irclog2html for #debian on 20051025

`00:00.16`	`stew`	`you can probably skip 65536+`
`00:00.23`	`varsendagger`	`hello`
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`00:00.32`	`stew`	`oh i misread that`
`00:00.32`	`abrotman`	`stew: though you'd probably enjoy this CD`
`00:00.42`	`stew`	`abrotman: ubuntu?`
`00:00.51`	`aladninx`	`does anyone know if acx110 wireless cards are supported with wireless-tools?`
`00:00.53`	`abrotman`	`stew: Eat Your Paisley!`
`00:01.05`	`w3rdn4`	`wtf 5000-65000 open for xbox`
`00:01.10`	`stew`	`abrotman: heh`
`00:01.18`	`stew`	`abrotman: haven't listened to them in a long time`
`00:01.24`	`stew`	`!acx110`
`00:01.30`	`abrotman`	`stew: yeah .. my sister stole my tape`
`00:01.31`	`stew`	`!acx100`
`00:01.32`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, acx100 is wireless internet card chipset that is a royal pain to install, but if you go to http://www.houseofcraig.net/acx100_howto.php you will be able to have your card up and running in an hour (hopefully). http://acx100.sourceforge.net/`
`00:01.32`	`abrotman`	`!acx100`
`00:01.36`	`*** part/#debian scruffy (n=scrfy@67.76.97.24)`
`00:01.39`	`infinity1`	`clearning the arp cache doesn't do any good.`
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`00:01.49`	`stew`	`!acx110 is <reply> see acx100`
`00:01.50`	`dpkg`	`okay, stew`
`00:01.50`	`abrotman`	`stew: acx111`
`00:02.04`	`varsendagger`	`i just set up my network between my debian box and windows xp, but i don't know how to acces my files form windows, it ask for a username and password`
`00:02.07`	`stew`	`ahh, i thought i had allready done that`
`00:02.15`	`varsendagger`	`do i need to add the username to my debian box?`
`00:02.37`	`*** part/#debian tybalt89 (i=rick@p3m/member/tybalt89)`
`00:02.49`	`aladninx`	`thanks abrotman and stew`
`00:02.59`	`deadcat`	`hows the acx100 driver now? having touched it in years.`
`00:03.01`	`stew`	`varsendagger: what do you mean?`
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`00:03.37`	`w3rdn4`	`how would I find the ip address assigned to my xbox ?`
`00:04.02`	`stew`	`w3rdn4: ifconfig`
`00:04.27`	`deadcat`	`you guys think i can cvs .ttf files?`
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`00:04.38`	`bbrazil`	`deadcat: -kb`
`00:04.52`	`deadcat`	`bbrazil: ?`
`00:05.13`	`bbrazil`	`deadcat: option not to expand $Id$ etc., makes it safe to cvs binary files`
`00:05.25`	`deadcat`	`bbrazil: cool.`
`00:05.26`	`varsendagger`	`stew, i am trying to share files between the two boxes, and i can see the debian computer on my xp machine but it ask fo a passowrd and i tried my username and password, and root and password but both of them won't work`
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`00:05.50`	`stew`	`varsendagger: man smbpasswd`
`00:06.34`	`varsendagger`	`ok, is there a way to share individual flies and folders? --easliy`
`00:07.21`	`w3rdn4`	`stew: I do not have linux on my xbox`
`00:07.25`	`w3rdn4`	`so how do I get the address then`
`00:07.26`	`w3rdn4`	`hmmmm`
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`00:09.34`	`sepen`	`anyone can help me http://pastebin.com/404684 I want to send to netcat conection the output from a script ...`
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`00:10.32`	`abrotman`	`w3rdn4: there is a way .. iirc .. google for it`
`00:10.38`	`deadcat`	`bbrazil: cvs import -kb -m "ttf repo" .fonts TTF start?`
`00:10.54`	`abrotman`	`sep: \| nc ?`
`00:11.00`	`abrotman`	`err sepen`
`00:11.10`	`abrotman`	`bah .. let's hit seb too`
`00:11.15`	`bbrazil`	`deadcat: sounds right`
`00:11.23`	`bbrazil`	`deadcat: s/import/add/`
`00:11.43`	`deadcat`	`bbrazil: i am not adding to my current repo. i want .fonts to be a separate module`
`00:12.09`	`sepen`	`abrotman: nc -e script.sh?�?�`
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`00:12.30`	`bbrazil`	`deadcat: dunno about that`
`00:12.31`	`sepen`	`I want to send and receive directly to /from my script`
`00:12.57`	`abrotman`	`sepen: dunno about recieve`
`00:13.12`	`sepen`	`dunno?`
`00:13.29`	`*** part/#debian Wanderer (i=nomad@ipv6.rdlg.net)`
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`00:13.43`	`Wanderer`	`Hey guys`
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`00:14.58`	`deadcat`	`bbrazil: so when i just add 1 binary file to the module, i just use -kb right? what about updating?`
`00:15.13`	`Wanderer`	`Anyone know about using debian unstable with an SiS video card in an HP desktop?`
`00:15.36`	`bbrazil`	`deadcat: nothing needed. just do it on the add. You can get it to automatially add the -kb by glob in some config file`
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`00:15.56`	`deadcat`	`bbrazil: cool.`
`00:16.19`	`bbrazil`	`deadcat: note that if you forget it on the add, fixing it up is hard`
`00:16.27`	`varsendagger`	`how do i change user in teminal?`
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`00:16.37`	`prock`	`how can I 'purify' my system to be sarge only?`
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`00:17.17`	`abrotman`	`Wanderer: what abou tit ?`
`00:17.42`	`fbi`	`abrotman: tit? earlier you were talking about boobs. pervert!`
`00:17.43`	`bob2`	`varsendagger: su`
`00:17.49`	`bob2`	`prock: what did you do to it?`
`00:17.52`	`deadcat`	`bbrazil: oh. cant i just cvs remove it and add again?`
`00:18.04`	`abrotman`	`fbi: i like ze' women!`
`00:18.31`	`bbrazil`	`deadcat: thats one way iirc`
`00:18.56`	`prock`	`bob2: I can't install libgtk2.0-dev because of dependancy problems and I want to purify it so that I know that it's not some old package from when sarge was in testing, etc.`
`00:18.57`	`deadcat`	`bbrazil: cool.`
`00:19.09`	`bbrazil`	`deadcat: might require obiteration of the file from cvs first though. can't remember - have never done it. check the infopages`
`00:19.13`	`Wanderer`	`abrotman: trying to get Xorg working on a debian unstable box that has an SiS card`
`00:19.13`	`varsendagger`	`su -h`
`00:19.20`	`Wanderer`	`it won't detect the video`
`00:19.31`	`abrotman`	`Wanderer: lspci \| grep -i bga`
`00:19.33`	`abrotman`	`er`
`00:19.35`	`abrotman`	`Wanderer: lspci \| grep -i vga`
`00:19.42`	`Wanderer`	`yeah, the pci see's it`
`00:19.46`	`bob2`	`prock: that's not specific enough`
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`00:19.52`	`abrotman`	`Wanderer: yes .. but i want to know :)`
`00:19.58`	`bob2`	`prock: if /etc/apt/sources.list has only ever (and is currently) pointing at sarge, then you'refine`
`00:20.17`	`bcc`	`hi guys, is there a way to check the refresh rate of the running xorg session?`
`00:20.19`	`deadcat`	`bbrazil: now i know how to cvs binary. lets see what else should i add to my home cvs repo (=`
`00:20.20`	`Wanderer`	`abrotman: unfortunately it's a co-workers box and I don't have access right now`
`00:20.24`	`Wanderer`	`may have it tomorrow`
`00:20.26`	`prock`	`bob2: it hasn't only ever been pointing at sarge, but it is now. is the only way to clean things up to do a complete re`
`00:20.26`	`abrotman`	`Wanderer: hrm`
`00:20.30`	`prock`	`re-install?`
`00:20.31`	`bob2`	`bcc: "xvidtune" shows you that`
`00:20.35`	`bcc`	`thanks`
`00:21.31`	`abrotman`	`!sis`
`00:21.31`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, sis is http://www.winischhofer.net/linuxsis630.shtml, or shit, or http://www.winischhofer.net/linuxsisvga.shtml`
`00:21.32`	`bob2`	`prock: depends what else you poitned it at, which is why I'm trying to find out exactly what you've done`
`00:21.32`	`bbrazil`	`deadcat: manual repo manipulation is one of my favourites`
`00:21.32`	`deadcat`	`bbrazil: ah. my webpage images. (=`
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`00:21.32`	`Wanderer`	`abrotman: thanks, I'll check that tonight and see how it fits tomorrow`
`00:21.33`	`prock`	`bob2: I've had xorg installed briefly on here, as well as pointed it at un-official repositories in the past for mplayer and newer versions of fvwm2.5`
`00:21.33`	`abrotman`	`Wanderer: good plan`
`00:21.41`	`abrotman`	`Wanderer: if you need more help .. come back with the model number`
`00:21.42`	`Wanderer`	`google gave me this: http://www.winischhofer.at/linuxsispart3.shtml`
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`00:21.48`	`Wanderer`	`reading that now`
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`00:21.49`	`bob2`	`prock: x.org may be an issue, the others probably won't`
`00:21.55`	`sword`	`what is the proper package for mplayer in debian?`
`00:21.58`	`sword`	`mplayer-686?`
`00:21.58`	`abrotman`	`bah .. how the hell do you see if a CD is in the drive?`
`00:21.59`	`bob2`	`prock: point it at sarge, 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'`
`00:22.10`	`bob2`	`sword: it's not in debian. but mplayer-686 from marillat will work fine.`
`00:22.12`	`prock`	`bob2: already done and there's nothing to upgrade`
`00:22.23`	`bob2`	`abrotman: I think only the kernel will know (and whoever it tells, e.g. hald)`
`00:22.23`	`creichen`	`Hi! Does anyone in here happen to have a good suggestion as to how I might debug X11 forwarding issues with ssh (other than "-v", which doesn't help me very much)?`
`00:22.30`	`sword`	`hmmm bob2 whats the apt source?`
`00:22.30`	`bob2`	`prock: ok, what's the problem then?`
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`00:22.48`	`prock`	`bob2: I still can't install libgtk2.0-dev :(`
`00:22.50`	`bob2`	`sword: /msg dpkg mplayer`
`00:22.55`	`bob2`	`prock: paste the full error to #flood`
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`00:23.02`	`abrotman`	`bob2: there's no way to probe the drive?`
`00:23.12`	`sword`	`thanks`
`00:23.34`	`bob2`	`abrotman: I don't know of any way from userland`
`00:23.39`	`phobos`	`does anybody use the hotkeys package? my laptops volume keys control the wrong audio channel and I don't know how to change it`
`00:23.46`	`bob2`	`abrotman: cat /dev/hdc, catching the error would work, I'd think`
`00:23.50`	`prock`	`bob2: done`
`00:23.55`	`bob2`	`(tho I could of course just be clueless)`
`00:23.57`	`bob2`	`prock: and /etc/apt/sources.list`
`00:24.03`	`w3rdn4`	`how do I configure my computer to have a static ip address?`
`00:24.08`	`abrotman`	`bob2: even with a disk in .. bad IO`
`00:24.15`	`fbi`	`w3rdn4: man interfaces`
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`00:24.35`	`bob2`	`abrotman: gah`
`00:24.40`	`bob2`	`w3rdn4: edit /etc/network/interfaces`
`00:24.44`	`bob2`	`w3rdn4: /msg dpkg man interfaces`
`00:24.46`	`prock`	`bob2: done`
`00:24.47`	`bob2`	`w3rdn4: has a simpel example`
`00:25.03`	`welson`	`creichen: I think there's a verbosity switch in the conf, usually it's just matter of DISPLAY=localhost:0 or I think even having it blank`
`00:25.10`	`bob2`	`prock: 'apt-cache policy libpango1.0-dev''`
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`00:25.31`	`prock`	`bob2:done`
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`00:26.00`	`abrotman`	`bob2: well . with no CD .. says "No medium Found" .. with CD it says "Bad IO" .. i guess that's useful`
`00:26.01`	`abrotman`	`?`
`00:26.08`	`creichen`	`welson: That's not the issue here. I'm at -v -v -v, which tells me "Requesting X11 forwarding with authentication spoofing." and "channel 0: request x11-req", but that's the end of related messages. I can ssh -X just fine to other machines.`
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`00:26.31`	`Technel`	`I currently have Apache 1.33/PHP 4.3 installed on this Debian machine. Would "aptitude purge apache* php*" completely remove apache/PHP/all related programs I don't need from my system so I can installed PHP5/Apache2 fresh?`
`00:26.43`	`bob2`	`abrotman: erk, guess so`
`00:26.50`	`abrotman`	`bob2: yeah .. sounds about right :)`
`00:26.52`	`bob2`	`abrotman: there must be a better way, but I don't know it`
`00:27.01`	`abrotman`	`bob2: hrm .. let me ask #linux`
`00:27.06`	`bob2`	`Technel: no, libapache*, too`
`00:27.13`	`w3rdn4`	`after I make my machine a static one`
`00:27.22`	`w3rdn4`	`do I h ave to reboot?`
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`00:27.27`	`magyar`	`anyone knows when 2.6.13 will be in unstable?`
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`00:27.31`	`welson`	`creichen: well if that's not the issue here, then you wouldn't be trying to figure out what's wrong with debugging..so that's not the issue here`
`00:27.34`	`Technel`	`bob2, But after apache and PHP are uninstalled, no packages would require that and Aptitude would automatically remove it, right?`
`00:27.38`	`prock`	`bob2: do you think it's a dependancy bug?`
`00:27.38`	`cheal`	`magyar: it should never be`
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`00:28.04`	`magyar`	`cheal: why is that?`
`00:28.12`	`thingfish`	`no, you can do /etc/init.d/networking restart w3rdn4.`
`00:28.18`	`cheal`	`magyar: because 2.6.14 should release soon`
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`00:28.49`	`magyar`	`cheal: only even numbers?`
`00:29.01`	`bob2`	`prock: 'apt-cache policy libgtk2.0-dev ; apt-cache policy libglib2.0-dev'`
`00:29.05`	`cheal`	`magyar: no. 2.6.13 was just not done`
`00:29.10`	`bob2`	`Technel: possibly`
`00:29.17`	`dimm0k`	`is it true each kernel entry in lilo.conf needs the read-only line?`
`00:29.31`	`cheal`	`magyar: the minor number of a kernel release's evenness has no meaning`
`00:29.45`	`prock`	`bob2: done`
`00:29.59`	`magyar`	`cheal: i read that they fixed the issue with ramfs`
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`00:32.53`	`sword`	`so i got this msg when installing a package for debian`
`00:32.56`	`sword`	`http://pastebin.com/404714`
`00:32.57`	`sword`	`for mplayer`
`00:33.14`	`b33r`	`i have the newest version of e1000, and yet I cannot ping ant hosts on my local segment, any ideas?`
`00:33.48`	`welson`	`b33r: what's e1000?`
`00:34.04`	`b33r`	`intels gigabit nic driver`
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`00:34.47`	`\|XO\|`	`anyone know of a simple http proxy program that allows me to do some sort of autehnticaation or access control...sort of like BNC ?`
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`00:35.00`	`welson`	`b33r: not sure, but your kernel may need to support it .. if it's a mod try modprobe e1000`
`00:35.08`	`ssn21`	`friendly? http://www.userfriendly.org/`
`00:35.08`	`bob2`	`prock: 'sudo apt-get -f install'`
`00:35.11`	`b33r`	`lsmod shows e1000`
`00:35.15`	`bob2`	`dimm0k: don't think it's essential.`
`00:35.26`	`prock`	`bob2: done before I /join'd :)`
`00:35.27`	`welson`	`b33r: and ifconfig -a ?`
`00:35.28`	`bob2`	`\|XO\|: squid is pretty simple. what si your use-case?`
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`00:35.46`	`bob2`	`prock: 'sudo apt-get install libpango1.0-dev'`
`00:35.48`	`b33r`	`eth0 shows up`
`00:36.00`	`welson`	`b33r: for e1000 ?`
`00:36.02`	`\|XO\|`	`bob2 i need something i can run as non-root`
`00:36.06`	`b33r`	`yes`
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`00:36.23`	`b33r`	`dmesg shows all the right e1000 related information`
`00:36.24`	`bob2`	`\|XO\|: squid doesn't need to run as root`
`00:36.27`	`b33r`	`as well as lspci`
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`00:36.38`	`welson`	`b33r: then know if you should use straight-through or twisted..`
`00:36.42`	`\|XO\|`	`bob2 cbut can a non-root compile and install it?`
`00:36.52`	`b33r`	`its fiber`
`00:37.07`	`prock`	`bob2: done`
`00:37.10`	`bob2`	`prock: 'sudo apt-get install xlibs-dev'`
`00:37.13`	`bob2`	`\|XO\|: yes`
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`00:37.26`	`\|XO\|`	`bob2 thanks :)`
`00:37.30`	`gravity`	`bob2: Please don't make me kill xlibs-dev now`
`00:37.34`	`bob2`	`haha`
`00:37.39`	`gravity`	`I already have it dead in experimental`
`00:37.44`	`bob2`	`gravity: it's sarge, it's someone else's problem :)`
`00:37.44`	`gravity`	`I don't want to encourage its use`
`00:37.50`	`gravity`	`gah`
`00:37.53`	`bob2`	`gravity: oh, guess I should fix lyx asap then`
`00:38.00`	`gravity`	`It's already going to be a pain in my ass to kill it`
`00:38.01`	`welson`	`b33r: fiber, ok, I have no experience with fiber, but assuming it's correctly installed, add>"auto eth0", then "iface eth0 inet dhcp", to /etc/network/interfaces`
`00:38.04`	`gravity`	`bob2: Yep`
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`00:38.06`	`gravity`	`It's so dead`
`00:38.10`	`bob2`	`\|XO\|: ssh may be a good solution, then`
`00:38.13`	`welson`	`b33r: then try /etc/init.d/networking start`
`00:38.17`	`b33r`	`tried that`
`00:38.21`	`b33r`	`it times out`
`00:38.23`	`b33r`	`:(`
`00:38.39`	`prock`	`bob2: done`
`00:38.43`	`welson`	`b33r: have you done a reboot (unfortunately i had to do this sometimes)`
`00:38.51`	`b33r`	`yes.. many times`
`00:39.02`	`b33r`	`right now im thinking its an irq conflict`
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`00:39.42`	`welson`	`b33r: you can try tcpdump -vv in another terminal, and see if any packets are coming back..`
`00:39.55`	`welson`	`b33r: or try something on your gateway`
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`00:40.13`	`b33r`	`the thing is`
`00:40.33`	`b33r`	`when i manuakky set the ip of eth0 and sett up the default gateway`
`00:40.37`	`b33r`	`manually*`
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`00:40.50`	`b33r`	`i cant even ping the gateway`
`00:40.50`	`b33r`	`ill try tcpdump though`
`00:41.00`	`\|XO\|`	`bob2 can i turn caching off in squid? :)`
`00:41.01`	`welson`	`b33r: what package is for dhcp, that you're using?`
`00:41.10`	`bob2`	`\|XO\|: yes`
`00:41.13`	`b33r`	`dhclient`
`00:41.20`	`bob2`	`\|XO\|: if you're just trying to tunnel stuff to another machine, then I'd go with ssh -D`
`00:41.38`	`\|XO\|`	`bob2 i dont want to have to login and stuff`
`00:41.46`	`welson`	`b33r: there's two others, i've had success with dhcp-client and pump`
`00:41.56`	`\|XO\|`	`bob2 i want it to easily integrate with my browser...`
`00:42.01`	`welson`	`b33r: try pump as a last resort, I think dhcp-client is better than it`
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`00:42.10`	`b33r`	`but, when i use my copper card it works`
`00:42.28`	`bob2`	`\|XO\|: this whole conversation would have been shorter and simpler if you'd started with a use case`
`00:42.37`	`prock`	`gah... I'll just wipe and reinstall tomorrow.`
`00:42.43`	`welson`	`b33r: don't know, see /usr/share/doc/<packagename> there might be some info about-- there's also mii-tool to look into it`
`00:42.45`	`\|XO\|`	`bob2 sorry :(`
`00:42.54`	`welson`	`b33r: dpkg -L net-tools \|grep bin`
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`00:43.14`	`\|XO\|`	`bob2 basically im looking to do anonymous browsing but i dont want to leave the proxy open for the whole world to use`
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`00:43.42`	`b33r`	`k checkinf`
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`00:44.22`	`prock`	`bob2: thanks anyway, ttyl :)`
`00:44.29`	`bob2`	`prock: good luck`
`00:44.42`	`Technel`	`I tried compiling my first C program with GCC and it says: stdio.h: No such file or directory in response to my include....`
`00:44.47`	`bob2`	`\|XO\|: right; and the proxy is running on some other machine you can ssh to, but don't have root on?`
`00:44.51`	`bob2`	`Technel: install build-essential`
`00:44.59`	`\|XO\|`	`bob2 yes..`
`00:45.10`	`Technel`	`bob2, Thanks`
`00:46.24`	`bob2`	`\|XO\|: "ssh -D1026 user@remotehost", then point your browser at the SOCKS proxy localhost:1026`
`00:46.43`	`bob2`	`\|XO\|: all browser traffic will magically go over the ssh tunnel, and appear to be coming frrom the remote machine`
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`00:47.22`	`\|XO\|`	`bob2 but ssh will die after a while :(`
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`00:48.20`	`octoberdan`	"you can copy `support-files/mysql.server' to the location where your system has its startup files" Where's that for us?
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`00:49.02`	`Technel`	`So when I compile and get an a.out file, how do I run it?`
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`00:49.59`	`welson`	`Technel: you can only run something you've linked`
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`00:50.13`	`BenC`	`Technel: ./a.out`
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`00:50.41`	`BenC`	`Technel: btw, you should use "gcc -o myprog ..." to name the program instead of letting it use the default a.out filename`
`00:50.43`	`octoberdan`	`Where does the mysql-server instructions mean by "startup files" ?`
`00:50.46`	`scorpix_`	`how can i add arabic support to xxkb?`
`00:50.52`	`Mistle`	`k guys i know yall expect at least some basic knowledge of what i'm doing and all but is there someone here who would be willing to walk a complete dumb idiot like me through getting this computer online step by step?`
`00:51.03`	`BenC`	`octoberdan: /etc/mysql/ probably`
`00:51.11`	`Technel`	`BenC, Oh, alright, thank you!`
`00:51.25`	`welson`	`Mistle: no, because you're server has to be setup first`
`00:51.43`	`welson`	`Mistle: your computer is it a direct to an isp?`
`00:51.48`	`octoberdan`	`BenC: "to the location where your system has its startup files"`
`00:51.48`	`Mistle`	`no`
`00:51.52`	`Mistle`	`it's through router`
`00:52.07`	`welson`	`Mistle: if it's dhcp, it's a matter of just 2 lines..`
`00:52.11`	`octoberdan`	`I want mysql.server to run when the server boots`
`00:52.19`	`Mistle`	`ok welson what 2 lines`
`00:52.25`	`welson`	`octoberdan: there's also /etc/default`
`00:52.48`	`welson`	`Mistle: see if eth0 exists, ifconfig eth0`
`00:52.53`	`Mistle`	`i've never done that, it has always been done for me by someone else, and i've been told that it should run the way it is when i hook it up, i did and it's not`
`00:53.16`	`Mistle`	`it does`
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`00:54.00`	`welson`	`Mistle, have "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in /etc/network/interfaces`
`00:54.23`	`welson`	`Mistle: then start the networking script(/etc/init.d/networking start)`
`00:54.47`	`Mistle`	`ok`
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`00:55.27`	`Mistle`	`now it's giving me DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval <whatever>`
`00:55.56`	`abrotman`	`bob2: it's ugly!`
`00:56.04`	`Mistle`	`failed to bring up eth1`
`00:56.12`	`welson`	`Mistle: dmesg\|grep eth0`
`00:56.18`	`octoberdan`	`thanks for the help`
`00:56.56`	`abrotman`	`bob2: lshal shows many propertiies on devices`
`00:57.04`	`Mistle`	`eth0: DC21143 at 0x2800 (PCI bus 0, device 5), h/w address <hexa number>`
`00:57.09`	`Mistle`	`eth0: media is TP`
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`00:57.18`	`Seb`	`hrm, apt-key update -> says debian-keyring is not installed, but it is`
`00:57.22`	`Seb`	`what's wrong here ?`
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`00:57.39`	`welson`	`Mistle: instead of eth0, use eth1 in your interfaces file`
`00:57.52`	`bob2`	`abrotman: ah, good point`
`00:58.14`	`Mistle`	`i have them both there`
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`00:58.46`	`Mistle`	`auto eth0 and iface eth0 inet dhcp and then auto eth1 and iface eth1 inet dhcp`
`00:59.09`	`Seb`	`anyone ?`
`00:59.23`	`Mistle`	`just after the iface eth0 line i also have address 192.168.0.3, netmask <blah>, network <blah>, broadcast <blah>`
`00:59.24`	`welson`	`Mistle: comment out eth0`
`00:59.42`	`welson`	`Mistle: comment out the static paragraph`
`01:00.05`	`Mistle`	`it's still failing to do the eth1`
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`01:00.28`	`welson`	`Mistle: use pastebin.ca`
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`01:01.06`	`welson`	`!pastebin`
`01:01.06`	`dpkg`	`[pastebin] a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the chatroom to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca`
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`01:05.27`	`Mistle`	`thanks for trying welson`
`01:05.50`	`welson`	`Mistle: well, it should work`
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`01:06.20`	`Mistle`	`eth0 is configured, it just says network unreachable`
`01:06.21`	`welson`	`Mistle: you don't need anything else than two lines, it may help to also include "auto lo" at the top, making 3 lines..`
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`01:06.51`	`welson`	`Mistle: eth0 is Tulip protocol TP.. unless it's standing for something else..`
`01:07.12`	`Mistle`	`so i need eth1 too?`
`01:07.40`	`Mistle`	`ok here`
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`01:07.42`	`welson`	`Mistle: just have three lines, the ones i told you, comment out (means placing "#" at the beginning of the line) or just delete that line..`
`01:07.46`	`Mistle`	`the computer has been connected before`
`01:07.49`	`Mistle`	`by someone else`
`01:07.50`	`welson`	`Mistle: don't use eth0`
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`01:08.18`	`Mistle`	`and i know it's trying to load all sorts of things, like samba and whatever so i know there's bound to be something there that's wrongly configured`
`01:08.28`	`Mistle`	`and it's driving me crazy that i don't know how to deal with it`
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`01:09.00`	`ejay69`	`I am trying to compile Idealx IMC Console... and I got a segmentation fault error what can be the cause of this.... pls...`
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`01:09.09`	`welson`	`Mistle: well you can read the above, use zed, if you're having trouble`
`01:09.16`	`Mistle`	`zed?`
`01:09.23`	`ejay69`	`zed?`
`01:09.30`	`welson`	`Mistle: you should just have those 3 lines..`
`01:09.33`	`StanTheMan`	`what/where/how do I check the current ATA mode of my disk?`
`01:09.44`	`litage`	`how do you remove a copy of OpenOffice that was installed via OO.org's tar.gz (rather than via a package)?`
`01:09.52`	`welson`	`Mistle: if it doesn't work, then turn on dhcp on your router..`
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`01:09.57`	`bob2`	`litage: delete the dir it installed to`
`01:10.03`	`StanTheMan`	`i'm using the standard ATA driver`
`01:10.03`	`bob2`	`litage: if it was /usr, you're kinda screwed`
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`01:10.19`	`ejay69`	`I am trying to compile Idealx IMC Console... and I got a segmentation fault error what can be the cause of this.... pls...`
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`01:11.55`	`welson`	`litage: if you're not sure where it was installed you can try 'which ooffice' or smthing like that`
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`01:12.21`	`nvz`	`ejay69: the cause is that some program tried to address memory outside its address space while you were compiling 3rd party source`
`01:12.41`	`welson`	`litage: usually, stuff under /opt or /usr/local/opt don't cause problems on a system..`
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`01:13.00`	`luddite`	`hey all what's a good source.list for the winehq`
`01:13.17`	`ejay69`	`nvz : what i can i do about it?`
`01:13.32`	`luci0`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:13.32`	`luci0`	`?`
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`01:13.49`	`litage`	`thanks bob2 and welson`
`01:13.52`	`ejay69`	`is it my RAM thats causing it? I got 128 MB RAM`
`01:14.13`	`nvz`	`ejay69: fix it?`
`01:14.13`	`welson`	`ejay69: you'd get a kernel panic, if your hardware was screwing up on you..`
`01:15.11`	`StanTheMan`	`Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00beta4-2.4--with this driver, how do I figure out my transfer rate? driver says "ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx"`
`01:15.19`	`ejay69`	`so what can you recommend guys?\`
`01:15.28`	`ejay69`	`is it a software issue?`
`01:15.33`	`luci0`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:15.34`	`luci0`	`?`
`01:15.48`	`abrotman`	`ack .. bob2 left!`
`01:15.52`	`nvz`	`ejay69: the kernel is like a good hotel with room service. if I got a group of crazed rock stars playing loud music next door, I dont want to know about it and I sure don't want them comming over and taking mini bottles out of my fridge.`
`01:16.00`	`fbi`	`luci0: what are you asking.`
`01:16.12`	`nvz`	`ejay69: which is what your program tried to do, and the kernel threw them out on the curb`
`01:16.21`	`fbi`	`luci0: /j #debian-br`
`01:16.24`	`abrotman`	`fbi: don't make me send the nsa after you!`
`01:16.34`	`fbi`	`pffft. i got a Glock.`
`01:17.00`	`ejay69`	`.......confused... speak english pls.. :-)`
`01:17.09`	`ejay69`	`im a newbie by the way`
`01:17.25`	`nvz`	`ejay69: no, really?`
`01:17.31`	`nvz`	`!newb`
`01:17.31`	`dpkg`	`Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell.`
`01:17.32`	`StanTheMan`	`fbi: you got answer to my IDE disk/driver question?`
`01:17.50`	`abrotman`	`!sig11`
`01:17.50`	`dpkg`	`well, sig11 is Process Signal 11, SEGV (Segment Violation or Segmentation Fault). The program has been smacked down by the kernel for accessing memory outside its segment; indicates a bug in the software, or, with memory-intensive software like gcc, may indicate failing RAM. See the Sig11 FAQ at http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/`
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`01:17.51`	`nvz`	`StanTheMan: he's got a Glock.`
`01:17.59`	`fbi`	`StanTheMan: sorry, no. i'm not even sure what you are trying to do.`
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`01:18.02`	`ejay69`	`as you are saying i have to threw something away?`
`01:18.18`	`StanTheMan`	`fbi: trying to figure out what ATA mode my disk is running at`
`01:18.26`	`fbi`	`also, my fingers are greasy from the carnitas burrito i just ate.`
`01:18.35`	`thingfish`	`ooh carnitas`
`01:18.36`	`StanTheMan`	`fbi: is there a IDE tools package or something ?`
`01:18.41`	`balzac`	`can someone knowledgeable about apt take a peek in #flood and tell me what the likely results are if I say Yes to the command?`
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`01:18.47`	`xNinja`	`hello`
`01:18.48`	`nvz`	`man my eyes are all dried out`
`01:18.52`	`ejay69`	`anyone from the philippines here?`
`01:18.56`	`xNinja`	`how to close unwanted services at startup`
`01:18.59`	`fbi`	`StanTheMan: possibly but unfortunately i don't know. someone in here probably will though.`
`01:19.15`	`StanTheMan`	`ggrrrr no one is answering`
`01:19.30`	`nvz`	`dpkg, PIAV`
`01:19.30`	`dpkg`	`Patience is a virtue - just wait and someone will answer you.`
`01:19.34`	`welson`	`xNinja: what services would you install you didn't wanted?`
`01:19.37`	`abrotman`	`StanTheMan: to do what ?`
`01:19.45`	`abrotman`	`StanTheMan: man hdparm`
`01:19.53`	`ejay69`	`how do i make my debian sarge boot into text mode and how do i make it boot into gnome again?\`
`01:20.06`	`dvs`	`!nodm`
`01:20.06`	`dpkg`	`Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console`
`01:20.08`	`fbi`	`he probably needs to install hdparm before he can read the man page.`
`01:20.14`	`welson`	`ejay69: that sounds applish :)`
`01:20.45`	`ejay69`	`applish?`
`01:21.06`	`welson`	`ejay69: mac people say that, as you can see dpkg is pretty sufficient :)`
`01:21.06`	`dimm0k`	`is it possible to have two printers, a ps and pcl listed in a samba server when it's only one physical printer?`
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`01:21.43`	`ejay69`	`i think ... im not getting it...`
`01:21.57`	`xNinja`	`lets say yp/ftp/rpcbind/supfileserv/pptp`
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`01:22.18`	`fbi`	`ejay69: are you on a sarge install with 'Desktop environment' packages?`
`01:22.35`	`welson`	`ejay69: "text-mode" and "graphic-mode" are Macintosh OS X settings, in Linux, there's no such thing really, just the script calling the X server or logging in to tty1 (ctrl-alt-f1)`
`01:22.40`	`nvz`	`I dont think you would get _it_ if they sent _it_ to you directly addressed priority mail`
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`01:23.01`	`fbi`	`nvz: i agree.`
`01:23.10`	`ejay69`	`yes i am on sarge desktop environment`
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`01:23.32`	`welson`	`xNinja: if you don't need them, find their associated packages with dpkg -S /etc/init.d/pptp, etc.. then apt-cache remove <pckname>`
`01:23.32`	`fbi`	`ejay69: as root: update-rc.d -f gdm remove`
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`01:23.48`	`nvz`	`I used a dumb O'Reilly analogy earlier and you didnt get it`
`01:23.49`	`welson`	`xNinja: if you want to temporarily disable them for startup, man update-rc.d`
`01:23.53`	`fbi`	`ejay69: next time you boot -> startx to start an X session.`
`01:24.09`	`ejay69`	`ok ... trying`
`01:24.17`	`xNinja`	`ok thanks welson i'll try that`
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`01:25.11`	`ejay69`	`fbi: -bash: update-rc.d: command not found`
`01:25.20`	`fbi`	`ejay69: i said: as root.`
`01:25.35`	`ejay69`	`oh.. sorry my dumbness`
`01:25.42`	`welson`	`ejay69: sbin must be in $PATH, otherwise /sbin/update-rc.d`
`01:26.01`	`fbi`	`dude, why confuse him? he only needs to know that he has to be root to run it.`
`01:26.21`	`welson`	`fbi: 'cuse it's not always set by default for the root account.. if he does run into this..`
`01:26.50`	`ejay69`	`rebooting now`
`01:26.56`	`fbi`	`bye`
`01:27.02`	`welson`	`heheh`
`01:27.18`	`ejay69`	`remote reboot :-)`
`01:27.26`	`fbi`	`then hi`
`01:27.44`	`ejay69`	`now if i recompile will i avoid that segmentation fault?`
`01:27.44`	`welson`	`ejay69: try remote rebooting dual-booting :)`
`01:28.24`	`fbi`	`ehm. recomile what? you just removed gdm from your startup scripts.`
`01:28.35`	`fbi`	`s/recomile/recompile/`
`01:29.09`	`dondelelcaro`	`hardwire: ?`
`01:29.15`	`welson`	`fbi: what does fbi stand for?`
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`01:29.37`	`Xenguy`	`funky brain injury`
`01:29.38`	`fbi`	`welson: no idea, i make irc nicks by banging my forehead into the keyboard.`
`01:29.59`	`welson`	`fbi: is that because you're a high-school grad working for US intelligence?`
`01:30.05`	`ejay69`	`ok... i am configuring a Samba+LDAP+PDC ... i got that right through various howtos ... my big big problem is the samba console which i am trying to build from source because apparently there is no deb pacage yet`
`01:30.10`	`fbi`	`welson: probably.`
`01:30.13`	`thingfish`	`that's rich.`
`01:30.25`	`welson`	`fbi: like most of them do, probably-- lol`
`01:30.52`	`welson`	`fbi: high school is low end, you should choose rcmp :=)`
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`01:31.12`	`ejay69`	`and i am getting this segmentaion fault so i just thought that maybe my ram is low (128MB) so i will avoid GDM and expriement with it gain.`
`01:31.19`	`fbi`	`ejay69: what samba console? i am sure if it is something useful, it's been packaged.`
`01:31.38`	`ejay69`	`wait i look for the url`
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`01:31.55`	`welson`	`fbi: you probably don't realize this fact, but many of fbi agents in the us don't even have a college degree`
`01:32.10`	`ejay69`	`Samba Console`
`01:32.11`	`ejay69`	`Samba Console is a web management console for Samba domain controlers. The goal is to give a better experience to the new Linux administrators that need to manage a production Samba server from anywhere using a simple web browser.`
`01:32.33`	`fbi`	`welson: that wouldn't surprise me, where doi sign up?`
`01:32.48`	`fbi`	`ejay69: where are you reading that`
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`01:32.57`	`welson`	`fbi: i'm not in the states, it's why I make fun of their intelligence agencies :)`
`01:33.02`	`thingfish`	`you're disqualified, fbi. You can't have ever taken drugs.`
`01:33.03`	`ejay69`	`http://imc.sourceforge.net/samba-console.html`
`01:33.10`	`ejay69`	`any info on that?`
`01:33.12`	`fbi`	`thingfish: HAH!`
`01:33.14`	`thingfish`	`hehe`
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`01:33.27`	`fbi`	`ejay69: i don't know yet, you just gave me the link 2 seconds ago.`
`01:33.35`	`thingfish`	`pretty much takes me out of the running too.`
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`01:33.50`	`ejay69`	`lol... i thought you could process info on 600 GHZ`
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`01:34.32`	`welson`	`ejay69: what is pdc, is that like an active directory server?`
`01:34.39`	`fbi`	`ejay69: it clearly states that Debian packages are coming soon, which means someone is already on it.`
`01:34.51`	`ejay69`	`i tried suse and fedora for that thing to no avail... perhaps sarge could slam dunk that on me :-)\`
`01:35.24`	`dondelelcaro`	`thingfish: unlikely, it's pretty much impossible to have not taken drugs`
`01:35.30`	`ejay69`	`where did you read that coming soon?`
`01:35.44`	`fbi`	`http://imc.sourceforge.net/download.html`
`01:35.45`	`ejay69`	`Primary domain controller`
`01:35.50`	`mfrisch`	`dondelelcaro tell my "talent scout" that`
`01:36.05`	`ejay69`	`im setting a file server on some old old DOS apps!!!!\`
`01:36.15`	`welson`	`ejay69: what packages should I look into other than ldap, curiously I'm trying to figure what's a good substitute for ad`
`01:36.22`	`dondelelcaro`	`mfrisch: tell him to breath in, then breath out, and congratulate him on his prescription drug use.`
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`01:36.49`	`thingfish`	`hehe`
`01:37.05`	`ejay69`	`samba of course`
`01:37.17`	`mfrisch`	`dondelelcaro or alcohol. Dude Reeked at last gig. But my descression was not to par`
`01:37.23`	`ejay69`	`configure pam ...`
`01:37.24`	`wotnarg`	`Is sid in a usuable state right now? (no gcc major version changes or whatever :P)`
`01:37.39`	`JoshH`	`it has gcc4`
`01:37.41`	`dondelelcaro`	`wotnarg: if you have to ask that question, the answer is no.`
`01:38.02`	`ejay69`	`fbi: where could i find the group that working on it? i'll settle for a beta :-)`
`01:38.24`	`wotnarg`	`... I'm using breezy right now, and I'm wondering if sid is in a major change period, since I havn't used it for a bit. sheesh.`
`01:38.50`	`mfrisch`	`wotnarg more tban happy with sarge`
`01:39.22`	`dondelelcaro`	`wotnarg: sid is always changing; there are uploads made every day.`
`01:39.48`	`fbi`	`ejay69: i am sure the author/maintainer's info is available on that sourceforge page.`
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`01:40.46`	`wotnarg`	`dondelelcaro: But a gcc change or going from xfree to xorg does not happen every day. Things of that magnatude are what I'm asking about.`
`01:41.10`	`ejay69`	`its no there fbi`
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`01:41.24`	`dondelelcaro`	`wotnarg: there are still transitions happening, and new packages making it into the archive.... regardless, no, none of that has happened today... (but it may happen tomorrow)`
`01:41.42`	`wotnarg`	`dondelelcaro: Thank you. Thats all I was asking.`
`01:41.44`	`fbi`	`ejay69: i really don't know. maybe ask in #samba ?`
`01:41.57`	`dondelelcaro`	`(well, besides a version of tetex-bin with a grave bug that will cause it to compile jadetex endlessly...)`
`01:42.06`	`dondelelcaro`	`!dbugs 335550`
`01:42.10`	`dpkg`	`#335550:G[tetex-bin] tetex-bin: fails to upgrade when jadetex is installed; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:18:04 UTC`
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`01:43.02`	`gravity`	`There's a grave bug against xorg in unstable that I've been lax about fixing`
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`01:44.36`	`Firefishe`	`I'm having a problem with xine on my sarge 3.1 system. I have video but no sound. I think it might be a codec package problem (the lack, thereof), but I can't seem to find reference to a debian codec binary package anywhere. Can anyone help?`
`01:45.38`	`ejay69`	`I thin i'll try CentOS for this samba console i read that some are successful in installing on it`
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`01:46.41`	`phobos`	`can anybody tell me, how keys like XF86XK_AudioLowerVolume are getting mapped? I would like to know where I can determine wich event it triggers`
`01:46.58`	`fbi`	`Firefishe: other apps play sound/audio ?`
`01:47.04`	`Firefishe`	`yes fbi`
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`01:47.49`	`phobos`	`the problem is, that my volume keys on my laptop do not control the right mixer channel. does anybody know how to change it?`
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`01:48.03`	`fbi`	`Firefishe: all video files play back with no sound?`
`01:48.07`	`paolob`	`Hi guys! I use testing with gnome. My gnome sound is rare: I had esd, and I changed to alsa-esd. All ok. But If I'm trying to use skype, many times it can't use sound. Almost magically, if I run and use gnomemeeting, skype gets sound too. Lamentably, after closing skype _gnome_ hasn't any sound anymore. What can I do? where could I get help? thank you!!!`
`01:48.23`	`phobos`	`they are mapped to XF86XK_AudioLowerVolume etc. by "hotkeys"`
`01:48.35`	`luddite`	`ok i successfully installed photoshop in debian... through wine. In kde there's this shortcut menu for wine apps.. is there one for gnome?`
`01:48.41`	`Firefishe`	`fbi: yes, apparently. I haven't tried it with other files, other than trying to play dvd's in the drive.`
`01:48.51`	`fbi`	`luddite: ew! the gimp!`
`01:48.54`	`luddite`	`i had to`
`01:49.02`	`luddite`	`i like gimp`
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`01:49.23`	`luddite`	`Most graphical people seem to love photoshop and illustrator`
`01:49.40`	`luddite`	`so it's one more step. i tried using the photogimp`
`01:49.43`	`luddite`	`no dice`
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`01:49.46`	`fbi`	`Firefishe: i've never had a problem with xine, but Google 'debian sarge xine no audio' pulls up like 40,000 pages.`
`01:50.04`	`luddite`	`i'm no graphics designer/artist`
`01:50.09`	`luddite`	`and i like gimp`
`01:50.15`	`luddite`	`but if it's your bread and butter`
`01:50.21`	`luddite`	`your going to use what you know`
`01:50.37`	`luddite`	`so, at least they are willing to use linux`
`01:50.38`	`ssn21`	`because they are foolish`
`01:50.40`	`luddite`	`to a degree`
`01:50.50`	`Firefishe`	`fbi: there is a location in the xine config area that points to the win32 codecs, which I've used in suse, but not debian. I can't seem to find a binary for them.`
`01:50.59`	`luddite`	`firefishe`
`01:51.03`	`dondelelcaro`	`can we please lay off of the enter key?`
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`01:51.14`	`Firefishe`	`yes luddite`
`01:51.21`	`luddite`	`you must use the source.list for deb source.list`
`01:51.30`	`luddite`	`i'll give it you in a sec`
`01:51.46`	`fbi`	`Firefishe: how did you install xine?`
`01:51.56`	`Firefishe`	`fbi: via synaptic`
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`01:52.05`	`luddite`	`/home/lewis/Desktop/Photoshop/cc22_photoshop.0.xpm`
`01:52.05`	`luddite`	`/home/lewis/Desktop/Photoshop/cc22_imageready.0.xpm`
`01:52.08`	`luddite`	`whoops`
`01:52.14`	`luddite`	`moron that i am`
`01:52.15`	`stew`	`Firefishe: /msg dpkg marillat`
`01:52.32`	`luddite`	`deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sid main`
`01:52.45`	`fbi`	`luddite: the bot told him exactly what to do.`
`01:52.49`	`Firefishe`	`ah`
`01:52.54`	`luddite`	`thanks, sorry dpkg`
`01:53.07`	`stew`	`Firefishe: you should replace sid with sarge in that line`
`01:53.16`	`luddite`	`yeah, i break my toys`
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`01:53.41`	`Firefishe`	`k stew..got it`
`01:53.44`	`Firefishe`	`and I...got it ;)`
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`01:55.08`	`Firefishe`	`stew: replace side with sarge or stable?`
`01:55.13`	`Firefishe`	`side=sid`
`01:55.28`	`stew`	`sarge`
`01:55.33`	`fbi`	`Firefishe: marillat needs codenames. use 'sarge'`
`01:55.35`	`Firefishe`	`side=parts of a triangle, square, tetrahedron, or what-have-you ;)`
`01:55.36`	`Firefishe`	`k..thaks`
`01:55.38`	`Firefishe`	`thanks`
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`01:56.49`	`Phated`	`Heh.`
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`01:58.29`	`Firefishe`	`who says god has no sense of humor ;)`
`01:58.43`	`amphi`	`who?`
`01:58.55`	`Firefishe`	`The Great IT`
`01:58.56`	`Firefishe`	`lol`
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`01:59.34`	`Tortel`	`Goodnight all`
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`02:00.55`	`amphi`	`Phated: are you still on your stinkpad?`
`02:01.14`	`gjuntao`	`i have a file wit suffix RPM,how to install it on my debian?`
`02:01.52`	`gravity`	`gjuntao: alien`
`02:01.58`	`muhoo`	`using 2.6.13-1-k7 from sid, i'm seeing ACPI: Power Button (CM) [PWRB], ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:08.0[A] -> Link [LNKA] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ but my /sys/devices/system/acpi/acpi0 is dead empty!`
`02:02.12`	`dondelelcaro`	`gjuntao: but if you can, find the Debian equivalent.`
`02:02.15`	`muhoo`	`acpi appears to be working, i.e. /sys/power/state works`
`02:02.27`	`muhoo`	`but nothing in the acpi dir.`
`02:02.49`	`muhoo`	`this is the binary kernel package.`
`02:03.19`	`amphi`	`muhoo: I have no /sys/devices/system/acpi`
`02:03.23`	`stew`	`what? 2.6.13 in sid?`
`02:03.27`	`muhoo`	`yes`
`02:03.46`	`stew`	`!+info linux-image-2.6.13-1-k7 sid`
`02:03.47`	`dpkg`	`Updating debian files... please wait.`
`02:03.49`	`Phated`	`amphi: No.`
`02:03.50`	`dpkg`	`Package 'linux-image-2.6.13-1-k7' does not exist.`
`02:04.04`	`amphi`	`Phated: got rid of it?`
`02:04.18`	`Phated`	`amphi: Yeh. iBook. runaway`
`02:04.20`	`muhoo`	`sure it does.`
`02:04.38`	`stew`	`muhoo: experimental only, afaik`
`02:05.11`	`amphi`	`Phated: heh - I installed debian on an old ibook for someone not long ago - I like the kernel option for using the sleep light as a hd access indicator`
`02:05.21`	`Phated`	`Ah.`
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`02:05.58`	`amphi`	`and the ctrl and alt + mouse for buttons 2 & 3 is not that bad, IMHO - I just hate the keyboard`
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`02:08.03`	`amphi`	`Phated: how could you give up the 3-button trackpoint though? ;)`
`02:08.09`	`agnl`	`M0ThErFuCkErMoThErFuCkErMoThErFuCkErMoThErFuCkErMoThErFuCkErMoThErFuCkErMoThErFuCkErMoThErFuCkErMoThErFuCkErMoThErFuCkErMoThErFuCkErMoThErFuCkErMoThErFuCkErMoThErFuCkErMoThErFuCkErMoTh`
`02:08.09`	`duo`	`M0ThErFuCkErMoThErFuCkErMoThErFuCkErMoThErFuCkErMoThErFuCkErMoThErFuCkErMoThErFuCkErMoThErFuCkErMoThErFuCkErMoThErFuCkErMoThErFuCkErMoThErFuCkErMoThErFuCkErMoThErFuCkErMoThErFuCkErMoTh`
`02:08.11`	`duo`	`M0ThErFuCkErMoThErFuCkErMoThErFuCkErMoThErFuCkErMoThErFuCkErMoThErFuCkErMoThErFuCkErMoThErFuCkErMoThErFuCkErMoThErFuCkErMoThErFuCkErMoThErFuCkErMoThErFuCkErMoThErFuCkErMoThErFuCkErMoTh`
`02:08.22`	`gjuntao`	`??`
`02:08.27`	`stania`	`I want to use irssi with charsetwars.pl .. but I can't know usage. I have installed it, and loaded the script. .. can you help me? :)`
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`02:08.29`	`sussudio`	`ah, kawfee's awake.`
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`02:08.43`	`abrotman`	`haha`
`02:09.04`	`muhoo`	`amphi: where then are all the acpi things in /sys? the stuff in /sys/firmware/acpi is just empty folders too`
`02:09.28`	`Strider`	`Hi I just apt-dist and now the pc gets as far as LI in LILO. What should I do now?`
`02:09.38`	`stew`	`!li`
`02:09.38`	`dpkg`	`if 'LI' is printed when the system is booted, it means that your drive is probably too large (OR you simply forgot to run 'lilo'). There is a Large-disk-mini-howto. Read it.. Boot the rescue disk, edit lilo.conf and add 'lba32' then try again., or (if drive geometry has changed) try booting from the rescue disk, mounting /, and rerunning lilo. Or you could try grub instead. :) Lithium, or Liechtenstein.`
`02:09.41`	`amphi`	`muhoo: I haven't looked until now ;)`
`02:10.04`	`Phated`	`amphi: Beh, I've got Ctrl.`
`02:10.17`	`Strider`	`dpkg: it was working with woody. why would the disk now be too large?`
`02:10.49`	`abrotman`	`dpkg: eat Strider`
`02:11.14`	`xfan`	`i problems with kaffeine and xine, only get a "blue screen" with any movie and sound ok. whats the problem ?`
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`02:11.27`	`amphi`	`Phated: you'll regret it when you convert to plan 9`
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`02:11.42`	`cgjuoqyptq`	`I SUCKED MY MOMS TITS AS A CHILD`
`02:11.42`	`cgjuoqyptq`	`I SUCKED MY MOMS TITS AS A CHILD`
`02:11.47`	`abrotman`	`!ops duh`
`02:11.47`	`cgjuoqyptq`	`I SUCKED MY MOMS TITS AS A CHILD`
`02:11.47`	`cgjuoqyptq`	`I SUCKED MY MOMS TITS AS A CHILD`
`02:11.48`	`dpkg`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: duh`
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`02:11.55`	`cgjuoqyptq`	`I SUCKED MY MOMS TITS AS A CHILD`
`02:11.56`	`cgjuoqyptq`	`I SUCKED MY MOMS TITS AS A CHILD`
`02:11.59`	`*** mode/#debian [+o gravity] by ChanServ`
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`02:11.59`	`*** mode/#debian [+b %!@ip-91.net-81-220-16.versailles.rev.numericable.fr] by gravity`
`02:11.59`	`*** mode/#debian [+b !@ip-91.net-81-220-16.versailles.rev.numericable.fr] by helix`
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`02:11.59`	`*** mode/#debian [-o helix] by helix`
`02:12.00`	`*** mode/#debian [-o gravity] by gravity`
`02:12.05`	`abrotman`	`thanks guys :)`
`02:12.14`	`Phated`	`Go go helix gravity!`
`02:12.14`	`gravity`	`I beat you :-p`
`02:12.15`	`stew`	`!win gravity`
`02:12.16`	`dpkg`	`Congratulations, gravity! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!`
`02:12.20`	`helix`	`no way, I beat you`
`02:12.28`	`Phated`	`Ehm, nope, says here gravity won.`
`02:12.31`	`xfan`	`i have problems with xine on debian`
`02:12.32`	`abrotman`	`though helix's total time as op was shorter`
`02:12.33`	`helix`	`but but`
`02:12.41`	`gravity`	`I totally got those AOL CD's`
`02:12.42`	`helix`	`03:11 -!- cgjuoqyptq [n=inxjahed@ip-91.net-81-220-16.versailles.rev.numericable.fr] has left #debian requested by helix: "go away"]`
`02:12.44`	`amphi`	`says helix here`
`02:12.45`	`xfan`	`when i play any video, only get a blue screen`
`02:13.01`	`abrotman`	`says gravity here .. but well .. i'm just glad someone responded :)`
`02:13.04`	`gravity`	`Gar, ok. You get the CDs`
`02:13.08`	`Firefishe`	`xfan...BSoD daemon from windows?`
`02:13.09`	`Firefishe`	`;) yuk`
`02:13.53`	`ratonn`	`is there a way to remove the Sender: header from emails in exim4?`
`02:13.56`	`xfan`	`no that blue screen....xD`
`02:14.03`	`ratonn`	`in exim3 you could specify a list of trusted users`
`02:14.05`	`xfan`	`a real blue screen`
`02:14.26`	`welson`	`xfan: see the messages from console, run an xterm box`
`02:15.16`	`muhoo`	`sad. ACPI: Processor [CPU1] (supports 16 throttling states), but powernow-k8: Processor cpuid 671 not supported`
`02:15.29`	`scruffy`	`anyone know the file size limit under ext3? fs(5) doesn't seem to know.`
`02:15.43`	`muhoo`	`well, if it supports 16 throttling states (yay!) why does the driver refuse to support it (boo!)`
`02:15.45`	`abrotman`	`16GB ?`
`02:15.51`	`abrotman`	`nah .. that can't be right`
`02:15.57`	`muhoo`	`powernow-k7 won't load. this is a duron.`
`02:15.58`	`abrotman`	`!fs comparison`
`02:15.58`	`dpkg`	`well, filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/`
`02:16.06`	`widrone-away`	`scruffy: 2TB.`
`02:16.11`	`stew`	`widrone-away: no`
`02:16.15`	`stew`	`oh maybe`
`02:16.18`	`scruffy`	`widrone-away: good lord, you sure? heheh`
`02:16.27`	`scruffy`	`abrotman: I'll check it out, thanks`
`02:16.29`	`stew`	`i think its based on # of blocks though not bytes`
`02:16.36`	`widrone-away`	`scruffy: Only by google, not by source.`
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`02:16.41`	`ypj`	`I SUCKED MY MOMS TITS AS A CHILD`
`02:16.41`	`osve`	`I SUCKED MY MOMS TITS AS A CHILD`
`02:16.41`	`ypj`	`I SUCKED MY MOMS TITS AS A CHILD`
`02:16.41`	`osve`	`I SUCKED MY MOMS TITS AS A CHILD`
`02:16.45`	`abrotman`	`scruffy: he's much closer`
`02:16.46`	`abrotman`	`!ops duh`
`02:16.47`	`dpkg`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: duh`
`02:16.47`	`*** mode/#debian [+o gravity] by ChanServ`
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`02:16.48`	`ypj`	`I SUCKED MY MOMS TITS AS A CHILD`
`02:16.48`	`ypj`	`I SUCKED MY MOMS TITS AS A CHILD`
`02:16.48`	`*** mode/#debian [-o gravity] by gravity`
`02:16.51`	`*** mode/#debian [+o gravity] by ChanServ`
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`02:17.03`	`xfan`	`there isnt errors on xterm, i change the videodriver and now work better, but very slowwww`
`02:17.06`	`dondelelcaro`	`yeay for lametroids`
`02:17.09`	`abrotman`	`gravity: dont' go away`
`02:17.10`	`stew`	`helix: you lost the rematch`
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`02:17.20`	`helix`	`I let him have it`
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`02:17.27`	`widrone-away`	`There seems to be a patch to go over thu.`
`02:17.27`	`abrotman`	`oh ffs`
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`02:17.32`	`*** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ`
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`02:17.38`	`*** mode/#debian [+b !@ool-435196d8.dyn.optonline.net] by dondelelcaro`
`02:17.40`	`*** mode/#debian [-m] by dondelelcaro`
`02:17.56`	`abrotman`	`yay`
`02:18.05`	`lilo`	`cute`
`02:18.19`	`thingfish`	`there's something wrong with those people at a very basic level.`
`02:18.27`	`lilo`	`yes indeed`
`02:18.29`	`abrotman`	`says the guy with a fish for a thing`
`02:18.39`	`thingfish`	`hehe`
`02:19.05`	`*** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro`
`02:19.07`	`*** mode/#debian [-i] by debhelper`
`02:19.08`	`ratonn`	`is there a way to remove the Sender: header from emails in exim4?`
`02:19.10`	`ratonn`	`in exim3 you could specify a list of trusted users`
`02:19.20`	`abrotman`	`ratonn: try #exim`
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`02:20.33`	`Phated`	`Heh.`
`02:20.43`	`xfan`	`the video are very slow on full screen mode, i have a Pentium4-2400`
`02:20.51`	`abrotman`	`need more power!`
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`02:21.02`	`vh`	`SOMETIMES WHEN IM ALONE AT NIGHT I WET MY SNAKE AND PET IT`
`02:21.03`	`rw`	`SOMETIMES WHEN IM ALONE AT NIGHT I WET MY SNAKE AND PET IT`
`02:21.03`	`rw`	`SOMETIMES WHEN IM ALONE AT NIGHT I WET MY SNAKE AND PET IT`
`02:21.03`	`otpuvz`	`SOMETIMES WHEN IM ALONE AT NIGHT I WET MY SNAKE AND PET IT`
`02:21.04`	`otpuvz`	`SOMETIMES WHEN IM ALONE AT NIGHT I WET MY SNAKE AND PET IT`
`02:21.05`	`vh`	`SOMETIMES WHEN IM ALONE AT NIGHT I WET MY SNAKE AND PET IT`
`02:21.05`	`rw`	`SOMETIMES WHEN IM ALONE AT NIGHT I WET MY SNAKE AND PET IT`
`02:21.05`	`otpuvz`	`SOMETIMES WHEN IM ALONE AT NIGHT I WET MY SNAKE AND PET IT`
`02:21.05`	`vh`	`SOMETIMES WHEN IM ALONE AT NIGHT I WET MY SNAKE AND PET IT`
`02:21.06`	`rw`	`SOMETIMES WHEN IM ALONE AT NIGHT I WET MY SNAKE AND PET IT`
`02:21.07`	`otpuvz`	`SOMETIMES WHEN IM ALONE AT NIGHT I WET MY SNAKE AND PET IT`
`02:21.08`	`abrotman`	`!ops duh`
`02:21.09`	`welson`	`asshole`
`02:21.09`	`dpkg`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: duh`
`02:21.13`	`vh`	`SOMETIMES WHEN IM ALONE AT NIGHT I WET MY SNAKE AND PET IT`
`02:21.13`	`rw`	`SOMETIMES WHEN IM ALONE AT NIGHT I WET MY SNAKE AND PET IT`
`02:21.13`	`vh`	`SOMETIMES WHEN IM ALONE AT NIGHT I WET MY SNAKE AND PET IT`
`02:21.14`	`rw`	`SOMETIMES WHEN IM ALONE AT NIGHT I WET MY SNAKE AND PET IT`
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`02:21.20`	`otpuvz`	`SOMETIMES WHEN IM ALONE AT NIGHT I WET MY SNAKE AND PET IT`
`02:21.20`	`otpuvz`	`SOMETIMES WHEN IM ALONE AT NIGHT I WET MY SNAKE AND PET IT`
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`02:21.22`	`Firefishe`	`xfan, is your hard drive set for dma mode on?`
`02:21.24`	`xfan`	`can i down the resolution when change on full scren? , now are on 1680x1050`
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`02:21.39`	`gravity`	`Geez, I go away for a second...`
`02:21.42`	`Vyrus001`	`ok so i messed up and installed windows in a nother partition after deb so now grub is not in my mbr but i thouht there was a way to fix it from knoppix but i cant remeber how ?`
`02:21.43`	`welson`	`xfan: what X version and driver are you using?`
`02:21.44`	`muhoo`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:21.44`	`xfan`	`when play on a normal windows works well`
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`02:21.48`	`Phated`	`gravity: Don't go away!`
`02:21.50`	`abrotman`	`gravity: that's it .. no more soda for you .. you'll be peeing all night`
`02:22.03`	`Daveman`	`:D`
`02:22.05`	`gravity`	`hehe`
`02:22.09`	`xfan`	`XFREE_4.3`
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`02:22.19`	`Daveman`	`hooray, spam! -_-;`
`02:22.19`	`stew`	`Vyrus001: /msg dpkg fixmbr`
`02:22.22`	`xfan`	`or the last XFREE (the debian stable`
`02:22.23`	`gravity`	`Amazing`
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`02:22.35`	`Vyrus001`	`stew thanx`
`02:22.41`	`Vyrus001`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:22.42`	`muhoo`	`it's never good news when googling for your erro message, the only hits appears in czech, german, french, and bulgarian linux forums`
`02:22.44`	`abrotman`	`i wonder if it's a water snake ...`
`02:22.53`	`xfan`	`maybe is a problem with the large screen (1680x1050)`
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`02:23.01`	`Seb`	`abrotman: it wishes it were ;)`
`02:23.03`	`abrotman`	`muhoo: it is if you're czech, german, french, or bulgarian`
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`02:23.14`	`abrotman`	`gravity: quick!`
`02:23.14`	`Seb`	`muhoo: it is for me ;)`
`02:23.15`	`otpuvz`	`SOMETIMES WHEN IM ALONE AT NIGHT I WET MY SNAKE AND PET IT`
`02:23.16`	`otpuvz`	`SOMETIMES WHEN IM ALONE AT NIGHT I WET MY SNAKE AND PET IT`
`02:23.17`	`*** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ`
`02:23.18`	`*** mode/#debian [+b !@61.244.116.229] by dondelelcaro`
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`02:23.18`	`*** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro`
`02:23.23`	`bucky`	`all these jerks are from hong kong`
`02:23.26`	`gravity`	`Heh, dondelelcaro wins`
`02:23.28`	`abrotman`	`bucky: no ..`
`02:23.35`	`abrotman`	`bucky: nh and MI have been in too`
`02:23.42`	`Daveman`	`thanks dondelelcaro :)`
`02:23.43`	`Seb`	`bucky: correction, all those 0wned jerks are from HK`
`02:23.45`	`abrotman`	`(i think they both voted for bush)`
`02:23.47`	`*** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ`
`02:23.48`	`rjune`	`so ban hong gong`
`02:23.52`	`*** mode/#debian [+b !@210.111.34.218] by dondelelcaro`
`02:24.02`	`Seb`	`rjune: chea, let's ban all southeasy asia, yeah`
`02:24.06`	`Seb`	`southeast`
`02:24.07`	`Daveman`	`nah, just ban china`
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`02:24.23`	`welson`	`let's ban all communist states!`
`02:24.25`	`Daveman`	`and tmpban .au -- they could really use a timeout :P`
`02:24.34`	`rjune`	`welson: that's most of the world`
`02:24.42`	`Daveman`	`indeed`
`02:24.51`	`welson`	`rjune: no it isn't, there's only a few..`
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`02:25.04`	`Daveman`	`heh`
`02:25.08`	`rjune`	`please, which countries are actually communist?`
`02:25.09`	`abrotman`	`hey .. guess what`
`02:25.13`	`Daveman`	`.o/`
`02:25.16`	`Seb`	`rjune: shhhh, don't break it all down to our american fellows so harshly`
`02:25.17`	`welson`	`rjune: rtfm!`
`02:25.19`	`abrotman`	`who wants to make a bet ...`
