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| 00:00.24 | Guerin | bushito: bullshit. It's an arts problem, which you could probably avoid by siimply not using arts, except several kde programs seem to be braindead enough that they won't work without it. |
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| 00:00.37 | Guerin | GloX: hrm, that should work, and works for me. |
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| 00:01.08 | Guerin | GloX: what branch of debian are you running, and have you fucked with tty or init handling at all? |
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| 00:02.05 | GloX | nope |
| 00:02.05 | GloX | nope |
| 00:02.27 | Guerin | 'nope' is not an answer to the first part of my question |
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| 00:02.41 | GloX | second part :) |
| 00:02.46 | GloX | # cat /etc/debian_version |
| 00:02.46 | GloX | 3.1 |
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| 00:03.05 | dvs | GloX: That still testing or unstable |
| 00:03.11 | Guerin | ok. I've never seen or heard of this happening in sarge. |
| 00:03.15 | Guerin | dvs: don't guess. |
| 00:03.20 | Guerin | dvs: it's neither. |
| 00:03.47 | GloX | hmm got it |
| 00:03.57 | GloX | /dev had permissons 744 |
| 00:04.05 | Guerin | GloX: wtf |
| 00:04.09 | airox | GloX! |
| 00:04.10 | airox | GloX! |
| 00:04.27 | GloX | :s |
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| 00:05.08 | dabaR | can I disable access to specific users through ssh, and if I can, how, please? |
| 00:05.19 | airox | GloX: Didn't saw you around for a while :) |
| 00:05.39 | capitol | Hi, 'm currently having a strange error, when i try to change the owner of a directory nothing happens and i dont get any errormessages, the filesystem is rw and when i strace the chmod process i don't se anything strange |
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| 00:05.53 | stew | roRisc3: /msg dpkg fixmbr |
| 00:05.58 | capitol | any pointers anyone? |
| 00:06.03 | sussudio | !pointer |
| 00:06.03 | dpkg | i heard pointer is a variable which stores the address in memory of another variable. |
| 00:06.03 | airox | dabaR: There is AllowUsers,AllowGroups and DenyUsers, DenyGroups |
| 00:06.12 | airox | dabaR: You can put those items in sshd_config file. |
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| 00:07.14 | GloX | oi airox :) |
| 00:07.25 | dabaR | thanks. |
| 00:08.50 | airox | GloX: Everything ok with you ? |
| 00:10.35 | Beno | go vegan! |
| 00:11.24 | pedro420 | nvz: nandrew ? |
| 00:11.24 | pedro420 | nvz: nandrew ? |
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| 00:13.25 | GloX | goddamn isp |
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| 00:20.53 | phrontist | okay, I'd like to set up my swap partition as encrypted |
| 00:21.01 | phrontist | I have installed the cryptsetup package |
| 00:21.08 | phrontist | I know that my swap in /dev/hda6 |
| 00:21.10 | phrontist | what now? |
| 00:21.12 | deadcat | no q4 download for ppc, what a bitch |
| 00:21.12 | deadcat | no q4 download for ppc, what a bitch |
| 00:21.24 | jasonm | hello, im trying to install debian |
| 00:21.31 | jasonm | can anyone offer some help |
| 00:21.39 | deadcat | hello, i am tring to get q4 for ppc |
| 00:21.46 | deadcat | can someone offer some help |
| 00:21.50 | jasonm | i downloaded the cd debian-testing-ia64-netinst |
| 00:21.54 | jasonm | and it wont boot |
| 00:22.12 | deadcat | jasonm: burn as iso or data? |
| 00:22.44 | deadcat | be that way |
| 00:22.44 | bob2 | jasonm: do you really have an ia-64 machine? |
| 00:22.45 | jasonm | i clicked iso on nero (im on xp right now) and dropped the contents of the folder onto the cd |
| 00:22.45 | jasonm | i clicked iso on nero (im on xp right now) and dropped the contents of the folder onto the cd |
| 00:23.06 | jasonm | bob2: i believe so, so can i be certain |
| 00:23.16 | bob2 | ? |
| 00:23.23 | bob2 | you would know if you had an ia-64 |
| 00:23.29 | deadcat | hehe |
| 00:24.00 | gravity | You'd have one of the five that exist |
| 00:24.03 | bob2 | hints include: it cost $10 000, it takes up your whole desk and it sounds like a small jet engine |
| 00:24.15 | jasonm | i thought ai-63 is an amd |
| 00:24.19 | jasonm | which is what i have |
| 00:24.19 | jasonm | which is what i have |
| 00:24.24 | gravity | Common mistake |
| 00:24.25 | bob2 | so |
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| 00:25.11 | NOthsouth | how can I kill some process who don`t want to die??? |
| 00:25.14 | gravity | !amd64 |
| 00:25.14 | dpkg | amd64 is, like, See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
| 00:25.16 | jasonm | so what architecture do i need, is there any information i can give you about my computer which will tell you |
| 00:25.20 | sussudio | NOthsouth: lions |
| 00:25.22 | deadcat | NOthsouth: -9 |
| 00:25.27 | NOthsouth | I:D |
| 00:25.28 | capitol | is there any reson that you could be denied to ptrace as root on a 2.6.13 (without grsec or something like that) |
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| 00:25.57 | NOthsouth | deadcat, THXXxxx |
| 00:26.15 | deadcat | i only need 3 X |
| 00:26.29 | bob2 | rootkits presumably disable ptrace |
| 00:26.46 | capitol | bob2: hmm :(( |
| 00:26.49 | bob2 | and I think the fix for the whole that compromise debian.org involved disabling ptrace sometimes |
| 00:26.50 | nixonor | DO I need ramfs ? |
| 00:26.55 | bob2 | I don't know if that is still in there |
| 00:26.55 | capitol | that sounds bad |
| 00:26.55 | gravity | jasonm: Check the factoid above about the AMD64 arch. That'll tell you where to get the install CD and so forth |
| 00:27.04 | bob2 | nixonor: yes (unless you know you don't) |
| 00:27.04 | bob2 | nixonor: yes (unless you know you don't) |
| 00:31.18 | nixonor | bob2: Im just treing to get this INIT crap not to compile in |
| 00:31.29 | nixonor | bob2: after it compiles lilo keeps asking for it :P |
| 00:31.32 | bob2 | er |
| 00:31.36 | bob2 | w t f |
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| 00:31.44 | nixonor | bob2: and ramfs was right above the error in the build |
| 00:32.24 | nixonor | bob2: so CONFIG_INITRAMFS_SOURCE="y" |
| 00:32.26 | nixonor | ? |
| 00:32.32 | lojuni | Unpacking fglrx-4-3-0 (from ati-driver.deb) ... |
| 00:32.32 | lojuni | dpkg: error processing ati-driver.deb (--install): |
| 00:32.33 | lojuni | Unpacking fglrx-4-3-0 (from ati-driver.deb) ... |
| 00:32.33 | lojuni | dpkg: error processing ati-driver.deb (--install): |
| 00:32.33 | lojuni | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:32.33 | lojuni | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:32.33 | lojuni | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
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| 00:33.07 | solemnwarning | hi |
| 00:33.15 | solemnwarning | ive install pureftpd off of apt |
| 00:33.40 | solemnwarning | but the pureftpd config file is nowhere to be found |
| 00:33.44 | capitol | bob2: well chkrootkit didn't finf anything, not that that says so much |
| 00:33.50 | solemnwarning | there is a dir full of stuff in /etc |
| 00:33.53 | solemnwarning | but no config file |
| 00:33.54 | solemnwarning | but no config file |
| 00:34.02 | pearl | solemnwarning: /etc/program/ |
| 00:34.11 | solemnwarning | -_- |
| 00:34.12 | pearl | there are the most configs |
| 00:34.14 | solemnwarning | i looked |
| 00:34.16 | stew | solemnwarning: /usr/share/doc/purfetpd/* |
| 00:34.31 | stew | or something similar that is spelled correctly |
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| 00:39.03 | nixonor | Is INITRAMFS needed to boot or for the os ? |
| 00:39.48 | pearl | if you have scsi devices you need a initrd |
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| 00:40.11 | pearl | nixonor: you're compiling a kernel, right? |
| 00:40.17 | nixonor | yeah |
| 00:40.17 | nixonor | yeah |
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| 00:40.29 | pearl | yeah, i would to build it fix in the kernel |
| 00:40.31 | nixonor | And lilo wants a initrd img sO im treing to remove the initrd crap from the config |
| 00:40.49 | pearl | nixonor: you want boot without initrd? |
| 00:40.49 | pearl | nixonor: you want boot without initrd? |
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| 00:42.04 | nixonor | yes |
| 00:42.09 | nixonor | man its being a pain |
| 00:42.11 | nixonor | lol |
| 00:42.11 | nixonor | lol |
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| 00:42.28 | nixonor | I comment out INITRAMFS |
| 00:42.32 | nixonor | and it keeps asking for |
| 00:42.37 | nixonor | Initramfs source file(s) (INITRAMFS_SOURCE) [] (NEW) |
| 00:42.41 | nixonor | lol |
| 00:43.40 | stew | nixonor: did you compile your own kernel? |
| 00:43.47 | Guerin | nixonor: build your kernel without need for an initrd |
| 00:43.53 | nixonor | Thats what im treing to do |
| 00:43.55 | nixonor | :) |
| 00:44.09 | pearl | nixonor: you need to compile the module u needed for ur IDE fix in the kernel |
| 00:44.10 | Guerin | nixonor: build your root filesystem and your root disk controller into the kernel |
| 00:44.11 | Guerin | nixonor: build your root filesystem and your root disk controller into the kernel |
| 00:44.15 | Guerin | and forget about initrd for evar |
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| 00:44.46 | nixonor | Tahts what im treing to do |
| 00:44.47 | nixonor | :) |
| 00:44.47 | nixonor | :) |
| 00:44.53 | nixonor | but when I comment it out it get this |
| 00:44.54 | nixonor | Initramfs source file(s) (INITRAMFS_SOURCE) [] (NEW) |
| 00:45.01 | nixonor | during make-kpkg |
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| 00:45.30 | nixonor | UG why does it do t his |
| 00:45.32 | nixonor | lol |
| 00:45.44 | SammyTheSnake | can anyone help me with my soundcard? it's an old isa "sb16" card, I think it's correctly configured with isapnp, but I'm not sure what module to install. isapnp identifies it as "-->Creative ViBRA16X PnP<--" ... ? |
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| 00:46.10 | nixonor | Guerin : what ya mean by root disk controller ? I jsut build every ide thing in |
| 00:46.14 | Guerin | SammyTheSnake: snd-sb16, i think |
| 00:46.17 | jasonm | gravity: so debian-31r0a-amd64-netinst, should work? |
| 00:46.23 | Guerin | nixonor: if your drive is ide, sure. |
| 00:46.24 | nixonor | Guerin : well every IDE thing related to my hardware |
| 00:46.28 | nixonor | word |
| 00:47.06 | gravity | jasonm: I believe so, yes |
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| 00:48.23 | nixonor | were is initrd in the menuconfig hiddin |
| 00:48.24 | SammyTheSnake | Guerin: I tried that but when I try to frozen-bubble to see if I get sound, it looks like it's going to work then complains, something about a possibly buggy driver (sorry, I can't remember the exact message off the top of my head) and freezes, I can't then access the sound card in any way from anything and even rmmod snd-sb16 won't work because it thinks the module's in use (probably by frozen-bubble, even if I kill it : |
| 00:48.29 | nixonor | its hard to find lol |
| 00:48.34 | Vamplegends | Hello |
| 00:48.41 | SammyTheSnake | Guerin: is there some propper "debian" way to do this? |
| 00:48.54 | Guerin | SammyTheSnake: yeah. Go and drop $10 on a decent sound card |
| 00:49.00 | Vamplegends | Guys how can i boot several linux distros with grub? |
| 00:49.16 | jasonm | well i'll see how this goes. |
| 00:49.24 | SammyTheSnake | Guerin: not quite the answer I was hoping for, I'll admit |
| 00:49.51 | Guerin | Vamplegends: this is detailed in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 00:49.53 | SammyTheSnake | Guerin: surely debian provides something that knows better than I do what driver to use? |
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| 00:50.24 | Guerin | SammyTheSnake: if the module loads, it means it's the right one for your hardware. |
| 00:50.31 | Vamplegends | i know where it is installed but somehow i cannot modify the entry to boot fedora... |
| 00:50.40 | Vamplegends | it is booting mepis and windows |
| 00:50.53 | Vamplegends | or fedora and windows If i install grub from fedora |
| 00:50.58 | Vamplegends | i want them three |
| 00:51.06 | Guerin | Vamplegends: so read the file I told you |
| 00:51.41 | Vamplegends | I did |
| 00:51.50 | Vamplegends | i modified it and it still does not work |
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| 00:53.01 | Guerin | Vamplegends: then you need to modify it correctly this time |
| 00:53.25 | Guerin | Vamplegends: if you still have trouble, install the grub-doc package, which goes into rather more detail than the config file |
| 00:53.40 | Blake_Seven | ne1 help with raid controller |
| 00:53.43 | Guerin | Vamplegends: you also might look in /usr/share/doc/grub/* |
| 00:53.56 | Guerin | Blake_Seven: go and ask #mepis |
| 00:54.02 | Guerin | Blake_Seven: like we told you already |
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| 00:54.33 | Vamplegends | ty much Guerin |
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| 00:54.48 | Guerin | Vamplegends: the thing to remember is that you need to pick ONE distro to install grub from |
| 00:55.02 | Vamplegends | i did |
| 00:55.22 | Guerin | Vamplegends: ok. it also helps to have a separate /boot, but that's not critical. |
| 00:55.30 | Vamplegends | ok |
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| 00:57.43 | jasonm | im not sure why the netinstall disks i keep making dont boot |
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| 00:59.14 | Licker | #mysql |
| 00:59.16 | Licker | oops |
| 00:59.16 | Licker | oops |
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| 01:00.14 | jasonm | should i have un-rar'd all the files in the install and other folders? |
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| 01:01.30 | prium | can someone give me a sed command that would change a line that starts with "STR" .. but that changes the ENTIRE string, not just 's/STR/STR2/'? |
| 01:01.48 | Guerin | !sed cheats |
| 01:01.48 | dpkg | i heard sed cheats is see http://www.student.northpark.edu/pemente/sed/sed1line52.txt |
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| 01:02.49 | cheal | jasonm: unrar? didn't you just burn the iso? |
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| 01:04.47 | jasonm | cheal: i clicked cd-rom(iso) in Nero and dropped all the files from debian-31r0a-amd64-netinst inside it |
| 01:05.22 | Adrian | all the files? there should only be one .iso |
| 01:05.22 | Adrian | all the files? there should only be one .iso |
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| 01:07.36 | cheal | jasonm: see what Adrian said... clicking cd-rom(iso) sounds right, dealing with multiple files doesn't |
| 01:07.50 | jasonm | hmm |
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| 01:08.08 | jasonm | well i downloaded this: debian-31r0a-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 01:08.16 | cheal | ...which is a single file |
| 01:08.32 | jasonm | i just realized its .iso |
| 01:08.46 | jasonm | i suppose my mistake was unraring it and then burning it |
| 01:08.49 | skypa | wait.. you unpacked it and burned it afterwards? |
| 01:08.53 | jasonm | yes |
| 01:08.57 | skypa | :D |
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| 01:09.54 | jasonm | im an idiot |
| 01:10.01 | deadcat | toot toot toot |
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| 01:11.05 | Phated | Toot for joy! |
| 01:11.22 | deadcat | oh shit. thats a real word (= |
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| 01:11.30 | jasonm | toot? |
| 01:11.32 | Phated | Think so. |
| 01:11.32 | Phated | Think so. |
| 01:11.34 | Vamplegends | Guerin, i cannot apt-get...\ |
| 01:11.39 | prium | when running a shell script (say, sh shellscript.sh) .. can you have arguments? say, sh shellscript.sh 12 ... then how do i access 12 in the shell script? |
| 01:11.39 | prium | when running a shell script (say, sh shellscript.sh) .. can you have arguments? say, sh shellscript.sh 12 ... then how do i access 12 in the shell script? |
| 01:12.21 | cheal | prium: $n |
| 01:12.22 | mhall | How do I disable OOo's attempts to autocomplete my words before I finish typing them? It's really annoying because I am always looking at the screen and getting confused by it. |
| 01:12.31 | cheal | prium: see an init script for example |
| 01:12.32 | mhall | prium: $1 $2 $3 $4 $5 etc. |
| 01:12.49 | mhall | prium: consider reading man getopts for an example of the high-powered way to do this |
| 01:12.55 | deadcat | mhall: just dont press enter (= hHAHAHAH |
| 01:12.59 | cheal | mhall: you could ask #openoffice.org, but I'm sure there's an easy way |
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| 01:13.22 | mhall | deadcat: but, even seeing it on the screen disrupts my thought process and forces me to restart |
| 01:13.25 | Blake_Seven | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:13.25 | Blake_Seven | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:13.34 | mhall | deadcat: i know it's silly but i can't help how i was wired |
| 01:13.34 | cheal | !ne1 |
| 01:13.34 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
| 01:13.43 | pureone | was just about to do that :P |
| 01:13.44 | deadcat | mhall: hehe.i understand. |
| 01:13.46 | mhall | dpkg, forget ne1 |
| 01:13.56 | deadcat | and where the hell is the vim keymap for oo.org |
| 01:14.08 | sussudio | Blake_Seven [n=bmurray@cpe-69-200-247-0.nyc.res.rr.com] channels : #debian #mepislovers +#mepis |
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| 01:14.11 | sussudio | !mepis |
| 01:14.11 | sussudio | !mepis |
| 01:14.11 | dpkg | MEPIS is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system. Uses KDE by default, and includes the NVIDIA proprietary 3D driver. It also includes a custom installer on the KDE desktop, with simple LILO configuration. See http://www.mepis.org. It is NOT real Debian, attempts to use apt-get with Debian mirrors will meet with a world of hurt. /join #mepis |
| 01:14.11 | dpkg | MEPIS is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system. Uses KDE by default, and includes the NVIDIA proprietary 3D driver. It also includes a custom installer on the KDE desktop, with simple LILO configuration. See http://www.mepis.org. It is NOT real Debian, attempts to use apt-get with Debian mirrors will meet with a world of hurt. /join #mepis |
| 01:14.15 | deadcat | mhall: i keep hitting escap and ^n ot ^p to complete a word hehe |
| 01:14.29 | mhall | deadcat: i can type faster than i can complete |
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| 01:16.09 | mhall | cheal: #openoffice.org is dead hehe |
| 01:16.09 | alan | hey |
| 01:16.09 | alan | hey |
| 01:16.16 | alan | how do I get SSH 2 work on Debian |
| 01:16.21 | gravity | uh.... |
| 01:16.23 | deadcat | alan: apt-get install ssh |
| 01:16.28 | cheal | mhall: ah, they helped me just yesterday |
| 01:16.28 | cheal | mhall: ah, they helped me just yesterday |
| 01:16.29 | alan | i did |
| 01:16.32 | alan | it doesn't work |
| 01:16.33 | deadcat | alan: too bad |
| 01:16.39 | gravity | alan: Define "doesn't work" |
| 01:16.39 | gravity | alan: Define "doesn't work" |
| 01:16.42 | Licker | is there a way to TRACK who SSHs you? |
| 01:16.42 | gravity | It works for a lot of people |
| 01:16.44 | alan | it says it sin't there |
| 01:16.44 | sussudio | !permasunday |
| 01:16.44 | sussudio | !permasunday |
| 01:16.44 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 01:16.51 | deadcat | Licker: ya logfile |
| 01:16.57 | gravity | alan: dpkg -L ssh |
| 01:16.57 | pureone | man sshd_config;vim /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 01:16.57 | pureone | man sshd_config;vim /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 01:16.58 | Licker | where is that located? |
| 01:17.00 | mhall | cheal: they are getting to it sort of |
| 01:17.08 | deadcat | Licker: guess |
| 01:17.19 | alan | not installed |
| 01:17.22 | gravity | Licker: All log files go to /var/log |
| 01:17.25 | alan | nd I tried apt-get install ssh |
| 01:17.27 | gravity | alan: Ok, so why didn't you install it? |
| 01:17.27 | gravity | alan: Ok, so why didn't you install it? |
| 01:17.30 | alan | i did |
| 01:17.33 | deadcat | alan: how is isnt there = doesnt work? |
| 01:17.41 | gravity | alan: Obviously you didn't. What was the error when you ran apt-get? |
| 01:17.56 | gravity | sussudio: :-p |
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| 01:18.07 | sussudio | all logfiles now go to /var/pants. |
| 01:18.10 | gravity | Yay! |
| 01:18.11 | gravity | Yay! |
| 01:18.28 | pureone | hehe |
| 01:18.28 | keffynd | can someone point me i the direction of a howto for ircd-ircu |
| 01:18.38 | sussudio | keffynd: wsw |
| 01:18.42 | keffynd | ? |
| 01:18.43 | deadcat | keffynd: northeast |
| 01:18.52 | keffynd | oh hahaha |
| 01:18.53 | keffynd | :P |
| 01:19.02 | gravity | keffynd: Not knowing anything about that package, did you try /usr/share/doc/ircd-ircu (or whatever the package name is)? |
| 01:19.09 | keffynd | yea |
| 01:19.22 | cheal | mhall: I expected it to be more obvious, but it's in Tools -> AutoCorrection/AutoFormat |
| 01:19.28 | gravity | It may not exist then, if google can't find it either |
| 01:19.33 | deadcat | why arent anyone compiling xcompmgr and transset for debian again? |
| 01:19.33 | cheal | mhall: last tab |
| 01:19.33 | cheal | mhall: last tab |
| 01:19.34 | keffynd | I cant find the correct conf file it is using, to change the text when joining |
| 01:19.37 | Blake_Seven | thanks all for the input. <dpkg> get a life man... You need some love at home not you right hand... |
| 01:19.41 | gravity | deadcat: Because I'm lazy |
| 01:19.41 | deadcat | because its so buggy? |
| 01:19.41 | deadcat | because its so buggy? |
| 01:19.45 | keffynd | its not using /etc/ircd/ircd.conf |
| 01:19.47 | deadcat | k (= |
| 01:19.50 | gravity | deadcat: And no one else has taken it on despite requests |
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| 01:20.03 | alan | it has 3 different packages that are uninstalled |
| 01:20.05 | gravity | deadcat: I tried to do it tonight very quickly, but it requires the modular packaging, so it'll have to wait |
| 01:20.11 | alan | nd 1 that is not availible |
| 01:20.16 | deadcat | gravity: ah. ok |
| 01:20.24 | gravity | Anyway, it'll come |
| 01:20.31 | gravity | I'm working on the modular stuff right now |
| 01:20.36 | deadcat | (= |
| 01:20.36 | deadcat | (= |
| 01:21.20 | gravity | I've got the first package which will set the mode for all the rest |
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| 01:22.02 | skypa | damn, anyone knows why my eggdrop wont log into a new log after i deleted the old one? ^^ |
| 01:22.10 | deadcat | no |
| 01:22.53 | gravity | Heh, left before I could ask him more about his system |
| 01:22.57 | gravity | Which sounded pretty jacked up |
| 01:23.01 | gravity | Yay sid |
| 01:23.19 | deadcat | he was using sid? |
| 01:23.19 | deadcat | he was using sid? |
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| 01:23.27 | gravity | I have no idea, but I'd guess so |
| 01:23.31 | gravity | Then again, ssh works here |
| 01:23.36 | deadcat | same here |
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| 01:23.46 | deadcat | maybe hes using "based on debian" |
| 01:23.46 | deadcat | maybe hes using "based on debian" |
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| 01:24.03 | gravity | Ah yeah |
| 01:24.06 | gravity | I always forget about that |
| 01:24.09 | oldschoolnewb | can someone tell me where to put my wep key? |
| 01:24.11 | jasonm | well i ran into another problem |
| 01:24.27 | deadcat | oldschoolnewb: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:24.38 | oldschoolnewb | deadcat : i'm online and its not in there |
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| 01:24.51 | oldschoolnewb | deadcat : i'm at my friend's house trying to get the key so i can get my box online ;P |
| 01:24.55 | deadcat | gravity: like this moron: http://freeshell.org/tour/deskshots/gen.cgi?kthorn@sdf |
| 01:24.56 | jasonm | i use using the amd64-netinst, it says it wont work on my computer, and to use the 32bit. |
| 01:25.01 | jasonm | which i dont see on any sites |
| 01:25.12 | deadcat | oldschoolnewb: ok |
| 01:25.24 | Adrian | jasonm: what cpu do you actually have? |
| 01:25.25 | oldschoolnewb | deadcat : all it says is auto eth0 and lo |
| 01:25.25 | oldschoolnewb | deadcat : all it says is auto eth0 and lo |
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| 01:25.37 | deadcat | oldschoolnewb: so add it |
| 01:25.46 | gravity | deadcat: Did that guy claim to be using Debian in the chan? |
| 01:25.50 | keffynd | ok this is maddening, is there a "standard" sort of IRC server that people use? |
| 01:26.00 | gravity | Maybe we should request screenshots for helping debug problems :-D |
| 01:26.03 | deadcat | gravity: not the chan. but if you read the comment at the bottom |
| 01:26.05 | oldschoolnewb | deadcat : i'm on right now though without it configured so i don't understand why my windows machine won't work the same way |
| 01:26.10 | gravity | deadcat: Yeah, I saw that |
| 01:26.10 | deadcat | gravity: hahaha |
| 01:26.19 | deadcat | oldschoolnewb: man iwconfig |
| 01:26.31 | oldschoolnewb | deadcat : locate says iwconfig doesn't exist |
| 01:26.34 | resiak | skypa: Did you restart your bot? You do know that, if a file is still open when you delete it, it will continue to exist, anonymously, until the last program using it close it. |
| 01:26.37 | deadcat | oldschoolnewb: then install it |
| 01:26.51 | skypa | really? |
| 01:26.52 | oldschoolnewb | i wonder if i can apt get that |
| 01:26.55 | skypa | well, you never stop learning |
| 01:26.59 | skypa | *kills.bot* |
| 01:27.09 | mhall | cheal: well i gotta be more careful in #openoffice.org; somebody told me what the option was, and i said thank god i got that disabled, and offered him a beer if he lived in CA.US. then he got mad because he was religious and didn't like "misuse" of the term god and didn't drink |
| 01:27.14 | pureone | oldschoolnewb apt-cache search wifi |
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| 01:27.36 | mhall | cheal: thanking people properly when you're a central california redneck seems to be a politically risky proposition |
| 01:27.39 | mhall | cheal: heh |
| 01:28.03 | phrontist | I just did apt-get apache2 libapache-mod-ssl |
| 01:28.09 | phrontist | how do I start apache with SSL? |
| 01:28.14 | oldschoolnewb | deadcat: doesn't show much of anything |
| 01:28.16 | mhall | phrontist: that's not right |
| 01:28.28 | deadcat | oldschoolnewb: wireless-tools |
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| 01:28.49 | mhall | phrontist: i think you need to have something a little different |
| 01:28.54 | oldschoolnewb | deadcat : that worked with apt-get intsall ;) |
| 01:28.56 | mhall | phrontist: let me investigate for a minute, OK |
| 01:29.15 | phrontist | apache-ssl? |
| 01:29.39 | jasonm | Adrian: AMD Athlon XP 2500+ |
| 01:29.39 | deadcat | phrontist: dont guess. search |
| 01:29.39 | deadcat | phrontist: dont guess. search |
| 01:29.43 | mhall | phrontist: not quite, hold on a moment |
| 01:29.49 | mhall | phrontist: i will get you the right answer |
| 01:30.04 | Adrian | jasonm: then you need i386 |
| 01:30.19 | jasonm | ok, thanks |
| 01:30.45 | phrontist | I just ran apt-get install apache-ssl |
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| 01:30.55 | phrontist | and I think it did exactly what I needed... |
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| 01:31.26 | phrontist | it worked! |
| 01:31.27 | phrontist | yaaay |
| 01:31.30 | phrontist | thanks anyway mhall |
| 01:32.02 | mhall | phrontist: well here is the thing |
| 01:32.03 | cheal | mhall: hehe, poor you |
| 01:32.10 | mhall | phrontist: apache-ssl is only apache 1.3 |
| 01:32.18 | mhall | phrontist: i believe you wanted version 2 |
| 01:32.18 | mhall | phrontist: i believe you wanted version 2 |
| 01:32.43 | phrontist | mhall: well, it's not terribly important |
| 01:32.49 | phrontist | this is just to run a wiki locally |
| 01:33.11 | oldschoolnewb | deadcat: package installed, says no wireless interfaces heh |
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| 01:33.14 | phrontist | (I need SSL because it prevents Mozilla from caching data) |
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| 01:33.22 | phrontist | (odd solution, I know) |
| 01:33.24 | oldschoolnewb | deadcat : i think my friend is up anyway, i can just ask him now |
| 01:33.27 | oldschoolnewb | thanks though |
| 01:33.31 | oldschoolnewb | appreciate it |
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| 01:35.51 | deadcat | the hell. q4 requires 2ghz cpu? whaat a rip |
| 01:36.04 | zinx | is that really so surprising? |
| 01:36.21 | mhall | deadcat: did you even buy legit? |
| 01:36.35 | mhall | sussudio: what happened |
| 01:36.41 | sussudio | fucking aol idiots |
| 01:36.48 | zinx | mhall: he's probably going to pirate it just to spite raven for making it require 2GHz! :P~ |
| 01:36.48 | mhall | sussudio: ? |
| 01:36.48 | mhall | sussudio: ? |
| 01:36.57 | dvs | sussudio: What else is new? |
| 01:37.12 | sussudio | NOBODY WANTS TO SEE YOUR FUCKING JOKE MAILINGLISTS |
| 01:37.15 | mhall | sussudio: whose? yours or theirs? ;-) |
| 01:37.15 | mhall | sussudio: whose? yours or theirs? ;-) |
| 01:37.22 | deadcat | mhall: no. i didnt know i have to buy anything (= |
| 01:37.45 | mhall | deadcat: then you can hardly complain about it, hehehe |
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| 01:38.18 | sussudio | anyway. |
| 01:38.29 | jetspyd | hi! |
| 01:38.45 | jetspyd | i have a problem with de memory, anyone on the air? |
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| 01:38.51 | deadcat | sussudio: oh those dumb fucks. i hate them... especially from friends. i just want to slap them.. "you stupid shit fuck!" |
| 01:39.04 | sussudio | jetspyd: can you talk like a normal person? |
| 01:39.10 | sussudio | oh, wait. |
| 01:39.10 | sussudio | oh, wait. |
| 01:39.13 | sussudio | !es |
| 01:39.13 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:39.31 | jetspyd | jeje... sory, i not speak very well in english... try to understand.. |
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| 01:39.38 | sussudio | no. |
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| 01:40.08 | Acill | I just installed VLC and I dont know how to have it show in my gnome drop down menuin the multimedia section |
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| 01:40.17 | jetspyd | and... by the way, i'm a normal person |
| 01:40.20 | Acill | If I type VLC in a console it loads and runs fine |
| 01:40.36 | jetspyd | anyway... i have a problem with my recent installation of debian |
| 01:40.39 | Acill | can I get some help? |
| 01:40.49 | nixonor | Ok I have no INITramfs WHAT so ever slected but lilo still wants a initrd.img |
| 01:40.51 | nixonor | Whats going on here lol |
| 01:41.04 | sussudio | Acill: i see you're not actually running debian. |
| 01:41.06 | deadcat | Acill: update-menus manybe or restart your manager |
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| 01:41.23 | ShorTie | i got rc4 linked to linux tring to link rc2, do you have to clear the link to rc4 first |
| 01:41.26 | sussudio | !morphos |
| 01:41.34 | nixonor | HAHAHAHA |
| 01:41.35 | sussudio | whatever the hell that is. |
| 01:41.35 | sussudio | whatever the hell that is. |
| 01:41.37 | jetspyd | i didn't touch the sytem since the instalation... and debian doesn't use the swap memory |
| 01:41.45 | nixonor | I got it lol just had to uncoment initrd.img in lilo lol |
| 01:41.46 | Acill | I am runian debian PPC |
| 01:41.48 | deadcat | sussudio: how you know hes not running debian? |
| 01:41.48 | deadcat | sussudio: how you know hes not running debian? |
| 01:42.01 | sussudio | deadcat: i know |
| 01:42.04 | deadcat | hehe |
| 01:42.06 | jetspyd | when i see the system monitor the use of swap is zero... an my physical memory is almost full |
| 01:42.06 | sussudio | !ppc |
| 01:42.06 | sussudio | !ppc |
| 01:42.06 | dpkg | i heard ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc, or not going to be used by Apple much longer |
| 01:42.17 | mhall | uh, no i don't |
| 01:42.21 | sussudio | !free memory |
| 01:42.21 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux caches files from disk in RAM for performance gains, and will release the RAM if programs need it. |
| 01:42.21 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux caches files from disk in RAM for performance gains, and will release the RAM if programs need it. |
| 01:42.21 | mhall | powerpc is sux |
| 01:42.34 | deadcat | )= |
| 01:42.53 | Acill | well I am using a Pegasos and I like it |
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| 01:42.57 | deadcat | it has problem with flash and java for sure... |
| 01:43.08 | phaedral | i sure would appreciate clues about backing up my school blackboard account---I can't seem to get no luv outta wgat |
| 01:43.18 | jetspyd | jjeje... yeah.. but, why the use of swap is zero? |
| 01:43.25 | Acill | how do I update-menu? |
| 01:43.35 | Acill | I am linux noob you could say |
| 01:43.48 | deadcat | Acill: its a command. so guess |
| 01:43.56 | deadcat | update-menus actually |
| 01:44.29 | dvs | jetspyd: Maybe you haven't used enough memory yet? |
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| 01:44.57 | jetspyd | i have 256mb an the system show me a use of 245mb |
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| 01:45.21 | zinx | jetspyd: did you read what dpkg said about free memory *at all*? |
| 01:45.24 | mhall | ~tell me about cache |
| 01:45.28 | dvs | jetspyd: That's isn't all the memory now, is it? |
| 01:45.57 | mhall | Who the fuck wrote jbot and why does it keep uttering useless shit to me all the time? It's really pissing me off. |
| 01:46.13 | zinx | i would guess TimRiker |
| 01:46.21 | jetspyd | jeje... ok, right... but i not that when the day pass, the system goes slowly and the swap still "taking a nap" |
| 01:46.22 | zinx | well, not wrote |
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| 01:46.50 | vortek | woop |
| 01:46.50 | mhall | ~tell me about jbot |
| 01:46.52 | vortek | Go that kernel working now |
| 01:47.00 | Tortel | !tell me about jbot |
| 01:47.07 | vortek | Ok I'm still not getting sound for this system and all the proper alsa modules are loaded |
| 01:47.07 | vortek | Ok I'm still not getting sound for this system and all the proper alsa modules are loaded |
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| 01:47.20 | Tortel | !:D |
| 01:47.20 | dpkg | :D!!! |
| 01:47.35 | Tortel | vorket: su then alsaconf |
| 01:47.37 | sgeigerbot | These days what's the recommended sound system to install? (Or is there no clear leader?) |
| 01:47.38 | vortek | nothing is mutted either, And mp3blaster is not even pumping sound.. although it shows its playing the sound. |
| 01:47.45 | mhall | !tell me about jbot |
| 01:47.45 | Tortel | vortek: su then alsaconf |
| 01:47.45 | Tortel | vortek: su then alsaconf |
| 01:47.47 | vortek | Tortel : I did it loged in as root :) |
| 01:47.58 | Tortel | alsaconf |
| 01:48.09 | Acill | still no luck finding wheree vlc is and how to get it in the munu |
| 01:48.11 | Tortel | i need to do that each time on the 2.6.8 kernel for sound |
| 01:48.12 | Acill | menu |
| 01:48.37 | Acill | is there a site I can go to for some help other then here? It seems you dont like to be bothered |
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| 01:48.50 | vortek | Tortel : I did run it .. I get a bump and thats it :P and also |
| 01:48.50 | vortek | Tortel : I did run it .. I get a bump and thats it :P and also |
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| 01:48.59 | sgeigerbot | is alsa the best general sound system? |
| 01:49.04 | Tortel | !tell vortek about alsa |
| 01:49.09 | Tortel | i think so |
| 01:49.10 | sgeigerbot | or is oss? |
| 01:49.10 | sgeigerbot | or is oss? |
| 01:49.15 | sgeigerbot | Tortel: are you talking to me? |
| 01:49.17 | mhall | Acill: alright what is that problem |
| 01:49.18 | Tortel | oss is older |
| 01:49.50 | vortek | thanxs |
| 01:49.57 | vortek | I've honestly never had this problem with debian before |
| 01:50.01 | vortek | other then /dev/dsp perms |
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| 01:50.32 | neil | Hi, I was wondering on setting up a VoIP connection between two computers both with a broadband connection. Anyone know where to get a howto etc. |
| 01:50.32 | sgeigerbot | Tortel: what do you mean? |
| 01:50.36 | Acill | just use the package manager in gnome to get VLC and I want to have it in amenu. It runs from a shell if I type vlc so I know it installed fine |
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| 01:50.42 | dvs | Tortel: Put the snd_ modules in /etc/modules |
| 01:50.42 | dvs | Tortel: Put the snd_ modules in /etc/modules |
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| 01:51.32 | ChrisBradley | Can anyone recommend a fast setup Debian cd burner other than gnome toaster? |
| 01:51.37 | cheal | Acill: vlc is in the Debian menu |
| 01:51.42 | keffynd | would like a little assistance if possible, I am trying to setup a small IRC server for a Volunteer organization but I cant seem to find where I can make textual changes to the information viewed on login |
| 01:52.09 | dvs | keffynd: What server are you using? |
| 01:52.14 | Acill | cheal:looking for it there |
| 01:52.35 | Tortel | dvs: so i add snd_{name of card that appears in alsaconf}? |
| 01:52.35 | Tortel | dvs: so i add snd_{name of card that appears in alsaconf}? |
| 01:52.38 | keffynd | dvs I am using the default ircd-ircu |
| 01:52.49 | dvs | Tortel: Yup |
| 01:52.52 | Tortel | ok |
| 01:53.01 | cheal | Acill: "VLC media player" |
| 01:53.54 | vortek | Tortel : no oss crap in /etc/modules and such .. So something must some how be muted :P |
| 01:53.58 | Acill | cheal:yeah, in the debian menu I have a ton of sub menus that I've looked in, but still no luck |
| 01:54.02 | Tortel | :P |
| 01:54.06 | neil | ChrisBradley: Tried Nautilus? |
| 01:54.22 | cheal | Acill: Apps -> Viewers |
| 01:54.26 | Tortel | owell, I tried, ask dvs, they know what they are doin better |
| 01:54.30 | litage | why does ``echo "asdf" | grep "[a-zA-Z0-9-_.]"`` return true, but echo "asdf" | grep "[a-zA-Z0-9-_.]+" return false? |
| 01:54.42 | Acill | cheal:looking |
| 01:54.45 | Lanz | Hey guys how do I get my laptop battery monitor and acpi working with kde? |
| 01:54.51 | Lanz | I'm on sarge with 2.6.8 |
| 01:54.55 | Lanz | Fresh install. |
| 01:55.21 | Tortel | :( |
| 01:55.26 | Acill | cheal:Hmm I guess it installed some strange place |
| 01:55.27 | Tortel | i dont like kde |
| 01:55.47 | cheal | Acill: it's not there? You found the submenu I'm talking about? |
| 01:55.56 | Acill | cheal: yes |
| 01:55.56 | vortek | Tortel : nothing is muted |
| 01:56.12 | Tortel | vortek: owell, I tried, ask dvs, they know what they are doin better |
| 01:56.18 | vortek | dvs ? |
| 01:56.26 | vortek | Tortel : thanxs though |
| 01:56.27 | vortek | :) |
| 01:56.31 | vortek | oh |
| 01:56.36 | vortek | dvs: you alive ? |
| 01:56.40 | Lanz | Hmm. |
| 01:56.40 | Lanz | Hmm. |
| 01:56.41 | cheal | Acill: which release? |
| 01:56.44 | Acill | Lanz: I had sound issues too, but fixed it when I added my user name to the audio group |
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| 01:56.53 | Acill | cheal:sarge |
| 01:56.55 | vortek | Hey whats that old esd command to test the audio maybe I can try that |
| 01:56.57 | Lanz | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:57.10 | vortek | The problem Is every thing plays audio as if there is nothing wrong just no output lol |
| 01:57.28 | Lanz | Sais my computer has a partial acpi installation? |
| 01:57.34 | dvs | vortek: Then it's some sort of mixer problem |
| 01:57.37 | Acill | cheal: I used the synaptic package manager to get it, dont know where it put it. |
| 01:57.37 | Acill | cheal: I used the synaptic package manager to get it, dont know where it put it. |
| 01:57.40 | Lanz | Gosh I hate laptops :/ |
| 01:58.07 | Tortel | noo |
| 01:58.10 | cheal | Acill: all package managers do the same job |
| 01:58.13 | Tortel | i have to wait |
| 01:58.14 | Tortel | :( |
| 01:58.18 | cheal | Acill: do you have a /usr/lib/menu/vlc ? |
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| 01:58.31 | Acill | vortek: Mine did that too, I had to go into the mixer and muve the volume sliders up |
| 01:58.35 | vortek | dvs: yeah But what :P Im stumped maybe A strace will help :) |
| 01:58.43 | vortek | Acill : I maxed em all up |
| 01:58.47 | vortek | Acill: what mixer ? |
| 01:58.48 | Acill | let me look |
| 01:58.49 | keffynd | dvs any ideas? |
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| 01:58.53 | Tortel | alsamixer |
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| 01:58.53 | Tortel | alsamixer |
| 01:58.57 | Tortel | is all i know |
| 01:59.15 | vortek | word |
| 01:59.17 | dvs | keffynd: Nope. |
| 01:59.32 | Acill | vortek: on my system its in multimedia/volume controll |
| 01:59.36 | dvs | vortek: But did you unmute the channels |
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| 02:01.25 | cPbrian | ChanServ likes me |
| 02:01.32 | keffynd | I want to search the entire box for a file with a specific text string, is this correct --> grep 'text goes here' /* -R |
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| 02:02.26 | cheal | keffynd: put the -R after the grep |
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| 02:02.32 | keffynd | ok |
| 02:02.32 | keffynd | ok |
| 02:02.36 | vortek | dvs: im using glkaumix and nothing is checked for mute |
| 02:02.46 | cheal | keffynd: that, plus a good coffee |
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| 02:02.58 | keffynd | yes I know it will take a while :) |
| 02:03.05 | dvs | vortek: glkaumix? If you're using ALSA try alsamixergui |
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| 02:03.44 | deadcat | whats up with xterm. cant even do fading? |
| 02:03.45 | vortek | k |
| 02:03.45 | vortek | k |
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| 02:04.40 | Lanz | No one knows how to make acpi work on a laptop with 2.6.8???? |
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| 02:05.00 | vortek | ok im using that tool |
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| 02:05.09 | vortek | dvs: hrm how do you know if its muted lol |
| 02:05.42 | dvs | vortek: The little speakers at the top of each slider will be a darker grey with little lines coming out of them |
| 02:06.01 | deadcat | Lanz: no it depends on the machine |
| 02:06.05 | dvs | vortek: That's when they are unmuted |
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| 02:06.23 | jasonm | the following error came up during install, "modprobe -v sk98lin" followed by debian not finding my 3Com driver |
| 02:06.48 | vortek | AHHAHA |
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| 02:06.48 | vortek | AHHAHA |
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| 02:06.53 | vortek | analogoutput jack was muted |
| 02:07.02 | vortek | wich most the other apps didnt show |
| 02:07.03 | dvs | vortek: Ha! |
| 02:07.04 | vortek | :) |
| 02:07.04 | vortek | :) |
| 02:07.31 | vortek | :D |
| 02:07.39 | vortek | well cool I got me new kernel and alsa :) |
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| 02:07.44 | vortek | now its time to tweak |
| 02:07.45 | vortek | :) |
| 02:08.11 | cheal | jasonm: uh, "modprobe -v sk98lin" is the error? |
| 02:08.19 | Acill | cheal: yes I have usr/lib/menu/vls |
| 02:08.28 | jasonm | cheal: yes |
| 02:08.37 | cheal | Acill: try # update-menus |
| 02:08.57 | Acill | from a shell right? |
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| 02:09.06 | cheal | jasonm: that looks much more like a command |
| 02:09.14 | cheal | Acill: a root shell |
| 02:09.14 | tmccrary | Hey, is there a way to set processor affinity? |
| 02:09.58 | tmccrary | In Windows I can select a process in the task manager and assign it to a processor, is there a command to do this in debian? |
| 02:10.12 | jasonm | cheal: this is what came up, and this is what i wrote down, -error while running 'modprobe -v sk8lin' |
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| 02:10.24 | Nombre | hello |
| 02:10.50 | cheal | jasonm: ah, that already makes more sense |
| 02:10.53 | Acill | cheal:ok I typed su in a shell, entered the root pass and typed that |
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| 02:11.01 | Acill | let me see if its there now |
| 02:11.02 | cheal | jasonm: so you have no way to try running that command? |
| 02:11.02 | cheal | jasonm: so you have no way to try running that command? |
| 02:11.04 | tmccrary | I just found it I think, its the bind command |
| 02:11.12 | Nombre | im looking in the spanish faq, but cant see anything. anyone know how to create a debian mirror? |
| 02:11.23 | jasonm | cheal: i dont know |
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| 02:11.45 | Acill | cheal:it worked! Thanks a lot |
| 02:11.54 | cheal | Acill: hum, strange |
| 02:12.13 | cheal | jasonm: failing to load a network driver shouldn't keep you from accessing a shell |
| 02:12.26 | jasonm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:12.56 | jasonm | cheal: but i was using the netinstal method, is that any differnet? |
| 02:13.24 | cheal | jasonm: not really. it has less packages on the CD, but it has enough to give you a shell |
| 02:13.25 | dvs | Tortel: Well...? |
| 02:13.31 | Acill | cheal:any way to move it from there to the applications/multimedia menu? |
| 02:13.33 | cheal | jasonm: even without downloading anything |
| 02:13.51 | cheal | Acill: you see such a menu? |
| 02:13.56 | jasonm | well theres no way to get past that phase of the install |
| 02:14.11 | Tortel | huh? |
| 02:14.12 | Tortel | oh |
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| 02:14.18 | cheal | jasonm: what happens? does it freeze? |
| 02:14.26 | Tortel | it loads my motherboards sound card |
| 02:14.28 | Tortel | :( |
| 02:14.39 | jasonm | when i say its non of the drivers on the list, it offers me to insert a floppy, that didnt work and it says to try and or the floppy isnt working, theres no continue install. |
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| 02:15.07 | nemo_ | Does anyone know if Evolution mail can be set up to retrieve Netscape webmail |
| 02:15.36 | cheal | jasonm: hum which list are you talking about? |
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| 02:15.48 | jasonm | the list of network drivers |
| 02:16.04 | Acill | cheal:yes, top left of menu bar is applications. Click it and I have several sub menus |
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| 02:16.14 | d03boy | would you recommend using etch/testing on a workstation that is not the most important thing in the world? It doesnt allow you to install security updates right? |
| 02:16.14 | cheal | jasonm: what does that list look like? what are the options? what do you do to get that list? |
| 02:16.14 | cheal | jasonm: what does that list look like? what are the options? what do you do to get that list? |
| 02:16.43 | cheal | Acill: is the submenu you're talking about in the debian menu? |
| 02:17.04 | jasonm | it came up after i said that keyboard and language i want |
| 02:17.04 | bucky | how do i /msg dpkg for the factoid about md5sum for xorg.conf? |
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| 02:17.07 | Acill | cheal:no |
| 02:17.11 | cheal | d03boy: it does. etch security is simply weaker than stable's/unstable's |
| 02:17.16 | dvs | d03boy: Actually, now it does! |
| 02:17.22 | jasonm | the list is a list of drivers for a network card |
| 02:17.28 | jasonm | like 3Com and others |
| 02:17.40 | dvs | bucky: /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 02:17.42 | Tortel | :| |
| 02:17.42 | Tortel | :| |
| 02:17.45 | d03boy | ohh ok |
| 02:17.59 | bucky | dvs, thank you |
| 02:17.59 | d03boy | sounds good, i'll be back for more help later :P |
| 02:18.09 | Acill | cheal:gnome foot, click it. There are menus in that |
| 02:18.13 | cheal | jasonm: you're installing sarge, right? |
| 02:18.20 | cheal | Acill: I don't have gnome |
| 02:18.22 | jasonm | yes |
| 02:18.38 | Acill | ah, debian menu is at the bottom of that |
| 02:18.40 | cheal | Acill: the VLC entry is a Debian menu. that isn't compatible with Gnome menu entries |
| 02:18.55 | cheal | s/Debian menu/Debian menu entry |
| 02:18.56 | Tortel | !tell me about sleep |
| 02:19.04 | Acill | cheal:Ah I see then |
| 02:19.05 | Tortel | gn |
| 02:19.08 | cheal | Acill: you'd better create a shortcut |
| 02:19.46 | Acill | cheal:Can I put that any place? |
| 02:20.03 | Acill | I know I can drag things tot he menu bars and such |
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| 02:20.44 | Acill | cheal: BTW, thanks so much for the help |
| 02:20.59 | cheal | Acill: hum, try it, creating a menu entry shouldn't be particularly hard |
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| 02:21.35 | cheal | jasonm: and the card you want to get working is a 3Com? |
| 02:22.22 | neil | \leave |
| 02:22.27 | dvs | !exit |
| 02:22.28 | dpkg | /quit you fool! |
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| 02:22.46 | TwistedEmotions2 | hahahahaha |
| 02:23.11 | TwistedEmotions | Whoops ;) |
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| 02:26.26 | cheal | jasonm: what's your card's model? |
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| 02:26.44 | sgeigerbot | If I don't start up skype as root, I get messages like this while I try to use skype: "/dev/dsp-1: Device or resource busy" And skype doesn't properly work, I might add. However, when I start skype as root, it does work. Okay, sounds like group membership problems, right? That's what I thought. I had already added myself to the audio group and logged out/in. So I went looking for /dev/dsp-1...and I coudln't find it. /dev |
| 02:26.44 | sgeigerbot | /dsp, /dev/dsp1 and the others *were* there...and in the audio group. Any ideas on what's wrong? |
| 02:26.53 | manchine | in which file can i find exec $WINDOWMANAGER in order to change a few settings? |
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| 02:27.10 | deadcat | manchine: /etc/X11 |
| 02:27.31 | jasonm | cheal: ya its a 3Com card |
| 02:27.44 | jasonm | its on my motherboard |
| 02:27.51 | cheal | jasonm: but which model? |
| 02:28.08 | manchine | deadcat: that is a dir, afaik |
| 02:28.22 | dvs | jasonm: /exec -o lspci | grep Eth |
| 02:28.32 | zinx | sgeigerbot: maybe it's trying to use ALSA |
| 02:28.35 | manchine | deadcat: i need to no which file is used to pick the window manager |
| 02:28.46 | cheal | dvs: he doesn't seem to know how to get a shell |
| 02:29.07 | dvs | cheal: Doesn't need a shell. Type it in the chat program |
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| 02:29.22 | deadcat | manchine: look for it |
| 02:29.23 | sgeigerbot | zinx: I did install alsa. What about that? |
| 02:29.36 | roRisc3 | q |
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| 02:29.41 | sgeigerbot | zinx: I really don't know linux sound very well. |
| 02:29.44 | zinx | sgeigerbot: the ALSA devices are in a different place - /dev/snd/ |
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| 02:30.07 | jasonm | cheal: 3Com Gigabit LOM 3c940 |
| 02:30.15 | deadcat | does the cursor blink look better than just a solid block? |
| 02:30.18 | jasonm | is what it says in windows |
| 02:30.23 | cheal | dvs: I doubt most IRC clients support that. moreover I don't see how he'd be IRC-ing here from a non-networked machine on which he doesn't know how to get a shell |
| 02:30.29 | zinx | sgeigerbot: other possibilities include wrong perms on the mixer... to be honest, strace would probably help you determine the problem |
| 02:30.33 | manchine | deadcat: silence would tell me the same |
| 02:30.42 | dvs | cheal: Oh ok. Good point! ;-) |
| 02:30.43 | jasonm | the linux driver is called 3c2000 i believe |
| 02:30.43 | jasonm | the linux driver is called 3c2000 i believe |
| 02:30.52 | cheal | jasonm: ok. the SK98LIN driver does look like the right driver |
| 02:31.01 | cheal | or sk98lin |
| 02:31.25 | sgeigerbot | zinx: Well, I do have evidence evidence of that. "sudo lsmod" shows a lot of snd_ modules loaded...and, well, I did install alsa. However, if it says it is trying to use /dev/dsp-1 why wouldn't it try to use that when it is using alsa? |
| 02:31.38 | sgeigerbot | zinx: why would this change if I'm running skype as root? |
| 02:31.50 | zinx | sgeigerbot: strace :/ |
| 02:31.54 | jasonm | cheal: can i PM you? |
| 02:31.58 | zinx | sgeigerbot: look for where it tries to open /dev/* |
| 02:32.04 | cheal | jasonm: I don't see why yet |
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| 02:32.14 | stew | sgeigerbot: you know you don't need root privileges to lsmod :) |
| 02:32.14 | stew | sgeigerbot: you know you don't need root privileges to lsmod :) |
| 02:32.19 | cheal | jasonm: so where were we...I was asking you if you had access to a shell. what happens after you choose a driver (and which do you choose)? |
| 02:32.23 | zinx | sgeigerbot: there's also one more less obvious thing i just thought of |
| 02:32.26 | sgeigerbot | stew: oh, I always forget that. |
| 02:32.38 | deadcat | manchine: if you're too lazy to look under /etc/X11, then too bad |
| 02:32.49 | gteppel | For those who dual-boot machines (Windows & Debian), what is your recommended setup to share data between the two OS's. Right now I have two hard drives (120GB (hd0) & 40GB (hd1)) I will be putting XP on hd0 with a 20 GB parition, and linux will take the entire space of hd1. The remaining 80 GB from hd0 will be formatted as a vfat partition using debian. How stable is vfat, from both the debian perspective and windows. I can't really s |
| 02:32.50 | jasonm | well non on the list of options are correct |
| 02:32.55 | gteppel | sing an ext3 driver in windows |
| 02:32.57 | jasonm | so i choose non of the above |
| 02:33.00 | zinx | sgeigerbot: if you're actually logging in to X as root, you may not be starting a sound daemon, and it may be a sound daemon making skype unable to access the sound card |
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| 02:33.20 | sgeigerbot | zinx: I'm not logging into x as root. |
| 02:33.20 | stew | sgeigerbot: i'm not really paying attention here but if you hae something trying to get at /dev/dsp and you are using alsa you need to modprobe snd_pcm_oss |
| 02:33.21 | gteppel | i also have another box that is a debian home server, that i could possibly use as a file server |
| 02:33.21 | gteppel | i also have another box that is a debian home server, that i could possibly use as a file server |
| 02:33.22 | jasonm | then it promps me to give the driver from floppy |
| 02:33.31 | zinx | sgeigerbot: strace :/ |
| 02:33.41 | gteppel | i'm essentially looking for comments and/or suggestions about my situation |
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| 02:34.19 | cheal | jasonm: strange, I didn't know sarge did that. do you actually have a floppy drive? and when it does that, can you get a shell by typing Ctrl+Alt+F2 ? |
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| 02:34.53 | jasonm | i do have a floppy drive |
| 02:35.05 | jasonm | and i cant remember if i could type anything |
| 02:35.14 | cheal | gteppel: vfat should be stable...depending on your windows OS ;) |
| 02:35.42 | Firefishe | I just installed 3.1 Sarge: I just need a display issue. What is the command line config command to 1. list the packages installed, and 2. configure the xserver |
| 02:35.42 | cheal | jasonm: try it. that should bring you to a shell on which you can try running the command manually |
| 02:35.42 | cheal | jasonm: try it. that should bring you to a shell on which you can try running the command manually |
| 02:35.56 | cheal | !drxx Firefishe |
| 02:35.57 | dpkg | Firefishe: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 02:35.59 | jasonm | which is what? |
| 02:36.04 | jasonm | i only have one computer |
| 02:36.19 | cheal | Firefishe: dpkg -l|grep ii |
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| 02:36.36 | cheal | jasonm: # modprobe -v sk98lin |
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| 02:36.55 | jasonm | so sk98lin was the network card? |
| 02:37.02 | cheal | jasonm: the driver for it |
| 02:37.15 | frank_b | when I install debian I can't get any sound from the CD player, but for other sounds seems to be OK. any suggestions? |
| 02:37.36 | sgeigerbot | frank_b: is this a laptop? |
| 02:37.45 | frank_b | no |
| 02:37.48 | frank_b | a p4 |
| 02:37.49 | cheal | frank_: "CD player" is a particular application? |
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| 02:38.04 | cheal | frank_b: |
| 02:38.24 | frank_b | I'm not sure what's the name... it's the function I'm talking about... one that plays audio cds |
| 02:38.25 | abdul4 | just installed debian on an HP Pavilion a305w - the video is limited to 800x600. Anyone know where I can get the drivers for this machine? (wasn't on HP's website.) |
| 02:38.25 | abdul4 | just installed debian on an HP Pavilion a305w - the video is limited to 800x600. Anyone know where I can get the drivers for this machine? (wasn't on HP's website.) |
| 02:38.37 | cheal | gteppel: your plan looks good |
| 02:38.43 | stew | frank_b: hook up the little cable that goes from the cdplayer to the soundcard |
| 02:39.02 | frank_b | the computer it's ok. I can play cds on other OSs |
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| 02:39.32 | cheal | abdul4: you need to tell us which video card it has, nobody will go search that for you |
| 02:39.32 | sgeigerbot | frank_b: Have you adjusted the mixer? aumix |
| 02:39.33 | jasonm | cheal: any other idea's |
| 02:39.42 | jasonm | its a pain going back and forth |
| 02:39.52 | frank_b | no. I can try that then |
| 02:39.52 | jasonm | ugh i wish i had a second pc in these situations |
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| 02:40.16 | abdul4 | cheal - it's built onto the motherboard - how can I find out? |
| 02:40.18 | cheal | jasonm: not really. try running the command and the output. if there's none, # dmesg|tail |
| 02:40.23 | frank_b | I think it must be an easy thing to solve, since the other sounds are ok... |
| 02:40.23 | frank_b | I think it must be an easy thing to solve, since the other sounds are ok... |
| 02:40.33 | frank_b | but my main doubt is other |
| 02:40.37 | Firefishe | thanks...must reboot |
| 02:40.44 | frank_b | is there an xfree86 fglrx driver? |
| 02:40.52 | cheal | abdul4: looking at the computer's specs... or maybe with $ lspci |
| 02:40.53 | jasonm | -v sk98lin is the command? whats the output? |
| 02:41.21 | cheal | jasonm: no, 'modprobe -v sk98lin' |
| 02:41.34 | jasonm | ok |
| 02:41.36 | cheal | you run it to see what the output will be |
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| 02:41.53 | abdul4 | thanks, it did give me output. |
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| 02:42.00 | jasonm | and if that doesnt work, # dmesg|tail?? |
| 02:42.08 | abdul4 | looks like: ""GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device) |
| 02:42.25 | abdul4 | (by Intel Corp) |
| 02:43.57 | frank_b | debian doesn't have a driver for my radeon 9250. it installs a "generic" one. can I easily solve the problem just by installing some "fglrx" driver? |
| 02:44.00 | cheal | abdul4: what's your current X video driver? |
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| 02:44.53 | cheal | frank_b: which problem do you expect that to solve? |
| 02:45.18 | spdf | frank_b, You could do that. It works well enough.. |
| 02:45.30 | frank_b | cheal: to be able to have a greater resolution; faster graphics... |
| 02:45.46 | abdul4 | I believe it's v4lsrc |
| 02:45.47 | frank_b | ah, cool. thanks |
| 02:46.00 | frank_b | there's one for xfree86 then? an fglrx driver? |
| 02:46.22 | cheal | frank_b: I would guess they're the same |
| 02:46.28 | frank_b | cool |
| 02:46.29 | frank_b | thanks |
| 02:46.58 | LinuxNewbie | hello there im back, i got this problem im trying to setup debian as a file server, using samba, clients are XP, ive followed the instructions on the site, and tried to change domain in XP, it change properly, rebooted, then when im enter the username and password again it displayed a error that, "a attach device something", now im SUSE and followed the same instruction, and now the when im in the part to enter the username password, it login! any sug |
| 02:47.13 | dondelelcaro | sancho |
| 02:47.17 | dondelelcaro | ECHAN |
| 02:47.18 | spdf | frank_b, There are packages availble for the fglrx stuff.. All you need to do is install the kernel headers, and those packages, and compile the kernel module.. easy as pie.. |
| 02:47.41 | cheal | LinuxNewbie: probably ask the right channel |
| 02:47.45 | frank_b | compile kernel... and that is easy you say? |
| 02:47.54 | cheal | LinuxNewbie: and of course send complete messages :) |
| 02:48.03 | spdf | frank_b, You don't have to compile the kernel.. just the fglrx module.. takes 10secs... |
| 02:48.14 | frank_b | hmm ok |
| 02:48.39 | cheal | abdul4: doesn't look familiar, it must be something else |
| 02:48.51 | spdf | frank_b, The /etc/apt/sources.list line is "deb http://www.stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-fglrx-xorg/ ./" |
| 02:48.51 | spdf | frank_b, The /etc/apt/sources.list line is "deb http://www.stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-fglrx-xorg/ ./" |
| 02:48.57 | LinuxNewbie | or better yet how could i locate what modules that suse is running on, and then try to install it at debian |
| 02:49.19 | frank_b | thnks spdf |
| 02:49.25 | cheal | LinuxNewbie: modules? for what? |
| 02:49.25 | cheal | LinuxNewbie: modules? for what? |
| 02:49.25 | frank_b | I might just try that then |
| 02:49.32 | sandman | How do I know what logs are for what in /var/log? |
| 02:49.42 | Gnea | hrm |
| 02:49.42 | cheal | sandman: by their name, usually |
| 02:49.43 | cheal | sandman: by their name, usually |
| 02:49.44 | spdf | sandman, They're some what explanitory... |
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| 02:50.07 | sandman | spdf: Not to me. |
| 02:50.13 | LinuxNewbie | like maybe i miss to install something in debian that is installed here in suse |
| 02:50.18 | Guerin | sandman: which ones are unclear? |
| 02:50.20 | spdf | sandman, Which ones don't make sense? |
| 02:50.22 | abdul4 | cheal - where do I look up which driver I'm currently using? |
| 02:50.22 | abdul4 | cheal - where do I look up which driver I'm currently using? |
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| 02:51.02 | Guerin | LinuxNewbie: what are you missing? |
| 02:51.03 | frank_b | spdf: they're for X.org. debian uses xfree86. I heard that installing x.org can mess up your system |
| 02:51.03 | frank_b | spdf: they're for X.org. debian uses xfree86. I heard that installing x.org can mess up your system |
| 02:51.05 | cheal | LinuxNewbie: you'd better try getting a more precise message than "a attach device something" |
| 02:51.12 | spdf | frank_b, Xorg is packaged for testing now.. |
| 02:51.19 | LinuxNewbie | ok wait |
| 02:51.27 | sandman | diff messages.0 messages |
| 02:51.39 | abdul4 | sorry, which video driver I meant to say\ |
| 02:51.40 | spdf | frank_b, I believe just changing -xorg to -xfree86 is sufficient (in the deb source line..) |
| 02:51.53 | cheal | abdul4: $ debconf-show xserver-xfree86|grep device/driver |
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| 02:52.12 | Guerin | sandman: /var/log/messages is things your kernel wants to tell you |
| 02:52.18 | frank_b | spdf: aha! yes, it is :) |
| 02:52.25 | frank_b | http://www.stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-fglrx-xfree86/ |
| 02:52.33 | spdf | frank_b, Makes sense :) |
| 02:52.33 | spdf | frank_b, Makes sense :) |
| 02:52.48 | deadcat | is there a channel for xterm? or i just go to xorg for that? |
| 02:53.03 | d03boy | could someone recommend a way to burn an iso on debian. I tried dd but its saying input/output error |
| 02:53.13 | jasonm | no luck |
| 02:53.14 | spdf | d03boy, cdrecord |
| 02:53.30 | Guerin | deadcat: it's probably worth asking in here |
| 02:53.36 | cheal | jasonm: which kind |
| 02:53.41 | spdf | d03boy, or k3b |
| 02:53.48 | d03boy | oh ya, k3b, i'll use that |
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| 02:54.00 | frank_b | spdf: about testing, I can't download it due to bandwith restrictions... but I'm liking what I'm hearing... I think I'll give 3.1 another try then |
| 02:54.05 | deadcat | Guerin: i am tring to see if theres a way to fade or shade xterm like uxrvt, colors dims when i focus on other window |
| 02:54.06 | jasonm | there wasnt any oportunity to input that command |
| 02:54.08 | LinuxNewbie | heres the message in XP when i try to log on to debian, "the system cannot log you on due to the following: error a device attach to the system is not functioning" but when XP try to log on to SUSE it log on well |
| 02:54.09 | LinuxNewbie | heres the message in XP when i try to log on to debian, "the system cannot log you on due to the following: error a device attach to the system is not functioning" but when XP try to log on to SUSE it log on well |
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| 02:54.50 | cheal | jasonm: so nothing happened when you pressed Alt+F2 ? |
| 02:54.51 | Kevin` | in xp.. log into debian |
| 02:54.53 | Kevin` | wtf? |
| 02:55.01 | LinuxNewbie | samba |
| 02:55.05 | abdul4 | cheal? You still there? Demo IRC program quit on me. Where do I find which video driver I'm currently using? |
| 02:55.10 | jasonm | cheal: nope |
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| 02:55.17 | frank_b | thanks spdf. I might come back later then. |
| 02:55.20 | Guerin | deadcat: that's pretty arcane. Why not just use rxvt? |
| 02:55.22 | Inflate | hi, is there a way to repartition my hd using one command? To explain more, I want to have hda1, hda2 and hda3, but don't want to use a partitioner, I want these partitons be created automatically because I want to use it in a script. |
| 02:55.23 | cheal | abdul4: I am. I was saying you... |
| 02:55.27 | cheal | abdul4: $ debconf-show xserver-xfree86|grep device/driver |
| 02:55.27 | cheal | abdul4: $ debconf-show xserver-xfree86|grep device/driver |
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| 02:55.44 | Guerin | Inflate: fdisk can be scripted |
| 02:55.54 | deadcat | Guerin: i dont know. i just prefer typing xterm or saying xterm over u r x v t |
| 02:55.58 | frank_b | bye all |
| 02:56.01 | Inflate | can you give me some examples? |
| 02:56.18 | Guerin | deadcat: if you try really hard, you could come up with a more stupid reason |
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| 02:56.32 | d03boy | k3b seems to think that the netinst image is unusable for some reason |
| 02:56.32 | d03boy | k3b seems to think that the netinst image is unusable for some reason |
| 02:56.38 | cheal | LinuxNewbie: so did you try to google it? |
| 02:56.46 | deadcat | Guerin: and i dont want to config my other files to adjust |
| 02:56.46 | Guerin | d03boy: check the hash |
| 02:56.51 | spdf | d03boy, does it pass md5? |
| 02:56.54 | d03boy | Guerin, ok, i'll try to figure out how to do that |
| 02:56.56 | skypa | does somebody know what kinde of user permissions the nfs server got? so how do i have to flag a file for it to be deleted by a remote nfs user? |
| 02:57.00 | skypa | *kind |
| 02:57.10 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: Wanna bet that he can't? |
| 02:57.17 | abdul4 | cheal - I'm using "vesa" |
| 02:57.17 | abdul4 | cheal - I'm using "vesa" |
| 02:57.19 | deadcat | i cant |
| 02:57.26 | sandman | I want ntp support in my system... so I can use the Synchronize clock with Internet servers option @ GNOME Time and Date Settings... which package to install? ntpdate? |
| 02:57.32 | LinuxNewbie | yes i tried to google it found nothing to help |
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| 02:57.52 | skypa | sandman: yeah, ntpdate |
| 02:57.57 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: not really. |
| 02:58.03 | LinuxNewbie | maybe theres something in suse services or module that i have to intall in debian |
| 02:58.05 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: Heh. |
| 02:58.10 | cheal | jasonm: so, what happens after the driver selection step |
| 02:58.19 | Guerin | but in other news |
| 02:58.25 | Guerin | the doc says I need 2 weeks bed rest |
| 02:58.26 | jasonm | nothing |
| 02:58.31 | Guerin | ! |
| 02:58.45 | LinuxNewbie | i really like debian it much stable than suse |
| 02:58.47 | spdf | abdul4, You have an intel integrated chipset... try using the i810 driver for X... instead of vesa.. |
| 02:58.53 | jasonm | it asks me if i have a driver on floppy |
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| 02:58.59 | grover | heyo, I have an acer laptop that needs an extra driver for the buttons to work. Got it compiled no prob. now, how do I get it to load automatically on boot, preferably before network? |
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| 02:59.07 | Inflate | Guerin: I checked man page, I can't find any way in it to delete the existing partitions and create what I want |
| 02:59.12 | cheal | jasonm: and what can you do? |
| 02:59.23 | spdf | grover, add it to /etc/modules |
| 02:59.24 | sandman | Okay I did that, but gnome is still telling me I need NTP support |
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| 02:59.46 | spdf | sandman, Does the same thing here, even with it installed.. Its odd.. |
| 03:00.14 | grover | spdf: thanks! |
| 03:00.33 | abdul4 | spdf - excuse my ignorance, but how do I tell debian to do that? |
| 03:00.45 | sandman | spdf: Just more Sarge Brokenness. |
| 03:00.51 | spdf | abdul4, Just ask it. "Debian. Can you use i810 for me?" |
| 03:01.00 | abdul4 | lol |
| 03:01.14 | skypa | sandman, what happens if you run "ntpdate ntp1.ptb.de" ? |
| 03:01.15 | cheal | !drxx abdul4 |
| 03:01.16 | dpkg | abdul4: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 03:01.38 | abdul4 | thanks. |
| 03:01.42 | spdf | abdul4, but seriously... edit your /etc/X11/XF86Config (or /etc/X11/xorg.conf, whichever you have) and change "vesa" to "i810" in the driver section... just look around and you'll find it.. |
| 03:02.06 | d03boy | if I want to run testing, is it ok to download the netinst stable and then just change the aptconf to testing and then upgrade? |
| 03:02.14 | abdul4 | cool |
| 03:02.27 | spdf | d03boy, yep, do a apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 03:02.27 | spdf | d03boy, yep, do a apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 03:02.31 | cheal | spdf: ur, that not the recommended way to edit X config. particularly since XF86Config will be ignored |
| 03:02.39 | d03boy | spdf, thanks |
| 03:02.54 | cheal | spdf: s/recommended/Debian |
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| 03:03.36 | jasonm | cheal: i can only offer more drivers through floppy, or just quit the install |
| 03:04.22 | cheal | jasonm: did you try to quit the install? |
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| 03:04.52 | sandman | How to dchroot into a non-default chroot? |
| 03:05.06 | sandman | I tried running dchroot bla, when the default chroot is etch |
| 03:05.12 | skypa | chroot /path/to/root |
| 03:05.14 | sandman | But it still goes to etch instead of bla |
| 03:05.21 | skypa | ah, dchroot.. sorry |
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| 03:08.35 | sandman | I take it there's no way. |
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| 03:12.03 | abdul4 | cheal, spdf - I've manually trying to edit the XF86Config file, and although I was successfully able to edit it, it didn't seem to have any effect. So I'm trying to run the dpkg command, but it doesn't seem to know what to do with the " -reconfigure" option. |
| 03:12.21 | Whistleboy | what is the difference between kernel-image and linux-image |
| 03:12.26 | dpower | hi i wrote a shell script but can figure out how to execute it upon boot up |
| 03:12.28 | dpower | any thought? |
| 03:12.36 | sandman | You know it's strange. Firefox will just close for no reason sometimes |
| 03:12.36 | sandman | You know it's strange. Firefox will just close for no reason sometimes |
| 03:12.38 | skypa | abdul4, -reconfigure is no parameter |
| 03:12.42 | skypa | dpkg-reconfigure |
| 03:12.43 | spdf | abdul4, its dpkg-reconfigure ... one word/command |
| 03:12.43 | sandman | No error, no logs.. |
| 03:12.43 | sandman | No error, no logs.. |
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| 03:12.45 | sandman | Just totally close. |
| 03:12.50 | cheal | abdul4: you shouldn't edit that file manually |
| 03:12.50 | sandman | Instantly, too. |
| 03:13.00 | abdul4 | ah ha! |
| 03:13.05 | Xenguy | chmod 755 file |
| 03:13.05 | spdf | abdul4, Don't listen to me ;) My way isn't really safe.. to be honest.. |
| 03:13.21 | Xenguy | dpower: chmod 755 file |
| 03:13.22 | cheal | abdul4: ...unless you have a better reason |
| 03:13.22 | Xenguy | dpower: chmod 755 file |
| 03:13.22 | cheal | abdul4: ...unless you have a better reason |
| 03:13.54 | cheal | abdul4: however, now that you edited, dpkg-reconfigure won't have effect. use # dexconf after to fix that |
| 03:13.58 | Xenguy | dpower: then /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 03:14.37 | jasonm | cheal: jasonm: did you try to quit the install? |
| 03:14.40 | jasonm | how do i do this |
| 03:14.50 | dpower | ty |
| 03:15.11 | abdul4 | what was the command again to have the computer list out it's hardware? It's asking about a bus identifier |
| 03:15.17 | skypa | lspci |
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| 03:15.22 | abdul4 | thank you. |
| 03:15.25 | skypa | yw |
| 03:15.26 | skypa | yw |
| 03:15.27 | Xenguy | dpower: my reply is slightly confusing, but that is the file to look at, unless you need further arrangements |
| 03:15.54 | Xenguy | dpower: in which case update-rc.d |
| 03:15.59 | MrXerox | Is there a package available to install GTK+? |
| 03:16.15 | cheal | jasonm: you said "cheal: i can only offer more drivers through floppy, or just quit the install" |
| 03:16.40 | jasonm | thats what you said |
| 03:16.46 | jasonm | i c/p by mistake |
| 03:16.47 | Whistleboy | is linux-image the same as kernel-image?? |
| 03:16.51 | Xenguy | MrXerox: apt-cache gtk |grep gtk ? |
| 03:16.51 | Xenguy | MrXerox: apt-cache gtk |grep gtk ? |
| 03:17.06 | cheal | jasonm: I now suppose you meant "press a button on the case" for "quit the install"? not an option on the screen? |
| 03:17.24 | cheal | Whistleboy: basically. s/same as/new form of |
| 03:17.42 | jasonm | it doesnt say that |
| 03:17.51 | Whistleboy | cheal: just a naming convention change? |
| 03:17.51 | Whistleboy | cheal: just a naming convention change? |
| 03:17.58 | jasonm | it just keeps repeating witht he driver from floppy stage |
| 03:18.02 | cheal | abdul4: you don't have to provide that though |
| 03:18.05 | jasonm | as if you cant skip it |
| 03:18.07 | abdul4 | rebooting... let's see if it works! |
| 03:18.07 | abdul4 | rebooting... let's see if it works! |
| 03:18.18 | abdul4 | cheal - yeah, I managed to get away with leaving it blank. |
| 03:18.28 | spdf | abdul4, You don't have to reboot |
| 03:18.32 | cheal | abdul4: and you don'T have to reboot, of course |
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| 03:18.55 | abdul4 | lol |
| 03:19.16 | abdul4 | oh well. |
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| 03:19.31 | cheal | jasonm: in my book, the netinst shouldn't require you to set up a network card before allowing you to do something with your OS |
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| 03:19.32 | cheal | jasonm: in my book, the netinst shouldn't require you to set up a network card before allowing you to do something with your OS |
| 03:19.47 | cluster | I have a rather newb question: what X server should I use Xorg or Xfree? What are pros and cons? |
| 03:19.53 | cheal | jasonm: you're really booting a *Debian 3.1 netinst* CD, right? |
| 03:20.11 | MrXerox | Xenguy: E: Invalid operation gtk |
| 03:20.11 | gravity | cluster: Use the one that came with your distro unless it doesn't fit your needs |
| 03:20.11 | gravity | cluster: Use the one that came with your distro unless it doesn't fit your needs |
| 03:20.14 | cheal | cluster: the one in your release. pros : it works |
| 03:20.29 | Xenguy | MrXerox: do it as root for one thing |
| 03:20.39 | Woosta | cheal++ |
| 03:21.01 | cluster | thanx |
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| 03:21.30 | abdul4 | cheal - am I suppose to use dexconf after running dpkg-reconfigure or before? |
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| 03:21.43 | cheal | Whistleboy: yes. the kernel team made some big changes to their packaging with 2.6.12 and changed that among other things |
| 03:21.56 | cheal | abdul4: after or before |
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| 03:22.19 | cheal | abdul4: checking /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 will let you know if it worked |
| 03:22.22 | Whistleboy | cheal: ok, thanks. I haven't touched kernels in quite a while. |
| 03:22.22 | dpower | Xenguy: yes this skeleton file does look a bit confusing |
| 03:22.22 | Whistleboy | cheal: ok, thanks. I haven't touched kernels in quite a while. |
| 03:22.22 | dpower | Xenguy: yes this skeleton file does look a bit confusing |
| 03:22.24 | abdul4 | k |
| 03:22.36 | Firefishe | hi again, cheal ; got my monitor config take care of..thank you :) |
| 03:22.50 | cheal | Firefishe: nice :) |
| 03:23.04 | Firefishe | my screen was so blocky, I could barely make out letters ;) |
| 03:23.15 | Firefishe | turning anti-aliasing in KDE on, helped too |
| 03:23.22 | abdul4 | when I look in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, it says my video driver is the i810. |
| 03:23.38 | cheal | abdul4: is that what you chose with dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 03:23.48 | abdul4 | yes |
| 03:23.56 | MrXerox | Xenguy: E: Invalid operation gtk still even as root |
| 03:23.58 | abdul4 | besides using "Applicatoins: Desktop Preferences: Screen Resolution" how else can I change the resolution?/ |
| 03:23.58 | abdul4 | besides using "Applicatoins: Desktop Preferences: Screen Resolution" how else can I change the resolution?/ |
| 03:24.04 | cheal | abdul4: so it seems it worked, unless it was already that before |
| 03:24.04 | Firefishe | is there any exceptional difference in using x.org over xfree86? |
| 03:24.09 | Xenguy | dpower: it does 'case' logic - anyway, if you must write your own shell script, the deposit in /etc/init.d, and use update-rc.d |
| 03:24.12 | spdf | MrXerox, are you doing "apt-get install gtk" or "apt-get gtk"? |
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| 03:24.30 | MrXerox | apt-get install gtk |
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| 03:24.36 | cheal | abdul4: in the X config, and then depending of the desktop environment you use |
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| 03:24.37 | cheal | abdul4: in the X config, and then depending of the desktop environment you use |
| 03:24.40 | robbie_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:24.48 | gravity | Firefishe: Not for the average user at this stage. Mainly driver updates if you need them. |
| 03:25.03 | Firefishe | gravity: thanks. |
| 03:25.04 | cheal | Firefishe: one is available in your release, the other isn't... |
| 03:25.07 | fjkadfooo | Hi. I'm using Debian Etch. When do new versions of software usually show up in the repository? |
| 03:25.08 | gravity | Firefishe: No problem |
| 03:25.08 | MrXerox | E: Couldn't find package gtk |
| 03:25.24 | Guerin | robbie_: rgrep |
| 03:25.26 | abdul4 | hrm, in the X Config, I told it to use 1024x768 as the lowest resolution.. that didn't seem to work. |
| 03:25.29 | cheal | fjkadfooo: each day |
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| 03:25.32 | Xenguy | MrXerox: sorry, it should be -> apt-cache search gtk |grep gtk |
| 03:25.40 | Firefishe | cheal: What do you mean? either/or or only one is on the disk? |
| 03:25.53 | cheal | abdul4: does your config file seem to match that? |
| 03:26.03 | MrXerox | np Xen...thnaks |
| 03:26.12 | abdul4 | nope. |
| 03:26.20 | Xenguy | MrXerox: yw |
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| 03:26.32 | abdul4 | if I manually edit the config file and re-run dexconf, will that work? |
| 03:26.35 | cheal | Firefishe: sarge and woody have XFree86, etch and sid have X.org. there's no choice. |
| 03:26.43 | helix_ | is gnome 2.12 ready with debian? |
| 03:27.06 | cheal | helix_: it's entering experimental (unless it's sid) |
| 03:27.11 | cheal | or it's already there |
| 03:27.22 | gravity | helix_: Nope |
| 03:27.22 | cheal | basically if you ask, you can't use it yet |
| 03:27.23 | helix | o_O |
| 03:27.27 | Firefishe | cheal: oh, I see. thank you. the testing and unstable branches are working with X.org. Pbly going to go with that in the future, eh? |
| 03:28.08 | gravity | helix: :-) |
