`!b-e bushito`
`14:26.38`	`dpkg`	`bushito: Sounds like you need to install build-essential.`
`14:26.47`	`Zugschlus`	`Jessicka: RCPT ACL`
`14:26.48`	`bushito`	`hmmm ive tried downloading gcc++ then whats that package for?`
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`14:27.01`	`amorphix`	`as much as we all loath microsoft today, we must admit it has made computing widely available to the masses and brought a good accessible market?`
`14:27.03`	`jlj_`	`has there been any trouble with umount or the umount init scripts lately? reboot/halt produces a umount error and it seems like the parameters fed to umount are incorrect.`
`14:27.03`	`Guerin`	`bushito: if you don't know, you don't need it`
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`14:27.20`	`dimir`	`<PiPi> bushito: g++`
`14:27.22`	`nksen`	`anyone with toshiba-laptop? do I have to enable framebuffer to get the whole size of the tft in command line mode?`
`14:27.38`	`wombachi`	`emm wasnt WNT symply VMS++ ?`
`14:27.40`	`bushito`	`lol Guerin, i need c++ =) i nbeed to continue my work only that i dont know clearly how is the name in linux`
`14:27.45`	`amorphix`	`nksen: I have a Tosh Satellite Pro, well two...one is just a motherboard tho`
`14:27.54`	`Guerin`	`bushito: you need build-essential, at a minimum`
`14:27.54`	`tpr`	`well winblows cd wont recognize the hd either so i guess im screwed :P`
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`14:28.11`	`Guerin`	`bushito: itcontains the shit that's ESSENTIAL for BUILDing things`
`14:28.15`	`Guerin`	`hence the name`
`14:28.18`	`nksen`	`amorphix: so? the size of the ootup-screen is... let's say half of the norkmal 14.1 tft`
`14:28.22`	`dimir`	`bushito: I think you were told at least twice now, that the package name is g++`
`14:28.26`	`bushito`	`Guerin, lol okey`
`14:28.27`	`amorphix`	`has anyone had problems with Omnibook 6000 and networking`
`14:28.30`	`fireba11`	`tpr get a HS-check tool from your HDs vendor`
`14:28.36`	`dimir`	`is bushito a new lame bot?`
`14:28.39`	`bushito`	`dimir, oh oh yes yes, i am downloding it`
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`14:28.44`	`bushito`	`thank =)`
`14:28.49`	`dimir`	`finally!`
`14:29.01`	`bushito`	`new lame bot? =S`
`14:29.03`	`bushito`	`dang`
`14:29.38`	`dimir`	`Don't know, put here for fun or something.`
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`14:29.41`	`abrotman`	`amorphix: MS does do hardware`
`14:29.49`	`amorphix`	`nksen: my Tosh laptops worked fine, no adjustments were needed`
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`14:29.56`	`catlee`	`Good morning`
`14:30.01`	`amorphix`	`abrotman: but not in a big way, just mice and stuff eh`
`14:30.02`	`dimir`	`m0rn!`
`14:30.04`	`{xmb}`	`is debian openbsd any actual?`
`14:30.10`	`abrotman`	`amorphix: better than none`
`14:30.15`	`amorphix`	`abrotman: is there such a thing as a microsoft puter?`
`14:30.16`	`Jessicka`	`Zugschlus: I see: CHECK_RCPT_LOCAL_ACL_FILE`
`14:30.16`	`abrotman`	`{xmb}: huh ?>`
`14:30.21`	`abrotman`	`amorphix: not anymore`
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`14:30.36`	`amorphix`	`why arent we seeing hi-tech microsoft tablet pc's and affordable set-top pc's`
`14:30.38`	`Jessicka`	`perhaps something is missing since I ran the exim4-config`
`14:30.40`	`{xmb}`	`like freebsd's debian port or netbsd.. sub distros of debian from some time ago`
`14:30.41`	`catlee`	`Just wondering if anybody could recommend a good backup program? I've looked at amanda, but it's not well suited to backing up to DVD...`
`14:30.43`	`Condector`	`aff, where a python+psyco in shootout.alioth.debian.org`
`14:30.47`	`abrotman`	`because tablet PCs suck`
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`14:30.50`	`amorphix`	`oh`
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`14:30.55`	`abrotman`	`!kfreebsd`
`14:30.57`	`abrotman`	`bah`
`14:30.59`	`abrotman`	`wtf is it`
`14:31.04`	`abrotman`	`!debian kfreebsd`
`14:31.21`	`amorphix`	`some little c*nts are ringing my intercom and running away`
`14:31.27`	`abrotman`	`!debian gnu/kfreebsd`
`14:31.27`	`dpkg`	`debian gnu/kfreebsd is, like, a port that consists of the GNU userland on top of the FreeBSD kernel, coupled with the Debian tools and packages. There is a BSD libc5 port, but the Glibc port is being focused on more. http://www.debian.org/ports/freebsd/, or Penix' almighty official installation guide can be found here: http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/kfreebsd/install.html`
`14:31.31`	`abrotman`	`{xmb}: ^^`
`14:31.35`	`asg`	`amorphix: shoot them`
`14:31.36`	`amorphix`	`wheres me air rifle i can get a clear shot from here`
`14:31.37`	`Zugschlus`	`Jessicka: no, you need to read urther. The ACL_FILE macro is to be used if you want to replace the ACL altogether. Look in the ACL itself.`
`14:31.56`	`Zugschlus`	`.oO( it escapes me why people don't read the config of the software they're using )`
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`14:32.36`	`{xmb}`	`abrotman: like that yea, but openbsd?`
`14:32.38`	`amorphix`	`i reckon i could interface my intercom via the joystick port to puter`
`14:32.54`	`abrotman`	`{xmb}: not openbsd .. just freebsd afaik`
`14:33.02`	`amorphix`	`play some messages thru it to those little assholes`
`14:33.09`	`{xmb}`	`awh k`
`14:33.17`	`abrotman`	`{xmb}: it uses a bsd kernel and debian apt stuff`
`14:33.57`	`{xmb}`	`yea i expect that, but i want obsd instead freebsd`
`14:34.00`	`amorphix`	`US rebates are scams`
`14:34.08`	`abrotman`	`{xmb}: and i think they're starting a solaris/debian project`
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`14:34.16`	`{xmb}`	`heh`
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`14:34.31`	`asg`	`amorphix: they are but you will get money if you follow the directions to the letter`
`14:34.50`	`{xmb}`	`the kfbsd url is a 404`
`14:34.51`	`amorphix`	`but why isnt the price low in the first place eh`
`14:35.01`	`{xmb}`	`guide at least, nm`
`14:35.10`	`amorphix`	`why advertise something for a higher price and give back some of the money unless you're trying to con people`
`14:35.10`	`abrotman`	`{xmb}: http://www.us.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/`
`14:35.13`	`asg`	`amorphix: because they know that 60% to 70% won't ever turn the rebate in`
`14:35.20`	`amorphix`	`yeah`
`14:35.20`	`thingfish`	`exactly`
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`14:36.18`	`amorphix`	`are rebates usually tied to a second purpose?`
`14:36.21`	`amorphix`	`*purchase`
`14:36.35`	`amorphix`	`or do you just claim and get the cash`
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`14:37.13`	`asg`	`amorphix: e.g. I bought a barebones kit from TigerDirect. The rebates were $100 for the kit, $50 for the processor, and $50 for the memory. They were separate and handled completely differently. I received money for all three but at different times.`
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`14:37.32`	`amorphix`	`did it take a long time?`
`14:37.51`	`jim`	`what was the final price/`
`14:37.51`	`asg`	`amorphix: 4 - 6 weeks is the usual. 8 weeks is common.`
`14:37.53`	`jim`	`?`
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`14:38.00`	`{xmb}`	`!debian netbsd`
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`14:38.01`	`asg`	`jim: $200 or so`
`14:38.10`	`{xmb}`	`!debian netbsd-i386`
`14:38.11`	`amorphix`	`prolly it said...you must send your passport to us, not a copy,..you must of had a driving license in this state, since...`
`14:38.17`	`jim`	`so you spent 4 originally`
`14:38.18`	`jim`	`?`
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`14:38.36`	`abrotman`	`!debian bsd`
`14:38.36`	`dpkg`	`hmm... debian bsd is a port of Debian to the FreeBSD and NetBSD kernels, using either a native BSD C library or Glibc. See http://www.debian.org/ports/netbsd and http://www.debian.org/ports/freebsd/, or ask me about debian gnu/kfreebsd`
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`14:38.41`	`asg`	`jim: yea, maybe it was 300 and I got the lot for $100 after rebates.`
`14:38.53`	`asg`	`jim: I can't remember now.`
`14:38.58`	`amorphix`	`seems cheap`
`14:39.00`	`jim`	`nice`
`14:39.04`	`amorphix`	`so rebates can be a good thing then`
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`14:39.09`	`amorphix`	`if you have a good memory`
`14:39.10`	`jim`	`can be`
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`14:39.25`	`asg`	`amorphix: everything but video card (which I had) and hard disc / cd rom (which I had)`
`14:39.26`	`jim`	`but it represents a loan you're making to the company`
`14:39.46`	`amorphix`	`an interest free loan`
`14:40.03`	`amorphix`	`not bad for the company`
`14:40.12`	`{xmb}`	`a brot man knows :> is the netbsd fork not updated anymore? the floppies show 2002 as last update`
`14:40.16`	`bushito`	`is there a command for getting extra libreries for g++??`
`14:40.39`	`jim`	`bushito: apt-get`
`14:40.40`	`asg`	`bushito: apt-cache search -- <name of lib> -dev`
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`14:40.57`	`amorphix`	`linux is like a borg collective, many individuals working for the greater perfection of the technology`
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`14:41.23`	`amorphix`	`some of you are drones`
`14:41.31`	`{xmb}`	`without the evilness, mostly`
`14:41.31`	`jim`	`except people have opinions and egos and different stuff, and they're not one mind...`
`14:41.33`	`widrone`	`!borg`
`14:41.33`	`dpkg`	`hmm... borg is Free Software. Prepare to be assimilated. Resistance is futile.`
`14:41.35`	`amorphix`	`yes`
`14:41.40`	`amorphix`	`hehe`
`14:41.49`	`row`	`how can I make a nfs export convert uids/gids on read/writes so I can make everything read/write as a single uid for a set export?`
`14:42.02`	`amorphix`	`is microsoft a one mind borg?`
`14:42.19`	`jim`	`no, it's a one borg mind`
`14:42.21`	`amorphix`	`doesnt it assimulate other companies?`
`14:42.32`	`amorphix`	`oh`
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`14:42.41`	`widrone`	`amorphix: Is there a 2 mind borg? SMPborg?`
`14:42.48`	`amorphix`	`hehe`
`14:42.53`	`mircuser`	`is there any way to make ssh read passw from stdin instead of terminal?`
`14:42.54`	`jim`	`row: arrange for the uids to be the same across machines`
`14:43.13`	`amorphix`	`i have a SMP server`
`14:43.21`	`amorphix`	`but never bothered to install SMP Linux`
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`14:43.38`	`row`	`jim: its not that I want to force uid/gid on this nfs export.`
`14:43.41`	`{xmb}`	`just SMP kernel`
`14:43.58`	`row`	`jim: oh well supose it does not matter`
`14:44.18`	`amorphix`	`i dont have SMP kernel`
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`14:44.27`	`amorphix`	`only one cpu is in the server`
`14:44.54`	`amorphix`	`row i have faced this same problem and managed to resolve it`
`14:45.09`	`row`	`amorphix: how did you manage that?`
`14:45.10`	`amorphix`	`my home folder is mounted via nfs now`
`14:45.29`	`amorphix`	`i just changed the uid/gid on each machine to match the server`
`14:45.34`	`bibe`	`amorphix : if your only cpu supports hyperthreading, it's convenient to use a SMP kernel`
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`14:45.53`	`row`	`amorphix: er the gids/uids will not be real thats the problem.`
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`14:45.59`	`amorphix`	`bibe: oh i didnt know, i will investigate that thanks`
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`14:46.02`	`row`	`I would rather force them to be set to a certian uid`
`14:46.02`	`bizkit`	`hello, can you suggest me a php based project to generate file/dirlistings? just to substitute the apache built-in dirlist pages`
`14:46.04`	`_gass_`	`hello ppl`
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`14:46.16`	`_gass_`	`how to run bash commands simultaneously?`
`14:46.20`	`_gass_`	`like`
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`14:46.25`	`amorphix`	`row: why? just set them and have done with it`
`14:46.35`	`Jessicka`	`Zugschlus: Atleast I'm trying... no need to dis.`
`14:46.36`	`jim`	`info bash, look for job control`
`14:46.38`	`ircops`	`hey what's the mask for full access?`
`14:46.38`	`_gass_`	`smbmount //net dir smbmount //net dir1 at the same time`
`14:46.39`	`amorphix`	`are you paranoid?`
`14:46.41`	`ircops`	`is it 0222 ?`
`14:46.45`	`bibe`	`amorphix : it's just a matter of 'grep ^processor /proc/cpuinfo \|wc -l'`
`14:46.47`	`_gass_`	`jim: is that for me?`
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`14:46.49`	`row`	`amorphix: er its a ftpd, each user has their own uid/gid....`
`14:46.52`	`jim`	`nope, only one noid`
`14:46.54`	`GodKilla-`	`lo all`
`14:46.56`	`amorphix`	`ok`
`14:47.04`	`GodKilla-`	`is it possible to use su in a bash script?`
`14:47.18`	`_gass_`	`GodKilla-: yes`
`14:47.39`	`GodKilla-`	`how?`
`14:47.40`	`amorphix`	`bizkit: you could write that in perl`
`14:47.45`	`mircuser`	`GodKilla- you may also want to use "sudo"`
`14:47.49`	`amorphix`	`couple of lines isnt it`
`14:47.50`	`row`	`think you need NOPASSWD: set in /etc/sudoers tho`
`14:47.58`	`GodKilla-`	`thought of that, no that cant help my needs`
`14:47.59`	`row`	`for sudo that is`
`14:48.38`	`mircuser`	`GodKilla- use "echo passwd \| sudo -S <cmd>" or add NOPASSWD in /etc/sudoers "man visudo" and then siply "sudo <cmd>"`
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`14:49.00`	`mircuser`	`but first option is isecure`
`14:49.05`	`mircuser`	`*insecure`
`14:49.45`	`GodKilla-`	`mircuser, i know sudo, but it cant help my needs`
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`14:49.49`	`jim`	`GodKilla-: what are your needs exactly`
`14:49.56`	`GodKilla-`	`because i dont exactly need SU but SUX`
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`14:50.04`	`GodKilla-`	`!sux`
`14:50.04`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that sux is su with xauth, to run X apps as root: http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ or sucks, or "I have an exagerrated opinion about something I don't really know much about.", or apt-get install sux, or something that anyone who spells "sucks" as "sux" does.`
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`14:50.22`	`asg`	`amorphix: hopefully the HC is not of the same vintage`
`14:50.25`	`jim`	`no such command as SU or SUX`
`14:50.27`	`amorphix`	`hehe`
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`14:50.48`	`jim`	`but there is a su and sux`
`14:50.57`	`GodKilla-`	`-_-`
`14:50.57`	`amorphix`	`my oldest cup is 1891`
`14:51.05`	`thingfish`	`amorphix: FiestaWare?`
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`14:51.16`	`amorphix`	`thats royal worcester`
`14:51.17`	`row`	`amorphix: you collect cups?`
`14:51.20`	`amorphix`	`yeah`
`14:51.21`	`thingfish`	`ooh`
`14:51.22`	`jim`	`unix is kinda picky that way :)`
`14:51.28`	`amorphix`	`among other things`
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`14:51.39`	`row`	`amorphix: I see`
`14:51.47`	`row`	`I like large cups thats all that matters to me`
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`14:51.54`	`amorphix`	`oversized cups?`
`14:51.55`	`tombs`	`hi all`
`14:51.58`	`amorphix`	`i have 3 of those`
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`14:52.02`	`amorphix`	`one is 1920's`
`14:52.03`	`mircuser`	`GodKilla- why can't you use "sudo sux" ?`
`14:52.03`	`row`	`yes amorphix 2 cups of tea in one`
`14:52.10`	`row`	`much more effiecent for a geek :)`
`14:52.15`	`amorphix`	`:)`
`14:52.23`	`amorphix`	`coffee cups are nice`
`14:52.24`	`row`	`I can't stand a normal sized tea`
`14:52.27`	`row`	`its too small`
`14:52.28`	`amorphix`	`small and neat`
`14:52.29`	`GodKilla-`	`because i want to change to root with X rights`
`14:52.44`	`ircops`	`I want to give 777 permissions, but I need a mask for the same thing... is it 0222 ?`
`14:52.48`	`amorphix`	`tea should be made in a teapot`
`14:53.00`	`jim`	`ircops: 000`
`14:53.01`	`jim`	`?`
`14:53.01`	`amorphix`	`then you can have several cups`
`14:53.05`	`row`	`amorphix: yes it should if your making for more than one person`
`14:53.14`	`row`	`amorphix: gets cold to fast.`
`14:53.14`	`amorphix`	`even for yourself`
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`14:53.23`	`row`	`+o`
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`14:53.26`	`amorphix`	`i have a technique i use to keep it warm`
`14:53.34`	`jim`	`tmi?`
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`14:53.42`	`mircuser`	`GodKilla- can't help you more, sorry`
`14:53.48`	`GodKilla-`	`echo "password" \| su -`
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`14:53.50`	`row`	`amorphix: tea cossy thingy?`
`14:54.12`	`amorphix`	`the secret to keeping tea warm is to preheat the teapot and the cup with boiling water`
`14:54.26`	`row`	`oh indeed`
`14:54.31`	`row`	`I do that with my tea cup anyways`
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`14:54.39`	`row`	`run hot water in it first.`
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`14:54.44`	`amorphix`	`whats your favourite tea blend?`
`14:54.45`	`row`	`but still does not keep it hot for long enough`
`14:54.50`	`mindamp`	`i removed the /etc/apache2 directory...`
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`14:55.01`	`amorphix`	`i like earl grey in the afternoons and english breakfast in the mornings`
`14:55.06`	`row`	`well PG Tips but thats just cause its in a tea bag tbh`
`14:55.06`	`mindamp`	`but i apt-get remove apache2; apt-get install apache2... and it doesn't re-add it for me...`
`14:55.17`	`mindamp`	`how do i get /etc/apache2 back with all the default files...?`
`14:55.19`	`thingfish`	`I like twining's english breakfast tea.`
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`14:55.24`	`amorphix`	`i used to have PG but Typhoo is my preferred tea bags now`
`14:55.33`	`amorphix`	`i have twinings too`
`14:55.34`	`row`	`stronger?`
`14:55.43`	`thingfish`	`I also like that lady grey twinings makes.`
`14:55.46`	`row`	`twinings is good yeah`
`14:55.48`	`thingfish`	`in the afternoons`
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`14:55.53`	`mindamp`	`uhmmm...`
`14:55.54`	`mindamp`	`tea?`
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`14:55.56`	`row`	`Yorkshire tea bags are not bad either`
`14:56.01`	`mindamp`	`how about some apache2 tea...`
`14:56.03`	`amorphix`	`the tea ritual`
`14:56.05`	`mindamp`	`thats what i would like`
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`14:56.11`	`amorphix`	`tea is much more a ritual than coffee`
`14:56.19`	`wheee`	`Morning alls`
`14:56.33`	`mindamp`	`could someone give me a hand?`
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`14:56.45`	`wheee`	`id rather not chop mine off`
`14:56.46`	`mindamp`	`thanks`
`14:56.48`	`mindamp`	`appreciate it`
`14:56.49`	`wheee`	`hehe`
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`14:56.58`	`row`	`I need it back later tho`
`14:57.01`	`wheee`	`What ya need?`
`14:57.05`	`amorphix`	`fuk`
`14:57.07`	`bushito`	`any one knows what command i use to donwload with bittornado??`
`14:57.10`	`mindamp`	`i removed the /etc/apache2 directory...`
`14:57.11`	`amorphix`	`my laptop is falling apart`
`14:57.16`	`mindamp`	`so i apt-get remove apache2`
`14:57.22`	`row`	`what laptop amorphix`
`14:57.30`	`mindamp`	`and then apt-get install apache2, however it didn't restore all the default files in /etc/apache2`
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`14:57.34`	`jim`	`bushito: bittornado?`
`14:57.49`	`amorphix`	`row: hp omnibook 6000`
`14:57.54`	`mindamp`	`so i was wondering if theres an apt argument or something to do it completely or whatever...`
`14:57.59`	`mindamp`	`have any suggestions anyone?`
`14:58.02`	`amorphix`	`the hinge cover just fell off but its gone back on now`
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`14:58.19`	`bushito`	`jim, yes...`
`14:58.20`	`waveblaster`	`apt-get purge?`
`14:58.21`	`wheee`	`mindamp, odd, not sure my self, build apache from source?`
`14:58.24`	`jim`	`mindamp: purge then reinstall...`
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`14:58.38`	`amorphix`	`apt-get install apache2-common ?`
`14:58.40`	`row`	`mindamp: apt-get --purge remove apache2;apt-get install --reinstall apache2`
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`14:59.07`	`jim`	`bushito: check the man page`
`14:59.23`	`nksen`	`trying to install debian sarge on a tecra 9100. when I finish instasllation and reboot I get "PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 02:07.0 and the system hangs. any ideas?`
`14:59.29`	`amorphix`	`this omnibook has got to go`
`14:59.29`	`mindamp`	`row... that didn't work`
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`14:59.34`	`mindamp`	`still no /etc/apache2`
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`14:59.40`	`amorphix`	`i want a toshiba portege now`
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`14:59.45`	`row`	`mindamp: what amorphix said apach2-common`
`14:59.47`	`row`	`+E`
`15:00.02`	`row`	`mindamp: do same to apache2-common`
`15:00.09`	`jim`	`apach2-commone?`
`15:00.10`	`wheee`	`Dell Inspiron, works great (cept for the wireless pcmcia)`
`15:00.11`	`amorphix`	`i wish i had got a portege in the first place`
`15:00.24`	`mindamp`	`that doesn't work....`
`15:00.34`	`mindamp`	`apt-get install apache2-common does not create /etc/apache2 ....`
`15:00.38`	`mindamp`	`this really sucks`
`15:00.45`	`amorphix`	`what have you done?`
`15:00.46`	`jim`	`remember we cannot see your screen`
`15:00.52`	`asg`	`mindamp: did you manually delete /etc/apache2?`
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`15:00.56`	`jim`	`maybe you should tell us more`
`15:00.57`	`bushito`	`jim, it doesnt got a man`
`15:01.00`	`mindamp`	`yes i manually deleted /etc/apache2`
`15:01.05`	`amorphix`	`ahhh`
`15:01.07`	`asg`	`mindamp: /msg dpkg confmiss`
`15:01.10`	`amorphix`	`you bad person`
`15:01.13`	`mindamp`	`hah`
`15:01.15`	`mindamp`	`:-(`
`15:01.27`	`jim`	`mindamp: find out what package it belongs to`
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`15:01.40`	`mindamp`	`uhmmm...`
`15:01.41`	`jim`	`maybe there's something in dpkg for that`
`15:01.42`	`widrone`	`nksen: Try turning firewire off in bios and retry.`
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`15:01.46`	`mindamp`	`apache2-common...`
`15:01.49`	`mindamp`	`so what now?`
`15:01.56`	`stew`	`mindamp: /msg dpkg confmiss`
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`15:02.28`	`jim`	`install them again... is the dir back now?`
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`15:03.39`	`mindamp`	`ok.. thats fine and dandy and all...`
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`15:03.49`	`mindamp`	`however now i have some of the files...`
`15:04.00`	`mindamp`	`but mods-available and sites-available are emtpy...`
`15:04.03`	`mindamp`	`and theres not damn apache2.conf`
`15:04.07`	`mindamp`	`what the hell?`
`15:04.21`	`mindamp`	`apt-get line: apt-get -o`
`15:04.21`	`row`	`dpkg-reconfigure apache2?`
`15:04.21`	`mindamp`	`+DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>`
`15:04.27`	`mindamp`	`ah`
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`15:04.39`	`Frank`	`hi people, debian sources are said (in info or man?) to be managed the same way as tarballs, but many (libc6-dev, for example) don't come with Makefiles, what shall i do with these sources (willing building debian from sources starting with base system) ?`
`15:04.42`	`mindamp`	`nope....`
`15:04.45`	`mindamp`	`still not there`
`15:04.54`	`row`	`mindamp do same for apache2-common?`
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`15:05.19`	`Frank`	`shall i use toolsuite from dpkg-dev to build them, or autoconf etc..`
`15:05.20`	`mindamp`	`nothing...`
`15:05.25`	`mindamp`	`still empty mods-available`
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`15:05.41`	`row`	`that will be the module itself unless it comes with apache?`
`15:05.49`	`mindamp`	`huh`
`15:05.54`	`jim`	`Frank: why build?`
`15:06.06`	`mindamp`	`the sites-available/sites-enabled/mods-available/mods-enabled directories are still empty`
`15:06.13`	`row`	`mindamp: if module anit in apache2/apache2-common you will ne to re set it up otherwise should be there`
`15:06.15`	`Frank`	`for educational purpose, and fine tuning`
`15:06.19`	`jim`	`just install... they are already build`
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`15:06.20`	`mindamp`	`and theres still no bloddy apache2.conf`
`15:06.31`	`jim`	`then find out how to rebuild packages`
`15:06.41`	`mindamp`	`my god`
`15:06.49`	`mindamp`	`i can't believe no one knows the answer to this problem`
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`15:06.53`	`mindamp`	`i am in #debian right?`
`15:07.09`	`Frank`	`ok, so u think building is depreacated under distribs (used to be under lfs)`
`15:07.16`	`jim`	`mindamp: you'll eventually find it yourself`
`15:07.43`	`Frank`	`unusefull for built pkgs i mean`
`15:07.44`	`mindamp`	`uhmm...`
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`15:07.46`	`mindamp`	`whatever`
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`15:07.57`	`mindamp`	`could someone help me with restoring /etc/apache2 please?`
`15:08.03`	`jim`	`Frank: not really... you can do it... but then you won't have debian anymore, you'll have something based on debian, which we dont' support`
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`15:08.12`	`mindamp`	`i accidentally removed /etc/apache2`
`15:08.17`	`orjan`	`I'm trying to install moinmoin with apache2. The docs, written for apache, says to put info in httpd.conf. Now the /etc/apache2/httpd.conf is nearly empty with a note that "here for backwords compatibility". What should be used in apache2?`
`15:08.21`	`Frank`	`ok, thanks for clearance jim`
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`15:08.46`	`jim`	`rebuilding a package isn't hard`
`15:09.04`	`jim`	`just find out how`
`15:09.10`	`jim`	`start with the package hello`
`15:09.12`	`Frank`	`so staying on debian 4 now`
`15:09.17`	`mindamp`	`jim... whatever... for some reason i feel like i have to put you on ignore`
`15:09.17`	`amorphix`	`orjan: apache.conf`
`15:09.19`	`jim`	`find out hot to rebuild`
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`15:09.57`	`orjan`	`amorphix: ok, thanks are the commands the same?`
`15:10.01`	`amorphix`	`jim is only helping`
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`15:10.17`	`amorphix`	`orjan: yeah treat it the same`
`15:10.25`	`orjan`	`amorphix: ok`
`15:10.37`	`jim`	`mindamp: be my guest :) then I don't have to support you :) evidently you don't like thinking, and I just can't hang with that`
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`15:11.15`	`amorphix`	`mindamp if you reinstalled the package cant you reconfigure it with dpkg-reconfigure?`
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`15:11.42`	`jim`	`he's even been given the actual command line to do it`
`15:11.46`	`amorphix`	`phew`
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`15:11.59`	`row`	`yes I gave it too him`
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`15:12.20`	`amorphix`	`you can only lead the horse to water....`
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`15:12.41`	`row`	`amorphix: indeed, but you cold also hold its head under it might drink some then ;)`
`15:12.46`	`row`	`could*`
`15:12.52`	`amorphix`	`haha`
`15:12.58`	`asg`	`row: at least for a few minutes`
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`15:13.07`	`amorphix`	`drown the horsey ;-)?`
`15:13.13`	`row`	`it would not be thirsty anymore tho`
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`15:13.26`	`row`	`my job would be done and I could go home happy.`
`15:13.33`	`jim`	`I mean, kill me off for giving him a chance to think for himself...`
`15:13.37`	`lestest`	`hi there ... is there a tool to trace network activity of a specific process`
`15:13.52`	`row`	`iptraf/ntop`
`15:14.01`	`amorphix`	`i like people who encourage others to think and use their brain matter a bit, rather than spoon feeding`
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`15:14.35`	`jim`	`it's kinda hard to do that here, cause everyone thinks they're my customer`
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`15:14.47`	`row`	`I must refuel and put ye old kettle on :)`
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`15:14.56`	`jim`	`and I don't see why that should be... I'm not getting paid...`
`15:14.56`	`lestest`	`row: are they like tcpdump?`
`15:15.08`	`row`	`lestest: no they are not.`
`15:15.20`	`lestest`	`is there a way to tell apt not to bother about a package missing dependecy?`
`15:15.30`	`lestest`	`row: I need something like it`
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`15:15.34`	`amorphix`	`yes`
`15:15.53`	`adamek`	`Hi -I want mark packets to 10.0.0.10. How ad it to: iptables -t mangle -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -p tcp -m multiport --sport http -j CLASSIFY --set-class 1:20`
`15:15.54`	`jim`	`lestest: if you're running unstable, sometimes it's like that...`
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`15:16.48`	`lestest`	`row: I have a client and a server application if I monitor the server I have no activity on the listen port. but I have no way to trace the client, because it uses ephimeral ports`
`15:16.48`	`jim`	`if a depended package is missing, that could mean the thing you're installing won't run...`
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`15:17.02`	`fr00d`	`Hello!`
`15:17.20`	`lestest`	`jim: it do run .. cos the package was replaced`
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`15:17.46`	`jim`	`replaced? by?`
`15:17.49`	`lestest`	`jim: I mean the package missing`
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`15:18.00`	`lestest`	`the package missing was replaced`
`15:18.07`	`fr00d`	`I've a problem with apt-get and GPG how can I get the missing GPG-Key?`
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`15:18.13`	`jim`	`so why is there a depend problem?`
`15:18.14`	`amorphix`	`lestest: --force-yes maybe`
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`15:19.03`	`lestest`	`and the package installed doesn't hav the update package in teh dependencies`
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`15:19.04`	`adamek`	`-I want mark packets to 10.0.0.10. How add it iptables rules: iptables -t mangle -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -p tcp -m multiport --sport http -j CLASSIFY --set-class 1:20`
`15:19.06`	`lestest`	`amorphix: I'll have a look to the man page thankz`
`15:19.09`	`Kiowas`	`anyone else having problems with X on unstable? I did a apt-get upgrade this morning and now X wont start`
`15:19.16`	`lestest`	`row any clue?`
`15:19.17`	`abrotman`	`adamek: #iptables`
`15:19.30`	`jim`	`Kiowas: why?`
`15:19.31`	`adamek`	`I wrote`
`15:19.31`	`abrotman`	`Kiowas: look in /var/log at your Xorg logs`
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`15:20.13`	`lestest`	`jim: just to clarify the package is not a officila debian package, is skype`
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`15:21.13`	`lestest`	`amorphix: wow man page scared me a lot ... "Using force-yes can potentially destroy your system!"`
`15:21.17`	`lestest`	`LOL`
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`15:21.18`	`stew`	`lestest: you need to change the control file in the deb to point ot the newer qt`
`15:21.32`	`Kiowas`	`abrotman there is nothing indicating a failure in /var/log/Xorg.0.org except for the usual failed to load GLX and a couple of could not init font path elements (which have always been there even when X was working fine)`
`15:21.41`	`abrotman`	`Kiowas: no EE lines ?`
`15:21.42`	`lestest`	`stew: there is no source for the pkg`
`15:21.47`	`stew`	`lestest: you don't need it`
`15:21.48`	`Kiowas`	`abrotman just the glx one`
`15:21.55`	`yam`	`I'm compiling iscsi modules on two machines, which are identical, same kernel (actually they both off the network), but at compile time, one of them returns a warning and the other one does not`
`15:21.57`	`lestest`	`cool stew tell me how please`
`15:21.59`	`amorphix`	`lestest: yeah, tread very carefully if you install outside the package system you'll be entering a world of shit`
`15:22.00`	`yam`	`makes sense? what can be?`
`15:22.07`	`abrotman`	`Kiowas: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.org .. and paste it somewhere`
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`15:22.10`	`lestest`	`amorphix: I do need skype`
`15:22.18`	`abrotman`	`Kiowas: you're not using nvidia are you ?`
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`15:22.24`	`amorphix`	`ok but maybe its best to install it separately`
`15:22.31`	`stew`	`lestest: a deb is just an ar archive of two .tar.gz archives, open it up, onen up the control .tar.gz, change the control file to point to the current qt (or whatever it is that is complaining)`
`15:22.39`	`lestest`	`stew statically you mean?`
`15:22.51`	`stew`	`lestest: statically what?`
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`15:23.01`	`Kiowas`	`abrotman I told you, just the failed GLX thing. yeah, Im using NVIDIA`
`15:23.02`	`lestest`	`sorry was not for you`
`15:23.03`	`ledet`	`any idea why i'm getting "host: symbol lookup error: host: undefined symbol: isc_net_pton" when running "host domainname.tld"?`
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`15:23.10`	`lestest`	`was fot amorphix`
`15:23.10`	`abrotman`	`Kiowas: you may have to reinstall the nvidia stuffs`
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`15:23.25`	`lestest`	`stew thankz :)`
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`15:23.33`	`amorphix`	`stew solved it`
`15:23.37`	`adamek`	`I just want: one mark for one server1:80 and second for server2:80`
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`15:23.43`	`Kiowas`	`abrotman hmm. let me try that`
`15:23.47`	`nksen`	`the setup hangs now while installing the packages. it wants to remove e2fsprogs due to a clinct/pre�depends loop`
`15:23.52`	`nksen`	`anyone knows about this issue?`
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`15:24.05`	`amorphix`	`yes`
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`15:24.12`	`amorphix`	`you need to upgrade to current stable`
`15:24.18`	`amorphix`	`before you can upgrade testing`
`15:24.18`	`lestest`	`stew: a tar archive?`
`15:24.25`	`nksen`	`oh you mean my installation disc is out of date?`
`15:24.25`	`amorphix`	`(nksen)`
`15:24.28`	`nksen`	`@ amorphix`
`15:24.30`	`amorphix`	`yup`
`15:24.35`	`nksen`	`damnit!`
`15:24.37`	`nksen`	`thx a lot!`
`15:24.44`	`stew`	`lestest: no, an ar archive`
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`15:25.04`	`lestest`	`stew: ar the tool for libraries?`
`15:25.21`	`stew`	`!ar`
`15:25.22`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that ar is argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils, or argentina`
`15:25.34`	`dubin`	`I have one user set-up on my system for multiple users to login with. How can I view what has been going on with this account. eg. commands issued etc. This account is only being used for samba access`
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`15:25.59`	`lestest`	`stew that ar, oh cool`
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`15:27.40`	`fas3r`	`anybody use thcrut?`
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`15:28.44`	`stew`	`fas3r: popcon would tell you`
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`15:29.14`	`abrotman`	`!popcon`
`15:29.15`	`dpkg`	`Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate.`
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`15:29.37`	`stew`	`actually thats not even a debian package`
`15:29.39`	`stew`	`so nm`
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`15:31.08`	`stew`	`Sleaasu: ever heard of turing and his famous test?`
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`15:32.11`	`Kiowas`	`abrotman well, that didnt work. Although it fixed the GLX issue so now there are no EE in /var/log/Xorg.0.log`
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`15:32.18`	`Kiowas`	`abrotman I wonder if its a kde issue`
`15:32.28`	`abrotman`	`Kiowas: i always blame kde .. even if there's no GUI installed :)`
`15:32.36`	`abrotman`	`Kiowas: anything in the kdm log s?`
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`15:33.02`	`Kiowas`	`abrotman no, looks empty`
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`15:33.20`	`stew`	`yuZKSaeaeo: stop`
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`15:33.41`	`lestest`	`stew: should I pass some particular option when I recrate the archive?`
`15:33.58`	`abrotman`	`Kiowas: there must be some error somewhere ..`
`15:34.09`	`abrotman`	`Kiowas: what if you just try startx ?`
`15:34.10`	`stew`	`lestest: no. just opne it up, change the control to point to the newer libs re-archive, install`
`15:34.12`	`asuffield`	`yeah, crate that archive`
`15:34.51`	`Kiowas`	`abrotman thats how I always start it`
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`15:35.01`	`abrotman`	`Kiowas: oh .. you don't use KDM ?`
`15:35.06`	`Kiowas`	`abrotman no`
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`15:35.14`	`abrotman`	`Kiowas: that would be why there's no kdm log :)`
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`15:35.22`	`Kiowas`	`oh. hehe`
`15:35.24`	`abrotman`	`Kiowas: in your $HOME .. is there an error log ?`
`15:35.37`	`Kiowas`	`abrotman what would that look like?`
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`15:36.05`	`abrotman`	`Kiowas: uhm .. ~/.xsession.error .. maybe ? .. not sure .. i don't use startx .. and i'm not sure if they changed the name for xorg`
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`15:36.13`	`ke6isf`	`Who should own /var/log/postgresql/* ? (currently, I have identd.ssh for some unexplained reason.)`
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`15:36.40`	`Kiowas`	`abrotman yes there does seem to be one`
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`15:36.46`	`abrotman`	`Kiowas: recent date?`
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`15:37.47`	`Kiowas`	`abrotman yeah, todays date. lets see whats in there`
`15:37.58`	`abrotman`	`yay`
`15:38.01`	`fbi`	`do you guys think a 350 watt power supply is adequate for a P4 (3.4ghz), two 7200 rpm disks, a dvd-rom and a dvd-rw ?`
`15:38.08`	`lestest`	`stew: I got current ar archive for my pack. and Debian binary package for the original`
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`15:39.06`	`lestest`	`fbi: I whould suggest a 400`
`15:39.09`	`weissi`	`fbi, I think you should rather use a 400W`
`15:39.13`	`fbi`	`dammit!`
`15:39.23`	`fbi`	`the only silent PSU i have is 350 watts!`
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`15:39.31`	`fbi`	`i have a 400 but it's noisy`
`15:39.36`	`abrotman`	`fbi: what's the worst that happens .. you destroy your hardware :)`
`15:39.43`	`fbi`	`abrotman: shush!`
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`15:39.47`	`abrotman`	`fbi: ok`
`15:39.51`	`fbi`	`heeeeeee`
`15:39.55`	`abrotman`	`fbi: get a new one ?`
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`15:39.59`	`abrotman`	`fbi: replace the fans ?`
`15:40.02`	`abrotman`	`err fan`
`15:40.03`	`fbi`	`i think i'm gonna have to`
`15:40.04`	`wheee`	`fbi, whats the voltage stability on the 400? the 350 easily could be a better PSU`
`15:40.04`	`dubin`	`how can the lower wattage destroy the hardware`
`15:40.08`	`Kiowas`	`abrotman well, there are a lot of undefined mimetypes but I bet that isnt it. The first thing that sounds bad says org.freedesktop.Hal does not exist`
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`15:40.18`	`row`	`hmm how can I adjust the font used by applications such as firefox/xchat etc, the default font is not as sharp as my laptop's windowmaker setup.`