`02:25.26`	`abrotman`	`hi Dave123`
`02:25.30`	`abrotman`	`and Daveman`
`02:25.37`	`rjune`	`welson: seriously, name one communist country in the world today`
`02:25.47`	`muhoo`	`cuba?`
`02:25.48`	`abrotman`	`rjune: china and cuba .. technically`
`02:25.51`	`thingfish`	`um, well, cuba is communist, china is communist, north korea is communist.`
`02:25.53`	`welson`	`rjune: communist states exists.. go read up about it..`
`02:25.56`	`rjune`	`Seb: they're making it so easy. it's like the dumbasses that clame US is a democracy`
`02:26.02`	`Seb`	`welson: many african states to start with, you ignorant moron`
`02:26.05`	`Seb`	`rjune: i know, i know`
`02:26.07`	`scruffy`	`widrone: apparently you are very close, thanks! -> http://www.suse.de/~aj/linux_lfs.html`
`02:26.12`	`stew`	`ajrjdy: ever heard of turing and his famous test?`
`02:26.14`	`Daveman`	`heh`
`02:26.23`	`Seb`	`hrm the other way around, heh`
`02:26.25`	`abrotman`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism`
`02:26.28`	`rjune`	`thingfish: those are socialist economies`
`02:26.28`	`xfan`	`on 800x600 the video works great`
`02:26.28`	`welson`	`Seb: Afrian countries are not sectored by states`
`02:26.38`	`welson`	`Seb: Africa is a continent`
`02:26.48`	`litage`	`is the order stable, testing, unstable or stable, unstable, testing for most to least stable?`
`02:26.48`	`welson`	`Seb: *american`
`02:26.54`	`Seb`	`welson: i was using amerinca terminology so you wouldn;'t be too confused`
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`02:26.58`	`Seb`	`american`
`02:26.59`	`muhoo`	`!start a political ideology flamewar`
`02:27.12`	`muhoo`	`s/start/stop/`
`02:27.15`	`thingfish`	`rjune: I guess I'm not familiar enough with the distinction between communist and socialist.`
`02:27.17`	`abrotman`	`litage: depends on your usage`
`02:27.22`	`litage`	`abrotman: how so?`
`02:27.26`	`bucky`	`rjune, Cuba and North Korea and Viet Nam`
`02:27.28`	`abrotman`	`litage: but mostly .. stable,testing,unstable`
`02:27.32`	`rjune`	`bucky: socialism.`
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`02:27.43`	`rjune`	`those are nowhere near classless societies`
`02:27.50`	`sussudio`	`!start a badger war`
`02:27.50`	`dpkg`	`snakes are better than FieldySnuts`
`02:27.51`	`gravity`	`#politics is thataway ----->`
`02:27.54`	`rjune`	`Cuba is a dictatorship, as is North Korea`
`02:28.01`	`litage`	`thanks abrotman`
`02:28.04`	`rjune`	`not 100% sure about vietnam`
`02:28.27`	`abrotman`	`i don't think it is`
`02:28.29`	`shai`	`hey, i currently have my prompt set as "set prompt = "%m\|%~>" ... but i'd like the %~ (the directory) to be in a different color how do i do this?`
`02:28.38`	`welson`	`Seb: "i was using amerinca terminology so you wouldn;'t be too confused" <<-- ?`
`02:28.40`	`amphi`	`shai: man console_codes`
`02:28.45`	`welson`	`geez`
`02:28.50`	`abrotman`	`man stupid_bash_tricks :)`
`02:29.03`	`welson`	`some people shouldn't be here`
`02:29.07`	`amphi`	`abrotman: work fine in zsh too ;)`
`02:29.09`	`deadcat`	`shai: is that csh?`
`02:29.12`	`welson`	`I'm a moron? what the hell did i do?`
`02:29.23`	`thingfish`	`actually, people who call themselves christians shouldn't be too opposed to communism, since it says in Acts that the early christian communities all held their property in common.`
`02:29.32`	`welson`	`i'm not even in the us..`
`02:29.39`	`welson`	`doorknob!`
`02:29.41`	`shai`	`deadcat, yah`
`02:29.44`	`abrotman`	`amphi: man stupid_zsh_tricks :)`
`02:29.45`	`shai`	`amphi, tnx`
`02:29.50`	`rjune`	`thingfish: indeed`
`02:29.54`	`Seb`	`dpkg, comfort welson`
`02:29.55`	`dpkg`	`There, there, welson. It's OK. I'm here for you.`
`02:29.55`	`Daveman`	`haha`
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`02:30.07`	`welson`	`Seb: go f** yourself`
`02:30.17`	`thingfish`	`how gauche`
`02:30.18`	`dondelelcaro`	`welson, Seb: take it elsewhere please.`
`02:30.18`	`sussudio`	`f**?`
`02:30.25`	`abrotman`	`thingfish: and probably should still .. but what do i know .. i pray to the beergod :)`
`02:30.27`	`sussudio`	`fix?`
`02:30.31`	`Seb`	`welson: you could always change your nick, and use mwelson I guess`
`02:30.33`	`welson`	`dondelelcaro: I'm not the one namecalling for nuthin`
`02:30.33`	`takatumi`	`foo`
`02:30.40`	`muhoo`	`abrotman: at the Porcelain Altar?`
`02:30.41`	`Daveman`	`heh, beergod eh?`
`02:30.49`	`deadcat`	`shai: does csh understand escape chars?`
`02:30.50`	`abrotman`	`muhoo: no .. the people that make beer .. duh :)`
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`02:30.56`	`dondelelcaro`	`welson: I don't particularly care, use /ignore if you feel the need to respond in a negative fashion.`
`02:31.05`	`sussudio`	`!tell sess about away`
`02:31.05`	`dondelelcaro`	`!tell sess -about away`
`02:31.06`	`welson`	`dondelelcaro: smart! :)`
`02:31.07`	`abrotman`	`!tell sess about away`
`02:31.12`	`deadcat`	`shai: i am using bash, never used color when i was using csh.`
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`02:31.29`	`shai`	`deadcat; is that because you didn't want to or because you couldn't figure how to?`
`02:31.47`	`muhoo`	`ok, this is entertaining, but i'm still stuck. powernow-k8 refuses to load, says my CPU isn't suported, but it is/should be. google turns up nothing even remotely useful.`
`02:31.48`	`abrotman`	`i didn't know csh had color :)`
`02:31.49`	`deadcat`	`shai: because bash has more feature than csh. i mean csh. not tcsh (=`
`02:32.01`	`abrotman`	`muhoo: are you using pure64?`
`02:32.11`	`shai`	`deadcat, yahhh but i'm sure csh has colors thats basic stuff`
`02:32.26`	`muhoo`	`!pure64`
`02:32.36`	`abrotman`	`muhoo: is it 64bit debian or 32bit ?`
`02:32.42`	`deadcat`	`shai: \[\033[30;1m\] this would be BOLD`
`02:32.58`	`deadcat`	`shai: try 30-37`
`02:32.58`	`muhoo`	`abrotman: it is sarge, and i'm using the 2.6.13 kernel binary from sid`
`02:33.26`	`deadcat`	`shai: you using tcsh right.?`
`02:33.38`	`muhoo`	`i'd try backing off to an earlier 2.6 kernel if i found googles of this error message, or some indication that it's a known bug in 2.6.13`
`02:33.39`	`shai`	`dead, nah just csh`
`02:33.44`	`deadcat`	`oh`
`02:33.49`	`abrotman`	`muhoo: i don't have an amd64 .. but what's the error ?`
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`02:33.53`	`Seb`	`shai: wait, you insist on using just csh ? :)`
`02:33.58`	`deadcat`	`shai: i used to setup my prompt diffly`
`02:34.11`	`shai`	`Seb, its what they're using in the school labs ;)`
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`02:34.18`	`abrotman`	`school labs are solaris ?`
`02:34.20`	`deadcat`	`shai: ya. install bash yourself`
`02:34.23`	`Seb`	`shai: heh, I see. No way to get a nice admin to change it to something more decent ?`
`02:34.24`	`muhoo`	`abrotman: No such device`
`02:34.38`	`abrotman`	`muhoo: erm .. what device ?`
`02:34.41`	`muhoo`	`abrotman: ACPI: Processor [CPU1] (supports 16 throttling states), but`
`02:34.43`	`muhoo`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:34.48`	`Seb`	`abrotman: the device, you know ;)`
`02:35.04`	`muhoo`	`i HATE that about linux. "No such device" but it doesn't tell me which device`
`02:35.07`	`abrotman`	`muhoo: maybe your CPU can't do that ?`
`02:35.10`	`deadcat`	`shai: i used to ask the admin but they said no. by the time they get bash 2.05a, i haev installed b in my home dir`
`02:35.13`	`stew`	`muhoo: strace`
`02:35.21`	`muhoo`	`i used to be able to strace to see which /dev/foo was tryign to be ioctl'ed`
`02:35.27`	`abrotman`	`muhoo: uname -a`
`02:35.28`	`muhoo`	`stew: no dice`
`02:35.34`	`muhoo`	`Linux bc 2.6.13-1-k7 #1 Fri Oct 7 00:57:20 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux`
`02:35.42`	`abrotman`	`well .. that's a damn good reason`
`02:35.42`	`beardy`	`muhoo: And which other kernel/os does that?`
`02:35.53`	`abrotman`	`muhoo: you're using a k7 kernel for a k8 program`
`02:35.57`	`muhoo`	`beardy: dunno. do any?`
`02:35.58`	`scruffy`	`abrotman: hmmmm dd: /dev/wd1c: Input/output error (2159550464 bytes transferred in 1640 secs)`
`02:36.10`	`abrotman`	`scruffy: cows are blue!`
`02:36.20`	`scruffy`	`abrotman: and I'm on ext3, 2.6.11`
`02:36.28`	`abrotman`	`scruffy: is it NFS ?`
`02:36.34`	`scruffy`	`abrotman: nope`
`02:36.35`	`muhoo`	`stew: the only thing modprobe is trying to open is open("/lib/modules/2.6.13-1-k7/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/powernow-k8.ko",`
`02:36.36`	`Seb`	`scruffy: that's a *BSD block device, right ?`
`02:36.37`	`abrotman`	`scruffy: and which kernel ?`
`02:36.44`	`beardy`	`muhoo: I don't think so, that was my point.`
`02:36.44`	`abrotman`	`muhoo: which CPU ?`
`02:36.44`	`muhoo`	`stew: the failure is at init_module("ELF", 0x4070) = -1 ENODEV (No such device)`
`02:36.46`	`scruffy`	`Seb: yes`
`02:36.50`	`scruffy`	`abrotman: 2.6.11`
`02:37.03`	`abrotman`	`scruffy: i think seb is about to tell you that you're crazy!`
`02:37.03`	`Seb`	`scruffy: so what do you expect from us ?`
`02:37.04`	`muhoo`	`abrotman: CPU Model : Duron (Morgan core) [A1] , Family: 6 Model: 7 Stepping: 1`
`02:37.15`	`shai`	`deadcat, its kinda more difficult than that... we're using some special stuff for csh and if i screw around i won't get my things to work... long story, its cool though i know bash is better`
`02:37.17`	`Seb`	`abrotman: stop reading my mnd, this is feeling really uncomfortable now :>`
`02:37.23`	`abrotman`	`muhoo: powernow-k8 is only for amd64 ??`
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`02:37.35`	`abrotman`	`Seb: as long as you stop peeing with the seat down`
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`02:37.36`	`beardy`	`though`
`02:37.38`	`muhoo`	`hmm. but powernow-k7 gives the same error`
`02:37.40`	`beardy`	`!better`
`02:37.40`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what you mean by "better".`
`02:37.42`	`scruffy`	`Seb: the story is, I'm trying to image a BSD disk on my Linux ext3 filesystem, and it seems I can't go higher than 2GB`
`02:37.47`	`Seb`	`abrotman: heh`
`02:37.48`	`deadcat`	`shai: ya. i mean csh is ok.`
`02:38.24`	`Seb`	`scruffy: you running ssh bsdbox "dd if=/dev/wd1c of=-" > file.image ?`
`02:38.29`	`Seb`	`scruffy: or something like it ?`
`02:38.36`	`scruffy`	`Seb: yes, right`
`02:38.39`	`Seb`	`i see`
`02:38.52`	`scruffy`	`Seb: actually using netcat in place of ssh`
`02:38.57`	`muhoo`	`abrotman: actually i misspoke. modprobe powernow-k7 gives a less specific error (doesn't say the cpu is unsupported) but it does give me the same "No such device"`
`02:39.02`	`welson`	`scruffy: you can use dd with offset for trying to make 2, then use cat b >> a for rebinding it..`
`02:39.03`	`Seb`	`scruffy: and it can't write file.image > 2G ?`
`02:39.24`	`abrotman`	`muhoo: did you check the BTS?`
`02:39.27`	`scruffy`	`Seb: correct.`
`02:39.54`	`muhoo`	`abrotman: search BTS for "No such device"? :-)`
`02:39.56`	`scruffy`	`welson: I may have to, but this seems to think I should have 2TB max -> http://www.suse.de/~aj/linux_lfs.html`
`02:39.57`	`Seb`	`scruffy: i thought this limit wasn't in the more recent linux kernels. At least not in the linux precompiled images. You're running that right ?`
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`02:40.13`	`abrotman`	`hrm .. if jack puts a ! on a line .. what does it mean?(and not jackd .. this is jack)`
`02:40.20`	`Seb`	`scruffy: i mean debian precompiled images`
`02:40.35`	`Seb`	`abrotman: trouble reading, couldn't make it after several retries iirc`
`02:40.43`	`abrotman`	`Seb: reading what?`
`02:40.48`	`abrotman`	`Seb: oh .. the CD`
`02:40.49`	`Seb`	`abrotman: you might wanna check the man page again, i think they list codes at the bottom`
`02:40.54`	`Seb`	`abrotman: well, yeah :)`
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`02:41.00`	`scruffy`	`Seb: using my own vanilla. What might be the name of the config option? I grepped for LFS and nada.`
`02:41.17`	`Seb`	`scruffy: i dunno. We usually don't like tracking down custom kernel issues`
`02:41.25`	`abrotman`	`Seb: man doesn't mention it`
`02:41.30`	`welson`	`scruffy: you can also try cat /dev/disk >diskimg .. see if there's a difference..have you tried this method?`
`02:41.32`	`Seb`	`scruffy: if you come back to us, with the same problem while using a debian precompiled image, that'll be different :)`
`02:41.35`	`Seb`	`abrotman: really ?`
`02:41.39`	`muhoo`	`abrotman: nothing related to this problem anyway.`
`02:41.40`	`abrotman`	`Seb: check yourself!`
`02:41.49`	`sussudio`	`before you wreck yourself`
`02:41.53`	`Seb`	`fool`
`02:41.59`	`abrotman`	`muhoo: you checked the kernel ppacage and the acpi package ?`
`02:42.00`	`fbi`	`abrotman: maybe it's mentioned in the abrotman page!`
`02:42.01`	`welson`	`abrotman: spank him :)`
`02:42.19`	`abrotman`	`fbi: did you alias 'abrotman' to 'man' too ?`
`02:42.24`	`fbi`	`always!`
`02:42.39`	`abrotman`	`fbi: no .. there's a person in this channel who has done so`
`02:42.41`	`beardy`	`It's BUGS section is miles long.`
`02:42.42`	`Seb`	`abrotman: hrm I dunno then. I know I fond them somewhere.`
`02:42.48`	`Seb`	`found`
`02:43.11`	`welson`	`scruffy: don't listen to him, I get the same issue with konqueror over ssh on >2 gig files`
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`02:43.34`	`welson`	`scruffy: and my kernel is 2.6.13xx`
`02:44.21`	`muhoo`	`huh. all my acpi shit is showing up in /proc/acpi, not in /sys/devices/system/acpi`
`02:44.21`	`Seb`	`i was referring to a debian preconmpiled image, not to some specific version`
`02:44.54`	`scruffy`	`Seb: CONFIG_LBD=y (ctrl+f for CONFIG_LBD http://www.suse.de/~aj/linux_lfs.html). So I should be good to go, but apparently not so. :\`
`02:44.57`	`welson`	`scruffy: not just that he doesn't even know anything about communism ;-)`
`02:45.20`	`Seb`	`scruffy: did I mention trying a debian precompiled image ? I thought I did...`
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`02:45.37`	`abrotman`	`Seb: what a complicated program :)`
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`02:45.41`	`muhoo`	`frustrating! /proc/acpi/processor/CPU1/`
`02:45.43`	`Seb`	`scruffy: see, the debian kernel team takes a long ass time picking all the right options so you odn't have problems. Makes it easier for us to help you out, then`
`02:45.48`	`scruffy`	`Seb: :D okay, okay. Not going to happen, so I'll look into splitting it.`
`02:45.50`	`Seb`	`abrotman: :)`
`02:45.53`	`muhoo`	`/proc/acpi/processor/CPU1/info says throttling is available too`
`02:46.05`	`Seb`	`scruffy: your call`
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`02:46.12`	`amphi`	`muhoo: what processor?`
`02:46.16`	`beardy`	`scruffy: What do you have against precompiled kernels?`
`02:46.24`	`muhoo`	`amphi: CPU Model : Duron (Morgan core) [A1] , Family: 6 Model: 7 Stepping: 1`
`02:46.43`	`muhoo`	`and /proc/acpi/processor/CPU1/throttling shows all the wonderful throttling states available too!`
`02:46.47`	`Seb`	`beardy: that's how you learn, compiling your own. NAd recompiling it, And again. Until you end up in here bugging us cause you forgot some obvious option ;)`
`02:46.56`	`amphi`	`muhoo: does throttling for them have kernel support?`
`02:47.05`	`muhoo`	`now all i need is to be able to get powernowd to set the things`
`02:47.24`	`scruffy`	`beardy: nothing, I just had to do it a long time ago for SCSI support and I've been doing it every since. I do realize they may be better. At once time I was using a floppy for booting also.`
`02:47.29`	`muhoo`	`amphi: it should. all the correct kernel options are set and apparently the powernow-k8 is the right module to load`
`02:47.43`	`scruffy`	`s/once/one/`
`02:47.44`	`muhoo`	`amphi: except that powernow-k8 nor powernow-k7 will load! claims "No such device"`
`02:47.47`	`muhoo`	`frustrating.`
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`02:48.32`	`abrotman`	`muhoo: do you know which device it's looking for ?`
`02:48.34`	`stew`	`muhoo: you really shouldn't expect too much from an experimental kernel option in a kernel from debian experimental in a development kernel branch`
`02:48.38`	`muhoo`	`abrotman: i wish, really wish i did`
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`02:48.52`	`muhoo`	`stew: the option isn't experimental`
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`02:49.04`	`abrotman`	`muhoo: strace is no hlep ?`
`02:49.07`	`stew`	`muhoo: yeah it is, and it was just barely added before 2.6.12 was released`
`02:49.09`	`sess`	`what are the latest kde debs?`
`02:49.18`	`muhoo`	`2.6 is development?`
`02:49.37`	`muhoo`	`i thought the development branches were odd numbers (i.e. 2.7) has been for years, no?`
`02:49.45`	`abrotman`	`they changed it`
`02:49.48`	`muhoo`	`no. shit.`
`02:49.50`	`abrotman`	`it's all developement now! :)`
`02:49.54`	`gravity`	`Sadly true`
`02:50.24`	`welson`	`hey, can the 'latest stable' label on the kernel.org site really be trusted?`
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`02:50.30`	`abrotman`	`muhoo: basically .. anyone who downloads the newest 2.6.x is gambling with thier data`
`02:50.40`	`muhoo`	`welson: i just go to ftp.kernel.org :-)`
`02:50.46`	`stew`	`X86_POWERNOW_K8: Depends on: !X86_VOYAGER && CPU_FREQ && EXPERIMENTAL`
`02:50.54`	`Dagmar`	`What does one have to do to get the output of dpkg -l into a file that isn't truncated to 80 column width?`
`02:51.02`	`muhoo`	`stew: ah i see. it's the k7 that's not experimental`
`02:51.07`	`beardy`	`Seb: Yeah :), I've done it too. (Hopefully not complaining here when I forgot something :) ) One the box I have with me now I run a stock kernel though, that works fine.`
`02:51.14`	`abrotman`	`Dagmar: export COLUMNS=200 ?`
`02:51.14`	`ssn21`	`welson, if you trust your isp`
`02:51.14`	`amphi`	`Dagmar: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l`
`02:51.16`	`muhoo`	`fuck`
`02:51.30`	`Dagmar`	`Ahh... Danke! That variable wasn't mentioned anywhere I was looking`
`02:51.30`	`abrotman`	`muhoo: not in the channel!`
`02:51.43`	`muhoo`	`well i've owned this CPU for 2 years now. i'd be shocked if the powernow driver for it is experimental!`
`02:52.09`	`beardy`	`muhoo: You'll be shocked many times from now on.`
`02:53.07`	`abrotman`	`why?`
`02:53.19`	`abrotman`	`yay .. rain!`
`02:53.28`	`muhoo`	`actually, this is the newest one in my stable of machines. almost every other machine i have is from 1999 or 1998.`
`02:53.52`	`beardy`	`muhoo: You don't have to do that, only check if it's supported before buying new hardware.`
`02:54.12`	`muhoo`	`beardy: i guess you're right. now that i think of it, the audio driver on my 1999 vaio laptop is still experimental.`
`02:54.17`	`nvz`	`its been raining here for days`
`02:54.20`	`ssn21`	`muhoo, hehe, s/powernow/slapnow`
`02:54.28`	`abrotman`	`nvz: how is seattle ?`
`02:54.30`	`muhoo`	`ssn21: did i buy something stupid?`
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`02:54.41`	`nvz`	`my weather applet says 36degF I am putting on layers :P`
`02:54.43`	`ssn21`	`muhoo, not sure`
`02:54.50`	`noir`	`ok, hello everyone`
`02:54.54`	`abrotman`	`nvz: snow!`
`02:54.56`	`nvz`	`abrotman: ask your mom, we are on vacation :P`
`02:55.08`	`Daveman`	`rofl`
`02:55.12`	`abrotman`	`nvz: you dn't want to be where she is`
`02:55.13`	`noir`	`where can i get some info about soundcard config, but real config`
`02:55.25`	`Daveman`	`nvz, you sissy ;)`
`02:55.27`	`nvz`	`abrotman: probably not.`
`02:55.29`	`welson`	`noir: alsa's site`
`02:55.31`	`abrotman`	`nvz: ME`
`02:55.31`	`beardy`	`!alsa 2.6`
`02:55.31`	`dpkg`	`On Sarge with a 2.6 kernel, to use ALSA, apt-get install alsa-utils discover1. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit.`
`02:55.32`	`nvz`	`Daveman: he started it`
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`02:55.46`	`beardy`	`noir: ^^ what dpkg said was for you`
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`02:56.03`	`muhoo`	`i guess i do find it surprising that ACPI is still fucked up after so many years of development.`
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`02:56.16`	`nvz`	`Daveman: he said his mom lives across the street from me`
`02:56.22`	`abrotman`	`muhoo: hhhahahahahahHAHAHAHhahha`
`02:56.26`	`welson`	`noir: upon that, you may require timidity for midim, and a .asoundrc file in ~ (an .asoundrc file is explain on the alsa site)`
`02:56.34`	`noir`	`alsa, ok, and how can i unload the oss modules, its done by default with alsaconf?`
`02:56.43`	`welson`	`noir: s/midim/midi`
`02:56.45`	`ssn21`	`...`
`02:56.46`	`muhoo`	`abrotman: why the mad-scientist laugh?`
`02:56.55`	`beardy`	`noir: IIRC they are yes.`
`02:57.01`	`abrotman`	`!acpi`
`02:57.01`	`dpkg`	`hmm... acpi is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/`
`02:57.18`	`muhoo`	`heh`
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`02:57.34`	`noir`	`ok, thank again`
`02:57.39`	`beardy`	`Every BIOS is different and so on, so no wonder acpi is broken.`
`02:57.41`	`noir`	`c u later`
`02:57.50`	`eXa_bOy`	`i wanna install the java runtime which package is the right one from apt?`
`02:58.00`	`beardy`	`eXa_bOy: /topic`
`02:58.01`	`ssn21`	`beardy, even in windows xp`
`02:58.33`	`muhoo`	`well, is there any escape hatch? i remember there being some reason i couldn't/shouldn't run APM on this CPU, but i don't recall what it was exactly.`
`02:58.37`	`welson`	`!java`
`02:58.37`	`dpkg`	`methinks java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>.`
`02:59.00`	`bucky`	`gates is going to fix the bios.. for the sake of standards and compatability`
`02:59.08`	`welson`	`~tell eXa_bOy about install java`
`02:59.20`	`muhoo`	`IIRC the cpufreq stuff does not require ACPI`
`02:59.20`	`Daveman`	`nvz: :o`
`02:59.22`	`beardy`	`bucky: ?`
`02:59.28`	`Daveman`	`nvz: better watch out then ;)`
`02:59.33`	`ssn21`	`muhoo, multi-processor`
`02:59.35`	`muhoo`	`nor does even the broken powernow stuff`
`02:59.36`	`bucky`	`the new XP bios`
`02:59.40`	`muhoo`	`ssn21: mine's a uni.`
`02:59.42`	`bucky`	`or vista`
`02:59.45`	`welson`	`dam`
`02:59.48`	`welson`	`!install java`
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`02:59.48`	`dpkg`	`First, read <java licensing>. Still here? Install the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about java-package.`
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`03:00.04`	`Strider`	`dpkg: THANKS. I just searched through all the boxes from moving office and found the rescue disk, ran lilo and it automagically put in large disk support. thanks. Chomp, chomp`
`03:00.07`	`ssn21`	`muhoo, so apm is so so fine`
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`03:00.19`	`abrotman`	`dpkg: love Strider`
`03:00.28`	`eXa_bOy`	`lol`
`03:00.35`	`muhoo`	`!botsex`
`03:00.35`	`dpkg`	`Ok! Drop your pants and bend over!, or http://www.scoutwalker.com/`
`03:00.38`	`Strider`	`hmmmm.`
`03:00.38`	`beardy`	`bucky: So how come there hasn't been such at thing the last 20 years?`
`03:00.49`	`bucky`	`it's new`
`03:00.51`	`muhoo`	`i'm afraid to visit that link.`
`03:01.06`	`debeast`	`anyone an expert in iptables ???`
`03:01.12`	`ke6isf`	`!anyone`
`03:01.12`	`dpkg`	`Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>`
`03:01.16`	`muhoo`	`!expert`
`03:01.16`	`dpkg`	`an expert is someone who knows at least 1% more about a subject than youself. an "ex"-- someone who used to know what he was talking about, and "spurt", a big drip...well, perhaps an ex is someone who lives in Texas`
`03:01.20`	`beardy`	`bucky: If any manufacturer wanted such crap they could have still have had BASIC roms instead of BIOS:es.`
`03:01.21`	`abrotman`	`#iptables , netfilter.org , lartc.org ?`
`03:01.32`	`eXa_bOy`	`er... java-package doesnt exist?`
`03:01.43`	`abrotman`	`yes it does`
`03:01.52`	`abrotman`	`!info java-package sarge`
`03:01.54`	`debeast`	`thanks i needed a good bot beating`
`03:01.57`	`dpkg`	`java-package: (utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 0.24 (sarge), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 264 kB`
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`03:02.04`	`abrotman`	`eXa_bOy: notice .. contrib`
`03:02.12`	`eXa_bOy`	`yeah ..`
`03:02.18`	`fbi`	`bot beating. that's golden.`
`03:02.23`	`beardy`	`!contrib`
`03:02.23`	`dpkg`	`contrib is probably debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free packages To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing\|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need contrib on the end.`
`03:02.25`	`ssn21`	`beardy, s/basic/linux`
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`03:03.02`	`muhoo`	`i'm surprised they didn't put a bit more NLP into the bot, and let it just parse out questions and answer them directly`
`03:03.03`	`sencompas`	`Hello everyone... how is #debian today?`
`03:03.03`	`bucky`	`beardy, Microsoft moves to integrate Windows with BIOS http://tinyurl.com/pnli`
`03:03.07`	`welson`	`eXa_bOy: y, it actually is confusing, because there were competition for making optimized java packages, you can download sun's and use the java-package to run build-scripts to install sun's java for the system`
`03:03.12`	`debeast`	`i need to deny all but to mac addresses access to my router can i get a quick howto`
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`03:03.26`	`ssn21`	`beardy, it would boot fast as a risc pc`
`03:03.38`	`beardy`	`ssn21: No. Some Microsoft labeled shit ROM:s more likely.`
`03:03.44`	`welson`	`eXa_bOy: i don't think it compiles the latest sun though, last time i tried, just to let u know..`
`03:03.56`	`muhoo`	`ssn21: so, my BIOS has only one option "ACPI aware OS?" i guess if i set that, i'm in APM land`
`03:04.05`	`Strider`	`debeast: what manufacturer`
`03:04.07`	`muhoo`	`s/set/unset/`
`03:04.09`	`eXa_bOy`	`welson is there a deb java package already out there at all?`
`03:04.15`	`welson`	`eXa_bOy: (compiling as in the sense the builder scripts work on the sun's tarball)`
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`03:04.21`	`beardy`	`bucky: Then I guess it's time to leave x86 to rust.`
`03:04.23`	`ssn21`	`beardy, really? O.O when?`
`03:04.32`	`debeast`	`iam runing busy box on a linksys router so i have to configure it with ip tables`
`03:04.35`	`bucky`	`if they get away with it`
`03:04.51`	`abrotman`	`it works so well`
`03:05.01`	`beardy`	`ssn21: I'm just talking, to bucky.`
`03:05.06`	`welson`	`eXa_bOy: maybe on apt-get.org, but I ever touch that site..`
`03:05.07`	`gravity`	`I don't miss the Mac hardware, but then, it was a long time ago that I ran a Mac`
`03:05.29`	`sencompas`	`lots of mac hardware now it pc too`
`03:05.33`	`eXa_bOy`	`ok so you recomend me downloading the latest JRE and then use the java-package to do the rest?`
`03:05.35`	`sencompas`	`or vise veersa`
`03:05.39`	`beardy`	`Or just don't get any new x86 hardware, what exists now is fast enough for 10-15 years.`
`03:05.41`	`ssn21`	`muhoo, my acpi is much better than in xp`
`03:05.46`	`muhoo`	`apple is moving to x86, which is a smart business move, but frightening from a technical standpoint`
`03:05.59`	`sencompas`	`not x86 persay`
`03:05.59`	`debeast`	`strider did you catch that`
`03:06.04`	`sencompas`	`we don't know yet`
`03:06.04`	`welson`	`eXa_bOy: what you want is the run-time, but I think that dam sunny always bundles their netbeans making it a huge download`
`03:06.17`	`muhoo`	`ssn21: hm? acpi on linux is better than xp?`
`03:06.33`	`sencompas`	`muhoo it can be if you are very lucky`
`03:06.44`	`ssn21`	`muhoo, anything beside xp ;)`
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`03:07.05`	`muhoo`	`does M$FT use ACPI in their OSen?`
`03:07.07`	`beardy`	`bucky: Why not just throw away the BIOS, instead of "intergrating" it into the os? It is not needed then.`
`03:07.08`	`abrotman`	`have any of you used a mixandburn station ?`
`03:07.30`	`sencompas`	`how do I make a program automaticly run when I log in?`
`03:07.32`	`muhoo`	`sun/apple did it right IMHO`
`03:07.35`	`beardy`	`sencompas: ~.bashrc`
`03:07.43`	`beardy`	`sencompas: ~/.bashrc`
`03:07.47`	`sencompas`	`hmm, ok`
`03:07.48`	`abrotman`	`apple?`
`03:07.50`	`sencompas`	`thanks'`
`03:07.51`	`muhoo`	`never liked forth much, but having an interpreter for a bios was sweet.`
`03:07.53`	`abrotman`	`sun :)`
`03:07.55`	`bucky`	`beardy that's why there was a move to an open source bios... but i agree with you`
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`03:08.09`	`ssn21`	`ohhhh, open firmware.... no more java bios.........`
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`03:08.32`	`bucky`	`beardy, http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/free-bios.html`
`03:08.33`	`sencompas`	`and I just add a line to the end of the file?`
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`03:08.52`	`muhoo`	`either apple or sun called it openfirmware, i don't recall which.`
`03:08.56`	`muhoo`	`but both used it.`
`03:08.57`	`welson`	`ssn21: if you're even good, you might end up calling yourself a mactel administrator :)`
`03:09.06`	`beardy`	`sencompas: Yes. With a nice little comment above it if you want to remember when and why you added it, but that's up to you.`
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`03:09.16`	`bucky`	`beardy, it centers around trusted computing`
`03:09.16`	`sencompas`	`haha, thanks`
`03:09.19`	`abrotman`	`eeprom for sparc iirc`
`03:09.34`	`ssn21`	`welson, ?`
`03:09.40`	`eXa_bOy`	`the only download on that page the bot recommends to download is the J2EE 1.4 is that correct?`
`03:09.46`	`beardy`	`bucky: Trust No One :)`
`03:09.47`	`welson`	`ssn21: (mac on intel-- running here :)`
`03:09.51`	`bucky`	`haha`
`03:10.00`	`ssn21`	`welson, #$#!@#$`
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`03:10.15`	`ssn21`	`welson, macvia`
`03:10.28`	`welson`	`ssn21: it's on my laptop pcgk33q-- I devoted a partition for it-- it took me two weeks`
`03:10.29`	`sencompas`	`oh very nice.... thanks guys`
`03:10.44`	`welson`	`ssn21: it's also illegal which makes me kinda..proud :)`
`03:10.59`	`sencompas`	`now is there a way to make my computer do something when it logs out too?`
`03:11.09`	`welson`	`so I can get handson experience of course, only for educational uses.`
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`03:11.13`	`beardy`	`sencompas: ~/.bash_logout`
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`03:11.21`	`sencompas`	`heh`
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`03:11.25`	`debeast`	`can i filter mac addresses with ip tables`
`03:11.43`	`welson`	`eXa_bOy: no, that one is for business`
`03:11.51`	`sencompas`	`and if the file doesn't exist... jsut make one?`
`03:12.04`	`abrotman`	`debeast: #iptables`
`03:12.07`	`beardy`	`sencompas: (If you are running bash, that is.)`
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`03:12.12`	`eXa_bOy`	`aah shit too many JRE, SDK, J2EE, JSE and shit... gaaaaaaaaaaa`
`03:12.16`	`sencompas`	`yes`
`03:12.18`	`welson`	`eXa_bOy: you'd better ask someone with higher ground, I haven't had time to fully try one out`
`03:12.20`	`debeast`	`why not thanx ne way g night`
`03:12.22`	`muhoo`	`welson: huh? how did you get osx running on a via?`
`03:12.23`	`gravity`	`This is why java sucks`
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`03:12.31`	`gravity`	`Among other reasons`
`03:12.32`	`twb`	`Hi! How do I become an official developer? I'm tired of needing to find a sponsor to dupload for me.`
`03:12.32`	`eXa_bOy`	`thanks welson`
`03:12.34`	`fbi`	`this is why i don't use java.`
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`03:12.48`	`eXa_bOy`	`i sure as hell aint learning C :P`
`03:12.50`	`beardy`	`!nm`
`03:12.51`	`dpkg`	`[nm] New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen. And also nevermind, or a program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. at http://nm.debian.org/`
`03:12.51`	`gravity`	`twb: nm.debian.org`
`03:12.54`	`abrotman`	`i htink it smells bad .. i even avoid that aisle at the grocery store`
`03:12.56`	`ScOrPiO-druid-Wa`	`hi`
`03:13.00`	`twb`	`gravity: much obliged.`
`03:13.06`	`gravity`	`twb: No problem`
`03:13.25`	`ScOrPiO-druid-Wa`	`<y first time to use Linux is today and i dut know shiot`
`03:13.37`	`abrotman`	`you kids have fun :)`
`03:13.44`	`beardy`	`Your nicks already says that.`
`03:13.50`	`beardy`	`-s`
`03:13.51`	`dpower`	`hahah`
`03:13.51`	`muhoo`	`ok, kernel.org says The latest stable version is 2.6.13.4 , which is what i've got :-P`
`03:13.51`	`ssn21`	`C++ >>>>>>> C,java.... always`
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`03:14.05`	`amphi`	`muhoo: 'stable' snort`
`03:14.08`	`gravity`	`ssn21: Uh... no.`
`03:14.09`	`muhoo`	`so i am not using the latest`
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`03:14.26`	`twb`	`Active-object based OO languages all suck.`
`03:14.28`	`welson`	`ssn21: I think you may have something sort of a niche for non-objective C?`
`03:14.33`	`twb`	`So does static typing.`
`03:14.43`	`muhoo`	`amphi: ok, in between snorts, can you tell me what version of 2.6 you think is really stable?`
`03:14.54`	`muhoo`	`because i'd really like to use it.`
`03:15.01`	`beardy`	`Hmm, what's that good new user factoid that contains both some link to unix lessons and the reference?`
`03:15.07`	`amphi`	`muhoo: I'm on 2.6.11.12 which seems to work ok`
`03:15.12`	`twb`	`beardy: the RUTE user tutorial?`
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`03:15.37`	`ssn21`	`welson, C++ can do anything`
`03:15.37`	`amphi`	`ScOrPiO-druid-Wa: there's a 'using linux' book at tldp.org`
`03:15.37`	`muhoo`	`hmm. that seems to be what ac is working on.`
`03:15.39`	`beardy`	`twb: No, but perhaps that's good too.`
`03:15.42`	`gjuntao`	`alien WyabdcRealPeopleTTS-1.0-1.noarch.rpm`
`03:15.42`	`welson`	`beardy: get a quecorp, o'reilly is good too`
`03:15.42`	`gjuntao`	`-su: alien: command not found`
`03:15.43`	`muhoo`	`fair enough.`
`03:15.47`	`ssn21`	`welson, C++ is the god`
`03:15.55`	`debeast`	`there is no one home in #iptables`
`03:15.57`	`beardy`	`welson: I mean a factoid in dpkg.`
`03:15.57`	`debeast`	`uggh`
`03:15.58`	`muhoo`	`C--`
`03:15.59`	`sencompas`	`assembly is the god`
`03:16.03`	`ssn21`	`welson, in any way`
`03:16.07`	`welson`	`ssn21: Objective-C <-- you missed this one`
`03:16.09`	`sencompas`	`c++ is the wife of the god`
`03:16.12`	`twb`	`Forth beats assembly.`
`03:16.17`	`ScOrPiO-druid-Wa`	`how do i install RPMS :S`
`03:16.27`	`twb`	`ScOrPiO-druid-Wa: with alien(1).`
`03:16.31`	`sencompas`	`forthy?`
`03:16.34`	`debeast`	`be a real man program in machine code`
`03:16.34`	`sencompas`	`forth?`
`03:16.38`	`welson`	`ScOrPiO-druid-Wa: dpkg -i #rpm`
`03:16.39`	`ssn21`	`welson, Obj-C is good but...`
`03:16.40`	`donleykicker`	`need some idea plz: I've got a fresh Debian install with sshd enabled... syslog tells me sshd is listening on port 22, netstat -ap verifies this, and ssh u@localhost works, but I can't connect from another box on the network. I can ping the server from the other box though. Any ideas?`
`03:16.40`	`amphi`	`INTERCAL`
`03:16.41`	`twb`	`ScOrPiO-druid-Wa: but it probably won't work, because rpm packages are sloppy.`
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`03:17.01`	`beardy`	`ScOrPiO-druid-Wa: You don't.`
`03:17.09`	`twb`	`donleykicker: as root, or a normal user?`
`03:17.11`	`beardy`	`!unix lessons`
`03:17.11`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you ...`
`03:17.14`	`beardy`	`!reference`
`03:17.14`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, reference is The Debian Reference. Will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual.`
`03:17.22`	`sencompas`	`donleykicker what box is trying to log in?`
`03:17.24`	`ScOrPiO-druid-Wa`	`I don't any thing so im Lost on what u just said i Ditched MS today fuck MS`
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`03:17.39`	`donleykicker`	`both root or other uer time out`
`03:17.40`	`ssn21`	`s/MS/M$`
`03:17.51`	`ssn21`	`MS = Mobile Suit`
`03:17.51`	`donleykicker`	`I can ping the "server" from the "client"`
`03:17.53`	`twb`	`ScOrPiO-druid-Wa: indeed. What version of Debian are you using?`
`03:17.58`	`welson`	`beardy: most asses will omit the fact that using your webbrowser to /usr/share/doc for many linux distros`
`03:18.00`	`ScOrPiO-druid-Wa`	`can a windows APP be used on linux ?`
`03:18.06`	`dampjam`	`I just mounted an NFS directory but its uids/gids do not map up, is there a way to create one level of abstraction and define the mappings in a separate file?`
`03:18.13`	`twb`	`ScOrPiO-druid-Wa: not without a lot of work.`
`03:18.19`	`debeast`	`iam reading the ip table manual however it's a little long to get to the section i need in the next 15 minutes`
`03:18.20`	`twb`	`ScOrPiO-druid-Wa: or non-free software.`
`03:18.24`	`gjuntao`	`Need to get 1590kB of archives.`
`03:18.25`	`gjuntao`	`After unpacking 5083kB of additional disk space will be used.`
`03:18.25`	`gjuntao`	`Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y`
`03:18.25`	`sencompas`	`soundlike what I had, windows firewall was blocking me... but I don{t have an answer otherwise....`
`03:18.26`	`Strider`	`debeast: http://www.hackdiary.com/archives/000012.html`
`03:18.33`	`muhoo`	`the real trick to unix was, instead of throwing up annoying dialog boxes, you had to tail -f /var/log/messages instead. took about 10 minutes before i decided never to go back.`
`03:18.33`	`ScOrPiO-druid-Wa`	`were are the games for linux?`
`03:18.35`	`sencompas`	`you could take down all firewalls and try it then`
`03:18.39`	`twb`	`ScOrPiO-druid-Wa: What version of Debian are you using?`
`03:18.45`	`welson`	`beardy: from there it's how you move around in bash, if you want a good hand, use help <smthing_in_bash> and man bash`
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`03:18.50`	`ScOrPiO-druid-Wa`	`Ubuntu 5.10`
`03:18.54`	`donleykicker`	`k good idea sencompas, let me check my windows firewall`
`03:18.54`	`amphi`	`ScOrPiO-druid-Wa: apt-get install bsdgames`
`03:18.58`	`twb`	`ScOrPiO-druid-Wa: ooh, you're for it now.`
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`03:19.12`	`amphi`	`ScOrPiO-druid-Wa: /j #ubuntu now ;)`
`03:19.13`	`beardy`	`ScOrPiO-druid-Wa: Which ditribution of GNU/linux are you running now?`
`03:19.14`	`sencompas`	`grr Ubuntu is not debian to me`
`03:19.20`	`donleykicker`	`no, the firewall is turned off`
`03:19.23`	`twb`	`sencompas: hear hear.`
`03:19.28`	`fbi`	`it's not Debian to anyone.`
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`03:19.45`	`muhoo`	`mentioning ubuntu or knoppix around here makes people cranky`
`03:19.52`	`beardy`	`ScOrPiO-druid-Wa: Then join the #ubuntu channel, on this network. The people there will help you.`
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`03:19.57`	`twb`	`If Ubuntu is Debian then Linux is System V.`
`03:20.05`	`sencompas`	`donleykicker nmap your linux box and see what ports are showing`
`03:20.18`	`welson`	`beardy: mind me saying tkman is the factoid! :)`
`03:20.19`	`sencompas`	`haha`
`03:20.33`	`muhoo`	`heh. i read donleykicker as donkeylicker`
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`03:20.37`	`ssn21`	`Linux is more POSIX style`
`03:20.41`	`twb`	`muhoo: I was about to say that.`
`03:20.42`	`sencompas`	`muhoo you are asd little man`
`03:20.45`	`sencompas`	`sad`
`03:20.50`	`foo`	`haha`
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`03:20.54`	`Firefishe`	`Q. What did one pseudo-debian user baseball player say to the other pseudo-debian user baseball player when both had to strive for less-than-a-home-run when they stepped up to the plate? A. Ubuntu?`
`03:20.59`	`beardy`	`welson: no such thing, what do you mean?`
`03:21.10`	`welson`	`beardy: apt-get install tkman`
`03:21.15`	`sencompas`	`bp`
`03:21.29`	`ssn21`	`blahblah bsd,sysv,posix...`
`03:21.30`	`beardy`	`welson: I don't run X, and that's not a factoid.`
`03:21.35`	`twb`	`Firefishe: real hackers don't play team sports.`
`03:21.36`	`sencompas`	`Why did the programmer call his mother long distance`
`03:21.36`	`welson`	`beardy: if it doesn't show up in the gui menu, use k-menu/g-menu /run 'tkman'`
`03:21.38`	`sencompas`	`?`
`03:21.48`	`beardy`	`welson: What are you talking about?`
`03:21.59`	`ssn21`	`the system-7 unix is the best !!!`
`03:21.59`	`welson`	`beardy: i'm talking about manual pages`
`03:22.16`	`beardy`	`welson: Well, how nice :) I'm not.`
`03:22.16`	`muhoo`	`1: "I just volunteered helping an African ribe, and met a great girl there?" 2: "Ubangi?" 1: "You betcha!"`
`03:22.17`	`Firefishe`	`twb: LOL`
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`03:22.21`	`welson`	`beardy: tkman in the gui, 'man' command in an xterm (dos-box)`
`03:22.25`	`sencompas`	`cause that was her name!`
`03:22.27`	`sencompas`	`bla`
`03:22.36`	`donleykicker`	`sencompas- nmap says that ssh is listening on port 22`
`03:22.43`	`beardy`	`welson: FFS, don�t you think I know what a manual page is, do you want to insult me?`
`03:22.49`	`muhoo`	`1: "I went to India and had some great food" 2: "New Delhi?" 1: "Naw, it's been there for years"`
`03:23.01`	`stew`	`nmap has no way of telling what is listening on a port`
`03:23.04`	`Firefishe`	`lol muhoo`
`03:23.11`	`fbi`	`is this lame joke hour?`
`03:23.13`	`fbi`	`!lol`
`03:23.13`	`dpkg`	`If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.`
`03:23.22`	`welson`	`beardy: I'm not insulting-- I thought you said you were newb-- and if this your opinion of things, fine`
`03:23.35`	`donleykicker`	`stew- ok it says port 22 is open, service ssh`
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`03:23.49`	`sencompas`	`gosh... I am stumped`
`03:23.50`	`beardy`	`welson: No, I looked for a factoid to help that long-nicked new user that ran Ubuntu.`
`03:23.51`	`donleykicker`	`netstat -ap tells me its sshd`
`03:23.54`	`sencompas`	`works for me`
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`03:24.05`	`donleykicker`	`yeah, I'm really pulling my hair out`
`03:24.06`	`sencompas`	`sorry`
`03:24.11`	`fbi`	`donleykicker: what exactly happens when you try and connect, it sounds like you're having an issue with dns (if it tries to connect and times out after like two minutes)`
`03:24.14`	`welson`	`beardy: why, is he paying your ass for it?`
`03:24.18`	`ssn21`	`what's the different of bwahahaha?`
`03:24.28`	`dli`	`during installation, how do I make sure the data on one partition is perserved?`
`03:24.37`	`muhoo`	`bwahahah is a mad scientist laugh. like muuuaaaahahahahhaa!`
`03:24.44`	`donleykicker`	`fhi- well, I'm connecting using the ip address and the connection times out`
`03:24.44`	`muhoo`	`think dr. evil.`
`03:24.48`	`ssn21`	`why not wahaha?`
`03:24.52`	`sencompas`	`or me with a lisp thwahahaha`
`03:24.52`	`dli`	`can I keep "do not use"?`
`03:24.54`	`fbi`	`dli: select 'do not use'`
`03:24.54`	`beardy`	`welson: You are going for an ignore, I thoght you'd been here for a long time, but perhaps I confuse you with someone else.`
`03:25.03`	`dli`	`fbi: thanks :)`
`03:25.08`	`fbi`	`no problem.`
`03:25.32`	`debeast`	`that sux the iptables link is broken`
`03:25.37`	`welson`	`beardy: tell him to use google.com/linux and to rtfm`
`03:25.45`	`ssn21`	`Am I in the #comic?`
`03:25.54`	`fbi`	`debeast: 63 users in #iptables`
`03:25.57`	`beardy`	`welson: Stop trolling.`
`03:26.12`	`debeast`	`yeah and excluding me 82`
`03:26.12`	`sencompas`	`how do a right a last line to a file with cat...?`
`03:26.14`	`dondelelcaro`	`use /ignore already, please.`
`03:26.22`	`dondelelcaro`	`sencompas: use tail`
`03:26.23`	`eXa_bOy`	`i dont understand this command : fakeroot make-jpkg jre--linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i .deb;`
`03:26.28`	`amphi`	`sencompas: cat foo >> bar`
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`03:26.36`	`fbi`	`debeast: so when you leave, 20 users re-join?`
`03:26.37`	`beardy`	`dondelelcaro: I apologize.`
`03:26.40`	`welson`	`beardy: you're ignorance-- You''re'' insulting.`
`03:26.47`	`sencompas`	`how do I right just a line to the end of a file..?`
`03:26.56`	`amphi`	`sencompas: cat foo >> bar`
`03:27.08`	`amphi`	`sencompas: 'foo' being the line`
`03:27.12`	`dondelelcaro`	`welson: if you need to argue, go elsewhere, otherwise you will be devoiced.`
`03:27.16`	`stew`	`amphi: you mean echo`
`03:27.25`	`amphi`	`stew: I do`
`03:27.30`	`eXa_bOy`	`anyone help me out?`
`03:27.30`	`sencompas`	`echo, yes`
`03:27.40`	`sencompas`	`ok so echo foo >> bar?'`
`03:27.41`	`stew`	`eXa_bOy: which part don't you understand?`
`03:27.47`	`dondelelcaro`	`eXa_bOy: it's using fakeroot to make a .deb, then isntalling it.`
`03:27.49`	`amphi`	`sencompas: sorry, echo 'foo foo' >> bar`
`03:27.56`	`sencompas`	`ok cool`
`03:27.58`	`sencompas`	`thanks`
`03:28.04`	`stew`	`sencompas: >> means apped to`
`03:28.08`	`dli`	`eXa_bOy, say, you save the jre.bin at your home dir, you type "cd", and then, "fakeroot make-jpkg jre.bin"`
`03:28.08`	`stew`	`append*`
`03:28.21`	`eXa_bOy`	`er.. well for that make-jpkg will i need to install something ?`
`03:28.25`	`ssn21`	`s/hime/him`
`03:28.32`	`eXa_bOy`	`thanks dli`
`03:28.38`	`dondelelcaro`	`eXa_bOy: yes, you'll need java-package.`
`03:28.41`	`welson`	`dondelelcaro: I was offering help, about manpages, so I explained it to him, and said I was insulting him-- he has a shy attitude but no preservance`
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`03:29.00`	`eXa_bOy`	`apt-get install java-package says it doesnt exist`
`03:29.12`	`stew`	`eXa_bOy: its in contrib, /msg dpkg contrib`
`03:29.14`	`dondelelcaro`	`welson: that's no excuse for insulting people or getting into an argument; if there's a problem, just use /ignore.`
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`03:29.45`	`welson`	`dondelelcaro: i'm talking to him -- I know when not to get into an argument..trust me :)`
`03:29.58`	`welson`	`dondelelcaro: or am I not? (i'm not pstt)`
`03:30.08`	`muhoo`	`amphi: is your 2.6.11.12 a debian kernel or a kernel.org kernel?`
`03:30.19`	`dondelelcaro`	`welson: I wouldn't have pointed it out to you otherwise.`
`03:30.20`	`amphi`	`muhoo: kernel.org`
`03:30.31`	`muhoo`	`ok then that's what i'll try next`
`03:30.41`	`muhoo`	`or should i try APM first? hmm.`
`03:30.47`	`amphi`	`muhoo: make-kpkg is your friend`
`03:30.54`	`beardy`	`welson: I didn't ask for that help, you misunderstood the whole situation and what I was asking for, and for what purpose.`
`03:30.57`	`muhoo`	`amphi: been using it for 4 years now :-)`
`03:31.05`	`amphi`	`muhoo: ;)`
`03:31.09`	`welson`	`dondelelcaro: what is an argument? a non-discussion; it is fire 2 fire where there is just an annoyance in front of all debian users like me-- so I know..`
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`03:31.28`	`amphi`	`muhoo: yeah, I can hardly remember where bzImage appears...`
`03:31.42`	`muhoo`	`my favourite was "piggy"`
`03:31.43`	`eXa_bOy`	`adding contrib to the end of my source wont fk anything up yeah?`
`03:32.37`	`dondelelcaro`	`eXa_bOy: no, you'll just have packages that depend on things that are non-free.`
`03:32.43`	`stew`	`eXa_bOy: no it won't. contrib is simply free software that depends on non-free software. in this case java is the non-free software`
`03:33.05`	`amphi`	`eXa_bOy: it may piss off vrms`
`03:33.12`	`sencompas`	`What file do I change to make the user use only the rssh shell instead of bash?`
`03:33.27`	`dli`	`sencompas, /etc/passwd`
`03:33.36`	`sencompas`	`dli thanks`
`03:33.36`	`stew`	`sencompas: man chsh`
`03:34.01`	`sencompas`	`umm, I guess I will check both`
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`03:34.16`	`welson`	`sencompas: and omit the use of chsh for users`
`03:34.31`	`beardy`	`sencompas: Start with what stew said.`
`03:34.50`	`sencompas`	`ok'`
`03:35.01`	`sencompas`	`so I would just type rssh for the bash?`
`03:36.06`	`welson`	`eXa_bOy: you found an apt source?`
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`03:39.51`	`stew`	`sencompas: /usr/bin/rssh`
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`03:41.34`	`Drunken_Irony`	`Hi bitches!`
`03:41.41`	`Drunken_Irony`	`I had sex with a goat last night!`
`03:41.57`	`beardy`	`!ops Drunken_Irony`
`03:41.58`	`ryanium`	`=(`
`03:41.58`	`dpkg`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: Drunken_Irony`
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`03:42.15`	`itp560`	`i use sarge and how can I OpenOffice2 ?`
`03:42.19`	`sencompas`	`Drunken_Irony umm, I think this channel likes to have fun but, I say we dump this guy`
`03:42.33`	`eXa_bOy`	`lol`
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`03:42.53`	`amphi`	`itp560: with great difficulty, I believe - it depends on newer versions of gnome libs than are in sarge, I believe`
`03:43.00`	`fbi`	`what a jackass. if i had sex with a goat, i wouldn't tell _anyone_.`
`03:43.10`	`eXa_bOy`	`lol`
`03:43.12`	`sencompas`	`lol`
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`03:43.30`	`Xenguy`	`.oO(these freeks can only pwn so many boxen)`
`03:43.35`	`sencompas`	`if I had sex with a goat, I wouldn't be smart enough to be in irc`
`03:44.25`	`eXa_bOy`	`if you had sex with a goat, you wouldnt need a computer.`
`03:44.34`	`sencompas`	`ha`
`03:45.05`	`sencompas`	`he is certainly loging in without a keyboard`
`03:45.23`	`Firefishe`	`I have installed all of the files I can think of, but I still do not have sound in either xine or totem. I have dvd video playback, that's it.`
`03:45.25`	`dli`	`for a nfs server, should portmap be bounded to 127.0.0.1?`
`03:45.34`	`eXa_bOy`	`im wondering what he actually did last night? probably got raped by a pack of fat whores and is trying to hide the truth.`
`03:45.43`	`bucky`	`he only had sex with that goat because Drunken_Irony got his head stuck in that fence`
`03:45.47`	`sencompas`	`eXa_bOy ha`
`03:45.56`	`sencompas`	`hahahahaha`
`03:46.07`	`beardy`	`Enough, stirring up things was all he wanted to do, why do as he wants?`
`03:46.08`	`sencompas`	`bucky, that is a homerun`
`03:46.25`	`sencompas`	`sorry, oops`
`03:46.31`	`eXa_bOy`	`poor goat....`
`03:46.34`	`eXa_bOy`	`ok thats enough`
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`03:46.54`	`sencompas`	`by the way, I am curious, how did he get kicked out?`
`03:47.05`	`sencompas`	`is there someone here the is like god and controls all that?`
`03:47.10`	`eXa_bOy`	`gravity pwned him`
`03:47.26`	`sencompas`	`who is gravity`
`03:47.46`	`sencompas`	`gravity are you god?`
`03:47.49`	`eXa_bOy`	`gravity AND dondelelcaro pwned him... lol`
`03:48.00`	`eXa_bOy`	`they are admins.`
`03:48.14`	`sencompas`	`can I talk to admins?`
`03:48.18`	`sencompas`	`ha`
`03:48.27`	`eXa_bOy`	`sure they are like you and me`
`03:48.38`	`sencompas`	`I feel like I am in the matrix discovering something new and amazing`
`03:48.43`	`eXa_bOy`	`lol`
`03:49.08`	`eXa_bOy`	`they have the internet on computers now?`
`03:49.11`	`sencompas`	`umm, sir gravity?`
`03:49.38`	`gravity`	`sir gravity? wtf?`
`03:49.40`	`gravity`	`What's up?`
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`03:49.50`	`sencompas`	`oh my gosh, he spoke to me!`
`03:49.54`	`eXa_bOy`	`lol`
`03:49.58`	`sencompas`	`pleasure to meet you sir`
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`03:50.13`	`ryanium`	`this dude wants to get your jollys off gravity lol`
`03:50.17`	`sanxiyn`	`"I hate debian" -- from some Debian package's changelog.`
`03:50.20`	`sencompas`	`just discovered there are people that control this little world`
`03:50.32`	`beardy`	`...`
`03:50.34`	`ryanium`	`sencompas, maybe you should thank him w/ a box of chocolates and roses lol`
`03:50.35`	`gravity`	`uh...`
`03:50.44`	`gravity`	`I don't even know where to begin`
`03:50.57`	`beardy`	`gravity: Let him have his matrix :)`
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`03:50.59`	`sencompas`	`!chocolate gravity`
`03:51.01`	`Firefishe`	`fbi: are you still around?`
`03:51.03`	`sencompas`	`hah`
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`03:51.36`	`fbi`	`Firefishe: sort of, i'm doing something kind of important. what's up.`
`03:51.50`	`Firefishe`	`no problem...I'll wait, it's just xine`
`03:51.56`	`fbi`	`still no audio?`
`03:52.01`	`Firefishe`	`yeah`
`03:52.06`	`blitzrage`	`evening all -- what is that link to tell people to not advertise their going away?`
`03:52.08`	`fbi`	`did you /msg dpkg marillat ?`
`03:52.10`	`Firefishe`	`and I have just about every thing I can think of installed`
`03:52.12`	`blitzrage`	`I know I've seen it in here before :)`
`03:52.13`	`Firefishe`	`yes...`
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`03:52.25`	`Firefishe`	`and apt-get'd till I was blue in the face.`
`03:52.58`	`Firefishe`	`but please, take care of your important stuff first, I'll be here all night probably`
`03:53.13`	`fbi`	`Firefishe: i recommend using another player for now, and check the bts for a bug.`
`03:53.31`	`Firefishe`	`fbi: totem doesn't work either`
`03:53.41`	`Firefishe`	`any recommendations?`
`03:53.52`	`fbi`	`Firefishe: mplayer ? vlc ? there are lots.`
`03:53.53`	`sencompas`	`Firefishe what kind of soundcard do you have? it could be that sound is being interupted but something`
`03:53.56`	`sencompas`	`happened to me`
`03:54.25`	`bucky`	`sencompas, esd ?`
`03:54.36`	`fbi`	`Firefishe: Totem isn't working because xine isn't.`
`03:54.51`	`Firefishe`	`fbi: ah, riighto`
`03:54.59`	`sencompas`	`try turning off all esd stuff, like your messenger or gnome sounds and goto a generic driver like oss`
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`03:55.24`	`Firefishe`	`sencompas: Intell ICH5 and a Sound Blaster Audigy`
`03:55.29`	`Firefishe`	`the ich5 is on-board`
`03:55.30`	`sencompas`	`totem uses xine for video, or gstreamer`
`03:55.36`	`beardy`	`sencompas: esd is not an audio driver`
`03:55.50`	`sencompas`	`no I know, it mixes the audio`
`03:55.58`	`Firefishe`	`the other one is a synth-interface system for my keyboard and a host of other things`
`03:56.25`	`sencompas`	`it could be trying to output to the first card`
`03:56.30`	`sencompas`	`take it out and try again`
`03:56.40`	`sencompas`	`if it fixes the problem then we know what to focus on`
`03:56.48`	`Firefishe`	`it's not that easy to open my box`
`03:57.02`	`sencompas`	`oh, canyou turn it off in the bios?`
`03:57.33`	`sencompas`	`I had two soundcards, it is kinda fun`
`03:57.37`	`Firefishe`	`and all my other distros have worked, so I don't know if that will help or not. xmms plays with either the audigy or the intel cards selected, so I know they both work`
`03:57.49`	`Firefishe`	`bios`
`03:57.50`	`Firefishe`	`maybe`
`03:58.07`	`sencompas`	`that would rule out one of many prsiblities`
`03:58.17`	`sencompas`	`Firefishe I am trying to help`
`03:58.18`	`sencompas`	`sorry`
`03:58.29`	`Firefishe`	`sencompas: no problem`
`03:58.36`	`Firefishe`	`let me reboot and see what I can do there :)`
`03:58.45`	`djdxm2669`	`is there an ircd built in ubuntu`
`03:58.51`	`beardy`	`Firefishe: Disable the intel card, why would you want to use that if you have a better one?`
`03:58.57`	`sencompas`	`checked you volumes, and since you have a soubblaster it could be that you have it in the wrong output jack`
`03:58.58`	`beardy`	`djdxm2669: /join #ubuntu`
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`03:59.02`	`djdxm2669`	`i did`
`03:59.11`	`sencompas`	`it mikght be trying for 5.1 audio instead of good old out`
`03:59.12`	`djdxm2669`	`cant send to chan`
`03:59.27`	`beardy`	`djdxm2669: /msg nickserv help`
`03:59.36`	`Firefishe`	`beardy: well, it's on the board, part of the mainboard, and the other one doesn't have standard output jacks. It's for a special desktop hardware piece that is designed to take various inputs, like microphones, and the like.`
`03:59.41`	`beardy`	`djdxm2669: Perhaps they require your nick to be registered.`
`03:59.55`	`djdxm2669`	`not last time`
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`04:00.15`	`beardy`	`djdxm2669: That is no excuse to be asking here.`
`04:00.39`	`djdxm2669`	`ubuntu thrived of debian`
`04:00.41`	`Firefishe`	`sencompas: My sound is fine as far as normal output is concerned.`
`04:00.41`	`djdxm2669`	`didnt it`
`04:00.51`	`beardy`	`djdxm2669: Don't.`
`04:00.52`	`Firefishe`	`the jacks are the proper ones'`
`04:01.00`	`beardy`	`!tell djdxm2669 about ubuntu`
`04:01.04`	`djdxm2669`	`what ever`
`04:01.07`	`beardy`	`!tell djdxm2669 about based on debian`
`04:01.41`	`bucky`	`that's about right "ubuntu thrived on debian"`
`04:01.59`	`qbwdp`	`if i have dvi and a vga port on my video card, how do i change it from vga to dvi and from dvi to vga?`
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`04:02.31`	`beardy`	`qbwdp: You can (probably) only use one at a time, the one that is plugged in will be used.`
`04:02.58`	`qbwdp`	`ah ok`
`04:03.13`	`qbwdp`	`so which ever one i plug in at boot time gets detected and used`
`04:03.21`	`beardy`	`qbwdp: Yes.`
`04:03.45`	`qbwdp`	`beardy: nice, thanx`
`04:04.14`	`beardy`	`qbwdp: And after boot too. It's hardware controlled, on the videocard.`
`04:04.23`	`beardy`	`qbwdp: No problem.`
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`04:07.50`	`dregan`	`hi`
`04:07.59`	`bucky`	`ih`
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`04:10.13`	`roby`	`What is a popular command line image viewer?`
`04:10.18`	`roby`	`Other than xloadimage?`
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`04:12.28`	`bxa`	`when was the last stable release of debian?`
`04:12.40`	`amphi`	`a few months ago`
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`04:13.11`	`dli`	`which package(s) to install in order to get "make xconfig" instead of "make menuconfig" ?`
`04:13.12`	`bxa`	`mmmm im having a hard time figuring out what distro i want to go with... but iv narrowed it down to three. debian, gentoo, or slackware`
`04:13.37`	`amphi`	`you picked the right place to ask ;)`
`04:13.44`	`stew`	`!xconfig`
`04:13.45`	`dpkg`	`methinks xconfig is for kernels in the 2.4 series and earlier, apt-get install tk8.3, or for 2.6 and newer kernels, apt-get install libqt-dev (woody) or libqt3-dev (sarge or sid), or for GNOME-heads, see gconfig`
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`04:14.58`	`dli`	`stew: 62 MB archives to get :)`
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`04:15.50`	`dli`	`to make a kernel runing on scsi-raid5, any simple modules to be built?`
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`04:16.10`	`gjuntao`	`which firewall can i install?`
`04:16.22`	`dli`	`2.4 kernel + scsi-raid ?`
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`04:16.43`	`dli`	`gjuntao, I use bastille (for n00bs). apt-get install bastille psad`
`04:16.46`	`stew`	`dli: any reason why you are compiling your own kernel in the first place?`
`04:16.57`	`widrone`	`bxa: I think we can help you narrow it to one in here, take a guess on which one.`
`04:17.00`	`sanxiyn`	`roby: I often use "display" from ImageMagick.`
`04:17.05`	`dli`	`stew, because this is part of an openmosix cluster`
`04:17.08`	`tonsofpcs`	`anyone know of a way i can just run lpd directly to lp0 for network printing??`
`04:17.25`	`dli`	`stew openmosix doesn't release kernel image .deb :(`
`04:18.03`	ded`karma	`cdrecord isnt detecting my internal cd-rw drive, is there anything I can do inorder for it to be detected? I'm using 2.6 kernel`
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`04:18.29`	`dli`	`tonsofpcs, apt-get install cupsys , on both client and server, then, you have http://localhost:631`
`04:18.45`	`dli`	ded`karma, why not use k3b ?
`04:18.57`	`tonsofpcs`	`dli - clients include windowz boxes`
`04:19.20`	ded`karma	`dli: using gnome, not kde =\`
`04:19.45`	`widrone`	ded`karma: Think it helps to feed it the ATAPI: argument for dev= if Im not mistaken.
