| 00:00.04 | Gregorovius | okay, i'll try that out, thanks |
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| 00:00.41 | Gregorovius | and then... where to mount /proc? default fstab location? |
| 00:00.53 | Guerin | Gregorovius: yeah |
| 00:00.58 | Guerin | Gregorovius: within the chroot |
| 00:01.04 | Guerin | ie: after chrooting |
| 00:01.08 | Gregorovius | I'll go try that out =) |
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| 00:01.58 | erirlar | how can i overwrite with the mv command? |
| 00:02.16 | Guerin | erirlar: mv will overwrite files, but not directories |
| 00:02.30 | erirlar | hmmm, okey |
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| 00:04.19 | Phated | If you mv a dir to a dir, it overwrites, no? |
| 00:05.39 | RichiH | Phated: it will replace the target dir entirely |
| 00:05.44 | apokryphos | alright, done |
| 00:05.54 | apokryphos | Guerin: just so great to see that helpful debian spirit ;-) |
| 00:05.55 | Phated | ergo, overwriting, da? |
| 00:05.56 | Phated | :) |
| 00:06.00 | TwistedEmotions | Phated: you would need sudo command... and in that case... yes... I think so... will replace the directory you are moving to.. |
| 00:06.13 | apokryphos | (famous helpful debian spirit, I might add :) ) |
| 00:06.13 | Phated | Eh? Why would you need sudo? |
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| 00:06.44 | TwistedEmotions | Phated: it should not allow you to do it as normal user... or should at least prompt I believe to double check... |
| 00:06.46 | Phated | mv ~/run/ ~/running/ ... why would you need sudo? |
| 00:07.15 | TwistedEmotions | Phated: since your basically replacing a whole directory... it might prompt to be sure. |
| 00:07.31 | Phated | It does not. |
| 00:07.39 | TwistedEmotions | ok.. just kidding ;) |
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| 00:12.48 | resiak | Phated: Are you sure that mv ~/foo ~/bar doesn't move foo _into_ bar ? |
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| 00:13.08 | resiak | Phated: Oh, of course, not if ~/bar doesn't exist. |
| 00:13.11 | Phated | resiak: mv foo/ bar/, no, it doesn't. |
| 00:13.26 | Phated | And even IF bar did exist... |
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| 00:13.32 | Phated | Heck, let's try this out, shal we. |
| 00:13.37 | gravity | If bar exists it does move it in |
| 00:13.41 | gravity | I just did it :-) |
| 00:13.45 | Phated | Heh. |
| 00:13.45 | resiak | Same here |
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| 00:13.51 | Phated | eh, very well, then. |
| 00:13.51 | Phated | :) |
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| 00:13.57 | brrrt | do i need an smp kernel if i have just 1 cpu but a multicpu chipset? |
| 00:14.00 | gravity | There's no easy way out of that one I guess. |
| 00:14.17 | resiak | brrrt: No. |
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| 00:14.32 | sandman | Is there a program anywhere that can help me set my monitor up? |
| 00:14.33 | brrrt | thx :) |
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| 00:14.43 | gravity | sandman: xresprobe is in etch |
| 00:14.49 | sandman | It's a PITA to set the CRT horizontal/vert boundaries etc |
| 00:15.02 | sandman | And to get the picture right |
| 00:15.16 | sandman | You know what I mean? Liek the monitor geometry, pincushion, etc |
| 00:15.32 | gravity | Isn't that built in to your monitor itself? |
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| 00:15.37 | gravity | Like the buttons on the front? |
| 00:16.03 | sandman | Yes |
| 00:16.06 | sandman | But it's such a PITA |
| 00:16.14 | sandman | And I cannot get this damn thing perfect. ALso: Colors |
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| 00:16.16 | gravity | I think you have to do tahat |
| 00:16.19 | gravity | that even |
| 00:16.27 | sandman | Supposedly there's some set of bars that you can look at that will help you set contrast/brightness optimally |
| 00:16.27 | gravity | Besides, you do it once and you're done |
| 00:16.36 | sandman | I suppose.. |
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| 00:20.06 | Gregorovius | well, that worked... now for some reason my reiser partition went poof |
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| 00:21.07 | Gregorovius | mount: /dev/hda3 is not a valid block device. where can I begin to see what's wrong? |
| 00:21.17 | CosmoDad | can anyone explain to me why official kernel images use "<kernel-version>-<revision>" in their versions field but trying to build something equal with make-kpkg fails because the --revision flag (which awkwardly sets the version field!) doesn't allow hyphens? |
| 00:21.17 | Gershwin | anyone have a recommendation for a presentation graphics package? |
| 00:21.32 | resiak | !reiserfs |
| 00:21.32 | dpkg | hmm... reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. |
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| 00:21.52 | Gershwin | or software to use for the purpose of presentation graphics |
| 00:21.54 | Gregorovius | hahaha |
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| 00:27.42 | budreefer | !pppoe |
| 00:27.42 | dpkg | pppoe is probably ppp over ethernet, apt-get install pppoe pppoeconf and read /usr/share/doc/pppoe/README.Debian This is rp-pppoe, but with the scripts rewritten. For PPPOE support in 2.4 kernels enable EXPERIMENTAL Features and go to Network Device Support |
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| 00:29.53 | Gregorovius | um my tty1 is swamped by DROPPED IN messages, how can I disable that |
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| 00:31.26 | gr8ron | is it safe to add users to the cdrom group on debian these days? (cdrecord(1) implies it might not be the case) |
| 00:32.05 | phrontist | How can I set up an encrypted file system on Debian? |
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| 00:32.28 | budreefer | !apt |
| 00:32.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, apt is the Advanced Package Tool, an advanced frontend for dpkg and rpm (depending on your system). For Debian it's a frontend for dpkg. Apt kicks ass. Unless you referring to Sun's 'Annotation Processing Tool', which ... does not 'kick ass.' |
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| 00:32.45 | phil- | phrontist, they'll lock you up for not exposing data anyway ;) |
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| 00:32.59 | dondelelcaro | gr8ron: you can, but any user in that group will be able to destroy and read any data that is on those filesystems |
| 00:33.12 | dondelelcaro | gr8ron: far better to allow specific users to run cdrecord using sudo or similar. |
| 00:33.21 | Orion071 | Hey Guys... I'm installing Debian Sarge in my Dell Inspiron 8100 notebook.. It is asking me whatVideo Card Driver it should install for the X Server... My notebook has an nVidia GeForce2 Go.. Can you please give me a hand??? :) |
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| 00:33.46 | Oldstylepsychoti | Somebody have seen Fevel, tha Big Mice??? |
| 00:33.46 | dondelelcaro | Orion071: use nv then |
| 00:33.49 | Orion071 | I was looking for something like "nvidia" but it is not in there... |
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| 00:34.08 | Orion071 | dondelelcaro: nv? GREAT!!! Let me use that one... |
| 00:34.10 | Gregorovius | there's the open source 'nv' driver |
| 00:34.18 | Oldstylepsychoti | fevel: FEVEL ; ( |
| 00:34.20 | dentifrice | hi there - I'm proceeding with a fresh RAID-5 debian-install - after setting all 4 disks to Linux Autoraid and having created an array for all 4 disks - RAID construction has started, but slows the whole system down, making it nearly impossible to follow the install process - should I wait til the array is built to continue the install? |
| 00:34.22 | Gregorovius | or the binary 'nvidia' but you have to get that one separately |
| 00:34.24 | fevel | yoho! |
| 00:34.36 | Oldstylepsychoti | TO AQUI SEY RATO |
| 00:34.38 | fevel | Oldstylepsychoti: wats up Tico |
| 00:34.56 | Oldstylepsychoti | so what going on in this channel??? |
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| 00:35.06 | gr8ron | dondelelcaro: thanks. thats what i was afraid of. but giving someone read access to a /dev/scd0 device doesnt mean they can read /dev/sd[a-t] does it? |
| 00:35.15 | fevel | dcc chat Oldstylepsychoti |
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| 00:36.25 | Orion071 | dondelelcaro: Thank you very much brother... BTW... Do you know that is the Frequency in HZ? :( |
| 00:36.34 | Ronin | Oldstylepsychoti: its a linux help channel specifically for the distro debian |
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| 00:36.37 | dondelelcaro | gr8ron: it shouldn't, no. |
| 00:36.49 | dondelelcaro | Orion071: depends on your device |
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| 00:37.16 | Orion071 | dondelelcaro: I'm looking in Dell's Support page... but I cant find it... :S |
| 00:37.19 | dondelelcaro | Orion071: easier to just use the "easy" or "basic" (or whatever it's called) selection and pick a monitor size. |
| 00:37.27 | Ronin | but i suspect you know that already Oldstylepsychoti |
| 00:37.39 | Orion071 | dondelelcaro: it just gave me Medium and Advanced |
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| 00:38.16 | dondelelcaro | Orion071: well, Medium will probably do... the frequency range isn't too terribly important for LCDs in most cases. |
| 00:38.20 | dli | which intel pro100 driver to use? e100 or eepro100 ? |
| 00:38.44 | Orion071 | dondelelcaro: :O... Great... Let me try 60Hz... :D |
| 00:39.10 | dondelelcaro | Orion071: it should be a range, something like 30-110 or 50-180 or similar. |
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| 00:40.22 | waltz | How do I print the username and OS info? |
| 00:40.27 | waltz | ...from bash |
| 00:40.33 | waltz | ...in bash |
| 00:40.42 | stew | waltz: whois ; man uname |
| 00:41.03 | stew | waltz: errr, now whois, whoami |
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| 00:42.41 | waltz | eek :\ |
| 00:42.52 | waltz | how do I exit the man? |
| 00:42.57 | stew | q |
| 00:43.02 | Orion071 | dondelelcaro: I already setup the values... It is now unpacking some files... lets see if it works... :)... I already tried some distros on that laptop... they gave me a lot of headaches... |
| 00:43.18 | Orion071 | dondelelcaro: I hope Debian doesn't do that... :D |
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| 00:43.39 | gr8ron | dondelelcaro: i was reading a thread on http://seclists.org/lists/bugtraq/2004/Sep/0461.html but didnt quite get it.. whether you can potentially destroy data on _all_ scsi disks by having write access to /dev/scd0 or just the scsi emulated drives. do you know more about it? |
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| 00:45.24 | dondelelcaro | gr8ron: dunno; one would assume that you would only be able to write to exactly that device, but I'm not expert enough at SCSI by any means to know all of the possibilities for exploits. |
| 00:45.37 | nir_ | hi, how i install plugins to see WMV/AVI files ? |
| 00:45.59 | dondelelcaro | gr8ron: I still thiink the best way is to just use sudo to grant access to cdrecord rather than sticking users in the cdrom group |
| 00:46.17 | dondelelcaro | gr8ron: esp. because that will give you auditing of who is doing what with cdrecord for free. |
| 00:46.29 | punkideas | can anyone help me get my nvidia glx driver working on etch+kernel 2.6.13.4 |
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| 00:46.54 | gr8ron | dondelelcaro: ok thanks. i agree. with all these doubts i have to agree on that |
| 00:47.12 | nir_ | anyone ? |
| 00:47.24 | dli | punkideas, tried the binary driver from nvidia.com ? |
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| 00:48.00 | dli | nir_, mplayer, or gxine |
| 00:48.16 | punkideas | yes, the driver itself seems to be working, but when I change my driver in xorg.conf to nvidia, X won't start |
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| 00:48.35 | phrontist | anybody here use Encfs? |
| 00:48.48 | fabiofx | #linux-br |
| 00:48.55 | dli | punkideas, any error in installing the binary driver? |
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| 00:49.04 | fabiofx | sorry |
| 00:49.29 | punkideas | not when I used the binary driver download from nvidia |
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| 00:58.13 | gpfreitas | Hi, has anybody been able to install last.fm radio player under Debian Sarge? |
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| 00:59.23 | litage | is it safe to allow only tcp for rsync, or does rsync often use udp? |
| 01:01.19 | dondelelcaro | litage: tcp only; but you should generally be using it via ssh anyway. |
| 01:01.37 | waltz | question: what are the possible reasons I'd be getting a segfault when I try to do 'apt-get remove irssi-text'? |
| 01:01.49 | dondelelcaro | waltz: depends where you're seeing the segfault. |
| 01:01.50 | Guerin | !tell waltz about sig11 |
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| 01:02.59 | waltz | Guerin: I can't very well view that doc because I'm not in X. |
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| 01:03.25 | litage | dondelelcaro: i agree it should be used via ssh, but debian's anonftpsync script (to mirror a repository) doesn't allow ssh :( |
| 01:03.38 | waltz | dondelelcaro: Immediately after I issue the command: A message reading "Segmentation Fault" is printed in bash. |
| 01:04.12 | dondelelcaro | litage: oh, yeah, that connects to whatever rsync's port is. |
| 01:04.49 | dondelelcaro | waltz: rm /var/cache/apt/*.bin; then rerun apt-get remove irssi-text; |
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| 01:05.44 | Orion071 | dondelelcaro: Hey... It already finish... It WORKED!!!! IT WORKED!!! |
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| 01:06.36 | Orion071 | dondelelcaro: Thank you brother... I just have one last question... my monitor is using 800X600 by I need 1600 (it supports it) How can I modify it? |
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| 01:08.57 | LinuxNewbie | hello there |
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| 01:09.33 | LinuxNewbie | where can i change the services running under debian sarge im using KDE |
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| 01:10.40 | Guerin | !services |
| 01:10.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/ |
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| 01:11.32 | Guerin | !drxx Orion071 |
| 01:11.35 | dpkg | Orion071: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 01:11.55 | LinuxNewbie | should i execute command rcconf? |
| 01:12.24 | BhaalWK | Has anyone put together a linux distribution (hopefully debian based) that is used for creating cheap NAS boxes? Like with a web interface and stuff? |
| 01:13.07 | LinuxNewbie | does it have a GUI that i only check or uncheck the services needed? |
| 01:13.21 | Guerin | LinuxNewbie: yeah. |
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| 01:13.31 | dondelelcaro | Orion071: just select 1600x1200 in the list of resolutions and it shoudl show up |
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| 01:14.10 | LinuxNewbie | ive tried rcconf i gave me a command not found |
| 01:14.19 | Guerin | !installit |
| 01:14.19 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 01:14.31 | LinuxNewbie | ah? soddy about that |
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| 01:16.01 | LinuxNewbie | tnx guys |
| 01:16.11 | Orion071 | dondelelcaro: It doesn't show up... I just see 800x600 and 600xsomething... |
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| 01:16.49 | aris | hi pusakat |
| 01:16.54 | dondelelcaro | Orion071: what do you have set as the HorizSync and VertRefresh? |
| 01:18.08 | Orion071 | dondelelcaro: I'm so sorry brother... I'm a newbie with Debian and Linux... :S Where can I dind that info? |
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| 01:18.53 | pusakat | hi aris. |
| 01:19.12 | aris | nice to see u here punkideas |
| 01:19.13 | aris | nice to see u here pusakat |
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| 01:19.46 | justin420 | hi, anybody help me reconfigre xfree86?? i had a ati graphics card, and i took it out. i bought a nvida card and it says it cant start the xserver now? |
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| 01:20.38 | budreefer | justin420: check in /etc/X11 for config file |
| 01:20.42 | thingfish | !nvidia one-liner |
| 01:20.43 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
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| 01:21.28 | justin420 | budreefer: yup, xfconfig-4 or something like that... |
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| 01:21.55 | gravity | justin420: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:21.58 | Orion071 | dpkg: Hey brother... I already tried with that command... but... I'm a newbie... I dont know exactly what to configure in all the screens... Can you please help me? :) |
| 01:22.01 | gravity | justin420: Just change the driver to "nv" |
| 01:22.04 | budreefer | think that'll work better |
| 01:22.08 | justin420 | gravity: thanks thats what i needed. |
| 01:22.12 | gravity | justin420: No problem |
| 01:22.14 | justin420 | l8r |
| 01:22.40 | dondelelcaro | Orion071: what model laptop are you using? |
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| 01:23.09 | Orion071 | dondelelcaro: Dell Inspiron 8100 with and nVidia GeForce2 Go (16MB) |
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| 01:27.15 | dondelelcaro | Orion071: according to http://www.toobusyto.org.uk/tech/XF86Config-4.txt; it should be HorizSync30-100 VertRefresh60. |
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| 01:28.14 | Orion071 | dondelelcaro: How can I set those values up? :) |
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| 01:29.55 | Nemesis_^ | anyone know if ioctl I_RECVFD works under linux? |
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| 01:30.58 | king | ååãæ ÈæÊ ÙÑÈêÉ |
| 01:31.04 | silverton | if I wanted to make a kernel image, I would type 'make-kpkg --config menuconfig binary-arch' |
| 01:31.07 | silverton | correct? |
| 01:31.28 | Guerin | !kp mantra |
| 01:31.28 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is export MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.4 HOSTCC=gcc-3.4"; make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image; |
| 01:31.39 | Guerin | silverton: add your chosen --config in there |
| 01:32.16 | silverton | I thought I did with menuconfig |
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| 01:33.02 | bob2 | Nemesis_^: bah. |
| 01:33.28 | Guerin | silverton: the kp mantra ensures your kernel build will work. Just slip --config menuconfig in there and roll |
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| 01:33.40 | Guerin | silverton: or even run make menuconfig separately beforehand |
| 01:33.54 | silverton | Guerin, do I just copy and past that mess into my terminal? |
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| 01:34.04 | Nemesis_^ | bob2: bah. |
| 01:34.10 | Nemesis_^ | bob2: google isn't as definitive as hoped.. |
| 01:34.11 | bob2 | Nemesis_^: quik? |
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| 01:34.34 | Nemesis_^ | bob2: non-quik related... sending fd related... |
| 01:34.41 | bob2 | Nemesis_^: ah |
| 01:34.42 | Guerin | silverton: yeah |
| 01:34.48 | Nemesis_^ | bob2: tho if you can fix my quik there's beer in it.. |
| 01:35.01 | bob2 | hah |
| 01:35.19 | silverton | Guerin, staring with "export" ? |
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| 01:35.48 | Guerin | yes. |
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| 01:36.00 | silverton | okay then, thanks :) |
| 01:36.18 | silverton | sh: line 1: gcc-3.4: command not found |
| 01:36.18 | silverton | dpkg-architecture: warning: Couldn't determine gcc system type, falling back to default (native compilation) |
| 01:36.32 | bob2 | silverton: install gcc-3.4 |
| 01:36.54 | silverton | sheesh silverton, duh! |
| 01:38.07 | silverton | I hope this works... it's my only hope of getting my data back within the next year or so |
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| 01:41.13 | silverton | gah, it errored |
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| 01:41.23 | Azar | anyone using D-Link DFE-530TX+ ethernet card here any problems with ? |
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| 01:41.49 | Azar | better yet any forums about hardware/linux issues? |
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| 01:42.16 | silverton | How do I copy my current kernels configuration file so I can load that up with this other kernel I'm trying to build |
| 01:42.31 | bob2 | Azar: you don't need a forum |
| 01:42.35 | sbk | How can I get /dev/random not to hang? cat /dev/random blocks -- and the man page says it does that when it's "entropy pool" is not adequate. |
| 01:42.36 | Azar | silverton, in lilo.conf |
| 01:42.45 | litage | when does samba use udp? is it safe to block samba from using udp? |
| 01:42.46 | Guerin | Azar: no |
| 01:42.46 | stew | silverton: cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) ./.config && make oldconfig |
| 01:42.52 | bob2 | Azar: you need to explain what driver it should use, what happens when you load it, and what problems you might have |
| 01:42.52 | Azar | bob2, I know you are great with hardware :) |
| 01:43.17 | Guerin | sbk: make entropy, or use /dev/urandom |
| 01:43.35 | Azar | bob2, I am gathering info on hardware, building a new box, hard to find a RTL.. so I have to settle for DFE |
| 01:43.39 | silverton | stew, I suppose it would matter if current kernel is 2.6 and the one I'm trying to build is 2.4, wouldn't it? |
| 01:43.52 | Guerin | silverton: yes, it matters a lot |
| 01:43.57 | silverton | damn >:O |
| 01:43.58 | bob2 | Azar: if it's via-rhine, you may have apic problems |
| 01:44.00 | ShorTie | how do i check my mail? |
| 01:44.04 | bob2 | Azar: realteks are probably even worse |
| 01:44.11 | Azar | bob2, at newegg, all D-Link for linux mentions the 2.2 and 2.4, I have not seen yet nothing on 2.6 there |
| 01:44.15 | Guerin | ShorTie: www.hotmail.com |
| 01:44.22 | silverton | well, it errored while compiling smp, which I don't need, so I just took that out... |
| 01:44.25 | Azar | bob2, yes I am avoiding VIA-rhine |
| 01:44.28 | ShorTie | haha |
| 01:44.39 | stew | silverton: is there a reason you aren't just using a pre-compiled debian kernel? |
| 01:44.49 | silverton | stew, I need FatX modules |
| 01:45.06 | stew | silverton: what is FatX? |
| 01:45.09 | widrone | silverton: Getting debian on a xbox are we? |
| 01:45.11 | silverton | xbox filesystem |
| 01:45.16 | widrone | stew: xbox fs |
| 01:45.24 | ShorTie | got a failed on boot and when i login it says i got mail .. real newbie here |
| 01:45.24 | silverton | widrone, no, I just need to get the data off my old xbox's hard drive |
| 01:45.27 | Azar | silverton I use to save (comment out) old kernels in lilo so I can for example switch at a given moment |
| 01:45.46 | silverton | Azar, does me no good when I don't have any old kernels :P |
| 01:45.59 | Azar | silverton, ah ok |
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| 01:46.19 | widrone | silverton: Ah, sorry about missing that infobit. Good luck, I think there is patches floating around. |
| 01:46.31 | silverton | widrone, there are, and I applied them :P |
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| 01:46.42 | silverton | now I just need to compile the kernel, which I've never had any luck at |
| 01:46.43 | bob2 | Azar: newegg will have no idea, ignore that |
| 01:46.54 | bob2 | Azar: TX and TX+ used completely different chipsets, too |
| 01:47.07 | silverton | it errored again, and I don't even know why this time... |
| 01:47.18 | bob2 | Azar: TX+ is a realtek anyway, afaict |
| 01:47.42 | silverton | sched.c:213: error: conflicting types for 'reschedule_idle' |
| 01:47.43 | widrone | silverton: Since youre already in sourceland I dont think its easy to take a 2.6 .config and go 2.4 |
| 01:47.54 | Azar | bob2, so I should say goodbye to D-Link? that is all they have, and comments by linux users there say they are happy with it |
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| 01:47.58 | vrt | anyone know how to use pam limits to limit apache and suexec? |
| 01:48.05 | dabaR | Hi, bob2. Just thought Id say hi. |
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| 01:48.25 | bob2 | Azar: aside from trying to avoid realtek, there's not much reason to care what nic you have |
| 01:48.30 | Azar | um I think I am using realtek with my Debian box |
| 01:48.39 | silverton | widrone, yeah, I figured I wouldn't even try |
| 01:48.40 | bob2 | dabaR: hi |
| 01:49.10 | Azar | bob2, what would you recommend for a nic on Sarge linux 2.6 ? |
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| 01:49.48 | bob2 | Azar: whatever was cheapest. if I was planning to do a lot of transfers, intel e100 cards are good |
| 01:49.49 | beoba | Azar: look for whatever you think is a good price, then google for "<company> <model number> linux support" and you'll know |
| 01:49.53 | bob2 | but seem to be odly expensive |
| 01:50.00 | beoba | (without the quotes) |
| 01:50.07 | widrone | silverton: and the .config from a xbox kernel compile is not what you are after either. =) |
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| 01:50.10 | ctx144k | hello all |
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| 01:50.22 | Azar | ok googling then :) |
| 01:50.33 | vrt | is it possible to limit suexec'ed cgi scripts with the pam limits? |
| 01:50.37 | ctx144k | im searching for an good dns-server... |
| 01:50.55 | ShorTie | no help with checkin mail from command prompt? |
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| 01:51.16 | ShorTie | 151.197.0.39 preaty good ctx |
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| 01:52.04 | Tortel | ShorTie: try "mail" |
| 01:52.06 | Tortel | :P |
| 01:52.14 | Tortel | may work, tis what i use |
| 01:52.25 | Tortel | for sommand line based mail anyway |
| 01:52.58 | ShorTie | ok says 1 message |
| 01:53.04 | ctx144k | ShorTie: thnxs :) |
| 01:53.07 | ShorTie | how i look at it |
| 01:53.11 | Tortel | enter |
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| 01:53.20 | Tortel | or the # of the message |
| 01:53.26 | Azar | beoba, I get frustrated with old articles on google, I don't seem to manage that |
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| 01:53.46 | Tortel | the # of the message then enter |
| 01:53.51 | Tortel | well, bedtime all |
| 01:53.53 | Tortel | nn |
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| 01:54.08 | ShorTie | thankz |
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| 01:56.01 | ShorTie | looks like a X11 authorization prob |
| 01:56.01 | silverton | google has become a very big part of my life |
| 01:56.05 | silverton | I was at www.google.com |
| 01:56.13 | silverton | it is my homepage |
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| 01:56.26 | silverton | and I clicked the address bar, typed www.goog and thought, wtf am I doing?! |
| 01:56.37 | bob2 | hah |
| 01:56.39 | sbk | Guerin: vis-a-vis the /dev/random question: I'm apparently unable to make entropy :-) The machine is in a colo, so can't touch keyboard or mouse. I'm ssh'ed in, so clearly the network shouldbe tickling it. I also have dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/null running, and neither of these are unblocking a cat on /dev/random |
| 01:56.55 | bob2 | er, box |
| 01:57.09 | bob2 | sbk: I don't know that network devices contribute entropy by default |
| 01:57.14 | bob2 | there used to be patches for it |
| 01:57.27 | sbk | bob2: ah, ok. How about disk accesses? Do they do it by default? |
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| 01:57.34 | bob2 | they should do |
| 01:57.38 | scarynetworkguy | sbk: Pick a random large dir and tar it. Works for me. |
| 01:57.49 | bob2 | (the theory was that attackers could influence network interupts, iirc) |
| 01:58.58 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Get a rodent. Place rodent in cage. Place keyboard at bottom of cage. QED. |
| 01:59.00 | sbk | scarynetworkguy: I'm runnig tar cvf - / > /dev/null, and /dev/random is still blocked. |
| 01:59.13 | sbk | scarynetworkguy: as also a dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/null |
| 01:59.13 | bob2 | sbk: what kernel version? |
| 01:59.31 | sbk | bob2: 2.4.29smp |
| 01:59.34 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Hehe. |
| 01:59.36 | Phated | s/a rodent/rodents/ |
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| 01:59.52 | Phated | Entropy in a cage! |
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| 02:00.08 | Phated | We could MARKET this! |
| 02:00.27 | scarynetworkguy | Yeah, we could. |
| 02:00.42 | Azar | bob2: DFE-530TX+ is in fact 8139too, rtl8139(old) the one that I am with through Woody and Sarge, for me is perfect. |
| 02:00.59 | Gregorovius | what program can I use to open adobe crd files? |
| 02:01.24 | bob2 | Azar: I'm pretty sure 8139too and rtl8139 are different drivers for the same chip |
| 02:01.41 | bushito | how can i upgrade to testing from sarge without downloading testing =) |
| 02:02.26 | bob2 | bushito: you can't |
| 02:02.40 | bob2 | bushito: upgrading obviously involves downloading newer versions of packages |
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| 02:02.47 | bob2 | bushito: if that's ok, /msg dpkg stable->testing |
| 02:03.00 | bushito | bob2 i mean without downloading the cds =) li |
| 02:03.11 | sbk | bob2: I notice that the config for this kernel is compiled with CONFIG_HW_RANDOM=m, but lsmod doesn't seem to have any module that I can immediately see with the string 'random' in it |
| 02:03.27 | bob2 | bushito: oh, right, there you go |
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| 02:03.45 | bob2 | sbk: only recent via, amd and intel chipsets have hardware random devices, I think |
| 02:03.58 | sbk | bob2: oh, I see. ok. |
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| 02:06.46 | Azar | bob2, I just found that specification here http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/Ethernet-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.16, at the DFE-530TX+, DFE-538TX line |
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| 02:08.12 | jordo23 | How do you check in debian which version you are running? |
| 02:08.33 | bob2 | cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 02:09.56 | jordo23 | bob2: it says testing/unstable....this was when sarge was the testing version. Is there a way to upgrade to stable? |
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| 02:10.57 | bob2 | jordo23: sure, point /etc/apt/sources.list at stable and dist-upgrade |
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| 02:14.08 | jordo23 | bob2: all I do is replace testing with stable in sources.list? |
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| 02:14.29 | pearl | jordo23: yes |
| 02:15.04 | jordo23 | pearl: which command do you use to upgrade to stable? |
| 02:15.25 | silverton | omfg, this shit is starting to piss me off >:O |
| 02:15.47 | servus | apt-seppuku --without-honour |
| 02:15.53 | bob2 | jordo23: apt-get dist-upgrade.... |
| 02:17.16 | thingfish | hehe |
| 02:17.46 | servus | Ha ha ha, look! Somebody has made a Debian joke! |
| 02:18.05 | silverton | sched.c:213: error: conflicting types for 'reschedule_idle' |
| 02:18.08 | silverton | what does that mean? |
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| 02:24.04 | roadfish | when I use "gaim", where the heck are the transferred files saved??? |
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| 02:25.51 | bob2 | silverton: that the code is broken |
| 02:26.00 | Azar | Skyld Software : Linux Network Driver Updates for Kernels 1.2.0 through 2.4 ? obviously some do not know about the 2.6 kernels? |
| 02:26.16 | Guerin | i never run out of entropy, i have bunneh |
| 02:26.25 | Thanatermesis | I: Checking component main on http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian... |
| 02:26.25 | Thanatermesis | E: Couldn't find these debs: libsigc++-1.2-5c102 |
| 02:26.35 | Guerin | !redhat crap |
| 02:26.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, redhat crap is 'apt-get install libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1' if you get 'libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file' (get it from woody if you use sarge or sid), or ** NEW redhat crap! If you're missing libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3, it's in woody's libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 package (get it from oldstable/woody archives since it's obsolete) |
| 02:26.36 | Thanatermesis | this is the error with creating a debootstrap of "etch" :/ |
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| 02:26.48 | Guerin | hrm, that might not be it |
| 02:27.18 | Guerin | Thanatermesis: find out what the package is called now and edit the script |
| 02:27.49 | bob2 | Azar: ignore that |
| 02:28.08 | bob2 | Azar: the 8139 driver is in the kernel and maintained there, not by scyld |
| 02:28.20 | Thanatermesis | its posible to make a "ppc" or "amd64" debootsrap system ? |
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| 02:28.29 | Guerin | Thanatermesis: sure. |
| 02:28.32 | Thanatermesis | mmmh, an another arch system in a chroot |
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| 02:28.37 | Seb | is there any way with say 2.6.12 to use cdrecord as a regular user ? |
| 02:28.45 | Seb | i'm using dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 but that works only as root |
| 02:28.49 | Whistleboy | any recommendations on whether to install a nvidia card the "debian way" or the "nvidia way"? |
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| 02:28.55 | Seb | Whistleboy: the debian way |
| 02:28.58 | Thanatermesis | mmh, and im posible to enter in it and use Guerin ? for example for compile or construct packages ? |
| 02:29.12 | sbk | Guerin: weird about the entropy problem I'm seeing. I'm betting there's something fishy with this particular machine, but I can't track it down. A different machine with an identical kernel does not block /dev/random |
| 02:29.13 | Guerin | Thanatermesis: eh9~/ |
| 02:29.14 | Whistleboy | I am referring to http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
| 02:29.23 | Seb | Whistleboy: we know |
| 02:29.34 | Seb | Whistleboy: don't use the nvidia installer, use the debian way |
| 02:29.38 | bob2 | Thanatermesis: not simply |
| 02:29.54 | Whistleboy | ok, that is what I thought, but I thought I would make sure. |
| 02:30.09 | Whistleboy | I assume the debian way keeps the drivers up to date if they change? |
| 02:30.21 | Seb | so, nobody's burning CDs as a regular user in here ? :> |
| 02:30.30 | Thanatermesis | ok.. |
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| 02:30.41 | bushito | is debian testing the same debian as unstable?? |
| 02:30.44 | bob2 | bushito: no |
| 02:30.51 | bob2 | Thanatermesis: what are yo utrying to do? |
| 02:31.00 | Thanatermesis | a simple quieston... same to this package "libsigc++-1.2-5c102" ... why this strange mix of "version + package_name" ? |
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| 02:31.09 | Thanatermesis | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:31.21 | dondelelcaro | Thanatermesis: that's tied up in the C++ ABI transition |
| 02:31.30 | Guerin | Thanatermesis: that's an ABI symbol version |
| 02:31.40 | Guerin | Thanatermesis: i think the current one is c2 |
| 02:31.54 | Thanatermesis | bob2 exactly ? the same liveCD of i build but for another arch's |
| 02:32.57 | Gregorovius | is there a command to find out if I have a program capable of opening a certaing file? |
| 02:33.19 | Thanatermesis | yes... but i like to understand why is used this way.. what is ABI exactly, any doc ? this is only for "testing" systems, yes ? |
| 02:33.26 | Thanatermesis | Gregorovius whereis command ? |
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| 02:34.21 | Gregorovius | no, I mean... like the file command tells me the type of file it is, something that tells me what program is capable of opening it |
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| 02:35.05 | Guerin | Gregorovius: not really |
| 02:35.15 | wm3t | Can someone recommend a way to **safely** change partition sizes w/ sarge. I don't want to reload, just make /home smaller and give the free space to /var |
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| 02:35.18 | Guerin | Gregorovius: use 'file' to see what it is, and google to find out how to open it |
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| 02:35.40 | Thanatermesis | dpkg abi |
| 02:35.41 | bob2 | wm3t: depends on the filesystems |
| 02:35.45 | Guerin | wm3t: no such thing as safe partition manipulation |
| 02:35.58 | wm3t | bob2: all partitions are ext3 |
| 02:35.59 | Thanatermesis | what is ABI exactly ? |
| 02:36.04 | bob2 | wm3t: parted will give it a ago, probably, but I'd want backups before I let anything touch the partition table |
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| 02:36.13 | Guerin | Thanatermesis: abi means application binary interface, it's how programs talk to each other |
| 02:36.25 | mozez | does a webserver always record all IPs that access a link? (or do you manually have to turn that feature on?) |
| 02:36.26 | bob2 | Thanatermesis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_binary_interface |
| 02:36.33 | bob2 | Thanatermesis: it won't make sense unless you're a programmer, tho |
| 02:36.38 | Guerin | Thanatermesis: you don't need to know any of this; you just need to know that programs which have different ABIs can't work together |
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| 02:36.46 | bob2 | mozez: apache by default logs the ip of all incomings requests, yes |
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| 02:36.58 | Guerin | mozez: /var/log/apache/access.log |
| 02:37.05 | mozez | tnx |
| 02:37.27 | wm3t | bob2: i really don't have anything special on the box. I just don't want to have to reload |
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| 02:37.34 | bob2 | wm3t: then parted it up |
| 02:37.43 | wm3t | bob2: tnx |
| 02:37.57 | syntaxx | im trying to compile a new kernel i just wanna know if there's a safest way to do that without giving any depricated lines and warnings.. |
| 02:38.22 | Guerin | syntaxx: no. |
| 02:38.35 | Guerin | !warnings |
| 02:38.36 | dpkg | Yerp, lots of software outputs warnings. Kernel module warnings on boot, mplayer warnings, GTK warnings, X11 warnings, build warnings, gpg warnings. Don't be scared - informative output is a GOOD THING. Consider yourself warned, and if the program works as expected, be happy. |
| 02:39.01 | syntaxx | Guerin, depricated lines is also normal? |
| 02:39.06 | Guerin | syntaxx: yes. |
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| 02:39.31 | Guerin | syntaxx: deprecated means "you should change to this new better way, because at some point in the future this way might stop working" |
| 02:39.49 | Guerin | if it works, that point hasn't yet come, so be happy. |
| 02:40.02 | Octalthorpe | Guerin : Usually best considered as a "...will stop working..." |
| 02:40.12 | syntaxx | Guerin, ok thanks |
| 02:40.23 | Thanatermesis | mmmh, sorry Guerin bob2 , im speak in reality of the *c102 type of name+version packaging... i need to understand this *new* method, before, all packages have 1- name of package, 2- version .. in "testing" has actually packages with a name + a name of version in the name of the variable, typically starts with the c[number]$ ... any doc of the method of package ? |
| 02:40.24 | Octalthorpe | But I guess that's neither here nor there. |
| 02:40.25 | Guerin | Octalthorpe: of concern to the author of the code, not the the end-user. |
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| 02:40.54 | Octalthorpe | C'est vrai. |
| 02:41.00 | Guerin | Thanatermesis: some packages have the version series IN the packagename |
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| 02:41.14 | bob2 | Thanatermesis: this has nothing to do with the package version |
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| 02:41.33 | bob2 | Thanatermesis: the filename will be libfoo-1.2.3c1_1.2.3-2_i386.deb |
| 02:41.57 | bob2 | Thanatermesis: libfoo-1.2.3c1 is the package name (which happens to encode some version information), 1.2.3 is the upstream version, -2 is the debian revision |
| 02:41.58 | Guerin | Thanatermesis: search libsigc++ in etch, find out what the equivalent lib is in etch, and edit the debootstrap script to get that lib, instead of the old one |
| 02:42.38 | Thanatermesis | yes... but why put in the packagename Guerin ? this is not the "normal" way... exist a reason for this of i don't know.. |
| 02:42.47 | Guerin | Thanatermesis: it IS the normal way |
| 02:42.57 | Thanatermesis | libsigc++0c102 - Type-safe Signal Framework for C++ - runtime |
| 02:42.58 | Thanatermesis | libsigc-perl - Perl bindings to the libsigc++ signal library |
| 02:43.05 | Guerin | Thanatermesis: if there's more than one version of a package in debian, there needs to be some way of distinguishing them, no? |
| 02:43.19 | Thanatermesis | this pakcagenames, one have ONLY the name, and another the name+version, for "call" packagename |
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| 02:43.48 | Thanatermesis | yes Guerin , of course, this is a way |
| 02:43.51 | Octalthorpe | Thanatermesis : For some packages its desirious to have multiple versions available.. autoconf being a good example. |
| 02:43.59 | Guerin | Thanatermesis: either accept what we're telling you, or read the debian policy manual instructions on package naming requirements. |
| 02:44.13 | Guerin | Thanatermesis: this is the way it is. |
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| 02:44.39 | Thanatermesis | mmmh, ok thanks :) |
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| 02:46.21 | budreefer | debian is so sexy |
| 02:46.22 | budreefer | :) |
| 02:46.31 | budreefer | i am vewy impressed |
| 02:47.56 | Gregorovius | it's been 2 months since I booted debian... apt-get is taking forever *yawns* |
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| 02:50.17 | widrone | budreefer: It runs on the tiny to the large, yes lets rejoice! Its fun aswell...and supports a whole range of arches. |
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| 02:55.25 | Thanatermesis | elive:/# apt-get install libstdc++6 |
| 02:55.25 | Thanatermesis | apt-get: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot... |
| 02:55.28 | Thanatermesis | mmmh |
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| 02:56.22 | Gregorovius | Fetched 443MB in 2h19m17s (53.0kB/s)... pfft |
| 02:56.45 | interbird | Yeah, Debbie is the most sexy OS for shure ! |
| 02:57.13 | Thanatermesis | strange... |
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| 02:57.26 | Thanatermesis | i have dpkg -x package dir but continue don't working..... |
| 02:57.32 | dondelelcaro | Thanatermesis: uh... what exactly have you done to libstdc++.so.6? |
| 02:57.50 | dondelelcaro | Thanatermesis: and why pray tell did you do that? |
| 02:57.57 | Thanatermesis | dondelelcaro i have maked a debootstrap, enter and if im type "apt-get install", shows this message |
| 02:58.23 | Thanatermesis | install blah |
| 02:58.28 | dondelelcaro | Thanatermesis: your debootstrap is screwed. Get a new one, then chroot into it and run apt-setup; apt-get update; apt-get install foo; |
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| 02:58.54 | Thanatermesis | elive:/# apt-setup |
| 02:58.54 | Thanatermesis | apt-config: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: |
| 02:58.56 | Thanatermesis | :/ |
| 02:59.06 | dabaR | Mrl33t: /msg dpkg any ideas |
| 02:59.09 | dondelelcaro | Thanatermesis: you skipped step 1. Get a new debootstrap. |
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| 02:59.45 | Thanatermesis | dondelelcaro "stable" version and upgrade to testing ? |
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| 03:00.05 | dondelelcaro | Thanatermesis: lets back up here. What exactly are you doing? |
| 03:00.21 | Thanatermesis | i need to make a new chroot env in ETCH |
| 03:00.25 | bushito | is gnome better than kde??? |
| 03:00.43 | Thanatermesis | no bushito , the pure console is better :) |
| 03:01.06 | bushito | -_-`, Thanatermesis T_T |
| 03:02.13 | interbird | bushito: Matter of taste... |
| 03:02.23 | Thanatermesis | bushito one person speak "kde better", and another speak "gnome better", what person like you more ? |
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| 03:02.57 | bushito | well i wanna hear why the say their position =) cause saying that one is better cause you have it isnt enough |
| 03:03.07 | interbird | bushito: Real question is: which one suits you... |
| 03:03.13 | servus | Thanatermesis: The answer: ctrl-alt-f1. |
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| 03:03.36 | Thanatermesis | in any case bushito , IMHO i don't like kde/gnome, i don't use any of this :) |
| 03:03.40 | bushito | interbird, yeah thats a better question, but i wanna know their functions, cause to me they do the same thing |
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| 03:04.04 | bushito | Thanatermesis, why??, you are just a programmer ??? |
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| 03:04.15 | bushito | Thanatermesis, cant you watch videos on pc'? |
| 03:04.18 | Thanatermesis | no bushito , im not programmer :) |
| 03:04.23 | Thanatermesis | but preffer another WM |
| 03:04.24 | interbird | bushito: That's because the both do the same -- they provide a Desktop :-) |
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| 03:04.53 | stew | bushito: just try them both and see when one your are move comfortable with |
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| 03:05.01 | wOOt | bushito, http://www.enlightenment.org/ |
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| 03:05.14 | Thanatermesis | and yes bushito , my old computer i don't have X, and look videos, watch music, go in a web browser with images... all without X system :) |
| 03:05.15 | interbird | bushito: You can use them both -- and after some time you might like one above the other... |
| 03:05.19 | Thanatermesis | its posible :) |
| 03:05.36 | wOOt | framebuffer ROX |
| 03:05.40 | interbird | bushito: Like I said, matter of taste :-) |
| 03:05.43 | Thanatermesis | yep :) |
| 03:06.08 | bushito | interbird, i got both and when i boot it asks me with wich one i wanna start, but gnome looks like w 98 while Kde like windows XP >_>. jejeje |
| 03:06.22 | wOOt | haha |
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| 03:07.19 | bushito | now another window manager what that! AHH =S |
| 03:07.19 | interbird | bushito: Well, maybe you like those better than -- since you are now comparing four desktops altogether. |
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| 03:07.53 | bushito | lol well thats only in look and it not right to judge a thing by look i wanna know funcitons and google doesnt hel p=) |
| 03:07.55 | Thanatermesis | bushito this is bad ? more windows managers more ! welcome it ! :) |
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| 03:08.15 | bushito | lol now i got to investigate about 3 Desktop bringers =) |
| 03:08.17 | interbird | bushito: Gnome goes OS X and KDE goes Vista in my view -- at least at the moment... |
| 03:08.37 | wOOt | bushito, checked enlightenment ?? |
| 03:08.42 | tvn | icewm -> win95 |
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| 03:09.00 | bushito | w00t yes (o_O) and it looks kinda megaman for supernintendo =) |
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| 03:09.06 | wOOt | hahah lol |
| 03:09.15 | Thanatermesis | bushito 3 ? exist anothers :) but yes, this is the more used... |
| 03:09.26 | bushito | no! dont tell me more!! |
| 03:09.34 | Thanatermesis | O:) |
| 03:09.37 | bushito | i would kill myself =P trying to rad about em |
| 03:09.42 | bushito | read* |
| 03:09.51 | bushito | it is enough with linux books XD |
| 03:10.02 | gravity | Just try them |
| 03:10.08 | gravity | You don't have to read about them |
| 03:10.13 | gravity | Well, aside from the manpages |
| 03:10.15 | Thanatermesis | megaman bushito ? you have look this shots ? http://www.elivecd.org/gb/Screenshots/index.html |
| 03:10.19 | Thanatermesis | O:) |
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| 03:10.35 | gravity | Ugh... E |
| 03:10.43 | wOOt | http://www.enlightenment.org/Enlightenment/Screenshots/index.html |
| 03:10.55 | Thanatermesis | yes gravity ... E :) |
| 03:10.57 | gravity | For years no one gave a shit (thankfully). Now it's back. |
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| 03:11.05 | stew | yup |
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| 03:11.26 | gravity | Why did we stop giving a shit? Oh yeah. Because it's eyecandy that's really not that useful. |
| 03:11.40 | xfan | whats the best of E17 ? |
| 03:11.44 | bushito | oh it is about looks eehh look this one of kde 3.4 =) |
| 03:11.44 | Thanatermesis | hahaha, true gravity ... true, but i have used E all my life :) |
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| 03:12.09 | Thanatermesis | xfan, the powered libs |
| 03:12.15 | gravity | All your life? |
| 03:12.17 | gravity | That's a long time. |
| 03:12.26 | stew | must be young |
| 03:12.31 | gravity | No kidding |
| 03:12.44 | Thanatermesis | no no...all my life in linux... but after 2 years in the black powered console :) |
| 03:12.45 | bushito | look at this one =D http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=27046 |
| 03:13.08 | xfan | and about the visual ? |
| 03:14.01 | bushito | ;) and what toy guys say about that one isnt it cool?? |
| 03:14.12 | bushito | toy = you |
| 03:14.18 | wOOt | bushito, u like that thing? lol |
| 03:14.21 | Thanatermesis | of course xfan , the powered libs give you the posibility of make very eye-candy visual interfaces... look this example: http://elive.xasein.com/misc/elpanel.avi |
| 03:14.35 | bushito | yeah i love all that got electricity and metalic componets =) |
| 03:14.37 | P8ntKid | Lol that is more of a disgrace to KDE then what kde allready is. |
| 03:14.43 | xfan | ok, lets see... |
| 03:15.24 | bushito | it got the system manager as a display status of your robot i love that (O_O) |
| 03:15.42 | xfan | EDE is a good and fast KDE alternative |
| 03:15.53 | bushito | EDE?? >_> |
| 03:15.55 | bushito | !ede |
| 03:16.00 | bushito | >_> no ede |
| 03:16.02 | Thanatermesis | but not is only eye-candy.. i speak "powered libs", because has a very impressive optimization... render the effects in real-time, resize + aliasing and another things in real-time |
| 03:16.12 | xfan | yes, !ede |
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| 03:27.13 | Thanatermesis | xfan has look the video ? |
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| 03:27.14 | teknotus | I seem to have broken dpkg in a weird way. It keeps failing to install anything because it fails a signature check yet there seems to be no packages that can perform a signature check installed, and trying to install one fails because it can't check the signature of one. |
| 03:27.15 | interbird | jordo23: i'm on #flood ? |
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| 03:27.17 | eXa_bOy | nice... |
| 03:27.17 | xfan | yes, look incredible! |
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| 03:27.17 | xfan | looks |
| 03:27.17 | Octalthorpe | teknotus : It shouldn't /fail/, it should just warn? |
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| 03:27.18 | starscalling | i see someone figured out what a botnet is |
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| 03:27.18 | Octalthorpe | starscalling : That's called the opposite of a netsplit.. |
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| 03:27.18 | starscalling | :P |
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| 03:27.34 | starscalling | though the intial part would be the netsplit... |
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| 03:28.01 | Octalthorpe | And now we've just got the normal comings-and-goings for a several-hundred-person channel, eh? |
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| 03:28.20 | starscalling | :P sounds right XD |
| 03:28.27 | starscalling | hey im a rizon kid |
| 03:28.30 | starscalling | im used to it <.< |
| 03:28.37 | Octalthorpe | I don't know what that means. |
| 03:29.02 | wOOt | teknotus, you can disable checking for signatures... bad-verify option (man dpkg) |
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| 03:29.35 | Thanatermesis | Install these packages without verification [y/N]? |
| 03:29.47 | Thanatermesis | oh, the verification has enter in ETCH ? |
| 03:29.49 | starscalling | rizon is another net that has been famous for its ddos attacks and netsplits especially in the past |
| 03:29.55 | starscalling | though its been much better lately |
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| 03:30.45 | Octalthorpe | Ah. |
| 03:31.04 | Octalthorpe | Thanatermesis : Yeah. |
| 03:31.18 | Thanatermesis | humm |
| 03:31.21 | Thanatermesis | ok |
| 03:31.22 | Octalthorpe | Thanatermesis : Just tell it 'yes' there, for at least 'gnupg,' and hope that someone hasn't done something malicious to the gnupg package on your mirror. |
| 03:31.30 | Octalthorpe | (gnupg is what it uses to check signatures) |
| 03:31.43 | Thanatermesis | ok, thanks |
| 03:32.00 | Octalthorpe | No problem. |
| 03:32.17 | Octalthorpe | Send beer and cheques. :D |
| 03:32.37 | Spudchat | !BEER Octalthorpe |
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| 03:33.27 | Octalthorpe | Mmm, beer. |
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| 03:34.35 | kurumin | hi |
| 03:34.44 | Octalthorpe | Alright, I'm off to sleep, and so's the laptop. Later, folks. |
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| 03:35.39 | kurumin | i used kurumin who based in debian. The debian is good, too? |
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| 03:36.16 | xfan | kurumin is a great choise, i use now ! |
| 03:36.25 | xfan | kurumin 4.2 |
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| 03:37.17 | kurumin | i use 5,0 |
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| 03:37.47 | minra | i have a hunch the debian xorg package has a problem... |
| 03:37.54 | gravity | Are we going to have to add another derivative to the various based on Debian |
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| 03:37.59 | gravity | factoids |
| 03:38.19 | kurumin | more the kernel 2.6 not suport my softmodem hsp56 |
| 03:38.20 | minra | libGL error: dlopen /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/r200_dri.so failed (/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/r200_dri.so: undefined symbol: _glapi_get_dispatch) |
| 03:38.48 | xfan | how better is the 5.0 ? |
| 03:38.57 | gravity | minra: kurumin is OT here |
| 03:39.04 | gravity | minra: Sorry, that wasn't for you |
| 03:39.18 | gravity | If you guys want to talk about kurumin, that's fine, but please do it elsewhere. #kurumin perhaps |
| 03:39.42 | xfan | my softmodem hsp56 works fine with 4.2 - kernel 2.6 |
| 03:40.00 | xfan | sorry, kurumin is a brazilian-name of debian |
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| 03:40.09 | thc | 4.2 eh |
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| 03:40.20 | thc | where'd ya get that kernel |
| 03:40.26 | kurumin | I'm brazilian |
| 03:40.34 | thc | cool |
| 03:40.35 | gravity | No, it's not |
| 03:40.38 | thc | !br |
| 03:40.38 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 03:40.51 | gravity | The Brazilian name of Debian is Debian |
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| 03:41.08 | xfan | gravity : you are rigth |
| 03:42.00 | xfan | then... its a brazilian "edition or version" of debian |
| 03:43.01 | gravity | It's a Debian Derivative |
| 03:43.08 | kurumin | yes |
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| 03:43.09 | gravity | It's not Debian |
| 03:43.20 | xfan | thats a better definition |
| 03:43.25 | gravity | Look, do I really have to have this discussion again? |
| 03:43.37 | gravity | We had it with Ubuntu'ers. We had it with Knoppix'ers. |
| 03:43.40 | xfan | its like a knoppix |
| 03:43.42 | gravity | And Kanotix'ers. |
| 03:43.49 | gravity | !basedondebian |
| 03:43.59 | gravity | Anyway, it's OT here. |
| 03:44.04 | interbird | Anyone knows anything about booting and kernel messages ? |
| 03:44.07 | Mitsui_Sam | what should be this erro kmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k block-major-3, errno = 2 during boot and after it a kernel panic saying VFS: cannot open root device "302" or 03:02?? |
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| 03:44.51 | kurumin | I know, version of kernel corrupt |
| 03:44.54 | xfan | its more easy to talk about the debian packages, because its compose of them |
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| 03:45.26 | thc | xfan: where do you buy your crack? |
| 03:45.58 | xfan | ummm, i dont know |
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| 03:46.46 | mfrisch | thc ;-0~ |
| 03:46.54 | xfan | xD |
| 03:47.19 | phrontist | I'm trying to install FUSE |
| 03:47.25 | interbird | Wie is vandaag de Bob ? |
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| 03:47.58 | phrontist | Der zein meer dan een persoon dat is "Bob"? Wat is "Bob"?! |
| 03:48.01 | mfrisch | phrontist whats that? |
| 03:48.18 | phrontist | http://fuse.sourceforge.net/ |
| 03:48.22 | phrontist | User System File Space |
| 03:48.31 | phrontist | I installed the relevant packages with apt-get |
| 03:48.45 | phrontist | yet when I "modprobe fuse" it says the module doesn't exist |
| 03:48.46 | xfan | fuse its a file system |
| 03:48.52 | phrontist | do I have to reboot? |
| 03:49.00 | interbird | Esta "Bob" esta "Bewust Onbeschonken Bestuurder", genau ? :-) |
| 03:49.03 | mfrisch | another ... |
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| 03:49.33 | roler | I am having trouble after my debian server upgrade with dovecot pop3/imap access.. It says in my logs "Oct 18 20:46:07 fordmuscle dovecot: pop3(chris): file_lock_dotlock() failed with mbox file /var/mail/chris: Permission denied" ... when I chmod 777 /var/mail everything works okay. obviously I do not want to do this. Can anyone please help me??? |
| 03:49.44 | mfrisch | phrontist did you recompilied a patched kernel |
| 03:50.14 | phrontist | mfrisch: no, how do I do that? do I just run make... did the fuse-source package patch it? |
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| 03:50.46 | interbird | roler: Maybe the user imap runs under has changed ? |
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| 03:51.33 | interbird | phrontist: That must be quite a revelation :-) |
| 03:51.34 | mfrisch | phrontist check /usr/share/doc/* should explain requirements in README |
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| 03:52.13 | phrontist | so in order to use FUSE I have to recompile the kernel, eh? :-( |
| 03:52.16 | stew | no |
| 03:52.23 | roler | perhaps... |
| 03:52.44 | interbird | roler: Checked log-files ? |
| 03:52.53 | stew | phrontist: apt-get install build-essential kenrel-headers-$(uname -r) module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fuse && modprobe fuse |
| 03:53.22 | phrontist | stew: is that all one big line I should mindlessly paste? |
| 03:53.44 | phrontist | :-) |
| 03:53.46 | roler | interbird; that was in the log files. but I think I got it. dovecot's new installation rem'd out an optin in the config |
| 03:53.47 | roler | thanks guys |
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| 03:53.56 | ZzZzZzZzZz | hi |
| 03:54.12 | stew | phrontist: feel free to ask what any part of it does |
| 03:54.15 | stew | phrontist: /msg dpkg m-a |
| 03:54.16 | interbird | phrontist: .config is the file you want to keep while compilign a custom kernel -- but you know that of course |
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| 03:54.39 | interbird | roler: Ok, track-it-down |
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| 03:56.27 | phrontist | interbird: no, I didn't |
| 03:56.54 | interbird | phrontist: Fine by me |
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| 03:57.28 | interbird | phrontist: Da machs mich nicht aus |
| 03:57.34 | TwistedEmotions | !seen deadcat |
| 03:57.35 | dpkg | deadcat is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 26253 messages. Is idling for 20h 48m 51s |
| 03:57.45 | TwistedEmotions | !seen TwistedEmotions |
| 03:57.45 | dpkg | twistedemotions is currently on #debian (4h 46m 8s). Has said a total of 6874 messages. Is idling for 0s |
| 03:57.52 | ahewitt | hey all...I have having a great deal of issues with my apache2 setup. I am using mod_vhost_ldap to pull virtual host config from LDAP and it works, but as soon as I put the server into production the load starts increasing and stagnates at ~560 load. I have straced the processes and discovered that the child processes keep hanging at "GetTimeOfDay"...I have scoured the internet for weeks and I can't find anyone with teh same issue, let alone a res |
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| 03:59.46 | stew | ahewitt: tried asking in #apache? |
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| 04:00.11 | interbird | ahewitt: Tried other apache2 configs ? -- like the traditinal in stead of the worker model ? |
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| 04:02.01 | bsims | some times I love being so glib... I had a cow-orker blather about how in her opinion "Insert Stupid Idea here, was a good idea for the notwork..." I replied "No, you don't /have/ an opinion. You're not qualified... You don't tell me how to run a network and I don't tell how *not* to sell tools" |
| 04:02.19 | EvilSporkMan | i have a repeatable crash bug in firefox and epiphany; I think the problem is in gecko. the link is http://www-personal.umich.edu/~lotfmina/photography/; |
| 04:02.26 | interbird | ahewitt: Also, do you use nscd for ldap-cache ? |
| 04:03.09 | stew | EvilSporkMan: try creating a new user to see if it happens in a fresh firefox config |
| 04:03.10 | EvilSporkMan | er, no semicolon at the end there, and i don't think gecko's in its own package, so how do i go about reporting the bug? for reference, I'm on AMD64 running pure64 etch |
| 04:03.22 | EvilSporkMan | stew: i never use epiphany and it choked there |
| 04:03.33 | stew | EvilSporkMan: /msg dpkg reportbug |
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| 04:03.40 | stew | EvilSporkMan: what version of firefox? |
| 04:03.55 | GeekUnit | Anyone know how to put the network install of sarge onto a pendrive from Windows XP? |
| 04:04.06 | EvilSporkMan | stew: 1.0.6-5. it's not the 1.0.7 DoS 'sploit; that freezes firefox instead of crashing it with BadAlloc |
| 04:04.14 | interbird | EvilSporkMan: I get a lofin-screen... |
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| 04:04.21 | interbird | (login) |
| 04:04.58 | EvilSporkMan | interbird: something about kerberos login? great, maybe those pages can only be accessed from umich IPs |
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| 04:05.24 | interbird | EvilSporkMan: Dunno, I see a login-page |
| 04:05.35 | stew | page works fine from here |
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| 04:05.43 | EvilSporkMan | stew: choked in the fresh firefox config as well. works fine in dillo. |
| 04:05.45 | interbird | GeekUnit: ?? |
| 04:06.20 | ahewitt | sorry guys...new irc client...anyways, yes I have tried in #apache, yes I have tried a different apache server and I have tried with and without ncsd |
| 04:06.51 | EvilSporkMan | stew: same firefox? |
| 04:06.55 | interbird | GeekUnit: Put the ISO on the pendrive I guess -- why not use Knoppix to do that ? |
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| 04:07.39 | ahewitt | If I use a different virtual host -> ldap module (such as cfg_ldap) it works fine, however none of the other modules support suexec |
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| 04:08.10 | hcy | hi, my harddisk seems to be failing and buying a new one and reinstalling debian seems inevitable. At the moment I'm not able to boot into linux -- I haven't tried knoppix yet, that's my next step. however, booting windows is working (from a different partition on the same harddrive- go figure) and I seem to be able to access files in my linux partition from windows, using ext2fsd. so i'm quickly backing things up. Question - what files from |
| 04:08.10 | hcy | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:08.35 | GeekUnit | interbird: don't have a CD burner on this computer :( |
| 04:08.46 | nuclearpenguin | hey, i have LAME installed via apt-get but when i try to run this program that needs it, it says it cant find shared library libmp3lame.so.0, any ideas? |
| 04:08.58 | GeekUnit | interbird: So, you think all I need to do is extract the .iso file onto the pendrive and it'll boot? |
| 04:09.01 | EvilSporkMan | hcy: i would just save /home and /etc and try really hard to only copy the minimal amount of stuff (i.e. only things you saved) |
| 04:09.04 | interbird | GeekUnit: You don't need that to flash a stick |
| 04:09.06 | EvilSporkMan | er, thinks you changed |
| 04:09.17 | hcy | EvilSporkMan, thanks |
| 04:09.25 | widrone | hcy: get /etc and /home |
| 04:09.27 | bsims | hcy: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-get --reinstall install to reinstall every package on your system... dumping it to a file should be trivial |
| 04:09.29 | interbird | GeekUnit: Yes -- Have the ISO ready |
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| 04:09.43 | interbird | GeekUnit: Boot from a Knoppix CD |
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| 04:10.02 | GeekUnit | interbird: I don't have a knoppix CD atm. :( Can you think of any other way? |
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| 04:10.15 | interbird | GeekUnit: Yes |
| 04:10.16 | stew | EvilSporkMan: yeah same firefox, on x86 though |
| 04:10.30 | hcy | bsims, good idea, thanks |
| 04:10.32 | EvilSporkMan | stew: I'll see if anyone in #debian-amd64 can reproduce |
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| 04:10.49 | bsims | hcy: I found that once on the mailinglist |
| 04:10.52 | interbird | GeekUnit: Get a Knoppix CD, you already mastered to get XP :-) |
| 04:10.54 | hcy | bsims, *if* I'm able to get into knoppix and chroot to that disk, that should work |
| 04:11.16 | interbird | GeekUnit: http://www.knoppix.org |
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| 04:11.23 | bsims | I have the output of COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/ {print $2}' > reinstall_me on my pendrive |
| 04:11.36 | stew | bsims: /msg dpkg selections |
| 04:11.58 | bsims | hcy: or assuming you have /home on a seperate partiton reinstall and then run it |
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| 04:12.15 | GeekUnit | interbird: So you don't know of a way to do this tonight? |
| 04:12.25 | eggy | whats the date/time format for the date command |
| 04:12.30 | interbird | GeekUnit: Yes, I do. |
| 04:12.38 | EvilSporkMan | bsims: he can't do that, the drive is dying |
| 04:12.40 | dondelelcaro | eggy: just use ntpdate |
| 04:12.41 | hcy | bsims, where does apt actually store its installed packages list? |
| 04:12.41 | bsims | stew: sweet thanks |
| 04:12.46 | hcy | bsims, yeah |
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| 04:13.06 | dondelelcaro | eggy: or input it in the same format that date; outputs. man date; if you want to do something else. |
| 04:13.19 | stew | hcy: /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 04:13.40 | hcy | thanks |
| 04:13.57 | bsims | damn reportbugs is down again |
| 04:14.15 | dondelelcaro | bsims: reportbugs? |
| 04:14.35 | aris | how adjust message size in qmail |
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| 04:14.46 | dondelelcaro | aris: ask in #qmail |
| 04:15.12 | interbird | GeekUnit: But it would involve non-free software -- And the time-span would be the same as downloading Knoppix -- I guess the choise is up to you |
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| 04:15.17 | davidefox | hello - missing libXinerama.a over here. supposed to belog to xlibs-static-dev, right? |
| 04:15.43 | GeekUnit | interbird: ahh. I just don't have a way to burn a CD. That's why I'm staying away from knoppix. |
| 04:15.44 | hcy | so i'll save the whole /var/lib/dpkg dir if windows will let me do so |
| 04:15.46 | stew | hcy: /msg dpkg usb-install |
| 04:15.54 | gravity | davidefox: libxinerama-dev.install if you're on etch or sid |
| 04:16.32 | davidefox | gravity: no, on sarge |
| 04:16.32 | hcy | stew, interesting idea, not sure if my dell latitude here can boot from usb. knoppix should be fine though |
| 04:16.36 | interbird | GeekUnit: Again........... You do not need to be able to burn a CD if you want to fill a Stick........ |
| 04:16.36 | gravity | davidefox: Although packages.debian.org is a great resource for such questions |
| 04:17.05 | bsims | dondelelcaro: eh it does seem ironic to report bugs against list-bugs |
| 04:17.07 | davidefox | gravity: ill check there but apt-file suggests the right .deb, but when I install it, the file is not there. |
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| 04:17.18 | interbird | GeekUnit: Are you on Wndows only ? |
| 04:17.19 | gravity | Huh |
| 04:17.22 | bsims | OldMonk: I need to make some preacher cookies... 1/2 cup butter 4 Tablespoons unsweetened cocoa powder 2 cups white sugar 1/2 cup milk 1/8 teaspoon salt 3 cups quick cooking oats 1/2 cup crunchy peanut butter (8 Tablespoons) 1 teaspoon vanilla extract 1) Mix butter or margerine, cocoa, sugar, milk, and salt together in saucepan. Boil for 1 minute. 2) Stir in oatmeal, peanut butter and vanilla. Drop by tablespoonfuls onto waxed paper. |
| 04:17.30 | bsims | damn wrong window |
| 04:17.32 | GeekUnit | interbird: Yeah, right now I'm Windows only. Sorry 'bout the confusion. |
| 04:17.38 | gravity | davidefox: dpkg -L xlibs-statit-dev | grep libXinerama.a |
| 04:17.43 | gravity | static even |
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| 04:18.05 | interbird | GeekUnit: Well, OK. Then you have support from that company, no ? |
| 04:18.20 | widrone | bsims: Yummy! |
| 04:18.28 | davidefox | gravity: nope, not there |
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| 04:18.38 | davidefox | should i file bug report against package |
| 04:18.49 | GeekUnit | interbird: Yeah, I guess so. Just hoping someone in here would know. |
| 04:18.50 | gravity | davidefox: What version of the package do you have installed? |
| 04:18.59 | gravity | davidefox: And on what arch? |
| 04:19.01 | bsims | widrone: eat with whole milk while still not entirely cooled |
| 04:19.02 | hcy | the errors i get when trying to boot debian are journal errors and I/O errors on hda. not even a partition (hda3 or whatever). Is there a way to do a fsck on a drive, not a partition? if windows still seems able to boot from that drive without complaining of hardware failure, that seems odd. |
| 04:19.14 | EvilSporkMan | stew: crash confirmed on sid firefox 1.0.7-1; guess i'll have to file a bug against firefox |
| 04:19.25 | davidefox | 6.8.2.dfsg-1.7bpol.0 |
| 04:19.36 | hiux | how can i access ntfs partitions as a non-root user? |
| 04:19.42 | gravity | davidefox: What the hell is that? That's not XFree86 |
| 04:19.50 | interbird | GeekUnit: Sorry, If I knew I would tell you; but this is a Debian channel -- try #Windows ? |
| 04:20.04 | thc | hiux: mount the partition with the core |
| 04:20.04 | xfan | hiux : edit your fstab |
| 04:20.10 | thc | err |
| 04:20.16 | thc | correct mount options |
| 04:20.22 | GeekUnit | interbird: thanks |
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| 04:20.34 | thc | damn non natural keyboard |
| 04:20.36 | davidefox | gravity - dang it, i did isntall xorg at one time but reverted to xfree86 because of display probs. guess i broke something or other |
| 04:20.37 | interbird | GeekUnit: Welcome |
| 04:21.08 | hiux | i have write this to my fstab : /dev/hda1 /mnt/c ntfs iocharset=cp936 0 0 |
| 04:21.25 | hiux | but non-root user can't access |
| 04:21.33 | thc | hiux: man mount |
| 04:21.39 | gravity | davidefox: Yeah, you have to clear out all those packages. |
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| 04:22.00 | gravity | davidefox: Or just go over all together, in which case you want libxinerama-dev |
| 04:22.16 | interbird | hiux: root can ? |
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| 04:22.36 | hiux | interbird ,root can |
| 04:22.45 | xfan | hiux : tray this: /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 ntfs defaults,users,umask=0000 0 0 |
| 04:23.19 | interbird | hiux: --> xfan |
| 04:23.29 | hiux | thanks you both |
| 04:23.39 | hcy | the errors i get when trying to boot debian are journal errors and I/O errors on hda. not even a partition (hda3 or whatever). Is there a way to do a fsck on a drive, not a partition? if windows still seems able to boot from that drive without complaining of hardware failure, that seems odd. |
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| 04:23.57 | xfan | replace /mnt/hda1 with /mnt/c |
| 04:24.01 | davidefox | gravity - ick |
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| 04:24.40 | gravity | davidefox: Sorry man. |
| 04:24.53 | interbird | hiux: Keep in mind that ntfs is very alien to Lnux -- don't trash your partition |
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| 04:25.24 | bsims | a tabable truely transparent rxvt |
| 04:25.32 | xfan | there isnt a good support for ntfs on linux |
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| 04:25.42 | hiux | interbird, i know , xfan's words does work |
| 04:25.46 | bushito | windows?? |
| 04:25.56 | bsims | xfan: captivefs though that simply steals Mickysofts drivers |
| 04:26.14 | interbird | xfan: Well, there is "captive ntfs" -- ever heard of it ? |
| 04:26.16 | bushito | (O_O) windows an a server that hates widnows X_X |
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| 04:26.44 | xfan | captivefs works right, but very slow |
| 04:27.15 | qnix_ | hi. does anyone know what's the deal with the message "Untrusted packages could compromise your system's security" every time I aptitude install something ? |
| 04:27.42 | qnix_ | is my apt source pointing to some bad server ? |
| 04:27.52 | xfan | slow performance |
| 04:28.28 | EvilSporkMan | would firefox/epiphany crashing on a given site be an important bug or a normal bug? |
| 04:28.45 | interbird | xfan: Maybe so, I don.t see the need to write to NTFS -- I would rather see the ntfs-like acl-stuff be implemented on ext3 and jfs -- but that's just me :-) |
| 04:28.48 | gravity | EvilSporkMan: Try normal and let them reset it if they think it's important. |
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| 04:28.55 | gravity | EvilSporkMan: There's lots of sites that can crash it |
| 04:28.55 | EvilSporkMan | gravity: good thinking |
| 04:28.59 | bsims | EvilSporkMan: normal bug IIRC |
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| 04:29.16 | gravity | Under normal conditions, that'd be important. But firefox is special. |
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| 04:29.52 | EvilSporkMan | gravity: is the fact that the bug is probably in Gecko significant? |
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| 04:30.09 | gravity | EvilSporkMan: I'd include the info |
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| 04:30.31 | xfan | interbird: I dont see too |
| 04:31.08 | thc | .msg dpkg search libsndfile |
| 04:31.13 | thc | ack |
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| 04:31.52 | bsims | the Green Death flavor of nyquil |
| 04:32.05 | interbird | xfan: Well, you can argue abaout it, but ntfs has good Access Control -- Posix get/setfacl does not come near, right ? |
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| 04:32.39 | interbird | xfan: Sorry, misinterpreted |
| 04:32.48 | interbird | xfan: Right :-) |
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| 04:33.15 | xfan | ok |
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| 04:37.47 | pupeno | Hello. |
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| 04:38.31 | pupeno | Is Debian unstable too unstable ? I am consider moving to Debian, but I am already adicted to kde 3.4 and other recent goodies. |
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| 04:39.00 | pupeno | this is for a notebook (i wouldn't run the unstable version on my servers of course). |
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| 04:40.11 | interbird | pupeno: Debian Sarge could be a choise. |
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| 04:40.27 | pupeno | interbird: but Sarge has kde 3.3. |
| 04:40.58 | Guerin | pupeno: etch will have kde 3.4 soon enough |
| 04:41.17 | interbird | pupeno: You can always get newer packages... By changing your sources. |
| 04:41.21 | Guerin | pupeno: the answer to your question is "it could break horribly at any time" |
| 04:41.26 | pupeno | Guerin: days ? weeks ? seconds ? ;) |
| 04:41.30 | bsims | pupeno: its been good reciently though IIRC ssh is borked install apt-listbugs first |
| 04:41.39 | Guerin | interbird: don't advise people to mix sources unless you're prepared to give their your exclusive support. |
| 04:41.45 | Guerin | pupeno: i'd guess weeks. |
| 04:42.15 | interbird | pupeno: Guerin is right |
| 04:42.29 | Guerin | pupeno: bearing in mind that anything involving kde automatically takes ten times as long as it would if there wasn't such an unbelievable mass of interlocking shit |
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| 04:42.52 | bsims | Guerin: heh I run wmaker with kdeapps... Preach it man |
| 04:43.16 | Guerin | bsims: you might as well run kde - you have all the libs loaded already |
| 04:43.36 | bsims | but KDE is just too too winders like |
| 04:43.37 | pupeno | maybe I should run Sarge with some backports, are there backports of kde 3.4 to sarge ? |
| 04:43.40 | Guerin | bsims: you can probably configure it to look and feel like wmaker :) |
| 04:43.53 | Guerin | pupeno: see backports.org and/or apt-get.org |
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| 04:44.14 | bsims | Guerin: but its not the same... |
| 04:44.32 | Guerin | pupeno: but backports are likely to be just as flakey as using the packages from testing, and when you want to upgrade to 3.5, there will be hell to pay |
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| 04:45.21 | pupeno | what 3.5 ? |
| 04:45.48 | Guerin | pupeno: you realise that kde won't stay at 3.4 for ever ... 3.5 is already in alpha |
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| 04:46.09 | pupeno | Guerin: yes. |
| 04:46.19 | pupeno | I'll try to stay on testing. |
| 04:46.40 | interbird | pupeno: To my knowledge, you can "fall-back" to a previous version of a packages -- but like Guerin says: You are experimenting in such a case: Stable means Stable and not "The Bleeding Edge"; Even Etch is not that :-) |
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| 04:47.55 | Guerin | i run sid, but my apt-fu is strong |
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| 04:48.06 | bsims | Sid is named after teh Kid Who Breaks the Toys for a reason |
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| 04:48.48 | sgeigerbot | howdy-ho, neighbors. |
| 04:49.12 | encompass | hi |
| 04:49.12 | sherpamen | hello I was wondering if someone could help me.How do I switch from gnome to kde? |
| 04:49.19 | CaptFudd | howdy didly doo |
| 04:49.25 | pupeno | Is it possible to downgrade from etch to sarge ? |
| 04:49.48 | interbird | bsims: Maybe there's a reason for more; Like "Bush" leads you into a forest :-) |
| 04:49.59 | encompass | pupeno just get sarge and install leaving your home dir |
| 04:50.18 | pupeno | encompass: so, I have to re-install. |
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| 04:50.41 | interbird | pupeno: Nope |
| 04:50.48 | encompass | faster than readinbg every package |
| 04:51.22 | Guerin | sherpamen: install kde, and choose 'kde' from your desktop manager at login time |
| 04:51.33 | sherpamen | debian ppc rules |
| 04:51.37 | sherpamen | ! |
| 04:52.16 | sherpamen | at login time? |
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| 04:52.46 | sherpamen | i have kde installed already |