`15:40.19`	`lestest`	`stew: and dpkg tell me it is not a debian package`
`15:40.21`	`abrotman`	`Kiowas: ack .. no HAL! .. the sky is falling!`
`15:40.23`	`row`	`its really odd and starting to piss me off`
`15:40.26`	`abrotman`	`Kiowas: check the BTS ...`
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`15:40.40`	`fbi`	`wheee: the 350 is an enermax, so i know it's a good psu but it makes twice as much noise`
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`15:40.47`	`Kiowas`	`abrotman then there is a variety of BadWindow errors`
`15:40.50`	`fbi`	`i'm just gonna go buy a new 400 watt silent psu`
`15:40.56`	`fbi`	`only like 80 bucks`
`15:40.59`	`Kiowas`	`abrotman whats BTS?`
`15:41.08`	`bibe`	`dpkg, bts`
`15:41.08`	`dpkg`	`bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/`
`15:41.32`	`wheee`	`fbi, wish I could "just" go by hardware like that, my deb box is a poweredge, noisy as all get out (wife says she can not sleep with it 2 rooms away)`
`15:41.45`	`lestest`	`row: .Xresources`
`15:41.59`	`wheee`	`course, it has 3x scsi drives and 2x 6inch fams plus the two in the psu`
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`15:42.06`	`row`	`ah`
`15:42.11`	`row`	`its my gtk theme`
`15:42.15`	`abrotman`	`Kiowas: the person you really want to talk to is usually here in the evening`
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`15:42.20`	`lestest`	`fbi: try the 350`
`15:42.32`	`fbi`	`wheee: that souns noisu just reading it`
`15:42.33`	`lestest`	`if it doesnt' work well upgrade`
`15:42.34`	`Kiowas`	`abrotman so, are you suspecting there is something wrong with the latest packages or are you pretty much sure of it? I already figured that was it cus its just too much coincidence that things would break down after upgrading`
`15:42.54`	`fbi`	`my new case is set up for liquid cooling but i still don't think liquid belongs anywhere near my hardware`
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`15:43.15`	`abrotman`	`Kiowas: it's quite possible .. the easy check is to grab the xorg package from the archives .. and try them ..`
`15:43.20`	`hcy`	`please help me. after doing an "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade", my gnome-terminal doesn't work as it did before. So far aside from using a different font (which I couldn't care less about), the things I see it's missing now are the menu bar at the top (it's just gone) and the ability to do things like ctrl-shift-tab to get a new tab, etc. How do I get it to work like before please?`
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`15:43.21`	`wheee`	`fbi, as long as your good about it you should be fine`
`15:43.36`	`abrotman`	`Kiowas: i'm not sure if xorg depends on hal ... was hal also upgraded ?`
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`15:43.49`	`Kiowas`	`abrotman I think only hal was upgraded`
`15:43.59`	`abrotman`	`!info hal`
`15:44.02`	`dpkg`	`hal: (Hardware Abstraction Layer), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.4.8-8 (sid), Packaged size: 205 kB, Installed size: 644 kB`
`15:44.06`	`fbi`	`hcy: sarge or testing/unstable ?`
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`15:44.12`	`hcy`	`fbi: sid`
`15:44.15`	`stew`	`no way that xorg depends on hal`
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`15:44.33`	`stew`	`people would flip if running xorg started to require udev`
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`15:44.45`	`abrotman`	`yay`
`15:44.49`	`fbi`	`hcy: heh! good luck!`
`15:44.50`	`abrotman`	`!depends hal`
`15:44.52`	`dpkg`	`hal: depends on dbus-1 (>= 0.23.4), dbus-glib-1 (>= 0.23.4), libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libcap1, libexpat1 (>= 1.95.8), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0), libhal-storage0, libhal0 (>= 0.4.0), libpopt0 (>= 1.7), adduser, pciutils, usbutils, udev (>= 0.063)`
`15:44.57`	`stew`	`abrotman: you meant rdepends`
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`15:45.04`	`stew`	`(i think)`
`15:45.05`	`abrotman`	`no .. it's there`
`15:45.08`	`abrotman`	`, libhal0`
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`15:45.38`	`row`	`how can I find out what gtk theme is default on my debian machine?`
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`15:46.09`	`bushito`	`i get acces denien to my own desktop...... how can i grant my acces again??`
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`15:46.27`	`mz_work`	`row: gtk-theme-switch ?`
`15:46.34`	`Kiowas`	`abrotman is there any way I can undo all the upgrades that were done today?`
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`15:46.35`	`jim`	`!sicco`
`15:46.35`	`dpkg`	`Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>.`
`15:46.44`	`row`	`mz_work: not install on this box mz_work`
`15:47.07`	`abrotman`	`Kiowas: not easily`
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`15:47.23`	`Kiowas`	`abrotman so, what should I do? just wait until they fix it?`
`15:47.28`	`dimir`	`yeah, a correctly generated question contains 90% of answer.`
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`15:47.32`	`bushito`	`when i try to write on desktop folder i get access denied, but it is not a root folder it is a normal user, how can i fix this?`
`15:47.39`	`abrotman`	`Kiowas: what if oyu try to start a different WM .. like blackbox ?`
`15:47.45`	`abrotman`	`(just to eliminate kde)`
`15:47.46`	`stew`	`!wikifaq bushito Permissions`
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`15:47.48`	`dpkg`	`bushito: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/`
`15:47.52`	`Kiowas`	`abrotman how can I do that?`
`15:47.53`	`abrotman`	`Kiowas: or if you try to use KDM`
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`15:47.59`	`jim`	`dimir: kinda makes it easy to answer :)`
`15:48.00`	`abrotman`	`Kiowas: perhaps we shoiuld try KDM first :)`
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`15:48.20`	`row`	`ah`
`15:48.21`	`Kiowas`	`abrotman KDM does not meet my needs`
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`15:48.26`	`row`	`it needed anit-aliasing turned on`
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`15:48.39`	`abrotman`	`Kiowas: then you need to install another WM .. and then change .. erm .. .xsession or .xinitrc`
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`15:49.05`	`dimir`	`jim: true. And for a person, which is asking, while making a research how to ask it correclty, he might easily get the answer himself.`
`15:49.12`	`lestest`	`stewany help?`
`15:49.20`	`jim`	`yes!`
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`15:49.23`	`lestest`	`stew: any help?`
`15:49.25`	`wheee`	`is there anyway to enable VNC for gnome/kde login?`
`15:49.29`	`dimir`	`Been there, done that!`
`15:49.30`	`dimir`	`;-)`
`15:49.37`	`jim`	`cool teeshirt?`
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`15:49.53`	`stew`	`lestest: unar / untar the two side by side and see what's different`
`15:50.02`	`dimir`	`jim: nah, thanks, I prefer coffee.`
`15:50.03`	`dimir`	`:-P`
`15:50.13`	`Kiowas`	`abrotman do you think this is something that is likely to be fixed soon?`
`15:50.14`	`lestest`	`stew: the difference is in the file format`
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`15:50.23`	`lestest`	`Ill try`
`15:50.26`	`stew`	`lestest: what does that mean?`
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`15:50.35`	`abrotman`	`Kiowas: no idea .. you'd have to find the offending packag e.. and see if a bug was filed against it .. you also might want to ask #debian-kde`
`15:50.43`	`abrotman`	`though i doubt they would be much help`
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`15:51.13`	`jim`	`bushito: now if you could explain what it is that is saying access denied and check the password and such first...`
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`15:51.35`	`Kiowas`	`abrotman alright. well, thanks. I think Ill just load up my other installation and try upgrading again tommorrow to see if this is fixed`
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`15:52.01`	`b1rkoff`	`!Wikifaq b1rkoff Install`
`15:52.02`	`dpkg`	`b1rkoff: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Install or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/`
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`15:52.16`	`lestest`	`stew difference is only in the control file`
`15:52.18`	`abrotman`	`Kiowas: ok .. but i'd try to find the error`
`15:52.44`	`widrone`	`nksen: ping - did it work? You getting any further in that install?`
`15:52.48`	`Kiowas`	`abrotman my main concer is that it might be something that requires my intervention cus if it does then I wanna get it out of the way today that I have a day off not throughout the next of the week that I have to wokr`
`15:53.07`	`Kiowas`	`wow...that was really bad english :/`
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`15:54.06`	`chnaon`	`Hi all... does anyone know why quanta isn't in Etch? search the debian-mailing-list but didn't find anything... Is there any way to get quanta except getting it from sid?`
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`15:54.11`	`stew`	`lestest: dunno then. I know this exact sequence worked for others with the skype package`
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`15:54.32`	`abrotman`	`Kiowas: if you think it was hal .. grab the hal from snapshot.debian.net`
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`15:54.54`	`fbi`	`chnaon: /msg dpkg simple sid backport`
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`15:55.37`	`stew`	`!why is quanta not in testing`
`15:55.37`	`dpkg`	`quanta is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=quanta`
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`15:56.07`	`lestest`	`stew: ar x skype ; modify control ; ar r skype right?`
`15:56.09`	`bushito`	`jim, it doesnt have a password, it is my desktop and in a sudden it said access denien when i was trying ot donwload a thing`
`15:56.17`	`chealer`	`stew, quanta is in stable`
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`15:56.24`	`stew`	`chealer: yup`
`15:56.31`	`jim`	`bushito: why does it do that?`
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`15:56.53`	`bushito`	`jim, thats what i am tryung to figure it out, i guess that i cahnged permission only to root =S`
`15:57.14`	`bushito`	`jim, but i didnt tell linux to do that =S`
`15:57.16`	`stew`	`lestest: yes`
`15:57.23`	`b1rkoff`	`is there a free book like "using debian" in pdf or else?`
`15:58.17`	`jim`	`b1rkoff: there's lots of little things, there's an orielly book, others`
`15:58.34`	`jim`	`bushito: so you're logged in OK?`
`15:58.42`	`cahoot`	`b1rkoff: you want more than what's to be fiund in the doc section on debian.org?`
`15:59.05`	`bushito`	`jim, yes, but i cannot modify my desktop, alwasys says acces denied`
`15:59.12`	`hakuna-matata`	`cahoot: yeah.. i like docs.. free books`
`15:59.13`	`jim`	`hmm`
`15:59.15`	`chnaon`	`okey read the stuff on http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=quanta and guess its cos some bug... gonna try for the unstable package again then...`
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`15:59.20`	`lestest`	`stew: did it, was the archive content order, thanks`
`15:59.27`	`jim`	`modify your desktop?`
`15:59.27`	`hakuna-matata`	`cahoot: yeahh`
`15:59.29`	`chealer`	`chnaon, bad idea`
`15:59.31`	`mirak`	`hi`
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`15:59.42`	`mirak`	`how to an exact replica of an audio cd ?`
`15:59.46`	`jim`	`how do you try to do that?`
`16:00.07`	`stew`	`mirak: go to the store and buy another`
`16:00.12`	`fbi`	`haha`
`16:00.13`	`bushito`	`jim, like deleteing a txt, movin carpets`
`16:00.15`	`mirak`	`stew: ohoho`
`16:00.18`	`chnaon`	`chealer: what do you suggest else to do? can I take the stable package and install in etch?`
`16:00.19`	`Akbar`	`does anyone by any chance have a fglrx-kernel module deb for the stock 2.6.12-1-k7? ;p`
`16:00.26`	`cahoot`	`mirak: rip it and burn the wavs?`
`16:00.26`	`fbi`	`ohoho? green giant!`
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`16:00.59`	`mirak`	`cahoot: I want the exact layout, so cddb can find it`
`16:01.12`	`mirak`	`fbi: géant vert yes`
`16:01.13`	`jim`	`bushito: so you're trying to delete a text file?`
`16:01.15`	`jim`	`how?`
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`16:01.40`	`bushito`	`eehh, click on it delete..... (o_O)`
`16:01.42`	`fbi`	`what the heck was that character between the g and the a?`
`16:01.43`	`mirak`	`stew: here we have the right to do private copies`
`16:01.45`	`S4nD3r`	`Hi there. Is there any software that gets layout of my network automatically???`
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`16:02.05`	`chealer`	`chnaon, you can try it, but it would be a good idea to check why it's not in testing first`
`16:02.06`	`fbi`	`looks like a football goalpost on my screen`
`16:02.10`	`mirak`	`stew: for the car for exemple, or second house`
`16:02.12`	`hakuna-matata`	`cahoot\`
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`16:02.19`	`S4nD3r`	`something like cheops`
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`16:02.33`	`IsaacHaze`	`mirak: if cddb needs a bit-wise exact match, then that is not going to work`
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`16:02.54`	`cahoot`	`hakuna-matata: was just wondering if you already sifted through those docs`
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`16:03.00`	`resiak`	`CDDB just uses the track lengths IIRC`
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`16:03.12`	`hakuna-matata`	`yeah, already got them\`
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`16:03.38`	`mirak`	`IsaacHaze: yes, I am not sure what cddb uses to know`
`16:03.54`	`tep_sok`	`hello, i am getting su: Critical error - immediate abort when i am trying to su or login on text console .... has anyone experienced the same? (debian sid)`
`16:04.09`	`mirak`	`IsaacHaze: I tryed to do a cat /dev/cdrom > my.iso but it doesn't work`
`16:04.13`	`IsaacHaze`	`my guess would be that they generate a hash based on the track lengths, like resiak said`
`16:04.22`	`qalim`	`mirak,`
`16:04.43`	`qalim`	`you want to do dd if=dev/cdrom of=my.iso`
`16:05.06`	`nvz`	`tep_sok: ? login as whom or su what?`
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`16:05.24`	`nvz`	`tep_sok: and why would you get a su error when logging in?`
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`16:05.30`	`jim`	`bushito: where on the disk are these things actually located?`
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`16:05.55`	`tep_sok`	`:) login/su as any user or root`
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`16:06.02`	`tep_sok`	`but i can run kde from kdm :)`
`16:06.03`	`mirak`	`qalim: it doesn't work !!! I hve tried on more than one cd`
`16:06.13`	`nvz`	`tep_sok: again why would you get a su error when logging in?`
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`16:06.33`	`tep_sok`	`nvz: su error is for su, for login it is without su`
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`16:06.40`	`tep_sok`	`but text is the same`
`16:06.50`	`chnaon`	`chealer: when I read the stuff on http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=quanta the two first post says that there are no old version in testing and about a release-critical bug... not sure why the package isn't in testing but guess cos the bug.`
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`16:06.59`	`tep_sok`	`"Critical error - immediate abort:`
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`16:07.03`	`tep_sok`	`s/:/"/`
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`16:08.11`	`chnaon`	`chealer: really need quanta now so gonna try the stable package, else its going to be the unstable but then all my kde-stuff gonna upgrade I guess...`
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`16:08.57`	`bushito`	`jim, file:/home/bushito/Desktop`
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`16:08.59`	`stew`	`chnaon: /msg dpkg simple sid backport`
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`16:09.19`	`tep_sok`	`gr... root login in kdm is not allowed for me :) i will have to boot some cd and do some lobotomy it seems`
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`16:09.25`	`jim`	`bushito: ok,,, and who are you presently logged in as?`
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`16:09.32`	`bushito`	`jim, bushito`
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`16:09.46`	`nvz`	`tep_sok: I would examine your /var/log/messages, /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow and /etc/skel/ files`
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`16:10.03`	`tep_sok`	`yes, i will try (when i will hack root)`
`16:10.08`	`chnaon`	`stew: yeah but my kde gonna upgrade as well.. last time I did that my computer got problem... skype wouldn't install etc...`
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`16:10.13`	`chealer`	`chnaon, that site doesn't explain you why quante isn't in testing anymore`
`16:10.22`	`SuperSox_`	`woah, I obviously came in at random conversation`
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`16:10.31`	`tep_sok`	`but i thought more poeple could be experiencing this if they are running sid`
`16:10.33`	`SuperSox_`	`time to check the other reason to see why tep_sok is talking about hacking root :)`
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`16:10.37`	`jim`	`so if you're trying to remove a file from a dir, say /home/bushito/Desktop, what can cause that to throw a permission-denied error?`
`16:10.42`	`Anthro`	`Why does ChanServ like me?`
`16:10.59`	`bushito`	`jim, thats what i am asking here =)`
`16:11.12`	`jim`	`think about it...`
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`16:11.22`	`nvz`	`Anthro: GNAA hacked chanserv`
`16:11.28`	`jim`	`did you do things as root?`
`16:11.32`	`Anthro`	`nvz: Oh, good lord.`
`16:11.32`	`chnaon`	`chealer: no it hadn't that much info about that... but cant find anything else about quanta.. at least it confirmed that it isn't in etch anymore...`
`16:11.34`	`bushito`	`jim, well it says owner root =) but i dont get chmod to work right`
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`16:11.51`	`chealer`	`chnaon, hehe`
`16:11.52`	`nvz`	`Anthro: yes, my son?`
`16:11.56`	`jim`	`bushito: what thing is owned by root?`
`16:12.02`	`rohal`	`how t oregister for debain?`
`16:12.07`	`Anthro`	`nvz: :-PbPbPb`
`16:12.09`	`bushito`	`file:/home/bushito/Desktop (Dekstop is owned by root)`
`16:12.18`	`chealer`	`!debain`
`16:12.18`	`dpkg`	`Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh!`
`16:12.34`	`rohal`	`sorry #debian.....sometimes i am not able to send any messages to the room???`
`16:12.34`	`nvz`	`its past bedtime`
`16:12.38`	`tep_sok`	`rohal: /part ? :)`
`16:12.40`	`jim`	`bushito: so... you have a directory that is OWNED by a user that's not you`
`16:12.42`	`jim`	`yes?`
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`16:12.51`	`bushito`	`jim, yes but i didnt seted this`
`16:13.00`	`jim`	`perhaps not`
`16:13.06`	`Anthro`	`!kill bushito`
`16:13.11`	`rohal`	`tep_sok: could not get it???`
`16:13.12`	`bushito`	`X_`
`16:13.12`	`jim`	`but that is the situation for better or worse`
`16:13.27`	`bushito`	`jim, but i am th eonly user =) now one uses my comp`
`16:13.33`	`chnaon`	`chealer: installing quanta from stable repo now and it seems to work...`
`16:13.34`	`tep_sok`	`rohal sory i am tired`
`16:13.38`	`bushito`	`no*`
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`16:13.47`	`chealer`	`chnaon, good`
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`16:13.56`	`rohal`	`can some one tell me how to register for #debian?`
`16:14.11`	`nvz`	`rohal: sure, tell us wtf that means`
`16:14.12`	`tep_sok`	`rohal please explain`
`16:14.15`	`jim`	`what happens when you try to make a file or remove a file from a directory you don't own?`
`16:14.16`	`dimir`	`rohal: /msg nickserv register <password>`
`16:14.17`	`grendal_prime`	`anyone know of an app to record screenshots in a sort of movie format....flash...avi not really important on the format`
`16:14.21`	`chealer`	`rohal, you just need to register to freenode (nickserv)`
`16:14.24`	`bigjocker`	`rohal, /part #debian`
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`16:14.29`	`bushito`	`jim, get acces denien =)`
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`16:14.43`	`jim`	`or, alternative question: what do you think -should- happen? and why?`
`16:14.57`	`dimir`	`rohal: if you ment registering your nick on freenode`
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`16:15.43`	`bushito`	`jim, it is that i dont know about permission i really know that, but when the permission change without your decision or even worth it chages your Desktop permision to root =) without confirmation, then thats what i dont understand =)`
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`16:15.59`	`pack`	`is a2ps/gs/html2ps borked in stable?`
`16:16.07`	`jim`	`did you do things as root?`
`16:16.12`	`rohal`	`i am sometimes not able to send message to room....some one said you are not registered to #debian?`
`16:16.14`	`bushito`	`jim, no`
`16:16.26`	`jim`	`you -never- did anything as root?`
`16:16.27`	`bushito`	`jim, i dont use root account, i only use it to apt-get things`
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`16:16.37`	`jim`	`well ok, never is too strong a word`
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`16:16.53`	`jim`	`ok, that's good`
`16:17.01`	`nvz`	`never, say never, whatever you do`
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`16:17.18`	`bushito`	`jim then why it it change and how do i change it back =P`
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`16:17.40`	`jim`	`who lived in a little house?`
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`16:17.50`	`jim`	`bushito: you use chown`
`16:17.56`	`jalel`	`what s the diferences between reiserfs and ext3 ?`
`16:17.56`	`nvz`	`no Fifle Mouskawits or whatever his name was`
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`16:18.19`	`jim`	`jalel: they are both journaling fses`
`16:18.36`	`jim`	`reiser has had stories of total data loss`
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`16:18.48`	`wheee`	`okies im stumped: What could cause kde/gnome to ignore the settings for xf86??`
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`16:19.01`	`bigjocker`	`wheee, what do you mean?`
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`16:19.39`	`widrone`	`bushito: Maybe an update you did changed perms of the "somefile" in a bad way.`
`16:19.42`	`nvz`	`what you talkin bout wheee?`
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`16:19.56`	`ranjeeth_`	`i have been using conexant adsl usb modem is there any driver so that i can use it in linux`
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`16:20.02`	`nvz`	`</different strokes>`
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`16:20.15`	`wheee`	`bigjocker: I have configured X to use 1024x768 as the ONLY resolution, but when mde/gdm start they use 800x600 (and the resolution changer has 800x600 nad 640x480 listed)`
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`16:20.23`	`ranjeeth_`	`how to mount pen drive`
`16:20.32`	`fas3r`	`anybody know what is your this error Fatal: libnet_open_link_interface: unknown physical layer type 0x322 ??`
`16:20.42`	`bigjocker`	`wheee, you must be having problems with the driver`
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`16:20.54`	`hakuna-matata`	`anyone here like networking or learning networking?`
`16:20.59`	`ranjeeth_`	`when i mount pen drive it shows some error like could't mount spl devices suggest`
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`16:21.15`	`nvz`	`wheee: and what did the X log say?`
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`16:21.20`	`sirv`	`anyone know why /etc/init.d/ssh start doesn't start ssh anymore on my debian stable system?`
`16:21.21`	`grelli`	`hakuna-matata: yeah...`
`16:21.22`	`wheee`	`bigjocker, thats likely, its ATI afterall. Happen to know the best driver to use for a Rage IIC card?`
`16:21.25`	`jim`	`bushito: the "why did it change" question is a good one; I have no idea`
`16:21.34`	`bigjocker`	`wheee, use the ATI provided drivers`
`16:21.38`	`wheee`	`nvz, ill go look`
`16:21.48`	`nvz`	`wheee: that would be very wise`
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`16:21.56`	`ranjeeth_`	`is there firmeware for conexatnt usb adsl modem chipset`
`16:21.56`	`hakuna-matata`	`grelli: yeah? cool`
`16:22.06`	`hakuna-matata`	`grelli: pm u ? :)`
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`16:22.10`	`abrotman`	`!u`
`16:22.13`	`dpkg`	`Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not U. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201`
`16:22.27`	`bushito`	`=/, hhhhmm`
`16:22.35`	`widrone`	`sirv: any error messages maybe, it must be saying something to you?`
`16:22.46`	`nvz`	`abrotman: did you get a fuckin neural implant or something?`
`16:22.56`	`abrotman`	`nvz: que?`
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`16:23.04`	`grelli`	`hakuna-matata: sure`
`16:23.06`	`nvz`	`abrotman: seems like you are here all hours anymore`
`16:23.07`	`abrotman`	`nvz: why do you say that ?`
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`16:23.11`	`abrotman`	`nvz: i am not! ..`
`16:23.11`	`nite613`	`fas3r : What sort of link are you trying to use when you get that error?`
`16:23.20`	`abrotman`	`nvz: i sleep .. for like .. 7 hours!`
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`16:23.25`	`nvz`	`abrotman: you were here last night when I went to work, and you are here now`
`16:23.33`	`jim`	`bushito, you'll have to think back to figure out what you might have done to cause it...`
`16:23.43`	`fas3r`	`nite613, when i use thcrut ...`
`16:23.44`	`abrotman`	`nvz: i'm at work ?`
`16:23.50`	`jim`	`or just change it back and forget it for now`
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`16:24.12`	`nvz`	`abrotman: how the hell should I know where you are`
`16:24.17`	`nite613`	`fas3r: I've seen the same thing when using UML tun/tap interfaces and attempting to run tcpdump on them. I ended up modifying tcpdump to treat the physical layer type as if it were ethernet and it worked`
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`16:24.20`	`jim`	`maybe it'll happen again, and you'll see what you did`
`16:24.28`	`lestest`	`I'm trying to track some TCP traffic on a port with I tcpdump -i lo , but I see packets from and to my nic is this possible?`
`16:24.36`	`abrotman`	`nvz: because .. you think i'm always here?`
`16:24.41`	`bushito`	`jim, hhmmm T_T dang`
`16:24.47`	`fas3r`	`nite613, it's possible you explain it on pv ....`
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`16:24.53`	`nite613`	`fas3r: Sound like you might be pointing it at an eth interface instead of a wlan interface?`
`16:25.02`	`nite613`	`pv?`
`16:25.05`	`hakuna-matata`	`grelli: im pm you`
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`16:25.28`	`abrotman`	`!msg`
`16:25.29`	`dpkg`	`(1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/).`
`16:25.42`	`grelli`	`abrotman: he did ask`
`16:25.45`	`grelli`	`well, sort of`
`16:25.48`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
`16:26.11`	`jim`	`(4) Michael Shenkner Group`
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`16:26.26`	`bushito`	`msg dpkg bittorrent commands`
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`16:26.31`	`nvz`	`abrotman: because when I went to work last night around 11pm you were here talking to me, then you were here aroun 9am when I got home talking to me..`
`16:26.42`	`nvz`	`abrotman: its like you are always here`
`16:26.59`	`fas3r`	`nite613, yes in private conversation ...`
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`16:27.02`	`jim`	`bushito: were you able to change the owner of the Desktop dir?`
`16:27.24`	`bushito`	`reading a manual about chown =), jim`
`16:27.35`	`nite613`	`fas3r: I'm not sure I can offer any more help than what I have already mentioned. It looks like you're pointing it at the wrong interface. If that's not the case then I don't know what's wrong.`
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`16:28.00`	`jim`	`bushito: according to that manual, are there any special requirements for using chown?`
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`16:28.47`	`bushito`	`jim, ??? requirments???`
`16:28.51`	`sirv`	`widrone: no, when I try to start sshd either from commandline "sshd" or with the start-stop-deamon it doesn't come up att all`
`16:28.55`	`fas3r`	`nite613, where i modify tcpdump physical layer?`
`16:28.59`	`jim`	`bushito: yes...`
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`16:29.07`	`sirv`	`when I try with sshd -d it works for one connection and then dies`
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`16:29.12`	`fas3r`	`it's for my wireless card ...`
`16:29.15`	`jim`	`any special conditions you have to satisfy?`
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`16:29.27`	`bushito`	`jim, it doesnt talk in here about requierments (o_O)`
`16:29.29`	`me2you`	`gibt es jemand hier das deutsch sprecht?`
`16:29.32`	`asg`	`!de`
`16:29.32`	`dpkg`	`hmm... de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de`
`16:29.42`	`me2you`	`danke`
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`16:30.17`	`kokkoo`	`hi im having troubles with ftp upload, being very, very slow (its gbit switched), only getting 1-2mb\sek, but with download its 25-26mb\sek... please advice :)`
`16:30.21`	`session`	`Right now I'm playing music of my linux server using ssh and mpg124 from windows. Are ther any other more "graphic" ways to do this? Other programs etc. ?`
`16:30.26`	`bushito`	`jim, you mean commands?, like the -c and those?`
`16:30.33`	`blaaman1`	`I can't apt-get install libxine-dev . It says is has unmet dependencies. Can I do anything about it ? I am running testing.`
`16:30.36`	`asg`	`kokkoo: sounds like a duplex mismatch between your nick and your switch`
`16:30.37`	`stew`	`session: tried cplay?`
`16:30.56`	`kokkoo`	`asg : theire both auto negated.`
`16:31.00`	`syntaxx`	`session, or mp3blaster?`
`16:31.08`	`nvz`	`session: mpd and a graphical windows client`
`16:31.16`	`asg`	`kokkoo: they may not have negotiated a correct duplex though (Extreme switches are notorious for this.)`
`16:31.20`	`session`	`great :)`
`16:31.30`	`asg`	`kokkoo: use ethtool to verify that the nic and switch are using the same`
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`16:31.56`	`jim`	`bushito: no, what I mean is, is there anything you have to do first in order to use chown?`
`16:32.05`	`nite613`	`fas3r: You'd have to modify THC-Rut, not tcpdump if that's what you're using. It would be non-trivial, as THC-Rut apparently doesn't support 802.11 as the physical layer. I think you might be out of luck`
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`16:32.08`	`kokkoo`	`asg : #dump :)`
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`16:32.23`	`jim`	`are there times you cannot use chown?`
`16:32.28`	`asg`	`kokkoo: if you need to paste, /msg dpkg paster`
`16:32.31`	`nvz`	`I found a good music lookup site text-browser friendly for the most part, and no BS. should you ever need to script lookups of music gracenote.com would probably be a good site to use`
`16:32.38`	`nvz`	`clean data no bs`
`16:32.47`	`syntaxx`	`any suggestion to what to do.. if my incoming port is being blocked by my isp? i cant even up my email server and web server even psybnc hehe`
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`16:33.10`	`bushito`	`jim, eehh havent tried chown dont even know how to use it =)`
`16:33.16`	`asg`	`syntaxx: pick an ISP that doesn't suck or use a hosting or coloc provider`
`16:33.20`	`kokkoo`	`asg : its there :)`
`16:33.24`	`nvz`	`bushito: man chown`
`16:33.34`	`bushito`	`nvz thx`
`16:33.43`	`fas3r`	`do you know other program whose is possible to send arp request for scan ip range ..?`
`16:33.44`	`asg`	`kokkoo: what's where?`
`16:33.44`	`jim`	`he is now`
`16:33.46`	`kokkoo`	`asg : http://channels.debian.net/paste/923.`
`16:33.46`	`wheee`	`nvz, i have a few errors in the log, namely (WW) Open APM failed (/dev/apm_bios) (No such file or directory)`
`16:33.52`	`syntaxx`	`asg, heh other isp here in my place is a dial up.. this is the only unlimited wireless connection in here =/`
`16:34.14`	`asg`	`kokkoo: and on your switch?`
`16:34.19`	`nvz`	`bushito: and on the 4th day, god said let there be manpages. And he saw that this was good. And the evening and the morning ...`
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`16:34.34`	`kokkoo`	`asg: on the switch its as it should be :)`
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`16:34.54`	`asg`	`kokkoo: does /sbin/ifconfig <interface> show a large number of collision/errors?`
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`16:34.59`	`nvz`	`wheee: no, see (WW) is a warning, not an error`
`16:35.06`	`bushito`	`nvz, i am going to take a hitting bat and hit God till death >_>`
`16:35.17`	`wheee`	`i always think of warnings as errors`
`16:35.23`	`kokkoo`	`asg: none whatsoever`
`16:35.24`	`nvz`	`wheee: besides what you are looking for is why the mode you desire is not being used`
`16:35.27`	`armadilo`	`any idea why 'mail user' doesnt write anything to /var/mail/user and hence the user doesnt receive mails?`
`16:35.34`	`stew`	`!warning`
`16:35.34`	`dpkg`	`Yerp, lots of software outputs warnings. Kernel module warnings on boot, mplayer warnings, GTK warnings, X11 warnings, build warnings, gpg warnings. Don't be scared - informative output is a GOOD THING. Consider yourself warned, and if the program works as expected, be happy.`
`16:35.34`	`asg`	`kokkoo: and you aren't doing QOS or anything like that?`
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`16:35.49`	`kokkoo`	`asg : nope, nothing fancy schmancy`
`16:35.49`	`Aquarina`	`hi`
`16:35.59`	`nvz`	`wheee: no, see I can warn you not to fall in that hole, but if you do it, you made the error of not heeding my warning. there is a big difference`
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`16:36.21`	`asg`	`kokkoo: then I don't know.`
`16:36.26`	`nksen`	`damn. hows the enlightenment channel caleld`
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`16:37.17`	`asg`	`rohal: can you speak in channel?`
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`16:37.20`	`Aquarina`	`please allow me to ask: how do you say "sleeping members at the end of a night" in english?!`
`16:37.28`	`session`	`are there no graphical windows client for mpg123 ?`
`16:37.47`	`asg`	`Aquarina: erm, try #english`
`16:38.19`	`kokkoo`	`asg: right ill try and find something alltho dont know what im looking for, maybe update drivers locally`
`16:38.20`	`wheee`	`mmmmm, i dont like this`
`16:38.26`	`wheee`	`warning, 3 line paste`
`16:38.34`	`wheee`	`II) ATI(0): Largest offscreen areas (with overlaps):`
`16:38.34`	`wheee`	`(II) ATI(0): 800 x 710 rectangle at 0,600`
`16:38.34`	`wheee`	`(II) ATI(0): 320 x 711 rectangle at 0,600`
`16:38.37`	`widrone`	`session: mpg123-el - a front-end program to mpg123 audio player on Emacsen <- not quite, but a step?`
`16:38.46`	`cahoot`	`Aquarina: you actually said it in english though`
`16:38.57`	`asg`	`kokkoo: try another protocol (scp for instance) and see if you get the same issue.`
`16:39.27`	`Aquarina`	`cahoot: a word for that sensation`
`16:39.31`	`widrone`	`session: gqmpeg - a GTK+ front end to mpg321/mpg123 and ogg123`
`16:39.44`	`bushito`	`do anyone know a **** powerfull easy to use torrent program??`
`16:40.09`	`cahoot`	`Aquarina: numbness? (me a foreigner too)`
`16:40.10`	`zuralin`	`azureus?`
`16:40.19`	`bushito`	`besideds, ktorrent, bittornado, azureus, bittorrent`
`16:40.20`	`stew`	`bushito: btdownload cureses`
`16:40.23`	`widrone`	`session: apt-cache search is still our commen friend.`
`16:40.25`	`stew`	`err s/ //`
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`16:40.33`	`wheee`	`bushito, ABC torrent =)`
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`16:40.35`	`stew`	`too much coffee for stew`
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`16:40.42`	`Aquarina`	`cahoot: must be that`
`16:40.42`	`bushito`	`and that one 2 wheee >_>`
`16:40.46`	`yassaccan`	`rtorrent`
`16:40.46`	`Aquarina`	`tks`
`16:40.50`	`asg`	`stew: just need some beer to bring the shakes down`
`16:41.10`	`stew`	`word`
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`16:42.16`	`grendal_prime`	`screen recording? anyone? anyone?`
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`16:43.02`	`bushito`	`stew,btdownload cureses is that a command??`
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`16:43.28`	`asg`	`grendal_prime: can you be more specific?`
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`16:44.41`	`session`	`!remove`
`16:44.46`	`grendal_prime`	`well i need to do some recording of the screen...you know to illustratate how to use a program`
`16:45.06`	`grendal_prime`	`not any program ive written...mine are all idiot proof ui...but this other thing the company uses`
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`16:45.22`	`grendal_prime`	`groupwise...i hate it..`
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`16:45.29`	`asg`	`grendal_prime: there is a howto for vnc2swf at debian-administration.org`
`16:45.33`	`grendal_prime`	`anyway..boss wants to make some movies`
`16:45.36`	`grendal_prime`	`aaa`
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`16:45.52`	`asg`	`grendal_prime: groupwise is shit but at least it was better than Outlook`
`16:46.00`	`session`	`How to reconf programs?`
`16:46.12`	`asg`	`session: depends, try dpkg-reconfigure <pkg> first.`
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`16:46.15`	`grendal_prime`	`im looking at the offical page for that app..would be cool if there was a deb of it`
`16:46.24`	`grendal_prime`	`but doesnt look as though thats possible`
`16:46.30`	`asg`	`grendal_prime: read the howto at debian-administration.org`
`16:46.33`	`nvz`	`asg: shit would be better than outlook`
`16:46.33`	`cmdKeen`	`where is mysql config file please ?`
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`16:46.56`	`grendal_prime`	`by the way..im having considerable trouble with flash...these days...since i upgraded to x-org...anyone else?`
`16:47.04`	`chealer`	`cmdKeen, /etc/mysql/ ?`
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`16:47.14`	`grendal_prime`	`i mean in the browsers...im wondering if i just have something wrong`
`16:47.20`	`hakuna-matata`	`ok`
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`16:47.23`	`grendal_prime`	`as far as plugins go...`
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`16:47.32`	`asg`	`nvz: yeah, at least your shit doesn't get infected with Sober.B`
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`16:47.38`	`grendal_prime`	`sometimes flash works fine..sometimes it doesnt...`
`16:47.39`	`armadilo`	`is it possible run netcat without it disconnecting the client after quit?`
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`16:47.56`	`asg`	`armadilo: run it in a scripted while loop`
`16:48.05`	`asg`	`armadilo: run it from inetd`
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`16:48.19`	`armadilo`	`ah inetd sounds good, thanks.`
`16:48.21`	`wheee`	`woohoo! no ati rage IIc drivers from ati or 3rd parties`
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`16:48.49`	`BucWheat`	`hi all i've installed cups and i'm trying to configure cups from another computer via web interface and i get access denied why is this? i am on the same network`
`16:48.57`	`armadilo`	`asg inetd will create a new process for each connection? or a new thread?`