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| 03:28.08 | cheal | abdul4: no, dexconf is to apply the changes you did with dpkg-reconfigure to your X config file in the case you edited the file manually |
| 03:28.09 | gravity | helix: :-) |
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| 03:28.09 | cheal | abdul4: no, dexconf is to apply the changes you did with dpkg-reconfigure to your X config file in the case you edited the file manually |
| 03:28.10 | abdul4 | ok |
| 03:28.34 | cheal | Firefishe: yes...unless you don't want an X server ;) |
| 03:29.06 | jasonm | cheal: thats it |
| 03:29.14 | Firefishe | cheal..yeah ;) sometimes you don't, but this is my desktop system, soooo ;) |
| 03:29.49 | Firefishe | I have to say, I just nixed all of suse 9.1 pro...thing was beginning to do weird things.... |
| 03:29.53 | cheal | jasonm: you could try asking #debian-boot |
| 03:29.55 | fjkadfooo | cheal, is there a place that places progress on this? AbiWord has been out for a few days and has not been updated. I heard things about switching to different source code conventions, is this why packages are not merged immediately? |
| 03:30.12 | Xenguy | Celelibi: bc |
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| 03:31.07 | cheal | fjkadfooo: the latest abiword is in sid. you'd have to find why it didn't transition to testing yet |
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| 03:33.56 | abdul4 | is anyone sure if I should be using the i810 video driver with a "GE Chipset Integrated Graphics DeviceGE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device"? |
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| 03:34.44 | Firefishe | what is the online repository for debian binaries? |
| 03:34.56 | spdf | abdul4, Yep |
| 03:35.17 | sandman | I'd like to find out why my firefox will just shutdown instantly for no reason. No error message, nothing in the terminal that launched it |
| 03:35.22 | cheal | Firefishe: what do you mean? what are you trying to do? |
| 03:35.22 | sandman | Also: Sometimes the terminal will disappear too |
| 03:35.48 | Firefishe | cheal...oh, sheesh. I need to edit my /etc/sources.list instead |
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| 03:36.19 | cheal | Firefishe: # apt-setup; ? |
| 03:36.39 | Firefishe | oh...bonk |
| 03:36.41 | gpfreitas | Hi, how do I schedule jobs with the "at" command as a regular user? I can only use it as root. |
| 03:36.50 | abdul4 | Finally! |
| 03:36.52 | abdul4 | It works! |
| 03:36.57 | Firefishe | I have debian on my laptop, and I forgot that sheesh ;) hee...thanks |
| 03:37.03 | cheal | sandman: I'm not sure about the terminal disappearing, but typically firefox crashes come from plugins/extensions |
| 03:37.03 | cheal | sandman: I'm not sure about the terminal disappearing, but typically firefox crashes come from plugins/extensions |
| 03:37.07 | Roxport | at least you have debian installed, i can't even get past that step |
| 03:37.18 | fjkadfooo | cheal, where can I find information on that? Does Debian like, screen the packages? Isn't that the developer's job, to make sure that it works everywhere? |
| 03:37.24 | abdul4 | I did a dkpg-reconfig and compltely removed the 800x600 option, and forced it into 1024x768. |
| 03:37.39 | sandman | Well, it's just odd that there is so much unstable software in sarge. |
| 03:37.40 | abdul4 | thank you everyone, I'm sure I'll be back again later when it comes time to play with the sound drivers. :) |
| 03:37.45 | sandman | And so much broken stuff. |
| 03:38.12 | sandman | But that's okay. |
| 03:38.15 | cheal | !tell fjkadfooo about why is in abiword not in testing |
| 03:38.18 | Firefishe | cheal: I'm in apt-setup..what's a fast server this time of night, any idea? |
| 03:38.28 | Firefishe | I'm in Missouri, incidentally |
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| 03:38.39 | cheal | Firefishe: no idea. |
| 03:38.48 | Firefishe | k..np... |
| 03:38.48 | Roxport | this EIP crap is boring. keep removing the NIC card and switching to anther PCI port. soon will wear out PCI ports. *sigh* |
| 03:38.51 | Firefishe | tx anyway :) |
| 03:39.02 | gpfreitas | Hi, could anyone help me allowing a regular user to use the "at" command? |
| 03:39.06 | Firefishe | Roxport: sounds like you need a new nic |
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| 03:39.21 | Guerin | gpfreitas: man sudo |
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| 03:39.34 | Roxport | it's brand new...i've tried without the nic, still get seg faults, kernel panic aieee etc |
| 03:39.53 | Roxport | sometimes at early install step, it all of the sudden can't see the cdrom drive anymore. |
| 03:40.11 | Roxport | i mean, i'm loading sarge, disc one on the dang cdrom to begin with |
| 03:40.35 | Guerin | Firefishe: apt-spy tells you chich servers are fastest |
| 03:40.46 | Roxport | it's almost like they force me to buy the disc, instead of using the one i downloaded |
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| 03:41.01 | Firefishe | thanks Guerin |
| 03:41.12 | gpfreitas | Guerin: I don't want to use "at" as root. I want to allow my regular user to use at. |
| 03:41.12 | gpfreitas | Guerin: I don't want to use "at" as root. I want to allow my regular user to use at. |
| 03:41.15 | Roxport | and then when i buy the disc, who's to say it's guaranteed gonna successfully load on my computer. |
| 03:41.15 | Roxport | and then when i buy the disc, who's to say it's guaranteed gonna successfully load on my computer. |
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| 03:41.40 | Roxport | (don't make me install red hat!) |
| 03:42.54 | cheal | Roxport: what are you talking about? who's they? |
| 03:43.18 | sandman | When my system completely locks up, what does this typically mean? |
| 03:43.20 | Roxport | debian site where you download latest stable release, as opposed to purchasing disc |
| 03:43.20 | Roxport | debian site where you download latest stable release, as opposed to purchasing disc |
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| 03:43.35 | sandman | It's happened with 3 of my machines so far. My laptop, my desktop, and my new Dell |
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| 03:43.53 | sandman | Running Debian Stable. Total lockup, and I can't see anything in syslog or messages or anything |
| 03:44.27 | cheal | sandman: kernel bug, overheating |
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| 03:44.53 | sandman | cheal: Well, teh heat on my laptop I could understand (~71C) |
| 03:44.54 | Firefishe | Roxport: I had a weird cdrom issue, myself an hour ago when I installed sarge 3.1. The first disk's name wouldn't come up due to a weird sector error, and the system prompted me to name it myself. Weird. 2nd disk worked fine. |
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| 03:45.09 | cheal | Roxport: you think the debian site is forcing you to buy the CDs? you should show me that |
| 03:45.13 | sandman | cheal: Well, looks like I'll need to break out the kernel debugger. |
| 03:45.13 | sandman | cheal: Well, looks like I'll need to break out the kernel debugger. |
| 03:45.51 | stumbles | what does the "d" in "init.d" stand for? |
| 03:45.54 | Roxport | no lol. i just mean with my luck... |
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| 03:46.20 | Roxport | i download the distro, and it doesn't work because maybe my download somehow corrupt, maybe bad disc(mine) etc. |
| 03:46.57 | Roxport | i wouldn't mind buying sarge, but if I do, what if it still won't load on my system? it's a P2 clone MB from ~1997 |
| 03:46.59 | cheal | Roxport: or because it doesn't work on your hardware |
| 03:47.16 | Roxport | kernel panic: attempting to kill init! (frozen) |
| 03:47.31 | cheal | Roxport: I wonder where you got the idea that buying sarge would change anything |
| 03:47.55 | cheal | if anything is likely to work better, it would be trying another release |
| 03:47.56 | Firefishe | I got my disks from linux format magazine... |
| 03:47.56 | Firefishe | I got my disks from linux format magazine... |
| 03:47.58 | Roxport | no, just an idea |
| 03:48.01 | gpfreitas | I am not on /etc/at.deny . Why can't I use "at"? |
| 03:48.12 | Roxport | that's why i'm not buying the dics yet. |
| 03:48.24 | Roxport | i probaly have h/w issues, but difficult to determine. |
| 03:48.57 | cheal | Roxport: ...and who blames you for that? maybe I missed how this started |
| 03:48.58 | Roxport | i'm getting inconsistent results when trying to install. i've tried businesscard, netinstall, and regular discs |
| 03:49.17 | Roxport | nobody, just in general, like "the man", "the system" etc... |
| 03:49.18 | Firefishe | Linux Humor Joke-of-the-Day #1067: What do you call the soft drink that let's you drink it on a certain defined schedule? A. cron.TAB |
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| 03:49.23 | zinx | Roxport: have you tried memtest86+? |
| 03:49.34 | Roxport | zinx: yes |
| 03:49.57 | Roxport | runs really slow... i think i need to try other mem modules that i have lying around. |
| 03:50.07 | Firefishe | not an auto script...me ;) |
| 03:50.12 | zinx | Roxport: there's a lot of memory to test, and a lot of ways to test it |
| 03:50.12 | zinx | Roxport: there's a lot of memory to test, and a lot of ways to test it |
| 03:50.14 | Roxport | that might be problem, but i wish install screen would say, "it appears your RAM is hosed." |
| 03:50.16 | Award | Odd ALSA/Xine problem. I'm running somewhat old versions of both (about a year old) but it's irrlelvant for this question. It's been working perfectly for a long time until about an hour ago. It was playing PCM data fine (oggs etc), I ran Xine and played a movie with DD passthrough like usual (worked), but after I left xine and tried to play another ogg (PCM data), my receiver never left DD mode and appears to get no PCM data |
| 03:50.16 | Award | . The PCM sounds are played through the headphones on my audigy2 drive just fine though. If I reboot to windows both DD and PCM work fine, but booting to linux yields a kick to DD mode as soon as alsa loads at boot. Any ideas? |
| 03:50.21 | zinx | Rexport: it will |
| 03:50.33 | zinx | Roxport: via lines at the bottom with a red background |
| 03:50.37 | Roxport | I mean the debian install process. |
| 03:50.44 | zinx | Roxport: uh, it can't determine that |
| 03:50.54 | zinx | Roxport: memtest86+ can't even say it's the ram |
| 03:50.55 | Roxport | yeah, i got some red lines on one of the modules (stupid me on ebay) |
| 03:51.05 | zinx | Roxport: well, that's your problem then |
| 03:51.05 | Roxport | oh |
| 03:51.19 | zinx | Roxport: "that" meaning either the CPU, the motherboard, or the RAM |
| 03:51.24 | Firefishe | Guerin: got apt-spy installed....can you give me the syntax for the US? |
| 03:51.24 | Firefishe | Guerin: got apt-spy installed....can you give me the syntax for the US? |
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| 03:51.39 | zinx | Roxport: if it wasn't many lines, and every pass/test gives the same lines, it's most likely the ram |
| 03:51.41 | Guerin | Firefishe: no ... i've never used it. RTFM. |
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| 03:51.51 | zinx | Roxport: in which case you need to replace it before attempting to run *ANYTHING* on it |
| 03:51.59 | Firefishe | Guerin: k..np..thanks again |
| 03:52.06 | Award | I assume something in Xine toggled some config option or mode that's causing it to not initialize PCM right, but I'm not sure where to look for it. |
| 03:52.09 | zinx | Roxport: if it's a lot of lines, it's more likely to be the CPU/motherboard |
| 03:52.15 | Roxport | that sounds about right. the problem is, i only have 30 mins free time here and there. i need a block of about 3 hours to really tackle this |
| 03:52.18 | zinx | Roxports: lines with different addresses that is |
| 03:52.34 | Roxport | i have another P2 processor I could swap, i have RAM i could sawp |
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| 03:52.45 | Roxport | even got another video card i could swap |
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| 03:53.11 | zinx | Roxport: well, what i said about checking for different addresses didn't help cut your work down any? |
| 03:53.11 | Roxport | what about BIOS setttings? possible they are culprit? |
| 03:53.11 | Roxport | what about BIOS setttings? possible they are culprit? |
| 03:53.16 | cheal | I already loved SourceForge, but being unable to read list archives is a new reason |
| 03:53.23 | zinx | Roxport: the RAM timings can be a problem on some chips |
| 03:53.23 | Roxport | with memtest, you mean? |
| 03:53.27 | Roxport | ah |
| 03:53.27 | Roxport | ah |
| 03:53.46 | Roxport | CL2, sync, 66mhz, etc. |
| 03:53.46 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:53.47 | cheal | I can't be alone being unable to read any list archive on sf.net, right? |
| 03:53.55 | ShorTie | what does "dpkg -i kernel...." do, decompress the kernel image of ....deb to /lib/modulas/xxxxxxx and instales it to grub |
| 03:54.01 | zinx | Roxport: some cheap chips with 1ns timings for some of the things tend to misreport one of the settings, i forget which |
| 03:54.01 | stew | i think that means i've sold out or something |
| 03:54.23 | zinx | Roxport: 66MHz.. how old is this? |
| 03:54.37 | zinx | Roxport: if that's the speed of the ram, it's not likely to be the timings, if they're set to auto |
| 03:54.59 | cheal | ShorTie: it installs the package's files and runs install scripts |
| 03:55.08 | zinx | Roxport: the problems mostly occur with new chips, now that manufacturers have found out that consumers are idiots and will buy crap that is mislabeled :) |
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| 03:55.26 | Roxport | it is couple years old Dell memory |
| 03:55.34 | Roxport | i mean more than a couple years... |
| 03:55.58 | cheal | stew: what does "sold out" mean? |
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| 03:56.20 | stew | cheal: it means i'm working for clients that think that .rar is a valid archive format i guess |
| 03:56.23 | Roxport | but not a dell mb or anything |
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| 03:57.43 | cheal | stew: yes, apparently. |
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| 03:58.09 | stew | cheal: i think these guys mostly do porn sites but lucked into some legit work they couldn't handle |
| 03:58.54 | sonnie | which channel should i join to ask question about debian/mipsel? |
| 03:58.56 | stew | cheal: oh the other "selling out" point is that they want it done in php |
| 03:59.03 | stew | that's probably the deal sealer |
| 03:59.47 | sonnie | hello guys... |
| 03:59.48 | stew | !mipsel |
| 03:59.49 | cheal | sonnie: none now that you're here, I guess |
| 03:59.58 | stew | #MIPSLinux i think |
| 04:00.17 | cheal | that won't be debian-specific though |
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| 04:00.50 | sonnie | thanks, cheal. I have read the mipsel web pages about the graphics cards supported. but i feel a bit confused |
| 04:01.05 | sonnie | "local console is available with the PMAG-BA and the PMAGB-B graphics options" |
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| 04:01.45 | sonnie | while my DECstation 5000/260 is not any of these two types. |
| 04:01.54 | cheal | stew: "sell out" means inconsistency or what? |
| 04:02.36 | sonnie | it is PMAG-E actually |
| 04:03.04 | Roxport | linx: |
| 04:03.19 | stew | cheal: oh, i guess sell out is a colloquialism for doing something just for the money even when it goes against ones beliefs |
| 04:03.55 | Roxport | can someone go thru some BIOS setting with me please? |
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| 04:04.18 | cheal | stew: ah that makes sense. |
| 04:04.43 | sonnie | so, DECstation graphic card PMAG-E is not supported on local console anyway at present, right? |
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| 04:06.22 | Dewi | cheal: yeah I hate that guy |
| 04:06.30 | Dewi | always have him on ignore |
| 04:06.38 | cheal | Dewi: hehe |
| 04:06.59 | cheal | sonnie: just in case you find the mips crowd here tiny ;) it may be better to try the list |
| 04:07.29 | stew | sonnie: the best you are probably going to get from us is "try it and see" |
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| 04:07.45 | stew | wait, is there a difference between mips and mipsel? |
| 04:07.58 | deepan | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:08.29 | cheal | stew: endianness? |
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| 04:08.57 | abdul4 | ok, time for the next round of fun: |
| 04:09.04 | tarheelcoxn | how do I install a cursor font packaged for KDE installation in gnome? |
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| 04:09.08 | stew | deepan: echo "1.5 * 3.6" | bc |
| 04:09.28 | tarheelcoxn | specifically, I want http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=6240&PHPSESSID=48b1f83b26c80fbe1b6e843247ae9b48 |
| 04:09.28 | tarheelcoxn | specifically, I want http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=6240&PHPSESSID=48b1f83b26c80fbe1b6e843247ae9b48 |
| 04:09.28 | deepan | will try stew |
| 04:09.49 | travers | the package page does not list the total # of debian packages, does anyone know? |
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| 04:09.55 | abdul4 | trying to get the sound drivers working on a new Debian install. The "GStreamer Preferences" says it's using "OSS - Open Sound System" and reports an error of "Failed to construct test pipeline for 'OSS - Open Sound System'". |
| 04:09.58 | stew | !dstats |
| 04:10.12 | abdul4 | I've looked up the hardware, and it's using a "AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)" |
| 04:10.18 | deepan | stew: .. i works.. |
| 04:10.20 | stew | travers, wait for it... |
| 04:10.20 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 17092 packages, 1596 maintainers, 33338 MB installed size, 10718 MB compressed size. |
| 04:10.20 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 17092 packages, 1596 maintainers, 33338 MB installed size, 10718 MB compressed size. |
| 04:10.22 | abdul4 | any idea which driver(s) I should be using and where to change it? |
| 04:10.23 | stew | ^^ |
| 04:10.43 | travers | thanks, stew |
| 04:10.51 | cheal | wah, > 17000 now |
| 04:10.57 | travers | that's pretty good |
| 04:11.13 | travers | most everyone else is around 13 |
| 04:11.17 | stew | travers: thats for unstable, for stable i think the number is in the 15k range |
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| 04:11.32 | stew | travers: its not really a metric i would put too much clout into |
| 04:11.37 | travers | stew hehe |
| 04:11.56 | travers | stew I'm not juding debian on the legenth of.... |
| 04:12.02 | stew | exactly |
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| 04:12.57 | stew | travers: you'll find that most everyone else has software that debian isn't willing to distribute, actually, becuaes of the dfsg |
| 04:13.00 | Award | Is there a way to dump the current alsa state? |
| 04:13.00 | ShorTie | so what does adding things to /etc/modules do, if you don't have to add them in for all the modules you pick in "make menuconfig" |
| 04:13.15 | Award | By dump I mean delete...get rid of current mixer settings |
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| 04:13.36 | travers | dfsg? I'm assuming we're talking about things that are not free, or free as in beer? |
| 04:13.41 | encompass | morning everyone |
| 04:14.09 | stew | travers: yeah, /msg dpkg dfsg |
| 04:14.13 | DarknessX | Award: I think you can alsactl restore |
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| 04:14.15 | DarknessX | or defaults |
| 04:14.18 | DarknessX | or something. |
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| 04:14.35 | mrwill | anybody know which package provides the file /etc/debian_chroot? |
| 04:14.54 | stew | Award: dunno, you might wanna look at man amixer, and/or man alsactl |
| 04:15.11 | Award | DarknessX: Actually I'm trying to get RID of what's there :) I deleted the .state, but I want to restart with a clean slate (I think the mixer settings may be corrupt.) |
| 04:15.36 | encompass | I am makeing a command in bash it is kinda like this cd $1/directory/ is that string put there the right way? |
| 04:15.56 | encompass | or does it need { and } around it? |
| 04:16.01 | DarknessX | Award: right. I didn't mean alsactl store/restore, I think you can totally reset them. Either way, you could always just remove and then reinstall the package |
| 04:16.04 | stew | encompass: say what? |
| 04:16.04 | stew | encompass: say what? |
| 04:16.25 | encompass | stew do you see the string $1 there? |
| 04:16.31 | stew | i do |
| 04:16.34 | Award | DarknessX: Yeah that's what I"m trying to figure out how to do....but I'm not sure where it generates any config for the card |
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| 04:16.42 | encompass | if I put it into a bash file like that is it correct? |
| 04:16.46 | Award | alsactl seems to only store/restore as far as I can tell |
| 04:16.46 | DarknessX | Award: the manpage should say |
| 04:17.02 | stew | encompass: in a .sh script $1 will refer to the first arguement passed to the script |
| 04:17.06 | DarknessX | can't you just go into alsaconf and set everything to 0 and then go from there? |
| 04:17.34 | Award | DarknessX: At least on my version store and restore are the only 2 commands for alsactl. If I move the .state out of the way and restore it says there is no state for the Audigy2....I'm wondering where it gets the default (initial) state from. |
| 04:17.43 | stew | encompass: so if you put that in a script named foo, and you ran "foo bar" it would do "cd bar/directory/" |
| 04:18.02 | encompass | yes |
| 04:18.08 | encompass | it will work? |
| 04:18.14 | Award | DarknessX: alsamixer you mean? That isn't helping if the state is corrupt. |
| 04:18.19 | encompass | or does it need those {} things |
| 04:18.24 | encompass | birds as they day |
| 04:18.33 | DarknessX | err, yeah, alsamixer. Hrm, can you just touch a .state file and see if that works? |
| 04:18.42 | DarknessX | (by touch, I mean create a blank) |
| 04:19.21 | stew | encompass: "cd ${1}/directory" would do the same thing, but the {} are not necessary in this case |
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| 04:19.35 | encompass | oh ok thank you very much |
| 04:19.46 | encompass | stew your awthome! |
| 04:19.47 | Award | DarknessX: Tried it, but restore simply comes up saying there is no state for the card. |
| 04:19.58 | Award | DarknessX: There must be something that generates the default state |
| 04:19.59 | stew | yes! |
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| 04:20.14 | DarknessX | Award: hrm, you're right. Perhaps you should check the package config |
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| 04:20.42 | dpower | im trying to set a static ip on my debian box, i use ifconfig which works fine but when i reboot it changes t o a diff ip |
| 04:20.53 | dpower | how do i force it at boot |
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| 04:21.02 | MrEntropy | yo |
| 04:21.07 | reuq | I want to move a bunch of files that satisfy a grep pattern, how do i do that? |
| 04:21.21 | stew | dpower: man interfaces ; /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 04:21.39 | dpower | ty |
| 04:21.49 | din | gn |
| 04:21.51 | reuq | something like: ls | grep "interface" | mv ???? |
| 04:21.56 | stew | reuq: ls | grep pattern | xargs --target-directory /dest |
| 04:22.00 | stew | no |
| 04:22.05 | stew | reuq: ls | grep pattern | xargs mv --target-directory /dest |
| 04:22.11 | MrEntropy | in order to recompile the debian kernel, do i need to somehow merge the kernel-headers package with the kernel-source? |
| 04:22.19 | reuq | stew: thank you |
| 04:22.30 | Award | DarknessX: Possibly. I can't recall the packagename. alsautils comes to mind |
| 04:22.36 | Award | DarknessX: Or is that only part of it? |
| 04:23.34 | stew | MrEntropy: no, the kenrel-headers are a result of compiling the kernel-source |
| 04:24.14 | Roxport | d'oh |
| 04:24.14 | stew | MrEntropy: the -headers are what you would need to compile modules for your specific build of the kernel without needing the actual sources that were used to compile the kernel |
| 04:24.33 | stew | MrEntropy: /msg dpkg kp |
| 04:24.37 | dpower | well that ws simple |
| 04:24.42 | dpower | thanks stew |
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| 04:25.14 | stew | dpower: you're welcome |
| 04:27.00 | starscalling | fuck off irc im out |
| 04:27.14 | stew | !fuck starscalling |
| 04:27.23 | starscalling | er |
| 04:27.26 | starscalling | sorry |
| 04:27.34 | starscalling | i keep forgetting that all chans all server thing |
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| 04:29.11 | Roxport | oh! |
| 04:29.21 | oklinux | can some one help me to change the screen resolution ? |
| 04:29.22 | Roxport | then shows his "O" face |
| 04:29.46 | oklinux | im running 800x600 I cant change to 1024x768 |
| 04:29.59 | stew | !drxx oklinux |
| 04:30.00 | dpkg | oklinux: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 04:30.19 | oklinux | my first debian installed |
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| 04:30.41 | victor | hi, a pakage for see tv for internet??? |
| 04:30.45 | victor | online |
| 04:30.50 | MayTheForceBeWit | isn't there anyone who know the channel about debian embedded tool chain |
| 04:30.50 | MayTheForceBeWit | isn't there anyone who know the channel about debian embedded tool chain |
| 04:30.56 | MayTheForceBeWit | and making kernel.... |
| 04:31.00 | MayTheForceBeWit | Image |
| 04:31.21 | meff | debian embedded tool chain? ... |
| 04:31.26 | MayTheForceBeWit | i succeded to making tool chain. |
| 04:31.30 | stew | MayTheForceBeWit: ask a specific question |
| 04:31.36 | MayTheForceBeWit | but.....kernel compile problem occured |
| 04:31.36 | MayTheForceBeWit | but.....kernel compile problem occured |
| 04:31.39 | MayTheForceBeWit | :) |
| 04:31.41 | stew | victor: mythtv? freevo? |
| 04:31.41 | stew | victor: mythtv? freevo? |
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| 04:32.07 | stew | victor: xawtv |
| 04:32.08 | MayTheForceBeWit | cc1: error: invalid option `short-load-bytes' |
| 04:32.12 | oklinux | I have nvidia video card do I select nv ? |
| 04:32.16 | MayTheForceBeWit | how can i fix it? |
| 04:32.17 | stew | oklinux: yes |
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| 04:32.43 | stew | MayTheForceBeWit: what version of debian are you running? |
| 04:33.03 | Danar | for some reason adobe reader doesn't list the folders in /mnt. anyone know why? |
| 04:33.14 | MayTheForceBeWit | Linux debian 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Mon May 16 16:47:51 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 04:33.28 | MayTheForceBeWit | sarge. |
| 04:33.46 | Dewi | Danar: check the perms on /mnt |
| 04:33.46 | Dewi | ? |
| 04:33.48 | MayTheForceBeWit | arm-linux-gcc -dumpspecs | grep xscale |
| 04:33.59 | Danar | Dewi, nothing else has problems seeing them |
| 04:34.02 | stew | MayTheForceBeWit: but you aren't using sarge's gcc? |
| 04:34.03 | MayTheForceBeWit | i found that i can compile the kernel cods for xscale |
| 04:34.09 | MayTheForceBeWit | yes |
| 04:34.09 | MayTheForceBeWit | yes |
| 04:34.14 | stew | MayTheForceBeWit: what version does "dpkg -l gcc" report? |
| 04:34.17 | MayTheForceBeWit | new compiler..for xscale |
| 04:34.20 | MayTheForceBeWit | yes |
| 04:34.38 | MayTheForceBeWit | 3.3.5-3 |
| 04:34.46 | MayTheForceBeWit | it's for my i386 |
| 04:35.01 | Danar | Dewi, the permissions are fine |
| 04:35.01 | oklinux | please enter the video card bus identify what do I need to put in |
| 04:35.15 | Dewi | Danar: maybe it just sucks. |
| 04:35.17 | Danar | the only thing it lists is ./ and ../ |
| 04:35.17 | Danar | the only thing it lists is ./ and ../ |
| 04:35.19 | Dewi | Danar: wait a minute, I KNOW it sucks |
| 04:35.27 | MayTheForceBeWit | http://www.mobilab.unina.it/Resources/crosscompilerHOWTO.html |
| 04:35.37 | Danar | Dewi, i've yet to find anything better |
| 04:35.37 | MayTheForceBeWit | this site helped me to making tool chains |
| 04:35.37 | MayTheForceBeWit | this site helped me to making tool chains |
| 04:35.40 | stew | MayTheForceBeWit: quick google search says "use -malignment-traps" |
| 04:35.44 | oklinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:35.50 | oklinux | what do I need to put in |
| 04:36.00 | stew | oklinux: unless you are on a mac or have 2 video cards, leave it blank |
| 04:36.00 | stew | oklinux: unless you are on a mac or have 2 video cards, leave it blank |
| 04:36.00 | MayTheForceBeWit | i just want chnnel..... |
| 04:36.08 | MayTheForceBeWit | kernel crazy boy's....:) |
| 04:36.20 | oklinux | Enter the amount of memory (in kB) to be used by your video card. |
| 04:36.26 | stew | oklinux: blank |
| 04:36.27 | oklinux | I have 32 megs |
| 04:36.44 | stew | !widhe |
| 04:36.44 | dpkg | When In Doubt, Hit Enter |
| 04:36.44 | dpkg | When In Doubt, Hit Enter |
| 04:36.50 | smacnay | has anyone lost aa fonts in fluxbox on the most recent Debian upgrade? |
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| 04:37.15 | Roxport | !debian |
| 04:37.15 | dpkg | from memory, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 04:37.29 | Roxport | !microsoft |
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| 04:37.53 | Danar | !windows |
| 04:37.53 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 04:37.53 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 04:38.42 | dpower | !windows |
| 04:38.42 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 04:38.42 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 04:38.43 | dpower | lol |
| 04:38.52 | Roxport | ;0 |
| 04:39.52 | abdul4 | where can I find the path to my kernel? |
| 04:39.52 | abdul4 | ;akjf |
| 04:39.52 | abdul4 | where can I find the path to my kernel? |
| 04:39.53 | abdul4 | ;akjf |
| 04:39.56 | abdul4 | there we go! |
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| 04:40.25 | keffynd | I just ran --> grep -R 'Your host is' /* |
| 04:40.29 | Roxport | where to find detail BIOS settings in order install Linux/debian |
| 04:40.35 | keffynd | left it for an hour and I think it locked up, is there a better way to find a file containing a text string? |
| 04:40.52 | meff | keffynd: locate |
| 04:41.06 | meff | oh containing.. hmm |
| 04:41.15 | meff | what are you looking for? |
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| 04:41.33 | keffynd | I am trying to find a conf file, it has that text in it somewhere |
| 04:41.41 | meff | conf file for? |
| 04:41.43 | SimonRaven | if you're doing a recursive grep, you don't need the * |
| 04:41.43 | keffynd | but I dont know what the conf file is |
| 04:41.43 | keffynd | but I dont know what the conf file is |
| 04:41.53 | keffynd | ircd-ircu |
| 04:41.59 | meff | hm |
| 04:42.04 | SimonRaven | keffynd: chances are it's in /var or /etc |
| 04:42.05 | SimonRaven | keffynd: chances are it's in /var or /etc |
| 04:42.05 | oklinux | stew I changed to 1024x768 is still does not work for some reson |
| 04:42.05 | meff | try grepping in /etc |
| 04:42.05 | oklinux | stew I changed to 1024x768 is still does not work for some reson |
| 04:42.05 | meff | try grepping in /etc |
| 04:42.28 | keffynd | SimonRaven I have looked at /etc/ircd/ircd.conf but that is not in it |
| 04:42.36 | meff | keffynd: doing /* even greps binaries, it'll take forever.. try in /etc |
| 04:42.39 | oklinux | do I have to reboot computer stew |
| 04:42.58 | oklinux | I log out and back in |
| 04:43.31 | meff | rgrep -i "Your host is" /etc |
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| 04:43.35 | keffynd | locate /* |grep 'Your host is' found nothing |
| 04:43.40 | keffynd | ok |
| 04:44.09 | SimonRaven | keffynd: you installed it from debian packages? |
| 04:44.17 | keffynd | SimonRaven yes with apt-get |
| 04:44.27 | meff | check in /usr/share/doc/<pkg> |
| 04:44.53 | SimonRaven | then cd / ; dpkg -L <package> | grep -n foo |
| 04:45.00 | keffynd | meff looked there, nothing |
| 04:45.03 | stew | he didn't need to reboot... |
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| 04:47.16 | keffynd | so noone here has used or setup ircd-ircu? |
| 04:47.37 | SimonRaven | no. did you try the suggestions? |
| 04:47.45 | keffynd | SimonRaven yes |
| 04:47.47 | victor | thank you for the date of tv |
| 04:47.48 | victor | thank you for the date of tv |
| 04:47.54 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 04:48.02 | keffynd | here is the example |
| 04:48.07 | meff | hmm for kicks run the grep on the binary file, keffynd |
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| 04:48.15 | keffynd | hmm |
| 04:48.16 | meff | it may not be configurable by that string |
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| 04:48.32 | SimonRaven | strings /path/to/binary | grep foo |
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| 04:48.46 | abdul4 | where can I find the kernel sources (as needed for a driver install)? |
| 04:48.59 | keffynd | root@PCR1000:/usr/sbin# grep 'Your host is' ircd-ircu |
| 04:48.59 | keffynd | Binary file ircd-ircu matches |
| 04:49.02 | SimonRaven | @tell abdul4 -about search |
| 04:49.02 | SimonRaven | @tell abdul4 -about search |
| 04:49.14 | meff | there you go, keffynd |
| 04:49.17 | meff | you can't modify it |
| 04:49.21 | keffynd | sucks... |
| 04:49.22 | meff | unless you rebuild it |
| 04:49.22 | meff | unless you rebuild it |
| 04:49.30 | stew | abdul4: you shouldn't need kernel sources to install a driver, just headers |
| 04:49.33 | stew | abdul4: what driver? |
| 04:49.48 | keffynd | I need an IRC server that I can configure so that when people join they go directly to 1 channel |
| 04:50.00 | keffynd | its for a volunteer organization |
| 04:50.00 | keffynd | its for a volunteer organization |
| 04:50.02 | meff | keffynd: pull the src and modify it yourself |
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| 04:50.08 | keffynd | meff yep |
| 04:50.15 | Kevin` | keffynd i'd almost write one for you in php |
| 04:50.15 | Kevin` | keffynd i'd almost write one for you in php |
| 04:50.30 | mfrisch | I am trying to get dhcp3-server to work with a new server name. It won't start cleanly because it is interpreting 423.hopto.org as trying to be an ip. What can I do to fix it? |
| 04:50.36 | meff | uhh an ircd in php? are you on crack |
| 04:50.36 | meff | uhh an ircd in php? are you on crack |
| 04:50.36 | keffynd | I was just going over to freshmeat to have a look :) |
| 04:50.53 | Kevin` | meff not at the moment |
| 04:51.01 | Kevin` | but I am serious |
| 04:51.09 | meff | ... |
| 04:51.18 | stew | yeah cuz php is great for writing daemons and for socket programming |
| 04:51.18 | spdf | That's crazy talk.. |
| 04:51.18 | spdf | That's crazy talk.. |
| 04:51.21 | keffynd | meff --> /server keffyn.servebbs.org |
| 04:51.24 | meff | lol |
| 04:51.29 | Kevin` | stew, yap :D |
| 04:51.38 | keffynd | tjoin that for a sec you will see what I mean, about the text I want to edit |
| 04:51.38 | litage | in /etc/resolv.conf, does it matter which order the 'domain' and 'search' options are in? |
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| 04:52.14 | meff | litage: i think it goes in descending order |
| 04:52.46 | Kevin` | what does "mail sent by smarthost" mean for the debian mailserver config (exim4) |
| 04:53.02 | meff | litage: but as far as the declarations themself, i think there is no order needed. |
| 04:53.02 | meff | litage: but as far as the declarations themself, i think there is no order needed. |
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| 04:53.16 | mfrisch | Kevin if you are going to use a relay host, like your ISP |
| 04:53.28 | Kevin` | mfrisch normal smtp though, right? |
| 04:53.45 | mfrisch | yup |
| 04:53.58 | Kevin` | ok, that looks good then |
| 04:54.15 | Asmodee` | i read a few howtos for courier + ssl, but they seem like they're missing something.. they essentially go through how to generate the SSL keys and then say do apt-get install courier-ssl courier-imap-ssl courier-pop-ssl and then restart the daemons, but it doesnt work. when i try to check my mail using outlook using SSL the server says 'unknown command'. any ideas? |
| 04:54.18 | Kevin` | (oh well about isp intercepting all outgoing mail) |
| 04:54.29 | Asmodee` | err actually it says 'invalid command' |
| 04:54.34 | abdul4 | stew: it's the alsa driver - I'm trying to get my sound car working. |
| 04:54.56 | stew | abdul4: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 04:54.56 | stew | abdul4: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 04:54.56 | mfrisch | Kevin mine blocks |
| 04:55.03 | litage | meff: which should be first then? |
| 04:55.07 | Kevin` | blocks? |
| 04:55.27 | meff | litage: like i said, as far as the declarations i am pretty sure it doesnt matter |
| 04:55.33 | meff | litage: like i said, as far as the declarations i am pretty sure it doesnt matter |
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| 04:56.10 | abdul4 | 2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 04:56.42 | stew | abdul4: apt-get install alsa-modules-2.4.17-2-386 |
| 04:56.56 | mfrisch | Kevin` if I relay mail through my ISP it won't go through and I get an error in my logs from my ISP on how they block the port. |
| 04:56.56 | mfrisch | Kevin` if I relay mail through my ISP it won't go through and I get an error in my logs from my ISP on how they block the port. |
| 04:57.03 | litage | meff: yes, but since the machine uses them in descending order, it's probably better to have one before the other so that it is use primarily |
| 04:57.08 | keffynd | meff removing that one |
| 04:57.12 | stew | abdul4: err 27 not 17 |
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| 04:57.13 | keffynd | installing ircd-hybrid |
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| 04:57.13 | keffynd | installing ircd-hybrid |
| 04:57.23 | Kevin` | mfrisch how do you send mail then? |
| 04:57.24 | gudi | hi |
| 04:57.34 | abdul4 | "E: couldn't find package alsa-modules-2.4.17-2-386" |
| 04:57.41 | Kevin` | seems that if they have an smtp server, it should work |
| 04:57.41 | Kevin` | seems that if they have an smtp server, it should work |
| 04:57.43 | gudi | i installed vserver on debian sarge. how can i start a init in each vserver ? |
| 04:57.55 | spdf | abdul4, change the 17 to 27.. typo'd.. |
| 04:58.00 | fbi | abdul4: you need to install alsa-modules for that kernel, or install a 2.6 kernel that has them built in |
| 04:58.01 | stew | abdul4: alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 04:58.02 | stew | abdul4: alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 04:58.22 | stew | abdul4: then /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 04:58.23 | abdul4 | that's working on it now. |
| 04:58.29 | fbi | holy crap that lag was crazy |
| 04:58.35 | mfrisch | Kevin` only works with client connections, have tried feeding my pass and no go, you can use another port. |
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| 04:59.45 | Roxport | hm |
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| 05:02.24 | abdul4 | stew: anything after performing what dpkg told me to do? |
| 05:02.30 | abdul4 | (and going through the guide) |
| 05:02.45 | ShorTie | in a .sh how do you add a carrage return to the end of a printf line so the next printf is on the next line down? |
| 05:02.53 | stew | abdul4: start alsamixer, unmute the volume and enjoy? |
| 05:03.01 | abdul4 | :) |
| 05:03.02 | abdul4 | :) |
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| 05:03.18 | shocker | how can i install mencoder? |
| 05:03.25 | stew | shocker: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 05:03.25 | stew | shocker: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 05:04.13 | Roxport | ||n| |
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| 05:06.52 | Jacky | Which linux is best for developer? |
| 05:06.59 | sanxiyn | Jacky: Debian? :-) |
| 05:07.06 | Kevin` | debian |
| 05:07.11 | Kevin` | ;o |
| 05:07.21 | Jacky | How about freebsd? |
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| 05:07.30 | sanxiyn | Jacky: It's not Linux? |
| 05:07.37 | shocker | its not linux |
| 05:07.38 | sanxiyn | Jacky: You asked about "which Linux" |
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| 05:08.03 | sanxiyn | Jacky: Also, you need an environment same as your deployment platform. |
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| 05:08.18 | sanxiyn | If program is going to run on Red Hat (for whatever reason), have Red Hat to test the thing. |
| 05:08.20 | SimonRaven | linux is a kernel |
| 05:08.20 | SimonRaven | linux is a kernel |
| 05:08.26 | Jacky | I want use linux to be my desktop |
| 05:08.45 | Roxport | use whatever linux will install on your computer. good luck. |
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| 05:08.51 | sanxiyn | Jacky: Debian is again a good choice. |
| 05:08.51 | sanxiyn | Jacky: Debian is again a good choice. |
| 05:09.30 | Jacky | I never use Debian before. I learn redhat and freebsd for a long time |
| 05:10.18 | Jacky | Give up Redhat and turn to Debian, is a good idea? |
| 05:10.25 | abdul4 | stew! The alsamixer works, I can adjust volume (and with headphones on I can hear the hum going up and down), but when I try to actually play something, it comes up with the error, "OSS device '/dev/dsp' is already in use by another program" - and that error is copied ontop of itself serveral times. |
| 05:10.26 | abdul4 | Now What? |
| 05:10.26 | abdul4 | Now What? |
| 05:10.27 | sanxiyn | Jacky: Well, it's not *that* different. You sure need to learn new things for some time though. |
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| 05:10.34 | sanxiyn | Jacky: Good idea, I'd say. |
| 05:10.55 | sanxiyn | Jacky: Especially if you still use Red Hat 9, for example. |
| 05:10.59 | spdf | abdul4, What are you using to play the 'something'? |
| 05:10.59 | spdf | abdul4, What are you using to play the 'something'? |
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| 05:11.11 | StanTheMan | sigh....I just downgraded my SBC adsl from static IP to dynamic IP, and now am having mail sending problems. I killed my DNS servers, signed up for TZO DDNS, setup MX PTR and SPF records. I can send to most domains directly, but big ISPs such as AOL and Earthlink block delivery because I'm sending from a dynamic IP, regardless of having a valid MX record. SBC has ZERO normal SMTP relay servers anymore. |
| 05:11.17 | cheal | Jacky: well, this is #debian. if people here don't advocate using Debian, you'd have to worry |
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| 05:11.40 | abdul4 | Debian's built-in "Music Player" |
| 05:11.52 | abdul4 | although I've tried another player, and it says it simply "can't do it." |
| 05:12.06 | Jacky | O, I'll install Debian, and try it. |
| 05:12.08 | meff | StanTheMan: i've been using smtp.sbc.mail.yahoo4.akadns.net as a relay w/ postfix for a few months now.. |
| 05:12.08 | meff | StanTheMan: i've been using smtp.sbc.mail.yahoo4.akadns.net as a relay w/ postfix for a few months now.. |
| 05:12.14 | sanxiyn | abdul4: What? There's no such thing as Debian's built-in Music Player. |
| 05:12.38 | Jacky | mp321 |
| 05:12.41 | sanxiyn | abdul4: Are you referring to stupid GNOME menu naming scheme |
| 05:12.42 | abdul4 | sorry, it's a part of gnome, it's available in the "desktop" configuration of debian. |
| 05:12.54 | sanxiyn | Ah, rhythmbox. |
| 05:13.04 | abdul4 | of f*ck me. |
| 05:13.07 | Jacky | About VM, I like blackbox |
| 05:13.12 | abdul4 | it can make noise just fine. |
| 05:13.12 | abdul4 | it can make noise just fine. |
| 05:13.16 | StanTheMan | Level 2 SBC support tells me the only servers I can do SMTP relay through require authentication, as in POP or IMAP auth. Is there a script or setup I can use for qmail, postfix, sendmail, etc to do auth with the SBC/Yahoo relay servers to get past the "550 Dynamic IP detected, connection refused" carp of the big isps? |
| 05:13.22 | meff | StanTheMan: but yeah if you use a dyn ip big isp's will block you.. they blacklist dynamic ranges |
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| 05:13.39 | abdul4 | I had the "system" sounds turned on - those were screwing with other playback. |
| 05:13.44 | deadcat | whats open system and shared key? what do they mean? |
| 05:13.45 | meff | StanTheMan: uhm.. its easy with postfix, really |
| 05:14.34 | meff | StanTheMan: sign up for one of your 5 yahoo accnts some random name, i use 'spherenet' .. setup that id on postfix and add what i just said as a relay.. if you search on broadbandreports.com there is a few howto's to get mail to relay thru sbc. |
| 05:15.10 | StanTheMan | meff: So with postfix, I can send through those goofy SBC/Yahoo relays that require the PPPoE auth? |
| 05:15.20 | meff | StanTheMan: correct! |
| 05:15.24 | meff | StanTheMan: doing it right now. |
| 05:15.43 | meff | StanTheMan: http://www.dslreports.com/faq/6456 :D |
| 05:15.48 | meff | StanTheMan: check that out.. |
| 05:15.48 | meff | StanTheMan: check that out.. |
| 05:15.49 | StanTheMan | meff: will that get me around the "big isp dynamic sender" issue? |
| 05:15.52 | freenik | what your local time? |
| 05:15.52 | StanTheMan | am |
| 05:15.52 | StanTheMan | am |
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| 05:15.57 | freenik | 's |
| 05:16.04 | meff | StanTheMan: yes! cause you're relaying thru sbc's bigass smtp servers ;) |
| 05:16.13 | shocker | how can i catch the output from a command eg ps -aux into a file |
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| 05:16.39 | deadcat | xfan: porn.com |
| 05:16.41 | servus | You mean girly Linux guys? |
| 05:16.48 | msn | lol |
| 05:16.49 | sanxiyn | xfan: OS tan? |
| 05:16.59 | StanTheMan | meff: If you were here, I'd give you a huge bear hug!!!! You rock. You have any idea how much time I've burned, googling and talking to level 2 support trying to do this?!??!!? |
| 05:17.08 | nav5 | my firefox has problems with flash buttons? does anybody else have that problem? |
| 05:17.11 | xfan | ok.... porn.com |
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| 05:17.41 | meff | StanTheMan: hehe took me awhile to find it also.. good luck, i have to sleep soon so won't be around.. if you have problems you can always fire off an email meff@pobox.com |
| 05:17.47 | meff | StanTheMan: i went thru your same pains :/ |
| 05:17.47 | meff | StanTheMan: i went thru your same pains :/ |
| 05:17.57 | StanTheMan | meff: one quick question |
| 05:17.58 | sanxiyn | xfan: Have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_OS-tans |
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| 05:18.04 | StanTheMan | meff: before you hit the pillow |
| 05:18.08 | meff | StanTheMan: shoot |
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| 05:18.13 | sanxiyn | xfan: It has some girls as personification of operating systems. |
| 05:18.20 | sanxiyn | Wikipedia is sick. |
| 05:18.21 | xfan | sanxiyn : lets see |
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| 05:18.58 | StanTheMan | meff: I'm running Exchange 5.5 on NT4, and want to use postfix as a mailhub, forward all outbound from Exch to postfix, and the have postfix relay through the SBC/Yahoo mess. Can I do that? |
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| 05:19.31 | meff | StanTheMan: if you can fw all mail to postfix, postfix will handle the relaying yes.. |
| 05:19.32 | ssm | StanTheMan: should not require too much configuration |
| 05:19.33 | StanTheMan | meff: or will trying to do both cause problems? |
| 05:19.33 | StanTheMan | meff: or will trying to do both cause problems? |
| 05:19.47 | xfan | sanxiyn : thats a great site ! |
| 05:20.00 | meff | StanTheMan: as i said though dont use your main @yahoo sbc addy.. sign up for one of your free 5, and use a junker for the id/l/p on the postfix relay :) |
| 05:20.30 | ssm | StanTheMan: It's a common scenario, many people use a second mailserver in front of msexchange, in order to get antispam and antivirus |
| 05:20.40 | StanTheMan | meff: can you elaborate on the "why" of the 2nd "bs" account? |
| 05:20.40 | StanTheMan | meff: can you elaborate on the "why" of the 2nd "bs" account? |
| 05:20.47 | UdontKnow | ssm: m sexchange? |
| 05:20.48 | UdontKnow | heh |
| 05:21.02 | StanTheMan | ssm: exactly what I'm wanting to do. You rock also! ;) |
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| 05:21.26 | meff | StanTheMan: because everything relayed thru postfix to the sbc smtp server will have that accnt name in the email headers.. you dont want your main addy in the mail headers of relayed mail :x |
| 05:21.27 | ssm | StanTheMan: :D |
| 05:21.44 | StanTheMan | ahhhhh |
| 05:22.09 | StanTheMan | meff, ssm: due to anti-spam filters elsewhere ? |
| 05:22.26 | Garda | is there a free virtual machine for linux. qemu is too slow cos it's an emulator |
| 05:22.38 | StanTheMan | hehe |
| 05:22.38 | StanTheMan | hehe |
| 05:22.41 | StanTheMan | sry |
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| 05:23.20 | meff | StanTheMan: good luck and im off to sleep.. read that url i tossed you.. laters |
| 05:23.23 | ssm | Garda: look at uml, xen, or linux-vserver |
| 05:23.42 | StanTheMan | meff: k, thx for the massive boost to my eventual fix |
| 05:23.52 | ssm | StanTheMan: good luck. :) |
| 05:24.29 | xfan | ho know a linux/debian movie ? |
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| 05:25.03 | StanTheMan | ssm: thx. Can you just explain the 2nd account thing really quick. I deal directly with full headers so little that I'm not comprehending the need for the 2nd account thing... |
| 05:25.12 | sanxiyn | Garda: qemu can be used as virtualizer too |
| 05:25.13 | StanTheMan | ssm: sry im just dense tonight I guess... |
| 05:25.18 | sanxiyn | Garda: You don't need to use it as an emulator. |
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| 05:27.51 | ssm | StanTheMan: Don't know what you mean by "2nd account thing". Do you have your own domain, with an MX record set to your MS Exchange server? |
| 05:27.51 | ssm | StanTheMan: Don't know what you mean by "2nd account thing". Do you have your own domain, with an MX record set to your MS Exchange server? |
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| 05:28.48 | Garda | sanxiyn: so what do i have to do to use it as a vm. will it be basically the same as when using it as an emulator but just faster |
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| 05:29.43 | sanxiyn | Garda: Of course, in user mode emulation, it should be Linux binary. |
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| 05:30.06 | sanxiyn | Garda: qemu-{cpu name} |
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| 05:30.15 | sanxiyn | Garda: As others said, have a look at linux-vserver and xen. |
| 05:31.08 | StanTheMan | ssm: yes, domain= hardwarefreak.com DDNS servers at TZO.COM, with MX record pointing to "hardwarefreak.com" which points to my constantly changing IP |
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| 05:31.55 | Garda | i've had a look at xen, but i think that you need a modified kernel |
| 05:32.09 | Garda | will check out linux-vserver |
| 05:32.14 | StanTheMan | ssm: my current SPF string is this, kept somewhere at TZO: v=spf1 a mx ptr a:ramius a:mail ?all |
| 05:32.19 | cipo | !2.6 sound |
| 05:32.19 | cipo | !2.6 sound |
| 05:32.28 | beardy | !alsa 2.6 |
| 05:32.28 | dpkg | On Sarge with a 2.6 kernel, to use ALSA, apt-get install alsa-utils discover1. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
| 05:32.33 | cipo | oh ty |
| 05:32.35 | beardy | is probably what you want |
| 05:32.35 | beardy | is probably what you want |
| 05:32.40 | cipo | :) |
| 05:32.44 | sanxiyn | Garda: Yes Xen needs a modified Kernel. |
| 05:32.49 | sanxiyn | Garda: Is that a problem? |
| 05:32.56 | StanTheMan | ssm: ramius is the hostname of the exch server |
| 05:32.56 | StanTheMan | ssm: ramius is the hostname of the exch server |
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| 05:33.04 | sanxiyn | (Also, Xen support will be soon in mainline Kernel.) |
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| 05:34.12 | StanTheMan | ssm: meff was saying I should create a 2nd SBC/Yahoo email address, and use this 2nd email address (and I assume my PPPoE password) for the Postfix auth to the SBC/Yahoo relay server |
| 05:34.34 | hcy | hi, i need to change to a new harddrive because my current one is failing. I have a large empty harddrive on another computer which i mounted on this system with nfs. then I did "dd if=/dev/hda of=/mnt/backup/oldhd.img bs=1M". Now I'm going to switch to the new harddrive, boot knoppix from a cd, and reverse the 'dd' command. Just making sure I'm going about this the correct way. Please confirm |
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| 05:36.24 | Garda | sanxiyn: mabey, if i want to use any os, i have to make a modified install cd |
| 05:36.40 | ssm | StanTheMan: Will this address be required in the mail headers as well? I'm not familiar with either SBC or Yahoo |
| 05:36.55 | ssm | StanTheMan: ...or can you use whatever From: address you like? |
| 05:37.56 | hcy | can someone confirm please? |
| 05:38.17 | StanTheMan | ssm: hmmm.. The way I understand it is that the auth to the relay servers requires the username and pwd of the PPPoE acct, but after that auth, it will relay mail that has a non-sbc/yahoo domain name in the header |
| 05:38.18 | ssm | StanTheMan: Do you have problems sending mail out direcly from your mail server, since you want to relay via SBC or Yahoo? |
| 05:39.12 | StanTheMan | ssm: yes, that's the only reason for this. I can send directly to any domain SMTP servers, with the exception of the big isps, specifically Earthlink and AOL, probably others |
| 05:40.19 | cipo | thanks again, beardy |
| 05:40.26 | ssm | StanTheMan: then you can say that "for these domains, send via smarthost. For the rest, send directly" |
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| 05:40.43 | StanTheMan | ssm: everything was working fine after my switch from a static IP acct ($75/month) to a dynamic acct ($15/month). All my email from my Exch server with my domain name was sending out fine. Then I sent an email to my Dad at earthlink, and they rejected it based on "dynamic IP" |
| 05:40.54 | StanTheMan | ahhhh |
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| 05:41.11 | StanTheMan | ssm: in my postfix setup you mean |
| 05:41.20 | ssm | StanTheMan: Yes, that's normal. Many ISP's reject mail directly from dialup pools. |
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| 05:41.31 | StanTheMan | ssm: got it |
| 05:42.05 | brothers | my dvd-rw drive isn't showing up in /dev |
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| 05:42.31 | StanTheMan | ssm: before I set it up, I was just wondering about what meff said. Which was to create a 2nd SBC/Yahoo email address, the use that one for the authentication to their relays. At least I think that's what he was saying. He didn't elaborate before leaving. |
| 05:42.37 | Garda | why can't i connect to irc.efnet.net is there something special about that particular address |
| 05:42.42 | deadcat | whats the font on the bottom right corner? 833 |
| 05:42.44 | deadcat | oops |
| 05:42.54 | deadcat | http://bdiddy.rty.ca/?q=node/222&size=_original |
| 05:43.23 | ssm | StanTheMan: all you need is an ISP mail server to relay some, or all, your mail via. If this mail server requires a password, you should have gotten this password with your dialup account. |
| 05:43.58 | beoba | deadcat: yay shiny objects |
| 05:44.05 | deadcat | beoba: ? |
| 05:44.11 | deadcat | beoba: the clock |
| 05:44.12 | beoba | relaxed:image |
| 05:44.30 | beoba | oh i hadn't scrolled in that direction |
| 05:44.34 | StanTheMan | ssm: oh, I think you missed alot of my text earlier. I'm PPPoE on ADSL, not dial up |
| 05:44.53 | ssm | StanTheMan: same thing, seen from the ISP. |
| 05:44.58 | StanTheMan | ssm: errr, I guess some ppl consider PPPoE "dial up" |
| 05:44.59 | ssm | It's a PPP session |
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| 05:45.20 | ssm | StanTheMan: PPPoE = Porn Porn Porn over Ethernet. :P |
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| 05:46.25 | sanxiyn | ssb: No, pr0n. |
| 05:46.30 | sanxiyn | Eh, to ssm. |
| 05:46.39 | StanTheMan | ssm: so, all I really want to do is auth to the SBC/Yahoo relay servers to send to "big isps who block dynamic IP MTA senders". To do this, I have to relay through SBC/Yahoo relays that require this AUTH. Otherwise, I'm already currently sending directly via TCP 25 to most domains. |
| 05:46.39 | StanTheMan | ssm: so, all I really want to do is auth to the SBC/Yahoo relay servers to send to "big isps who block dynamic IP MTA senders". To do this, I have to relay through SBC/Yahoo relays that require this AUTH. Otherwise, I'm already currently sending directly via TCP 25 to most domains. |
| 05:46.39 | ssm | StanTheMan: from your view, you enter username and password on a pppoe router, instead of in a ppp session through a modem, or an isdn connection. It's not "dialup" seen from the rest of the world, that's right. From the Internet Service Provider, it's a PPP session, over some unspecified hardware and connection. |
| 05:46.54 | wobbler | brothers: check in /media |
| 05:47.00 | ssm | sanxiyn: of course. :D |
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| 05:47.26 | ssm | StanTheMan: yes |
| 05:47.41 | Garda | has anyone here been able to get the new ati drivers to work on debian. the ones with the graphical install |
| 05:47.41 | Garda | has anyone here been able to get the new ati drivers to work on debian. the ones with the graphical install |
| 05:47.42 | StanTheMan | ssm: roger that. I'm using an SMC Barricade rackmount 7008ABR with PPPoE support, and belive it or not, TZO DDNS support in the firmware (the reason I chose them for my DDNS provider) |
| 05:47.43 | ssm | StanTheMan: to do this, you could use the "transports" file in Postfix |
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| 05:48.05 | Garda | i tried twice, first time the install did nothing, second time i couldn't start X |
| 05:48.18 | ssm | StanTheMan: yes, several broadband routers now have DDNS clients, that's very nice. :D |
| 05:49.33 | StanTheMan | ssm: It was only $75 USD from Newegg. The only other "consumer" broadband rackmount router I could find was a Cisco/Linksys 16 port job with dual wan ports for $279 USD. All I really wanted was god ears for my rack ;) |
| 05:50.01 | ssm | StanTheMan: home rackmount? :D |
| 05:50.01 | ssm | StanTheMan: home rackmount? :D |
| 05:50.06 | StanTheMan | ssm: ROFL, I meant DOG ears, not GOD ears hehe |
| 05:50.24 | StanTheMan | ssm: yeah, I'm an ultra geek |
| 05:51.13 | StanTheMan | ssm: it's an old DEC VAX disk cabinet. It's actually about half rack size 4ft tall, but is standard EIA/TIA 19" width |
| 05:51.47 | ssm | StanTheMan: a good home rack, then. Fullsize takes up a lot of room |
| 05:52.10 | StanTheMan | ssm: got an old 4-way PPro Compaq PL 5000RM off ebay in it, along with my router, a hub, and an APC 1000RM |
| 05:52.43 | ssm | StanTheMan: No need for extra heating, then. :P |
| 05:53.03 | StanTheMan | ssm: yeah, my buddy has two full height racks, but they're single rail, not full depth. Everything he has is on shelves, except his hubs and stuff which have ears |
| 05:53.15 | StanTheMan | ssm: :P |
| 05:53.59 | StanTheMan | ssm: I will def get a bit toasty in here later this fall and thru winter... I'll crack the winders and close the HVAC output vent in this room |
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| 05:54.45 | litage | what sequence # should the bootlogd init script have? 1? 9? |
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| 05:54.57 | Alpha1 | hi |
| 05:55.09 | ssm | StanTheMan: And someone could say "hey, nice rack", and noone will take offense. :D |
| 05:55.10 | StanTheMan | ssm: anything special I need to do when I install postfix on my woody box? exim is on there by default. It's headless only (obviously), stripped down install |
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| 05:55.17 | jm_ | litage: check its postinst script |
| 05:55.26 | StanTheMan | ssm: ROFL! |
| 05:55.29 | ssm | StanTheMan: everything should be, yes. |
| 05:55.29 | ssm | StanTheMan: everything should be, yes. |
| 05:55.30 | litage | jm_: its postinst script? where/what is that? |
| 05:55.38 | Alpha1 | My box is failing to connect to security.debian.org (I just installed sarge off a dvd) - It probably needs to know about my university's proxy, but how? |
| 05:55.44 | ssm | StanTheMan: you might want to consider moving to sarge at some point |
| 05:55.45 | Alpha1 | I've edited the wgetrc but that didn't help. |
| 05:56.10 | jm_ | litage: /var/lib/dpkg/info/initscripts.postinst |
| 05:56.24 | ssm | StanTheMan: exim should also be able to do that, but I don't know exim too well. Exim is an MTA made for programmers, Postfix is made for Sysadmins. :D |
| 05:56.28 | StanTheMan | ssm: besides the 2.6 kernel, what's the main diff between woody and sarge, for a stripped down server that is? |
| 05:56.56 | StanTheMan | ssm: yeah, I'm def more in the sysadmin category than the programmer cat |
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| 05:57.32 | litage | thanks jm_ |
| 05:57.46 | StanTheMan | ssm: dangit...don't have my webserver plugged in yet. Got too tied up in getting mail running... I've got a (poor) photo of the rack |
| 05:57.46 | ssm | StanTheMan: sarge have newer software. that, and the 2.6 kernel, give me a nice playground for Storage and Service failover between servers. |
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| 07:37.58 | cipo | i've download the fglrx-.rpm, do i have to alien fglrx-.rpm first? or just rpm -ivh? |
| 07:38.03 | bucky | hi apt |
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| 07:38.13 | jm_ | t2: agreed |
| 07:39.07 | dli | cipo alien it and dpkg -i the deb, if you can get the source, compiling in debian is better |
| 07:39.45 | cipo | i c |
| 07:39.58 | jm_ | cipo: there's a howto for this |
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| 07:40.12 | t2 | jm_ : I keep thinking SSH simply doesn't 'understand' my intention to authenticate using SSH key; why isn't it asking me for a passphrase, and how is it supposed to know which key to use (from the comment?!) ? |
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| 07:40.19 | jm_ | !tell cipo -about flavio |
| 07:40.40 | VapourBoy | hey guys, how can I receive messages as a normal user on xconsole? |
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| 07:40.56 | jm_ | t2: I think it's probably rusing a wrong key, tried specifying it with -i? I really have no idea about using cf.sf.net, never tried it |
| 07:41.00 | VapourBoy | should I add that user to group tty? |
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| 07:53.10 | Mega0uaich | Salut tout le monde :) |
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| 07:56.49 | m0nt0 | hi |
| 07:57.10 | m0nt0 | i need some help, very simple question: i'm using a debian stable with postfix, courier imap and courier pop, normal authetication, i can send the email, i want that every mail sended to something like user@mydomain can be received from this user and not to send mail to user@mail.mydomain, how can i do that? |
| 07:57.20 | m0nt0 | can you help me please? |
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| 07:59.23 | pepsi | hi |
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| 08:00.31 | widrone | m0nt0: Im no mail expert but do I understand you always pretend mail. to the sender domain. |
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| 08:02.34 | w3rdn4 | where do I find my external usb HDD? |
| 08:02.40 | w3rdn4 | I tried /dev/sda1 and it is not there |
| 08:02.45 | w3rdn4 | which is odd because that used to work |
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| 08:03.39 | widrone | w3rdn4: New kernel? Sounds module related. What does dmesg say * #flood please |
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| 08:03.57 | m0nt0 | widrone, yes, i have to manage tha domain mail server |
| 08:05.33 | Dewi | widrone: pasting your whole dmesg would probably get you kicked even from #flood :) |
| 08:06.14 | w3rdn4 | oh jeez |
| 08:06.24 | widrone | m0nt0: I may be mistaken, but this sounds like some rewrite on outgoing mail. Its outside my know. Try talking to dpkg |
| 08:06.56 | m0nt0 | ok, thank you |
| 08:07.07 | widrone | Dewi: Relevant parts, relevant parts! =) If I have to say that then Ill just go away. |
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| 08:07.34 | widrone | w3rdn4: And look for where usb stuff loads and disks detect. Try out lsusb etc. |
| 08:08.28 | w3rdn4 | cmmand not found |
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| 08:09.10 | widrone | w3rdn4: SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices , is something. Modules. And apt-cache search usbtools . |
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| 08:09.43 | widrone | w3rdn4: Take a look at what modules you have loaded with lsmod too one youre at it. |
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| 08:10.57 | widrone | w3rdn4: I have 3 ext USB disks running from a nslu 2 you see. Now can you get my CDRW to work with cdrecord I all happy. |
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| 08:12.11 | w3rdn4 | http://rafb.net/paste/results/XTj6lI10.html |
| 08:12.14 | w3rdn4 | that is what dmesg says |
| 08:12.16 | widrone | m0nt0: You may look into the doc on reconfiguring your mta. |
| 08:12.29 | reter | what is a good application to burn cds and dvds on debian? |
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| 08:12.55 | w3rdn4 | k3b |
| 08:12.58 | w3rdn4 | reter, k3b |
| 08:13.37 | Matteo81 | I have a problem |
| 08:13.47 | Matteo81 | does someone help me |
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| 08:13.51 | w3rdn4 | http://rafb.net/paste/results/Ofnrri74.html |
| 08:13.53 | widrone | You have a problem, w3rdn4. |
| 08:13.55 | w3rdn4 | what lsmod says |
| 08:13.59 | w3rdn4 | :( |
| 08:14.04 | w3rdn4 | what do you think it might be? |
| 08:14.14 | Matteo81 | i don't no |
| 08:14.21 | jm_ | look in /proc/partitions |
| 08:14.26 | Matteo81 | when I start gnome |
| 08:14.33 | widrone | w3rdn4: What kernel is this again? uname -a |
| 08:14.36 | Matteo81 | i see next message |
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| 08:14.54 | jm_ | and I don't see you having usb-storage module loaded |
| 08:14.56 | cipo | ty jm_, be back later |
| 08:14.58 | Matteo81 | there is one panel open you can't open another |
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| 08:15.15 | Matteo81 | qhat I have to do? |
| 08:15.23 | w3rdn4 | Linux demudi 2.6.12-3-multimedia-k7 #1 Thu Jun 23 12:52:11 CEST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 08:15.49 | widrone | w3rdn4: You need the usb-storage modules |
| 08:16.04 | w3rdn4 | well it worked before hand |
| 08:16.11 | w3rdn4 | i wonder why it just stopped working |
| 08:16.25 | Matteo81 | widrone, could I tell you a question? |
| 08:16.49 | widrone | Matteo81: Tell away, if its to do with gnome better not. |
| 08:16.53 | SlayerXP | yesterday I spent two hours tracking down a problem with kdm not allowing normal users to log in. turned out /tmp was mysteriously not world writeable :( |
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| 08:18.28 | reter | is k3b in gnome? |
| 08:18.33 | reter | i need something in gnome |
| 08:18.58 | gudi | k3b is kde |
| 08:19.10 | Matteo81 | i use k3b also in gnome |
| 08:19.13 | gudi | you can use it in gnome |
| 08:19.19 | gudi | but its not in gnome |
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| 08:19.26 | w3rdn4 | true |
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| 08:19.29 | w3rdn4 | time to reboot |
| 08:19.37 | jhaig | Nothing to stop you using KDE programs in Gnome, or visa-versa. |
| 08:19.39 | w3rdn4 | and see if that helps solve this usb problem |
| 08:20.23 | reter | i want the applications that shows up in gnome panel |
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| 08:20.33 | jhaig | reter: But you can write CDs with Nautilus. |
| 08:20.46 | reter | how jhaig? |
| 08:20.59 | jhaig | Look under the "Go" menu - "CD creator" |
| 08:21.27 | reter | i dont see that |
| 08:21.38 | jhaig | Alternatively, right-click on an ISO image and select "Write to disc ..." |
| 08:22.10 | jhaig | Hmmm, I'm using Fedora at the moment. Not sure if the version of Gnome in Debian is the same. |
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| 08:23.45 | jhaig | Yes, the version of Gnome I have in Fedora is the same as Debian (Sarge) so I think Nautilus should work the same. |
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| 08:24.59 | jhaig | reter: Try typing 'burn:///' into the locator of Nautilus. |
| 08:25.53 | reter | i dont see a cd creater |
| 08:26.25 | jhaig | In the 'Go' menu of Nautilus? Not the main Gnome menu. |
| 08:26.40 | reter | where is the go menu of nautilus |
| 08:26.46 | MyMay | Morning! |
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| 08:27.15 | widrone | Morning! |
| 08:27.54 | jhaig | reter: In my window, it is between 'View' and 'Bookmarks' What version of Nautilus is it? |
| 08:28.20 | reter | i dont even think it has nautilus |
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| 08:28.53 | Horde | hey can someone give me a hand setting up the desktop? |
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| 08:29.23 | SlayerXP | Horde: sure. is it a natural wood desk, or one of those nasty laminated wood ones? |
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| 08:29.42 | Horde | huh? |
| 08:29.52 | Eclipser | :) |
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| 08:30.04 | BriajWrk | hi all |
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| 08:30.12 | widrone | Horde: Screws or nails? You glueing it thogether? |
| 08:30.18 | Eclipser | :D |
| 08:30.22 | Vyrus001 | anybody have a sugestion on usb prism chipset wifi cards for cheep ? |
| 08:30.36 | Horde | no, i mean like the debian one.... |
| 08:30.40 | BriajWrk | where can i see when K3b packages will be available for debian testing? |
| 08:30.42 | Matteo81 | When I open gnome I see this msg: there is one panel open you can't open another |
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| 08:31.25 | _build | Horde: which one? |
| 08:31.31 | Horde | uhmmmm |
| 08:31.36 | Horde | yes? |
| 08:31.50 | Matteo81 | what could I do? |
| 08:31.53 | jhaig | Which port on the firewall needs to be open to allow X forwarding? |
| 08:32.17 | jhaig | Forget that, I found it - 6000. |
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| 08:32.28 | Eclipser | Horde, there's (at least) two desktop environments in debian |
| 08:32.30 | tag_ | trouble with multiple ips |
| 08:32.30 | kioto | hi all |
| 08:32.42 | Horde | ok, what one is more windows friendly? |
| 08:32.53 | widrone | Horde: There is alik Gnome and KDE is you want the full deal, or you go with another windowmangaer and play along from there. |
| 08:33.09 | Eclipser | KDE and Gnome aren't window managers though :) |
| 08:33.16 | Matteo81 | why anyone help me? |
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| 08:33.20 | Eclipser | Horde, KDE or gnome |
| 08:33.25 | widrone | !tell Horde about gnome |
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| 08:33.39 | kioto | sorry, but i'm a newbie |
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| 08:33.54 | kioto | there is any person that can explain how to |
| 08:34.02 | Horde | cheers |
| 08:34.18 | kioto | see the file on my system that apt-get install package has placed |
| 08:34.29 | Eclipser | kioto, dpkg -L packagename |
| 08:35.54 | tag_ | Can someone please help me with this: http://channels.debian.net/paste/936 ? |
| 08:36.00 | tag_ | I'm a networking numbskull |
| 08:36.22 | jhaig | Eclipser: Thanks. That's one of those things I've wanted to know but never got round to finding out. ;-) |
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| 08:37.10 | Eclipser | jhaig, I used to forget it always but now it seems to have stuck in my mind :p |
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| 08:37.47 | Matteo81 | When I open gnome I see this msg: there is one panel open you can't open another |
| 08:37.54 | Matteo81 | what could I do? |
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| 08:38.25 | Eclipser | Matteo81, try #gnome-debian for maybe better luck |
| 08:38.26 | Horde | great, anyone know how to stop the system from hanging on the hardware instalation when it tries to load the yenta_socket mdule? |
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| 08:38.41 | Horde | module* |
| 08:39.55 | Horde | ? |
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| 08:40.07 | Matteo81 | ok thanks |
| 08:40.27 | Eclipser | Horde, don't load yenta_socket? |
| 08:40.42 | Horde | yeah that would do it |
| 08:40.44 | Horde | but how? |
| 08:41.01 | aris | hi debian people |
| 08:41.14 | aris | im having problem on using courier and ldap |
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| 08:41.27 | aris | can someone could help me? |
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| 08:41.50 | jm_ | tag_: you need auto line for eth0:0, but eth0 should be configured |
| 08:42.00 | widrone | Horde: If its in /etc/modules remove it. |
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| 08:42.24 | BriajWrk | does anyone know why k3b package is not available por debian testing? |
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| 08:42.43 | Horde | nono i dont think you understand, i am first time installing |
| 08:42.58 | Vyrus001 | for somereason when i copy things (select them in aterm) in flux box i can not paste them into gui apps (anything that draws from xclipbord) however i can go from xclipbord to aterm with now problem, how do i fix this ? |
| 08:43.01 | tag_ | jm_: OH! |
| 08:43.29 | widrone | Horde: Ah, there is a way in install to remove modules from that auto list. Cant remember, it should be documented. |
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| 08:43.56 | widrone | Horde: Like dont do autoload, you need pcmcia atall in there? |
| 08:44.21 | m0nt0 | bye |
| 08:44.22 | Horde | uhm.....not sure i could try it and see what happens |
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| 08:44.30 | Horde | thats always a good way of finding out |
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| 08:45.00 | widrone | Horde: Thats the spirit! Go beat that installer silly. |
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| 08:47.07 | Horde | heh ok well "linux26 acpi=off seemed to work pretty good |
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| 08:47.20 | Readon | how to set syslog.conf in debian to stop prompting "i8253 count too high!" |
| 08:48.12 | jm_ | Readon: what do you mean? |
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| 08:50.05 | Readon | jm_, when i install debian, "i8253 count too high!" is showned repeatedly. |
| 08:50.05 | woodland | hi |
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| 08:50.21 | Readon | i wanna hide it |
| 08:50.22 | jm_ | Readon: where? |
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| 08:50.33 | Readon | on the console |
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| 08:50.39 | jm_ | /msg dpkg printk console |
| 08:51.32 | woodland | hi i mistakenly deleted my dir under /home and now when i rebboted my pc, it said there is some ~/.xsession-error |
| 08:52.12 | woodland | can somebody help me |
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| 08:52.26 | SlayerXP | woodland: restore from your backup |
| 08:52.42 | woodland | SlayerXP, how do i do that |
| 08:53.39 | StanTheMan | good lordy... how long should it take to block scan and create a 2GB swap partition on a 40GB 7200 RPM ATA100 drive? |
| 08:54.02 | StanTheMan | this seems to be taking forever.... |
| 08:54.11 | woodland | SlayerXP, r u there |
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| 08:54.28 | jm_ | depends if you have the disk working in some useful UDMA mode |
| 08:54.29 | StanTheMan | I'm starting to wonder if something is terribly wrong here.... |
| 08:54.41 | Goodbye-Esaka | is there an arm-linux cross compiler deb? |
| 08:54.46 | Goodbye-Esaka | for x86 |
| 08:55.02 | StanTheMan | well, I'm in the woody boot disk installer, and the ATA driver showed UDMA4 during hardware detection |
| 08:55.59 | StanTheMan | I probably should have set it to 512MB.... Machine only has 128MB RAM right now, so 2GB was probably overkill |
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| 08:56.30 | fireba11 | ^^ |
| 08:56.35 | StanTheMan | 2GB for the swap partition being overkill that is |
| 08:56.46 | fireba11 | jup |
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| 08:57.08 | StanTheMan | fireba11: how big your swap partition? |
| 08:57.17 | widrone | Goodbye-Esaka: arm? What sort of bytesex? |
| 08:57.24 | fireba11 | StanTheMan: on what Pc ? :-) |
| 08:57.44 | fireba11 | usually 1 GB .. with 512 or 1 GB ram .. |
| 08:57.47 | Goodbye-Esaka | widrone: le |
| 08:57.49 | StanTheMan | fireba11: pick one hehe. How bout a stripped down headless mail relay server :P |
| 08:57.57 | widrone | Goodbye-Esaka: I know the debonaras site has some on cross compiling for arm (with distcc in the mix) |
| 08:58.26 | widrone | Goodbye-Esaka: Let me look around, I know I tested that on my i386 xbox with the debs |
| 08:58.41 | Goodbye-Esaka | i'm trying to get canned binaries. xcompile is a final resort. |
| 08:59.01 | fireba11 | someone know how to get the onboard lan on MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum to work ? |
| 08:59.32 | widrone | Goodbye-Esaka: cpp-3.3-armeb-linux_3.3.5-13_i386.deb is something I found atleast. But is this the one you want? |
| 08:59.33 | jm_ | fireba11: load the module? |
| 08:59.42 | fireba11 | jm_ is there any ? |
| 08:59.50 | Goodbye-Esaka | armeb sounds like big e. |
| 09:00.06 | StanTheMan | fireba11: this is just sloooow. If there were hard errors while fdisk is working on the partition creation (by hard errors I mean disk drive electronics), wouldn't fdisk return some kind of error? |
| 09:00.16 | jm_ | fireba11: that's pretty standard board |
| 09:00.19 | widrone | Goodbye-Esaka: Eh, yes. Sorry wrong way. |
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| 09:01.06 | Zugschlus | Hrm. Any idea what to do to fix pcmcia ide_cs on kernel 2.6.14-rc4? Plugging in the card only gives two "kernel: cs: memory probe ... excluded" entries in syslog |
| 09:01.06 | fireba11 | jm_ not sure .. it's Marvell 88E1111 + Marvell 88E8053 and i fear there might be no debian support for those |
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| 09:01.22 | woodland | i have serious problem here. i subscribed to debian-user list and i sent email to the list, but i check online that message didnt appear there |
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| 09:01.27 | StanTheMan | jm_: I'm at like 5 minutes already on this swap partition creation. Is more than 5 mins normal for a 2GB swap creation? |
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| 09:01.46 | fireba11 | StanTheMan: not at all |
| 09:01.47 | Zugschlus | woodland: did the mail actually go out? when did you send it? |
| 09:02.04 | jm_ | StanTheMan: yes - check the flags for the drive in /proc/ide or /sys/block/hd* |
| 09:02.12 | woodland | Zugschlus, ya i sent by yahoo, about half an hour ago |
| 09:02.25 | jm_ | fireba11: do you have PCI ID-s handy? |
| 09:02.38 | widrone | Goodbye-Esaka: Only thing I have seen lately is this page http://peter.korsgaard.com/articles/debian-nslu2.php |
| 09:03.07 | woodland | Zugschlus, what could be problem |
| 09:03.14 | widrone | Goodbye-Esaka: Or try debian-arm for some answers perhaps. |
| 09:03.18 | StanTheMan | jm_: It just finished. yay. Now on to the other partitions. BTW, I created a *small* 128MB partition for boot. That too big? :P |
| 09:03.39 | jm_ | StanTheMan: yes ;) |
| 09:03.56 | Horde | anyone know any good free SMTP servers? |
| 09:04.08 | Goodbye-Esaka | ok. thx |
| 09:04.14 | Noid | StanTheMan: too much space for /boot, but space is cheap |
| 09:04.32 | helpme | what is that command fix dpi 75 or something to fix large windows & icons? |
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| 09:04.40 | helpme | plz hel[ |
| 09:04.42 | Zugschlus | woodland: just wait |
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| 09:06.06 | liransd_ | Horde, smtp servers? sendmail/exim/postfix |
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| 09:06.23 | StanTheMan | jm_: been a while since I did an install. the boot partition needs to be ext2 correct? assuming I use ext2 for the root filesystem partition? |
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| 09:06.56 | Jacky | YEs |
| 09:07.12 | jm_ | StanTheMan: no, boot can be anything else too, it doesn't have to match your / partitions, but it's probably best to use the same fs type for both |
| 09:07.17 | Noid | StanTheMan: not necessarily |