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`04:20.05`	`roby`	`sanxiyn: cool thanks`
`04:20.07`	`tapox`	`how do I uncompress a .bz2 file?`
`04:20.09`	`Phated`	`Just use dev=/dev/hdwhatever, it'll complain but work.`
`04:20.18`	`Phated`	`tapox: apt-get install bzip2, use bunzip filename.`
`04:20.20`	`sanxiyn`	`tapox: bunzip2.`
`04:20.25`	`tapox`	`thanks`
`04:20.33`	`widrone`	ded`karma: Atleast if you try to use -scanbus to find the dev.
`04:21.44`	`Coweater`	`is there any way to reset an ide cd drive without rebooting? mine won't respond to open/close commands, either manually or software`
`04:22.00`	`dli`	ded`karma, I found k3b is the easiest even for gnome users
`04:22.10`	`amphi`	`Coweater: hdparm perhaps`
`04:22.20`	`sencompas`	`I would agree k3b is good I use gnome`
`04:22.22`	`dli`	ded`karma, in fact, k3b is the only kde thing I use
`04:22.55`	`bucky`	`Coweater, something is using it.. is it a working directory for a term or is a file browser browsing it`
`04:23.07`	`Coweater`	`it's not mounted`
`04:23.25`	`bucky`	`maybe type eject`
`04:23.27`	`Coweater`	`ogle was using it when it messed up`
`04:23.41`	`dondelelcaro`	`Coweater: well, in that case the cdrom drive still thinks it's being used.`
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`04:23.47`	`Coweater`	`i tried that, i get invalid arguement`
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`04:24.28`	`sencompas`	`!moo`
`04:24.29`	`dpkg`	`mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo.`
`04:24.54`	`bucky`	`!hug sencompas`
`04:24.55`	`amphi`	`!lart sencompas`
`04:25.01`	`beardy`	`Coweater: I've had that happen, can't remember exactly how it solved itself, but either some hdparm fiddling, or just waiting.`
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`04:25.35`	`Coweater`	`ok, got it with hdparm`
`04:25.38`	`Coweater`	`thanks`
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`04:28.06`	`sencompas`	`does rssh allow me to just strait login or is it only with ssh that I can login?`
`04:28.11`	`dcvkldcvjtjke`	`How do I change the default display manager, dpkg-reconfigure xdm didn't seem to work (xdm didn't start with /etc/init.d/xdm start)`
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`04:29.02`	`darkness`	`Can anyone help with my keymapping problem. Pound sign = # etc.`
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`04:29.17`	`beardy`	`dcvkldcvjtjke: Install another one, or if it's already installed, dpkg-reconfigure ?dm`
`04:29.29`	`tonsofpcs`	`pound sign != #`
`04:29.32`	`tonsofpcs`	`# == octothorpe`
`04:29.36`	`sencompas`	`darkness what is wrong with your keymapping?`
`04:29.55`	`sencompas`	`tonsofpcs give him a break`
`04:30.19`	`amphi`	`sencompas: 'octothorpe' is an important word`
`04:30.24`	`sencompas`	`tonsofpcs are you from another country and use a different keyboard?`
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`04:30.29`	`fbi`	`darkness: reconfigure X, choose new keyboard layout.`
`04:30.31`	`beardy`	`darkness: On my keyboard those are on the same key, Alt-Gr for the � sign`
`04:30.36`	`tonsofpcs`	`sencompas - another country than what?`
`04:30.40`	`darkness`	`sencompas: I don't know, but it's messed up dpkg --reconfigure console i;ve tried.`
`04:30.53`	`beardy`	`!keymap`
`04:30.53`	`dpkg`	`To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx`
`04:30.56`	`amphi`	`darkness: dpkg-reconfigure console-data`
`04:31.04`	`darkness`	`Done that.`
`04:31.05`	`sencompas`	`the USA you silly`
`04:31.09`	`darkness`	`Same problem`
`04:31.22`	`amphi`	`sencompas: huh?`
`04:31.25`	`tonsofpcs`	`sencompas - I'm in the USA, but I doubt that I use the same keymap as you do.`
`04:31.27`	`sencompas`	`I am from finland and had to set up my keyboard different`
`04:31.30`	`darkness`	`Infact the number keypad doesn't work at all now.`
`04:31.39`	`sencompas`	`so I used a different region's keyboard mapping`
`04:31.41`	`dcvkldcvjtjke`	`beardy: I have xdm installed, I said I tried dpkg-reconfige, it but starting xdm says "...xdm not the default display manager"`
`04:32.08`	`darkness`	`I would have thought the uk's keymapping would have been standard?`
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`04:32.14`	`sencompas`	`ha`
`04:32.17`	`beardy`	`dcvkldcvjtjke: And I said, install another one, and dpkg-reconfigure gdm or kdm`
`04:32.20`	`Guerin`	`darkness: why?`
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`04:32.27`	`tonsofpcs`	`darkness - the US keymaps technically aren't even standard`
`04:32.37`	`amphi`	`darkness: it is in dpkg-reconfigure console-data`
`04:32.37`	`foo`	`How can I turn off anti-aliasing in fluxbox? I just upgraded debian and the .9.14 version has font changes.`
`04:32.45`	`beardy`	`dcvkldcvjtjke: Or, when you install another one, it will ask you, so no need for dpkg-reconfigure.`
`04:32.51`	`darkness`	`Okay, Can't wait for my new mac to arrive :-)`
`04:33.08`	`dcvkldcvjtjke`	`beardy: I want to use XDM, Not KDM or GDM`
`04:33.10`	`Guerin`	`oh, another mactard`
`04:33.10`	`Phated`	`foo: Use the menu. Configuration has anti-aliasing in there somewhere, or should, anyway. :)`
`04:33.14`	`tonsofpcs`	`darkness - but i think if you specify lang=en-uk on boot it fixes the keymap to the 'normal' UK one`
`04:33.15`	`Guerin`	`hurray for mactards`
`04:33.17`	`Phated`	`dcvkldcvjtjke: So install xdm.`
`04:33.26`	`tonsofpcs`	`[or is it kbd=?]`
`04:33.28`	`beardy`	`dcvkldcvjtjke: The purge the other ones.`
`04:33.30`	`foo`	`Phated: nah, not in the newer version`
`04:33.31`	`sencompas`	`to set the rssh shell for a user, can I just type chsh <user> and then put /usr/bin/rssh?`
`04:33.37`	`beardy`	`Then`
`04:33.38`	`Phated`	`foo: Blech, dunno then. :)`
`04:34.03`	`darkness`	`Well i've changed dpkg-reconfigure console-data to english standard standard.Still same old problem.`
`04:34.14`	`Guerin`	`sencompas: man chsh`
`04:34.26`	`tonsofpcs`	`darkness - "English standard" is the US keymap`
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`04:34.41`	`tonsofpcs`	`and have you tried alt-gr + [whatever key gives #]?`
`04:34.43`	`amphi`	`darkness: edit /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz yourself then`
`04:34.58`	`gjuntao`	`some keys in my keyboard can't use`
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`04:35.25`	`hytt`	`sencompas> edit /etc/passwd, yourUser:x:1000:1000:yourUser,,,:/home/yourUser:/usr/bin/rssh`
`04:36.08`	`dcvkldcvjtjke`	`beardy: Purged KDM, does nothing, where is the file that allows me to change the default display manager!`
`04:36.23`	`darkness`	`Haa haa amphi.`
`04:36.29`	`sencompas`	`rssh was not in the bash list... and it is installed, did I do something wrong?`
`04:36.34`	`amphi`	`darkness: huh?`
`04:36.51`	`fbi`	`dcvkldcvjtjke: you do that in debconf when you reconfigure your display manager.`
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`04:37.24`	`dcvkldcvjtjke`	`dpkg-reconfigure xdm says: "System startup links for /etc/init.d/xdm already exists"`
`04:37.52`	`sencompas`	`hytt I did that.... but I want to know if I can still login with that account... or is it now only available with ssh logins`
`04:37.55`	`darkness`	`amphi, you try reading boottime.kmap.gz.`
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`04:38.36`	`amphi`	`darkness: I have edited mine`
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`04:39.11`	`fbi`	`dcvkldcvjtjke: remove/purge _all_ of your *dm packages, apt-get install xdm`
`04:39.58`	`fbi`	`or you could do something ridiculous like boot into console and type 'startx'.`
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`04:41.12`	`dcvkldcvjtjke`	`fbi: Logging in from console makes fonts jump around in Firefox, through KDM it does not`
`04:41.33`	`fbi`	`dcvkldcvjtjke: then why do you want xdm?`
`04:41.49`	`beardy`	`!nodm`
`04:41.49`	`dpkg`	`Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console`
`04:42.34`	`beardy`	`dcvkldcvjtjke: Have you actually tried starting xdm?`
`04:42.53`	`beardy`	`dcvkldcvjtjke: /etc/init.d/xdm start`
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`04:42.56`	`dcvkldcvjtjke`	`It starts when I run it by hand, but I want it to run on startup`
`04:43.04`	`beardy`	`dcvkldcvjtjke: It will.`
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`04:44.41`	`beardy`	`dcvkldcvjtjke: What does 'cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager' say?`
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`04:44.59`	`dcvkldcvjtjke`	`beardy: It worked after the purge/reinstall`
`04:45.13`	`hytt`	`sencompas> put /usr/bin/rssh into /etc/shells file, (for listing with chsh)`
`04:45.20`	`litage`	`i set bootlogd to run at system startup and rebooted, but /var/log/boot wasn't created. does anything else have to be done to get bootlogd to write what it finds?`
`04:45.31`	`dcvkldcvjtjke`	`Now I'd like to figure out to get ssh-askpass to start up and ask me for my passphrase`
`04:46.21`	`beardy`	`litage: Is that where it will log to?`
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`04:48.06`	`litage`	`beardy: ooh actually, i just found "BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=No" in /etc/default/bootlogd =P`
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`04:51.05`	`hytt`	`sencompas> basicly, rssh is a "restricted" shell, if you want put more security then install rssh into chrooted environement with only few commands like sftp, ls or other depends of yours need`
`04:51.27`	`hytt`	`(sry for my poor english)`
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`04:52.05`	`aris`	`hi`
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`04:52.12`	`aris`	`any expert in postfix here?`
`04:52.24`	`ke6isf`	`!expert`
`04:52.24`	`dpkg`	`an expert is someone who knows at least 1% more about a subject than youself. an "ex"-- someone who used to know what he was talking about, and "spurt", a big drip...well, perhaps an ex is someone who lives in Texas`
`04:52.28`	`\|XO4\|`	`im getting ip command not found`
`04:52.32`	`ke6isf`	`aris: What's the problem?`
`04:52.34`	`\|XO4\|`	`what should i install for that?`
`04:52.46`	`hytt`	`\|XO4\|> apt-get install iproute`
`04:52.48`	`hytt`	`;)`
`04:53.19`	`khane`	`hey der`
`04:53.49`	`\|XO4\|`	`hyde thanks :)`
`04:54.06`	`hytt`	`you got ip and tc command now :)`
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`04:58.08`	`muhoo`	`secondly, ACPI names my CPU, CPU1, not CPU0`
`04:58.26`	`muhoo`	`finally, my question: does powersave-k7 fail when ACPI is used? does it work with apm?`
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`05:01.53`	`pi-meson`	`is there any way to make module-assistant use a different gcc version?`
`05:02.51`	`aris`	`ke6isf, can you help me?`
`05:03.01`	`TheHunter`	`Hi, is there a way to have scripts executed on reconnect of a ppp-connection, similar to the ip.up and ip.down hooks?`
`05:03.05`	`darkness`	`Hi, how can i check to see what res my screen is diplaying atm?`
`05:03.09`	`stew`	`muhoo: you started with secondly, what is firstly? CPU?/info should map acpi id to cpu id, afaik powersave-k7 only works with acpi`
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`05:04.07`	`stew`	`darkness: xdpyinfo or xrandr`
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`05:04.18`	`darkness`	`Tks stew.`
`05:04.20`	`muhoo`	`first of all, all of my acpi crap is in /proc/acpi. nothing is in /sys/devices/system/acpi`
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`05:04.44`	`stew`	`muhoo: is there a question there? or are you just complaining?`
`05:04.46`	`deadcat`	`can i rsync a dir to another dir on the same system?`
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`05:04.52`	`stew`	`deadcat: sure`
`05:05.05`	`muhoo`	`stew: it's a question if i did something wrong, a complaint if i didn't :-)`
`05:05.07`	`AM\|R`	`hi.. i formatted my windows parttion on /dev/hda1.. the grub loader was erased.. how can i install the grub again?... need help to boot my debian ..`
`05:05.13`	`deadcat`	`stew: its skipping it.`
`05:05.22`	`MagiCNighTer`	`hello`
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`05:05.39`	`stew`	`muhoo: that's how it looks on my system`
`05:05.42`	`stew`	`deadcat: what do you mean?`
`05:05.45`	`darkness`	`stew: >>screen #0:`
`05:05.45`	`darkness`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:05.45`	`darkness`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:05.50`	`quetK`	`hey, how i can install openOffice 2 from this site http://people.debian.org/~rene/openoffice.org/2.x/ ??`
`05:06.05`	`deadcat`	`stew: rsync -bu /home/thisguy/backup .`
`05:06.20`	`deadcat`	`quetK: oo2 is in unstable`
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`05:06.33`	`stew`	`quetK: what version of debian are you using?`
`05:06.38`	`hytt`	`AM\|R> boot from floppy rescue or livecd, and execute grub command for create new one`
`05:06.38`	`MagiCNighTer`	`download .deb file`
`05:06.41`	`MagiCNighTer`	`dpkg -i`
`05:06.41`	`deadcat`	`stew: usually use -bu right?`
`05:06.49`	`quetK`	`deadcat, that means that i cant use it?`
`05:06.56`	`darkness`	`My screen looks better than 800x600.`
`05:06.58`	`stew`	`deadcat: i rarely use anything other than -avz`
`05:07.00`	`deadcat`	`quetK: wait for it`
`05:07.02`	Dasnipa`	`is there a nifty terminal command to output cool info like debian version and kernal version?`
`05:07.06`	`deadcat`	`stew: ok let me try that.`
`05:07.16`	`MagiCNighTer`	`uname -a`
`05:07.21`	`deadcat`	`stew: damn that works`
`05:07.25`	`quetK`	`in this http://openoffice.debian.net/ web page, says that wen can install it`
`05:07.46`	`quetK`	`but im newb, so, im something lost`
`05:08.04`	`TheHunter`	`...or force the interface to be brought down and up again for that matter?`
`05:08.05`	`MagiCNighTer`	`u can make an hibrid`
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`05:08.29`	`stew`	`quetK: that is for unstable only. since you are a self-proclaimed "newb" we are all praying that you aren't running unstable`
`05:09.17`	`MagiCNighTer`	`could i make a question`
`05:09.35`	`quetK`	`stew, ^^!! ok, well i thing i wait for it, thanks anyway`
`05:09.53`	`MagiCNighTer`	`quetk: u can make an hybrid`
`05:09.57`	`MagiCNighTer`	`between dists`
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`05:10.05`	`quetK`	`MagiCNighTer, how?`
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`05:10.13`	`stew`	`MagiCNighTer: NO he cannot install that on sarge`
`05:10.17`	`AM\|R`	`hytt>: already exucuted grub`
`05:10.21`	`MagiCNighTer`	`search about in google`
`05:10.22`	`AM\|R`	`but no effect`
`05:10.24`	`stew`	`quetK: don't listen to MagiCNighTer`
`05:10.26`	`AM\|R`	`hi.. i formatted my windows parttion on /dev/hda1.. the grub loader was erased.. how can i install the grub again?... need help to boot my debian ..`
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`05:10.30`	`MagiCNighTer`	`why?`
`05:10.33`	`MagiCNighTer`	`i ever do`
`05:10.37`	`MagiCNighTer`	`apt.conf`
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`05:10.48`	`muhoo`	`great. i left the thing on all day today at 117F degrees`
`05:10.50`	`MagiCNighTer`	`u can set your default dist`
`05:10.57`	`muhoo`	`hope i haven't fried the damned cpu`
`05:11.02`	`stew`	`MagiCNighTer: becuase that openoffice.org depends on a libc6 later than sarge`
`05:11.03`	`quetK`	`stew, im confused, make an hybrid release cause many problems?`
`05:11.08`	`MagiCNighTer`	`and download packets from others dists`
`05:11.16`	`stew`	`quetK: you would essentially upgrade to at least testing and probably unstable`
`05:11.27`	`muhoo`	`seems like even with powernow stuff not working/loading, the standard acpi processor/thermal stuff is critical`
`05:11.28`	`Firefishe`	`!dpkg hdparm`
`05:11.28`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, hdparm is the HD tuning tool. If your IDE drive seems sluggish, you should experiment with hdparm with the following options: unmasked irq (on), I/O support (3, 32bit w/sync), and multcount (16) and using dma (on), or read http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2000/06/29/hdparm.html, or apt-get install hdparm and RTFM :)`
`05:11.33`	`stew`	`MagiCNighTer: do not recommend things like that to people in here, please`
`05:11.38`	`muhoo`	`and maybe even sufficient, actually`
`05:11.43`	`MagiCNighTer`	`sorry`
`05:11.46`	`neil`	`Hi I am using the program 'ttylog' to capture the input on a serial port. My problem is that I am getting blank lines on the output because I am receiving <cr><lf> pairs. Could I pipe the output though some other program to filter these?`
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`05:11.49`	`MagiCNighTer`	`i ever do that`
`05:11.53`	`quetK`	`MagiCNighTer, thatks, but i dont understand too much :S`
`05:12.01`	`widrone`	`!tell AM\|R about grub`
`05:12.05`	`suicide_rabbit`	`Hello, I'm wondering if there is a way during the install process to reorder the drives. I have an Adaptec 29160 and a Silicon Image 3112 SATA in the same system. BIOS orders the Adaptec first b/c it's in a higher slot. Debian installer re-orders so that what should be /dev/sda on the Adaptec to /dev/sdc and the system will not boot. How can I force the installer to order the drives like the BIOS?`
`05:12.09`	`stew`	`quetK: he's telling you to upgrade to debian unstable (whether he realizes this or not)`
`05:12.20`	`MagiCNighTer`	`no`
`05:12.25`	`MagiCNighTer`	`i dont say that`
`05:12.28`	`hytt`	`AM\|R> re-execute grub, and put option for recreate new one like this:`
`05:12.29`	`MagiCNighTer`	`only mixing dists`
`05:12.30`	`hytt`	`grub`
`05:12.33`	`hytt`	`root (hd0,4)`
`05:12.36`	`MagiCNighTer`	`default sarge`
`05:12.42`	`quetK`	`stew, ahhh ok, well i wait for oo2 better`
`05:12.44`	`MagiCNighTer`	`editing apt.conf`
`05:12.45`	`hytt`	`setup (hd0)`
`05:12.53`	`hytt`	`change values with your config`
`05:12.56`	`quetK`	`stew, you know a nice grub tutorial?`
`05:12.57`	`widrone`	`AM\|R: You need some way to write that GRUB back into the /dev/hda or something.`
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`05:13.21`	`stew`	`quetK: for switching from lilo to grub? or what exactly? have you looked at /usr/share/doc/grub/* ?`
`05:13.35`	`MagiCNighTer`	`APT::Default-Release "testing";`
`05:13.39`	`MagiCNighTer`	`:P`
`05:13.39`	`stew`	`MagiCNighTer: stop`
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`05:13.44`	`MagiCNighTer`	`ok`
`05:13.49`	`widrone`	`AM\|R: You having 2 disks in the machine? Boot from rescue image (cd) and write grub to hda`
`05:13.51`	`stew`	`MagiCNighTer: its a horrible idea and you are probably not running many packages from sarge anymore`
`05:14.02`	`stew`	`MagiCNighTer: there were very major abi changes between sarge and etch`
`05:14.08`	`quetK`	`stew, not, just grub tutorial, i would like to learn how grub works`
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`05:14.25`	`karsten`	`Guerin: Wake up, dude.`
`05:14.30`	`MagiCNighTer`	`ok ok, just let him to decide`
`05:14.39`	`MagiCNighTer`	`and to know`
`05:15.00`	`stew`	`MagiCNighTer: no`
`05:15.14`	`MagiCNighTer`	`info could help him, in a future`
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`05:15.46`	`hytt`	`AM\|R> in grub , root (hd0,4) is used for /dev/hda5 /, change the value with your device path`
`05:15.55`	`stew`	`quetK: sorry i dunno, there is always "apt-get source grub" of course :)`
`05:16.04`	`MagiCNighTer`	`and we re talking about office, so i dont think its so dangerous, its a workstation`
`05:16.27`	`MagiCNighTer`	`stew could i make a question`
`05:16.30`	`stew`	`MagiCNighTer: upgrading libc6 to testing / unstable on a stable system should be considered dangerous, always`
`05:16.33`	`MagiCNighTer`	`about eth`
`05:16.39`	`hytt`	`AM\|R> setup(hd0) will install grub into MBR of /dev/hda`
`05:16.39`	`quetK`	`stew, ok no problem, i think i need first read debian linux tutorial jeje`
`05:17.14`	`MagiCNighTer`	`quetk u can add backports`
`05:17.16`	`AM\|R`	`i will try`
`05:17.20`	`MagiCNighTer`	`for stable`
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`05:17.37`	`MagiCNighTer`	`sometimes they have newest packages`
`05:17.38`	`quetK`	`why i need add backports?`
`05:17.49`	`MagiCNighTer`	`for stable`
`05:17.55`	`MagiCNighTer`	`wait a min`
`05:18.33`	`MagiCNighTer`	`i forget them`
`05:18.34`	`MagiCNighTer`	`:P`
`05:19.00`	`quetK`	`lol`
`05:19.02`	`MagiCNighTer`	`http://backports.org/`
`05:19.07`	`MagiCNighTer`	`look this`
`05:19.23`	`stew`	`quetK: don't bother you wont find openoffice backports there`
`05:19.31`	`MagiCNighTer`	`nope`
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`05:19.47`	`quetK`	`backports sounds haking debian`
`05:19.49`	`MagiCNighTer`	`but sometimes it's help u`
`05:19.59`	`MagiCNighTer`	`read about it`
`05:20.25`	`quetK`	`hmm i need to learn more abour linuz debian, im very very newb`
`05:20.47`	`MagiCNighTer`	`only way is reading`
`05:21.40`	`quetK`	`the problem is, im dont know englis very well`
`05:21.48`	`quetK`	`im in english class number 1`
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`05:21.56`	`MagiCNighTer`	`and making your own conclusions`
`05:21.58`	`quetK`	`so, language is for the moment, a problem for me`
`05:22.07`	`MagiCNighTer`	`quetk where u from?`
`05:22.11`	`quetK`	`mexico`
`05:22.14`	`MagiCNighTer`	`haha`
`05:22.16`	`MagiCNighTer`	`argentina`
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`05:22.52`	`deadcat`	`can i use \ to go to next line in crontab file?`
`05:23.03`	`quetK`	`ahh loco hablas espa�ol jeje`
`05:23.05`	`neil`	`I would like to pipe the output of a program though something to remove the <cr><lf> pairs and replace with just <cr> what would I use to do this?`
`05:23.11`	`quetK`	`english is dificult for me at the momento`
`05:23.12`	`MagiCNighTer`	`sure`
`05:23.18`	`luci0`	`quetK #debian-br`
`05:23.35`	`luci0`	`quet eu ablo espanhol`
`05:23.44`	`stew`	`neil: \| tr -d '\r'`
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`05:24.00`	`neil`	`stew: thanks I will try it`
`05:24.00`	`MagiCNighTer`	`stwe`
`05:24.03`	`MagiCNighTer`	`stew`
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`05:24.09`	`stew`	`?`
`05:24.12`	`luci0`	`lol`
`05:24.14`	`karsten`	`neil: dos2unix, part of one of the text utilities packages.`
`05:24.21`	`karsten`	`neil: ... sysutils.`
`05:24.32`	`MagiCNighTer`	`i have a trouble with ifconfig`
`05:24.44`	`MagiCNighTer`	`maybe you could help me`
`05:24.47`	`karsten`	`neil: ... or tr, as stew pointed out.`
`05:25.06`	`stew`	`neil: or "/msg dpkg dos2unix" for many options...`
`05:25.14`	`karsten`	`deadcat: No, crontab files can't have linefeeds in them, and there's no escape.`
`05:25.15`	`luci0`	`any here using kurumin`
`05:25.17`	`karsten`	`deadcat: ... needless to say ...`
`05:25.18`	`quetK`	`hey, i cant mount floppy, y thing i haven't installed floppy drivers, how i cant install it?`
`05:25.22`	`karsten`	`deadcat: ... resistance is futile.`
`05:25.26`	`stew`	`luci0: wrong channel, you want #kurumin`
`05:25.31`	`karsten`	`luci0: kurumin != debian.`
`05:25.34`	`deadcat`	karsten: no `command` ? shit
`05:25.36`	`stew`	`MagiCNighTer: if you have a question, ask it`
`05:25.40`	`deadcat`	`or \ <- escape?`
`05:25.41`	`MagiCNighTer`	`:D`
`05:25.50`	`MagiCNighTer`	`i have one eth card`
`05:25.50`	`luci0`	`karsten no is based in the debian`
`05:25.53`	`sencompas`	`I am trying to log in as a user with rssh as there shell and it kicks me rightback out... why is that? Did I do something wrong?`
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`05:25.56`	`MagiCNighTer`	`and make one virtual card`
`05:25.59`	`MagiCNighTer`	`eth0:0`
`05:26.00`	`karsten`	`!tell luci0 about not debian`
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`05:26.08`	`karsten`	`luci0: You really don't want to have that conversation here.`
`05:26.09`	`MagiCNighTer`	`when i do that i lose connection`
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`05:26.34`	`MagiCNighTer`	`i want to have to ip address`
`05:26.35`	`stew`	`MagiCNighTer: don't use ifconfig for that, add eth0:0 to /etc/network/interfaces ; man 5 interfaces`
`05:26.41`	`karsten`	`deadcat: I think you can do backticks and $( expansion ) but would generally write a script to do that if I needed something complex.`
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`05:26.50`	`MagiCNighTer`	`nono, the question is`
`05:26.51`	`ke6isf`	`aris: I don' tknow if I can help you, you have yet to actually ask a question beyond whether there are Postfix experts in here.`
`05:27.00`	`MagiCNighTer`	`could i add a virtual ip`
`05:27.01`	`\|XO4\|`	`err what happened to htaccess for apache2 ?`
`05:27.12`	`MagiCNighTer`	`for example running 10.10.5.22`
`05:27.17`	`MagiCNighTer`	`and 10.10.5.55`
`05:27.24`	`hytt`	`yup you can`
`05:27.27`	`MagiCNighTer`	`using as gw 10.10.5.55`
`05:27.35`	`karsten`	`\|XO4\|: You might want to check on #apache.`
`05:27.36`	`MagiCNighTer`	`with out losing connectivity`
`05:27.37`	`stew`	`MagiCNighTer: yes, add it to /etc/network/interfaces ; man 5 interfaces`
`05:27.40`	`geoffb`	`Anyone know what happened to dovecot in testing to make it no longer start, and what can be done to fix it?`
`05:27.42`	`MagiCNighTer`	`:D`
`05:27.45`	`karsten`	`Guerin: r u a girl?`
`05:27.50`	`deadcat`	karsten: i just need `date '+%a'` in there
`05:27.54`	`MagiCNighTer`	`i will do`
`05:27.54`	`deadcat`	`karsten: ^^ HAHAHAH`
`05:27.55`	`quetK`	`stew, how i can install floppy?`
`05:27.57`	`MagiCNighTer`	`again`
`05:27.59`	`karsten`	`deadcat: Double the %%`
`05:28.11`	`MagiCNighTer`	`i want to use corckscrew`
`05:28.13`	`stew`	`quetK: what do you mean install? 'modprobe floppy'?`
`05:28.14`	`MagiCNighTer`	`from job`
`05:28.15`	`MagiCNighTer`	`:P`
`05:28.44`	`quetK`	`stew, i dont understand you, i only want use floppy drive`
`05:28.53`	`karsten`	`deadcat: '%' is the delimiter for "everything after the '%' is stdin.". man 5 crontab`
`05:29.04`	`luci0`	`quetK mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floopy`
`05:29.05`	`karsten`	`quetK: Mount thte drive.`
`05:29.12`	`quetK`	`but i dont have fd0`
`05:29.16`	`deadcat`	`karsten: oh`
`05:29.23`	`stew`	`quetK: modprobe floppy`
`05:29.29`	`deadcat`	karsten: /bin/sh: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``'
`05:29.38`	`aris`	`ke6isf, i created virtual accounts in my postfix`
`05:29.47`	`karsten`	`deadcat: Give me the whole line`
`05:29.48`	`deadcat`	`karsten: i guess backquote dont work`
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`05:29.54`	`quetK`	`modprobe floppy will install floppy?`
`05:29.59`	`MagiCNighTer`	`stew but, only that, no bridge, no route?`
`05:30.02`	`stew`	`quetK: do you run udev? does "dpkg -l udev" return a line starting with "ii"?`
`05:30.11`	`aris`	`ke6isf, but the problem is when i send to mail to that user it says unknown user:`
`05:30.27`	`deadcat`	`karsten: /msg`
`05:30.35`	`litage`	`is everything in /etc/rcS.d/ run when a machine boots, regardless of which runlevel it's entering?`
`05:30.36`	`ke6isf`	`aris: You mean aliases?`
`05:31.03`	`karsten`	`deadcat: Shoot`
`05:31.27`	`deadcat`	`karsten: what you mean? i can always just use Sun or any of the day. doesnt really matter to me.`
`05:31.29`	`quetK`	`stew, yes, retirn that line`
`05:31.37`	`MagiCNighTer`	`thanks for help`
`05:31.46`	`aris`	`ke6isf, virtual accounts.. that doesnt include on my local accounts`
`05:31.49`	`stew`	`MagiCNighTer: did you add eth0:0 to /etc/network/interfaces?`
`05:31.53`	`karsten`	`deadcat: ??`
`05:31.56`	`MagiCNighTer`	`yes i do`
`05:32.01`	`ke6isf`	`aris: You might want to ask in #postfix.`
`05:32.05`	`stew`	`quetK: then "modprobe floppy" should make udev create /dev/fd0, i'd think`
`05:32.09`	`MagiCNighTer`	`i have to ips`
`05:32.17`	`stew`	`MagiCNighTer: and then ifup eth0:0`
`05:32.24`	`MagiCNighTer`	`but when i do that i loose conectivity`
`05:32.31`	`deadcat`	karsten: instead of using `date %a` in my crontab file. i can just use /home/blah/Fri, since i have Mon to Sun
`05:32.34`	`karsten`	deadcat: This worked for me: * * * * * echo `date` This is a test \| mail -s "Test" kself
`05:32.39`	`ke6isf`	`!tell MagiCNighTer -about enter`
`05:32.45`	`deadcat`	`karsten: its failing on the + i think`
`05:32.49`	`karsten`	`deadcat: Use: date +$$a`
`05:32.52`	`stew`	`MagiCNighTer: paste your /etc/network/interfaces to #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste (don't paste here)`
`05:33.03`	`MagiCNighTer`	`is like ifconfig eth0:0 ipnumber`
`05:33.06`	`aris`	`no one is answering at #postfix +(`
`05:33.07`	`deadcat`	`karsten: ok $$ or %%?`
`05:33.10`	`MagiCNighTer`	`im not at work at this momment`
`05:33.21`	`aris`	`ke6isf, no one is answering @ #postfix`
`05:33.28`	`aris`	`ke6isf, thats why im here`
`05:33.28`	`karsten`	`deadcat: If I'd meant $$, I'd have said $$.`
`05:33.31`	`karsten`	`deadcat: RTFM.`
`05:33.32`	`MagiCNighTer`	`if i cant find the way`
`05:33.33`	`quetK`	`ahh stew, it works!!!, but i'd like, what exactly do modprobe?`
`05:33.40`	`MagiCNighTer`	`i will add a new card`
`05:33.42`	`ke6isf`	`aris: Then you might see if there are alternatives to getting help from the postfix community. http://www.postfix.org is a good place to start.`
`05:33.45`	`deadcat`	`karsten: you make typos (=`
`05:33.49`	`MagiCNighTer`	`change it's mac address`
`05:33.51`	`karsten`	`deadcat: Testing, waiting for top'o'the minute.`
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`05:33.58`	`karsten`	`deadcat: I do nto!`
`05:33.58`	`MagiCNighTer`	`i want to use gaim from work`
`05:34.02`	`MagiCNighTer`	`:P`
`05:34.02`	`stew`	`quetK: it inserts a driver into the kernel.`
`05:34.17`	`deadcat`	`karsten: there you did it again. bitch (=`
`05:34.34`	`quetK`	`stew, thank you very much`
`05:34.38`	`karsten`	`deadcat: Bite me.`
`05:34.50`	`stew`	`quetK: do you have hotplug and discover or discover1 installed?`
`05:34.59`	`karsten`	`deadcat: ... don't you have an X display you need me to fix or something?`
`05:35.14`	`quetK`	`stew, no i havent`
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`05:35.52`	`quetK`	`i dont know what exactly is, hotplug, (sorry, my english is very bad)`
`05:36.04`	`luci0`	`quetK ablas espanhol`
`05:36.14`	`quetK`	`si, hablo espa�ol`
`05:36.21`	`luci0`	`portuguese`
`05:36.21`	`stew`	`quetK: "apt-get install hotplug discover" those will autodetect hardware for you and load the drivers for them`
`05:36.46`	`MagiCNighTer`	`detecta de manera automatica los drivers para el hardware`
`05:37.08`	`luci0`	`MagiCNighTer ablas mutcho bien`
`05:37.10`	`quetK`	`ahh understood`
`05:37.20`	`quetK`	`let me install it`
`05:37.24`	`deadcat`	`karsten: what man page you get the $$a part? date or crontab?`
`05:37.32`	`MagiCNighTer`	`knoppix use discover`
`05:37.45`	`MagiCNighTer`	`or kudzu`
`05:37.47`	`widrone`	`This is so cool, a friend of mine dug a Thoshiba satellite 200cds out of a dumpster, Im putting debian on it and letting him loose. =)`
`05:37.55`	`MagiCNighTer`	`i cant remember`
`05:38.25`	`sencompas`	`If I create a bash.script with the su command... will it continue to work after the su or will it stop at that point?`
`05:38.58`	`neil`	`Hi I have what appears to be a strange problem, I am using 'ttylog' to capture what is comming in on the serial port. It says in the document that all output goes to stdout. but when I try to pipe or capture (with > ) i get nothing. any sugestion why>`
`05:39.22`	`quetK`	`i've already installed hotplug discover, how i can use it?? (must be use man hotplug??)`
`05:39.52`	`stew`	`quetK: you don't have to do anything, they work automatically at boot`
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`05:40.28`	`quetK`	`how long are you using linux stew?`
`05:40.38`	`stew`	`sencompas: if you put su in the middle of a script it would not execute the remainer of that script with the new priveleges`
`05:40.43`	`stew`	`quetK: since 1993`
`05:41.01`	`stew`	`sencompas: you would have to use su -c, but you should probably look at sudo`
`05:41.12`	`quetK`	`stew, wow, you are LINUX GURU, i think you will be my best friend =) (just a joke)`
`05:41.12`	`deadcat`	karsten: try /1 * * * [ -d /tmp/`date +$$a` ] && echo a \| logger, make /tmp/Mon, its gonna fail
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`05:41.26`	`quetK`	`i only use linux around 1 month`
`05:41.29`	`stew`	`/1 == , right?`
`05:41.40`	`deadcat`	`oh i guess (=`
`05:41.41`	`sencompas`	`su -c hmm`
`05:41.54`	`LocoSway`	`stew: i was graduating elementary school on an old apple back then :)`
`05:42.15`	`stew`	`LocoSway: i was failing out of college spending too much time on linux :)`
`05:42.15`	`deadcat`	`stew: try that see if it fails or not.`
`05:42.27`	`LocoSway`	`stew: hehe, hope it took you far`
`05:42.33`	`stew`	`LocoSway: it has`
`05:42.34`	`litage`	`which directory contains the default debian init sequence #s for init scripts?`
`05:42.35`	`MagiCNighTer`	`sencompas look sudo as he say`
`05:42.45`	`LocoSway`	`stew: ive been using it since '99 or '00 and its been good to me so far`
`05:43.17`	`dpower`	`karsten`
`05:43.24`	`quetK`	`stewm thank you very much again, your help was greating for me`
`05:43.27`	`quetK`	`see you later`
`05:43.30`	`quetK`	`bytes`
`05:43.48`	`sencompas`	`stew can you give me an example of how to use it?`
`05:44.06`	`MagiCNighTer`	`first`
`05:44.08`	`MagiCNighTer`	`install sudo`
`05:44.12`	`JackInTheBox`	`hello there may i borrow a dhcp configuration from you guys? im just starting out debian and i cant seems to configure dhcp properly i google it, i cant seem to find a proper documentation`
`05:44.23`	`stew`	`sencompas: are you hoping to use su to execute commands as root?`
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`05:44.35`	`stew`	`JackInTheBox: what error are you getting?`
`05:44.50`	`MagiCNighTer`	`apt-get install sudo`
`05:44.59`	`deadcat`	`stew: did you try that crontab line?`
`05:45.01`	`sencompas`	`yes, but I need to put it in a bash script`
`05:45.18`	`stew`	`deadcat: yeah`
`05:45.19`	`deadcat`	`i think karsten is taking a dump`
`05:45.20`	`MagiCNighTer`	`just running by your user`
`05:45.22`	`deadcat`	`stew: work?`
`05:45.30`	`MagiCNighTer`	`writing sudo ./script`
`05:45.30`	`stew`	`deadcat: it seems to do nothing`
`05:45.49`	`deadcat`	`check your syslog, or it should give you email if fails. its failing here.`
`05:45.54`	`daedric`	`gentlemans... what could be severing a ethernet's performance??`
`05:45.54`	`MagiCNighTer`	`u have to set privileges on /etc/sudoers`
`05:46.08`	`daedric`	`sintomn... very slow copy thru smb...`
`05:46.14`	`daedric`	`sintoms*`
`05:46.36`	`stew`	Oct 25 01:44:01 localhost /USR/SBIN/CRON[1349]: (stew) CMD ([ -d /tmp/`date +$$a` ] && echo a \| logger)
`05:46.43`	`MagiCNighTer`	`for example: user ALL=PASSWD:ALL`
`05:46.53`	`deadcat`	`stew: how the hell. hmm.`
`05:46.57`	`neil`	`daedric: have you tried ping to see if its ethernet or smb`
`05:47.06`	`JackInTheBox`	`heres my configuation, heres what i want to do, i want to to least the ip's 192.168.0.11-70, submask 255.255.255.0, gateway 192.168.0.1, dns 192.168.0.1,: this is my config # Sample /etc/dhcpd.conf# (add your comments here)default-lease-time 600;max-lease-time 7200;option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0;option broadcast-address 192.168.0.255;option routers 192.168.0.254;option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.1,192.168.0.1;option domain-name "cicst.local";subne`
`05:47.22`	`MagiCNighTer`	`let to the user "user" to run everything as root`
`05:47.24`	`JackInTheBox`	`is that correct?`
`05:47.32`	`hugle`	`Heya. I'm going to install Debina Sarge on SUnFire v20z today. and wondering if debian sarge will run on it ?`
`05:47.33`	`daedric`	`neil i haven't... i will... i'm in the middle of a smb copy.. so results now would be biased... in a moment...`
`05:47.45`	`JackInTheBox`	`and when i restart it failed to restart`
`05:48.32`	`aris`	`how to set quota on per user basis in postfix?`
`05:48.38`	`stew`	`deadcat: when i replace && with \|\| i get the "localhost logger: a" in syslog`
`05:48.53`	`widrone`	`hugle: What sort of cpu is it?`
`05:48.58`	`daedric`	`a 10mbit ether copying only 100kbytes / sec`
`05:49.04`	`deadcat`	`stew: ok`
`05:49.04`	`daedric`	`kind of slow.. even for a 10mbit`
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`05:49.15`	`JackInTheBox`	`so what do you think is the problem in my configuation?`
`05:49.16`	`MagiCNighTer`	`stew i m tire`
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`05:49.35`	`MagiCNighTer`	`could u give me an advice`
`05:49.48`	`stew`	`MagiCNighTer: if you are tired you should either make coffee or sleep`
`05:49.51`	`deadcat`	stew: what the fuck. its failing on me. complaining about `date '+ <-- email subject, body isL: /bin/sh: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``' /bin/sh: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file
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`05:50.17`	`hugle`	`widrone, AMD opteron`
`05:50.18`	`MagiCNighTer`	`sleep is best, i have no stomage`
`05:50.28`	`daedric`	`amd 64??`
`05:50.43`	`MagiCNighTer`	`i need to know only if its posible to have two ips`
`05:50.47`	`stew`	`deadcat: cron is 3.0pl1-91 here`
`05:50.56`	`MagiCNighTer`	`eth0 and eth0:0`
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`05:51.02`	`hugle`	`daedric, from manual, I understood that it can run on 32bit and 64..`
`05:51.04`	`MagiCNighTer`	`without losing conectivity`
`05:51.12`	`deadcat`	`stew: same here. unstable`
`05:51.14`	`daedric`	`hugle correct...`
`05:51.16`	`JackInTheBox`	`or how do i start webadmin`
`05:51.19`	`deadcat`	`stew: let me mesg you what i have.`
`05:51.20`	`stew`	`MagiCNighTer: add eth0:0 to /etc/network/interfaces`
`05:51.21`	`daedric`	`but thats to generic...`
`05:51.23`	`calljair`	`guys the best way to copy all inside "diretory_a" to "directory_b" cp * directory_a /directory_b?`
`05:51.24`	`stew`	`deadcat: go for it`
`05:51.26`	`JackInTheBox`	`http://what?`
`05:51.32`	`MagiCNighTer`	`i do`
`05:51.35`	`LocoSway`	`[machine]: you can`
`05:51.40`	`MagiCNighTer`	`i did, and loose conectivity`
`05:51.48`	`LocoSway`	`MagiCNighTer: then you did it wrong`
`05:52.02`	`zebalin2`	`Any special reason why there is no /opt directory in debian as well as the derivatives?`
`05:52.06`	`MagiCNighTer`	`i tray as ifconfig eth0:0 ip too`
`05:52.07`	`stew`	`MagiCNighTer: do both entries have a "gateway" entry?`
`05:52.15`	`hugle`	`daedric, so sarge won't install ?`
`05:52.21`	`MagiCNighTer`	`no`
`05:52.23`	`LocoSway`	`MagiCNighTer: only list ip, and subnet for the psuedo ip's`
`05:52.29`	`stew`	`MagiCNighTer: paste your interfaces file to http://channels.debian.net/paste`
`05:52.41`	`neil`	`Is there a way of redirecting stderr and stdout to a file for a program`
`05:52.56`	`stew`	`neil: > file 2>&1`
`05:53.06`	`neil`	`stew: thanks`
`05:53.06`	`MagiCNighTer`	`i m not at office`
`05:53.08`	`sencompas`	`stew I found an easy way to do it... su -m <user> -c <command> would that work?`
`05:53.09`	`daedric`	`hugle i think it will :)`
`05:53.18`	`stew`	`sencompas: yes`
`05:53.24`	`hugle`	`daedric, but only in 32bit mode - right ?`
`05:53.32`	`sencompas`	`thanks stew`
`05:53.36`	`sencompas`	`!beer stew`
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`05:53.41`	`raden`	`anyone tell me how to copy al files *.jpg from one directory to another`
`05:53.41`	`stew`	`yay`
`05:53.42`	`LocoSway`	`MagiCNighTer: a guy at work wrote an app that adds virtual interfaces for you, its pretty neat`
`05:54.00`	`hugle`	`raden: cp -a *.jpg /new/dir`
`05:54.03`	`stew`	`raden: cp /directory/*.jpg /otherdirectory/`
`05:54.05`	`sencompas`	`raden I think you chould read man cp`
`05:54.15`	`MagiCNighTer`	`i have no problem adding virtual interfaces`
`05:54.18`	`sencompas`	`it would help ya alot`
`05:54.21`	`MagiCNighTer`	`but i loose conectivity`
`05:54.21`	`raden`	`ahhh cp now i rember thanks : )`
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`05:54.26`	`raden`	`its been a frew months`
`05:54.26`	`sencompas`	`ha`
`05:54.26`	`calljair`	`the command of copy to get all the files ina directory to another empty or same files and accept overwrite?`
`05:54.27`	`daedric`	`hugle for what i have seen... attempts on 64 bits result in very small annoyances... so users would fall back to 32 bits... (this is true.. and all OS's... Microsoft Fenetre also)`
`05:54.29`	`LocoSway`	`MagiCNighTer: then you are doing it wrong`
`05:54.32`	`MagiCNighTer`	`i dont know very much about it`
`05:54.38`	`stew`	`MagiCNighTer: unless you can show us what you are acutally doing we cannot help`
`05:54.46`	`deadcat`	`raden: how stupid can you be to forget cp?`
`05:54.53`	`deadcat`	`or you smoke that much pot?`
`05:55.03`	`calljair`	`deadcat, haha`
`05:55.07`	`MagiCNighTer`	`just an advice,`
`05:55.18`	`calljair`	`deadcat, I know is cp -a directory right?`
`05:55.27`	`LocoSway`	`MagiCNighTer: only define the ip and subnet of the virtual interfaces`
`05:55.35`	`MagiCNighTer`	`if you want to add a virtual interface, only with interfaces you do`
`05:55.38`	`calljair`	`deadcat, but also is another way of say cp *.doc`
`05:55.41`	`deadcat`	`calljair: close enough (=`
`05:55.44`	`hugle`	`daedric, hm.. thx:) but I won't loose too much performance? It will be pc hosting web pages,email.. ?`
`05:55.45`	`MagiCNighTer`	`ok`
`05:55.52`	`MagiCNighTer`	`i will try tomorrow`
`05:55.56`	`deadcat`	`stew: hows it working?`
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`05:56.07`	`MagiCNighTer`	`i belive it was something like route or forwarding`
`05:56.09`	`stew`	`deadcat: if you /msged me, i didn't receive it`
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`05:56.14`	`stew`	`deadcat: are you identified with services?`
`05:56.19`	`MagiCNighTer`	`:)`
`05:56.20`	`deadcat`	`stew: damn.`
`05:56.30`	`raden`	`is there a way i can make CP delete the files it left in old directoy`
`05:56.31`	`raden`	`?`
`05:56.39`	`stew`	`raden: man mv`
`05:56.42`	`LocoSway`	`raden: use mv`
`05:56.46`	`deadcat`	stew: * * * * * [ -d /home/username/`date +$$a` ] && echo a\| logger
`05:56.48`	`LocoSway`	`heh`
`05:56.55`	`MagiCNighTer`	`just for use corckscrew`
`05:57.07`	`deadcat`	stew: thats what i have. and it fails on [ -d /home/medina/`date '+)
`05:57.09`	`hugle`	`raden: or rm /olddir/*.jpg`
`05:57.15`	`MagiCNighTer`	`i m going to sleep, thanks loco and stew`
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`05:57.26`	`MagiCNighTer`	`goodnights`
`05:57.35`	`raden`	`stew, thanks`
`05:57.37`	`deadcat`	`raden: read the fucking man page for simple basic unix commands.`
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`05:57.40`	`raden`	`LocoSway, Thanks`
`05:57.41`	`JackInTheBox`	`how do i install a new kernel 2.6..K7 i dont know the exact version`
`05:57.53`	`witless`	`which sarge dns server to just to caching lookups?`
`05:57.55`	`stew`	`JackInTheBox: what version of debian are you running?`
`05:57.57`	`deadcat`	`raden: are you gonna ask how to list files? whats next? or clear the fucking screen?`
`05:58.05`	`hugle`	`daedric, so it should be fine running with 32bit ? Cause I'm going to drive far to install it ;) heh`
`05:58.10`	`dpower`	`deadcat: relax`
`05:58.12`	`litage`	`when i double-click on a folder on my desktop or within konq, kwrite tries to open it rather than konqueror. how can i fix this?`
`05:58.16`	`stew`	`deadcat: it still works fine here`
`05:58.16`	`JackInTheBox`	`2.4 something i just installed debian`
`05:58.26`	`stew`	`JackInTheBox: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-k7`
`05:58.27`	`JackInTheBox`	`sarge`
`05:58.42`	`deadcat`	`stew: hmm`
`05:58.51`	`daedric`	`hugle yap`
`05:58.53`	`JackInTheBox`	`is that the best for a sempron cpu?`
`05:59.01`	`stew`	`JackInTheBox: yes`
`05:59.09`	`JackInTheBox`	`ok thnx`
`05:59.50`	Dasnipa`	`how does one determine which version of deb they are running anyway? out of sheer curiosity`
`06:00.05`	`deadcat`	`dpower: dpkg -l`
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`06:00.11`	`JackInTheBox`	`ok now how do i know if my system have a CIFS module install in it?`
`06:00.12`	`LocoSway`	`deadcat: you can clear the screen?? Oo`
`06:00.17`	`dpower`	`is there a command that will display which kernel im running?`
`06:00.37`	`daedric`	`JackInTheBox load it.. if it fails.. it doesn't :D`
`06:00.38`	`dpower`	`lol wow`
`06:00.43`	`deadcat`	`LocoSway: i dont know. can you?`
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`06:00.53`	`stew`	Dasnipa`: cat "/etc/debian_version" is a easy but sometimes inaccurate way since people do dumb stuff like mix stable with testing in which case its better to look at the versions of important packages like libc6
`06:00.57`	`dpower`	`kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386`
`06:00.59`	`aeronadix`	`hey is there a file where a user's username and password are kept?`
`06:01.01`	`dpower`	`should i upgrade?`
`06:01.03`	`JackInTheBox`	`hmmm? how do i load it?`
`06:01.05`	`LocoSway`	`deadcat: only when i hit ctrl - l, i don't like typing clear`
`06:01.06`	`deadcat`	`dpower: no`
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`06:01.14`	`dpower`	`why not?`
`06:01.23`	`beardy`	`aeronadix: man passwd, man shadow`
`06:01.25`	`deadcat`	`LocoSway: ^l reload the screen right?`
`06:01.29`	`jm_`	`aeronadix: what do you think?`
`06:01.34`	Dasnipa`	`ty stew`
`06:01.38`	`stew`	`dpower: becuase that is a current version and if it ain't broke...`
`06:01.43`	`deadcat`	`dpower: uname -r`
`06:01.51`	`dpower`	`oh the 2.6 is still in testing?`
`06:01.57`	`LocoSway`	`deadcat: does the same thing as clear`
`06:02.04`	`stew`	`dpower: its in stable and testing`
`06:02.08`	`aeronadix`	`jm_: I know there is but you know maybe its in some special file or something`
`06:02.10`	`dpower`	`ok`
`06:02.20`	`aeronadix`	`thx beardy`
`06:02.38`	`jm_`	`aeronadix: man 5 passwd ; man shadow - of course there are also other options, depending on how you configured your system`
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`06:03.14`	`stew`	deadcat: is whatever editor you are using for crontab possibly trying to do something "smart" matching ` with ' or something?
