| 00:00.08 | Verxion | but I can't ping my gateway |
| 00:00.11 | Guerin | kill --grue man |
| 00:00.12 | Verxion | interesting |
| 00:00.17 | bushito | if my PC shutdowns while linux is active is it a change to make an internal error like in windows with the bluescreens?? |
| 00:00.21 | antgel | dondelelcaro: when you said use slay, i thought you were joining in the dry sarcasm thing :) |
| 00:00.24 | Verxion | ahhhh |
| 00:00.28 | Verxion | it got the cards backwards |
| 00:00.29 | Verxion | rofl |
| 00:00.29 | Verxion | rofl |
| 00:00.39 | jim | oh, hmm :) |
| 00:00.39 | Verxion | it asked me during the install but then reversed them when I rebooted |
| 00:00.42 | jim | same kind? |
| 00:00.46 | Verxion | nope |
| 00:00.46 | Verxion | nope |
| 00:00.49 | Verxion | one is gigabit |
| 00:00.50 | jim | weird |
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| 00:00.57 | Verxion | the other is the semi famous tulip |
| 00:01.01 | Verxion | I so love my tulip cards |
| 00:01.10 | gaasfet | need help with importing gpg key |
| 00:01.10 | rohal | punkideas: trying to do it through fstab as told by Guerin....hope it works |
| 00:01.11 | Verxion | (I bought a ton of the netgear incarnations) |
| 00:01.11 | Verxion | (I bought a ton of the netgear incarnations) |
| 00:01.17 | landslide | antgel: but that's the dhcp server.... |
| 00:01.37 | antgel | landslide: look again |
| 00:01.49 | Verxion | jim: Did you know that gentoo doesn't install vi by default? |
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| 00:02.08 | antgel | landslide: did you put the * at the end of the line? |
| 00:02.16 | punkideas | rohal: well, I g2g, good luck with that |
| 00:02.19 | landslide | doh. |
| 00:02.40 | antgel | Verxion: that is unbelivable. i was always told to learn vi as it will always be there |
| 00:02.44 | jim | no :) well, I think gentoo is a reaction to the debian thing of not compiling every package for every subarch |
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| 00:02.52 | rohal | punkideas:k bye...thanks anyway |
| 00:02.52 | Verxion | antgel: I was told the same |
| 00:02.57 | Verxion | they seem to worship nano |
| 00:02.58 | Verxion | :( |
| 00:02.58 | landslide | ok, i got it now. |
| 00:03.16 | landslide | god only know what version i had installed before.. I think the package was dhclient. |
| 00:03.16 | jim | well nano is really small |
| 00:03.16 | jim | well nano is really small |
| 00:03.19 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*; it's not like Debian installs vi by default either |
| 00:03.24 | Verxion | jim: Hence the name. :) |
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| 00:03.29 | JustI | hi |
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| 00:03.37 | antgel | dondelelcaro: it does. doesn't install vim |
| 00:03.37 | JustI | [root@zeus squid-2.5.STABLE11]# squid |
| 00:03.38 | Verxion | jim: vi -*USED*- to be really small. And it has NO EXCUSE not to be anymore |
| 00:03.38 | Verxion | jim: vi -*USED*- to be really small. And it has NO EXCUSE not to be anymore |
| 00:03.38 | JustI | FATAL: Could not determine fully qualified hostname. Please set 'visible_hostname' |
| 00:03.38 | JustI | Squid Cache (Version 2.4.STABLE6): Terminated abnormally. |
| 00:03.38 | JustI | CPU Usage: 0.010 seconds = 0.010 user + 0.000 sys |
| 00:03.38 | JustI | Maximum Resident Size: 0 KB |
| 00:03.38 | JustI | FATAL: Could not determine fully qualified hostname. Please set 'visible_hostname' |
| 00:03.38 | JustI | Squid Cache (Version 2.4.STABLE6): Terminated abnormally. |
| 00:03.38 | JustI | CPU Usage: 0.010 seconds = 0.010 user + 0.000 sys |
| 00:03.38 | JustI | Maximum Resident Size: 0 KB |
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| 00:03.50 | Guerin | !hurt JustI |
| 00:03.51 | Verxion | jim: They should still have a tiny vi and then the correspondingly large vim |
| 00:03.51 | JustI | [root@zeus squid-2.5.STABLE11]# |
| 00:03.51 | JustI | [root@zeus squid-2.5.STABLE11]# |
| 00:03.58 | dondelelcaro | JustI: stop pasting here. |
| 00:04.02 | JustI | hi |
| 00:04.14 | jim | agreed |
| 00:04.18 | JustI | i dont know wtf with squid |
| 00:04.34 | dondelelcaro | antgel: no, in certain configurations vi may be installed, but an editor is not Essential: Yes, therefor it's not installed by "default" |
| 00:04.38 | Guerin | JustI: so why are you not reading the documentation for it? |
| 00:04.46 | jim | except I never got into vi myself |
| 00:04.47 | JustI | im readint mtf |
| 00:04.49 | JustI | reading |
| 00:04.49 | JustI | reading |
| 00:04.53 | Verxion | jim: emacs guy? |
| 00:04.54 | landslide | antgel: ok got it installed and added the fqdn.fqdn line, seemed to work fine |
| 00:05.04 | landslide | i just need to get our remote sites to test nwo. |
| 00:05.07 | JustI | but always the same |
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| 00:05.15 | Verxion | jim: Its really weird for me. I code in emacs. Any tiny text edits (like config files) I do in vi |
| 00:05.17 | Guerin | JustI: #squid |
| 00:05.25 | JustI | ok |
| 00:05.35 | Miesco | I looked at man kill, It didn't tell me how to kill everything on a TTY |
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| 00:05.39 | jim | well emacs when I need its features and lots of other times too (I'm kinda used to it) |
| 00:05.39 | jim | well emacs when I need its features and lots of other times too (I'm kinda used to it) |
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| 00:06.04 | Verxion | jim: From a console or ssh session I pretty much exclusively use vi |
| 00:06.04 | jim | Verxion: that's what's recommended too, by most adminny folks... |
| 00:06.06 | Verxion | my brain is just odd |
| 00:06.07 | romulo | is gstreamer broken? |
| 00:06.07 | romulo | is gstreamer broken? |
| 00:06.23 | antgel | dondelelcaro: as i hit return i knew i wouldn't be correct. however, my idea of a basic install is not selecting packages at the end of d-i. vi is available at this point. when could it _not_ be? |
| 00:06.40 | Verxion | so it says "Testing apt sources...\n0% [Waiting for headers]" |
| 00:06.45 | jim | one thing I like emacs for is the shell thing... I like running psql in an emacs shell |
| 00:06.52 | Verxion | there it goes |
| 00:06.56 | dondelelcaro | antgel: when you're doing an install using debootstrap, FE. |
| 00:06.57 | antgel | landslide: good work. you have just benefitted from a good hour that i fucking wasted getting such a tiny thing to work :) |
| 00:07.10 | shale | i installed debian from CD but now i'm trying to apt-get but only the deb cdroms are listed in sources.list |
| 00:07.11 | jim | Verxion: swift kick to the router? :) |
| 00:07.12 | Verxion | jim: heheh, that's cool. I should try that more - I never got into the emacs shell so much |
| 00:07.12 | landslide | antgel: and I MUCH appreciate your help |
| 00:07.12 | landslide | antgel: and I MUCH appreciate your help |
| 00:07.13 | shale | what do i add in there? |
| 00:07.22 | Verxion | jim: hehe, well, this new debian box will be replacing the router |
| 00:07.24 | abrotman | shale: apt-setup |
| 00:07.25 | landslide | all i have to do now is remove the localhost.localdomain from /ets/hosts? |
| 00:07.25 | landslide | all i have to do now is remove the localhost.localdomain from /ets/hosts? |
| 00:07.32 | abrotman | why would you do that ? |
| 00:07.35 | antgel | dondelelcaro: understood. interesting - one forgets how flexible it is |
| 00:07.39 | shale | thanks abrotman |
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| 00:07.43 | Verxion | jim: I don't want to upset the router, I was planning on using it until I replaced it. :) |
| 00:07.51 | dondelelcaro | antgel: but yeah, you do have to try a bit not to get an editor by default. |
| 00:07.52 | jim | Verxion: it would be nice if it gave you a bit more confidence than it's presently doing |
| 00:08.02 | Verxion | heh |
| 00:08.03 | Verxion | yeah |
| 00:08.04 | antgel | landslide: yep just have 127.0.0.1 localhost <hostname> |
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| 00:08.26 | jim | having said that, I've been runnign debian routers for years and years |
| 00:08.29 | Verxion | jim: ok, so I am at the "Debian software selection" window. What I used to do was unselect everything and then just apt-get what I wanted. Is that still allowed? |
| 00:08.39 | jim | sure |
| 00:08.43 | Verxion | cool |
| 00:08.50 | abrotman | antgel: he said remove it |
| 00:08.58 | Verxion | eek |
| 00:09.02 | Verxion | billions of 404's |
| 00:09.04 | jim | for a router, that would be ideal... |
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| 00:09.11 | jim | when doing what? |
| 00:09.16 | Verxion | maybe I chose a bad mirror. . . |
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| 00:09.18 | landslide | now hostname -f shows 'localhost' |
| 00:09.18 | jim | apt-getting something? |
| 00:09.18 | landslide | now hostname -f shows 'localhost' |
| 00:09.18 | jim | apt-getting something? |
| 00:09.24 | ZinnKilla | Hi :) |
| 00:09.25 | jim | try apt-get update |
| 00:09.28 | Verxion | jim: Yeah, it says (for example: |
| 00:09.28 | Verxion | jim: Yeah, it says (for example: |
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| 00:09.35 | antgel | abrotman: *nod* |
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| 00:09.48 | Verxion | Err http://mirrors.engr.arizona.edu stable/main liblwres1 1:9.2.4-1 404 Not Found |
| 00:10.02 | Verxion | so I assume it was TRYING to install liblwres1 and failed |
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| 00:10.06 | Verxion | because the package wasn't there |
| 00:10.08 | tidalih | hm |
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| 00:10.10 | tidalih | where is the |
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| 00:10.18 | tidalih | debian grub boot loader config by default? |
| 00:10.19 | DocDoom | ran into some trubbel, the installprogram wants me to specify a video card's bus identifier.. any clues on what that might be? |
| 00:10.19 | DocDoom | ran into some trubbel, the installprogram wants me to specify a video card's bus identifier.. any clues on what that might be? |
| 00:10.24 | tidalih | i can't seem to find the boot loder config (grub) |
| 00:10.24 | Verxion | now some other things ARE downloading and installing |
| 00:10.24 | tidalih | i can't seem to find the boot loder config (grub) |
| 00:10.24 | Verxion | now some other things ARE downloading and installing |
| 00:10.36 | Verxion | tidalih: /boot/grub/grub.conf ? |
| 00:10.36 | abrotman | trouble |
| 00:10.37 | Guerin | Verxion: what branch are you trying to install? |
| 00:10.39 | Verxion | or something else? |
| 00:10.39 | Verxion | or something else? |
| 00:10.47 | antgel | DocDoom: usually blank |
| 00:10.49 | jim | ok, that means the package list isn't up to date so you would download that using apt-get update which pulls down a file per source in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:10.50 | abrotman | DocDoom: leave it blank |
| 00:10.56 | DocDoom | ok il try that:-) |
| 00:10.56 | ApTek | DocDoom: lspci should do it. But I don't think you usually need that if you only have one video card. |
| 00:11.01 | tidalih | hmmm can someone please tell me where the grub boot loader config file is? |
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| 00:11.05 | ZinnKilla | How do you install programs anyway? I am new to it so yeah, stupid question o_o |
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| 00:11.05 | ZinnKilla | How do you install programs anyway? I am new to it so yeah, stupid question o_o |
| 00:11.07 | tidalih | i cannot find it anywhere... |
| 00:11.13 | abrotman | DocDoom: no .. really .. leave it blank |
| 00:11.27 | thingfish | it's at /boot/grub/menu.1st |
| 00:11.28 | antgel | !tell ZinnKilla about grounding |
| 00:11.28 | antgel | !tell ZinnKilla about grounding |
| 00:11.32 | DocDoom | ok , it worked, i hope |
| 00:11.34 | Verxion | guerin: I am not. This is just what happened after I exited the "Debian software selection" window with nothing selected |
| 00:11.36 | dob1 | i don't know what i have to build/module on the kernel configuration to run an nfs server, someone know any guide for this ? i am looking on nfs howto but don't see this |
| 00:11.42 | Verxion | whois aptek |
| 00:11.42 | Verxion | whois aptek |
| 00:11.44 | DocDoom | well its not complaining anyway:-) |
| 00:11.53 | beardy | !tell ZinnKilla about reference |
| 00:11.55 | Verxion | ApTek: Are you who I think ye are? :) |
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| 00:12.05 | Verxion | looks like you are |
| 00:12.07 | jim | ZinnKilla: debian generally makes use of apt-get which downloads then (passes the buck to the dpkg program which) installs them |
| 00:12.32 | ApTek | Verxion: indeed |
| 00:12.39 | beardy | Or aptitude instead of apt-get. |
| 00:12.54 | Guerin | Verxion: it wants to be aptitude updated |
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| 00:12.58 | jim | soemone else from irc.blackdown.org/ |
| 00:12.58 | ZinnKilla | Oh...I'm stupid :D |
| 00:12.59 | jim | ? |
| 00:13.01 | rohal | can anyone tell me how to dock (system tray) an application in gnome...could not find a better room....:) |
| 00:13.01 | rohal | can anyone tell me how to dock (system tray) an application in gnome...could not find a better room....:) |
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| 00:13.12 | jim | ZinnKilla: no, you're just new |
| 00:13.25 | beardy | ZinnKilla: No, you just need to read the reference and use Debian a bit. |
| 00:13.25 | jim | gotta go |
| 00:13.25 | jim | gotta go |
| 00:13.27 | ratonn | I've specified domain.com as a local host in update-exim4.conf but when I send mail to user@domain.com I get "550 relay not permitted" |
| 00:13.33 | jim | Verxion: best of luck... |
| 00:13.33 | ratonn | ? |
| 00:13.38 | Verxion | jim: You too |
| 00:13.39 | Verxion | :) |
| 00:13.45 | ZinnKilla | Yeah, I just successfully installed it like 20 minutes ago |
| 00:13.47 | tidalih | Alright, I install debian with the option to install the grub boot loader.... but I can't find the config file for grub can someone tell me where it is located? |
| 00:13.47 | tidalih | Alright, I install debian with the option to install the grub boot loader.... but I can't find the config file for grub can someone tell me where it is located? |
| 00:13.59 | tidalih | please? |
| 00:14.06 | ratonn | tidalih: isn't it /boot/grub/menu.lst ? |
| 00:14.08 | beardy | tidalih: You were told. |
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| 00:14.38 | beardy | tidalih: Allthough, it was not adressed to you.. thingfish said "it's at /boot/grub/menu.1st" |
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| 00:15.10 | tidalih | hmm |
| 00:15.11 | tidalih | i dont think |
| 00:15.11 | tidalih | i dont think |
| 00:15.15 | tidalih | thats the config file for grub? |
| 00:15.19 | ZinnKilla | Well I gotta go, talk to y'all later! |
| 00:15.24 | ratonn | I've specified domain.com as a local host in update-exim4.conf but when I send mail to user@domain.com I get "550 relay not permitted" |
| 00:15.25 | ratonn | ? |
| 00:15.25 | ratonn | ? |
| 00:15.27 | Verxion | I thought it was /boot/grub/grub.conf |
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| 00:15.48 | antgel | dpkg, localdomain is a hack which you should really remove from /etc/hosts, or at the very leasst, move it to the right of 'localhost'. http://groups.google.co.uk/group/linux.debian.devel/browse_thread/thread/55eb94f315d023ed/749bf59c19a0b671?q=localhost.localdomain& |
| 00:15.48 | dpkg | antgel: okay |
| 00:15.48 | jim | or /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 00:15.49 | jim | or /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 00:15.49 | abrotman | hey .. have you guys noticed the bots ? |
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| 00:16.03 | antgel | abrotman: what bots? |
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| 00:16.10 | jim | dpkg: have you been noticed? |
| 00:16.10 | jim | dpkg: have you been noticed? |
| 00:16.16 | abrotman | dpkg: notice apt |
| 00:16.22 | beardy | Verxion: No such file. |
| 00:16.25 | Verxion | ok, I need to add some good sources to my sources.list file. My current ones don't even have irssi. :) |
| 00:16.30 | antgel | ratonn: did you run the update program? |
| 00:16.36 | tidalih | hmm |
| 00:16.43 | Verxion | bbiaf, the wife has phude ready |
| 00:16.45 | Verxion | I must go |
| 00:16.45 | Verxion | I must go |
| 00:16.46 | beardy | Verxion: What are you running? |
| 00:16.51 | bob2 | Verxion: sure they do |
| 00:16.53 | antgel | Verxion: irssi is in debian. what are you playing at? |
| 00:16.54 | bob2 | Verxion: irssi-text |
| 00:16.54 | bob2 | Verxion: irssi-text |
| 00:16.59 | bob2 | Verxion: assuming you have main enabled |
| 00:17.10 | Verxion | bob2: I hadn't done an apt-cache search yet |
| 00:17.14 | Verxion | irssi-text eh |
| 00:17.14 | Verxion | thanks |
| 00:17.15 | abrotman | Verxion: apt-cache search irssi |
| 00:17.16 | ratonn | antgel: yep, evne tried dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 00:17.23 | Verxion | abrotman: yupper. :) |
| 00:17.26 | balzac | hello |
| 00:17.34 | jim | he probably has the default settings having just installed (at least that's my story :) |
| 00:17.34 | balzac | i'm looking for a good download manager for linux |
| 00:17.43 | abrotman | gwget |
| 00:17.45 | abrotman | wget |
| 00:17.45 | abrotman | wget |
| 00:17.51 | balzac | something that can handle http and ftp |
| 00:17.58 | abrotman | i just gave you two |
| 00:18.03 | beardy | balzac: what abrotman said. |
| 00:18.04 | balzac | thanks |
| 00:18.04 | balzac | thanks |
| 00:18.17 | balzac | gwget = is that with an interface on it? |
| 00:18.22 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:18.28 | abrotman | !info gwget |
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| 00:18.34 | antgel | ratonn: is it in /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated? |
| 00:18.50 | ratonn | do dc_other_hostnames need to be in /etc/hosts for relay to work? |
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| 00:19.14 | antgel | ratonn: no, that's the point |
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| 00:19.50 | dpkg | gwget: (GNOME front-end for wget), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.96-1 (sid), Packaged size: 188 kB, Installed size: 1084 kB |
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| 00:20.23 | abrotman | dpkg: you're slow |
| 00:20.27 | antgel | how do i correct a spelling mistake in a factoid? |
| 00:20.36 | ratonn | ooops |
| 00:20.36 | ratonn | dumb dumb mistake |
| 00:20.41 | ratonn | separated with spaces instead of colons |
| 00:20.42 | ratonn | :P |
| 00:20.52 | antgel | !pal ratonn |
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| 00:20.58 | abrotman | dpkg: you're slow |
| 00:20.58 | antgel | how do i correct a spelling mistake in a factoid? |
| 00:20.58 | ratonn | ooops |
| 00:20.58 | ratonn | dumb dumb mistake |
| 00:20.58 | ratonn | separated with spaces instead of colons |
| 00:20.58 | ratonn | :P |
| 00:20.59 | antgel | !pal ratonn |
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| 00:21.23 | antgel | abrotman: you must know. you love all the bot-fu |
| 00:21.32 | abrotman | know ? |
| 00:21.38 | abrotman | antgel: oh .. which factoid ? |
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| 00:21.47 | antgel | localdomain |
| 00:21.52 | ratonn | sweet |
| 00:21.55 | antgel | s/leasst/least |
| 00:21.55 | ratonn | working |
| 00:21.55 | ratonn | working |
| 00:22.03 | abrotman | !localdomain =~ s/leasst/least/ |
| 00:22.03 | dpkg | abrotman: OK |
| 00:22.18 | antgel | !botfu |
| 00:22.19 | ratonn | < loves debian |
| 00:22.31 | stew | frontend for wget? wtf? |
| 00:22.38 | abrotman | stew: it's actually not too bad ;) |
| 00:22.42 | antgel | stew: it's a crazy world |
| 00:22.45 | abrotman | antgel: make sense ? |
| 00:22.45 | balzac | linux is the hot doodoo |
| 00:22.48 | gaasfet | help: |
| 00:22.48 | gaasfet | help: |
| 00:22.50 | gaasfet | gpgkeys: HKP fetch error: Connection refused |
| 00:22.50 | gaasfet | gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found. |
| 00:22.50 | gaasfet | gpg: Total number processed: 0 |
| 00:22.50 | gaasfet | gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found. |
| 00:22.50 | gaasfet | gpg: Total number processed: 0 |
| 00:22.52 | antgel | abrotman: you are such a girl! |
| 00:22.59 | antgel | abrotman: yep, all good thanks |
| 00:22.59 | abrotman | erm .. ok |
| 00:23.05 | stew | rxvt: frontend for wget |
| 00:23.15 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:23.33 | ratonn | only one issue remains |
| 00:23.34 | ratonn | sftp |
| 00:23.41 | antgel | stew: what's wrong with a tty? none of that fancy schamntzy graphical stuff :) |
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| 00:23.50 | ratonn | "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" |
| 00:23.50 | antgel | ratonn: you mean scp, i'm sure |
| 00:23.50 | abrotman | !tell N0S3 about root |
| 00:23.50 | abrotman | !tell N0S3 about root |
| 00:23.51 | abrotman | again |
| 00:23.52 | ratonn | oops |
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| 00:24.01 | stew | !graphical |
| 00:24.01 | dpkg | what do you mean graphical? Do you mean graphical as opposed to tactile or olafactory? |
| 00:24.01 | dpkg | what do you mean graphical? Do you mean graphical as opposed to tactile or olafactory? |
| 00:24.05 | ratonn | no, ftp over ssh != sftp? |
| 00:24.19 | ratonn | No further authentication methods available. |
| 00:24.30 | ratonn | SFTP21 error = #4. |
| 00:24.34 | ratonn | that's the error i get |
| 00:24.35 | Roxport | i need some help pls installing sarge. thanks. /msg if possible |
| 00:24.35 | antgel | ratonn: maybe. i just use scp as it works and assume that anything else is crap :) |
| 00:24.45 | ratonn | worked in woody |
| 00:24.45 | ratonn | worked in woody |
| 00:24.47 | antgel | Roxport: you'll be lucky. in here please |
| 00:24.49 | ratonn | dunno if i'm missing something |
| 00:24.50 | stew | !tell Roxport about ig |
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| 00:25.16 | Lewix | hi all |
| 00:25.26 | Roxport | ok |
| 00:26.50 | Roxport | i have instal manual and also aboutdebian.com but still having issues. |
| 00:27.32 | Lewix | I would like to buy a laptop and install a linux on it. I thought about debian, however I'm still a newbie. Do you think that it's ok for a beginning ? And any advise for which laptop should I buy ? (not expensive) |
| 00:27.35 | Roxport | how to tell if it's a RAM problem...while partitioning hard drive, system hangs, then resart computer and EIP errors, once after restart, issue linux command, PC rebooted. |
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| 00:27.56 | Roxport | while installing debian sarge, i mean on stand alone clone PC. |
| 00:28.00 | antgel | Lewix: debian is the nuts if you are willing to put in a little effort |
| 00:28.31 | antgel | Roxport: burn a memtest86 iso and use it |
| 00:28.37 | Roxport | ok thanks |
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| 00:29.34 | antgel | Lewix: i'm looking for a laptop myself. can't face commuting with "the beast" anymore, although it has done me proud (no brand, cheap as chips, still works but case falling to bits) |
| 00:29.39 | Roxport | but that is a package, right? how to burn it and run if no linux on pc yet? |
| 00:30.02 | jcurry | how can i make KMail not insert the "BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE" when signing a message? is it possible? is it a kmail option, or a gpg option, or what? help! |
| 00:30.09 | antgel | Roxport: use another machine if you have one. www.memtest86.org (i think) |
| 00:30.12 | magyar | i am looking for a utility that would properly "newline" linux txt files in windows |
| 00:30.22 | abrotman | !find unix2dos |
| 00:30.25 | antgel | magyar: unix2dos |
| 00:30.26 | abrotman | err |
| 00:30.32 | abrotman | no .. dos2unix |
| 00:30.34 | Roxport | ok |
| 00:30.37 | abrotman | whichever .. same package |
| 00:30.37 | abrotman | whichever .. same package |
| 00:30.59 | Roxport | .com |
| 00:31.02 | stew | !unix2dos |
| 00:31.02 | dpkg | [unix2dos] perl -pi -e 's/$/\015/;s/\n/\n\032/ if (eof);', or at http://www.bsd.org/dos2unix.html, or in the sysutils package in debian, or install the flip package, and use 'flip -m', or recode |
| 00:31.10 | abrotman | !info dostools |
| 00:31.11 | magyar | abrotman: i cant boot into linux, i moved the log files to windows an i can only work in windows for now |
| 00:31.11 | magyar | abrotman: i cant boot into linux, i moved the log files to windows an i can only work in windows for now |
| 00:31.23 | antgel | Roxport: i think there is a plus version now, not sure where to get it, called memtest86+ |
| 00:31.26 | abrotman | magyar: install gvim |
| 00:31.26 | stew | magyar: open them in wordpad |
| 00:31.28 | Roxport | yes |
| 00:31.38 | Roxport | 3.2 rel and 3.1a rel |
| 00:32.01 | DocDoom | ok, now i have Xwin installed, but how do i get to be the one used? |
| 00:32.07 | magyar | stew: thanks |
| 00:32.12 | Roxport | so i can burn that, stick in linux target pc and it should execute memtest, standalone? |
| 00:32.14 | abrotman | DocDoom: what? |
| 00:32.18 | antgel | DocDoom: you need to find a dominatrix |
| 00:32.18 | antgel | DocDoom: you need to find a dominatrix |
| 00:32.19 | Roxport | CD-ROM i mean |
| 00:32.27 | antgel | Roxport: *nod* |
| 00:32.29 | DocDoom | a what? |
| 00:32.42 | DocDoom | ahh yes sorry..lol |
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| 00:33.01 | DocDoom | how do i get debian to use KDE when i start x? |
| 00:33.10 | abrotman | DocDoom: apt-get install kde kdm |
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| 00:33.46 | DocDoom | and it will automaticly be used when i start X? |
| 00:33.47 | antgel | DocDoom: ask abrotman. he loves kde. :P |
| 00:33.48 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'unix2dos' (3 of 4): (/usr/bin/unix2dos) in utils/sysutils ;; (/usr/share/doc/gmsh/utils/misc/{unix2dos.awk|unix2dos.bash}) in math/gmsh ;; (/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kdevelop/reference/C/PROBLEMS/unix2dos.c, /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kdevelop/reference/C/CONTRIB/SNIP/unix2dos.c) in devel/c-cpp-reference. |
| 00:34.00 | antgel | dpkg: hooray |
| 00:34.31 | Lewix | antgel: "the beast" ? |
| 00:34.53 | abrotman | dpkg: you're getting very slow |
| 00:34.53 | Lewix | antgel: finally, do you advise me debian ? |
| 00:34.53 | Lewix | antgel: finally, do you advise me debian ? |
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| 00:35.29 | antgel | Lewix: yeah. it's a good enough machine, but it's pretty heavy and it's doing my back no good. my back is already fucked from spenging all day in front of a computer |
| 00:35.43 | thingfish | man, mine too. |
| 00:36.19 | antgel | Lewix: yeah if you are willing to learn. there is debian-laptop mailing list. |
| 00:36.51 | magyar | i have an asus board, asus released an update to the bios and xorg is broken now. I have the good X.log and the bad X.log. What should i do? |
| 00:37.01 | antgel | thingfish: i had physio for a couple of years. neck, shoulders, back. fucking muscle spasm CITY. not i'm using an osteopath as i felt the physio was too gentle |
| 00:37.01 | cheal | DocDoom: as long as kdm starts |
| 00:37.01 | cheal | DocDoom: as long as kdm starts |
| 00:37.02 | Lewix | antgel: Ok! :0 it's decided i will download debian but now I hae to choose a laptop :/ |
| 00:37.20 | thingfish | antgel: so what do you do? |
| 00:37.34 | antgel | thingfish: s/not/now |
| 00:37.46 | thingfish | ah |
| 00:38.00 | DocDoom | ok |
| 00:38.22 | thingfish | antgel: car wreck? |
| 00:38.43 | antgel | thingfish: i take regular breaks. i stretch. sit properly. it will get better, but as slowly as it came and it's easy to forget and let the posture go downhill |
| 00:38.47 | thingfish | or just sitting in front of the computer all day for months on end. |
| 00:38.58 | thingfish | hehe boy don't I know. |
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| 00:39.18 | antgel | thingfish: there is a _great_ package for us afflicted. you know workrave? |
| 00:39.33 | thingfish | no, I don't, sounds interesting though. |
| 00:40.11 | antgel | i wold recommend it to anyone who uses a computer much. tells you when to take breaks, even give exercise idea etc. |
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| 00:40.22 | thingfish | yeah, I'm seeing that. |
| 00:40.29 | thingfish | cool |
| 00:41.30 | antgel | Lewix: you may wish to post to debian-laptop before you buy. nb laptops can traditionally be a little harder than desktops to setup with debian, but once it's setup you should be away. you might wish to compile a kernel to get softwware suspend 2 support, things like that. |
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| 00:42.13 | ozatomic | when using tar is there a way to only extract a certain foler from the archive? |
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| 00:43.33 | dondelelcaro | ozatomic: yes. |
| 00:44.24 | Lewix | antgel: can you give me the link of debian-laptop please, |
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| 00:44.49 | abrotman | lists.debian.org |
| 00:44.50 | antgel | Lewix: http://lists.debian.org. also /msg dpkg grounding |
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| 00:44.58 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 00:44.58 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 00:44.58 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
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| 00:45.47 | dsotm | im trying to force a broken package to remove/purge but apt wont let me because the script keeps failing, any help? |
| 00:45.49 | Lewix | antgel: And by the way, why is debian better than others distributions ? |
| 00:46.03 | abrotman | dsotm: why does the script fail ? |
| 00:46.06 | abrotman | !why debian |
| 00:46.07 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
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| 00:46.37 | dsotm | abrotman : one of the rc scripts fails on a stop, but i checked all the ones i could find and they look like they should handle stop properly |
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| 00:46.52 | abrotman | dsotm: could you be more vague ? |
| 00:47.08 | dsotm | abrotman : the thingy wont turn off so i cant get it out |
| 00:47.10 | abrotman | what package . which script .. fails how .. .. important details :) |
| 00:47.12 | antgel | Lewix: big question. freedom. power. doesn't get in the way. smug value. search the web for more. |
| 00:47.12 | antgel | Lewix: big question. freedom. power. doesn't get in the way. smug value. search the web for more. |
| 00:47.28 | abrotman | antgel: you're smug ? |
| 00:47.28 | abrotman | antgel: you're smug ? |
| 00:47.38 | dsotm | abrotman apcd, and let me get hte rest |
| 00:48.04 | antgel | abrotman: smug as can be through my depression. :) |
| 00:48.14 | abrotman | antgel: it's the lack of lettuce in your diet |
| 00:48.18 | dsotm | abrotman : apcdinvoke-rc.d: initscript apcd, action "stop" failed. |
| 00:48.35 | thingfish | lettuce is actually low nutrition. you need kale or cabbage or turnip greens. |
| 00:48.36 | antgel | abrotman: i hear it lacks those crucial vitamins, water and er, water |
| 00:48.42 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:48.47 | abrotman | thingfish: it's a joke! |
| 00:48.53 | antgel | thingfish: you know the score. DOWN WITH ICEBERG! |
| 00:48.54 | thingfish | I know hehe |
| 00:48.54 | thingfish | I know hehe |
| 00:49.15 | abrotman | dsotm: edit the script .. comment that line ? |
| 00:49.17 | thingfish | all it's good for is bowling. |
| 00:49.24 | antgel | www.boycotticeberg.org |
| 00:49.29 | dsotm | abrotman : id be more than happy to if i knew which to edit |
| 00:49.35 | abrotman | dsotm: erm .. fix either the removal sscript .. or the init script |
| 00:49.42 | thingfish | I like butter lettuce. |
| 00:49.44 | antgel | thingfish: all it's good for is lining the pockets of rich sandwich makers |
| 00:49.44 | antgel | thingfish: all it's good for is lining the pockets of rich sandwich makers |
| 00:49.49 | dsotm | abrotman : i checked all the scripts in the rcX directories, they all appear to work |
| 00:49.49 | thingfish | I agree. |
| 00:49.58 | thingfish | it's cellulose and water. |
| 00:49.59 | abrotman | dsotm: in stable ? |
| 00:50.00 | abrotman | dsotm: in stable ? |
| 00:50.04 | dsotm | abrotman : where can i find the removal script |
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| 00:50.20 | antgel | thingfish: did you try workrave? are you out of your chair doing your star jumps or whatever? |
| 00:50.26 | abrotman | dsotm: you checked /etc/init.d/apcd ? |
| 00:50.28 | thingfish | hehe hell no |
| 00:50.28 | thingfish | hehe hell no |
| 00:50.33 | dsotm | abrotman : no this is amd64 |
| 00:50.36 | dsotm | abrotman : yes |
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| 00:50.41 | dsotm | abrotman : calling that manually works |
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| 00:51.24 | abrotman | dsotm: nice .. uhm .. the script would be in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 00:51.33 | x5h3ll | how to set up keyboard with a different language? |
| 00:51.48 | nemontemi | anybody uses licq and knows if it has file transfer and auto-accept utilities? |
| 00:51.51 | abrotman | probably like apcd.prerm |
| 00:51.56 | dsotm | well theres a place ive never been |
| 00:51.56 | dsotm | ok |
| 00:52.03 | abrotman | antgel: that's not a real website! |
| 00:52.11 | antgel | bug question. what is the point of a wishlist (or indeed any) bug that is not debian-specific and is not forwarded to upstream? |
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| 00:52.19 | shai | hey, how do i do an ipsweep? |
| 00:52.22 | antgel | abrotman: not yet ;) |
| 00:52.25 | dsotm | abrotman : got it, hope this works |
| 00:52.30 | deadcat | shai: the f is that? |
| 00:52.37 | abrotman | antgel: it's still a wishlist bug |
| 00:53.05 | stew | antgel: i just filed a wishlist bug for instance asking for the README.Debian to be fixed and another to have the maintianer remove the {arch} subdirs from the .diff.gz |
| 00:53.09 | abrotman | and i suppose the debian maintainer could fix the bug in debian only .. |
| 00:53.15 | antgel | abrotman: what i mean is what is the point? if it's not debian-specific and not forwarded to upstream, is it not going to sit there for eternity |
| 00:53.23 | beardy | nemontemi: It probably has. Perhaps it has a Help function? Or perhaps it's documented? 'man program' /usr/share/doc/packagename |
| 00:53.24 | beardy | nemontemi: It probably has. Perhaps it has a Help function? Or perhaps it's documented? 'man program' /usr/share/doc/packagename |
| 00:53.35 | antgel | stew: that's debian-specific |
| 00:53.43 | abrotman | antgel: there are bugs in the BTS that relate to slink |
| 00:53.56 | abrotman | and for whatever reason .. noone removes them |
| 00:54.17 | stew | antgel: yeah i was typing that before i realized you were asking about non-debian specific |
| 00:54.18 | treyh0 | why does gnome show an empty debian menu when i know i don't have 'menu' installed? |
| 00:54.18 | treyh0 | why does gnome show an empty debian menu when i know i don't have 'menu' installed? |
| 00:54.28 | abrotman | antgel: still .. the maintainer could fix it just in debian |
| 00:54.43 | abrotman | because .. you need to have menu isntalled ? |
| 00:54.54 | dsotm | abrotman : thanks dude |
| 00:55.00 | abrotman | if you're running a GUI on debian .. and you don't use menu .. that's kind of silly |
| 00:55.04 | abrotman | dsotm: all sorted out ? |
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| 00:55.18 | abrotman | (unless your gui doesn't use menu) |
| 00:55.26 | dsotm | abrotman : yea, i had to remove basically the whole script but it removed find |
| 00:55.33 | dsotm | fine |
| 00:55.33 | dsotm | fine |
| 00:55.33 | treyh0 | abrotman: gnome already has a menu full of applications |
| 00:55.37 | treyh0 | why do i need a duplicate menu? |
| 00:55.44 | treyh0 | its a valid question that my family members ask me |
| 00:55.44 | treyh0 | its a valid question that my family members ask me |
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| 00:55.51 | cheal | treyh0: do you have menu-xdg? |
| 00:56.04 | treyh0 | they are like, "Why are there two menus? it's confusing and i don't know what to do" |
| 00:56.07 | abrotman | dsotm: ok .. hopefully it removed fine :) |
| 00:56.23 | abrotman | one is a gnome menu .. one is a debian menu . i odn't see the problem |
| 00:56.31 | cheal | heh |
| 00:56.33 | dsotm | abrotman : there wasnt much to the package, i can rip it out by hand if necessary |
| 00:56.42 | abrotman | dsotm: ah .. gotcha |
| 00:56.56 | treyh0 | abrotman: because not everyone knows the difference between gnome and debian, they just see it as "computer" |
| 00:56.59 | gravity | treyh0: There are two menu specifications. The old one for Debian and the new freedesktop.org one. |
| 00:57.07 | treyh0 | cheal: no i dont have menu-xdg installed |
| 00:57.12 | nemontemi | beardy its not installed in my system, but I got my question answered, thanx! |
| 00:57.21 | gravity | treyh0: menu-xdg handles the menu system. I think the two packages should be the same too, but I don't really know the details |
| 00:57.23 | cheal | treyh0: well maybe it's a bug, you could check the BTS |
| 00:57.30 | abrotman | treyh0: and there isn't a difference .. they both hold links to applications .. i don't see a problem .. really i don't |
| 00:57.36 | treyh0 | oh |
| 00:57.37 | gravity | Er... menu-xdg handles the new freedesktop.org menu system that is |
| 00:57.57 | abrotman | gravity: yeah .. could like .. make that Required ? :) |
| 00:58.01 | treyh0 | abrotman: i understand your point of view, i'm technical as well, just questioning it because the non-technical people in my family have an issue with it |
| 00:58.07 | cheal | abrotman: what about having each menu entry duplicated? does that sound useful? |
| 00:58.16 | abrotman | treyh0: smack them in the back of the head :) |
| 00:58.19 | gravity | Tempting :-) |
| 00:58.19 | abrotman | oh .. duplicated where? |
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| 00:58.30 | gravity | But then I'd have to work on menu, which I don't want to do. I have enough on my plate :-) |
| 00:58.33 | cheal | abrotman: just under the first entry |
| 00:58.33 | abrotman | like .. two Abiwords right next to each other ? |
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| 00:58.38 | abrotman | update-menus |
| 00:58.44 | gravity | No, that's a bug |
| 00:58.46 | abrotman | log out/in |
| 00:58.51 | cheal | gravity: there's something on your plate now? |
| 00:58.53 | abrotman | gravity: yeah .. but for some .. update-menus fixes |
| 00:58.57 | antgel | handy for users like my dad who is not the most accurate with the mouse |
| 00:59.04 | gravity | Not likely. Check the menu-xdg bug page |
| 00:59.07 | abrotman | antgel: get him a track ball |
| 00:59.09 | cheal | antgel: hahaha |
| 00:59.09 | cheal | antgel: hahaha |
| 00:59.10 | gravity | I have a local copy I made with the patch for it |
| 00:59.20 | gravity | I'm tempted to NMU it, but it doesn't solve the whole issue |
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| 00:59.51 | abrotman | i didn't get the double entries |
| 00:59.51 | abrotman | i didn't get the double entries |
| 00:59.57 | abrotman | but .. well .. i'm me! |
| 01:00.14 | cheal | abrotman: it was just a comparison |
| 01:00.25 | abrotman | cheal: you don't compare to me!!! |
| 01:00.43 | cheal | abrotman: I know, I have a dual personnality |
| 01:00.53 | abrotman | because you're french canadian! |
| 01:01.02 | cheal | hehehe good one |
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| 01:01.38 | treyh0 | cheal: to me, the entries are duplicated cause people can find application#1 in gnome menu(Applications) -> Office |
| 01:01.46 | treyh0 | then they can find it also in the Debian Menu |
| 01:01.57 | treyh0 | i like that the debian menu shows all apps, not just GNOME apps |
| 01:01.59 | gravity | Ah, that's a different issue |
| 01:02.08 | gravity | No good way around it |
| 01:02.11 | treyh0 | but the rest of the non technical community doesn't care about it since they could care less about gnome |
| 01:02.32 | abrotman | i'm still confused what the issue is :) |
| 01:02.39 | treyh0 | i saw in the /etc/gnome-vfs-2.0/vfolders/applications.template i can remove it |
| 01:03.06 | treyh0 | just wondering why that file isn't in 'menu' or 'menu-xdg' instead of 'gnome-panel-data' |
| 01:03.40 | treyh0 | abrotman: ask a person who only uses a computer to read email or write their resume ;) |
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| 01:03.55 | gravity | treyh0: Because gnome ships it. Therefore it's packged with gnome. |
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| 01:04.05 | calamari | ho |
| 01:04.08 | calamari | err.. hi ;) |
| 01:04.09 | treyh0 | gravity: ah, ok, strange but ok :) |
| 01:04.14 | gravity | treyh0: No. Sensible. |
| 01:04.14 | gravity | treyh0: No. Sensible. |
| 01:04.28 | gravity | treyh0: Normal users won't have a clue what that file is. Even I don't know what that file is. |
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| 01:04.34 | abrotman | treyh0: just tell them to ignore the debian menu ? |
| 01:04.39 | gravity | treyh0: So they don't care. All they care about is that their gnome works right. |
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| 01:05.21 | poh | I want to brink a particular interface up only if another is not up, is there a file to check and see what has been configured? |
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| 01:05.44 | cheal | just hack a little popup when you push on the menu, "Please ignore the Debian menu" :) |
| 01:05.44 | calamari | I'm trying to do apt-get build-dep wine, and it says: "Package mesa-common-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package. (...) However the following packages replace it: mesa-doc libgl1-mesa-dev"... but then later it fails with: "E: Package mesa-common-dev has no installation candidate". |
| 01:05.44 | calamari | I'm trying to do apt-get build-dep wine, and it says: "Package mesa-common-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package. (...) However the following packages replace it: mesa-doc libgl1-mesa-dev"... but then later it fails with: "E: Package mesa-common-dev has no installation candidate". |
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| 01:06.13 | calamari | I've installed both mesa-doc and libgl1-mesa-dev, but it did not help |
| 01:06.44 | calamari | any ideas what I'm doing wrong? |
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| 01:07.30 | gravity | calamari: Are you running some weird hybrid of etch and sid? Or sarge + sid? |
| 01:07.49 | calamari | gravity: ubuntu |
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| 01:07.55 | calamari | (breezy) |
| 01:07.58 | gravity | calamari: #ubuntu |
| 01:08.03 | bushito | ahh i am trying to mount in USB my external HDD what do i have to do?? |
| 01:08.03 | gravity | calamari: This is entirely the wrong channel |
| 01:08.03 | bushito | ahh i am trying to mount in USB my external HDD what do i have to do?? |
| 01:08.03 | gravity | calamari: This is entirely the wrong channel |
| 01:08.10 | abrotman | entirely! |
| 01:08.14 | abrotman | we sell eggs here |
| 01:08.14 | gravity | calamari: Your problem is not an issue in Debian |
| 01:08.14 | abrotman | we sell eggs here |
| 01:08.14 | gravity | calamari: Your problem is not an issue in Debian |
| 01:08.16 | cheal | completely! |
| 01:08.20 | abrotman | mostly gravity's eggs .. but eggs |
| 01:08.25 | calamari | gravity: I thought apt-get was a debian tool |
| 01:08.32 | resiak | bushito: /msg dpkg usb stogae |
| 01:08.34 | resiak | bushito: /msg dpkg usb storage |
| 01:08.36 | abrotman | calamari: but you're using ubuntu .. ask in #ubuntu |
| 01:08.37 | gravity | calamari: That's 100% orthogonal |
| 01:08.37 | gravity | calamari: That's 100% orthogonal |
| 01:08.47 | treyh0 | it is a debian tool but ubuntu are the responsible party |
| 01:08.51 | gravity | calamari: I can't help you because that's not a Debian problem. |
| 01:08.52 | calamari | so this is an error message that you have never seen before? |
| 01:09.05 | Guerin | jesusfuckingchrist |
| 01:09.09 | abrotman | calamari: ask in #ubuntu .. you've been told five times now |
| 01:09.11 | gravity | calamari: I vaguely understand the problem but I don't know how to find the solution because I don't run Ubuntu |
| 01:09.13 | Roxport | ! |
| 01:09.13 | Roxport | ! |
| 01:09.18 | resiak | Guerin: My /ignore list is growing very, very large |
| 01:09.18 | gravity | calamari: Do you understand this concept? |
| 01:09.18 | Guerin | calamari: just ask #ubuntu. |
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| 01:09.24 | Roxport | on a popscicle stick, no less... |
| 01:09.27 | calamari | you guys are super rude |
| 01:09.41 | abrotman | calamari: you're a chevy mechanic .. fix my ford |
| 01:09.45 | cheal | well, maybe we jesus isn't necessary |
| 01:09.45 | cheal | well, maybe we jesus isn't necessary |
| 01:09.45 | Guerin | calamari: we're not being rude; you're being stupid. |
| 01:09.46 | abrotman | get it ? |
| 01:09.50 | jstevens | calamari: We've all likely seen this message before. We just aren't familiar with the deps in ubuntu so we can't suggest anything. |
| 01:10.02 | jstevens | calamari: sorry |
| 01:10.10 | calamari | guerin: get over yourself |
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| 01:10.20 | Guerin | calamari: no, YOU get overYOURSELF. |
| 01:10.30 | fbi | dyslexics of the world untie! |
| 01:10.31 | calamari | okay, I can see this is some debian self love channel.. outta here |
| 01:10.37 | Guerin | calamari: you are not entitled to support in here unless you run debian. |
| 01:10.37 | Guerin | calamari: you are not entitled to support in here unless you run debian. |
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| 01:10.44 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:10.47 | Guerin | calamari: don't let the door hit you. |
| 01:10.53 | abrotman | wtf |
| 01:11.08 | thc | work sucks. |
| 01:11.10 | zybod | Where do I put the codecs for kaffine on a debian system? |
| 01:11.10 | zybod | Where do I put the codecs for kaffine on a debian system? |
| 01:11.15 | jstevens | that *was* pretty rude of us. |
| 01:11.17 | thc | there has to be a way to rig the lottery. |
| 01:11.17 | thc | there has to be a way to rig the lottery. |
| 01:11.26 | abrotman | jstevens: no it wasn't |
| 01:11.33 | scarynetworkguy | Wait wait. You mean that people who hang out in a channel called #debian like Debian, that's just wacky. |
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| 01:12.00 | scarynetworkguy | jstevens: What was rude about it? |
| 01:12.00 | thc | wacky tabacky? |
| 01:12.01 | thc | wacky tabacky? |
| 01:12.20 | abrotman | thc: not now .. this is serious! |
| 01:12.29 | thc | oh, ok. |
| 01:12.29 | thc | oh, ok. |
| 01:12.34 | beardy | scarynetworkguy: Not necesarily, but at least they hopefully doesn't ask <debian based> questions. But why would you be here if you donät like it? |
| 01:12.43 | jstevens | Nah, it just seems like we should politely say we don't run your distro and haven't experienced your specific situation. Please find a more appropriate venue. |
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| 01:12.55 | thc | i'll roll an after work spliff then while the girls are arguing. |
| 01:13.01 | abrotman | jstevens: that's how it started .. |
| 01:13.11 | fjkadfooo | :( I accidentally deleted my top Gnome panel... how do I restore original configuration? |
| 01:13.12 | abrotman | when people refuse .. and are stupid .. tough |
| 01:13.18 | gravity | I did do that |
| 01:13.35 | scarynetworkguy | beardy: apt-get install sense-of-humour. |
| 01:13.43 | cheal | calamari wasn't saying gravity was rude |
| 01:14.00 | Guerin | jstevens: it wouldn't have mattered how we sugar coated it |
| 01:14.05 | abrotman | who cares .. he's gone |
| 01:14.05 | abrotman | who cares .. he's gone |
| 01:14.14 | resiak | 02:13 calamari : I asked in #debian, but those guys are way rude |
| 01:14.15 | Guerin | some people simply think that they're entitled to support, here, now |
| 01:14.18 | abrotman | he's hopefully in the right channel getting the support he deserves |
| 01:14.20 | resiak | What a tard! |
| 01:14.20 | resiak | What a tard! |
| 01:14.21 | jstevens | Yeah, I know. It gets to gnaw at you when people come in here and ask about every single debian based distro under the sun. |
| 01:14.39 | beardy | scarynetworkguy: It's installed and working fine. But may need some translation or locales, or some themes installed. |
| 01:14.53 | zybod | hi would one of you point me in the direction of where to place the rp codecs for kaffine? |
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| 01:15.24 | gravity | Just out of curiosity (I don't know the answer) what are "rp codecs"? |
| 01:15.26 | abrotman | zybod: the easiest thing to do is grab the w32codecs package from marillat |
| 01:15.32 | abrotman | gravity: real player |
| 01:15.33 | zybod | real player |
| 01:15.33 | zybod | real player |
| 01:15.34 | Guerin | gravity: realplayer? |
| 01:15.34 | gravity | I always think of rp as being "reverse polish" |
| 01:15.35 | gravity | Aha |
| 01:15.37 | gravity | Gotcha. |
| 01:15.37 | gravity | Gotcha. |
| 01:15.49 | fjkadfooo | :( I accidentally deleted my top Gnome panel... how do I restore original configuration? |
| 01:15.58 | cheal | res publica :) |
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| 01:16.11 | cheal | real player codecs are definitely not res publica codecs |
| 01:16.13 | Guerin | fjkadfooo: #gnome irc.gnome.org |
| 01:16.17 | zybod | directory? pretty please |
| 01:16.19 | gravity | fjkadfooo: Do you have any panel? |
| 01:16.21 | tidalih | hey |
| 01:16.21 | tidalih | hey |
| 01:16.21 | gravity | Guerin: I've got it |
| 01:16.27 | tidalih | if my nic card isnt being detected |
| 01:16.30 | tidalih | how do I make debian find it? |
| 01:16.33 | tidalih | i installed a new kernel |
| 01:16.33 | tidalih | i installed a new kernel |
| 01:16.37 | tidalih | but the nic wasnt found |
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| 01:16.46 | Guerin | gravity: roger |
| 01:16.55 | fjkadfooo | gravity, yeah I have one panel on the bottom and I added the foot menu to it, but I want the top bar back. I had just finished putting a bunch of stuff on it too, they need to move that around ;( |
| 01:16.55 | fjkadfooo | gravity, yeah I have one panel on the bottom and I added the foot menu to it, but I want the top bar back. I had just finished putting a bunch of stuff on it too, they need to move that around ;( |
| 01:17.03 | fjkadfooo | but okay I'll go to the gnome chat. thanks for the help |
| 01:17.08 | abrotman | tidalih: did you compile your own kernel ? |
| 01:17.08 | gravity | fjkadfooo: Ok, you have to remake other panel from scratch |
| 01:17.08 | gravity | fjkadfooo: Ok, you have to remake other panel from scratch |
| 01:17.14 | gravity | fjkadfooo: I can tell you how though. It's easy |
| 01:17.29 | tidalih | yes |
| 01:17.31 | gravity | jstevens: Just right-click the panel you do have and select "New Panel" |
| 01:17.31 | tidalih | nic isnt found |
| 01:17.33 | tidalih | boot up fine |
| 01:17.33 | tidalih | boot up fine |
| 01:17.34 | gravity | fjkadfooo: ^ |
| 01:17.38 | tidalih | kudzu work for debian? |
| 01:17.39 | gravity | fjkadfooo: That was for you, sorry |
| 01:17.42 | gravity | tidalih: Try discover |
| 01:17.42 | gravity | tidalih: Try discover |
| 01:17.55 | gravity | fjkadfooo: You can drag the panel around using the middle mouse button |
| 01:18.05 | fjkadfooo | gravity, ok I have new panel but it's wrong size |
| 01:18.05 | gravity | fjkadfooo: You can also add stuff to it the normal way |
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| 01:18.17 | abrotman | tidalih: why did you compile your own kiernel ? |
| 01:18.22 | gravity | fjkadfooo: right click it and select "properites" |
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| 01:18.32 | gravity | fjkadfooo: That'll let you set those things |
| 01:18.41 | bushito | i did what dpkg told and got this error trying to acces, mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda, missing codepage or other error In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so..Please check that the disk is entered correctly. |
| 01:18.43 | fjkadfooo | OK, I'll play around with this. Thanks. |
| 01:18.49 | gravity | fjkadfooo: No problem |
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| 01:19.20 | zybod | who is marilat <sp> |
| 01:19.24 | abrotman | !marillat |
| 01:19.24 | dpkg | methinks marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt >= 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> |
| 01:19.31 | thc | bushito: it might help if you stated what you are trying to mount, and how you are mounting it. |
| 01:20.08 | bushito | thx, /msg dpkg usb storage |
| 01:20.16 | mhall | Alright, I am trying to configure a virtual server but the DNS record for it has not been repointed yet. So, on the client box, I edited /etc/hosts to point the hostname to the correct updated IP for the virtual server (that's not yet taken effect). But, after doing this, the client still does not seem to be connecting to the virtual server correctly. Now what? |
| 01:20.25 | bushito | thc, /msg dpkg usb storage |
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| 01:20.38 | bushito | thats what i did |
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| 01:21.46 | abrotman | mhall: errors ? |
| 01:21.46 | abrotman | mhall: errors ? |
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| 01:23.01 | mhall | abrotman: No that's the problem. It's connecting to the old IP. I tried it with telnet and it worked but of course I couldn't punch in the whole header needed to test the virtual directive. |
| 01:23.20 | abrotman | mhall: perhaps your app doesn't consult the hosts file ? |
| 01:23.27 | mhall | abrotman: But I did however get the proper root home page. It seems however that firefox has cached some improper DNS values and refuses to release them. |
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| 01:23.41 | mhall | abrotman: It has to contact the hosts file, this is set for libc by /etc/nsswitch.conf |
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| 01:24.02 | mhall | abrotman: I'm wondering what must be cleared to get firefox to behave. |
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| 01:24.12 | Guerin | mhall: don't you have to restart firefox? |
| 01:24.22 | abrotman | mhall: did you close firefox ? |
| 01:24.26 | abrotman | or try shift-reload ? |
| 01:25.22 | mhall | abrotman: Guerin : Tried restarting it. Still broken. |
| 01:25.31 | mhall | abrotman: Guerin : Trying Shift Reload now. |
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| 01:27.06 | mhall | Shift-Reload doesn't fix it either; neither does Ctrl-Reload. |
| 01:27.09 | mhall | This is bullshit. |
| 01:27.09 | mhall | This is bullshit. |
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| 01:27.17 | mhall | It works in plain Mozilla. |
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| 01:27.37 | treyh0 | rm -fr .mozilla |
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| 01:27.45 | mhall | And I know if I file a bug with the Firefox developers about their DNS RFC violation they'll tell me to go fuck myself. That's what they always say when I file bugs. |
| 01:27.48 | treyh0 | oops wrong window |
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| 01:28.15 | treyh0 | mhall: opera is free as in free beer now |
| 01:28.45 | mhall | This is one of those corner cases issues that's so rare I'll just sit on it for now. |
| 01:28.50 | Guerin | treyh0: that don't make it worth using |
| 01:28.58 | treyh0 | Guerin: i agree ;-) |
| 01:29.02 | mhall | I'll just have to wait a week to work on this until it starts working properly. |
| 01:29.27 | abrotman | mhall: odd ... they fix all my bugs :) |
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| 01:30.08 | nemo | tomato! |
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| 01:30.30 | mhall | abrotman: I happen to report more unusual ones, like weird shortcut optimizations that are bad (DNS / /etc/nsswitch.conf ignorance) or GUI widgets that don't follow the host OS interface conventions, etc. |
| 01:31.04 | mhall | abrotman: And rather than add config options for proper behavior or fix the problem they just usually tell me to sod off. |
| 01:31.16 | abrotman | mhall: i just file shit like "FF sucks .. you should all switch to skipstone" .. and they close it "fixed" |
| 01:31.23 | mhall | abrotman: Which is fine, it's their code, if they want to do it that way I can't really stop them. |
| 01:31.49 | mhall | abrotman: ! You must have found the funny developers. |
| 01:31.59 | mhall | abrotman: I only seem to find the mean ones. |
| 01:32.14 | mhall | nemo: It's probably the best open source app ever written. |
| 01:32.25 | mhall | Now I know that's going to start a war. |
| 01:32.29 | gravity | Heh |
| 01:32.48 | abrotman | mhall: hehe |
| 01:32.54 | nemo | mhall: *shrugs* it has some features I envy (mainly a few plugins), but then, opera does stuff I envy too. neither of them are my preferred browser though |
| 01:33.05 | abrotman | nemo: amaya? |
| 01:33.05 | gravity | I liked firefox a lot more when it felt fast |
| 01:33.09 | gravity | It doesn't do that anymore |
| 01:33.09 | gravity | It doesn't do that anymore |
| 01:33.11 | nemo | galeon |
| 01:33.14 | mhall | But honestly, when you look at how much better it is than the competing apps, how easy it is to get up and running, how many configurations it supports, and how well it performs, it's probably the best planned open source app I've come across. |
| 01:33.23 | abrotman | god .. apple.com sucks |
| 01:33.28 | cheal | gravity: when was that? |
| 01:33.35 | Guerin | abrotman: s/.com// |
| 01:33.42 | gravity | cheal: Back when everyone was comparing it to Mozilla 1.0/1.1 |
| 01:33.44 | nemo | mhall: I don't dispute that. it's also done wonderous things for promoting open source to teh masses |
| 01:33.48 | mhall | It was, like, the perfect app released to fill the perfect functionality gap in commercial software at the perfect time. |
| 01:33.51 | Verxion | can someone give me some good current default policy lines for iptables? |
| 01:33.54 | abrotman | Guerin: yeah .. that too |
| 01:33.57 | nemo | but as a pure product - a browser, it's functionally deficient for my taste |
| 01:34.00 | cheal | gravity: firefox existed in these days? |
| 01:34.09 | gravity | cheal: Sure! |
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| 01:34.13 | mhall | I won't say it's the best product on a technical level because it's probably not. |
| 01:34.16 | nemo | phoenix back then, I think |
| 01:34.20 | cheal | s/firefox/phoenix/firebirf |
| 01:34.21 | gravity | Yeah, I think so |
| 01:34.26 | abrotman | Guerin: and the award for the worst crap in technology goes to a) MS b) KDE c) Apple ? :) |
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| 01:34.27 | mhall | The goodness of firefox is largely political. |
| 01:34.31 | gravity | I think it was phoenix |
| 01:34.39 | mhall | abrotman: well definitely not KDE |
| 01:34.49 | Coweater | mhall: it's far from the best planned, but in it's defense it's a pretty complex app |
| 01:34.51 | mhall | abrotman: whatever it is about it that pisses you off can probably be reconfigured |
| 01:34.56 | cheal | gravity: ah, I didn't think it started before mozila 1.4 |
| 01:35.02 | mhall | Coweater: I don't mean on a code level. |
| 01:35.04 | abrotman | mhall: no .. it can't .. i've tried .. it's bad :) |
| 01:35.10 | mhall | Coweater: I mean on a political / social sense. |
| 01:35.22 | abrotman | Coweater: you missed a meal .. thecoolestcow was here earlier |
| 01:35.22 | abrotman | Coweater: you missed a meal .. thecoolestcow was here earlier |
| 01:35.23 | mhall | abrotman: You're likelier to configure it out of KDE thna you are MS or Apple. |
| 01:35.24 | cheal | mhall: you must mean branding |
| 01:35.40 | mhall | cheal: Somewhere in that arena. |
| 01:35.41 | abrotman | mhall: and i don't use any of the three? see a connection? :) |
| 01:35.52 | mhall | cheal: Perhaps, the marketing angle of the product. |
| 01:36.05 | mhall | cheal: Branding is a little different from what I am trying to mean. |
| 01:36.18 | cheal | mhall: ok, marketing |
| 01:36.36 | mhall | abrotman: Well all I can say is, I have my gripes with KDE but once I get it configured, it works very very well and I get a lot of work done very quickly. |
| 01:37.13 | mhall | abrotman: GNOME is sort of like VI and KDE is sort of like Emacs |
| 01:37.26 | abrotman | mhall: guess what .. i use vi :) |
| 01:37.27 | abrotman | !bloat |
| 01:37.28 | dpkg | "GCC is the only one [GNU Software] that I really care about. A number of them I hate with a passion; the Emacs editor is horrible, for example. While Linux is larger than Emacs, at least Linux has the excuse that it needs to be." -- Linus Torvalds (father of Linux), or see <emacs> or <emacs disease> |
| 01:37.28 | dpkg | "GCC is the only one [GNU Software] that I really care about. A number of them I hate with a passion; the Emacs editor is horrible, for example. While Linux is larger than Emacs, at least Linux has the excuse that it needs to be." -- Linus Torvalds (father of Linux), or see <emacs> or <emacs disease> |
| 01:37.40 | abrotman | bah .. fucking apple.com!!! |
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| 01:38.08 | mhall | Just because Linus wrote the kernel doesn't make him an authority on every other kind of software. |
| 01:38.16 | Guerin | mhall: gnome is not like vi |
| 01:38.30 | Guerin | mhall: that's so wrong in so many ways |
| 01:38.32 | gravity | More like vim |
| 01:38.40 | gravity | But even then... meh |
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| 01:38.45 | Guerin | vim with lots of broken automatica |
| 01:38.47 | gravity | Gnome is gnome |
| 01:38.57 | gravity | They work for me |
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| 01:39.10 | mhall | Frankly I don't care about how large KDE is. I have a huge system with tons of resources. I want to waste the machine's resources to avoid wasting my resources. |
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| 01:39.21 | mhall | VI wastes my resources to avoid wasting the machine's resources. |
| 01:39.25 | treyh0 | whats the problem everyone is free to choose |
| 01:39.50 | mhall | Fuck the machine. I don't care if I waste its resources most of the time. I just want my own productivity to be maximized. |
| 01:39.52 | scarynetworkguy | mhall: Now tell me how good it is. |
| 01:39.58 | abrotman | he says vi wastes resource s.. and he uses kde and emacs :) |
| 01:39.59 | treyh0 | mhall: exactly |
| 01:39.59 | treyh0 | mhall: exactly |
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| 01:40.14 | w00t | lol |
| 01:40.14 | w00t | lol |
| 01:40.17 | mhall | scarynetworkguy: I can still use a CLI editor, no problem. |
| 01:40.28 | tonsofpcs | mhall - then run VIm |
| 01:40.36 | mhall | scarynetworkguy: I'm talking about stuff that's within 2 SD of the mean for my situation. |
| 01:40.52 | tonsofpcs | mhall - oh and play XPlane if you wanna waste system resources |
| 01:40.52 | tonsofpcs | mhall - oh and play XPlane if you wanna waste system resources |
| 01:41.06 | mhall | abrotman: No, I said vi wastes my productivity. |
| 01:41.13 | abrotman | so you use .. edlin ? |
| 01:41.14 | treyh0 | heh |
| 01:41.17 | scarynetworkguy | mhall: It's just one of the many examples of why bloat sucks. :) |
| 01:41.18 | gravity | heh, ed |
| 01:41.24 | treyh0 | bloat rocks |
| 01:41.29 | mhall | abrotman: Which is a much more valuable resource than CPU cycles. |
| 01:41.29 | treyh0 | more fun stuff to play with |
| 01:41.38 | mhall | scarynetworkguy: That's why you have a lot of tools. |
| 01:41.46 | gravity | You know, you can use vi *inside* KDE |
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| 01:41.53 | mhall | scarynetworkguy: I'm not saying I never use anything besides KDE. |
| 01:41.54 | abrotman | mhall: if you say so |
| 01:41.55 | gravity | Why the fuck we are having this discussion, I don't know |
| 01:41.55 | gravity | Why the fuck we are having this discussion, I don't know |
| 01:42.11 | treyh0 | its like 2 flamewars got intertwined |
| 01:42.12 | mhall | scarynetworkguy: All I'm saying is, most of the time, it makes more sense for me to do so. |
| 01:42.17 | abrotman | gravity: to waste your productivity :) |
| 01:42.22 | scarynetworkguy | mhall: Who's talking about KDE? We were discussing vi vs emacs. |
| 01:42.36 | gravity | abrotman: I'm just waiting to commit the Xorg 7.0 sources. My hard drive is slow though, so don't mind me :-) |
| 01:42.45 | abrotman | heheh |
| 01:42.50 | mhall | scarynetworkguy: No somebody else brought that in because they didn't agree with my analogy. |
| 01:43.03 | BeBoo | Hmm, doesn't KDE have a session-manager like gnomes had GDM? |
| 01:43.04 | mhall | scarynetworkguy: It wasn't the main subject of what I'd been saying. |
| 01:43.04 | mhall | scarynetworkguy: It wasn't the main subject of what I'd been saying. |
| 01:43.13 | mhall | BeBoo: Uh, yeah it does. |
| 01:43.25 | zinx | GDM isn't a session manager |
| 01:43.30 | zinx | it's a display manager |
| 01:43.45 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:43.45 | mhall | BeBoo: And zinx is right, your terms are confused. |
| 01:43.57 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: where's mwilson when you need him ? :) |
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| 01:44.08 | gravity | This is the dumbest argument ever |
| 01:44.14 | mhall | scarynetworkguy: WNBT. I never intended to go that direction with it anyways. |
| 01:44.16 | abrotman | gravity: evar! |
| 01:44.23 | gravity | eV4r |
| 01:44.38 | BeBoo | well yeah i properly am - but when using update-alternatives to choose between your session manager/display manager, you gotta usa x-session-manager - at least that is working here - but i'm not able to locate the package for kde's DM/XM |
| 01:44.39 | abrotman | gravity: you could go harass people in #gentoo! :) |
| 01:44.39 | abrotman | gravity: you could go harass people in #gentoo! :) |
| 01:44.43 | scarynetworkguy | gravity: Yeah. But it's fun to bait mhall. |
| 01:44.44 | gravity | abrotman: I totally could |
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| 01:45.07 | abrotman | gravity: or you could grab a nice sammie from the fridge and watch some baseball :) |
| 01:45.16 | scarynetworkguy | For the record in the realm of *nix WMs openbox > *. |
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| 01:45.23 | abrotman | wait .. no tv! |
| 01:45.27 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: blackbox! |
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| 01:45.36 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: DIE YOU STUPID BITCH DIE!!!! |
| 01:45.44 | BeBoo | fluxbox :p |
| 01:45.45 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: askjeeves ? |
| 01:45.50 | zinx | BeBoo: session managers and display managers are not the same thing. |
| 01:45.51 | mhall | hmm, you must mean regex *, which would match the null string; therefore openbox is better than nothing |
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| 01:46.21 | mhall | ~tell root__ about root |
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| 01:46.35 | beardy | apt: wake up |
| 01:46.38 | apt | up: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 01:46.38 | beardy | apt: wake up |
| 01:46.39 | apt | up: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 01:46.39 | resiak | BeBoo: KDE's display manager is called kdm, by an _amazing_ coincidence. I think the session manager is called something like ksession. |
| 01:46.41 | zinx | BeBoo: and a simple apt-cache search for (gnome|kde) session manager will tell you |
| 01:46.54 | abrotman | !dm |
| 01:46.56 | dpkg | DM means display manager. xdm, gdm, kdm, wdm, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers. Ask me about nodm if you want to disable the DM. |
| 01:46.56 | dpkg | DM means display manager. xdm, gdm, kdm, wdm, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers. Ask me about nodm if you want to disable the DM. |
| 01:47.00 | zinx | BeBoo: if you do indeed want a session manager, and not a display manager |
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| 01:47.23 | p3rti | hey i have problem with my intel810 soundcard. |
| 01:47.23 | p3rti | hey i have problem with my intel810 soundcard. |
| 01:47.23 | BeBoo | I prolly typed something wrong, cause the first thing i was searching for was kdm |
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| 01:47.50 | jkern | I have built 2.6.13.4 along with the nvidia-kernel-source. The /dev/nvidia* devices are not created. I used a script from the xorg wiki. The devices are created and nvidia works but the device do not remain after a reboot. How can I make them stick? |
| 01:47.57 | thc | ok, who cares anymore. can you go install kdm please? |
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| 01:48.16 | p3rti | the problem its with my tv card saa7134, when i rmmod all modules of sound and modprobe snd_intel8x0 work's nice. |
| 01:48.22 | BeBoo | But what is the different between a session manager and a display manager? |
| 01:48.29 | zinx | BeBoo: Everything. |
| 01:48.43 | mhall | BeBoo: alright display manager takes over a virtual screen and puts up login window for X |
| 01:48.54 | cheal | jkern: a script that does what? |
| 01:48.54 | cheal | jkern: a script that does what? |
| 01:49.01 | mhall | BeBoo: and a session manager saves and restarts your programs when you log out and back in |
| 01:49.03 | BeBoo | Oh i get it now. Great, thanks :) |
| 01:49.23 | jkern | cheal, it make the file in /dev eg, /dev/nvidia0 |
| 01:49.49 | resiak | jkern: Maybe you need a new udev. Huzzah! |
| 01:49.50 | cheal | jkern: why do you need that? |
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| 01:50.23 | jkern | cheal, I don't know why I seem to need it. The module is loaded. |
| 01:50.43 | p3rti | hey i have problem with my intel810 soundcard. |
| 01:50.45 | p3rti | the problem its with my tv card saa7134, when i rmmod all modules of sound and modprobe snd_intel8x0 work's nice. |
| 01:50.45 | cheal | jkern: you did follow andrew schulman's debian-nvidia howto? |
| 01:51.01 | resiak | !tell p3rti -about repeat |
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| 01:51.13 | p3rti | sorry resiak |
| 01:51.23 | jkern | cheal, I did a make-kpkg kernel_image modules_image and then installed them. |
| 01:51.35 | resiak | p3rti: Not a problem; just pointing out that you won't get an answer faster by asking over and over again if no-one knows. |
| 01:51.48 | jkern | cheal, I used nvidia-kernel-source |
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| 01:52.52 | p3rti | yes well. the best solution its remove my tv card |
| 01:52.54 | p3rti | :( |
| 01:53.19 | cheal | jkern: check the troubleshooting part |
| 01:53.28 | dvs | p3rti: Or blacklist the module that uses the tv card sound |
| 01:53.39 | p3rti | dvs: how can i blacklist.. |
| 01:53.43 | sandman | Is there a tool for editing the gconf registry manually from teh console? |
| 01:53.48 | dvs | !blacklist |
| 01:53.48 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present) |
| 01:53.55 | gravity | sandman: gconftool? |
| 01:54.19 | sandman | gravity: A graphical way |
| 01:54.19 | p3rti | thanks |
| 01:54.25 | gravity | sandman: gconf-editor |
| 01:54.28 | gravity | But that's not console |
| 01:54.28 | gravity | But that's not console |
| 01:54.46 | gravity | No others that I'm aware of |
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| 01:56.21 | sussudio | bisoprololfum sounds like something made up by an AOLer |
| 01:56.24 | jkern | cheal, udev is the problem -- I will use the suggest /etc/init.d script. Thanks for the tip! |
| 01:57.58 | p3rti | brb |
| 01:59.49 | BeBoo | Hmm. I have a little problem now. KDM starts without any problems, and i get the login dialog. But when i login, the X server just restarts, and goes back to the login prompt - what can cause that? |
| 02:00.17 | treyh0 | wow ./gnome-panel/distribution.c, they have SuSE menu and a CDE menu |
| 02:00.18 | treyh0 | too |
| 02:00.18 | treyh0 | rofl |
| 02:00.18 | treyh0 | rofl |
| 02:00.18 | resiak | Why not read the X error logs in /var/log/ ? |
| 02:00.21 | cheal | BeBoo: try asking #debian-kde |
| 02:00.51 | BeBoo | resiak: nothing in Xorg.0.log, or kdm.log |
| 02:01.23 | cheal | BeBoo: check in ~/.xsession-errors |
| 02:01.41 | gravity | Empty ~/.xsession? |
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| 02:01.48 | gravity | Just runs and quits if there's nothing there |
| 02:03.07 | Verxion | it is absolutely amazing to me that there isn't a default set of iptables rules available for people with two ethernet cards that want to do masquerading |
| 02:03.14 | BeBoo | Uh heh forgot to clean the old .xsession - blark :( |
| 02:03.22 | buu | Verxion: /usr/sbin/ipmasq ? |
| 02:03.58 | Verxion | buu: the ipmasq apt-get package? |
| 02:04.05 | beardy | Verxion: try firehol |
| 02:04.08 | buu | Verxion: yes |
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| 02:04.09 | Verxion | buu: I haven't ever used it. How secure is it? |
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| 02:04.52 | Verxion | buu/beardy: Which is more secure, firehol or ipmasq? |
| 02:05.01 | beardy | Verxion: And check the examples in /usr/share/doc/firehol/examples |
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| 02:05.36 | Vyrus001 | is there a package for x.org on debian x64 ? |
| 02:06.03 | beardy | Verxion: Depends on what you do with it. |
| 02:06.11 | cheal | Vyrus001: yes |
| 02:06.21 | cheal | !tell Vyrus001 about xorg |
| 02:06.22 | Verxion | beardy: I want to firewall, I want to masquerade, and I want samba available on my internal network ONLY |
| 02:06.42 | Vyrus001 | cheal: thanx |
| 02:06.47 | eXa_bOy | Guerin : when do these bastards upload week 6 ? |
| 02:07.00 | Verxion | beardy: and I want ssh access to be allowed in |
| 02:08.02 | DocDoom | any one know if there are any drivers for the centrino kit intelreleased, like intelextreme 2 and the wlancard? |
| 02:08.03 | beardy | Verxion: I'm not familliar with ipmasq. Firehol is relatively easy to get a grip on if you read the docs, and can easily do what you want. |
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| 02:10.08 | parents | hello |
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| 02:10.44 | parents | hello |
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| 02:12.04 | cheal | Roxport: you know that never stops, right? ;) |
| 02:14.11 | Roxport | huh? |
| 02:14.12 | meff | what is a good generic gtk text editing program? for my wife pls.. so not vi or emacs and such :P |
| 02:14.13 | Roxport | no |
| 02:14.24 | Roxport | it's going through the tests....it's on #6 now |
| 02:14.25 | beardy | Verxion: My firehol configuration I based on the example lan-gateway.conf, perhaps it would work for you too, if you modify it a bit. |
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| 02:14.37 | Dragon-Eater | how can i see what version of debian i am using? |
| 02:14.44 | gravity | meff: gedit |
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| 02:15.18 | meff | ahh thx gravity |
| 02:15.35 | gravity | No problem |
| 02:15.36 | cheal | Roxport: ok, but it will start at the beginning when it finishes all the tests :) |
| 02:15.38 | beardy | Dragon-Eater: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 02:15.51 | Roxport | ok |
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| 02:16.05 | Dragon-Eater | beardy is there also a global command to see what os and version your using? |
| 02:16.12 | paivakil | meff: gedit |
| 02:16.12 | paivakil | meff: gedit |
| 02:16.12 | Roxport | it's two 128MB ECC RAM chips |
| 02:16.15 | beardy | Dragon-Eater: uname -a ? |
| 02:16.52 | Dragon-Eater | I got a friend who doesn't know what version of linux he is using |
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| 02:17.07 | magyar | on debian sarge how do i geberate a server.crt? |
| 02:17.13 | Dragon-Eater | i need something that works on every linux distro |
| 02:17.17 | Dragon-Eater | to see wich distro and version |
| 02:17.30 | gravity | Dragon-Eater: Doesn't exist. You'll have to write it yourself. |
| 02:17.37 | Dragon-Eater | Damn |
| 02:18.22 | paivakil | Dragon-Eater: lsb_release for lsb compliant distros |
| 02:18.22 | gravity | uname -a is the closest thing |
| 02:18.22 | gravity | uname -a is the closest thing |
| 02:18.42 | Dragon-Eater | lsb doesn't even work on mine lol |
| 02:19.08 | beardy | Dragon-Eater: You have to check for clues and guess what he is running. |
| 02:19.10 | Dragon-Eater | but uname only tell's version |
| 02:19.10 | Dragon-Eater | but uname only tell's version |
| 02:19.30 | beardy | Dragon-Eater: Ask him how he installs packages for example. |
| 02:19.49 | beardy | Dragon-Eater: 'uname -a' |
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| 02:20.16 | Dragon-Eater | He is a complete numbf*ck who owns a hosting company one of his SSH admin accounts has been "hacked" so he is screwed ^^ |
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| 02:21.05 | Dragon-Eater | uname response of him: nux localhost.localdomain.nl 2.6.5-1.358 #1 Sat May 8 09:04:50 EDT 2004 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux |
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| 02:21.16 | spldart | With a fresh deb sarge inst, /xwindow /gnome what would be the best way route to get my 9800 aiw card working... I would like to linux TV :) |
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| 02:21.31 | cheal | magyar: what's that? |
| 02:21.34 | beardy | Dragon-Eater: numbfucks(?) usually run Red Hat, don't they? |
| 02:21.34 | beardy | Dragon-Eater: numbfucks(?) usually run Red Hat, don't they? |
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| 02:21.43 | Dragon-Eater | fedora i assume |
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| 02:22.15 | Kevin` | what's the difference between the netinstall cd, businesscard cd, floppy disks |
| 02:22.17 | beardy | Dragon-Eater: Yeah. |
| 02:22.32 | spldart | also how can I confirm that my install recognized my dual cpu system? |
| 02:22.32 | spldart | also how can I confirm that my install recognized my dual cpu system? |
| 02:22.33 | beardy | Kevin`: Firstly, the size. |
| 02:22.36 | Dragon-Eater | Ok, i am going to send him to join #fedora on here and bother someone on there ^^ |
| 02:22.40 | magyar | cheal: on debian sarge how do i generate a server.crt? |
| 02:22.56 | magyar | cheal: for apache 2 ssl |
| 02:23.05 | Kevin` | and secondly |
| 02:23.22 | eXa_bOy | anyone seen that movie : the exosism of some bitch? |
| 02:23.29 | Dragon-Eater | Kevin` your joking right? |
| 02:23.34 | beardy | Kevin`: The things that fit on them. |
| 02:23.34 | beardy | Kevin`: The things that fit on them. |
| 02:23.35 | Roxport | nop |
| 02:23.42 | Roxport | exa_boy: nope |
| 02:23.46 | Roxport | Emily Rose |
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| 02:23.50 | eXa_bOy | yeah thats it... |
| 02:23.54 | Verxion | beardy: ok, so I think I have my firehol.conf how I want it. I did the apt-get install firehol. Is there anything further required to enable it? |
| 02:24.02 | eXa_bOy | looks scary. shat my self in the shorts |
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| 02:24.15 | The_Ball | how can i pan a window or make it maximized in xvm (i think it's xvm, dead ugly) |
| 02:24.16 | Kevin` | like, is there a chance if I download the business card one and do a minimal install nothing will need to be downloaded.. and for the netinstall? |
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| 02:24.30 | beardy | Verxion: firehol restart, if you have your config like you want it. |
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| 02:24.38 | harry | hi everyone... |
| 02:24.40 | Verxion | beardy: ok, thank ye |
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| 02:24.54 | DocDoom | any one here who has a intel Wlancard? trying to get wlan working under debian.. |
| 02:24.57 | Roxport | stupid Dell RAM... |
| 02:25.05 | Verxion | beardy: firehol's config file truly does seem quite simple. I am not sure how secure it is though. . . |
| 02:25.39 | harry | I had a question about the modules ipw2100 for 2.6.12,,,,they seem to not yet be available for deb... |
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| 02:25.39 | Roxport | In general, will DELL memory work in clone PCs? |
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| 02:25.54 | harry | anybody have a idea y |
| 02:26.02 | ice_1963 | dude your geting a dell lol |
| 02:26.05 | spldart | prolly work... 'dell' |
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| 02:26.07 | Verxion | beardy: "Starting iptables firewall: FireHOL ...Stopping /etc/default/firehol forbids it." |
| 02:26.15 | Roxport | NO, i got some more RAM on ebay.... |
| 02:26.15 | spldart | It's all about type and speed |
| 02:26.15 | Verxion | beardy: I must have done something wrong. . . |
| 02:26.15 | Verxion | beardy: I must have done something wrong. . . |
| 02:26.21 | beardy | Verxion: You can check the iptables rules it generates and go through them by hand. firehol status | less |
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| 02:26.45 | Roxport | 128 MB SDRAM DIMM ECC (x2) i think it's crap |
| 02:26.58 | Roxport | it's DELL ram in a clone (non-Dell) PC |
| 02:27.28 | spldart | if your not overclocking you can trust it to perform as intended |
| 02:27.37 | spldart | If you are then toss it |
| 02:27.40 | beardy | Verxion: hmm, '/etc/init.d/firehol restart' then? |
| 02:27.50 | Roxport | no overclocking |
| 02:27.57 | Verxion | beardy: same |
| 02:28.08 | Verxion | ahh |
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| 02:28.18 | Verxion | looks like it defaults to saying "START_FIREHOL=NO" |
| 02:28.23 | Verxion | I shall change that post haste |
| 02:28.23 | Verxion | :) |
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| 02:28.51 | beardy | Verxion: check 'cat /etc/default/firehol' what does START_FIREHOL= say? |
| 02:28.54 | beardy | Verxion: yeah |
| 02:29.26 | Verxion | ok |
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| 02:30.09 | Verx | had to switch irssi sessions |
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| 02:30.16 | Verxion | so I can test the masq stuff |
| 02:30.34 | tidalih | anyone need a dedicated server? |
| 02:30.38 | tidalih | im giving them away for free :) |
| 02:30.43 | Verxion | tidalih: sure thing |
| 02:30.47 | Verxion | tidalih: I will take 3 please |
| 02:30.51 | tidalih | heh, I knew that would catch attention. |
| 02:31.05 | Verxion | eek |
| 02:31.06 | tidalih | I do work for a hosting company though, if anyones interested. |
| 02:31.16 | Kevin` | free servers? |
| 02:31.17 | Verxion | I am getting some console messages |
| 02:31.22 | Roxport | tidalih: really? |
| 02:31.26 | beardy | Verxion: I also have ulog installed and the line "FIREHOL_LOG_MODE="ULOG" in my firehol.conf, to keep all its logs separated from syslog, and to prevent a lot of output in the console. |
| 02:31.26 | beardy | Verxion: I also have ulog installed and the line "FIREHOL_LOG_MODE="ULOG" in my firehol.conf, to keep all its logs separated from syslog, and to prevent a lot of output in the console. |
| 02:31.26 | Verxion | presumably from firehol |
| 02:31.28 | Roxport | sure |
| 02:31.51 | Verxion | beardy: hehehe, then that is probably why I have so much output in the console just now, rofl |
| 02:31.59 | beardy | Verxion: Yeah :) |
| 02:32.16 | tidalih | you guys sign up i can work good deals as I am an employee ;) |
| 02:32.33 | Kevin` | tidalih free? |
| 02:32.45 | Roxport | or "free"? |
| 02:33.10 | tidalih | not free, but can beat alot of prices |
| 02:33.14 | tidalih | theyre a good company |
| 02:33.19 | tidalih | ask Gnea he knows the speeds by now :) |
| 02:33.29 | Kevin` | speeds? |
| 02:33.42 | tidalih | network speeds. |
| 02:33.57 | Kevin` | you talking about game servers or standard |
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| 02:34.33 | Roxport | pc60 ram is hard to find |
| 02:35.05 | stew | pc66? |
| 02:35.06 | Verxion | beardy: where should I find the log entries? I am looking in /var/log just now. . . |
| 02:35.33 | Roxport | yeah, i mean that...d'oh |
| 02:35.38 | tidalih | standard servers |
| 02:35.40 | tidalih | webhosting |
| 02:35.41 | tidalih | etc |
| 02:35.41 | tidalih | etc |
| 02:35.47 | stew | i saw some on the street the other day |
| 02:35.47 | Roxport | *gulp* that helps... |
| 02:35.50 | tidalih | i wont spam the site here |
| 02:35.56 | tidalih | so if you really are interested just pm me |
| 02:35.59 | stew | Roxport: pc100 or pc133 should work fine |
| 02:36.25 | Roxport | ok |
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| 02:36.44 | zoddan | where do i have to put acpi=force ? |
| 02:36.55 | Roxport | it's old m/b from 1997 |
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| 02:37.28 | Roxport | "OK, booting the kernel." and it just hangs (sarge). WTF... |
| 02:37.56 | stew | zoddan: its a kernel parameter |
| 02:38.05 | stew | zoddan: you use grub? |
| 02:38.10 | Verxion | beardy: you around? |
| 02:38.10 | Verxion | beardy: you around? |
| 02:38.14 | zoddan | i fogott the append part |
| 02:38.16 | beardy | Verxion: Yep |
| 02:38.26 | Thaiger | Can anyone help me with Japanese input? I had it working using canna and kinput2, but I used to have to call the program a certain way on the command line to get any program except kterm to actually use it, but I can't remember what it was. Any advice? |
| 02:38.28 | Verxion | beardy: may I msg you? |
| 02:38.37 | beardy | Verxion: Hmm, ok. |
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| 02:39.13 | Verxion | heh |
| 02:39.14 | Verxion | nevermind |
| 02:39.25 | Verxion | this irc server won't let me msg ya |
| 02:39.27 | beardy | Verxion: You can't, you're nick is not registered. |
| 02:39.27 | beardy | Verxion: You can't, you're nick is not registered. |
| 02:39.30 | Verxion | beardy: I can't find the logfiles |
| 02:39.34 | Verxion | I looked in /var/log |
| 02:39.40 | beardy | Verxion: /var/log/ulog |
| 02:39.42 | abrotman | what log file? |
| 02:39.42 | abrotman | what log file? |
| 02:39.58 | abrotman | ignore me |
| 02:40.13 | Verxion | beardy: there is no such file. . . |
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| 02:40.23 | Verxion | perhaps it just hasn't gotten anything to log as yet? |
| 02:40.40 | abrotman | beardy: what file ? |
| 02:40.44 | asdx_ | where can i see a correct sources.list for debian testing/unstable? |
| 02:40.49 | beardy | Verxion: it's a directory, the file is /var/log/ulog/syslogemu.log |
| 02:40.50 | abrotman | asdx_: apt-setup |
| 02:40.50 | abrotman | asdx_: apt-setup |
| 02:40.56 | Vyrus001 | how do i install kernel headers for 2.6.11-amd64, all i see in headers is 2.6.12 ? |
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| 02:41.09 | asdx_ | abrotman: i don't have that |
| 02:41.12 | beardy | abrotman: ulog's logfiles. |
| 02:41.13 | abrotman | asdx_: are you root ? |
| 02:41.13 | Verxion | beardy: additionally, I can no longer ping the box remotely |
| 02:41.14 | abrotman | asdx_: are you root ? |
| 02:41.14 | Verxion | beardy: additionally, I can no longer ping the box remotely |
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| 02:41.22 | asdx_ | abrotman: yes |
| 02:41.28 | beardy | Verxion: Add ping to the allowed services. |
| 02:41.29 | Verxion | beardy: so I assume the icmp traffic is being blocked |
| 02:41.35 | Verxion | or is ping something other than icmp? |
| 02:41.40 | abrotman | asdx_: are you using debian ? |
| 02:41.47 | ethan-allison | What does "No core pointer" mean? |
| 02:41.50 | Kevin` | ping is icmp ping |
| 02:42.07 | Verxion | ahh, I didn't have ulog installed |
| 02:42.15 | Verxion | that was the reason firehol wouldn't log, rofl |
| 02:42.15 | Verxion | that was the reason firehol wouldn't log, rofl |
| 02:42.16 | asdx_ | abrotman: yeah |
| 02:42.20 | beardy | Verxion: Are you using the lan-gateway.conf as base? |
| 02:42.33 | abrotman | asdx_: then you sohuld have apt-setup |
| 02:42.48 | Verxion | beardy: I went to the firehol website and followed their tutorial. . . |
| 02:42.52 | ethan-allison | What does "No core pointer" mean? (oh yeah, this is when i run X from bash) |
| 02:43.07 | abrotman | it's your mouse |
| 02:43.08 | beardy | Verxion: Anyway, ping is the service name to allow incoming icmp pings. |