| 09:07.44 | dvsdude | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:07.58 | widrone | StanTheMan: Im on ext3 root , but Im not running any raids or anything. |
| 09:08.09 | StanTheMan | well, I'm running woody on this install, not sarge |
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| 09:08.16 | Readon | jm_, how can i see which priority does the kernel message belongs to? |
| 09:08.20 | StanTheMan | just going to be a mail relay/smart host with postfix |
| 09:08.38 | plotest | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:08.41 | jm_ | fireba11: tried sk98lin module? |
| 09:09.10 | jm_ | Readon: try the suggestion in dpkg's factoid |
| 09:09.29 | StanTheMan | and right now, I'm initializing the root partition which is going to be ~38GB....probably take all night, although I'm not block scanning this one, or it would take two days :P |
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| 09:10.02 | fireba11 | jm_ haven#t triedn anything yet, but someone on the german debian mailing list reported about problems getting thsoe working |
| 09:10.20 | jm_ | plotest: did you look at fan ACPI related options? |
| 09:10.40 | Guerin | StanTheMan: woody's security updates will end in about 6 months |
| 09:10.49 | Guerin | StanTheMan: i suggest you update to sarge before then |
| 09:10.50 | fireba11 | StanTheMan: uhm ... wtf ? |
| 09:10.53 | plotest | jm_: yes, I have a 2.6.12 kernel and the relevant options are all enabled as far as I understand |
| 09:11.08 | StanTheMan | wow that 38GB part creation was faster than the swap. That block scan must be intense |
| 09:11.32 | jm_ | fireba11: well try it, at least 8050 and 8001 works |
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| 09:11.41 | heatxsink | anyone in here ever use debbootstrap? |
| 09:11.45 | fireba11 | jm_ okay, will do soon :-) |
| 09:11.52 | Guerin | !anyone use debootstrap |
| 09:11.55 | dpkg | No, no one uses debootstrap, not even the people who use it. |
| 09:12.21 | BriajWrk | does anyone can say me what is the reason of k3b is not available on debian etch? thank you very much ;) |
| 09:12.32 | Guerin | !why is k3b not in testing? |
| 09:12.33 | dpkg | k3b is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=k3b |
| 09:12.40 | Guerin | BriajWrk: ^ |
| 09:12.42 | BriajWrk | yes Guerin |
| 09:12.46 | jm_ | plotest: you should have some control over it then |
| 09:12.53 | BriajWrk | Guerin: it 's available on sid and sarge :? |
| 09:12.55 | Guerin | BriajWrk: the link tells you why. |
| 09:12.56 | fireba11 | jm_ it's a neat board though .. can do ECC-ram, 2x GB-LAN, 8 SATA ports and a SB live 7.1 onboard with optical out :-) |
| 09:13.04 | woodland | Zugschlus, what could be problem |
| 09:13.19 | plotest | jm_: I run the cpufreqd daemon with the default config but I have noticed no changes |
| 09:13.20 | Zugschlus | woodland: Yahoo, and Debian mailinglists. Just wait |
| 09:13.26 | BriajWrk | Guerin: please, tell me where are the links |
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| 09:13.37 | Zugschlus | Both yahoo and Debian's list servers are _very_ busy systems |
| 09:13.38 | StanTheMan | Guerin: the only app that will be exposed on this box im building with woody is postfix. Do you think I'll need security updates for that? |
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| 09:13.40 | Guerin | BriajWrk: the link dpkg mentioned above. |
| 09:13.51 | jm_ | fireba11: it's not SBLive, it has Realtek audio chip on it - I am looking for Socket939 boards with nforce4 ultra chipset, will remember this one |
| 09:13.53 | BriajWrk | Guerin: i have been seeing on packages.debian.org |
| 09:13.54 | woodland | Zugschlus, ok |
| 09:14.12 | jm_ | plotest: there are lots of things related to cpufreq, maybe try the powersave governor |
| 09:14.27 | Guerin | BriajWrk: fuck's sake, are you being stupid on purpose? |
| 09:14.37 | Guerin | BriajWrk: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=k3b |
| 09:14.41 | fireba11 | jm_ vendor page says "Sound: Creative Sound Blaster Live 24Bit" |
| 09:14.43 | Guerin | BriajWrk: AS ABOVE |
| 09:15.05 | plotest | jm_: the good people at debian-kernel just told me that this basically happens on all the HP business laptops |
| 09:15.10 | Guerin | StanTheMan: you always need security updates. You'll also be exposing your kernel. Postfix hasn't had a remote root vulnerability yet, but that |
| 09:15.11 | jhaig | Is there an easy way to get ls to return just the size of a file, so that I can use it in a comparison test? The closest I have so far is "ls -s filename" which returns a string showing the file size followed by the filename. |
| 09:15.12 | BriajWrk | Guerin: excuse me, i didn't see it |
| 09:15.16 | StanTheMan | Guerin: actually, won't the boot install disk automatically pull the current stable dist, regardless? In that case, I'll end up with sarge anyway, as I don't think i have a option to pick the dist with the net install boot disks. Right? |
| 09:15.17 | jm_ | fireba11: nope, http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=K8N_Neo4_Platinum&class=mb |
| 09:15.18 | BriajWrk | Guerin, thank you very much |
| 09:15.19 | Guerin | 's not to say one couldn't come to light tomorrow. |
| 09:15.47 | fireba11 | jm_ i'm talking about diamond version, not platinum :-) |
| 09:15.55 | Guerin | jhaig: |awk '{print $1}' |
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| 09:16.18 | dvsdude | plotest: this is link for linux on toshiba might help anyhow http://www.buzzard.me.uk/toshiba/index.html |
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| 09:16.28 | deadcat | where does openbox set the bg color on the default theme? |
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| 09:16.43 | jm_ | plotest: ohh, too bad |
| 09:16.55 | jhaig | Guerin: Thanks. |
| 09:16.59 | StanTheMan | hmmm.... Don't I need to install the kernel to the boot partition, not root? The installer won't let me install the kernel until I mount / |
| 09:17.03 | Guerin | deadcat: man openbox |
| 09:17.07 | jm_ | fireba11: you said Platinum above |
| 09:17.15 | fireba11 | jm_ my bad .. sorry |
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| 09:17.26 | jm_ | fireba11: don't see diamon version on the web |
| 09:17.31 | bob2 | StanTheMan: the installer can't mount anything until you have / mounted |
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| 09:17.43 | fireba11 | jm_ german page got it http://www.msi-technology.de/produkte/main_idx_view.php?Prod_id=473 |
| 09:17.59 | plotest | thank you dvsdude :) |
| 09:18.08 | jm_ | fireba11: it must cost a lot |
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| 09:18.25 | jm_ | ohh and it's for P4 ;) |
| 09:18.28 | StanTheMan | bob2: thx. So I make /boot later in the install process, or well after I've got the base system installed? |
| 09:18.29 | helpme | what is that command fix dpi 75 or something to fix large windows & icons? |
| 09:18.48 | bob2 | StanTheMan: ? |
| 09:18.56 | StanTheMan | bob2: it's just been so long since I set debian up.... |
| 09:18.56 | bob2 | StanTheMan: the sarge installer asks you about it |
| 09:19.20 | Guerin | BriajWrk: he's trying to be clever and use woody |
| 09:19.23 | Guerin | bah |
| 09:19.25 | Guerin | bob2 |
| 09:19.26 | deadcat | Guerin: not much option in man page |
| 09:19.32 | StanTheMan | bob2: I'm installing from net boot disks, not CD. The boot disk set I have is for woody, dated in 2002 |
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| 09:19.40 | fireba11 | jm_ i just noticed that i got the platinum .. clicked on the wrong link and got the diamond stats .. ^^ |
| 09:19.42 | bob2 | StanTheMan: ok then |
| 09:19.45 | jm_ | fireba11: hah |
| 09:19.55 | StanTheMan | bob2: I didn't think it was necessary to download the new install disks... |
| 09:20.03 | bob2 | ? |
| 09:20.05 | bob2 | whatever |
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| 09:20.10 | StanTheMan | bob2: so for the old woody installer? |
| 09:20.16 | bob2 | no fucking idea |
| 09:20.21 | elephantman_is_m | Hi all |
| 09:20.45 | StanTheMan | bob2: sorry... I just want to make sure I don't screw myself by doing something in the wrong order now.. |
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| 09:20.49 | elephantman_is_m | How can i replace encoding errors in vim like "What~Rs up" instead of "What's up" |
| 09:21.21 | StanTheMan | bob2: I can always go back after the base install and create and put the kernel in the /boot partition I assume, and then activate it |
| 09:21.26 | elephantman_is_m | I have a prob with this particular sign (apostrophe) - In general, is there a way to deal with those problems ? |
| 09:21.30 | bob2 | yes |
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| 09:21.48 | Guerin | demoroniser might work |
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| 09:22.07 | Guerin | the real solution is to not use any documents which are badly encoded in the first place |
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| 09:22.18 | Guerin | and to complain loudly to fuckwits who distribute them |
| 09:22.21 | StanTheMan | bob2: cool. thx. sorry for the hassle. :P |
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| 09:24.33 | elephantman_is_m | Guerin: yes ok :p - but is there a solution once its done - Well i know the synthax to replace '^M' sign - I know it correspond to '\015' so what is the name of this corresponding table ? |
| 09:24.58 | Guerin | !demoroniser |
| 09:24.58 | dpkg | i heard demoroniser is for converting word's annoying little smart-quotes to ASCII. It's at http://www.fourmilab.ch/webtools/demoroniser/ |
| 09:25.03 | elephantman_is_m | I mean is it something like apostrophe ASCII equivalent i have to find ? |
| 09:25.20 | elephantman_is_m | Guerin: super thanx |
| 09:25.30 | Horde | uhm ok |
| 09:25.44 | Horde | how do i set up the gnome desktop enviroment? |
| 09:25.54 | bob2 | setup? |
| 09:26.03 | tarzeau | Horde: #ubuntu |
| 09:26.08 | Guerin | Horde: apt-get install gnome x=window-system-core |
| 09:26.20 | Guerin | s/=/-/ |
| 09:26.37 | fireba11 | demoronizer is a nice name :-) |
| 09:26.48 | Guerin | it's not demoronizer |
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| 09:26.52 | Guerin | it's demoroniser |
| 09:26.53 | bob2 | hah |
| 09:27.12 | Guerin | because it's written by someone who doesn't just arbitrarily make up spellings of english words |
| 09:27.14 | fireba11 | anyway |
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| 09:28.11 | fireba11 | i'd say its apropriate :-) |
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| 09:28.20 | Guerin | itym appropriate |
| 09:28.42 | deadcat | how do i make /dev/fuse? getting this error after upgrading the utils or module |
| 09:28.43 | fireba11 | Guerin: sorry ... |
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| 09:29.12 | fireba11 | Guerin: i don't mind .. i'm german after all :-D |
| 09:29.16 | Horde | hmm when i type in "apt-get install gnome x=window-system-core" it is returned by "redaing package lists... done |
| 09:29.17 | woodland | where can i get w32codec package |
| 09:29.29 | spdf | !tell woodland about marillat |
| 09:29.31 | Horde | building dependancy tree..done |
| 09:29.41 | Horde | E: couldn't find package x |
| 09:29.50 | azeem | Horde: because there is no package x |
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| 09:30.04 | cahoot | Guerin: the app restricted to word docs? |
| 09:30.04 | azeem | you mean 'apt-get install gnome x-window-system-core' probably |
| 09:30.40 | jm_ | fireba11: how much was that motherboard? |
| 09:30.41 | azeem | Horde: foo=bar is parsed by APT as 'install version bar of package foo |
| 09:30.42 | Horde | that would do it |
| 09:30.53 | Guerin | cahoot: it is pretty limited ... i'm not sure what it does |
| 09:30.54 | fireba11 | jm_ hm .. will have a look, sec |
| 09:31.04 | Guerin | cahoot: i usually just use sed |
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| 09:31.24 | Guerin | Horde: i told you that = was a mistake |
| 09:31.24 | dvsdude | woodland: mplayer website or add deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat testing main to ur sources.list |
| 09:31.28 | Guerin | Horde: i meant - |
| 09:31.52 | fireba11 | jm_ 125 € |
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| 09:32.57 | fireba11 | jm_ at a wholesaler though |
| 09:33.04 | Horde | uhm and now this error, "package x-window-system-core is not available, but is referred to by another package. whis may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source |
| 09:33.04 | jm_ | fireba11: not bad |
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| 09:33.38 | Horde | E: package x-window-system-core has no installation candidate |
| 09:34.00 | deadcat | you're not using debian |
| 09:34.18 | Horde | uhm yeah i am... |
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| 09:34.28 | deadcat | no you're not |
| 09:34.33 | Horde | how so? |
| 09:34.54 | seeeS | x-window-system-core is in there, or used to be |
| 09:35.21 | Horde | hmm well i installed off the bin iso's. would that make any difference |
| 09:35.34 | Horde | ? |
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| 09:36.04 | widrone | seeeS: apt-cache show x-window-system-core , works here. |
| 09:36.29 | fireba11 | Horde you got web sources in apt ? |
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| 09:36.38 | seeeS | yeah, so why has horde not have it? |
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| 09:36.40 | Horde | uhm no i dont think so |
| 09:36.46 | deadcat | widrone: they both arent using debian or added some weird line to sources.list |
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| 09:37.05 | Horde | the box im installing it on is not connected to internet |
| 09:37.07 | Horde | the |
| 09:37.09 | Horde | internet |
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| 09:37.38 | widrone | deadcat: Probably, just that Horde was asking debian install questions a while ago. So I persume he is still there =) |
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| 09:37.54 | NOthsouth | Hello, Can someone tell me some Sweeet repository ? |
| 09:37.56 | Horde | indeed i am |
| 09:38.13 | deadcat | widrone: from now on. the first thing we need to ask is "are you sure you using debian?" |
| 09:38.22 | deadcat | NOthsouth: apt-setup |
| 09:38.39 | widrone | Horde: Is the /etc/apt/sources.list pointing at the cd or did you change it to online respos? |
| 09:39.02 | NOthsouth | widrone, I point to online repos |
| 09:39.02 | widrone | deadcat: Sure thing. Ill program the noodle for that operation. |
| 09:39.09 | NOthsouth | but i want some more repos... |
| 09:39.13 | bob2 | NOthsouth: the debian ones are pretty good |
| 09:39.16 | deadcat | Horde: x-window-system-core is on cd1 so you oviously doing something wrong |
| 09:39.27 | Horde | hmm |
| 09:39.35 | NOthsouth | bob2, yehh but i can't find what i need there.. i need this lib ..libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 |
| 09:39.38 | fireba11 | damn .. i got used to the 15" 1024*768 TFT and finally got a 17" 1280*1024 TFT .. hell of a difference i'd say |
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| 09:39.47 | Horde | well its not set up to do anything web related |
| 09:39.47 | NOthsouth | or something like it |
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| 09:41.11 | NOthsouth | and gcc 4 |
| 09:41.27 | bob2 | !+redhat crap |
| 09:41.27 | dpkg | well, redhat crap is 'apt-get install libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1' if you get 'libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file' (get it from woody if you use sarge or sid), or ** NEW redhat crap! If you're missing libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3, it's in woody's libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 package (get it from oldstable/woody archives since it's obsolete) |
| 09:41.27 | Horde | oh duh |
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| 09:41.38 | bob2 | NOthsouth: ^^ |
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| 09:41.44 | bob2 | NOthsouth: yay for broken old proprietary software |
| 09:41.53 | Horde | i diddnt scan the cd1 for packages in th apt-setup |
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| 09:41.57 | Horde | ... |
| 09:42.05 | NOthsouth | bob2, hahaha ths |
| 09:42.12 | fireba11 | ouch |
| 09:42.42 | widrone | Horde: There you go! Get it cack in there and it should work. |
| 09:42.58 | Horde | yeah it is jeez i feel stupid now... |
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| 09:43.43 | Horde | oh and btw are visual basic programmers generaly regarded as "toddlers" or "satanists"? |
| 09:43.53 | bob2 | the former |
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| 09:44.02 | bob2 | they're not old enough to be evil |
| 09:44.08 | heatxsink | Horde: always |
| 09:44.13 | Horde | lol |
| 09:44.23 | Horde | ah so i should probly moce onto C huh? |
| 09:44.27 | Horde | move* |
| 09:44.36 | bob2 | or anything else |
| 09:44.39 | heatxsink | Horde: well, most REAL languages are based on C |
| 09:44.40 | Eclipser | from what? |
| 09:44.42 | Eclipser | ah |
| 09:44.46 | Eclipser | VB... |
| 09:44.50 | heatxsink | Horde: but that probably started a war |
| 09:44.55 | bob2 | python, perl and ruby are all improvements |
| 09:44.56 | Eclipser | Horde, try java or C++ :) |
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| 09:45.06 | Horde | well its a relitively easy language to learn quick |
| 09:45.06 | NOthsouth | bob2, thx it's work dude.. I'm installing ASE sybase .. |
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| 09:45.36 | id_ | hi - can i use suPHP_UserGroup from a vhost unsing the libapache2-modsuphp package ? |
| 09:45.37 | heatxsink | Horde: if you learn C, you can do perl, c++, java, c# |
| 09:45.41 | Eclipser | Horde, VB also destroys your mind and you're never again able to learn a new language |
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| 09:45.44 | heatxsink | really easy |
| 09:45.45 | id_ | i get Invalid command 'suPHP_UserGroup', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 09:45.51 | heatxsink | nods |
| 09:45.54 | id_ | the mod is enabled |
| 09:46.01 | Horde | i tried c++ but its a bit confusing. i am slowly moving onto C# |
| 09:46.35 | Kevin` | vb and c# probably don't work too well on linux |
| 09:46.40 | Horde | lol |
| 09:46.41 | Horde | yeah |
| 09:46.54 | bob2 | C# works fine |
| 09:46.57 | bob2 | as does VB.net |
| 09:46.58 | Eclipser | well I hear mono works quite well |
| 09:47.00 | Horde | ugh i need a good bookstore |
| 09:47.05 | Horde | to buy language books from |
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| 09:47.12 | bob2 | but VB people presumably whinge about the lack an IDE |
| 09:47.16 | bob2 | Horde: www.bookpool.com |
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| 09:47.43 | Horde | nah i dont do online stuff, too many dodgy deals make you a bit weary |
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| 09:48.05 | Kevin` | wary or weary |
| 09:48.14 | Horde | good question |
| 09:48.22 | Horde | guess i need a dictionary to |
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| 09:48.52 | Horde | lol i have lost about $700 in the wirey mass they call the internet |
| 09:49.13 | Kevin` | speaking of the internet, did you watch it break earlier? |
| 09:49.19 | ircdevil | i need to print an image to ps from firefox with courier new set for the fonts. now, trying that and looking in the resulting ps file, the font is: NimbusMonL-Regu_iso8859-15 |
| 09:49.22 | ircdevil | what is that? |
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| 09:49.52 | giupy | hi all |
| 09:50.02 | Horde | pardon kevin? |
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| 09:50.06 | Horde | it broke? |
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| 09:50.08 | giupy | how can i say sendmail to use a specfied password and username to send email ? |
| 09:50.15 | Kevin` | Horde, see ##Level3 |
| 09:50.23 | bob2 | giupy: "SASL", also #sendmail |
| 09:50.36 | bob2 | giupy: I'd think, tho, that if you have to ask, you shouldn't be using sendmail |
| 09:50.54 | giupy | bob2, ? |
| 09:51.00 | bob2 | ! |
| 09:51.42 | azeem | giupy: sendmai is not for the faint of the heart, and requires an experienced admin. You may be better off using exim4 or postfix |
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| 09:52.15 | bannedit | not to mention sendmail is notorious for bugs |
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| 09:52.22 | woodland | hi i get some errors while starting gnome |
| 09:52.34 | woodland | i just posted those errors in flood |
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| 09:52.49 | bob2 | 19:52:07 woodland | '/home/wood/.gnome/':Permission denied |
| 09:52.55 | bob2 | ls -ld /home/wood/ |
| 09:53.11 | giupy | azeem, i want only send and recive email, withsendmail i recive them but when i try to send i need passwd... |
| 09:53.12 | woodland | bob2, should i type that command |
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| 09:53.25 | bob2 | yes |
| 09:53.26 | azeem | giupy: why did you choose sendmail? |
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| 09:54.45 | ircdevil | where is this Nimbus font comming from anyway? one asks for courier new, and nimbus is what you get. |
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| 09:54.49 | ircdevil | fuck this |
| 09:54.53 | giupy | because when i try download email wth fetchmail and exim4 configured i can't read them withmutt, without a muttrc and procmail |
| 09:54.54 | giupy | fetchmail download emails but there aren't in var spool mail |
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| 09:55.11 | jm_ | so find out where fetchmail puts them |
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| 09:55.22 | giupy | jm_, ahm how ? |
| 09:55.30 | azeem | giupy: this has nothing to do with the choice of your mail server |
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| 09:55.52 | giupy | azeem, why with sendmail i recoive them in var/spool/mail ? |
| 09:55.56 | giupy | recive |
| 09:56.07 | woodland | bob2, i did that but again the same error |
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| 09:56.21 | azeem | giupy: anyway, I suggest you use exim4, and fix your fetchmail/procmail setup |
| 09:56.22 | giupy | now i need only to send emails ..... |
| 09:56.32 | azeem | bbl |
| 09:56.40 | giupy | azeem, i don't use procmail |
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| 09:56.57 | bob2 | woodland: er |
| 09:57.00 | bob2 | woodland: show us what it said? |
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| 09:57.07 | woodland | bob2, |
| 09:57.11 | woodland | come to flood |
| 09:58.23 | SimonRaven | wtf, why did you try to run gnome again? did you do the command bob2 gave you? |
| 09:58.31 | bob2 | woodland: to save time, in future whan I type a command, I want you to run it and show me what it said |
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| 09:59.17 | ircdevil | printing html to ps from firefox with courier new font results in numbus-mono in the ps file. why? |
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| 10:00.07 | jm_ | giupy: you can tell fetchmail how to deliver them (i.e. procmail, MTA, ...) |
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| 10:01.02 | woodland | bob2, wait i will check and will tell ya |
| 10:01.28 | giupy | jm_, yes i know but i at the moment i want to use as default using /var/spool/mail and the i'll add waht i want and what i "know" in procmailrc and muttrc ..... |
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| 10:01.50 | Ronin | there thats enough of that shit |
| 10:01.58 | jm_ | giupy: so do it |
| 10:02.10 | Horde | ok now how do i start gnome? |
| 10:02.30 | antgel__ | i have read the webpage on incoming. confused. looking for samba 3.0.20 debs. there are ones for arm in incoming. is it likely that the i386 ones just aren't ready yet? |
| 10:02.34 | giupy | jm_, yes but ican't send email becasue sendmail needs password :)) |
| 10:02.40 | giupy | ica only recive |
| 10:02.42 | giupy | i can |
| 10:02.57 | jm_ | giupy: why did you configure it that way then? |
| 10:03.05 | bob2 | antgel__: http://people.debian.org/~igloo/status.php?email=&packages=samba&arches= |
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| 10:04.08 | neonatus | I need help with 2.4.31 kernel compiling |
| 10:04.21 | giupy | jm_, it's the default conf, without muttrc and procmail, |
| 10:04.26 | neonatus | I keep getting errors {standard input}: Assembler messages: |
| 10:04.26 | neonatus | {standard input}:726: Error: suffix or operands invalid for `mov' |
| 10:04.30 | Horde | ok now how do i start gnome?? |
| 10:04.45 | jm_ | giupy: no I mean why is sendmail asking for a password |
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| 10:05.19 | giupy | jm_, ehm .. smarthost needs password and username |
| 10:05.30 | woodland | bob2, hi, that command you told gives the output i am posting in flood |
| 10:05.32 | neonatus | anyone? kernel compiling problems? |
| 10:05.58 | bob2 | neonatus: sounds like you're trying to compile it with gcc 3.4 or 4.0 |
| 10:06.05 | neonatus | yes 3.4 |
| 10:06.08 | bob2 | also, don't be annoying, just ask and wait |
| 10:06.09 | antgel__ | bob2: hmm, it says installed. can't see it in experimental or unstable. |
| 10:06.09 | neonatus | do I need older*? |
| 10:06.14 | neonatus | bob2 sorry |
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| 10:06.17 | jm_ | giupy: so use it when sening mail, I don't see what the problem is then |
| 10:06.18 | neonatus | bob2 I'm in a hurry |
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| 10:06.28 | neonatus | bob2 should I use 3.3 or 3.2? |
| 10:06.41 | bob2 | 2.95 |
| 10:06.44 | bob2 | 3.2 may work |
| 10:07.07 | giupy | jm_, i don't know how to say sendmail to use username and password of my smarthost tosend emails ... |
| 10:07.08 | neonatus | ok thx |
| 10:07.16 | neonatus | bob2 I'll try that |
| 10:07.20 | jm_ | giupy: /msg dpkg smtp auth |
| 10:07.21 | bob2 | antgel__: there is a period when it's not on incoming.debian.org, but not yet on the mirrors |
| 10:07.25 | giupy | ok |
| 10:07.27 | bob2 | it should be on the order of a couple of horus only |
| 10:07.31 | Horde | ok now how do i start gnome??? |
| 10:07.43 | bob2 | Horde: gnome-session |
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| 10:08.46 | Zap-W | is my HD starting to die? |
| 10:08.46 | Zap-W | hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } hda: dma_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=18277744, sector=18277735 |
| 10:09.12 | bob2 | woodland: why does root own your homedir? |
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| 10:09.40 | antgel__ | bob2: thanks |
| 10:09.45 | antgel__ | Zap-W: fo sho |
| 10:09.53 | woodland | bob2, i did that command after i logged in recovery mode as root |
| 10:10.04 | Zap-W | antgel__: ? |
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| 10:10.16 | bob2 | woodland: that doesn't answer my question |
| 10:10.20 | antgel__ | Zap-W: for sure (in gangsta speak) |
| 10:10.20 | bob2 | woodland: make your user own it |
| 10:10.27 | woodland | bob2, how |
| 10:10.46 | bob2 | woodland: how did you break it to begin with? |
| 10:11.08 | ircdevil | how do i find out if courier new is installed? |
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| 10:11.29 | jm_ | ircdevil: an xlsfonts; man fc-list |
| 10:11.34 | bob2 | fc-list and xlsfonts |
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| 10:11.56 | woodland | bob2, i was playing with /etc/apt/sources.list and my dir got deleted , i dont know what happened, didnt issue rmdir or something |
| 10:12.48 | bob2 | woodland: that has nothing to do with your homedir being owned by root |
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| 10:12.53 | bob2 | woodland: sudo chown wood /home/wood/ |
| 10:13.11 | woodland | bob2, is 'sudo' a command |
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| 10:13.52 | ircdevil | ok - xlsfonts was installed. fc-list shows Courier New. now, how come i cant get firefox to print to ps using courier new then? |
| 10:13.54 | bob2 | yes... |
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| 10:14.40 | StanTheMan | hmmm.... the installer didn't setup my host IP, the gateway address, or the DNS server |
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| 10:15.03 | woodland | bob2, is 'sudo' a command |
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| 10:15.23 | ircdevil | jm_ should xlsfonts show courier new? |
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| 10:15.30 | bob2 | woodland: yes... |
| 10:15.40 | jm_ | ircdevil: it does for me |
| 10:15.41 | ircdevil | xlsfonts |grep courier |grep new -> nada |
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| 10:16.09 | ircdevil | jm_ ^^ ? |
| 10:16.10 | StanTheMan | I got the host IP inserted into /etc/hosts, but I've never manually edited the gateway file and have no idea what to put in there beyond the gateway IP address. Some help please? |
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| 10:16.42 | bob2 | dude |
| 10:16.45 | bob2 | seriously |
| 10:17.05 | bob2 | man 5 interfaces |
| 10:17.08 | ircdevil | courier new is part of msttcorefonts, not? |
| 10:17.26 | jm_ | ircdevil: !! |
| 10:17.38 | antgel | StanTheMan: are you new to debian? |
| 10:17.59 | jm_ | staniel: /msg dpkg interfaces ; man interfaces ; read stuff in /usr/share/doc/ipfupdown ; pa-tcache show etherconf |
| 10:18.02 | ircdevil | i got a zillion font packages installed, but obviusly not the correct one |
| 10:18.04 | jm_ | StanTheMan ^^^^^^ |
| 10:18.06 | jm_ | staniel: sorry |
| 10:18.37 | woodland | bob2, thanx it worked |
| 10:18.54 | manbox | any1 know what mainline bittorrent is? |
| 10:19.34 | airox | Do I have to compile a kernel to get ethernet bridging support in the default debian kernel ? |
| 10:20.32 | jm_ | airox: you can find its config file in /boot and you can verify what it supports |
| 10:20.42 | giupy | using exim4 can i recive problems if i'm connected via eth to a bridge connection on an xp machine that is connected to a modem router ? |
| 10:20.58 | airox | jm_: great. thanks. |
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| 10:21.24 | woodland | bob2, thanx for help |
| 10:21.26 | jm_ | do Debian 2.6 kernels support /proc/config.gz? that's also worth checking |
| 10:21.39 | bob2 | no |
| 10:21.48 | bob2 | but k-p makes /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 10:22.01 | jm_ | what a shame |
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| 10:22.19 | StanTheMan | antgel: no, not really. Just rusty. As far as installing boxen, I've only done like 4 Debian installs (or linux for that matter) in the last 4 years. Just a bit rusty, but not new. |
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| 10:22.29 | airox | jm_: CONFIG_BRIDE=m would mean there is a module for it am I right ? |
| 10:22.36 | neonatus | bob2 compiling with gcc-3.2 causes the same error to occur |
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| 10:22.37 | jm_ | airox: absolutely |
| 10:22.41 | airox | Great! |
| 10:22.47 | bob2 | neonatus: gcc-2.95 it is, then |
| 10:23.01 | neonatus | hmm ok |
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| 10:23.14 | antgel | StanTheMan: ok. you may still wish to peruse /msg dpkg grounding |
| 10:25.14 | widrone | Damn, forgot to mount swap on a machine. It just ate sshd whole and that means its time for coffe, cigarette and pouding. And a reboot. :) |
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| 10:27.37 | StanTheMan | loopback is unnecessary and should be removed, correct, for most applications? |
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| 10:28.40 | antgel | StanTheMan: incorrect. who told you that? |
| 10:29.06 | ircdevil | i dont get it - why doesnt courier new show with xlsfonts? |
| 10:29.34 | antgel | ircdevil: because it's not installed |
| 10:29.38 | bob2 | xlsfonts = X core fonts = setup in X config file |
| 10:29.46 | StanTheMan | angtel: just a guess. I thought I recall reading that a loopback address on a mail hub/smart host was a bad idea. This machine is going to be a smart host for outboud relay |
| 10:29.47 | bob2 | fc-list = fontconfig = setup in /etc/fonts/ |
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| 10:30.36 | steinchen | hiho |
| 10:30.41 | ircdevil | antgel: and in what package does one find courier new? |
| 10:30.55 | id_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:30.56 | ircdevil | apt-file is not much help here - nor is apt-cache search |
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| 10:31.17 | steinchen | how do i change the font-size in sylpheed etc? from the menues |
| 10:33.26 | woodland | what is '/usr/bin' usually used for |
| 10:33.40 | ircdevil | fonts and linux is just as awful as printers and linux |
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| 10:34.01 | neonatus | bob2 2.95 gives me the same error |
| 10:34.11 | neonatus | bob2 I cannot compile a 2.4.31 kernel at all as it seems |
| 10:34.21 | azeem | woodland: see the File Hierachy Standard (FHS) |
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| 10:35.03 | woodland | i am trying to install real player as per instruction on real.com ... so should /usr/bin be prefix for symbolic links |
| 10:36.04 | antgel | ircdevil: msttcorefonts, perchance? printers and linux is extremely easy |
| 10:36.17 | woodland | bob2, i am trying to install real player as per instruction on real.com ... so should /usr/bin be prefix for symbolic links |
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| 10:36.18 | antgel | id_: try it |
| 10:36.56 | id_ | antgel, Invalid command 'suPHP_UserGroup', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 10:37.03 | id_ | mod is enabled |
| 10:37.19 | ircdevil | antgel: msttcorefonts is installed. |
| 10:37.21 | id_ | suPHP_configPath & suPHP_Engine on are working |
| 10:37.29 | antgel | id_: ##php? |
| 10:37.32 | Xoney | steinchen: in /.gtkrc or /.gtkrc.mime |
| 10:37.35 | id_ | so i guess it is not compiles with --paranoid |
| 10:37.47 | id_ | suphp |
| 10:37.48 | dave | woodland, to install relaplayer, you should download the bin, chmod u+x then ./RealPlay... etc, it should install fine |
| 10:38.04 | bob2 | neonatus: maybe your config is broken |
| 10:38.04 | woodland | dave, ok |
| 10:38.17 | antgel | ircdevil: did you reload the font path? |
| 10:38.21 | id_ | antgel, a php wrapper for chaning uid/gid |
| 10:38.29 | ircdevil | antgel: please explain |
| 10:38.32 | id_ | changing |
| 10:38.37 | antgel | id_: take it to ##php |
| 10:38.38 | StanTheMan | call me stupid, but I don't see a line for DNS servers in the interfaces man page |
| 10:38.42 | id_ | k |
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| 10:39.04 | elephantman_is_m | What is the correct system encoding to use with french language : ISO or UTF8 ? |
| 10:39.06 | StanTheMan | I've got all the network info in interfaces correct now, but I don't know where to put my dns server(s) |
| 10:39.12 | antgel | StanTheMan: you're stupid. it's not there. please read the manuals as previously advised. |
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| 10:39.19 | nelf | StanTheMan: /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 10:39.31 | nelf | StanTheMan: Listen to antgel |
| 10:39.32 | elephantman_is_m | I know answers depends - but i need a tendance |
| 10:39.46 | steinchen | Xoney, thx.. what should i set it to? ;) for 15" notebook tft, 1024x768 |
| 10:39.48 | neonatus | bob2 what config? |
| 10:39.49 | tarzeau | does debian have this packaged? i can't find it. http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=mcite |
| 10:39.54 | neonatus | bob2 I tried vanilla source |
| 10:39.59 | neonatus | bob2 and it does not compile |
| 10:40.01 | elephantman_is_m | Before switching all my system's locales |
| 10:40.20 | StanTheMan | angtel: thx for the insult. Ignorant I may be, but stupid, no. Stupid describes someone who can't learn. Ignorant describes lack of specific knowledge of a subject. I am ignorant of some things. I am not stupid. |
| 10:40.30 | antgel | StanTheMan: you said call you stupid :) |
| 10:40.42 | tarzeau | !find mcite |
| 10:40.55 | StanTheMan | angtel: hehe, I did :P I read man 5 interfaces, and there is nothing in there about DNS servers |
| 10:41.01 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mcite' (1): (/usr/share/doc/texmf/help/Catalogue/entries/mcite.html) in doc/tetex-doc. |
| 10:41.09 | antgel | !tell StanTheMan about grounding |
| 10:41.32 | Xoney | steinchen: just try some fonts ;) |
| 10:41.46 | woodland | hi when i use headset the sound comes from my speaker as well as headphone why is that |
| 10:42.11 | antgel | woodland: because the volume is up |
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| 10:42.35 | woodland | antgel, no i chekced it it not like that |
| 10:42.56 | woodland | i have speaker on back of my laptop |
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| 10:43.27 | Alver | Hello... I'm having kinky issues with my usb stick; it always works, but sometimes it only transfers ~500K per sec, while it's an usb2 device that does 3+ megs a sec usually |
| 10:43.36 | StanTheMan | nelf: thx. I missed your comment of resolv.conf. That's the last bit of info I need to get this install done. Gracias! |
| 10:44.07 | woodland | does anybody have idea why sound comes from both speaker and headphone at the same time |
| 10:44.35 | Alver | woodland: that's something speaker-related, not software :) |
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| 10:44.56 | woodland | Alver, so how do i take care of that |
| 10:45.06 | Alver | woodland: fix the speakers ;) |
| 10:45.20 | antgel | bob2: so, when a package is out of incoming and not on the mirrors yet, where is it? |
| 10:45.29 | woodland | Alver, so how do i do that , any commands ? |
| 10:45.34 | xelam | lol |
| 10:45.40 | xelam | woodland: it's a HARDWARE problem |
| 10:45.43 | Alver | woodland: like I said, it's got nothing to do with software |
| 10:46.22 | woodland | Alver, when i boot in windows it doesnt happen , so i dont think its hardware problem |
| 10:46.30 | Alver | eh? |
| 10:46.34 | Alver | You're kidding, right. |
| 10:46.52 | woodland | Alver, nope , i am serious, i am in linux here |
| 10:46.54 | steinchen | Xoney, mmh much better.. thanks ;) |
| 10:46.54 | Alver | You are plugging in the headphones in a socket in the speakers? |
| 10:47.05 | woodland | Alver, lol |
| 10:47.12 | woodland | Alver, where else |
| 10:47.28 | xelam | woodland: where are you plugging the headphones into? |
| 10:47.30 | Horde | (gnome-session:11065): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 10:47.36 | woodland | xelam, lol |
| 10:47.38 | Horde | whats wrong with it? |
| 10:47.38 | Alver | woodland: dunno, might be some kinky setup where you have a separate headphone socket next to the speaker socket on the soundcard or something |
| 10:47.53 | Guerin | woodland: into the jack on the soundcard would be normal |
| 10:47.54 | xelam | woodland? |
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| 10:48.00 | woodland | xelam, yes |
| 10:48.02 | woodland | ? |
| 10:48.09 | xelam | 11:47:27 < xelam> woodland: where are you plugging the headphones into? |
| 10:48.12 | _joey | Has anyone installed wifi on debian? |
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| 10:48.21 | _joey | so so frustrating |
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| 10:48.28 | Alver | xelam: I asked that before - he plugs it in the socket in the speaker |
| 10:48.34 | Guerin | _joey: nope. We all use null-modem cables for all our daya transfer requirements. |
| 10:48.34 | Alver | like most pc-speaker systems have |
| 10:48.36 | xelam | right |
| 10:48.44 | tarzeau | i found a new editor that i like: le. anyone uses it as EDITOR= ? |
| 10:48.48 | _joey | Guerin speak for yourself |
| 10:48.58 | woodland | xelam my laptop has 2 socket |
| 10:49.09 | Alver | a-ha |
| 10:49.10 | Guerin | _joey: ask real questions. |
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| 10:49.20 | Alver | woodland: so you gave us bad information :) |
| 10:49.27 | Guerin | !anyone use le |
| 10:49.30 | dpkg | No, no one uses le, not even the people who use it. |
| 10:49.34 | woodland | Alver, i dont see any other socket here |
| 10:49.34 | Guerin | tarzeau: ^ |
| 10:50.16 | Horde | ok i ran gnome-session and got this message "(gnome-session:11065): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:" |
| 10:50.20 | Horde | help? |
| 10:50.21 | _joey | where do i start installing wifi? The card has been inserted in pci slot, it comes with "supported" chipset |
| 10:50.39 | xelam | woodland: you just said there were two |
| 10:50.43 | Guerin | _joey: #wireless |
| 10:50.59 | woodland | xelam, sorry i was wrong , one is for microphone |
| 10:51.06 | xelam | right |
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| 10:51.24 | Guerin | _joey: or be more specific about which chipset |
| 10:51.33 | xelam | I have no idea - the laptop must use some funky audio drivers in Windows |
| 10:51.34 | Alver | Anyone have a clue on why sometimes my usbstick only transfers ~500K per sec, while it's an usb2 device that does 3+ megs a sec usually? |
| 10:52.09 | woodland | xelam, ok |
| 10:52.33 | _joey | atheros chipset |
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| 10:52.53 | Horde | ok i ran gnome-session and got this message "(gnome-session:11065): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:" help??? |
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| 10:53.34 | Alver | usb 4-4: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 4 <<< this should mean usb2, so why do I get low speeds... :/ |
| 10:53.51 | woodland | xelam, i dont understand how there is no facility in linux for stopping sound from my laptop speakers once i plug in headphone |
| 10:54.24 | widrone | Alver: No usb 1.1 hubs in the mix? All cables 2.0 compliant? |
| 10:54.28 | Horde | ok i ran gnome-session and got this message "(gnome-session:11065): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:" help??????? |
| 10:54.44 | Alver | widrone: I have usb1.1 also (printer) |
| 10:54.56 | Alver | widrone: the cable is 2.0 compliant, definitely - I did get usb2 speeds with it |
| 10:54.59 | ircdevil | according to xfontsel->fndtry->monotype->fmly-> then courier new is installed. however, selecting it in firefox and printing results in Nimbus-mono crap ... why? |
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| 10:55.27 | afd_ | How do I disable/change the window manager animation when minimizing (gnome 2.12) |
| 10:55.30 | Alver | widrone: the usb2 ports are on a pci-usb2 card so that's a different hub, I bet |
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| 10:56.14 | ircdevil | -> /NimbusMonL-Regu_iso8859-15 55 f Tf |
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| 10:57.20 | Alver | widrone: what I did notice is that the device changed from sda to sdb |
| 10:57.36 | Alver | ever since, it's been working slow or fast in an apparently random way |
| 10:58.40 | antgel | Horde: why are you running gnome-session? |
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| 10:58.50 | StanTheMan | what is the command to start the debian installer? |
| 10:59.06 | antgel | !tell StanTheMan about ig |
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| 11:00.23 | StanTheMan | antgel: thx, but if the install hadn't puked on me when I did the net install, I wouldn't be having this problem |
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| 11:00.39 | widrone | Alver: I see usb devices that get enumerated when I replug too sometimes. I am on device 36 on one unit. Try to not rearrange to swift, may help. But the speed thing Im not to sure about. |
| 11:00.41 | antgel | StanTheMan: you haven't told us what the problem is |
| 11:00.58 | eTazZ | hello, is anyone had problems with gpdf the last few days ? |
| 11:01.03 | Horde | to start gnome |
| 11:01.07 | Alver | widrone: mhmm... thanks |
| 11:01.29 | widrone | Alver: Try it without the 1.1 printer in the mix and reload modules / run your setup scripts again perhaps. |
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| 11:02.00 | StanTheMan | antgel: yes, I did. The install puked after downloading some stuff for the base install, then after the reboot when the rest of the setup was to continue, somehow all the network settings I had previously entered during the install were lost. So I have been trying to manually edit files just to get the installer to be able to hit the mirrors to get the rest of the files. |
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| 11:02.15 | xelam | woodland: well it's usually hardware controlled... never seen it done by software |
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| 11:02.51 | woodland | xelam, it must have something to do with audio driver for linux |
| 11:03.06 | antgel | StanTheMan: i missed it. if you have an internet connection on the box, run apt-setup, chooe a nearby http mirror, and aptitude install <packages> |
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| 11:03.15 | StanTheMan | angtel: why the installer didn't write the network config info I don't know. But it didn't, as the mirrors couldn't be reached after the 1st reboot of the install process |
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| 11:03.53 | StanTheMan | antgel: ahh. Thank you. Any idea why the install didn't write that stuff? That's a first for me... |
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| 11:04.02 | StanTheMan | angtel: never had that happen before... |
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| 11:04.29 | widrone | Horde: No luck with gnome are you, sorry cant really help you with that. Dont know it at all, any clues from reading more of your error logs? Saw one It looked Xish, didnt really understand it. |
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| 11:05.23 | StanTheMan | angtel: do all the network settings in /etc/network/interfaces and resolv.conf have to be present right now in order to run apt-setup? |
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| 11:06.14 | woodland | i have oe .deb package , how do i install it |
| 11:06.14 | Alver | darnit... this is getting annoying |
| 11:06.28 | Alver | transferring a 700MB file at a rate of less than 500K per sec |
| 11:06.29 | Alver | :/ |
| 11:06.45 | StanTheMan | angtel: none of this was written during the 1st part of the original install. It puked. That's why I've been trying to edit the files manually, just to get IP working so I can start the install again. You see? |
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| 11:08.18 | StanTheMan | angtel: my ip is dead right now, so I can't do squat with the mirrors. I don't know what to other than boot the floppy again and start over. But it might puke again, and leave me right back where I am now... |
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| 11:09.28 | StanTheMan | antgel: you there? I misspelled your nick in my last couple of questions... |
| 11:09.35 | widrone | StanTheMan: You cant get a console with alt+F2 and set it from there (again). |
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| 11:09.44 | xelam | StanTheMan: try that handy tab-complete function ;) |
| 11:10.01 | StanTheMan | xelam: thx |
| 11:11.03 | StanTheMan | xelam: is there an easy way (util maybe) to get my ip set up correctly, without having to manually edit all the files in /etc/networks and resolv.conf? |
| 11:11.29 | xelam | you only need to edit two files |
| 11:11.48 | xelam | /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/resolv.conf |
| 11:12.02 | xelam | but I don't think there's a program to do that for you |
| 11:12.07 | xelam | at least, I've never used one |
| 11:12.10 | StanTheMan | xelam: I can't seem to get the syntax correct, and the example in man interfaces is hacked up for a laptop user and doesn't make sense to me at all |
| 11:12.18 | fireba11 | lol .. classical windows .. got no driver for the sata-conrtoller so i don't see any disks, and only accepts a FLOPPY with the driver .. good i use debian whenever possible |
| 11:12.56 | xelam | StanTheMan: are you using DHCP or static (manual) settings? |
| 11:13.10 | StanTheMan | xelam: static |
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| 11:13.46 | StanTheMan | xelam: I have "auto lo eth0" on one line |
| 11:14.05 | StanTheMan | xelam: then iface eth0 inet static on the next line |
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| 11:14.25 | beanz | Why does sasl expect plain text passwords when talking to mysql? |
| 11:14.26 | xelam | right |
| 11:14.34 | StanTheMan | xelam: then on each of the next 4 lines, the address, netmask, network, and gateway |
| 11:14.45 | xelam | right |
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| 11:15.08 | neonatus | sorry to bother you guys again, but has anyone been able to compile a 2.4.x kernel on debian sid recently? |
| 11:15.23 | StanTheMan | xelam: everything else is commented with # |
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| 11:15.40 | xelam | StanTheMan: well that looks ok then I image |
| 11:15.42 | xelam | imagine |
| 11:15.42 | StanTheMan | xelam: but when I do an ifdown -a or ifup -a i get errors |
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| 11:15.57 | Noid | neonatus: what's the problem? |
| 11:16.16 | StanTheMan | xelam: "ignoring unknown interface lo=lo" is what i get |
| 11:16.18 | xelam | StanTheMan: ask me in 40 mins when im at work |
| 11:16.59 | StanTheMan | xelam: thx for the help. Any idea what the "lo=lo" is about? Before you leave for the office? |
| 11:17.16 | HellKat | How do I use .run Files? |
| 11:17.20 | jm_ | that usually happens when you mess with things and ifstate file has differnt state than the tools expect, down your interfaces, remove the iftstate file and try again |
| 11:17.22 | HellKat | is it ./<filename> ? |
| 11:17.23 | StanTheMan | xelam: and what does the "lo" mean anyway? |
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| 11:17.50 | bannedit | lo is the local loop interface |
| 11:18.17 | StanTheMan | jm_: was that for me? |
| 11:18.20 | jm_ | StanTheMan: yup |
| 11:18.26 | StanTheMan | bannedit: thx |
| 11:18.46 | StanTheMan | I thought that's what "lo" was, but the damn example in man had lo on the same line as eth0 |
| 11:18.59 | StanTheMan | apparently the man page needs a rewrite |
| 11:19.02 | jm_ | that's for auto line so it's normal |
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| 11:19.27 | neonatus | Noid the problem is this... |
| 11:19.35 | HellKat | there needs to be a complete rewrite of man, infact there needs to be manfd (Manual for Dummies) |
| 11:19.42 | neonatus | Noid gcc-2.95 -D__KERNEL__ -I/home/new_usr/src/linux-2.4.31-neonatus.net/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -march=i686 -nostdinc -iwithprefix include -DKBUILD_BASENAME=process -c -o process.o process.c |
| 11:19.43 | neonatus | {standard input}: Assembler messages: |
| 11:19.43 | neonatus | {standard input}:732: Error: suffix or operands invalid for `mov' |
| 11:19.54 | neonatus | and than error and exit of compiule |
| 11:20.17 | neonatus | I also tried 3.2, 3.3 and 3.4 compilers |
| 11:20.18 | StanTheMan | jm_: please do "man 5 interfaces" and tell me that it's not hard for someone to misunderstand the syntax format due to the man example, specifically the first stanza listed |
| 11:20.24 | HellKat | How do I execute quake4-linux-1.0.2147.12.x86.run ? |
| 11:20.55 | widrone | StanTheMan: Its in the auto since youre supposed to bring up a localhost aswell. Remove the lo from auto or better add the lo info to the file. |
| 11:20.55 | Noid | neonatus: hmmm that's over my head, sorry |
| 11:21.10 | Guerin | HellKat: follow the instructions from wherever you downloaded it |
| 11:21.16 | Guerin | HellKat: this is not a debian problem |
| 11:21.18 | StanTheMan | k |
| 11:21.20 | jm_ | StanTheMan: it's not hard for someone to misunderstand the syntax format ;) |
| 11:21.34 | HellKat | Guerin: They didnt give me instructions,, its just a newbie linux question. |
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| 11:21.57 | Guerin | HellKat: are you saying id software gives NO instructions for how to run their linux port? |
| 11:22.01 | Konky | can someone take a look at "http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/lkA9Tk33.html" ? |
| 11:22.03 | Guerin | oh well |
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| 11:22.14 | Konky | looks like a ext3 bug |
| 11:22.37 | Guerin | Konky: what's wrong with that? |
| 11:22.48 | Konky | well 12mb+1mb == 22mb |
| 11:23.00 | Guerin | Konky: man du |
| 11:23.13 | Guerin | Konky: you're tallying dirs only, not files within . |
| 11:23.37 | Konky | hm du does not include "."? ^^ |
| 11:23.53 | Guerin | Konky: it does. Read the manpage for explication. |
| 11:24.04 | Guerin | it's TELLING you how much is in . |
| 11:24.09 | Guerin | 22MB |
| 11:24.09 | Alver | Konky: the files inside . that are not in subdirs make up the difference |
| 11:24.31 | StanTheMan | jm_: thx. I got it now. RM'ing the ifstate file did it, and I can ping public hosts by FQDN now, so IP is working again. Now, how can I restart (or finish) the install process? Just reboot and the installer will autostart again since it was interrupted? |
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| 11:25.05 | Konky | damn ok |
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| 11:25.11 | Konky | ty |
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| 11:26.56 | lw | good day! |
| 11:27.05 | jm_ | StanTheMan: when was it interrupted? |
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| 11:27.40 | lw | where can i find a adress for unfree sources? ftp.uni-stuttgart doesnt seem to have them |
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| 11:27.53 | StanTheMan | jm_: before the base install finished. right after the first reboot that the install requires. |
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| 11:27.58 | Guerin | lw: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 11:28.12 | Guerin | lw: or use an official mirror |
| 11:28.17 | antgel | StanTheMan: try and install something with aptitude |
| 11:28.25 | jim | lw: just add contrib non-free after "main" in your /etc/apt/sources.list, then do apt-get update |
| 11:28.27 | StanTheMan | jm_: it died after the reboot because the net setttings were hosed. I'm doing a net boot install from floppies. |
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| 11:29.20 | lw | Guerin: where can i find those official mirrors? |
| 11:29.29 | lw | or better: their address? |
| 11:29.39 | jim | lw: www.debian.org |
| 11:29.51 | StanTheMan | antgel: I'd really just like to finish the normal install process... :( |
| 11:29.56 | Guerin | lw: apt-setup |
| 11:29.59 | jm_ | StanTheMan: you can run base-config by hand if you want if it still applies to Sarge, otherwise perform the steps mentioned by installation manual for installations using debootstrap |
| 11:30.00 | jim | don't you already have a mirror address in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 11:30.18 | Guerin | jim: he does, but he claims it doesn't have non-free; thus it must not be official |
| 11:30.22 | lw | yes, ftp.uni-stuttgart |
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| 11:30.26 | Guerin | or he might just be wrong |
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| 11:30.33 | antgel | StanTheMan: if you can log in as root, you have a base install. |
| 11:30.40 | lw | but they seem to not mirror unfree sources |
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| 11:30.49 | jim | so he doesn't understand completely |
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| 11:30.55 | xinming | hmm, every time the machine starts, it will be hang on starting exim4, So, would anyone here can tell me how to configure it? I've used base-config and config the exim4 for local dilivery only. but still doesn't work. |
| 11:31.07 | jim | lw: how do you know that? |
| 11:31.08 | StanTheMan | jm_: i'm doing woody, since that's the bootdisks i have. I was going to do an apt upgrade to sarge after I got my custom SMP kernel built for 2.6. I just need a working woody first. |
| 11:31.20 | lw | well apt-update says so |
| 11:31.27 | jm_ | StanTheMan: then base-config shall work |
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| 11:31.48 | lw | or at least i interpret it that way? |
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| 11:31.48 | StanTheMan | antgel: ahh, i got ya. Yes, I can login as root, or the user I created. |
| 11:31.49 | jim | ok, so show us one uncommented line starting with deb in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:31.49 | ircdevil | can somoeone suggest me a nice ttf mono-space font - which is not courier new? |
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| 11:31.57 | jm_ | you should make sure you have proper tool to use 2.6 kernel on Woody system |
| 11:32.00 | StanTheMan | antgel: so now i just need to add packages i guess |
| 11:32.06 | jim | what precisely does it say? |
| 11:32.08 | N0S3 | hello |
| 11:32.10 | Alver | xinming: hang, or stall? |
| 11:32.25 | forkqueue | Hey ppl, can anyone give me some pointers on recompiling the kernel for the debian installer? |
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| 11:32.29 | Alver | xinming: I've had some (rare) occasions where exim would need a while to timeout before booting continued |
| 11:32.31 | jim | lw: and show us that line I asked for please |
| 11:32.38 | Alver | usually when my network was down, iirc |
| 11:32.39 | antgel | StanTheMan: exactly |
| 11:33.17 | StanTheMan | I'm actually just thinking of getting 2.4 up for woody for now, and getting postfix running for smart relaying, then moving to 2.6 and sarge later |
| 11:33.25 | ircdevil | i hate firefox |
| 11:33.28 | ircdevil | hate hate hate |
| 11:33.30 | lw | jim: deb http://ftp.uni-stuttgart.de/debian/ stable main contrib nonfree |
| 11:33.35 | Guerin | StanTheMan: it's easier to do on sarge |
| 11:33.42 | StanTheMan | I have my 2.4 kernel image on floppy somewhere but i can't find it... |
| 11:33.44 | jim | lw: non-free |
| 11:33.48 | lw | ah ;) |
| 11:33.50 | Zugschlus | Alver: see the entry in "Run-Time Issues" in /usr/share/doc/exim4-base/README.Debian.gz for possible causes |
| 11:33.53 | Guerin | StanTheMan: it's FAR easier to upgrade to sarge on a clean, fresh install |
| 11:33.55 | lw | my foult ;) |
| 11:34.00 | jim | try that, see if it works |
| 11:34.27 | StanTheMan | I built one with no modules, and just the smp support and static kernel drivers for my exact harware |
| 11:34.31 | Guerin | StanTheMan: come to that, it's far easier to install sarge instead of woody in the first place, but you appear to like doing things the hard way. |
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| 11:35.01 | Alver | Zugschlus: thanks, but it was xinming who had the prob... I haven't seen it happening here in a long, long time |
| 11:35.10 | Alver | Zugschlus: I'm trying to figure out an usb2 issue |
| 11:35.17 | chedabob | can anybody help me with mounting an sfs drive? |
| 11:35.34 | jim | sfs? |
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| 11:35.44 | chedabob | ye i ran fdisk and it says my drive is sfs |
| 11:35.53 | StanTheMan | Guerin: i don't currently have a Linux box up and running, and thus it would have been a pain in the arse to download the new floppy boot net install disk images from debian, and then try to write them to disk with winblows. So i just used the last set of net boot disks I have, which is woody |
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| 11:36.13 | jim | how exactly do you run fdisk/ |
| 11:36.14 | lw | thx, works! |
| 11:36.16 | airox | I've got a NIC in my machine that has BNC and UTP connectors. It's activited by epic100 driver. Can I list the media types it has so I can use it for ifconfig ethX media <type> to set the right media type ? |
| 11:36.18 | chedabob | typed fdisk |
| 11:36.27 | jim | lw: you're welcome; glad it worked out |
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| 11:36.43 | xinming | Alver: hmm, I think, I should say it needs to timeout. |
| 11:36.47 | jm_ | airox: that's usually documented in driver docs |
| 11:36.51 | Guerin | StanTheMan: you poor bastard ... having to do stuff in windows. |
| 11:36.52 | jim | lw: notice what info we needed to solve this problem |
| 11:36.53 | StanTheMan | Guerin: and I didn't know how to change the sources.list file DURING the install process |
| 11:37.20 | Guerin | StanTheMan: well, now that you have base installed, get your box upgraded to sarge. Do it before you start installing and configuring stuff. |
| 11:37.21 | StanTheMan | Guerin: so really the only choice I had was to just install woody for now. |
| 11:37.23 | jim | is there a quake4 demo? |
| 11:37.29 | Guerin | StanTheMan: yeah, i see. |
| 11:37.29 | chedabob | should be |
| 11:37.33 | redrumpwns | what the hell is debain anyways? |
| 11:37.42 | chedabob | lol |
| 11:37.43 | Guerin | redrumpwns: debain? never heard of it. |
| 11:37.43 | jim | !debain |
| 11:37.44 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 11:37.45 | jm_ | quake 4 has been released, demo is overdue by now |
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| 11:37.48 | StanTheMan | Guerin: apt-get install dist-upgrade ? |
| 11:37.55 | StanTheMan | Guerin: am i close? |
| 11:37.57 | redrumpwns | ... |
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| 11:37.59 | shay | without the "install" |
| 11:37.59 | shay | just dist-upgrade |
| 11:38.02 | StanTheMan | Guerin: been a while.... |
| 11:38.03 | Guerin | StanTheMan: ask dpkg about woody->sarge |
| 11:38.08 | StanTheMan | thx |
| 11:38.09 | redrumpwns | so what da hell is it? |
| 11:38.14 | chedabob | redrumpwns: a linux distro |
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| 11:38.20 | Guerin | redrumpwns: read on debian.org |
| 11:38.20 | jim | redrumpwns: it's a operating system (like windows is an operating system) |
| 11:38.25 | redrumpwns | whats a distro? |
| 11:38.29 | chedabob | distribution |
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| 11:38.41 | redrumpwns | so its like linux? |
| 11:38.44 | chedabob | it is |
| 11:38.45 | redrumpwns | or is it linux |
| 11:38.46 | chedabob | linux |
| 11:38.47 | redrumpwns | ? |
| 11:38.48 | jim | it uses linux |
| 11:39.01 | woodland | hi i have trouble playing song at http://www.musicindiaonline.com/p/x/1q3m_BZ9C9.As1NMvHdW/ ..... can somebody help |
| 11:39.04 | shay | lunix is the rox |
| 11:39.16 | jim | actually it can use other kernels too, I believe... hurd and freebsd |
| 11:39.20 | chedabob | i moved to ubuntu cos im a n00b |
| 11:39.23 | shay | jim, and netbsd |
| 11:39.39 | redrumpwns | then wat is ubuntu? |
| 11:39.47 | chedabob | debian for n00bs |
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| 11:39.54 | jim | it's like debian kinda |
| 11:39.55 | chedabob | i think :P |
| 11:40.01 | StanTheMan | Guerin: btw, my intention is to keep this box stripped to the bone, with the exception of postfix. Do I really need all the extra stuff in Sarge for this smart mail host? |
| 11:40.02 | jim | but it's not exactly the same |
| 11:40.06 | airox | jm_: I already searched the docs and it gives me a table with a index and media type. But ifconfig eth0 media type 4 doesn't work :( |
| 11:40.07 | woodland | hello |
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| 11:40.11 | chedabob | its based on debian |
| 11:40.13 | Guerin | redrumpwns: if you just went and read the internet sites, you'd know. |
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| 11:40.37 | jim | I'm happy to give him a -short- intro |
| 11:40.39 | pel | remote login as a client with ALT-R in kdm does still not work in Sarge/Etch. Does anybody know about Sid - or when it will be fixed in Etch? |
| 11:40.39 | redrumpwns | so if u ppl know so much bout programs.. |
| 11:40.44 | StanTheMan | Guerin: as I see things right now, all i really need is an SMP kernel, and postfix |
| 11:40.46 | Guerin | StanTheMan: it's just good policy to be running an up-to-date machine. A dist-upgrade to sarge shouldn't install much extra at all. |
| 11:40.50 | redrumpwns | make me a brute forcer for mirc |
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| 11:41.02 | redrumpwns | that actually works.. |
| 11:41.03 | chedabob | woah that was random |
| 11:41.10 | airox | redrumpwns: .... |
| 11:41.11 | Guerin | StanTheMan: for a stripped-bare box, installing woody was potentially a good start - its default install is much less than sarge's. |
| 11:41.15 | jim | redrumpwns: you're aware I bill at $150/hour? :) |
| 11:41.21 | chedabob | hehe |
| 11:41.31 | StanTheMan | Guerin: that's what I originally thought. |
| 11:41.36 | redrumpwns | wow funny |
| 11:41.45 | jim | I'm not laughing tho. |
| 11:41.50 | chedabob | i am |
| 11:41.53 | Guerin | woodland: complain to them that they don't offer the format you want |
| 11:41.54 | chedabob | :d |
| 11:41.54 | redrumpwns | i dont really get the sorta "geek/nerd humor" |
| 11:41.56 | chedabob | :D |
| 11:42.06 | airox | redrumpwns: What are you really doing here ? |
| 11:42.07 | Guerin | redrumpwns: what makes you think it's humour? |
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| 11:42.08 | redrumpwns | but make a password cracker |
| 11:42.08 | chedabob | it wasnt really a nerd joke tho |
| 11:42.25 | redrumpwns | but ur all nerds tho.. |
| 11:42.35 | jim | for illegal things, I would bill higher than 150/hour |
| 11:42.37 | StanTheMan | Guerin: I forgot what all the packages are that I need to build my kernel besides kernel-package |
| 11:42.38 | Guerin | redrumpwns: i'm not a nerd |
| 11:42.41 | woodland | Guerin, they offer real media but i can t play that, i can play other real media files |
| 11:42.45 | airox | redrumpwns: so what ? :) |
| 11:43.03 | Guerin | StanTheMan: libncurses5-dev bzip2 fakeroot kernel-package build-essential |
| 11:43.09 | jim | because you're going to use it to break into things |
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| 11:43.15 | StanTheMan | Guerin: I can't seem to find my kernel image floppies |
| 11:43.18 | redrumpwns | OWWW |
| 11:43.22 | redrumpwns | no shit sherlock! |
| 11:43.25 | StanTheMan | Guerin: thx |
| 11:43.34 | dEMenSE | i'm having a hard time getting my wireless internet working on my laptop, can anyone help? |
| 11:43.36 | jim | and I just am not interested... so I'd bill you very high |
| 11:43.38 | redrumpwns | jim, ur an idiot |
| 11:43.41 | chedabob | redrumpwns: u british? |
| 11:43.41 | SimonRaven | we're hardly nerds... and even if so, cracking into things doesn't make you leet, it makes you annoying at best |
| 11:43.46 | Guerin | !ur |
| 11:43.46 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 11:43.47 | redrumpwns | hell no |
| 11:43.52 | SimonRaven | at worst it makes you a criminal |
| 11:43.54 | antgel | SimonRaven: we're not nerds? |
| 11:43.54 | Guerin | !u |
| 11:43.54 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 11:43.58 | StanTheMan | Guerin: ahh, don't need fakeroot. I never used it. I do the whole process as root. |
| 11:44.03 | Guerin | !dict nerd |
| 11:44.04 | dpkg | could not find definition for nerd |
| 11:44.08 | SimonRaven | antgel: geek != nerd ;p |
| 11:44.11 | chedabob | !dict geek |
| 11:44.12 | dpkg | Dictionary 'geek' (2): computer geek ;; 220 aspen.miranda.org dictd 1.9.15/rf on Linux 2.4.27-2-k7 <auth.mime> <10884783.19416.1129895052@aspen.miranda.org> 150 1 definitions retrieved 151 "geek" foldoc "The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (27 SEP 03)" geek. |
| 11:44.16 | stew | StanTheMan: not the best idea |
| 11:44.18 | Guerin | StanTheMan: that's stupid. |
| 11:44.20 | redrumpwns | OK OK |
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| 11:44.24 | jim | (and you know, we'd need to establish billing, you'd need to provide me with proof of your ID and proof that you have money... yaknow, that kinda stoff) |
| 11:44.53 | redrumpwns | anyways, i already have the chan password.. |
| 11:45.00 | airox | :/ |
| 11:45.05 | chedabob | sure you do... |
| 11:45.05 | jim | because if you don't pay, I want to -easily- be able to come after you |
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| 11:45.15 | Guerin | redrumpwns: 1337. You can hack dondelelcaro and steal his ops! |
| 11:45.18 | bunx | hello |
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| 11:45.27 | redrumpwns | tzz |
| 11:45.32 | redrumpwns | just get the /cs pass |
| 11:45.36 | SimonRaven | redrumpwns: right. and i'm the pope |
| 11:45.42 | chedabob | im sure you have the channel password even though it has no password |
| 11:45.46 | airox | humor :D |
| 11:45.48 | redrumpwns | then ur dead anywyas |
| 11:46.02 | redrumpwns | unless ur german |
| 11:46.02 | chedabob | hehe |
| 11:46.13 | redrumpwns | which u r not |
| 11:46.16 | SimonRaven | who tf is ur? |
| 11:46.20 | StanTheMan | Guerin: why is that stupid? |
| 11:46.22 | redrumpwns | coz germans r stupid and cant spell |
| 11:46.23 | jim | redrumpwns: I took you seriously... the least you could do is be nice |
| 11:46.25 | Guerin | ur was definitely not german |
| 11:46.36 | SimonRaven | redrumpwns: you don't know that. i could be purple for all you know |
| 11:46.39 | chedabob | LOL you mong. |
| 11:46.39 | Guerin | StanTheMan: doing anything as root which doesn't need to be done as root is stupid. |
| 11:46.51 | SimonRaven | what a dumb fuck... |
| 11:46.55 | SimonRaven | *plonk* |
| 11:47.02 | redrumpwns | ill DDos u all |
| 11:47.03 | dEMenSE | How do i enable an On-Board wireless lan device as my internet connection? |
| 11:47.03 | Alver | Why is everyone wasting time on that troll? :) |
| 11:47.03 | redrumpwns | bishes |
| 11:47.08 | chedabob | sure you will... |
| 11:47.10 | jim | you can try :P |
| 11:47.12 | stew | !ops redrumpwns is a troll |
| 11:47.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: redrumpwns is a troll |
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| 11:47.19 | antgel | dEMenSE: you configure and use it |
| 11:47.24 | dEMenSE | well thanks |
| 11:47.26 | woodland | how do i install macromedia flash player |
| 11:47.30 | SimonRaven | that's how i deal with trolls. *plonk* |
| 11:47.31 | Guerin | redrumpwns: c'mon then. My ip is 60.197.208.47 |
| 11:47.34 | dEMenSE | but.. im new at this |
| 11:47.37 | chedabob | hehe |
| 11:47.38 | redrumpwns | hmm |
| 11:47.39 | redrumpwns | ok |
| 11:47.41 | redrumpwns | hold on |
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| 11:47.42 | Guerin | redrumpwns: DOS me if you can. |
| 11:47.42 | chedabob | give him google ip |
| 11:47.48 | Guerin | nope |
| 11:47.48 | SimonRaven | antgel: btw, i was kidding. some of us are nerds |
| 11:47.48 | shay | redrumpwns, try 212.179.213.158 also |
| 11:47.51 | Guerin | that's my real ip |
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| 11:47.59 | redrumpwns | yea ok ok |
| 11:48.10 | redrumpwns | everyone else STFU |
| 11:48.14 | Alver | hah |
| 11:48.15 | Guerin | !guerin's internet |
| 11:48.16 | dpkg | Yes, Guerin has 100 megabit full-dup internet access at home. Yes, it costs him only $30/month. No, no useful ports are blocked and there's no AUP against running servers. No, you can't have a shell on his box. |
| 11:48.16 | chedabob | erm no |
| 11:48.18 | dEMenSE | antgel: anything .. helpful, please? |
| 11:48.20 | Guerin | good luck. |
| 11:48.20 | antgel | Guerin: he already knew that. he's zombied your box |
| 11:48.24 | redrumpwns | dont say anything so i wont hav to look for the ip again |
| 11:48.26 | redrumpwns | EY |
| 11:48.28 | redrumpwns | STFU |
| 11:48.29 | Guerin | antgel: oh yeah ... so he has. |
| 11:48.29 | azeem | dEMenSE: what kinf of WLAN chip do you have? |
| 11:48.37 | Alver | LOL |
| 11:48.38 | chedabob | lets |
| 11:48.39 | dEMenSE | Broadcom BCM4306 |
| 11:48.40 | chedabob | talk |
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| 11:48.42 | jm_ | what a moron |
| 11:48.43 | chedabob | like |
| 11:48.44 | chedabob | this |
| 11:48.46 | Kuku | hi |
| 11:48.47 | chedabob | to piss him off |
| 11:48.50 | chedabob | hi |
| 11:48.50 | shay | yeah |
| 11:48.50 | stew | chedabob: stop |
| 11:48.51 | shay | souds |
| 11:48.52 | shay | like |
| 11:48.53 | shay | phun |
| 11:48.57 | jim | redrumpwns: idiot. he GAVE you the ip. |
| 11:48.59 | Guerin | bah |
| 11:48.59 | chedabob | lol |
| 11:49.05 | Guerin | you fuckwits are worse than he is |
| 11:49.11 | Guerin | hm |
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| 11:49.13 | shay | oh I'll shut pu. |
| 11:49.13 | chedabob | redrumpwns = idiot |
| 11:49.15 | Guerin | still not pwn3d |
| 11:49.16 | redrumpwns | wen u bishes say stuff the ip goes far up there |
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| 11:49.27 | redrumpwns | so i gotta scroll up and look for ir |
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| 11:49.28 | redrumpwns | it |
| 11:49.34 | chedabob | thats the point |
| 11:49.36 | SimonRaven | *sigh* |
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| 11:49.38 | azeem | dEMenSE: I think there is no driver for that one, yet |
| 11:49.38 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*i=me@*.netcabo.co.mz] by RichiH |
| 11:49.38 | *** kick/#debian [RedRum!i=richih@freenode/staff/richih] by RichiH (RichiH) |
| 11:49.39 | Guerin | still doing 3000k/s outbound |
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| 11:49.45 | StanTheMan | Guerin: there a quick way to grab the current sources.list from debian? like all of them? |
| 11:49.45 | Guerin | !beer RichiH |
| 11:49.48 | chedabob | meh |
| 11:49.48 | antgel | dEMenSE: not unless you ask a question demonstrating the efforts you have made and where they failed |
| 11:49.50 | Alver | Guerin: that's quite a nice connection you have there, supposing the info is true |
| 11:49.51 | Guerin | StanTheMan: apt-setup |
| 11:49.58 | StanTheMan | Guerin: thx |
| 11:50.02 | antgel | StanTheMan: apt-setup. told you before |
| 11:50.09 | stew | StanTheMan: why do you want all of them? |
| 11:50.14 | RichiH | Guerin: :) |
| 11:50.18 | azeem | dEMenSE: at least no free one |
| 11:50.18 | Guerin | Alver: it's nice to live in a country with a modern telecommunications infrastructure. |
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| 11:50.25 | chedabob | im lucky if i get 20kb/s outbound |
| 11:50.33 | SimonRaven | @RichiH++ |
| 11:50.38 | StanTheMan | Guerin: btw, did I mention the fact that YOU ROCK! ? :P |
| 11:50.41 | Alver | Guerin: south korea or sweden? I can't think of any other country having such things :) |
| 11:50.42 | Guerin | !mz |
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| 11:50.47 | dEMenSE | antgel: i looked it up in the debian how-to's and found nothing but PCMCIA docs.. google was equally useless (at least at my level of understanding) |
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| 11:50.50 | Guerin | Alver: the former. |
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| 11:51.38 | chedabob | redrumpwns: you had any luck yet? |
| 11:51.52 | SimonRaven | Guerin: unlike the n. 'american' one which is going on ancient history at this rate |
| 11:51.56 | jim | chedabob: he's not here anymore :P site banned |
| 11:52.05 | Guerin | SimonRaven: yeah. |
| 11:52.14 | SimonRaven | chedabob: he got pwnd |
| 11:52.16 | chedabob | oh rt |
| 11:52.25 | Guerin | StanTheMan: i'm aware of that :) |
| 11:52.55 | chedabob | i only saw green writing so i assumed people were just joining |
| 11:52.57 | StanTheMan | stew: not all necessarily, it's just that my sources.list was completely empty (yikes) |
| 11:52.57 | chedabob | or leaving |
| 11:53.07 | jim | SimonRaven: and Al Gore is the father of it :) |
| 11:53.10 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@cust221-8.netcabo.co.mz] by RichiH |
| 11:53.14 | Nurbs | ** (.:25708): CRITICAL **: gtk_pizza_set_size: assertion `pizza != NULL' failed -- vlc |
| 11:53.20 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*i=me@*.netcabo.co.mz] by RichiH |
| 11:53.23 | RichiH | better |
| 11:53.40 | Guerin | still can't figure out .mz |
| 11:53.41 | SimonRaven | netcabo, infamous for allowing spam through |
| 11:53.41 | dEMenSE | azeem: Ok, thanks, i guess i'll keep looking |
| 11:53.47 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:53.49 | jm_ | Guerin: it's in iso3166.tab |
| 11:53.51 | Guerin | but I think it lies |
| 11:53.52 | jim | that would make it a little harder to get in unless he changes his ip |
| 11:53.56 | SimonRaven | !country mz |
| 11:53.57 | dpkg | Country codes are at http://www.ics.uci.edu/pub/websoft/wwwstat/country-codes.txt |
| 11:54.11 | Guerin | jm_: ah, was trying to find that file |
| 11:54.13 | SimonRaven | mozambique |
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| 11:54.21 | Guerin | oh, of course |
| 11:54.24 | Guerin | heh |
| 11:54.24 | chedabob | jim: judging by the fact he didnt know what linux is i dont think he'll be able to get back in |
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| 11:54.37 | Guerin | i bet all of mozambique together couldn't ddos me :) |
| 11:54.41 | stew | chedabob: he did know what linux is |
| 11:55.25 | woodland | how do i install macromedia flash player |
| 11:55.47 | chedabob | i would say a package but im probably wrong :P |
| 11:55.48 | cheal | !tell woodland about flash |
| 11:56.17 | antgel | bob2: samba 3.0.20 i386 still not in unstable. still sure there's nothing odd going on? |
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| 11:57.05 | cheal | antgel: it built on i386 |
| 11:57.29 | chedabob | whats the difference between 386 and 686? is 686 just for intel? |
| 11:57.36 | StanTheMan | instead of getting all the kernel building stuff on this box, which after being used once is a total waste of space, I'd rather get a prebuilt kernel image. I don't see one with just i686 SMP, PIIX4 IDE, and LNE100Tx (not sure if that's a tulip card or not) |
| 11:57.36 | Guerin | !686 |
| 11:57.36 | dpkg | In a kernel version string, -686 refers to the Intel Pentium Pro, Pentium II, Celeron, Pentium III, Pentium IV, Pentium M (as in the chip used in the "Centrino" brand). not correct for EM64T Xeon/Pentium4's, which should use a -em64t-p4 kernel |
| 11:57.40 | jim | 300 |
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| 11:58.03 | chedabob | can i run 686 with amd athlon xp? |
| 11:58.07 | Guerin | StanTheMan: is disk space really going to be that critical? |
| 11:58.11 | StanTheMan | anyone have a 2.4.x kernel that just has those drivers compiled in? |
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| 11:58.17 | jim | very likely no |
| 11:58.18 | stew | chedabob: for athlon, use a -k7 kernel |
| 11:58.21 | Guerin | StanTheMan: after you delete the source tree, you're probably talking about 30MB |
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| 11:58.34 | StanTheMan | Guerin: not really, but I have all the kernel building stuff on another machine. But it's still over at the other house... :( |
| 11:58.40 | jm_ | plus you can compile such kernel on any Linux box and use it |
| 11:58.47 | chedabob | oh right. i thought k7 was just for chips with a k7 in their names |
| 11:58.57 | stew | !k7 |
| 11:58.58 | dpkg | somebody said k7 was the generic model name for the series of AMD i386-compatible processors which begins with the "Athlon" and also includes the "Duron", "Thunderbird", "Sempron" and "Athlon XP" processors. It does not include the Opteron (k8) family or the older K5 or K6 chips. |
| 11:58.59 | imageek | ok. i have a program (k3b) that i have installed on my laptop, and it shows up in synaptic, but it does not show up on any of my other debian boxes. is there a way for me to query the program or the name of it and see how it was installed? |
| 11:59.05 | StanTheMan | Guerin: unplugged that is, at the other house, with no net conn |
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| 11:59.22 | cheal | imageek: by installing the k3b package? |
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| 11:59.36 | chedabob | lol its sort of obvious that k7 doesnt run with k6 or k5 chips |
| 11:59.50 | antgel | cheal: i can see that. bob2 directed me to http://people.debian.org/~igloo/package-status.php?package=samba. however, it's not in incoming. it's not in unstable. where is it? |
| 11:59.52 | chedabob | laters |
| 11:59.53 | imageek | cheal, i cant. it does not show up in an apt-cache search or in synaptic |
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| 12:00.05 | Laibsch | I run Debian testing on a 2.4 kernel. I can play audio successfully with alsa but for the life of me recording will not work. I have looked to unmute things and worked through !alsa but still no go. Can anyone point me in the right direction? alsa documentation is from the middle ages. |
| 12:00.11 | dekster | hi all |
| 12:00.11 | _joey | what's popular terminal application on linux to connect over serial port ? |
| 12:00.19 | Guerin | !tahwtda StanTheMan |
| 12:00.20 | dpkg | StanTheMan: There's a Hard Way To Do Anything |
| 12:00.28 | seeeS | joey: minicom |
| 12:00.31 | jm_ | _joey: minicom, ser2net and so on |
| 12:00.39 | Guerin | _joey: oh, you took my advice about the null modem cable! |