| 04:52.48 | RandomSeed | is ppc much better than i386 as far as everything? |
| 04:53.03 | sherpamen | it installed without problems |
| 04:53.06 | SimonRaven | yes |
| 04:53.15 | SimonRaven | but i'm biased ;) |
| 04:53.16 | sherpamen | way better then yellowdog |
| 04:53.46 | interbird | RandomSeed: It's cool but I don't think it has a future |
| 04:53.49 | encompass | and your asking how to get kde |
| 04:54.01 | sherpamen | it has a future |
| 04:54.10 | Guerin | sherpamen: how do you log into your windowmanager? |
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| 04:54.16 | SimonRaven | interbird: right. just because apple drops it, means fuck all |
| 04:54.19 | sherpamen | startx |
| 04:54.30 | sherpamen | the pegasos will still be around |
| 04:54.42 | Guerin | sherpamen: oh. startx startkde; |
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| 04:55.02 | sherpamen | how do I make it permenent? |
| 04:55.03 | Guerin | who will keep making ppc-based computers? |
| 04:55.09 | RandomSeed | i would really like to do a ppc next time I build, but you probably have to buy instead, right? |
| 04:55.23 | pupeno | The package kde cannot be installed on etch, it says: kde: Depends: kdegraphics but it is not going to be installed^Mepends: kdewebdev but it is not installable. Am I doing something wrong ? |
| 04:55.25 | sherpamen | check out pegasos |
| 04:55.27 | squareff | what is the difference between hard limits and... otherwise? then again, why can't i apply ulimit on my computer? it simply doesn't observe them. |
| 04:55.31 | Guerin | sherpamen: echo "exec startkde" > ~/.xsession |
| 04:55.40 | squareff | (please mention my name in your answer) |
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| 04:55.44 | interbird | SimonRaven: Not only because of that -- consumers don't care about their CPU -- just as long as it's "Designed for Commodore" :-) |
| 04:55.45 | Guerin | sherpamen: i know what pegasos is - yet another naff proprietary niche os |
| 04:55.49 | Guerin | like beos |
| 04:55.57 | sherpamen | thanks guerin |
| 04:56.08 | sherpamen | pegasos is a computer |
| 04:56.20 | Guerin | eh |
| 04:56.22 | Guerin | really? |
| 04:56.25 | sherpamen | yep |
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| 04:56.37 | Guerin | oh, I am stupid |
| 04:56.46 | sherpamen | they are good machines |
| 04:56.47 | Guerin | what am I thinking of, then? |
| 04:57.41 | sherpamen | i thought it was a os too |
| 04:58.39 | SimonRaven | interbird: heheh |
| 04:58.40 | Guerin | wow, they ain't cheap |
| 04:58.44 | Guerin | nor configurab;e |
| 04:58.49 | sherpamen | ya its like 800 |
| 04:59.00 | SimonRaven | Guerin: pegasos is not an os, it's a ppc mobo |
| 04:59.10 | RandomSeed | would it screw up my sarge if i reinstall windows? |
| 04:59.11 | Guerin | SimonRaven: already been corrected on that one :) |
| 04:59.13 | interbird | :-) |
| 04:59.15 | Guerin | RandomSeed: yes. |
| 04:59.25 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 04:59.26 | RandomSeed | dang! |
| 04:59.29 | Guerin | RandomSeed: windows overwrites the MBR without asking |
| 04:59.40 | pacman | I'm on a pegasos right now |
| 04:59.43 | Guerin | on the basis that nobody should use anything but windows |
| 04:59.49 | sherpamen | sweet |
| 04:59.51 | sherpamen | g4? |
| 04:59.55 | pacman | yeah, G4 |
| 05:00.00 | sherpamen | awesome |
| 05:00.15 | RandomSeed | couldn't i fix my mbr afrterwards? |
| 05:00.15 | Guerin | it looks like pegasos are going for the niche that apple's macs used to occupy - quality at any expense |
| 05:00.19 | SimonRaven | interbird: probably not, but i don't think it'll go the same way as alphas (which is/was another good arch) |
| 05:00.26 | Guerin | money, space, configurability, etc... |
| 05:00.35 | Guerin | RandomSeed: of course. |
| 05:00.44 | sherpamen | you on morphos? |
| 05:01.04 | pacman | it's not a supercomputer, but at least it's hardware that was designed to run free OSes, so you don't have to worry about it having chips that your OS can't use because they're not documented |
| 05:01.04 | Guerin | RandomSeed: you'd need to boot to a livecd or something, mount your root, chroot to it, and run grub-install |
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| 05:01.19 | RandomSeed | cool |
| 05:01.33 | sherpamen | got to go later guys |
| 05:02.02 | SimonRaven | pacman: that's the cool part, you can play with the machine's low-level bits too (OF, flashable ROM) |
| 05:02.24 | interbird | SimonRaven: Yeah, please don't remind be about superior archs; I might get sad and I am already so -- Please use your "Zilog Inside" sticker. |
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| 05:02.41 | SimonRaven | heh |
| 05:03.08 | SimonRaven | commonness a good arch does not make |
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| 05:03.38 | pupeno | The only unstable packages I want is KDE, do you think that it'll be too hard to build kde 3.4.3 debs for Sarge ? |
| 05:04.00 | oidfodfije | Should I use Etch instead of Sarge? |
| 05:04.06 | mith | yes |
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| 05:04.12 | gravity | Depends |
| 05:04.15 | pattieja_ | hello |
| 05:04.32 | gravity | oidfodfije: What do you need/want to do? |
| 05:04.43 | Guerin | pupeno: kde is a dog to build |
| 05:04.53 | Guerin | pupeno: for one thing, it takes days |
| 05:04.55 | RandomSeed | someone will probably port it for sarge here pretty soon, maybe apt.org |
| 05:05.00 | SimonRaven | oh boy... build kde... |
| 05:05.04 | pupeno | Guerin: that is ok (days). |
| 05:05.33 | gravity | Heh, so says the ignorant |
| 05:05.39 | gravity | But hey, go for it |
| 05:05.41 | oidfodfije | gravity: I'm just a normal user, I'm not using it for any mission-critical stuff or server or business or anything, and I'm dual-booting with Windows so I can use that if I need to. I just like Linux so I use it sometimes. |
| 05:05.42 | pattieja_ | anybody know what happened to kernel-source-2.6.11? I can't seem to get it from 'unstable'. |
| 05:05.42 | gravity | pupeno: You should try it and see |
| 05:05.49 | gravity | pupeno: Worst comes to worst you fail and try again |
| 05:06.07 | Guerin | pupeno: then there's the fact that you'd have to either a) manually figure out and build about 1000 packages, or b) learn to use pbuilder or some other batch-building toolset |
| 05:06.10 | gravity | oidfodfije: I'd go with sarge then, unless you really want to play around a bit more |
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| 05:06.31 | gravity | oidfodfije: If you *really* just want to play and don't care one way or the other, go for sid and enjoy learning about your system as it breaks |
| 05:06.32 | Guerin | not 1000, that's exaggeration |
| 05:06.40 | Guerin | more like 200 |
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| 05:06.56 | gravity | Meh, let him try and build KDEW |
| 05:06.59 | gravity | Who cares? |
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| 05:07.06 | Guerin | sure |
| 05:07.07 | interbird | I tell you -- It's time for "Open Core" -- I bet an Open Source CPU is feasable -- Even better, now it's time to get Linux the hardware it wants to run on -- > "Open Core" CPU's are coming... |
| 05:07.08 | gravity | If he can backport it, maybe he can share the packages |
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| 05:07.14 | Guerin | forewarned is forearmed |
| 05:07.20 | gravity | I'm sick of protecting people from their computers |
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| 05:07.55 | Guerin | gravity: i'm more sick of the aftermath |
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| 05:08.14 | gravity | Heh, well telling someone to try and build KDE is one thing. |
| 05:08.27 | gravity | Maybe he'll learn something |
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| 05:08.44 | gravity | I know I learned by breaking shit |
| 05:09.00 | oidfodfije | OK. etch is mostly working things, right? Is there an ETA on when KDE 3.4 will go to Sarge, and can I get it on Sarge even though it isn't in the official repositories? Also, interbird, they're having a tough time with getting people to cooperate with open BIOS right now, I think open core is still a bit off. |
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| 05:09.23 | gravity | oidfodfije: Nothing else will ever go in to sarge except security bugfix backports |
| 05:09.23 | oidfodfije | I already msged dpkg, :) |
| 05:09.35 | oidfodfije | that sucks. |
| 05:09.39 | gravity | No, that's how it works |
| 05:09.43 | gravity | It's stable |
| 05:09.55 | gravity | If you want a system that's still in development, go with etch |
| 05:10.18 | oidfodfije | I should go to etch then. Yeah, it's stable, but it never gets updated software when Debian releases are like two and a half years apart? Yeah I'll be going to etch soon. |
| 05:10.40 | gravity | Some people need a system that's reliable |
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| 05:10.54 | gravity | I keep a stable partition at all times. Even if I never use it, I know I've got it if something serious happens. |
| 05:11.07 | yacc | oidfodfije: Well, that's what people pay big bucks for, if it's labeled Enterprise Server ;) |
| 05:11.08 | gravity | I really should update it to sarge though |
| 05:11.20 | pupeno | oidfodfije: be carefully, I have just installed etch and I can't install kde. |
| 05:11.23 | Guerin | gravity: heh |
| 05:11.26 | deadcat | gravity: whats the latest version of xorg and what version you working on? |
| 05:11.37 | gravity | deadcat: Nothing new to report |
| 05:11.38 | oidfodfije | So the stable release is more for servers and critical stuff like that. etch is better for normal users, who, you know, like new versions of software |
| 05:11.45 | deadcat | gravity: ok |
| 05:11.48 | gravity | Geez, I just talked to you about it like yesterday |
| 05:11.56 | gravity | RC1 should go in in a day or two to experimental |
| 05:12.10 | pacman | normal users, believe it or not, really don't care what version of things they're running. If you even know what version ANYTHING is on your computer, you're not typical. |
| 05:12.13 | deadcat | gravity: i am on 6.8.2.dfsg.1-9, the 1-9 is minor changes right? |
| 05:12.20 | Skiver | hi, after "apt-get upgrade", xmms won't work anymore. how can i reinstall it ? |
| 05:12.21 | gravity | deadcat: Right. |
| 05:12.23 | deadcat | k |
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| 05:12.28 | gravity | deadcat: Just read the changelog |
| 05:12.32 | gravity | deadcat: It'll tell you everything |
| 05:12.36 | gravity | That's why it's there |
| 05:12.39 | interbird | oidfodfije: I mean Open From The Start -- not "opening-closed-shit" |
| 05:12.48 | deadcat | gravity: everytime i see xserver-xorg when i upgrade my eyes light up. but then... (= |
| 05:12.49 | oidfodfije | well yeah, I guess I'm more of a "power user", but if you use Linux and someone isn't making you, you're not a normal user either. |
| 05:12.50 | gravity | deadcat: If you *really* want to track this, just subscribe to debian-x |
| 05:12.58 | aris | how adjust message size in qmail? |
| 05:13.01 | gravity | deadcat: You can follow everything as it happens there |
| 05:13.06 | Guerin | aris: #qmail |
| 05:13.07 | deadcat | gravity: ok |
| 05:14.03 | interbird | oidfodfije: The computer BIOS is something you would not want to encounter in real life -- It would look worse than Alien... |
| 05:14.15 | aris | Guerin, do u have an idea? |
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| 05:14.36 | Guerin | aris: yeah. My idea is for people to not use qmail. |
| 05:14.54 | pupeno | kamera depends on libexif10 on etch, and libexif10 doesn't exist anymore, there's a libexif12, but it seems kamera insists on libexif10, is this a bug ? |
| 05:14.56 | oidfodfije | also, what's a good place for me to get started on open-source software development? I've developed my own programs in PHP and C++ and Visual Basic and some others, and I've been meaning to get better acquainted with CVS, &c., and want to make some contributions to big projects. I probably should start out on something small. Do you guys know any projects that would be good for people new to open-source software development? |
| 05:14.56 | _cw666_ | is there a debian mipsel channel? |
| 05:15.00 | Guerin | failing that, if they could ask qmail questions in qmail-specific places, that'd be cool too. |
| 05:15.15 | gravity | oidfodfije: Whatever interests you |
| 05:15.31 | SimonRaven | i REALLY hate the hotmail "MTAs" for their dumb stupidity in configuration: they get a 4xx or 5xx error, and they still try to send you the "e-mail" |
| 05:15.34 | Guerin | pupeno: yeah. the new kamera is probably coming in from sid soon |
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| 05:15.38 | gravity | oidfodfije: Then start doing what you want to do to the source for said project that interests you. |
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| 05:15.50 | gravity | oidfodfije: In doing so, learn the tools they use, be it CVS, subversion, or whatever |
| 05:15.50 | Skiver | how can i tell apt-get to remove only ONE programs, when it shows a bunch in the list ? |
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| 05:16.08 | oidfodfije | interbird, yeah BIOS isn't fun, but vendors won't even comply with that, I think they'd be even more adverse to open core processors. Although I guess there are less processor makers than mobo makers, so maybe it'd be easier to convnice fewer people. |
| 05:16.15 | Guerin | Skiver: apt-get remove program |
| 05:16.29 | Guerin | Skiver: if it wants to remove others, it's because there are dependency relationships |
| 05:17.06 | pattieja_ | I can't even get kernel-source-2.6.11 from snapshot.debian.net |
| 05:17.23 | SimonRaven | pattieja_: tried linux-source-* yet? |
| 05:17.34 | RandomSeed | I wish I could find a theme for kde that isn't so bright that would work good, the reverse color text doesn't work well with some app's |
| 05:17.40 | SimonRaven | though not sure if it kicked in at that version |
| 05:17.59 | pattieja_ | SimonRaven: linux-source?? |
| 05:18.03 | oidfodfije | Hey dudes, I lost my partition because I wasn't paying attention at the partition manager. I didn't delete it or anything, just changed it to the wrong size and then very quickly changed it back. It is not readable in either Windows or Linux. I tried using testdisk but can't figure it out. Any tips on how I can recover this data? I'd like to move it to another drive so that I can have a Linux partition bigger than 2 Gb. |
| 05:18.18 | gravity | wtf |
| 05:18.24 | interbird | oidfodfije: I'm not talking about "vendors"; I'm taking about "Open Hardware"; Like '91 but now '05 and 'hardware' |
| 05:18.48 | gravity | ... trolling? |
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| 05:19.02 | SimonRaven | pattieja_: got renamed at some point, due to freebsd and hurd going in |
| 05:19.23 | pattieja_ | great |
| 05:19.24 | Skiver | Guerin : thanks, any alternative mp3 player? i still get seg fault after reinstall it again. |
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| 05:19.39 | RandomSeed | kamorok |
| 05:19.41 | pattieja_ | another "thing" to keep track of. I guess it's ok. Just couldn't find it on my own |
| 05:19.53 | pattieja_ | thanks, SimonRaven |
| 05:19.59 | dondelelcaro | oidfodfije: if you set the partition table back to exactly the way it was, then nothing should be lost. |
| 05:19.59 | SimonRaven | np |
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| 05:21.27 | interbird | I'm trashing to my bed; Remember -- "Open Source" is going to imly "Open Core" -- But it's a new ball-game -- no "wintel" this time -- just "Open" |
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| 05:21.57 | dondelelcaro | oidfodfije: clearly, you haven't done that. Try using gpart to recover it. |
| 05:22.13 | pupeno | I remember a program that made a set of questions to configure the apt sources, but I can remember its name. Does anybody know which one is it ? |
| 05:22.22 | dondelelcaro | pupeno: apt-setup |
| 05:22.27 | pacman | apt-setup |
| 05:22.32 | SimonRaven | interbird: it'll certainly help getting open hardware |
| 05:22.37 | aliumalik | how can I make all the packaged use libc6-686 instead of the stock libc6? |
| 05:22.48 | oidfodfije | Can I upgrade to etch without reinstalling from a CD |
| 05:22.53 | dondelelcaro | aliumalik: the linker should be loading it if it is there. |
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| 05:22.59 | SimonRaven | of course |
| 05:23.03 | pupeno | dondelelcaro, pacman: thank you. |
| 05:23.06 | SimonRaven | oidfodfije: ^^ |
| 05:23.13 | aliumalik | dondelelcaro: do I need to reboot after apt-getting it? |
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| 05:23.39 | dondelelcaro | aliumalik: no, you shoudln't need to. |
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| 05:23.54 | dondelelcaro | (unless you're not using 2.6...) |
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| 05:24.12 | aliumalik | dondelelcaro: I am, but I cannot apt-get remove libc6 |
| 05:24.20 | SimonRaven | uh |
| 05:24.21 | dondelelcaro | aliumalik: you can't remove libc6. |
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| 05:24.44 | _cw666_ | dondelelcaro: tell them how to forceably remove it and watch :-) |
| 05:24.50 | aliumalik | dondelelcaro: shouldn't it be using the 686 version? so this package is useless right? |
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| 05:24.58 | aliumalik | _cw666_: sure :P |
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| 05:25.23 | SimonRaven | aliumalik: not that simple |
| 05:25.30 | dondelelcaro | aliumalik: in most cases, yes. However, it's the package which other packages have actually linked against. Removing it is likely to lead to horribly broken systems. |
| 05:25.30 | oidfodfije | dondelelcaro: thanks, I'll try that. is it easier than testdisk? I've tried taht a few times but it never worked. Also, how do I upgrade to etch? I think I missed that one. |
| 05:25.45 | dondelelcaro | oidfodfije: fix your partition first, then worry about upgrading to testing. |
| 05:25.57 | pacman | gpart saved me when I screwed up a partition table once |
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| 05:26.20 | oidfodfije | okay, let me go try that. thanks for all the help guys! |
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| 05:26.43 | aliumalik | dondelelcaro: so there is no definiete version of telling which glibc version are my packages using? |
| 05:27.12 | pacman | uh, you could try "ldd /bin/ls" and see what libc.so shows up, and then dpkg -S that libc.so to see what package it came from |
| 05:27.51 | interbird | Should I trade-mark "Open Core" today or let it be found ? |
| 05:28.35 | pacman | Domain Name:OPENCORES.ORG Created On:18-Sep-1999 23:59:05 UTC |
| 05:28.40 | pacman | I think you're too late. |
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| 05:29.56 | _cw666_ | dpkg -i is saying "No locks available" --- anyone know why it would do that? |
| 05:30.07 | jm__ | heh |
| 05:30.25 | aliumalik | pacman: should there isnt a 686 suffix |
| 05:30.27 | interbird | shit! |
| 05:30.33 | aliumalik | pacman: *there isnt a 686 suffix |
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| 05:31.07 | interbird | Let's buy them. |
| 05:31.22 | pacman | what do I know about 686? I have a ppc. |
| 05:31.31 | SimonRaven | !ppc |
| 05:31.32 | dpkg | somebody said ppc was short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc, or not going to be used by Apple much longer |
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| 05:32.16 | SimonRaven | _cw666_: touch /var/cache/apt/archives/lock |
| 05:32.37 | SimonRaven | might need one for /var/lib/dpkg/lock too |
| 05:33.11 | SimonRaven | that's what you get for running rm instead of apt-get (auto)clean |
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| 05:33.45 | dondelelcaro | aliumalik: use ldd, it should display (assuming things are working properly) the right library. |
| 05:34.41 | _cw666_ | SimonRaven: did that, still blows up |
| 05:35.04 | SimonRaven | _cw666_: try rm them, then touch again |
| 05:35.16 | syntaxx | im trying compiling a new kernel can i just untar it and make menuconfig without touching any of the modules? is it ok? |
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| 05:36.10 | sideone | anyone know of a opensource web hosting control panel ? |
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| 05:36.44 | RandomSeed | webalizer |
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| 05:37.30 | sideone | well im looking more for a mgmt solution for clients, not really for stats |
| 05:37.45 | fjkadfooo | Hi. I'm trying to use gpart, but it keeps saying seek failure. I've tried running it for every hard disk and they all say seek failure |
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| 05:39.09 | Phated | Running as root? |
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| 05:39.45 | SimonRaven | that would be um, optimal (su, sudo) |
| 05:39.51 | Phated | Indeed. |
| 05:39.59 | fjkadfooo | I'm running as root, yeah |
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| 05:40.35 | sep | syntaxx, if you dont know how, you realy should stick to the debian kernel images. or if you _must_ use a custom kernel ask dpkg about kernel-package, ask also about custom kernel and debian kernel image |
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| 05:41.46 | syntaxx | thanks sep i just wanna to run bootsplash in debian so i need to need a new kernel to patch it |
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| 05:42.31 | sgeigerbot | wine and IRC don't mix. |
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| 05:42.50 | sgeigerbot | SimonRaven: wha't up? |
| 05:42.53 | sgeigerbot | s |
| 05:43.03 | SimonRaven | too much |
| 05:43.11 | sgeigerbot | SimonRaven: of what? |
| 05:43.37 | SimonRaven | new glasses, having a life outside of computers (*gasp*) |
| 05:43.49 | sgeigerbot | SimonRaven: yeah, I hear you. |
| 05:43.55 | fjkadfooo | I just told testdisk to analyze and save the partition table it found and it's doing it now but I've done this before and it still doesn't work. |
| 05:44.05 | sgeigerbot | SimonRaven: "Life is but a dream." |
| 05:44.15 | SimonRaven | sometimes ;) |
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| 05:44.21 | sgeigerbot | Row, row, row... |
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| 05:44.27 | fjkadfooo | also gpart gives seek failure on everything. ^_^ |
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| 05:44.44 | _cw666_ | SimonRaven: still a no-go |
| 05:44.46 | norskfjord | hi, I stuffed my sound up, I was playing with aumix and changed 'Digital1' now there is horrible buzzing and crackling in my left speaker. |
| 05:44.58 | _cw666_ | SimonRaven: im wondering if mispel is usable right now |
| 05:45.11 | SimonRaven | _cw666_: ok, try dpkg --configure --pending and ... -a |
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| 05:45.23 | SimonRaven | mipsel maybe? :) |
| 05:45.31 | DarknessX | norskfjord: change it back? |
| 05:45.36 | _cw666_ | SimonRaven: yeah, mipsel :-) |
| 05:45.56 | Skiver | how can i see the latest system error message when loading a program ? |
| 05:46.04 | SimonRaven | you misspelled mipsel (damn, that can get funny) |
| 05:46.09 | norskfjord | nvm |
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| 05:46.10 | norskfjord | got it |
| 05:46.19 | _cw666_ | SimonRaven: still not working... the root was created with debootstrap which is FITH for cross-arch so i wonder if the fs is useless |
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| 05:46.33 | SimonRaven | Skiver: that's what log are for. tail -f /var/log/syslog |
| 05:46.40 | norskfjord | How do I get internet connection sharing from dialup working in Ubuntu? |
| 05:46.49 | norskfjord | no one in #ubuntu is replying to me |
| 05:46.52 | sgeigerbot | norskfjord: hint: #ubuntu |
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| 05:47.04 | sgeigerbot | norskfjord: ...in that case, don't use Ubuntu |
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| 05:47.13 | norskfjord | It's all I got |
| 05:47.19 | SimonRaven | oh. |
| 05:47.21 | norskfjord | I don't want to use debian on my server too |
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| 05:47.38 | _cw666_ | norskfjord: what channel is this again? |
| 05:47.42 | norskfjord | I got debian on here, I want to put netbsd on my server when I get a copy |
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| 05:47.59 | bucky | norskfjord, http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialIptablesNetworkGateway.html |
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| 05:48.04 | norskfjord | can't wait to get my DEC Alpha to play with OpenVMS |
| 05:48.07 | Skiver | SimonRaven : i am tracking error when starting xmms, it doesn't show there, any other idea ? |
| 05:48.08 | Thanatermesis | exist a "volume-manager" same to "gnome-volume-manager" for auto-launch media ? (the audio-cd's, DVD...etc), without gnome/kde* libs ? |
| 05:48.10 | fjkadfooo | Hi. I'm trying to use gpart, but it keeps saying seek failure. I've tried running it for every hard disk and they all say seek failure |
| 05:48.12 | dondelelcaro | aptitude install ipmasq; |
| 05:48.17 | interbird | Greets -- keep strait :-) |
| 05:48.18 | sgeigerbot | norskfjord: It's a sad fact of life that if you ask for help in #debian about another distro, you will get no help. If you are savvy enough to realize that your problem is not ubuntu specific, though, you can usually get away with asking here (assuming you don't mention ubuntu). |
| 05:48.21 | dondelelcaro | norskfjord: install ipmasq; and away you go. |
| 05:48.28 | sgeigerbot | norskfjord: however, you are now a marked man. ;-) |
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| 05:48.48 | SimonRaven | Skiver: wouldn't. you'd see that in the console vt you ran startx in |
| 05:48.58 | fjkadfooo | Ubuntu's a nice distro, right? It's debian based |
| 05:49.03 | sep | norskfjord, : witch fjord ? |
| 05:49.15 | dondelelcaro | fjkadfooo: I guess, but it's not Debian, so it's OT here. |
| 05:49.18 | sgeigerbot | fjkadfooo: Nice? Depends who you ask. ;-) |
| 05:49.24 | norskfjord | norways |
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| 05:49.28 | norskfjord | I am viking |
| 05:49.38 | sgeigerbot | norskfjord: I am woman. |
| 05:49.43 | jm__ | yeah Norway has just one fjird ;) |
| 05:49.47 | jm__ | fjord even |
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| 05:49.51 | SimonRaven | riiight |
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| 05:49.59 | bucky | hear me roar |
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| 05:50.01 | sep | fjkadfooo, i actauly tried ubuntu that a coworker have installed. it was more different then i imagined it would be. |
| 05:50.08 | norskfjord | sgeigerbot, do you want to have viking baby with me? you must be Valkyrie |
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| 05:50.22 | sep | norskfjord, ocourse norways but witch fjord in norway? |
| 05:50.24 | SimonRaven | @debhelper++ |
| 05:50.29 | sgeigerbot | norskfjord: I'm actually a man, but, yes, I'll have your baby. |
| 05:50.33 | SimonRaven | @dondelelcaro++ |
| 05:50.43 | sgeigerbot | !+srt norskfjord |
| 05:50.44 | fjkadfooo | It still does apt-get. I've been thinking about trying it out, although I'm not a huge fan of GNOME. |
| 05:50.57 | norskfjord | haha |
| 05:51.03 | RandomSeed | dpkg, get a room |
| 05:51.03 | dpkg | Fuck you. |
| 05:51.12 | sgeigerbot | I find that gnome puts a pointed hat on my head |
| 05:51.29 | bushito | !freebsd |
| 05:51.29 | dpkg | i heard freebsd is NOT better than debian, and it is not worse. It is just different. See http://www.freebsd.org/. Admittedly one might be more interested in using FreeBSD as a server OS rather than as a desktop workstation. |
| 05:51.35 | sgeigerbot | ...which casues my head to be misshapped |
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| 05:52.09 | streuner | play in #debian-bots with the bots, thanks. |
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| 05:53.03 | Coke | ofcourse Debian is better than FreeBSD :) |
| 05:53.05 | Eclipser | does anyone have any experience with Creative Muvo TX SE (1GB mp3 player) on linux, does it work?-p |
| 05:53.07 | Coke | who put that nonsense in dpkg? |
| 05:53.27 | streuner | Coke: /msg dpkg factinfo <factoid> |
| 05:54.08 | bushito | ?? |
| 05:54.12 | bushito | why are you mumbeling?? |
| 05:54.20 | bushito | =P they say freebsd is good |
| 05:54.29 | bushito | !windows |
| 05:54.30 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 05:54.48 | dondelelcaro | bushito: use /msg if you must... |
| 05:54.57 | dondelelcaro | (see /topic) |
| 05:54.58 | bushito | lol sorry =) |
| 05:56.27 | thc | what replaces libsndfile* in testing, i am only finding it in the stable branch |
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| 05:56.49 | dondelelcaro | !info libsndfile1 |
| 05:56.53 | dpkg | libsndfile1: (Library for reading/writing audio files), section libs, is optional. Version: 1.0.12-3 (sid), Packaged size: 178 kB, Installed size: 436 kB |
| 05:57.50 | bushito | where can i see the package that testing deb got? |
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| 05:58.07 | pupeno | Hello. |
| 05:58.09 | dondelelcaro | bushito: packages.debian.org |
| 05:58.24 | pupeno | So... I re-installed Sarge, I'll stay on Sarge for now. |
| 05:58.32 | pabs3 | how long does woody security support theoretically last for? |
| 05:58.42 | pabs3 | (and practically) |
| 05:58.43 | streuner | pabs3: one year |
| 05:58.54 | streuner | pabs3: after sarge was released... |
| 05:59.02 | pabs3 | :) ok |
| 05:59.07 | pupeno | apt-get install kde should get me ready and going with a kde desktop or de I need something else ? |
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| 06:00.29 | bushito | dang >_> etch will still have kde |
| 06:00.31 | bushito | 3.3 |
| 06:00.37 | bushito | -_- |
| 06:00.59 | dondelelcaro | bushito: no, that's just what it has right this second |
| 06:01.05 | dondelelcaro | bushito: testing is constantly changing |
| 06:01.18 | bushito | oh =) |
| 06:01.26 | bushito | when is planned to release etch?? |
| 06:01.35 | Eclipser | when it's ready |
| 06:01.42 | Eclipser | sarge took three years or so |
| 06:01.57 | bushito | (O_O) HOly m*th*r f*ck*r |
| 06:02.05 | SimonRaven | ~dec. 2006. read debian-devel-announce? |
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| 06:02.40 | bushito | when etch comes out =) theyll be KDE 4.9 =p and debian wil lstill on kde 3.5 |
| 06:02.41 | bushito | =P |
| 06:02.44 | Guerin | bushito: you need x-window-system as welll |
| 06:02.57 | Eclipser | SimonRaven, yeah and sarge was supposed be released ~aug 2004 (or was it 2003) |
| 06:03.01 | bushito | Guerin *sigh* |
| 06:03.03 | none_- | will "tor" be upgraded in debian stable? |
| 06:03.05 | dondelelcaro | bushito: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=kdebase <-- that's why kde isn't in testing yet. |
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| 06:03.26 | dondelelcaro | none_-: unless it has security bugs or otherwise meets the qualifications for a stable upgrade, no. |
| 06:03.51 | none_- | hmm.. ok. |
| 06:04.14 | none_- | thanks |
| 06:04.17 | SimonRaven | Eclipser: they're changing the approach, so that DDs et al. will know to get geared up for it. read the post from steve langasek |
| 06:04.34 | pabs3 | none_-: volatile.debian.net might have newer versions if the protocol changes or something similar |
| 06:05.03 | Eclipser | SimonRaven, ah |
| 06:05.05 | bushito | then one question why another distro got this packages and debian dont? |
| 06:05.35 | SimonRaven | because they're different |
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| 06:05.40 | dondelelcaro | bushito: we have them already, they're in unstable. They haven't migrated to testing yet though, for the reasons I showed to you. |
| 06:05.45 | woockash | hello :) |
| 06:05.55 | streuner | bushito: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 06:05.59 | bushito | hehehehehe this will take long |
| 06:06.01 | none_- | pabs3, is volatile new? |
| 06:06.17 | none_- | how long has that been a part of debian? |
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| 06:06.52 | dondelelcaro | none_-: it's not really part of Debian; it's just a separate project. |
| 06:07.08 | none_- | ah |
| 06:07.09 | pabs3 | its a few months old iirc |
| 06:07.30 | none_- | well, debian should include it :) |
| 06:07.39 | woockash | yesterdey i asked 'bout trouble with hanging my machine by openswan, anyone have any ideas? |
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| 06:07.53 | Coke | bushito: if the package isn't in Debian it's because it's not free enough or it's not tested enough. |
| 06:07.59 | dondelelcaro | !info tor |
| 06:08.05 | dpkg | tor: (anonymizing overlay network for TCP), section comm, is optional. Version: 0.1.0.15-1.0.1 (sid), Packaged size: 533 kB, Installed size: 904 kB |
| 06:08.06 | dondelelcaro | none_-: it's in unstable already. |
| 06:08.17 | thc | this app is still complaining about libsndfile1 after i installed it, do i need to set an evironment variable for that library or something? using './install.pl' to install, not compiling. |
| 06:08.27 | none_- | yeah, but i don't run unstable. |
| 06:08.35 | dondelelcaro | thc: give us the complete error output as well as the name of the application in question. |
| 06:08.39 | dondelelcaro | none_-: then get a backport of the package |
| 06:08.49 | dondelelcaro | thc: use the paster bot or #flood to do so |
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| 06:09.01 | streuner | none_-: use a 'simple sid backport' |
| 06:09.09 | Coke | thc: no, you do not need to setup extra environment variables, all libraries are installed and used from /usr/lib or /usr/local/lib by default. |
| 06:09.19 | none_- | hmm, that's the url to backports |
| 06:09.21 | none_- | er |
| 06:09.23 | none_- | what |
| 06:09.23 | streuner | none_-: /msg dpkg simple sid backport or /msg dpkg backports |
| 06:09.37 | none_- | ok.. gracias. |
| 06:09.51 | pabs3 | none_-: backports.org doesn't yet support sarge |
| 06:10.13 | streuner | heh |
| 06:10.14 | none_- | i'm gonna use both |
| 06:10.41 | streuner | hm, nobse is one of the founder of backports.org... |
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| 06:11.19 | thc | doh! |
| 06:11.20 | none_- | who? |
| 06:11.27 | thc | i needed libsndfile1-dev |
| 06:11.39 | none_- | pass the bong |
| 06:11.49 | FliesLikeALap | http://dyn.u13.net:6080/phpsysinfo/ |
| 06:11.51 | FliesLikeALap | feck |
| 06:11.52 | FliesLikeALap | sry |
| 06:11.55 | FliesLikeALap | didn't mean to paste that |
| 06:12.01 | FliesLikeALap | in my main server (runs everything possible pretty much) i have a spare 40gb raid mirror... what should i do with it? |
| 06:12.04 | FliesLikeALap | thats what i meant to paste |
| 06:12.15 | FliesLikeALap | are there any parts of the debian OS which i could mirror on it? |
| 06:12.23 | FliesLikeALap | or better yet, should mirror |
| 06:12.33 | none_- | configuration files |
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| 06:12.39 | none_- | your home directory |
| 06:12.46 | none_- | kernel sources |
| 06:12.49 | FliesLikeALap | i've got /home on my 80gb mirror |
| 06:12.53 | dondelelcaro | FliesLikeALap: you can mirror whatever you want, but unless you've got a huge pipe there's generally no point. |
| 06:13.13 | FliesLikeALap | the debian install primarily resides on a 17gb 10k rpm scsi drive |
| 06:13.33 | none_- | you'll probably be wasting energy then |
| 06:13.39 | FliesLikeALap | k |
| 06:13.49 | FliesLikeALap | i'll just keep the 40gb raid free until something good comes up |
| 06:13.53 | none_- | you can always reinstall |
| 06:13.55 | FliesLikeALap | yeah |
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| 06:14.12 | FliesLikeALap | maybe if i use up the 80gb i'll just use LVM to add the 40gb to it |
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| 06:15.02 | none_- | it's probably best to wait |
| 06:15.24 | FliesLikeALap | that 17gb seems reliable, i don't think i'm gonna have to worry about it crashing anytime soon |
| 06:15.33 | FliesLikeALap | i've been using it for years without any issues |
| 06:15.36 | FliesLikeALap | its not a new drive |
| 06:16.08 | none_- | yeah, they can work alright for decades |
| 06:16.11 | FliesLikeALap | mhm |
| 06:16.19 | FliesLikeALap | and its in a case that has tons of airflow |
| 06:16.20 | FliesLikeALap | so it runs cold |
| 06:16.23 | FliesLikeALap | so itll last even longer |
| 06:16.36 | _cw666_ | SimonRaven: fcntl64 is failing ... for some reason locks aren't working (nfs but there is lockd) |
| 06:17.04 | dondelelcaro | FliesLikeALap: please stop overusing enter in here... |
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| 06:17.30 | FliesLikeALap | will do dondelelcaro, i'm used to competing with a fast-moving conversation in here, so it kinda became habit. |
| 06:17.31 | dvsdude | hey all |
| 06:18.56 | dvsdude | know its hardware ? but wouldnt mind feed back maxtor atlas iv 300gb 10k vs hitachi scsi 10k 80p hdd |
| 06:19.26 | FliesLikeALap | dvsdude i love all of my maxtor atlas drives, i have a couple of them (smaller than 300gb, but same thing) |
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| 06:19.45 | FliesLikeALap | and hitachi has never let me down, they're my best-performing IDE drives |
| 06:20.17 | none_- | dvsdude, do you need 300gb? |
| 06:20.46 | dvsdude | none_-: yes um for school network storage |
| 06:20.54 | dvsdude | why?? |
| 06:21.07 | encompass | all them excel docs |
| 06:21.20 | dvsdude | lol |
| 06:21.38 | encompass | !excel |
| 06:21.38 | dpkg | excel is, like, try gnumeric |
| 06:21.44 | encompass | ha |
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| 06:21.59 | SimonRaven | _cw666_: eh. that sure doesn't help |
| 06:22.02 | Eclipser | is there a tool to convert oggs to mp3s (CLI) |
| 06:22.12 | none_- | why would you do that? |
| 06:22.12 | encompass | yes |
| 06:22.17 | dvsdude | encompass: mainly big storage to cater for multimedia projects |
| 06:22.24 | encompass | ohhhh |
| 06:22.26 | _cw666_ | SimonRaven: well, it should be working but it's not, nfi why at this point in time though |
| 06:22.35 | Eclipser | none_-, if I'll buy that mp3 player I'll need to |
| 06:22.36 | encompass | for an mp3 play probalby |
| 06:22.51 | encompass | get an ogg based player like mine |
| 06:22.53 | none_- | oh |
| 06:22.54 | sep | is it just me, or is ipsec+shorewall in sarge very not suited. both open/freeswan and kame aproch require kernel recompilations ? |
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| 06:23.06 | Eclipser | encompass, too expensive |
| 06:23.08 | SimonRaven | _cw666_: is this a thin client? |
| 06:23.11 | encompass | ha! |
| 06:23.12 | none_- | ogg is a better codec |
| 06:23.20 | encompass | I agree with none_- |
| 06:23.31 | Eclipser | I don't really hear a difference between a CD and 96kbps mp3 |
| 06:23.33 | Eclipser | so it doesn't matter |
| 06:23.36 | encompass | mine was 230 and a 20gb player |
| 06:23.39 | encompass | I love it |
| 06:23.42 | none_- | are you serious? |
| 06:23.47 | encompass | you have bad ears |
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| 06:23.52 | Eclipser | not really :) |
| 06:23.58 | dvsdude | encompass: u like maxtor or hitachi drives?? |
| 06:24.02 | encompass | I hear the diff man |
| 06:24.14 | FliesLikeALap | if i have a server somewhere running on ubuntu (don't ask) can i remotely install debian somehow? |
| 06:24.18 | encompass | car drives, on sunday with the kids |
| 06:24.22 | Eclipser | well you obviously have good speakers/headset |
| 06:24.28 | Eclipser | I don't and I don't need better :) |
| 06:24.35 | encompass | ha |
| 06:24.37 | encompass | ok |
| 06:24.40 | none_- | man, that kills the music |
| 06:24.43 | Eclipser | nah |
| 06:24.46 | _cw666_ | SimonRaven: no, it's an internal processor board for a product, it's got no local storage... im trying to debug something here |
| 06:24.54 | none_- | lol |
| 06:25.06 | encompass | I like maxtor of the two, but would go with wd most times |
| 06:25.07 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 06:25.12 | SimonRaven | almost |
| 06:25.12 | sep | FliesLikeALap, /msg dpkg remote install |
| 06:25.19 | widrone | FliesLikeALap: Yes, netinstall with debootstrap and friends. dpkg may know something bout it. |
| 06:25.24 | Eclipser | I get 290.7e a month salary and I have to pay my rent too... |
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| 06:25.40 | none_- | euros? |
| 06:25.43 | Eclipser | yep |
| 06:25.47 | encompass | steal |
| 06:25.54 | encompass | haha |
| 06:25.56 | FliesLikeALap | thanks sep, widrone |
| 06:25.57 | none_- | that's like, $700 a month |
| 06:26.06 | encompass | no its not |
| 06:26.06 | streuner | no |
| 06:26.07 | Eclipser | uh not |
| 06:26.10 | pabs3 | FliesLikeALap: debtakeover |
| 06:26.12 | dimir | Morning! |
| 06:26.15 | SimonRaven | i hope your rent is lower than that... heh |
| 06:26.16 | encompass | I live in finland and know that one |
| 06:26.16 | none_- | what is it then? |
| 06:26.36 | encompass | like 1us to 1.25 wu |
| 06:26.37 | encompass | eu |
| 06:26.46 | Eclipser | 1 EUR == 1.1937 USD, 1 USD == 0.8377 EUR |
| 06:26.50 | none_- | so, $400 |
| 06:26.55 | encompass | yeah |
| 06:26.55 | encompass | that |
| 06:27.04 | encompass | Eclipser where are you from? |
| 06:27.08 | Eclipser | guess |
| 06:27.12 | encompass | finland |
| 06:27.18 | Eclipser | unfortunately |
| 06:27.20 | dvsdude | Eclipser: how many hours a week |
| 06:27.26 | Eclipser | 40 |
| 06:27.26 | encompass | I am too! |
| 06:27.31 | encompass | helsinki? |
| 06:27.34 | Eclipser | nokia |
| 06:27.44 | streuner | dvsdude: in europe we used to work ~40 hours... |
| 06:27.48 | encompass | great, so like espoo? |
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| 06:28.41 | dvsdude | dam i do 25 hrs per week get 375USD so im not that bad off i guess |
| 06:28.57 | encompass | Eclipser I live in Hyvinkaa, I was just in helsinki yesterday on business |
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| 06:29.07 | none_- | we are right in america |
| 06:29.07 | streuner | dvsdude: in europe we think, 1 work should be enough.... |
| 06:29.10 | none_- | er |
| 06:29.11 | none_- | rich |
| 06:29.30 | encompass | too many taxes if you get two jobs nowaday |
| 06:29.53 | encompass | whois Eclipser |
| 06:29.55 | SimonRaven | taxes pay for things like public health care |
| 06:30.01 | encompass | yup |
| 06:30.12 | encompass | I don't like it though |
| 06:30.14 | none_- | my taxes pay for war |
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| 06:30.26 | FliesLikeALap | whats the command to list mounted volumes and their mount points? |
| 06:30.29 | encompass | your taxes pay for freedom |
| 06:30.30 | pacman | on the moon, our weekends are so advanced that they encompass the entire week. |
| 06:30.35 | dvsdude | df -h |
| 06:30.39 | FliesLikeALap | thx |
| 06:30.40 | none_- | no they don't |
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| 06:31.10 | encompass | Eclipser where did you go man! |
| 06:31.15 | none_- | taxes are anti-freedom ;0 |
| 06:31.22 | encompass | sometimes |
| 06:31.25 | Eclipser | encompass, I'm at work I can't talk all the time >.<; |
| 06:31.34 | encompass | 'but an even tax rate is fare for everyone |
| 06:31.45 | dvsdude | taxes are an unfortunate part of life all we can hope is to pay as little as possible |
| 06:31.45 | none_- | not really. |
| 06:31.46 | brian_ | I am trying to make a bash script that takes in a sequence of numbers like 1 2 3 4 5 and prings it back out backwards. What is the best way to do this? |
| 06:31.50 | SimonRaven | and yeh, they do pay for things like a military.. |
| 06:31.51 | none_- | someone benefits |
| 06:31.54 | encompass | stop taxing more to the rich and less to the poor and people will wnat to work cause they will make more money |
| 06:32.29 | encompass | brian_ are we going to do your homewrk? |
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| 06:32.51 | none_- | brader, what does -- do in bash scripting? |
| 06:33.00 | brian_ | no, im asking for an approach |
| 06:33.09 | aeronadix | hi, how do you take a screen shot, I would prefer in Blackbox, but any other is fine. |
| 06:33.35 | SimonRaven | anyway... |
| 06:33.38 | streuner | aeronadix: /msg dpkg ss |
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| 06:33.46 | Eclipser | encompass, I'm going to Helsinki AudioVisual thingie tomorrow |
| 06:33.50 | pacman | perl -pale '$_="@{[reverse @F]}"' |
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| 06:33.59 | encompass | dang, wish I could be there |
| 06:34.04 | encompass | where do you live? |
| 06:34.05 | Eclipser | got a free ticket/trip from work |
| 06:34.09 | Eclipser | nokia, still :) |
| 06:34.11 | none_- | brian_, if bash has arrays, use them |
| 06:34.20 | tvnguyen | what class would require homework done in bash ? |
| 06:34.36 | none_- | man rev |
| 06:34.38 | encompass | cool, do you know jarkko lampianen |
| 06:34.39 | pacman | non-portability class, at the clown college |
| 06:34.54 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 06:35.09 | SimonRaven | portability? man dash ;p |
| 06:35.11 | pacman | I don't think rev can do it though, I looked there first |
| 06:35.30 | pacman | dash is luxurious. man sh on a SCO box and see how you like _that_. |
| 06:35.53 | tvnguyen | dash -> die again shell ? |
| 06:36.07 | aeronadix | thx streuner |
| 06:36.10 | dimir | :-P |
| 06:36.17 | aeronadix | how do you convert and web page to an image file? |
| 06:36.19 | none_- | brian_, do you want sequencing or blind reversal? |
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| 06:37.55 | Eclipser | humm |
| 06:37.57 | ke6isf | Hmm... somebody is bound to develop 'die again shell' sooner or later. |
| 06:38.06 | Eclipser | I can't seem to find a tool to convert oggs to mp3... |
| 06:38.18 | encompass | Eclipser well it is a pleasure to meet you... I am going to helia this january |
| 06:38.18 | Eclipser | only the other way... |
| 06:38.25 | pacman | use .wav as an intermediate format. |
| 06:38.36 | aeronadix | I tried to save as ps then had lots of trouble with ps2eps |
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| 06:38.47 | aeronadix | the screenshot method works great though |
| 06:38.48 | nkuttler | !reencode |
| 06:38.48 | dpkg | it has been said that reencode is Don't reencode mp3s as oggs or oggs as mp3s. |
| 06:38.54 | pacman | oh and don't expect to find any mp3-creating software as part of Debian. |
| 06:39.08 | Eclipser | nkuttler, I need to, so that I can use them on my mp3 player :) |
| 06:39.30 | encompass | google nkuttler |
| 06:39.41 | nkuttler | Eclipser: still a bad idea. ogg->wav->mp3. /msg dpkg lame |
| 06:39.50 | encompass | very lossy |
| 06:39.56 | Eclipser | I wouldn't care really |
| 06:40.18 | none_- | pop music fan? |
| 06:40.28 | encompass | well, I had better get to work... see you guys later... moimoi |
| 06:40.35 | none_- | audio books? |
| 06:40.41 | Eclipser | well if you can call vangelis, riverdance and such pop music |
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| 06:41.00 | none_- | lol |
| 06:41.08 | none_- | i suppose they are in a way |
| 06:41.10 | jetblack | anybody know what the difference is in all the video output devices for mplayer and the like: xshm, xv, x11,gl2?? |
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| 06:41.25 | none_- | jetblack, it is explained thoroughly in the manual file |
| 06:41.35 | jetblack | o |
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| 06:43.11 | Eclipser | hmm |
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| 06:43.52 | jm_ | none_-: thanks on his behalf I suppose |
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| 06:47.20 | none_- | the mplayer manual file can be frightening |
| 06:48.25 | dvsdude | jetblack: http://www.videohelp.com some interesting info in forum |
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| 06:56.38 | majkel | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:56.45 | majkel | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:02.56 | orjan | I have installed moinmoin but the css part isn't working ( only html shows). What to check? |
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| 07:04.34 | sep | majkel, nameresolution is udp port 53 ping is icmp 8 iirc |
| 07:04.54 | kurumin | oiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 07:05.00 | kurumin | tudo bem... alguem afim de tc.... |
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| 07:05.21 | sep | is there any way you can see what speed ddr ram your box have from within sarge ? in proc somewhere perhaps ? |
| 07:05.25 | sep | !tell kurumin about br |
| 07:05.56 | kurumin | oiiiiiii |
| 07:06.00 | kurumin | tudo bem... |
| 07:07.27 | kurumin | oiiiiiiiiiii |
| 07:07.38 | dimir | you have to yell? |
| 07:08.13 | kurumin | I dont speak english |
| 07:08.20 | kurumin | dont speak portuguese |
| 07:08.35 | kurumin | you dont speak portugues.... |
| 07:09.03 | dimir | English is obligatory here. |
| 07:09.06 | dimir | Sorry. |
| 07:09.19 | dimir | try #linux.br |
| 07:09.43 | kurumin | why obrgigatory |
| 07:09.47 | saik0 | !br |
| 07:09.47 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 07:10.54 | kurumin | como faço para ir ao debian br |
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| 07:12.26 | dimir | saik0: This does not seem to work. :-) |
| 07:12.28 | jaaro | In cron, I can have it run scripts as any user. However when script is creating directories, their group is gid=65534, nogroup. Can cron handle user:group syntax of the username? |
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| 07:13.00 | saik0 | kurumin: /join #debian-br |
| 07:13.16 | dimir | jaaro: how about 'chgrp'? |
| 07:13.43 | saik0 | dimir, pretty sure he asked ho to got debian-br ;) |
| 07:13.55 | saik0 | oh my...I meant how to get* |
| 07:14.09 | gonzaloaf | Helo Friends |
| 07:14.12 | dimir | jaaro: but actually, it should create it of a group that user belongs to. According to /etc/group |
| 07:14.18 | dimir | hi gonzaloaf |
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| 07:14.46 | dimir | saik0: Oh, OK. You speak the language he was speaking. :-) |
| 07:15.43 | jaaro | dimir: yes. It does :-) |
| 07:15.44 | jaaro | I didn't notice that :) |
| 07:15.44 | gonzaloaf | I need some help, has somebody installed the kernel 2.6.11 ? I need to download it but it isn't in the debian repositories |
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| 07:15.44 | steal | hi |
| 07:15.50 | dimir | gonzaloaf: you run stable, right? |
| 07:15.50 | saik0 | dimir, not quite but portugues is very similar to spanish |
| 07:15.54 | steal | i need to play a smil file |
| 07:16.02 | steal | what player work??? |
| 07:16.19 | gonzaloaf | dirmi: yes |
| 07:16.22 | steal | RealPlay or HelixPlay don't work |
| 07:16.23 | dimir | saik0: OK :-) |
| 07:16.41 | saik0 | nighty night #debian |
| 07:17.12 | dimir | gonzaloaf: then I guess it's not ready. But you can download 2.6.11 sources and build the Debian package out of it using 'make-kpkg' command. |
| 07:17.14 | gonzaloaf | dimir: I've tried changing "stable" for "unstable" in my sources.list, but I had problems |
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| 07:17.28 | dimir | steal: what file? what format? |
| 07:17.59 | sep | gonzaloaf, keep in mind the name changed from kernel to linux on the images |
| 07:18.00 | gonzaloaf | dimir: so it's not avaible the kernel-source-2.6.11 for debian? |
| 07:18.15 | dimir | gonzaloaf: not in 'stable'. |
| 07:18.23 | steal | dimir, smil file that link 2 rm file |
| 07:18.31 | dimir | $ cat /etc/issue |
| 07:18.31 | dimir | Debian GNU/Linux testing/unstable \n \l |
| 07:18.32 | gonzaloaf | sep: yes, I was looking the kernel.org page and it was like that |
| 07:18.36 | dimir | $ uname -r |
| 07:18.37 | dimir | 2.6.11-1-686 |
| 07:18.44 | dimir | from the repository |
| 07:18.50 | dimir | unstable has it. |
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| 07:20.06 | gonzaloaf | dimir: are you sure? so I can change my sources.list to the unstable for a second, download the kernel-source-2.6.11 and afterwards go back to sarge? |
| 07:20.26 | dimir | gonzaloaf: no, he was telling you that Debian kernel package name changed to 'linux-image' from 'kernel-image' |
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| 07:20.37 | dimir | gonzaloaf: no |
| 07:20.38 | steal | dimir can you help me? |
| 07:20.59 | majkel | so if i do iptables -A INPUT -p udp --sport 53 -j ACCCEPT |
| 07:21.00 | gonzaloaf | dimir: so the only way is to download it from kernel.org |
| 07:21.07 | dimir | gonzaloaf: first decide if you want to keep stable. |
| 07:21.17 | majkel | and iptables -A OUTPUT -p udp --sport 53 -j ACCCEPT |
| 07:21.22 | dimir | gonzaloaf: yes, if you want to keep stable. |
| 07:21.26 | majkel | should i get apt-get working ? |
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| 07:21.40 | gonzaloaf | dimir: yes i want stable, but I need a newer kernel because I need hardware support |
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| 07:23.01 | dimir | gonzaloaf: once again. Download kernel sources, install package 'kernel-package'. Go to sources of the kernel you downloaded and run 'make-kpkg'. |
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| 07:23.23 | dimir | steal: so, what exactly is it you want to do? |
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| 07:23.49 | borco | hi |
| 07:23.49 | dimir | maja: these rules allow you to use name service. |
| 07:23.59 | dimir | majkel too. |
| 07:24.02 | dimir | hi |
| 07:24.05 | borco | any idea why famd eats all my CPU? can it be prevented? |
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| 07:24.19 | gonzaloaf | dimir: thanks. I'll try to do that, the problem is that I'm not that experienced compiling and installing kernels |
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| 07:24.29 | pabs3 | there are also some backports: http://www.backports.org/pending/linux-2.6/ |
| 07:24.31 | steal | dimir, i've got a file (2003100200.smil) this is an xn |
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| 07:25.08 | steal | xml file that link 2 rm file to see multiple video |
| 07:25.12 | pabs3 | gonzaloaf: 2.6.12 backports are here: http://www.backports.org/pending/linux-2.6/ |
| 07:25.13 | dimir | gonzaloaf: this is why make-kpkg is there. |
| 07:25.29 | steal | multiple realplayer video |
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| 07:25.34 | dimir | gonzaloaf: oh, yes, check out the backports too. |
| 07:25.41 | steal | but with realplayer i can't open it |
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| 07:25.58 | gonzaloaf | thank floks |
| 07:26.01 | gonzaloaf | folks |
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| 07:26.05 | steal | if you want i can send that file is too short |
| 07:26.08 | dimir | steal: oh, never heard of things like that. |
| 07:26.11 | dimir | sorry |
| 07:26.21 | gonzaloaf | somebody told me that kernel 2.6.11 is more stable that 2.6.12 |
| 07:26.46 | steal | only my university use that format |
| 07:26.49 | steal | :-( |
| 07:26.52 | steal | i think so |
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| 07:27.45 | Eulex | I want to allow two users to access and write to a file. I've created a group that contains those two users, set the owner to one of the users and the group owner to the group. Then I set the permissions of the file to 644. The user that doesn't own the file but whose group owns the file can still not write to it. What have I done wrong? |
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| 07:28.45 | Eulex | s/644/664/ |
| 07:28.54 | borco | bye |
| 07:28.54 | pacman | uh, you didn't give the group write permission. |
| 07:28.58 | pacman | oh, 664? then you did. |
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| 07:29.53 | pacman | users must log out and log in again to gain their new group identities... |
| 07:30.04 | Eulex | ah, that must be it |
| 07:30.10 | dimir | steal: did you try kino? |
| 07:30.22 | gonzaloaf | pabs3: what is it about backports??? |
| 07:30.27 | steal | no i try totem and xine |
| 07:30.37 | steal | and realplayer and helixplayer |
| 07:30.41 | steal | now i try kino |
| 07:30.49 | steal | but is kde |
| 07:30.51 | pacman | mplayer has a "smil" parser apparently. |
| 07:30.54 | steal | :-( |
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| 07:31.23 | LootBeer | is winrar a linux aechiver? |
| 07:31.30 | steal | mplayer ?? better |
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| 07:31.34 | dimir | steal: no, it requires some gnome packages instead. Seems it's gtk. |
| 07:31.46 | gonzaloaf | hey can somebody tell me what are the backports? |
| 07:31.47 | pacman | that should be a qotd! <LootBeer> is winrar a linux aechiver? |
| 07:31.47 | steal | ok thanks |
| 07:31.54 | Eulex | pacman, thanks, now it works! |
| 07:31.57 | pacman | can ya take a guess? WINrar? |
| 07:31.58 | fireba11 | LootBeer: use your brain prior to asking |
| 07:32.16 | valdyn_ | !backport |
| 07:32.16 | dpkg | from memory, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
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| 07:32.42 | pacman | There are "rar" and "unrar" programs which you can use under Linux. But they probably won't be called "winrar" :) |
| 07:32.56 | dmoCholet | Hi all |
| 07:33.06 | LootBeer | pacman> whats their name? |
| 07:33.21 | pacman | last I looked, unrar was in debian's non-free repository. And rar might be there too. |
| 07:33.35 | dimir | Eulex: did you reread the groups file by that other user? |
| 07:33.35 | pacman | the command names are actually rar and unrar |
| 07:33.48 | Eulex | there's both a free and a non-free unrar |
| 07:33.48 | gonzaloaf | dpkg: so I can use that packages in older debians? |
| 07:33.54 | dmoCholet | One question about my debian sarge, I install samba, but the service does not start on boot, I must type /etc/init.d/samba restart, do you have an idea ? |
| 07:33.59 | valdyn_ | dpkg, what are you |
| 07:33.59 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 07:34.18 | steal | i'm trying |
| 07:34.20 | dimir | Eulex: before doing it by the user that gets permission denied, try command 'groups' which will shoo the groups that the user belongs. Check if that new group is there. |
| 07:34.23 | RandomSeed | steel, you could use kaffeine with mplayer, uses mplayer's codecs |
| 07:34.49 | pacman | oh yeah, RAR 2 was free but RAR 3 is non-free, or something like that |
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| 07:35.10 | gonzaloaf | blootbot? |
| 07:35.12 | pacman | looking at the mplayer source, it seems that smil is just a playlist, not a codec |
| 07:35.13 | dimir | gonzaloaf: yes, simply, backports are newer versions of packages ported to older system. |
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| 07:35.26 | Eulex | dimir, ah. I didn't re-read the groups file. I logged out and in again and that solved it. is it possible to re-read the file without re-logging? |
| 07:35.40 | gonzaloaf | dimir: thanks |
| 07:35.52 | dimir | Eulex: only if you open new shell. |
| 07:35.58 | valdyn_ | Eulex: 'su - <username>' |
| 07:36.21 | RandomSeed | smil's are for subtitles |
| 07:36.24 | valdyn_ | dimir: only if you open a new *login* shell |
| 07:36.39 | dimir | valdyn_: of course. |
| 07:36.41 | Eulex | dimir & valdyn, ok. thanks! |
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| 07:36.52 | dimir | Eulex: np |
| 07:37.17 | gonzaloaf | dimir: ok if for example I want to install a new kernel, what packages do I need? just the source? |
| 07:37.37 | dimir | gonzaloaf: just the binary. |
| 07:37.41 | fireba11 | hm .. someone knows how to add another qotd ? |
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| 07:38.16 | orjan | In moinmoin 1.3.4, in farmconfig, how to set wikinames? |
| 07:38.33 | fireba11 | !qotd0 |
| 07:38.34 | dpkg | [qotd147] <alcros> sorry, I was trying to read the guidelines |
| 07:38.36 | nav5 | is there a way to change the font size in gvim? I have a problem seeing the default size as it is too small |
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| 07:39.16 | dmoCholet | nobody want help me with samba daemon :-( |
| 07:39.26 | jm_ | nav5: of course there is |
| 07:39.50 | xota | dmoCholet, use rcconf to configure your start services |
| 07:39.50 | ToMMY2k | dmoCholet: whats your problem |
| 07:39.51 | fireba11 | dmoCholet: samba sucks ... also config is pretty non-intuitive .. what's your problem exactly ? |
| 07:40.00 | Gnea | dmoCholet: what did you change? |
| 07:40.08 | dmoCholet | I install samba, but the service does not start on boot, I must type /etc/init.d/samba restart, do you have an idea ? |
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| 07:40.22 | ToMMY2k | did you update-rc.d ? |
| 07:40.24 | Gnea | !tell dmoCholet about ask |
| 07:40.26 | valdyn_ | dmoCholet: dpkg-reconfigure samba, chose to start it as daemon instead via inetd |
| 07:40.46 | nav5 | jm: could you tell me how or refer me to a howto? |
| 07:40.58 | dmoCholet | I already use the rcconf, and there is no smb or samba |
| 07:41.14 | RandomSeed | dmoCholet: it should start, you might need to uncomment it in inetd.conf |
| 07:41.20 | Gnea | rcconf? |
| 07:41.26 | pacman | /etc/init.d/samba exists but rcconf doesn't show it? |
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| 07:41.38 | valdyn_ | !pebkac |
| 07:41.38 | dpkg | hmm... pebkac is Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/ |
| 07:41.41 | jm_ | nav5: set guifont |
| 07:42.18 | dmoCholet | yes |
| 07:42.22 | Gnea | !rcconf |
| 07:42.22 | dpkg | rcconf is probably a frontend to the update-rc.d |
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| 07:42.36 | xota | dmoCholet, i don't know why rcconf don't show it, but you can start it manually agreed a ln -s on your /etc/rcX.d where X is your runlevel |
| 07:42.40 | pabs3 | gonzaloaf: get one of these linux-image-2.6.12-1-<arch>_2.6.12-9bpo2_i386.deb (686 for intel, k7 for newer amd) |
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| 07:42.47 | bartden | anyone here who knows how i can adjust my touchpad buttons to forward or backward in my internet browser |
| 07:42.54 | Gnea | xota: that's what update-rc.d does |
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| 07:43.09 | Gnea | update-rc.d samba defaults |
| 07:43.11 | valdyn_ | gonzaloaf: kernel packages do not have abi issues, they do not need to be backported |
| 07:43.31 | xota | Gnea, yes, but it's more difficult |
| 07:43.44 | Gnea | bartden: i think there's an extension for that |
| 07:43.58 | Gnea | xota: not really, you just type that and it does it |
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| 07:44.16 | dmoCholet | freebox:/home/denis# update-rc.d samba defaults |
| 07:44.18 | dmoCholet | update-rc.d: warning: /etc/rc2.d/S91samba is not a link to ../init.d/samba |
| 07:44.18 | dmoCholet | update-rc.d: warning: /etc/rc3.d/S91samba is not a link to ../init.d/samba |
| 07:44.18 | dmoCholet | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:44.35 | Gnea | and the problem fixes itself |
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| 07:45.13 | steal | mplayer tell me that i need avisynth.dll |
| 07:45.14 | steal | :-( |
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| 07:45.32 | valdyn_ | question is, which messed those symlink up |
| 07:45.33 | Gnea | !google avisynth.dll |
| 07:45.39 | xota | Gnea, i never know how to use it ;) |
| 07:45.39 | dpkg | Google says avisynth.dll is at http://777enc.tripod.com/tvcap_part2.html |
| 07:45.39 | valdyn_ | question is, who messed those symlink up |
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| 07:46.11 | steal | i'm find it on sourceforge |
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| 07:46.27 | steal | but is an exe file |
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| 07:47.39 | LootBeer | can one use winrar or winzip to archive a .avi file or use a linux archiver to do that, i need to shrink my vidoe files to smaller size |
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| 07:48.11 | pacman | video files are usually pretty well compressed already. You can't just zip them up and make them smaller; you have to re-encode them at a lower quality. |
| 07:48.12 | jm_ | there's rar for Linux, but winzip can handle bz2 files |
| 07:48.18 | Brian__ | I'm about to ask you all a very simple question about clarkconnect, but please dont verbally thrash me for asking... I've tried everything else I can think of...this is my last resort, i hate to bother you guys but you all are the only other helpful folks i know of..Anyway, i'm having some trouble getting traffic to speak through my box (from the lan to the internet |
| 07:48.22 | jm_ | and I doubt you'll get any useful compression ratio with it |
| 07:48.39 | RandomSeed | steal: you can check to see if samba is running by doing a netstat -ant and check if port 139 is running |
| 07:48.54 | Brian__ | it seems as tho I have a clean line going through from my lan to the internet... |
| 07:48.54 | xerophyte | does anybody use Mailscanner, if so how its performanace compare to Amavisd-new? |
| 07:49.11 | Brian__ | but the traffic gets stopped in the box somewhere and isn't relayed |
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| 07:49.36 | Brian__ | i've pinged both sides of the gateway (dual nic) and get a response from inside the lan |
| 07:50.05 | Brian__ | but going all the way to the internet is not possible... I've also ssh'd into the box and pinged both the lan and, say, google |
| 07:50.20 | pacman | does anybody know what this guy's talking about? clarkconnect? |
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| 07:50.27 | Gnea | Brian__: probably firewall or proc |
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| 07:50.46 | jm_ | brian_: read iptables docs + tutorial |
| 07:50.51 | pacman | taking up a lot of screen space for a question about something that apt-cache search can't find :) |
| 07:50.53 | jm_ | Brian__ ^^^^^^ |
| 07:51.03 | jm_ | it's some firewall distro |
| 07:51.24 | Brian__ | ok |
| 07:51.45 | Brian__ | do you guys know of a good alternative to clarkconnect? |
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| 07:51.58 | Brian__ | i'm not sure how to go about building a gateway from scratch using deb |
| 07:52.21 | RandomSeed | Brian__: do you have your gateway setup to your router? |
| 07:53.00 | Brian__ | RandomSeed: no... The router was the problem in the first place... I was trying to use the gateway in place of the router |
| 07:53.38 | RandomSeed | set the gateway of your isp in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 07:54.03 | dmoCholet | Brian -> ipcop, sme, have a look at the ixus web site |
| 07:54.04 | Brian__ | well, see.. that's not the issue |
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| 07:54.26 | Brian__ | RandomSeed: the router itself is connected just fine to the internet |
| 07:54.39 | Brian__ | RandomSeed: its a problem with the box itself not routing the traffic through |
| 07:54.56 | Brian__ | i've used lynx via ssh and it browses the internet just fine |
| 07:55.13 | sep | Brian__, you want to make a router/firewall for your lan ? i'd suggest installing the shorewall package. and read the doc for that. |
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| 07:55.52 | m0nt0 | hi |
| 07:55.53 | Brian__ | sep: sweet...i'll definitely check it out... i'm more comfortable with regular ol debian anyway...thx |
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| 07:56.21 | sep | Brian__, also http://shorewall.net/two-interface.htm have a very understandable doc for setting up that kind of thing |
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| 07:56.37 | Brian__ | then again clarkconnect is no longer debian anyway... |
| 07:56.43 | Brian__ | sep, thx for the info |
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| 07:58.32 | sep | Brian__, also you must either youself enable ip_forwarding or alter ip_forward from keep to yse in shorewall conf in order to enable forwarding |
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| 07:59.56 | ircdevil | sup |
| 08:00.07 | Brian__ | sep, or what will happen if i dont do that? |
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| 08:00.22 | dmoCholet | Soory, I was disconnected from the channel because of my paste. so I do not have a copy of the messages |
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| 08:00.33 | sep | Brian__, you will have a pc with 2 interfaces instead of a router |
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| 08:00.45 | dmoCholet | this is about samba, how can I set it to start at boot on debian sarge |
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| 08:01.03 | Brian__ | sep, is this something I do within the shorewall software or in debian itself? |
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| 08:01.31 | nkuttler | dmoCholet: it will by default. man update-rc.d, rcconf |
| 08:01.33 | sep | dmoCholet, i think samba it starts on boot as default on sarge, verify by checking the rc2.d dir |
| 08:01.59 | sep | Brian__, choose one. 2 aproches to the same thing |
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| 08:02.04 | dmoCholet | I see in rc2.d and rc3.d S91samba file |
| 08:02.10 | sep | Brian__, i tend to do it in shorewall.conf |
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| 08:02.27 | Brian__ | sep, got it... I appreciate your guidance |
| 08:02.32 | dmoCholet | the file is a 0 octet file |
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| 08:02.41 | sett | anyone knows how to make usb 2.0 support under vmware? |
| 08:02.41 | sett | can't manage my tv tuner to work |
| 08:02.45 | Brian__ | sep, did you ever know that you're my hero |
| 08:02.57 | Brian__ | sep, you're everything I wish i could be |
| 08:03.05 | Brian__ | sep, I could fly higher than an eagle |
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| 08:03.12 | Brian__ | sep, you are the wind beneath my wings |
| 08:03.14 | Brian__ | lol |
| 08:03.32 | sep | Brian__, get over it:P im fighting ipsec in sarge and having a pain |
| 08:03.43 | Brian__ | lol |
| 08:03.46 | sep | i think ill have to fallback to leaf... |
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| 08:03.49 | baggins | how do i find which package a file belongs to in debian? |
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| 08:04.05 | Brian__ | ipsec has to do with vpn..right? |
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| 08:04.07 | nkuttler | baggins: dpkg -S file |
| 08:04.25 | baggins | thanks |
| 08:04.39 | dmoCholet | is it normal that the file S91samba is a 0 octet file in rc2.d ? |
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| 08:04.53 | sep | dmoCholet, since it's a symlink yes very common |
| 08:05.15 | Brian__ | -s links rule |
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| 08:05.33 | dmoCholet | so why it does not work, I must restart the samba daemon after the boot |
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| 08:06.13 | ToMMY2k | after boot do you see nmbd and smbd in your ps -A output? |
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| 08:06.16 | fireba11 | don't know how you managed to do that .. i installed samba on 3 PCs the last 3 weeks and it worked everywhere |
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| 08:06.29 | fireba11 | dmoCholet: check bootlog for errors |
| 08:06.32 | sep | dmoCholet, try the symlink /etc/rc2.d/S91samba stop [and start] does it work ? |
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| 08:07.23 | dmoCholet | no it does not work |
| 08:07.33 | ToMMY2k | dmoCholet: after boot do you see nmbd and smbd in your ps -A output? |
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| 08:07.54 | dmoCholet | yes, I see it (if I rememdber) |
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| 08:08.19 | ToMMY2k | ok so does netstat -anp show ports 138 and 139 udp being used? |
| 08:08.23 | sep | dmoCholet, but /etc/init.d/samba do work ? check that the symlink goes to the right place |
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| 08:08.50 | dmoCholet | yes, /etc/init.d/samba works |
| 08:09.03 | dmoCholet | hou to check the symlink ? |
| 08:09.14 | dmoCholet | cd /etc/rc2.d |
| 08:09.19 | ToMMY2k | dmoCholet: What user are you running samba as? |
| 08:09.20 | sep | dmoCholet ls -l |
| 08:09.25 | dmoCholet | oops wronk window |
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| 08:10.04 | dmoCholet | it says S91samba -> /samba |
| 08:10.23 | sep | dmoCholet, looks very wrong update-rc.d is a script for helping you create the needed symlinks, or just do it manually. |
| 08:10.30 | fireba11 | dmoCholet: now that is clearly wring |
| 08:10.38 | sep | dmoCholet, compare with the others for how it should be |
| 08:10.41 | fireba11 | wrong even ^^ |
| 08:10.47 | dmoCholet | so I have to recreate the symlink |
| 08:10.49 | pacman | if you just run ls -l /etc/rc2.d you should be able to see the pattern. Ever see "one of these things is not like the others" on sesame street? |
| 08:11.05 | fireba11 | pacman: g |
| 08:11.22 | valdyn_ | dmoCholet: it should be S91samba -> ../init.d/samba |
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| 08:11.42 | dmoCholet | yes, it is how to recreate the link ? |
| 08:11.54 | majkel | what is a port and protocol for name resolution ? |
| 08:12.00 | fireba11 | dmoCholet: nwo i'm only wondering how that happened ... |
| 08:12.07 | bbrazil_ | majkel: 53 udp/tcp |
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| 08:12.09 | valdyn_ | majkel: dns server port |
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| 08:12.18 | majkel | thanks |
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| 08:12.47 | majkel | i got temporary name resolution failure whne trying to connect through ssh |
| 08:12.48 | dmoCholet | I install dbian that's all and copy smb.conf to the samba directory, that's all |
| 08:12.54 | majkel | to the machine |
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| 08:13.18 | majkel | i`m trying to connect from natting server to the machine in inside network |
| 08:13.20 | Gnea | dmoCholet: update-rc.d -f samba remove && update-rc.d samba defaults |
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| 08:13.28 | majkel | and it gives me that error |
| 08:13.32 | dmoCholet | I try |
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| 08:14.59 | leminhteo | hi all |
| 08:15.03 | dmoCholet | it says "warning S91samba is not a link to ../init.d/samba |
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| 08:15.24 | pacman | just rm it already! |
| 08:15.25 | pacman | wow. |
| 08:15.41 | Gnea | dmoCholet: if it's linked to /samba then it's linked to something non-existant |
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| 08:16.02 | dmoCholet | I have to recreate the link, how can I do that ? |
| 08:16.08 | Gnea | dmoCholet: did you rm it? |
| 08:16.15 | dmoCholet | no |
| 08:16.20 | Gnea | then you need to rm it. |
| 08:16.22 | Gnea | do that now. |
| 08:16.28 | fireba11 | ^^! |
| 08:16.34 | dmoCholet | so I type rm S91samba ? |
| 08:16.35 | pacman | here's a free tip: also try "ls -lL /etc/rc*.d > /dev/null" to find out if there are any other broken ones. |
| 08:16.39 | Gnea | yes. |
| 08:17.15 | dmoCholet | done |
| 08:17.26 | Gnea | update-rc.d -f samba remove |
| 08:17.30 | Gnea | just run that once |
| 08:17.36 | Gnea | ignore any warnings |
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| 08:17.59 | dmoCholet | done |
| 08:18.04 | Gnea | were there any warnings? |
| 08:18.18 | Gnea | or did it do it silently? |
| 08:18.24 | dmoCholet | yes |
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| 08:18.37 | Gnea | show me one error, please |
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| 08:19.00 | dmoCholet | how can I show it to you without be disconnected ? |
| 08:19.07 | dmoCholet | in private ? |
| 08:19.13 | fireba11 | just don't paste mroe than two lines |
| 08:19.15 | Gnea | just paste one line |
| 08:19.26 | Gnea | the first line of the error |
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| 08:19.37 | dmoCholet | update-rc.d: warning: /etc/rc3.d/S91samba is not a link to ../init.d/samba |
| 08:19.48 | Gnea | i see |
| 08:19.52 | dmoCholet | and the other |
| 08:20.03 | Gnea | and it does this for /etc/rc[4-6].d/S91samba? |
| 08:20.06 | dmoCholet | this one : /etc/rc3.d/S91samba is not a link to ../init.d/samba; not removing |
| 08:20.37 | dmoCholet | no, only the rc3 |
| 08:20.45 | pacman | find /etc/rc*.d -xtype l -print0 | xargs -0 rm |
| 08:20.50 | Gnea | ok, rm /etc/rc3.d/S91samba |
| 08:21.17 | fireba11 | Gnea: i'm only wondering how he ended up with that .. ^^ |
| 08:21.32 | dmoCholet | done |
| 08:21.32 | Gnea | fireba11: that's why we're doing this one step at a time :) |
| 08:21.48 | Gnea | dmoCholet: ok, now update-rc.d -f samba remove |
| 08:22.02 | sep | dmoCholet, you said you copied over smb.conf did you perhaps extract a backup or similar also ? |
| 08:22.22 | dmoCholet | no, only copy the smb.conf |
| 08:22.35 | dmoCholet | Gnea -> ok, done without error/warning |
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| 08:22.44 | Gnea | dmoCholet: did you make sure your shares dirs match up? |
| 08:22.49 | txetemar | spanish channel |
| 08:22.51 | txetemar | ?? |
| 08:22.52 | Gnea | !es |
| 08:22.53 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 08:22.54 | dmoCholet | yes |
| 08:23.00 | txetemar | thanks |
| 08:23.10 | Gnea | txetemar: enjoy |
| 08:23.21 | Gnea | dmoCholet: update-rc.d samba defaults |
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| 08:24.13 | encompass | msg dpkg guidelines |
| 08:24.17 | dmoCholet | it says : /etc/rc[0-6].d/K20samba -> ../init.d/samba |
| 08:24.35 | Gnea | good. |
| 08:24.38 | Gnea | now reboot :) |
| 08:24.45 | E-boWORK | Do anybody know of any utils that automatically discover and map ur nertwork structure? |
| 08:24.45 | txetemar | hello i have a problem |
| 08:24.51 | txetemar | can i hel me?? |
| 08:24.52 | txetemar | checking for C++ compiler default output... configure: error: C++ compiler cannot create executables |
| 08:25.07 | Gnea | txetemar: apt-get install g++ |
| 08:25.10 | valdyn_ | !b-e txetemar |
| 08:25.13 | dpkg | txetemar: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
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| 08:25.44 | dmoCholet | I can't rebbot now, because this is my server computer, I will be able to rebbot it this evening, but I think it will work now |
| 08:26.04 | txetemar | thanks very much |
| 08:26.14 | Gnea | dmoCholet: right on, yeah it's all setup to boot now - ls -l /etc/rc2.d/*samba |
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| 08:26.46 | Gnea | they should all be S20/K20 |
| 08:27.03 | sep | E-boWORK, not entierly automaticaly no.. but nav do a pretty good job |
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| 08:27.38 | dmoCholet | Gnea -> Thank you very much :-) |
| 08:27.46 | Gnea | no problem :) |
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| 08:28.04 | E-boWORK | sep: nav? a bit too many hits on google |
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| 08:29.09 | sep | E-boWORK, http://metanav.ntnu.no/ for docs http://www.nav.ntnu.no/ for an example |
| 08:29.20 | ac3 | Hi |
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| 08:29.40 | E-boWORK | sep: thank ile take a look |
| 08:29.44 | sep | E-boWORK, hope your not afraid of doc's it do take some reading to get right |
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| 08:30.29 | E-boWORK | nope, more scared it requires a bit more advanced switches than i got availeble |
| 08:31.23 | steal | another error :-( now i've installe all dll file but mplayer mplayer: could not connect to socket |
| 08:31.30 | vorsprung | mornin |
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| 08:31.50 | sep | E-boWORK, in order to collect data you ned snmp ofcouse |
| 08:32.05 | ac3 | I upgraded from woody to sarge and now almost all processes are between [] |
| 08:32.12 | ac3 | what could that be? |
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| 08:32.45 | valdyn_ | ac3: you upgrade your kernel from 2.4.x to 2.6.x and kernel threads now show in top |
| 08:32.45 | Gnea | ps |
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| 08:32.53 | pacman | new version of ps being obnoxiously non-backward-compatible as usual? |