`16:49.10`	`xelam`	`BucWheat: because the default settings allow access from only localhost`
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`16:49.16`	`nvz`	`BucWheat: because it probably only allows localhost which is a good thing`
`16:49.20`	`asg`	`armadilo: new process but linux processes are light`
`16:49.21`	`nvz`	`rohal: hello`
`16:49.23`	`rohal`	`test`
`16:49.27`	`nvz`	`rohal: passed`
`16:49.29`	`asg`	`rohal: you're alive`
`16:49.30`	`aurax`	`is there sap style application for debian ?`
`16:49.30`	`rohal`	`working...:)`
`16:49.35`	`aurax`	`like sap business one`
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`16:49.39`	`asg`	`rohal: you got my message about not ircing as root then?`
`16:49.42`	`nvz`	`rohal: gaim wasn't letting you IRC as root I guess`
`16:49.43`	`BucWheat`	`Forbidden`
`16:49.43`	`BucWheat`	`You don't have permission to access the resource on this server.`
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`16:49.50`	`asg`	`nvz: #debian doesn't let you irc as root`
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`16:50.00`	`nvz`	`asg: ah. I didnt know that`
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`16:50.13`	`BucWheat`	`xelam i looked in cups.conf and i didn't see whre to enable configuration from other computers on the network`
`16:50.13`	`asg`	`nvz: debhelper +q's iirc or dpkg does.`
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`16:50.20`	`rohal`	`nvz: gaim seems to be intelligent..i didnt notice i am root....`
`16:50.43`	`nvz`	`asg: he /msg me, I was looking through my logs to see what was up I didnt see any +b's just the n=root`
`16:50.47`	`asg`	`rohal: it should be the other way around. It should scream bloody murder if you are ircing as root.`
`16:50.51`	`armadilo`	`asg actually u cant run it on inetd.`
`16:51.11`	`armadilo`	`asg the idea in inetd is that you dont really listen on a socket, the inetd does it for you, but nc will do it anyway so its not going to work`
`16:51.32`	`rohal`	`asg:...:) now problems....:) .........how to auto load modules as system starts??`
`16:51.34`	`asg`	`armadilo: ah, true.`
`16:51.41`	`asg`	`rohal: echo <modulename> >> /etc/modules`
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`16:51.52`	`nvz`	`rohal: apt-get install modconf`
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`16:52.22`	`armadilo`	`when i 'mail user' does it do it thru my smtp server?`
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`16:52.29`	`armadilo`	`or it just open()s the mail file and write it there`
`16:52.45`	`asg`	`armadilo: you should probably code something in perl or python then since you are approaching something non-trivial and, while netcat is the dog's bollacks, it probably is too much for netcat`
`16:52.48`	`nvz`	`rohal: you can do without. modconf just shows modules in a curses interface and adds them or removes them to/from /etc/modules for you`
`16:52.59`	`xelam`	`BucWheat: dunno, I found it easier to tunnel port 631 over SSH for getting to the web interface :\`
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`16:53.12`	`nvz`	`rohal: asg's method assumes you have a blank line at the end of the file in order for it to work properly`
`16:53.12`	`armadilo`	`asg whats not trivial in just fork()ing a new handler for each connection`
`16:53.17`	`aurax`	`any good crm around ?`
`16:53.18`	`armadilo`	`or a thread, whatever`
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`16:53.22`	`asg`	`armadilo: you can verify that by looking at your /var/log/mail* logs`
`16:53.31`	`omarc`	`hola alguien habla espa�ol`
`16:53.32`	`tvn`	`is there an option in wget that skip the files on the server which already exist on my hard drive ?`
`16:53.34`	`asg`	`armadilo: python provides simple handlers for that`
`16:53.37`	`bushito`	`T_T how the hell i use bittornado >_>`
`16:53.37`	`asg`	`!tell omarc about es`
`16:53.38`	`omarc`	`plizzzz ayudaaaaaaaaaa`
`16:53.44`	`rohal`	`nvz: k thanks then ill install it better...`
`16:53.45`	`aurax`	`ah well`
`16:53.47`	`bushito`	`omarc, aki nadie habla espa�ol`
`16:53.49`	`aurax`	`dont you tired from that crappy !tell ?`
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`16:53.57`	`bushito`	`omarc vete a debian-es`
`16:54.04`	`omarc`	`ok graciassss`
`16:54.04`	`aurax`	`newb`
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`16:54.09`	`armadilo`	`asg problem is that i program only in C.`
`16:54.14`	`armadilo`	`and bash ;)`
`16:54.17`	`aurax`	`hehe`
`16:54.23`	`asg`	`armadilo: it's easy to embed a python interpreter in C`
`16:54.29`	`md5sum`	`if you install a package on top of the same program that was installed from source, will it overwrite?`
`16:54.35`	`asg`	`armadilo: and call C libs from python.`
`16:54.37`	`jim`	`not perl, c++ or ada? not tcl? not sql?`
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`16:54.58`	`armadilo`	`asg in that case id just do it in C no? :)`
`16:55.00`	`asg`	`aurax: !tell is useful because when you spew to channel, the morons barely even notice`
`16:55.06`	`nvz`	`rohal: you should always keep a blank line at the bottom of files like /etc/modules, /etc/fstab ..etc which are configuration list entries. because echo is the standard method used to add stuff to them and if there is not a blank line it will slightly corrupt your file by appending to the end of an existing line`
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`16:55.10`	`asg`	`armadilo: if you were will to spend the time, sure.`
`16:55.15`	`aurax`	`hehehe`
`16:55.33`	`stew`	`md5sum: did you actually go out of your way to install the program from source into /usr instead of the usual /usr/local/`
`16:55.39`	`aurax`	`asg: and what makes you think that they will understand !tell?`
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`16:55.58`	`asg`	`aurax: 12:59 -!- omarc [n=omarrcor@201.245.92.5] has left #debian [] (pretty good indicator)`
`16:56.20`	`md5sum`	`stew: I installed rezound from source and when run it just hangs, so I downloaded an older deb from p.d.o and installed it, but I don't think it overwrote :)`
`16:56.22`	`md5sum`	`does anyone know a good audio editor with mp3 support that uses alsa but does not require jack?`
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`16:56.46`	`aurax`	`hehe`
`16:56.53`	`rohal`	`nvz: then i think it should be automatically done during installation......:)`
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`16:57.14`	`stew`	`md5sum: if you installed in /usr/local/ the debian packge won't overwrite (this is all a bad idea in the first place)`
`16:57.21`	`stew`	`md5sum: audacity is a good audio editor`
`16:57.35`	`cahoot`	`it is?`
`16:57.46`	`nvz`	`rohal: it is. the install uses the same method, and when doing so it always adds a newline when you append unless you modify it say with an editor and forget to leave the newline`
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`16:57.58`	`md5sum`	`stew: does it require jack? (I have an intel that doesn't support hardware mixing, and I can't get jack to work properly for some reason)`
`16:57.59`	`nvz`	`rohal: I just dont like to assume people have pristine configs`
`16:58.27`	`stew`	`md5sum: apt-cache depends audacity`
`16:58.32`	`md5sum`	`k`
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`16:59.04`	`Bjerrk`	`Hi. A friend of mine is trying to install Linux but it asks for which driver/module to use with his ULI PCI fast ethernet controller... Do you guy's know which to choose?`
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`16:59.24`	`rohal`	`nvz:i havnt seen that modconf thing in anyother distro....but it definitely making the task more user friendly...`
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`17:01.10`	`nvz`	`rohal: most distros including debian sarge use discover and hotplug which detect hardware and load modules. I dont like them they tend to be wrong about what to load or load too many different drivers for the same thing sometimes`
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`17:01.52`	`nvz`	`rohal: sarge installs discover standard in the install AFAIK. I always remove it`
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`17:02.09`	`md5sum`	`stew: it doesn't require jack, but I believe it uses oss, and when starting up it says it can't detect an audio i/o layer, and in preferences, there are no audio devices displayed :(`
`17:02.23`	`stew`	`md5sum: i use it with alsa`
`17:02.24`	`rohal`	`nvz: i am just a newbie....everything that works is fine.....:)`
`17:02.31`	`BucWheat`	`hrmm... i need to give a regular user permissions to add/delete/modify printers via cups web interface. where would i do this in cupsd.conf?`
`17:02.35`	`syntaxx`	`when i recompile a new kernel do i need to reinstall my nvidia driver? or it will work just fine?`
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`17:03.14`	`asg`	`BucWheat: search in the file for 'AuthType'. The comments contain instructions.`
`17:03.21`	`BucWheat`	`asg k`
`17:03.22`	`md5sum`	`stew: I did an apt-cache search audacity and all it found was the main program, I couldn't find any plugins to use it with alsa... perhaps it doesn't need one, but there is nothing in the config file about audio output method, and no devices are detected`
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`17:04.22`	`rohal`	`how to add startx to default runl level?`
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`17:04.52`	`asg`	`rohal: /msg dpkg dm`
`17:05.40`	`cahoot`	`md5sum: you want GUI?`
`17:05.44`	`syntaxx`	`when i recompile a new kernel do i need to reinstall my nvidia driver? or it will work just fine?`
`17:05.49`	`stew`	`md5sum: you may need to load alsa's oss compatibility module`
`17:05.56`	`rohal`	`asg: please tell me one thing before i go ahead....what does this /msg means...this is my first day in debian.....:)`
`17:06.01`	`md5sum`	`cahoot: yes... I think it's kind of overbearing to edit audio in console lol`
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`17:06.27`	`md5sum`	`stew: I have it built into the kernel... it doesn't have any kind of config file requirements does it?`
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`17:06.55`	`rohal`	`asg: sorry got it`
`17:06.57`	`stew`	`md5sum: no, all i've ever done is install it run it and start using it`
`17:07.03`	`md5sum`	`hmmmm`
`17:07.26`	`BucWheat`	`asg i'm looking at the comments now and i see where it says AuthType Basic and AuthClass User`
`17:07.34`	`BucWheat`	`asg do i replace user with user name?`
`17:07.40`	`md5sum`	`what is the command to list all processes using a device?`
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`17:08.01`	`md5sum`	`stew: alsa is /dev/dsp right ?`
`17:08.02`	`stew`	`md5sum: if its not finding /dev/dsp then you don't have snd_pcm_oss loaded afaik`
`17:08.06`	`stew`	`md5sum: no that is oss`
`17:08.13`	`md5sum`	`okay`
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`17:08.34`	`stew`	`md5sum: alsa is /dev/snd ; but if you have alsa's snd_pcm_oss loaded it will use /dev/dsp`
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`17:10.17`	`asg`	`BucWheat: I've never done it myself, so I don't know offhand. (try http://cups.org/documentation.php)`
`17:10.37`	`md5sum`	`stew: in my kernel config I have "<> Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, <> OSS Mixer API, <*> OSS PCM (digital audio) API"`
`17:10.48`	`BucWheat`	`k`
`17:11.09`	`md5sum`	`that should be all, right?`
`17:11.25`	`md5sum`	`or maybe /dev/dsp is locked by another process?`
`17:11.48`	`md5sum`	`no, cuz 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp' works`
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`17:12.36`	`hakuna-matata`	`md5sum: whats that for? 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp ' ??`
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`17:13.18`	`md5sum`	`hakuna-matata: test sound with random white noise`
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`17:14.07`	`hakuna-matata`	`ic`
`17:14.34`	`md5sum`	`is there a need for an /etc/asound.conf if the support is built into the kernel?`
`17:14.54`	`md5sum`	`nm, I'll ask in #alsa :)`
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`17:14.56`	`asdfg`	`hi`
`17:15.31`	`MrBallZ`	`I have a problem, when login into KDE, Xsession: warning: unable to write to /tmp; X session may exit with an error ...... what could it be, because if i go to console login, I do can see /tmp ...`
`17:15.42`	`asg`	`MrBallZ: ls -l /tmp`
`17:15.47`	`asg`	`MrBallZ: paste the output`
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`17:16.18`	`MrBallZ`	`it says " total 4 " and only one file atop.d`
`17:16.27`	`asg`	`MrBallZ: erm sorry, ls -ld /tmp`
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`17:16.57`	`vekpos`	`hello! how can i change the font size in nautilus? i updated gnome and now its smaller than before`
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`17:17.29`	`vekpos`	`i just want to change the font size in nautilus, but not in other applications or on the desktop`
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`17:17.39`	`asg`	`vekpos: try #gnome on irc.gnome.org`
`17:17.49`	`vekpos`	`i already tried it, no answer...`
`17:17.58`	`Bjerrk`	`Hi. A friend of mine is trying to install Linux but it asks for which driver/module to use with his ULI PCI fast ethernet controller... Do you guy's know which to choose?`
`17:18.13`	`vekpos`	`oh, in irc.gnome.org i didnt tried :)`
`17:18.24`	`asg`	`Bjerrk: paste the specs for the card in google and put the keyword 'linux' at the end.`
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`17:18.41`	`asg`	`Bjerrk: if you can get the output of lscpi -v, that would also help narrow down the chipset`
`17:18.54`	`asg`	`s/lscpi/lspci/`
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`17:19.24`	`asg`	`MrBallZ: ls -ld /tmp`
`17:19.28`	`md5sum`	`Bjerrk: actually, looking at http://www.google.com/linux would be better, probably`
`17:19.40`	`md5sum`	`I love google linux :)`
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`17:20.47`	`fbi`	`why don't you marry it then?`
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`17:21.00`	`Bjerrk`	`asg: it says: /bin/sh: lspci: no such command`
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`17:21.43`	`asg`	`Bjerrk: ah, well, try google then.`
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`17:22.14`	`MrBallZ`	`asg: drwxrwxrwt 6 root root 4096 2005-10-18 10:19 /tmp`
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`17:22.48`	`asg`	`MrBallZ: that should be fine then. It says it can't write to /tmp?`
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`17:23.09`	`MrBallZ`	`asg: yes ... =(`
`17:23.21`	`asg`	`MrBallZ: can you manually? touch /tmp/foo`
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`17:23.46`	`MrBallZ`	`asg: yes , it does create the file ...`
`17:23.49`	`MrBallZ`	`=S`
`17:23.54`	`asg`	`MrBallZ: as root and as a regular user?`
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`17:24.05`	`MrBallZ`	`hold on ...`
`17:24.30`	`MrBallZ`	`asg: yes also as regular user`
`17:24.40`	`MrBallZ`	`=( =_ _ _ (`
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`17:24.52`	`asg`	`MrBallZ: hmmmm, odd. You might ask the #debian-kde folks if they've ever seen that error and what the cause was.`
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`17:25.20`	`fbi`	`$5000 for a laptop`
`17:25.22`	`fbi`	`dell is on crack`
`17:25.29`	`asg`	`fbi: Sun used to sell one for $10k`
`17:25.32`	`grendal_prime`	`fuck`
`17:25.33`	`fbi`	`really`
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`17:25.53`	`abrotman`	`asg: wasn't that Tadpole ?`
`17:25.53`	`grendal_prime`	`what is up with flash...it seems to me that format is getting complicated bummer`
`17:25.54`	`asg`	`fbi: yes, for demoing servers. The problem is, all the Sun people I ever met ran Windows on Toshibas`
`17:26.01`	`fbi`	`well, i just compared the box i am currently building to dell's closest model, and it's $1000 more than what i paid for all my parts`
`17:26.03`	`asg`	`abrotman: I can't remember now, this was some years back.`
`17:26.04`	`Akbar`	`I just setup fglrx but fglrxinfo is only showing ATI as root or sudo`
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`17:26.25`	`abrotman`	`fbi: asg: http://www.tadpolecomputer.com/html/products/mobile/`
`17:26.26`	`Akbar`	`is it a problem with permissions?`
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`17:27.02`	`asg`	`abrotman: sweet. This was a direct Sun Product, not a reseller.`
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`17:27.14`	`abrotman`	`asg: i didn't think sun ever sold a direct laptop .. oh well`
`17:27.23`	`abrotman`	`asg: unless you mean the Luggable they sold`
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`17:27.39`	`asg`	`abrotman: it was pretty large but not luggable in the Kaypro sense`
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`17:27.51`	`asg`	`abrotman: I didn't know there were sparc laptops. Thanks for the link; very interesting.`
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`17:28.13`	`abrotman`	`asg: they were large IIRC .. certainly not a 'laptop'`
`17:28.33`	`jshriver`	`Greetings... how do you setup a printer that's on a network with Linux?`
`17:28.40`	`fbi`	`looks like i'm gonna have to run testing on this new box`
`17:28.40`	`jshriver`	`I have the IP and printer model.`
`17:28.50`	`fbi`	`stable's alsa does not have the driver for the soundcard i just bought`
`17:29.03`	`jshriver`	`I'm not 100% if it's setup via Samba, or if it has a direct printserver.`
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`17:29.21`	`fbi`	`can i just install alsa from testing on sarge or is that gonna be a bad idea`
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`17:30.16`	`abrotman`	`fbi: afaik .. alsa is in the kernel in 2.6`
`17:30.31`	`brlancer`	`any reason I can't share APT cache between multiple architectures?`
`17:30.39`	`fbi`	`abrotman: yeah, but according to the alsa page, stable's alsa version doesn't have the driver for my new card`
`17:30.43`	`newbie_`	`I'm concerned about how my personal web server is being used. Is there a good way to monitor SSH/SFTP and WEB traffic? Running debian sarge, apache2 and ssh..`
`17:30.45`	`fbi`	`testing's alsa version does however`
`17:30.53`	`abrotman`	`fbi: so get a kernel from etch ?`
`17:31.02`	`abrotman`	`since i think they go together ?`
`17:31.03`	`asg`	`brlancer: you mean /var/cache/apt?`
`17:31.08`	`fbi`	`abrotman: and run that on sarge?`
`17:31.16`	`brlancer`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:31.24`	`asg`	`brlancer: the debs are arch specific`
`17:31.25`	`fbi`	`i want to avoid using etch if at all possible`
`17:31.29`	`abrotman`	`fbi: sure .. what's the worst that happens :)`
`17:31.30`	`syntaxx`	`cd /usr/src/linux-2.6.8 is kernel-headers-2.6.8-2? because i cant seem to find /usr/src/linux-2.6.8 in that directory`
`17:31.38`	`abrotman`	`fbi: dunno .. i went to arch last week .. mostly fine`
`17:31.55`	`abrotman`	`(damn mini-commander is weird ... and the udev fuckery .. but otherwise ok)`
`17:31.57`	`fbi`	`alright i'll try that before upgrading the entire system`
`17:31.59`	`asg`	`brlancer: some packages are arch-agnostic but most are specific.`
`17:32.02`	`brlancer`	`asg: yes, but there shouldn't be a problem putting them int he same dir`
`17:32.23`	`brlancer`	`I'm not keen on making a mirror-type, so I'd like to keep a single NFS mount available for all my systems`
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`17:33.22`	`brlancer`	`and I didn't see anything in the archive dir that should conflict and I couldn't find any articles about, but I figured I'd ask before I dorked something`
`17:33.24`	`rafx`	`j #lighttpd`
`17:33.27`	`rafx`	`oops`
`17:33.33`	`asg`	`brlancer: try it and see on a test box.`
`17:33.34`	`syntaxx`	`cd /usr/src/linux-2.6.8 is kernel-headers-2.6.8-2? because i cant seem to find /usr/src/linux-2.6.8 in that directory`
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`17:34.21`	`newbie_`	`I'm concerned about how my personal web server is being used. Is there a good way to monitor SSH/SFTP and WEB traffic? Running debian sarge, apache2 and ssh..`
`17:34.58`	`rafx`	`newbie_: look at the log files`
`17:35.21`	`newbie_`	`rafx: where do ssh logs live?`
`17:35.29`	`rafx`	`newbie_: if you want a nice front-end to the web logs, try this - http://awstats.sourceforge.net/`
`17:35.41`	`newbie_`	`cool.. will do!`
`17:35.43`	`pureone`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:35.47`	`abrotman`	`!info awstats`
`17:35.48`	`dpkg`	`awstats: (powerful and featureful web server log analyzer), section web, is optional. Version: 6.4-2 (sid), Packaged size: 711 kB, Installed size: 4104 kB`
`17:35.54`	`stew`	`syntaxx: what are you trying to do? neither /usr/src/linux-2.6.8 nor kenrel-headers-2.6.8-2 are directories that would have been created by debian`
`17:36.00`	`abrotman`	`rafx: no point in screwing up your stystem .. use the package`
`17:36.06`	`wm3t`	`newbie: if you install logwatch, it will send an email with details on ssh that is quite readable`
`17:36.47`	`newbie_`	`wm3t: logwatch? can I just apt-get or is there a lottta manual config?`
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`17:36.58`	`Aronofsky`	`hi`
`17:36.59`	`syntaxx`	`stew, trying the bootsplash`
`17:37.00`	`Beik`	`brlancer: if several of your computers are trying to save some new package to /var/cache/apt/archives concurrently (mayby cron triggered), you may get problems.`
`17:37.09`	`wm3t`	`newbie_: i think you can apt it`
`17:37.27`	`Aronofsky`	`im looking for a poker hold'em games on linux , does anyone know some ?`
`17:37.29`	`syntaxx`	`stew, i just /msg dpkg bootsplash and he gave a link which contains .pdf though`
`17:37.33`	`wm3t`	`it shows failed logins w/ ip username used etc. for ssh`
`17:38.05`	`saik0`	`What would a good intra-office messaging protocol be, accoring to the KISS priciple. (Needs windows and linux clients). Anything good and simpler than jabber?`
`17:38.22`	`abrotman`	`saik0: jabber is about it`
`17:38.25`	`stew`	`syntaxx: so you are trying to patch your kernel?`
`17:38.31`	`abrotman`	`saik0: there are others .. but jabber is probably the most featureful`
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`17:38.52`	`rafx`	`newbie_: if you're new at Linux, and running ssh, apache2, etc. then you really should: 1. apt-get install bastille 2. apt-get install libapache2-mod-security`
`17:39.02`	`abrotman`	`!popup saik0`
`17:39.02`	`syntaxx`	`stew, yeah the stock kernel is it possible? or i should need a custom kernel?`
`17:39.17`	`abrotman`	`saik0: you could try .. uhm .. the winpopup stuff`
`17:39.20`	`stew`	`syntaxx: a custom kenrel, what does "uname -r" say?`
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`17:39.27`	`saik0`	`popup spam?`
`17:39.42`	`syntaxx`	`stew, 2.6.8-2-286`
`17:40.08`	`syntaxx`	`stew, the stock kernel im using right now.. i just wanna knw if its possible or do i need to recompile a new kernel to mke it work`
`17:40.17`	`stew`	`syntaxx: you would need to recompile`
`17:40.18`	`rafx`	`abrotman: i agree, the sourceforge link is actually the awstats homepage (not a direct link to src download)`
`17:40.21`	`Aronofsky`	`anyone can tell me about a poker hold'em game on linux ?`
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`17:40.37`	`FliesLikeALap`	`when i partition my RAID device, /dev/md1, the partitions do not show up in /dev (should be /dev/md1p1, /dev/md1p2, etc), even after reboot. Anyone know why?`
`17:41.03`	`syntaxx`	`stew, ic.. but then again i need to recompile my nvidia driver? or is it ok to use the my installed nvidia package?`
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`17:42.13`	`tuxillo`	`hi all!`
`17:42.28`	`tuxillo`	`has been issued any problem upgrading glibc from Debian SID? thanks`
`17:42.29`	`drakh`	`ooooh ntop is eating lots of ram`
`17:42.35`	`Beik`	`as far as I know`
`17:42.44`	`newbie_`	`once I install logwatch, where can I configure it to monitor just http/ssh?`
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`17:42.56`	`Nosf3rat1`	`tuxillo, did you check the BTS?`
`17:43.00`	`syntaxx`	`stew, because im downloading 2.6.13 in kernel.org which bootsplash.de has a patch for it`
`17:43.05`	`tuxillo`	`Nosf3rat1: yep :)`
`17:43.10`	`syphox`	`heya.. i need to load jfs fs support... how do i load it? it's not loaded by my kernel when the system is booted`
`17:43.28`	`stew`	`syntaxx: if you move to 2.6.13 you would, without a doubt need to recomile your nvidia driver`
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`17:43.54`	`syphox`	`i'm on 2.6.12.5 kernel`
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`17:44.30`	`stew`	`syntaxx: modprobe jfs`
`17:44.35`	`syntaxx`	`stew, so ill follow again the nvidia-howto on dpkg?`
`17:44.46`	`stew`	`syntaxx: yes, and /msg dpkg kp`
`17:44.57`	`Nosferatu_`	`after upgrading yesterday evening: critical error - immediate abort at login, anyone also this problem?`
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`17:45.21`	`stew`	`Nosferatu_: /msg dpkg bts`
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`17:45.22`	`Nosferatu_`	`pretty annoying`
`17:45.25`	`niooi`	`hello`
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`17:45.50`	`kl`	`slt all`
`17:46.01`	`syntaxx`	`stew, ok so download the 2.6.13 kernel in kernel.org then kp then nvidia-howto?`
`17:46.06`	`Beik`	`FliesLikeALap: As far as i know /dev/mdX are partition-like. otherwise, nobody would be able to mount these devices.`
`17:46.07`	`rafx`	`anyone know of websites that migrated from Debian to Ubunto for Servers and then back to Debian?`
`17:46.19`	`niooi`	`I'm trying to use gnome-cups-add to add a printer. When I try to search for my Samba printers I get the followinf message: (gnome-cups-add:12202): WARNING : Could not list smb:// : No such file or directory`
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`17:46.29`	`Ronin`	`rafx: why on earth for?`
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`17:46.33`	`syphox`	`heya.. i need to load jfs fs support... how do i load it? it's not loaded by my kernel when the system is booted`
`17:46.50`	`niooi`	`I have smbclient install and 2 smb folders mounted on my debian unstable box`
`17:46.52`	`tdk650m`	`when I do a tar and gzip of a collection of files, I zipped file stores the directory information of all the individual files`
`17:46.54`	`stew`	`syntaxx: download, untar, patch, kp, reboot, then nvidia`
`17:46.57`	`tdk650m`	`how can I disable that feature`
`17:47.02`	`Beik`	`syphox: modconf`
`17:47.12`	`rafx`	`Ronin: just curious if people running servers ran into breakage (by being more bleeding edge) and decided to come back to debian stable`
`17:47.17`	`Nosferatu_`	`http://fabre.debian.net/ index-file is not there...`
`17:47.20`	`syntaxx`	`stew, ok thanks a lot`
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`17:47.50`	`Beik`	`syphox: or 'modulename' >> /etc/modules`
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`17:49.49`	`Aronofsky`	`got this error tryin to launch an app , any idea : java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: /usr/local/games/ddpoker2/libDDClassLoader.so: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory`
`17:50.11`	`MrBallZ`	`asg: I just noticed that my root partition is completly full 100% and I cant write to it ...`
`17:50.12`	`Beik`	`syphox: s/'modulename'/echo 'modulename'/`
`17:50.29`	`syphox`	`?`
`17:50.35`	`Seb`	`MrBallZ: how about cleaning it up then ?`
`17:50.36`	`syphox`	`i need to load jfs`
`17:50.46`	`syphox`	`i see its in the fs dir of my current kernel`
`17:50.50`	`syphox`	`it's just not loaded`
`17:50.53`	`syphox`	`and i need to load it`
`17:51.02`	`Seb`	`syphox: modprobe jfs. And don't use so many lines.`
`17:51.05`	`Beik`	`!tell syphox about msg`
`17:51.25`	`syphox`	`FATAL: Module jfs not found.`
`17:51.35`	`Seb`	`syphox: you should use a debian precompiled kernel image.`
`17:51.36`	`Aronofsky`	`anyone ?`
`17:51.42`	`stew`	`syphox: then you didn't include the jfs module when you compiled your kernel`
`17:51.53`	`Seb`	`Aronofsky: you prolly downloaded a JDK/JRE nto matching your libc version`
`17:51.57`	`stew`	`syphox: is there a good reason that you are compiling your own kenrels in the first place`
`17:52.09`	`Seb`	`stew: it's way l33t`
`17:52.19`	`syphox`	`im trying to mount an encrypted drive`
`17:52.19`	`mufa`	`hi, when I'm trying to access courier-imap-ssl I got: "DSO support routines:DLFCN_LOAD:could not load the shared library" Any idea what's wrong? Thank you`
`17:52.19`	`stew`	`so i hear`
`17:52.24`	`syphox`	`and it's jfs`
`17:52.27`	`syphox`	`but i can't mount it`
`17:52.31`	`MrBallZ`	`Seb: how can I know , what to delete or what not to delete ...`
`17:52.47`	`stew`	`syphox: did you include jfs support in your kernel?`
`17:52.51`	`Seb`	`MrBallZ: well is /home on a separate partition ? If nto, it's a good place to start`
`17:52.52`	`syphox`	`mount: unknown filesystem type 'jfs'`
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`17:53.03`	`syphox`	`it was in the kernel yes but then it rebooted`
`17:53.06`	`syphox`	`and it's not there anymore`
`17:53.13`	`Seb`	`syphox: dude you obvisouly have no business compiling your own kernel`
`17:53.24`	`Seb`	`syphox: install a debian precompiled kernel image and be done with it`
`17:53.28`	`syphox`	`no`
`17:53.35`	`syphox`	`i just need to load jfs`
`17:53.38`	`syphox`	`can i depmod ?`
`17:53.38`	`Seb`	`syphox: then foad`
`17:53.41`	`syphox`	`or something`
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`17:53.52`	`stew`	`syphox: what does "grep JFS_FS /boot/config-$(uname -r)" say?`
`17:54.00`	`Seb`	`syphox: sure. You can also ls /tmp. Or md5sum lib/*. Won't help any though.`
`17:54.04`	`syphox`	`# CONFIG_JFS_FS is not set`
`17:54.07`	`MrBallZ`	`Seb: yes my /home is another partition`
`17:54.17`	`stew`	`syphox: then you need to recompile your kernel with JFS support`
`17:54.21`	`stew`	`syphox: or use a debian kernel`
`17:54.22`	`jshriver`	`Anyone know how to add a Panasonic Printer to CUPS?`
`17:54.27`	`syphox`	`ok`
`17:54.32`	`Seb`	`MrBallZ: hmm, then du -hsx /*`
`17:54.35`	`newbie_`	`wm3t: I just installed logwatch, and entered my email address into the /etc/logwatch/conf/logwatch.conf file... how do I make it so this app runs on reboot, and sends regular emails. Also, when does it send out emails? I'm not sure my mail is config'd?`
`17:54.52`	`Seb`	`newbie_: /usr/share/doc/logwatch`
`17:55.03`	`Seb`	`newbie_: that's where the doc for it will be on debian.`
`17:55.05`	`beardy`	`jshriver: Add the driver to the correct place.`
`17:55.11`	`jshriver`	`how?`
`17:55.19`	`jshriver`	`I have the IP and model number`
`17:55.26`	`Seb`	`jshriver: read some cups doc ?`
`17:55.26`	`jshriver`	`I tried but it's asking for a lot of stuff I have no idea about..`
`17:55.28`	`jshriver`	`ipp? URI?`
`17:55.29`	`wm3t`	`newbie: set it up as a cron. if you want to test it, in the term, as root type logwatch.`
`17:55.44`	`MrBallZ`	`Seb: what is " du " for ???`
`17:55.50`	`Seb`	`MrBallZ: man du`
`17:55.55`	`jshriver`	`it shouldn't be that difficult just to add a printer, takes like 15 seconds on Windows...`
`17:56.05`	`Seb`	`MrBallZ: this is the sort of question that have a tendency to piss off people trying to help you out.`
`17:56.19`	`Seb`	`jshriver: it's not difficult. Read the doc for it.`
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`17:56.35`	`stew`	`printing is so 20th century`
`17:56.38`	`Seb`	`it is`
`17:56.45`	`MrBallZ`	`Seb +)`
`17:56.47`	`jshriver`	`hrm... have cup up and runnin will check the docs again`
`17:56.49`	`MrBallZ`	`=)`
`17:56.59`	`beardy`	`jshriver: By copying the driver files to somewhere under /usr/share/cups, or /etc/cups. 'man cups' /usr/share/doc/cups, linuxprinting.org (?), google.`
`17:57.03`	`Seb`	`noobs whining about how simple shit is in windows seems to defy time, unfortunately`
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`17:57.18`	`jshriver`	`driver? why would it need a driver for a network printer`
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`17:57.35`	`beardy`	`jshriver: Just add it then, if it doesn't need a driver.`
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`17:57.45`	`Seb`	`jshriver: heard about http://locahost:631 >`
`17:57.46`	`Seb`	`?`
`17:57.48`	`jshriver`	`confused I dont see anything in the cupsd manpage`
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`17:58.02`	`jshriver`	`yeah.. that's what I'm using to add the printer.. but it's asking for a lot mroe info`
`17:58.14`	`beardy`	`jshriver: Like what?`
`17:58.18`	`jshriver`	`like Make of printer, but doesnt offer Panasonic.. just raw, Zebra etc`
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`17:58.31`	`beardy`	`jshriver: Then a driver is probably needed.`
`17:58.37`	`newbie_`	`wm3t: how do I make logwatch a cron?`
`17:58.41`	`calr0x`	`I have a server (no X) yet apt wants to install X and various other X-type apps. How can I find out whats depending on X so that Im not prompted to install X?`
`17:58.42`	`jshriver`	`hrm... kernel driver or cups driver?`
`17:58.45`	`Seb`	`newbie_: man 5 crontab`
`17:58.51`	`jshriver`	`driver isn't listed in the man page`
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`17:58.56`	`asg`	`MrBallZ: did you clear off some space on your / partition?`
`17:58.58`	`Seb`	`calr0x: apt-cache show thepackager`
`17:59.18`	`Seb`	`jshriver: a cups driver.`
`17:59.32`	`calr0x`	`Seb: thepackager?`
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`17:59.35`	`jshriver`	`ok googling away.. :) bbiab`
`17:59.38`	`saik0`	`how would i find if a package was built with a certain option?`
`17:59.40`	`Seb`	`calr0x: do that for every package you want to install and figure out which one depends on x`
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`17:59.52`	`stew`	`saik0: /msg dpkg debian/rules ; /msg dpkg source`
`17:59.56`	`Seb`	`saik0: apt-get source thepackage`
`18:00.01`	`MrBallZ`	`asg: that's what im trying to figure out right now ... how big should /proc be ??? around 700MB ???`
`18:00.02`	`Seb`	`saik0: and then what stew said`
`18:00.16`	`Seb`	`MrBallZ: don't touch /proc ever. I'ts a virtual FS anyway.`
`18:00.17`	`stew`	`saik0: what package? what option? often you can tell by looking at apt-cache depends packagename`
`18:00.28`	`beardy`	`newbie_: What Seb said. You can borrow my example crontab if you want, http://ln-s.net/8LR`
`18:00.32`	`asg`	`MrBallZ: /proc is a kernel construction and irrelevant.`
`18:00.37`	`asg`	`MrBallZ: first, do apt-get clean`
`18:00.39`	`calr0x`	`Seb: you may be confused. I havent added anything. Literally i updated/dist-upgraded and now it wants X.`
`18:00.39`	`jshriver`	`oh well, guess I'm SOL now panasonic driver`
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`18:00.47`	`beardy`	`jshriver: cups driver`
`18:00.48`	`saik0`	`stew, squid, with the --enable-ssl option`
`18:01.03`	`Seb`	`calr0x: well you dist-upgraded, and that's that`
`18:01.09`	`calr0x`	`Seb: ?`
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`18:01.11`	`adi_`	`is there some english native to give me a hand with english :p`
`18:01.12`	`Seb`	`calr0x: that's what dist-upgrading do, installing new stuff`
`18:01.15`	`adi_`	`please?`
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`18:01.19`	`Seb`	`s/isntalling/install/`
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`18:01.31`	`calr0x`	`Seb: right and again, how can i find out what app now needs X?`
`18:01.50`	`calr0x`	`Seb: some dep changed w/o my intervention in some way since my last dist-upgrade`
`18:01.52`	`stew`	`saik0: i dunno then apt-get source squid and look at debian/rules`
`18:01.53`	`beardy`	`adi_: When asking, especially something offtopic, you'll have more luck just asking your question.`
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`18:02.02`	`Seb`	`calr0x: list all your packages, run apt-cache show on them, figure out which ones depend on x. Again.`
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`18:02.07`	`asg`	`MrBallZ: if that doesn't help, look in /var/log (du -hs /var/log) and clear out old logs if too much space is being used.`
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`18:02.15`	`saik0`	`stew and seb: thanks`
`18:02.16`	`calr0x`	`Seb: lol what a mess`
`18:02.20`	`ivanneto`	`How can I see what package contains a given file?`
`18:02.22`	`Seb`	`calr0x: easily scripted ;)`
`18:02.22`	`calr0x`	`Seb: thx for the quasi-help`
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`18:02.32`	`stew`	`i was betting on the fact that he was going to ask about something like php4 and mysql :)`
`18:02.37`	`Seb`	`ivanneto: dpkg -S path/to/file`
`18:02.46`	`adi_`	`beardy, you are totally right. but i've lots of little things to ask and i don't want to be banned for asking offtopic questions :/`
`18:02.46`	`newbie_`	`wm3t: if I put MAILTO=[myfull@emailaddress.com], will I get it at an email account not hosted by this server? This server doesn't have any mailserver configured?`
`18:02.48`	`ivanneto`	`Seb: thanks!`
`18:02.50`	`Seb`	`ivanneto: note how you need to omit the leading slash`
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`18:02.55`	`adi_`	`so i expect to find someone to help me then flood him in pm :p`
`18:03.20`	`stew`	`Seb: you don't need to`
`18:03.24`	`Seb`	`newbie_: you'll need to be configuring your mail server if you expect this box to send mail to other domains`
`18:03.29`	`MrBallZ`	`ok, in /usr i have around 5.1GB that doesn't sound very usual right ?`
`18:03.33`	`Seb`	`stew: i've always been told it's better`
`18:03.35`	`wm3t`	`newbie: you may not get it if it tries to use itself as the outgoing mailserver.`
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`18:03.48`	`Seb`	`stew: can't remember if it's for speed reasons or something else, thouuhg ;\`
`18:04.00`	`Seb`	`MrBallZ: it does`
`18:04.04`	`jshriver`	`guess I'm SOL, cups doesnt support panasonic so it seems..`
`18:04.09`	`jshriver`	`at least they dont list any drivers for it.`
`18:04.11`	`asg`	`MrBallZ: if you installed kde, gnome, and a bunch of other stuff, it's usual`
`18:04.18`	`ivanneto`	`Seb: OK.`
`18:04.26`	`stew`	Seb: speed possibly, but i do stuff like "dpkg -S `which ls`" all the time and get results, internally i know they are indexed without the leading / but it still works fine with it
`18:04.27`	`newbie_`	`Seb/wm3t: .. oh boy.. can someone show me how to configure this mail server to send mail outside of the domain?`
`18:04.27`	`Seb`	`MrBallZ: try installing deborphan, and running it. Also, you might consider removing packages. I mean, maybe you / partition is just too damn small.`
`18:04.28`	`asg`	`MrBallZ: also, if you have a lot of kernel source around, you'll see large /usr partitions`
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`18:04.47`	`Seb`	`newbie_: dpkg-reconfigure exim`
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`18:04.55`	`beardy`	`jshriver: Give us the exact model please.`
`18:05.08`	`newbie_`	`Seb: okay, thanks.`
`18:05.10`	`outlaw84`	`http://www.elektrostore.se/ <-- they have stolen the offical debian logon`
`18:05.10`	`jshriver`	`Panasonic FP-D4550`
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`18:05.13`	`Seb`	`stew: k`
`18:05.14`	`asg`	`Seb: eximconfig for v3`
`18:05.28`	`Seb`	`stew: maybe this used to be a dpkg bug a long time ago, and it's been fixed.`
`18:05.30`	`Zugschlus`	`outlaw84: tell news`
`18:05.39`	`outlaw84`	`?`
`18:05.48`	`stew`	`outlaw84: the debian logo is just some stock swirl tool in illistrator or something`
`18:05.52`	`Seb`	`asg: dpkg-reconfigure exim woukldn't work in all cases ?`
`18:05.52`	`newbie_`	Seb: Package `exim' is not installed and no info is available.