| 12:00.44 | stew | Laibsch: run alsa mixer and unmute the microphone? |
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| 12:00.51 | cheal | antgel: it's in sid |
| 12:00.52 | dekster | what command I must do to kill the zombie? |
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| 12:01.01 | seeeS | alsa can be a pain in the arse |
| 12:01.16 | jim | dekster: zombies have to be reaped |
| 12:01.22 | antgel | cheal: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=samba |
| 12:01.22 | stew | dekster: /msg dpkg zombie |
| 12:01.24 | _joey | Guerin yeah, I knew you are genious |
| 12:01.27 | StanTheMan | thx dpkg |
| 12:01.36 | jim | which means that the owning process must wait() on them |
| 12:02.02 | jim | Guerin: he says you're generous! |
| 12:02.23 | cheal | antgel: just wait before it's updated. you could consider these pages buggy for not displaying when they were built |
| 12:02.29 | Guerin | jim: i thought he said I was gangrenous |
| 12:02.57 | jim | hmm, I guess it could have been that... |
| 12:03.06 | antgel | cheal: aha. does p.d.o just update at regular intervals? |
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| 12:03.11 | dekster | stew: /msg dpkg zombie this command isn' t found |
| 12:03.24 | cheal | antgel: AFAIK |
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| 12:03.53 | jim | dekster: you type that into your irc client |
| 12:04.05 | cheal | imageek: you must not be trying hard, or your sources need fixing |
| 12:04.12 | jim | dekster: there's a whole thing surrounding zombies you might like to know |
| 12:04.18 | stew | !tell dekster about zombie |
| 12:04.25 | imageek | cheal, my sources are the same on all my boxes |
| 12:04.28 | imageek | thats whats so weird |
| 12:04.35 | rx | hi guys.... help me.... my httpd server is still running and working, i can work on my box...but i some program arent respondin and i get this erreor msg when i try to call "free" or "shutdown": |
| 12:04.36 | rx | root@linux:~# shutdown -r now |
| 12:04.36 | rx | -bash: /sbin/shutdown: Input/output error |
| 12:04.39 | rx | wtf is that |
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| 12:04.51 | Guerin | !i/o error |
| 12:04.51 | dpkg | rumour has it, i/o error is if you get i/o errors chances are your medium is bad. Replace your drives or disks, preferably before they eat all your data. |
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| 12:05.12 | imageek | cheal, i am running etch if that helps anyway. |
| 12:05.17 | rx | doubt its the problem since i can actually work on my box |
| 12:05.30 | jm_ | !why is k3b not in testing |
| 12:05.33 | rx | but hey if i cant shutdown properly it will cause problem |
| 12:05.34 | rx | heh |
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| 12:05.41 | dpkg | k3b is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=k3b |
| 12:05.49 | stew | rx: i'd guess you are losing your hard drive |
| 12:05.57 | jm_ | imageek ^^^^^^ |
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| 12:06.01 | imageek | jm_, ok, but i wonder how it got in testing on my laptop |
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| 12:06.08 | imageek | weird |
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| 12:06.13 | antgel | imageek: because at the time it was in testing |
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| 12:06.15 | Guerin | rx: try init 6 |
| 12:06.18 | rx | ok |
| 12:06.23 | aeronadix | what about when your drive every now and then goes clunk, what does that mean? |
| 12:06.23 | shiftscheats | how do i change my kernal to 2.1.6.10 |
| 12:06.25 | Guerin | 6 is reboot, right? |
| 12:06.29 | rx | root@linux:~# init 6 |
| 12:06.29 | rx | Bus error |
| 12:06.32 | stew | rx: check dmesg for har disk errors |
| 12:06.35 | antgel | shiftscheats: get a time machine |
| 12:06.36 | imageek | antgel, ok.. thanks |
| 12:06.38 | dekster | !tell dekster about zombie |
| 12:06.41 | jm_ | imageek: might have existed at some point in time ... |
| 12:06.55 | rx | same input/output error |
| 12:06.57 | SimonRaven | could be corrupt journal, could be full fs |
| 12:07.24 | stew | rx: can you less /var/log/syslog or /var/log/messages? |
| 12:07.25 | cheal | k3b *was* in testing until not long ago |
| 12:07.27 | imageek | k.. just .. weird is all |
| 12:07.28 | antgel | !tell imageek about testing |
| 12:07.31 | rx | ok |
| 12:07.33 | rx | w8 |
| 12:07.40 | aeronadix | how come we talk about such old kernels here. When before when I used to talk about old kernels, everyone would keep saying upgrade kernel. I got 2.6 now and all my problem are gone |
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| 12:07.45 | imageek | its weird because i installed them all in about a 2 week period of each other is all |
| 12:07.52 | SimonRaven | rx: what you'll have to do is reboot, corss your fingers, reboot to -b, run fscks on every partition, replaying journal logs as need be |
| 12:08.01 | rx | ok |
| 12:08.02 | rx | thx |
| 12:08.16 | jim | aeronadix: because sarge is out, and it has a 2.4 |
| 12:08.19 | SimonRaven | rx: sorry, one reboot, to -b |
| 12:08.24 | antgel | imageek: 2 weeks is a long time to a computer |
| 12:08.35 | SimonRaven | i.e. boot: Linux -b |
| 12:08.38 | imageek | antgel, true |
| 12:08.45 | rx | i will try that |
| 12:08.46 | md5sum | hey I forgot how to find out what repo a package comes from with apt...anybody remember? |
| 12:08.50 | shiftscheats | mm 2.6 is on my server |
| 12:08.54 | antgel | md5sum: apt-cache policy |
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| 12:08.58 | rx | im rebooting from the case |
| 12:09.01 | Guerin | md5sum: apt-cache show or apt-cache policy |
| 12:09.02 | shiftscheats | but i need 2.1 for a old ocmputer |
| 12:09.06 | md5sum | ahhh that's right thanks |
| 12:09.18 | aeronadix | I have 2.6 sarge I thought. Like I installed from the debian minimal boot cd. which was 2.4 and it was sarge I think, then I upgraded to 2.6. How do you know when you have sarge or woody or what? |
| 12:09.21 | Guerin | shiftscheats: 2.1? linux 2.1? are you serious? |
| 12:09.25 | antgel | shiftscheats: don't rip it. 2.1 was a development stream |
| 12:09.36 | shiftscheats | yes i am seriouse |
| 12:09.38 | SimonRaven | rx: be aware that the "-b" environment is very limited, and doesn't mount anything. that's partly the point to -b. but it does allow you to run fscks |
| 12:09.39 | jim | yeah, 2.1.what? |
| 12:09.51 | imageek | thanks guys |
| 12:09.51 | antgel | aeronadix: how can you not know what os you have installed? |
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| 12:09.53 | shiftscheats | 2.1.6.10 |
| 12:09.54 | rx | ok |
| 12:09.55 | rx | thx |
| 12:10.02 | Guerin | shiftscheats: hahahaha |
| 12:10.03 | Guerin | haha |
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| 12:10.09 | jim | aha, you're not so familiar with linux :) |
| 12:10.11 | antgel | shiftscheats: *sigh* why do you need that? |
| 12:10.12 | aeronadix | antgel, no thanks |
| 12:10.13 | SimonRaven | might have a problem with / though |
| 12:10.30 | shiftscheats | cause my old wire less card drivers screw up with the new kernal |
| 12:10.30 | rx | im gonna have to plug a monitor on it |
| 12:10.39 | SimonRaven | alternate /'s are a nice idea ;) |
| 12:10.40 | rx | heh |
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| 12:10.50 | shiftscheats | kernel* |
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| 12:11.02 | Tortel | ahhhh |
| 12:11.07 | Guerin | yeah |
| 12:11.10 | Tortel | what does init 6 do? |
| 12:11.12 | Tortel | :P |
| 12:11.16 | SimonRaven | reboot |
| 12:11.24 | Guerin | because 2.1 kernels had awesome wireless support |
| 12:11.32 | jim | antgel: that version number does not exist... and it's quite likely that 2.1.6 was highly unstable |
| 12:11.39 | Tortel | lol |
| 12:11.43 | md5sum | !lol |
| 12:11.43 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 12:11.46 | antgel | jim: i know |
| 12:11.47 | SimonRaven | riight, and i have a purple mole on my forehead |
| 12:11.49 | shiftscheats | o well im fuc*ed |
| 12:11.49 | stew | shiftscheats: what wireless chipset are you using that "needs" 2.1? |
| 12:11.56 | md5sum | <---- violates his own rule |
| 12:12.02 | md5sum | actually it's not mine I guess |
| 12:12.03 | Guerin | i think he means 2.6.10 |
| 12:12.09 | aeronadix | Is there a sarge 2.2, 2.4, and 2.6 kernel, is that how it works? |
| 12:12.11 | jim | SimonRaven: I didn't know popes could have purple moles! |
| 12:12.14 | antgel | Guerin: which isn't in debian |
| 12:12.17 | antgel | aeronadix: no 2.2 |
| 12:12.18 | SimonRaven | Guerin: sounds plausible |
| 12:12.19 | Guerin | but I think he's smoked too many bowls tonight to realise this fact |
| 12:12.19 | shiftscheats | ACX100/111 |
| 12:12.26 | SimonRaven | jim: hehe |
| 12:12.27 | shiftscheats | wait it should work |
| 12:12.29 | Guerin | antgel: no. |
| 12:12.33 | Guerin | aeronadix: no |
| 12:12.35 | Guerin | antgel: yes. |
| 12:12.41 | stew | yeah he must mean 2.6.10 |
| 12:12.53 | shiftscheats | yeah thatd be it |
| 12:12.53 | aeronadix | antgel, I don't think there ever was a 2.2 sarge kernel. |
| 12:13.00 | Guerin | 80 working days until I can smoke bowls again! |
| 12:13.06 | aeronadix | I think woody was the last 2.2 |
| 12:13.13 | jim | he doesn't know what he wants, and doesn't know what he'd be getting |
| 12:13.16 | md5sum | Guerin: gonna get some 'dro? :) hehe |
| 12:13.21 | SimonRaven | Guerin: 80 days til your contract ends? |
| 12:13.34 | Guerin | SimonRaven: Feb 28, 2006 |
| 12:13.36 | Tortel | or probation.... |
| 12:13.40 | SimonRaven | ah ok |
| 12:13.40 | Guerin | SimonRaven: note WORKING days |
| 12:13.43 | Tortel | :P |
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| 12:13.46 | SimonRaven | yah =) |
| 12:13.50 | antgel | Guerin: and you're _looking forward_ to it? |
| 12:14.13 | Guerin | antgel: hell yeah. It's going to be the start of the most awesome six months of my life. |
| 12:14.21 | md5sum | hahaha |
| 12:14.23 | SimonRaven | wee |
| 12:14.26 | Guerin | and the most dangerous :) |
| 12:14.34 | antgel | Guerin: i suppose it's in the eye of the beholder |
| 12:14.37 | shiftscheats | shit sorry guys i asked my little brother to work out his problems for himself cause he wanted to set up the old computer but yeah it is 2.6.10 |
| 12:14.38 | SimonRaven | should be a blast |
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| 12:14.50 | Guerin | antgel: yeah. Some people like to stay at home... |
| 12:14.57 | antgel | shiftscheats: that's not in debian. please go and read some documentation etc |
| 12:15.06 | Guerin | shiftscheats: i hear vitamin C can bring you down |
| 12:15.11 | Guerin | eew, trance |
| 12:15.13 | antgel | Guerin: me too. but why ruin it by getting battered? |
| 12:15.17 | Guerin | I don't smoke weed to trance |
| 12:15.19 | antgel | good trance! |
| 12:15.27 | antgel | !pal md5sum |
| 12:15.31 | Guerin | antgel: no such thing as good trance., |
| 12:15.43 | Guerin | antgel: battered? |
| 12:15.46 | antgel | at least put on tales from topographic oceans |
| 12:15.55 | antgel | Guerin: battered == stoned |
| 12:15.56 | SimonRaven | it's amazing... some people get dsl accounts just so they can send spam... |
| 12:15.59 | Tortel | !dpkg -i omFg.deb |
| 12:16.01 | petemc | Guerin: look into trepanning - almost undetectable, so long as you wear a hat! |
| 12:16.02 | md5sum | Guerin: I don't like it either, but it seems to be the popular thing now for some reason... I like electro and old school breaks myself, but it just doesn't seem to work for most people |
| 12:16.20 | Guerin | antgel: i don't intend to be stoned for the ENTIRE trip |
| 12:16.26 | Guerin | it'd make border crossings unnerving |
| 12:16.36 | md5sum | haha |
| 12:16.37 | Guerin | more unnerving than they will be already |
| 12:16.37 | jm_ | or not ;))) |
| 12:16.40 | SimonRaven | fuck yeh |
| 12:16.43 | antgel | md5sum: how about music made by musicians and instruments as opposed to computers? |
| 12:16.45 | SimonRaven | jm_: hehe |
| 12:16.47 | Guerin | petemc: hah |
| 12:16.52 | md5sum | antgel: no thanks |
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| 12:16.53 | antgel | Guerin: where you going? |
| 12:17.00 | Guerin | antgel: the UK |
| 12:17.03 | antgel | md5sum: you'll grow out of it |
| 12:17.04 | SimonRaven | antgel: wow, what a concept ;) |
| 12:17.14 | md5sum | antgel: and DJs are just as much musicians with their turntables for musical instruments |
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| 12:17.23 | antgel | Guerin: pop over some time |
| 12:17.27 | jim | md5sum: not really |
| 12:17.27 | antgel | !pal md5sum |
| 12:17.28 | Tortel | is there a way to stream a internet radio from my computer? |
| 12:17.37 | Guerin | Tortel: depends. |
| 12:17.43 | Tortel | in gnome |
| 12:17.48 | md5sum | !fish antgel |
| 12:17.53 | Guerin | antgel: if i make it in one piece, I will. |
| 12:17.59 | jim | "Yeah, dude... I play the stereo!" |
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| 12:18.12 | SimonRaven | Guerin: i think you folks will |
| 12:18.15 | jim | some singers are not really musicians |
| 12:18.15 | antgel | md5sum: come back when you have listened to led zeppelin, rush, yes, 70's genesis, gentle giant, dream theater, basically any band i like :P |
| 12:18.28 | TTT | hi, AFAIK there were packages in debin that help you autodetect & setup X windows, how are they called? |
| 12:18.31 | Guerin | SimonRaven: we're taking an irish dictor of biology with us |
| 12:18.38 | Guerin | SimonRaven: called Oswald |
| 12:18.40 | SimonRaven | oo, nice |
| 12:18.42 | jim | now THOSE are MUSICIANS |
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| 12:18.49 | md5sum | antgel: I do like led zeppelin, bad company, the who, the eagles, acdc |
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| 12:19.11 | petemc | Guerin: is that a typo of doctor, or dictator? ;) |
| 12:19.17 | aeronadix | only crazies are crazy about the oldies. I think queen and hotel california, are gonna steal my sanity |
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| 12:19.32 | jim | antgel: also Jaco, Gary Willis, Scott Henderson, Steve Smith, Billy Cobham |
| 12:19.35 | Guerin | petemc: nope, he really is a phd in some sort of biology |
| 12:19.40 | petemc | nice |
| 12:19.45 | antgel | md5sum: the eagles? i was just discussing with chris the other day how they are so zzzzz. we've got a king crimson / gentle giant trip in the office atm |
| 12:19.53 | Guerin | oh |
| 12:19.54 | Guerin | doctor |
| 12:19.59 | petemc | :) |
| 12:20.01 | Guerin | not dictator of biology |
| 12:20.02 | md5sum | antgel: BB king, etta james, ray charles, muddy waters, dean martin, sinatra... I just like electronica more than any of these |
| 12:20.06 | Guerin | that would just be weird |
| 12:20.09 | aeronadix | eagles |
| 12:20.10 | petemc | twould |
| 12:20.14 | antgel | jim: nice. i'm not a jazz guru, but i know jaco, billy cobham. i like the more fusiony stuff. |
| 12:20.15 | jim | antgel: if you like king crimson... you gotta check out tribal tech |
| 12:20.24 | antgel | md5sum: as i say, you'll grow out of it |
| 12:20.26 | antgel | :) |
| 12:20.27 | jim | I'm telling ya |
| 12:20.27 | md5sum | antgel: their new shit sucks, but I like some of the older albums, like long run and so on |
| 12:20.44 | StanTheMan | md5sum: Ted Nugent is my hero. "Do you believe in gun control Ted?" Response: "Yes. The 2nd shot should land within a 1/4" of the first shot. That's gun control." :P Love Ted |
| 12:20.48 | TTT | um, how do I automatically configure X on debian? |
| 12:20.55 | Guerin | oh god, not ted nugent |
| 12:20.56 | antgel | jim: really? thing is, crim is like ten different bands. i like the more 70's stuff |
| 12:20.56 | md5sum | hehehe |
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| 12:21.07 | antgel | jim: chick corea as well |
| 12:21.11 | jim | antgel: infact... I might be able to prove it to you |
| 12:21.18 | petemc | TTT: sarge should have all you need, otherwise /msg dpkg set up x |
| 12:21.21 | jim | oh man... you gotta hear this |
| 12:21.21 | pumpkin0 | question: howto install/compile the rt2500-module for kernel-image-2.6.8-k7 ? On a 56k-line... |
| 12:21.23 | md5sum | another artist I never really understood how anybody liked is Johnny Cash |
| 12:21.31 | md5sum | god he SUCKS ASS except for ring of fire MAYBE |
| 12:21.33 | Guerin | md5sum: philistine |
| 12:21.39 | StanTheMan | Guerin: not the best artist of all time, no doubt, but I love his politics :P |
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| 12:21.40 | antgel | jim: ooh, and transantlantic as well |
| 12:21.41 | petemc | md5sum: blasphemy! |
| 12:21.48 | aeronadix | StanTheMan goes to the can and take a big woof of his shit |
| 12:21.53 | md5sum | heh |
| 12:22.07 | jim | antgel: before I can do this, go to garywillis.com (the composer's web site) and tell me anything about it |
| 12:22.10 | stew | md5sum: that's like saying "led zepplin sucks except for stairway to heaven" or something similar |
| 12:22.22 | md5sum | stew: no everything led zeppelin does is awesome |
| 12:22.27 | Guerin | stew: ph333r how many people think that |
| 12:22.34 | md5sum | stew: my favorite is d'yer mak'er |
| 12:22.36 | jim | md5sum: that's not true either :P |
| 12:22.37 | antgel | jim: it's in flash so i don't care to :) |
| 12:22.41 | stew | md5sum: yeah you missed my point... |
| 12:22.42 | Guerin | md5sum: bollocks, half of IV and 75% of everything after was shit |
| 12:22.48 | antgel | md5sum: that's a spoof song, yeah |
| 12:22.53 | jim | antgel: you just told me anything about it... so... |
| 12:22.56 | StanTheMan | I actually hate most everything from Ted's musical life. I just like his politics and philosophy. :P |
| 12:22.57 | petemc | Guerin: strong words |
| 12:23.07 | pumpkin0 | question: howto install/compile any additional kernel-module for kernel-image-2.6.8-k7 ? On a 56k-line... |
| 12:23.07 | Guerin | petemc: they are. |
| 12:23.14 | md5sum | stew: no I didn't... you said "something similar" but I was just making sure we were clear about led zeppelin 0wn1n' fr0 |
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| 12:23.20 | antgel | Guerin: nah mate. physical graffiti and presence are up there with best albums ever by any band |
| 12:23.27 | Guerin | meh |
| 12:23.33 | Guerin | i don't dig glam |
| 12:23.38 | jc_ | I have problems with mark packets for bandwidth control using proxy transparent in the same machine where occur the bandwidht control, anybody help-me ? |
| 12:23.43 | md5sum | 1337 5p33k |5 d34d |
| 12:23.46 | jim | glam??!! led zeppelin?! |
| 12:23.48 | jim | heh :) |
| 12:23.49 | antgel | pumpkin0: man modprobe. lots of included modules in the package |
| 12:23.57 | jim | that's not glam :) |
| 12:24.08 | pumpkin0 | antgel: but not the one i need |
| 12:24.11 | Guerin | jim: i can tell this argument is going to get violent |
| 12:24.17 | StanTheMan | what year will it be when we have kernel 5.x.x? |
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| 12:24.31 | jim | Guerin: the 80s hair bands, that's glam :) |
| 12:24.37 | cahoot | pumpkin0: maybe module-assistant can come to help |
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| 12:24.50 | Guerin | jim: Zep were an early 80s hair band |
| 12:24.57 | Guerin | in their latter stages |
| 12:24.57 | pumpkin0 | antgel: crashing on apt-get something... |
| 12:25.01 | jim | Queen, that's glam... ok, I'll give you that |
| 12:25.03 | antgel | Guerin: don't make me plonk you |
| 12:25.11 | stew | pumpkin0: what kernel module are you after? |
| 12:25.12 | Guerin | oh, don't get me wrong |
| 12:25.18 | antgel | pumpkin0: ok, you need to do something... |
| 12:25.20 | pumpkin0 | antgel: rt2500 |
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| 12:25.28 | pumpkin0 | stew: rt2500 |
| 12:25.33 | jim | Kiss was a glam thing, and that was their primary focus |
| 12:25.33 | Guerin | I own the whole lot on vinyl, lovingly stored away in my FIL's garage |
| 12:25.43 | StanTheMan | Hendrix is my taste. The hair bands should have never made it outta the garage, IMHO |
| 12:25.52 | Guerin | it's just that they lost the guts when they got too bug. |
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| 12:26.07 | Guerin | s/bug/big/ |
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| 12:26.12 | jim | they lost the guts when they got too drugged out |
| 12:26.28 | antgel | Guerin: nah. physical graffiti has more guts than most bands' entire output |
| 12:26.34 | jim | which was apparantly all the time, cumulative effect |
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| 12:26.48 | StanTheMan | Steely Dan koo also |
| 12:27.09 | jim | StanTheMan: you're aware they named themselves after a dildo? |
| 12:27.20 | jim | still, they did play well... |
| 12:27.22 | wlinux | good day |
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| 12:27.54 | jim | smooth jazz crossover |
| 12:28.11 | StanTheMan | jim: well, I'm named after a hall-of-famer that was too stupid to hang onto his money, and ended up on the poor farm as a begger.... |
| 12:28.34 | antgel | StanTheMan: stan getz? stanley clarke? |
| 12:28.38 | jim | that describes hendrix too |
| 12:28.39 | StanTheMan | stan "the man" musial, cardinals, 1960s |
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| 12:28.57 | wlinux | what is ldap |
| 12:28.59 | StanTheMan | went flat broke due to having crooks manage his money....sad story really |
| 12:29.00 | wlinux | ? |
| 12:29.08 | woodland | hi while using gaim whenever i type or receive a message this error appears,, libao - OSS cannot set channels to 1 |
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| 12:29.55 | jim | wlinux: a "directory" setup... lets you name things like this.. "ou=org, o=debian" |
| 12:30.05 | stew | !ldap |
| 12:30.06 | dpkg | it has been said that ldap is Lightweight Directory Access Protocol, see http://www.openldap.org for more information. a client/server protocol for accessing a directory service. It is a lightweight version of the X.500 protocol. http://howto.aphroland.org/, or openldap's server is available in the slapd package |
| 12:30.10 | woodland | can somebody help me |
| 12:30.11 | woodland | hi while using gaim whenever i type or receive a message this error appears,, libao - OSS cannot set channels to 1 |
| 12:30.36 | Tuttle_ | I'm going slightly nuts with this. The postfix package in sarge is chrooted and my smtp and smtpd daemons cannot resolve do DNS resolving. Please, help! How can I diagnose the problem? With chroot turned off in master.cf, it works... |
| 12:30.39 | jim | woodland: it wants to play a sound and can't |
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| 12:30.50 | woodland | jim, so what can i do |
| 12:30.59 | jim | find out why |
| 12:31.03 | petemc | or ignore it |
| 12:31.07 | stew | woodland: do you want gaim to play sounds? |
| 12:31.10 | woodland | jim, i can play music |
| 12:31.22 | woodland | stew, ya |
| 12:31.24 | jim | but gaim can't play sounds... find out why |
| 12:31.33 | stew | woodland: are you using oss or alsa? |
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| 12:31.47 | msn | woodland: in the options try using alsa instead of oss |
| 12:31.52 | woodland | stew, i dont know how do i find out |
| 12:31.52 | jim | woodland: it's already interesting that you can play music but gaim can't play sounds |
| 12:32.06 | seeeS | tuttle: any strange nsswitch.conf entries? |
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| 12:32.08 | woodland | jim, lol |
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| 12:32.18 | stew | woodland: "lsmod | grep snd" that will either return a bunch of snd_ modules or none |
| 12:32.28 | woodland | stew, |
| 12:32.29 | woodland | ok |
| 12:32.48 | stew | jim: i'm guessing its becuase the sound card is already in use |
| 12:32.58 | woodland | stew, that didnt return anything |
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| 12:33.01 | jim | woodland: it's a piece of information you can use to figure out what the problem is... similar to "hmm, is my computer pluged into the house power?" |
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| 12:33.11 | stew | woodland: what sound card do you have? |
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| 12:33.19 | woodland | stew, nvidia |
| 12:33.19 | stew | woodland: and what does "uname -r" say? |
| 12:33.21 | chedabob1 | can i ask about ubuntu because im getting no help from their own irc channel |
| 12:33.22 | TheAsp | How can I change the device yarid uses for the rootfs? |
| 12:33.35 | antgel | chedabob1: no |
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| 12:33.36 | stew | !they don't know |
| 12:33.36 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 12:33.47 | woodland | stew, 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 12:33.48 | aeronadix | how do you something like uname to find out if your are running, woody, sarge or what? |
| 12:34.03 | airox | hehehe |
| 12:34.20 | jm_ | aeronadix: /etc/debian_version |
| 12:34.21 | jim | aeronadix: a guess is made based on kernel version |
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| 12:34.27 | stew | ugh, nvidia |
| 12:34.30 | stew | !nvsound |
| 12:34.31 | dpkg | nvsound is probably nvidia's closed-source OSS module. Highly unstable, do not bother using this with nforce1, 3, 4, or cheap nforce2 boards, i810_audio or snd-intel8x0 work fine. However, on some nforce2 boards with "SoundStorm", you may wish to use it (emu10k1-style hardware mixing, and Dolby Digital encoding) |
| 12:34.31 | aeronadix | thx |
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| 12:34.58 | jhaig | Is there an apt source that will provide OpenOffice.org 2 for Sarge? I assume that it will not find it's way into the official release. |
| 12:35.06 | woodland | stew, so what do i do |
| 12:35.36 | aeronadix | jm_ /etc/debian_version says 3.1 |
| 12:35.41 | stew | woodland: i'm sorry, i dunno |
| 12:35.44 | jm_ | aeronadix: /msg dpkg releases |
| 12:35.56 | stew | jhaig: ask #debian-oo |
| 12:36.05 | jm_ | aeronadix: /msg dpkg code names |
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| 12:36.26 | jhaig | stew: Thanks. I didn't know about that channel. |
| 12:36.34 | StanTheMan | grrrr! My bookmard'd 2.4.x kernel build an install page as debian.org has been moved!!! |
| 12:36.49 | StanTheMan | "at" ^^ |
| 12:37.32 | StanTheMan | the current instructions that assume 2.6 look very familiar though...should work? |
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| 12:37.46 | stew | StanTheMan: are you running woody? |
| 12:38.00 | StanTheMan | stew: yes sir |
| 12:38.05 | stew | StanTheMan: then no |
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| 12:38.16 | StanTheMan | stew: make-menuconfig |
| 12:38.19 | nix | hi. i've a small problem. i've a 4 disk raid5 setup based on devfs back in the 2.4.19 days, which i'm trying to upgrade to 2.6. However, when in 2.6.13.4, mdadm -E on any of the 4 raid5 disks tells me that there's no superblock. rebooting to 2.4.19 with the dreaded devfs works perfectly. here's the catch: i used the ...target0/lun0/disc as my MD device instead ofa partition. so my question is, is there a change in devfs's /disc versus the normal /dev/h |
| 12:38.30 | stew | StanTheMan: 2.6 doesn't run on woody |
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| 12:38.53 | nix | and yes, already went from woody>sarge with no sweat. :) |
| 12:39.03 | StanTheMan | stew: then make-kpkg clean |
| 12:39.10 | stew | what? |
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| 12:39.31 | stew | nix: devfs was removed completely from 2.6.13 |
| 12:39.38 | nix | stew: im not using devfs. |
| 12:39.47 | nix | i already switched to using hdX in mdadm.conf. |
| 12:39.58 | nix | however, as i stated: mdadm -E /dev/hdX says there's no suerblock |
| 12:40.05 | nix | it says there is one when i boot to 2.4.19 tho. |
| 12:40.06 | StanTheMan | stew: then make-kpkg --my_custom_name_revision_number kernel_image |
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| 12:40.09 | nix | so im confused. |
| 12:40.23 | stew | StanTheMan: are you trying to build a 2.6 kernel? |
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| 12:40.33 | Tuttle_ | I'm going slightly nuts with this. The postfix package in sarge is chrooted and my smtp and smtpd daemons cannot resolve do DNS resolving. Please, help! How can I diagnose the problem? With chroot turned off in master.cf, it works... |
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| 12:41.06 | jm_ | Tuttle_: is resolv.conf available in chrooted environment? |
| 12:41.08 | StanTheMan | stew: then dpkg -i kernel-image-XXXXXXXXXXXXX.deb |
| 12:41.10 | jim | Tuttle_ chrooted how? |
| 12:41.24 | eye69 | Tuttle_: /var/spool/postfix/etc/resolv.conf |
| 12:41.24 | jim | did debian do it? or did you alter your setup? |
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| 12:41.33 | SimonRaven | nix: simple. the md superblock was built with the devfs names, and since there's no support in 2.6.13 for devfs at all, mdadm sees those names, and since it doesn't match what's there, it says there isn't any. |
| 12:41.43 | StanTheMan | those steps should work for 2.4.27. And that all seems exactly what I did way back when....I built my last 2.4.x kernel |
| 12:41.52 | nix | ok, let me rephrase: why does mdadm -E /dev/hda on 2.6.13.4 say: no super block found, where on 2.4.19, mdadm -E /dev/hda works prefectly fine. |
| 12:42.00 | N0S3 | hello |
| 12:42.07 | Tuttle_ | jm_: yes, the same resolv.conf, copied by /etc/init.d/postfix |
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| 12:42.13 | Tuttle_ | jim: original debian setup |
| 12:42.18 | stew | StanTheMan: was there a question in there somewhere? |
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| 12:42.32 | N0S3 | i have error "dpkg: syntax error: unknown group `Debian-exim' in statusoverride file |
| 12:42.32 | N0S3 | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)" |
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| 12:43.00 | streuner | N0S3: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
| 12:43.01 | Tuttle_ | According to strace, smtpd just reads "/"etc/hosts successfully as it does without chroot, but then just proceeds to communicate with the smtp client, with no visible error. Unchrooted one resolves things before going to the communicate the smtp client and after /etc/hosts reading.. How is the resolving is just skipped without error... ??? :(( I did only the chroot y/n change in master.cf and /etc/init.d/postfix restart |
| 12:43.07 | jim | N0S3: what other information do you suppose we would need to help you? |
| 12:43.08 | honschu | What is a easy editor for my sister? A console editor. |
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| 12:43.18 | StanTheMan | stew: sorta. Those are all the steps listed in the 2.6 instructions, and they will work for 2.4.27. The procedure is the same. Just different source files. |
| 12:43.19 | jim | ae |
| 12:43.21 | jim | nano |
| 12:43.24 | streuner | nano |
| 12:43.28 | StanTheMan | stew: correct? |
| 12:43.29 | jim | NOT vi |
| 12:43.45 | SimonRaven | nix: re-read what i said |
| 12:43.49 | stew | StanTheMan: why are you trying to build a kernel in the first place? |
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| 12:43.57 | stew | StanTheMan: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 12:44.13 | seeeS | tuttle: sounds really broken, you didnt fiddle with postfix (eg recompile)? |
| 12:44.18 | SimonRaven | @tell Kidman -about root |
| 12:44.40 | seeeS | tuttle: did you have /var/spool/postfix/etc/nsswitch.conf ? |
| 12:44.48 | N0S3 | streuner "linux:~# dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500 ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 12:44.48 | N0S3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:44.48 | N0S3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:44.48 | N0S3 | linux:~# |
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| 12:45.04 | SimonRaven | um |
| 12:45.07 | N0S3 | how sory |
| 12:45.13 | nix | SimonRaven: so the superblock contains the /dev/ide/host0/blabla device names, instead of /dev/hdX? |
| 12:45.14 | SimonRaven | don't paste here please |
| 12:45.17 | jim | N0S3: rafb.net/paste |
| 12:45.18 | Tuttle_ | seeeS: no recompilation, nssswitch.conf matches |
| 12:45.20 | SimonRaven | nix: yup |
| 12:45.24 | N0S3 | okas |
| 12:45.34 | StanTheMan | stew: SMP, IDE and NIC drivers only, in kernel, no modules, lightweight, small memory footprint, i686 optimizations, fast, svelte |
| 12:45.38 | Tuttle_ | The same config works on my other sarge system... :( |
| 12:45.39 | seeeS | tutt, what version of postfix? |
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| 12:45.52 | SimonRaven | N0S3: read the /topic |
| 12:45.55 | Tuttle_ | seeeS: stable package 2.1.5-9 |
| 12:45.55 | nix | SimonRaven: so, how can it be that mdadm does not find a super block at all on an individial disk when i boot to 2.6? |
| 12:46.15 | antgel | StanTheMan: what makes you think the memory footprint will be much different to a stock image? |
| 12:46.17 | N0S3 | who helped me? |
| 12:46.26 | StanTheMan | stew: but.... I must have missed something with apt-get. I'm getting "no rule to make target 'menuconfig' |
| 12:46.42 | seeeS | tuttle_: hmm, same as mine... ok, you're not usig lwresd or other strange name resolver? |
| 12:46.44 | stew | StanTheMan: what did you apt-get? |
| 12:48.49 | nix | SimonRaven: in other words, if i take a disk from an existing raid array and put it in a different box, mdadm -E /dev/hdX should say "no superblock found"? |
| 12:48.49 | nix | SimonRaven: doesnt make much sense to me tbh |
| 12:48.49 | seeeS | wheeeEee! |
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| 12:49.31 | pumpkin0 | lemmings... |
| 12:49.31 | SimonRaven | nix: um, i feel i'm having to repeat myself. think about it first, ok? same reason |
| 12:49.31 | SimonRaven | oh great |
| 12:49.31 | SimonRaven | rehubbing |
| 12:49.31 | StanTheMan | antgel: and that's for 2.4.x kernels. Back in the 2.2.x days, all my kernels (all SMP btw) were less than 500K |
| 12:49.31 | stew | StanTheMan: did you apt-get a kernel-source package? which? |
| 12:49.31 | jhaig | To use menuconfig you need libncurses5-dev (I think) |
| 12:49.31 | N0S3 | who helped me?? |
| 12:49.32 | seeeS | yeah menuconfig needs ncurses |
| 12:49.32 | SimonRaven | ploink |
| 12:49.32 | StanTheMan | stew: I grabbed everything you mentioned to me before, AND kernel-source-2.4.27 |
| 12:49.32 | stew | StanTheMan: do you realize that if you don't load a kernel module, it doesn't take any memory? and on the flip-side, if you compile something directly into the kenrel it takes up memory if you are using it or not |
| 12:49.33 | SimonRaven | nix: seems to be behaving that way |
| 12:49.33 | N0S3 | there is my error , helpme ! http://rafb.net/paste/results/0ng35U95.html |
| 12:49.47 | Tuttle_ | seeeS: there was some liblwres1 and dnsutils packages, I uninstalled it and restarted postfix, same results :( |
| 12:50.00 | StanTheMan | stew: yes. But I don't load anything I don't need. I've built many kernels in the past (althouth quite some time ago...couple of years) |
| 12:50.00 | stew | StanTheMan: then you unpackaged the kernel-source? |
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| 12:50.26 | stew | StanTheMan: in this case your custom built kernel will NOT be a smaller memory footpring |
| 12:50.30 | StanTheMan | stew: I think I forgot that step, unless apt did it automagically |
| 12:50.31 | stew | *footprint |
| 12:50.40 | jim | N0S3: why is that an error? |
| 12:50.41 | StanTheMan | stew: why you say that? |
| 12:50.42 | nix | SimonRaven: ok, following that theory, recreating the raid with /dev/hdX references should fix my 2.6 problem, correct? |
| 12:50.46 | stew | StanTheMan: what directory were you in when you ran make menu-config |
| 12:50.51 | stew | err make menuconfig |
| 12:50.53 | eleftherios | are there any bug reports regarding php4-mysql for Etch? |
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| 12:50.56 | SimonRaven | nix: mine too |
| 12:51.04 | StanTheMan | stew: ahh.... bingo |
| 12:51.08 | N0S3 | jim sorry |
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| 12:51.14 | SimonRaven | nix: make backups first ;) |
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| 12:51.25 | jim | N0S3: I don't see what the problem is |
| 12:51.27 | nix | thats the problem. its 400GB and i dont have that space |
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| 12:51.35 | SimonRaven | oh fuck |
| 12:51.38 | N0S3 | jim okas |
| 12:51.40 | seeeS | tuttle_: im thinking something is still hanging around from that. usually files dns will work in nsswitch.conf |
| 12:51.45 | N0S3 | jim wait a moment |
| 12:51.45 | nix | so you better be right or ill /slap you ;D |
| 12:52.09 | jim | nix: you could ask for a refund of what you paid... |
| 12:52.25 | StanTheMan | stew: k, in the right dir now. But I forgot the command to extract the kernel-sourcexxxxxxx.tar.bz2 |
| 12:52.42 | SimonRaven | nix: do more research first, then. i'm just observing from what you told us, and my experience with it |
| 12:52.43 | stew | StanTheMan: /msg dpkg tar |
| 12:52.45 | Tuttle_ | seeeS: there is "hosts: files dns" in nssswitch.conf |
| 12:52.47 | StanTheMan | stew: been a long time since I built one, as I said |
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| 12:52.55 | StanTheMan | stew: thx |
| 12:53.00 | stew | StanTheMan: my advice is don't bother |
| 12:53.17 | antgel | StanTheMan: as is mine |
| 12:53.19 | nix | SimonRaven: noone was as dumb as me to create raid5 arrays on devfs, specifically the /disc part. so there's nothing to research :) |
| 12:53.28 | N0S3 | jim , there is my erro ----> http://rafb.net/paste/results/XyBwoH76.html |
| 12:53.55 | seeeS | tuttle: but it is not going to the dns at all? |
| 12:53.55 | StanTheMan | stew: pfft. All the crap I have to do just to get to the make menuconfig step is the bother. Actually building it is super easy once I have all the libs and carp in place, and the packages unzipped |
| 12:53.57 | Tuttle_ | seeeS: I would expect some "file not found" error in chrooted smtpd strace, resulting in bad resolve, but the is nothing, the resolving part is just skipped... |
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| 12:54.09 | jim | N0S3: what exactly are you trying to do/ |
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| 12:54.13 | Tuttle_ | (according to strace) |
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| 12:54.26 | seeeS | tuttle_ resolv.conf in /var/spool... is not a symlink is it? resolvconf can do that |
| 12:54.32 | SimonRaven | nix: well, you could try to recreate that in the devfs kernel, with some norbal (intentional typo) /dev names, then try the 2.6 kernel |
| 12:54.46 | N0S3 | jim, it was installing squid |
| 12:54.54 | Tuttle_ | seeeS: no, all /var/spool/postfix/etc/* are plain files |
| 12:55.02 | jim | what version of debian do you run/ |
| 12:55.23 | N0S3 | jim , debian sarge 3.1 |
| 12:55.32 | SimonRaven | nix: here i go, second guessing myself... blah |
| 12:55.46 | brrrt | hi i installed sarge with exim4 local delivery only, how can i change this now if i want to send to remote addresses too ? |
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| 12:56.09 | stew | brrrt: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 12:56.10 | antgel | brrrt: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 12:56.11 | jim | ok, and this is the squid that comes from sarge? |
| 12:56.16 | jm_ | brrt;reconfigure exim4 |
| 12:56.16 | antgel | stew: snap |
| 12:56.20 | stew | w00t |
| 12:56.21 | brrrt | ahh thx, alot :) |
| 12:56.27 | StanTheMan | stew: the last thing I'm going to need to build one is what driver this darn nic uses. LSPCI tells me it's a Lite-On LNE100TX , but I don't know where to find out what driver I'm currently using for it. |
| 12:56.30 | seeeS | tuttle: are you sure there is nothing strange in the various mmail logs? |
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| 12:56.43 | TTT | um, is there an easier/more user-friendly way to install X than dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (I got X working just fine, i'm just thinking about one of my friends who's a newb) |
| 12:56.48 | antgel | StanTheMan: you really don't need to build one. are you listening to us? |
| 12:56.56 | TTT | * install X => set up X |
| 12:57.05 | antgel | TTT: why is that not user-friendly? |
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| 12:57.15 | TTT | antgel: too many cryptic questions |
| 12:57.18 | StanTheMan | antgel: that may be, but I'm so rusty, I want to go through it just for my benefit |
| 12:57.18 | woodland | how do i install packages with .deb extension |
| 12:57.26 | cahoot | StanTheMan: figure it out from lsmod maybe? |
| 12:57.27 | jm_ | woodland: read the FAQ |
| 12:57.30 | StanTheMan | antgel: know what i mean? |
| 12:57.41 | FeZtBruS | Hi, I just inserted 2gb more RAM in my Debian box (upgraded from 1gb to 3gb), the BIOS counted 3gb, but "free -m" still says I have 1GB (or 883M to be correct) Anyone know what is wrong? |
| 12:57.46 | jim | TTT: then determine their meaning and answer them appropriately for your env |
| 12:57.50 | N0S3 | jim, but exim this uninstalled! |
| 12:57.52 | woodland | jm_, where is it |
| 12:57.53 | antgel | StanTheMan: nah |
| 12:57.57 | jm_ | woodland: read the topic |
| 12:58.04 | TTT | jim: i got X running just fine, i'm just thinging about debian 4 newbs |
| 12:58.10 | woodland | jm_, give me link |
| 12:58.19 | stew | TTT: ubuntu |
| 12:58.25 | SimonRaven | nix: what i did once is, recreate the superblock, by having the array re-sync; now, i didn't change the partitions in any way. i had 2 partitions, each raided up as md0 and md1 (RAID 1 FYI). after the re-sync, i was able to mount them with no data loss. however, i don't know how it's going to behave with the entire drive RAIDed |
| 12:58.26 | StanTheMan | antgel: where do I find what modules are currently running? |
| 12:58.30 | TTT | one of my friends wasn't able to answer the questions and dumped installing X completely |
| 12:58.35 | antgel | TTT: given that it only needs doing once, it's no biggie. if newbies can't rtm then perhaps they should look at ubuntu. |
| 12:58.35 | N0S3 | I think that need to create the group "Debian-exim" |
| 12:58.41 | StanTheMan | antgel: boot log? |
| 12:58.48 | antgel | StanTheMan: apropos modules |
| 12:58.59 | TTT | antgel, stew, why not port this thing from ubuntu to debian? |
| 12:59.07 | Laibsch | stew: Thank you for your reply to my problem with recording via alsa. The mic is unmuted (00 instead of MM) and set to 100. Still no go. |
| 12:59.07 | Tuttle_ | seeeS: I finally found out the problem. |
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| 12:59.29 | antgel | TTT: any one of a hundred reasons |
| 12:59.36 | seeeS | tuttle_: what was it? |
| 12:59.38 | cahoot | Laibsch: no capture switch to toggle? |
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| 12:59.43 | Tuttle_ | seeeS: /var was noexec |
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| 12:59.54 | Tuttle_ | seeeS: so he could not run the resolver so |
| 13:00.00 | seeeS | fezt: its not an old kernel that needs the mem=blah line in lilo? |
| 13:00.11 | seeeS | ah! |
| 13:00.12 | StanTheMan | antgel: sry, I meant driver modules, not generic modules. apropos doesn't tell me about hardware drivers it seems. |
| 13:00.14 | TTT | antgel: reasons like doesn't run on 11 platforms+text mode? I don't see any other |
| 13:00.24 | N0S3 | jim ? |
| 13:00.42 | antgel | StanTheMan: apropos modules directs you to the correct command |
| 13:00.54 | Laibsch | cahoot: I press F4. There is a capture for mic (no bar there, though) and a capture for Capture which is also set to 100. |
| 13:01.01 | stew | TTT: the next version of debian which will be running xorg will be much easier than xfree currently is |
| 13:01.08 | Laibsch | cahoot: I think that should be OK, shouldn't it? |
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| 13:01.13 | SimonRaven | nix: good luck |
| 13:01.16 | TTT | stew: well, this is good to hear |
| 13:01.18 | N0S3 | StanTheMan |
| 13:01.24 | jim | N0S3: you are running the -stable- debian... I don't see how squid install would fail in this way if you are using the -sarge- version of squid. |
| 13:01.38 | antgel | TTT: can't speak for stew, but my reasons include: my system works. i don't have the time. if you want it, then please do it if it's not already being done |
| 13:01.40 | stew | TTT: and this version, becuase of discover and mdetect is much easier than tha last... |
| 13:01.42 | airox | Is there some package that deletes kde (and another for gnome) ? I want to run fluxbox. |
| 13:01.42 | Tuttle_ | seeeS: I know think about how to keep them both: noexec & chroot |
| 13:01.50 | N0S3 | jim, I think that need to create the group "Debian-exim" |
| 13:01.54 | antgel | airox: aptitude |
| 13:01.54 | jim | N0S3: you are running the -stable- debian... I don't see how squid install would fail in this way if you are using the -sarge- version of squid. |
| 13:02.03 | airox | antgel: ah indeed, tnx! |
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| 13:02.19 | jim | Are you using -stable- only in your sources.list? |
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| 13:02.48 | TTT | antgel: i was just wondering if anyone here knows anything about "already being done" things, as stew says x.org config in next version of debian is alraedy easier, so i'm content with that |
| 13:02.50 | stew | TTT: personally, when configuring, here is my process, dpkg-reconfigure, hit enter like a madman, try it, if it doesn't work, I google for someone elses config and use that |
| 13:02.52 | TTT | ok, thanks for info |
| 13:02.59 | Tuttle_ | seeeS: thanks for your time |
| 13:03.22 | TTT | stew, heh, i used to do X -configure, then copy+paste stuff into /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, but that's just me, it's newb-hostile |
| 13:03.28 | antgel | TTT: you can search the development mailing list archives at lists.debian.org |
| 13:03.33 | StanTheMan | antgel: I think the current problem isn't that I have kernel modules installed for my drivers (my mistaken assumption). I'm pretty sure, at this point, that the kernel that the debian installer put on my system has many drivers built into the kernel, and is not loading them as modules. So, how do I find what driver file (***.c) is being used? |
| 13:03.47 | jim | N0S3: this is crucial information... what version of squid are you attempting to install? how does squid relate to exim? |
| 13:03.58 | N0S3 | I think that nesecito to create the group "Debian-exim" to satisfy the dependences, accidentally I have erased the ususario and the group ""Debian-exim" |
| 13:03.59 | stew | StanTheMan: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 13:04.01 | StanTheMan | antgel: I only need the driver file for the NIC |
| 13:04.15 | antgel | StanTheMan: kernel configs live in /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 13:04.17 | stew | my bet is bf24, anyone wanna take idepci? |
| 13:04.22 | StanTheMan | stew: 2.2.20-compact |
| 13:04.25 | stew | oooh |
| 13:04.28 | jim | N0S3: you fail to give necessary info; I do not have time to continue. |
| 13:04.50 | stew | StanTheMan: thats an install kernel, you were supposed to replace that with a real kernel at the end of the install process |
| 13:04.56 | SimonRaven | N0S3: in /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4*.postinst there will be info on what settings to give adduser and addgroup to re-create them |
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| 13:05.07 | StanTheMan | stew: im wanting to compile a 2.4.27. I just need to know what driver (chip) this NIC is using. It is working now with this default kernel. |
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| 13:05.29 | StanTheMan | stew: lol. The install failed. |
| 13:05.31 | SimonRaven | N0S3: but that has nothing to do with squid, i don't think. but i haven't been following, either |
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| 13:05.46 | StanTheMan | stew: I had to finish loading carp by hand |
| 13:05.59 | jim | SimonRaven: how can this fail -at all- if he's running all sarge? |
| 13:06.02 | TTT | StanTheMan: spot the driver for the nic in lsmod, or do lspci -v and see which of the devices is your nic |
| 13:06.11 | jim | agreed |
| 13:06.15 | StanTheMan | stew: anyway, the nic is an LNE100TX. Is that a realtek 8139 knock off? |
| 13:06.24 | stew | i don't think so |
| 13:06.34 | SimonRaven | jim: he removed the user and group for some strange reason, but not the mta |
| 13:06.39 | SimonRaven | StanTheMan: no |
| 13:06.57 | jim | he's failing to supply necessary info; if you'd like to deal with him instead, I have no problem with that |
| 13:07.01 | jim | but he doesn't listen |
| 13:07.08 | SimonRaven | there's a driver for the lnes |
| 13:07.28 | SimonRaven | jim: not the first time he doesn't listen =) |
| 13:07.42 | TTT | lnes? i don't know such a nic driver, strange |
| 13:08.07 | SimonRaven | i pluralised LNE |
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| 13:08.12 | SimonRaven | sorry 'bout that |
| 13:08.12 | nvz | StanTheMan: its a tulip |
| 13:08.17 | SimonRaven | wtf |
| 13:08.24 | jim | I don't suspect a language difficulty, but that's possible... more possible he's just refusing to tell us |
| 13:08.43 | nvz | LNE100TX is supported by the tulip driver |
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| 13:09.08 | StanTheMan | lspci -v shows the Lite-on LNE100TX. HOWEVER, below that is identifies the card by it's manufacturer and model number, which is a Kingston KNE100TX. So does that mean the kernel driver is "Lite-on LNE100TX" and will show up as such in the make menuconfig list? |
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| 13:09.30 | nvz | StanTheMan: tulip |
| 13:09.36 | abrotman | StanTheMan: google "debian driver LNE100TX" if you're uncertain |
| 13:09.53 | nvz | tulip, tulip, tulip |
| 13:09.57 | StanTheMan | thx for the help on it guys |
| 13:09.59 | abrotman | which tulip ? |
| 13:10.06 | jm_ | is nvz Dutch? :) |
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| 13:10.14 | abrotman | yinzer |
| 13:10.15 | nvz | yinzer |
| 13:10.16 | nvz | he |
| 13:10.18 | nvz | h |
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| 13:10.31 | abrotman | which is only funny if jm_ knows what yinzer is :) |
| 13:10.31 | StanTheMan | I think I recall in the tulip docs that the RT8xxx series and most others like it are knockoff of the dec21xxx |
| 13:10.43 | jm_ | abrotman: I remember reading the factoid |
| 13:10.47 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 13:10.53 | abrotman | pittsburghese.com !! |
| 13:11.17 | woodland | how to remove packages that have been installed from source |
| 13:11.35 | SimonRaven | fucking hellbot |
| 13:11.38 | stew | woodland: "make uninstall" in the source directory |
| 13:11.43 | jim | woodland: that you made .debs out ot? |
| 13:11.50 | woodland | ok |
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| 13:12.05 | jim | stew: that works... rarely... :) |
| 13:12.12 | outless | hi |
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| 13:12.17 | nvz | interesting hostname you got there |
| 13:12.22 | stew | woodland: when that doens't work, you have to remove it by hand |
| 13:12.24 | SimonRaven | outless: another name for "inny"? |
| 13:12.39 | TTT | StanTheMan: as far as I remember, DEC tulip was one of the first chips designed for 100 mbit operation, others just used NE2000 clones, and they sucked on 100 mbit |
| 13:12.43 | N0S3 | friends, I don't have the file" exim4-config. postinst" somebody could say some it paginates which I can see it? |
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| 13:12.51 | woodland | stew, so if i have to remove real player, should do that command in the dir of real player ? |
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| 13:13.06 | jm_ | no, realplayer doesn't use make for installation |
| 13:13.08 | stew | woodland: you didn't install real player from source |
| 13:13.09 | abrotman | N0S3: it's one word .. ls exim4* |
| 13:13.11 | SimonRaven | N0S3: apt-get --reinstall install exim4-config |
| 13:13.11 | jim | woodland: careful... debian thinks it "owns" /usr (not /usr/local tho)... so if you install stuff there, you could be interfering with debian packaging |
| 13:13.29 | woodland | jim, |
| 13:13.30 | woodland | ok |
| 13:13.53 | N0S3 | SimonRaven, it is that I have postfix installed at the moment, I don't want exim4 |
| 13:13.56 | woodland | stew, so how do i remove real player if i have to remove it |
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| 13:14.04 | woodland | abrotman, hi |
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| 13:14.07 | SimonRaven | N0S3: make up your mind, man |
| 13:14.09 | abrotman | hi? |
| 13:14.13 | Zugschlus | N0S3: did you install postfix from the Debian packages? |
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| 13:14.37 | stew | woodland: i dunno, check if there are uninstall instructions in the README or INSTALL files |
| 13:14.45 | woodland | ok |
| 13:14.49 | abrotman | N0S3: if you installed postfix via packages .. it would have removed exim4 already |
| 13:14.51 | StanTheMan | I just found it. LNE100TX is the tulip driver. http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2002/04/msg00490.html |
| 13:15.04 | SimonRaven | my bad |
| 13:15.06 | stew | welcome to 5 minutes ago |
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| 13:15.22 | SimonRaven | 0001:02:0e.0 Ethernet controller: Lite-On Communications Inc LNE100TX (rev 20) |
| 13:15.26 | SimonRaven | *grin* |
| 13:15.27 | TTT | StanTheMan: nvz yelled tulip like 10 minutes ago |
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| 13:15.38 | jim | StanTheMan: you just found it? :) you were told three times here :) |
| 13:15.57 | jim | but that's ok... glad it worked out... |
| 13:16.02 | nix | SimonRaven: i think i'll just get the latest 2.4.x and forget about 2.6. too much of a risk =/ |
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| 13:16.33 | TTT | 2.6 works quite nice after you iron all the quirks out |
| 13:16.43 | SimonRaven | nix: yeh. get that backed up somehow in the meantime |
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| 13:17.46 | woodland | abrotman, do u know how to remove real player which i installed following instructions from real.com, i can use apt-get here ,, |
| 13:17.50 | abrotman | !u |
| 13:17.50 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 13:18.17 | N0S3 | abrotman , Zugschlus, if i have installed default exim4 in debian sarge 3. 1, me then with the application aptitude it installs the postfix |
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| 13:18.52 | abrotman | woodland: tar.zg or RPM ? |
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| 13:19.11 | woodland | abrotman, wait let me check |
| 13:19.29 | SimonRaven | N0S3: it does what you tell it to; if you told it to install postfix, then that's what it installs |
| 13:19.30 | N0S3 | then the user "debian-exim" |
| 13:19.59 | TTT | NOS3: dpkg-reconfigure exim4 should help |
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| 13:20.15 | woodland | abrotman, the original file name have extension .bin and then i made it executable by some command given on real.com |
| 13:20.31 | abrotman | woodland: iirc ... it installs to /usr/local/RealPlayer |
| 13:20.32 | TTT | nos3, um don't do that if you installed postfix |
| 13:20.33 | jim | N0S3: if you install postfix it will remove the exim things (like the user and the group) |
| 13:20.36 | SimonRaven | chmod +x ... |
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| 13:20.48 | antgel | TTT: actually it's dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 13:21.05 | TTT | and it's been mentioned before, too |
| 13:21.18 | jim | but I'm done here... he continuously refuses to provide necessary information |
| 13:21.20 | woodland | !k |
| 13:21.20 | dpkg | It's OK. OK stands for Zero Killed. If you keep on saying k, there won't be zero killed for much longer. |
| 13:21.26 | SimonRaven | ravenbird: test2 |
| 13:21.27 | ravenbird | No I'm not online anymore |
| 13:21.29 | jim | so he can pay me if he wants help |
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| 13:21.37 | N0S3 | if, I have installed the postfix, but I am the user" should-exim" and then the user erase thinking that it was useless |
| 13:21.57 | StanTheMan | jim: sry about that tulip issue. I'm mutlitasking (sorta) and looking at a couple of different screens. Miss things here and there in my IRC window.... |
| 13:22.00 | N0S3 | if, I have installed the postfix, but I am the user "debian-exim" and then the user erase thinking that it was useless |
| 13:22.32 | Zugschlus | N0S3: "you are the user debian-exim"? |
| 13:22.33 | jim | N0S3: why would you be the user debian-exim? |
| 13:22.37 | Zugschlus | explain what you mean |
| 13:22.50 | jim | let's see if he'll do that ;) |
| 13:22.51 | woodland | abrotman, there is no /Realplayer under /usr/local |
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| 13:23.20 | abrotman | woodland: then i guess you need to find where it went .. i don't think the realplayer installer has an uninstaller |
| 13:23.25 | jim | woodland: find out where it installed it |
| 13:23.27 | N0S3 | jim Zugschlus I don't use exim, but the user erase and he brought me problems |
| 13:23.36 | SimonRaven | i bet it's in his/her ~/ |
| 13:23.47 | abrotman | woodland: it might be realplayer .. whatever .. updatedb;locate realplay |
| 13:23.49 | stew | i'd bet on /usr/local/bin/ |
| 13:24.03 | abrotman | or rather locate -i realplay |
| 13:24.04 | woodland | abrotman, its under /usr/bin |
| 13:24.05 | jim | N0S3: you're depending on things you shouldn't be depending on then |
| 13:24.09 | abrotman | evil realplayer |
| 13:24.16 | woodland | lol |
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| 13:24.25 | tzafrir_laptop | Hi, I'm trying to convert some file names from ISO-8859-88 to UTF-8 . In the following the iconv seems to do no conversion |
| 13:24.32 | SimonRaven | the realplay binary gets symlinked into /usr/local/bin |
| 13:24.38 | N0S3 | jim , that same friend |
| 13:24.39 | tzafrir_laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:24.51 | tzafrir_laptop | (yes, I know that there's an echo) |
| 13:24.53 | stew | find *? |
| 13:25.00 | jm_ | tzafrir_laptop: tried convmv - filename encoding conversion tool |
| 13:25.05 | jm_ | ? |
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| 13:25.23 | jm_ | tzafrir_laptop: or renameutils? |
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| 13:25.33 | tzafrir_laptop | whereas 'ls -r | iconv -f iso-8859-8' does work as expected |
| 13:25.35 | jim | N0S3: meaning you shouldn't care if debian-exim exists... if you don't have exim installed!! |
| 13:25.49 | tzafrir_laptop | jm_, I'll try that |
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| 13:26.00 | Tortel | !tell ma about ntfs |
| 13:26.16 | jim | !tell ma about pa |
| 13:26.18 | tzafrir_laptop | find: because I don't trust ls when there are unprintable characters |
| 13:26.25 | Tortel | i mis typed me |
| 13:26.26 | Tortel | :P |
| 13:26.30 | woodland | abrotman, so there is /realplayer under my home dir, i think its installed there, so do i have to remove it manually |
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| 13:26.33 | jm_ | tzafrir_laptop: find * is pointless, use find . instead |
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| 13:26.40 | jim | oh, sorry ma :) I didn't know pa was defined :) |
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| 13:26.47 | abrotman | woodland: if you say so |
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| 13:26.58 | Gomo1 | Hi |
| 13:27.06 | StanTheMan | will setting max number of cpus to a value higher than needed (32 instead of 2, for instance) in menuconfig cause any ill effects, such as increased memory usage, bad performace, etc? |
| 13:27.08 | tzafrir_laptop | jm_, didn't want to run 'mv . .', I initially wrote 'find .', though |
| 13:27.14 | Gomo1 | Can you run both apache1 and apache2 in one machine? |
| 13:27.15 | woodland | stew, is oss sound system |
| 13:27.26 | Gomo1 | Because the packages conflict |
| 13:27.32 | stew | !oss |
| 13:27.32 | dpkg | methinks oss is an acronym for Open Source Software that is ironically the acronym referring to 'Open Sound Systems', some very non-free and non-open-source software. It is also Online SAP Support. SAP is VERY non-free. (www.4front-tech.com for OSS) or an acronym coined by Vinod Valipollil in the Halloween document. the "standard" audio drivers in the 2.2-2.4 series of Linux kernels. (See ALSA for 2.6 info).. OldSchoolSound |
| 13:27.32 | tzafrir_laptop | bash appears to have a good 8bit support |
| 13:27.34 | Gomo1 | But I don't really see what the problem is |
| 13:27.45 | stew | hmm |
| 13:27.51 | stew | woodland: open sound system |
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| 13:28.09 | adept | hi there. Say, it there any reason why xserver-xorg in unstable and experimental is compiled WITH it's own libfreetype instead of shared one and WITHOUT ttf bytecode interpreter turned on? |
| 13:28.10 | woodland | stew, is that the default with debian |
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| 13:28.41 | stew | woodland: its the one that comes with 2.4 kernels, 2.6 comes with both oss and alsa, alsa is recommended over oss in general |
| 13:28.43 | jim | N0S3: do you see the problem? |
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| 13:29.01 | stew | woodland: since 2.4 is the default with debian, i guess that's a yes |
| 13:29.26 | woodland | stew, can i use alsa under kernel 2.4 which i have |
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| 13:29.30 | _rene_ | that's not 100% true |
| 13:29.42 | StanTheMan | is ACPI support needed on the Intel BX chipset? |
| 13:29.46 | _rene_ | some archs have 2.6 as default (like powerpc) |
| 13:29.53 | StanTheMan | in my kernel that is? |
| 13:29.58 | stew | woodland: yes, if you use a debian kernel, apt-get install alsa-modules-$(uname -r) |
| 13:30.09 | jim | woodland: sure, but you would install the alsa modules that match your kernel version |
| 13:30.18 | woodland | ok |
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| 13:31.16 | jim | woodland: before 2.6, alsa was provided outside the kernel source... as of 2.6, alsa is incorporated into the kernel sources and so compiling a kernel and packaging it could contain alsa |
| 13:31.16 | stew | StanTheMan: acpi support is never needed, and BX chipset predates acpi |
| 13:31.18 | tzafrir_laptop | ok. find managed to mess things up. The simpler: for file in *; do echo mv "$file" "`echo $file| iconv -f iso-8859-8`" ; done # worked. |
| 13:31.39 | jm_ | tzafrir_laptop: it doesn't mess up anything |
| 13:31.42 | SimonRaven | jim: alsa is native to 2.6 |
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| 13:32.08 | jim | SimonRaven: isn't that what I just said? :P |
| 13:32.08 | StanTheMan | thx stew |
| 13:32.11 | woodland | jim, i dont have kernel 2.6 right now, and compiling new kernel is headache for me since i am newbie |
| 13:32.29 | stew | woodland: you could just apt-get a 2.6 kernel |
| 13:32.41 | jim | woodland: then you would need to install the alsa modules |
| 13:32.50 | SimonRaven | jim: yeh. i just re-read your statement again |
| 13:32.54 | rking | here is a veeery interesting question that you alllll are very interested in: i'm having known packet loss with my ISP right now - 10-15% of the icmp_seq's just find theirselves in nowhere land. Is there any setting, say, something in /proc/net, that i can set to make things work smoother until the upstream problems are fixed? if it would be super-sensitive about timeouts, that might work |
| 13:32.57 | jim | or do what stew said :) |
| 13:33.02 | tzafrir_laptop | jm_, frankly I fail to see why iconv failed to work as expected in "under" find |
| 13:33.08 | StanTheMan | stew: reason for question= used to get all kinds of IO APIC errors spammed to my console and syslog with the mobo and 2.4.x kernels.... |
| 13:33.19 | stew | StanTheMan: APIC != ACPI |
| 13:33.25 | tzafrir_laptop | rking, smaller packets |
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| 13:33.43 | jm_ | tzafrir_laptop: WFM |
| 13:33.46 | StanTheMan | stew: understand that. Thought the two might be related at the BIOS Level |
| 13:33.50 | woodland | stew, i did 'apt-get install kernel2.6blah-blah once, but i used to get disconnected after few minutes |
| 13:33.50 | maxxle | Hi there! Having my T43 installed with etch/2.6.12. With 2.4 my CDROM was /dev/hdX. Now after upgrading to 2.6 I can't find it anymore. Maybe it's a SATA device? |
| 13:33.51 | jim | SimonRaven: normally when I'm explaining something to someone, I'm doing it in a way that's been led up to by what I've determined they know... (ok, so this is called "basic communication" :) |
| 13:34.00 | tzafrir_laptop | rking, go for an mtu of 532 |
| 13:34.16 | jim | so you might notice weird things occasionally because there's more than one way to say something |
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| 13:34.35 | SimonRaven | jim: :) |
| 13:34.38 | adept | well, since obviously nobody knows about xserver-xorg, I will ask another question: does anyone runing sid have their ttf rendered for core-protocol clients PROPERLY? |
| 13:34.54 | tzafrir_laptop | rking, and still, that may not be enough for anything more than occasional web browsing |
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| 13:34.58 | adept | running sid AND xserver-xorg, sorry |
| 13:35.18 | abrotman | adept: you could ask the XSF .. but that's about it .. |
| 13:35.20 | rking | tzafrir_laptop: excellent - i'll toy with it |
| 13:35.23 | Tortel | gah, how do i make something that I mount be about to be accesed by everyone? |
| 13:35.24 | jim | adept: sid?? you're running sid AND you're taking a poll here??! |
| 13:35.32 | Tortel | in the /etc/fstab |
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| 13:35.39 | abrotman | adept: i haven't seen any of them here this AM .. also .. bugs.debian.org might yield a clue |
| 13:36.05 | Tortel | !tell me about mounting ntfs |
| 13:36.11 | adept | jim: is there any other channel, like for debian X task force? |
| 13:36.11 | jim | Tortel: "something"... that depends on what it is |
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| 13:36.21 | StanTheMan | stew: this machine is going to be a smart mail host. It's behind a consumer broadband router that does NAT/PAT. It will only receive public inbound packets on port 25. Can I still make use of IPTABLES for blocking public IPs coming into 25 through the NAT router? And thus should I enable the packet filtering option in menuconfig? |
| 13:36.27 | jim | adept: go to the mailing list for that |
| 13:36.30 | Tortel | jim: a ntfs patition |
| 13:36.51 | jim | Tortel: ntfs does not have unix-style permissions |
| 13:36.52 | petemc | Tortel: -o umask=022 |
| 13:36.59 | woodland | stew, i installed alsa using apt-get install alsa-modules-$(uname -r),,, so how do i ask my pc to use it instead of oss |
| 13:37.10 | stew | StanTheMan: yes you want netfilter support then |
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| 13:37.37 | adept | abrotman: that seems to be the bug #320458, but incorrectly assigned to xlibs-data |
| 13:37.46 | abrotman | adept: append the bug .. |
| 13:37.55 | stew | woodland: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 13:38.12 | stew | woodland: oh wait, you are the guy with nvsound, aren't you? |
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| 13:38.22 | woodland | stew, yup |
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| 13:38.39 | stew | woodland: you may wanna get advice from someone else who is using nvsound |
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| 13:38.57 | woodland | anybody using nvsound here ? |
| 13:39.00 | adept | jim: basically, I just wanted to be sure tham i'm not missing something obvious. Because xorg seems to be around for quite some time, and I cant believe that I'm the only one who uses "old" apps like xemacs which suffer from the problem. But thanks anyway. |
| 13:39.02 | jim | is alsa not known to work with that? |
| 13:39.43 | stew | jim: the nvsound factoid recommends a closed source oss module, which makes me feel unqualified to answer |
| 13:39.54 | jim | oic |
| 13:40.05 | woodland | ok |
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| 13:40.12 | jim | I'd say get a different sound card :) |
| 13:40.24 | jim | if nv chooses to go that route, don't use it |
| 13:40.47 | Vamplegends | jim can i ask you a question please? |
| 13:40.51 | abrotman | adept: if you're around in the evening .. there are sometimes XSF people in this channel |
| 13:40.56 | jim | you just did |
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| 13:40.58 | abrotman | adept: evening EST |
| 13:41.04 | jim | !ask to ask |
| 13:41.04 | dpkg | Don't ask to ask. Don't ask if anybody can help you with x. Just ask! Omit any irrelevant details. If nobody answers then we don't know or are busy for a few minutes. Wait and don't bug us. If you must ask again wait until new people have joined the channel. |
| 13:41.16 | abrotman | jim: what should i ask?! |
| 13:41.20 | adept | abrotman: thanks. any nick that Ishould be looking for? ;) |
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| 13:41.51 | Vamplegends | on a debian based distro what server do you advise me to use taking in account that i just migrated from windows and i am completely new to linux? |
| 13:41.52 | abrotman | adept: ah .. i odn't give those out for fear of retribution! .. they aren't always here .. but if they are .. they usually notice when you say "xorg is a big pile of crap" :) |
| 13:42.16 | jim | overfiend, but he won't answer x questions in the channel; he will insist that you use the mailing list |
| 13:42.24 | abrotman | i didn't mean him ... |
| 13:42.27 | jim | (which I'm encouraging you to do) |
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| 13:42.41 | abrotman | Vamplegends: say what? |
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| 13:43.00 | stew | Vamplegends: ubuntu |
| 13:43.01 | SimonRaven | !server |
| 13:43.01 | dpkg | server is probably the main-computer in a network of computers. It sends out data to the other computers and it also has data on it. the person who brings you food at cheap restaurants. |
| 13:43.13 | StanTheMan | stew: will i need ARP tables support for this smart mail relay box? |
| 13:43.16 | jim | xorg is a big pile of donkey doo doo!! |
| 13:43.16 | abrotman | Vamplegends: are you asking us about hardware or a distro ? |
| 13:43.20 | adept | abrotman: I'll try. And then I will say that you made me do that ;) |
| 13:43.23 | jim | hmm, nothing... |
| 13:43.26 | abrotman | adept: not a problem |
| 13:43.31 | adept | jim: will do |
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| 13:43.34 | abrotman | adept: the mailing lists are good too |
| 13:43.56 | abrotman | jim: he might not even be at work yet |
| 13:43.59 | stew | StanTheMan: yes |
| 13:44.25 | jim | he's still working for progeny? |
| 13:44.31 | StanTheMan | stew: how about all the other dozen or so options in the netfilter config? |
| 13:44.31 | abrotman | afaik ... |
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| 13:45.25 | StanTheMan | stew: such as TTL match, packet mangling, TCPMSS support, etc? |
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| 13:46.13 | Vamplegends | jim, I am sorry I meant http easy to configure server apache2.conf does not make much sense to me... anything with GUI maybe? |
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| 13:46.18 | StanTheMan | stew: I'm asking because I don't know exactly what my SMC router/switch/NAT/firewall is going to actually pass through to this box... |
| 13:46.41 | jim | Vamplegends: I have never used apache2 in my life... I use aolserver exclusively |
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| 13:47.09 | SimonRaven | Vamplegends: no. this is why you read docs, so you know what you're looking at |
| 13:47.22 | abrotman | adept: also .. 6.9 RC1 is in experimental some time today |
| 13:47.47 | SimonRaven | probably dinstall |
| 13:47.59 | apt-get | hey guys |
| 13:48.05 | apt-get | I'm trying to install network-manager |
| 13:48.10 | apt-get | however apt-get fails to install it |
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| 13:48.27 | abrotman | !info xserver-xorg experimetnal |
| 13:48.29 | woodland | abrotman, i just did apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf ,,,, now i still have old symbol for volume here |
| 13:48.29 | abrotman | !info xserver-xorg experimental |
| 13:48.33 | dpkg | xserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 6.8.99.900.dfsg.1-0pre1 (experimental), Packaged size: 5488 kB, Installed size: 14532 kB |
| 13:48.38 | abrotman | woodland: what? |
| 13:48.48 | abrotman | old symbol for volume ? |
| 13:48.57 | woodland | abrotman, lol |
| 13:48.57 | apt-get | anyone can help? |
| 13:48.59 | pipeline | abrotman: No. |
| 13:49.00 | N0S3 | dpkg: syntax error: unknown group `Debian-exim' in statusoverride file |
| 13:49.00 | N0S3 | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 13:49.07 | Vamplegends | SimonRaven: ty much ! |
| 13:49.07 | adept | abrotman: i tried the package from experimental. Same effect ... |
| 13:49.15 | woodland | abrotman, i mean i dont see new sound mixer |
| 13:49.17 | jim | apt-get: why does it fail/ |
| 13:49.18 | jim | ? |
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| 13:49.23 | apt-get | many many dependencies |
| 13:49.29 | pipeline | jim, abrotman: Progeny's main business is redhat 9 support :P |
| 13:49.35 | abrotman | adept: just checking |
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| 13:49.38 | gabdab | just a question> does minimal debian support usb and usb modems ? (usb uhci )? |
| 13:49.43 | abrotman | pipeline: i just wondered if you worked there |
| 13:49.52 | jim | why are you getting the dependency errors? |
| 13:49.53 | abrotman | woodland: the new sound mixer? |
| 13:49.55 | pipeline | Well, I don't, and they don't do anything debian-related anyway :P |
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| 13:50.03 | abrotman | pipeline: they do .. |
| 13:50.06 | N0S3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:50.06 | gabdab | is it minimal that you are usinf apt-get ? |
| 13:50.18 | SimonRaven | Vamplegends: apt-get install apache2-doc, then point a browser at localhost/doc/apache2-doc/manual. this requires apache2 to be installed and running. /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
| 13:50.20 | pipeline | abrotman: They pretend to ;) |
| 13:50.25 | abrotman | pipeline: http://progeny.com/services/componentizedlinux.htm |
| 13:50.28 | woodland | abrotman, since i installed alsa, now i am not able to play music. |
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| 13:50.30 | apt-get | I have all the sources uncommented in sources.list |
| 13:50.35 | apt-get | this is ubuntu |
| 13:50.41 | abrotman | it uses anaconda and apt |
| 13:50.43 | SimonRaven | #ubuntu |
| 13:50.45 | abrotman | apt-get: #ubuntu please |
| 13:50.54 | abrotman | woodland: what error do you get? |
| 13:50.58 | apt-get | u |
| 13:50.58 | apt-get | m |
| 13:51.04 | apt-get | do you guys have a good sources.list I can use |
| 13:51.10 | SimonRaven | #ubuntu |
| 13:51.10 | abrotman | apt-get: #ubuntu |
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| 13:51.19 | apt-get | ... |
| 13:51.22 | apt-get | thanks for all the help.. |
| 13:51.23 | jim | apt-get: are you interested in installing debian? |
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| 13:51.26 | abrotman | apt-get: you're using ubuntu .. this channel is for debian support ubuntu is not debian |
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| 13:51.28 | SimonRaven | ... |
| 13:51.31 | apt-get | if I can get this to work sure |
| 13:51.37 | abrotman | !d-i apt-get |
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| 13:51.41 | dpkg | apt-get, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 13:51.55 | SimonRaven | hey, there's an actual some1 now |
| 13:51.55 | madafaka | how much mb/gb of data does it make to daily sync debian repository mirror? |
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| 13:52.05 | jim | as always, back up your hd if you intend to reinstall |
| 13:52.07 | SimonRaven | madafaka: a lot |
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| 13:52.14 | gabdab | does minimal support uhci usb ? |
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| 13:52.22 | madafaka | SimonRaven, a little bit more precisely? :) |
| 13:52.25 | aitor | hi |
| 13:52.30 | SimonRaven | oodles |
| 13:52.36 | aitor | I've got problems with kdm |
| 13:52.37 | SimonRaven | ;p |
| 13:52.38 | jim | this is a "support channel"? |
| 13:52.41 | madafaka | maybe just x86 version? |
| 13:52.45 | some1 | hello all :-) can some1 please recommend me good apt-get gui for gnome ? |
| 13:52.46 | abrotman | madafaka: a metric crap load |
| 13:52.53 | apt-get | synaptic? |
| 13:52.55 | aitor | it won't work, even though startx does |
| 13:52.55 | abrotman | !dstats |
| 13:52.58 | abrotman | !dstats sarge |
| 13:52.58 | xelam | I recommend "apt-get" from the command line :\ |
| 13:53.04 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 17092 packages, 1596 maintainers, 33338 MB installed size, 10718 MB compressed size. |
| 13:53.17 | SimonRaven | madafaka: woody was ~40 GB IIRC. sarge is larger of course |
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| 13:53.46 | madafaka | ok i'm currently creating a mirror |
| 13:53.46 | abrotman | last i heard it was in excess of 100GB for all arches and sarge/etch/sid |
| 13:53.47 | madafaka | alter:~# du -sh /debian/ |
| 13:53.48 | madafaka | 23G /debian/ |
| 13:54.04 | madafaka | abrotman, i mean...how much transfer will it take daily |
| 13:54.07 | abrotman | SimonRaven: there are people in this channel who would know |
| 13:54.12 | madafaka | when i firstly create mirror |
| 13:54.12 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15660 packages, 1468 maintainers, 28183 MB installed size, 8871 MB compressed size. |
| 13:54.24 | abrotman | madafaka: oh .. sid and etch change daily .. sarge not so much .. |
| 13:54.25 | some1 | apt-get:there anyting other then synaptic ? |
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| 13:54.35 | stew | some1: aptitude |
| 13:54.38 | abrotman | madafaka: i'd guess a few 100MB of transfer .. |
| 13:54.43 | abrotman | gnome-apt .. heeheheh |
| 13:54.44 | some1 | xelam:for now i rather gui ... |
| 13:54.47 | apt-get | *sigh* |
| 13:54.48 | madafaka | abrotman, oh thats cool :) |
| 13:54.49 | apt-get | #ubuntu sucks |
| 13:54.56 | madafaka | i'll try to use some push mirror |
| 13:54.56 | abrotman | apt-get: then install debian |
| 13:55.02 | apt-get | It's not for me |
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| 13:55.04 | abrotman | madafaka: what ist he purpose for this ? |
| 13:55.04 | apt-get | it's a friends desktop |
| 13:55.12 | abrotman | so? |
| 13:55.13 | jim | apt-get: or windows or redhat or anything you want |
| 13:55.26 | jim | oh, no, don't do that if it's not your machine3 |
| 13:55.35 | apt-get | err so, they need a desktop distro |
| 13:55.37 | abrotman | apt-get: we will help you install debian .. we're not going to help you with Ubuntu .. that's why #ubuntu exists |
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| 13:55.50 | woodland | abrotman, i did install alsa and uninstalled it but now i have one avi file, there is no sound from that |
| 13:56.03 | prock | is there a 'top' for disk usage? |
| 13:56.04 | apt-get | I'm just looking for a sources.list with which I can install network-manager |
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| 13:56.16 | meff | prock: df, du, etc |
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| 13:56.18 | apt-get | #ubuntu is not helpful |
| 13:56.19 | abrotman | woodland: it could be the avi is using a stupid codec |
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| 13:56.29 | madafaka | abrotman, i dont understand? purpose? |
| 13:56.33 | abrotman | apt-get: TOUGH .. you install Ubuntu .. you should use #ubuntu |
| 13:56.36 | madafaka | purpose of what? making mirror? |
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| 13:56.42 | meff | prock: if you want a 'top clone' .. try 'watch -n1 df' :) |
| 13:56.46 | abrotman | madafaka: i mean .. why are you mirroring |
| 13:56.47 | madafaka | well...serbian & montenegro doesn't have official mirror |
| 13:56.50 | woodland | abrotman, no, even here in xchat i cant here the beep sounds |
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| 13:57.00 | abrotman | woodland: xchat makes beeps? .. maybe ask #alsa ? |
| 13:57.12 | abrotman | madafaka: so you want to make a public mirror for debian ? |
| 13:57.14 | madafaka | and i'm using debian very often in my work.. |
| 13:57.40 | jim | apt-get: and people who don't know ubuntu already here are not going to learn it just for one person... also, if we're asked to support ubuntu, does that mean we have to learn that and the 20-odd other debian-derived dists? |