| 02:43.28 | ethan-allison | abrotman: me? |
| 02:43.30 | victor_ | what is the best linux ?? |
| 02:43.50 | beardy | There is onyl one linux. |
| 02:43.53 | beardy | only |
| 02:43.53 | beardy | only |
| 02:43.54 | Verxion | ok, I had added client icmp accept |
| 02:43.56 | Roxport | the kind that's easy to install? that's what I'm hoping for.... |
| 02:44.08 | Verxion | beardy: I shall add ping |
| 02:44.08 | beardy | !tell victor_ -about why debian |
| 02:44.08 | beardy | !tell victor_ -about why debian |
| 02:44.12 | DocDoom | beardy: do you use grub yourself? |
| 02:44.24 | Verxion | ok, well, I am gonna move this box downstairs |
| 02:44.28 | Verxion | so I can try it out |
| 02:44.34 | Verxion | see you all in a bit |
| 02:44.46 | TGoC | GOD, why do you come in #debian and ask if debian is a good OS. Of course we think debian is a better OS then the rest else we wouldn't be using it! |
| 02:44.47 | Verxion | and thanks beardy and everyone else! :) |
| 02:45.33 | ethan-allison | victor_: in my opinion, Ubuntu is the best desktop, LFS (linux from scratch) is the best server, and debian is the most versatile |
| 02:45.53 | ethan-allison | victor_: try ##linux |
| 02:45.57 | jstevens | victor_: Are you new to linux? |
| 02:45.57 | jstevens | victor_: Are you new to linux? |
| 02:46.16 | dondelelcaro | must have ages worth of time to dedicate to admining a single box |
| 02:46.19 | Kevin` | dondelelcaro I tried to, but made the mistake of using cbs |
| 02:46.22 | Kevin` | *cvs |
| 02:46.25 | TGoC | www.google.com : wtf is linux |
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| 02:46.31 | TGoC | have fun :) |
| 02:46.33 | victor_ | Yes iam |
| 02:46.51 | ethan-allison | dondelelcaro: turn your lfs into a distro |
| 02:47.05 | dondelelcaro | ethan-allison: why bother? |
| 02:47.13 | ethan-allison | dondelelcaro: speed |
| 02:47.35 | jstevens | victor_: Debian is certianly a reasonable distro to start out with. Users usually have fewer problems with installing Fedora though. |
| 02:47.37 | beardy | victor_: Perhaps you should ask in #linux instead, since this is #debian, a distribution specific channel. |
| 02:47.45 | abrotman | ethan-allison: that makes ZERO sense |
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| 02:47.59 | nvz | yeehaw its that time again |
| 02:48.04 | dondelelcaro | ethan-allison: hardly; it's far more efficient for me to throw more machines at the problem than spend time attempting to eek out a dubious 1% performance advantage... |
| 02:48.05 | abrotman | nvz: beer time ? |
| 02:48.08 | nvz | work time |
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| 02:48.27 | beardy | !beer abrotman |
| 02:48.33 | beardy | !nvzdrink nvz |
| 02:48.37 | beardy | :) |
| 02:48.38 | jstevens | victor_: Yeah, I'd urge you to do some googling. I'd be using Fedora execpt I hate the package management. Debian package management is a dream. |
| 02:48.38 | jstevens | victor_: Yeah, I'd urge you to do some googling. I'd be using Fedora execpt I hate the package management. Debian package management is a dream. |
| 02:48.39 | victor_ | what is gentoo like? |
| 02:48.40 | ethan-allison | !beet abrotman |
| 02:48.44 | gravity | Dogfishhead++ |
| 02:48.46 | ethan-allison | !beer abrotman |
| 02:48.46 | ethan-allison | !beer abrotman |
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| 02:48.53 | stew | gravity: hear hear |
| 02:49.05 | stew | gravity: i'm having one now in fact |
| 02:49.07 | gravity | stew: It's mako's fault that I like dogfishhead |
| 02:49.09 | gravity | stew: Rock on |
| 02:49.09 | gravity | stew: Rock on |
| 02:49.12 | ethan-allison | victor_: ubuntu. if you're not doing special, ubuntu |
| 02:49.17 | ethan-allison | i use it and it's awesome |
| 02:49.25 | stew | gravity: i don't splurge for the 90 minute stuff though, just the 60 minute |
| 02:49.27 | dondelelcaro | gravity: heh. More people adicted to DFH is a good thing |
| 02:49.33 | jstevens | victor_: I'm not familiar with gentoo personally. It is geard to those who want to compile software for their specific machine. |
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| 02:50.15 | ethan-allison | jstevens and victor_: i believe gentoo is kinda like debian, except instead of getting packages, it gets sources and builds it all for you |
| 02:50.40 | stew | dondelelcaro: glad to hear that its popular on the west coast too |
| 02:50.46 | Roxport | ok, methinks one of my memory modules was bad. baby steps. |
| 02:50.58 | Roxport | "is" bad |
| 02:51.16 | stew | dondelelcaro: i was figuring it was mostly distrubuted on the east coast |
| 02:51.16 | jstevens | victor_: If you are just itching to try a distribution. Just download one and take a thwack at it. Don't give up. Somethin or other won't work. If you switch to another distro, something else won't work exactly as you like. They'll all need a bit of tweaking. Just pick a distro and dive in. |
| 02:51.25 | MOSMarauder | * dpkg pours a litre of Franziskaner Hefeweizen for abrotman <-- Bääääääääääh pfui |
| 02:51.53 | Roxport | what if i slap 128 MB ECC SDRAM in DIMM1 and put 64MB SDRAM in DIMM2 (non ECC). Will that cause trouble? |
| 02:51.59 | abrotman | wtf was that ? |
| 02:52.08 | abrotman | Roxport: yes |
| 02:52.13 | Roxport | ok |
| 02:52.14 | tidalih | heh. |
| 02:52.37 | abrotman | Roxport: is it a bad idea to put diesel in your gas engine ? :) |
| 02:52.47 | Roxport | Jeeeeez, now, during installing sarge, the stupid thing reboots the pc. this is some strange crap. |
| 02:53.02 | Roxport | then goes back to debian boot: prompt |
| 02:53.07 | Roxport | what a pain |
| 02:53.59 | stew | i doubt its as bad as putting diesel in a gas engine |
| 02:54.08 | abrotman | dude .. maybe you should try woody .. or linux26 .. or use 2.4 .. or .. or |
| 02:54.25 | abrotman | stew: yes .. your car doesn't beep three times and refuse to start :) |
| 02:54.39 | Roxport | ok |
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| 02:54.50 | ethan-allison | !beer me |
| 02:54.51 | stew | abrotman: you've tried? |
| 02:54.57 | stew | :) |
| 02:55.26 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:56.29 | abrotman | !moo |
| 02:56.29 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 02:57.24 | abrotman | nice .. a god and a lamer |
| 02:58.03 | ethan-allison | ok, so i've got an integrated nipple mouse on this laptop |
| 02:58.05 | Roxport | lord god |
| 02:58.07 | ethan-allison | what's the mouse port for it |
| 02:58.36 | ethan-allison | /dev/psaux? |
| 02:58.56 | stew | ethan-allison: yes |
| 02:59.05 | DocDoom | any one of you guys use grub? i nead some help configuering it to dualboot |
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| 02:59.28 | dli | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
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| 03:00.17 | stew | dli: /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 03:00.25 | ka | hi |
| 03:00.44 | dli | stew: /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 03:00.44 | dli | stew: /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 03:01.05 | dli | stew: sorry, but it's kernel-image from make-kpkg |
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| 03:01.43 | stew | dli: i wouldnt' worry about it being tampered with then |
| 03:01.50 | magyar | i know it's the wrong channel but: does apache 2 use only *.pem files for SSL oppose to *.crt *.key files in Apache 1.X ? |
| 03:02.02 | dli | stew: I worry about it might stop during FAI installation |
| 03:02.02 | abrotman | if you know it's wrong .. why ask? |
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| 03:02.06 | abrotman | #apache is closed ? |
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| 03:02.07 | abrotman | #apache is closed ? |
| 03:02.16 | Roxport | how long should a typical, bare-bones, debian install take? on a stand-along system? |
| 03:02.27 | magyar | abrotman: its kind of slow |
| 03:02.43 | ethan-allison | Roxport: 30min? |
| 03:02.50 | dli | Roxport, 10 minutes, or 20 minutes for me |
| 03:02.57 | Roxport | ugh, i got problems then. |
| 03:03.09 | abrotman | magyar: maybe you should try openssl.org ? |
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| 03:04.31 | magyar | abrotman: i doubt it would depend from openssl, i've been reading on the net about debian-apache-ssl and for some odd reason the above question is beged to be asked :) |
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| 03:05.05 | abrotman | magyar: ask #apache |
| 03:05.28 | abrotman | Roxport: did it take 36 minutes ? |
| 03:05.28 | magyar | np |
| 03:05.28 | magyar | np |
| 03:05.37 | stew | dli: sorry i dunno much about fai, can you put it on a signed repository? |
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| 03:06.12 | dli | stew: I will see, if FAI uses --force-yes, it should be okay |
| 03:06.37 | dli | stew: or, I can disable this secure feature? |
| 03:07.06 | stew | dli: check the manpage, i think you can |
| 03:07.09 | Roxport | gotta go. falling asleep |
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| 03:12.04 | Vyrus001 | how do i set the CC enviorment var ? |
| 03:12.55 | beardy | Vyrus001: export FOO=BAR |
| 03:14.05 | Vyrus001 | beardy: thanx |
| 03:14.05 | Vyrus001 | beardy: thanx |
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| 03:14.55 | erik | hey, is there a good console-based CD ripper in debian? |
| 03:15.02 | resiak | abcde! |
| 03:15.08 | zinx | cdparanoia? :/ |
| 03:15.19 | erik | zinx: I mean a ripper/encoder |
| 03:15.22 | erik | :) |
| 03:15.30 | erik | I'll check out abcde, thanks resiak |
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| 03:16.01 | Vyrus001 | anybody here use nvida drivers on deb ? |
| 03:16.01 | Vyrus001 | anybody here use nvida drivers on deb ? |
| 03:16.13 | ratonn | what apt pkg do I install for dual amd mps? |
| 03:16.20 | ratonn | using sarge |
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| 03:16.35 | beardy | !tell Vyrus001 -about nvidia one-liner |
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| 03:16.52 | ethan-allison | !tell me about default window manager |
| 03:17.06 | Overfiend | Hmm, looks like I got kicked off a few days ago. "Forbidden channel". I had no idea this channel was such a hotbed of subversive activity. |
| 03:17.10 | beardy | !tell Vyrus001 -about nvidia |
| 03:17.10 | beardy | !tell Vyrus001 -about nvidia |
| 03:17.12 | erik | wow, abcde is amazing |
| 03:17.14 | erik | thanks a ton |
| 03:17.16 | beardy | ethan-allison: /msg the bot |
| 03:17.28 | ethan-allison | beardy: *whistle* |
| 03:17.48 | ethan-allison | is there a window mgr on disc one? |
| 03:17.49 | Overfiend | "Forbidden Channel", wasn't that a 50s sci-fi movie with Leslie Nielsen, Robbie the Robot, and a heavy dose of Freudian psychology? |
| 03:18.11 | ethan-allison | Overfiend: it was once called #subversive you know |
| 03:18.33 | Overfiend | ethan-allison: are you the leader of the Green Mountain Girls? |
| 03:18.50 | ethan-allison | Overfiend: i am the Enlightened Dragon, yes |
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| 03:19.04 | Overfiend | ethan-allison: uh oh. You've never gone by "Kysh", have you? |
| 03:19.14 | ethan-allison | Overfiend: nope |
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| 03:19.32 | ethan-allison | Overfiend: i'm pulling this all out of my butt |
| 03:19.46 | Overfiend | ethan-allison: I suggest a laxative. |
| 03:19.54 | Overfiend | You shouldn't have to pull. |
| 03:20.21 | Overfiend | ethan-allison: your nick reminds me of "Ethan Allen", U.S. historical figure. |
| 03:20.29 | Overfiend | hence my apparent non sequitur |
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| 03:20.44 | dondelelcaro | Overfiend: chanserv loves you... |
| 03:20.45 | ethan-allison | Overfiend: my name actually is Ethan J. Allison |
| 03:21.09 | Overfiend | ethan-allison: Okay. You're not cool, then, like me. And dondelelcaro. And, uh, dpkg. |
| 03:21.15 | Overfiend | dpkg: tell us how cool you are |
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| 03:21.23 | ethan-allison | !tell us how cool you are |
| 03:21.26 | Overfiend | private response. What a piece of shit |
| 03:21.35 | ethan-allison | !tell us how cool you are |
| 03:21.43 | ethan-allison | !tell me how cool you are |
| 03:21.52 | ethan-allison | No, ethan-allison, I won't. (target invalid?) |
| 03:21.56 | Overfiend | Too cool for school, apparently. |
| 03:22.05 | ratonn | what apt pkg do I install for dual amd mps using sarge? |
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| 03:23.08 | level_5 | can anyone here help me get java installed? |
| 03:23.11 | Guerin | ratonn: wth is mps? |
| 03:23.16 | Guerin | level_5: the /topic can |
| 03:23.30 | eonbleu | hey all ... umm what file do i edit to change my screen res... im running the following debian release (stock everything) |
| 03:23.35 | xfan | ok level_5 |
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| 03:23.51 | eonbleu | Linux version 2.4.27-2-386 (horms@tabatha.lab.ultramonkey.org) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-12)) #1 Mon May 16 16:47:51 JST 2005 |
| 03:24.20 | eonbleu | how do i tell if im running xorg or xf86 |
| 03:24.42 | level_5 | xfan, do you use Limewire? This is why I need Java |
| 03:24.50 | Guerin | oh god, lamewire |
| 03:24.56 | Guerin | level_5: read the topic |
| 03:25.03 | Guerin | level_5: really, I'm not kidding |
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| 03:25.10 | Guerin | level_5: the answer you seek is ther |
| 03:25.10 | Guerin | e |
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| 03:25.29 | eonbleu | what command would i run to reconfig XF86 or Xorg |
| 03:25.40 | eonbleu | i run xf86config and it doesnt change the res options |
| 03:25.44 | beardy | !drxx eonbleu |
| 03:25.47 | dpkg | eonbleu: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 03:26.18 | ratonn | Guerin: 2xAthlon MP |
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| 03:26.54 | Guerin | ratonn: apt-cache search smp |
| 03:27.37 | Cyano-Mobile | is there an app for kde for cofiguring wvdial? |
| 03:27.59 | Guerin | kppp does the same thing, supposedly |
| 03:28.44 | ratonn | which is recommended? 2.4 or 2.4.27? |
| 03:28.59 | Guerin | ratonn: 2.4 is 2.4.27 in sarge |
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| 03:29.06 | EdLin | ratonn: the choices for SArge is 2.4.27 or 2.6.8 |
| 03:29.12 | Guerin | ratonn: you could use 2.6.8 if you wanted, as well |
| 03:29.13 | ratonn | how come their split into 2 packages? |
| 03:29.14 | EdLin | s/SArge/Sarge/ |
| 03:29.14 | EdLin | s/SArge/Sarge/ |
| 03:29.33 | beardy | resiak: Which are split? |
| 03:29.34 | Guerin | ratonn: 2.4 is a virtual package which brings in the most recent 2.4.x kernel |
| 03:29.34 | ratonn | kernel-image-2.4-k7-smp and kernel-image-2.4.27-2-k7-smp |
| 03:29.34 | Guerin | ratonn: 2.4 is a virtual package which brings in the most recent 2.4.x kernel |
| 03:29.34 | ratonn | kernel-image-2.4-k7-smp and kernel-image-2.4.27-2-k7-smp |
| 03:29.35 | agd5f | are ther any gs packages that don't require X? |
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| 03:30.05 | Guerin | agd5f: no gs packages require x. They require some x libraries, but that's not the same. |
| 03:30.06 | mae | is there an app that creates a pseudo cups printer and creates nice pdf files? :) |
| 03:30.06 | mae | is there an app that creates a pseudo cups printer and creates nice pdf files? :) |
| 03:30.16 | ratonn | Guerin: so opt for 2.4? |
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| 03:30.26 | Guerin | ratonn: they're the same, currently |
| 03:30.32 | EdLin | !confuse mae |
| 03:30.33 | dpkg | No, how is our snake yesterday, mae? shirts of the people's republic of tibet with extra herring |
| 03:30.34 | Guerin | ratonn: i'd go for 2.6.8 |
| 03:30.49 | ratonn | i've never tested my setup with 2.6 though |
| 03:30.52 | ratonn | is performance higher? |
| 03:31.12 | Guerin | ratonn: arguably |
| 03:31.26 | Guerin | the smp code is supposed to be much better |
| 03:31.30 | ratonn | so kernel-image-2.6-k7-smp ? |
| 03:31.33 | agd5f | Guerin: yeah, but it ends up needed just about everything but the servers |
| 03:31.44 | Guerin | agd5f: and the clients. |
| 03:31.52 | Guerin | agd5f: in other words, it needs some libraries. |
| 03:31.55 | mae | EdLin, in other words, is there software that allows me to print via the gnome printing interface but instead of sending to a printer, outputting a pdf file. |
| 03:32.06 | Guerin | agd5f: and it DOES need them, otherwise they wouldn't be dependencies. |
| 03:32.33 | ratonn | Guerin: will installing 2.6 affect any of my software? |
| 03:32.53 | Guerin | ratonn: not by much. |
| 03:33.01 | agd5f | Guerin: I know. I was hoping there were packages somewhere without X, like usin the -X flag on gentoo |
| 03:33.04 | ratonn | ie: will it break say mysql? |
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| 03:33.18 | agd5f | oh well. installed now |
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| 03:33.30 | Guerin | agd5f: i think gs NEEDS x libraries to do its thing |
| 03:33.36 | Guerin | agd5f: font handling and all that |
| 03:33.53 | agd5f | Guerin: perhaps so |
| 03:33.55 | EdLin | mae: probably the GNOME devs decided that would be too confusing to Sun's usability testing clients. |
| 03:34.03 | Guerin | EdLin: hah |
| 03:34.07 | ratonn | Guerin: so kernel-image-2.6-k7-smp will install latest release? |
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| 03:34.21 | Guerin | ratonn: latest release in sarge, which is 2.6.8, yes |
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| 03:34.26 | ethan-allison | is there any sort of window manager on the first debian cd |
| 03:34.46 | dondelelcaro | ethan-allison: that's where X is. |
| 03:34.56 | Guerin | !cd contents |
| 03:34.56 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt |
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| 03:35.15 | Guerin | gnome is on cd1 |
| 03:35.21 | ratonn | Guerin: why does it recommend LILO when installing 2.6? |
| 03:35.24 | Guerin | i think something like fluxbox is too |
| 03:35.25 | ethan-allison | dondelelcaro: yup |
| 03:35.25 | ethan-allison | dondelelcaro: yup |
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| 03:35.32 | agd5f | what do I have to do to make stupid cups print!!! |
| 03:35.33 | Guerin | ratonn: because it' |
| 03:35.37 | ggl_6 | hello, anyone here know where is the cheapest place to get a domain name? |
| 03:35.37 | ggl_6 | hello, anyone here know where is the cheapest place to get a domain name? |
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| 03:35.44 | Guerin | s quite hard to boot a kernel without a bootloader? |
| 03:35.55 | ratonn | Guerin: but grub is installed by default |
| 03:36.00 | Guerin | !htfswk ggl_6 |
| 03:36.00 | dpkg | ggl_6: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 03:36.00 | dpkg | ggl_6: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 03:36.06 | Guerin | ratonn: so ignore it and be happy |
| 03:36.11 | ratonn | :P |
| 03:36.20 | Kevin` | Guerin according to the kernel readme newer kernels don't support bootind without a bootloader anymore |
| 03:36.20 | LooP_BaCK | anybody uses mercury as MSN client? |
| 03:36.31 | Guerin | Kevin`: amazing, but true. |
| 03:36.34 | Kevin` | maybe that's changed.. try it |
| 03:36.39 | Guerin | !anyone use mercury |
| 03:36.40 | dpkg | No, no one uses mercury, not even the people who use it. |
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| 03:37.11 | LooP_BaCK | kkkkkkk |
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| 03:37.26 | Kevin` | Guerin Oh, it wasn't you who was asking |
| 03:37.31 | Kevin` | hehe :) |
| 03:37.53 | LooP_BaCK | it's too bad how i'm thinking? |
| 03:38.00 | Guerin | yeah, my enter key just got the better of me |
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| 03:38.54 | Vyrus001 | how do i install scripts/makefile.build |
| 03:38.55 | Vyrus001 | ? |
| 03:38.55 | Vyrus001 | ? |
| 03:39.01 | LooP_BaCK | i need a good mess talker with webcam suport |
| 03:39.01 | LooP_BaCK | i need a good mess talker with webcam suport |
| 03:39.18 | Guerin | !tell Vyrus001 about search |
| 03:39.25 | Guerin | !tell Vyrus001 about vague |
| 03:39.25 | Kevin` | I want to play morrowind in linux |
| 03:39.33 | Guerin | Kevin`: I want a pony. |
| 03:39.44 | Kevin` | Guerin why? |
| 03:40.04 | Adrian | because those pony club girls are hot |
| 03:40.05 | Guerin | Kevin`: so I can ride around on it and pretend I'm a cowboy? |
| 03:40.05 | Guerin | Kevin`: so I can ride around on it and pretend I'm a cowboy? |
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| 03:40.16 | Kevin` | hehe, fair enough :) |
| 03:40.48 | Kevin` | come over here and steal one, then pay me for it |
| 03:40.53 | Kevin` | each month |
| 03:41.08 | LooP_BaCK | mercury freeze everytime |
| 03:41.43 | EdLin | LooP_BaCK: mercury as far as I can tell is not in Debian. |
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| 03:42.01 | Kevin` | what's mercury |
| 03:42.15 | LooP_BaCK | i'm using in Ubuntu Linux |
| 03:42.23 | EdLin | !ubuntu |
| 03:42.23 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 03:42.23 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 03:42.43 | Kevin` | !based on debian |
| 03:42.44 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 03:43.16 | Kevin` | corel was based on debian? didn't know that |
| 03:43.35 | LooP_BaCK | i'm just asking for a good MSN client |
| 03:43.46 | datallah | Greetings. I'm having a weird problem where ide_scsi is getting loaded (2.6.x kernel) and I can't figure out where it is coming from (it isn't in /etc/modprobe.d ). Any ideas? |
| 03:43.49 | Kevin` | how about gaim |
| 03:43.50 | EdLin | LooP_BaCK: you're asking on the wrong channel |
| 03:43.50 | EdLin | LooP_BaCK: you're asking on the wrong channel |
| 03:43.50 | Vyrus001 | Guerin: ok i think i narrowd my problem down. i think i somehow removed my kernel-kbuild-2.6-3 folder |
| 03:43.56 | Vyrus001 | how do i get a new one ? |
| 03:44.16 | LooP_BaCK | nobdy uses messengers in here? |
| 03:44.32 | bucky | nobody uses ubuntu in here |
| 03:44.34 | Kevin` | I use irc |
| 03:44.34 | Vyrus001 | LooP_BaCK: gaim |
| 03:44.39 | ethan-allison | LooP_BaCK: gaim |
| 03:44.40 | ethan-allison | LooP_BaCK: gaim |
| 03:44.42 | Kevin` | but doesn't gaim work for msn? |
| 03:44.46 | Vyrus001 | yes it does |
| 03:45.05 | Kevin` | someone ping me |
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| 03:45.07 | LooP_BaCK | that's the answer |
| 03:45.07 | LooP_BaCK | that's the answer |
| 03:45.08 | ethan-allison | gaim is aim (icq), msn, yahoo, jabber (google), irc, and some other stuf |
| 03:45.09 | Kevin` | for lag |
| 03:45.24 | smacnay | what is the command to "hold" and "un-hold" files for apt-get? echo hold... ? |
| 03:45.25 | Hugo | I used amsn or mercury |
| 03:45.25 | Hugo | I used amsn or mercury |
| 03:45.45 | smacnay | centericq |
| 03:46.06 | Hugo | and SIM for icq |
| 03:46.46 | LooP_BaCK | Hugo: you use mercury with webcam? |
| 03:47.09 | Hugo | no, |
| 03:47.09 | Hugo | no, |
| 03:47.12 | Kevin` | PING reply from ChanServ: 5.671 seconds |
| 03:47.16 | Kevin` | :( |
| 03:47.23 | LooP_BaCK | k |
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| 03:47.48 | Hugo | I not used webcam, |
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| 03:48.30 | ethan-allison | ok so when i move the mouse around in TWM i get quick flashes of the menu, and beeps |
| 03:48.58 | Kevin` | sounds like wrong mouse driver |
| 03:49.26 | eXa_bOy | how do i get postfix to start on boot? |
| 03:49.48 | Hugo | psaux or usb? |
| 03:49.52 | ethan-allison | to the dpkg-reconfiguremobile! |
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| 03:50.01 | ethan-allison | Hugo: built in "eraser" mouse |
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| 03:50.22 | Kevin` | probably psaux |
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| 03:50.31 | encompass | morning everyone |
| 03:50.50 | ethan-allison | encompass: it's 22:50! |
| 03:50.59 | encompass | how do you put two strings together with no spaces between them in bash? |
| 03:51.03 | encompass | for you |
| 03:51.14 | ethan-allison | encompass: and i rule the world |
| 03:51.22 | encompass | for me it's 7:50 I think |
| 03:51.22 | encompass | for me it's 7:50 I think |
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| 03:51.35 | encompass | 6.40 actually |
| 03:51.37 | Kevin` | it's 22:51 here |
| 03:51.46 | ethan-allison | Kevin`: where ya from? |
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| 03:51.47 | encompass | am |
| 03:51.51 | encompass | finland |
| 03:51.58 | Kevin` | wisconsun |
| 03:52.02 | Kevin` | in |
| 03:52.15 | encompass | Kevin` really? what part of wisconsin? |
| 03:52.16 | ethan-allison | Kevin`: haha nice (i'm from tc) |
| 03:52.34 | Kevin` | new berlin, near milwaukee |
| 03:52.44 | dentifrice | I can't find d-i for USB-sticks to download on debian.org anymore - has it been discontinued? |
| 03:52.49 | encompass | My family lives just not of greenbay |
| 03:52.51 | encompass | pulaski |
| 03:52.51 | encompass | pulaski |
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| 03:52.59 | ethan-allison | Kevin`: ah, other side |
| 03:53.00 | encompass | north |
| 03:53.21 | encompass | I used to live near platteville |
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| 03:54.19 | stew | !usb-install |
| 03:54.19 | dpkg | i heard usb-install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian (sarge) from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumdrive or jumpdrive, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
| 03:54.25 | encompass | dentifrice nope, use should be able to make one yourself couldn't you? |
| 03:55.05 | encompass | poor kevin, must have an old system |
| 03:55.12 | encompass | mine does and its pretty old |
| 03:55.12 | encompass | mine does and its pretty old |
| 03:55.25 | ethan-allison | Kevin`: use the bootfloppy |
| 03:55.45 | encompass | how do you put two strings together with no spaces between them in bash? Does anyone know? |
| 03:55.53 | Kevin` | ethan-allison I use the hard drive |
| 03:56.11 | datallah | is it possible that udev is somehow loading ide_scsi? |
| 03:56.31 | encompass | does anyone here know bash? |
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| 03:56.46 | stew | encompass: echo ${foo}${bar} |
| 03:56.52 | stew | encompass: is that what you mean? |
| 03:56.52 | stew | encompass: is that what you mean? |
| 03:56.53 | K_Dallas | nah, we use NT-DOS ;) |
| 03:57.11 | Hugo | :) |
| 03:57.14 | K_Dallas | evening stew ;) |
| 03:57.22 | dentifrice | thanks for the link |
| 03:57.34 | encompass | well, can I do this then $food=$foo and $bar |
| 03:57.34 | encompass | well, can I do this then $food=$foo and $bar |
| 03:57.34 | Kevin` | are there any interpreted languages that support threading? |
| 03:57.35 | Hugo | nt sux |
| 03:58.10 | stew | encompass: food=${foo}${bar} |
| 03:58.26 | encompass | that is it? wow easier than I thought |
| 03:58.44 | datallah | Kevin`: certainly. Python for one. |
| 03:58.59 | EdLin | Kevin`: I think Perl supports threading too |
| 03:59.02 | ethan-allison | YAY it werx! |
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| 03:59.12 | ethan-allison | what's threading? *feels fuckin' stupid* |
| 03:59.36 | encompass | Kevin` you learn perl like that fast! Wish I had my own jack in the back of MY head |
| 03:59.59 | EdLin | ethan-allison: in alyman's terms what multitasking is to an OS, multithreading is to an application |
| 04:00.07 | EdLin | laymans* |
| 04:00.12 | encompass | ethan-allison I think it is when you send programs or parts of programs to differnet processors so that things are faster |
| 04:00.17 | ethan-allison | EdLin: gotcha |
| 04:00.32 | EdLin | encompass: not necesarily to different processors |
| 04:00.39 | encompass | well parts of them too |
| 04:00.49 | EdLin | encompass: it is very common on uniprocessor boxes |
| 04:00.56 | kh7v7 | hello all. are there known issues where installing grub on windows xp home may result in an unbootable windows system? I want to install sarge on a friend's peecee and she is a newbie. i am going to coach her on the install with pics and all so she can do it in some easy steps. i am checking things go as smooth as possible and investigating on probable issues we may come across. any help apreciated. I've read about grldr (grub for nt), is |
| 04:00.59 | encompass | ever since 386 right? |
| 04:01.08 | Hugo | uses phyton too |
| 04:01.19 | EdLin | encompass: you can multithread on any processor assuming your OS supports it. |
| 04:01.32 | Kevin` | I use a multithreaded program on my router... mostly because of lazy programming |
| 04:01.36 | encompass | kh7v7 are you having probs if you don't have lba started in the bios |
| 04:01.41 | ethan-allison | kh7v7: yes and no - you just have to configure grub to have xp show up |
| 04:01.45 | EdLin | encompass: in fact one can multithread, in a brain-dead fashion, when your OS doesn't support multitasking |
| 04:01.47 | encompass | but that can be easily fixed |
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| 04:02.23 | eXa_bOy | how do i get postfix to start on boot? |
| 04:02.28 | encompass | look man, I am jsut learning bash, after I have learn batch, I will worry about multithreading when my code breaks 100 lines |
| 04:02.29 | encompass | look man, I am jsut learning bash, after I have learn batch, I will worry about multithreading when my code breaks 100 lines |
| 04:02.30 | encompass | haha |
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| 04:03.30 | eXa_bOy | anyone? |
| 04:03.33 | Kevin` | how soon will stable be replaced? |
| 04:03.33 | kh7v7 | ethan-allison, encompass: see thing is, the installer 9at least on non expert mode, perhaps this is oe of my faults) doesnt give much of a choise. only asks where to install grub... |
| 04:03.43 | ethan-allison | MBR |
| 04:03.57 | Hugo | lilo? |
| 04:04.41 | encompass | grub is the way man... but she can't get into windows? |
| 04:04.56 | Kevin` | grub can start windows fine |
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| 04:05.03 | Kevin` | easier then lilo |
| 04:05.27 | encompass | Kevin` not all the time |
| 04:05.28 | Kevin` | (imo) |
| 04:06.01 | Kevin` | I like to be able to carry around a boot disk that can load anything |
| 04:06.16 | encompass | some systems even new ones have bios changes that need to be made or the system won't go past the first bla bla sectors for a look at the windows chainload |
| 04:06.33 | encompass | kevin what do you mean? |
| 04:07.08 | Kevin` | a disk I can stick into a given computer, and load a linux kernel somewhere on it, or boot windows, etc |
| 04:07.36 | encompass | I use knoppix std for the linux stuff but windows I have never seen on a cd, I don't think it can |
| 04:07.44 | Hugo | fdisk and select the partition for active of the system |
| 04:07.55 | kh7v7 | I read some stories on some places on the net ( forums mostly ) from users not being able to boot after the install. see my main concern is her windoz box xp partition is not the first one. this is one of those hp pavillion sys that have a sys bac k up on a spare partition and are not even shiped with a restore cd.... ohhh btw, we are installing sarge ( or will be) on a new HD (/dev/hdb) |
| 04:08.09 | Kevin` | encompass I wrote windows to a cd.. it didn't like bieng readonly and only got to dos mode |
| 04:08.13 | Kevin` | (wind98) |
| 04:08.26 | encompass | kh7v7 exactly... make sure she has lba turned on in the bios |
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| 04:08.37 | kh7v7 | neat |
| 04:09.02 | [Cadet] | Is he still alive? |
| 04:09.13 | Kevin` | what won't work without lba? |
| 04:09.14 | kh7v7 | so u think grldr is not needed? |
| 04:09.20 | encompass | Kevin` you might as well had the widows recovery cd |
| 04:09.21 | EdLin | !u |
| 04:09.21 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 04:09.36 | Kevin` | encompass I suppose I did, :) |
| 04:09.42 | encompass | booting to the second partition as windows |
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| 04:10.32 | Kevin` | should make a cd that loads X, then starts a windows image in qemu |
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| 04:10.38 | encompass | it happened to me on a HP install I did at my linux club |
| 04:10.44 | kh7v7 | see, my idea of using grldr instead of the reg grub is that this one would only require a fast mod to boot.ini and then if something went wrong that could be tweaked back but then, I dontknow how relible grldr might be. |
| 04:10.51 | encompass | was pretty embarrasing but got it working by the end of the day |
| 04:11.23 | Hugo | sure |
| 04:11.25 | kh7v7 | btw, I am on PPC which makes things a bit more difficult for me to test. hus the many q's |
| 04:11.35 | encompass | kh7v7 I don't even know what that is, so if you have a prob with it, how much help will you get |
| 04:11.35 | encompass | kh7v7 I don't even know what that is, so if you have a prob with it, how much help will you get |
| 04:11.36 | kh7v7 | thus even |
| 04:11.46 | Kevin` | ppc is mac |
| 04:11.52 | kh7v7 | yeah |
| 04:11.55 | kh7v7 | darge ppc |
| 04:12.02 | kh7v7 | sarge |
| 04:12.02 | encompass | darge? |
| 04:12.08 | encompass | there ya go |
| 04:12.08 | encompass | there ya go |
| 04:12.32 | encompass | I was thinking... oh great another breakoff of debian |
| 04:13.03 | kh7v7 | lol |
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| 04:13.08 | kh7v7 | typo |
| 04:13.14 | encompass | luckily |
| 04:13.36 | eXa_bOy | encompass, do you run postfix? |
| 04:13.40 | kh7v7 | this is the link for grldr http://sarovar.org/projects/grub4dos/ |
| 04:13.53 | Hugo | testing is goog |
| 04:13.57 | Kevin` | I want to get a mac, but then i'd be tempted to use os X instead of linux.. and the price |
| 04:14.03 | kh7v7 | knoppix ppl use it to install the live cd on top of an ntfs |
| 04:14.05 | kh7v7 | no changes made |
| 04:14.05 | kh7v7 | no changes made |
| 04:14.23 | kh7v7 | Kevin` u can have both |
| 04:14.29 | Hugo | I used kurumin |
| 04:14.30 | kh7v7 | OSX is kewl as heck too |
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| 04:14.57 | encompass | Kevin` you have to much money if your going to buy a mac, I use a 700mhz 128 ram lappy and am happy |
| 04:15.14 | Kevin` | "and the price" |
| 04:15.17 | Kevin` | this is why I don't have one |
| 04:15.22 | Kevin` | pc is cheaper |
| 04:15.59 | EdLin | alot of the OS X software is non-free as well. |
| 04:16.18 | kh7v7 | powerbooks (that is the g4 small ones) are mch cheaper to what you'd pay for an intel (or `86 that is) based one. |
| 04:16.30 | EdLin | of course, it's possible to dual-boot Linux on a Mac |
| 04:16.48 | ethan-allison | Kevin`: hacked linux kernel with OS X drivers and an integrated X-aqua desktop ;) |
| 04:16.53 | Kevin` | or install linux software in os x |
| 04:17.05 | ethan-allison | Kevin`: no. my idea is better |
| 04:17.11 | Hugo | yes, in two partitions |
| 04:17.12 | servus | Does that actually exist, ethan-allison? |
| 04:17.21 | Kevin` | yes it is, it sounds fun |
| 04:17.25 | kh7v7 | EdLin you can use XDarwin or X11, apple's Xfree. from there install any app. fink mantains a really long collection of ports to mostly any app linux runs |
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| 04:17.33 | dli | what's the easiest way to allow nfs clients from 172.16.*.* ? |
| 04:18.14 | encompass | besides, they are moving tointel chips anyway, why switch to apple now |
| 04:18.14 | encompass | besides, they are moving tointel chips anyway, why switch to apple now |
| 04:18.18 | Kevin` | #/testing 192.168.0.0/24(rw,all_squash) |
| 04:18.26 | xfan | allow nfs clients from 172.16.0.0 |
| 04:18.28 | servus | iptables -I INPUT 1 --source 172.16.0.0/16 -j ACCEPT |
| 04:18.29 | servus | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:18.33 | Kevin` | change the 24 though |
| 04:18.42 | servus | Just kidding, don't do that :) |
| 04:18.45 | dli | Kevin`, also in hosts.allow ? |
| 04:19.01 | Kevin` | dli I allow all in hosts.allow |
| 04:19.05 | Kevin` | but |
| 04:19.05 | Kevin` | yes |
| 04:19.05 | Kevin` | but |
| 04:19.05 | Kevin` | yes |
| 04:19.34 | dli | Kevin`, maybe I will do that, let iptables to handle security |
| 04:20.00 | EdLin | !tell Kevin` -about enter |
| 04:20.07 | Kevin` | dli nfs needs so many ports and stuff that iptables might be too much work |
| 04:20.23 | Kevin` | ya ya EdLin :/ |
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| 04:20.42 | mattfury | w00t!!! Q4 released!!! :D |
| 04:20.57 | Kevin` | quake? |
| 04:21.01 | dli | Kevin`, I mean I will allow everything in hosts.deny, and iptables would allow all traffic from the internal interface |
| 04:21.05 | The_Ball | like two days ago |
| 04:21.09 | mattfury | ... |
| 04:21.16 | mattfury | i have the torrent. |
| 04:21.24 | mattfury | will buy it. |
| 04:21.26 | dli | Kevin`, iptables only allows ssh incoming on the public interface |
| 04:21.27 | Kevin` | dli that's what I do |
| 04:21.34 | dli | Kevin`, great |
| 04:22.50 | mattfury | The_Ball: i hope there's some copies left. or i wont bother. |
| 04:23.13 | encompass | How do I do an INPUT $string in bash? |
| 04:23.26 | The_Ball | mattfury, well the download is 10gb |
| 04:23.27 | Kevin` | why would you buy it if you have the torrent |
| 04:23.35 | Kevin` | encompass read |
| 04:23.43 | mattfury | The_Ball: 2.6gb |
| 04:23.46 | dli | Kevin`, I still got, connect from 172.16.0.6 to getport(nfs): request from unauthorized host |
| 04:24.59 | sancho___ | anyone familar with the trustees package? I installed it (via APT) and can't find more information on where to go from there... |
| 04:25.24 | Kevin` | dli this is what I use http://kwzs.dyndns.org/pb?82 |
| 04:25.43 | Kevin` | don't hack me ;) |
| 04:26.16 | mae | Is there a way you can cause all file/dir creations in a given dir to have a certain umask and owner:group |
| 04:26.23 | dli | ke6isf, no :( it's illegal here :) |
| 04:26.31 | dli | ke6isf, strange |
| 04:26.33 | din | gn |
| 04:26.45 | dli | ke6isf, I got the error message from portmap |
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| 04:27.05 | eXa_bOy | can someone tell me how to get postfix to start on boot? |
| 04:27.08 | shimano55 | Where can I find the kernel source on the latest version of Debian? |
| 04:27.17 | kh7v7 | when I upgraded to sarge in one machine, and installed on another, my terms were broken. stuff like the shell works fine so does emacs but things like nano or centericq will take my backspace as del. things work fine on local console. TERM over an ssh connection reports xterm-color. any hints? this used to work fine when I had woodie. |
| 04:27.26 | Kevin` | shimano55 apt |
| 04:27.31 | dli | Kevin`, oh, you do use ltsp, one guy asked about ltsp + mosix on Monday |
| 04:27.40 | The_Ball | shimano55, check what you are running with uname -a |
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| 04:27.59 | sancho___ | shimano55: kernel-source package |
| 04:28.02 | Kevin` | ltsp+[open]mosix is a neat idea |
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| 04:28.07 | Kevin` | I should do that |
| 04:28.07 | Kevin` | I should do that |
| 04:28.31 | kh7v7 | shimano55 : aptitude then / kernel brose from there look in virtaul packs might be the easiest way. |
| 04:28.34 | sancho___ | Kevin`: LTSP is really cool, I never got far enuf along to get clustering going with it though. |
| 04:29.28 | shimano55 | Kevin`, The_Ball, sancho___, kh7v7: sorry. I was unclear. I am looking for where the files are located by default. I need the localtion to install my video driver. |
| 04:29.37 | eXa_bOy | bah |
| 04:29.37 | eXa_bOy | bah |
| 04:29.55 | Kevin` | shimano55 /usr/src/linux |
| 04:29.55 | kh7v7 | shimano55 : /usr/src |
| 04:29.56 | kh7v7 | shimano55 : /usr/src |
| 04:29.57 | The_Ball | shimano55, check /usr/src |
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| 04:30.11 | sancho___ | shimano55: if you install the kernel-source, you'll fin d the tarball under /usr/src. You can extract it out and symlink it to /usr/src/linux |
| 04:30.40 | datallah | nobody has any ideas about my ide_scsi problem? |
| 04:30.48 | eXa_bOy | what file do i need to edit to get postfix to start on boot? |
| 04:31.02 | Kevin` | datallah cd burner with 2.4 kernel? |
| 04:31.04 | kh7v7 | on kernel 2.6 build dir might be anywhere tho. so check on that. |
| 04:31.05 | takatumi | shimano55: kernel-headers will probably do. |
| 04:31.05 | takatumi | shimano55: kernel-headers will probably do. |
| 04:31.18 | Kevin` | Kevin`:/usr/src# ln -s linux-2.6.13.3 linux |
| 04:31.25 | shimano55 | Kevin`, The_Ball, sancho___, kh7v7: what if its not there? |
| 04:31.45 | Kevin` | shimano55 it is not there in a default install |
| 04:31.51 | takatumi | shimano55: which module? |
| 04:32.07 | datallah | Kevin`: no, 2.6.12. I can't get ide_scsi to go away (i even deleted ide_scsi.ko) |
| 04:32.24 | shimano55 | takatumi, module? what do u mean? sry, im a little new |
| 04:32.36 | sancho___ | has anyone used the trustees package? Anyone know what needs to be done to get the kernel module and trustees binary after an installation from APT? |
| 04:32.38 | kh7v7 | make menuconfig (only if the whole kernel source is available) will tell in its las menus where the config is planning to do the build. |
| 04:32.44 | kh7v7 | else |
| 04:32.48 | takatumi | shimano55: the video driver, which one? |
| 04:32.48 | takatumi | shimano55: the video driver, which one? |
| 04:32.49 | sancho___ | shimano: did you install kernel-sources? |
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| 04:33.10 | shimano55 | takatumi, its Nvidia |
| 04:33.12 | kh7v7 | just get kernel-base, kernel-headers packs and use those (in dirs we just mentioned) |
| 04:33.14 | Kevin` | datallah as I have no modules that contain "ide" or "scsi", dunno |
| 04:33.29 | takatumi | shimano55: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 04:33.43 | encompass | see you guys |
| 04:33.53 | Kevin` | !tell me about nvidia one-liner |
| 04:33.55 | datallah | Kevin`: yeah... i'm getting to the where i'm going to rebuild the kernel and blow it away |
| 04:34.26 | Kevin` | whoa that's a long line |
| 04:35.02 | ethan-allison | !tell me about nvidia one-liner |
| 04:35.13 | Kevin` | !tell me about non-free sources |
| 04:35.36 | cheal | !tell Kevin` about msg the bot |
| 04:35.49 | Kevin` | heh |
| 04:36.40 | takatumi | the dlink wifi card dwl-g650 (atheros based) works great in debian with the madwifi drivers, the only hassle, the frigging blinking lights on the card. (it's not a debian issue either, it just blinks) |
| 04:37.13 | Kevin` | takatumi soldering iron |
| 04:37.13 | Kevin` | :) |
| 04:37.13 | Kevin` | takatumi soldering iron |
| 04:37.13 | Kevin` | :) |
| 04:37.27 | kh7v7 | he |
| 04:37.32 | takatumi | solder what? the lights? |
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| 04:38.24 | Kevin` | or just tape over the light, as removing it could leave incomplete circuit |
| 04:39.05 | sancho___ | I wish my biggest worry in life was that lights on my card blinked. ;) |
| 04:39.09 | kh7v7 | no idea about my terms? |
| 04:39.09 | kh7v7 | no idea about my terms? |
| 04:39.36 | takatumi | sancho___: it's very eye catchy, not necessarily the biggest. :) |
| 04:39.51 | takatumi | kh7v7: what terms? |
| 04:39.55 | Hugo | good evening |
| 04:40.04 | takatumi | Hugo: good morning |
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| 04:40.15 | Kevin` | mine doesn't have lights, but isn't atheros based.. a big trade off :( |
| 04:40.21 | kh7v7 | del - back space broken. on nano and a few other apps. not so in the shell. |
| 04:40.35 | kh7v7 | all works fine under console |
| 04:40.40 | takatumi | kh7v7: is it debian or debian based? |
| 04:40.45 | kh7v7 | sarge |
| 04:40.54 | kh7v7 | used to work fine on woody |
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| 04:41.38 | kh7v7 | funny ssh connection say TERM is xterm-color |
| 04:41.49 | kh7v7 | is that right? |
| 04:42.12 | Kevin` | screen |
| 04:42.16 | Kevin` | heh |
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| 04:43.58 | dli | Kevin`, it works if I put, ALL: 172.16. at the beginning of hosts.allow |
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| 04:44.35 | dli | Kevin`, I think it happens because I'm running bastille firewall, it mantaines a default deny rule for tcpd |
| 04:44.36 | tomsdimension | why is it when my computer gets to "checking module dependencies" it reboots itself? |
| 04:44.37 | tomsdimension | why is it when my computer gets to "checking module dependencies" it reboots itself? |
| 04:45.06 | Kevin` | it's bork |
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| 04:45.37 | kh7v7 | later ppl, have fun |
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| 04:45.39 | tomsdimension | whats broke? |
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| 04:45.39 | tomsdimension | whats broke? |
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| 04:47.58 | eXa_bOy | whats the best way to add email aliases to postfix? |
| 04:48.32 | SimonRaven | with an editor |
| 04:49.14 | eXa_bOy | einstine... |
| 04:49.28 | eXa_bOy | hold on.. its .db |
| 04:49.28 | eXa_bOy | hold on.. its .db |
| 04:49.37 | SimonRaven | 'einstein' |
| 04:49.56 | eXa_bOy | is this the right on? /etc/aliases.db |
| 04:50.18 | eXa_bOy | *one |
| 04:50.40 | SimonRaven | what do the docs say it is? |
| 04:50.54 | eXa_bOy | trying to find the doc |
| 04:51.32 | SimonRaven | start with a) man pages, b) /usr/share/doc/<package> |
| 04:52.12 | eXa_bOy | well /usr/share/doc/postfix is usless... |
| 04:52.12 | eXa_bOy | well /usr/share/doc/postfix is usless... |
| 04:52.50 | ke6isf | eXa_bOy: edit /etc/postfix/aliases, and then run postalias. |
| 04:53.24 | eXa_bOy | will do |
| 04:53.49 | ke6isf | eXa_bOy: Note that you will want to run postalias while in /etc/postfix. |
| 04:54.03 | eXa_bOy | there is no /etc/postfix/aliases |
| 04:54.26 | ke6isf | eXa_bOy: There has to be. |
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| 04:54.36 | ke6isf | eXa_bOy: When did you install postfix? |
| 04:54.48 | eXa_bOy | nope... yesterday |
| 04:55.02 | ke6isf | eXa_bOy: What version of Debian? |
| 04:55.08 | sgeigerbot | On a new debootstrap install I have an odd situation: "fdisk /dev/hda" doesn't work. "Unable to open...." What might cause that? The root filesystem is on that device. |
| 04:55.08 | sgeigerbot | On a new debootstrap install I have an odd situation: "fdisk /dev/hda" doesn't work. "Unable to open...." What might cause that? The root filesystem is on that device. |
| 04:55.10 | eXa_bOy | sarge |
| 04:55.13 | sgeigerbot | (/dev/hda1) |
| 04:55.27 | ke6isf | eXa_bOy: That file should exist. Do 'locate aliases'. |
| 04:55.48 | eXa_bOy | /etc/aliases |
| 04:55.48 | eXa_bOy | /etc/aliases.db |
| 04:56.03 | eXa_bOy | that sucker? ;) |
| 04:56.23 | ke6isf | eXa_bOy: Hmm... odd that it's not in /etc/postfix. No matter. Edit /etc/aliases. |
| 04:56.23 | ke6isf | eXa_bOy: Hmm... odd that it's not in /etc/postfix. No matter. Edit /etc/aliases. |
| 04:57.02 | sgeigerbot | Actually, the error message was something like "Unable to open hda" or "unable to open device" |
| 04:57.21 | ke6isf | SimonRaven: What I'm thinking of might be one of those Mandrake brain artifacts or something - Mandrake puts it there in the RPMs, and my main.cf will as such make sure they are in /etc/postfix. |
| 04:58.04 | eXa_bOy | SimonRaven i didnt move it |
| 04:58.07 | ke6isf | sgeigerbot: What is the *exact* error? |
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| 04:58.33 | SimonRaven | *nods*. i'm thinking /etc/ because it's a 50% chance it's lying around in there, instead of /etc/<MTA> |
| 04:58.33 | SimonRaven | *nods*. i'm thinking /etc/ because it's a 50% chance it's lying around in there, instead of /etc/<MTA> |
| 04:58.44 | ke6isf | eXa_bOy: See my comment to SimonRaven. Where it lives might just be an install thing, and the /etc/postfix/ bit I was griping about is peculiar. |
| 04:58.44 | ke6isf | eXa_bOy: See my comment to SimonRaven. Where it lives might just be an install thing, and the /etc/postfix/ bit I was griping about is peculiar. |
| 04:58.52 | SimonRaven | eXa_bOy: i didn't say you moved it. |
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| 04:59.21 | SimonRaven | if i meant you, i would have said /me bets eXa_bOy moved it to /etc |
| 04:59.26 | aris_ | what particular config line un postfix - main.cf will i use if iwant my lookup table is locate in LDAP server? |
| 04:59.39 | ke6isf | SimonRaven: Well, it's *always* somewhere in /etc. =^^= |
| 04:59.39 | ke6isf | SimonRaven: Well, it's *always* somewhere in /etc. =^^= |
| 04:59.40 | eXa_bOy | fair enough :) |
| 04:59.46 | eXa_bOy | ok ive edited the file |
| 04:59.51 | eXa_bOy | now to postalias? |
| 04:59.55 | SimonRaven | as a sub-dr silly ;p |
| 04:59.55 | SimonRaven | as a sub-dr silly ;p |
| 04:59.58 | SimonRaven | dir* |
| 04:59.59 | ke6isf | eXa_bOy: Yes. |
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| 05:00.11 | eXa_bOy | form the /etc/postfix dir? |
| 05:00.11 | eXa_bOy | form the /etc/postfix dir? |
| 05:00.14 | SimonRaven | never mind me, i'm about to go to sleep |
| 05:00.22 | ke6isf | eXa_bOy: Since it's in /etc, do it in /etc. |
| 05:00.28 | ke6isf | Sleep well, SimonRaven |
| 05:00.29 | eXa_bOy | ok |
| 05:00.29 | eXa_bOy | ok |
| 05:00.33 | eXa_bOy | nice SimonRaven |
| 05:00.36 | eXa_bOy | nite |
| 05:00.36 | SimonRaven | thanks |
| 05:00.36 | eXa_bOy | nite |
| 05:00.36 | SimonRaven | thanks |
| 05:00.42 | aris_ | what particular config line un postfix - main.cf will i use if iwant my lookup table is locate in LDAP server? |
| 05:00.42 | aris_ | what particular config line un postfix - main.cf will i use if iwant my lookup table is locate in LDAP server? |
| 05:00.52 | ke6isf | !tell aris_ -about repeat |
| 05:01.22 | aris_ | ke6isf, sorry |
| 05:01.26 | eXa_bOy | ke6isf what parameters will i need with postalias |
| 05:01.43 | ke6isf | eXa_bOy: If you need anything, it would be the name of the file. 'postalias aliases' in this case. |
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| 05:01.52 | eXa_bOy | ok thanks |
| 05:02.13 | SimonRaven | i have to sit through this lonf tetex upgrade before i can... |
| 05:02.19 | SimonRaven | long* |
| 05:02.19 | SimonRaven | long* |
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| 05:02.33 | ke6isf | SimonRaven: Aw jeez.... |
| 05:02.55 | eXa_bOy | ok did that ke6isf, do i need to restart postfix |
| 05:03.18 | SimonRaven | it's that fricking upgrade to 3.x ... unpacking a crapload of files, putting in versions.. *sigh* |
| 05:03.21 | ke6isf | eXa_bOy: You shouldn't have to; the daemon should reread the change within seconds of postalias running. |
| 05:03.21 | ke6isf | eXa_bOy: You shouldn't have to; the daemon should reread the change within seconds of postalias running. |
| 05:03.29 | SimonRaven | in new* |
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| 05:03.47 | eXa_bOy | goto sleep already SimonRaven :P |
| 05:03.59 | SimonRaven | blah |
| 05:04.32 | SimonRaven | prfis |
| 05:04.32 | eXa_bOy | raven cause you like the ravens or that was the name you were given? |
| 05:04.48 | SimonRaven | personal reasons |
| 05:04.52 | eXa_bOy | kk |
| 05:04.52 | eXa_bOy | kk |
| 05:05.29 | SimonRaven | one thing i feel i can say is that it picked me, not me it |
| 05:05.30 | eXa_bOy | on the topic of ravens im currently watching the week 5 game lions vs ravens... great game thus far.. 4th to go |
| 05:06.12 | eXa_bOy | does your senior jersey have it on the back? |
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| 05:06.33 | eXa_bOy | do americans *get* senior jerseys? |
| 05:06.37 | SimonRaven | 'night |
| 05:06.56 | eXa_bOy | lol, night |
| 05:06.57 | SimonRaven | *shrug*. i don't watch sports |
| 05:06.57 | SimonRaven | *shrug*. i don't watch sports |
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| 05:07.02 | eXa_bOy | ok |
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| 05:07.15 | eXa_bOy | ooh btw thanks for your help |
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| 05:07.28 | eXa_bOy | ke6isf you too! much appreciated |
| 05:07.38 | ke6isf | eXa_bOy: Gladly. |
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| 05:11.37 | eXa_bOy | ke6isf you a java boy? |
| 05:11.37 | eXa_bOy | ke6isf you a java boy? |
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| 05:14.36 | matadon | You know, I like my shiny new Powerbook, but I don't know if I could run OSX on my actual desktop. |
| 05:15.26 | matadon | My 'ancient' Athlon XP 1.8GHz machine feels much more responsive than my laptop. |
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| 05:17.02 | luci0 | /etc/profile.d/lang.sh? |
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| 05:21.11 | vortek | whats that dummy package to install xwindows again |
| 05:21.34 | vortek | Guys wanna here something funny ... In windows I get a 24.* ip adde ALL THE TIME I booted up sarge and I got a 71.* ADDE |
| 05:21.45 | vortek | and some times irc servers kick me saying I got a spoofed ip |
| 05:21.45 | vortek | lol |
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| 05:22.12 | cheal | !xwindows |
| 05:22.12 | dpkg | from memory, xwindows is NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, The X Window System, X11R6, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap |
| 05:22.13 | dpkg | from memory, xwindows is NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, The X Window System, X11R6, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap |
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| 05:22.32 | vortek | hrm |
| 05:23.08 | cheal | vortek: if you mean a meta package, you may think about x-window-system[-core] |
| 05:23.16 | Kevin` | vortek |
| 05:23.21 | Kevin` | ping: unknown host 71-10-4-15.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com |
| 05:23.21 | Kevin` | ping: unknown host 71-10-4-15.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com |
| 05:23.25 | Kevin` | ;o |
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| 05:24.58 | vortek | you cant ping it for real ? |
| 05:25.02 | vortek | or kidding |
| 05:25.03 | vortek | ? |
| 05:25.03 | vortek | ? |
| 05:25.20 | Kevin` | real |
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| 05:25.29 | servus | I can ping the hostname. It resolves to 71.10.4.15, oddly enough. |
| 05:25.43 | Evil_Pink_Robot | hi guys, in kernel 2.6.12 is the usb-storage device susystem the same as before? |
| 05:25.48 | Kevin` | servus Heh |
| 05:25.51 | eXa_bOy | what do i need to install KDE? apt-get install x-windows-base kde |
| 05:25.51 | Evil_Pink_Robot | i'm having trouble accessing my removable usb hdd |
| 05:26.07 | servus | apt-get install usbmount ? |
| 05:26.09 | Evil_Pink_Robot | eXa_bOy: just apt-get install x-window-sytem kde will work |
| 05:26.09 | Evil_Pink_Robot | eXa_bOy: just apt-get install x-window-sytem kde will work |
| 05:26.16 | eXa_bOy | ta |
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| 05:26.26 | vortek | I'd like to figure out what in debian helped me go from 24.* to 71.* |
| 05:26.35 | servus | vortek: What is your ISP? |
| 05:26.38 | vortek | i know it recomended the host name as my ip also |
| 05:26.38 | vortek | i know it recomended the host name as my ip also |
| 05:26.41 | Evil_Pink_Robot | servus: i apt-got usbmount and it registered a bunch of stuff in /media/ |
| 05:26.41 | vortek | charter.net |
| 05:26.41 | vortek | lol |
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| 05:26.52 | vortek | servus : Every one around here has a 24.* ip |
| 05:26.52 | vortek | servus : Every one around here has a 24.* ip |
| 05:26.58 | servus | mount -a ? |
| 05:26.58 | vortek | I do in windows all the time too |
| 05:27.18 | vortek | servus : but during the debian install when it asked for my host name strange the 71 ip was in there lol |
| 05:27.23 | servus | vortek: Dunno. Check your /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 05:27.50 | Evil_Pink_Robot | servus: i don't have a usb entry in my /etc/fstab, since the drive is empty i have no idea if i'm writing anything to it because the /media/usb0 direcotory is empty |
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| 05:28.24 | vortek | servus: looks normal |
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| 05:28.27 | Coweater | vortek: nothing would've done that, it's just an ip in your isp's range and you got assigned it |
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| 05:28.40 | vortek | Coweater : No one has an ip like this out here |
| 05:28.44 | vortek | Coweater : there all 24.*'s |
| 05:28.51 | Coweater | you do |
| 05:28.52 | vortek | Coweater : it only happens when I boot to linux |
| 05:28.52 | vortek | Coweater : it only happens when I boot to linux |
| 05:29.01 | vortek | Coweater : and also undernet says im spoofing my ip |
| 05:29.08 | akusarujin_ | anyone know why smbmount would fail saying 'operation not permitted' when it's suid root and the fstab contains 'user' as an option? |
| 05:29.14 | vortek | Coweater : its something not normal |
| 05:30.03 | servus | Dunno. I need sleep. Night :) |
| 05:30.07 | Coweater | you are in michigan correct? |
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| 05:30.24 | vortek | yeah |
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| 05:30.35 | vortek | Coweater : Every one out here gets a 24.* ip always has |
| 05:30.46 | Kevin` | vortek could you do me a favor and telnet 69.95.141.171 on port 10205 |
| 05:31.07 | vortek | Coweater : I know its not normal cause when ever I connect to certian uworld servers they say my ip is spoofed they don't do that on the 24. |
| 05:31.11 | vortek | Kevin` why lol |
| 05:31.24 | Kevin` | to see what it says for ip, host |
| 05:31.31 | Skiver | hey, how do i switch back to use xserver-xfree86 ? the apt-get somehow install xserver-xorg for during upgrade. |
| 05:31.45 | jm_ | why would you switch back? |
| 05:32.04 | vortek | Kevin` : got it |
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| 05:32.05 | vortek | ? |
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| 05:32.36 | Kevin` | vortek inverse host lookup didn't work |
| 05:32.47 | Kevin` | dunno if some irc servers will ban for that |
| 05:32.55 | vortek | inverse you mean reverse ? |
| 05:32.58 | Skiver | jm_ : because no matter how i set, the mouse scroll won't work. |
| 05:33.13 | Kevin` | vortek yes |
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| 05:33.25 | Coweater | probably explains it, contact the isp |
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| 05:33.55 | madradrone | anyone have any ideas why passwd for a user in a restricted shell gives "passwd: Authentication token lock busy" error? |
| 05:33.55 | madradrone | anyone have any ideas why passwd for a user in a restricted shell gives "passwd: Authentication token lock busy" error? |
| 05:34.32 | madradrone | i'm guessing some essential command is missing from the restricted ~/bin |
| 05:34.58 | Kevin` | restricted = chroot? |
| 05:35.35 | madradrone | Kevin`: not chroot, but only accessible bin is stuff in ~/bin |
| 05:35.41 | Goianinho | oi |
| 05:36.00 | Goianinho | porra ta todo mundo calado o q e ? |
| 05:36.07 | Kevin` | so the actual shell program is restricted? |
| 05:36.14 | bushito | ,,, |
| 05:36.16 | madradrone | Kevin`: in a sense it is chroot, inasmuch as all the essential stuff must be in there |
| 05:36.16 | Kevin` | what if they upload their own shell |
| 05:36.16 | Kevin` | what if they upload their own shell |
| 05:36.17 | bushito | viejo |
| 05:36.20 | bushito | esto es un chat para ingles |
| 05:36.29 | bushito | =P el de espaniol esta en debian-es |
| 05:36.31 | bushito | barbaro |
| 05:36.33 | Skiver | mouse scroll, where can i set to enable it ? |
| 05:36.46 | vortek | how do you install xserver-xorg |
| 05:36.49 | vortek | its not in dselect lol |
| 05:36.50 | vortek | its not in dselect lol |
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| 05:36.59 | madradrone | Kevin`: login is set to rbash, and .bashrc is not writeable by user, and restricts PATH to ~/bin |
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| 05:37.13 | bushito | =P vortek: /msg dpkg xorg |
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| 05:37.36 | jm_ | Skiver: did you use the right protocol? |
| 05:37.37 | vortek | k |
| 05:37.56 | Kevin` | madradrone echo "{escape codes for normal bash binary}" >~/bin/bash |
| 05:37.59 | madradrone | Kevin`: the only commands we want people to be able to use are ssh and paswd |
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| 05:38.20 | Skiver | jm_ : psaux. like last time in xfree86. |
| 05:38.20 | Skiver | jm_ : psaux. like last time in xfree86. |
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| 05:38.23 | matadon | madradrone: You forgot rm. ;P |
| 05:38.24 | vortek | how unstable is etch right now currently ehhehe |
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| 05:38.56 | jm_ | Skiver: that's a device, not a protocol |
| 05:39.26 | madradrone | matadon: what need for rm? |
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| 05:40.46 | Skiver | i've already did everything i can in dpkg-reconfigure |
| 05:40.59 | Skiver | let me restart. |
| 05:41.05 | madradrone | Kevin`: what are the escape codes? |
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| 05:41.56 | Kevin` | madradrone to print it here would be 4 times longer then the actual binary.. I just mean the binary in an escaped form |
| 05:42.19 | Kevin` | plus I can't find the little program I made to do such things |
| 05:42.48 | madradrone | Kevin`: you mean all the escape codes that can be used in a prompt, like \ |
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| 05:42.59 | Kevin` | yes |
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| 05:43.07 | madradrone | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:43.19 | Kevin` | however, it would be easier to use ssh to copy it |
| 05:43.23 | Kevin` | :) |
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| 05:44.01 | Kevin` | (ssh user@anywherelinux cat /bin/bash >~/bin/bash ) |
| 05:45.08 | madradrone | Kevin`: but /bin/rbash is set in /etc/passwd for the user. do i need this? |
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| 05:45.34 | Kevin` | i've never used rbash |
| 05:45.54 | Kevin` | I suppose depending on how evil it is some of that wouldn't work |
| 05:46.10 | jim | is rbash a restricted shell like the one sendmail uses? |
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| 05:46.54 | Kevin` | madradrone I feel sorry for your users, in the end ;) |
| 05:46.56 | p3rti | hi all |
| 05:46.57 | madradrone | man rbash |
| 05:47.01 | Skiver | great. it works now. |
| 05:47.13 | Skiver | does xorg still using .xsession file like xfree86 ? |
| 05:47.19 | Skiver | or there's another ? |
| 05:47.19 | madradrone | Kevin`: well, i am one of the users. this is an ultra-secure gateway box we have. we only want ssh and passwd to work |
| 05:47.19 | Skiver | or there's another ? |
| 05:47.19 | madradrone | Kevin`: well, i am one of the users. this is an ultra-secure gateway box we have. we only want ssh and passwd to work |
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| 05:47.49 | jm_ | it largely depends on how you start X - default X session init scripts should still honour .xsession |
| 05:48.05 | Kevin` | madradrone i'm reading rbash restrictions now |
| 05:48.19 | p3rti | how are all |
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| 05:49.21 | p3rti | i have a little question... what its the best configuration on us robotics sporter external modem to connect to internet.. i had to move the pin's on back of modem to connect. |
| 05:49.25 | drzoot|laptop | hello all, does anyone know if theres some sort of process wrapper so that when the child process dies the parent restarts it? |
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| 05:49.31 | madradrone | Kevin`: the way to use it is to set rbash in passwd, then have ~/.bashrc chowned to root only, and set PATH there to ~/bin and put the binaries you wan the user to have in there |
| 05:49.37 | Kevin` | madradrone if you want an ultra ultra secure gateway, use a stripped down user-mode linux with only ssh, passwd, sshd, and direct dependencies |
| 05:49.41 | Kevin` | and use rbash |
| 05:49.41 | Kevin` | :) |
| 05:49.41 | Kevin` | and use rbash |
| 05:49.41 | Kevin` | :) |
| 05:50.10 | mattpj | ok im having a bit of a problem i used synaptic package manager and i did mark all upgrades and now when i start up it goes to command line and when i try startx it dont work |
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| 05:50.19 | Kevin` | (I wonder if sshd would work if run as init) |
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| 05:51.03 | Kevin` | oh and run the usermode linux in a chroot with rbash.. ;) |
| 05:51.06 | mattpj | hello ? |
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| 05:51.38 | mattpj | i think something is wrong with x11 script somewhere |
| 05:51.42 | mattpj | still kinda new to linux |
| 05:51.42 | mattpj | still kinda new to linux |
| 05:51.45 | madradrone | mattpj: yeah |
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| 05:51.55 | madradrone | mattpj: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:52.01 | Kevin` | actually bash wouldn't be needed |
| 05:52.05 | mattpj | huh ? |
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| 05:52.28 | jim | mattpj: a good thing to do your first few times out, is to cd around, and try to get a feel for where things are |
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| 05:52.38 | jm_ | drzoot|laptop: init does that or various monitoring tools |
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| 05:52.54 | vortek | you put a .xinitrc and the name of the wm you want to run , in your ~/ dir correct ? |
| 05:53.26 | vortek | ahh i got it |
| 05:53.27 | vortek | exec |
| 05:53.29 | vortek | lol |
| 05:53.29 | vortek | lol |
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| 05:53.41 | laurens_ | hi. |
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| 05:53.51 | mattpj | jim: im not really trying to learn it at the moment im trying to get back my boot up so i have my kde running again |
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| 05:54.38 | mattpj | madradrone: whats that you wrote to me for ? |
| 05:54.43 | mattpj | like whats it do ? |
| 05:55.32 | roboo | my debian don't mount cd automaticly, what can i do to mount automaticly ? |
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| 05:56.02 | jim | mattpj: of course, linux/unix is historically about the command line... get to it when you can/want to... you'll be glad you did |
| 05:56.03 | p3rti | what about xorg? |
| 05:56.03 | p3rti | xserver-xorg |
| 05:56.03 | p3rti | its good? |
| 05:56.03 | p3rti | what about xorg? |
| 05:56.03 | p3rti | xserver-xorg |
| 05:56.03 | p3rti | its good? |
| 05:56.17 | jim | eeez goooood... |
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| 05:57.45 | p3rti | so? |
| 05:58.15 | NeCrOsYs | hi everybody |
| 05:58.54 | p3rti | hi |
| 05:58.54 | Skiver | how to i make a symlink for /dev/dvd ? |
| 05:59.03 | madradrone | Kevin`: that went over my head mostly. i've never played with UML |
| 05:59.10 | mattpj | jim: ive been using linux for a few months now on and off my problem is my graphical start up like i did a mark all upgrades with synaptic and now it starts run level 5 still but it dont boot graphical |
| 05:59.12 | cheal | Skiver: why do you want to? |
| 05:59.21 | mattpj | im runnign a boot cd right now or mepis |
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| 05:59.39 | Skiver | cheal : trying to pass all kaffeine requirements. |
| 05:59.52 | cheal | p3rti: what kind of answer do you expect? why are you asking? |
| 06:00.00 | p3rti | ln -s /dev/dvd andthenameoflink |
| 06:00.03 | Kevin` | madradrone it lets you essentially run a linux kernel in linux.. any programs run from it are restricted to that single process and filesystem image, like a virtual computer (only faster) |
| 06:00.03 | Kevin` | madradrone it lets you essentially run a linux kernel in linux.. any programs run from it are restricted to that single process and filesystem image, like a virtual computer (only faster) |
| 06:00.18 | jengelh | i'm trying to `apt-get install dhcp3-client` but it says "Package dhcp3-client is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source." |
| 06:00.25 | madradrone | Kevin`: and by sshd as init you mean ripping out all init process and just having boot to sshd? |
| 06:00.27 | Kevin` | also has some cool monitoring and networking options |
| 06:00.35 | cheal | Skiver: I didn't know kaffeine needed a symlink to that |
| 06:00.41 | Kevin` | madradrone yes.. just an idea, I have not tried it |
| 06:00.54 | p3rti | cheal i want to know what opinnion have the people about xserver-xorg. its recommend to install or not. |
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| 06:01.16 | p3rti | jstevens, try with apt-cache search dhcp3 |
| 06:01.17 | Skiver | brb |
| 06:01.28 | sep | p3rti, if you need an X server then yes. otherways no |
| 06:01.30 | p3rti | jstevens, then u get the real name of the package. |
| 06:01.51 | jengelh | only lists dhcp3-common and dhcp3-server; |
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| 06:02.06 | cheal | p3rti: as if you had alternatives? |
| 06:02.33 | p3rti | sep, i have already one xserver-xfree86 but i'm upgrading then i want to know if xserver-xorg its better.. |
| 06:02.41 | madradrone | Kevin`: the only need i have for something like that is to create a debian environment with debbootstrap which i chroot into |
| 06:02.54 | madradrone | Kevin`: no real need to have an actual kernel running |
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| 06:03.16 | Kevin` | madradrone extra security |
| 06:03.28 | cheal | p3rti: just use what your release has |
| 06:03.29 | sep | p3rti, it's the same thing with a new name, |
| 06:03.29 | sep | p3rti, it's the same thing with a new name, |
| 06:03.30 | madradrone | i see |
| 06:03.39 | jengelh | p3rti: only dhcp3-{server,common}, but http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/dhcp3-client exists, so it must be specifically "dhcp3-client" |
| 06:04.03 | madradrone | Kevin`: so run your daemons under UML and if it crashes or gets compromised it doesn't take everything down |
| 06:04.13 | Kevin` | madradrone if there were a flaw in rbash, or a misplaced program or edit, or ... , a user could do things you don't want them to |
| 06:04.13 | Kevin` | yes |
| 06:04.13 | Kevin` | madradrone if there were a flaw in rbash, or a misplaced program or edit, or ... , a user could do things you don't want them to |
| 06:04.13 | Kevin` | yes |
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| 06:04.35 | p3rti | so.. |
| 06:04.40 | madradrone | Kevin`: actually the next thing i want to start doing is using Xen for that kind of thing |
| 06:04.50 | p3rti | xserver-xfree86 and xorg are the same package? |
| 06:04.50 | p3rti | cheal, xserver-xorg not its newer and different from xserver-xfree86. |
| 06:04.50 | p3rti | xserver-xfree86 and xorg are the same package? |
| 06:04.50 | p3rti | cheal, xserver-xorg not its newer and different from xserver-xfree86. |
| 06:04.51 | p3rti | ok |
| 06:05.04 | p3rti | jengelh, and do u have the last update from the website? apt-get update? |
| 06:05.33 | jengelh | p3rti : ah now it's there :) |
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| 06:05.47 | madradrone | Kevin`: you never heard of xen? |
| 06:06.04 | dli | madradrone, zen? |
| 06:06.07 | Kevin` | oh i've probably heard of it, I just don't remember |
| 06:06.07 | Kevin` | oh i've probably heard of it, I just don't remember |
| 06:06.13 | p3rti | jengelh, :) |
| 06:06.19 | jengelh | ty |
| 06:06.24 | Kevin` | oh.. similar to qemu looks? |
| 06:06.32 | madradrone | Kevin`: yes |
| 06:06.45 | sep | p3rti, xorg is the new xserver xfree is the old one that got dropped for lisencing issues xorg is a fork from xfree. there wont be a newer xfree. so if you want to upgrade it's xorg or not upgrade. and you can probably find 1000 pages about the issues xfreevs xorg on google |
| 06:06.48 | madradrone | paravirtualization/hypervisor technology |
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| 06:07.07 | madradrone | dli: xen |
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| 06:07.17 | Kevin` | uml would be faster then a vitrualizer, although possibly less secure in some circumstances |
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| 06:07.44 | madradrone | there's a brand-new article on it too: http://www.linux-mag.com/content/view/2264/ |
| 06:07.55 | p3rti | sep, thanks a lot.. its clear for me now. |
| 06:08.05 | Skiver | great, |
| 06:08.10 | p3rti | sep, thanks. |
| 06:08.10 | p3rti | sep, thanks. |
| 06:08.16 | madradrone | Kevin`: supposedly there is very little performance hit with xen. it is fundamentally different than other VM technologies like vmware |
| 06:08.24 | Skiver | kaffeine won't work, xine also won't work. |
| 06:08.26 | p3rti | sep, and sorry for my english i'm from colombia. |
| 06:08.31 | helpme | help! i had loadshedding while synaptic was applying changes........now it says do dpkg something! |
| 06:08.57 | Kevin` | madradrone ya, looks like it needs os changes.. definitely gonna look into this more |
| 06:08.57 | Kevin` | madradrone ya, looks like it needs os changes.. definitely gonna look into this more |
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| 06:09.03 | encompass | ls |
| 06:09.06 | encompass | oops |
| 06:09.06 | encompass | haha |
| 06:09.07 | encompass | haha |
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| 06:09.14 | p3rti | Skiver, what type of error do u have? |
| 06:09.24 | jim | helpme: apt-get go go gadget something |
| 06:09.28 | p3rti | helpme, dpkg what? |
| 06:09.30 | encompass | p3rti your name means rock |
| 06:09.49 | helpme | uhh...dpkg - configure -a i think |
| 06:10.01 | Skiver | p3rti just hangs at the installation wizard.(kaff) |
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| 06:10.15 | dli | helpme, dpkg --configure -a |
| 06:10.32 | p3rti | encompass, what? |
| 06:10.34 | jim | helpme: seriously... you really need to be mroe specific :) Oh, dpkg --configure -a? ok, if you're reluctant, the best thing to do is find out what the man page says that does |
| 06:10.34 | jim | helpme: seriously... you really need to be mroe specific :) Oh, dpkg --configure -a? ok, if you're reluctant, the best thing to do is find out what the man page says that does |
| 06:10.34 | Skiver | something is seriously wrong with this xorg. |
| 06:10.41 | dli | any help from a FAI expert? |
| 06:10.46 | encompass | I installed all the enlightenment packages and I can't select it from the session menu... did I do something wrong? |
| 06:10.58 | jim | dli: /msg dpkg ask to ask |
| 06:11.00 | helpme | ok i typed that...now its configuring.....thanks! |
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| 06:11.05 | Skiver | anyway, what's a DVB device ? |
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| 06:11.20 | LinuxNewbie | hello there im trying to use samba as a file sever, im using XP clients, the change of domain went well i rebooted, but when i try to log in it gave me this error, "system cannot log you in due to the following, error a device attach to the system is not functioning" have you encountered this? |
| 06:11.23 | madradrone | Kevin`: look out for the new Intel VT cpu's |
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| 06:11.37 | jim | helpme: sometimes a cigar is just a cigar |
| 06:11.57 | LinuxNewbie | what do you think? |
| 06:12.07 | encompass | Skiver I think it is a Digital video boc |
| 06:12.10 | encompass | box |
| 06:12.15 | encompass | I google it... hint hint |
| 06:12.51 | LinuxNewbie | have you encountered it? on what i post above? |
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| 06:13.05 | madradrone | LinuxNewbie: what, exactly, does this have to do with #debian? |
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| 06:13.24 | Skiver | encompass : well kaffeine keeps looking for that device and crash ? |
| 06:13.29 | LinuxNewbie | maybe theres something in debian that coz it? |
| 06:13.35 | encompass | is there a channel just for getting your wireless working? |
| 06:13.39 | Skiver | i'm sure i don't have it. |
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| 06:13.59 | jim | LinuxNewbie: or maybe not :) |
| 06:14.10 | dli | encompass, apt-get install wireless-tools |
| 06:14.18 | jim | encompass: (surprise!) #wireless |
| 06:14.23 | madradrone | encompass: what card is it? |
| 06:15.22 | encompass | rtl8180 I have the driver installed, I have wireless tools, I can iwlist scan and see the networks, but I can't connect, even if it is not secure |
| 06:15.23 | LinuxNewbie | hhmmm? |
| 06:15.23 | LinuxNewbie | hhmmm? |
| 06:15.27 | p3rti | wow apt-get its the best that i know.. |
| 06:15.42 | encompass | go yum go bpbpbpbp ya right |
| 06:16.06 | jim | bee uh konveerrrsashun fallower! |
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| 06:16.22 | madradrone | encompass: can you assign an ap with iwconfig? |
| 06:16.38 | encompass | you mean the eissd? |
| 06:16.39 | encompass | yes |
| 06:16.41 | LinuxNewbie | i tried it on mandrake it went well there, but mandrake is to unstable the system keep crashing ive tried debian its stable enough, but when i tried to do it in debian i got that error, :-( |
| 06:16.50 | madradrone | encompass: and a key? |
| 06:17.01 | encompass | I used it without a key |
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| 06:17.12 | encompass | once I even got a dhcp ip loan |
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| 06:17.16 | encompass | but after that nothing |
| 06:17.18 | jim | LinuxNewbie: find out why and when it happens |
| 06:17.28 | encompass | I am only 12 feet from the router |
| 06:17.41 | madradrone | encompass: so it fails to associate with the SID of the AP? did you use wavemon to maybe monitor the signal strength? |
| 06:17.54 | dpower | Hi, i am currently running debian sarge, command line only, i was wondering which apt-get package i need to install kde |
| 06:17.54 | jasonm | whats a good itunes like mp3 player? |
| 06:17.58 | encompass | let me see that |
| 06:17.58 | encompass | let me see that |
| 06:18.05 | jm_ | !tell dpower -about search |
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| 06:18.17 | LinuxNewbie | ok ill tinker it a little more |
| 06:18.17 | LinuxNewbie | ok ill tinker it a little more |
| 06:18.22 | dpower | ty |
| 06:18.23 | LinuxNewbie | thnx for having the patience |
| 06:18.23 | LinuxNewbie | thnx for having the patience |
| 06:18.27 | madradrone | encompass: beyond that - this may sound silly - but i've found kwifimanager to work very well. run it as superuser. |
| 06:18.38 | encompass | sigh |
| 06:18.42 | encompass | ok |
| 06:18.55 | encompass | I am installing wavemon now |
| 06:19.13 | jim | LinuxNewbie: there are several free samba full books out there "Using Samba" being one of the best |
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| 06:19.29 | dpower | so i need to get the xserver first then kde? |
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| 06:19.47 | jm_ | no you can install both at the same time |
| 06:19.57 | dpower | ok |
| 06:20.02 | madradrone | dpower: it will probably be automatically installed as a dependency of whatever kde package(s) you install |
| 06:20.02 | LinuxNewbie | ok thnx alot |
| 06:20.03 | LinuxNewbie | ok thnx alot |
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| 06:20.38 | madradrone | dpower: but you can install x-window-system by itself first, then kdebase later |
| 06:20.54 | dpower | ok im installing xserver-xorg rite now |
| 06:20.58 | mattpj | ok i figured more out about my problem when i used synaptic to upgrade it wanted to upgrade xserver now when i try to modify xserver it told me that xserver is either broken or not fully installed and when it was doing the upgrade i noticed it failed on xfree86 stuff so how do i fix this ? |
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| 06:21.57 | madradrone | mattpj: you are not being specific |
| 06:21.57 | madradrone | mattpj: you are not being specific |
| 06:22.08 | jm_ | mattpj: try installing it again and pay attention to the error messages |
| 06:22.14 | jm_ | mattpj: being vague doesn't help anyone |
| 06:22.31 | mattpj | i cant install it again i cant boot up kdm |
| 06:22.39 | mattpj | im using a boot disk |
| 06:22.47 | mattpj | hmm more specific |
| 06:23.01 | thc | you booted a live cd because you couldn't get X working? |
| 06:23.17 | mattpj | xserver is broken or not fully installed ok how do i reinstall it i cant get it to boot up kdm the x |
| 06:23.19 | thc | that's comedy. |
| 06:23.20 | mattpj | thc: yes |
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| 06:23.37 | mattpj | wtf am i susposed to do im still new to this and i lost x |
| 06:23.39 | thc | why didn't you just get on irc in console |
| 06:24.03 | mattpj | because i never used it there i didnt even know if my version of debian has it |
| 06:24.13 | thc | </sigh> |
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| 06:24.26 | thc | instasll a real irc client. |
| 06:24.35 | thc | s/instasll/install/ |
| 06:24.35 | mattpj | im on mepis the reason im here is its debian based and no one is on my channel |
| 06:24.35 | mattpj | im on mepis the reason im here is its debian based and no one is on my channel |
| 06:24.40 | madradrone | mattpj: use apt-get from the command line to install shit, not synaptic |
| 06:24.40 | thc | wtf is mepis? |
| 06:24.46 | Skiver | if kaffeine works in root, why doesn't it work in my account ? |
| 06:24.47 | thc | yet another live cd? |
| 06:24.47 | thc | yet another live cd? |
| 06:24.51 | jengelh | thc: yeah... |
| 06:24.55 | thc | jesus. |
| 06:25.10 | vortek | ok i gots no sound lol |
| 06:25.12 | mattpj | madradone: still one problem what should i install to fix the xserver problem ? |
| 06:25.12 | mattpj | madradone: still one problem what should i install to fix the xserver problem ? |
| 06:25.13 | Kevin` | mepis is a full distro |
| 06:25.19 | vortek | Im using a stock kernel .. And the mods are loaded |
| 06:25.19 | madradrone | thc: lol |
| 06:25.19 | vortek | Im using a stock kernel .. And the mods are loaded |
| 06:25.24 | vortek | any sugestions |
| 06:25.44 | jim | vortek: see if you have a sound card |
| 06:25.48 | vortek | jim hahaha |
| 06:25.53 | madradrone | Skiver: launch it from a console as see if there's error output |
| 06:26.13 | vortek | jim: emu10k1 is the mod its always used before |
| 06:26.30 | vortek | aumix shows nothing muted |
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| 06:26.36 | jim | ahh, you could try the alsa variant, snd-emu10k1 |
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| 06:26.50 | Skiver | madradrone : did that. "error communicating with kaffeine. it probably crashed". |
| 06:26.55 | jim | but you're right it should work |
| 06:27.17 | junkey | i have come back |
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| 06:27.17 | madradrone | Skiver: any dead kaffeine processes? |
| 06:27.22 | jim | but only if you actually have the chip in the socket. make sure the sound card has parts on the board. |
| 06:27.23 | vortek | jim: modprobed it still nothing |
| 06:27.24 | vortek | jim: modprobed it still nothing |
| 06:27.28 | vortek | jim haha |
| 06:27.48 | Skiver | madradrone : no. |
| 06:27.50 | jim | the power on the computer is (on/off)? |
| 06:27.56 | vortek | it works fine in dual boot on wintendo , I just cant remember why its not working in here :P |
| 06:28.11 | madradrone | Skiver: i don't know. install wxvlc and be happy... |
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| 06:28.24 | junkey | my usbmouse can't move. |
| 06:28.24 | jim | so there is a specific reason you're trying to remember it's not working? |
| 06:28.24 | jim | so there is a specific reason you're trying to remember it's not working? |
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| 06:28.37 | vortek | jim: yeah I want it to work |
| 06:28.39 | jim | junkey: use more force with your hand... |
| 06:28.45 | madradrone | junkey: did it ever? |
| 06:28.58 | jm_ | junkey: you mean it has motors so it can move on its own? maybe they ran out of fuel |
| 06:29.08 | jim | junkey: make sure it's not superglued to the table |
| 06:29.19 | junkey | sorry ,i think i have a promblem |
| 06:29.26 | madradrone | poor guy |
| 06:29.46 | junkey | i can't see the whole word |
| 06:29.50 | jim | the first step is admitting you have a problem... |
| 06:30.28 | junkey | it happen when i an configure xfree86 |
| 06:30.38 | madradrone | junkey: what part of it *can* you see??? |
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| 06:30.46 | jim | junkey: did it work before you did that? |
| 06:31.10 | junkey | and my touchpad isn't work |
| 06:31.28 | jm_ | you should really write longer lines, this is highly annoying |
| 06:31.39 | madradrone | junkey: reconfigure X? |
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| 06:31.55 | dli | junkey, /dev/input/mice for auto-detection |
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| 06:32.04 | jim | and put more words on the line... say more stuff |
| 06:32.07 | dli | junkey, I suppose you are running 2.6 kernel |
| 06:32.14 | junkey | i try it now |
| 06:32.19 | madradrone | dli: actually that one never works for me. i always scroll up to /dev/psaux |
| 06:32.19 | madradrone | dli: actually that one never works for me. i always scroll up to /dev/psaux |
| 06:32.25 | junkey | i an running 2.6.8.2 |
| 06:32.47 | dli | madradrone, let me check mine, I think it's /dev/input/mice |
| 06:32.56 | jasonm | hey is there anyone around that can give me some help, im new to linux |
| 06:33.13 | madradrone | dli: i know it defaults to that when it autodetects, but my X always crashes when i select it. /dev/psaux works fine tho |
| 06:33.27 | jm_ | then you're not using 2.6 kernel |
| 06:33.40 | jim | jasonm: a good thing to start with is use a terminal to cd / and look in there... cd around to different dirs and see what's in there |
| 06:33.46 | jim | and find out why it' |
| 06:33.47 | madradrone | jm_: sure am |
| 06:33.49 | jim | s there |
| 06:33.49 | jim | s there |
| 06:33.50 | jasonm | a friend of mine recommended debian to me, what id the easiest way to findout if my hardware is supported |
| 06:33.57 | junkey | OK,i can see the whole word now |
| 06:34.01 | dli | madradrone, I have both, so I don't know whether it works :( |
| 06:34.07 | madradrone | 2.6.14-rc3 at the moment... |
| 06:34.12 | junkey | i have change the fonts |
| 06:34.13 | jim | start getting a picture of what's where on your disk |
| 06:34.31 | jm_ | madradrone: do you see any devices listed in /proc/bus/input/devices? is /dev/input/mice really the right device file? |
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| 06:34.39 | fireba11 | jasonm you got any unusual that might nit be suported ? |
| 06:34.40 | madradrone | jasonm: it probably is |
| 06:34.46 | junkey | let me see |
| 06:35.20 | thc | haha you compiled your own kernel? no wonder your mouse doesn't work. |
| 06:35.21 | madradrone | jm_: yes two devices: |
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| 06:35.33 | jasonm | i tried installing debian on my system lastyear and it didnt work. so i ran suse but i didnt like that distro. |
| 06:35.46 | junkey | there have 5 |
| 06:35.54 | madradrone | jm_: "AT Translated Set 2 keyboard" and "TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint" |
| 06:36.14 | jasonm | i have mostly programming class's this semester so i figure i should run linux |
| 06:36.15 | fireba11 | jasonm: what you mean with "didn't work" ? also, if your hardware was running with suse it will work with debian |
| 06:36.18 | junkey | touchpad and ps2 and usbmouse |
| 06:36.35 | madradrone | jm_: Phys=isa0060/serio1/input0 for the trackpoint |
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| 06:37.10 | jasonm | fireba11: i think it wouldnt recognise my harddisks. i cant remember this was about a year ago. somewhere in the install it would fail. |
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| 06:37.19 | roboo_ | http://pastebin.com/399519 can i merge hda2 and hda3 ? hda2 is fat32, hda3 is ext3 that i use now. i want to add hda2 to hda3. can i ? |
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| 06:38.02 | madradrone | roboo_: yes. you could use qtparted on knoppix to do it. |
| 06:38.10 | fireba11 | jasonm: you can try a knoppix CD for example .. |
| 06:38.30 | jasonm | also this is probably an extreme;y stupid question, but from linux can you write to a ntfs drive or just read. |
| 06:38.48 | roboo_ | madradrone: it has risk ? |
| 06:38.48 | roboo_ | madradrone: it has risk ? |