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`06:03.30`	`luci0`	`what is lamer?`
`06:03.40`	`deadcat`	`luci0: its a command`
`06:03.42`	`deadcat`	`stew: just vi`
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`06:03.50`	`luci0`	`make what`
`06:03.51`	`beardy`	`!lamer`
`06:03.51`	`dpkg`	`BeWNNbWM RAve OR diE OmG DJ KnoPpIX?!`
`06:04.04`	`stew`	`OmG`
`06:04.05`	`LocoSway`	`hehe`
`06:04.08`	`aeronadix`	`jm_, what other options. Cause on my system I changed the username a couple of time trying to configuring how my name showed up on emails, but now I am not sure what was the last username I used. Although the home file /home/user is the username I first choose`
`06:04.09`	`LocoSway`	`dj knoppix`
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`06:04.26`	Dasnipa`	`a lamer is a person who uses windows AOLer, and/or likes a lot of goatse`
`06:04.36`	`LocoSway`	`mmmm, goatse`
`06:04.46`	`pcalcina`	`join #debian-arequipa`
`06:04.48`	`dpower`	`goatse hahaha`
`06:04.58`	`jm_`	`aeronadix: options like NIS, LDAP and so on`
`06:05.19`	`luci0`	`make what`
`06:05.39`	`widrone`	`luci0: man make`
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`06:05.45`	`LocoSway`	`man man`
`06:05.45`	`aeronadix`	`jm_ thanks, let me look into the first things you guys told me first`
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`06:06.00`	`deadcat`	`stew: damn. i think i have to QUIT the editor first before installing the new crontab )=`
`06:06.04`	`luci0`	`widrone what is lamer?`
`06:06.05`	`deadcat`	`there we go`
`06:06.06`	`stew`	`hah`
`06:06.18`	`xixor`	`Hey guys, speaking of goatse, if you haven't checked out this parody, "The 8 phases of goatse", its pretty funny: http://www.the-elite.net/ClarkPage/Phases/`
`06:06.21`	`dpower`	`luci0: attempt to make sense when you type`
`06:07.01`	`widrone`	`luci0: An old word that people still are arguing what means. Take a pick from gaming only computer user to complete fucktard.`
`06:07.03`	`raden`	`is there a way to make it soo only root can shutdown syste,m >`
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`06:07.24`	`deadcat`	`stew: shoudl work now.`
`06:07.25`	`luci0`	`widrone thank you`
`06:07.25`	`beardy`	`raden: That's the default.`
`06:07.31`	`adii`	`is there a tutorial or something to install brand new radeons ?`
`06:07.35`	`aeronadix`	`ok looking at /etc/passwd I figured out the username`
`06:07.47`	`adii`	`i'm to work with vesa drivers`
`06:08.03`	`luci0`	`sudo shutdown`
`06:08.05`	`stew`	`adii: do you need 3d accelleration? which radeon?`
`06:08.16`	`beardy`	`luci0: He said only root.`
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`06:09.31`	`kevix`	`beardy: on my gnome system, it has a menu which contains 'shutdown'. I can shutdown as user`
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`06:09.59`	`adii`	`stew, ATI RadeOn Xpress 200M (128 Mo), and i'll perhaps use 3D acc (for gaming)`
`06:10.05`	`beardy`	`kevix: Remove it then, either config gdm or don't run gdm.`
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`06:10.26`	`adii`	`stew, this is set on a laptop, maybe it makes a differences ?`
`06:10.29`	`stew`	`200M? does that have some number like 9200 or 9600 or something?`
`06:10.33`	Dasnipa`	`hrm maybe one day ill work on setting up my dual monitors... gunna be a hard one since its two cards one is radeon and the others nvidia and such... got everything workin against me`
`06:11.00`	`calljair`	`ok I am having a weird problem with firefox, I lost and I can't open the default profile of my browser, so I have to choose create a profile but then it does not have all the very important bookmarks.html :( do you guys know the path to fing the one that was the default?`
`06:11.12`	`adii`	`stew, not afaik :/`
`06:11.18`	`aeronadix`	`I just remembered the password`
`06:11.22`	`deadcat`	`goddamn you karsten. fucking date +$$a my ass..`
`06:11.31`	`jm_`	`it's in ~/mozilla/firefox or ~/.firefox or somesuch`
`06:11.35`	`jm_`	`pretty simple to find`
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`06:11.40`	`stew`	`adii: what version of debian?`
`06:11.49`	`adii`	`stew, sarge 2.4`
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`06:11.53`	`jm_`	`.mozilla even`
`06:12.01`	`luci0`	`how much cust video card fx 4500 ?`
`06:12.08`	`beardy`	`luci0: google`
`06:12.17`	`calljair`	`jim, believe me it is not there`
`06:12.41`	`calljair`	`jim, the profile is there and the file bookmarks.html but it is not the one that was the default.`
`06:12.42`	`luci0`	`any it says`
`06:13.20`	`calljair`	`jim, the defaukt one do not have all the addresses`
`06:13.40`	`stew`	`adii: you have two options, the free "radeon" driver that comes with x, it gets decent accelleration on cards which aren't brand new. you might try this first and see how man fps you get with glx gears, your next (not nearly as easy) option is to use the closed source drivers, instructions in /msg dpkg ati drivers`
`06:14.11`	`calljair`	`found it ;)`
`06:14.16`	`calljair`	`thank you anyway`
`06:14.20`	`aris`	`/usr/bin/maildrop: Invalid user specified.`
`06:14.25`	`aris`	`i got this error`
`06:14.27`	`kevix`	`beardy: I dont mean in gdm, in gnome`
`06:14.27`	`aris`	`i need help`
`06:15.24`	`luci0`	`beardy i living in brazil i want to know how much cust video card in its country`
`06:15.49`	`Guerin`	`luci0: newegg.com`
`06:15.55`	`adii`	`stew, i'll try both of them`
`06:16.22`	`luci0`	`Guerin thank you`
`06:16.34`	`jm_`	`I always get annoyed when looking at sites like newegg, much lower prices there`
`06:17.04`	`kevix`	`Guerin: how much to ship from newegg to kr !`
`06:17.22`	`Guerin`	`kevix: no idea, i don't buy hardware online`
`06:17.25`	`stew`	`aris: are your users authenticated via pam or something else such as mysql?`
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`06:18.48`	`kevix`	`luci0: find a linux users group, folks there may have a spare card to sell or swap!`
`06:19.21`	`deadcat`	`how can i expand the date '+%a' command in the crontab file?`
`06:19.23`	`beardy`	`kevix: Ok, and what does that menu choice actually do?`
`06:19.25`	`luci0`	`ok`
`06:20.10`	`adii`	`stew, first option didn't work, for my card is not listed in supported ati cards (found in the debug log). gonna try the second`
`06:20.15`	`aris`	`stew, via ldap`
`06:20.43`	`stew`	`aris: using courier-maildrop?`
`06:21.02`	`karsten`	`deadcat: man 5 crontab, FWIW.`
`06:21.10`	`kevix`	`beardy: log out->shutdown shuts down!`
`06:21.14`	`deadcat`	`karsten: ok`
`06:21.25`	`stew`	`deadcat: oh % might need to be escaped`
`06:21.41`	`karsten`	`deadcat: Actually, if you want a literal '%', you want to backslash escape it, my bad: '\%' so: "date +\%a"`
`06:21.53`	`aris`	`stew, nope`
`06:22.00`	`deadcat`	`karsten: ah`
`06:22.05`	`deadcat`	`thanks you 2`
`06:22.08`	`aris`	`stew, y? do i need to use courier-maildrop`
`06:22.32`	`Guerin`	`!y`
`06:22.32`	`dpkg`	`methinks y is http://www.y-windows.org/, or it's "why", not y. w h y. see u, any1. NOT a substitute for I. If you mean yourself in the first person use 'I' and not 'y'.`
`06:22.47`	`aris`	`i just use the standard maildrop package`
`06:22.48`	`karsten`	`Guerin: r u a girl?`
`06:23.08`	`Guerin`	`karsten: omg maybe`
`06:23.12`	`stew`	`aris: i don't know. i have only used the courier-maildrop package. however debian's courier-maildrop package does't have mysql or ldap support compiled in, you need to recompile the package for that`
`06:23.12`	`deadcat`	`karsten: there we go`
`06:23.12`	`kevix`	`karsten: I just did +%a and +\%a on bash, same result: tuesday!`
`06:23.13`	`karsten`	`Guerin: Long time, no kimchee.`
`06:23.17`	`Guerin`	`i mean`
`06:23.18`	`Coke`	`omg lol !!1`
`06:23.19`	`Guerin`	`mayb`
`06:23.27`	`Guerin`	`karsten: lucky for you.`
`06:23.32`	`Phated`	`Heh.`
`06:23.35`	`karsten`	`deadcat: sweet.`
`06:23.44`	`karsten`	`Guerin: Yeah, as I was about to say, life's been good. ;-)`
`06:24.05`	`Coke`	`Life. Don't talk to me about life.`
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`06:25.31`	`aris`	`stew, where can i get the source for courier-maildrop`
`06:25.31`	`aris`	`?`
`06:25.42`	`stew`	`aris: apt-get source courier-maildrop`
`06:25.55`	`stew`	`aris: /msg dpkg source ; /msg dpkg debian/rules`
`06:26.09`	`Coke`	`"Why should I want to make anything up? Life's bad enough as it is without trying to invent any more of it." / Marvin`
`06:26.15`	`aris`	`stew, do u think courier-maildrop will help me set per user quota?`
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`06:27.40`	`stew`	`aris: i've had no problems enforcing quotas using courier-maildrop`
`06:27.45`	`ordinary`	`yo. I'm trying to play CDs on my Debian computer, and I seem to have a problem with about a third if the discs in that the computer thinks there is no disc in the drive. The discs are clean. Is the drive just lazy? The software seems oblivious to what is going on -- all players I have tried report the same thing. Is there some secret command to tell the dvd drive to try harder?`
`06:28.18`	`stew`	`hmm that reminds me that i need to recompile my local courier packages for .sarge3`
`06:28.33`	`aris`	`stew, can you give me some howtos?`
`06:28.42`	`beardy`	`ordinary: Your drive is bad, probably.`
`06:28.52`	`adii`	`how should i know i'm running XFree861 4.1, 4.2 or 4.3 ?`
`06:29.07`	`jm_`	`ask package management, xdpyinfo also displays version`
`06:29.15`	`jm_`	`or check X logfile`
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`06:29.25`	`adii`	`ok`
`06:29.27`	`adii`	`thanks`
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`06:30.08`	`zulkifar`	`Hi. Is /usr/local/etc used in startup process to launch non-root (users') services?`
`06:30.40`	`zulkifar`	`or /etc/init.d/ is the only correct place for that?`
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`06:30.51`	`Coke`	`ordinary: there are dozens of ways to play CD, the most obvious (and possibly most "desktop") is to use XMMS or Beep (multimedia utilities a'la WinAmp)`
`06:30.53`	`zulkifar`	`i.e. /etc/rc.*`
`06:30.59`	`aris`	`stew, can you give me some howtos?`
`06:31.17`	`Coke`	`ordinary: XMMS can play both from the device (/dev/x) as well as a mounted cdrom.`
`06:31.22`	`sencompas`	`if I am making a bash script and I ssh into a location with that ssh will I lose the script?`
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`06:31.44`	`stew`	`aris: apt-get install build-essential fakeroot ; apt-get build-dep courier-maildrop ; apt-get source courier ; cd courier-0.47 ; edit debian/rules ; add --enable-maildropldap to the ./configure line ; dpkg-buildpakage -rfakeroot ; cd .. ; dpkg -i ./courier-maildrop*.deb`
`06:31.51`	`beardy`	`sencompas: Why would you?`
`06:31.54`	`loxley`	`sencompas: ?`
`06:32.06`	`sep`	`sencompas, you mean you want to run commands remotly tru ssh as part of a bash script ?`
`06:32.08`	`Coke`	`stew: I'm thinking of changing my name to "Stewie", what do you think?`
`06:32.12`	`sencompas`	`well, I would thinking... if I su I loose the script could it happen wiht ssh?`
`06:32.31`	`sep`	`sencompas, use sudo for that`
`06:32.34`	`ordinary`	`Coke: thanks for the suggestions. Using xmms, etc. works, most of the time. Like I said, some discs just don't get along with my drive.`
`06:32.37`	`sencompas`	`I know`
`06:32.48`	`sencompas`	`I have the problem fixed now`
`06:32.51`	`Coke`	`ordinary: I think you might benefit from getting another drive.`
`06:33.01`	`beardy`	`I said that..`
`06:33.11`	`sencompas`	`but what if I ssh into a server will the script be lost?`
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`06:33.53`	`stew`	`aris: after you install you will need to create a /etc/maildropldap.config ; you'll have to google for an example`
`06:34.15`	`sep`	`sencompas, if you just ssh yes, if you do something like ssh user@host command and the command finished ok then no the script continue`
`06:34.37`	`sep`	`sencompas, ofcouse t will halt for password so you might want to use ssh-agent and add your key first. but that's sshish`
`06:34.40`	`aris`	`k`
`06:34.46`	`sencompas`	`I did that`
`06:35.00`	`sencompas`	`but you can run jsut one command from ssh?`
`06:35.06`	`aris`	`stew, will it affect the settngs of my courier-authdeamon / imap?`
`06:35.16`	`sep`	`sencompas, or one && two \|\| three`
`06:35.17`	`sencompas`	`ssh user@host <command>?`
`06:35.21`	`sep`	`yes`
`06:35.31`	`stew`	`aris: no, they coexist peacefully, i'm running courier-imap here`
`06:35.34`	`sep`	`but the command can be more then 1 command with && \|\| ; etc`
`06:35.36`	`sencompas`	`nice.. thats will work for me`
`06:35.40`	`sencompas`	`ok cool`
`06:35.41`	`sencompas`	`thanks`
`06:35.50`	`sencompas`	`!beer sep`
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`06:38.43`	`aris`	`what will i edit at debian/rules ?`
`06:40.06`	`stew`	`aris: you should see a section with a ton of --with-something \n --without-somthingelse \--enable-blahblahblah you shoud add --enable-maildropldap as one of those options`
`06:40.29`	`aris`	`stew, then?`
`06:40.44`	`aris`	`it said i cant compile courier as root`
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`06:41.32`	`mo1991`	`anyone know what fonts or active X controls are necessary to get steam going under cedega? I can't see the steam agreement or scrool down to click I agree while running steam under cedega`
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`06:41.54`	`stew`	`aris: yeah you shouldn't be compiling as root, sorry, you should have been doing apt-get source, ... up through dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot as user, not as root, sorry`
`06:42.00`	`aum`	`something weird - on trying to contact my server (10.0.0.1), my worstation (10.0.0.3) loops the connection back on itself - outward pings to 10.0.0.n fail, except for pings to 10.0.0.1 which are actually the workstation pinging itself - problem goes away after a reboot - any ideas?`
`06:42.21`	`aum`	`btw - this happens very rarely - once every few weeks`
`06:42.23`	`SimonRaven`	`mo1991: #cedega. we don't support such things`
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`06:43.02`	`mo1991`	`SimonRaven - I know - just thought someone here might know as it seems nobody in cedega does - config for fonts should be the same under wine as well`
`06:43.03`	`stew`	`aum: sounds like something is changing your routing table`
`06:43.08`	`SimonRaven`	`wtf anyone would ask something irrelevant to debian here is beyond me`
`06:43.21`	`servus`	`Chicken or beef?`
`06:43.48`	`beardy`	`servus: fish`
`06:44.08`	`servus`	`That'd explain the smell.`
`06:44.18`	`aris`	`stew, sorry but how can use fakeroot`
`06:44.50`	`adii`	`i have a amd64 and i've installed an i386 debian. now i'm trying to install graphic card drivers : should i choose "x86" or "x86_64" ?`
`06:45.22`	`karsten`	`SimonRaven: WTF anyone would ask ksomething relevant to debian here ... um ... is left as an exercise to the reader.`
`06:45.22`	`encompass`	`can I have not only a /home/user/ but a /backup/user created when I use the adduser command?`
`06:45.29`	`stew`	`aris: "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot"`
`06:45.54`	`aum`	`adii: suggest 'x86' if you want it to work`
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`06:46.21`	`beardy`	`encompass: Write a script.`
`06:46.27`	`adii`	`aum, do you come accross people who doesn't want their devices to work ?`
`06:46.29`	`karsten`	`encompass: write a wrapper for that.`
`06:46.30`	`kevin`	`aris: install it?`
`06:46.32`	`encompass`	`I am writing a script`
`06:46.32`	`jm_`	`encompass: you have my permission`
`06:46.34`	`adii`	`i mean , often ? ;)`
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`06:46.52`	`jm_`	`man adduser`
`06:46.54`	`SimonRaven`	`/usr/local/sbin/adduser.local, it's in /usr/share/doc/adduser ...`
`06:46.56`	`karsten`	`encompass: eg: adduser foo && ( mkdir /backups/foo; chown -R foo /backups/foo )`
`06:46.58`	`jm_`	`indeed`
`06:46.59`	`encompass`	`would it be jsut easy to make a /home/user/backup/ dir?`
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`06:47.09`	`SimonRaven`	`go read`
`06:47.34`	`aris`	`kevin, not yer`
`06:47.42`	`encompass`	`karsten perfect thanks`
`06:47.42`	`karsten`	`encompass: Possibly. adduser gets its defaults from /etc/adduser.conf, but doens't AFAICT support arbitrary commands added to that.`
`06:48.05`	`encompass`	`what ia AFAICT?`
`06:48.08`	`SimonRaven`	`no, but adduser.local does... go fricking read`
`06:48.10`	`encompass`	`I am new to irc terms`
`06:48.12`	`karsten`	`encompass: ... I did the local homebrew script when managing ~350ish users and having to create some Samba / Windows infrastructure.`
`06:48.15`	`SimonRaven`	`!afaict`
`06:48.15`	`dpkg`	`somebody said afaict was As Far As I Can Tell, afaict anywayz`
`06:48.18`	`karsten`	`!tell encompass about afaict`
`06:48.36`	`MrNaz`	`anyone know if the /bin/hostname program is always in /bin or if its location varies from distro to distro ?`
`06:48.38`	`encompass`	`thanks karsten`
`06:48.50`	`SimonRaven`	`MrNaz: only debian has it AFAIK`
`06:49.08`	`MrNaz`	`SimonRaven i'm using it in redhate...`
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`06:49.21`	`SimonRaven`	`ok`
`06:49.22`	`karsten`	`SimonRaven: It's in Centos 4.0`
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`06:49.43`	`karsten`	`MrNaz: Binaries can and do vary i n location, though I'm finding this in /bin.`
`06:50.08`	`karsten`	`MrNaz: ... which is why it's often useful to either specify a path in shell scripts, or to test existence of utilities.`
`06:50.14`	`encompass`	`ha`
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`06:50.49`	`karsten`	`encompass: ... ex roomie of mine used to get baked with cake, but that's a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.`
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`06:55.24`	`va_`	`while installing sarge, i didn't add any apt sources except for my cdrom. Can i go back to that configuration now (perhaps with dpkg-reconfigure smth) to add http sources?`
`06:56.45`	`SimonRaven`	`apt-setup`
`06:57.11`	`va_`	`thanks`
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`06:58.57`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Anyone know why I keep getting error from k3b... Could not find growisofs executable?`
`06:59.12`	`TwistedEmotions`	`I found the bug report... http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=328589`
`06:59.19`	`TwistedEmotions`	`but I dont get how to fix it.. ;(`
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`06:59.57`	`servus`	`Um, apt-get install dvd+rw-tools right? :)`
`07:00.09`	`jm_`	`it even tells you which version of k3b includes fixes`
`07:00.35`	`TwistedEmotions`	`already got that`
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`07:01.15`	`beardy`	`TwistedEmotions: Do you have the version they talk about, that the problem is corrected in?`
`07:01.42`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Im running .12.5-1`
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`07:03.01`	`TwistedEmotions`	`they are talking about 12.4a... I dont get what to do to fix it;P`
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`07:04.01`	`beardy`	`TwistedEmotions: Seems it didn't get fixed then, perhaps.`
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`07:04.48`	`TwistedEmotions`	`;(`
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`07:06.08`	`loxley`	`TwistedEmotions: you running sudo?`
`07:06.14`	`fireba11`	`wee am back, now over 4 MBit line :-)`
`07:06.41`	`loxley`	`ahh`
`07:06.43`	`loxley`	`he left`
`07:06.53`	`jmd`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:07.15`	`SimonRaven`	`because upstream removed them...`
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`07:07.50`	`jmd`	`SimonRaven, Really!!??? I asked over at #gnome and they denied that.`
`07:08.15`	`SimonRaven`	`didn't see them in the source last time i checked`
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`07:08.33`	`aris`	`stew, do i need to add something on my main.cf?`
`07:08.43`	`SimonRaven`	`(this was when 2.10 was just starting to come into sid/experimental, i.e., months ago)`
`07:09.03`	`jmd`	`Have they just gone to a different package or gone, GONE ??`
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`07:09.46`	`SimonRaven`	`gone gone afaict`
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`07:10.16`	`Seb`	`how do I find out what version of gcc was used to compile the running kernel ?`
`07:10.16`	`jmd`	`They were the only two I ever used!`
`07:10.34`	`beardy`	`Seb: uname -a`
`07:10.34`	`SimonRaven`	`Seb: cat /proc/version`
`07:10.46`	`Seb`	`beardy: nope`
`07:10.47`	`Seb`	`SimonRaven: k`
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`07:10.57`	`Seb`	`SimonRaven: thx man`
`07:11.03`	`SimonRaven`	`but /proc/version makes you l33t ;p`
`07:11.13`	`SimonRaven`	`uname -a works too`
`07:11.23`	`h5n1`	`?`
`07:11.28`	`jm_`	`it doesn't`
`07:11.32`	`Seb`	`uname -a doesn't do it for me: Linux foo 2.6.12 #1 SMP Sun Aug 28 20:20:23 PDT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux`
`07:11.42`	`SimonRaven`	`oh no it doesn't`
`07:12.13`	`beardy`	`SimonRaven: I thought so too, but not now anyway, I think it did before..`
`07:12.26`	`SimonRaven`	`Linux version 2.6.13-p3 (root@acahkos) (gcc version 4.0.2 (Debian 4.0.2-2)) #1 Sun Oct 16 09:19:57 EDT 2005`
`07:12.36`	`SimonRaven`	`/proc/version`
`07:12.42`	`SimonRaven`	`Linux acahkos 2.6.13-p3 #1 Sun Oct 16 09:19:57 EDT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux`
`07:12.45`	`SimonRaven`	`nope`
`07:12.46`	`stew`	`aris: yes add maildrop_destination_recipient_limit = 1 to main.cf. do you already have a maildrop entry in master.cf?`
`07:13.14`	`beardy`	`before, as in woody, running a 2.4 kernel.. oh well.`
`07:13.25`	`aris`	`stew, yeah`
`07:13.30`	`aris`	`stew, what else?`
`07:13.56`	`stew`	`aris: /etc/maildropldap.config`
`07:14.44`	`aris`	`theres no maildropldap.config`
`07:15.01`	`stew`	`aris: yeah, you need to create one`
`07:16.01`	`aris`	`stew, what should it contain?`
`07:16.18`	`stew`	`aris: you need to google for that one`
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`07:18.20`	`aeronadix`	`hey anyone know about exim4, fetchmail & mutt. I have them configured for gmail. When I send email useing just gmail, it shows on the header FirstName LastName <email@gmail.com> But when I send using mutt it shows us er name<email@gmail.com> How do I fix this?`
`07:18.45`	`aeronadix`	`like my system username is split into three`
`07:19.03`	`adii`	`got a prob here : my comp (sarge 2.4 on an amd64) crashes whenever i go in console with ctrl+alt+f?`
`07:19.15`	`resiak`	`aeronadix: Read the mutt FAQ, which tells you how to set your From: header. Alternatively, configure Exim4 to rewrite your email address. It is documented.`
`07:19.19`	`spdf`	`adii, are you sure its crashed?`
`07:19.31`	`spdf`	`adii, Or, is the display just not working?`
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`07:19.43`	`SimonRaven`	`ok, i was wondering if i was going nuts or something.`
`07:19.45`	`aeronadix`	`thanks resiak`
`07:19.46`	`adii`	`could be the display not working too, or the keyboard not responding`
`07:19.49`	`SimonRaven`	`oops, too late`
`07:20.51`	`adii`	`when i try ctrl+alt+f7 to get back to gdm it doesn't answer either`
`07:20.51`	`spdf`	`adii, What display driver are you using for X?`
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`07:20.51`	`adii`	`spdf, vesa`
`07:20.52`	`adii`	`i need to go to console so as to install fresh ati drivers`
`07:20.52`	`resiak`	`adii: /msg dpkg ati ?`
`07:21.03`	`spdf`	`adii, Boot into a different runlevel then. One that doesnt start X..`
`07:21.11`	`resiak`	`adii: /msg dpkg nodm`
`07:21.30`	`kevix`	`aeronadix: did you set anything in your .muttrc ?`
`07:21.33`	`SimonRaven`	`spdf: redhatism`
`07:21.37`	`beardy`	`resiak: spdf too`
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`07:21.42`	`beardy`	`!nodm`
`07:21.42`	`dpkg`	`Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console`
`07:21.48`	`spdf`	`SimonRaven, Redhatism? :)`
`07:21.54`	`SimonRaven`	`yes`
`07:21.57`	`Seb`	`spdf: precisely`
`07:21.59`	`spdf`	`SimonRaven, Makes sense. I started on rh..`
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`07:22.09`	`Seb`	`servus: we knew that`
`07:22.12`	`adii`	`spdf, i'm little afraid of booting on a different runlevel : suppose it crashes at startup ..`
`07:22.16`	`Seb`	`hrm spdf`
`07:22.23`	`servus`	`How dare you.`
`07:22.23`	`beardy`	`adii: Forget about runlevels.`
`07:22.26`	`SimonRaven`	`don't worry, we can tell ;)`
`07:22.26`	`adii`	`resiak, i've read "useati" :)`
`07:22.32`	`spdf`	`Though, i'm not totally sure I know what you mean`
`07:23.01`	`SimonRaven`	`redhat makes use of rc 5 to start x, and other stuff to the runlevels, debian doesn't`
`07:23.18`	`spdf`	`Ahh.. I'll quit that now.`
`07:23.22`	`SimonRaven`	`fedora does the same afaict`
`07:23.29`	`beardy`	`adii: (forget about runlevels and X and no X that is, halt and reboot are still important of course)`
`07:23.31`	`spdf`	`Yah, it does.`
`07:24.28`	`spdf`	`Strange that it hadn't registered in my brain that I hadn't done anything with run levels for so long..`
`07:24.36`	`adii`	`beardy, still, i could totally crash my comp by removing gdm, since it crashes when i go into a console with ctrl+alt+f1`
`07:24.40`	`spdf`	`Chalk it up to just waking up I guess`
`07:24.46`	`adii`	`gdm & company`
`07:24.58`	`spdf`	`adii, When you boot, do you see text?`
`07:25.05`	`SimonRaven`	`"hunh... just woke up... neeeeed coffeeee"`
`07:25.05`	`beardy`	`adii: Why are you running unstable?`
`07:25.06`	`adii`	`spdf, yes i do`
`07:25.13`	`adii`	`adii running sarge`
`07:25.30`	`SimonRaven`	`eeeat brains`
`07:25.38`	`adii`	`lol`
`07:25.46`	`spdf`	`adii, Then, it won't crash. As long as the vesa driver doesn't load, you'll be super duper.`
`07:26.17`	`SimonRaven`	`super duper leaky freaky`
`07:26.35`	`spdf`	`easy peezy japaneezy..`
`07:27.09`	`SimonRaven`	`cooper looper lopey dopey`
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`07:27.28`	`adii`	`sounds weird to remove gdm from gdm`
`07:27.52`	`adii`	`(i'm doing it)`
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`07:28.01`	`SimonRaven`	`do it do it!`
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`07:28.23`	`spdf`	`mmm.. cold alfredo..`
`07:28.36`	`spdf`	`Breakfast of champions.. and by champions, I mean lazy people.`
`07:29.09`	`SimonRaven`	`yeh, champions of laziness`
`07:29.16`	`spdf`	`I'm the winner!`
`07:29.30`	`SimonRaven`	`s/winner/weiner/`
`07:29.33`	`SimonRaven`	`;p`
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`07:30.07`	`eliteforce`	`when i loose my ssh connection screen still stays connected to the ssh process, so i have to kill it if i want to reattach screen - is there a better way to do that?`
`07:30.16`	`adii`	`ok no more gdm, and no crash great`
`07:30.39`	`encompass`	`is there a bash script that is like pause in dos?`
`07:30.40`	`SimonRaven`	`eliteforce: 'lose'. start screen remotely in another terminal`
`07:30.52`	`stew`	`eliteforce: it will time out eventually, you can screen -x instead of screen -r if there is already somehting attached to the screen`
`07:31.01`	`SimonRaven`	`encompass: man bash; sleep XX where XX is in seconds`
`07:31.13`	`encompass`	`I mean, it will waight`
`07:31.16`	`encompass`	`...`
`07:31.22`	`spdf`	`wait?`
`07:31.27`	`SimonRaven`	`while loop`
`07:31.27`	`encompass`	`it will wait unitl I press a key`
`07:31.36`	`SimonRaven`	`or read, or ...`
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`07:32.02`	`eliteforce`	`stew: and whats with the ssh connection process?`
`07:32.14`	`eliteforce`	`stew: the timed out one`
`07:32.22`	`stew`	`eliteforce: what do you mean?`
`07:32.35`	`SimonRaven`	`ugh, sleep`
`07:32.37`	`adii`	`ok crashed`
`07:32.40`	`adii`	`..`
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`07:32.55`	`spdf`	`adii, crashed doing what?`
`07:33.06`	`adii`	`i was typing "apt-get install lin "`
`07:33.19`	`adii`	`linux-kernel-2.4.2. ...`
`07:33.24`	`adii`	`crashed at "lin"`
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`07:33.40`	`spdf`	`adii, that's strange..`
`07:34.00`	`encompass`	`cool thanks SimonRaven read works great`
`07:34.04`	`adii`	`yea :p kinda dull`
`07:34.49`	`eliteforce`	`stew: if i get disconnect from my internet provider ssh still runs with screen attached to it`
`07:34.51`	`SimonRaven`	`np`
`07:35.43`	`stew`	`eliteforce: oh, wait, maybe i'm confused, are you running screen on the local machine or the remote machine?`
`07:35.51`	`Gumby`	`does anyone in here know of an application that will read mp3/mp4 id3 tags and sort them into artist/album/song.mp3 ? I need to sort 12GB of unorganized songs.`
`07:35.55`	`aris`	`stew, how can i know if my maildropldap.config is working?`
`07:35.57`	`aris`	`stew, how can i know if my maildropldap.config is working?`
`07:36.04`	`eliteforce`	`stew: on the remote machine`
`07:36.32`	`stew`	`eliteforce: the sshd on the remote machine will eventually time out`
`07:36.32`	`eliteforce`	`im using putty on my local machine`
`07:36.55`	`eliteforce`	`stew: eventually :D`
`07:37.18`	`stew`	`aris: try delivering mail`
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`07:38.28`	`SimonRaven`	`aris: set up a ldap only mail account and try some mail sending`
`07:38.28`	`litage`	`quick q: what's the bash syntax for "cmd if expr" rather than "if [ expr]; then cmd; fi"?`
`07:38.28`	`Franck`	`hello i need your help, how can i configure automatically the network at startup ?`
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`07:38.28`	`aris`	`echo "msg" \| maildrop -d user?`
`07:38.28`	`Franck`	`(ip route, iptables etc..) ?`
`07:38.29`	`stew`	`aris: yeah`
`07:38.47`	`stew`	`Franck: /msg dpkg man interfaces ; man interfaces`
`07:39.18`	`Franck`	`tx for this tip, and does it works for iproutes2?`
`07:39.20`	`stew`	`litage: expr && cmd?`
`07:39.37`	`aris`	`stew, invalid user specified`
`07:39.40`	`stew`	`litage: test expr && cmd`
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`07:39.55`	`beardy`	`eliteforce: screen -DR when you log in again and the screen is still up from the previous connection`
`07:39.55`	`litage`	`stew: ah right. thanks`
`07:40.01`	`stew`	`aris: are you specifying something like "aris" or "aris@domain.com"`
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`07:40.23`	`SerajewelKS`	`what is the configlet to change my hostname and domain?`
`07:40.40`	`aris`	`yeah`
`07:40.47`	`stew`	`which`
`07:40.48`	`aris`	`stew, is theere any logs?`
`07:40.55`	`aris`	`stew, the one with domain`
`07:40.56`	`stew`	`SerajewelKS: man 1 hostname ; man 5 hostname`
`07:41.18`	`SimonRaven`	`configlet?`
`07:41.32`	`spdf`	`SerajewelKS, There's a GUI in Gnome, if thats what you want..`
`07:41.42`	`stew`	`aris: strace maildrop and make sure its actually looking at maildropldap.config ; if it is check your ldap logs to see if its actually connecting`
`07:41.47`	`SerajewelKS`	`stew, spdf, i mean like 'dpkg-reconfigure what'`
`07:41.59`	`resiak`	`!hostname`
`07:41.59`	`dpkg`	`use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist`
`07:42.07`	`spdf`	`SerajewelKS, Oh.`
`07:42.20`	`aris`	`ok ok`
`07:42.21`	`aris`	`wait`
`07:42.50`	`stew`	`SerajewelKS: i don't think there is such a package`
`07:43.06`	`stew`	`yay, my last checkin is done, i get to go to bed`
`07:43.14`	`SimonRaven`	`'teat'`
`07:43.15`	`SerajewelKS`	`i also have a very involved question about setting up bind and having a subdomain delegate DNS to my server, but i'm not sure if this is a good place to ask.`
`07:43.58`	`stew`	`SerajewelKS: #dns`
`07:44.07`	`SerajewelKS`	`stew, thanks`
`07:44.35`	`aris`	`stew, strace? a lot of characters appeared on my screen`
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`07:45.31`	`xavy`	`hi there`
`07:46.20`	`xavy`	`could anybody help me with debian and vsftpd suppport to virtual users�`
`07:48.06`	`deadcat`	`ok. my X crashed while i was burning with gcombust. now the cdrom blinking bout no process indicating cdrecord, how can i eject/stop the damn thing?`
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`07:48.27`	`eliteforce`	`stew: is there an option to set the timeout?`
`07:48.50`	`xavy`	`well I have debian sarge and vsftpd. I have followed some tutrials to inlcude virtual users through PAm but I can't get virtual users logging in my machine`
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`07:50.00`	`eliteforce`	`deadcat: try to unmount it :D`
`07:50.05`	`xavy`	`hi skiold spanish too I c ;)`
`07:50.08`	`jm_`	`xavy: some tutorials? how about the documentation in /usr/share/doc/vsftpd which works just fine?`
`07:50.09`	`scruffy`	`deadcat: umount -f might get it unlocked (or possibly -l)`
`07:50.12`	`deadcat`	`eliteforce: its not mounted`
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`07:50.30`	`xavy`	`jm_, I have read it too, and it says basicly the same`
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`07:50.38`	`jm_`	`xavy: that process worked just fine for me`
`07:50.53`	`xavy`	`jm_, ith bd3 isn't it?`
`07:51.21`	`jm_`	`xavy: you mean db3? yes`
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`07:51.51`	`xavy`	`yes, sorry ( in spanish is Base de datos, that's why i mistook the name of the prog ;)`
`07:52.12`	`xavy`	`i has no idea what I have done wrong`
`07:52.38`	`xavy`	`Would you like me to tell you what steps did I follow so you could tell me if I did anything wrong?`
`07:53.03`	`aris`	`stew`
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`07:53.11`	`deadcat`	`ok. my X crashed while i was burning with gcombust. now the cdrom blinking bout no process indicating cdrecord, how can i eject/stop the damn thing?`
`07:53.25`	`jm_`	`I just followed the steps in $docdir/vsftpd/EXAMPLE/VIRTUAL_USERS/README.gz`
`07:53.27`	`spdf`	`deadcat, I'd think the cdrom still has data in the buffer, and that's what its working with.. Similar to windows, a restart might be the only way..`
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`07:54.03`	`deadcat`	`spdf: damn. that sounds right then... oh well. bt downloading. and its been up for 45days (=`
`07:54.08`	`aris`	`stew, help`
`07:54.09`	`aris`	`stew, help`
`07:54.27`	`spdf`	`deadcat, lol, I know its hard :)`
`07:54.40`	`wobbler`	`deadcat: did you try /usr/bin/eject`
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`07:54.47`	`deadcat`	`wobbler: yes`
`07:55.04`	`scruffy`	`deadcat: umount -f?`
`07:55.08`	`wobbler`	`you may have to log out then`
`07:55.10`	`xavy`	`jm I wonder then why does not work on my system`
`07:55.11`	`deadcat`	`scruffy: ITS NOT MOUNTED`
`07:55.18`	`scruffy`	`ugh`
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`07:55.38`	`jm_`	`xavy: I have no idea, did you check logs?`
`07:56.03`	`xavy`	`yes but they do not tell me anything relevant apart from the fact that a user did not manage to login`
`07:56.20`	`wobbler`	`deadcat: just log out and back may break it loose`
`07:56.29`	`adii`	`what package should i install to have "make-kpkg" ?`
`07:56.31`	`deadcat`	`wobbler: log out of what?`
`07:56.50`	`tzafrir_home`	`adii, kernel-package`
`07:56.51`	`wobbler`	`whatever wm your in`
`07:56.52`	`xavy`	`jm_, Mon Oct 24 22:40:54 2005 [pid 9495] [erze] FAIL LOGIN: Client "127.0.0.1"`
`07:57.05`	`jm_`	`xavy: but no PAM messages?`
`07:57.06`	`deadcat`	`wobbler: like i said X crashed. that means i was out.`
`07:57.13`	`xavy`	`not at all`
`07:57.17`	`wobbler`	`oh shit i see`
`07:57.32`	`jm_`	`xavy: it should mention PAM if PAM authentication fails`
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`07:57.59`	`xavy`	`perhaps it is not correctly linked to pam?`
`07:58.08`	`tzafrir_home`	`adii, next time: apt-cahce search command_name #as it is normally in the description of the package, if not package name`
`07:58.35`	`spdf`	`deadcat, Maybe try doing another burn without media and see if it reinitializes the device..`
`07:58.50`	`deadcat`	`spdf: ok`
`07:59.18`	`aris`	`stew, help`
`07:59.22`	`spdf`	`or a cdrecord -inq`
`07:59.26`	`deadcat`	`spdf: i love you baby (=`
`07:59.32`	`spdf`	`deadcat, worked? :)`
`07:59.34`	`deadcat`	`spdf: i did a blank cd`
`07:59.42`	`deadcat`	`erase the cdrw i mean`
`07:59.42`	`deadcat`	`hehe`
`07:59.46`	`adii`	`tzafrir_home, ok thanks for the trick :)`
`07:59.57`	`adii`	`tzafrir_home, hell not trick , what's the word ... tip`
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`08:01.39`	`xavy`	`jm_, I have the PAm file as /etc/pam.d/vsftpd instead of /etc/pam.d/ftp should it be the problem?`
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`08:02.06`	`kenboo`	`is there po-mode package for emacs?`
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`08:02.31`	`xavy`	`note = in vsftpd.conf I have the folowing lines : # This string is the name of the PAM service vsftpd will use.`
`08:02.31`	`xavy`	`pam_service_name=vsftpd`
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`08:03.26`	`kenboo`	`it seems gettext-el is the one`
`08:03.46`	`jm_`	`xavy: I think I also used vsftpd file`
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`08:05.22`	`bucky`	`kenboo, does it automatically go into po mode when you open a .po file ?`
`08:05.45`	`adii`	`where can i change my kernel options ?`
`08:06.07`	`resiak`	`adii: You compile your own ... but wyh?`
`08:06.19`	`adii`	`not really compiling i'm not skilled enough`
`08:06.19`	`kenboo`	`bucky, sure...what i was looking for was the po-mode module itself`
`08:06.25`	`deadcat`	`or if its a module, you wan to change option?`
`08:06.34`	`adii`	`i'm configuring it , cos i'm installing ati drivers`
`08:06.45`	`xavy`	`jm_, did you have to add anything to pam.conf?`
`08:06.57`	`spdf`	`adii, You can use a packaged debian kernel with the fglrx drivers..`
`08:07.02`	`xavy`	`sorry if i am bothering you ;)`
`08:07.13`	`spdf`	`adii, Where are you getting your drivers from? Flavio or ATi's site?`
`08:07.25`	`bucky`	`kenboo, /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/po-mode.el ?`
`08:07.30`	`adii`	`following flavio's guide`
`08:07.46`	`kenboo`	`bucky, i installed gettext-el deb package. thanks`
`08:07.49`	`spdf`	`adii, You just need kernel headers, and you're set..`
`08:07.50`	`adii`	`i'm in hurry cos girlfriend's "mayde" , i m back in some other time, sorry for disturbing you`
`08:08.10`	`jm_`	`xavy: no, I just created a file in /etc/pam.d with auth and account lines - let me test it here`
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`08:08.32`	`spdf`	`adii, Well, get to the girlfriend, debian'll be here later.. ;)`
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`08:09.07`	`deadcat`	`spdf: i dont know what he wants to know. asking for help but wants to come back later..`
`08:09.17`	`deadcat`	`why not just come back later and ask for help`
`08:09.24`	`robin_sz`	`or .. better still`
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`08:11.10`	`xavy`	`gosh!`
`08:11.12`	`jm_`	`xavy: which db_load utility did you use?`
`08:11.22`	`xavy`	`jm_, do not bother I have managed to make it work`
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`08:11.28`	`xavy`	`it was just a stupid error`
`08:11.30`	`xavy`	`sorry ;)`
`08:11.39`	`jm_`	`xavy: db3_load vs. db_load?`
`08:11.47`	`ts0`	`hi, what its the actual package manager of debian?`
`08:11.49`	`xavy`	`I was putting the pam file as vsftpd.pam instead of vsftp`
`08:11.52`	`xavy`	`xD`
`08:11.53`	`jm_`	`ts0: dpkg`
`08:11.56`	`jm_`	`ohh`
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`08:12.16`	`ts0`	`jm_: but if i want to install all gnome stuff, what should i use?`
`08:12.20`	`lawrence`	`Hello all`
`08:12.26`	`jm_`	`ts0: aptitude or apt-get obviously`
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`08:12.33`	`xavy`	`jm_, thank you for your time :)`
`08:12.37`	`jm_`	`xavy: no worries`
`08:12.45`	`ts0`	`aptitude, it's that i want to know, tks`
`08:13.14`	`lawrence`	`has anyone ever seen this error.. "sudo: must be setuid root"`
`08:13.33`	`lixus`	`what is a fast alternative to "dpkg -S /path/to/foobar" to identify which file belongs to what package ?`
`08:13.43`	`caphuso`	`lawrence: happens if someone or something messes up permissions`
`08:13.46`	`resiak`	`lawrence: Amazingly, that error means _exactly_ what it says.`
`08:13.49`	`servus`	`lixus: apt-get install apt-file`
`08:13.51`	`jm_`	`lixus: try apt-file`
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`08:13.55`	`servus`	`apt-fiel search foobar`
`08:14.02`	`xavy`	`C ya all and congrats for the channel. Debian rocks the world ;)`
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`08:14.07`	`servus`	`!apt-file`
`08:14.07`	`dpkg`	`i heard apt-file is util used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also auto-apt and pdo`
`08:14.07`	`apfel`	`What post script viewers are there besides gv?`
`08:14.11`	`lawrence`	`haha.. well I was messing up permissions as I am a newb.. so.. hah.. what do I do about it?`
`08:14.20`	`caphuso`	`lawrence: fix them`
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`08:14.35`	`caphuso`	`and fucking stay away from stuff you don't understand`
`08:14.41`	`lawrence`	`caphuso: ahh yes.. but do you konw how?`
`08:14.47`	`caphuso`	`lawrence: chmod. chown. chgrp.`
`08:14.58`	`spdf`	`lawrence, Do what you did, but sorta backwards, with different switches..`
`08:14.59`	`eurisko`	`caphuso u could be more soft.`
`08:15.07`	`lawrence`	`I need woot for that.. woot doesn't work..`
`08:15.09`	`servus`	`!u`
`08:15.09`	`dpkg`	`Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not U. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201`
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`08:15.36`	`ts0`	`there is an openoffice channel in freenode?`
`08:15.37`	`caphuso`	`eurisko: who or what is "u" and why could he or it be more soft?`
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`08:15.54`	`eurisko`	`you`
`08:15.58`	`resiak`	`caphuso: (or she ;))`
`08:16.02`	`bucky`	`that sounds like something ubuntu would do`
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`08:16.11`	`caphuso`	`resiak: this is IRC. females are a myth ;-)`
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`08:16.19`	`resiak`	`Phated: ^^^^!!!!!`
`08:16.43`	`eurisko`	`females are myth everywhere nowadays.`
`08:16.47`	`Gnea`	`caphuso: blasphemy!`
`08:17.08`	`servus`	`lawrence: As root, try chown root:root /usr/bin/sudo && chmod +s /usr/bin/sudo`
`08:17.38`	`lawrence`	`I am unable to root anything now`
`08:17.47`	`resiak`	`lawrence: Are you running Ubuntu?`
`08:17.51`	`servus`	`"su -" and type in the root password.`
`08:17.54`	`lawrence`	`I think my root died.. so I guess this tree is dead..`
`08:17.58`	`lawrence`	`yeah..`
`08:18.01`	`resiak`	`!ubuntu`
`08:18.01`	`dpkg`	`See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu \| http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 \| Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or \| Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian.`
`08:18.30`	`dli`	`can I the time of a dir? including all inside`
`08:18.37`	`resiak`	`!ubuntu =~ s/#ubuntu/#ubuntu (not here!)/`
`08:18.37`	`dpkg`	`OK, resiak`
`08:18.42`	`lawrence`	`are you saying Ubuntu is more different to Debian than I origionally expected?`
`08:19.01`	`Gnea`	`eurisko: eurisko heh`
`08:19.15`	`Gnea`	`lawrence: dude, ubuntu is not debian, what part of that is not understood?`
`08:19.21`	`resiak`	`lawrence: It's not our fault that Ubuntu ships with root's account disabled, so that you have to use sudo to do anything as root.`
`08:19.45`	`lawrence`	`yeah.. it's a problem alright..`
`08:19.49`	`eurisko`	`Gnea, i should get a metrosexual style for me... maybe females will start to be part of my life.`
`08:19.54`	`lawrence`	`I think I'll shift to Debian`
`08:19.58`	`lawrence`	`are the updates free?`
`08:20.03`	`eurisko`	`yes they are.`
`08:20.06`	`servus`	`eurisko: Maybe. Females love me. :P`
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`08:20.20`	`Gnea`	`eurisko: thinking that females are a myth will not win you any.`
`08:20.50`	`Gnea`	`grrrr`
`08:21.04`	`lawrence`	`well then.. looks like I'm going to be a Debian guy now.. I always liked the images and the help here is much better than the help in Ubuntu's..`
`08:21.12`	`Gnea`	`it looks like something with the cups system has gone down the tubes in sid`
`08:21.30`	`lawrence`	`.. Channel`
`08:21.43`	`robin_sz`	`you say there are cups down Sids tubes?`
`08:21.50`	`Gnea`	`indeed.`
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`08:22.55`	`Gnea`	`no, what i'm saying is that i can't print or scan anymore`
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`08:26.05`	`amorphix`	`hi guys`
`08:26.08`	`lawrence`	`hi`
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`08:26.33`	`spdf`	`Don't like it?`
`08:26.47`	`amorphix`	`if my ip address is 192.168.1.3 what should my network and broadcast IP's be?`
`08:26.54`	`amorphix`	`i cant start X`
`08:27.04`	`amorphix`	`gotta work from the shell today`
`08:27.25`	`spdf`	`Network 255.255.255.0, Broadcast 192.168.1.1 .. I think`
`08:27.33`	`amorphix`	`oh`
`08:27.38`	`amorphix`	`thats odd`
`08:27.38`	`Guerin`	`amorphix: netmask`
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`08:27.59`	`Guerin`	`amorphix: if in doubt, you can usually leave them blank`
`08:28.06`	`amorphix`	`oh i didnt know`
`08:28.09`	`Guerin`	`ifconfig is fault-tolerant`
`08:28.25`	`amorphix`	`I think false values is causing me problems`
`08:28.47`	`Guerin`	`amorphix: run etherconf and it's tell you defaults`
`08:28.51`	`hytt`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:29.06`	`amorphix`	`strangely tho, whenever I boot my laptop interface is configured with old values which I have since removed from interfaces! where does it get them from?`
`08:29.13`	`dli`	`amorphix, 192.168.1.255`
`08:29.14`	`spdf`	`Bah.. Point out my morning stupidity again will you ;)`
`08:29.17`	`amorphix`	`ok`
`08:29.27`	`Guerin`	`yeah, 255 should be the broadcast`
`08:29.30`	`hytt`	`192.168.1.3 => network 192.168.1.0`
`08:29.36`	`amorphix`	`cool thanks`
`08:29.43`	`douglas`	`dot zero?!`
`08:29.48`	`amorphix`	`i guessed right the 1st time then`
`08:29.49`	`douglas`	`you got balls`
`08:29.52`	`Guerin`	`douglas: for a network, yes.`
`08:29.58`	`douglas`	`:)`
`08:30.02`	`Guerin`	`douglas: what's wrong with that?`
`08:30.32`	`douglas`	`nothing, it's just badass, like everything done on debian`
`08:30.48`	`douglas`	`in this case i'm just assuming`
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`08:31.10`	`hytt`	`sometimes network is not a .0 ,cuz sub-netwrok+ mask configuration`
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`08:31.51`	`douglas`	`i'm used to .1 myself`
`08:32.05`	`douglas`	`different strokes for different folks`
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`08:32.18`	`hytt`	`its depend of your netmask`
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`08:32.44`	`douglas`	`dude i'm just being a jerkoff ... i'll take a break from that`
`08:32.51`	`amorphix`	`hehe`
`08:33.14`	`Gnea`	`oh wow.`
`08:33.30`	`squareff`	`do you people think ubuntu is, overall, benefic for debian or malefic?`
`08:33.35`	`Gnea`	`i never realized there was a 'beep' command`
`08:33.43`	`Gnea`	`!poll`
`08:33.43`	`dpkg`	`"Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>`
`08:33.46`	`douglas`	`malefic did not know that word`
`08:34.33`	`Guerin`	`squareff: don't troll`
`08:34.42`	`Gnea`	`for i in 100 200 300 400 500 600 700 800 900 1000 1100 1200 1300 1400 1500 1600 1700 1800 1900 2000 3000 4000 5000 6000 7000 8000 9000; do beep -f $i; done`
`08:34.43`	`squareff`	`douglas: the antonym of "benefic". ("antonym" mean sort of an "opposite")`
`08:34.51`	`Gnea`	`that's tripped out`
`08:34.54`	`Guerin`	`squareff: that's practically begging for a flamewar`
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`08:34.59`	`squareff`	`Guerin: i didn't realise this would mean trolling`
`08:35.01`	`douglas`	`beneficient?`
`08:35.11`	`Gnea`	`again.`
`08:35.13`	`Gnea`	`!poll`
`08:35.13`	`dpkg`	`"Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>`
`08:35.29`	`Gnea`	`!bad polls`
`08:35.29`	`dpkg`	`The reasons we hate polls are because: 1) they are a massive waste of IRC and bandwidth and screen real estate when asked in a 700 person channel. Did you want 700 answers? 2) They're often a prelude to isolating one helper and barraging him or her in /msg. BAD!, or 3) We don't care about Ubuntu, this is #debian`
`08:35.30`	`scruffy`	`Gnea: ever wished bash had 100 ... 9000 like perl?`
`08:35.32`	`squareff`	`ok. got it. sorry.`
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`08:35.47`	`Gnea`	`thank you`
`08:35.59`	`Gnea`	`scruffy: oooh i forgot about that one...`
`08:36.00`	`douglas`	`squareff: a safe #debian operating assumption is that anything tempting to say is probably something you should hold back on`
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`08:36.11`	`douglas`	`dig?`
`08:36.24`	`Gnea`	`douglas: he obviously already figured it out.`
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`08:36.30`	`bbrazil`	`scruffy: seq`
`08:36.47`	`scruffy`	`bbrazil: ah ha`
`08:36.49`	`squareff`	`douglas: got it`
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`08:37.22`	`amorphix`	`thats done`
`08:37.23`	`Gnea`	`scruffy: gah, it's been so long - what's the syntax for that again? :)`
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`08:37.56`	`amorphix`	`strange thing...when I boot my laptop the interface is configured with an old IP address/network and MTA hangs during boot process`
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`08:38.03`	`fluppet`	`hey - I've got a question`
`08:38.16`	`hytt`	`ip 192.168.1.54/24 network=192.168.1.0, but for 192.168.1.54/30 network= 192.168.1.52 and broadcast=192.168.1.55, so network not always a ".0"`
`08:38.19`	`Gnea`	`you've got questions, we've got answers`
`08:38.25`	`neiljp`	`anyone know a reliable sftp client that can do recursive transfers? (plain sftp doesn't seem to, and gftp appears to fail for some files in a big heap, but works for individuals, which makes it rather unreliable :( )`
`08:38.27`	`squareff`	`douglas: but do you have any idea how many people from debian think one way and the other? (rough percentages or at least which of them are more than the others)`
`08:38.46`	`scruffy`	`Gnea: well, won't work in shell by itself. In perl it's like for(1...10) I believe.`
`08:39.03`	`douglas`	`it seems like a nice idea at the moment, but at least from my experience coral caching either doesn't work or is as slow as balls... over time does this have potential to be the next big thing or will the tragedy of the commons concept always keep it hurting`
`08:39.27`	`fluppet`	`I'm running Debian (and I'm quite new to it) - when I type one of my program names, it just says 'Command Not Found'... is there something like ./ that I have to put before the program name? Thanks`
`08:39.36`	`caphuso`	`scruffy: bash3 has {1..10}`
`08:39.48`	`dimir`	`!bad balls`
`08:39.49`	`amorphix`	`I'm experiencing a computer that is able to re-configure it's own nic at boot time`
`08:39.51`	`scruffy`	`Gnea: perl -e 'print $_, "\n" for(1 ... 10);'`
`08:40.00`	`douglas`	`squareff: ... well, i'd start with number of people in #debian divided by one`
`08:40.01`	`fluppet`	`(btw: ./ before the program name doesn't work)`
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`08:40.11`	`scruffy`	`caphuso: oh, nice`
`08:40.18`	`douglas`	`then minus one`
`08:40.22`	`douglas`	`for the new guy`
`08:40.25`	`ice_1963`	`:0)`
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`08:40.46`	`amorphix`	`what could cause a nic to auto-configure to settings different to those held in /etc/network/interface?`
`08:41.03`	`douglas`	`fluppet: is this a fresh install or did things used to work`
`08:41.29`	`caphuso`	`ksh`
`08:41.35`	`caphuso`	`oops`
`08:41.39`	`Gnea`	`scruffy: it's been too long since i did perl`
`08:41.52`	`scruffy`	`Gnea: me, too`
`08:41.52`	`douglas`	`because debian and apt do a good job of laying all the PATHs out for you`
`08:42.09`	`amorphix`	`could my router be configuring my network settings on this laptop?`
`08:42.11`	`spdf`	`amorphix, ../network/interface or ../network/interfaces?`
`08:42.18`	`scruffy`	Gnea: caphuso pointed out `echo {1..10}`
`08:42.23`	`fluppet`	`douglas: I'm not actually the sys admin... I suppose I should ask them, but I thought it might have been something peculiar to Debian...`
`08:42.30`	`amorphix`	`spdf: /network/interfaces I think`
`08:42.32`	`squareff`	`douglas: i guess you mean all people here are unique. i think i should agree. thanks.`
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`08:42.38`	`Phated`	`resiak: You summoned?`
`08:42.39`	`spdf`	`amorphix, just checkin ;)`
`08:43.07`	`amorphix`	`i dunno what cause it to ignore my settings and restore old ones`
`08:43.15`	`amorphix`	`everytime I boot it does it`
`08:43.16`	`douglas`	`squareff: well, at least according to that led zepplin song going to california, "never let them tell you that we're all the same"`
`08:43.18`	`dli`	`I installed the whole system with wrong system time (1999, something), anything special is needed to fix this?`
`08:43.29`	`resiak`	`Phated: 09:16 caphuso : resiak: this is IRC. females are a myth ;-)`
`08:43.33`	`Phated`	`LIES`
`08:43.36`	`resiak`	`:)`
`08:43.40`	`amorphix`	`stairway to heaven`
`08:43.49`	`spdf`	`haha`
`08:44.40`	`amorphix`	`why cant I run X anymore?`
`08:44.52`	`douglas`	`fluppet: most sys admins with a lot of users to govern really go out of their way to limit the kind of programs users can install, or even chmodding ping away from them`
`08:44.55`	`amorphix`	`I get a message saying: //.Xauthority timeout`
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`08:45.36`	`douglas`	`amorphix: ... good luck with all that`
`08:45.39`	`amorphix`	`looks like I'm gonna have to reinstall Debian + X, its quicker than trying to solve problems`
`08:45.47`	`douglas`	`bingo`
`08:45.52`	`amorphix`	`I can waste a day in here asking questions or just reinstall`
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`08:46.12`	`amorphix`	`ah well, here goes`
`08:46.15`	`douglas`	`reinstall now .. get the latest businesscard iso off of debian.org/devel/debian-installer`
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`08:46.25`	`rogval_jimz`	`khydge_ziron`
`08:46.33`	`fluppet`	`douglas: oh, I forgot to say two things: We also have servers running FreeBSD, and I can run anything no problem on those... but on the Debian ones I can't, and 2: it's only some programs (most programs), some I just type the name and it runs (even though i wrote all of them myself - even the ones that don't run)`
`08:46.35`	`douglas`	`amorphix i'm rooting for you, you're being very rational about this`
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`08:46.42`	`amorphix`	`cant I just use my old Stable CD and upgrade after?`
`08:46.49`	`Phated`	`Why not?`
`08:46.58`	`amorphix`	`douglas: thanks, this is very frustrating`
`08:47.17`	`dli`	`amorphix, yes`
`08:47.26`	`amorphix`	`ok i will do that`
`08:47.28`	`spdf`	`amorphix, sounds like a permissions problem on your .Xauthority`
`08:47.30`	`douglas`	`you're taking the wisest way out for the sake of preserving your sanity`
`08:47.32`	`dli`	`amorphix, I have boxes upgraded the whole way from potato`
`08:47.50`	`khydge`	`hi`
`08:47.50`	`amorphix`	`spdf: I have my home folder mounted on nfs`
`08:48.04`	`dli`	`amorphix, got X problems?`
`08:48.05`	`Gnea`	`ok`
`08:48.07`	`Gnea`	for i in `echo {1000..1100}`; do beep -f $i; done
`08:48.12`	`Gnea`	`that is just...heh`
`08:48.13`	`amorphix`	`i can run X from a workstation fine, on the same mounted nfs folder`
`08:48.41`	`amorphix`	`but this laptop has other issues as i mentioned earlier, it does funky networking reconfigure at boot time and MTA hangs up`
`08:48.53`	`douglas`	`the frequently upgraded installer in that directory has consistantly been very good, and the business card iso is like fifty megs, and it's nice to start out with very little and install what you need as time goes on, unless you don't mind having a zillion things that you just won't ever use`
`08:48.53`	`amorphix`	`so I think theres more stuff going on`
`08:49.18`	`amorphix`	`i guess`
`08:49.23`	`douglas`	`one of the larger perks being its autoconfigging improvements`
`08:49.27`	`caphuso`	`douglas: the business card CD installs the very same system as any other installer medium`
`08:49.57`	`amorphix`	`well at least my router is working normally`
`08:50.04`	`amorphix`	`for now. heh`
`08:50.12`	`Gnea`	`ok`
`08:50.15`	`Gnea`	`this is really annoying`
`08:50.19`	`douglas`	`caphuso: this is true, but if you take into account the longevity of your burning laser, . ...`
`08:50.29`	`Gnea`	`once it starts it can't be stopped`
`08:50.35`	`amorphix`	`Gnea whats wrong?`
`08:50.43`	`Gnea`	`it's fucking beeping like holy hell`
`08:50.49`	`amorphix`	`eeek`
`08:50.58`	`spdf`	`Haha`
`08:51.03`	`scruffy`	`Gnea: thank god I don't have 'beep'`
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`08:51.10`	`amorphix`	`I had to disconnect the system speaker on my workstation because it was just too damn annoying`
`08:51.27`	`caphuso`	`douglas: claimed to be 150000 hours. really not worried about that`
`08:51.43`	`ahewitt`	`hey guys...I am having trouble running cgi's through apache2's suexec. I have written a cgi that I use to test whether suexec is working or not, and if I run it from within a web request it fails. BUT if I change to the www-data user and run the suexec command manually using the uid/gid of the cgi's owner it works? I am getting nothing in the suexec log at all when I do it through the web request...and if I strace the process I dont even`
`08:51.59`	`douglas`	`now that i think about it, 150000 should be enough for everyone`
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`08:52.07`	`scruffy`	`amorphix: you might like this on other systems: xset b off`
`08:52.15`	`amorphix`	`cool`
`08:53.04`	`fluppet`	`so, no one can help me? Do I have to contact the sys admin then?`
`08:53.34`	`ahewitt`	`fluppet: what was the question?`
`08:53.57`	`scruffy`	`fluppet: modify your $PATH`
`08:54.05`	`douglas`	`damn, openssh-server upgrading's talking trash about telnetd in its config`
`08:54.29`	`douglas`	`he's not root`
`08:54.53`	`fluppet`	`scruffy: But why do some program run, and others just say 'Command Not Found'?`
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`08:55.21`	`fluppet`	`scruffy: I wrote all of the programs, and I can't see any difference between the ones that run, and those that don't`
`08:55.26`	`spdf`	`fluppet, are they chmod +x?`
`08:55.36`	`douglas`	`ahh beat me to the +x question :)`
`08:55.40`	`scruffy`	`fluppet: /full/path/to/program/you/wrote`
`08:55.57`	`spdf`	`fluppet, make a ~/bin and add ~/bin to your path... move your applications into there..`
`08:55.57`	`fluppet`	`spdf: Yes, and remember I don't have any problem running them on FreeBSD`
`08:56.00`	`douglas`	`or you could cd into its dir and type ./[the prog]`
`08:56.02`	`ahewitt`	`fluppet: and are you using a full path to run them...or just typing the program name in the directory in which it resides?`
`08:56.02`	`scruffy`	`fluppet: or edit your $PATH? (echo $PATH)`
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`08:56.34`	`fluppet`	`ahewitt: Even programs in the same directory won't run while others do`
`08:56.50`	`scruffy`	`fluppet: ./prog_in_current_dir`
`08:56.59`	`fluppet`	`scruffy: nope, that doesn't work either`
`08:57.06`	`spdf`	`fluppet, that doesn't seem right.. unless you're messing up capitalization or something..`
`08:57.13`	`scruffy`	`fluppet: perl programs?`
`08:57.22`	`fluppet`	`spdf: Nope, even using auto-complete...`
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`08:57.33`	`douglas`	`perl?? you mean php i hope`
`08:57.33`	`amorphix`	`im back in X yay`
`08:57.39`	`douglas`	`heh`
`08:57.49`	`fluppet`	`scruffy: no, c`
`08:57.52`	`amorphix`	`was just permission on Xauthority file as someone pointed out`
`08:57.57`	`douglas`	`amorphix you got a fast-ass cdrom on that install there`
`08:58.02`	`amorphix`	`haha`
`08:58.07`	`spdf`	`amorphix, Cool, I thought it may have been that..`
`08:58.15`	`amorphix`	`:-) thanks`
`08:58.16`	`ahewitt`	`fluppet: are the programs owned by your user?`
`08:58.24`	`scruffy`	`fluppet: whew, got me there.`
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`08:58.30`	`fluppet`	`ahewitt: Yes, I wrote them`
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`08:58.40`	`douglas`	`well something's bound to go wrong with sound in the very near future for amorphix so don't rule out a reinstall ....`
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`08:58.57`	`amorphix`	`I still have issue with the nic reverting to old settings at boot up and also I'm not able to mount nfs folder`
`08:59.06`	`amorphix`	`I dont think reinstalling will solve these`
`08:59.20`	`Gnea`	`ok`
`08:59.20`	`fluppet`	`Well, I've sent an e-mail to admin... I'll wait and see what they say... thanks for you suggestions!`
`08:59.23`	`amorphix`	`oh my sound is down also`
`08:59.28`	`Gnea`	`that was so bad, i had to slam the reset button`
`08:59.32`	`douglas`	`i knew it`
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`09:00.15`	`amorphix`	`I get a window pop up when I start X saying ALSA couldnt be initialised or something`
`09:00.21`	`Knight_Lord`	`Is there a debian way to get 3w-9xxx driver in my initrd?`
`09:00.24`	`douglas`	`you need to get a separate computer for sound .. you play the video on debian, but you synch the sound up with winamp on the other computer. Not too hard, just a couple pause/unpauses`
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`09:01.17`	`douglas`	`amorphix: you know lspci and modconf/`
`09:01.18`	`douglas`	`?`
`09:01.18`	`Knight_Lord`	`My problem is that mdadm is not building the array at boot time because the driver is not loaded and the disks not recognized, so i need 3x-9xxx at boot time`
`09:01.23`	`scruffy`	`fluppet: we are talking about C programs built in Debian, right?`
`09:01.37`	`amorphix`	`yes`
`09:01.53`	`douglas`	`are they elite progs? because if not, there you go`
`09:01.56`	`douglas`	`this is debian`
`09:02.01`	`amorphix`	`debian rocks`
`09:02.06`	`douglas`	`f'ing a`
`09:02.08`	`spdf`	`amorphix, check to make sure modules are loaded atleast`
`09:02.15`	`amorphix`	`ok`
`09:02.17`	`Gnea`	`Knight_Lord: best method there is to roll your own kernel and have it built-in`
`09:02.19`	`spdf`	`amorphix, we'll start from there`
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`09:02.50`	`fireba11`	`need someone with stringer script-fu ... i need a init.d script to check for a file and to delete if it exits .. soemone can give me a shortcut to that ?`
`09:03.03`	`Knight_Lord`	`Gnea ok just checking if there was a simpler way. I'll just edit the /etc scripts to assemble the array afterwards and mount the partition`
`09:03.04`	`amorphix`	`0000:00:0d.0 Multimedia audio controller: ESS Technology ES1983S Maestro-3i PCI Audio Accelerator`
`09:03.09`	`fireba11`	`that is only the "delete if exists" command is needed`
`09:03.27`	`Knight_Lord`	`Gnea i don't absolutely need it at boot time, it would only be prettier`
`09:03.35`	`Gnea`	`fireba11: if [ -f /the/file ]; then rm -f /the/file; else echo "the file is already gone."; fi`
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`09:03.47`	`fireba11`	`Gnea: thanks a lot :-)`
`09:03.52`	`Gnea`	`np :)`
`09:04.00`	`caphuso`	`how about a simple "rm -f /the/file"?`
`09:04.03`	`douglas`	`amorphix, fire up modconf and see what's doing in the sound modules`
`09:04.09`	`amorphix`	`ok`
`09:04.10`	`tzafrir_home`	`rm -f is also "delete if exists". It won't err if the file does not exist`
`09:04.11`	`douglas`	`now that you got htat info`
`09:04.16`	`Gnea`	`caphuso: condition`
`09:04.22`	`caphuso`	`Gnea: what for?`
`09:04.29`	`Gnea`	`caphuso: who knows, who cares?`
`09:04.42`	`Knight_Lord`	`It would be nice if there was a simple way to put stuff in initrd without having to compile the kernel yourself`
`09:04.42`	`caphuso`	`rm -f won't delete non-existant files...`
`09:04.53`	`spdf`	`amorphix, check alsaconf as well`
`09:04.54`	`avdyk`	`hi, is there a channel about debian installation? I'm not able to install a base system nor from the d-i cd nor with debootstrap.`
`09:05.13`	`douglas`	`Knight_Lord: there's gotta be ..`
`09:05.18`	`caphuso`	`Knight_Lord: uhm`
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`09:05.46`	`fireba11`	`Gnea caphusodelete without error when not ther is also fine :-)`
`09:05.48`	`SpamHog`	`eth0 with dhcp won't come up at startup; /etc/network/interfaces is OK, I can get eth0 up with "ifup -a" or "dhclient" or "ifconfig eth0 up"; what is the standard way of automatically biding "all interfaces up" at boot time?`
`09:05.49`	`douglas`	`woah buddy, i got caphuso's back`
`09:05.54`	`douglas`	`step off`
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`09:06.31`	`spdf`	`SpamHog, by adding "auto <interface>" to your /etc/network/interfaces`
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`09:06.35`	`amorphix`	`thanks guys`
`09:06.52`	`Knight_Lord`	`Did anyone have problems installing debian 3.1 using the 2.6 kernel on 500GB hardrives? I tried yesterday and couldn't. I had to use the 2.4 and then upgrade. Should i submit a bug report? (btw it works fine with 400GB HD, it's specific to 500GB)`
`09:06.54`	`SpamHog`	`spdf: thanks! will check`
`09:07.21`	`douglas`	`amporhix: right on, good luck with the rest of the problems you're going to run into over the next twenty minutes`
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`09:07.40`	`Knight_Lord`	`I think it's kernel related bug from 2.6.8, but it's fixed in 2.6.11 available from unstable`
`09:07.54`	`SpamHog`	`Knight_Lord: where do you see it fail?`
`09:08.00`	`adii`	`on flavio's website i have statements concerning "kernel options" : where can i change those options ?`
`09:08.11`	`Gnea`	`Knight_Lord: heh, if you can find it`
`09:08.22`	`Knight_Lord`	`SpamHog during the installation i had a 500GB seagate connected to my sata controller`
`09:08.31`	`spdf`	`adii, You don't need to change any kernel options if you're using one of debians packaged kernels...`
`09:08.42`	`spdf`	`adii, Which kernel version are you using?`
`09:08.45`	`Knight_Lord`	`SpamHog if i boot with a 2.4 kernel the disk is there. With a 2.6 it's not`
`09:08.56`	`Knight_Lord`	`SpamHog if i replace the 500GB by a 400GB everything works fine`
`09:09.33`	`douglas`	`My motherboard came with a cd that I believe sets the thing up to pump audio out of the right jacks and probably some other things (now my mic is my line-out). I'm guessing this is one thing WINE can't handle, right`
`09:09.38`	`Knight_Lord`	`SpamHog I also have a 3ware controller on the same box. If i put he 500 on the 3ware it's also detected fine`
`09:09.51`	`vorsprung`	`how do I find someone who runs opn`
`09:10.12`	`vorsprung`	`or freenet or freelove or whatever this irc net is called this week?`
`09:10.28`	`Gnea`	`vorsprung: opn? what's that?`
`09:10.30`	`Knight_Lord`	`SpamHog if you need any more details just ask`
`09:11.21`	`SpamHog`	`Knight_Lord: might be a bug, might be smtg else... FWIK historically problems cropped up when having to add a bit to addressing (512M, 8G, 32G, 137G etc.) and I don't see one such jump there. I'd suggest flaky controller.`
`09:11.25`	`amorphix`	`Now ALSA is ready to use. Have a lot of fun!`
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`09:12.00`	`douglas`	`high five baby`
`09:12.03`	`amorphix`	`heh. no sound`
`09:12.10`	`spdf`	`amorphix, start up alsamixer`
`09:12.10`	`amorphix`	`no fun to be had`
`09:12.12`	`scruffy`	`amorphix: sounds just like those SuSE (Suse? SuSe?) people. ;)`
`09:12.13`	`amorphix`	`ok`
`09:12.13`	`douglas`	`ahh, i knew it was too good to be true`
`09:12.16`	`spdf`	`amorphix, make sure its not muted or anything..`
`09:12.22`	`douglas`	`maybe mess with some other sound servers`
`09:12.30`	`Knight_Lord`	`SpamHog it works fine with 2.4 from debian and 2.6.11. It's the 2.6.8 that comes with debian that's a problem. I don't buy the flaky controller thing`
`09:12.40`	`spdf`	`amorphix, pcm and master`
`09:12.55`	`Guerin`	`Knight_Lord: so use a debian 2.6.13 kernel`
`09:13.02`	`SpamHog`	`Knight_Lord: right... flaky was my thinking`
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`09:13.06`	`douglas`	`or forget testing it in x and pump dev random into the sound card directly`
`09:13.07`	`Knight_Lord`	`Guerin that's what i did`
`09:13.28`	`Knight_Lord`	`Guerin i'm just asking whether i should submit a bug report about the installer`
`09:13.37`	`SpamHog`	`not the installer`
`09:13.46`	`Guerin`	`Knight_Lord: nope; the sarge installer is fixed.`
`09:13.46`	`Knight_Lord`	`SpamHog the kernel of the installer`
`09:13.55`	`Guerin`	`Knight_Lord: future installers will support it.`
`09:14.08`	`Knight_Lord`	`Guerin ok`
`09:14.26`	`SpamHog`	`OK, might re-file it if they don't see it as theirs... happened to me :)`
`09:14.28`	`amorphix`	`where the hell is alsamixer at`
`09:14.35`	`spdf`	`amorphix, apt-get install alsa-utils`
`09:14.50`	`amorphix`	`ah. thanks spdf`
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`09:15.11`	`amorphix`	`already installed`
`09:15.15`	`SpamHog`	`futire kernels will support crypted telepathy`
`09:15.25`	`amorphix`	`is it called something else, like volume control?`
`09:15.32`	`spdf`	`amorphix, hmm.. nope, its alsamixer (from the command line)`
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`09:15.40`	`amorphix`	`ok`
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`09:16.53`	`douglas`	`aumix`
`09:17.00`	`Knight_Lord`	`Guerin but still i think it would be helpful for people to find something on the internet that tells them that 500GB HD might not work with the 2.6.8 and they should try the 2.4 kernel instead`
`09:17.02`	`douglas`	`apt get that one`
`09:17.06`	`amorphix`	`sheesh still no sound`
`09:17.14`	`spdf`	`Quick question.. Where are the vim recovery files saved? I'm getting 50 emails a day from the stupid thing.. and I'm way to lazy to vi -r them all`
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`09:17.24`	`spdf`	`amorphix, you put up both the pcm and master sound levels?`
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`09:17.41`	`amorphix`	`yup`
`09:17.51`	`Gnea`	`!nvidia one-liner`
`09:17.51`	`dpkg`	`nvidia one-liner is, like, update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources>`
`09:18.00`	`douglas`	`amorphix check that you're not running multiple sound servers`
`09:18.11`	`amorphix`	`ok`
`09:18.31`	`douglas`	`and give xmms with oss a shot too`
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`09:19.21`	`amorphix`	`i sorted it`
`09:19.35`	`amorphix`	`i selected "autodetect" in X and that did it`
`09:19.44`	`douglas`	`got it?`
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`09:20.13`	`douglas`	`'cause my next suggestion was to start banging shit and blowing dust off your chips`
`09:20.23`	`amorphix`	`lol`
`09:20.55`	`douglas`	`but dont blow if you've been drinking a lot of salt water, that's just asking for trouble`
`09:21.00`	`Guerin`	`Knight_Lord: why? the default kernel is 2.4`
`09:21.14`	`douglas`	`2.4 still hanging in there.. respect.`
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`09:21.49`	`Knight_Lord`	`Guerin but many people do use 2.6 as 2.4 is lacking several important drivers`
`09:22.17`	`Guerin`	`Knight_Lord: and if one kernel doesn't work, you try the other one, right?`
`09:22.36`	`herbi`	`about to run a dist-upgrade on a debian unstable box. nothing alerting me to issues in /topic, just thought I'd check before i hit enter`
`09:22.45`	`douglas`	`1.2.13 got the job done for me, but that was on slackware`
`09:23.05`	`herbi`	`i got burnt pretty badly the last time i did a dist-upgrade while wxpython and shit were borked :P`
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`09:23.10`	`Guerin`	`!bless herbi`
`09:23.13`	`douglas`	`herbi what did you have originally and what are you replacing it with in your sources`
`09:23.13`	`dpkg`	`O $DEITY, bless your child herbi, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen.`
`09:23.13`	`Jon_`	`Hey all. I have my laptop paired with my bluetooth mobile phone, and to connect I make a data call to UK2.net (call the service provider) on the mobile through my laptop. Does this count as some kind of special data transfer call, or just a local call.`
`09:23.24`	`Knight_Lord`	`Guerin but it's not obvious it's a kernel problem, that's the problem`
`09:23.26`	`douglas`	`(.list)`
`09:23.29`	`herbi`	`douglas, ive had this debian unstable install since about 2002`
`09:23.37`	`herbi`	`i dist-upgrade once a month or so?`
`09:23.49`	`Knight_Lord`	`Guerin one might guess at first it has a broken HD`
`09:23.50`	`herbi`	`upgrade kernel when i need to`
`09:24.00`	`herbi`	`ta Guerin ;)`
`09:24.02`	`spdf`	`herbi, anything wrong with an apt-get upgrade?`
`09:24.05`	`Knight_Lord`	`Guerin or motherboard problems, or screwed up BIOS`
`09:24.07`	`Guerin`	`Knight_Lord: if one knows one's hardware, one wouldn't.`
`09:24.15`	`blaamann`	`Jon_: UK2.net should be able to answer that ?`
`09:24.25`	`Gnea`	`with that whole beep thing, i hit the reset button in the middle of an aptitude upgrade - it effectively left X dead in the water, glx unreliable, and a few binaries fucked with feedback data`
`09:24.28`	`herbi`	`spdf, nope, but this is my home box, not one of my servers at work, so i dont mind /too/ much if it breaks ;)`
`09:24.35`	`douglas`	`herbi: ok so you're not dist-upgrading from unstable to woody`
`09:24.35`	`herbi`	`plus, the more it breaks the more i learn ;)`
`09:24.37`	`Gnea`	`just to get it to shut up`
`09:24.48`	`douglas`	`good outlook`
`09:25.02`	`Jon_`	`yeah, it's just that will take time and I kinda need it today - and from what I've seen theres a good collection of knowledge here. Thanks anyway :)`
`09:25.04`	`SpamHog`	`spdf: I do have "auto <interface>" /etc/network/interfaces, yet I need to issue ifup -a to get eth0 to come alive... Is something missing from the boot scripts? Where do I look?`
`09:25.05`	`Jon`	`one of these days I shall fix irssi's nick highlighting to not pester me with so many false positives`
`09:25.14`	`herbi`	`lets put it this way, i wouldnt be working as a debian sysadmin for the au government right now if i hadntve broken my first debian unstable dist-upgrade all those years ago :P`
`09:25.27`	`spdf`	`SpamHog, Can you put your interfaces config up on a pastebin?`
`09:25.30`	`herbi`	`anyway, ive hit enter :D`
`09:25.32`	`herbi`	`bye!`
`09:25.49`	`SpamHog`	`spdf: into #flood?`
`09:25.52`	`nevyn`	`herbi: csiro?`
`09:25.56`	`Gnea`	`herbi: "things not to do" ;)`
`09:25.57`	`spdf`	`SpamHog, sure`
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`09:26.08`	`douglas`	`i wonder how irssi's been alive still in spite of the existance of bitchx`
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`09:26.25`	`nevyn`	`douglas: me too except vica versa`
`09:26.29`	`Gnea`	`douglas: people use it.`
`09:26.40`	`herbi`	`nevyn, yeah, nice guess :P`
`09:26.46`	`SpamHog`	`spdf: will do, switching to other comp`
`09:27.19`	`douglas`	`has ebonics.irc been being developed for irssi only?`
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`09:27.22`	`herbi`	`i work for www.ict.csiro.au ;)`
`09:27.32`	`Lunx`	`well I'm getting bitchx right this minute :)`
`09:27.46`	`douglas`	`holla`
`09:28.12`	`nevyn`	`douglas: some people prefer irc clients without trojan backdoors`
`09:28.29`	`douglas`	`without trojan backdoors, huh ... interesting`
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`09:28.39`	`douglas`	`i think you may be onto something`
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`09:30.10`	`douglas`	`a pitty about ebonics.irc fading into oblivion.. they could have really gone places with that project`
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`09:30.28`	`Gnea`	`oh they went places with it alright`
`09:30.45`	`douglas`	`like to +b zones`
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`09:31.19`	`douglas`	`too many OJ lines in there, that's why`
`09:31.24`	`douglas`	`they needed new material`
`09:31.54`	`BaBy_ImOeT^_^`	`hai?`
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`09:32.11`	`SpamHog`	`spdf, done, see ~flood`
`09:32.14`	`douglas`	`i'm gonna track down a copy and see how long i can survive in #gentoo`
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`09:32.27`	`spdf`	`SpamHog, Hmm.. That should bring it up just fine`
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`09:32.53`	`SpamHog`	`spdf, that's why I guess the init scripts miss something`
`09:33.05`	`gordon`	`Hello everbody. Does anyone know the name of the package that I would need to apt-get to install gcc-3.4.3?`
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`09:33.26`	`SpamHog`	`and I don't know where "ifup -a" or some such like should be`
`09:33.27`	`douglas`	`gordon: gcc`
`09:33.40`	`gordon`	`douglas that get's me 4.0.2-2`
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`09:33.47`	`Gnea`	`oh nice, aptitude done went and uninstalled cvs on me`
`09:33.48`	`spdf`	`gordon, gcc-3.4`
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`09:33.54`	`Dilku`	`how can I install openoffice2 into sarge ?`
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`09:34.09`	`henk`	`I want to set up a mailserver and i was looking at helios to do it for me, has anyone got any experience with it ?`
`09:34.17`	`douglas`	`gordon: what debian version's in your sources.list`
`09:34.18`	`Lunx`	`yay, Bitchx here we are`
`09:34.18`	`gordon`	`spdf that gets me gcc-3.4.4`
`09:34.36`	`spdf`	`gordon, oh, well.. purple monkey dishwasher..`
`09:34.37`	`Gnea`	`gordon: apt-cache search gcc-3.4 maybe?`
`09:34.41`	`douglas`	`now you flossing the bling bling lunx`
`09:35.03`	`alienbrain`	`gordon: also, take a look at apt-cache --names-only search gcc`
`09:35.07`	`douglas`	`gordon: you'll have an easier search on debian.org's package search`
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`09:35.18`	`Gnea`	`gordon: what's the difference? just a few lines of code...`
`09:35.21`	`douglas`	`grab the deb and dpkg it in`
`09:35.30`	`alienbrain`	`err, already said :D`
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`09:35.35`	`dannythm`	`hello`
`09:35.53`	`douglas`	`dannythm: howdy`
`09:35.56`	`SpamHog`	`spdf: I could hack smtg up with ksysv but I'd rather do it the standard way, this ssystem will have to work for years`
`09:35.58`	`gordon`	`it says I have the "3.4" package =\`
`09:36.21`	`dannythm`	`I've smashed my MBR and grub booting sequence trying to fix my winXP, how can I reinstall grub without reinstaling my debian system?`
`09:36.40`	`gordon`	`Gnea module assistant won't build nvidia into the kernel without the same version of gcc as was used to build this kernel`
`09:36.47`	`Gnea`	`dannythm: got a grub boot disk?`
`09:36.58`	`dannythm`	`Gnea: nope... how can I make one?`
`09:37.02`	`Gnea`	`gordon: good point - so rebuild the kernel`
`09:37.10`	`gordon`	`Gnea good idea`
`09:37.10`	`hytt`	`dannythm> boot disk, or livecd, execute grub inside`
`09:37.22`	`Gnea`	`dannythm: are you in debian or stuck in xp?`
`09:37.44`	`dannythm`	`Gnea: I'm now in debian, but in other computer`
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`09:37.57`	`Gnea`	`dannythm: oh ok cool - floppies are accessable?`
`09:38.00`	`spdf`	`SpamHog, assuming you haven't done anything weird with the init scripts, there's no reason why it shouldn't work.. assuming the modules are loading properly as well..`
`09:38.09`	`dannythm`	`Gnea: I got some knoppix CD's , but I think it would be easier witha grub booting cd....`
`09:38.28`	`dannythm`	`Gnea: nope, none ogf my comps have floppy`
`09:38.42`	`SpamHog`	`dannythm, if /boot/grub/menu.lst is still in good shape, use a live CD like knoppix or systemrescuecd, get into the root of system you have to fix, do chroot ./ then try grub-install /dev/hda`
`09:38.49`	`douglas`	`for webalizing my access logs, it would be sweet if i could get some modded traceroute thing to take its best guess on an ip's location not using long/latitude info like xtraceroute but best-guessing with the last hop with a city or something in the host (or both ways) to produce logs with very detailed geographic demographics, anything like that out there?`
`09:39.29`	`Lunx`	`Anyone know if nvidia nforce2 chipset onboard LAN NICs work by default in Debian?`
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`09:39.57`	`Lunx`	`Not sure if I need drivers for it. I have ifconfigged everything and checked the /etc/resolve.conf.`
`09:40.01`	`Gnea`	`dannythm: heh, right on - ok, you should be able to bootstrap to your installation using grub from the cd then - just drop to the command line and tell it the root and kernel and all that - in fact, you should be able to just root it and cat the menu.lst file to get the proper lines - once you boot backup, just grub> root (hdX,Y) grub> find /boot/grub/stage1 grub> setup (hdX), quit, reboot, done.`
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`09:40.07`	`SpamHog`	`spdf: I fully agree - I must not rule out my error during install, + if I don't look at script I can't tell if it's OK or not, and I have no idea where the call should be written`
`09:40.08`	`douglas`	`Lunx: i'd say at least three to one it's supported`
`09:40.27`	`douglas`	`over under at 3.5`
`09:40.28`	`Lunx`	`douglas: OK thanks. I must be doing something wrong xD`
`09:40.37`	`spdf`	`SpamHog, remove that "hostname" line...`
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`09:41.05`	`Knight_Lord`	`Is it possible to get autocompletion in emacs in c-mode?`
`09:41.16`	`douglas`	`oh didn't know you were already running into problems.. i'll step back and let you wait for an informed opinion`
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`09:41.53`	`SpamHog`	`spdf, no, that would block ifup even if caled manually. etho doesnt' fail dhcp transaction, it doesn't get called at all, nor is irda`
`09:42.31`	`dannythm`	`Gnea: SO boot from live CD, then acces to my original root in debian and modify the menu.lst from there, then reboot and done?`
`09:42.40`	`SpamHog`	`spdf, + I always assign hostname and my DHCP always succeeds'`
`09:42.56`	`Gnea`	`dannythm: no need to modify it - just access it so you know what values to use`
`09:43.25`	`spdf`	`SpamHog, Ahh, gotcha.`
`09:43.38`	`SpamHog`	`:-)`
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`09:44.16`	`dannythm`	`Gnea: ahh! well, then the grub>root(hdx,y) is from the console root....`
`09:44.28`	`SpamHog`	`some rc ?`
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`09:44.45`	`spdf`	`SpamHog, Seems probable. Sarge/Etc/Sid?`
`09:44.59`	`SpamHog`	`Sarge, clean, standard install`
`09:45.46`	`spdf`	`SpamHog, Very strange then..`
`09:45.54`	`scanwinder`	`what package do i need to install to get ifconfig? and iwconfig`
`09:45.59`	`Gnea`	`ok, that does it.`
`09:46.00`	`spdf`	`SpamHog, Have you been messing around? lol`
`09:46.02`	`Gnea`	`i'm going back to bed.`
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`09:46.05`	`Gnea`	`screw this.`
`09:46.06`	`Gnea`	`:)`
`09:46.12`	`scanwinder`	`i installed debian and it dosent seem to have them`
`09:46.13`	`SpamHog`	`not at all....`
`09:46.16`	`dannythm`	`Gnea: ok, i get it, thanks!`
`09:46.17`	`spdf`	`Gnea, Take 'er easy..`
`09:46.29`	`SpamHog`	`I think Imay have made an error at install time`
`09:46.31`	`incorrect`	`there doesn't appear to be a check_mem in the nagios-plugins`
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`09:46.44`	`scruffy`	`scanwinder: /sbin`
`09:46.57`	`scruffy`	`scanwinder: edit your $PATH`
`09:47.10`	`scanwinder`	`how do i edit that?`
`09:47.15`	`scanwinder`	`is it a file?`
`09:47.33`	`scruffy`	`scanwinder: your shell dot files (.bashrc or .bash_profile)`
`09:47.37`	`dannythm`	`by the way, anybody here trying to install OSx86?`
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`09:48.08`	`scanwinder`	`iwconfig isnt working when i go /sbin/iwconfig - is that just not installed?`
`09:48.14`	`SpamHog`	`S18ifupdown-clean????`
`09:48.20`	`spdf`	`scanwinder, are wireless-tools installed?`
`09:48.37`	`scruffy`	`scanwinder: if it's not already in there, add this line: export PATH=/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin`
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`09:49.19`	`scanwinder`	`scruffy: in .bashrc?`
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`09:49.40`	`scruffy`	`scanwinder: depends, are you logging in remotely?`
`09:49.54`	`scanwinder`	`no`
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`09:50.12`	`scruffy`	`scanwinder: .bash_profile should work`
`09:50.32`	`JackInTheBox`	`hello there how can i add a filename.sh in the startup?`
`09:50.50`	`scanwinder`	`scruffy: now my insert key isnt working in VI`
`09:51.05`	`robin_sz`	`ok, so sw raid. for RAID1, do both disks have ot be the exact same size?`
`09:51.05`	`liable`	`JackInTheBox: man update-rc.d`
`09:51.07`	`scruffy`	`scanwinder: use i or o`
`09:51.13`	`scruffy`	`scanwinder: try esc first`
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`09:51.45`	`robin_sz`	`im trying raid1 with 203 and 200 gb, and it keeps crapping out for no obvious reason ...`
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`09:53.23`	`robin_sz`	`or does it need chicken bones and goats blood?`
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`09:53.27`	`spdf`	`SpamHog, Do you also have /etc/rS.d/S39ifupdown?`
`09:53.34`	`scruffy`	scanwinder: don't forget to `source .bash_profile` afterwards.