`18:05.57`	`stew`	`Seb: oh, with the dpkg bot i think you might need to omit the /`
`18:05.58`	`jshriver`	`I need to check with the admin, I think it's on a samba share .. because the connector to the machine is a regular parallel cable and not a cat5 one`
`18:06.06`	`Seb`	`stew: nah I meant with the app`
`18:06.12`	`Zugschlus`	`outlaw84: that trademark stuff is months old, the legal people are already taking care of that`
`18:06.15`	`jshriver`	`btw this is a printer, copier machine not a regular printer`
`18:06.17`	`wm3t`	`newbie: you can add a file in cron.daily that contains #/bin/sh and another line with /usr/bin/logwatch for a cron entry`
`18:06.20`	`asg`	`Seb: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config works for >= sarge with exim4. eximconfig for exim3`
`18:06.28`	`Seb`	`asg: thx for the tip`
`18:06.30`	`MrBallZ`	`Seb: ok, deborphan gave me like 6 lines what do i do with those ?`
`18:06.32`	`Seb`	`newbie_: what asg said`
`18:06.39`	`Seb`	`MrBallZ: you cna safely remove those`
`18:06.49`	`outlaw84`	`Zugschlus: so that particular case is know and being taken care of?`
`18:06.50`	`adi_`	`is there a testing version available in netinst ?`
`18:06.53`	`Zugschlus`	`outlaw84: yes`
`18:07.09`	`Seb`	`adi_: install stable, then dist-upgrade to testing,. This is the supported method of doing it.`
`18:07.29`	`newbie_`	`asg/Seb/wm3t: gonna try that exim4 thing.. thanks.`
`18:07.31`	`Daffy-PKF`	`how can i stop a connection? i mean, i have lot of stuffs said by "netstat-nat", and i'd like to stop some of them`
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`18:07.41`	`dob1`	`hi`
`18:07.41`	`outlaw84`	`Zugschlus: god then`
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`18:07.45`	`Seb`	`Daffy-PKF: i don't think the linux kernel can drop tcp connections`
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`18:08.01`	`tdk650m`	`how can I disable gzip to exclude directory information while packing some files`
`18:08.01`	`beardy`	`jshriver: No, doesn't seem like your printer has a cups driver. You could try some generic driver perhaps.`
`18:08.02`	`wm3t`	`newbie: good luck w/ exim4. not familar with it myself`
`18:08.15`	`jshriver`	`will play around with it...`
`18:08.19`	`dob1`	`i have problem to mount an xfs partition using some options like umask, uid, gid , why? it is not possible to mount an xfs partition with a determinated uid,gid?`
`18:08.23`	`Daffy-PKF`	`Seb> that mean i can't stop a connection i don't like?`
`18:08.29`	`beardy`	`jshriver: See if #cups can help you further.`
`18:08.35`	`Seb`	`Daffy-PKF: i don't think so`
`18:08.47`	`jshriver`	`I thought printing was generally a standardized thing.. shrug appreciate all your help though :) thanks`
`18:08.49`	`Daffy-PKF`	`arf`
`18:08.55`	`Seb`	`Daffy-PKF: what connection are we talking about ?`
`18:08.55`	`petemc`	`ip route add prohibit ip works..`
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`18:09.08`	`Seb`	`Daffy-PKF: i mean, if it's a connection to a daemon you're running, stop it`
`18:09.22`	`Seb`	`Daffy-PKF: if it's a connection with you as a client, kill the correspondign program`
`18:09.26`	`jshriver`	`hrm in general what is the samba URI for a printer? it's giving me a URI name error`
`18:09.33`	`jshriver`	`was using samba://192.168.2.5`
`18:09.34`	`beardy`	`jshriver: Like everything else, manufacturers can't use standards and make anything easy and good/robust.`
`18:09.37`	`Seb`	`petemc: that'd deny everything for this ip though`
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`18:09.43`	`petemc`	`Seb: right`
`18:09.44`	`Seb`	`petemc: seems like a bit too much`
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`18:09.48`	`jshriver`	`beardy, aye`
`18:09.52`	`petemc`	`depends what you want`
`18:09.56`	`outlaw84`	`Zugschlus: do you have a link for that info? I cant find it on debian.org`
`18:09.59`	`newbie_`	`there are a bunch of config options for exim-4:`
`18:09.59`	`newbie_`	`internet site; mail is sent and received directly using SMTP`
`18:09.59`	`newbie_`	`mail sent by smarthost; received via SMTP or fetchmail`
`18:09.59`	`newbie_`	`mail sent by smarthost; no local mail`
`18:09.59`	`newbie_`	`local delivery only; not on a network`
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`18:10.10`	`Seb`	`petemc: yeah, agreed. BUt I'd say this is not what Daffy-PKF wants ;)`
`18:10.18`	`newbie_`	`which one should I choose?`
`18:10.24`	`Seb`	`newbie_: read an exim howto`
`18:10.27`	`Zugschlus`	`newbie_: these are the same that eximconfig asked you when you installed exim3. Choose the one appropriate for your system`
`18:10.27`	`asg`	`newbie_: that depends on your situation`
`18:10.34`	`Daffy-PKF`	`Seb> well, no, i's a nated connection, in fact amule connection from a computer on the local network, i can't stop amule, but'i stopped its connections with iptables, and i'd like to terminate the ones that are already established`
`18:10.40`	`asg`	`newbie_: have a look at the mail tutorial (/msg dpkg mail tutorial) first`
`18:10.48`	`Seb`	`Daffy-PKF: you cna't do that`
`18:10.51`	`newbie_`	`asg: can I just send it to a remote mail server?`
`18:11.06`	`Daffy-PKF`	`arf`
`18:11.08`	`Seb`	`Daffy-PKF: but you're more than welcome to submit a patch to the linux kernel ;)`
`18:11.21`	`Seb`	`Daffy-PKF: or yopu switch to a more serious OS for your router ;)`
`18:11.24`	`Seb`	`you can`
`18:11.28`	`asg`	`newbie_: do you use your isp's smarthost for mail relay?`
`18:11.31`	`wm3t`	`Daffy-PKF how are you blocking it with iptables.`
`18:11.36`	`stew`	`Daffy-PKF: wait, you have stopped new connections and you want to kill the existing?`
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`18:11.46`	`Daffy-PKF`	`stew> yes`
`18:11.56`	`Seb`	`Daffy-PKF: he wants to terminate them more quickly, and not wait ages in FIN_WAIT`
`18:11.59`	`newbie_`	`asg: no, I don't know what that means.`
`18:12.01`	`Seb`	`which is not possible afaik`
`18:12.09`	`Seb`	`stew, I meant`
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`18:12.18`	`stew`	`Daffy-PKF: afaik you can use -mstate=ESTABLISHED in iptables`
`18:12.28`	`stew`	`or someting similar`
`18:12.38`	`Daffy-PKF`	`ho, good idea, i'll take a look at it`
`18:12.40`	`Seb`	`i don't think this will kill any existing connection though`
`18:12.58`	`asg`	`newbie_: well, when mail is sent from your machine does it need to be routed directly to upstream smtp servers (if your ISP allows it) or does it need to be sent to your ISP's mail server first. Also, how do you get mail? Do you contact your ISP's pop or imap server?`
`18:13.57`	`newbie_`	`asg: I get mail on a windows machine thru smtp server,not this linux box. But I know the webpages on this webserver can generate emails and send them.`
`18:14.09`	`*** mode/#debian [-b !@gw1.sseriga.edu.lv] by debhelper`
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`18:14.38`	`Seb`	`newbie_: then this webserver already has an MTA configured somehow`
`18:14.40`	`stew`	`Daffy-PKF: err make that --state ESTABLISHED`
`18:15.07`	`newbie_`	`Seb: It uses phpmailer... does that help?`
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`18:15.14`	`Seb`	`newbie_: doesn't :>`
`18:15.29`	`Seb`	`newbie_: netstat -pant \| grep 25`
`18:15.39`	`newbie_`	`Seb: which uses apache mail() cmd?`
`18:15.40`	`stew`	`Daffy-PKF: though you might already have a --state ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT rule higher up in the chain, if you do, you better put this one above that one`
`18:15.42`	ryan`	`can anyone think of a reason root's .bash_history file might have gotten truncated to 0 length?`
`18:15.52`	`Seb`	`newbie_: apache doesn't have a mail() command`
`18:15.54`	ryan`	`besides my box being 0wned.`
`18:15.56`	`Daffy-PKF`	`steigweis> thanks`
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`18:16.10`	`newbie_`	`Seb: tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 813/exim4`
`18:16.15`	`Seb`	ryan`: you've been owned ? ;)
`18:16.20`	`Seb`	`newbie_: maybe it's already configured ?`
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`18:16.35`	`Seb`	`newbie_: are you the sole admin of this box ?`
`18:16.42`	`MrBallZ`	`Seb: how do i remove those in deborph, deborphan -r`
`18:16.49`	`Seb`	`MrBallZ: apt-get remove`
`18:16.56`	`newbie_`	`Seb: well I'm in the process of configuring it.. but it's probably configured wrong. Yea.. Me and my brother.`
`18:17.02`	`Zugschlus`	`MrBallZ: use debfoster`
`18:17.02`	ryan`	`Seb: I don't think so, I keep all the software on my box up to daye.`
`18:17.06`	`Seb`	`MrBallZ: get familiar with man, rather than make up options to commands`
`18:17.06`	`asg`	ryan`: do you have HISTSIZE=0 set in your environment? did you run history -c in the recent past?
`18:17.18`	ryan`	`asg, no`
`18:17.28`	`Seb`	ryan`: do other people than you use this root account ?
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`18:17.41`	ryan`	`no, this is my personal server`
`18:17.54`	`Seb`	ryan`: hrm, doesn't mean shit. Key leak, passwd leak, etc... TOns of ways to get owned even with uptodate sotfware
`18:18.14`	`Seb`	ryan`: do you have users ?
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`18:18.26`	`Seb`	ryan`: i mean, do you hand out user accounts ?
`18:18.28`	`asg`	ryan`: make sure root's shell is in fact bash and not tcsh or zsh that doesn't use .bash_history
`18:18.36`	`newbie_`	`Seb: "internet site;" option .. would this act as a webpage sending mail then?`
`18:18.36`	ryan`	`Seb: I am the only user`
`18:18.42`	ryan`	`root's shell is bash`
`18:18.59`	`Seb`	ryan`: and your .bash_history used to be populated ?
`18:18.59`	ryan`	`seb: I have one friends with an FTP only account`
`18:19.04`	`Seb`	`niiiiiiiiiiice`
`18:19.09`	ryan`	`seb, yes.`
`18:19.11`	`beardy`	ryan`: And you haven't touched /root/.bash_history yourself?
`18:19.17`	ryan`	`nope.`
`18:19.18`	`Seb`	`well this does smell bad`
`18:19.23`	`Seb`	`almsot as much as "ftp only account"`
`18:19.26`	`asg`	ryan`: then start looking in /var/log for odd entries. Get a copy of chkrootkit and rkhunter. nmap the box from another on the network and compare the output with netstat
`18:19.29`	`hakuna-matata`	`anyone has link to free ebooks? for vol 2 of stevens book?`
`18:19.37`	ryan`	`I just logged in this moring, and founbd tab completion not working`
`18:19.42`	`asg`	`hakuna-matata: no, do your warezing on efnet`
`18:19.51`	`stew`	ryan`: check "last" for any odd logins
`18:20.09`	ryan`	`last is showing me logged in from my boxes hostname`
`18:20.14`	`asg`	ryan`: if you have process accounting, lastcomm is also potentially useful.
`18:20.24`	ryan`	`don't have process accounting`
`18:20.38`	ryan`	`chkrootkit comes back clean`
`18:20.49`	ryan`	`though i am not running it from a boot disk`
`18:20.54`	`Daffy-PKF`	`stew> that was a good idea, but it don't seem to work`
`18:20.58`	`asg`	ryan`: it may have been modified. Run it from a pristine copy.
`18:21.00`	`Seb`	`Daffy-PKF: told ya`
`18:21.06`	`Seb`	`Daffy-PKF: it just cannot be done on linux`
`18:21.08`	`stew`	`Daffy-PKF: it will stop the traffic but not RST the connections`
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`18:21.19`	`ecidadania18_`	`Ol� !!!`
`18:21.21`	ryan`	`hmm`
`18:21.23`	`Seb`	`!es`
`18:21.23`	`dpkg`	`Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.`
`18:21.25`	`asg`	`!br`
`18:21.25`	`dpkg`	`Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.`
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`18:21.30`	`Seb`	`heh, my bad ;)`
`18:21.32`	`ecidadania18_`	`helo`
`18:21.35`	ryan`	`I have logging in iptables of outgoing connections`
`18:21.38`	`asg`	`!tell ecidadania18_ about br`
`18:21.44`	`newbie_`	`there's an 00logwatch file in cron.daily that says "#1/bin/bash" and "#execute" and "/usr/sbin/logwatch"`
`18:22.01`	`wm3t`	`newbie: that is your cron job`
`18:22.02`	`Seb`	`newbie_: so it's croned already`
`18:22.07`	`wm3t`	`must have been configured by apt`
`18:22.13`	`Seb`	ryan`: logging to a local file ?
`18:22.17`	`newbie_`	`but it doesn't email me yet, right?`
`18:22.21`	ryan`	`kernel logging`
`18:22.26`	ryan`	`iptables -J LOG`
`18:22.30`	`Seb`	ryan`: well you already know where I'm going with this...
`18:22.42`	`Seb`	ryan`: local logging is no good when it comes to security issues
`18:22.44`	`asg`	ryan`: the logs themselves could be compromised so may not tell you anything.
`18:22.50`	`newbie_`	`Seb: how can make this email me?`
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`18:22.54`	`asg`	ryan`: does 'dmesg' produce any odd output?
`18:23.01`	`wm3t`	`newbie: run logwatch in a terminal. it will execute and send the message`
`18:23.16`	ryan`	`dmesg is clean`
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`18:23.24`	`asg`	ryan`: as in shows nothing?
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`18:23.34`	ryan`	`asg, show normal stuff`
`18:23.36`	`newbie_`	`wm3t: and how do I see the message?`
`18:23.46`	`asg`	ryan`: has the machine perhaps rebooted? What's the uptime
`18:23.51`	`ecidadania18_`	`helo`
`18:23.54`	`wm3t`	`newbie: it will send the email to the address in the conf file`
`18:23.55`	ryan`	`52 days`
`18:24.20`	ryan`	`the .bash_history was truncated at the same time cron ran`
`18:24.30`	`asg`	ryan`: you might consider a quick look at your other users' histories just in case.
`18:24.55`	`asg`	ryan`: what was cron configured to run at the time?
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`18:25.28`	`newbie_`	`wm3t: but the MAILTO address isn't on the domain because I don't think mail is config'd properly on this server.`
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`18:25.48`	`elvirolo`	`hi all`
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`18:26.23`	`wm3t`	`doesn't matter. i have my log emails sent to a gmail account.`
`18:26.23`	ryan`	`othe shell histories are clean`
`18:26.23`	`Zedd`	`how many clones are permeted?`
`18:26.23`	ryan`	`normal`
`18:26.24`	`elvirolo`	`i'm trying to configure cups ... i need to pnm2ppa (which is installed) but it doesn't appear in the list`
`18:26.37`	ryan`	`asg, the contents of cron.daily`
`18:26.38`	`newbie_`	`wm3t: THAT'S WHAT I WANT.. :) but i typed logwatch, and haven't received an email on my gmail.`
`18:26.38`	`Nosferatu_`	`can someone point me to the solution of the "critical error - immediate response" problem?`
`18:26.58`	`elvirolo`	`help anyone ?`
`18:27.10`	`Nosferatu_`	`abort i mean...`
`18:27.19`	ryan`	`asg, nothing odd in there.`
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`18:27.33`	`stew`	ryan`: check everyones crontab: awk -F: '{print $1}' < /etc/passwd \| while read a ; do echo $a----- ; crontab -u $a -l ; done
`18:27.51`	`wm3t`	`is logwatch still running?`
`18:28.07`	`widrone`	`!error`
`18:28.07`	`dpkg`	`The error is on line 89373`
`18:28.09`	ryan`	`stew, only the system crontab.`
`18:28.19`	`widrone`	`Nosferatu_: What are you trying to do?`
`18:28.42`	ryan`	`I have a full backup of this box, I'll check it for oddities later today`
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`18:29.21`	ryan`	`the same time (6:25am) my logins were disconnected`
`18:29.21`	`newbie_`	`wm3t: no.. got my prompt back.`
`18:29.28`	`samuel`	`is there any way to get the print to pdf option in xprint or cups-pdf to insert weblinks in pdf's printed from firefox/mozilla/etc ?`
`18:29.32`	ryan`	`according to last`
`18:29.43`	ryan`	`but`
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`18:29.49`	ryan`	`oh`
`18:29.56`	ryan`	`I know why these were killed`
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`18:30.07`	`abrotman`	`they were knoppix users ?`
`18:30.14`	ryan`	`i was connecting via a prxy run from xinet.d`
`18:30.25`	ryan`	`which probably had it's logs rotated`
`18:30.45`	ryan`	`that also explains the weird hostname`
`18:30.56`	`wm3t`	`newbie: do a tail of /var/log/syslog and it should give you a clue as to why it failed`
`18:31.06`	ryan`	`doesn't make sense whay that would truncate my history file, though`
`18:31.28`	`petemc`	ryan`: history gets written on logout
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`18:31.42`	ryan`	`petemc, I know`
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`18:31.50`	ryan`	`but I had several shells open`
`18:31.59`	ryan`	`as root`
`18:32.15`	`abrotman`	`ENTER!`
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`18:32.33`	`asg`	`abrotman: teh Dragon?`
`18:32.36`	`newbie_`	`wm3t: there's nothing in there about logwatch..`
`18:32.42`	`abrotman`	`aye!`
`18:33.06`	`wm3t`	`newbie: look for mail errors, like relaying denied, etc. it won't say anything about logwatch,`
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`18:33.47`	`newbie_`	`wm3t: it doesn't show any errors at all.. just a few cron.hourly lines, but no errors?`
`18:33.56`	`jorgp_laptop`	`is there a way to download a package and it all of it dependcies even if it's already installed?`
`18:33.58`	`Nosferatu_`	`i upgraded yesterday... now i get at login: "critical error - immediate abort"...`
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`18:34.04`	`Nosferatu_`	`i cannot login anymore`
`18:34.14`	`asg`	`Nosferatu_: as any user, even root?`
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`18:34.18`	`Nosferatu_`	`yes`
`18:34.23`	`asg`	`Nosferatu_: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password`
`18:34.33`	`asg`	`Nosferatu_: use that to get into the system to start investigating what happened.`
`18:34.41`	`asg`	`Nosferatu_: what Debian are you running also?`
`18:34.46`	`Nosferatu_`	`unstable`
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`18:34.49`	`Nosferatu_`	`:-)`
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`18:35.06`	`asg`	`Nosferatu_: well, use the factoid to get in and look at /var/log/auth.log`
`18:35.07`	`grendal_prime`	`ok by the way found out some really neat info on new xorg. Basically I found that by setting the Option "Composite" to "Disable" in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf well that will keep your browsers from just crashing when you hit a wesite with flash in it`
`18:35.07`	`jshriver`	`w00t was semi able to print :) just played around the settings in cups`
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`18:35.30`	`asg`	`Nosferatu_: also, see if there are any bugs in the bts for login`
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`18:35.33`	ryan`	`chkrootkit and rkhunter both show the system clean`
`18:35.36`	`jshriver`	`used the raw driver... .. but now how do I print a file from the cli? I tried lpr`
`18:35.44`	ryan`	`I'll try booting it from knoppix later`
`18:35.53`	`jor`	`Is there actually some package in Debian Stable for automatic banning of IPs based on ssh login failures or specific apache log errors?`
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`18:36.31`	`newbie_`	`wm3t: just typed "mail" and tried to send an email outside of my domain and got this error: Can't send mail: sendmail process failed with error code 1`
`18:36.32`	`asg`	`jor: sec can be used to script such daemons. The sec homepage even has a link to an article explaining how to do it.`
`18:36.37`	`SimonRaven`	`jor: no. using iptables rules though you can sorta do that. and it's safer than just automatic blocking`
`18:36.40`	`wm3t`	`newbie: sounds like you need to work some on the mail side of the box. I just installed logwatch on my laptop, and it went.`
`18:36.51`	`wm3t`	`newbie: type /etc/init.d/sendmail start`
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`18:36.53`	`SimonRaven`	`oh, didn't know about sec`
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`18:37.15`	`wm3t`	`newbie: that would explain why you can't send the message`
`18:37.17`	`asg`	`jor: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/87 (good article with lots of info)`
`18:37.21`	`wm3t`	`or you could use postfix.`
`18:37.26`	`stew`	`w3rdn4: what makes you think he replaced exim4 with sendmail?`
`18:37.29`	`stew`	`err`
`18:37.32`	`stew`	`wm3t: ^^`
`18:37.36`	ryan`	`sigh`
`18:37.47`	ryan`	`I so do not want to deal with a rooted box today`
`18:37.51`	`jshriver`	`how do you tell cups to print a file from the cli? say you want to print a text file`
`18:37.56`	ryan`	`especialy not mine`
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`18:38.01`	`newbie_`	`wm3t: -bash: /etc/init.d/sendmail: No such file or directory`
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`18:38.12`	`asg`	`jshriver: lpr or lp (provided you have the cupsys-bsd and/or cupsys-client packages installed)`
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`18:38.17`	`smacnay`	`Is there a "breezy" out there? Is that unstable?`
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`18:38.24`	`wm3t`	`stew/newbie: like i said, i don't know exim4.`
`18:38.25`	`asg`	`smacnay: no, that's ubuntu`
`18:38.26`	`stew`	`smacnay: ask #ubuntu`
`18:38.27`	`SimonRaven`	`ffs, why is LDAPS failing, and START_TLS not? FFS... keeps doing this shit...`
`18:38.27`	`asg`	`smacnay: #ubuntu`
`18:38.32`	`SimonRaven`	`</rhetorical>`
`18:38.34`	`jshriver`	`k`
`18:38.35`	`wm3t`	`but i do use postfix and sendmail`
`18:38.35`	`jshriver`	`thnx`
`18:38.39`	`jor`	`asg: thanks`
`18:38.46`	`newbie_`	`wm3t: how do I use sendmail instead?`
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`18:38.48`	`FliesLikeALap`	`can someone in here help me figure out why my raid arrays won't start/assemble at boot? I have to wait until the system is booted then do mdadm -As on my own right now :-/`
`18:38.53`	`stew`	`newbie_: you don't want to use sendmail`
`18:39.02`	`smacnay`	`ok, I didn't think that was Debian. I am not using in ubuntu.`
`18:39.07`	`newbie_`	`stew: k.. how do I config exim4?`
`18:39.15`	`stew`	`newbie_: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config`
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`18:40.09`	`SimonRaven`	`that should fix it for now (hopefully)`
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`18:40.26`	`asg`	`newbie_: it is critially important that you understand some basic email concepts (/msg dpkg mail tutorial) so you will understand when we ask you questions like 'does your ISP use a smarthost?'`
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`18:40.36`	`newbie_`	`stew: I was there, but didn't know which option to choose.. there's a bunch of them. I don't know if smarthost is allowed, and...`
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`18:40.44`	`reppel`	`hi! is there anyone using suspend to disk without software suspend? i mean, using regulare ACPI s4 state.. any help for it?`
`18:40.45`	`axelx`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`18:41.09`	`jshriver`	`asg: thansk it works now... not great but I can at least print text files`
`18:41.26`	`asg`	`reppel: Worked just peachy on my thinkpad R40. You need the correct disk partition though (google for andrew tridgell's tool for creating one.)`
`18:41.36`	`Zugschlus`	`newbie_: did you actually _READ_ what asg said?`
`18:41.37`	`asg`	`jshriver: you can use filters like mpage and apsfilter to pretty print the output`
`18:42.06`	`asg`	`jshriver: also, packages like txt2pdf and txt2ps are available to help too. It just depends on what you want.`
`18:42.16`	`newbie_`	`Zugschlus: i'm reading that tutorial now.`
`18:42.16`	`bushito`	`!freebsd`
`18:42.16`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that freebsd is NOT better than debian, or a robust UNIX-like operating system, especially good in handling network services. See http://www.freebsd.org/ Admittedly one might be more interested in using FreeBSD as a server OS rather than as a desktop workstation, because let's face it, Linux is what drives modern UNIX GUI. a channel where they talk about penises`
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`18:42.36`	`grendal_prime`	`axelx, did you try udp?`
`18:42.42`	`grendal_prime`	`pretty damn fast...`
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`18:42.58`	`grendal_prime`	`and hey....thats what NFS uses!!!`
`18:42.59`	`newbie_`	`asg: I'd like these logwatch logs sent to a different domain, like my webpages can do. WHich is the best option to use?`
`18:43.01`	`grendal_prime`	`hehehe`
`18:43.18`	`asg`	`newbie_: then the one where it says 'send all mail to internet directly'`
`18:43.20`	`axelx`	`i wanted it even faster. maybe do on mak level`
`18:43.21`	`reppel`	`asg: (i own a tp too) then i have to create the partition/hibernate file with lphdisk, then issue echo disk > /sys/power/state? i've seen also people using echo platform/firmware > someotherfile`
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`18:43.36`	`asg`	`reppel: ah, okay.`
`18:43.46`	`FliesLikeALap`	`does rcS.d get loaded before normal runlevels?`
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`18:43.54`	`newbie_`	`asg: cool.. there are a few other steps in there afterward. is there any important instructions, or should I just go with all defaults?`
`18:43.56`	`asg`	`newbie_: if the mail doesn't appear to come from the right address, then edit /etc/email-addresses to provide the rewrite`
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`18:44.10`	`asg`	`newbie_: use the defaults unless something doesn't work`
`18:44.21`	`axelx`	`grendal_prime: i don't know what do i need to customize - the ethernet card driver?`
`18:44.23`	`newbie_`	`asg: lol.. okay, thanks.`
`18:44.31`	`asg`	`newbie_: if you aren't receiving mail from other machines, make sure to have it listen only on localhost`
`18:44.44`	`reppel`	`asg: do you use echo disk > /sys/power/state? and... do you have to pass something particular to kernel? i mean, to make suspend to ram work, i have to pass acpi_sleep=s3_bios to the kernel..`
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`18:45.20`	`newbie_`	`should incoming SMTP listen addresses just be my loopback address (127.0.0.1) ? -- that's the default.`
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`18:45.24`	`asg`	`newbie_: if you want to do rfc2822 canonical rewrites, change the 'Ffrs' rewrite flags to 'hEw' in /etc/exim4/conf.d/rewrite/31_exim4-config_rewriting`
`18:45.28`	`asg`	`newbie_: yes, keep that default`
`18:45.57`	`asg`	`reppel: oh wait you said you are using acpi. I used apm on the R40 and never had an issue.`
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`18:46.18`	`elvirolo`	`hi again`
`18:46.27`	`newbie_`	`asg: .. dunno about that canonical rewrites.. what does that mean?`
`18:46.30`	`md5sum`	`hey are cpus hot-pluggable?`
`18:46.31`	`reppel`	`asg: yes acpi.. ok then totally different..`
`18:46.33`	`asg`	`newbie_: ignore it for now`
`18:46.38`	`elvirolo`	`it still doesn't find the pnm2ppa driver`
`18:46.38`	`Zugschlus`	`asg: do you really think that newbie_ knows what an rfc2822 canonical rewrite is?`
`18:46.45`	`md5sum`	`cackle`
`18:46.47`	`elvirolo`	`can anyone please help me ?`
`18:46.49`	`asg`	`reppel: yeah. I've never had a machine that worked fully with acpi`
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`18:46.56`	`reppel`	`md5sum: yes, they are hot when you unplug them`
`18:47.07`	`grendal_prime`	`axelx, ?? i know nothing about card drivers. You asked about spedding up or optomizing tcpip. the fastest protocol i know of is udp. However it does not check to see packets make it ok..think of it like a tube of russhing water. with nobody verifying the amount comming out the othher end`
`18:47.29`	`Zugschlus`	`no, dpkg, freebsd is NOT better than debian, and it is not worse. It is just different. See http://www.freebsd.org/. Admittedly one might be more interested in using FreeBSD as a server OS rather than as a desktop workstation.`
`18:47.37`	`bwlang`	`i'm trying to get x2x working how i like it... I want to control my workstation from my laptop. I can set this up if i type commands on the desktop machine but I want to run the commands from my laptop... setting DISPLAY=:0.0 is not sufficient. Anybody know how to do this?`
`18:47.38`	`reppel`	`asg: with mine, even suspend to ram works in hardware :)`
`18:47.41`	`grendal_prime`	`its a good what to move a shitload of data in a hurry`
`18:47.43`	`newbie_`	`asg: "enter a list of domains for which this machine should consider itself the final destination, apart from the local hostname" -- should I use the name of the box (default) or make it blank?`
`18:47.45`	`asg`	`reppel: ah, cool`
`18:47.48`	`reppel`	`asg: (using acpi)`
`18:47.56`	`foxofdoom`	`hello`
`18:47.57`	`grendal_prime`	`(my personal observation anyway)`
`18:48.02`	`Zugschlus`	`hm. When will I get the bot interaction right?`
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`18:48.05`	`asg`	`newbie_: take the default, you won't be accepting mail from anyone but localhost anyway`
`18:48.13`	`tdk650m`	`how do I disable the complete directory information when trying to tar a set of files`
`18:48.22`	`asg`	`Zugschlus: dpkg, no foo is`
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`18:48.35`	`tdk650m`	`would appreciate any help, tx`
`18:48.45`	`Zugschlus`	`asg: thanks, I got it right in query`
`18:48.48`	`asg`	`grendal_prime: depends on the size of the shitload`
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`18:48.52`	`xerophyte`	`with vi how can see the tabs and space because the courier-imap need only tabs is there anyway i can see them`
`18:49.02`	`newbie_`	`asg: Domains to relay mail for: (is blank by default) .. that okay?`
`18:49.21`	`asg`	`newbie_: yes keep it the default`
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`18:49.44`	`asg`	`mmmm, pubtime approacheth`
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`18:51.02`	`newbie_`	`asg: "enter the networks of local machines for which you accept to relay the mail" -- blank again by default, that ok?`
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`18:51.11`	`nir_`	`hi`
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`18:51.18`	`asg`	`newbie_: leave it, localhost will only be the one sending mail`
`18:51.49`	`foxofdoom`	`ok, I was having some problems when I was pinning a few packages, so I removed most packages from my sytem, and altered my apt-get config files not to pin. But something broke, and apt isn't working right on most packages`
`18:51.57`	`foxofdoom`	`any help?`
`18:51.58`	`asg`	`newbie_: when you are done, you can test delivery by doing 'exim4 -bt address@domain' and verify rewrites with 'exim4 -brw address@domain'`
`18:52.02`	`nir_`	`just installed debian base system (without any X/Window Manager) ...how i install the Basic X Files to run a Desktop manager.... ?`
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`18:52.13`	`asg`	`nir_: /msg dpkg set up x`
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`18:52.22`	`Zugschlus`	`nir_: just install your window manager, it will pull in the appropriate stuff for x`
`18:52.32`	`MrBallZ`	`ok, I just got rid of 1.8GB on games I had installed :P , so ... now it does work :D`
`18:52.33`	`asg`	`Zugschlus: not generally (i.e. fluxbox won't)`
`18:52.53`	`Zugschlus`	`asg: yeah, you're right. it won't install an X server`
`18:53.00`	`Zugschlus`	`nir_: ignore my advice, asg is right`
`18:53.01`	`abrotman`	`foxofdoom: define "isn't working right"`
`18:53.13`	`Zugschlus`	`<= server jock`
`18:53.13`	`newbie_`	`asg: what about "Keep number of DNS-queries minimal (Dial-on-Demand)?"`
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`18:53.27`	`ralf`	`hi`
`18:53.31`	`asg`	`newbie_: choose NO`
`18:53.33`	`ralf`	`please, have a look at this: http://ralf.pastebin.com/397833`
`18:53.37`	`newbie_`	`asg: okay`
`18:53.38`	`asg`	`newbie_: it's an internet connected server after all`
`18:53.45`	`foxofdoom`	`apt is saying something about a perl locale error, and some of the lock files on debconf apt and dpkg are sticking closed`
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`18:54.00`	`Zugschlus`	`newbie_: did you actually _READ_ the description of the question?`
`18:54.08`	`nir_`	`thanks Zugschlus asg :)))))`
`18:54.09`	`Zugschlus`	`Or do you stop reading one line after/before the input field?`
`18:55.03`	`Zugschlus`	`newbie_: the description says "In normal mode of operation Exim makes DNS-lookups at startup, when receiving or delivering message, etc. for logging purposes and to keep the number of hard-coded values in the configuration file small. If this were a host without permanent DNS-nameserver-access using Dial-on-Demand this might have the unwanted consequence that starting up exim or running the queue (even with no messages waiting) might t`
`18:55.21`	`Zugschlus`	`newbie_: I am, as exim4's package maintainer, always interested in knowing _WHAT_ people do not understand.`
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`18:55.54`	`newbie_`	`asg: ran "exim4 -bt address@domain" (with my email@address.com) and it returned my host's ip.. that's right?`
`18:55.56`	`foxofdoom`	`abrotman: If you didn't see, I wrote a message a few lines up, and forgot to highligt it for you. Sorry. In short, I'm getting a perl locale error and lock files are sticking.`
`18:56.07`	`asg`	`Zugschlus: haha, I didn't know you were.`
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`18:56.16`	`Zugschlus`	`newbie_: if you have actual improvement suggestions about how to make the exim installation process more newbie friendly, please help.`
`18:56.52`	`fevel`	`I need a package that would mount pendrives automatically`
`18:56.52`	`asg`	`Zugschlus: I'm off to the pub ;)`
`18:56.54`	`asg`	`!pubtime`
`18:56.54`	`abrotman`	`foxofdoom: what packages had you pinned?`
`18:56.54`	`dpkg`	`pubtime is, like, time for asg to go .. 3pm!, or http://jackalopejacks.com/`
`18:56.58`	`abrotman`	`!beer asg`
`18:57.03`	`Zugschlus`	`asg: cheers`
`18:57.08`	`newbie_`	`Zugschlus: .. there's just a lot of stuff I don't understand. I may definitely not even have the 'cranial capacity' for this sort of thing ... that's why I really respect you guys.`
`18:57.13`	`drakh`	`do you guys know what ports I'd have to monitor if I wanted to properly gauge bittorrent traffic using ntop`
`18:57.24`	`foxofdoom`	`abrotman: quite a few, but only those unavailiable on stable`
`18:57.34`	`newbie_`	`asg: how do I send a test email now to make sure I receive it?`