| 13:57.42 | abrotman | madafaka: if you're just trying to avoid downloading the same package to your network repeatedly .. you might want to look at apt-proxy |
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| 13:57.53 | apt-get | grr........ |
| 13:57.58 | abrotman | !d-i apt-get |
| 13:57.59 | dpkg | apt-get, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 13:58.02 | madafaka | abrotman, i tried apt-proxy, apt-cacher etc |
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| 13:58.06 | madafaka | and used it alot :) |
| 13:58.18 | madafaka | but now i will create a mirror :) |
| 13:58.24 | abrotman | madafaka: ah .. ok .. as long as you know about them and they don't meet your needs |
| 13:58.29 | abrotman | madafaka: will this be a public mirror ? |
| 13:58.39 | madafaka | and firstly give it away to some friends admins |
| 13:58.40 | woodland | abrotman, when i get reply here, xchat make beep sound, now its not there |
| 13:58.47 | madafaka | so i can see how much upload will it take |
| 13:58.51 | abrotman | woodland: have you restarted since you installed alsa ? |
| 13:58.53 | jim | apt-get: some folks here just don't like helping with other than debian... you're probably not going to change their mind by grring :) |
| 13:59.02 | madafaka | because bandwidth is really expensive around here :( |
| 13:59.04 | abrotman | madafaka: it depends how popular it is .. |
| 13:59.11 | woodland | abrotman, no |
| 13:59.18 | abrotman | woodland: maybe you should try that .. |
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| 13:59.24 | woodland | ok |
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| 14:00.01 | jim | kernel stuff is among the only reasons you'd ever want to restart |
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| 14:00.08 | gabdab | anyone using flashtux on debian ? |
| 14:00.14 | jim | !anyone |
| 14:00.14 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 14:00.19 | abrotman | jim: alsa is retarded ... :) |
| 14:00.49 | gabdab | ? |
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| 14:01.07 | jim | no information |
| 14:01.10 | abrotman | gabdab: that means "ask a better question" |
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| 14:01.36 | gabdab | ok, will I be able to connect adsl /usb with minimal debian ? |
| 14:01.43 | abrotman | wtf is flashtux ? |
| 14:01.52 | gabdab | it is a driver |
| 14:01.55 | PsyChopAte | you know how to install a wifi card on debian ? |
| 14:01.56 | jim | gabdab: not sure. |
| 14:02.08 | gabdab | for globespan based usb modems.. |
| 14:02.11 | gabdab | k |
| 14:02.16 | stew | PsyChopAte: depends on the wireless chipset |
| 14:02.25 | prock | meff: thanks, but what I'm actually looking for is something that shows the disk load, not disk usage |
| 14:02.25 | PsyChopAte | acx111 |
| 14:02.32 | PsyChopAte | i thing |
| 14:02.37 | abrotman | acton ? |
| 14:02.39 | stew | PsyChopAte: /msg dpkg madwifi-install |
| 14:02.44 | gabdab | (thx) |
| 14:02.45 | jim | !google for globespan usb modem debian |
| 14:02.51 | abrotman | isn't that acton .. not atheros ? |
| 14:02.53 | dpkg | Google says globespan usb modem debian is at http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/index.php?lang=en or http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/ or http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/doc/eciadsl_install_en.pdf or http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/index.php or http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/download.php?lang=en |
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| 14:03.00 | stew | hmm |
| 14:03.14 | jim | why does it give all flashtux urls |
| 14:03.20 | stew | PsyChopAte: forget madwifi |
| 14:03.28 | _r0cks | hi |
| 14:03.32 | _r0cks | maybe someone could tell where i can get the apt repository (server) software? |
| 14:03.34 | stew | !acx100 |
| 14:03.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, acx100 is wireless internet card chipset that is a royal pain to install, but if you go to http://www.houseofcraig.net/acx100_howto.php you will be able to have your card up and running in an hour (hopefully). |
| 14:03.44 | abrotman | http://acx100.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 14:03.54 | abrotman | !acx100 is also http://acx100.sourceforge.net/ |
| 14:03.54 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 14:03.55 | _r0cks | and not apt-cacher or apt-proxy... |
| 14:04.10 | SlayerXP | hey! chanserv likes me! |
| 14:04.11 | stew | !acx111 is <reply> see acx100 |
| 14:04.11 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 14:04.44 | abrotman | _r0cks: you want to mirror debian ? |
| 14:04.45 | gabdab | .. |
| 14:05.01 | _r0cks | no i want to set up my own repository |
| 14:05.08 | stew | !repository |
| 14:05.08 | dpkg | debian repository is probably a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
| 14:05.28 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 14:05.28 | dpkg | i guess debian mirrors is use apt-setup, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror |
| 14:05.31 | PsyChopAte | it's a DWL-G650+ |
| 14:05.33 | _r0cks | is there no server software behind it? |
| 14:05.43 | PsyChopAte | my wifi card ! |
| 14:05.44 | abrotman | _r0cks: oh .. ignore mine .. read stews |
| 14:05.48 | SlayerXP | apache |
| 14:05.54 | stew | PsyChopAte: http://www.houseofcraig.net/acx100_howto.php |
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| 14:06.10 | apt-get | how can I install libdbus-1-1 ? |
| 14:06.12 | gabdab | dpkg k thx problem is if it works with minimal ( 100 MB) debian |
| 14:06.12 | dpkg | okay, gabdab |
| 14:06.22 | apt-get | also libcairo2 |
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| 14:06.38 | abrotman | apt-get: FFS .. you're using Ubuntu .. go to #ubuntu |
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| 14:06.52 | abrotman | !forget k thx problem |
| 14:06.52 | dpkg | abrotman: i forgot k thx problem |
| 14:07.06 | StanTheMan | for 2.4 kernels, after make menuconfig, do I do "make dep" first (as stated right after leaving make menuconfig), and then make-kpkg clean? or in the reverse order? |
| 14:07.06 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 14:07.07 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 14:07.19 | abrotman | !kp |
| 14:07.19 | dpkg | it has been said that kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 14:07.35 | apt-get | abrotman: did I say it was for ubuntu? |
| 14:07.43 | abrotman | apt-get: we all know you're using ubuntu ... |
| 14:07.50 | abrotman | apt-get: you already told us |
| 14:07.54 | apt-get | no I didn't |
| 14:07.58 | apt-get | I said my friends using ubuntu |
| 14:08.00 | SlayerXP | oh yes you did |
| 14:08.02 | abrotman | don't treat us like morons |
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| 14:08.06 | stew | apt-get: you are asking about a problem installing a package that isn't even in debian, you reall should be in #ubuntu |
| 14:08.15 | apt-get | *sigh* |
| 14:08.28 | abrotman | apt-get: would you rather be forcefully removed ? |
| 14:08.29 | stew | !+info libdbus-1-1 |
| 14:08.31 | dpkg | Package 'libdbus-1-1' does not exist. |
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| 14:08.49 | Jon | shouldn't the name be libdbus_1-1 anyway |
| 14:08.50 | jim | !based on debian |
| 14:08.51 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 14:09.13 | stew | Jon: no, libdbus-1-1 is the correct name, its just not in debian yet |
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| 14:09.14 | apt-get | I'll leave, you all seem to be too stuck up to just show a sample sources.list |
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| 14:09.19 | abrotman | woohoo |
| 14:09.31 | abrotman | !beer jim,stew |
| 14:09.34 | Jon | stew: ah |
| 14:09.47 | stew | i'm not sharing a beer with jim! :) |
| 14:09.50 | abrotman | stew: it might be in experimental |
| 14:09.51 | jim | heh :) |
| 14:09.53 | stew | (it is) |
| 14:09.54 | abrotman | stew: you each get your own! |
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| 14:10.11 | jim | stew: it'll have to be two beers then |
| 14:10.24 | writerase | hi, someone aware of a "2GB fread size limit on amd64 sarge" ? |
| 14:10.30 | stew | abrotman: yeah maybe we should have gotten him to use experimental sources, that probabaly would "shut him up" |
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| 14:10.41 | abrotman | stew: yes .. because the system would have died |
| 14:10.44 | stew | exactly |
| 14:10.55 | jim | hmm, no :) |
| 14:11.00 | Daffy-PKF | i heard something about "quote of the day" on linux, as far as i know it's an oppened port that just send the quote of the day... can someone give me more infos about it? i'd like to display it in a webpage |
| 14:11.03 | stew | jim: thanks for that :) |
| 14:11.15 | SlayerXP | Daffy-PKF: apt-get install fortune |
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| 14:11.30 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 14:11.30 | dpkg | <orangey_> has *nobody* here tried to dock a KDE icon into gnome? <orangey_> man. This is totally a karma thing. I didn't help somebody the other day when I knew the answer just because I wanted to watch a simpsons episode instead. <orangey_> I thought buddha would understand. |
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| 14:12.13 | abrotman | Daffy-PKF: what about fortune ? |
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| 14:12.53 | Daffy-PKF | abrotman, SlayerXP > what is it exactly? apt-cache show doesn't help me very much... |
| 14:12.59 | stew | !fortune |
| 14:12.59 | dpkg | fortune is probably a program to produce a semi-random semi-witty statement |
| 14:13.05 | jim | it may have been a karma thing... but karma isn't that... it's the traps you find yourself in which repeat themselves until you learn what is needed to get out |
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| 14:13.19 | abrotman | Daffy-PKF: i guess you don't want fortune |
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| 14:13.41 | SlayerXP | Daffy-PKF: it's a program that randomly selects one block of text from a database or databases of said text. the program then prints thsi text to STDOUT |
| 14:13.45 | Daffy-PKF | abrotman> i just want a stupid phrase that's not always the same on my main page... |
| 14:13.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: would you package something very small for me/ |
| 14:14.01 | jim | fortune, and pam-fortune? |
| 14:14.02 | abrotman | !info twisted quotes |
| 14:14.04 | Daffy-PKF | SlayerXP> so, i think i don't want it |
| 14:14.04 | abrotman | err |
| 14:14.06 | jim | or somethjing like that |
| 14:14.10 | abrotman | !info twisted-quotes |
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| 14:14.15 | ttz | hi gays ! |
| 14:14.16 | dpkg | twisted-quotes: (Quotes from the Twisted development team), section net, is extra. Version: 2.0.1-5 (sid), Packaged size: 103 kB, Installed size: 276 kB |
| 14:14.16 | abrotman | tarzeau: i can try .. but i'm at work still :) |
| 14:14.20 | stew | Daffy-PKF: something like: echo "<?=`fortune`?>" >> index.php |
| 14:14.21 | ttz | ^W guys, sorry |
| 14:14.28 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=mcite |
| 14:14.34 | StanTheMan | hmmm... maybe sometime today this kernel image will finish compiling, and then I can go on to installing and and setting up postfix.... |
| 14:14.51 | abrotman | tarzeau: you want me to package the TeX stuff ? |
| 14:14.54 | Daffy-PKF | stew> hmmmm, maybe? |
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| 14:15.04 | tarzeau | abrotman: only that very tiny mcite stuff :) |
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| 14:15.15 | ttz | bye |
| 14:15.15 | abrotman | tarzeau: i haven't used TeX in .. over 5 years :) |
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| 14:15.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: i haven't used TeX longer than 5 minutes :) |
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| 14:15.33 | StanTheMan | a single celery 500, 128MB RAM, and an IDE disk don't make for the fastest kernel compiling setup |
| 14:15.39 | Daffy-PKF | stew> i heard about "quote of the day", that i thought to be on port oppened by default, that would do much more than i need... |
| 14:15.48 | md5sum | celeryron |
| 14:15.49 | md5sum | yum |
| 14:16.00 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've packaged maple10 today, it grew 350mb over version 9.5 |
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| 14:16.10 | tarzeau | and i should package pv-wave still, and it's a pain to install on sarge |
| 14:16.11 | abrotman | wtf is maple ? |
| 14:16.16 | SimonRaven | StanTheMan: 500 of celery? how many people are you feeding? |
| 14:16.22 | stew | Daffy-PKF: *shrug doesn't sound familiar to me |
| 14:16.22 | abrotman | i know what elmo is |
| 14:16.23 | jim | some math thing |
| 14:16.28 | tarzeau | !maple |
| 14:16.29 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, maple is a shabby wannabe mathematica, or much cheaper than mathematica |
| 14:16.30 | StanTheMan | it's a dual machine (abit BP6) but the default kernel is uni-proc, so I can only use the one CPU to compile the new SMP kernel |
| 14:16.37 | tarzeau | dpkg maple is also Maple Symbolic Mathematics and Visualization |
| 14:16.37 | dpkg | okay, tarzeau |
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| 14:16.51 | sonnie | is there any debian/mipsel kernel supporting decsystem 5000/260 with graphics card PMAG-E? |
| 14:16.55 | Daffy-PKF | i think that's it: cat /etc/services | grep quote |
| 14:16.55 | Daffy-PKF | qotd 17/tcp quote |
| 14:17.15 | SimonRaven | getent services quote |
| 14:17.29 | ircdevil | hmm. elephant sequence is out |
| 14:17.35 | SimonRaven | or qotd, or leave off the last arg, and grep ;p |
| 14:17.38 | StanTheMan | SimonRaven: just me :P it's celery man, takes more energy to chew and digest it than what you get out, so you lose weight. What the hell am I saying? I'm 6' 4" and only 180lbs. I shouldn't be eating celery... |
| 14:17.52 | azeem | sonnie: you are probably well advised to post that question to the debian-mips mailing list, few people run mips in here |
| 14:18.04 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 14:18.04 | dpkg | from memory, qotd96 is <linuxrules> i dont have problems with languaje |
| 14:18.07 | SimonRaven | StanTheMan: i'm 5'10" ~140 =) |
| 14:18.08 | stew | !mips |
| 14:18.08 | dpkg | methinks mips is (Million Instructions Per Second) This is a rating of how quickly a processor can process instructions. A processor rated at 100 MIPS can process 100,000,000 instructions per second. or a port of linux to computers equiped with MIPS processors. or Meaningless Indication of Processor Speed, or a processor commonly found in video game console systems, and some computers, for more information, join #MIPSLinux. |
| 14:18.18 | stew | sonnie: tried asking in #MIPSLinux? |
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| 14:19.06 | SimonRaven | speaking of food, gotta eat |
| 14:19.07 | StanTheMan | SimonRaven: apparently, both of us need less celery, and more Micky-Ds fries :P |
| 14:19.27 | abrotman | tarzeau: are you serious ? |
| 14:19.29 | SimonRaven | StanTheMan: oh, that's the other thing, i eat like a horse, but i don't gain weight :| |
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| 14:19.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: about what? |
| 14:19.45 | abrotman | the package? |
| 14:19.51 | tarzeau | abrotman: yes, i need it (well a user) |
| 14:19.56 | abrotman | but now? |
| 14:20.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's fine next week |
| 14:20.05 | abrotman | hehe |
| 14:20.05 | jim | why not just install it |
| 14:20.11 | abrotman | dunno .. it's asingle file afaict |
| 14:20.14 | tarzeau | jim: on 150 machines? |
| 14:20.28 | abrotman | scp as root?! :) |
| 14:20.29 | jim | if it's a single file... |
| 14:20.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: and when there is updates? or new machines? |
| 14:20.45 | abrotman | tarzeau: no new machines .. no budget |
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| 14:20.52 | SlayerXP | tarzeau: sounds like a job for cfengine |
| 14:20.59 | StanTheMan | SimonRaven: we have mucho in common my friend. Just by chance, you're not in the CST zone are you? If so, we have similar sleep (or lack thereof) patterns |
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| 14:21.11 | tarzeau | jim: it's not just one file, but not that much either |
| 14:21.19 | SimonRaven | StanTheMan: no, EDT currently |
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| 14:21.33 | tarzeau | SlayerXP: ah we have our own distribution system , but no it's wrong, it's not a configuration file |
| 14:21.50 | tuxlifan | taglog displays input-boxes with good font, but the "labels" are tiny and bold -> illegible. How can I fix this? |
| 14:21.54 | tarzeau | SlayerXP: we split that very carefully software and configuration for good reasons |
| 14:22.02 | SlayerXP | tarzeau: cfengine does not just handle config files. I've used it to roll out kernels, packages, upgrades, you name it. |
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| 14:22.13 | tarzeau | SlayerXP: yes ours can also handle everything, but it's wrong |
| 14:22.20 | StanTheMan | SimonRaven: btw, did you used to go by "Simonrvn" in this channel back in the day? simonrvn helped me with mucho debian issues in the past. |
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| 14:22.36 | Phated | he did! |
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| 14:22.55 | SimonRaven | StanTheMan: yes, same beast |
| 14:23.20 | abrotman | but more cowbell! |
| 14:23.38 | StanTheMan | SimonRaven: you are a techno beast my man. you don't mind me stroking that ego a little do ya? :P you rock dude. |
| 14:24.35 | jim | aww, they made friends... |
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| 14:24.54 | sonnie | stew: there seems to be no one noticing my question in #mipslinux |
| 14:25.14 | abrotman | StanTheMan: because you stroked him :) |
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| 14:25.21 | SimonRaven | not offensive, just really shy about compliments |
| 14:25.21 | jim | well it was somewhat over the top :) |
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| 14:25.31 | abrotman | SimonRaven: less cowbell ? |
| 14:25.40 | sonnie | !mips |
| 14:25.40 | dpkg | it has been said that mips is (Million Instructions Per Second) This is a rating of how quickly a processor can process instructions. A processor rated at 100 MIPS can process 100,000,000 instructions per second. or a port of linux to computers equiped with MIPS processors. or Meaningless Indication of Processor Speed, or a processor commonly found in video game console systems, and some computers, for more information, join #MIPSLinux. |
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| 14:25.45 | SimonRaven | cowbell? |
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| 14:26.02 | N0S3 | friends have solved the problem |
| 14:26.03 | StanTheMan | cowbell, seriously ROFL'ing on that one |
| 14:26.05 | N0S3 | SimonRaven StanTheMan |
| 14:26.08 | SimonRaven | (i know what it is, but i don't see what relationship it has) |
| 14:26.08 | N0S3 | jim |
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| 14:27.24 | StanTheMan | well, both handles have 10 letters, start with S and end with N. That what you getting at? |
| 14:27.26 | N0S3 | I believe that when he/she settles postfix it has more than enough exim, this it doesn't purge it completely |
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| 14:27.48 | SimonRaven | StanTheMan: i guess |
| 14:28.02 | StanTheMan | no I meant N0S3 |
| 14:28.02 | jim | N0S3: that's true of packages that are not "purge"d... |
| 14:28.55 | N0S3 | StanTheMan SimonRaven jim , I have solved it with the following command ... |
| 14:29.21 | N0S3 | dpkg-statoverride --remove /etc/exim4/passwd.client |
| 14:29.41 | SimonRaven | ooo, fancy =;) |
| 14:29.43 | Zugschlus | N0S3: it would have been better to actually purge the exim4 packages |
| 14:29.51 | Zugschlus | but I noticed that too late |
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| 14:30.15 | jim | N0S3: anyway, you seem to have found the real problem |
| 14:30.20 | SimonRaven | yeh, easier ;) |
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| 14:31.22 | N0S3 | jim Zugschlus SimonRaven , I hope my problem is good to combat future errors, and to contribute to the project |
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| 14:31.55 | SpamHog | I have grub installed in MBR, but want to put it into the / partition, which is hda1 (root & boot too). Is it enough to dd the first record or sector from hda to hda1? |
| 14:32.02 | jim | that would seem to be a problem when switching MTAs |
| 14:32.36 | jim | SpamHog: so you want to grub then grub again? and no. you have to install it. |
| 14:32.48 | Zugschlus | N0S3: it will be probably a good idea to improve on your english. It is very hard to understand what you mean. |
| 14:32.50 | SimonRaven | StanTheMan: where are you at in CST BTW? i'm originally from alberta |
| 14:33.02 | Zugschlus | (especially if one is not a native speaker oneself) |
| 14:33.30 | SimonRaven | i'm having a hard time too |
| 14:33.35 | N0S3 | Zugschlus , ajajaja you are right |
| 14:33.44 | StanTheMan | SimonRaven: a few hundred miles south in St. Louis, MO |
| 14:33.48 | jim | he failed to tell important details |
| 14:34.06 | jim | so I wasn't involved after that |
| 14:34.10 | SimonRaven | StanTheMan: oh ok |
| 14:34.15 | N0S3 | Zugschlus im from spanish |
| 14:34.39 | N0S3 | Zugschlus pardon for my English |
| 14:34.45 | SimonRaven | jim: i think the 'security by obscurity' got involved there... |
| 14:34.53 | StanTheMan | SimonRaven: and as I'm typing a flight of ANG F15s are taking off over my apt from Lambert field for manouvers hehe. I love jets. |
| 14:35.04 | SimonRaven | heh |
| 14:35.12 | SimonRaven | good place to live then =) |
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| 14:35.25 | StanTheMan | :P |
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| 14:35.51 | N0S3 | ajajaja |
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| 14:36.38 | StanTheMan | SimonRaven: the Boeing (McDonnel Douglas) plant where they build F15s and F18s is less than a mile from my apt :) |
| 14:36.51 | jim | SimonRaven: about the security thing, he thought he shouldn't say versions? |
| 14:36.53 | Mojosound | Are there sites that I can view that have screen shots? I am also looking for the list of packages that come with Debian. |
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| 14:37.16 | stew | Mojosound: screenshots of what? http://packages.debian.org |
| 14:37.25 | jim | Mojosound: packages.debian.org |
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| 14:38.02 | jim | Mojosound: debian is general-purpose to the -extreme-... a debian screenshot could mean -anything- |
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| 14:38.05 | alexrait1 | why I do packages like kde-games necessary for kde? I mean I can't remove kdegames without removing kde as well... that's what my synaptic says |
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| 14:38.13 | Mojosound | stew: Yes Debian screenshots. I had not considered Debian before, I have been using Mandriva. I want to try other distros and make sure that I have the right one for my needs. |
| 14:38.17 | SimonRaven | jim, no more like leaving out details about set up - what's installed etc. and intent. could've just been not knowing how to communicate the exact problem (going back to language 'barriers') |
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| 14:38.32 | jyoung_ | Hi. how unstable is unstable? |
| 14:38.35 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 14:38.35 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. |
| 14:38.37 | jyoung_ | i've been running testing for years |
| 14:38.39 | tarzeau | jyoung_: not at all |
| 14:38.47 | tarzeau | jyoung_: i've been running unstable for years |
| 14:38.57 | jyoung_ | good. i'm in the middle of a dist-upgrade |
| 14:38.57 | jyoung_ | thanks.. |
| 14:38.57 | stew | jyoung_: extremely unstable |
| 14:38.58 | jyoung_ | hahah |
| 14:39.09 | jyoung_ | well, thats 1-1 |
| 14:39.12 | jyoung_ | any tiebreakers? |
| 14:39.28 | stew | Mojosound: debian screenshot is too general. it could look identical to your mandriva with the same WM config |
| 14:39.42 | stew | Mojosound: here's a screenshot of my desktop: http://vireo.org/tmp/screenshot.png |
| 14:39.47 | jim | jyoung_: runs the gamut. could reformat your HD, cause your keyboard to drop on your cat, send random packets that get you arrested... or, it could be no problem most of the time. |
| 14:39.59 | stew | hmm i should update my screenshot now that i switched from ratpoison to ion3 |
| 14:39.59 | jyoung_ | heh |
| 14:40.02 | jyoung_ | cool.. |
| 14:40.02 | alexrait1 | the same with kfax for instance... if it is already a sperate package, why not to let me remove it |
| 14:40.03 | tarzeau | stew, Mojosound: here's mine http://www.linuks.mine.nu/screenshots/amiwm.png |
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| 14:40.14 | jyoung_ | second question, anyone know when openoffice will move into unstable? |
| 14:40.17 | jyoung_ | er. 2.0 |
| 14:40.22 | jim | the point being that unstable is ALLOWED to be as unstable as possible... but people are working toward release |
| 14:40.23 | jyoung_ | its currently in experimental |
| 14:40.29 | jyoung_ | i see |
| 14:40.29 | jyoung_ | cool |
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| 14:40.50 | Guerin | no |
| 14:40.55 | tarzeau | jyoung_: it's in experimental |
| 14:41.03 | Guerin | unstable is not allowed to be AS unstable as possible |
| 14:41.09 | StanTheMan | is 828KB considered large for a 2.4.27 SMP kernel optimized for 686 (PPro, cel, PII) with no module support, and only needed drivers compiled into the kernel (IDE and NIC)? |
| 14:41.14 | SimonRaven | StanTheMan: heh, bombardier isn't far from here. about 0.5 hour by car, ~1 by bike |
| 14:41.14 | jyoung_ | tarzeau, right.. so i asked, any idea when it'll move to unstable? |
| 14:41.19 | Guerin | it's allowed to be unstable, but not horribly utterly broken |
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| 14:41.28 | Guerin | that's what experimental is for |
| 14:41.32 | bop1 | hey i tried 3 different network cards already and my debian doesnt detect any |
| 14:41.36 | jim | sure it is... I don't see how it could be constrained |
| 14:41.38 | bop1 | any idea what can i do |
| 14:41.40 | tarzeau | jyoung_: whenever the maintainer uploads it into there |
| 14:41.44 | SimonRaven | StanTheMan: seems small. but i'm used to ppc 2.6 kernels, that get into 6+ MB |
| 14:41.49 | Guerin | jim: you should, since you're supposedly a DD |
| 14:41.50 | jyoung_ | thats a pretty vague answer ;P |
| 14:41.54 | stew | bop1: what network card? what does "uname -r" say? do you have discover installed? |
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| 14:42.10 | jim | sometimes it -is- utterly, horribly broken, whether that's allowed or not |
| 14:42.18 | Guerin | jyoung_: the answer is 'when the maintainers think it's ready' |
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| 14:42.40 | Guerin | jim: if it's allowed to be broken all the time, why is there an experimental branch? |
| 14:42.46 | bop1 | stew 2.4.27-2-i386, i have a binary called discover yea, and the network card is benq |
| 14:42.55 | SimonRaven | jim usually by accident |
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| 14:43.10 | jim | yeah, but the point is it could happen |
| 14:43.28 | SimonRaven | indeed. and has ;) |
| 14:43.30 | jim | so if you run unstable, you need to be aware of the potential stuff... |
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| 14:43.52 | stew | bop1: benq? how dies it show up in lspci? |
| 14:44.10 | bop1 | stew it doesnt |
| 14:44.19 | stew | bop1: is it isa? |
| 14:44.20 | Jon | Guerin: personally, I think there's experimental because people couldn't use sid for what it's for, since woody was still stable and it pushed things out the other end |
| 14:44.30 | StanTheMan | SimonRaven: PPC eh? RISC have larger binaries as a result of the ISA, so I can understand the binaries being slightly larger. But *6MB*? Large'ish SMP Power4 or Power5 boxen, or workstations? |
| 14:44.32 | Guerin | nope |
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| 14:44.50 | lestest | hi there, I'm trying to trak some network problem between a client-server code. I can successfully run client and server on different hosts, but If I try to run the client and the server on the same host I got timed out. The only difference between tcpdump output is that in the latter case I got [ttl 0] appended on each packet. What does that mean? |
| 14:44.52 | SimonRaven | StanTheMan: no, just a lot of drivers, heh |
| 14:44.53 | bop1 | stew pci |
| 14:44.53 | Guerin | experimental is for things which the maintainer honestly isn't sure about |
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| 14:45.04 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:45.13 | Guerin | or which could wreak widespread havoc if release into a branch which many people use |
| 14:45.15 | Jon | Guerin: ah ok |
| 14:45.19 | stew | bop1: if it is pci and it doens't show up in lspci somehting is seriously wrong |
| 14:45.26 | Mojosound | Thanks guys. I have an open 30 gig partition. I'll try the network install of stable and see how that goes. Any problems dualbooting with other linux distros? |
| 14:45.28 | Jon | Guerin: the former is a valid point but, the latter, there's the problem, sid in wide use |
| 14:45.39 | SimonRaven | isn't installed properly into the slot for starters |
| 14:45.43 | bop1 | stew but if no support is compiled to the kernel (for that card) it shouldnt be in lspci no? |
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| 14:46.12 | Jon | Mojosound: nope, d-i will detect and add entries to grub automatically, although it may not know what to title them. You'd have to be aware of each distro stomping on the MBR too |
| 14:46.13 | Guerin | Jon: like it or not, it DOES work for some people. |
| 14:46.18 | SimonRaven | Mojosound: no, unless you're clueless with $bootloader |
| 14:46.25 | Guerin | How are bugs supposed to be found and fixed if people don't use unstable? |
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| 14:46.35 | stew | bop1: it should show up in lspci whehter there is a driver or not. anything visible to the pci bus should show up in lspci |
| 14:46.37 | jim | not by doing real work :) |
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| 14:46.53 | Guerin | If it was horribly broken ALL the time, NOBODY would use it, not even insane motherfuckers like me who run four sid machines |
| 14:47.13 | jim | you know how to take responsibilithy for that. |
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| 14:47.26 | jim | I'm not worried about you... |
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| 14:47.33 | StanTheMan | damnit |
| 14:47.42 | StanTheMan | lots of drive errors... |
| 14:47.43 | Guerin | jim: i do, and I know how to pin experimental in if need be. but I wouldn't use sid if it included experimental by default. |
| 14:47.57 | SimonRaven | eh, me neither |
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| 14:48.08 | Nurbs | :o) |
| 14:48.10 | SimonRaven | i pin it lower than sid |
| 14:48.10 | Guerin | i pin it at 400 |
| 14:48.15 | SimonRaven | yeh |
| 14:48.21 | bop1 | stew i tried 3 different ones already.. |
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| 14:48.57 | Guerin | Nurbs: you win a subscription to debian-lunatic mailing list |
| 14:48.58 | stew | bop1: your *sure* that "lspci | grep -i ether" returns nothing? |
| 14:49.05 | StanTheMan | i busted a ground pin (#19) on the IDE connector on the drive. So I'm minues one ground pin. I think putting the ATA driver into DMA mode with the custom kernel is causing problems. Didn't get errors with the default 2.2.20 woody kernel.... |
| 14:49.07 | SimonRaven | Pin: release a=unstable\nPin-priority: 1000 ... Pin: release a=experimental\nPin-priority: 998 |
| 14:49.08 | mikael_ | hi does anyone uses the flash player with debian ? |
| 14:49.16 | factor | with my NVIDIA cards I had to recompile the drivers to get GLX modeback. |
| 14:49.29 | Guerin | !anyone use flach player |
| 14:49.30 | dpkg | No, no one uses flach player, not even the people who use it. |
| 14:49.34 | SimonRaven | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 112 2004-04-03 04:36 /etc/apt/preferences |
| 14:49.34 | Guerin | BAH |
| 14:49.51 | SimonRaven | last edit ^^^ |
| 14:49.52 | mikael_ | dpkg :) |
| 14:49.52 | dpkg | ) is probably the smile part of a face. |
| 14:49.55 | jim | Nurbs: I dont' know you... so I don't know what to tell you... if you do real work, know it could be corrupted or be absolutely fine... but you cant know that, so keep multiple backups of your stuff as you go |
| 14:49.59 | trat02community | hi how can I start in text mode with grub instaled?? |
| 14:50.06 | trat02community | and gnome |
| 14:50.06 | factor | when I do an apt-get upgrade for xorg. |
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| 14:50.08 | Nurbs | jim: of course I do ;) |
| 14:50.11 | StanTheMan | SimonRaven: how can I force my ATA drive into PIO mode? I'm using the PIIX4 driver |
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| 14:50.26 | fireba11 | trat02community: you mean like not starting gnome automatically ? |
| 14:50.27 | Guerin | StanTheMan: bios |
| 14:50.29 | SimonRaven | some hdpar~m thing |
| 14:50.32 | trat02community | yes |
| 14:50.33 | jim | so I'm not too worried about you either, because you are also taking responsibility |
| 14:50.35 | SimonRaven | s/~// |
| 14:50.38 | SimonRaven | or that |
| 14:50.39 | mikael_ | if you don't use the flash player you might not surf the web much !!!! |
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| 14:50.43 | StanTheMan | SimonRaven: I think the kick up to Ultra DMA mode with the new kernel is making that loss ground pin an issue |
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| 14:51.01 | Guerin | mikael_: god no. If I had to use flashplayer I wouldn't surf the web at all |
| 14:51.01 | SimonRaven | StanTheMan: sounds plausible |
| 14:51.06 | bop1 | stew i tried 3 different ones already.. |
| 14:51.10 | SimonRaven | @kernel |
| 14:51.14 | ravenbird | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.13.4, prepatch: 2.6.14-rc5, snapshot: 2.6.14-rc5-git1, 2.4: 2.4.31, prepatch: 2.4.32-rc1, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.14-rc4-mm1 |
| 14:51.19 | factor | nor i flash is not open source either. |
| 14:51.23 | stew | bop1: if a pci card doens't show up in lspci you won't be able to use it |
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| 14:51.36 | stew | bop1: i've never heard of that happening before however |
| 14:51.37 | bop1 | oops |
| 14:51.37 | Guerin | i have a braindead mobo whose ide connectors don't even have a gap for that middle pin |
| 14:51.50 | Guerin | meaning you can't put an 80wire ide cable on them |
| 14:51.53 | Guerin | STUPIDNESS |
| 14:51.53 | bop1 | stew i connected 2 together now and now it detects 1 of them |
| 14:51.55 | fireba11 | Guerin: uh ...i like those :-) |
| 14:52.00 | bop1 | stew maybe the pci slot is bad |
| 14:52.02 | trat02community | I want to start text mode by default (my gnome is broken) |
| 14:52.04 | Guerin | fireba11: why? |
| 14:52.09 | stew | bop1: "connected 2 together"? |
| 14:52.13 | Guerin | !tell trat02community about nodm |
| 14:52.16 | SimonRaven | trat02community: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 14:52.16 | bop1 | stew 2 network cards |
| 14:52.20 | fireba11 | Guerin: because it is just so stupid :-D |
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| 14:52.35 | StanTheMan | Guerin: will my BIOS IDE setting for transfer mode dump to the PIIX4 driver, and cause the driver to use the same setting? |
| 14:52.37 | Zugschlus | N0S3: don't query me, I cannot answer due to stupid IRC network politics |
| 14:52.38 | saloxin | trat02community: or Linux Single on bootprompt |
| 14:52.48 | khaz | I've got such a problem: tryied to compile MPlayer and I got this error: Checking for GTK version ... |
| 14:52.50 | khaz | Error: The GUI requires GTK devel packages (which were not found). So what packages should I install? (Got sarge) |
| 14:52.55 | jim | but everyone I talked to just about, who come and say "how can I undelete 47,489 files?! help!" also say "I can't afford a tape drive" when I say "restore from your tape backup" |
| 14:52.56 | Guerin | fireba11: 33Mhz ide bus should be enough for anybody |
| 14:53.01 | stew | !wayc khaz |
| 14:53.02 | dpkg | khaz: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 14:53.02 | bop1 | quiestion is which 1 is working now.. it loaded 8139too module |
| 14:53.06 | stew | khaz: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 14:53.20 | stew | bop1: the one with the blinky lights |
| 14:53.21 | fireba11 | Guerin: 640 KB RAM should be enough for everything |
| 14:53.21 | N0S3 | Zugschlus ok |
| 14:53.28 | SimonRaven | Zugschlus: more like anti-spam bot stuffs, which implies having to id to nickserv, etc. so yeh, i see your point |
| 14:53.34 | jim | ok, so I exaggerate a little... |
| 14:53.37 | bop1 | stew but no cable is connected |
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| 14:53.40 | khaz | stew: and what repository do I need |
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| 14:53.46 | stew | khaz: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 14:53.50 | conexion2000 | hello |
| 14:54.14 | khaz | I'll try. thx |
| 14:54.15 | jim | but not many new people think about backing up their drive or at least their -work- |
| 14:54.39 | prjktdtnt | Quickie Question: How do you change your hostname (ex: user@>host<) |
| 14:54.46 | trek123 | tar |
| 14:54.51 | asg | prjktdtnt: /msg dpkg hostname |
| 14:54.57 | SimonRaven | i just put a crapload of stuff into backups, still thinking on what kind of daily/weekly/monthly thing i'm gonna do |
| 14:54.57 | prjktdtnt | thx asg |
| 14:55.00 | conexion2000 | guys I have a harmless problem |
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| 14:55.07 | jim | look at the file /etc/hostname |
| 14:55.10 | Zugschlus | SimonRaven: I call that "stupid irc network politics" |
| 14:55.12 | SimonRaven | they rarely are ;p |
| 14:55.28 | SimonRaven | Zugschlus: yeh. like i siad, i see your point |
| 14:55.30 | conexion2000 | recently I have updated initscripts and sysvinit packages from sarge to sid |
| 14:55.31 | SimonRaven | said* |
| 14:55.36 | stew | prjktdtnt: man hostname |
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| 14:55.54 | stew | doesn't sound so harmless |
| 14:55.59 | Zugschlus | SimonRaven: good ;) |
| 14:56.00 | conexion2000 | and now just after kernel starts my computer shows Failed to mount /selinux/ no ushc file or directory |
| 14:56.04 | SimonRaven | indeed. you read my mind |
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| 14:56.10 | prjktdtnt | thx stew |
| 14:56.20 | fireba11 | crap . now where do i go to get my windows problem solved .. ^^ |
| 14:56.30 | jim | conexion2000: what operating system are you running? |
| 14:56.30 | conexion2000 | I would like to know what program calls selinux |
| 14:56.35 | SimonRaven | fireba11: install a window manager ;p |
| 14:56.38 | conexion2000 | debian 3.1 |
| 14:56.45 | stew | prjktdtnt: if you use hostname to change the hostname, "hostname > /etc/hostname" to make it permanant |
| 14:56.46 | conexion2000 | but some packages comes from sid |
| 14:56.56 | jim | that's not safe |
| 14:57.03 | stew | conexion2000: you cannot safely mix sarge and sid |
| 14:57.12 | prjktdtnt | stew: thx again |
| 14:57.12 | jim | and not supportable |
| 14:57.13 | Guerin | conexion2000: is this a boot warning, like "unabloe to mount /selinux" |
| 14:57.15 | conexion2000 | someone have to test packages |
| 14:57.20 | SimonRaven | that's just asking for trouble |
| 14:57.28 | conexion2000 | Guerin: EXACTLY!!! |
| 14:57.42 | Guerin | conexion2000: does your computer work? |
| 14:57.45 | SimonRaven | it's a warning, not an error |
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| 14:57.53 | jim | conexion2000: if that's all you're doing, why not upgrade everything to sid/ |
| 14:57.55 | Guerin | conexion2000: without /selinux mounted, I mean. |
| 14:57.55 | jim | ? |
| 14:58.03 | SimonRaven | (well, if you wanna get techinical, it is, but not serious) |
| 14:58.04 | Nurbs | is there any difference between "Pin: release unstable" and "Pin: release a=unstable", semantically? :) |
| 14:58.14 | conexion2000 | yes, I said that it is harmless |
| 14:58.35 | conexion2000 | computer works fine, but I would like to know just which program calles /selinux |
| 14:58.43 | SimonRaven | Nurbs: *shrug*. mine's like that 'cause it did it a long time ago, and haven't touched it |
| 14:58.46 | jim | what does your /etc/fstab say about /selinux |
| 14:58.52 | conexion2000 | nothing |
| 14:58.54 | stew | conexion2000: what version does "dpkg -l libc6 |
| 14:58.59 | stew | conexion2000: what version does "dpkg -l libc6" report? |
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| 14:59.10 | Guerin | Nurbs: when talking about debian Release files, no, but I believe that it could make a difference with some specially-crafted 3rd-party Release files |
| 14:59.18 | Nurbs | mhm |
| 14:59.20 | conexion2000 | 2.3.5-6 |
| 14:59.21 | Guerin | Nurbs: I struck something like this with a 3rd party repo once |
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| 14:59.36 | conexion2000 | Guerin: no third party repo |
| 14:59.38 | Nurbs | I pin those mostly by Pin: origin foo |
| 14:59.40 | Guerin | conexion2000: you're using sid |
| 14:59.46 | jim | conexion2000: well... since you're using sid packages and want to test the system... you are reading the source code to determine if there might be problems installing? |
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| 14:59.48 | Guerin | conexion2000: i was talking to Nurbs |
| 15:00.02 | conexion2000 | Guerin sorry |
| 15:00.36 | jim | conexion2000: you might as well upgrade the rest of the way... the libc you have is the sid one |
| 15:00.36 | stew | conexion2000: you aren't on sarge anymore |
| 15:00.50 | conexion2000 | but can You tell me which program or script calles selnux?? |
| 15:01.09 | jim | conexion2000: no; I have no idea. |
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| 15:02.02 | SimonRaven | conexion2000: in this case, it's a mountpoint for SELinux stuff, i think it has to do with selinux policies |
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| 15:02.34 | SimonRaven | it's in the init script... |
| 15:02.48 | conexion2000 | okay I will upload somewhere my kern.log file and I will show You the line and please tell me if it is a yet kernel or already init process |
| 15:02.57 | Nurbs | oh, apt-cache policy without packages is interesting. |
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| 15:04.53 | Varanger | hi |
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| 15:05.32 | evangelion | Installing sarge on an hp proliant i can't load cdrom device even if installation process started from it, do you have any hints? |
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| 15:05.43 | conexion2000 | it is http://rapidshare.de/files/6566370/kern.txt.html |
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| 15:05.49 | evangelion | do i need to load some extra modules? |
| 15:05.54 | evangelion | maybe via usbstorege? |
| 15:06.12 | Varanger | I always use GNOME |
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| 15:06.18 | trek123 | floppy |
| 15:06.23 | Varanger | but I installed Enlightenment via apt-get |
| 15:06.28 | jim | evangelion: there might be some stuff indexed by google that can help |
| 15:06.31 | conexion2000 | just click free |
| 15:06.39 | Varanger | and now I am booting into Enlightenment |
| 15:06.45 | evangelion | jim: i'm looking for it now |
| 15:06.45 | Varanger | how can I return to GNOME ? |
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| 15:07.43 | conexion2000 | directly my kernel log is: http://dl8.rapidshare.de/files/6566370/107798600/kern.txt |
| 15:07.50 | mellow | hi. got some probs with aterm. while moving the window the bg color changes to something brown. it also changes if the window is inactive. any hints? |
| 15:08.19 | fbi | Varanger: install a display manager |
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| 15:08.33 | trek123 | gdm |
| 15:08.35 | Varanger | fbi: I use GDM |
| 15:08.49 | Varanger | but Enlightenment is the default option |
| 15:09.51 | tarzeau | mellow: got transparency on? |
| 15:09.57 | StanTheMan | SimonRaven: changed BIOS to PIO mode 4. about to see if that helped |
| 15:09.59 | tarzeau | mellow: does part of the window go out of the screen? |
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| 15:10.06 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 15:10.25 | StanTheMan | hmmm |
| 15:10.41 | mellow | tarzeau, no transparency and no part out of the screen. |
| 15:10.58 | tarzeau | mellow: and not reported at bugs.debian.org/aterm yet? |
| 15:11.07 | Asmodee` | im using debian sarge and courier for pop3. in outlook if i choose "log on using Secure Password Authentication" the login fails regardless of my SSL setting. But if i do not choose that option and use SSL it works. What do I have to do to fix this? |
| 15:11.10 | tarzeau | mellow: a screenshot could be helpful |
| 15:11.16 | StanTheMan | SimonRaven: damit Still getting the DMA errors and huge lag upon bootup. Changing the BIOS IDE mode didn't change the kernel driver mode. |
| 15:11.22 | tarzeau | mellow: also telling if you have 8bit or more graphics |
| 15:11.37 | stew | Asmodee`: secure password authentication is a microsoft only thing, don't use it with courier |
| 15:11.38 | SimonRaven | StanTheMan: may have to set it with hdparm |
| 15:12.15 | fbi | Varanger: so what? pull down the menu and select Gnome if you wish. |
| 15:12.32 | stew | Asmodee`: SPA is for outlook talking to exchange only. if you are using SSL you are secure as you need to be |
| 15:12.52 | Varanger | fbi: The problem would be that Enlightenment'd disappear because it not an option now |
| 15:13.18 | fbi | Varanger: *shrug* i don't use a display manager, or enlightenment, or gnome. |
| 15:13.45 | trek123 | Varanger,make sure you install gnome |
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| 15:13.59 | fbi | trek123: isn't it obvious that he has it installed? |
| 15:14.10 | fbi | he said he already uses gnome. |
| 15:14.21 | Varanger | trek123: I am sure, it is installed |
| 15:14.30 | mellow | tarzeau: is there something like a incactive option? e.g. : aterm*background_inactive ? |
| 15:14.30 | Varanger | but I installed gnome-core and gdm first |
| 15:14.35 | StanTheMan | SimonRaven: shouldn't i be able to pass a kernel variable upon boot to put the PIIX4 driver into PIO mode? |
| 15:14.36 | Varanger | later, Enlighenment |
| 15:15.17 | Lee__ | would one be so kind to recommend a hardware RAID-5 controller with good drivers in the kernel. |
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| 15:16.10 | tarzeau | mellow: no idea about those |
| 15:16.16 | tarzeau | mellow: i've stopped using aterm |
| 15:16.30 | tarzeau | Lee__: smaller than 2 TB disks? |
| 15:16.30 | Varanger | I'll continue looking |
| 15:16.37 | Varanger | Another question |
| 15:16.45 | Varanger | I am setting up a ftp server |
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| 15:17.02 | Varanger | but I need to create an ftp account that can't log using ssh |
| 15:17.07 | Varanger | or via the console |
| 15:17.10 | Varanger | how can I do that? |
| 15:17.11 | tarzeau | Varanger: install vsftpd |
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| 15:17.30 | fatal__ | Varanger: set up pam to not use regular unix authentication. |
| 15:17.38 | trek123 | Varanger:proftpd |
| 15:18.09 | Lee__ | tarheelcoxn, yes |
| 15:18.48 | Lee__ | sorry |
| 15:18.48 | Lee__ | tarzeau, yes |
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| 15:19.20 | tarheelcoxn | tarzeau: Lee__ says yes |
| 15:19.20 | tarheelcoxn | ;) |
| 15:19.22 | fatal__ | Varanger: here's an example for vsftpd using dbm-files for user accounts: ftp://vsftpd.beasts.org/users/cevans/untar/vsftpd-1.2.2/EXAMPLE/VIRTUAL_USERS/ |
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| 15:21.29 | Varanger | fatal__: thanks! |
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| 15:22.11 | conexion2000 | okay guys I`ve got it |
| 15:22.18 | trek123 | http://www.proftpd.org/docs/example-conf.html |
| 15:22.26 | conexion2000 | /sbin/init calls selinux |
| 15:22.37 | fatal__ | Varanger: any ftpd with PAM support could do the same... (personally I'd use vsftpd though.... pureftpd might be a good alternative.) |
| 15:22.53 | conexion2000 | I modified /sbin/init from sid and it no longer calls selinux ;) |
| 15:23.00 | SimonRaven | pure-ftpd supports ldap too |
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| 15:23.21 | SimonRaven | conexion2000: um, why bother? it's just a harmless message |
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| 15:23.26 | fatal__ | SimonRaven: and there isn't an ldap plugin for PAM? |
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| 15:23.36 | SimonRaven | sure is |
| 15:23.53 | fatal__ | SimonRaven: then why not just use pam? why add extra code to every application? |
| 15:23.55 | SimonRaven | that's direct lookups though, the -ldap one |
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| 15:24.35 | SimonRaven | same reason you'd build it into other things |
| 15:25.18 | StanTheMan | what's the config file setting again to get both CPUs active in kernel compiling? |
| 15:25.41 | fatal__ | CONFIG_SMP ? |
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| 15:26.01 | petemc | StanTheMan: -j5 |
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| 15:26.12 | StanTheMan | no, there's a config file setting someone told me about log ago |
| 15:26.31 | StanTheMan | a compiler flag will do it also when you manually compile |
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| 15:26.40 | helix | anyone know what mouse driver ibook g4 uses? |
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| 15:27.02 | Varanger | thanks fatal__ |
| 15:27.02 | StanTheMan | but what I recall is a setting added to a config file that tells the "make" system to use both cpus for kernel compiles |
| 15:27.08 | stew | StanTheMan: if you are talking about make-kpkg using both cpus, then you want the CONCURRENCY_LEVEL env var |
| 15:27.09 | petemc | StanTheMan: -j5 |
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| 15:27.21 | StanTheMan | petemc: where do I put it? |
| 15:27.30 | petemc | StanTheMan: make -j5... |
| 15:27.34 | trek123 | proftpd supports pam |
| 15:27.35 | micker | hey all, I've got a strange issue... On my laptop, I have /dev/dha1 partitioned as a 5.8gig partition. using df -h it only shows as 2.0gigs. in cfdisk, its 5.8gigs and using print in parted its showing as being the full 5.8 gigs... how can I reclaim my missing 3.8 gigs? |
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| 15:27.56 | fatal__ | trek123: well... In my experience you want to avoid proftpd for other reasons.. ;) |
| 15:28.07 | StanTheMan | petemc: do you know what I'm talking about? The config file option, instead of a command line arg? |
| 15:28.24 | petemc | StanTheMan: seemingly not, i wasnt aware of such a thing |
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| 15:29.00 | stew | StanTheMan: man make-kpkg, you want CONCURRENCY_LEVEL |
| 15:29.04 | StanTheMan | I got it from a guru in this channel a couple of years back, but can't recall the setting.... |
| 15:29.11 | SimonRaven | helix: x or console? |
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| 15:29.20 | StanTheMan | stew: that's it!@ i remember it now |
| 15:29.23 | cahoot | StanTheMan: you've got the answer twice |
| 15:29.35 | oklinux | stew I got the resolution working |
| 15:30.02 | helix | SimonRaven: X |
| 15:30.04 | StanTheMan | stew: once again, you rock |
| 15:30.05 | stew | !yay oklinux |
| 15:30.06 | helix | SimonRaven: X and the keyboard both work but th emouse doesn't |
| 15:30.06 | helix | psmouse seems to do the wrong thing |
| 15:30.06 | SimonRaven | helix: imps2 |
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| 15:30.10 | StanTheMan | cahoot: what you mean? same result, but two different methods of activating the mechanism |
| 15:30.33 | helix | SimonRaven: that's in xorg.conf |
| 15:30.33 | SimonRaven | helix: /dev/input/mice? |
| 15:30.36 | helix | ImPS/2, /dev/input/mice |
| 15:30.37 | helix | yeah |
| 15:30.48 | trek123 | http://www.proftpd.org/localsite/Userguide/linked/x580.html |
| 15:30.49 | SimonRaven | it's not a psmouse ;) |
| 15:30.57 | helix | SimonRaven: yeah, but is there a driver? |
| 15:30.57 | stew | StanTheMan: he means i told you twice |
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| 15:31.05 | rikkus | hi |
| 15:31.06 | SimonRaven | helix: imps2 |
| 15:31.25 | Blackgoth | Erm, i have a strange problem(well i think its strange :X) My rig wont update to kernel 2.6, using the .deb file from debian.org command dpkg -i kernel-image-2.6-k7_101_i386.deb and the reson it gives that it depents on kernel-image-2.6-k7 depends on kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7; however: |
| 15:31.25 | Blackgoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:31.31 | SimonRaven | it's the same on a lot of mac ppcs |
| 15:31.32 | rikkus | anyone using the moinmoin debian package and have trouble getting it started up in standalone mode? |
| 15:31.55 | helix | SimonRaven: that's not a module |
| 15:31.55 | helix | SimonRaven: and that's already in xorg.conf |
| 15:31.55 | trek123 | ProFTPD requires PAM version 0.59 or better. The pam_sm_open_session system call is not provided in earlier versions and is a requirement of the PAM implementation within Proftpd. |
| 15:31.55 | trek123 | ProFTPD requires PAM version 0.59 or better. The pam_sm_open_session system call is not provided in earlier versions and is a requirement of the PAM implementation within Proftpd. |
| 15:31.55 | SimonRaven | it's the mouse driver |
| 15:31.55 | oklinux | stew my mouse setting is all screw up how do I readjust that ? |
| 15:32.00 | stew | !drxx oklinux |
| 15:32.00 | dpkg | oklinux: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 15:32.03 | helix | SimonRaven: modprobe imps2 says otherwise |
| 15:32.15 | SimonRaven | helix: it's not a module |
| 15:32.16 | mkl1525 | Hi, were can I add routes so that they are still available after reboot? |
| 15:32.18 | helix | how confusing |
| 15:32.25 | helix | SimonRaven: so s/mouse/imps2/ and it'll work? |
| 15:32.26 | stew | Blackgoth: why are you installing with dpkg -i, instead of just apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-k7? |
| 15:32.33 | helix | in the Driver section I guess |
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| 15:32.57 | StanTheMan | stew: where do I define the CONCURRENCY_LEVEL environment variable? |
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| 15:33.02 | SimonRaven | helix: #flood |
| 15:33.07 | StanTheMan | stew: or, how |
| 15:33.07 | stew | Blackgoth: kernel-image-2.6-k7 is just a virtual package that depends on 2.6.8-2-k7 but dpkg won't do the dependency resolution, apt-get will |
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| 15:33.13 | Blackgoth | stew because it gives the same error :( |
| 15:33.18 | helix | SimonRaven: to paste errors? I'm not ircing from that machine |
| 15:33.24 | stew | Blackgoth: what version of debian are you running? |
| 15:33.30 | helix | SimonRaven: but it says "No input driver matching 'impas2'" |
| 15:33.38 | SimonRaven | helix: no, me, pasting you an example |
| 15:33.40 | helix | er, imps2 |
| 15:33.41 | helix | SimonRaven: ok |
| 15:33.47 | win2lin | which is best debian based firewall distribution like ipcop & smoothwall |
| 15:33.51 | stew | StanTheMan: "export CONCURENCY_LEVEL=3" or "CONCURENCY_LEVEL=3 make-kpkg ..." |
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| 15:34.18 | fatal__ | helix: I've missed what you've said so far but posting anyway since it might help..... the kernel mouse drivers translate whatever protocol the mouse speaks into ImPS/2.... so what userspace programs (like X, gpm, and so on) sees is always ImPS/2 if you use kernel 2.6..... (this is not true for kernel 2.4 and earlier). |
| 15:34.33 | SimonRaven | yup |
| 15:34.36 | StanTheMan | stew: enter that from the bash command line? or insert it into a file somewhere? |
| 15:34.43 | stew | StanTheMan: command line |
| 15:34.59 | Blackgoth | just a sec stew |
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| 15:35.22 | sandman | diff en_US en_US.UTF-8 in terms of locales |
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| 15:35.39 | stew | Blackgoth: paste your sources.list into a pastebot or into #flood (don't paste here) |
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| 15:35.48 | win2lin | which is the best debian based enterprise firewall distribution like smoothwall and ipcop???? |
| 15:35.59 | StanTheMan | stew: will it be persistent for the current user's profile? Or will I need to set this variable every time I want to compile? |
| 15:36.09 | fatal__ | win2lin: depends on your needs I guess... |
| 15:36.25 | stew | StanTheMan: put it into a dotfile if you want it to be persistent |
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| 15:36.38 | stew | !wikifaq StanTheMan DotFiles |
| 15:36.39 | dpkg | StanTheMan: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 15:36.41 | win2lin | i want firewall,ips& vpn in a single box |
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| 15:36.53 | thorie_ | how do i run a syslog server on debian? |
| 15:36.56 | SimonRaven | every time i see 'enterprise' in a sentence, meant seriously, i shudder. thanks redhat, for ruining star trek |
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| 15:37.46 | Phated | Bahah. |
| 15:37.52 | Phated | Poor SimonRaven. |
| 15:38.03 | fatal__ | thorie_: syslogd is available in the default installation.... |
| 15:38.10 | SimonRaven | (not really, but you get my point ;) |
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| 15:38.58 | saloxin | thorie_: see /etc/init.d/sysklogd and the -r flag |
| 15:39.52 | jieter | I got some problems after migrating to kernel 2.6. Can you give me a link or something to a migrate FAQ? |
| 15:40.09 | valdyn_ | jieter: http://www.kernertrap.org/ |
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| 15:40.19 | valdyn_ | jieter: http://www.kerneltrap.org/ |
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| 15:40.29 | SimonRaven | sorry saloxin, couldn't resist :) |
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| 15:41.06 | jieter | valdyn_: is there no specific debian site? |
| 15:41.31 | stew | jieter: what specific problems are you having? |
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| 15:41.55 | sts | hello folks |
| 15:42.00 | stew | jieter: and what version of debian are you running? |
| 15:42.13 | sts | can anyone please give me a link to a debian bootsplas howto? |
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| 15:42.24 | jieter | stew: lp0 seams to be busy all the time and is posting garbage in dmesg |
| 15:42.39 | sts | s/bootsplas/bootspash/ |
| 15:42.57 | valdyn_ | !tell jieter -about vagueness |
| 15:43.04 | jieter | stew: Sarge. Also some problems with web pages. Ping does work, but it seams there are ding some packages |
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| 15:43.19 | stew | ding? |
| 15:43.33 | rikkus | dong!!!!! |
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| 15:43.39 | asg | stew: ping with larger packets == ding |
| 15:43.44 | stew | oh |
| 15:44.01 | asg | stew: that was a joke, I forgot the ':)' |
| 15:44.06 | jieter | stew: no, getting dead |
| 15:44.08 | khaz | dkpg: I downloaded several packages for MPlayer, installed them, I've got MPlayer icon in Applications->Multimedia menu, but when I start MPlayer it tries to run but ends without a word. What can be the reason? |
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| 15:44.24 | stew | ding: Graphical dictionary lookup program for Unix |
| 15:44.28 | valdyn_ | dpkg, what are you |
| 15:44.28 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 15:45.05 | stew | jieter: what packages? |
| 15:45.09 | sussudio | dpkg, who's your daddy |
| 15:45.09 | dpkg | you are my daddy, sussudio |
| 15:45.14 | valdyn_ | khaz: run it from a shell to see, likely the equivalent to your menu entry is 'gmplayer' |
| 15:45.18 | SimonRaven | a ding is a ping with a cowbell |
| 15:45.31 | jieter | stew: http |
| 15:45.36 | rikkus | a ding is a child's dong |
| 15:45.43 | stew | !+info http |
| 15:45.45 | dpkg | Package 'http' does not exist. |
| 15:45.52 | valdyn_ | khaz: why though did you install *several* mplayer packages? |
| 15:45.56 | trek123 | http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=49036 |
| 15:46.09 | khaz | dpkg: I'll try that |
| 15:46.25 | sussudio | trek123: why are you in here? |
| 15:46.40 | khaz | valdyn_: these that had in the name 'mplayer' |
| 15:46.51 | khaz | I omitted 'doc' package |
| 15:47.00 | trek123 | The gentoo bootsplash how to |
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| 15:47.14 | Estes2 | Hi everyone, i got this configuration A-----B-----internet B refuses to do the routing for A. I disabled all my firewall rules, masquerade seems enabled and i got /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward at 1... i dont get it, i need help please... anyone ? |
| 15:47.39 | abrotman | trek123: which doesn't apply to debian ? |
| 15:47.40 | sussudio | this isn't #gentoo |
| 15:47.49 | abrotman | Estes2: NAT ? |
| 15:47.57 | Estes2 | abrotman, yes |
| 15:48.03 | Estes2 | well i try to |
| 15:48.05 | Estes2 | :) |
| 15:48.21 | stew | trek123: i tried "emerge bootsplash" and it said "emerge: command not found" |
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| 15:48.44 | stew | </troll> |
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| 15:49.31 | khaz | valdyn_: I've tried shell and I got the messages: mplayer |
| 15:49.32 | khaz | MPlayer 1.0pre5-3.3.4 (C) 2000-2004 MPlayer Team |
| 15:49.34 | khaz | CPU: Advanced Micro Devices Athlon Thunderbird 1260 MHz (Family: 6, Stepping: 2)Detected cache-line size is 64 bytes |
| 15:49.35 | khaz | 3DNow supported but disabled |
| 15:49.37 | khaz | 3DNowExt supported but disabled |
| 15:49.38 | khaz | CPUflags: MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 0 SSE2: 0 |
| 15:49.40 | khaz | Compiled for x86 CPU with extensions: MMX MMX2 SSE SSE2 |
| 15:49.41 | abrotman | !ipmasq |
| 15:49.41 | dpkg | IP masquerading allows several machines to share one Internet connection. Learn about it at http://jgo.local.net/LinuxGuide/linux-ip-masq.html or don't mix the slink ipmasq deb and a 2.2.x kernel, or available at ipmasq.cjb.net, or ipmasq package is evil, before coming here to ask help with unexpected network problems, first remove it! See also: masq |
| 15:49.41 | khaz | Reading config file /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf |
| 15:49.43 | khaz | B³êdna instrukcja |
| 15:49.47 | abrotman | khaz: STOP PASTING |
| 15:49.49 | stew | !tell khaz about flood |
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| 15:50.46 | elro | hi there, where is the username and password for the cups web interface set? |
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| 15:51.07 | trek123 | gentoo has emerge command |
| 15:51.10 | asg | trek123: and debian doesn't |
| 15:51.20 | Estes2 | allright abrotman but my other machine does routing perfectly and the config sems to me exactly the same .... |
| 15:51.24 | Estes2 | :/ |
| 15:51.29 | khaz | last means 'error command' |
| 15:51.36 | trek123 | yes debian doesn't |
| 15:51.54 | abrotman | trek123: duh .. what's your point? |
| 15:51.55 | TwistedEmotions | !tell hacim about away |
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| 15:52.04 | en1gma | hi all |
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| 15:52.09 | pingouin_ | elro: use the root name/password |
| 15:52.21 | Estes2 | abrotman, this link is dead |
| 15:52.21 | en1gma | has anyone used "git" before? i think its a kernel patcher tool |
| 15:52.26 | rikkus | trek123: ever heard of bfinn? |
| 15:52.34 | pingouin_ | elro: and than add «classic» user in print group i think i think |
| 15:52.37 | rikkus | en1gma: it's written by Linus Torvalds |
| 15:52.45 | zinx | en1gma: it's a revision management tool |
| 15:52.55 | rikkus | that too |
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| 15:53.02 | abrotman | !git |
| 15:53.03 | trek123 | please see this http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=49036 |
| 15:53.05 | abrotman | bah! |
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| 15:53.07 | oklinux | hello stew |
| 15:53.07 | abrotman | trek123: STOP |
| 15:53.08 | hacim | TwistedEmotions: um, I didn't go away or come back, I changed my nick |
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| 15:53.14 | Tortel | all hail Linus! |
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| 15:53.18 | Tortel | :D |
| 15:53.23 | oklinux | mouse back to normal |
| 15:53.28 | TwistedEmotions | hacim: same shit |
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| 15:53.36 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: no it's not .. he's fine |
| 15:53.47 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: really? I got yelled ay for that? |
| 15:53.48 | stew | trek123: unless you have a debian related question, please /join #gentoo |
| 15:53.53 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: many people go /nick TwistedEmotions_away |
| 15:54.00 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: not by me |
| 15:54.01 | hacim | TwistedEmotions: calm down, we're all friends here |
| 15:54.09 | Estes2 | trek123, who cares ? if i ever want to hear about gentoo, i'll join #gentoo.... you're in #debian go paste your stuff away please |
| 15:54.12 | TwistedEmotions | basterds..! They lied! I'll killem all! |
| 15:54.13 | hacim | TwistedEmotions: my nick was not hacim_away |
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| 15:54.32 | TwistedEmotions | ok ok just kidding ;( sorry hacim |
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| 15:54.40 | hacim | TwistedEmotions: no prob. :) |
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| 15:55.12 | TwistedEmotions | hacim: if it will make you feel better.. it's probably abrotman 's fault... |
| 15:55.14 | abrotman | !alicekill hacim |
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| 15:55.19 | abrotman | !iaaf |
| 15:55.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, iaaf is It's All Abrotman's Fault (http://www.itsallabrotmansfault.org/) |
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| 15:55.20 | trek123 | i know |
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| 15:55.27 | trek123 | sorry |
| 15:55.31 | TwistedEmotions | hahah ;) |
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| 15:57.52 | antgel | bob2: ping |
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| 15:57.56 | scoates | hello. I'm looking to create a RAID-0 array from a currently-existing disk, and I'm worried about toasting /dev/hda3 (my set is: /dev/hda3 & /dev/hdc1)..; /dev/hda3 is currently mounted / -- is this possible without breaking my current system? |
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| 15:58.02 | bob2 | antgel: ? |
| 15:58.02 | abrotman | antgel: bing ? |
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| 15:58.33 | nephlim | hey guys, is there a command to reformat the drive to ntfs? |
| 15:58.41 | antgel | bob2: samba 3.0.20 still not made an appearance in unstable |
| 15:58.52 | antgel | abrotman: bong (dude) |
| 15:58.52 | en1gma | zinx so it dont actually patch a kernel? |
| 15:59.09 | abrotman | antgel: sweet ..what's mine say? |
| 15:59.14 | bob2 | nephlim: "boot windows" |
| 15:59.16 | stew | nephlim: if you want to use ntfs i assume you have windows, and you should do that with windows. ntfs support in linux is poor at best |
| 15:59.19 | abrotman | en1gma: git is like cvs .. but on crack |
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| 15:59.25 | en1gma | lol |
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| 15:59.42 | nephlim | no no, i want to delete deban and install windows, but i can only do this via network and putty |
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| 16:00.03 | stew | nephlim: put in the windows cd, and reboot |
| 16:00.03 | nephlim | so, i need to type the command to del the debian drive and reformat with ntfs |
| 16:00.10 | bob2 | antgel: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/samba/ |
| 16:00.10 | abrotman | !git is http://git.or.cz/ or http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git.html |
| 16:00.10 | dpkg | ...but git is already something else... |
| 16:00.13 | abrotman | bah |
| 16:00.17 | bob2 | antgel: it's there already |
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| 16:00.25 | stew | !git |
| 16:00.26 | dpkg | well, git is version control system that was started by Linus Toravalds, which is currently used to maintain the linux kernel, http://git.or.cz/, or http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git.html |
| 16:00.28 | en1gma | well i had made a post in a thread of a problem i was having with all the 2.6.13 kernels so far. and a guy replied and told me i need to patch my kernel and pointed me to the patch. i noticed it was in the "git" directory |
| 16:00.29 | bob2 | antgel: packages.debian.org is updated only once a day |
| 16:00.31 | nephlim | stew: i don't have a monitor or mouse hooked to the computer |
| 16:00.35 | petemc | nephlim: how do you plan to start the windows installer after you do that? |
| 16:00.44 | en1gma | yea i been reading the git stuff and am on the tut page now |
| 16:00.55 | nephlim | via the machine i'm using now, network install |
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| 16:01.33 | botein | hi |
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| 16:01.40 | beardy | nephlim: Are you asking us how to do a netinstall of windows? |
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| 16:01.43 | airox | sorry |
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| 16:02.13 | nephlim | beardy, no, i just want to know if there is a command i can type that will reformat the drive into ntfs, that's all |
| 16:02.22 | stew | nephlim: ther isn't |
| 16:02.30 | nephlim | okay, that's all i wanted to know |
| 16:02.44 | ccruz | asu cuanta gente |
| 16:02.51 | asg | ccruz: no |
| 16:03.06 | nephlim | it's not like i'm asking for widows tech support here, i've been using mandrake and debian for like 2 years now |
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| 16:03.14 | nephlim | i'm just doing an experiment |
| 16:03.14 | abrotman | !es |
| 16:03.15 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 16:03.15 | Overfiend | jim: that's not true, except while I'm unavailable, like now, flying to Spain |
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| 16:03.37 | beardy | nephlim: Have you asken in #mandrake too? |
| 16:03.38 | abrotman | Overfiend: but are oyu active in the xorg packaging still ? |
| 16:03.45 | Genghis | anyone knows what apt package i need to be able to compile modules? |
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| 16:03.58 | nephlim | no, becuase the mahcine is running debian so i thought i'd ask here first |
| 16:03.59 | abrotman | !m-a |
| 16:03.59 | dpkg | somebody said module-assistant was a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or the daddy, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential |
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| 16:04.10 | Overfiend | abrotman: not much lately |
| 16:04.17 | stew | Genghis: which module? |
| 16:04.21 | abrotman | Overfiend: so we'd get better results to bug gravity |
| 16:04.22 | abrotman | ? |
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| 16:04.34 | Genghis | modules written in c |
| 16:04.35 | Overfiend | abrotman: yes |
| 16:04.40 | en1gma | is anyone here using git with 2.6.13.4 |
| 16:04.40 | Genghis | like for example services modules |
| 16:04.45 | abrotman | and he's not here!!! .. damn gravity |
| 16:04.47 | en1gma | i want you to make me a bzImage |
| 16:04.54 | en1gma | with my .config |
| 16:04.56 | valdyn_ | Genghis: services modules? |
| 16:05.03 | c_cinq | hello |
| 16:05.04 | stew | en1gma: /msg dpkg kp |
| 16:05.06 | valdyn_ | Genghis: how about being a little less vague? |
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| 16:05.18 | Genghis | ircd services modules anope |
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| 16:05.46 | valdyn_ | Genghis: you are trying to compile an ircd ? |
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| 16:06.07 | tombs | hi all |
| 16:06.11 | Genghis | yeah, but the ircd aint no prob |
| 16:06.13 | Genghis | its the modules |
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| 16:06.26 | Genghis | and i do remember its related to a package that aint installed |
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| 16:06.43 | beardy | Genghis: install it then |
| 16:06.45 | c_cinq | I am getting an error in synaptic that I have never encountered before |
| 16:06.47 | stew | Genghis: you need at least build-essential |
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| 16:06.58 | valdyn_ | Genghis: i have no idea about any ircd but you might have chances to get help by telling which ircd you are talking about |
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| 16:07.07 | beardy | c_cinq: Don't tell us, let us guess. |
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| 16:07.34 | Genghis | (18:05:14) (Genghis) ircd services modules anope |
| 16:07.40 | c_cinq | beardy, go ahead |
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| 16:08.00 | StanTheMan | stew: btw, I compiled in the Tulip driver, and apparently it doesn't like the LNE100TX, even though we found docs that say Tulip is the correct driver. I'm recompiling the kernel now with the "Generic DECchip driver" |
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| 16:08.11 | c_cinq | I getting "Dynamic MMap ran out of room" |
| 16:08.19 | valdyn_ | !mmap |
| 16:08.20 | dpkg | well, dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ The release notes tell you to use Aptitude, not apt-get, for Sarge upgrades. see <release notes> |
| 16:08.26 | beardy | c_cinq: ... I meant, why don't you say what the error is, and not only that you never seen it before. |
| 16:08.41 | stew | Genghis: is there a good reason that you want to use anope instead of some other ircd that is packaged for debian? |
| 16:08.43 | c_cinq | and "E: Error occured while processing ggzd (NewVersion1) |
| 16:08.43 | c_cinq | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status" |
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| 16:08.57 | c_cinq | ok dpkg i'll try that |
| 16:08.59 | Genghis | stew lol |
| 16:09.10 | beardy | !lol |
| 16:09.10 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 16:09.30 | c_cinq | beardy thanks as well |
| 16:09.36 | mtnman | beardy: are you the one who was asking about ntfs partitions earlier? |
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| 16:09.45 | beardy | mtnman: ? |
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| 16:10.04 | oklinux | hello stew |
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| 16:10.12 | stew | !hi oklinux |
| 16:10.13 | dpkg | Long days and pleasant nights, sai oklinux! |
| 16:10.16 | mtnman | beardy: a non-affirmative answer makes me think "no" |
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| 16:10.29 | beardy | mtnman: You think correct. |
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| 16:10.31 | ensiferum | i have a question, are there i686 repos for debian ? |
| 16:10.41 | stew | ensiferum: no |
| 16:10.41 | oklinux | what do you mean dpkg |
| 16:10.41 | valdyn_ | ensiferum: no |
| 16:10.44 | beardy | ensiferum: No. |
| 16:10.56 | stew | !what are you |
| 16:10.56 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 16:11.01 | valdyn_ | ensiferum: for useless optimisations you ought to use gentoo |
| 16:11.12 | solemnwarning | if i install i386 version of debian on an athlon64 box do i compile kernels for K7 cpus or K8? |
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| 16:11.21 | FrustratedAdmin | exim router/transport question...to redirect to alternate host for local domains but unknown mailboxes...anyone? |
| 16:11.25 | oklinux | how do I stop the printer from printing I did the test print now is kicking out blank paper. |
| 16:11.39 | xoz | oklinux: pull the plug |
| 16:11.42 | ensiferum | valdyn_: is it proved that i686 brings no speed improvement ? |
| 16:11.47 | Blackgoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:11.48 | mtnman | oklinux: unplug the printer |
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| 16:11.54 | valdyn_ | solemnwarning: you can just compile *for* k8, but you cannot compile to 64 bit code w/o cross compiling |
| 16:12.01 | xoz | !boobietrap |
| 16:12.01 | dpkg | 5..4..3..2..1....... b(.)><(.)m! |
| 16:12.01 | beardy | mtnman: nephlim asked about that. |
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| 16:12.08 | oklinux | I did but when reboot the computer still doing the same thing |
| 16:12.22 | Zugschlus | FrustratedAdmin: redirect router, route-data the alternate host, domains = +local_domains, after the router doing local delivery |
| 16:12.29 | mtnman | beardy: thanks |
| 16:12.41 | sussudio | !shave beardy |
| 16:12.43 | Zugschlus | FrustratedAdmin: and take provision on the alternate host that the mailboxes hosted on your machine are reachable. |
| 16:12.46 | solemnwarning | so best idea is to compile kernel for K7? |
| 16:12.49 | Zugschlus | FrustratedAdmin: basically, you#re asking for trouble |
| 16:12.49 | valdyn_ | ensiferum: its usually insignificant, for some packages there is 686 versions, like 'libc6-686' |
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| 16:13.41 | mtnman | nephlim: still there? |
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| 16:13.46 | nephlim | yeah |
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| 16:13.48 | nephlim | what's up |
| 16:13.52 | ReignWolve | hello |
| 16:13.55 | Jimmymaniac | Hi. Quick question: A 600Mb file in a CD. The CD has a scratch. I try to copy it, stops at about 200Mb. I want to copy the parts that are ok and then give it to BT so that it only redownloads the bad part. Is there an apt-get-able util that i can use to snatch the file from the CD? |
| 16:14.02 | valdyn_ | ensiferum: beside that, debian packages are compiled optimised not for 386, but for 586. The name 386 is kept for technical reasons. Debian does *not* work on plain 386 cpu |
| 16:14.05 | mtnman | nephlim: did you get a solution the the ntfs partition thingy? |
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| 16:14.13 | beardy | Jimmymaniac: man dd |
| 16:14.19 | oklinux | stew what non profit do you work for ? |
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| 16:14.29 | nephlim | mtnman, not really they are telling me that it can't happen |
| 16:14.42 | stew | oklinux: i do not work for a non profit |
| 16:14.43 | mtnman | nephlim: refresh my memory... what are you trying to do? |
| 16:14.47 | Jimmymaniac | beardy: heh, thanks, here's where i go "DOH!" and smack my forehead :) |
| 16:14.50 | FrustratedAdmin | Zugschlus: i'm just moving mailboxes off the alternate host (old server), and just want the new server to to relay to IP=xx.xx.xx.xx in case of unknown_user@mydomain.com ...sorry, your response was a little greek to me heh heh |
| 16:14.54 | nephlim | so i guess i need to find a monitor and xtra gear and do it with some tool in kde |
| 16:15.00 | beardy | Jimmymaniac: :) |
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| 16:15.16 | nephlim | mtnman, i'm trying to remove debian and reformat with nfts via putty from another machine |
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| 16:16.00 | mtnman | nephlim: okay, i had misunderstood your intention |
| 16:16.03 | sgeigerbot | Does someone know: Can you run a cygwin ssh server on a windows box and be able to run python and do any random thing to the box via python? Or would a better solution be to install a python ssh sever? *The original goal*, however, was to do rsync backups of a windows server via ssh. But now that I'm thinking about it, I'm salivating about the prospect of doing command-line work on the server, as well--or, at the very least, |
| 16:16.03 | sgeigerbot | via python. |
| 16:16.03 | ensiferum | valdyn_: then i guess the question is i586 vs i686 |
| 16:16.15 | valdyn_ | ensiferum: yea |