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| 06:38.59 | Kevin` | jasonm google captive-ntfs |
| 06:38.59 | Kevin` | jasonm google captive-ntfs |
| 06:39.09 | madradrone | jasonm: i'd be very surprised if you had a common, modern system for which the driver controller was not recognized or supported by any distro. very. |
| 06:39.24 | fireba11 | jasonm: the NTFS drivers for linux aren't complete yet .. |
| 06:39.38 | junkey | i can't move the mouse ,so it is very hard to use my computer. |
| 06:39.38 | junkey | i can't move the mouse ,so it is very hard to use my computer. |
| 06:39.48 | fireba11 | jasonm: so no full write access .. |
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| 06:39.53 | madradrone | roboo_: well, they would of course say you should always backup before doing something like this. but since your just deleted the win partition and expanding the ext3 one it should be pretty safe |
| 06:40.00 | junkey | the trinkpoint and the touchpad and the usbmouse |
| 06:40.04 | Kevin` | junkey don't use X, or I think you can move the mouse with the keypad somehow |
| 06:40.23 | roboo_ | madradrone: ok thanks i'll try :) |
| 06:40.25 | roboo_ | cya |
| 06:41.16 | junkey | when i use the command xf86cfg ,i can use the NUM to move. |
| 06:41.37 | madradrone | junkey: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 06:41.53 | junkey | i have use that command |
| 06:42.04 | thc | that's probably not going to work now that he's used xf86config. |
| 06:42.04 | madradrone | junkey: and try /dev/psaux for the mouse device |
| 06:42.05 | madradrone | junkey: and try /dev/psaux for the mouse device |
| 06:42.05 | Skiver | hi, how can i completely remove an user account ? |
| 06:42.07 | junkey | i don't konw how to chosse it |
| 06:42.22 | junkey | OK,let me try thanks |
| 06:43.33 | junkey | how to type the card bus identfier? |
| 06:43.50 | thc | Skiver: deluser ? |
| 06:43.53 | junkey | how to type the video card's bus identfier? |
| 06:44.01 | thc | junkey: what language do you speak |
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| 06:44.15 | junkey | chinese |
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| 06:44.28 | thc | is there a chinese debian channel? |
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| 06:44.53 | junkey | my video card is ATI M6 |
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| 06:45.12 | slownixs | I'm running the latest 2.6 precompiled kernel from dselect ... My proper snd modules auto loaded but I get no sound .. any ideas ? |
| 06:45.28 | slownixs | I tried programs like aumix wich show nothing is muted |
| 06:45.30 | thc | huh there doesn't appear to be |
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| 06:46.08 | madradrone | slownixs: how do you know you get no sound? |
| 06:46.24 | slownixs | I tried xmms |
| 06:46.31 | madradrone | slownixs: so? |
| 06:46.32 | slownixs | inside of enlightenment |
| 06:46.47 | smartbhai | which library does debian use by default to play mp3s |
| 06:46.51 | junkey | when i use the command "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86",what can i do when |
| 06:46.51 | madradrone | what if xmms is trying to use another soundsystem? |
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| 06:47.15 | slownixs | madradrone : well in the past when Ever i installed debian it always worked .. but ok what you recomend then |
| 06:47.25 | junkey | plese enter the video card's bus identifier |
| 06:47.34 | madradrone | slownixs: i recommend testing your sound system |
| 06:47.34 | thc | junkey: hit Enter. |
| 06:47.34 | madradrone | slownixs: i recommend testing your sound system |
| 06:47.34 | thc | junkey: hit Enter. |
| 06:47.44 | rhalff | hi I have an amd athlon 64 3000+, is the kernel image I need amd64-k8 then ? |
| 06:47.51 | rhalff | don't really understand the k8 part. |
| 06:47.57 | mhall | junkey: BIG5 or GB? |
| 06:48.15 | junkey | gtf |
| 06:48.22 | mhall | thc: I'll refer junkey to the proper debian e-mail list. |
| 06:48.25 | madradrone | junkey: leave that blank |
| 06:48.28 | thc | cheers. |
| 06:48.41 | slownixs | madradrone : using what .. works fine in a dual boot |
| 06:48.44 | mhall | junkey: There is a Debian mailing list for GB and for BIG5. Which would you prefer? |
| 06:48.57 | pacman | K8 comes after K7. |
| 06:49.16 | junkey | plese select your keyboard variant |
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| 06:49.20 | madradrone | slownixs: do you even know how sound works in linux? |
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| 06:49.43 | rhalff | pacman, I don't know K7 also, what does it mean :) |
| 06:49.46 | dvsdude | junkey: 104 |
| 06:49.51 | slownixs | madradrone : Its worked on this machine for over 4 years |
| 06:50.00 | slownixs | madradrone: WIth the snd-emu101 |
| 06:50.07 | slownixs | madradrone well more like 3 years |
| 06:50.19 | slownixs | madradrone : I just decided to put debian on it again after a whiel |
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| 06:50.25 | junkey | please select your keyboard options |
| 06:50.29 | ke6isf | dvsdude: That presumes taht he's in the US or Canada. |
| 06:50.34 | madradrone | slownixs: ah. okay. now you actually tell us the name of the module you're using. so we don't have to guess if you're using alsa or not |
| 06:50.35 | alienbrain | madradrone: I don't know, any links/tips please :-) ? |
| 06:50.47 | thc | slownixs: just because you installed a 2.6 kernel, doesn't mean you have alsa installed. install alsa-base and run alsaconf |
| 06:50.49 | mhall | junkey: You can get help in Chinese at http://lists.debian.org/debian-chinese-big5/ and http://lists.debian.org/debian-chinese-gb/ . Subscribe to the one with the right locale / encoding and the posts will be placed onto both lists automatically. |
| 06:50.49 | mhall | junkey: You can get help in Chinese at http://lists.debian.org/debian-chinese-big5/ and http://lists.debian.org/debian-chinese-gb/ . Subscribe to the one with the right locale / encoding and the posts will be placed onto both lists automatically. |
| 06:50.51 | dvsdude | slownixs: are u using alsa try type at commandline alsaconf as root |
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| 06:50.56 | madradrone | alienbrain: ? |
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| 06:50.56 | madradrone | alienbrain: ? |
| 06:51.04 | slownixs | i installed all then but let me run alsaconf |
| 06:51.17 | dvsdude | ke6isf: soz |
| 06:51.21 | madradrone | slownixs: and xmms is using the alsa output module? |
| 06:51.22 | madradrone | slownixs: and xmms is using the alsa output module? |
| 06:51.27 | junkey | to mhall : i an sorry ,i cant move my mouse,so it is hard work |
| 06:51.35 | LinuxNewbie | quick question guys is it possible to upgrade the my kernel im using 2.4 i would like to upgrade to 2.6 wont it have any problems? |
| 06:51.35 | slownixs | madradrone yeah |
| 06:51.39 | slownixs | im running alsaconf right now |
| 06:51.43 | slownixs | usualy I just make a custom kernel |
| 06:51.56 | slownixs | this is my first time actualy using a prebuilt kernel and configing sound |
| 06:52.00 | fireba11 | LinuxNewbie: shound't be a problem .. jsut apt-get install the new one |
| 06:52.00 | fireba11 | LinuxNewbie: shound't be a problem .. jsut apt-get install the new one |
| 06:52.00 | madradrone | alsamixer? |
| 06:52.02 | ke6isf | !tell slownixs -about enter |
| 06:52.13 | dvsdude | LinuxNewbie: hopefully not u should be able to apt-get install kernel-image blah blah |
| 06:52.17 | LinuxNewbie | ok thnx alot |
| 06:52.28 | junkey | please select your keyboard options |
| 06:52.31 | ke6isf | LinuxNewbie: I've had no problems with apt-getting up to the next kernel. |
| 06:52.36 | fireba11 | LinuxNewbie: you'Re welcome |
| 06:52.41 | junkey | then what can i do? |
| 06:52.45 | mhall | junkey: yeah no problem, just make sure you subscribe to those lists when you get up and running a little further |
| 06:52.46 | slownixs | hers the output |
| 06:53.11 | LinuxNewbie | what is the command to view in apt-get the list of kernels to choose from? |
| 06:53.14 | slownixs | wait let me run alsaconf one more time to be save |
| 06:53.26 | alienbrain | madradrone: i don't know how sound works in linux, if you know any useful resources explaining it, I'd appreciate it if you enlighten me with them. |
| 06:53.27 | dvsdude | apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 06:53.48 | dli | LinuxNewbie, I just use "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-k7" |
| 06:54.04 | madradrone | alienbrain: please don't log in duplicate |
| 06:54.09 | slownixs | heres what alsaconf spits out /usr/sbin/alsactl: save_state:1163: No soundcards found... |
| 06:54.21 | thc | haha |
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| 06:54.29 | thc | slownixs: lspci |
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| 06:54.33 | LinuxNewbie | thnx |
| 06:54.35 | thc | look for your suondcard |
| 06:54.35 | thc | look for your suondcard |
| 06:54.45 | junkey | please choose your mouse port |
| 06:54.49 | fireba11 | LinuxNewbie "apt-cache search kernel-image" |
| 06:54.56 | madradrone | alienbrain: read the debian reference |
| 06:55.20 | fireba11 | dli don't tell him a command that will install a specific kernel if you don't knwo what hardware he got |
| 06:55.26 | madradrone | slownixs: but the module is loaded? |
| 06:55.29 | junkey | there is a list,what shoud i choose? |
| 06:55.42 | LinuxNewbie | should the configuration here would be carry over on the new kernel? or not? |
| 06:55.42 | junkey | /dev/psaux |
| 06:55.46 | madradrone | junkey: yes |
| 06:56.20 | mhall | junkey: what kernel version? |
| 06:56.23 | dvsdude | LinuxNewbie: if u have nvidia video installed u will have to re install also will need kernel-headers |
| 06:56.24 | dli | fireba11, you are right, it might hang or reboot as once, if he chooses a wrong one |
| 06:56.26 | mhall | junkey: 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 06:56.26 | mhall | junkey: 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 06:56.29 | fireba11 | LinuxNewbie: the kernel will be added to grub or lilo whatever you are using, nothing else will change, the old one will be there too as fallback |
| 06:56.31 | junkey | please choose the entry that best describes your mouse? |
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| 06:56.37 | junkey | 2.6.8.2 |
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| 06:56.45 | alienbrain | madradrone: which part of it ? |
| 06:56.53 | mhall | junkey: use /dev/input/mice as mouse device with protocol imps/2 |
| 06:56.56 | LinuxNewbie | ah? ok thnx ill reboot and check it out thnx alot |
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| 06:57.09 | roboo | hi again |
| 06:57.14 | madradrone | junkey: imps/2 |
| 06:57.20 | roboo | i deleted hda2 and how will i add hda2 to hda3 now _ |
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| 06:57.32 | junkey | emulate 3? |
| 06:57.34 | madradrone | junkey: but maybe /dev/psaux is better than /dev/input/mouse |
| 06:57.39 | mhall | roboo: that's usually not possible |
| 06:57.39 | mhall | roboo: that's usually not possible |
| 06:57.44 | mhall | madradrone: NO |
| 06:57.48 | roboo | huh ??????????? |
| 06:57.50 | madradrone | mhall: it is |
| 06:57.55 | mhall | madradrone: NO |
| 06:58.00 | jm_ | madradrone: how about the actual device file? |
| 06:58.02 | junkey | i have choose /dev/psaux |
| 06:58.02 | thc | madradrone: /dev/input/mice will pick up a PS/2 mouse device, worked for me every time. |
| 06:58.02 | junkey | i have choose /dev/psaux |
| 06:58.02 | thc | madradrone: /dev/input/mice will pick up a PS/2 mouse device, worked for me every time. |
| 06:58.07 | madradrone | mhall: yes. expanding a partition size is easy |
| 06:58.07 | madradrone | mhall: yes. expanding a partition size is easy |
| 06:58.11 | slownixs | madradrone yes it is |
| 06:58.18 | slownixs | ok alsaconf seems to work right now |
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| 06:58.23 | jm_ | madradrone: and is input listed in /proc/devices? |
| 06:58.29 | mhall | madradrone: not when the empty part is _before_ the full part on the disk |
| 06:58.33 | slownixs | 0000:00:0c.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 04) |
| 06:58.33 | slownixs | 0000:00:0c.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 04) |
| 06:58.39 | roboo | madradrone, qtparted hasnt any option to create or move or to do something |
| 06:58.40 | mhall | roboo: is there data in hda3? |
| 06:58.46 | slownixs | And in xmms it shows the music streaming just no noise lol |
| 06:58.52 | roboo | mhall, yes .. there is linux that i used |
| 06:58.52 | roboo | mhall, yes .. there is linux that i used |
| 06:58.56 | Fleck | hi all - i have debian on 20GB partition - reiserfs, i whant to put it on 60GB partition on another HDD, can i do that? |
| 06:59.03 | mhall | roboo: problem is, you usually can't grow a partition unless the free space is after the partition |
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| 06:59.07 | Fleck | brb |
| 06:59.08 | madradrone | jm_: there is an input entry in there |
| 06:59.08 | madradrone | jm_: there is an input entry in there |
| 06:59.08 | thc | slownixs: are you running Sarge |
| 06:59.10 | jm_ | Fleck: you have my permission |
| 06:59.14 | mhall | roboo: so usually you'd have to back it up and redo it |
| 06:59.19 | jm_ | madradrone: ok so one question left |
| 06:59.39 | madradrone | roboo: it is totally safe to expand a partition |
| 06:59.40 | dli | mhall, I now uses only one major partition :( plus a small boot and a small swap |
| 06:59.41 | mhall | Fleck: yeah you can do it with cp -Rp |
| 06:59.41 | mhall | Fleck: yeah you can do it with cp -Rp |
| 06:59.41 | Fleck | jm_ :))))) no sorry, my english is bad, i want to know, how can i do that :) |
| 06:59.44 | junkey | reboot now? |
| 06:59.47 | mhall | madradrone: not always |
| 06:59.51 | Fleck | mhall ? |
| 06:59.52 | Fleck | mhall ? |
| 06:59.55 | jm_ | Fleck: hard disk upgrade mini howto should help |
| 06:59.58 | Fleck | cp = copy? |
| 06:59.58 | Fleck | cp = copy? |
| 07:00.00 | mhall | dli: i'm the same way |
| 07:00.02 | Fleck | ok thanks |
| 07:00.07 | mhall | Fleck: cp is the copy command |
| 07:00.12 | mhall | Fleck: one thing though |
| 07:00.14 | Fleck | yep ok :) |
| 07:00.20 | Fleck | danke ;) |
| 07:00.20 | junkey | the mouse can't move also,am i reboot now? |
| 07:00.22 | mhall | Fleck: when you are done you'll have to fix /etc/fstab |
| 07:00.26 | madradrone | mhall: he said earlier he was deleting hda2 and wanted to expand hda3. that is safe |
| 07:00.29 | mhall | Fleck: Ah du kannst Deutsch? |
| 07:00.30 | Fleck | mhall sure ;) |
| 07:00.35 | mhall | madradrone: No it's not. |
| 07:00.38 | Fleck | mhall ein bissien ;) |
| 07:00.39 | slownixs | thc: yeah |
| 07:00.40 | junkey | the mouse can't move also ,need i to reboot now? |
| 07:00.40 | junkey | the mouse can't move also ,need i to reboot now? |
| 07:00.54 | mhall | madradrone: Deleting hda3 and expanding hda2 would be sort of safe |
| 07:00.54 | madradrone | mhall: sure it is |
| 07:00.58 | dvsdude | junky: ctrl+alt+backspace will restart X |
| 07:01.00 | slownixs | shouldnt i be using esound ? or something ? |
| 07:01.00 | slownixs | shouldnt i be using esound ? or something ? |
| 07:01.01 | roboo | madradrone, mhall http://img461.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot16oh.jpg can you look this? |
| 07:01.04 | madradrone | mhall: that's what he's doing |
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| 07:01.11 | roboo | how will i expand madradrone? |
| 07:01.16 | mhall | madradrone: deleting 2 and expanding 3 before its old beginning is not safe |
| 07:01.18 | thc | slownixs: sarge's alsa-base version probably doesn't even have the driver for that soundcard |
| 07:01.21 | junkey | thanks every body |
| 07:01.29 | slownixs | thc: let me upgraed to etch realy fast then |
| 07:01.29 | mhall | madradrone: you deal with it then, but to me it doesn't sound so good |
| 07:01.29 | slownixs | thc: let me upgraed to etch realy fast then |
| 07:01.33 | madradrone | roboo: yes, delete the old one. it becomes free space. then assign it to the one you want to expand. easy |
| 07:01.44 | madradrone | its totally safe |
| 07:01.46 | thc | slownixs: i would check the alsa page to verify that but you probaly need the alsa-base version that is in testing |
| 07:01.46 | thc | slownixs: i would check the alsa page to verify that but you probaly need the alsa-base version that is in testing |
| 07:01.48 | LinuxNewbie | hello there im in 2.6... everthing is run much smoother |
| 07:02.02 | LinuxNewbie | thnx alot guys |
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| 07:02.07 | roboo | madradrone, ok but when i right click to free one it hasnt any option to do something |
| 07:02.11 | slownixs | thc: ill just upgrade its not a big deal to me .. this is the first time I realy had problems with sound |
| 07:02.20 | mhall | LinuxNewbie: yes! 2.6 is a sweet kernel |
| 07:02.31 | mo1991 | I am trying to make a .deb file from the source code for the valknut program - can anyone tell me where to find a good howto for this? |
| 07:02.32 | mhall | LinuxNewbie: they fixed up the scheduler a lot so it performs better |
| 07:02.32 | mhall | LinuxNewbie: they fixed up the scheduler a lot so it performs better |
| 07:02.33 | madradrone | roboo: did you delete the old one? |
| 07:02.36 | jasonm | ok. im going to try and install debian via the download via network meathod. i need to dualboot my existing xp install for a bit longer. should i create a partition for debian now? or will i be given that option during the install. also, if there a way to remove the xp partition easily when im through with it. |
| 07:02.37 | roboo | yes |
| 07:02.38 | madradrone | roboo: the win one? |
| 07:02.43 | roboo | madradrone, yes |
| 07:02.55 | LinuxNewbie | any issues with 2.6 and debian? |
| 07:02.56 | madradrone | roboo: and can you now resize the ext3 one? |
| 07:02.56 | madradrone | roboo: and can you now resize the ext3 one? |
| 07:03.00 | mhall | mo1991: oh shit, that program is nothing but trouble for me |
| 07:03.02 | jm_ | mo119;www.debian.org/devel has documentation - there's also checlinstall as a quick and easy/dirty solution |
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| 07:03.07 | mhall | LinuxNewbie: not for me there hasn't been |
| 07:03.13 | jm_ | checkinstall even |
| 07:03.13 | mhall | mo1991: can i chat with you via /msg |
| 07:03.25 | roboo | madradrone, no.. they hasny any option on right click too |
| 07:03.30 | LinuxNewbie | is there different kind of kernel 2.6... i got with the K7? |
| 07:03.47 | madradrone | roboo: maybe you need to reboot first for the deletion of hda2 to take effect |
| 07:03.47 | madradrone | roboo: maybe you need to reboot first for the deletion of hda2 to take effect |
| 07:03.51 | mhall | LinuxNewbie: what kind of proc do you have according to cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 07:03.52 | mo1991 | mhall yup |
| 07:03.54 | dvsdude | jasonm: you will be asked during debian install about partitions etc |
| 07:03.54 | dvsdude | jasonm: you will be asked during debian install about partitions etc |
| 07:04.03 | LinuxNewbie | wiat |
| 07:04.17 | roboo | madradrone, hm ok i ll try see you again :) |
| 07:04.18 | madradrone | roboo: i can't help you at this level of detail you have to think for yourself. its a pretty simple operation |
| 07:04.26 | madradrone | roboo: just do it :-) |
| 07:04.26 | madradrone | roboo: just do it :-) |
| 07:04.27 | dvsdude | jasonm: u'll be able to manually choose partitioning |
| 07:04.29 | LinuxNewbie | i got a AMD Sempron |
| 07:04.35 | roboo | :) i hope it is |
| 07:04.42 | jasonm | ok cool. |
| 07:04.44 | madradrone | roboo: just don't delete hda3 obviously |
| 07:04.57 | jasonm | but about removing xp? the partition xp is on |
| 07:05.24 | madradrone | i thought xp was on hda2? |
| 07:05.33 | dvsdude | jsonm: when finished xp u can format it via linux and then mount it as new partition |
| 07:06.08 | jasonm | aiight |
| 07:06.09 | madradrone | jm_: what was the last thing you were going to mention? |
| 07:06.09 | madradrone | jm_: what was the last thing you were going to mention? |
| 07:06.11 | jasonm | thanks dudes |
| 07:06.19 | jm_ | madradrone: check the device file |
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| 07:07.04 | madradrone | jm_: ls: /dev/input/mouse: No such file or directory |
| 07:07.04 | madradrone | jm_: ls: /dev/input/mouse: No such file or directory |
| 07:07.06 | fireba11 | LinuxNewbie: yes, then k7 is the one for you |
| 07:07.46 | jm_ | madradrone: no no no, /dev/input/mice |
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| 07:08.05 | madradrone | jm_: yes its there |
| 07:08.12 | LinuxNewbie | ok thnx alot thats why its running smooth, thnx guys |
| 07:08.14 | jm_ | madradrone: with the right values? |
| 07:08.26 | slownixs | bah this is garbage I never had problems with sound in debian lol |
| 07:08.34 | madradrone | jm_: crw-rw---- 1 root root 13, 63 |
| 07:08.36 | slownixs | ill just make my own kernel .. sound always works that way oddly |
| 07:08.47 | jm_ | madradrone: then you're all set - it should work fine |
| 07:09.02 | madradrone | jm_: i will try it again. thanks |
| 07:09.02 | madradrone | jm_: i will try it again. thanks |
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| 07:10.37 | mhall | mo1991: you alive? |
| 07:10.39 | dede | hi again |
| 07:10.59 | dede | madradrone, i can resize hda1 but i cant resize hda3 now |
| 07:11.39 | jm_ | madradrone: apparently one should use ExplorerPS/2 as protocol with it (exps2 for gpm), but I couldn't use the 6th button with it, while it works with ImPS/2 |
| 07:11.40 | madradrone | dede: you may have to move hda3 to the beginning of the free space first |
| 07:11.52 | dede | madradrone, i cant move hda3 too |
| 07:11.55 | mo1991 | mhall, I'm here |
| 07:12.04 | mhall | mo1991: i didn't hear anything from you |
| 07:12.09 | dede | madradrone there are only delete and format options for hda3 |
| 07:12.17 | mo1991 | can you help me make a .deb file from my patched valknut source code? |
| 07:12.17 | mo1991 | mo1991 Or is that rather complex? |
| 07:12.17 | mo1991 | mo1991 Or is that rather complex? |
| 07:12.21 | mo1991 | mhall above |
| 07:12.23 | mhall | mo1991: i'm hoping perhaps together we could come up with some solution for this problem |
| 07:12.23 | madradrone | dede: you should not have an hda3 any more. |
| 07:12.23 | mhall | mo1991: i'm hoping perhaps together we could come up with some solution for this problem |
| 07:12.23 | madradrone | dede: you should not have an hda3 any more. |
| 07:12.28 | mhall | mo1991: yeah i see |
| 07:12.43 | mhall | mo1991: well is it patched debian source or patched CVS HEAD? |
| 07:12.45 | mo1991 | valknut patched works on the networks |
| 07:12.45 | mo1991 | valknut patched works on the networks |
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| 07:12.45 | dede | :) |
| 07:12.52 | mo1991 | hmm let me see |
| 07:12.56 | mhall | mo1991: if you started from debian source it's not that bad |
| 07:13.02 | mhall | mo1991: where did you get the patches |
| 07:13.40 | dede | ops |
| 07:13.51 | dede | i cant create new partition for free part now |
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| 07:14.03 | mo1991 | found on the web somewhere. I installed it before on an old dcgui version and it worked great - just wanted to get the updated valknut running and wanted to install properly from .deb file rather than source - not sure how you uninstall once you install from source |
| 07:14.13 | mo1991 | I'll see where I got the source |
| 07:14.15 | LinuxNewbie | hey what are the other components that work with samba? |
| 07:14.24 | LinuxNewbie | NFS? |
| 07:14.33 | LinuxNewbie | or something? |
| 07:14.34 | jm_ | no, NFS has got nothing to do with Samba |
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| 07:15.02 | mhall | mo1991: some progs have 'make uninstall' |
| 07:15.09 | dvsdude | mo1991: some source will have make clean option it will remove installed files just not source |
| 07:15.13 | LinuxNewbie | hhmmm? coz i think i have'nt install a component that XP needed so that it can log in to samba |
| 07:15.22 | mo1991 | mhall http://heim.ifi.uio.no/~egilam/howtofakedcgui.php |
| 07:15.32 | dede | :( |
| 07:15.34 | mo1991 | this is the site that shows how to patch dcgui aka valknut |
| 07:15.56 | mo1991 | dvsdude -thx |
| 07:16.06 | mo1991 | mhall - did you see the site? |
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| 07:17.16 | mo1991 | mhall - the source I dled was from the stable from berlios |
| 07:17.53 | mhall | mo1991: let me read it |
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| 07:19.27 | mhall | mo1991: alright i've read it and i see what you need to do |
| 07:19.32 | mo1991 | mhall - basically it changes the tag that is displayed by valknut to display the tag used by dc++. |
| 07:19.36 | mo1991 | this does work |
| 07:19.40 | mhall | mo1991: will you join #mhall for a moment and i will explain |
| 07:19.45 | mo1991 | k |
| 07:20.43 | mhall | ~tell mo1991 about source |
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| 07:23.23 | Skiver | hi |
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| 07:32.30 | spdf | Hey fellas. How goes the day on your side of the world? |
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| 07:32.52 | silverton | how do I create a compressed archive with tar? |
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| 07:32.58 | silverton | the man page is confusing |
| 07:33.22 | spdf | silverton, Bah.. Confusing means helpful ;) |
| 07:33.26 | ethan-allison | how do i change the window manager X uses (e.g. from gnome to fvwm) |
| 07:33.27 | Kevin` | tar czf file.tar.gz file [...] |
| 07:33.27 | Kevin` | tar czf file.tar.gz file [...] |
| 07:33.38 | silverton | Kevin`, and if it's a directory?? |
| 07:33.44 | silverton | ... |
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| 07:33.55 | Kevin` | silverton no change |
| 07:34.00 | Kevin` | tar czf file.tar.gz dir |
| 07:34.05 | silverton | oh okay, thanks |
| 07:34.42 | silverton | is there a recursive command? |
| 07:34.49 | silverton | I need to tar a folder that has folders in it |
| 07:34.54 | silverton | lemme guess, r? |
| 07:35.14 | Kevin` | silverton no change |
| 07:35.22 | ethan-allison | tar czvf archive fileordir fileordir |
| 07:35.25 | silverton | it gave me an error |
| 07:35.54 | spdf | I don't suppose someone might know why my wireless works fine for about 5 minutes and then dies? (Using ndiswrapper...) |
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| 07:37.06 | spdf | I'm thinking it might be something I just have to deal with for now.. |
| 07:37.07 | spdf | I'm thinking it might be something I just have to deal with for now.. |
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| 07:37.28 | ethan-allison | does it just "die" or do you do something or do you notice anything else etc |
| 07:38.08 | silverton | tar czvf file.tar.gz UDATA returns "tar: cowardly refusing to create an empty archive" |
| 07:38.30 | spdf | ethan-allison, it doesn't really "die" I guess. It slows down to not working and then after a minute or two it'll start working properly.. |
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| 07:39.00 | ethan-allison | spdf: it sounds like something in your router, or maybe the wifi card if you have one |
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| 07:39.55 | ethan-allison | how do i change the window manager X uses (e.g. from gnome to fvwm)? |
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| 07:41.16 | ILyuha | ethan-allison, edit your ~/.xinitrc file |
| 07:41.24 | spdf | ethan-allison, Are you a one of the dm's? GDM/XDM/KDM? You should be able to change which session you use when you login.. |
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| 07:41.37 | spdf | ethan-allison, "... a one ...." was suppose to be "using"... |
| 07:41.41 | ethan-allison | spdf: nope, startx |
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| 07:42.23 | takatumi | editing .Xsession is the recommended option. |
| 07:43.45 | ethan-allison | where's that |
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| 07:44.45 | jm_ | ethan-allison: man startx |
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| 07:48.53 | spdf | Lordy lord.. I'm a bit lagged out (as per the wireless issue).. So, I'm a tad incapable of providing help... lol |
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| 07:49.32 | spdf | Ugh.. Damn wireless.. |
| 07:49.47 | spdf | I'd stab it if it had a heart... |
| 07:49.54 | Gnea | 'Lordy lord'? wtf is that? |
| 07:49.54 | Gnea | 'Lordy lord'? wtf is that? |
| 07:50.06 | ethan-allison | ok, so where in /.../Xsession does it say where to use the winmgr |
| 07:50.12 | spdf | Lordy lord? lol... Me being mad I guess :) |
| 07:50.31 | spdf | I hate to use that age old cliche... but really.. it worked in windows... ;) |
| 07:50.45 | Gnea | windows.... |
| 07:50.47 | Gnea | what's that... |
| 07:50.49 | Gnea | oh wait |
| 07:50.53 | Gnea | that thing with crutches |
| 07:50.53 | Gnea | that thing with crutches |
| 07:50.55 | Gnea | ;) |
| 07:50.57 | spdf | There yah go.. :) |
| 07:51.08 | spdf | Its a damn garbage barge.. thats what it is.. |
| 07:51.28 | spdf | O |
| 07:51.44 | Gnea | ethan-allison: dunno, i'd read it and see what it says... maybe check /etc/alternatives/ |
| 07:51.49 | spdf | I'll figure it out eventually.. I hope its just a router issue.. I did buy the thing for $20 |
| 07:52.02 | ethan-allison | Gnea: might work |
| 07:52.02 | ethan-allison | Gnea: might work |
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| 07:52.12 | Gnea | windows were meant to look through, not to stop the passage of sight |
| 07:52.28 | martin | whats the best graphical frontend for X configuration? |
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| 07:52.59 | Kevin` | windows are meant to be looked at, not used |
| 07:53.21 | ethan-allison | guys don't bash windows |
| 07:53.21 | ethan-allison | guys don't bash windows |
| 07:53.26 | ethan-allison | it just wanted to help |
| 07:53.37 | widrone | I have no windows, either to use or look thru. Good old underground cellar! |
| 07:53.41 | Gnea | bash a bottle |
| 07:53.46 | Kevin` | bashing windows is fun.. and easy |
| 07:53.54 | mhall | spdf: i have SO MUCH trouble with lin wireless |
| 07:53.55 | Gnea | through windows |
| 07:54.11 | mhall | Kevin`: with wireless linux is meant to be looked at, and windows to be used ;-) |
| 07:54.14 | Gnea | yeah, atheros/madwifi are crap |
| 07:54.29 | Kevin` | mhall works fine for me |
| 07:54.41 | Gnea | can't even do a proper iwlist ath0 scan, always says 'not supported' |
| 07:54.41 | Gnea | can't even do a proper iwlist ath0 scan, always says 'not supported' |
| 07:54.42 | widrone | spdf: You ndis wrapping in the wifi world? |
| 07:54.45 | mhall | Gnea: i figured that i would be covered with an atheros |
| 07:54.57 | mhall | Gnea: i can finally get a scan now |
| 07:55.01 | Kevin` | whar problems are there with atheros |
| 07:55.04 | mhall | Gnea: but it won't really associate to the AP |
| 07:55.21 | Gnea | mhall: so how does one solve it? |
| 07:55.22 | mhall | Gnea: also, FORGET about enterprise WPA or even WPA-PSK |
| 07:55.22 | mhall | Gnea: also, FORGET about enterprise WPA or even WPA-PSK |
| 07:55.34 | mhall | Gnea: That's the $64,000 question. |
| 07:55.47 | mhall | Gnea: It seems like it got fixed a week or two ago in CVS HEAD for me. |
| 07:55.48 | Gnea | mhall: oh hell yeah, i just turn all that off and put the mac addresses in |
| 07:56.01 | mhall | Gnea: I can't. I'm stuck with a university configuration. |
| 07:56.08 | mhall | Gnea: Otherwise I would switch shit off for sure. |
| 07:56.17 | Gnea | hrm |
| 07:56.38 | Gnea | mhall: where you at? |
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| 07:57.28 | ethan-allison | what package is Xterm in |
| 07:57.45 | mhall | Gnea: univ of the pacific stockton ca |
| 07:57.55 | Gnea | mhall: if they're rotating keys but not storing mac addresses, then they've got some major issues |
| 07:57.55 | Gnea | mhall: if they're rotating keys but not storing mac addresses, then they've got some major issues |
| 07:58.24 | mhall | Gnea: authentication is 802.1x WPA with MSCHAPv2 accounts |
| 07:58.35 | Gnea | that's still weak |
| 07:58.37 | mhall | Gnea: this is supported by WPA supplicatant |
| 07:58.47 | mhall | Gnea: no it's not weak |
| 07:58.52 | Gnea | yeah it is |
| 07:58.56 | mhall | Gnea: why? |
| 07:59.15 | Gnea | because it can still be DoS'd, or at least scanned around |
| 07:59.31 | sep | ethan-allison, xterm |
| 07:59.37 | mhall | Gnea: they also have a secret SSID for mac-based authentication with a wep key |
| 07:59.45 | Gnea | even if the keys get cracked, the mschapv2 helps, but that still doesn't stop sniffing |
| 07:59.45 | Gnea | even if the keys get cracked, the mschapv2 helps, but that still doesn't stop sniffing |
| 07:59.52 | mhall | Gnea: but the wep key SSID won't associate for me |
| 07:59.52 | sep | ethan-allison, if by Xterm you mean xterm :) |
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| 07:59.57 | Kevin` | heh secret |
| 07:59.59 | mhall | Gnea: but they have TKIP encryption enabled |
| 08:00.12 | mhall | Kevin`: unbroadcast, relatively undisclosed |
| 08:00.36 | Kevin` | mhall should not be too hard to see if someone is using it |
| 08:00.48 | Gnea | mhall: it doesn't matter - the layer at which they use the encryption is the breaking point - it provides a slower link than if they disabled it |
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| 08:01.10 | spdf | Alas.. I gave up.. It would seem being wired is best for me tonight... |
| 08:01.13 | Gnea | mhall: problem is, providing a secure connection past that on such a massive scale |
| 08:01.43 | mhall | Kevin`: but only 10 people on a campus of 5000 actually use it |
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| 08:01.57 | mhall | Kevin`: and without the wep key or enough GB of traffic it won't buy you much |
| 08:02.06 | mhall | Kevin`: then on top of that, once you are in, you are in a DMZ |
| 08:02.07 | mhall | Kevin`: then on top of that, once you are in, you are in a DMZ |
| 08:02.19 | mhall | Kevin`: so there's not much to do except botz0rize some b0x3n |
| 08:02.21 | Kevin` | mhall snuggle up close to one for a few days, or ASK for it |
| 08:02.45 | jasonm | one more stupid question, i have no idea what architecture i need to download |
| 08:02.46 | mhall | Kevin`: meh whatever |
| 08:02.46 | mhall | Kevin`: meh whatever |
| 08:02.52 | mhall | Kevin`: the goal is not 100% security |
| 08:03.00 | mhall | Kevin`: if that's what we needed we'd cut the cables |
| 08:03.07 | Gnea | so |
| 08:03.11 | Gnea | let me get this straight |
| 08:03.11 | Gnea | let me get this straight |
| 08:03.13 | mhall | Kevin`: the goal is preventing J Random Townie loser from fucking our stuff up |
| 08:03.19 | mhall | Kevin`: and for that purpose it works |
| 08:03.23 | Kevin` | if I was a uni i'd use unsecure wireless, gets rid of the false sense of security |
| 08:03.31 | Gnea | people pay money to get a higher education through stupidity rather than security still |
| 08:03.46 | spdf | Atleast then you'd have real sense of insecurity.. |
| 08:04.00 | mhall | for all of our real secure systems you either have to use a terminal |
| 08:04.01 | Kevin` | spdf exactly |
| 08:04.01 | Kevin` | spdf exactly |
| 08:04.07 | mhall | or you have to use IPSEC VPN |
| 08:04.14 | Gnea | yeah, and then a population to react and make it better |
| 08:04.40 | Gnea | mhall: a VPN for sure, IPSEC is just optional |
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| 08:05.31 | Kevin` | openvpn is probably more secure then the standard stuff |
| 08:05.35 | spdf | I missed the start of the convo.. Was it about securing wireless for 5000ish people? |
| 08:05.41 | Gnea | hell yeah it is |
| 08:05.49 | Gnea | spdf: yeah |
| 08:05.49 | Gnea | spdf: yeah |
| 08:06.37 | spdf | Ahh.. Well, WEP is out for sure then |
| 08:06.39 | mhall | Gnea: no PPTP is a shitty protocol |
| 08:06.57 | Gnea | mhall: only if used incorrectly |
| 08:06.57 | mhall | Gnea: IPSEC is the only decent VPN protocol |
| 08:06.57 | mhall | Gnea: IPSEC is the only decent VPN protocol |
| 08:07.06 | mhall | Gnea: no PPTP is insecure by design |
| 08:07.13 | Gnea | mhall: that is an arrogant statement. |
| 08:07.22 | mhall | Gnea: there are real cryptographic problems with it |
| 08:07.35 | Kevin` | "the only decent vpn protocol" |
| 08:07.38 | Gnea | and probably the most idiotic and uneducated statement i have read/heard in awhile. |
| 08:07.41 | mhall | Gnea: you could use SSH, it's good, but not really a VPN protocol |
| 08:08.07 | Gnea | mhall: openvpn rocks the socks off of any ipsec-based vpn anyday. |
| 08:08.14 | mhall | well my understanding is, for everyday VPN protocols that support Windows systems ( a requirement here ), you basically have IPSEC or PPTP |
| 08:08.18 | Kevin` | ssh would work for a non-internet connection |
| 08:08.28 | sep | openvpn have a windows part right ? |
| 08:08.28 | sep | openvpn have a windows part right ? |
| 08:08.35 | Kevin` | openvpn supports windows |
| 08:08.37 | mhall | it seems like it does have windows support |
| 08:08.37 | Gnea | openvpn already supports windows. |
| 08:08.37 | mhall | it seems like it does have windows support |
| 08:08.37 | Gnea | openvpn already supports windows. |
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| 08:08.41 | Kevin` | well |
| 08:08.42 | spdf | The problem is with stupid users. You can't make your encryption scheme to stupid for people to use.. |
| 08:08.42 | spdf | The problem is with stupid users. You can't make your encryption scheme to stupid for people to use.. |
| 08:08.44 | Gnea | directly and indirectly. |
| 08:08.54 | mhall | but i don't think that would work because they use Cisco HW VPN concentrators |
| 08:09.06 | Gnea | wanna bet? |
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| 08:09.19 | Gnea | it doesn't have to interface directly with the concentrator |
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| 08:09.26 | Gnea | you can use it in conjunction |
| 08:09.37 | mhall | then what point is the concentrator |
| 08:09.37 | mhall | then what point is the concentrator |
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| 08:09.39 | roboo | hi |
| 08:09.51 | Gnea | a false sense of security |
| 08:09.52 | Gnea | :) |
| 08:09.54 | widrone | Like they did a place I worked, no encrypt / open wifi. THey just stuck it in a dmz. No stupid questions from users. |
| 08:10.00 | roboo | kernel 2.6 has lm-sensors driver integrated ? |
| 08:10.21 | spdf | roboo, The modules are there |
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| 08:10.23 | Gnea | roboo: it's modularized |
| 08:10.29 | widrone | No false sence of security, it just works. If ppl need to encrypt their stuff, you lear it yourself. |
| 08:10.42 | mhall | personally if it were up to me i would probably use open wifi with a PPTP server on a dual opteron linux box |
| 08:10.53 | Gnea | cisco makes some real heavy duty vpn, no doubt there |
| 08:11.10 | bbrazil | problem there is http traffic with passwords |
| 08:11.11 | mhall | if you want decent security, connect to the PPTP server |
| 08:11.11 | mhall | if you want decent security, connect to the PPTP server |
| 08:11.16 | mhall | or connect to it with SSH |
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| 08:11.33 | mhall | if you don't care, plug and go |
| 08:11.37 | Gnea | but SSH is not a standard windows protocol |
| 08:11.45 | Kevin` | it's rather easy to do vpn over ssh |
| 08:11.45 | Kevin` | it's rather easy to do vpn over ssh |
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| 08:11.49 | widrone | http traffic with passwords yes, but there is no reason to make people think that is secure now is there? |
| 08:11.52 | mhall | but the problem with that idea was unauthorized people using our bandwidth |
| 08:11.53 | Kevin` | pfft windows |
| 08:12.00 | Gnea | you could, theoretically, integrate ssh into a windows client |
| 08:12.06 | Gnea | putty, et al |
| 08:12.08 | mhall | Gnea: as long as one of the solutions supports windows it's OK |
| 08:12.14 | mhall | Gnea: they don't all have to support it |
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| 08:12.55 | Kevin` | ssh is the hackish system the user uses to secure their data from you, not the one you use ;) |
| 08:12.58 | widrone | mhall: Was it a big problem? Like they ate all bandwith? |
| 08:13.13 | Gnea | mhall: OTOH if it's just a linux server connecting to the vpn and there's a wifi set to it with mac address filtering, then you could securely control who does and doesn't gain access to it that way |
| 08:13.13 | Gnea | mhall: OTOH if it's just a linux server connecting to the vpn and there's a wifi set to it with mac address filtering, then you could securely control who does and doesn't gain access to it that way |
| 08:13.26 | mhall | widrone: yes apparently so |
| 08:13.44 | Gnea | mhall: and setup the windows clients to connect however you want - generate your own keys if you wish - unless of course that goes against school policy |
| 08:13.47 | mhall | widrone: enough to make it worth the costs of upgrading to newer gear with full 1x support, etc |
| 08:14.07 | roboo | Gnea: i checked with modconf and there isnt lm-sensors module what should i do? |
| 08:14.10 | mhall | Gnea: i'm not sure Cisco APs can store a big enough MAC address table |
| 08:14.20 | mhall | Gnea: we'd probably need to store 10,000 MACs |
| 08:14.25 | Gnea | roboo: did you run sensors-detect? |
| 08:14.25 | Gnea | roboo: did you run sensors-detect? |
| 08:14.34 | widrone | mhall: Oh my, well yes if someone accualy did the beancounting =) |
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| 08:14.55 | mhall | widrone: yes they are pretty good here about running the numbers before doing it stuff |
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| 08:15.02 | Gnea | mhall: but with that many clients, the range itself couldn't cover it, so you'd need to bind the wifi routers to each other to create a larger cloud |
| 08:15.02 | Gnea | mhall: but with that many clients, the range itself couldn't cover it, so you'd need to bind the wifi routers to each other to create a larger cloud |
| 08:15.02 | Kevin` | mhall don't use a cisco ap maybe, although that would be some work |
| 08:15.12 | mhall | widrone: because it is so tightly budgeted now that the training budget this year is $0 |
| 08:15.26 | mhall | Kevin`: but there are over 20 of them already at a few grand apiece |
| 08:15.40 | mhall | Kevin`: and there is a procurement contract in place of some kind |
| 08:15.49 | roboo | Gnea: yes.. but there are some errors |
| 08:16.02 | mhall | Gnea: they all are run through some sort of central management interface |
| 08:16.03 | Gnea | roboo: that's nothing new... go on |
| 08:16.03 | Gnea | roboo: that's nothing new... go on |
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| 08:16.29 | widrone | mhall: guess not everyone has a gigabit to let on the loose. :( |
| 08:16.36 | Gnea | mhall: of course, they need to keep track with one another |
| 08:16.42 | mhall | widrone: yeah we only have an 80mbit connection |
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| 08:16.51 | mhall | widrone: that can burst to 200mbit |
| 08:17.04 | roboo | Gnea: i want to see cpu temperature and acpi don't show .. how can i fix this? |
| 08:17.08 | mhall | widrone: if we had a gigapipe i doubt they would do anything |
| 08:17.16 | mhall | widrone: because then it would not matter much |
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| 08:17.22 | Gnea | roboo: load the acpi module |
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| 08:17.40 | mhall | widrone: just have some kind of egress filter so we don't get blamed for DDOS and stuff, and call it good |
| 08:17.42 | Gnea | roboo: just find the modules in /lib/modules/<kernelversion>/ and load them till it works |
| 08:17.42 | Gnea | roboo: just find the modules in /lib/modules/<kernelversion>/ and load them till it works |
| 08:17.46 | mhall | widrone: then set up optional VPN |
| 08:18.09 | zsa2 | what s it/ |
| 08:18.20 | spdf | zsa2, What's what? |
| 08:18.24 | Gnea | zsa2: your mom. |
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| 08:18.54 | zsa2 | debian sever... |
| 08:18.57 | Gnea | silly college kids |
| 08:19.00 | Gnea | thinking that war is a game |
| 08:19.01 | widrone | mhall: Yupp, sounds like what the wireless ppl got running up where I refer to. Its nice and easy to use for everyone, even the people living around the area. =/ |
| 08:19.34 | mhall | spdf: ssh! don't stoke the flames |
| 08:19.42 | mhall | spdf: making fun of ugly moms is often the funniest ;-) |
| 08:19.43 | spdf | Well.. She might have been included, but, now you know ;) |
| 08:19.56 | spdf | lol.. I can take it. I know she's ugly.. |
| 08:20.07 | mhall | spdf: haha! that's the typical defense |
| 08:20.17 | Gnea | spdf: but what if *i* think she's a milf? ;) |
| 08:20.22 | zsa2 | i beg ur pardon/im still a kid,im only 13years old... |
| 08:20.22 | zsa2 | i beg ur pardon/im still a kid,im only 13years old... |
| 08:20.39 | spdf | Gnea, Fair enough. Different strokes for different folks ;) |
| 08:20.47 | mhall | one of my friends if you tell him a mom joke, he looks all sad and says, "but by mom is dead!" |
| 08:20.48 | Gnea | zsa2: then you're probably in the wrong place. do you even know where you are? |
| 08:21.03 | mhall | so we always say, "no worries. we can always dig her up and skullfuck her!" |
| 08:21.04 | Gnea | mhall: oh ouch |
| 08:21.10 | Gnea | ROFL |
| 08:21.15 | spdf | mhall, Haha.. Gross. |
| 08:21.19 | widrone | zsa2: New debian server you said? |
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| 08:21.30 | mhall | Gnea: he uses it on people who never told him a mom joke before to try to troll them in reverse |
| 08:21.43 | Gnea | mhall: ingenius |
| 08:21.47 | spdf | zsa2, Help us out. Did you have a question? Or, were you just hanging out? |
| 08:21.47 | spdf | zsa2, Help us out. Did you have a question? Or, were you just hanging out? |
| 08:21.49 | mhall | Gnea: but we're used to it by now so we just offer to retrieve her from her burial plot |
| 08:21.58 | Gnea | !tell zsa2 about rules |
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| 08:22.05 | mhall | Gnea: yeah it's really quite funny to watch people backpedal the mom joke as fast as they can |
| 08:22.08 | spdf | I'm sure he's not above digging up a pile of ashes.. |
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| 08:22.33 | mhall | Gnea: then he practically falls over laughing at their gullibility |
| 08:22.35 | zsa2 | what r dis grls talking about/,mayb they r al crazy... |
| 08:22.41 | LinuxNewbie | hello how do i know if i have Common Internet File System enabled in my system? |
| 08:22.53 | mhall | spdf: yeah that's one of the more profane your mom exchanges i've had |
| 08:22.53 | mhall | spdf: yeah that's one of the more profane your mom exchanges i've had |
| 08:23.06 | spdf | mhall, Its effective.. lol |
| 08:23.18 | widrone | zsa2: Thank you for playing, sorry. No prize for you! |
| 08:23.20 | Gnea | oh thank god |
| 08:23.24 | roboo | um.. how can i remove ".ko" part from "evbug.ko" this file name with a bash command ? |
| 08:23.24 | roboo | um.. how can i remove ".ko" part from "evbug.ko" this file name with a bash command ? |
| 08:23.25 | Kevin` | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:23.26 | mhall | LinuxNewbie: i'm working on it |
| 08:23.30 | spdf | "So.. You're mom's dead? I'd dig 'er up and hump her bones... I bet she's a hottie" |
| 08:23.33 | bbrazil | roboo: rename |
| 08:23.45 | roboo | bbrazil: no.. i'll only echo that's name |
| 08:23.47 | bbrazil | roboo: for one file use mv |
| 08:23.49 | mhall | LinuxNewbie: see if you have /proc/fs/cifs |
| 08:23.49 | mhall | LinuxNewbie: see if you have /proc/fs/cifs |
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| 08:23.57 | bbrazil | roboo: ah - basename |
| 08:23.59 | mhall | spdf: it's sort of like the dead baby jokes |
| 08:24.08 | mhall | spdf: i wonder if you could make some dead mom jokes |
| 08:24.11 | fireba11 | *bah* hate disconnects |
| 08:24.11 | fireba11 | *bah* hate disconnects |
| 08:24.14 | LinuxNewbie | no such file |
| 08:24.14 | Gnea | LinuxNewbie: it should be in the filesystem (fs) module directory, already loaded, or compiled in (check /proc/filesystems |
| 08:24.26 | LinuxNewbie | ok wait |
| 08:24.27 | spdf | Haha.. You could probably use any of the dead baby jokes in place of dead mom jokes.. |
| 08:24.27 | spdf | Haha.. You could probably use any of the dead baby jokes in place of dead mom jokes.. |
| 08:24.41 | Gnea | spdf: stop. |
| 08:25.06 | spdf | "What's the difference between fucking a dead mom and a live mom?" "The live mom moans when it feels good!" ... or something... and I'm done Gnea... :) |
| 08:25.06 | mhall | spdf: what's the difference between a dead mom and a watermelon? one's fun to hit with an axe... and the other's a watermelon! |
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| 08:25.19 | LinuxNewbie | i only found nfsd |
| 08:25.35 | LinuxNewbie | i means i dont have have it right? |
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| 08:25.40 | fireba11 | !smite mhall |
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| 08:25.43 | Gnea | ok, the jokes have gone downhill REALLY fast |
| 08:26.14 | LinuxNewbie | how do i enable it or install it? i tried synaptic and found nothing |
| 08:26.16 | mhall | hmm somehow that smite hasn't made me any more punctual |
| 08:26.16 | mhall | hmm somehow that smite hasn't made me any more punctual |
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| 08:26.17 | mhall | :-) |
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| 08:26.36 | Gnea | LinuxNewbie: cifs is part of the kernel, you may need to recompile to enable it |
| 08:26.41 | spdf | Gnea, And by downhill you mean "IN THE GRAVE!"... Snap! |
| 08:26.47 | Gnea | LinuxNewbie: or just compile the module itself |
| 08:26.55 | syntaxx | is there somebody here already installed bootsplash in nvidia? |
| 08:26.56 | Gnea | spdf: damn right |
| 08:26.56 | Gnea | spdf: damn right |
| 08:27.18 | fatal_ | cifs is available in 2.6... no need to recompile anything. |
| 08:27.27 | roboo | Gnea: debian:/lib/modules/2.6.12-1-386# acpi -t |
| 08:27.27 | roboo | No support for device type: thermal |
| 08:27.27 | roboo | Gnea: debian:/lib/modules/2.6.12-1-386# acpi -t |
| 08:27.27 | roboo | No support for device type: thermal |
| 08:27.27 | Gnea | hrm |
| 08:27.29 | LinuxNewbie | hhmm... im on 2.6 |
| 08:27.31 | mhall | LinuxNewbie: hey you might just need a kernel module |
| 08:27.31 | mhall | LinuxNewbie: hey you might just need a kernel module |
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| 08:27.38 | mhall | LinuxNewbie: maybe try modprobe cifs |
| 08:27.45 | mo1991 | mhall thanks |
| 08:27.53 | takatumi | roboo: no progress eh? |
| 08:27.56 | spdf | roboo, Give us some motherboard/kernel specs... |
| 08:27.56 | spdf | roboo, Give us some motherboard/kernel specs... |
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| 08:28.03 | mo1991 | seems to be working now - no problems complaining about dcgui not allowed |
| 08:28.04 | mhall | mo1991: hey did it work? |
| 08:28.07 | roboo | takatumi: no :( |
| 08:28.08 | mo1991 | seems to be fine |
| 08:28.08 | mo1991 | seems to be fine |
| 08:28.10 | mo1991 | mhall |
| 08:28.11 | mo1991 | above |
| 08:28.13 | mhall | mo1991: hell yeah! score! |
| 08:28.19 | mo1991 | yup - thx man |
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| 08:28.20 | LinuxNewbie | if tried this modprobe cifs and then nothing happened |
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| 08:28.20 | LinuxNewbie | if tried this modprobe cifs and then nothing happened |
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| 08:28.24 | Kevin` | I hate it when my laptop suddenly dies because the power plug fell out an hour ago |
| 08:28.30 | roboo | spdf: 2.6.12-1-386 kernel and via chipset motherboard |
| 08:28.32 | fatal_ | LinuxNewbie: thats a good sign... no error. |
| 08:28.36 | mhall | mo1991: just pass on the knowledge when somebody else needs to build some debian source alright |
| 08:28.36 | fireba11 | Kevin`: hehe |
| 08:28.36 | fireba11 | Kevin`: hehe |
| 08:28.37 | Gnea | LinuxNewbie: cat /proc/filesystems now |
| 08:28.42 | LinuxNewbie | =) |
| 08:28.44 | mo1991 | mhall most of the channels I wanted to get in immediatley booted me - fine now just |
| 08:28.58 | mhall | mo1991: lol that's righteously elite |
| 08:28.59 | roboo | spdf: asus a8v |
| 08:29.02 | spdf | mo1991, From source?! You're crazy ;) |
| 08:29.11 | mo1991 | mhall, I will - I'm going to take down some notes right now so I don't forget |
| 08:29.12 | mo1991 | mhall, I will - I'm going to take down some notes right now so I don't forget |
| 08:29.15 | widrone | Kevin`: Easy, just remove the battery. That way it stops rigth away. not an hour later. |
| 08:29.17 | Kevin` | fireba11 it's taught me to use screen extensively though |
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| 08:29.22 | mhall | mo1991: you h4x3d their b0n3z |
| 08:29.24 | LinuxNewbie | i found this : nodev cifs |
| 08:29.29 | LinuxNewbie | is that ok? |
| 08:29.33 | Kevin` | lol widrone |
| 08:29.33 | Kevin` | lol widrone |
| 08:29.34 | Gnea | heh... |
| 08:29.38 | Gnea | LinuxNewbie: yeah |
| 08:29.41 | mhall | LinuxNewbie: haha sweet |
| 08:29.52 | mhall | LinuxNewbie: looks like it oughta work now |
| 08:30.03 | LinuxNewbie | ok thnx alo men |
| 08:30.03 | Gnea | mhall: dude, what are you smoking and where can i get some? :) |
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| 08:30.10 | fireba11 | !confuse mhall |
| 08:30.11 | dpkg | No, what is my mushroom yesterday, mhall? trousers of the democracy of belarus with extra anchovies |
| 08:30.25 | fatal_ | LinuxNewbie: you might want to add "cifs" to /etc/modules to make sure it gets loaded every time you reboot.... (so you don't have to manually modprobe it every time). |
| 08:30.41 | LinuxNewbie | how do i do that? |
| 08:30.49 | Gnea | LinuxNewbie: edit the /etc/modules file |
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| 08:30.57 | LinuxNewbie | ah? ok wait |
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| 08:31.02 | fatal_ | LinuxNewbie: eigther with a text editor or: echo cifs >> /etc/modules |
| 08:31.04 | Kevin` | I should make a script to automatically start the wifi crap |
| 08:31.07 | Gnea | ...with a text editor |
| 08:31.09 | jengelh | what is the standardized way of removing a service from a runlevel in deb? |
| 08:31.14 | Gnea | such as vim |
| 08:31.18 | jm_ | jengelh: /msg dpkg services |
| 08:31.27 | Gnea | jengelh: with update-rc.d |
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| 08:31.50 | roboo | Probing for `VIA Technologies VT82C686 Integrated Sensors' |
| 08:31.50 | roboo | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:31.50 | roboo | Probing for `VIA Technologies VT82C686 Integrated Sensors' |
| 08:31.50 | roboo | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:31.52 | LinuxNewbie | ok i found PS... ide-CD |
| 08:32.01 | LinuxNewbie | ill just add cifs there? |
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| 08:32.08 | mhall | Gnea: well nothing per se, i have a pretty bad case of asthma |
| 08:32.35 | jengelh | rm is not so standardized, dpkg ;) |
| 08:32.38 | roboo | http://pastebin.com/399594 |
| 08:32.38 | roboo | http://pastebin.com/399594 |
| 08:32.49 | mhall | Gnea: i'm just a pretty energetic guy when it comes to Debian because i like Debian and i like trying to help users as much as possible |
| 08:32.49 | LinuxNewbie | ok i add cifs in /etc/modules |
| 08:32.56 | widrone | LinuxNewbie: /etc/modules cifs in there yes. |
| 08:33.01 | Kevin` | ya, redhat breaks rm.. |
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| 08:33.12 | mhall | Gnea: i know i'm not always the best at it but i'll keep trying for as long as i can to get them what they need |
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| 08:33.26 | takatumi | !mhallsmite mhall |
| 08:33.27 | dpkg | Fuck mhall. Fuck it in the asshole with a big rubber dick. |
| 08:33.34 | Gnea | hahaha |
| 08:33.37 | takatumi | at the best. :) |
| 08:33.37 | takatumi | at the best. :) |
| 08:33.48 | LinuxNewbie | ok thnx alot men ill try to check if the system is running properly in the mean while ill take a well earned sleep |
| 08:33.49 | syntaxx | is there somebody here already installed bootsplash in nvidia? |
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| 08:34.07 | Gnea | sleep... ah yes |
| 08:34.18 | LinuxNewbie | =) thnx a lot guys have a pleasant day to all of you thnx for your patience |
| 08:34.23 | Gnea | syntaxx: in nvidia? |
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| 08:34.34 | Gnea | LinuxNewbie: no problem have fun |
| 08:34.34 | smartbhai | syntaxx :yes |
| 08:34.34 | smartbhai | syntaxx :yes |
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| 08:34.46 | LinuxNewbie | bye good day |
| 08:34.47 | spdf | LinuxNewbie, Any time.. :) (I say that like I helped... :P) |
| 08:34.56 | syntaxx | Gnea: what i mean install bootsplash in a new kernel and have a nvidia vc |
| 08:34.56 | Gnea | hahaha |
| 08:34.56 | Gnea | hahaha |
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| 08:35.10 | syntaxx | smartbhai: i have problems i cant run my X when nvidia module is loaded |
| 08:35.11 | smartbhai | syntaxx : whats the trouble |
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| 08:35.29 | mhall | takatumi: meh whatever, i'm not about to be trolled by my own smite |
| 08:35.30 | smartbhai | syntaxx : u mean the closed driver module |
| 08:35.31 | Gnea | syntaxx: but then it wouldn't work well with the nvidia X driver - what about vesa? |
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| 08:35.42 | syntaxx | smartbhai: yeah |
| 08:35.44 | mhall | i do my best to help the users, so my conscience is clear |
| 08:35.45 | takatumi | mhall: cheers. ;) |
| 08:36.04 | syntaxx | Gnea: i guess i think it just the X |
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| 08:36.08 | Gnea | mhall: but you've already been trolled by your own smite ;) |
| 08:36.11 | smartbhai | syntaxx : what does the log say |
| 08:36.11 | smartbhai | syntaxx : what does the log say |
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| 08:36.45 | Gnea | syntaxx: do you mean when the kernel boots or when the nvidia 'eye' logo appears with the white background on the screen? |
| 08:36.46 | syntaxx | smartbhai: #paste? |
| 08:36.46 | syntaxx | smartbhai: #paste? |
| 08:36.51 | syntaxx | smartbhai: #flood rather |
| 08:36.57 | smartbhai | ya |
| 08:36.57 | smartbhai | ya |
| 08:37.12 | syntaxx | Gnea: the splash screen of nvidia |
| 08:37.25 | Gnea | syntaxx: oh, you want to get rid of it? |
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| 08:37.56 | syntaxx | Gnea: no i want to run the nvidia X driver |
| 08:37.57 | Gnea | syntaxx: #nvidia |
| 08:37.57 | Gnea | syntaxx: #nvidia |
| 08:38.03 | Gnea | oooh |
| 08:38.06 | Gnea | !nvidia one-liner |
| 08:38.06 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 08:38.10 | syntaxx | smartbhai: its moderated |
| 08:38.10 | Noid | syntaxx: /msg dpkg nvidia-howto |
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| 08:38.16 | Gnea | syntaxx: check that ^^^ |
| 08:38.16 | Gnea | syntaxx: check that ^^^ |
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| 08:38.24 | mhall | Gnea: believe what you like |
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| 08:38.33 | syntaxx | Gnea: yeah i already done that i have no problems in it.. it just when using nvidia on X it doesnt load |
| 08:38.35 | mo1991 | mhall, going to bed now, thx again |
| 08:38.43 | mhall | mo1991: enjoy, man |
| 08:38.43 | mhall | mo1991: enjoy, man |
| 08:38.45 | Gnea | mhall: 01:33 < dpkg> Fuck mhall. Fuck it in the asshole with a big rubber dick. |
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| 08:38.47 | mhall | mo1991: glad it worked! |
| 08:38.52 | Gnea | mhall: it's quite plain :) |
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| 08:39.09 | jm_ | so maybe you should check X logfile to find out why it doesn't start, your debugging skills are non-existent |
| 08:39.12 | mhall | Gnea: i'm glad you think it |
| 08:39.12 | mhall | Gnea: i'm glad you think it |
| 08:39.34 | Gnea | mhall: i see it, therefore it is there. you try to deny what is real? |
| 08:39.53 | smartbhai | syntaxx : did the drievr install ok ? |
| 08:39.55 | Noid | Gnea: depends on how much acid you took |
| 08:40.01 | mhall | Gnea: however you like it |
| 08:40.16 | Gnea | mhall: i'm not that anal :) |
| 08:40.28 | Gnea | Noid: good point |
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| 08:40.52 | mhall | Gnea: oral, anal, vaginal, take your pick, it's all the same to me, since i'm not involved |
| 08:40.54 | syntaxx | smartbhai: yeah on my stock kernel it works fine but when on my new kernel with bootsplash it doesnt =\ |
| 08:41.14 | Gnea | mhall: ah but by not being involved it's actually nothing to you |
| 08:41.31 | smartbhai | syntaxx : u enabled nvidia fb support in the kernel? |
| 08:41.35 | mhall | Gnea: if you say so |
| 08:41.42 | Noid | syntaxx: you know you have to compile again part of the driver when you change kernels, do you? |
| 08:41.47 | Gnea | mhall: but you already said it |
| 08:41.50 | syntaxx | smartbhai: yeah |
| 08:42.05 | msn | syntaxx: did you recomple the driver for the new kernel |
| 08:42.05 | syntaxx | Noid: yeah i follow it again on my new kernel still no use |
| 08:42.05 | syntaxx | Noid: yeah i follow it again on my new kernel still no use |
| 08:42.11 | syntaxx | i did |
| 08:42.13 | smartbhai | syntaxx : havent tried that .. which kernel are u using |
| 08:42.25 | syntaxx | ..paranoia.3f(bitchx.1.1-final+).. linux 2.6.13.102005(syntaxx) |
| 08:42.26 | msn | I don't think the kernel fb works with the nevidia closed driver |
| 08:42.34 | syntaxx | 2.6.13 |
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| 08:42.39 | Gnea | msn: it does if it's vesa |
| 08:42.51 | msn | but he is using vga |
| 08:42.58 | smartbhai | syntaxx: im using kernel 2.6.13 and couldnt even install the nvidia drivers.. maybe what msn told is true |
| 08:42.59 | mhall | Gnea: well if i did say it, then i did say it; and, if i did not say it, then i did not say it; i would say |
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| 08:43.15 | smartbhai | syntaxx : im using vesa frame buffer that will work |
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| 08:43.25 | msn | syntaxx: I am running nvidia pci express and agp and home and office works fine |
| 08:43.25 | msn | syntaxx: I am running nvidia pci express and agp and home and office works fine |
| 08:43.32 | msn | I have the vesafb disabled |
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| 08:43.42 | Gnea | mhall: you, sir, need to drink more beer |
| 08:43.48 | msn | so try dropping the fb and start X |
| 08:44.14 | msn | the Vesa fb workd with the kernel nv driver |
| 08:44.19 | mhall | Gnea: i'll add it to my grocery list |
| 08:44.23 | cosminb | anyone knows how to grant a mysql user the privileges to create views (CREATE VIEW command)? |
| 08:44.24 | msn | it doesn't work with the closed nvidia module |
| 08:44.24 | msn | it doesn't work with the closed nvidia module |
| 08:44.31 | Gnea | mhall: a fine choice |
| 08:44.42 | jm_ | msn: he needs FB crap for bootsplash shit |
| 08:44.44 | msn | cosminb: #mysql |
| 08:44.48 | mhall | Gnea: i'll take your word for it |
| 08:44.48 | mhall | Gnea: i'll take your word for it |
| 08:44.53 | cosminb | msn: ok, thanks |
| 08:44.56 | cosminb | :) |
| 08:45.15 | msn | syntaxx: then use the kernel nv driver |
| 08:45.23 | msn | it should work fine with it |
| 08:45.33 | Gnea | mhall: no, you can't take that, but you can take the air in front of you, inhale it, and then exhale it |
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| 08:46.07 | mhall | Gnea: thereby prolonging my existence and thereby your annoyance. ah, the irony of it all. |
| 08:46.11 | Gnea | and on that note, it's bedtime |
| 08:46.43 | fireba11 | Gnea: depends on your timezine ^^ |
| 08:46.49 | spdf | Gnea, That 'er ease. |
| 08:46.53 | Gnea | mhall: i'm sorry if you feel annoyed, but seriously, this would be less annoying if beer was involved. and sadly, i ran out yesterday |
| 08:46.53 | Gnea | mhall: i'm sorry if you feel annoyed, but seriously, this would be less annoying if beer was involved. and sadly, i ran out yesterday |
| 08:46.54 | Kevin` | heh i'm too tired to log in and set up networking again |
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| 08:46.58 | Kevin` | time to sleep |
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| 08:47.39 | widrone | Im trying to 'cdrecord -scanbus' and getting no happy answers. lsusb lists the device, this could be module related in kernel. Or may it be some config options in debian. |
| 08:47.56 | mhall | Gnea: No soap. Beer! |
| 08:48.02 | Kevin` | usb cd recorder? |
| 08:48.03 | spdf | widrone, cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc -scanbus <-- Try that (if /dev/hdc is your cdrom device) |
| 08:48.03 | spdf | widrone, cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc -scanbus <-- Try that (if /dev/hdc is your cdrom device) |
| 08:48.25 | Gnea | bathtubs filled with beer are the best |
| 08:48.33 | syntaxx | msn: yeah it works but it changed to low resolution |
| 08:48.50 | widrone | spdf: external USB enclosure, shows in dmsg, but gets no assigned device. |
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| 08:50.30 | widrone | I got a cdrom module not used by any other modules that is. But its a no stock debian kernel so thats a bummer for me. |
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| 08:51.19 | msn | syntaxx: disable the boosplash, and vesafb and use the closed nvidia module now |
| 08:51.22 | Skiver | how do i know which conf file is my apache using ? |
| 08:51.22 | Skiver | how do i know which conf file is my apache using ? |
| 08:51.24 | msn | it should work |
| 08:51.24 | wangzhao | ? |
| 08:51.27 | wangzhao | help |
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| 08:52.11 | widrone | !help wangzhao |
| 08:52.29 | widrone | wangzhao: You seem like you have a problem. |
| 08:52.38 | syntaxx | msn: it works fine without bootsplash on my stock kernel though.. |
| 08:52.57 | wangzhao | Oh,I'm new to irc. |
| 08:53.05 | msn | syntaxx: unload the kernel module for vesafb, and edit your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or /etc/X11/xorg.conf and reload driver "nv" with drive "nvidia" and your X would work fine to almost all the resolutions your monitor supports |
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| 08:53.25 | widrone | spdf: 1,5,0 is something I tried, its a no go. |
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| 08:54.04 | syntaxx | msn: in what file do i need to check to unload vesafb module? |
| 08:54.13 | widrone | wangzhao: Great, good luck. You running a new debian install then? Or just ircnew? |
| 08:54.30 | msn | syntaxx: rmmod |
| 08:54.51 | msn | and if you want to diable permanantly try /etc/modules or if you have modconf installed try that |
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| 08:55.29 | syntaxx | msn: ok how bout my bootsplash does it works fine if i disable the vesafb module? |
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| 08:55.58 | wangzhao | This is the first time i use the irc,I have some problem with it. |
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| 08:57.51 | widrone | wangzhao: /join #help or something. Think they try to keep it mostly debian spesific related in this "room". |
| 08:57.56 | msn | syntaxx: nope |
| 08:57.56 | msn | syntaxx: nope |
| 08:58.05 | msn | you have to use menu or image |
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| 08:58.22 | wangzhao | Oh,Thank you very much! |
| 08:58.27 | syntaxx | msn: ok ill try im using modconf now |
| 08:58.37 | msn | syntaxx: image runs fine with nvidia |
| 08:59.23 | widrone | wangzhao: If you want to learn about debian spesifics have a talk to the dpkg bot. We are helpfull like that us monkeybots. |
| 08:59.25 | syntaxx | msn: where do i find the vesafb in modconf? |
| 08:59.25 | syntaxx | msn: where do i find the vesafb in modconf? |
| 08:59.39 | msn | must be in drivers video |
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| 09:00.08 | syntaxx | msn: vfb? because there's no vesafb in it |
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| 09:00.19 | msn | syntaxx: yeah |
| 09:00.26 | susp3ct | Hi guys, I have setup log watch on sevral of my servers and want to send it via mail to an account. The servers dont run X so what would be a good small package that I can install to send mail? |
| 09:00.47 | bboett | hello! someone knows how to get vhosts working with apache2 under debian unstable? |
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| 09:01.05 | jm_ | susp3ct: what does mail got to do with X? |
| 09:01.19 | syntaxx | msn: ok then do i need to reboot? |
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| 09:01.47 | heatxsink_ | how do I add universe and multiverse/ |
| 09:01.48 | heatxsink_ | ? |
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| 09:02.41 | msn | syntaxx: try rmmod vfb |
| 09:02.49 | msn | syntaxx: that should work, |
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| 09:04.08 | syntaxx | msn: ERROR: Module vfb does not exist in /proc/modules |
| 09:04.32 | sep | heatxsink_, apt-get install openuniverse perhaps ? |
| 09:04.56 | kh7v7 | my terms were broken after upgrading to sarge. the shell works fine. nano takes backspace as del. echo $TERM says xterm-color over ssh. things work fine in console. any hints? |
| 09:04.57 | susp3ct | jm_, I mentioned it so people dont suggest kmail or evolution |
| 09:04.57 | susp3ct | jm_, I mentioned it so people dont suggest kmail or evolution |
| 09:05.58 | bibe | susp3ct : exim4 |
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| 09:06.02 | jm_ | susp3ct: why would they? logwatch sends the mail itself, you need something to read it - I suppose you asked the wrong question |
| 09:06.29 | syntaxx | msn: do i need to restart? |
| 09:07.01 | dli | which package for tty from inittab? |
| 09:07.11 | Nurbs | susp3ct: you actually don't need an X server on the machine where it's running for X apps, to be exact :) |
| 09:07.13 | msn | syntaxx: you should |
| 09:07.17 | heatxsink_ | sep: hehe, nice one |
| 09:07.17 | heatxsink_ | sep: hehe, nice one |
| 09:07.41 | msn | syntaxx: but before restarting, just edit lilo/grub for non vfb booting |
| 09:07.41 | msn | syntaxx: but before restarting, just edit lilo/grub for non vfb booting |
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| 09:07.52 | msn | syntaxx: or you might not see anyting while booting |
| 09:08.00 | syntaxx | msn: ok |
| 09:08.47 | syntaxx | brb |
| 09:08.55 | susp3ct | jm_, I dont want the mail to be delivered locally, I want the mail to be sent to an email address and its not doing that.... Im only asking to get opinions or suggestions on what to use... I just want a basic package to send mail |
| 09:09.56 | heatxsink_ | what do I need to add to my sources.list to get fglrx xserver for xorg |
| 09:09.56 | jm_ | susp3ct: right, you need a MTA - exim, exim4, postfix will all do - but there are simpler ones, like ssmpt or masqmail |
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| 09:10.06 | jm_ | pick one depending on your setup and needs |
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| 09:10.21 | NiklasH_work | we're going to migrate our cvs repository to another server. now what i'm wondering is if it's possible to just move the repository dir to the new server, give it the old servers ip number, and the users won't notice that anything has happened? |
| 09:10.38 | NiklasH_work | (i also checked #cvs, but it seems dead...) |
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| 09:11.16 | susp3ct | jm_, thanks |
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| 09:11.44 | xwolf | NiklasH_work: should be no problem |
| 09:11.57 | msn | NiklasH_work: I think it should work, I had setup an rsync between 2 machines, for the cvs repository, and if the main went down I just made the users change ip in the cvs cmd and it worked |
| 09:11.57 | kh7v7 | susp3ct: may find this link useful http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~lativyn/articles/debian-mutt/ |
| 09:12.13 | msn | so it should work fine in your case |
| 09:12.13 | msn | so it should work fine in your case |
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| 09:12.37 | G2 | I see OOffice 2 is out |
| 09:12.45 | xwolf | NiklasH_work: as long as the paths stay the same. if you're using ssh the host key will like change, but thats just a nuisance |
| 09:12.54 | NiklasH_work | great, thanks! just as i thought, then |
| 09:13.08 | snail | NiklasH_work: cvs was not dead last time i check, idle there. I believe the answer they will give you will be (a) disallow connections (b) backup (c) copy data, being careful to check uids match (d) config cvs on new server (e) swtich ip (f) enable access |
| 09:13.14 | msn | heatxsink_: xorg is available in debian sid |
| 09:13.53 | NiklasH_work | a bit smoother than having to wait for everyone to check in their stuff |
| 09:13.54 | snail | NiklasH_work: race conditions may occur if people check things in as you make the switch... |
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| 09:14.28 | NiklasH_work | yeah, obviously they can't have access while i switch, but that should be a relatively short period |
| 09:14.35 | msn | NiklasH_work: whatever you do, just stop the cvs for atleast the time when you decide to do the moving |
| 09:14.42 | heatxsink_ | msn: what is sid? |
| 09:14.45 | NiklasH_work | exactly |
| 09:14.47 | NiklasH_work | exactly |
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| 09:14.53 | NiklasH_work | thanks, all! |
| 09:14.54 | msn | heatxsink_: debian unstable |
| 09:14.58 | heatxsink_ | ahh |
| 09:15.00 | heatxsink_ | okay |
| 09:15.02 | heatxsink_ | thanks |
| 09:15.06 | msn | np |
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| 09:16.00 | heatxsink_ | msn: I added unstable to my sources.list |
| 09:16.09 | heatxsink_ | did apt-get update |
| 09:16.15 | heatxsink_ | then searched for fglrx |
| 09:16.15 | heatxsink_ | then searched for fglrx |
| 09:16.19 | heatxsink_ | it's not there |
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| 09:17.17 | syntaxx | msn: still not working =\ anyway ill better stick to my stock kernel heh |
| 09:17.28 | Danar | is there a proper way to clear the logs in /var/log? |
| 09:17.28 | Danar | is there a proper way to clear the logs in /var/log? |
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| 09:18.50 | jass | good morning |
| 09:19.08 | kh7v7 | hello jass |
| 09:19.18 | msn | syntaxx: should work, I had disabled vfb in the beginning and it worked. |
| 09:19.25 | msn | did your module compile fine |
| 09:19.38 | msn | syntaxx: check lsmod to see if nvidia is loaded |
| 09:19.57 | syntaxx | msn: it is loaded |
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| 09:20.14 | Danar | i'm in gnome, and for some reason the bar at the bottom jumped to the top, and i can't get it back to the bottom. when i try to drag it, it doesn't move and my mouse cursor stays stuck with the move cursor |
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| 09:20.30 | jass | i can't figure one thing out, I installed apache2 and my www root is in /var/www, but every time i try to access it with a web browser it keeps redirecting me to /apache2-default, why is that and does eny1 have an idea how to fix this? |
| 09:21.07 | msn | syntaxx: what errror do you get in /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
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| 09:21.35 | Danar | and i can't click anything. hitting alt+f1 fixes it, but i still can't move the bar |
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| 09:22.49 | jass | okay, apt-get remove apache2 then and apt-get install apace :) |
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| 09:23.28 | syntaxx | msn, in my stock kernel it says NVIDIA 3D Acceleration Architecture Initialized Using the NVIDIA 2 acceleration architecture but in my custom kernel it says unloadable module "nvidia" |
| 09:23.31 | msn | jass: you want to use apache 2 or apache 1 |
| 09:24.00 | msn | syntaxx: I think you should stick to stock kernel for the closed module |
| 09:24.04 | jass | I dont care actually, I just want it to work with php |
| 09:24.06 | bboett | jass: fix /etc/apache2/sites-available/default |
| 09:24.07 | Ireul | hi |
| 09:24.16 | Ireul | please I've got a problem with matroxfb and my G400: console graphics is messed up after I load the module... |
| 09:24.21 | syntaxx | msn: i think too.. no bootsplash for me hehe |
| 09:24.36 | msn | well I don't need bootsplash |
| 09:24.43 | syntaxx | msn: im just bored in my box because of my incoming port is being blocked by my isp |
| 09:24.43 | syntaxx | msn: im just bored in my box because of my incoming port is being blocked by my isp |
| 09:24.48 | bboett | if ever someone knows how to get vhosts working under apache2 and debian.... |
| 09:25.02 | msn | syntaxx: I don't remember the last time, I saw my debian boot :P |
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| 09:25.24 | jass | bboett: thnks, I found it! |
| 09:25.25 | msn | it been up for almost 2 weeks now, and even if it reboots I am not there, its automatic |
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| 09:25.36 | msn | syntaxx: so what's in boot doesn't matter |
| 09:25.37 | syntaxx | msn, cant even up my email and webserver =\ thats why im trying a non important things |
| 09:25.37 | bboett | np jass |
| 09:25.37 | bboett | np jass |
| 09:25.39 | heatxsink_ | how come I can't install xorg, instead of my already installed xfree86? |
| 09:25.42 | Danar | can no one help me? |
| 09:25.52 | msn | syntaxx: which router/modem you have |
| 09:26.15 | syntaxx | msn: im wifi and being natted. im using edimax router |
| 09:26.25 | Danar | is there a proper way to clear the logs in /var/log? |
| 09:26.29 | msn | syntaxx: telnet into the modem/router and thre should be a nat option in it |
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| 09:26.44 | msn | forward your incoming ports to your local ip there |
| 09:26.52 | smartbhai | Danar : u can delete the gnome user files in ur home directory.. to get a clean start |
| 09:26.55 | Danar | is there anything wrong with simply rming them? |
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| 09:27.06 | smartbhai | Danar : remeber the settings for the gui will be lost.. |
| 09:27.17 | syntaxx | msn, yeah i know.. i already done that.. but the problem is my incming port is being blocked by my isp |
| 09:27.21 | Danar | smartbhai, all i want is to move the bar |
| 09:27.40 | syntaxx | msn, so even i port forward my incoming port.. its still no use |
| 09:27.41 | widrone | Danar: There are some logrotate things but Im thinking you are looking to rm them away? |
| 09:27.52 | Danar | widrone, i need the space |
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| 09:27.57 | smartbhai | Danar : i never had a similar problem.. can u drag it to the left or something |
| 09:28.05 | Danar | smartbhai, no |
| 09:28.15 | takatumi | Danar: is it locked or somesuch? |
| 09:28.47 | syntaxx | msn, i also try to ask the tech in my provider.. they cant open it because of my subscription is just for home use.. they suggest corporate subscription |
| 09:28.50 | Danar | takatumi, how do i tell? and if it were, how did it get moved in the first place? |
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| 09:29.20 | takatumi | Danar: vaguely remember something, been a while, poke around. |
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| 09:29.45 | widrone | syntaxx: They are sticking you for more money to not firewall you. Greast ISP =) |
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| 09:29.59 | Danar | widrone, is there something wrong with rming them? i would imagine certain things expect them to be there... |
| 09:30.13 | Danar | not sure if they'd just get recreated or not |
| 09:30.14 | syntaxx | widrone, indeed and they suck |
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| 09:30.31 | kh7v7 | laters all |
| 09:30.44 | smartbhai | Danar : remove the gnome user files .. it wont cause much problem |
| 09:31.01 | smartbhai | .gnome .gnome2 etc .. |
| 09:31.05 | widrone | syntaxx: tunnel from a machine that can handle the bw? Screw them! |
| 09:31.15 | Danar | smartbhai, wouldn't i have to log out for it to have an effect? |
| 09:31.22 | smartbhai | yes |
| 09:32.09 | Danar | smartbhai, i just moved it a few minutes ago somehow (on accident). all i want is to move it back. your solution is kind of extreme it seems |
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| 09:32.45 | syntaxx | widrone, heh |
| 09:32.57 | smartbhai | Danar : its not a big problem .. just remove the ~/.gnome directory |
| 09:32.58 | widrone | Danar: If you produce log output they should just come back, I usualy just rm if I need them gone. But if you *need* logs gone, look to other programs to overwrite with entropy. |
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| 09:33.04 | jass | one more stupid question, how do I set my mysql root password after I have installed it? |
| 09:33.30 | jm_ | read the docs in /usr/share/doc/mysql* |
| 09:33.39 | Danar | widrone, can't i just empty them somehow? it's not that i want the files gone, it's just that they're too big |
| 09:33.48 | syntaxx | laterz |
| 09:33.48 | syntaxx | laterz |
| 09:34.02 | jass | jm_:thnks |
| 09:34.14 | assink | jass: prolly just in the configfiles |
| 09:34.18 | assink | but i am not sure about it |
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| 09:34.38 | jass | there should be a command for that, but i'm not sure |
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| 09:34.53 | davi___ | How to know what locales are installed in the system? |
| 09:35.06 | jm_ | tried locale -a? |
| 09:35.15 | octav | i'm on a system where i don't have root.. how can i change the keymap to my preference? |
| 09:35.33 | assink | did you read man mysqld jass ? |
| 09:35.36 | susp3ct | bboett, there should be a default config of a virtual host in /etc/apache2/sites-avaliable/default. Copy the config from that and put it in another text file and name it whatever... change the values for your new vhost. Create a sym link in /etc/apache2/sites/enabled and restart apache.... this is very vague and it would be best if you read the docs ;D |
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| 09:35.48 | assink | :) |
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| 09:36.22 | widrone | Danar: Just rm, or look at the manpage of your logging tool to log to remote hosts, no log etc. |
| 09:36.28 | davi___ | thanks jm_ |
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| 09:36.54 | assink | hmz |
| 09:37.12 | assink | i hate wireless cards from now on |
| 09:37.17 | assink | pcmia cards then |
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| 09:38.58 | assink | they really suck |
| 09:39.04 | assink | have to fix one now |
| 09:39.07 | octav | i'm on a system where i don't have root.. how can i change the keymap to my preference? |
| 09:39.07 | octav | i'm on a system where i don't have root.. how can i change the keymap to my preference? |
| 09:39.11 | Shadur | I love the way debian's apache2 handles sites and modules. |
| 09:39.12 | assink | rt2500 chipset |
| 09:39.23 | assink | on a FC4 laptop |
| 09:39.27 | jm_ | keymap in X? there are many tools for it, man loadkeys for console |
| 09:40.03 | assink | and one other thing |
| 09:40.06 | assink | i dont like fedora core |
| 09:40.07 | assink | :P |
| 09:40.07 | assink | :P |
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| 09:40.22 | octav | jm_: thank you |
| 09:40.31 | davi___ | jm_, How to know what is the default character encoding ? , that is to say, ISO-8859-1 or any other. |
| 09:40.31 | davi___ | jm_, How to know what is the default character encoding ? , that is to say, ISO-8859-1 or any other. |
| 09:40.39 | jm_ | octav: search for xkb |
| 09:40.53 | jm_ | davi___: for current locale? |
| 09:40.59 | davi___ | yes |
| 09:41.02 | susp3ct | assink, but I cant diss FC because I could say that was a starting point for me with my journeys with linux ;) |
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| 09:41.16 | jm_ | locale charmap will tell you |
| 09:41.23 | davi___ | thanks |
| 09:41.32 | assink | susp3ct: i started with debian :P |
| 09:41.32 | assink | susp3ct: i started with debian :P |
| 09:41.40 | assink | susp3ct: running ubuntu now on my home desktop |
| 09:42.20 | Ireul | please I've got a problem with matroxfb and my G400: console graphics is messed up after I load the module... |
| 09:42.22 | assink | yesterday my filesystem crashed on my desktop |
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| 09:42.23 | assink | :( |
| 09:42.27 | assink | lost 120 gb data |
| 09:42.42 | Danar | in ubuntu? |
| 09:42.56 | assink | uhuh |
| 09:43.06 | Danar | :/ |
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| 09:43.10 | Danar | what fs? |
| 09:43.14 | assink | ext3 |
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| 09:43.32 | susp3ct | assink, I tried to start with debian but failed.... only because I had no knowledge of linux and had a 'windows mentality' so fedora (redhat) was the next best thing and got me learning the basics) |
| 09:43.40 | assink | hehe |
| 09:43.47 | assink | nah, it was too hard for me too in the beginning |
| 09:44.07 | susp3ct | assink, ohhh but now... debian is so easy ;) I love it |
| 09:44.13 | assink | i love apt |
| 09:44.49 | bassMonkey | me too |
| 09:44.52 | assink | ah kernel almost readdy |
| 09:44.53 | assink | :) |
| 09:44.56 | susp3ct | assink, totally apt is the bomb, can never leave home without it :D |
| 09:44.56 | susp3ct | assink, totally apt is the bomb, can never leave home without it :D |
| 09:45.13 | assink | hehe |
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| 09:46.53 | bassMonkey | what would you recommend for a mp3 streaming solution with a nice web-interface?? ampache? jinzora? other? |
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| 09:48.29 | widrone | assink: Important data? How did that happen, hardware or ext3 fs or what? Ubuntu /dev/zero it for you? |
| 09:49.30 | bboett | susp3ct: did this... i alsos installed spip that makes a vhosts file, enabled again all the sites and vhost module, but still it doesn't work.... |
| 09:49.39 | assink | music |
| 09:49.50 | orb_uk | Hi sorry for my lack of knowledge, new encounter, what exactly is Debian Project?? Does ti relate to a game or anything? |
| 09:50.17 | sep | orb_uk, http://www.debian.org/intro/about |
| 09:50.21 | orb_uk | ty |
| 09:50.26 | fireba11 | is apache2 default without https ? |
| 09:50.30 | asuffield | it's part of a secret project to take over the world |
| 09:50.35 | asuffield | by cows |
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| 09:52.14 | sep | fireba11, an example for a ssl site is included in the doc's for apache2 |
| 09:52.16 | susp3ct | bboett, how are you resolving the names? |
| 09:52.26 | susp3ct | bboett, for your vhosts that is |
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| 09:52.55 | huersch | hi |
| 09:53.01 | sep | fireba11, http://mario.espaciolinux.com/apache2_ssl.html about the shortest howto for it |
| 09:53.01 | huersch | english only? Oo |
| 09:53.06 | bibe | hi. I tried to install sid with a daily built netinst image, the downloaded ISO passed the md5 check, the installer went smoothly until "Install the base system", when I got a red screen with an error like "No debian-installer disk found, can't continue". Do you suggest me to download the latest daily built image, or to install a sarge base system and then dist-upgrade to sid? |
| 09:53.06 | bibe | hi. I tried to install sid with a daily built netinst image, the downloaded ISO passed the md5 check, the installer went smoothly until "Install the base system", when I got a red screen with an error like "No debian-installer disk found, can't continue". Do you suggest me to download the latest daily built image, or to install a sarge base system and then dist-upgrade to sid? |
| 09:53.09 | flexy | I have a nfs root machine and some problems with /tmp of it... propably pretty trivial, but can't get it right. error when running dselect: "Reading package fields... 99%rm: cannot remove directory `/tmp/dpkg4kM19h': Directory not empty" Tons of those... and /tmp keeps filling... `ls -alh / |grep tmp` shows "drwxrwxrwt 1025 root root 24K Oct 20 12:50 tmp" |