| 08:32.54 | valdyn_ | ac3: you upgraded your kernel from 2.4.x to 2.6.x and kernel threads now show in top |
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| 08:33.11 | valdyn_ | ac3: and its hardly 'almost all', its just the kernel threads |
| 08:33.14 | ac3 | what does that mean exactly? |
| 08:33.27 | ac3 | apache, stunnel, mysql,... |
| 08:33.42 | valdyn_ | ac3: apache is in [] ? |
| 08:33.45 | ac3 | yes |
| 08:34.02 | Gnea | hmmmm |
| 08:34.06 | valdyn_ | ac3: that's something else then, i suppose you didnt really upgrade properly |
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| 08:34.16 | ac3 | hehe |
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| 08:34.52 | valdyn_ | !woody->sarge |
| 08:34.57 | valdyn_ | dpkg, woody->sarge |
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| 08:35.11 | valdyn_ | dpkg, woody->sarge |
| 08:35.11 | dpkg | First, "apt-get install aptitude". Then edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "woody" to "sarge". Then, "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade". consider installing hotplug and discover1 if you're not confident with linux hardware management. see <sarge release notes>, or serious breakage for around 30% of users according to http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/06/msg00006.html |
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| 08:35.54 | ac3 | problem is, i cannot downgrade and then try again, it is on a production server |
| 08:36.01 | spdf | You'd best check to see if there's too much jello in the kitchen. |
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| 08:36.57 | ac3 | heh? |
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| 08:37.02 | Gnea | hhahahhaa |
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| 08:37.17 | spdf | I thought it meant something about the process being swapped out |
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| 08:37.40 | Gnea | well what does 'free' report? |
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| 08:37.59 | ac3 | can i paste it here? |
| 08:38.06 | Gnea | !paste |
| 08:38.06 | dpkg | methinks paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 08:38.17 | gonzaloaf | dimir: are you there? |
| 08:38.54 | ac3 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 08:39.03 | Gnea | what what |
| 08:39.15 | ac3 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/925 |
| 08:39.34 | Gnea | oh it's barely touching swap |
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| 08:39.37 | encompass | I tried adding a passwordless login to an ssh account by creating keys but it asked for my password anyway... what could be wrong? |
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| 08:39.50 | Gnea | encompass: set a password |
| 08:40.04 | ac3 | Gnea: that´s the strange thing about it |
| 08:40.14 | pacman | you have to set a special option in sshd_config to allow passwordless accounts to log in |
| 08:40.20 | encompass | what do you mean... for the ssh login? |
| 08:40.25 | Gnea | ac3: well what process did you use, exactly, to migrate? |
| 08:40.30 | encompass | ohhh |
| 08:40.30 | gonzaloaf | hello friends, I've downaloaded the linux-2.6.11.tar.bz2, now I want to install it in my debian sarge, what should I do?, rename as kernel-source-2.6.11 ?? and do as debian way or waht? |
| 08:40.33 | Gnea | encompass: for the account in question |
| 08:40.46 | encompass | ha |
| 08:41.02 | encompass | ok |
| 08:41.16 | streuner | gonzaloaf: why do you think you need a 2.6.11 kernel? |
| 08:41.25 | Gnea | gonzaloaf: you can get the kernel-source-2.6.11 from etch or sid and use it in sarge - just get the .deb and dpkg -i to install it |
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| 08:41.36 | fireba11 | gonzaloaf: also, you don't you just apt-get install it ? |
| 08:41.39 | Gnea | streuner: better support |
| 08:41.59 | gonzaloaf | I cant find it, using apt-gert |
| 08:41.59 | encompass | so what file is it that handles the ssh login information? |
| 08:42.03 | Gnea | and sometimes that's pushing it :) |
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| 08:42.15 | streuner | Gnea: are you the speaker of 'gonzaloaf'? |
| 08:42.25 | Gnea | encompass: it's just a normal account, ssh is just a pam layer |
| 08:42.35 | pacman | man sshd_config, search for EmptyPassword |
| 08:42.37 | gonzaloaf | excuse me? |
| 08:42.39 | valdyn_ | sarge doesnt have issues with newest kernels.. doesnt mean he should use something not shipped with sarge |
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| 08:43.06 | gonzaloaf | streuner: because I need support of modern hardware |
| 08:43.07 | Gnea | streuner: he just wants to use a different kernel, there's not a problem with that |
| 08:43.19 | Gnea | streuner: see? |
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| 08:43.27 | valdyn_ | gonzaloaf: which modern hardware? |
| 08:43.35 | jm_ | gonzaloaf: so why not 2.6.13 then? |
| 08:43.48 | gonzaloaf | valdyn_: I have some problems with mi laptop toshiba |
| 08:43.59 | valdyn_ | gonzaloaf: try being less vague please |
| 08:44.00 | streuner | Gnea: he saw your response before, so its NOT what he might wanna say... |
| 08:44.01 | steal | when i start totem libhal.c 2282 : Error sending msg: Service "org.freedesktop.Hal" does not exist |
| 08:44.04 | Gnea | gonzaloaf: oooh what model? |
| 08:44.07 | gonzaloaf | jm_: cause somebody told me that 2.6.11 is more stable |
| 08:44.13 | jm_ | gonzaloaf: right |
| 08:44.19 | gonzaloaf | Gnea: A75-S229 |
| 08:44.27 | steal | PING hal.freedesktop.org (131.252.208.82) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 08:44.41 | steal | it work can i recompile that line? |
| 08:45.16 | gonzaloaf | My problem is that I have debian sarge, and I cant faind the 2.6.11 kernel source |
| 08:45.21 | fireba11 | steal: wtf? |
| 08:45.26 | dmoCholet | I am with kernel 2.6.8-2, is it better to upgrade to the latest kernel ? |
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| 08:45.52 | fireba11 | dmoCholet: usually its best to stick with your kernel withaout a good reason |
| 08:46.01 | steal | fireba11, wtf??? i can't find libhal.c on my pc i can't understand this error |
| 08:46.07 | streuner | dmoCholet: the best think is, that everything works stable, if you have no problems its ok then |
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| 08:46.35 | Gnea | gonzaloaf: well according to linux-on-laptops.org, you're heading in the right direction |
| 08:46.37 | goron | If a user on a system didn't configure it's ssh, is it possible for him to login from a different machine via ssh? Or is the username/password combination of the login simply used? |
| 08:47.12 | dmoCholet | ok, thanks, and have a good day |
| 08:47.20 | gonzaloaf | Gnea: Yeah, but before you told me that I can get the .deb, where is it? |
| 08:47.42 | Gnea | gonzaloaf: in any sid repository, you can get it with a web browser |
| 08:47.52 | Gnea | or via ftp |
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| 08:48.05 | fireba11 | steal: you're not making much sense to me |
| 08:48.37 | gonzaloaf | Gnea: Excuse me about the question, but where can I find the sid repositories? |
| 08:48.49 | Gnea | gonzaloaf: same place the sarge is at |
| 08:49.00 | Gnea | gonzaloaf: just cd down past sarge and you'll see it |
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| 08:50.25 | Gnea | gonzaloaf: or http://packages.debian.org |
| 08:50.48 | gonzaloaf | Gnea: So I just need the .deb? and what about if I want to configure the kernel with gconfig? |
| 08:51.19 | gonzaloaf | Gnea: there is not the 2.6.11 kernel |
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| 08:53.07 | Gnea | wtf... |
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| 08:54.11 | Gnea | gonzaloaf: looks like they took it out of the repo |
| 08:54.23 | Gnea | and pushed onto 2.6.12 because of udev |
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| 08:54.59 | gonzaloaf | Gnea: yes! |
| 08:55.24 | gonzaloaf | Gnea: It reduces my posibilities to find the kernel-source-2.6.11 |
| 08:55.26 | gonzaloaf | :( |
| 08:55.33 | Gnea | no it doesn't :) |
| 08:55.41 | valdyn_ | gonzaloaf: you could just use 2.6.12 |
| 08:55.55 | Gnea | valdyn_: no, 2.6.12 is incompatible with sarge |
| 08:56.08 | Gnea | the line was drawn |
| 08:56.12 | Gnea | stupidly. |
| 08:56.22 | valdyn_ | Genghis_: that is nonsense, the incompatibility goes only vice versa |
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| 08:56.39 | valdyn_ | Gnea: etch / sid need 2.6.12+, there is no similiar or reverse restriction to sarge |
| 08:57.00 | Gnea | valdyn_: oh, they matched udev to it? |
| 08:57.21 | Gnea | valdyn_: and you've installed a 2.6.12 .deb on a sarge system, configured and compiled it? |
| 08:57.26 | valdyn_ | Gnea: sarge never was affected by this |
| 08:57.50 | valdyn_ | Gnea: yea, a while ago, by now its 2.6.14-rc3 with some addition(s) |
| 08:57.55 | gonzaloaf | ok guys, so where can I find it? |
| 08:58.00 | valdyn_ | Gnea: on plain vanilla sarge |
| 08:58.16 | valdyn_ | gonzaloaf: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 08:58.45 | gonzaloaf | valdyn_: is not there |
| 08:58.45 | Gnea | gonzaloaf: you can give 2.6.12 a shot... |
| 08:58.55 | Gnea | gonzaloaf: btw it's linux-source-2.6.12 |
| 08:59.01 | gonzaloaf | so its impossible to get the 2.6.11 ? |
| 08:59.06 | valdyn_ | gonzaloaf: linux-image is there, and what Gnea sais |
| 08:59.14 | valdyn_ | gonzaloaf: 2.6.11 is not in debian at all |
| 08:59.22 | gonzaloaf | :o |
| 08:59.28 | Gnea | valdyn_: yeah but he wants to compile |
| 08:59.52 | Gnea | http://gnea.net/kernel-source-2.6.11.tar.bz2 |
| 09:00.00 | valdyn_ | gonzaloaf: using kernel.org kernels is not very different from using debian kernels in what you have to do to compile it |
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| 09:00.04 | Gnea | valdyn_: true, but that doesn't mean it doesn't still exist ;) |
| 09:00.15 | gonzaloaf | a friend of mine told me to contact the maintiners of the kernel-source-2.6.11 package |
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| 09:00.32 | valdyn_ | gonzaloaf: no such thing, since that kernel was removed from debian |
| 09:01.03 | gonzaloaf | ok I have the linux-2.6.11.tar.bz2 |
| 09:01.29 | gonzaloaf | now i have to rename it to kernel-source? |
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| 09:01.38 | Gnea | gonzaloaf: no, it doesn't matter |
| 09:01.53 | Gnea | debian doesn't care :) |
| 09:02.11 | gonzaloaf | Gnea: so I can compile it as a debian kernel-source |
| 09:02.32 | Gnea | gonzaloaf: well, it's just a vanilla source tree, it won't have any debian patches applied |
| 09:02.51 | Gnea | so you'll lose out security-wise |
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| 09:03.14 | gonzaloaf | Gnea: what does it means? |
| 09:03.25 | Gnea | gonzaloaf: it means what i said it means |
| 09:04.56 | gonzaloaf | Gnea: where did you get this package? do you have Sid? |
| 09:04.59 | Gnea | gonzaloaf: i'm not kidding when i said that http://gnea.net/kernel-source-2.6.11.tar.bz2 is the real thing. |
| 09:05.07 | kitsune-of-doom | I am debootstrapping a debian system off of knoppix. For some reason, it does not create an eth device for my network card. It's Lite-On Communications Inc LNE100TX [Linksys EtherFast 10/100] (rev 25) (pasted from lspci) |
| 09:05.07 | Gnea | yeah it's been laying around for awhile now |
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| 09:05.30 | Gnea | gonzaloaf: i've used that tarball in sarge before, it works |
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| 09:05.36 | roboo | hi |
| 09:05.38 | valdyn_ | kitsune-of-doom: where should that eth device be 'created' ? |
| 09:05.40 | roboo | http://img373.imageshack.us/my.php?image=00013134hs.jpg can you look please ? |
| 09:05.53 | gonzaloaf | Gnea: why do you say that I think that you are kidding? |
| 09:06.36 | nkuttler | roboo: do you have a working kernel? |
| 09:06.47 | kitsune-of-doom | valdyn_: It's not connecting to the network card...I try ifconfig, and it tries to connect over loopback |
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| 09:06.56 | fireba11 | roboo: now how you managed to do that ? |
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| 09:07.12 | nkuttler | roboo: did you rm /lib/modules? is it on a different partition? |
| 09:07.18 | valdyn_ | kitsune-of-doom: and you are still running knoppix? |
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| 09:07.29 | nohero | ciao |
| 09:07.58 | kitsune-of-doom | valdyn_: yes, and it works under knoppix, but when I boot into it, it doesn't anymore |
| 09:08.06 | nohero | someone uses zyxel g220 wifi usb adapter or zd1211 driver? |
| 09:08.34 | valdyn_ | kitsune-of-doom: which driver is it using on knoppix? |
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| 09:09.13 | Gnea | gonzaloaf: hey you know what? i just found something better: http://www.acm.rpi.edu/~dilinger/kernel-source-2.6.11/ |
| 09:09.31 | kitsune-of-doom | valdyn_: how would I tell? |
| 09:09.47 | salah | Hi. How can I install a valid Java? I can't get any Java applications work, even if I have downloaded and installed Java from java.com |
| 09:09.48 | valdyn_ | kitsune-of-doom: 'dmesg | grep eth' and / or lsmog |
| 09:09.50 | valdyn_ | kitsune-of-doom: 'dmesg | grep eth' and / or lsmos |
| 09:09.52 | valdyn_ | kitsune-of-doom: 'dmesg | grep eth' and / or lsmod |
| 09:10.10 | jm_ | salah: read the topic |
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| 09:10.34 | valdyn_ | kitsune-of-doom: why dont you use debian's installer anyhow? |
| 09:10.34 | Gnea | !tell salah about java |
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| 09:10.59 | roboo | nkuttler, fireba11 yes i have a working kernel.. i had a celeron cpu and i changed my hardwares(motherboard, cpu, ram) and i cant boot debian |
| 09:11.02 | kitsune-of-doom | valdyn_: I'd need to burn a CD |
| 09:11.25 | roboo | nkuttler, fireba11 my new cpu is amd64 3000+ |
| 09:11.32 | kitsune-of-doom | valdyn_: I had a bunch of knoppix discs handy, but no debian CDs |
| 09:12.01 | fireba11 | kitsune-of-doom: jsut download the netinstallCD .. saves you a lot of time |
| 09:12.02 | gonzaloaf | Gnea: what is that? |
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| 09:12.15 | Gnea | gonzaloaf: that's 2.6.11 for debian :) |
| 09:12.22 | gonzaloaf | wow |
| 09:12.30 | salah | !tell salah about install java |
| 09:12.33 | eXa_bOy | whats a good pop3 client that will work with postfix? |
| 09:12.37 | Gnea | gonzaloaf: the whole thing |
| 09:12.41 | gonzaloaf | Gnea: thanks, so I stop the download from your server? |
| 09:12.46 | Gnea | gonzaloaf: yeah |
| 09:12.53 | gonzaloaf | wow, thanks man |
| 09:12.54 | salah | !tell salah about java licensing |
| 09:12.55 | Gnea | np |
| 09:12.58 | fireba11 | eXa_bOy: every pop3 client should work with postfix ^^ |
| 09:13.05 | salah | !tell salah about install java |
| 09:13.20 | valdyn_ | does postfix even provide a pop3 server? |
| 09:13.26 | eXa_bOy | so whats a goood one? |
| 09:13.34 | salah | Gnea: Where do I download the contrib source? |
| 09:13.36 | Gnea | postfix is a pop3 server? |
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| 09:13.50 | fireba11 | nope. .. but since he asked that way ^^! |
| 09:13.54 | w3rdn4 | what is good about Cascading Style Sheets development? |
| 09:13.56 | Gnea | !contrib |
| 09:13.56 | dpkg | methinks contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free packages To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need contrib on the end. |
| 09:14.13 | valdyn_ | eXa_bOy: no pop3 client can ever work 'with postfix' |
| 09:14.47 | salah | Gnea: Still, I don't understand it |
| 09:14.50 | gonzaloaf | Gnea: now so I just need to copy the .tar.bz2 to /usr/scr and compile it right? |
| 09:15.26 | Gnea | w3rdn4: http://www.get-e.org/ is a good example |
| 09:15.42 | Gnea | salah: are you familiar with /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 09:15.50 | valdyn_ | gonzaloaf: compiling kernels isnt really meant to be done by complete beginners, why dont you let an expert do it for you or use a precompiled kernel image? |
| 09:15.51 | Gnea | gonzaloaf: basically |
| 09:16.32 | w3rdn4 | Gnea, that website is made out of CSS? |
| 09:16.36 | fatal_ | valdyn_: so what you are saying is that the precompiled kernel images aren't built by experts? :P |
| 09:16.36 | salah | Gnea: Yes I am. But I don't know where to get a contrib package of Java. I don't know about any mirrors... |
| 09:16.39 | Gnea | w3rdn4: much of it, yes |
| 09:16.49 | gonzaloaf | valdyn_: ok... but I'll try to do it now |
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| 09:16.58 | valdyn_ | fatal_: that isnt what i said |
| 09:17.00 | w3rdn4 | neat, I am not sure what CSS is though haha |
| 09:17.12 | Gnea | salah: ah, then you didn't interface with the bot properly |
| 09:17.18 | w3rdn4 | I just started to get back into making websites and a friend of mine said make a CSS type |
| 09:17.24 | gonzaloaf | Does somebody know an online translator like Babylon for Window$ |
| 09:17.39 | Gnea | w3rdn4: heh, web development has changed considerably over the past couple years |
| 09:17.48 | valdyn_ | gonzaloaf: google? |
| 09:17.50 | Gnea | w3rdn4: what's new now will be obsolete in a few weeks |
| 09:18.11 | encompass | I have an old ndiswrapper module still in my computer how do I get rid of it with ndiswraper installed? |
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| 09:18.30 | Gnea | w3rdn4: or it will go on to become a long-standing standard |
| 09:18.34 | salah | Gnea: Well, im new to Debian, so I don't know what to ask to the bot |
| 09:18.38 | gonzaloaf | valdyn_: yeah yeah, I already searched and find some.. but i just wanted yo know about a recommendatior or somethind like that |
| 09:18.44 | Gnea | !java |
| 09:18.45 | dpkg | well, java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 09:18.49 | w3rdn4 | Gnea, I think that is what CSS is trying to become from what I read. |
| 09:18.49 | Gnea | !install java |
| 09:18.50 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Still here? Install the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about java-package. |
| 09:18.57 | Gnea | !java-package |
| 09:18.57 | dpkg | [java-package] a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
| 09:19.03 | Gnea | salah: see? :) |
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| 09:19.16 | Gnea | w3rdn4: trying to? it already has :) |
| 09:19.22 | gonzaloaf | !blootbot |
| 09:19.22 | dpkg | well, blootbot is a severely modified infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl |
| 09:19.58 | roboo | anyone help me please? |
| 09:20.09 | valdyn_ | !help roboo |
| 09:20.12 | encompass | what is your question roboo |
| 09:20.28 | Adrian | !msg the bot |
| 09:20.28 | dpkg | please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood |
| 09:20.41 | sep | roboo, nice screenshot hehe |
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| 09:21.28 | w3rdn4 | Gnea, what do you suppose is next after CSS? |
| 09:21.29 | sep | roboo, what did you do upgrade the kernel ? try booting a older kernel from the bootloader list |
| 09:21.55 | fireba11 | sep: he switched mobo and CPU . .crom celeron to amd64 ^^ |
| 09:21.56 | Gnea | w3rdn4: cerebral implants? |
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| 09:22.16 | sep | isnt amd running on a i386 kernel ? never had one |
| 09:22.16 | roboo | sep i didn't upgrade kernel |
| 09:22.45 | fireba11 | sep yes .. though the hardware change could be considered pretty extreme :-) |
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| 09:24.10 | dvsdude | roboo; why not try boot knoppix live cd chroot then from there recompile kernel or install kernel image would be like remastering can be done have done it |
| 09:24.53 | Cyano-Mobile | is it possible to share the following ppp connection to other computers on my network? |
| 09:24.57 | Cyano-Mobile | ppp0 Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol |
| 09:24.58 | Cyano-Mobile | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:24.58 | Cyano-Mobile | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:24.58 | Cyano-Mobile | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:24.58 | Cyano-Mobile | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:25.19 | w3rdn4 | Gnea, They already have those in use right now |
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| 09:25.54 | Cyano-Mobile | sorry |
| 09:26.31 | dvsdude | roboo: once boot with knoppix u would set up internet access u would then mount hda and chroot /dev/hdaX then mount proc then u can apt-get or recompile kernel |
| 09:26.32 | roboo | dvsdude how can i recompile kernel? i was using kernel debian official package |
| 09:26.43 | Cyano-Mobile | can someone join flood to help me with my ppp sharing question |
| 09:27.06 | valdyn_ | !masq |
| 09:27.07 | dpkg | hmm... masq is See: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO/index.html by JohnFlux :), or do "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o <output interface device, such as eth0> -j MASQUERADE ; echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" and view the rules with iptables -t nat -L, or >> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO/index.html << url has changed |
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| 09:27.44 | roboo | dvsdude apt-get --reinstall ? |
| 09:27.47 | Gnea | w3rdn4: where? |
| 09:27.50 | valdyn_ | Cyano-Mobile: that is it basically ^^, or just 'apt-get install firestarter' and click your way to that goal. |
| 09:28.00 | roboo | and which kernel should i install for amd64 ? |
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| 09:28.04 | ribx | i'm searching for a "runlevel"-script for debian - any sugestions? |
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| 09:28.24 | Gnea | w3rdn4: perhaps i shouldn't have been so vague :) |
| 09:28.30 | jm_ | ribx: skeleton |
| 09:28.49 | ribx | jm_, thank you |
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| 09:29.12 | dvsdude | roboo: no apt-get install kernel-image-2.x.x-amd64 or what ever kernel image |
| 09:29.20 | sep | roboo, boot knoppix, chroot to your install and reinstall a kernel-image that fits your arch |
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| 09:29.31 | Cyano-Mobile | valdyn_: how do I get the packets to be sent over ethernet? |
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| 09:29.47 | valdyn_ | Cyano-Mobile: which packets? |
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| 09:30.29 | w3rdn4 | Gnea, I saw it on the discovery channel to where a paraplegic had a implant done to his brain so that he can control a mouse and use it to click icons on the computer screen infront of him |
| 09:30.29 | Cyano-Mobile | valdyn_: My question was about sharing my ppp connection with another computer on my network |
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| 09:31.00 | w3rdn4 | It reminds me of some anime I watched a long time ago, to where a child was connected to the net infecting the minds of humanity through imperialism on television. |
| 09:31.00 | valdyn_ | Cyano-Mobile: yes, i know, i gave you the solution to that, i still need to know about which packets you are talking before answering that spcific question |
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| 09:31.06 | dvsdude | Cyano-Mobile: what desktop u running |
| 09:31.18 | kitsune-of-doom | yeah...I'm debootstrapping from Knoppix, and the kernel sources I have won't compile...menuconfig won't even work...it has a fairly minimal system...what packages would I need to compile the kernel? |
| 09:31.28 | neil | Hi I have just installed OpenOffice here but the spell checker isn't working can anyone help? |
| 09:31.31 | Cyano-Mobile | dvsdude: kde |
| 09:31.32 | w3rdn4 | Gnea, excuse me for my vagueness as I only can think of discovery channel haha |
| 09:31.41 | valdyn_ | Cyano-Mobile: origin and destination of those packaets does matter |
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| 09:32.56 | fireba11 | neil: "isn't working" ? |
| 09:33.04 | dvsdude | Cyano-Mobile: as valdyn_ has already suggested install firestarter |
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| 09:33.18 | monto | scappo, ciao!! |
| 09:33.27 | Cyano-Mobile | valdyn_: Will try firestarter |
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| 09:33.56 | faber2 | hi everybody |
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| 09:35.26 | salah | Gnea: now, im done with the compiling, and the rest of it is to just type "dpkg -i sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update03_i386.deb" but that don't know because it can't find the file... |
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| 09:37.24 | dvsdude | salah: http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/install-linux.html might help u |
| 09:38.31 | neil | fireball: the autocheck doesn't underline anything and the spell check doesn't find the mistakes. |
| 09:38.31 | neil | fireball: it does appear to run though |
| 09:38.43 | neil | fireball: droped off line for a minute did you reply? |
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| 09:41.10 | w3rdn4 | I cannot copy everything into nano |
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| 09:41.19 | w3rdn4 | is there something that would allow me to copy more txt into the editor? |
| 09:42.18 | antgel | needing a new laptop, main criteria are price, weight, and build quality. am i going to dell? if not, who? i am somewhat out of the loop re pc hardware... |
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| 09:42.38 | dvsdude | w3rdn4: to paste in nano use ctrl + Insert keys |
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| 09:42.54 | steal | antgel, i'm on ibm 600x and work very well |
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| 09:44.10 | w3rdn4 | dvsdude, I have pasted that it won't let me paste anymore |
| 09:44.58 | w3rdn4 | dvsdude, I am trying to paste css public code and save it to see what it looks like, but it won't letme paste all of it. |
| 09:45.04 | steal | nano nano |
| 09:45.17 | steal | mindy and mork |
| 09:45.22 | steal | :-) |
| 09:45.24 | w3rdn4 | so it seems nano has limits to how much text can be put into nano |
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| 09:45.32 | w3rdn4 | anyone know a way around this? |
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| 09:46.09 | SimonRaven | use vim/emacs |
| 09:46.14 | steal | w3rdn4, grep options >> filetxt |
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| 09:46.24 | dvsdude | w3rdn4: try vi |
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| 09:47.13 | antgel | steal: hmm, ibm doesn't sound like value to me but i'll check it out. |
| 09:47.29 | name | Wie kann ich die Sprache von aptitude ändern? How can I change the language of aptitude? |
| 09:47.40 | antgel | SimonRaven: don't you care to tell me which second hand mac laptop i should get, to install debian ppc on? :) |
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| 09:47.48 | w3rdn4 | well vi does the samething |
| 09:47.53 | w3rdn4 | I cannot past the entire code |
| 09:47.58 | w3rdn4 | YAR!!!! |
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| 09:48.06 | cahoot | name: a matter of setting locale? |
| 09:48.07 | w3rdn4 | this means I can throw away vi and nano |
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| 09:48.23 | w3rdn4 | I have never reached this point yet in life which is odd |
| 09:48.25 | pmacuser | hello |
| 09:48.25 | dvsdude | w3rdn4: start typing lol |
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| 09:48.33 | SimonRaven | antgel: pismo |
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| 09:48.57 | w3rdn4 | dvsdude, It should be easier just to paste it all, since I am using it to study their layouts and such |
| 09:49.24 | dvsdude | w3rdn4: well off course it is i was being sarcastic |
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| 09:50.06 | name | cahoot: all LC_* variables are "de_CH" |
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| 09:50.17 | neil | Hi I have just installed OpenOffice here but the spell checker isn't picking up spelling mistakes |
| 09:50.40 | w3rdn4 | nice emacs could handle it |
| 09:50.44 | pmacuser | I am trying to get the sound to work on my powermac g3.Anyone know how? |
| 09:51.09 | antgel | SimonRaven: i'm looking now, ta |
| 09:51.40 | SimonRaven | antgel: that's what i'm planning on getting, if my friend's dad lets it go |
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| 09:51.52 | dvsdude | w3rdn4: hooraay richard stallman would be happy |
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| 09:52.24 | w3rdn4 | at least he was like, I want EU to be able to copy and paste large amounts of source code easily |
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| 09:52.42 | w3rdn4 | then again, I could see some other argue source code should not be that large |
| 09:52.43 | w3rdn4 | haha |
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| 09:52.59 | w3rdn4 | I really don't know, I am just happy now |
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| 09:55.03 | w3rdn4 | sweetness, I am in the midst of learning about css layouts for a website I am creating to promote myself |
| 09:55.08 | Jnas | hi, can someone help me how to create new initrd image, with usb-storage module? |
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| 09:56.23 | w3rdn4 | just incase anyone out there is randomly doing what I am doing as well. CSS layout design. If you need help check out this website http://www.glish.com/css/ <--- Lots of excellent help and also the guy says he will pay you 3k for helping him out if he uses your link haha |
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| 09:57.05 | SPF | I was downloading a torrent using btheadless, it stopped at 2,1Gb saying "IO Error [Errno 27] File too large" |
| 09:57.28 | millosh | does anyone know where can i find cyrus22 (unofficial) packages from Henrique de Moraes Holschuh? (i am trying it on google, but i can't find...) |
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| 09:59.02 | jm_ | SPF: use something else? |
| 09:59.40 | Bogaurd | hey - can someone tell me how i can go about doing this: |
| 09:59.40 | Bogaurd | When a client sends a print job to my samba/cups print server, the job gets an ugly name like 'smbprn.xxxxx' in the queue, so I have no idea what it is - how can i change this to something more descriptive? (Ie: Document 1 - Miscrosoft Word (By Username)) |
| 09:59.41 | sep | SPF, are you saving it on a fs with 2GB file limit ? |
| 09:59.47 | w3rdn4 | with CSS format can you use the CSS format inside of tables to get something that looks like www.etn.fm ??? |
| 09:59.57 | SPF | im using ext2 |
| 10:00.12 | SPF | should I convert it to ext3? |
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| 10:00.26 | sep | SPF should make no difference |
| 10:00.36 | sep | SPF, you might want to convert to ext3 for other reasons tho |
| 10:00.37 | SPF | so it's on the btclient's end? |
| 10:00.42 | SPF | yea, I knpw |
| 10:01.08 | Nosklo | SPF, its on the filesystem, but converting to ext3 is no solution |
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| 10:01.45 | sep | SPF, you might want to convert to ext3 for other reasons |
| 10:01.54 | sep | sorry |
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| 10:02.11 | SPF | is there a way I wont be getting that error in the future? |
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| 10:02.17 | SPF | should I choose an other fs? |
| 10:02.23 | SPF | like reiser or? |
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| 10:03.10 | fireba11 | SPF: i'm having a 20 GB file on my ext3 .. it's not a file system problem you know |
| 10:03.15 | Morrowyn | does any perhaps know this, i have 2 screen in x11 , can i turn off 1 display during my x11 session, so that my desktop shrinks from 2560 width to 1280 width ? |
| 10:03.17 | sep | !reiser |
| 10:03.17 | dpkg | hmm... reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. |
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| 10:04.04 | Bogaurd | hey - can someone tell me how i can go about doing this: |
| 10:04.05 | Bogaurd | When a client sends a print job to my samba/cups print server, the job gets an ugly name like 'smbprn.xxxxx' in the queue, so I have no idea what it is - how can i change this to something more descriptive? (Ie: Document 1 - Miscrosoft Word (By Username)) |
| 10:04.05 | neild | I have install OpenOffice + myspell-en-gb, but OpenOffice isn't finding misspelt words can anyone help please? |
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| 10:06.30 | anibal | !rpm |
| 10:06.30 | dpkg | from memory, rpm is revolutions per minute, or Red Hat package manager;; "rpm2cpio foo.rpm | cpio -ivdum" to extract the beasties, or a programming language according to LinuxOne, or convert them to .deb's with 'alien'. Relaxing Porn Movie, or random package mangling, or an inferior package type when compared to deb. Rubbish Package Management. Retards pathetic Moaning, or roothats pathalogical muckfuck, or rat-poison method, or robot ... |
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| 10:08.47 | txetemar | hello can ihelp me?? |
| 10:08.51 | txetemar | i have one problem |
| 10:08.53 | txetemar | Please check that wx-config is in path |
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| 10:12.27 | pills_ | is debian have online pkg update tool like "yum or up2date" |
| 10:12.37 | sep | im trying to build the freeswan module using m-a on 2.4.27 in sarge it fails with ipsec_rcv.c:1527: error: structure has no member named `esp_in_udp' i have build-essesntials. i have apt-gotten the freeswan-module-source build-deps and m-a prepare. what am i missing here ?? |
| 10:13.21 | sep | pills_, debian is the mother of online pkg tools apt-get or aptitude pick one and stick to it. yum is a pale copy |
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| 10:17.29 | deadcat | which is which? its = it is, or it's = it is ? |
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| 10:17.57 | Tortel | it's |
| 10:18.03 | Tortel | '= the i |
| 10:18.55 | deadcat | oh damn |
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| 10:19.23 | stuarta | Anyone else seeing problems verifying Release.gpg files from secure-testing? |
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| 10:21.48 | pills_ | apt-get install libcurl |
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| 10:22.06 | pills_ | E: Couldn't find package libcurl |
| 10:22.30 | pills_ | sep, how can i update pkg with that tool |
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| 10:23.01 | sep | pills_, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 10:23.12 | si|vercat | hey I have this old ATI Rage Fury and I want to run my debian as a multimedia box on my TV, but X won't start on TVout.. can you help? |
| 10:23.19 | pills_ | already did |
| 10:23.21 | si|vercat | the screen is just black |
| 10:23.22 | sep | apt-cache search to look for available packages |
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| 10:25.44 | stuarta | Where's the public key for secure-testing.debian.net |
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| 10:26.24 | jm_ | on the internet |
| 10:26.30 | stuarta | ignore me just found it. |
| 10:26.44 | jm_ | it's on their page |
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| 10:28.26 | faber2 | what are .udeb files? |
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| 10:28.57 | roboo | hi |
| 10:29.00 | roboo | again |
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| 10:29.34 | antgel | !udeb |
| 10:29.34 | dpkg | udebs are microdebs, "regular debian packages that are not policy compliant. They are used by the new debian-installer project, to build up the actual system that then installs debian." -- thus spake Joey Hess, the great debian genius |
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| 10:30.32 | Eclipser | spake?-p |
| 10:30.59 | SimonRaven | !dict spake |
| 10:31.01 | dpkg | Dictionary 'spake' (5 of 20): 2. To express opinions; to say; to talk; to converse. ;; 4. To discourse; to make mention; to tell. ;; 5. To give sound; to sound. ;; 6. To convey sentiments, ideas, or intelligence as if by utterance; as, features that speak of self-will. ;; An honest man, is able to speak for himself, when a knave is not. --Shak.. |
| 10:31.09 | antgel | sep: freeswan is deprecated. use openswan. |
| 10:31.11 | Eclipser | ah, yes |
| 10:31.25 | roboo | http://img352.imageshack.us/my.php?image=00013145yo.jpg can you look please ? |
| 10:32.59 | sep | antgel, okay, that module built atlest |
| 10:33.49 | roboo | can you help me ? |
| 10:33.50 | roboo | sep.. |
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| 10:34.26 | row | php |
| 10:34.31 | row | oops |
| 10:36.29 | si|vercat | where can I get mplayer debs? |
| 10:36.40 | row | This is really odd, have gtk-theme-switch2 loaded on both my pcs, yet on one of them Sans,Regular,12 looks bold and larger, both machines have anti-aliasing on but the default gtk setup makes everything so large on my new install, does anyone have any ideas? |
| 10:37.17 | timo | si|vercat, /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 10:37.29 | amorphix | hi |
| 10:37.45 | amorphix | ive been offered an IBM Thinkpad X20 for £150, should I take it? |
| 10:38.03 | row | whats its specs? |
| 10:38.07 | fireba11 | amorphix: don't know details of x20 |
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| 10:38.35 | Coutal | i have an x20 |
| 10:38.35 | amorphix | subnotebook, P3-600, 192mb ram (320 max), 12GB hdd |
| 10:38.43 | amorphix | Coutal do you have any probs? |
| 10:38.48 | amorphix | gripes? |
| 10:38.48 | Coutal | it's a cute computer. haven't run linux on it though |
| 10:38.51 | row | I would not get that |
| 10:38.56 | amorphix | why? |
| 10:38.57 | row | fucking expensive for current prices |
| 10:38.59 | Coutal | dunno the prices in the UK though |
| 10:39.04 | amorphix | phew |
| 10:39.06 | Coutal | it was a good trade here |
| 10:39.20 | Coutal | row: don't jump to conclusions. it's a *sub* notebook |
| 10:39.24 | row | amorphix: http://hotukdeals.com/Article1941.phtml <-- if I was getting a lappy |
| 10:39.28 | Coutal | it's lightweight, and meant to be lightweight |
| 10:39.34 | Kupal[] | Do I have to compile openwrt or are there predone trx files for download.. im running sveasoft currently. |
| 10:39.43 | amorphix | I've also been offered a Compaq Armada M300 sub notebook for £140 which is also P3-600, 192mb, 12GB |
| 10:39.56 | petemc | Kupal[]: thats got zero to do with debian |
| 10:39.56 | SuperSox | amorphix: I'd jump on that :) |
| 10:40.01 | row | for me that would cause issues |
| 10:40.02 | Kupal[] | lol |
| 10:40.07 | Kupal[] | forgot i was in #debian |
| 10:40.19 | Coutal | i'd take the thinkpad over the armada anytime. better build quality, better drivers. i think it would last much longer |
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| 10:40.25 | amorphix | SuperSox: you would take that offer, or smash it up? |
| 10:40.27 | amorphix | ;-) |
| 10:40.30 | row | I run a acer aspire amd athlon xp 1500+, 256, 20gb but I would like more ram and hdd space. |
| 10:40.30 | Coutal | amorphix: it all boils down to what your needs are |
| 10:40.36 | SuperSox | amorphix: take the offer :) |
| 10:40.50 | Kupal[] | Buy.. Sell.. Buy... Sell... Sell.. |
| 10:41.06 | Coutal | row: how much does it weigh? how long does its battery last? |
| 10:41.14 | Coutal | amorphix: be sure to check if it comes with full battery |
| 10:41.16 | amorphix | I had an Armada M700 a while ago but the hinges went on it and the LCD was loose, im worried the same might happen to this lighter cousin the M300 |
| 10:41.21 | SuperSox | I imagine you'd get more than £140 for it on ebay if you aren't interested in keeping it ;) |
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| 10:41.23 | Coutal | renewing a battery can be quite costly |
| 10:41.35 | row | 2.9kg, not sure about battery really does depend what you doing, with more ram be a lot better probs. |
| 10:41.40 | amorphix | :-) |
| 10:41.51 | SuperSox | it's usually more economical to buy a new laptop than a new battery ;) |
| 10:42.10 | row | I love my acer tho |
| 10:42.11 | Coutal | SuperSox: the most economical thing to do is renew a battery, actually |
| 10:42.15 | row | been using solidly for years |
| 10:42.18 | amorphix | my HP Omnibook 6000 is a nice machine, weighs a bit heavy at 2.2kg inc battery or 1.7kg without, i paid £160 for this machine |
| 10:42.22 | Coutal | because you can get bargain deals on laptops with no battery. |
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| 10:42.24 | amorphix | but the nic sux |
| 10:42.41 | SuperSox | how do you go about renewing a battery? heh |
| 10:43.04 | SuperSox | the one on this laptop is knackered, and it'd cost about £100 to replace, which is about all the laptop is worth now |
| 10:43.05 | amorphix | I think they can be recycled and renewed but its not easy to do |
| 10:43.14 | amorphix | you can pick up cheap replacements on ebay |
| 10:43.19 | Coutal | SuperSox: there are specialty stores that do that. they open up the battery, replace the cells with compatible ones, zero out the usage counter and presto |
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| 10:43.53 | amorphix | SuperSox what laptop is it? |
| 10:43.58 | SuperSox | sounds like it'd involve driving somewhere, and I don't have a car :P I'll just keep running this laptop off the mains then haha :) |
| 10:44.03 | Coutal | i really like the x20 as far as weight goes. but you know, ymmv especially with usage pattern |
| 10:44.19 | SuperSox | amorphix: Dell Latitude C600, battery died on it years ago... still ocassionaly get a bit of charge out of it though |
| 10:44.31 | amorphix | I purchased a Satellite Pro secondary battery + housing (brand new Toshiba) for £10 on eBay |
| 10:44.54 | SuperSox | I've got a little Toshiba with two working batterys :) |
| 10:45.00 | amorphix | battery bargains are there to be had, but Dell prices are not good even on eBay |
| 10:45.06 | amorphix | everyone wants Dell it seems |
| 10:45.07 | row | is there a way I can import all my gtk/font settings from another debian install? |
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| 10:45.19 | Coutal | amorphix: no idea why. dell makes medicore laptops |
| 10:45.20 | SuperSox | Dell prices on ebay for everything other than batterys are quite good |
| 10:45.20 | xzu | ehr.. i have a woody box, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade everything should be up to date right? 0.9.6c-2.woody seems a bit old though... |
| 10:45.25 | row | this is really pissing me off that my laptop fonts are so much sharper than my other setup's |
| 10:45.36 | fireba11 | Coutal: and they are damn expensive |
| 10:45.39 | jm_ | try dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig |
| 10:45.39 | amorphix | thats true |
| 10:45.40 | xzu | dpkg shows: ii libssl0.9.6 0.9.6c-2.woody SSL shared libraries |
| 10:45.43 | row | k |
| 10:45.44 | SuperSox | The reason is simple :) |
| 10:45.47 | xzu | boggle |
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| 10:45.56 | Coutal | for new laptops, they're not as expensive as thinkpads. but for used, it's crazy. |
| 10:45.59 | SuperSox | loads of buisnesses buy dell laptops... after a year they sell them on |
| 10:46.06 | jm_ | also verify /etc/fonts/fonts.conf and ~/.fonts.config |
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| 10:46.13 | SuperSox | so the cost of them floors out, well, at least on the latitudes |
| 10:46.17 | leminhteo | hi all |
| 10:46.18 | tpr | where should I permanently change X resolution (gnome)? some of the ways seemed to leave a distorted desktop |
| 10:46.20 | Router_hh | anyone know a good manual or step to compile a kernel |
| 10:46.22 | Coutal | new thinkpads (excluding the new r50e and other such shit) are very very costly. |
| 10:46.27 | leminhteo | how can i configure PPPoE in debian? |
| 10:46.31 | SuperSox | getting spare parts for mine is easy+ cheap, except for the battery :) |
| 10:46.42 | antgel | Router_hh: why do you need to compile a kernel? |
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| 10:46.47 | row | jim: what is the sharp set of fonts Native or Autohinter? |
| 10:46.51 | fireba11 | Coutal: not true .. i bought 2 thinkpads for work, not really expensive compared to the dell stuff .. the dell laptop is not that expensice, but if oyu dare to order extras ... |
| 10:47.30 | Coutal | fireba11: well, here it is. and import takes a few weeks delay, not to mention support |
| 10:47.48 | si|vercat | can someone help me with ATI Rage Fury 128 and TV-Out? |
| 10:47.50 | Coutal | fireba11: the new high-end models cost much more than the supposedly-equivlent dells |
| 10:47.51 | Router_hh | because i can´t configure my nvidia i cant. change to 1024x768 |
| 10:47.56 | streuner | !info pppoeconf |
| 10:48.06 | dpkg | pppoeconf: (configures PPPoE/ADSL connections), section net, is optional. Version: 1.8 (sid), Packaged size: 38 kB, Installed size: 308 kB |
| 10:48.15 | amorphix | i dont like the casing on Thinkpads |
| 10:48.33 | amorphix | I would sooner have a laptop that looks nice |
| 10:48.57 | Coutal | get a clamshell imac and run linux on it |
| 10:48.59 | bibe | amorphix : take a look at Asus models |
| 10:49.02 | amorphix | Thinkpads looks like something that fell out of a christmas cracker |
| 10:49.03 | Coutal | it's a chick magnet |
| 10:49.21 | amorphix | hehe |
| 10:49.32 | fireba11 | amorphix: thei'r design is about 10 years old ^^ ... it's pretty sturdy though |
| 10:49.38 | amorphix | Toshiba portege is stylish |
| 10:49.50 | amorphix | I guess so |
| 10:49.57 | SuperSox | I don't want a stylish laptop :) |
| 10:50.04 | SuperSox | I like the style on my C600 |
| 10:50.13 | Coutal | i wanted something lightweight. i don't regret going with the x20 |
| 10:50.17 | SuperSox | it's simple, black with no pointless extras :) |
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| 10:51.04 | fireba11 | we got a handfull of R52s here .. |
| 10:51.13 | Coutal | how much is 3.1lb in kilograms? |
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| 10:52.03 | xzu | !info openssl woody |
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| 10:52.09 | amorphix | I think you could hold the X20 up with one hand and not feel any strain |
| 10:52.10 | dpkg | openssl: (Secure Socket Layer (SSL) binary and related cryptographic tools.), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.9.6c-2.woody.7 (woody), Packaged size: 706 kB, Installed size: 1784 kB |
| 10:52.13 | valdyn_ | no idea but iirc ibm thinkpad x modoles are ~1.3 kg |
| 10:52.16 | amorphix | its under 1.5kg eh |
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| 10:52.19 | valdyn_ | no idea but iirc ibm thinkpad x modeles are ~1.3 kg |
| 10:52.23 | bbrazil_ | !convert 3.1lb in kilograms |
| 10:52.55 | amorphix | compare this to the Compaq Armada M700 which weighs in at a hefty 2.4kg |
| 10:53.03 | Coutal | but how much is the m300? |
| 10:53.11 | amorphix | 1.5kg exactly |
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| 10:53.30 | amorphix | all the weight is in the docking station |
| 10:53.34 | Coutal | that's just a tad heavier than the x20. so why go with compaq? |
| 10:53.39 | Coutal | you don't need that docking station |
| 10:53.44 | Coutal | well, for most things at least |
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| 10:53.58 | Coutal | i know i don't, for my particular application |
| 10:54.04 | amorphix | i like the armada's the screens are very good and they're way faster than HP omnibooks |
| 10:54.07 | Laibsch | Coutal: nice choice. I also think the x20 is fabulous. |
| 10:54.18 | amorphix | but the hinge issue bothers me, im worried the M300 would go the same way as my M700 |
| 10:54.22 | faber2 | should a non smp kernel recognize a second cp |
| 10:54.24 | faber2 | u? |
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| 10:54.31 | valdyn_ | faber2: no |
| 10:54.33 | Coutal | faber2: if it's a HT machine, probably. |
| 10:54.41 | Coutal | oh |
| 10:54.46 | Coutal | i thought it was the other way round |
| 10:54.48 | faber2 | Coutal: it 2 x XEON 3.2 |
| 10:54.49 | Coutal | i misread your question |
| 10:54.53 | valdyn_ | smt is just a special case of smp |
| 10:54.59 | valdyn_ | smt = ht |
| 10:55.03 | Coutal | yeah, i know, i misread the question |
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| 10:55.40 | faber2 | i have noticed debian has linux-image now instead of kernel-image. does anybody know why? |
| 10:55.43 | alceste | hi |
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| 10:55.58 | valdyn_ | faber2: debian does not only support linux kernels |
| 10:56.06 | valdyn_ | faber2: so kernel-image would be misleading |
| 10:56.27 | alceste | need a little help on dpkg-source (hope it's the right channel) |
| 10:56.42 | Laibsch | Could it be that libc6, version 2.3.5-6 (the latest one in testing) has some major problems, especially with UTF-8? I was told something to that effect and that this might be the root cause of lockups in the bash shell for various programs I have been experiencing for about a month. |
| 10:56.45 | Coutal | debian supports hurd as well, and every now and then a bsd port attempt appears |
| 10:57.09 | faber2 | valdyn_: ok. and are these kernels always up to date? or is 2.6.12 in testing now the latest? |
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| 10:57.37 | Coutal | you can always compile your own. afaik debian kernels are not heavily patched from vanilla anyway |
| 10:57.42 | valdyn_ | faber2: they dont instantly spring into existence as soon as kernel.org shows a new one |
| 10:58.15 | faber2 | valdyn_: well i know. what the policy of the maintainer? |
| 10:58.17 | si|vercat | hey I have this old ATI Rage Fury and I want to run my debian as a multimedia box on my TV, but I can't get anything but console on the TV.. |
| 10:59.07 | valdyn_ | faber2: the maintainer releases a kernel to sid when he thinks its ready, the kernel goes into testing after probably 10 days have passed an no severe bug was found |
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| 10:59.54 | faber2 | valdyn_: cool |
| 11:00.28 | faber2 | now my SMP kernel recognized 4(!) Xeon CPU's, but I only have two. is that HT? should i disable that somehow? |
| 11:00.50 | valdyn_ | faber2: thats ht, why would you want to disable that? |
| 11:01.08 | petemc | because its vulnerable to a theoretical bug.. |
| 11:01.30 | faber2 | valdyn_: may be because 2 physical CPUs perform better that 4 logical |
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| 11:01.33 | valdyn_ | faber2: its 4 cpus for you OS, but the underlying hardware implies that the 2 'cores' on the ht cpus slow each other down |
| 11:01.34 | avdyk | hi all |
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| 11:01.47 | Bogaurd | argh, there has got to be some way to change the name samba assigns to a pring job in the queue from smbprn.xxxxx.xxxxx, right? |
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| 11:02.02 | avdyk | I'm using OpenBox and I'd like to setup the default font... any pointer? |
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| 11:02.08 | yoel | hi. It might sound stuipd.. but how do you can copy the image of the screen in xwindow (kdm).. like printscreen in windows? |
| 11:02.20 | valdyn_ | faber2: that would be possible, but unlikely |
| 11:02.21 | petemc | !screenshot |
| 11:02.21 | dpkg | methinks screenshot is 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd |
| 11:02.24 | jm_ | !tell yoel -about screenshot |
| 11:02.34 | faber2 | valdyn_: so your conclusion? leave it with 4? |
| 11:02.38 | valdyn_ | faber2: yea |
| 11:02.45 | avdyk | ... and thanks for yesterday, it was my jfs that was dead, I removed it and re-created it and Debian boots again |
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| 11:02.52 | valdyn_ | faber2: or disable ht in your bios if you really want to experiment |
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| 11:03.32 | nir_ | hi , i have a serius problom , i'm connected via a linux router to the net(the router is via PPP) now every few sec the dns values at /etc/resolve.conf at my machine are changed to the ip of the router (10.0.0.138)... and i neeed to redit the values to the real DNS server... any idea how i can set it perm ? |
| 11:03.33 | valdyn_ | !screenshot |
| 11:03.33 | dpkg | [screenshot] 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd |
| 11:03.40 | valdyn_ | yoel: ^^ |
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| 11:04.20 | valdyn_ | nir_: what's wrong with using your router as dns server? |
| 11:05.08 | wOOt | maybe u need to change the dns Ip's on the dhcp server (router) |
| 11:05.33 | valdyn_ | more likely the router gets its dns entry when dialing in |
| 11:05.33 | yoel | thanks people :) |
| 11:06.33 | leminhteo | bye all |
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| 11:07.17 | Bogaurd | argh, there has got to be some way to change the name samba assigns to a pring job in the queue from smbprn.xxxxx.xxxxx, right? |
| 11:07.45 | fireba11 | Bogaurd: don't think so ^^ |
| 11:08.08 | Bogaurd | fireba11: :( |
| 11:08.11 | m4lu7 | what are my bootloader options aside from grub, lilo, for a system that'll run only Debian, and nothing else, ever? |
| 11:08.27 | valdyn_ | m4lu7: what's wrong with those 2? |
| 11:08.35 | fireba11 | m4lu7: what's wrong with grub and lilo ? |
| 11:08.42 | nir_ | i tried to set the dns server as the router(10.0.0.138) but there are routring err msg ( mostly when i tries to APT-GET).... |
| 11:08.56 | m4lu7 | valdyn_, curiosity, mainly. wondering if i can go without a complex bootloader like grub or lilo |
| 11:09.09 | valdyn_ | nir_: routing errors have nothing to do with dns really, what's the error? |
| 11:09.10 | m4lu7 | there seem to be very very few options in deb archives. |
| 11:09.18 | nir_ | i want to know why every few min the dns values at my /etc/resiolve.conf are changed to the router address |
| 11:09.28 | nir_ | no Route to host |
| 11:09.49 | nir_ | when the dns server at my machine is set to the router |
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| 11:10.21 | nir_ | only when i set my dns values to the ISP's dns server the problom is set. |
| 11:10.27 | fireba11 | nir_: rout got nothing to do with DNS though |
| 11:10.46 | amorphix | does anyone know the options for sis900 nic module? |
| 11:10.50 | nir_ | but thats the error iv got !!! :) |
| 11:11.05 | amorphix | i want to put a sis900 nic into full duplex mode |
| 11:11.09 | fireba11 | nir_: you using DHCP ? |
| 11:11.19 | valdyn_ | m4lu7: maybe syslinux can work, but really, stick to the default 2. They "complexity" is only to your advantage |
| 11:11.23 | nir_ | yea... |
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| 11:11.41 | fireba11 | nir_: now you know why your DNS gets set to your routers IP |
| 11:12.30 | m4lu7 | valdyn_, that's what i'm thinking, actually. |
| 11:12.36 | valdyn_ | nir_: your dhcp refreshes 'every few mins' thats why all things you chose to set via dhcp are set again. |
| 11:12.45 | nir_ | now , i dont know how to change the option on the router that will set the DNS values i WANT |
| 11:12.56 | nir_ | thanks :) |
| 11:13.07 | nir_ | i dont know DHCP very well :( |
| 11:13.12 | m4lu7 | valdyn_, and no, the complexity is really not to my advantage in this case, it's a testbed embedded box. so anything that won't be used is a potential hang up |
| 11:13.19 | m4lu7 | and/or distraction |
| 11:13.27 | fireba11 | nir_: you router should have a webinterface where you can set that easily .. |
| 11:13.34 | valdyn_ | m4lu7: oh, then syslinux might be good |
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| 11:13.50 | m4lu7 | valdyn_, yep. |
| 11:13.56 | m4lu7 | nice and simple. |
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| 11:14.16 | m4lu7 | i might end up doing some hack-job PXE/http-boot through kernel anyway |
| 11:15.53 | nir_ | iv cancled the DHCP server |
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| 11:16.46 | valdyn_ | nir_: look at /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf to set which things you actually get via dhcp, or fix this on your dhcp servers config, the options are mostly self explanatory |
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| 11:18.07 | nir_ | thanks !!! :) |
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| 11:18.34 | row | parport0: FIFO is stuck |
| 11:18.34 | row | parport0: BUSY timeout (1) in compat_write_block_pio |
| 11:18.34 | row | DMA write timed out <--- I am getting syslog flooded with that yet I don't even use my parellel port, anyway to stop it without filtering it out of syslog and dumping it? |
| 11:18.58 | angelo | ok I wanna set up firewall with iptables .. which ports require to be open to let my internet sharing work?? |
| 11:19.21 | valdyn_ | nir_: if you have resolvonf installed you might also want to look into its manpage or remove that package |
| 11:19.22 | nir_ | vladkao, i just removed the dhcp option from the router... |
| 11:19.55 | valdyn_ | nir_: that means that you will now need to configure your network interfaces to static settings |
| 11:20.03 | chemaja | angelo: netfilter.org, tldp.org |
| 11:20.05 | si|vercat | any recent kpkg-guides? |
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| 11:20.38 | nir_ | its oky, iv got only 2 computers :) |
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| 11:25.04 | dl9pf | hi folks ! |
| 11:25.17 | liable | hello |
| 11:25.48 | dl9pf | anyone experience with selinux and debian ? (just basic hints / first steps ? ) |
| 11:27.33 | liable | !test |
| 11:27.33 | dpkg | Sorry, liable, I didn't get your test. |
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| 11:29.11 | dl9pf | anyone experience with selinux and debian ? (just basic hints / first steps ? ) |
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| 11:30.56 | SuperSox | hummm, XMMS's Load Diaglog really annoys me, anything I can do about it to make it a bit nicer looking? or would I be looking at re-coding something? |
| 11:31.02 | Eclipser | dl9pf, don't repeat |
| 11:31.28 | Eclipser | SuperSox, it's a GTK1 thing, you can't really do anything about it :) |
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| 11:31.38 | dl9pf | @eclipser: sri ... my fault ... it was cut'n'paste ... |
| 11:31.44 | SuperSox | Eclipser: damn, because it's super ugly :) |
| 11:31.46 | liable | whats the load dialog? |
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| 11:31.56 | SuperSox | the dialog for loading a file into xmms ;) |
| 11:31.57 | Eclipser | SuperSox, wait till they get XMMS2 out of development builds |
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| 11:32.54 | SuperSox | I could probably hack it... but I don't have the time (as it'd take me bloody age haha) |
| 11:32.56 | bop1 | hey how do i configure a package? |
| 11:32.57 | tpr | where should I permanently change X resolution (gnome)? some of the ways seemed to leave a distorted desktop |
| 11:33.08 | bop1 | i remember there was some reconfigure switch to dpkg or some of the packaging tools |
| 11:33.08 | liable | !tell dl9pf about away |
| 11:33.15 | JJK | Hello, how do I install modules for a new 2.6 kernel built with make-kpkg? |
| 11:33.22 | tpr | editing the x config file or is there a 'tool' or? |
| 11:33.36 | liable | !drxx tpr |
| 11:33.37 | dpkg | tpr: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 11:33.56 | liable | JJK: the same way as any, with modprobe |
| 11:34.18 | Eclipser | SuperSox, save yourself and DON'T read XMMS code |
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| 11:34.29 | SuperSox | Eclipser: hehe |
| 11:34.30 | Eclipser | I did that mistake once |
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| 11:34.35 | JJK | liable, i didn't mean LOADING them, I mean installing them, so they can be found by modprobe |
| 11:34.36 | amorphix | i just brought up my nic and it said couldnt autonegiotiate with partner link, can someone explain what this means and the implications? |
| 11:34.57 | SuperSox | Eclipser: I don't have the time to anyway... i'm assuming it's written in C and my C skills are rusty to say the least |
| 11:34.59 | Eclipser | SuperSox, I ended up building my own player :) |
| 11:35.05 | Eclipser | yes it's C |
| 11:35.11 | liable | JJK: they should be made by make-kpkg kernel_image.. read the man page.. |
| 11:35.14 | Eclipser | and GTK1... |
| 11:35.21 | JJK | liable, I did |
| 11:35.28 | SuperSox | Eclipser: I tend to get lost when people start talking about pointers ;) |
| 11:35.29 | JJK | then I got a deb, which i installed |
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| 11:35.38 | amorphix | ?autonegotiate failed |
| 11:35.51 | amorphix | !tell amorphix autonegotiate failed |
| 11:36.02 | SuperSox | having said that, I'm starting to re-code sections of my website in c script heh |
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| 11:36.09 | amorphix | [dpkg] No, amorphix, I won't. (target invalid?) heh |
| 11:36.10 | Eclipser | SuperSox, C basics are quite easy really, it's just that I can't think very much non-object oriented way |
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| 11:36.27 | Eclipser | object oriented C is even more awful :) |
| 11:36.36 | amorphix | !google autonegotiate failed |
| 11:36.43 | dpkg | Google says autonegotiate failed is at http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/c2900xl/29_35xp/scg/kitrbl.htm or http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/c2900xl/29_35xu/scg/kitrbl.htm or http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/switches/ps637/products_configuration_guide_chapter09186a008007d958.html or http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/switches/ps637/products_configuration_guide_chapter09186a008007f25e.html or ... |
| 11:36.43 | SuperSox | Eclipser: that's pretty much my problem ;) |
| 11:36.48 | tpr | liable, thank you works like a charm |
| 11:37.08 | Eclipser | maybe I've been spoilt too much by Java and C++ |
| 11:37.15 | SuperSox | humm, need to setup mysql for this url logging script |
| 11:37.20 | SuperSox | eww C++ ;) |
| 11:37.23 | Eclipser | pft |
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| 11:37.39 | SuperSox | !start coding war |
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| 11:37.52 | Eclipser | !start programming language war |
| 11:37.55 | Eclipser | :( |
| 11:37.55 | SuperSox | hehe |
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| 11:38.08 | SuperSox | I'm always instantly void from such conversations |
| 11:38.14 | SuperSox | because I really like .NET/C# |
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| 11:38.22 | fireba11 | IKES |
| 11:38.30 | Eclipser | that's not very nix |
| 11:38.39 | SuperSox | no, no it's not :) |
| 11:38.55 | fireba11 | Eclipser: "not very" si the understatement if the year |
| 11:39.02 | Eclipser | hehe |
| 11:39.15 | Eclipser | well there is that project... what's it called again... |
| 11:39.17 | SuperSox | to be honest, it's a crying shame that it isn't... |
| 11:39.20 | SuperSox | Eclipser: mono |
| 11:39.22 | Eclipser | that |
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| 11:39.37 | SuperSox | mono works quite well, but I haven't played with it much |
| 11:39.41 | amorphix | I have an inbound nic for my lan which is setup 10TX and no autonegotiation, and my outbound is 100TX and autonegotiation. thats fuked up? |
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| 11:39.49 | SuperSox | I was at NCR for about a month and a half coding C#, that's when I fell in love with it |
| 11:39.50 | amorphix | shouldnt these be the other way around |
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| 11:40.10 | SuperSox | although previously at Uni we did a research paper on it.... the framework is rather nice imo |
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| 11:40.36 | Eclipser | I'll say nothing else except that it's an MS product |
| 11:40.41 | amorphix | SuperSox: NCR that makes the cash registers? |
| 11:40.45 | Eclipser | (never tried it so I can't really argue) |
| 11:40.50 | bibe | JJK : if you chose to compile the module(s) you are looking for as modules, then the installed .deb should have placed the module(s) under /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/... |
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| 11:40.52 | SuperSox | amorphix: yeah |
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| 11:41.08 | amorphix | SuperStox: I worked for your main rival, Omron Systems :P |
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| 11:41.27 | JJK | bibe, thank. I already found the problem. I forgot using modules_image. |
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| 11:41.32 | JJK | bibe, anyway, thanks |
| 11:41.33 | SuperSox | Eclipser: Visual Studio .NET 2004 is a great IDE.... .NET 2005 is a pant wettingly good IDE :) |
| 11:41.41 | bibe | JJK : no problem |
| 11:41.41 | SuperSox | amorphix: I was only on a student placement there... |
| 11:41.48 | amorphix | we knew alot about NCR, we had your machines to examine and experiment with |
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| 11:41.53 | amorphix | oh |
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| 11:42.03 | SuperSox | amorphix: haha :) |
| 11:42.04 | Eclipser | SuperSox, I hate all IDEs :p |
| 11:42.05 | amorphix | :-) |
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| 11:42.10 | Eclipser | I'm a VIMist :p |
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| 11:42.28 | SuperSox | amorphix: well, I was working in their R&D center :P |
| 11:42.38 | SuperSox | Eclipser: so am I for some tasks.... |
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| 11:42.47 | amorphix | I used to program Eproms and do quality control so i dunno much about the R&D side of things |
| 11:43.01 | SuperSox | amorphix: me either :) |
| 11:43.05 | amorphix | :) |
| 11:43.15 | SuperSox | amorphix: all I know is I wrote a nifty little tool for helping their testing |
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| 11:43.44 | SuperSox | I hated working there though |
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| 11:43.54 | amorphix | actually i formatted that companies puter on my job interview day |
| 11:44.27 | phil- | what a dickhead. |
| 11:44.36 | amorphix | they left me in a conference room with an IBM-compat PC switched on with a black screen and a flashing cursor...i got bored |
| 11:44.37 | amorphix | hehe |
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| 11:44.57 | zet | hello, how to write a regexp to change a string "/home/user/dir1/dir2/.../filename.txt" to "filename.txt"? Any idea? |
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| 11:46.20 | zet | in other words how to replace absolute path in relative path in a text? |
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| 11:46.22 | jm_ | zet: regex-s don't change strings, they're used for matching strings |
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| 11:46.53 | jm_ | zet: man basename |
| 11:47.19 | amorphix | <base href=""> ? |
| 11:47.44 | petemc | i think the correct term is chopping strings |
| 11:48.07 | amorphix | in perl setup a variable $path =''; |
| 11:48.11 | amorphix | oh |
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| 11:48.40 | zet | in fact it must remove string from the first "/" to the last "/" |
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| 11:48.55 | amorphix | you're going a strange way about doing things |
| 11:49.00 | petemc | zet: you have your answer courtesy of jm_ |
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| 11:49.29 | zet | thanks I will check it |
| 11:49.31 | amorphix | first you need to get the path string into a variable, then you can change or chop it how you see fit it |
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| 11:50.14 | petemc | morbo:~# basename /usr/share/doc/bash/FAQ |
| 11:50.14 | petemc | FAQ |
| 11:50.15 | Eclipser | zet, (\/.*\/) would match from first / to the last :) |
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| 11:51.34 | chuck_gr | is there a way to sync evolution with jpilot? |
| 11:51.47 | azeem | chuck_gr: there's gnome-pilot |
| 11:52.07 | zet | petemc: but first a command must find the path in a tex |
| 11:52.09 | azeem | chuck_gr: do you want to sync your palm pilot, or really jpilot? |
| 11:52.20 | amorphix | how does one force auto-negotiation for a nic? |
| 11:52.37 | jm_ | amorphix: auto is usually the default |
| 11:52.44 | amorphix | oh |
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| 11:52.53 | chuck_gr | azeem really jpilot. jpilot already is installed and syncing with my pilot |
| 11:52.58 | jm_ | and often NIC drivers report the result of it in your logs |
| 11:53.02 | zet | thank you all for the tips |
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| 11:53.04 | petemc | zet: FOO=`basename /path/to/some/file.txt` |
| 11:53.05 | amorphix | my nic says no auto-negotiation, does that mean its not supported then? |
| 11:53.15 | azeem | chuck_gr: don't think so then |
| 11:53.31 | amorphix | eth0: no autonegotiation, 10baseT-HD, link ok |
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| 11:54.09 | jm_ | then it's maybe forced |
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| 11:54.21 | chuck_gr | azeem how good is gpilot? |
| 11:54.23 | amorphix | i have this nic as my inbound on a server, yet my outbound is 100baseTx with negotiated |
| 11:54.34 | amorphix | maybe I should change my nics around? |
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| 11:54.54 | jm_ | well can it do 100Mbps at all? |
| 11:55.06 | jm_ | you probably won't gain anything in doing that |
| 11:55.15 | azeem | chuck_gr: well, hard to say. It uses pilot-link for syncing AFAIK |
| 11:55.20 | amorphix | no way, not outbound..my connection is only 128kb/750kb |
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| 11:55.40 | jm_ | yeah but your inbound goes to the router right? |
| 11:55.43 | amorphix | jm_ I want to use full-duplex on my lan and get my cards negotiating |
| 11:55.53 | amorphix | it goes to a hub |
| 11:56.09 | amorphix | the hub is too dumb? |
| 11:56.11 | chuck_gr | azeem wont hurt me to play with it, thaks |
| 11:56.14 | chuck_gr | thanks |
| 11:56.14 | jm_ | amorphix: ahh hub, they often don't work well with auto-negotiation |
| 11:56.14 | amorphix | i need a switch eh |
| 11:56.20 | amorphix | oh |
| 11:56.23 | amorphix | im screwed then |
| 11:56.44 | jm_ | well you can always try forcing it to 100 if it supports it, but keep in mind hubs often do half-duplex only |
| 11:56.51 | Casa_Nova | I'm cramping between my ears-- how do I get a long cmd lien from a text file to appear as the next line so I can just hit enter (my mouse is not working in cli right now - bad gpm setup I think ) |
| 11:56.55 | amorphix | that kinda sucks |
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| 11:57.06 | amorphix | if i get a switch i can have 100 and full duplex? |
| 11:57.26 | jm_ | sure, if the switch supports it |
| 11:57.27 | azeem | Casa_Nova: `cat foo` (in backticks) might work |
| 11:57.32 | amorphix | ok |
| 11:57.41 | jm_ | such switch would cost you about $20 or less (8 ports) |
| 11:57.43 | Casa_Nova | azeem thanks |
| 11:57.47 | amorphix | is setting up a switch much more involved than a hub? |
| 11:57.53 | jm_ | no it's the same really |
| 11:57.55 | amorphix | cheap |
| 11:58.01 | amorphix | woah |
| 11:58.08 | jm_ | but why not first experiment with your hub? |
| 11:58.10 | amorphix | are hubs and switches compatible? |
| 11:58.20 | amorphix | because I have a 2nd hub elsewhere |
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| 11:58.38 | thepeet | how can i check the driver version of my wireless card? :) |
| 11:58.38 | amorphix | I would like to, but im lost really |
| 11:58.52 | jm_ | just pass appropriate options to your NIC driver |
| 11:59.14 | amorphix | jm_ the confusion is i have a workstation on another hub connected to the main hub and that runs fine, but my laptop does not |
| 11:59.29 | thepeet | lsmod |
| 11:59.32 | thepeet | oops |
| 11:59.36 | amorphix | can the main hub still be blamed? |
| 11:59.41 | jm_ | amorphix: runs fine as in 100Mbps? |
| 12:00.08 | amorphix | jm_ no it runs half-duplex but even so, theres no network problems and performance issues like on my laptop, even doing large file transfers |
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| 12:00.25 | jm_ | amorphix: ahh, you're the feller with link-up messages? |
| 12:00.51 | amorphix | yeah i think so, but theres another fella having some probs so I'm told also |
| 12:01.14 | jm_ | might just be crappy driver or nic |
| 12:01.43 | amorphix | i carried out some diagnostics earlier on my laptops nic and did large packet pings and got 10-98% packet loss |
| 12:02.17 | amorphix | but i dunno how reliable those tests were really, i think any machine could see degraded performance under those tests |
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| 12:02.41 | jm_ | well run the same on your workstation, see how it performs |
| 12:02.49 | amorphix | ok |
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| 12:03.09 | amorphix | i wanna solve this because its really bugging me |
| 12:03.18 | amorphix | I think its something solveable |
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| 12:05.06 | nornagon | To upgrade from sarge to etch, I'd just change my sources.list to point to testing, then apt-get update; apt-get upgrade, right? |
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| 12:05.42 | antgel | !iyhtays |
| 12:05.42 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 12:05.51 | amorphix | im learning about networking so its not all bad |
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| 12:06.28 | nornagon | what a lovely attitude, antgel. |
| 12:06.31 | bibe | nornagon : you have to do an apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 12:06.36 | amorphix | hehe |
| 12:06.42 | cahoot | antgel: does that advice also go for hardware? |
| 12:06.44 | nornagon | bibe: Okay, thanks. :) |
| 12:06.46 | antgel | nornagon: thanks. read the manual. |
| 12:06.56 | jm_ | nornagon: saves us from asking more similar questions in the future |
| 12:06.58 | hackeron_ | how do I get the serial number (and any other general information) about a sata drive? -- hdparm seems to only work on ide drives. |
| 12:07.11 | azeem | what's wrong about upgrading to testing? |
| 12:07.15 | nornagon | jm_: I guess so. |
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| 12:07.28 | nornagon | Is there a howto or something on upgrading? |
| 12:07.35 | petemc | hackeron_: hwinfo? you say hdparm -I doesnt work? |
| 12:07.38 | Humanoid | How do I set a standby timeout for a serial ata hard drive? hdparm doesn't work. |
| 12:08.00 | amorphix | i wanna teach dpkg about autonegiotation on nics |
| 12:08.13 | antgel | !tell nornagon about reference |
| 12:08.35 | antgel | azeem: nothing wrong for those who can handle breakage etc |
| 12:08.37 | hackeron_ | petemc: hdparm -I says HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(identify) failed: Invalid argumen |
| 12:08.45 | bibe | dpkg, stable->testing |
| 12:08.45 | dpkg | Sarge too old for you already? Edit your sources.list ('editor /etc/apt/sources.list'), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'testing', and replace the security.debian.org line by a testing security line (ask me about testing security). Save the file, then 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'. Then subscribe to d-d-a (/msg dpkg d-d-a) or I will come and pour hot grits down your pants. |
| 12:08.50 | cheal | !tell nornagon about sarge->etch |
| 12:08.52 | petemc | hackeron_: fair enough, see if hwinfo does anything |
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| 12:09.05 | nornagon | cheal: heh, just got that one :) |
| 12:09.17 | cheal | nornagon: ah, didn't notice |
| 12:09.34 | majkel | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:09.42 | azeem | antgel: testing is supported, so if there is breakage, it is Debian's duty to sort it out |
| 12:09.53 | chuck_gr | azeem, why does my palm show up on different ports? |
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| 12:10.24 | azeem | chuck_gr: hmm, no idea, I didn't do it in a while |
| 12:10.46 | antgel | azeem: i hear you. however lots of questions here with users who have fucked up their systems and wouldn't have if they'd used stable. |
| 12:10.50 | chuck_gr | started out on ttyUSB1 now its on ttyUSB3 |
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| 12:11.13 | JohnnyST | hi dose someone know if there is debian packages avalible somewhere for mod_clamav 0.21? http://software.othello.ch/mod_clamav/ |
| 12:11.27 | petemc | JohnnyST: volatile has more up to date clam packages |
| 12:11.42 | dentifrice | do I need an initrd to boot on software raid-5? |
| 12:11.52 | azeem | antgel: well, yeah. But "iyhtays" does not seem appropriate for testing upgrades. They should be warned perhaps, though. |
| 12:11.57 | dentifrice | with root fs on soft RAID-5 + LVM2 |
| 12:12.13 | bibe | dentifrice : that depends on how you compiled raid support in your kernel |
| 12:12.18 | azeem | chuck_gr: that seems to depend on the Palm device in question and is rather arcane |
| 12:12.27 | azeem | or strange, or non-detrministic, dunno |
| 12:12.35 | antgel | azeem: imo if you want to use testing you should be able to read the plethora of documentation on how to upgrade. take your point though. |
| 12:13.19 | nornagon | I'd have been quite happy if someone'd just done !tell nornagon about stable->testing :) |
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| 12:13.23 | dentifrice | bibe: ok - it's compiled in - but I was wondering if grub could boot a kernel that's on a LVM on top of RAID-5 / partition |
| 12:13.25 | azeem | yeah, so let's add pointers to that doku to the stable->testing factoid |
| 12:13.52 | cheal | azeem: nobody did that |
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| 12:13.58 | bibe | dentifrice : if your bzImage can mount your / partition, that's the question |
| 12:13.58 | antgel | nornagon: and i'd have been quite happy if you'd read the debian reference first, what with it's *entire chapter* on upgrading :) |
| 12:13.59 | dorto | does free-java-sdk support java 5? where can i find info regarding this package? |
| 12:14.00 | nornagon | ahh. Need to get 566MB of archives. skeery. |
| 12:14.07 | nornagon | antgel: XD |
| 12:14.11 | cheal | azeem: I fixed the factoid for etch when it became obvious that nobody would do it |
| 12:14.30 | nornagon | Maybe I'm just a masochist and enjoy coming in here and having people tell me to rtfm. |
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| 12:15.26 | Humanoid | kjjolllkkjkjkkjklll |
| 12:15.36 | walterbrunswick | Am I supposed to be getting weird blue glotches on my desktop in Debian? |
| 12:15.41 | antgel | nornagon: hey, there was no 'f' |
| 12:15.43 | Guerin | Humanoid: humanoids learned to type several generations ago. |
| 12:15.48 | nornagon | antgel: true. :) |
| 12:15.51 | Guerin | walterbrunswick: no. |
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| 12:15.55 | Humanoid | Sorry, that was my gf. |
| 12:16.00 | row | how stable is lvm2 these days, anywhere as stable as a basic raid setup to merge disks? |
| 12:16.03 | walterbrunswick | uh oh :\ |
| 12:16.05 | Guerin | Humanoid: is she humanoid too? |
| 12:16.06 | antgel | Humanoid: is she not humanoid? |
| 12:16.12 | Humanoid | She is human. |
| 12:16.20 | antgel | that explains it |
| 12:16.39 | walterbrunswick | Guerin: I mean like blue highlighted icons and text and whatnot. |
| 12:16.40 | Humanoid | uoyupo |
| 12:16.41 | walterbrunswick | No? |
| 12:16.59 | Guerin | walterbrunswick: i can't imagine what you mean |
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| 12:20.38 | amorphix | jm_ i carried out the tests with interesting results |
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| 12:21.55 | Humanoid | hackeron_: I just found out about blktool, it's supposed to be like hdparm but with more support for sata and scsi. |
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| 12:22.55 | antgel | am creating a new ldap directory on customer server. it's not internet-facing. is it okay to have a base dn of e.g. pepsi.local rather than pepsi.co.uk? |
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| 12:24.36 | Guerin | !depends moc |