| 16:16.52 | valdyn_ | ensiferum: use the special packages where available, dont worry about this at all beyond that, there's nothing worth an effort to be gained. |
| 16:16.55 | stew | sgeigerbot: i use cygwin sshd on a few windows servers to run perl scripts on them, works fine |
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| 16:17.54 | ensiferum | valdyn_: then why the fuss with gentoo ? there are 700 ppl in that channel |
| 16:18.00 | valdyn_ | ensiferum: the most significant speed advantages cannot be gained by the compiler fyi, they're done by assembly code using sse(2) etc |
| 16:18.12 | stew | sgeigerbot: the thing that sucks is that afaik there is no port of screen for cygwin |
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| 16:18.26 | sgeigerbot | stew: what type of perl installation are you using? is that a perl installed inside cygwin or an activestate perl? |
| 16:18.33 | valdyn_ | ensiferum: read that channel for a while, you might notice that its more often kids than serious users ) |
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| 16:18.56 | sgeigerbot | stew: I assume the former, based on your comment about screen. |
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| 16:19.13 | stew | sgeigerbot: tried both but had some problems with cpan modules in the cygwin port so switched to activestate, which has been flawless |
| 16:19.39 | valdyn_ | ensiferum: now that doesnt mean that i dont respect gentoo and what they do, but for most things there's no point in playing with compiler optimisations |
| 16:19.56 | SimonRaven | indeed |
| 16:19.57 | c_cinq | dpkg: I created /etc/apt/apt.conf and added the line "APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;" And Synaptic worked as usual. thanks |
| 16:20.26 | valdyn_ | ensiferum: and for 'special' cases, there's special (math) - software |
| 16:20.27 | SimonRaven | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 27 2003-06-23 14:23 /etc/apt/apt.conf |
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| 16:21.17 | ensiferum | valdyn_: well the thing is they got the best package repository ever, but it's all source :/ i guess it would be worth trying with a fast athlon64 & 1gb ram |
| 16:21.25 | SimonRaven | that's on the isntall that's both moved from one machine to another, to another HDD |
| 16:21.38 | SimonRaven | install* |
| 16:21.53 | valdyn_ | ensiferum: nah, gentoos repository is bleeding edge, debians is bigger and better tested |
| 16:21.58 | sgeigerbot | stew: sweet. Have you seen copssh? It installs a minimal cygwin environment. I was wondering whether I might be able to get away with using that to run python. Have you had experience with it? Or, the better question is, how are you running the activestate perl? Did you just put perl into the path? Or did you have to use /cygdrive/c/perl/perl.exe or something like that to execute it? |
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| 16:22.33 | Tortel | w00t |
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| 16:22.49 | valdyn_ | !gentoo |
| 16:22.50 | dpkg | i heard gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/ or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg |
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| 16:22.53 | SimonRaven | as you can imagine, it's getting crufty... |
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| 16:23.51 | valdyn_ | ensiferum: feel free to read one of the *bsd faqs on why you are better off not compiling things yourself |
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| 16:23.57 | stew | sgeigerbot: haven't heard of copssh, just went with regular cygwin becuase its what i know and didn't want to spend any time figuring anything new out. for perl: ln -s /cygdrive/c/Perl/bin/perl.exe /usr/bin/perl |
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| 16:24.15 | pipeline | stew: You could use SFU, the officially supported option. |
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| 16:24.44 | Bad | hola |
| 16:24.48 | mkl1525 | Hi, using debian sarge and exim and I want to rewrite the from email-address of my outgoing mails. Have added mkl: mkl@gmx.de to /etc/email-addresses and restarted exim but my mails still have mkl@myprovider.xx - any suggestions how to solve the problem? |
| 16:24.59 | Bad | quen habla en español |
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| 16:25.03 | Bad | hola |
| 16:25.03 | FrustratedAdmin | Zugschlus: i'm just moving mailboxes off the alternate host (old server), and just want the new server to to relay to IP=xx.xx.xx.xx in case of unknown_user@mydomain.com ...sorry, your response was a little greek to me heh heh |
| 16:25.04 | beardy | !es |
| 16:25.04 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:25.10 | SimonRaven | #debian-es |
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| 16:25.23 | SuperPhly | OK, so my adaptec 39320 controller is recognized (or so i think it is) but it cannot find any drives... i'm using the netinstall image with the 2.6 kernel on a Dell Precision 380... any ideas? |
| 16:25.32 | stew | pipeline: yeah thought about that too, but was too lazy to figure it out, and knew with cygwin it would be one stop shopping |
| 16:25.48 | stew | well i guess it wasn't one stop shopping since i ended up with activestate perl :) |
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| 16:26.17 | SimonRaven | well, at least it's perl =) |
| 16:26.33 | FrustratedAdmin | exim question...want exim to accept all email for +local_domains, but for unknown localparts relay to IP of old server (where the mailbox likely exists)...anyone? |
| 16:26.47 | SimonRaven | #exim |
| 16:26.54 | FrustratedAdmin | w00t! |
| 16:26.58 | FrustratedAdmin | thanks |
| 16:26.59 | StanTheMan | hmmm... why did the "default" woody 2.2.20 kernel tulip driver work fine, and when I build my own kernel with the driver, the card doesn't autonegotiate correctly? |
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| 16:27.12 | valdyn_ | !tulip |
| 16:27.12 | dpkg | tulip is, like, at http://www.scyld.com/network/tulip.html or http://www.bmen.tulane.edu/~siekas/tulip.html, (or ask me about 2.2 tulip) |
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| 16:27.20 | sgeigerbot | stew: c:\WINNT\system32\ln.exe: symbolic links are not supported on this system <-- do I have to have the posix subsystem installed? |
| 16:27.21 | SimonRaven | got pickier when it 2.6 |
| 16:27.29 | SimonRaven | !2.2 tulip |
| 16:27.30 | dpkg | Get Becker's new tulip.c and pci-scan.c (ask me about tulip), and compile them. You may have to add -I/usr/src/linux/include to the gcc command lines, if you're using a custom kernel. or ask me about "scyld" or "building scyld" |
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| 16:28.18 | StanTheMan | valdyn_: I'm using an LNE100TX card. Are you sure it's the Tulip driver? Also, my new kernel is 2.4.27 |
| 16:28.18 | valdyn_ | sgeigerbot: i think ntfs doesnt support symlinks at all |
| 16:28.18 | valdyn_ | StanTheMan: i have no idea |
| 16:28.25 | stew | sgeigerbot: i used ln that came with cygwin as /usr/bin/ln.exe |
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| 16:28.57 | thorie_ | how do i run a syslog server on debian? |
| 16:29.01 | ensiferum | !greenhouse |
| 16:29.01 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 16:29.16 | valdyn_ | !gentoosmite ensiferum |
| 16:29.18 | fireba11 | hahah |
| 16:29.30 | dondelelcaro | thorie_: install syslog-ng and have it listen to a specific port for connections from a specific IP |
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| 16:29.35 | Estes2 | Hi everyone, i got this configuration A-----B-----internet B refuses to do the routing for A. I disabled all my firewall rules, masquerade seems enabled and i got /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward at 1... i dont get it, i need help please... anyone ? |
| 16:29.36 | stew | thorie_: there is a comment about -r at the top of /etc/init.d/syslogd |
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| 16:29.57 | ensiferum | well i'm very curious about those percent speeds, i head it's like 10% not 0.8% |
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| 16:30.07 | Alphix | Estes2: do you have the A----B part using private IP addresses? |
| 16:30.12 | SimonRaven | ensiferum: that factoid is random |
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| 16:30.28 | Estes2 | Alphix, yes, 10.0.0.x |
| 16:30.40 | valdyn_ | ensiferum: most of your real life applications are *not* cpu bound, meaning the only way to make them faster would be to get a better harddisk |
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| 16:30.52 | stew | ensiferum: i have never actually seen any real benchmarks |
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| 16:30.55 | Alphix | Estes2: then ip_forward isn't enough, you need the netfilter nat module setup and configured as well |
| 16:31.03 | valdyn_ | ensiferum: or a better internet connections ) |
| 16:31.07 | Nurbs | what is debian x86 compiled for nowadays? 486? Pentium? |
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| 16:31.34 | Estes2 | Alphix, i got a "twin" machine with the exact same modules loaded and it works on this |
| 16:31.36 | beardy | Nurbs: i386 of course |
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| 16:32.00 | Nurbs | I thought it was using 486 optimizations since I'm-not-sure-when |
| 16:32.07 | stew | sarge doesn't support 386 anymore dunno if that means things are compiled 486 though |
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| 16:32.15 | concept10 | when a application is "sleeping" does it still consume memory? |
| 16:32.31 | thorie_ | dondelelcaro: i installed syslog-ng .... but i dont know how to make it listen |
| 16:32.35 | Alphix | Estes2: I would anyhow look at http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO/NAT-HOWTO.html (especially sect 6.1) and make sure you have source nat setup properly |
| 16:32.37 | beardy | Nurbs: Perhaps since sarge yes, but I guess it doesnät affect all packages. |
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| 16:32.50 | Estes2 | Alphix, allright |
| 16:32.53 | Estes2 | thanks |
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| 16:33.02 | valdyn_ | ensiferum: now you could say that you do video encoding and such, but in this case the codecs probably use cpu extensions that are not covered by your compiler but by plain assembly |
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| 16:33.30 | beardy | concept10: Of course, it needs space to sleep in, you can't sleep good floating in vacuum, a bed is nicer (which stands in the memorybedroom) |
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| 16:33.53 | thorie_ | anyone know how to make syslog-ng listen to a certain IP address? |
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| 16:34.16 | ensiferum | anybody here ever used/uses archlinux ? i'm using it right now and i'm pretty happy with it |
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| 16:34.21 | stew | thorie_: have you looked at /usr/share/doc/syslog-ng ? |
| 16:34.21 | Estes2 | Alphix, i did it the way they say... |
| 16:34.27 | Nurbs | if 386 isn't supported at all -mcpu=i486 -mtune=pentium3 or similar could be sensible... |
| 16:34.37 | Estes2 | exactly as on the other machine too... which works |
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| 16:34.49 | Nurbs | anyway, that's not too important now that x86-64 emerges. |
| 16:34.50 | stew | Nurbs: -mtune=pentium3 wouldn't be sensible |
| 16:35.19 | Alphix | Estes2: can you ping box B from box A and vice versa? |
| 16:35.23 | Nurbs | stew: some value that satisfies the average user. |
| 16:35.27 | Estes2 | yes i can |
| 16:35.29 | valdyn_ | Nurbs: 386 is no supported. But that is not b/c of optimisation flags but b/c glibc ( or was it gcc? ), anyway one of the core components uses stuff that does not function on 386 |
| 16:35.43 | stew | Nurbs: some value that supports the minimum user? |
| 16:35.45 | sgeigerbot | valdyn_: this lets you do symlinks: http://www.sysinternals.com/Files/Junction.zip |
| 16:35.51 | sgeigerbot | stew: ln.exe does hardlinks |
| 16:35.52 | Nurbs | stew: that doesn't make sense. |
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| 16:35.55 | valdyn_ | sgeigerbot: ah, thanks |
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| 16:35.59 | Nurbs | stew: that is what -mcpu is used for |
| 16:36.22 | sgeigerbot | valdyn_: ...and that might work only on directories. |
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| 16:36.38 | Alphix | Estes2: try using tcpdump to see if you see the incoming packets from A on the B host when A tries to contact a host on the internet, also make sure you have B setup as default gateway for A |
| 16:36.42 | Nurbs | ah, I don't care that much about it. was just wondering... |
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| 16:36.46 | Nurbs | valdyn_: ic :) |
| 16:36.49 | sgeigerbot | valdyn_: not sure |
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| 16:37.18 | Estes2 | Alphix, yeah... i'll do this way... i just have loads of traffic... |
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| 16:37.23 | iss | hi |
| 16:37.25 | Estes2 | Alphix, thanks... |
| 16:37.27 | stew | sgeigerbot: *shrug ; touch /tmp/foo ; ln -s /tmp/foo /tmp/bar ; doesn't complain or anything |
| 16:37.27 | Estes2 | :) |
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| 16:37.47 | thorie_ | can someone help me? |
| 16:37.56 | iss | How can I mount a ufs2-partition on debian sarge? |
| 16:38.01 | iss | kernel is 2.6.* |
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| 16:38.04 | thorie_ | how do i get syslog to listen for logging messages from another box |
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| 16:38.20 | sgeigerbot | stew: maybe you have services for unix installed? |
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| 16:38.57 | asg | iss: man mount (search for Mount options for ufs) |
| 16:39.01 | sgeigerbot | stew: *shrug ...command not found. (Coudln't resist) |
| 16:39.03 | ensiferum | what i don't like about debian.. everything i use is unstable, so i have to wait like 2 years for you to decide it's stable and put it on the main repo |
| 16:39.29 | stew | sgeigerbot: i'm relatively sure that it's not intstalled unless it comes stock on 2k3 or somehting (at least i think these machines are 2k3) |
| 16:39.42 | thorie_ | syslog-ng -r says that "-r" is a bad option... what the hell is going on???? |
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| 16:39.53 | stew | sgeigerbot: i didn't install it, and i'm pretty sure that none of the other poeple who use this box want to have anything to do with unix |
| 16:40.07 | beardy | ensiferum: So you switch what you run each two years to something new, unstable? |
| 16:40.10 | asg | thorie_: you setup listeners in syslog-ng's config file. |
| 16:40.15 | Alphix | Estes2: you should be able to eliminate the noise with proper matching rules to tcpdump |
| 16:40.23 | stew | sgeigerbot: and i'm sure its symlinks becuase it will let me link directories (which you can't do with hardlinks) |
| 16:40.27 | sgeigerbot | stew: ok, then that might be a difference between what I have installed and a full cygwin, like what you have. |
| 16:40.38 | sgeigerbot | stew: ok |
| 16:40.47 | thorie_ | asg: how do i do that? |
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| 16:41.05 | asg | thorie_: read syslog-ng(5) |
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| 16:41.23 | thorie_ | asg: i did |
| 16:41.36 | thorie_ | asg: i couldnt find anything about listening for an IP address |
| 16:41.50 | asg | thorie_: in the default debian installed file the following occurs: |
| 16:41.52 | asg | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:41.52 | asg | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:41.53 | asg | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:42.01 | iss | asg: I tried mount -t ufs -o ufstype=44bsd ... |
| 16:42.03 | iss | no success |
| 16:42.17 | iss | It's a ufs2-partition that was created on fbsd. |
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| 16:42.23 | asg | iss: hmm, ufs2 may not be supported at this time. |
| 16:42.36 | asg | iss: also, I think even ufs is still read-only |
| 16:42.52 | thorie_ | ok asg |
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| 16:43.20 | asg | thorie_: syslog-ng can also listen on tcp ports making it handy for stunneling your critical data. |
| 16:43.33 | thorie_ | cool thanks man ^_^ |
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| 16:43.52 | asg | thorie_: there is a good tutorial and overview in /usr/share/doc/syslog-ng/html |
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| 16:44.39 | SimonRaven | syslog-ng is nice. been using it a while. |
| 16:44.53 | asg | SimonRaven: syslog-ng + sec (really nice combo) |
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| 16:45.12 | SimonRaven | gonna look up sec, second time seen you mention it |
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| 16:45.43 | SimonRaven | perl, too, a plus imo |
| 16:45.44 | asg | SimonRaven: I used to use swatch but sec supports all sorts of time based and sliding window correlation functions. |
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| 16:46.12 | SimonRaven | oooh. neat |
| 16:46.23 | StanTheMan | well, i've never had much luck with tulip clone chips and the tulip driver, and I just happened to find a Compaq Branded PCI card with an Intel 82558B chip on it. So, I assume I'll use the Intel Pro 100B driver E100 (not the Becker one), and my NIC should work once again. |
| 16:46.28 | Estes2 | Alphix, yes, i know, i'm grepping... |
| 16:46.30 | Estes2 | :) |
| 16:46.52 | asg | SimonRaven: http://sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net/SEC-examples/article.html (a really good article) There's a part2 also that creates an sshd blocker for the recent attacks |
| 16:47.33 | StanTheMan | Intel Pro 100 is a better card/chip that Tulip isn't it? |
| 16:47.39 | SimonRaven | neat. i have daemonised script that uses hosts.deny, plus some iptables rules i ripped from somewhere |
| 16:47.43 | SimonRaven | a* |
| 16:47.44 | yxa | StanTheMan forget tulips. completely terrible experience with them in linux |
| 16:47.58 | asg | SimonRaven: http://sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net/SEC-examples/article-part2.html (part 2 of the article) |
| 16:48.09 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 16:48.28 | SimonRaven | thanks |
| 16:48.39 | asg | SimonRaven: :) |
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| 16:49.13 | asg | !sec is also sec(1) - simple event correlator (if you use swatch, throw it away and use sec) |
| 16:49.13 | dpkg | asg: okay |
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| 16:49.46 | StanTheMan | yxa: I've have a dual pentium 100 machine for a couple of years that I could NEVER get a tulip card to run on. Compiled identical kernels with the only exeption being the SMP support between two diffrerent "Tulip" kernels, and the SMP kernel killed the NIC, and with the uni-kernal, the Tulip card ran fine. |
| 16:50.34 | asg | StanTheMan: I have a 3com nic which, when placed in a machine running Windows XP, mysteriously causes netgear wireless routers to crash after 10 to 20 minutes. |
| 16:51.09 | sgeigerbot | stew: ah...it's working for me! Only one little problem, I can't use python interactively. However, python does execute scripts. |
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| 16:51.34 | pipeline | sgeigerbot: Python? Yech. If you want an interactive scripting language, use irb. |
| 16:51.35 | StanTheMan | yxa: from my personal experience alone I hate tulip with Linux. Unfortunately, most of the NICs I have use chips that are 21x4x clones.... |
| 16:51.36 | asg | sgeigerbot: can't use python interactively? why not? |
| 16:51.42 | oklinux | how do Install the lastest xfce 4.2.2 |
| 16:51.44 | sgeigerbot | pipeline: on windows? |
| 16:51.44 | pipeline | sgeigerbot: irb makes interactive python look pathetic. |
| 16:51.48 | pipeline | sgeigerbot: Sure, why not? |
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| 16:52.12 | jonas3 | okilinux, xfce sucks. Get WindowsMaker instead |
| 16:52.12 | sgeigerbot | pipeline: why didn't you just say "ruby" |
| 16:52.18 | yxa | asg i bet that took a while to isolate |
| 16:52.20 | sgeigerbot | pipeline: Dude, get a life. |
| 16:52.33 | sgeigerbot | pipeline: :-) just kidding. |
| 16:52.34 | pipeline | sgeigerbot: Because irb isn't part of ruby, it's a ruby debugger. |
| 16:52.45 | sgeigerbot | pipeline: A debugger? |
| 16:52.47 | yxa | StanTheMan i think its becoz tulip chipsets are most often use in cheap cards such as the Realtek |
| 16:52.49 | concept10 | anyone know what this is: EXT3-fs error (device hda1) in start_transaction: Journal has aborted. It just keeps repeating over and over again at the login |
| 16:53.00 | asg | yxa: yeah, esp since the XP machine is rarely booted so the correlation took months to figure out. |
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| 16:53.02 | sgeigerbot | pipeline: are you a gentoo user or someone I can trust? |
| 16:53.03 | pipeline | sgeigerbot: Yes. It's a great deal more than a simple interactive interpreter. It lets you do all sorts of wild things. |
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| 16:53.11 | pipeline | sgeigerbot: It's like a lisp repl for ruby :P |
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| 16:53.23 | sgeigerbot | pipeline: Is there an outline of these wild features somewhere online? |
| 16:53.48 | asg | sgeigerbot: ruby.org/wyld/features.html maybe? ;) |
| 16:53.53 | yxa | asg "months" sound real bad to me heh |
| 16:53.55 | pipeline | sgeigerbot: You won't need one. Fool around with it for a half hour. You'll be dazzled. :P |
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| 16:54.05 | StanTheMan | yxa: i agree. Two of the tulip cards are have are a D-Link and a Kingston. Kingston discontinued this KNE111TX years ago. I wonder why :P /me rolls eyes |
| 16:54.07 | asg | yxa: I don't use XP often, only to play the odd game from time to time. |
| 16:54.09 | headtrip | hi |
| 16:54.18 | sgeigerbot | jonas3: xfce4 does not suck. are you kidding me? |
| 16:54.21 | headtrip | can someone help me to install an ati driver with autoinstallation program? |
| 16:54.24 | sgeigerbot | jonas3: what's wrong with it? |
| 16:54.32 | stew | headtrip: /msg dpkg ati drivers |
| 16:54.52 | pipeline | sgeigerbot: Sure, you /can/ use irb as a simple interactive ruby, but it lets you really dig into things if you want to. |
| 16:54.57 | stew | headtrip: actually wait, do you really need 3d accelleration? |
| 16:55.05 | pipeline | concept10: Perhaps the filesystem is totally full? |
| 16:55.14 | yxa | StanTheMan basically they blow. so i've avoided them at all costs. linksys nics costs a couple bucks more but at least they're nice |
| 16:55.23 | headtrip | yes,I do |
| 16:55.24 | oklinux | hey stew would you mind helping me a little ? |
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| 16:55.50 | headtrip | I've just ons question |
| 16:55.57 | StanTheMan | yxa: I have an old compaq 5000R quad PPro machine with a factory installed Pro 100B. Installed woody, compiled my own 2.4.17 kernel, nic worked great, Smart2/P controller worked great. Everything went smooth as a baby's arse |
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| 16:56.15 | sgeigerbot | pipeline: give me some facts...or point me to some. Otherwise, I have a hard time believing you. You look like just another kid saying his language is the greatest. |
| 16:56.29 | StanTheMan | yxa: some Linksys nic models use a tulip clone |
| 16:56.29 | concept10 | pipeline, i dont think so. I have quotas on there plus theres nothing much more than a few files beyond the base install |
| 16:56.34 | sgeigerbot | pipeline: like what's the name of some of these features I should investigate? |
| 16:56.36 | pipeline | yxa, StanTheMan : Look, in this day and age, using a tulip card is pointless. 3com and Intel NICs go for 2$ apiece on ebay. Fuck it. |
| 16:56.36 | oklinux | can I just ap-get install xfce and get the latest xfce ? |
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| 16:56.56 | sgeigerbot | pipeline: Btw, if you are going to use python interactively, I recommend using ipython. |
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| 16:56.58 | pipeline | sgeigerbot: Alright, here's what it comes down to. You can use irb as a type reflector, to actually look at instantiated objects. |
| 16:57.08 | biesi | hm... I broke my dovecot, it "can't load shared library", anyone know why that would be? |
| 16:57.09 | headtrip | I'm going to installing the ati drive with an automatic program |
| 16:57.13 | sgeigerbot | pipeline: It makes the normal python interpreter look weak. |
| 16:57.22 | concept10 | you guys talking about ruby on rails? |
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| 16:57.32 | pipeline | sgeigerbot: I can't stand python. Ruby, perl, TCL, fine. Python: evil. :P |
| 16:57.33 | stew | oklinux: iirc you want xfce4 |
| 16:57.37 | yxa | pipeline heh that's what me and StanTheMan are going to eventually |
| 16:57.41 | octoberdan | Is there a way to get a list of every file within a directory and its children that contain a specific phrase? |
| 16:57.48 | stew | oklinux: apt-cache search --names-only xfce |
| 16:57.50 | sgeigerbot | pipeline: like so you can do tab-completion on the objects so that you can see the names of their member variables? |
| 16:57.57 | concept10 | my sarge box just went down, im pissed |
| 16:58.00 | StanTheMan | yxa: if this Compaq/Intel 100 card won't work, I'm going to install a "sure-thing" card. I have a $5 old ass winbond PCI card that I guarantee you will work with the Linux Winbond driver. :P |
| 16:58.29 | pipeline | sgeigerbot: Oh, yeah, but I counted that as one of the simple piddly shit things. I meant that you can view and manipulate private members, serialize objects, etc |
| 16:58.33 | biesi | oh. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=334180 |
| 16:58.42 | biesi | :( |
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| 16:58.47 | headtrip | I don't know,where I must to install when it ask me in which path install ati drive |
| 16:58.47 | headtrip | I think in //usr/local/share |
| 16:58.52 | octoberdan | It seems like linux should be capable of stuff like that.. |
| 16:58.56 | octoberdan | maybe grep or somthing? |
| 16:59.08 | yxa | StanTheMan chances are it will |
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| 16:59.15 | biesi | find -name \*foo\* |
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| 16:59.19 | biesi | -> octoberdan |
| 16:59.21 | pipeline | sgeigerbot: irb does indeed have tab-completion on objects, modules, what-have-you. I thought the regular python interpreter had that, though? |
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| 16:59.24 | biesi | oh |
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| 16:59.29 | biesi | octoberdan, find | xargs grep foo |
| 16:59.30 | octoberdan | biesi: Awesome1 Thanks |
| 16:59.37 | biesi | the first of those checks the filenames |
| 16:59.41 | biesi | the second the contents |
| 16:59.48 | valdyn_ | headtrip: dont use that installer, it will fuck up your system |
| 16:59.49 | octoberdan | Foo would be the phrase right/ |
| 16:59.50 | octoberdan | ? |
| 16:59.54 | biesi | if your filenames contain spaces: find -print0 | xargs -0 grep foo |
| 16:59.58 | biesi | octoberdan, right |
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| 17:00.30 | StanTheMan | yxa: what really pisses me off though is that everyone of these tulip cards I have will work with the tulip driver in the kernel included on the debian net install boot disks. So, there's some kind of config file on that boot disk that allows that tulip driver to work correctly with different cards. Why that same info isn't included and automatically installed with the Debian Kernel Source kit is beyond me. It's a pretty stupi |
| 17:00.42 | yxa | octoberdan jist grep phrase * in |
| 17:00.48 | yxa | the directory |
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| 17:01.27 | asg | octoberdan: grep -ilr 'phrase' /path/to/dir |
| 17:01.47 | asg | octoberdan: for a case insensitive match |
| 17:01.49 | stew | StanTheMan: i doubt that you are diagnosing your problem correctly |
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| 17:02.38 | concept10 | what is the best live cd for troubleshooting? |
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| 17:03.05 | fireba11 | concept10: depends ... hardware or software ? |
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| 17:03.16 | yxa | StanTheMan if i were you i'd just thrash the tulip and save some braincells |
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| 17:03.39 | concept10 | fireba11, im not sure, I keep getting this error after boot: EXT3-fs error (device hda1) in start_transaction: Journal has aborted |
| 17:03.42 | stew | StanTheMan: if you have a intell pro 100 card, by all means use it |
| 17:03.43 | oklinux | how do I install the latest xfce package ? |
| 17:03.49 | stew | oklinux: apt-get install xfce4 |
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| 17:04.59 | fireba11 | concept10: would suggest ultimate boot CD and do a HD check first |
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| 17:05.16 | interbird | oklinux: apt-get install xfce4 |
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| 17:05.26 | stew | StanTheMan: you could always install a debian kernel and let discover detect your tulip and see if it works there |
| 17:05.32 | GregAsche | how do I make apt-get stop telling me to run apt-get -f install |
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| 17:05.43 | stew | GregAsche: run apt-get -f install |
| 17:05.47 | thc | GregAsche: so what it says to resolve the issue of course |
| 17:05.49 | GregAsche | without doing that... |
| 17:05.55 | thc | s/so/do/ |
| 17:05.59 | GregAsche | i have the dependencies fixed, it just doesn't realize it |
| 17:06.08 | GregAsche | if I run that, it will un-install the package I just got working |
| 17:06.10 | stew | GregAsche: what is it complaining about? |
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| 17:06.30 | GregAsche | mplayer doesn't have libxvidcore4, libfaad2, libdirectfb |
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| 17:06.40 | GregAsche | but it does, I just had to install them manually |
| 17:06.44 | GregAsche | and it doesn't recognize that |
| 17:06.52 | EnsignRedshirt | Hello, world. |
| 17:06.56 | stew | GregAsche: did you install them from source? |
| 17:07.23 | GregAsche | stew: couple from source, couple i had to convert from rpm to deb file |
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| 17:07.45 | thc | !marillat |
| 17:07.45 | dpkg | i guess marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt >= 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> |
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| 17:08.04 | thc | GregAsche ^ |
| 17:08.05 | stew | GregAsche: ugh, you should have just used the marillat packages /msg dpkg marillat. now that you installed some from source, in order to tell dpkg about them you need to install some equivs, /msg dpkg equivs |
| 17:08.32 | GregAsche | okay, thanks |
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| 17:09.03 | StanTheMan | hehehehe |
| 17:09.16 | oklinux | stew Im im in xfce |
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| 17:10.25 | GregAsche | grr... I can't install equivs because it still gives me the warning message |
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| 17:10.40 | GregAsche | is there a a way to force bypass that so i can install equivs? |
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| 17:11.06 | valdyn_ | GregAsche: i would recommend you remove the stuff you aliened / compiled and use *just* marillat |
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| 17:11.31 | valdyn_ | GregAsche: easily the least painful way |
| 17:11.50 | GregAsche | no offense, but I just got it working, I'd rather not undo it |
| 17:11.57 | GregAsche | and does marillat have all the packages I need? |
| 17:12.01 | valdyn_ | GregAsche: yea |
| 17:12.50 | valdyn_ | GregAsche: marillat >> maintaining a dozen handcompiled / aliened packages |
| 17:12.52 | oklinux | so debian is very stable ? |
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| 17:13.52 | jim | oklinux: the released versions are, yes. -very- stable. |
| 17:14.20 | valdyn_ | oklinux: for what definition of stable? |
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| 17:14.39 | oklinux | I guess debian chat room are out number other chat room |
| 17:14.41 | valdyn_ | oklinux: linux doesn't really crash, no matter which distro ( provided your hardware is ok ) |
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| 17:15.22 | sussudio | valdyn_: s/hardware/hardware or drivers/ |
| 17:15.28 | asg | oklinux: stable means that in release code, you will never see bugs like this (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=155873) |
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| 17:15.53 | Inflate | hello, people, why I'm seeing this message after dist-upgrade from sid? (Install these packages without verification) |
| 17:16.08 | Inflate | I have installed the debian-keyring package |
| 17:16.13 | Inflate | but it still appear |
| 17:16.14 | sussudio | !bts |
| 17:16.14 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 17:16.20 | asg | Inflate: /msg dpkg apt secure |
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| 17:16.49 | valdyn_ | !apt secure |
| 17:16.49 | dpkg | apt secure is probably in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://www.syntaxpolice.org/apt-secure/ ; until you perform the steps described on page 5, you will get warnings about packages that can't be authenticated, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174 |
| 17:17.05 | jim | oklinux: Debian-3.1 is, for example, suitable for mission-critical servers. Having said that, you know that the admin person responsible for a server contributes to whether a server will operate properly or not, for the application he puts it to. |
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| 17:17.29 | Inflate | thank you |
| 17:17.49 | jim | in short, the software is up to the task, but you have to have a qualified person to maintain it. |
| 17:17.55 | valdyn_ | Inflate: for debian sources that issue should fix itself iirc, if you just go ahead upgrading |
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| 17:20.36 | Inflate | valdyn_ : I'm not using a pure Debian, I'm using knoppix 3.8, I make a search in knoppix's forum and didn't found any thing, also I had many problems in upgrade, so it was manually and not automatically by apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 17:20.49 | thc | ugh |
| 17:20.56 | oklinux | jim Im getting use to debian 2 days using it |
| 17:22.05 | jim | oklinux: one reason for the stability of -released- versions of debian... is that once released, the things inside -never- get upgraded to later versions |
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| 17:22.24 | iamalbac | Hello |
| 17:22.26 | Inflate | what about apt-key add /usr/share/apt/debian-archive.gpg ? |
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| 17:22.36 | Inflate | does it work ? |
| 17:22.54 | SimonRaven | yes |
| 17:23.00 | jim | try it and see... read the man page... find out how it works... |
| 17:23.03 | iamalbac | can you speek in ispanish |
| 17:23.03 | jim | you tell us... |
| 17:23.04 | Initiate | how can i open a bin file in linux ? |
| 17:23.10 | iamalbac | no |
| 17:23.11 | jim | !es |
| 17:23.12 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:23.21 | sussudio | !tejon |
| 17:23.21 | dpkg | http://faunaiberica.org/especies.php3?esp=52 |
| 17:23.24 | iamalbac | tonto |
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| 17:24.22 | oklinux | unlike mepis or mandriva or dsl its get update every month or so I get dizzy from it. |
| 17:25.00 | jim | some people like that, some don't |
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| 17:25.30 | barawiec | hello |
| 17:25.40 | jim | some say: "I want to run the latest everything all the time" so essentially we say "good luck with that..." |
| 17:25.55 | oklinux | I dont want to intall new version every month or so |
| 17:25.59 | thorie_ | when i type 'ps' on my debian box, i get an error message "Unknown HZ value! (45) Assume 100." |
| 17:26.02 | thorie_ | what does that mean? |
| 17:26.46 | jim | thorie_: is that error message listed in the man page for ps? |
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| 17:27.16 | thorie_ | jim: no |
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| 17:27.21 | Initiate | how can i open a bin file in linux ? or mdf/mds ? |
| 17:27.25 | stew | thorie_: that's a harmless warning that can be ignored. is it a machine that's been up for a long time? |
| 17:27.36 | thorie_ | stew: just for 2 days so far |
| 17:27.40 | jim | Initiate: open for what purpose? |
| 17:27.46 | StanTheMan | thorie_: uptime |
| 17:28.22 | Jtx | what can be done keeping java threads lightweighted under linux, i get overwhelmed by many tomcat processes |
| 17:28.31 | Initiate | jim, it's ann archive of a game |
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| 17:28.55 | SimonRaven | "my uptime-penis is bigger than your uptime-penis" # description of an uptime comparision session amongst the counter-culture known as geekdom |
| 17:28.59 | jim | Initiate: so what do you wish to do with this archive? |
| 17:29.07 | stew | thorie_: i had only seen it on servers that had been up for a few months, but if you google for that warning, i think you'll find that its innocuous |
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| 17:29.34 | Initiate | jim, just open it and copy the archived files |
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| 17:29.52 | jim | oh, so you must use the program it was archived with |
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| 17:30.02 | SimonRaven | Jtx: try #apache or #tomcat |
| 17:30.07 | thc | Initiate: didn't you just say you were running Knoppix? if so, ask in #knoppix. |
| 17:30.19 | StanTheMan | SimonRaven: hehe, until this past saturday, I'd have had everyone beat. This box I'm rebuilding for the smart host had 2.2.19 and potato on it, and had an uptime of over 500 days before I shut it down to move to this apartment. |
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| 17:30.25 | stew | SimonRaven: heh, yeah, "my box has been up longer than your box" these days can be translated as, "my kernel is more vulnerable than your kernel" |
| 17:30.36 | SimonRaven | quite |
| 17:30.40 | Initiate | thc,where did you see that? |
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| 17:30.51 | cahoot | StanTheMan: no security updates to consider? |
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| 17:30.56 | SimonRaven | StanTheMan: yikes |
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| 17:30.58 | StanTheMan | stew: oh hush. just let us have some fun hehe |
| 17:30.59 | Initiate | thc, and no - i`m using sarge |
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| 17:31.24 | thc | Inflate: sorry, confused you with someone with a very similiar nick |
| 17:31.30 | thc | err |
| 17:31.33 | thc | Initiate^ |
| 17:31.47 | Initiate | no problem thc |
| 17:31.52 | thc | i confused you with Inflate |
| 17:31.54 | StanTheMan | cahoot: it was sandboxed behind a firewall. No inbound ports routed to it. It just sat and crunched seti@home 24/7/365 :P |
| 17:32.14 | thorie_ | how can i put output to a file and display it on the screen at the same time? kind of like cat file.txt > newfile.txt ... except it actually does show the contents on the screen too... anyone know how to do this? |
| 17:32.14 | Initiate | so ... any idea how can i do that ? |
| 17:32.17 | chealer | stew, nah, it just means you know how to clean your kernel, like every good ricer. you debiloser |
| 17:32.25 | EnsignRedshirt | I'm creating a script for daily backups. Where is the "correct" place to put such a script? I mean, where would a a careful and organized sys admin (i.e. someone not like me) put such a script? |
| 17:32.38 | thc | how can i use getent to see all user accounts on a server (someone told me once but i can't remember) |
| 17:32.43 | SimonRaven | thorie_: tee, creative use of redirection |
| 17:32.46 | stew | chealer: heh |
| 17:32.52 | SimonRaven | thc: getent passwd |
| 17:32.55 | thc | i need to see all accounts, not just users that are logged in |
| 17:32.56 | Inflate | never mind |
| 17:32.56 | stew | thorie_: tee |
| 17:32.57 | cahoot | EnsignRedshirt: cron.daily? |
| 17:33.01 | thc | ahh yeah, cheers SimonRaven |
| 17:33.09 | SimonRaven | getent --help is well, helpful |
| 17:33.14 | SimonRaven | ;) |
| 17:33.15 | StanTheMan | cahoot: if no one can talk to a host, does it need to be patched? |
| 17:33.18 | faif | hello to all, where can I put a boot configuration script to the debian distro ? (I noticed that there is no an `/etc/rc.local' file) |
| 17:33.18 | sussudio | stew: Linux router 2.2.25 #1 Wed Sep 29 03:35:05 CEST 2004 i586 GNU/Linux 19:33:00 up 377 days, 23:47, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
| 17:33.27 | StanTheMan | cahoot: for security reasons that is? |
| 17:33.31 | thc | SimonRaven: yeah, but the whole 'key' thing was throwing me off, and the man page doesn't really explain it |
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| 17:33.46 | EnsignRedshirt | cahoot: I looks like cron.daily contains script that, by default, run at 6:25. I don't necessarily want to run the script at the same time as these. |
| 17:33.47 | asuffield | thc: note that not all NSS backends support enumeration. notably an LDAP server doesn't really |
| 17:33.50 | cahoot | StanTheMan: never mind me just trolling |
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| 17:33.55 | EnsignRedshirt | s/I looks/It looks/ |
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| 17:34.13 | SimonRaven | thc: e.g., getent -s files passwd $some-luser-Name |
| 17:34.29 | interbird | faif: /etc/profile for global |
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| 17:34.41 | thc | asuffield: thanks for the heads up, it worked fine though |
| 17:34.43 | SimonRaven | if you have several lookups for nss |
| 17:34.55 | SimonRaven | asuffield: yes it does |
| 17:35.03 | asuffield | thc: if you're using flat files it will, just be aware that it isn't guaranteed |
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| 17:35.50 | asuffield | SimonRaven: nss_ldap does not support paged queries, and neither does openldap. so there's a good chance you only get a partial list of responses |
| 17:35.53 | faif | interbird: it is a network configuration file (for the network card, the ip adresses, the routers, etc) |
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| 17:36.17 | asuffield | and the server generally isn't configured to permit it if the list is large |
| 17:36.25 | SimonRaven | asuffield: ok, sec, so we're on the same page (pardon the pun), what do you mean by 'paged queries'? |
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| 17:36.56 | interbird | faif: That should be handled by the normal init-scripts in /etc/init.d |
| 17:36.58 | asuffield | it's a part of the LDAP protocol which allows the server to send responses in pages, rather than sending the whole thing at once |
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| 17:37.00 | SimonRaven | asuffield: 'cause when i do a lookup, it spits out any and all queriable users (or other entries) |
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| 17:37.15 | asuffield | there's a limit on the size of an individual LDAP request/response |
| 17:37.22 | SimonRaven | oh ok |
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| 17:37.34 | asuffield | nss_ldap and openldap both just cut off when you reach it, and pretend that there aren't any more things to send |
| 17:37.39 | SimonRaven | yes, indeed there is. configured on the server side |
| 17:37.41 | asuffield | which is a lie |
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| 17:38.18 | SimonRaven | yup. i don't recall if the oldap folks changed that, but there certainly are limits |
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| 17:38.42 | asuffield | they didn't. the current answer to "How do I get user enumeration to work on my 10000 user directory?" is "You can't" |
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| 17:38.54 | _CleuToN_SAC_Bon | alguem da Bahia por ai? |
| 17:38.55 | asuffield | openldap really blows, and nss_ldap is pretty shitty too |
| 17:39.00 | jim | !br |
| 17:39.00 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 17:39.03 | SimonRaven | my reply is "you're kidding, right?" |
| 17:39.18 | asuffield | user enumeration isn't all that useful really |
| 17:39.41 | asuffield | everything in the system is designed to work without it |
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| 17:39.43 | SimonRaven | better than some slow-assed iplanet/sunone/netscape/whatever it's name is lately |
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| 17:40.02 | asg | SimonRaven: try managing 150k accounts in AD |
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| 17:40.26 | SimonRaven | dunno, is it just as slow? |
| 17:40.34 | asuffield | the AD LDAP server? yes |
| 17:40.39 | asg | SimonRaven: oh yes |
| 17:40.52 | asuffield | runs like a dog |
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| 17:41.00 | asuffield | consumes an *entire server* just to do that |
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| 17:41.15 | SimonRaven | thank goodness i don't have to admin it. eh, that sucks |
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| 17:41.18 | asg | SimonRaven: fortunately, we take mainframe dumps, and update both AD and a SQL server so we can actually use the data in some fashion. |
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| 17:41.28 | SimonRaven | heh |
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| 17:41.45 | StanTheMan | hmmm |
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| 17:41.51 | SimonRaven | right now i'm running a patched openldap 2.3.7 |
| 17:42.15 | EmleyMoor | I just compiled a patched openobex. I have installed it, but get the error "No such file or directory" referring to libopenobex-1.0.so.1, when I try to run obex_test |
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| 17:42.22 | Norbert | hi there; any way to fix flash for linux? (maybe add some fonts or something?) |
| 17:42.26 | EmleyMoor | What do I need to check on/edit/do to fix? |
| 17:42.27 | StanTheMan | i thought telnetd installed via apt get starts the daemon automatically, with a reboot or start command. Am I missing something? |
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| 17:42.45 | asg | StanTheMan: ewww, telnetd |
| 17:42.53 | asg | StanTheMan: check /etc/inet.conf |
| 17:43.02 | faif | sorry but I missed the answer, so where can I put a boot network configuration file which in other distros would exist in a file like /etc/rc.local? |
| 17:43.10 | asg | faif: /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 17:43.15 | StanTheMan | asg: im not fishing. Box is firewalled, and only inbound port will be TCP 25 |
| 17:43.31 | asg | StanTheMan: why not ssh? |
| 17:43.33 | interbird | Norbert: something wrong with it ? |
| 17:43.38 | EmleyMoor | How do I list known libraries? |
| 17:43.45 | Norbert | interbird: yes, some fonts are not visible |
| 17:43.49 | StanTheMan | asg: overhead, and it's not necessary |
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| 17:44.08 | asg | StanTheMan: if you say so, check /etc/inet.conf and make sure inetd is started |
| 17:44.08 | stew | faif: /msg dpkg man interfaces ; man interfaces |
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| 17:44.11 | interbird | Norbert: like ? |
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| 17:44.18 | StanTheMan | asg: the only machine that will ever have shell access to it is on the private LAN side of the firewall |
| 17:44.27 | stew | StanTheMan: he means inetd.conf |
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| 17:44.40 | Norbert | interbird: like, for example, Ganguro Girl 1.5 -> http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/66766 |
| 17:44.46 | asg | stew: thanks |
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| 17:44.48 | linuxmanju | does anyone have a working exp with nagios.. i need some help |
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| 17:45.11 | asg | linuxmanju: have you check #nagios yet? |
| 17:45.13 | StanTheMan | asg: my bad. Mistyped in original message. I have NOT rebooted since installing it with apt-get. The install process didn't ask for a reboot, and it didn't start inetd. |
| 17:45.15 | cahoot | ingen aning |
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| 17:45.19 | Norbert | interbird: choose "New Game", "Continue", and you will see you cannot see what name you enter |
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| 17:45.30 | Norbert | interbird: several other games and programs have the same problem |
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| 17:45.43 | stew | StanTheMan: you only have to reboot when changing hardware or kernels |
| 17:45.54 | stew | StanTheMan: /etc/init.d/inetd restart or pkill -1 inetd |
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| 17:46.16 | EmleyMoor | Why would a shared object file, clearly in place, appear not to be when running a program that depends on it |
| 17:46.19 | eeyore- | how's debian on 64-bit opterons? stable? stable-ish? |
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| 17:46.26 | r3gii | hi |
| 17:46.33 | interbird | Norbert: I'll first have to find the 'new game' button on this site :-) |
| 17:46.37 | asg | EmleyMoor: did you add the library path to /etc/ld.so.conf and run ldconfig? |
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| 17:47.07 | asg | eeyore-: #debian-amd64 probably knows also |
| 17:47.10 | Norbert | interbird: that's after you choose "PLAY THIS GAME" |
| 17:47.16 | stew | Norbert: my wife was having that problem and i tried for a long time to figure it out, our two laptops are nearly identically configured, and the other day it just started working |
| 17:47.22 | linuxmanju | does anyone have a working exp with nagios.. i need some help ||| |
| 17:47.38 | Norbert | stew: could it be I have to install urw-fonts or ttfonts? |
| 17:47.39 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... found it |
| 17:47.53 | EmleyMoor | Why would ld.so.conf be edited without my knowledge? |
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| 17:48.10 | StanTheMan | it's listed in inetd.conf: telnet stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.telnetd |
| 17:48.10 | asg | EmleyMoor: some packages might add bits to it |
| 17:48.18 | eeyore- | EmleyMoor: some packages might add path to its libs |
| 17:48.19 | stew | Norbert: we had identical font packages installed and it worked on mine not hers, but it eventually just started working somehow on hers, which version of debian are you running? (we were both on etch) |
| 17:48.33 | Norbert | stew: stable |
| 17:48.35 | eeyore- | EmleyMoor: if they don't do that, *you* have to do it, and it might happen you forget |
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| 17:48.45 | oklinux | hey stew do you use kde or gnome ? |
| 17:48.51 | interbird | Norbert: I have the same, but I'm not a gamer; sorry :-( |
| 17:48.52 | Norbert | stew: I'm installing gsfonts-x11 currently, that may fix it |
| 17:49.07 | stew | Norbert: i'd be insterested in hearing if that fixes it |
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| 17:49.11 | r3gii | i got a lot of this message: usb-ohci.c: USB suspend: usb-00:01.2 |
| 17:49.14 | stew | oklinux: no, i use ion3 |
| 17:49.23 | asg | !tell linuxmanju about ask |
| 17:49.30 | r3gii | what does it mean? |
| 17:49.31 | Norbert | YES! |
| 17:49.38 | Norbert | interbird/stew: okay, that fixes it ;-) |
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| 17:49.48 | Norbert | interbird/stew: apt-get install gsfonts-x11 |
| 17:49.49 | stew | Norbert: cool |
| 17:49.53 | Norbert | yeah ;-) |
| 17:50.05 | stew | hmm, i'll have to check her dpkg log and see if that was installed recently |
| 17:50.16 | interbird | :-) |
| 17:50.30 | Bob332 | I just installed x-window-system-core and gdm, when i login to my system my splash stops at the second icon and i get an error popup saying the screen saver could not be loaded....WHAT do i do? |
| 17:50.35 | EnsignRedshirt | I know the purists will cringe, but... how can I run gedit as root? |
| 17:51.09 | damia | bob2: dpkg-reconfigure -a |
| 17:51.15 | StanTheMan | hmmm it's still not starting.... |
| 17:51.16 | stew | Norbert: wierd, neither of us have gsfonts-x11 installed |
| 17:51.34 | stew | StanTheMan: how are you determining that it isn't started? |
| 17:51.35 | Bob332 | EnsignRedshirt, whats that gonna do? |
| 17:51.37 | Norbert | EnsignRedshirt: $ su -c gedit |
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| 17:51.53 | tarzeau | yes what? Lee__ tarheelcoxn |
| 17:51.55 | Norbert | stew: that's strange indeed - maybe a comparable package... |
| 17:52.08 | stew | Norbert: who knows |
| 17:52.10 | Norbert | anyways, I'm happy and ready to leave, thanks all, and laters |
| 17:52.15 | Norbert | interbird/stew: thx, bye |
| 17:52.25 | StanTheMan | stew: top and ps -ef |
| 17:52.28 | stew | EnsignRedshirt: the preferred method is to install and configure sudo sudo |
| 17:52.39 | stew | StanTheMan: and you are looking for telnetd or inetd? |
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| 17:52.53 | EnsignRedshirt | stew: Ah, right. |
| 17:52.58 | Lee__ | tarzeau, that's a very old message. I asked about hardware RAID-5 with good Linux drivers, you asked me if each disk is < 2TB and I said yes. |
| 17:53.07 | StanTheMan | stew: give me a little credit :P |
| 17:53.22 | stew | StanTheMan: sorry, which? |
| 17:53.42 | StanTheMan | stew: telnetd is not a running process. inetd is. restarting inetd did not start telnetd |
| 17:53.59 | r3gii | i got a lot of this message: usb-ohci.c: USB suspend: usb-00:01.2 then : usb-ohci.c: USB continue: usb-00:01.2 from host wakeup |
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| 17:54.02 | Bob332 | EnsignRedshirt, i know whats wrong...i installed gdm thinking it had gnome as a dep. |
| 17:54.05 | stew | StanTheMan: restarting inetd should not have started telnetd |
| 17:54.14 | tarzeau | Lee__: i meant the total? |
| 17:54.18 | stew | StanTheMan: connecting to port 23 would cause inetd to start telnetd |
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| 17:54.27 | StanTheMan | stew: ahhh |
| 17:54.34 | elvirolo | hi all |
| 17:54.39 | StanTheMan | stew: my bad....testing now |
| 17:54.40 | elvirolo | anyone using amarok here ? |
| 17:54.40 | stew | StanTheMan: netstat -plunt | grep :23 |
| 17:54.53 | Lee__ | tarzeau, the total should be somewhere between 100 - 200 GB |
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| 17:55.04 | StanTheMan | that's it |
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| 17:55.09 | EnsignRedshirt | Bob332: I think you're talking to the wrong person. I'm asking questions, not answering! :) |
| 17:55.23 | elvirolo | please? |
| 17:55.27 | newbie_ | Is there a way to "un-delete" a file deleted off sarge? |
| 17:55.43 | stew | newbie_: what filesystem? ext3? |
| 17:55.49 | StanTheMan | stew: guess why I forgot that inetd starts telnetd |
| 17:55.56 | tarzeau | Lee__: we've got 3ware 9xxx controllers and icp vortex ones (gdth driver)$ |
| 17:56.07 | newbie_ | stew: not sure? |
| 17:56.30 | Lee__ | thanks. I'll check those out. |
| 17:56.46 | TwistedEmotions | how the funk do you quit vim again? |
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| 17:56.54 | asg | TwistedEmotions: :q |
| 17:57.04 | TwistedEmotions | God I hate vim ;( thanks.. |
| 17:57.11 | asg | TwistedEmotions: then use something else |
| 17:57.14 | stew | newbie_: type "mount" and tell me what is says after "type" on the line contianing "on / " |
| 17:57.38 | newbie_ | ext 3 |
| 17:57.40 | TwistedEmotions | asg: I normally use nano but it was a .gz file... which nano isn't able to read |
| 17:57.44 | stew | newbie_: then no, its impossible on ext3 |
| 17:57.45 | newbie_ | stew: i mean ext3 |
| 17:57.52 | elvirolo | please ? |
| 17:57.54 | asg | TwistedEmotions: then gunzip it and use nano |
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| 17:58.05 | StanTheMan | stew: I always run my Debian boxen headless. I rarely (for hardware maintenance only) use the local console. Thus, whenever I'm connected via Telnet or SSH, in.telnetd is always running hehe |
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| 17:58.34 | TwistedEmotions | asg: just figured it would be quicker to use vim... then I forgot how to quit ;( |
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| 17:59.12 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... now I've got the same problem again but /etc/ld.so.conf is right... |
| 17:59.25 | StanTheMan | stew: thus, it's always running when I check the process list, because the mere fact that I'm checking it means I'm connected thru telnet |
| 17:59.35 | thorie_ | its impossible for me to run a headless pc... always, something goes wrong, and i can't telnet or ssh into the box at all and im not able to figure out whats wrong |
| 17:59.44 | asg | EmleyMoor: what does 'ldd /path/to/binary' indicate for the missing lib? |
| 18:00.01 | linuxmanju | EmleyMoor: : did ya run ldconfig after updating ldso.conf |
| 18:00.02 | StanTheMan | thorie_: that's what KVMs are for :P |
| 18:00.03 | asg | thorie_: serial console + laptop |
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| 18:00.25 | EmleyMoor | asg: Not found |
| 18:00.31 | EmleyMoor | linuxmanju: Yes |
| 18:00.32 | thorie_ | asg: howto/webpage ? |
| 18:00.34 | asg | EmleyMoor: ldd not found? |
| 18:00.36 | StanTheMan | thorie_: or a wheeled cart with a KB and CRT (LCD for those with lots of $$) |
| 18:00.42 | asg | thorie_: google for serial console howto |
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| 18:00.57 | EmleyMoor | No, ldd is found but libobexftp.0 is not |
| 18:01.00 | linuxmanju | EmleyMoor: : what exactly is the error message ur getting? |
| 18:01.19 | asg | EmleyMoor: does it show a path for where it is looking for it? |
| 18:01.31 | EmleyMoor | obexftp: error while loading shared libraries: libobexftp.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 18:01.35 | EmleyMoor | asg: No |
| 18:01.55 | StanTheMan | asg: damn! that reminds me. I have one or two wyse terminals somewhere. That would free up a VGA monitor for my bench use. Thx for the reminder! |
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| 18:02.04 | asg | StanTheMan: you're welcome |
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| 18:03.06 | EmleyMoor | asg: Should I recompile or something? |
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| 18:03.20 | Linux_whore | Can anyone tell me why this is not compiling? I have the glib dev.deb package installed. http://pastebin.com/400555 |
| 18:03.33 | EdibleText | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:03.34 | asg | EmleyMoor: I would and verify in the README that there isn't some odd linker steps you might have missed. |
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| 18:04.11 | stew | Linux_whore: if you are trying to build gaim (why are you trying to build gaim) then did you "apt-get build-dep gaim"? |
| 18:04.35 | Linux_whore | stew: It is a special gaim with sip from Linspire. |
| 18:04.42 | EmleyMoor | asg: I never missed them before - it's just there's a new patch in one of the other libraries and I haven't done anything contrary to documentation |
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| 18:05.08 | stew | Linux_whore: oh wait, you are trying to compile a linspire package on ubuntu? |
| 18:05.10 | asg | EmleyMoor: then I'd at least try make clean and reconfigure/recompile. |
| 18:05.17 | asg | stew: heh |
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| 18:05.22 | stew | Linux_whore: you are in the wrong channel, and i don't know if there is a right channel |
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| 18:05.35 | Linux_whore | stew: It is a source tarball, not package. |
| 18:05.38 | mentor | ChanServ doens't like me... |
| 18:05.50 | abrotman | still the wrong channel |
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| 18:05.58 | abrotman | mentor: noone does :) |
| 18:06.03 | stew | Linux_whore: if its from linspire, why ins't it a package, and it would still probably depend on the same glib for building... |
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| 18:06.12 | mentor | I know. |
| 18:06.25 | mentor | I only persist to take out my vengence on other people |
| 18:06.25 | stew | yeah, can we ditch that from the topic yet? |
| 18:06.27 | thc | there are two values for REMOVE_HOME in deluser.conf, 0 and 1 |
| 18:06.32 | Linux_whore | It is also a package, but on Linspire's website, the source is there to download |
| 18:06.40 | thc | which one should i use, the man page doesn't specify |
| 18:06.50 | stew | Linux_whore: if there is a package why wouldn't you use that for building? /msg dpkg source |
| 18:06.52 | thc | i just want to nuke the user's account when deluser is run |
| 18:07.13 | asg | thc: 1 generally means yes, 0 generally means no |
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| 18:07.21 | thc | cheers. |
| 18:07.28 | jshriver | Greetings has anyone here authored a DVD via Linux before? I need help |
| 18:07.32 | asg | thc: I'd test to be sure but that should be fine |
| 18:07.40 | thc | going to right now |
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| 18:08.16 | jshriver | I've converted the video to mpeg2 using mencoder, but I'm having problems with dvdauthor... do you *have* to have a menu.. it's a home movie so it just needs to play no menus |
| 18:08.47 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm! No difference |
| 18:09.03 | stew | jshriver: you might try asking in #mplayer |
| 18:09.08 | jshriver | thanks |
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| 18:10.38 | fredbsd | hehhe |
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| 18:10.54 | EmleyMoor | Why on earth would it not be able to find libraries which are clearly there? |
| 18:11.03 | StanTheMan | setting up postfix. "mail name" question asked is ambiguous. Is it asking for the domain name example.com, or for the FQDN, smtp.example.com, or just the host name, smtp? |
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| 18:11.43 | StanTheMan | I can't believe the install questioon leaves anything in doubt about this.... |
| 18:11.46 | ke6isf | StanTheMan: Are you editing the file directly, or going through the configuration phase of an apt-get install? |
| 18:11.50 | StanTheMan | and I'm not "stupid" lol |
| 18:11.59 | ecobit | StanTheMan: what do you have on 127.0.0.1 line in /etc/hosts? use that |
| 18:12.09 | StanTheMan | ke6isf: the latter, 2nd you mention |
| 18:12.41 | ke6isf | StanTheMan: What ecobit said. |
| 18:12.46 | ecobit | StanTheMan: FWIW i often just use a single host name, like "foo" or something, if the box is only for a local net |
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| 18:13.14 | sandman | Is it supposed to take all day to generate locales? |
| 18:13.19 | StanTheMan | it's going to be a smart relay |
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| 18:13.46 | ecobit | sandman: depending on how many you select to generate in /etc/locale.gen |
| 18:13.57 | StanTheMan | exchange server behind it, and forward via sasl auth to the damn SBC/Yahoo relay servers (I hate those damn things....no regular SMTP relay anymore) |
| 18:14.04 | sandman | ecobit: I selected 2 |
| 18:14.14 | sandman | ecobit: And it has been about 6 hours |
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| 18:14.22 | sandman | ecobit: Still generating. P3 500MHz cpu |
| 18:14.33 | ecobit | sandman: check the file. there may be duplicate entries in there. should not take more than a few min |
| 18:14.41 | StanTheMan | so I just need the hostname, not the domain name as the answer to this apt-get setup question? right? |
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| 18:15.18 | ecobit | StanTheMan: that is a very tricky setup to get right, because the smarthost can easily reject you if everything isn't exactly right |
| 18:15.37 | ecobit | StanTheMan: try using somethign like ssmtp or nbsmtp for this purpose. it is really vastly easier |
| 18:15.46 | ke6isf | StanTheMan: Again, what ecobit said. |
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| 18:16.25 | StanTheMan | ecobit: have you ever tried to relay mail through the sbc/yahoo customer relay servers? |
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| 18:16.42 | johnny_nubie | I need help adding support to debian's latest stable for a soundblaster basic pci card |
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| 18:16.51 | punkcut | where is the official debian FAQ on unix permissions? |
| 18:16.59 | ecobit | StanTheMan, ke6isf: i created a .deb package of nbsmtp, available at http://infrablue.mine.nu/repository/ |
| 18:17.06 | stew | johnny_nubie: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 18:17.10 | StanTheMan | ecobit: they require the sending MTA to authenticate with the PPPoE username and pwd of the account |
| 18:17.12 | asg | !wikifaq punkcut Permissions |
| 18:17.15 | dpkg | punkcut: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 18:17.29 | ecobit | i use it with "profiles" in mutt, so each account that sends uses its own auth against the smarthost for that account |
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| 18:17.40 | johnny_nubie | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 18:17.49 | punkcut | thanks asg |
| 18:17.57 | StanTheMan | ecobit: it sounds like we're doing two different things here |
| 18:18.06 | ecobit | StanTheMan: no |
| 18:18.14 | stew | johnny_nubie: apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-386 && alsaconf |
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| 18:18.28 | ecobit | StanTheMan: you have a regular account with a provider, no? |
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| 18:19.13 | ecobit | StanTheMan: you can either use something like kmail and set up the authentication in there, or outlook express... or use nbsmtp with something like mutt ... |
| 18:19.24 | StanTheMan | ecobit: I'm wanting to setup a smart relay to allow me to get around Earthlink rejecting my DIRECT emails to their members from my Exchange server. My Exch server is on a DYNAMIC IP, with DDNS from TZO providing the MX record |
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| 18:20.06 | johnny_nubie | stew : do i want to modify /etc/modutils/sound? |
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| 18:20.22 | StanTheMan | ecobit: earthlink, and other large isps, are blocking any MTA that has a dynamic IP. |
| 18:20.29 | stew | johnny_nubie: that line i gave you should take care of it all |
| 18:20.33 | ecobit | StanTheMan: then get rid of the exchange server, or set it up correctly with dns, etc. |
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| 18:21.14 | johnny_nubie | actually yes, but i'm getting asked some config questions in the standard blue screens with grey windows, looks like when I first ran the bedian instsller |
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| 18:21.19 | sandman | Wow, this is strange... when I run apt-get update in sid, it fails @ different parts of the process |
| 18:21.25 | ecobit | StanTheMan: have each user auth against the same sbc account |
| 18:22.53 | StanTheMan | ecobit: sigh.... it IS setup correctly. I was told that postfix configured as a smart relay would allow me to relay through my SBC relay servers, and thus not get rejected by the likes of earthlink and aol. So, I have to auth to the SBC relay servers before relaying the mail. I need something to auth for that, as exch can't do it. Thus, the need for the smart host. Do you still say postfix isn't a good solution for this? |
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| 18:24.24 | ecobit | StanTheMan: why do you *need* the exchange server? |
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| 18:24.34 | StanTheMan | ecobit: never mind. I know what I'm doing (mostly) at this point. You don't have all the background info I type in here earlier. |
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| 18:25.19 | ecobit | StanTheMan: FWIW sendmail can also do that kind of smtp client auth. i've used it that way before |
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| 18:25.37 | gr8ron | why does freenode ask for my client's version |
| 18:26.01 | abrotman | gr8ron: spambot prevention |
| 18:26.06 | xtof | hm, since I upgraded to xorg, I cannot load vnc module anymore.. (Xfree : (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/vnc.so ; xorg : (EE) Failed to load module "vnc" (module does not exist, 0) ) Any ideas out there?? |
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| 18:26.15 | ecobit | StanTheMan: exim4 can also do it, and has good documentation about how to do it |
| 18:26.18 | abrotman | xtof: bts ? |
| 18:26.28 | abrotman | gr8ron: which as you can see .. works very well |
| 18:26.32 | xtof | abrotman, bts means? |
| 18:26.35 | abrotman | !bts |
| 18:26.35 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
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| 18:27.01 | Blue-Omega | hi, how can i update my sarge to Xorg? |
| 18:27.03 | xtof | abrotman, oh. I check there, thanks |
| 18:27.12 | asg | Blue-Omega: /msg dpkg xorg sarge |
| 18:27.12 | abrotman | !xorg sarge |
| 18:27.12 | dpkg | i heard xorg sarge is http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ for sarge backports of the xorg packages. Use at your own risk. |
| 18:27.22 | gr8ron | abrotman: my spam bots can fake the version with a single coonfigurable setting |
| 18:27.28 | Blue-Omega | asg, tried that, didnt get anything |
| 18:27.37 | abrotman | gr8ron: and you openly admit you employ spambots ? |
| 18:27.39 | StanTheMan | ecobit: briefly-- I've had an Exch server for 5 years. I've been using outlook 2000 and the "corporate" (read SMB port 139 shit) connection via LAN to it. I was a STATIC IP SBC DSL customer. I decided to change to dynamic/PPPoE to save $50/month. What has changed since: 1. my MX record (and DNS in general) is now hosted by a DDNS provider, instead of on MY DNS servers I ran 2. I now have a dynamic IP address that the MX re |
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| 18:27.58 | asg | Blue-Omega: didn't get anything? What error did you get? |
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| 18:28.19 | gr8ron | abrotman: no i won't |
| 18:28.27 | abrotman | gr8ron: you just said "my spambots" |
| 18:28.32 | Blue-Omega | didnt get any error |
| 18:28.40 | Blue-Omega | i sent the msg and did get anything |
| 18:28.42 | xtof | abrotman, that's a referenced bug. Thanks again for the bts tip |
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| 18:28.49 | asg | !tell Blue-Omega about xorg sarge |
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| 18:28.57 | asg | Blue-Omega: you get it then? |
| 18:28.59 | JoshH | anyone know a way to make apt-listbugs only show current bugs, or bugs for the version you are upgrading to, instead of bugs dating back to woody? |
| 18:29.00 | gr8ron | abrotman: if i were to use spam bots |
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| 18:29.05 | Blue-Omega | asg, no |
| 18:29.10 | abrotman | gr8ron: erm .. ok |
| 18:29.20 | Bob332 | How do i acccess my USB Compact flash card reader, i just plugged it into this linux box |
| 18:29.20 | asg | Blue-Omega: then your client is broken or you don't allow privs. No matter |
| 18:29.24 | asg | !xorg sarge |
| 18:29.24 | dpkg | it has been said that xorg sarge is http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ for sarge backports of the xorg packages. Use at your own risk. |
| 18:29.26 | StanTheMan | ecobit: 3. Largish ISPs are blocking delivery of my email into their networks now STRICTLY based on their knowledge that the IP address making the connection is a dynamic address, and totally ignoring the correct DNS and MX records, along with an SPF string. |
| 18:29.27 | Gnea | JoshH: it shouldn't show any bugs for woody, if the system itself wasn't upgraded from woody |
| 18:29.32 | Blue-Omega | asg, thank you |
| 18:29.32 | asg | Blue-Omega: read the factoid above. |
| 18:29.50 | moquist | I'm scripting an apt-get install command, and instead of being asked interactively about configuration of the specified packages, I want to specify that stuff in the script. Where should I be looking to figure out how to do that? |
| 18:29.54 | Linux_whore | The amount of time between slipping on the peel and landing on the |
| 18:29.55 | Linux_whore | pavement is precisely one bananosecond |
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| 18:30.23 | Gnea | StanTheMan: that's the way it's been all year. SBC and COX have both prevented outgoing SMTP traffic due to all of the spammers that kept changing IP's to get around it. |
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| 18:30.29 | JoshH | Gnea: this system was installed from a sarge rc1 d-i, i just upgraded samba to 3.0.20 and got a warning about this |
| 18:30.32 | JoshH | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=304300 |
| 18:30.48 | JoshH | hmm, actually |
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| 18:31.02 | JoshH | its a newer report, but still, older version |
| 18:31.14 | Linux_whore | my gludious maximus isn' |
| 18:31.18 | StanTheMan | gnea: yep. But almost none of those spammers had MX records and dyn dns |
| 18:31.19 | Linux_whore | t doing good |
| 18:31.49 | sussudio | Linux_whore: leave this channel |
| 18:31.50 | JoshH | it just seems like almost all the bugs apt-listbugs shows me don't apply, and i dont want bugs that do affect me to go unnoticed |
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| 18:32.48 | Linux_whore | that's my name |
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| 18:32.50 | shale | is there a way to use rsync (or somethign similar) to backup an smb share on a remote windows computer? |
| 18:32.56 | EmleyMoor | Why would a shared object file simply not be found when it is in fact there? |
| 18:33.23 | Gnea | StanTheMan: right, they just bought some cd from some warez d00d with a list of email addresses and would blindly spam, not having a clue as to how it worked |
| 18:33.47 | interbird | shale: mount and cp -a ? |
| 18:33.47 | Gnea | JoshH: so does the script match up? |
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| 18:33.58 | dondelelcaro | EmleyMoor: because it's not in the right path, it's not the right .so, etc. |
| 18:34.02 | Gnea | JoshH: is it really a concern and does it break your installation? |
| 18:34.16 | tyranix | JoshH: Is that what you want though? If the submitter said a bug was for stable but it turns out unstable had the same bug, you wouldn't see the report until/if someone also tags it for unstable. |
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| 18:34.20 | EmleyMoor | dondelelcaro: We can rule out the first two - already checked |
| 18:34.21 | johnny_nubie | ok, so now I've got no sound at all |
| 18:34.26 | shale | interbird, i can use mount to mount a remote smb share? |
| 18:34.27 | Gnea | StanTheMan: indeed |
| 18:34.28 | stew | dondelelcaro: what does the ChanServ bit in the topic mean? |
| 18:34.32 | EmleyMoor | So, that leaves us with etc. |
| 18:34.35 | Gnea | :) |
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| 18:34.41 | ecobit | StanTheMan: that is normal these days |
| 18:34.57 | interbird | shale: What is a remote smb share ? |
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| 18:35.07 | JoshH | ya, i guess thats true |
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| 18:35.31 | StanTheMan | gnea: i disagree. Most spammers forge their headers, so why would they need an MX record? that's exactly what they want to avoid, being traced, found out, etc |
| 18:35.33 | shale | interbird, it is a share on a windows computer on the network... i want to backup the contents of that share to a linux/debian machine. |
| 18:35.37 | JoshH | but still, i do hate to spend 20 minutes looking up bugreports for nothing when im busy. :P |
| 18:35.44 | JoshH | better than spending time fixing a system though |
| 18:35.46 | EmleyMoor | I have two machines exhibiting this exact same problem |
| 18:35.54 | asg | JoshH: then run stable |
| 18:36.08 | sbk | Using postfix as the MTA. When sending using mail (ie, mail -s 'Subject' foo@bar.com < something.txt) Is there any way to map the sender address to something else? The username on the machine is not the same as the actual email address of the sender. |
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| 18:36.36 | cahoot | sbk: yes |
| 18:36.37 | asg | sbk: canonical maps should be able to do the rewrite |
| 18:36.39 | stew | johnny_nubie: what happened when you ran aslaconf? |
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| 18:36.48 | Gnea | StanTheMan: that's whatever the software they get does is designed to do. they have no real technical background on how it works. maybe they read a few webpages here and there, and maybe the oddball one has setup an MTA before, but most of them just want to spew their crap upon everyone. |
| 18:36.55 | EmleyMoor | It shouldn't, surely, make a difference about whether the searched location contains the real thing or a symlink to it, should it? If it does, it doesn't seem to matter with some of the shared objects... |
| 18:36.59 | interbird | shale: mkdir /myshare; mount -t smbfs -o username=remote-admin-user,passwd=remote-admin-passwd //remote-ip/share /myshare |
| 18:37.02 | sbk | asg: ok -- will read up on what canonical maps mean -- thanks. |
| 18:37.11 | cahoot | sbk: look for 'generic' in thedocs |
| 18:37.16 | interbird | shale: cp -a /myshare /myshare-backup |
| 18:37.21 | SimonRaven | Gnea: and some don't even bother configuring it. been getting that in the logs lately =) |
| 18:37.21 | EmleyMoor | Is there a way to see what shared objects are "properly known"? |
| 18:37.24 | EdibleText | shale, apt-get install smbfs; smbmount //netbiosname/sharename /path/to/mount/point |
| 18:37.28 | interbird | shale: umount /myshare |
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| 18:37.31 | asg | sbk: if you want to rewrite both the address and comment though, you are probably out of look. I've never been able to do that with postfix (though exim is quite capable) |
| 18:37.36 | Gnea | SimonRaven: :) |
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| 18:37.40 | asg | s/look./luck./ |
| 18:37.41 | Zap-W | hi |
| 18:37.46 | Zap-W | what's kicking |
| 18:37.58 | shale | ok thank you EdibleText and interbird... i'll give that a try |
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| 18:38.05 | eggy | What the heck is a superblock? and how does one go about 'repairing one manually'? |
| 18:38.05 | sbk | cahoot/asg: thanks for the pointers, great. |
| 18:38.09 | oklinux | how do I remove the printer ? |
| 18:38.17 | sussudio | eggy: use google |
| 18:38.29 | StanTheMan | gnea: my point exactly. Thus, if an MTA that happens to be sending from a dynamic IP has a correct MX record associated with it in DNS, and has a correct SPF string, why do Earthlink et all still block that sending MTA? Laziness? It's throwing the baby out with the bath water. |
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| 18:39.25 | Gnea | StanTheMan: it's a blanket technique - deny all by default. |
| 18:39.31 | cureless | eggy, what did you do? |
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| 18:40.07 | en1gma | i thought stable was 3.0a |
| 18:40.10 | sussudio | he had unsafe sex with his filesystem. that or ricerfs. |
| 18:40.22 | asg | en1gma: no, 3.1a |
| 18:40.28 | EmleyMoor | Does the depth of symlinking of shared objects matter? |
| 18:40.32 | cahoot | sbk: http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man5/generic.5.html |
| 18:40.34 | SimonRaven | en1gma: *bzzt*. update your /. rss cache |
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| 18:41.00 | cureless | EmleyMoor, probably not. |
| 18:41.12 | StanTheMan | gnea: exactly. You and I both know they shouldn't but they do. I can't make them change that. Soooo, I'm setting up the smart host to relay anything bound to "big isp" members thru my SBC/Yahoo relay so it won't get rejected. I plan to use postfix to do it. |
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| 18:41.34 | eggy | cureless: Well, a server here won't boot, keeps on yelling about superbloks. Wants me to repair them mannually. |
| 18:41.41 | stew | StanTheMan: you are dynamically updating spf records? |