| 09:53.16 | fireba11 | sep oh, sorry, didn't notice that |
| 09:53.17 | huersch | oder darf man seine fragen auch auf deutsch stellen? |
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| 09:53.40 | sep | huersch, there are debian-xx channels for many languages |
| 09:53.49 | sep | !de |
| 09:53.49 | sep | !de |
| 09:53.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 09:53.54 | huersch | thx :) |
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| 09:56.36 | messiah | can anyone tell me how i can unrar something? |
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| 09:56.48 | Phated | apt-get install unrar. :) |
| 09:56.49 | Noid | messiah: apt-get install unrar |
| 09:56.49 | Noid | messiah: apt-get install unrar |
| 09:56.49 | petemc | messiah: unrar x file.rar |
| 09:56.54 | SimonRaven | with unamazingly enough, unrar |
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| 09:57.03 | messiah | but isn't there a free version? |
| 09:57.09 | messiah | all i get is unrar-unfree |
| 09:57.13 | messiah | from backports |
| 09:57.14 | Phated | So use it. |
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| 09:57.27 | messiah | isn't it limited? |
| 09:57.29 | sep | messiah, /msg dpkg unrar-free |
| 09:57.31 | Phated | unrar-free - Unarchiver for .rar files |
| 09:57.38 | susp3ct | flexy, my understanding is that you cannot remove files from the /tmp dir, it does it when you reboot |
| 09:57.40 | Noid | messiah: yes, there is one free version, but it will quite probably not work on a lot of rar files |
| 09:57.48 | Phated | messiah: master apt-cache search. |
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| 09:57.59 | messiah | Noid: ok thanks |
| 09:58.03 | Shadur | Noid: Most of them, yes. Some of them, not quite yet. |
| 09:58.05 | SimonRaven | susp3ct: what? you can, but only if they belong to your user |
| 09:58.12 | moshe2 | Hola. when i run xterm from xde it starts in a very small fonts how can i change it?.. |
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| 09:58.16 | Vixenos | Hi :) |
| 09:58.23 | susp3ct | SimonRaven, kewl you learn something new everyday ;) |
| 09:59.16 | Noid | Shadur: well, at least not the newer or encrypted ones (last time I checked), but I am making the assumption that's what he wants |
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| 09:59.44 | susp3ct | SimonRaven, Ive never had to remove anything from /tmp, but a mate told me he reboots to remove all contents from /tmp |
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| 10:00.03 | sixty4 | hi, is there a debian package for the 2.6 kernel? |
| 10:00.14 | Noid | susp3ct: that reboot is uncalled for |
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| 10:00.38 | liable | sixty4: yes, read man apt-cache :) |
| 10:00.38 | liable | sixty4: yes, read man apt-cache :) |
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| 10:01.11 | sixty4 | thanks, liable |
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| 10:01.27 | davi___ | jm_, Is there a default system locale and a default system encoding ? |
| 10:01.27 | davi___ | jm_, Is there a default system locale and a default system encoding ? |
| 10:01.31 | susp3ct | Noid, why so?its his theory? He does it for other reasons as well... |
| 10:01.42 | jm_ | davi___: it defaults to POSIX (C) if none is specified |
| 10:02.37 | Noid | susp3ct: there is no need to reboot a debian box except when switching kernels or changing hardware... pretty much everything else can be done without rebooting, somebody correct me if I'm wrong |
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| 10:02.49 | davi___ | jm_, What character encoding uses the POSIX (C) locale ? |
| 10:02.58 | jm_ | davi___: LANG=C locale charmap |
| 10:03.10 | messiah | ah great the extracting worked |
| 10:03.10 | messiah | ah great the extracting worked |
| 10:03.18 | messiah | i wonder why it wouldn't work in mc |
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| 10:03.36 | Vixenos | I have just download and burn the i64 debian cd. but it doesn't want to boot. a specifi manipulation to run it ? |
| 10:03.39 | davi___ | jm_, What character encoding uses the POSIX (C) locale ? |
| 10:03.39 | davi___ | jm_, What character encoding uses the POSIX (C) locale ? |
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| 10:03.52 | jm_ | davi___: see above |
| 10:04.03 | flexy | susp3ct: well, my other machines do remove the files from /tmp, but then again, they are not diskless machines... |
| 10:04.03 | flexy | susp3ct: well, my other machines do remove the files from /tmp, but then again, they are not diskless machines... |
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| 10:04.49 | bboett | susp3ct: hmmm i have at gandi 4 domains, and i put the servernames according to the entries in the DNS, all domains resolve to the same ip |
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| 10:05.24 | KnD | Guys, I need help on apt #333964: E: Method gpgv has died unexpectedly! |
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| 10:06.04 | Tortel | !tell me about aptitude |
| 10:06.07 | KnD | I was unable to resolve this, and it gives me (security) shiver. thx |
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| 10:06.35 | SimonRaven | susp3ct: info chmod, look for +t |
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| 10:08.36 | Ephedrax | Hello :] |
| 10:08.52 | tony_ | Hello |
| 10:09.00 | Ephedrax | I've got a question about Debian on i64 :] |
| 10:09.17 | Ephedrax | i"ve just download the iso, burn, and try to boot it, but it doesn't work :/ |
| 10:09.35 | Ephedrax | I juste want to know if there is a specific manipulation to run it |
| 10:09.35 | Ephedrax | :] |
| 10:09.35 | Ephedrax | :] |
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| 10:12.34 | azeem | Ephedrax: what kind of machine do you have exactly? |
| 10:12.44 | azeem | Ephedrax: and what .iso did you download exactly? |
| 10:13.01 | Ephedrax | azeem, PIV 630 3.0ghz FSB800 socket 775 2MO L2 |
| 10:13.26 | azeem | is that a PIV with em64 or whatever it's called by Intel? |
| 10:13.38 | Ephedrax | yes |
| 10:13.43 | Ephedrax | EM64T |
| 10:13.43 | Ephedrax | EM64T |
| 10:13.46 | azeem | so what did you download? |
| 10:13.51 | jm_ | that's not ia64 |
| 10:13.59 | Ephedrax | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:14.02 | jm_ | haha |
| 10:14.02 | jm_ | haha |
| 10:14.03 | Ephedrax | its a 64bits processor |
| 10:14.05 | azeem | Ephedrax: that's the wrong one |
| 10:14.07 | azeem | jm_: eh? |
| 10:14.08 | Ephedrax | hum |
| 10:14.08 | Ephedrax | hum |
| 10:14.11 | azeem | Ephedrax: you need amd64 |
| 10:14.20 | Ephedrax | for a intel 64bits ? (o_O) |
| 10:14.23 | azeem | yes |
| 10:14.33 | azeem | Intel uses AMD tech for that |
| 10:14.33 | azeem | Intel uses AMD tech for that |
| 10:14.37 | jm_ | amd64 or generic x86 - based on how you selected a wrong one I'd say gor with x86 |
| 10:14.38 | Ephedrax | ow |
| 10:15.16 | Ephedrax | azeem, so, the ia64 is for ??? |
| 10:15.17 | Ephedrax | azeem, so, the ia64 is for ??? |
| 10:15.29 | azeem | Ephedrax: it's for Intel's Itanium servers |
| 10:15.43 | Ephedrax | azeem, ok :] |
| 10:15.59 | Ephedrax | so |
| 10:16.07 | azeem | no problem, this is a common source of confusion |
| 10:16.22 | Ephedrax | azeem, ok :) |
| 10:16.39 | Ephedrax | so which iso to download ? |
| 10:16.43 | Ephedrax | i use the netinstall |
| 10:16.49 | Ephedrax | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:17.00 | azeem | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/sarge-amd64/ |
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| 10:17.10 | Ephedrax | azeem, thx a lot :) |
| 10:17.17 | azeem | cheers |
| 10:17.17 | azeem | cheers |
| 10:17.20 | Ephedrax | ;) |
| 10:17.35 | azeem | note the "unofficial", it should work fine in practise, though |
| 10:17.39 | Ephedrax | ok |
| 10:17.45 | Ephedrax | I use debian in unstable |
| 10:17.45 | Ephedrax | I use debian in unstable |
| 10:18.06 | Ephedrax | intel use AMD technologie |
| 10:18.12 | Ephedrax | lol |
| 10:18.12 | Ephedrax | lol |
| 10:18.21 | Ephedrax | I can't understand that |
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| 10:18.30 | Ephedrax | AMD is better on 64 architecture ? |
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| 10:19.08 | gonzaloaf | Hello Friends |
| 10:19.13 | Tortel | Hallo |
| 10:19.32 | KnD | Hi, any apt gurus present? (#333964, E: Method gpgv has died unexpectedly!) |
| 10:19.39 | gonzaloaf | I'm compiling a new kernel, the 2.6.11 |
| 10:19.39 | gonzaloaf | I'm compiling a new kernel, the 2.6.11 |
| 10:19.59 | gonzaloaf | but i have a problem, can somebody help me? |
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| 10:20.15 | jelly | gonzaloaf: shoot |
| 10:20.27 | moshe2 | Hola. when i run xterm from xde it starts in a very small fonts how can i change it?.. |
| 10:20.30 | azeem | Ephedrax: amd64/em64t are a natural extension of i386 and they run i386 code at native speed |
| 10:20.30 | azeem | Ephedrax: amd64/em64t are a natural extension of i386 and they run i386 code at native speed |
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| 10:20.37 | jm_ | moshii: man xterm |
| 10:20.42 | jm_ | moshe2 ^^^^^ |
| 10:20.47 | gonzaloaf | jelly: ok I'll tell you what I have done |
| 10:20.55 | azeem | Ephedrax: ia64 is a totally new 64-bit design taking bits from alpha and hp-pa (AFAIK), and it just emulates ia32 |
| 10:20.55 | azeem | Ephedrax: ia64 is a totally new 64-bit design taking bits from alpha and hp-pa (AFAIK), and it just emulates ia32 |
| 10:21.03 | Ephedrax | azeem, ok, thx for this explanation :) |
| 10:21.08 | Ephedrax | azeem, i see that, for the ia64 |
| 10:21.11 | Ephedrax | but |
| 10:21.18 | moshe2 | jm_: but i want it to be run automaticlly everytime not just once |
| 10:21.19 | azeem | Ephedrax: ia64 is superior for servers and number crunching, but much more expensive and heat-producing as well |
| 10:21.33 | Ephedrax | between a piv 3.0 prescott and a piv 3.0 64bits, there is a real difference of performances ? |
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| 10:21.36 | jm_ | moshe2: yes, man page tells you which resources it supports |
| 10:21.43 | Ephedrax | (excuse my english, i'm french) |
| 10:21.54 | gonzaloaf | jelly: first I download the kernel-source-2.6.11 package and unzip it at /usr/src |
| 10:21.56 | Laibsch | !alsa |
| 10:21.56 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 10:22.00 | azeem | Ephedrax: I don't know, I don't think there is if you run them both in 32bit mode |
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| 10:22.28 | moshe2 | jm_: arrg.. I can't pageup in man! |
| 10:22.29 | Ephedrax | in 32bits, under "windows" freeze when play games :/ |
| 10:22.49 | junkey | how to change the time on my computer |
| 10:22.59 | moshe2 | junkey: date |
| 10:22.59 | moshe2 | junkey: date |
| 10:22.59 | gonzaloaf | jelly: afterwards I did: ln -s kernel-source-2.6.11 linux |
| 10:22.59 | jm_ | moshe2: try the vi keys |
| 10:23.09 | gonzaloaf | jelly: are you there? |
| 10:23.09 | jm_ | !tell junkey -about set time |
| 10:23.09 | jm_ | !tell junkey -about set time |
| 10:23.26 | jelly | gonzaloaf: I'm around... |
| 10:23.30 | moshe2 | jm_: and they are..,. |
| 10:23.35 | Readon | it is reported that probable hardware bug:clock timer configuration lost - probably a VIA686a |
| 10:23.39 | gonzaloaf | jelly: ok are you following me? |
| 10:23.50 | Readon | what's the matter? |
| 10:23.55 | jm_ | moshe2: ever run vimtutor? |
| 10:23.55 | junkey | thanks,my mouse can mouse now |
| 10:23.55 | junkey | thanks,my mouse can mouse now |
| 10:24.15 | jelly | gonzaloaf: yup, so far, you haven't explained much. ;-) |
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| 10:24.28 | moshe2 | jm_: i ran once vi.. but i couldnt do there nothing.. the keys didnt woprk |
| 10:24.57 | gonzaloaf | jelly: ok after that I did: make-kpkg --append-to-version=.20102005 --revision=.01 --initrd --config=gconfig configure |
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| 10:25.15 | KnD | Guys, is here anybody familiar with unstable apt? |
| 10:25.25 | rohal | i have a .deb package ....now how to install it using apt or manuallly??? |
| 10:25.34 | gonzaloaf | jelly: afterwards : make-kpkg --append-to-version=.20102005 --revision=.01 --initrd --config=gconfig kernel_image |
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| 10:25.41 | pureone | dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 10:25.43 | bibe | rohal : dpkg -i <package>.deb |
| 10:25.47 | jelly | gonzaloaf: ooh, what's gconfig, some gui thingy? :-) |
| 10:25.47 | jelly | gonzaloaf: ooh, what's gconfig, some gui thingy? :-) |
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| 10:25.53 | jm_ | moshe2: haha, read some VI tutorial once (ctrl-b ctrl-f ctrl-d ctrl-u) or just press ? to learn more about your pager |
| 10:26.11 | gonzaloaf | jelly and I had this error: make-kpkg --append-to-version=.20102005 --revision=.01 --initrd --config=gconfig configure |
| 10:26.15 | gonzaloaf | jelly: yes |
| 10:26.35 | gonzaloaf | jelly: The changelog says we are creating 2.6.823092005, but I thought the version is 2.6.8.20102005 |
| 10:26.36 | Readon | it is reported that probable hardware bug:clock timer configuration lost - probably a VIA686a. how to deal with it? |
| 10:26.46 | moshe2 | jm_: okie.. thanks |
| 10:27.24 | gonzaloaf | jelly: whats wrong here? what I did wrong? |
| 10:27.41 | rohal | bibe: & how can i install a rpm? |
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| 10:28.13 | bibe | rohal : man alien |
| 10:28.14 | jelly | gonzaloaf: humm... this is a fresh unpack, you didn't run make-kpkg before? |
| 10:28.14 | jelly | gonzaloaf: humm... this is a fresh unpack, you didn't run make-kpkg before? |
| 10:28.24 | jelly | gonzaloaf: I'm puzzled. |
| 10:28.24 | jelly | gonzaloaf: I'm puzzled. |
| 10:28.26 | bibe | dpkg, alien |
| 10:28.26 | dpkg | from memory, alien is a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to debian, debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc... it can handle stampede .slp packages as well, or some slimy, green, bug-like, creepy creature from outerspace that came to Earth to have sex with agent Scully, or at http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/ |
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| 10:28.37 | gonzaloaf | jelly: excuse me? |
| 10:28.55 | jelly | gonzaloaf: can you paste the exact error somewhere? /msg dpkg paste |
| 10:29.09 | moshe2 | the hjkl (vi) keys doesn't work in man........... |
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| 10:29.29 | Shadur | moshe2: the space bar and arrow keys do. |
| 10:29.41 | gonzaloaf | jelly: I did |
| 10:29.47 | Shadur | Well, assuming you use less as a pager. |
| 10:29.48 | gonzaloaf | jelly: can you see it? |
| 10:29.52 | moshe2 | Shadur: Nope! the arrows kets don't! |
| 10:29.52 | moshe2 | Shadur: Nope! the arrows kets don't! |
| 10:29.52 | tony_ | I have an update question. |
| 10:30.00 | tralala | moshe2: j,k do in less! |
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| 10:30.12 | Shadur | moshe2: You need to do more with less. |
| 10:30.18 | gonzaloaf | jelly: I suppose that I hace to paste it in flood |
| 10:30.21 | moshe2 | Shadur: huh? |
| 10:30.30 | jelly | gonzaloaf: sorry, where did you put it, on the web, or in #flood? |
| 10:30.34 | tralala | you're probably using different pager (more?) |
| 10:30.34 | tralala | you're probably using different pager (more?) |
| 10:30.35 | tralala | !prize Shadur |
| 10:30.45 | jm_ | yeah, that's why I told him about vi "ctrl-scrolling" keys |
| 10:30.50 | gonzaloaf | how do I paste it in #flood? |
| 10:31.04 | jelly | gonzaloaf: just join the channel and paste away |
| 10:31.07 | Tortel | join #flood |
| 10:31.11 | Shadur | moshe2: Very bad unix joke. install the less package and update your alternatives to use less as a pager. |
| 10:31.12 | Tortel | and paste |
| 10:31.12 | tralala | moshe2: update your default pager to less |
| 10:31.21 | jelly | gonzaloaf: im there now. |
| 10:31.38 | moshe2 | how do i update my default pager to less? |
| 10:31.52 | tralala | gonzaloaf: you join #flood, you paste, you're done |
| 10:32.04 | tralala | moshe2: aptitude install less |
| 10:32.13 | gonzaloaf | jelly: I did go to flood |
| 10:32.29 | jelly | gonzaloaf: ho-hum. I'd try "make-kpkg clean" first, then try again. |
| 10:32.42 | moshe2 | tralala: I did that. But how do i change the pager |
| 10:32.42 | moshe2 | tralala: I did that. But how do i change the pager |
| 10:32.43 | gonzaloaf | ok |
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| 10:33.16 | moshe2 | oh. it worked. |
| 10:33.18 | moshe2 | hehe. |
| 10:33.18 | moshe2 | hehe. |
| 10:33.18 | Laibsch | here is a good reference for getting alsa to work? I can play sound but not record. The docs from alsa-project.org are from 1999(!) and talk about kernel 2.0! AFAICT, I have no OSS modules loaded except OSS compatibility layer from alsa. The reference given by !alsa mostly talks about OSS. |
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| 10:35.17 | Roxport | when installing sarge, there's a skull/crossbones icon next to swap partition during partition disk manually step... |
| 10:36.03 | moshe2 | say, how do you switch between tabs in firefox?.. since ctrl-tab is catched by kde... |
| 10:36.33 | Fleck | moshe2 CTRL + 1;2;3... |
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| 10:37.09 | jm_ | alt-1 alt-2 or ctrl-pagedown/up - it's in the help |
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| 10:37.51 | moshe2 | thanks :)))) |
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| 10:38.41 | bibe | Roxport : it means that the swap partition will be formatted |
| 10:39.02 | bibe | the skull should also be there for the / partition |
| 10:39.19 | jm_ | nice symbol ;) |
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| 10:39.28 | Roxport | so, previously when the system froze during installation, it was at that step. probably didn't get done with that step? |
| 10:40.08 | bibe | Roxport : the swap partition gets formatted at every reboot |
| 10:40.23 | jm_ | no it doesn't |
| 10:40.41 | Roxport | ok |
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| 10:42.44 | Shadur | bibe: No, it doesn't. |
| 10:43.16 | Roxport | ok, i think the skull symbol means it hasn't finished something, cause I removed all partitions, set swap and / partitions and they both have skull symbol. going to finish and write changes now. we'll see what happens. |
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| 10:43.38 | Roxport | that's for hda |
| 10:43.47 | gonzaloaf | jelly: wow now is working |
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| 10:43.56 | Shadur | Hmm. I wonder if swap space might be a security risk. On the one hand, there's almost no predicting where cache data from a given program will be written to; on the other hand... |
| 10:44.00 | Roxport | i also have another physical drive in the pc (stand alone linux box) |
| 10:44.19 | Roxport | hdb - should I just set a / partition on that, to use as extra storage space? |
| 10:44.40 | Roxport | so i don't really need a swap partition? |
| 10:44.54 | gonzaloaf | I have a question for everyone here: If you install linux on a server, what size would you give to the /boot partition? |
| 10:45.02 | free_attitude | hello |
| 10:45.02 | free_attitude | hello |
| 10:45.03 | Roxport | i only have 128 MB RAM |
| 10:45.05 | jelly | gonzaloaf: looks like you didn't have a clean unpack, but there was some stuff left over from before. |
| 10:45.11 | Noid | Roxport: erhm, no you only have one / partition, you can however use that space under, for example, /space |
| 10:45.11 | Noid | Roxport: erhm, no you only have one / partition, you can however use that space under, for example, /space |
| 10:45.19 | SimonRaven | Shadur: enough privs and you can dump out the contents, and look for certain data... |
| 10:45.20 | gonzaloaf | jelly: thanks |
| 10:45.21 | Roxport | ok |
| 10:45.26 | moshe2 | Doesn't anybody knows why aptitude start using +------+ as menus instread of a strit line? |
| 10:45.26 | moshe2 | Doesn't anybody knows why aptitude start using +------+ as menus instread of a strit line? |
| 10:45.30 | Roxport | primary or logical? |
| 10:45.37 | free_attitude | anyone know when will GNOME 2.12 be included in unstable? Thanks |
| 10:45.39 | Shadur | SimonRaven: Yeah, that's what I'm wondering about. |
| 10:45.45 | Noid | Roxport: and yes, use swap... i would set up at leasst 256 mb swap, but that's me |
| 10:45.45 | Noid | Roxport: and yes, use swap... i would set up at leasst 256 mb swap, but that's me |
| 10:46.04 | Roxport | yes, that's what's recommended. swap on hda is 256 mb |
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| 10:46.53 | Noid | Roxport: and if you're only going to make one partition on hdb, logical partitions don't make much sense, do they? |
| 10:47.02 | rohal | i am not getting rw permissions for another linux partition for a normal user....its working for root?? |
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| 10:47.09 | Roxport | that's what I thought, but one never knows.... |
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| 10:48.13 | Roxport | installer sets mount point to /home and label to /home. i can change label to whatever i want, but what about mount point? leave it set to /home? |
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| 10:48.23 | Noid | Roxport: well, afair the purpose of logical partitions was to address (patch, really) the problem that you can only have 4 primary partitions |
| 10:48.40 | Roxport | oh i see |
| 10:48.46 | nicenk | hi to room |
| 10:49.11 | Roxport | Noid: i don't need logical at this point, ur right. |
| 10:49.19 | Noid | Roxport: I think you should read some documentation about partitioning, filesystems and directory structures... |
| 10:49.26 | SimonRaven | !room |
| 10:49.26 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 10:49.36 | Roxport | yeah, i have some. |
| 10:50.21 | nicenk | a question about php. Setting up a php web app got an error 'Failed opening required '' (include_path='.:/usr/share/php:/usr/share/pear') in file xxxxx' |
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| 10:52.02 | Shadur | nicenk: the script required another script that wasn't where it was supposed to be. Check file xxxxx at the given line number. |
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| 10:52.58 | systems | wussup |
| 10:53.09 | SimonRaven | the sky, as usual |
| 10:53.15 | decoy__ | hi |
| 10:54.16 | iTron | Shadur: You can make the swap partition more secure by encrypting it. It isn't too difficult. ;) |
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| 10:54.41 | SimonRaven | @tell N0S3 -about root |
| 10:55.09 | Shadur | I'll probably do that on the multi-user machine. |
| 10:55.30 | nicenk | Shadur thanks. Up to the point. For some reason my loop was going to require a null file. |
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| 10:56.21 | iTron | Shadur: Will add a bit of cpu usage to the system though, depending on how much swap is used. In some circumstances it might slow the system down a tad too. |
| 10:56.30 | decoy__ | i just trying to install debian/sarge instead of my knoppix... but i have a little problem with the debian-installer... when it install the base sytem i have an error just after the choice of the kernel that say it can't install initrd-tools |
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| 10:56.49 | SimonRaven | switch mirrors |
| 10:56.53 | Shadur | iTron: This is a dell production server that's best described as 'hideously overpowered'. It'll deal. |
| 10:56.54 | SimonRaven | decoy__: ^^ |
| 10:56.54 | SimonRaven | decoy__: ^^ |
| 10:57.01 | iTron | Shadur: Cool. :) |
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| 10:57.49 | darkera | hey any wireless experts online ? I have a question about Void11 & prism54 |
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| 10:58.35 | decoy__ | SimonRaven, how i do that, do i have to boot in expert mode ? |
| 10:58.40 | boguh | hi, how can i copy movie dvds? |
| 10:58.53 | SimonRaven | can't see what you're typing |
| 10:59.10 | KnD | any apt developers online? (apt/0.6.41 #333964) |
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| 10:59.50 | iTron | Shadur: Of course, if you wanted to be REALLY clever, you would encrypt the swap partition with a new, randomly generated key, on every reboot, which would stop $law_enforcement asking you for your "decryption keys" - something which might be important for, say, systems in the UK, which has the RIP Act. |
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| 11:00.50 | Noid | iTron: what's that RIP Act about? |
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| 11:02.02 | Shadur | iTron: With the way my country's DoJ tried to one-sidedly demand we keep record of all traffic for a couple of years and have it available on demand, I'm actually feeling pissed off enough to pull something like that. :) |
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| 11:02.34 | Guerin | boguh: doom9.org |
| 11:02.45 | iTron | Noid: Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act of *mumbleyear* - $law_enforcement can DEMAND from anyone they're investigating, any and all of their "encryption keys" to enable them to decode any encrypted data on any system you have used. The alternative to not giving them your keys is an automatic 2 years in jail. Nasty. |
| 11:02.51 | iTron | Shadur: Heheh |
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| 11:03.18 | Shadur | ... Hmm. Grab a few kilobytes out of /dev/urandom into a file, md5sum the file, use that file as the key, then overwrite the file with another dollop of urandom before deleting/ |
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| 11:03.43 | Shadur | Er, use the md5sum as the key |
| 11:03.55 | iTron | Noid: If you tell ANYONE that $law_enforcement hhave your "encryption keys", you also go to jail. Basically, you're not allowed to tell anyone they have them. |
| 11:04.07 | jm_ | not sure if accessing random bits straight after boot is a good idea |
| 11:04.09 | Noid | iTron: bufff glad i'm not there then... hmmm you could give them encrypted keys and say it's a recursive encryption d-: |
| 11:04.11 | SimonRaven | decoy__: no. go to main menu, and 'select mirror' |
| 11:04.11 | SimonRaven | decoy__: no. go to main menu, and 'select mirror' |
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| 11:04.41 | Noid | iTron: that second part is really disquieting |
| 11:05.07 | iTron | Noid: UK is moving towards an Orwellian police state slowly but surely. |
| 11:05.10 | Noid | iTron: bottomline is, they can supplant you. hah. |
| 11:05.15 | iTron | Noid: Indeed. |
| 11:05.16 | decoy__ | SimonRaven, ok i'll try that... thanks |
| 11:05.42 | jelly | iTron: that sounds superfluous, one must presume they already have the encr.keys, so I really doesn't matter what you tell to anyone? |
| 11:05.42 | jelly | iTron: that sounds superfluous, one must presume they already have the encr.keys, so I really doesn't matter what you tell to anyone? |
| 11:05.53 | jelly | s/I/it/ |
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| 11:07.00 | iTron | jelly: I think the idea being that, if you're part of some criminal ring, or suspect group, that $law_enforcement doesn't want your compatriots to know you've been compromised. |
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| 11:07.31 | Shadur | iTron: Obviously. And "if you're innocent, you have nothing to worry about" |
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| 11:08.10 | Noid | Shadur: but of course! |
| 11:08.27 | iTron | Shadur: Precisely. Notwithstanding that the current laws can - and will - be used by subsequent governments to subjugate the citizens in the future. |
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| 11:09.42 | txetemar | spanish channeñ |
| 11:09.51 | jm_ | !tell txetemar -about es |
| 11:10.06 | Noid | txetemar: #debian-es |
| 11:10.09 | txetemar | spaniwhat is the spanish channel |
| 11:10.09 | txetemar | spaniwhat is the spanish channel |
| 11:10.17 | txetemar | thanks |
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| 11:11.42 | txetemar | hello where is the list of metereolollical gkrell monitor |
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| 11:11.51 | jm_ | what? |
| 11:11.51 | jm_ | what? |
| 11:11.57 | Guerin | weather applets |
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| 11:12.00 | Guerin | i think |
| 11:12.20 | jm_ | you can specify that in gkrellm's user_config file |
| 11:12.33 | jm_ | ahh you can also specify it in the GUI |
| 11:12.47 | txetemar | yes but where is the list of citys |
| 11:12.47 | txetemar | yes but where is the list of citys |
| 11:12.58 | jm_ | you can find it on metar sites |
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| 11:16.16 | Ephedrax | <--- search sources.list for amd64 :] |
| 11:16.37 | jm_ | Ephedrax: ever heard about google.com? |
| 11:16.46 | Ephedrax | I'm on :) |
| 11:16.54 | jm_ | there's also #debian-amd64 |
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| 11:17.05 | Ephedrax | jim, i don't know this :) |
| 11:17.06 | Ephedrax | thx |
| 11:17.12 | jm_ | the nick is jm_, not jim |
| 11:17.18 | grabarz | Good morning is hear somebody who use net24? |
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| 11:17.29 | Ephedrax | jm_, )p |
| 11:17.31 | Ephedrax | =p |
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| 11:18.56 | nomichan | hey |
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| 11:19.30 | nomichan | is there some option or flag for dpkg to do silent install without questions? like there is --assume-yes for apt-get |
| 11:19.53 | jm_ | what questions? |
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| 11:20.41 | Guerin | nomichan: dpkg should never ask for input |
| 11:20.53 | jm_ | it can ask if you want to overwrite config files for example |
| 11:21.02 | nomichan | some question sometimes appear when i install something with dpkg -i, like when i install a kernel it asks if it should write it in lilo ... i'd like it to just assume the standard |
| 11:21.12 | Guerin | oh, that's not apt |
| 11:21.12 | Guerin | oh, that's not apt |
| 11:21.15 | jm_ | that sounds like debconf |
| 11:21.27 | Guerin | jm_: yeha |
| 11:21.52 | nomichan | jm_: i wouldn't care if it overwrites something, I just want it to shut up because it's bootstrapping on a headless machine ;) |
| 11:22.11 | jm_ | nomichan: id you read about pre-seeding? |
| 11:22.11 | jm_ | nomichan: id you read about pre-seeding? |
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| 11:22.33 | nomichan | no, what's this? |
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| 11:22.53 | jm_ | read about it on debian installer page (I think it's in the wiki pages) |
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| 11:22.53 | jm_ | read about it on debian installer page (I think it's in the wiki pages) |
| 11:23.07 | usn_work | hi folx |
| 11:23.13 | jm_ | Guerin: I have slightly enhanced ipacct-rpt.pl now, have you ever gotten it to work? |
| 11:23.29 | nomichan | jm_: thank you, i'll have a look :) |
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| 11:25.53 | Alver | Hello... can anyone tell me what package libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 would be in, or perhaps the file I should link to? |
| 11:27.46 | jm_ | !tell alver -about search |
| 11:27.51 | asg | Alver: /msg dpkg redhat crap |
| 11:27.53 | jm_ | yes, many people can tell you |
| 11:28.17 | Alver | ah, apt-file |
| 11:28.20 | Alver | now that's handy. |
| 11:28.25 | jm_ | indeed |
| 11:28.45 | jm_ | and this is not related to RedHat in any way |
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| 11:29.11 | Alver | Where does RedHat come into this? :) |
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| 11:29.50 | jm_ | I don't know, I guess someone didn't understand what the thing is about and thought it's RH issue (possibly because people were running RH binaries on Debian system?) |
| 11:30.08 | jm_ | I mentioned it because of this: <asg> Alver: /msg dpkg redhat crap |
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| 11:30.12 | asg | jm_: If you're missing |
| 11:30.13 | asg | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:30.15 | asg | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:30.22 | Alver | hehe... well, perhaps Sun does build its stuff against Redhat |
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| 11:30.23 | jm_ | asg: heh I know where it is |
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| 11:30.29 | asg | jm_: :) |
| 11:30.32 | jm_ | Alver: java? |
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| 11:30.43 | Alver | jm_: indeed, j2ee |
| 11:30.54 | jm_ | Alver: get the one compiled with gcc3.2 if you're running Sarge |
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| 11:31.03 | Alver | I'm not |
| 11:31.09 | jm_ | ok |
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| 11:31.36 | kairo | In the last night I did lost 98% of my /var, but I look and fsck.ext3 create in my /var/lost+found the files lost. How I recover #nnnnnn files (ex: #342345) ? |
| 11:31.43 | jm_ | ahh I think they now include several versions in the package, so it doesn't matter what you get - forgot about it |
| 11:31.50 | SammyTheSnake | Question for you all - is there some clever gizmo that does a similar job to "screen" but with x applications? so I can run an X program, then logout leaving it running, then re-connect on a different display later on and stuff? |
| 11:31.50 | SammyTheSnake | Question for you all - is there some clever gizmo that does a similar job to "screen" but with x applications? so I can run an X program, then logout leaving it running, then re-connect on a different display later on and stuff? |
| 11:32.09 | jm_ | I guess there were too many users being hit by that |
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| 11:32.26 | jm_ | SammyTheSnake: yes, but it's not too practicable |
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| 11:33.24 | jm_ | it's more like dtach than screen though |
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| 11:34.32 | SammyTheSnake | jm_: what's the program called? |
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| 11:35.10 | jm_ | SammyTheSnake: http://xfree86.desiato.de/xfree86/pipermail/xpert/2000-July/000163.html http://www.edu.uni-klu.ac.at/~mkropfbe/xray.html -- and I think NX also supports this |
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| 11:35.44 | jm_ | yay the first URL doesn't work, this is the third URL that has failed, you can find it in xfree86 mailing list archives |
| 11:35.45 | hackeron_ | whats the easiest way to replicate just the partition table from 1 drive to another drive? |
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| 11:37.08 | SammyTheSnake | jm_: yeah, I'm just working on navigating the site now |
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| 11:37.40 | sabin | any words on Gnome 2.12 in sid? |
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| 11:38.42 | SammyTheSnake | jm_: what's the name of the thread I'm looking for, here? |
| 11:38.52 | jm_ | SammyTheSnake: Detach something I think |
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| 11:41.16 | nksen | hello. my wlan card is setup properly, that is I can assign it an IP and ping other clients if the access point is open |
| 11:41.32 | hackeron_ | or rather, when partitioning the hard drives for a raid, anyway to partition multiple drives at the same time? |
| 11:41.38 | nksen | but how do I send an WPA key to the access point if it's configured to use such a one? |
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| 11:41.49 | SammyTheSnake | jm_: I don't think the archives are going back that far :( |
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| 11:42.38 | jm_ | SammyTheSnake: ok, it was about using xmove |
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| 11:43.46 | SammyTheSnake | jm_: thanks, I'll look up xmove :) |
| 11:44.06 | jm_ | SammyTheSnake: http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~zandy/guievict/ |
| 11:47.35 | CAiRO | when using udev, how can i give my usb hard disk a different name than /dev/sdf1? |
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| 11:48.06 | jm_ | CAiRO: read abotu udev rules |
| 11:48.28 | Roxport | bootstrap error: couldn't download aptitude // while installing sarge |
| 11:48.34 | Roxport | failed to insall the base system |
| 11:48.39 | CAiRO | jm_: where? is there any good howto? |
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| 11:49.03 | Roxport | kernel bug at exit.c:462! |
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| 11:50.04 | Roxport | is "base system" on disc 2? I have disc 1 in the CD |
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| 11:51.32 | jm_ | CAiRO: go to the udev web page |
| 11:51.49 | CAiRO | jm_: thanks, i've already found something in /usr/share/doc |
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| 11:52.58 | SimonRaven | CAiRO++ for RTFMing independently |
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| 11:54.07 | chemaja_ | SimonRaven: whoa, you negative-flamed -- what is that, "icing"? ;) |
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| 11:54.25 | SimonRaven | heh |
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| 11:54.39 | SimonRaven | icing on the cake? ;p |
| 11:54.44 | pro | dpkg, tell me about efs2progs |
| 11:54.53 | SimonRaven | e2fsprogs |
| 11:55.09 | pro | *gRIn* |
| 11:55.21 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 11:55.52 | SimonRaven | chemaja_: eh, i figure encourage constructive behaviours :) |
| 11:55.56 | Roxport | dpkg, tell me why there's a lack of *installation* help/documentation on this planet |
| 11:56.05 | chemaja_ | SimonRaven: yea -- good work |
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| 11:56.39 | SimonRaven | the world is fucked, making it a little less fucked is a plus IMO |
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| 11:57.08 | pro | geeeebuz, apt you better not break my system.... its in the server room of my ISP..... |
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| 11:58.11 | Zeit|awy | no serial console? ^^ |
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| 12:08.57 | jason | I am trying to connect my wireless card to the net... what does "joining the BSS" mean? |
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| 12:09.30 | pro | jason, same thing as connecting to the BSS |
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| 12:09.36 | pro | *gRIn* |
| 12:09.38 | jason | what is the bss |
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| 12:09.54 | pro | sorry, i dont know, i have not got wifi stuff yet... /me 2 poor |
| 12:10.16 | jason | ha... well... I have one but linux is quite a pain in setting it up |
| 12:10.25 | jason | I am almost there too... so close |
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| 12:12.34 | jason | pro, so where are you from? |
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| 12:12.54 | pro | south africa |
| 12:12.58 | jason | cool |
| 12:13.02 | jason | I am from finland |
| 12:13.03 | pro | and .self? |
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| 12:13.37 | nksen | how can I find out which kernel the images EXACTLY use? say kernel-image-2.6-686, which version of 2.6 is it? |
| 12:13.53 | meff | check its deps |
| 12:13.57 | meff | its a metapkg |
| 12:14.04 | pro | and its not that im too poor, its just that all my PCs are in the same room, and i have iBurst on my laptop and my server (iBurst is like wireless inet) |
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| 12:14.15 | RichiH | nksen: apt-cache show kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 12:14.17 | jason | oh |
| 12:14.18 | jason | cool |
| 12:14.18 | jason | cool |
| 12:14.24 | RichiH | nksen: debian kernels use patches, though |
| 12:14.46 | RichiH | so if you want the same source code, get the source code package |
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| 12:15.06 | nksen | RichiH: same source code was what? |
| 12:15.14 | nksen | RichiH: btw. I tried apt-cache show... there |
| 12:15.17 | nksen | "s no further information |
| 12:15.28 | RichiH | nksen: you need to look at the depends |
| 12:15.36 | meff | |grep -i depends |
| 12:15.37 | meff | :P |
| 12:15.40 | pro | bbl getting too much blood in my nicotine stream |
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| 12:15.59 | gudi | hi |
| 12:16.05 | nksen | even there is no information on the exact kernel version |
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| 12:16.25 | gudi | i try to create a vserver with debian sarge when i try touse chnewvserver i get this error: |
| 12:16.25 | gudi | Must be run from the host server (security context 0) |
| 12:16.27 | gudi | whe y? |
| 12:16.29 | timzter | How do I reboot to single user mode? Do I do: telinit 1 followed by shutdown -r now ? |
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| 12:16.31 | RichiH | nksen: .. |
| 12:16.50 | VNC51898 | hello, any one know how to make a number of limitation connectiong to server per IP? thanks |
| 12:16.53 | RichiH | nksen: apt-cache show kernel-image-2.6-686 | grep -i Depends |
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| 12:18.35 | Roxport | AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
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| 12:19.37 | VNC51898 | hello, any one know how to make a number of limitation connecting to server per IP? thanks |
| 12:19.55 | timzter | How do I reboot to single user more? Do I do: telinit 1 then shutdown -r now Is this it? |
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| 12:20.28 | jm_ | VNC51898: you mean something like iptables' recent module? |
| 12:20.28 | jm_ | VNC51898: you mean something like iptables' recent module? |
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| 12:20.59 | xerxes1358 | I wish there was a Skype software that I could put on my Linksys router so I dont have to let my Computer on all the time |
| 12:21.00 | airox | VNC51898: You could also checkout mod_throttle for apache2, if you are running apache2 offcourse. |
| 12:21.16 | timzter | can someone please answer? |
| 12:21.28 | meff | !tell timzter about repeating |
| 12:21.33 | Roxport | bad EIP value? bad EIP value? WTF WTF i keep getting this crap: Kernel panic: Aiee. killing interrup handler! when trying to install this m'fn sarge |
| 12:21.40 | timzter | How do I reboot to single user more? Do I do: telinit 1 then shutdown -r now Is this it? |
| 12:21.50 | meff | !tell timzter about repeating |
| 12:22.23 | jm_ | tell timzter -about single user mode |
| 12:22.32 | xerxes1358 | LinkSys has memory on board so you could load an os like mini linux on it including a SIP software |
| 12:22.52 | msn | timzter: on the lilo promt type linux s |
| 12:22.58 | Roxport | later |
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| 12:23.11 | meff | xerxes1358: www.dd-wrt.com is linksys firmware / sipphone software. |
| 12:23.22 | msn | timzter: on the grub prompt press p and press e , then press space type s press enter and press b |
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| 12:23.26 | meff | xerxes1358: though, its in beta still. |
| 12:23.44 | xerxes1358 | meff, thanks mate . awsome |
| 12:23.48 | timzter | msn what is grub prompt? |
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| 12:24.08 | Loquilloboss | hiz |
| 12:24.19 | meff | xerxes1358: its the v23 betas.. be careful before playing with them.. http://www.linksysinfo.org/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewforum&f=34 sign up here and read read read. |
| 12:24.29 | Loquilloboss | i need support, can anyone help me? |
| 12:24.30 | msn | timzter: http://www.google.com/search?q=grub |
| 12:24.34 | resiak | !tell Loquilloboss -about ask |
| 12:24.42 | msn | timzter: http://www.google.com/search?q=lilo |
| 12:24.45 | xerxes1358 | meff, roger that |
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| 12:25.41 | Loquilloboss | I have just installed Debian on my other computer, but now I am in the shell, and i want to execute a x window |
| 12:25.54 | Loquilloboss | (sorry for my english) |
| 12:26.43 | ramiro | Loquilloboss : startx ? |
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| 12:26.48 | Loquilloboss | dont work |
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| 12:27.06 | ramiro | Loquilloboss : xinit ? |
| 12:27.07 | Loquilloboss | command dont find (in spanish |
| 12:27.07 | Loquilloboss | command dont find (in spanish |
| 12:27.16 | Loquilloboss | no |
| 12:27.23 | Miichael | did you install the x window system? |
| 12:27.23 | jm_ | Loquilloboss: so what do you do if a command doesn't exist? |
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| 12:27.49 | pureone | jm_ panic? |
| 12:27.53 | Loquilloboss | i think, i select the packets in the installation |
| 12:27.54 | jm_ | pureone: good one |
| 12:28.00 | pureone | :P |
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| 12:28.19 | Loquilloboss | [jm_] i dont know |
| 12:28.20 | Loquilloboss | XD |
| 12:28.20 | Loquilloboss | XD |
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| 12:28.35 | jm_ | Loquilloboss: you don't? have you ever thought that you have to get it installed somehow? |
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| 12:29.06 | Loquilloboss | i believe that in the installation i downloaded it and installed it, but im not sure |
| 12:29.26 | Loquilloboss | it was the first group of packets I selected in the installation |
| 12:29.55 | ramiro | did you install a windows manager like kde or gnome ? |
| 12:30.03 | pureone | packages not packets :) |
| 12:30.08 | mathieu | are there any snmp tools that monitor a (linux,debian) host? |
| 12:30.08 | mathieu | are there any snmp tools that monitor a (linux,debian) host? |
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| 12:30.14 | Loquilloboss | sorry, my englisk isnt good |
| 12:30.37 | mathieu | (using the host mib from the rfc) |
| 12:30.41 | pureone | no problem :) |
| 12:30.41 | pureone | no problem :) |
| 12:30.58 | rohal | looking from an hour for this plugin xmms-xmmplayer.....but coulnt find it..... |
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| 12:31.06 | Loquilloboss | better.. what is the command for reconfigure the installation? |
| 12:31.08 | Loquilloboss | better.. what is the command for reconfigure the installation? |
| 12:31.42 | Miichael | just apt-get install the stuff |
| 12:31.42 | pureone | why would you reconfig the whole install? why not just install x and a window manager? |
| 12:31.51 | pureone | apt-get install fluxbox or something |
| 12:32.04 | Miichael | apt-get install x-window-system or somthing |
| 12:32.09 | ramiro | apt-get install xfree86-common |
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| 12:32.18 | Loquilloboss | i want to install the xwindow |
| 12:32.24 | ramiro | apt-get install xfce |
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| 12:32.31 | fireba11 | ^^ |
| 12:32.33 | ramiro | apt-get install kde .......this take a long time |
| 12:32.53 | pureone | ramiro not as long as emerge kde on gentoo :P |
| 12:33.02 | ramiro | xD |
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| 12:33.50 | Loquilloboss | kde is equal to xwindow? |
| 12:33.50 | Loquilloboss | kde is equal to xwindow? |
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| 12:34.56 | ramiro | kde is a windows manager, but require the xwindow |
| 12:34.59 | rohal | some one please tell me from where to get this plugin.....xmms-xmmplayer |
| 12:35.39 | ramiro | rohal : apt-get install xmms-xmmplayer |
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| 12:36.20 | ramiro | rohal : http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=xmms-xmmplayer&searchon=name&subword=1&version=all&release=all |
| 12:36.30 | rohal | ramiro: it says couldnt find it... |
| 12:36.31 | Loquilloboss | thanks a lot |
| 12:36.35 | Loquilloboss | im downloading it |
| 12:36.35 | Loquilloboss | im downloading it |
| 12:36.36 | Loquilloboss | ^^ |
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| 12:36.54 | ggeecko | is this correct apt-get install xorg??? |
| 12:37.14 | pureone | ggeecko apt-cache search xorg |
| 12:37.21 | prozureus | anyone had trouble installing the jde package with emacs21? |
| 12:37.30 | ggeecko | k...thx |
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| 12:39.18 | Scite | ot: how can i know if my server has 64 bit pci slots or not? |
| 12:39.29 | asuffield | Scite: if you don't know, it doesn't |
| 12:39.59 | Scite | asuffield: okay, they are wider huh? |
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| 12:41.07 | asuffield | they're significantly longer, if that's what you mean |
| 12:41.40 | Scite | asuffield: yes exactly.. hmm, should be easy enough to spot them in that case.. thanks |
| 12:42.01 | asuffield | yes, they're unmistakably different |
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| 12:47.19 | ProN00b | i got portmap and rpc.statd, and exim4 running by default on my sarge, how do i kill em ? |
| 12:47.34 | asuffield | if you don't need nfs at all, uninstall portmap |
| 12:47.47 | ProN00b | nfs is ? |
| 12:47.51 | asuffield | then you don't need it |
| 12:48.07 | md5sum | lol |
| 12:48.09 | fireba11 | ProN00b: you need a MTA for a lot of programs though |
| 12:48.09 | fireba11 | ProN00b: you need a MTA for a lot of programs though |
| 12:48.51 | ProN00b | i just want it to disappear from netstat |
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| 12:49.51 | asuffield | (rpc.statd will disappear with the rest of the nfs system) |
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| 12:51.10 | md5sum | after ntp is setup, do you have to setup cron jobs to sync your clock, or does it sync automatically? |
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| 12:51.49 | ProN00b | so, any idea how i close portmap and rpc.statd ? |
| 12:52.00 | ProN00b | ports |
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| 12:52.10 | fireba11 | md5sum: what is "set up" for you ? |
| 12:52.10 | fireba11 | md5sum: what is "set up" for you ? |
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| 12:52.28 | azeem | ProN00b: deinstall portmap |
| 12:52.37 | pureone | ProN00b /etc/init.d/portmap stop;apt-get --purge remove portmap |
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| 12:53.23 | ProN00b | nfs is only network filesystem ? |
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| 12:53.44 | timzter | I want to run fsck /dev/hda1, but it says WARNING! Running e2fsck on a mounted filesystem may cause SEVERE filesystem damage. So I ran telinit to go to single user mode. I thought this will allow me to run fsck now, but it still gives me the warning. How then do I run fsck?? |
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| 12:53.51 | fireba11 | md5sum: if you did an apt-get install ntp ntp-simple ntpdate and added a ntp source to config file it will automatically update, yes :-) |
| 12:54.10 | fireba11 | timzter: unmount hda1 |
| 12:54.18 | ProN00b | is nfs is only network filesystem ? |
| 12:54.34 | asg | ProN00b: no |
| 12:54.35 | timzter | fireba11: if I umount it, how then do I get to the fsck command? fsck is on hda1 |
| 12:54.35 | timzter | fireba11: if I umount it, how then do I get to the fsck command? fsck is on hda1 |
| 12:54.50 | fireba11 | timzter: then mount it read-only |
| 12:54.56 | ramiro | whats mean nfs ? |
| 12:55.02 | fireba11 | !nfs |
| 12:55.02 | dpkg | nfs is, like, Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about 'ssh tunneled nfs', or http://linuxslut.net/guides/nfs.php |
| 12:55.03 | dpkg | nfs is, like, Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about 'ssh tunneled nfs', or http://linuxslut.net/guides/nfs.php |
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| 12:55.27 | fireba11 | haha |
| 12:55.28 | timzter | fireba11: if I mount it readonly, how then does fsck attempt to correct any problems with hda1? |
| 12:55.31 | ramiro | thats a good definition |
| 12:55.31 | ramiro | thats a good definition |
| 12:55.48 | timzter | Doesn't fsck need to WRITE to the disk to correct problems? |
| 12:55.51 | fireba11 | timzter: it#s accessing HD directly, don#t worry about that :-) |
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| 12:56.01 | timzter | ok |
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| 12:57.17 | timzter | fireba11: I typed: umount /dev/hda1 It gives no errors, but then I typed mount and I still see /dev/hda1 in the list. |
| 12:58.00 | SimonRaven | because mtab didn't get written to |
| 12:58.29 | timzter | so how do I umount /dev/hda1 properly?? |
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| 12:59.02 | SimonRaven | well, this assumes hda1 was / |
| 12:59.09 | timzter | yes |
| 12:59.37 | timzter | should I Boot up with floppy then? |
| 12:59.45 | rhalff | is it possible to log scp transfers ? |
| 12:59.51 | rhalff | I mean is it easy to configure. |
| 12:59.53 | SimonRaven | should be doing this kind of thing within a rescue context... avoids problems like this.. |
| 13:00.09 | SimonRaven | rhalff: some usage of tee i suppose *shrug* |
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| 13:00.34 | fireba11 | timzter: okay .. the easy way :-) 1) do a backup 2) reboot -F forces fsck on reboot |
| 13:00.56 | timzter | cant do a backup |
| 13:01.00 | fireba11 | why ? |
| 13:01.00 | fireba11 | why ? |
| 13:01.10 | timzter | the reason I am trying to do fsck is to solve disk problems |
| 13:01.27 | timzter | how would I backup if I am experiencing disk errors |
| 13:01.30 | fireba11 | well of course :-) |
| 13:01.44 | fireba11 | can't you jsut scp it over network to another machine or so ? |
| 13:01.50 | timzter | it works, just that I get warnings spewed on the screen |
| 13:02.02 | timzter | well, nah, no other machione :) |
| 13:02.13 | SimonRaven | also touch <mountpoint>/forcefsck works |
| 13:02.49 | fireba11 | timzter: ah well .. then i hope you got a recent backup ... if you need fsck .. |
| 13:03.09 | timzter | SimonRaven: do that when hda1 is STILL mounted? |
| 13:03.23 | timzter | fireba11: you mean, it can actually make things worse? |
| 13:03.33 | jhaig | Is it possible to configure named so that DNS requests from other machines get the hostnames from /etc/hosts (as well as usual DNS)? |
| 13:03.34 | fireba11 | timzter: depends on what is broken ... |
| 13:03.44 | jm_ | jhaig: dnsmasq does that |
| 13:03.47 | fireba11 | timzter: what errors are you getting anyway ? |
| 13:03.58 | jhaig | jm_: Thanks. I'll look into that. |
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| 13:04.51 | jhaig | jm_: I assume dnsmasq is meant to be used instead of named, not as well as. |
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| 13:05.24 | jm_ | jhaig: right, it's a caching DNS server and can also be used as a small DNS server |
| 13:05.29 | timzter | fireba11: I get errors spewed to stderr such as: I/O error, dev 03:03 (hda), sector 897465.....clm-6001: grab_tail_page failed -5... |
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| 13:06.20 | hansdampf | hi i need libstdc++.so.6 for debian 3.1! i cant find it, someone can send it to me? thx qry |
| 13:06.28 | fireba11 | timzter: then most likely a fsck won't help much snce i would bet on a broken HD |
| 13:07.06 | timzter | also.... hda:read_intr: error=0x59 {DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error } |
| 13:07.51 | timzter | fireba11: but other than having these errors appear on the console, the box is actually working fine...at least for what I use it for... |
| 13:08.00 | ramiro | what mean this : hda:read_intr: error=0x59 {DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error } |
| 13:08.11 | hansdampf | hi i need libstdc++.so.6 for debian 3.1! i cant find it, someone can send it to me? thx qry |
| 13:08.14 | ramiro | is there a "dma" error ? |
| 13:08.16 | timzter | ramiro: I typed that! :) |
| 13:08.24 | timzter | i dont know |
| 13:08.26 | fireba11 | timzter: sounds like a couple dead clusters on your HD .. even if fsck works i woound't trust it far anymore |
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| 13:09.11 | asg | hansdampf: /msg dpkg redhat crap |
| 13:09.11 | timzter | fireba11: doesnt fsck mark bad blocks? even Windows defrag can do that :) |
| 13:09.11 | asg | hansdampf: /msg dpkg redhat crap |
| 13:09.11 | timzter | fireba11: doesnt fsck mark bad blocks? even Windows defrag can do that :) |
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| 13:09.48 | ramiro | badblocks do that |
| 13:09.54 | BeBrA | hello! do you know any tool like awdflash for linux? I just need to backup my bios, not reflashing |
| 13:09.59 | fireba11 | timzter: of course .. but once you got more dead blocks than the drive had spares (otherwise you wodn#t have got an error most likely) it's closeto dying |
| 13:10.28 | nvz | unless things have changed which I severly doubt, defrag cannot do that. |
| 13:10.47 | timzter | fireba11: but I still have tons of space on it tho |
| 13:10.47 | timzter | fireba11: but I still have tons of space on it tho |
| 13:11.00 | ramiro | is needed a phisical fix |
| 13:11.28 | fireba11 | timzter: there is a reason for blocks to go bad you know |
| 13:12.06 | ramiro | timzter : how big is your hard disk ? |
| 13:12.30 | timzter | ramiro: not that big...60 Gigs, but I believe I have more than 60% left |
| 13:13.01 | fireba11 | nvz ? |
| 13:13.08 | JohnnyST | how do I mount a filesystem with mandatory locks? and is it ok to do that for the root partition? |
| 13:13.08 | JohnnyST | how do I mount a filesystem with mandatory locks? and is it ok to do that for the root partition? |
| 13:13.14 | nvz | I am waiting for my pc to boot |
| 13:13.39 | fireba11 | !mandatory locks |
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| 13:13.53 | fireba11 | JohnnyST: what the hell is that ? |
| 13:14.33 | jm_ | JohnnyST: man mount |
| 13:14.34 | JohnnyST | fireba11, good question :) it says so here: http://www.server-side.de/download.htm |
| 13:14.45 | timzter | ok now when I do fsck /dev/hda1, it says /dev/hda1: clean... |
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| 13:16.25 | nvz | anyhow the last time I used defrag on windows, granted it was probably 5 years ago, but it failed on any even the smallest disk errors and required you to run chkdisk or scandisk to fix them |
| 13:16.43 | fireba11 | jup, can't do it by itself .. |
| 13:17.50 | timzter | does fsck only check but not fix? How do I make it fix? |
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| 13:18.37 | widrone | timzter: man fsck , there is some fix and force options if I remember. |
| 13:19.05 | JohnnyST | jm_ , fireba11: tested mandatory locks now on the root partition it boots so I guess it works.. |
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| 13:19.11 | ciphernaut | has anyone made an online version of 'apt-file' ? |
| 13:19.13 | Mardus | Hi. |
| 13:19.19 | jm_ | ciphernaut: visit p.d.o |
| 13:19.22 | nvz | i9~n any case comparing debian to windows in #debian is like comparing the market for sweedish dildos with that of Bed And Breakfast Inns in or around New Yourk City at a 3year old's birthday party in London |
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| 13:19.51 | nvz | really has not comparison and isnt considered appropriate |
| 13:20.05 | nikkos | I need a link/code to a PALcode for pentium (if it excist)... plz.... |
| 13:20.12 | fireba11 | lol |
| 13:20.12 | Mardus | I've connected a printer to a computer and tried printing in AbiWord. The message I get is: "Font data file [filepath/filename.pfb] cannot be opened for reading; your PostScript might be missing this resource [ok button]" |
| 13:20.12 | fireba11 | lol |
| 13:20.13 | Mardus | I've connected a printer to a computer and tried printing in AbiWord. The message I get is: "Font data file [filepath/filename.pfb] cannot be opened for reading; your PostScript might be missing this resource [ok button]" |
| 13:20.36 | ciphernaut | jm_: cheers |
| 13:20.48 | Mardus | I've googled on this, but there's not much info about it. |
| 13:20.55 | nksen | anyone runs an orinoco w-lan card with debian and is able to set the channel for this card? |
| 13:21.18 | nkuttler | Mardus: it really says filepath/filename.pfb? |
| 13:21.41 | Mardus | nkuttler: /usr/share/fonts/type1/gsfonts/n021003l.pfb -- but the file does exist in that filepath |
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| 13:22.49 | nvz | oh well I am going to bed until the mail man gets here I am so broke I can't afford to pay attention to this non-sense :P |
| 13:22.49 | nvz | oh well I am going to bed until the mail man gets here I am so broke I can't afford to pay attention to this non-sense :P |
| 13:23.17 | widrone | Mardus: permissions on the file aok then? |
| 13:23.35 | TTT | hi, i have a debian/windows dual boot system, I can control it remotely via SSH/VNC, how do I reboot it to windows from linux, then back again to linux from windows? From linux I can change lilo.conf for windows to get booted first, but how do I boot back to linux after that? |
| 13:23.46 | Mardus | widrone: I checked the permissions and the file seems to have read rights for all (as per xfiler) |
| 13:24.01 | jm_ | TTT: use lilo -R |
| 13:24.26 | widrone | Mardus: Ok, then no idea. Im a friend of the trees so I dont really print =) |
| 13:24.36 | TTT | jm_: lilo -R ? /me goes RTFM |
| 13:24.36 | TTT | jm_: lilo -R ? /me goes RTFM |
| 13:24.37 | abrotman | or configure lilo .. correctly ... |
| 13:24.43 | timzter | I dont get it... fsck /dev/hda2 takes a while to complete, even tho it did end with an error... but fsck -a /dev/hda2 is done almost immediately without doing anything... I thought -a means repair without asking. |
| 13:24.54 | nvz | widrone: where do you live? |
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| 13:25.07 | Mardus | widrone: Well, my father got a working ink cassette into the printer, so I wanted to try my luck out. |
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| 13:26.00 | nvz | widrone: in a tin shack? |
| 13:26.07 | Mardus | nvz: hehe |
| 13:26.09 | abrotman | montana ? |
| 13:26.18 | fireba11 | am back from fixing "power on after power failure" on two PCs ^^ |
| 13:26.20 | asg | unabomber? |
| 13:26.35 | TTT | jm_: thanks a lot, i think this will work, i'll try it at once |
| 13:26.47 | nvz | Mardus: :) |
| 13:27.01 | Mardus | Still, I can't print in AbiWord. |
| 13:27.28 | fireba11 | timzter: what file system are you using anyway ? |
| 13:28.28 | widrone | nvz: I have a computer in a wooden box, that is as far as Ill go. I live in concrete blocks myself. |
| 13:29.01 | fireba11 | widrone: wooden cases are stupid though .. gets much too hut in there |
| 13:29.05 | fireba11 | hot even |
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| 13:29.27 | timzter | fireba11: /dev/hda1 is ext3....the other filesystems are reiserfs |
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| 13:29.42 | Mardus | I live in a concrete block, too. |
| 13:30.08 | abrotman | just one? |
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| 13:30.08 | abrotman | just one? |
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| 13:30.23 | widrone | fireba11: hut! hut! hut! I stuck half a laptop in a box I built many years ago, the screen broke and I wanted to mod something really. |
| 13:30.28 | Mardus | abrotman: A building made of concrete blocks. |
| 13:30.32 | fireba11 | timzter so you did fsck without any errors reported and you still get error messages in log ? |
| 13:30.32 | fireba11 | timzter so you did fsck without any errors reported and you still get error messages in log ? |
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| 13:30.47 | timzter | not in log...in console |
| 13:30.52 | abrotman | Mardus: ah ok |
| 13:30.53 | timzter | not sure if there are any in log...which log? |
| 13:31.01 | abrotman | gah .. not again! |
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| 13:31.15 | Mardus | I watched "The Island" recently and among other advertised brands, the film advertised msn search :/ |
| 13:31.18 | fireba11 | timzter: syslog if in doubt .. |
| 13:31.23 | timzter | fireba11: in single user mode the errors are now spewing |
| 13:31.33 | fireba11 | what's spewing ? |
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| 13:31.37 | abrotman | fireba11: barf |
| 13:31.44 | fireba11 | no good |
| 13:31.48 | abrotman | !dict spew |
| 13:31.50 | dpkg | Dictionary 'spew' (4 of 5): . Spew \Spew\, v. i. 1. To vomit. --Chaucer. ;; 2. To cast forth with abhorrence or disgust; to eject. ;; Spew \Spew\, n. That which is vomited; vomit. ;; Because thou art lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spew thee out of my mouth. --Rev. ii. 16.. |
| 13:31.56 | abrotman | fireba11: got it ? |
| 13:31.57 | abrotman | fireba11: got it ? |
| 13:31.57 | fireba11 | sounds like something is broken .. |
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| 13:32.20 | timzter | fireba11: oops I mean...NOT spewing in single user mode |
| 13:32.26 | fireba11 | lol |
| 13:32.29 | fireba11 | ^^ |
| 13:32.50 | fireba11 | have a look at your logs anyway for anythign suspicious |
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| 13:33.04 | timzter | the logs show the ssme thing I see spewed onto console |
| 13:33.42 | Mardus | I'll do some updates via Synaptic, maybe the print issue might just automagically "fade away"... |
| 13:33.48 | fireba11 | timzter: am wondering if really everythign si working okay if you got so much error messages |
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| 13:34.43 | timzter | fireba11: actually yes..webserver is fine, can ssh into it, etc. |
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| 13:35.20 | tarzeau | someone's got a UniChrome Pro 3D card? would it run on sarge without the vesa driver and stock x (no x.org)? |
| 13:36.02 | abrotman | !unichrome |
| 13:36.02 | dpkg | from memory, unichrome is the graphics core found on many recent VIA chipsets. Namely, VIA CLE266, KM400/KN400, K8M800/K8N800, PM800/PM880/CN400. See http://unichrome.sf.net/ or bother libv. |
| 13:36.15 | abrotman | tarzeau: check the chipset crapstuffs |
| 13:36.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: thanks for the hint |
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| 13:36.52 | abrotman | tarzeau: i thought xorg had the driver in it .. not sure though |
| 13:36.55 | Mardus | Can anyone tell what this message means in xconsole -- kernel: UDP: bad checksum. From 85.101.134.49:16535 to 82.131.30.216:9505 |
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| 13:37.11 | abrotman | tarzeau: but i think you have to check via lspci .. and match the model number(update-pciids) |
| 13:37.54 | mickael | hi, i'm sure that it's a well known question : i just installed my sound card, but /dev/dsp isn't existing, is there a debian package which creates the sounds device ? |
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| 13:38.35 | procrastinator | I think I broke my mp3 player with a Windows-installation-disc. |
| 13:38.47 | abrotman | did you install windows on your mp3 player? |
| 13:39.04 | procrastinator | abrotman, not exactly. |
| 13:39.35 | elirips | (OT): i have my debian sarge box connected to a router (linksys wrt54g), from there a connection to a hub, and from there to the cable-modem. now the collision-led is blinking from time to time-do i need to worry about this? |
| 13:39.41 | procrastinator | hey, it lit up |
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| 13:40.09 | procrastinator | I accidentally deleted the partition on it with a Windows installation |
| 13:40.15 | abrotman | elirips: sometimes that light has a dual meaning |
| 13:40.26 | abrotman | procrastinator: so .. make anew one ? ,... all your stuff is gone thoguh |
| 13:40.26 | abrotman | procrastinator: so .. make anew one ? ,... all your stuff is gone thoguh |
| 13:40.27 | tarzeau | abrotman: ok thanks |
| 13:40.29 | elirips | abrotman: and what would be the 2nd meaning? |
| 13:40.30 | abrotman | tarzeau: find it ? |
| 13:40.36 | abrotman | elirips: check the manual ? |
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| 13:40.55 | abrotman | elirips: not always .. but sometimes ... it depends on the model |
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| 13:41.07 | abrotman | mickael: are you using OSS or alsa ? |
| 13:41.08 | procrastinator | abrotman: Yeah, but just before it seemed to be totally dead - nothing happened at all when plugging it in |
| 13:41.08 | procrastinator | abrotman: Yeah, but just before it seemed to be totally dead - nothing happened at all when plugging it in |
| 13:41.15 | elirips | abrotman: this hub is a really cheap planet-5-port hub. it has no manual, so i guess the col-led has only one meaning? |
| 13:41.15 | abrotman | procrastinator: in linux ? |
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| 13:41.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: i will look, i also have to look for non-vesa for nv and ati (fglrx) |
| 13:41.25 | abrotman | elirips: probably |
| 13:41.30 | procrastinator | abrotman: Yes. |
| 13:41.36 | abrotman | !usb-storage |
| 13:41.36 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
| 13:41.36 | abrotman | !usb-storage |
| 13:41.36 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
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| 13:41.51 | procrastinator | the worst thing is, the backup of my sisters data was on it |
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| 13:42.16 | abrotman | procrastinator: oh well .. shit happens |
| 13:42.24 | elirips | abrotman: so do i need to worry about the col-led blinking? |
| 13:42.32 | abrotman | procrastinator: you can try to get it back . but doubtful |
| 13:42.37 | procrastinator | abrotman, fdisk -l shows it now, it didn't before. I don't really have a problem now. |
| 13:42.46 | abrotman | elirips: not really .. i mean .. you can try to find out why .. |
| 13:42.48 | abrotman | procrastinator: ok |
| 13:42.54 | procrastinator | abrotman: nah... |
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| 13:43.02 | abrotman | elirips: it will just resend .. it's bad for total throughput |
| 13:43.16 | widrone | abrotman: Indeed shit do happen, so true. |
| 13:43.16 | widrone | abrotman: Indeed shit do happen, so true. |
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| 13:43.31 | abrotman | widrone: just try not to step in it |
| 13:43.37 | Mardus | What does "kerne: UDP: bad checksum. From [ipnumber:port] to [ipnumber:portnumber]" mean? |
| 13:43.39 | roboo | hi.. when i boot linux, there is an error but i cant see it.. how can i look that ? |
| 13:43.39 | roboo | hi.. when i boot linux, there is an error but i cant see it.. how can i look that ? |
| 13:43.40 | Mardus | * kernel |
| 13:43.50 | elirips | abrotman: and what can cause those 'collisions'? |
| 13:43.52 | abrotman | Mardus: it's a bad checksum |
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| 13:44.01 | fireba11 | roboo: who you know there is one then ? |
| 13:44.04 | fireba11 | how |
| 13:44.07 | abrotman | elirips: stupid network devices . it's a hub or switch ? |
| 13:44.10 | Mardus | abrotman: Sure, but what does it mean -- Is it an intrusion attempt or something? |
| 13:44.15 | nvz | I was snooping around the network today at work, you know the oppisite of minding my own business... and I found gay pr0n on the foremans PC |
| 13:44.24 | widrone | roboo: How do you know there is an error when you dont see it? |
| 13:44.24 | abrotman | Mardus: could be .. if you see a lot of them worry .. if not .. ignore |
| 13:44.24 | abrotman | Mardus: could be .. if you see a lot of them worry .. if not .. ignore |
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| 13:44.28 | roboo | fireba11: there is red asterisk and write error but i cant see it enough |
| 13:44.30 | nvz | I am done snooping around.. at least for a little while :P |
| 13:44.30 | fireba11 | nvz *lol* |
| 13:44.30 | nvz | I am done snooping around.. at least for a little while :P |
| 13:44.31 | fireba11 | nvz *lol* |
| 13:44.37 | widrone | nvz: Its been put there to discredit him. |
| 13:44.40 | fireba11 | roboo: check the log then |
| 13:44.44 | elirips | abrotman: a hub. with a cable-modem connected and the router (i have it in case i would like to connect a device directly to the internet with by-passing the router). |
| 13:44.52 | roboo | fireba11: i checked but i couldn't find it already |
| 13:44.53 | roboo | fireba11: i checked but i couldn't find it already |
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| 13:44.59 | abrotman | elirips: do you know the difference between a hub and a switch ? |
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| 13:45.03 | roboo | isnt there a specific file to them ? |
| 13:45.05 | Mardus | abrotman: Well, today seems to be the first time I see this error and it has repeated a few times. |
| 13:45.07 | roboo | foor them |
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| 13:45.14 | abrotman | Mardus: you could block the other IP |
| 13:45.23 | nvz | widrone: thats what I was thinking but it was dated like 6/2004 so its not like it was just put there and it was the only shared resouce he had. it had a password on it, but the particular node I was on didnt ask me for it |
| 13:45.28 | elirips | abrotman: yes, i think a hub sends a packet to everyone that is connected, while i switch somehow knows at which port he has to send it (?) |
| 13:45.34 | abrotman | Mardus: or try to catch one and ask someone who is really into networking |
| 13:45.44 | abrotman | elirips: if it's a hub .. collisions are more common |
| 13:45.44 | abrotman | elirips: if it's a hub .. collisions are more common |
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| 13:45.54 | nvz | widrone: you would have to be pretty stupid to not realize you got two images of someones cock in your only shared folder for over a years time |
| 13:46.00 | Mardus | abrotman: "catch one" - whom or what? |
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| 13:46.08 | abrotman | Mardus: catch one of the packets |
| 13:46.11 | elirips | abrotman: so i do not need to worry about it (like that downloads are corrupted or so)? |
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| 13:46.17 | abrotman | elirips: doubtful |
| 13:46.18 | fireba11 | roboo: try /var/log/messages |
| 13:46.20 | Mardus | abrotman: Ok. |
| 13:46.28 | elirips | abrotman: doubtful? |
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| 13:46.53 | fireba11 | elirips: TCP/IP got checksums .. so thats no problem |
| 13:46.55 | abrotman | elirips: it will get resent if it's really a problem .. i wouldn't concern myself with it unless it's constant collisions |
| 13:47.03 | widrone | nvz: Its a bit hard to miss, yes. But he did passwd it so you wouldnt just stumble upon it now would you? Curiosity kills cats, and burns your eyes. =) |
| 13:47.21 | nvz | I clicked on them and it opened a small MS Paint window, and I couldnt make out what it was, so I started scrolling over and I was like OMFG! |
| 13:47.29 | abrotman | nvz: maybe he put it there for you? |
| 13:47.31 | Mardus | abrotman: I'm googling this right now, so I might get an answer to this... |
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| 13:47.39 | abrotman | Mardus: good plan .. |
| 13:47.39 | abrotman | Mardus: good plan .. |
| 13:47.47 | nvz | abrotman: I just started working there last week. the dates on the file are over a year old |
| 13:47.48 | elirips | abrotman: it is "relativly" constant: it is blinking roughly every seccond. |
| 13:47.54 | Benix | how is the packagename of the x-devel ? |
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| 13:48.03 | abrotman | elirips: that's not what i consider constant :) |
| 13:48.08 | widrone | nvz: Get a photo of the person and gimp his face in to the pic! |
| 13:48.11 | fireba11 | nvz that's the "mind-your-own-business" protection :-) |
| 13:48.12 | abrotman | Benix: xlibs-dev |
| 13:48.12 | abrotman | Benix: xlibs-dev |
| 13:48.16 | Benix | abrotman: thx |
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| 13:48.37 | roboo | Oct 20 11:24:29 debian kernel: powernow-k8: BIOS error - no PSB or ACPI _PSS objects |
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| 13:48.44 | roboo | what is this :s |
| 13:48.45 | elirips | abrotman: okay then. thanks for your help. i was just wondering what could cause it.. |
| 13:48.46 | nvz | widrone: there was no face that I could see. was the classic idiot uses cam to take a picture of his better half deal |
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| 13:48.58 | abrotman | elirips: there might be a #networking that could tell you more |
| 13:49.00 | nvz | fireba11: maybe |
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| 13:49.06 | Mardus | nvz: Oh, I know these. |
| 13:49.07 | nvz | fireba11: it worked |
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| 13:49.14 | elirips | abrotman: thanks, i'll try it there. |
| 13:49.16 | nvz | fireba11: I wasnt curious about his pc anymore |
| 13:49.23 | byteshack | is there any way to make NOT email me when it executes one of the lines in my crontab? |
| 13:49.24 | phaedral | howdy; looking for a clue on adding apache2, mysql and php to my sarge netinstall; does it matter what order I apt-get them in? |
| 13:49.31 | byteshack | I like to get the emails, just not for this ONE line |
| 13:49.52 | fireba11 | byteshack: of course is there a way |
| 13:49.56 | widrone | nvz: Oh so its probably his dick he sent to some girl or guy, whatever. Send them to the printer. |
| 13:49.56 | widrone | nvz: Oh so its probably his dick he sent to some girl or guy, whatever. Send them to the printer. |
| 13:49.57 | azeem | byteshack: pipe stdout to /dev/null |
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| 13:50.04 | Mardus | nvz: These pix that you described are usually some of the worst of gay pr0n. |
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| 13:50.14 | nvz | widrone: haha! that _would_ be funny |
| 13:50.14 | deconvolution | hi, I got a usb-interface cd-rw. It can be mounted as /dev/uba. However, cdrecord cannot find such device. How can I burn debian iso via that device? |
| 13:50.17 | byteshack | and that wont email me, correct? |
| 13:50.23 | fireba11 | phaedral no .. apt-get install mysql-common apache2 libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 13:50.34 | widrone | roboo: ACPI tries to load, and computer does not support that? |
| 13:50.37 | byteshack | so, in the cmd secton: /foo/mycmd.exe > /dev/null? |
| 13:50.38 | phaedral | fireba11: thanks for the reality check |
| 13:50.41 | abrotman | deconvolution: what OS do you have there now ? |
| 13:50.43 | Mardus | nvz: The printout could perhaps show where that pr0n was from. |
| 13:50.52 | deconvolution | abrotman: debian of couse |
| 13:50.56 | azeem | byteshack: it will only mail you if something writes to stderr |
| 13:51.03 | byteshack | cool |
| 13:51.03 | byteshack | cool |
| 13:51.07 | azeem | which is probably what you want |
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| 13:51.23 | byteshack | thanks |
| 13:51.36 | abrotman | deconvolution: how are oyu telling cdrecord that it's there? |
| 13:51.38 | hansdampf | !need libstdc++.so.6 for debian 3.1 |
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| 13:51.52 | roboo | widrone: it support.. i can see cpu temperature etc on windows xp.. and i enabled it from bios |
| 13:52.07 | deconvolution | abrotman: it reports cannot open /dev/pg* |
| 13:52.22 | abrotman | deconvolution: did you tell cdrecord to use /dev/uda ? |
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| 13:53.14 | nvz | Mardus: no doubt. even if I was a horny virgin teenage girl on the internet I wouldnt want to see just that part of a man. I am surprised at how many people have the mentality that seeing 10% of a man is enough. I sure wouldnt want anyone who could only appreciate 7 or 8 inches of me I am about 6ft thats what 63 inches or so you are leaving out of your evaluation |
| 13:53.14 | nvz | Mardus: no doubt. even if I was a horny virgin teenage girl on the internet I wouldnt want to see just that part of a man. I am surprised at how many people have the mentality that seeing 10% of a man is enough. I sure wouldnt want anyone who could only appreciate 7 or 8 inches of me I am about 6ft thats what 63 inches or so you are leaving out of your evaluation |
| 13:53.42 | abrotman | nvz: yours is only 10% .. that's sad |
| 13:53.45 | Guerin | nvz: step away from the bong, again. |
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| 13:54.28 | fireba11 | nvz: so that is what guys where like bevore genetic engeneering .. poor 20th century women (tm futurama) |
| 13:54.28 | Mardus | nvz: Horny virgin teenage girls don't just want to see just parts of men. |
| 13:54.29 | nvz | heh |
| 13:54.29 | Mardus | nvz: Horny virgin teenage girls don't just want to see just parts of men. |
| 13:54.29 | nvz | heh |
| 13:54.42 | Mardus | heh |
| 13:54.45 | Mardus | LOL re fireba11 |
| 13:55.00 | fireba11 | lol |
| 13:55.05 | deconvolution | abrotman: sorry, no CD/DVD-Drive found on this target |
| 13:55.08 | Guerin | !find libstdc++.so.6 sarge |
| 13:55.13 | Mardus | LOL |
| 13:55.13 | Mardus | LOL |
| 13:55.26 | abrotman | deconvolution: are you sure that's the device ? |
| 13:55.32 | deconvolution | abrotman: sure i can mount it |
| 13:55.38 | fireba11 | Guerin nvz horny virgin teenage girls tend to be that only for a very short time |
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| 13:55.44 | Mardus | Guering: Oh I have met one, only that she was my best friend's g/f, who was after my best friend. |
| 13:55.47 | abrotman | as opposed to Guerin .. who runs around loooking for virgins ... |
| 13:55.56 | deconvolution | abrotman: i am using 2.6.13 |
| 13:55.56 | deconvolution | abrotman: i am using 2.6.13 |
| 13:56.02 | Mardus | * Guering |
| 13:56.04 | Mardus | Drat |
| 13:56.04 | Mardus | Drat |
| 13:56.06 | SnuS | is there a problem with clamav in testing ? |
| 13:56.06 | SnuS | is there a problem with clamav in testing ? |
| 13:56.07 | abrotman | deconvolution: that's not in debian |
| 13:56.08 | Mardus | * Guerin |
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| 13:56.22 | SnuS | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:56.30 | Guerin | SnuS: probably. |
| 13:56.31 | Guerin | SnuS: probably. |
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| 13:56.40 | deconvolution | abrotman: and that usb device should be mounted as an IDE device |
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| 13:56.54 | abrotman | deconvolution: not likely .. check dmesg |
| 13:56.57 | SnuS | if I try installing libclamav1, I need libgmp3c2. if I install libgmp3c2, it deinstalls libgmp3c, thus openswan. |
| 13:57.02 | nvz | fireba11: they either grow up or have sex, happens all the time |
| 13:57.16 | SnuS | Guerin any suggestions ? |
| 13:57.17 | Guerin | SnuS: the cure is to wait. |
| 13:57.21 | Mardus | Guerin: repeating this, because you probably might not have read it, because I addressed it wrongly: "Oh I have met one, only that she was my best friend's g/f, who was after my best friend." And she was not a virgin. I didn't envy my best friend, though... |
| 13:57.31 | Guerin | SnuS: or to roll back to a previous version of clamav |
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| 13:57.42 | Mardus | Guerin: Because I addressed you with Guering and not Guerin |
| 13:57.44 | Guerin | Mardus: it wasn't that interesting the first time |
| 13:57.50 | SnuS | yeah, but at the last dist-upgrade it uninstalled my clam, and exiscan isn't scanning for virii any more |
| 13:57.52 | TheNinthCut | Can Linsys receievers connect to Netgear routers? |
| 13:58.02 | SnuS | Guerin how could I do that ? |
| 13:58.04 | Guerin | Mardus: and i'm not sure why you think it's something to brag about |
| 13:58.04 | nvz | Mardus: I had one once. it was cool at first cause I was only 17 at the time.. but it got old real fast. she would hang around my neck everywhere I go and try to rape me in public with my clothes on |
| 13:58.05 | Guerin | Mardus: and i'm not sure why you think it's something to brag about |
| 13:58.05 | nvz | Mardus: I had one once. it was cool at first cause I was only 17 at the time.. but it got old real fast. she would hang around my neck everywhere I go and try to rape me in public with my clothes on |
| 13:58.08 | SnuS | (install an older version) |
| 13:58.16 | Guerin | SnuS: snapshot.debian.net will have the older packages |
| 13:58.16 | Guerin | SnuS: snapshot.debian.net will have the older packages |
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| 13:58.42 | Mardus | Guerin: I was just telling that I just met one such lady, not that I fancied her anyway. |
| 13:58.52 | TheNinthCut | Can Linsys receievers connect to Netgear routers? |
| 13:59.00 | abrotman | can what ? |
| 13:59.04 | abrotman | wtf is linsys ? |
| 13:59.04 | TheNinthCut | Can Linsys receievers connect to Netgear routers? |
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| 13:59.11 | Mardus | Guerin: I began feeling anyway as if this topic was so OT. |
| 13:59.12 | abrotman | TheNinthCut: STOP REPEATING |
| 13:59.14 | TheNinthCut | abrotman, Linksys |
| 13:59.22 | abrotman | TheNinthCut: ask #wireless |
| 13:59.37 | Mardus | TheNinthCut: And the brand name is called LinkSys, AFAIK |
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| 13:59.59 | TheNinthCut | Mardus, i corrected myself to abrotman |
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| 14:00.08 | Mardus | TheNinthCut: Ok. |
| 14:00.27 | widrone | fbi: I really dont like my thc to turn into fbi, youre doing this just to scare us right? :) |
| 14:00.35 | ddrDim9 | can't open remote programs on local display, what package must i install to get :6000 listening for this, can't see x-server in apt-cache output |
| 14:01.02 | Mardus | abrotman: Ah, I think I'm closer to this... Someone in some list suggested I upgrade the kernel. |
| 14:01.36 | nvz | oh well I am proceeding to bed until the mail gets here. then If in fact my check comes I am going to the damn liquer store or some where else equally satisfying |
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| 14:01.51 | ddrDim9 | ah, is this it? xtv - View the screen of a remote X11 display |
| 14:01.52 | Mardus | nvz: here? |
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| 14:02.14 | nvz | #debian is hardly as satisfying as a room full of alcohol |
| 14:02.35 | TheNinthCut | *phew* |
| 14:02.41 | stew | damn |
| 14:02.45 | widrone | ddrDim9: You trying to get connected to a remote X session? |
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| 14:03.03 | ddrDim9 | widrone: trying to open a program from a unix compuer on the debian computer |
| 14:03.04 | Mardus | nvz: But that's the point, you get to have some fun, it's computer-related and no alcohol |
| 14:03.11 | ddrDim9 | the xtv is setting up now, i'l goto that system and see if it works, brb |
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| 14:03.30 | abrotman | Mardus: erm .. ok |
| 14:03.45 | nvz | I've never really classified sitting a lone in front of a PC as fun before |
| 14:03.57 | nvz | heh I put a space in there. |
| 14:04.02 | abrotman | nvz: you could go back to your office and snoop somemore:) |
| 14:04.02 | abrotman | nvz: you could go back to your office and snoop somemore:) |
| 14:04.15 | nvz | abrotman: office? haha. yeah like I have an office |
| 14:04.29 | abrotman | nvz: your place of employment .. you know what i mean damn it |
| 14:04.30 | ddrDim9 | widrone: erk, xtv does the whole screen i think, i just want to open :6000 so remote system can send display to the debian system |
| 14:04.35 | nvz | abrotman: heh |
| 14:04.35 | nvz | abrotman: heh |
| 14:04.39 | widrone | ddrDim9: Im now X wizz, but there should be something in the docs about exporting displays. |
| 14:04.44 | nelf | I want to my system to have the alsa snd-seq module loaded at boot time - do I put it in /etc/modules or /etc/modutils/alsa-base? |
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| 14:05.02 | ddrDim9 | i know how to do it, but it doesn't function, the :6000 isn't in listen state |
| 14:05.08 | widrone | ddrDim9: And I think default configs block that until you evolve to the part of your experience where you read manuals. |
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| 14:05.16 | ddrDim9 | wtf |
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| 14:05.28 | Mardus | Right... So Is it possible to update the kernel through Synaptic? |
| 14:05.32 | nvz | abrotman: between the gay pr0n and all the pirated software I feel like I work for the GNAA or something |