`18:57.36`	`Zugschlus`	`newbie_: frankly, you are probably better off with using Windows`
`18:57.49`	`newbie_`	`asg: do I also need to reconfigure logwatch to use exim4?`
`18:57.50`	`abrotman`	`foxofdoom: dpkg -l libc6 \| tail -1 .. what's the version ?`
`18:57.50`	`fevel`	`has anyone tested mountpy?`
`18:58.06`	`Zugschlus`	`newbie_: does exim4 depend on logwatch?`
`18:58.14`	`wm3t`	`newbie: logwatch doesn't care which mta you use`
`18:58.23`	`newbie_`	`Zugschlus: yea.. i'm a web designer, so that's what I use.`
`18:58.33`	`newbie_`	`wm3t: cool.`
`18:58.34`	`Zugschlus`	`newbie_: that explains a lot.`
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`18:58.45`	`newbie_`	`Zugschlus: lol.. true that.`
`18:58.50`	`Zugschlus`	`newbie_: why don't you hire somebody to take care of your server? Otherwise, you will get that box compromised in no time`
`18:58.53`	`foxofdoom`	`abrotman: 2.3.5-7`
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`18:59.00`	`thx1138`	`i did chmod 777 on a file and i still can't remove it. it says permission denied`
`18:59.00`	`abrotman`	`!info libc6 sarge`
`18:59.08`	`dpkg`	`libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22 (sarge), Packaged size: 4784 kB, Installed size: 15548 kB`
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`18:59.15`	`abrotman`	`well .. no more sarge for you!`
`18:59.17`	`Zugschlus`	`thx1138: _NEVER_ ever chmod 777 on _anything`
`18:59.36`	`Zugschlus`	`thx1138: but delete is an operation on the directory, not on the file.`
`18:59.37`	`abrotman`	`foxofdoom: if i were you .. i'd change my sources to etch .. and deal with it .. this is why we dont' advocate mixing sources`
`18:59.42`	`newbie_`	`asg: are you still there?`
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`18:59.52`	`foxofdoom`	`abrotman: oh...no solution but reinstall debian?`
`18:59.53`	`Zugschlus`	`newbie_: he left for the pub. do you read what happens here?`
`18:59.59`	`petemc`	`Zugschlus: what about recreating /tmp ?`
`19:00.01`	`abrotman`	`foxofdoom: i didn't say that .. i said to chagne to etch`
`19:00.06`	`Zugschlus`	`petemc: that is 1777 ;)`
`19:00.08`	`thx1138`	`Zugschlus: i mean why does rm say "permission denied" ? i own the file`
`19:00.14`	`petemc`	`Zugschlus: true`
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`19:00.26`	`Zugschlus`	`thx1138: delete is an operation on the _DIRECTORY_. Did you read what I said?`
`19:00.29`	`Zugschlus`	`newbie_: he left for the pub. do you read what happens here?`
`19:00.35`	`foxofdoom`	`abrotman: ok...sorry...not understanding well here...kinda slow today...so, how would I do that?`
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`19:01.01`	`abrotman`	`!tell foxofdoom about sarge->etch`
`19:01.02`	`Zugschlus`	`foxofdoom: you can force-downgrade all packages to sarge, but that's a lot of work and might break in some places`
`19:01.15`	`thx1138`	`Zugschlus: how do i remove this file ? i dunno what directory you're talking about`
`19:01.16`	`abrotman`	`Zugschlus: i think he's already at the broken point :)`
`19:01.30`	`Zugschlus`	`thx1138: I am talking about the directory the file is in`
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`19:01.42`	`foxofdoom`	`abrotman and Zugschlus: Yes. Broken. Plenty broken.`
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`19:01.58`	`thx1138`	`Zugschlus: can we forget about the dir and just talk about the file inside ?`
`19:02.07`	`Zugschlus`	`thx1138: not if you want to delete that file`
`19:02.15`	`Zugschlus`	`thx1138: to delete that file, you need to write to the directory`
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`19:02.17`	`orjan`	`I have installed moinmoin but the css part isn't working ( only html shows). What to check?`
`19:02.30`	`thx1138`	`Zugschlus: so what do i have to do`
`19:02.38`	`Zugschlus`	`thx1138: check directory permissions`
`19:02.43`	`foxofdoom`	`abrotman: is there any way for me to go back to sarge?`
`19:03.25`	`newbie_`	`Zugschlus: so I think we're thru the exim configuration.. how do you suggest I test to see if it worked properly?`
`19:03.39`	`fevel`	`does anyone know a package that would mount external filesystems automatically`
`19:03.41`	`fevel`	`??`
`19:03.52`	`wm3t`	`Zugschlus: i get up exim4 on my laptop while noob was going through the setup. i thought it was quite well explained.`
`19:04.02`	`wm3t`	`get = set`
`19:04.36`	`Zugschlus`	`newbie_: are you setting up a server which will run your software on the Internet?`
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`19:04.57`	`omry`	`ll`
`19:05.05`	`newbie_`	`Zugschlus: I'm setting up logwatch to send me emails about my server's usage (http,ssh...)`
`19:05.36`	`Zugschlus`	`newbie_: is that a server which will be on the Internet?`
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`19:06.04`	`newbie_`	`Zugschlus: yes.. the server is on the internet.`
`19:06.28`	`abrotman`	`foxofdoom: there is .. but it's difficult and may not work`
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`19:06.35`	`Zugschlus`	`newbie_: seriously, please, hire somebody to install and manage that server. It will be compromised sooner than you might want that.`
`19:06.39`	`abrotman`	`fevel: like what ?`
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`19:06.57`	`pureone`	`ill do it if you pay me ;)`
`19:07.08`	`fevel`	`abrotman: like a pendrive`
`19:07.18`	`fevel`	`abrotman: or a camera`
`19:07.22`	`foxofdoom`	`abrotman: maybe I should just get an install disk, or maybe do some sort of debootstrapping`
`19:07.23`	`abrotman`	`gnome-volume-manager i think`
`19:07.27`	`stew`	`foxofdoom: there is no way to go back once you have upgraded libc6`
`19:07.29`	`abrotman`	`foxofdoom: that's up to you`
`19:07.31`	`newbie_`	`Zugschlus: I can reformat this machine as many times as I need to, to learn a little about sarge. That's why I'm here.`
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`19:07.49`	`newbie_`	`Zugschlus: that's my aim, anyhow.`
`19:07.59`	`fevel`	`abrotman: have you ever heard of mountpy?`
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`19:08.25`	`newbie_`	`wm3t: did your exim4 config workout? -- are you able to send logwatch logs using exim4 now to addresses outside of your domain?`
`19:08.50`	`wm3t`	`newbie: yep. worked well.`
`19:09.20`	`thx1138`	`thanx Zugschlus`
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`19:09.42`	`fevel`	`Ive just tested mountpy and it works perfectly, the only problem is I have to run the command "mountpy" at the prompt for it to mount`
`19:09.46`	`Zugschlus`	`newbie_: the problems start once you have reached productivity. At your current state, you are no danger to anybody since you don't get the most basic things set up. But once your learned, you will have a server _running_, and then the crackers will have fun with you without noticing. That is where the danger begins`
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`19:10.45`	`newbie_`	`Zugschlus: who is the crackers?`
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`19:11.34`	`Zugschlus`	`newbie_: People who scour the net for servery that are poorly set up and taken care of`
`19:11.37`	`newbie_`	`wm3t: did you just put MAILTO= email@address.com in your logwatch config?`
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`19:12.02`	`wm3t`	`newbie: yep.`
`19:12.17`	`newbie_`	`wm3t: i ran logwatch and havne't received an email?`
`19:12.23`	`rohal`	`is there anyway to run mplayer on fullscreen?`
`19:12.32`	`petemc`	`rohal: -fs -zoom`
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`19:13.03`	`wm3t`	`newbie: since you are relaying your mail through another server, it may get queued there. give it some time`
`19:13.14`	`newbie_`	`wm3t: do I have to change mailer to another (instead of /usr/bin/mail) now that exim4 is installed?`
`19:13.14`	`rohal`	`petemc: thnaks`
`19:13.20`	`comfrey`	`!debian clone`
`19:13.20`	`dpkg`	`One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade".`
`19:13.28`	`newbie_`	`wm3t: okay`
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`19:13.33`	`wm3t`	`newbie: i didn't`
`19:13.37`	`Zugschlus`	`newbie_: no`
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`19:13.41`	`jorgp_laptop`	`this machine is connected to a fast connect and another machine I have is not how do I download a package and all it's depends even if that package is already installed here? there is nothing in /var/cache/apt/archives`
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`19:14.13`	`cosminb`	`hi, i need some help with MTAs, if anyone can help me...`
`19:14.19`	`Zugschlus`	`cosminb: depends on which MTA`
`19:14.21`	`cosminb`	`i has exim installed`
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`19:14.29`	`cosminb`	`i want to switch to sendmail`
`19:14.39`	`Zugschlus`	`cosminb: why do you want to switch to sendmail?`
`19:14.40`	`cosminb`	`and i don't know how`
`19:14.42`	`rohal`	`petemc: how to make it default for mplayer to use -fs -zoom`
`19:14.45`	`newbie_`	`Zugschlus: thx`
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`19:14.58`	`Zugschlus`	`dpkg, start an mta war`
`19:14.59`	`dpkg`	`smail is a spam magnet`
`19:14.59`	`cosminb`	`because this is a devel box, and on the real server i have sendmail installed`
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`19:15.08`	`Zugschlus`	`cosminb: and you are a sendmail expert?`
`19:15.09`	`petemc`	`rohal: /etc/mplayer.conf`
`19:15.11`	`newbie_`	`Zugschlus: how do I send a test email using exim4 to be sure that the fault isn't with logwatch?`
`19:15.12`	`cosminb`	`no`
`19:15.15`	`cosminb`	`neither`
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`19:15.38`	`cosminb`	`but i don't have control over the packages on the real server`
`19:15.42`	`TecnoVM64`	`hello people, i have a problem, when i do "uptime" it shows 2 users, when the only logged in is me, i remember that i used to delete a file to solve that, but i don't remember which file exactly, any ideas?`
`19:15.42`	`cosminb`	`it's a freebsd machine`
`19:15.43`	`Zugschlus`	`cosminb: the only reason for using sendmail is locally available know-how`
`19:16.07`	`cosminb`	`yes, i need it locally, for development of some php stuff`
`19:16.21`	`Zugschlus`	`cosminb: php doesn't care whether you have sendmail or exim as MTA installed`
`19:16.26`	`sobersabre`	`hi is there a document describing how to 1. get debians packages lists for apt-get that are in /var/cache/apt 2. get the list of debs needed for later download - for isolated machines.`
`19:16.32`	`sobersabre`	`?`
`19:16.33`	`cosminb`	`hm`
`19:16.37`	`Zugschlus`	`newbie_: try to send a message, and see the exim logs about what happened`
`19:17.13`	`sobersabre`	`i know of apt-get -d install bla`
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`19:17.13`	`sobersabre`	`but, is there a way to get the list for wgetting later on ?`
`19:17.33`	`cosminb`	`well, ok... however i did some installs of sendmail (don't know if succeeded)... how can i undo that, and make sure all packages have satisfied dependencies? i am using debian sarge`
`19:17.35`	`sobersabre`	`and how do I replace apt-get update with file replacement ( ... in other words )`
`19:17.40`	`Estes2`	`I got an issue... i disabled my firewall rules, set /proc/sysy/net/ipv4/ip_forward to 1 and set the masquerade in iptables : MASQUERADE all -- anywhere anywhere ... but this station still doesn't route.. it id before. Any idea ?`
`19:17.43`	`rohal`	`petemc: there is an option in mplayer.conf zoom=no....turning it to yes...did the job...`
`19:17.47`	`elvirolo`	`ah i can't get my hp scanjet 4300C to work`
`19:17.49`	`Estes2`	`id = did`
`19:17.54`	`elvirolo`	`it needs the niash backend`
`19:18.04`	`elvirolo`	`how do i know whether it's installed or not ?`
`19:18.19`	`sobersabre`	`Estes2: what doesn't it route wher from and where to ?`
`19:18.35`	`cosminb`	`is there a way to know wether all packages on my debian are ok? dependencies included...`
`19:18.50`	`newbie_`	`Zugschlus: I don't know how to send a message`
`19:18.59`	`sobersabre`	`cosminb: what do you mean "OK" ? you mean are they happy to be there or not ?`
`19:19.06`	`Estes2`	`ah, sorry, the computer on which is this setting doesn't route from an other computer on a particular net to an other network (and internet)`
`19:19.36`	`cosminb`	`sobersabre: on the last installs / removes I had a message about unsatisfied dependencies...`
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`19:19.54`	`Zugschlus`	`newbie_: Sorry this is where _my_ help ends. What's your IP address? I need to blacklist you everywhere where I am responsible, your machine will be a spam or attack zombie in no time.`
`19:19.56`	`sobersabre`	`cosminb: do you use apt-get ?`
`19:19.58`	`elvirolo`	`helllllllo ?`
`19:20.04`	`cosminb`	`sobersabre: i used aptitude`
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`19:20.22`	`sobersabre`	`cosminb: do you use official debian repositories ?`
`19:20.27`	`widrone`	`elvirolo: dpkg -l`
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`19:20.37`	`newbie_`	`Zugschlus: hehehe`
`19:20.43`	`cosminb`	`sobersabre: not only... security ones, and backports i think`
`19:20.45`	`Zugschlus`	`newbie_: I am _dead_ serious`
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`19:21.14`	`Zugschlus`	`newbie_: this is _NOT_ funny. Running a server no the internet needs at least some _basic_ clue which you are _obviously_ lacking completely.`
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`19:21.22`	`sobersabre`	`cosminb: as long as you use official debian (stable) sources, it should work. if you use another ones... it is your problem....`
`19:21.24`	`newbie_`	`wm3t: you just setup exim4.. how doyou send a test message using it?`
`19:21.44`	`cosminb`	`sobersabre: ok... thanks for taking the time :)`
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`19:21.48`	`wm3t`	`newbie: same way you send one from the terminal`
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`19:21.58`	`sobersabre`	`does anybody know where I can read about off-line ( CDROM based ) apt-get update/upgrade ?`
`19:22.24`	`Zugschlus`	`sobersabre: there used to be apt-cdrom, but I haven't used that in a very long time`
`19:22.33`	`nir_`	`hi, just installed x server and forsome reason X dont detect my hardware`
`19:22.39`	`wm3t`	`newbie: man mail`
`19:22.48`	`nir_`	`ran few time xf86config but still , aint working`
`19:22.51`	`TecnoVM64`	`hello, where is the file that stores the users logged in?`
`19:22.51`	`newbie_`	`wm3t: found something in that tutorial that asg/Seb sent which might be my problem.. it says: when you have a dynamic IP address, and haven't chosen to use a dynamic DNS service. The namespace of your ISP's e-mail addresses will not map one-to-one onto the namespace of your local users (in /etc/passwd).`
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`19:23.23`	`andre_m`	`is there a repository archive to show which packages have been uploaded when?`
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`19:23.35`	`wm3t`	`newbie: Zugschlus is right though. you really need to know what your doing before putting services on a server connected to the internet.`
`19:23.59`	`fbi`	`nir_: you shouldn't use xf86config, you need to fix X now. /msg dpkg xmd5`
`19:24.00`	`wm3t`	`newbie: i don't use a dyn dns service on my laptop w/ dhcp`
`19:24.04`	`cosminb`	`sobersabre: i have on my computer the packages from my dvd's... and they work`
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`19:24.21`	`Zugschlus`	`andre_m: snapshot.debian.net might be what you're looking for`
`19:24.25`	`cosminb`	`sobersabre: they are stored on the hdd, and when apt-getting, it reads from there`
`19:24.36`	`Zugschlus`	`andre_m: If you only want upload dates, packages.qa.debian.org might help`
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`19:24.42`	`newbie_`	`wm3t: I know he is right. I should learn how to do this before I do this, right? That's pretty much what I'm trying to do tho.`
`19:24.57`	`Zugschlus`	`newbie_: Don't do it on the Internet`
`19:25.15`	`Zugschlus`	`newbie_: learn in a local network, with site local IP addresses, probably firewalled off to hell and back`
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`19:25.44`	`cosminb`	`sobersabre: "deb file:/home/ftp/debian/dvd1/ unstable contrib main" this is what i have in the sources.list; is this what you were talking about?`
`19:25.46`	`wm3t`	`or a network not connected to the web`
`19:26.21`	`andre_m`	`Zugschlus: thx`
`19:28.00`	`newbie_`	`i think i'm going to look into that AWStats.. seems more user-friendly than logwatch.`
`19:28.07`	`sobersabre`	`guys, I've read the apt-offline howto. it describes the usage of 2 debian machines.`
`19:28.22`	`stew`	`awstats has had a bad security record recently`
`19:28.23`	`S4nD3r`	`I have a big problem... Its not possible to print from Kmail. I always get the message: Error while reading filter description for true. Empty command line received.`
`19:28.34`	`stew`	`but it might be all fixed now`
`19:28.37`	`newbie_`	`stew: figures.. heehh`
`19:28.48`	`newbie_`	`Zugschlus: AWStats -- any comments?`
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`19:29.06`	`Zugschlus`	`newbie_: no, too web-centric for me`
`19:29.09`	`sobersabre`	`S4nD3r: open printer configuration and remove all the bullshit filters you've put there by accident... my guess`
`19:29.29`	`newbie_`	`Zugschlus: then it must be perfect for me. ... apples & oranges :)`
`19:29.35`	`S4nD3r`	`Theres no filter there`
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`19:30.03`	`sobersabre`	`S4nD3r: but you've printed the error message.`
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`19:30.21`	`S4nD3r`	`No.. This message apears in my desktop`
`19:30.36`	`sobersabre`	`hmmm does it look like a greeting ?`
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`19:31.10`	`sobersabre`	`doesn't it look like an error... ?`
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`19:32.08`	`yzrider088`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`19:32.20`	`cosminb`	`sobersabre: "apt-get check" this is what I needed; does some checking :)`
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`19:32.49`	`stew`	`yzrider088: ask whomever created the .bin`
`19:32.54`	`sobersabre`	`cosminb: great! I new I could help!`
`19:32.55`	`sobersabre`	`:)`
`19:32.57`	`stew`	`s/m//`
`19:33.17`	`sobersabre`	`on the way, I've found a solution for myself too.`
`19:33.37`	`erikdravn`	`<-- nat having a good day :( I can't even remember my password here`
`19:34.02`	`S4nD3r`	`which package is necessary to install to use printer in kde ??`
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`19:34.46`	`erikdravn`	`could someone please explain to me hot to ftp in debian.. I don't care if its commandline or gui I just need to upload some files to my webserver`
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`19:35.09`	`oatis`	`what does PHP stand for?`
`19:35.13`	`erikdravn`	`how rather`
`19:35.18`	`yzrider088`	`People Helping People`
`19:35.19`	`yzrider088`	`PHP`
`19:35.20`	`nkuttler`	`erikdravn: apt-cache search ftp client, install one, run it`
`19:35.20`	`yzrider088`	`haha`
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`19:35.52`	`erikdravn`	`I installed filerunner.. but I could not figure out how to connect.. thanks`
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`19:36.04`	`nkuttler`	`erikdravn: i like ncftp. ncftp server`
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`19:37.09`	`erikdravn`	`I'll try that.. thanks`
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`19:39.03`	`veleno`	`if i do a localhost nmap i see a "6667/tcp open irc" what the hell is that??`
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`19:39.34`	`stew`	`veleno: /msg dpkg open ports`
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`19:40.02`	`dippo`	`i am having trouble making ifplugd work the way it seems like it should. The first time I run ifplugd and my wireless associates with an AP, ifplugd notices and spawns dhclient`
`19:40.08`	`dippo`	`but after that, it never successfully does it again`
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`19:40.14`	`erikdravn`	`ok, I'm using ncftp.. but I have the same problem.. how do I connect?`
`19:40.15`	`dippo`	`i presume because dhclient is still running but not re-requesting an IP`
`19:40.19`	`dippo`	`if I lose and re-establish link`
`19:40.23`	`dippo`	`am I missing something fundamental here?`
`19:41.04`	`erikdravn`	`I typed ./ncftp in the /usr/bin dir and it gives me a prompt`
`19:41.06`	`stew`	`erikdravn: ncftp -u user hostname`
`19:41.24`	`erikdravn`	`ok`
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`19:42.55`	`S4nD3r`	`My cups-server is crazy... Sometime appears a lot of another printers in my server.... I dont understand.`
`19:42.58`	`erikdravn`	`Ok, that seems to be working.. thanks! (now if only I can remember my password heh)`
`19:43.24`	`nkuttler`	`erikdravn: and read man ncftp`
`19:43.34`	`sobersabre`	`S4nD3r: reconfigure it...`
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`19:43.49`	`S4nD3r`	`Hummm...`
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`19:44.17`	`S4nD3r`	`When I access the cupsserver, always appears printers from computers that is not in network anymore...`
`19:44.20`	`S4nD3r`	`How to solve this ??`
`19:44.25`	`S4nD3r`	`reconfigure where?`
`19:44.49`	`jorgp_laptop`	`how do you get a list of depends of a package`
`19:45.12`	`drakh`	`if you use apt it tells you`
`19:45.23`	`m0rbid-[house-wi`	`can someone assist me? Not sure if this is a qmail problem, or libc6. I get this error msg when I try to start qmail: svok: relocation error: svok: symbol errno, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference. I have tried to search google, and came up with nothing.`
`19:45.43`	`jhaig`	`S4nD3r: You could try the web front-end at http://localhost:631 - you can delete printers from there and if the printers no longer exist then they shouldn't re-appear.`
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`19:46.16`	`S4nD3r`	`But the printers are autoadded, its normal?`
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`19:47.06`	`nkuttler`	`jorgp_laptop: apt-cache show package, man apt-cache`
`19:47.16`	`jhaig`	`If you have access to them, then I think it is normal that they get added automatically.`
`19:47.41`	`S4nD3r`	`But I want not that!`
`19:47.56`	`S4nD3r`	`I just want that the cups manager the lpt1 printer`
`19:48.02`	`S4nD3r`	`Neither other from network`
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`19:51.20`	`Bob332`	`I have a dual boot with GRUB, winxp and debian...i want to wipe the debian part and go back to XP. How can i do this, how do i edit the MBR?`
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`19:52.01`	`SpamHog`	`I am cloning a 1-partition system to another partition. I have adjusted than /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst, but I can't "mkinirtd -r /dev/<new partition> -o <new-initrd-file>" - no output! Ideas?`
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`19:52.13`	`wm3t`	`Bob332: google fix mbr`
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`19:53.47`	`m0rbid`	`Bob332: fdisk /MBR`
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`19:54.45`	`jn1`	`I have an old isa AWE64 (yeah, I'm not happy about it, but my motherboards with on-board sound keep dying)`
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`19:55.01`	`jn1`	`isapnptools isn't in unstable anymore`
`19:55.18`	`SpamHog`	`m0rbid: does "fdisk /MBR" also work in Linux? I thought it worked from a DOS boot.`
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`19:55.28`	`jn1`	`So I can't seem to get anything - lspci, udev, discover, hotplug, even tried kudzu - to admit the thing exists`
`19:55.45`	`N0S3`	`whats is the best cipher for vpn ??? ;cipher BF-CBC # Blowfish (default)`
`19:55.45`	`N0S3`	`;cipher AES-128-CBC # AES`
`19:55.45`	`N0S3`	`;cipher DES-EDE3-CBC # Triple-DES`
`19:55.46`	`m0rbid`	`SpamHog: you can get it at bootdisks.com`
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`19:56.00`	`jn1`	`Is there anything that still supports ISA cards?`
`19:56.17`	`SpamHog`	`m0rbid: that's my point! :)`
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`19:56.34`	`FliesLikeALap`	`would booting without /opt /usr and /var cause any problems?`
`19:56.42`	`m0rbid`	`how do I check to see which gcc I am running?`
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`19:56.55`	`m0rbid`	`yah I know, dumb question, its been a long time.`
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`19:57.09`	`FliesLikeALap`	`m0rbid just a guess:`
`19:57.11`	`FliesLikeALap`	`gcc -v ?`
`19:57.11`	`thingfish`	`m0rbid: gcc -v`
`19:57.15`	`m0rbid`	`geh`
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`19:57.42`	`N0S3`	`any??`
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`19:57.59`	`elvirolo`	`does anyone use kooka?`
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`20:01.13`	`SimonRaven`	`um, wtf?`
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`20:01.41`	`SimonRaven`	`nm`
`20:01.50`	`SpamHog`	`600 silent people`
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`20:02.10`	ryan`	`rar`
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`20:02.16`	`fbi`	`unrar!`
`20:02.19`	`tremor`	`or just reading and learning`
`20:02.34`	`fbi`	`SpamHog: a week ago it was 750 silent people`
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`20:02.40`	`SpamHog`	`yeah`
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`20:03.10`	`SpamHog`	`I too try to concentrate and end up only compressing.`
`20:03.12`	`Lee__`	`does there exist a command to see what apt repo installed packages came from?`
`20:03.14`	`SimonRaven`	`fbi: happens when you get kicked off the chan by chanserv due to some 0wning. ;)`
`20:03.26`	`fbi`	`SimonRaven: word.`
`20:03.30`	`SimonRaven`	`Lee__: apt-cache policy <package>`
`20:03.39`	`Lee__`	`thanks`
`20:03.55`	`SimonRaven`	`the rest will trickle back in eventually`
`20:04.23`	`liransd_`	`i installed debian woody on a P1/32mb ram/4gb hd with an ISA 3COM NIC though im getting no connection whatsoever on my lan. i put in right details for route and ip, though no pings going around... i've checked with lspci that 3c509 module is loaded just fine... no idea what else to check`
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`20:04.49`	`FliesLikeALap`	`liransd_ what kind of NIC is it?`
`20:04.56`	`FliesLikeALap`	`linksys, dlink, or some other normal one?`
`20:04.57`	`SimonRaven`	`the cable? the hub/switch? start at layer 1`
`20:04.58`	`FliesLikeALap`	`or something weird?`
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`20:05.29`	`liransd_`	`FliesLikeABrick: i was saying, its a 3COM ISA card, never gave me problems before. the modules are loaded just fine in lsmod`
`20:05.31`	`FliesLikeALap`	`on a fresh debian install you shouldnt have to mess with routing tables to get general network access working`
`20:05.39`	`FliesLikeALap`	`oh sorry liransd_ read right over that somehow`
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`20:05.45`	`liransd_`	`SimonRaven: right. so i see that the leds are up in my hub and in the nic so it's connected`
`20:05.56`	`savio_R`	`HiveDrone, how can I install kernel-source-2.6.12? Thanks.`
`20:06.05`	`FliesLikeALap`	`savio_R it is in apt`
`20:06.06`	`SimonRaven`	`blinky lights going off, cool`
`20:06.09`	`stew`	`savio_R: its called linux-source-2.6.12`
`20:06.25`	`FliesLikeALap`	`savio_R you can also get it from www.kernel.org`
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`20:07.04`	`fbi`	`liransd_: ifconfig shows an ip but you can't ping anything?`
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`20:07.22`	`SimonRaven`	`what do you get as output from the pinging?`
`20:07.26`	`liransd_`	`SimonRaven: sometimes blinking, but thats probably the hub`
`20:07.38`	`liransd_`	`i get no error, just packet lost`
`20:07.42`	`dudeee`	`http://www.entrynumber63551.com/?r=MUESGWYWhRYAFFcNCSYH`
`20:07.46`	`liransd_`	`fbi: right.`
`20:07.55`	`fbi`	`liransd_: cat /etc/resolv.conf`
`20:08.00`	`liransd_`	`i was at first thinking that maybe iptables was blocking or whatever so i removed it totally`
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`20:08.09`	`SimonRaven`	`hmm, could be the other end: either blocking pings, or not getting them`
`20:08.11`	`liransd_`	`resolv.conf has my isps ip`
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`20:08.20`	`FliesLikeALap`	`liransd_ have you tried just pinging your gateway?`
`20:08.20`	`liransd_`	`but im pinging ips, so that shouldnt be a problem anyway`
`20:08.23`	`FliesLikeALap`	`something local`
`20:08.27`	`FliesLikeALap`	`yeah`
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`20:09.03`	`FliesLikeALap`	`liransd_ i'm guessing you edited resolv.conf to put the ip in there, right?`
`20:09.12`	`liransd_`	`right. pinging my gateway isnt gonna be helpful cause its blocking icmp echo but pinging a windows machine which i know that is responding isn't giving anything, and the modem isnt replying to pings either (which is bad)`
`20:09.21`	`FliesLikeALap`	`lol yes`
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`20:09.28`	`fbi`	`!lol`
`20:09.28`	`dpkg`	`If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.`
`20:09.36`	`FliesLikeALap`	`heh*`
`20:09.45`	`savio_R`	`stew, thanks. FliesLikeALap thanks too.`
`20:09.46`	`SimonRaven`	`i'm starting to think it's "upstream" from the machine itself`
`20:10.10`	`FliesLikeALap`	`SimonRaven if that was the case, would he be able to ping it from another machine or no?`
`20:10.18`	`liransd_`	`could it be that i havent installed tcp/ip stack or something? cause i launched a minimal install i think`
`20:10.20`	`SimonRaven`	`no`
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`20:10.34`	`SimonRaven`	`liransd_: it's either built in, or not. and it is`
`20:10.57`	`liransd_`	`well then i've no idea what else to do`
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`20:11.01`	`Nexus`	`So I want to install php5, but when I try, it wants to uninstall cacti... Is there a way to tell it to NOT uninstall cacti?`
`20:11.04`	`orjan`	`I have installed moinmoin but the css part isn't working ( only html shows). What to check?`
`20:11.20`	`SimonRaven`	`Nexus: no, if cacti is dependent on php4`
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`20:11.59`	`SimonRaven`	`afk`
`20:12.14`	`fbi`	`away from kitchen?`
`20:12.18`	`stew`	`SimonRaven: can't php4 and php5 co-exist (i'm not sure myself)`
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`20:12.31`	`liransd_`	`has anyone got anymore clues?`
`20:12.52`	`FliesLikeALap`	`yes stew, since you would set apache to only use one or the other`
`20:13.02`	`SimonRaven`	`used to, might've changed, but some things don't work, or the deps haven't been updated yet.`
`20:13.08`	`FliesLikeALap`	`at least that is my guess`
`20:13.25`	`FliesLikeALap`	`if apache is set to use php5, then php4 is jut a set of files sitting on your comp`
`20:13.31`	`FliesLikeALap`	`again, my guess`
`20:13.56`	`SimonRaven`	`they're configured to conflict now. can't remember what extent`
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`20:14.20`	`qwertz`	`Hi, is it possible to use htdig as search engine for my local php files (will say is it possible to use any kind of text documents)? And if how do I have to specify the url for the php files in /var/www/`
`20:14.51`	`SimonRaven`	`liransd_: double check everything, make sure you have everything set ok. could be a typo (happened to me before)`
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`20:15.14`	`stew`	`SimonRaven: nm they cannot`
`20:15.14`	`stew`	`!conflicts libapache2-mod-php5`
`20:15.18`	`dpkg`	`libapache2-mod-php5: libapache2-mod-php4`
`20:15.37`	`SimonRaven`	`ok. so it did change. wasn't sure`
`20:15.40`	`FliesLikeALap`	`good call stew`
`20:15.42`	`FliesLikeALap`	`good to know`
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`20:16.24`	`Worm_Drink`	`hello`
`20:17.02`	`FliesLikeALap`	`hi.`
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`20:17.58`	`resiak`	`qwertz: Could you possibly read its manual?`
`20:18.04`	`Worm_Drink`	`someone told me to ask this question here`
`20:18.10`	`abrotman`	`!moo`
`20:18.10`	`dpkg`	`mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo.`
`20:18.12`	`Worm_Drink`	`[moo] [OS] Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 2 (5.1 - 2600) [Uptime] 1d 1h 35m 26s [CPU] 1-AMD XP, 1466MHz, 256KB (100% Load) [RAM] Usage: 732/1280MB (57.19%) [\|\|\|\|\|\|----] [Hard Drive] C:\ (1.82GB Free, 15.63GB Total), D:\ (33.75GB Free, 232.88GB Total), E:\ (3.07GB Free, 58.89GB Total), F:\ (3.71GB Free, 111.79GB Total), L:\ (10.38GB Free, 38.29GB Total), M:\ (3.68GB Free, 19.52GB Total), N:\ (2.65GB Free, 18.62GB Total), T:\ (8`
`20:18.15`	`Worm_Drink`	`and, i dunno if its the right thing, but it might be`
`20:18.28`	`abrotman`	`Worm_Drink: why would they tell you to ask here ?`
`20:18.30`	`Worm_Drink`	`abrotman, fuckoff`
`20:18.37`	`abrotman`	`Worm_Drink: why again?`
`20:18.43`	`FliesLikeALap`	`Worm_Drink what are you going to ask?`
`20:18.46`	`stew`	`!ops Worm_Drink is a trollbot`
`20:18.46`	`Worm_Drink`	`why do you do !moo ?`
`20:18.49`	`dpkg`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: Worm_Drink is a trollbot`
`20:18.50`	`resiak`	`!moo!`
`20:18.50`	`dpkg`	`mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo.`
`20:18.55`	`SimonRaven`	`um, wtf were they smoking? and what are you smoking?`
`20:18.56`	`abrotman`	`moo has nothing to do with you`
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`20:19.00`	`Worm_Drink`	`ok`
`20:19.00`	`Worm_Drink`	`nvm`
`20:19.03`	`abrotman`	`Worm_Drink: ask your question`
`20:19.03`	`Worm_Drink`	`let me just ask`
`20:19.13`	`Worm_Drink`	`i wanto send keys to an operating system`
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`20:19.19`	`Worm_Drink`	`in like a sequence`
`20:19.22`	`resiak`	`!tell Worm_Drink -about enter`
`20:19.27`	`Worm_Drink`	`at very fast speed, how whould i do that ?`