| 12:24.45 | dpkg | moc: depends on libasound2 (>> 1.0.9), libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libcomerr2 (>= 1.33-3), libcurl3-gnutls (>= 7.15.0-1), libflac7, libgcrypt11, libgnutls12 (>= 1.2.5), libgpg-error0 (>= 1.1), libid3tag0 (>= 0.15.1b), libidn11 (>= 0.5.18), libjack0.100.0-0 (>= 0.100.0), libkrb53 (>= 1.3.2), libmad0 (>= 0.15.1b), libmpcdec3, libncurses5 (>= 5.4-5), libogg0 (>= 1.1.2), libsamplerate0, libsndfile1, libspeex1, libtagc0 (>= 1.4), libtasn1-2 (>= 0.2.13), ... |
| 12:24.55 | Guerin | what |
| 12:24.56 | Guerin | the |
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| 12:24.58 | Guerin | fuck |
| 12:25.30 | hackeron_ | Humanoid: oh, great, thanks |
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| 12:26.21 | nicodein | hi, I have a laptop which can be connected to various network, and sudo tells me it cannot get information with "gethostbyname". What's the best way to get rid of that please ? |
| 12:26.25 | amorphix2 | jm_ I carried out the ping tests with interesting results |
| 12:26.59 | amorphix2 | at max packet size, i got a 30%av packet loss when using ping -f to the server |
| 12:27.10 | amorphix2 | 1-2% packet loss sets in on my network at 8000 bytes packet size |
| 12:27.33 | amorphix2 | if i go to 7999 zero packet loss. threshold was slightly lower when i pinged from workstation to laptop, packet loss of 1-2% occurred at just over 7000 bytes packet size |
| 12:27.37 | Humanoid | hackeron_: I just read the man page. It doesn't seem to have the ability to read the serial number or to set a standby timeout. :( |
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| 12:28.29 | amorphix | i dunno how this compares to a full duplex negotiated connection of course |
| 12:28.32 | antgel | nicodein: a guess - fix your dns? |
| 12:28.33 | amorphix | anyone? |
| 12:28.37 | md5sum | maybe now someone knows how to enable babelfish and websearches on a blootbot? |
| 12:28.42 | nicodein | antgel: it works well with my dns |
| 12:28.47 | md5sum | (the blootbot package contains almost no doc) |
| 12:28.49 | nicodein | but when I'm going to school |
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| 12:28.54 | nicodein | it doesn't work anymore |
| 12:29.03 | nicodein | logical since it's not my dns |
| 12:29.07 | antgel | nicodein: do you have a network connection at school? |
| 12:29.11 | nicodein | yes |
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| 12:29.19 | nicodein | dhcp |
| 12:29.28 | antgel | nicodein: is it dhcp at home? |
| 12:29.32 | amorphix | i wanna change my nicks around |
| 12:29.32 | nicodein | yes |
| 12:29.37 | amorphix | *nics |
| 12:29.42 | amorphix | but im scared |
| 12:29.53 | antgel | nicodein: have you verified that school dhcp sets a sane resolv.conf? |
| 12:29.53 | hackeron_ | Humanoid: yes, noticed :'( |
| 12:30.02 | amorphix | does that make me a pussy? maybe. |
| 12:30.06 | nicodein | antgel: yes it does |
| 12:30.32 | antgel | nicodein: then google the exact error messsage. get school to fix dns server :) |
| 12:30.53 | Mithsir | Hi! My server stops accepting connections after a few days. this happens since I upgraded to sarge. any suggestion? |
| 12:30.55 | nicodein | aaaawwwww I am not a system administrator at school |
| 12:31.08 | antgel | amorphix: no packet loss here with 30kb ping. bog standard 100base-t |
| 12:31.13 | amorphix | wheres jm_ |
| 12:31.19 | amorphix | antgel: woah |
| 12:31.28 | sep | amorphix, the time you have spend on this troubleshooting would probably be more expencive then just replacing those old dodgu hub's with lowcost switches :) |
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| 12:31.39 | amorphix | antgel: thats quite a contrast to 2% packet loss @ 10base-t |
| 12:31.46 | amorphix | @ 7k |
| 12:31.51 | metal4o | anyone know icq for console? |
| 12:32.00 | amorphix | i need to sort this shit out |
| 12:32.10 | Guerin | metal4o: connect your irc client to im.bitlbee.org |
| 12:32.13 | amorphix | sep: you're right |
| 12:32.14 | antgel | amorphix: yeah. we just have bog standard netgear stuff and onboard nics. i'm not into all those "have to use intel / 3com" stories ;) |
| 12:32.24 | Guerin | metal4o: type 'help' and follow instructions |
| 12:32.27 | nicodein | antgel: "sudo - unable to lookup host via gethostbyname()" |
| 12:32.31 | amorphix | ive lost countless days work |
| 12:32.33 | nicodein | my hostname is thepiper |
| 12:32.35 | Guerin | nicodein: fix /etc/hosts |
| 12:32.53 | antgel | metal4o: apt-cache search icq |
| 12:33.02 | nicodein | Guerin : what should I write inside ? |
| 12:33.18 | nicodein | cuz I dunno what ip I'll get since it's dhcp |
| 12:33.19 | amorphix | fuk this |
| 12:33.25 | amorphix | im gonna buy some switches |
| 12:33.27 | antgel | nicodein: paste what you have (/topic) |
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| 12:33.39 | Guerin | nicodein: man hosts |
| 12:33.40 | Mithsir | Ok, I have it pinned down now: after i ifdown+ifup the interface, the connection is good again... how does this happen and how can it be fixed? |
| 12:33.57 | Guerin | nicodein: 127.0.0.1 yourhostname |
| 12:34.08 | Guerin | nicodein: that line should also have localhost |
| 12:34.49 | antgel | nicodein: and remove the localhost.localdomain ;) |
| 12:34.58 | nicodein | :) |
| 12:35.06 | nicodein | ok I'm gonna figure out |
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| 12:35.31 | amorphix | Mithsir whats up? |
| 12:35.31 | amorphix | oh i see |
| 12:35.31 | amorphix | server stops doing connections |
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| 12:35.42 | amorphix | sep: im gonna change my nics around to see if that cures it first |
| 12:35.49 | amorphix | one last try ;-) |
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| 12:35.52 | antgel | Guerin: should it not be 127.0.0.1 localhost <hostname> |
| 12:36.18 | Mithsir | amorphix, since the upgrade to sarge (i think), one of the network connections on my linux server breaks down after a few days. |
| 12:36.27 | amorphix | ouch |
| 12:36.31 | Mithsir | yep |
| 12:36.46 | amorphix | i just hate network probs |
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| 12:37.09 | amorphix | can be very hard to pin down |
| 12:37.14 | Mithsir | well, it works again if i do ifup+ifdown, but thats not a solution... |
| 12:37.27 | amorphix | yeah i have similiar problems |
| 12:37.38 | amorphix | i can cure it with same solution but as you say its not practical |
| 12:38.10 | amorphix | im not change my nfs to tcp instead of utp |
| 12:38.25 | amorphix | utp is not so reliable over hubs |
| 12:38.34 | petemc | amorphix: utp is cabling, itym udp |
| 12:38.41 | amorphix | -not |
| 12:38.50 | amorphix | sorry yes |
| 12:39.03 | amorphix | i meant udp, i get confused |
| 12:39.12 | petemc | not hard to see why |
| 12:39.13 | antgel | Mithsir: check logs |
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| 12:39.37 | amorphix | well im trying to sort out my network |
| 12:39.40 | Guerin | antgel: nope. See man hosts |
| 12:39.42 | Mithsir | antgel, nothing special, only apps complaining about the broken connection. |
| 12:39.43 | nestor- | hello |
| 12:39.52 | nestor- | I have an question |
| 12:39.55 | petemc | Mithsir: run tcpdump, see whats going onm |
| 12:40.22 | Guerin | antgel: nfs over ssh - ssh is tcp |
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| 12:40.36 | Guerin | amorphix: see my advice to antgel above |
| 12:40.37 | antgel | Guerin: indeed, and is the canonical_hostname for 127.0.0.1 interface localhost? |
| 12:40.54 | Mithsir | petemc, you mean, when the connection is down again? |
| 12:40.54 | Guerin | antgel: heh, point |
| 12:41.02 | nestor- | I'm running debian testing, a cuple of packs that I need are broken, how good the stable packs will work if I install them? |
| 12:41.05 | petemc | Mithsir: yeah, presuming you have local access |
| 12:41.15 | Guerin | nestor-: if they install, they should work fine. |
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| 12:41.39 | nestor- | I mean, stable packs installed on testing |
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| 12:41.46 | Guerin | nestor-: i know what you mean |
| 12:41.46 | amorphix | Guerin: ok |
| 12:41.55 | nestor- | ok thanks alot |
| 12:41.58 | antgel | Guerin: see recent discussion on d-d about localhost.localdomain. it broke stuff as it was inserted as the first entry. (have a large mug of coffee ready) |
| 12:42.00 | nestor- | bye all |
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| 12:42.10 | Mithsir | petemc, yep, I can try that in a few days, whan this happens again. |
| 12:42.11 | Guerin | antgel: hah, not getting into that |
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| 12:43.03 | Guerin | well, moc seems to be not bad |
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| 12:43.09 | Guerin | it's a bit bloaty, though |
| 12:43.19 | Guerin | i suppose it needs to be |
| 12:43.19 | amorphix | is it best to buy a good name switch, or will any do? |
| 12:43.30 | Guerin | amorphix: that's a stupid question and you know it. |
| 12:43.39 | amorphix | heh |
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| 12:44.26 | amorphix | is Netgear a good make? |
| 12:44.33 | Georgi | i have vsftpd installed (listening not on the default 21 port), when i try to install proftpd or pureftpd, it wants to uninstall the vsftpd, but i want to have both together installed, how can i do it? |
| 12:44.47 | jm_ | amorphix: anything should do for home use |
| 12:44.58 | amorphix | ok |
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| 12:45.22 | RomanK | hi all! |
| 12:45.33 | amorphix | maybe i could go wireless? |
| 12:45.47 | amorphix | since im replacing my two switches it might cost around the same |
| 12:45.50 | jm_ | wireless is slower |
| 12:45.54 | amorphix | oh |
| 12:45.59 | antgel | Georgi: you don't, within the constraints of the debian packaging system (afaik) |
| 12:46.05 | RomanK | i'm experiencing extreme performance-problems since the last update of xorg in sid. The mouse is _extremely_ laggy. I checked the xorg.conf against an older copy: debconf didn't change it a bit... |
| 12:46.10 | amorphix | thats no good then, i need it to go faster |
| 12:46.16 | RomanK | does anyone have any idea what might cause the trouble? |
| 12:46.57 | valdyn_ | Georgi: what would be the point of operating 2 ftp servers? |
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| 12:47.05 | antgel | !qotd143 |
| 12:47.05 | dpkg | i heard qotd143 is <antgel> wireless is for cocks |
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| 12:47.15 | RomanK | and furthermore, uptime reports a cpu-usage of ~100%... but top doesn't report any process causing this load |
| 12:47.17 | Georgi | antgel so, in other words, i have to install it from the sources.. |
| 12:47.30 | JJK | is linux-image also a kernel image like kernel-image? |
| 12:47.37 | Petaris | Can someone help me debug a k3b issue, I keep getting buffer overruns |
| 12:47.40 | antgel | Georgi: or just have one ftp server like most sane people |
| 12:47.40 | jm_ | JJK: read its description |
| 12:47.53 | JJK | jm_, it is the same description |
| 12:47.58 | jm_ | JJK: there you go |
| 12:47.58 | Georgi | valdyn_ well the proftpd is needed for the virtual users (auth against mysql db) and the vsftp is for the many unrestricted users |
| 12:48.07 | JJK | jm_, thanks |
| 12:48.28 | Georgi | afaik vsftp doesnt support mysql |
| 12:48.40 | antgel | Petaris: make sure dma is on. try another drive. |
| 12:48.50 | alp | my ip is assigned by dhcp. how can i manually change it? |
| 12:48.54 | jm_ | vsftpd supports PAM authentication |
| 12:49.01 | Guerin | Georgi: it doea PAM |
| 12:49.04 | Guerin | heh |
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| 12:49.18 | Guerin | so you can use a pam -> mysql thing |
| 12:49.18 | honschu | Where to find mplayer debian packages? |
| 12:49.24 | Georgi | thank you |
| 12:49.25 | Guerin | honschu: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 12:49.34 | Georgi | i will search google for more info |
| 12:49.56 | amorphix | ive found my ideal switch |
| 12:49.58 | Petaris | antgel: I have tried both my cdrw and my dvdrw, this only happened after I upgraded k3b to .12.4a |
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| 12:50.16 | amorphix | can you link two switches together like you can with hubs? |
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| 12:50.37 | sep | amorphix, yes |
| 12:50.37 | antgel | Petaris: hmm. does k3b use cdrecord as the back end? did that package upgrade? |
| 12:50.49 | amorphix | sep: would you need a special cross-over cable? |
| 12:50.58 | alp | my ip is assigned by dhcp from router. how can i manually change it, so that my ip becomes static |
| 12:51.07 | Petaris | antgel: yes it does, it is version 2.1.1a03 |
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| 12:51.13 | sep | amorphix, depends on the switch. often you have a precrossed uplink port, or a port with a button for crossover or regular |
| 12:51.15 | nkuttler | alp: edit the dhcpd config? |
| 12:51.23 | Guerin | alp: you probably can |
| 12:51.23 | Guerin | 't |
| 12:51.25 | valdyn_ | amorphix: you can directly link 2 switches with standard cables |
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| 12:51.33 | amorphix | sep: oh so its pretty much the same as hubs |
| 12:51.34 | Guerin | alp: it all depends on your network setup |
| 12:51.38 | sep | amorphix, also it's a #networking question OT in #debian |
| 12:51.39 | jm_ | alp: /msg dpkg interfaces ; man interfaces ; read stuff in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown - you need to read router's docs if you want DHCP server to give static IP-s |
| 12:51.41 | pureone | alp man 5 interfaces |
| 12:51.44 | amorphix | sorry |
| 12:51.44 | sep | amorphix, on the outside yes |
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| 12:51.54 | Petaris | antgel: that is the newest avaliable version of cdrecord |
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| 12:52.03 | amorphix | valdyn_: thanks |
| 12:52.14 | amorphix | i will get two switches then for delivery tomorrow |
| 12:52.16 | sep | amorphix, i dont care, but 1 or 2 of the 555 others might :) |
| 12:52.24 | amorphix | and then these hubs will be someone elses problem |
| 12:52.50 | amorphix | i dont need to replace my laptop then it seems |
| 12:53.10 | sep | amorphix, also some switches have auto MDI/MDIX automaticaly detects if it needs crossover or not. it's a pain and works in 6 out of 10 times (imhe) |
| 12:53.14 | alp | isn't there a way without dhcp to connect to internet? |
| 12:53.21 | amorphix | im glad i didnt go and waste time selling it and buying another when the problem was network hubs |
| 12:53.30 | amorphix | oh |
| 12:53.37 | amorphix | i better check for that |
| 12:53.45 | pureone | alp yes edit /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 12:53.54 | alp | ok thanks a lot |
| 12:54.25 | amorphix | so, some switches need cross over cables while others dont and can use a straight thru cable? |
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| 12:54.41 | amorphix | it should have a switch on the switch to tell it eh |
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| 12:54.53 | amorphix | Guerin: yeah have beer?? |
| 12:54.58 | amorphix | *you |
| 12:55.00 | Guerin | amorphix: beercicles |
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| 12:55.08 | amorphix | whats that |
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| 12:55.36 | md5sum | yum |
| 12:55.43 | Guerin | beer what got left in the freezer too long |
| 12:55.48 | Guerin | still pourable |
| 12:55.49 | amorphix | heh |
| 12:55.51 | Guerin | but shlushy |
| 12:55.56 | amorphix | woah |
| 12:56.27 | amorphix | how old your freezer must be |
| 12:56.30 | amorphix | *cold |
| 12:56.37 | cahoot | Guerin: pourable ok - but - drinkable? |
| 12:56.38 | Guerin | it's pretty damn cold |
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| 12:56.44 | jim | and old |
| 12:56.50 | Guerin | we still have it turned all the way up to "it's fucking summer out here" |
| 12:56.56 | Guerin | cahoot: hell yeah |
| 12:57.00 | TNKS | hi all. Here's a quick post of my /etc/apt/preferences file: http://pastebin.ca/25955 I installed a sid package of Thunderbird using "-t unstable". I previously thought that with my /etc/apt/preferences that Thunderbird wouldn't upgrade because unstable was pinned to 400. This doesn't seem to be the case. Can someone help me understand where I'm mistaken? |
| 12:57.03 | amorphix | hehe |
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| 12:57.42 | jim | see... now THAT is how to ask a question |
| 12:58.10 | jm_ | you don't have to tell us about it ... |
| 12:58.30 | walterbrunswick | this is unacceptable! |
| 12:58.36 | walterbrunswick | what the efnet is wrong with Debian!?!? |
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| 12:58.49 | Guerin | heh |
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| 12:58.55 | jim | walterbrunswick: I'm just guessing here... operator error? |
| 12:58.58 | X2 | hi, guys |
| 12:59.00 | Guerin | walterbrunswick: rtfm n00b |
| 12:59.08 | Garp | TNKS: I dont know enought to answer you, sorry. |
| 12:59.08 | walterbrunswick | no, something is horribly wrong with Gnome |
| 12:59.13 | Guerin | </stereotype> |
| 12:59.29 | Guerin | walterbrunswick: goes without saying |
| 12:59.38 | TNKS | Garp, thanks for giving it a shot. |
| 12:59.38 | jim | walterbrunswick: OK, I see... wait, no I don't (why do you think that is?) |
| 12:59.42 | walterbrunswick | how can I fix the prob? |
| 12:59.48 | walterbrunswick | well |
| 13:00.03 | jim | walterbrunswick: /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 13:00.07 | jim | walterbrunswick: /msg dpkg sicco |
| 13:00.08 | X2 | apt-get build-dep mplayer |
| 13:00.08 | X2 | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 13:00.08 | X2 | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 13:00.08 | X2 | Note, selecting libpng12-dev instead of libpng-dev |
| 13:00.08 | X2 | E: Build-Depends dependency for mplayer cannot be satisfied because the package libaa1-dev cannot be found |
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| 13:00.39 | X2 | sorry :( |
| 13:00.44 | valdyn_ | X2: why build it? |
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| 13:00.46 | walterbrunswick | ok, when I move the mouse cursor over an object, it turns a light blue colour |
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| 13:00.53 | walterbrunswick | understand? |
| 13:00.55 | X2 | apt-cache search libaa1-dev - returns no answer |
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| 13:01.00 | Garp | TNKS: shouldnt you put a default pin priority to stable (or testing) lower than 400, if you want this ? |
| 13:01.00 | jim | not really |
| 13:01.06 | Guerin | !wayc X2 |
| 13:01.09 | dpkg | X2: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 13:01.14 | jim | what's wrong with that? |
| 13:01.24 | walterbrunswick | it's wrong, period. |
| 13:01.30 | walterbrunswick | ...shouldn't be happening |
| 13:01.31 | Guerin | X2: build-deps for mplayer have always been tricksy |
| 13:01.32 | valdyn_ | walterbrunswick: probably you want to 'apt-get remove crystalcursors' |
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| 13:01.54 | X2 | dpkg : because i want it compiled for 686; currenly builds are for 386, 586, k6 |
| 13:01.54 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, X2 |
| 13:02.08 | Garp | valdyn_: shouldnt aptitude had replaced apt-get as the default tool ? (just asking) |
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| 13:02.38 | jim | walterbrunswick: that's a bit absolutist of you... |
| 13:02.52 | valdyn_ | Garp: whatever does the job.. in this case 'dpkg --remove crystalcursors' would do just the same.. |
| 13:02.56 | walterbrunswick | what? |
| 13:03.03 | laughin-man | Hi there. i was wondering when patching a kernel with some patch, How can I check that this patch was succesfully deployed? |
| 13:03.09 | Garp | valdyn_: yes, agree. |
| 13:03.14 | TNKS | Garp, I'll look into it. |
| 13:03.17 | walterbrunswick | jim: were you being sarcastic? |
| 13:03.18 | jm_ | patch tells you that |
| 13:03.19 | amorphix | is it possible to use a wireless switch and have it wired for a 100mb connection over the wired part? |
| 13:03.23 | jim | <walterbrunswick> it's wrong, period. |
| 13:03.27 | jim | absolutist |
| 13:03.36 | walterbrunswick | oh |
| 13:03.36 | jim | not in the slightest |
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| 13:03.53 | walterbrunswick | it certainly doesn't look right :/ |
| 13:03.55 | amorphix | I want the best of both worlds! |
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| 13:04.27 | jim | that's an absolutist point of view... looks are subjective |
| 13:04.28 | walterbrunswick | I'm going to be back later. Thanks for the help. |
| 13:04.34 | walterbrunswick | indeed |
| 13:04.54 | Guerin | X2: ok. What source package are you using? |
| 13:05.16 | laughin-man | Hmm.. someday I have patched a kernel 2.4.26 with an openmosix 2.4.27. But the patch util didn't show any error(The openmosix docs say to only patch a kernel with the same patch number). So how can I check patching a kernel? |
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| 13:05.22 | antgel | X2: are the other builds not providing acceptable performance? |
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| 13:05.39 | Guerin | laughin-man: if it patches, it should compile |
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| 13:05.47 | Guerin | laughin-man: just try it. |
| 13:05.47 | amorphix | is it possible to have a wired wireless switch that can do 100mb |
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| 13:05.56 | Garp | TNKS: I would read: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html but also look if backports are not enough for you |
| 13:06.14 | laughin-man | Guerin: yes it would compile and all but would it work properly? |
| 13:06.15 | antgel | amorphix: why not look at hardware vendors websites? |
| 13:06.25 | antgel | laughin-man: how can we say? |
| 13:06.29 | jm_ | laughin-man: no tool will tell you that |
| 13:06.31 | amorphix | antgel: I wanna save time |
| 13:06.36 | TNKS | Garp, thanks. Actually, I was hoping you'd recommend a link. |
| 13:06.41 | Guerin | laughin-man: no way of knowing. |
| 13:06.44 | laughin-man | I see. |
| 13:06.46 | stew | laughin-man: if the patch applies witout error, it will almost certainly work |
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| 13:07.02 | antgel | amorphix: what about our time? |
| 13:07.05 | stew | laughin-man: patch --dry-run will tell you if its going to apply cleanly without having to actually apply it |
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| 13:07.20 | amorphix | antgel: how long does it take to take one to type: yes or no |
| 13:07.41 | antgel | amorphix: longer than it needs to |
| 13:07.42 | laughin-man | soka. Well Thanks. :) |
| 13:07.46 | stew | amorphix: what is a wired wireless switch? |
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| 13:07.57 | amorphix | antgel: if you're a miserable sod, maybe |
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| 13:08.07 | Garp | TNKS: I hope it will be good enough for you, but seing what you aready did, I'm sure it will :) |
| 13:08.12 | valdyn_ | amorphix: there is plenty 100mbit switches with built in wireless AP |
| 13:08.20 | abrotman | there are ? |
| 13:08.20 | cahoot | amorphix: it's a matter of keeping up double standards |
| 13:08.21 | amorphix | ok |
| 13:08.49 | amorphix | thats all i wanted to know really, do these wireless switches allow you to use the wired 100mb connections as well |
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| 13:08.53 | Garp | amorphix: sisnt there (or wasnt) a music band called "amorphis" ? |
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| 13:09.09 | amorphix | Garp: i believe so yes, in America I think |
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| 13:09.55 | Garp | amorphix : north europe I would say. Finland i think (where linux was born <- back in topic ;) |
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| 13:10.03 | amorphix | :-) |
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| 13:10.20 | amorphix | maybe im confusing it with another band |
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| 13:10.47 | Garp | amorphix : they play(ed) melodic death metal (if that's possible) ;) |
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| 13:10.50 | laughin-man | Ah one more thing. Is there a program that can work like a timer. Timer. Like o say execute a command every 2 hours to check some file or some mount. |
| 13:10.54 | amorphix | wireless switches have security implications eh |
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| 13:11.12 | jm_ | laughin-man: man watch |
| 13:11.17 | stew | laughin-man: man cron |
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| 13:11.21 | lexande | what's an open source package similar to mathematica? |
| 13:11.22 | amorphix | this one I'm looking at has a range of up to 300 meters |
| 13:11.23 | laughin-man | Great! |
| 13:11.41 | Garp | lexande: debian-science archives may say something. |
| 13:11.43 | CVirus_Cafe | is debian repos. bigger than gentoo ? |
| 13:11.44 | amorphix | Garp: hehe |
| 13:11.47 | Guerin | X2: i bet you're using testing or stable |
| 13:11.55 | amorphix | everyone copied my name eh |
| 13:12.00 | Guerin | X2: oops ... stable |
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| 13:12.06 | Garp | lexande: and if you're a scientist I invite you to join the list. |
| 13:12.08 | Guerin | X2: which doesn't include libaa1-dev |
| 13:12.09 | amorphix | Morphix was my nickname and then Morphix Linux came along |
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| 13:12.29 | Guerin | CVirus_Cafe: how big are gentoo's repos? |
| 13:12.45 | stew | CVirus_Cafe: please give your answer in cubic meters |
| 13:13.01 | CVirus_Cafe | Guerin: no idea .. but I've found some packages on them that i didnt find in debian repos. |
| 13:13.12 | Garp | (i remember i came for a question but cant remember what...) |
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| 13:13.15 | Guerin | CVirus_Cafe: the answer is yes, naturally, because debian distributes both source and binary packages in three different branches |
| 13:13.15 | stew | CVirus_Cafe: give us an example, there might be a reason why |
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| 13:13.26 | Guerin | CVirus_Cafe: that's because gentoo doesn't care about freedom |
| 13:13.35 | abrotman | Guerin: four currently |
| 13:13.49 | Guerin | ie: doesn't have any meaningful free software policy |
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| 13:14.13 | CVirus_Cafe | gahan: Guerin: for example: transset, xcompmgr, cedega, point2play |
| 13:14.24 | nvz_ | I wonder if I update my password more often like I should if it would stop me from accidentally typing expired passwords by habbit :P |
| 13:14.52 | abrotman | CVirus_Cafe: if you talk to the xorg maintainer .. apparently there's a good reason transset and xcompmgr aren't done .. and cedega isn't free (nfc was point2play is) |
| 13:14.54 | Guerin | CVirus_Cafe: cedega isn't free software. transset and xcompmgr have been deemed too shit for inclusion, point2play i have never heard of |
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| 13:15.18 | nvz_ | I've only been using this password for about 2 weeks IIRC whenever it was that my sloppy focus model caused me to type my user password into IRC |
| 13:15.32 | CVirus_Cafe | Guerin: if they arent free ... how come gentoo has them ? |
| 13:15.41 | CVirus_Cafe | Guerin: and whats deemed ? |
| 13:15.42 | abrotman | because gentoo doesn't care .. we covered this |
| 13:15.44 | cahoot | nvz_: so what's your current pw? |
| 13:15.48 | nvz_ | heh |
| 13:15.48 | stew | nvz_: sloppy focus didn't make you do anything, YOU did it yourself :P |
| 13:16.04 | antgel | !tell CVirus_Cafe about free |
| 13:16.09 | stew | CVirus_Cafe: /msg dpkg dfsg |
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| 13:16.10 | abrotman | !dfsg |
| 13:16.10 | dpkg | [dfsg] the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 13:16.17 | Guerin | CVirus_Cafe: because gentoo doesn't have any meaningful free software policy - they distribute whatever they have a vague right todistribute, regardless of other licensing issues |
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| 13:16.51 | nvz_ | stew: I have this window enter-only focus. and I have more than one monitor I meant to be typing in the other monitor but I accidentally bumped the mouse onto this screen sometime before I pressed enter |
| 13:16.55 | Guerin | CVirus_Cafe: and deemed means judged. transset and xcompmgr are, in the opinion of the debian X team, not of a high enough standard for inclusion in debian. |
| 13:17.01 | abrotman | !dict deem |
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| 13:17.02 | dpkg | Dictionary 'deem' (2 of 7): . Deem \Deem\, n. Opinion; judgment. [Obs.] --Shak. ;; Deem \Deem\, v. i. 1. To be of opinion; to think; to estimate; to opine; to suppose.. |
| 13:17.11 | Guerin | at least that's what gravity said when I last asked him about it |
| 13:17.20 | Guerin | and it hasn't been included since then |
| 13:17.25 | CVirus_Cafe | Guerin: are there other unofficial repos. for debian that contain those software i mentioned ? |
| 13:17.27 | abrotman | they're buggy/slow .. but that hasn't stopped gentoo before :) |
| 13:17.28 | jm_ | there are unofficial packages though |
| 13:17.37 | abrotman | CVirus_Cafe: apt-get.org may have them |
| 13:17.38 | Guerin | CVirus_Cafe: probably. |
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| 13:17.53 | Guerin | CVirus_Cafe: you could grab source from ubuntu and build it trivially on debian |
| 13:18.02 | abrotman | and get no support here :) |
| 13:18.05 | Guerin | CVirus_Cafe: and cedega's source is available by cvs |
| 13:18.10 | nvz_ | stew: actually it was apperently before I started typing all together because I typed my whole password here. which only takes me a second or so and I carelessly hit enter, because it doesnt echo the chars on the screen anyhow so I didnt notice until after it was too late what I had done |
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| 13:18.16 | CVirus_Cafe | Guerin: i want a distro that handles everything for me |
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| 13:18.38 | antgel | CVirus_Cafe: that doesn't really make sense |
| 13:18.39 | Guerin | CVirus_Cafe: you'd better make one yourself, then. |
| 13:18.46 | Guerin | CVirus_Cafe: I want a pony. |
| 13:18.54 | CVirus_Cafe | heh |
| 13:18.55 | abrotman | i want eliza dushku |
| 13:18.57 | Xteven | hello world, who can help me with a openssh+heimdal problem ? |
| 13:18.59 | stew | nvz_: yeah i've done the same. not recently cuz these days i'm always on a laptop with no mouse to bump into, and only one screen, and mostly fullscreen windows |
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| 13:19.18 | nvz | o_O |
| 13:19.29 | nvz | is services hacked again? |
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| 13:20.09 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 13:20.10 | pureone | nvz what happen last time? |
| 13:20.16 | nvz | when I did /nick nvz it said "--NickServ(NickServ@services.)- If this is your nickname, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password>" |
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| 13:20.28 | abrotman | nvz: that's normal |
| 13:20.31 | nvz | then I typed /msg nickserv identifty foo |
| 13:20.32 | Garp | problem: upgrading my debian it found that mysql had to be upgraded. Process started, but is now hang at "Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld" and then nothing... Is that known? (I'm on ppc) |
| 13:20.46 | nvz | and it said "-NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Unknown command [identifty]" |
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| 13:20.57 | antgel | Garp: checked the bts? mysql is rampant lately |
| 13:20.59 | Xteven | [identifty] |
| 13:21.02 | Xteven | -t |
| 13:21.05 | abrotman | nvz: it worked for me when i logged in .. |
| 13:21.13 | nvz | hmm I guess I did make a typo |
| 13:21.14 | jm_ | heh read it more carefully |
| 13:21.19 | abrotman | nvz: damn you and your yinzer keyboard layout |
| 13:21.21 | Guerin | mmmm, rachmaninov and beercicles |
| 13:24.36 | antgel | nvz: sloppy focus inserted a 't' |
| 13:24.36 | nvz | heh |
| 13:24.36 | antgel | coheed and cambria and no lunch |
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| 13:24.37 | CosmoDad | is there a way to define groups new users should be part of by default? |
| 13:24.37 | nvz | this shouldn't have happened I dont know how many times I've told irssi to auto identify me |
| 13:24.37 | CVirus_Cafe | what the ?? is Debian a kernel 2.4.x distro ?? |
| 13:24.37 | Garp | antgel: dont undertsand "bts" had a look at the processes running, there is a mysqld --boostrap ... and a logger -p daemon.err that lookis to be related to that part of the install. |
| 13:24.37 | jm_ | CosmoDad: man adduser |
| 13:24.37 | antgel | !tell garp about bts |
| 13:24.37 | nvz | my alternate nick is enveezee not nvz_ |
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| 13:24.37 | lucaslira | #grupos |
| 13:24.37 | nvz | I dont know why the fuck it refuses to respect that all the time |
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| 13:24.37 | CosmoDad | jm_: thx |
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| 13:24.38 | Guerin | CVirus_Cafe: no. |
| 13:24.38 | lucaslira | j/#grupos |
| 13:24.38 | lucaslira | j/grupos |
| 13:24.38 | antgel | !tell CVirus_Cafe about grounding |
| 13:24.38 | Garp | antgel: ok:) did know the bug tracking system, of course, but not under this name ;) |
| 13:24.38 | CVirus_Cafe | Guerin: i cant find nvidia-kernel-2.6 in the official repos. |
| 13:24.38 | nvz | if I time out I should come back as nvz, and if that user is still floating around it should use enveezee and identify |
| 13:24.38 | lucaslira | Como entra em outro canal? |
| 13:24.38 | Guerin | lucaslira: /j #grupos |
| 13:24.38 | lucaslira | Thanks |
| 13:24.38 | nvz | for some reason it uses nvz_ instead most of the time |
| 13:24.38 | Guerin | CVirus_Cafe: needs to be built from source - there are debian tools to take care of this, it's trivial. |
| 13:24.38 | abrotman | CVirus_Cafe: guses what nVidia isn't free either ... |
| 13:24.38 | nvz | its as though it has some bad old habbit it can't kick |
| 13:24.38 | abrotman | guess |
| 13:24.39 | jm_ | "source" :) |
| 13:24.39 | antgel | CVirus_Cafe: the nv driver will do you unless you need 3d acceleration |
| 13:24.39 | Guerin | jm_: the interface, yeah. |
| 13:24.42 | Garp | (I have a look) |
| 13:24.44 | stew | nvz: you aren't even on freenode, we're all just bots created to simulate the freenode environment |
| 13:24.47 | Guerin | but it is stupid |
| 13:24.59 | abrotman | if your entire life revolves around non-free, buggy stuff .. wouldn't it be easier to use windows? :) |
| 13:25.02 | nvz | stew: I fucking knew it |
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| 13:25.08 | Guerin | nvidia has always gotten away with being stupid because ATI are even stupider |
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| 13:25.22 | nvz | stew: I've had that paranoia in the back of my mind for years, I thought it was the drugs. |
| 13:25.30 | Guerin | nvz: no, it's the lack. |
| 13:25.35 | nvz | seriously |
| 13:25.35 | cheal | !nvidiasmite nvidia |
| 13:25.47 | cheal | MUAHAHA |
| 13:26.00 | cheal | I really didn't expect that factod to exist |
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| 13:26.24 | nvz | that will all change next friday. I will be fucking wasted and in good company I hope |
| 13:26.26 | cheal | factinfo CMD: nvidiasmite (.*?) |
| 13:26.29 | cheal | !factinfo CMD: nvidiasmite (.*?) |
| 13:26.29 | dpkg | CMD: nvidiasmite (.*?) -- created by directhex <~jms@shields.gotadsl.co.uk> at Wed Mar 16 00:28:33 2005 (217 days). |
| 13:26.35 | Guerin | heh |
| 13:26.38 | cheal | hahaha |
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| 13:26.39 | nvz | may get wasted this weekend just for a warmup |
| 13:26.40 | Guerin | that makes sense |
| 13:26.47 | Guerin | hex is a gamerd00d |
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| 13:27.01 | CVirus_Cafe | I guess I'll go for gentoo ... most of the packages i need arent on debian official repos. |
| 13:27.02 | cheal | good old directhex |
| 13:27.03 | fireba11 | hope my hardware order gets here tomorrow .. 3 boxes, couple TFTs ... need that stuff :-) |
| 13:27.19 | Guerin | CVirus_Cafe: good luck with that. |
| 13:27.27 | abrotman | CVirus_Cafe: if that's what drives you .. go for it |
| 13:27.36 | si|vercat | whats a good front-end for multimedia-management..? |
| 13:27.40 | antgel | CVirus_Cafe: i doubt that _most_ aren't in debian |
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| 13:27.53 | Guerin | si|vercat: /bin/sh |
| 13:27.54 | nvz | si|vercat: whats multimedia-management? |
| 13:27.56 | antgel | !tell silvercat about vague |
| 13:27.57 | abrotman | antgel: he's using every non-free piece of crap in existence |
| 13:28.12 | Guerin | si|vercat: i also use mv, cp, mkdir and rename quite a lot |
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| 13:28.24 | CosmoDad | jm_: I can't see an option to put users in multiple groups automatically which is what I seek.. |
| 13:28.25 | antgel | abrotman: yeah but what he needs and what he thinks he needs are different |
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| 13:28.26 | Guerin | abrotman: not true ... he hasn't mentioned opera |
| 13:28.27 | lucaslira | exit |
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| 13:28.35 | stew | hah |
| 13:28.36 | si|vercat | heheh.. well, sorta like what microsoft released the other day, multimedia center.. where you can access your files for playback :P |
| 13:28.43 | CVirus_Cafe | antgel: as I already said .. xcompmgr, transset, cedega, point2play and others |
| 13:28.50 | abrotman | Guerin: that's beer free .. iirc .. cedega isn't even that |
| 13:28.58 | CVirus_Cafe | antgel: gentoo has them ... I dont care weather they are free or not .. but they have them |
| 13:28.59 | abrotman | and still wtf is point2play ? |
| 13:29.04 | Guerin | abrotman: cedega cvs is SOURCE free |
| 13:29.09 | jm_ | CosmoDad: so you missed the paragraph that talks about /usr/local/sbin/adduser.local? |
| 13:29.12 | abrotman | CVirus_Cafe: then stop whining and go use gentoo |
| 13:29.12 | N0S3 | they it is brilliant |
| 13:29.16 | Guerin | abrotman: and you'd better believe that that's what gentoo are distributing |
| 13:29.18 | cheal | nice amount of RC bugs opened today :S |
| 13:29.22 | abrotman | Guerin: yay ? :) |
| 13:29.28 | jm_ | CosmoDad: otherwise feel free to use useradd that can do this |
| 13:29.32 | nvz | maybe its like Clicknplay or whatever. that old DDI |
| 13:29.37 | stew | si|vercat: mythtv? |
| 13:29.43 | CosmoDad | jm_: I did miss it, sorry |
| 13:29.53 | CVirus_Cafe | dammit ... I've changed my mind ... I'll go for debian |
| 13:30.06 | Thor- | anyone have a tip on a irc channel for smtp/tcp problems? |
| 13:30.09 | abrotman | we noticed |
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| 13:30.16 | abrotman | Thor-: vague ? |
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| 13:31.13 | Guerin | CVirus_Cafe: do both |
| 13:31.30 | Guerin | CVirus_Cafe: debian only takes an hour to install and get up and runnin, if you have fast internet |
| 13:31.40 | Guerin | CVirus_Cafe: gentoo takes a few days |
| 13:31.44 | stew | Thor-: what is the problem you are having? |
| 13:31.57 | nvz | oh well I am going to bed. that way I will wake up at a decent time so I can actually get hold of some people this evening instead of playing phonetag for another week or two |
| 13:32.13 | Eclipser | how should I build shfs sources? |
| 13:32.19 | Guerin | CVirus_Cafe: if you're confident building stuff from source, you'll have no trouble getting all the non-free shoteware you need from outside debian; and if you're not, you have no business trying to run gentoo |
| 13:32.22 | Eclipser | (the kernel module) |
| 13:32.32 | Guerin | Eclipser: man make-kpkg |
| 13:32.37 | Eclipser | ah that's it |
| 13:32.41 | CVirus_Cafe | Guerin: are there iso's for debian testing ? |
| 13:32.41 | Guerin | Eclipser: look at PATCH_THE_KERNEL |
| 13:32.44 | stew | Eclipser: m-a a-i shfs |
| 13:32.45 | antgel | Guerin: to be fair, gentoo takes car of the pain of building from source |
| 13:32.47 | Eclipser | I tried looking for kpkg-something |
| 13:32.55 | stew | Eclipser: you don't need to rebuild your kernel |
| 13:32.59 | Eclipser | I know! |
| 13:33.01 | antgel | CVirus_Cafe: if you're new, please run stable |
| 13:33.02 | Eclipser | >.>; |
| 13:33.03 | Guerin | CVirus_Cafe: no, you get the choice of which to install when you boot. |
| 13:33.15 | Guerin | antgel: that's not going to fly with this one. |
| 13:33.16 | Garp | CVirus_Cafe : do you have network ? |
| 13:33.23 | CVirus_Cafe | Garp: yes i do |
| 13:33.33 | Guerin | antgel: have you ever run gentoo for any length of time? |
| 13:33.35 | Garp | CVirus_Cafe: then burning cds is only a waste of time |
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| 13:33.48 | antgel | Guerin: perish the thought :) |
| 13:33.48 | Guerin | antgel: things break. you need to know how to fix them. |
| 13:33.53 | Guerin | antgel: thought so. |
| 13:34.00 | antgel | Guerin: aiui they have binary packages as well |
| 13:34.03 | Garp | CVirus_Cafe: just create a simple boot cd (less than 100Mo) and then use the net |
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| 13:34.10 | CVirus_Cafe | Garp: netinstall / |
| 13:34.11 | CVirus_Cafe | ? |
| 13:34.14 | Guerin | antgel: ... yeah, because lots of people use THEM. |
| 13:34.19 | Guerin | !tell CVirus_Cafe about install debian |
| 13:34.38 | antgel | Guerin: but they are there, so there is no need to build anything from source when using gentoo (aiui) |
| 13:34.49 | Guerin | antgel: keep telling yourself that. |
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| 13:35.03 | antgel | Guerin: no need. don't care that much. just interested |
| 13:35.12 | Eclipser | arf |
| 13:35.18 | Eclipser | too much to read, too little time |
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| 13:36.14 | nvz | Eclipser: date --set="-4 hours" |
| 13:36.17 | Garp | CVirus_Cafe: yes, read the doc. But that's pretty basic: find the iso installer image you need (or the USB one if you can, I belive there is one) and boot on it. At some point the installer will suggest you a package mirror and you agree, and that's it. |
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| 13:36.22 | stew | !cmd: m-a (.*?) (.*?) is ($1,$2): <reply> $1: to compile and install $2 for your running kernel: apt-get install build-essential module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uanme -r) && m-a prepare && m-a a-i $2 && modprobe $2 ; also ask me about <m-a> |
| 13:36.24 | joop | hello |
| 13:36.28 | sandman | I think I find that helping out @ #debian makes time fly @ work |
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| 13:36.34 | stew | hrm |
| 13:36.36 | telenieko | Hi ppl. Would somebody give me a clue on connecting with putty to a debian box and UTF8? I have a small issue here :) |
| 13:36.54 | amorphix | is it important to check a wireless switch will work with Linux or doesnt it matter as long as it supports the standard networking protocol |
| 13:37.00 | Eclipser | nvz, ha ha ha |
| 13:37.03 | nvz | sandman: must be nice. I dont have internet. so I went around today to see how many of the pcs were running pirated commercial software |
| 13:37.11 | nvz | just to pass the time |
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| 13:37.30 | Guerin | nvz: did you wear your Church of Emacs halo? |
| 13:37.41 | Guerin | telenieko: what's the issue? |
| 13:37.50 | CVirus_Cafe | arent there official netinstall iso for the testing release ? |
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| 13:38.09 | nvz | they probably have around 30pcs I would guess. I only checked like 10. and they had one Win98 Lisc, two Win2k Pro lisc and one WinXP lisc among them |
| 13:38.12 | m4lu7 | Hrmm. Anyone use uml? (no, not the modeling language) |
| 13:38.17 | TNKS | okay. I read the man page for apt_preferences again (I actually didn't know what to man before). And I fixed something. Still, though, I'm uncertain about one point. In general, I want to set the unstable distro below 100 so that it doesn't override installed packages. However for one package, linux-source-*, I'd like to stay up-to-date with unstable. Does "version" pinning take precedence to "release" pinning? Or do I have to put en |
| 13:38.17 | TNKS | tries in the right order? |
| 13:38.31 | amorphix | nvz: did you report them to ms? |
| 13:38.31 | stew | CVirus_Cafe: /msg dpkg testing daily |
| 13:38.33 | Guerin | stew: when creating one, use $1 and $2 in place of the (.*?) (.*?) |
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| 13:38.42 | telenieko | Guerin I connect with putty to a debian box, set UTF-8 as the character set on putty. Then If I run something like 'mc' the line-drawing is weird (letters) but if I do 'screen -U' and then 'mc' inside screen everything is ok ;\\\ |
| 13:38.45 | nvz | not to mention their samba server had copies of Win98, 98SE, Win2k, Photoshop 6, Office2k, OfficeXP..etc |
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| 13:38.53 | stew | !m-a me ipw2200 |
| 13:38.53 | Guerin | telenieko: yeah, I get that too |
| 13:38.56 | dpkg | stew: to compile and install ipw2200 for your running kernel: apt-get install build-essential module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uanme -r) && m-a prepare && m-a a-i ipw2200 && modprobe ipw2200 ; also ask me about <m-a> |
| 13:38.59 | Xteven | is anyone using ssh-krb5 ? |
| 13:39.03 | nvz | amorphix: I work for them its not in my interest to report them |
| 13:39.05 | Guerin | telenieko: many curses apps are horribly broken |
| 13:39.06 | Garp | nvz: do you work for the BSA ? |
| 13:39.09 | nvz | amorphix: its ammusing though |
| 13:39.15 | amorphix | oh i see |
| 13:39.22 | md5sum | !anyone use ssh-krb5 |
| 13:39.23 | dpkg | No, no one uses ssh-krb5, not even the people who use it. |
| 13:39.31 | telenieko | Guerin but why does it work inside a screen -U but not outside it? that's the strange thing :) |
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| 13:39.40 | stew | Guerin: if i use $1 for (.*?) do i still need the ($1): in the definition? |
| 13:39.59 | nvz | amorphix: maybe if they fire me, or if I decide I feel like converting them to linux, I could use that as a reason to pay me to convert |
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| 13:40.14 | Guerin | stew: i'm not sure - i've had some barf at me for not including it, and some work fine |
| 13:40.28 | Xteven | md5sum : is this some implicit sign that I need to reformulate my question ? if so, please be more clear |
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| 13:40.53 | md5sum | Xteven: reformulate your question, please. |
| 13:41.02 | Xteven | ok |
| 13:41.03 | amorphix | Origo, is this a good make for wireless router |
| 13:41.08 | nvz | they had used linux on a server at some point. I found fstab, smb.conf, and some other configs and shell scripts backed up on one of the samba servers but I probed around and there were definatly not any linux boxes there |
| 13:41.10 | amorphix | nvz: hehe |
| 13:41.14 | Guerin | telenieko: hrm, i use screen with utf-8 on in screenrc, and still munted |
| 13:41.34 | amorphix | nvz: if they dont pay you enough when you leave, ms will pay you $200 per box reward |
| 13:41.49 | Xteven | is anyone using ssh in a kerberos environment, using kinit to get a ticket and then login to a host without password but by using the ticket ? |
| 13:41.50 | nvz | they are mostly all Win2k Pro. some are Win98 or WinXP though |
| 13:41.57 | nvz | amorphix: really? |
| 13:42.03 | nvz | amorphix: interesting :P |
| 13:42.05 | amorphix | hehe |
| 13:42.20 | Garp | nvz: where is that? A cybercafe ? |
| 13:42.31 | nvz | amorphix: I wonder how much adobe would offer to know that they are stealing their software too. photoshop isnt cheap |
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| 13:42.52 | amorphix | microsoft was awarded over $1 billion us dollars in fines and compensations |
| 13:42.53 | nvz | Garp: nope we are a GM supplier |
| 13:43.10 | amorphix | true |
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| 13:43.27 | Guerin | Xteven: don't ask who's using what. Chances are nobody's in exactly the same boat as you. State what you're having trouble with, and what you think might be behind it. |
| 13:43.43 | md5sum | boycott realnetworks!!! |
| 13:43.44 | md5sum | lol |
| 13:43.44 | Garp | nvz: and you're sure they dont have the licence ? |
| 13:43.48 | md5sum | !tell me about lol |
| 13:44.01 | Guerin | md5sum: better yet, use mplayer to play their videos |
| 13:44.27 | amorphix | microsoft says it gives all of its awards out in rewards or to charities |
| 13:44.42 | nvz | Garp: it doesnt matter if they have a lisc or not, I am sure they have at least one. the fact is the pcs say Win98 on them and they are running Win2k or such and in my computer the OEM numbers match on many of the boxes. each serial generates a unique number even on a site lisc |
| 13:44.44 | Guerin | haha |
| 13:44.54 | CodeWarrior_ | hello folks, there is anybody that have bootsplash running ok to help me. I have installed bootsplash ok, but when the debian boots up it shows me the graphical screen and soon he turns automatically to verbose mode, in the shutdown operation the graphical screen is showed until the end of the shutdown process. Any help ? |
| 13:44.56 | telenieko | Guerin do you have LC_CTYPE='en_EN.UTF-8' ? |
| 13:45.03 | amorphix | "rat on a rat" |
| 13:45.09 | Garp | amorphix : arent they paying them from the US where gift to charity are almost 1 to 1 tax deductibles ? |
| 13:45.10 | Guerin | telenieko: en_NZ, but yeah |
| 13:45.10 | nvz | Garp: not to mention they have the damn software on a samba server HD which means its been copied for easy pirating |
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| 13:45.15 | nvz | Garp: with serial files |
| 13:45.24 | amorphix | Garp yeah thats right |
| 13:45.31 | nvz | Garp: looks just like your average warez site |
| 13:45.40 | stew | CodeWarrior_: you want to pass CONSOLE=/dev/tty2 to your kernel iirc |
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| 13:45.42 | amorphix | and isnt Bill Gates Foundation the charity |
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| 13:45.46 | Garp | nvz: Well, I dont know much about proprietary stuff... |
| 13:46.02 | stew | CodeWarrior_: or maybe it was console i don't remember, google it |
| 13:46.02 | CodeWarrior_ | stew: no, how can I do that ? |
| 13:46.06 | fireba11 | nvz probably someone cloned the installation .. ^^ |
| 13:46.08 | Garp | amorphix: so a giveaway to charity is just money in their pocket. |
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| 13:46.24 | srockett | Heys guys, does anyone know if there is a deb package I can install to give Beep-Media-Player the ability to play wma and m4a files? Or do I need to compile some obscure plugin? |
| 13:46.24 | stew | CodeWarrior_: its a kenel parameter, tell your bootloader about it |
| 13:46.25 | CodeWarrior_ | stew: in the grub section ? |
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| 13:46.38 | Garp | amorphix: moreover their "charities" are often "giving a few PCs to poor schools (with ms software on it, of course) |
| 13:46.43 | Guerin | srockett: rarewares probably has a plugin for them |
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| 13:47.02 | srockett | Guerin: do they have a site? Never heard of rarewares |
| 13:47.08 | stew | CodeWarrior_: in menu.lst it should go on a line with, for instance root=/dev/hdxx |
| 13:47.08 | Guerin | srockett: .org |
| 13:47.14 | Garp | (they've done some good work on aids, also, that's to be mentionned) |
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| 13:47.32 | CodeWarrior_ | stew: ah right ! thanks friend, I'll try it right now ! |
| 13:47.33 | stew | CodeWarrior_: i'm suprised this wasn't part of the bootsplash instructions |
| 13:47.38 | nvz | fireba11: yep stupid lazy underpaid tech. they are cheapskates this company. I would have had the sense to use linux, but I can see why the tech wouldnt be inclined to care what he did "wrong" there because I know how they are.. they are cheap bastards and probably werent paying him enough to even be there |
| 13:47.49 | CodeWarrior_ | stew: yeah, at least I didn't read about it |
| 13:47.49 | Guerin | srockett: careful, the packages are for unstable, with some things depending on experimental |
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| 13:48.16 | Guerin | srockett: if you're not completely insane, it's probably best to get the source packages and backport them to what you're running |
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| 13:48.41 | nvz | fireba11: if I thought they would take it seriously and pay decent I would get that linux server back in operation and fix the problem |
| 13:49.16 | SuperWilly | Does dselect log all actions in a update and if so, where can I find it? |
| 13:49.33 | nvz | if it werent for the fact a lot of the QA people needed those Scales and Zebra Thermal Label printers they could probably get away with using dumb terminals and would not have even needed those shitty pcs they got |
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| 13:49.42 | Xteven | Guerin : hmm ok |
| 13:50.10 | Xteven | my problem is that I have to type my password when I login to ssh, even when I already have a valid kerberos ticket |
| 13:50.20 | TNKS | Okay everybody, I reread the man page, and I think I solved that one last point. |
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| 13:50.33 | Xteven | KerberosAuthentication is enabled on the ssh server |
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| 13:51.04 | Guerin | Xteven: ok, now we're getting someplace. I don't know a damn thing about kerberos, but some other people in here probably do. |
| 13:51.15 | ddunham | Morning guys. Big problem.. Every command I run all of sudden gives me: error while loading shared libraries: use: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 13:51.27 | ddunham | ls, dir, |
| 13:51.31 | Garp | TNKS: good :) |
| 13:51.31 | TNKS | So, I know I have a heterogeneous system now. I'm for the most part okay with that. I know I certainly don't have a full installation of unstable, but I'm wondering what packages are not from my distro of choice, testing. Is there a nice tool to figure that out? |
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| 13:51.43 | nvz | most all the software is programmed in Delphi from what I gather. and its all real simple stuff. they have photoshop I assume to draw line-art images of the parts we make |
| 13:51.44 | Xteven | Guerin : thx for the help though :) |
| 13:52.09 | Garp | TNKS: yes: apt-show-versions |
| 13:52.15 | petemc | TNKS: aptitude |
| 13:52.24 | nvz | I could probably without any problem reorganize the whole system to be 200% more effecient, and legit with free software |
| 13:52.39 | Guerin | TNKS: the best way to regress to testing is to change all your sources to testing, and wait |
| 13:52.50 | Garp | ddunham: when did you removed your glibc ? ;) |
| 13:52.54 | Guerin | TNKS: depending on what you have from unstable, it might take weeks or months |
| 13:52.55 | ddunham | I didn't. |
| 13:52.57 | md5sum | I had to downgrade from sid to etch... apt-pinning did it the best for me |
| 13:53.06 | ddunham | Garp: I upgraded everything last night.. and I came in this morning |
| 13:53.07 | md5sum | TNKS: ^---- |
| 13:53.16 | ddunham | and ran few commands and everything was working fine.. I tried to strace something |
| 13:53.20 | Guerin | ddunham: did the upgrade complete without error? |
| 13:53.22 | ddunham | and it all went ot shit. |
| 13:53.22 | Garp | ddunham: hummm |
| 13:53.25 | ddunham | Guerin: no errors at all. |
| 13:53.29 | ddunham | It was working fine for 24 hours |
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| 13:53.34 | Guerin | ddunham: funky |
| 13:53.43 | Garp | (have to go, bebye everybody) |
| 13:53.44 | Guerin | ddunham: /usr on a separate filesystem? |
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| 13:53.52 | ddunham | dont think so. |
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| 13:54.04 | Guerin | shouldn't matter, since the critical stuff is in /lib |
| 13:54.04 | ddunham | proxy:/opt/Websense/bin# cp /usr/sbin/ld.so.preload-manager /etc/ld.so.preload |
| 13:54.04 | ddunham | proxy:/opt/Websense/bin# strace -c ./EIMServer |
| 13:54.04 | ddunham | strace: error while loading shared libraries: use: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 13:54.07 | ddunham | thats all i did.. |
| 13:54.18 | ddunham | I didnt even remove it |
| 13:54.23 | Guerin | ddunham: ldconfig; |
| 13:54.25 | ddunham | before those commands, ls and everything were working |
| 13:54.37 | ddunham | all the libs are there when i run ldconfig -v |
| 13:54.41 | nvz | oh well I am going to get some sleep before I am up all day again |
| 13:54.48 | TNKS | Guerin, I agree. . . but I'm not /that/ fearful of the unstable packages I might have. I'm just curious. I'll take a look at apt-show-versions. |
| 13:54.59 | darkness | Hi, does opera depend on installing libqt nowadays for sarge 2.4.27-2? |
| 13:55.10 | Guerin | !htfsqk darkness |
| 13:55.11 | md5sum | darkness: apt-cache depends opera |
| 13:55.14 | Guerin | !htfswk darkness |
| 13:55.15 | dpkg | darkness: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 13:55.22 | Guerin | md5sum: give over, it's not in ddebian |
| 13:55.28 | md5sum | Guerin: ahhh okay |
| 13:55.35 | ddunham | Guerin: ? |
| 13:55.53 | darkness | !gdfrerfs Guerin |
| 13:55.58 | Guerin | ddunham: i have no real ideas at this point |
| 13:56.08 | ddunham | so wtf, reinstall? |
| 13:56.47 | Guerin | darkness: ask opera, llc, or look in the control.tar.gz within their debian package |
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| 13:57.12 | Guerin | ddunham: i probably would, but I'm just too lazy to find out what the problem is. |
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| 13:57.22 | md5sum | heh |
| 13:57.40 | md5sum | sylvester stallone is making Rocky 6 at age 60 hahahahah |
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| 13:57.45 | sandman | nvz: Prosecute! |
| 13:57.45 | md5sum | too funny |
| 13:57.48 | ddunham | Any suggestions as what I could do to find out what happened? |
| 13:57.55 | bretzel | Hello :-) |
| 13:57.58 | sandman | nvz: Or use blackmail: Force them to sign a contract with you, or you'll expose their piracy policies |
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| 13:58.12 | Guerin | sandman: blackmail is illegal |
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| 13:58.26 | md5sum | nvz: business licenses go straight down the shitter when piracy is involved :) |
| 13:58.28 | bretzel | I am unable to make nvidia-glx ( kernel 2.6.8.x ) module to load |
| 13:58.36 | md5sum | Guerin: who's gonna know? lol |
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| 13:59.17 | Guerin | play nice, kiddiwinks |
| 13:59.21 | md5sum | night |
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| 13:59.47 | genevieve_ | hi u all |
| 13:59.53 | md5sum | whatup |
| 14:00.03 | md5sum | !u |
| 14:00.03 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 14:00.04 | Guerin | md5sum: when are you going to migrate to sha1sum? |
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| 14:00.29 | Guerin | md5sum: you've been broken, dontchaknow |
| 14:00.29 | md5sum | Guerin: my blootbot is urnsha1 ;) lol |
| 14:00.42 | mtnman | genevieve_ |
| 14:00.50 | md5sum | Guerin: hey speaking of, do you know how to enable babelfish and websearches on a blootbot? |
| 14:00.51 | mtnman | genevieve_; bon jour |
| 14:00.54 | genevieve_ | initrd vmlinuz boot.imag on my desk ,, how to install debian from the net |
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| 14:01.17 | SuperWilly | Does dselect log all actions in a update and if so, where can I find it? |
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| 14:01.30 | mtnman | genevieve_: the usual way is to use debian cd1 |
| 14:01.39 | Guerin | md5sum: my bloot-fu is as weak as my perl hackery. res1ak or dondelelcar0 are the people to talk to |
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| 14:01.42 | CodeWarrior_ | stew: it didn't work, still same problem... I found some links in google, but they say console=/dev/tty2 is just when you use LILO, I use Grub,,, any other tip ? |
| 14:01.53 | md5sum | Guerin: k :D |
| 14:01.55 | genevieve_ | i mean netinstall thanks |
| 14:01.57 | mtnman | genevieve_: there is an install guide which you should read |
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| 14:02.23 | lawrence | hi |
| 14:02.26 | Pasamio | good time of day all, anyone got a time when kde is going to unbork itself on unstable? |
| 14:02.28 | Pasamio | heya lawrence |
| 14:02.31 | md5sum | !d-i genevieve_ |
| 14:02.32 | dpkg | genevieve_, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 14:02.39 | jim | they are the same, are they bots? |
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| 14:02.43 | lawrence | anyone have UT2k3/4? |
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| 14:02.49 | mtnman | hi jim |
| 14:02.51 | abrotman | Pasamio: #debian-kde |
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| 14:02.54 | jim | hiya |
| 14:02.57 | genevieve_ | ok thanks i was there before ,,,, |
| 14:02.58 | Pasamio | joy, cheers! |
| 14:03.01 | Guerin | Pasamio: when the kitten paraglides from the curtain rail |
| 14:03.10 | abrotman | i wasn't aware that kde could ever unbork :) |
| 14:03.15 | eps | lol |
| 14:03.21 | md5sum | hahaha |
| 14:03.24 | Pasamio | abrotman: was referring to the dependencies |
| 14:03.27 | Pasamio | was chasing kbabel |
| 14:03.29 | eps | Guerin but my kitten did that this morning |
| 14:03.35 | Guerin | Pasamio: your guess is as good as anyone's |
| 14:03.42 | abrotman | Pasamio: yep .. ask #debian-kde .. they should know something |
| 14:03.43 | eps | I guess tonight! |
| 14:03.44 | genevieve_ | ok ++ |
| 14:03.47 | md5sum | Pasamio: #debian-kde |
| 14:03.48 | abrotman | anything .. |
| 14:03.51 | sussudio | i have a 38.5C fever and the only cure is more cowbell |
| 14:04.08 | mtnman | sussudio: cowbell? |
| 14:04.09 | Pasamio | md5sum: a hunting :) |
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| 14:04.21 | sussudio | mtnman: google for it. |
| 14:04.23 | eps | what is the gnome debian dev channel? |
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| 14:04.36 | Guerin | eps: debian-gnome mailing list |
| 14:04.38 | mtnman | sussudio: not _that_ interested |
| 14:04.38 | Guerin | eps: no channel |
| 14:04.43 | abrotman | sussudio: MORE COWBELL!! |
| 14:04.45 | eps | :( |
| 14:04.57 | rss | what are the packages needed to enable "changing contrast, brightness" on Sony Vaio laptops? |
| 14:04.59 | Cyano-Mobile | how do I get kde to start instead of gnome when using startx? |
| 14:04.59 | sussudio | funny how your vision shifts to yellow with a fever |
| 14:05.05 | eps | I've been looking at the roadmap for gnome 2.12 in debian... :| |
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| 14:05.12 | eps | I want it now :| ...guess I'll have to wait :| |
| 14:05.19 | Guerin | Cyano-Mobile: startx startkde; |
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| 14:05.30 | sussudio | beavers in the sky! |
| 14:05.33 | sussudio | incoming! |
| 14:05.35 | Cyano-Mobile | thanks |
| 14:05.35 | Guerin | eps: package it! |
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| 14:05.37 | eps | all of them! |
| 14:05.39 | eps | Guerin :P |
| 14:05.51 | eps | Guerin the task looks extremely complicated according to the roadmap |
| 14:05.54 | rss | vaiostat-source gives only the module... what about kernel source? |
| 14:05.59 | Guerin | eps: well, there ain't no other way it's going to get done on your timetable |
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| 14:06.07 | Guerin | eps: it is ... which is why it ain't done |
| 14:06.08 | eps | Guerin :P |
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| 14:06.25 | md5sum | encapsulated postscript |
| 14:06.26 | md5sum | yummy |
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| 14:06.34 | Guerin | haha |
| 14:06.36 | md5sum | LOL |
| 14:06.41 | eps | silly it's done when it's done! why can't we have it's done when gates needs another pay check and have errors all of the place!...oh wait :| :P |
| 14:06.42 | md5sum | good thinkin' :) |
| 14:06.42 | sussudio | don't remind me of postscript...... |
| 14:06.47 | Guerin | that's too weird, I'm going to bed now |
| 14:06.51 | md5sum | heh |
| 14:06.54 | md5sum | g'night zippy |
| 14:06.55 | eps | silly Guerin, it doesn't stand for that at all! |
| 14:07.07 | eps | haha |
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| 14:08.19 | ddunham | Guerin: I figured it out... I went to the console |
| 14:08.23 | ddunham | and there are /dev/hda seek errors |
| 14:08.32 | md5sum | daisywheel |
| 14:08.33 | brader | sussudio I remeber my blazing fast 1 page pre minute dot matrix printer |
| 14:08.34 | md5sum | gotta love dat shit |
| 14:08.35 | md5sum | heh |
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| 14:08.49 | rss | how to enable "changing brightness and contrast" on sony vaio laptop? |
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| 14:08.55 | sussudio | Zzzzkkktttrrrraaaat ttaaaarkkkzzzzzt |
| 14:08.56 | amorphix | is someone doing noisey dot matrix printing |
| 14:09.06 | sussudio | yeah... i remember those dot matrix printers. |
| 14:09.29 | rss | Sony Vaio PCG-f270 to be precise |
| 14:09.30 | amorphix | inkjet came along and everything went silent |
| 14:09.39 | md5sum | rss: look into gamma correction on xorg? |
| 14:09.46 | md5sum | rss: or xfree which ever |
| 14:10.02 | eps | night all :) |
| 14:10.04 | md5sum | amorphix: inkjet is far from silent heh... damn rollers |
| 14:10.07 | md5sum | eps: night |
| 14:10.20 | rss | md5sum: there is Fn key and few symbols on function keys that are not working |
| 14:10.20 | eps | md5sum break out? we have a bunch of dot matrixes at work...I wish they'd break and die for good :P |
| 14:10.43 | md5sum | rss: is that not hardware-based on vaios ? |
| 14:10.47 | sandman | Guerin: I'm in trouble then |
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| 14:10.54 | rss | md5sum: no |
| 14:10.54 | md5sum | eps: those things keep going for EVER |
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| 14:10.56 | md5sum | oops |
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| 14:11.05 | md5sum | rss: that sucks... |
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| 14:11.13 | md5sum | rss: best I could tell you is ask in #xorg |
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| 14:11.16 | leminhteo | hi all |
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| 14:11.24 | bibe | hi leminhteo |
| 14:11.26 | md5sum | leminhteo: hello |
| 14:11.27 | rss | md5sum: it is not x server specific |
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| 14:12.09 | Fred21 | hello |
| 14:12.11 | md5sum | rss: well I dunno about interfaces specifically for your function keys, but if you look into something that changes gamma in general, you could use lineak to setup the keys to correspond with a command to increase/decrease I guess... |
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| 14:13.02 | leminhteo | can i add more subnet in dhcp while my debian cant not add alias ip |
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| 14:14.04 | petemc | leminhteo: huh? |
| 14:14.21 | hid3 | Hello everyone. Is it possible to specify different "from" address than <user>@<my_reverse.dns> when sending emails via `mail' command? |
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| 14:14.29 | eleftherios | my laptop (HP nx8220) overheats, (in windows it does not). Any pointers anyone? |
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| 14:15.20 | eleftherios | I am running etch if that is of any importance |
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| 14:15.28 | petemc | hid3: im pretty sure you can do that with mutt from the command line |
| 14:15.37 | leminhteo | petemc: huh? |
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| 14:15.56 | petemc | leminhteo: your question made no sense |
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| 14:16.06 | hid3 | petemc: well actually I'm writing a script, so I need for that to be in one command; mutt is not the solution here I think. |
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| 14:16.20 | petemc | hid3: mutt can do whatever mail can, and lots more |
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| 14:16.33 | nojoopa | How well does GRUB work with non-LBA harddrives? I'm trying to move a Debian system from a LBA-hd to a non-LBA-hd. Will GRUB need any special parameters/configuration? (I've had troubles with non-LBA-hds & GRUB before...) |
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| 14:16.46 | hid3 | really? didn't knew that.. thanks, I'll read the mutt's manual |
| 14:16.55 | leminhteo | i want to add more subnet in dhcp server but my debian can't add alias ip address |
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| 14:17.03 | petemc | leminhteo: why cant it? |
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| 14:17.22 | petemc | leminhteo: i use multiple ip aliases and dhcp subnets without issue |
| 14:17.28 | abrotman | petemc: liar! |
| 14:17.32 | petemc | i do! |
| 14:17.39 | abrotman | you must be from jersey! |
| 14:17.53 | petemc | http://www.yerma.org/~pete/temp/adddhcp.pl.txt |
| 14:17.57 | petemc | proof, if you need ot |
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| 14:18.02 | abrotman | ieeee!!!!!!!!! |
| 14:18.06 | abrotman | it's a dirty txt file! |
| 14:18.09 | petemc | :) |
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| 14:18.40 | leminhteo | but my kernel does not support ip alias |
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| 14:19.30 | abrotman | did you roll your own ? |
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| 14:20.02 | petemc | is it ancient? |
| 14:20.22 | jim | leminhteo: you should paste your .config to someplace like rafb.net/paste |
| 14:20.32 | abrotman | did he even roll his own? |
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| 14:20.53 | jim | yeah, good question... but he's nonresponsive at the moment |
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| 14:21.17 | g1powermac | Hi All |
| 14:21.18 | abrotman | jim: |
| 14:21.32 | g1powermac | waht is stored in /var/log/ksymoops ? |
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| 14:21.46 | g1powermac | my hdd is being filled with logs in that dire |
| 14:21.48 | abrotman | ksymoops |
| 14:21.52 | g1powermac | *directory |
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| 14:21.54 | leminhteo | i use 2.2 kernel which does not support ip alias |
| 14:22.09 | jim | 2.-2-? |
| 14:22.13 | g1powermac | abrotman: is there a way to tell it to stop logging? |
| 14:22.19 | petemc | leminhteo: load the ip_alias module |
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| 14:22.29 | leminhteo | how can i do it |
| 14:22.33 | petemc | gah |
| 14:22.44 | jim | leminhteo: man modprobe |
| 14:22.50 | aarkerio | how can I turn on numlock by default? |
| 14:22.52 | jim | time to learn many things :) |
| 14:22.58 | jim | bios |
| 14:23.01 | petemc | leminhteo: update your kernel, do some more reading |
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| 14:23.27 | leminhteo | i try to update my kernel but it have many error |
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| 14:24.02 | aarkerio | apt-get install numlockx |
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| 14:24.11 | jim | leminhteo: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 14:25.10 | abrotman | well .. ok .. don't wait |
| 14:25.15 | abrotman | damn impatient people |
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| 14:26.01 | leminhteo | oss 2.2.20-idepci |
| 14:26.13 | leminhteo | this is my version of debian |
| 14:26.24 | petemc | unlucky |
| 14:26.32 | Pasamio | ancient |
| 14:26.44 | jim | leminhteo: also, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 14:26.48 | rss | how to correct gamma? |
| 14:26.52 | leminhteo | 3.0 |
| 14:26.57 | leminhteo | sorry |
| 14:27.01 | Pasamio | mmm, he's using the vanilla installer |
| 14:27.04 | leminhteo | 3.0 this is my version |
| 14:27.07 | Pasamio | or he used the vanilla installer |
| 14:27.15 | Pasamio | leminhteo: we're up to 3.1 now :p |
| 14:27.18 | jim | so that's woody |
| 14:27.28 | leminhteo | 2.2.20-idepci this is my kernel image |
| 14:27.34 | jim | yes |
| 14:27.42 | leminhteo | can u show me step by step |
| 14:27.50 | jim | and you didn't build it yourself... |
| 14:27.56 | leminhteo | i updated but have many error |
| 14:28.18 | abrotman | !real kernel |
| 14:28.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, real kernel is The Debian install kernels are meant for just that: installing. If you want things like wide module support and netfilter, install a proper kernel. 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386' will see you through, if you have no idea. First though, do apt-cache search kernel-image- . Woody install kernels have several known vulnerabilities, including local roots & remote DoSes |
| 14:28.38 | abrotman | i can't believe that still exists :) |
| 14:29.09 | jim | well, I'm done asking stuff for now... you've told us most of what we need to know to help ya out |
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| 14:29.20 | mzdeb | hello :-) |
| 14:29.35 | CAiRO | is there a way to check to burning quality of dvd-r's on linux? |
| 14:29.45 | leminhteo | is |
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| 14:29.55 | petemc | CAiRO: sure, check if they're ritek |
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| 14:30.11 | jim | abrotman: is that still true? |
| 14:30.20 | abrotman | jim: if you've installed woody it is |
| 14:30.22 | CAiRO | petemc: if they're what? |
| 14:30.25 | abrotman | if he's upgraded to sarge .. no |
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| 14:30.40 | olczyk | Can someone recomend a good newsreader for debian? |
| 14:30.43 | jim | looks like he only tried to and failed |
| 14:30.55 | petemc | CAiRO: its a manufacturer, you can see the same by looking closly at the inner part of the disc |
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| 14:31.06 | jim | olczyk: some people like slrn |
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| 14:31.29 | olczyk | Most important feature is that it cache groups/messages out of the box. |
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| 14:31.44 | jim | cache? |
| 14:31.46 | abrotman | olczyk: pan/tin/slrn |
| 14:32.08 | CAiRO | petemc: well, according to german computer magazins, for each burner a different media is the best one.. there are programs on win32 which allow you to test the quality and i thought maybe there's something like that on linux |
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| 14:32.29 | bas_ | Hey |
| 14:32.41 | leminhteo | do it influence my services when i update to kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386 |
| 14:32.45 | tchmnkyz | anyone here use tinyproxy? |
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| 14:32.55 | abrotman | leminhteo: you'll have to restart the machine |
| 14:33.02 | abrotman | leminhteo: is this machine remote? |
| 14:33.05 | abrotman | !tell N0S3 about root |
| 14:33.23 | abrotman | leminhteo: and when it tells you to do stuff to lilo .. you BETTER pay attention or the system won't boot |
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| 14:33.55 | JJK | phaedral, maybe try to set your SSID to nothing? |
| 14:34.03 | leminhteo | yes |
| 14:34.13 | JJK | sorry, false channel |
| 14:34.18 | leminhteo | it is a remote |
| 14:34.18 | phaedral | jjk; that sounds right |
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| 14:34.29 | JJK | huh? |
| 14:34.47 | Abdulkadir2 | hi i how got a debian installer problem."i install debian with network. When start get relase file,computer cant find relase file. i test some mirror but the problem some time |
| 14:34.51 | phaedral | JJK: i'm in both channels; and setting ssid to nothing seems worth a try |
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| 14:35.04 | amorphix | hi |
| 14:35.30 | md5sum | Abdulkadir2: are you sure you're getting a network connection? |
| 14:35.37 | Abdulkadir2 | ye |
| 14:35.38 | amorphix | what is ssid |
| 14:35.56 | mzdeb | how can I get wine for debian and how do i install it |
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| 14:36.03 | leminhteo | i must configure lilo to boot with more kernel |
| 14:36.13 | Abdulkadir2 | md5sum: if i pass relase for example minimal system download it can be |
| 14:36.18 | xfan | mzdeb : apt-get install wine |
| 14:36.19 | Noid | mzdeb: apt-get install wine |
| 14:36.20 | md5sum | !tell mzdeb about wine |
| 14:36.21 | phaedral | mzdeb: there's a wine channel here on freenode; last time i was playing around it was suggested to just build it |
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| 14:36.37 | Abdulkadir2 | md5sum: i hove got connected |
| 14:36.37 | JJK | amorphix, that's a number or string which is used to encrypt network traffic, AFAIK. Don't shoot me if I'm wrong |
| 14:36.37 | mzdeb | ty xfan now wehre do i get it |
| 14:36.42 | phaedral | that may have been before sarge became stable |
| 14:36.57 | md5sum | mzdeb: check your messages |
| 14:36.58 | Abdulkadir2 | it try wget -q ftp://ftp.tr.debian.org debian//dists/stable/Release |
| 14:37.06 | amorphix | oh |
| 14:37.12 | dorto | i never added security line in sources.list, but debian is still downloading and installing the security patches. it says 8hours remaining! how to stop it now(in the middle) and continue with my main installation? |
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| 14:37.19 | amorphix | are we talking wireless? |
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| 14:37.29 | xfan | mzdeb : http://www.winehq.com |
| 14:37.37 | md5sum | !wine |
| 14:37.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, wine is at http://www.winehq.com/ or #winehq. It stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator or alternative win32 API. very buggy, will be a major part of the death of M$. The sources.list lines are: deb http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main, deb-src http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main. apt-get install shiraz, or a tasty alcoholic beverage. |
| 14:37.45 | amorphix | do you guys run wireless networks |
| 14:37.45 | mzdeb | ok thanks |
| 14:37.56 | dorto | amorphix: i do |
| 14:38.33 | amorphix | arent you worried someone is listening in to your network traffic on a radio scanner or using another wireless nic |
| 14:38.45 | md5sum | wireless networking is encoded |
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| 14:38.50 | amorphix | oh |
| 14:38.56 | Abdulkadir2 | md5sum: what is my problem do you know. are there any bug about this problem? |
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| 14:38.56 | amorphix | safe safe/reliable is it tho |
| 14:39.00 | amorphix | *how |
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| 14:39.59 | amorphix | if they all use the same encoding cant someone else simply be near your router to access your network? |
| 14:40.00 | leminhteo | what is the link which i can get more best kernel when using "apt -get install" command |
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| 14:40.26 | amorphix | apt-get install kernel-image |
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| 14:40.44 | amorphix | apt-get install kernel-source (if u wanna roll your own) |
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| 14:41.46 | sleon | what is the name of the package for a local timeserver ? |
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| 14:41.50 | amorphix | im a bit dubious about wireless routers, im just looking at them today as im considering buying one but the security aspect concerns me |