| 14:05.40 | ddrDim9 | widrone: go chuck yourself in a log grinder |
| 14:05.43 | abrotman | nvz: i heard you do! |
| 14:05.47 | ddrDim9 | times twenty, u hack of a human being |
| 14:05.55 | abrotman | !u |
| 14:05.55 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 14:05.55 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 14:05.55 | nvz | abrotman: who'd you hear that from |
| 14:06.00 | abrotman | nvz: my mom |
| 14:06.00 | abrotman | nvz: my mom |
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| 14:06.09 | nvz | abrotman: heh |
| 14:06.12 | widrone | ddrDim9: some default option turned off that wont let it happen. |
| 14:06.21 | nvz | abrotman: wtf does your mom know... |
| 14:06.28 | blondie | does this channel kick idle people? |
| 14:06.33 | nvz | blondie: nope |
| 14:06.33 | ddrDim9 | yes i understand that, i was asking which package i need to install to get :6000 listening |
| 14:06.33 | ddrDim9 | yes i understand that, i was asking which package i need to install to get :6000 listening |
| 14:06.35 | widrone | But off to the log grinder with me then. |
| 14:06.37 | abrotman | nvz: she knows you! .. she's the mom of the girls across the streat |
| 14:06.39 | abrotman | street |
| 14:06.51 | nvz | abrotman: heh. yeah then I guess she does know me |
| 14:06.54 | blondie | I keep "disappearing" from this channel, can't work out why :\ |
| 14:06.58 | abrotman | ddrDim9: you need to configure X correctly .. read the man pages |
| 14:07.02 | blondie | doesn't affect other freenode channels |
| 14:07.07 | nvz | abrotman: still doesnt mean I work for the GNAA |
| 14:07.08 | ddrDim9 | abrotman: ok |
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| 14:07.18 | Alkor | hi, i've got a prob mit alsa! after every reboot of my system i have to run alsaconf. If i don't do so, i've got a failure with xmms. Do I have to add somewhere an entry, that alsa is loaded by starting the system? |
| 14:07.24 | Mardus | nvz: There's pirated software where you work at? |
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| 14:07.30 | hansdampf | !find libstdc++6 |
| 14:07.30 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'libstdc++6' (9): libstdc++6 ;; libstdc++6-4.0-dbg ;; libstdc++6-4.0-dev ;; libstdc++6-4.0-doc ;; libstdc++6-4.0-pic ;; libstdc++6-dbg ;; libstdc++6-dev ;; libstdc++6-doc ;; libstdc++6-pic. |
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| 14:07.36 | nvz | abrotman: sad thing is she doesnt care that her daughter flirts with me all the time |
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| 14:07.36 | nvz | abrotman: sad thing is she doesnt care that her daughter flirts with me all the time |
| 14:07.38 | abrotman | nvz: you just look at underage girls through the window .. and then go to work and loko at your boss' gay porn? .. sounds like GNAA to me :) |
| 14:08.09 | abrotman | nvz: you can laugh now |
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| 14:08.28 | nvz | abrotman: :) |
| 14:08.38 | abrotman | ok .. carry on .. to the liquor store with you! |
| 14:09.25 | nvz | I have no money, no point in going there |
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| 14:09.45 | abrotman | oh .. then stay here and harass Mardus |
| 14:09.58 | Mardus | abrotman: I heard that. |
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| 14:10.30 | widrone | ddrDim9 xhost? |
| 14:11.18 | nvz | I am going to bed then hopefully I will have some money when I wake up |
| 14:11.20 | nvz | I am going to bed then hopefully I will have some money when I wake up |
| 14:11.38 | antgel_ | big problem - server with raid-5 on /, all was working great, shutdown, restart, and now hangs at INIT: version 2.86 booting... have tried init=/bin/sh, same behaviour. i can try knoppix etc, but wtf am i actually looking for here? |
| 14:11.39 | nvz | otherwise I am not going to be in a good mood |
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| 14:12.06 | widrone | Im really bad at X, all of it. So its mostly guesswork. |
| 14:12.23 | nvz | I am already anxiously waiting to par-tay next weekend being broke and bored all week just makes it worse |
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| 14:12.40 | Mardus | nvz: Well, if there's no liquor to have, then have a cup (or a mugful) of black tea (Chinese or Ceylon...). I like it with sugar. |
| 14:12.41 | nvz | whoo hoo you got away with a few pennies if I even have that |
| 14:12.48 | md5sum | nvz: we are going to have a hurricane party on saturday night :D fun fun |
| 14:12.57 | nvz | md5sum: heh. |
| 14:13.07 | abrotman | nvz: zaurus! |
| 14:13.19 | nvz | I am going to DJ Cissy's halloween bash next friday night |
| 14:13.21 | md5sum | that's what's nice about this area of florida... we still get out of work for hurricanes but we're so far inland they never do hella damage |
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| 14:13.29 | nvz | like I always do this time of year |
| 14:13.39 | md5sum | nvz: what type of music does cissy spin? |
| 14:14.01 | Mardus | md5sum: But this Wilma is the strongest hurricane ever measured... |
| 14:14.07 | md5sum | Mardus: *was* |
| 14:14.21 | nvz | md5sum: normally I play 60s and 70s classic rock tunes because they are all older hippies, but this year we are expecing a much larger crowd including lots of younger people my age.. so I will be playing everything |
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| 14:14.33 | md5sum | Mardus: it wasn't the strongest, btw, it just had the lowest pressure... 882 mb... the previous record was 888 mb |
| 14:15.03 | md5sum | nvz: play some electro and old skewl breaks for me lol... I will be there in spirit ;) |
| 14:15.14 | antgel_ | to be more specific, it loads the initrd, sees all the drives, says it's mounted the ext3 filesystem, then nothing after the init booting message |
| 14:15.15 | Mardus | md5sum: Well, I haven't followed the U.S. hurrican news for a few hours now. |
| 14:15.16 | Mardus | md5sum: Well, I haven't followed the U.S. hurrican news for a few hours now. |
| 14:15.19 | nvz | md5sum: Ciss was born on Halloween and is a big halloween fanatic, so we throw a big costume party every year in her basement and have a fire outside.. lots of food and liquer.. |
| 14:15.20 | abrotman | md5sum: how far inland can you be? |
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| 14:15.29 | md5sum | sweet |
| 14:15.38 | Mardus | abrotman: LOL |
| 14:15.42 | abrotman | nvz: liquor |
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| 14:15.54 | nvz | I don't even party for my birthday, but I celebrate her's almost every year |
| 14:15.58 | abrotman | md5sum: i mean .. the whole state is what .. 200 miles across ? |
| 14:16.03 | nvz | abrotman: whatever. I can spell yinzer mofo |
| 14:16.07 | abrotman | hehe |
| 14:16.13 | abrotman | !phillysmite nvz |
| 14:16.19 | md5sum | abrotman: ermmm... not sure the milage from coast, but I am in Winter Haven, Florida. if you can find a map, you will see. |
| 14:16.56 | md5sum | abrotman: yeah something like that, but we are SMACK in the middle of the state both x and y, and that 100 miles or so makes a big difference when we're talking tropical systems |
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| 14:17.00 | abrotman | md5sum: you're like .. 10 miles from downtown tampa |
| 14:17.00 | abrotman | md5sum: you're like .. 10 miles from downtown tampa |
| 14:17.14 | nvz | Casey is rounding up all the ladies for me this year and says she is going to make sure I am well compensated for missing work to do the party this year :P |
| 14:17.18 | abrotman | ok .. maybe 30 |
| 14:17.18 | abrotman | ok .. maybe 30 |
| 14:17.26 | md5sum | LOL no we're not... it takes about an hour and 15 minutes to get to tampa from here |
| 14:17.42 | abrotman | stupid maps.google has no scape |
| 14:17.43 | abrotman | err scale |
| 14:17.48 | abrotman | oh wait .. yes it does |
| 14:17.58 | nvz | abrotman: sure does. and there is always the pedometer |
| 14:17.59 | md5sum | hehe |
| 14:18.03 | abrotman | md5sum: ah .. about 70-80 inland |
| 14:18.18 | md5sum | yeah that makes more sense :) |
| 14:18.20 | Mardus | nvz: The pedometer? |
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| 14:18.31 | nvz | Mardus: thats what I said |
| 14:18.40 | Mardus | nvz: What's a pedometer? |
| 14:18.57 | nvz | wtf, did I yinzer something again or are you just stupid :P |
| 14:18.57 | nvz | wtf, did I yinzer something again or are you just stupid :P |
| 14:19.08 | dobby_ | when I have an old smbpasswd file, can i copy this file to an other computer with an other samba version? Would that work for login? |
| 14:19.10 | sussudio | Mardus: amount of michaeljacksonness |
| 14:19.13 | abrotman | !dict pedometer |
| 14:19.14 | dpkg | could not find definition for pedometer |
| 14:19.20 | abrotman | fuckign stupid bot |
| 14:19.24 | md5sum | abrotman: and about half of our county is on a *slight* plateau, so the drain-off from floods is quick (if there's any flooding at all, which is usually not the case) |
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| 14:19.35 | md5sum | abrotman: I will be holding my shotgun when you come to my door lol |
| 14:19.35 | md5sum | abrotman: I will be holding my shotgun when you come to my door lol |
| 14:19.41 | Mardus | sussudio: LOL, ok. |
| 14:19.49 | abrotman | md5sum: i'm a nice normal guy .. and i love Hurricanes! |
| 14:19.59 | md5sum | hehehe |
| 14:19.59 | md5sum | cool |
| 14:20.00 | md5sum | cool |
| 14:20.05 | Mardus | abrotman: ...when they don't strike you |
| 14:20.13 | Guerin | dpkg, pedometer is (1) a device for measuring how attracted to children a person is; (2) a device for measuring distance by footsteps |
| 14:20.14 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 14:20.14 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 14:20.22 | nvz | heh |
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| 14:20.25 | abrotman | Mardus: i've been at see in a squall .. doesn't really bother me |
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| 14:20.45 | md5sum | abrotman: It still amazes me when I look at the maps how many damn lakes are in this city... the county's slogan is "Land of 550 Lakes" or something |
| 14:20.46 | md5sum | abrotman: It still amazes me when I look at the maps how many damn lakes are in this city... the county's slogan is "Land of 550 Lakes" or something |
| 14:20.46 | nvz | I doubt there is a (1) |
| 14:20.46 | nvz | I doubt there is a (1) |
| 14:20.47 | Mardus | abrotman: Well, ok. |
| 14:20.51 | nvz | thats just silly |
| 14:20.56 | nvz | but its funny |
| 14:20.59 | abrotman | md5sum: it's called wetlands :) |
| 14:21.12 | md5sum | heh |
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| 14:21.18 | kryl | Hi, What is the best kernel to use with an apache/bind/mysql server ? I use a bi proc, scsi and sarge version. |
| 14:21.21 | Mardus | md5sum: Estonia has roughly 1000 lakes and Finland has, I think, ten times more that. Maybe tarzeau knows better about Finland. |
| 14:21.27 | DarkAdmiral | any one here using cvoicecontrol? |
| 14:21.29 | abrotman | kryl: the one that works .. |
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| 14:21.38 | nvz | oh well I better go to bed before I am up all day anyhow procrastinating |
| 14:21.38 | nvz | oh well I better go to bed before I am up all day anyhow procrastinating |
| 14:21.48 | Mardus | nvz: Mhmh, sweet dreams. |
| 14:22.03 | md5sum | I just heard something recently about Finland, now I can't remember what it was... something about disease rate or some national statistic that I thought was strange |
| 14:22.19 | nvz | md5sum: its cold, and far away? |
| 14:22.19 | nvz | md5sum: its cold, and far away? |
| 14:22.30 | DarkAdmiral | not far away |
| 14:22.42 | DarkAdmiral | :D |
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| 14:22.52 | nvz | its a fair distance from da burg. I sure cant get there on foot |
| 14:22.52 | nvz | its a fair distance from da burg. I sure cant get there on foot |
| 14:22.57 | kryl | abrotman, what does that means ? |
| 14:23.01 | Mardus | md5sum: Maybe that the disease rate per capita is very low or something. |
| 14:23.01 | xelam | OK, why does debhelper "kick" people from here? |
| 14:23.11 | widrone | md5sum: It is a strange place even if your scandinavian. But really friendly with loads of saunas (and naked people) |
| 14:23.22 | nvz | xelam: because they are fucking annoying and thats what an eggdrop bot does |
| 14:23.29 | abrotman | kryl: what kind of CPUs ? |
| 14:23.33 | kryl | I'm wondering between 2.4.X and 2.6.X |
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| 14:23.40 | abrotman | kryl: what kind of CPUs ? |
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| 14:23.40 | abrotman | kryl: what kind of CPUs ? |
| 14:23.44 | kryl | all both of them are working well |
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| 14:23.52 | nvz | xelam: it watches over a channel and performs maint. |
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| 14:24.08 | nvz | xelam: adjusting channel modes, kicking flooders |
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| 14:24.15 | kryl | there are many couple of processors here, amd essentialy |
| 14:24.16 | kryl | there are many couple of processors here, amd essentialy |
| 14:24.21 | xelam | hmm |
| 14:24.37 | abrotman | i'd probably use 2.6 SMP kernels if oyu have more than one CPU |
| 14:24.37 | abrotman | i'd probably use 2.6 SMP kernels if oyu have more than one CPU |
| 14:25.22 | kryl | 2.4 SMP work wells |
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| 14:25.27 | asg | 2.4.31 smp with grsecurity patches |
| 14:25.31 | bfrost | Hi, anyone expert on drupal - mysql_connect() |
| 14:25.34 | kryl | but perhaps there is true reasons to use a 2.6.X one |
| 14:25.37 | kryl | that's my question |
| 14:25.37 | kryl | that's my question |
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| 14:25.45 | Mardus | abrotman: If the kernel really does have a bad checksum, then I understand that the kernel must be updated? |
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| 14:25.59 | abrotman | kryl: then use the one that works .. it's not hard .. it's the one that works the best .. and you can perform benchmarks to see |
| 14:26.00 | md5sum | !poll |
| 14:26.00 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 14:26.00 | md5sum | !poll |
| 14:26.00 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 14:26.06 | asg | bfrost: apt-get install php4-mysql, make sure /etc/php4/apache[2]/php.ini contains extentsion=mysql.so |
| 14:26.08 | sussudio | :-| |
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| 14:26.24 | abrotman | kryl: 2.6 has better SMP code .. but some people say it lacks stability .. so do your own testing .. we don't ahve your hardware .. and can't test for you |
| 14:26.40 | kryl | ok |
| 14:26.44 | abrotman | Mardus: it was a UDP packet |
| 14:26.54 | kryl | thanks |
| 14:26.56 | antgel_ | big problem - server with raid-5 on /, all was working great, shutdown, restart, and now hangs at INIT: version 2.86 booting... have tried init=/bin/sh, same behaviour. i can try knoppix etc, but wtf am i actually looking for here? |
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| 14:27.14 | datallah | Anyone have an idea why a kernel module would be "linked-in" if it appears in the config file as a module ('m') ? |
| 14:27.17 | Mardus | abrotman: I don't understand then -- was it an attack attempt then? |
| 14:27.18 | Mardus | abrotman: I don't understand then -- was it an attack attempt then? |
| 14:27.20 | antgel_ | have also tried the rescue entry in grub, no dice |
| 14:27.29 | abrotman | Mardus: yes .. the mafia wants your porn |
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| 14:27.50 | tombs | hi all |
| 14:27.50 | tombs | hi all |
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| 14:28.05 | abrotman | antgel_: you could try a rescue disk .. see if it can mount your raid5 volume |
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| 14:28.14 | abrotman | antgel_: did one of the drives go offline ? |
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| 14:28.16 | bfrost | Yes, it does. Problem with mysql client auth protocol - database.mysql.inc line 31. Another solution? |
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| 14:28.39 | xelam | nvz: why does it make people /part instead of using /kick? |
| 14:28.42 | Mardus | abrotman: Yes seriously or your "because the mafia wants your porn" part is supposed to make me not believe your "Yes."? |
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| 14:29.05 | abrotman | Mardus: it could have been .. that was why i said to try to capture a packet .. |
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| 14:29.16 | Mardus | abrotman: Okay, how to capture a packet? |
| 14:29.18 | antgel_ | abrotman: am d'loading knoppix now. went straight here this morning, couldn't pick up knoppix from the office. drives all plugged in afaics. initrd reports all three gathered into /dev/md1, as it should be. |
| 14:29.18 | antgel_ | abrotman: am d'loading knoppix now. went straight here this morning, couldn't pick up knoppix from the office. drives all plugged in afaics. initrd reports all three gathered into /dev/md1, as it should be. |
| 14:29.31 | abrotman | antgel_: ew .. sw raid ? |
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| 14:30.27 | antgel_ | abrotman: *nod* what of it? |
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| 14:30.39 | abrotman | antgel_: i'm not a believer in sw raid |
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| 14:30.47 | antgel_ | abrotman: i'm gonna come and get you with a lettuce |
| 14:31.04 | abrotman | antgel_: what kind of lettuce? |
| 14:31.09 | antgel_ | abrotman: ICEBERG! |
| 14:31.11 | abrotman | lettuce get some beer? |
| 14:31.12 | abrotman | lettuce get some beer? |
| 14:31.46 | Mardus | If I want to update the kernel, which package I have to download/install with Synaptic? |
| 14:31.57 | Mardus | Or through apt-get? |
| 14:32.03 | abrotman | Mardus: but you need to make sure they're not hacking you first!!! |
| 14:32.22 | antgel_ | abrotman: s/w raid always been good for us. it's almost like a psu issue - that it doesn't have the juice for all three disks, but then again it booted up before. |
| 14:32.29 | Mardus | abrotman: But you didn't tell me how to capture a packet. |
| 14:32.37 | abrotman | Mardus: google is good :) |
| 14:32.38 | stew | Mardus: what version of debian? what does "uname -r" say? what cpu do you have? |
| 14:32.51 | xelam | hmm, why does debian default to having world-readable home directories? |
| 14:32.51 | xelam | hmm, why does debian default to having world-readable home directories? |
| 14:32.52 | Mardus | abrotman: Ah, yes, google. |
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| 14:33.10 | antgel_ | xelam: you get the choice upon install |
| 14:33.11 | abrotman | antgel_: but that should be an easy issue to see .. |
| 14:33.13 | stew | xelam: it doesn't, it asks you when you install adduser |
| 14:33.19 | stew | xelam: dpkg-reconfigure adduser |
| 14:33.24 | antgel_ | abrotman: if i had a FUCKING PSU here |
| 14:33.28 | xelam | you get the choice yes, but the default answer is Yes |
| 14:33.41 | Mardus | stew: Debian woody, with some updated packages from stable. 2.4.18-bf2.4 (pretty old for a 2.4, I think) CPU: Pentium 120 |
| 14:33.43 | abrotman | antgel_: i meant .. you can't see the drives spinning up ? |
| 14:33.51 | stew | !bf24 |
| 14:33.51 | dpkg | it has been said that bf2.4 is boot floppies with a 2.4.x kernel. Read the install guide (ask me about "install guide"). Press F3 when the woody CD is at the boot: prompt for a list of images. |
| 14:33.51 | stew | !bf24 |
| 14:33.51 | dpkg | it has been said that bf2.4 is boot floppies with a 2.4.x kernel. Read the install guide (ask me about "install guide"). Press F3 when the woody CD is at the boot: prompt for a list of images. |
| 14:33.51 | abrotman | and i don't mean "see" :) |
| 14:34.01 | Guerin | Mardus: you are moron #4 |
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| 14:34.11 | abrotman | !real kernel |
| 14:34.12 | dpkg | i guess real kernel is The Debian install kernels are meant for just that: installing. If you want things like wide module support and netfilter, install a proper kernel. 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386' will see you through, if you have no idea. First though, do apt-cache search kernel-image- . Woody install kernels have several known vulnerabilities, including local roots & remote DoSes |
| 14:34.12 | abrotman | !real kernel |
| 14:34.12 | dpkg | i guess real kernel is The Debian install kernels are meant for just that: installing. If you want things like wide module support and netfilter, install a proper kernel. 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386' will see you through, if you have no idea. First though, do apt-cache search kernel-image- . Woody install kernels have several known vulnerabilities, including local roots & remote DoSes |
| 14:34.13 | stew | Mardus: you were supposed to replace the bf24 at the end of the install, its only an install kernel |
| 14:34.22 | antgel_ | abrotman: they look fine in the bios and when the initrd boots, reports all three present and correct. under load however, might be a different story |
| 14:34.34 | Mardus | Guerin: Just a beginner. |
| 14:34.34 | stew | Mardus: apt-get install kernel-image-2.4-386 ; pay attention when it talks about initrd |
| 14:34.42 | abrotman | antgel_: drive spins .. head doesn't move .. eww! |
| 14:34.53 | antgel_ | abrotman: at least that's what my zero knowledge of electrics tells me |
| 14:34.53 | Guerin | Mardus: how can you be a beginner if you're still running woody? |
| 14:34.53 | antgel_ | abrotman: at least that's what my zero knowledge of electrics tells me |
| 14:34.53 | Guerin | Mardus: how can you be a beginner if you're still running woody? |
| 14:34.56 | stew | Mardus: but all you are going to get is a newer 2.4.18, if you want newer than that you need to compile it yourself, /msg dpkg kp |
| 14:34.58 | timgoh0 | abrotman: Suddenly, you remind me of the WD40 incident. |
| 14:35.11 | abrotman | timgoh0: your head and wd40 ? ... i'm not sure i want to konw |
| 14:35.23 | stew | Mardus: you should really consider updating to sarge, the current stable release |
| 14:35.34 | Mardus | stew: No-one told me about replacing kernels. |
| 14:35.38 | timgoh0 | abrotman: Drive spindle motors. Someone opened a HDD up and WD40'd it. |
| 14:35.50 | Guerin | Mardus: and you only do things people tell you? That's good to know. |
| 14:35.54 | stew | Mardus: the install manual would have, if you had read it |
| 14:35.54 | abrotman | timgoh0: sounds about boss-like |
| 14:35.55 | abrotman | timgoh0: sounds about boss-like |
| 14:36.07 | Mardus | Guerin: Because I didn't want to upgrade to sarge. |
| 14:36.08 | Mardus | Guerin: Because I didn't want to upgrade to sarge. |
| 14:36.14 | timgoh0 | abrotman: He insisted, "I'm an ENGINEER! I know what I'm doing." |
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| 14:36.19 | Guerin | Mardus: because nobody told you to? |
| 14:36.30 | stew | oh, iirc he has some old s3 card that only works in x 3.3 or something |
| 14:36.36 | Guerin | oh, wtf |
| 14:36.50 | abrotman | timgoh0: as long as the .. erm .. magnetics aren't hosed .. it's concievable it oculd work long enough to get data off .. but i wouldn't do it :) |
| 14:36.58 | abrotman | !s3 |
| 14:36.58 | dpkg | Tried, tested, and reliable cards.</sarcasm>, or <abrotman> the cards suck ..bad .. like waking up next to your mother after a hard night of drinking <pipeline> I disagree. ... It's more like coming-to ON TOP of your mother. |
| 14:36.58 | abrotman | !s3 |
| 14:36.59 | dpkg | Tried, tested, and reliable cards.</sarcasm>, or <abrotman> the cards suck ..bad .. like waking up next to your mother after a hard night of drinking <pipeline> I disagree. ... It's more like coming-to ON TOP of your mother. |
| 14:37.02 | Mardus | Guerin: That's not the point of doing things people tell me to do. |
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| 14:37.05 | antgel_ | abrotman: i've tried booting with one different drive unplugged, three times. no dice |
| 14:37.08 | faboski | ou reDFog |
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| 14:37.20 | reDFog | dichime fabienZ_ |
| 14:37.25 | Mardus | timgoh0: I did not insist. |
| 14:37.25 | Mardus | timgoh0: I did not insist. |
| 14:37.25 | reDFog | ops |
| 14:37.27 | abrotman | antgel_: any old kernels? |
| 14:37.32 | timgoh0 | abrotman: He took the thing apart. And sprayed WD40 onto the spindle motors and the platters. You think? |
| 14:37.32 | abrotman | !it |
| 14:37.33 | abrotman | !it |
| 14:37.33 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 14:37.43 | syntaxx | how to uninstall custom kernel? |
| 14:37.44 | reDFog | dichime faboski |
| 14:37.45 | faboski | LOL |
| 14:37.45 | faboski | LOL |
| 14:37.46 | abrotman | timgoh0: well .. magnetically .. could be ok .. |
| 14:37.50 | antgel_ | abrotman: just a sarge default 2.6.8. i'm not enjoying this |
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| 14:37.57 | abrotman | timgoh0: doubt it would work correctly |
| 14:38.00 | bfrost | Adios. I've got the answer now. Thanks anyway. :-D |
| 14:38.00 | bfrost | Adios. I've got the answer now. Thanks anyway. :-D |
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| 14:38.20 | abrotman | antgel_: no kidding .. knoppix done yet? |
| 14:38.23 | asg | syntaxx: install a non-broken one, configure your bootloader to use it, delete old kernel, /boot related cruft, and /lib/modules/<kernel you just deleted> |
| 14:38.30 | reDFog | ma che cazzo ne so |
| 14:38.36 | faboski | va bhe.. |
| 14:38.36 | faboski | va bhe.. |
| 14:38.50 | antgel_ | abrotman: no, fucking shit bandwidth here. i'm tempted to come back in the morning. haven't even had lunch yet |
| 14:39.03 | faboski | dobbiamo lavorare su netmasuki |
| 14:39.07 | abrotman | antgel_: couldn't you drive home and get your knoppix/feather/ubuntu CD faster? |
| 14:39.14 | faboski | tu hai intensione di provarlo? |
| 14:39.16 | syntaxx | asg: does it affect on my stock kernel if i didnt remove it? |
| 14:39.16 | syntaxx | asg: does it affect on my stock kernel if i didnt remove it? |
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| 14:39.22 | abrotman | faboski: reDFog: go to #debian-it ... |
| 14:39.24 | reDFog | ma cosa? |
| 14:39.29 | asg | syntaxx: no, just don't delete the wrong bits |
| 14:39.29 | abrotman | !it |
| 14:39.30 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 14:39.30 | abrotman | !it |
| 14:39.30 | reDFog | haaa |
| 14:39.30 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 14:39.30 | reDFog | haaa |
| 14:39.32 | reDFog | ok |
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| 14:39.48 | syntaxx | asg: thanks a lot |
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| 14:40.06 | antgel_ | abrotman: i reckon. but i'm not going to. i need to do something today that will _make_ me money (this is a contract customer) |
| 14:40.09 | Mardus | stew, Guerin: The point is that no-one told me to watch out for this. |
| 14:40.17 | abrotman | antgel_: doh .. fuck .. |
| 14:40.24 | Mardus | stew, Guerin: ...or adviced, for that matter... |
| 14:40.28 | Mardus | * advised |
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| 14:40.37 | antgel_ | later all |
| 14:40.37 | Guerin | Mardus: and again: you only watch out for things people tell you to? How are you still alive? |
| 14:40.38 | antgel_ | later all |
| 14:40.38 | Guerin | Mardus: and again: you only watch out for things people tell you to? How are you still alive? |
| 14:41.16 | Mardus | Guerin: I watch out for things myself, too. The point is that this is a new situation to me and I wasn't told in advance about it. |
| 14:41.25 | Mardus | Guerin: Which is why I am here anyway. |
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| 14:42.46 | Mardus | Right... Is snort any good? |
| 14:43.01 | asg | Mardus: if configured correctly, yes |
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| 14:45.27 | Mardus | stew: I can download kernel-image-2.4.27. Should that do to update the kernel? |
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| 14:48.07 | Guerin | Mardus: you're mixing sarge and woody. I suggest you pick one. |
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| 14:49.46 | Mardus | Guerin: Since long ago, woody repositories are no more. After that, I got updates from stable, and a huge update, when I updated Synaptic. Now most software that I can get from repositories is from current stable and not woody, |
| 14:49.46 | Mardus | Guerin: Since long ago, woody repositories are no more. After that, I got updates from stable, and a huge update, when I updated Synaptic. Now most software that I can get from repositories is from current stable and not woody, |
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| 14:50.09 | Mardus | Guerin: Does that qualify as sarge to you? |
| 14:50.18 | Guerin | Mardus: where have the woody repos gone? did badgers eat them? last I checked they were still there. |
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| 14:50.37 | abrotman | Mardus: oldstable |
| 14:50.41 | abrotman | and woody |
| 14:50.41 | abrotman | and woody |
| 14:50.41 | Guerin | Mardus: no, it qualifies as woody, with some bits of sarge, liable to break at any moment. |
| 14:50.41 | Guerin | Mardus: no, it qualifies as woody, with some bits of sarge, liable to break at any moment. |
| 14:50.42 | abrotman | they both exist |
| 14:50.53 | Mardus | Guerin: hasn't broken so far. |
| 14:50.54 | Mardus | Guerin: hasn't broken so far. |
| 14:51.11 | Mardus | Guerin: I use a local source, which does not have woody repositories anymore. |
| 14:51.16 | Guerin | Mardus: haven't crashed my car while drunk yet. |
| 14:51.16 | Guerin | Mardus: haven't crashed my car while drunk yet. |
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| 14:51.25 | Guerin | not even once! |
| 14:51.26 | Mardus | Guerin: I don't have a car. |
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| 14:51.44 | Guerin | Mardus: neither do I, any more. |
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| 14:51.44 | Guerin | Mardus: neither do I, any more. |
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| 14:51.50 | Guerin | (crashed it while sober :) |
| 14:52.25 | Mardus | But anything I have updated through synaptic so far hasn't broken. |
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| 14:52.50 | Guerin | Mardus: again: haven't died of a drug overdose yet ... might as well keep going. |
| 14:53.12 | lifeform | how do I make installed apps automatically appear in gnome menus? |
| 14:53.13 | Mardus | Guerin: I get your point. |
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| 14:54.42 | abrotman | lifeform: did you install menu ? |
| 14:54.54 | fireba11 | Guerin: *g* |
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| 14:55.13 | abrotman | mrj: are you lost? |
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| 14:55.30 | lifeform | abrotman: install menu? I mean the "Applications" menu like the windows start button |
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| 14:55.39 | abrotman | lifeform: i know what you meant .. |
| 14:55.40 | mrj | abrotman, huh? |
| 14:55.44 | abrotman | lifeform: did you install the menu package |
| 14:55.50 | abrotman | mrj: /whois mrj :) |
| 14:56.02 | lifeform | abrotman: oh I did not know thatre was a package named menu |
| 14:56.07 | abrotman | !menu |
| 14:56.07 | dpkg | menu is probably the cool Debian program that handles adding items to your windowmanager/desktop environment's menus when you install new packages (ie, install gimp, a new 'gimp' item is added to all of your window managers), or to add new entries less /etc/menu/README or ask me about menu-methods |
| 14:56.07 | abrotman | !menu |
| 14:56.07 | dpkg | menu is probably the cool Debian program that handles adding items to your windowmanager/desktop environment's menus when you install new packages (ie, install gimp, a new 'gimp' item is added to all of your window managers), or to add new entries less /etc/menu/README or ask me about menu-methods |
| 14:56.23 | abrotman | lifeform: and are you on etch/testing or sid/unstable ? |
| 14:56.34 | lifeform | abrotman: sid |
| 14:56.37 | Guerin | mrj: abrotman is our resident comedian. |
| 14:56.42 | mrj | heh |
| 14:56.54 | Guerin | mrj: he's working up to a public release .... any day now. |
| 14:56.59 | abrotman | hehe |
| 14:56.59 | lifeform | abrotman: I have gnome-menus installed. Did you mean just plain menu? |
| 14:56.59 | lifeform | abrotman: I have gnome-menus installed. Did you mean just plain menu? |
| 14:57.09 | abrotman | lifeform: and you're running xorg ? |
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| 14:57.29 | abrotman | lifeform: apt-get install menu menu-xdg |
| 14:57.44 | abrotman | Guerin: you think i'm funny? |
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| 14:57.44 | abrotman | Guerin: you think i'm funny? |
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| 14:57.49 | lifeform | abrotman: running cfree86 |
| 14:57.54 | lifeform | abrotman: running xfree86 |
| 14:57.57 | abrotman | lifeform: really .. ignore menu-xdg then |
| 14:57.58 | Guerin | abrotman: i know perfectly well you're not funny. |
| 14:58.08 | Guerin | abrotman: that appears not to matter in the real world. |
| 14:58.13 | abrotman | Guerin: oh .. then i won't be performing in your hometown |
| 14:58.14 | lifeform | abrotman: ok just menu will do? |
| 14:58.24 | abrotman | lifeform: yes .. though it should already be installed |
| 14:58.38 | Guerin | abrotman: i'm shocked and awed. |
| 14:58.43 | lifeform | abrotman: it is |
| 14:58.58 | abrotman | lifeform: try running update-menus |
| 14:58.59 | lifeform | abrotman: but my menus are all screwed up and some installed progs dont appear on the menu |
| 14:58.59 | lifeform | abrotman: but my menus are all screwed up and some installed progs dont appear on the menu |
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| 14:59.12 | abrotman | lifeform: maybe they're all transitioning to xorg stuffs? |
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| 14:59.20 | Readon | it is reported that 'probable hardware bug: clock timer configuration lost - probably a VIA686a' in debian, what can i do? |
| 14:59.20 | Readon | it is reported that 'probable hardware bug: clock timer configuration lost - probably a VIA686a' in debian, what can i do? |
| 14:59.37 | lifeform | abrotman: so menu is a standard debian way of handling menus? |
| 14:59.41 | abrotman | lifeform: yes |
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| 15:00.40 | anyaa | is there the MAX_CONNECTIONS limits in samba3 as it was in samba2.2 ? |
| 15:01.14 | lifeform | abrotman: thanks for the pointer. Looks like it has some docs. Let me check it out |
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| 15:02.06 | Mardus | stew: Why do I have to pay attention when "it talks about initrd" when installing kernel-image-2.4-386 (specifically, kernel-image-2.4.18-386 (2.4.18-5)? |
| 15:03.30 | Mardus | I can't wait for your answer, I need to switch to console. |
| 15:03.38 | stew | becuase bf2.4 doen't have an initrd, 2.4.18-5 does |
| 15:03.38 | stew | ok |
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| 15:04.11 | junir | after just puttin in a new SATA drive how do I find out which device it is so I can set-it to mount auto in fstab |
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| 15:04.50 | petemc | junir: dmesg, /proc/partitions |
| 15:05.05 | Wanderer | hmm, tor gets speed improvements |
| 15:05.15 | Wanderer | and it's still slow as hell |
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| 15:06.18 | junir | ive checked /proc/partions what do I need dmesg for>? |
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| 15:06.38 | roler | how do I make a package not run on startup? I use mysql/apache once in a while on my desktop computer, but not all the time... |
| 15:06.44 | petemc | junir: you could use one, or the other |
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| 15:06.54 | azeem | roler: see update-rc.d |
| 15:06.55 | stew | roler: use update-rc.d or rcconf |
| 15:06.55 | junir | also, in /proc/partitons what do the dm entries stand for |
| 15:06.55 | stew | roler: use update-rc.d or rcconf |
| 15:06.55 | junir | also, in /proc/partitons what do the dm entries stand for |
| 15:06.55 | syntaxx | is there a way that i could check my shutdown notices? |
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| 15:07.27 | roler | thanks |
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| 15:08.55 | junir | in fstab it says sdc1 is /, however, in /proc/partitions there is no entry for sdc1 |
| 15:09.06 | junir | im confused |
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| 15:10.11 | cappiz | how can i list all modules loaded? |
| 15:10.19 | azeem | lsmod |
| 15:10.41 | cappiz | thanks :) |
| 15:10.57 | Mardus | I'm about to install a new kernel image. |
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| 15:11.32 | Mardus | apt says that I need to configure the bootloader, which is on a floppy and which is LILO. |
| 15:11.32 | Mardus | apt says that I need to configure the bootloader, which is on a floppy and which is LILO. |
| 15:11.35 | apt | Mardus: I think you lost me on that one |
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| 15:11.35 | apt | Mardus: I think you lost me on that one |
| 15:11.47 | Mardus | apt: Sorry. Are you a bot? |
| 15:11.47 | Mardus | apt: Sorry. Are you a bot? |
| 15:11.50 | apt | okay, Mardus |
| 15:11.56 | Mardus | Right, a bot. |
| 15:11.57 | sussudio | ... |
| 15:11.57 | sussudio | ... |
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| 15:12.07 | Mardus | That is, apt-get. |
| 15:12.17 | sussudio | ~listauth Mardus |
| 15:12.18 | jbot | factoid author list by 'Mardus' (1): sorry.. |
| 15:12.19 | jbot | factoid author list by 'Mardus' (1): sorry.. |
| 15:12.27 | sussudio | who the hell is jbot |
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| 15:12.47 | syntaxx | is there a way that i could check my shutdown notices? |
| 15:13.03 | sussudio | ~forget sorry |
| 15:13.03 | jbot | sussudio: i forgot sorry |
| 15:13.04 | jbot | sussudio: i forgot sorry |
| 15:13.12 | asg | syntaxx: last reboot |
| 15:13.13 | asg | syntaxx: last reboot |
| 15:13.18 | syntaxx | asg, yeah |
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| 15:13.27 | stew | Mardus: bf2.4 didn't have an inird, the kernel you are installing does, if you don't add an initrd entry to the stanza for the new kernel, you won't be able to boot the new kernel |
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| 15:13.50 | asg | syntaxx: type 'last reboot' |
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| 15:14.12 | Mardus | stew: I think this is what that apt-get message is telling me. |
| 15:14.12 | Mardus | stew: I think this is what that apt-get message is telling me. |
| 15:14.27 | stew | Mardus: right, which is why i told you to pay attention when it told you... |
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| 15:14.35 | Mardus | stew: <LOL> |
| 15:14.57 | stew | yeah, it's hilarious |
| 15:14.57 | stew | yeah, it's hilarious |
| 15:14.58 | abrotman | is OpenOffice2.0 packaged for sarge yet? |
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| 15:15.05 | asg | abrotman: hahaha |
| 15:15.07 | syntaxx | asg, then? how can i check it says reboot system boot 2.6.8-2-386 thurs oct 20 |
| 15:15.07 | syntaxx | asg, then? how can i check it says reboot system boot 2.6.8-2-386 thurs oct 20 |
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| 15:15.14 | sussudio | ~test |
| 15:15.16 | jbot | Oh, no! There's a test and I haven't studied! |
| 15:15.17 | jbot | Oh, no! There's a test and I haven't studied! |
| 15:15.24 | sussudio | can someone kill jbot? |
| 15:15.26 | asg | syntaxx: erm, what 'message' are you looking for? |
| 15:15.27 | stew | !owner |
| 15:15.27 | dpkg | dondelelcaro owns me |
| 15:15.27 | stew | !owner |
| 15:15.27 | dpkg | dondelelcaro owns me |
| 15:15.30 | stew | ~owner |
| 15:15.31 | jbot | TimRiker is my owner |
| 15:15.31 | abrotman | sussudio: it's tim's bot |
| 15:15.31 | abrotman | sussudio: it's tim's bot |
| 15:15.32 | jbot | TimRiker is my owner |
| 15:15.35 | abrotman | jbot: who owns you |
| 15:15.36 | jbot | TimRiker does |
| 15:15.36 | abrotman | jbot: who owns you |
| 15:15.37 | jbot | TimRiker does |
| 15:15.37 | sussudio | abrotman: there's 2 of them. |
| 15:15.45 | abrotman | sussudio: i think jbot and apt are the same .. nto sure |
| 15:15.51 | abrotman | ApT who owns you |
| 15:15.52 | abrotman | ApT who owns you |
| 15:15.53 | apt | TimRiker does |
| 15:15.54 | apt | TimRiker does |
| 15:15.54 | sussudio | abrotman: they both respond. |
| 15:16.06 | abrotman | jbot: sarge |
| 15:16.07 | jbot | rumour has it, sarge is Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>, or i guess sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released in one time... read the release notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 15:16.07 | abrotman | jbot: sarge |
| 15:16.07 | jbot | rumour has it, sarge is Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>, or i guess sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released in one time... read the release notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 15:16.15 | abrotman | sussudio: same bot .. different names ?> |
| 15:16.25 | sussudio | !stab jbot |
| 15:16.30 | Mardus | stew: Okay then, I'll add the initrd stanza. I have little clue as to what else I have to do. -- configure LILO? |
| 15:16.30 | Mardus | stew: Okay then, I'll add the initrd stanza. I have little clue as to what else I have to do. -- configure LILO? |
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| 15:16.37 | syntaxx | asg, the last part in my shutdown notices i think usekeycode no idea.. too bad cant read its too fast |
| 15:16.43 | row | whats the xshell where you can make the background of the shell to clear, so you can see desktop background? |
| 15:16.43 | asg | syntaxx: oh, dmesg |
| 15:16.50 | stew | Mardus: if you edit lilo.conf you have to rerun /sbin/lilo |
| 15:17.09 | Mardus | stew: LILO starts from a diskette. |
| 15:17.53 | syntaxx | asg, dmesg shows the shutdown? |
| 15:17.55 | Mardus | stew: ...In a machine that I use... |
| 15:18.37 | stew | Mardus: if you change lilo.conf, you need to reload lilo into the boot sector of whatver disk you are going to boot from if you want your lilo.conf changes to take effect |
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| 15:19.03 | stew | does an initrd even fit on a floppy? |
| 15:19.12 | asg | syntaxx: no, nothing logs the shutdown afaik. There maybe something in /var/log/syslog but only if it happened before /var/log/syslog was shutdown. |
| 15:19.43 | stew | Mardus: i don't think you can boot a debian kernel from a floppy |
| 15:19.44 | stew | Mardus: i don't think you can boot a debian kernel from a floppy |
| 15:19.48 | stew | Mardus: a non install kenrel that is |
| 15:19.48 | stew | Mardus: a non install kenrel that is |
| 15:19.58 | stew | Mardus: you'd have to build one yourself |
| 15:19.59 | stew | Mardus: you'd have to build one yourself |
| 15:19.59 | syntaxx | asg, ic maybe i need to read it fast |
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| 15:20.20 | asg | syntaxx: or log it via serial console (read non-trivial in many cases) |
| 15:20.58 | cappiz | i get this when i try to use my webcam : i get this : Oct 20 17:06:06 mainframe hpiod: unable to ParDevice::Open hp:/par/ANY?device=/dev/parport3: No such file or directory: io/hpiod/ppdevice.cpp 827 |
| 15:21.00 | syntaxx | ok thanks |
| 15:21.01 | syntaxx | ok thanks |
| 15:21.01 | cappiz | what is that? |
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| 15:21.14 | Mardus | stew: AFAIK, I can edit lilo.conf on a floppy, problem is -- I don't have anything in curren't HDD's master boot sector (I've had horrible experiences there). The only kernel I could boot was that SYSLINUX kernel; getting that into memory from a floppy took 5 minutes. |
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| 15:21.44 | stew | Mardus: the kernel that you got via apt-get is too big to fit on a floppy |
| 15:21.44 | stew | Mardus: the kernel that you got via apt-get is too big to fit on a floppy |
| 15:22.04 | Mardus | stew: Then I used some other tool, which replaced that emergency bootup kernel with LILO, which then seems to load something into memory (after the LILO message) and then starts up the machine. |
| 15:22.12 | Mardus | stew: Yea, 8Mb. |
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| 15:22.50 | Deimos | greetings guys, is there perchance any known issues with testing version of php? perhaps related to php itself refusing to parse any php scripts? |
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| 15:22.51 | Deimos | greetings guys, is there perchance any known issues with testing version of php? perhaps related to php itself refusing to parse any php scripts? |
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| 15:23.08 | stew | Mardus: is your video card and xfree 3.3 the reason you are still on woody? |
| 15:23.12 | WiFiTux | How can I start a new X server display in ctrl+alt+f8? like in another tty |
| 15:23.30 | stew | Deimos: /msg dpkg bts ; what do you mean by refuse? |
| 15:23.35 | asg | Deimos: what did you install |
| 15:24.10 | asg | or browser cache |
| 15:24.11 | asg | or browser cache |
| 15:24.14 | Deimos | asg: php4 depends upon libapache-mod-php4, and its actually an recent upgrade |
| 15:24.41 | Deimos | the addtype line exists, the module is loaded, apache reports the correct version of php in its http headers |
| 15:24.48 | asg | Deimos: or php4-cgi |
| 15:24.48 | asg | Deimos: or php4-cgi |
| 15:24.50 | Mardus | stew: So I am at a loss as to what should I do. I am thinking of installing the new kernel, but the computer still starts up from the floppy and the hard drive's master boot record doesn't seem to have anything, which means that I'd have to put LILO there. |
| 15:24.50 | Mardus | stew: So I am at a loss as to what should I do. I am thinking of installing the new kernel, but the computer still starts up from the floppy and the hard drive's master boot record doesn't seem to have anything, which means that I'd have to put LILO there. |
| 15:24.59 | asg | Deimos: clear your browser cache then |
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| 15:25.11 | Deimos | tried that too, heh |
| 15:25.30 | Deimos | actually tried all my browsers, and I even built the request by hand, its definitly sending me php source code still |
| 15:25.51 | stew | Mardus: if you can only boot from a floppy and you want a newer kernel then build one yourself that will fit on a floppy |
| 15:25.59 | asg | Deimos: and the module is configured in /etc/apache/modules.conf? |
| 15:26.18 | Deimos | asg: correct |
| 15:26.22 | stew | Mardus: what is the problem with using the mbr on the hard disk? |
| 15:26.38 | asg | Deimos: how odd. You fully restarted apache also I presume. |
| 15:26.40 | Mardus | stew: The point is, the hard disk's mbr doesn't seem to contain anything bootable. |
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| 15:26.56 | stew | Mardus: yeah, why don't you install lilo on the hard disks mbr? |
| 15:26.56 | stew | Mardus: yeah, why don't you install lilo on the hard disks mbr? |
| 15:27.02 | stew | Mardus: or better yet, grub |
| 15:27.07 | Deimos | asg: hehe, many times already =) |
| 15:27.17 | Mardus | stew: I have had very bad experience with grub. |
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| 15:27.24 | asg | Deimos: I figured, just asking for completeness |
| 15:27.38 | Deimos | I even tried purging php4 and allt its dependacys and reinstalling but that didn't have any effect |
| 15:27.51 | asg | Deimos: and this only happened after a recent upgrade? |
| 15:27.56 | Mardus | stew: Particularly, fscking up the hard drive's mbr for not apparent reason (that was around 2000 or 2001 with some odd distro). |
| 15:27.59 | Deimos | yes, it happened last night |
| 15:28.11 | Mardus | stew: * for no apparent reason... |
| 15:28.15 | Deimos | its been running fine on this machine for several years now |
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| 15:28.32 | Deimos | oh, I forgot to meantion, this is the alpha port, not x86 |
| 15:28.35 | stew | Mardus: well, whatever but you might have experienced 5 years ago with grub was probably fixed by now |
| 15:28.48 | stew | Mardus: but who cares, why not install lilo then? |
| 15:28.48 | stew | Mardus: but who cares, why not install lilo then? |
| 15:28.57 | Mardus | stew: Okay... How? |
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| 15:29.05 | asg | Deimos: I'd check the bts on that one or maybe see if #php has some debugging ideas. |
| 15:29.09 | asg | !tell faboski about away |
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| 15:29.23 | Deimos | asg: oh, will do, thanks for your help =) |
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| 15:29.46 | asg | Deimos: you're welcome. If you find out, let us know, we'd be interested in what it was. |
| 15:29.50 | stew | Mardus: by changing the boot= line in the lilo.conf to point to your hard drive |
| 15:29.50 | stew | Mardus: by changing the boot= line in the lilo.conf to point to your hard drive |
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| 15:29.59 | Deimos | s/oh/ok, heh |
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| 15:30.05 | diablilla | o |
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| 15:30.11 | Maquiavelo | Greetings |
| 15:30.13 | Mardus | stew: The lilo.conf of the floppy or the hard drive? |
| 15:30.16 | stew | Mardus: and making sure you have an initrd= line, then rerunning lilo |
| 15:30.18 | diablilla | ola uej |
| 15:30.20 | stew | Mardus: the hard disk |
| 15:30.28 | stew | Mardus: why are you upgrading your kernel in the first place? |
| 15:30.32 | diablilla | españa |
| 15:30.37 | diabla12 | ola |
| 15:30.45 | Maquiavelo | my main hard drive is getting all flacky and sounding weird, I would like to backup my whole Debian Linux on another HD and replace the old with the new, any tools on how to accomplish this? or How-Tos? |
| 15:30.51 | asg | !es |
| 15:30.51 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:30.51 | asg | !es |
| 15:30.52 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:31.05 | diabla12 | im from españa |
| 15:31.18 | diablilla | ola |
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| 15:31.42 | Mardus | stew: Because I have the bootfloppy kernel... |
| 15:32.04 | junir | what would be the best protocol for doing backups with, smb, tar or rsync? |
| 15:32.16 | Mardus | junir: AFAIK, tar is not a protocol. |
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| 15:33.27 | Mardus | stew: So, I have to edit the lilo.conf of the hard drive for boot= to point at the hard drive? |
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| 15:33.59 | antgel_ | abrotman: i had a knoppix cd in my pocket after all. |
| 15:34.06 | sussudio | Mardus: why don't you try man lilo or reading /usr/share/doc/lilo/Manual.txt.gz? |
| 15:34.11 | stew | Mardus: yes |
| 15:34.12 | stew | Mardus: yes |
| 15:34.13 | asg | antgel_: was he glad to see you? |
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| 15:34.24 | junir | oh yeah, sorry im just reading backuppc documentation. You can use tar for local backups |
| 15:34.27 | antgel_ | !drumroll asg |
| 15:34.31 | Mardus | sussudio: I was hoping someone to refer me to man lilo... |
| 15:34.33 | asg | !rimshot |
| 15:34.38 | stew | Mardus: man lilo |
| 15:34.49 | stew | Mardus: what, are you just trolling? |
| 15:35.07 | sussudio | stew: i believe he is |
| 15:35.24 | junir | anyway, samba or rsync? I will not need the checking capabilities of rsync as all files being backed up will be new and will all need to be backed up. |
| 15:35.26 | Mardus | stew: No, I'm not trolling. |
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| 15:35.57 | petemc | junir: tar them up and ssh them somewhere else is simple |
| 15:36.05 | treyh0 | so i found out that if i rename /etc/debian_version to something else and restart gnome-panel, then the Debian Menu in GNOME doesnt show up to confuse the non-technical users |
| 15:36.06 | treyh0 | so i found out that if i rename /etc/debian_version to something else and restart gnome-panel, then the Debian Menu in GNOME doesnt show up to confuse the non-technical users |
| 15:36.20 | treyh0 | but then i am not proud of moving that file /etc/debian_version :( |
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| 15:36.35 | dentifrice | is it normal to wait for ages for an initrd to built during debian insstall, with mkinitrd eating up to 30% cpu power (on an amd sempron)? |
| 15:36.44 | junir | petemc: Well, its more complex than that. I need to be able to browse and restore from a web interface so I definitely will need those capabilities |
| 15:36.53 | junir | of backuppc |
| 15:37.09 | asg | dentifrice: no |
| 15:37.19 | Mardus | Because if I was a troll, I wouldn't have made any effort in trying to understand what you were trying to explain me. |
| 15:37.20 | Mardus | Because if I was a troll, I wouldn't have made any effort in trying to understand what you were trying to explain me. |
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| 15:37.20 | dentifrice | asg: that's what I thought. |
| 15:37.20 | dentifrice | asg: that's what I thought. |
| 15:37.37 | secher | Heyas all. I need to open a port(s) in my firewall, I'm using a standard firewall script with iptables. Can I get a hand figuring out how to do this, or at least get a pointer site/doc that'll help me? |
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| 15:37.41 | asg | dentifrice: making an initrd image should take no more than a couple of seconds or so |
| 15:37.47 | sussudio | !open ports |
| 15:37.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, open ports is netstat -plunt, or lsof -i -n, or (also, see 'open files') |
| 15:37.47 | sussudio | !open ports |
| 15:37.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, open ports is netstat -plunt, or lsof -i -n, or (also, see 'open files') |
| 15:37.47 | antgel_ | have two dodgy things here. 1. EXT3-fs: hdd2: couldn't mount because of unsupported optional features (3d18000). 2. EXT3-fs error (device hdb2): ext3_check_descriptors: Block bitmap for group 1920 not in group (block 0)! |
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| 15:37.51 | dentifrice | is it possible to build an initrd outside of the machine it is intended for? if so, how? (for booting on soft raid 5 + / on lvm2) |
| 15:37.52 | asg | secher: #iptables |
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| 15:38.14 | junir | does anyone have more overhead than the other? room for problems etc. |
| 15:38.18 | Mardus | Imma read about lilo now... |
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| 15:38.36 | petemc | secher: open the ports how? incoming? outgoing? |
| 15:38.36 | asg | dentifrice: it is, you just need the kernel, modules directory and a configured /etc/mkinitrd/* iirc |
| 15:38.36 | petemc | secher: open the ports how? incoming? outgoing? |
| 15:38.37 | asg | dentifrice: it is, you just need the kernel, modules directory and a configured /etc/mkinitrd/* iirc |
| 15:38.40 | secher | asg: Thanks, I'd forgotten there was a channel. |
| 15:38.42 | VNC51898 | any one here know how to confi libapache-mod-limitipconn package of debian ? |
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| 15:38.47 | VNC51898 | config |
| 15:38.47 | VNC51898 | config |
| 15:38.53 | junir | im going to read into them but for now, I just need to select one |
| 15:38.59 | asg | VNC51898: read /usr/share/doc/<pkg>/* first |
| 15:38.59 | jim | junir: I'm in the basement... so I have the most overhead I can get! |
| 15:38.59 | asg | VNC51898: read /usr/share/doc/<pkg>/* first |
| 15:38.59 | jim | junir: I'm in the basement... so I have the most overhead I can get! |
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| 15:39.09 | mpdizon | hello world! |
| 15:39.17 | dentifrice | asg: I guess I also need userspace LVM tools to be included within the initrd? |
| 15:39.19 | jim | a C guy :) |
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| 15:39.40 | mpdizon | any asians here? |
| 15:39.43 | fbi | can i clone my mbr onto a floppy to make a bootable grub floppy for my already existing system? |
| 15:39.50 | asg | dentifrice: I guess, I'm not familiar with lvm though. |
| 15:39.59 | jim | mpdizon: /msg dpkg polls |
| 15:40.03 | Coutal | mpdizon: yes, but i doubt it's what you're looking for |
| 15:40.03 | Coutal | mpdizon: yes, but i doubt it's what you're looking for |
| 15:40.12 | jim | mpdizon: /msg dpkg bad polls |
| 15:40.17 | mpdizon | no |
| 15:40.25 | jim | !polls |
| 15:40.25 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 15:40.25 | jim | !polls |
| 15:40.26 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 15:40.26 | asg | mpdizon: this is an English speaking channel. There are many people here from man countries. Location is irrelevant. |
| 15:40.31 | jim | !bad polls |
| 15:40.31 | dpkg | The reasons we hate polls are because: 1) they are a massive waste of IRC and bandwidth and screen real estate when asked in a 700 person channel. Did you want 700 answers? 2) They're often a prelude to isolating one helper and barraging him or her in /msg. BAD!, or 3) We don't care about Ubuntu, this is #debian |
| 15:40.31 | jim | !bad polls |
| 15:40.31 | dpkg | The reasons we hate polls are because: 1) they are a massive waste of IRC and bandwidth and screen real estate when asked in a 700 person channel. Did you want 700 answers? 2) They're often a prelude to isolating one helper and barraging him or her in /msg. BAD!, or 3) We don't care about Ubuntu, this is #debian |
| 15:40.35 | asg | s/from man/from many/ |
| 15:40.41 | mpdizon | ok sorry guys |
| 15:41.02 | Coutal | mpdizon: if it's a CJK question, i'll probably not be able to help you. but you can try BiDi |
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| 15:41.25 | jim | this is not dating service for any4asian...' |
| 15:41.32 | asg | jim: a/s/l? |
| 15:41.44 | mpdizon | ok sorry |
| 15:41.44 | Coutal | jim: a/s/l? |
| 15:41.44 | mpdizon | ok sorry |
| 15:41.44 | Coutal | jim: a/s/l? |
| 15:42.22 | Coutal | i think the point went by. don't diss the guy too much. mpdizon, what was it that you meant to ask? we might be able to help |
| 15:42.32 | jim | asg, coutal: I think you two are a match! |
| 15:42.41 | asg | Coutal: other than asking if there are asians, it hasn't asked a question yet |
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| 15:43.15 | Tuttle_ | Hi |
| 15:43.37 | abrotman | antgel_: yay |
| 15:43.38 | abrotman | antgel_: yay |
| 15:43.40 | Coutal | asg: i presume it was a leading question, and not a dating one. probably something regarding asian fonts or display, if my hunch is correct |
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| 15:44.07 | mpdizon | yup youre right |
| 15:44.07 | mpdizon | yup youre right |
| 15:44.28 | Tuttle_ | I use debian sarge's postfix package which uses chrooted daemons by default. It has some problems with DNS resolves, how to easily resolve the problem? |
| 15:44.35 | mpdizon | sorry didnt mean anything offensive |
| 15:44.50 | antgel_ | abrotman: yay what? i have two errors on separate disks. naturally a google search reveals hot air. am doing an fsck -f /dev/md1 at the moment. 400G of nothing takes a while to check apparently. |
| 15:44.57 | asg | mpdizon: you didn't offend anyone, just ask whatever question you have. |
| 15:44.57 | asg | mpdizon: you didn't offend anyone, just ask whatever question you have. |
| 15:44.57 | jim | well if you're a guy, the dating question is "who is leading on the dance floor" |
| 15:45.01 | abrotman | antgel_: yay you had a disc :) |
| 15:45.09 | antgel_ | abrotman: oh yeah, that. :-/ |
| 15:45.11 | abrotman | antgel_: boo on the bad data :) |
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| 15:45.37 | Coutal | Tuttle_: it's probably missing the dns resolver libraries and configuration files. just make sure they're there as well |
| 15:45.39 | antgel_ | abrotman: these are three fucking new disks. i moved the box a metre. fucking hell. they don't make'em like they used to |
| 15:45.54 | abrotman | antgel_: moved how .. with a bulldozer perchance? |
| 15:45.54 | abrotman | antgel_: moved how .. with a bulldozer perchance? |
| 15:46.14 | antgel_ | abrotman: naw, the old lift and drop |
| 15:46.14 | antgel_ | abrotman: naw, the old lift and drop |
| 15:46.19 | abrotman | antgel_: could a cable have come loose ? |
| 15:46.23 | Tuttle_ | Coutal: the chroot jail looks pretty the same as on my other Sarge system, but it has no problems... :( |
| 15:46.27 | jim | it definitely threw me for a loop... first I see the person must program in something like C ("hello world") and then the asian thing |
| 15:46.27 | jim | it definitely threw me for a loop... first I see the person must program in something like C ("hello world") and then the asian thing |
| 15:46.34 | asg | Tuttle_: does dns resolution work without the chroot? |
| 15:46.39 | Tuttle_ | asg: yes |
| 15:46.53 | Coutal | antgel_: maybe you dropped it from too high. it reminds me of a funny quote i heard |
| 15:47.09 | antgel_ | abrotman: checked. worrying thing is that 2/3 disks are exhibiting errors. hopefully fsck will sort it. i have no desire to reinstall a raid5 box with ldap and samba |
| 15:47.16 | takatumi | jim: what asian thing? |
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| 15:47.31 | Coutal | "the word laptop comes from latin, and translates to 'don't drop this!'" |
| 15:47.38 | jim | takatumi, "any asians here" |
| 15:47.43 | antgel_ | Coutal: fucking right |
| 15:47.49 | mpdizon | i do program in C, C++, ASP, JSP and PHP jim |
| 15:47.54 | takatumi | jim: missed it. |
| 15:47.54 | takatumi | jim: missed it. |
| 15:47.59 | jim | I suspected that |
| 15:48.04 | asg | Coutal: it originally came from via the Greek, "Coffee is verboten" |
| 15:48.34 | abrotman | antgel_: sounds like a fun way to spend a weekend no? :) |
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| 15:48.53 | cahoot | asg: Ouzo actually |
| 15:49.00 | antgel_ | abrotman: nothing is fun atm, so in an odd way i wouldn't be _that_ bothered. reckon |
| 15:49.03 | antgel_ | oops |
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| 15:49.05 | takatumi | it actually came from stovetop, it's a stove, rest in on your lap. |
| 15:49.17 | antgel_ | ... #linux would make more sense of the errors i pasted? |
| 15:49.29 | antgel_ | !start a cv war |
| 15:49.29 | antgel_ | !start a cv war |
| 15:49.45 | abrotman | antgel_: yeah .. i know .. having a box go belly up .. is never fun .. especially on a thursday .. i have told all my boxes that they MUST die on tuesdays |
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| 15:50.27 | jim | oh, and perl |
| 15:50.33 | abrotman | bonus points! |
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| 15:50.36 | mpdizon | cool |
| 15:50.40 | takatumi | so anyone staying back in Florida? |
| 15:50.48 | mpdizon | how bout VB.net? |
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| 15:51.14 | abrotman | takatumi: we have a few here from FL |
| 15:51.22 | abrotman | takatumi: you're not in FL are oyu ? |
| 15:51.32 | takatumi | abrotman: nope. |
| 15:51.36 | jim | nope, I don't touch anything microsoft makes (my thing is, how are they going to try to extract money from me and/or my customers after the fact) |
| 15:51.43 | md5sum | hahaha... national lampoon is coming out with "National Lampoon's Barely Legal" |
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| 15:52.21 | mpdizon | ohok, r u good in java? |
| 15:52.31 | antgel_ | hmm. hdb also reported "host protected area" detected. wtf... |
| 15:52.34 | jim | not anymore if I ever was |
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| 15:53.00 | abrotman | !tell mpdizon about u |
| 15:53.01 | stew | mpdizon: do you have any questions that are remotely debian related? |
| 15:53.13 | md5sum | takatumi: I am in Florida... why do you ask? |
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| 15:53.27 | jim | java is too annoyingly complex for the job it's put to (but it can be handy for applets when absolutely necessary) |
| 15:53.47 | mpdizon | applets for mobile phones? |
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| 15:53.55 | takatumi | md5sum: wilma made me ask. :) |
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| 15:53.55 | takatumi | md5sum: wilma made me ask. :) |
| 15:54.02 | asg | cahoot: ah, of course |
| 15:54.03 | asg | cahoot: ah, of course |
| 15:54.12 | md5sum | takatumi: we aint skeered |
| 15:54.14 | md5sum | heh :P |
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| 15:54.20 | jim | no, web applets |
| 15:54.33 | jim | I never did a phone applet |
| 15:54.42 | antgel_ | abrotman: fucking thing passed the fsck :( |
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| 15:54.50 | abrotman | antgel_: and still won't boot ? |
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| 15:55.09 | mpdizon | what software do u use in programming java? |
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| 15:55.12 | takatumi | md5sum: all the best! |
| 15:55.12 | takatumi | md5sum: all the best! |
| 15:55.19 | abrotman | !tell mpdizon about u |
| 15:55.28 | antgel_ | abrotman: i'll try in a sec. i should be able to mount it and chroot to it, right? |
| 15:55.34 | jim | well I primarily don't use java |
| 15:55.42 | mpdizon | ohok |
| 15:55.55 | takatumi | abrotman: u think he didn't see it the first time? |
| 15:56.02 | jim | at this point I'm using openacs which is tcl/sql/plsql/plpgsql |
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| 15:56.34 | mpdizon | is that a database language? |
| 15:56.36 | abrotman | takatumi: i'll keep telling ihm :) |
| 15:56.46 | md5sum | takatumi: I'm in an area tha was hit by 3 hurricanes last year. Charley, Ivan, and Jeanne... trust me, we ain't skeered |
| 15:56.46 | md5sum | takatumi: I'm in an area tha was hit by 3 hurricanes last year. Charley, Ivan, and Jeanne... trust me, we ain't skeered |
| 15:56.49 | jim | well sql is, and pl/sql and plpgsql are |
| 15:56.50 | bitlogicus | I'm configuring a box with raid5 |
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| 15:57.05 | mpdizon | thanks for the info |
| 15:57.16 | jim | openacs uses tcl and all those things |
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| 15:57.22 | takatumi | md5sum: I trust you, but it's scared not skeered. |
| 15:57.23 | takatumi | md5sum: I trust you, but it's scared not skeered. |
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| 15:57.38 | bitlogicus | everything went ok till I simulated one problem, taking out one hard drive from the computer |
| 15:57.45 | atchek | anyone can help me with cups + kde 3.4.3 |
| 15:57.47 | atchek | debian |
| 15:57.50 | abrotman | takatumi: paulswm is also near the middle of FL |
| 15:57.50 | abrotman | takatumi: paulswm is also near the middle of FL |
| 15:57.57 | jim | take a look at photo.net, greenpeace.org and scorecard.org for examples of sites built with acs and openacs |
| 15:57.59 | md5sum | takatumi: it's skeered in the south, boi |
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| 15:58.08 | md5sum | takatumi: SQUEAL... lol j/k |
| 15:58.09 | mpdizon | sure will |
| 15:58.09 | mpdizon | sure will |
| 15:58.14 | takatumi | md5sum: :) |
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| 15:58.28 | bitlogicus | the problem is: when I take an hard drive out the drive letter are changed, so the raid gives some errors! |
| 15:58.37 | bitlogicus | can some one help me with this? |
| 15:59.03 | dmoCholet | Hi all. Do you know the command to have all message you get during boot (I try dmesg but I have not all) |
| 15:59.03 | dmoCholet | Hi all. Do you know the command to have all message you get during boot (I try dmesg but I have not all) |
| 15:59.07 | takatumi | atchek: isn't there a fancy schmancy kde printer install thingy? |
| 15:59.30 | jim | bitlogicus: what's a drive letter? |
| 15:59.31 | jim | bitlogicus: what's a drive letter? |
| 15:59.45 | petemc | !dict obtuse |
| 15:59.46 | dpkg | Dictionary 'obtuse' (2): 2. Not having acute sensibility or perceptions; dull; stupid; as, obtuse senses. --Milton. ;; Obtuse \Ob*tuse"\ a. [Compar. Obtuser; superl. Obtusest.] [L. obtusus, p. p. of obtundere to blunt: cf. F. obtus. See Obtund.] 1. Not pointed or acute; blunt; -- applied esp. to angles greater than a right angle, or containing more than ninety degrees.. |
| 15:59.47 | dpkg | Dictionary 'obtuse' (2): 2. Not having acute sensibility or perceptions; dull; stupid; as, obtuse senses. --Milton. ;; Obtuse \Ob*tuse"\ a. [Compar. Obtuser; superl. Obtusest.] [L. obtusus, p. p. of obtundere to blunt: cf. F. obtus. See Obtund.] 1. Not pointed or acute; blunt; -- applied esp. to angles greater than a right angle, or containing more than ninety degrees.. |
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| 15:59.53 | takatumi | dmoCholet: /msg dpkg bootlog |
| 15:59.54 | atchek | yes takatumi, i can not select any backend with the kde print system |
| 15:59.54 | atchek | yes takatumi, i can not select any backend with the kde print system |
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| 16:00.02 | bitlogicus | jim, I call it drive letter, it isn't, is sda, sdb, .... |
| 16:00.06 | takatumi | atchek: which printer? |
| 16:00.12 | jim | oic |
| 16:00.15 | atchek | samsung ml1710 |
| 16:00.15 | atchek | samsung ml1710 |
| 16:00.17 | atchek | it used to work |
| 16:00.19 | bitlogicus | I wanted to lock this to some drive on but, is it possible? |
| 16:00.21 | plbgnr | hello, I have troubles with apache-ssl package: it is about virtualhost setting. in apache package it isnt problem but after I modify /etc/apache-ssl/httpd.conf I can't start apache-ssl ...'Starting web server: apache-ssl failed' and there is nothing in error.log can anybody help? |
| 16:00.30 | jim | -those- I know a little about :) |
| 16:00.32 | atchek | but after upgrade to kde 3.4.3 everything gone |
| 16:00.32 | atchek | but after upgrade to kde 3.4.3 everything gone |
| 16:00.35 | Coutal | takatumi: that doesn't seem to work for me |
| 16:00.45 | dmoCholet | takatumi, it does not work |
| 16:01.20 | md5sum | atchek: #debian-kde |
| 16:01.23 | takatumi | worked for me once, try localhost:631 or foomatic-gui |
| 16:01.43 | jim | maybe you can feed root=/dev/sdb2 or soemthing like that when you boot, then you boot in single user and edit your fstab |
| 16:01.49 | jim | well that's one approach |
| 16:02.02 | antgel | abrotman: no, fucking wank thing doesn't boot |
| 16:02.08 | jim | but I'm not sure what your problem is |
| 16:02.21 | abrotman | antgel: but the same kernel worked before? |
| 16:02.24 | jim | you have to tell the raid you're removing a drive |
| 16:02.27 | dmoCholet | I have : /msg command not found |
| 16:02.34 | takatumi | !bootlog |
| 16:02.34 | dpkg | /etc/default/bootlogd now defaults to "no". Edit that to get your /var/log/boot file back. For more info, see bugs.debian.org/213028, or not a command (opposed to dmesg) |
| 16:02.34 | takatumi | !bootlog |
| 16:02.34 | dpkg | /etc/default/bootlogd now defaults to "no". Edit that to get your /var/log/boot file back. For more info, see bugs.debian.org/213028, or not a command (opposed to dmesg) |
| 16:02.36 | asg | dmoCholet: /msg .... (in your irc client) |
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| 16:03.43 | dmoCholet | Rigth it was set to no, I set it to yes and rebbot |
| 16:03.50 | m4lu7 | can anyone tell me what option to pass to kernel to disable usb at boot? |
| 16:03.50 | m4lu7 | can anyone tell me what option to pass to kernel to disable usb at boot? |
| 16:04.04 | takatumi | dmoCholet: still no dice? |
| 16:04.07 | asg | m4lu7: nousb or usb=off most likely |
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| 16:04.14 | dmoCholet | c u in 5 min |
| 16:04.17 | antgel | abrotman: it sure did. |
| 16:04.44 | takatumi | m4lu7: try disabling legacy USB support in the BIOS as well. |
| 16:04.50 | m4lu7 | hmm. |
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| 16:05.07 | abrotman | antgel: could you .. reinstall the kernel via the liveCD ? |
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| 16:05.51 | bushito | help, |
| 16:05.52 | bushito | What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running |
| 16:05.52 | bushito | kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include]...............The path "/usr/src/linux/include" is not an existing directory. |
| 16:05.52 | bushito | What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running |
| 16:05.52 | bushito | kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include]...............The path "/usr/src/linux/include" is not an existing directory. |
| 16:05.53 | m4lu7 | takatumi, zing. thanks. |
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| 16:06.09 | abrotman | bushito: why are you compiling a kernel ? |
| 16:06.11 | antgel | abrotman: i'll have a go. still concerned about the hd messages from knoppix dmesg. when the box boots from initrd, i don't see such things. |
| 16:06.17 | jim | bushito: be careful with pasting |
| 16:06.38 | bushito | abrotman, bought a program and i am installing it and it needs to compile the kernel |
| 16:06.40 | takatumi | m4lu7: cheers. |
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| 16:06.55 | antgel | abrotman: i'm gonna try to chroot to it. bet i can't. |
| 16:07.04 | abrotman | antgel: but it mounts cleanly ? |
| 16:07.05 | m4lu7 | aaashit. kernel OOps. wtf? ahhg. |
| 16:07.05 | m4lu7 | aaashit. kernel OOps. wtf? ahhg. |
| 16:07.19 | abrotman | bushito: you bought a program that requres you to recompile the kernel ? |
| 16:07.21 | takatumi | bushito: get the kernel-headers or kernel-source |
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| 16:07.37 | bushito | abrotman, vmware workstation |
| 16:07.45 | abrotman | vmware requires a kernel recompile ? |
| 16:07.54 | petemc | module |
| 16:07.54 | petemc | module |
| 16:07.57 | takatumi | what's it with vmware, I haven't understood the need. |
| 16:08.21 | antgel | abrotman: mounts in the most juicy fashion imaginable |
| 16:08.39 | bushito | Your kernel was built with "gcc" version "3.3.5", while you are trying to use "/usr/bin/gcc" version "3.3.6". This configuration is not recommended and VMware Workstation may crash if you'll continue. Please try to use exactly same compiler as one used for building your kernel. Do you want to go with compiler"/usr/bin/gcc" version "3.3.6" anyway? [no] yes |
| 16:08.39 | abrotman | backup! |
| 16:08.39 | bushito | Your kernel was built with "gcc" version "3.3.5", while you are trying to use "/usr/bin/gcc" version "3.3.6". This configuration is not recommended and VMware Workstation may crash if you'll continue. Please try to use exactly same compiler as one used for building your kernel. Do you want to go with compiler"/usr/bin/gcc" version "3.3.6" anyway? [no] yes |
| 16:08.39 | abrotman | backup! |
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| 16:08.44 | takatumi | m4lu7: what error? |
| 16:08.45 | row | is there anyway I can reset my sound card without a reboot using alsa or some other util? |
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| 16:08.58 | abrotman | mmm .. food |
| 16:09.04 | antgel | abrotman: i can ls the mount point and see the files. i'm gonna do a find /mountpoint |
| 16:09.08 | petemc | bushito: this is documented all over the web, go read up on it |
| 16:09.21 | pipeline | bushito: You'll be fine. |
| 16:09.33 | abrotman | antgel: eep |
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| 16:10.27 | Denis79|Cholet | still no bootlog |
| 16:10.46 | takatumi | Denis79|Cholet: what have you tried? |
| 16:11.00 | Denis79|Cholet | I set Yes in bootlogd file |
| 16:11.34 | row | is there anyway to before a hardware reset of a sound card? |
| 16:11.44 | antgel | abrotman: now hda (cdrom) is moaning. fucking cockpix cd must be scratched |
| 16:12.16 | takatumi | Denis79|Cholet: works dutifully here, must be a bug. |
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| 16:12.40 | Deimos | asg: well, its definitly a bug issue, not a config, I just tried it on another alpha and its worse. php segfaults on every request. |
| 16:12.40 | Deimos | asg: well, its definitly a bug issue, not a config, I just tried it on another alpha and its worse. php segfaults on every request. |
| 16:12.41 | takatumi | antgel: get a biz card iso. |
| 16:12.52 | dusk | alsa or oss for an maudio 2496 card? |
| 16:12.59 | Denis79|Cholet | in fact I have some messages about iptables, but I don't have time to read them, and as I have some trouble with samba... |
| 16:13.10 | takatumi | dusk: whatever works for you. |
| 16:13.13 | antgel | takatumi: could do. to depressed to leave seat |
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| 16:13.15 | asg | Deimos: woah, segfaults? |
| 16:13.18 | antgel | s/to/too |
| 16:13.18 | dusk | oss it is |
| 16:13.18 | antgel | s/to/too |
| 16:13.19 | dusk | oss it is |
| 16:13.26 | Mardus | I'm back. |
| 16:13.34 | takatumi | antgel: stop thinking, start forgetting. |
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| 16:13.42 | m4lu7 | takatumi, unknown. just OOpsed, restarted box, and i reenabled legacy usb. but my core problem remains, getting repeated connect/disconnect on the keyboard (usb keybaord) |
| 16:13.42 | Mardus | I inspected man lilo and I discovered that there is no lilo.conf in /etc/ |
| 16:13.42 | m4lu7 | takatumi, unknown. just OOpsed, restarted box, and i reenabled legacy usb. but my core problem remains, getting repeated connect/disconnect on the keyboard (usb keybaord) |
| 16:13.42 | Mardus | I inspected man lilo and I discovered that there is no lilo.conf in /etc/ |
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| 16:13.57 | asg | Deimos: try grabbing the previous package version from snapshot.debian.net and see if that fixes the problem. If so, file a bug |
| 16:13.57 | asg | Deimos: try grabbing the previous package version from snapshot.debian.net and see if that fixes the problem. If so, file a bug |
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| 16:14.07 | antgel | takatumi: perhaps i should think about forgetting :) |
| 16:14.09 | m4lu7 | it must be this MS wireless USB keyboard; it sees linux, disconnects. waits for a second to see if Windows is available, it's not, gets scared and disconnects again. |
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| 16:14.26 | m4lu7 | nousb option doesn't seem to have an effect either |
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| 16:14.42 | Denis79|Cholet | ok, so I need an advise on iptables |
| 16:14.43 | Denis79|Cholet | ok, so I need an advise on iptables |
| 16:14.55 | Mardus | stew: Are you on? |
| 16:14.56 | asg | Denis79|Cholet: #iptables is a good place to start |
| 16:15.19 | SimonRaven | m4lu7: "ohnoz, a real OS! run away quickly!" |
| 16:15.34 | Mardus | SimonRaven: LOL |
| 16:15.35 | Mardus | SimonRaven: LOL |
| 16:15.36 | dusk | ha |
| 16:15.39 | Denis79|Cholet | Ok |
| 16:15.39 | takatumi | m4lu7: I have an MS wireless keyboard on the desktop, connects fine, I don't like it, that |
| 16:15.39 | takatumi | m4lu7: I have an MS wireless keyboard on the desktop, connects fine, I don't like it, that |
| 16:15.41 | dusk | oss costs money? |
| 16:15.41 | dusk | oss costs money? |
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| 16:15.45 | takatumi | 's another issue. |
| 16:16.05 | jim | m4lu7: obviously ms keyboard is not a good investment |
| 16:16.09 | takatumi | dusk: will you pay up? |
| 16:16.25 | md5sum | takatumi: I have a microsoft wireless desktop comfort edition... use lineak for the multimedia keys... works quite nicely... matter of fact, I like it better than the way it works in M$ |
| 16:16.30 | m4lu7 | jim, i didn't buy it, only one available at office. |
| 16:16.34 | Deimos | asg: ok, thanks =) |
| 16:16.44 | dusk | taka: no way |
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| 16:16.58 | dusk | takatumi, going with alsa |
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| 16:17.07 | Mardus | Here's my issue (in case some people have gone away) -- I need to install lilo on a local hard drive's master boot record, as it hasn't been there before. But I have problems. |
| 16:17.15 | md5sum | oss is obsolete |
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| 16:17.20 | SimonRaven | dusk: alsa will probably exploit the hardware better anyway |
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| 16:17.44 | takatumi | dusk: you don't need to pay to get your sound working with oss, alsa functions much better, if it's configured well. |
| 16:17.53 | m4lu7 | at least netboot installer works. i can trash this 2.4.27 misadventure and try again. |
| 16:17.53 | sandman | What's the best way to have the chroot name appear @ prompt (like bla@debian_chroot:~$) |
| 16:17.54 | sandman | What's the best way to have the chroot name appear @ prompt (like bla@debian_chroot:~$) |
| 16:17.58 | Denis79|Cholet | Do you know if I need this : "starting appletalk service" as I have only Windows computer ? |
| 16:18.10 | asg | sandman: edit the PS1 variable in the chroot dotfiles |
| 16:18.12 | takatumi | Denis79|Cholet: lsmod |
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| 16:18.36 | Mardus | First problem: /etc/lilo.conf does not exist. I understand I could create it with nano. Another problem is that lilo -A says that /dev/hdb1 is the active partition, despite its being FAT and despite the fact that /dev/hdb5 is the Linux partition. |
| 16:18.42 | md5sum | Denis79|Cholet: probably not |
| 16:19.02 | Deimos | asg: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=323773 this looks like it might be it |
| 16:19.09 | Denis79|Cholet | appletalk running |
| 16:19.14 | Mardus | Regarding the non-existing /etc/lilo.conf -- Is there any other way, save for a text editor, to automatically generate /etc/lilo.conf? |
| 16:19.27 | Denis79|Cholet | how can I diseable this module ? |
| 16:19.33 | sandman | asg: Is there any way I could make use of /etc/bash.bashrc? The file looks like it has a setup for chroots already |
| 16:19.33 | sandman | asg: Is there any way I could make use of /etc/bash.bashrc? The file looks like it has a setup for chroots already |
| 16:19.45 | takatumi | sandman: . |
| 16:19.47 | Deimos | asg: since the alpha versions seem to lag behind the x86 versions |
| 16:19.54 | asg | sandman: yes, that works too |
| 16:19.54 | asg | sandman: yes, that works too |
| 16:19.59 | stew | Mardus: copy a working one. ignore active/non active partitions, they dont' matter, you should be installing to /dev/hdb not /dev/hdb1 or /dev/hdb5 |
| 16:20.15 | md5sum | Denis79|Cholet: man modules |
| 16:20.22 | asg | Deimos: ah, yes |
| 16:20.24 | Mardus | stew: I could copy from a floppy. |
| 16:20.54 | SimonRaven | Denis79|Cholet: remove it if you aren't going to use mac stuff; you can set it to start (or not start) with /etc/default/netatalk |
| 16:21.16 | takatumi | SimonRaven: oh it's not a module? |
| 16:21.18 | sandman | asg: Should I just add "source /etc/bash.bashrc" in the ~/.profile's of my users? |
| 16:21.18 | sandman | asg: Should I just add "source /etc/bash.bashrc" in the ~/.profile's of my users? |
| 16:21.37 | SimonRaven | takatumi: there's kernel modules, yes |
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| 16:21.52 | SimonRaven | appletalk, and IIRC another one |
| 16:21.54 | SimonRaven | sec |
| 16:21.54 | SimonRaven | sec |
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| 16:22.09 | asg | sandman: if you look in your user's .bash_profile, you just need to uncomment the relevant bits. |
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| 16:22.44 | stew | Mardus: there is probably also an example in /usr/share/doc/lilo/examples or you could porbably get the default one by reinstalling lilo with confmiss /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 16:22.54 | SimonRaven | no, just appletalk, but it deps on psnap |
| 16:22.55 | SimonRaven | no, just appletalk, but it deps on psnap |
| 16:23.21 | sandman | asg: My user has no ~/.bash_profile. But my users have ~/.profile's" |
| 16:23.39 | asg | sandman: what shell is your user user? |
| 16:23.43 | asg | s/user?/using?/ |
| 16:23.50 | takatumi | asg: which one? |
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| 16:23.55 | takatumi | oh the ? |
| 16:23.58 | sandman | asg: bash. But it's root |
| 16:24.08 | SimonRaven | "hello, $USER user" |
| 16:24.10 | sandman | asg: I don't see a .bash_profile under /root |
| 16:24.10 | sandman | asg: I don't see a .bash_profile under /root |
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| 16:24.36 | sandman | SimonRaven: Heheh.. is $USER="Woman"? |
| 16:24.39 | asg | sandman: well, create one (get a copy from /etc/skel and edit out the bits you don't need) |
| 16:24.39 | asg | sandman: well, create one (get a copy from /etc/skel and edit out the bits you don't need) |
| 16:24.47 | sandman | or $USER="crack"? |
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| 16:25.10 | SimonRaven | could be anyone... i'm just spouting off like usual =) |
| 16:25.19 | Denis79|Cholet | What is : CNID_METAD_RUN ? |
| 16:25.26 | asg | nafc |
| 16:25.42 | sandman | Where is the variable debian_chroot set? |
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| 16:26.03 | asg | sandman: it just sets the variable based on what is in the file /etc/debian_chroot |
| 16:26.04 | SimonRaven | cnid a daemon to handle the database, to handle resource forks for hfs[+] |
| 16:26.04 | SimonRaven | cnid a daemon to handle the database, to handle resource forks for hfs[+] |
| 16:26.05 | Denis79|Cholet | in /etc/default/netatalk |
| 16:26.09 | SimonRaven | is a* |
| 16:26.20 | asg | sandman: look at /etc/skel/.bash_profile (that shows how it is used) |
| 16:26.20 | asg | sandman: look at /etc/skel/.bash_profile (that shows how it is used) |
| 16:26.22 | SimonRaven | Denis79|Cholet: just means whether or not you want to run it |
| 16:26.22 | SimonRaven | Denis79|Cholet: just means whether or not you want to run it |
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| 16:26.35 | Denis79|Cholet | yes |
| 16:26.46 | Denis79|Cholet | I diseable atalk |
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| 16:27.18 | reed_ | Hello. Does anyone have any idea how I can find out why dh_install is skipping a package? I have libfoo3 and libfoo-dev; libfoo-dev's files never get moved into debian/libfoo-dev temp. dir and the package is basically empty. |
| 16:27.37 | sandman | asg: That file doesn't tell me a whole lot |
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| 16:28.04 | asg | sandman: sorry, /etc/skel/.bashrc |
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| 16:28.21 | reed_ | -v just shows that it's not copying any files. adding -plibfoo3 -plibfoo-dev has no effect. |
| 16:28.24 | samx | any idea why I can login normally, but can't unlock my X sessions? |
| 16:28.25 | reed_ | I'm ussing --same-arch |
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| 16:30.28 | sandman | Okay. I don't like the automagically created /root dotfiles |
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| 16:30.53 | sandman | Where should I put source /etc/bash.bashrc? In /root/.profile or /root/.bashrc? |
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| 16:31.12 | Mardus | stew: I can't do the confmiss thing, because I accidentally pressed n, when apt-get asked about initrd when installing the kernel. Now I'm at the question "Do you want me to get a link from /boot/initrd.img-2.4.18-386 to initrd.img?[Yn]" |
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| 16:31.34 | Mardus | stw: What I mean, is that I can't do confmiss, because apt-get is still running in another tty. |
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| 16:32.49 | Nod51 | I using an apt server with a package that is named the same but 2 different versions. is there a way to apt-get the older version? |
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| 16:33.10 | Mardus | * stew: I can't do the confmiss thing, because apt-get and dpkg are still running in another tty... Thing is, my accidentally pressing n at the initrd question meant that apt had to proceed with installation. |
| 16:33.15 | azeem | Nod51: do apt-get install foo=1.2-3 |
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| 16:33.28 | reed_ | huh, i can't even include the header files in my main package. |
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| 16:33.36 | frood | hey all |