| 18:41.41 | EmleyMoor | OK - so, how do I see what shared objects are "properly known" to a system? |
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| 18:42.00 | StanTheMan | gnea: for any mail not destined for a user at Earthlink/AOL/et al, I'll send straight out, like I always have. |
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| 18:42.04 | cureless | EmleyMoor, do you have a specific program that is failing? |
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| 18:42.21 | newbie_ | how can I find out the properties of the harddrive in this sarge box, without obviously opening it up? |
| 18:42.28 | asg | eggy: man fsck.ext3 (the -b option) |
| 18:42.34 | eggy | cureless: It got shut off due to a power failure, and debain is yelling about this superblock that needs to be repaired :> |
| 18:42.36 | EmleyMoor | Yes - obexftp, on two systems, is failing to find three of its own shared objects - it is finding those which are not part of it, though |
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| 18:42.41 | cureless | eggy, repairing superblocks is not simple (not impossible either) but it is always risky, proceed with care. |
| 18:42.49 | interbird | newbie_: hdparm -i /dev/hda for 1st hd |
| 18:42.57 | stew | newbie_: fdisk -l |
| 18:42.58 | Gnea | StanTheMan: that's quite interesting. is there an advantage to using postfix over, say, exim4 for this? |
| 18:43.02 | Orion071 | hey guys... I'm installing Debian Sarge in an old desktop Computer I have... It is a Dell Optiplex GX150... I know it has an Intel 82815 Video Card... but... which one do I need to select on the xserver-xfree86 installation screen??? :( |
| 18:43.03 | StanTheMan | stew: To honest, I'm not that familiar with SPF. TZO had me create an SPF string based on my server and domain name info. Apparently TZOs DNS servers provide the SPF string during a DNS lookup? |
| 18:43.07 | newbie_ | cool.. thanks, interbird. |
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| 18:43.26 | cureless | EmleyMoor, run ldd obexftp |
| 18:43.30 | SimonRaven | StanTheMan: doesn't say very much, considering my low opinion of "big isp" mtas, esp. hotmail, (which don't grok a 4xx or 5xx error sent at them...), they readily accept my mail |
| 18:43.45 | newbie_ | interbird: -bash: hdparm: command not found |
| 18:43.50 | eggy | cureless: I don't have much of a choice here, I need the data on the hardisk.. |
| 18:43.51 | EmleyMoor | cureless: I have - three of its own shared objects are not found - the others it needs are found |
| 18:43.58 | cureless | EmleyMoor, you might need to specify the path to obexftp. Your problem is probably that you need to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH correctly. |
| 18:43.59 | SimonRaven | @installit |
| 18:44.00 | ravenbird | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
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| 18:44.07 | shale | when i try to smbmount i get 7449: session setup failed: ERRDOS - ERRnoaccess (Access denied.) |
| 18:44.12 | StanTheMan | gnea: someone here earlier recommended postfix for this particular situation, his reasoning was that it's much easier to setup in postfix than Exim, which he described as a "programmer's MTA". I have little exp with either at this point. |
| 18:44.23 | shale | but i'm giving it the right username and password and IP and path. |
| 18:44.36 | en1gma | what kernel comes with deb 3.1r0a |
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| 18:44.47 | shale | 2.4.27-2 |
| 18:44.53 | cureless | EmleyMoor, if you need a library that is not on a standard place add the path of the lib to LD_LIBRARY_PATH, that way it'll be found when you execute the program |
| 18:44.53 | streuner | en1gma: 2.6.8 or 2.4.27 |
| 18:45.07 | SimonRaven | shale: yeh, but if you're not allowed to access it, you're not allowed. simple. either intentional or otherwise (i.e., misconfigured or such) |
| 18:45.07 | interbird | newbie_: apt-get install hdparm |
| 18:45.09 | en1gma | i can select 2.6.8 when i want? |
| 18:45.14 | streuner | en1gma: yes |
| 18:45.18 | en1gma | okie |
| 18:45.21 | en1gma | thnx |
| 18:45.23 | EmleyMoor | cureless: It IS on a standard place, though |
| 18:45.29 | shale | SimonRaven, but i'm certain i'm using an allowed username/password |
| 18:45.36 | EdibleText | shale, the username apssowrd must be a valid account on the target box |
| 18:45.37 | cureless | eggy, if you have someone nearby with more experience get them to help. Otherwise google for info. |
| 18:45.42 | SimonRaven | server doesn't think so |
| 18:45.53 | shale | EdibleText, on the target box or domain? |
| 18:45.59 | oklinux | can any one tell me how to remove a printer |
| 18:46.17 | cureless | EmleyMoor, the libs? or the exec? What is this standard place? Try to add it to LD_LIBRARY_PATH and see if it works. |
| 18:46.20 | streuner | "remove a printer" ? |
| 18:46.34 | sussudio | oklinux: controlled explosion? |
| 18:46.35 | EdibleText | shale, if the box is part of domain then a domain account is valid on the box |
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| 18:46.38 | SimonRaven | oklinux: remove how? drop kick it out the window? unplug it? remove its presence in some config file? what do you mean? |
| 18:46.46 | EdibleText | shale, box/target |
| 18:46.54 | StanTheMan | I'll be back afte bit. I gotta get some food and smokes. |
| 18:46.56 | EmleyMoor | cureless: The libs are in /usr/local/lib, which is in /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 18:46.58 | Orion071 | hey guys... I'm installing Debian Sarge in an old desktop Computer I have... It is a Dell Optiplex GX150... I know it has an Intel 82815 Video Card... but... which one do I need to select on the xserver-xfree86 installation screen??? :( |
| 18:47.03 | Gnea | StanTheMan: that's mostly a matter of opinion rather than fact. in my experience, exim has historically been easier to setup in debian, and in general, than postfix. with exim i can easily read a config file that's properly commented, while postfix's config files are plagued with crap all over them that don't provide any real examples to go with them. |
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| 18:47.09 | cureless | EmleyMoor, did you add this yourself? |
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| 18:47.13 | EmleyMoor | Other execs which need libs there work without adding to LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 18:47.16 | EmleyMoor | cureless: Yes |
| 18:47.30 | EmleyMoor | ... however, this one does seem to need it added |
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| 18:47.43 | SimonRaven | cooments are useful |
| 18:47.53 | SimonRaven | comments too |
| 18:47.54 | oklinux | SimonRaven remove it out of the system |
| 18:47.55 | shale | thanks EdibleText i'll make a user on the box (everything is domain based right now) |
| 18:47.56 | Gnea | StanTheMan: then there's the fact that exim4 integrates much easier with things such as spamassassin and clamav in debian with sa-exim and whatnot |
| 18:48.11 | newbie_ | interbird: thank you again. |
| 18:48.15 | StanTheMan | gnea: wanna talk more about it when I get back in about 20 mins? I'm not against any particular MTA. That's just what was recommended to me first. |
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| 18:48.27 | Gnea | StanTheMan: the exim4 configuration asks you right off the bat if you want to use it in a smarthost configuration or not, then asks you the proper questions. |
| 18:48.29 | SimonRaven | oklinux: you'll have to be more precise than that. |
| 18:48.35 | johnny_nubie_ | stew I ran the apt-get for alsa and it I still have no sound |
| 18:48.45 | Gnea | StanTheMan: not sure if i'll be here in 20 minutes, but sure :) |
| 18:48.46 | stew | johnny_nubie_: did you unmute the volume in alsamixer? |
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| 18:49.02 | oklinux | if I plugin the computer the paper kept spitting out |
| 18:49.13 | stew | johnny_nubie_: or did you get any errors during alsaconf? |
| 18:49.26 | interbird | newbie_: You also browse the /proc and /sys virtual-file-systems |
| 18:49.26 | StanTheMan | gnea: if not, we can chat later. I'll probably be around #debian on and off later tonight and on Sunday, but will be out of town tomorrow. |
| 18:49.34 | Gnea | StanTheMan: later |
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| 18:50.12 | StanTheMan | gnea: thanks for the input and suggestions. TTYL |
| 18:50.13 | shale | hmm... with a machine-user i get the same error |
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| 18:50.49 | newbie_ | interbird: will that show me the mfr of the drive and their model number? |
| 18:51.07 | cureless | EmleyMoor, gotta go. good luck. |
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| 18:51.07 | interbird | newbie_: one moment... |
| 18:51.42 | cahoot | newbie_: look in /proc/ide/hd* |
| 18:52.03 | rking | i have to have to figure out a unicode input method that will work everywhere in X. all i want is to punch in the unicode sequences directly... am i the only one who wants something like this? if so, i'll cook it up, if not (and i figure not), has someone else already scratched this itch? |
| 18:52.03 | interbird | newbie_: /proc/ide/hda/model |
| 18:52.28 | johnny_nubie_ | stew yes I got errors, i've dumped them to text file - seems to be 4 errors I think |
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| 18:52.37 | interbird | newbie_: had=1st hd, hdb=2nd... |
| 18:52.54 | stew | johnny_nubie_: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 18:53.09 | albo | start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --name svnserve --startas /usr/bin/svnserve "-d -r /home/svn" -c svn this doesnt seem to be taking the options to the svnserve program. |
| 18:53.12 | newbie_ | interbird: I'm guessing use SCSI instead of IDE for scsi drives, right? |
| 18:53.13 | johnny_nubie_ | stew and I cannot run alsamixer says snd ctrl open failed for default: No such device |
| 18:53.32 | johnny_nubie_ | one sec for paste link |
| 18:53.50 | airox_ | evening |
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| 18:53.56 | interbird | newbie_: Check /proc/scsi then... |
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| 18:54.29 | interbird | newbie_: or cdrecord --scanbus maybe... |
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| 18:54.52 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... still getting no joy out of obexftp anyway |
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| 18:55.35 | johnny_nubie_ | stew - http://channels.debian.net/paste/937 |
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| 18:55.47 | newbie_ | interbird: -bash: cdrecord: command not found |
| 18:55.57 | sussudio | ... |
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| 18:56.19 | sussudio | newbie_: having a nick like newbie_ doesn't mean you can be an idiot too. |
| 18:56.43 | BobbyGrace | Help! I am trying to konfigure my login via KDE in Login Manager ( KDE Control Center ) . When I press "Administrator Mode" button, i'm redirected to a new menu. If I choose "Configure Login" from that menu, I have to press the "Administrator Mode" button again. and again. and again. ......... anyone with a tip on what I can do ? |
| 18:56.57 | stew | johnny_nubie_: wierd. "depmod -a" gives you those same 4 errors? |
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| 18:57.21 | sussudio | BobbyGrace: you're not running debian, are you? |
| 18:57.25 | johnny_nubie_ | stew yes |
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| 18:57.57 | eleftherios | how can I take a package (php4) to its previous version? The current one seems broken (on Debian Etch) |
| 18:58.11 | BobbyGrace | sussudio: Yes, I am running Debian |
| 18:58.24 | sussudio | BobbyGrace: you know things like ubuntu are not debian, right? |
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| 18:58.31 | asg | eleftherios: snapshot.debian.net |
| 18:58.44 | Gnea | !ubuntu |
| 18:58.44 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 18:58.49 | BobbyGrace | sussudio: I an NOT runing Ubuntu. I am running Debian :) I am quite sure of that |
| 18:59.05 | johnny_nubie_ | stew: the odd thing is I had at least some sound at one time, and it just quit |
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| 18:59.33 | Rakeleer | I'm getting segfaults with "ls -la" in certain directories, and can't seem to figure out why. There are no visible weird files in thos directorys, and this is driving me nuts. Debian Sarge - recent updates. Has worked fine for years before now. :( |
| 18:59.37 | oklinux | how do I stop the printer from spitting out paper turn it off reboot the computer wont do it |
| 18:59.43 | stew | johnny_nubie_: you could move to a 2.6 kernel |
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| 19:00.09 | EdibleText | Rakeleer, any recent changes? |
| 19:00.11 | nethic | http://pastebin.com/401175 |
| 19:00.12 | Gnea | oklinux: nail the queue |
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| 19:00.21 | nix | oklinux: remove the paper. |
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| 19:00.43 | johnny_nubie_ | stew: ok.... |
| 19:00.55 | stew | johnny_nubie_: what cpu do you have |
| 19:00.56 | johnny_nubie_ | stew: lemmy see if I can manage that |
| 19:01.07 | johnny_nubie_ | intel |
| 19:01.11 | johnny_nubie_ | p4 2.6 |
| 19:01.21 | Gomo1 | What's the status of libc6 in sid? b0rked or unb0rked |
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| 19:01.46 | stew | johnny_nubie_: apt-get install kenrel-image-2.6-686 |
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| 19:01.54 | oes | !kde |
| 19:01.54 | dpkg | [kde] a desktop enviroment based on the Qt toolkit. The latest stable release appears to be 3.4.2. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde |
| 19:01.55 | abrotman | i didn't know libc6 in sid was borked at all |
| 19:02.12 | oklinux | Gnea how do I nao the queue ? |
| 19:02.14 | Gomo1 | Neither do I, that's why I'm asking |
| 19:02.16 | Gomo1 | :P |
| 19:02.27 | stew | abrotman: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 19:02.27 | oklinux | nail |
| 19:02.32 | Rakeleer | EdibleText, Only ones from sarge-security. Some nss libs I think. |
| 19:02.34 | abrotman | stew: yeah yeah :) |
| 19:02.34 | stew | :P |
| 19:02.51 | Gomo1 | but i can't install apt-listbugs on this machine until I upgrade the libc6 |
| 19:03.13 | stew | Gomo1: /msg dpkg bts |
| 19:03.16 | azeem | Gomo1: bugs.debian.org/src:glibc |
| 19:03.38 | Gomo1 | Well that's a pretty good idea |
| 19:03.40 | Gomo1 | o_O |
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| 19:04.18 | johnny_nubie_ | stew: 2.6 kernel is installed - shall I reboot? |
| 19:04.19 | EdibleText | Rakeleer, does this happen on directories that are on different partitions? |
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| 19:04.40 | stew | johnny_nubie_: yeah, then run alsaconf again |
| 19:04.57 | johnny_nubie_ | stew: what's that commandline? |
| 19:05.08 | stew | johnny_nubie_: just "alsaconf" |
| 19:05.13 | abrotman | stew: how do i run alsaconf? |
| 19:05.26 | Rakeleer | EdibleText, On /dev/sda1 for example I have two directories /dir1 and /dir2 - in dir1 I get a segfault on "ls -l" but not "ls" and on the other - everthing is kosher. in dir1 there is a single subdir, in dir2 there is all kinds of junk. |
| 19:05.28 | stew | abrotman: apt-get moo |
| 19:05.31 | johnny_nubie_ | stew: that what i thought - thank you very much |
| 19:05.52 | stew | abrotman: fix my horde |
| 19:05.58 | interbird | newbie_: apt-get install cdrecord -- but /proc should give you the info you want -- also, cdrecord --scanbus might not work on 2.6 kernels |
| 19:05.59 | abrotman | stew: what's wrong with it ? |
| 19:05.59 | sussudio | !fix stew |
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| 19:06.04 | hfly | what file do I have to edit to switch from Gnome to KDE ? |
| 19:06.07 | abrotman | !sing stew |
| 19:06.09 | mirak | is /dev/ recreated at each boot ? |
| 19:06.24 | mirak | hfly: none |
| 19:06.27 | abrotman | mirak: depends |
| 19:06.30 | stew | abrotman: something about vdomains didn't translate from imp3 to imp4 |
| 19:06.34 | interbird | newbie_: uname -a gives you system-info |
| 19:06.36 | abrotman | stew: erm .. ok |
| 19:06.39 | Rakeleer | EdibleText, changing ownerships on dir1 didn't seem make a difference, either. |
| 19:06.40 | albo | start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --name svnserve --startas /usr/bin/svnserve "-d -r /home/svn" -c svn this doesnt seem to be taking the options to the svnserve program. |
| 19:06.44 | hfly | mirak: how do I switch |
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| 19:06.55 | mirak | hfly: from login manager |
| 19:07.12 | mirak | hfly: they must be installed of course |
| 19:07.13 | hfly | mirak: I'm talking about the .xinitrc file or something like that |
| 19:07.17 | mirak | maybe you only have one |
| 19:07.18 | stew | abrotman: and now it seems that whatever i change in servers.php doesn't make a difference |
| 19:07.24 | EdibleText | Rakeleer, perhaps you could umount it and fsck it. I have only seen ls segfault when shared libs get b0rked, but in that case it segfaults always. It may be that there is fs or drive damage |
| 19:07.30 | mirak | hfly: you should not have to change it |
| 19:07.39 | nethic | http://pastebin.com/401175 |
| 19:07.43 | Rakeleer | EdibleText, Chaning GROUP ownership did however, just have an effect. |
| 19:07.44 | mirak | hfly: unless you use starx to start your session |
| 19:07.54 | Rakeleer | EdibleText, I think I'm on the track, now. :) |
| 19:08.02 | EdibleText | Rakeleer, whoa.. i think so ;) |
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| 19:08.43 | bucky | hfly, update-alternatives --list x-window-manager |
| 19:08.50 | bucky | man update-alternatives |
| 19:09.17 | hfly | thanks |
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| 19:09.46 | dmoCholet | Hi all |
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| 19:10.23 | abrotman | stew: don't you have to regen the xml file ? |
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| 19:10.43 | dmoCholet | Here is my configuration : Interner <--> eth1 Debien eth0 <--> switch <==> Windows XP |
| 19:10.43 | johnny_nubie_ | stew: I'm deaf now but that worked |
| 19:10.44 | stew | abrotman: fiik |
| 19:10.48 | stew | johnny_nubie_: cool |
| 19:11.02 | abrotman | stew: might be a good thing to know :) |
| 19:11.16 | stew | abrotman: Identity stew@$this_domain (Default Identity |
| 19:11.47 | dmoCholet | I connect to internet, from XP, but I have some trouble, with VPN, I can connect to my company, but it is very slow... I try with Fedora and it is faster, do you have an idea of what it could be ? |
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| 19:12.07 | interbird | dmoCholet: Windows ? |
| 19:12.36 | abrotman | stew: you mean you can't select alternate identies ? |
| 19:12.42 | abrotman | god my spelling sucks |
| 19:12.45 | abrotman | or typing |
| 19:12.46 | abrotman | or both |
| 19:12.48 | abrotman | :kill me |
| 19:12.52 | abrotman | !kill me |
| 19:12.52 | thc | both. |
| 19:12.57 | SimonRaven | @kill abrotman |
| 19:13.02 | abrotman | yay!!! |
| 19:13.05 | dmoCholet | Yes, but the pb is not on Windows computer, but Debian ;-) |
| 19:13.08 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 19:13.16 | abrotman | dmoCholet: you have Peanut Butter!!!! |
| 19:13.21 | interbird | don't kill abrotman; make him suffer first |
| 19:13.23 | thc | it's all them greasy hoagies you eat |
| 19:13.23 | abrotman | on your computer! |
| 19:13.28 | thc | make your keys all buttery |
| 19:13.34 | abrotman | thc: you wish you could get a real cheesesteak! :) |
| 19:13.40 | thc | pffffft. |
| 19:13.41 | Rakeleer | EdibleText, Using ldap for samba, nss and pam backends - somewhere during a power outtage last night a group defition got garbled (still no idea how). This caused ALL sorts of screwy crap where that gid was referenced. Even caused bizarro problems with mail and samba. Thanks for the moral support and help. :) |
| 19:13.53 | thc | i had a geno's and i didn't even like it |
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| 19:13.56 | bucky | dmoCholet, i don't know why your VPN from your windows box is slower using debian for a gateway as opposed to using FC |
| 19:13.59 | thc | meat was all chewy and shit |
| 19:14.12 | abrotman | thc: pat's! |
| 19:14.15 | thc | they have good cheese fries though |
| 19:14.17 | dmoCholet | Sorry, I don't understand what you mean. Can you help me with the NATY, since I theink the pb is from there |
| 19:14.24 | abrotman | thc: i'm honestly a bigger fan of chicken cheesesteaks |
| 19:14.29 | stew | abrotman: i used to have a hook that calculated $this_domain, but thats gone, now i'm just trying to set maildomain to getenv('HTTP_HOST') which i know returns the correct string, right now i no longer have $this_domain appearing anywhere but that string still shows up (and is used as the from address on outgoing emails) |
| 19:14.34 | thc | that's what i eat |
| 19:14.37 | thc | with hot sauce |
| 19:14.39 | sussudio | who cares? |
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| 19:14.50 | dmoCholet | humm, coud it be the firewall iptables settings ? |
| 19:14.51 | EdibleText | Rakeleer, np. Im happy to have 'helped' ;) |
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| 19:15.09 | johnny_nubie_ | stew: line in still doesnt want to work |
| 19:15.11 | EdibleText | Is there a factiod with the 'apt-get -o APT::Force-Loopback ...' command |
| 19:15.16 | bucky | dmoCholet, i always use the iptables rules from this howto http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialIptablesNetworkGateway.html but mine is different than yours because my eth0 is the internet device |
| 19:15.28 | ddunham | I am trying to install JVM so I followed www.debian-administration.org/articles/142 and everything installed okay, but whenever I run the program it says it cannot locate a suitable JVM. |
| 19:15.32 | stew | johnny_nubie_: make sure its unmuted in alsamixer, m toggles mute/unmute |
| 19:15.43 | ddunham | is j2se and j2re the same as JVM |
| 19:15.47 | mirak | is reiser4 ok to use ? |
| 19:15.51 | abrotman | sussudio: you'll care and like it! |
| 19:16.00 | websdale | Hello, When I update using synaptic I've started getting a GPG error when updating nerim.net " public key is not available: "etc |
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| 19:16.38 | dmoCholet | there is nothing particualr to do with VPN on debian so. |
| 19:16.42 | websdale | Is it my end or is it nerim.net where the problem lies? |
| 19:16.45 | interbird | ddunham: j2se is the development-version, j2re is the runtime-version, vm is the virtual-machine used by both of them |
| 19:16.50 | stew | websdale: /msg dpkg marillat key |
| 19:17.06 | websdale | stew:cheers |
| 19:17.19 | ddunham | where does jvm usually live? |
| 19:17.24 | ddunham | assuming defaults |
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| 19:17.29 | johnny_nubie_ | stew: alsamixer runs now, and line is reading 100 |
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| 19:18.11 | tschwend | Egad.... I think PAM is hosed on my box... |
| 19:18.13 | tschwend | Can't log in as root. |
| 19:18.24 | stew | johnny_nubie_: and does it say Line [off] inthe upper left or just Line? it can still be at 100% volume and be muted |
| 19:18.26 | tschwend | Locally or remotely. |
| 19:18.27 | interbird | ddunham: Inside the java-tree; depending on the java you use |
| 19:18.28 | ddunham | or how would i set an environment variable to point there |
| 19:18.29 | faif | is there a problem with the default gcj installation? cause I have a problem when I am trying to execute a graphical (swing) java application |
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| 19:18.43 | johnny_nubie_ | stew: just line |
| 19:18.52 | abrotman | stew: that didn't make much sense :) |
| 19:18.57 | ddunham | I found JVM in /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/lib |
| 19:18.59 | johnny_nubie_ | stew: however the device it's using seems to be my onboard sound card |
| 19:19.09 | johnny_nubie_ | stew: shall I re-run the conf? |
| 19:19.12 | bucky | dmoCholet, prolly something simple like your windows box isn't listed in /etc/hosts.. just a guess |
| 19:19.25 | interbird | ddunham: You have several: JDK_HOME,JAVA_HOME or like that -- google for it |
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| 19:19.37 | stew | johnny_nubie_: you mean you have onboard + a pci card? if so then maybe? did it detect two the first time you ran alsaconf? |
| 19:19.50 | johnny_nubie_ | stew: yes it did see them both |
| 19:19.59 | johnny_nubie_ | stew: it made me pick one |
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| 19:20.00 | interbird | ddunham: If you run debian you might likt to install this package; momento... |
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| 19:20.10 | stew | johnny_nubie_: yeah then rerun and pick the other i guess |
| 19:20.16 | johnny_nubie_ | stew: will do |
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| 19:20.31 | interbird | ddunham: dummy-java2-runtime |
| 19:20.40 | ozzloy | free video editing software? |
| 19:21.03 | interbird | ddunham: This resolves dependancies for java-apps at runtime |
| 19:21.31 | ddunham | interbird: apt-get? |
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| 19:21.47 | interbird | ddunham: apt-get install dummy-java2-runtime |
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| 19:21.56 | stew | interbird: why? what would that do for him? |
| 19:21.57 | deadcat | hows this speech outline? http://sshonly.sytes.net/stmp/persuasive.speech |
| 19:22.17 | ddunham | interbird: not there... searching packages now.. |
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| 19:22.30 | johnny_nubie_ | stew: alsa doesnt see my pci soundblaster |
| 19:22.33 | interbird | stew: to have other java-apps not bark on unresolved dependancies |
| 19:22.41 | stew | !+info dummy-java2-runtime |
| 19:22.43 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 19:22.46 | dpkg | Package 'dummy-java2-runtime' does not exist. |
| 19:23.00 | ddunham | ... |
| 19:23.01 | luci0 | johnny_nubie_ which error? |
| 19:23.09 | tschwend | I think a package in testing hosed my PAM auth... Server's down. :-( |
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| 19:23.22 | Mr-R | deadcat: who is the intended audience? :) |
| 19:23.28 | deadcat | Mr-R: my class |
| 19:23.28 | ddunham | Im trying... |
| 19:23.29 | johnny_nubie_ | luci0: none really, its see's the ac97 and asks if I want to proble legacy |
| 19:23.30 | thc | johnny_nubie: soundblaster live 7.1 ? |
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| 19:23.41 | deadcat | Mr-R: speech class (classmates) |
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| 19:23.54 | johnny_nubie_ | thc: ill have to pull it - it's the cheaper pci soundblaster |
| 19:24.00 | deadcat | Mr-R: what i need to change? add? |
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| 19:24.11 | johnny_nubie_ | playback works on the ac97, i just need the line in to work |
| 19:24.21 | interbird | ddunham: stew is right -- i forgot to ask what wat not working... |
| 19:24.31 | Mr-R | deadcat: your computer science class? at school? college? university? mit? :) |
| 19:24.43 | luci0 | johnny_nubie_ need install alsa specify of the version of its kernel |
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| 19:24.45 | deadcat | Mr-R: college, speech class. not cs class. |
| 19:24.48 | bucky | johnny_nubie_, (1) did you turn off the integrated sound in the bios ? (2) did you upgrade from the install kernel ? (3) did you run alsaconf ? |
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| 19:25.24 | johnny_nubie_ | bucky: 1:no 2:kernel is 2.6 now 3: yes |
| 19:25.39 | Mr-R | deadcat: hmm: http://fun.drno.de/flash/SwitchLinux.swf |
| 19:25.50 | deadcat | Mr-R: ah. i cant do that (= |
| 19:25.53 | bucky | johnny_nubie_, afaik soundblaster is not ac97 |
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| 19:25.58 | deadcat | Mr-R: hehe. world donimation |
| 19:26.04 | stew | i don't think he should have to turn off integrated sound to see a pci sound card |
| 19:26.07 | thc | johnny_nubie_: you might not even have the driver for that card, it's in the newest version of alsa |
| 19:26.12 | johnny_nubie_ | bucky ac97 is the onboard card |
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| 19:26.33 | bucky | prolly loading the oss module |
| 19:26.58 | johnny_nubie_ | the simple wav's for opening and clasing things are playing from the ac97 at this time |
| 19:26.59 | stew | johnny_nubie_: "lsmod | grep emu" does that list any modules like "emu10k1" |
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| 19:27.44 | deepan | after chroot... i did xhost+ .. it says xhost: unable to open display ":0.0" |
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| 19:27.54 | johnny_nubie_ | stew: lsmod | grep emu returns nothing |
| 19:28.03 | johnny_nubie_ | stew: goes to next prompt |
| 19:28.08 | deadcat | johnny_nubie_: what card? |
| 19:28.10 | Mr-R | deadcat: i would give not only the pro's of linux but also the cons. linux is about choice. |
| 19:28.27 | johnny_nubie_ | deadcat: i dont understand your question |
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| 19:28.33 | deadcat | Mr-R: ya. ok. |
| 19:28.36 | stew | johnny_nubie_: paste the 1 line from "lspci" about that card |
| 19:28.53 | ddunham | interbird: any other suggestions |
| 19:28.55 | deadcat | Mr-R: where would i put that? |
| 19:29.04 | johnny_nubie_ | stew: im sorry I dont understand |
| 19:29.19 | interbird | ddunham: Dunno what your problem is exactly |
| 19:29.19 | stew | johnny_nubie_: paste the output of "lspci" to http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 19:29.29 | johnny_nubie_ | stew: working |
| 19:29.38 | ddunham | interbird; i am trying to install some POS commercial software named websense... (websense.com) |
| 19:29.40 | ddunham | It needs JVM. |
| 19:29.49 | luci0 | johnny_nubie_ you need install alsa again and later it executes alsaconf |
| 19:29.51 | ddunham | Whenever I run the install.sh it says there isn't a suitable JVM available. |
| 19:30.04 | Mr-R | deadcat: at the comparison of windows and linux. packet management in linux vs pointy-clicky shiny windows installation and hardware support. |
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| 19:30.11 | interbird | ddunham: Do you have java installed ? |
| 19:30.12 | ddunham | it says i can use the option -is:javahome <JAVA HOME> to point it where JVM lives |
| 19:30.14 | ddunham | and i've done that |
| 19:30.15 | ddunham | yes |
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| 19:30.20 | Gomo1 | ls |
| 19:30.23 | Gomo1 | oops |
| 19:30.31 | deadcat | Mr-R: ok. but wouldnt i confuse them? the are not cs students |
| 19:30.40 | ddunham | sun-j2sdk1.6 1.5.0+update05 |
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| 19:30.47 | interbird | ddunham: try 'which java' -- without the quotes |
| 19:30.49 | ddunham | and j2re1.5 |
| 19:30.57 | johnny_nubie_ | stew: after kernel upgrade, should I have reinstaleld alsa and if so, how? |
| 19:31.00 | ddunham | says /usr/bin/java |
| 19:31.07 | deadcat | Mr-R: maybe instead of using persuade, i should change it to "trick" them heheh |
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| 19:31.17 | stew | johnny_nubie_: no, alsa is part ofthe 2.6 kernel so installing the kenrel was enough |
| 19:31.19 | deadcat | Mr-R: the first hit is free (= |
| 19:31.29 | thc | dude, what kind of soundcard is it? why are you avoiding the question? |
| 19:31.39 | thc | you might need a testing kernel that has newer alsa drivers |
| 19:31.44 | thc | what card is it. |
| 19:31.48 | w3rdn4 | what would my usb dev be? |
| 19:31.58 | Mr-R | deadcat: uhm. you lost me with "trick". sorry, i am not a native english speaker |
| 19:31.59 | interbird | ddunham: Where did you install the sun-kit ? |
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| 19:32.11 | deadcat | Mr-R: nevermind. |
| 19:32.12 | johnny_nubie_ | stew: http://channels.debian.net/paste/938 |
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| 19:32.45 | ddunham | interbird: I grabbed the bin and made a package like it says to do on debianarticles.org |
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| 19:32.51 | stew | johnny_nubie_: there is no soundblaster card in there |
| 19:32.55 | ddunham | then i used dpkg -i to install it |
| 19:32.55 | johnny_nubie_ | thc: are you asking me? |
| 19:33.02 | johnny_nubie_ | stew: i see that |
| 19:33.04 | thc | yes. |
| 19:33.05 | stew | johnny_nubie_: is it a pci card? or a usb card or something? |
| 19:33.07 | ddunham | and now whenever i try to apt-get install it says the latest version ios installed |
| 19:33.16 | interbird | ddunham: Have you ever installed Blackdown Java ? |
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| 19:33.18 | johnny_nubie_ | thc: there's a SB PCI and an onboard ac97 |
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| 19:33.30 | ddunham | no this is a fresh system |
| 19:33.30 | johnny_nubie_ | stew: it's pci the SB |
| 19:33.34 | thc | johnny_nubie_: what model?? 5.1 or 7.1 |
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| 19:33.50 | johnny_nubie_ | thc: i'll need to yank it to check |
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| 19:34.13 | thc | sarge 2.6 kernel has the alsa driver for the 5.1 but not the 7.1 |
| 19:34.19 | interbird | ddunham: I find this integrates the best on debian; it's 1.4.2 i think -- must be good enought. |
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| 19:34.27 | stew | johnny_nubie_: bad pci slot? try it in a different one if there is one available. it really should show up in lspci no matter what even if there is no support for it |
| 19:34.34 | ddunham | apt it? |
| 19:34.35 | apt | italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 19:34.49 | interbird | ddunham: You'll have to adjust /etc/apt/sources.list to install it |
| 19:34.54 | stew | ddunham: what java app are you having trouble with? |
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| 19:34.55 | interbird | ddunham: Wanna try it ? |
| 19:34.57 | johnny_nubie_ | ok - il yank it and check the rev# and then reseat it and i shall return - thank you all |
| 19:35.02 | ddunham | interbird: whatever may work |
| 19:35.06 | ddunham | stew: websense, again. |
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| 19:35.24 | interbird | ddunham: What is your preffered text-editor ? |
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| 19:35.29 | ddunham | pico |
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| 19:35.33 | ddunham | nano |
| 19:35.33 | stew | ddunham: do they have a jvm that they recommend? |
| 19:36.02 | deadcat | leafpad |
| 19:36.02 | ddunham | stew: no, it just says cannot find a suitable jvm |
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| 19:36.02 | interbird | ddunham: nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:36.02 | ddunham | k |
| 19:36.02 | ddunham | main contrib is in there |
| 19:36.06 | ddunham | and stable |
| 19:36.11 | ddunham | stalb/eupdates main contrib |
| 19:36.19 | abrotman | omg .. you're using stable?!?!? |
| 19:36.29 | stew | ddunham: do you have JAVA_HOME set? |
| 19:36.57 | ddunham | declare =x JAVA_HOME="/usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/lib/" |
| 19:37.03 | ddunham | is what it says when i type export |
| 19:37.06 | ddunham | declare -x rather |
| 19:37.39 | interbird | ddunham: add this line: deb ftp://ftp.tux.org/java/debian/ sarge non-free |
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| 19:37.55 | stew | ddunham: that should be /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun (without the /lib) possibly |
| 19:38.04 | interbird | ddunham: Then use synaptic to install Blackdown |
| 19:38.04 | ddunham | interbird: i see blackdown in /usr/share/java-package/blackdown |
| 19:38.14 | karsten | gnome-control-center is crashing when I try to launch it under Debian testing/unstable |
| 19:38.28 | karsten | $ gnome-control-center |
| 19:38.28 | karsten | (gnome-control-center:19155): libgnomevfs-CRITICAL **: gnome_vfs_uri_append_string: assertion `uri != NULL' failed |
| 19:38.34 | karsten | Thoughts? |
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| 19:38.51 | interbird | ddunham: What does java -version say ? |
| 19:39.01 | ddunham | JamVM 1.20 |
| 19:39.18 | interbird | ddunham: Jam? |
| 19:39.23 | stew | wtf is JamVM |
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| 19:39.44 | stew | ddunham: what does "which java" say? |
| 19:39.47 | ]SW[Hannibal | does anyone know if Debian 3.1 supports this |
| 19:39.48 | ]SW[Hannibal | D-Link AirPlus G DWL-G122 Wireless USB adapter(rev.A2) |
| 19:39.59 | abrotman | karsten: #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org ? |
| 19:40.02 | deadcat | karsten: what you think? http://sshonly.sytes.net/stmp/persuasive.speech |
| 19:40.04 | Lounis_ | hello, I have a small question about packaging: I write a small application in C with GTK, it is curently on debian unstable and testing: http://packages.debian.org/testing/x11/gsetroot . My problem is that the package depends only to Eterm and not gtk... can you tell me why and if it is a big problem? |
| 19:40.07 | ddunham | ../usr/bin/java |
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| 19:40.09 | ddunham | on which java |
| 19:40.09 | karsten | abrotman: Thought. |
| 19:40.20 | deadcat | karsten: and you gonna bring me my shirt tomorrow? (= |
| 19:40.21 | ddunham | I just removed jamvm and now there is no /usr/bin/java |
| 19:40.26 | karsten | deadcat: I think gnome is f'd seven ways from sunday, but that's just my opinion. |
| 19:40.29 | karsten | deadcat: No ;-) |
| 19:40.30 | ddunham | I installed it thinking it would be okay |
| 19:40.34 | stew | ddunham: update-alternatives --config java |
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| 19:40.45 | interbird | ddunham: All I know is that some software don't run with kaffe or so -- It seems you have Jam as the natove Java VM |
| 19:40.51 | ddunham | okay |
| 19:40.51 | deadcat | karsten: dammit (=.. and fuck gnome |
| 19:40.56 | ddunham | stew: there are two alternatives |
| 19:40.57 | ddunham | j2re |
| 19:40.58 | ddunham | and j2sdk |
| 19:41.08 | dvm1981 | ]SW[Hannibal : i interesting in the answer because i also look for a wifi usb network |
| 19:41.09 | stew | ddunham: shouldn't matter |
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| 19:41.17 | ddunham | now |
| 19:41.18 | ddunham | it says |
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| 19:41.24 | ddunham | java version "1.5_05" |
| 19:41.43 | interbird | ddunham: Get BlackDown and keep 1.5 separate |
| 19:41.48 | karsten | How do I switch the active server in irssi? I'm connected to several |
| 19:42.00 | deadcat | karsten: /server |
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| 19:42.07 | stew | ddunham: what happens when you try websense now? |
| 19:42.11 | stew | karsten: ctrl-x |
| 19:42.13 | ddunham | same error... |
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| 19:42.43 | karsten | deadcat: Nope. |
| 19:42.45 | karsten | stew: Right. |
| 19:43.08 | interbird | ddunham: You have to reconfigure your Java |
| 19:43.33 | ddunham | and do what |
| 19:43.50 | ddunham | or in which way rather |
| 19:43.56 | karsten | abrotman: Empty channel FWIW. |
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| 19:44.02 | abrotman | karsten: no it's not |
| 19:44.27 | abrotman | karsten: on irc.gnome.org ? |
| 19:44.31 | karsten | abrotman: Myself and chanserv. Yes. |
| 19:44.39 | abrotman | karsten: #gnome-debian ? |
| 19:44.44 | stew | ddunham: try it with JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun and with JAVA_HOME unset, i'm pretty sure you shouldn't have the trailing /lib on JAVA_HOME |
| 19:44.45 | abrotman | karsten: 44 people in it |
| 19:44.47 | interbird | ddunham: Jam is jammin' things I think... |
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| 19:45.09 | stew | interbird: how would it be? |
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| 19:45.22 | interbird | ddunham: Or... write a shell-wrapper for the app setting the correct environment |
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| 19:45.34 | abrotman | karsten: yay! .. you made it :) |
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| 19:45.40 | karsten | abrotman: OK, I'm an irssi f'tard, figured it out ;-) |
| 19:45.43 | karsten | abrotman: Quite. |
| 19:45.44 | abrotman | heh |
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| 19:45.52 | interbird | stew: By being the first jvm in the path ? |
| 19:46.03 | abrotman | karsten: there is also #gnome on that server ... |
| 19:46.11 | stew | interbird: not according to java -version |
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| 19:46.42 | interbird | stew: That's true, but do you know what this app checks to find a jvm ? |
| 19:46.42 | karsten | abrotman: OK. |
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| 19:47.35 | Zap-W | what happens when someone staticly assign an IP that has already been given by DHCP on the network? |
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| 19:48.12 | interbird | stew: I would ceate a shell-wrapper specifying the JVM to use and then see if the app runs |
| 19:48.16 | deadcat | karsten: so what up? you aint gonna be at the meeting tomorrow or you just dont have a shirt for me? (= |
| 19:49.22 | Blackgoth | Zap-W depents on the dhcp, sometimes it gives up the lease and puts it in its records as static, other time the static ip is pushed out of the network |
| 19:49.27 | stew | interbird: how would you specify which jvm to use? |
| 19:49.55 | stew | Zap-W: what dhcp server is capable of that? |
| 19:49.56 | zinx | Zap-W: depends on what OS is also running with the IP :P |
| 19:49.56 | stew | err |
| 19:50.01 | stew | Blackgoth: ^^ |
| 19:50.14 | interbird | stew: By setting the environment-variables for the JVM and then starting the app |
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| 19:50.30 | stew | interbird: what environment variables? |
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| 19:50.36 | karsten | abrotman: Nobody seems to care <sniff> |
| 19:50.40 | interbird | stew: The Java-ones |
| 19:50.44 | karsten | deadcat: No shirt. |
| 19:50.47 | deadcat | )= |
| 19:50.51 | interbird | stew: PATH |
| 19:50.51 | Blackgoth | true stew |
| 19:50.52 | stew | you mean like i'm telling him to try |
| 19:50.54 | deadcat | karsten: your company is cheap |
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| 19:50.58 | abrotman | karsten: wait .. be patient |
| 19:50.59 | abrotman | !piav |
| 19:51.00 | dpkg | Patience is a virtue - just wait and someone will answer you. |
| 19:51.02 | stew | interbird: PATH is correct alrready |
| 19:51.45 | abrotman | karsten: you could try #gnome too .. i assume BTS has nothing ? |
| 19:52.05 | deadcat | karsten: why you want gnome? |
| 19:52.05 | karsten | abrotman: Not sure what to BTS it under ... |
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| 19:52.17 | Zap-W | with what switches to run nmap just for checking if an IP is alive |
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| 19:52.27 | sval | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.28 | Blackgoth | how to check in sarge how your network medium is running?(full/half duplex, 10/100mbit) ? |
| 19:52.30 | sussudio | !rtfm |
| 19:52.30 | dpkg | hmm... rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
| 19:52.30 | sval | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.38 | abrotman | karsten: gnome-control-center is it's own package i think |
| 19:52.40 | interbird | stew: That could be, but by "wrapping" you isolate -- matter of elimination... |
| 19:53.00 | deadcat | sval: sval find /path -iname blah -exec rm {} \; |
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| 19:53.21 | abrotman | karsten: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=325501 |
| 19:53.30 | w3rdn4 | my desktop is super small after my install |
| 19:53.31 | karsten | abrotman: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=325501 |
| 19:53.33 | karsten | Yeah. |
| 19:53.34 | w3rdn4 | hwo do I change the size? |
| 19:53.40 | mage | whats that method for authenticating X connections with like a cookie or key? |
| 19:53.43 | sval | deadcat: thx ! |
| 19:53.45 | karsten | w3rdn4: Stroke it a few times... |
| 19:53.47 | abrotman | karsten: and that's a great fix they have there! |
| 19:53.59 | jim | feed it coffee |
| 19:54.03 | w3rdn4 | it only allows for 800X600 |
| 19:54.06 | w3rdn4 | arG! |
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| 19:54.10 | sussudio | w3rdn4: naturalize it to USian |
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| 19:54.18 | abrotman | w3rdn4: what kind of video card ? |
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| 19:54.31 | karsten | @fishsmite abrotman |
| 19:54.31 | w3rdn4 | nvida geforce 2 32mb ddr |
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| 19:54.38 | abrotman | hrm .. |
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| 19:54.40 | karsten | !fishsmite abrotman |
| 19:54.44 | abrotman | does the nv driver work with geforce2? |
| 19:55.01 | w3rdn4 | I have a GUI up using that NV driver |
| 19:55.04 | interbird | w3rnd4: Are you using the unified drivers ? |
| 19:55.29 | abrotman | karsten: you could tell #gnome-debian you found a similar/related/same bug |
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| 19:55.46 | _rene_ | abrotman: iirc the newer ones don't anymore. you need to get a older one iirc |
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| 19:55.52 | karsten | abrotman: Done. |
| 19:55.56 | abrotman | karsten: i can see |
| 19:56.12 | _rene_ | but I don't have a nvidia card and if I'd have one I would not use the nvidia drivers, so.... |
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| 19:56.21 | karsten | abrotman: Any way to make irssi split-screen or show multiple channels on one window? |
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| 19:56.30 | abrotman | karsten: not that i know of |
| 19:56.33 | karsten | abrotman: ... other than obvious screen hacks? |
| 19:56.36 | karsten | abrotman: OK. |
| 19:56.40 | deadcat | karsten: yes |
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| 19:56.48 | Blackgoth | how to check in sarge how your network medium is running?(full/half duplex, 10/100mbit) ? |
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| 19:57.01 | mage | ifconfig doesn't do it? |
| 19:57.05 | Blackgoth | nope |
| 19:57.09 | karsten | abrotman: ... in related news: http://noone.org/blog/English/Computer/Web/Browsers/Galeon%201.2.x%20vs%20Galeon%201.3.x.html |
| 19:57.11 | interbird | Blackgoth: ifconfig |
| 19:57.20 | Blackgoth | doesnt show it |
| 19:57.28 | interbird | Blackgoth: ifconfig -a |
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| 19:58.30 | sussudio | !gothsmite Blackgoth |
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| 19:58.32 | abrotman | karsten: yeah .. people are weird ... :) |
| 19:58.34 | sep | w3rdn4, im running 1280x1024 on my nvidia, use the nvidia one-liner, or the nvidia howto to get the nvidia drivers and drxx to set what ersolutions you want available |
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| 20:01.00 | sep | Blackgoth, , miitool or ethtool or miidiag, for mii compliant devices, some modules show it in dmesg some dont show it at all |
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| 20:01.34 | NewIRC | hello |
| 20:01.49 | interbird | hello |
| 20:01.56 | NewIRC | Slackware have a lice cd version ? |
| 20:01.59 | NewIRC | live* |
| 20:02.07 | abrotman | NewIRC: ask #slackware ? |
| 20:02.18 | NewIRC | ok |
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| 20:03.01 | johnny_nubie_ | ok I reseated the SB and it's a CT4790, BTW |
| 20:03.07 | johnny_nubie_ | it shows up in lspci |
| 20:03.11 | johnny_nubie_ | and alsoconf see's it |
| 20:03.21 | interbird | NewIRC: http://slax.linux-live.org/ |
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| 20:03.41 | johnny_nubie_ | but no sound from it |
| 20:03.42 | Blackgoth | sep thnx, that did the trick |
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| 20:04.05 | johnny_nubie_ | 0000:02:03.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 08) |
| 20:04.35 | blueTiffin | How important are the HorizSync and VertRefresh numbers on an LCD laptop. If I get it wrong can there be damage? |
| 20:04.41 | jim | johnny_nubie_: so, are the modules loaded? |
| 20:04.52 | pem3v78 | just after unpacking nfs-common and nfs-kernel-server I got: Starting NFS common utilities: statdinvoke-rc.d: initscript nfs-common, action "start" failed. and nfs-kernel-server can't be configured. ?? |
| 20:04.59 | johnny_nubie_ | jim: howdo i check and which modules? |
| 20:05.04 | Gnea | blueTiffin: that possibility always exists |
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| 20:05.10 | johnny_nubie_ | i'm on the 2.6 kernel |
| 20:05.11 | jim | snd-emu10k1 for instance |
| 20:05.20 | mage | hey does anyone know how I can let a remote computer connect to my X server without having to xhost + it? |
| 20:05.22 | jim | you want alsa, right? |
| 20:05.38 | Gnea | blueTiffin: but the x config should detect it - if not there's probably a config file out on the net you can google for |
| 20:05.44 | johnny_nubie_ | jim: i want the line in to work, I dont care what code can accomplish it |
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| 20:06.18 | blueTiffin | Gnea: Can this be tested without wrecking anything. I've found no info on a DELL Latitude J650GT I just got used. |
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| 20:06.42 | jim | mage: the remote and local must have xauth, ssh must be configured on both sides to allow x fwding, then you fire up an xterm, ssh to the remote. |
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| 20:07.15 | jim | if they're both debian, apt-get install xbase-clients |
| 20:07.16 | kinetik | can anyone help me with xorg? |
| 20:07.19 | jim | on both |
| 20:07.23 | mage | k |
| 20:07.33 | sep | mage, secuer and easy, way is sshx |
| 20:07.40 | kinetik | i installed it by following the install notes on x.org but i cant seem to run xorgconfig |
| 20:07.42 | interbird | I just fucked-up my bdb ldap databases - does anyone know a repair command ? |
| 20:08.03 | abrotman | interbird: dump/restore .. /me runs |
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| 20:08.10 | Gnea | blueTiffin: i always just run the X command |
| 20:08.14 | jim | johnny_nubie_: man lsmod; see what it does... |
| 20:08.18 | blueTiffin | Gnea: I'll continue the searching. Thanks...Off to look around |
| 20:08.24 | Gnea | blueTiffin: if you want to catch errors directly, X >& X.log |
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| 20:08.38 | sep | mage, /msg dpkg sshx for details |
| 20:08.45 | mage | k |
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| 20:08.59 | johnny_nubie_ | jim: it did soem stuff |
| 20:09.00 | HellKat | When I try to cp files off of a DVD onto my Harddrive, on some of the files, I get an Input/Output error |
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| 20:09.14 | johnny_nubie_ | lsmod8 |
| 20:09.17 | grendal_prime | hey i got squidproxy spawing shitloads of processes] |
| 20:09.18 | interbird | abrotman: Yeh, but the backup i have is 2 days old and I chaned a lot. Any dbd-repair stuff you know of |
| 20:09.19 | kinetik | kinetik@offworld:/usr/X11R6/bin$ xorgconfig |
| 20:09.19 | kinetik | bash: xorgconfig: command not found |
| 20:09.21 | kinetik | :\ |
| 20:09.21 | jim | oh great... someone who knows how to communicate... |
| 20:09.30 | abrotman | interbird: not that i can think of .. maybe ask #ldap ? |
| 20:10.05 | johnny_nubie_ | jim: i'm not sure how to describe what it did - it seems to have dumped some version info |
| 20:10.09 | grendal_prime | sorry squidGuard how can i shutdown all of them? |
| 20:10.30 | jim | johnny_nubie_: man lsmod (what does it do?) |
| 20:10.47 | kinetik | anyone ? :( |
| 20:10.54 | HellKat | I get Input/Output when i cp files from a DVD onto my Harddrive, How do I fix this? |
| 20:10.55 | grendal_prime | cant figure out what damen starts those... |
| 20:10.59 | interbird | abrotman: Maybe, 1st puzzling a bit more; thx |
| 20:11.04 | HellKat | try xf86config, |
| 20:11.04 | johnny_nubie_ | jim: it sneds with Manual page lsmod(8) line 1/31 (END) |
| 20:11.06 | grendal_prime | i can ssh into the thing but its damn slow |
| 20:11.06 | deadcat | HellKat: bad cd? |
| 20:11.07 | pem3v78 | is it ok for statd to take up to 30s to startup ? |
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| 20:11.21 | deadcat | grendal_prime: your connection is bad? |
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| 20:11.26 | HellKat | deadcat: its brand new. the Quake 4 CD |
| 20:11.39 | deadcat | HellKat: and that cant be a bad cd? |
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| 20:11.56 | Blackgoth | a new hd can be bad |
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| 20:12.05 | Blackgoth | a new child could be bad |
| 20:12.11 | Blackgoth | why wont a cd be bad? |
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| 20:12.17 | groton | hello all. I need to set up some variables system wide. ANy hint? |
| 20:12.23 | HellKat | deadcat: Some of the files DO copy |
| 20:12.23 | HellKat | quake 4 CANT be bad lol |
| 20:12.26 | abrotman | groton: /etc/profile |
| 20:12.30 | cathper | uhm, how to substitute more by less? |
| 20:12.31 | deadcat | ya. you pay for it from a store doesnt mean it still cant be bad |
| 20:12.35 | groton | (i tryed /etc/rofile with no luck) |
| 20:12.39 | tyranix | HellKat: I saw the /. story about that. Is it the 2nd CD? It seems many people are having problems with it. It may be using secureROM (which would require Windows to read? not sure). |
| 20:12.43 | johnny_nubie_ | jim: yes that module is loaded - snd_util_mem 4576 1 snd_emu10k1 |
| 20:12.50 | deadcat | HellKat: ya. |
| 20:12.57 | grendal_prime | deadcat, i think i got it..i just shudwon squid gard in the /etc/init.d |
| 20:13.01 | Blackgoth | HellKat i have q4 here, i think its rather bad! |
| 20:13.02 | abrotman | groton: did you logout/in ? |
| 20:13.05 | deadcat | grendal_prime: ah |
| 20:13.05 | HellKat | tyranix: no, its the DVD |
| 20:13.08 | grendal_prime | well squid anyway |
| 20:13.08 | groton | abrotman, yes |
| 20:13.11 | HellKat | Blackgoth: That sucks.. |
| 20:13.14 | abrotman | groton: login how? |
| 20:13.16 | Blackgoth | :P |
| 20:13.21 | grendal_prime | i didnt even realize i had squid running on that damn thing |
| 20:13.21 | jim | johnny_nubie_: aha... so, let's see... what about your mixer settings? |
| 20:13.32 | groton | abrotman, i rebooted too |
| 20:13.34 | deadcat | Blackgoth: you still need the cd key right? i was gonna download the x86 but then i read the damn faq.. |
| 20:13.36 | abrotman | groton: login how? |
| 20:13.37 | grendal_prime | its a router..i must have set that up foreverago and then forgot about it |
| 20:13.45 | groton | abrotman, gdm |
| 20:13.49 | johnny_nubie_ | jim: what mixer can i use? any? because alsamixer is ugly |
| 20:13.57 | interbird | cathper: use an alias to substitute more by less |
| 20:14.00 | abrotman | groton: you mean this isn't a shell thing ? like xterm/gnome-terminal ? |
| 20:14.02 | abrotman | !.bashrc |
| 20:14.05 | kinetik | can anyone tell me why i cant run xorgconfig after installing the whole thing? |
| 20:14.07 | abrotman | !bashrc |
| 20:14.08 | dpkg | well, ~/.bashrc is where you put all your aliases and functions. It's read at start-up time by all interactive non-login shells. To make sure it's read by a login shell, put "source ~/.bashrc" at the end of ~/.bash_profile |
| 20:14.08 | Blackgoth | deadcat for q4? well yeah but a legal key does help :) |
| 20:14.09 | mzilikazi64 | johnny_nubie_: aumix has a nice gtk interface |
| 20:14.10 | jim | who cares about ugly?? you want to get sound :) |
| 20:14.23 | mzilikazi64 | aumix-gtk |
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| 20:14.29 | mzilikazi64 | or mixmos |
| 20:14.29 | deadcat | Blackgoth: oh well. my machines are too slow for it anyway (= |
| 20:14.30 | grendal_prime | elaborate on "Whole thing" |
| 20:14.36 | groton | abrotman, the variables appears only in a shell i open after having logged in. |
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| 20:14.39 | cathper | interbird: I want to be able to scroll backwards etc. |
| 20:14.46 | grendal_prime | or can you be a bit more vague please? |
| 20:14.47 | groton | abrotman, because i added it to .bashrc |
| 20:14.49 | abrotman | groton: and when would you like them to appear ? |
| 20:14.51 | interbird | cathper: Then install less |
| 20:14.53 | kinetik | well uh..the whole thing..like..i followed the install notes on x.org |
| 20:15.05 | kinetik | and a whole load of garbage came by in my terminal |
| 20:15.07 | groton | abrotman, globally, for example, when i start kdevelop3 by the menu |
| 20:15.08 | abrotman | kinetik: you mean you installed xorg from source? |
| 20:15.19 | abrotman | groton: hrm .. |
| 20:15.26 | faif | is there a problem with the default gcj and gij installation (the free java implementation)? |
| 20:15.27 | groton | abrotman, since the var does not get defined, i always need to runa shell and run kdevelop3 from there |
| 20:15.29 | faif | cause I have a problem when I am trying to execute a graphical (swing) java application |
| 20:15.31 | kinetik | it didnt have anything else on that site :/ |
| 20:15.32 | johnny_nubie_ | jim: are the changed in aumix and alsamixer in realtime? |
| 20:15.43 | cathper | interbird: yeah, but where is it? |
| 20:15.46 | kinetik | but yes from source |
| 20:15.47 | faif | the I/O applications are executed fine |
| 20:15.57 | interbird | cathper: apt-get install less |
| 20:16.05 | jim | dunno whether aumix will work for alsa unless you have oss emu loaded |
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| 20:16.18 | abrotman | groton: check the gdm.conf .. see if there's a variable in there to get it to look in /etc/profile |
| 20:16.23 | stew | faif: you might wanna ask in #debian-java, but its likely that all of swing hasn't been immplementd in gnu-classpath yet |
| 20:16.25 | groton | abrotman, oki |
| 20:16.36 | johnny_nubie_ | jim: good kuzz it's uglier than alsa, sorry mzilikazi64 |
| 20:16.36 | jim | if not, you must use an alsa-specific mixer |
| 20:16.38 | faif | thanks |
| 20:16.49 | interbird | cathper: ii less 382-2 Pager program similar to more |
| 20:17.04 | mzilikazi64 | johnny_nubie_: no worries - i prefer mixmos myself |
| 20:17.05 | cathper | err, not if I only have mirrors.dotsrc.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free in sources.list ... added ftp.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib. |
| 20:17.13 | kinetik | when i type in xorgconfig it says command not found |
| 20:17.17 | stew | with a version number like that, it must be good |
| 20:17.38 | abrotman | kinetik: why did you install xorg from source ? |
| 20:17.55 | karsten | abrotman: gnome-settings-daemon, for some reason, isn't starting. |
| 20:18.00 | kinetik | abrotman, it was the only thing i could download from x.org |
| 20:18.01 | johnny_nubie_ | jim: here's a dumb question |
| 20:18.16 | abrotman | kinetik: yes .. but why didn't you install it via apt-get ? |
| 20:18.27 | johnny_nubie_ | jim: if i run alsaconf as root instaead of my user account, is that why checnges arent having anyeffect? |
| 20:18.34 | stew | abrotman: to compile it -O7 |
| 20:18.35 | abrotman | karsten: i know .. you told me :) |
| 20:18.38 | luci0 | how i running my video card mx4000 in the linux? |
| 20:18.43 | kinetik | i looked through synaptic package manager and it didnt list xorg |
| 20:18.49 | johnny_nubie_ | jim: b/c the alsamixer has a differenect soundcard when i run under root vs/ my account |
| 20:18.50 | abrotman | kinetik: sarge ? |
| 20:18.56 | kinetik | yah |
| 20:18.59 | cathper | interbird: thanks for the help. |
| 20:19.02 | abrotman | !xorg sarge |
| 20:19.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xorg sarge is http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ for sarge backports of the xorg packages. Use at your own risk. |
| 20:19.09 | stew | johnny_nubie_: does either account have a .asoundrc file in ~? |
| 20:19.18 | interbird | welcome |
| 20:19.25 | deadcat | !xorg woody |
| 20:19.33 | stew | haha |
| 20:19.43 | karsten | abrotman: When? |
| 20:19.54 | cathper | interbird: I'll read up on apt -- I need it ... :-) |
| 20:19.57 | abrotman | karsten: like .. 45 minutes ago ? .. and then i told you go to #gnome-debian ? |
| 20:19.59 | karsten | abrotman: ... that was general to #gnome. |
| 20:20.00 | deadcat | stew: want to see/fix my speech outline? |
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| 20:20.14 | karsten | abrotman: No. gnome-settings-daemon is why my gconf settings weren't working. |
| 20:20.21 | stew | deadcat: url? |
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| 20:20.24 | abrotman | karsten: oh .. |
| 20:20.30 | karsten | abrotman: ... I've researched and learened that like a fucking half-dozen times in the past year or so. |
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| 20:20.35 | johnny_nubie_ | stew: uh---- |
| 20:20.36 | deadcat | stew: http://sshonly.sytes.net/stmp/persuasive.speech |
| 20:20.38 | karsten | abrotman: ... each time I forget what the damned problem was. |
| 20:20.39 | stockholm | how can i save my current alsa settings so that they are reused after the next boot? |
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| 20:20.43 | interbird | cathper: It's your lifeline :-) -- Check Synaptic (GUI) too. |
| 20:20.56 | deadcat | stew: let me know if you think thats 6-8minutes |
| 20:20.56 | johnny_nubie_ | stew: the .soundrec file in ~? |
| 20:21.09 | karsten | abrotman: ... various reasons, that's not starting at session startup. And I'm not entirely sure hwhat I've got to tweak Debian's X11 initialization to read an init file locally and run that for me. |
| 20:21.16 | abrotman | !tell luci0 about nvidia one-liner |
| 20:21.17 | kinetik | ah thanks, ill go try that one |
| 20:21.22 | stew | johnny_nubie_: no, .asoundrc if neither has one, then nevermind |
| 20:21.42 | johnny_nubie_ | stew: where am i to look ? |
| 20:21.44 | kinetik | asuming im downloading the right one now.. |
| 20:21.46 | cathper | interbird: until now I've used aptitude. |
| 20:22.02 | johnny_nubie_ | stew: alsaconf will not run under my user account? |
| 20:22.37 | abrotman | karsten: what if you try to start it via terminal ? |
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| 20:22.40 | grendal_prime | well the still didnt kill them off..anyway to kill off a range of pids |
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| 20:22.52 | stockholm | ah, you discuss alsa already? |
| 20:24.03 | interbird | cathper: I did too one time but my humble opinion is that neither aptitude nor dselect work for me -- I'd rather remember all 18000 packagenames by heart and use apt-get :-) |
| 20:24.32 | interbird | cathper: Or... Use Synaptic :-) |
| 20:24.55 | karsten | abrotman: Well, I could do that, certainly. I think there's also a wdm startup dialog selection to run "default" which == ~/.xsession or sommat. |
| 20:25.04 | karsten | Guerin: r u a girl? |
| 20:25.09 | karsten | !seen Guerin |
| 20:25.10 | dpkg | guerin is currently on #debian (7h 37m 18s). Has said a total of 125562 messages. Is idling for 5h 25m 21s |
| 20:25.13 | karsten | Feh. |
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| 20:25.16 | abrotman | karsten: sleeping |
| 20:25.18 | abrotman | karsten: and that was me |
| 20:25.22 | deadcat | karsten: forget him. talk to me (= |
| 20:25.26 | karsten | abrotman: So I gather.... |
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| 20:25.34 | cathper | interbird: searching facilities are to the better ... :-) |
| 20:25.39 | karsten | abrotman: .. Naw, just a tired, old joke, being rehashed. |
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| 20:25.52 | cathper | interbird: uhm, apt-howto :-) |
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| 20:26.09 | interbird | cathper: -) |
| 20:26.14 | karsten | abrotman: where are you BTW? |
| 20:26.24 | sussudio | drury lane |
| 20:26.39 | abrotman | karsten: philly |
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| 20:26.44 | Firefishe | Hi folks |
| 20:26.49 | abrotman | karsten: i was the one that thought you were a girl .. remember .. your bra ? |
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| 20:27.11 | karsten | abrotman: ... vaguely. It's all a haze... |
| 20:27.17 | karsten | abrotman: ... and yeah, now I remember again. |
| 20:27.21 | abrotman | karsten: no more smog for you |
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| 20:28.11 | sgeigerbot | Don't I know you from somewhere? |
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| 20:28.26 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: i wouldn't be caught dead in nebraska :) |
| 20:28.31 | karsten | abrotman: I deny everything. |
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| 20:28.35 | karsten | sgeigerbot: Jail? |
| 20:28.35 | blueTiffin_ | Gnea: Sorry I was bailing just as I saw the X > X.log& help. But I found the numbers. Thanks a bunch. |
| 20:28.37 | |LinuxCa| | Hello |
| 20:28.42 | kinetik | got another question.. |
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| 20:28.46 | sgeigerbot | karsten: B I N G O ! |
| 20:28.46 | gnomefreak | why is it telling me to install anjuta it has to get rid of kde and kde packages? i would like to keep my kde desktop |
| 20:28.55 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: Nebraska is a sort of jail. |
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| 20:29.02 | kinetik | i got 768 mb ram in this rig but debian seems to suck up close to 700 of it somehow |
| 20:29.05 | kinetik | is that normal? |
| 20:29.06 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: corn rows instead of bars? :) |
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| 20:29.20 | |LinuxCa| | Any of you have use digital terrestial TV cards in Debian/Linux¿? |
| 20:29.21 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: oh no. If there's a corn row, there's a bar. |
| 20:29.23 | abrotman | !free ram |
| 20:29.23 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
| 20:29.27 | kinetik | when i run azureus i even run out and some things wont work anymore cause theres no ram |
| 20:29.31 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: No, I sort of feel landlocked-up. |
| 20:29.32 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: hehe |
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| 20:29.37 | Firefishe | I have a /dev/sd* two-drive system with ata connectors. I'm running debian 3.1 sarge and trying to mount the windows side of the two drives. I seem to have some type of logical drive problem, can anyone assist? I have the partition table ready for #flood if you need it. |
| 20:29.40 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: just the red river? |
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| 20:29.48 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: exactly. |
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| 20:30.30 | kinetik | that doesnt help me much tbh |
| 20:30.37 | kinetik | im just looking a the resource monitor |
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| 20:31.14 | kinetik | used memory 748 of 756 - 99% |
| 20:31.22 | giraffe | www.free-porn-here.de.vuwww.free-porn-here.de.vu |
| 20:31.23 | grendal_prime | abrotman, anyway to kill several processes whith the same name? |
| 20:31.28 | abrotman | killall |
| 20:31.35 | kinetik | used swap 184kb of 3.6gb |
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| 20:31.54 | grendal_prime | killall squidguard? |
| 20:32.00 | abrotman | sure .. why not |
| 20:32.03 | grendal_prime | that seems too damn easy |
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| 20:32.40 | kinetik | im not even running anything unusual afaik.. |
| 20:32.42 | abrotman | grendal_prime: then look for a harder way :) |
| 20:33.02 | kinetik | just gdm and irc |
| 20:33.10 | johnny_nubie_ | well so much for line input under linux |
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| 20:33.43 | johnny_nubie_ | the cdplayers dont work either |
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| 20:34.00 | Firefishe | anyone here know about mounting an ntfs logical partition? |
| 20:35.26 | kinetik | anyone know whats eating my ram? :/ |
| 20:35.29 | grendal_prime | no that worked abrotman |
| 20:35.43 | grendal_prime | i just was saying..something that simple...with all this grief |
| 20:35.53 | SimonRaven | kinetik: forgot to take it to lunch? |
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| 20:35.59 | grendal_prime | hey i have a "find" being executed by nobody |
| 20:36.06 | grendal_prime | why does that sound bad |
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| 20:36.20 | kinetik | dunno.. |
| 20:36.24 | SimonRaven | then it doesn't matter, if nobody is running it |
| 20:36.27 | SimonRaven | ;p |
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| 20:36.38 | grendal_prime | very funny |
| 20:36.40 | Firefishe | check your ports grendal |
| 20:36.42 | grendal_prime | the user |
| 20:36.42 | kinetik | its just using 99.1% of my ram |
| 20:37.07 | StyXman | stupid question of the day: I have the orig.tar.gz, the diff.gz and the .dsc files for some deb package. how do I `combine´ them? I remember it was something to do with dpkg something... |
| 20:37.10 | SimonRaven | grendal_prime: ;). is it running now, and what time of day is it over there? |
| 20:37.19 | sussudio | kinetik: domoor |
| 20:37.22 | sussudio | !free ram |
| 20:37.22 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
| 20:37.40 | Firefishe | !mount ntfs |
| 20:37.40 | dpkg | mounting NTFS is `mount -t ntfs -o uid=<uid>,gid=<gid>,umask=003 /dev/<ntfs partition> /<mount point>' or adding '/dev/<ntfs partition> /<mount point> ntfs uid=<uid>,gid=<gid>,defaults,umask=003 0 0' to your /etc/fstab |
| 20:38.10 | interbird | when nobody becaomes somebody things a gettin' to sound bad |
| 20:38.16 | kinetik | if its not really in use..then how come sometimes i cant run stuff cause it says theres no free resources? |
| 20:38.40 | SimonRaven | checked in say top, or free yet, what's using it? |
| 20:38.46 | gnomefreak | ok anyone know why in sarge anjuta wants me to remove kde before installing anjuta? |
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| 20:39.14 | kinetik | thats the problem..i dont know |
| 20:39.16 | SimonRaven | grendal_prime: believe or not, the question matters since my answer depends on what i asked |
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| 20:39.25 | SimonRaven | grendal_prime: and your reply to it |
| 20:39.33 | interbird | maybe it want's to remove the meta-package |
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| 20:39.43 | jonz | is mplayer not in apt anywhere? |
| 20:39.56 | thc | jonz: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 20:40.18 | karsten | sgeigerbot: I'm not sure I want to play jailhouse bingo... |
| 20:40.31 | jonz | thanks |
| 20:40.37 | gnomefreak | anjuta has nothing to do with kde tho :( |
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| 20:40.55 | grendal_prime | sorry SimonRaven was doing several things |
| 20:41.04 | SimonRaven | grendal_prime: np |
| 20:41.08 | grendal_prime | its about 1:45 pm here now |
| 20:41.21 | interbird | here it's 22:41 |
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| 20:41.31 | bucky | in Kalifooornia? |
| 20:41.35 | grendal_prime | yep |
| 20:41.47 | SimonRaven | grendal_prime: is/was the find running now, or like this morning? |
| 20:42.12 | grendal_prime | just now a bit about 10 min ago |
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| 20:42.36 | grendal_prime | its not running now |
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| 20:42.51 | grendal_prime | it showd up right after i exevuted the killall |
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| 20:43.17 | SimonRaven | grendal_prime: start by grepping through /etc/cron.d for 'find' ; also check cron.hourly and the system crontab, maybe some admin added an entry there (...) |
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| 20:43.39 | SimonRaven | grendal_prime: 'the killall'? *me reads scrollback* |
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| 20:43.53 | aviation | hey dudes, ive been having some problems wtih installing debian for the past few days and have been in here asking some extremely newb'ish questions. ive done so legwork and i think my questions/problems with be more clear. here goes. |
| 20:43.54 | grendal_prime | grr..have to take kids to dentist |
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| 20:44.06 | abrotman | let thier teeth rot! |
| 20:44.09 | grendal_prime | tonight when i get back i guress |
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| 20:44.30 | StanTheMan | is there a postfix IRC channel by chance? |
| 20:44.36 | Firefishe | !xmms |
| 20:44.37 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xmms is X MultiMedia System. Obtain it from http://www.xmms.org/, or screwed up because it renices to -3 automatically on debian woody, and you can't de-automate it. |
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| 20:45.03 | interbird | aviation: speak-up ! |
| 20:45.10 | abrotman | StanTheMan: yes. .. #postfix oddly enough |
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| 20:45.14 | aviation | ive been trying to use the netinstall for i386 and have been running into problems with the network card. |
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| 20:45.16 | Firefishe | #postfix |
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| 20:45.27 | Firefishe | and quite a few people in there, too ;) |
| 20:45.31 | interbird | aviation: model ? |
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| 20:46.37 | SimonRaven | grendal_prime: 'squid guard' might've spawned it, since the squid process died... *shrug*. look through the files to see what you can find (pardon the pun) |
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| 20:46.57 | aviation | i know it works because im using it right now on my windows partition. its a 3Com (3c940) linux driver 3c2000. which is not included in debian. before im prompted to choose a driver i get the following error, failure to run modprobe -v sk98lin. |
| 20:47.04 | aviation | i ran it in the console |
| 20:47.10 | aviation | and have the o/p if you want it |
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| 20:47.29 | SimonRaven | later folks. going for a wee nap |
| 20:47.43 | grendal_prime | thanks SimonRaven |
| 20:47.44 | Firefishe | sleep well Simon |
| 20:47.47 | grendal_prime | ill check it in a bit |
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| 20:48.44 | interbird | aviation: It's not a Debian issue but a kernel one |
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| 20:49.01 | bier | brb |
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| 20:49.23 | aviation | i also found documentation about this problem, but im a newb and its bit over my head, but the major reason i dont want to follow it is because i assume he's using the full install meathod, not the netinstal which im more partial too. i can link it. http://copper.matsc.kyutech.ac.jp/~yoshi/linux/sata/index_e.html |
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| 20:50.15 | bucky | aviation, i thought the sk98lin was for the marvel nic.. what do you have, an asus board with an integrated nic? |
| 20:50.51 | jasonm | bucky: thats exactly it |
| 20:51.14 | bucky | jasonm, you need a newer kernel than what's on the sarge install |
| 20:51.17 | Asmodee` | My postfix install is acting like a semi-open relay.. I can send mail to local domains without authentication but I can't send to remote domains without authentication. Is there a way to prevent all SMTP access without authentication? |
| 20:51.25 | interbird | aviation: Well, it's a way to build the kernel-module you need to load to get the card working -- I don't know about this card. |
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| 20:51.48 | jdhutchin1 | Asmodee`, yes |
| 20:52.12 | bucky | jasonm, i think the etch install will get it for you |
| 20:52.22 | jasonm | whats that |
| 20:52.32 | Asmodee` | jdhutchin1: could you point me in the right direction? |
| 20:52.44 | bucky | jasonm, a newer kernel with sk98lin |
| 20:52.53 | jasonm | where can i find this |
| 20:53.00 | bucky | debian.org |
| 20:54.04 | jdhutchin1 | Asmodee`, under 'smtpd_reciepent_restrictions', make sure you don't have 'permit_mynetworks' |
| 20:54.12 | interbird | aviation: My advise is: Download and boot Knoppix; if that works you can be sure there is a (debian) way to get it to work. |
| 20:54.18 | Asmodee` | jdhutchin1: ok thanks, i do have that line |
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| 20:55.14 | johnny_nubie_ | ok after reboot the line input began working |
| 20:55.52 | johnny_nubie_ | new issue - i've got an external usb dvd writer - how do I create a mount point for it? |
| 20:56.06 | bucky | apt-get install usbmount |
| 20:56.16 | johnny_nubie_ | thankee |
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| 20:57.44 | smacnay | Is there an xft-fonts package for Debian? |
| 20:57.45 | mhall | What is the canonical CLI FLAC file player tool? I did an apt-cache search but I did not have any lucky. |
| 20:57.50 | mhall | s/lucky/luck/g |
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| 20:58.49 | cleit0n | hi how i play one DVD backup in HD |
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| 21:01.19 | en1gma | what packages are mainly on cd2 |
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| 21:01.57 | mhall | !tell en1gma about popcon |
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| 21:04.09 | cameron | hi |
| 21:04.18 | jasonm | hey |
| 21:04.23 | cameron | whatsup |
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| 21:04.56 | johnny_nubie_ | so i've apt-get installed usbmount |
| 21:05.10 | johnny_nubie_ | then I rebooted and saw some errors fo flying by |
| 21:05.17 | Firefishe | If I want xmms to access my windows partitions as a normal user, what do I have to do with the file permissions or user groups? |
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| 21:05.44 | Firefishe | can I add xmms to the root user group? |
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| 21:06.32 | cameron | boob |
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| 21:08.06 | eric_ | heya; my root directory filled up on my server last night... how would I go about removing everything related to X to free up some space? |
| 21:08.07 | Firefishe | !permissions |
| 21:08.07 | dpkg | methinks permissions is multiple acts of permitting |
| 21:08.08 | godless | is quake4 working on debian ? (running pure64 debian now but running into problems) |
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| 21:08.26 | Firefishe | !permitting |
| 21:08.35 | sandman | E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 21:08.41 | en1gma | anyone have a link to what is on cd2? i need to know if i need to dl it |
| 21:08.41 | sandman | Anyone know why I'd get that when running apt-get update? |
| 21:08.43 | Firefishe | !file permissions |
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| 21:08.52 | fatal__ | eric_: most stuff probably depends on xlibs.. try removing that... |
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| 21:09.58 | eric_ | It insists on installing gcc 4 if I do apt-get remove. |
| 21:10.07 | eric_ | Then it complains about lack of space for that |
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| 21:11.02 | eric_ | dpkg -r complains that it can't write an exim4-config file. |
| 21:11.03 | Borg^Queen | Hi people. |
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| 21:11.25 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 21:11.25 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 21:11.33 | Borg^Queen | I'm trying to add the lines in grub so my roommate's mom can boot to win98 when she needs to. but I'm having trouble. |
| 21:11.59 | Borg^Queen | The lines I've added are as follows: |
| 21:12.10 | Borg^Queen | title Windows 98 SE |
| 21:12.12 | azeem | eric_: if your / is totally full, try to remove some big logs from /var/log e.g., if they are on the same partition |
| 21:12.17 | Borg^Queen | map (hd0) (hd1) |
| 21:12.30 | Borg^Queen | map (hd1) (hd |
| 21:12.32 | eric_ | azeem: thanx, I'll try that |
| 21:12.32 | en1gma | when installing deb does it give you a choice to what bootloader to use such as lilo |
| 21:12.37 | Borg^Queen | rootnoverify (hd1,0) |
| 21:12.45 | Borg^Queen | makeactive |
| 21:12.45 | Borg^Queen | chainloader +1 |
| 21:12.55 | azeem | en1gma: was that a question? |
| 21:13.19 | eric_ | azeem: ack; n/m, /var is on a seperate partition. |