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| 14:42.08 | Nosmas_358 | hi @ all |
| 14:42.09 | md5sum | amorphix: you can set to use stronger decoding... |
| 14:42.22 | chealer | amorphix, this has few to do with Debian. |
| 14:42.24 | amorphix | 300 meter range is quite a distance, potentially someone in the next flat to me could access my network |
| 14:42.29 | SuperWilly | Does dselect log all actions in a update and if so, where can I find it? |
| 14:42.30 | chealer | sleon, ntpd? |
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| 14:42.33 | md5sum | amorphix: there are many different types of encoding, just check the specs and see what encodings are supported, and what linux supports |
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| 14:42.44 | jim | SuperWilly: no |
| 14:42.54 | amorphix | chealer: your typing has few to do with english, but im not complaining |
| 14:42.55 | chealer | SuperWilly, which release do you run? |
| 14:43.13 | amorphix | md5sum: ok thanks |
| 14:43.20 | md5sum | sure |
| 14:43.30 | SuperWilly | Woody (3.0) also have a 3.1 machine too |
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| 14:44.25 | weissi | hi guys |
| 14:45.23 | sleon | chealer, ok |
| 14:45.37 | sleon | chealer, i use it but when i try to connect to it form client i get : no suiteable servers found |
| 14:45.48 | sleon | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:46.12 | chealer | try to google it, I never used it |
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| 14:46.17 | chealer | or just read the doc |
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| 14:46.27 | SuperWilly | chealer any idea? |
| 14:46.51 | abrotman | SuperWilly: no |
| 14:46.51 | chealer | SuperWilly, no logs |
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| 14:48.00 | abrotman | bots suck |
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| 14:48.22 | abrotman | sleon: ntpdate |
| 14:48.41 | SuperWilly | bummer. |
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| 14:48.51 | Norbert | hi, someone I know installed Debian on his laptop, but at the time of installation, there was no cd-rom attached - there is one now, but Nautulis does not know about this cd-rom - what can be done about this? (is the device missing?) |
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| 14:49.13 | m4lu7 | hrmm. usermode linux, the deb packages, do i need matching kernels on the host/uml's for feature-x, say, "networking"? host is 2.6, uml kernel is stock 2.4.x... can't get satisfaction. |
| 14:49.26 | abrotman | Norbert: fstab needs an entry |
| 14:49.32 | tombs | hi all |
| 14:50.03 | Norbert | abrotman: would this be okay? /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
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| 14:50.50 | abrotman | Norbert: is /dev/hdc correct .. and does /media/cdrom0 exist ? |
| 14:51.21 | Norbert | abrotman: I can't tell, this person is on a vaction, I don't have his laptop here, but he complained via e-mail |
| 14:51.30 | abrotman | nice |
| 14:51.32 | SuperWilly | anyone here using Spamhaus RBL? |
| 14:51.42 | abrotman | Norbert: seems correct |
| 14:51.45 | abrotman | SuperWilly: WHY? |
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| 14:51.52 | P|Pe | Need help to activate my prism54-card plz query me |
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| 14:52.00 | abrotman | !prism54 |
| 14:52.01 | dpkg | prism54 is, like, http://prism54.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1043 |
| 14:52.16 | SuperWilly | abrotman: I'd like to see your conf... :) |
| 14:52.18 | SimonRaven | and no one will /q you |
| 14:52.24 | abrotman | SuperWilly: no ? |
| 14:52.25 | amorphix | newbie wireless question: is it necessary to have the cable modem connected to the wireless router, or can i leave the cable going into my nic and have the wireless router going into my inward bound nic? |
| 14:52.31 | abrotman | since it depends on which MTA ? |
| 14:52.39 | fjkadfooo | Hi, I'm using etch, I just upgraded last night. When I start a lot of errors about libsane, they say bad line about blacklist. Also errors on some other things. |
| 14:52.43 | SuperWilly | well what are you using? |
| 14:52.52 | P|Pe | http://prism54.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1043 <-- item doesnt exists .. |
| 14:52.53 | abrotman | SuperWilly: postfix |
| 14:52.56 | SuperWilly | boo |
| 14:53.01 | abrotman | P|Pe: just try prism54.org |
| 14:53.07 | abrotman | SuperWilly: and you're using what? |
| 14:53.08 | P|Pe | k |
| 14:53.22 | amorphix | how does wireless router interface to network? |
| 14:53.24 | petemc | amorphix: normally you would plug the cable modem into the router |
| 14:53.35 | amorphix | i dont want to do that tho |
| 14:53.55 | abrotman | amorphix: like you want .. your machine to be a router? |
| 14:53.56 | petemc | amorphix: well, its your kit - do what you want with it :) |
| 14:53.59 | abrotman | to the router |
| 14:54.01 | amorphix | yes |
| 14:54.07 | amorphix | :-) |
| 14:54.09 | abrotman | that's silly |
| 14:54.11 | abrotman | carry on |
| 14:54.13 | amorphix | why? |
| 14:54.18 | abrotman | SuperWilly: and you're using what? |
| 14:54.42 | amorphix | isnt it more secure, rather than have your internet traffic going thru a wireless router |
| 14:54.54 | abrotman | to go through your router? |
| 14:55.02 | amorphix | yeah to the cable modem |
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| 14:55.39 | abrotman | amorphix: you do it however you want .. seems like oyu're trying to make it complicated |
| 14:55.43 | sleon | i have a question i configured my ntp server with following config : http://pastebin.com/398673 , my firewall allows udp packets to port 123 for 192.168.0.0/16 , but when i start ntpdate <serverip> on a clients i get following errror : [root@crab sleon]# ntpdate squid |
| 14:55.43 | sleon | Looking for host squid and service ntp |
| 14:55.43 | sleon | host found : squid.jhanna.dyndns.org |
| 14:55.43 | sleon | 19 Oct 18:50:28 ntpdate[7062]: no server suitable for synchronization found |
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| 14:55.46 | amorphix | oh |
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| 14:56.08 | abrotman | sleon: use pool.ntp.org |
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| 14:56.19 | sleon | abrotman, moment |
| 14:56.25 | sleon | abrotman, i want to have a local ntp server |
| 14:56.28 | abrotman | sleon: ntpdate is not a server .. it's a client |
| 14:56.29 | amorphix | so I could have the cable modem into the wireless router, and then have secure (wired) puters into the wireless router, and less secure, wireless ones also |
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| 14:56.29 | sleon | abrotman, clients should use it |
| 14:56.42 | sleon | abrotman, i have ntpd running on a server |
| 14:56.43 | abrotman | sleon: the times might be too far apart |
| 14:57.04 | abrotman | amorphix: but you put your less-secure wifi clients inside your network :) |
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| 14:57.10 | sleon | abrotman, so should i set it manually first ? |
| 14:57.17 | amorphix | abrotman: what I'm trying to do is have some machines hard wired for security and laptop and others wireless for non-secure use |
| 14:57.24 | abrotman | sleon: or read the man page that will tell you how to jump it like that |
| 14:57.34 | abrotman | amorphix: fine .. you do it however you want |
| 14:57.38 | amorphix | ok |
| 14:57.43 | amorphix | but i want it to be secure |
| 14:57.56 | sleon | abrotman, nope i changed it to the same time as a server |
| 14:58.02 | sleon | abrotman, but still i get this error |
| 14:58.03 | abrotman | nope what? |
| 14:58.10 | fusspils | SMB shared printer (windows) is not selectable in the add printer wizard (KDE)....what am I missing? |
| 14:58.14 | abrotman | sleon: then something isn't kosher at all .. |
| 14:58.21 | sleon | abrotman, and what can it be ? |
| 14:58.30 | abrotman | sleon: all the other clients work ? |
| 14:58.30 | sleon | abrotman, have you looked at my ntp.conf ? |
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| 14:58.31 | clojster | nooo... why GKSU now depends on Gconf2??? That's baaaaad |
| 14:58.38 | sleon | abrotman, none |
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| 14:58.46 | petemc | fusspils: you're using kde when it sounds like you want osx |
| 14:58.48 | abrotman | sleon: none of the clients work? |
| 14:58.52 | amorphix | where can i check my router make to see if its supported in Debian? |
| 14:58.53 | sleon | abrotman, config of the server is here : http://pastebin.com/398673 |
| 14:58.57 | clojster | gconf is bad thing |
| 14:59.06 | abrotman | sleon: use pool.ntp.org as your ntp server |
| 14:59.06 | amorphix | Google doesnt know |
| 14:59.07 | sleon | abrotman, correct none of clients can get info from local ntp server with config on the pastebin.com above |
| 14:59.13 | sleon | abrotman, on clients ? |
| 14:59.16 | sleon | abrotman, or on server |
| 14:59.19 | petemc | amorphix: if it supports wired/wireless ethernet - its "supported" |
| 14:59.24 | amorphix | oh |
| 14:59.29 | amorphix | simple as that eh |
| 14:59.36 | amorphix | sounds good to me |
| 14:59.38 | abrotman | sleon: server |
| 14:59.40 | astro | i have a question about imap...currently I use a webmail that uses imap to connect to my mail server wehn i'm away then pop with thunderbird when i'm at home...if i switched tbird to imap would i be able to get all the sent messages from the webmail? |
| 14:59.44 | sleon | abrotman, ok |
| 14:59.51 | abrotman | sleon: i think you have it misconfigured .. look in man ntp.conf for hints |
| 14:59.58 | petemc | astro: if you can subscribe to your sent-mail folder, sure |
| 15:00.00 | abrotman | those restrict lines don't look quite right |
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| 15:00.28 | astro | petemc: i'd assume...so i could have it take everything off the server when i run tbird? |
| 15:00.40 | petemc | astro: yup, imap rocks |
| 15:00.45 | petemc | (when it works) |
| 15:00.45 | sleon | abrotman, oh can you tell me how to make them look right? |
| 15:00.47 | astro | petemc: will look into it |
| 15:01.07 | abrotman | sleon: not without reading the man page .. which is why i suggested you do it :) |
| 15:01.26 | sleon | http://pastebin.com/398678 |
| 15:01.32 | sleon | abrotman, this are the new values |
| 15:01.38 | sleon | abrotman, man ntpd ? |
| 15:01.41 | astro | petemc: appreciate it |
| 15:01.54 | abrotman | sleon: man ntp.conf .. i think |
| 15:01.57 | abrotman | !tell solemnwarning about away |
| 15:02.07 | abrotman | for like .. the bazillionth time .. idiot |
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| 15:02.36 | abrotman | he uses xchat .. it's really pretty damn easy to configure it NOT to do that |
| 15:02.40 | SimonRaven | nah, just a gazillion |
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| 15:02.48 | abrotman | moron |
| 15:03.50 | sussudio | ok. apparently #azureus-users is a playground for fucktards with ops |
| 15:04.13 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 15:04.18 | sussudio | abrotman: seriously. |
| 15:04.26 | abrotman | they all have ops ? |
| 15:04.32 | sussudio | abrotman: the fucktards do |
| 15:04.39 | sleon | abrotman, can i have example config from somewhere? |
| 15:04.41 | abrotman | sussudio: better than no ops |
| 15:04.42 | abrotman | :) |
| 15:04.48 | sussudio | abrotman: i have to disagree |
| 15:05.14 | sussudio | abrotman: it would probably be better to close the channel and kick them all off freenode. |
| 15:05.22 | covux | hi. ive a strange prob. while booting the error msg "Mounting local filesystems.. failed" comes up but booting continues and system is all fine. thx for any ideas, help etc. (using debian sid) |
| 15:05.37 | abrotman | sussudio: tell #freenode ? |
| 15:05.43 | leminhteo | can i set up streaming video server in linux? |
| 15:05.47 | abrotman | sussudio: and get them to kill solemnwarning while you're at it |
| 15:05.49 | sussudio | abrotman: do you think they'll listen? |
| 15:06.06 | sussudio | who the fuck is solemnwarning? |
| 15:06.06 | abrotman | sussudio: of course not .. why would anyone with authority ever listen |
| 15:06.11 | SimonRaven | dunno, can you? you have my permission |
| 15:06.19 | abrotman | sussudio: /lastlog solemnwarning |
| 15:06.40 | sussudio | abrotman: all i see is an autoaway |
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| 15:07.04 | abrotman | sussudio: yes .. he does it five times a day |
| 15:07.14 | abrotman | sleon: http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/html/index.html#conf .. i have no ntp servers running here right now |
| 15:07.27 | sussudio | abrotman: seems more of a job for ops in here then |
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| 15:07.36 | abrotman | sussudio: like they'd do anything :) |
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| 15:08.03 | sussudio | abrotman: have there been any debian developers in here lately to whine and bitch about the channel while doing fuckall in here themselves? |
| 15:08.33 | petemc | sussudio: fuckall, other than maintaining debian packages/infrastructure? |
| 15:08.41 | abrotman | sussudio: uhm .. jeroen was i think .. he's probably here now .. benc ... rleigh maybe .. but they dont' say much of anything |
| 15:08.54 | sussudio | petemc: fuckall, as in calling greycat an asshole |
| 15:08.57 | abrotman | sussudio: and branden was here .. gone now i guess |
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| 15:09.09 | petemc | sussudio: well, id agree theres no need for that.. |
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| 15:09.24 | sussudio | petemc: only for telling a luser to read the FAQ. |
| 15:09.32 | petemc | yeah.. |
| 15:09.42 | sussudio | petemc: an extensive document made by greycat himself |
| 15:09.56 | SimonRaven | ...or not understanding humour |
| 15:09.57 | abrotman | sussudio: and don obviously .. but he's been here the whole time |
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| 15:10.14 | azeem | gravity's a DD as well |
| 15:10.22 | sussudio | he is? |
| 15:10.25 | SimonRaven | yup |
| 15:10.31 | sussudio | what's he do then? |
| 15:10.39 | azeem | sussudio: he maintaines xorg |
| 15:10.45 | SimonRaven | help maintain xorg, amongst other things |
| 15:10.48 | sussudio | azeem: doesn't branden do that? |
| 15:10.55 | azeem | sussudio: he used to |
| 15:10.57 | abrotman | sussudio: but he's only here at night |
| 15:11.03 | eleftherios | my laptop (HP nx8220) overheats, (in windows it does not). Does someone have any pointers by any chance? (I am running etch if that's of any importance) |
| 15:11.05 | SimonRaven | got handed off mostly |
| 15:11.11 | abrotman | !cpufreq |
| 15:11.12 | dpkg | i guess cpufreq is a patch (http://www.brodo.de/cpufreq_old) to the 2.4.x kernels to support frequency scaling on mobile x86, PowerPC and ARM processors. It has been merged into the 2.6.x series. It provides a simple interface (/proc/cpufreq) through which userspace daemons like cpudynd (in the "cpudyn" package) can throttle processor speed to save power when the system is idle. |
| 15:11.18 | sussudio | i haven't really started up X in a few months. |
| 15:11.55 | sleon | abrotman, ok i looked at manpage and also at ntp-doc |
| 15:11.58 | abrotman | sussudio: but yeah .. pretty much none of them that i can see .. not a big deal i suppose |
| 15:12.03 | sleon | abrotman, i could not find any suitable info there |
| 15:12.12 | sussudio | i got kinda really fucking tired of losing radeon functionality multiple times. |
| 15:12.25 | abrotman | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=debian+ntp+no+suitable+servers+found&btnG=Google+Search |
| 15:12.25 | sussudio | that and the crashing. |
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| 15:13.03 | abrotman | sleon: like i said .. i don't have an ntp server here .. so i can't go digging for a working ntp.conf .. but from what i remember when i had one elsewhere .. it seems slightly wrong |
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| 15:13.10 | eleftherios | abrotman, I am already running 2.6.12, that's why I am asking in here, couldn't find anything relevant on google :/ |
| 15:13.12 | sussudio | sleon: it is hard to google or read the documents that come with a program, isn't it? if you actually bothered to rtfm, you'd find that you have to specify 'pool.ntp.org' as a server. |
| 15:13.12 | p3ll3t | hey does anyone have an apt source for snort-2.4.x |
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| 15:13.32 | abrotman | eleftherios: and you used cpufreq to scale it back .. what about acpi to control fans ? |
| 15:13.44 | SimonRaven | has that as default in ntp.conf |
| 15:13.53 | sussudio | yes, it's the default now. |
| 15:14.00 | sleon | sussudio, i have done it |
| 15:14.02 | abrotman | and there is a #ntp |
| 15:14.07 | sleon | sussudio, and it is in my latest pastebin |
| 15:14.12 | abrotman | with 8 people in it :) |
| 15:14.14 | sussudio | it wasn't the default in woody |
| 15:14.17 | eleftherios | abrotman, hm, I haven't done anything to any config files.. |
| 15:14.35 | mzdeb | is linspire also freeBSD? |
| 15:14.43 | azeem | mzdeb: no? |
| 15:14.47 | abrotman | eleftherios: that wasn't what i asked |
| 15:14.49 | abrotman | !cpufreq |
| 15:14.49 | dpkg | methinks cpufreq is a patch (http://www.brodo.de/cpufreq_old) to the 2.4.x kernels to support frequency scaling on mobile x86, PowerPC and ARM processors. It has been merged into the 2.6.x series. It provides a simple interface (/proc/cpufreq) through which userspace daemons like cpudynd (in the "cpudyn" package) can throttle processor speed to save power when the system is idle. |
| 15:14.50 | sussudio | wait. does this look like #Linspire? |
| 15:14.50 | abrotman | !acpi |
| 15:14.50 | dpkg | acpi is, like, Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/ |
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| 15:15.10 | mzdeb | is debian freeBSD? |
| 15:15.15 | p3ll3t | no |
| 15:15.24 | azeem | mzdeb: there is a Debian GNU/kFreeBSD port, yes |
| 15:15.31 | SimonRaven | there's a freebsd sub-project |
| 15:15.35 | azeem | not sure about BSD userland for that, though |
| 15:15.38 | eleftherios | abrotman, thanks I 'll take it from there |
| 15:15.46 | abrotman | eleftherios: also |
| 15:15.48 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 15:15.48 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 15:15.53 | mzdeb | what BSD is debain |
| 15:15.56 | abrotman | eleftherios: look at those two sites for help |
| 15:16.00 | azeem | mzdeb: why do you ask? |
| 15:16.03 | sussudio | mzdeb: shush. |
| 15:16.04 | abrotman | !debian gnukfreebsd |
| 15:16.06 | abrotman | !debian gnu/kfreebsd |
| 15:16.07 | dpkg | [debian gnu/kfreebsd] a port that consists of the GNU userland on top of the FreeBSD kernel, coupled with the Debian tools and packages. There is a BSD libc5 port, but the Glibc port is being focused on more. http://www.debian.org/ports/freebsd/, or Penix' almighty official installation guide can be found here: http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/kfreebsd/install.html |
| 15:16.09 | mzdeb | im checking out linuxes |
| 15:16.15 | p3ll3t | does anyone here run Snort?? |
| 15:16.20 | sussudio | ... |
| 15:16.25 | abrotman | #snort ? |
| 15:16.28 | antgel | !tell p3ll3t about anyone |
| 15:16.31 | SimonRaven | mzdeb: uh, bsd isn't linux |
| 15:16.40 | mzdeb | what is debian |
| 15:16.47 | azeem | mzdeb: please see www.debian.org |
| 15:16.48 | SimonRaven | 2 totally different kernels... |
| 15:16.48 | antgel | mzdeb: www.debian.org |
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| 15:16.51 | sussudio | grapejuice also isn't corn |
| 15:17.02 | SimonRaven | indeed :) |
| 15:17.13 | eleftherios | abrotman, thank you |
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| 15:18.20 | abrotman | sussudio: but damn .. that would make some tasty juice! |
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| 15:19.15 | leminhteo | bye all |
| 15:19.23 | airox | p3ll3t: yes |
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| 15:19.57 | bushito | how do i put a secondary gateway?? |
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| 15:20.05 | cbr | is there any program that lets you draw simple vector arrows like used in physics exercises? |
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| 15:20.10 | p3ll3t | airox: do you know of an apt source for 2.4.x for snort |
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| 15:20.34 | p3ll3t | I am trying to upgrade from version 2.3.3 which is vulnerable at this point |
| 15:21.13 | abrotman | couldn't you just not run snort ? |
| 15:21.19 | abrotman | cbr: many |
| 15:21.25 | airox | some people need it abrotman i guess |
| 15:21.31 | azeem | p3ll3t: did you check the 2.3.3-2 changelog? It mentions security extensively |
| 15:21.37 | antgel | !tell bushito about bague |
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| 15:21.39 | p3ll3t | abrotman: the box is only intended to run snort |
| 15:21.40 | antgel | !tell bushito about vague |
| 15:21.41 | cbr | abrotman: could you bring out some examples? |
| 15:21.43 | abrotman | antgel: nice :) |
| 15:21.43 | antgel | whatever |
| 15:21.53 | antgel | abrotman: i meant bagel, natch :) |
| 15:21.53 | p3ll3t | azeem: The vulnerability came out yesterday |
| 15:21.58 | azeem | I see |
| 15:22.03 | abrotman | cbr: inkscape and sodipodi are both vector drawing apps |
| 15:22.16 | cbr | abrotman: not that kind of vectors.. |
| 15:22.19 | abrotman | p3ll3t: but the debian version might not be vulnerable |
| 15:22.27 | abrotman | cbr: damn you .. what did you mean ? |
| 15:22.29 | cbr | abrotman: arrows symbolising vectors.. like in physics classes |
| 15:22.41 | bushito | i mean how do i make a secondary gateway beside the one i got |
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| 15:22.48 | abrotman | man route |
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| 15:23.53 | cbr | abrotman: like you insert the direction, how long it is and it's drawn in a sensible scale |
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| 15:23.56 | airox | p3ll3t: I guess the patch cycle for debian packages isn't that fast. There will be a security update i guess. |
| 15:23.56 | p3ll3t | abrotman: it is in a preprocessor |
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| 15:23.57 | eleftherios | is anyone running zope on debian? what are the specific steps needed to get it up an running on debian? |
| 15:23.57 | abrotman | cbr: oh ... jeez .. uhm .. seul/edu might have some archives that might mention something .. but i've never seen that |
| 15:24.07 | abrotman | cbr: http://seul.org/edu/ |
| 15:24.11 | eleftherios | because I get "no instance found" although I have run mkzopeinstance.py |
| 15:24.21 | antgel | eleftherios: we prefer it if you try first then report back with problems you encountered :) |
| 15:24.22 | airox | p3ll3t: sometimes you have to wait before there will be an update |
| 15:24.37 | p3ll3t | airox: sorry but no time to wait in security |
| 15:24.40 | airox | :) |
| 15:24.43 | antgel | airox: not that fast compared to what? |
| 15:24.43 | eleftherios | antgel, I have tried, this is what I am saying |
| 15:24.44 | azeem | p3ll3t: then build it yourself |
| 15:24.54 | p3ll3t | azeem: I am |
| 15:24.58 | azeem | cool |
| 15:25.02 | airox | p3ll3t: you could consider building it yourself as azeem said |
| 15:25.03 | abrotman | cbr: another option .. let me look |
| 15:25.06 | antgel | eleftherios: no that's not what you were saying. you haven't told us what you tried and what the problem was |
| 15:25.14 | p3ll3t | airox: I am in the process right now |
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| 15:25.40 | eleftherios | antgel, "because I get "no instance found" although I have run mkzopeinstance.py" |
| 15:25.44 | airox | p3ll3t: make a package out of it and send it to the snort maintainer ;) |
| 15:25.45 | abrotman | cbr: ask #physics ? .. i don't know where #schoolforge is |
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| 15:25.53 | airox | bbl |
| 15:25.58 | p3ll3t | luckily you can disable the preprocessor to eliminate the problem |
| 15:25.59 | eleftherios | antgel, you probably missed that :-) |
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| 15:26.09 | chealer | airox, that wouldn't help |
| 15:26.10 | p3ll3t | but then you don't get that functionality |
| 15:26.23 | Neto_dnestilo | j/ curitiba |
| 15:26.32 | Neto_dnestilo | j/curitiba |
| 15:26.39 | mzdeb | im at www.debian.org and now im wondering after looking around, how do i download software like whois, and the such for debian |
| 15:26.46 | abrotman | Neto_dnestilo: /join #curitiba |
| 15:26.59 | Thanatermesis | any program for learn "type keyboard correctly" ? |
| 15:27.00 | p3ll3t | mzdeb use apt |
| 15:27.01 | abrotman | mzdeb: apt-get |
| 15:27.10 | antgel | eleftherios: *nod* apologies |
| 15:27.12 | Thanatermesis | how is the name... ? dactilographie ? |
| 15:27.18 | mzdeb | ok let me try |
| 15:27.19 | sussudio | !tell Thanatermesis about search |
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| 15:27.37 | Thanatermesis | sussudio i know search... |
| 15:27.43 | sussudio | then use it. |
| 15:27.44 | Thanatermesis | but don't know how is called this* programs |
| 15:27.48 | sussudio | ... |
| 15:27.49 | eleftherios | antgel, not to worry, you are welcome :-) |
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| 15:28.27 | sussudio | apt-cache search learn typing |
| 15:28.28 | antgel | eleftherios: have you read the docs in /usr/share/doc? |
| 15:28.32 | sussudio | GEEZ that was hard! |
| 15:28.42 | sussudio | </Thanatermesis barbie> |
| 15:28.46 | antgel | mzdeb: using aptitude |
| 15:28.54 | roboo | http://img430.imageshack.us/my.php?image=00013147ot.jpg can you help me please ? |
| 15:28.57 | Thanatermesis | sussudio barbie? o_O |
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| 15:29.07 | sussudio | !be sussudio barbie |
| 15:29.08 | dpkg | Kiss my shiny metal ass, sussudio! |
| 15:29.13 | sussudio | there. |
| 15:29.20 | abrotman | !sing sussudio |
| 15:29.33 | takatumi | sussudio: where's badgers? |
| 15:29.48 | sussudio | why would badgers be needed here? |
| 15:29.48 | abrotman | !be simonrvn barbie |
| 15:29.49 | dpkg | DUDE! Get that car away from me! |
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| 15:29.58 | mzdeb | suppose i wanted to apt-get a whois package, what do i type please |
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| 15:30.14 | eleftherios | antgel, yes, I have been trying to find debian specific information for some time now. I have asked in plone and zope channels and I have done all necessary afaiu so I am trying to see if it is a debian related issue in configuration |
| 15:30.16 | abrotman | !find bin/whois |
| 15:30.17 | azeem | mzdeb: please read the apt documentation |
| 15:30.23 | mzdeb | ok thanks |
| 15:30.24 | sussudio | abrotman: dnsutils? |
| 15:30.26 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/whois' (1): (/usr/bin/whois) in net/whois. |
| 15:30.27 | abrotman | !tell mzdeb about search |
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| 15:30.32 | abrotman | sussudio: nah :) |
| 15:30.36 | sussudio | hm it's called. WHOIS. |
| 15:30.38 | Thanatermesis | !sings Thanatermesis |
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| 15:30.41 | sussudio | !fist mzdeb |
| 15:30.49 | dorto | haha |
| 15:31.12 | Thanatermesis | !sing Thanatermesis |
| 15:31.33 | takatumi | Thanatermesis: no AI yet. |
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| 15:31.55 | sussudio | !sing penix |
| 15:31.55 | dpkg | Penix, Penix, Penix the bush kangarooooo... Penix, Penix, Penix does smell toooo.... |
| 15:31.58 | antgel | sussudio: i don't know you but you're like greycat in disguise |
| 15:32.08 | roboo | can you help meeeee |
| 15:32.11 | roboo | helpppp |
| 15:32.20 | Thanatermesis | takatumi oh, only asigned words for sing ? |
| 15:32.28 | sussudio | !aolify roboo |
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| 15:32.34 | takatumi | antgel: have you updated debian-reference yet? |
| 15:32.44 | roboo | http://img430.imageshack.us/my.php?image=00013147ot.jpg |
| 15:32.44 | azeem | sussudio: can you please stop this? |
| 15:32.45 | Thanatermesis | roboo and your question ? |
| 15:32.53 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: see his screenshot |
| 15:32.56 | abrotman | pivot root .. dead! |
| 15:33.07 | sussudio | azeem: who are you? |
| 15:33.07 | abrotman | !sing g4lt |
| 15:33.08 | dpkg | sometimes he p4rks in h4ndic4pped sp4ces, while h4ndic4pped people m4ke h4ndic4pped f4ces, g4lt's 4n 4ssshoooole... |
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| 15:33.12 | abrotman | that's my favorite :) |
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| 15:33.25 | venatir | can someone tell me where can I find Kernel/User network link driver in 2.6 ?! |
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| 15:33.26 | sussudio | -!- Irssi: [roboo!n=tvtime@85.97.113.35]: dsl.dynamic859711335.ttnet.net.tr |
| 15:33.27 | sussudio | :-| |
| 15:33.29 | antgel | takatumi: nah, i'm working on a new version. osamu and javi are fixing the current one |
| 15:33.42 | abrotman | sussudio: db.debian.org will say who he is :0 |
| 15:33.43 | abrotman | :) |
| 15:33.49 | sussudio | db? |
| 15:33.55 | abrotman | it's a url |
| 15:33.58 | abrotman | you use a browser |
| 15:34.06 | abrotman | it downloads html .. and renders it for you |
| 15:34.08 | abrotman | it's fun |
| 15:34.09 | Thanatermesis | heh, nice shot... mmmh, pivot_root is dead abrotman ? o_O |
| 15:34.10 | sussudio | it probably looks like ass in links |
| 15:34.17 | Thanatermesis | i NEED pivot_root |
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| 15:34.26 | dorto | how to install java 5 in debian sarge? |
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| 15:34.34 | azeem | probably Joey Schulze did it, he never used X in his life, TTBOMK |
| 15:34.35 | abrotman | !tell dorto about install java |
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| 15:34.43 | antgel | !topicsmite dorto |
| 15:34.45 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon dorto. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 15:35.07 | roboo | abrotman what's mean of pivot root ? |
| 15:35.15 | Thanatermesis | this is a 90 % bot channel... needs another bot for call bot ask's :) |
| 15:35.15 | roboo | abrotman what can i do ? |
| 15:35.15 | dorto | haha |
| 15:35.24 | abrotman | roboo: i have no idea .. i've never seen that .. ask google "debian kernel pivot root" |
| 15:35.34 | roboo | asked but :s |
| 15:35.50 | Thanatermesis | roboo what you are trying to do ? |
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| 15:36.00 | dorto | i went through dpkg's help but let me go through it again |
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| 15:36.12 | sussudio | abrotman: db.debian.org doesn't look that interesting or informative. |
| 15:36.27 | dorto | ok , got it |
| 15:36.28 | abrotman | sussudio: search for azeem in the irc nick :) |
| 15:36.35 | sleon | thx for no help :))) |
| 15:36.37 | roboo | Thanatermesis i changed my hardwares only.. |
| 15:36.46 | sussudio | abrotman: yes, that tells me someone's preferred shell and ICQ UIN........ |
| 15:36.50 | sleon | i am still at same state as i was 3 hours before |
| 15:36.58 | sleon | and not suitable docs in internet |
| 15:36.58 | abrotman | sussudio: i'm gonna slug you :) |
| 15:37.00 | sleon | hmmm |
| 15:37.04 | widrone | roboo: It camplains about not being able to open dev/console too I see. |
| 15:37.04 | abrotman | sussudio: azeem is a DD .. |
| 15:37.08 | roboo | Thanatermesis i changed my mb, cpu, ram. my cpu was celeron and it's amd64 now |
| 15:37.19 | Thanatermesis | roboo diferent partition number of / ? |
| 15:37.29 | sussudio | abrotman: yes. it doesn't actually mention there what he does. |
| 15:37.34 | roboo | widrone yes.. how can i fix that ? |
| 15:37.35 | widrone | sleon: No docs on the internet? What you trying to do, boot debian on sgi ip30? |
| 15:37.52 | sleon | widrone, ntp.conf for local ntpd server |
| 15:37.53 | SammyTheSnake | I'm getting the "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" error (see /msg dpkg mmap) with aptitude, am I doing something wrong? |
| 15:38.02 | sussudio | !apt-mmap |
| 15:38.03 | dpkg | well, dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ The release notes tell you to use Aptitude, not apt-get, for Sarge upgrades. see <release notes> |
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| 15:38.22 | widrone | roboo: Any idea why It cant find it? What kernel you trying to boot? |
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| 15:38.44 | roboo | 2.4.27-2 |
| 15:38.45 | azeem | roboo: did you check your initrd is fine? |
| 15:38.49 | widrone | roboo: please read it as, stock debian kernel or hamemade. |
| 15:39.00 | roboo | azeem how will i check :s |
| 15:39.02 | abrotman | sussudio: you'd have to use qa.debian.org for that .. for some stupid reason |
| 15:39.07 | widrone | roboo: initrd stuff is not my ball but its a good lead |
| 15:39.09 | SammyTheSnake | sussudio: already did that months ago, just started getting the error again, but with Aptitude this time |
| 15:39.25 | sleon | and this is hilarious |
| 15:39.38 | sleon | in windows 2003 server there are no such problems ... |
| 15:39.39 | abrotman | sussudio: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=mbanck%40debian.org&comaint=yes .. feel better? |
| 15:40.00 | abrotman | azeem: sorry :) |
| 15:40.02 | widrone | roboo: Seems you try to pivot to a file or dir that it cant find... hm. |
| 15:40.04 | venatir | can someone tell me where can I find Kernel/User network link driver in 2.6 ?! |
| 15:40.18 | antgel | !moronsmite sleon |
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| 15:40.35 | sleon | antgel, what ? |
| 15:40.53 | sleon | typical debian channel ... no help at all only arrogant freaks |
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| 15:41.06 | widrone | sleon: Then maybe use that if you cant figure it out? |
| 15:41.09 | abrotman | typical german |
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| 15:42.00 | widrone | sleon: If you waited Id pull up a ntp.conf and read it to learn myself. But hey! Bye... |
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| 15:42.31 | dorto | i get this error: Loading plugins: blackdown-j2re.sh blackdown-j2sdk.sh common.sh ibm-j2re.sh ibm-j2sdk.sh j2re.sh j2sdk.sh j2se.sh sun-j2re.sh sun-j2sdk.sh |
| 15:42.40 | incorrect | i have an nfs mounted dir however i have an app that keeps writing to a file system underneath |
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| 15:42.52 | dorto | when i run: fakeroot make-jpkg jdk-*-linux-i586-rpm.bin |
| 15:43.00 | dorto | any hints? |
| 15:43.05 | abrotman | cbr: find anything ? |
| 15:43.10 | azeem | dorto: it doesn't look like an error to me |
| 15:43.12 | abrotman | dorto: not the RPM! |
| 15:43.13 | incorrect | if you ls the directory you get the nfs files but the app write to the local file system underneath |
| 15:43.18 | antgel | dorto: read the docs. you don't want the rpm |
| 15:43.20 | dorto | actual error: No matching plugin was found. |
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| 15:43.28 | dorto | ok :( |
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| 15:43.35 | abrotman | dorto: http://jdl.sun.com/webapps/download/AutoDL?BundleId=10274 |
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| 15:45.29 | dorto | ah, thx for the link abrotman |
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| 15:45.32 | morphje | small raid/lvm question. I want to mirror 2 150 partitions and use LVM. Should i software mirror the disks first and then create an LVM set or can i directly create an mirror set on my 2 partitions ? |
| 15:45.41 | dorto | i need to install jdk separately, right? |
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| 15:45.49 | abrotman | dorto: no .. |
| 15:45.54 | abrotman | !tell dorto about java-package |
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| 15:46.00 | antgel | dorto: have you even read the manual? |
| 15:46.05 | dorto | i can now directly install eclipse? |
| 15:46.14 | dorto | yes o.0 |
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| 15:46.22 | dorto | its not showing i guess :P |
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| 15:46.47 | jim | dorto: so according to the manual, what do you do next? |
| 15:46.49 | azeem | dorto: java-package will give you .debs out of the stuff you download. You install those, then whatever java programs you want |
| 15:47.01 | jim | [comprehension assessment :) ] |
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| 15:47.12 | dorto | the example(fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb;) only talks about jre |
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| 15:47.26 | jim | and? |
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| 15:47.30 | dorto | what i understand is i need to follow the same procedure for jdk 1.5 |
| 15:47.42 | jim | so you want to compile java? |
| 15:47.43 | cbr | abrotman: not really.. the site you suggested has the latest additions from 2002 and all the homepages are down and in #physics people said that there basically is no such program |
| 15:47.57 | fatal_ | venatir: the netlink driver isn't optional... it's always compiled into the kernel. |
| 15:48.03 | jim | er you want to compile programs written in java? |
| 15:48.12 | dorto | yes |
| 15:48.17 | jim | ok. |
| 15:48.21 | dorto | develop applications in java 1.5 |
| 15:48.21 | jim | then you are correct |
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| 15:48.26 | dorto | ok |
| 15:48.26 | jim | you want the jdk |
| 15:48.30 | abrotman | cbr: i think they migrated seul/edu to schoolforge |
| 15:48.34 | dorto | ok, thx |
| 15:48.42 | jim | but you -still- use make-jpkg |
| 15:48.48 | jim | or, you can |
| 15:48.49 | cbr | abrotman: i'll have a look |
| 15:48.53 | jim | (and probably should) |
| 15:48.53 | abrotman | http://www.schoolforge.net/ |
| 15:49.27 | abrotman | cbr: though .. i suppose the people in #physics would know better than I would |
| 15:49.52 | cbr | abrotman: schoolforge has a terrible interface :D |
| 15:49.59 | cbr | i cant find anything :p |
| 15:50.11 | abrotman | cbr: i didn't design it .. i just know it's there .. try the "Software Resources" |
| 15:50.18 | jim | dorto: how would you go about doing that? (and how would you find out if a particular j2 sdk works with make-jpkg?) |
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| 15:50.32 | abrotman | cbr: and you did try freshmeat? http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=vector§ion=projects&Go.x=0&Go.y=0 |
| 15:50.36 | dorto | i was searching for .bin version of jdk |
| 15:50.52 | dorto | i either find the windows version or the rpm :( |
| 15:50.57 | CodeWarrior_ | another one who can help me about bootsplash ? |
| 15:51.00 | abrotman | dorto: i gave you the URL!!!! |
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| 15:51.10 | dorto | nice link that was from abrotman for the jre atleast |
| 15:51.12 | asg | CodeWarrior_: did someone tell you to /msg dpkg bootsplash yet? |
| 15:51.20 | jim | yes... but still, how would you find out if that .bin (no, not rpm... that will likely not work with debian) |
| 15:51.27 | jim | will work? |
| 15:51.31 | abrotman | dorto: that was the JDK |
| 15:51.39 | antgel | jim: it's in the java-package docs |
| 15:51.44 | CodeWarrior_ | asg: not yet, let me try |
| 15:51.46 | jim | yes I know |
| 15:52.00 | jim | I'm doing comprehension strengthening |
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| 15:52.15 | dorto | abrotman: but it says jre_1_5_05_linux_i586 etc |
| 15:52.23 | antgel | jim: you're not strengthening mine :) |
| 15:52.24 | syntaxx | CodeWarrior_, you need a custom kernel that has been patch by bootsplash patch.. i tried it but i cant get it to work.. specially my kernel heh |
| 15:52.26 | dorto | and it is 16MB |
| 15:52.33 | abrotman | dorto: you're right |
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| 15:52.43 | jim | antgel: do you need that? :P |
| 15:52.45 | abrotman | dorto: https://sdlcweb3d.sun.com:443/ECom/EComActionServlet;jsessionid=3B8F8F37728DA567194435906EE22C54 |
| 15:52.50 | abrotman | bah .. stupid session IDs |
| 15:52.59 | ohad | i know this is #debian but does anyone know how to send a msg to prompt all clients from a windows server? |
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| 15:53.18 | stew | ohad: iirc, net help send |
| 15:53.18 | jim | what's windows? |
| 15:53.35 | CodeWarrior_ | syntaxx: I got it ok, but when I boot the graphical screen appears just few seconds and them the verbose mode is automatically called, in the shutdown process it works very fine until the end of the process |
| 15:53.40 | asg | ohad: winpopup |
| 15:53.44 | abrotman | dorto: java.sun.com ... right side click J2SE 5.0 .. find " JDK 5.0 Update 5 includes the JVM technology" .. click link .. get JDK in a self extracting .bin |
| 15:53.53 | abrotman | ohad: net send |
| 15:54.00 | syntaxx | CodeWarrior_, i see.. have u tried the silent thing? |
| 15:54.04 | abrotman | !u |
| 15:54.04 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 15:54.15 | syntaxx | opps sorry :D |
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| 15:54.20 | CodeWarrior_ | syntaxx: yes |
| 15:54.23 | jim | :P quick on the draw :P |
| 15:54.39 | stew | dorto: you can apt-get a jdk from debian-unofficial.org |
| 15:54.42 | ohad | asg, winopop will send a msg to everyone? |
| 15:54.45 | abrotman | jim: sorry |
| 15:54.50 | CodeWarrior_ | syntaxx: it starts working very fine, but I don't know why it turns to verbose automatically |
| 15:54.50 | jim | np :) |
| 15:55.07 | syntaxx | CodeWarrior_, hmm.. sorry i havent tried it myself =\ |
| 15:55.11 | jim | it's when I'm not here that it's not useful |
| 15:55.14 | chealer | hehe, something made my keyboard unplug while I was running sarge. later I rebooted the box after a crash and it couldn't detect the keyboard |
| 15:55.14 | asg | ohad: not sure, I don't run windows. |
| 15:55.18 | dorto | stew: is there 1.5 version on it? |
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| 15:55.21 | stew | dorto: yes |
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| 15:55.28 | CodeWarrior_ | syntaxx: thanks same way friend |
| 15:55.29 | jim | I wouldhn't be able to tell if someone's trying to get to me |
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| 15:55.44 | chealer | didn't realize you could plug a PS/2 keyboard in the mouse's plug :) |
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| 15:56.39 | asg | chealer: the ports used to be interchangable (at least on some of my older machines) |
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| 15:57.32 | chealer | asg, I guess at least the BIOS doesn't support it |
| 15:57.39 | chealer | it's an nForce2 |
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| 15:57.56 | chealer | (you see the crash starting to explain) |
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| 15:58.21 | dorto | abrotman: that was another great link. my java problems are solved :) |
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| 15:58.40 | asg | chealer: *nod* |
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| 15:58.47 | abrotman | dorto: ok |
| 15:58.54 | dorto | stew: i will try the apt-get option on my brother's system. |
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| 15:59.20 | dorto | haha |
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| 15:59.48 | dorto | s/is/is in |
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| 16:00.01 | stew | !start a language war |
| 16:00.01 | dpkg | Pascal is better than ML |
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| 16:00.34 | sussudio | it is |
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| 16:00.41 | chealer | no way, COBOL rules |
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| 16:01.03 | sussudio | cobol is for grandpa's |
| 16:01.18 | chealer | COLOB=RULES |
| 16:01.24 | jim | who made serious money |
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| 16:01.43 | chealer | even debian only /rules |
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| 16:01.57 | ircdevil | is there some terminal with more colors than xterm? |
| 16:01.57 | asg | nah, Cleveland Rocks |
| 16:02.08 | Chance | how can i load the mysql module in /etc/apache/modules.conf ? |
| 16:02.20 | asg | Chance: which module? |
| 16:02.26 | Chance | the mysql one |
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| 16:02.27 | jim | the |
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| 16:02.42 | asg | Chance: which package? |
| 16:02.43 | Inv_arp | whats the search string in apt for the glibc development packages? |
| 16:02.48 | stew | Chance: there are a bunch of different mysql modules dpeending on what you are looking for |
| 16:02.59 | asg | Inv_arp: -- libc -dev |
| 16:03.00 | stew | Chance: mysql loggin? php+mysql? |
| 16:03.02 | Chance | stea the one that fixes this error: Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in |
| 16:03.04 | ircdevil | Chance: edit httpd.conf and restart apache server |
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| 16:03.10 | Chance | php+ mysql i guess |
| 16:03.13 | asg | Chance: that's php. |
| 16:03.14 | stew | Chance: apt-get install php4-mysql |
| 16:03.20 | Chance | already have that |
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| 16:03.35 | jim | so then what's the problem? |
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| 16:03.42 | Inv_arp | asg: thx |
| 16:03.44 | abrotman | it's not enabled somewhere |
| 16:03.45 | stew | Chance: make sure you have an uncommented extension=mysql.so in /etc/php/apache[2]/php.ini |
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| 16:03.47 | asg | Chance: verify 'extension=mysql.so' exists in /etc/php4/apache/php.ini |
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| 16:04.31 | asg | Inv_arp: the base build environment is provided by the 'build-essential' virtual package (if that's what you are looking for.) |
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| 16:05.43 | Chance | that was the problem |
| 16:05.46 | Chance | forgot about that one |
| 16:05.48 | Chance | thanks |
| 16:05.49 | Ungy | how can I change my default browser in GNOME? |
| 16:05.51 | Chance | g`day |
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| 16:05.54 | ircdevil | xterm factiod is my favorite |
| 16:05.58 | ircdevil | !xterm |
| 16:05.58 | dpkg | it has been said that xterm is the X terminal emulator and that's all it does: It emulates a terminal under X. Once you get used to the shell, you will start to feel somewhat limited in your actions when you only have a mouse to click at things. That's why so many Unix users don't like Windows (well, that and the "big evil corporation" thing...). I bet that in six months from now, "GUI" will mean "four xterms and a background picture" to you. ... |
| 16:06.05 | asg | Ungy: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 16:06.05 | Inv_arp | asg: ahhh k |
| 16:06.10 | ircdevil | the part about four xterms and a background pic |
| 16:06.22 | snail | OOo 2.0 is out on the torrents! |
| 16:06.24 | Ungy | asg thanks |
| 16:06.33 | sandman | Is there a way to use apt-build to build packages statically? |
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| 16:06.38 | asg | Ungy: that might work. I don't run gnome so I can't confirm it. It should do though. |
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| 16:06.44 | cheal | snail: ...already? |
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| 16:07.08 | cheal | snail: it's not out |
| 16:07.11 | asg | ircdevil: eventually, the background picture goes away too |
| 16:07.40 | jim | sandman: you have to edit the build system for the package |
| 16:07.41 | Ungy | asg worked perfectly thanks |
| 16:07.45 | asg | Ungy: you're welcome |
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| 16:07.55 | snail | cheal: http://borft.student.utwente.nl:6969/ has it, and that's the official bittorrent site for OOo ... |
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| 16:07.56 | cheal | you only have *one* favorite factoid? |
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| 16:08.15 | azeem | asg,Ungy: some GNOME stuff will listen to gnome-default-applications-properties |
| 16:08.17 | jim | !cooperation in asking for help |
| 16:08.18 | dpkg | somebody said cooperation in asking for help was trying to give as much relevent information as possible and reading cited documentation. Ask me about SICCO and research. abbreviated as cia |
| 16:08.28 | jim | that's one of my favs :) |
| 16:08.29 | cheal | snail: I doubt that's a stable 2.0 |
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| 16:08.32 | ircdevil | asg: i still like mine - well the parts not covered by the 4 xterms |
| 16:08.37 | sandman | jim: I can't just take the source raw, and debianize it, add static flags, then build it? |
| 16:08.39 | azeem | s/some GNOME/most GNOME/, I guess |
| 16:08.53 | cheal | !greenhouse |
| 16:08.54 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 16:09.03 | asg | hah |
| 16:09.11 | jim | sandman: why would you do that if it's already debianized? or is it? |
| 16:09.12 | incorrect | this is so strange, my app reads from the nfs share, but writes beneth it |
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| 16:09.30 | incorrect | will a reboot sort this? |
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| 16:09.46 | asg | incorrect: or unmounting the share and remounting it perhaps |
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| 16:09.54 | incorrect | asg, tried that |
| 16:09.57 | incorrect | its a java app |
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| 16:10.10 | sandman | jim: It's not debianized |
| 16:10.12 | incorrect | you see it reads and writes on one nfs share |
| 16:10.16 | incorrect | however i made a new one |
| 16:10.20 | jim | sandman: ohh, ok |
| 16:10.28 | incorrect | and mounted it, everything was ok |
| 16:10.32 | asg | incorrect: oh, you mounted a new one on an old one without mounting the old one? |
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| 16:10.38 | stew | incorrect: is it writing to a file that it opened before the nfs was mounted? |
| 16:10.40 | incorrect | but the app reads from the NFS but writes behind it |
| 16:10.40 | jim | then yeah, you'll have to debianize it if you want a debian package of it |
| 16:10.44 | asg | *unmounting the old one |
| 16:10.52 | incorrect | stew, i stopped the java app |
| 16:11.01 | incorrect | remounted the nfs share |
| 16:11.03 | jim | you'll need debhelper and probably dh-make |
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| 16:11.10 | stew | java rulez |
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| 16:11.21 | incorrect | and it made new files and directories behind the nfs share on the local fs |
| 16:11.53 | jim | incorrect: that's really weird... it shouldn't do that |
| 16:12.09 | incorrect | jim, yeah i know it shouldn't ;) |
| 16:12.24 | incorrect | it writes to a different share |
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| 16:12.55 | jim | even if the app was started before you did mounting, it should go to the new place... if it doesn't that would seem to be a kernel bug |
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| 16:13.16 | jim | on the OTHER hand... |
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| 16:13.21 | stew | incorrect: you could strace it, i guess, but that would probably be a mess |
| 16:13.35 | incorrect | stew, tried |
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| 16:13.38 | incorrect | it wass a mess |
| 16:13.39 | sayonara | hi folks |
| 16:13.40 | jim | if the app's CWD was inside a dir under the nfs when it was started... |
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| 16:13.48 | sayonara | how can i set the keyboard layout on tty? |
| 16:13.58 | stew | sayonara: /msg dpkg keymap |
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| 16:14.42 | ircdevil | is it possible to have a html file rendered in hi-resolution somehow? |
| 16:14.44 | incorrect | i am wondering if the box needs a reboot |
| 16:14.50 | sayonara | stew: thanks buddy :) |
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| 16:15.52 | Ireul | hi |
| 16:16.21 | Ireul | please I've got a problem with i2c-matrox and text console on debian 3.1a |
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| 16:17.19 | melay | hi, has someone any idea, why my isdnlog sometimes shows unknown outgoing number and sometimes not? |
| 16:17.36 | dentifrice | is there any way to put /boot on a soft RAID-5 partition? |
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| 16:17.47 | sandman | jim: It simply has to do with the fact that backporting a package and compiling it static should be at least a little easier |
| 16:17.47 | dentifrice | I can't get my way through the debian-installer, which refuses to install grub on RAID |
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| 16:18.09 | antgel | dentifrice: afaik linux can only boot from RAID-1. create /boot on RAID-1, and / on RAID-5. |
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| 16:18.26 | jim | sandman: backporting? so it -has- been debianized |
| 16:18.29 | sandman | jim: I wanted to have a chroot running etch/sid that I could apt-get source the packages, grab the tbz from the dir that automatically created, re-debianize it, edit some flags to have it compiled static, and then dpkg -i the package into the top-level root environment |
| 16:18.31 | dentifrice | antgel: shit! didn't know that... |
| 16:18.40 | sandman | jim: CORRECT, but I don't want to have to run thru all the deps |
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| 16:18.52 | sandman | jim: I just want to have to make hte one package and install it on the toplevel rootfs |
| 16:18.56 | dentifrice | antgel: but that means partitionning my RAID-5 devices, which I don't want to |
| 16:18.57 | Thanatermesis | not exist any good program for learn "type" in linux? :/ |
| 16:18.58 | jim | you should check how this works :) |
| 16:19.02 | sandman | jim: You see what I mean? |
| 16:19.04 | dentifrice | could I get away with installing /boot on a USB-key? |
| 16:19.08 | sandman | jim: I'm familiar with backporting as it is |
| 16:19.12 | asg | Thanatermesis: makin bacon teaches typing |
| 16:19.12 | stew | sandman: out of curiosity, why do you want to build it statically? |
| 16:19.22 | darkness | Hi, i want to get a large file from someone.Whats the best way? load vsftpd and use ftp? |
| 16:19.22 | sandman | jim: I already have a system of using gentoo to make tbz packages after compiling (it doesn't install), then using alien |
| 16:19.30 | sandman | And of course, I'd be compiling all packages as static |
| 16:19.39 | sandman | stew: So I don't have to worry about runtime dependencies |
| 16:19.52 | sandman | stew: Just to reduce the number of packages I must manually install a little bit |
| 16:20.01 | jim | right, instead you'll be worryuing about disk and ram space :) |
| 16:20.08 | asg | Thanatermesis: tuxtype - Educational Typing Tutor Game Starring Tux |
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| 16:20.25 | jim | typist |
| 16:20.28 | Ireul | please I've got a problem with matrox G400 and framebuffer |
| 16:20.58 | stew | Ireul: ask a questoin /msg dpkg sicco ; /msg dpkg smart questions ; tell us what is hapening... |
| 16:21.29 | Thanatermesis | asg "tuxtype" its a game... but not good for "really learn"... and i cant posible to compile makinbakon, not compiles with strange errors of the code :/ |
| 16:21.38 | bassMonkey | When I login to my proftpd server (Sarge) from my winxp-workstation there is a delay of about 5 secs not present when logging in from the server itself, is there any well-known reson for this? |
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| 16:21.59 | jim | typist |
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| 16:22.11 | asg | Thanatermesis: it's an educational game that, according to the description, has higher levels that are challenging. Or use typist as jim suggests. |
| 16:22.22 | stew | dvorak7min! |
| 16:22.27 | asg | hehehe |
| 16:23.11 | asg | bassMonkey: reverse dns lookup issue, ident check failure, etc. |
| 16:23.25 | stew | jeez, wilma is a cat5 hurricaine now |
| 16:23.29 | thingfish | all I'm finding is gtypist |
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| 16:23.40 | asg | stew: largest in the Atlantic ever recorded |
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| 16:23.49 | thingfish | yes, it's scary. |
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| 16:24.29 | thingfish | you know everyone in the southeast U.S. is probably reconsidering their choice to live down there in hurricane-ville. |
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| 16:25.36 | abrotman | thingfish: i want to move down there :) |
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| 16:25.58 | asg | no you don't, you'll miss grinders |
| 16:26.05 | abrotman | no .. i won't |
| 16:26.09 | abrotman | i know how to make my own |
| 16:26.10 | asg | yes you will |
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| 16:26.31 | JonathanC | help |
| 16:26.33 | stew | you'll miss yeungling |
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| 16:26.40 | asg | stew: we have that down here |
| 16:27.05 | asg | stew: $7.99 for 12 bottles. On draught in most bars |
| 16:27.05 | stew | damn, why, its crap |
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| 16:27.12 | asg | stew: he likes it |
| 16:27.17 | stew | i know |
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| 16:27.49 | Thanatermesis | gtypist looks nice :) |
| 16:27.50 | syntaxx | can i just remove the ISDN support if im on wifi? |
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| 16:29.05 | dentifrice | what steps are recquired for installin grub on a USB-key? |
| 16:29.28 | dentifrice | I mounted my RAID-5 fs in /target from d-i, then mounted my USB-key as boot after copying /boot contents into it, |
| 16:29.35 | dentifrice | and grub-install /dev/sda seems to hang |
| 16:29.47 | antgel | dentifrice: what do you mean partitioning your raid-5 devices? doesn't make sens |
| 16:29.51 | antgel | +e |
| 16:30.04 | dentifrice | antgel: I merged all 4 disks into a RAID-5 array |
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| 16:30.09 | dentifrice | antgel: with just one partition |
| 16:30.15 | row | does anyone know of any issues of install php4 and php5 via apt, want to run .php as php4 and .php5 as php5? |
| 16:30.20 | antgel | dentifrice: then reinstall and fix your broken partition scheme |
| 16:30.21 | dentifrice | didin't leave space for a RAID-1 /boot or somthin |
| 16:30.28 | stew | row: the cannot currently co-exist |
| 16:30.41 | dentifrice | antgel: I can't - it's taken 4-hours to sync already |
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| 16:30.44 | row | stew: even if I compile php5 myself? |
| 16:30.49 | stew | !conflicts libapache-mod-php4 |
| 16:30.53 | dentifrice | antgel: ain't that possible to do boot on another device? |
| 16:31.09 | stew | row: maybe? i don't konw what the reasoning is behind making them conflict |
| 16:31.14 | bibe | is there a way to monitor which programs are currently using swap memory and which are using ram? I had my system using all (512M) memory and ~600M (out of 1G) of swap, then I killed mozilla-firefox and now I'm at 218/512M RAM and 268/1024M swap |
| 16:31.26 | row | <row> conflicts libapache-mod-php4 |
| 16:31.26 | row | dpkg Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 16:31.26 | row | dpkg libapache-mod-php4: does not conflict with any other package |
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| 16:31.46 | stew | !conflicts libapache-mod-php6 |
| 16:31.46 | Ireul | please I've got a problem with matrox G400 and framebuffer |
| 16:31.47 | stew | ugh |
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| 16:31.55 | stew | row: php5 conflicts with php4 then |
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| 16:32.07 | dpkg | libapache-mod-php4: php3 |
| 16:32.07 | row | dpkg libapache-mod-php5: php3, php4 (<< 4:4.3.8-6), libapache-mod-php4 |
| 16:32.08 | row | indeed |
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| 16:32.21 | stephan__ | servus |
| 16:32.48 | stephan__ | my debian spaks wlan! :) |
| 16:32.49 | bibe | Ireul : what kind of problem? The same you were asking 5-10 minutes ago? |
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| 16:33.44 | stephan__ | is everyone here? |
| 16:33.44 | joris_ | I'm looking for a way to fetch a file from the network (server protocol doesn't matter), and streamingly pipe it to a local comand (without buffering it in the mem - it's for very big files) (eg, somegetcmd |tar xvf) |
| 16:34.02 | bbrazil | joris_: nc, ssh |
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| 16:34.39 | joris_ | bbrazil: I forgot, something that does not add encryption, and is usable for multiple concurrent fetches (multiple clients fetching from one server) |
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| 16:34.50 | stew | joris_: wget -O - |
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| 16:35.30 | bretzel | Hello :-) Where to get KDE-3.4.3 stuff ???? ( need the deb repo ) |
| 16:35.32 | joris_ | stew: wget buffers, I just tested |
| 16:35.33 | Mo3 | is it possible to "link" an interface with a proxy server? |
| 16:35.42 | joris_ | stew: unless cat is the one doign the buffering |
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| 16:36.02 | Mo3 | so all traffic from the interface goes directly to the proxy |
| 16:36.04 | asg | joris_: you could probably setup inetd to run a wrapper that just cats a file to stdout |
| 16:36.35 | stew | joris_: nc then |
| 16:37.01 | joris_ | stew: nc exits after one transfer, and apparantly can't do multiple ones at once |
| 16:37.18 | bretzel | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:37.26 | cheal | bretzel: ask #debian-kde |
| 16:37.38 | bretzel | cheat: oh! thanks ! :-) |
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| 16:37.59 | joris_ | asg: that could do it |
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| 16:38.52 | Isumi | Hi |
| 16:39.12 | Isumi | does someone have a freecom 250GB classical hard drive? |
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| 16:39.25 | asg | classical hard drive? |
| 16:39.26 | sussudio | Isumi: NO! you are the only one who bought one! |
| 16:39.41 | Isumi | *classic hard drive |
| 16:39.50 | Ireul | please I've got a problem with matrox G400 and framebuffer, I got a totally messed console screen |
| 16:39.53 | asg | 250G doesn't sound like classic anything, more modern. 10M sounds like classic. |
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| 16:40.13 | sussudio | asg: maybe it's a closet filled with 10MB drives |
| 16:40.25 | Isumi | it's an usb hard drive, but it seems i cant mount it |
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| 16:40.37 | asg | sussudio: maybe classic describes the wood finished cabinet. |
| 16:40.42 | sussudio | Isumi: here's an idea. use google. |
| 16:40.47 | asg | Isumi: what error do you get when you try to mount it? |
| 16:41.07 | asg | Isumi: have you followed the steps (/msg dpkg usb-storage) |
| 16:41.15 | Isumi | it doesnt appear in /dev |
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| 16:41.24 | Isumi | there are messages like "[4295000.927000] scsi1 (0:0): rejecting I/O to device being removed" |
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| 16:41.33 | sussudio | asg: it's too much to ask of people to use google or read the FAQ. |
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| 16:41.55 | sussudio | !faq |
| 16:41.55 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 16:42.05 | asg | Isumi: first, follow the steps (/msg dpkg usb-storage). If, after following those steps, you still get an error. Let us know. |
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| 16:42.38 | sussudio | the purple on the FAQ page... it hurts |
| 16:43.10 | stew | i agree |
| 16:43.11 | asg | sussudio: I see it as pink *shrug* |
| 16:43.45 | sussudio | asg: very purple here. |
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| 16:43.51 | Isumi | asg i dont have the module sd_mod, but sr_mod. is it important? |
| 16:44.04 | Isumi | or maybe it is in the kernel, not a module |
| 16:44.05 | asg | Isumi: are you using a custom kernel? |
| 16:44.08 | Isumi | yes |
| 16:44.09 | stew | its important |
| 16:44.16 | antgel | Isumi: use a kernel-image |
| 16:44.32 | asg | Isumi: then recompile with support or use a debian image |
| 16:44.36 | stew | Isumi: sd_mod is "scsi disk support" |
| 16:44.47 | Isumi | debian image doesnt work with my sata hard drive |
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| 16:45.30 | antgel | Isumi: is your kernel built based on a debian config? |
| 16:45.45 | Isumi | asg: it's y in my .conffg |
| 16:45.47 | Isumi | .config |
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| 16:46.20 | syntaxx | im having this error at the end of my new kernel compilation drivers/char/drm/gamma_drv.c and mostly all in char/drm what do i need to check? |
| 16:46.20 | antgel | Isumi: when you plug the drive in, does it get allocated in /dev? |
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| 16:46.42 | Isumi | yes, for a very short time, but then there is an error and it disappears |
| 16:46.49 | Isumi | and it starts again |
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| 16:47.06 | antgel | Isumi: did you not think to tell us that at the start? what error? |
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| 16:47.26 | Isumi | i said it, "[4295000.927000] scsi1 (0:0): rejecting I/O to device being removed" |
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| 16:47.42 | antgel | Isumi: *nod* apologies |
| 16:47.44 | rzr | hi |
| 16:47.51 | rzr | any fetchyahoo users here ? |
| 16:48.02 | syntaxx | im having this error at the end of my new kernel compilation drivers/char/drm/gamma_drv.c and mostly all in char/drm what do i need to check? |
| 16:48.06 | Isumi | before that i have the message "[4294995.826000] usb 5-1: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 3" |
| 16:48.15 | antgel | Isumi: looks like odd hardware. try another usb hard drive? try that drive in another box? |
| 16:48.21 | Frosted | Anyone know if theres a syntax for port in .ssh/known_hosts? |
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| 16:49.22 | dobby_ | does someone of you guys has experience with the kolab2 on debian? |
| 16:49.36 | asg | dobby_: #debian-kde might |
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| 16:49.49 | dobby_ | ok thanks |
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| 16:50.03 | Isumi | antgel: well i'll try it... i wanted to know if someone here had the same hard drive, but it seems not... |
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| 16:50.40 | asg | Frosted: check sshd(8) (SSH_KNOWN_HOSTS FILE FORMAT) |
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| 16:51.25 | hqs | so glad that i succeed in installing the ati's driver for my amd64 version debian :) |
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| 16:53.12 | Mithsir | Hi! Its me again with the broken network interface - does anyone remember me? |
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| 16:54.03 | Mithsir | anyways, the error has occured again. One of my network interfaces doesn't do anymore. It can be fixed with ifup+ifdown, but maybe someone can give me a hint on howto find the error... |
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| 16:56.16 | asg | Mithsir: does /var/log/kern.log or dmesg show any errors generated by the nic or kernel |
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| 16:56.20 | antgel | Mithsir: check the logs. is it dhcp? if so, perhaps the dhclient isn't working |
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| 16:56.42 | Mithsir | asg, nope |
| 16:56.46 | brosioz | anyone known a usa network ? |
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| 16:57.03 | asg | brosioz: why? |
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| 16:57.05 | Mithsir | antgel, no, fixed ip |
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| 16:57.34 | Mithsir | when I try to ping, tcpdump shows me lots of unanswered arp requests. |
| 16:57.49 | brosioz | asg, i need to chat with people about a city near miami |
| 16:57.49 | asg | Mithsir: hmmm, someone arp spoofing you? |
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| 16:58.22 | Mithsir | asg. dunno, might be. how can I find out? |
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| 16:58.43 | asg | Mithsir: are you using managed switches? |
| 16:58.53 | brosioz | ettercap rox :D |
| 16:58.56 | brosioz | use it |
| 16:59.02 | brosioz | to find if anyone else |
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| 16:59.23 | brosioz | in the network is making arp poisoning .D |
| 16:59.30 | Mithsir | asg, not sure, we might. the switches are not my business :-) |
| 16:59.59 | Mithsir | asg, is there a way to find that out by software? |
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| 17:00.09 | asg | Mithsir: ettercap maybe as suggested above. |
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| 17:00.32 | elvirolo | hi |
| 17:00.32 | asg | Mithsir: if you know all the MAC addresses of machines on your subnet, you could add them to /etc/ethers and see if that helps |
| 17:00.39 | elvirolo | does anyone know a good debian forum ? |
| 17:00.50 | Mithsir | asg, can't install it right now w/o doing ifup+ifdown (which fixes the problem) |
| 17:00.52 | asg | elvirolo: debianhelp.net |
| 17:01.23 | asg | Mithsir: well, you could ask the switch guys to look at their arp tables and see if they are seeing anything odd. |
| 17:01.23 | Mithsir | asg, did you keep in mind that the problem is fixed by ifdown/ifupping the device? |
| 17:01.42 | elvirolo | asg: thanks |
| 17:01.43 | Mithsir | can it be a spoof attac then? |
| 17:01.51 | asg | Mithsir: yes |
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| 17:02.19 | asg | Mithsir: maybe. Hard to say without looking at the switch arp tables and other network info |
| 17:02.24 | Mithsir | asg, how come? what exactly does the ifdown/up thing change in respect of an arp attac? |
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| 17:03.01 | asg | Mithsir: it should clear the arp tables on the machine |
| 17:03.31 | asg | Mithsir: type 'sudo arp' ; stop and start the interface ; type 'sudo arp' again. See if it does clear things out. |
| 17:03.46 | Mithsir | I just took a look at ifconfig output - it seems we're not on a managed switch, because all external interfaces on all servers have collisions... |
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| 17:04.03 | asg | Mithsir: that is another problem entirely :) |
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| 17:04.14 | antgel | Mithsir: is route filtering on? /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/rp_filter |
| 17:04.17 | brosioz | anyone known a usa network ? |
| 17:04.19 | asg | Mithsir: that makes me think you are on hubs and not switches at all. |
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| 17:04.32 | antgel | Mithsir: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/rp_filter, that is |
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| 17:04.36 | tchmnkyz | brosioz what one you want? |
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| 17:05.14 | brosioz | one :°D |
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| 17:05.22 | Mithsir | antgel, rpfilter=1 |
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| 17:05.42 | Mithsir | asg, yeah, maybe we're on hubs |
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| 17:06.27 | syntaxx | im having this error at the end of my new kernel compilation drivers/char/drm/gamma_drv.c and mostly all in char/drm what do i need to check? |
| 17:06.34 | tchmnkyz | SBC Theplanet, TwTc, Cogent, ATT, Sprint, Verizon, Above, MCI/worldcom |
| 17:06.39 | tchmnkyz | they all have US networks |
| 17:06.47 | antgel | Mithsir: i thought that that protected against ip spoofing. perhaps i'm wrong. |
| 17:06.52 | HeLpSysTeM | where to find etch netinstaller |
| 17:06.52 | Mithsir | antgel, so route filtering is on (good?) |
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| 17:07.01 | Mithsir | hmm |
| 17:07.44 | Mithsir | so what might be the reasons for arp-requests not being replied to (keeping in mind that ifdown/up fixes the whole thing)? |
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| 17:09.37 | Techdeck | hey, I got 3 NICs cards, one for my modem, one for another comp, and one for a wireless router, in the wireless router setting I set the router to use that comp as the router for its connection, but it will only work when I connect the wireless router to eth0, when I try it as eth1 no luck and the same goes for eth2... any ideas? |
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| 17:09.41 | asg | HeLpSysTeM: www.debian.org/CD |
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| 17:10.22 | asg | Techdeck: you'll need to NAT or masquerade the packets coming from the router and route them through eth0. Look at the NAT HOWTO at tldp.org |
| 17:10.25 | Techdeck | eth0 = other comp, eth1 = adsl modem, eth2 = wireless router |
| 17:10.30 | Techdeck | I did asg |
| 17:10.45 | Techdeck | /sbin/iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 17:10.54 | Techdeck | thats what I ran, is that okay? |
| 17:11.09 | asg | Techdeck: did you turn on ip_forward in /proc/sys/net/ipv4 |
| 17:11.13 | Techdeck | yes |
| 17:11.17 | Techdeck | echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 17:11.39 | Techdeck | one comp is getting the net connection fine |
| 17:11.43 | Techdeck | only the wireless router doesn't |
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| 17:11.53 | Techdeck | for some odd reason, it did work when it was on eth0 though |
| 17:11.55 | Techdeck | I don't get it :\ |
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| 17:12.45 | Techdeck | any thoughts |
| 17:12.57 | asg | Techdeck: what is ppp0 in this case, I though you had 3 ethers? |
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| 17:13.08 | Techdeck | yes, 3 ethers, and ppp0 is not a real interface |
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| 17:13.13 | Techdeck | the ppp script created it |
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| 17:13.17 | Techdeck | it connected through eth1 (the modem) |
| 17:13.20 | asg | Techdeck: okay, just making sure |
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| 17:13.27 | Techdeck | its my output interface |
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| 17:14.00 | asg | Techdeck: this might be better off in #iptables. Have you asked there? |
| 17:14.16 | Techdeck | not really, I didn't think it was a firewall issue |
| 17:14.19 | Techdeck | hmm |
| 17:14.21 | Techdeck | lemme ask |
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| 17:14.31 | Mithsir | well, just did the ifdown/up and everything works... just a matter of how long :-( |
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| 17:17.04 | md5sum | anybody know if there's a flash player plugin for epiphany? |
| 17:17.29 | Ungy | md5sum, I woudl assume the mozilla one would work |
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| 17:18.06 | md5sum | k |
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| 17:20.14 | abrotman | md5sum: probably the same as the others |
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| 17:20.56 | alundra | hello |
| 17:21.00 | nksen | `anyone can give me a two-word explanation of what the initrd-image for prepacked kernels is for? ok, you might want to use some more words :) but all the xplanations in the web are so long that I lose the point |
| 17:21.20 | antgel | nksen: booting up |
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| 17:21.30 | sgeigerbot | nksen: loading modules |
| 17:21.32 | alundra | which other mail server exept exim can i take with apt ? |
| 17:21.41 | asg | nksen: allows you to have modules for things that are required to boot |
| 17:21.45 | antgel | alundra: why don't you search with apt-cache |
| 17:21.50 | Zugschlus | alundra: all others |
| 17:21.54 | sgeigerbot | asg: You used too many words. |
| 17:21.57 | asg | nksen: like your root filesystem or fiber channel drivers |
| 17:22.01 | alundra | Zugschlus... |
| 17:22.13 | alundra | antgel how can i know which is mail server ? |
| 17:22.15 | nksen | so to load modules for essential stuff that is not compiled into the kernel |
| 17:22.23 | asg | nksen: right |
| 17:22.25 | Zugschlus | alundra: look for Provides: mail-transport-agent |
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| 17:22.27 | asg | sgeigerbot: there, one word |
| 17:22.46 | antgel | Zugschlus: much better than my possible sarcasm :) |
| 17:22.48 | alundra | oki thks Zugschlus |
| 17:22.53 | sgeigerbot | nksen: Since the prepackaged kernel is very generic, it has to be able to use a wide variety of modules. the initrd allows more modules to be loaded... |
| 17:23.06 | sgeigerbot | asg: Good job. |
| 17:23.10 | nksen | more than without initrd image? |
| 17:23.24 | sgeigerbot | nksen: Good question. |
| 17:23.27 | sgeigerbot | nksen: Not sure. |
| 17:23.29 | md5sum | is there a browser that isn't QT based, but uses something along the lines of konqueror's web shortcuts (eg "gg:foo" searches google, etc)? |
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| 17:23.43 | asg | nksen: the kernel can only be so large (or at least that used to be the case. I'm not sure if it is now) |
| 17:23.46 | sgeigerbot | Anyone know? |
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| 17:23.49 | antgel | md5sum: is firefox qt-based? |
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| 17:23.52 | markl__ | is anyone here familiar with NFS issues between a linux client & solaris server? |
| 17:24.01 | antgel | !tell markl__ about vague |
| 17:24.06 | md5sum | antgel: no, but I don't believe it incorporates that kind of stuff in the url bar |
| 17:24.12 | nksen | and the file on the harddisk is about 3MB. what's in this file? or is it just the size the ramdisk on bootup is? |
| 17:24.12 | stew | md5sum: it does |
| 17:24.15 | antgel | md5sum: you believe wrong |
| 17:24.17 | md5sum | stew: really? swet |
| 17:24.20 | md5sum | sweet even |
| 17:24.31 | md5sum | I feel stupid now... lol |
| 17:24.37 | stew | md5sum: when you create a bookmark you can give it a "gg" "keyword" then "gg foo" will google for foo |
| 17:24.40 | antgel | !tell md5sum about lol |
| 17:24.41 | antgel | lol |
| 17:24.49 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:24.51 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:25.12 | nksen | ok, thx a lot asg, sgeigerbot |
| 17:25.12 | antgel | only on irc... |
| 17:25.17 | asg | haven't seen that in a while, that used to be peterS's hallmark |
| 17:25.20 | stew | yeah |
| 17:25.21 | md5sum | heheh |
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| 17:25.33 | md5sum | stew: ahhhhh that makes sense.. thanks |
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| 17:25.48 | antgel | hmm, thunder, lightening. no girlfriend. great. :( |
| 17:26.06 | stew | md5sum: even better, iirc there is a right click menu item to create the keyword bookmark |
| 17:26.15 | stew | md5sum: "add a keyword for this search" |
| 17:26.18 | beardy | antgel: Life is smiling ain't it.. |
| 17:27.02 | TNKS | hi everyone. I recently noticed that I'm getting a bunch of messages about "untrusted" packages from aptitude (which I generally run from the commandline). I'm not sure where these warnings are coming from. The packages in question are generally just Debian packages from the standard mirror. I /did/ change my /apt/preferences file, but I didn't think it was that big of a change. |
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| 17:27.10 | TNKS | Any pointers? |
| 17:27.14 | stew | TNKS: /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 17:27.15 | asg | TNKS: /msg dpkg apt secure |
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| 17:27.26 | asg | stew wins by a nose |