| 16:33.36 | azeem | Nod51: that only works if Packages.gz contains information about both, of course |
| 16:33.37 | azeem | Nod51: that only works if Packages.gz contains information about both, of course |
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| 16:33.45 | frood | does anyone have any experience with blackdiamond switches? |
| 16:33.51 | reed_ | it's like it's using some other .install file that i don't know about... |
| 16:33.52 | reed_ | it's like it's using some other .install file that i don't know about... |
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| 16:34.24 | Nod51 | azeem: thanks, I will give it a try |
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| 16:35.13 | Nod51 | azeem: worked great, thanks! |
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| 16:35.25 | azeem | cheers |
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| 16:37.56 | Mardus | Someone should replace the "peer" word in "Connection reset by peer" with something else, because every time I read this, I also read "Connection reset by a fart", 'cause "peer" is "fart" in Estonian. |
| 16:38.02 | cal | anyone know a way I can rollback my packages from testing to stable? |
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| 16:38.21 | asg | cal: /msg dpkg downgrade |
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| 16:38.35 | asg | cal: YMMV, good luck, it likely won't work. Have a copy of busybox handy |
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| 16:39.53 | cr3 | what is avc? I keep seeing an audit message in /var/log/messages when named attempts to write files under /var/named |
| 16:39.54 | cheal | Mardus: do you also know your nick sounds like shit in French?& |
| 16:39.54 | cheal | Mardus: do you also know your nick sounds like shit in French?& |
| 16:40.03 | cal | thanks asg |
| 16:40.04 | cal | thanks asg |
| 16:40.18 | topa_ | are OO.org packages available for etch ? I just need OOImpress |
| 16:40.18 | topa_ | are OO.org packages available for etch ? I just need OOImpress |
| 16:40.32 | topa_ | s/OO.org/OO.org2/ |
| 16:40.36 | azeem | topa_: no |
| 16:41.02 | azeem | it will get uploaded to unstable RSN, though, so it might hit etch some day |
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| 16:41.17 | topa_ | azeem available on alioth ? |
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| 16:41.29 | azeem | what is available on alioth? |
| 16:41.37 | topa_ | OO.org2 |
| 16:41.38 | Mardus | cheal: I didn't even think of it. Now that I think of it, the curse word that you mean does not quite mean "shit". |
| 16:41.44 | azeem | topa_: it's in experimental |
| 16:41.58 | xelam | why does apt-get install sometimes give unmet dependencies and say "Depends: <package> but it is not installed" |
| 16:42.06 | xelam | surely it should just install them? |
| 16:42.07 | azeem | there's supposedly an even newer version at _rene_'s p.d.o site |
| 16:42.07 | azeem | there's supposedly an even newer version at _rene_'s p.d.o site |
| 16:42.22 | azeem | xelam: usually, those are not installable |
| 16:42.22 | azeem | xelam: usually, those are not installable |
| 16:42.45 | stew | xelam: it will do that if the package is not installable, what version of debian |
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| 16:42.51 | xelam | testing |
| 16:42.51 | xelam | testing |
| 16:42.52 | Mardus | cheal: Mardus in itself stands for something like a ghost... |
| 16:42.59 | grendal_prime | hey what the hell is the name of that kde front end for vnc? |
| 16:42.59 | grendal_prime | hey what the hell is the name of that kde front end for vnc? |
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| 16:43.16 | xelam | I tried to dist-upgrade from stable |
| 16:43.18 | Mardus | cheal: ... In Estonian |
| 16:43.26 | cheal | Mardus: it will always be marde for me |
| 16:43.41 | asg | grendal_prime: did it not occur to you to use 'apt-cache search kde vnc' |
| 16:43.41 | cheal | grendal_prime: ask #debian-kde |
| 16:43.42 | cheal | grendal_prime: ask #debian-kde |
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| 16:43.57 | mETz | hi |
| 16:44.02 | grendal_prime | asg i did couldnt find it |
| 16:44.08 | stew | xelam: what package is it complaining about? |
| 16:44.09 | Mardus | cheal: Is it not spelled "merde" instead? |
| 16:44.09 | Mardus | cheal: Is it not spelled "merde" instead? |
| 16:44.21 | ethan-allison | Mardus: it is |
| 16:44.22 | ethan-allison | Mardus: it is |
| 16:44.32 | mETz | if I upgrade udev and thus deinstall hotplug (they are conflicting packages now), can I still use a kernel < 2.6.12? |
| 16:44.32 | mETz | if I upgrade udev and thus deinstall hotplug (they are conflicting packages now), can I still use a kernel < 2.6.12? |
| 16:44.32 | Mardus | cheal: See!?! |
| 16:44.35 | asg | grendal_prime: ~$ apt-cache search krdc |
| 16:44.35 | asg | krdc - Remote Desktop Connection for KDE |
| 16:44.38 | cheal | Mardus: merde is more official, but marde looks more like your nick |
| 16:44.41 | mETz | I guess no but I'm not really sure :/ |
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| 16:44.55 | asg | grendal_prime: that's what you want |
| 16:45.18 | xelam | it's complaining about sound-juicer totem vino zenity libopenh323-1.15.3c2 libpt-1.8.3c2 udev nautilus libpt-plugins-v4l2 |
| 16:45.24 | Mardus | cheal: Sure, but my nick is off by up to three different letters. |
| 16:45.30 | cheal | mETz: which release? |
| 16:45.41 | mETz | cheal: unstable? :) |
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| 16:45.51 | Mardus | And mETz sounds like 'forest' in Estonian. |
| 16:45.51 | stew | xelam: you need to upgrade to kernel 2.6.12 before you con install udev from testing |
| 16:45.51 | stew | xelam: you need to upgrade to kernel 2.6.12 before you con install udev from testing |
| 16:46.09 | mETz | cool |
| 16:46.10 | cheal | Mardus: but only 2 with marde! |
| 16:46.12 | xelam | how can I stop it trying to install those packages |
| 16:46.13 | xelam | ? |
| 16:46.13 | xelam | ? |
| 16:46.13 | mETz | always wanted to be a forest |
| 16:46.22 | stew | xelam: paste the entire transaction to a pastebin or to #flood (don't pate here) |
| 16:46.29 | Mardus | So that the trees could not be seen. |
| 16:46.43 | stew | xelam: if you don't want them installed, apt-get remove them |
| 16:47.14 | Mardus | cheal: Mhmh. Only that I have more difficult problems to rid myself of in Debian. |
| 16:47.14 | Mardus | cheal: Mhmh. Only that I have more difficult problems to rid myself of in Debian. |
| 16:47.15 | cheal | mETz: sid's udev needs a kernel >= 2.6.12 |
| 16:47.21 | mETz|dinner | time to... ;) |
| 16:47.30 | xelam | stew: but I do want them install, just not yet :\ |
| 16:47.30 | xelam | stew: but I do want them install, just not yet :\ |
| 16:47.36 | xelam | I want it to stay how it is now |
| 16:47.40 | mETz|dinner | cheal: hmm ok, so I better keep the older one that still allows hotplug side by side |
| 16:47.43 | xelam | so I can install kernel-image-X |
| 16:47.46 | xelam | anyway, http://paste.leonerd.org.uk/?show=496 |
| 16:47.47 | xelam | anyway, http://paste.leonerd.org.uk/?show=496 |
| 16:47.58 | mETz|dinner | not sure if I want this udev stuff, right now some things are broken here |
| 16:48.04 | stew | xelam: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-arch where arch is something like 686 or k7 |
| 16:48.18 | xelam | stew: I can't do that... it just complains about the other stuff |
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| 16:48.25 | Norbert | hi all |
| 16:48.41 | Norbert | I added invalid information to /dev/fstab |
| 16:48.47 | stew | !udev 2.6.12 |
| 16:48.47 | dpkg | if you tried to upgrade udev and now get the message "udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.12, upgrade aborted.", you must install a 2.6.12 kernel before proceding. The recommended way to do this is to download a linux-image-2.6.12-1 .deb for your arch from packages.debian.org and installing it with dpkg -i |
| 16:48.47 | stew | !udev 2.6.12 |
| 16:48.47 | dpkg | if you tried to upgrade udev and now get the message "udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.12, upgrade aborted.", you must install a 2.6.12 kernel before proceding. The recommended way to do this is to download a linux-image-2.6.12-1 .deb for your arch from packages.debian.org and installing it with dpkg -i |
| 16:48.50 | Norbert | fscked up /dev/hda1 |
| 16:49.02 | Norbert | now, I started the Debian installer again (boot, root disk) |
| 16:49.06 | Mardus | stew: I copied the floppy's lilo.conf to /etc/lilo.conf, but it probably has several lines that must be edited. I put boot = /dev/hdb. Other lines are install, map, compact, prompt, read-only, image, label and root. |
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| 16:49.21 | Norbert | I tried going to a terminal, to change /etc/fstab, but there was no /dev/hda* |
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| 16:49.36 | stew | Mardus: was there a question in there? |
| 16:49.44 | Norbert | is there any way to mount /dev/hda* or whatever using the Debian boot/root disks? |
| 16:49.49 | nvz | trying to goto sleep for only like 2 hours is rough |
| 16:49.56 | Mardus | stew: Question was: Which lines must be edited for the hard drive? |
| 16:50.00 | tutub | hi. im trying to install debian on a 2.5" usb hdd via usb connector as my laptop doesnt come with any floppy/cdrom. i did a install from my desktop using a netinst cd. after the installation i replace back the hdd into my laptop and i get the error -- /sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console: No such file. --- anyone have any idea? |
| 16:50.02 | stew | Mardus: boot= |
| 16:50.02 | stew | Mardus: boot= |
| 16:50.06 | sabster | I have a unreliable link between my Debian box and my windows box (on the other side of the country). Packets are somehow getting strangely corrupted in transit. As a temporary solution, does anyone know of a file transfer protocol that does packet-by-packet checksumming and can handle such an unreliable link? |
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| 16:50.28 | Mardus | stew: For example, boot = /dev/hdb (should it be /dev/hdb/ ?) |
| 16:50.40 | sabster | I'm pretty sure that SFTP/SCP does, but it craps out whenever there's a bad packet |
| 16:50.40 | stew | no, it should be /dev/hdb |
| 16:50.40 | sabster | I'm pretty sure that SFTP/SCP does, but it craps out whenever there's a bad packet |
| 16:50.40 | stew | no, it should be /dev/hdb |
| 16:50.54 | Mardus | stew: install = boot.b may remain unchanged? |
| 16:51.06 | reed_ | sabster, which packets? TCP packets? UDP packets? IP packets? TCP should verify the checksum I think. |
| 16:51.40 | reed_ | Unless the node that is corrupting your data is reforming the TCP packets anew. |
| 16:51.52 | Norbert | question: how to mount /dev/hda1 using only a Debian root disk? |
| 16:52.01 | stew | Mardus: as long as you have a /boot/boot.b |
| 16:52.08 | sabster | reed_: The protocols that are getting corrupted data are all TCP, but it might be on the IP level. I haven't sniffed to find out exactly what's going on. That's interesting though; I didn't know TCP did checksums |
| 16:52.18 | reed_ | I could be wrong. |
| 16:52.18 | reed_ | I could be wrong. |
| 16:52.29 | abrotman | antgel: you're totally not having a good day :) |
| 16:52.37 | Mardus | stew: It's only boot.b and not /boot/boot.b . Shall I change it to the latter? |
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| 16:52.45 | stew | Mardus: man lilo.conf |
| 16:52.49 | giupy_ | hi all |
| 16:53.00 | stew | Mardus: where is the boot.b file? |
| 16:53.10 | stew | Mardus: if its in /boot than change it to /boot/boot.b |
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| 16:53.12 | giupy_ | how can i say mutt to use ssmtp as default ? |
| 16:53.15 | mikkael | I have a cron job that is supposed to execute a bash shell (backup job) at midnight. Cron runs okay but it doesn't run backup.sh. What do I need to do to the script so that is 'seen' or executed? I have -rwxr-xr-x root:root prem on it. |
| 16:53.18 | Mardus | stew: man lilo says that the default is /boot/boot.b |
| 16:53.18 | Mardus | stew: man lilo says that the default is /boot/boot.b |
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| 16:54.08 | Mardus | stew: So I put /boot/boot.b |
| 16:54.09 | xelam | FFS |
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| 16:55.00 | sandman | Is the root password different if you sudo vs. su? |
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| 16:55.01 | halibut | If I burn a data DVD using K3b, will it be fully readable for a windows user? |
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| 16:55.27 | stew | sandman: sudo doesn't ask for root password, it asks for the password of the user running sudo |
| 16:56.01 | xelam | if I attempt to install the kernel image manually I get more dependency problems :( |
| 16:56.01 | xelam | if I attempt to install the kernel image manually I get more dependency problems :( |
| 16:56.02 | mikkael | can somebody help me with this cron problem? |
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| 16:56.26 | yxa | why isnt samba-3.0.20b packaged yet? |
| 16:56.33 | chealer | yxa, it is |
| 16:56.40 | ethan-allison | mikkael: what error is it giving you |
| 16:56.44 | stew | mikkael: are you putting backup.sh in a crontab or in one of the /etc/cron.* directories? |
| 16:56.47 | sandman | stew: Word |
| 16:57.21 | yxa | chealer just did an apt-get update didn't see it |
| 16:57.26 | mikkael | stew: the shell script is in the /root/ directory. |
| 16:57.32 | cheal | yxa: which release? |
| 16:57.32 | cheal | yxa: which release? |
| 16:57.33 | ProN00b | some instructions tell me to compile the kernel with parameters like CONFIG_MODULES=y, i am making my kernel with "make menuconfig" so how do i pass the arguments to that ? |
| 16:57.33 | ProN00b | some instructions tell me to compile the kernel with parameters like CONFIG_MODULES=y, i am making my kernel with "make menuconfig" so how do i pass the arguments to that ? |
| 16:57.41 | yxa | cheal testing |
| 16:57.54 | asg | ProN00b: space bar for 'Y', m for 'M' |
| 16:58.05 | cheal | yxa: it won't be in testing before some time |
| 16:58.07 | stew | mikkael: and you are putting it in root's crontab? |
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| 16:58.22 | ProN00b | huh, asg ? |
| 16:58.28 | yxa | cheal its in unstable? |
| 16:58.52 | asg | ProN00b: you find the item you want to configure and use the spacebar to make it 'Y' |
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| 16:58.55 | cheal | yxa: yes |
| 16:59.17 | asg | ProN00b: the 'help' feature will show your which kernel config line (i.e. CONFIG_MODULES) at the top |
| 16:59.20 | mikkael | stew: no, I just call the script with its path... like this: 30 0 * * * /root/backup.sh |
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| 16:59.34 | cahoot | ProN00b: you do have menuconfig running? |
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| 16:59.55 | ProN00b | yes |
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| 17:00.09 | stew | mikkael: where are you putting that line? the 30 0 * * *... in root's crontab? |
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| 17:00.09 | stew | mikkael: where are you putting that line? the 30 0 * * *... in root's crontab? |
| 17:00.17 | dimir | pr0n! |
| 17:00.29 | ethan-allison | dimir: ? |
| 17:00.30 | ethan-allison | dimir: ? |
| 17:00.30 | mikkael | stew: yep. is that bad? :) |
| 17:00.31 | antgel | abrotman: have lamely decided to reinstall with a 2.4 sarge |
| 17:00.36 | stew | mikkael: no that should be fine |
| 17:00.40 | abrotman | antgel: eek! |
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| 17:00.54 | ProN00b | asg, cahoot, i was told to do this, "CONFIG_MODULES=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=n CONFIG_KMOD=y", how can i look up those options, or just set them manually in menuconfig ? |
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| 17:01.19 | dimir | ProN00b: you can edit the .config file and set them there. |
| 17:01.25 | asg | ProN00b: I told you. |
| 17:01.25 | asg | ProN00b: I told you. |
| 17:01.37 | mikkael | stew: it doesn't run the script though. do I need to do something to the script itself so that cron 'sees' it? |
| 17:01.38 | cahoot | dimir: not a *very* good advice |
| 17:01.38 | cahoot | dimir: not a *very* good advice |
| 17:01.54 | ProN00b | asg, i didn't get what you said |
| 17:01.58 | cheal | yxa: new packages never get in testing directly. therefore before considering something's not packaged, check sid (and experimental sometimes) |
| 17:02.06 | stew | mikkael: not that i know of. is email being sent to whomever get's root's mail when the script is executed? |
| 17:02.06 | stew | mikkael: not that i know of. is email being sent to whomever get's root's mail when the script is executed? |
| 17:02.16 | asg | ProN00b: then you probably shouldn't be compiling kernels. Anyway, do as dimir suggested. |
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| 17:02.50 | yxa | cheal what if i'm running stable but i need the latest asterisk-1.0.9.2? |
| 17:02.51 | yxa | cheal what if i'm running stable but i need the latest asterisk-1.0.9.2? |
| 17:02.51 | cahoot | dimir: (given the fact he seems to have severe trouble figuring out how to use menuconfig) |
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| 17:03.08 | dimir | yeah. |
| 17:03.14 | ProN00b | are there dependencies on kernel options, asg or dimir ? |
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| 17:03.21 | stew | yxa: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 17:03.28 | asg | ProN00b: yes, that's why menuconfig is helpful |
| 17:03.31 | dimir | prozureus: yes. |
| 17:03.31 | mikkael | stew: yes, I get the email about the other scripts (0 0 * * * apt-get update) but this one (30 0 * * * /root/backup.sh) never gets reported or executed. |
| 17:03.35 | dimir | pron too |
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| 17:04.12 | ProN00b | good, how do i find those entries on menuconfig then, i mean on there everything has some cute description-name |
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| 17:04.24 | stew | mikkael: i don't *think that there is anything special about it being in /root, but why not try putting it in /usr/local/sbin (where it probably belongs) |
| 17:04.39 | mikkael | stew: thanks. let me try that. |
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| 17:04.57 | dimir | ProN00b: go to the menu and choose the "Loadable module support" |
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| 17:05.20 | cheal | yxa: what stew said, unless you want a mix, but getting/building a backport is most likely the only reasonable solution |
| 17:05.27 | error403 | how do i remove a package and everything it brought with it? like from when something is installed with 'apt-get <packagename>', but installs loads of other packages too... |
| 17:05.27 | dimir | ProN00b: then set * for "enable module support" |
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| 17:06.06 | stew | error403: aptitude does this for you, if you use apt-get instead of aptitude you have to track this stuff manually or look at deborphan / debfoster |
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| 17:06.23 | error403 | i see... |
| 17:06.25 | error403 | damn.. |
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| 17:06.38 | error403 | stew, in other words, im screwed? |
| 17:06.38 | ProN00b | ah, when you select it and goto help then you see its real name, CONFIG_MODULES, dimir, so how do i search for the real name then ? |
| 17:06.39 | ProN00b | ah, when you select it and goto help then you see its real name, CONFIG_MODULES, dimir, so how do i search for the real name then ? |
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| 17:06.42 | xelam | nice one apt :( |
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| 17:07.01 | stew | error403: /msg dpkg deboarphan |
| 17:07.04 | nvz | hmm I wonder if I will have to update-db to locate wallet |
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| 17:07.33 | Mardus | stew: So I specified the boot image, which is /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18-386 |
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| 17:07.35 | ProN00b | dimir, other than knowing where the names are located in menuconfig, how can i find them ? |
| 17:07.44 | dimir | ProN00b: You basically browse the menu for the thing you need. |
| 17:07.50 | stew | Mardus: that doens't look right |
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| 17:08.04 | Mardus | stew: What should it be, then? |
| 17:08.27 | cahoot | ProN00b: it's possible to do a search by hitting '/' |
| 17:08.34 | Mardus | stew: I got the filename by reading what files were in the /boot/ directory |
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| 17:08.54 | ethan-allison | ok, so my desktop froze when i was shutting it down |
| 17:09.02 | nvz | laziness++ I left it in my pants pocket so I wouldnt loose it :P |
| 17:09.06 | ProN00b | cahoot, a search for CONFIG_MODULES returns nothing |
| 17:09.08 | stew | Mardus: ok nm then |
| 17:09.12 | error403 | thanks stew |
| 17:09.12 | error403 | thanks stew |
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| 17:09.14 | ethan-allison | it has the wallpaper and the cursor, but doesn't respond to anything besides the CD door opener button |
| 17:09.17 | cmug | What will break if I switch my sources.list to unstable instead of stable? or testing? which has xorg? |
| 17:09.17 | cmug | What will break if I switch my sources.list to unstable instead of stable? or testing? which has xorg? |
| 17:09.22 | ProN00b | dimir, but i only got those CONFIG_ names... |
| 17:09.29 | abrotman | cmug: testing and unstable both have xorg |
| 17:09.30 | xelam | cmug: everything will break |
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| 17:09.32 | abrotman | !xorg sarge |
| 17:09.32 | dpkg | well, xorg sarge is http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ for sarge backports of the xorg packages. Use at your own risk. |
| 17:09.32 | dpkg | well, xorg sarge is http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ for sarge backports of the xorg packages. Use at your own risk. |
| 17:09.39 | Mardus | stew: What's nm? |
| 17:09.44 | ethan-allison | !moo |
| 17:09.44 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 17:09.45 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 17:10.01 | dadsa | HIiiiiiiiiii |
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| 17:10.51 | stew | Mardus: nm==nevermind |
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| 17:10.58 | ethan-allison | i don't wanna cut the power because it's an old machine and when i do the hard drive often gets a lil yunky |
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| 17:11.25 | stew | Mardus: well |
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| 17:11.48 | stew | Mardus: i was saying that doens't look right becuase it should be something like vmlinuz-2.4.18-1-386 not vmlinuz-2.4.18-386 |
| 17:11.50 | asg | ethan-allison: try to ssh into it from another box. |
| 17:11.51 | asg | ethan-allison: try to ssh into it from another box. |
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| 17:11.56 | micker | Got a quick question if anyone is free to help fi a moment... I installed on a laptop with a 6gig hard drive and partitioned it as hda1 ext3 5.3gigs and hda2 swap 700 megs.... cfdisk confirms this, but a df only shows hda as being = to 2.0gigs and no swap. top also says that there is no swap.... |
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| 17:12.23 | Kevin` | swap works better if it's at the beginning of the disk |
| 17:12.25 | Kevin` | random info |
| 17:12.32 | ethan-allison | asg: it doesn't have the power to run ssh, let alone an ethernet port |
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| 17:12.45 | Roey | hi |
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| 17:12.50 | asg | ethan-allison: is it a crappy seagate drive? |
| 17:12.50 | Roey | anyone here using woody? |
| 17:12.53 | stew | Mardus: vmlinuz-2.4.18-386 doesn't sound like a debian kernel |
| 17:12.57 | Mardus | stew: Oh, I thought, then that why were there packages named kernel-image-2.4.18-386 and kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386 in the apt repositories. |
| 17:12.58 | asg | Roey: many people, why |
| 17:12.58 | Mardus | stew: Oh, I thought, then that why were there packages named kernel-image-2.4.18-386 and kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386 in the apt repositories. |
| 17:12.58 | asg | Roey: many people, why |
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| 17:13.12 | cahoot | ProN00b: not trying to be patronizing - but - the odds for you getting a working kernel by this method of researching how to do it, seem rather steep |
| 17:13.13 | Roey | asg: just curious -- we're talking about end-of-life and support in #debian-kde |
| 17:13.28 | mikkael | How can I increase a longer delay between login and shell prompt? I get lots attempted fake account logins trough ssh. I think an extra delay would help. I'm suing debian 3.0. |
| 17:13.33 | ethan-allison | asg: i dunno. the drive's buried deep within the old thing and i don't like taking laptops apart |
| 17:13.40 | Mardus | stew: And apt-get is half-way done installing kernel-image 2.4.18-386... |
| 17:13.41 | asg | Roey: well, I don't run kde on it. I do have an upgrade plan for the servers that haven't already been upgraded. |
| 17:13.41 | asg | Roey: well, I don't run kde on it. I do have an upgrade plan for the servers that haven't already been upgraded. |
| 17:13.52 | asg | ethan-allison: ah, okay. |
| 17:14.08 | ProN00b | cahoot, the odds are actually quite good, because i am using a premade config, i just need to find those config entrys... |
| 17:14.09 | ProN00b | cahoot, the odds are actually quite good, because i am using a premade config, i just need to find those config entrys... |
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| 17:14.15 | Roey | asg: AIUI, woody is supported through 20060606 |
| 17:14.16 | asg | Roey: basically, there's ~12 months of support left unless etch releases first. |
| 17:14.27 | Roey | asg: which means that you can get security updates for it |
| 17:14.31 | Mardus | stew: Just that it's asking me this: "Do you want me to create a link from /boot/initrd.img-2.4.18-386 to initrd.img? [Yn]" |
| 17:14.33 | asg | Roey: yes |
| 17:14.55 | xzu | argh.. "ping 192.168.2.10" -my local ip addres on this box give me: connect: Invalid argument |
| 17:14.56 | cahoot | ProN00b: well they are right before your eyes - hint look at the third section at the top level |
| 17:14.58 | xzu | hints? |
| 17:15.06 | Roey | asg: what's the supposed time frame for a Testing stream to go to Stable? |
| 17:15.06 | xzu | (running sarge) |
| 17:15.10 | TANNO | any who use pinnacle pctv stereo? |
| 17:15.13 | Roey | asg: is it 12-18 months? |
| 17:15.13 | Roey | asg: is it 12-18 months? |
| 17:15.25 | asg | Roey: as always, when it's ready. They are aiming for a faster release but that doesn't mean a lot. |
| 17:15.35 | azeem | asg: unbeliever |
| 17:15.37 | error403 | Dare i ask how long it is likely to be before OpenOffice.org 2 is available in etch? |
| 17:15.41 | asg | xzu: paste the entire command |
| 17:15.45 | ProN00b | cahoot, CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP isn't |
| 17:15.45 | ProN00b | cahoot, CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP isn't |
| 17:15.54 | xzu | ping 192.168.2.2 |
| 17:15.54 | azeem | error403: unknown |
| 17:15.54 | xzu | connect: Invalid argument |
| 17:15.54 | xzu | ping 192.168.2.2 |
| 17:15.54 | azeem | error403: unknown |
| 17:15.54 | xzu | connect: Invalid argument |
| 17:16.05 | Mardus | error403: AFAIK, OpenOffice.org 2 hasn't been released yet. |
| 17:16.08 | asg | azeem: having waited 3 years for sarge, their time managment doesn't fill me with optimizm |
| 17:16.10 | TANNO | any who use pinnacle pctv stereo, private please? |
| 17:16.11 | TANNO | any who use pinnacle pctv stereo, private please? |
| 17:16.12 | azeem | Mardus: it has |
| 17:16.12 | asg | s/zm/sm/ |
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| 17:16.18 | error403 | Mardus, was released a few hours ago |
| 17:16.18 | azeem | asg: heh |
| 17:16.19 | azeem | asg: heh |
| 17:16.20 | error403 | hehe |
| 17:16.24 | error403 | apparently |
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| 17:16.40 | asg | xzu: what debian, sarge? |
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| 17:16.50 | Mardus | error403: Most people learn about it tomorrow. |
| 17:16.51 | Mardus | error403: Most people learn about it tomorrow. |
| 17:16.53 | Roey | asg: ok. I was just thinking that if a Stable release comes out, its support is up to 12 months past the next Stable release. Which, if it takes 12-18 months on average, gives a total support 'window' of 2-2.5 years. That sound correct? |
| 17:16.54 | cahoot | ProN00b: you could search for loop as described earlier |
| 17:16.57 | xzu | asg: yeah |
| 17:16.57 | xzu | asg: yeah |
| 17:16.58 | asg | xzu: what does md5sum /bin/ping print |
| 17:17.08 | stew | Mardus: ah ok, 2.4.18-386 is an older (not security patched) version. you really want 2.4.18-1-386, (2.4.18-5 vs. 2.4.18-13) |
| 17:17.08 | xzu | e77027680b54e5714825dcef378b04ab |
| 17:17.12 | Roey | asg: MS still supported NT4 till last year, right? |
| 17:17.12 | azeem | error403: it will hit unstable within the next week I guess, but when it will make testing largely depends on other things, like the course of ongoing transitions |
| 17:17.12 | Roey | asg: MS still supported NT4 till last year, right? |
| 17:17.13 | azeem | error403: it will hit unstable within the next week I guess, but when it will make testing largely depends on other things, like the course of ongoing transitions |
| 17:17.27 | asg | xzu: hmmm, odd. Maybe you have a broken library. |
| 17:17.30 | xzu | same as some reference box |
| 17:17.37 | TANNO | anyone can help me with the pinnacle pctv stereo? |
| 17:17.48 | abrotman | Roey: not really |
| 17:17.51 | xzu | well i'm having some issues with my wifi card, which barfs at the moment |
| 17:17.57 | asg | xzu: check the shared libs (ldd /bin/ping) with the same method and see if there is a mismatch |
| 17:17.58 | ProN00b | found it, but isn't there a better way to search for config options in there, cahoot ? |
| 17:17.58 | ProN00b | found it, but isn't there a better way to search for config options in there, cahoot ? |
| 17:18.06 | error403 | Ok, does anybody know how to install OpenOffice.org from the official download from OpenOffice.org? All i have are RPMs, which are a little irritating, and the openoffice.org help page ends midsentance |
| 17:18.11 | xzu | -using an old pcmcia card now, which works, but.. weird... |
| 17:18.37 | xzu | asg: done, no mismatch |
| 17:18.42 | xzu | boggle.. |
| 17:18.42 | xzu | boggle.. |
| 17:18.50 | Mardus | stew: Well, I'm going to apt-get the newer kernel-image. I installed the older one, and it even presented me with a LILO configuration. |
| 17:18.50 | asg | xzu: make sure something in your path is not also named ping |
| 17:18.56 | asg | xzu: check aliases also |
| 17:19.09 | asg | xzu: finally, use strace to see if anything odd stands out. |
| 17:19.13 | xzu | which tells me that i'm using the correct one |
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| 17:19.24 | xzu | did that, don't see anything weird :( |
| 17:19.28 | asg | xzu: oh, and if you are using a custom kernel, install a debian one and see if you get the same behaviour |
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| 17:19.46 | abrotman | Roey: http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/productinfo/availability/retiring.asp |
| 17:19.49 | asg | xzu: try /bin/ping <ip> instead of just ping |
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| 17:20.07 | Kevin` | is ping suid? |
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| 17:20.16 | xzu | asg: yeah |
| 17:20.17 | asg | Kevin`: it is by default |
| 17:20.23 | xzu | sowwy, Kevin`: yeah |
| 17:20.24 | Kevin` | asking xzu |
| 17:20.24 | asg | xzu: see what Kevin` just said above |
| 17:20.24 | Kevin` | asking xzu |
| 17:20.25 | asg | xzu: see what Kevin` just said above |
| 17:20.27 | TANNO | anyone can help me with the pinnacle pctv stereo?, i cant config it, pv please |
| 17:20.30 | xzu | -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 30764 2003-12-22 23:18 /bin/ping |
| 17:20.46 | xzu | did it as root too, to be sure |
| 17:20.47 | Mardus | TANNO: Most people don't use private messaging here. |
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| 17:20.51 | jades | which companies provide tech and IT support for debian on a consulting or contract basis? |
| 17:21.04 | abrotman | jades: there's a website for that |
| 17:21.06 | azeem | jades: see www.debian.org |
| 17:21.10 | jades | ok |
| 17:21.12 | azeem | look for consultants |
| 17:21.16 | TANNO | Mardus sorry |
| 17:21.16 | TANNO | Mardus sorry |
| 17:21.32 | dondelelcaro | jades: www.debian.org/consultants |
| 17:21.35 | Kevin` | TANNO out of curiosity, where DO they use pm? |
| 17:21.35 | Kevin` | TANNO out of curiosity, where DO they use pm? |
| 17:21.38 | abrotman | jades: http://www.us.debian.org/consultants/ |
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| 17:21.59 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: you're listed! |
| 17:22.04 | TANNO | Kevin` pm? |
| 17:22.05 | Mardus | Kevin`: hint: Newbieland. |
| 17:22.05 | Mardus | Kevin`: hint: Newbieland. |
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| 17:22.19 | Kevin` | I have yet to find this newbieland, heh ;) |
| 17:22.22 | md5sum | dondelelcaro: hey I was going to ask you (Guerin said you'd probably know) if you know how to enable babelfish and websearches on blootbots ? |
| 17:22.23 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yes... |
| 17:22.25 | xzu | connect(4, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(1025), sin_addr=inet_addr("192.168.2.2")}, 16) = -1 EINVAL (Invalid argument) |
| 17:22.26 | xzu | connect(4, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(1025), sin_addr=inet_addr("192.168.2.2")}, 16) = -1 EINVAL (Invalid argument) |
| 17:22.28 | xzu | argh. |
| 17:22.48 | antgel | abrotman: i'm listed as well. never got any work from it though |
| 17:22.48 | JohnnyST | hi |
| 17:22.48 | antgel | abrotman: i'm listed as well. never got any work from it though |
| 17:22.49 | JohnnyST | hi |
| 17:22.49 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i thought you had a regular job ? |
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| 17:23.02 | asg | xzu: basically what the error said. does any other ip or 'localhost' return the same error |
| 17:23.03 | abrotman | antgel: i just realized there's a guy about 10 miles from my office that's listed |
| 17:23.12 | pel | kdm - login remote host with alt-R does not work for ages: remote host can be selected - but does not get to login prompt. It works fine by other means (e.g. from console), just with kdm it doesn't work. Any ideas? |
| 17:23.12 | JohnnyST | can someone make dep package for me? |
| 17:23.13 | JohnnyST | can someone make dep package for me? |
| 17:23.13 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: I'm a grad student, and consults on the side... |
| 17:23.14 | Mardus | I just typed ls stew in another tty... :-) |
| 17:23.26 | asg | JohnnyST: make your own. /msg dpkg nm guide |
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| 17:23.32 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: ah .. i thought the .edu was your full time employer |
| 17:23.34 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: ah .. i thought the .edu was your full time employer |
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| 17:23.46 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: nah, just a student there. |
| 17:23.56 | [VR]Ghost | wow |
| 17:24.01 | [VR]Ghost | i am ere... finally :) |
| 17:24.06 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: aren't you a little old to be a student? :) |
| 17:24.07 | azeem | welcome |
| 17:24.07 | azeem | welcome |
| 17:24.10 | antgel | abrotman: hmm. you will have to post him a turd. |
| 17:24.22 | abrotman | antgel: people get paid in poo ? |
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| 17:24.31 | md5sum | abrotman: he's a student at Eternal University ;) hehe |
| 17:24.31 | kairo | I make raid 1 on my Debian sarge box with the debian-install. I did use my disks sda and sdb (md0 swap and md1 /). If I remove sdb works fine, but if I remove sda I receive error in the grub (eror 17). I need install grub in the sdb? |
| 17:24.31 | kairo | I make raid 1 on my Debian sarge box with the debian-install. I did use my disks sda and sdb (md0 swap and md1 /). If I remove sdb works fine, but if I remove sda I receive error in the grub (eror 17). I need install grub in the sdb? |
| 17:24.32 | abrotman | hehe .. there's another guy near my office |
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| 17:24.48 | abrotman | and he's the guy who used to run PADS |
| 17:24.48 | abrotman | and he's the guy who used to run PADS |
| 17:24.53 | abrotman | (since i think PADS is dead) |
| 17:25.07 | Mardus | stew: The initrd= part should then look like this: initrd=/boot/initrd.img-2.4.18-1-386 ? |
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| 17:25.22 | abrotman | !pads |
| 17:25.22 | abrotman | !pads |
| 17:25.22 | dpkg | from memory, pads is http://www.cjfearnley.com/pads/ |
| 17:25.22 | dpkg | from memory, pads is http://www.cjfearnley.com/pads/ |
| 17:25.40 | xzu | barf.. i can ping external addys but not my -working network card |
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| 17:25.50 | antgel | abrotman: i'm reinstalling. this better not be hardware. i'm staring at 17% of a netinstall. the bit i'm looking forward to it typing the same ldap dn strings in 20 different places. grr |
| 17:25.55 | xzu | (gives me EINVAL) |
| 17:26.11 | abrotman | antgel: no real backups to speak of ? |
| 17:26.17 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: not a grad student, no. |
| 17:26.17 | Kevin` | xzu ifconfig .. link encap? |
| 17:26.35 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: is fearnley still active in debian(or was he ever?) |
| 17:26.47 | antgel | abrotman: it's a new install. this makes me even more twitchy |
| 17:26.58 | abrotman | antgel: this is gonna be a long day eh? |
| 17:27.21 | pel | kairo: sure you do - how else should the system know about your disk if the first one fails? |
| 17:27.23 | antgel | abrotman: yeah. i'm relying on #debian and this bottle of water for amusement :) |
| 17:27.26 | at0m|c | pads is also passive.sf.net, Passive Asset Detection System |
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| 17:27.32 | abrotman | antgel: want me to dance? |
| 17:27.46 | antgel | abrotman: only clothed |
| 17:27.48 | abrotman | at0m|c: pads is the Philly Area Debian Society or something |
| 17:27.50 | abrotman | !dance |
| 17:27.55 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: I have no idea |
| 17:28.04 | md5sum | "101 Uses for a Bottle of Water" by antgel -- now on amazon.com |
| 17:28.04 | at0m|c | abrotman, ye read it |
| 17:28.20 | md5sum | User rating: 2 stars |
| 17:28.20 | antgel | 1. quench thirst. |
| 17:28.20 | md5sum | User rating: 2 stars |
| 17:28.20 | antgel | 1. quench thirst. |
| 17:28.23 | abrotman | haha .. my boss met fearnley .. i only just now realized it |
| 17:29.05 | Kevin` | xzu ? |
| 17:29.09 | xzu | Kevin`: nope, but well... its prolly something weird with my ipw2200 firmware |
| 17:29.22 | xzu | Kevin`: what exactely do you mean by your last comment? |
| 17:29.29 | antgel | review: "chapter 1: 2/10. chapter 2: 5/10. etc" |
| 17:29.32 | Kevin` | what does link encap say |
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| 17:29.51 | xzu | ah . sowwy, Ethernet |
| 17:29.57 | xzu | eth2 Link encap:Ethernet |
| 17:30.02 | Kevin` | :/ |
| 17:30.12 | tutub | hi. im trying to install debian on a 2.5" usb hdd via usb connector as my laptop doesnt come with any floppy/cdrom. i did a install from my desktop using a netinst cd. after the installation i replace back the hdd into my laptop and i get the error -- /sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console: No such file. --- anyone have any idea? |
| 17:30.17 | Roey | abrotman: interesting, MS supported NT through hotfixes and phone support till this year |
| 17:30.23 | md5sum | antgel: I especially liked your chapter on "Pouring on Hot Women at Fundraiser Carwashes" |
| 17:30.23 | md5sum | antgel: I especially liked your chapter on "Pouring on Hot Women at Fundraiser Carwashes" |
| 17:30.30 | xzu | tutub: why are you talking in morse too? |
| 17:30.30 | halibut | how can I search for all files in a folder that have a filename length longer than 103 characters? |
| 17:30.45 | tutub | xyz: ?? huh |
| 17:30.48 | kairo | pel: I go to try this, thanx. |
| 17:30.49 | Mardus | stew (or anyone else, for that matter...): I'm installing kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386, now apt-get says that I am attempting to install an initrd kernel image and the bootloader has to be configured to use initrd. In order to configure lilo, I'd "need to add an 'initrd=/initrd.img' to the image=/vmlinuz stanza" of my /etc/lilo.conf. What does adding an 'initrd=/initrd.img' to the image=vmlinuz stanza of my /etc/lilo.conf mean anyway? |
| 17:30.52 | grendal_prime | asg i found it...its not named anthying like what you would figer |
| 17:30.53 | abrotman | Roey: kind of .. you had to pay .. and a lot |
| 17:30.54 | grendal_prime | thanks |
| 17:30.58 | grendal_prime | see ya guys |
| 17:31.03 | Kevin` | tutub kernel may not know where to find root, although the error should have occured sooner |
| 17:31.04 | Roey | abrotman: hehe |
| 17:31.17 | antgel | Mardus: man lilo.conf |
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| 17:31.37 | Sir_LeChucK | hello #debian =) |
| 17:31.40 | md5sum | okay I've been trying to find out how the hell to do this for days: does ANYONE have a clue how to enable babelfish and websearches on a blootbot ?? heh |
| 17:31.47 | tutub | kevin, dont quite understand. thanks anyway |
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| 17:32.00 | ethan-allison | md5sum: i'd tell you, but i have no idea what a blootbot is |
| 17:32.03 | Genghis_ | anyone an idea on where to find a kernel patch to restrict the ps aux as a normal user? |
| 17:32.17 | Genghis_ | can't find a patch for 2.6.x kernel |
| 17:32.19 | Kevin` | tutub well I don't completely understand what you did, so we're even |
| 17:32.19 | md5sum | ethan-allison: lol |
| 17:32.19 | Kevin` | tutub well I don't completely understand what you did, so we're even |
| 17:32.19 | md5sum | ethan-allison: lol |
| 17:32.24 | Mardus | antgel: man lilo.conf does not contain word 'stanza'. Could anyone explain this to me in human speak? |
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| 17:32.33 | antgel | !dict stanza |
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| 17:32.33 | antgel | !dict stanza |
| 17:32.35 | dpkg | Dictionary 'stanza' (1 of 2): Horace confines himself strictly to one sort of verse, or stanza, in every ode. --Dryden.. |
| 17:32.37 | Roey | abrotman: if memory serves me, people found that "upgrading" from nt4 to 2003 (or even 2000) meant reinstalling a newer version of Windows. |
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| 17:32.46 | antgel | good enough |
| 17:32.56 | Bobson | greetings |
| 17:33.01 | Kevin` | tutub however, to install to a computer like that, I have in the past taken out the hard drive and used a usb encloser and qemu + the cd images |
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| 17:33.07 | abrotman | Roey: i haven't attempted any win32 server upgrades .. but it owuldn't surprise me |
| 17:33.09 | Sir_LeChucK | hello, i have a presario R3000 and can't get my ACPI working... im using the last debian... in my dmesg i have this: ACPI: LAPIC (acpi_id[0x00] lapic_id[0x00] enabled) ACPI: LAPIC_NMI (acpi_id[0x00] high edge lint[0x1]) shpchp: acpi_shpchprm:get_device PCI ROOT HID fail=0x1001 pciehp: acpi_pciehprm:get_device PCI ROOT HID fail=0x1001 |
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| 17:33.15 | md5sum | Genghis_: I've never done it, but I'd assume you could set permissions to 700 on ps as root |
| 17:33.18 | Roey | abrotman: oh wow... you're using nt4?? |
| 17:33.19 | Mardus | antgel: No, not good enough. It does not say what to do, only that I have to add something to something else's stanza. I mean, can't you use normal English? |
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| 17:33.30 | antgel | !dict plonk |
| 17:33.30 | antgel | !dict plonk |
| 17:33.32 | dpkg | Dictionary 'plonk' (1 of 4): <networking, abuse> (Possibly influenced by British slang "plonk" for cheap booze, or "plonker" for someone behaving stupidly; usually written "*plonk*") The sound a newbie makes as he falls to the bottom of a kill file. While this term originated in the Usenet newsgroup news:talk.bizarre, by 1994 it was widespread on Usenet and mailing lists as a form of public ridicule.. |
| 17:33.34 | abrotman | Roey: they stay what they are installed as .. we have a single NT4(it's our PDC) left |
| 17:33.35 | antgel | *plonk* |
| 17:33.38 | Roey | abrotman: may I ask what kind of mission-critical apps you're using on it? |
| 17:33.40 | Roey | abrotman: ahhh |
| 17:33.43 | Bobson | any idea which assembler to install in order to have aclocal find AM_PROG_AS ? |
| 17:33.46 | Genghis_ | md5sum: i don't wonna forbid a ps, that would be dumb anyway |
| 17:33.46 | Genghis_ | md5sum: i don't wonna forbid a ps, that would be dumb anyway |
| 17:33.54 | Roey | abrotman: so you're using it as a PDC. |
| 17:33.56 | abrotman | Roey: mostly MSSQL and the PDC .. everything else is linux |
| 17:34.02 | md5sum | heh |
| 17:34.09 | Genghis_ | i just wonna make it so that a ps aux would only show the user his processes |
| 17:34.13 | Genghis_ | not the entire list |
| 17:34.13 | abrotman | Roey: i even got samba to hook into the NT4 PDC for auth |
| 17:34.21 | tarzeau | takatumi: there? |
| 17:34.26 | Bobson | *: ? |
| 17:34.26 | abrotman | Genghis_: ps -u <username> |
| 17:34.29 | Roey | abrotman: heh. I wonder if I can use Exchange with an OpenLDAP server |
| 17:34.37 | abrotman | Roey: in what respect ? |
| 17:34.37 | Roey | abrotman: instead of with a DC |
| 17:34.44 | Sir_LeChucK | anyone knows how can i fix my acpi problem =) ? |
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| 17:34.47 | Genghis_ | abrotman: you did not even read what i asked |
| 17:34.47 | abrotman | Roey: i believe you can .. i've not attempted it |
| 17:34.48 | Roey | abrotman: well, we use AD here |
| 17:34.49 | Roey | abrotman: well, we use AD here |
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| 17:34.56 | abrotman | Genghis_: yes i did |
| 17:34.59 | Kevin` | Genghis_ I HATE when people do that to ps/proc :) |
| 17:35.02 | tarzeau | takatumi: #bub-n-bros now |
| 17:35.02 | Mardus | antgel: That's not the point. apt-get is telling me to add something to something else's stanza, but it doesn't not explain what it doesn't say what it means by that. |
| 17:35.02 | Mardus | antgel: That's not the point. apt-get is telling me to add something to something else's stanza, but it doesn't not explain what it doesn't say what it means by that. |
| 17:35.09 | abrotman | Roey: you could try .. not sure |
| 17:35.10 | Mardus | * but it doesn't |
| 17:35.11 | Roey | abrotman: the workstations are XP, the servers are '03. |
| 17:35.20 | abrotman | Roey: better than NT4 all around :) |
| 17:35.25 | Mardus | antget: * But it doesn't explain what it means by that |
| 17:35.32 | Genghis_ | abrotman: (Genghis_) anyone an idea on where to find a kernel patch to restrict the ps aux as a normal user? |
| 17:35.33 | abrotman | Genghis_: if you worded it poorly .. try again |
| 17:35.33 | abrotman | Genghis_: if you worded it poorly .. try again |
| 17:35.42 | Sir_LeChucK | =( |
| 17:35.50 | Genghis_ | whats so poorly bout that huh |
| 17:35.50 | Roey | abrotman: at least NT4 is fully emulatable by Samba. Win2k3 adds new-style kerberos authentication for AD domains |
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| 17:35.53 | abrotman | Genghis_: sorry .. yes .. that part i missed .. carry on :) |
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| 17:36.07 | abrotman | Roey: which afaik .. you can replicate with LDAP |
| 17:36.08 | Kevin` | Genghis_ why is the process list sensitive |
| 17:36.10 | Bobson | *: Hepl, Pleae! |
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| 17:36.25 | tarzeau | abrotman: still at werk? |
| 17:36.27 | abrotman | god .. spam bots suck |
| 17:36.37 | Roey | abrotman: I heard it's not an uninvolved process. |
| 17:36.38 | phaedral | hi all; i'm toying with the idea of the latest wget, which can handle sessionid cookies---but it threatens to break things |
| 17:36.38 | abrotman | tarzeau: yes .. all day .. every day .. i'm moving to switzerland though! |
| 17:36.44 | phaedral | clues, comments? |
| 17:36.45 | abrotman | Roey: so i've heard .. |
| 17:36.46 | Bobson | *: s/pl/lp |
| 17:36.46 | Bobson | *: s/pl/lp |
| 17:36.50 | Genghis_ | Kevin`: other users should not be able to see what and where other processes run |
| 17:37.01 | tarzeau | abrotman: if i knew you were'nt kidding i'd invite you |
| 17:37.08 | Kevin` | Genghis_ why? |
| 17:37.12 | Roey | abrotman: I mean, just setting up Bind to work correctly with the AD servers was enough a pain |
| 17:37.15 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'd move though :) |
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| 17:37.25 | Genghis_ | Kevin`: privacy |
| 17:37.25 | Genghis_ | Kevin`: privacy |
| 17:37.25 | abrotman | Roey: that i didn't do .. |
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| 17:37.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: if you ever happen to be around in switzerland, tell me and we'll have some fun |
| 17:37.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: if you ever happen to be around in switzerland, tell me and we'll have some fun |
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| 17:37.51 | abrotman | tarzeau: you know it! .. we can bubnbros together! |
| 17:37.51 | abrotman | tarzeau: you know it! .. we can bubnbros together! |
| 17:37.54 | Roey | abrotman: so what's this thing about moving to Switzerland? |
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| 17:37.57 | Roey | abrotman: you have family there? |
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| 17:38.25 | Mardus | Can anyone translate this to normal English: "add an 'initrd=/initrd.img' to the image=/vmlinuz stanza of my /etc/lilo.conf" -- Now, I understand the part that says I have to edit /etc/lilo.conf and change something there. But I don't understand where exactly do I add the 'initrd=/initrd.img' part. |
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| 17:38.36 | tarzeau | Roey: we've got the best pot |
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| 17:38.42 | antgel | abrotman: can i have your old house? |
| 17:38.44 | Roey | tarzeau: it's not legal though.. just decrimmed |
| 17:38.52 | Kevin` | Mardus after the image= line, somewhere in there |
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| 17:39.18 | abrotman | antgel: irent |
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| 17:39.24 | Roey | tarzeau: for purposes of answering 'no' to the question "have you ever abused illegal drugs" on a government form to obtain Secret clearance, you won't be able to do it. |
| 17:39.26 | Mardus | Kevin`: Thanks, but "somewhere in there" is vague. |
| 17:39.26 | Mardus | Kevin`: Thanks, but "somewhere in there" is vague. |
| 17:39.27 | abrotman | Roey: part of my family is from austria |
| 17:39.31 | Roey | abrotman: ahhh. |
| 17:39.36 | Roey | abrotman: ok that explains your last name |
| 17:39.37 | abrotman | Roey: but no .. no family there |
| 17:39.37 | abrotman | Roey: but no .. no family there |
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| 17:39.49 | abrotman | Roey: no .. my last name is a kludge of a russian name |
| 17:40.00 | Kevin` | Mardus the placement can be vague, and really should be obvious if it the file is layed out well |
| 17:40.10 | Roey | abrotman: I thought you were Jewish.. I have a friend whose last name sounds simliar to yours (Broitman) |
| 17:40.19 | Mardus | Kevin`: If the file is laid out well how and where? |
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| 17:40.29 | Roey | abrotman: from yidish, broyt meaning bread. |
| 17:40.29 | Roey | abrotman: from yidish, broyt meaning bread. |
| 17:40.30 | abrotman | Roey: yes .. i am catholic/jewish .. i was baptised and had a bar mitzvah |
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| 17:40.32 | Kevin` | gah just pastebin it |
| 17:40.32 | Kevin` | gah just pastebin it |
| 17:40.33 | antgel | oy vey |
| 17:40.35 | Roey | abrotman: heh |
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| 17:40.45 | abrotman | Roey: yeah .. i'm going to hell either way :) |
| 17:40.45 | abrotman | Roey: yeah .. i'm going to hell either way :) |
| 17:40.49 | Roey | HA |
| 17:40.53 | secher_ | this is so frustrating. I've moved the ipmasq, ipmasq-kmod, iptables and my firewall.sh script from /etc/init.d. I've removed linuxconf also. I still have iptables rulesets loaded on boot. Does anyone have an idea as to where they could be coming from? |
| 17:40.57 | Mardus | Roey: brot means bread in German. |
| 17:40.59 | Roey | abrotman: what brings you to Switzerland then? |
| 17:40.59 | Roey | abrotman: what brings you to Switzerland then? |
| 17:41.01 | Roey | Mardus: well yes :) |
| 17:41.05 | abrotman | Roey: and yes .. my dad's side(from russia/lithuania) is jewish |
| 17:41.06 | halibut | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:41.12 | abrotman | Roey: nothing in particular |
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| 17:41.17 | tarzeau | Roey: can you rephrase that in a easier way for non english native speaking people? |
| 17:41.20 | Roey | Mardus: see, in Yidish you have oy instead of straight 'o' |
| 17:41.21 | secher_ | abrotman: you out of here? |
| 17:41.21 | secher_ | abrotman: you out of here? |
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| 17:41.26 | abrotman | secher_: no .. nto really |
| 17:41.27 | astronut | when will OO.o 2.0 hit sid? |
| 17:41.34 | Roey | tarzeau: ah, ok |
| 17:41.34 | abrotman | astronut: ask #debian-oo |
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| 17:41.57 | abrotman | astronut: an RC is now in experimental |
| 17:42.06 | Mardus | Roey: Mhmh. |
| 17:42.13 | secher_ | abrotman: Oh, from the conversation I thought you were moving to Switzerland. |
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| 17:42.25 | astronut | abrotman: it just rleased |
| 17:42.33 | Roey | tarzeau: I said that pot is (please correct me if I'm mistaken) decriminalized in Switzerland, but not "legal". So you won't be able to answer "no" on a form to obtain government clearance if the question asks "have you ever abused illegal drugs" |
| 17:42.33 | Roey | tarzeau: I said that pot is (please correct me if I'm mistaken) decriminalized in Switzerland, but not "legal". So you won't be able to answer "no" on a form to obtain government clearance if the question asks "have you ever abused illegal drugs" |
| 17:42.38 | antgel | let's all download it |
| 17:42.42 | abrotman | secher_: nah |
| 17:42.44 | maddog666 | hey :) my lvm stuff have disappeared during reboot.. pvscan returns no unit.. any idea how to recover it? |
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| 17:42.49 | abrotman | astronut: i know .. i said .. RC in experimental |
| 17:42.54 | Roey | Mardus: bist Du von Deutschland? |
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| 17:43.00 | Roey | Duetschland. |
| 17:43.00 | Roey | Duetschland. |
| 17:43.22 | astronut | abrotman: sorry.. |
| 17:43.23 | ethan-allison | Roey: it's Deutschland |
| 17:43.32 | Roey | ethan-allison: awesome, thanks |
| 17:43.36 | abrotman | astronut: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?version=all&subword=0&exact=0&arch=any&releases=all&case=insensitive&keywords=openoffice.org2&searchon=names |
| 17:43.42 | tarzeau | Roey: yes it's not legal, but you won't be killed or put in prison of you get caught with small amounts of it |
| 17:43.43 | Mardus | Roey: Nee, Estland. btw, I understand German well, though writing and composing sentences is more difficult. |
| 17:43.43 | Mardus | Roey: Nee, Estland. btw, I understand German well, though writing and composing sentences is more difficult. |
| 17:44.08 | Kevin` | heh killed |
| 17:44.32 | Roey | Mardus: how does someone who speaks Estonian know German?? |
| 17:44.38 | Roey | tarzeau: heh |
| 17:44.47 | pipeline | Roey: Estonia is within spitting distance of areas that speak german? :P |
| 17:44.47 | pipeline | Roey: Estonia is within spitting distance of areas that speak german? :P |
| 17:44.49 | maddog666 | I only speak russian and japonese |
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| 17:44.51 | Roey | tarzeau: you're not put in prison in the US either |
| 17:44.59 | maddog666 | anatawa okama deska ne |
| 17:45.00 | pipeline | maddog666: You put on a good show of speaking english :P |
| 17:45.00 | pipeline | maddog666: You put on a good show of speaking english :P |
| 17:45.03 | Roey | tarzeau: they just place heavy restrictions on you in the future |
| 17:45.04 | maddog666 | :P |
| 17:45.10 | tarzeau | Roey: what about other drugs? |
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| 17:45.14 | Roey | tarzeau: and it goes on your record, and you are denied Federal loans |
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| 17:45.19 | Roey | tarzeau: you can have orange juice :P |
| 17:45.19 | pipeline | Roey: Uh, riiiiight. |
| 17:45.19 | pipeline | Roey: Uh, riiiiight. |
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| 17:45.23 | pipeline | Roey: It's a state by state thing. |
| 17:45.25 | Mardus | Kevin`: Don't laugh. There are some South-East Asian countries where there have been killing sprees for real or alleged possession of any type of drugs. |
| 17:45.29 | pipeline | Roey: Where I live, you'll do time for possession. |
| 17:45.31 | Roey | pipeline: well I know for Maryland at least. |
| 17:45.31 | Roey | pipeline: well I know for Maryland at least. |
| 17:45.37 | Kevin` | I didn't laugh |
| 17:45.37 | halibut | in kde find, * in a multicharacter wildcard, what is it for a single character? |
| 17:45.37 | Kevin` | I didn't laugh |
| 17:45.37 | halibut | in kde find, * in a multicharacter wildcard, what is it for a single character? |
| 17:45.38 | abrotman | antgel: how goes the rescue ? |
| 17:45.40 | Roey | pipeline: first-time incidents??? |
| 17:45.45 | Mardus | pipeline is right, but not quite. |
| 17:46.05 | tarzeau | Roey: orange juice is not a drug |
| 17:46.07 | pipeline | Roey: Anything over 28 grams is a felony. You'll never hold a job. If you have it in more than one bag, it's a felony. If you have baggies on hand when you're busted, it's a felony. And so on. |
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| 17:46.34 | pipeline | Roey: You'll almost certainly do some time in jail even for misdemeanor possession, unless you're caught in a major metropolitan area. Either way, several years of probation. |
| 17:46.41 | Mardus | Kevin`: You said "heh" |
| 17:46.43 | Roey | pipeline: a friend of mine (we're in Maryland) was stopped for possession; he did community service or some such thing and it got removed from the docket ("charges were dropped"). So he hasn't been "convicted" technically, though the fact that he /was/ arrested probably will hurt him in the long run. |
| 17:46.51 | tarzeau | pipeline: 28 grams of what? some people were put in jail for lifetime for only 2grams of LSD |
| 17:46.58 | pipeline | tarzeau: 28 grams of marijuana. |
| 17:47.02 | Roey | pipeline: well he was caught with what, a gram? |
| 17:47.04 | Kevin` | "heh" isn't a full laugh.. to me |
| 17:47.04 | Kevin` | "heh" isn't a full laugh.. to me |
| 17:47.12 | pipeline | tarzeau: Possession of LSD in any amount is a felony, IIRC. :p |
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| 17:47.13 | pipeline | tarzeau: Possession of LSD in any amount is a felony, IIRC. :p |
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| 17:47.15 | Roey | pipeline: my friend was caught with a gram.. |
| 17:47.15 | maddog666 | how to recover lvm? |
| 17:47.15 | Roey | pipeline: my friend was caught with a gram.. |
| 17:47.15 | maddog666 | how to recover lvm? |
| 17:47.20 | pipeline | maddog666: Fervent prayer. |
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| 17:47.38 | maddog666 | pipeline: sniff |
| 17:47.39 | pipeline | Roey: That helps. Was he also under eighteen? :P |
| 17:47.43 | Roey | Kevin`: it's one level up from "meh", eh? :) |
| 17:47.45 | ethan-allison | if you're in switzerland, it's how long of a drive to amsterdam? |
| 17:47.45 | ethan-allison | if you're in switzerland, it's how long of a drive to amsterdam? |
| 17:47.48 | maddog666 | any fervernt prayer around? |
| 17:47.48 | Roey | pipeline: above eighteen |
| 17:47.51 | maddog666 | I need some "holy" help |
| 17:47.57 | tarzeau | pipeline: here the selling/byuing/owning/advertising it is felony too |
| 17:47.58 | Kevin` | meh |
| 17:47.58 | Kevin` | meh |
| 17:47.59 | Roey | pipeline: hw was denied federal college loans past that point. |
| 17:47.59 | Roey | pipeline: hw was denied federal college loans past that point. |
| 17:48.06 | tarzeau | pipeline: there's a whole list of other drugs at www.swissmedic.ch |
| 17:48.09 | pipeline | Roey: It could have been a lot wors. |
| 17:48.12 | Roey | pipeline: I think that this will hurt his chances of acquiring citizenship. |
| 17:48.44 | Mardus | ethan-allison: You have to drive thru Germany, I think... Anything that's between Switzerland and Holland. |
| 17:48.48 | Roey | pipeline: we've had kids busted in my alma mater for selling four pounds of cannabis out of their dorm room. |
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| 17:49.25 | pipeline | Roey: That's a bum rap. No way to weasel out of a felony when you're talking that kind of quantity :( |
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| 17:49.47 | Roey | what boggles me about Europe is the sheer wealth of languages there; you have a continuum of languages as you move in any direction. It can be Spanish, or French, or Spanish-French like Catalan, etc. |
| 17:50.15 | maddog666 | p0rn |
| 17:50.16 | Mardus | Roey: Catalan is not Spanish-French, AFAIK. |
| 17:50.20 | tarzeau | Roey: Roey it's not that bad |
| 17:50.27 | tarzeau | Roey: you get quite far with say 4 languages |
| 17:50.28 | gonzaloaf | hello, if I compiled the kernel 2.6.11 is ok this final message? : make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8' |
| 17:50.28 | gonzaloaf | hello, if I compiled the kernel 2.6.11 is ok this final message? : make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8' |
| 17:50.32 | Roey | Mardus: yeah yeah I know :) |
| 17:50.32 | Roey | Mardus: yeah yeah I know :) |
| 17:50.49 | Kevin` | gonzaloaf that is not a bad mewssage |
| 17:50.52 | Mardus | Roey: And my learning to understand German came from watching "Star Trek: Das Nächste Generation" on German TV almost every day for many years. |
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| 17:51.06 | Roey | tarzeau: I suppose that English and German and Hungarian/Estonian would cover most of it yes? |
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| 17:51.15 | gonzaloaf | Kevin: instead of 2.6.8 have to be 2.6.11? |
| 17:51.21 | Mardus | Roey: Or "Der"... Anyways, TNG in German. |
| 17:51.21 | Mardus | Roey: Or "Der"... Anyways, TNG in German. |
| 17:51.23 | Kevin` | gonzaloaf if you haven't done an commands yet, echo $? |
| 17:51.30 | Roey | Mardus: oh I remmeber watching that in Israel.. that was funny to hear Worf in German |
| 17:51.30 | Kevin` | will tell you error state |
| 17:51.31 | antgel | abrotman: selected packages in aptitude. 15 minutes download to go. water nearly empty. all systems go. |
| 17:51.31 | antgel | abrotman: selected packages in aptitude. 15 minutes download to go. water nearly empty. all systems go. |
| 17:51.46 | Roey | Mardus: auf RTL |
| 17:51.53 | Mardus | Roey: Hungarian and Estonian are sibling languages, but not very close anymore. |
| 17:51.56 | tarzeau | Roey: i've more likely thought of french, german, english and italian or spanish |
| 17:52.11 | Roey | Mardus: I thought that if you understand one you understand the other..? |
| 17:52.24 | gonzaloaf | Kevin: Why the message says kernel 2.6.8 if I compiled 2.6.11? |
| 17:52.30 | Mardus | Roey: Estonian and Finnish are phonetically close. So are Estonian and Livonian, but there are only about 150 Livonians left. Livonian is probably a mix of Estonian and Latvian to some degreee. |
| 17:52.38 | antgel | gonzaloaf: you knobbed it up |
| 17:52.46 | Roey | Mardus: sorry, I meant Lithuanian and Estonian. My apologies. |
| 17:52.53 | ethan-allison | holland = netherlands right |
| 17:52.59 | Roey | Mardus: you can understand Lithuanian? |
| 17:53.10 | Kevin` | gonzaloaf ya, seems you did something wrong.. but, I've never used the debian tools to compile |
| 17:53.16 | dkj3 | www.commit1.com |
| 17:53.18 | dkj3 | is looking nice |
| 17:53.22 | dkj3 | anyone familiar? |
| 17:53.22 | Mardus | Roey: Lithuanian and Estonian are not sibling languages, nor do I understand Lithuanian. I am saying that Estonian and Finnish are close. |
| 17:53.29 | Mardus | ethan-allison: Right. |
| 17:53.39 | tarzeau | it's fantastic how far you get with turkish in the east |
| 17:53.40 | Roey | Mardus: corrected again, thanks!!! *that* is what I meant... Estonian and Finnish. |
| 17:53.45 | Roey | Mardus: sorry, I'm tired today.. |
| 17:53.45 | Roey | Mardus: sorry, I'm tired today.. |
| 17:54.01 | Roey | tarzeau: hrm. Might as well learn Arabic then |
| 17:54.12 | tarzeau | Roey: whole different thing |
| 17:54.14 | Roey | tarzeau: because it's popping up all over Europe. |
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| 17:54.16 | ethan-allison | it's like 300 miles from swissy to weedy |
| 17:54.24 | Roey | tarzeau: turkish is not indo-european or even semitic |
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| 17:54.31 | Roey | tarzeau: that's right |
| 17:54.37 | Mardus | tarzeau: If you spoke fluent Arabic and English and if you were a U.S. citizen, you could be recruited into CIA. |
| 17:54.55 | abrotman | or arrested |
| 17:55.00 | Roey | I'm a citizen.. I thyink I want to learn Arabic. |
| 17:55.14 | Roey | it shouldn't be hard.. I speak Hebrew... I mean.. come on, the grammars are almost identical. |
| 17:55.21 | abrotman | heh |
| 17:55.32 | antgel | Roey: mah anyanim? |
| 17:55.35 | Roey | Sometimes I can "hear" the Hebrew when I read Arabic. |
| 17:55.36 | abrotman | Roey: can you translate it though ? |
| 17:55.37 | gonzaloaf | Kevin: how do you recompile? |
| 17:55.44 | Roey | antgel: hakol kwayes. |
| 17:55.49 | abrotman | Roey: i probably couldn't remember the shimah |
| 17:55.53 | Roey | abrotman: arabic? only a few things |
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| 17:56.01 | antgel | Roey: i don't speak chinese ;) |
| 17:56.04 | ethan-allison | Roey: if i remember correctly, doesn't arabic have twice as many kinds of verb families |
| 17:56.04 | Kevin` | gonzaloaf using the normal method for a linux kernel |
| 17:56.05 | Kevin` | gonzaloaf using the normal method for a linux kernel |
| 17:56.10 | Roey | abrotman: shma israel adonai eloheynu adonai echad? |
| 17:56.16 | pipeline | Roey: Hell, why not. Arabic is a hell of a job skill in this day and age. |
| 17:56.18 | abrotman | Roey: no .. hebrew .. i went to a very lax synogogue .. we didn't learn how to transate .. just read/speak it |
| 17:56.23 | abrotman | translate |
| 17:56.27 | antgel | i swear i'm hallucinating |
| 17:56.31 | Roey | ethan-allison: well the thing is.. hebrew had 16 verb families but today we only use certain forms for certain verbs. |
| 17:56.34 | pipeline | antgel: Well, have fun, man. |
| 17:56.35 | nvz | damn, I managed to loose a window again |
| 17:56.38 | abrotman | antgel: too much hummus ? |
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| 17:56.51 | Roey | pipeline: PLUS I work in information security |
| 17:56.52 | antgel | pipeline: don't like it. prefer control |
| 17:56.59 | Roey | pipeline: maybe learning Arabic would be beneficial. |
| 17:57.02 | ethan-allison | Roey: aren't there only 6-7 left? |
| 17:57.02 | ethan-allison | Roey: aren't there only 6-7 left? |
| 17:57.05 | Roey | pipeline: and Mandarin chinese. |
| 17:57.24 | gonzaloaf | Kevin: must be better doing that as debian way |
| 17:57.24 | antgel | abrotman: no such thing. had the worst lunch. a "southern chicken" wrap. only southern thing was that it tasted like my arse |
| 17:57.25 | pipeline | Roey: You could spend your life studying mandarin. And still suck at it. |
| 17:57.25 | pipeline | Roey: You could spend your life studying mandarin. And still suck at it. |
| 17:57.25 | tarzeau | Roey: yes it's falling into altaic |
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| 17:57.33 | nvz | I cant imagine why nautilus runs at -4 instead of -16 it just gives me way too many layers to loose windows beneath it |
| 17:57.37 | Kevin` | gonzaloaf "as"? |
| 17:57.42 | Roey | ethan-allison: well they're all there. Some verbs have forms 1-4, say, and others have 3-10 and oethers may be just form 12 |
| 17:57.55 | antgel | pipeline: interesting |
| 17:58.03 | abrotman | antgel: i made southern fried catfish a few weeks ago :) |
| 17:58.04 | abrotman | antgel: i made southern fried catfish a few weeks ago :) |
| 17:58.05 | tarzeau | asia and arabia are whole completely countries if you look at languages of their countries |
| 17:58.06 | Kevin` | gonzaloaf it's not better unless you know what your doing, and even then you don't get the auto stuff |
| 17:58.06 | Kevin` | gonzaloaf it's not better unless you know what your doing, and even then you don't get the auto stuff |
| 17:58.10 | Roey | pipeline: up to you man... I'm a strong believer that it depends on how much you apply yourself |
| 17:58.17 | abrotman | where's thomas_adam .. i should tell him about that! |
| 17:58.23 | ethan-allison | Roey: well this isn't good ... i need to be conversational in hebrew by mid-june |
| 17:58.24 | pipeline | Roey: Mandarin is uh, shall we say, challenging. |
| 17:58.29 | antgel | abrotman: please keep your toilet habits out of this public forum |
| 17:58.31 | Roey | ethan-allison: how so? |
| 17:58.32 | antgel | ethan-allison: easy peasy |
| 17:58.32 | antgel | ethan-allison: easy peasy |
| 17:58.54 | Roey | ethan-allison: you're in md |
| 17:58.59 | pipeline | Roey: Dozens of dialects. Three written languages. And it's a tonal language to boot. |
| 17:59.00 | abrotman | antgel: it was yummy |
| 17:59.02 | Roey | ethan-allison: hey, where in? |
| 17:59.02 | tarzeau | hi antgel |
| 17:59.12 | antgel | hello tarzeau |
| 17:59.18 | Roey | ethan-allison: I meant montana. Or maine. Or whatever mn means :) |
| 17:59.25 | pipeline | Minnesota. |
| 17:59.25 | abrotman | maine is ME |
| 17:59.29 | ethan-allison | Roey: what? no, minnesota. i'm going on vacation to israel nex' summer |
| 17:59.29 | abrotman | MD is maryland |
| 17:59.30 | abrotman | MD is maryland |
| 17:59.36 | Mardus | nvz: It's better than shitty '80's pop music. |
| 17:59.42 | pipeline | Mardus: Lies. |
| 17:59.44 | nvz | Mardus: touche |
| 17:59.51 | Roey | pipeline: tonal doesn't scare me... it's the continous spectrum of dialects that does. |
| 18:00.11 | Roey | ethan-allison: wow, you have family there? |
| 18:00.13 | pipeline | Roey: If tonal doesn't scare you, there's something wrong. It means that you will never be more than marginally comprehensible. |
| 18:00.16 | antgel | i had the funniest mpg of a young band playing that song |
| 18:00.17 | antgel | i had the funniest mpg of a young band playing that song |
| 18:00.35 | pipeline | antgel: Yes, the original band. The "funny mpg" is their music video that's posted on their web site. |
| 18:00.38 | Roey | pipeline: well I do play piano.. since like.. age 7... and I love languages. |
| 18:00.43 | ethan-allison | Roey: nope. my mom's graduating from cantorial school and the certification ceremonies are in israel next year |
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| 18:00.51 | pipeline | Roey: Uh, have fun. Foolhardiness. |
| 18:00.54 | Roey | ethan-allison: congrats :) |
| 18:00.56 | Roey | pipeline: thanks! :) |
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| 18:00.59 | Mardus | pipeline: I didn't lie. In any way, 1980's pop music is worse than that of 1990's. Now, there was a difference as to whether 1990's shitty pop music is better than 1980's shitty pop music. In conclusion, both are crap. |
| 18:01.00 | pipeline | Roey: Hearing is the easy part. |
| 18:01.04 | Roey | pipeline: so what are you trying to say, not to learn it? |
| 18:01.04 | halibut | is there a shortcut to expand all nodes in a tree view? |
| 18:01.04 | Roey | pipeline: so what are you trying to say, not to learn it? |
| 18:01.05 | halibut | is there a shortcut to expand all nodes in a tree view? |
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| 18:01.16 | Roey | ethan-allison: you're reform? |
| 18:01.22 | nvz | now I know why this song poped into my head on the way back from the store and I was singing it the whole way home and had to play it.. |
| 18:01.26 | Roey | ethan-allison: (since your mother is going to be a cantor) |
| 18:01.32 | antgel | pipeline: even funnier than the original band. sort of young scandanavian thing. hilarous. |
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| 18:01.37 | nvz | I am tired, so the connection escaped me until now |
| 18:02.08 | ethan-allison | Roey: my family is; i myself am not into the whole worship thing. course, conservatives have cantors too |
| 18:02.27 | Roey | ethan-allison: but not woman-cantors... |
| 18:02.28 | nvz | it was the irony that I went down there to cash my check and they had a sign up that said they couldnt cash any checks at this time |
| 18:02.42 | Roey | ethan-allison: but anyhow, do enjoy yourself there |
| 18:03.15 | ethan-allison | Roey: i know conservative women cantors actually. also, thanks i will |
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| 18:03.43 | Mardus | Can anyone tell me where exactly should I write 'initrd=/initrd.img' on the image=/vmlinuz line in lilo.conf? |
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| 18:04.00 | Kevin` | Mardus as I said, pastebin the config file |
| 18:04.16 | Mardus | Kevin`: pastebin? |
| 18:04.27 | Kevin` | pastebin.com |
| 18:04.31 | Kevin` | or other places |
| 18:04.38 | Roey | ethan-allison: =) |
| 18:04.40 | Mardus | Kevin`: Oh. |
| 18:04.41 | Kevin` | but, i'm gone for a bit.. someone will answer |
| 18:04.53 | nvz | Mardus: not on the line, but below it |
| 18:05.06 | Roey | antgel: you know hebrew?? |
| 18:05.08 | lucaswagener_ | marduz como é que tá você quem fala é lucas |
| 18:05.12 | nvz | Mardus: the order isnt important as long as it comes after image= and before the next one |
| 18:05.18 | nvz | !br |
| 18:05.18 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 18:05.27 | pipeline | antgel: the original band was young scandinavians |
| 18:05.30 | antgel | Roey: ktsat |
| 18:05.34 | ethan-allison | now for a debian issue. where's the setting for the window manager? |
| 18:05.39 | Roey | antgel: cool, cool. |
| 18:05.44 | antgel | pipeline: good point but it wasn't them |
| 18:05.49 | nvz | ethan-allison: which setting, for which window manager? |
| 18:05.49 | Eclipser | ethan-allison, "the window manager"? |
| 18:05.49 | Eclipser | ethan-allison, "the window manager"? |
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| 18:06.17 | md5sum | hey I found a song that I want to have on my hd, but they only have realmedia format... is there any way to rip entire clips? |
| 18:06.19 | nvz | Eclipser: I find it strange you only encountered one parse error and it was at the end. |
| 18:06.27 | lucaswagener_ | marduz eu posso ser o homem dos seus sonhos |
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| 18:06.42 | ethan-allison | Eclipser: i want to use fvwm95 instead of gnome |
| 18:06.47 | Eclipser | nvz, I have 32 channels to take care of |
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| 18:06.50 | nvz | lucaswagener_: eu stfu ser plz o k thx |
| 18:06.53 | Eclipser | I can't be everywhere |
| 18:06.54 | antgel | Roey: i learnt from a young age in school. then decided to drop the subject at 15 in favour of media studies. can still get by in an englishman-trying-to-speak-foreign type of way :) |
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| 18:07.20 | nvz | :) |
| 18:07.26 | eleftherios | hm, I an on Debian etch, I have installed apache2 and libapache2-mod-php4. The server still doesn't serve php files and upon trying a2enmod php4.load I get the message "This module does not exist!". Any ideas? |
| 18:07.30 | Beno | hi, i'm trying to install a .deb file with dpkg, how can i make him downloading all dependencies? |
| 18:07.31 | nvz | I guess my portuguese is well understood |
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| 18:07.49 | Mardus | nvz: Ok. After image= and can be on the next line? |
| 18:07.49 | nvz | maybe no |
| 18:07.56 | nvz | Mardus: sure |
| 18:08.04 | maverick_ | can anyone tell me how to play mp3 in kde ? |
| 18:08.10 | ethan-allison | maverick_: xmms |
| 18:08.22 | lucaswagener_ | marduz como ta você |
| 18:08.23 | ethan-allison | Beno: apt :P |
| 18:08.23 | ethan-allison | Beno: apt :P |
| 18:08.43 | nvz | lucaswagener_: we speak english in here, if you can't understand that you will be silenced |
| 18:08.48 | Beno | ethan-allison: apt: command not found :) |
| 18:08.50 | maverick_ | how can i refresh the kde panel after installing some new packages? |
| 18:08.55 | Mardus | nvz: Ok. |
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| 18:09.05 | nvz | lucaswagener_: I've already told you to go to #debian-br |
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| 18:09.10 | ethan-allison | Beno: ls /usr/bin/apt* ;) |
| 18:09.10 | ethan-allison | Beno: ls /usr/bin/apt* ;) |
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| 18:09.13 | lucaswagener_ | mardus quem fala que do outro lado é lucas |
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| 18:09.54 | abrotman | !br |
| 18:09.54 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 18:09.59 | lucaswagener_ | mardus fale com migo quero te conhecer |
| 18:10.06 | Roey | antgel: neat |
| 18:10.08 | ethan-allison | !tell lucaswagener_ about br |
| 18:10.09 | Beno | ethan-allison i know how to install packages with apt-get... but its a local deb file |
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| 18:10.20 | nvz | Mardus: do you speak portuguese or in any way encouraging this idiot to speak portuguese in here? |
| 18:10.26 | Mardus | lucaswagener_: I speak English, Estonian, some conversational German and some conversational Russian. I only understand conversational Finnish. |
| 18:10.28 | Mardus | nvz: No. |
| 18:10.29 | Roey | antgel: it's how I am with yidish |
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| 18:10.42 | nvz | Mardus: didn't think so. I dont know why he keeps calling you out |
| 18:10.53 | Mardus | nvz: Maybe a name he knows. |
| 18:10.59 | antgel | Roey: unfortunately yiddish will probably die out soon |
| 18:11.02 | ethan-allison | Beno: isn't there a part of apt that can install the dependencies for a local debian package |
| 18:11.03 | ethan-allison | Beno: isn't there a part of apt that can install the dependencies for a local debian package |
| 18:11.06 | SuperPhly | So... I have an adaptec 39320 card in a server and I need to install to the drives attached to that SCSI card, but the netinstall image i downloaded doesn't have that driver (or so it seems)... |
| 18:11.11 | Mardus | nvz: Maybe it's some word in Portugese. |
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| 18:11.26 | Mardus | nvz: My nick, I mean. |
| 18:11.28 | nvz | Mardus: who knows |
| 18:11.40 | antgel | SuperPhly: have you tried installing 2.6? |
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| 18:12.04 | SuperPhly | antgel: i can't install 2.6 until i install the OS... |
| 18:12.17 | dekster | hi |
| 18:12.21 | SuperPhly | antgel: i don't have linux running anywhere but the CD at the moment |
| 18:12.31 | dmoCholet | Hi all |
| 18:12.33 | Mardus | nvz: the dictionary.com's translator couldn't tell me if that meant anything. |
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| 18:12.40 | lucaswagener_ | marduz onde você mora |
| 18:12.48 | LSorensen | SuperPhly: which kernel version does support it? |
| 18:12.49 | antgel | SuperPhly: that's what you think. have you read the install guide? |
| 18:12.56 | antgel | lucaswagener_: |
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| 18:12.58 | ethan-allison | what's the configuration directive to set xf86's desktop manager (e.g. kde, gnome, ice, xfce, fvwm, etc) |
| 18:13.15 | dmoCholet | I am looking for a tool that look for log and send me a message when found special line in one log file, do you have an idea ? |
| 18:13.18 | antgel | ethan-allison: update-alternatives? |
| 18:13.20 | maverick | please tell me whether i have to download any codecs for playing mp3 in kde |
| 18:13.21 | antgel | dmoCholet: grep |
| 18:13.28 | tarzeau | dmoCholet: grep && nail |
| 18:13.31 | pipeline | ethan-allison: There's no "directive" -- it's determined by the user. |
| 18:13.31 | lucaswagener_ | marduz porfavor eu me iterecei em você |
| 18:13.37 | nvz | !ops please shut lucaswagener_ up he's been told 3 times about portuguese, and refuses to stop trolling Mardus and #debian |
| 18:13.38 | SuperPhly | LSorensen: it's a matter of modules...i need the aic7Yxx |
| 18:13.38 | SuperPhly | LSorensen: it's a matter of modules...i need the aic7Yxx |
| 18:13.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: please shut lucaswagener_ up he's been told 3 times about portuguese, and refuses to stop trolling Mardus and #debian |
| 18:13.43 | dmoCholet | I am a newbee in that command |
| 18:13.45 | pipeline | ethan-allison: Install a display manager -- e.g. xdm or gdm |
| 18:13.45 | pipeline | ethan-allison: Install a display manager -- e.g. xdm or gdm |
| 18:13.54 | SuperPhly | antgel: how can i tell it to run the 2.6 kernel? |
| 18:13.55 | pipeline | ethan-allison: display managers will set up a session for you without your fooling around. |
| 18:14.18 | gonzaloaf | if I did a simbolic link with ln -s xxxxx linux, how do I destroy the link? |
| 18:14.30 | Mardus | gonzaloaf: Delete it. |
| 18:14.31 | ethan-allison | gonzaloaf: rm /path/to/symlink |
| 18:14.31 | nvz | gonzaloaf: rm |
| 18:14.42 | LSorensen | SuperPhly: http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers?focusedCommentId=6815 |
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| 18:14.54 | nvz | gonzaloaf: and its not destroy, its unlink, which is exactly what rm does |
| 18:14.55 | LSorensen | SuperPhly: someone has a sarge installer there with that driver included |
| 18:15.06 | LSorensen | SuperPhly: it is actually called aic7Yxx? |
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| 18:15.13 | gonzaloaf | I dont want to delelte the original directory, just the link |
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| 18:15.24 | SuperPhly | LSorensen: "there?" |
| 18:15.25 | nvz | gonzaloaf: from man rm "Remove (unlink) the FILE(s)." |
| 18:15.33 | abrotman | LSorensen: it was in 2.4 |
| 18:15.34 | gonzaloaf | nvz thanks |
| 18:15.36 | LSorensen | SuperPhly: that url |
| 18:15.42 | abrotman | !find aic7xxx sarge |
| 18:15.49 | LSorensen | abrotman: what is it called in 2.6? |
| 18:15.50 | LSorensen | abrotman: what is it called in 2.6? |
| 18:15.50 | SuperPhly | ahh, gotcha. |
| 18:15.55 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'aic7xxx' (3 of 30): (/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-k6/include/config/scsi/aic7xxx.h) in devel/kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-k6 ;; (/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-k7/include/config/scsi/aic7xxx.h) in devel/kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-k7 ;; (/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-386/include/config/scsi/aic7xxx.h) in devel/kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-386. |
| 18:15.56 | abrotman | LSorensen: we'll see :) |
| 18:15.56 | LSorensen | abrotman: 7xxx != 7yxx |
| 18:16.07 | LSorensen | abrotman: I have seen 7xxx and 79xx personally. |
| 18:16.12 | abrotman | oh .. i've never seen 7yxx |
| 18:16.17 | abrotman | ignore me .. carry on |
| 18:16.29 | SuperPhly | Well, I want to be running 2.6 on this install... should i go with 2.4 install and then upgrade? |
| 18:16.44 | ethan-allison | what CD is xdm on? |
| 18:16.53 | LSorensen | SuperPhly: of course I would be surprised if the 2.6 kernel for sarge doesn't have aic79xx (which appears to support 39320 ) |
| 18:17.04 | LSorensen | SuperPhly: then type linux26 at the boot prompt of the cd |
| 18:17.13 | SuperPhly | let's see if that'll work ;) |
| 18:17.16 | LSorensen | SuperPhly: I really think it ought to support that chip |
| 18:17.27 | abrotman | nvz: it's not me! |
| 18:17.27 | SuperPhly | yeah, it's pretty much standard with dells |
| 18:17.28 | lucaswagener_ | mardus você é da russia ? pelo que eu intende |
| 18:17.28 | LSorensen | SuperPhly: I didn't think it was a particularly new scsi chip |
| 18:17.28 | LSorensen | SuperPhly: I didn't think it was a particularly new scsi chip |
| 18:17.30 | Mardus | Eu nao falo portugues. There... |
| 18:17.35 | abrotman | lucaswagener_: #debian-br |
| 18:17.36 | nvz | abrotman: what's not you? |
| 18:17.41 | abrotman | the noisy one |
| 18:17.42 | LSorensen | SuperPhly: dell loves brand new and/or proprietary hardware |
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| 18:17.52 | nvz | abrotman: its your sisters across the street. |
| 18:17.56 | abrotman | SuperPhly: you mean it's a CERC controller ? |
| 18:18.03 | abrotman | nvz: oh well |
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| 18:18.08 | nvz | abrotman: heh |
| 18:18.10 | Kevin` | dell loves CHEAP hardware |
| 18:18.18 | abrotman | dell loves crap |
| 18:18.29 | Mardus | abrotman: LOL |
| 18:18.31 | SuperPhly | I know it's a RAID controller |
| 18:18.36 | LSorensen | Kevin`: oh like that nice sb live (dell oem) that didn't have the DSP but did it all in the sepcial dell only windows xp only driver? |
| 18:18.38 | ProN00b | well, you get your crap replaced with crap if it doesn't work in garanty anymore |
| 18:18.42 | abrotman | SuperPhly: for SCSI/SATA or what? |
| 18:18.44 | sh4dowcat | hmm |
| 18:18.45 | SuperPhly | scsi |
| 18:18.45 | SuperPhly | scsi |
| 18:18.57 | abrotman | i thought the PERC were not aic .. but were megaraid ? |
| 18:18.59 | Kevin` | LSorensen sounds like dell to me :) |
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| 18:19.13 | sh4dowcat | bah |
| 18:19.16 | koharski | hey |
| 18:19.19 | SuperPhly | what do you guys wanna know about this card? i can find you some info |
| 18:19.25 | LSorensen | Kevin`: yeah it was. or video cards matching the name of a real card, but which have less ram and/or no ram upgrade slots? yeah that's dell alright |
| 18:19.28 | sh4dowcat | I wonder how long it's gonna take for debian to package openoffice.org 2.0 |
| 18:19.31 | mugla | meraba iyi ak015famlarr |
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| 18:19.44 | LSorensen | sh4dowcat: well they have packages of some of the rc's in experimental |
| 18:20.00 | sh4dowcat | LSorensen: Final just hit the fan |
| 18:20.08 | koharski | ok, I just spent ages setting up my fluxbox menus, only to find that debian overwrites all me settings with the standard menu everytime I install a deb package |
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| 18:20.09 | lucaswagener_ | mardus eu só entendo portugues |
| 18:20.14 | koharski | how can I fix this? |
| 18:20.15 | abrotman | sh4dowcat: /topic #debian-oo |
| 18:20.17 | azeem | sh4dowcat: it's not like it's totally different to the RC |
| 18:20.21 | LSorensen | sh4dowcat: now it just needs to be fixed so it works sanely, which is debian's job as per usual. :) |
| 18:20.27 | abrotman | lucaswagener_: dude .. /join #debian-br |
| 18:20.40 | Mardus | lucaswagener: /join #debian-br |
| 18:20.44 | ethan-allison | somebody /kick lucaswagener_ and get the poor bastard to join #debian-br |
| 18:20.44 | LSorensen | sh4dowcat: and I get the impression it still isn't 64bit clean even though they promised it would be |