`20:19.30`	`abrotman`	`Worm_Drink: to which OS ?`
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`20:19.37`	`bigjocker`	`Worm_Drink, learn to type faster?`
`20:19.37`	`Worm_Drink`	`well, yeah`
`20:19.40`	`abrotman`	`Worm_Drink: to which OS ?`
`20:19.49`	`Worm_Drink`	`thats is why i dont think he did the right thing by telling me`
`20:19.58`	`Worm_Drink`	`but lets just asume i wanto do it for about any os`
`20:19.59`	`resiak`	`abrotman: I think that you should apply /ignore, tbh`
`20:20.00`	`SimonRaven`	`and what kind of keys?`
`20:20.04`	`stew`	`ok i guess he just passwd my reverse turing test`
`20:20.07`	`Worm_Drink`	`left and right`
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`20:20.19`	`abrotman`	`Worm_Drink: TO WHICH OS?`
`20:20.27`	`Worm_Drink`	`ok to debian`
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`20:20.30`	`SimonRaven`	`ok, fuck this. plonk`
`20:20.44`	`abrotman`	`Worm_Drink: dpkg -l libc6 \| tail 1`
`20:20.45`	`Worm_Drink`	`lets say that, i will just try to port it where i need it, cos if i tell you witch os then you will kick me`
`20:20.49`	`abrotman`	`Worm_Drink: dpkg -l libc6 \| tail -1`
`20:20.53`	`ddunham`	`hello mates`
`20:20.57`	`abrotman`	`FliesLikeALap: don't do that :)`
`20:21.00`	`fbi`	`g'day`
`20:21.01`	`FliesLikeALap`	`sorry abrotman`
`20:21.02`	`abrotman`	`FliesLikeALap: just say it`
`20:21.12`	`resiak`	`SimonRaven: And the tragedy is that those at whom "plonk" is aimed do not understand it.`
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`20:21.32`	`FliesLikeALap`	`whats wrong with Worm_Drink that he got such a harsh welcome?`
`20:21.40`	`resiak`	`FliesLikeALap: He's being a fucktard`
`20:21.43`	`SimonRaven`	`at least until...`
`20:21.44`	`fbi`	`resiak: how tragic can it be? you can't see them continue once they are plonked!`
`20:21.45`	`FliesLikeALap`	`thats what i thought`
`20:21.48`	`SimonRaven`	`!plonk`
`20:21.48`	`dpkg`	`well, plonk is the sound that a name makes when hitting the ignore list or or killfile. Plonk is British and Canadian slang for cheap wine. "Rodney, you plonker."`
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`20:22.45`	`SimonRaven`	`running some lameass script as a "question" wasn't really called for`
`20:22.52`	`ddunham`	`I am trying to install Websense and they say it only works for redhat, but I had a previous version running... anyway... point is.. i am now trying to upgrade to 5.5.2 and having to strace a bunch of stuff... I keep running into this problem access("/etc/ld.so.nohwcap", F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)`
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`20:23.24`	`ddunham`	`I searched some newsgrouops and google and came down to it being a glib problem but i have no idea where to go from here`
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`20:23.36`	`SimonRaven`	`ddunham: ignore that. what you want is usually at the bottom anyway`
`20:23.44`	`SimonRaven`	`and it's not a problem`
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`20:25.18`	`ddunham`	`SimonRaven: what you mean at the bottom? of the strace? I already fixed those erorrs.`
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`20:25.30`	`SimonRaven`	`so then what's the problem?`
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`20:25.52`	`ddunham`	`theres a bunch of stat64 problems.`
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`20:26.05`	`ddunham`	`libcom_err.so.3`
`20:26.09`	`ddunham`	`if i can ignore the nohwcap`
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`20:26.13`	`ddunham`	`thats the next booger.`
`20:26.34`	`stew`	`ddunham: what are you trying to do?`
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`20:26.41`	`ddunham`	`stew: upgrade websense to 5.5.2`
`20:26.43`	`SimonRaven`	`the nohwcap is ignorable. the comerr problem is another story. tried installing it?`
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`20:26.57`	`stew`	`ddunham: what version of debian?`
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`20:27.12`	`ddunham`	`unstable`
`20:27.14`	`stew`	`!+info websense`
`20:27.15`	`dpkg`	`Updating debian files... please wait.`
`20:27.19`	`dpkg`	`Package 'websense' does not exist.`
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`20:27.29`	`ddunham`	`Websense is a content filtering package...`
`20:27.39`	`SimonRaven`	`dinstall =)`
`20:27.45`	`ddunham`	`heh`
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`20:27.58`	`SimonRaven`	`@info websense`
`20:28.02`	`ddunham`	`I work for a hospital..`
`20:28.05`	`ddunham`	`www.websense.org`
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`20:28.18`	`ddunham`	`We cant have people looking at streaming video while doctors are scanning images into the pacs machine`
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`20:28.31`	`SimonRaven`	`wouldn't it be nicer to install something like squid + some plguins, or privoxy?`
`20:28.34`	`ddunham`	`open("/lib/tls/i686/libcom_err.so.3", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)`
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`20:28.41`	`ddunham`	`SimonRaven: It integrates with squid`
`20:28.45`	`SimonRaven`	`ok, so install that`
`20:28.48`	`SimonRaven`	`ah ok`
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`20:28.56`	`ddunham`	`it is already installed... (squid)`
`20:29.01`	`SimonRaven`	`!info libcomerr`
`20:29.08`	`tchmnkyz`	`he ment install libcomerr`
`20:29.09`	`ddunham`	`and it has some nice ldap features`
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`20:29.18`	`ddunham`	`oh`
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`20:29.33`	`tchmnkyz`	`dont mind him SimonRaven he is lil on the slow side`
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`20:29.39`	`asuffield`	`websense.org is a spam site`
`20:29.50`	`ddunham`	`.com maye`
`20:29.55`	`ddunham`	`maybe`
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`20:31.25`	`SimonRaven`	`sec`
`20:31.32`	`SimonRaven`	`libcomerr2`
`20:31.40`	`SimonRaven`	`isntall that, it'll be happy`
`20:31.43`	`SimonRaven`	`ins*`
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`20:32.34`	`MrP`	`hello, I'm [insert: still] trying to get my prism2 based wireless card to work. Newest error: bind 'prism2_cs' to socket 0 failed: Invalid argument`
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`20:33.41`	`jorgp_laptop`	`is there a way to include the depends when you apt-get -d --reinstall package`
`20:33.55`	`ddunham`	`okay`
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`20:33.57`	`ddunham`	`installed`
`20:33.59`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: i feel sick`
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`20:34.03`	`ddunham`	`er`
`20:34.06`	`ddunham`	`actually no its not`
`20:34.10`	`MrP`	`And the line above is: cardmgr[30545]: + insmod: error inserting '/lib/modules/2.6.12-1-686/pcmcia/prism2_cs.o': -1 Invalid module format`
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`20:34.35`	`ddunham`	`I narrowed it down to a libc6 problem.`
`20:35.29`	`mith`	`ddunham: you narrowed what down to a libc6 problem?`
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`20:35.49`	`ddunham`	`the fact that im an idiot`
`20:35.56`	`ddunham`	`and my libs were out of date or something`
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`20:37.57`	`MrP`	`Is there a way for me to "insert" a compiled module "into" the computer? I compiled prism2_cs, but when I do a modprobe, it tells the module doesn't exist. Is there something I need to do to tell the system it is installed and where it is?`
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`20:38.14`	`piratecougar`	`hola buenas alguien sabe decirme como meter nuevos servidores en el apte para poder instalar xmule y cosas asi ke no me pilla por defecto?`
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`20:38.38`	`_SerhaT_`	`!es`
`20:38.39`	`dpkg`	`Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.`
`20:38.49`	`_SerhaT_`	`!br`
`20:38.49`	`dpkg`	`Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.`
`20:38.51`	`_SerhaT_`	`dunno :P`
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`20:39.24`	`ddunham`	`GRRR`
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`20:39.31`	`ddunham`	`I did apt-get upgrade`
`20:39.32`	`ddunham`	`and now`
`20:39.38`	`Rawplayer`	`hmm when i send 1 email to myself i will recieve it twice`
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`20:39.54`	`piratecougar`	`thanks`
`20:39.55`	`ddunham`	`E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option.`
`20:39.55`	`ddunham`	`E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs`
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`20:39.59`	`ddunham`	`I know I dont wanna remove that`
`20:40.03`	`piratecougar`	`#debian-es`
`20:40.16`	`ddunham`	`suggestions?`
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`20:40.29`	`stew`	`ddunham: you should upgrade to current stable before you upgrade to etch or unstable`
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`20:40.52`	`stew`	`ddunham: that is generally an indication that you are running pre-release sarge packages`
`20:40.53`	`mjk64`	`piratecougar: Type: /join #debian-es`
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`20:40.58`	`FliesLikeALap`	`piratecougar haces /join #debian-es`
`20:40.59`	`ddunham`	`stew: ya`
`20:41.09`	`ddunham`	`I walked into an admin position`
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`20:41.16`	`ddunham`	`where the boxes have been up for 400 days`
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`20:41.37`	`ddunham`	`so like everything is outta date`
`20:41.42`	`jonas_larson`	`hi all`
`20:41.44`	`stew`	`ddunham: why are you upgrading them to testing?`
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`20:41.46`	`jonas_larson`	`has anybody used dm-multipath with multipath tools and hds storage?`
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`20:42.07`	`ddunham`	`deb ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ unstable main`
`20:42.07`	`ddunham`	`deb-src ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ unstable main`
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`20:42.11`	`ddunham`	`is what I have in my apt`
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`20:42.37`	`luddite`	`dude you have an admin position and uhh, you don't know that`
`20:42.39`	`StucKma1`	`ddunham: are those servers or wstations?`
`20:42.42`	`luddite`	`man..`
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`20:42.47`	`luddite`	`i'm a newb bro`
`20:42.49`	`luddite`	`but`
`20:42.49`	`stew`	`luddite: don't know what?`
`20:42.52`	`ddunham`	`servers`
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`20:43.06`	`stew`	`luddite: what are you claiming he should have known?`
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`20:43.10`	`luddite`	`the /apt/source.list says stable`
`20:43.19`	`StucKma1`	`ddunham: I wouldn't use sid ofr a server...`
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`20:43.38`	`luddite`	`yeah stay away from unstable`
`20:43.50`	`ddunham`	`luddite: there is a lot of shit i dont know walking into an admin behind a lazy one`
`20:43.58`	`ddunham`	`with over 20 servers under my belt.`
`20:44.04`	`stew`	`ddunham: ok so you are running a really old snapshot of unstable it seems`
`20:44.07`	`luddite`	`i didn't mean to sound as if i was i talking down to you`
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`20:44.11`	`ddunham`	`np`
`20:44.13`	`luddite`	`i'm just surprised and stressed for you`
`20:44.14`	`ddunham`	`just stressed`
`20:44.17`	`StucKma1`	`specially when codequakes like changing the compiler or stuff like that is always ahead`
`20:44.22`	`ddunham`	`stew: yes, very old.`
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`20:44.28`	`stew`	`ddunham: if /nothing/ has been updated in 400 days, its possible you could actually end up on stable, but its dicey`
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`20:44.35`	`luddite`	`well, I get answers here all the time so you've come to right place`
`20:44.44`	`stew`	`ddunham: what versions of libc6 and libstdc++6 are installed?`
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`20:45.36`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: sick how ?`
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`20:52.18`	`ddunham`	`stew: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 -> libstdc++.so.2.9`
`20:53.25`	`stew`	`ddunham: if you don't have libstdc++6 and libc6 is <= 2.3.2.ds1-22 then i'd say try replacing unstable with stable in you sources.list and try to upgrade to sarge aka stable`
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`20:54.14`	`ddunham`	`ya its at 2.9`
`20:54.22`	`ddunham`	`okay`
`20:54.23`	`ddunham`	`so`
`20:54.34`	`ddunham`	`whats the risk of doing this on a production machine?`
`20:54.48`	`stew`	`probably less than the risk of not doing it`
`20:54.53`	`ddunham`	`hah`
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`20:55.24`	`bop1`	`how do i check to which package a specific file belongs?`
`20:55.27`	`bop1`	`say /bin/ls`
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`20:55.36`	`SimonRaven`	`400 days no update, on a sid box? i'd go for it. but i'm a) cocky b) have some clue`
`20:55.43`	`SimonRaven`	`dlocate, dpkg -S`
`20:55.44`	`stew`	`you may wanna use aptitude instead of apt-get to dist-upgrade, woody's apt-get had trouble with large circular dependencies`
`20:55.57`	`abrotman`	`FliesLikeALap: see why he got a harsh welcome ?`
`20:56.01`	`SimonRaven`	`oh for sure use some more complex frontend`
`20:56.19`	`ddunham`	`SimonRaven: was that sarcasam`
`20:56.21`	`ddunham`	`or should i really`
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`20:56.32`	`SimonRaven`	`ddunham: no, completely serious`
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`20:56.46`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: 100000mg chocolate/5minutes`
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`20:57.07`	`stew`	`ddunham: a box that hasn't been updated in 400 days is vulnerable security wise and should be updated somehow`
`20:57.22`	`SimonRaven`	`exactly. and it might as well be stable anyway`
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`20:57.27`	`CQ`	`i'm trying to upgrade a 4 year old installation and am getting dependency errors, any suggestions?`
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`20:57.36`	`ddunham`	`stew: these are all internal machines`
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`20:57.42`	`ddunham`	`none of them are on the net.`
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`20:57.47`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: and now .. you wanna drink some milk ?`
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`20:57.54`	`Billionaire`	`hi all..`
`20:57.57`	`SimonRaven`	`doesn't matter. an intruder could get access if they're in any way connected`
`20:57.59`	`abrotman`	`CQ: upgrade from what to waht ?`
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`20:58.22`	`ddunham`	`we could speculate about hacks all day but it wont happen`
`20:58.22`	`CQ`	`abrotman from whatever was current in november 2001 to testing today`
`20:58.40`	`abrotman`	`CQ: first go to sarge .. then to etch`
`20:58.52`	`abrotman`	`CQ: what kind of dependency issues ?`
`20:58.53`	`SimonRaven`	`that wasn't mere speculation`
`20:58.53`	`bop1`	`SimonRaven doesnt work`
`20:58.56`	`bop1`	`oh ok`
`20:58.57`	`bop1`	`sorry`
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`20:59.03`	`bop1`	`damn why it takes so long`
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`20:59.11`	`CQ`	`can I jsut tell it sarge instead of stable?`
`20:59.16`	`CQ`	`in sources.list`
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`20:59.33`	`SimonRaven`	`bop1: hence my suggestion of dlocate. takes seconds, if that`
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`20:59.41`	`ddunham`	`stew: and what should I do, just go to unstable/sarge`
`20:59.44`	`ddunham`	`then sarge/etch`
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`20:59.46`	`SimonRaven`	`the work is done beforehand`
`20:59.56`	`Billionaire`	`If I've a intel centrino, do I need the packages lib64ncurses5 libc6-amd64?`
`21:00.03`	`SimonRaven`	`sarge isn't unstable, nor is etch sarge`
`21:00.06`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: milk's not good for me after 6 o'clock in the evening, unless i've had some very bad drugs`
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`21:00.14`	`SimonRaven`	`oh, sorry`
`21:00.16`	`mogorman`	`hey`
`21:00.24`	`SimonRaven`	`ddunham: no, straight to sarge`
`21:00.27`	`bop1`	`SimonRaven thanks, and how do i list all the files in an installed package?`
`21:00.27`	`mogorman`	`i have a friend using debian unstable`
`21:00.34`	`mogorman`	`and on x86_64`
`21:00.37`	`SimonRaven`	`don't fuck with it already more than it is`
`21:00.41`	`StucKma1`	`ddunham: define your needs, see if sarge covers them; if not, see if etch covers them`
`21:00.42`	`mogorman`	`and he has glibc2.3.5`
`21:00.50`	`mogorman`	`but has a binary he needs to run that is 2.3.2`
`21:00.57`	`SimonRaven`	`bop1: this time you don't get a freebie, man dpkg ;)`
`21:01.06`	`mogorman`	`and the debian glibc does not have backwards compatibility support for that`
`21:01.09`	`bop1`	`yea -L :)`
`21:01.10`	`mogorman`	`is there a trick to this`
`21:01.13`	`mogorman`	`or is it broken`
`21:01.34`	`bop1`	`SimonRaven i just moved to debian.. i can do everything with dpkt/apt-get/apt-cache without using dselect and all the other tools?`
`21:01.55`	`mogorman`	`anybody`
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`21:02.28`	`StucKman`	`mogorman: recompile or search for another solution`
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`21:03.06`	`abrotman`	`CQ: yes`
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`21:03.46`	`SimonRaven`	`bop1: a lot of the time; i do. but i do use a decent frontend for upgrades and stuff involving more than just a quickie download or removal`
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`21:04.00`	`SimonRaven`	`AFK`
`21:04.01`	`djr`	`any one have knowledge of debian on UltraSPARCII (SunBlade150)`
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`21:04.24`	`Fozzy_`	`ive got a problem, my wifi card is detected, but it wont see the router, even after i point it to the essid my router is set to`
`21:04.48`	`Fozzy_`	`cardctl ident shows the card is working, iwconfi shows the card, but no IP address assigned and it acts like it cant find an access point`
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`21:06.17`	`CQ`	`hm, even with sarge I still get conflicts on cracklib2, e2fsprogs, gnome-mime-data and librx1g`
`21:06.21`	`mtnman`	`fozzy_: did you use iwconfig to set essid? did you assign an ip address to the card (either static or via dhcp)?`
`21:06.25`	`djr`	`on the SUNBlade 150 the DOCs seem out of date for SPARC and the install CD just boots to a Gentoo image`
`21:06.32`	`stew`	`ddunham: you should go to sarge and stay there if these are production boxes`
`21:06.50`	`stew`	`if you really wanna go to etch or sid, you should still go to sarge first then upgrade fully to etch (don't mix distros)`
`21:06.54`	`Fozzy_`	`mtnman, yeah, i used iwconfig to set the essid, and im trying to get it a dhcp ip address, but it wont see the router`
`21:07.11`	`kitsuneofdoom`	`hello...I'm trying to debootstrap a debian sarge system off of knoppix. It borks. Is this even possible? If so, what am I doing wrong?`
`21:07.22`	`mtnman`	`fozzy_: you may need to also use iwconfig to set the card into managed mode`
`21:08.08`	`mtnman`	`fozzy_: does the access point require authentication?`
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`21:08.14`	`stew`	`yay bikeride time`
`21:08.20`	`Fozzy_`	`mtnman, not atm, i disabled wep`
`21:08.30`	`Fozzy_`	`mtnman, i just set the mode to managed, still wont see the router`
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`21:09.24`	`mtnman`	`fozzy_: what are you doing to discover the ap?`
`21:09.28`	`djr`	`is it normal for the r3.1 SPARC disk to boot to Gentoo? or are the links on the download wrong?`
`21:09.29`	`maxxle`	`Hi! I remember that vlc (VideoLanClient) was in the testing repository. Does anybody know, why it got removed? There is only one package videolan-doc left?`
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`21:09.44`	`phrontist`	`hello`
`21:09.45`	`CQ`	`what was stable before sarge?`
`21:09.47`	`Fozzy_`	`mtnman, what do you mean? how am i trying to see the router?`
`21:09.52`	`phrontist`	`I'd like to use an encrypted file system`
`21:10.10`	`phrontist`	`I have already installed debian, so I'd like to avoid partitioning`
`21:10.21`	`mtnman`	`fozzy_: i guess you use "see" and i use "discover". i guess i don't like your terminology.`
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`21:10.45`	`maxxle`	`CQ: it was woody?!`
`21:10.52`	`Fozzy_`	`mtnman, im new to this whole wifi thing`
`21:11.04`	`mtnman`	`fozzy_: that much is obvious`
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`21:11.06`	`ddunham`	`stew: no i dont wanna go to etch`
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`21:11.23`	`CQ`	`when was woody released, 2002?`
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`21:11.31`	`mtnman`	`!woody`
`21:11.32`	`dpkg`	`from memory, woody is the previous stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge" or "sarge install guide" Security updates for woody will cease approximately one year after sarge's release(July/2006)`
`21:11.40`	`sobersabre`	`guys, is there a way to retrieve correct Packages.gz files to a non debian/non linux machine with, say wget, and then to feed them into apt-get update somehow ?`
`21:11.45`	`factor`	`anyone else having problems wiht the latest build of xorg and glx?`
`21:11.52`	`Fozzy_`	`mtnman, i just ran dhclient, and now iwconfig shows it's detecting the router`
`21:12.07`	`factor`	`I cant start x with glx after upgrading today.`
`21:12.15`	`Fozzy_`	`mtnman, but dhcpd eth1 doesnt obtain an ip address for the card`
`21:12.32`	`mtnman`	`fozzy_: try setting a static ip in the correct range.`
`21:12.34`	`sobersabre`	`I mean I have a non-internetworked machine. I know how to create package lists for wget. but I don't know how to update apt's DB properly`
`21:12.56`	`sobersabre`	`the internetworked one isn't linux ( windows ), but I can have a wget for it.`
`21:13.11`	`ddunham`	`okay`
`21:13.14`	`ddunham`	`wheres the how to for upgrading`
`21:13.50`	`sobersabre`	`I've seen apt-offline script, but it uses debian tools for Packages.gz retrieval. I need something else.`
`21:14.02`	`ddunham`	`!woody->sarge`
`21:14.02`	`sobersabre`	`ddunham: from.. to... ?`
`21:14.10`	`ddunham`	`unstable`
`21:14.13`	`sobersabre`	`ddunham: not woody int sarge ?`
`21:14.20`	`Fozzy_`	`mtnman, okay, its working, all i did was went into the router, enabled WEP again, and it started working. strange`
`21:14.22`	`sobersabre`	`s/int/into/`
`21:14.23`	`sobersabre`	`?`
`21:14.34`	`ddunham`	`yeah`
`21:14.36`	`ddunham`	`woody -> sarge`
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`21:14.46`	`mtnman`	`fozzy_: well, good.`
`21:14.48`	`Fozzy_`	`mtnman, now do you know of a way i can disable eth0 from trying to get an IP address at boot?`
`21:14.59`	`sobersabre`	`ddunham: sarge is stable... wake up.`
`21:15.01`	`ddunham`	`Fozzy_: take off dhcp`
`21:15.06`	`djr`	`thx a ton.. you gys rock!`
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`21:15.09`	`Fozzy_`	`ddunham, that's it?`
`21:15.11`	`mtnman`	`fozzy_: man interfaces. you will need to edit /etc/network/interfaces`
`21:15.20`	`ddunham`	`sobre: I said unstable`
`21:15.37`	`mtnman`	`fozzy_: you will need to set eth1 static instead of dhcp`
`21:15.42`	`resiak`	`Hmm. Is it possible to discover what DisplaySize X has assumed I have when I did not supply values? I can't find the appropriate manpage`
`21:15.46`	`kitsuneofdoom`	`hello...sorry if I'm repeating, but I want to know if anyone knows how to debootstrap sarge from a knoppix disc.`
`21:15.47`	`mtnman`	`eth0, that is`
`21:15.50`	`sobersabre`	`ddunham: sarge is STABLE.`
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`21:16.05`	`Fozzy_`	`mtnman, okay, ill do that. thanks`
`21:16.08`	`ddunham`	`okay thats where im trying to get to.`
`21:16.11`	`lord_rob`	`Hi ! Is there a unix command to close a socket ?`
`21:16.15`	`mtnman`	`kitsuneofdoom: try reading the install docs for debian.`
`21:16.26`	`sobersabre`	`lord_rob: yes: close()`
`21:16.26`	`mtnman`	`fozzy_: you are welcome`
`21:16.46`	`ddunham`	`proxy:/lib/tls/i686/mmx# cat /etc/version`
`21:16.46`	`ddunham`	`testing/unstable`
`21:16.50`	`ddunham`	`thats the version i have now..`
`21:16.57`	`kitsuneofdoom`	`mtnman: would that explain why I'm getting some /dev/null errors when I try to debootstrap`
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`21:17.05`	`kitsuneofdoom`	`mtnman: ?`
`21:17.09`	`Fozzy_`	`mtnman, seems everytime im having a problem, as soon as i go into a chat to get help, the problem fixes itself, lol`
`21:17.17`	`sobersabre`	`ddunham: then this isn't woody :)`
`21:17.20`	`lord_rob`	`sobersabre: sorry I meant a command I can issue in bash not in C`
`21:17.24`	`ddunham`	`so this is pre-woody?`
`21:17.45`	`mtnman`	`kitsuneofdoom: i doubt it will explain why you are getting a particular error, however iirc, there are directions for running dbootstrap from an already-installed linux system.`
`21:17.45`	`resiak`	`ddunham: ...`
`21:17.52`	`ddunham`	`I am a BSD guy`
`21:17.58`	`ddunham`	`this linux version thing is screwing me up`
`21:18.02`	`ddunham`	`why cant it just be 1, 2, 3`
`21:18.03`	`ddunham`	`damnit`
`21:18.11`	`sobersabre`	`lord_rob: what are you trying to do ?`
`21:18.17`	`mtnman`	`ddunham: please use punctuation instead of the enter-key`
`21:18.21`	`ddunham`	`wtf is this apple naming convention`
`21:18.24`	`kingsley__`	`Why would my box suddenly start making a rather loud clicking noise at about 10 Hz?`
`21:18.25`	`resiak`	`ddunham: Sarge is Debian version 3.1. Woody was 3.0. Etch has no release number yet, and Sid never wil.`
`21:18.34`	`sobersabre`	`ddunham: it is all easier than you think.`
`21:18.38`	`lord_rob`	`sobersabre: nevermind I'm completely wrong`
`21:18.44`	`roo9`	`I <3 Smarty`
`21:18.50`	`ddunham`	`resiak: thank you so much for clarifying, seriously.`
`21:19.03`	`bbrazil`	`kingsley__: copy any important data off your HDD. fast`
`21:19.11`	`mtnman`	`kingsley_: if i were you, i'd be listening carefully to see if the noise is coming from your disk.`
`21:19.17`	`kitsuneofdoom`	`mtnman: I know the generic...I guess I asked the question wrong...sorry, I'm getting an error on libc and some other key packages that looks like : /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst: line 131: /dev/null: Permission denied`
`21:19.22`	`resiak`	`ddunham: My pleasure.`
`21:19.43`	`sobersabre`	`ddunham: when your system was last updated/upgraded ?`
`21:19.56`	`ddunham`	`I just ran apt-get upgrade today`
`21:19.59`	`ddunham`	`dist-upgrade`
`21:20.03`	`ddunham`	`over a year ago, easily.`
`21:20.05`	`mtnman`	`kitsuneofdoom: well, i have never personally seen that error, but my usual m.o. is to plug error messages into a web search.`
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`21:20.18`	`sobersabre`	`has it finished the dist-upgrade ?`
`21:20.32`	`kitsuneofdoom`	`mtnman: I shall try that`
`21:20.32`	`ddunham`	`i havent ran it yet.`
`21:20.35`	`mtnman`	`kitsuneofdoom: first thing i'd do is check the perms on /dev/null`
`21:20.36`	`ddunham`	`i need a how-to to read first`
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`21:21.18`	`ddunham`	`I think i just run dist-upgrade`
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`21:21.21`	`e1vis`	`hello`
`21:21.24`	`ddunham`	`i wanna make sure my apt/sources.list is right though`
`21:21.32`	`e1vis`	`I was hoping that we would be able to use multiple operating systems`
`21:21.32`	`e1vis`	`on one machine simultaneously (not dual booted or vmwared) with the`
`21:21.32`	`e1vis`	`new dual core processors but it doesn't seem this is going to be`
`21:21.32`	`e1vis`	`happening soon. I was hoping for a C-tab type of switch between`
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`21:22.11`	`kitsuneofdoom`	`mtnman: I'm running as root`
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`21:22.15`	`sobersabre`	`ddunham: if you want to be on stable, you usually simply write "stable" instead of "unstable" or "testing", then update and then upgrade`
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`21:22.29`	`ddunham`	`deb ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ stable main`
`21:22.29`	`ddunham`	`deb-src ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ stable main`
`21:22.31`	`sobersabre`	`ddunham: do you have X installed on that machine ?`
`21:22.31`	`ddunham`	`like that`
`21:22.37`	`ddunham`	`no, production server.`
`21:22.39`	`e1vis`	`apologies`
`21:22.45`	`ddunham`	`and then do apt-get dist-upgrade`
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`21:23.52`	`sobersabre`	`ddunham: right, the problems occur if you play with X - non-stable versions have xorg and xfree86, which mess things up.`
`21:24.01`	`ddunham`	`okay cool`
`21:24.02`	`ddunham`	`so now`
`21:24.16`	`ddunham`	`apt-get dist-upgrade`
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`21:24.31`	`e1vis`	`will it be possible to do a Ctrl-Tab switch between Linux and Windows with the new dual core processors? Does anyone have knowledge of this?`
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`21:24.36`	`sobersabre`	`sometimes there is a need to reboot after the dist-upgrade ;-`
`21:24.38`	`sobersabre`	`]]`
`21:24.53`	`mtnman`	`e1vis: doubtful.`
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`21:25.29`	`e1vis`	`mtnman: man, I'm going to be dead before these things become a reality.`
`21:25.34`	`kitsuneofdoom`	`mtnman: ok, I've figured out my problem, thanks`
`21:25.48`	`resiak`	`e1vis: Google for colinux`
`21:25.55`	`mtnman`	`kitsuneofdoom: what was the problem/solution?`
`21:26.02`	`sobersabre`	`ddunham: you're after apt-get update, right ?`
`21:26.11`	`kitsuneofdoom`	`mtnman: it was mounted nosuid nodev`
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`21:26.31`	`kitsuneofdoom`	`mtnman: I have to figgure out how to mount in knoppix with suid and dev, though`
`21:26.32`	`e1vis`	`resiak: but isn't colinux weak on the X stuff? I have never used it but heard of it only a little while ago.`
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`21:26.42`	`resiak`	`e1vis: HTFSIK? Why not try it?`
`21:26.43`	`mtnman`	`kitsuneofdoom: man mount.`
`21:26.58`	`ddunham`	`sobersabre: forgive my ignorance... but whats the difference.. apt-get upgrade, apt-get update.. both do the same? and apt-get dist-update should update the entire distro, right?`
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`21:27.23`	`mtnman`	`ddunham: man apt-get is your friend.`
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`21:27.40`	`sobersabre`	`ddunham: update :: updates the packages DB to be in sync with repositories from sources.list`
`21:27.42`	`ddunham`	`mtnman: and so are people on irc`
`21:28.01`	`ddunham`	`ahh`
`21:28.08`	`mtnman`	`ddunham: in general, it is bad form to ask on irc a question you can answser yourself by reading.`
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`21:28.32`	`amorphix`	`hi guys`
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`21:28.54`	`ddunham`	`mtnman: it's also bad form to assume a person hasn't, especailly rude after they've asked for forgiveness of the ingorance on their part.`
`21:28.57`	`amorphix`	`im havin some issue still with my nic/nfs connection and think I may have found the cause/a solution`
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`21:29.09`	`kitsuneofdoom`	`mtnman: I think my problem is solved, thank you`
`21:29.14`	`Nylira`	`Anyone awake enough to help with codec nightmares?`
`21:29.22`	`mtnman`	`ddunham: i did not see you ask any forgiveness, nor did you offer any evidence that you had read the manpage.`
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`21:29.44`	`Nylira`	`Having problems with .rmvb files where I have sound but not video and have no idea what kind of codec I am missing.`
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`21:29.50`	`mtnman`	`ddunham: i say this not to berate, but to educate.`
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`21:29.58`	`sander`	`anyone know how I can check which options is enabled on every export entry in an remote nfsd deamon?`
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`21:30.11`	`sobersabre`	`ddunham: this channel is an old school channel, so even asking for forgiveness doesn't neccessarily give you one ;)`
`21:30.18`	`ddunham`	`I understand :)`
`21:30.20`	`sander`	`something simular to rpcinfo`
`21:30.24`	`ddunham`	`I understand apt too now`
`21:30.35`	`bop1`	`sander showmount -e ?`
`21:30.37`	`amorphix`	`can someone tell me if its wise to place "options 3c59x options=0" in /etc/modules.conf, ive just opened that file and it says DO NOT EDIT this file. I got this advice from a linux mailing list`
`21:30.38`	`kitsuneofdoom`	`ddunham, mtnman: you're bogging down the process by arguing small things`
`21:30.41`	`ddunham`	`apt-get update, then upgrade, then dist-upgrade`
`21:30.45`	`sobersabre`	`ddunham: make sure you check the manual, and search for "moo"`
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`21:30.59`	`sobersabre`	`or simply apt-get moo`
`21:30.59`	`mtnman`	`amorphix: man modules will tell you to add the module to /etc/modules.`
`21:31.04`	`amorphix`	`ok thanks`
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`21:31.21`	`bop1`	`sander showmount -e should give u the exported directories on the remote nfs server`
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`21:31.31`	`ddunham`	`hehe`
`21:31.31`	`ddunham`	`m00`
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`21:31.48`	`kbrooks_`	`foo.`
`21:31.52`	`kbrooks_`	`bar.`