| 17:27.26 | md5sum | stew: do you know the symbol it uses to put your terms inside the url? |
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| 17:27.42 | stew | md5sum: %s |
| 17:27.48 | md5sum | stew: thanks :) |
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| 17:28.13 | abrotman | antgel: got a story for you |
| 17:28.19 | TNKS | stew, asg, thanks. |
| 17:28.35 | antgel | abrotman: i'm all ears |
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| 17:29.11 | JJK | Hello, I'm trying to set up User mode linux with Debian, but I always get an error about wrong rights for /dev/net/tun . Every time I set them, and reboot, they're gone. How can I fix this? |
| 17:29.13 | abrotman | antgel: today i went to pick up my lunch .. and there's a little shelf where they leave take-out orders .. and one says "Turkey hoagie, no lettuce(I don't care what else goes on a hoagie but absolutely NO lettuce) |
| 17:29.15 | abrotman | " |
| 17:29.27 | abrotman | end of line |
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| 17:30.19 | Lutin_Triste | 12313211231<12313 |
| 17:30.26 | asg | abrotman: they actually wrote 'I don't care what else goes on a hoagie but...' on the ticket? |
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| 17:30.36 | asg | Lutin_Triste: #math is over there |
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| 17:31.44 | md5sum | learn somethin' new every day :D |
| 17:31.47 | antgel | abrotman: that was mine. or if i knew what a hoagie was and ordered one, that's what mine would have said :) i had a club sandwich today, with that bacon that has the texture of hard plastic that crumbles |
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| 17:32.24 | md5sum | antgel: always go with a reuben... it's hard to make a reuben wrong |
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| 17:32.57 | asg | md5sum: there is always some place here in the South that will bugger up a Reuben |
| 17:32.59 | antgel | md5sum: you clearly don't have any idea what lunchtime take-aways offer in london |
| 17:33.26 | md5sum | LOL |
| 17:33.29 | md5sum | !tell me about lol |
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| 17:33.38 | beardy | md5sum: /msg the bot |
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| 17:33.57 | md5sum | beardy: yes I know thank you... I was being a smartass... I know the factoid, but I was getting to it before antgel could again ;) |
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| 17:34.28 | antgel | i'm lucky to finish up with a dog-eared mouldy bit of bread after the blackberry brigade have barged into the shop, waving their blackberrys and demanding thai chicken sandwiches, as if they know what thai chicken really tastes like |
| 17:34.46 | md5sum | hahahahaha |
| 17:34.48 | asg | antgel: hey, at least you can get a plowman's |
| 17:35.00 | beardy | !smartass |
| 17:35.00 | dpkg | methinks smartass is apt the smartass |
| 17:35.02 | beardy | !factinfo smartass |
| 17:35.02 | dpkg | smartass -- created by kawfee <unknown@cs6668115-42.austin.rr.com> at Tue Jan 8 01:00:35 2002 (1380 days); it has been requested 11 times, last by beardy, 2s ago. |
| 17:35.24 | asg | I thought all of the kawfee factoids had been purged. |
| 17:35.36 | beardy | who was he? |
| 17:35.45 | antgel | asg: not a cheese fan. not good for my eczema. have to watch it until get another girlfriend. |
| 17:35.46 | asg | beardy: all the GNAA shit you see |
| 17:35.48 | abrotman | beardy: troll .. been banned |
| 17:35.49 | sgeigerbot | !no smartass is kawfee |
| 17:35.50 | dpkg | sgeigerbot: okay |
| 17:35.51 | abrotman | !kawfee |
| 17:35.51 | dpkg | i heard kawfee is KAWFEH, or married to Boris, the russian Ebay Bride. A troll; like a bot, but squishier |
| 17:36.01 | asg | antgel: ah, understood |
| 17:36.13 | abrotman | antgel: eat lettuce! |
| 17:36.27 | abrotman | asg: yes .. it was actually on there .. email order |
| 17:36.30 | antgel | abrotman: do i _look_ like the kind of man to eat lettuce? i shit on your lettuce! |
| 17:36.39 | asg | abrotman: just awesome |
| 17:36.40 | abrotman | antgel: hoagie .. long roll sandwich |
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| 17:36.50 | fbi | mmmm,. shitty lettuce. /me grabs the urine salad dressing |
| 17:36.54 | antgel | i bet they spunked on that hoagie |
| 17:37.01 | md5sum | !ircops |
| 17:37.01 | dpkg | ircops (aka md5sum) is a smartass that doesn't know how to be nice, although he calls me a good bot sometimes. |
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| 17:37.14 | antgel | it's getting a little lowbrow in here |
| 17:37.21 | fbi | getting? |
| 17:37.26 | asg | abrotman: it means what you think it means |
| 17:37.28 | md5sum | heh |
| 17:37.42 | abrotman | antgel: that's just wrong! |
| 17:38.05 | antgel | abrotman: we'd all do it, given a cocky take-away order in our cafe ;) |
| 17:38.20 | abrotman | antgel: i have never! |
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| 17:38.28 | antgel | not all as in _all together_... ah nuts, i give up :) |
| 17:38.37 | asg | antgel: rule #1 about food you don't prepare yourself) Don't offend the people making it. |
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| 17:38.58 | abrotman | asg: or make sure you know them |
| 17:39.00 | fbi | asg: unless you're at a kebab shop and you are watching everything they do |
| 17:39.02 | fbi | then you can talk shit |
| 17:39.07 | fbi | :D |
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| 17:39.13 | antgel | i can just see the person eating it, "hmm, the sandwich tastes a lot saltier without the lettuce" |
| 17:39.21 | fbi | i haven't had a kebab in ages |
| 17:39.24 | beardy | fbi: Then they just have as a rule to never wash their hands. |
| 17:39.30 | fbi | beardy: word |
| 17:39.52 | asg | fbi: that doesn't take care of their meat prep before hand though |
| 17:39.54 | abrotman | fbi: we have a place that sells gyros around the corner! |
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| 17:40.26 | fbi | abrotman: you can get those here too, but they don't look very appetizing |
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| 17:40.31 | ds11 | hello |
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| 17:40.36 | pureone | anyone know why cat file | xargs apt-get --purge remove always aborts and doesnt wait for input? |
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| 17:40.52 | asg | pureone: what's in 'file'? |
| 17:40.57 | javuchi | hello |
| 17:41.04 | fbi | the closest thing to a kebab shop in orange county is this place that slathers hummus on pita, and they put fried chicken on top |
| 17:41.10 | fbi | (not a real kebab) |
| 17:41.14 | asg | fbi: not even close |
| 17:41.26 | beardy | hummus? |
| 17:41.26 | abrotman | fbi: they're quite good |
| 17:41.32 | asg | beardy: bean paste |
| 17:41.36 | antgel | fbi: jesus. is that orange county as in the kids programme, the o.c.? |
| 17:41.38 | beardy | asg: oh |
| 17:41.40 | pureone | asg, openoffice.org-bin |
| 17:41.40 | fbi | beardy: it's this spread made from chick peas |
| 17:41.41 | abrotman | pureone: try a -y |
| 17:41.41 | ds11 | I'm need some packs that are broken on testing, I guy here told me that if I install the stable version they will work but it gives me the same errors, how can I get them? |
| 17:41.49 | fbi | chick peas and garlic i believe |
| 17:41.55 | javuchi | fbi isn't it the name of the frame buffer image viewer? |
| 17:41.57 | pureone | ok ill give that a shot |
| 17:42.01 | antgel | beardy: my friend just opened the first hummus bar in london. www.hbros.co.uk |
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| 17:42.05 | abrotman | ds11: errors are good to kow |
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| 17:42.14 | abrotman | antgel: SPAM! |
| 17:42.17 | darkness | antgel: You from London? |
| 17:42.21 | antgel | abrotman: yeps |
| 17:42.31 | beardy | antgel: Ok, is it going good? |
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| 17:42.40 | ds11 | ok, not sure I'm fallowing you..... |
| 17:42.40 | abrotman | haah! .. shaftesbury! |
| 17:42.45 | fbi | i miss 'casba' in brighton, that place made killer kebabs for 3 quid and they were open 'til 3:00am |
| 17:42.51 | alundra | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 17:42.58 | alundra | i got a question with apt, i cant install exim it tells me E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 17:43.08 | pureone | abrotman that doesnt wait for user input either it just removes it no questions asked |
| 17:43.15 | antgel | beardy: yeah it is. we wrote their epos system. it's perl / ncurses on debian. the food is fab. good value, freshly cooked, to me it's perfect. |
| 17:43.18 | asg | pureone: also, verify that it hasn't been previously removed (dpkg -l openoffice.org-bin should not have 'rc' at the begining.) |
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| 17:43.28 | beardy | Now I'm hungry.. |
| 17:43.34 | asg | alundra: what debian version? |
| 17:43.40 | antgel | abrotman: shaftesbury? |
| 17:43.46 | alundra | sarge |
| 17:43.58 | asg | alundra: and you typed 'apt-get install exim'? |
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| 17:44.03 | ds11 | abortman, sorry, I didnt understood that...... |
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| 17:44.09 | antgel | their website is nice as well, although we didn't do that |
| 17:44.10 | alundra | yes |
| 17:44.22 | alundra | it tells me this when i launch apt |
| 17:44.24 | asg | alundra: okay, use our paster (/msg dpkg paster) to paste the entire output of 'apt-get install exim) |
| 17:44.25 | fbi | antgel: yes, i live in the same orange county, but don't believe a f***ing thing you see on that show |
| 17:44.35 | alundra | oki |
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| 17:44.44 | pureone | asg its installed, it always fails at the "Do you want to continue [y/n]?" part |
| 17:44.47 | abrotman | antgel: the map on the site |
| 17:44.50 | abrotman | pureone: -y |
| 17:44.54 | asg | pureone: did the -y work then? |
| 17:44.56 | abrotman | ds11: what are the errors |
| 17:45.02 | antgel | fbi: my ex-gf loved it. jesus fuck. i don't like tv anyway but what a load of turd. |
| 17:45.02 | pureone | that doesnt do what i want |
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| 17:45.08 | abrotman | pureone: cat file | xargs apt-get --purge -y remove |
| 17:45.11 | pureone | i want to be able to pick if i can uninstall it or not |
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| 17:45.17 | antgel | abrotman: *nod* good location in soho |
| 17:45.22 | abrotman | pureone: wtf is in the damn file ? |
| 17:45.22 | pureone | anything can be in the file |
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| 17:45.23 | ds11 | one sec |
| 17:45.25 | beardy | antgel: hmm, "epos"? |
| 17:45.33 | pureone | ill show you the script.. |
| 17:46.02 | alundra | http://channels.debian.net/paste/927 |
| 17:46.05 | antgel | beardy: till system (electronic point of sale). they want it extending quite a bit, for sit-down orders, and new branches. it's been a fun project. |
| 17:46.06 | Quibus | I'm probably not the first to ask this, but I suddenly get this when doing a dist-upgrade: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! (etc.) |
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| 17:46.19 | alundra | and with eximon there s the same error |
| 17:46.20 | abrotman | !apt-secure |
| 17:46.21 | pureone | http://pastebin.com/398825 |
| 17:46.23 | antgel | Quibus: not the first in 10 minutes :) |
| 17:46.24 | ds11 | abortman, can I send you the file? I dont want to flood |
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| 17:46.26 | abrotman | dpkg: wake up |
| 17:46.27 | dpkg | abrotman: I'm already awake! :) |
| 17:46.28 | abrotman | !paste |
| 17:46.28 | dpkg | rumour has it, paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 17:46.31 | asg | antgel: EPOS, I think we run that here. |
| 17:46.32 | abrotman | !aptsecure |
| 17:46.42 | abrotman | ok .. fine .. we don't know about apt-secure anymore |
| 17:46.54 | alundra | asg ? |
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| 17:46.59 | abrotman | !apt secure |
| 17:46.59 | dpkg | somebody said apt secure was in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://www.syntaxpolice.org/apt-secure/ ; until you perform the steps described on page 5, you will get warnings about packages that can't be authenticated, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174 |
| 17:47.00 | Quibus | dpkg, apt-secure? |
| 17:47.02 | abrotman | Quibus: ^^ |
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| 17:47.04 | antgel | asg: i mean, we wrote an epos for them. i didn't know that epos was an official product |
| 17:47.04 | asg | alundra: I'm trying, I don't speak French I'm afraid |
| 17:47.11 | abrotman | can we just make a one-liner out of that ? |
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| 17:47.21 | asg | antgel: iirc, yes but that may just be what they named the server here ;) |
| 17:47.26 | Quibus | thanks abrotman |
| 17:47.32 | beardy | !info epos sarge |
| 17:47.34 | dpkg | epos: (Language independent text-to-speech system), section sound, is optional. Version: 1:2.5.27-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 477 kB, Installed size: 1976 kB |
| 17:47.40 | alundra | it tells that he got a problem with /var/cache/apt/archives/exim_3.36-16_i386.deb |
| 17:47.50 | pureone | abrotman,asg http://pastebin.com/398825 this is what im doing |
| 17:47.52 | abrotman | pureone: i see |
| 17:47.56 | fertokra | hello, anyone knows a rescue boot floppy of debian that contains badblocks(8) ? |
| 17:48.00 | alundra | asg |
| 17:48.02 | alundra | that s done |
| 17:48.06 | antgel | fertokra: knoppix? |
| 17:48.11 | alundra | i removed the old config file :) |
| 17:48.14 | alundra | thank you |
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| 17:48.14 | ds11 | damm |
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| 17:48.24 | asg | alundra: ah. I need to learn French ;) |
| 17:48.25 | abrotman | asg: i think he made the exim.conf filthy ? |
| 17:48.28 | xfan | fertokra : kurumin |
| 17:48.31 | abrotman | jethro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:48.38 | alundra | french is beautiful :) |
| 17:48.40 | beardy | fertokra: the livecd of your choice probably has it. knoppix, systemrescuecd, and so on. |
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| 17:48.43 | asg | abrotman: something like that |
| 17:48.44 | Quibus | so, apt-secure is now default or so? |
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| 17:49.10 | ds11 | abrotman, can I send you the file? |
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| 17:49.19 | abrotman | !paste |
| 17:49.19 | dpkg | i guess paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 17:49.20 | beardy | fertokra: tomsrtbt seems to have it. |
| 17:49.21 | abrotman | ds11: ^^ |
| 17:49.29 | Quibus | abrotman: so, apt-secure is now default or so? |
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| 17:49.38 | ds11 | abrotman :? |
| 17:49.38 | abrotman | Quibus: yes .. mostly |
| 17:49.43 | abrotman | ds11: /msg dpkg paste |
| 17:49.57 | Quibus | abrotman: OK, I suppose I should install gnugpg as well :) |
| 17:50.10 | abrotman | Quibus: prolly |
| 17:50.12 | Quibus | -g |
| 17:50.53 | Initiate | do you think Quake 4 will run with an emulator ? |
| 17:51.08 | ds11 | abrman, ok, I'n there paste it there? |
| 17:51.11 | PupenoL | Hello. |
| 17:51.21 | abrotman | pureone: i don't think you can actually do what you're trying to do .. it might be better to do a foreach with a yes/no question |
| 17:51.32 | abrotman | !fr |
| 17:51.32 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 17:51.49 | Quibus | abrotman: just installing gnupg fixed all warnings, except for some custom repositories |
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| 17:52.22 | Quibus | abrotman: maybe apt-secure should depend on gnupg? |
| 17:52.29 | abrotman | Quibus: file a wishlist bug |
| 17:52.34 | ds11 | nevermind |
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| 17:52.39 | Quibus | abrotman: why wish list? |
| 17:52.48 | abrotman | Quibus: or file a real bug .. |
| 17:52.50 | abrotman | sounds reasonable to me |
| 17:52.59 | abrotman | though .. i think you can disable the secure part |
| 17:53.29 | PupenoL | where should I start to learn to make .debs ? |
| 17:53.35 | abrotman | !nm |
| 17:53.36 | dpkg | from memory, nm is New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen. And also nevermind, or a program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. at http://nm.debian.org/ |
| 17:53.42 | abrotman | !mg |
| 17:53.42 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or maint-guide.en.html in sarge/sid). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or the shorthand for Madagascar |
| 17:53.43 | dondelelcaro | !nm guide |
| 17:53.43 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ There is also an additional guide that the Debian Women subproject has put together which may be useful: http://women.alioth.debian.org/wiki/index.php/English/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 17:53.46 | abrotman | there we go |
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| 17:54.20 | antgel | can men use that build guide as well? |
| 17:54.38 | abrotman | no .. only dogs |
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| 17:54.56 | antgel | we're going to smoke cigars and discuss sport |
| 17:55.02 | abrotman | baseball! |
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| 17:55.13 | antgel | no, _sport_. :P |
| 17:55.15 | Quibus | abrotman: is this bug the same as #321728 |
| 17:55.18 | Quibus | abrotman: ? |
| 17:55.26 | abrotman | !dbugs 321728 |
| 17:55.29 | dpkg | #321728:M[apt] Error message if gnupg is not installed gives bad advice; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 08:18:05 UTC |
| 17:55.31 | xfan | beer not ? |
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| 17:55.40 | md5sum | hey I forgot what the config file that has the login manager choice in it is.. anybody remember? |
| 17:55.49 | Flyn_ | Hi there. |
| 17:56.02 | Flyn_ | Anyone free to give me a little help installing Sarge? |
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| 17:56.06 | antgel | md5sum: is it in alternatives? |
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| 17:56.16 | antgel | Flyn_: if you've read the install guide, yeah :) |
| 17:56.17 | beardy | md5sum: dpkg-reconfigure ?dm ? |
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| 17:56.37 | abrotman | Quibus: yeah .. it's saying gnupg isn't installed .. and tha'ts why it's dying .. the maintainer seems to think that's ok |
| 17:56.42 | pureone | abort seems like it,do you know how i can show what depends on a certain package? ie what depends on kdelibs or something like that |
| 17:56.49 | pureone | er abrotman* |
| 17:56.53 | Quibus | abrotman: I disagree :P |
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| 17:57.15 | abrotman | pureone: apt-cache rdepends kdelibs ? |
| 17:57.16 | Flyn_ | antgel: I think I've read pretty much all there is to read about Debian that is likely to interest me ;-) |
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| 17:57.50 | saik0 | I think i setup exim4 to send messages to my ISPs SMTP server, how do i forward all of root's mail to an email address? |
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| 17:58.03 | asg | saik0: edit /etc/aliases |
| 17:58.16 | pureone | thanks thats exactly what i was looking for |
| 17:58.18 | saik0 | asg, will do. thanks |
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| 17:58.36 | Flyn_ | Well, here's my problem, after booting the base-config program, and choosing locales and languages and whatnot, the program fails to mount the cdrom. |
| 17:58.47 | Gnea | hrm |
| 17:59.04 | Quibus | abrotman: I suggested it in the bug thread :) |
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| 17:59.19 | abrotman | Quibus: erm .. ok |
| 17:59.25 | Flyn_ | Any ideas? |
| 17:59.34 | saik0 | asg: so add something like root: address@foo.bar? |
| 17:59.55 | antgel | Flyn_: have you checked the .iso? |
| 17:59.57 | asg | saik0: better to add root: user then user: address@foo.bar but the former will work |
| 17:59.57 | Flyn_ | I've tried using all the different cd modules, messing around in the BIOS, nothing so far. |
| 18:00.00 | Quibus | abrotman: (that it should depend on it) |
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| 18:00.12 | saik0 | asg: yea ok. that makes sense |
| 18:00.13 | abrotman | Quibus: well .. i'm sure it won't happen .. but we'll see |
| 18:00.16 | Gnea | abrotman: hey, have you rebuilt any deb packages recently? |
| 18:00.18 | Flyn_ | antgel:Any ideas? |
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| 18:00.35 | abrotman | Gnea: not lately .. why ? |
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| 18:00.43 | fertokra | thanks, bye |
| 18:00.48 | abrotman | Gnea: not since damog asked me to build xchat-systray fro sarge :) |
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| 18:01.06 | Gnea | abrotman: well i'm trying to rebuild samba but running ./debian/rules isn't working right |
| 18:01.07 | antgel | Flyn_: um, ^^^ |
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| 18:03.11 | abrotman | Gnea: are you surprised? |
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| 18:03.32 | Gnea | no not really |
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| 18:03.46 | abrotman | it errors how ? |
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| 18:04.55 | abrotman | !eat RichiH |
| 18:04.55 | Gnea | make: Nothing to be done for `patch'. |
| 18:05.08 | abrotman | Gnea: that's a bad thing ? |
| 18:05.18 | abrotman | you'd think it would just continue |
| 18:05.18 | Gnea | but it doesn't compile and build an actual .deb |
| 18:05.25 | Gnea | right |
| 18:05.34 | ircdevil | how do i get galeon to print background? |
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| 18:06.27 | abrotman | Gnea: why would you want to rebuild it ? |
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| 18:07.08 | Gnea | abrotman: it's for a specialized PDC setup |
| 18:07.13 | abrotman | oh |
| 18:07.16 | Gnea | :) |
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| 18:09.16 | abrotman | !nap |
| 18:09.16 | dpkg | it has been said that nap is a command line napster client, at http://www.gis.net/~nite , also check out http://opennap.sourceforge.net/, or is now open source finally, or you may want to try TekNap instead, or a short period of sleep |
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| 18:09.59 | Quibus | OK, CU |
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| 18:10.45 | antgel | mmm, nap |
| 18:11.23 | abrotman | stupid grinder made me sleepy |
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| 18:12.04 | fbi | blame the sandwich! |
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| 18:13.38 | syntaxx | i already done with make-kpkg --append-to-version=.date kernel_image but i couldnt see the initrd.img-2.6.13 file how to create it? |
| 18:14.15 | stew | syntaxx: add --initrd to make-kpkg |
| 18:14.24 | stew | syntaxx: or man mkinitrd |
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| 18:14.52 | abrotman | Gnea: did you try #-mentor ? |
| 18:14.54 | syntaxx | aww.. stew so i need to build again? |
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| 18:15.07 | asg | syntaxx: not if you use mkinitrd, no |
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| 18:15.25 | syntaxx | ok asg thanks |
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| 18:15.35 | sgeigerbot | asg: are you a mkinitrd guru? :-) I never did get that to work for me. |
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| 18:15.53 | asg | sgeigerbot: I have to build custom ones to get sarge working with our SAN |
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| 18:16.01 | savio_R | HiveDrone, how can I config QTDIR to: make xconfig ??? |
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| 18:16.17 | takatumi | syntaxx: if you are going to rebuild, try to get rid of the initrd requirement. |
| 18:16.26 | asg | savio_R: check the wiki in our /topic, there should be a section on that |
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| 18:16.39 | takatumi | asg: ionman! |
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| 18:17.09 | asg | takatumi: hiya, I'm actually fluxbox-0.9.12-1 (on hold due to issues with artwiz at the moment) |
| 18:17.12 | Jojosan | hello, all. |
| 18:17.12 | elvirolo | hi again |
| 18:17.24 | Gnea | abrotman: no, what's that all about? |
| 18:17.38 | Jojosan | Just a word to thank all the developers of my favourite operating system. |
| 18:17.43 | abrotman | Gnea: the mentors .. they're supposed to help NMs .. but they might help you too :) |
| 18:17.46 | elvirolo | many things that work with root don't with a regular user, like cd burning, scanning, etc ... |
| 18:17.49 | elvirolo | why is that ? |
| 18:17.50 | takatumi | asg: yeah, artwiz is what I preferred as well, of what little I've used of fluxbox. |
| 18:17.54 | asg | elvirolo: security reasons |
| 18:18.02 | Jojosan | elvirolo, security |
| 18:18.04 | asg | elvirolo: add your users to relevant groups (cdrom, etc) |
| 18:18.12 | elvirolo | ok |
| 18:18.21 | abrotman | Gnea: sorry .. it's -mentors |
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| 18:18.24 | Jojosan | writing directly to a device, or reading from it directly, can make security issues. |
| 18:18.26 | asg | takatumi: it makes the fonts just unreadable enough to discourage shoulder surfing |
| 18:18.30 | elvirolo | how do i get a list of groups ? |
| 18:18.33 | Gnea | elvirolo: you have to make sure the user is in the proper group |
| 18:18.41 | takatumi | asg: ouch. |
| 18:18.42 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:18.47 | asg | elvirolo: most in /etc/group |
| 18:18.47 | Jojosan | suppose for example that anybody could write to devices directly. it would be dangerous. |
| 18:18.53 | Gnea | elvirolo: vigr |
| 18:18.57 | Jojosan | cat /etc/group |grep elvirolo |
| 18:19.10 | elvirolo | thank you both :) |
| 18:19.11 | mutante | elvirolo: to see your own groups (of current user) simply type "groups" |
| 18:19.17 | asg | Jojosan: id or groups is better |
| 18:19.33 | Jojosan | asg, I didn't know about that command, thanks. |
| 18:19.39 | asg | Jojosan: you're welcome |
| 18:19.42 | abrotman | Gnea: no? |
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| 18:19.54 | asg | Jojosan: I was tempted also to give you the uuog award but am being nice today :) |
| 18:20.07 | comfrey | !debian clone |
| 18:20.07 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". |
| 18:20.22 | Gnea | abrotman: empty channel |
| 18:20.29 | Jojosan | asg, uuog award ? what is it ? |
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| 18:20.31 | asg | !uuog |
| 18:20.35 | Jojosan | !uuog |
| 18:20.37 | abrotman | Gnea: #debian-mentors ? no .. it's not empty |
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| 18:20.46 | asg | hmmm, who erased the factoid :( |
| 18:20.48 | savio_R | asg, what is "check the wiki"? |
| 18:20.55 | abrotman | !uuc |
| 18:20.57 | abrotman | !uuoc |
| 18:20.57 | dpkg | uuoc is, like, Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell. Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient. |
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| 18:21.10 | asg | heh, ah it was me being a moron. |
| 18:21.14 | abrotman | yes |
| 18:21.17 | asg | savio_R: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki |
| 18:21.18 | abrotman | doh! |
| 18:21.20 | eleftherios | !acpi |
| 18:21.20 | dpkg | i guess acpi is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/ |
| 18:21.45 | kylex | hi guys, i'm currently trying to install kernel 2.6.10 but i cant get the package |
| 18:21.52 | Jojosan | asg, I see :) I just find it more natural to parse the output of a cat. |
| 18:22.19 | abrotman | kylex: for which version of debian ? |
| 18:22.25 | abrotman | wait .. none have that version |
| 18:22.34 | asg | Jojosan: grep foo <file> is more efficient but to each their own |
| 18:22.36 | kylex | i edited my sources.list to fetch unstable but after an apt-get update i can only use 2.6.8 |
| 18:22.50 | xfan | question : how difficult is to find a job in the open sorce world ? |
| 18:22.52 | abrotman | kylex: apt-cache search linux-image-2.6 |
| 18:22.52 | kylex | sarge@abrotman |
| 18:23.02 | Jojosan | asg, that's perfectly true, more efficient. but less natural to me. |
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| 18:23.15 | ratonn | is there something like cp * -dir1 /dest ? |
| 18:23.18 | asg | Jojosan: :) |
| 18:23.24 | ratonn | ie: copy all but dir1 |
| 18:23.25 | Jojosan | anyway, anybody has the freedom to choose his or her tools. |
| 18:23.31 | Jojosan | and way of working. |
| 18:23.49 | kylex | abrotman: found the 2.6.12 |
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| 18:23.55 | asg | xfan: there are lots of jobs where you work for companies using free software; probably not as many that work only on free software. |
| 18:23.57 | abrotman | ok |
| 18:24.10 | hophet | eleftherios, !cool :D |
| 18:24.12 | kylex | should i try the 2.6.12? |
| 18:24.13 | stew | getent group groupname |
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| 18:24.24 | stew | fricken lag |
| 18:24.24 | ratonn | surely someone knows the answer |
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| 18:24.45 | kylex | omg,damnit where the kernels renamed? no more kernel-image...? |
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| 18:24.47 | asg | ratonn: cp dir/* /dest |
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| 18:25.06 | ratonn | <ratonn> is there something like cp * -dir1 /dest ? |
| 18:25.11 | ratonn | <ratonn> ie: copy all but dir1 |
| 18:25.13 | eleftherios | hopnet, my laptop is burning here... :-/ |
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| 18:26.00 | ratonn | ? |
| 18:26.09 | stew | kylex: linux-image |
| 18:26.15 | asg | ratonn: tar can be used to exclude things (and is basically a copy) |
| 18:26.22 | kylex | well, problem solved.i didnt realized that there's no more kernel-image |
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| 18:26.45 | asg | ratonn: tar -cf - ... foo | ( cd dest ; tar -xf - ) (or some variation) |
| 18:26.47 | kylex | thanx guys |
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| 18:27.16 | DocTomoe | is there a way to make sure every single installed package is reinstalled |
| 18:27.20 | ratonn | asg: what about find? |
| 18:27.28 | asg | DocTomoe: /msg dpkg reinstall |
| 18:27.28 | ratonn | find . -name |
| 18:27.37 | ratonn | is there some sort of NOT IN regular expression? |
| 18:27.38 | asg | ratonn: you could use find, sure |
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| 18:27.58 | abrotman | yeah ... grep -v :) |
| 18:27.59 | asg | ratonn: \! -name 'foo' |
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| 18:28.36 | JJK | Hello, I'm trying to set up User mode linux with Debian, but I always get an error about wrong rights for /dev/net/tun . Every time I set them, and reboot, they're gone. How can I fix this? |
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| 18:28.57 | JJK | it seems uml-utilities doesn't do its work |
| 18:29.04 | asg | JJK: are you using udev? |
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| 18:29.20 | JJK | asg no, I'm using hotplug |
| 18:29.31 | fjkadfooo | Hi. I updated to etch last night and it made my computer sad. I'm using a nForce 3 chipset and the motherboard has two onboard ethernet ports. The bottom one supports gigabit ethernet but does not work with etch. I thought this was a kernel thing and I saw that etch had changed my kernel from 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 to 2.6.8-11-amd64-generic, so I changed back to k8, but the ethernet port still isn't working. |
| 18:29.47 | eleftherios | do I need to patch a 2.6.12 kernel for acpi support (Debian Etch)? |
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| 18:29.56 | JJK | and I couldn't find out the how to get it working |
| 18:30.04 | antgel | eleftherios: no. why not look in the config file? |
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| 18:30.33 | fjkadfooo | Is this fixable? Also, on startup sane gives a bunch of errors throughout the process. it says bad line and blacklist |
| 18:30.33 | eleftherios | antgel, which config file would that be? :-) |
| 18:30.38 | JJK | asg, do you know what to do? |
| 18:30.57 | antgel | eleftherios: the kernel config. debian images store them in /boot/config* |
| 18:31.07 | asg | JJK: I dont' know, I just suspected udev might be creating the device with incorrect permissions. |
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| 18:31.14 | eleftherios | antgel, thank you |
| 18:31.19 | JJK | asg, that's true |
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| 18:31.32 | JJK | they ARE created with wrong permissions |
| 18:31.34 | asg | JJK: I use a static /dev so don't have much experience with udev |
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| 18:31.39 | mutante | ratonn: bash script? for dirs in `ls -d /some/tree/`; if [file =! dirname];then cp -r dir ..something .. |
| 18:31.40 | cheal | fjkadfooo: the exact errors would be more useful |
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| 18:32.14 | JJK | asg, do you know a manneer to get /dev/net/tun static? |
| 18:32.15 | Skrotto | Does anyone know how I can add a .jar-archive to CLASSPATH (echo $CLASPATH returns nothing)? I've got java 1.5.0_04 made with jpkg and java from SUN :> |
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| 18:32.48 | Jojosan | oh |
| 18:32.48 | cheal | fjkadfooo: are you able to get them? |
| 18:32.50 | abrotman | Skrotto: have you logged out/in since installing java / |
| 18:32.54 | JJK | that's impossible: tmpfs on /dev |
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| 18:33.01 | Skrotto | abrotman: yes |
| 18:33.02 | Jojosan | Skrotto, isn't Sun's Java proprietary ? |
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| 18:33.07 | abrotman | yes |
| 18:33.08 | eleftherios | antgel, yes you are right, it is all configures to 'y'. What could the problem be then? |
| 18:33.09 | abrotman | all java is |
| 18:33.13 | Jojosan | so |
| 18:33.19 | abrotman | it's not an open standard |
| 18:33.21 | antgel | eleftherios: i have no idea, didn't see your question |
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| 18:33.25 | Jojosan | using it is very bad, hackers, it's very bad. |
| 18:33.30 | Skrotto | abrotman: yes |
| 18:33.33 | cheal | fjkadfooo: etch didn't change its "kernel from 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 to 2.6.8-11-amd64-generic" |
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| 18:33.38 | erikdravn | Kind of a stupid question... what are all the items I should have in my sources.list file? (I want to use stable and secure code not developement) |
| 18:33.43 | cheal | fjkadfooo: 2.6.8 isn't in etch anymore |
| 18:33.53 | scuff | Can someone tell me how I can revert to xfree86 from xorg in Debian testing? |
| 18:33.53 | antgel | erikdravn: the ones that were there when you installed stable |
| 18:33.58 | Skrotto | abrotman: java in general works. I just can't seem to make this jar-archive work. A friend of mine got it working in windows my adding it to the CLASSPATH-env |
| 18:34.04 | antgel | scuff: it's not there. use stable |
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| 18:34.06 | roboo | hi |
| 18:34.12 | roboo | i solved problem :p |
| 18:34.16 | abrotman | Skrotto: echo $CLASSPATH shows nothing ? |
| 18:34.18 | asg | JJK: I'm sorry I don't. You could probably fudge an sysv init script (/etc/init.d/skeleton for a template) to set perms and do other local boot tasks. |
| 18:34.19 | mzdeb | im having a hard time installing wine on my machine |
| 18:34.19 | roboo | how can i change my debian's arch ? |
| 18:34.27 | Skrotto | abrotman: nothing. env | grep CLASSPATH returns nothing either |
| 18:34.27 | mzdeb | this is my first day with debian |
| 18:34.37 | asg | installing wine on any machine voids your warranty |
| 18:34.37 | fjkadfooo | cheal, maybe on restart. Is there a log that saves all of the messages given at bootup or somewhere? cheal, what version is? Regardless, I apt-got the old kernel and installed it and removed the other one, which was 2.6.8-11-amd64-generic |
| 18:34.38 | abrotman | !wine |
| 18:34.38 | dpkg | hmm... wine is at http://www.winehq.com/ or #winehq. It stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator or alternative win32 API. very buggy, will be a major part of the death of M$. The sources.list lines are: deb http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main, deb-src http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main. apt-get install shiraz, or a tasty alcoholic beverage. |
| 18:34.53 | abrotman | mzdeb: apt-get install wine .. doesn't work ? |
| 18:34.59 | abrotman | apt-cache search wine ? |
| 18:35.01 | eleftherios | antgel, you answered my question already :-) My problem is that my laptop overheats, acpi is enabled in the kernel and I am running cpufreqd too. On windows the machine never overheats and the fan has never worked. On gnu/linux the machine burns my hands |
| 18:35.04 | Skrotto | abrotman: seems CLASSPATH is not set, but javac/java knows where to find the java-libs anyway |
| 18:35.04 | cheal | fjkadfooo: try dmesg |
| 18:35.05 | Jojosan | I don't agree, wine is not "very buggy" |
| 18:35.09 | eleftherios | antgel, any pointers |
| 18:35.12 | Jojosan | It's unusable. |
| 18:35.15 | mzdeb | i get tar.gz files and it won't let me ./configure |
| 18:35.20 | mzdeb | it says no gcc in path |
| 18:35.21 | abrotman | Skrotto: and if you just set CLASSPATH anyways ? |
| 18:35.23 | cheal | wine is not very buggy?! |
| 18:35.24 | Jojosan | or perfect, but never between the two. |
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| 18:35.30 | abrotman | mzdeb: apt-get install wine |
| 18:35.32 | cheal | it emulates winbloze! |
| 18:35.37 | mzdeb | ok |
| 18:35.41 | assink | and there is nothing else you can use ;p |
| 18:35.42 | Skrotto | abrotman: then it doesn't find any of the other java-libs. |
| 18:35.46 | scuff | antgel: but it gave me the choice of sticking with xfree86 when I upgraded? |
| 18:35.47 | assink | wine is the only thing |
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| 18:35.50 | Jojosan | cheal, why do you need to say "winbloze" ? |
| 18:35.51 | cheal | Jojosan: ah, here we go |
| 18:35.51 | assink | to run win32 apps |
| 18:35.53 | assink | ;p |
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| 18:35.54 | Jojosan | Windows is crap. |
| 18:35.54 | abrotman | Skrotto: that's a bit odd |
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| 18:35.58 | md5sum | anybody know of a good mail checker panel applet for gnome? |
| 18:35.58 | Skrotto | abrotman: I tried to export CLASSPATH=/where/the/file/is.jar |
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| 18:36.00 | Jojosan | But it's Windows. |
| 18:36.06 | asg | assink: qemu is usable for stuff like Outlook |
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| 18:36.12 | GeekUnit | K-rap. GRUB didn't see my Windows XP installation. |
| 18:36.13 | antgel | eleftherios: take it to debian-laptop |
| 18:36.14 | Jojosan | I say honestly : Microsoft Windows is proprietary crap. |
| 18:36.17 | cheal | Jojosan: it doesn't need a capital letter this way |
| 18:36.19 | assink | asg: i know :P |
| 18:36.19 | abrotman | Skrotto: i know this will be evil . but what if you put your jar where the rest are? |
| 18:36.20 | mzdeb | is there another program out there like wine? |
| 18:36.27 | erikdravn | Well, the only ones I have listed are deb ftp://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/ stable main, deb-src ftp://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/ stable main, and deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 18:36.27 | abrotman | wine |
| 18:36.29 | ircdevil | !windows |
| 18:36.29 | fjkadfooo | O |
| 18:36.30 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 18:36.30 | Jojosan | cheal, yes it needs. That's its name. |
| 18:36.30 | antgel | mzdeb: yes, wine |
| 18:36.36 | asg | assink: not particularly joyful to use, I'll admit, but usable nontheless. |
| 18:36.36 | mzdeb | lol ok |
| 18:36.37 | assink | but like thunderbird |
| 18:36.43 | Skrotto | abrotman: I've tried several dir's with .jar's in it. Still doesn't work |
| 18:36.43 | assink | os something |
| 18:36.46 | cheal | Jojosan: when you're calling it winbloze |
| 18:36.49 | mzdeb | thunderbird is like wine? |
| 18:36.49 | assink | or something |
| 18:36.51 | abrotman | oh ffs .. drop it |
| 18:36.54 | assink | no |
| 18:36.56 | eleftherios | antgel, thank you :-) |
| 18:37.05 | mzdeb | is linspire any good? |
| 18:37.05 | fjkadfooo | cheal, dmesg doesn't show the errors. it does show forcedeth.c was loaded but it doesn't let me use the right port still |
| 18:37.08 | assink | you could use that better as outlook :P |
| 18:37.26 | xfan | thunderbird is like "outlook express" |
| 18:37.27 | erikdravn | linspire is a watered down version of debian |
| 18:37.32 | abrotman | Skrotto: maybe java5 doesn't use classpathanymore ? |
| 18:37.37 | asg | assink: I use mutt personally. Even have an AD addressbook addon for it. |
| 18:37.43 | cheal | !tell fjkadfooo about bootlogd |
| 18:37.47 | assink | asg: i dont use such tools at all |
| 18:37.50 | assink | :P |
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| 18:37.54 | Skrotto | abrotman: perhaps. But that doesn't get me any closer to making this work :p |
| 18:37.55 | assink | i dont like mail |
| 18:37.55 | cheal | fjkadfooo: you could try that. it needs reboot and won't always work |
| 18:38.05 | assink | ;> |
| 18:38.07 | abrotman | Skrotto: nope .. might get better luck asking #java ? |
| 18:38.08 | asg | assink: you're not lazarus from the old days are you? |
| 18:38.14 | Skrotto | abrotman: I'll try |
| 18:38.18 | mutante | assink: get a pop3 checker script for your irc client of choice |
| 18:38.19 | assink | heheh |
| 18:38.24 | Jojosan | !proprietary |
| 18:38.32 | abrotman | Skrotto: i don't know many people who develop java anymore .. they're all switching to whitespace |
| 18:38.34 | Jojosan | oh, it doesn't work. |
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| 18:38.42 | assink | just dont read the mail |
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| 18:38.43 | assink | :> |
| 18:38.43 | roboo | do you know an application to see cpu temperature and fan speeds ? |
| 18:38.49 | Skrotto | abrotman: haha. I need it for school tough :) |
| 18:38.54 | asg | roboo: acpi |
| 18:39.01 | abrotman | Skrotto: that was a joke .. sorry |
| 18:39.07 | abrotman | !classpath |
| 18:39.13 | Jojosan | !bill |
| 18:39.13 | dpkg | hmm... bill is a dork, or see xbill |
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| 18:39.19 | srineer|laptop | i have a small dumb question, on our suse boxes i have net-snmp but i dont seem to see that in apt-cache search net-snmp |
| 18:39.19 | Jojosan | :) |
| 18:39.24 | srineer|laptop | does debian have this? |
| 18:39.29 | Skrotto | abrotman: I'm guessing my java-classpath should be /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/something |
| 18:39.29 | abrotman | !find net-snmp |
| 18:39.33 | dpkg | libnet-snmp-perl: (Script SNMP connections), section perl, is optional. Version: 5.1.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 106 kB, Installed size: 504 kB |
| 18:39.45 | abrotman | Skrotto: i'm really not sure .. i only have the jre on my box |
| 18:39.51 | Skrotto | abrotman: okay :) |
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| 18:39.58 | abrotman | Skrotto: i try to avoid doign java work |
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| 18:40.11 | cheal | srineer|laptop: what about snmp? |
| 18:40.11 | roboo | asg: No support for device type: battery |
| 18:40.14 | fjkadfooo | cheal, okay, I enabled it. any ideas on the ethernet? I think the Marvell port is the one that isn't working. If I'm using the same kernel, shouldn't it work? Should I use a newer kernel? |
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| 18:40.30 | Skrotto | abrotman: Me too :) |
| 18:40.36 | srineer|laptop | i want to monitor disk/memory/load...etc with cacti |
| 18:40.41 | abrotman | Skrotto: can't you run the jar? |
| 18:40.46 | asg | roboo: modprobe battery |
| 18:40.48 | abrotman | Skrotto: or it's more of a library/ |
| 18:40.50 | abrotman | ? |
| 18:40.56 | tyranix | Skrotto: You can always override it with -cp or -classpath for javac and java respectively. |
| 18:40.56 | cheal | fjkadfooo: newer kernels do have better security |
| 18:40.57 | Skrotto | abrotman: It's a lib for connecting to MySQL |
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| 18:41.11 | cheal | fjkadfooo: but try booting with the old kernel to be sure it's the kernel |
| 18:41.12 | WaREX | HOLA COMO ESTAN TODOS!!!!! |
| 18:41.13 | antgel | srineer|laptop: i suggest you use an application to do that instead :) |
| 18:41.13 | mutante | srineer|laptop: for memory : cat /proc/meminfo |
| 18:41.13 | WaREX | HOLA COMO ESTAN TODOS!!!!! |
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| 18:41.19 | antgel | here we go |
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| 18:41.25 | cheal | heh |
| 18:41.33 | antgel | i liked him |
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| 18:41.47 | cheal | if it could always be like that |
| 18:41.49 | srineer|laptop | mutante, remote servers |
| 18:41.49 | asg | antgel: a bit monotonous though |
| 18:41.53 | abrotman | antgel: will oyu invite him to your next party ? |
| 18:41.59 | srineer|laptop | about 40 of them |
| 18:42.12 | antgel | asg: but he said it with different feeling every time |
| 18:42.19 | roboo | asd it don't know show anything |
| 18:42.19 | antgel | abrotman: probably |
| 18:42.20 | srineer|laptop | and i am using an appplication : cacti |
| 18:42.23 | mutante | srineer|laptop: ssh user@host cat /proc/meminfo :p |
| 18:42.36 | asg | antgel: true |
| 18:42.41 | srineer|laptop | mutante, i really dont want to do that every 5 minutes |
| 18:42.46 | erikdravn | Ok, let me ask a different way... I'm trying to get libdvdcss2 so I can use my dvd drive.. it is suposedly included with Sarge.. however, I can't seem to find it... any sugestions? |
| 18:42.47 | srineer|laptop | ;) |
| 18:42.49 | asg | antgel: I forgot the inflections in my head |
| 18:42.50 | fjkadfooo | cheal, etch took away my first kernel. I reinstalled it but it still doesn't work, I'm not sure if it's the kernel. What version kernel should I use? |
| 18:42.58 | mutante | srineer|laptop: man crontab |
| 18:43.01 | Skrotto | tyranix: You wouldn't happend to know where the jar-archives are stored on a Debian-system+ |
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| 18:43.17 | srineer|laptop | well, it my mistake for not being clear |
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| 18:43.39 | asg | Skrotto: where you installed them. If you used apt to get some contrib packages, dpkg -L <pkg> |
| 18:43.42 | abrotman | HOLA COMO ESTAN TODOS!!!!! |
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| 18:43.47 | srineer|laptop | i have about 30 Suse boxes, it took me 3 minutes to set this up on all those boxes |
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| 18:44.02 | Skrotto | asg: I used the jpkg-thingy |
| 18:44.06 | srineer|laptop | i wanted the debian boxes to our monitor cacti server |
| 18:44.09 | srineer|laptop | but |
| 18:44.17 | abrotman | didn't i show you were net-snmp was ? |
| 18:44.23 | roboo | ah |
| 18:44.23 | fbi | 30 Suse boxes? i'd light that place on fire and collect the insurance. |
| 18:44.23 | asg | Skrotto: dpkg -L <whatever jpkg-thingy produced> |
| 18:44.30 | roboo | isn't there a graphical application ? |
| 18:44.31 | abrotman | or perhaps ? .. apt-get install cacti ? |
| 18:44.31 | antgel | abrotman: don't bother. he had the star quality. |
| 18:44.44 | asg | roboo: gkrellm |
| 18:44.44 | roboo | isn't there a graphical application to see cpu temperature |
| 18:44.52 | abrotman | roboo: many |
| 18:44.54 | asg | roboo: apt-cache search cpu temperature gui |
| 18:44.55 | Kejk_PL | hi, I have ubuntu, but they don't know answer. loopback is set at start, but it don't have assigned IP, so I can't ping via loopback (nmap localhost, etc). My nbetwork/interfaces file:http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3355 |
| 18:45.02 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 18:45.02 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 18:45.19 | antgel | Kejk_PL: you need to use a distro with better support. |
| 18:45.20 | tyranix | Skrotto: I use free-java-sdk (not Sun's) and the jar is in /usr/lib/fjsdk/jre/lib. |
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| 18:45.21 | Skrotto | asg: right. It says /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/ |
| 18:45.29 | mutante | srineer|laptop: sry, i dont know about cacti |
| 18:45.39 | abrotman | !cacti |
| 18:45.41 | Skrotto | javac -cp /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/jre/lib/ myfile.java didn't work though :) |
| 18:45.45 | abrotman | !info cacti |
| 18:45.47 | dpkg | cacti: (Frontend to rrdtool for monitoring systems and services), section web, is extra. Version: 0.8.6g-1 (sid), Packaged size: 852 kB, Installed size: 3156 kB |
| 18:45.48 | erikdravn | *sigh* Well, thanks.. I guess |
| 18:45.52 | Kejk_PL | antgel: I will Debian again, but now I have much work to do |
| 18:45.56 | asg | Kejk_PL: you can't ping 'loopback' or you can't ping '127.0.0.1' ? |
| 18:46.01 | abrotman | dude ... |
| 18:46.01 | Kejk_PL | both |
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| 18:46.03 | abrotman | #ubuntu |
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| 18:46.11 | asg | Kejk_PL: does /sbin/ifconfig show 'lo' as an interface |
| 18:46.15 | Kejk_PL | asg: both, my hosts file is OK |
| 18:46.26 | Kejk_PL | asg: yes, but without IP |
| 18:46.48 | cheal | fjkadfooo: 2.6.12 ideally, but 2.6.8 is still OK...as long as it works |
| 18:46.49 | tyranix | hmm you shouldn't need to set the classpath for standard jars. |
| 18:46.56 | asg | Kejk_PL: odd, you didn't build custom kernel did you |
| 18:46.57 | Kejk_PL | asg: doing ifconfig lo down && ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 up helps |
| 18:47.14 | Kejk_PL | asg: standard kernel |
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| 18:47.33 | cheal | fjkadfooo: how come your first kernel has been taken away? |
| 18:47.34 | gonzaloaf | goodbye folks |
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| 18:47.44 | asg | Kejk_PL: try ifdown lo, ifup lo |
| 18:47.54 | abrotman | #ubuntu! :) |
| 18:48.04 | Kejk_PL | asg: I can make a init.d script of course, but it's not a clean "Debian" way :) |
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| 18:48.15 | fjkadfooo | cheal, I don't know, I upgraded to etch and on reboot it loaded with 2.6.8-11-amd64-generic and the ethernet port I like stopped working. |
| 18:48.41 | Kejk_PL | asg: works |
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| 18:49.02 | fjkadfooo | linux-image-2.6.12-1-amd64-k8 Is this the right kernel package? Have they change to linux-image instead of kernel-image or is this something different? |
| 18:49.16 | cheal | fjkadfooo: you upgraded to etch? did you upgrade from sarge or from an older etch? |
| 18:49.26 | fjkadfooo | sarge |
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| 18:49.29 | cheal | fjkadfooo: yes |
| 18:49.33 | cheal | fjkadfooo: I see |
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| 18:49.47 | dSS | Suddenly my system turned into deutch.. How do i change the system back to english language? |
| 18:49.55 | Drakh | :< |
| 18:49.58 | abrotman | !kill me |
| 18:50.08 | abrotman | fjkadfooo: what kindo f CPU ? |
| 18:50.24 | fjkadfooo | abrotman, Athlon 64 3200+ |
| 18:50.24 | cheal | hum, I still don't remember apt removing a kernel without being asked to, but anyway |
| 18:50.26 | fjkadfooo | Venice Core |
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| 18:50.53 | wlinux | hi |
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| 18:51.06 | syntaxx | yay! i already install bootsplash but the problem is my gdm doesnt load anymore.. im having this cannot start x server it is likely that it is not set up correctly |
| 18:51.12 | pfizur | /leave/ |
| 18:51.15 | pfizur | whoops |
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| 18:51.21 | mzdeb | can i apt-get .deb files? |
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| 18:51.32 | Kejk_PL | asg: but /etc/inet.d/metworking restart is broking it |
| 18:51.35 | mzdeb | wrong question |
| 18:51.38 | mutante | mzdeb: you can dpkg -i them |
| 18:51.44 | asg | Kejk_PL: then I'd start looking at that file and see what it's doing. |
| 18:51.51 | mutante | mzdeb: ad you also add local pathes to your sources.list for apt |
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| 18:51.52 | mzdeb | thanks mutante :-) |
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| 18:52.02 | Gnea | mzdeb: apt-get will retrieve the .deb files, but dpkg takes care of them |
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| 18:52.07 | stew | Kejk_PL: sounds like a problem with /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:52.10 | dSS | Suddenly my system turned into deutch.. How do i change the system back to english language? |
| 18:52.19 | abrotman | !tell mzdeb about refcard |
| 18:52.19 | Gnea | !interfaces |
| 18:52.20 | dpkg | Your network configuration in potato and later is done in the file /etc/network/interfaces. "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also "dhcp client". for laptops, use /etc/pcmcia/network.opts instead or see "man resolv.conf" for DNS or ask me about "static route" |
| 18:52.27 | stew | dSS: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 18:52.33 | abrotman | Gnea: did they help you ? |
| 18:52.39 | asg | stew: it might be the mapping stanza. Comment that out and see if it fixes things. |
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| 18:52.41 | Gnea | abrotman: i think so :) |
| 18:52.42 | asg | bah |
| 18:52.52 | syntaxx | yay! i already install bootsplash but the problem is my gdm doesnt load anymore.. im having this cannot start x server it is likely that it is not set up correctly. how to fixed this? |
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| 18:53.03 | asg | stew: sorry, he buggered off and you got it instead. |
| 18:53.05 | stew | syntaxx: read the x log in /var/log/ |
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| 18:53.07 | roboo | asg: sorry but :) i enabled battery on gkrellm and it dont show cpu temperature |
| 18:53.11 | stew | !pubtime |
| 18:53.11 | dpkg | somebody said pubtime was time for asg to go .. 3pm!, or http://jackalopejacks.com/ |
| 18:53.12 | abrotman | Gnea: are you pulling my leg ? |
| 18:53.19 | asg | roboo: did acpi show temps though? |
| 18:53.21 | Gnea | abrotman: it's still compiling ;) |
| 18:53.25 | abrotman | oh |
| 18:53.27 | Kejk_PL | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:53.28 | roboo | asg: no |
| 18:53.32 | abrotman | Gnea: better than before? .. what was wrong ? |
| 18:53.47 | asg | roboo: hmmm, do you have acpi support? check the output of 'dmesg | grep -i acpi' |
| 18:53.51 | Kejk_PL | asg: in networkinging script are that two lines "ifdown -a --exclude=lo" and then "ifup -a" |
| 18:54.01 | abrotman | stew: i'll meet you in lahaska! |
| 18:54.13 | roboo | asg: ACPI: LAPIC (acpi_id[0x01] lapic_id[0x00] enabled) |
| 18:54.28 | Gnea | abrotman: the doc i was reading is outdated |
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| 18:54.33 | stew | abrotman: ok when? there is a brewpub there |
| 18:54.35 | pfizur | Howdy all, #security seems pretty quiet so I thought I'd ask for opinions here. I monitor my logs on an hourly basise and sometimes notice login attempts from forign IPs that are obvious attempts at hacking. Usually I just block the IP and things stay quiet again for a few weeks. How do others approach this? |
| 18:54.35 | abrotman | Gnea: ah .. that'll do it :) |
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| 18:54.43 | abrotman | stew: pubtime .. 3pm .. time to go! |
| 18:54.50 | stew | abrotman: i'm running a little late |
| 18:54.56 | asg | abrotman: you need to run ntpdate |
| 18:55.03 | abrotman | stew: it'd actually be easier if you liked your parents and went to visit them occasionally |
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| 18:55.12 | stew | abrotman: yeah, i'm due |
| 18:55.13 | abrotman | asg: almost 3pm .. i have 254 here |
| 18:55.28 | abrotman | 255! |
| 18:55.38 | syntaxx | stew: it says unable to load nvidia kernel module when running startx but i already recompile my nvidia kernel |
| 18:55.41 | abrotman | stew: they're eastern bucks ? |
| 18:55.50 | stew | abrotman: 1 mile from lahaska |
| 18:55.54 | asg | Kejk_PL: I don't know then, check their bts I suppose. |
| 18:55.59 | abrotman | stew: Peddler's village!!!! |
| 18:56.03 | stew | syntaxx: how did you recompile it? |
| 18:56.14 | stew | abrotman: yeah there is a brewpub there, the Porterhouse |
| 18:56.18 | roboo | asg: what should i do |
| 18:56.20 | stew | its ok but too brightly lit |
| 18:56.23 | asg | roboo: is this a laptop? |
| 18:56.28 | abrotman | stew: hrm .. the iron hill in montgomeryville might be a good halfway |
| 18:56.32 | abrotman | oh .. or the drafting room! |
| 18:56.45 | syntaxx | stew: booting on new kernel and follow the site on what dpkg told? |
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| 18:56.50 | roboo | asg: no.. via chipset mb. and amd64 |
| 18:56.52 | roboo | desktop |
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| 18:57.19 | asg | roboo: hmmm, I don't know. Perhaps #debian-amd64 knows about it. |
| 18:57.26 | Kejk_PL | asg: this night will be unsleeped too :) |
| 18:57.33 | roboo | hm |
| 18:57.53 | asg | Kejk_PL: not for me, I'm going to the pub |
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| 18:58.11 | syntaxx | stew, when changing modules nv it loads the desktop but when using nvidia it doesnt load.. and after doing what dpkg told me to do i dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and used nvidia ctrl+alt+backspace it loads the nvidia splash screen |
| 18:58.11 | stew | i'm going to make myeself another espresso |
| 18:58.31 | stew | syntaxx: sorry i really don't know anything about nvidia |
| 18:58.49 | stew | i'm constantly amazed by the number of people that "need" closed source 3d drivers |
| 18:59.00 | syntaxx | stew: oh ok.. |
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| 18:59.24 | Jojosan | stew, I use them for blender |
| 18:59.31 | Jojosan | but it does bore me. |
| 18:59.45 | Jojosan | However, as a driver is a driver, I don't feel oppressed. |
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| 19:00.13 | Jojosan | it's not as if it was my text editor or my web browser. However, as God;.. er... RMS said, "Free your drivers !" |
| 19:00.31 | syntaxx | yay! i already install bootsplash but the problem is my gdm doesnt load anymore.. im having this cannot start x server it is likely that it is not set up correctly. how to fixed this? |
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| 19:00.41 | abrotman | Jojosan: non-free proprietary shit |
| 19:01.16 | Jojosan | abrotman, yes. but for my school graduation I need that :( |
| 19:01.25 | abrotman | Jojosan: non-free proprietary shit |
| 19:01.28 | abrotman | just like windows .. |
| 19:01.30 | abrotman | just like java |
| 19:01.37 | abrotman | (java is beer free) |
| 19:01.57 | Jojosan | I suppose that the free drivers will be as performant as the proprietary ones one day. |
| 19:02.06 | Jojosan | For THAT, I need really performance. |
| 19:02.14 | abrotman | blender doesn't need nvidia |
| 19:02.29 | Jojosan | abrotman, I was taking blender as an example. |
| 19:02.38 | abrotman | nothing needs nvidia |
| 19:02.46 | Jojosan | ah ? |
| 19:02.51 | Jojosan | what about Nexuiz ? |
| 19:02.54 | abrotman | nope |
| 19:02.56 | abrotman | nothing |
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| 19:03.01 | Jojosan | It needs a high end video card |
| 19:03.10 | abrotman | there are others |
| 19:03.20 | cheal | like Intel GMA 900 ;) |
| 19:03.23 | Jojosan | abrotman, integrism doesn't help. If I had the skills, I would contribute to the development of Nvidia's drivers. |
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| 19:03.53 | cheal | Jojosan: don't be so sure |
| 19:03.59 | sandman | Should I put my entire address (such as bla.mine.nu) in /etc/hostname? |
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| 19:04.03 | abrotman | that is also only a game .. |
| 19:04.25 | Jojosan | abrotman, do you want Debian GNU/Linux to be usable by Auntie Janine as a desktop OS ? |
| 19:04.27 | abrotman | maybe i shuld try it on my lappie |
| 19:04.49 | Jojosan | Do you want your little cousin John to switch to Debian GNU/Linux ? |
| 19:04.54 | Jojosan | Then you need games. |
| 19:04.56 | abrotman | Jojosan: that has nothing to do with the fact that nvidia releases closed crap |
| 19:04.59 | Jojosan | and IM appz. |
| 19:05.01 | stew | like opera |
| 19:05.05 | abrotman | gaim/jabber work just fine |
| 19:05.20 | Jojosan | abrotman, wrong. I'll point you to an article on Slashdot |
| 19:05.21 | cheal | my Auntie Janine doesn't play computer games :) |
| 19:05.22 | cureless | Jojosan, you're mixing two issues. |
| 19:05.24 | abrotman | stew: yes .. but you're not forced to use opera to get full advantage of the internet |
| 19:05.26 | fjkadfooo | I'm now using kernel 2.6.12-1-amd64-k8 and still that ethernet port won't work and I got a whole bunch of libsane errors talking about modprobe and blacklist again. I turned on bootlogd before reboot. Where do I find the output of that? |
| 19:05.34 | abrotman | gaim/jabber don't work fine for IM ? |
| 19:05.40 | abrotman | news to me .. |
| 19:05.47 | abrotman | i should tell everyone i use jabber with ... |
| 19:05.51 | abrotman | god .. they'll be crushed |
| 19:05.51 | stew | bitlbee! |
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| 19:05.59 | cheal | Gaim 2 :D |
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| 19:06.07 | abrotman | jabber is dying .. oh noes |
| 19:06.14 | cheal | fjkadfooo: /var/log/boot... |
| 19:06.16 | Jojosan | abrotman, http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/10/12/1354254.shtml?tid=215&tid=106 |
| 19:06.20 | Jojosan | please read that. |
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| 19:06.29 | abrotman | Jojosan: do you even use jabber? |
| 19:06.35 | Jojosan | abrotman, sure I do. |
| 19:06.40 | DocTomoe | jojosan: my little brother wants internet? then he has to use linux. |
| 19:06.44 | abrotman | and it's .. failing? |
| 19:06.46 | SuperPhly | I plan on installing debian today on a production server, what version netinst image should I use? |
| 19:06.51 | stew | its on slashdot, it must be true! |
| 19:06.51 | abrotman | because it can't do the MSN window shakie ? |
| 19:06.54 | DocTomoe | and I do not allow games on my machine ;) |
| 19:06.57 | zinx | abrotman: slashdot said it's failing, so it must be! |
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| 19:07.02 | fbi | abrotman: haha |
| 19:07.03 | mrnull | When I installed GRUB, I lost the ability to boot into windows. FDisk says it's only /dev/hda5. Does anyone know how to do this from the GRUB comamand line? |
| 19:07.04 | abrotman | IM for me means all it has to do is send messages |
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| 19:07.18 | fbi | i need a $400 video card to instant message my grandma! |
| 19:07.18 | Jojosan | abrotman, that's the f****** MSN shakie who makes John and Auntie Janine stay with MSN crap. |
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| 19:07.27 | DocTomoe | abrotman: kmail does this, too. but the lag is annoying |
| 19:07.30 | abrotman | that's what it is intended to do . nto have cutsie fucking shit like avatars and shakies and logos and smileys |
| 19:07.49 | abrotman | Jojosan: no .. it's a piss poor excuse to make *kids* upgrade dumbass .. |
| 19:07.52 | stew | what's a shakie? |
| 19:07.54 | Jojosan | abrotman, then you want GNU to be a l33t OS |
| 19:08.05 | Jojosan | I want it to be a free, complete and attractive OS. |
| 19:08.07 | abrotman | fine .. so be it .. if it keeps morons like you from using it .. i don't care |
| 19:08.10 | DocTomoe | Jojosan: well, John and Auntie Janine will have to want my support for their machines ... they use linux. or they want shakey windows - then they will have to get paid support. expensive |
| 19:08.14 | abrotman | *plonk* |
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| 19:08.24 | fbi | *plonk*2! |
| 19:08.35 | takatumi | a vibrating avatar? |
| 19:08.36 | mzdeb | is there a type of urpmi tool for debian? |
| 19:08.40 | fbi | i have an idea, buy 'auntie whoever' their own desktop |
| 19:08.50 | mzdeb | i have a few dependency problems instlalling libwine and wine |
| 19:08.51 | abrotman | or .. let her use what she wants |
| 19:08.52 | cheal | abrotman: I don't think he's a moron, I guess he just doesn't understand free software yet |
| 19:08.53 | Jojosan | abrotman, I don't use it, but I'm trying to have an objective analysis. And please don't insult me, I'm trying to have a debate. |
| 19:09.01 | abrotman | i don't care if she wants shakies .. it doesn't affect me |
| 19:09.05 | mikeX | hello, is it possible to customize the console login message to display some dynamic info (not static text via motd) |
| 19:09.07 | abrotman | she can use BeOS for all i care |
| 19:09.22 | takatumi | mzdeb: tried aptitude or synaptic? or even plain apt-get? |
| 19:09.25 | stew | !wikifaq mzdeb PackageManagement |
| 19:09.28 | dpkg | mzdeb: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/PackageManagement or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:09.34 | stew | mzdeb: wait, what problems? |
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| 19:09.39 | mikeX | for example the result of the 'uptime' command |
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| 19:09.46 | stew | mzdeb: are you trying to mix distros? like stable and testing? |
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| 19:09.53 | abrotman | cheal: i think he is |
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| 19:09.58 | DocTomoe | Jojosan: actually, I do not care what everyone else uses. I know that I charge rather costly bills for fools who wreck their windows installations ... I make about 75€ per hour on such cases |
| 19:10.03 | stew | mikeX: /etc/motd /etc/issue |
| 19:10.11 | mzdeb | no im at ftp.us.debian.org |
| 19:10.13 | DocTomoe | Linux support is lots more fun, and therefore much less expensive |
| 19:10.18 | Jojosan | DocTomoe, that's not the problem. I'm speaking of attractivity |
| 19:10.25 | takatumi | mzdeb: why are you there? |
| 19:10.32 | abrotman | it's funny when you slam windows as a lockin but bless nvidia |
| 19:10.34 | DocTomoe | Jojosan: Screw atractivity. KDE3.4 is attractive. |
| 19:10.45 | syntaxx | guys? :D |
| 19:10.46 | DocTomoe | beauty lies in the eye of the beholder etc blah |
| 19:10.48 | stew | mzdeb: what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:10.49 | abrotman | at least if i use opera .. i can easily use FF or something else to browse the web .. i have options .. |
| 19:10.53 | mzdeb | to get packages :-( |
| 19:11.05 | mzdeb | i don't know someone gave this to me |
| 19:11.12 | Jojosan | DocTomoe, yes. But Kopete doesn't have the shakies MSN have. And it prevents that big sucker of John from using it. He prefers the MSN crap. |
| 19:11.22 | Jojosan | I want him to prefer Kopete or gAIM. |
| 19:11.26 | takatumi | syntaxx: looked at /var/log/Xorg.0.log or /var/log/XFree86.0.log? |
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| 19:11.46 | Jojosan | so Kopete or GAIM should also provide these stupid features. |
| 19:11.50 | DocTomoe | Jojosan: Guess what: I think he should be happy with was he wants. If he is happy with MSN, so be it. But he'll regret this if he has to pay my support. |
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| 19:11.53 | stew | mzdeb: are you not using apt-get? |
| 19:11.57 | mikeX | stew: how can make motd execute a script or something? |
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| 19:12.11 | Jojosan | DocTomoe, once again, that's not the problem. |
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| 19:12.17 | Jojosan | Most Windows support is format c: |
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| 19:12.27 | Jojosan | it's not supportable. It's erasable. |
| 19:12.27 | mtnman | mikeX: exactly what are you attempting to accomplish? |
| 19:12.33 | DocTomoe | Jojosan: both Kopete and Gaim have a plugin feature. I am sure you could implement some if not all of these "features", If you really want. So far, nobody seems to have wanted those |
| 19:12.36 | fjkadfooo | See #flood for the contents of my boot log please. ^_^ |
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| 19:12.57 | syntaxx | takatumi: yeah i already saw it. |
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| 19:13.02 | takatumi | fjkadfooo: you'd be better off using a pastebin, /msg dpkg paster |
| 19:13.08 | mikeX | mtnman: well, displaying the results of the 'uptime' command upon login |
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| 19:13.12 | takatumi | syntaxx: and? |
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| 19:13.26 | syntaxx | takatumi: in the end of the line it says unloadable module "nvidia" |
| 19:13.26 | mikeX | mtnman: actually upon remote login |
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| 19:14.03 | mtnman | mikeX: you may be better off using /etc/profile or /etc/bash_profile or similar. i don't know that motd can do anything except display a file. |
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| 19:14.09 | takatumi | syntaxx: how did you install the nvidia modules? |
| 19:14.14 | Jojosan | DocTomoe, I suppose that some people should implement it. I would, even if I don't use that crap, _because_ I want our free OS to be attractive _as a desktop OS_. It's functional, but people love these stupid things that are shakies and whatever they can invent. Why are we still at simple text message state ? |
| 19:14.19 | mikeX | mtnman: yeah, actually this just occured to me |
| 19:14.32 | mikeX | thanks |
| 19:14.41 | mtnman | you're welcome |
| 19:14.56 | stew | mikeX: if [ "$PS1" ]; then uptime; fi |
| 19:14.58 | casualte | Is there any fresher iso's of Debian testing than those listed here: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/weekly/i386/ ? |
| 19:14.59 | mikeX | btw, is there something similar to .bash_history for zsh? |
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| 19:15.03 | cheal | fjkadfooo: I don't think that would cause a network problem |
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| 19:15.08 | abrotman | casualte: there are dailys |
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| 19:15.11 | mikeX | stew: i see, thanks |
| 19:15.12 | stew | mikeX: $PS1 should only be defined for interactive shells |
| 19:15.14 | syntaxx | takatumi: first on my stock kernel dpkg nvidia-howto then i boot on my custom kernel |
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| 19:15.15 | dan | any suggestions for installing more then exim4-daemon-heavy, spamassassin, spamd, sa-exim, amavisd, frpot and clamav on a mailserver ? |
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| 19:15.21 | abrotman | casualte: but only for netinst |
| 19:15.22 | DocTomoe | Jojosan: because that is what those who develop want. Remember that mose OSS developers do this as a hobby and are not paid for it. They develop what they want, not what others might want. especially if they think the wishews are stupid. |
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| 19:15.38 | cheal | casualte: you don't want fresher isos |
| 19:15.40 | casualte | abrotman, 11 Oct is the lasted one... |
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| 19:15.42 | Defaultx | Warez, full programs, Mp3, GAMES, DVD/CD RIPPERS, E-BOOKS, MAGAZINES, WITHOUT REGISTRY! AT http://www.tododescargas.com.ve |
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| 19:15.47 | syntaxx | takatumi: then follow again dpkg nvidia-howto as custom kernel? |
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| 19:15.53 | fjkadfooo | takatumi, thanks for the tip. my bootlog is now at http://channels.debian.net/paste/928, please help :) |
| 19:15.54 | abrotman | bastard |
| 19:15.56 | mikeX | better ask in #zsh |
| 19:16.12 | takatumi | syntaxx: you should build the modules against the running kernel, why are you switching kernels after the build? |
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| 19:16.21 | maru_ | hi, has something changed with the latest console packages regarding unicode support? after upgrading my unicode setup which worked for years no longer does |
| 19:16.24 | SimonRaven | *sigh*, not again "desktop OS" "blah blah blah". it's what you make of it FFS. you read too much slashdot... |
| 19:16.25 | casualte | cheal, I wan't to do some testing with the Debian testing, but the version from 11 oct did not include the task selection under the installation |
| 19:16.26 | fjkadfooo | why do I keep getting lines like this: Wed Oct 19 07:01:37 2005: WARNING: /etc/modprobe.d/libsane line 1: ignoring bad line starting with 'blacklist' |
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| 19:16.46 | abrotman | SimonRaven: read is fine .. believing is another :) |
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| 19:17.07 | SimonRaven | !ops defauspammer |
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| 19:17.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: defauspammer |
| 19:17.10 | syntaxx | takatumi: no what i mean i already run the nvidia modules in my stock kernel.. and now trying to run bootsplash in a custom kernel and get that error |
| 19:17.16 | SimonRaven | bah |
| 19:17.36 | SimonRaven | fucking thing slow'd down and fucked me up |
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| 19:17.41 | abrotman | SimonRaven: how'd your psace get removed ? |
| 19:17.47 | abrotman | space |
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| 19:18.05 | DocTomoe | Jojosan: still there? |
| 19:18.06 | SimonRaven | @ops Defaultx (n=Zetha@200.84.234.121) spamming |
| 19:18.06 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: Defaultx (n=Zetha@200.84.234.121) spamming |
| 19:18.11 | cheal | casualte: what do you mean? it didn't have tasksel? |
| 19:18.14 | Jojosan | DocTomoe, private message |
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| 19:18.21 | tarzeau | peterS: your mirror dead? |
| 19:18.22 | abrotman | DocTomoe: don't do it! |
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| 19:18.39 | tarzeau | peterS: ah no, just slow :) |
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| 19:19.08 | DocTomoe | Jojosan: abrotman: Well, I'd give it a try, but I didn't get none. I think we might get to some custom channel for this discussion |
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| 19:19.23 | DocTomoe | #shakeyIM for example |
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| 19:19.29 | abrotman | DocTomoe: for the discussion of free vs non-free and how it relates to idiots using the desktop ? :) |
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| 19:19.46 | syntaxx | takatumi: stew told me last night > download new kernel, patch, kp, reboot then nvidia-howto if im not mistaken |
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| 19:20.04 | abrotman | DocTomoe: i'm mostly a minimalist .. so those features are cruft/bloat/worthless to me .. |
| 19:20.07 | DocTomoe | abrotman: I am currently watching about 14 systems doing the debian installer dance ... Why should I not talk to someone in the meantime? |
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| 19:20.10 | casualte | cheal, no tasksel. after the first reboot I dd not get the upportunity to select tasks... |
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| 19:20.16 | abrotman | DocTomoe: /msg dpkg fai :) |
| 19:20.22 | abrotman | and dpyhs |
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| 19:20.24 | abrotman | err dphys |
| 19:20.39 | DocTomoe | what are those? eliza clones or something? |
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| 19:20.50 | takatumi | syntaxx: haven't tried nvidia, so wouldn't know, heard the one-liner works, /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
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| 19:20.51 | fevel | where do I configure the printers ?? |
| 19:20.53 | SimonRaven | spam bots |
| 19:21.02 | Frosted | :( |
| 19:21.12 | beardy | fevel: Depends on what you use to print. |
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| 19:21.16 | syntaxx | takatumi: ok.. so is it ok to compile it again? |
| 19:21.16 | fevel | Ive installed turboprint drivers but the printer is paused |
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| 19:21.32 | fevel | how do I unpause it? |
| 19:21.41 | takatumi | SimonRaven: undo what you've done before you start again. |
| 19:21.49 | abrotman | DocTomoe: also .. apt-proxy is good |
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| 19:21.56 | cheal | shrug, I'd better buy a new printer than turboprint drivers |
| 19:21.58 | SimonRaven | takatumi: eh? |
| 19:22.06 | DocTomoe | know it, love it ... however, it still takes time |
| 19:22.07 | takatumi | syntaxx: ^^ |
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| 19:22.28 | takatumi | SimonRaven: ingnore joins parts quits. (no more spambots) |
| 19:22.44 | stage_ | llslls |
| 19:22.51 | fevel | where Would I go to unpause the printer?? |
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| 19:22.54 | syntaxx | takatumi: whats ^^? yes or no? heeh |
| 19:22.54 | fevel | on gnome |
| 19:22.58 | takatumi | throw in nick changes as well and all is quiet. |
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| 19:23.42 | takatumi | syntaxx: undo what you've done before you start again. |
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| 19:23.54 | SimonRaven | takatumi: i thought you were giving my advice for the day =) |
| 19:23.56 | syntaxx | takatumi: before the? bootsplash? or recompiling kernel? and how? |
| 19:24.07 | SimonRaven | takatumi: er, s/my/me/ |
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| 19:24.17 | takatumi | SimonRaven: if it makes sense, you too. :) |
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| 19:24.27 | SimonRaven | :) |
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| 19:24.43 | frangor | Hola |
| 19:24.55 | takatumi | syntaxx: why are you even fiddling with bootsplash, how many times are you going to boot daily? |
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| 19:25.12 | row | do the marillat archives have a pgp key? |
| 19:25.22 | cheal | casualte: I doubt tasksel was removed from d-i |
| 19:25.30 | stew | row: /msg dpkg marillat key |
| 19:25.44 | syntaxx | takatumi: everyday i boot because when im at school my dad always turned off my pc =/ |
| 19:25.46 | mentor | hmmm. |
| 19:25.47 | casualte | cheal, me too. Could there be something wrong with the iso? |
| 19:26.00 | takatumi | stew: that link is not very helpful these days. |
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| 19:26.08 | fevel | on kjobviewer the printer status is Queued |
| 19:26.14 | stew | takatumi: got a better one? fix it |
| 19:26.20 | fevel | how can i fix that? |
| 19:26.21 | fjkadfooo | takatumi, thanks for the tip. my bootlog is now at http://channels.debian.net/paste/928, please help :) |
| 19:26.41 | fjkadfooo | not just takatumi, I thanked him for the tip get it. ^_^ |
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| 19:27.20 | row | stew I looked at site it gave me could not find the correct pgp key? |
| 19:27.24 | stew | takatumi: maybe we should just be pointing them to Christain Marillat in the debian-keyring package |
| 19:27.28 | cheal | casualte: quite likely. etch d-i is far from 100% working at the moment |
| 19:27.38 | PupenoL | What is the difference between linux-kernel-headers and kernel-headers* |
| 19:27.49 | mentor | Was it just the two spam bots? |
| 19:27.59 | casualte | cheal, joeyh replied here: http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2005/10/msg00882.html |