| 21:13.25 | en1gma | yes |
| 21:14.26 | fatal__ | en1gma: boot the installer in expert mode and it'll ask you every fucking question on earth... |
| 21:14.30 | azeem | en1gma: debian-installer does grub by default, but you can install lilo if you do an expoert installation |
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| 21:14.42 | en1gma | does it use lilo also |
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| 21:14.48 | johnny_nubie_ | are we sure usbmount will mount an external dvdrw? |
| 21:15.05 | azeem | en1gma: uhm, did you read what we just wrote? |
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| 21:15.25 | vasiliyb | gents, for amd64 network image, just get the ia64, right? |
| 21:15.44 | abrotman | no |
| 21:15.46 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 21:15.46 | dpkg | methinks amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
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| 21:15.50 | abrotman | !ia64 |
| 21:15.50 | dpkg | methinks ia64 is the new Intel Architecture, "Itanium", which seems pretty cool. or ages behind rs64-II , see also http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/. |
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| 21:16.12 | en1gma | ok thanks |
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| 21:16.22 | abrotman | kill oeeinamPio |
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| 21:18.47 | vasiliyb | abrotman: thanks! i feel dumb lol |
| 21:18.55 | abrotman | !lol |
| 21:18.55 | vasiliyb | abrotman: ia64 is the intel chip, right? |
| 21:18.55 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 21:19.10 | abrotman | vasiliyb: ia64 is itanium .. unless your rig cost > 10k .. you don't have itanium |
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| 21:19.49 | vasiliyb | abrotman: lol, thats what i thought, thx |
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| 21:20.21 | abrotman | god damn bots |
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| 21:20.30 | en1gma | im on debian site but i can not see what packages just come on cd2 only. it lets you just search all packages |
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| 21:21.06 | boneski | when I boot, I see a message saying something like network/options depreciated. Is this a debian change? |
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| 21:21.09 | fatal__ | http://fjortis.info/tmp/gvm.txt |
| 21:21.19 | fatal__ | debian testing with hal from experimental.... |
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| 21:21.41 | fatal__ | apt fails to see that 0.5.4-2 >= 0.4.1, but dpkg agrees with me. |
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| 21:21.48 | fatal__ | wtf is up? |
| 21:22.18 | secher | simple question, isn't there a little gui interface with xine? |
| 21:22.25 | abrotman | fatal__: apt-get update;apt-get install gnome-volume-manager |
| 21:22.30 | Ronin | secher: sure xine-ui as i recall |
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| 21:22.45 | fatal__ | abrotman: that gives the errormessage in the url above. |
| 21:22.47 | boneski | my xine gui disappeared a while ago |
| 21:22.50 | en1gma | how can i tell what comes on cd2? i need to look at the packages that come on cd2 to see if i want to dload it |
| 21:22.52 | abrotman | fatal__: you did an apt-get update first ? |
| 21:22.55 | secher | Ronin: thought so, it's not coming up. Kk, just checkning, thanks. |
| 21:22.58 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 21:22.58 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt |
| 21:22.59 | fatal__ | abrotman: yes. |
| 21:23.05 | abrotman | fatal__: and you did an upgrade also ? |
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| 21:23.16 | fatal__ | abrotman: dist-upgrade even.... |
| 21:23.36 | abrotman | fatal__: check the BTS .. could be totally flubbed right now |
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| 21:24.06 | fatal__ | I don't have a gui ... browsing the web ain't fun.. ;) |
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| 21:24.36 | lifeengineer | hi |
| 21:24.40 | fatal__ | guess I'll have to use twm... :P |
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| 21:24.59 | abrotman | or use .. lynx/links |
| 21:25.10 | lifeengineer | is debian the more used distro as server? |
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| 21:25.23 | senecastudent | Hello everyone |
| 21:25.32 | boneski | senecastudent, hi |
| 21:25.38 | pureone | lifeengineer: check netcraft |
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| 21:25.47 | senecastudent | does anyone here know how to make a ubuntu boot diskette from windows? |
| 21:26.01 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 21:26.01 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
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| 21:26.10 | lifeengineer | hello senecastudent |
| 21:26.16 | senecastudent | my computer doesn't support booting from CD |
| 21:26.20 | lixar | exit |
| 21:26.26 | abrotman | senecastudent: ask #ubuntu |
| 21:26.31 | boneski | senecastudent, nothing in the BIOS? |
| 21:26.33 | tictac | what is xorg's equivilant to ~/.Xdefaults ? |
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| 21:26.58 | senecastudent | nothing in the BIOS |
| 21:27.01 | eeyore- | tictac: ~/.Xdefaults |
| 21:27.04 | tictac | i just upgraded to xorg (forgot to pin xserver-xfree86) and now all my defaults are gone. |
| 21:27.06 | abrotman | senecastudent: ask #ubuntu |
| 21:27.11 | senecastudent | shouldn't all boot diskettes work the same though? |
| 21:27.24 | abrotman | senecastudent: is Ubuntu spelled the same as Debian .. no .. go to #ubuntu |
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| 21:27.32 | en1gma | is testing 3.1R0a the sarge release |
| 21:27.32 | tictac | eeyore-: i still have it, it just doesnt work. |
| 21:27.39 | abrotman | !d-i en1 |
| 21:27.40 | pureone | how the hell can you install windows with no boot from cd option?... |
| 21:27.40 | dpkg | en1, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 21:27.40 | abrotman | !d-i en1gma |
| 21:27.41 | senecastudent | ubuntu is based on Debian |
| 21:27.41 | dpkg | en1gma, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 21:27.43 | tarzeau | en1gma: is that a question |
| 21:27.45 | eeyore- | tictac: "man xrdb"? |
| 21:27.46 | abrotman | senecastudent: IT IS NOT DEBIAN |
| 21:27.51 | pureone | !based on debian |
| 21:27.51 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 21:27.51 | senecastudent | it is based |
| 21:27.51 | Ronin | senecastudent: based but not debian |
| 21:27.54 | abrotman | senecastudent: IT IS NOT DEBIAN |
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| 21:28.05 | _rene_ | senecastudent: *based on* |
| 21:28.06 | abrotman | senecastudent: the BEST place for you to ask is #ubuntu |
| 21:28.08 | Ronin | senecastudent: do you go to #redhat and ask mandriva? |
| 21:28.09 | _rene_ | senecastudent: but it is *not* |
| 21:28.19 | lifeengineer | is debian more difficult to use than other distro? |
| 21:28.20 | senecastudent | I can fix the dependencies myself |
| 21:28.26 | Ronin | lifeengineer: nope not at all |
| 21:28.27 | boneski | lifeengineer, not once it's up |
| 21:28.28 | tarzeau | abrotman: but it's weekend |
| 21:28.30 | abrotman | Ronin: bad question .. who goes in #redhat :) |
| 21:28.39 | abrotman | senecastudent: it's not debian .. we can't help you install ubuntu |
| 21:28.40 | Ronin | abrotman: trick question i know |
| 21:28.43 | senecastudent | just tell me what and where to get rawrite |
| 21:28.46 | abrotman | ffs |
| 21:28.51 | tarzeau | senecastudent: ##windows |
| 21:28.53 | abrotman | senecastudent: go to #ubuntu .. ask them |
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| 21:29.01 | senecastudent | if I can't install ubuntu, I shouldn't be using it |
| 21:29.02 | Ronin | lifeengineer: the installers not as easy as say mandriva but its still easy to follow and very intutive |
| 21:29.05 | eeyore- | tictac: besides, ~/.Xdefaults are for X-toolkits-based apps, not gnome or kde |
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| 21:29.08 | abrotman | senecastudent: ASK THEM! |
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| 21:29.17 | tictac | eeyore-: i run flux. |
| 21:29.21 | abrotman | stop being so damn dense .. ask the people who made the distro you want to use |
| 21:29.22 | eeyore- | ok |
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| 21:29.38 | tictac | i wonder why it didnt load it when X started, |
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| 21:29.58 | Ronin | humm, beer or grocery shopping |
| 21:30.05 | varsendagger | guys what difference does it really make, obviously they are comming here to get information from a source that likely knows what they are talking about |
| 21:30.06 | abrotman | Ronin: take the beer to the store! |
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| 21:30.14 | abrotman | varsendagger: because it's not debian |
| 21:30.17 | Ronin | abrotman: ohh if only i could damn up tight country i live in |
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| 21:30.27 | abrotman | varsendagger: does your ford mechanic fix your chevy? |
| 21:30.35 | eeyore- | abrotman: it's like debian, only better |
| 21:30.37 | eeyore- | :-) |
| 21:30.46 | pureone | :O |
| 21:30.50 | lifeengineer | what's the most used distro in companies? |
| 21:30.56 | abrotman | distrowatch.com |
| 21:30.56 | micelan | hi, does anybody knows what must be done to grub after compiling a new kernel? |
| 21:30.58 | senecastudent | geez, why are linux zealots so denominational? |
| 21:31.06 | Ronin | lifeengineer: unfortinuatly i bet its windows :( ick |
| 21:31.18 | varsendagger | my ford mechanic knows his sh*T and i'd ask him if there was something that i wanted to know |
| 21:31.22 | abrotman | senecastudent: we're telling you the BEST place to get help |
| 21:31.25 | sussudio | !gobshite senecastudent |
| 21:31.26 | dpkg | Your mother was English, senecastudent! |
| 21:31.29 | Ronin | senecastudent: becasue we dont run ubuntu we dont know what theyve bastardized |
| 21:31.38 | boneski | Ronin, CUPS for one |
| 21:31.39 | pureone | hehe |
| 21:31.39 | Ronin | assuming i spelled that right |
| 21:31.42 | abrotman | varsendagger: assume he knew NOTHING about chevy cars |
| 21:32.23 | varsendagger | then he wouldn't exactly be a mechanic would he... i'm not sure if you know this but you just proved my point |
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| 21:32.40 | senecastudent | Ronin > that's what I call ignorance |
| 21:32.49 | abrotman | varsendagger: no .. you're being intentionally difficult |
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| 21:32.52 | lifeengineer | Ronin: i think its windows for workstations but not for servers |
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| 21:33.05 | Ronin | senecastudent: call it what you want but your onlyhope is #ubuntu |
| 21:33.15 | boneski | senecastudent, just type /join #ubuntu the experts for that are waiting there |
| 21:33.19 | abrotman | senecastudent: we're ignorant but you're too stupid to `/join #ubuntu` ??? |
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| 21:33.54 | senecastudent | I am in #ubuntu, |
| 21:33.59 | senecastudent | I've been in there for a while |
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| 21:34.15 | varsendagger | linux is linux is linux... there hsa been some bastardazaions ... of course but a lot of people in this room typically have a lot of knowledge, that there may not be anybody in #ubuntu who knows anything |
| 21:34.16 | senecastudent | It was only because no one knew the answer that I came here |
| 21:34.25 | varsendagger | huh????? |
| 21:34.34 | sussudio | kick time |
| 21:34.41 | abrotman | senecastudent: all you need is rawrite? .. google can't help you either? |
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| 21:34.59 | varsendagger | ok.... i'll be nice now |
| 21:35.10 | boneski | trouble is ubuntu do their own thing. I wasted a lot of time trying to support someone with CUPS because ubuntu removed the web front end |
| 21:35.17 | senecastudent | google got too much junk before I can find any useful information |
| 21:35.31 | Ronin | senecastudent: then learn how to search properly |
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| 21:35.37 | abrotman | "download rawrite" |
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| 21:35.59 | rking | is etch having known X segfaultness right now? |
| 21:36.02 | senecastudent | try and search for anything with a floppy and you end up with a hundred articles with ("LiveCD like a boot diskette") |
| 21:36.08 | rking | (i'm experiencing troubles, but i haven't yet debugged everything) |
| 21:36.47 | Ronin | nice to see nothing much changed while my system was down this week, pathetic :) |
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| 21:36.57 | takatumi | senecastudent: search term rawrite.exe, hit I'm feeling lucky. |
| 21:37.02 | varsendagger | there is a lot of truth in not standing behind bastardizations... i tried to use Xandros for a long time... and it always ended up being messy |
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| 21:37.19 | abrotman | do you even know if ubuntu has boot floppies? |
| 21:37.27 | Ronin | lifeengineer: cant say, i know at work we run a mix of 2k and unix servers |
| 21:37.30 | senecastudent | I got rawrite, but don't I need the image for the boot floppies? |
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| 21:37.41 | senecastudent | boot floppies are generic as far as I know |
| 21:37.45 | tremor | uh, an exe .. maybe freshmeat.net can help |
| 21:37.51 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 21:37.53 | monster | I have one realease of ubuntu and it havent |
| 21:38.10 | abrotman | senecastudent: WHICH IS WHY YOU HAVE TO ASK #ubuntu .. only they know if they have boot floppies |
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| 21:38.42 | monster | ubuntu is going to leave debian tree |
| 21:38.48 | abrotman | so? |
| 21:38.51 | Ronin | monster: we should be so lucky |
| 21:38.53 | shad0wcat | who cares? |
| 21:39.00 | monster | so i dont use it anymore |
| 21:39.00 | oklinux | ubuntu is gnome |
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| 21:39.20 | shad0wcat | ubuntu never used the debian tree to begin with |
| 21:39.21 | senecastudent | ubuntu is just debian but with a much faster release cycle from a lot of reviews I read |
| 21:39.22 | abrotman | i see stupid people .. everywhere |
| 21:39.27 | boneski | senecastudent, why don't you install debian and change sources to ubuntu? |
| 21:39.34 | abrotman | he's gone |
| 21:39.36 | Ronin | boneski: thats nasty |
| 21:39.38 | sussudio | stupid people who need to be forcefully ejected from this channel |
| 21:39.41 | boneski | senecastudent, use debian Sid |
| 21:39.42 | senecastudent | because debian break dependencies that way |
| 21:39.44 | abrotman | sussudio: find an op .. i dare you! |
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| 21:39.55 | abrotman | oh .. it hoguht he was |
| 21:40.01 | NewIRC | hello again |
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| 21:40.06 | senecastudent | I know, I'm torrenting a debian DVD right now |
| 21:40.09 | abrotman | senecastudent: they all lied .. ubuntu is not debian |
| 21:40.17 | shad0wcat | bah |
| 21:40.18 | NewIRC | someone know a good page to make broadband speed test ? |
| 21:40.20 | senecastudent | just give me a couple of weeks for it to download over 56k |
| 21:40.21 | abrotman | sussudio: kill! |
| 21:40.22 | Ronin | senecastudent: a whole dvd? netinstall grasshopper netinstall |
| 21:40.27 | boneski | anyone having a beer? |
| 21:40.27 | shad0wcat | you don't need the debian dvd to install debian |
| 21:40.30 | senecastudent | not quite |
| 21:40.30 | Ronin | ahh 56k? sucks to be you |
| 21:40.41 | monster | yes they are lieing |
| 21:40.46 | shad0wcat | there's no way he can run anything but stable on 56k |
| 21:40.57 | shad0wcat | most sid upgrades are in the 20-30mb range |
| 21:41.01 | shad0wcat | and that's daily |
| 21:41.04 | NewIRC | you only need a knoppix 4.0.2 live cd and make a install hd and you have debian |
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| 21:41.12 | shad0wcat | no way he can spend five hours downloading that stuff every day |
| 21:41.13 | Ronin | NewIRC: nope, it wont be debian then |
| 21:41.15 | boneski | NewIRC, he can't boot from CD |
| 21:41.24 | shad0wcat | knoppix != debian |
| 21:41.26 | rking | what's the easy way to install all packages aptitude has "held back"? |
| 21:41.30 | shad0wcat | the knoppix kernel is about 100% more bloated |
| 21:41.36 | senecastudent | all linuxes are the same |
| 21:41.37 | johnny_nubie_ | whats the url for pasting a large chunk of text? |
| 21:41.37 | shad0wcat | for one |
| 21:41.52 | shad0wcat | that must be the qoute of the week |
| 21:41.52 | boneski | senecastudent, you're an expert now? |
| 21:41.53 | NewIRC | knoppix is not debian ? |
| 21:41.55 | takatumi | johnny_nubie_: /msg dpkg paster |
| 21:41.57 | Ronin | NewIRC: nope |
| 21:41.58 | senecastudent | as long they have bash, csh, ksh, or zsh, they're the same |
| 21:42.00 | shad0wcat | shows how much you know senecastudent |
| 21:42.00 | NewIRC | umm |
| 21:42.04 | boneski | LOL |
| 21:42.04 | shad0wcat | aka NOTHING |
| 21:42.12 | shad0wcat | Zilch |
| 21:42.26 | sussudio | ... |
| 21:42.31 | NewIRC | and why when i do a knoppix install hd everything change to debian ? |
| 21:42.35 | shad0wcat | !tell NewIRC about based on debian |
| 21:42.43 | tarzeau | NewIRC: NO |
| 21:42.45 | senecastudent | it's not like there's anything else popular except the X server for a GUI |
| 21:42.47 | dondelelcaro | NewIRC: it doesn't; it's still not equivalent to a real Debian install. |
| 21:42.59 | boneski | NewIRC, knoppix use packages before they're in debs. They created a big problem with X upgrades last year |
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| 21:43.10 | NewIRC | oh ic |
| 21:43.13 | Ronin | heh arguing on irc is like running in the special olypmics i swear to god |
| 21:43.18 | Snuffkin | Hi. |
| 21:43.18 | shad0wcat | senecastudent: every linux distribution is different |
| 21:43.29 | shad0wcat | every linux distro even uses their own version of the kernel sources |
| 21:43.34 | senecastudent | linuxes are the same in the sense that humans and elephants and dogs are the same |
| 21:43.36 | shad0wcat | and customized versions of code |
| 21:43.38 | shad0wcat | from there on up |
| 21:43.40 | OldIRC | yes it's windows |
| 21:43.40 | NewIRC | so which one is a good debian distro ? |
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| 21:43.43 | senecastudent | we are all humans |
| 21:43.49 | Ronin | senecastudent: so your saying not at all then |
| 21:43.49 | senecastudent | sorry animals |
| 21:43.50 | OldIRC | it;s NOT |
| 21:43.50 | tarzeau | NewIRC: www.debian.org |
| 21:43.51 | Octalthorpe | I've got a couple of Dell GX260s with Intel 82845G video cards in them; xorg seems to hang on logout (using the newest xserver-xorg from Debian Experimental, which is 6.8.99.900). I can switch away to a VT at this point. If, instead, I kill it with ctrl-alt-backspace, it stays at a black screen, but I can no longer move away to a VT. |
| 21:43.51 | johnny_nubie_ | can someone interpret this problem with usbmount and ext dvdrw? http://channels.debian.net/paste/940 |
| 21:43.54 | NewIRC | ok |
| 21:43.55 | shad0wcat | senecastudent: stop trolling |
| 21:43.55 | OldIRC | ups hehe |
| 21:43.55 | dondelelcaro | NewIRC: Debian is a good Debian distribution. |
| 21:43.56 | meff | is there a guide or anything on remastering a debian installation cd? i have a etch snapshot cd, but i also need to patch in support for newer sk98lin drivers and rebuild the kernel it uses.. ideas? |
| 21:43.57 | boneski | WTF? |
| 21:43.58 | senecastudent | were still animals |
| 21:44.02 | NewIRC | heheh eok |
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| 21:44.06 | NewIRC | and come in live cd? |
| 21:44.06 | anjumbutt | hi |
| 21:44.07 | Snuffkin | I'm trying to find apxs2, I have apache2 installed, but it's nowhere to be found. ..? |
| 21:44.13 | tarzeau | senecastudent: talk for yourself |
| 21:44.17 | tarzeau | NewIRC: no |
| 21:44.19 | Ronin | senecastudent: yes but were not dogs or cats so we dont work like they do, ubuntu is linux but not debian so etc. |
| 21:44.20 | shad0wcat | senecastudent: well you must be the retarded among us then |
| 21:44.24 | shad0wcat | retard* |
| 21:44.31 | anjumbutt | i would like to know about Progeny Componentized Linux |
| 21:44.33 | shad0wcat | ubuntu is NOT debian |
| 21:44.36 | dondelelcaro | shad0wcat: just use /ignore already; baiting people like that is useless. |
| 21:44.39 | tarzeau | anjumbutt: #progeny |
| 21:44.49 | shad0wcat | heh |
| 21:44.54 | shad0wcat | someone just +q him |
| 21:44.56 | NewIRC | ubuntu is gentoo ? |
| 21:44.57 | senecastudent | well if you put it that way, I bet everyone has an install of Debian that's different |
| 21:45.00 | Ronin | there thats better, helps to spell /ignore correctly |
| 21:45.05 | Ronin | NewIRC: stop it |
| 21:45.11 | senecastudent | therefore, my debian != your debian |
| 21:45.11 | tarzeau | meff: yeahuse netboot ? |
| 21:45.14 | takatumi | meff: /msg dpkg custom d-i |
| 21:45.14 | OldIRC | senecastudent: if you want to use ubuntu because it easier - dont , it isn't |
| 21:45.22 | shad0wcat | sigh |
| 21:45.31 | senecastudent | no my dad uses debian because it's the only thing he knows |
| 21:45.34 | shad0wcat | some people |
| 21:45.35 | tarzeau | senecastudent: no |
| 21:45.37 | meff | takatumi: thx much |
| 21:45.42 | senecastudent | I use knoppix |
| 21:45.47 | OldIRC | senecastudent: and many packages will not run and will be more that won't run |
| 21:45.47 | senecastudent | I can't afford a hard drive |
| 21:45.47 | tarzeau | senecastudent: #knoppix |
| 21:45.50 | senecastudent | on myc omputer |
| 21:46.02 | dondelelcaro | senecastudent: that's great, it's totally OT here. Please take it elsewhere. |
| 21:46.02 | error403 | I have a process that refuses to die... is there anything more explicit than 'kill -KILL <pid>' to get rid of it? |
| 21:46.08 | NewIRC | so ok , are three based of linux, debian , gentoo and wich more? |
| 21:46.09 | shad0wcat | personally I Could care less about other .deb based distros |
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| 21:46.14 | tarzeau | error403: no |
| 21:46.14 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 21:46.22 | shad0wcat | as long as they don't ask about it in here |
| 21:46.25 | senecastudent | what's OT is the whole distro A != distro B |
| 21:46.28 | Ronin | NewIRC: probibly a lot more but google can tell you that |
| 21:46.30 | dondelelcaro | NewIRC: other distributions are OT here. Ask in #linux or something else. |
| 21:46.34 | error403 | tarzeau, any ideas then? |
| 21:46.46 | tarzeau | error403: what das ps -auxwww say about it? |
| 21:46.54 | tarzeau | s/das/does/ |
| 21:47.25 | anjumbutt | ok thanks |
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| 21:47.45 | ecobit | anyone here ever made a .deb from postfix source? |
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| 21:47.52 | azeem | anjumbutt: I think there is a special chan for it, like #compenentizedlinux |
| 21:47.54 | johnny_nubie_ | anyone - ? - usbmount external dvdrw http://channels.debian.net/paste/940 |
| 21:47.59 | azeem | but I don't think the name is that long |
| 21:48.04 | anjumbutt | but i need to know if all this work by progeny will be used by debian? |
| 21:48.07 | dondelelcaro | ecobit: yes, just use the pre-debianized package sources. |
| 21:48.09 | tarzeau | ecobit: why? |
| 21:48.17 | azeem | anjumbutt: they have not submitted it, AFAIK |
| 21:48.18 | shad0wcat | sigh |
| 21:48.21 | shad0wcat | again |
| 21:48.27 | shad0wcat | Progeny is NOT covered here |
| 21:48.35 | anjumbutt | ok |
| 21:48.37 | shad0wcat | if you want to ask questions about progeny |
| 21:48.39 | shad0wcat | goto #progeny |
| 21:48.42 | anjumbutt | thanks anyway |
| 21:48.47 | dondelelcaro | anjumbutt: progeny is a totally separate entity. If a developer packages it, and uploads it to Debian, it will end up in Debian. |
| 21:48.52 | varsendagger | how do i uninstall glib |
| 21:48.57 | azeem | anjumbutt: some of them work from within Debian to make us LSB compliant, etc. |
| 21:48.58 | shad0wcat | now does anyone havea question about DEBIAN and not some derivative? |
| 21:49.03 | Snuffkin | apxs2 is not to be found on my system. I have apache2 installed. ...? |
| 21:49.10 | dondelelcaro | shad0wcat: just use /ignore if you've got a problem with someone's questions which are actually remotely OT. You've mentioned it once, if that's not enough, just use /ignore. |
| 21:49.11 | varsendagger | --- i am using debian |
| 21:49.23 | senecastudent | alright you guys win, I'll rephrase my question |
| 21:49.25 | boneski | shad0wcat, yes, what's that network/options depreciated message I've started seeing |
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| 21:49.33 | albo | i changed /etc/timezone, restarted ntpdate but my date still reflects old timezone |
| 21:49.34 | senecastudent | how do you make a debian boot diskette from windows? |
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| 21:49.42 | boneski | senecastudent, cunning! |
| 21:49.44 | ecliptik | is there a way to do say "touch FileName_[a-z]" and have it create files incrementing from a to z? |
| 21:49.44 | shad0wcat | boneski: the one about /etc/networking/options |
| 21:49.46 | shad0wcat | ? |
| 21:49.49 | dondelelcaro | senecastudent: read the install guide; use rawrite. |
| 21:49.51 | ecobit | well, if i just compile the source normally, it compiles fine. but when i dpkg-buildpackage... it as the end of the compile it asks questions questions about install pahs, even though i supplied arguments to all the DDEF variables in debian/rules |
| 21:49.53 | tarzeau | senecastudent: using rawrite |
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| 21:49.54 | boneski | yes that's it |
| 21:50.05 | varsendagger | how do i uninstalll glib |
| 21:50.13 | tarzeau | varsendagger: apt-get remove packagename |
| 21:50.18 | shad0wcat | boneski: I guess they changed the config file structure of the net-base package again |
| 21:50.20 | dondelelcaro | varsendagger: 1) don't repeat; 2) you don't if some package depends on it. |
| 21:50.24 | senecastudent | where can I find the image to use for rawrite to boot my debian diskette? |
| 21:50.28 | error404 | senecastudent: I'm afraid you cant |
| 21:50.29 | senecastudent | ;) |
| 21:50.30 | ecobit | s/pahs/paths |
| 21:50.31 | boneski | nothing in /var/log/messages |
| 21:50.35 | tarzeau | senecastudent: on the cd |
| 21:50.38 | dondelelcaro | senecastudent: again, see the install guide. It is explained there. |
| 21:50.43 | shad0wcat | boneski: it doesn't affect my system's operation |
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| 21:50.47 | shad0wcat | so I leave it alone |
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| 21:50.57 | boneski | k, I wait for breakage. thx |
| 21:51.02 | senecastudent | darn it, 9 more days before I can burn my disc |
| 21:51.03 | widrone-work | senecastudent: Install guide took some time to write for people you know, please read it if you plan to install. |
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| 21:51.31 | shad0wcat | you know senecastudent |
| 21:51.34 | shad0wcat | you could just order the dvd |
| 21:51.35 | boneski | senecastudent, where are you? |
| 21:51.40 | WSSoxWin | ##cogent has information on the latest net outage - Debian welcome - I own the channel and I am running Sarge Distro |
| 21:51.43 | senecastudent | near toronto |
| 21:51.46 | ecobit | dondelelcaro, tarzeau: at the end of dpkg-buildpackage postfix asks all these questions about install paths, even though i supplied DDEB arguments to make in debian/rules |
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| 21:51.59 | ecobit | s/DDEB/DDEF |
| 21:51.59 | Ronin | senecastudent: and on dialup? |
| 21:52.03 | boneski | senecastudent, heck, point me to what you're downloading and I'll mail you a disk |
| 21:52.07 | senecastudent | yeah |
| 21:52.08 | shad0wcat | ecobit: I would say read the maintainers manual |
| 21:52.13 | senecastudent | I got free internet account |
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| 21:52.36 | senecastudent | right now I'm on a school computer though |
| 21:52.41 | senecastudent | windows, |
| 21:52.48 | albo | what is this: io:/home/web# hwclock --set --date="10/21/05 15:52:21" |
| 21:52.48 | albo | io:/home/web# date |
| 21:52.49 | albo | Fri Oct 21 16:52:34 CDT 2005 |
| 21:52.51 | dondelelcaro | ecobit: give us the output... |
| 21:52.52 | senecastudent | I try to install linux when the admins weren't looking |
| 21:52.53 | Snuffkin | senecastudent, you shouldn't be in here at a school computer? |
| 21:52.56 | error404 | senecastudent: what's the speed? |
| 21:53.01 | oklinux | fdisk dondelelcare |
| 21:53.12 | tarzeau | albo: heh that's a common hostname you have |
| 21:53.14 | oklinux | sorry |
| 21:53.15 | dondelelcaro | albo: use date --set, the hwclock isn't the system clock. |
| 21:53.18 | boneski | hey, roadrunner recently added 10 and 15 mbps service in my area |
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| 21:53.19 | senecastudent | my computer is a PPC 1.2 ghz |
| 21:53.26 | senecastudent | 512 mb ram |
| 21:53.27 | oklinux | fdisk senecastudent |
| 21:53.28 | error404 | senecastudent: can;t you download the cd image |
| 21:53.37 | error404 | i meant the link speed |
| 21:53.41 | shad0wcat | sigh |
| 21:53.50 | ecobit | dondelelcaro: "Please specify the prefix for installed file names. blah blah blah. it asks me to manually specify all these default paths, which i already supplied via DDEF arguments to make in debian/rules |
| 21:54.13 | senecastudent | CDs are for grandpas |
| 21:54.13 | dondelelcaro | ecobit: why aren't you starting from the already debianized postfix packages? You probably forgot to specify --prefix or similar. |
| 21:54.30 | meff | is there a way to start the d-i cd from another bootable linux cd? |
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| 21:54.36 | boneski | senecastudent, what are you downloading, I'll mail the disk |
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| 21:54.52 | error404 | I installed debian testing lately on comp with aic7xxx scsi and system want to reinstall e2fsprogs all the time |
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| 21:55.09 | error404 | an when i reinstall the system goes fuck |
| 21:55.10 | ecobit | dondelelcaro: anyhow, if i answer all the questions, it then fails with "postfix-install: Error: "postfix" needs an entry in the passwd file." i am building it in a sarge-chroot. could that be the problem? |
| 21:55.20 | shad0wcat | error404: how did you install testing? |
| 21:55.26 | error404 | from iso |
| 21:55.34 | error404 | from www.debian.org |
| 21:55.41 | shad0wcat | please don't tell me you used a daily installer image |
| 21:56.01 | error404 | aha |
| 21:56.04 | varsendagger | ok the real question i have is i just installd glib -2.8 now with the other things that i tried to install it said that it could only find 2.6 |
| 21:56.14 | varsendagger | it mentioed somethng ablut /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 21:56.14 | senecastudent | boneski > I ain't giving away my address |
| 21:56.16 | error404 | yes i did :) |
| 21:56.24 | shad0wcat | error404: crazy fool |
| 21:56.31 | error404 | :P |
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| 21:56.38 | senecastudent | I'm a tinfoil hat wearer |
| 21:56.46 | shad0wcat | go download the stable image, and then upgrade to testing |
| 21:56.52 | boneski | senecastudent, fine. I was offering to send you a disk for free. |
| 21:56.53 | shad0wcat | using daily install images is asking for trouble |
| 21:57.06 | error404 | yes its not so pretty as you say |
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| 21:57.21 | senecastudent | boneski > or planing to crash a jet into my house |
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| 21:57.27 | error404 | i have scsi and in stable there is no aic7xxx module |
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| 21:57.34 | senecastudent | boneski > you can't say it's never happened now |
| 21:57.37 | boneski | senecastudent, oh shit, you're right. I happen to have some spare |
| 21:57.37 | shad0wcat | error404: sucks to be you |
| 21:57.37 | error403 | tarzeau, ps -aux | grep wineserver gives me 'alan 9242 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z 22:42 0:00 [wineserver] <defunct>' |
| 21:57.45 | error404 | how can i get it to diskette? |
| 21:57.46 | ecobit | i guess i can just add a postfix user on the build machine... |
| 21:57.58 | error404 | just copy from installes system ?? |
| 21:58.07 | shad0wcat | christ |
| 21:58.09 | Ronin | senecastudent: wow ease up on the meds |
| 21:58.09 | Lanz | Hey guys, how can I make all the keys on my keyboard work? I remember creating a shell script that did it, and using xev... |
| 21:58.15 | tarzeau | error403: you see the defunct/Z(ombie)? |
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| 21:58.17 | shad0wcat | error403, error404, please choose better nicknames |
| 21:58.22 | shad0wcat | you guys confuse me :P |
| 21:58.23 | error404 | installed* |
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| 21:58.36 | tarzeau | error403: try man ps |
| 21:58.39 | shad0wcat | monster: much better :P |
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| 21:58.39 | error403 | shad0wcat, ? I have had mine for over a year, with no complaints.... |
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| 21:58.43 | monster | yes it's me :) |
| 21:58.53 | shad0wcat | error403: ya but there were two of you |
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| 21:58.57 | shad0wcat | 403 and 404 |
| 21:59.02 | shad0wcat | drives nick completion crazy |
| 21:59.09 | monster | I had mine for over half an hpur without complaints |
| 21:59.12 | senecastudent | the debian install guide doesn't give you the location of the floppy images |
| 21:59.18 | tarzeau | shad0wcat and Shadowcat is worse too |
| 21:59.26 | senecastudent | it just mentions using: $ dd if=filename of=/dev/fd0 bs=1024 conv=sync ; sync |
| 21:59.26 | shad0wcat | tarzeau: they're both me |
| 21:59.26 | tarzeau | senecastudent: it's on the CDs |
| 21:59.35 | shad0wcat | I don't see why that should cause a problem |
| 21:59.41 | shad0wcat | Shadowcat is another box of mine |
| 21:59.48 | senecastudent | tarzeau > or the DVD if you're not a grandfather |
| 21:59.52 | tarzeau | shad0wcat: you can't use the same nick from both boxes? |
| 22:00.03 | monster | so what about this aic7xxx module? |
| 22:00.05 | shad0wcat | tarzeau: I don't feel like vncing all the time no |
| 22:00.05 | tarzeau | senecastudent: whatever |
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| 22:00.13 | tarzeau | shad0wcat: you can use GNU screen |
| 22:00.23 | shad0wcat | plus |
| 22:00.26 | shad0wcat | this is a windblows box |
| 22:00.28 | senecastudent | go back to your a.m. radio and broadcast television |
| 22:00.29 | widrone-work | shad0wcat: screen and irssi are your friends |
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| 22:00.57 | ultraviolet16 | anyone know how to make flash in firefox conditional.. like on my say? |
| 22:00.57 | shad0wcat | widrone-work: I know how to use screen |
| 22:01.03 | shad0wcat | I choose not to use it right now though |
| 22:01.11 | boneski | senecastudent, why don't you install cygwin on the doze box? |
| 22:01.12 | shad0wcat | that client's on a vnc server anyway |
| 22:01.17 | shad0wcat | I can vnc in anytime I want |
| 22:01.18 | sussudio | you don't need screen with irssi... you can load an irc proxy with it |
| 22:01.23 | senecastudent | boneski > school computer |
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| 22:01.43 | Snuffkin | senecastudent, doesn't your school have rules? |
| 22:01.49 | monster | boneski <= school computer , i think |
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| 22:01.52 | senecastudent | and I did manage to get knoppix booted when the admins weren't looking |
| 22:01.54 | monster | sorry >= |
| 22:02.00 | boneski | heh |
| 22:02.01 | shad0wcat | you know |
| 22:02.06 | ecobit | dondelelcaro, tarzeau: reason i am building my own is, debian package install postfix in a chroot and changes things from non-standard install, therefore i cannot rely on upstream (only) docs for somethings, like getting sasl auth to work |
| 22:02.06 | senecastudent | school rules aren't physic's laws |
| 22:02.06 | Snuffkin | senecaststudent; what school |
| 22:02.08 | shad0wcat | you shouldn't be installing stuff on a school box |
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| 22:02.18 | error403 | tarzeau, I taken a look, and it says basically the process has been killed, but the parent process hasnt dealt with it at all - the parent is another wineserver process, running normally... Yet i cant kill the parent process either... |
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| 22:02.21 | Snuffkin | no, but why should we help you break those rules? |
| 22:02.24 | senecastudent | one that's failing me |
| 22:02.29 | shad0wcat | senecastudent: no but they can bar you from ever using the machines again |
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| 22:02.35 | ultraviolet16 | sorry not sure if i pasted too quickly.. but I am running firefox and sometimes I don't want it to load certain flash elements.. how can I make that conditional? |
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| 22:02.41 | shad0wcat | or charge you with damaging of school property |
| 22:02.43 | shad0wcat | either way |
| 22:02.52 | senecastudent | shad0wcat > I'll go exploit an internet cafe |
| 22:02.55 | ecobit | dondelelcaro, tarzeau: and the maintainer includes the upstream docs with his package but they are not all relevant anymore because of the chroot, etc. which is misleading |
| 22:03.03 | shad0wcat | senecastudent: do whatever you want |
| 22:03.04 | Snuffkin | senecastudent, really, what school? |
| 22:03.07 | shad0wcat | just don't ask us to help you |
| 22:03.17 | senecastudent | Snuffkin > guess |
| 22:03.30 | senecastudent | Snuffkin > read: screenname |
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| 22:03.41 | monster | senecastudent: ypu meant explode? |
| 22:03.42 | Snuffkin | heh. do the admins there have a clue? |
| 22:03.56 | error403 | tarzeau, actually the parent is 'Ts' - stopped, and 'session leader', whatever that is... |
| 22:04.22 | senecastudent | Snuffkin > I'm on academic probation for some reason |
| 22:04.28 | Ronin | cant imagine why |
| 22:04.30 | senecastudent | Snuffkin > so I guess they're doing their job |
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| 22:04.45 | monster | shad0wcat: where i can get the module for early loading module from disk in my stable installation? |
| 22:05.04 | shad0wcat | you can't |
| 22:05.11 | shad0wcat | you have to build a custom cd |
| 22:05.21 | shad0wcat | I did to get resier4 on the root partition |
| 22:05.23 | monster | oh man |
| 22:05.41 | woodland | hi |
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| 22:06.08 | kanzure | I just connected my new mp3 player into box via usb, how do I browse the filesystem of the mp3 player? |
| 22:06.31 | senecastudent | kanzure > df |
| 22:06.36 | senecastudent | sorry, mount |
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| 22:06.48 | senecastudent | if it automounted |
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| 22:07.04 | shad0wcat | it isn't auto mounted |
| 22:07.16 | automounter | somebody called me? |
| 22:07.22 | lifeengineer | hello everyone |
| 22:07.33 | shad0wcat | wat |
| 22:07.35 | shad0wcat | wait |
| 22:07.39 | lifeengineer | please what's the latest stable release? |
| 22:07.41 | shad0wcat | what's that mode that stops nick changes |
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| 22:07.44 | shad0wcat | !sarge |
| 22:07.44 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 22:07.48 | automounter | mount lifeengineer #debian |
| 22:08.51 | Asmodee` | is there such thing as an apt-get cache or something like this? i want to setup a system that will act as a proxy and save only the packages that i actually use. |
| 22:09.04 | jeff01 | anyone want to help with a HD? i bought an 80gig, and had it on an old machine that couldnt recognize it as 80 gig, but only as 33. now, ive moved it to a much newer machine, but it wont be recognized as 80 |
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| 22:09.13 | ellobo | hi |
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| 22:09.35 | Asmodee` | jeff01: try to do a bios update, but i suspect that linux will see it as the full size even though the bios does not |
| 22:09.44 | automounter | Asmodee`: yes there is |
| 22:10.05 | automounter | apt-get clean |
| 22:10.07 | datallah | jeff01: it is probably just partitioned to 33 gig |
| 22:10.27 | jeff01 | datallah: no, i repartitioned and it maxes out at 33 |
| 22:10.38 | ellobo | since my last update/upgrade the ipw2100 driver stoped working ... dmesg says : "ipw2100: eth1: Firmware 'ipw2100-1.3.fw' not available or load failed." but i have the *.fw files in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/. Question is: where is the driver looking for the files ? Am i missing something here ? |
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| 22:10.49 | Drune | hi guys. |
| 22:10.52 | jeff01 | Asmodee: the machine that it is on now is more than new enough to recognize it |
| 22:11.22 | jeff01 | is there a way to, like, flash the drive4 and completely erase everything? |
| 22:11.37 | Drune | i need a help!! I've deleted /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd after a (BAD) hacking on it...There's some way to get it back? |
| 22:11.43 | Asmodee` | automounter: no thats not what i mean.. i mean a seperate machine that will store these packages whenever i do apt-get install. i have several computers that im doing lots of tests with and i would like to have an apt repository on my local network, but i dont have enough disk space to download all 10 cds. i also dont want to manually have to copy the packages anytime i want to do an apt-get install to add osmething new |
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| 22:11.59 | ellobo | Drune: apt-get remove --purge... apt-get install ? :) |
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| 22:12.18 | automounter | Asmodee`: make a mirror |
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| 22:12.20 | Drune | ellobo, well doesnt work here.. |
| 22:12.23 | buu | This is more of a code question, but is there any good way for an X window manager to associate the X windows a process creates with the process itself, with out relying ont he process setting resource flags? |
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| 22:12.52 | Asmodee` | well you're completley missing the point. i only want my 'mirror' to store the packages that i *use* and i want it to store them automatically, like a http caching server would. only stores webpages that are actually requested |
| 22:13.23 | Drune | ellobo, wow worked, |
| 22:13.23 | automounter | Asmodee`: yopu dont need to save every package but you can save all form var/cache/apt |
| 22:13.34 | ellobo | Drune: of course it works :) |
| 22:13.38 | Drune | after the --purge |
| 22:13.53 | automounter | hmm |
| 22:13.59 | senecastudent | there's always something I haven't understood, |
| 22:14.10 | ellobo | where do you put the *.fw files fdr ipw2100 in debian with hotplug ? |
| 22:14.16 | senecastudent | does a reverse proxy store external or internal documents? |
| 22:15.02 | Asmodee` | automounter: well idealy what would happen is that any computer on my network would ONLY contain my apt server in their sources.list, but my apt server would contain the actual locations in its sources.list. now if a package is requested on a client machine that doesnt exist on my apt server the apt server would automatically download it and provide it |
| 22:15.03 | senecastudent | of course external being the WAN and internal, LAN |
| 22:15.11 | Asmodee` | if something like this doesnt exist perhaps i should make one |
| 22:15.28 | Asmodee` | i think it would be useful to some people |
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| 22:15.34 | woodland | i dont have dir /etc/modules becuase i want to access it to remove OSS as per instructions given at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 22:15.48 | automounter | Asmodee`: sorry I must to go to bed |
| 22:16.23 | Loevborg | Hello. Does anyone know a way to find out my public WAN IP address from the command line when I'm behind a nat router? (ifconfig only tells me my lan IP address) |
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| 22:17.14 | woodland | why i dont have /etc/modules |
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| 22:17.45 | azeem | woodland: that article talks about removing the module from /etc/modules. If you do not have that file, you can skip that |
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| 22:18.12 | antgel | ok. end of tether. i know there's not many kde users here, but... |
| 22:18.18 | woodland | azeem, i have OSS, and i want to remove it and install ALSA |
| 22:18.26 | azeem | woodland: I understand that |
| 22:18.37 | senecastudent | yes! I got ubuntu installed |
| 22:18.44 | senecastudent | I mean debian testing |
| 22:18.51 | sussudio | bugger off |
| 22:18.54 | antgel | installed a kubuntu box for my parents. too many crashes for my liking. then again i'm spoilt with debian /windowmake :) |
| 22:18.55 | Snuffkin | hey senecastudent, what's your email |
| 22:18.57 | azeem | senecastudent: please stop trolling |
| 22:19.02 | woodland | azeem, so should i follow other steps in that article for sarge |
| 22:19.07 | azeem | woodland: I guess |
| 22:19.14 | woodland | azeem, ok |
| 22:19.24 | antgel | any kde users here know if this flakiness is a *kubuntu* thing, or a *kde* thing? |
| 22:19.37 | azeem | antgel: ask in #ubuntu ;) |
| 22:19.40 | Asmodee` | its an xwindows thing |
| 22:19.45 | antgel | i might install sarge/kde for them if it's the former |
| 22:20.00 | |XO| | the first debian cd is istill the only one needed for a barebone system install right? |
| 22:20.00 | azeem | never tried either |
| 22:20.07 | azeem | |XO|: yes |
| 22:20.24 | azeem | |XO|: you can also use a netinst ISO for more barebonedness |
| 22:20.36 | antgel | azeem: *heh* i was impresses with kubuntu's polish, then i started using it and puked. but as i said, might be kde thing. |
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| 22:21.40 | senecastudent | why do people like GUIs so much? |
| 22:22.02 | Snuffkin | senecastudent; What's your e-mail? |
| 22:22.22 | senecastudent | Snuffkin > bill.gates@microsoft.com |
| 22:22.52 | woodland | azeem, are there any advantages of alsa over oss |
| 22:22.59 | Snuffkin | No, I don't think so.. forget it. |
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| 22:23.11 | azeem | woodland: alsa is the future, oss is the past |
| 22:23.27 | woodland | azeem, ok |
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| 22:24.01 | bgat | I'm building some code (qt), and I keep getting this: |
| 22:24.03 | ChrisBradley | ##cogent and ##netstatus are covering the current outages - in topics |
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| 22:24.08 | bgat | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:24.19 | bgat | anyone have any idea where XF86VidModeQueryVersion is? |
| 22:24.25 | antgel | is that why it's so quiet in here? |
| 22:24.26 | bgat | this is in testing |
| 22:25.19 | antgel | bgat: testing uese xorg, not xf86. however this is just a guess and hence should be taked with a pinch of salt |
| 22:25.30 | ulitz | if I have linux with grub installed and I want to put xp on... will it write over the mbr? |
| 22:25.37 | azeem | I don't think they renamed all the methods |
| 22:25.47 | antgel | ulitz: yes and it's nothing to do with debian |
| 22:25.52 | azeem | at least it didn't look like it when I took a cursory glance at the code a while ago |
| 22:26.02 | antgel | azeem: that's why my comment was guarded :) |
| 22:26.16 | azeem | yeah, I'm not sure either |
| 22:26.20 | bgat | I wonder if I should build up a stable chroot and try it there... |
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| 22:26.46 | azeem | bgat: or oldstable, if you really want to compile Qt-2.3.2 |
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| 22:27.05 | azeem | oh well, stable sounds reasonable for now |
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| 22:28.03 | ulitz | antgel: well if its debian installed on the other hd.. |
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| 22:28.24 | dondelelcaro | ulitz: yes, so have a debian boot disk, and then resetup grub when it does so. |
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| 22:28.44 | antgel | ulitz: and it it? :) |
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| 22:29.12 | ulitz | ok thanks dondelelccaro |
| 22:29.24 | ulitz | antgel: of course.. what would I be using fedora? |
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| 22:33.02 | Drune | guys. |
| 22:33.11 | Drune | i need to enable virtual users in pure-ftpd |
| 22:33.19 | Drune | there's a debian way to do that? |
| 22:34.09 | Drune | in manual way i need something like this in pure-ftpd command: -lpuredb:/etc/pureftpd.pdb |
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| 22:34.44 | sly007 | Is anyone here geek enough to tell me how to strip all the lines in a file which are between a `#ifdef blablabla' and `#endif /* blablabla*/' using awk (or sed)? |
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| 22:35.32 | varsendagger | hey guys .. youre never going to guess what happend... i needed to find out how to install GLIB and the question that i had was in the first to lines of the INSTALL readme |
| 22:35.38 | varsendagger | it blew my mind |
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| 22:36.44 | lifeengineer | is HP laptop best supported by Debian? |
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| 22:37.06 | sussudio | lifeengineer: beavers |
| 22:37.37 | alekibango | hello... i am experiencing strange problem today on my debian sid box: cdrecord fails: Error trying to open /dev/hdb exclusively (Device or resource busy)... retrying in 1 second. and it is not mounted and lsof is not reporting any app using it.... |
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| 22:38.00 | antgel | ulitz: you'd be surprised |
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| 22:39.09 | lifeengineer | sussudio:I'am afraid i don't understand you |
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| 22:39.28 | rking | i'm running etc, as far as i know i'm updated where everything's current, and "startx" segfaults, with the strace showing 32 pairs of getuid32()/geteuid()'s before it gets the SIGSEGV. any clues? |
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| 22:40.37 | Jojosan_ | Hello |
| 22:40.49 | Jojosan_ | excuse me, what is the nfs port in debian ? |
| 22:41.03 | Jojosan_ | w/o iptables I can mount my NFS share |
| 22:41.17 | Jojosan_ | but with my iptables firewall I can't, so I suppose it's a problem from there. |
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| 22:41.20 | ulitz | antgel: I initially started with debian but then got frustated with slow progress package integration.. like nwe versions of stuff.. but then tried fedora and got tired of upgrade trouble |
| 22:41.44 | rking | anyone else running etch/xorg and having/not having segfaults? |
| 22:41.57 | antgel | !tell rking about anyone |
| 22:42.25 | alekibango | !tell alekibango about anyone |
| 22:43.01 | rking | antgel: i don't know if this "anyone" applies or not. finding out if there's a known problem with a package in a distro seems like it's fair game for an "anyone" |
| 22:43.02 | N0S3 | juazz |
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| 22:43.06 | thc | rking: xorg crashes on my etch desktop, anytime i run opengl apps. why |
| 22:43.09 | Alphix | sly007: try something like echo $'ABC\nDEF\nGHI\nJKL\nMNO\nPQR' | awk 'BEGIN { test = 0} { if ($0 == "DEF") test = 1; if ( $0 == "MNO" ) test = 0; if ( test == 1 ) print $0 }' |
| 22:43.15 | joey_ | i need help with installing limewire |
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| 22:43.46 | antgel | rking: it applies. check the bts or ask a more focused question |
| 22:43.55 | rking | thc: ahh, right |
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| 22:44.01 | rking | antgel: well, i already did |
| 22:44.02 | antgel | rking: which you did :P |
| 22:44.16 | antgel | !smite me |
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| 22:44.59 | deconvolution | hi, i am configuring my cups printer server for my local network. When I set client-side http://server:631/ipp/ the client said Destination printer does not exist!". How can I solve? |
| 22:45.02 | rking | antgel: no smite - i shouldn't have anyone'd - i'm just in a minor panic causing impatience, so i polled instead of waiting. good idea re bts, although i'm not sure i know exactly which package is the problem |
| 22:45.30 | Fare | what is FTBS? |
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| 22:45.40 | antgel | !tell Fare about bts |
| 22:46.07 | Alphix | Fare: Failure To Build from Source |
| 22:46.15 | Fare | alphix: thanks |
| 22:46.17 | ZombB | Hi everyxbody ! |
| 22:46.21 | ZombB | can someone tell me where to find the gpg key for http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-secure-testing/ ??? |
| 22:46.23 | antgel | Fare: thought it was a typo for bts :) |
| 22:46.24 | Fare | dpkg: ftbs is Failure To Build from Source |
| 22:46.25 | dpkg | ...but ftbs is already something else... |
| 22:46.31 | Fare | dpkg: no, ftbs is Failure To Build from Source |
| 22:46.31 | dpkg | okay, Fare |
| 22:46.32 | antgel | !ftbs |
| 22:46.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, ftbs is Failure To Build from Source |
| 22:46.49 | antgel | what was it before? |
| 22:47.04 | Fare | antgel: random keyboard noise I typed |
| 22:47.07 | buu | Hrm. Anyone know which library XOpenDisplay lives in? The header file is Xlib.h |
| 22:47.17 | lifeengineer | how much cd's have debian sarge? |
| 22:47.36 | antgel | lifeengineer: 14 |
| 22:47.43 | antgel | lifeengineer: (per arch) |
| 22:47.49 | scruffy | buu: libx11-dev? |
| 22:48.07 | Schiz0 | How can I rename a file using mv to a name with -'s in it? I tried \- but it didn't work |
| 22:48.08 | buu | scruffy: Not the package, the actual shared object |
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| 22:48.22 | Schiz0 | gave the error mv: unrecognised option `--- |
| 22:48.34 | azeem | buu: you can derive that from the package name |
| 22:48.37 | azeem | as per policy |
| 22:48.39 | buu | azeem: I can? |
| 22:48.58 | rking | i bet my problem has to do with the nvidia drivers. |
| 22:49.07 | buu | azeem: I don't see an 'x11-dev.so' any place. |
| 22:49.47 | lifeengineer | how much gigabyte it occupy on i386 arch? |
| 22:49.48 | jades | anyone here from Savvis? |
| 22:50.01 | scruffy | rking: thanks for the horror image before upgrading today, I use nvidia as well. |
| 22:50.09 | azeem | buu: well, your derivation is wrong :) |
| 22:50.11 | Ronin | god damn, its definatly getting to be winter here, brrr |
| 22:50.19 | scruffy | rking: (etch) |
| 22:50.20 | azeem | they are called libX11.a and libX11.so |
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| 22:50.31 | buu | oh |
| 22:50.40 | Alphix | Schiz0: mv "file - with - weird chars" "target file" |
| 22:50.47 | buu | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:50.53 | buu | I wa slooking in /lib and /usr/lib and so forth |
| 22:50.55 | Schiz0 | Alphix- Thanks |
| 22:50.59 | azeem | buu: historic reasons |
| 22:51.15 | azeem | and gravity being a pussy to not move it to /usr/libc |
| 22:51.20 | azeem | damn, he's not around |
| 22:51.30 | azeem | s/libc/lib/, anyway |
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| 22:51.49 | buu | azeem: Erm. So can you tell me what the appropiate -l line to gcc should be? |
| 22:51.51 | scruffy | rking: try switching to the nv driver rather than the nvidia one? |
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| 22:52.08 | antgel | Schiz0: ues tab completion in the shell |
| 22:52.08 | rking | Schiz0: there's always '--', which turns off options. e.g.: mv -- -foo -bar |
| 22:52.12 | buu | I thought it would be -lX11 |
| 22:52.12 | scruffy | rking: ..for the sake of testing |
| 22:52.18 | rking | scruffy: exactly what i'll be doing, yep |
| 22:52.19 | antgel | my typing stinks |
| 22:52.25 | azeem | buu: it is |
| 22:52.39 | azeem | buu: but you need to pass -L/usr/X11R6/lib as well, I guess |
| 22:52.45 | ulitz | has anyone ever made a cd emergency bootloader? intead of multiple floppys? |
| 22:52.49 | buu | Oh. Ok. |
| 22:53.00 | rking | scruffy: i was just trying to get the nvidia driver to recompile, but having no luck there (my kernel-headers were uninstalled when i upgraded, and now i can't seem to get a package that the nvidia drivers consider worthy of their time) |
| 22:53.04 | azeem | buu: anyway, Ubuntu's modular X.org has them in /usr/lib, so let's hope for the future |
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| 22:54.36 | rking | scruffy: aww, darnit, now my monitor's complaining about the sync being over range when i run the "nv" driver |
| 22:54.46 | scruffy | rking: it has been months and months since I built the nvidia driver, but this is the guide I used: http://serios.net/content/debian/nvidia/ |
| 22:54.47 | jazzmanss | what is a good software to encode .wav to mp3 that have already been ripped to the hd? I want to batch encode a large number of wavs to mp3 without deleting the wavs. suggestions? |
| 22:55.12 | antgel | jazzmanss: you sure you don't want to use ogg? |
| 22:55.15 | Alphix | ulitz: the install-cd is what I usually use as an emergency disc |
| 22:55.26 | jazzmanss | it's for an ipod. |
| 22:55.28 | azeem | jazzmanss: use a bash for loop to iterate over them |
| 22:55.52 | antgel | jazzmanss: you sure you don't want to buy an iriver? :) |
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| 22:56.02 | Alphix | jazzmanss: a bash script which uses find and xargs |
| 22:56.05 | sussudio | !lame |
| 22:56.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, lame is : Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder at http://www.mp3dev.org/ mirrored at http://lame.sourceforge.net/ which contains debian build instructions, to make your own debs from the tarballs. Versions 3.81 onwards are LGPL!. or don't forget to 'chmod +x debian/rules'. Get .debs from <marillat> or <rarewares> |
| 22:56.07 | ulitz | alphix: and then just reinstall grub in mbr? |
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| 22:56.42 | rking | scruffy: awesome - thanks for that link - i was able to get it to start with the 'vesa' driver. it makes sense that the server would crash when i upgraded - not really etch's fault, just that it's a different binary so of course the driver won't jive. |
| 22:56.48 | antgel | is it me or is it very quiet in here tonight? |
| 22:56.55 | Alphix | ulitz: you should be able to boot with cd, alt+f2 to another console, possibly load some drivers, mount partitions from hd, chroot to partitions, and run grub from the hd to install it to mbr |
| 22:57.39 | Alphix | ulitz: all depending on how comfortable you are with that kind of stuff of course :) |
| 22:57.48 | scruffy | rking: hope you get it fixed. display issues suck. sorry I couldn't help more |
| 22:58.40 | buu | azeem: Well, it compiles now =/ |
| 22:58.41 | Fare | Schiz0: mv ./- ./-- |
| 22:59.10 | rking | scruffy: your moral support is what helped me the most. =) |
| 22:59.33 | Fare | dpkg: what if I prefer well cooked ware to rare ware? |
| 22:59.42 | ulitz | Alphix: I'm comfortable.. just what like grub.. only installed grub to mbr like once in last 5 years |
| 22:59.48 | scruffy | rking: :} |
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| 23:00.49 | Alphix | ulitz: agreed...I think the grub package includes a script for mbr-install which is supposed to make your life easier |
| 23:00.50 | antgel | !saturday |
| 23:00.50 | dpkg | [saturday] Tardsday Eve |
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| 23:03.24 | Tortel | !today |
| 23:03.24 | dpkg | hmm... today is the first day of the rest of your ......ackkkkk (*PLONK*). Hey, anyone know a good mortician? |
| 23:04.01 | alex_ | god night |
| 23:04.27 | alex_ | i m brazil |
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| 23:05.05 | sussudio | !br |
| 23:05.05 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 23:05.41 | alex_ | thank you |
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| 23:05.49 | sussudio | !texugo alex_ |
| 23:05.52 | dpkg | alex_: texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo cogumelo cogumelo texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo serpeeente oooh serpeenteeeee! |
| 23:06.05 | ulitz | reading the grub documentation.. does anyone know where debian puts /usr/lib/grub/? |
| 23:06.23 | sussudio | ulitz: that would be at the bottom of man grub |
| 23:07.01 | Servo888 | Does this make sense... I tared up a directory with the cpf option, the tar file is 6.4GB, while the the directory is 6.5, does that make sense? |
| 23:07.21 | alex_ | fuck dpkg |
| 23:07.25 | azeem | ulitz: /lib/grub |
| 23:07.33 | azeem | (it seems) |
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| 23:07.59 | ulitz | sussudio: must have a different version because mine doesn't say |
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| 23:08.39 | sussudio | ulitz: i don't use grub. the directories a program uses are usually at the bottom of the man. |
| 23:08.41 | ulitz | thanks azeem. got it |
| 23:08.54 | mage | does gaim depend on kde instead of gnome now? |
| 23:09.01 | valdyn_ | mage: no |
| 23:09.12 | antgel | mage: apt-cache show gaim |
| 23:09.14 | azeem | sussudio: I don't think that holds in general |
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| 23:09.45 | sussudio | so far for standardization then |
| 23:10.13 | sussudio | there's always /usr/share/doc |
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| 23:14.06 | dbron | Hi all, is there a way to remotely execute a script that is located on a local machine? I know I could plug in a oneliner to ssh, but I would prefer to do something like pipe a perl script to ssh so that it executes on a remote machine? Anyone know how to do that? |
| 23:14.28 | mage | hmmm very odd i select gaim for upgrade in synaptic and it wants to install a bunch of KDE stuff, then it complains about gaim-data, wants a certain version thats right there but decides not to see it |
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| 23:15.40 | rking | dbron: perl -e 'system("ssh foo.com bar.sh")' ? |
| 23:17.04 | dbron | rking: would bar.sh be locate on the local machine in that example? |
| 23:17.10 | rking | dbron: sure |
| 23:17.20 | dbron | rking: oh, that's cool |
| 23:17.26 | dbron | rking: I will give that a try |
| 23:18.04 | dondelelcaro | dbron: no, bar.sh would be on the remote machine. If you want it to be on the local machine, you need to put it onto the remote machine, then execute it there. |
| 23:18.31 | rking | dondelelcaro: oh, jeez, i'm sorry - thanks for catching that |
| 23:18.45 | dbron | dondelelcaro: that is what I am hoping to avoid, sure I could scp it first but I would like to avoid that step if possible |
| 23:18.49 | Kevin` | or cat bar.sh |ssh remote.host sh |
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| 23:19.39 | dondelelcaro | dbron: so cat - |ssh foohost 'cat ->tmp.sh; ./tmp.sh' |
| 23:19.41 | Kevin` | can even put ssh in the #! line |
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| 23:20.11 | rking | dbron: you can put fairly complicated shell stuff in the command if you escape it right. ssh foo.com 'echo $HOST | perl -ple "print join q{}, reverse split //;"' |
| 23:20.50 | joey_ | You need to upgrade to JRE 1.4.x or newer from http://www.java.com |
| 23:21.04 | rking | Kevin`: nice trick. |
| 23:21.05 | joey_ | what pack name for apt-get to install that |
| 23:21.43 | dbron | thanks all, I have alot more to go with here |
| 23:22.39 | azeem | 01:01 < sussudio> !texugo alex_ |
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| 23:23.42 | sussudio | what |
| 23:23.46 | azeem | oops, mispaste |
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| 23:26.08 | fwtest | is there any apps to crack pdf password? |
| 23:27.11 | Ronin | i hate me, it doesnt matter what i do i do for a living i get to do support 24/7 either carpentry or now IT, lol |
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| 23:27.29 | Ronin | although the carpentry support is immensly more fun and interseting |
| 23:27.35 | sussudio | fwtest: go away. |
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| 23:31.16 | dbron | dondelelcaro: cat date.pl |ssh -l support <ip_address> 'cat ->date.pl; chmod 755 ./date.pl; ./date.pl; rm ./date.pl' does the trick. THanks |
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| 23:32.07 | Kraig | in an stable computer using grub after an upgrade i got pivot_root:No such file or directory /sbin/init: 426:cannot open dev/console: No such file, and then a kernel panic, even the rescue image is not working, any ideas? |
| 23:32.23 | ECou | hi. i have problems getting djview installed in testing, it depends on libqt3-mt which don't exist. anybody know a way around that? |
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| 23:33.05 | dondelelcaro | dbron: cool |
| 23:33.26 | Kraig | ECou: at least on unstable i see sebas@Lugburz:~$ apt-cache search libqt3-mt \ libqt3-mt - Qt GUI Library (Threaded runtime version), Version 3 |
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| 23:34.19 | ECou | i get it's not available, but referred to by other packages and this: However the following packages replace it: libqt3c102-mt libqt3c102 |
| 23:34.25 | ECou | i have them both installed though. |
| 23:34.28 | azeem | ECou: C++ transition problem, should hopefully be hashed out soon |
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| 23:34.55 | ECou | i see. i need some kind of workaround to get djview working. any ideas? |
| 23:35.41 | azeem | ECou: you could install libqt3-mt from testing in a case of emergency, I suppose, but take care whether large parts of your system get removed or something |
| 23:35.50 | azeem | s/from testing/from unstable/ |
| 23:36.57 | ECou | ah ok. download + dpkg --install, or can i make apt do it? |
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| 23:37.33 | chuck_gr | how unstable is sid compared to say fedora core |
| 23:38.08 | Ronin | chuck_gr: dont look at sid wrong |
| 23:38.09 | Kraig | i've been always with sid... |
| 23:38.13 | sussudio | chuck_gr: don't ask stupid questions. |
| 23:38.14 | azeem | chuck_gr: there are no scientific findings on this, I'm afraid |
| 23:38.20 | Kraig | and i've found not too much problems... |
| 23:38.39 | chuck_gr | Ronin, continue plesae |
| 23:38.46 | azeem | ECou: you can make APT do it, perhaps, but take a close look at what it wants to do |
| 23:38.47 | ecobit | is there some "dummy" mta i can install to satisfy dependencies of stuff like mutt but won't put anything in /usr/sbin/sendmail ? |
| 23:38.47 | sussudio | chuck_gr: would you like me to elaborate on why your question is stupid? |
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| 23:38.49 | antgel | chuck_gr: you need to understand how sid works. at times it be very stable. mostly it is. you just need to be careful when upgrading. if you have to ask you shouldn't use it |
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| 23:39.05 | ECou | ok, i'll see what happens. |
| 23:39.13 | antgel | chuck_gr: when i say stable, i mean in terms of not crashing, different from debian's concept of stable |
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| 23:39.19 | Ronin | chuck_gr: what they said :) |
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| 23:39.48 | itamushkin | hi, I've been havingthis weird problem with my x server |
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| 23:39.57 | itamushkin | it won't start, I get "no screens found" |
| 23:40.01 | sussudio | itamushkin: hopping bunnies on your screen? |
| 23:40.05 | sussudio | jesus. |
| 23:40.09 | antgel | chuck_gr: i ran an unstable desktop for a couple of years and never had a single problem. then again, i never upgraded it. i finished up upgrading to stable :) |
| 23:40.09 | itamushkin | ASCII bunnies |
| 23:40.11 | dusk | im trying to install gtk+ 2.8 on unstable |
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| 23:40.17 | chuck_gr | antgel the fact that i am asking means i want to weigh the options, i wont run sid as my day to day OS |
| 23:40.22 | dusk | checking for native Win32... no |
| 23:40.36 | dusk | but i get that error.. is there a win32 library I need? |
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| 23:40.51 | woodland | i have a question abt 'wget' |
| 23:41.07 | antgel | chuck_gr: you're also showing that you don't understand debian's concept of unstable. take a look at http://www.debian.org/releases |
| 23:41.11 | vineet | woodland: shoot |
| 23:41.12 | dvs | Is "nobody" a standard Debian user? |
| 23:41.16 | vineet | dvs: yes |
| 23:41.20 | ECou | 243 to remove, that's not so great :). is there any other way? can i get an old version of djview that doesn't need this? |
| 23:41.23 | dvs | vineet: Thanks |
| 23:41.28 | itamushkin | err... does anyone know what the problem should be? |
| 23:41.34 | itamushkin | s/should/could/1 |
| 23:41.49 | chuck_gr | antgel only because i have read much about the 3 debian children and mostly dont agree real well |
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| 23:42.06 | antgel | chuck_gr: eh? |
| 23:42.12 | luci0 | hahaha |
| 23:42.26 | woodland | when i want to download some avi files, those files have html link, but when i click the link my browser asks me to save the file, how do i do this for wget |
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| 23:42.55 | antgel | chuck_gr: the thing is, many people _do_ run sid day-to-day. you just have to know how to handle problems when they arise |
| 23:43.09 | sussudio | maybe sid should just be called 'broken' |
| 23:43.11 | jcurry | woodland, view the source of the html file, methinks |
| 23:43.11 | Alphix | sussudio: how about renaming it to "danger_danger_might |
| 23:43.14 | chuck_gr | antgel i have investigated reading many articles but the articles dont agree with one another, so i thought comming hear and asking for some clarity might be in order |
| 23:43.18 | Alphix | _cause_impotence" |
| 23:43.28 | jcurry | woodland, look for a .avi url |
| 23:43.36 | woodland | jcurry, ok |
| 23:43.54 | antgel | chuck_gr: very sensible. there's a lot of crap out there. the internet is 99% full of shit and has been ruined :) |
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| 23:44.10 | Kraig | hey! porn ain't crap antgel :P |
| 23:44.26 | dvs | Kraig: What about spam? |
| 23:44.33 | azeem | chuck_gr: you should try to ask more specific questions than "Is Debian better than foo?" |
| 23:44.42 | Kraig | ok, then let's say 97% dvs |
| 23:44.53 | oidfodfije | Hi how are you all today?!? Do you think it would be a good idea for me to move the entire contents of my Linux drive to my Windows drive, repartition my Linux drive, and then move all the contents back over?!?! |
| 23:44.57 | sussudio | yeah, that'll happen. people asking questions that actually have answers. |
| 23:45.00 | dusk | which version of gtk+ should i run on unstable? |
| 23:45.04 | azeem | oidfodfije: no |
| 23:45.07 | chuck_gr | antgel and then i get good minded people like sussudio acting a fool because someone who doesnt have his obviously omipotent knowledge of Debian |
| 23:45.14 | antgel | Kraig: my pet hate is "web forums". forums my arse. more like graphical bloat around stupid misspelt, grammaticaly incorrect ramblings |
| 23:45.25 | sussudio | chuck_gr: you are the fool. |
| 23:45.30 | antgel | chuck_gr: i assume you know how to use /ig |
| 23:45.31 | sussudio | !pity chuck_gr |
| 23:45.31 | azeem | dusk: the unstable version? |
| 23:45.32 | dpkg | I pity da fool chuck_gr! |
| 23:45.35 | Kraig | hell yeah |
| 23:45.38 | Alphix | chuck_gr: to summarize....it will most probably come down to how comfortable you are with using Linux, reading up on last-minute-oh-shit-this-change-will-break-package-X-for-Y-days messages and how willing you are to tinker....does that clarify things? |
| 23:46.07 | dusk | azeem: im running unstabe, but im getting "this was build in 2.6.10, you're running 2.6.0 expect errors" |
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| 23:46.22 | dusk | azeem: so im trying ot get the latest version of gtk+.. but im running into a win32 error |
| 23:46.23 | sussudio | i rest my case. |
| 23:46.28 | azeem | 2.6.10? |
| 23:46.30 | oidfodfije | azeem: why not? will things be messed up? I would like to make my Linux partition bigger but do not want to start all over. How would suggest I do this? I don't have LVM set up. |
| 23:46.30 | dusk | azeem: when i try to ,/configure |
| 23:46.51 | dusk | azeem: checking for native Win32... no |
| 23:46.54 | azeem | oidfodfije: Windows file systems usually do not support all the features your GNU/Linux file system has |
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| 23:47.09 | azeem | dusk: this is not an error |
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| 23:47.17 | azeem | dusk: or does configure abort afterwards? |
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| 23:47.24 | dusk | azeem: it does not |
| 23:47.30 | Alphix | oidfodfije: *if* you do it, at least package the files inside a tar file or some other container which can preserve permissions etc... |
| 23:47.37 | dusk | azeem: it says see "config.log" for more details, so i checked that out |
| 23:47.38 | azeem | so it just checks for it and does not find it |
| 23:47.45 | dusk | azeem: same thing |
| 23:47.50 | dusk | azeem: yes |
| 23:47.53 | azeem | dusk: well, what do you try to compile? |
| 23:48.02 | dusk | azeem: ? |
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| 23:48.12 | dusk | azeem: gtk+2.7.6 |
| 23:48.14 | azeem | why do you run configure? |
| 23:48.15 | dusk | err |
| 23:48.20 | dusk | azeem: 2.8.6 |
| 23:48.43 | antgel | i'm buying a laptop. they have 14" screens with 1024x768. 1400x1050 is an option. surely at this size, 1400x1050 is nearly unreadable except to small children? |
| 23:48.57 | oidfodfije | oh i see. HMM a tar file does not seem like a bad idea, I might do that. Because I have eight megabytes of free space. |
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| 23:49.22 | dusk | azeem: because thats what the GTK+ website says |
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| 23:49.31 | dusk | azeem: i cant seem to find gtk+2.6.10 on apt-cache |
| 23:49.34 | azeem | dusk: why do you compile GTK+? |
| 23:49.36 | Kevin` | fat32 wouldn't fit a large tar file |
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| 23:49.55 | Kraig | good nite |
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| 23:49.58 | thx1138 | when you build a linux from scratch, do u typically keep the kernel of the distro you started from ? |
| 23:50.21 | antgel | thx1138: this is #debian |
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| 23:50.28 | Kevin` | thx1138 there's no pressing reason to |
| 23:50.30 | ellobo | hi |
| 23:50.30 | azeem | thx1138: few people do that in here, you might want to ask in a more appropriate chan |
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| 23:50.38 | ellobo | hi |
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| 23:50.48 | phretor | hi there |
| 23:50.51 | Alphix | but you can ask tar to split the result into several files |
| 23:51.05 | ellobo | anyone managerd to compile ipw2100-1.1.2 under debian with kernel 2.6.13.3 ? |
| 23:51.19 | sussudio | sigh. |
| 23:51.22 | azeem | ellobo: better state the problems you had |
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| 23:51.35 | sussudio | yeah, like he's ever done that before. |
| 23:51.46 | jazzmanss | now how do I use lame to encode a batch of wavs to mp3s? someone mentioned how earlier, but I was busy figuring out how to use lame. |
| 23:52.03 | Alphix | jazzmanss: a combination of find and xargs |
| 23:52.05 | azeem | jazzmanss: you use a bash for loop |
| 23:52.14 | azeem | or that, if they are in some sub-directories |
| 23:53.02 | dusk | azeem: where do you reccomend i get gtk+ from |
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| 23:53.04 | ellobo | azeem: problem starts here, after make-kpkg modules_image with latest ipw2100-source: "cp /usr/include/ieee80211/*.mod /usr/src/modules/ipw2100/driver/tmp/.tmp_versions" "cp: cannot stat `/usr/include/ieee80211/*.mod': No such file or directory"... and goes on to ... "/usr/src/modules/ipw2100/driver/ipw2100.c:2889: error: 'struct ieee80211_hdr' has no member named 'addr2'"... |
| 23:53.20 | sussudio | jazzmanss: i'm sure you can easily find an example using google |
| 23:53.25 | Alphix | jazzmanss: something like....find /my/dir/of/illegally/downloaded/warez/ -type -f -a -iname "*.mp3" -print0 | xargs -0 --max-args=1 <long lame command here> |
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| 23:53.57 | Schiz0 | I have a dir of mp3s, and I want to add (Live) to each of the filenames, is there a way I can do this easily? |
| 23:54.11 | sussudio | Alphix: lame doesn't need a long command. lame --alt-preset standard filename.wav will do |
| 23:54.11 | Alphix | or sorry.....-iname "*.wav" that is |
| 23:54.40 | ellobo | Schiz0: man rename |
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| 23:54.48 | jazzmanss | Alphix, they're all my own cds, :) this is confusing to me, google didn't help, because I don't know what I'm doing to ask the right questions. I'm getting about 10% of what you're saying. |
| 23:54.49 | azeem | dusk: I recommend using the package in Debian |
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| 23:55.03 | Alphix | sussudio: it was more of a joke....people usually like to cobble together 150-char argument lists to lame to squeeze those last 3% of quality out of it (see gentoo-mentality) |
| 23:55.23 | antgel | mp3 sound so bad at the same bitrate as ogg |
| 23:55.23 | sussudio | Alphix: --alt-presets are optimized for encoding |
| 23:55.30 | dusk | azeem: i cant find one |
| 23:55.31 | sussudio | antgel: no it doesn't |
| 23:55.34 | Alphix | sussudio: blah |
| 23:55.42 | azeem | dusk: you can't find any? |
| 23:55.49 | dusk | azeem: no |
| 23:55.56 | antgel | sussudio: actually, to my ears, there is a notable difference |
| 23:55.57 | azeem | dusk: did you try apt-cache search gtk? |
| 23:56.02 | dusk | azeem: yes |
| 23:56.12 | azeem | no results? |
| 23:56.22 | sussudio | o_O |
| 23:56.28 | dusk | azeem: many results, but none for >gtk+2.6.10 |
| 23:56.38 | sussudio | apt-cache search gtk | wc -l |
| 23:56.38 | woodland | jcurry, hi |
| 23:56.39 | sussudio | 749. |
| 23:56.40 | azeem | so, why do you need 2.6.10? |
| 23:57.02 | dusk | azeem: im getting errors saying "this program was built on 2.6.10, you are using 2.6.1, expect errors" |
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| 23:57.06 | woodland | can i use wget to download yahoo attachments |
| 23:57.14 | azeem | dusk: which program? |
| 23:57.27 | azeem | dusk: and are you sure this is about the gtk+ version? |
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| 23:57.43 | dusk | azeem: lots of programs when I did an apt-get upgrade |
| 23:57.47 | dusk | azeem: and no, im not |
| 23:57.53 | dusk | azeem: i just know what it tells me |
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| 23:58.06 | dusk | diablo:/home/dusk# apt-cache search gtk | wc -l |
| 23:58.06 | dusk | 903 |
| 23:58.06 | azeem | dusk: which distribution are you running? |
| 23:58.13 | dusk | azeem: debian unstable |
| 23:58.15 | jeff_ | anyone know what driver a radeon 9200 video card would use? |
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| 23:59.03 | azeem | dusk: so you are saying that there are packages in unstable which claim to be compiled by a gtk+ version which is not in unstable itself? |
| 23:59.14 | azeem | dusk: unstable has 2.6.10-1, btw |
| 23:59.16 | Alphix | jazzmanss: you should be able to find a script that someone has written already......search google....keywords such as "bash lame convert collection wav mp3" should help |
| 23:59.27 | azeem | except for hurd-i386 |
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| 23:59.48 | jazzmanss | thanks Alphix, I'll try those keywords |
| 23:59.59 | itamushkin | err... what driver do I need in oredr to read an NTFS file system and how do I check if it's compiled? |