| 18:20.49 | babbel | koharski: look in /etc/menu |
| 18:20.49 | babbel | koharski: look in /etc/menu |
| 18:20.55 | koharski | thanks |
| 18:21.08 | sh4dowcat | LSorensen: I don't care about 64bit at the moment :P |
| 18:21.31 | LSorensen | sh4dowcat: a lot of us do |
| 18:21.49 | abrotman | LSorensen: three is not a lot :) |
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| 18:21.55 | LSorensen | sh4dowcat: and I think it shows how sloppy the code is if it doesn't just work |
| 18:22.04 | ProN00b | someone told me here that my kernel won't run !!! |
| 18:22.07 | ProN00b | it runs !! |
| 18:22.11 | LSorensen | sh4dowcat: not that that is a shock to anyone |
| 18:22.12 | sh4dowcat | personally I just want the i386 version |
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| 18:22.13 | koharski | so I can just stick my edited fluxbox menu in /etc/menu/ and it will keep that? |
| 18:22.14 | ProN00b | you fuxxorz ^___^ |
| 18:22.15 | usuario_ | hola |
| 18:22.16 | lucaswagener_ | mardus tente falar comigo em portugues |
| 18:22.22 | sh4dowcat | I run a huge 32bit chroot anyway |
| 18:22.25 | abrotman | lucaswagener_: /join #debian-br |
| 18:22.30 | usuario_ | alguien abla español? |
| 18:22.31 | Beno | hm cant find it out.. if somebody knows how to install a local .deb file using apt-get, tell me please :) |
| 18:22.40 | nvz | usuario_: en #debian-es |
| 18:22.46 | stew | Beno: dpkg -i blah.deb |
| 18:22.46 | stew | Beno: dpkg -i blah.deb |
| 18:22.56 | LSorensen | Beno: make an apt repository, or just use dpkg -i |
| 18:23.09 | usuario_ | alguien habla español? |
| 18:23.13 | ProN00b | i think it was dimir, asg and someone else |
| 18:23.13 | abrotman | !es |
| 18:23.13 | abrotman | !es |
| 18:23.13 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:23.24 | nvz | usuario_: no. |
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| 18:23.33 | nvz | we are being trolled |
| 18:23.39 | koharski | :P |
| 18:23.41 | lucaswagener_ | mardus você tem telefone? |
| 18:23.44 | Beno | stew i'd like to use apt-get because of the dependencies |
| 18:23.51 | abrotman | !br |
| 18:23.51 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 18:23.52 | astdarkness | good afternoon, everibody! |
| 18:23.53 | stew | Beno: dpkg -i , then run apt-get -f install |
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| 18:23.56 | babbel | koharski: uhumm, i just use it to customize some special part of the menus. but look also in /usr/share/doc/menu , i remember i read about it :) |
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| 18:24.05 | LSorensen | Beno: dpkg enforces dependancies. it is your problem to resolve them. |
| 18:24.11 | koharski | thanks babbel :) |
| 18:24.20 | stew | Beno: /msg dpkg repository |
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| 18:24.26 | LSorensen | Beno: or use apt-ftparchive to create a local archive and point apt at it with a deb file://local/archive/dir/ in sources.list |
| 18:24.26 | Beno | okay |
| 18:24.38 | ethan-allison | usuario_: esto es uno lugar para debiano en ingles. para uno lugar para debiano en español, camines a #debian-es (perdon, no bien para hablando español) |
| 18:24.39 | Beno | ok thanks |
| 18:25.10 | nvz | ethan-allison: I'd say so |
| 18:25.14 | nvz | heh |
| 18:25.15 | nvz | heh |
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| 18:25.21 | ethan-allison | nvz: shaddup |
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| 18:25.53 | nvz | I took 5 years of spanish and that was 5 years ago and I've not used it since.. |
| 18:25.59 | sh4dowcat | !stfu |
| 18:25.59 | dpkg | hmm... stfu is Shut The Fuck Up, or see also http://people.debian.org/~branden/humor/the_real_official_motto.jpeg |
| 18:26.06 | sh4dowcat | heh that actually exists |
| 18:26.23 | abrotman | !tell root_ about root |
| 18:26.28 | pngwn | !pmm |
| 18:26.28 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pmm is please /msg me, don't make me spew to the channel, or you can go to #debian-bots if you want to play with me |
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| 18:26.53 | sh4dowcat | !root |
| 18:26.54 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 18:27.01 | sh4dowcat | in case he didn't get the message |
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| 18:27.13 | lucaswagener_ | mardus min fale como você cabelos longos,curtu ,cor morena, clara ou escurinha mardus não deixe de falar comigo |
| 18:27.14 | sh4dowcat | why is it that #debian doesn't ban root idents? |
| 18:27.22 | SuperPhly | LSorensen: linux26 freezes up on me... |
| 18:27.23 | sh4dowcat | !english for lucaswagener_ |
| 18:27.23 | sh4dowcat | !english for lucaswagener_ |
| 18:27.25 | dondelelcaro | sh4dowcat: we only +q them. |
| 18:27.30 | LSorensen | SuperPhly: at what point? |
| 18:27.39 | sh4dowcat | !tell lucaswagener_ about english |
| 18:27.39 | ProN00b | is there a more effective way of making big files (contents don't matter) than with dd ? |
| 18:27.39 | sh4dowcat | !tell lucaswagener_ about english |
| 18:27.39 | ProN00b | is there a more effective way of making big files (contents don't matter) than with dd ? |
| 18:27.48 | SuperPhly | keyboard select |
| 18:27.50 | LSorensen | ProN00b: I can't think of any |
| 18:27.50 | LSorensen | ProN00b: I can't think of any |
| 18:27.51 | koharski | want to know something fun? start bitchx (or your usual irc client) and set your IRC name to root |
| 18:27.53 | abrotman | Mardus: do you konw that guy? |
| 18:27.54 | eternity | lucaswagener_ voce fala portugues ? |
| 18:27.55 | SuperPhly | 1st installer menu |
| 18:27.56 | SuperPhly | 1st installer menu |
| 18:28.00 | LSorensen | SuperPhly: try adding 'acpi=off' to the boot options |
| 18:28.03 | koharski | see how many people try to root you :) |
| 18:28.07 | bbrazil | ProN00b: you can use skip, but it probably won't do what you want |
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| 18:28.10 | LSorensen | SuperPhly: so: linux26 acpi=off |
| 18:28.15 | SuperPhly | brb |
| 18:28.19 | dondelelcaro | ProN00b: dd is fairly effective at it; dd if=/dev/zero of=foo skip=100000 count=0;.. FE |
| 18:28.22 | Mardus | abrotman: I don't even understand what he says. |
| 18:28.22 | Mardus | abrotman: I don't even understand what he says. |
| 18:28.22 | LSorensen | SuperPhly: for some reason many laptops, nd dell's in general have keyboard problems |
| 18:28.27 | abrotman | ok |
| 18:28.32 | LSorensen | SuperPhly: and usb problems can be a real pain |
| 18:28.40 | LSorensen | SuperPhly: er usb keyboards |
| 18:28.48 | sh4dowcat | any laptop with a custom keyboard usually has a problem |
| 18:28.52 | sh4dowcat | which means the whole lot of them |
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| 18:29.04 | sh4dowcat | there's no laptop keyboard that follows the standards |
| 18:29.09 | eternity | abrotman he says nothing with sense. |
| 18:29.11 | lucaswagener_ | eternite eu falo sim português pode fazer mais perguntas |
| 18:29.18 | LSorensen | sh4dowcat: sure there is, but probably not made lately |
| 18:29.18 | ProN00b | dondelelcaro, bbrazil, what does skip exactly do ? |
| 18:29.34 | sh4dowcat | will somebody please tell lucaswagener_ to goto the Portugese channel<+ |
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| 18:29.39 | abrotman | sh4dowcat: moment |
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| 18:29.57 | bbrazil | !br |
| 18:29.57 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 18:29.57 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 18:30.01 | dondelelcaro | ProN00b: err... should be seek, not skip. |
| 18:30.06 | eternity | abrotman he was say about girls or non-sense questions in portugues language. |
| 18:30.06 | dondelelcaro | ProN00b: man dd; for details. |
| 18:30.07 | abrotman | !ops according to #debian-br .. lucaswagener_ is trying to get a date with Mardus |
| 18:30.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: according to #debian-br .. lucaswagener_ is trying to get a date with Mardus |
| 18:30.16 | sh4dowcat | LSorensen: this Acer keyboard I have for example doesn't have END or Home keys |
| 18:30.16 | sh4dowcat | LSorensen: this Acer keyboard I have for example doesn't have END or Home keys |
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| 18:30.33 | scorphus | lol |
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| 18:30.38 | LSorensen | sh4dowcat: at all? |
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| 18:30.47 | sh4dowcat | LSorensen: Fn key combination |
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| 18:30.56 | LSorensen | sh4dowcat: I would never buy such a product |
| 18:31.05 | sh4dowcat | hey it lasts for six hours on batteries |
| 18:31.05 | sh4dowcat | hey it lasts for six hours on batteries |
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| 18:31.08 | sh4dowcat | I can live with -two keys |
| 18:31.29 | ProN00b | dondelelcaro, if i look at it correctly it won't make a file of the size i want if i use seek... |
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| 18:31.44 | ProN00b | look at the manpage i mean |
| 18:31.48 | Mardus | I installed a newer kernel and a LILO installation tested lilo.conf. I removed one mistake by commenting it out, but there are two issues: COMPACT my conflict with LBA32 on some systems. /dev/hdb is not on the first disk. added linux *. |
| 18:32.00 | Mardus | * may conflict |
| 18:32.04 | dondelelcaro | ProN00b: it will, it will just be a sparse file. |
| 18:32.15 | dondelelcaro | ProN00b: the question is, what exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 18:32.49 | abrotman | oh sure .. now he shuts up |
| 18:32.54 | ProN00b | i want to create a 70gb file, its contents to not matter, dondelelcaro |
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| 18:33.15 | dondelelcaro | ProN00b: well, the file will be 70gb, it's just that most of it will be non-allocated space. |
| 18:33.17 | LSorensen | ProN00b: 70G? well I really can't think of anything better than dd |
| 18:33.27 | locsmif | hi, I've been googling for documentation about the experimental pci-id format in hwdata, namely the videoaliases file..Does anybody know where I can find the documentation about it? |
| 18:33.27 | dondelelcaro | ProN00b: what do you want to do with this file? |
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| 18:33.56 | ProN00b | non-allocated sounds bad to me, but not i get the problem, thanks |
| 18:33.56 | LSorensen | Mardus: what is hda? |
| 18:33.57 | LSorensen | Mardus: what is hda? |
| 18:34.01 | ProN00b | *but now |
| 18:34.03 | abrotman | a harddrive |
| 18:34.14 | LSorensen | abrotman: so why is lilo even talking about hdb? |
| 18:34.21 | Mardus | Lsorensen: A hard drive and the first disk in the system. |
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| 18:34.44 | LSorensen | er Mardus |
| 18:34.52 | Mardus | LSorensen: Because I want LILO to be on hdb's mbr; hda is not there, AFAIK. |
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| 18:34.54 | abrotman | LSorensen: perhaps he's install lilo to hdb ? .. and it knows it's not the first HDD |
| 18:34.56 | LSorensen | Mardus: what does boot= say in lilo.conf? |
| 18:34.56 | LSorensen | Mardus: what does boot= say in lilo.conf? |
| 18:35.15 | Mardus | LSorensen: I wrote it to be /dev/hdb |
| 18:35.17 | LSorensen | Mardus: well you can only boot from the first HD on a normal system |
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| 18:35.35 | LSorensen | Mardus: how would it ever read lilo at power on? |
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| 18:35.35 | LSorensen | Mardus: how would it ever read lilo at power on? |
| 18:35.37 | koharski | ok, another quick question |
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| 18:35.47 | Mardus | LSorensen: I don't think my system is normal. |
| 18:35.47 | koharski | how do I compile something |
| 18:35.47 | koharski | how do I compile something |
| 18:35.51 | koharski | it's python |
| 18:36.02 | Mardus | LSorensen: boot floppy, which also has LILO on it. |
| 18:36.10 | azeem | koharski: you don't need to compile python |
| 18:36.19 | azeem | unless it's using C internally |
| 18:36.20 | koharski | how do I run it? |
| 18:36.36 | LSorensen | Mardus: well I can't think of any situation where lilo on hdb makes any useful sense, unless you intend to move the drive to be hda on another system |
| 18:37.02 | LSorensen | Mardus: then again I can't think of a situation where lilo is useful. grub is much nicer |
| 18:37.12 | koharski | would it work like, ./someprogram.py? |
| 18:37.18 | lucaswagener_ | mardus sair por um instante mas ja estou de vouta para conversar com você |
| 18:37.19 | beardy | koharski: Python is interpretated by the python interpreter. You run python scripts/programs either by chaning the permissions of the file, to allow it to be executed, or run it like 'python foo.py' |
| 18:37.20 | Mardus | LSorensen: So if the kernel install LILO fscks up somehow, I can still boot from a floppy. The thing is, that I want to boot from hdb and not hda. I've had dreadful problems with grub five years ago or so. |
| 18:37.31 | koharski | thanks you |
| 18:37.41 | LSorensen | Mardus: grub has improved a lot. lilo has not done anything. |
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| 18:37.46 | hmrocha | hello |
| 18:37.49 | LSorensen | Mardus: well does the bios support booting from hdb? |
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| 18:38.12 | hmrocha | how can i know which package has the file "/usr/share/dicts/words", without the file being installed on the system? |
| 18:38.26 | mjk64 | hmrocha: apt-file |
| 18:38.27 | asg | hmrocha: apt-file |
| 18:38.29 | LSorensen | hmrocha: apt-file search /usr/share/dicts/words |
| 18:38.37 | LSorensen | hmrocha: after doing apt-file update once |
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| 18:38.48 | DocDoom | hello:-) |
| 18:39.01 | hmrocha | i don't have "apt-file" |
| 18:39.05 | LSorensen | hmrocha: so install it |
| 18:39.07 | Mardus | lucaswagener_: LSorensen: If the hdb has some material to boot from, then yes. |
| 18:39.09 | beardy | hmrocha: install it then |
| 18:39.18 | Mardus | Drat! |
| 18:39.29 | DocDoom | any one know how to ad a sounddevice? last time i installed debian it autodetected it, but not this time:-( so i cant get any sound.. |
| 18:39.32 | Mardus | LSorensen: If the hdb has some material to boot from, then yes. |
| 18:39.47 | LSorensen | Mardus: most bioses only boot the first hd. some can reorder the drives. if your bios reorders the drives, then you MUST tell lilo that hdb is in fact drive 0x80 and not the default assumed 0x81 |
| 18:39.52 | hmrocha | beardy, oh, ok, i thought it should be installed by default |
| 18:40.06 | DocDoom | beardy:-) |
| 18:40.14 | beardy | !tell DocDoom -about alsa 2.6 |
| 18:40.15 | eleftherios | hm, I an on Debian etch, I have installed apache2 and libapache2-mod-php4. The server still doesn't serve php files and upon trying a2enmod php4.load I get the message "This module does not exist!". Any ideas? |
| 18:40.16 | lucaswagener_ | mardus porfavor não deixe de falar comigo estou a sua disposição |
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| 18:40.29 | DocDoom | alsa? |
| 18:41.00 | hmrocha | thanks people, it worked |
| 18:41.00 | hmrocha | thanks people, it worked |
| 18:41.01 | hmrocha | :) |
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| 18:42.02 | SuperPhly | LSorensen: nope dude, linux26 acpi=off didn't work.. |
| 18:42.05 | abdou | hi there, graphical root programs can't run under X: Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
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| 18:42.17 | asg | abdou: /msg dpkg sux |
| 18:42.20 | Mardus | lucaswagener_: eu nao falo o portugues. por favor o batente que irrita este quarto ou o será retrocedido para fora. |
| 18:42.24 | DocDoom | beardy: fanx:-) you must be my personal saint:-) |
| 18:42.27 | SuperPhly | i can't use that debian disc because it wants to make a floppy and well... i don't have a floppy drive in the machine... didn't think i'd need one :( |
| 18:42.30 | abdou | asg: even with sux |
| 18:42.30 | Mardus | If this helps in any way... |
| 18:42.32 | asg | abdou: also /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 18:42.55 | Mardus | SuperPhly: I think you can choose not to make a floppy there. |
| 18:43.21 | MrBallZ | is OpenOffice 2.0 on the repositories ? to apt-get it ? |
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| 18:43.29 | asg | MrBallZ: haha |
| 18:43.31 | SuperPhly | Mardus: where would it put it? |
| 18:43.37 | asg | MrBallZ: check #debian-oo |
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| 18:43.41 | mhall | !tell me about portuguese |
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| 18:43.45 | stew | MrBallZ: experimental only |
| 18:43.47 | DocDoom | beardy: says it cant find any PnP or ISA card.. but it found it last time i installed.. |
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| 18:43.58 | mhall | !tell lucaswagener_ about portuguese |
| 18:44.01 | Mardus | SuperPhly: Where would what put what where? |
| 18:44.16 | SuperPhly | Mardus: the aic7*** drivers i need to install sarge |
| 18:44.33 | MrBallZ | oks |
| 18:44.53 | SuperPhly | Mardus: i'm having a hard time getting the adaptec 39320(b) working with the default debian install disc :( |
| 18:44.54 | Mardus | SuperPhly: Can you make a complete sentence? |
| 18:44.55 | abdou | eeuw thanks, just struggled about 15 mn under #suse and no one could help; debian people are the best ! |
| 18:45.18 | jujuju | hi help how can I install an scanner . I installed sane , xsane, xsane-common. But can not find scanner |
| 18:45.18 | Mardus | SuperPhly: Sorry, I can't help you with that. Ask away in here anyway. |
| 18:45.40 | SuperPhly | Mardus: i'm 1/2 engaged with LSorensen on this issue, i thought you were up to speed with us... thx anyway |
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| 18:46.27 | mhall | SuperPhly: You and LSorensen got engaged? |
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| 18:46.37 | asg | mhall: 1/2 engaged |
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| 18:46.52 | mhall | asg: I figured they were being bashful or modest. |
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| 18:47.10 | asg | mhall: or perhaps just in heavy negotiation pre ring-purchase |
| 18:47.18 | Mardus | asg: LOL |
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| 18:47.27 | mhall | asg: Hmm. Yes. I suppose so. |
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| 18:47.39 | SuperPhly | mhall: not like that... :/ |
| 18:47.44 | Mardus | asg: In heavy negotiation pre-engagement-ring purchase :D |
| 18:47.52 | mhall | SuperPhly: ;-) Suuuuure. |
| 18:47.55 | SuperPhly | hehe |
| 18:48.27 | Mardus | SuperPhly, so, er you two moving to Frisco, too? Or Amsterdam, perhaps? |
| 18:48.48 | SuperPhly | Mardus: gak, i dunno if i even want to respond to that... |
| 18:48.51 | Mardus | SuperPhly: scrap "too", never been in Frisco at all. |
| 18:48.51 | Mardus | SuperPhly: scrap "too", never been in Frisco at all. |
| 18:49.19 | Mardus | Well, yes, 't was beginning to be a bit lame... |
| 18:49.37 | jujuju | how to install scanner |
| 18:49.52 | SuperPhly | brb |
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| 18:50.00 | cahoot | jujuju: usb? sarge? udev? |
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| 18:50.09 | hmrocha | i did the apt-file, it reported the pkg dictionaries-common, but it's already installed and the words file is not there |
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| 18:50.55 | Mardus | jujuju: 1. Buy scanner. 2. Take it out of the scanner box. 3. Attach cables to scanner. 4. Plug those cables to computer. 5. Scanner installed. It's a whole different question as to how to install a scanner driver and related scanner software. |
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| 18:52.08 | asg | jujuju: /msg dpkg sane (start there first) |
| 18:52.12 | cahoot | jujuju: /usr/share/doc/libsane/README.Debian.gz is good to read |
| 18:52.43 | Mardus | LSorensen: I don't know even if I have reordered the drives at all. |
| 18:52.59 | jujuju | as I said I install sane xsane, xsane-common but can not find scanner |
| 18:53.10 | Mardus | I'm going to reboot. If nothing happens, I'll boot with a boot floppy. |
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| 18:53.40 | cahoot | jujuju: did you read /usr/share/doc/libsane/README.Debian.gz ? |
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| 18:54.13 | jujuju | not yet thank you |
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| 18:54.25 | mhall | cahoot: mmm, yummy bytestreams |
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| 18:54.31 | mhall | cahoot: i wish i could read in gzip |
| 18:54.42 | DocDoom | hmm im getting a error message now after i installed and did a apt-get upgrade, Error while initializing the sounddriver: devcie/dev/dsp cant be opend, no such device |
| 18:54.44 | mhall | cahoot: i could read half the pages and still get the info |
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| 18:54.46 | asg | mhall: you need to get all Matrix-like with your porn |
| 18:55.08 | mhall | asg: i'll have to sit up a couple feet; that went over my head |
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| 18:55.47 | asg | mhall: read it as '14:54 < mhall> cahoot: i wish i could read in gzip' + with pretty Hollywood visual effects thrown in |
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| 18:56.13 | we2by | what firewall script can I use to configure my firewall easily? |
| 18:56.27 | Pixels- | guarddog |
| 18:56.28 | mhall | asg: lol, hmm, i'm trying to imagine the pr0n equivalent |
| 18:56.29 | asg | we2by: firehol, shorewall (to name a couple) |
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| 18:56.34 | mhall | Agrajag-: that's the tricky part |
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| 18:56.39 | md5sum | is there a less resource-hogging BT client than azureus? |
| 18:56.40 | bushito | Failed to open sound device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy..Virtual device sound will start disconnected. help please =/ |
| 18:56.49 | md5sum | I'm sure there is, but a recommended one? |
| 18:56.49 | asg | mhall: don't imagine too hard ;) |
| 18:56.49 | asg | mhall: don't imagine too hard ;) |
| 18:56.58 | mhall | md5sum: btdownloadcurses.py is as little as it gets |
| 18:57.04 | we2by | asg, I just want a simple one where I can specify what ports I want to open |
| 18:57.07 | mhall | md5sum: also, you can tune settings on azureus |
| 18:57.16 | md5sum | mhall: what kind of settings ? :) |
| 18:57.19 | mhall | md5sum: and change its processor nice rating |
| 18:57.26 | mhall | md5sum: renice is a starting point |
| 18:57.36 | mhall | md5sum: also tweak the maximal connections |
| 18:57.43 | asg | we2by: then try firehol. It's pretty easy. Also, Bastille has a rather simple but mostly effective firewall and you get the bonus of some other lockdown techniques as well. |
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| 18:57.52 | mhall | md5sum: i have mine set real high since i'm on a fiber optic line with a packetshaper |
| 18:57.52 | mhall | md5sum: i have mine set real high since i'm on a fiber optic line with a packetshaper |
| 18:58.03 | mhall | md5sum: my goal is making the packet shaper as miserable as possible |
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| 18:58.26 | mhall | we2by: number one thing to do |
| 18:58.26 | mhall | we2by: number one thing to do |
| 18:58.38 | mhall | we2by: nmap yourself and get rid of every service you don't need |
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| 18:58.50 | asg | ah, to the pub! |
| 18:58.50 | asg | ah, to the pub! |
| 18:58.58 | vezult | how might I get wget to only download urls that match a certain pattern (assuming that's possible)? |
| 18:58.58 | stew | nmapping yourself is dumb, /msg dpkg open ports |
| 18:58.58 | stew | nmapping yourself is dumb, /msg dpkg open ports |
| 18:59.00 | mhall | asg: w00t to that |
| 18:59.00 | locsmif | mhall, how do you make a packet shaper miserable? |
| 18:59.21 | mhall | locsmif: well open up as many sockets as you can, on really weird ports that it's too stupid to shape |
| 18:59.29 | vezult | i usually end up doing: wget -rl1 <url> and then picking out the files i want...but that just seems silly |
| 18:59.38 | w00t | ohm xD |
| 18:59.40 | mhall | locsmif: with ipv4, once device can only have 65535 connections per IP address |
| 18:59.48 | locsmif | mhall, haha ok, that's great, I hate packet shapers, but I'd say they usually have you by the nuts :) |
| 18:59.56 | SuperPhly | LSorensen: you around bud? |
| 19:00.01 | mhall | locsmif: yeah it kind of does |
| 19:00.17 | mhall | locsmif: but it only has a hold of one of mine, and everybody else it's two |
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| 19:00.25 | stew | vezult: write a patch for wget! :) |
| 19:00.26 | stew | vezult: write a patch for wget! :) |
| 19:00.28 | mhall | locsmif: so i'm maybe 2 sigma above the mean |
| 19:00.31 | locsmif | mhall, with btdownloadcurses you can ofcourse set the minimum and maximum port yourself |
| 19:00.34 | mhall | locsmif: which is good ;-) |
| 19:00.37 | locsmif | maybe you can use torrent with tor |
| 19:00.43 | mhall | locsmif: you can do that in azureus too |
| 19:00.47 | xerophyte | on my shell the backspace or del key is not working how can i get it working ??? |
| 19:00.51 | mhall | locsmif: so i use amusing ports like 80 and 21 |
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| 19:01.14 | mhall | locsmif: the problem is that this only works maximally well if the other end of the connection is smart enough not to use 6881 and friends |
| 19:01.20 | locsmif | mhall, is your company charged by data quantity? |
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| 19:01.20 | locsmif | mhall, is your company charged by data quantity? |
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| 19:01.30 | mhall | locsmif: so from the smart peers i get good ul/dl rate |
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| 19:01.39 | mhall | locsmif: from the stupid ones, meh, not so great |
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| 19:01.44 | mhall | locsmif: no it's a .edu |
| 19:01.45 | mhall | locsmif: no it's a .edu |
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| 19:01.52 | Mardus | LSorensen: Looks like it worked for me... |
| 19:01.53 | mhall | locsmif: we have an 80-200 mbit fiber pipe |
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| 19:02.08 | locsmif | mhall, I'm drooling |
| 19:02.16 | mhall | locsmif: not as good as a lot of .edu but pretty decent |
| 19:02.17 | locsmif | literally.. |
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| 19:02.29 | mhall | locsmif: the usually ftp and http are pretty fucking fast |
| 19:02.43 | locsmif | mhall, yeah but the bottleneck is the other side |
| 19:02.44 | mhall | locsmif: i can download from mirrors2.kernel.org at several megabytes per second |
| 19:02.51 | alabaster | Question.. did something happen to /dev/mouse? Where did my mouse device go? |
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| 19:03.02 | mhall | locsmif: i love dist-upgrading now ;-) |
| 19:03.18 | locsmif | mhall, well I'm playing with udev |
| 19:03.38 | locsmif | I need to find out more about the experimental hwdata videoaliases format |
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| 19:03.47 | mhall | locsmif: 1107 kilobytes per second right now |
| 19:03.53 | locsmif | lots of it can be deducted but it's still a bitch |
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| 19:03.59 | locsmif | mhall, man... |
| 19:04.03 | mhall | Fetched 9618kB in 8s (1194kB/s) |
| 19:04.04 | md5sum | mhall: how are the priority numbers scheduled? |
| 19:04.04 | md5sum | mhall: how are the priority numbers scheduled? |
| 19:04.06 | mhall | lol |
| 19:04.13 | antgel | abrotman: and we've reinstalled <wipes brow> |
| 19:04.21 | mhall | md5sum: well -20 is the meanest process |
| 19:04.24 | locsmif | mhall, I reach 841Kbyte/s |
| 19:04.25 | abrotman | antgel: beer time ? |
| 19:04.28 | mhall | md5sum: and +20 is the nicest process |
| 19:04.32 | mhall | locsmif: pretty good |
| 19:04.38 | antgel | abrotman: home time |
| 19:04.41 | mhall | locsmif: my home connection is a 1.5 mbit |
| 19:04.47 | mhall | locsmif: so it's not especially fast |
| 19:04.48 | md5sum | mhall: is there any way to tell what a process is at at the moment? |
| 19:04.48 | locsmif | mhall, yeah but they took that extra 41Kbyte/s out of my upload :( |
| 19:04.57 | mhall | locsmif: doh! |
| 19:04.57 | mhall | locsmif: doh! |
| 19:05.02 | mhall | locsmif: bastards |
| 19:05.11 | mhall | locsmif: my upload is ungodly |
| 19:05.17 | locsmif | yeah, since I run a website that sucks |
| 19:05.24 | mhall | locsmif: i'm often uploading nearly a megabyte per second |
| 19:05.32 | mhall | locsmif: or maybe 2 megabytes per second |
| 19:05.37 | locsmif | mhall, government doesn't want people on fibre because it will cripple the media economy |
| 19:05.46 | locsmif | that's why internet speeds have stagnated |
| 19:05.51 | mhall | locsmif: whoever runs into me seeding a torrent is very very lucky |
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| 19:06.00 | mhall | locsmif: most fiber around the world is unused |
| 19:06.07 | locsmif | mhall, indeed |
| 19:06.09 | mhall | locsmif: i fucking dislike government, all governments |
| 19:06.21 | meff | yep tons of "dark" fiber out there just.. sitting.. |
| 19:06.24 | mhall | locsmif: i want them to pack it in and throw the towel |
| 19:06.26 | locsmif | first they need to introduce that ridiculous hdtv format, and blu-ray/hd-dvd |
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| 19:06.31 | abrotman | antgel: it all works ? |
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| 19:06.32 | mhall | hdtv is sux |
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| 19:06.51 | mhall | too much copy protection, can't do basic shit i've done for years with normal TV |
| 19:06.54 | locsmif | mhall, introduce a new media format taking 22GB for one movie, than up the speeds |
| 19:07.06 | locsmif | that's how it works |
| 19:07.09 | mhall | locsmif: yeah the game companies are the same way |
| 19:07.16 | antgel | abrotman: done a reboot. now trying a cold boot. fastest raid-5 ldap/samba server install in _history_ :) |
| 19:07.21 | mhall | locsmif: bloat the games to make them a pain to ul/dl etc. |
| 19:07.29 | vezult | stew: if only I knew C. that's not a bad idea for a personal project though. I just might give it a try :) |
| 19:07.32 | abrotman | antgel: how hard is apt-get install ldap samba :) |
| 19:07.32 | locsmif | mhall, people need to make P2P wifi networks |
| 19:07.37 | mhall | locsmif: none of it fixes the basic problem--- the system is totally broken |
| 19:07.37 | abrotman | err .. slapd ? |
| 19:07.46 | mhall | locsmif: there are some community wifis |
| 19:07.58 | mhall | locsmif: they had it back when i lived in seattle |
| 19:08.00 | locsmif | we need decentralization |
| 19:08.03 | antgel | abrotman: grr |
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| 19:08.13 | abrotman | antgel: you're a tiger!!! .. i love charades! |
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| 19:08.23 | mhall | locsmif: personally i think the wave of the future is something like peerflix.com |
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| 19:08.43 | abrotman | virgin ? .. antgel is a virgin!!!! |
| 19:08.46 | mhall | locsmif: for a minimal price, you trade discs over the mail with your new friends around the country |
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| 19:09.01 | mhall | locsmif: this way, the companies get some money for their work, and we all benefit from it |
| 19:09.02 | abrotman | antgel: everything works ? |
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| 19:09.19 | locsmif | mhall, hmm sounds funny, in the sense that it fucks over the system :) |
| 19:09.27 | mhall | locsmif: well, yes and no |
| 19:09.38 | mhall | locsmif: it's healthier than just stealing content |
| 19:09.40 | antgel | abrotman: seems to. good enough for me, it's good enough for (cock) mac users here :) |
| 19:09.46 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 19:09.55 | locsmif | mhall, well I find moral reasoning about P2P difficult |
| 19:09.57 | abrotman | antgel: home! |
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| 19:10.13 | locsmif | primary interest for me is to keep my civil rights |
| 19:10.18 | locsmif | despite the wrongs going on |
| 19:10.18 | locsmif | despite the wrongs going on |
| 19:10.18 | antgel | abrotman: indeed. later all |
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| 19:10.53 | mhall | locsmif: for me an ideal system would be something where i could pay a culture tax |
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| 19:11.18 | mhall | locsmif: and then everybody's culture tax would fund entrepeneurial efforts to find new forms of art and expression |
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| 19:11.46 | mhall | locsmif: no, it's not the freest possible system, but once you have paid, you no longer have to worry about it |
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| 19:11.55 | Jacobo221 | is there no free translating tool? i'm looking for a word-translator spanish-english |
| 19:12.01 | mhall | locsmif: you can download whatever you wanted and check it out guilt free |
| 19:12.01 | mhall | locsmif: you can download whatever you wanted and check it out guilt free |
| 19:12.10 | locsmif | mhall, not a bad idea |
| 19:12.12 | mhall | locsmif: and for people who don't pay it, they would not be allowed |
| 19:12.27 | mhall | locsmif: so then they could purchase stuff seperately in stores, etc. |
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| 19:12.44 | mhall | locsmif: if you look at CBC / BBC in .ca / .uk, it works pretty well there |
| 19:12.51 | locsmif | but then you empower the government to decide which culture is apropriate to spend money on |
| 19:12.53 | mhall | locsmif: CBC / BBC are pretty good quality services |
| 19:13.16 | mhall | locsmif: well of course there is the downside, but if the system were voluntary you could vote with your pocketbook |
| 19:13.30 | locsmif | mhall, heh, nice ideas :) |
| 19:13.33 | mhall | locsmif: perhaps you would not even need a government to collect it |
| 19:13.42 | locsmif | at least not hindered by lack of imagination :) |
| 19:13.48 | mhall | locsmif: maybe just pay it to the industry in exchange for the privilege of unlimited access |
| 19:13.48 | mhall | locsmif: maybe just pay it to the industry in exchange for the privilege of unlimited access |
| 19:14.04 | locsmif | yeah, well we already pay large taxes over writable media |
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| 19:14.14 | locsmif | at least here, in Holland |
| 19:14.19 | mhall | locsmif: yeah i'm disappointed that that system did not work right |
| 19:14.20 | md5sum | mhall: I'm not used to messing around with nicing processes... what's a good priority level to renice to ? |
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| 19:14.33 | locsmif | a DL dvd+r is priceless |
| 19:14.33 | locsmif | a DL dvd+r is priceless |
| 19:14.36 | md5sum | mhall: I'm guessing 0 is normal? |
| 19:14.48 | mhall | md5sum: you can't really harm much unless you nice it to a real negative number |
| 19:14.49 | locsmif | -18 |
| 19:14.54 | mhall | md5sum: yeah it starts at 0 |
| 19:14.55 | locsmif | heh |
| 19:14.57 | md5sum | locsmif: lol |
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| 19:15.04 | md5sum | locsmif: I'm new, not stupid |
| 19:15.10 | mhall | md5sum: the negative numbers reflect a less nice process of course |
| 19:15.15 | mhall | md5sum: so try +15 |
| 19:15.18 | locsmif | md5sum, well I wasn't saying "rm -rf /" or something ;) |
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| 19:15.22 | mhall | md5sum: that's a reasonable value |
| 19:15.29 | mhall | !troutslap locsmif |
| 19:15.29 | mhall | !troutslap locsmif |
| 19:15.35 | mhall | ~troutslap locsmif |
| 19:15.36 | apt | ACTION slaps locsmif around with a large trout |
| 19:15.38 | md5sum | mhall: renice +15 pid ? |
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| 19:15.53 | mhall | md5sum: yeah that's the way |
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| 19:16.03 | ethan-allison | !beer everyone |
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| 19:16.08 | elly_ | I am so installing dhcpcd |
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| 19:16.25 | locsmif | ok |
| 19:16.26 | bushito | is it posible to start a visual program from console??? |
| 19:16.26 | bushito | is it posible to start a visual program from console??? |
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| 19:16.36 | elly_ | or apparently I'm not |
| 19:16.36 | elly_ | Err ftp://ftp.debian.org etch/main dhcpcd 1:2.0.0-1 |
| 19:16.36 | elly_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.36 | elly_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.39 | locsmif | I guess hwdata/videoaliases I'll have to decypher on my own |
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| 19:16.44 | locsmif | bushito, ofcourse |
| 19:16.48 | mhall | elly_: apt-get update |
| 19:16.51 | mhall | elly_: then try again |
| 19:16.51 | mhall | elly_: then try again |
| 19:16.53 | locsmif | bushito, what makes you think otherwise |
| 19:16.56 | bushito | locsmif, how can i do that?? |
| 19:17.01 | mhall | elly_: if that does not fix it change debian mirrors at least temporarily |
| 19:17.05 | bushito | locsmif, cause i dont know how =) |
| 19:17.05 | bushito | locsmif, cause i dont know how =) |
| 19:17.11 | tarso | 3: |
| 19:17.12 | locsmif | bushito, type the command at the prompt in konsole or so |
| 19:17.15 | mhall | elly_: some of them get out of date for a little while at times for different reasons |
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| 19:17.23 | sherLock | what about ubuntu ? |
| 19:17.29 | bushito | locsmif, it get an error message gtk cannot open display |
| 19:17.31 | elly_ | how could ftp.debian.org be out of date? |
| 19:17.39 | mhall | elly_: it could happen |
| 19:17.48 | elly_ | but ftp.debian.org is the master site...? |
| 19:17.52 | elly_ | there, installed |
| 19:17.54 | locsmif | bushito, don't do it as root |
| 19:17.54 | locsmif | bushito, don't do it as root |
| 19:17.58 | locsmif | do it as a normal user |
| 19:18.05 | mhall | elly_: what did you change |
| 19:18.08 | bushito | locsmif, i wanst root |
| 19:18.08 | bushito | locsmif, i wanst root |
| 19:18.13 | elly_ | I did 'apt-get update' first |
| 19:18.13 | locsmif | bushito, what does |
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| 19:18.28 | mhall | elly_: there you go, i told you those steps would fix it |
| 19:18.32 | locsmif | bushito, well ok use sux then |
| 19:18.35 | stew | elly_: aptitude update |
| 19:18.36 | locsmif | instead of su |
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| 19:19.10 | goober2345 | hello |
| 19:19.32 | bushito | locsmif, i a not saying inside KDE, i am saying outside KDE console, the black one, the original one |
| 19:19.39 | locsmif | or simply copy /home/yournormaluser/.Xauthority to /root/ |
| 19:19.56 | locsmif | bushito, try to use the framebuffer device then |
| 19:20.02 | locsmif | some programs support it, some do not |
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| 19:20.16 | locsmif | it depends on the program you want to run |
| 19:20.22 | ryan` | what's the command to update a debian package changelog? |
| 19:20.24 | elly_ | yeah |
| 19:20.24 | elly_ | yeah |
| 19:20.34 | stew | ryan`: dch |
| 19:20.52 | bushito | locsmif, frambuffer?? |
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| 19:21.44 | abrotman | i don't |
| 19:21.47 | elly_ | because you've used Debian since 1998. |
| 19:21.49 | jstevens | ryan`: I just update it manually. I believe there is a command that will open the change log in your editor but that's all it does I think. |
| 19:21.56 | locsmif | bushito, yeah, what you want is difficult, so either rtfm/stfw or use X like everybody else :) |
| 19:21.57 | abrotman | i've used debian since about then |
| 19:22.02 | bushito | locsmif, i want to open vmware but if i open it form kde this message comes up,Failed to open sound device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy...Virtual device sound will start disconnected. |
| 19:22.09 | locsmif | google for framebuffer :) |
| 19:22.10 | md5sum | okay this is weird... I reniced the azureus java process, and my CPU meter still is maxed out almost, and I checked out ps aux for CPU % and nothing seems to be showing more than 2% --- wtf??? |
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| 19:22.14 | mhall | elly_: ? |
| 19:22.14 | mhall | elly_: ? |
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| 19:22.24 | abrotman | nope .. guess 1999 .. i don't remember using hamm |
| 19:22.31 | mhall | md5sum: hmm |
| 19:22.49 | locsmif | bushito, can't you disable sound in vmware? |
| 19:22.50 | mhall | md5sum: try top |
| 19:23.04 | md5sum | I hate top lol |
| 19:23.12 | mhall | md5sum: try uptime |
| 19:23.12 | mhall | md5sum: try uptime |
| 19:23.13 | locsmif | I mean, make vmware be a pc without a soundcard |
| 19:23.17 | bushito | locsmif, but i want sound =) thats my reason of my questions |
| 19:23.19 | mhall | md5sum: see how your load average looks |
| 19:23.19 | mhall | md5sum: see how your load average looks |
| 19:23.34 | locsmif | md5sum, try htop |
| 19:23.37 | locsmif | htop is much nicer |
| 19:23.45 | md5sum | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:23.47 | Mardus | stew: I got the newer kernel installed and LILO got on the MBR fine, too, after much deliberation in here with others and after consulting man lilo.conf. I just decided to take the plunge again. |
| 19:23.53 | locsmif | and it shows some 'hidden' processes that top does not |
| 19:23.56 | mhall | md5sum: see your average went down a lot |
| 19:24.31 | mhall | locsmif: htop is sweet, good call |
| 19:24.39 | mhall | md5sum: it went from 4 to 3.8 to 1.8 |
| 19:24.45 | mhall | md5sum: that's a big improvement |
| 19:25.39 | md5sum | azureus is taking 65% still |
| 19:25.51 | locsmif | mhall, yeah, I must say I'm frustrated that htop sometimes even shows more processes than ps does, no matter what option I pass it |
| 19:25.52 | md5sum | PRI 32 NI 15 |
| 19:25.52 | md5sum | PRI 32 NI 15 |
| 19:25.53 | DocDoom | any one have a idea how to locate the soundcard? |
| 19:25.58 | md5sum | damn java |
| 19:25.59 | md5sum | heh |
| 19:26.08 | stew | DocDoom: i'd look in the pci bus first |
| 19:26.12 | locsmif | DocDoom, cat /proc/asound/cards |
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| 19:27.09 | DocDoom | locsmif: il try that:-) |
| 19:27.09 | abrotman | lspci ? |
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| 19:27.10 | DocDoom | locsmif: il try that:-) |
| 19:27.10 | abrotman | lspci ? |
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| 19:27.14 | DocDoom | locsmif: dident have that directory |
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| 19:27.31 | DocDoom | iwe tried alsa-utils and that dident work either |
| 19:27.31 | DocDoom | iwe tried alsa-utils and that dident work either |
| 19:27.32 | md5sum | mhall: basically renicing will allow the process to use up whatever is idle, but not use it when other programs request cpu ? |
| 19:27.36 | mhall | locsmif: what about ps auxww |
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| 19:27.39 | stew | DocDoom: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 19:27.46 | mhall | md5sum: exactly |
| 19:27.48 | locsmif | mhall, I use that by default, so .. nope :) |
| 19:27.53 | looksaus | what is this page about exactly? http://ftp-master.debian.org/testing/unstable_probs.html |
| 19:27.55 | mhall | md5sum: that's the idea of it |
| 19:28.01 | looksaus | is this an ordinary situation? |
| 19:28.03 | mhall | locsmif: what kind of processes |
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| 19:28.14 | locsmif | mhall, hmm, lemme think |
| 19:28.22 | DocDoom | stew: 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 19:28.32 | stew | md5sum: no, renicing will change the priority a program gets when the scheduler has more than one program to choose from |
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| 19:28.39 | DocDoom | last time i installed (last night) it worked right away |
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| 19:28.58 | abrotman | try a 2.6 .. usually works better for sound |
| 19:29.10 | mhall | md5sum: but sometimes the process will still get cpu over other processes |
| 19:29.15 | locsmif | I think firefox, and I can't remember the other right now |
| 19:29.19 | locsmif | others* |
| 19:29.19 | mhall | md5sum: however generally it won't |
| 19:29.19 | DocDoom | ok, but how do i get the newer kernel, just apt-get? |
| 19:29.19 | mhall | md5sum: however generally it won't |
| 19:29.19 | DocDoom | ok, but how do i get the newer kernel, just apt-get? |
| 19:29.27 | stew | DocDoom: di you ahve alsa-modules-2.4-27-2-386? |
| 19:29.35 | abrotman | DocDoom: what kind of CPU do you have ? |
| 19:29.38 | mhall | md5sum: so usually it makes your system a bit more responsive if you renice the hog processes |
| 19:29.46 | DocDoom | stew: umm dont know |
| 19:29.46 | locsmif | firefox shows itself but only once, in htop many times |
| 19:29.46 | locsmif | firefox shows itself but only once, in htop many times |
| 19:29.47 | stew | DocDoom: you either need that alsa-modules package or upgrade to 2.6 |
| 19:29.50 | mhall | md5sum: at the cost of getting less screen updates, etc. in the hog |
| 19:29.54 | abrotman | DocDoom: what kind of CPU do you have ? |
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| 19:29.57 | DocDoom | abrothman: a centrino |
| 19:30.02 | mhall | md5sum: but with azureus you probably do not care a whole lot |
| 19:30.05 | abrotman | DocDoom: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 19:30.12 | mhall | md5sum: because it's usually kept minimized |
| 19:30.14 | DocDoom | so how do i upgrade the kernel? |
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| 19:30.19 | md5sum | mhall: nope... as long as network speed isn't affacted ;) heh |
| 19:30.22 | stew | DocDoom: what abrotman said |
| 19:30.27 | DocDoom | ok il try that |
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| 19:30.39 | md5sum | mhall: I'm noticing huge speed increases now :) thanks for your help |
| 19:30.42 | mhall | md5sum: also the reason it's showing more processes |
| 19:30.42 | mhall | md5sum: also the reason it's showing more processes |
| 19:30.44 | chedabob | has anybody had any luck with the native rt2500 wlan driver? |
| 19:30.47 | mhall | md5sum: i think i figured it out |
| 19:30.51 | stew | DocDoom: then reboot, then do what "/msg dpkg alsa one-liner" says |
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| 19:31.01 | mhall | md5sum: it shows the threads of all the processes as seperate processes |
| 19:31.25 | mhall | md5sum: and you'll get multiple java processes then, because azureus uses threads to get good performance and optimal resource usage |
| 19:31.43 | DocDoom | but should i use 686? |
| 19:31.58 | mhall | md5sum: renicing azureus won't do a whole lot network-wise because the sockets are buffered by the kernel automatically |
| 19:31.59 | ethan-allison | DocDoom: for pentium 2/celeron or higher |
| 19:32.06 | mhall | md5sum: so that part should still behave OK. |
| 19:32.10 | DocDoom | ahh ok, well here goes then:-) |
| 19:32.10 | DocDoom | ahh ok, well here goes then:-) |
| 19:32.16 | stew | DocDoom: yes |
| 19:32.22 | stew | !686 |
| 19:32.22 | dpkg | In a kernel version string, -686 refers to the Intel Pentium Pro, Pentium II, Celeron, Pentium III, Pentium IV, Pentium M (as in the chip used in the "Centrino" brand). not correct for EM64T Xeon/Pentium4's, which should use a -em64t-p4 kernel |
| 19:32.30 | cosminb | i'm offtopic, but don't know where to ask : anyone knows if google, when indexing, ignores a page that finishes rendering in 5s or so? |
| 19:32.37 | chedabob | Has anybody use the native rt2500 beta with debian yet? i cant seem to get it working at all |
| 19:32.50 | md5sum | mhall: I hate java... I reniced the actual java process (because grep for ps aux resulted in a java process) and that worked nicely |
| 19:32.53 | spdf | chedabob, Does the module load atleast? |
| 19:32.53 | spdf | chedabob, Does the module load atleast? |
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| 19:33.02 | chedabob | how can i tell? |
| 19:33.09 | spdf | chedabob, lsmod | grep rt |
| 19:33.16 | md5sum | mhall: java seems to drag on every platform... platform-independent language is nice, but damn, make it speed-efficient heh |
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| 19:33.27 | chedabob | spdf ye |
| 19:33.37 | chedabob | i can see rt2500 at the top of the list |
| 19:33.52 | spdf | chedabob, You've installed wireless-tools as well? |
| 19:33.58 | chedabob | yup |
| 19:34.03 | chedabob | how do i use them? |
| 19:34.07 | chedabob | cant find them |
| 19:34.08 | spdf | chedabob, iwconfig |
| 19:34.08 | spdf | chedabob, iwconfig |
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| 19:34.23 | spdf | chedabob, Is there a wlan0 or similar? |
| 19:34.37 | chedabob | i type iwconfig and it says no wireless extensions |
| 19:34.37 | spdf | chedabob, (When you run iwconfig) |
| 19:34.37 | spdf | chedabob, (When you run iwconfig) |
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| 19:34.50 | mhall | md5sum: part of the problem is the java developers |
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| 19:34.51 | chedabob | its configured to be ra0 |
| 19:35.02 | mhall | md5sum: but yes, you are right to renice the java processes |
| 19:35.11 | mhall | md5sum: azureus doesn't have any processes of its own ;-) |
| 19:35.14 | spdf | chedabob, Okay, iwconfig ra0 |
| 19:35.18 | azeem | is there a way to tell exim4 not to send bounces back to a specific address/host? |
| 19:35.18 | azeem | is there a way to tell exim4 not to send bounces back to a specific address/host? |
| 19:35.27 | chedabob | says no device |
| 19:35.30 | locsmif | bye |
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| 19:35.46 | mhall | azeem: probably |
| 19:35.54 | mhall | azeem: but configuring mail demons is sux |
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| 19:36.02 | navegaweb | hello |
| 19:36.07 | chedabob | hello |
| 19:36.07 | chedabob | hello |
| 19:36.30 | chedabob | spdf any ideas? |
| 19:36.32 | spdf | chedabob, Try removing the module (modprobe -r rt2500), and then "modprobe rt2500 if_name=wlan0 |
| 19:36.45 | azeem | I wonder whether I could use /etc/email-addresses for that |
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| 19:37.17 | dondelelcaro | does anyone know if grub-install now works with software raid 1 devices? [Ie, can you go grub-install --root-directory /foo/bar /dev/md0; and have it "do the right thing"?] |
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| 19:37.31 | chedabob | spdf nothing |
| 19:37.42 | spdf | chedabob, still nothing in iwconfig? |
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| 19:38.02 | chedabob | spdf: nothing |
| 19:38.19 | spdf | chedabob, what does dmesg say? |
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| 19:39.03 | chedabob | rt2500:if_name unknown parameter |
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| 19:39.19 | abrotman | !find if_name |
| 19:39.28 | spdf | chedabob, ahh.. doesn't take that one then... modprobe without that option then.. |
| 19:39.31 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'if_name' returned no results. |
| 19:39.39 | mhall | md5sum: try ps Hauxww |
| 19:39.49 | mhall | md5sum: that seems to show the hidden processes ;-) |
| 19:39.56 | chedabob | spdf still nothing in iwconfig |
| 19:40.06 | md5sum | mhall: ahhh thanks |
| 19:40.08 | spdf | chedabob, what about dmesg? |
| 19:40.19 | chedabob | hasnt changed |
| 19:40.19 | mhall | md5sum: yeah i did a search for thread in man ps |
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| 19:40.26 | Asmodee` | i read a few howtos for courier + ssl, but they seem like they're missing something.. they essentially go through how to generate the SSL keys and then say do apt-get install courier-ssl courier-imap-ssl courier-pop-ssl and then restart the daemons, but it doesnt work. when i try to check my mail using outlook using SSL the server says 'unknown command'. any ideas? |
| 19:40.30 | mhall | md5sum: might check it out, there are a lot of tricks it can do with threads |
| 19:40.43 | spdf | chedabob, dmesg | grep "rt2500" |
| 19:41.08 | chedabob | unknow parameter: if_name |
| 19:41.12 | mhall | Asmodee`: perhaps outlook is trying to negotiate SSL or TLS when the mail server expects TLS or SSL |
| 19:41.22 | DocDoom | hmm i dident get a one liner, is that bad, just started KDE |
| 19:41.24 | mhall | Asmodee`: also investigate what port it's trying to use |
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| 19:41.27 | spdf | chedabob, Is the module loaded now though? |
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| 19:41.27 | spdf | chedabob, Is the module loaded now though? |
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| 19:41.47 | mhall | Asmodee`: and nmap yourself or run netstat -an to make sure you are listening to the right ports with the right processes |
| 19:42.00 | chedabob | spdf: guess so |
| 19:42.01 | md5sum | mhall: nice (no pun intended lol) |
| 19:42.07 | mhall | Asmodee`: also try using ethereal to see if the session that runs makes any sense |
| 19:42.13 | spdf | chedabob, Guess so, or it is? |
| 19:42.22 | mhall | md5sum: hehehe |
| 19:42.32 | chedabob | how do i find out? |
| 19:42.36 | spdf | chedabob, lsmod |
| 19:42.38 | mhall | md5sum: you can do anything on UNIX with ps |
| 19:42.38 | mhall | md5sum: you can do anything on UNIX with ps |
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| 19:42.49 | spdf | I've seen ps make toast.. no joke. |
| 19:42.55 | mhall | spdf: lol |
| 19:43.01 | chedabob | yes |
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| 19:43.06 | nvz | I need to head back to bed soon before I get way too drunk :P |
| 19:43.10 | DocDoom | should i do sumthing to o get the dpkg conf? |
| 19:43.10 | mhall | there are a few unix utilities that are just about universal |
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| 19:43.26 | DocDoom | or did you meen that i should run dpkg config? |
| 19:43.28 | mhall | cat, more, ps, kill, maybe awk or perl |
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| 19:43.39 | mhall | and of course the shell |
| 19:43.49 | mhall | even a sucky shell can still do a whole huge shitload of stuff |
| 19:43.51 | nvz | vi, but thats technically a bsd thing |
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| 19:44.14 | fwtest | anyone knows linux news like linux journal or slashdot which he/she want to recommend? |
| 19:44.16 | mhall | nvz: yeah i suppose, but i don't really think of it as a utility |
| 19:44.16 | mhall | nvz: yeah i suppose, but i don't really think of it as a utility |
| 19:44.20 | chedabob | spdf: ye it is |
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| 19:44.27 | chedabob | spdf: says it is used by 0 |
| 19:44.27 | mhall | nvz: it doesn't have a utility-style interface |
| 19:44.37 | mhall | nvz: then again, more sort of doesn't either |
| 19:44.41 | mhall | nvz: and i left out grep |
| 19:44.46 | nvz | has a drunken idiot style interface IMO |
| 19:44.46 | sven-tek | hi, with what toold is the debian-installer build? id like to build a software for terminals with similar menus... |
| 19:44.46 | sven-tek | hi, with what toold is the debian-installer build? id like to build a software for terminals with similar menus... |
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| 19:45.01 | sven-tek | tools |
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| 19:45.09 | spdf | chedabob, You should atleast be seeing something in dmesg |
| 19:45.27 | mhall | sven-tek: i believe the dialog library |
| 19:45.48 | nvz | I agree with stallman on nearly everything. especially that vi is wack |
| 19:45.52 | stew | fwtest: /msg dpkg dwn |
| 19:45.54 | mhall | scotti: also the slang library |
| 19:46.00 | chedabob | spdf: dmesg hasnt changed |
| 19:46.04 | mhall | nvz: yes; i'm a closet stallman agreer |
| 19:46.18 | mhall | nvz: i didn't used to be until i switched my desktop to 100% linux |
| 19:46.30 | sven-tek | is it ncurses? |
| 19:46.31 | sven-tek | is it ncurses? |
| 19:46.32 | mhall | nvz: and it made me see that you really can live without proprietary software |
| 19:46.39 | mhall | sven-tek: slang is like ncurses on steroids |
| 19:46.48 | mhall | sven-tek: and i think dialog is a friendly interface to it |
| 19:46.59 | nvz | mhall: I've been doing it for 5 years |
| 19:47.00 | mhall | sven-tek: that makes it easy to put together powerful "graphical" shell scripts |
| 19:47.08 | fwtest | stew, is there any more generally one? not special for debian |
| 19:47.32 | mhall | nvz: stallman is a goofy bastard but there are a lot of things he's right about if you ignore the trolling and the hard-edge egotisticality |
| 19:47.33 | nvz | mhall: after my experience with Windows 2000 I switched to linux and never looked back |
| 19:47.35 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 19:47.35 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. |
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| 19:47.48 | spdf | chedabob, You're sure that the interface is ra0? Could it be ral0? |
| 19:47.50 | mhall | nvz: what did it for me was windows server 2003 disservice pack 1 |
| 19:48.01 | chedabob | will there be a package for rt2500 native driver soon? i reckon that would make life so much easier |
| 19:48.13 | chedabob | spdf: no such device |
| 19:48.21 | sven-tek | i've got a rt2500 too |
| 19:48.25 | DocDoom | oknow alsa went in, but i cant find the device in KsCD |
| 19:48.29 | chedabob | how did u get it working? |
| 19:48.45 | chedabob | sven-tek: its driving me nuts. ive been working at it for nearly 3 weeks |
| 19:48.47 | Mardus | mhall: heh, disservice pack :) |
| 19:48.49 | dampjam | I'm trying to mount an nfs drive for the first time in Debian. I typed mount -t nfs servername.tld:/mount/point /where/to/mount, and it just sits there hanging until I hit ctrl+c, do I have to install any extra packages besides nfs-common? |
| 19:48.52 | sven-tek | installed breezy, put the card in, works |
| 19:49.03 | chedabob | sven-tek: you got a guide |
| 19:49.05 | chedabob | ? |
| 19:49.05 | chedabob | ? |
| 19:49.37 | stew | fwtest: i dunno |
| 19:49.39 | sven-tek | can you modprobe rt2500? |
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| 19:49.55 | nvz | mhall: I upgraded to Windows Media Player 6.4 or whatever was current at the time through windows update on Win2k Pro and it rebooted of course, then said "Windows Setup" and kept rebooting and doing that over and over |
| 19:49.58 | spdf | chedabob, When you load the module, there should be atleast one new line of SOMETHING about the driver module loading.. |
| 19:49.59 | chedabob | doesnt do anything when i type it |
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| 19:50.11 | chedabob | spdf: at the top of the list or bottom? |
| 19:50.13 | sven-tek | chedabob, soes lsmod tell its loaded? |
| 19:50.27 | chedabob | ye |
| 19:50.43 | spdf | chedabob, if you run the command 'dmesg', it would be at the bottom... remove the module by "modprobe -r rt2500" and then "modprobe rt2500", then run dmesg |
| 19:50.46 | mhall | Mardus: yeah i installed the motherfucker and my drive became unbootable |
| 19:50.47 | chedabob | i followed the guide on serialmonkey but there were a few problems like directories not existing |
| 19:50.51 | mhall | Mardus: and the disk was encrypted |
| 19:50.55 | sven-tek | chedabob, your done - iwconfig ra0 up && ifconfig ra0 10.10.10.1 up && dhclient |
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| 19:51.02 | mhall | Mardus: so i had to use a fucking DOS utility to decrypt it |
| 19:51.09 | Mardus | mhall: Oh wow. |
| 19:51.15 | fincan | hi everybody |
| 19:51.23 | mhall | Mardus: so i'd consider that a pretty big disservice |
| 19:51.42 | mhall | Mardus: but in linux i can use loop AES courtesy of loop-aes.sf.net and it works just beautifully |
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| 19:51.55 | fincan | I have a problem installing debian testing to my laptop, can anybody help me? |
| 19:52.04 | xelam | be more specific |
| 19:52.06 | spdf | fincan, I'm sure someone can.. Just ask.. |
| 19:52.15 | mhall | Mardus: not to mention the command line is so extremely productive |
| 19:52.15 | Mardus | nvz: I haven't had those bad WindowsUpdate stories. Only one case was when there was this update that checked the registry, but didn't update the registry, as it was supposed to, while reporting that the update was installed and on the next check, the update that was installed, was 'not installed' there again. |
| 19:52.15 | mhall | Mardus: not to mention the command line is so extremely productive |
| 19:52.20 | fincan | ok, thanks :) |
| 19:52.22 | chedabob | sven-tek: says unknown wireless request "up" |
| 19:52.26 | fincan | here's the problem: |
| 19:52.28 | mhall | Mardus: i just finished my first real job at a big UNIX place |
| 19:52.35 | spdf | chedabob, I think he meant ifconfig ra0 up |
| 19:52.37 | mhall | Mardus: and i was good with it before but now it's genetic |
| 19:52.37 | mhall | Mardus: and i was good with it before but now it's genetic |
| 19:52.46 | Mardus | mhall: I mostly use the command line for managing files, but I haven't studied bash further. |
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| 19:53.07 | peterS | Mardus: amazing things you can do with bash, if you're not used to having the facilities of a real shell |
| 19:53.08 | sven-tek | chedabob, perhaps iam wrong with iwconfig |
| 19:53.23 | mhall | Mardus: give me 20 shells and i'll 1337h4x04iz3 t3h 1n74rw3b f00r s|_|r3 |
| 19:53.24 | mhall | Mardus: give me 20 shells and i'll 1337h4x04iz3 t3h 1n74rw3b f00r s|_|r3 |
| 19:53.33 | chedabob | ok different response: ERROR while getting interface flags: No Such Device |
| 19:53.35 | fincan | system spec: Dell Inspiron 700m, 60gb hdd, first partition is Dell Rescue, Second is Windows XP (bootable flag on), third is Reiserfs for debian (5gb), and fourth is the swap (1gb) |
| 19:53.40 | mhall | peterS: especially when you have advance completion enabled |
| 19:53.50 | mhall | peterS: i haven't typed a full apt-get command or package name in months |
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| 19:53.56 | Mardus | mhall: LOL |
| 19:53.58 | mhall | peterS: just hit tab and it types it all out for me |
| 19:54.03 | fincan | When I try to install from the testing netinstall image, it gives me an error on the "base installation" step |
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| 19:54.10 | fincan | whic is" |
| 19:54.18 | spdf | I aliased "apti |
| 19:54.30 | peterS | mhall: yeah, true. I meant more like simple loops - you use them all the time once you get comfortable with them - but someone used to things like cmd.exe would not be |
| 19:54.30 | peterS | mhall: yeah, true. I meant more like simple loops - you use them all the time once you get comfortable with them - but someone used to things like cmd.exe would not be |
| 19:54.31 | mhall | Mardus: also i love the hotkeys for jumping between virtual desktops and shell windows, and the kde konsole shell tabs |
| 19:54.34 | fincan | An error was returned while trying to install the initrd-tools package onto to the target system |
| 19:55.03 | sven-tek | chedabob, perhaps youre not german but understand something, or can use it as well: http://www.tuxhardware.de/category47_67/product431/product_info.html |
| 19:55.05 | mhall | peterS: yeah it's sort of like C when you discover preprocessor macros |
| 19:55.05 | mhall | peterS: yeah it's sort of like C when you discover preprocessor macros |
| 19:55.19 | mhall | peterS: you don't need them a lot but when you do it'd really suck if you didn't know about it |
| 19:55.25 | Mardus | mhall: Oh well, I am not that advanced yet, 'cause I always use old computers... But that mostly requires the command line, when doing some resource intensive jobs. |
| 19:55.43 | stew | fincan: are you installing with the 2.4 kernel or the 2.6 kenrel? |
| 19:55.44 | chedabob | sven-tek: i know a little german |
| 19:55.45 | chedabob | sven-tek: i know a little german |
| 19:55.46 | mhall | Mardus: my box is not real new except the monitor |
| 19:55.47 | fincan | 2.6 |
| 19:55.49 | defsy | I want to add a personal exec entry in the "root-menu" section defined in /etc/xdg/openbox/menu.xml How can I do that? The "menu" doc didn't tell or I looked in the wrong places :-S |
| 19:55.49 | Gnea | hrm |
| 19:55.49 | Gnea | hrm |
| 19:55.50 | Mardus | mhall: I used to tinker with DOS, even changed its text colour, but left that, once I got a graphical system there. |
| 19:55.53 | mhall | Mardus: my monitor is 1337h4x0r |
| 19:55.59 | fincan | stew: 2.6 kernel |
| 19:56.13 | Gnea | fincan: what error?" |
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| 19:56.37 | chedabob | sven-tek: cant do qmake |
| 19:56.38 | Mardus | mhall: The box that I use is very old (a Pentium 120, with 32M of RAM. The hard drive is just newer. |
| 19:56.41 | fincan | Gnea: An error was returned while trying to install the initrd-tools package onto to the target system |
| 19:56.50 | stew | fincan: the testing images have been a little sketchy, you might be better off installing sarge and dist-upgrading |
| 19:56.51 | xelam | testing is broken ;) |
| 19:56.52 | xelam | imo |
| 19:57.00 | mhall | Mardus: wow you aren't kidding |
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| 19:57.18 | Mardus | mhall: As you know, this used to be a very standard configuration. |
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| 19:57.24 | Gnea | !tell fincan about ask |
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| 19:57.31 | spdf | fincan, I agree with stew. It takes an extra 5mins maybe.. |
| 19:57.35 | mhall | Mardus: the oldest box i have is either a 333 mhz Sun Ultra 10 or a 266 mhz PIII |
| 19:57.43 | fincan | stew: hmm, ok. I was trying to find if there is a workaround for that, thank you |
| 19:57.44 | mhall | Mardus: oops 266 mhz PII |
| 19:57.57 | stew | fincan: you can check bugs.debian.org/debian-installer |
| 19:57.57 | sven-tek | chedabob, if you really want the qt3-utility for the card you need the qt3-devel package |
| 19:57.57 | sven-tek | chedabob, if you really want the qt3-utility for the card you need the qt3-devel package |
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| 19:58.02 | spdf | The oldest I've got is a 6yr old eMachine, 466mhz, runs my website... its a beast |
| 19:58.06 | Gnea | fincan: you may wish to re-evaluate how you form your statements and try to avoid repeating vagueness continually |
| 19:58.06 | peterS | mhall: heh, I was gonna say, nobody shipped PIII as slow as 266 MHz |
| 19:58.16 | mhall | Mardus: you get my old-school award (TM) |
| 19:58.26 | chedabob | would anybody be willing to make a package for the rt2500 native drivers? |
| 19:58.28 | mhall | spdf: lol! yeah i had one of their laptops. |
| 19:58.34 | DocDoom | ok i installed the new kernel and everything, and now i had more succes in finding the soundcard, but i still cant get any sound out of the applications. and i dident get a dpkg line |
| 19:58.40 | Boggler | can anyone here help me configure X server? |
| 19:58.44 | mhall | spdf: then i switched to an AMD64 and traded it to my old roommate in Seattle for a month's rent |
| 19:58.47 | spdf | I threw my last 486 down the garbage chute.. It was awesome |
| 19:58.50 | Gnea | !anyone |
| 19:58.50 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 19:58.55 | fincan | Thank you everybody, I'll go with the stable then |
| 19:58.56 | stew | fincan: looks like maybe #331324 . how old is your netinst? |
| 19:58.56 | mhall | spdf: i bet that was hilarious |
| 19:58.57 | spdf | mhall, lol, thats fair |
| 19:58.57 | spdf | mhall, lol, thats fair |
| 19:59.00 | Mardus | Oh, I think even back in 2001 I still could use a 486sx33 with a graphical user interface (no UNIX/Linux there yet) |
| 19:59.14 | spdf | mhall, I should have taken pictures.. It went down six floors and smashed into the bottom of an empty dumpster.. |
| 19:59.15 | fincan | stew: I just downloaded it yesterday |
| 19:59.19 | mhall | spdf: rent was $550 and i figured i'd give him a deal on my old laptop since he was cool |
| 19:59.30 | mhall | spdf: aww damn, you didn't get a movie ;-) |
| 19:59.38 | mhall | spdf: i bet the sfx were the best part |
| 19:59.41 | spdf | mhall, Maybe when the webserver dies ;) |
| 19:59.41 | spdf | mhall, Maybe when the webserver dies ;) |
| 19:59.43 | StartBuck | touch "test A"; touch "test B"; TEST="'test A' 'test B'"; ls -al $TEST, results in ls: 'test A' 'test B': No such file or directory....how should I do this in a bash script? |
| 19:59.50 | stew | fincan: you could also ask in in #debian-boot which is the d-i channel |
| 20:00.08 | fincan | oh ok |
| 20:00.13 | Gnea | spdf: /me wonders why TTPro is being such a butt |
| 20:00.16 | Mardus | mhall: Once the office got itself a new computer, I got this old Pentium 120, which used to run Win95. That one at first had 16Mb of RAM, but later the RAM amount was upgraded to 32Mb. |
| 20:00.17 | Mardus | mhall: Once the office got itself a new computer, I got this old Pentium 120, which used to run Win95. That one at first had 16Mb of RAM, but later the RAM amount was upgraded to 32Mb. |
| 20:00.17 | Gnea | oops |
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| 20:00.25 | Gnea | !helixsmite Gnea |
| 20:00.27 | fincan | thanks again :) |
| 20:00.32 | GloX | How can I change the language of console commands ? My system language seems to be german, I want it to be in english ... |
| 20:00.33 | spdf | !win Gnea |
| 20:00.34 | dpkg | Congratulations, Gnea! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 20:00.40 | pem3v78 | how can I change default footer the apache produces on it's pages. (e.g. operating system info) ? |
| 20:00.42 | Gnea | :o |
| 20:00.46 | Gnea | :P |
| 20:00.52 | Mardus | GloX: I think locales should do that. |
| 20:00.53 | stew | StartBuck: ask in #bash |
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| 20:00.57 | xelam | pem3v78: try #apache ;) |
| 20:00.57 | xelam | pem3v78: try #apache ;) |
| 20:01.03 | jonas3 | Debian really need a new homepage. The one in use now sucks and is a complete disaster! |
| 20:01.10 | Gnea | spdf: hrm, don't suppose you've ever used TTpro |
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| 20:01.12 | chedabob | lol |
| 20:01.14 | jonas3 | dont get me wrong. I love Debian |
| 20:01.14 | nvz | StartBuck: you would need TEST to equal something that would be recognizzed by ls for example test\ [A,B] |
| 20:01.26 | peterS | pem3v78: eh? you mean with its automatically generated directory indexes? |
| 20:01.33 | nvz | StartBuck: it thinks you are specifying one file "test A test B" |
| 20:01.39 | Gnea | it's one of those neat programs that actually makes use of the oldstable concept |
| 20:01.40 | spdf | Gnea, Table Tennis? |
| 20:01.40 | pem3v78 | peeters: yes |
| 20:01.40 | pem3v78 | peeters: yes |
| 20:01.42 | cal_ | jonas3: it's not that bad :p |
| 20:01.48 | StartBuck | nvz: I can't....the list of files in TEST is generated as part of the script dynamically |
| 20:01.49 | jonas3 | cal_: it is |
| 20:01.52 | Mardus | jonas3: the Debian homepage has to stay accessible to everyone. As long as it can convey information well, then why change it? |
| 20:01.53 | chedabob | aaaaaaaargh...debian is doing my head in. i just cant get it working. im really thinking of going back to windows :p |
| 20:01.53 | chedabob | aaaaaaaargh...debian is doing my head in. i just cant get it working. im really thinking of going back to windows :p |
| 20:01.54 | cal_ | jonas3: fairly practical :p |
| 20:01.56 | pem3v78 | peterS: yes |
| 20:01.57 | jonas3 | compared to slack, gentoo etc |
| 20:01.57 | jonas3 | compared to slack, gentoo etc |
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| 20:02.11 | StartBuck | stew: I tried...silence |
| 20:02.13 | spdf | Gnea, There's a table tennis game called TTPro.. Pretty sure you don't mean that though :P |
| 20:02.14 | Gnea | spdf: TestTrackPro, it's a bug tracking/help desk environment |
| 20:02.35 | peterS | pem3v78: that's provided by mod_autoindex. see here: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/mod/mod_autoindex.html |
| 20:02.35 | Mardus | chedabob: If your machine is relatively new, you could instead use Ubuntu or something, if you're a real beginner. |
| 20:02.39 | cal_ | jonas3: i think it's prolly gonna stay like that because it took the translator people a while to get everything done :p |
| 20:02.41 | spdf | Gnea, Never touched it |
| 20:02.41 | nvz | StartBuck: thats regaurdless of the fact you cant list files to ls like that. you would need to be more specific about what you are doing to get any help. your whole approach is wack. you cant just make shit up and expect it to work |
| 20:02.50 | ethan-allison | how do you configure wdm |
| 20:02.52 | defsy | Gnea: what is the oldstable concept? |
| 20:02.54 | chedabob | mardus: ypu, you guessed it :p |
| 20:02.56 | Gnea | spdf: yeah, it's one of those odd pieces of software |
| 20:02.56 | Gnea | spdf: yeah, it's one of those odd pieces of software |
| 20:03.02 | peterS | pem3v78: the configuration directives described on that page can be used in /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 20:03.08 | mhall | StartBuck: '' on test A makes box look for filename 'test A' |
| 20:03.13 | pem3v78 | what about error messages ? |
| 20:03.14 | lompik | hi whats the best way to get xcompmgr in debian testing ? |
| 20:03.17 | Gnea | defsy: it requires version 2.9 of libstdc++, which was removed from sarge, but kept in woody |
| 20:03.21 | cal_ | chedabob: don't lost faith - everyone hated it at first! |
| 20:03.27 | pem3v78 | I just want to get rid of system identification |
| 20:03.27 | pem3v78 | I just want to get rid of system identification |
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| 20:03.33 | spdf | lompik, compile it |
| 20:03.34 | fincan | ok, i have another question about my working debian box :) |
| 20:03.36 | defsy | Gnea: thanks :) |
| 20:03.36 | peterS | pem3v78: don't know offhand, but the docs on httpd.apache.org are your friend |
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| 20:03.36 | peterS | pem3v78: don't know offhand, but the docs on httpd.apache.org are your friend |
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| 20:03.41 | chedabob | i can run linux on my ipod no problems but on my pc.... |
| 20:03.46 | mhall | StartBuck: if you meant for there to be file 'test A' you must call touch with '' also |
| 20:03.48 | StartBuck | nvz: I'm trying to fix a bug in abcde.....it builds a list of file names in a variable, then wants to pass all of them as separate arguments to metaflac --add-replay-gain |
| 20:03.53 | Mardus | chedabob: Well, I have over a decade of computer experience in general, but just months of Linux. Maybe about six months or so. |
| 20:03.55 | pem3v78 | ok thanks |
| 20:03.55 | peterS | pem3v78: you can specify error pages for 404, 403, etc., somewhere. I just forget where / how. |
| 20:04.09 | Gnea | defsy: yeah, had to search high and low for it |
| 20:04.11 | cal_ | does linux run on ipods? :D i must be missing some slashdot somewhere :p |
| 20:04.25 | fincan | I am using ssh to connect to that system and I run long script sometimes (long = it takes 1-2 days to complete) |
| 20:04.26 | Gnea | cal_: install it and see ;P |
| 20:04.27 | Gnea | cal_: install it and see ;P |
| 20:04.34 | StartBuck | but for metaflac to work properly, it needs all the files in one go, so I cant do funky stuff with $IFS and a for loop |
| 20:04.34 | Mardus | cal_: Well, maybe NetBSD can run on iPods; I am not sure about Linux yet. |
| 20:04.46 | chedabob | mardus: been doing computers for about 11 years now but linux is totally different |
| 20:04.52 | Gnea | fincan: what's the problem? |
| 20:04.57 | nvz | StartBuck: sorry, that rased an ETOODRUNK when parsing I would go with mhall's ideas |
| 20:05.08 | stew | StartBuck: without seeing the whole picture its sounding like maybe a case for xargs |
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| 20:05.21 | Mardus | chedabob: I was actually a kid then, when I began [only] using computers like in 1994/1995... |
| 20:05.30 | chedabob | bout same time as me |
| 20:05.31 | cal_ | Mardus: its NetBSD. i expect nothing less :p |
| 20:05.32 | nvz | stew: yeah he's playing secret agent man on us |
| 20:05.32 | nvz | stew: yeah he's playing secret agent man on us |
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| 20:05.43 | cal_ | Gnea: i wish i had the money. |
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| 20:05.59 | nvz | stew: making us debug a program without source :P |
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| 20:06.14 | stew | nvz: apt-get source abcde i guess :) |
| 20:06.17 | ethan-allison | how do you configure WDM? i can't find a .wdm or /etc/wdm or anything |
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| 20:06.34 | Mardus | cal_: I gather you might have heard of NetBSD running a toaster :-) |
| 20:06.35 | nvz | stew: I mean source for his shell script |
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| 20:06.38 | Gnea | !google "linux ipod" |
| 20:06.45 | dpkg | Google says linux ipod is at http://www.cs.duke.edu/~geha/ipod/ or http://ipodlinux.sourceforge.net/ or http://www.macworld.com/2005/05/secrets/julygeekfactor/index.php or http://ipodlinux.org/Main_Page or http://pag.csail.mit.edu/~adonovan/hacks/ipod.html |
| 20:06.50 | lanchow | Results for "linux ipod" on Google: |
| 20:06.52 | Gnea | oh look at that |
| 20:06.57 | Gnea | ipodlinux.sf.net |
| 20:07.02 | stew | nvz: abcde is the shell script |
| 20:07.07 | StartBuck | trying to whittle it down to bare minimum is something like this: for TRACK in $TRACKLIST; do /* PROCESSING */ FILELIST="$FILELIST $FOUNDFILE"; done...then later metaflac --add-replay-gain "$FILELIST"....which fails miserably if one file includes a space in its path |
| 20:07.07 | defsy | Ok, question rephrased: is there a place to read about xdg (freedesktop.org stuff) on Debian? |
| 20:07.07 | defsy | Ok, question rephrased: is there a place to read about xdg (freedesktop.org stuff) on Debian? |
| 20:07.09 | chedabob | ipod linux is great. ive had zero problems with it. hardly use it thought because it uses battery too quick |
| 20:07.12 | cal_ | Gnea: lmao |
| 20:07.15 | abrotman | !xf |
| 20:07.17 | abrotman | !xfs |
| 20:07.17 | abrotman | !xfs |
| 20:07.17 | dpkg | [xfs] the filesystem developed by SGI for high-performance journalling and large disk support. see http://linux-xfs.sgi.com/projects/xfs/ or http://www.lwfug.org/debian/ for xfs deb tools and deb kernels, or far better and more mature than reiserfs, but not as mature (in linux) as ext3. check out http://people.debian.org/~blade/XFS-Install/ if you want to install woody with XFS support, or more ISOs are at http://non-gnu.uvt.nl/pub/debian-xfs/ |
| 20:07.23 | Gnea | cal_: well, you asked ;) |
| 20:07.23 | Gnea | cal_: well, you asked ;) |
| 20:07.24 | abrotman | erm .. wrong xfs |
| 20:07.25 | abrotman | !xsf |
| 20:07.25 | dpkg | well, xsf is the X Strike Force, home of Debian's XFree86 packages, at http://people.debian.org/~branden/ or http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/NEWS.xhtml |
| 20:07.25 | dpkg | well, xsf is the X Strike Force, home of Debian's XFree86 packages, at http://people.debian.org/~branden/ or http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/NEWS.xhtml |
| 20:07.27 | abrotman | there we go |
| 20:07.27 | nvz | stew: oh. I didnt know it was a script :P I am too drunk for this |
| 20:07.34 | abrotman | defsy: ^^ thta's all i know |
| 20:07.41 | chedabob | ok i have another problem: WTF is an sfs filesystem and how do i mount it? |
| 20:07.56 | StartBuck | maybe xargs is the solution.... |
| 20:08.03 | cal_ | Mardus: i heard of one fellow who ran NetBSD in the 100m sprint |
| 20:08.18 | defsy | abrotman: thanks, I will try there :-) |
| 20:08.20 | Mardus | cal_: What's a 100m sprint? |
| 20:08.21 | mhall | nvz: what are you drinking |
| 20:08.30 | chedabob | olympic sport? |
| 20:08.36 | abrotman | not that i have any idea what defsy was actually looking for ... |
| 20:08.38 | Mardus | mhall: I remember nvz talked extensively about liquor... |
| 20:08.41 | xelam | it's where you sprint (run) 100m... |
| 20:08.41 | xelam | it's where you sprint (run) 100m... |
| 20:08.44 | cal_ | Mardus: a race (running) |
| 20:08.46 | nvz | mhall: Jagermiester and RedBull |
| 20:08.47 | xelam | funny that ;0 |
| 20:08.56 | stew | !nvzdrink nvz |
| 20:08.56 | chedabob | ROFL |
| 20:08.58 | mhall | nvz: holy shit |
| 20:08.58 | mhall | nvz: holy shit |
| 20:09.01 | defsy | *g* |
| 20:09.03 | Mardus | cal_: :) |
| 20:09.04 | nvz | mhall: what :P |
| 20:09.31 | stew | i haven't had Jegermiester in a while, used to drink it often when i used to work as a cook |
| 20:09.34 | mhall | nvz: i'll se you in the next life! should i wak you up for meals? |
| 20:09.34 | nvz | mhall: I got to work in like 7 1/2 hours too :P |
| 20:09.37 | Mardus | cal_: But the toaster thing is real. |
| 20:10.12 | chedabob | hmm...a netbsd toaster...imagine the possibilities... |
| 20:10.13 | abrotman | stew: cooks drink anything :) |
| 20:10.38 | stew | abrotman: the last 3 kitchens i worked in had a bottle of jager in the reachin near the chef |
| 20:10.42 | Mardus | chedabob: Yes, well, it was even featured on Slashdot... |
| 20:10.46 | abrotman | stew: see :) |
| 20:11.10 | stew | abrotman: did you get my memo |
| 20:11.18 | abrotman | stew: memo? |
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| 20:11.42 | nvz | stew: my cousin got me introduced to the "Jagerbomb" when I was in morgantown after comming back from Texas. I soon learned to appreciate it. both jager and redbull taste like shit but when you mix them it tastes pretty good, the energy drink equalizes the down-side of the alcohol and manages to prevent hangovers from keeping you hydrated and full of caffine |
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| 20:11.48 | stew | abrotman: /msg memoserv help |
| 20:11.53 | abrotman | stew: ah .. you'll have to let me know .. i'm not sure if my company is coming or not |
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| 20:12.02 | mhall | stew cooks are crazy |
| 20:12.07 | chedabob | hey is there anyway to send a message to a computer on my domain thats running windows? |
| 20:12.07 | chedabob | hey is there anyway to send a message to a computer on my domain thats running windows? |
| 20:12.12 | abrotman | cooks: stew are crazy! |
| 20:12.24 | mhall | abrotman: hehe |
| 20:12.27 | stew | !eat me |
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| 20:12.55 | StartBuck | mmmm....xargs seems to do the trick....FILELIST="$FILELIST '$FILE'"....and later echo $FILELIST | xargs metaflac --add-replay-gain seems fine |
| 20:12.59 | StartBuck | thanks all |
| 20:13.04 | nse | Hello everybody, how to set openoffice to do spellchecks in other languages? |
| 20:13.21 | stew | StartBuck: file a bug and attache the patch! /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 20:13.37 | chedabob | laters guys |
| 20:13.41 | cal_ | Mardus: this is incredible |
| 20:13.53 | nvz | nse: I imagine it uses ispell or something as a dictionary for such things.. and afaik it doesnt come in many languages |
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| 20:14.16 | nvz | thats just my half-assed drunken input |
| 20:14.17 | nse | nvz: Yes... maybe I'm fucked. |
| 20:14.24 | nvz | nse: maybe. |
| 20:14.25 | cal_ | Mardus: i read about one 17 year old who got linux running on a mobo _inside_ a toaster though. :p |
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| 20:14.48 | asuffield | no, openoffice can't use ispell or aspell because Sun insists that everything in openoffice be owned by Sun |
| 20:14.58 | Mardus | cal_: I read the article on the toaster, and it had like a 4x28 LCD there... |
| 20:15.16 | mhall | StartBuck: wait |
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| 20:15.24 | asuffield | typical corporate sabotage of code reuse |
| 20:15.27 | nvz | this is a bit random and off-topic.. but does or did Alan Cox work for Redhat? a book I was reading mentioned something about it |
| 20:15.35 | mhall | StartBuck: try filename with one single quote in it |
| 20:15.39 | abrotman | nvz: he still does .. kind of |
| 20:15.48 | mhall | StartBuck: sometimes breaks xargs |
| 20:15.50 | abrotman | iirc .. he's supposed to be on a sabbatical-ish thing |
| 20:16.05 | jim | is openoffice GPLed? |
| 20:16.05 | jim | is openoffice GPLed? |
| 20:16.15 | StartBuck | mhall: umm...yes it does |
| 20:16.32 | cal_ | Mardus: and it had an ARM chip :! |
| 20:16.32 | cal_ | Mardus: and it had an ARM chip :! |
| 20:16.33 | nvz | I know Linus doesnt want to get involved for political reasons, though Alan is like one of Linus' right hand men when it comes to critical decisions I would think he would share Linus view on that |
| 20:16.44 | abrotman | nvz: view on what? |
| 20:16.53 | nvz | abrotman: not getting involved with any one distro |
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| 20:17.08 | abrotman | nvz: they employed alan to be a kernel hacker iirc |
| 20:17.10 | stew | StartBuck: i havne't looked at the code you are looking at but now its sounding like maybe you want a "find ... -print0 | xargs -0" |
| 20:17.16 | abrotman | and to stabilize the kernels that RH would distribute |
| 20:17.17 | nvz | abrotman: yeah. thats what I read. |
| 20:17.18 | Mardus | cal_: here's the slashdot article: http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/08/11/1754253&tid=222&tid=133&tid=7 |
| 20:17.30 | azeem | nvz: Alan might have been a RH employee before become Linus' right hand |
| 20:17.31 | cal_ | Mardus: yeah, i found it :D |
| 20:17.31 | jim | is openoffice GPLed? |
| 20:17.32 | Mardus | cal_: I have to leave now. |
| 20:17.32 | Mardus | cal_: I have to leave now. |
| 20:17.32 | mhall | stew: problem is he has file list already |
| 20:17.35 | abrotman | nvz: i wouldn't really call that politics |
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| 20:17.44 | cal_ | Mardus: cya later man |
| 20:17.46 | abrotman | azeem: there was no corporate RH then |
| 20:17.46 | abrotman | azeem: there was no corporate RH then |
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| 20:17.49 | Mardus | mhmh |
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| 20:17.49 | Mardus | mhmh |
| 20:17.50 | cal_ | Mardus: goodnight |
| 20:17.54 | Mardus | nite |
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| 20:18.23 | abrotman | azeem: iirc .. he was doing kernel work long before being hired by RH |
| 20:18.33 | jim | yeah, wayyyy long |
| 20:18.40 | jim | back in 94 and before |
| 20:18.41 | azeem | abrotman: yeah, but was he that important back then? |
| 20:18.41 | azeem | abrotman: yeah, but was he that important back then? |
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| 20:18.42 | bushito | how can i make my sound card play multiples sounds at same time??? |
| 20:18.43 | StartBuck | stew...I can't...all the bazillion steps that abcde has taken previously means that I can't simply "find" the proper files to work on |
| 20:18.43 | asuffield | redhat pays alan to do kernel work, for about five years now |
| 20:18.44 | azeem | dunno, really |
| 20:18.44 | azeem | dunno, really |
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| 20:18.57 | Initiate | how can i check my current version of glibc ? |
| 20:19.00 | nvz | abrotman: well I have heard that Linus doesnt want to get involved because he is still pretty much the final arbitrator of linux's direction mostly because he works dilligently and nobody has made any complaints.. and he doesnt want to get involved with one distro because it would make people think it was better or giving them an edge. I'd call that political |
| 20:19.03 | azeem | Initiate: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 20:19.03 | azeem | Initiate: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 20:19.14 | jim | Initiate: ls /lib/libc* |
| 20:19.27 | jim | (dist-indep method) |
| 20:19.30 | Initiate | thanks |
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| 20:19.44 | abrotman | nvz: yes .. but alan gets paid to do work for RH .. among other things |