| 19:28.11 | takatumi | stew: hmm, I did it with instructions from his site, forgot the exact commands. |
| 19:28.13 | casualte | cheal, ok |
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| 19:30.05 | zOap | hmm, I know this isnt the place, but I don't have gnome or kde, anyone know what the command is for crossover office? I use emelfm and I don't know what command to open the exe's with.. |
| 19:30.09 | SnuS | question - how come I can find openswan in the packages.debian.org but not if I apt-cache search it ? I have main in my repository |
| 19:30.28 | cheal | casualte: I see. you could try figuring out which daily is the best to use from http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstallerToday |
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| 19:30.35 | abrotman | !find swan |
| 19:30.37 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'swan' (7): freeswan ;; freeswan-modules-source ;; kernel-patch-freeswan ;; kernel-patch-openswan ;; openswan ;; openswan-modules-source ;; webmin-freeswan. |
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| 19:31.00 | balrog-kun | what's the "sid" directory on debian mirrors for? |
| 19:31.00 | SnuS | abrotman: yeah, but what's wrong with my repository ? "deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free" |
| 19:31.06 | cheal | casualte: or, use the weekly and don't use tasksel. |
| 19:31.12 | md5sum | balrog-kun: unstable release |
| 19:31.14 | stew | row: apt-get install debian-keyring ; gpg --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg --list-keys marillat@debian.org |
| 19:31.26 | balrog-kun | md5sum: thanks |
| 19:31.26 | md5sum | !sid |
| 19:31.27 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 19:31.27 | balzac | hello |
| 19:31.48 | balzac | what dialup software should I use? pon/poff crashes my system. |
| 19:31.55 | casualte | cheal, thanks for your help. Going to read on the wiki now. You don't happen to know tasksel well do you? |
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| 19:32.17 | sussudio | !info freeswan testing |
| 19:32.18 | SnuS | Piggy: why did I get stabbed ? :| |
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| 19:32.27 | cheal | casualte: well, you don't have to know much about tasksel usually. what are you wondering about? |
| 19:32.30 | fjkadfooo | I have this line, Wed Oct 19 13:02:18 2005: Setting up ALSA.../etc/init.d/alsa: Warning: 'alsactl restore' failed with error message 'alsactl: set_control:930: warning: name mismatch (External Amplifier/Duplicate Front) for control #36. Sound still functions, this isn't a bad line right? how do I fix. |
| 19:32.35 | X2 | bye guys |
| 19:32.38 | abrotman | SnuS: oh .. uhm |
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| 19:32.41 | abrotman | !info freeswan |
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| 19:32.44 | dpkg | freeswan: (IPSEC utilities transition package to Openswan), section net, is optional. Version: 2.04-12 (sid), Packaged size: 26 kB, Installed size: 72 kB |
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| 19:32.55 | sussudio | ... |
| 19:33.00 | abrotman | err |
| 19:33.03 | abrotman | !find openswan etch |
| 19:33.14 | cheal | fjkadfooo: I think this is normal under 2.6.12 (right, abrotman?) |
| 19:33.14 | sussudio | !why is freeswan not in testing |
| 19:33.15 | dpkg | freeswan is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=freeswan |
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| 19:33.20 | dpkg | Debian Desc Search of 'openswan' (6): openswan ;; freeswan ;; kernel-patch-openswan ;; freeswan-modules-source ;; openswan-modules-source ;; kernel-patch-freeswan. |
| 19:33.23 | abrotman | it's normal ? |
| 19:33.24 | cheal | fjkadfooo: normal as in a known bug |
| 19:33.33 | abrotman | SnuS: you're mirror could be out of date |
| 19:33.36 | sussudio | abrotman: it's not in testing. |
| 19:33.43 | OneSeventeen | I have 2 network interfaces on my server but only use one. Some coworkers took the server down, unplugged everything, and plugged everything back in, now the network is not working. How do I get back online? |
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| 19:33.57 | abrotman | !info openswan testing |
| 19:34.03 | abrotman | ok |
| 19:34.11 | sussudio | abrotman: see that url |
| 19:34.23 | abrotman | fjkadfooo: if your sound works .. just live the good life |
| 19:34.23 | OneSeventeen | (I have tried restarting using each network interface, and even tried changing to DHCP, still no go) |
| 19:34.24 | takatumi | stew: gpg --armor --export 1F41B907 | apt-key add - |
| 19:34.27 | SnuS | abrotman: I'm looking for openswan, not freeswan.... it is here ( http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/o/openswan/openswan_2.2.0-8_i386.deb ) but not in the package list. |
| 19:34.28 | fjkadfooo | ok. Does anyone know how to correct my /etc/modprobe.d/libsane file? I get a lot of talk about bad lines. the error is : modprobe: WARNING: /etc/modprobe.d/libsane line 1: ignoring bad line starting with 'blacklist' |
| 19:34.32 | abrotman | sussudio: don't tell me .. tell SnuS |
| 19:34.38 | sussudio | freeswan is waiting for openswan, openswan is only 8 days old. It must be 10 days old to go in. |
| 19:34.48 | fjkadfooo | smae thing for line 2 |
| 19:34.58 | takatumi | stew: after gpg --keyserver hkp://wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 :) |
| 19:36.05 | SnuS | sussudio: err. so there was a new openswan release 8 days ago, and it's not in the testing because of that ? |
| 19:36.11 | abrotman | SnuS: i know .. sussudio says openswan isn't in testing right now |
| 19:36.13 | Initiate | can anyone tell me abouta free partitioning tool for linux ? |
| 19:36.22 | abrotman | partd ? |
| 19:36.29 | stew | !marillat key =~ s#read.*#apt-get install debian-keyring && gpg --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg --export 1F41B907 | apt-key add -# |
| 19:36.29 | dpkg | stew: that doesn't contain 'read.*' |
| 19:36.30 | Initiate | thanks abrotman |
| 19:36.32 | casualte | cheal, I am trying to make my own tasks for installation. So I got two alternatives: do it the easy way with tasksel 2.31 or newer (then I do not need any package-list script, but I need a debian installation that has tasksel 2.31, therefor am looking at the testing atm) or by adding the task to the tasksel 2.24 wich is the stable one. But with the stable one I got to make a package-list script, and I got some issues with that... : ) |
| 19:36.36 | abrotman | Initiate: what are you trying to do ? |
| 19:36.48 | stew | takatumi: i'll fix it in /msg |
| 19:36.55 | takatumi | stew: cool. |
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| 19:37.25 | SnuS | abrotman: so I should wget it and dpkg -i ? |
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| 19:38.56 | Initiate | abrotman, i want to install a windows xp on my desktop,so i have to partition my hdd first,right ? |
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| 19:39.14 | cheal | casualte: ah...I don't know tasksel that much |
| 19:39.17 | abrotman | SnuS: that's one option .. though it could make a mess |
| 19:39.20 | lancelot24 | good evening everybody |
| 19:39.22 | abrotman | Initiate: yes |
| 19:39.42 | Initiate | abrotman, i would do something else,but i can't think of anything else to play quake 4 under linux since they don't have a linux release yet :/ |
| 19:39.42 | SnuS | abrotman: and another ? |
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| 19:40.00 | casualte | cheal, hehe, that's ok! |
| 19:40.03 | Initiate | emulate may be ... |
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| 19:40.10 | SimonRaven | talk about lameass spammer script: unqualified address not permitted: failing address in "From" header is: "{%NAME_FROM}" <{%MAIL_FROM}> |
| 19:40.19 | Initiate | but with those requirements it will be sucky i can bet |
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| 19:40.29 | Hoxzer | is there any text based CD/DVD burners for debian? |
| 19:40.29 | lancelot24 | i'll ask here 'cause in the appropriate channel noone has answered me; i need to place a text body closed to a figure in a latex document page. do you guess how to do it? |
| 19:40.34 | SimonRaven | can't even be bothered to configure it... |
| 19:40.35 | stew | casualte: when i was looking to do something similar i ended up just creating a simple debian meta-package that depended on the list of packages i wanted the task to install, so now when I get to a machine i can just "apt-get install stew" and it installs all the stuff i want like screen and vim and less, etc |
| 19:40.37 | md5sum | Hoxzer: cdrecord |
| 19:40.45 | mikeX | Hoxzer: quite a few |
| 19:41.02 | mikeX | Hoxzer: do you mean command line applications, or curses based guis? |
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| 19:41.18 | Hoxzer | mikeX: command line so I can use it via shell |
| 19:41.37 | mikeX | well then as md5sum pointed out, cdrecord is one |
| 19:41.39 | cheal | casualte: yeah, as stew says, unless you're customizing debian, you shouldn't really need tasksel |
| 19:41.49 | md5sum | Hoxzer: http://www.google.com/linux?hl=en&lr=&q=cd%20burner%20console&btnG=Search |
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| 19:41.54 | mikeX | Hoxzer: then you have, cdrdao, growisofs (part of dvd+rw-tools) |
| 19:41.56 | Initiate | abrotman, will i have problems with booting or something after i partition and install the windows ? |
| 19:42.26 | md5sum | mikeX: don't forget cdroast :D |
| 19:42.30 | Initiate | and do i have to format the hdd first or can i just resize it with the curent information it has ? |
| 19:42.52 | mikeX | md5sum: ? I don't know that one :) |
| 19:43.11 | mutante | Initiate: its easier to first install windows and then linux |
| 19:43.36 | paxl | How do we make to keep current package version in an apt-get upgrade [ IE put some packages ] in kept back |
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| 19:43.42 | md5sum | mikeX: oh sorry that's xcdroast |
| 19:43.44 | casualte | cheal & stew, I guess am "customizing" debian then;) |
| 19:43.49 | SimonRaven | @tell paxl -about hold |
| 19:43.50 | mikeX | md5sum: oh :) |
| 19:43.58 | Initiate | well mutante i already have debian and i don't want to change it ... it's still possible,right ? |
| 19:44.06 | comex | Xnest is refusing all of my connections to it. |
| 19:44.22 | lancelot24 | noone read me?:-( |
| 19:44.26 | cheal | casualte: if you want a daily, the page seems to indicate that 2005-10-17 would be the best bet |
| 19:44.26 | paxl | thank you SimonRaven |
| 19:44.30 | md5sum | Initiate: windows likes to overwrite the boot sector |
| 19:44.40 | SimonRaven | paxl: :) |
| 19:44.40 | md5sum | Initiate: without asking you :) heh |
| 19:44.44 | mutante | Initiate: its is, but windows will probably wipe the bootmanager and you need to install and configure "grub" or "lilo" |
| 19:44.46 | casualte | cheal, what page?! |
| 19:45.04 | casualte | cheal, ah the wiki, but I do not find any link to the iso? |
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| 19:45.28 | md5sum | Maybe that would be a good antitrust lawsuit... installing windows MAKES you boot into their operating system |
| 19:45.30 | md5sum | heh |
| 19:45.48 | walterbrunswick | lol |
| 19:45.48 | Initiate | mutante, is that hard to do ? |
| 19:45.50 | mutante | Initiate: you'll have to boot from some cd and get into a rescue console, install/config bootmanager to include both OSes and reboot |
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| 19:46.12 | walterbrunswick | abrotman: ! |
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| 19:46.36 | Initiate | mutante, does debian net install cd work ? |
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| 19:46.55 | walterbrunswick | I don't want to bother you with the basic problems I have, but it's preventing me from using Debian the way I want to :( |
| 19:47.08 | takatumi | SimonRaven: will 'or aptitude hold <foo>' fit there are well? |
| 19:47.29 | mutante | Initiate: i think so, type "rescue" at boot prompt |
| 19:47.32 | elvirolo | how do i configure the system so that a cdrom is automatically mounted when i insert it ? |
| 19:48.19 | SimonRaven | takatumi: worth a shot |
| 19:48.22 | cheal | casualte: it looks like only the last dailies are kept (http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/build-logs.html) |
| 19:48.42 | takatumi | SimonRaven: what about or 'wajig hold <foo>' as well? :P |
| 19:48.49 | mutante | elvirolo: seen this one yet ? gnome-volume-manager - GNOME daemon to auto-mount and manage media devices |
| 19:48.50 | fjkadfooo | I always have to mount my external USB HDD manually --- it's in fstab but when fstab runs it says that /dev/sda1 isn't a valid block device because I dont' think it's loaded the right things to detect the drive when it runs fstab. How can I have it mount automatically? |
| 19:48.55 | SimonRaven | no one uses wajig ;p |
| 19:49.02 | md5sum | !autofs |
| 19:49.02 | dpkg | i heard autofs is a kernel-based automounter for Linux, or silly to use 5 minutes as a default timeout for unmounting, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/127 |
| 19:49.04 | elvirolo | mutante: actually i use kde |
| 19:49.15 | elvirolo | md5sum: thanks |
| 19:49.20 | takatumi | SimonRaven: works rather well though. |
| 19:49.41 | fjkadfooo | and my Marvell Yukon onboard ethernet still doesn't work after installing nVidia's drivers |
| 19:49.57 | casualte | cheal, oh, well then... |
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| 19:50.53 | abrotman | walter? |
| 19:50.54 | ratonn | any reason to use apache 1.3 src rather than debian package? |
| 19:51.02 | waltz | abrotman: h-e-l-p! |
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| 19:51.04 | abrotman | Initiate: install windows first |
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| 19:51.13 | waltz | gnome is truly fucked up |
| 19:51.13 | abrotman | waltz is walterbrunswick ? |
| 19:51.20 | SimonRaven | takatumi: i tried it when i was a) a newbie b) when it came out. i was totally confused by it, haven't since. maybe i should give it another go =) |
| 19:51.25 | waltz | 'ndeed |
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| 19:51.32 | abrotman | waltz: define fucked up |
| 19:51.34 | cheal | ratonn: ur, what do you think that #debian will answer to that? |
| 19:51.38 | md5sum | waltz: gnome r0x |
| 19:51.41 | abrotman | SnuS: that's just as good an option as anything else :) |
| 19:51.44 | Initiate | abrotman, i prefer not to .... even if it costs me a few more troubles during the install |
| 19:51.47 | waltz | I'm sure it does when it works properly. |
| 19:51.55 | mutante | ratonn: compiling from source means you can tweak more to your specific needs,but also means you cant just apt-get upgrade it,and have to take care of everything yourself |
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| 19:52.04 | ratonn | I'd like to do everything through apt but the php4 package doesn't spport turckmmcache |
| 19:52.05 | ratonn | :( |
| 19:52.08 | takatumi | SimonRaven: ceteris paribus |
| 19:52.11 | waltz | abrotman: When I move the cursor over objects the objects are highlighted in a light-blue colour. |
| 19:52.12 | md5sum | waltz: ju57 1|k3 my 1337-5p33k |
| 19:52.17 | md5sum | hehehe j/k |
| 19:52.25 | ratonn | what's the maxclient limit with the apt pkg? |
| 19:52.33 | cheal | ratonn: are you sure it's not the other way around? |
| 19:52.36 | SimonRaven | takatumi: eh? |
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| 19:52.38 | Unified | hi |
| 19:52.47 | ratonn | cheal: correct |
| 19:52.47 | waltz | And when I move a window it "smudges" what I move the window over. |
| 19:52.51 | fjkadfooo | also, is there any way to get numlock turned on automatically on bootup? |
| 19:52.52 | abrotman | Initiate: whatever |
| 19:52.56 | Unified | does anyone knows a tv card (analog, pcmcia or usb) that works with debian? |
| 19:53.04 | abrotman | waltz: sounds like a buggy X driver .. i don't thinkt hat's gnome |
| 19:53.06 | fjkadfooo | I think KDM might take it off actually, so it probably has to do with that |
| 19:53.11 | ratonn | turckmmcache support ended at php 4.3.5 |
| 19:53.17 | waltz | could very well be sir |
| 19:53.24 | cheal | ratonn: so what, turck mmcache doesn't support php4 anymore, does it? |
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| 19:53.46 | takatumi | SimonRaven: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceteris_paribus (unnecessary ramble, ignore) |
| 19:53.48 | SimonRaven | turck mmcache is pretty old, in sid |
| 19:53.54 | waltz | also, when I start AviWord processor and soon after typing a few characters it brutally crashes. |
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| 19:54.06 | waltz | But wait, that's not all!!! ... :( |
| 19:54.15 | waltz | apt-get remove results in segfaults |
| 19:54.23 | ratonn | Is there an alternative to turckmmcache that's packged in apt? |
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| 19:54.55 | mutante | Unified: check linuxtv.org |
| 19:55.03 | cheal | ratonn: nothing is "packaged in apt". there's no alternative in debian |
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| 19:55.26 | lethe | Il ya t-il quelqu'un qui c,est comment monter une cle usb linux je vous remercie d'avance |
| 19:55.34 | ratonn | so there are no apt-ed php accelerators? |
| 19:55.50 | DocDoom | hello:-) |
| 19:55.51 | cheal | !fr |
| 19:55.51 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 19:55.52 | mutante | lethe: try: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/mystick |
| 19:56.10 | waltz | help? |
| 19:56.31 | cheal | ratonn: "apt-ed" means nothing. there are no working php accelerators in debian |
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| 19:57.16 | abrotman | cows! |
| 19:57.26 | thecoolestcow | yes, and i am the coolest |
| 19:57.27 | abrotman | which .. i totally didn't see thecoolestcow enter |
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| 19:57.35 | ratonn | cheal: if i use my own httpd.conf will apt still be able to install apache mods? |
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| 19:57.50 | abrotman | waltz: which version of debian are you running ? |
| 19:57.53 | mutante | abrotman: man cowsay ? |
| 19:57.54 | hramrach | Hello |
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| 19:57.56 | abrotman | !moo |
| 19:57.56 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 19:58.00 | SimonRaven | takatumi: thanks |
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| 19:58.18 | thecoolestcow | hey, when i use sane (xsane and quiteinsane), i can only see my scanner as root. why is this, and how can i fix it? |
| 19:58.28 | cheal | ratonn: what do you mean by "your own"?. I'm not aware of httpd.conf being Debian-specific, but if it is, I don't know |
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| 19:59.01 | thecoolestcow | apt-get moo |
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| 19:59.03 | thecoolestcow | hehe |
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| 19:59.20 | thecoolestcow | holy sweetness its an ascii cow |
| 19:59.24 | sander | how can I change the language of my system... the menu's.. and stuff |
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| 19:59.49 | abrotman | !sane |
| 19:59.49 | dpkg | Scanner Access Now Easy makes scanning...easy, or http://www.sane-project.org/ |
| 20:00.00 | abrotman | sander: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 20:00.02 | md5sum | sander: scream at it in the language you want |
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| 20:00.11 | mutante | thecoolestcow: ls /usr/share/cowsay/cows |
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| 20:00.47 | thecoolestcow | mutante: nothin in there, no directory |
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| 20:01.00 | mutante | thecoolestcow: apt-get install cowsay; man cowsay |
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| 20:01.11 | waltz | 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Thu May 19 17:40:50 JST 2005 |
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| 20:01.20 | waltz | abrotman: ^^ |
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| 20:02.11 | abrotman | waltz: that's a kernel . not a version of debian :0 |
| 20:02.26 | waltz | how do I get the version? |
| 20:02.44 | abrotman | look in your sources |
| 20:02.50 | md5sum | is there a new site for gdesklets or something? |
| 20:02.55 | mutante | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:02.58 | waltz | how do I get the version in bash? |
| 20:03.03 | abrotman | gdesklets.gnomedestkop.org |
| 20:03.07 | SimonRaven | !version |
| 20:03.07 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:03.07 | abrotman | mutante: doesn't wrok for etch/sid |
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| 20:03.14 | streuner | waltz: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
| 20:03.33 | abrotman | oh .. and your first born's name |
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| 20:04.14 | mutante | abrotman: oh, didnt know, how come |
| 20:04.22 | waltz | No packages found matching lib6. |
| 20:04.35 | stew | waltz: libc6 not lib6 |
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| 20:04.39 | abrotman | mutante: usually says "testing/unstable" .. which there is a difference |
| 20:05.03 | waltz | 2.3.2.ds1-22 |
| 20:05.16 | stew | ten HUT! |
| 20:05.22 | abrotman | waltz: also .. dpkg -l xserver-xorg |
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| 20:05.28 | abrotman | shush .. iknow! |
| 20:05.43 | waltz | No packages found matching xserver-xorg. |
| 20:05.48 | abrotman | yay |
| 20:05.48 | stew | fall in! |
| 20:05.51 | waltz | I have xserver-xfree86 actually |
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| 20:05.56 | abrotman | just making sure :) |
| 20:06.01 | waltz | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 20:06.01 | waltz | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 20:06.01 | waltz | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 20:06.01 | waltz | ||/ Name Version Description |
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| 20:06.08 | stew | awesome |
| 20:06.11 | SimonRaven | ... |
| 20:06.11 | syntaxx | is it possible to update specific application? |
| 20:06.13 | abrotman | hehe |
| 20:06.16 | Shadowcat | haha |
| 20:06.20 | Shadowcat | nice flood prevention |
| 20:06.23 | SimonRaven | duh |
| 20:06.32 | streuner | argh |
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| 20:06.45 | m0rbid | Is there any way to turn a deb system into some sortah fax server? I have 6 clients and would like to make this one debian system handle faxs, so it take the load of the clients. |
| 20:06.49 | casualte | Do anyone know how to build a .deb package here? Could need some help building a deb out of my modified tasksel 2.24 source here... |
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| 20:07.00 | mutante | syntaxx: apt-get install it a second time, and it will upgrade if available |
| 20:07.02 | stew | casualte: dpkg-buidpackage -rfakeroot |
| 20:07.05 | ratonn | how do i get apt to install apxs fo rapache? |
| 20:07.07 | tarzeau | casualte: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian/ |
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| 20:07.12 | walterbrunswick | sorry |
| 20:07.21 | tarzeau | casualte: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ sorry |
| 20:07.23 | abrotman | !punish walterbrunswick |
| 20:07.33 | walterbrunswick | tux eats balls? :o |
| 20:07.33 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 20:07.33 | syntaxx | mutante, i see so the version i want is not yet available on stable |
| 20:07.34 | m0rbid | nice. |
| 20:07.42 | Shadowcat | they should feed the balls to the former owner |
| 20:07.48 | Shadowcat | that'd be the ultimate punishment |
| 20:07.49 | walterbrunswick | heh |
| 20:07.50 | SimonRaven | hmm, make for a good dinner |
| 20:07.57 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 20:07.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qotd144 is < LightVision> madradrone: if I log in at login screen as normal user, I wouldnt be IRC as root would i? |
| 20:07.58 | abrotman | with poutine! |
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| 20:08.08 | abrotman | hehe |
| 20:08.10 | SimonRaven | prairie oysters! |
| 20:08.13 | mutante | syntaxx: then you either need to edit your sources.list or manually install a .deb ,or compile from source ,i guess |
| 20:08.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: if you wrote code instead of lines in irc .. i'm not sure how the world would be different |
| 20:08.28 | Shadowcat | xorg wil never be in stable |
| 20:08.32 | Shadowcat | will* |
| 20:08.36 | SimonRaven | @lart Shadowcat for undeserved larting |
| 20:08.37 | Shadowcat | not until the next release anyway |
| 20:08.37 | abrotman | tarzeau: i used to write code |
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| 20:08.44 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: why not? |
| 20:08.46 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 20:08.46 | dpkg | debstats is probably managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 20:08.51 | abrotman | tarzeau: ? |
| 20:08.57 | streuner | Shadowcat: in future it will ;-) |
| 20:09.02 | walterbrunswick | abrotman: #flood |
| 20:09.10 | tarzeau | abrotman: number of lines: 7863 .. hm |
| 20:09.18 | abrotman | tarzeau: !seen abrotman |
| 20:09.23 | casualte | thanks tarzeau and stew, but I have managed to build a working package of the source, the problem is that I do not know how to add addition files to the package. I wan't to add a file to the ./usr/lib/tasksel/packages folder "inside" the deb file |
| 20:09.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: what did you use to write? in what language? where can i .. hehe inspect it? |
| 20:09.28 | Shadowcat | streuner: as I said, until the next release |
| 20:09.36 | Shadowcat | and god knows when that'll happen |
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| 20:09.46 | thecoolestcow | lol |
| 20:09.47 | tarzeau | casualte: why? which package? |
| 20:09.49 | abrotman | tarzeau: for work .. my first job after Uni was PHP .. and it was for a .com that is long gone |
| 20:09.53 | stew | casualte: look at debian/rules |
| 20:10.05 | tarzeau | abrotman: url? maybe i find it in web.archive.org ;) |
| 20:10.08 | abrotman | walterbrunswick: what if you try blackbox or something ? |
| 20:10.12 | abrotman | tarzeau: let me look |
| 20:10.21 | streuner | Shadowcat: crap! think about the last release, debian showed us it can release any time |
| 20:10.30 | walterbrunswick | blackbox testing? |
| 20:10.40 | casualte | tarzeau, testing purpose, I need to place my package-list script in that folder to make my task work |
| 20:10.45 | Shadowcat | streuner: then again, if they stick to a new proposed six month release schedule |
| 20:10.49 | abrotman | !info blackbox |
| 20:10.51 | dpkg | blackbox: (Window manager for X), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.70.0-5 (sid), Packaged size: 378 kB, Installed size: 1176 kB |
| 20:10.53 | Shadowcat | they should have something by spring |
| 20:10.58 | Shadowcat | I wouldn't be on that though |
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| 20:11.15 | tarzeau | casualte: tasksel? |
| 20:11.23 | casualte | stew, I've done, and tried to edit it several times, no succes |
| 20:11.32 | casualte | tarzeau, yes, tasksel |
| 20:11.32 | walterbrunswick | abrotman: Is my X server up-to-date? |
| 20:11.43 | abrotman | tarzeau: http://web.archive.org/web/20001002182528/bankzip.com/depts/home/home.asp ... they don't have the PHP version in the archive |
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| 20:11.48 | Shadowcat | !info xserver-xorg testing |
| 20:11.50 | abrotman | walterbrunswick: seems so |
| 20:11.52 | tarzeau | casualte: you could install/cp it from the install target in debian/rules ... |
| 20:11.54 | dpkg | xserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 6.8.2.dfsg.1-7 (etch), Packaged size: 5571 kB, Installed size: 15736 kB |
| 20:11.58 | Shadowcat | hmm |
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| 20:12.02 | Shadowcat | latest version is 1.9 |
| 20:12.18 | Shadowcat | !info xserver-xorg unstable |
| 20:12.21 | abrotman | tarzeau: my job was to rewrite all that in PHP because .. well .. the ASP was HORRIBLE |
| 20:12.25 | dpkg | xserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 6.8.2.dfsg.1-9 (sid), Packaged size: 5582 kB, Installed size: 15752 kB |
| 20:12.30 | Shadowcat | there we go |
| 20:12.36 | tarzeau | abrotman: and now it's all gone. PHP is what? |
| 20:12.38 | Shadowcat | you're about two versions behind walterbrunswick |
| 20:12.39 | abrotman | tarzeau: there was more to it than just that site .. there was an entire subsection .. |
| 20:12.41 | casualte | tarzeau, but where should the install or cp target be? |
| 20:12.45 | abrotman | tarzeau: PHP is a web language |
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| 20:12.46 | abrotman | !php |
| 20:12.46 | dpkg | [php] not asp. Can't get php to work? Remember that php3 looks for the extension .php3 ! .php is for php4 To change this, edit the mime type in httpd.conf. Get php4-mysql if you want mysql support too, or oh, and make sure to uncomment the php module from httpd.conf !!, or for php4, make sure this line is in httpd.conf: LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so, or remember, there are quite a few debian users in #php |
| 20:12.52 | abrotman | ok .. that's outdated :) |
| 20:13.00 | tarzeau | abrotman: i mean in related terms like HORRIBLE |
| 20:13.03 | Shadowcat | so fix it :P |
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| 20:13.13 | abrotman | tarzeau: no .. the ASP was roadkill horrible |
| 20:13.14 | tarzeau | casualte: in the install part of debian/rules ? |
| 20:13.28 | abrotman | tarzeau: a big cow .. struck at 120kph .. |
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| 20:13.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: you don't want to sit in a european car if you try that |
| 20:14.11 | morphje | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:14.13 | AD|GA | 27947 |
| 20:14.13 | AD|GA | 27947 |
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| 20:14.19 | waltz | why would 'apt-get remove' segfault? |
| 20:14.29 | Shadowcat | are you running apt from unstable? |
| 20:14.31 | waltz | and why are all apps crashing/not starting in X? |
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| 20:14.35 | abrotman | waltz: i think you're having serious hardware issues |
| 20:14.36 | waltz | no, stable |
| 20:14.38 | tarzeau | waltz: you got sid? |
| 20:14.45 | Shadowcat | corrupt cd? |
| 20:14.48 | waltz | sid? |
| 20:14.50 | Shadowcat | gremlins? |
| 20:14.52 | tarzeau | waltz: unstable |
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| 20:14.56 | waltz | no, cds are ok |
| 20:14.58 | abrotman | waltz: dpkg -l apt | tail -1 |
| 20:15.02 | tarzeau | waltz: harddisk? |
| 20:15.02 | waltz | ...using a stable release |
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| 20:15.11 | waltz | harddisk a sata and is ok |
| 20:15.11 | Shadowcat | apt doesn't segfault in unstable |
| 20:15.13 | tarzeau | waltz: which stable release? |
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| 20:15.13 | Shadowcat | yet... |
| 20:15.17 | casualte | tarzeau, no I mean: Where should I install/cp my package-list script so it is placed in ./usr/lib/tasksel/packages. There is no such folder in the dir I extracted the source, but the folder exict if I browse the fresh deb with an archiver... |
| 20:15.19 | Jojosan_ | I have to go now, see you all later. |
| 20:15.44 | xoz | waltz: have you tried reboot and check if it still segfaults? what about goto init 1 and check? |
| 20:15.46 | tarzeau | casualte: i don't get it, just cp yourfile whereveryouwantit |
| 20:16.17 | waltz | init segfaults |
| 20:16.26 | waltz | and then I reboot and it runs ok |
| 20:16.27 | tarzeau | waltz: works like a champion here |
| 20:16.30 | abrotman | dude .. your machine is dying ? |
| 20:16.38 | waltz | that's great for you |
| 20:16.38 | abrotman | tarzeau: !seen abrotman |
| 20:16.40 | xoz | waltz: memtest |
| 20:16.40 | hramrach | casualte: and if you really want it in the deb then unpack it, add the file, and repack it |
| 20:16.43 | paxl | will somtime firefox will stop segfaulting due to Xorg ?? |
| 20:16.45 | Shadowcat | sounds like serious hardware errors |
| 20:16.49 | abrotman | tarzeau: are you saying i should quit #d and right code again ? |
| 20:16.52 | abrotman | err write code |
| 20:16.55 | tarzeau | paxl: i doubt |
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| 20:17.01 | casualte | hramrach, sure that work? |
| 20:17.02 | hramrach | paxl: it does not for me |
| 20:17.08 | waltz | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 20:17.09 | waltz | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 20:17.09 | waltz | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 20:17.09 | waltz | ||/ Name Version Description |
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| 20:17.12 | Shadowcat | firefox doesn't segfauly in XOrg |
| 20:17.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: nah, well maybe, what would you write? |
| 20:17.20 | Lounis_ | hi, I added an entry to the wishlist (Bug#334117) but I can't find it now, can you help me? |
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| 20:17.25 | waltz | goddamnit |
| 20:17.27 | Shadowcat | waltz: stop pasting |
| 20:17.29 | paxl | if I try to see the site www.xe.com it segfault simply and cleanly |
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| 20:17.42 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'd need something fun! |
| 20:17.43 | hramrach | casualte: yes, you unpack and repack it with dpkg-deb |
| 20:17.48 | tarzeau | Lounis_: i can: bugs.debian.org/334117 |
| 20:18.02 | casualte | hramrach, ok, will try that, thank you! |
| 20:18.05 | tarzeau | Lounis_: why don't you do it yourself? www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ |
| 20:18.10 | waltz | ii apt 0.5.28.6 Advanced front-end for dpkg |
| 20:18.11 | xoz | waltz: have you dist-upgraded lately? sounds either you have a fckd hw or package deps |
| 20:18.18 | tarzeau | abrotman: c++! |
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| 20:18.28 | abrotman | tarzeau: i used to write a lot of C++ |
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| 20:18.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: you had no fun? |
| 20:19.04 | tarzeau | paxl: doesn't segfault here |
| 20:19.07 | Lounis_ | tarzeau, I think I will do it myself... :-) |
| 20:19.12 | tarzeau | paxl: which version of firefox exactly? |
| 20:19.17 | waltz | also, at times I can't log, as it doesn't recognize the username or accept the passwords |
| 20:19.19 | dli | can I assigne eth0 to a fix NIC card? or I can specify MAC address in /etc/network/interfaces, rather than eth0 ? |
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| 20:19.37 | tarzeau | dli: man 5 interfaces |
| 20:19.51 | stew | dli: apt-cache show ifrename |
| 20:19.57 | abrotman | tarzeau: nah .. it was ok .. but i'm no kernel hacker |
| 20:20.09 | dli | tarzeau, stew thanks |
| 20:20.14 | xoz | waltz: your system doesn't like you. you have broken packages. reboot and dist-upgrade and check the errors. |
| 20:20.37 | tarzeau | abrotman: i doubt "the" "kernel" has any c++ ... |
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| 20:20.47 | abrotman | tarzeau: you know what i mean |
| 20:20.50 | roboo | hi |
| 20:20.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: you know you can also write games, applications and other stuff |
| 20:20.57 | tarzeau | abrotman: yeah |
| 20:21.00 | dli | can I use gcc-3.4 as the default gcc? in testing, gcc is gcc-4.0 |
| 20:21.05 | abrotman | tarzeau: xpete is a fun game! |
| 20:21.06 | waltz | xoz: This is my fourth installation |
| 20:21.11 | tarzeau | dli: yes check /usr/bin/gcc |
| 20:21.18 | LSorensen | dli: changing the default gcc is NOT a good idea, |
| 20:21.30 | tarzeau | LSorensen: why not? |
| 20:21.31 | roboo | http://pastebin.com/399032 <- can you help me about this error ? |
| 20:21.32 | waltz | how do I dist-upgrade? |
| 20:21.38 | Thanatermesis | what is // ? |
| 20:21.38 | LSorensen | dli: Some libraries are dependany on a certain version. Much better to specify the version to use on a per case basis |
| 20:21.43 | Thanatermesis | ( cd // ) |
| 20:21.43 | tarzeau | abrotman: which package? |
| 20:21.45 | dli | tarzeau, /usr/bin/gcc is a symbolic link :( |
| 20:21.49 | stew | waltz: do you have bad memory or motherboard perhaps? |
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| 20:21.50 | tarzeau | dli: got it? |
| 20:21.51 | hramrach | paxl: I can see the site. In firefox on Xorg |
| 20:21.52 | xoz | waltz: you haven't played with apt or installed packages from sid? |
| 20:21.52 | abrotman | tarzeau: xpete.seul.org |
| 20:21.53 | tarzeau | dli: think more |
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| 20:22.03 | dli | LSorensen, in gentoo, there's a gcc-config |
| 20:22.04 | waltz | not at all xoz |
| 20:22.12 | LSorensen | dli: well that's gentoo |
| 20:22.14 | waltz | stew: no |
| 20:22.22 | Lounis_ | hum...did you read that : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarkShuttleworth..., what do you think about ubuntu? |
| 20:22.24 | tarzeau | dli: if debian would make a -config script for every symlink they do ... |
| 20:22.35 | LSorensen | dli: not everything in gentoo is precompiled with a certain gcc version. on gentoo that is your problem to worry about |
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| 20:22.43 | dli | tarzeau, my problem is I have to compile 2.4-openmosix kernel with gcc-3.4 |
| 20:22.44 | tarzeau | waltz: #gentoo |
| 20:22.53 | LSorensen | dli: what reason do you have for wanting to change the default compiler? |
| 20:22.58 | waltz | ...nothing works for me in Debian :( |
| 20:23.04 | tarzeau | dli: that's fine, just link gcc to gcc-3.4 |
| 20:23.04 | stew | waltz: stable REALLY shouldn't be segfaulting on apt-get |
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| 20:23.12 | tarzeau | waltz: then go use gentoo |
| 20:23.15 | dli | LSorensen, open mosix 2.4 kernel |
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| 20:23.22 | waltz | stew: I have no explanations. |
| 20:23.24 | LSorensen | dli: so either recompile the kernel or just specify CC=gcc-3.4 when compiling kernel stuff. module assistant already deals with that for debian kernel module stuff |
| 20:23.32 | dli | tarzeau, I got troubles with cpp, then |
| 20:23.33 | stew | waltz: what makes you so sure its not a hardware problem? |
| 20:23.41 | tarzeau | dli: then also check /usr/bin/cpp :) |
| 20:23.45 | casualte | hramrach, There is no debian/rules file in the folder I extracted the deb file using the dpkg-deb --extract command |
| 20:23.49 | waltz | tarzeau: Shut up. I isntalled Debian because I wanted Debian, not Gentoo. |
| 20:24.00 | jstevens | dli: Check out update-alternatives |
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| 20:24.06 | tarzeau | waltz: then stop whining about how debian doesn't work for you and considering gentoo. |
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| 20:24.16 | hramrach | casualte: there is also a command for extracting the control file |
| 20:24.16 | waltz | stew: The 2.6 series kernel works with SATA drives. |
| 20:24.22 | azeem | tarzeau: you could also recommend ubuntu |
| 20:24.22 | stew | yes |
| 20:24.24 | tarzeau | waltz: so do the 2.4 kernels |
| 20:24.25 | LSorensen | waltz: at least with some controllers |
| 20:24.27 | dli | LSorensen, I have to edit Makefile in kernel :(, CC= doesn't work |
| 20:24.29 | thecoolestcow | hey, question: why doesnt /etc/hotplug/usb have libsane.usermap and libusbscanner? must i make them? |
| 20:24.43 | dli | jstevens, /usr/bin/gcc is not under /etc/alternatives |
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| 20:24.59 | tarzeau | dli: that's why you just rm /usr/bin/gcc and ln -s it to what you want |
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| 20:25.03 | LSorensen | dli: make CC=gcc-3.4 bzimage or use make-kpkg (prefered on debian and by sane admins) with MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.4" or something like that |
| 20:25.10 | jstevens | dli: Oh, my bad. Yes, you are correct. That seems odd. |
| 20:25.30 | dli | tarzeau, can they make a gcc-config, since debian does allow several versions of gcc installed |
| 20:25.32 | tarzeau | abrotman: no screenshots? |
| 20:25.33 | LSorensen | jstevens: given the abi dependancy of libs, it makes sense. gcc versions are not something to be changed on a whim |
| 20:25.38 | waltz | I have Ubuntu CDs, so I'm going to have a go at it. |
| 20:25.39 | casualte | hramrach, what command? |
| 20:25.39 | abrotman | tarzeau: really ? |
| 20:25.46 | dli | LSorensen, no, I have to change for gcc, g++, cpp |
| 20:25.48 | tarzeau | dli: i'm not they. go ask them. meanwhile change the symlink |
| 20:25.52 | zest66 | is there anyone french here??????????? |
| 20:25.52 | abrotman | tarzeau: well .. ti still builds on sarge .. so it might work on etch/sid .. |
| 20:25.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: really ! |
| 20:25.55 | tarzeau | !fr |
| 20:25.55 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 20:25.55 | hramrach | .. with some controllers and some drives. I had to patch every kernel to access a pata drive connected to a sata controller :/ |
| 20:26.00 | abrotman | tarzeau: i could package that and become a DD!!! |
| 20:26.06 | jstevens | LSorensen: gotcha. |
| 20:26.07 | tarzeau | abrotman: HAHAHAHA |
| 20:26.07 | dli | tarzeau, right now, I just go the kernel source, change Makefile |
| 20:26.10 | tarzeau | abrotman: go right ahead |
| 20:26.24 | LSorensen | dli: so you do it in a similar way. Most decent code has a way to specify the compiler without editing the makefile. Or course some people can't write a decent makefile to save their life... :) |
| 20:26.30 | thecoolestcow | etc/hotplug/usb/libsane.usermap and /libusbscanner doesnt exist. do i have to create it? |
| 20:26.33 | abrotman | tarzeau: somehow .. i don't think they'd accept it |
| 20:26.50 | dli | LSorensen, it's the linux kernel ?? |
| 20:26.51 | rixth_ | Hey guys, is there a script/program to write the network interfaces file for you? |
| 20:26.51 | tarzeau | abrotman: who, they? not accept what? |
| 20:27.01 | LSorensen | dli: there is no g++ in the linux kernel |
| 20:27.02 | abrotman | the ftp-masters .. it's just another game .. |
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| 20:27.09 | tarzeau | abrotman: i doubt |
| 20:27.09 | FlimFlamMan | https://server/viewcvs/ just returns a viewcvs information page. what is the url for my subversion repository? |
| 20:27.12 | LSorensen | dli: all you have to tell it is CC |
| 20:27.19 | abrotman | nothing novel . except it pokes fun at pseubodot |
| 20:27.23 | dli | LSorensen, hold on, let me double check |
| 20:27.28 | tarzeau | abrotman: if you make the package good, there's nobody going to stop you, especially not ftp-masters |
| 20:27.31 | abrotman | !iapf |
| 20:27.31 | dpkg | iapf is probably It's All Pete's Fault(http://www.itsallpetesfault.org) |
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| 20:27.35 | abrotman | tarzeau: same pete ^^ |
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| 20:27.43 | fwtest | if there is new security update for installed apps, how can i know that from my box? |
| 20:27.43 | tarzeau | abrotman: just two weeks ago some very bad game got it, it was so horrible it didn't live more than 5minutes on my harddisk |
| 20:27.46 | abrotman | tarzeau: and pete == pseubodot |
| 20:27.57 | hramrach | rixth_: if the installer did not do it for you you will probably have to write the file yourself |
| 20:27.58 | tarzeau | abrotman: that webpage is "down for maintenance" |
| 20:28.00 | LSorensen | dli: make CC=gcc-3.4 or MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.4" make-kpkg options should do it. |
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| 20:28.04 | castlerock | hi all |
| 20:28.06 | abrotman | fwtest: subsribe to d-s-a |
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| 20:28.09 | abrotman | tarzeau: i know |
| 20:28.14 | tarzeau | abrotman: i wonder why you didn't get addicted to nethack still |
| 20:28.23 | castlerock | how can I get rid of the nasty, white/gray checkerboard X11 startup background the one that comes before KDM or GDM start up |
| 20:28.30 | dli | LSorensen, you are right, only CC and HOSTCC in kernel. g++ and cpp are from openmosix |
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| 20:28.37 | LSorensen | dli: right. |
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| 20:28.42 | tarzeau | castlerock: UTSL |
| 20:28.43 | jstevens | fwtest: aptitude update; aptitude upgrade? |
| 20:28.47 | roboo | :)) tarzeau yine karistiriyon ortaligi |
| 20:28.49 | LSorensen | dli: no clue what openmosix's build system is like |
| 20:28.51 | abrotman | tarzeau: i got addicted to #d ? :) |
| 20:28.54 | castlerock | tarzeau > UTSL? |
| 20:28.55 | rixth_ | hramrach, the Debian installer loaded the module and everything for my network but refused to confiure it. It has worked in the past, however. I know there is a program that does it but i can't remember its name. |
| 20:28.57 | tarzeau | !UTSL |
| 20:28.57 | dpkg | i guess utsl is Use The Source, Luke (loose translation: you think this has *comments*, huh?). If it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand. |
| 20:29.03 | tarzeau | roboo: ana, sen nerden ciktin? |
| 20:29.05 | j_d2 | Hi, im trying to find out why my server shut down for no apparent reason, i can see a shutdown command in /var/log/messages. |
| 20:29.06 | dli | LSorensen, it's quite useful to me, but just never stable |
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| 20:29.08 | fwtest | abrotman, what is d-s-a? |
| 20:29.08 | LSorensen | dli: but you can build the kernel with whatever compiler you want using that method |
| 20:29.09 | j_d2 | but how can i see what issued it? |
| 20:29.10 | castlerock | tarzeau > what is UTSL? |
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| 20:29.11 | roboo | tarzeau: malum yerden :) |
| 20:29.14 | abrotman | !security |
| 20:29.14 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade". If you're still running woody, consider "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US/contrib non-US/main non-US/non-free" for non-us security, or ask me about testing security or unstable security |
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| 20:29.16 | Dave_ | afternoon all |
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| 20:29.20 | tarzeau | castlerock: read what dpkg said |
| 20:29.24 | scx | Guys: what can I use to open and edit an .iso on Linux ? |
| 20:29.24 | abrotman | fwtest: go tot hat site .. subsribe to the mailing list |
| 20:29.30 | dli | LSorensen, the kernel is okay. but not the openmosix patch for it |
| 20:29.31 | jstevens | fwtest: debian-security-announce |
| 20:29.31 | Dave_ | I'm at my wits end, I desperately need help getting debian to install |
| 20:29.32 | tarzeau | scx: fopen |
| 20:29.34 | abrotman | scx: mount over loopback |
| 20:29.35 | LSorensen | dli: any reason you can't rebuild the kernel using 4.0 and just use 4.0 for everything? 3.4 and 4.0 seem rather compabible in general |
| 20:29.49 | abrotman | LSorensen: you think .. just a little bit ? |
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| 20:29.55 | roboo | tarzeau: http://pastebin.com/399032 have you an idea :) |
| 20:29.56 | stew | E-bola3: root is the only one who can shutdown unless you changed that. check /var/log/auth.log and "last" to see root logins |
| 20:29.58 | dli | LSorensen, no, not " label: }", 4.0 doesn't accept it |
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| 20:30.10 | jstevens | fwtest: Check the mailing list pages on debian.org. You'll see the dsa list. |
| 20:30.11 | castlerock | tarzeau > but how does this help me get rid of the nasty background? I am running 3.1 Sarge |
| 20:30.11 | xoz | dli: what kernel you use for the patch? |
| 20:30.19 | dli | xoz: 2.4.30 |
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| 20:30.34 | E-bola3 | stew: ahh i found the right log |
| 20:30.35 | dli | xoz: I tried 2.4.31, then, it simply freezes too often |
| 20:30.36 | fwtest | isnt there any package that download everyday package database from any server and see if there is security issue? like freebsd? |
| 20:30.36 | scx | mmm... |
| 20:30.40 | tarzeau | roboo: ls -la debian/control ? seems not to be there... is that from a debian source package or (non debian) source package? |
| 20:30.50 | abrotman | fwtest: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ |
| 20:30.51 | E-bola3 | seems my apc started running on batteries, and the box shut off when it reached the end |
| 20:30.57 | tarzeau | castlerock: you always have it, even when whatever you use in x is all started up? |
| 20:30.58 | E-bola3 | no idea why though, the other boxes didnt do anything |
| 20:31.02 | xoz | dli: ah. last time i used open-mosix, it was fine. long time ago. |
| 20:31.07 | tarzeau | castlerock: set some background image? xloadimage? |
| 20:31.15 | Dave_ | ok, I'm trying to install debian from a CD image i just downloaded last night. I boot to the CD, and when I hit enter to start the install process, it goes through its 'uncompressing linux' routine, opens the very first page of the installer where it asks for the language, and freezes |
| 20:31.17 | jstevens | fwtest: Are your running stable? If so, it's easy. 'aptitude update'; 'aptitude upgrade' |
| 20:31.20 | Dave_ | anyone able to help me out? |
| 20:31.21 | roboo | tarzeau: debian source package (lm-sensors-source) |
| 20:31.23 | dli | where is the debian release info stored? like "sarge stable" ? |
| 20:31.25 | castlerock | tarzeau > it is before GDM or KDM start's up |
| 20:31.26 | tarzeau | still: execute.cpp:177: internal compiler error: in var_ann, at tree-flow-inline.h:34 |
| 20:31.30 | Dave_ | ubunut wont install either, but it doesn't die the same way |
| 20:31.33 | castlerock | tarzeau > just on X11 startup |
| 20:31.39 | xoz | Dave_: try linux26 |
| 20:31.43 | castlerock | I have desktop backgrounds ;-) |
| 20:31.45 | Dave_ | I did :\ |
| 20:31.48 | tarzeau | castlerock: i'd look out of the windows during that time, or fetch something from the fridge |
| 20:31.50 | dli | xoz: 2.4.26-1, the stable release is pretty stable. but they just couldn't fix the /proc/<pid>/cmdline |
| 20:31.58 | tarzeau | castlerock: it sure disappears until you are abck |
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| 20:32.13 | castlerock | tarzeau > can't you change this though? |
| 20:32.16 | jstevens | fwtest: you can append a dry run switch to just list the available updates. Throw it in your crontab and email it if that makes it easier. |
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| 20:32.25 | LSorensen | dli: that is pretty ugly of code to use. yuck! |
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| 20:32.31 | tarzeau | Dave_: desktop? laptop? |
| 20:32.39 | xoz | dli: i notice that openmosix takes time to add patches for the new kernel version. better to stick with the old kernel where openmosix works. |
| 20:32.45 | LSorensen | Dave_: usb keyboard? |
| 20:32.47 | tarzeau | castlerock: it's so fast here, i don't see it |
| 20:32.55 | tarzeau | castlerock: you run some *dm or startx? |
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| 20:32.56 | castlerock | tarzeau > (*heaven forbid me from saying this*), but Ubuntu doesn't have this issue |
| 20:32.57 | Dave_ | its a laptop, HP pavilion ZE4800 |
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| 20:33.11 | Dave_ | 2.4Ghz amd, 1GB of ram, ran FC3 great until last month when I reformated |
| 20:33.13 | castlerock | tarzeau > I run GDM at startup (the default desktop install) |
| 20:33.13 | tarzeau | castlerock: what computer do you have? i mean my sparc classic boots x so fast i hardly can see it |
| 20:33.13 | LSorensen | Dave_: try adding the option 'acpi=off' to the boot prompt. |
| 20:33.16 | E-bola3 | ahhh this box had a way too low tolerance for battery runtime |
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| 20:33.21 | E-bola3 | was set to shutdown after 10 secs on battery |
| 20:33.31 | tarzeau | castlerock: debian doesn't have a default desktop |
| 20:33.34 | Dave_ | fyi, if I boot under expert mode, it still freezes at the first screen |
| 20:33.34 | castlerock | tarzeau > AMD Athlon 2200+ 768MB DDR 400 RAM |
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| 20:33.44 | Dave_ | almost like my keyboard isn't working, because I can push the power button and it will shut itself off |
| 20:33.46 | tarzeau | castlerock: you mean the bloat tasksel installs without checking if there's enough diskspace left when you select Desktop? |
| 20:33.53 | tarzeau | castlerock: you're hilarous |
| 20:33.53 | castlerock | tarzeau > yeah, yeah |
| 20:34.01 | tarzeau | castlerock: how long is that x display shown? |
| 20:34.02 | abrotman | Dave_: did you try a 2.4 and 2.6 kernel ? |
| 20:34.11 | khermans | i accidentally chose a wrong config option when asked by apt, how can I redo that again? |
| 20:34.12 | castlerock | tarzeau > about 2 1/2 seconds |
| 20:34.15 | LSorensen | Dave_: yeah, some systems the keyboard doens't work with the installer. some systems 2.4 kernel works, others 2.6 works, some neither works. turning off acpi often fixes it |
| 20:34.18 | CaT_MaN|away | hello ppl, how can I list recursive a directory with subdirectories and symbolic links. I've tried with -R but in that way I didn't list any symbolic link like dir. What can I do. How can I list this symbolic link like direcotry |
| 20:34.20 | tarzeau | castlerock: something's seriously wrong |
| 20:34.27 | Dave_ | I just tried the default and 2.6 option the help menu mentions |
| 20:34.32 | tarzeau | castlerock: gdm is buggy piece of shit. i'd not use it |
| 20:34.39 | castlerock | tarzeau > btw slackware doesn't do this |
| 20:34.40 | LSorensen | Dave_: under vmware, I find 2.4 works, 2.6 has frozen keyboard most of the time. |
| 20:34.40 | Dave_ | i tried the acpi thing |
| 20:34.50 | tarzeau | castlerock: oh and gnome/kde take ages to start, even on a supercomputer like you have it |
| 20:34.50 | castlerock | tarzeau > but l like debian ;-) |
| 20:34.59 | khermans | what i mean is that apt came up with a curses option menu, and i picked the wrong thing -- but I want to do it again |
| 20:35.07 | fwtest | if i want to use LAMP on debian, is it a good way to do this so: apt-get install apache mysql-server mysql-client php4 php4-mysql phpmyadmin ? |
| 20:35.10 | LSorensen | Dave_: might have to ask debian-user or debian-boot mailing list. Someone is likely to know. It is a common problem with laptops |
| 20:35.15 | castlerock | tarzeau > I currently use Xfce4 |
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| 20:35.20 | abrotman | khermans: which package ? |
| 20:35.24 | LSorensen | fwtest: I prefer LAPP |
| 20:35.25 | khermans | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.33 | abrotman | khermans: dpkg-reconfigure <pkgname> |
| 20:35.44 | hramrach | tarzeau: gdm is nice. But I use xdm anyway. Looks more weird :) |
| 20:35.45 | khermans | abrotman: ahh yes that is how to do it, thankas dude!! |
| 20:35.59 | tarzeau | hramrach: gdm is not nice |
| 20:36.03 | fwtest | LSorensen, the first P = postgre? |
| 20:36.22 | LSorensen | fwtest: yes |
| 20:36.25 | hramrach | tarzeau: what's wrong with it? |
| 20:36.26 | LSorensen | fwtest: I like good databases |
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| 20:36.54 | tarzeau | hramrach: bugs.debian.org/gdm and way more |
| 20:36.55 | abrotman | LSorensen: good call! |
| 20:37.03 | fwtest | LSorensen, well, i can live with mysql, since i want to use mediawiki, which use mysql |
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| 20:37.11 | Dave_ | with the most recent release, is the 2.4 kernel default? |
| 20:37.20 | tarzeau | Dave_: yes |
| 20:37.21 | hramrach | xoz: that's impractical when your console is dead and the X server happens to crash |
| 20:37.25 | LSorensen | fwtest: why can't people write their code to be sql and db independant |
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| 20:37.37 | tarzeau | hramrach: i use wdm. but even that doesn't make me happy |
| 20:37.39 | CaT_MaN|away | hello ppl, how can I list recursive a directory with subdirectories and symbolic links. I've tried with -R but in that way I didn't list any symbolic link like dir. What can I do. How can I list this symbolic link like direcotry. I must use 'ls' command |
| 20:37.41 | Dave_ | tarzeau you rock |
| 20:37.50 | abrotman | oh no .. not again |
| 20:37.50 | Dave_ | I ran it acpi off AND 2.6 kernel and it works |
| 20:38.02 | Dave_ | any other combo wont |
| 20:38.02 | tarzeau | Dave_: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/rockstone.jpg |
| 20:38.03 | hramrach | tarzeau: never had any problems with gdm on the system where I use it |
| 20:38.04 | fwtest | LSorensen, because people write db with no standards |
| 20:38.14 | khermans | abrotman: actualy, when i issue the dpkg-reconfigure exim i get my sheell back, like it just failed |
| 20:38.18 | abrotman | fwtest: there are standards .. mysql doesn't adhere to them |
| 20:38.24 | tarzeau | hramrach: you've ever tried all the buttons they hav? |
| 20:38.28 | xoz | hramrach: i don't have that issue. and gdm/xdm takes too long to start when their purpose is too simple. i have no patience. |
| 20:38.31 | Zugschlus | khermans: it is exim4 |
| 20:38.34 | abrotman | khermans: might be like exim4 or exim4-common or something . i don't use exim |
| 20:38.38 | fwtest | abrotman, thats is exactly what i meant |
| 20:38.41 | Zugschlus | exim4-confi |
| 20:38.42 | khermans | Zugschlus: yes even still |
| 20:38.43 | Zugschlus | exim4-config |
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| 20:38.48 | hramrach | xoz: xdm is pretty fast |
| 20:38.48 | khermans | oh let me try config |
| 20:38.49 | LSorensen | fwtest: I have written code that just used sql. it wasn't a big deal to port the code to use another sql database when that became required. saved a lot of work to have done it right in the first aplce. |
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| 20:39.20 | abrotman | LSorensen: then there are projects that use datatypes that only exist in a certain database |
| 20:39.22 | hramrach | faster than typing startx I guess :) |
| 20:39.32 | LSorensen | abrotman: yeah. what a pain |
| 20:39.42 | abrotman | developers suck |
| 20:39.42 | abrotman | :) |
| 20:39.44 | dli | tarzeau, give me more info on mac add and eth#? confusing in man interfaces. only in BUGS section |
| 20:39.48 | asuffield | LSorensen: only works for trivial stuff. mysql doesn't implement full sql updates or transactions |
| 20:39.53 | asuffield | there's no real way around that |
| 20:39.56 | LSorensen | asuffield: exactly. hence why I avoid it |
| 20:40.00 | xoz | hramrach: yep. but i still prefer startx. xdm may restart recursively when *something* happens... |
| 20:40.05 | tarzeau | dli: i don't understand your problem really |
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| 20:40.11 | xoz | repeatedly |
| 20:40.11 | LSorensen | asuffield: at least postgres is close enough to the whole spec to be useful |
| 20:40.14 | abrotman | asuffield: uahhuh .. liar fire pants .. i heard mysql will support that in superalpha version 57.7324 !!! |
| 20:40.16 | Morphje | finally i have created my raid1 setup with lvm for Xen. I really was suprised how easy it was. (my first try :) ) |
| 20:40.20 | asuffield | also there is this: http://sql-info.de/mysql/gotchas.html |
| 20:40.28 | hramrach | tarzeau: all or most of the buttons that are configured on screen |
| 20:40.33 | asuffield | big list of all the surprising dumb shit that mysql does |
| 20:40.34 | abrotman | asuffield: there is a corresponding page for pgsql |
| 20:40.41 | asuffield | yes, linked at the bottom |
| 20:40.44 | asuffield | it's tiny |
| 20:40.44 | abrotman | top |
| 20:40.55 | khermans | abrotman: yes exim4-config worked -- awesome ! |
| 20:40.57 | tarzeau | hramrach: i've tried several versions of it, and it's just horrible quality user experience |
| 20:41.01 | khermans | wicked pissah |
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| 20:41.04 | dli | tarzeau, I have three NIC cards, but they were assigned with different eth# with different kernels |
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| 20:41.12 | tarzeau | dli: oh i see |
| 20:41.12 | abrotman | khermans: lived in boston all your life have we? |
| 20:41.17 | hramrach | tarzeau: I see no problem in them, you can even disable some if you do not like to get that many :) |
| 20:41.21 | tarzeau | dli: yes that's a problem. and no, i can't help you |
| 20:41.24 | khermans | abrotman: howdja guess? |
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| 20:41.38 | xoz | dli: ifrename? |
| 20:41.47 | dli | xoz: just installed it |
| 20:41.48 | abrotman | khermans: my dad is in pittsfield, sister in whitinsville, mom in maine :) |
| 20:41.48 | fwtest | assink, also there is thi: http://sql-info.de/postgresql/postgres-gotchas.html |
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| 20:41.49 | khermans | abrotman: actually, i was just in cali a few weeks ago at cisco |
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| 20:42.01 | hramrach | tarzeau: I like that user selection with faces |
| 20:42.03 | fwtest | ermm, asuffield |
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| 20:42.08 | abrotman | khermans: and after i spend a weekend there .. every third word i say is "wicked" |
| 20:42.09 | smacnay | I can only update Blackdown java debs if I use "stable" in my sources.list file... both "testing" and "unstable" give me errors stating that test or unstable was expected but "stable" was received. |
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| 20:42.11 | tarzeau | hramrach: DIE! |
| 20:42.14 | dli | xoz: wondering how to test it. if it goes wrong, I lose my connections :( |
| 20:42.15 | khermans | abrotman: hehe |
| 20:42.17 | hramrach | tarzeau: nice bfu feature :) |
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| 20:42.26 | assink | hehe |
| 20:42.29 | xoz | dli: it should work. don't need to test it :) |
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| 20:42.38 | tarzeau | hramrach: i'd use the GOATSE picture just to piss off the other users |
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| 20:42.50 | tarzeau | !bfu |
| 20:42.51 | dpkg | bfu is, like, bloody fucking user |
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| 20:43.40 | hramrach | :) |
| 20:43.41 | dli | xoz: it has to automatically choose the right eth# based on mac :( otherwise, I can not connect to the computer |
| 20:43.47 | asuffield | (also you have to realise that most of the postgresql 'gotchas' there are just bugs which have been fixed since) |
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| 20:44.07 | dli | xoz: it's the om server, I have to go there, connect KVM :( |
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| 20:44.19 | Azar | does anyone sees any need to get the latest DVD 2-sided burner on a Debian machine? |
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| 20:44.44 | Dave_ | I'm partitioning my drive before i install |
| 20:44.46 | Azar | I find the idea so ridiculous |
| 20:44.47 | nadim | I'm getting -- /usr/lib64/libstdc++.so.5: version `GLIBCPP_3.2.2' not found -- how do I solve that ? |
| 20:44.48 | Dave_ | I have winxp already on the drive |
| 20:44.58 | Dave_ | do I need to turn the bootable flag for the ext3 partition on? |
| 20:45.02 | citral | Azar: backups? |
| 20:45.18 | xoz | dli: what do you mean? what about switchconfig? |
| 20:45.19 | Azar | citral, I doubt that would work with a linux Debian |
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| 20:45.47 | nadim | Along the same lines - where can I find a libstdc++ that was compiled with gcc-3.2.2 ? |
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| 20:46.16 | pi-meson | I'm using debootstrap to set a sarge install, but when I run base-config it seems to hit the testing apt sources; am I doing something wrong? |
| 20:46.19 | Azar | sorry I blow my frustrations, the guy who helps me build my computer refuses to see that I need simple hardware, that actually works ok with Debian |
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| 20:46.39 | tarzeau | Dave_: no need |
| 20:46.57 | FliesLikeALap | would it be bad to try and move /var and /opt while the server is running? I'm guessing i should boot it from a livecd and move them so nothing is running. if i need to do it remotely though, what do i need to do before moving them? |
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| 20:47.22 | tarzeau | FliesLikeALap: i'd stop all services except telnetd/sshd/rshd |
| 20:47.23 | Dave_ | tarzeau, wouldn't that leave my windows partition as the active partition? |
| 20:47.26 | dli | xoz: one nic is connected to lan, another to public net, another is only a backup |
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| 20:47.31 | Dave_ | i thought if you did that, windows would ignore linux |
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| 20:47.43 | FliesLikeALap | tarzeau any easy way to do that other than going through and killing all the processes manually? |
| 20:47.43 | tarzeau | Dave_: what's an active partition? do you not use GNU GRUB? |
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| 20:47.58 | dli | xoz: I only connect to the box via net |
| 20:48.00 | tarzeau | FliesLikeALap: netstat -plunt then use /etc/init.d/whatever stop |
| 20:48.01 | stew | i'd stop rshd and telnetd and never start them again |
| 20:48.07 | Dave_ | I will be I hope |
| 20:48.09 | tarzeau | stew: you have no idea |
| 20:48.23 | hramrach | even delete them |
| 20:48.30 | tarzeau | hramrach: stupid |
| 20:48.36 | xoz | dli: ifrename should be ok. |
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| 20:48.48 | citral | Azar: growisofs writes on double layer dvds, I don't see your point. |
| 20:49.02 | hramrach | I do use telnet, but not telnetd |
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| 20:49.10 | Dave_ | ok, installing base system |
| 20:49.10 | tarzeau | hramrach: nice for you |
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| 20:49.16 | Dave_ | someone tell me its going to be alright :P |
| 20:49.21 | Dave_ | this is where ubuntu died |
| 20:49.23 | Dave_ | over and over and over |
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| 20:49.35 | dli | xoz: yes, I only need to make a /etc/iftab |
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| 20:50.37 | Dave_ | whoa |
| 20:50.37 | dli | which gvim is better, like -gnome, -gtk. so many choices for a n00b |
| 20:50.37 | Dave_ | it worked |
| 20:50.50 | Dave_ | tarzeau, its asking me what kernel to install... |
| 20:51.01 | tarzeau | dli: i'd not use the gnome one for sure and try to avoid the gtk one as well |
| 20:51.10 | Dave_ | do I want the 2.6 386 version? |
| 20:51.10 | tarzeau | Dave_: what are your choices? |
| 20:51.20 | tarzeau | Dave_: depends on what cat /proc/cpuinfo says |
| 20:51.31 | Dave_ | umm a 2.6.8-2-686-smp |
| 20:51.34 | Dave_ | one without smp |
| 20:51.42 | Dave_ | umm a 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 20:51.47 | Azar | I want to buy the new Sarge CDs from a site that is 100% will give contributions to Debian , where could I find ? |
| 20:51.53 | tarzeau | Dave_: go for it |
| 20:51.55 | dli | tarzeau, vim-full sounds legitimate, then |
| 20:51.57 | Dave_ | and a bunch of 2.4 versions |
| 20:51.57 | FliesLikeALap | tarzeau i don't know what some of the services are in netstat-plunt though, so i can't stop them without just killing processes :-/ |
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| 20:52.07 | Dave_ | 2.6.8-2-386 you think? |
| 20:52.11 | FliesLikeALap | tarzeau i'm really cautious about doing damage by just killing things |
| 20:52.12 | tarzeau | FliesLikeALap: leave away the n in -plunt |
| 20:52.19 | tarzeau | FliesLikeALap: maybe that'll help you figure out |
| 20:52.22 | FliesLikeALap | k |
| 20:52.26 | xoz | gnome+kde is anti-unix. keep it simple stupid. |
| 20:52.35 | tarzeau | FliesLikeALap: not like i moved around /var on a running system ... but i'm sure it'll be fun |
| 20:52.44 | tarzeau | FliesLikeALap: i don't see any problems with /opt |
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| 20:52.54 | citral | ... and flames suck |
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| 20:53.12 | FliesLikeALap | yeah i have a couple things i installed running out of opt, i can stop those properly np since i know exactly what they are tarzeau |
| 20:53.17 | xoz | facts suck |
| 20:53.21 | tarzeau | xoz: i'm fine being not pro-unix, but being so buggy and incosistent and bloaty is just horrible |
| 20:53.23 | FliesLikeALap | tarzeau i think i'm just gonna wait until the next time i'm home and do it from a live cd |
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| 20:53.37 | tarzeau | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/yousuck.jpg |
| 20:53.37 | taw | hello |
| 20:53.45 | hramrach | Gnome and kde is nice for people that do not like xterms :) |
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| 20:54.03 | FliesLikeALap | is gnome pronounced G-nome or just "nome" ? |
| 20:54.06 | xoz | tarzeau: not being simple means prone to bugginess... that's why KISS principle has many long term implications. |
| 20:54.07 | citral | that one was really funny, tarzeau :) |
| 20:54.10 | tarzeau | FliesLikeALap: who cares? |
| 20:54.18 | FliesLikeALap | tarzeau idk, i've just heard people say it both ways |
| 20:54.33 | taw | how can i tell apt to stfu about dependencies of some app ? it works fine when i do dpkg --force-depends --install; but then apt refuses to work until i "correct" that |
| 20:54.34 | stew | FliesLikeALap: its not something you pronounce, its something you --purge |
| 20:54.37 | FliesLikeALap | tarzeau i didn't think i'd ever care until i started going to a college known for lots of geek stuff |
| 20:54.49 | FliesLikeALap | a college where they actually reccommend you dual boot your laptops |
| 20:54.50 | tarzeau | FliesLikeALap: what languages? |
| 20:54.51 | bob2 | taw: you can't |
| 20:54.53 | Dave_ | I'm rebooting into debian |
| 20:54.56 | Dave_ | finally! |
| 20:54.59 | bob2 | taw: until you unfuck it, apt will not work |
| 20:55.02 | xoz | taw: equivs? |
| 20:55.08 | FliesLikeALap | tarzeau what do you mean by asking about what languages? |
| 20:55.11 | taw | bob2: it's not fucked at all, it works perfectly |
| 20:55.13 | tarzeau | FliesLikeALap: it's fun how people spell unix commands (letter by letter or read) and how others misunderstand it .. :) |
| 20:55.16 | taw | xoz: please elaborate |
| 20:55.31 | xoz | taw: apt-cache show equivs |
| 20:55.32 | tarzeau | FliesLikeALap: english? german? turkish? russian? italian? they all spell gnome/g-nome different |
| 20:55.35 | bob2 | taw: fucked in the sense that you broke apt. in what way are the dependencies in correct? |
| 20:55.46 | tarzeau | FliesLikeALap: i don't want to hear english people spell german names of gnome software |
| 20:55.52 | FliesLikeALap | tarzeau its an american college but we have people here from all around the world. i'm talking about english though |
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| 20:56.54 | en1gma | hi all |
| 20:57.07 | en1gma | in the "Printers Control Center" in KDE in the "/Properties/Interface" i can change the USB# my printer is on....but how do i know what USB# to change it to |
| 20:57.11 | tarzeau | FliesLikeALap: g-nome is like a tongue breaker, and makes you slower when talking about it |
| 20:57.17 | en1gma | 'lsusb and lsusb -v" show: "Bus 002 Device 004: ID 03f0:3e02 Hewlett-Packard and usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 4" |
| 20:57.27 | FliesLikeALap | tarzeau http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-list/1998-December/msg01116.html |
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| 20:57.39 | FliesLikeALap | i've always pronounced it as the latter, G-nome |
| 20:57.41 | en1gma | but i cant figure out where "USB#" my printer is located at |
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| 20:57.46 | bob2 | en1gma: you almost certainly don't need to care |
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| 20:57.58 | taw | bob2: probably some library version detection script is broken, and it makes program depend on exactly some version of library instead of a generic package dependency |
| 20:58.02 | en1gma | bob2 i care |
| 20:58.18 | xoz | taw: create equivs for that |
| 20:58.19 | bob2 | taw: if it's a Debian package, that's not the case |
| 20:58.20 | taw | bob2: skype wants non-ubuntu qt package for no apparent reason |
| 20:58.28 | bob2 | taw: you're using ubuntu? |
| 20:58.36 | taw | yeah |
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| 20:58.53 | bob2 | taw: a) #ubuntu, b) #ubuntu, c) read th ubuntu faq, d) use the static tarball version |
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| 20:59.24 | bob2 | snide AND correct |
| 20:59.27 | bob2 | I'm good for 7am |
| 20:59.31 | FliesLikeALap | heh |
| 20:59.35 | FliesLikeALap | 5pm here |
| 20:59.40 | stew | taw: you have two choices, rebuild the skype package to depend on the newer qt libs (which has been reported to work) or instal one of the skype packages from debian-unofficial.org |
| 20:59.41 | taw | as if ubuntu was a different distro, it's just a recompile of debian, except for new x and different wallpaper |
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| 20:59.47 | hramrach | d) do not use skype as it won't work on ie ppc |
| 20:59.49 | bob2 | taw: no, sorry, incorrect |
| 20:59.49 | en1gma | what command or app lets me know what USB# this printer is on so i can select it in "Printer Control Cente" |
| 20:59.53 | dli | xoz: I ifrename runs at booting, right? |
| 20:59.58 | bob2 | taw: see points a, b and c. |
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| 21:00.14 | hramrach | use something portable |
| 21:00.14 | tarzeau | FliesLikeALap: the configuration of gnome (using gconftool) and the different versions, and upgrading major versions of it are nightmare |
| 21:00.16 | cheal | taw: you consider that most people that speak here know what ubuntu is. |
| 21:00.16 | xoz | dli: check in /etc/init.d/ifrename... it should |
| 21:00.20 | taw | bob2: skype works perfectly after --force-depends --install, why is it needed at all ? |
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| 21:00.26 | bob2 | taw: #ubuntu |
| 21:00.27 | cheal | taw: and that they know it's not debian |
| 21:00.32 | bob2 | taw: hint: ABI changes |
| 21:00.39 | tarzeau | FliesLikeALap: the last thing is also horrible about KDE |
| 21:01.00 | bob2 | en1gma: I'm pretty sure you just tell it to use USB parallel port 1 in the web interface, and it just works |
| 21:01.06 | bob2 | en1gma: (http://localhost:631/) |
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| 21:01.50 | FliesLikeALap | tarzeau i use gnome on ubuntu as half of the dual boot on my laptop, and as primary desktop OS on my dual proc dual flatscreen desktop. I never had to deal with config crap since ubuntu is friendly, and again, apt with the upgrades |
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| 21:02.05 | dli | xoz: the dry run looks fine, but I can not run it now. checking init.d |
| 21:02.05 | citral | fiouuu |
| 21:02.06 | FliesLikeALap | tarzeau i'm primarly a linux user because of my servers |
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| 21:02.22 | FliesLikeALap | and also because i got sick of my laptop crashing over everything in windows |
| 21:02.22 | hramrach | is ooo2 written in Java or what? It requires so many Java libraries .. |
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| 21:02.39 | abrotman | windows can drive ? |
| 21:02.46 | hramrach | so it crashes over certain things in Linux |
| 21:02.47 | en1gma | bob2 thats already selected but there is an "interface" that wants me to pick a "paralell, serial, usb or scsi" |
| 21:02.59 | hramrach | Like using ieee1394 |
| 21:03.01 | en1gma | since i have usb i look in usb and there are 16 selections to pick from |
| 21:03.09 | bob2 | en1gma: and if you pick the first one? |
| 21:03.16 | FliesLikeALap | hramrach i've never crashed linux on my laptop, and i use firewire huge amounts on my debian fileservers |
| 21:03.16 | en1gma | tried it |
| 21:03.30 | FliesLikeALap | hramrach 1394 only crashes if you have a cheap piece of crap chipset for it |
| 21:03.33 | tarzeau | FliesLikeALap: what kind of servers are that? serving what? |
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| 21:03.36 | en1gma | didnt work. when i do a print test page it just stays in "jobs" queue |
| 21:03.42 | xoz | FliesLikeALap: yeah. if icecandy is all you care about, ubuntu is good... then if you need something more than the superficial level, you need to play with the configs of other packages... |
| 21:03.53 | FliesLikeALap | agreed xoz |
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| 21:04.08 | FliesLikeALap | tarzeau one at my home (not college) serving all fileserver stuff to my family (primary storage so that their comps dont get cluttered) |
| 21:04.25 | hramrach | I cannot remove the ieee1394 card without removing the module, and I cannot remove the module or use it after plugging in and unplugging a sbp2 device |
| 21:04.30 | FliesLikeALap | tarzeau and one at my college house here serving 600gb of media to me and my housemates. it is 1U dual proc, so i couldnt fit the extra 2 hard drives inside |
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| 21:04.46 | rleigh | Hi folks. Has anyone got the "tspc" package to work with freenet6 through an ADSL router, using the default configuration? I fail to get any reply, and TCP won't work due to the NAT on the router. |
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| 21:05.13 | hramrach | I guess it would be a bit better if I downloaded the newest code from svn instead of using what came with Debian. |
| 21:05.32 | tarzeau | FliesLikeALap: i mean can you spell KSuperEna or KXDocker or KNetDockApp ? YaKuake ... from www.kde.org |
| 21:05.35 | bob2 | I used tspc with a NATing router |
| 21:05.35 | hramrach | But they did not really implement card removal or power management yet |
| 21:05.45 | bob2 | but it didn't just lose packets like yours is apparently doing |
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| 21:05.54 | xoz | tarzeau: that's a good name for a band. |
| 21:05.55 | FliesLikeALap | tarzeau are we back on the pronunciaton topic? |
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| 21:06.02 | tarzeau | FliesLikeALap: yes |
| 21:06.13 | FliesLikeALap | tarzeau i would never even try |
| 21:06.14 | tarzeau | FliesLikeALap: i just was curious how they look in css browsers.. |
| 21:06.50 | FliesLikeALap | tarzeau i don't follow |
| 21:07.14 | bob2 | tarzeau: have you used the gnustep webobjects? |
| 21:07.28 | tarzeau | FliesLikeALap: yes we're on the pronounciation topic, and i was checking their webpages |
| 21:07.28 | takatumi | tarzeau: GNUplonk |
| 21:07.33 | hramrach | Texas Instruments TSB12LV23 IEEE-1394 Controller |
| 21:07.37 | tarzeau | bob2: gsweb, no, but they seem to be very stable |
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| 21:07.59 | tarzeau | takatumi: doesn't exist |
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| 21:08.17 | FliesLikeALap | time to leave the library and go get dinner, bbs |
| 21:08.24 | abrotman | dinner? |
| 21:08.34 | abrotman | i still want a nap |
| 21:08.37 | tarzeau | what's her name? |
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| 21:09.45 | abrotman | tarzeau: was that an attempt at humor ? |
| 21:10.09 | tarzeau | abrotman: bad one |
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| 21:10.45 | abrotman | tarzeau: i hadn't noticed :) |
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| 21:10.57 | ellobo | hi |
| 21:11.21 | tarzeau | abrotman: want to play a short game? |
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| 21:12.06 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'm still at work :) |