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`09:53.38`	`loxley`	`robin_sz: whats the problem?`
`09:53.50`	`robin_sz`	`sw raid and the installer ....`
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`09:54.03`	`litb`	`i've a rpm. how can i install / convert it?`
`09:54.03`	`robin_sz`	`I have two SATA drives, but not quite the same size`
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`09:54.30`	`robin_sz`	`writes the ext3 partition to the raid MD, but then red screens`
`09:54.34`	`spdf`	`litb, alien will convert rpms to deb's.. but be aware that they may install to weird places..`
`09:54.40`	`liable`	`litb: alien, but you are better off compiling`
`09:55.04`	`litb`	`it's a commercial package /:]`
`09:55.21`	`liable`	`robin_sz: make the bigger disks partition the same size as the smaller.`
`09:55.31`	`karl`	`Can anyone help with the following ........... How do disconnect a vpn from the server side. I can not just kill pppd I want all the ip-down scripts to work`
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`09:55.52`	`scruffy`	`litb: worst case scenario, atools (aunpack) can unpack it.`
`09:55.53`	`robin_sz`	`liable, tried that, but it seems to jump to a different size, either above or below the chosen value`
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`09:57.21`	`marc7`	`can anyone suggest any debian-compatible streaming video servers (RTSP protocol)?`
`09:57.40`	`marc7`	`Apple's Darwin Streaming Server binaries look like they're only redhat compatible`
`09:58.22`	`robin_sz`	`liable_, ahh, ,wait, now I managed to get it the same sie .. trying again ...`
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`09:58.59`	`amahbod`	`hello, i have a networking question if anyone would like to take a stab at it`
`09:59.04`	`litb`	`atools can't be autenticated`
`09:59.07`	`amahbod`	`it isnt really directly related to debian but here it goes`
`09:59.39`	`amahbod`	`is it possible for my CNAME record for www to be an ip address like "132.232.12.2:232"`
`09:59.42`	`scruffy`	`litb: during the apt-get process you mean?`
`09:59.55`	`litb`	`yes`
`09:59.58`	`robin_sz`	`amahbod, no on two counts`
`10:00.04`	`scanwinder`	`im not getting an IP like i normally do(my router has a dhcp) - is there something to do to get it to look for one?`
`10:00.09`	`robin_sz`	`amahbod, first thats not an IP address`
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`10:00.22`	`scruffy`	`litb: not sure of the best fix, but putting this in /etc/apt/apt.conf will get it running now: APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated "true";`
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`10:00.39`	`amahbod`	`robin_sz, what if i want to point it to another site like "mee.you.com"`
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`10:01.01`	`robin_sz`	`then put CNAME mee.you.com.`
`10:01.07`	`robin_sz`	`note the trailing dot too`
`10:01.18`	`amahbod`	`ah forgot about it`
`10:01.23`	`amahbod`	`:P`
`10:01.24`	`frank_b`	`I just installed debian stable and I got the wrong keynoard map and don't have CD sound. isn't debian stable supposed to be almost bug-free?`
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`10:01.36`	`scanwinder`	`how do i get it to look for an ip?`
`10:01.44`	`scruffy`	`litb: keep in mind aunpack won't install an rpm, you'll have to manually copy the files into their correct places. It'll just unpack the rpm.`
`10:01.54`	`loxley`	`frank_b: no bug.. crappy hardware :)`
`10:01.54`	`litb`	`yes`
`10:02.04`	`robin_sz`	`frank_b, why didi you choose a different keyboard layout to the one you have? that will make tying difficult`
`10:02.15`	`litb`	`this package is bad builded`
`10:02.16`	`frank_b`	`loxley: hmm`
`10:02.29`	`scruffy`	`litb: the rpm?`
`10:02.37`	`loxley`	`frank_b: first set correct keymap`
`10:02.43`	`litb`	`it have to depend to rpm2cpio`
`10:02.47`	`litb`	`no, atools`
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`10:03.02`	`frank_b`	`robin_sz: I choose the one I have (potuguese) but I got the english one. maybe because I choose that language?`
`10:03.28`	`frank_b`	`loxley: how do I change the keymap?`
`10:03.51`	`scruffy`	`litb: well, it uses tar, gzip, bunzip2, etc, to handle multiple file formats with one command. So apt-get install rpm.`
`10:03.53`	`litb`	`and there isn't a rpm2cpio on the debian server`
`10:03.57`	`loxley`	`frank_b: XF86Config-4 or xorg.conf`
`10:04.06`	`litb`	`ah`
`10:04.21`	`frank_b`	`loxley: ok. thanks`
`10:04.42`	`frank_b`	`what about not having CD sound? any guess?`
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`10:05.02`	`robin_sz`	`sigh .. even with same size partitons on both disks the raid fails to write an ext3 partiton :(`
`10:05.11`	`loxley`	`frank_b: try alsaconf`
`10:05.30`	`liable`	`robin_sz: you have set the partition type to raid?`
`10:05.37`	`frank_b`	`loxley: ok then. thanks again.`
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`10:05.59`	`robin_sz`	`liable, yes`
`10:06.20`	`robin_sz`	`primary partition, 200gb RAID`
`10:06.31`	`robin_sz`	`created an MD device using two disks, RAID1`
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`10:06.47`	`amahbod`	`robin_sz, thanks again.`
`10:07.02`	`robin_sz`	`then tried to create swap and ext3 on the raid device`
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`10:11.21`	`Fubarovic`	`does the Netinst cd image for debian sarge have JFS support ?`
`10:12.08`	`fireba11`	`!jfs`
`10:12.08`	`dpkg`	`well, jfs is Journaled File System from IBM, licensed under the GPL. Check http://oss.software.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/jfs/ It improved a lot performance-wise since 2003! Give it an other try... Maybe worth it!`
`10:12.31`	`Guerin`	`Fubarovic: yes. The install guide tells you all the details you need to know about the installer.`
`10:12.35`	`Guerin`	`!ig`
`10:12.35`	`dpkg`	`i guess ig is the install guide for stable: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for woody (oldstable): http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual`
`10:12.37`	`Guerin`	`Fubarovic: read it.`
`10:12.42`	`amahbod`	`robin_sz, i have another follow up to my previous question about the www CNAME`
`10:13.14`	`robin_sz`	`well, just ask then`
`10:13.16`	`amahbod`	`robin_sz, the value i want to put for that cname is a no-ip address... it redirects to another IP.`
`10:13.24`	`amahbod`	`robin_sz, will that not work?`
`10:13.41`	`robin_sz`	`what do you mean "no-ip" address ... redirects?`
`10:13.53`	`loxley`	`that adress needs to have a A record`
`10:14.01`	`robin_sz`	`no it doesnt`
`10:14.09`	`robin_sz`	`a cname can point to another cname`
`10:14.14`	`loxley`	`or be another CNAMES pointing to anther cname`
`10:14.23`	`loxley`	`i cant write that fast dude`
`10:14.24`	`loxley`	`:)`
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`10:14.51`	`litb`	`grr, it needs libtiff3 - i have libtiff4`
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`10:15.12`	`amahbod`	`robin_sz, the URL is a web redirect hosted by no-ip.com`
`10:15.23`	`robin_sz`	`amahbod, please not, the IP address you showed us, was NOT and ip address ... it was a port spec`
`10:15.37`	`amahbod`	`robin_sz, no, that was just one i made up`
`10:15.40`	`scruffy`	`litb: what is the package, anyway?`
`10:15.43`	`amahbod`	`robin_sz, as an example`
`10:15.52`	`litb`	`wxDesigner`
`10:15.54`	`amahbod`	`robin_sz, a bad example :P`
`10:16.17`	`amahbod`	`robin_sz, it is a web redirect that redirects to a DNS host.`
`10:16.22`	`amahbod`	`(A)`
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`10:17.36`	`joris`	`a bit OT, but... I'm looking for wiki software that works well in a bussinesstypes+techies+artists environment`
`10:17.42`	`joris`	`any ideas welcome :/`
`10:17.45`	`robin_sz`	`amahbod, unfortunetley, I cannot understand " web redirect that redirects to a DNS host" .. you seem to be mixing DNS and http2 redirection ... they are two seperate layers, first, find out which layer your problem lies in`
`10:17.51`	`amahbod`	`robin_sz, this is all a result of me trying to find an answer to my real problem. my connection does not allow incoming port 80. how can i make the A record run on 443`
`10:18.00`	`robin_sz`	`you cant`
`10:18.04`	`amahbod`	`robin_sz, arg.`
`10:18.11`	`amahbod`	`robin_sz, any workarounds you can think of?`
`10:18.23`	`robin_sz`	`no ... not needed`
`10:18.29`	`amahbod`	`robin_sz, ?`
`10:18.41`	`robin_sz`	`the A record point to a HOST not a PORT`
`10:19.00`	`robin_sz`	`the application decides what port to connect to`
`10:19.11`	`amahbod`	`robin_sz, but i want the users to be able to type in my domain without specifying a port.`
`10:19.18`	`amahbod`	`robin_sz, domain name`
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`10:19.25`	`robin_sz`	`yes ..`
`10:19.50`	`robin_sz`	`whats wrong with port 80?`
`10:19.53`	`robin_sz`	`for web`
`10:20.05`	`amahbod`	`robin_sz, my ISP does not allow incoming port 80`
`10:20.18`	`robin_sz`	`so .. thats EASY`
`10:20.29`	`robin_sz`	`get another ISP`
`10:20.34`	`amahbod`	`robin_sz, :(`
`10:20.37`	`robin_sz`	`or ...`
`10:20.44`	`robin_sz`	`point at some free web space outside ...`
`10:20.50`	`loxley`	`move to another apartment`
`10:21.22`	`loxley`	`its worth it :)`
`10:21.31`	`amahbod`	`:(`
`10:21.33`	`robin_sz`	`and put a fram with all the space poitning to a URL like 192.168.1.123:443`
`10:21.48`	`tarzeau`	`!popcon`
`10:21.49`	`dpkg`	`Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate.`
`10:21.51`	`tarzeau`	`yay almost 8000`
`10:22.57`	`loxley`	`ohh.. didnt know of that package`
`10:23.00`	`loxley`	`nice`
`10:23.15`	`scruffy`	`tarzeau: why exactly are things such as base-passwd in there?`
`10:23.34`	`tarzeau`	`scruffy: all packages are in`
`10:23.46`	`amahbod`	`robin_sz, what if i create a port 80 redirect?`
`10:23.48`	`tarzeau`	`scruffy: even those, not made by debian`
`10:24.01`	`amahbod`	`robin_sz, and then use that as a cname.`
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`10:25.05`	`robin_sz`	`amahbod, wtf are you talkign about .. look port80 is closed, so you cannot rediredt anything to it .. and you cannot put port numbers in cnames`
`10:25.21`	`lnx32`	`Aww, I'm gonna be away for a few days so I have to use this with bluetooth phone, (yeah, I'm an internet addict)... but that means Windows XP :(:(`
`10:25.42`	`robin_sz`	`I suggest you discover the difference between a "HOST" and a "PORT"`
`10:25.58`	`lnx32`	`robin_sz : what does the guy want?`
`10:26.12`	`robin_sz`	`lnx32, clue`
`10:26.30`	`lnx32`	`heh, ok`
`10:26.31`	`spdf`	`lnx32, incoming port 80 is blocked by his isp.. He wants some way to redirect port 80 with magic...`
`10:26.33`	`amahbod`	`robin_sz, i understand the difference between a host and a port`
`10:26.33`	`loxley`	`the similairity is that they both have four characters.. no more hints!`
`10:26.44`	`lnx32`	`what????`
`10:26.44`	`amahbod`	`robin_sz, but on the no-ip.org site`
`10:26.50`	`robin_sz`	`amahbod, then you know you cannot put a port in a CNAME then`
`10:27.35`	`robin_sz`	`cname points at real web space out on server`
`10:27.44`	`robin_sz`	`browser connects to real server`
`10:27.58`	`lnx32`	`if port 80 is blocked by your ISP you need to become best mates with the managing director. I think thats a period.`
`10:28.00`	`robin_sz`	`frame content point to your appartemnt IP, port 443`
`10:28.20`	`robin_sz`	`browser connects to your appartemtn IP, on port 443, job done`
`10:28.45`	`robin_sz`	`BUT ... you still need an external site to host the frame,`
`10:28.50`	`robin_sz`	`enough ...?`
`10:28.51`	`amahbod`	`robin_sz, the thing i was confused about was the descriptions of the methods used on the site "www.no-ip.org"`
`10:28.57`	`amahbod`	`robin_sz, i totally understood everything else`
`10:29.19`	`robin_sz`	`I suggest you try them .. I have never heard or seen of the site`
`10:29.21`	`amahbod`	`robin_sz, i was just hoping that i could redirect my CNAME to the A host that no-ip.org provided me with`
`10:29.26`	`spdf`	`amahbod, http://www.no-ip.com/support/guides/web_servers/isp_block_port_80.html`
`10:29.36`	`robin_sz`	`YOU CAN`
`10:29.53`	`amahbod`	`robin_sz, if it works then, you will be my savior.`
`10:30.05`	`lnx32`	`amahbod : If you want to run a web server, how about run it on a different port - that would be a sensible solution.`
`10:30.13`	`amahbod`	`lnx32, already done.`
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`10:30.24`	`amahbod`	`lnx32, i am doing it on port 443 but my users are VERY lazy.`
`10:30.26`	`robin_sz`	`anyway ..;.`
`10:30.30`	`amahbod`	`lnx32, and i am tired of hearing them complain`
`10:30.33`	`robin_sz`	`debain installer and RAID`
`10:30.51`	`lnx32`	`ohhh I see`
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`10:31.08`	`robin_sz`	`OK, I now have two identical SATA drives and it STILL wont install ....`
`10:31.15`	`lnx32`	`Why don't you register a domain such as myserver.tk and point it to port 443?`
`10:31.33`	`robin_sz`	`lnx32, because you CANNOT POINT DOMAINS TO PORTS!!!!`
`10:31.46`	`lnx32`	`you can't? suppose I've never tried. Fair enough/`
`10:32.02`	`amahbod`	`robin_sz, you're so funny :P`
`10:32.03`	`robin_sz`	`only the borwser can choose what port to contact`
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`10:32.20`	`lnx32`	`OK... sorry about that... I'm still a bit of an interweb newb you see.`
`10:32.26`	`amahbod`	`robin_sz, i could just feel you e-bitchslapping me through the screen.`
`10:32.35`	`amahbod`	`sorry for the language.`
`10:32.42`	`amahbod`	`but i laughed pretty hard.`
`10:32.53`	`robin_sz`	`no need to apol. the language gets WAY worse`
`10:32.53`	`lnx32`	`xD`
`10:32.57`	`amahbod`	`:P`
`10:32.59`	`lnx32`	`indeed`
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`10:33.17`	`robin_sz`	`fscking RAID`
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`10:34.32`	`lnx32`	`what with freeness being all the rage nowadays, I'm surprised there isn't a site that does free domain names. That's probably quite naiive, though.`
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`10:34.53`	`lxIT`	`Hello everyone`
`10:34.57`	`lnx32`	`hello`
`10:35.15`	`amahbod`	`lnx32, i wish :P`
`10:35.26`	`amahbod`	`lnx32, the godaddy deal was pretty cheap though. 1.99$ registration.`
`10:35.34`	`lnx32`	`not bad`
`10:35.38`	`robin_sz`	`lnx32, yes, quite naiive. doamins cost money from the registry,`
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`10:35.56`	`lnx32`	`yeah thought that, but I thought maybe they could pay it with advertising`
`10:36.09`	`litb`	`jup, now my wxDesigner works`
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`10:36.15`	`lnx32`	`though on that note, advertising is about 1p per click xD`
`10:36.16`	`spdf`	`Then every conceivable address would be picked up by spammers and the like..`
`10:36.29`	`robin_sz`	`so, however you register them, the regisry has to be paid .. so maybe godaddy charge you 1.99 bu thtey still pay the registry 10 bucks or whatever,`
`10:36.31`	`scruffy_`	`litb: did you poke it in the eyes and kick it?`
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`10:36.36`	`lnx32`	`that's a very good point. Payed domains all the way! No spammers!`
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`10:36.51`	`lnx32`	`I'll be off... got to get ready for 5 hour journey to see the family. CHrist on a penny farthing.`
`10:36.59`	`amahbod`	`i'm off, thanks again for the help all`
`10:37.07`	`lnx32`	`quit`
`10:37.09`	`lnx32`	`oops`
`10:37.11`	`robin_sz`	`normaility returnd`
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`10:38.21`	`litb`	`he; no i compiled the old libtiff, copied it in wxDesigner's folder, made a shellscript wich wraps the start of wxdesigner (set the LD_LIBRARY_PATH), and finally copied all folder to it final placed. And: loala, no errors`
`10:38.22`	`litb`	`:)`
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`10:39.04`	`scruffy_`	`litb: great`
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`10:47.08`	`liable`	`!boring`
`10:47.08`	`dpkg`	`yes, you are liable`
`10:47.25`	`spdf`	`Oooooh.. Burn.`
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`10:47.57`	`liable`	`luckily i dont get offended by bots..`
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`10:49.11`	`IRCMonkey`	`hello`
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`10:50.21`	`tarzeau`	`anyone else got this problem? any ideas how to solve this better? make more subgroups? http:/www.phys.ethz.ch/~sengun/wmakermenu.png`
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`10:52.04`	`segfault-`	`hi`
`10:52.21`	`segfault-`	`i got a problem running postgresql after the apt-get install it say '/usr/lib/postgresql/7.4/bin/postmaster: TCP/IP connections must be enabled for SSL'`
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`10:53.22`	`kioto`	`hi all`
`10:53.45`	`maria`	`quien hay por ahi?`
`10:54.00`	`liable`	`!br`
`10:54.00`	`dpkg`	`Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.`
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`10:54.47`	`kioto`	`can you give any input: how-to, article abot a compilation of debian kernel`
`10:55.02`	`kioto`	`abot -> stand for about`
`10:55.14`	`segfault-`	`kioto, google this : kernel compilation+debian+make-kppg`
`10:55.17`	`segfault-`	`err`
`10:55.21`	`spdf`	`plenty on google..`
`10:55.21`	`dannythm`	`maria: este canas es solo en ingles, busca uno en castellano xD`
`10:55.22`	`segfault-`	`kioto, google this : kernel compilation+debian+make-kpkg`
`10:55.33`	`kevix`	`!es`
`10:55.33`	`dpkg`	`Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.`
`10:55.52`	`scruffy`	`!tell kioto about kernel-package`
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`10:56.44`	`frank_b`	`anyone knows of a howto to install a SpeedTouch 330 USB modem in debian?`
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`10:57.06`	`frank_b`	`(can't find a recent one in goole)`
`10:57.20`	`segfault-`	`frank_b, http://speedtouch.sourceforge.net/`
`10:57.21`	`petemc`	`frank_b: theres a thousand and one guides for speedtouch`
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`10:57.34`	`segfault-`	`i got a problem running postgresql after the apt-get install it say '/usr/lib/postgresql/7.4/bin/postmaster: TCP/IP connections must be enabled for SSL' (repost.....)`
`10:58.08`	`encompass`	`is debian the only distro with ssh-copy-id?`
`10:58.27`	`frank_b`	`segfault-: I'v been using that one for other distros, but there's not one for debian. at least, not anymore`
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`11:00.07`	`frank_b`	`segfault-: oh. I'm sorry. I confused that web page with a similar one. I'll check it out then. thanks`
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`11:00.22`	`segfault-`	`frank_b, last kernel has drivers for speedtouch too`
`11:00.32`	`segfault-`	`frank_b, let me google it ..`
`11:00.35`	`frank_b`	`segfault-: though you were talking aboutthis one http://www.linux-usb.org/SpeedTouch/`
`11:00.39`	`kioto`	`can i use a source kernel from kernel.org ?!`
`11:00.45`	`frank_b`	`segfault-: ok, thanks`
`11:01.11`	`scruffy`	`kioto: you can, yeah`
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`11:01.26`	`kioto`	`is it a good idea ?`
`11:01.43`	`segfault-`	`frank_b, found few links in french, can you use babelfish ?`
`11:01.46`	`petemc`	`kioto: you can of course, but if you ask for help with it in here, you wont get it, you'll be lambasted instead`
`11:01.55`	`frank_b`	`segfault-: now that you mention it, I can see some messages saying "speedtch" when I boot into sarge...`
`11:01.56`	`scruffy`	`kioto: only if you need to for a specific reason`
`11:02.08`	`frank_b`	`segfault-: I know a bit of french`
`11:02.19`	`segfault-`	`frank_b, yes but you don't have microcode loaded right ?`
`11:02.20`	`kioto`	`i'm beginning i don't think there is any particular thing`
`11:02.38`	`segfault-`	`frank_b, google string : speedtouch usb 330 on debian`
`11:02.50`	`scruffy`	`kioto: it would save you a lot of headaches probably if you went with the debian kernels. however..`
`11:02.57`	`frank_b`	`segfault-: I don't think so. I didn't do anything yet but to install debian`
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`11:03.13`	`frank_b`	`segfault-: ok, I'll check it then. thanks`
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`11:03.35`	`octav`	`how do i set an english keyboard on debian?`
`11:03.39`	`scruffy`	`kioto: ...this might help guide you if you want to experiment: http://pastebin.com/405106`
`11:04.30`	`scruffy`	`kioto: that should leave you with an installable .deb`
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`11:04.55`	`scruffy`	`kioto: I'd still read what dpkg told you though.`
`11:05.18`	`segfault-`	`scruffy, you missed the initrd option :p`
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`11:05.47`	`scruffy`	`segfault-: I didn't use it, but I haven't built a kernel in what seems like forever`
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`11:06.22`	`segfault-`	`kioto, give me 5 mins`
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`11:06.39`	`kioto`	`no, prob segfault-`
`11:06.44`	`segfault-`	`kioto, http://www.e-aiyama.com/~toshi/Computer/Linux/KernelCompile.html`
`11:07.02`	`segfault-`	`kioto, complete how-to`
`11:07.10`	`manas`	`82852/855GM graphics card in my ThinkPad is refusing to get accelerated :( Anyone have an idea ?`
`11:07.24`	`scruffy`	`segfault-: or /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz, or http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html`
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`11:07.51`	`segfault-`	`scruffy, redirect it to kioto :p`
`11:08.07`	`scruffy`	`segfault-: did a while ago..`
`11:08.27`	`segfault-`	`^`
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`11:09.00`	`herbi`	`Rest in Peace to Rosa Parks :)`
`11:09.14`	`kioto`	`eheh thanks to all`
`11:09.19`	`kioto`	`very nice`
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`11:10.33`	`octav`	`does anyone know how i can change my keymap in debian?`
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`11:11.03`	`Coweater`	`!keymap`
`11:11.04`	`dpkg`	`To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx`
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`11:11.47`	`segfault-`	`kioto, no probs :)`
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`11:13.11`	`lxIT`	`!codepage`
`11:13.12`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that codepage is ^ = itch \| ? = bitch \| {} = wank \| + = lol \| � = ass \| () = daddy \| >> = bitch \| << = evil \| ~ = tupay \| /`
`11:13.30`	`segfault-`	`yurk`
`11:13.33`	`lxIT`	`grr... that's not the answer`
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`11:14.26`	`lxIT`	`I want to install a codeset because I'm Belgian (special e's en stuff), but the How-To on tdlp.org didin't help me further`
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`11:14.47`	`c_k`	`Hi all`
`11:15.30`	`lxIT`	`besides of that: if I install a prog using the source packages and I want to update it later on, can I just install the newer source? or will there be two concurrent versions?`
`11:15.39`	`lxIT`	`(sorry about my english)`
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`11:18.10`	`loxley`	`lxIT: there might be atleast left over files`
`11:18.16`	`saloxin`	`lxIT: 1) dpkg-reconfigure console-data`
`11:18.18`	`c_k`	`anyone got any recomendations on what to use as my email server, need smtp , pop3 and imap, used to use Exim and courirer but was not totally happy with t`
`11:18.20`	`loxley`	`lxIT: if you dont make debs out of them`
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`11:18.40`	`xelam`	`exim is great`
`11:18.59`	`lxIT`	`loxley> I was thinking of making debs, but you need to specify the deps and stuff... Bit of a newbie, so it scared me of`
`11:19.04`	`saloxin`	`lxIT: 2) if you're lucky it'll overwrite, often something will change though. make debs as loxley says :-)`
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`11:19.06`	`scanwinder`	`im having a problem with madwifi.....when i go modprobe ath_pci it says it dosent exist, anyone come accross this?`
`11:19.21`	`saloxin`	`c_k: postfix + dovecot`
`11:19.37`	`graphite`	`i recently installed debian on my laptop and all sound output is awfull and crackly, which led me to beleive that it was my internal speakers, but after plugging in external speakers the sound is just as bad, anyone no anything about this?`
`11:19.37`	`c_k`	`yeah is that any good then`
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`11:20.20`	`encompass`	`graphite are you using kde?`
`11:20.23`	`lxIT`	`saloxin> Oki, I'll try to make one... I'll start with something "simple" as Gaim or so`
`11:20.31`	`spdf`	`scanwinder, built the module yourself?`
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`11:20.37`	`encompass`	`I had that issue with kde untill I adjust all the sound again and it fixed`
`11:20.51`	`saloxin`	`lxIT: why do you want to compile yourself? backports.org? /msg dpkg simple sid backports`
`11:20.54`	`scanwinder`	`spdf: i installed madwifi with apt-get`
`11:21.15`	`scanwinder`	`spdf: with the repositories on the madwifi website`
`11:21.18`	`graphite`	`encompass: no im being forced to use gnome at the moment, im trying to use xcfe`
`11:21.34`	`loxley`	`lxIT: uhumm gaim is in sarge`
`11:21.59`	`loxley`	`lxIT: oh. just testing`
`11:22.04`	`encompass`	`try adjusting your volumes...is it the ac97 driver?`
`11:22.05`	`spdf`	`scanwinder, I'd think you'd still have to build the module though..`
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`11:22.17`	`scanwinder`	`spdf: how do i do that?`
`11:22.24`	`lxIT`	`loxley> I've gaim via deb, but it's 1.2, so I'll try to upgrade it to 1.5 :D`
`11:22.34`	`graphite`	`encompass: no idea im really new to linux :S`
`11:22.35`	`spdf`	`scanwinder, check /usr/src, is there a .tar.gz or something in there relating to madwifi?`
`11:22.56`	`lxIT`	`saloxin> just to be capable of installing things myself :D, don't now backport.org, so I'll check it out`
`11:23.04`	`Zugschlus`	`c_k: what's the problem with exim?`
`11:23.49`	`scanwinder`	`spdf: yes`
`11:23.53`	`segfault-`	`re`
`11:23.54`	`segfault-`	`bon`
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`11:23.58`	`segfault-`	`tjrs pas :(`
`11:24.02`	`saloxin`	`lxIT: * cough * if youre a version fanatic debian might not be your favourite choice right now. btw it's "/msg dpkg simple sid backport" without the trailing s`
`11:24.08`	`segfault-`	`ups sorry wrong channel`
`11:24.08`	`lxIT`	`saloxin> this one goes into my bookmarks ;)`
`11:24.25`	`scanwinder`	`spdf: should i unpack and do configure, make, make install with it?`
`11:24.34`	`c_k`	`will have a look at postfix and dovecot now then thanks for the advise guys`
`11:24.59`	`scanwinder`	`spdf: wait, there's no configure file`
`11:25.08`	`lxIT`	`saloxin> No I'm not really a version fanatic, but I would like to have i.e. OpenOffice 2, because I use it on my Windows-machine :D`
`11:25.10`	`scanwinder`	`spdf: but it does have a makefile`
`11:25.18`	`spdf`	`scanwinder, What is in there? perhaps a README?`
`11:25.38`	`scanwinder`	`spdf: no readme`
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`11:26.06`	`spdf`	`scanwinder, http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi`
`11:27.41`	`scanwinder`	`thanks`
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`11:28.35`	`lxIT`	`one more newbie question: what's the command to see your hd's in a table?`
`11:28.59`	`c_k`	`df -h will show you what you need I assume`
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`11:29.13`	`asg`	`lxIT: fdisk -l`
`11:30.09`	`lxIT`	`asg> I could have come to it myself :s Sorry & thanks`
`11:30.19`	`lxIT`	`fdisk -l`
`11:30.23`	`asg`	`lxIT: no worries, you're welcome`
`11:30.25`	`lxIT`	`oeps, wrong keyboard`
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`11:30.52`	`lxIT`	`2 mice and 2 keyboards putted next to eachother is not so handy`
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`11:31.33`	`asg`	`lxIT: synergy is a good option for using a single keyboard and mouse for 2 systems with 2 monitors`
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`11:32.20`	`lxIT`	`asg> mmm... I'll google for that`
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`11:32.40`	`asg`	`lxIT: apt-cache show synergy`
`11:32.47`	`c_k`	`lxIT - how come I cant see my scsi disks when I run fdisk -l`
`11:33.01`	`c_k`	`aplogies I can Im just blind :-)`
`11:33.10`	`lxIT`	`c_k> hahaha :D`
`11:33.37`	`lxIT`	`asg> thanks again, I'll write it down... have my logbook next to me...`
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`11:35.16`	`Eclipser`	`asg, :o cool software`
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`11:36.03`	`asg`	`Eclipser: very handy for certain situations. Tunneling it over ssh makes it very secure also.`
`11:36.03`	`spdf`	`It beats buying a kvm`
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`11:36.24`	`rick_timmis`	`hi all`
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`11:37.33`	`rick_timmis`	`I am having a we bit of trouble with debconf, I am trying to reconfigure fetchmail and can not get it to stop throwing errors, can anyone give me a command line example ?`
`11:38.12`	`cmdKeen`	`how can I set up a internet connection using USB from-modem-straight-to-PC connection without ethernet card ??`
`11:38.27`	`Guerin`	`cmdKeen: you probably can't`
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`11:38.38`	`weissi`	`rick_timmis: could you paste the errors in #flood ??`
`11:38.39`	`Guerin`	`cmdKeen: usb modems are practically all tardware`
`11:38.55`	`rick_timmis`	`sure 2 seconds`
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`11:39.26`	`asg`	`!tell zetho about away`
`11:39.31`	`Guerin`	`zetho: turn your fucking away script off`
`11:39.44`	`zetho`	`sry`
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`11:40.06`	`zetho`	`i didn't want to do it, just don't know how to use kvirc. my fault`
`11:40.32`	`rick_timmis`	`Errors pasted, thanks`
`11:40.41`	`weissi`	rick_timmis: hmm, what does `dpkg-reconfigure -a` say??
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`11:41.03`	`cmdKeen`	`Guerin: I have modem from which I have current connection via ethernet card, but I know that modem can handle second machine through usb cable... is it really impossible ?`
`11:41.16`	`lxIT`	`woops, PC just powered down by accident`
`11:41.21`	`Guerin`	`cmdKeen: ask the modem manufacturers - they're the ones who make them so crap.`
`11:41.48`	`rick_timmis`	`su: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found`
`11:42.17`	`Guerin`	`rick_timmis: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure`
`11:42.26`	`Guerin`	`rick_timmis: if it's not there, you're not running debian`
`11:42.37`	`rick_timmis`	`Hang on`
`11:42.40`	`weissi`	`rick_timmis: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure -a ???`
`11:42.57`	`weissi`	guerin: he probably entered `su` not `su -`
`11:43.04`	`Guerin`	`weissi: right`
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`11:43.22`	`rick_timmis`	`No i am looged in as root`
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`11:43.24`	`weissi`	rick_timmis: the next time you use su: `su -`
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`11:43.42`	`weissi`	`rick_timmis: but you did su, didn't you?`
`11:43.43`	`rick_timmis`	`in flood`
`11:43.58`	`cmdKeen`	`Guerin: heh... I just don't have switch, that's not their failure;) but thanks`
`11:43.59`	`weissi`	`rick_timmis: k`
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`11:44.30`	`kandalf`	`hi`
`11:44.31`	`weissi`	`rick_timmis: cat /etc/debian_version ?`
`11:44.43`	`Dk58`	`hi`
`11:44.47`	`kandalf`	`how could I now If my MB sensors are supported or not?`
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`11:45.25`	`weissi`	`kandalt: cdb.suse.de ???`
`11:45.39`	`weissi`	`sorry, s/kandalt/kandalf/`
`11:45.40`	`rick_timmis`	`3.0`
`11:45.44`	`rick_timmis`	`I am running woody`
`11:45.51`	`sewi`	`hello, I have debian sarge installed but i need Inkscape ver. 0.42 instead of 0.41, how to do it?`
`11:46.27`	`rick_timmis`	`weissi - weird locate shows dpkg-reconfigure in /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure`
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`11:46.56`	`weissi`	`rick_timmis: dpkg -l debconf ???`
`11:47.09`	`honschu`	`How to list the different timestamps for a file? (just with ls and some special options?)`
`11:47.12`	`amphi`	`sewi: is there a backport?`
`11:47.18`	`asg`	`honschu: stat <file>`
`11:47.27`	`honschu`	`asg: thanks`
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`11:47.42`	`rick_timmis`	`Hang on something vaery strange is going on, I am ssh'd into the machine as root, I have sued using su - and yet i do not have /usr/sbin in my $PATH`
`11:47.57`	`xelam`	`"how to" does not a question make :D`
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`11:48.49`	`Phated`	`honschu: ls -l`
`11:49.02`	`honschu`	`Phated: no, stat`
`11:49.02`	`xelam`	`that only shows one timestamp`
`11:49.02`	`kandalf`	`thanks weissi, it seems that its not supported`
`11:49.13`	`Phated`	`honschu: ... what?`
`11:49.23`	`honschu`	`phated: man stat`
`11:49.25`	`xelam`	`Phated: stat shows access, modify, change`
`11:49.37`	`Phated`	`Oh, right.`
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`11:50.10`	`silvercat`	`is it possible to create a virutal v4l-device off network streams, like mms or mjpeg or a unicast stream?`
`11:50.30`	`rick_timmis`	`weissi - I have got it running, not sure what's happening, but you have helped me enough for me to be able to take it from here. Thanks`
`11:50.38`	`weissi`	rick_timmis: is `$(cat /root/.profile) \| grep PATH` empty or does not contain sbin??
`11:50.53`	`lxIT`	`asg> Synergy seems to be very very handy ;) I'll install it right away`
`11:51.04`	`weissi`	`rick_timmis: so it's ok?? g`
`11:51.05`	`asg`	`weissi: grep PATH /root.profile (much easier)`
`11:51.19`	`asg`	`lxIT: I like it`
`11:51.37`	`asg`	`s#t.p#t/.p#`
`11:51.50`	`weissi`	`asg: thanks, I know, but I don't know why I usually take pipes if I don't think it over ;-)`
`11:52.02`	`asg`	`weissi: habit`
`11:52.21`	`lxIT`	`is there a way to see wich programs are accessing the network/internet/eth0? I want to see if a program is still busy downloading or not`
`11:52.49`	`asg`	`lxIT: netstat and lsof are handy`
`11:53.01`	`lxIT`	`oki, I'll check it`
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`11:53.41`	`Tim_`	`Is there a remote security hole in kernel 2.4.27 and/or ssh from sarge?`
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`11:54.25`	`asg`	`Tim_: there shouldn't be`
`11:54.37`	`PerfDave`	`Tim_: http://security.debian.org/ should tell you`
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`11:54.53`	`weissi`	`asg: true ;-)`
`11:55.27`	`sewi`	`amphi, I didn't found any backport of Inkscape`
`11:55.33`	`Tim_`	`OK, thnks`
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`11:56.35`	`weissi`	`sewi: did you try www.apt-get.org ?`
`11:56.49`	`segfault-`	`Ahem`
`11:57.06`	`sewi`	`weissi, not yet, i'll try it`
`11:57.08`	`segfault-`	`cough /usr/local love to be populated by applications too`
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`11:57.59`	`Quinn_Storm`	`hey, I know this may not be the right place to ask, but on the off chance, does anyone know if dnsmasq's dhcp server can be set to only listen on one interface? I don't want it to serve dhcp requests in the wrong direction`
`11:58.56`	`mopatop`	`hey guys, is it possible to specify which group I create files with by default?`
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`11:59.43`	`asg`	`mopatop: it is the group you are in at the time you create the file (change to another one with newgrp) or use setgid perms on directories so new file inheret the directory group owner`
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`12:00.16`	`silvercat`	`anyone got a solution for streaming multiple desktop images/videos and mixing them together?`
`12:00.23`	`SAAfirosz`	`someone knows how to put knoppix or damnshell in USB?`
`12:00.35`	`PerfDave`	`SAAfirosz: Ask #knoppix?`
`12:00.48`	`weissi`	`Quinn_Storm: interface=eth0 in its config (/etc/dnsmasq.conf)`
`12:00.54`	`mopatop`	`asg: setgid - is that different to chgrp on a directory? if I chgrp a directory to a new group, new files created within are still me:me`
`12:01.19`	`asg`	`mopatop: but after changing the group on the dir, using chmod 2770 on the dir will provide the desired behavior`
`12:01.24`	`Quinn_Storm`	`weissi: ok, I've thought about that, though that changes all of dnsmasq not just dhcp`
`12:01.32`	`segfault-`	`SAAfirosz, search google for 'booting linux from usb'`
`12:01.45`	`mopatop`	`asg: what's 2770 in u+rw terms? just so I can understand it`
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`12:02.05`	`Quinn_Storm`	`for now I'll just use except-interface=wlan0`
`12:02.15`	`weissi`	`Quinn_Storm: then, I don't know ;-). Perhaps consider to use seperate dns and dhcp progs`
`12:02.23`	`asg`	`mopatop: g+srw,u+rw or somesuch. I've never used mnemonics`
`12:02.27`	`Quinn_Storm`	`weissi: it's probably no big deal`
`12:02.27`	`mopatop`	`asg: n/m, just got it`
`12:02.31`	`mopatop`	`asg: yeah cheers`
`12:02.43`	`Quinn_Storm`	`oh`
`12:02.46`	`Quinn_Storm`	`its right there staring me in the face`
`12:02.50`	`Quinn_Storm`	`no-dhcp-interface=`
`12:03.11`	`Quinn_Storm`	`talk about a d'oh moment`
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`12:05.23`	`CdeMills`	`Hello`
`12:05.29`	`rick_timmis`	`Is it default on debian for an ssh login not to have /usr/sbin /sbin in the environment PATH ?`
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`12:05.39`	`CdeMills`	`I got a fresh kernel-source, and the specific debian patches under /usr/src/linux/debian. If I do "PATCH_THE_KERNEL=YES make-kpkg --revision 29 kernel_image"; there are no patches applied, and the .diff files are removed.`
`12:05.49`	`weissi`	`rick_timmis: if you're not root: yes`
`12:06.11`	`weissi`	rick_timmis: if you login as root or `su -`: no
`12:06.16`	`NOthsouth`	`hello, All my memory is FULL .. what this mean ? my server actually have 1.5G, but it's show all full, and using swap .. how can that happend?`
`12:06.34`	`CdeMills`	`How do I apply all the .diff from debian ? How, otherwise stated, how do I get manually the linux-source-something ready for make-kpkg ?`
`12:06.40`	`rick_timmis`	`ok but if i do so ssh ip.address.locality -l root then surely I should have the full path`
`12:07.02`	`rick_timmis`	`if however i did an su - would this result in the PATH changing ?`
`12:07.20`	`widrone`	`NOthsouth: Any runaway process that eats it up maybe? And how mush is cached?`
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`12:08.13`	`halibut`	`how can I extract the sound from an avi file to mp3?`
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`12:08.30`	`dubbaluga`	`CdeMills: don't have patches to be placed into /usr/src/kernel-patches in debian?`
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`12:08.51`	`lnx32`	`halibut: Theres a really useful tool I know of that can help you do that. It's called Google :)`
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`12:09.38`	`rick_timmis`	`Sneaky bast'ds i didn't realise that. I had ssh'd in and also used su - which removed those sbin and /usr/sbin directories from my path`
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`12:09.42`	`rick_timmis`	`DOH! DOH!`
`12:09.56`	`sewi`	`do you know in which package thera re true type symbol fonts?`
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`12:10.08`	`_weissi`	`rick_timmis: sorry I've been disconnected, do not know why... Still have questions?`
`12:10.33`	`halibut`	`lnx32, and you don't think I have already tried google :/`
`12:10.48`	`NOthsouth`	`widrone, I don't really know about cached memory .. how does it work?`
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`12:11.10`	`mopatop`	`another quick question: if i have scsi card in my machine but I'm not sure if the attached device has the modules loaded for it, will cat /proc/scsi/scsi show the attached device?`
`12:11.22`	`dubbaluga`	`halibut: try mplayer with its ao, ac, vo and vc switches!`
`12:11.35`	`halibut`	`thanks dubbaluga`
`12:11.53`	`rick_timmis`	`weissi I got to tell you I am getting well confused here..`
`12:12.02`	`asg`	`mopatop: also, dmesg should show if the kernel recognized it`
`12:12.24`	`_weissi`	`rick_timmis: same problem? I probably missed some msgs...`
`12:13.01`	`mopatop`	`asg: there's no mention in either place of the attached device, so that would indicate a problem with the scsi card, its drivers or the device itself - right?`
`12:13.18`	`rick_timmis`	`I sshd in and then did an su - which I thought was why I couldn't see sbin dirs in the environment path`
`12:13.20`	`asg`	`mopatop: what type of device is it?`
`12:13.30`	`mopatop`	`asg: it's an HP SureStore 8i tape drive`
`12:13.59`	`rick_timmis`	`however I have lodded off the machine and back in again, so am no longer sued and still can;t see sbin dirs in my environment path`
`12:14.02`	`asg`	`mopatop: try modprobe st`
`12:14.14`	`mopatop`	`asg: and the scsi card uses the advansys driver, but although the scsi card is listed in lspci and show up in dmesg, modprobe advansys generates errors`
`12:14.40`	`mopatop`	`asg: I've tried that but I can't find the tape drive in /dev/ anywhere`
`12:14.52`	`asg`	`hmmm`
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`12:15.19`	`mopatop`	`asg: scsi cards should bring up options after POST and before the OS loads, which I'm not seeing, so I think I have a problem with the scsi card or the bios`
`12:15.29`	`_weissi`	`rick_timmis: sorry, I didn't understand you? what does "lodded off" mean ?`
`12:15.46`	`asg`	`mopatop: could be, worth looking into`
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`12:15.54`	`mopatop`	`asg: cheers`
`12:15.58`	`rick_timmis`	`sorrt weiss my typo's I meant logged out and then ssh'd back in again`
`12:16.02`	`rick_timmis`	`sorry`
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`12:16.25`	`_weissi`	`rick_timmis: ahh ok, and then you were not more root?`
`12:16.49`	`rick_timmis`	`well then I log in using ssh -l root <ip-address>`
`12:17.34`	`rick_timmis`	`Here's the question - does the sshd daemon set a different PATH then the standard found in /root/.profile ?`
`12:18.00`	`_weissi`	`rick_timmis: thats fine if root-login is enabled, then you should have sbin dirs in your PATH, if you don't you either do not have them in your /root/.profile or overwrote them in .bashrc or .bash_profile or so...`
`12:18.01`	`asg`	`rick_timmis: ssh will only run ~/.bashrc since it's not a login shell`
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`12:20.41`	`_weissi`	`asg: my ~/.profile gets read`
`12:20.56`	`asg`	`_weissi: when you su or when you login via ssh?`
`12:21.09`	`_weissi`	`asg: (and is not "included" by any other file)`
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`12:21.21`	`_weissi`	asg: both ssh root-login and `su -`
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`12:21.48`	`asg`	`_weissi: ah okay, I never ssh directly as root.`
`12:22.00`	`_weissi`	`asg: I put an "echo PROFILE" in ~/.profile and it appears on ssh root login and su -`
`12:22.37`	`rick_timmis`	`_weissi thats a good idea`
`12:22.44`	`_weissi`	`asg: and shopt \| grep login_shell is "on"`
`12:22.58`	`_weissi`	`asg: (on ssh root login)`
`12:23.06`	`asg`	`oh, okay`
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`12:23.34`	`_weissi`	asg: and "on" on `su -` but "off" on `su`
`12:23.40`	`widrone`	`NOthsouth: I think the consept of it is that if its loaded once you keep the data in ram in case you need it later. That way you dont need to go to disk to get at it.`
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`12:23.57`	`asg`	`_weissi: is that rick's case also?`
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`12:25.14`	`_weissi`	rick_timmis: good point, could you try the following things: login to ssh as root and try `shopt \| grep login`, then try `su -` with the same command and at least `su` and the command
`12:25.43`	`rick_timmis`	`ok 2 secs`
`12:25.50`	`rick_timmis`	`paste in flood`
`12:25.58`	`_weissi`	`rick_timmis: k`
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`12:26.53`	`_weissi`	`rick_timmis: shopt \| grep login is enough ;-)`
`12:27.05`	`NOthsouth`	`widrone, ok but that is not sooo smart, cuz if I want open programs again it will open faster, but if I want open another programs it will open slowly ?? ..`
`12:27.15`	`lxIT`	`asg> Synergy is f*ckin' great :D`
`12:27.21`	`rick_timmis`	`so they are`
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`12:27.33`	`asg`	`lxIT: cool`
`12:27.34`	`rick_timmis`	`ssh = yes, su = no and su - = yes`
`12:27.37`	`lxIT`	`Just installed it, made config, start server, connect client and done :D`
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`12:27.59`	`lxIT`	`thanks for the tip`
`12:28.17`	`rick_timmis`	`however when I just ssh'd in as root and done echo $PATH sbin directories were missing, I had to do a manual export to get them in place`
`12:28.23`	`_weissi`	rick_timmis: thats good and does `echo PROFILE` appear when you put it in ~/.profile on ssh and su - ?