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| 20:20.50 | abrotman | azeem: guess i was wrong .. unless they hired rigth after thier IPO |
| 20:20.52 | Sashi | problem :P |
| 20:21.02 | Sashi | when i try to complie something i get a /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lz |
| 20:21.06 | jim | !solution |
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| 20:21.24 | jim | Sashi: then find out how to get libz |
| 20:21.27 | abrotman | http://new.linuxjournal.com/article/5045 .. nvz .. old interview with Cox |
| 20:21.29 | Sashi | .. |
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| 20:21.33 | Sashi | apt-get libz? |
| 20:21.34 | StartBuck | or maybe if I can concatenate the list with NULL's in it and then pass that to xargs -0....hmmm |
| 20:21.34 | StartBuck | or maybe if I can concatenate the list with NULL's in it and then pass that to xargs -0....hmmm |
| 20:21.41 | jim | find out how. |
| 20:21.43 | jim | research. |
| 20:21.47 | jim | look up. |
| 20:21.52 | jim | look down. |
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| 20:22.06 | jim | face east. |
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| 20:22.35 | nvz | abrotman: this isnt about money, its about principals, beliefs.. whatever Stallman realized long ago he had to make a living but he was too stubborn to give up on what he believed in just to make it. I am just getting at how Alan's priorities differ from that of Linus |
| 20:22.38 | jim | (and if you believe those last three, then you -really- need to do research :) |
| 20:22.54 | abrotman | nvz: he gets paid to hack the kernel .. we should all be so lucky :) |
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| 20:23.03 | StartBuck | but how do I get nulls into a string in a bash script without using echo -E? |
| 20:23.24 | abrotman | \0 ? |
| 20:23.28 | nvz | abrotman: speaking of old articles. I also read in this book about the flamewars that broke out between linux and that guy who made minix in the early days.. I wouldnt mind digging that up and reading it some day |
| 20:23.40 | jim | StartBuck: a C string (which is probably what bash uses internally) canNOT have nulls |
| 20:23.42 | abrotman | nvz: tinnebaum? |
| 20:23.44 | nvz | abrotman: s/linux/Linus/ |
| 20:23.46 | nvz | abrotman: yeah |
| 20:23.53 | abrotman | nvz: they're archived in many places |
| 20:23.59 | jim | otoh, if it's stored with a count, then you probably could |
| 20:24.06 | mirak | I would like to put the result of a command that is on pultiple line on one line, is there a command to do that ? |
| 20:24.13 | abrotman | nvz: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/appa.html |
| 20:24.18 | abrotman | nvz: http://people.fluidsignal.com/~luferbu/misc/Linus_vs_Tanenbaum.html |
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| 20:24.53 | abrotman | nvz: roughly the same thing |
| 20:25.02 | jim | nvz: those are a fun read... almost as fun as when linus tore redhat a new asshole for releasing a snapshot gcc as stable |
| 20:25.15 | nvz | jim: heh |
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| 20:25.32 | abrotman | nvz: they both have good points .. and you can argue one is more technically correct .. but you'll have to decide on your own .. |
| 20:25.40 | mhall | StartBuck: try shell printf |
| 20:25.40 | StartBuck | jim: of course it can....echo -e "test1 test2\x00test3 test 4" | xargs -0 --max-args=1 echo....works fine |
| 20:25.40 | StartBuck | jim: of course it can....echo -e "test1 test2\x00test3 test 4" | xargs -0 --max-args=1 echo....works fine |
| 20:25.51 | StartBuck | mhall: will do |
| 20:25.56 | nvz | jim: I still havent read all of the linux source. I find that shit funny too. I sat and read the early 1.x stuff that was mostly all Linus and there are some funny comments and code segments |
| 20:25.58 | asuffield | basically, Tanenbaum is a self-important twat with no sense of the real world, and Torvalds has no patience for people who live inside their own heads |
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| 20:26.03 | asuffield | it went downhill from there |
| 20:26.11 | abrotman | at least now i see where dorks can't figure out lose vs loose .. linus couldn't either |
| 20:26.19 | jim | StartBuck: so then the strings must be stored as count + content |
| 20:26.20 | defsy_ | hmpf, ISDN went down and /dev/isdnctl disappeared. Damn fritz! "driver" :-( |
| 20:26.40 | jim | or (ugh) a linked list of chars... |
| 20:26.42 | mhall | jim: pray facing Portland, where the Tuxmaster himself resides |
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| 20:27.02 | jim | mhall: linus moved there? |
| 20:27.12 | jim | hmm, he'll be much wetter |
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| 20:27.34 | stew | nah, just wet more frequently |
| 20:27.58 | jim | (oxymoron follows:) same difference :) |
| 20:28.43 | mhall | StartBuck: shell printf is fast because it doesn't do I/O or pipes |
| 20:28.48 | mhall | StartBuck: or fork a process |
| 20:29.05 | jim | does echo? |
| 20:29.15 | mhall | jim: he came from the nordic |
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| 20:29.29 | mhall | jim: no it doesn't but for stuff like this i think printf has the better interface |
| 20:29.36 | mhall | jim: echo is just another way of looking at printf |
| 20:29.36 | mhall | jim: echo is just another way of looking at printf |
| 20:29.38 | nvz | I started reading my copy of Peter Wayner's "Free For All" again is what got me on this. he's not really a linux person and I've spotted countless errors in the book and a lot of things are very repetitive in there. but it gives a nice overview of many aspects of the Open Source Movement and I think its a good book for newbies or interested outsiders because it kicks off with what you assume or read about in the media, a war raging between micr |
| 20:29.45 | mhall | jim: in the end it always comes down to printf |
| 20:29.55 | stew | time echo -> real 0m0.000s |
| 20:30.05 | mhall | jim: all roads lead to Rome, all UNIX commands to printf |
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| 20:31.16 | StartBuck | mhall: blaaarf....bash seems to kill off the nulls....TEST=`printf "%s\0%s" "test A" "test B"` ; echo $TEST | xargs -0 --max-args=1 echo...gives test Atest B....while printf "%s\0%s" "test A" "test B" | xargs -0 --max-args=1 echo....gives test A and test B on separate lines as expected |
| 20:31.35 | nvz | what I find unbelievable is he said people like Alan Cox and many others have read his book before it was released. I cant believe thats true with all the errors in my copy.. I havent checked his site yet to see if they've been corrected since I got the book.. but I cant believe highly analytical people like Alan and Stallman could have read this thing and not spotted the countless errors in it |
| 20:31.49 | jim | maan! but I don wanna go to rome! |
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| 20:32.14 | dondelelcaro | nvz: it's the difference between "had the book" and "actually read the book" |
| 20:32.38 | nvz | dondelelcaro: heh. yeah I think he exaggerated a bit. maybe he sent them copies I dont think they read it |
| 20:33.17 | DAC1138 | anyone have an apt-get rpo for openoffice.org 2.0? |
| 20:33.23 | StartBuck | hmm.....TEST="'test A' 'test B'"; eval "metaflac --add-replay-gain $TEST"...might be a workable solution |
| 20:33.32 | proti | Need help with pppoe and netfilter. My config was working ok until recently. Now nat is no more working. |
| 20:33.43 | Nihilanth | i'm trying to compile gaim from source (the newest version) on 3.1 and it says i don't have gtk and glib installed when i do |
| 20:33.47 | Nihilanth | what should i do? |
| 20:34.14 | proti | Nihilanth: Install them. |
| 20:34.15 | mhall | StartBuck: try using $() operator in place of `` |
| 20:34.18 | jim | Nihilanth: ever built anything in debian, and using its libs? |
| 20:34.24 | StartBuck | Nihilanth: apt-get build-dep |
| 20:34.29 | nvz | dondelelcaro: having been involved for many years after reading the book myself I didnt find it incredibly interesting, but I think its a really decent starting point for people who are outsiders like himself. It really grabs your attention telling you what you want to hear right from the first page, and throughout the book he corrects what the media has portrayed and gives a pretty accurate tale of many aspects of the Open communites such as L |
| 20:34.34 | mhall | StartBuck: strings in "" get separated into unit components |
| 20:34.35 | StartBuck | mhall: okidoki |
| 20:34.35 | StartBuck | mhall: okidoki |
| 20:34.58 | Nihilanth | jim: no |
| 20:35.03 | Nihilanth | StartBuck: i'll try taht |
| 20:35.15 | jim | Nihilanth: but have you done so using other unix/linux? |
| 20:35.20 | Nihilanth | jim: yes |
| 20:35.24 | mhall | nvz: perhaps they did spot them and he ignored it |
| 20:35.30 | jim | even maybe built a lib? |
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| 20:35.37 | Nihilanth | ye |
| 20:35.39 | Nihilanth | i have |
| 20:35.39 | Nihilanth | i have |
| 20:35.50 | nvz | mhall: that would be downright stupid, arrogant and ignorant of him |
| 20:35.52 | StartBuck | mhall: TEST=$(printf "%s\0%s" "test A" "test B") ; echo -n $TEST | xargs -0 --max-args=1 echo....still gives...testAtestB as output |
| 20:35.52 | StartBuck | mhall: TEST=$(printf "%s\0%s" "test A" "test B") ; echo -n $TEST | xargs -0 --max-args=1 echo....still gives...testAtestB as output |
| 20:36.09 | mhall | nvz: writer / journalism people do this |
| 20:36.26 | jim | ok... so you know, that when you build and install a lib from its source that everything is there... build time and run time (and debug, and profile, and, and, ...) |
| 20:36.39 | StartBuck | mhall: not sure what you meant by "strings in "" get separated into unit components" though...did you see a problem with the eval approach? |
| 20:36.47 | mhall | StartBuck: one sec |
| 20:36.52 | jim | yes? |
| 20:36.53 | Initiate | mmm,how do i burn a dvd image with gnome baker ? :S |
| 20:36.57 | Nihilanth | StartBuck: wait, what do you mean exactly, build-dep? |
| 20:36.59 | mhall | StartBuck: alright |
| 20:37.25 | StartBuck | Nihilanth: apt-get build-dep <package> should get the build-depends for that source-package |
| 20:37.35 | mhall | StartBuck: printf "%s\0%s" "test A" "test B" | xargs -0 --max-args=1 echo |
| 20:37.38 | nvz | the title alone offends me a bit, as well as the repition of many points.. but its like I said a good reference point for people who like hiself dont have carnal knowlage of the free software. the title is "Free For All" but it goes with the subtitle that I dont like "How linux and the free software movement undercut the high tech titans" or something like that. I am paraphrasing off the top of my head. :P |
| 20:37.43 | jim | hmm, perhaps you're not interested in how this scene actually works... |
| 20:37.52 | Nihilanth | StartBuck: So i just reinstall gtk, glib, etc by using that, and i'll have all the necessary stuff? |
| 20:37.52 | Nihilanth | StartBuck: So i just reinstall gtk, glib, etc by using that, and i'll have all the necessary stuff? |
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| 20:38.04 | mhall | StartBuck: that works at least on my box |
| 20:38.11 | Boy-18 | hi |
| 20:38.13 | mhall | StartBuck: i get test A\ntest B\n |
| 20:38.14 | nvz | I've read worse books on the subject. |
| 20:38.14 | nvz | I've read worse books on the subject. |
| 20:38.15 | StartBuck | Nihilanth: no...just run that, it will install gtk-dev, glib-dev, etc |
| 20:38.15 | jim | really, really uninterested... |
| 20:38.16 | StartBuck | Nihilanth: no...just run that, it will install gtk-dev, glib-dev, etc |
| 20:38.16 | jim | really, really uninterested... |
| 20:38.45 | Nihilanth | StartBuck: ohh okay, thank you! |
| 20:38.52 | StartBuck | mhall: agreed...problem is that the array is first built sequentially....and later used, so I cant pipe directly, need intermediate storage |
| 20:39.08 | mhall | StartBuck: hmm |
| 20:39.17 | Boy-18 | Hellow |
| 20:39.21 | mhall | StartBuck: can you do the array build and printout with awk? |
| 20:39.33 | Initiate | how do i burn a dvd image with gnome baker ? :S |
| 20:39.37 | jim | welp... if you get interested again... ask specific questions |
| 20:39.51 | StartBuck | mhall: I dunno...I guess, I would have to ask the DD for abcde if awk is ok, but I guess it is |
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| 20:39.59 | jim | Boy-18: /msg dpkg ask to ask |
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| 20:40.04 | mhall | i think it's essential system component |
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| 20:40.10 | mhall | StartBuck: i think it's essential system component |
| 20:40.22 | nvz | I am still reading through that Understanding The Linux Kernel from time to time as well. though I often prefer digging in the source more. I need to look and see if they've release a new edition. I've got the 2nd edition that covers linux 2.4 |
| 20:40.23 | StartBuck | mhall: yes, its used in one other place in the same script, so awk should be ok |
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| 20:41.03 | mhall | StartBuck: mawk is a required package |
| 20:41.09 | StartBuck | mhall: but my awk-script-fu is about as good as my rocket science skills |
| 20:41.16 | mhall | StartBuck: i can help |
| 20:41.18 | nvz | I hope to get back into coding some day with the same passion I had as a child learning about computers and becomming something of a kernel hacker. the kernel is really the only piece of open source I've really had a facination with so far |
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| 20:41.47 | mhall | StartBuck: send me your diff of the code and i'll help as much as i can |
| 20:41.56 | mhall | StartBuck: i've been meaning to try and become a maintainer |
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| 20:42.21 | stew | StartBuck: can you just use a bash arrray? |
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| 20:42.40 | StartBuck | mhall: have no diff....look at http://svn.hispalinux.es:8080/svn/abcde/trunk/abcde, check the do_replaygain function and I think the problem will be quite clear |
| 20:42.53 | mhall | StartBuck: alright i'll do it |
| 20:43.20 | jim | StartBuck: have you begun to do the packaging? |
| 20:43.52 | bassMonkey | quick question: will cron be able to run the scheduled tasks in "/var/spool/cron/crontabs/root" with these permissions: "-rw------- 1 root crontab" ?? don't know how to check it... |
| 20:43.52 | StartBuck | jim: no, Jesus Climent is the packager...I'm just using the package...and want it to work for space-separated files |
| 20:43.52 | StartBuck | jim: no, Jesus Climent is the packager...I'm just using the package...and want it to work for space-separated files |
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| 20:44.09 | stew | StartBuck: like TEST[0]='test a' ; TEST[1]='test b'; then do "whatever ${TEST[@]}" |
| 20:44.46 | StartBuck | stew: is that portable? the abcde script seems to go to great lengths to be...#!/bin/sh |
| 20:45.18 | StartBuck | stew: but yes, it seems to work |
| 20:45.22 | stew | StartBuck: i believe that is /bin/bash only |
| 20:45.22 | stew | StartBuck: i believe that is /bin/bash only |
| 20:45.39 | stew | StartBuck: i'll try with posh, but i don't think it'll work |
| 20:45.40 | mhall | StartBuck: no it can be any POSIX sh |
| 20:45.50 | mhall | StartBuck: dash is also eligible as is ksh93 |
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| 20:46.05 | stew | StartBuck: yeah, actually it works in posh |
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| 20:46.15 | StartBuck | mhall: meaning that an array wont work I assume? |
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| 20:46.36 | Confusion | heya can any 1 help me ? |
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| 20:46.48 | spdf | Confusion, with what? |
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| 20:47.14 | stew | StartBuck: works in dash too |
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| 20:48.06 | Confusion | to change my screen resolution |
| 20:48.34 | davidsdfkjas | :q |
| 20:48.51 | StartBuck | Confusion: first of all, try <Ctrl>+<Alt>+<Plus> or <Ctrl>+<Alt>+<Minus> |
| 20:49.12 | mhall | StartBuck: arrays are OK in POSIX shells i think |
| 20:49.20 | mhall | StartBuck: just not associative ones |
| 20:49.40 | Confusion | i`ve got only two rsolutions :o( |
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| 20:50.19 | Confusion | and two wrong ones ^^ |
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| 20:50.54 | spdf | Confusion, edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf (or /etc/X11/XF86YaddaYaddaYadda) and add the resolution you'd like to the appropiate section, in the appropiate manner, with your editor of choice.. |
| 20:52.18 | StartBuck | mhall: so something like....INDEX=0; for i in $BLAH; /* PROCESS */; FILES[$INDEX]=$RESULT; INDEX=$((( $INDEX + 1))); done;...and then....metaflac --add-replay-gain ${FILES[@]} |
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| 20:52.50 | StartBuck | is $((())) math expressions portable btw |
| 20:52.57 | mhall | StartBuck: sounds pretty good |
| 20:53.03 | mhall | StartBuck: let me check on math expressions |
| 20:53.15 | mhall | StartBuck: $() works in at least bash and ksh, probably more |
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| 20:53.57 | nvz | damn linus was cocky in his younger days. I got to read mor of this later.. right now I need to lay down and get a little rest to avoid getting any more drunk |
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| 20:54.24 | mhall | StartBuck: looks POSIX: http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/aix/aixuser/usrosdev/arithmetic_eval_korn_shell.htm#A56C21edd |
| 20:54.38 | mhall | StartBuck: let me check on $() |
| 20:54.38 | StartBuck | mhall: ehrm...you lost me, thats inline execution right? so INDEX = INDEX + 1 using $() would be? |
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| 20:55.16 | mhall | StartBuck: http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/aix/aixuser/usrosdev/cmd_subst_korn_shell.htm#A45F0148c looks good too |
| 20:55.25 | mhall | StartBuck: both $() and (()) appear POSIX |
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| 20:55.40 | mhall | StartBuck: so one assumes $( (( )) ) would be also |
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| 20:55.52 | mhall | StartBuck: however recall that $( ) means ` ` |
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| 20:56.15 | mhall | StartBuck: so maybe you only need INDEX=(( $INDEX++ )) |
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| 20:56.56 | StartBuck | mhall: syntax error :) |
| 20:56.57 | mhall | StartBuck: or better yet |
| 20:56.57 | mhall | StartBuck: or better yet |
| 20:57.05 | mhall | StartBuck: ((x = x + 1)) |
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| 20:57.10 | mhall | StartBuck: that should do it |
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| 20:57.23 | jeremywhiting | hi all, anyone here experienced with suphp and mysql? |
| 20:57.40 | StartBuck | mhall: it does |
| 20:57.40 | StartBuck | mhall: it does |
| 20:57.44 | dondelelcaro | !tell jeremywhiting -about ask |
| 20:57.48 | Confusion | when i wanna change this file it`s only reea ? |
| 20:57.48 | mhall | StartBuck: hahaha |
| 20:57.56 | mhall | StartBuck: we'll beat it into submission |
| 20:57.57 | Confusion | read |
| 20:58.11 | meff | i just installed gthumb, and it used to work fine on my last install of debian.. however, it will not show any jpg images now.. anyone know if i missed something? |
| 20:58.26 | jeremywhiting | I can't get any php scripts to connect to any mysql databases |
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| 20:58.56 | mhall | StartBuck: well i'm going to head off to meet with a professor about finishing my second major |
| 20:59.02 | jeremywhiting | phpinfo from the command line has a mysql section, but phpinfo through apache and a browser has no mysql section at all |
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| 20:59.27 | StartBuck | mhall: thanks for the help |
| 20:59.30 | jeremywhiting | is there some config for suphp to make it so you can do mysql from php scripts in debian? |
| 20:59.56 | mhall | 2PM is nigh; tis the witching hour! |
| 21:00.17 | Confusion | when i wanna config my xf86config it`s only read how i can change? |
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| 21:00.20 | Confusion | when i wanna config my xf86config it`s only read how i can change? |
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| 21:00.27 | jeremywhiting | Confusion: chmod +w filename |
| 21:00.44 | jeremywhiting | if I understand your question that is |
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| 21:01.25 | Confusion | thx |
| 21:01.54 | jim | Confusion: so that was your question? |
| 21:01.58 | jeremywhiting | anyone know where I might be going wrong? |
| 21:02.27 | jim | using mysql for one thing :) |
| 21:02.45 | jeremywhiting | it's for school, so I don't have much choice in the matter unfortunately |
| 21:03.11 | cheal | jeremywhiting: so you have php4-mysql? |
| 21:03.32 | jeremywhiting | so anyway one mysql_connect in a php script works from the command line (e.g. php testscript.php) but not from the browser |
| 21:03.35 | jim | there's a driver that lets php talk to mysql, then other than that you have to make sure mysql server is gonna let you talk |
| 21:03.35 | jeremywhiting | yes I do |
| 21:03.42 | Confusion | how i can get the right screnn resulotin i changed my xf86config now |
| 21:03.48 | CoutAway | is there any way to reconfigure the system language |
| 21:03.53 | StartBuck | Confusion: restart X |
| 21:03.53 | StartBuck | Confusion: restart X |
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| 21:04.03 | Confusion | how ? |
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| 21:04.03 | Confusion | how ? |
| 21:04.05 | jim | jeremywhiting: find out who it is connecting as |
| 21:04.05 | Confusion | ^^ |
| 21:04.17 | jim | find out who you are connecting as too |
| 21:04.34 | cheal | jeremywhiting: grep mysql /etc/php4/php.ini |
| 21:04.41 | Confusion | can i change there in this config that i wanna scroll with my mouse wheel ? |
| 21:04.50 | Confusion | and when how |
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| 21:05.06 | StartBuck | Confusion: <Ctrl>+<Alt>+<Backspace> will zap it immediately...and if you have gdm or something similar, it should restart it....but you'll lose your current IRC connection and any other X app youre running |
| 21:05.36 | jim | zap!! |
| 21:05.37 | cheal | !tell solemnwarning about away |
| 21:05.37 | cheal | !tell solemnwarning about away |
| 21:05.55 | jim | now -that- is an away message |
| 21:06.21 | jeremywhiting | cheal, there's no /etc/php4/php.ini, only cgi and cli subdirectories |
| 21:06.31 | jeremywhiting | is that my problem? |
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| 21:06.49 | jeremywhiting | maybe? |
| 21:06.49 | cheal | jeremywhiting: no I was wrong |
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| 21:07.15 | cheal | look in wherever is the php.ini for the server for which it fails |
| 21:07.17 | StartBuck | jeremywhiting: check that the mysql module is included by both php.ini files |
| 21:08.37 | jeremywhiting | got it |
| 21:08.43 | jeremywhiting | thanks all |
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| 21:09.08 | jeremywhiting | cgi one still had mysql.so commented |
| 21:09.29 | zzwomp | hi, i need glibc-devel, where can i find it? |
| 21:09.49 | relaxed | hi, apt-get install glibc-devel |
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| 21:11.06 | Schiz0 | Does anyone know the package that gives mozilla support for .bmp images? |
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| 21:11.34 | confusion | okay my resolotion is there any 1 can help how i can get my mous wheel going ? |
| 21:11.41 | meff | i dont think there is one, Schiz0 |
| 21:11.41 | meff | i dont think there is one, Schiz0 |
| 21:11.42 | jim | zzwomp: you should browse packages.debian.org to get the -correct- name (that-s not it) |
| 21:12.04 | Schiz0 | well...is there any way I can view a bitmap image then? |
| 21:12.06 | zzwomp | relaxed, im pretty new to this so i dont know whats wrong, apt-get gives me "E: Couldn't find package glibc-devel", i t should work but i dont know why |
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| 21:12.19 | cheal | Schiz0: yes |
| 21:12.26 | zzwomp | jim, ahh oki :D |
| 21:12.27 | zzwomp | tnx |
| 21:12.28 | xaureus | i have one dumb question: i've just installed php-services-weather with apt-get install; where could i find some info that could help me to use it? |
| 21:12.57 | bassMonkey | could someone check the size of their syslog please? |
| 21:12.57 | bassMonkey | could someone check the size of their syslog please? |
| 21:12.59 | meff | xaureus: try /usr/share/doc/<pkgname> |
| 21:13.06 | mirak | is there a way to revert back a debian install to the base install ? |
| 21:13.06 | mirak | is there a way to revert back a debian install to the base install ? |
| 21:13.13 | confusion | okay my resolotion is there any 1 can help how i can get my mous wheel going ? |
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| 21:13.15 | jim | zzwomp: you might try finding a file that's part of the libc package, then ask dpkg for its actual packagename |
| 21:13.20 | meff | mirak: sure, reinstall :) |
| 21:13.27 | mirak | meff: ... |
| 21:13.41 | xaureus | meff: thanks |
| 21:13.44 | StartBuck | confusion: you probably have to map the extra buttons to the z-axis...one moment |
| 21:13.45 | mirak | meff: at best I can debootstrap |
| 21:13.52 | jim | once you have that, you could try puttign -dev at the end of the name, or searching packages.debian.org for the package name you found |
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| 21:14.25 | Schiz0 | cheal- Erm..how? |
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| 21:15.09 | StartBuck | confusion: something like "ZAxisMapping 4 5" in your mouse pointer section of the X config file |
| 21:15.10 | Initiate | how can i burn a dvd image in debian or open a .mdf file ? |
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| 21:16.10 | StartBuck | confusion: you might have to play with the numbers though, usually if you have two buttons + the wheel...4 5 should be good |
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| 21:16.58 | cheal | Schiz0: with imagemagick, for example |
| 21:17.20 | confusion | ZAxisMapping 4 5 is there must i change it ? |
| 21:17.41 | confusion | its 4 5 but i can`t scroll |
| 21:18.11 | StartBuck | confusion: check if you can scroll in an xterm |
| 21:18.24 | jonas3 | Anyone have a good guide how to encrypt all disks with Debian and dmcrypt ? |
| 21:18.46 | StartBuck | confusion: if you can, its probably a per-application issue |
| 21:18.58 | confusion | i can`t scroll in my shell |
| 21:19.14 | jim | my guess would be that guide is referred to by the docs that come with dmcrypt... if not so, it's a debian documentation bug |
| 21:19.28 | jim | or there is no such guide |
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| 21:20.31 | StartBuck | confusion: is the shell xterm or some other shell? make sure you test in an xterm shell |
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| 21:21.15 | confusion | it was the bash because i`ve got no xterm ? |
| 21:23.32 | StartBuck | confusion: xterm is the terminal application...it runs bash (or whatever your shell is) in a window...you run it under X |
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| 21:24.24 | confusion | nut eith alt+f2 when i say xterm he doen`t find it |
| 21:24.35 | bassMonkey | could someone please tell me if it's normal to have syslogs (/var/log/syslog /var/log/syslog.0) both over 700 megs 2 days after install? |
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| 21:25.15 | StartBuck | confusion: install xterm then, usually xterm is a good app to test scroll-wheels in because it usually needs no extra configuration |
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| 21:25.48 | StartBuck | confusion: anyways, you should have a huge amount of information on scroll-wheels at http://colas.nahaboo.net/mouse-wheel-scroll/ |
| 21:26.01 | bgw23 | does anyone know how to browse the "network neighborhood" using samba? |
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| 21:26.21 | bgw23 | aka "my network places" |
| 21:26.21 | confusion | how i can get X and xterm ? |
| 21:26.53 | bgw23 | i can mount shares fine using smbmount |
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| 21:28.19 | bassMonkey | goddamn! it's impossible to get answers here... completely hopeless! |
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| 21:28.29 | bushito | i cant get my sound card to emule multiples sounds, it says device is busy =/ |
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| 21:28.44 | StartBuck | confusion: you already have X....X is the server responsible for your graphical display....xterm you get by typing (as root)...apt-get install xterm |
| 21:28.44 | balrog-kun | bushito: use dmix |
| 21:28.45 | balrog-kun | bushito: use dmix |
| 21:28.46 | jp- | isn't there a meta package that installs all the basic software for a development environment? |
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| 21:29.08 | ryan` | which should I use for a version for a custom package? foo_1.0-rcc1 or foo_1.0-1rcc |
| 21:29.27 | bushito | balrog-kun, dmix?? |
| 21:29.31 | StartBuck | jp-: apt-get build-dep <source-package-you-wish-to-work-with> is a good start |
| 21:29.31 | StartBuck | jp-: apt-get build-dep <source-package-you-wish-to-work-with> is a good start |
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| 21:30.11 | confusion | ok if got it now |
| 21:30.19 | confusion | i`ll type some stuff ^^ |
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| 21:30.43 | StartBuck | confusion: so, run it, type some crap so it has more lines that what is displayed in its buffer...and then try to scroll |
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| 21:31.17 | balrog-kun | apt-get gives me "Package vim has no availiable version, but it exists in the database." can i get apt to build the package from sources without interaction or something? |
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| 21:31.33 | confusion | no scrolling buddy |
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| 21:34.42 | cj | how do I tell dpkg that I've installed firefox outside of the .deb system? |
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| 21:36.27 | confusion | StartBuck: i can`t scroll anyway |
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| 21:38.09 | StartBuck | confusion: which protocol is listed in the x config file for the pointer device? |
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| 21:39.08 | confusion | mom |
| 21:40.06 | StartBuck | confusion: I doubt that "mom" is a valid mouse pointer protocol.....check for a line saying: Option "Protocol" |
| 21:40.07 | StartBuck | confusion: I doubt that "mom" is a valid mouse pointer protocol.....check for a line saying: Option "Protocol" |
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| 21:40.46 | astronut | i have a box that does NAT...is there a tool to break down the traffic and see how much of my pipe each host is using? |
| 21:41.00 | confusion | i just gut input device |
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| 21:41.06 | confusion | no pointer device there |
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| 21:41.32 | StartBuck | confusion: yes, sorry, "InputDevice" is the relevant section |
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| 21:42.03 | confusion | corepointer? or what do u mean? |
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| 21:42.50 | StartBuck | confusion: yes...nearby the corepointer line should also be a line including the text Protocol |
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| 21:43.08 | confusion | ps/2 |
| 21:44.12 | confusion | standing next the protocol |
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| 21:44.26 | StartBuck | confusion: I think changing that to "imps/2" might help, you'll need to restart the X server after though...and your mouse might act weirdly after if it doesnt like that protocol....so be sure that youre able to fix the x config file from the console again if that is the case |
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| 21:44.37 | pbransford | Testing... |
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| 21:44.55 | pbransford | Did you hear that? |
| 21:45.10 | Nosf3ratu | 'hear'? |
| 21:45.13 | pbransford | ... read? |
| 21:45.13 | pbransford | ... read? |
| 21:45.17 | pbransford | lol i guess so |
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| 21:45.18 | StartBuck | pbransford: nope :) |
| 21:45.20 | Nosf3ratu | Um, yes? |
| 21:45.21 | pbransford | Got a question... |
| 21:45.21 | confusion | iss this config file chase sensetive? |
| 21:45.26 | Nosf3ratu | The hell. |
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| 21:45.29 | pbransford | ncurses stuff looks wrong (like aptitude) |
| 21:45.48 | pbransford | my kernel had vga=792 |
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| 21:46.04 | StartBuck | confusion: sometimes :) not when it comes to the Protocol setting though...so imps/2 should work |
| 21:46.23 | confusion | okay i try |
| 21:46.27 | pbransford | what vga should i set if i want 1024x768? (color depth as high as ncurses will tolerate) |
| 21:46.28 | confusion | see ya soon :o) |
| 21:46.34 | StartBuck | confusion: good luck |
| 21:46.38 | pbransford | documentation is missing from /usr/src/linux/Documentation |
| 21:46.40 | confusion | thanx |
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| 21:48.24 | Blissex | pbransford: 'ncurses' does not really look at color depth, it will be the console driver that does. |
| 21:48.44 | Blissex | pbransford: I usually do 1024x768x16 if I bother to set a mode. |
| 21:48.46 | pbransford | OK, but ive had this happen before on diff computer... it seemed common |
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| 21:48.53 | intero | which was "the" wireless brand for linux? prism? any suggested pci card? |
| 21:49.00 | pbransford | Blissex, any way you can give me the vga=XXX for that mode? |
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| 21:49.21 | Blissex | intero: I have written a very nice guide to which chipsets work well. Brand is irrelevant, as brands change chipset all the time. |
| 21:49.27 | Blissex | pbransford: wait a sec... |
| 21:49.27 | Blissex | pbransford: wait a sec... |
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| 21:49.44 | intero | Blissex: ok :) may i have the url please? |
| 21:49.51 | Blissex | intero: look at this page: http://tinyurl.com/adhwx |
| 21:50.08 | intero | thanks alot Blissex |
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| 21:50.11 | Blissex | hey people give me time -- I am following a few different threads, so there is a bit of timesharing. |
| 21:50.12 | pbransford | although it would be nice to have the documentation in the kernel source package... it used to be there |
| 21:50.12 | Blissex | hey people give me time -- I am following a few different threads, so there is a bit of timesharing. |
| 21:50.12 | pbransford | although it would be nice to have the documentation in the kernel source package... it used to be there |
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| 21:50.45 | sean_micken|work | how do i get a list of all the installed pkgs? i just want a very basic list.. no descriptions or anything |
| 21:50.50 | confusion | ok StartBuck the scrolling works thanks now i got only one problem left :o( |
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| 21:51.05 | StartBuck | confusion: do you want me to guess what it is? |
| 21:51.16 | confusion | no i can tell u :o) |
| 21:51.16 | pbransford | sounds like fun StartBuck |
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| 21:51.43 | StartBuck | confusion: I think that would help alot |
| 21:51.53 | StartBuck | confusion: out of beer? |
| 21:52.14 | confusion | this damn tool alwys freeze when if done the data from icq to it ^^ |
| 21:52.14 | confusion | this damn tool alwys freeze when if done the data from icq to it ^^ |
| 21:52.20 | Blissex | pbransford: argh, I think I switched to 1280x1024, which is 0x793. |
| 21:52.25 | pbransford | crap |
| 21:52.26 | confusion | ups its lost a word |
| 21:52.27 | pbransford | lol |
| 21:52.29 | StartBuck | confusion: try to rephrase that, I cant parse it |
| 21:52.38 | confusion | kopete |
| 21:52.41 | Blissex | pbransford: when you boot if you set 'vga=ask' you can get the list. |
| 21:52.44 | confusion | alwys freeze |
| 21:52.57 | pbransford | Blissex tried, only gave me the crappy/useless columns/rows notation |
| 21:53.05 | confusion | when i wanna give my data |
| 21:53.07 | confusion | to it |
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| 21:53.20 | confusion | and i finish this creation |
| 21:53.26 | StartBuck | confusion: define "give my data" |
| 21:53.29 | pbransford | where can i go look to find the chart? |
| 21:53.33 | pbransford | wait,.,, |
| 21:53.33 | pbransford | wait,.,, |
| 21:53.38 | pbransford | gentoo handbook had it somewhere. |
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| 21:53.44 | confusion | i`ll type my icq uin in my password |
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| 21:54.00 | confusion | click on going on |
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| 21:54.05 | confusion | then on finish |
| 21:54.05 | confusion | then on finish |
| 21:54.07 | confusion | and then |
| 21:54.10 | confusion | it freeze |
| 21:54.10 | confusion | it freeze |
| 21:54.22 | StartBuck | confusion: does it continue after a while? |
| 21:54.32 | Blissex | pbransford: yes, I was going to google it myself. |
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| 21:55.13 | zinx | hmm |
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| 21:55.49 | confusion | how long is a while? ever configure kopete? or knowig what i must do to get in the icq ? |
| 21:55.52 | spundun_ | paste? |
| 21:55.56 | spundun_ | !paste |
| 21:55.56 | dpkg | well, paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 21:56.02 | pbransford | er, how many colors (in K) is 16 bit? |
| 21:56.09 | pbransford | mroe stupid notation |
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| 21:56.24 | caplink811_log | 32768 |
| 21:56.34 | pbransford | thanks caplink811_log |
| 21:56.38 | caplink811_log | np |
| 21:57.20 | StartBuck | confusion: I usually use gaim, so I don't know much about kopete |
| 21:57.36 | confusion | oerhabs i should get gaim too |
| 21:58.12 | StartBuck | confusion: you can certainly try it and see if you like it ("apt-get install gaim") |
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| 21:58.17 | rronkiv | everyone in #debian be sure to atleast give it a look? wont hurt to join either! http://forums.rtronkiv.us/ suggestions always welcome. |
| 21:58.21 | kb3eqa | hey all |
| 21:58.21 | zinx | anyone else used scp lately in sid? |
| 21:58.21 | kb3eqa | hey all |
| 21:58.21 | zinx | anyone else used scp lately in sid? |
| 21:58.31 | zinx | and noticed the progress meter/etc does not update until the file is complete /o\ |
| 21:58.45 | kb3eqa | how the crap do I set get my laptop running debian to connect to my network if it wasn't connected during installation |
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| 21:59.00 | kb3eqa | all the redhat wannabes just have a network configuration app, debian doesn't seem to have any such thing |
| 21:59.02 | zinx | (i'd like to rule out user error before reporting :P ) |
| 21:59.48 | StartBuck | kb3eqa: the settings are in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 21:59.56 | kb3eqa | thanks |
| 22:00.12 | spundun_ | hi all... I am trying to fix my broken bootloader on debian testing... I am running from a ubuntu livecd right now... I try to use grub shell but it gives me error... you can see my paste of relevent info on http://channels.debian.net/paste/935 |
| 22:00.24 | spundun_ | Can anyone help me with the above problem please? |
| 22:00.28 | StartBuck | kb3eqa: and documentation for the file is available by doing "man 5 interfaces" |
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| 22:00.55 | confusion | okay gaim works |
| 22:00.58 | confusion | thx |
| 22:01.06 | StartBuck | confusion: does that mean you've run out of problems? |
| 22:01.07 | StartBuck | confusion: does that mean you've run out of problems? |
| 22:01.19 | FliesLikeALap | heh |
| 22:01.38 | assink | confusion: man apt |
| 22:01.39 | assink | :) |
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| 22:01.43 | confusion | hm perhabs i can get xterm and gaim to my start panel |
| 22:01.46 | confusion | then i`m finish |
| 22:01.47 | confusion | :o) |
| 22:01.47 | confusion | :o) |
| 22:02.48 | StartBuck | confusion: gaim should be under "Applications" -> "Internet" -> "gaim", right click it and select "Add launcher to panel" |
| 22:03.02 | kb3eqa | gah |
| 22:03.04 | kb3eqa | ok that didn't help at all |
| 22:03.04 | kb3eqa | ok that didn't help at all |
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| 22:03.18 | kb3eqa | there isn't any way to configure a frigging network if you're not an expert? |
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| 22:03.59 | pbransford | It works. thanks guys. |
| 22:04.02 | assink | kb3eqa: man ifconfig |
| 22:04.03 | assink | :) |
| 22:04.04 | StartBuck | kb3eqa: you invite an expert and make sure the fridge contains cold beer? |
| 22:04.05 | StartBuck | kb3eqa: you invite an expert and make sure the fridge contains cold beer? |
| 22:04.12 | StartBuck | :) |
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| 22:04.37 | confusion | i dosent find gaim at all |
| 22:04.39 | pbransford | i want to set the mode because its a laptop display... (and i hate both Blur-Stretch and use-1/4-of-the-screen mode) |
| 22:04.49 | kb3eqa | it just occurred to me |
| 22:04.53 | floydwilde | can someone help me with crontab? |
| 22:04.58 | kb3eqa | that debian probably doesn't support my network card |
| 22:05.04 | kb3eqa | which means I'm destined to go back to FC3 |
| 22:05.12 | pbransford | debian or the kernel... |
| 22:05.14 | assink | kb3eqa: what kind of nic is it? |
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| 22:05.18 | pbransford | just recompile and include support |
| 22:05.20 | StartBuck | kb3eqa: try "dmesg | grep eth" and look for network card resembling messages |
| 22:05.21 | assink | pbransford: i think the kernel ;) |
| 22:05.37 | confusion | StartBuck: what i must do to qry u ^^ |
| 22:05.41 | petemc | kb3eqa: if it can work in fc, it can work in debian |
| 22:05.54 | floydwilde | what do you have to do to make cron work for users? |
| 22:06.07 | StartBuck | confusion: you must type complete sentences...I couldn't parse the last one for instance |
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| 22:06.22 | weilawei | Can anyone help me find a working mouse device? >_< I dist-upgraded and in the process it upgraded to both udev and upgraded xorg. So.. I can no longer run a desktop atm cause I dont know what my mouse is. |
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| 22:06.55 | kb3eqa | during installation it said that it couldn't find the necessary kernel module for my network card |
| 22:07.14 | StartBuck | kb3eqa: support might have been added with a more recent kernel than the one the installer uses |
| 22:07.24 | confusion | hm |
| 22:07.25 | confusion | ^^ |
| 22:07.34 | kb3eqa | I had to use the 2.6 kernel |
| 22:07.40 | kb3eqa | because hte installer wouldn't even start with the 2.4 kernel |
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| 22:08.20 | confusion | i can`t find gaim |
| 22:08.23 | confusion | am i blind ? |
| 22:08.23 | confusion | am i blind ? |
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| 22:08.47 | kb3eqa | confusion, just do a run command thingy and type gaim? |
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| 22:09.00 | confusion | yeah |
| 22:09.12 | confusion | but i want it in the start thing |
| 22:09.13 | segfault- | hi, i would like to know how i do remove the message asking me (so many times and so much boring) if i want to install 'non authorised' packages. |
| 22:09.13 | confusion | u know |
| 22:09.15 | StartBuck | confusion: maybe it will be added to the menu after you've logged out and then logged in again? (I'm not sure if the menu updates automatically) |
| 22:09.21 | kb3eqa | cant you just add one? |
| 22:09.23 | confusion | kay ^^ |
| 22:09.30 | confusion | perhabs xterm too# |
| 22:09.35 | confusion | i hope it |
| 22:09.39 | StartBuck | maybe |
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| 22:09.49 | StartBuck | otherwise you can just create the entry yourself |
| 22:09.51 | sean_micken|work | how do i get a list of all the installed pkgs? i just want a very basic list.. no descriptions or anything |
| 22:10.04 | confusion | how i can do it ? |
| 22:10.04 | segfault- | sean_micken|work > type 'dpkg -l' |
| 22:10.04 | confusion | how i can do it ? |
| 22:10.04 | segfault- | sean_micken|work > type 'dpkg -l' |
| 22:10.07 | pbransford | weilawei try /dev/input/mice with the "auto" protocol... what kind of mouse IS it? |
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| 22:10.39 | weilawei | its a ps2 mouse.. |
| 22:10.43 | weilawei | and i dont have /dev/input/mice |
| 22:10.44 | weilawei | @_@ |
| 22:11.14 | kb3eqa | gah |
| 22:11.16 | weilawei | it certainly used to be /dev/mouse and that disappeared |
| 22:11.16 | weilawei | it certainly used to be /dev/mouse and that disappeared |
| 22:11.22 | kb3eqa | nobody i know uses linux |
| 22:11.26 | kb3eqa | I'm screwed |
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| 22:11.29 | StartBuck | confusion: right click on the panel and select "Add to panel" or something like that, then select application launcher |
| 22:11.46 | confusion | ah i get it |
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| 22:12.23 | confusion | start do u know about the bash.rc i mean exatlc how i can get colores it`s long time ago i`ll do this |
| 22:12.27 | Ronin | whats the command again to get dpkg to tell me about reconfiguring the xwindow system? |
| 22:12.27 | weilawei | pbransford any more ideas? |
| 22:12.28 | segfault- | confusion then you can work around a regexp to get only packages names from the dpkg listing.. |
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| 22:12.42 | phrontist | anyone here familiar with encfs? |
| 22:12.50 | segfault- | confusion vi ~/.bashrc |
| 22:13.02 | StartBuck | confusion: once again...I'm not quite sure I understand....you want colors when listing files? |
| 22:13.19 | confusion | yeah and link coleord black background |
| 22:13.21 | confusion | and so one |
| 22:13.24 | segfault- | t |
| 22:13.36 | StartBuck | confusion: add alias ls='ls --color=auto' |
| 22:14.00 | segfault- | confusion you maybe got if you speak about the dpkg output to tweak a patch to.. |
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| 22:15.29 | confusion | segfault-: what do u mean ? |
| 22:15.29 | confusion | ^^ |
| 22:15.30 | StartBuck | confusion: run "xterm -bg yellow" or whatever background color you want |
| 22:15.54 | segfault- | (if anyone know how i do remove 'non authorised' message when installing something trough apt i'll be happy to read) |
| 22:16.17 | segfault- | confusion are you try to have a colored output for package listing or for listing command ? |
| 22:16.17 | StartBuck | confusion: if you create that custom application launcher to the panel that I was talking about, you can add the -bg option to the run command |
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| 22:16.33 | segfault- | s/try/trying/ |
| 22:16.45 | Cyano-Mobile | hmm this is interesting my winmodem works in debian linux but not windows |
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| 22:17.14 | segfault- | Cyano-Mobile maybe it was designed for win95 ? ^^ |
| 22:17.16 | confusion | i wanna have not that black an white console i wanna have links highlightet executables highlightet a black bg and so on |
| 22:17.16 | confusion | i wanna have not that black an white console i wanna have links highlightet executables highlightet a black bg and so on |
| 22:17.31 | hcy | Cyano-Mobile: i wish i had that trouble |
| 22:17.33 | segfault- | confusion hang on. |
| 22:17.41 | Cyano-Mobile | heh |
| 22:17.50 | ryan` | anyone here familliar with squid? |
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| 22:17.55 | StartBuck | confusion: I told you the two things to do...add alias ls='ls --color=auto' to .bashrc, start xterm with -bg black |
| 22:18.09 | confusion | this term is in here |
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| 22:18.14 | weilawei | Anyone know what the device for a ps2 mouse is? |
| 22:18.14 | confusion | alias ls='ls --color=auto' |
| 22:18.15 | Cyano-Mobile | pentium 4 2.2ghz laptop desighned for win xp |
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| 22:18.31 | confusion | but its black and white console |
| 22:18.33 | Cyano-Mobile | hcy: what kind of modem you have? |
| 22:18.37 | weilawei | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:20.06 | ryan` | weilawei: /dev/psaux |
| 22:20.27 | segfault- | quit |
| 22:20.42 | confusion | how i can register here ? |
| 22:20.43 | confusion | ^^ |
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| 22:20.55 | beardy | confusion: /msg nickserv help |
| 22:21.03 | Breeder | I'm trying to apply the mppe patch but i'm getting an error with grep-dctrl (grep-dctrl: unexpected end of line.) what is wrong here? the command in question is: grep-dctrl -n -P kernel-patch-mppe -s Version -X /var/lib/dpkg/status |
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| 22:21.06 | caplink811_log | confusion, you wanna read something like that http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ |
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| 22:21.32 | weilawei | ryan` doesn't exist either. |
| 22:21.45 | spdf | Hey fellas.. I'm trying to craft the required lines for an modprobe.d/ config file.. but I'm a tard ;).. I'm trying to autoload the powernow cpu scalling stuff. I know which modules to load, just not how to put together the right config for it.. |
| 22:21.53 | StartBuck | weilawei: you might have to load an appropriate module |
| 22:22.18 | weilawei | StartBuck aah? for a ps2 mouse? >_< |
| 22:22.27 | floydwilde | Is there anything in particular you have to do to get Cron working for a regular user? |
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| 22:22.48 | floydwilde | I tried to make a simple cronjob with crontab -e and can't get it working? |
| 22:22.48 | floydwilde | I tried to make a simple cronjob with crontab -e and can't get it working? |
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| 22:23.02 | StartBuck | weilawei: try mousedev |
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| 22:23.17 | SSL | any interface to remote debian via wap |
| 22:23.20 | [Confusion] | what does this mean? -> Cannot find segfault- on irc |
| 22:23.20 | [Confusion] | what does this mean? -> Cannot find segfault- on irc |
| 22:23.23 | floydwilde | * * * * * date > testcron |
| 22:23.33 | StartBuck | weilawei: or its probably something else btw |
| 22:23.35 | weilawei | StartBuck what's that? not a command over here |
| 22:23.35 | weilawei | StartBuck what's that? not a command over here |
| 22:24.36 | StartBuck | weilawei: try "modprobe psmouse" |
| 22:24.41 | floydwilde | I checked to make sure cron daemon is running |
| 22:25.00 | weilawei | StartBuck okay that added psmouse |
| 22:25.03 | StartBuck | weilawei: and possibly "modprobe mousedev"...then check if any interesting /dev devices have appeared |
| 22:25.03 | StartBuck | weilawei: and possibly "modprobe mousedev"...then check if any interesting /dev devices have appeared |
| 22:25.06 | floydwilde | root 5836 0.0 0.3 1756 820 ? Ss 16:08 0:00 /usr/sbin/cron |
| 22:25.10 | caplink811_log | floydwilde, so, date can be found without the PATH variable? |
| 22:25.12 | floydwilde | does that look right? |
| 22:25.28 | floydwilde | do you put that in the crontab file? |
| 22:25.31 | floydwilde | the PATH |
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| 22:25.47 | caplink811_log | well, that might be a good thing |
| 22:26.11 | weilawei | i got a psaux.. ill try that |
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| 22:26.17 | weilawei | Protocol PS/2 ? |
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| 22:26.47 | beardy | floydwilde: Make sure the user is _not_ in /etc/cron.deny, or _is_ listed in /etc/cron.allow. Neither of these files exists as default on sarge, so cron will work for all users. 'man 5 crontab' 'man 1 cron' |
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| 22:26.57 | weilawei | StartBuck Ah sooo many thanks. works now. |
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| 22:27.14 | StartBuck | weilawei: np...add the relevant modules to /etc/modules |
| 22:27.44 | weilawei | StartBuck thanks just did |
| 22:27.47 | dpower | i just reinstalled debian and now im having trouble ssh'ing into the box |
| 22:27.56 | dpower | do i have to start ssh service somehow? |
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| 22:28.13 | beardy | dpower: Is it installed? |
| 22:28.27 | floydwilde | thanks beardy, I'm using sarge so it should work by default |
| 22:28.30 | Kevin`_ | dpower ssh was not installed by default for me |
| 22:28.34 | floydwilde | must be this path business |
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| 22:28.54 | caplink811_log | floydwilde, try something like /usr/bin/command |
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| 22:29.01 | nixonor | Hello :) |
| 22:29.32 | floydwilde | ahh good iear |
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| 22:29.45 | dpower | it must not be, i fiugred it was installed by default |
| 22:29.46 | zero-1 | hello |
| 22:29.46 | zero-1 | hello |
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| 22:29.51 | dpower | thx |
| 22:30.10 | zero-1 | how can I use an USB cue cat on debian 3.1 Sarge? |
| 22:30.21 | nixonor | I can't seem to get sound no matter what .. aumix shows sound is turned on full blast... mp3blaster shows the mp3player is playing fine... same with xmms, It shows streaming mp3 music.. but no matter what no sound.. I'm using snd-emu10k1 modules. Any ideas? |
| 22:31.07 | Pixels- | nixonor: tried alsa? |
| 22:31.18 | beardy | floydwilde: You have to set a PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin (or what paths you may want) in your crontab yes, or give the full path to the thing you want to run. |
| 22:32.06 | nixonor | Pixels- : yeah |
| 22:32.07 | nixonor | Pixels- : yeah |
| 22:32.14 | Pixels- | did you run alsaconf ? |
| 22:32.22 | beardy | !alsa 2.6 |
| 22:32.22 | dpkg | On Sarge with a 2.6 kernel, to use ALSA, apt-get install alsa-utils discover1. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
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| 22:32.38 | Pixels- | alsa is your friend :) |
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| 22:32.39 | darkera | hey all |
| 22:32.42 | Breeder | I'm trying to apply the mppe patch but i'm getting an error with grep-dctrl (grep-dctrl: unexpected end of line.) what is wrong here? the command in question is: grep-dctrl -n -P kernel-patch-mppe -s Version -X /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 22:32.49 | zero-1 | exit |
| 22:33.46 | nixonor | I did all that but let me try that again |
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| 22:33.55 | bas_ | Hello... |
| 22:33.57 | darkera | any wireless gurus in channel today? I am wondering if it is possible to use Void11/fakeap with prism54 drivers on a PrismGT [fullmac] card |
| 22:34.26 | darkera | or are hostap drivers required? |
| 22:34.36 | stew | darkera: ask #wireless |
| 22:34.57 | darkera | stew: hmm good ideer -.- |
| 22:34.59 | darkera | ty |
| 22:34.59 | darkera | ty |
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| 22:35.30 | nixonor | yeah alsaconf seems to work just find I even here a low pitched clunk like the speakers are being pluged in.. But still no sound comming out of mp3blaster |
| 22:35.40 | floydwilde | here is my crontab |
| 22:35.43 | floydwilde | PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin |
| 22:35.44 | floydwilde | 38 14 * * * cd /home/john/backup_scripts/; ./planning-bckup |
| 22:35.44 | floydwilde | * * * * * /bin/date >> /home/john/itworked |
| 22:35.44 | floydwilde | 38 14 * * * cd /home/john/backup_scripts/; ./planning-bckup |
| 22:35.44 | floydwilde | * * * * * /bin/date >> /home/john/itworked |
| 22:35.50 | bas_ | im noob to linux i got Ubuntu 5.10 todays ago, and i miss a program to drive steam etc. cedega ? Any help ? |
| 22:35.58 | floydwilde | it doesn't work ? |
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| 22:36.09 | pipeline | bas_: #ubuntu |
| 22:36.09 | stew | bas_: #ubuntu |
| 22:36.23 | bas_ | Okay, Thx.. :) |
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| 22:36.44 | nixonor | beardy : in fact mp3blaster is running right now playing the mp3... And I got every thing all audio atleast 75% |
| 22:36.51 | stew | floydwilde: i've never seen a variable defined like that in crontab, are you sure thats valid? |
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| 22:37.20 | floydwilde | is there a way to check? |
| 22:37.38 | stew | floydwilde: i'd say change you crontab entry to: 38 14 * * * PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin ./planning-bckup |
| 22:37.41 | jstevens | floydwilde: Yeah, you could echo your path in your script. |
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| 22:37.46 | Blissex | nixonor: have a look at http://tinyurl.com/4ogk2 in particular the section on app configuration |
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| 22:38.06 | Blissex | nixonor: also the section on troubleshooting. The clunky sound you get is just electrical hum |
| 22:38.23 | stew | floydwilde: or bury the PATH and the cd into the backup script |
| 22:38.23 | stew | floydwilde: or bury the PATH and the cd into the backup script |
| 22:38.36 | jstevens | floydwilde: stew has it. put the var on the same line. |
| 22:38.38 | Blissex | nixonor: among common causes: something is muted, output is set to digital instead of analog. |
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| 22:39.01 | nixonor | Blissex : i checked all the volume controlls nothing is set to muted |
| 22:39.05 | jstevens | floydwilde: If the way you have it actually works, it's certainly undocumented. |
| 22:39.15 | floydwilde | ooohhhh |
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| 22:39.36 | Blissex | nixonor: then check that XMMS is using ALSA and that no other program is blocking the device |
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| 22:39.55 | bushito | ahh i have same problem =)!!!! |
| 22:39.58 | nixonor | Blissex : I told alsa to use xmms ... not affect .. and also I tried mp3blaster even |
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| 22:40.10 | nixonor | Blissex : ill try to check for something blocking |
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| 22:40.16 | hcy | hi, i'm trying to help my father to get sound working on his dell desktop running debian. he doesn't have sound. i assume it's a module thing or perhaps he doesn't have a mixer to raise the volume with. however, before we get to that i tried to get him to apt-get install xchat so he could come here and ask for help himself, but apt-get is giving him a weird error: "E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential pack |
| 22:40.16 | hcy | age e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. // E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs" When I told him to try apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils he got that same error. what should i tell him to do to fix apt? |
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| 22:41.04 | Blissex | hcy: almost surely he has got multiple repositories and has installed some 'testing' or 'unstable' stuff. |
| 22:41.12 | Blissex | hcy: in that case, goo luck :-) |
| 22:41.14 | nixonor | hcy: EWW I got that error before too , I just made shure I did a full install before installing any thing else |
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| 22:41.39 | Blissex | hcy: as to sound, check the troubleshooting section of http://tinyurl.com/4ogk2 and then the app config section. |
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| 22:42.14 | hcy | well if he can't install the alsa stuff that's going to be problematic isn't it? i think we should resolve the apt-get stuff first |
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| 22:42.22 | hcy | nixonor: what should he do? |
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| 22:42.31 | nvz | hcy: are you sure its debian? |
| 22:42.39 | hcy | nvz: yes |
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| 22:42.58 | hcy | nvz: stable, i believe |
| 22:43.00 | nvz | hcy: not ubuntu or knoppix? not mixed sources or something? |
| 22:43.02 | rohal | i need to export proxy every time i run apt....any solution??? |
| 22:43.07 | nixonor | hcy: I just did a fresh new install . then let deslect went to update then install... then after that I installed my chat stuff.. but your soltion may be differ. |
| 22:43.29 | stew | hcy: if you get e2fstools complainiing about a Pre-Depends loop its almost always that someone who is running old (pre-stable) sarge packages and is trying to upgrade to etch |
| 22:43.49 | stew | hcy: (which isn't supported) he should upgrade fully to stable first, then upgrade to testing |
| 22:43.53 | nixonor | stew: I got it with sarge also my self |
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| 22:44.13 | nixonor | stew: It happens some times when you try to install a package with out letting the system upgrade it self for the first time |
| 22:44.19 | Breeder | can anyone help me with grep-dctrl? |
| 22:44.32 | nixonor | gah brb Im gona reboot and check my sound card in nix |
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| 22:44.37 | stew | nixonor: i don't think it happens with current stable packages upgrading to testing, only with out of date stable packages |
| 22:44.37 | hcy | stew: so an apt-get upgrade? |
| 22:44.37 | stew | nixonor: i don't think it happens with current stable packages upgrading to testing, only with out of date stable packages |
| 22:44.37 | hcy | stew: so an apt-get upgrade? |
| 22:44.53 | stew | hcy: set your sources to sarge, upgrade ; then testing / upgrade |
| 22:44.54 | hcy | stew: and dist-upgrade? |
| 22:44.55 | nvz | hcy: I coincide with stew and furthermore, say verify the status of the sources.list to ensure that its all one distro, and official sources, then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade first |
| 22:44.56 | nvz | hcy: I coincide with stew and furthermore, say verify the status of the sources.list to ensure that its all one distro, and official sources, then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade first |
| 22:45.02 | June | Hello, can someone remind me how to activate fonts on xchat? |
| 22:45.17 | stew | hcy: if that doesn't work /msg dpkg loopbreak |
| 22:45.21 | hcy | nvz: ok |
| 22:45.42 | hcy | stew, nvz, thanks |
| 22:46.01 | floydwilde | this should cat the date into the text file every minute: |
| 22:46.04 | floydwilde | * * * * * /bin/date >> /home/john/itworked |
| 22:46.09 | floydwilde | but it does not |
| 22:46.09 | floydwilde | but it does not |
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| 22:47.32 | caplink811_log | floydwilde, tried this with crontab -e and this works for me |
| 22:47.35 | azeem | floydwilde: does it get displayed by crontab -l? Did you run /etc/init.d/cron reload? |
| 22:47.51 | rohal | i have to export proxy every time i run apt....where can i place it so that apt can retrieve it?? |
| 22:48.00 | caplink811_log | azeem, isn't neccessary |
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| 22:48.24 | floydwilde | I didn't run reload but it does display with crontab -l |
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| 22:48.44 | floydwilde | john@carbon:~$ /etc/init.d/cron reload |
| 22:48.44 | floydwilde | Reloading configuration files for periodic command scheduler: cron. |
| 22:48.44 | floydwilde | Reloading configuration files for periodic command scheduler: cron. |
| 22:48.46 | nixonor | Yeap sound card works fine .. its not a hardware problem thank god |
| 22:48.47 | nixonor | Yeap sound card works fine .. its not a hardware problem thank god |
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| 22:49.06 | floydwilde | Is that documented somewhere about reload? |
| 22:49.41 | bushito | i cannot make my soun dcard emule miltuple sounds it says device busy and already install dmix |
| 22:49.51 | hcy | nvz, stew: his sources.list file has 'testing' in all packages |
| 22:50.34 | hcy | is 'testing' sarge? or etch? |
| 22:50.35 | beardy | floydwilde: You don't have to do that. |
| 22:50.37 | stew | hcy: yeah, and i'm guessing that he hasn't updated e2fsprogs since sarge was testing |
| 22:50.38 | stew | hcy: yeah, and i'm guessing that he hasn't updated e2fsprogs since sarge was testing |
| 22:51.05 | hcy | stew: so would just a dist-upgrade help here? |
| 22:51.06 | stew | hcy: sarge was testing until june when it became stable and etch became testing |
| 22:51.17 | floydwilde | it's still not working? |
| 22:51.22 | stew | hcy: not without /msg dpkg loopbreak |
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| 22:52.04 | Cyano-Mobile | geesh i have only been online for a short time and the firewall has already blocked over 100 remote connections and attacks |
| 22:52.15 | nixonor | Cyano-Mobile : what firewall |
| 22:52.15 | stew | hcy: what version does dpkg -l e2fstools report? |
| 22:52.18 | stew | err |
| 22:52.21 | floydwilde | but it is working on another sarge machine |
| 22:52.21 | hcy | stew: ok i told him to do that |
| 22:52.22 | hcy | stew: ok i told him to do that |
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| 22:52.23 | stew | dpkg -l e2fsprogs |
| 22:52.26 | dpkg | ii e2fsprogs 2.4-1.3 stew's private porn collection |
| 22:52.27 | beardy | Cyano-Mobile: And define "attack" |
| 22:52.29 | ramy | I can not find the p3nfsd package for debian sid .. did it change the name , or just discontinued ? |
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| 22:52.35 | ethan-allison | what's wrong with this: wdm -xrm "DisplayManager.wdmWM: fvwm95" |
| 22:52.38 | nixonor | Cyano-Mobile : the avarge commputer is hacked with in 20 minutes that is a defualt windows install with out a firewall .. its all automated scanners |
| 22:52.41 | Cyano-Mobile | firestarter |
| 22:52.46 | hcy | haha |
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| 22:53.16 | stew | hcy: if he has udev installed and is moving to testing, you better upgrade his kernel to 2.6.12 before upgrading udev |
| 22:53.25 | Cyano-Mobile | when i'm using my wireless internet connection I don't get anything |
| 22:53.49 | nvz | hcy: yeah what likely happened is you installed when sarge was in fact still testing, and now sarge is stable and etch is testing. |
| 22:53.49 | hcy | stew: heh i still use a 2.6.3 kernel |
| 22:53.49 | nvz | hcy: yeah what likely happened is you installed when sarge was in fact still testing, and now sarge is stable and etch is testing. |
| 22:53.49 | hcy | stew: heh i still use a 2.6.3 kernel |
| 22:54.07 | dpower | hi im was trying apt-get install samba but it returns an error concernig e2fsprogs |
| 22:54.13 | dpower | does anyone know anything about this |
| 22:54.13 | dpower | does anyone know anything about this |
| 22:54.22 | hcy | hahaha |
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| 22:54.23 | nvz | hcy: personally I say shame on the DDs for releasing D-I with use of "testing" instead of the codename "sarge" for sources. |
| 22:54.32 | ethan-allison | dpower: what's the error |
| 22:54.34 | stew | dpower: what version does dpkg -l e2fsprogs report? |
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| 22:54.43 | dpower | This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. |
| 22:54.53 | dpower | E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs |
| 22:55.00 | nvz | this caused many unsuspecting beta testers of D-I to end up with sarge even though they didnt want it |
| 22:55.00 | nvz | this caused many unsuspecting beta testers of D-I to end up with sarge even though they didnt want it |
| 22:55.10 | hcy | stew: my father's e2fsprogs is: ii e2fsprogs 1.35-6 The EXT2 file system utilities and libraries |
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| 22:55.15 | stew | !info e2fsprogs sarge |
| 22:55.15 | stew | !info e2fsprogs sarge |
| 22:55.19 | stew | hcy: thats pre sarge |
| 22:55.29 | stew | err, old sarge, pre-stable |
| 22:55.44 | stew | dpower: you need to upgrade fully to sarge aka stable before you can upgrade to testing |
| 22:55.46 | petemc | nvz: if you're beta testing something, you know as well as i do that you should know what you're at |
| 22:55.57 | dpower | so i need to apt-get update |
| 22:55.58 | dpower | then upgrade? |
| 22:55.59 | dpower | then upgrade? |
| 22:56.01 | hcy | stew: ok so doing this dist-upgrade with the loopwhatever is what he needs, right? |
| 22:56.26 | dpkg | e2fsprogs: (ext2 file system utilities and libraries), section base, is required. Version: 1.37-2sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 499 kB, Installed size: 1368 kB |
| 22:56.47 | dpower | stew: 1.35-6 |
| 22:56.47 | dpower | stew: 1.35-6 |
| 22:58.39 | nvz | petemc: I say "always remember where you are at" is good advice to anyone at any point in life.. but this doesnt mean people think about it all the time. think about the fact that we had been pushing newbies to use sarge pre-release because we considered it "stable enough" and that woody was quite dated. |
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| 22:59.00 | stew | dpkg: e2fsprogs loop is you are running packages which are older than the current debian stable and are trying to upgrade to debian testing which isn't supported, edit /etc/apt/source.list and replace "testing" or "etch" or "unstable" with "stable" then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade; then if you still want testing, edit source.list again, and change stable to testing and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:59.00 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 22:59.07 | stew | dpower: ^^^ |
| 22:59.31 | ph00ouo0uo0eu | i have problems with vsftpd on my debian machine. the problem only occurs on debian installations (as far as i know) |
| 22:59.34 | stew | dpkg e2fsprogs loop =~ s#source\.list#sources.list# |
| 22:59.34 | dpkg | stew: that doesn't contain 'source\.list' |
| 22:59.34 | dpkg | stew: that doesn't contain 'source\.list' |
| 22:59.38 | stew | dpkg e2fsprogs loop =~ s#source.list#sources.list# |
| 22:59.38 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 22:59.50 | ph00ouo0uo0eu | when i'm logging in as user abc from user abc on another host, i can upload files etc |
| 22:59.50 | dpower | thx guys |
| 22:59.50 | dpower | thx guys |
| 23:00.12 | karontedebian | please how i can acces to a net in spanish |
| 23:00.16 | ph00ouo0uo0eu | but when i'm logging in as user abc from user def on another host, i can't. i only get the error "553 Could not create file." |
| 23:00.53 | nvz | petemc: and all that aside, what really is the point of codenames especially used as links in the repos if we arent going to use them? I really thing using testing like that in D-I betas was a bad thing and poor judgement call on the DDs handling the development of D-I |
| 23:00.53 | karontedebian | i cant do that |
| 23:00.53 | karontedebian | i cant do that |
| 23:00.56 | stew | !es |
| 23:00.56 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 23:02.34 | dpower | source.list |
| 23:02.38 | dpower | that file doesnt exist |
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| 23:02.46 | ethan-allison | sources.list |
| 23:02.48 | ethan-allison | with an s |
| 23:02.52 | dpower | ahh |
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| 23:04.22 | ethan-allison | so i'm trying to get WDM to use fvwm95 so i do wdm -xrm DisplayManager.wdmWm:fvwm95 but it doesn't show up in the window manager menu |
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| 23:05.49 | ethan-allison | it being fvwm95 of course |
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| 23:10.10 | walterbrunswick | my new modo for Debian will be "Debian, may work on the 5th installation." |
| 23:10.19 | ethan-allison | walterbrunswick: hahahaha |
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| 23:10.37 | walterbrunswick | 6 days and 4 installations later with 0 progression... |
| 23:10.40 | walterbrunswick | I have a right to bitch |
| 23:10.47 | walterbrunswick | :\ |
| 23:10.51 | ethan-allison | walterbrunswick: what's it hanging on |
| 23:11.06 | walterbrunswick | just about everything that has to do with X |
| 23:11.20 | honschu | walterbrunswick: wow, what kind of driver do you use? |
| 23:11.30 | walterbrunswick | It's a hardware problem; there is nothing else that should go wrong. |
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| 23:11.45 | walterbrunswick | honschu, driver of? |
| 23:11.51 | honschu | walterbrunswick: x11 |
| 23:11.55 | ethan-allison | dpkg-reconfigure x-window-system |
| 23:11.56 | walterbrunswick | x11r6 |
| 23:12.11 | honschu | ;) nv,mga,tdfx... |
| 23:12.12 | walterbrunswick | ethan-allison, heh, that's no good; I've tried all that. |
| 23:12.14 | walterbrunswick | nv |
| 23:12.32 | walterbrunswick | *sigh* I never thought it would be a relief to be on Windows XP again. |
| 23:12.48 | dpower | ?!?! |
| 23:12.49 | ethan-allison | walterbrunswick: you could try ubuntu and then change the packages to debian ones |
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| 23:13.07 | walterbrunswick | I could. |
| 23:13.27 | honschu | walterbrunswick: When it's a hardware-error: its the same in another OS |
| 23:13.27 | honschu | walterbrunswick: When it's a hardware-error: its the same in another OS |
| 23:13.27 | walterbrunswick | the Ubuntu installation didn't go very smoothly either |
| 23:13.38 | walterbrunswick | well |
| 23:14.00 | ethan-allison | what kind of system are you on |
| 23:14.02 | walterbrunswick | I was installing it on a SATA drive connected to the motherboard via IDE adapter. |
| 23:14.13 | walterbrunswick | IBM compatible |
| 23:14.25 | walterbrunswick | manufactured by HP |
| 23:14.34 | sussudio | !enter |
| 23:14.34 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 23:14.48 | honschu | walterbrunswick: Just explain your problem and we try to help. |
| 23:14.56 | walterbrunswick | sussudio well excuse me! |
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| 23:15.03 | sussudio | !excuse walterbrunswick |
| 23:15.09 | June | hey there - can someone help me with fixing a different language on xchat?/ |
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| 23:15.30 | walterbrunswick | honschu: Thank you, but don't bother. I've given up on Debian. |
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| 23:15.40 | walterbrunswick | For a while anyway. |
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| 23:15.51 | honschu | walterbrunswick: So, why you are here? |
| 23:15.52 | honschu | walterbrunswick: So, why you are here? |
| 23:16.06 | ethan-allison | so i'm trying to get WDM to use fvwm95 so i do wdm -xrm DisplayManager.wdmWm:fvwm95 but it [fvwm95] doesn't show up in the window manager menu .. the ones i installed with apt worked fine |
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| 23:16.48 | ethan-allison | they work fine without any XRM directives * |
| 23:17.03 | honschu | ethan-allison: sorry, but what is WDM? |
| 23:17.21 | ethan-allison | honschu: similar to xdm or gdm |
| 23:17.26 | honschu | ;) ah |
| 23:17.26 | honschu | ;) ah |
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| 23:17.32 | ethan-allison | yup |
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| 23:18.42 | honschu | etahn-allison: There's #wdm channel on irc.ornet.ru. |
| 23:18.52 | ethan-allison | honschu: thanks |
| 23:18.58 | honschu | or just go to #windowmaker |
| 23:18.58 | honschu | or just go to #windowmaker |
| 23:19.01 | ethan-allison | /server irc.ornet.ru |
| 23:19.05 | honschu | ;) |
| 23:19.06 | ethan-allison | what's windowmaker |
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| 23:19.25 | honschu | apt-cache search windowmaker |
| 23:19.59 | honschu | ethan_allison: http://voins.program.ru/wdm/ |
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| 23:21.03 | deadcat | wdm? (= |
| 23:21.07 | deadcat | try ldm |
| 23:21.59 | ShorTie | how do you get a ls on a cdrom from the command line? |
| 23:22.06 | ethan-allison | ShorTie: ? |
| 23:22.14 | Rockett18 | cd /media/cdrom |
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| 23:22.31 | fritz[] | hello |
| 23:22.37 | honschu | hi |
| 23:22.43 | ShorTie | thz |
| 23:23.11 | fritz[] | I get: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lintl .... How can I fix it? I've installed gettext-xxx ... package, but doesnt help |
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| 23:24.20 | honschu | !ld fritzc[] |
| 23:25.05 | honschu | !ld fritz[] |
| 23:25.23 | honschu | ;;) |
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| 23:26.59 | fritz[] | [root@c68 fritz]# ld -lintl |
| 23:26.59 | fritz[] | ld: cannot find -lintl |
| 23:26.59 | fritz[] | [root@c68 fritz]# ld -lintl |
| 23:26.59 | fritz[] | ld: cannot find -lintl |
| 23:27.21 | honschu | fritzc[]: ld is probably cannot find _start problems ? apt-get --reinstall install libc6-dev |
| 23:29.06 | error403 | Probably a stupid question, but... |
| 23:29.24 | error403 | If you 'killall sshd', is there ANY way of starting it again? |
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| 23:29.33 | error403 | without having a keyboard plugged in? |
| 23:29.46 | ethan-allison | killall sshd && sshd |
| 23:29.49 | ethan-allison | or something |
| 23:29.50 | ethan-allison | i guess |
| 23:29.55 | error403 | yeah |
| 23:30.01 | error403 | but, i already killed it |
| 23:30.08 | error403 | i used ; instead of && |
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| 23:30.35 | honschu | error403: && is better, all you can do is a restart I think. |
| 23:30.37 | starscalling | how do i get gcc 3.3 or later? what is that !_! |
| 23:31.11 | error403 | Ah, never mind... Plug keyboard in, type blind... |
| 23:31.24 | starscalling | u can do it error403 ! |
| 23:31.53 | error403 | just did |
| 23:31.57 | error403 | hehe |
| 23:32.02 | honschu | starscalling: by installing it ;) but later version that gcc 3.3 are not supported. |
| 23:32.04 | starscalling | ;) |
| 23:32.10 | honschu | tahn |
| 23:32.30 | tony_ | Hi |
| 23:32.49 | starscalling | honschu : can i find gcc 3.3 in synaptic easily? |
| 23:33.07 | Guerin | starscalling: try it. Can you? |
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| 23:33.53 | tony_ | I have Mepis and I need s repository that works. |
| 23:34.36 | Guerin | tony_: what does this have to do with debian? |
| 23:34.51 | tony_ | Its Debian based. |
| 23:34.59 | Guerin | tony_: so? |
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| 23:35.38 | sput | I NEED HELP INSTALLING!! |
| 23:35.45 | Guerin | !ig |
| 23:35.45 | dpkg | [ig] the install guide for stable: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for woody (oldstable): http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual |
| 23:35.46 | tony_ | Ok. I'm new and maybe i'm in the wrong place to ask that question. |
| 23:35.46 | tony_ | Ok. I'm new and maybe i'm in the wrong place to ask that question. |
| 23:35.48 | Guerin | starscalling: read |
| 23:35.59 | Guerin | tony_: #mepis is probably the place for you |
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| 23:36.08 | tony_ | Thank you. |
| 23:36.08 | tony_ | Thank you. |
| 23:36.11 | ethan-allison | tony_: do you have apt? |
| 23:36.12 | starscalling | thzx |
| 23:36.13 | Guerin | starscalling: sorry |
| 23:36.23 | starscalling | hrm |
| 23:36.59 | tony_ | I was using Synaptic. ethan-allison |
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| 23:37.34 | Fipher__ | debian... |
| 23:37.34 | Fipher__ | debian... |
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| 23:37.50 | error403 | ... |
| 23:38.03 | Fipher__ | > |
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| 23:38.36 | Fipher__ | hm. |
| 23:39.30 | Fipher__ | An immortal is any being at all which, either by natural or magical means, cannot die in the normal sense of the word. All spirits are immortal. |
| 23:39.57 | Guerin | Fipher__: explain in 50 words or less why we should give a fuck. |
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| 23:40.25 | Fipher__ | You shouldn't. |
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| 23:41.09 | Guerin | it's a mystery to me why you're pasting random pseudo-metaphysical bullshit into a free software channel, is all. |
| 23:41.10 | balrog-kun | This APT has Super Cow Powers. |
| 23:41.11 | Fipher__ | It jjust seemed quite bland in here. |
| 23:41.11 | Fipher__ | It jjust seemed quite bland in here. |
| 23:42.43 | Fipher__ | and you know, I think posting that did add a little color into the space. |
| 23:42.49 | Guerin | ... |
| 23:43.23 | Fipher__ | goodnight |
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| 23:47.33 | spundun_ | hi... a question... from the gnome applications-system menu.. suddenly synaptic is missing... any idea where it went? |
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| 23:47.47 | jonaskoelker | exim4 question: I'm trying to pipe mails to a shell script in $HOME, but I get reject messages. Why? |
| 23:47.49 | dvs | spundun_: Check the "System" menu |
| 23:47.59 | jonaskoelker | (it's chmod a+x, btw) |
| 23:48.15 | spundun_ | dvs, there is no System menu .. :( |
| 23:48.26 | roRisc3 | hello |
| 23:48.27 | dvs | spundun_: Oh. You said gnome. Sorry. |
| 23:48.27 | dvs | spundun_: Oh. You said gnome. Sorry. |
| 23:48.41 | dpower | i knwo have samba up and running |
| 23:48.42 | dpower | thx guys |
| 23:48.44 | roRisc3 | Error loading operating system. |
| 23:48.46 | dpower | now* |
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| 23:49.14 | stew | dpower: did the upgrade to stable then to testing fix the e2fsprogs problem? |
| 23:49.14 | roRisc3 | I just went through a basic deb install |
| 23:49.23 | roRisc3 | ... |
| 23:49.23 | roRisc3 | ... |
| 23:49.31 | dpower | yes stew L) |
| 23:49.32 | dpower | :) |
| 23:49.41 | roRisc3 | was asked to install GRUB, and i chose 'yes' |
| 23:49.41 | jonaskoelker | any RTFM/config-file pointers are appreciated. If you need to know more, tell me what and I'll post (or link to) it |
| 23:49.41 | jonaskoelker | any RTFM/config-file pointers are appreciated. If you need to know more, tell me what and I'll post (or link to) it |
| 23:49.42 | stew | dpower: cool, just wanted to make sure that was sound advice |
| 23:49.50 | roRisc3 | even tho it's the only operating system. |
| 23:49.52 | dpower | rite on the money |
| 23:49.59 | roRisc3 | should I just not do this? |
| 23:49.59 | roRisc3 | should I just not do this? |
| 23:50.24 | dvs | roRisc3: It depends where you installed GRUB |
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| 23:51.30 | stew | roRisc3: yes, you want grub |
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| 23:52.16 | spundun_ | anyone here using gnome on debian/testing ? |
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| 23:52.28 | spundun_ | what happened to the synaptic menu entry ? |
| 23:52.36 | GloX | I'm getting "Must be connected to a terminal" when running screen, anyone knows what's going wrong ? |
| 23:52.37 | bushito | i got a problem when i open sound server control (arts control tool), and then press view and click on audio manage i can see 2 programs in it that the 2 programs that sounds every other programs that are out of iths window, they get error message device is busy how can i add more programs inside this??? |
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| 23:53.12 | jonny | can u help with ubuntu? |
| 23:53.24 | dvs | jonny: no |
| 23:53.29 | jonny | o |
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| 23:53.42 | jonaskoelker | jonny: tried #ubuntu? |
| 23:53.46 | jonaskoelker | (just guessing here) |
| 23:53.57 | stew | good guess |
| 23:53.59 | jonny | ya but it didnt help and im still confused |
| 23:53.59 | jonny | ya but it didnt help and im still confused |
| 23:54.01 | Guerin | GloX: man screen |
| 23:54.01 | Guerin | GloX: man screen |
| 23:54.01 | jonaskoelker | :) |
| 23:54.09 | Guerin | !they don't know |
| 23:54.09 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 23:54.17 | roRisc3 | dvs, it didn't ask me where to install it. |
| 23:54.17 | roRisc3 | dvs, it didn't ask me where to install it. |
| 23:54.17 | Guerin | bushito: try to speak english. |
| 23:54.49 | roRisc3 | i'm sure the system is installed how can I boot into it with a cd? |
| 23:54.55 | dvs | roRisc3: That I find hard to believe. It should at least ask you to install in the master boot record. |
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| 23:55.16 | June | can someone help me with xchat please? |
| 23:55.16 | June | can someone help me with xchat please? |
| 23:55.26 | GloX | Guerin, no references to that error |
| 23:55.26 | Guerin | June: state your problem |
| 23:55.42 | Guerin | GloX: obviously, screen is a terminal management program. |
| 23:55.46 | Blake_Seven | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:55.54 | June | i forgot the command that activates another language's font |
| 23:55.55 | Guerin | GloX: what exactly are you trying to achieve. |
| 23:55.55 | Guerin | GloX: what exactly are you trying to achieve. |
| 23:55.56 | roRisc3 | dvs, it asked me if I want to install. then went along and did it. |
| 23:55.56 | stew | GloX: where are you running screen? in a vt? in an xterm? in an ssh session? |
| 23:56.02 | GloX | ssh session |
| 23:56.09 | Blake_Seven | Mepis that is |
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| 23:56.15 | stew | GloX: debian on both client and server? |
| 23:56.22 | Guerin | Blake_Seven: #mepis |
| 23:56.28 | roRisc3 | dvs should I try expert install? |
| 23:56.45 | June | Guerin, i forgot the command that activates another language's font |
| 23:56.50 | samuel | anyone know a channel with ppl who know about linux in handheld devices? |
| 23:56.53 | dvs | roRisc3: You can try it |
| 23:56.55 | samuel | pocket pc? |
| 23:57.02 | GloX | stew, debian server, windows client (putty) |
| 23:57.07 | Guerin | samuel: #zaurus know about zauruses |
| 23:57.22 | stew | roRisc3: is your system not bootable? |
| 23:57.23 | stew | roRisc3: is your system not bootable? |
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| 23:57.52 | Guerin | GloX: echo $TERM |
| 23:57.53 | roRisc3 | stew yes. sais it's missing an ON |
| 23:57.53 | roRisc3 | stew yes. sais it's missing an ON |
| 23:58.02 | roRisc3 | OS |
| 23:58.12 | bushito | Guerin, lol okey, look i am having problems with multiple sounds at same time, any other program except KDE notices sound, and noautun got this problem, and i notice that when you openn arts and in it you lick on view and then audio manager, kde notice sound and noautun are set in alsa to use bus: out_soundcard, and the other programs do not get sound cause i get error message device is busy (Arts Audio Manager is the daemon who is it using |
| 23:58.12 | bushito | my soundcard), if i close arts others program can use sound but arts reopen again so error comesback, i wanna know how can i add more progams to audio manager (arts) |
| 23:58.12 | samuel | Guerin, ill try there, thx |
| 23:58.12 | samuel | Guerin, ill try there, thx |
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| 23:58.30 | stew | roRisc3: doens't sound like grub got installd on the mbr then |
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| 23:59.00 | Guerin | bushito: see if #kde can decipher what the hell you're on about |
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| 23:59.13 | roRisc3 | stew. suggestions? |
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| 23:59.31 | GloX | Guerin, xterm |
| 23:59.31 | GloX | Guerin, xterm |
| 23:59.39 | bushito | Guerin, lol it is not KDE problems =), it is debian's |
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