`21:31.55`	`kbrooks_`	`baz.`
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`21:32.02`	`sander`	`bop1, ok.. thx.. but I also want options like rw,no_root_squash,sync`
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`21:32.56`	`amorphix`	`this is very odd`
`21:33.10`	`amorphix`	`I'm not seeing my nic driver in /etc/modules.conf, should it be there`
`21:33.13`	`Seb`	`sander: those are not advertised by the nfs server iirc`
`21:33.23`	`mtnman`	`amorphix: put it in /etc/modules`
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`21:33.33`	`amorphix`	`ok`
`21:33.41`	`Seb`	`amorphix: not necessarly. modules.conf is for extra optiosn. For autoloading, what mtnman said.`
`21:33.46`	`Seb`	`options`
`21:33.50`	`mtnman`	`amorphix: second and last time i tell you so.`
`21:33.57`	`amorphix`	`;-(`
`21:34.01`	`sander`	`Seb, ok.`
`21:34.01`	`bop1`	`mtnman modules in /etc/modules shouldnt also go on /etc/modutils dir?`
`21:34.15`	`mtnman`	`bop1: i have never had to do so.`
`21:34.15`	`amorphix`	`i dont have an /etc/modules`
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`21:34.27`	`Seb`	`amorphix: you're not running debian ?`
`21:34.33`	`bop1`	`sander u cant, but u can figure it out, just try to write there :D`
`21:34.36`	`amorphix`	`I am running it`
`21:34.42`	`Seb`	`amorphix: then you have /etc/modules`
`21:34.50`	`amorphix`	`oh sorry`
`21:34.53`	`amorphix`	`silly me`
`21:35.07`	`amorphix`	`heh`
`21:35.24`	`sander`	`bop1, can I figure out if no_root_squash is enabled or not?`
`21:35.30`	`amorphix`	`im confused`
`21:35.36`	`bop1`	`no idea what it is, sorry`
`21:35.42`	`mtnman`	`amorphix: clearly`
`21:35.51`	`amorphix`	`if my nic driver is showing up in lsmod, i dont need to load it in /etc/modules eh`
`21:36.15`	`amorphix`	`but in lsmod its showing as 0 meaning its not in use?`
`21:36.27`	`bop1`	`mtnman are there any other files init scripts read from to load modules?`
`21:36.29`	`mtnman`	`amorphix: if it shows up in the output of lsmod, it means it is loaded. if it is in /etc/modules it means that it will autoload at next boot.`
`21:36.39`	`bbrazil`	`sander: by default it's disabled. check /etc/exports on the server`
`21:36.40`	`amorphix`	`ok understood`
`21:36.43`	`amorphix`	`and the 0?`
`21:36.53`	`mtnman`	`amorphix: that said, you can also load a module manually (from the command-line)`
`21:37.00`	`bop1`	`mtnman how he has it listed in lsmod if it aint shown in /etc/modules? which other files contains the modules to load`
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`21:37.14`	`mtnman`	`bop1: read my last comment`
`21:37.22`	`bop1`	`assuming he didnt load it manually.`
`21:37.23`	`amorphix`	`im not sure why i have 0 by my module in lsmod, surely the module should be used by something`
`21:37.24`	`ddunham`	`thanks ugys`
`21:37.28`	`ddunham`	`i appreciate all oyour help tonight`
`21:37.32`	`bop1`	`can it be that specific init scripts load it?`
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`21:37.42`	`ddunham`	`stew, sobreman, mtnman`
`21:37.45`	`mtnman`	`bop1: pmcia also loads modules, iirc`
`21:37.55`	`mtnman`	`ddunham: you're welcome.`
`21:37.56`	`nvz`	`bop1: /etc/init.d/modutils and it loads them from /etc/modules`
`21:38.06`	`bop1`	`nvz yea but there are other files i remember`
`21:38.08`	`bop1`	`sec il check`
`21:38.18`	`e1vis`	`Basic Question: Debian is based on a bsd core, is that correct?`
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`21:38.21`	`nvz`	`bop1: discover or hotplug autodetect and load modules`
`21:38.30`	`bop1`	`its /etc/modutils`
`21:38.32`	`bop1`	`inside there.`
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`21:38.48`	`amorphix`	`are all driver modules listed in lsmod with a '0' by them not being used?`
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`21:39.44`	`nvz`	`bop1: um no, /etc/modutils is a directory and not containing modules to be loaded in any way`
`21:39.45`	`Seb`	`e1vis: a little too obvious maybe ?`
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`21:40.49`	`nvz`	`e1vis: debian is based on GNU/Linux`
`21:41.09`	`rovragge`	`I switch locale from sv_SE.iso85591 to sv_SE.utf8 filenames have to be renamed to contain unicode representations of files created named with special chars before the locale switch. How can I do this?`
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`21:41.11`	`nvz`	`e1vis: or GNU/Hurd`
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`21:41.24`	`amorphix`	`what causes NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out`
`21:41.26`	`bop1`	`nvz so what is it? like modules.conf?`
`21:41.39`	`nvz`	`bop1: no like /etc/modules`
`21:41.45`	`amorphix`	`how does a nic stop transmitting?`
`21:41.50`	`mtnman`	`amorphix: try plugging error msg into a web search`
`21:41.53`	`bop1`	`you just said it aint contains modules to load`
`21:41.56`	`bop1`	`while /etc/modules does`
`21:42.07`	`amorphix`	`I did that and found this link telling me to modify the driver options`
`21:42.08`	`nvz`	`bop1: thats it. read the damn modutils init script`
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`21:42.23`	`nvz`	`bop1: no I said /etc/modutils/ which is a directory does not`
`21:42.24`	`amorphix`	`trouble is the driver is already loaded and is not needed to be added to etc/modules`
`21:42.29`	`amorphix`	`so i dunno what to do`
`21:42.34`	`amorphix`	`im seeing a nic core dump after its timed out`
`21:42.40`	`e1vis`	`hi Seb, it's just that someone mentioned that to me that it was based on a bsd core and said that debian wasn't linux. Did I miss something? Isn't Debian the quintessential linux?`
`21:42.42`	`amorphix`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`21:42.58`	`amorphix`	`this is most unsettling, especially since i use nfs on home filesystem`
`21:43.02`	`bop1`	`nvz i just did, and it does modprobe them`
`21:43.17`	`mtnman`	`e1vis: there are debian projects which use other kernels besides linux. bsd is one of those kernels.`
`21:43.34`	`nvz`	`bop1: exactly what it does is modprobes everything in /etc/modules`
`21:43.34`	`entik`	`hi, is there a way to install the java runtime environment using dpkg, instead of using the installer from sun.com. There are some packages I've run into that need it.`
`21:43.47`	`nvz`	`bop1: not from /etc/modutils/ or /etc/modules.conf`
`21:43.53`	`abrotman`	`!tell entik about install java`
`21:44.04`	`mtnman`	`!install java`
`21:44.05`	`dpkg`	`First, read <java licensing>. Still here? Install the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about java-package.`
`21:44.13`	`e1vis`	`mtnman: so when one downloads the "standard" linux distro, is that linux, I think so right.`
`21:44.15`	`bop1`	`nvz ye but what /etc/modutils/* files are for`
`21:44.19`	`bop1`	`that was the question`
`21:44.31`	`mtnman`	`e1vis: if you mean debian-stable, then yes, it is a linux distro.`
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`21:44.51`	`mtnman`	`e1vis: i suggest you read the debian homepage (www.debian.org)`
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`21:44.58`	`e1vis`	`mtnman: that is what I thought, I don't know what this person was driving at...`
`21:45.00`	`entik`	`abortman: thanks`
`21:45.30`	`e1vis`	`mtnman: yes, of course, it's just that I took that for granted for years.`
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`21:45.45`	`e1vis`	`mtnman: thanks`
`21:45.45`	`nvz`	`bop1: they are the configuration of modutils has little or no significance to the average user. Your modules are likely being loaded AUTOMATIC by hotplug or discover which manage autodetection of hardware`
`21:45.52`	`mtnman`	`e1vis: you're welcome`
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`21:47.14`	`bop1`	`nvz so in debian modprobe.conf is ignored? and the aliases etc are read from the modutils directory?`
`21:47.23`	`bop1`	`err i meant modprobe.conf is read instead of modules.conf?`
`21:48.19`	`bbrazil`	`bop1: with 2.6, yes`
`21:49.29`	`e1vis`	`nvz: yeah, that's what I always thought and the person really seemed like he knew what he was talking about so it confused me. Debian has always been the linux distro as far as a know. I think the person may know too much, or not really know much at all. :-)`
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`21:49.36`	`entik`	`abortman: with this java-package, do I just runn common.sh from the /usr/share/java-package directory?`
`21:49.41`	`e1vis`	`nvz: thanks`
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`21:50.30`	`resiak`	`entik: 22:48 --> abrotman (n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman) has quit ("Leaving")`
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`21:50.46`	`mtnman`	`e1vis: debian is not linux when it is the hurd.`
`21:50.51`	`resiak`	`e1vis: Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is definitely not Linux.`
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`21:51.12`	`e1vis`	`oh, then the guy really did know.`
`21:51.12`	`cureless`	`isn't there some form of Debian Solaris too?`
`21:51.22`	`mtnman`	`!debian solaris`
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`21:51.48`	`Jnas`	`hey, can someone help me with my debian boot from usb hd?`
`21:51.50`	Dano`JKL	`hey everyone`
`21:52.06`	`fwtest`	`hi, i am trying to send ip packet with total length 20 bytes, but i cant reach this, ethereal shows me always 28 bytes although, anyone has reason for it?`
`21:52.15`	Dano`JKL	`I was sent here for help with my sound.`
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`21:52.35`	`e1vis`	`resiak: but when people say Debian they are usually not referring to Gnu/FreeBSD are they. mtnman?`
`21:52.44`	`e1vis`	`you have to say that`
`21:52.53`	`mtnman`	`e1vis: i cannot comment as to the intentions of others.`
`21:52.54`	Dano`JKL	`Can someone help with my sound?`
`21:52.56`	`resiak`	`e1vis: Did I say otherwise?`
`21:53.03`	`e1vis`	`no`
`21:53.14`	`resiak`	`Well then. :)`
`21:53.20`	`bushito`	`can some one write the wierd a of emails i cannot get it on my keyboard =)`
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`21:53.31`	`bushito`	`ahh`
`21:53.32`	`treysis`	`hi there!`
`21:53.39`	`e1vis`	`I'm just trying to understand what people refer to normally when the say Debian, it means linux, right?`
`21:53.41`	Dano`JKL	`hey treysis`
`21:53.42`	`e1vis`	`normally`
`21:53.49`	`resiak`	`bushito: @?`
`21:53.50`	`cureless`	`fwtest: what test are you trying?`
`21:53.50`	`Ronin`	`bushito: the @ symbol you mean?`
`21:54.01`	`nkuttler`	Dano`JKL: did you read the audio section of the faq?
`21:54.04`	`cureless`	`fwtest: how are you sending the "IP" packet with 20 bytes?`
`21:54.07`	`treysis`	`anybody else encountered problems using current netinstall for sarge/testing?`
`21:54.10`	`bushito`	`yeah`
`21:54.14`	`resiak`	`treysis: Sarge is not Testing.`
`21:54.17`	Dano`JKL	`nkuttler, on the gentoo site?`
`21:54.19`	`bushito`	`i dontknow why but i cannot get it a get a �`
`21:54.22`	`fwtest`	`cureless, i want to send an ip packet, which is only 20 bytes long`
`21:54.24`	`nkuttler`	Dano`JKL: /msg dpkg faq
`21:54.28`	`treysis`	resiak: since when?`
`21:54.29`	`cureless`	`fwtest: and how are you doing that?`
`21:54.30`	`resiak`	Dano`JKL: Are you using Debian?
`21:54.34`	`nkuttler`	Dano`JKL: gentoo site... shhh
`21:54.36`	`resiak`	`treysis: Since Sarge released...`
`21:54.36`	`mtnman`	`e1vis: debian is an os which is able to use more than one kernel. linux is one of those kernels. perhaps, the most widely used with debian.`
`21:54.43`	Dano`JKL	`resiak, i dunno, i was told to come here`
`21:54.46`	`fwtest`	`cureless, with an app`
`21:54.53`	`cureless`	`fwtest: who wrote the app?`
`21:54.54`	`resiak`	Dano`JKL: What version of Linux are you using?
`21:55.00`	`nkuttler`	Dano`JKL: um, cat /etc/debian_version
`21:55.03`	`e1vis`	`mtnman: ok, thank you all!`
`21:55.08`	`fwtest`	`this apps allows me to define which field i want to set, which protocol, and so on`
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`21:55.15`	`roboo`	`hi`
`21:55.36`	`cureless`	`fwtest: that doesn't say much, does it. Where does ethereal see 28 bytes?`
`21:55.42`	Dano`JKL	`nkuttler, says no such file`
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`21:55.50`	`nkuttler`	Dano`JKL: you're not running debian
`21:55.59`	`treysis`	`oh. so etch is now the new testing?`
`21:56.08`	`resiak`	`treysis: Yes. KUATBT`
`21:56.15`	`treysis`	`KUATBT <-?`
`21:56.20`	`roboo`	`i changed my hardwares-motherboard,cpu,ram- and i cant boot my debian now what should i do? it give kernel panic error`
`21:56.20`	Dano`JKL	`It just says alsa dev is running in another program when i try playing a song in Amarok`
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`21:56.24`	`nkuttler`	Dano`JKL: what's the output of uname -a?
`21:56.35`	`resiak`	`dpkg: kuatbt is Keep Up At The Back There!`
`21:56.35`	`dpkg`	`resiak: okay`
`21:56.40`	Dano`JKL	`Linux Lt-Dano 2.6.11-gentoo-r9 #2 SMP Mon Jul 25 19:27:44 EDT 2005 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux`
`21:56.42`	`roboo`	`and how can i set my keytable to trq ?`
`21:56.47`	`fwtest`	`cureless, ethereal shows : Total lengh = 28`
`21:56.48`	`resiak`	Dano`JKL: #gentoo is that way ---------->
`21:56.50`	`nkuttler`	Dano`JKL: /join #gentoo
`21:56.57`	Dano`JKL	`Im there, they said to come here haha`
`21:57.04`	`nkuttler`	`wtf...`
`21:57.13`	`cureless`	`fwtest: total length of what? the whole packet? IP payload?`
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`21:57.32`	`cureless`	Dano`JKL: they're fucking with you
`21:57.38`	`fwtest`	`cureless, it should be only the ip, since i am on the ip tab`
`21:57.43`	Dano`JKL	`cureless, sucks being a rookie i spose`
`21:57.51`	`treysis`	`ok. but i downloaded the "official" testing netinstall image and the installation doesn't work`
`21:57.56`	`cureless`	`fwtest: is the packet using UDP too?`
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`21:58.06`	`nkuttler`	Dano`JKL: /msg dpkg netinst, install debian, then we can help you
`21:58.10`	`treysis`	`breaks because of some dependencies: libsigc++-112...`
`21:58.12`	`roboo`	`i had celeron and i changed it with amd64.. anyone help me please?`
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`21:58.18`	`nir_`	`hello`
`21:58.26`	`mtnman`	`roboo: what kernel were you running?`
`21:58.31`	`cureless`	Dano`JKL: what question did you ask them? did you think you had debian?
`21:58.35`	`factor`	`is anyone having problems with the GLX on the latest debian unstable build`
`21:58.39`	`factor`	`for xor`
`21:58.43`	`fwtest`	`cureless, tcp in ip-header, but no tcp data`
`21:58.44`	`factor`	`xorg even`
`21:58.47`	`resiak`	`factor: Have you checked the BTS?`
`21:58.52`	Dano`JKL	`cureless, They mighta thought i had debian...`
`21:58.54`	`treysis`	`or aren't there any testing netinstall images?`
`21:58.54`	`factor`	`lead me the way`
`21:59.00`	`cureless`	`fwtest: tcp is 20 bytes by itself.`
`21:59.05`	`resiak`	`!btssmite factor`
`21:59.05`	Dano`JKL	`cureless, just my alsa thinks theres another program running...`
`21:59.14`	`roboo`	`mtnman: 2.4.27`
`21:59.15`	`treysis`	`to be certain, i took one of these:`
`21:59.15`	`treysis`	`http://www.debian.de/devel/debian-installer/`
`21:59.22`	`e1vis`	`thank you #debian!`
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`21:59.30`	`cureless`	Dano`JKL: ask in #gentoo or some alsa channel.
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`21:59.33`	`mtnman`	`roboo: official debian or home-brewed?`
`21:59.33`	`resiak`	Dano`JKL wasn't sent here by #gentoo. Someone's just grepped the logs for me.
`21:59.34`	Dano`JKL	`I dont even know what debian is`
`21:59.35`	`fwtest`	`cureless, no tcp data, only tcp in ip-header`
`21:59.57`	Dano`JKL	`err kde sent me here... one of them`
`21:59.57`	`roboo`	`mtnman: official debian`
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`22:00.16`	`cureless`	`fwtest: huh? tcp is 20 bytes, period.`
`22:00.17`	`mtnman`	`roboo: any variation, i.e. -686 or -smp or anything like that?`
`22:00.21`	`roboo`	`mtnman: i am connecting from live cd now`
`22:00.21`	Dano`JKL	`i was in the kde and amarok chat also...`
`22:00.30`	`fwtest`	`but it is strange, since i dont define the source and dest port, ethereal shows source port = 2048 and dest port = 63487`
`22:00.36`	`nkuttler`	Dano`JKL: whatever. we can't help you.
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`22:00.47`	Dano`JKL	`k, sorry guys`
`22:00.55`	`cureless`	`fwtest: the ports have to be filled in, you can't leave them "blank".`
`22:00.59`	`roboo`	`mtnman: a sec please i ll look`
`22:01.03`	`factor`	`what do I type in for BTS for a problem with xorg and GLX`
`22:01.05`	`amorphix`	`hi`
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`22:01.16`	`amorphix`	`wheres the options for my 3c59x driver module kept?`
`22:01.25`	`fwtest`	`cureless, so is it possible to send packet which is only 20 bytes?`
`22:01.53`	`cureless`	`fwtest: the whole packet? or IP payload? or UDP payload? or TCP payload? or ethernet payload?`
`22:02.02`	`fwtest`	`cureless, whole packet`
`22:02.05`	`mtnman`	`amorphix: you can specify them in /etc/modules if you'd like to`
`22:02.15`	`amorphix`	`ok`
`22:02.19`	`cureless`	`fwtest: what do you consider a whole packet? ethernet payload?`
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`22:02.25`	`fwtest`	`cureless, i mean, ip packet itself has its minimum of 20 bytes`
`22:02.32`	`amorphix`	`so i just make an entry like 3c59x.c blah`
`22:02.51`	`roboo`	`ops`
`22:02.56`	`fwtest`	`cureless, yes, ethernet payload`
`22:03.00`	`cureless`	`fwtest: so you want IP header only.`
`22:03.01`	`roboo`	`mtnman: i connected with live cd and it dont see my hdds`
`22:03.11`	`fwtest`	`cureless, exactly`
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`22:03.28`	`cureless`	`fwtest: it is possible. You probably need a raw socket for that.`
`22:03.44`	`mtnman`	`roboo: well, here is my suggestion: get debian cd1 and use it as a rescue disk. you can boot using the kernel on the cd and use the hdd as the root filesystem.`
`22:03.44`	`nir_`	`iv just install XFCE , but from some reason i cant install Termianl ... why ?`
`22:03.49`	`amorphix`	`sorry i am clueless guys`
`22:04.17`	`amorphix`	`mtnman: is it ok to put a line in "options 3c59x options=0" in /etc/modules, or should it start with the driver name?`
`22:04.21`	`fwtest`	`cureless, with this apps i am using, i can send every packet i want, but i miss the theory if it is possible to send ip header only`
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`22:04.45`	`mtnman`	`amorphix: leave out "options" just use module name and options`
`22:04.46`	`cureless`	`fwtest: yes, it is possible. Firewalls might block it though.`
`22:04.52`	`amorphix`	`okay thanks`
`22:04.57`	`fwtest`	`cureless, this app use libpcap, if you consider that for raw socket`
`22:05.00`	`roboo`	`mtnman: ok i ll try.. cya`
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`22:05.06`	`mtnman`	`roboo: good luck`
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`22:05.20`	`cureless`	`fwtest: I didn't know libpcap created packets too, I thought it was only for capture.`
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`22:05.32`	`amorphix`	`i will need to reboot to get the module to reload with the new options, or is there a way to force it to reload?`
`22:05.53`	`amorphix`	`my connection will go down at any rate?`
`22:05.58`	`mtnman`	`amorphix: you can load it manually with modprobe. man modprobe for details.`
`22:06.03`	`SimonRaven`	`unload, then reload. there's the rare case where you do need to reboot, but it's very rare`
`22:06.06`	`amorphix`	`ok`
`22:06.10`	`fwtest`	`cureless, this is what i am doing, trying to send the ip-header only, but somehow, like you said, i cant leave source and dest port blank, so how can i do this?`
`22:06.19`	`SimonRaven`	`only one i know of is ipv6.`
`22:06.29`	`Gregorovius`	`hey, I have a question... I reinstalled windows and it overwrote the mbr, and I lost my bootdisk, anyone knows if I can download a pre-made bootdisk for Sid?`
`22:06.34`	`amorphix`	`can i force full-duplex mode on my nick in the driver options?`
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`22:06.58`	`Gregorovius`	`haven't had much luck googling it`
`22:07.03`	`cureless`	`fwtest: ports are only for UDP/TCP.`
`22:07.10`	`mtnman`	`gregorovius: you can use debian cd1 as a rescue diskette. it will load the kernel from the cd and use the hard disk partition as the root fs.`
`22:07.21`	`amorphix`	`Ive seen someone saying to use "full_duplex=1" but thats for a different nic driver to mine, are all nic drivers the same for this option?`
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`22:07.23`	`mtnman`	`*rescue disk`
`22:07.42`	`amorphix`	`i want to get my nic to use full duplex`
`22:07.45`	`mtnman`	`amorphix; every module can have its own options.`
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`22:07.51`	`amorphix`	`bugger`
`22:07.58`	`fwtest`	`cureless, yes i know, since i use protocol 6 or 17 in ip-header, then i must fill the ports?`
`22:08.01`	`amorphix`	`i better research mine on google`
`22:08.16`	`cockroach`	`can anyone recommend a good VoIP client? the (free) ones I tried so far all had annoying issues (echoes, terrible audio quality, ...)`
`22:08.21`	`mtnman`	`amorphix: you can also look in the kernel source for info on your card.`
`22:08.31`	`Gregorovius`	`I'm afraid I used a netinstall CD and I don't have it anymore, it's been years since I last used it`
`22:08.34`	`mtnman`	`cockroach: i've used kphone`
`22:08.36`	`Gregorovius`	`and my CD burner is broke atm =/`
`22:08.37`	`cureless`	`if you use the UDP or TCP protocol id's the computer will try to interpret the data`
`22:08.38`	`rio`	`help me!`
`22:08.41`	`amorphix`	`i tried to use ethtool for info on the nic but it said no settings or info was available`
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`22:08.48`	`amorphix`	`thats odd?`
`22:08.52`	`cockroach`	`mtnman: i tried that one as well but I could hardly hear myself on the phone`
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`22:09.00`	`cureless`	`fwtest: though it should drop packets for being wrong.`
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`22:09.32`	`xoz`	`Gregorovius: there is no magic. get a rescue cd.`
`22:09.55`	`Gregorovius`	`haha`
`22:10.01`	`mtnman`	`cockroach: well, hearing yourself on the phone is not as important as hearing the other person.`
`22:10.03`	`fwtest`	`cureless, that is my goal, i want to see if the firewall will drop the packet or not, but my problem is, i cant even send 20 bytes packet`
`22:10.06`	`Gregorovius`	`I was hoping for a rescue diskette`
`22:10.07`	`xoz`	`Gregorovius: or get a rescue floppy image.`
`22:10.11`	`cockroach`	`mtnman: heh, for the other person it is :)`
`22:10.25`	`mtnman`	`cockroach: read what i wrote.`
`22:10.25`	`Gregorovius`	`that's the deal, I haven't been able to find a rescue floppy image`
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`22:10.35`	`ddunham`	`wh00p! my upgrade went off without a problem!`
`22:10.39`	`mtnman`	`gregorovius: use debian cd1 as rescue cd`
`22:10.41`	`ddunham`	`is it still necessary to do the dist-upgrade`
`22:10.43`	`xoz`	`Gregorovius: it's in the first cd.`
`22:10.48`	`cureless`	`fwtest: you can send a 20 byte packet. and using a raw socket you could send a "broken" IP header. Check your app.`
`22:10.51`	`jstevens`	`Gregorovius: If you have a friend with a burner, the testing netinstall CD has an excellent rescue mode.`
`22:10.53`	`ddunham`	`or does htat just change your /etc/version`
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`22:11.34`	`fwtest`	`cureless, i think the app should can do this also, but you ko`
`22:11.43`	`cockroach`	`mtnman: well, that i meant is, when i called myself i could harly hear what i spoke into the mic on the phone i was using to call me.`
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`22:11.50`	`fwtest`	`cureless, but you knows why etehereal shows me this ports?`
`22:12.09`	`amorphix`	`i need info on my nic`
`22:12.09`	`mtnman`	`cockroach: well, i have not had that problem with kphone.`
`22:12.20`	`amorphix`	`but ethtool wont provide any. what to do?`
`22:12.20`	`Gregorovius`	`all I need is to run grub-install... was hoping I could do that from a floppy`
`22:12.28`	`cureless`	`fwtest: well, that could just be ethereal not handling the erroneous packets correctly.`
`22:12.47`	`fwtest`	`cureless, i see, let me try with tcpdump`
`22:12.50`	`mtnman`	`gregorovius: if you boot from a rescue disk you can do that easily.`
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`22:13.16`	`cureless`	`fwtest: ethereal should show you the captured frame size, see what it is, or look at the binary dump.`
`22:13.21`	`xoz`	`Gregorovius: the floppy image is in the first cd. find someone with a working cd drive and create a floppy image using cd1`
`22:13.33`	`concept10`	`I have no idea on what needs to happen in order to package a application that java based - any pointers?`
`22:13.38`	`xoz`	`Gregorovius: or google for it.`
`22:13.47`	`fwtest`	`cureless, the framesize caputred is 42 bytes`
`22:13.47`	`Gregorovius`	`been googling, no luck so far`
`22:14.07`	`mtnman`	`gregorovius: you can download floppy images directly from the debian repository`
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`22:14.11`	`xoz`	`!search google for debian rescue floppy`
`22:14.20`	`dpkg`	`Google says debian rescue floppy is at http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/02/msg00390.html or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/02/msg00198.html or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/02/msg00987.html or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/02/msg00108.html or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/02/msg00075.html`
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`22:14.56`	`xoz`	`Gregorovius: are you sure?`
`22:14.59`	`fwtest`	`cureless, why is it 42 bytes? ethereal shows me that the ip header had 20 bytes`
`22:15.14`	`mtnman`	`gregorovius: i would be surprised if the install manual did not describe how to boot from a rescue disk`
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`22:15.57`	`JimBowen`	`Hello all. I was wondering if someone could help me with this:`
`22:16.31`	`JimBowen`	`Basically I have suffered some major filesystem borkage on /var, and /var/lib/apt no longer exists`
`22:16.33`	`Gregorovius`	`2.2.1. Floppies - In some cases, you'll have to do your first boot from floppy disks. Generally, all you will need is a high-density (1440 kilobytes) 3.5 inch floppy drive.`
`22:16.34`	`concept10`	`How do I make a .deb of a java application? it basically needs just to extract it into a location and create a menu entry`
`22:16.39`	`Gregorovius`	`that's all the instalation manual says`
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`22:16.44`	`djtravtrav`	`how do i install files that i download tar.gz?`
`22:16.48`	`JimBowen`	`is there a utility I can use to rebuild the list of installed packages?`
`22:16.58`	`cureless`	`fwtest: mac can be up to 26 bytes. I don't remember if ethereal show you that.`
`22:17.08`	`Gregorovius`	`Xoz: don't mistake stupidity for lazyness`
`22:17.13`	`streuner`	`djtravtrav: what's the name of the app?`
`22:17.14`	`JimBowen`	`because apt is completely broken`
`22:17.23`	`mtnman`	`gregorovius: download a freaking rescue image and copy it to a diskette.`
`22:17.32`	`xoz`	`Gregorovius: you are not stupid. you can read. follow debian.org installation manual.`
`22:17.41`	`fwtest`	`cureless, mac is Ethernet II ?`
`22:17.45`	`amorphix`	`ive got an entry in fstab for nfs auto mounting but my system is not mounting the remote directory, any ideas?`
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`22:18.21`	`mtnman`	`amorphix: i would guess a problem exists with the remote system's nfs config`
`22:18.33`	`djtravtrav`	`streuner: gdchange-0.2.1.tar.gz`
`22:18.39`	`amorphix`	`mtnman: but my workstation mounts it ok`
`22:18.55`	`amorphix`	`i just reinstalled linux on this laptop which doesnt mount anymore`
`22:19.05`	`amorphix`	`so maybe i need to do something else?`
`22:19.08`	`mtnman`	`amorphix: remote may allow mounting by one machine and not another.`
`22:19.09`	`cureless`	`fwtest: how big is that?`
`22:19.09`	`amorphix`	`export something?`
`22:19.17`	`JimBowen`	`Hello? Anybody? Need a way to restore apt functionality after disappearing of /var/lib/apt`
`22:19.28`	`amorphix`	`i check the config and the ip is permitted for laptop`
`22:19.38`	`streuner`	`djtravtrav: read the README file of tar.gz`
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`22:20.22`	`fwtest`	`cureless, 14 bytes`
`22:20.25`	`amorphix`	`JimBowen: rescue disk maybe?`
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`22:21.09`	`amorphix`	`why doesnt anyone make backups anymore`
`22:21.12`	`cureless`	`fwtest: so on wire it shows 42, you have 14 mac, 20 ip and 8 somethings?`
`22:21.33`	`fwtest`	`cureless, yes, 8 bytes tcp`
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`22:22.05`	`Technel`	`How do I change my default window manager from Gnome to KDE (both are installed, I installed KDE after Gnome)?`
`22:22.24`	`mtnman`	`technel: system default or user default?`
`22:22.44`	`Technel`	`mtnman, System-wide`
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`22:23.07`	`cureless`	`fwtest: well, that is very wrong, but I can't tell you who's at fault. I would check the code of the program that you're using`
`22:23.07`	`fwtest`	`cureless, you meant, ethereal could misinterpreted this? i didnt define tcp data`
`22:23.13`	`mtnman`	`technel: man alternatives. you'll do something like update-alternatives --confix x-window-manager foo`
`22:23.22`	`fwtest`	`cureless, what is very wrong?`
`22:23.39`	`cureless`	`fwtest: tcp header is 20 bytes`
`22:23.46`	`mtnman`	`*--config`
`22:23.55`	`fwtest`	`cureless, like i said, i didnt send tcp header`
`22:24.17`	`amorphix`	`heh`
`22:24.17`	`amorphix`	`my nic just died from doing a dir listing`
`22:24.29`	`cureless`	`fwtest: hence there should be no tcp data. Check the code of the program you are using.`
`22:24.50`	`cureless`	`fwtest: if you can't do an strace and see how much it's writing to the raw socket.`
`22:24.53`	`sobersabre`	`amorphix: what's the connection between dir listing and a NIC ... even on NFS... ?`
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`22:24.58`	`Technel`	`mtnman, When you do "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager", it gives two options, I do #2, kwin, but it doesn't work. That is what someone suggested last time I asked`
`22:25.20`	`mtnman`	`technel: define "doesn't work"`
`22:25.52`	`mtnman`	`technel: after configuring, do update-alternatives --disply x-window-manager`
`22:25.55`	`Technel`	`mtnman, The computer boots up and Gnome comes up. I don't even get the command prompt`
`22:25.57`	`mtnman`	`*display`
`22:26.16`	`Technel`	`mtnman, I got "kdm" and I think that will work. Thank you :)`
`22:26.28`	`mtnman`	`technel: you're welcome`
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`22:26.47`	`amorphix`	`this sux`
`22:26.47`	`amorphix`	`nic has gone down again`
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`22:27.22`	`amorphix`	`i may as just fuk this laptop off`
`22:27.26`	`tyranix`	`JimBowen: Are you a coder? apt-file has a database of every file from all official Debian packages. You could create a program based on doing lookups to/from there. You would want new tables/indexes to make this faster. It could be done. :)`
`22:27.37`	`sobersabre`	`ddunham whatsup with dist upgrade ?`
`22:27.40`	`ddunham2`	`amorphix: I shot my ibook g3 yesterday`
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`22:27.51`	`ddunham2`	`sobersabre: you didn't see earlier? It went off without a problem.`
`22:27.56`	`ddunham2`	`I didn't do the dist upgrade though`
`22:28.00`	`ddunham2`	`just apt-get update and apt-get upgrade`
`22:28.09`	`ddunham2`	`no reason to break the 400 day uptime :)`
`22:28.12`	`amorphix`	`im getting nowhere`
`22:28.27`	`ddunham2`	`there aren't a lot of packages installed`
`22:28.28`	`dondelelcaro`	`tyranix: it has already been done... see packages.debian.org (or /msg dpkg find foofile)`
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`22:29.06`	`ddunham`	`I am working after hours`
`22:29.13`	`ddunham`	`peace and quiet.`
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`22:30.08`	`amorphix`	`hehe`
`22:30.09`	`amorphix`	`i wanna shot my omnibook`
`22:30.19`	`dli`	`how do I make gcc-3.4 the default gcc? I got problems with gcc-4.0`
`22:30.21`	`ddunham`	`it was my first time shooting a gun too`
`22:30.24`	`Hal9002`	`hello! i see there is php5 in debian unstable now... is there any backport for sarge around that uses those packages (e.g. same author)?`
`22:30.26`	`ddunham`	`so it qas quite fun.`
`22:30.30`	`JimBowen`	`dpkg doesn't seem to respond when I PM it`
`22:30.34`	`dli`	`amorphix, did you solve your network problem?`
`22:30.49`	`sobersabre`	`ddunham: what's better a rootkit or a reboot ?`
`22:30.49`	`ddunham`	`how can i read man pages in X`
`22:31.02`	`ddunham`	`like graphical man pages`
`22:31.04`	`dli`	`ddunham, there's an xman package`
`22:31.09`	`ddunham`	`sober: I can't arbitrarly reboot the box`
`22:31.12`	`ddunham`	`I have to schedule a downtime`
`22:31.25`	`mtnman`	`ddunham: open a freaking xterm and read the manpage.`
`22:31.38`	`ddunham`	`mtnman: I know that, I want gfx now, I am on my X box.`
`22:31.42`	`dli`	`ddunham, it doesn't nothing more than put the man pages into a text window`
`22:31.44`	`ddunham`	`I havent played with X in years.`
`22:31.47`	`ddunham`	`oh`
`22:31.51`	`ddunham`	`it doesnt make it look purty?`
`22:32.00`	`mtnman`	`ddunham: how important are graphics when you want to read text?`
`22:32.06`	`ddunham`	`depends how good they look :)`
`22:32.15`	`ddunham`	`I like crisp edges on my letters, ya know?`
`22:32.35`	`dli`	`mtnman, people still want to read html more, compared with simple text`
`22:32.45`	`sobersabre`	`ddunham: you played with apt-get upgrade... it could've caused you downtime..`