`12:28.26`	`rick_timmis`	`this is using debian 3.0 woody`
`12:28.29`	`kioto`	`byez`
`12:29.02`	`_weissi`	`rick_timmis: maybe you overwrite $PATH in .bashrc or .bash_profile ?`
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`12:29.49`	`_weissi`	`rick_timmis: but it's at least strange ;-). I use sarge and sid`
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`12:30.19`	`_weissi`	`rick_timmis: and have used potato and woody and they always behaved as I wanted them to ;-)`
`12:30.53`	`lxIT`	`asg> one more thing I can't find in the docs > how to stop the client/server?`
`12:31.04`	`lxIT`	`ctrl+c doesn't work`
`12:31.05`	`asg`	`lxIT: just kill the process`
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`12:31.22`	`lxIT`	`oke, ctrl+c works for the server, not the client`
`12:31.29`	`widrone`	`NOthsouth: If it needs the space it just 'uses' memory from 'the cache' and loads whatever it needs from disk into the ram, so its really free. I think this is how it works in theory.`
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`12:31.32`	`pec`	`#ghoststudent`
`12:31.34`	`rick_timmis`	`Well its one for me to investigate further at some point, for now I will just have to carry on with a work around`
`12:31.47`	`asg`	`lxIT: the client goes into the background. Find its pid and 'kill <pid>'`
`12:31.51`	`rick_timmis`	`.bashrc and bash_profile are both fine by the way`
`12:31.52`	`asg`	`lxIT: i.e. pidof synergyc`
`12:32.04`	`lxIT`	`asg> mine didn't`
`12:32.15`	`lxIT`	`you have to use the --daemon option I think`
`12:32.18`	`rick_timmis`	`Hey thanks again weiss, I think I really learned a few things from you today ;-)`
`12:32.21`	`asg`	`hmmm, odd`
`12:32.28`	`_weissi`	`rick_timmis: hmm, very strange..., I think too, a workaround should be ok`
`12:32.46`	`_weissi`	`rick_timmis: that's fine :-)`
`12:33.07`	`asg`	`lxIT: synergyc -d FATAL (that prevents it hanging in the foreground, which is how I do it)`
`12:34.36`	`lxIT`	`asg> synergyc --damon <host> does the trick also :D`
`12:34.43`	`asg`	`lxIT: of course`
`12:34.46`	`lxIT`	`without debug ofcourse :D`
`12:35.07`	`lxIT`	`just to be curieus > which irc-client do you use?`
`12:35.13`	`asg`	`irssi-text`
`12:35.54`	`rick_timmis`	`I sshd in and then did an su - which I thought was why I couldn't see sbin dirs in the environment path`
`12:36.02`	`rick_timmis`	`sorry igonre that`
`12:36.31`	`lxIT`	`asg> mmm... don't know it... Using X-Chat for the moment, but don't like it...`
`12:36.55`	`asg`	`lxIT: irssi is a text based client that is very extensible using Perl`
`12:36.58`	`lxIT`	`I remember I used to chat on ITC with BitchX when I was studying, but it seems that I don't like it anymore :D`
`12:37.11`	`lxIT`	`ITC = IRC ofcourse`
`12:38.18`	`lxIT`	`asg> I think i'll try it also`
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`12:40.31`	`lxIT`	`asg> apt-cache says: "text-mode version of irssi" > is there a graphical version also? (just say it when I bother you with stupid questions)`
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`12:41.39`	`dkowis`	`I've a question: How difficult is it to roll your own kernel within debian?`
`12:41.42`	`nvz`	`lxIT: yeah irssi-text`
`12:41.47`	`spdf`	`dkowis, not very`
`12:41.53`	`amphi`	`dkowis: not difficult - use make-kpkg`
`12:42.07`	`spdf`	`dkowis, There are plenty of guides on google`
`12:42.09`	`dkowis`	`amphi: I'd just run make-kpkg ?`
`12:42.16`	`dkowis`	`spdf: okay, I'll google it then :)`
`12:42.24`	`nvz`	`lxIT: irc is a text only protocol. if you want graphical run it in an x-terminal-emulator`
`12:42.57`	`amphi`	`dkowis: almost ;)`
`12:42.59`	`dkowis`	`so it'd be apt-get install kernel-package right?`
`12:43.22`	`amphi`	`dkowis: it builds your kernel and modules and creates a deb for you to install with dpkg`
`12:43.22`	`lxIT`	`nvz> Oki, I got it... (knew that IRC is textonly, but you have so much graph interfaces that I thought there might be a "gui" for irssi)`
`12:43.30`	`amphi`	`dkowis: yes`
`12:43.44`	`dkowis`	`amphi: okay, hopefully I wont hoz0r my b0xx0rz ;)`
`12:44.05`	`spdf`	`dkowis, Be sure to leave atleast one fall back option in your LILO/Grub config :)`
`12:44.10`	`robin_sz`	`oh, fiddle. so HTF do I write a .iso net install image to CD then?`
`12:44.12`	`dkowis`	`spdf: yep :)`
`12:44.59`	`spdf`	`robin_sz, in linux?`
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`12:46.09`	`mutilator`	`what'de be capping a linux box? i've tried 2 nic's in the box and i'm only getting 3-5mbit download but upload is just fine`
`12:47.15`	`robin_sz`	`spdf, yeah .. debian sarge`
`12:47.23`	`spdf`	`robin_sz, cdrecord will do it for you`
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`12:49.06`	`robin_sz`	`spdf, tried that .. got a CD with a .iso image on it as a file, rather than a CD of the iso if you see what I mean`
`12:49.17`	`dkowis`	`another quick one: how do I change the location that apt gets it's packages from, I've apparently picked a horribly slow server...`
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`12:49.41`	`mutilator`	`on a lan*`
`12:50.11`	`scruffy`	`dkowis: man sources.list`
`12:50.20`	`robin_sz`	`sigh ... this is SO much easier on windows ...`
`12:50.23`	`dkowis`	`scruffy: thanks :)`
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`12:50.59`	`omry_`	`many programs I use are missing icons (inkscape, gpdf), I get a 'missing' icon for some actions. which package contains common icons used by programs?`
`12:51.12`	`scruffy`	`dkowis: you might like apt-spy, also`
`12:51.23`	`encompass`	`how do you end a script in the middle of the script? end?`
`12:51.47`	`asg`	`encompass: exit`
`12:52.00`	`encompass`	`but won't that just log me out?`
`12:52.12`	`spdf`	`robin_sz, 'cdrecord -v dev=1,0,0 -dao Image.iso' works in my case... what switches/etc did you use?`
`12:52.25`	`asg`	`encompass: it will exit the script, not log you out`
`12:52.32`	`dkowis`	`scruffy: okay, thanks some more :)`
`12:52.34`	`encompass`	`ok cool`
`12:52.36`	`encompass`	`thanks`
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`12:53.01`	`dkowis`	`scruffy: well, I don't seem to have that app... it must come from a package I don't have installed, same for apt-file...`
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`12:53.09`	`sparcn00b`	`hello`
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`12:53.17`	`Eclipser`	`where was this thing about something that debian would release new stables faster or something?`
`12:53.19`	`scruffy`	`dkowis: apt-cache search ^apt`
`12:53.36`	`sparcn00b`	`i was wondering ig anybody could help me with a sparc issue`
`12:53.49`	`dkowis`	`scruffy: so that's how you search through the available packages without using aptitude`
`12:53.53`	`dkowis`	`:)`
`12:54.05`	`robin_sz`	`so any more clues as to how to write a netinst .iso with cdrecord?`
`12:54.14`	`spoopin`	`asg: you got a second?`
`12:54.22`	`sparcn00b`	`it always worked for me robin_sz`
`12:54.23`	`asg`	`spoopin: sure, what's up?`
`12:54.25`	`scruffy`	`dkowis: should work, yep. apt-get update first.`
`12:54.38`	`sparcn00b`	`but you could use growisofs if cdrecord wont work robin_sz`
`12:54.46`	`dkowis`	`scruffy: that get's the latest list of available packages yes?`
`12:55.05`	`spdf`	`robin_sz, cdrecord dev=<YOUR DEVICE> image.iso`
`12:55.13`	`robin_sz`	`sparcn00b, it might work .,. If I could discover the arcane set of flags to give it ...`
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`12:55.18`	`sparcn00b`	`haha`
`12:55.22`	`scruffy`	`dkowis: right, for the servers you have listed in /etc/apt/sources.list. I'd grab apt-spy first, then use apt-spy to find better servers.`
`12:55.31`	`sparcn00b`	`i copied the command line from k3b once, works for me :P`
`12:55.44`	`dkowis`	`scruffy: yeah, I'm trying to do the apt-spy thing now..`
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`12:55.50`	`sparcn00b`	`but can anybody help me with sparc`
`12:55.56`	`sparcn00b`	`i have sarge netinstall for sparc`
`12:56.04`	`sparcn00b`	`but the installer cant find the CD`
`12:56.14`	`sparcn00b`	`also, the keymap is all weird`
`12:56.36`	`sparcn00b`	`I guess its normal for sun keyboards, non standard layout and all`
`12:56.47`	`StevenR`	`sparcn00b: i've installed debian on a sun ultra 5...how far thorugh the install have you got?`
`12:56.53`	`sparcn00b`	`it boots silo`
`12:56.57`	`sparcn00b`	`then it boots the installer`
`12:57.04`	`sparcn00b`	`it loads drivers for ide controlers`
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`12:57.10`	`sparcn00b`	`then it tries to mount the CD`
`12:57.13`	`sparcn00b`	`but it cant find it`
`12:57.26`	`StevenR`	`sparcn00b: error message? what sort of system is this?`
`12:57.31`	`sparcn00b`	`which is weird enough`
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`12:57.35`	`robin_sz`	`spdf, maybe I added too many weird flags last time ....`
`12:57.36`	`nullvoid`	`hi all`
`12:57.42`	`sparcn00b`	`because the installer runs from that very CD`
`12:57.46`	`afr`	`help`
`12:57.48`	`nullvoid`	`how do I view berkeley db data?`
`12:57.48`	`sparcn00b`	`its a blade 100`
`12:57.56`	`sparcn00b`	`let me see`
`12:58.02`	`sparcn00b`	`booting now`
`12:58.09`	`spdf`	`robin_sz, perhaps..`
`12:58.09`	`xelam`	`well`
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`12:58.14`	`sparcn00b`	`also`
`12:58.24`	`sparcn00b`	`i would like to use kernel 2.6`
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`12:58.34`	`xelam`	`same problem as you had - I ended up installing gentoo :\`
`12:58.37`	`sparcn00b`	`but linux26 does not work when trying to boot it`
`12:58.41`	`widrone`	`!tell afr about help`
`12:58.43`	`sparcn00b`	`really>`
`12:58.47`	`sparcn00b`	`hm`
`12:58.48`	`sparcn00b`	`gentoo`
`12:58.51`	`sparcn00b`	`no thanks`
`12:59.00`	`sparcn00b`	`i hate waiting for compilers`
`12:59.01`	`spdf`	`sparcn00b, When you try linux26, what does it fail on?`
`12:59.01`	`xelam`	`indeed`
`12:59.09`	`xelam`	`it has solaris 10 on there now :)`
`12:59.10`	`sparcn00b`	`it cant find the image lol`
`12:59.11`	`afr`	`thx widrone, i just missed / at begin`
`12:59.17`	`dkowis`	`there we go, got the apt-spy goin`
`12:59.17`	`r3gii`	`hi`
`12:59.18`	`dkowis`	`yay`
`12:59.23`	`sparcn00b`	`xelam, i have solaris 10 too`
`12:59.28`	`sparcn00b`	`but i dont like it`
`12:59.31`	`StevenR`	`sparcn00b: how are you telling it to boot from th cd?`
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`13:00.18`	`sparcn00b`	`boot crom`
`13:00.26`	`StevenR`	`ok`
`13:00.27`	`sparcn00b`	`cdrom*`
`13:00.30`	`robin_sz`	`spdf, thanks .. without flags it worked fine .. I was trying too hard >)`
`13:00.38`	`sparcn00b`	`i updated openboot and everything`
`13:01.07`	`sparcn00b`	`the sarge disc for sparc apparently does not have a linux26 image`
`13:01.09`	`StevenR`	`sparcn00b: then it reads cdrom, kicks silo and then deb kernel is loaded and it switches to framebuffer?`
`13:01.14`	`sparcn00b`	`yup`
`13:01.16`	`sparcn00b`	`that all works`
`13:01.28`	`sparcn00b`	`the installer loads too`
`13:01.32`	`sparcn00b`	`however`
`13:01.37`	`sparcn00b`	`it cant mount the CD`
`13:01.43`	`StevenR`	`does it need to?`
`13:01.49`	`sparcn00b`	`i dunno`
`13:01.56`	`sparcn00b`	`its a netinstall CD`
`13:01.57`	`spdf`	`It does to base packages..`
`13:02.01`	`sparcn00b`	`yeah`
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`13:02.04`	`sparcn00b`	`base system`
`13:02.14`	`spdf`	`sparcn00b, sounds like you need to add a kernel switch to specify what device the cdrom is..`
`13:02.19`	`StevenR`	`oh ok..i used sparc cd1 instead of netinstall`
`13:02.23`	`sparcn00b`	`and im too lazy to do teh bootp tftp ceap`
`13:02.24`	`sparcn00b`	`crap`
`13:02.37`	`sparcn00b`	`spdf, hmm`
`13:02.39`	`r3gii`	`my system is freezing, when im not even start x window`
`13:02.43`	`robin_sz`	`ok .. new fresh debain installer ... one last go to configure with RAID1 before giving up and trying Dedrat`
`13:02.45`	`sparcn00b`	`how do i do that`
`13:02.51`	`sparcn00b`	`can silo scan ide devices?`
`13:03.18`	`robin_sz`	`isnt there a channel that answers questions on the installer?`
`13:03.30`	`syntaxx`	`which is better idesk or fbdesk?`
`13:04.14`	`sparcn00b`	`hmm`
`13:04.50`	`spoopin`	`sparcn00b: you're probably better off just doing the tftp install. I know that one works.`
`13:04.56`	`sparcn00b`	`hmm`
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`13:05.04`	`sparcn00b`	`i need a windowze tool for that`
`13:05.08`	`r3gii`	`freezing debian: what should i check repear?`
`13:05.17`	`spoopin`	`sparcn00b: why?`
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`13:05.57`	`spdf`	`sparcn00b, Should have asked before, but is it scsi?`
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`13:06.45`	`mace_`	`stupid wireless`
`13:06.47`	`robin_sz`	`bah, no still red-screeen-of-death`
`13:06.50`	`mace_`	`did i miss anything`
`13:07.18`	`spoopin`	`sparcn00b: no`
`13:07.23`	`sparcn00b`	`ok`
`13:07.46`	`spoopin`	`sparcn00b: why do you need a Windows tool for tftp booting?`
`13:08.00`	`encompass`	`sorry guys, I forget what is equals in bash script if $1 = ''?`
`13:08.06`	`sparcn00b`	`because i do not have any other unix/linux machine here`
`13:08.09`	`eye69`	`encompass: ==`
`13:08.23`	`encompass`	`dangit basic c++`
`13:08.25`	`encompass`	`sorry`
`13:08.53`	`encompass`	`I am still getting an error`
`13:09.11`	`sparcn00b`	`hmm i got a bootp tftp server in one package for windows`
`13:09.11`	`encompass`	`it says == command does not exist`
`13:09.20`	`r3gii`	`can anybody help me?`
`13:09.21`	`asg`	`encompass: [ -z $1 ] && foo`
`13:09.39`	`encompass`	`huh?`
`13:09.42`	`r3gii`	`my system is freezing, when im not working`
`13:09.52`	`spoopin`	`sparcn00b: Knoppix probably has a bootp and tftp server as well`
`13:09.57`	`sparcn00b`	`hmm`
`13:10.02`	`sparcn00b`	`yeah thats an idea`
`13:10.04`	`amphi`	`encompass: man [`
`13:10.10`	`encompass`	`ok`
`13:10.13`	`dkowis`	`is it safe to build a vanilla kernel for debian?`
`13:10.21`	`spoopin`	`sparcn00b: as well as countless other live CD options..`
`13:10.22`	`dkowis`	`there's no debian specific stuff I need to keep in there is ther?`
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`13:10.41`	`amphi`	`dkowis: I run kernel.org kernels without proble,`
`13:10.43`	`scruffy`	`!tell dkowis about kernel-package`
`13:10.47`	`amphi`	`er, problem`
`13:10.48`	`encompass`	`thanks, exactly what I was looking for`
`13:11.28`	`dkowis`	`yep looking at such a document (FAQ) I was just making sure :)`
`13:12.21`	`abli`	`Hi! I recently upgraded to sid, and now it seems that at every boot eth0 and eth1 are switched. I have two nics, my adsl line is plugged into one of them, and I can't connect after boot. Running pppoeconf after boot usually finds the connection on the other interface than last time. How could I debug this?`
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`13:14.05`	`abli`	`hmm. anyone there?`
`13:14.08`	`scruffy`	`abli: google tells me this: http://www.science.uva.nl/research/air/wiki/LogicalInterfaceNames`
`13:14.35`	`encompass`	`see ya guys, you have been great`
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`13:14.49`	`encompass`	`!beer everybody`
`13:15.00`	`encompass`	`exit`
`13:15.00`	`sussudio`	`!tell abli about sid upgrade`
`13:15.06`	`sussudio`	`!annoy penix`
`13:15.06`	`dpkg`	`quit`
`13:15.42`	`nvz`	`wtf is the point of that`
`13:15.47`	`nvz`	`penix isnt even here`
`13:16.12`	`abli`	`scruffy: thanks, I'll check that out.`
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`13:17.18`	`spdf`	`sparcn00b, some googling found this > http://www.digitalhobo.com/index.php?cat=6 seems you might need to make a custom sarge iso to work with your ide controller..`
`13:17.37`	`sparcn00b`	`hmm thanks`
`13:17.54`	`spdf`	`sparcn00b, couple entries down..`
`13:17.59`	`sparcn00b`	`i see`
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`13:18.30`	`sparcn00b`	`nice`
`13:18.34`	`sparcn00b`	`a working image`
`13:18.39`	`spdf`	`sparcn00b, bonus :)`
`13:18.39`	`sparcn00b`	`(i hope)`
`13:18.42`	`sparcn00b`	`thanks!`
`13:19.00`	`henk`	`i jsut installed debian testing and i'm having trouble with perl. i'm getting errors that for instance strict.pm are not found, it is on my system but it seems perl is not looking in /usr/share/perl/5.8.7/ . i reinstalled perl and perl-base but that did not solve it.`
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`13:20.30`	`SimonRaven`	`try reinstalling perl-modules - shouldn't be doing that anyway, that's a strange error`
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`13:21.42`	`henk`	`running the script again to see if the error still remains`
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`13:25.41`	`henk`	`Can't locate strict.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.7 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.7 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/perl/5.8/AutoLoader.pm line 3.`
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`13:26.26`	`henk`	`the file is in /usr/share/perl/5.8.7/`
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`13:28.11`	`illidian`	`how do u run programs that need active x in linux?`
`13:28.42`	`amphi`	`illidian: under windows in an emulator, I guess`
`13:28.47`	`PerfDave`	`illidian: It might be possible using Cedega or something for emulation, but generally you don't.`
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`13:29.33`	`nullvoid`	`anyone know how can I view a berkeley.db form console?`
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`13:31.34`	`SimonRaven`	`henk: Works Here, and present. you sure it's there?`
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`13:33.01`	`widrone`	`SimonRaven: Maybe he needs to --purge aswell? Dont really know the perl .deb`
`13:33.07`	`SimonRaven`	`nullvoid: pager, if you don't mind the control characters, or db*_dump`
`13:33.17`	`SimonRaven`	`you don't go purging perl`
`13:33.39`	`guru`	`good morning everyone`
`13:33.55`	`SimonRaven`	`nullvoid: the db* command version (says the version in the name, in debian) has to match the version you're looking at`
`13:34.11`	`SimonRaven`	`hi`
`13:34.28`	`rel679`	`is anyone familiar with bigsister ?`
`13:34.46`	`jhaig`	`I have Sarge installed on one partition of a disk and I want to make an copy of it onto another partition (so that I can upgrade it to testing, if you want to know). Is it possible/sensible to do this while it is booted into Sarge? Also, can I just edit the grub config file on /boot (a separate partition) to boot the new partition?`
`13:34.48`	`SimonRaven`	`widrone: apt-cache show perl, and look at the Priority:`
`13:34.50`	`widrone`	`SimonRaven: Thanks, Ill store that in the mind fr future reference. =)`
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`13:35.23`	`SimonRaven`	`widrone: dpkg depends on it, so does apt, so if you don't mind fucking up those, go right ahead`
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`13:36.56`	`henk`	`SimonRaven i don't know why i'm getting this error. the erros says that it cannot find strict.pm in the dirs but it's there. i'm thinking it is the scripts error not perls or mine, ignoring it for the time being thank you so far`
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`13:38.20`	`SimonRaven`	`henk: fyi, that's going break any scripts that set use strict;`
`13:39.04`	`sparcn00b`	`well`
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`13:39.09`	`mtnman`	`jhaig: i suggest you read the hard-disk upgrade howto. it will give you info on cloning your disk/partitions.`
`13:39.12`	`sparcn00b`	`i cant get bootp to work`
`13:39.23`	`sparcn00b`	`the sun is broadcasting like hell`
`13:39.32`	`sparcn00b`	`but my bootp server wont respond`
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`13:39.39`	`sparcn00b`	`or cant see the IP requests`
`13:39.46`	`sparcn00b`	`so im gonna go for the CD`
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`13:40.06`	`Melqart`	`i need help with installation`
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`13:40.09`	`jhaig`	`mtnman: Thanks. I'll look that up.`
`13:40.14`	`sparcn00b`	`I installed freebsd, but i cant get the framebuffer to work on that`
`13:40.14`	`spdf`	`Melqart, okay.`
`13:40.15`	`mtnman`	`jhaig: tldp.org`
`13:40.23`	`sparcn00b`	`whats up Melqart`
`13:40.23`	`Melqart`	`how can i install a graphic enviroment and x`
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`13:40.35`	`Melqart`	`i've just installed debian`
`13:40.37`	`mtnman`	`jhaig: and, you're welcome`
`13:40.40`	`sparcn00b`	`use tasksel`
`13:40.46`	`Melqart`	`but how?`
`13:40.51`	`sparcn00b`	`and tick "desktop enviroment"`
`13:40.52`	`nullvoid`	`SimonRaven: I am using db4.3_dump; let say my db is hosts.db, so how can export to a textfile called hosts.txt ?`
`13:40.54`	`SammyTheSnake`	`QUERY: I'm having "fun" getting a usb dongle wlan device working with debian testing. I installed the wlan-ng modules package for my kernel, but depmod complains about circular dependencies on the module hotplug wants to install. Any ideas?`
`13:40.56`	`spdf`	`Melqart, run tasksel from the command line (as root)`
`13:40.59`	`Melqart`	`tasksel is a comand?`
`13:41.01`	`sparcn00b`	`yes`
`13:41.03`	`Melqart`	`ok`
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`13:41.10`	`sparcn00b`	`its a frontend for apt`
`13:41.12`	`carecca`	`what package do i need to install to get dh_testdir ?`
`13:41.16`	`Melqart`	`i login as root and type tasksel`
`13:41.17`	`sparcn00b`	`you could use aptitude of you like`
`13:41.22`	`mtnman`	`melqart: if you don't have tasksel, then apt-get install tasksel`
`13:41.23`	`sparcn00b`	`but tasksel is easier`
`13:41.40`	`spdf`	`carecca, debhelper`
`13:41.46`	`Melqart`	`if i dont have, i will type apt-get install tasksel`
`13:41.49`	`amphi`	`carecca: debhelper: /usr/bin/dh_testdir`
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`13:42.00`	`carecca`	`-bash: debhelper: command not found`
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`13:42.10`	`Melqart`	`thank you very much, i�m gonna try right now, see you soon`
`13:42.18`	`SimonRaven`	`nullvoid: sec, i haven't used that in a while`
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`13:42.30`	`carecca`	`amphi: i dont got a dh_testdir in /usr/bin`
`13:42.51`	`amphi`	`carecca: the package that provides it is debhelper`
`13:42.56`	`carecca`	`oh :P`
`13:42.57`	`nullvoid`	`SimonRaven: ok, I'll wait`
`13:43.03`	`widrone`	`SimonRaven: Ah thru reverse depends of course. I did not see that untill I did apt-cache showpkg , thanks for pushing my head more into how .deb is buildt up.`
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`13:44.15`	`SimonRaven`	`nullvoid: sorry, it'd be _log, not _dump`
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`13:44.38`	`SimonRaven`	`nullvoid: just > to a file`
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`13:45.27`	`SimonRaven`	`might need to do some processing ;)`
`13:46.15`	`nullvoid`	`SimonRaven: how the command gonna be`
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`13:46.45`	`SimonRaven`	`db4.2_log -h /path/to/bdb/files`
`13:46.58`	`SimonRaven`	`er, no`
`13:46.59`	`SammyTheSnake`	`anybody got any ideas how to get my wlan modules to install properly?`
`13:47.06`	`SimonRaven`	`db4.2_printlog -h /path/to/bdb/files`
`13:47.17`	`spdf`	`SammyTheSnake, what chipset?`
`13:47.29`	`nullvoid`	`sec`
`13:47.48`	`SammyTheSnake`	`I'm not 100% sure, but when I run /etc/init.d/wlan restart it tries to instll the p80211 module`
`13:48.04`	`nullvoid`	`db_printlog: users.db/log.0000000001: Not a directory`
`13:48.05`	`nullvoid`	`db_printlog: PANIC: Not a directory`
`13:48.05`	`nullvoid`	`db_printlog: PANIC: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery`
`13:48.05`	`nullvoid`	`db_printlog: users.db: Not a directory`
`13:48.05`	`nullvoid`	`db_printlog: DB_ENV->open: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery`
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`13:48.06`	`SammyTheSnake`	`unfortunately, the module produces errors when I run depmod :(`
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`13:48.21`	`spdf`	`SammyTheSnake, What's your wireless card?`
`13:48.38`	`nullvoid`	`I got error`
`13:48.41`	`SimonRaven`	`nullvoid: stop pasting here, and you have the wrong version`
`13:48.53`	`nullvoid`	`how do I know the version`
`13:49.29`	`SimonRaven`	`is this stuff in /var/lib/misc ?`
`13:49.31`	`SammyTheSnake`	`spdf: it's an anonymous usb dongle with almost no information with it. the wlan startup script seems to think that the correct module is p80211.ko. I assume that's right :s`
`13:49.43`	`spdf`	`SammyTheSnake, Assumptions don't help anyone ;)`
`13:49.56`	`spdf`	`SammyTheSnake, What does lspci tell you about it?`
`13:50.11`	`SammyTheSnake`	`spdf: lspci works on usb dongles?`
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`13:50.46`	`spdf`	`SammyTheSnake, It should`
`13:51.03`	`Shorty__`	`hi guys`
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`13:51.09`	`Shorty__`	`anyone used apache2 suexec before?`
`13:51.15`	`Shorty__`	`mines barfing with no clue as to why`
`13:51.21`	`SimonRaven`	`!anyone use`
`13:51.21`	`dpkg`	`No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it.`
`13:51.28`	`SammyTheSnake`	`spdf: I see a usb controller, but I don't see devices attached to it in the lspci output, do I need to use some parameters?`
`13:51.33`	`Shorty__`	`bah`
`13:51.37`	`Shorty__`	`I keep forgetting that`
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`13:51.43`	`RichiH`	`Shorty__: heh`
`13:51.51`	`petemc`	`SammyTheSnake: lsusb might be better, perhaps`
`13:51.57`	`dkowis`	`mkay, having problems building my kernel here...`
`13:52.00`	`Firestarter2`	`how long will nickserv keep my nick registered if I don't log on`
`13:52.04`	`SimonRaven`	`Shorty__: logs are saying what? set up a log for suexec? what's error.log saying?`
`13:52.04`	`dkowis`	`mkdir -p /usr/src/linux-2.4.31/debian/tmp-image/lib/modules/2.4.31/kernel/lib/zlib_deflate/`
`13:52.04`	`dkowis`	`cp zlib_deflate.o /usr/src/linux-2.4.31/debian/tmp-image/lib/modules/2.4.31/kernel/lib/zlib_deflate/`
`13:52.04`	`dkowis`	cp: cannot stat `zlib_deflate.o': No such file or directory
`13:52.05`	`Shorty__`	`Ok, I'm having an issue with Apache2 SuExec, It keeps barfing with no clue as to why, is anyone able to offer some assistance as to what may be the issue.`
`13:52.08`	`SammyTheSnake`	`petemc: that's a new one on me, I'll give it a go`
`13:52.15`	`dkowis`	`I just did apt-get install zlibc so it's got zlib now`
`13:52.15`	`spdf`	`dkowis, Watch the pasting...`
`13:52.16`	`RichiH`	`SammyTheSnake: usbview is great to see usb devices, too`
`13:52.20`	`RichiH`	`with fancy trees et al`
`13:52.21`	`Shorty__`	`SimonRaven, how would one set up a log for suexec?`
`13:52.24`	`dkowis`	`spdf: no more than 3 lines :)`
`13:52.27`	`SammyTheSnake`	`hmm, I don't get any output from lsusb :-S`
`13:52.28`	`RichiH`	`!paste`
`13:52.28`	`dpkg`	`well, paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff.`
`13:52.30`	`petemc`	`SammyTheSnake: you can also look in /proc/bus/usb/devices yourself..`
`13:52.34`	`SimonRaven`	`it's in the docs for suexec`
`13:52.35`	`Shorty__`	`error.log just says pre-mature end of headers for any cgi script being executed.`
`13:52.39`	`spdf`	`dkowis, Well, its pretty annoying to see three long lines, too.`
`13:53.09`	`SimonRaven`	`Shorty__: permissions. any script has to have 755 and ownership of the user/group running it`
`13:53.23`	`dkowis`	`spdf: okay, the policy we have in #sourcemage is no more than 3 lines, but I won't paste here at all`
`13:53.30`	`SimonRaven`	`and no set?uid`
`13:53.31`	`Shorty__`	`nod`
`13:53.33`	`SammyTheSnake`	`now that's weird. I tried lsusb -t and it says "cannot open /proc/bus/usb/devices, No such file or directory (2)"`
`13:53.35`	`SimonRaven`	`s/u//`
`13:53.39`	`Shorty__`	`when it's not using setuid, the script runs`
`13:53.44`	`hackeron`	`what vnc server would you recommend for someone who just wishes to occationaly control their screen at home to close a few firefox tabs to stop the rediculous 400MB memory consumption? :)`
`13:53.51`	`SammyTheSnake`	`I regularly use usb devices, though, mp3 player and digital camera, for example`
`13:53.52`	`Shorty__`	`but not properly because the files it's trying to access aren't owned by it`
`13:53.53`	`dkowis`	`but back to the question, what would be causing my kernel build to not be able to do something with zlib?`
`13:54.04`	`dkowis`	`I just built a kernel a moment ago with no problems`
`13:54.09`	`nullvoid`	`SimonRaven: I already got the db correct version, but still gives me same error`
`13:54.39`	`SammyTheSnake`	`I'm installing usbview now`
`13:54.43`	`SimonRaven`	`nullvoid: you don't, that error means wrong version. and you still haven't answered my previous question`
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`13:55.07`	`nullvoid`	`what's your question?`
`13:55.19`	`SimonRaven`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:55.55`	`nullvoid`	`Simonraven: it's in /var/lib/libpam-abl`
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`13:56.28`	`SimonRaven`	`nullvoid: it might be 4.3. is this sarge, etch, ...?`
`13:56.30`	`titanium`	`if i'm adding a new user and i don't want them to have any system access (they will be an ftp user only) what would be a reasonable homedir to give them? /tmp/ ?`
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`13:56.47`	`nullvoid`	`SimonRaven: I checked and it show libdb4.2`
`13:56.59`	`nullvoid`	`and I already have 4.2, just now I tried 4.3`
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`13:58.06`	`mtnman`	`tutanium: set the user's shell to false`
`13:58.08`	`SimonRaven`	`oh sorry, misread that error... -h means 'home', the directory where they are. you don't run it on a file`
`13:58.30`	`SammyTheSnake`	`petemc: usbdevfs isn't supported by my kernel, apparently, so usbview doesn't work (it appears that /proc/bus/usb/devices is dependent on usbdevfs)`
`13:58.44`	`mtnman`	`titanium: sorry, set the user's shell to /bin/false`
`13:58.52`	`petemc`	`SammyTheSnake: indeed it is`
`13:59.26`	`mtnman`	`titanium: if you set the user's shell to /tmp, all the files they ftp will go to that dir. i don't think that is what you want.`
`13:59.32`	`dkowis`	`okay, if I run make all by hand within the kernel dir, it builds me everything`
`13:59.36`	`SammyTheSnake`	`petemc: is there some package that adds usbdevfs support? I'm running kernel 2.6.12-1-686-smp`
`13:59.41`	`dkowis`	`but as soon as I do make-kpkg it dies`
`13:59.45`	`mtnman`	`titanium: s/shell/homedir/`
`13:59.46`	`petemc`	`SammyTheSnake: load the module`
`13:59.49`	`petemc`	`if you have it..`
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`14:00.32`	`spdf`	`SammyTheSnake, It'd be easier if you knew atleast the brand of the thing..`
`14:00.34`	`SammyTheSnake`	`petemc: what's the module called?`
`14:00.54`	`petemc`	`SammyTheSnake: usbfs perhaps - i havent looked at this shit in a while, been using a mac`
`14:01.22`	`dkowis`	`aha`
`14:01.26`	`sparcn00b`	`ok here goes nothing, booting the hacked image`
`14:01.32`	`spdf`	`sparcn00b, good luck`
`14:01.46`	`SammyTheSnake`	`spdf: a module is identified as the correct driver by the wlan startup script, the problem is that it won't install because of circular dependencies :(`
`14:02.00`	`spdf`	`SammyTheSnake, You're sure it has a prism chipset?`
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`14:02.31`	`sparcn00b`	`YAY`
`14:02.36`	`sparcn00b`	`it works`
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`14:02.41`	`SimonRaven`	`sounds like it worked`
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`14:02.51`	`sparcn00b`	`:D`
`14:02.53`	`spdf`	`sparcn00b, Good stuff. Hooray for google ;)`
`14:03.02`	`guru`	`is there a place that i can upload a custom compiled debian kernel?`
`14:03.04`	`SammyTheSnake`	`spdf: I haven't the faintest idea what the chipset is, but if the startup scripts think they know, I'm not going to complain`
`14:03.08`	`sparcn00b`	`hooray for you`
`14:03.10`	`sparcn00b`	`:)`
`14:03.27`	`mtnman`	`guru: what are you trying to accomplish?`
`14:03.30`	`guru`	`i noticed a lot of people looking for a kernel with the acpi patch from sourceforge.net compiled in so i compiled one as a kpkg`
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`14:04.03`	`asg`	`guru: better to publish a HOWTO so they can do it themselves`
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`14:04.12`	`character`	`I have a question....`
`14:04.16`	`wam`	`how can I tell "syslogd -r" to only listen on one IP-Address?`
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`14:04.27`	`sparcn00b`	`hmm keymap problems`
`14:04.34`	`asg`	`wam: use syslog-ng instead`
`14:04.35`	`character`	`my hard drive failed on my debian web server....`
`14:04.47`	`wam`	`asg: is the config-syntax similar?`
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`14:05.00`	`character`	`after switching over to the backkup hard drive I can't apt-get install any software....`
`14:05.02`	`asg`	`wam: completely different which makes it possible to do wonderous things.`
`14:05.05`	`sparcn00b`	`anybody know how to set the keymap for a type6 USB sun keyboard`
`14:05.13`	`wam`	`asg: thanks - i'll try ;)`
`14:05.14`	`character`	`there's a problem with a perl module ... Carp.pm...`
`14:05.19`	`mtnman`	`character: try to put the whole sentence in one line w/o pressing enter key`
`14:05.23`	`asg`	`wam: the default config, however, replicates what Debian's syslog config does so you can compare`
`14:05.43`	`guru`	`asg: that's just it...if they would RTFM or STFW they would know how...patch -p1 acpi-versionhere && make-kpkg clean && fakeroot make-kpkg --revision=acpi.1.0 kernel_image`
`14:05.49`	`iss`	`Where can I browse the official linux kernel repository?`
`14:06.06`	`guru`	`err, i forgot make menuconfig in that step, but you get the idea`
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`14:06.07`	`mtnman`	`iss: kernel.org`
`14:06.08`	`asg`	`guru: then create a breastfeeding HOWTO with little pictures and icons and shit`
`14:06.11`	`jerome`	`iss: see google "kernel" i'm feeling lucky`
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`14:06.29`	`mtnman`	`asg: that would get filtered by a lot of schools/libraries`
`14:06.33`	`guru`	`asg: pictures and icons? i never compile a kernel while running x`
`14:06.45`	`sewi`	`anybody know a good description (link) on how to create a backport of a package from unstable?`
`14:06.54`	`character`	`I have a question....my hard drive failed on my debian web server....after switching over to the backkup hard drive I can't apt-get install any software.... there's a problem with a perl module ... Carp.pm...`
`14:06.54`	`character`	`[can I reinstall perl withough having to reinstall the whole OS?`
`14:06.57`	`asg`	`guru: icons like 'Important Tip!'`
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`14:07.10`	`asg`	`mtnman: yeah :(`
`14:07.11`	`iss`	`jerome: i know kernel.org, but where's the git-web-interface?`
`14:07.13`	`guru`	`asg: bah, let them lazy bastages RTFM`
`14:07.15`	`mtnman`	`sewi: /msg dpkg simple sid backport`
`14:07.21`	`SammyTheSnake`	`character: have yoou tried using dpkg directly?`
`14:07.27`	`wam`	`asg: this is so sad. all I've learned the last hour is for nothing ... :/`
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`14:07.36`	`jerome`	`character: it would be simpler if you just paste the error somewhere (say pastebin)`
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`14:07.45`	`character`	`let me try right quick....`
`14:07.51`	`asg`	`guru: if you have a concise set of steps, just create a factoid in the bot (or ask tarzeau for an account and post it on the #debian wiki)`
`14:08.18`	`asg`	`wam: not at all, the concepts are the same, the config is different.`
`14:08.19`	`kneet`	`wam, coincidentally - the latest article on debian-administration.org is about syslog-ng`
`14:08.23`	`jerome`	`iss: you have to be joking`
`14:08.26`	`guru`	`asg: ok, will do`
`14:08.34`	`wam`	`kneet: yeah - fine - i love it ;)`
`14:08.49`	`kneet`	`wam, seemed useful when I read it :)`
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`14:09.08`	`kneet`	`wam, switched yesterday on a trial box - just to see how it was`
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`14:09.21`	`jerome`	`iss: well /git/ is the place, but clicking the correct link on the page would have lead you there ...`
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`14:10.12`	`sewi`	`mtnman: thanks`
`14:10.58`	`guru`	`asg: how do i add it as a factoid?`
`14:11.03`	`iss`	`jerome: I found it...`
`14:11.12`	`iss`	`Where can i find a list of supported hardware?`
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`14:11.24`	`mtnman`	`sewi: you're welcome`
`14:11.24`	`asg`	`guru: dpkg, <factoid name> is <text of factoid>`
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`14:11.46`	`jerome`	`iss: supported what ?`
`14:11.48`	`woodland`	`hi`
`14:11.48`	`woodland`	`hello`
`14:11.48`	`guru`	`asg: does "armada" sound ok for the factoid name?`
`14:11.56`	`mtnman`	`iss: hardware howto at tldp.org. i heard it is temporarily removed, so try the wayback machine at archive.org`
`14:12.03`	`jerome`	`iss: linux support Wacom tablet nicely`
`14:12.04`	`sparcn00b`	`ARGH`
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`14:12.09`	`jerome`	`+s`
`14:12.12`	`asg`	`guru: probably something along the lines of 'acpi custom kernel one-liner' or somesuch`
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`14:12.30`	`sparcn00b`	`the type6 sun keyboard has fuxor3d keymap, so i just hooked up a us101`
`14:12.32`	`asg`	`guru: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner (for an example)`
`14:12.35`	`sparcn00b`	`thats even worse`
`14:12.39`	`sparcn00b`	`::(:(`
`14:12.50`	`sparcn00b`	`i must consult ye gods`
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`14:13.02`	`Arisu_`	`I'm looking for a sudoers wizard. I've been on the website and browsed the archived mailing lists, but I thought I would poke around in IRC a bit before I sent out a mail rfi. Currently users access to root is controlled by a script that adds them to a netgroup required by the rules set up in the sudoers file. I would like to additionally restrict this access by specifying a secondary netgroup membership that would be required in addition t`
`14:13.13`	`Anthro`	`jerome: It can fail to give helpful indications of problems with USB devices in general and Wacom tablets in general, however.`
`14:13.17`	`guru`	`asg: ahh, nifty`
`14:13.57`	`Anthro`	`Arisu_: In what way is being a member of two different groups more secure than being a member of just one?`
`14:13.59`	`hideki_`	`Hihi, just downloaded etch, bin 1, trying to install, it won't install the base system - error is: libsigc++-1.2-5c102 missing - won't continue -.-`
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`14:15.50`	`SammyTheSnake`	`I've got usbdevfs working (apparently it changed its name to usbfs to "save confusion" :p) and I've now got some meaningful results from /proc/bus/usb/devices`
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`14:16.23`	`petemc`	`SammyTheSnake: so i was right? woo !`
`14:16.43`	`SammyTheSnake`	`I think I've identified the bit of the file that describes my wlan dongle (the other two stanzas were the USB controller and my mouse)`
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`14:17.10`	`spdf`	`SammyTheSnake, Alright, Want to paste it in #flood?`
`14:17.15`	`SammyTheSnake`	`who would like to look at it and tell me if they think they know what wlan module I ought to install? I ought to paste it on #flood or something`
`14:17.49`	`SammyTheSnake`	`spdf: any ideas?`
`14:17.55`	`sussudio`	`!any ideas`
`14:17.55`	`dpkg`	`Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of string, a little sauerkraut, and a dozen three-legged weasels. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes!`
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`14:18.37`	`spdf`	`"Dear Macguyver, Enclosed is a paper clip, rubber band, and drinking straw. Please save my dog."`
`14:18.47`	`fireba11_grr`	`hehe`
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`14:19.20`	`guru`	`dpkg: acpi custom kernel one-liner is apt-get install kernel-package ncurses-dev fakeroot wget bzip2 kernel-tree-2.6.12 && cd /usr/src && tar xjvf linux-source-2.6.12 && ln -s /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.12 /usr/src/linux && cd /usr/src/linux && wget http://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/lenb/acpi/patches/release/2.6.13/acpi-20050902-2.6.13.diff.bz2 && bunzip2 acpi-20050902-2.6.13.diff.bz2 && patch -p1 acpi-20050902-2.6.13.diff && make menuconf`
`14:19.20`	`dpkg`	`okay, guru`
`14:19.29`	`christos`	`hello, is there any nslookup alternative with ls capability?`
`14:19.29`	`SammyTheSnake`	`spdf: usbview lists an "unknown device" and provies what looks like more information but I expect is just the same information layed out more verbosely :p`
`14:19.34`	`guru`	`asg: it took me this whole time to type that :-\`
`14:19.47`	`mtnman`	`christos: ls capability?`
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`14:19.50`	`asg`	`guru: :)`
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`14:20.09`	`guru`	`asg: but it truly is a one liner, just copy and paste ;)`
`14:20.13`	`spdf`	`SammyTheSnake, Looks like its an Digitus WLAN USB Adaptor.. sis163u chipset...`
`14:20.27`	`spdf`	`SammyTheSnake, not a prism... you'll need to use ndiswrapper it would seem..`
`14:20.33`	`SammyTheSnake`	`spdf: care to share how you could tell that from a load of gobbledigook?`
`14:20.42`	`guru`	`it's 2.6.12-specific, but should work for other versions with minor adjustments :)`
`14:20.48`	`character`	`jerome...I pasted my error in pastebin.`
`14:20.55`	`spdf`	`SammyTheSnake, Vendor: 0457, ProdID: 0163`
`14:20.58`	`SammyTheSnake`	`spdf: how do I go about getting ndiswrapper working?`
`14:20.59`	`asg`	`guru: cool`
`14:21.03`	`character`	`thanks in advance for your help.`
`14:21.15`	`spdf`	`SammyTheSnake, http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/List`
`14:21.25`	`Nick_Hill`	`There is a wireless 802g chipset which is supported by free software and does not require a firmware file. Can anyone remind me?`
`14:21.27`	`spdf`	`SammyTheSnake, Do a page search for "0457:0163"`
`14:21.28`	`guru`	`asg: it didn't store the entire thing`
`14:21.35`	`spdf`	`SammyTheSnake, You'll see it there.. with a link to the driver as well..`
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`14:21.43`	`guru`	`it cuts it off right after the patch -p1`
`14:21.47`	`Arisu_`	`Anthro: It is more secure because it prevents mistakes being made in regard to whom is added to the dynamic netgroup. Only admins are supposed to have the dynamic netgroup assigned, however, sometimes mistakes are made. If the admin group is required in addition to the dynamically assigned group, then things are a bit more 'dummy proof'.`
`14:21.59`	`asg`	`guru: hmmm, shows up for me in priv with the bot`
`14:21.59`	`christos`	`mtnman: ls subcommand lists information for a dns domain`
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`14:22.04`	`guru`	`maybe i better put it on a wiki somewhere after all :)`
`14:22.06`	`guru`	`asg: not me`
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`14:22.10`	`Nick_Hill`	`I remember RMS talking about itin his taiwan speech`
`14:22.14`	`SammyTheSnake`	`spdf: "page search" you mean with google or something?`
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`14:22.22`	`guru`	`asg: patch -p1 acpi-20050902-2.6.13.diff ...`
`14:22.22`	`spdf`	`SammyTheSnake, nah, CTRL-F`
`14:22.26`	`guru`	`that's the last line for me`
`14:22.43`	`mtnman`	`christos: never heard of that. however, nslookup is deprecated. most people use "host" or "dig" these days.`
`14:22.46`	`SammyTheSnake`	`spdf: err, what page?`
`14:22.54`	`amphi`	`Nick_Hill: there's the ralink rt2500 IIRC`
`14:23.08`	`SammyTheSnake`	`spdf: ah, I just spotted the link you gave, ignore my ineptitude a moment :p`
`14:23.13`	`mtnman`	`nick_hill: sounds like a job for a search engine`
`14:23.22`	`guru`	`asg: if i keep sending "acpi custom kernel one-liner" then sometimes i get a few characters more, sometimes less`
`14:23.32`	`stew`	`guru: you shouldn't make a symlink from a source tree to /usr/src/linux`
`14:23.43`	`guru`	`stew: how come?`
`14:23.54`	`spdf`	`SammyTheSnake, Take your time :)`
`14:23.57`	`stew`	`guru: becuase it explicily says not to in the kernel README`
`14:24.04`	`guru`	`ahh, i never knew that`
`14:24.05`	`Nick_Hill`	`amphi, Yes, I think it is ralink.`
`14:24.17`	`Nick_Hill`	`..it rings a bell`
`14:24.17`	`petemc`	`its a popular misconception`
`14:24.21`	`guru`	`stew: that's the first time i built a kernel by downloading the source tree`
`14:24.28`	`amphi`	`Nick_Hill: http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/`
`14:24.29`	`stew`	`guru: and that would make your script shorter :)`
`14:24.44`	`guru`	`stew: is there any way to change the factoid?`
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`14:25.08`	`stew`	`!acpi custom kernel one-liner =~ s#&& ln -s /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.12 /usr/src/linux && cd /usr/src/linux##`
`14:25.08`	`dpkg`	`OK, stew`
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`14:25.29`	`guru`	`sweet, i love sed`
`14:25.30`	`hideki_`	`Hihi, just downloaded etch, bin 1, trying to install, it won't install the base system - error is: libsigc++-1.2-5c102 missing - won't continue -.-`
`14:25.33`	`yam`	`using badblocks to do a non-destructive hard disk testing... # badblocks -sn /dev/hda`
`14:25.41`	`yam`	`it returns a number`
`14:25.44`	`yam`	`number 4`
`14:25.49`	`yam`	`same number on both system disks`
`14:25.52`	`yam`	`what dos it mean?`
`14:26.00`	`EvilSporkMan`	`is it normal for xev to pick up MotionNotify events when the mouse is moved over parts of the screen that are _not_ its window?`
`14:26.13`	`mtnman`	`hideki_: i suggest installing stable and doing a dist-upgrade to etch.`
`14:26.16`	`SammyTheSnake`	`spdf: hmm, it doesn't look like there are ndis wrappers available for my kernel from debian yet :(`
`14:26.29`	`guru`	`stew: still not quite...`
`14:26.37`	`guru`	`stew: it's the wget statement that is taking up the most space`
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`14:27.41`	`mtnman`	`yam: i have no idea, but if i wanted to know, i'd read man badblocks.`
`14:27.41`	`Nick_Hill`	`amphi, Thank you for the link. Gives useful info about the chip. If I upgrade my network to 11g, or need more cards, I will look out for cards with the ralink rt2500 chipset.`
`14:27.59`	`amphi`	`Nick_Hill: they're cheap too ;)`
`14:28.04`	`yam`	`mtnman: already did dude... but I cannot get any conclusion`
`14:28.06`	`EvilSporkMan`	`abrotman: guess whose focus issues mysteriously came back`
`14:28.13`	`hideki_`	`ahh, I use 1210SA controller, not sure what supports it`
`14:28.14`	`abrotman`	`EvilSporkMan: bob?`
`14:28.17`	`Nick_Hill`	`amphi, Which products, and how much/ where from?`
`14:28.21`	`guru`	`holy shit, my laptop is running at 87C`
`14:28.23`	`abrotman`	`hideki_: that's a software controller`
`14:28.26`	`amphi`	`guru: heh`
`14:28.27`	`guru`	`should i start panicing?`
`14:28.38`	`EvilSporkMan`	`abrotman: mine, but close =P`
`14:28.40`	`abrotman`	`EvilSporkMan: what did you do again?`
`14:28.46`	`guru`	`note: i'm compiling a kernel`
`14:29.07`	`EvilSporkMan`	`abrotman: focus in X11 is "sticking" to windows or parts of windows`
`14:29.12`	`mtnman`	`yam: did you actually read it, or just scan?`
`14:29.15`	`amphi`	`Nick_Hill: I forget the brand, perhaps Ralink's own cardbus card; a friend got one, maybe GBP15 or something?`
`14:29.25`	`abrotman`	`EvilSporkMan: move the mouse!`
`14:29.31`	`guru`	`phew...i reached over to close a terminal and as i did my screen went black and i thought the cpu had fried...it was the power management for the screen kicking in`
`14:29.34`	`hideki_`	`PCI card, looks like hardware to me`
`14:29.37`	`EvilSporkMan`	`for example, xev picks up on mouse motion over the whole screen, which, i believe, is not normal behavior`
`14:29.39`	`abrotman`	`EvilSporkMan: tried changing the mouse protocol?`
`14:29.51`	`yam`	`mtnman: ignore my question... you are no help at all... actually you bother`
`14:29.52`	`EvilSporkMan`	`abrotman: that's the problem...it doesn't move when i move the mouse and is resistant to clicking`
`14:29.58`	`abrotman`	`EvilSporkMan: tried changing the mouse protocol?`
`14:30.04`	`EvilSporkMan`	`abrotman: nope, not yet`
`14:30.08`	`abrotman`	`EvilSporkMan: tried changing the mouse protocol?`
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`14:30.34`	`robin_sz`	`silly installer`
`14:30.36`	`mtnman`	`yam: if you'd really like me to ignore you, fine. however there is also more info in /usr/share/doc/e2fsprogs`
`14:30.36`	`EvilSporkMan`	`abrotman: does the fact that the mouse moves just fine make a difference to that suggestion?`
`14:30.41`	`mkl1525`	`Hi, our backup disk is running full and now we've got to delete some of our backup files. It would be easy to delete the oldest ones, but I'd like to keep a backup per day (we do 8 backups a day) - but don't know how do this - any help?`
`14:30.49`	`Nick_Hill`	`amphi, Great price. The trick is to avoid the silly practise of vendors changing chipsets yet keeping the model number the same..`
`14:30.57`	`equipo11_`	`somebady know where I can get openoffice2.0 pakcages (repository)`
`14:31.00`	`abrotman`	`EvilSporkMan: i'm not sure .. but something is stealing focus`
`14:31.19`	`antgel`	`equipo11_: search the debian-user archives`
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`14:31.36`	`equipo11_`	`how=`
`14:31.36`	`guru`	`mkl1525: i'd just write a bash script (or perl, php, whatever) and add it as a daily cron entry to delete all but the most recent one for that day`
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`14:32.09`	`Nick_Hill`	`amphi, I bought a Belkin F5D6020 believeing it to be similar to another F5D6020, but the second one had a different chipset, different driver, different type of interface and different voltage. Completely different product, and incompatible.`
`14:32.09`	`SammyTheSnake`	`spdf: thanks for your help, I'll have to play around with changing kernels and other stuff before I can get this sillly wee dongle working :(`
`14:32.12`	`EvilSporkMan`	`abrotman: changed it to auto; problem still exists`
`14:32.18`	`guru`	`my laptop is running at 88C! does this mean that i'm going to time travel now?`
`14:32.24`	`spdf`	`SammyTheSnake, You shouldn't have to change kernels..`
`14:32.25`	`abrotman`	`EvilSporkMan: have you tried the debian-x mailing list?`
`14:32.30`	`Guerin`	`mkl1525: logrotate can do this`
`14:32.39`	`SammyTheSnake`	`spdf: either that or compile the ndis wrapper modules myself`
`14:32.39`	`robin_sz`	`mkl1525, which backup system are you using?`
`14:32.49`	`spdf`	`SammyTheSnake, Compile the ndiswrapper modules yourself. Its easier.`
`14:32.52`	`mkl1525`	`Guerin, thanks will take a look`
`14:32.54`	`Guerin`	`mkl1525: or you can look into using something with built-in versioning like rsnapshot`
`14:32.59`	`spdf`	`SammyTheSnake, /msg dpkg ndiswrapper one-liner`
`14:33.09`	`guru`	`SammyTheSnake: what laptop is this for?`
`14:33.11`	`mkl1525`	`robin_sz, tar ;)`
`14:33.16`	`EvilSporkMan`	`abrotman: you try navigating webpages and using xchat with focus like this and see if you can try the debian-x mailing liist =P. trying it now`
`14:33.18`	`SammyTheSnake`	`guru: not a laptop`
`14:33.24`	`guru`	`ahh ok`
`14:33.31`	`spdf`	`guru, No-name usb wlan device..`
`14:33.31`	`robin_sz`	`mkl1525, lokk at using aproper backup system ... like amanda or something then, as all this and more is handled automatically`
`14:33.34`	`abrotman`	`EvilSporkMan: try lynx`
`14:33.43`	`guru`	`ahh ok`
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`14:33.47`	`EvilSporkMan`	`abrotman: the annoying part is that it worked great all of yesterday and i definitely didn't change anything X-related`
`14:33.50`	`mkl1525`	`robin_sz, thanks will have a look at this too`
`14:34.00`	`spdf`	`SammyTheSnake, apt-get install ndiswrapper-source ndiswrapper-utils`
`14:34.08`	`fireba11_grr`	`mkl1525: i suggest taking a closer look at bacula`
`14:34.08`	`amphi`	`Nick_Hill: yeah, they like to do that`
`14:34.10`	`EvilSporkMan`	`abrotman: i'd still have to change focus between the xterm and xchat`
`14:34.15`	`guru`	`SammyTheSnake: i have a script you might really like then...it's called phpwifi and it's used to manage wireless connections...also, setting up ndiswrapper is quite easy`
`14:34.32`	`scruffy`	`fireba11_grr: wish it had encryption`
`14:34.46`	`fireba11_grr`	`scruffy: you can set it up with encryption you know ...`
`14:35.00`	`SammyTheSnake`	`guru/spdf: I'm just installing the build depends for the ndis wrapper stuff`
`14:35.05`	`scruffy`	`fireba11_grr: encryption of the data on disk, or encryption during transit?`
`14:35.11`	`spdf`	`SammyTheSnake, cool. I'll be around if you get stuck`
`14:35.34`	`guru`	`SammyTheSnake: kewl...if you need any help just let me know`
`14:35.35`	`fireba11`	`scruffy: encryption during transfer`
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`14:35.50`	`robin_sz`	`ok .. anyone got any more clue for installing Debian on a raid partition?`
`14:36.04`	`fireba11`	`scruffy: don#t think it#'d make much sense to encrypt your tape contents`
`14:36.10`	`robin_sz`	`or im I going to have to use Dedrat?`
`14:36.11`	`scruffy`	`fireba11: okay, I meant the other, encryption of the data that's backed up.`
`14:36.22`	`fireba11`	`scruffy: why you want to do that ?`
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`14:36.55`	`fireba11`	`scruffy: also i'm pretty sure taht can be done`
`14:36.59`	`scruffy`	`fireba11: why wouldn't it make sense? what if someone walks off with the external drive?`
`14:37.22`	`robin_sz`	`scruffy, there are encryteded file systems .. ideal for USB drives etc`
`14:37.23`	`fireba11`	`scruffy: you should put your backup in the safe anyway ...`
`14:37.29`	`robin_sz`	`cryptfs etc`
`14:38.04`	`fireba11`	`scruffy: ans your backup server shouldn't be physically accessible in case you want it to be secure from your ppl at all`
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`14:38.10`	`robin_sz`	`scruffy, and you can always use GPG or some such to crypt stuff`
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`14:38.32`	`robin_sz`	`fireba11, relying on physical security is a bit old hat you know`
`14:38.49`	`nova`	`hi, is there a mysql5 debian pkg out?`
`14:38.51`	`fireba11`	`scruffy: bacula supports running scripts bevore and after abckup jobs, you can uses those to set up the encryption if you want to`
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`14:39.38`	`robin_sz`	`scruffy, why not run cryptfs on the discs and then use dump and restore to dump the data to tape?`
`14:39.41`	`DosDBot`	`re`
`14:39.50`	`EvilSporkMan`	`abrotman: it looks like debian-x is all bug discussion...should i just file a bug report and see what happens?`
`14:39.56`	`lxIT`	`someone develops PHP in Linux? I'm looking for a descent IDE to replace ZEND`
`14:39.59`	`hideki_`	`sarge locks at SCSI probe`
`14:40.00`	`scruffy`	`fireba11, robin_sz: I guess I've been lazy`
`14:40.10`	`guru`	`lxIT: i use gvim/vi`
`14:40.10`	`Melqart`	`is it normal that it takes so long to install graphic enviroment?`
`14:40.12`	`fireba11`	`robin_sz: if someone got physical access to my backup server he can just easily take the whole box with him .. so what's the point in encrypting the tape ..`
`14:40.26`	`spdf`	`Melqart, it can..`
`14:40.30`	`robin_sz`	`fireba11, so that when he gets home, he cannot read the data?`
`14:40.34`	`nova`	`hi, is there a mysql5 debian pkg out?`
`14:40.40`	`scruffy`	`robin_sz: I use external enclosures with hard disks instead of tapes, but I'm going to look into the cryptofs.`
`14:40.48`	`nix`	`nova: www.dotdeb.org`
`14:40.52`	`guru`	`fireba11: you may not be in physical control of your backup, but your data would be safe`
`14:40.56`	`robin_sz`	`scruffy, its good on laptops too ..`
`14:40.59`	`Melqart`	`still 47%`
`14:41.04`	`nova`	`nix: ty`
`14:41.10`	`Melqart`	`��`
`14:41.15`	`scruffy`	`robin_sz: encrypting ~ and such, I'd imagine`
`14:41.23`	`fireba11`	`scruffy: that should solve that problem nicely ... also better make PRETTY sure you can still access it when your server breaks ...`
`14:41.33`	`lxIT`	`guru: vi is a little bit basic :s I like code completion etc`
`14:41.43`	`scruffy`	`fireba11: usb key should work`
`14:41.56`	`robin_sz`	`scruffy, look at lufs-cryptofs`
`14:42.35`	`nova`	`lxIT: vim can but, there is not really something like Zend..`
`14:42.46`	`nova`	`but you could try eclipse`
`14:42.55`	`scruffy`	`fireba11: by the way, I think I took over someone else's conversation. I entered into the middle.`
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`14:43.16`	`abrotman`	`evilsprke!`
`14:43.24`	`guru`	`lxIT: heh, i prefer either vi or gvim`
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`14:43.58`	`lxIT`	`nova: didn't know vim does code completion`
`14:44.07`	`lxIT`	`I'll google on it`
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`14:44.12`	`Melqart`	`almost 2 hours!`
`14:44.24`	`scruffy`	`robin_sz: nearly all the google results for that are debian related. Is it a Debianism or something?`
`14:44.25`	`agentbob`	`anyone know why the mozilla package ignores -height and -width from command line?`
`14:44.32`	`fireba11`	`scruffy: i know .. i just imagined how i would react if i would find out my mackup worked and is fine, i just can't access it because it's encrypted ...`
`14:44.34`	`spdf`	`Melqart, Perhaps the connect has stalled.. Are you installing from cdrom or network?`
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`14:45.25`	`scruffy`	`fireba11: yeah, well with any backup thingamajig you probably want to test it before you actually need it. :D`
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`14:46.30`	`abrotman`	`evil!!!!`
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`14:48.09`	`fireba11`	`scruffy: jup .. got a test restore from backup sceduled for next week :-D`
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`14:48.35`	`lxIT`	`help`
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`14:48.42`	`lxIT`	`oeps, wrong keyboard :s`
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`14:50.25`	`spayne`	`is there anyway to install Mono on Sarge?`
`14:50.56`	`SammyTheSnake`	`spayne: aptitude install mono ?`
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`14:52.09`	`abrotman`	`spayne: yes .. kind of`
`14:52.12`	`abrotman`	`SammyTheSnake: not in sarge`
`14:52.36`	`Melqart`	`spdf im installing from ftp`
`14:52.43`	`SammyTheSnake`	`abrotman: my bad, I thought it was (I'm sure I had it installed when sarge was still testing, maybe it got culled)`
`14:52.47`	`Melqart`	`it goes on`
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`14:52.55`	`abrotman`	`SammyTheSnake: it did`
`14:52.58`	`Melqart`	`but too slowly`
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`14:53.58`	`yure`	`spayne: http://pkg-mono.alioth.debian.org/`
`14:54.39`	`spayne`	`thanks`
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`14:55.36`	`vmx`	`there seems to be a bug in glibc (testing). when i try to start "grun xpdf foo.pdf" i get "* glibc detected * malloc(): memory corruption: 0x0804f200 ***". can anyone confirm that?`
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`14:55.50`	`lxIT`	`I never find where I can change the background-color of irssi`
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`14:56.22`	`spayne`	`thanks yure - just what i needed`
`14:56.41`	`Melqart`	`what file-sharing application can i run on debian?`
`14:56.59`	`Melqart`	`i mean, is there an "emule" for linux? i guess so..`
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`14:57.14`	`abrotman`	`spayne: you can usually grab packages for mono from etch ..`
`14:57.30`	`Drakh`	`quick question, if I install a new network card, do I run discover to get it mapped to ethx`
`14:57.41`	`Drakh`	`then I can edit interfaces and restart networking`
`14:58.08`	`SammyTheSnake`	`Melqart: I use bittorrent on debian, I wouldn't be surprised if there were more`
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`14:58.44`	`Drakh`	`can someone tell me if im right`
`14:58.59`	`muppetsex`	`Is there a inverted option of --force-overwrite? I want to install a package that conflicts with a file, and keep the file from the OLD package.`
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`15:00.43`	`dli_`	`which ntp.conf option to prevent ntp clients fall into Failed, even when the time difference is too big`
`15:00.57`	`SammyTheSnake`	`Melqart: http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2003/03/msg00276.html`
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`15:02.46`	`robin_sz`	`sigh, stuff it .. I'll just have to not have RAID then :(`
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`15:03.44`	`SammyTheSnake`	`Melqart: also try installing xmule "aptitude install xmule" I've no idea how good / bad it is, but it claims to be a linux port of emule`
`15:03.55`	`SammyTheSnake`	`Melqart: ditto "amule"`
`15:04.11`	`dimir`	`malq: I use amule.`
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`15:04.20`	`dimir`	`Melqart, that iis`
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`15:05.02`	`pureone`	`you should beable to get limewire running on debian`
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`15:05.17`	`dimir`	`but amule is available for unstable only, so I had to build it from sources. Though there maybe backports available.`
`15:05.32`	`dimir`	`yeah, it's java based.`
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`15:05.52`	`thingfish`	`!info easytag sarge`
`15:06.00`	`dpkg`	`easytag: (viewing, editing and writing ID3 tags), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.99.3-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 679 kB, Installed size: 2096 kB`
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`15:06.58`	`linuxguy`	`Could anyone help me get networking working with sarge on a HP Proliant dl360 g3`
`15:07.21`	`linuxguy`	`I can modprobe the module, and set up the ip, but networking is refusing to work`
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`15:09.00`	`dli_`	`how to disable dhclient3? after I have set static IP in /etc/network/interfaces`
`15:09.20`	`dli_`	`linuxguy: "route"`
`15:09.24`	`graphite`	`ive recently installed debian (my first linux) on my laptop and the sound is completely buggered, even when plugging in external speakers. Can anyone offer any help to a n00b in need?`
`15:09.30`	`dli_`	`linuxguy: "ifconfig"`
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`15:09.46`	`linuxguy`	`dli_: I set the default route, I also set up the ip`
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`15:10.03`	`linuxguy`	`dli_: ping 127.0.0.1 works fine so it's not the network card`
`15:10.03`	`dli_`	`linuxguy: can you arping ?`
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`15:10.24`	`muppetsex`	`Is there an inverted option of --force-overwrite? I want to install a package that conflicts with a file from another pkg, and keep the file from the OLD package.`
`15:10.27`	`linuxguy`	`dli_: I've never tried that, arpping somemacaccy I am guessing`
`15:10.29`	`dli_`	`linuxguy: arping <your gateway>`
`15:10.43`	`linuxguy`	`dli_: Mac address or ip?`
`15:10.48`	`dli_`	`linuxguy: IP`
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`15:10.59`	`linuxguy`	`dli_: Because I can't ping the ip of my gateway`
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`15:11.19`	`dli_`	`linuxguy: arping <ip of gateway>`
`15:11.26`	`SimonRaven`	`route -n, so it doesn't rely on dns/hosts`
`15:11.39`	`linuxguy`	`dli_: Ok just a minute`
`15:11.47`	`cmdKeen`	`I have PC1 connected to internet. PC1 has 2 network cards. I want to use second one for connect to PC2 and use internet here... I know that's strange, but i don't have switch at the moment....`
`15:11.54`	`dli_`	`SimonRaven: right, maybe, it's not even correct in "route"`
`15:12.22`	`petemc`	`cmdKeen: its not that strange, you could use the ipmasq package`
`15:12.24`	`daniele83`	`hi! I've problems with my mouse... I simply can't use it! It is not an HW problem, because with a livecd it works. And mdetect detects it. What can I do??`
`15:12.25`	`SimonRaven`	`my first guess is that his routing table isn't set up, or missing a default route`
`15:12.33`	`dli_`	`cmdKeen: I heard it's "apt-get install ipmasq", but I don't know how to make it work`
`15:13.00`	`dli_`	`danieldg: "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"`
`15:13.26`	`dli_`	`SimonRaven: right, he did say "setting up IP and route"`
`15:13.49`	`ifup`	`Does anyone know of a ssh wrapper for telnet? I use telnet for a lot of scripts I have and need to move to ssh`
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`15:14.15`	`asg`	`ifup: ssh is a telnet replacement for all practical purposes`
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`15:15.43`	`ifup`	`asg: I understand that, I wrote some perl scripts that use net::telnet::cisco and net::ssh::perl will not work with cisco devices`
`15:16.06`	`asg`	`ifup: oh, I see`
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`15:16.59`	`junir_`	`is mplayer the best music player for linux?`
`15:17.00`	`daniele83`	`dli_ i tried now dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and restarted server X but with no result`
`15:17.04`	`ifup`	`so if I could find some way to say when I telnet to device A use SSH wrapper or somthing to that effect`
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`15:17.11`	`daniele83`	`mouse doesn't works`
`15:17.26`	`mtnman`	`junir_: according to the mplayer website, yes.`
`15:17.45`	`junir_`	`im just looking for a good music organiser like itunes?`
`15:17.48`	`Gnea`	`daniele83: what mouse?`