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| 21:12.17 | CasaNova_ | I just ran an apt-get upgrade last night (etch) and lost sound (runnign alsa wiht 2.6.27 kernel) sure I missed a FAQ or the like.... do I have to manaully upgrade alsa or does alsamixergui force a gnome2 upgrade or the like? |
| 21:12.28 | ellobo | this question might seem a little weird, but no hurt in asking (i think) :): Is there any way of cleaning "unused" or "useless" packages/files/... to recover some disk space ? I am already using localepurge but doesn't seem to free a lot of space :P thanks in advance... |
| 21:12.45 | tarzeau | abrotman: typespeed makes you look like hacking very quick stuff :) |
| 21:12.57 | stew | CasaNova_: you are not running a 2.6.27 kernel |
| 21:12.58 | hramrach | ellobo: debfoster |
| 21:13.00 | tarzeau | abrotman: like a freaked out badass workaholic |
| 21:13.12 | en1gma | will someone "for the love of god" please help me and my printer |
| 21:13.14 | tarzeau | abrotman: just don't cry "I WIN" when you do |
| 21:13.21 | CasaNova_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:13.44 | bob2 | ellobo: clearing your apt package cache may help, too (apt-get clean or autoclean, the manpage explains the difference). |
| 21:13.46 | tarzeau | en1gma: treid apt-get --purge remove `deborphan` yet? |
| 21:13.47 | ellobo | hramrach: thnks... hill have a look at it |
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| 21:13.56 | en1gma | not yet |
| 21:13.57 | ellobo | bob2: thnx |
| 21:14.05 | stew | CasaNova_: you have alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-686 installed? what driver are you using? is it loaded? |
| 21:14.50 | CasaNova_ | stew: I'm sorry - every other time I upgraded the kernel via deb it worked fine - but I did have to reget all nvidia stuff, I'll double check alsa- I tried alsaconf and it found nothing (no pci, pnp etc) |
| 21:15.01 | tarzeau | hramrach: and you like the splashscreen? |
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| 21:15.43 | hramrach | tarzeau: so far it is good. I wonder if it eventually goes away and something starts or ooo crashes |
| 21:15.57 | abrotman | tarzeau: no |
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| 21:16.06 | tarzeau | hramrach: worked fine here. well except for rtl stuff it was same shit as before |
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| 21:17.06 | hramrach | I hoped they improved it a bit for major version. And crashing is rare since 1.1 or somesuch .. |
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| 21:19.25 | CasaNova_ | stew: sorry - a quick grab of the alsa modules and a alsaconf and alsamixer and all is well, but I thought those modules were grabbed if already installed... Oh well... |
| 21:20.08 | CasaNova_ | On the ftp.merriam sites I'm gettign a bad signature error - I'm trying to use apt-keys but not really sure what to do - when I do apt-keys update I get an error asking if I have debian-keys installed... I do... |
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| 21:20.23 | takatumi | !marillat key |
| 21:20.24 | dpkg | if you are using apt > 0.6 and it is complaining about a missing gpg key for marillat's repository, apt-get install debian-keyring && gpg --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg --armor --export 1F41B907 | apt-key add -, or ask me about <apt secure> |
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| 21:20.37 | takatumi | !beer stew |
| 21:20.52 | CasaNova_ | wow dpkg is a veritable repositoory of knowledege... never even thought to ask... |
| 21:21.02 | Technel | I recently re-installed Debian Sarge. I installed KDE, but when I do "startx", it fails to connect to the X server. Does anyone know what I need to do to get it to work? |
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| 21:21.39 | stew | yay, thats a nice beer too! |
| 21:21.43 | citral | Technel: apt-get install x-window-server |
| 21:22.30 | Hum | salut tout lmonde |
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| 21:22.38 | citral | !french |
| 21:22.38 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
| 21:22.45 | Hum | et ouai |
| 21:22.46 | antgel | Technel: no, aptitude install x-window-system(-core) |
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| 21:23.30 | pmacuser | hi |
| 21:24.22 | pmacuser | any mac users up in here? |
| 21:25.09 | Technel | citral: Will try that, cheers |
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| 21:25.34 | pmacuser | make it so |
| 21:25.48 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.57 | pmacuser | oh sweet |
| 21:26.01 | streuner | pmacuser: #debianppc |
| 21:26.05 | pmacuser | thanks dude |
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| 21:26.39 | g4m | how do i control what applications (such as apache or sshd) are started during startup? |
| 21:26.54 | roboo | i installed acpi, gkrellm etc but they don't show cpu temperature..what can i do? |
| 21:27.02 | bob2 | g4m: install sysv-rc-conf |
| 21:27.03 | takatumi | g4m: try rcconf or update-rc.d |
| 21:27.17 | takatumi | or that ^^ |
| 21:27.21 | g4m | is there a file i edit? |
| 21:27.21 | g4m | thanks |
| 21:27.23 | streuner | roboo: install lm-sensors |
| 21:27.35 | streuner | roboo: and run 'sensors-detect' |
| 21:28.19 | takatumi | roboo: what does cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature say? |
| 21:28.23 | Azar | wow the latest 3.0r6 woody includes GNU privacy guard |
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| 21:28.56 | Technel | antgel: Got it :) |
| 21:28.59 | Azar | hmm kde and gnu included, I doubt this is woody |
| 21:29.17 | fbi | ok, what would cause all of my audio players to playback files at what sounds like twice their normal speed? |
| 21:29.27 | fbi | this _just_ now happened |
| 21:29.37 | CasaNova_ | with gim-print now being gutenprint is cupsys-driver-gimprint still used? Just wondering why it might be held back (etch) |
| 21:30.20 | roboo | streuner: http://pastebin.com/399112 are these problem ? |
| 21:30.39 | roboo | takatumi: cat: /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature: No such file or directory |
| 21:30.49 | abrotman | !moo |
| 21:30.49 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 21:31.05 | takatumi | roboo: is thermal module loaded? |
| 21:31.24 | roboo | and also http://pastebin.com/399116 |
| 21:31.53 | roboo | takatumi: yes |
| 21:32.24 | roboo | debian:/proc/acpi/thermal_zone# ls -al |
| 21:32.24 | roboo | total 0 |
| 21:33.11 | CasaNova_ | never mind -- I see now why cupsys driver gimprint was held back - that's a pretty substantial change |
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| 21:34.18 | fbi | that was totally bizarre |
| 21:34.46 | takatumi | fbi: call the ghost busters! |
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| 21:34.53 | smallfoot- | hey |
| 21:34.59 | fbi | already did, they stopped taking my calls long ago. |
| 21:35.05 | smallfoot- | what do u guys do if linux torvals decide to make linux not opensource anymore?? |
| 21:35.12 | fbi | i logged out and back in and audio playback resumed normally |
| 21:35.18 | antgel | smallfoot-: suck our plums |
| 21:35.30 | citral | smallfoot-: we cry. |
| 21:35.38 | pux | smacnay: we fork |
| 21:35.39 | takatumi | smallfoot-: the 2.6.8 will continue to survive in sarge then. |
| 21:35.40 | smallfoot- | oh so you dont have a backup plan |
| 21:35.43 | pux | smallfoot even |
| 21:35.48 | smallfoot- | then why dont you use the turd? |
| 21:36.06 | antgel | smallfoot-: why don't *you* use it? |
| 21:36.06 | citral | you mean hurd? |
| 21:36.08 | smallfoot- | yes |
| 21:36.17 | smallfoot- | cuz i use windows xp |
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| 21:36.26 | roboo | takatumi: what can i do :s |
| 21:36.40 | g4m | bob2: how do i use sysv-rc-conf once its installed? |
| 21:36.42 | citral | smallfoot-: sorry to be so crude... but you suck. |
| 21:36.43 | takatumi | roboo: check dmesg for errors |
| 21:36.45 | fbi | smallfoot-: first of all, 'u' isn't a word, and his name is linus, not 'linux'. |
| 21:36.52 | CasaNova_ | wow! |
| 21:36.54 | pux | :] |
| 21:37.11 | pux | lil troll |
| 21:37.12 | pux | :] |
| 21:37.30 | fbi | you know what they say about guys with small feet. |
| 21:37.36 | smallfoot- | they smell? |
| 21:37.39 | smallfoot- | OH NO! |
| 21:37.42 | smallfoot- | THEY SMALL PENIS |
| 21:37.44 | smallfoot- | OMG WTF LOL!!! |
| 21:37.46 | smallfoot- | ITS NOT TRUE!! |
| 21:37.48 | fbi | *plonk* |
| 21:37.52 | roboo | takatumi: how can i grep errors ? |
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| 21:38.02 | antgel | !ops smallfoot- is lame troll |
| 21:38.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: smallfoot- is lame troll |
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| 21:38.13 | smallfoot- | hey |
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| 21:38.39 | walterbrunswick | I NEVER WOULD HAVE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE SO GREAT TO BE BACK ON MICROSOFT WINDOWS AGAIN! |
| 21:38.44 | antgel | dondelelcaro: now that's service |
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| 21:38.45 | takatumi | roboo: dmesg |grep -i acpi |
| 21:39.10 | bowman | apt says "the following packages cannot be authenticated" - eh? meaning? (official debian repositories) |
| 21:39.12 | valdyn | !tell walterbrunswick -about caps |
| 21:39.15 | antgel | takatumi: -i is one of my favourite grep flags :) |
| 21:39.23 | walterbrunswick | I' |
| 21:39.27 | walterbrunswick | I'm just so happy :\ |
| 21:39.39 | walterbrunswick | to have gotten away from debian, alive. |
| 21:39.41 | antgel | !tell bowman about aptsecure |
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| 21:40.07 | fbi | walterbrunswick: just because you can't figure Debian out, that doesn't give you the right to invade this channel with caps. |
| 21:40.18 | walterbrunswick | oh I'm sorry :p |
| 21:40.33 | roboo | takatumi: http://pastebin.com/399124 |
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| 21:40.52 | antgel | !ops any room in topic for aptsecure factoid? |
| 21:40.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: any room in topic for aptsecure factoid |
| 21:40.55 | OneSeventeen | I miss proprietary formats as well. (we're upgrading 75 computers because the boss wants to keep his copy of Office 2003) |
| 21:41.22 | stew | that dude could have figured out debian, he just couldn't figure out that he had hardware problems... |
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| 21:42.11 | streuner | stew: he seems to have another problem too, somebody who saying this in #debian... |
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| 21:43.26 | roboo | streuner: http://pastebin.com/399124 |
| 21:43.28 | roboo | :) |
| 21:43.32 | takatumi | roboo: unload and reload thermal, check dmesg for errors, else google. |
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| 21:44.18 | Technel | How do you re-run the x-window-server configuration? |
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| 21:44.27 | cheal | antgel: try only calling ops when needed |
| 21:44.28 | bob2 | Technel: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:44.31 | bob2 | or xorg |
| 21:44.32 | dcom | dpkg, kick takatumi |
| 21:44.36 | bob2 | antgel: or suggest a factoid |
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| 21:45.17 | cheal | !apt-secure |
| 21:45.23 | antgel | bob2: the factoid i suggest is /msg dpkg aptsecure. don't know what we could lose |
| 21:45.32 | antgel | cheal: i thought they were needed |
| 21:45.33 | cheal | dpkg: apt-secure is <reply> see apt secure |
| 21:45.33 | dpkg | cheal: okay |
| 21:45.34 | RevSlowmo | How can I make dnsmasq give out a different ip for the dns server to dhcpclients. |
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| 21:46.14 | bob2 | !+apt secure |
| 21:46.14 | dpkg | well, apt secure is in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://www.syntaxpolice.org/apt-secure/ ; until you perform the steps described on page 5, you will get warnings about packages that can't be authenticated, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174 |
| 21:46.23 | bob2 | RevSlowmo: it's easy if you use dhcp3-server |
| 21:46.41 | roboo | i2c /dev entries driver |
| 21:46.42 | RevSlowmo | bob2: This is going to be on a openwrt router. |
| 21:46.42 | cheal | bob2: suggestion if you proposed yourself, switch s/sarge firefox/apt-secure |
| 21:46.45 | eXa_bOy | whats a good pop3 server? |
| 21:46.47 | roboo | no error |
| 21:46.59 | streuner | !info popa3d |
| 21:47.04 | dpkg | popa3d: (A tiny POP3 daemon, designed with security as the primary goal), section mail, is extra. Version: 1.0-6 (sid), Packaged size: 30 kB, Installed size: 92 kB |
| 21:47.09 | antgel | bob2: or could lose crypto in main |
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| 21:47.18 | bob2 | eXa_bOy: dovecot |
| 21:47.21 | *** mode/#debian [+o bob2] by ChanServ |
| 21:47.34 | *** topic/#debian by bob2 -> GETTING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian | YES, WE KNOW THAT ChanServ LIKES YOU | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | /msg dpkg sarge firefox | X.org: sid, etch and /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java | /msg dpkg kde3.4 | /msg dpkg apt secure |
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| 21:48.00 | tyranix | re: apt secure. I'm not sure I would link to the debian-admin article. Those instructions didn't work for me. I had to use apt-key for the security testing source. |
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| 21:48.32 | eXa_bOy | what did you change bob2 |
| 21:48.41 | dcom | May i please butter your cervix? |
| 21:48.45 | cheal | eXa_bOy: tail /topic |
| 21:48.50 | bob2 | dcom: ? |
| 21:48.56 | bob2 | eXa_bOy: added the apt secure thing... |
| 21:50.11 | Technel | Does anyone know why the X server says it cannot initialize /dev/input/mice when I try to startx? |
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| 21:50.20 | eXa_bOy | nice |
| 21:50.51 | antgel | Technel: if you cat /dev/input/mice and move the mouse, does anything happen? |
| 21:51.42 | Technel | antgel: cat says "No such device" |
| 21:51.46 | stew | Technel: /msg dpkg 2.6 mouse |
| 21:51.47 | Technel | although /dev/input/mice does exist |
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| 21:57.56 | tomsdimension | I just installed debian's net install and when i rebooted it starts to load and reboots itself |
| 21:58.02 | tomsdimension | why would it do that? |
| 21:58.07 | tomsdimension | i keeps doing it over and over again |
| 21:58.25 | antgel | tomsdimension: because you have a problem. have you taken the cd out? |
| 21:58.34 | tomsdimension | yes |
| 21:58.51 | tomsdimension | it gets to "calculating module dependencies" |
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| 21:58.56 | tomsdimension | and reboots |
| 21:59.05 | dcom | I wasn't participating in this thread. I will literally vacate feces from my bowels onto your scrambled eggs. |
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| 22:00.10 | FlimFlamMan | does anyone recommend a favorite apache log analyzer that's in the sarge repository? |
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| 22:00.53 | antgel | FlimFlamMan: awstats |
| 22:01.30 | FlimFlamMan | antgel, thanks |
| 22:01.36 | Amun | does ndiswrapper come installed with debian-31r0a? the reason im asking, is because i need ndiswrapper to even connect to the internet. also, does debian-31r0a have the kernel sources on one of the 9 install discs ? (ndiswrapper needs the kernel sources to install correctly) |
| 22:01.39 | bowman | antgel: nothing happened :) aptsecure == ? |
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| 22:02.44 | ratonn | is the /tmp folder cleared at reboot? |
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| 22:03.05 | sven15711 | hallo, ich würde mich freuen, wenn mir jemand kurz mit einen apache/mailman problem helfen könnte?! |
| 22:03.12 | stew | !de |
| 22:03.13 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
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| 22:03.28 | stew | ratonn: yes, if you wish to change that look at /etc/default/rcS |
| 22:03.38 | sven15711 | ok,sorry, i need some help on apache/mailman problem |
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| 22:04.01 | foxofdoom | is it unusual for apt-get to hang when installing libraw-1394 and creating /dev/raw1394 |
| 22:04.05 | Spundun | hi all.... |
| 22:04.05 | ratonn | turckmmcache recommends using /tmp/mmcache |
| 22:04.22 | ratonn | but if /tmp is cleared the folder will be lost and files won't be written |
| 22:04.33 | stew | Amun: ndiswrapper is on cd14 |
| 22:04.34 | ratonn | should i set it to /tmp instead? |
| 22:04.37 | sven15711 | could someone help me with my apache/mailman problem |
| 22:04.50 | dcom | I tried to throw away a yo-yo. It was fucking impossible |
| 22:05.05 | stew | dcom: do you have a debian related question? |
| 22:05.28 | Spundun | I have never been able to install grub as the bootloader on my debian/testing machine.... can anyone tell me how can I switch from lilo to grub right now? |
| 22:05.32 | dcom | yes |
| 22:05.36 | dcom | how can i shit debian |
| 22:05.49 | foxofdoom | drat...apt-get really appears frozen, and my other root sessions aren't faring well now...the're stuck |
| 22:05.50 | stew | !ops dcom needs a +q |
| 22:05.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: dcom needs a +q |
| 22:06.00 | Spundun | !grub |
| 22:06.00 | dpkg | well, grub is [grub] Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs.. Go here for an excellent step-by-step description of setting up grub on your system: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or a distributed internet crawler. |
| 22:06.01 | Amun | holy crap 14 cd's ? |
| 22:06.12 | Amun | do i need all 14 cd's ? |
| 22:06.17 | Spundun | sorry for the spam. |
| 22:06.23 | stew | Amun: no, only the ones you need to get on the network, /msg dpkg cd contents |
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| 22:07.30 | fbi | Spundun: you can /msg the bot too |
| 22:08.09 | Spundun | fbi, yeah... forgot about that.. sorry... will read the article and be back here if I have more questions. |
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| 22:08.11 | Spundun | thank |
| 22:08.13 | Spundun | thanks |
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| 22:08.45 | NyteRukh | hi |
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| 22:09.33 | fbi | hi! |
| 22:09.49 | foxofdoom | my computer is hanging up when apt-get is trying to make /dev/raw1394 |
| 22:09.52 | cheal | ratonn: you realize there's the word "cache" in TurckMMCache? |
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| 22:13.23 | Amun | does debian-31r0a contain (and what cd) kernel sources ? |
| 22:13.31 | Technel | Does anyone know why when I startx, it fails and says that the device /dev/input/mice could not be found? |
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| 22:13.41 | gravity | Technel: Do you have /dev/input/mice? |
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| 22:14.00 | stew | Technel: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 22:14.16 | skypa | hi there, can you guys recommend a nice iptables frontend, i use a handmade script atm, which is pretty quick&dirty :> |
| 22:14.27 | stew | skypa: i like fwbuilder |
| 22:14.56 | skypa | does it "support" two NIC router setups? |
| 22:15.02 | stew | skypa: yeah |
| 22:15.10 | skypa | cool, ill try that then.. thanks :) |
| 22:15.49 | Technel | gravity: Yes, it exists |
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| 22:16.16 | gravity | themolester: Do you have permissions to read it? |
| 22:16.16 | stew | skypa: and its got a "wizard" to help you get a decent starting point, then you tweak it and it will generate a nice script for you, then optionally scp it to the router and make it active for you |
| 22:16.17 | Technel | stew: 2.4.27-???? |
| 22:16.26 | gravity | Technel: Sorry, that was for you |
| 22:16.27 | RyanB | I'm trying to change my IP on my Debian machine. I know how to bring ethernet up with setting up IP, etc but I think its the system not being on the same IP and hostname that not allow it to connect to my network. |
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| 22:16.30 | Technel | stew: It doesn't actually have the question marks |
| 22:16.33 | RyanB | What command can I use? |
| 22:16.45 | stew | Technel: what does it have then? |
| 22:16.54 | stew | Technel: why are we playing guessing games? |
| 22:17.01 | Amun | does debian have a livecd i can use to test it out on my lappy ? |
| 22:17.07 | Technel | gravity: crw-rw---- |
| 22:17.22 | gravity | Technel: There's your problem. No read permissions. |
| 22:17.22 | stew | Amun: there is no debian livecd |
| 22:17.55 | foxofdoom | Amun: Knoppix is Debian-testing |
| 22:17.55 | stew | gravity: actually that's what mine looks like |
| 22:17.59 | Guerin | Amun: if knoppix or ubuntu live works, debian probably will |
| 22:17.59 | gravity | Hrm |
| 22:18.01 | Technel | stew: I didn't think it would be that important, and I didn't really want to right it down. Here it is: 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 22:18.03 | streuner | Amun: knopper.net and try knoppix |
| 22:18.08 | stew | does /dev/input/mice work in 2.4? |
| 22:18.10 | Guerin | foxofdoom: knoppix is NOT debian testing. |
| 22:18.14 | gravity | Yeah, mine too. Hrm... |
| 22:18.23 | Technel | I recall having this problem in the past...I just can't remember how I solved it :( |
| 22:18.26 | Technel | stew: 2.4? |
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| 22:18.41 | foxofdoom | Guerin: sorry, it's BASED on debian-testing |
| 22:18.51 | streuner | foxofdoom: crap |
| 22:18.53 | stew | !knoppixsmite foxofdoom |
| 22:19.01 | Guerin | no |
| 22:19.07 | Guerin | it IS based on debian testing |
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| 22:19.25 | streuner | foxofdoom: Knoppix based on testing and unstable _and_ some dirty hacks of Knopper himself ;-) |
| 22:19.41 | Spundun | Hmm.. can anyone tell me how to switch from lilo to grub on my debian/testing machine? Right now when I upgrade the kernel, I think it updates lilo.conf ..how do I make it upgrade grub configurations? |
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| 22:20.05 | dondelelcaro | Spundun: install grub, set up your menu.lst, and it will update it for you (or just install grub and run update-grub) |
| 22:20.24 | Guerin | Spundun: apt-get install grub; grub-install /dev/hdx ; update-grub |
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| 22:21.15 | Spundun | dondelelcaro, Guerin : I get error with grub-install phase... I will tell you the error in a moment |
| 22:21.57 | Guerin | !paste Spundun |
| 22:22.04 | Guerin | grr |
| 22:22.07 | Guerin | !paster Spundun |
| 22:22.08 | dpkg | Spundun: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
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| 22:23.39 | fo0 | hi |
| 22:24.13 | groogs | what options are there for hosting something on redundant cable + wireless connections, from different ISPs? |
| 22:25.04 | groogs | I don't really know too much about how multi-homed IPs work, but I assume that it would require cooperation of both ISPs and that could be hard to get.. |
| 22:25.24 | Technel | Anyone have any ideas? (The problem was that x-window-server will not start, it says it could not find the device /dev/input/mice, even though it exists\)? |
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| 22:25.43 | groogs | just having two A records would (very roughly) balance the traffic, but wouldn't help if one connection went down, right? |
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| 22:26.29 | BlueWings | Technel: do you have gpm configured? |
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| 22:27.20 | skypa | mh, is there a way to reinstall a root system which is on /dev/hda1 to /dev/hda1 with debootstrap? |
| 22:27.24 | Technel | BlueWings, gpm? |
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| 22:27.57 | BlueWings | Technel: okay, see if you have this file: /etc/gpm.conf |
| 22:28.00 | skypa | i could add a new partition, but it would be /dev/hda2 :/ |
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| 22:28.28 | Technel | BlueWings: No |
| 22:28.50 | XXeoSS | hi all ... does anyone know about dfsbuild ?? |
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| 22:28.57 | Spundun | dondelelcaro, Guerin : http://channels.debian.net/paste/930 |
| 22:29.08 | BlueWings | well...see if changin the mouse device in the config to /dev/psaux helps |
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| 22:29.35 | BlueWings | I'm just throwing a guess here... |
| 22:29.47 | BlueWings | not really a knowledgeable person to be able to help you beyond that |
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| 22:30.07 | BlueWings | you using xorg or xfree86? |
| 22:30.09 | Technel | BlueWings, That was exactly right :) |
| 22:30.17 | Technel | xfree86, and /dev/psaux worked |
| 22:30.21 | BlueWings | okay |
| 22:30.34 | Technel | Thanks a lot! |
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| 22:30.54 | BlueWings | I had the same problem and I looked up the gpm config file for the actual mouse device file and used that same thing in the xorg file to make it work |
| 22:30.59 | BlueWings | was hoping it'd be the same with you |
| 22:31.20 | Guerin | skypa: yeah. You'd put it in a directory within /, and then when it's finished, you'd copy it all over |
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| 22:31.35 | Spundun | I cant setup grub as the boot loader on my debian testing machine... can someone look at the error I am getting on http://channels.debian.net/paste/930 |
| 22:31.37 | skypa | that sounds pretty dirty ;o |
| 22:32.30 | Guerin | Spundun: man, that's pretty slim informational pickin's. Is that file there, and readable? Also install grub-doc and see what that says. |
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| 22:32.33 | foxofdoom | wow...not a good thing. Debian Stable, just installed. apt-get crashes or seems to crash while making /dev/raw1394, and base-config also crashes. Do I have to reinstall again? |
| 22:32.36 | stew | Spundun: does that file actually exist? do you have /boot on a separate partition? |
| 22:32.42 | Guerin | skypa: yeah. |
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| 22:35.00 | Spundun | stew, yes the file is there. /boot is on a separate partition and its mounted |
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| 22:35.21 | fwtest | why wont this command work? dpkg-reconfigure exim |
| 22:35.25 | stew | Spundun: if /boot is a separate partition, then the grub files go in /boot/boot/grub, not /boot/grub |
| 22:36.03 | Spundun | stew, hmmmm... how do I tell debian that that's the case? |
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| 22:36.52 | stew | Spundun: grub-install --root-directory=/boot /dev/foo |
| 22:36.54 | fwtest | can i use that command for exim4? |
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| 22:37.06 | azeem | fwtest: no |
| 22:37.14 | azeem | fwtest: it's exim4-config or something |
| 22:37.35 | azeem | fwtest: the configure-debian package is a nice frontend, which will let you discover which packages are reconfigurable |
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| 22:38.03 | fwtest | configure-debian? |
| 22:38.29 | fwtest | is it an app? how can i run it? |
| 22:38.30 | Spundun | stew, still the same error.. except The file /boot//boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly. |
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| 22:38.48 | fbi | fwtest: install it |
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| 22:39.23 | kick- | hi |
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| 22:39.44 | kick- | any idea where the exim4 room is guys? |
| 22:40.26 | fbi | kick-: /j #exim |
| 22:40.32 | Azar | vi gets a spellchecker :) |
| 22:41.00 | Azar | http://news.com.com/2061-10795_3-5902479.html?part=rss&tag=5902479&subj=news |
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| 22:41.45 | kick- | ty |
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| 22:42.31 | Rienzilla | Greetings. Does anyone of you know where I can find the kernel config of the deb/ian sarge installer kernel? |
| 22:42.44 | sven15711 | can maybe someone help to get running mod_info on apache |
| 22:42.48 | tarzeau | Rienzilla: why? |
| 22:42.56 | tarzeau | Rienzilla: 2.4 or 2.6? you want to build your own? |
| 22:43.00 | Rienzilla | yes |
| 22:43.04 | Rienzilla | I want a debian installer in a UML |
| 22:43.05 | tarzeau | Rienzilla: to support what? |
| 22:43.12 | tarzeau | yuck |
| 22:43.14 | Rienzilla | but I need a UML enabled kernel to do that |
| 22:43.45 | sven15711 | i load the module mod_info, and uncomment the httpd.conf part for server info and allow from all, but i get only 404 file not found |
| 22:43.52 | Rienzilla | I recon it's the cleanest way to bootstrap a new debian virtual machine :) |
| 22:44.05 | ratonn | any reason to install automake1.4 insteado f 1.9? |
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| 22:44.20 | dondelelcaro | Rienzilla: why not just use debootstrap to do that? |
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| 22:44.50 | mhall | shit! Alt-1 doesn't work in xterm for irssi |
| 22:45.01 | Rienzilla | That might be more work :) |
| 22:45.17 | Azar | mhal Ctl-Alt-Fx |
| 22:45.20 | Azar | x for the number |
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| 22:47.45 | muntz | my cron daily script ran last night |
| 22:47.52 | muntz | it has some disturbingly cryptic entries in the resultant email report |
| 22:47.59 | muntz | eth0: PACKET SNIFFER(/sbin/dhclient[1930]) |
| 22:47.59 | muntz | eth1: PACKET SNIFFER(/usr/sbin/dhcpd[3570]) |
| 22:48.16 | muntz | I'm not at all sure what this means |
| 22:48.37 | muntz | is it saying that a sniffer has been installed? |
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| 22:48.58 | resiak | No, it's saying that you're running dhcp stuff, which is normal. |
| 22:49.21 | muntz | so why the reference to SNIFFER? |
| 22:49.31 | muntz | God that's alarming. |
| 22:49.33 | Technel | Hello, I am running Debian. I did "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" and reconfigured the x-window-server so that the higher resolutions were supported. However, within KDE it only lets me select up to 800x600! Any ideas? |
| 22:49.34 | resiak | You should read up on what chkrootkit actually does, what false positives it produces and why you should not wholly trust its results. I'm not going to type it all out. |
| 22:49.43 | resiak | !any ideas |
| 22:49.43 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of herring, a little K-Y jelly, and a handful of rabid oxen. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few hours! |
| 22:49.49 | muntz | resiak: ok, fair enough |
| 22:50.06 | Amun | if a app is looking for kernel sources to compile, can i just go to kernel.org, and download the kernel version and install ? |
| 22:50.06 | resiak | Technel: Did you hand-edit your X config before running d-r x-x ? |
| 22:50.09 | muntz | mmm, are the herring raw? |
| 22:50.21 | resiak | Amun: No. apt-get install kernel-headers-$( uname -r ) |
| 22:50.28 | thingfish | no, pickled in sour cream. |
| 22:50.35 | Technel | resiak: Yes, to get my back/forw buttons to work on my Logitech mouse |
| 22:50.36 | muntz | ooo, sweet! |
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| 22:50.53 | muntz | in white wine sauce is better tho |
| 22:51.03 | resiak | Technel: /msg dpkg drxx |
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| 22:51.15 | muntz | the Dutch eat herring raw |
| 22:51.23 | budreefer | say where should i start poking? my debian install is running great but it didn't setup any sound with gnome |
| 22:51.45 | fjkadfooo | Are there any programs for Linux/GNOME analogous to CCleaner for Windows? i.e., cleans all of the temporary files of web browsers, desktop environment, other common things that leave residues like that? |
| 22:52.15 | Technel | resiak: Got it, thanks |
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| 22:53.34 | citral | fjkadfooo: uh, there's no such dirty things left. just go in preferences of firefox to purge everything. |
| 22:53.48 | thingfish | lots of fish are good raw. |
| 22:54.03 | streuner | muntz: 'Matjesfilet' - not only dutch people |
| 22:54.04 | foxofdoom | libraw1394-5 won't install for me... |
| 22:54.06 | thingfish | but you need little condiments to go with it. |
| 22:54.21 | Kempston_ | du -sm reports file size is 10Mb |
| 22:54.22 | Kempston_ | du -sm --apparent-size reports file size is 700Mb |
| 22:54.22 | Kempston_ | how do i tell my filesystem to reserve space for file on creation, like ntfs or fat ? |
| 22:54.42 | Spundun | Can anyone help me with setting up grub? I want to switch from lilo. I am getting this error when running grub-install .. http://channels.debian.net/paste/931 |
| 22:55.40 | Spundun | My system is Debian/Testing. |
| 22:55.44 | resiak | Kempston_: Are we meant to guess what filesystem you are using? |
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| 22:56.43 | muntz | ricerfs |
| 22:56.47 | Kempston_ | resiak i can consider changing filesystem, but i prefer using reiserfs |
| 22:56.54 | muntz | ! |
| 22:56.57 | kick- | . |
| 22:57.07 | resiak | !win muntz |
| 22:57.07 | dpkg | Congratulations, muntz! You have won the US presidency! |
| 22:57.09 | muntz | ow |
| 22:57.22 | resiak | Kempston_: Well, why not read ricerfs' documentation? |
| 22:57.31 | kick- | wish i could get nix ver of AA that would do |
| 22:57.36 | muntz | I too run some reiserfs just for grins |
| 22:57.37 | Kempston_ | can you point me to key words ? |
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| 22:58.02 | muntz | I like playing with xfs too |
| 22:58.38 | fjkadfooo | citral, KDE left thumbnails of icons in /home/jeff/.thumbnails and they took up like 150 MB every time I went to empty them. Does GNOME (what I'm using now) not have a similar cache? |
| 22:58.40 | resiak | Kempston_: How should I know? And do you have any really good reason for wanting that? |
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| 22:58.50 | Kempston_ | well |
| 22:58.51 | resiak | Kempston_: (but I _think_ that the word to look for is "sparse files" |
| 22:58.55 | Kempston_ | i've been reading it |
| 22:59.00 | Kempston_ | havn't found what i need |
| 22:59.05 | muntz | and may I say, Sarge is the best Debian ever. |
| 22:59.06 | Kempston_ | oook |
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| 22:59.07 | Kempston_ | thnx |
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| 22:59.23 | Viking667 | wow! Did I just step into #class or something??? |
| 22:59.23 | citral | fjkadfooo: don't ask me, I couldn't know. |
| 22:59.46 | citral | I'm on fluxbox since ever. |
| 22:59.47 | muntz | this is #touchofclass |
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| 23:00.02 | Viking667 | Anyhow, I'm having a small problem with Ubuntu (Hoary) and wanted to know what deb that update-menus is in... |
| 23:00.17 | citral | Viking667: grrrr 'ubuntu |
| 23:00.20 | resiak | !knoppix |
| 23:00.20 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandriva is redhat. |
| 23:00.27 | resiak | Ack, typo |
| 23:00.28 | resiak | !ubuntu |
| 23:00.28 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 23:00.29 | Viking667 | yeah, I know.... |
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| 23:00.43 | resiak | (Yes, I have !ubuntu and !knoppix keybindings) |
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| 23:00.51 | Viking667 | lol |
| 23:00.57 | resiak | Viking667: You can ask #ubuntu, or read the dpkg manual. HTH HAND |
| 23:01.07 | muntz | Ubuntu: the unDebian. |
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| 23:01.19 | Viking667 | Right. anyhow, what package IS update-menus in, just so I kno what to gun for? |
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| 23:01.46 | resiak | Viking667: You can read the dpkg manual to find out how to find that out. HTH HAND again! |
| 23:01.51 | justin420 | hi, anybody help me configure xfree86 to get my new nvidia geforce fx 5500 to work? i can get both the tv and my flatscreen to work before i startx, but after i startx i lose my flatscreen and just the tv works. ive downloaded the latest driver from www.nvidia.com, and followed directions in the README file, I am still lose and cant get it work. |
| 23:02.00 | resiak | Viking667: (clue: dpkg -S ) |
| 23:02.01 | markl__ | any transcode users here? what source do you use |
| 23:02.01 | Tortel | damn, i have alot of updates |
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| 23:02.21 | Tortel | should i update even though it wants to remove alot?? |
| 23:02.22 | azeem | <stereo> lesson 1 of running ubuntu: if it's a debian problem, pretend you're running etch in #debian |
| 23:02.23 | markl__ | justin420: did you install the nvidia-kernel package |
| 23:02.43 | markl__ | rule #5 first of course |
| 23:02.48 | gravity | azeem: Please don't do that |
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| 23:02.58 | gravity | #ubuntu exists for good reason |
| 23:03.00 | markl__ | justin420: there is also a #nvidia channel |
| 23:03.14 | Mi | Czeœ |
| 23:03.19 | Viking667 | whoops - sorry, am trying to track three things simultaneously here at the moment. |
| 23:03.25 | muntz | Whereas Ubuntu exists for no good reason. |
| 23:03.33 | justin420 | mark1__: i have tried in there and nobody seems to help.... i think i have it installed? |
| 23:03.37 | Tortel | ubuntu is ok |
| 23:03.41 | resiak | markl__: marillat. /msg dpkg marillat |
| 23:03.47 | Tortel | just you loose alot of debian in it |
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| 23:04.02 | muntz | Ubuntu has some slick features |
| 23:04.08 | Viking667 | I don't mind Ubuntu, there,s just a menu-updating issue I want to resolve. |
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| 23:04.09 | resiak | Okay, can we all hit /clear and take Ubuntu discussion elsewhere? |
| 23:04.21 | fo0 | yes ! |
| 23:04.21 | fbi | Viking667: tried installing 'menu' ? |
| 23:04.23 | Viking667 | Cool. Will do. |
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| 23:04.51 | Viking667 | I'll look that one up in the database (again). Thanks for the suggestion. |
| 23:04.51 | krion_ | hi everyone |
| 23:05.04 | muntz | Hi. Try some fugu? |
| 23:05.11 | budreefer | say where can i look to find a boot log? |
| 23:05.16 | ufoalien | anybody here with a toshiba notebook? |
| 23:05.21 | abrotman | budreefer: /var/log |
| 23:05.24 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 23:05.24 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 23:05.27 | budreefer | tks |
| 23:05.28 | resiak | !anyone use |
| 23:05.28 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 23:05.35 | krion_ | budreefer: you can also try dmesg |
| 23:05.42 | resiak | ufoalien: Just ask your question. If someone knows, they will answer. |
| 23:05.46 | justin420 | mark1__: does the nvidia kernel package come with the .run file from nvidia? i have a 2.6.13.4 kern, i believe i have the right options enabled for my nvidia card. |
| 23:05.58 | Tortel | !nvidia |
| 23:06.02 | dpkg | well, nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer! Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-howto" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists, or the nvidia-kernel-source package |
| 23:06.03 | fwtest | which packet contains php-config? |
| 23:06.04 | Viking667 | ahhhhhhh. Now why the **** didn't U******* put THAT in? Sheesh. |
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| 23:06.09 | budreefer | krion_ : that was wat i was lookin' for :) thanks |
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| 23:06.33 | abrotman | jbot: apt ? |
| 23:06.34 | jbot | i heard apt is the Advanced Package Tool, an advanced frontend for dpkg and rpm (depending on your system). For Debian it's a frontend for dpkg. an infobot, the same instance of a blootbot as ibot, jbot, and purl |
| 23:06.34 | abrotman | jbot: apt ? |
| 23:06.35 | jbot | i heard apt is the Advanced Package Tool, an advanced frontend for dpkg and rpm (depending on your system). For Debian it's a frontend for dpkg. an infobot, the same instance of a blootbot as ibot, jbot, and purl |
| 23:06.36 | Viking667 | Okay. That ought to solve my problem. It's been too long since I ran Debian that Ubuntu's sending me off in a random direction. |
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| 23:06.47 | abrotman | how many bots does tim need here ? |
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| 23:07.01 | Tortel | alot |
| 23:07.02 | ufoalien | resiak: there's no simple question, i'd like to do a test, because someone reported a bug for my package, and it seems only to be on toshiba notebooks... and just have got an toshiba t1910 with 200mb hd and 2mb ram |
| 23:07.04 | Tortel | !right? |
| 23:07.04 | Tortel | !right? |
| 23:07.05 | dpkg | right, (adj): 1) The opposite of left. 2) What cafuego says. |
| 23:07.06 | Viking667 | 'm used to dpkg, apt, synaptic and all those, was just the menu-updating that was throwing me. |
| 23:07.26 | abrotman | ufoalien: that's enough to run bo! |
| 23:07.27 | abrotman | :) |
| 23:07.34 | Tortel | gah 1.5+ hours for updates |
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| 23:07.54 | ufoalien | abrotman: ? |
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| 23:08.08 | abrotman | ufoalien: it was a joke .. ignore .. carry on |
| 23:08.09 | resiak | ufoalien: With all due respect, you could still have just asked "I'm looking for people running Debian on Toshiba laptops who would be willing to test something for me" etc. Incidentally, I am, and I am willing to test something on my Toshiba A50. |
| 23:08.16 | Tortel | !gnome |
| 23:08.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, gnome is a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome> |
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| 23:08.31 | resiak | Tortel: /msg the bot please |
| 23:08.37 | fbi | Tortel: why do you feel the need to trigger the bot in public, 50 times a day, every day? |
| 23:08.41 | liransd_ | you guys remember i had a problem getting ping or having a sign of any sort of networking on an old p1/32ram with woody system? seems like the problem was that i installed a 2.2 kernel and not the 2.4 |
| 23:08.48 | liransd_ | just thought anyone would like to know that |
| 23:08.49 | Tortel | cause |
| 23:08.51 | tylerdurden | Is it possible to have awk or sed change output files based on a line match? i.e. break up a large txt file with periodic separators into many small files, with each chunk in-between the separators representing a new file? |
| 23:09.00 | markl__ | doh who just made the transcode / marillat suggestion a few minutes ago? what was that msg command again? |
| 23:09.06 | ufoalien | resiak: you're right |
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| 23:09.16 | fbi | Tortel: fine. keep doing it and get banned for bot abuse. i _really_ don't care. |
| 23:09.18 | abrotman | ufoalien: now ask him to test it! |
| 23:09.18 | abrotman | ufoalien: now ask him to test it! |
| 23:09.29 | resiak | markl__: /msg dpkg marillat. Learn to scroll up. |
| 23:09.47 | thingfish | if you'd abuse a bot, you'd abuse a puppy. |
| 23:10.03 | citral | maybe even an animal |
| 23:10.05 | markl__ | resiak: i ended my irssi session otherwise i would have hit pgup. learn to chill out |
| 23:10.05 | markl__ | resiak: i ended my irssi session otherwise i would have hit pgup. learn to chill out |
| 23:10.08 | abrotman | fbi: you'd need an op to get him banned :) |
| 23:10.13 | azeem | markl__: keep logs :) |
| 23:10.18 | ufoalien | I'm looking for people running debian (unstable/testing/experimental) on toshiba laptops who would willing to test something for me, so i can close a bug. thanks |
| 23:10.25 | abrotman | ufoalien: resiak said he has an A50 |
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| 23:10.32 | Verxion | hello everyone |
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| 23:10.37 | Tortel | hi |
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| 23:10.37 | Tortel | hi |
| 23:10.37 | citral | oi |
| 23:10.37 | fbi | abrotman: i know, just trying to give him a warning about what *can* happen, but obviously he's some sort of cyber-rebel |
| 23:10.37 | fbi | abrotman: i know, just trying to give him a warning about what *can* happen, but obviously he's some sort of cyber-rebel |
| 23:10.46 | resiak | ufoalien: You might want to define "something", and I already said yeah, I'll help :) |
| 23:10.46 | abrotman | fbi: or .. something |
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| 23:11.02 | ufoalien | resiak: ok, thx, (query) |
| 23:11.02 | ufoalien | resiak: ok, thx, (query) |
| 23:11.09 | abrotman | no way .. talk here! |
| 23:11.20 | abrotman | i have an ibm laptop! |
| 23:11.28 | resiak | ufoalien: On-channel please, unless it's really really channel-spammy |
| 23:11.28 | resiak | ufoalien: On-channel please, unless it's really really channel-spammy |
| 23:11.36 | abrotman | and gooey! |
| 23:11.38 | Verxion | I would like to do a very minimalistic debian installation for a text only firewall/gateway. Can someone recommend a current base that would work well to this end? (I have been out of debian for about 5 years). Is the official netinst stable release good for this purpose? |
| 23:11.38 | markl__ | azeem: heh good point |
| 23:11.44 | resiak | Verxion: Yes. |
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| 23:11.51 | ufoalien | resiak: ah ok, i'm just always confused about the speed here ;) |
| 23:11.59 | citral | Verxion: yeah |
| 23:12.01 | Verxion | resiak: you must be the fastest reader on the planet, rofl |
| 23:12.03 | abrotman | ufoalien: what speed ? |
| 23:12.11 | abrotman | !d-i Verxion |
| 23:12.12 | dpkg | Verxion, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 23:12.17 | Tortel | umm, what caused 702 things to be updated within the past 2 weeks? |
| 23:12.28 | abrotman | Tortel: you're using sid |
| 23:12.29 | abrotman | duh |
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| 23:12.33 | azeem | Tortel: check whether you are really using sarge |
| 23:12.34 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:12.40 | abrotman | or maybe even etch |
| 23:12.43 | abrotman | but probably sid |
| 23:12.43 | abrotman | but probably sid |
| 23:12.50 | markl__ | azeem: how do you check which version is installed? |
| 23:12.53 | resiak | Etch has been going _quite_ nuts, but not that nuts. |
| 23:12.57 | Tortel | o shit |
| 23:13.00 | azeem | markl__: which version of what? |
| 23:13.05 | Tortel | it is set to etch |
| 23:13.06 | Tortel | lol |
| 23:13.09 | ufoalien | ok, the following problem: somebody reported he can't see the battery status with my package (acpitool) when acpid is not installed, so i'd ask you to install acpitool, remove apid and run acpitool, and tell me what's written on the screen. |
| 23:13.16 | ufoalien | abrotman: i meant the writing spead |
| 23:13.17 | markl__ | azeem: sid, etch, etc? i have just been on "unstable" for awhile |
| 23:13.22 | resiak | ufoalien: Okay, hang on. |
| 23:13.22 | citral | this /etc/network/options is depracated message disturbs me |
| 23:13.25 | azeem | markl__: unstable is unstable |
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| 23:13.30 | Viking667 | Right. Thanks for help, all. |
| 23:13.30 | azeem | it doesn't change codenames |
| 23:13.41 | abrotman | resiak: two weeks is a lot .. especially depending what you have installed |
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| 23:13.49 | resiak | abrotman: KDE? ;) |
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| 23:14.03 | abrotman | resiak: yeah .. |
| 23:14.13 | citral | no swearingplease |
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| 23:14.22 | abrotman | why? |
| 23:14.26 | abrotman | who fucking swore!? |
| 23:14.44 | abrotman | kde is a kurse word now ? |
| 23:14.55 | muntz | All I said was, America Number One! |
| 23:14.55 | markl__ | azeem: so the marillat package wants me to specify sid or etch; can i just put unstable in the sources.list? |
| 23:14.56 | citral | pshhhh you said it again |
| 23:14.56 | citral | pshhhh you said it again |
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| 23:14.59 | fbi | abrotman: brb, gotta go take a kde |
| 23:15.00 | tomsdimension | is there a way to install debian with a 2.6 kernel instead of the default 2.4 because 2.4 doesnt work with my machine |
| 23:15.04 | abrotman | fbi: hehe |
| 23:15.05 | muntz | I keep forgetting how offensive that is. |
| 23:15.05 | muntz | I keep forgetting how offensive that is. |
| 23:15.11 | azeem | markl__: dunno about Marillat |
| 23:15.15 | abrotman | tomsdimension: yes .. |
| 23:15.16 | abrotman | !ig |
| 23:15.16 | dpkg | hmm... ig is the install guide for stable: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for woody (oldstable): http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual |
| 23:15.16 | dpkg | hmm... ig is the install guide for stable: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for woody (oldstable): http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual |
| 23:15.16 | resiak | tomsdimension: read the screens you are presented with, read the install guide |
| 23:15.23 | antgel | tomsdimension: linux26 at the boot prompt of the installer |
| 23:15.24 | resiak | tomsdimension: The short answer is "linux26" |
| 23:15.24 | budreefer | can anyone tell me what 'pciehp' is? |
| 23:15.25 | resiak | tomsdimension: The short answer is "linux26" |
| 23:15.30 | resiak | !google pciehp |
| 23:15.33 | tomsdimension | thanks |
| 23:15.39 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: Re: kurse word> That's funny. |
| 23:15.39 | budreefer | ;) |
| 23:15.39 | budreefer | ;) |
| 23:15.45 | dpkg | Google says pciehp is at http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2004/09/msg00009.html or http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2004/09/msg00010.html or http://lists.debian.org/debian-italian/2005/02/msg00568.html or http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2004/10/msg00173.html or http://glide.stanford.edu/lxr/source/drivers/pci/hotplug/pciehp.h?v=linux-2.6.5 |
| 23:15.54 | resiak | budreefer: ^^^ they can |
| 23:16.01 | fbi | markl__: marillat uses code names only now. /msg dkpg marillat key |
| 23:16.07 | antgel | !google britney's tits |
| 23:16.10 | fbi | err |
| 23:16.11 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: yeah .. sometimes it happens |
| 23:16.19 | fbi | s/dkpg/dpkg/ |
| 23:16.20 | dpkg | Google says britney's tits is at http://www.melonfarmers.co.uk/ssnewr18.htm or http://www.melonfarmers.co.uk/r18cuts.htm or http://kypros.org/Occupied_Cyprus/marathovounos/wwwboard/3154.html or http://sirrodney.com/singlereview/My+First+Sex+Teacher or http://www.cna.org.uk/gblog/archive/?weblog=2&archive=0000001 |
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| 23:16.27 | budreefer | lol anthel |
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| 23:16.53 | magyar | hola |
| 23:17.09 | budreefer | hmm i should prolly turn that off seeing as i have no PCI-E |
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| 23:17.21 | magyar | is there a way to tell pppoe not to modify /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 23:17.25 | liransd_ | after an installation of woody (kernel 2.4) it attempts to run xdm as it seems but freezes. how can i completely remove it and login on console instead? |
| 23:17.29 | Mi | hello |
| 23:17.32 | resiak | !nodm |
| 23:17.32 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 23:17.32 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 23:17.57 | Mi | i can't install debian sarge |
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| 23:18.12 | fbi | Mi: why not |
| 23:18.12 | fbi | Mi: why not |
| 23:18.16 | Mi | i install base system |
| 23:18.20 | Verxion | sarge is 31 right? |
| 23:18.21 | resiak | !tell Mi -about enter |
| 23:18.25 | abrotman | !pl |
| 23:18.25 | dpkg | i heard pl is sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl |
| 23:18.25 | dpkg | i heard pl is sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl |
| 23:18.26 | Mi | yeas |
| 23:18.49 | Mi | i don't know what i shoult to do |
| 23:19.08 | Mi | sorry for my english i', from poland |
| 23:19.13 | Guerin | !install for dummies |
| 23:19.13 | dpkg | 1) acquire debian cd 2) place cd in cdrom drive 3) reboot 4) mash enter repeatedly until mashing enter doesn't work any more 5) enter usernames and passwords as requested |
| 23:19.19 | Guerin | Mi: ^^^ |
| 23:19.21 | fbi | haha |
| 23:19.25 | citral | heh |
| 23:19.37 | fbi | never seen that factoid |
| 23:19.43 | Verxion | guerin: HILARIOUS! |
| 23:19.45 | fbi | but it's a good'un |
| 23:19.55 | Guerin | the best bit is that IT WORKS |
| 23:19.55 | Guerin | the best bit is that IT WORKS |
| 23:20.06 | Mi | okey |
| 23:20.08 | budreefer | hehe i would know ;) |
| 23:20.09 | Verxion | Guerin: really? Don't you have to choose packages and stuff? |
| 23:20.11 | Guerin | (unless you have special requirements or exotic hardware) |
| 23:20.11 | Guerin | (unless you have special requirements or exotic hardware) |
| 23:20.12 | fbi | yeah, if you don't want to pick any packages |
| 23:20.19 | Mi | when i installed base system |
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| 23:20.22 | Guerin | Verxion: at that point the install is finished |
| 23:20.26 | Verxion | Guerin: I haven't installed debian since woody, which was quite easy |
| 23:20.31 | Mi | i don't know |
| 23:20.32 | Verxion | Guerin: ahh, I see your point |
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| 23:20.41 | abrotman | Verxion: you can .. |
| 23:20.51 | Mi | what i should install full system |
| 23:20.55 | thingfish | Verxion: it's incredibly easy now. |
| 23:20.57 | resiak | !pl |
| 23:20.57 | resiak | !pl |
| 23:20.57 | dpkg | methinks pl is sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl |
| 23:21.02 | Verxion | thingfish: good to hear. :) |
| 23:21.19 | Guerin | Mi: is base system installed? |
| 23:21.21 | fo0 | partyline too |
| 23:21.21 | fo0 | partyline too |
| 23:21.27 | Mi | yes |
| 23:21.42 | Guerin | Mi: from a root shell, run 'tasksel' |
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| 23:21.54 | abrotman | ew |
| 23:21.59 | Mi | ok i 'll try |
| 23:21.59 | Mi | ok i 'll try |
| 23:21.59 | citral | bleh |
| 23:22.01 | resiak | ufoalien: Battery #1 : charged, 100.0% / AC adapter : on-line / Thermal zone 1 : ok, 70 C |
| 23:22.05 | Mi | one question more |
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| 23:22.14 | Mi | i hawe lan marvell yukon |
| 23:22.16 | ufoalien | resiak: ok, thank you very much |
| 23:22.22 | Mi | i search |
| 23:22.24 | resiak | !tell Mi -about enter |
| 23:22.24 | resiak | !tell Mi -about enter |
| 23:22.38 | fbi | Mi: please, /j #debian.pl |
| 23:22.41 | Mi | drivers but i don't |
| 23:22.48 | Mi | have it yet |
| 23:22.48 | Mi | have it yet |
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| 23:23.17 | resiak | !wb SaneEnglishMonk |
| 23:23.18 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! SaneEnglishMonk has returned! |
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| 23:23.35 | Verxion | wow |
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| 23:23.45 | Verxion | the text of booting the netinst CD was quite ugly |
| 23:23.47 | ryan` | seattle:~# uptime |
| 23:23.47 | ryan` | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.51 | thingfish | oh please |
| 23:24.05 | ryan` | horray for woody. |
| 23:24.55 | Guerin | Verxion: let me know how it goes |
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| 23:25.47 | Verxion | Guerin: it died |
| 23:25.47 | Guerin | ryan`: i can keep a box up for 383 days on 0.00 load too |
| 23:25.47 | Verxion | Guerin: I am wondering if it is because it is an AMD Athlon T-Bird |
| 23:25.47 | magyar | is there a way to tell pppoe not to modify /etc/resolv.conf ? |
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| 23:25.47 | Verxion | Guerin: it died |
| 23:25.47 | Guerin | ryan`: i can keep a box up for 383 days on 0.00 load too |
| 23:25.48 | Verxion | Guerin: I am wondering if it is because it is an AMD Athlon T-Bird |
| 23:25.48 | magyar | is there a way to tell pppoe not to modify /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 23:25.49 | Guerin | Verxion: why would that be relevant? |
| 23:26.07 | phogg | magyar: chmod a-r /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 23:26.07 | Verxion | Guerin: I don't know - if something was compiled with p4 optimizations for example. . . |
| 23:26.08 | citral | magyar: probably, if you readthe doc. |
| 23:26.09 | phogg | magyar: chmod a-r /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 23:26.09 | Verxion | Guerin: I don't know - if something was compiled with p4 optimizations for example. . . |
| 23:26.09 | citral | magyar: probably, if you readthe doc. |
| 23:26.09 | Guerin | magyar: chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf |
| 23:26.23 | phogg | er... I mean -w, not -r |
| 23:26.24 | Guerin | Verxion: why on earth would an installer be built with p4 optimisations? |
| 23:26.24 | Guerin | Verxion: why on earth would an installer be built with p4 optimisations? |
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| 23:26.44 | Verxion | Guerin: I wouldn't know. :) I just tried gentoo earlier - stranger things have happened. :) |
| 23:26.52 | thingfish | Verxion: look at the platforms Debian supports - and then rethink your doubts. |
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| 23:27.22 | Verxion | thingfish: I should clarify - I love debian - always have. I just haven't used it in about 5 years. My hardware is old, I thought that might be my issue. |
| 23:27.34 | Guerin | haha |
| 23:27.39 | Guerin | an athlon |
| 23:27.40 | Guerin | old |
| 23:27.40 | Guerin | old |
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| 23:27.44 | Guerin | that's a good one |
| 23:27.47 | ircops_home | Guerin: you're up already? :D |
| 23:27.50 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:27.50 | abrotman | i have a 486 running sarge |
| 23:27.56 | Verxion | Guerin: its a 1.1 ghz t-bird that I bought over 5 years ago |
| 23:28.07 | Guerin | ircops_home: it's half past eight, I'm already at work |
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| 23:28.13 | md5sum_home | ahhh |
| 23:28.18 | Verxion | interesting |
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| 23:28.23 | Verxion | the second boot attempt "just worked" |
| 23:28.26 | md5sum_home | hey wtf is wajig? |
| 23:28.27 | Azar | first full Release Candidate (RC1) for the upcoming X.Org Foundation release of X11R6.9 and X11R7 has arrived :) |
| 23:28.31 | Guerin | Verxion: anything measured in gigahertz isn't old by any measure |
| 23:28.36 | Verxion | heh |
| 23:28.37 | Verxion | ok |
| 23:28.53 | Guerin | Azar: in experimental |
| 23:28.54 | abrotman | unless it's .1 Ghz |
| 23:28.54 | fbi | wajig - simplified Debian package management front end |
| 23:29.12 | Azar | Guerin, ah I thought full release means stable |
| 23:29.12 | thingfish | I thought synaptic had that covered. |
| 23:29.22 | Verxion | I like the new progress meter |
| 23:29.28 | Verxion | the last install I did didn't have that |
| 23:29.32 | md5sum_home | fbi: is it worth a flip or not? |
| 23:29.50 | Guerin | Azar: dude, it's a release candidate |
| 23:29.50 | thingfish | here's a nice new project: gnomebaker. |
| 23:29.50 | thingfish | here's a nice new project: gnomebaker. |
| 23:29.54 | fbi | md5sum_home: no idea, i don't use anything like it. |
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| 23:30.10 | Guerin | thingfish: mmm, baked gnomes |
| 23:30.13 | md5sum_home | hehe |
| 23:30.14 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:30.15 | Guerin | pity it can't burn cds |
| 23:30.36 | krion_ | magyar: try to comment usepeerdns in your dsl-provider file |
| 23:30.37 | thingfish | I haven't had any problems with it. |
| 23:30.39 | antgel | ping SimonRaven |
| 23:30.54 | abrotman | thingfish: not exaclty new |
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| 23:30.58 | magyar | krion_: i dont have that in the files |
| 23:31.10 | shale | anyone have any ascii art links for debian stuff |
| 23:31.16 | thingfish | abrotman: well, it's sort of just now getting to the debutante stage. |
| 23:31.16 | thingfish | abrotman: well, it's sort of just now getting to the debutante stage. |
| 23:31.16 | shale | like "i heart debian"... that kinda crap? |
| 23:31.25 | abrotman | thingfish: alos .. graveman iirc |
| 23:31.30 | antgel | "i spunked on debian" |
| 23:31.34 | thingfish | ooh |
| 23:31.41 | Guerin | shale: 1 <3 debain lol |
| 23:31.45 | shale | yes antgel that sort of thing |
| 23:31.47 | Guerin | shale: there ya go |
| 23:31.47 | Guerin | shale: there ya go |
| 23:31.51 | shale | nice |
| 23:32.13 | Verxion | woah |
| 23:32.14 | Verxion | interesting |
| 23:32.22 | Technel | Can anyone tell me where the GRUB config file is? I forget... |
| 23:32.22 | antgel | shale: no, but there might be a niche market for debpr0n methinks |
| 23:32.24 | Verxion | looks like there is graphics in with the text |
| 23:32.29 | Verxion | in the partition disks window. . . |
| 23:32.32 | Guerin | Technel: /boot/grub/minix_stage1_5 |
| 23:32.33 | Guerin | bah |
| 23:32.36 | Verxion | am I in text mode or no? |
| 23:32.37 | Verxion | am I in text mode or no? |
| 23:32.40 | Guerin | Technel: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 23:32.46 | krion_ | magyar: you could also chattr -i /etc/resolv.conf but that's kind of dirty |
| 23:32.49 | Guerin | !htfswk Verxion |
| 23:32.50 | dpkg | Verxion: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 23:32.50 | dpkg | Verxion: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 23:33.01 | Guerin | krion_: +i, and yeah, it is dirty |
| 23:33.06 | Azar | Guerin they say that by Dec. 2005 the full stable will be released: will Sarge adopt it after that? |
| 23:33.20 | Guerin | Azar: sarge will never have xorg. Ever. |
| 23:33.23 | fbi | Verxion: there are no "graphics", anywhere, during the debian installer. |
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| 23:33.25 | antgel | !tell azar about releases |
| 23:33.25 | krion_ | yes, +i sorry |
| 23:33.27 | abrotman | Guerin: ever? |
| 23:33.27 | abrotman | Guerin: ever? |
| 23:33.35 | Guerin | abrotman: EVAR! |
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| 23:33.42 | antgel | ever ever? |
| 23:33.44 | Azar | not found, Guerin |
| 23:33.52 | Azar | err antgel |
| 23:33.52 | Azar | err antgel |
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| 23:34.08 | Verxion | fbi: Ok, probably edited the character set then |
| 23:34.09 | citral | Azar: http://www.debian.org/releases |
| 23:34.11 | antgel | Azar: www.debian.org/releases. please familiarise yourself |
| 23:34.29 | Azar | The requested URL /releases. was not found on this server |
| 23:34.31 | Technel | Guerin: I probably should have just used find. That was it, thanks :) |
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| 23:34.38 | Guerin | Azar: s/.// |
| 23:34.44 | Azar | citral's worked :) |
| 23:34.44 | Azar | citral's worked :) |
| 23:34.59 | citral | I won a cookie I guess |
| 23:35.11 | Verxion | so what is the recommended partitioning for debian installs? Do you guys typically have a /boot partition? How big do you usually need for the / partition if you do a minimalistic non gui install |
| 23:35.17 | resiak | Verxion, fbi: the happy and sad faces are, I think, Unicode chars. |
| 23:35.18 | Guerin | Verxion: widhe |
| 23:35.18 | Guerin | Verxion: widhe |
| 23:35.29 | antgel | Verxion: do what you need |
| 23:35.38 | citral | Verxion: yes. depends, but. no. |
| 23:35.53 | antgel | Verxion: i tend to separate /boot on raid-5 boxes as /boot can't be on raid-5 |
| 23:35.54 | fbi | resiak: yeah, but i was trying to explain that there is no 'graphical install' |
| 23:35.56 | Verxion | antgel: does the debian installer still prompt you to mount each partition as whatever name you want? |
| 23:35.58 | resiak | fbi: I see. |
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| 23:36.25 | antgel | Verxion: it gives you a standard scheme which you can fuck with, if that's what you're asking |
| 23:36.31 | Azar | ok I read about releases still I have the question: if xorg goes stable, and a Sarge user wishes to use it, it will be forced to go "etch" for that? |
| 23:36.43 | antgel | !tell Azar about backports |
| 23:36.57 | JoshH | if xorg goes stable? |
| 23:37.06 | Verxion | antgel: last debian install I did (if memory serves), I could make 4 partitions and then mount one as /usr and one as /stupid and whatever - it just asked me what I wanted each of them to be mounted as |
| 23:37.13 | fbi | Azar: new packages do not enter the current stable, ever |
| 23:37.21 | thingfish | you don't understand the Debian idea of stable, Azar. |
| 23:37.33 | antgel | Verxion: you can enter what you want mount points to be, yes. |
| 23:37.33 | antgel | Verxion: you can enter what you want mount points to be, yes. |
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| 23:37.45 | Verxion | ok, good |
| 23:37.55 | thingfish | Azar: Debian "stable" means what you see is what you get, except for security update. |
| 23:37.59 | thingfish | *updates. |
| 23:37.59 | thingfish | *updates. |
| 23:38.16 | Verxion | I feel naked not using the old fashioned text mode fdisk proggie that is still the same since 1991. :) |
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| 23:38.28 | antgel | and perhaps a grave bug or two, but rarely |
| 23:38.31 | citral | or you won't get any extra features, just bug fixes- |
| 23:38.48 | antgel | Verxion: d-i is great indeed, but fdisk is quicker :) |
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| 23:38.58 | Verxion | antgel: yup yup |
| 23:39.00 | thingfish | right - but nothing as drastically new as xorg over xfree86. |
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| 23:39.32 | antgel | i really saw the power of d-i when i did an install straight to raid-5. root on raid was always painful before. |
| 23:39.44 | thingfish | neat |
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| 23:40.04 | landslide | how do i determine my current dhclient settings? particularly I want to know the current FQDN... |
| 23:40.24 | magyar | Guerin: "chattr: Inappropriate ioctl for device while reading flags on resolv.conf" |
| 23:40.33 | antgel | landslide: um, hostname --fqdn, man dhclient.conf |
| 23:40.44 | landslide | thanks! |
| 23:41.16 | landslide | antgel: it says localhost.localdomain does this mean that it is not configured? |
| 23:41.17 | Azar | when we modify the sources list to port a package into Sarge, this will be done only temporarily, until we locate and install that package, right? after that we modify the sources list back to Sarge? |
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| 23:41.49 | thingfish | Azar: sure. the # key is your friend. |
| 23:41.52 | antgel | landslide: no, it means that you should remove localhost.localdomain from /etc/hosts. see recent discussion on debian-devel. |
| 23:41.53 | Azar | thanks antgel, thingfish |
| 23:41.53 | Azar | thanks antgel, thingfish |
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| 23:42.06 | Azar | thingfish :) thank you that is right |
| 23:42.15 | thingfish | ;) |
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| 23:42.29 | xmb | how to boot a fresh kfreebsd at ad0s4, with grub or at the fbsd boot prompt |
| 23:42.29 | xmb | how to boot a fresh kfreebsd at ad0s4, with grub or at the fbsd boot prompt |
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| 23:42.44 | mirak | when using CDRDAO should I use the option read-subchannel ? |
| 23:42.45 | antgel | Azar: if you start mixing distros you're in for a rough time. it is NOT SUPPORTED |
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| 23:43.04 | landslide | antgel: where is debian-devel? |
| 23:43.31 | thingfish | landslide: try #cancun or #st-tropez |
| 23:43.41 | thingfish | sorry |
| 23:43.43 | antgel | landslide: archives at lists.debian.org, or newsgroup linux.debian.devel on groups.google.com |
| 23:43.44 | antgel | landslide: archives at lists.debian.org, or newsgroup linux.debian.devel on groups.google.com |
| 23:44.00 | thingfish | more like #local-pub |
| 23:44.03 | antgel | !drumroll thingfish |
| 23:44.21 | thingfish | yum, rabbit. |
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| 23:45.07 | Kempston_ | anyone have any idea how do disable sparse files on ext3 or reiserfs ? |
| 23:45.17 | Kempston_ | or even xfs |
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| 23:45.49 | antgel | hmm, having seen the sarge proposed updates, looks like it could be changing quite a bit :) |
| 23:46.00 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 23:46.16 | azeem | "proposed" |
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| 23:46.41 | abrotman | antgel: that's not that much IMO |
| 23:47.24 | antgel | abrotman: some pretty big names though. most of my system apparently :) |
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| 23:47.48 | abrotman | antgel: you'll live |
| 23:48.04 | antgel | abrotman: thanks for the vote of confidence |
| 23:48.08 | abrotman | antgel: should be critical/grave/security issues only :) |
| 23:48.24 | rohal | how to mount fat32 files with write permissions? |
| 23:48.24 | rohal | how to mount fat32 files with write permissions? |
| 23:48.47 | azeem | antgel: but those have been moved from stable-security to stable-proposed-updates to prepare 3.1r1 |
| 23:48.47 | azeem | antgel: but those have been moved from stable-security to stable-proposed-updates to prepare 3.1r1 |
| 23:48.52 | landslide | what am i looking for? the core problem is that the linux box's domain name cannot be pinged on our network. So I assume the FQDN is not set correctly, shouldn't it get set with dhclient? |
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| 23:49.14 | antgel | azeem: i see 'em |
| 23:49.22 | jim | landslide: does the ip of the machine match the fqdn |
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| 23:49.30 | tidalih | Hello, I have a debian server with 2GB of ram but it is not noticing it, how do I fix this problem? |
| 23:49.31 | rohal | how to mount fat32 partitions with write permissions? |
| 23:49.31 | Verxion | impressive |
| 23:49.32 | punkideas | rohal: mount +w /dev/hda /wherever_your_mount_point_is |
| 23:49.32 | punkideas | rohal: mount +w /dev/hda /wherever_your_mount_point_is |
| 23:49.32 | jim | can you ping the machine by number |
| 23:49.42 | Verxion | the install installed debian and successfully booted |
| 23:49.48 | Verxion | with virtually NO interaction from me |
| 23:49.55 | antgel | landslide: if you want dhclient to update a dns server, you need to add some lines to dhclient.conf |
| 23:49.55 | antgel | landslide: if you want dhclient to update a dns server, you need to add some lines to dhclient.conf |
| 23:50.10 | jim | Verxion: yeah yeah :) we're getting there :) |
| 23:50.12 | antgel | Verxion: leaving you free to do the housework etc |
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| 23:50.17 | punkideas | rohal: if it complains, add -t fat32 |
| 23:50.17 | Verxion | I use static IP's so I had to enter that |
| 23:50.18 | rohal | punkideas: what if i want it default for every session....adding rw to fstab doesnt work? |
| 23:50.20 | Verxion | antgel: heheheh |
| 23:50.25 | Verxion | jim: truly - yes! :) |
| 23:50.27 | tidalih | Hello, I have a debian server with 2GB of ram but it is not noticing it, how do I fix this problem? |
| 23:50.40 | jim | Verxion: you ever knew karl asha? |
| 23:50.41 | azeem | Verxion: well, look at FAI if you don't want to get your hands dirty |
| 23:50.42 | Gnea | tidalih: what kernel? |
| 23:50.43 | Verxion | "Starting MTA:" its taking a while |
| 23:50.49 | landslide | antgel: ok... under windows our network has syd.companyname.com as the dns suffix... is this something relevant under linux? |
| 23:50.51 | jim | mister blackdown? |
| 23:50.52 | Verxion | jim: Did I eve know him? rofl. hell yeah |
| 23:50.55 | tidalih | Linux debian 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 23:50.55 | tidalih | Linux debian 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 23:51.05 | jim | ever knew enOne? |
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| 23:51.26 | Verxion | jim: Well, yes. His crowning achievement imho was ftp.blackdown.org (but it isn't registered anymore) |
| 23:51.34 | landslide | so if my linux box's host name is syddev03 should i specify the hostname as 'syddev03.syd.company.com' |
| 23:51.35 | Verxion | jim: Yeah, I knew enOne |
| 23:51.37 | antgel | landslide: let's not go lateral. you need to configure the dhcp client to update your dns server |
| 23:51.40 | tidalih | Gnea any suggestions/help? |
| 23:51.41 | jim | that would be me |
| 23:51.46 | Verxion | jim: Ahh, heh |
| 23:51.49 | Verxion | cool, nice to see ya |
| 23:51.54 | punkideas | rohal: are you specifying a filesystem? |
| 23:51.59 | Verxion | jim: I sortof got married and dropped off the face of the earth |
| 23:52.01 | landslide | antgel: ok i see.. that at least points me in the right direction. |
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| 23:52.14 | Verxion | jim: I have a kid now too - just turned a year old on Sunday |
| 23:52.15 | jim | sorta married? :) |
| 23:52.19 | DocDoom | hello:-) |
| 23:52.21 | jim | wow! |
| 23:52.23 | Verxion | yeah |
| 23:52.24 | Verxion | :) |
| 23:52.25 | jim | congratulations!@ |
| 23:52.25 | jim | congratulations!@ |
| 23:52.28 | antgel | landslide: e.g. send fqdn.fqdn "wakeman.wayforth.local."; |
| 23:52.28 | antgel | send fqdn.encoded on; |
| 23:52.28 | antgel | send fqdn.server-update on; |
| 23:52.28 | antgel | send fqdn.encoded on; |
| 23:52.28 | antgel | send fqdn.server-update on; |
| 23:52.29 | Verxion | thank ye thank ye! |
| 23:52.37 | tidalih | Gnea hey |
| 23:52.45 | antgel | landslide: nb you need dhclient version 3 |
| 23:52.45 | Verxion | hrm, not a good sign: "spurious 8259A interrupt: IRQ7." |
| 23:52.46 | tidalih | .. someone help me with my memory problem? heh |
| 23:52.48 | jim | I'd have a cigar except it would hurt me :P |
| 23:52.48 | jim | I'd have a cigar except it would hurt me :P |
| 23:53.00 | antgel | Verxion: from memory, that's nothing serious |
| 23:53.01 | Verxion | jim: hehehe. Do you remember ftp.blackdown.org ? |
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| 23:53.12 | jim | and warez.blackdown.org |
| 23:53.18 | DocDoom | this might be a strange question, but how do i install X? iwe tried apt-get install xorg, apt-cache serach xorg etc etc but still no go.. what have i overlooked? |
| 23:53.24 | jim | I recall when he regd the domain |
| 23:53.32 | lyy | on sarge, how do i add sarge to support utf8? |
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| 23:53.49 | dondelelcaro | DocDoom: if you're running stable, apt-get install xserver-xfree86; testing or unstable, apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 23:53.51 | Gnea | tidalih: try 2.6.8 |
| 23:53.52 | Verxion | jim: He registered it as: 127.0.0.1 |
| 23:53.54 | antgel | DocDoom: the documentation. aptitude install x-window-system(-core) |
| 23:53.54 | antgel | DocDoom: the documentation. aptitude install x-window-system(-core) |
| 23:53.57 | lyy | how do i extend sarge's file system to utf8? |
| 23:54.00 | tidalih | can I pm you Gnea? |
| 23:54.02 | jim | oh :) that and warez |
| 23:54.04 | Verxion | jim: I have never EVER had so much fun in my life as I did with that domain |
| 23:54.04 | Gnea | tidalih: no |
| 23:54.07 | DocDoom | ahh fanx il try that |
| 23:54.07 | tidalih | ive been trying this all day :/ |
| 23:54.07 | tidalih | ive been trying this all day :/ |
| 23:54.08 | Verxion | jim: Yup. :) |
| 23:54.10 | tidalih | please? |
| 23:54.11 | tidalih | heh |
| 23:54.14 | Verxion | warez.blackdown.org indeed |
| 23:54.14 | Verxion | warez.blackdown.org indeed |
| 23:54.18 | tidalih | I am wiling to pay... |
| 23:54.22 | tidalih | if someone can help me |
| 23:54.24 | tidalih | get this working |
| 23:54.28 | Gnea | tidalih: try 2.6.8 - that should catch the 2 gigs. if not, you might need to recompile |
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| 23:54.31 | Gnea | hrm |
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| 23:54.53 | lyy | does sarge support utf8? |
| 23:55.01 | DocDoom | dondelecare: just get a packet old or missing |
| 23:55.02 | Lee__ | !tell lyy about utf-8 |
| 23:55.02 | Lee__ | !tell lyy about utf-8 |
| 23:55.09 | DocDoom | im running testing |
| 23:55.15 | ulitz | is it possible to get packages of kernel image 2.6.12 or higher from the official mirrors? |
| 23:55.27 | rohal | punkideas: mount +w /dev/hda9 /mnt/Misc/ it didnt mount at all?? |
| 23:55.33 | Guerin | ulitz: yes, in testing or unstable - linux-image-* |
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| 23:55.46 | punkideas | rohal: what was the error? |
| 23:55.58 | landslide | antgel: must? |
| 23:56.04 | ulitz | Guerin: I searched for kernel-image |
| 23:56.30 | jim | Verxion: so I've been playing with several incarnations of ArsDigita Community System... ArsDigita went away, but before that happened, a coupla folks ported the (already GPL from inception) acs toolkit from oracle to (oracle or postgres) |
| 23:56.40 | punkideas | ulitz: you can get newer ones from kernel.org, it's not too hard to get working |
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| 23:56.41 | ulitz | thanks guerin |
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| 23:56.46 | antgel | landslide: must what? |
| 23:56.54 | ulitz | punkideas.. I know.. just lazy |
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| 23:57.01 | landslide | must have dhclient 3? i can't even tell which version i have. |
| 23:57.01 | landslide | must have dhclient 3? i can't even tell which version i have. |
| 23:57.01 | Verxion | jim: Interesting. yeah, I used to post a few things there now and again (years ago though) |
| 23:57.08 | rohal | punkideas: mount -t vfat -w /dev/hda9 /mnt/Misc this worked but still no write permission... |
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| 23:57.17 | antgel | landslide: yes. are you new to debian? if so, /msg dpkg grounding |
| 23:57.21 | Miesco | How do I kill a TTY? |
| 23:57.21 | Miesco | How do I kill a TTY? |
| 23:57.32 | Guerin | !tell rohal about vfatrw |
| 23:57.37 | punkideas | rohal: what version of debian? |
| 23:57.41 | jim | Miesco: use a ttykiller |
| 23:57.43 | antgel | Miesco: doesn't make sense. kill the process running in the shell |
| 23:57.55 | Miesco | I want to kill everything on pts/2 |
| 23:58.04 | Verxion | hrm |
| 23:58.04 | Verxion | hrm |
| 23:58.05 | antgel | Miesco: man kill |
| 23:58.05 | antgel | Miesco: man kill |
| 23:58.08 | Verxion | I just don't get this |
| 23:58.13 | Verxion | the network is configured perfectly |
| 23:58.13 | Verxion | the network is configured perfectly |
| 23:58.15 | jim | what part |
| 23:58.16 | Verxion | but it isn't working |
| 23:58.23 | antgel | ooh, man kill is another of those "funny man half-jokes" |
| 23:58.23 | jim | hmm |
| 23:58.24 | jim | hmm |
| 23:58.25 | Drakh | it's ok to man kill, but don't kill a man |
| 23:58.27 | jim | maybe I can help |
| 23:58.29 | Miesco | Can you kill everything on pts/2 with a command? |
| 23:58.35 | dondelelcaro | Miesco: use slay |
| 23:58.39 | antgel | Miesco: yes. man |
| 23:58.40 | Verxion | jim: I don't have an lo - did they take that out on newer distros? |
| 23:58.42 | rohal | Guerin: k thanks |
| 23:58.51 | Drakh | kill -9 man = criminal offense |
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| 23:59.03 | landslide | antgel: dhclient --version doesn't report a version, nor does apt-cache showpkg dhclient. |
| 23:59.05 | jim | Verxion: no, lo should be there... see if ifup lo brings it up |
| 23:59.05 | jim | Verxion: no, lo should be there... see if ifup lo brings it up |
| 23:59.18 | dondelelcaro | kill -ILL man |
| 23:59.26 | Verxion | there it is |
| 23:59.36 | Verxion | I can ping localhost now |
| 23:59.38 | dondelelcaro | kill with the ill slaughtering force. |
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| 23:59.45 | antgel | landslide: barking up wrong tree. dpkg -l dhcp* |
| 23:59.54 | jim | Verxion: ok, for reference... the config file is /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:59.56 | punkideas | rohal: have you checked the permissions on the drive? |
| 23:59.58 | Verxion | I can ping my given IP |