`22:32.52`	`mtnman`	`dli: in the end, they read the same text.`
`22:33.06`	`JimBowen`	`ok, tried the find foofile thing.. no results. :(`
`22:33.15`	`ddunham`	`sober: I felt confident and had a little bit idea of what I was doing :)`
`22:33.26`	`JimBowen`	`or did you mean to replace foofile with a filename?`
`22:33.45`	`mtnman`	`!foo`
`22:33.45`	`ddunham`	`its not the downtime that is the issue, i just have to record why`
`22:33.45`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that foo is the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. See <http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/foo.html> and <bar>`
`22:33.50`	`ddunham`	`and i've already sent an email to my boss`
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`22:34.18`	`fas3r`	`hi all`
`22:36.26`	`fas3r`	`with iptables for forward a conection on several network (192.168.1 192.168.2 192.168.3 ) it's with -t nat prerouting?`
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`22:36.43`	`concept10`	`How do I make a .deb of a java application? it basically needs just to extract it into a location and create a menu entry`
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`22:37.22`	`fas3r`	`on several subnetwork sorry ...`
`22:37.53`	`mtnman`	`concept10: i see this is at least the second time you ask this question. there is a lot of info on debian packaging in the developer's corner on www.debian.org. i have also seen a howto for building basic debian packages. i suggest a web search for said howto.`
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`22:38.10`	`stew`	`concept10: find an existing package which does something similar, apt-get source pkgname, and look how they did it, also /msg dpkg mg`
`22:38.35`	`ddunham`	`I hate commercial linux software`
`22:38.41`	`Jnas`	`mkinitrd --preload=ehci-hcd --preload=usb-storage --preload=scsi_mod --preload=sd_mod /boot/usbinitrd.img 2.4.27-2-386 can someone light me why this aint working?`
`22:38.45`	`stew`	`s/linux//`
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`22:39.00`	`concept10`	`mtnman, stew: sorry, guys, im reading the maint guide, just dont see an appropriate example`
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`22:39.33`	`mtnman`	`concept10: i suggest hitting a search engine for the forementioned howto`
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`22:41.00`	`petemc`	`fas3r: yeah, iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.0.0/16 -j MASQUERADE`
`22:41.11`	`concept10`	`mtnman, I know how to make packages that come with the source but not ones that just extract a precompiled java binary`
`22:41.41`	`stew`	`concept10: how about that bit torrent client that people are always ask about azaureus or whatever`
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`22:42.45`	`concept10`	`stew, that would be a good example if its avail in a deb. (I dont use it)`
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`22:43.01`	`stew`	`!info azureus`
`22:43.02`	`dpkg`	`azureus: (BitTorrent client), section contrib/net, is optional. Version: 2.3.0.4-3 (sid), Packaged size: 4659 kB, Installed size: 5280 kB`
`22:43.10`	`Orion071`	`Guys, Can somebody give me a hand? I'm trying to install Debian Sarge in a Dell GX150 Desktop Computer I have, but I'm getting just "trash" at the time that XFree is launched... :S`
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`22:43.35`	`Orion071`	`I already installed it... It was pretty easy`
`22:43.57`	`mtnman`	`orion071: are you saying that debian is installed but X is not working as you'd like?`
`22:44.07`	`Orion071`	`but, whe the installation process ends and I reboot the computer, It tries to start but it fails`
`22:44.17`	`Orion071`	`mtrman: YES!!!`
`22:44.26`	`Orion071`	`mrtman: That is it!!! :D`
`22:44.29`	`mtnman`	`orion071: fails in what way?`
`22:44.31`	`concept10`	`stew, well in any case, just because another java app has been packaged doesnt really help, the instructions would`
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`22:44.55`	`stew`	`concept10: the instructions are the maintenance guide and the policy manual`
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`22:44.58`	`Orion071`	`mrtman: It just displays lines (black and white) on the monitor`
`22:45.24`	`Orion071`	`mrtman: I know it can be a problem with the configuration of the monitor... Am I on the right way to home?`
`22:45.25`	`Orion071`	`:D`
`22:45.28`	`mtnman`	`orion071: if you do ctl-alt-f1 what happens? you should be at a console`
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`22:45.37`	`stew`	`concept10: and when you get stuck, ask in #debian-mentors`
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`22:46.23`	`Orion071`	`mrtman: Yes, I'm able to go to the console :D`
`22:46.56`	`mtnman`	`orion071: as root you must dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and don't guess at the answers to its questions`
`22:46.57`	`petemc`	`concept10: you dont think looking at how another java application was packaged would help?`
`22:47.15`	`concept10`	`stew, alright, thanks.`
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`22:47.39`	`concept10`	`petemc, it could if you could see what it outputs or what it does`
`22:47.53`	`petemc`	`concept10: apt-get source..`
`22:48.13`	`Orion071`	`mrtman: :O, Look, I have a really old (not that much) 15 inches monitor`
`22:48.56`	`Orion071`	`mrtman: It is a Vision Graphic monitor... I already tried with several configs... but it didn't work`
`22:49.10`	`mtnman`	`orion071: i'm not really interested in your monitor. you can probably find its specs on the manufacturer's website.`
`22:49.36`	`concept10`	`petemc, im not following you on that one, what does apt-get source have to do with the method of packaging that or any other source?`
`22:49.38`	`mtnman`	`orion071: trial and error is not a good way to config your monitor.`
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`22:50.45`	`CPGGuest`	`hello`
`22:50.52`	`roRisc2`	`ls`
`22:51.13`	`roRisc2`	`I installed debian. new install. but after the base system installation it doesn't boot.`
`22:51.17`	`roRisc2`	`using GRUB`
`22:51.21`	`Orion071`	`mtrman: So sorry... :( I'm a newbie... but, anyway, let me look for the specs of the monitor... Try to set it up... and then if it still doesn't work I'll come back.. :D`
`22:51.38`	`concept10`	`petemc, just read the man page, so does apt-get source compile an app for you ?`
`22:51.43`	`mtnman`	`orion071: good idea.`
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`22:51.54`	`tyranix`	`dondelelcaro: Hmm but I meant the other way. He has all of the files and now he needs to determine what packages those represent. I haven't seen a program written for that purpose (but it would be possible of course).`
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`22:52.01`	`Orion071`	`mtrman: Thanks bro!!! See ya :)`
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`22:52.23`	`roRisc2`	`.. Operating system not found.`
`22:52.31`	`eeyore-`	`just came back from vacation. when was that "invited to leave #debian (forbidden channel)" mass exodus take place?`
`22:52.40`	`roRisc2`	`how can I boot into the system? it's an old PIII 500mhz`
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`22:52.41`	`tyranix`	`apt-file is for individual files. What he needs is a program that takes a list of all the files on the system and generates a list of packages that own those files.`
`22:52.42`	`mtnman`	`orion071: you're welcome. please try to spell my nick correctly.`
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`22:54.00`	`Orion071`	`mtrman: :O I almost forgot.. I have another computer... it is the same one (Dell GX150) and I'm trying with that one too.. But when I run the installation it just gets to "Loading" just before vmlinuz appears... :S`
`22:54.20`	`Orion071`	`mtnman: Sorry about that... :)`
`22:54.31`	`mtnman`	`orion071: please try to spell my nick correctly if you expect a response. thank you.`
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`22:54.55`	`mtnman`	`orion071: i suggest you stick to one problem at a time`
`22:55.05`	`dondelelcaro`	`tyranix: the Content.gz files can enable you to go in that direction, but it's kind of pointless. [A faster way is just to ls /usr/share/doc/; which should list all of the packages.]`
`22:55.27`	`Orion071`	`mtnman: well... :( let me try with the first one :S`
`22:55.40`	`mtnman`	`orion071: good idea`
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`22:57.16`	`tyranix`	`dondelelcaro: Yeah, you're right.`
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`22:58.19`	`mtnman`	`jaybar: perhaps on #gimp`
`22:58.38`	`Azar`	`honorables, I am helpless with tldp pulling their hardware compatibility off their site for "revision" I need to figure out what kind of AMD processor I can buy for my new box, anyone knows another site?`
`22:58.58`	`mtnman`	`azar: try archive.org's wayback machine`
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`22:59.36`	`jaybar`	`mtnman: thanx i will try there`
`22:59.37`	`Azar`	`mtnman, I am trying to find an updated (2004 the oldest) site so I can see how linux2.4 and 2.6 will accept newer processors`
`22:59.52`	`mtnman`	`jaybar: good luck.`
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`23:00.24`	`Azar`	`the "discover" does not tell me but only of chipsets`
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`23:00.35`	`mtnman`	`azar: i don't know much about that since i run old machines. if you want to look at a webpage which has been pulled, you may have luck finding it on archive.org's wayback machine.`
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`23:00.47`	`BenC`	`dddd`
`23:01.09`	`Azar`	`ok, thanks mtnman, I would have gone for an Athlon XP but it seems hard to find`
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`23:01.35`	`mtnman`	`azar: i would bet that whatever you are replacing is faster than what i run.`
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`23:01.53`	`roRisc2`	`can anyone help me out? where can I start solving the "operating system not found" issue?`
`23:02.00`	`walterbrunswick`	`what the efnet is wrong with debian!?!?`
`23:02.25`	`mtnman`	`rorisc2: have you installed any os?`
`23:02.28`	`waltz`	`where is abrotman`
`23:02.30`	`peterS`	`roRisc2: I think that message normally means the BIOS can't find a valid boot block on the hard disk (or CD or floppy) which it is trying to boot`
`23:02.43`	`roRisc2`	`mtnman. yep. went through the sarge installation.`
`23:02.47`	`widrone`	`roRisc2: You using a bootloader to load some operating system?`
`23:02.52`	`tux_rulez`	`The Redhat/Fedora/CentOS distributions seam to be moving to a more and more highly patched kernel. Have anyone tried Debian with a vanilla Linux kernel?`
`23:02.57`	`roRisc2`	`widrone, chose GRUB.`
`23:03.01`	`roRisc2`	`at install time`
`23:03.04`	`mtnman`	`rorisc2: if i were you, i'd check the bios' boot order`
`23:03.09`	`peterS`	`roRisc2: dumb question maybe: do you have multiple boot-capable devices on your system, and if so, is your BIOS set up to boot the right one?`
`23:03.23`	`petemc`	`tux_rulez: many people`
`23:03.25`	`roRisc2`	`it boots from everything else first. then the hd.`
`23:03.32`	`roRisc2`	`I had windows on this machine 30 mins ago.`
`23:03.35`	`roRisc2`	`it booted from it`
`23:03.51`	`widrone`	`roRisc2: So grub is not loading new installed sarge install? Is it dual boot?`
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`23:04.02`	`roRisc2`	`i'm guessing it's grub.`
`23:04.09`	`roRisc2`	`or something to do with the mbr`
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`23:04.18`	`roRisc2`	`as nothing. not even grub is loaded.`
`23:04.30`	`stew`	`tux_rulez: /msg dpkg kernel of instability`
`23:04.52`	`roRisc2`	`it's an old PIII machine. had win2K on it before.`
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`23:05.24`	`widrone`	`roRisc2: Where did you write the bootloader? The installer gave some choice yes?`
`23:05.39`	`roRisc2`	`i initially tried software raid, and got the same error. then went through the install process once all over again for normal ext3 partitions`
`23:05.56`	`roRisc2`	`widrone.. can't recall...`
`23:05.59`	`peterS`	`roRisc2: so what sort of partitioning scheme? out of curiosity`
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`23:06.03`	`widrone`	`roRisc2: Can you use a rescue cd or floppy to load the kernel from the diskinstall?`
`23:06.19`	`roRisc2`	`peterS went for the automatically generated one. just to see if it works.`
`23:06.25`	`peterS`	`oh ok`
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`23:06.36`	`Cyano-Mobile`	`I'm getting an error when trying to install openoffice can someone help me if I paste it in flood?`
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`23:06.52`	`roRisc2`	`widrone I'd need some tips on trying that.`
`23:06.53`	`thingfish`	`roRisc2: mixed sata and pata drives?`
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`23:06.59`	`nir_`	`hi`
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`23:07.08`	`roRisc2`	`thingfish. no old computer. IDE's only.`
`23:07.12`	`thingfish`	`ah ok`
`23:07.14`	`nir_`	`can i install gnome basic packages only ?`
`23:07.16`	`ozzloy`	`what suggestions you all have for webcam&headset working well w/ linux? is there any that actually has official company drivers for linux?`
`23:07.18`	`roRisc2`	`err: "no. old comp"`
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`23:07.31`	`widrone`	`And damnit I cant seem to get my external USB CDwriter to work properly with cdrecord. Grumble off to read some man cdrecord ...`
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`23:07.54`	`roRisc2`	`however. upon install`
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`23:07.59`	`roRisc2`	`there's a happy face`
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`23:08.06`	`roRisc2`	`then a dark happy face for raid`
`23:08.09`	`widrone`	`roRisc2: Only one disk in it? I think I would have put it on /dev/hda (or simmilar).`
`23:08.11`	`roRisc2`	`and a lightning bolt.`
`23:08.15`	`roRisc2`	`what's the meaning.`
`23:08.22`	`roRisc2`	`I believe I had no lightning bolts.`
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`23:08.48`	`roRisc2`	`widrone 2 disks`
`23:08.59`	`widrone`	`roRisc2: Happy face and bolts of thunder? Man I need to install more from cd images. =)`
`23:09.06`	`roRisc2`	`I'll reinstall everything again.`
`23:09.12`	`roRisc2`	`widrone, other options?`
`23:09.20`	`roRisc2`	`widrone what's your favourite install method.`
`23:09.23`	`roRisc2`	`I want a quick one.`
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`23:09.42`	`mtnman`	`rorisc: net install`
`23:09.57`	`roRisc2`	`no other linux machine over here...`
`23:10.03`	`roRisc2`	`have a link/`
`23:10.04`	`roRisc2`	`?`
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`23:10.24`	`mtnman`	`www.debian.org`
`23:10.28`	`widrone`	`roRisc2: I end up doing debootstraps all the time, almost always have network on machines, but I never seen to have any cdroms and floppies, only unix in some form.`
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`23:11.30`	`widrone`	`roRisc2: But try it from the CD if you have. I done loads of them myself, get to know all parts of the system now before you have data to loose on it...`
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`23:12.00`	`widrone`	`roRisc2: Or try booting with CD and pressin F1-F5`
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`23:12.17`	`leOn`	`planner isn't able to do print preview ... with unstable here ... anyone else having the same problem ?`
`23:12.41`	`roRisc2`	`widrone I installed using linux26`
`23:12.43`	`widrone`	`roRisc2: See if you can make it out from there, Ill try to linger and troubleshoot. No cd here to boot from anyway :)`
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`23:13.04`	`roRisc2`	`there were no errors along the way. restarting.`
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`23:13.15`	`widrone`	`roRisc2: Look for rescue stuff and root= things to pass to the boot cd`
`23:13.42`	`widrone`	`roRisc2: Its the sriting grub to a place that the bios can load it from that failed probably.`
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`23:14.11`	`widrone`	`roRisc2: Afterall all the data you installed are there anyway, no need to load it all up again .`
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`23:23.21`	`widrone`	`roRisc2: That way if you get your install kickstarted from the tools on the cd you can make grub work again (I persume, dont know grub that well (man grub?))`
`23:24.14`	`roRisc2`	`widrone, got / /usr /var /sqap /tmp /home`
`23:24.29`	`roRisc2`	`then a lightning bolt on /`
`23:24.39`	`roRisc2`	`which turns on for having a "boot flag"`
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`23:24.46`	`roRisc2`	`presumbly this was here before.`
`23:25.01`	`stream`	`i am using debian and just did an update/upgrade... it upgraded imapd and sendmail but now i cannot login`
`23:25.08`	`peterS`	`roRisc2: sounds perfectly normal. the boot flag isn't even necessary when you put lilo or grub in the boot block`
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`23:25.26`	`Guerin`	`stream: what branch of debian ... and log in how?`
`23:25.40`	`widrone`	`!grub`
`23:25.40`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, grub is [grub] Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs.. Go here for an excellent step-by-step description of setting up grub on your system: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or a distributed internet crawler.`
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`23:26.22`	`Sorcre`	`I know it's Unstable, but would debian be a good choise for people running AMD64?`
`23:26.53`	`Guerin`	`stream: debian would be. unstable wouldn't be.`
`23:27.02`	`Guerin`	`Sorcre: debian would be. unstable wouldn't be.`
`23:27.04`	`stream`	`says 3.1`
`23:27.23`	`Guerin`	`Sorcre: there's stable and testing amd64 as well`
`23:27.36`	`Sorcre`	`Ah, I missed that little bit of information.`
`23:27.38`	`Sorcre`	`Thanks`
`23:27.46`	`stream`	`a NO LOGIN failed`
`23:27.49`	`stream`	`i telnet localhost 143`
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`23:28.47`	`Guerin`	`ok, so imap`
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`23:28.51`	`stream`	`yes...`
`23:28.52`	`Guerin`	`stream: read your logs`
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`23:29.01`	`stream`	`logs dont say anything but login failed`
`23:29.05`	`stream`	`i think it may be a pam issue?`
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`23:29.10`	`stew`	`stream: which imap server?`
`23:29.11`	`stream`	`* OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4REV1 LOGIN-REFERRALS STARTTLS LOGINDISABLED] wjhsd.net IMAP4rev1 2003.339 at Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:28:43 -0400 (EDT)`
`23:29.19`	`Guerin`	`stream: whatserver?`
`23:29.28`	`stream`	`looks like wu-imap`
`23:29.40`	`brrrt`	`when using "top" i get: load average: 4.78, 5.26, 5.58`
`23:29.44`	`brrrt`	`what does that mean?`
`23:30.13`	`Guerin`	`brrrt: it means that in the last minute, an average of 4.78 processes want cpu at any given time`
`23:30.20`	`bbrazil`	`average number of jobs in run queue in last 1,5,15 minutes`
`23:30.22`	`Guerin`	`the other two numbers are 5 and 15 minutes`
`23:30.28`	`stream`	`no config file for wu-imap? it just runs from inetd.conf as /usr/sbin/imapd`
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`23:30.55`	`brrrt`	`ah thanks`
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`23:31.27`	`brrrt`	`so i have some problem with cpu, because the machine has nothing to do but copiing files`
`23:31.30`	`brrrt`	`?`
`23:31.53`	`stream`	`pop works`
`23:31.55`	`stream`	`but not imap`
`23:32.47`	`Guerin`	`brrrt: might be disk i/o, might be some programs hung and waiting`
`23:32.51`	`waltz`	`Is there a shortcut key to switching between channels/windows in irssi?`
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`23:33.07`	`Guerin`	`waltz: alt+[1234567890qwertyuiop]`
`23:33.19`	`waltz`	`thank you`
`23:33.22`	`stew`	`waltz: or ctrl-n ctrl-p to cycle forward/backward`
`23:33.25`	`brrrt`	`Guerin: jes the machine hungs all the time`
`23:33.35`	`waltz`	`thanks Guerin and stew :)`
`23:33.57`	`Gregorovius`	`this is driving me nuts... I tried to boot from the instalation CD, mounted my linux partition, but I couldn't run anything from there`
`23:34.37`	`Gregorovius`	`all I need is to run grub-install!`
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`23:34.47`	`Guerin`	`Gregorovius: why not?`
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`23:35.18`	`Gregorovius`	`from the boot CD I got an Ash shell... it said my filesystems were to be mounted in /target, they weren't`
`23:35.18`	`widrone`	`stew: I think I love you for that, using irssi in screen... you save my day.`
`23:35.31`	`Cyano-Mobile`	`Anyone know what the following error means?`
`23:35.33`	`Cyano-Mobile`	`E: This installation run will require temporarily removing theessential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activatethe APT::Force-LoopBreak option.`
`23:35.33`	`Cyano-Mobile`	`E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs`
`23:35.43`	`Gregorovius`	`so I did mkdir /mount/root, mounted my partition there`
`23:35.50`	`Guerin`	`!tell Cyano-Mobile about loopbreak`
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`23:36.03`	`Gregorovius`	`and when run grub-install I got completely weird errors`
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`23:36.17`	`teh_chicken`	`YO`
`23:36.21`	`teh_chicken`	`CHICKENS`
`23:36.21`	`stew`	`Cyano-Mobile: you should upgrade to stable before upgrading to testing or sid`
`23:36.22`	`DParker`	`HOW YOU DOIN`
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`23:36.24`	`Faithful`	`can I convert a rpm into a deb?`
`23:36.25`	`DParker`	`CHAHLESH`
`23:36.35`	`stream`	`when debian upgraded it did alot of udpates`
`23:36.36`	`DWoodley`	`CHAHLESH`
`23:36.36`	`DParker`	`CHAHLESH`
`23:36.39`	`DParker`	`HE STOLED IT`
`23:36.40`	`stream`	`but now it wont authenticate with imap`
`23:36.43`	`DParker`	`THE TOP HAT`
`23:36.44`	`DWoodley`	`IT WONT`
`23:36.47`	`Gregorovius`	`all I really need is a bloody boot floppy, and I can't find that anywhere`
`23:36.48`	`DWoodley`	`NO`
`23:36.48`	`DWoodley`	`CANT BE`
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`23:36.50`	`Guerin`	`Gregorovius: you need to chroot into it and mount /proc`
`23:36.59`	`Guerin`	`gravity: pwn`
`23:37.04`	`Gregorovius`	`that shell didn't have chroot`
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`23:37.26`	`widrone`	`!tell Faithful about alien`
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`23:37.32`	`stream`	`its uw-imapd`
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`23:37.40`	`Gregorovius`	`only chmod I think`
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`23:38.19`	`stream`	`is there is there a better imapd daemon to use with debian?`
`23:38.38`	`Guerin`	`Gregorovius: i bet it did have chroot`
`23:38.46`	`Faithful`	`stream: I use courier`
`23:38.49`	`gravity`	`Wow. #mandriva trolls?`
`23:38.51`	`gravity`	`That's sad`
`23:38.57`	`Guerin`	`Gregorovius: if it really doesn't, get a bootcd which does`
`23:39.03`	`gravity`	`I thought they'd all be gentoo trolls`
`23:39.03`	`Cyano-Mobile`	`stew: I'm using testing now what should I do?`
`23:39.05`	`stream`	`courier is precompiled?`
`23:39.09`	`Guerin`	`gravity: haha`
`23:39.17`	`Faithful`	`stream: yup`
`23:39.24`	`stream`	`apt-get search didnt find it`
`23:39.26`	`Guerin`	`stream: courier can be hell to auth with`
`23:39.40`	`Guerin`	`stream: people are recommending dovecot nowadays, but I've not tried it`
`23:39.41`	`Faithful`	`stream: careful not to install the whole suite tho`
`23:39.59`	`stream`	`why cant i just have uw-imapd work.. it was perfect`
`23:40.04`	`stream`	`i knew I should have not upgraded`
`23:40.06`	`stew`	`Cyano-Mobile: sounds like your testing is actually from when sarge was testing. sarge is now stable but you have e2fsprogs from before sarge became stable and now you are trying to upgrade from somewhere between oldstable and stabe to testing, you should upgrade fully to sarge first than ugrade to testing. or /msg dpkg force loopbreak`
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`23:40.19`	`Faithful`	`stream: WASSUP`
`23:40.34`	`albo`	`anyone know of good debian web hosting`
`23:40.46`	`Guerin`	`albo: define good`
`23:41.05`	`stream`	`is it because my imapd is messed up with pam?`
`23:41.09`	`Faithful`	`stream: apt-cache search courier works for me`
`23:41.14`	`stream`	`what should /etc/pam.d/imapd should I see`
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`23:41.24`	`albo`	`Guerin: i willing to spend around $20,000 per year`
`23:41.35`	`Guerin`	`albo: what do you want to get?`
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`23:42.09`	`qbwdp`	`whats up guys`
`23:42.09`	`albo`	`Guerin: many servers, debian, selection of quality hardware, kernel level knowledge`
`23:42.11`	`qbwdp`	`how are things`
`23:42.13`	`Faithful`	`stream: don't use it because I use maildir ... which rox`
`23:42.16`	`qbwdp`	`hey i wante dto ask you`
`23:42.30`	`waltz`	`how do I close the active window in irssi using a shortcut key?`
`23:42.51`	`qbwdp`	`i don't have a rc.local file on debian, if i make one, will it be read, if not, then where would i insert it's entry so it would be read?`
`23:42.51`	`stream`	`courier says: BYE [ALERT] Fatal error: Maildir: No such file or directory`
`23:42.54`	`stream`	`we dont use maildir`
`23:42.58`	`stew`	`waltz: /wc`
`23:43.00`	`stream`	`its simple old sendmail`
`23:43.10`	`qbwdp`	`or exim`
`23:43.23`	`stew`	`sendmail is simple? :p`
`23:43.28`	`Guerin`	`albo: i use rimuhosting.com, on a much smaller scale - the guys there know their shit pretty well, and their service is superb.`
`23:43.41`	`stream`	`ok.. basic sendmail setup`
`23:43.44`	`stream`	`non maildirs`
`23:43.49`	`Guerin`	`yeah`
`23:43.53`	`Guerin`	`courier only does maildir`
`23:43.58`	`stream`	`arg`
`23:43.58`	`Guerin`	`it was a bad suggestion`
`23:43.58`	`stream`	`wtf`
`23:44.05`	`Guerin`	`dovecot does both`
`23:44.14`	`Faithful`	`Guerin: that is not so at all`
`23:44.18`	`Guerin`	`stream: still no idea why uw isn't working`
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`23:44.23`	`stream`	`i think its pam`
`23:44.25`	`Guerin`	`Faithful: is it not?`
`23:44.27`	`stream`	`mind helping to check?`
`23:44.31`	`Faithful`	`Guerin: no`
`23:44.35`	`Guerin`	`stream: i don't know anything about uw`
`23:44.49`	`Faithful`	`Guerin: in fact you have to chose to do maildir mbox is default`
`23:45.01`	`stream`	`imap is running`
`23:45.02`	`stream`	`inetd 11241 root 5u IPv4 14268855 TCP *:imap2 (LISTEN)`
`23:45.04`	`stream`	`via inetd.conf`
`23:45.13`	`Guerin`	`Faithful: hrm, it does to mbox, but defaults to maildir`
`23:45.18`	`Guerin`	`according to the site`
`23:45.42`	`Cyano-Mobile`	`stew: how do I upgrade fully to sarge? dist-upgrade?`
`23:45.42`	`Faithful`	`Guerin: oh so it's changed since I last read the dox.`
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`23:46.04`	`albo`	`Guerin: i want hosting where they take care of everything up until userland (eg in terms of kernel). that has to get me a savings somewhere`
`23:46.05`	`stew`	`Cyano-Mobile: replace testing with sarge in your sources, then dist-upgrade`
`23:46.05`	`sandman`	`I edited my XF86Config-4 to accomodate 1152x864 resolution, but it won't actually work`
`23:46.05`	`stream`	`i dont see detailed log files`
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`23:46.26`	`sandman`	`I even used dpkg-reconfigure later, after appending the md5sums properly (so dpkg-reconfigure will write the new settings to XF86Config-4 and not just look like it)`
`23:46.36`	`stream`	`i do see this: Oct 18 19:46:11 WJHSD imapd[12382]: imap service init from 127.0.0.1`
`23:46.36`	`Cyano-Mobile`	`stew: thanks`
`23:46.43`	`stream`	`but when i get LGOIN filed i dont see the log file update`
`23:46.48`	`sandman`	`But even so, when I specify 1152x864 as the ONLY resolution available to run, X still starts up into 1024x768.`
`23:46.52`	`sandman`	`I cannot get X to listen to my changes`
`23:46.53`	`albo`	`Guerin:sorry. im whinig`
`23:47.07`	`Guerin`	`albo: yeah, that's exactly what these guys do. The don't sell anything that doesn't have root, and they take care of all hardware, connectivity and power issues, and leave the userspace 100% up to you`
`23:47.20`	`gravity`	`sandman: What does the logfile say?`
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`23:47.45`	`Guerin`	`sandman: are you manually editing your config file?`
`23:48.08`	`stream`	`can i downgrade the imap to the previous version?`
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`23:48.27`	`Guerin`	`stream: try, yeah. But if it's a pam problem, it probabl;y won't help.`
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`23:48.29`	`stew`	`stream: what version of debian are you running?`
`23:48.33`	`stream`	`says 3.1`
`23:48.44`	`Guerin`	`stream: look at the changelogs and so on in /usr/share/doc/pkgname`
`23:48.52`	`sandman`	`gravity: Log file shows no errors`
`23:48.52`	`sandman`	`Guerin: No`
`23:48.55`	`stew`	`stream: if you got upgraded it was because of a security vulnerability then, and i wouldn't recommend downgrading`
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`23:49.05`	`gravity`	`sandman: It doesn't say anything about the resolution at all?`
`23:49.08`	`sandman`	`Guerin: Using dpkg-reconfigure. Although when I look at XF86Config-4, the changes have been made, and the syntax is proper`
`23:49.17`	`stew`	`stream: why don't you use a pastebin to put your /etc/pam.d/imap file somewhere where we could look at it if you think its pam`
`23:49.23`	`Guerin`	`sandman: have you ever edited it by hand, or by a method which wasn't dpjkg-reconfigure?`
`23:49.28`	`sander`	`hi.. I got some problems with my nfsdeamon.. when I write to a file.. and get a bunch of servers to read that file at once.. I get an error: Input/output error`
`23:49.29`	`sandman`	`It says it's setting mode to 1024x768`
`23:49.33`	`sandman`	`That's all it says about resolution`
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`23:49.37`	`gravity`	`hrm`
`23:49.37`	`stream`	`ok it worked`
`23:49.43`	`sandman`	`But yet, 1024x768 isn't even a resolution specified in XF86Config`
`23:49.44`	`stream`	`i downgraded the imapd binary from a backup`
`23:49.46`	`stream`	`:)`
`23:49.49`	`sandman`	`XF86Config-4 that is`
`23:49.52`	`Guerin`	`stream: hrm, funky`
`23:49.58`	`Guerin`	`what version was broken, OOI?`
`23:50.00`	`sander`	`but when I write.. and wait 1 min.. and then get my servers to read this nfs mounted file.. it all works`
`23:50.02`	`gravity`	`Yeah, the xserver does some funky shit that I still don't understand`
`23:50.07`	`sandman`	`Guerin: Yes, but I fixed it via the standard md5sum method. Don't worry, dpkg-reconfigure writes to the file just fine`
`23:50.12`	`Guerin`	`sandman: ok.`
`23:50.12`	`sandman`	`Guerin: I know what you're thinking, and that's not hte problem :)`
`23:50.20`	`Guerin`	`sandman: good that YOU know :)`
`23:50.31`	`sandman`	`Guerin: Yeah, I know. A lot of people make that mistake`
`23:50.37`	`sandman`	`(II) NVIDIA(0): Setting mode "1024x768"`
`23:50.39`	`sandman`	`That's all it says.`
`23:50.44`	`sandman`	`So perhaps it has to do with nvidia-glx`
`23:50.48`	`Guerin`	`(makes a nice change from "Waht is teh md5????!111 lol"`
`23:50.50`	`stream`	`ii uw-imapd 2002edebian1-1 remote mail folder access server`
`23:50.51`	`Guerin`	`)`
`23:51.06`	`apokryphos`	`where can I find a list of debian repositories? More specifically, the ones for unstable.`
`23:51.07`	`Guerin`	`!info uw-imapd sarge`
`23:51.17`	`Guerin`	`apokryphos: debian.org`
`23:51.25`	`Guerin`	`apokryphos: all debian mirrors have unstable`
`23:51.25`	`sandman`	`Hmm.. I think I may have found hte problem`
`23:51.44`	`apokryphos`	`Guerin: example entry in sources.list?`
`23:51.47`	`sandman`	`I checked the logs further, and apparently I missed a line about 1152x864 being out of hsync range`
`23:51.57`	`sandman`	`I think that's the problem.`
`23:52.00`	`Guerin`	`apokryphos: examples are in man sources.list`
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`23:52.13`	`Guerin`	`apokryphos: if you can't grok that, you're not qualified to use unstable`
`23:52.21`	`dpkg`	`uw-imapd: (remote mail folder access server), section mail, is optional. Version: 7:2002edebian1-11 (sarge), Packaged size: 68 kB, Installed size: 172 kB`
`23:52.26`	`apokryphos`	`Guerin: not if you're not using debian =)`
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`23:52.45`	`apokryphos`	`nevermind, I'll figure it out`
`23:52.57`	`Guerin`	`apokryphos: that's the spirit`
`23:53.23`	`Guerin`	`stream: check the BTS and raise a big against uw-imapd if there's not one already`
`23:53.31`	`Guerin`	`stream: a bug, even`
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`23:57.28`	`budreefer`	`hey all`
`23:57.49`	`budreefer`	`so im curious about the different types of filesystems one can format a partition with`
`23:57.58`	`budreefer`	`what's the diff between them all? like what's better or pro/con`
`23:58.06`	`budreefer`	`ext3, reiser, JFS, XFS??`
`23:58.14`	`budreefer`	`i only know about FAT16,32 and NTFS`
`23:58.55`	`Gregorovius`	`guerin: do you do chroot before or after mounting the filesystem?`
`23:59.12`	`Guerin`	`!filesystems`
`23:59.13`	`dpkg`	`Journaling filesystems in a nutshell: <peterS> fast but dangerous: reiserfs. slow but reliable: ext3. fast, mostly reliable, and huge: xfs. medium speed, probably reliable: jfs. unknown, probably buggy: reiser4. If you have to ask, use ext3, or see http://fsbench.netnation.com/`
`23:59.26`	`Gregorovius`	`pppft, ok =)`
`23:59.27`	`Guerin`	`Gregorovius: you have to chroot after mounting your root`
`23:59.45`	`Guerin`	`Gregorovius: you can chroot into an unmounted filesystem, for reasons which should be obvious`
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