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`15:17.59`	`mtnman`	`juni_: mplayer is more for video, you may prefer xmms`
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`15:18.25`	`soce_32`	`junir_: amarok is nice`
`15:18.41`	`Gnea`	`junir_: amarok`
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`15:18.58`	`cmdKeen`	`petemc: I am lame in network things... can you help me/redirect me to some useful resources ?`
`15:19.05`	`stew`	`whats that one with the latin name, people like that one a lot`
`15:19.08`	`daniele83`	`Gnea: any USB mouse I try to connect (actually a Logitech usb mouse, but also a Microsoft or a Trust)`
`15:19.24`	`Gnea`	`daniele83: what device is xorg.conf pointed to?`
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`15:20.10`	`daniele83`	`Gnea: now /dev/input/mice, detected during dpkg-reconfigure. But mdetect finds /dev/psaux...`
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`15:20.36`	`petemc`	`cmdKeen: often times, apt-get install ipmasq, answer a few simple questoins, and you're away`
`15:20.42`	`Gnea`	`daniele83: cat /dev/input/mice and move the mouse around - do you get garbage on the screen?`
`15:20.51`	`guru`	`if i copy my kernel tree from my laptop to my server with the .config file intact and everything and compile it on my workstation it would be the same as compiling it on my laptop right?`
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`15:21.20`	`junir_`	`ok ill giev it a try`
`15:21.23`	`junir_`	`*give`
`15:21.24`	`graphite`	`does anyone know how i can fix my sound card (im a n00b). it can work ie. play music, but it is absolutely awful, even when plugging in external speakers or earphones`
`15:21.35`	`cmdKeen`	`i aptgetted it, but don't have any idea what to do now... set up eth1 for second card ?`
`15:21.50`	`Gnea`	`guru: as long as the compiler is the same version, shouldn't have a problem, just ftp it back over`
`15:22.12`	`guru`	`kewl, thanks`
`15:22.18`	`daniele83`	`Gnea: no, I don't see anything`
`15:22.19`	`petemc`	`cmdKeen: you're going to need to do a bit of reading, /usr/share/doc/ipmasq/`
`15:22.41`	`Gnea`	`daniele83: lsmod \| grep mouse anything?`
`15:23.06`	`junir_`	`mmm, i dont think you can use amarok with gnome`
`15:23.14`	`cmdKeen`	`petemc: ok, I am going in:) thanks`
`15:23.24`	`Gnea`	`junir_: it's a kde app, but it'll work just fine in a gnome environment`
`15:23.36`	`junir_`	`ok`
`15:23.54`	`daniele83`	`Gnea: got mousedev and psmouse`
`15:24.34`	`Gnea`	`daniele83: lsmod \| grep usb anything?`
`15:24.37`	`abrotman`	`!aussiesmite Gnea`
`15:24.38`	`mace_`	`LOL`
`15:24.39`	`dpkg`	`Gnea: shut up ya bloody yank or i'll cut your acres off!`
`15:24.46`	`Gnea`	`heh`
`15:24.59`	`sparcn00b`	`im rofl here`
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`15:25.08`	`Gnea`	`abrotman: i don't own any acres ROFL`
`15:25.13`	`sparcn00b`	`if i choose the sun keyboard layout at setup for my blade`
`15:25.17`	`sparcn00b`	`it doesnt work`
`15:25.17`	`daniele83`	`Gnea: got usbcore`
`15:25.24`	`abrotman`	`Gnea: somehow .. i don't think that's what it means in aussie-speak`
`15:25.25`	`Gnea`	`daniele83: modprobe usbhid`
`15:25.28`	`sparcn00b`	`if i choose pc layout, it does not work`
`15:25.35`	`Gnea`	`abrotman: probably not ;)`
`15:25.45`	`Gnea`	`ok`
`15:25.48`	`sparcn00b`	`if i skip the choosing entirely, it works flawlessly`
`15:25.51`	`Gnea`	`i gotta get going here`
`15:25.56`	`sparcn00b`	`how dumb is that`
`15:25.57`	`abrotman`	`sparcn00b: you tried #debiansparc ?`
`15:26.01`	`daniele83`	`MAGIC! thanks Gnea!!!`
`15:26.06`	`Gnea`	`ah cool`
`15:26.09`	`abrotman`	`Gnea: go to work!`
`15:26.11`	`sparcn00b`	`uhh no abrotman`
`15:26.16`	`abrotman`	`!sparc`
`15:26.16`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc`
`15:26.18`	`Gnea`	`abrotman: #)`
`15:26.36`	`Gnea`	`sparcn00b: yeah, this is an x86-based channel`
`15:26.41`	`Gnea`	`ok i'm out`
`15:26.53`	`mtnman`	`gnea: that is not entirely true`
`15:26.53`	`sparcn00b`	`mkay`
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`15:26.56`	`sparcn00b`	`thanks`
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`15:27.57`	`Gnea`	`mtnman: read: 'based'`
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`15:28.33`	`mtnman`	`gnea: you are the only person i've ever heard to make that assertion. there is no mention of x86 in /topic or anywhere else that i know of.`
`15:28.52`	`Gnea`	`mtnman: because it's true?`
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`15:29.10`	`mtnman`	`gnea: because you say so, or do you have another rationale?`
`15:29.20`	`petemc`	`i wouldnt say its written in stone, if there is someone here to help with a problem, no matter what the arch, its relevant`
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`15:29.28`	`mtnman`	`gnea: i'm not arguing that sparc info can be better found elsewhere.`
`15:29.31`	`Gnea`	`mtnman: the assertion is blatantly obvious, why do #sparcdebian or #debian-ppc exist? #debian-amd64 - c'mon, get a clue`
`15:29.52`	`Gnea`	`anyhow`
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`15:29.55`	`Gnea`	`i'm outties`
`15:29.57`	`Gnea`	`gone`
`15:30.04`	`mtnman`	`gnea: i disagree with you and you have not shown any evidence of your assertion.`
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`15:30.47`	`azeem`	`amd64 is mainstream enough that it will increasingly be covered in here, I guess`
`15:30.59`	`tehsux`	`the sparc channel is pretty dead`
`15:31.00`	`deepan`	`i was copying a file using dd command with conv=noerror option .. my computer hanged in the middle.. and it has copied 685136 records... how do i continue the copycommand.. exactly from that point ?`
`15:31.10`	`tehsux`	`i did not know this channel was x86 only`
`15:31.14`	`azeem`	`this is not true for sparc or maybe even powerpc, people are probably well advised to use the relevant channels for those`
`15:31.19`	`mtnman`	`tehsux: it sin't`
`15:31.27`	`mtnman`	`isn't`
`15:31.29`	`tehsux`	`:/`
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`15:32.19`	`SimonRaven`	`isn't but often people assume it is`
`15:32.42`	`Skiver`	`guys, is it possible to have debian on an Ipaq ?`
`15:32.49`	`azeem`	`well, you cannot rely on getting help for obscure archs in here. You might be lucky, though`
`15:32.52`	`mtnman`	`the fact is that most people running debian do so on x86, and that is reflected in the conversation onthis channel.`
`15:32.56`	`Bac9`	`I can get a grub diskette to boot fine in qemu, but on real hardware it gives "GRUB GRUB GRUB " ad infinitum, can someone help? (yes I tried #grub, noone there answers)`
`15:32.57`	`SammyTheSnake`	`I think x86 is often considered as a "default" architecture for linux, simply because it's the one most people use`
`15:32.58`	`asg`	`Skiver: check handhelds.org`
`15:33.27`	`mtnman`	`sammythesnake:it is the original linux arch`
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`15:33.28`	`SammyTheSnake`	`if you have a problem that is specific to a different architecture, you would probably find a specific channel would be useful, but it'd still be on topic here`
`15:33.34`	`tehsux`	`fact is that i got it working, with help from people here`
`15:33.42`	`SammyTheSnake`	`if there were a #debian-x86, that would be x86 specific`
`15:33.44`	`tehsux`	`so i would not say that this channel is x86 only`
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`15:33.59`	`mtnman`	`it is a general debian channel`
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`15:34.28`	`tehsux`	`well its installing now, i think it will work out`
`15:34.32`	`mtnman`	`imho, gnea's opinion is faulty`
`15:34.40`	`azeem`	`whatever`
`15:34.44`	`SammyTheSnake`	`imho, gnea is a doofus :p`
`15:34.51`	`tehsux`	`heh`
`15:34.57`	`mtnman`	`sammythesnake: no need to be inflammatory.`
`15:34.59`	`tombs`	`Skiver : http://gpe.handhelds.org/screenshots/view_album.php?set_albumName=wip&page=2`
`15:35.18`	`azeem`	`it's not alright to tell people to go elsewhere just because they run != x86. It is perfectly ok to point them to those chans, though, IMHO`
`15:35.36`	`SammyTheSnake`	`mtnman: no intention of inflamation, doofus is (at least in my locale) a non-inflamatory term :)`
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`15:35.55`	`tehsux`	`You people just dont like me because my hardware is leeter :P`
`15:35.58`	`mtnman`	`sammythesnake: in this part of the world, it has a negative connotation.`
`15:36.04`	`tombs`	`Skiver : you can find also #gpe`
`15:36.05`	`M23`	`I'm trying to make an initrd image for my new kernel and i'm getting:`
`15:36.08`	`M23`	`/usr/sbin/mkinitrd: /lib/modules/2.6.13: Not a directory`
`15:36.08`	`M23`	`/usr/sbin/mkinitrd: MODULES needs to be set to none?`
`15:36.24`	`tehsux`	`after i get deb running on my blade`
`15:36.35`	`tehsux`	`im gonna try to get it to run on my router`
`15:36.35`	`M23`	`It didn't happen on first install so how can I fix it?`
`15:36.36`	`tehsux`	`haha`
`15:37.59`	`tehsux`	`if i do a apt-get dist-upgrade, will it update the kernel also?`
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`15:38.14`	`mtnman`	`sammythesnake: check out dictionary.com's first def for "doofus"`
`15:38.17`	`mtnman`	`doo�fus Audio pronunciation of "doofus" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (dfs)`
`15:38.18`	`mtnman`	`n. Slang pl. doo�fus�es`
`15:38.21`	`mtnman`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:38.21`	`asg`	`tehsux: only if a security fix for your current kernel exists`
`15:38.26`	`tehsux`	`hmm o`
`15:38.28`	`tehsux`	`ok`
`15:38.31`	`tehsux`	`:)`
`15:38.35`	`stew`	`tehsux: are you moving from sarge->etch?`
`15:39.09`	`tehsux`	`no`
`15:39.10`	`tehsux`	`i have sarge for sparc`
`15:39.10`	`asg`	`mtnman: I'm interested in where in the world 'doofus' isn't a derisive term`
`15:39.10`	`tehsux`	`but it uses kernel 2.4`
`15:39.18`	`tehsux`	`i guess 2.6 has not been ported`
`15:39.20`	`tehsux`	`or something`
`15:39.25`	`mtnman`	`ash: then ask sammythesnake who said he did not mean to be inflammatory when using that word.`
`15:39.33`	`M23`	`Ah got it........`
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`15:39.39`	`stew`	`tehsux: "apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6" would tell you`
`15:39.46`	`tehsux`	`yeah`
`15:39.52`	`mtnman`	`um, asg, nos ash`
`15:40.01`	`tehsux`	`thanks stew`
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`15:40.08`	`tehsux`	`i just installed the base system`
`15:40.12`	`tehsux`	`gotta do alot moer`
`15:40.18`	`tehsux`	`gotta do alot moer`
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`15:40.21`	`tehsux`	`damn`
`15:40.22`	`asg`	`mtnman: that was a rhetorical statement, I'm sure there isn't`
`15:40.38`	`mtnman`	`sammythesnake: we are trying to get you to not be inflammatory in the channel. you are the one who turned the conversation into a debate on entymology.`
`15:40.53`	`stew`	`ok, just drop it`
`15:40.56`	`stew`	`who cares`
`15:41.03`	`tehsux`	`mommy, they are using big words!!!`
`15:41.17`	`tzafrir_home`	`bah. I was trying to connect to the channel from a rescue knoppix disk, and got redirected. Any way to set the "username" when the client is xchat without disconnecting nad reconnecting?`
`15:41.21`	`SammyTheSnake`	`mtnman: Like I said, I didn't mean it to be inflamatory, I fail to see what is to be gained by further discussion`
`15:41.28`	`asg`	`tehsux: apt-get install dict ; dict <big word>`
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`15:41.46`	`mtnman`	`tzafrir_home: /nick foonick (or whatever)`
`15:41.53`	`tehsux`	`:P`
`15:42.05`	`tzafrir_home`	`mtnman, I did that, naturally. And no, it did not work`
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`15:42.26`	`mtnman`	`tzafrir_home: dunno, i don't use xchat.`
`15:42.42`	`tzafrir_home`	`I did register with my new nick, and was able to talk on e.g. #asterisk that requires registration`
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`15:44.20`	`tzafrir_home`	`Is there any simple way to move the beginning of a partition a bit?`
`15:44.45`	`joey_`	`hello, automounting in kde stopped working...can someone give me a hint to make it work back?`
`15:44.58`	`stew`	`joey_: ask #debian-kde`
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`15:45.13`	`joey_`	`stew> sorry, forgot`
`15:47.07`	`tzafrir_home`	`I had the extra space, so I created a partition on the same size way into the disk, copied content into it, and then created a partition in the new place.`
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`15:47.39`	`mne`	`hi there ! is there a way to mount/burn clonecd images with safedisc 4.6 under linux ?`
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`15:49.23`	`stew`	`joey_: no need to apologize...`
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`15:50.41`	`dli_`	`how to stop dhclient3, after I have set /etc/network/interfaces to static IP?`
`15:51.06`	`mne`	`dli_, just kill it`
`15:51.07`	`asg`	`dli_: find its pid and kill it`
`15:51.08`	`valdyn`	`mne: http://kiso.sourceforge.net/ maybe`
`15:51.15`	`mne`	`valdyn, thank you`
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`15:51.54`	`mtnman`	`dli_: killall dhclient`
`15:51.57`	`dli_`	`mne asg : I will just reboot :(`
`15:52.05`	`asg`	`dli_: no need, just kill the process`
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`15:52.26`	`dli_`	`asg: "pkill -9 dhclient3" :(`
`15:52.33`	`max`	`��`
`15:52.39`	`mtnman`	`dli_: killall dhclient`
`15:52.40`	`asg`	`dli_: is the actual process dhclient3? use ps to find out`
`15:52.41`	`tehsux`	`well thanks for all the help and all guys`
`15:52.42`	`tehsux`	`im off`
`15:52.49`	`max`	`��`
`15:52.55`	`phaedrus_`	`does kde have a gui for the thingy that stops processes from loading on boot?`
`15:52.57`	`phaedrus_`	`hey hey`
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`15:53.01`	`asg`	`max: knock it off`
`15:53.17`	`max`	`��!`
`15:53.26`	`jcarrasc_`	`ola`
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`15:53.58`	`max`	`�� ?`
`15:54.25`	`hugle`	`max, spokojno :)`
`15:54.49`	`max`	`=)`
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`15:54.55`	`max`	`ja tak...delat' ne4ego`
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`15:55.27`	`dli_`	`mne asg : oh, my fault, I forgot to "/etc/init.d/networking restart"`
`15:55.45`	`dli_`	`max what's the language?`
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`15:56.13`	`hugle`	`dli_, that's russian`
`15:56.20`	`max`	`yep`
`15:56.24`	`asg`	`dli_: ip block is german`
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`15:56.53`	`asg`	`!ru`
`15:56.53`	`dpkg`	`Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :)`
`15:57.15`	`noxfu`	`Did I miss the part where the installer for stable asked me to input network information, instead of just automatically using dhcp?`
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`15:58.00`	`max`	`hugle> ti otkuda?`
`15:58.17`	`stew`	`noxfu: aparantly, /msg dpkg man interfaces`
`15:58.30`	`dli_`	`noxfu: looks like detecting network detects dhcp only`
`15:58.42`	`stew`	`noxfu: wait, are you still in the installer?`
`15:58.46`	`noxfu`	`dli_: That's no good. How do I switch it to static?`
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`15:58.53`	`dli_`	`noxfu: skip it`
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`15:58.57`	`max`	`by hands =))`
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`15:59.09`	`dli_`	`noxfu: you get network after you login`
`15:59.09`	`noxfu`	`dli_: What do you mean skip it?`
`15:59.11`	`hugle`	`max, litva :)`
`15:59.19`	`noxfu`	`dli_: Yes, but I need to set it up for a static address.`
`15:59.29`	`asg`	`noxfu: when it asks you to detect the network, choose no then you can set a static address afterwards`
`15:59.33`	`max`	`hugle> jasna jasna ;)`
`15:59.35`	`dli_`	`noxfu: I understand. looks like a bug in sarge installer`
`15:59.49`	`noxfu`	`asg: It asked me which nic to use, and automatically set up dhcp.`
`15:59.50`	`stew`	`there is no such bug in the sarge installer`
`15:59.59`	`dli_`	`asg: oh :( I didn't realize that`
`16:00.02`	`asg`	`noxfu: never seen that with the sarge installer.`
`16:00.43`	`dli_`	`stew: it prompts "detect network", then, failed`
`16:01.24`	`noxfu`	`asg: I restarted the install to make sure that it wasn't a fluke. It happened again. I have two interfaces. I picked the first one, and it started setting up the network using dhcp.`
`16:01.33`	`dli_`	`stew: for dumb ones like me, I think they should add a choice of "static IP" after "detecting network failed"`
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`16:02.28`	`goccia`	`are you sureit recognise the nic ?`
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`16:03.02`	`noxfu`	`goccia: yep`
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`16:03.13`	`asg`	`noxfu: and this is the 3.1a installer and not some beta from April?`
`16:03.21`	`noxfu`	`asg: I downloaded the iso yesterday.`
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`16:04.08`	`noxfu`	`When I change /etc/network/interfaces, can I get rid of the dhcp-client package?`
`16:04.20`	`stew`	`dli_: as i remember your choices are "automatically detect" or "manually configure"`
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`16:04.56`	`noxfu`	`stew: I'll run through the installer again to make sure....`
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`16:05.33`	`stew`	`noxfu: if you are already finished, you can easily change this`
`16:05.41`	`chealer`	`asg, AFAIK sarge's d-i was released before April`
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`16:06.01`	`dli_`	`stew: but stupidity is unlimited, adding one more fallback would save me :(`
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`16:06.03`	`asg`	`chealer: yeah could be`
`16:06.04`	`noxfu`	`stew: I did download the network install iso...don't know if that has any bearing.`
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`16:08.45`	`stew`	`dli_: file a wishlist bug against the debian-installer virtual packages /msg dpkg reportbug`
`16:09.42`	`asg`	`noxfu: hmmm, based on the installer screenshots at osdir, if dhcp works, it doesn't give you the option. Try pulling the cat5 while it detects dhcp and see if it then gives you the option. Also, expert mode should give you that option also.`
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`16:10.05`	`noxfu`	`asg: I used linux26 at the boot prompt....looks like I should have used expert26.....`
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`16:10.22`	`asg`	`noxfu: or had dhcp fail`
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`16:10.59`	`JosephSpiros`	`what's the best way (in your opinions) to install a new, clean etch system?`
`16:11.13`	`JosephSpiros`	`I could use sarge installers but I'd rather not netinstall only to just upgrade half the system`
`16:11.17`	`rking`	`after a reboot, my x server won't start because of "No core pointer", and sure enough, /dev/input/mice is now giving "No such device". lsusb shows the mouse right there on bus 002 device 001, and now i'm clueless.`
`16:11.53`	`stew`	`rking: make sure you have the mousedev module loaded`
`16:11.55`	`PerfDave`	`JosephSpiros: The best way in my opinion is to install Sarge and not "upgrade" it to Etch ;)`
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`16:12.16`	`Anthro`	`rking: or usbmouse`
`16:12.16`	`JosephSpiros`	`PerfDave: I like to track testing :)`
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`16:12.26`	`stew`	`JosephSpiros: the best way is to install sarge and upgrade`
`16:12.30`	`PerfDave`	`JosephSpiros: Weirdo ;)`
`16:12.35`	`goccia`	`is testing tracking you :)`
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`16:12.44`	`JosephSpiros`	`goccia: no soviet russia jokes ;p`
`16:12.57`	`Anthro`	`JosephSpiros: Incidentally, a minimal sarge install doesn't have all that much to upgrade to etch.`
`16:13.07`	`JosephSpiros`	`Anthro: no? hrm`
`16:13.36`	`Anthro`	`JosephSpiros: Don't select any tasks and it will install the bare minimum.`
`16:13.49`	`JosephSpiros`	`Anthro: yeah, that's usually what I do anyway ;)`
`16:14.28`	`JosephSpiros`	`I'm just a bit scarred also over an upgrade from woody to sarge a year ago`
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`16:14.47`	`m4lu6`	`Wondering if someone can walk me through a non-traditional "minimal" installation?`
`16:14.52`	`tzafrir_home`	`I have created a /boot partition on the beginning of my disk, and now trying to convince grub to boot using it. (bios seem to have problem to access anything after 80MB!)`
`16:14.59`	`xoz`	`psychonate: have you loaded psmouse?`
`16:15.00`	`JosephSpiros`	`the woody installer had apparently thrown files that weren't packaged but should've been all over the place and it made me ocd`
`16:15.01`	`m4lu6`	`Situation: I've booted from the unstable netboot, over PXE; easy...`
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`16:15.10`	`m4lu6`	`partitioned & formatted my drive...`
`16:15.17`	`Anthro`	`JosephSpiros: Yeah, that'd be a bit scarring.`
`16:15.18`	`stew`	`unstable netboot?`
`16:15.28`	`stew`	`m4lu6: which "unstable netboot"?`
`16:15.31`	`tzafrir_home`	`I re-ran the postinst script of a kernel imag. This re-created grub's menu.lst with pathes relative to /boot rather than to /`
`16:15.35`	`m4lu6`	`but i'm wondering what I must do to get grub installed. getting a very, very vague error when i choose that option, Install Grub to Boot Sector`
`16:15.43`	`rking`	`awesome - yep, sudo modprobe usbmouse gave successful output, but didn't do it, then when i sudo modprobe mousedev, it said some yammerhaunt about "Using PS/2 for everything" (which is weird), and then X successfully started. thanks stew and Anthro! now i'm wondering why those modules didn't load up by default when i rebooted - at one point this was all working fine (i did do an etch upgrade recently)`
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`16:16.05`	`m4lu6`	`stew: the unstable netboot initrd`
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`16:16.17`	`m4lu6`	`it's buried in the installer ftp site, somewhere.`
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`16:16.25`	`stew`	`rking: do you run discover? you can "echo mousedev >> /etc/modules" to make sure it's loaded at boot`
`16:16.34`	`tzafrir_home`	`However now running 'grub-install /dev/hdb' fails: it complains it can't find /boot/grub/stage1 . /boot/grub/stage1 is there`
`16:16.35`	`Anthro`	`rking: I usually put crucial stuff like that in /etc/modules. Discover and/or hotplug sometimes manages it, but they are really annoying.`
`16:16.43`	`tzafrir_home`	`Any idea what causes that error?`
`16:16.57`	`stew`	`tzafrir_home: do you have a separate boot partition?`
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`16:17.00`	`JosephSpiros`	`Anthro: as such I am wary of installing to upgrade :)`
`16:17.08`	`m4lu6`	`regardless; the 'apt-install grub' fails with, basically, no useful information... wondering if i don't have the .udeb , or if i do, why it hasn't unpacked/installed.`
`16:17.09`	`tzafrir_home`	`stew: yes. Just created it`
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`16:17.24`	`tzafrir_home`	`(for this I needed to move the / partition)`
`16:17.28`	`rking`	`stew/Anthro: i don't run discover, just usbmgr`
`16:17.31`	`JosephSpiros`	`Anthro: also why I track testing, I figure the constant incremental upgrades are more easily handled when there is a problem than huge ones every release`
`16:17.52`	`stew`	`tzafrir_home: you need to pass --root-directory=/boot to grub-install ; you might wanna read /usr/share/doc/grub/`
`16:17.57`	`Anthro`	`JosephSpiros: Well, sarge is better about such things than woody, for one. Second, etch has not diverged from sarge nearly as much as sarge had from woody as of a year ago.`
`16:18.06`	`stew`	`tzafrir_home: your grub files will be in /boot/boot/grub not /boot/grub`
`16:18.15`	`rking`	`that's what it could be - maybe the new (as of dist-upgrade) usbmgr doesn't grok my usb mouse.`
`16:18.26`	`JosephSpiros`	`Anthro: ;)`
`16:18.31`	`JosephSpiros`	`Anthro: alright, I shall use sarge installer`
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`16:18.43`	`Anthro`	`JosephSpiros: Excellent. Good luck.`
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`16:19.06`	`xoz`	`it's better to include what you mean and mean what you include rather than relying on auto discovery.`
`16:19.12`	`JosephSpiros`	`on a side note, I remember, I think, using some sort of prerelease sarge installer cd (that fit on a 8cm disc) which allowed me to choose which to install, woody, sarge, or sid`
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`16:19.23`	`JosephSpiros`	`am I making this up or did it really exist?`
`16:19.27`	`JosephSpiros`	`it was rather neat :)`
`16:19.36`	`tzafrir_home`	`stew: thanks. This works. Now hopefully it will actually boot this time`
`16:19.51`	`SimonRaven`	`rking: you're going to have to edit that`
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`16:20.13`	`SimonRaven`	`unless you pipe it through awk or something`
`16:20.17`	`Anthro`	`JosephSpiros: Yeah, I think it did. I think it was largely to show the versatility of the new installer, which is rather modular. The released installer, however, does not offer that choice IIRC.`
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`16:20.54`	`JosephSpiros`	`Anthro: oh well :)`
`16:21.03`	`hackeron`	`how do I get hostname --short to return my hostname instead of 'localhost'?`
`16:21.04`	`rking`	`SimonRaven: i was just kidding, basically`
`16:21.15`	`asg`	`hackeron: /msg dpkg hostname`
`16:21.31`	`hackeron`	`asg: thanks`
`16:21.42`	`SimonRaven`	`rking: though techinically you could, using awk, and had a clue (general 'you')`
`16:21.53`	`SimonRaven`	`s/chi/ch/`
`16:22.55`	`m4lu6`	`stew: this is the netboot i am referring to: http://ftp.debian.org/dists/unstable/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/`
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`16:24.38`	`stew`	`m4lu6: what is the grub error you get?`
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`16:25.27`	`m4lu6`	`stew: that's the problem, None. I run the GUI based grub installer and get a basic message saying, "failed"... i run apt-install grub from the cli, and ... nothing, no feedback at all.`
`16:25.57`	`stew`	`m4lu6: are there errors on the alt-f3 or f2 consoles?`
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`16:26.25`	`kioto`	`hi`
`16:26.26`	`stew`	`m4lu6: what about running grub-install from the cli directly?`
`16:26.38`	`m4lu6`	`stew: i can see on tty1 the installtion logs, and it's basically echoing "info: calling 'apt-install grub' failed"`
`16:26.57`	`kioto`	`i have a question about a make menuconfig`
`16:27.09`	`resiak`	`!tell kioto -about ask`
`16:27.10`	`resiak`	`!tell kioto -about faq`
`16:27.18`	`m4lu6`	`stew: because grub is not installed. grub must be installed in order for me to run grub-install; i believe this "anna" udeb packagemanager is responsible for ... well, something. what exactly, i'm not sure.`
`16:27.26`	`thingfish`	`hehe that's what I was thinking too.`
`16:27.40`	`stew`	`m4lu6: ask #debian-boot`
`16:28.05`	`m4lu6`	`this "apt-install" app seems to be a very trimmed/slimmed down apt system; i believe (if reading correctly, online docs), it, in combination with "anna" uses these ".udeb" files`
`16:28.06`	`tzafrir_home`	`hmmm, chroot to /target before running stuff from the cli?`
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`16:28.11`	`m4lu6`	`stew: thanks. i'll try there.`
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`16:29.39`	`kioto`	`when i choose the option for the new kernel with make menuconfig`
`16:29.39`	`tzafrir_home`	`I don't believe you should be running grub-instal from a non-chrooted system. maybe a custom 'setup' command from the grub shell, though`
`16:29.50`	`stew`	`m4lu6: also check bugs.debian.org/debian-installer and lists.debian.org/debian-boot`
`16:29.54`	`adii`	`on flavio's ati page, it is said at section 4 that one has to "unpack modules sources", and given the command line : bzcat fglrx.tar.bz2 : but where does this file come from ?`
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`16:30.18`	`SimonRaven`	`read section 1,2 and 3`
`16:30.19`	`kioto`	`i don't to be able to set as built-in the driver for my ide chipset`
`16:30.22`	`stew`	`m4lu6: tzafrir_home has a point`
`16:30.43`	`adii`	`SimonRaven, guess , i've done them already`
`16:30.44`	`kioto`	`when i try to set this option i get a message that explain that this option`
`16:31.15`	`ism`	`I am currently running on 2.4.27 but I would like to upgrade to the latest stable kernel - I think 2.6.x are the latest ones. how can I do this?`
`16:31.27`	`kioto`	`depends from other option and i can set this features only with module`
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`16:31.42`	`lu5t`	`hello`
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`16:32.04`	`resiak`	`kioto: So set the features it depends on to be built-in. Why are you compiling your own kernel?`
`16:32.07`	`GloX`	`Which release do I need for an amd turion 64 cpu ? AMD64 or i386 ?`
`16:32.24`	`lu5t`	`Is there a way to verfiy what resolution I have Xorg running in?`
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`16:32.46`	`SimonRaven`	`adii: so you didn't fetch the tarball? heh`
`16:32.47`	`valdyn`	`GloX: whichever you prefer of those 2, i would recommend using i386 though`
`16:32.51`	`kioto`	`resiak, i want compile my first kernel`
`16:32.57`	`cahoot`	`lu5t: xdpyinfo`
`16:33.00`	`GloX`	`ok`
`16:33.03`	`GloX`	`thanks`
`16:33.12`	`adii`	`SimonRaven, that's it`
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`16:33.27`	`resiak`	`kioto: Okay. So read what the error message says, then figure out on what the feature depends, and build that in too. Have you read the appropriate bit of the Debian reference yet?`
`16:33.29`	`valdyn`	`GloX: oh and dont mix up amd64 with ia64, like so many seem to do`
`16:34.04`	`GloX`	`k :)`
`16:34.08`	`kioto`	`resiak, the message not is an error message but an advice about the state of it`
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`16:34.55`	`adii`	`valdyn, who are you speaking of ? :)`
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`16:35.02`	`resiak`	`kioto: Okay, you pedant. Read the "advice" message, figure out on what the feature depends, then build in those bits too`
`16:35.11`	`valdyn`	`adii: heh, plenty people`
`16:35.49`	`valdyn`	`!amd64`
`16:35.50`	`dpkg`	`[amd64] See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq`
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`16:36.38`	`valdyn`	`dpkg, amd64 is also: Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64`
`16:36.38`	`dpkg`	`...but amd64 is already something else...`
`16:36.52`	`valdyn`	`dpkg, amd64 is also, Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64`
`16:36.52`	`dpkg`	`...but amd64 is already something else...`
`16:36.56`	`valdyn`	`ffs`
`16:37.07`	`jake1932`	`join #exim`
`16:37.10`	`jake1932`	`oops`
`16:37.37`	`bbrazil`	`dpkg: amd64 is also Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64`
`16:37.37`	`dpkg`	`okay, bbrazil`
`16:37.40`	`lu5t`	`what can I use to lock the fluxbox screen in mid-session?`
`16:37.48`	`valdyn`	`bbrazil: thanks`
`16:37.50`	`bbrazil`	`lu5t: xlock`
`16:37.54`	`caphuso`	`no, users want to be able to tabcomplete freshly installed software without having to manually run "rehash"`
`16:37.57`	`caphuso`	`damn`
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`16:38.07`	`bbrazil`	`valdyn: the punctuation on also probably`
`16:38.14`	`valdyn`	`yea`
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`16:40.31`	`kioto`	`oki resiak`
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`16:40.57`	`resiak`	`[ caphuso: If you find a sane solution to that, let me know. :) ]`
`16:40.58`	`kioto`	`i have set like built-in all ide-ata ,atapi ecc`
`16:41.04`	`kioto`	`and now go`
`16:41.09`	`resiak`	`!tell kioto -about enter`
`16:41.19`	`caphuso`	`resiak: what shell?`
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`16:41.54`	`resiak`	`caphuso: zsh`
`16:41.57`	`kioto`	`sorry`
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`16:42.30`	`akire`	`jaja`
`16:42.34`	`caphuso`	`resiak: _force_rehash () { (( CURRENT=1 )) && rehash; return 1 }; zstyle ':completion:*' completer _whatever _force_rehash _whatever_else`
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`16:43.09`	`akire`	`wauuuuuuuuuuuuu`
`16:43.16`	`resiak`	`caphuso: ACE`
`16:43.29`	`akire`	`no t entiendoooooooo`
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`16:43.43`	`asg`	`akire: Speak English or Die`
`16:43.43`	`jake1932`	`anyone know if outgoing mail from exim can be sent to an exchange server rquiring SMTP authentication?`
`16:43.52`	`amphi`	`akire: #debian-es perhaps`
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`16:44.11`	`asg`	`jake1932: I'm sure that's been covered on the exim-user list`
`16:44.15`	`PerfDave`	`jake1932: Yes, it can.`
`16:44.28`	`PerfDave`	`jake1932: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, it will tell you what you need to do.`
`16:44.39`	`jake1932`	`PerfDave: fantastic - tnx!`
`16:44.50`	`resiak`	`jake1932: less/usr/share/doc/exim4/README.SMTP-AUTH`
`16:44.52`	`resiak`	`ack`
`16:44.56`	`resiak`	`jake1932: less /usr/share/doc/exim4/README.SMTP-AUTH`
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`16:45.11`	`kioto`	`ok i go to out of the net, byezz`
`16:45.16`	`jake1932`	`resiak: tnx also - i'll check that`
`16:46.30`	`madclicker`	`how do one extracts an .iso file to harddrive ?`
`16:46.45`	`pipeline`	`madclicker: an "iso" file is usually a raw image of a CD.`
`16:46.45`	`valdyn`	`!wayttd madclicker`
`16:46.47`	`dpkg`	`What Are You Trying To Do, madclicker?`
`16:46.51`	`pipeline`	`madclicker: It could contain almost anything.`
`16:46.56`	`webwolf_27`	`madclicker, why extract when you can mount`
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`16:47.04`	`alienbrain`	`what's the name of the group that should contain normal users ?`
`16:47.14`	`valdyn`	`alienbrain: none`
`16:47.29`	`valdyn`	`alienbrain: normal users are 'normally' only member of their own group`
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`16:47.49`	`madclicker`	`webwolf_27, how can i mount with the "loop" option`
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`16:48.06`	`alienbrain`	`valdyn, I see, thank you.`
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`16:48.48`	`webwolf_27`	`madclicker, mkdir /media/iso mount <path to iso> -o loop /media/iso`
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`16:50.23`	`madclicker`	`webwolf_27, thanks, you rock`
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`16:52.10`	`webwolf_27`	`madclicker, np`
`16:52.11`	`r3gii`	`my 3.1 debian with 2.4.27-686 kernel freez (crush) after i leave it alone, even without starting X Window`
`16:52.32`	`r3gii`	`how can I fix it?`
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`16:54.10`	`valdyn`	`r3gii: its impossible to tell what really is broken with the information you provided`
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`16:54.46`	`r3gii`	`valdyn: what should i tell u?`
`16:55.28`	`r3gii`	`valdyn: mdk was working ok`
`16:55.32`	`webwolf_27`	`are the any good tutorials out there on how to build .deb packages?`
`16:55.39`	`asg`	`webwolf_27: /msg dpkg nm guide`
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`16:56.00`	`webwolf_27`	`asg, thanks`
`16:56.08`	`valdyn`	`r3gii: you could use a different kernel, you could even use mandrakes kernel`
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`16:56.31`	`abrotman`	`!moo`
`16:56.31`	`dpkg`	`mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo.`
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`16:56.39`	`valdyn`	`!serial console`
`16:56.59`	`valdyn`	`r3gii: to debug however you might need a serial console..`
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`16:57.11`	`DAC1138`	`okay,i have yet another wifi problem...again`
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`16:57.49`	`DAC1138`	`my wifi card is detected in iwconfig, it sees the router essid, it has the encryption key, it sees the access point, detects channel 1 properly, but i cant get an ip address from it`
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`16:58.06`	`r3gii`	`valdyn: what is it?`
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`16:58.08`	`abrotman`	`mac filtering ?`
`16:58.16`	`valdyn`	`r3gii: try running 'tail -f /var/log/syslog' and see if your computer freezes and shows some info`
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`16:58.56`	`asg`	`DAC1138: did you set managed mode? (wireless_mode managed) Also, are you using open keying (wireless_key open <key>) in /etc/network/interfaces?`
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`16:59.40`	`DAC1138`	`asg, yeah, its on managed`
`17:00.04`	`DAC1138`	`thing is, it was working fine for the past week up until last night, when it just dropped out while i was sleeping`
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`17:00.30`	`EvilSporkMan`	`abrotman: I think those focus problems were hardware...my mouse and keyboard are plugged into my PS/2 ports via the USB->PS/2 adapters that came with them, so they're a bit wiggly at the back. I strongly suspect that the mouse and/or keyboard connection is/was bad.`
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`17:00.57`	`asg`	`DAC1138: try restarting your AP, it might have gone wonky`
`17:00.59`	`abrotman`	`EvilSporkMan: uh oh!`
`17:01.07`	`DAC1138`	`asg, what's the AP?`
`17:01.13`	`asg`	`DAC1138: access point`
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`17:01.22`	`DAC1138`	`ah, never heard that term for it`
`17:01.28`	`DAC1138`	`WAP would've been better`
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`17:01.46`	`DAC1138`	`okay, brb, let me restart it`
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`17:02.52`	`DonChullio`	`Hi here is a very good Browser Game !!!! http://www.street-conflicts.de.ki !!!!! It's about Gangster and ...... !!!!!!`
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`17:04.03`	`Haukr`	`hello folks`
`17:04.31`	`Haukr`	`im thinking about switching linux distros from suse to something`
`17:04.45`	`Haukr`	`i was jw what debian like is what makes it good what makes it bad that sorta thing`
`17:04.53`	`asg`	`Haukr: /msg dpkg why debian`
`17:05.05`	`EvilSporkMan`	`abrotman: well, on reflection, it just _had_ to be a hardware problem...no relevant software changed and it wasn't quite consistently reproducible`
`17:05.25`	`abrotman`	`EvilSporkMan: buy more hardware!`
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`17:05.42`	`Haukr`	`can somone talk to me about debian?`
`17:06.03`	`pearl`	`ask ur question, man`
`17:06.05`	`DAC1138`	`nope, WAP didnt go wonky, because i still cant get the interface up`
`17:06.07`	`valdyn`	`!msg`
`17:06.08`	`dpkg`	`(1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/).`
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`17:06.28`	`valdyn`	`Haukr: its best if you ask your question here`
`17:06.33`	`Rydekull`	`Err, is there any program to repair avi-files with? :/`
`17:06.43`	`Haukr`	`whats so good about debian whats bad should i switch to it from suse`
`17:06.44`	`muhoo`	`i looked through lmsensors docs and didn't see any way of turning the chassis or cpu fans OFF from software`
`17:06.52`	`asg`	`DAC1138: then start looking at the settings on the AP, perhaps something changed.`
`17:07.01`	`muhoo`	`i want to write or find a daemon that'll do that based on temp`
`17:07.04`	`valdyn`	`Haukr: you already did '/msg dpkg why debian' ?`
`17:07.12`	`Haukr`	`yeah nothing happened...`
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`17:07.15`	`goccia`	`Haukr: life, quality of life., improves ....`
`17:07.18`	`valdyn`	`!why debian`
`17:07.18`	`dpkg`	`http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/`
`17:07.24`	`valdyn`	`Haukr: ^^^`
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`17:07.59`	`myren`	`anyone have suggestions for testing a network connection between a windows and linux system?`
`17:08.05`	`asg`	`myren: ping`
`17:08.06`	`myren`	`i can hardly sustain a shoutcast connection. :/`
`17:08.14`	`valdyn`	`Haukr: no point asking us at all to compare suse with debian, being in this channel we obviously prefer it to suse`
`17:08.16`	`myren`	`i'm looking for thoroughput as well as packet loss`
`17:08.21`	`asg`	`myren: ftp`
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`17:08.41`	`abrotman`	`myren: ping ?`
`17:08.46`	`myren`	`i hardly consider ftp worthy of being used as a diagnostic tool. :/`
`17:08.54`	`asg`	`myren: for throughtput it is`
`17:09.04`	`abrotman`	`because shoutcast obviously is a fantastic diagnostic tool!`
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`17:09.36`	`Haukr`	`ok question when i installed suse my sound keyboard and mouse all worked without any work`
`17:09.39`	`Haukr`	`will it be the same?`
`17:09.49`	`asg`	`Haukr: maybe, maybe not. It depends on your hardware.`
`17:09.52`	`abrotman`	`maybe`
`17:09.58`	`valdyn`	`!8-ball`
`17:10.04`	`valdyn`	`!8 ball`
`17:10.04`	`goccia`	`abrotman: that's why i streamripp it all day long :)`
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`17:10.06`	`abrotman`	`!mhb`
`17:10.22`	`asg`	`Haukr: if it's some odd proprietary crap that Suse supports because they make deals that Debian can't, then no, Debian will not work out of the box.`
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`17:10.26`	`abrotman`	`valdyn: better?`
`17:10.40`	`valdyn`	`abrotman: yea`
`17:10.49`	`Haukr`	`asg theres no chance it will work?`
`17:10.50`	`abrotman`	`!blame valdyn`
`17:10.54`	`Haukr`	`like i need sound`
`17:11.05`	`DAC1138`	`asg, i just reset my router settings to the default factory, now its working. seems it did go "wonky"`
`17:11.07`	`asg`	`Haukr: oh, you can make it work most likely but if it's not supported, it won't work out of the box.`
`17:11.08`	`abrotman`	`Haukr: we cannot say .. we don't know what your hardware is .. why dont' you give us some details ?`
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`17:11.17`	`Haukr`	`how do i find out`
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`17:11.25`	`Haukr`	`its all dell shit so i dont know it came from dell or where ever`
`17:11.30`	`DAC1138`	`asg, thanks, looks like its working now`
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`17:11.35`	`asg`	`DAC1138: they do that. I had a netgear wireless router that would crash just because there was an XP box with a 3com card on the network.`
`17:11.35`	`Haukr`	`like my mom bought it from them so i dont know`
`17:11.51`	`asg`	`Haukr: odd dell or new dell`
`17:11.56`	`Haukr`	`new`
`17:11.56`	`asg`	`Haukr: s/odd/old/`
`17:12.05`	`abrotman`	`Haukr: you have 0 system specs?`
`17:12.12`	`Haukr`	`huh?`
`17:12.12`	`abrotman`	`Haukr: how about a service ID tag ?`
`17:12.13`	`DAC1138`	`asg, weird, ours ocassionally just throws machines off the network, and the only solution appears to be to just unplug the router and let it set for 5 minutes`
`17:12.34`	`Haukr`	`dont know it`
`17:12.37`	`abrotman`	`asg: yeah .. but who to blame .. netgear or 3com or XP ?`
`17:12.39`	`asg`	`DAC1138: yeah, glad it's working though`
`17:12.46`	`abrotman`	`Haukr: the serviceID tag would be on the side or back`
`17:12.50`	`patrick_`	`hello, does anyone have a little time to spare to help an ubuntu noob to overcome fakeroot error on creating .deb from .bin installing j2eesdk java`
`17:12.55`	`asg`	`abrotman: it was XP, the issue never happened with that card running linux or FreeBSD`
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`17:13.08`	`asg`	`patrick_: #ubuntu of course`
`17:13.12`	`Haukr`	`ok there is one`
`17:13.15`	`valdyn`	`patrick_: try #ubuntu and /msg dpkg smart questions`
`17:13.18`	`Haukr`	`what do you want off of it?`
`17:13.25`	`abrotman`	`Haukr: the number? :)`
`17:13.31`	`adii`	`hellp ! it's like 1 day ago i followed someone instruction and enthusiasticly typed "apt-get remove gdm pgm wdm ... " or something like that`
`17:13.40`	`abrotman`	`adii: and?`
`17:13.43`	`asg`	`patrick_: if they can't help, /msg dpkg java-package`
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`17:13.48`	`Haukr`	`x10-60264`
`17:13.49`	`adii`	`and now i want my gdm backk pllzz`
`17:13.54`	`Haukr`	`if im looking at the correct thing`
`17:13.55`	`abrotman`	`adii: apt-get install gdm`
`17:14.00`	`asg`	`adii: apt-get install gdm`
`17:14.02`	`adii`	`yea sounds obvious :p`
`17:14.12`	`webwolf_27`	`so just how hard is debian going to be for me to learn after using FC/CentOS for over a year`
`17:14.14`	`patrick_`	`thanks, asg`
`17:14.15`	`adii`	`but ain't there other stuff to install ?`
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`17:14.42`	`asg`	`webwolf_27: it isn't. There's plenty of documentation to which we will happily point you if we can't answer your question immediately in here.`
`17:14.45`	`valdyn`	`webwolf_27: /msg dpkg refcard, read it, /msg dpkg ig, read it`
`17:14.51`	`cureless`	`webwolf_27, easier that if you had learned VAX for a yerar.`
`17:14.56`	`Haukr`	`x10-60264`
`17:15.04`	`asg`	`cureless: you poor, poor person`
`17:15.09`	`abrotman`	`Haukr:`
`17:15.10`	`abrotman`	`Dimension XPS P75,90,100 MT ?`
`17:15.18`	`Haukr`	`uhh...`
`17:15.20`	`Haukr`	`maby?`
`17:15.25`	`webwolf_27`	`at least I'm away from win`
`17:15.25`	`fbi`	`i'm confused about which kernel i should run, do i want the linux-image-2.6.12-1-amd64-generic or the -amd64-k8? (cpu is an amd athlon 64 3800)`
`17:15.29`	`Haukr`	`i know it runs xp home erm`
`17:15.34`	`cureless`	`asg, actually I started by learning AIX, it wasn't that bad. VAX is a little old for me.`
`17:15.34`	`Haukr`	`has 512 ram`
`17:15.35`	`valdyn`	`fbi: k8`
`17:15.37`	`Haukr`	`80gig`
`17:15.46`	`fbi`	`valdyn: ok, but what is the k8 for?`
`17:15.51`	`asg`	`cureless: hehe`
`17:15.51`	`fbi`	`errr`
`17:15.55`	`fbi`	`generic`
`17:15.56`	`valdyn`	`fbi: athlon64`
`17:16.13`	`valdyn`	`fbi: generic means it works on any amd64 cpu`
`17:16.16`	`abrotman`	`Haukr: that's not it`
`17:16.28`	`Haukr`	`wtf`
`17:16.29`	`valdyn`	`fbi: since emt64 and amd64 have some small differences...`
`17:16.30`	`Haukr`	`im confused`
`17:16.34`	`abrotman`	`Haukr: go in the the Device Manager and tell us what video and sound and network cards you ahve`
`17:16.36`	`fbi`	`i see. thanks.`
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`17:16.51`	`leminhteo`	`hi all`
`17:16.54`	`Haukr`	`uhh ok i will try to find it`
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`17:17.03`	`valdyn`	`fbi: AMD released incomplete specs, so there's some small difference`
`17:17.38`	`fbi`	`alright, i'm going to grab the k8.`
`17:17.49`	`abrotman`	`valdyn: that's not AMDs fault .. that's Intel's fault .. Intel has full access to AMD documents`
`17:18.21`	`valdyn`	`abrotman: yea, i read that those AMD documents were not 100% complete, thats all`
`17:18.23`	`Haukr`	`carn model 82801EB/ER (Ich3/ICH5R) AC'97 audio controller`
`17:18.27`	`Haukr`	`card*`
`17:19.05`	`abrotman`	`valdyn: as per an agreement from the 90s .. Intel has full access to everything at AMD .. if intel botched em64t or whatever it is .. it's because they did it intentionally`
`17:19.15`	`abrotman`	`Haukr: pretty standard`
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`17:19.26`	`abrotman`	`Haukr: and video/network ?`
`17:19.27`	`iss`	`I'm running debian on a USparc with an sun keyboard and mouse connected to it.`
`17:19.35`	`valdyn`	`abrotman: oh maybe that, or maybe amd deviated from its own specs, who knows`
`17:19.40`	`iss`	`How do I have to configure the XFree86 to be able to use the sun-mouse?`
`17:19.43`	`Haukr`	`graphix card?`
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`17:20.20`	`abrotman`	`valdyn: no .. i'm pretty sure intel did it intentionally .. if you go back and read articles .. i believe the intel engineers thought they knew better`
`17:20.25`	`iss`	`Alternatively, i would be glad if someone could tell me where to find a list of /all/ supported mouse-protocols and drivers by XFree86.`
`17:20.34`	`valdyn`	`abrotman: oh, i see`
`17:20.44`	`Haukr`	`card: Inter 8655 G (i810)`
`17:20.50`	`Haukr`	`Intel`
`17:21.01`	`Haukr`	`865*`
`17:21.01`	`abrotman`	`valdyn: or left out an instruction intentionally .. i mean . i can't imagine some moron at tomshardware has better access to the specs than Intel :)`
`17:21.07`	`abrotman`	`ok`
`17:21.09`	`abrotman`	`and netowrk ?`
`17:21.13`	`Haukr`	`i dont know`
`17:21.16`	`Nick_Hill`	`iss try http://www.xfree86.org/`
`17:21.25`	`Haukr`	`net work card?`
`17:21.28`	`asg`	`abrotman: probably a broadcom`
`17:21.32`	`abrotman`	`!intel 865`
`17:21.32`	`dpkg`	`well, intel 865 is http://www.chzsoft.com.ar/855patch.html and http://www.iki.fi/karvinen/865patch_0.2-3_i386.deb`
`17:21.36`	`abrotman`	`just so that hek nows`
`17:21.51`	`abrotman`	`though .. that might only be for xfree`
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`17:22.02`	`Haukr`	`so will it work oob?`
`17:22.23`	`abrotman`	`dunno .. depends what dell did to fuck it up`
`17:22.31`	`Haukr`	`rofl`
`17:22.33`	`Haukr`	`well suse did`
`17:22.37`	`abrotman`	`mmm .. Dell is becoming the PB of personal computers`
`17:22.51`	`Nick_Hill`	`iss, or http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/mouse.html`
`17:23.02`	`iss`	`Nick_Hill: thx`
`17:23.04`	`abrotman`	`probably closer to 4.4.0`
`17:23.15`	`iss`	`Nick_Hill: sun mouse does not appear on that page...`
`17:23.26`	`adii`	`ok i've just installed fglrx following the instructions. and now my computer crashes at gdm startup`
`17:23.37`	`adii`	`actually i dunno if it crashes, it just displays black screen`
`17:23.39`	`stouse1`	`Hm, how can I tell what's keeping a mounted filesystem from being unmounted? I've tried fuser /media/IPOD, but it doesn't show anything.`
`17:23.49`	`Nick_Hill`	`iss, "The bus and PS/2 mouse are supported with the "OSMouse" protocol type."`
`17:23.55`	`asg`	`stouse1: did you run fuser as root?`
`17:24.03`	`stouset`	`Yup.`
`17:24.07`	`asg`	`stouset: try lsof also`
`17:24.11`	`abrotman`	`lsof and fuser!`
`17:24.21`	`stew`	`abrotman: PB?`
`17:24.25`	`Haukr`	`can somone give mne a link to the iso's im looking for em but cant find em`
`17:24.31`	`stouset`	`asg: nada`
`17:24.31`	`abrotman`	`stew: come on .. Packard Bell :)`
`17:24.35`	`valdyn`	`!sarge`
`17:24.35`	`dpkg`	`Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes`
`17:24.39`	`stew`	`ahh`
`17:24.40`	`abrotman`	`!d-i Haukr`
`17:24.41`	`dpkg`	`Haukr, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's.`
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`17:25.15`	`Haukr`	`13 disks?!?!?!?!?!`
`17:25.23`	`iss`	`OSMouse seems to be an unsopprted Protocol - can't start X`
`17:25.25`	`Haukr`	`14?!`
`17:25.32`	`asg`	`Haukr: either the 1st or the netinstall (provided your network card is supported)`
`17:25.32`	`stouset`	`asg: Any other suggestions?`
`17:25.47`	`asg`	`stouset: are you the only one logged on? if so, try cd /`
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`17:26.09`	`abrotman`	`!d-i Haukr`
`17:26.10`	`dpkg`	`Haukr, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's.`
`17:26.12`	`stouset`	`asg: Only one logged on. Not cd'd in the directory.`
`17:26.20`	`stouset`	`stephen@midas:~$ sudo fuser /dev/sda2; sudo lsof /dev/sda2`
`17:26.23`	`stouset`	`No output.`
`17:26.28`	`abrotman`	`Haukr: network card is what?`
`17:26.39`	`Haukr`	`i dont know`
`17:26.41`	`abrotman`	`stouset: i think you have to use the mount point`
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`17:26.46`	`abrotman`	`Haukr: look?`
`17:26.57`	`Haukr`	`ok`
`17:27.05`	`stouset`	`abrotman: Same output for both: nothing.`
`17:27.19`	`abrotman`	`stouset: who mounted it ?`
`17:27.30`	`tybalt89`	`Hi. My 'rdate' doesn't seem to actually change the time, even though it says it's -52 seconds off :(`
`17:27.49`	`asg`	`!ntp`
`17:27.50`	`dpkg`	`well, ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information.`
`17:27.52`	`stouset`	`abrotman: Me, thorough pmount/gnome-volume-manager`
`17:27.53`	`asg`	`tybalt89: ^^^`
`17:28.23`	`Peterken`	`Hello all, I have a question: I made some incremental backups ( tar with option --listed-incremental ), and that worked fine, but know i can't find on google or in the man page howto extract a backup (i mean with extracting the full backup + all incrementals) does anyone know howto do that ? Or do i just have to untar all tarballs to the same location?`
`17:28.25`	`goccia`	`stouset: are you running kde ?`
`17:28.31`	`stouset`	`goccia: GNOME`
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`17:28.40`	`Haukr`	`Dell 82562EZ 10/100 Ethernet Controller`
`17:28.40`	`Haukr`	`Configured with DHCP.`
`17:28.44`	`asg`	`Peterken: try info tar`
`17:28.46`	`abrotman`	`stouset: you know what .. are you running testing ?`
`17:28.48`	`adii`	`where should i put "CONFIG_MTRR=y" kernel config line ?`
`17:29.06`	`asg`	`Peterken: or install pinfo and use pinfo tar (if gnu tar makes you want to murder bunnies)`
`17:29.07`	`goccia`	`ok . so this time i wont' blame konqueror ...`
`17:29.21`	`asg`	`s/gnu tar/gnu info/`
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`17:29.32`	`abrotman`	`stouset: ?`
`17:29.37`	`iss`	`"BusMouse" solves the problem.`
`17:29.37`	`Haukr`	`Dell 82562EZ 10/100 Ethernet Controller`
`17:29.37`	`Haukr`	`Configured with DHCP.`
`17:29.38`	`stouset`	`abrotman: sid`
`17:29.39`	`deefzi`	`adii, the hardest thing in teach is to understand, what is so hard about in such simple calculations :)`
`17:29.49`	`savio_R`	`HiveDrone, I installed linux-image-2.6.12-386 but I can't use Gnome like a common user, only by root. Error message: /dev/null: allow denied. Any help? Thanks.`
`17:29.52`	`abrotman`	`stouset: well .. i can't unmount CDs in gnome currently in etch`
`17:29.58`	`abrotman`	`stouset: i have to go as root and do it`
`17:30.10`	`stouset`	`abrotman: sudo umount /media/IPOD failed, too. Device busy.`
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`17:30.19`	`adii`	`deefzi, wow you should not use metaphores since i don't really handle this language`
`17:30.22`	`asg`	`savio_R: ls -l /dev/null`
`17:30.24`	`stouset`	`Huh, weird. I killed bonobo, and it worked.`
`17:30.26`	`abrotman`	`stouset: you could just .. erm .. sync it and remove it :)`
`17:30.32`	`deefzi`	`adii, uh. i wasn't supposed to :p`
`17:30.34`	`abrotman`	`stouset: see! .. i blame famd!`
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`17:30.44`	`stouset`	`abrotman: And communism!`
`17:30.52`	`deefzi`	`adii, i mean i didn't mean that to be a metaphora`
`17:30.53`	`stouset`	`abrotman: I didn't realize anything still used bonobo.`
`17:30.57`	`stew`	`stouset: sounds like gnome-vfs`
`17:30.57`	`Haukr`	`i FOUND IT!`
`17:31.01`	`savio_R`	`asg, crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 2005-09-24 12:54 /dev/null`
`17:31.06`	`abrotman`	`stouset: no .. i'm serious :)`
`17:31.11`	`stouset`	`abrotman: Me too! :)`
`17:31.13`	`abrotman`	`Haukr: found what ?`
`17:31.15`	`adii`	`deefzi, i thought you were trying to answer the question i stated by refeering to math`
`17:31.16`	`adii`	`:)`
`17:31.16`	`Nick_Hill`	`iss, Any sucess with mouse on sparcstation?`
`17:31.18`	`Haukr`	`Dell 82562EZ 10/100 Ethernet Controller`
`17:31.18`	`Haukr`	`Configured with DHCP.`
`17:31.20`	`asg`	`savio_R: looks fine`
`17:31.29`	`abrotman`	`Haukr: seems to be a standard-ish intel network card`
`17:31.37`	`stouset`	`abrotman: Yeah, was probably famd though. Used to have problems with it and unmounting, then never had them again. Guess someone forgot to run the unit tests :)`
`17:31.39`	`adii`	`now that i took my prob out, your sentence is quite clear yea`
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`17:31.45`	`adii`	`"why don't they understand, that's obvious !!! "`
`17:31.47`	`jan_`	`Hi, i have this weird thing, i did a cfdisk /Dev/hda , and created a hda7 slice (Logical) , type: Linux, so i write the changes to the partition table and then i try to create a filesystem on /dev/hda7 , but no such device, and now i'm really confused :-)`
`17:31.52`	`abrotman`	`stouset: gnome devs ... never!`
`17:31.54`	`adii`	`-> where should i put "CONFIG_MTRR=y" kernel config line ?`
`17:32.04`	`stouset`	`In other news, hymn never is able to find my ipod keys :\`
`17:32.04`	`abrotman`	`why are you making your own kernel?`
`17:32.09`	`Peterken`	`tnx all for the information`
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`17:32.13`	`deefzi`	`adii, i mean i had my second and the last day as a substitute. i was having troubles to "explain" things to students, since i can't really imagine what could be so hard in those math probs, that i find easy.`
`17:32.23`	`savio_R`	`asg, It's fine. I can user by root... I can't use by a common user.`
`17:32.36`	`adii`	`deefzi, what was the subject ?`
`17:32.36`	`mirak`	`hi`
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`17:32.46`	`deefzi`	`adii, math?`
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`17:32.58`	`adii`	`deefzi, i mean : the exercise`
`17:33.06`	`stouset`	`deefzi: There's a radio show where I live--Clark Howard. People call in for financial advice, and I am constantly surprised at how none of them seem capable of even the smallest amounts of math.`
`17:33.07`	`adii`	`so i can see if it is "difficult" or not (if i understand it)`
`17:33.23`	`Haukr`	`Does this cost ANY money?`
`17:33.24`	`asg`	`savio_R: maybe some gnome issue perhaps (try #gnome on irc.gnome.org)`
`17:33.30`	`deefzi`	`stouset, yeah. same here :-)`
`17:33.33`	`adii`	`stouset, lol that's much of calculus and no math is it ?`
`17:33.34`	`asg`	`Haukr: does what cost any money?`
`17:33.38`	`Haukr`	`debian`
`17:33.38`	`abrotman`	`Haukr: no .. Debian is free .. donate if you like :)`
`17:33.39`	`mirak`	`is there a way to have a script executed between the moment an unmount command is run and the moment it's effectively unmounted ?`
`17:33.43`	`asg`	`Haukr: no`
`17:33.46`	`mirak`	`be`
`17:33.48`	`stouset`	`deefzi: One woman called in and asked if she should refinance her mortgage. The new plan would save her $80 a month (she was trying to lower her monthly bills) but cost $8,000 in closing costs. And she only planned to live there for ~3 years.`
`17:33.50`	`Haukr`	`abrotman: if i like it i jsut might`
`17:33.56`	`abrotman`	`Haukr: yay`
`17:34.03`	`sgomes`	`does anyone know if the default 2.6.8-1 kernel has routing support (for ipv6) ?`
`17:34.04`	`Haukr`	`what wm's can it use?`
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`17:34.14`	`stouset`	`deefzi: And she honest to god had to have someone else do the math to figure out whether or not it was a good investment.`
`17:34.16`	`abrotman`	`stouset: and? :)`
`17:34.24`	`mirak`	`I want that when I unmount my DAP from gnome mounting applet, it runs a script that scans my DAP`
`17:34.25`	`asg`	`Haukr: any that exist; debian has more packages than any other distro`
`17:34.33`	`muhoo`	`so, is there any way to turn a fan OFF using i2c/lmsensors?`
`17:34.34`	`deefzi`	`adii, i had 3 courses today. logic & number theory, differential calculus and the starting course (equations)`
`17:34.36`	`asg`	`Haukr: and if we don't have a package, you can always compile from source`
`17:34.37`	`Haukr`	`so it can run fluxbox and enlightenment?`
`17:34.40`	`asg`	`Haukr: yes`
`17:34.42`	`abrotman`	`yes`
`17:34.44`	`Haukr`	`woot`
`17:34.49`	`Haukr`	`and hopfult gnome`
`17:34.50`	`Haukr`	`:D`
`17:34.50`	`abrotman`	`what .. no w00t ?`
`17:34.56`	`Haukr`	`fine`
`17:34.58`	`Haukr`	`w00t`
`17:35.00`	`muhoo`	`both chassis fan and cpu fan plug into the mobo, i have to believe there is some facility on the north/southbridge chip to turn it on/off`
`17:35.13`	`adii`	`logic like [ A => (B => C) ] <=> [ C => (B => A) ] ?`
`17:35.20`	`abrotman`	`muhoo: if acpi supports it .. some even support slowing it down`
`17:35.33`	`abrotman`	`adii: true`
`17:35.50`	`deefzi`	`adii, there was a group of two equations containing 2 variables and i had to spent ~15 minutes to show had that is to be solved.`
`17:36.34`	`stouset`	`ACPI.`
`17:36.44`	`abrotman`	`acpi!`
`17:36.54`	`adii`	`deefzi, wow`
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`17:37.06`	`stouset`	`deefzi: Wait until they get into linear algebra, trying to solve 7 equations at once by inverting matrices :)`
`17:37.14`	`adii`	`deefzi, i suppose they don't have "methodes" (is that a correct word ?)`
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`17:37.25`	`muhoo`	`aiiee!`
`17:37.26`	`adii`	`stouset, hey that's what i'm currently doing :p`
`17:37.32`	`Haukr`	`fuck`
`17:37.36`	`Haukr`	`i clicked open not dl`
`17:37.37`	`deefzi`	`stouset, i'm studying at the university atm, and we haven't gotten there yet :-)`
`17:37.40`	`Haukr`	`now i have to do it again`
`17:37.40`	`XTF`	`Hi. Is it possible to drop packets from a big list (like 10k address ranges) with iptables? I only saw commands to ban single ranges.`
`17:37.43`	`adii`	`kramer's matrices`
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`17:37.59`	`stouset`	`adii: Took that last year. In "Computational Linear Algebra" now, which is basically "Whee, let's do everything in MATLAB this time!"`
`17:38.07`	`adii`	`lol`
`17:38.23`	`deefzi`	`adii, yeah. but today i was teaching about induction and number systems. (binary, octal, hexdecimal)`
`17:38.29`	`muhoo`	`ok, hmm, what's this FDDP, LPTP, URP1 URP2?`
`17:38.37`	`valdyn`	`XTF: im not aware of any limits to iptables rule tables..`
`17:38.38`	`stouset`	`Which is actually kind of nice. I only show up to class to turn in the projects, which are usually 10 or so tasks, each easily done in under ten lines of MATLAB if you know what you're doing.`
`17:38.55`	`valdyn`	`XTF: im not aware of any size limits to iptables rule tables..`
`17:38.56`	`stouset`	`Of course, most of the people in the class don't, which means they need about a hundred lines per assignment.`
`17:39.03`	`stouset`	`er, per exercise.`
`17:39.14`	`adii`	`deefzi, so you were "translating" : 10010101 to 141429 to E21B or smth ?`
`17:39.29`	`deefzi`	`adii, when i started to talk about how different number systems are used in computers, the class room (and especially girls) went like this: �_�. they must've thought: geez, what a geek.`
`17:39.38`	`muhoo`	`alas, /proc/acpi/fan is empty, and the fan acpi module is loaded, so, no dice.`
`17:39.39`	`muhoo`	`oh well.`
`17:39.40`	`stouset`	`deefzi: Induction was probably my favorite part of my math major.`
`17:39.45`	`adii`	`deefzi, lol`
`17:39.55`	`adii`	`what's that "induction" ?`
`17:39.59`	`adii`	`i don't have it clearly`
`17:40.07`	`abrotman`	`deefzi: are you teaching 3rd grade?`
`17:40.08`	`XTF`	`valdyn: Should I create one rule/address range (and have 10k rules)?`
`17:40.13`	`deefzi`	`adii, n=k+1 :p`
`17:40.21`	`deefzi`	`adii, the eleventh axiom`
`17:40.28`	`adii`	`oh ok`
`17:40.35`	`stouset`	`adii: Say you want to prove that something holds true for integers 0..infty. Prove for n = 0, prove that if true for n, true for n+1.`
`17:40.35`	`adii`	`we call it " r�currence " i think`
`17:40.43`	`adii`	`yeahh ok that's it`
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`17:40.47`	`stouset`	`adii: :)`
`17:40.49`	`deefzi`	`abrotman, upper secondary school. that's gymnasium, if you're more familiar with that.`
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`17:40.51`	`muhoo`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:40.55`	`Haukr`	`moop`
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`17:40.57`	`adii`	`:)`
`17:40.58`	`Haukr`	`XD`
`17:41.04`	`savio_R`	`asg, It's not a Gnome problem. In /etc/X11/Xsession there is a line that want to write to /dev/null: if [ -n "$DISPLAY" ] && which xmessage > /dev/null 2>&1; then`
`17:41.10`	`deefzi`	`muhoo, i'd better join #food :p`
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`17:41.14`	`abrotman`	`deefzi: high school :)`
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`17:41.19`	`stouset`	`muhoo: /join #acpi`
`17:41.26`	`deefzi`	`abrotman, also that :-)`
`17:41.36`	`abrotman`	`deefzi: i was just wondering .. since my school district taught alternate number systems in .. like 6th grade? :)`
`17:41.38`	`stouset`	`deefzi: You teach induction in high school!?!`
`17:41.43`	`cell`	`does anyone know of a way to show max memory usage of a process? something analogous to the 'time' command, but for memory...`
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`17:42.16`	`asg`	`savio_R: yes but the perms on /dev/null don't prevent any user from writing to it. Maybe check /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config`
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`17:42.21`	`sarathms`	`can i install debian on my XDA 2 Mini?`
`17:42.25`	`stouset`	`deefzi: Christ, that was a junior level college course for me. Of course, they taught us about data structures (trees/queues/et al) in an AP high school course, and that was also a junior level college course...`
`17:42.32`	`olczyk`	`In the 2.6 kernel how do you speify kernel commandline options and module commandline options?`
`17:42.34`	`abrotman`	`sarathms: on your what ?`
`17:42.42`	`asg`	`savio_R: another good way to check is to simply see if 'echo foo >/dev/null' gives you an error`
`17:42.44`	`stouset`	`olczyk: In the boot loader.`
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`17:42.52`	`sarathms`	`abrotman: uh its a handheld ,,, PDA`
`17:43.06`	`abrotman`	`sarathms: do you know .. which "video card" it has ?`
`17:43.34`	`abrotman`	`if it's proprietary . even VESA may not work`
`17:43.42`	`asg`	`sarathms: try 'handhelds.org' it may be mentioned there.`
`17:43.43`	`olczyk`	`module options?`
`17:43.47`	`sarathms`	`abrotman: i need to check out`
`17:44.01`	`adii`	`deefzi, what will you do after you are no more substitute ?`
`17:44.03`	`XXX6`	`Does anyone know where I could find help for Moodle aplication?`
`17:44.09`	`stouset`	`olczyk: man modprobe/modinfo`
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`17:44.29`	`stouset`	`Apparently not in #moodle :)`
`17:44.32`	`stouset`	`Check their website.`
`17:44.34`	`asg`	`XXX6: moodle.org has good forums`
`17:45.10`	`asg`	`XXX6: and it runs just great on sarge and did on woody too`
`17:45.13`	`Haukr`	`is debain hard to use?`
`17:45.19`	`Haukr`	`like im used to suse and having yast to help`
`17:45.22`	`stouset`	`Haukr: Loaded question.`
`17:45.24`	`Haukr`	`does debian have something`
`17:45.33`	`abrotman`	`Haukr: to help you do what ?`
`17:45.39`	`azeem`	`Haukr: you could help porting Yast to Debian`
`17:45.40`	`ke6isf`	`Haukr: No, it's easy to use, and yes, in fact it has many things.`
`17:45.41`	`Haukr`	`find progs update install add`
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`17:45.53`	`abrotman`	`very easy for that`
`17:45.56`	`azeem`	`Haukr: use synaptic for that`
`17:46.00`	`adii`	`i've installed flavio's fglrx driver successfully but when i start gdm , i get black screen, what can i do ??`
`17:46.00`	`stouset`	`Haukr: aptitude/synaptic`
`17:46.06`	`Haukr`	`does it come with a irc client?`
`17:46.10`	`XXX6`	`Thanks!`
`17:46.11`	`savio_R`	`asg, In Xwrapper there is two lines: allowed_users=console nice_value=0. What does its mean?`
`17:46.14`	`azeem`	`Haukr: it has 15000 packages`
`17:46.15`	`asg`	`Haukr: many`
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`17:46.22`	`Haukr`	`hooly fuck`
`17:46.23`	`azeem`	`Haukr: there are a couple irc clients among them`
`17:46.30`	`ke6isf`	`Haukr: Which IRC client do you want to use? If you name it, it probably is there.`
`17:46.30`	`asg`	`savio_R: the comments above tell you what they do`
`17:46.36`	`Haukr`	`Konversation`
`17:46.38`	`mfrisch`	`mirc`
`17:46.41`	`tybalt89`	`ntpdate -d pool.ntp.org -> Server dropped: no data is this a firewall problem?`
`17:46.49`	`Haukr`	`yeah or mirc`
`17:47.01`	`azeem`	`Haukr: packages.debian.org is a nice tool to search for packages`
`17:47.05`	`ke6isf`	`!info konversation`
`17:47.12`	`asg`	`savio_R: before we go any further though, does this problem occur with a standard debian kernel?`
`17:47.16`	`dpkg`	`konversation: (user friendly Internet Relay Chat (IRC) client for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 0.18-3 (sid), Packaged size: 4667 kB, Installed size: 9548 kB`
`17:47.26`	`ke6isf`	`Haukr: Looks like it's there.`
`17:48.01`	`Haukr`	`!info mirc`
`17:48.11`	`Haukr`	`dont exist`
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`17:48.16`	`cmdKeen`	`adii: do you get X server error message after it or it just hangs ?`
`17:48.37`	`asg`	`Haukr: it's a windows program; try x-chat as a reasonable alternative`
`17:49.03`	`stouset`	`Haukr: mirc isn't written for Linux.`
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`17:49.43`	`adii`	`cmdKeen, no it seems to be errorless`
`17:49.46`	`stew`	`Haukr: mirc is not free`
`17:50.00`	`stew`	`Haukr: and its windows only`
`17:50.05`	`Haukr`	`mmm ok`
`17:50.13`	`savio_R`	`asg, No. I using 2.6.8-1-386 without problem.`
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`17:50.32`	`asg`	`savio_R: but now you are using 2.6.13* and there are errors?`
`17:50.35`	`cmdKeen`	`adii: bah, it worked for me after while of playing, never seen that...`
`17:50.54`	`adii`	`cmdKeen, you lucky. i'd add that it is on a laptop`
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`17:51.13`	`cureless`	`Haukr, but you might be able to run mirc on wine if you're so inclined (The author of this line does not agree with this practice)`
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`17:51.27`	`savio_R`	`asg, I can't user 2.6.13 with X server. I am using 2.6.8-1-386 now.`
`17:51.29`	`Haukr`	`ok`
`17:51.32`	`Haukr`	`Question`
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`17:51.38`	`Haukr`	`The iso wont fit on 1 disk`
`17:51.40`	`Haukr`	`what do i do`
`17:52.07`	`adii`	`i've removed "gdm" with what dpkg said when asked "nodm", and reinstalled it with "apt-get install gdm", now i have no mouse, and i can't log in , what should i do`
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`17:52.19`	`cureless`	`Haukr, what iso? what disk? what are you trying to do? and stop hitting enter after every couple of words.`
`17:52.24`	`asg`	`savio_R: maybe some udev issues then but I'm not sure.`
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`17:52.27`	`Haukr`	`roar`
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`17:52.40`	`Haukr`	`The netinst iso thing and to a blank disk`
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`17:52.56`	`goccia`	`adii: check /etc/modules for psmouse`
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`17:53.31`	`cureless`	`Haukr, what size is the netinst iso you have? what size is the disk?`
`17:53.32`	`adii`	`goccia, it is in`
`17:53.38`	`stew`	`Haukr: the netinst iso is only 110 mb it should definately fit on a cdrom`
`17:53.50`	`Haukr`	`thats odd`
`17:53.52`	`Haukr`	`it should`
`17:53.56`	`Haukr`	`but it gives me a error`
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`17:54.31`	`asg`	`abrotman: heh`
`17:54.32`	`Haukr`	`nope`
`17:54.35`	`Haukr`	`it has 700mb`
`17:54.37`	`Haukr`	`so its big enough`
`17:54.42`	`Haukr`	`i just cant see what the error is`
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`17:54.51`	`cureless`	`it's not blank.`
`17:54.51`	`Haukr`	`thast better`
`17:55.15`	`Haukr`	`i had it in the wrong drive fuck am i out of it`
`17:55.16`	`savio_R`	`asg, That's probaly. UDEV is not work fine, does it? How can I learn about udev?`
`17:55.28`	`abrotman`	`!udev`
`17:55.28`	`dpkg`	`hmm... udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit, or <stew> anymous: its not a trojan, its udev`
`17:55.30`	`abrotman`	`read!`
`17:55.44`	`asg`	`stew's quote is the best`
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`17:56.12`	`stouset`	`udev is the solution to all problems since the advent of Christianity.`
`17:56.32`	`stew`	`heh, iirc its was someone how said, "i found this /dev/.static/ directory, i think i have a trojan`
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`17:56.38`	`stew`	`^how^who`
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`17:56.46`	`abrotman`	`!qotd0`
`17:56.46`	`dpkg`	`<nvz> Pretty much lost interest in school after the 3rd of 4th year when I seen that they couldnt teach me anything anymore, and I began my own quest of knowlage`
`17:56.49`	`asg`	`stew: :)`
`17:56.54`	`Haukr`	`is it hard to install?`
`17:56.59`	`Haukr`	`or could i do it now n shit`
`17:57.09`	`abrotman`	`english`
`17:57.24`	`Haukr`	`how long does it take ot get the install running without you needing to be there`
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`17:58.26`	`stew`	`Haukr: depends on the speed of your internet connection`
`17:58.27`	`lxIT`	`Hello... I'm looking for the command to see all users and groups`
`17:58.32`	`Haukr`	`heh`
`17:58.36`	`lxIT`	`don't see it in the debian reference`
`17:58.42`	`Haukr`	`ok well ima go take a look at it`
`17:58.45`	`stew`	`lxIT: getent passwd ; getent group`
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`18:01.30`	`savio_R`	`stouset, Did play attention to my words with asg? I have trouble with kernel 2.6.12-386. Only root can use Gnome because only root can write to /dev/null. Any help?`
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`18:02.13`	`stew`	`savio_R: can you run "echo > /dev/null" as user?`
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`18:03.20`	`Tuttle_`	`hi, is somebody experienced in VLANs here? I use vconfig to setup eth1.1, eth1.2, etc. ... but the original eth1 still has to HAVE an IP address. Is it true and what is the reason? I'm connection the NIC to tagging switch port.`
`18:03.22`	`tybalt89`	`any way to run rdate? ntpdate -u pool.ntp.org gives me "no server suitable for synch..."`
`18:03.36`	`stouset`	`savio_R: That is pretty messed up.`
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`18:03.51`	`asg`	`tybalt89: after installing ntpdate, does /etc/init.d/ntpdate start fix things?`
`18:03.59`	`nullvoid`	`hi all`
`18:04.01`	`goccia`	`savio_R: ls -al /dev/null >> crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 2005-10-25 08:52 /dev/nul is ok for you ?`
`18:04.07`	`tybalt89`	`asgL trying...`
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`18:04.39`	`savio_R`	`stew, now I am using kernel 2.6.8. To know that I need to reboot the machine. But I think that I can't because login gives this error: bash: /dev/null allow denied.`
`18:04.53`	`ohad_`	`how do remove/kick my old nick? /msg nickserv what?`
`18:05.03`	`asg`	`tybalt89: if not, make sure /etc/default/ntpdate is configured correctly.`
`18:05.06`	`asg`	`ohad_: ghost`
`18:05.08`	`tybalt89`	`asg: no - same error`
`18:05.08`	`abrotman`	`ohad_: /msg nickserv help`
`18:05.12`	`Ronin`	`ohad_: msg nickserv help`
`18:05.18`	`savio_R`	`goccia, is ok for me...`
`18:05.19`	`nullvoid`	`I had done a procmail filter to push a spam to .Trash folder in their mailfolder, but the problem is that, the owner of this file is root, how can I get the ownership goes back to the original user?`
`18:05.26`	`stew`	`savio_R: "allow denied" is a new one for me`
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`18:05.34`	`asg`	`tybalt89: then a firewall may be the issue as you originally surmised.`
`18:05.55`	`stew`	`savio_R: what version of debian?`
`18:06.00`	`stew`	`savio_R: do you run udev?`
`18:06.15`	`tybalt89`	`asg: /etc/default/ntpdate looks OK`
`18:06.17`	`savio_R`	`stew, I translated pt_BR to english could be permission denied?`
`18:06.18`	`MrBallZ`	`sup sup, any recomendations on a ftp gui program, kinda filezilla .... and also , any pointers on making a canon sd200 camera work in kde ...`
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`18:06.31`	`tybalt89`	`asg: what port does ntpdate use ?`
`18:06.40`	`stew`	`savio_R: oh, could be`
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`18:06.44`	`savio_R`	`stew, unstable with 2.6.6 kernel.`
`18:06.49`	`asg`	`tybalt89: tcp/udp 123`
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`18:06.56`	`stew`	`savio_R: you must not run udev then`
`18:07.23`	`tybalt89`	`asg: should be only an outgoing connection though, right?`
`18:07.34`	`savio_R`	`stew, how can I do it?`
`18:07.37`	`asg`	`tybalt89: should be, yes`
`18:07.49`	`marcel__`	`where can I find linux-source-2.6.13_2.6.13.orig.tar.gz ?`
`18:08.22`	`stew`	`savio_R: you can't until you get a kernel >= 2.6.12 working, but thats ok, you don't want udev`
`18:08.37`	`nullvoid`	`marcel__: kernel.org`
`18:08.37`	`azeem`	`marcel__: packages.debian.org/linux-source-2.6.13`
`18:08.42`	`asg`	`tybalt89: iirc, you said you were 52 minutes off or so. Try setting the date manually to something closer to correct time and see if ntpdate works.`
`18:08.55`	`asg`	`s/date/time/`
`18:09.01`	`marcel__`	`there is a debian patch package against 2.6.13, but no source for it?`
`18:09.05`	`marcel__`	`this is on unstable`
`18:09.14`	`stew`	`marcel__: 2.6.13 isn't in unstable`
`18:09.17`	`azeem`	`marcel__: did you check the link?`
`18:09.32`	`marcel__`	`linux-patch-debian-2.6.13 is`
`18:09.45`	`marcel__`	`and linux-image-2.6.13-1-686-smp`
`18:09.47`	`marcel__`	`but no source`
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`18:10.02`	`asg`	`!info linux-image-2.6.13-1-686-smp sid`
`18:10.04`	`winmutt`	`is there anyway to tell if a NIC is onboard (mobo) or a plug in card (pci isa whatever) without having the box in front of you?`
`18:10.08`	`stew`	`marcel__: linux-patch-debian-2.6.13 is not in unstable`
`18:10.13`	`tybalt89`	`asg: sorry, it was 52 seconds, and I did set the date manually, and ntpdate still fails`
`18:10.15`	`asg`	`14:10 <dpkg> Package 'linux-image-2.6.13-1-686-smp' does not exist.`
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`18:10.22`	`marcel__`	`stew, it seems to be in my system`
`18:10.32`	`savio_R`	`stew, I want to run 2.6.13 but I haven't success because Gnome only run by root.`
`18:10.32`	`stouset`	`marcel__: Do you have experimental in your sources.list?`
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`18:10.37`	`stew`	`marcel__: you use experimental sources or non-debian sources`
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`18:10.42`	`iss`	`I got some problems after updating from kernel-image-2.4.27-2-sparc64 to linux-image-2.6.12-1-sparc64. Keyboard-map seems to be changed - unusable right now and gdm (X) can't start anymore.`
`18:10.43`	`asg`	`tybalt89: then it is being blocked somewhere.`
`18:10.46`	`iss`	`How can I fix that?`
`18:10.46`	`stouset`	`savio_R: Just install 2.6.12 and udev :P`
`18:10.48`	`marcel__`	`i used to have experimental in it, but i removed it`
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`18:10.59`	`stew`	`stouset: why udev?`
`18:11.00`	`stouset`	`marcel__: apt-get update`
`18:11.04`	`azeem`	`marcel__: well, ftp.debian.org is authorative`
`18:11.12`	`stouset`	`stew: Because it works :\`
`18:11.31`	`stew`	`stouset: at least say 2.6.12 then reboot then udev`
`18:11.36`	`asg`	`stouset: for only about 5% of people in #debian given the number of complaints ;)`
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`18:11.48`	`marcel__`	`yes, i did update`
`18:12.05`	`stouset`	`asg: Well, seeing as most of the people we get here have problems by their very nature...`
`18:12.13`	`jades`	`how do i start the ftpd process from the gnome menu?`
`18:12.18`	`marcel__`	`i am running kernel 2.6.13.4 now, just wanted to try the kernel patches`
`18:12.20`	`asg`	`stouset: nod`
`18:12.31`	`savio_R`	`stouset, udev is installed: ii udev 0.071-1`
`18:12.32`	`stew`	`savio_R: have you checked the bts yet?`
`18:12.40`	`azeem`	`marcel__: well, you now know where they are`
`18:12.40`	`cureless`	`jades, you want to start the daemon? why not use the command line?`
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`18:12.48`	`savio_R`	`stew, no...`
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`18:12.50`	`stew`	`savio_R: uhh? and you are running what kernel? 2.6.6?`
`18:12.59`	`jades`	`cureless, because thought there would be a menu option to activate it for me.`
`18:13.08`	`stew`	`savio_R: udev > .6 requires a 2.6.12+ kernel`
`18:13.13`	`marcel__`	`azeem, experimental`
`18:13.20`	`stouset`	`savio_R: Well that is probably your problem. You NEED a 2.6.12+ kernel for udev > .60`
`18:13.35`	`cureless`	`jades: /etc/init.d/ftpd start (or whatever the ftp daemon is)`
`18:13.41`	`stew`	`stouset: except that he has the problem with the 2.6.13 kenrel and NOT hte 2.6.6 kernel`
`18:13.48`	`savio_R`	`stew, I am using 2.6.8`
`18:13.53`	`stouset`	`stew: Hm.`
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`18:14.13`	`stew`	`savio_R: were you at some point running 2.6.12?`
`18:14.24`	`stouset`	`stew: Is .13 even packaged by Debian?`
`18:14.29`	`stew`	`stouset: experimental only`
`18:14.46`	`stouset`	`stew: So, something doesn't work in experimental? Go figure.`
`18:15.00`	`stew`	`savio_R: is there a reason you need 2.6.13 and not the 2.6.12-1 packaged in unstable?`
`18:15.00`	`iss`	`i hate it... how can i downgrade from 2.6.12-sparc64 do 2.4.27??`
`18:15.03`	`stouset`	`stew: Shouldn't this be a case of "use at your own risk"?`
`18:15.21`	`stew`	`stouset: he's not using the debian package`
`18:15.24`	`stew`	`but probably`
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`18:15.45`	`marcel__`	`you can use several linux kernels, just choose the one with grub when booting`
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`18:16.23`	`savio_R`	`stew, I need to use 2.6.12 or > to use my webcam.`
`18:16.24`	`stouset`	`stew: Shouldn't this REALLY be a case of "use at your own risk" then?!`
`18:16.39`	`stouset`	`savio_R: Well, you apparently have a choice. GNOME, or your webcam?`
`18:16.50`	`marcel__`	`is installing kernel-image-2.6.12 so difficult?`
`18:17.00`	`stouset`	`savio_R: Which is the most important to you for the next x days until .13 is packaged in unstable?`
`18:17.04`	`stew`	`savio_R: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-386`
`18:17.09`	`tarzeau`	`iss: just install the 2.4 one?`
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`18:17.15`	`chealer`	`tarzeau, you mean your DrDos partition? ;)`
`18:17.19`	`tarzeau`	`iss: and remove the other, check silo.conf ?`
`18:17.29`	`stew`	`savio_R: what cpu do you have? likely 386 isn't hte best arch for you`
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`18:18.17`	`iss`	`tarzeau: after booting 2.4 i get a kernel panic: can't open /dev/console`
`18:18.54`	`savio_R`	`stew, I have an AMD. But with 2.6.12-k7 I had the same problem`
`18:19.11`	`stew`	`savio_R: /msg dpkg bts ; /msg dpkg reportbug`
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`18:19.44`	`tarzeau`	`iss: what sparc is that?`
`18:19.54`	`iss`	`tarzeau: Ultra 10`
`18:19.59`	`tarzeau`	`i'll probably kill the beos5 partition too`
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`18:20.09`	`tarzeau`	`for a larger kfreebsd one`
`18:20.18`	`stew`	`savio_R: in any case you shouldn't be using unstable's udev with 2.6.8`
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`18:21.27`	`iss`	`I experienced some very strange problems when updating from 2.4.27 to 2.6.12. Is there any possibilty to install a 2.6.* right away with the debian-current sparc64 netinst boot cdrom?`
`18:22.05`	`marcel__`	`iss, do you have all recommended packages installed for 2.6.12?`
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`18:22.48`	`iss`	`don't know, can't look that up right now...`
`18:22.50`	`chealer`	`iss, what do you mean by debian-current?`
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`18:23.26`	`cmdKeen`	`I have modem conected straight to USB port, how can I set it up ?`
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`18:23.57`	`asg`	`iss: why not just use the 2.4.27?`
`18:24.25`	`stew`	`marcel__: what recommended packages?`
`18:24.29`	`savio_R`	`stew, how can I remove udev and install hotplug again?`
`18:25.13`	`stew`	`savio_R: apt-get remove udev (it will remove gnome-volume-manager, and it will remove the gnome and gnome-d-e meta pacakges (which contain no binaries anyway))`
`18:25.37`	`Ryan_Singer`	`is there a forum or mailing list to reach Debian developers to offer them employment?`
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`18:25.59`	`stew`	`savio_R: "apt-get install hotplug" will install hotplug, however hotplug and udev are not mutually exclusive`
`18:26.12`	`iss`	`Ok, when i boot the netinst-sparc64 cd: how can i tell silo to boot the 2.6 kernel?`
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`18:26.18`	`asg`	`Ryan_Singer: #debian-mentors often contains developers and there's always the debian-devel mailing list`
`18:26.20`	`stew`	`Ryan_Singer: debian.org/consultants`
`18:26.25`	`iss`	`the thing is that i don't know hot to use silo.`
`18:26.26`	`MrBallZ`	`any recomendations on a ftp w/gui program, kinda filezilla .... and also , any pointers on making a canon sd200 camera work in kde ...`
`18:26.36`	`Ryan_Singer`	`stew: thank you`
`18:26.39`	`iss`	`on i386 it's an easy thing: expert26`
`18:26.45`	`Covener`	`This is odd, when I tell wget to add a Range: bytes=0-20 header it won't read the response body when it sees a 206 come back -- ring a bell for anyone?`
`18:26.51`	`mne`	`I was wondering if anyone is already playing quake4 on linux. Mine runs just fine, except for the fact that there's no sound at all ;(`
`18:26.57`	`Ryan_Singer`	`asg: I don't want to spam a mailing list with recruiter stuff`
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`18:27.10`	`stouset`	`stew: hotplug/udev conflict now.`
`18:27.45`	`asg`	`Ryan_Singer: as long as its well couched and not full of 'Dude!, you're getting a job! lol' type stuff, I don't think that it would be considered spam if it is sincere`
`18:27.53`	`iss`	`Doesn't that possibility exist?`
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`18:28.10`	`stew`	`Ryan_Singer: and lists.debian.org/debian-jobs`
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`18:28.55`	`Ryan_Singer`	`asg: there is a lot of hostility towards people who use FLOSS lists for commercial purposes, even if I send a sincere email, many will still consider it spam`
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`18:29.32`	`nkuttler`	`MrBallZ: apt-cache show gphoto2`
`18:29.34`	`asg`	`Ryan_Singer: of course.`
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`18:29.36`	`stouset`	`Ryan: Hi.`
`18:29.37`	`stew`	`stouset: oh that blows why!!`
`18:29.45`	`stouset`	`stew: Not sure. Just noticed it today.`
`18:29.47`	`Ryan_Singer`	`Stephen: Hi!`
`18:29.51`	`skatetux`	`hi`
`18:29.53`	`stew`	`stouset: thats going to break my shit!`
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`18:30.03`	`stouset`	`stew: You and udev don't get along, do you?`
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`18:30.14`	`stew`	`we do right now, we wont in a few weeks it seems`
`18:30.26`	`PerfDave`	`mne: You may want to check out http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/`
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`18:30.56`	`stew`	`stouset: right now i have it so that hotplug mounts /dev/usbkey1 and loads ssh-keys from it upon pluggin in a usbkey`
`18:31.00`	`mne`	`PerfDave, you mean the FAQ there ?`
`18:31.06`	`freebox`	`Somebody knows an Comercial PDC with samba and ldap?`
`18:31.08`	`PerfDave`	`mne: Yeah`
`18:31.13`	`stouset`	`Ryan_Singer: I know ALE has a specific list for potential employment. I know you're in CA, but I would assume you get offers for places around the country.`
`18:31.20`	`asg`	`freebox: Active Directory?`
`18:31.20`	`dli_`	`what is 5428/udp ? I got so many alert logs in syslog`
`18:31.25`	`freebox`	`asg: no`
`18:31.25`	`stouset`	`Ryan_Singer: I believe it's ale-jobs.`
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`18:31.45`	`asg`	`freebox: then build your own (www.oreilly.com/openbook -- Using Samba 2nd Ed.)`
`18:31.45`	`stouset`	`stew: d'oh`
`18:31.47`	`Ryan_Singer`	`stouset: the position I am looking for right now is a Seattle-based opportunity`
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`18:31.47`	`mne`	`PerfDave, unfortunately there's nothing like my sound problem in there. I already read through the faq. at least the libsdl1.2debian thing was helpful`
`18:31.58`	`freebox`	`asg: an distro thats work as pdc`
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`18:32.04`	`pjz`	`is ther a doc someplace with 'The Case for Debian in the Enterprise' (over something like RHE3) ?`
`18:32.07`	`stouset`	`Ryan_Singer: Maybe someone's looking to move? :) Can't hurt, and you won't get flamed for it.`
`18:32.13`	`savio_R`	`stew, if I install hotplug both udev and hotplug will work, without conflicts?`
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`18:32.25`	`asg`	`freebox: any would work if samba + ldap can handle things`
`18:32.26`	`PerfDave`	`freebox: Any Linux distro can run as a PDC. However, I believe that you may want to look at eSmith which is designed for such tasks out of the box IIRC.`
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`18:32.41`	`mtnman`	`!tell pjz about why debian`
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`18:32.44`	`amorphix`	`hi`
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`18:32.48`	`freebox`	`hm`
`18:32.48`	`stouset`	`Ryan_Singer: not sure where the best place to post would be. #debian-devel has a lot of developers, but it's more oriented towards, well, actual development. #debian-mentors is definitely not the place to do it.`
`18:32.54`	`amorphix`	`I'm getting lots of odd entries in my syslog:`
`18:32.57`	`amorphix`	`ct 25 18:51:10 localhost inetd[7987]: getpwnam: identd: No such user`
`18:32.57`	`amorphix`	`Oct 25 18:51:10 localhost inetd[3063]: /usr/sbin/identd: exit status 0x1`
`18:32.59`	`AciD`	`oi`
`18:33.01`	`stouset`	`Ryan_Singer: If you don't need a Debian Developer, #debian-user might be acceptable.`
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`18:33.10`	`amorphix`	`can anyone shed any light on this?`
`18:33.11`	`freebox`	`AciD: sai colono`
`18:33.23`	`Ryan_Singer`	`stouset: I'm probably going to post to debian-jobs`
`18:33.33`	`PerfDave`	`amorphix: Looks like you've got a problem with launching identd with inetd! :)`
`18:33.38`	`amorphix`	`damn!`
`18:33.39`	`stouset`	`Ryan_Singer: Oh. That'd work. Didn't think there was an actual debian-jobs mailing list.`
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`18:34.00`	`amorphix`	`PerfDave: how can it be fixed?`
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`18:34.35`	`amorphix`	`PerfDave: I'm having complaints from one of my users about very slow FTP connections to the server, could this be related?`
`18:34.39`	`PerfDave`	`amorphix: Do you have any particular reason for wanting to run an identd?`
`18:34.45`	`cevizoglu`	`how is debian pronounced?`
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`18:34.47`	`amorphix`	`not really`
`18:34.52`	`amorphix`	`Deb-Ian`
`18:34.53`	`asg`	`cevizoglu: Deb Ian`
`18:34.55`	`Gnea`	`cevizoglu: deb-ee-an`
`18:35.01`	`PerfDave`	`amorphix: Then your simplest solution may be to remove the identd ;)`
`18:35.04`	`cevizoglu`	`oh good :)`
`18:35.07`	`amorphix`	`ok`
`18:35.08`	`stouset`	`cevizoglu: Day bean.`
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`18:35.14`	`thingfish`	`stress on the first syllable.`
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`18:35.17`	`Gnea`	`some people say it dee-bee-an (wrong) :P`
`18:35.27`	`stouset`	`Day bean! Day bean!`
`18:35.33`	`thingfish`	`tsk`
`18:35.35`	`Gnea`	`that's like saying`
`18:35.40`	`asg`	`stouset: dey beean maybe`
`18:35.43`	`amorphix`	`PerfDave: but this could affect some apps which depend on it?`
`18:35.55`	`Gnea`	`"hi, my name is DAYborah" instead of "hi, my name is DEBorah"`
`18:35.57`	`stouset`	`asg: Actually, thinking about it, I do pronounce it like that. Day bee an.`
`18:36.00`	`Gnea`	`think.`
`18:36.02`	`PerfDave`	`amorphix: Uhm, you said you didn't have any particular reason for running it.`
`18:36.11`	`asg`	`stouset: Day-o, Daaaaay-o`
`18:36.20`	`savio_R`	`stew, I need to go. Thanks, Thanks and Thanks`
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`18:36.43`	`amorphix`	`PerfDave: my ftp server is set to server type: inetd`
`18:36.45`	`stouset`	`asg: Hm, more like day bee un.`
`18:36.46`	`stew`	`ok i can just run my scripts directly from udev`
`18:36.47`	`stouset`	`asg: Anyways.`
`18:36.56`	`cevizoglu`	`huh? so it's pronounced deb ee-an, or day-bee-an? or day been?`
`18:36.57`	`stew`	`looks like hotplug was removing /etc/hotplug/usb support anyway`
`18:36.59`	`stouset`	`stew: Whew.`
`18:37.03`	`asg`	`cevizoglu: the first one`
`18:37.07`	`PerfDave`	`amorphix: What's that got to do with running an identd? :)`
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`18:37.15`	`amorphix`	`:-/`
`18:37.25`	`amorphix`	`what is an identd, just to clarify ;-)`
`18:37.36`	`stouset`	`stew: What pisses me off about the whole hotplug/udev situation is that blacklisting processes keeps changing. I can't tell you how many times I've booted my laptop in class only to find that the pcspkr module gets loaded YET AGAIN.`
`18:37.42`	`asg`	`amorphix: it allows a daemon to call a client and request the username of the person connecting to it`
`18:37.44`	`PerfDave`	`amorphix: identd is just a program that listens to various ports, runs a program when something connects.`
`18:37.47`	`Xenguy`	`cevizoglu: as in DEBra and IAN :-)`
`18:37.47`	`stouset`	`stew: I finally renamed it to pcspkr.ko.fuckyou`
`18:37.49`	`amorphix`	`oh`
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`18:37.56`	`PerfDave`	`No, that's inetd.`
`18:38.04`	`PerfDave`	`TV time!`
`18:38.08`	`tarzeau`	`cevizoglu: #debian.tr ?`
`18:38.08`	`asg`	`PerfDave: good idea`
`18:38.10`	`amorphix`	`im in a mess`
`18:38.14`	`stew`	`stouset: well if they end up with only one place to blacklist stuff for both hotplug / discover, that would be progress`
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`18:38.33`	`superlinux`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:38.35`	`amorphix`	`what is the difference between inetd mode for a server and the other mode?`
`18:38.48`	`Gnea`	`mtnman: oh, as to your former rejection: denied! you missed my wording, i said 'based', not 'only', which is to say that the majority of the users in this channel utilize debian on x86 more often than on other platforms, with some exception, which doesn't preclude help on other chipsets but as a base, x86 is fairly much the norm here.`
`18:38.49`	`stew`	`stouset: the permanant pcspkr.ko.fuckyou is only a pair of wireclippers away`
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`18:39.03`	`usn_router`	`hi folx`
`18:39.04`	`asg`	`amorphix: inetd (or at least xinetd) can be used to throttle connections to daemons that don't have that function internally.`
`18:39.18`	`amorphix`	`so its a good thing to keep?`
`18:39.19`	`asg`	`amorphix: it's basically useless these days though some services still use it.`
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`18:39.25`	`amorphix`	`oh`
`18:39.36`	`Gnea`	`mtnman: but in a stateful manner, traffic will get redirected properly`
`18:40.04`	`asg`	`amorphix: inetd is if your services are started by it, identd might be useful but isn't a requirement unless you connect to really mean irc servers and may cause a 30 second timeout while connecting to some smtp servers`
`18:40.26`	`superlinux`	`who is willing to help me please`
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`18:40.32`	`mtnman`	`gnea: don't know what you mean by the channel being "debian-based" but i don't care to waste time discussing it with you anymore.`
`18:40.32`	`Licker`	`anyone know anything about FTP?`
`18:40.38`	`asg`	`superlinux: does the standard Debian kernel image work?`
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`18:40.47`	`amorphix`	`file transfer protocol`
`18:40.50`	`superlinux`	`yeas`
`18:40.53`	`superlinux`	`it does`
`18:40.56`	`stew`	`superlinux: /msg dpkg can't mount root`
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`18:41.00`	`asg`	`superlinux: then use it`
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`18:41.25`	`superlinux`	`it compiled once with me`
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`18:41.26`	`stouset`	`stew: Well, until there's a kernel upgrade.`
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`18:41.31`	`superlinux`	`and it worked`
`18:41.47`	`asg`	`superlinux: compile != works correctly`
`18:41.56`	`dpm_`	`hi there. Does anyone know what an "upstream developer" is?`
`18:41.58`	`superlinux`	`ok`
`18:42.02`	`stew`	`superlinux: did you compile in support for your hard disk controller? and ext3? (and both NOT as modules but directly in?)`
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`18:42.16`	`Dotrig`	`grr nvidia's ftp not works for me.`
`18:42.19`	`amorphix`	`all my daemon log entries are showing connection IP's as being my router now, is this normal??`
`18:42.20`	`asg`	`dpm_: the person that wrote squid is an upstream developer, the person that packages that code for debian is a debian developer or maintainer`
`18:42.30`	`stouset`	`dpm_: The original developer for a product, as opposed to the person who packages it for a distribution.`
`18:42.31`	`amorphix`	`how can I track users eh`
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`18:42.41`	`superlinux`	`ext3 is Y but donno abt my disk controller`
`18:42.50`	`amorphix`	`even Apache is showing router`
`18:42.52`	`stouset`	`dpm_: sometimes the packager is the same as the author, in which case there is no upstream.`
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`18:42.55`	`dpm_`	`thanks a lot`
`18:42.56`	`amorphix`	`this is f'd up`
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`18:43.01`	`superlinux`	`stew what should i think abt also?`
`18:43.07`	`b0g0ss`	`Hello`
`18:43.08`	`Dotrig`	`NVIDIA-Linux-ia64-1.0-5336-pkg1.run is correct if i using amd 3500+ ?.`
`18:43.10`	`amorphix`	`wtf`
`18:43.11`	`darky`	`i got a problem, e2fsck segfaults when repairing one of my partition`
`18:43.12`	`b0g0ss`	`I just have one question`
`18:43.17`	`darky`	`what should I do ?`
`18:43.22`	`stew`	`superlinux: if the error is "unable to mount root" then its root fs driver or disk controller driver`
`18:43.26`	`b0g0ss`	`How I can set the gateway in a static IP configuration`
`18:43.31`	`b0g0ss`	`in the file /etc/gateways?`
`18:43.33`	`asg`	`b0g0ss: man 5 interfaces`
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`18:43.54`	`Dotrig`	`i had one question ..`
`18:43.58`	`Anthro`	`darky: First, you should boot with something like Knoppix and run e2fsck from that on all of your partitions, particularly your root partition.`
`18:44.01`	`mtnman`	`b0g0ss: man interfaces.`
`18:44.07`	`amorphix`	`help!`
`18:44.24`	`superlinux`	`stew, its "VFS: cannot open root device hda2" and hda2 is the correct root, so?`
`18:44.24`	`asg`	`amorphix: first, undo whatever you did to put yourself in the state your are in now.`
`18:44.30`	`amorphix`	`all my daemon log entries are showing incoming connection IP's as being my router and not actual users requesting connections`
`18:44.33`	`amorphix`	`what have i done :(`
`18:44.37`	`gutano`	`Dotrig: ia64 is intel.... x86_64, or amd64 is amd`
`18:45.07`	`amorphix`	`asg: that would mean removing my new shiny router and putting back my old dusty 1990's hubs`
`18:45.16`	`wam`	`hmm - what was the trace-program again for debugging? strace or something. I want to see all kernel-calls from a program. Any ideas?`
`18:45.19`	`b0g0ss`	`Yeah I have done this like is explained in the interfaces man pages`
`18:45.23`	`stew`	`superlinux: so recompile your kerenl with your hard disk controller drivers compiled in`
`18:45.41`	`b0g0ss`	`but its does not working`
`18:45.45`	`b0g0ss`	`iface eth0 inet static`
`18:45.45`	`b0g0ss`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:45.45`	`b0g0ss`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:45.45`	`b0g0ss`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:45.45`	`superlinux`	`ok`
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`18:45.51`	`amorphix`	`im screwed`
`18:45.51`	`asg`	`amorphix: it sounds like your router is acting as a Nat gateway to the entire Internet.`
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`18:46.04`	`amorphix`	`asg: yes I think you're right`
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`18:46.12`	`mtnman`	`b0g0ss: doy you have a line "gateway" in /etc/network/interfaces?`
`18:46.14`	`amorphix`	`asg: I setup port forwarding, is that wrong?`
`18:46.14`	`asg`	`amorphix: it shouldn't do that`
`18:46.20`	`asg`	`mtnman: he just pasted it above`
`18:46.29`	`valdyn`	`amorphix: what you are seeing isnt just port forwarding`
`18:46.35`	`amorphix`	`ok`
`18:46.45`	`amorphix`	`i will load up my router access page`
`18:46.45`	`mtnman`	`asg: i was typing and missed it.`
`18:46.48`	`Dotrig`	`im new with Debian..`
`18:46.51`	`NOthsouth`	`Hello, Does someone already isntall macromedia Flash MX , and Dreamweaver in debian?? there is any URL about it?`
`18:46.51`	`asg`	`mtnman: :)`
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`18:47.04`	`stew`	`!tell b0g0ss about flood`
`18:47.13`	`b0g0ss`	`stew, ok excuse me`
`18:47.22`	`mtnman`	`b0g0ss: so now set machines on lan to use 10.0.0.1 as default gw.`
`18:47.28`	`asg`	`NOthsouth: go buy crossover office 5`
`18:47.39`	`stew`	`b0g0ss: if you "ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0" you don't end up with a default route? is this the only interface?`
`18:47.41`	`amorphix`	`i had DMZ mode enabled`
`18:47.45`	`amorphix`	`could that of caused it?`
`18:47.49`	`NOthsouth`	`asg, any opensource solution?`
`18:48.02`	`mrverbose`	`hm, xorg refuses to start, because the corepointer configured is not found`
`18:48.07`	`asg`	`NOthsouth: you might be able to run Windows in qemu and the software on that (very slow though)`
`18:48.10`	`mrverbose`	`it doesnt find /dev/input/mice, however, the device is present`
`18:48.14`	`asg`	`NOthsouth: you could try wine but YMMV.`
`18:48.26`	`NOthsouth`	`asg, YMMV?`
`18:48.30`	`valdyn`	`mrverbose: cat /dev/input/mice, wiggle your mouse around`
`18:48.30`	`asg`	`!ymmv`
`18:48.30`	`dpkg`	`i heard ymmv is your mileage may vary. [From 200 litres per km to 200 km per litre.], or http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/Y/YMMV.html`
`18:48.32`	`gutano`	`your mileage may vary`
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`18:49.06`	`stew`	`mrverbose: modprobe mousedev`
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`18:49.43`	`gutano`	`I have several modules that load on startup I don't want loaded, but they aren't listed in /etc/modules for loading`
`18:49.52`	`amorphix`	`asg: (from my port forwarding option on Router page) Entries in this table allow you to automatically redirect common network services to a specific machine behind the NAT firewall`
`18:49.54`	`asg`	`gutano: /msg dpkg blacklist`
`18:49.58`	`mtnman`	`gutano: do you have hotplug installed?`
`18:50.02`	`valdyn`	`gutano: like what?`
`18:50.05`	`amorphix`	`my Router is acting as NAT firewall by default?!`
`18:50.13`	`gutano`	`pcspkr, hate having to rmmod it all the time`
`18:50.20`	`asg`	`amorphix: from the inside out it should but not the outside in`
`18:50.21`	`abrotman`	`!blacklist`
`18:50.21`	`dpkg`	`Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present)`
`18:50.29`	`valdyn`	`amorphix: thats the standard behaviour of such routers`
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`18:50.30`	`amorphix`	`oh`
`18:50.33`	`b0g0ss`	`stew If if do ifdown eth0 its say "interface eth0 not configured" but if I do ifconfig eth0 down its work`
`18:50.37`	`gutano`	`didn't explicitly install hotplug, but I assume 2.6 uses udev`
`18:50.44`	`valdyn`	`amorphix: BUT what you described above is not just that..`
`18:50.45`	`stew`	`b0g0ss: then ifup eth0?`
`18:50.46`	`Some_Person[sick`	`Does any1 here have Simcity 3000 with the BAT?`
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`18:50.52`	`gutano`	`asg: thanks`
`18:50.55`	`amorphix`	`valdyn: what should I do then?`
`18:50.59`	`stew`	`b0g0ss: sounds like you want to add an "auto eth0" line to your interfaces file`
`18:51.04`	`valdyn`	`amorphix: no idea, i dont know your router`
`18:51.42`	`amorphix`	`it's a Origo WLAN Broadband Router`
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`18:51.47`	`b0g0ss`	`stew wen I do ifconfig eth0 down .. and after up wen I ping something on the net the DNS resolution is working put the icmp packet is not sended and its say "Network unreachable"`
`18:52.02`	`b0g0ss`	`stew wen I add manualy the gateway everythings is working`
`18:52.08`	`stew`	`b0g0ss: what do you mean exactly by "after up" ?`
`18:52.18`	`xelam`	`b0g0ss: when has an H in it...`
`18:52.24`	`b0g0ss`	`stew wen i make ifconfig eth0 up`
`18:52.33`	`stew`	`b0g0ss: ifconfig eth0 down; ifup eth0`
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`18:52.44`	`amorphix`	`valdyn: If i remove port forwarding rule for port 80, how will incoming connections arrive at the correct box on my LAN?`
`18:52.56`	`valdyn`	`amorphix: they wont`
`18:53.01`	`stew`	`b0g0ss: or add "auto eth0" your interfaces file and "/etc/init.d/networking restart"`
`18:53.01`	`amorphix`	`sheesh`
`18:53.09`	`amorphix`	`so what am i to do`
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`18:53.20`	`b0g0ss`	`xelam, sorry I'm not english native`
`18:53.23`	`stew`	`amorphix: ask origo technical support`
`18:53.29`	`amorphix`	`im screwed`
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`18:53.46`	`valdyn`	`amorphix: again.. if packets show your router as origin, then that isnt just portforwarding, its forwarding PLUS masquerading`
`18:54.02`	`amorphix`	`i dont want it tho`
`18:54.12`	`stew`	`b0g0ss: ifconfig ignores the interfaces file. ifup / ifdown actually use the interfaces file`
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`18:54.27`	`michael`	`I have installed X and enlightenment. Is there a good file explorer like nautilus for gnome? which is the best?`
`18:54.29`	`b0g0ss`	`stew, i have eth0 inet static after auto eth0`
`18:54.31`	`vinson`	`anyone know his nick?`
`18:54.42`	`deadcat`	`no`
`18:54.46`	`kes`	`o`
`18:54.50`	`varsendagger`	`hey how can i get hey how can i get libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0) ? i'm running debian`
`18:54.57`	`asg`	`michael: best is very subjective. You are welcome to install nautilus if you want`
`18:54.59`	`thandavarayan`	`michael: nautilus itself a file browser in gnome`
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`18:55.12`	`valdyn`	`varsendagger: which debian release?`
`18:55.21`	`dondelelcaro`	`!info libglib2.0-0`
`18:55.24`	`varsendagger`	`3.1 stable`
`18:55.25`	`dpkg`	`libglib2.0-0: (The GLib library of C routines), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.8.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 451 kB, Installed size: 965 kB`
`18:55.30`	`stew`	`b0g0ss: "ifconfig eth0 down" then "ifup eth0" then tell me if you have a default route`
`18:55.33`	`dondelelcaro`	`!info libglib2.0-0 stable`
`18:55.38`	`valdyn`	`!info libglib2.0-0 etch`
`18:55.43`	`dpkg`	`libglib2.0-0: (The GLib library of C routines), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.6.4-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 439 kB, Installed size: 933 kB`
`18:55.50`	`mrverbose`	`mouse is still not working, error is gone, but mouse doesnt work, i will try to look for that some other time`
`18:55.52`	`b0g0ss`	`stew, ifup eth0 -> SIOCSIFNETMASK Invalid argument`
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`18:56.06`	`michael`	`asg: does nautilus work on X&Enlightenment? What is there else besides nautilus?`
`18:56.07`	`dondelelcaro`	`varsendagger: so you're trying to install something from either testing or unstable on sarge; get a backport instead.`
`18:56.14`	`b0g0ss`	`stew Failed to bring up eth0`
`18:56.24`	`thandavarayan`	`michael: konqueror, ROX`
`18:56.35`	`thandavarayan`	`michael: rox filer.`
`18:56.38`	`valdyn`	`!info libglib2.0-0 etch`
`18:56.42`	`stew`	`b0g0ss: your netmask should be 255.255.255.0 not 10.0.0.255`
`18:56.45`	`dpkg`	`libglib2.0-0: (The GLib library of C routines), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.8.3-1 (etch), Packaged size: 451 kB, Installed size: 965 kB`
`18:56.46`	`varsendagger`	`what is a backport?`
`18:56.50`	`dpkg`	`libglib2.0-0: (The GLib library of C routines), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.8.3-1 (etch), Packaged size: 451 kB, Installed size: 965 kB`
`18:56.52`	`michael`	`thandavarayan: isnt konqueror KDE only?`
`18:56.54`	`stew`	`varsendagger: /msg dpkg backport`
`18:57.05`	`Some_Person[sick`	`Does any1 here have Simcity 3000?`
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`18:57.12`	`valdyn`	`varsendagger: why would you need that anyway?`
`18:57.30`	`thandavarayan`	`michael: ofcourse, you can use it in Enlight...., but it will load kdelibs....which are too heavy`
`18:57.31`	`b0g0ss`	`stew yeah.. after reflexion.. I'm too stupid, I will try`
`18:57.52`	`thandavarayan`	`michael: try rox filer, which is lightweight and fast.`
`18:58.01`	`michael`	`Some_Person[sick: this aint any randon warez channel man, this is #debian`
`18:58.10`	`Anthro`	`Some_Person[sick: This is not a warez channel. Go away.`
`18:58.31`	`Some_Person[sick`	`I don't want ware`
`18:58.33`	`Some_Person[sick`	`I don't want warez`
`18:58.46`	`Some_Person[sick`	`I own the game, and 1 file is corrupt`
`18:58.51`	`asg`	`!list`
`18:58.51`	`dpkg`	`one warez list being sent to asg@is.a.fucktard.com`
`18:58.52`	`varsendagger`	`i'm trying to get soem stupid games working and they are asking for python 2.4 and these dependecies keep comming up`
`18:58.57`	`asg`	`hahaha`
`18:59.00`	`Some_Person[sick`	`I only need sc3.exe version 1.1`
`18:59.16`	`fbi`	`Some_Person[sick: try #bearcave on EFnet.`
`18:59.17`	`sussudio`	`Some_Person[sick: go away or i'll call the cops.`
`18:59.20`	`michael`	`thandavarayan: alright, I will google about rox filer ... ;) thx so far`
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`18:59.29`	`thandavarayan`	`michael:fine`
`18:59.31`	`Some_Person[sick`	`ok, i'll try`
`18:59.41`	`Anthro`	`Some_Person[sick: Gee, maybe you should reinstall. Since you own the game, you must have the install CD, right?`
`18:59.54`	`adingman`	`Anyone have a cardbus 1394b card to recommend?`
`19:00.00`	`Some_Person[sick`	`The CD is damaged`
`19:00.02`	`feanor`	`hi everyone`
`19:00.07`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 731] by debhelper`
`19:00.09`	`varsendagger`	`is it > or >> that will completly replace a file if i echo "junk" > or >> to it`
`19:00.14`	`b0g0ss`	`stew Its working now.. thanx :))`
`19:00.22`	`valdyn`	`varsendagger: >`
`19:00.23`	`asg`	`valdyn: >`
`19:00.25`	`asg`	`bah`
`19:00.27`	`Anthro`	`Some_Person[sick: Sucks to be you. Regardless, this is very much the wrong place to be. Leave.`
`19:00.27`	`thandavarayan`	`Some_Person[sick: don't bother us.`
`19:00.29`	`feanor`	`i have a problem getting my printer (epson c44+) work`
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`19:00.48`	`stew`	`b0g0ss: you're welcome`
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`19:01.01`	`Anthro`	`feanor: What is it doing or not doing? Do you have cups installed?`
`19:01.35`	`feanor`	`i installed cupsys and gnome-cups-manager and printconf`
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`19:01.56`	`feanor`	`printconf made it possible that i can print with gedit for example`
`19:02.16`	`feanor`	`but it is impossible to print with lpr`
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`19:02.36`	`varsendagger`	`how do i find a url for these backports ? i've tried the unofficial apt-get repository`
`19:02.36`	`Anthro`	`feanor: apt-get install cupsys-bsd`
`19:02.42`	`feanor`	`which is recommend to print with firefox for example`
`19:02.54`	`feanor`	`Anthro, I installed this already`
`19:03.11`	`feanor`	`I got my informations from the epson support homepage and they say:`
`19:03.20`	`Anthro`	`feanor: And what does lpr tell you when you try to print with it`
`19:03.21`	`Anthro`	`?`
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`19:03.43`	`feanor`	`i should use this command: /usr/sbin/lpadmin -p pm740c -E -v ekplp:/var/ekpd/ekplp0 -m ekpm740c.ppd`
`19:04.09`	`feanor`	`but this is the error message lpadmin: add-printer (set device) failed: client-error-not-possible`
`19:04.14`	`Norbert`	`hi all, I have a laptop here (HP OmniBook 4150), installed Debian on it with the floppy drive in there - now I'm trying to get the cd-rom working, but /dev/hdc is not a valid block device... any ideas?`
`19:04.19`	`dli_`	`feanor: apt-get install cupsys-bsd`
`19:04.26`	`bbrazil`	`Norbert: hdb/hdd?`
`19:04.31`	`feanor`	`Anthro, if i do an lpr <filename> nothing happens`
`19:04.37`	`bbrazil`	`Norbert: also check dmesg`
`19:04.45`	`dli_`	`Norbert: check what's in /proc/ide`
`19:04.47`	`feanor`	`dli_, i did this`
`19:04.52`	`Anthro`	`feanor: Does lpq show anything in the queue?`
`19:05.07`	`dli_`	`Norbert: or "dmesg\|less" and search for your cdrom`
`19:05.11`	`xoz`	`Norbert: why cnt you boot from CD?`
`19:05.14`	`feanor`	`Anthro, stylus_c44ux is ready`
`19:05.14`	`feanor`	`no entries`
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`19:05.35`	`Norbert`	`bbrazil, dli_, okay... one moment, I'll check`
`19:05.48`	`valdyn`	`feanor: did you read /var/log/cups/error_log yet?`
`19:05.48`	`feanor`	`tylus_c44ux was created with printconf`
`19:05.49`	`Anthro`	`feanor: Are you trying to print a PostScript file? I doubt lpr will accept anything else if you haven't explicitly set it up.`
`19:06.12`	`Licker`	`a client is trying to conect to my Debian box but hes behind a uni firewall.. can soemone help?`
`19:06.13`	`valdyn`	`!cups setup`
`19:06.14`	`dpkg`	`[cups setup] Install cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsomatic-ppd and foomatic-db. Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy!`
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`19:06.47`	`Anthro`	`Licker: In what way is he trying to connect? What does the firewall block?`
`19:06.56`	`feanor`	`Anthro, I try to print a normal textfile. Don't know what a PostScript file is.`
`19:07.12`	`Norbert`	`xoz: I have no Debian CD, just the installation disks, that's why I installed it from disks`
`19:07.23`	`Licker`	`Anthro: his uni only allows use of: 21, 22, 23, 80, 110, 119, 143, 443, 465, 554, 563, 873, 993, 995, 1755, 1863, 2082, 2086, 2095, 2401, 3389, 5050, 5190, 6667, 6891`
`19:08.16`	`Anthro`	`feanor: lpr probably won't print plain text by default. Why not print to a file with Firefox, which should produce a PostScript file? Then you can try using lpr on that.`
`19:08.20`	`Licker`	`for some reason he cant connect`
`19:08.24`	`Licker`	`hes using a WIN box`
`19:08.33`	`Anthro`	`Licker: Sounds reasonably liberal. What is he trying to connect to?`
`19:08.40`	`Anthro`	`Licker: And don't say your box`
`19:08.41`	`Licker`	`my web server`
`19:08.50`	`Anthro`	`Licker: Port 80? PLain old http?`
`19:08.55`	`Licker`	`yes`
`19:08.57`	`valdyn`	`feanor: did you read /var/log/cups/error_log yet ?`
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`19:09.04`	`dli_`	`Anthro: I think lpr prints .txt by default`
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`19:09.32`	`valdyn`	`dli_: nah, it cant do that if gs-esp isnt installed on non-postscript printers, iirc`
`19:09.35`	`Licker`	`should i just make it a passive ftp connection and change the port on my server? (for FTP) or... it lost me`
`19:09.36`	`Licker`	`:;p`
`19:09.38`	`Anthro`	`Licker: The problem may be on your side, then. Have you ever had anyone connect to your web server from outside your local network.`
`19:09.41`	`feanor`	`valdyn, here is the error message: add_printer: bad device-uri attribute 'ekplp:/va\`
`19:09.42`	`feanor`	`r/ekpd/ekplp0'!`
`19:09.43`	`Anthro`	`dli_: Perhaps. I don't know.`
`19:09.48`	`Licker`	`yea`
`19:10.03`	`Licker`	`i have done it myself and m friend in 2 states away has connected`
`19:10.04`	`feanor`	`this comes with the command from the epson homepage`
`19:10.06`	`michael`	`thandavarayan: I have just installed ROX filer and it looks quite nice. but how can I create a shortcut on my desktop that will open rox filer when clicknig on it?`
`19:10.15`	`Anthro`	`Licker: Give me an URL to try so I can verify.`
`19:10.32`	`valdyn`	`feanor: just use 'lpr', not whatever bullshit that might not work with debian epson might be telling you`
`19:10.41`	`Anthro`	`Licker: Are you on DSL or cable modem or what?`
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`19:10.48`	`Licker`	`cable`
`19:10.56`	`varsendagger`	`so the simple sid backports is the hard way to use backports. how do i search within these backports befor i add them to my sources.list?`
`19:10.57`	`feanor`	`Anthro, I tried to print with firefox by simply going to file print, but here is the same effect... nothing happens`
`19:10.58`	`Licker`	`yes my router is setup to accept FTP`
`19:11.00`	`Licker`	`;)`
`19:11.02`	`varsendagger`	`or can i doo that?`
`19:11.14`	`Anthro`	`Licker: What does FTP have to do with it?`
`19:11.30`	`Licker`	`:/ hang on 1 minute getting info`
`19:11.33`	`thandavarayan`	`michael: I am not using ROX at the moment, but like nautilus ROX can able to draw your desktop icons too, but How is I don't know at the moment.`
`19:11.59`	`feanor`	`valdyn, ok, but as i know this concept from university i need a printer which I can access with lpr -p<printername>`
`19:12.15`	`thandavarayan`	`michael: Are you using Enlight....or...`
`19:12.16`	`valdyn`	`feanor: you dont need to specify the default printer`
`19:12.18`	`nkuttler`	`michael: you want rox-session iirc, apt-cache search rox \| grep ^rox`
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`19:12.39`	`Anthro`	`feanor: Which driver are you using for it?`
`19:13.09`	`thandavarayan`	`michael: Enlight...is just a window manger, I am not sure whether it can able to show icons on the desktop. Otherwise, you can tweak the Enlight...menu to include ROX`
`19:13.14`	`wam`	`I'm using SID and upgraded last night. Now my Gnome-Filemanager "nautilus" won't come up again. The last action it makes is to <futex(0x80fdb14, FUTEX_WAIT, 17, NULL>.I upgraded kde last night. Any ideas how I could repair this?`
`19:13.29`	`asg`	`wam: check the bts`
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`19:13.36`	`wam`	`asg: bts?`
`19:13.41`	`wam`	`ah - no info there`
`19:13.58`	`thandavarayan`	`wam: what does it mean won't come up again.`
`19:14.04`	`feanor`	`Anthro, no special driver. if i use gnome-cups-manager and go to the printer and look for the driver i see that there is no driver specified`
`19:14.12`	`feanor`	`amazing... i know`
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`19:14.32`	`wam`	`thandavarayan: I call it (e.g. in the shell or when starting gnome) and it doesn't show up. It waits for fitex with NULL timeout :/`
`19:14.35`	`feanor`	`i thought nothing can work with that configuration, but with gedit i can print without any problem`
`19:14.38`	`Anthro`	`feanor: That's part of the problem, I expect. It should be using gimp-print, according to linuxprinting.org`
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`19:15.37`	`wam`	`Btw: nautilus runs under another user. It must be an existing config in my account...`
`19:15.40`	`feanor`	`Anthro, but what i cant understand. I get an printer with using some gnome stuff. But i cant work with lpr.`
`19:16.33`	`thandavarayan`	`wam: strange, I never encountered such a message,`
`19:16.42`	`Anthro`	`feanor: Uh-huh. GNOME uses black magic and virginal blood. It apparently isn't configured properly, and you need gimp-print.`
`19:16.43`	`pipeline`	`feanor: Install cupsys-bsd ?`
`19:16.50`	`Anthro`	`pipeline: He has`
`19:17.00`	`thandavarayan`	`wam: NULL time out.`
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`19:17.06`	`feanor`	`pipeline, yes i did.`
`19:17.13`	`wam`	`thandavarayan: no, this message comes from the strace.`
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`19:18.38`	`valdyn`	`!info printconf sarge`
`19:18.42`	`valdyn`	`!info printconf etch`
`19:18.43`	`dpkg`	`printconf: (automatically configures USB and parallel printers with CUPS), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.7.4.14 (sarge), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 40 kB`
`19:18.45`	`valdyn`	`!info printconf sid`
`19:18.50`	`dpkg`	`printconf: (automatically configures USB and parallel printers with CUPS), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.7.4.18 (sid), Packaged size: 13 kB, Installed size: 44 kB`
`19:18.55`	`pipeline`	`printconf? yech`
`19:18.57`	`pipeline`	`foomatic!`
`19:19.10`	`valdyn`	`feanor: which debian release?`
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`19:19.36`	`Anthro`	`pipeline: I prefer KDE's printer utility, but that's just me.`
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`19:19.55`	`Norbert`	`dli_: in /proc/ide I have: drivers, hda, ide0, piix`
`19:19.59`	`feanor`	`valdyn, woody`
`19:20.06`	`Norbert`	`dli_: (no cd-rom there it seems)`
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`19:20.09`	`thandavarayan`	`wam: How was your uprade....last night..`
`19:20.12`	`pipeline`	`feanor, Anthro: KDE and Gnome both just screenscrape the CUPS web interface. Foomatic is far superior to the CUPS setup wizard.`
`19:20.23`	`Norbert`	`bbrazil: no, hdb or hdd are not the cd-rom either`
`19:20.34`	`beardy`	`feanor: You probably want to upgrade to sarge.`
`19:20.36`	`feanor`	`ok i made an apt-get install cupsys-driver-gimpprint`
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`19:21.28`	`Strider`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:21.37`	`xinming`	`GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907`
`19:21.37`	`xinming`	`wal: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems`
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`19:21.45`	`xinming`	`How do I resolve this problem please?`
`19:21.47`	`fatal__`	`!apt-key`
`19:21.53`	`feanor`	`now i got in gnome-cups-manager more driver and an driver called stylus c44ux. which (i think) belongs to my printer`
`19:21.58`	`fatal__`	`:(`
`19:21.58`	`thandavarayan`	`wam: may be good if you try apt-get dist-upgrade`
`19:22.06`	`pack`	`has anyone seen smb://somesambaserver links work in firefox?`
`19:22.08`	`fatal__`	`xinming: google for apt-key`
`19:22.17`	`feanor`	`i checked this printer driver and now nothing works ;-)`
`19:22.28`	`feanor`	`i cant even print with gedit`
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`19:22.29`	`dondelelcaro`	`!apt-key 1F41B907`
`19:22.32`	`dpkg`	`gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 ; gpg --export 1F41B907 \| sudo apt-key add -;`
`19:22.40`	`dondelelcaro`	`xinming: ^^^`
`19:22.44`	`fatal__`	`:)`
`19:22.45`	`Strider`	`before apt-get dist-upgreade make sure you have your rescue disk handy.`
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`19:23.06`	`Strider`	`my lilo broke.`
`19:23.21`	`asg`	`Strider: what debian version are you running`
`19:23.25`	`sussudio`	`you bent my wookeee.`
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`19:23.34`	`xinming`	`fatal__: thanks.`
`19:23.34`	`asg`	`sussudio: you touched my monkey`
`19:23.35`	`tzafrir_home`	`he was running woody, I figure`
`19:23.40`	`Norbert`	`ehm, my laptop does not recognize the cd-rom drive, it's not hdb, hdc, hdd... what can I do? any howto's on this?`
`19:23.47`	`pipeline`	`asg, sussudio : You baked my cookies.`
`19:24.00`	`dli_`	`Norbert: is it in BIOS ?`
`19:24.04`	`asg`	`tzafrir_home: then he didn't follow the helpful upgrade instructions at www.debian.org`
`19:24.10`	`Strider`	`any idea about my phpmyadmin problem?`
`19:24.11`	`thandavarayan`	`Strider: depends, if you upgrade from woody to sarge`
`19:24.14`	`valdyn`	`Norbert: there is nothing to 'recognise' really that could fail. Maybe its broken, maybe its switched off in your bios`
`19:24.35`	`Norbert`	`okay, I'll reboot and check the bios`
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`19:24.45`	`tzafrir_home`	`Strider, use grb, so you won't be left stuck in fron of a LI`
`19:24.49`	`Norbert`	`(not on the laptop here, so I'll stay logged in on this channel)`
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`19:25.11`	`tzafrir_home`	`(only infront a grub-shell)`
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`19:26.03`	`tzafrir_home`	`speaking of grub, I can't get my newely-installed sarge to boot with it`
`19:26.07`	`xinming`	`dondelelcaro: thanks, your solution helped. :-P`
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`19:26.24`	`thandavarayan`	`tzafrir_home: what is the problem`
`19:27.24`	`tzafrir_home`	`I seem to have a problem with the bios, so I moved the root partition a bit from the beginning of the disk and created a small /boot partition there`
`19:27.28`	`Norbert`	`dli, valdyn: there's no cd-rom to en- or disable in the bios`
`19:27.36`	`amorphix`	`valdyn: If i change back to using Linux as the dhcp client and use the router as a static IP router for internal traffic only, that will solve this problem?`
`19:27.42`	`tzafrir_home`	`I have still not been able to boot to that system`
`19:28.19`	`tzafrir_home`	`I get a kernel panic for failing to load the root filesystem`
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`19:28.56`	`tzafrir_home`	`the "kernel" line from grub.conf: /vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-386 root=/dev/hdb1 ro`
`19:29.00`	`amorphix`	`hi`
`19:29.17`	`tzafrir_home`	`hmmm, root=hdb2, right?`
`19:29.20`	`Norbert_`	`dli, valdyn: in info in dmesg about a cd-rom either`
`19:29.21`	`tzafrir_home`	`hmmm...`
`19:29.28`	`saloxin`	`lastlog tzafrir_home`
`19:29.35`	`saloxin`	`�h`
`19:29.43`	`ism`	`what is the meta package for basic C compiling, plus kernel header compiling?`
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`19:29.52`	`dli_`	`Norbert: yes? then, go to /proc/ide`
`19:29.54`	`mtnman`	`norbert: have you loaded modules relevant to the cdrom drive?`
`19:29.57`	`saloxin`	`is /dev/dhdb2 your boot partition?`
`19:29.58`	`dli_`	`Norbert: find it there`
`19:30.17`	`Strider`	`amorphix: what problem?`
`19:30.18`	`dli_`	`ism: apt-get install kernel-package`
`19:30.30`	`amorphix`	`I have a router which is doing NAT packet forwarding for ports in the firewall and since I'm running services on a server behind it its screwing up alot of stuff, namely all my logs and access control etc... at the moment I'm using the router as a gateway to Internet, I'm wondering if I revert back to using Linux server as dhcp client gateway and have the router doing the internal traffic, that will solve it?`
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`19:30.44`	`dli_`	`Norbert_: I think it's ide-cd, "modprobe ide_cd"`
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`19:31.45`	`amorphix`	`I dont see any way of disabling the NAT firewall or any options`
`19:31.45`	`ism`	`dli_: okay, but what is needed to set up all gcc packages, plus standard libraries etc? so that my system provides basic compiling utilities`
`19:31.55`	`Norbert_`	`dli: there's no such module`
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`19:32.23`	`amorphix`	`do routers normally use NAT firewalls?`
`19:32.24`	`mtnman`	`norbert_: what kernel are you running?`
`19:32.24`	`Norbert_`	`dli: I have 2.4.27-2, right from the install`
`19:32.38`	`Norbert_`	`mtnman: 2.4.27-2...`
`19:32.38`	`amorphix`	`or just crap ones like this`
`19:33.18`	`amorphix`	`I've had alot of speed/performance issues since i setup this router, thats probably due to the NAT firewall eh`
`19:33.25`	`mtnman`	`norbert_: you should probably try installing a different kernel. the kernel used for installation is usually somewhat bare-bones.`
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`19:34.09`	`Hans`	`Moin, moin!`
`19:34.12`	`Norbert_`	`mtnman: how about if I apt-get install the 2.6 kernel?`
`19:34.15`	`amorphix`	`hi`
`19:34.43`	`mtnman`	`norbert_: well, i have been sticking to the 2.4's myself.`
`19:35.03`	`Hans`	`Thats not apt-get to install the kernel. The kernel you have to install by hand...`
`19:35.03`	`mtnman`	`norbert_: the problem is probably that you have only a very basic kernel installed.`
`19:35.23`	`stew`	`mtnman: how is 2.4.27-2 a very basic kernel?`
`19:35.34`	`Strider`	`amorphix: trying to give reference to better channel. firewalls are tricky and should have more readers help.`
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`19:35.43`	`asg`	`2.2.20-idepci was a basic kernel`
`19:35.43`	`stew`	`Norbert_: what cpu do you have?`
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`19:35.49`	`mtnman`	`stew: he said he had the kernel from installation, which is usually somewhat basic.`
`19:35.55`	`stew`	`mtnman: not true at all`
`19:36.01`	`amorphix`	`can I do this: Internet--->Cable Modem---->Linux DHCP---->Router------Linux Client ?`
`19:36.06`	`thandavarayan`	`mtnman: not really`
`19:36.11`	`mtnman`	`stew: well, it used to be that way. perhaps it has changed in sarge.`
`19:36.16`	`stew`	`mtnman: it has`
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`19:36.22`	`archpollux`	`hi all`
`19:36.23`	`gutano`	`amorphix: yes but it doesn't make much sense`
`19:36.23`	`Norbert_`	`stew: celeron 448mhz`
`19:36.26`	`archpollux`	`i'm on a network with thousands of printers online and when i start the printers kcontrol module, it discovers and lists all of them... how can i disable that?`
`19:36.30`	`amorphix`	`gutano: why?`
`19:36.35`	`stew`	`Norbert_: if you want a 2.6 kernel, apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686`
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`19:36.57`	`Norbert_`	`but... all I want is my cd-rom to work...`
`19:37.08`	`Norbert_`	`do I really have to change kernels for this? :(`
`19:37.11`	`gutano`	`amorphix: linux can be easily used for both router/dhcp (and more)... as well as a router....`
`19:37.14`	`Coutal`	`hey, i'm having problems with directfb. every directfb application i am trying to run, locks up the console with a garbled display. can anyone help me?`
`19:37.22`	`amorphix`	`archollux: woah, where the hell do you work!`
`19:37.23`	`mtnman`	`norbert_: depends if the kernel you now have includes cdrom support`
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`19:37.27`	`amorphix`	`microsoft?`
`19:37.42`	`gutano`	`amorphix: other than the use of a router simply for more ports, you have more layers than are useful`
`19:37.55`	`amorphix`	`gutano: i understand, but my router is also a 4-port switch`
`19:38.02`	`gutano`	`amorphix: nods`
`19:38.18`	`mtnman`	`norbert_: the fact that modprobe ide-cd and that dmesg makes no mention of your cdrom indicates that your kernel does not support cdrom, if i understand correctly.`
`19:38.26`	`Coutal`	`linux can function as a switch basically, you can pick up a quad-ethernet card for cheap off ebay at times.`
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`19:38.33`	`amorphix`	`I just need something to forward traffic between the Linux server and my LAN clients`
`19:38.38`	`Norbert_`	`mtnman: ok`
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`19:38.51`	`mtnman`	`norbert_: you can check the kernel's config file to be sure.`
`19:38.59`	`amorphix`	`some wise guys in here told me to get a switch to replace my hubs and since then everything is screwed up`
`19:39.21`	`Coutal`	`amorphix: what are you trying to achieve? i'm quite versed in networking but i came into the conversation late`
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`19:39.33`	`amorphix`	`gutano: so I can setup that router for just switching and thats the best setup eh?`
`19:39.34`	`loxley`	`amorphix: a switch is always a good idea`
`19:39.38`	`gutano`	`amorphix: the solution i like best (I use), is to use linux for NAT, and just disable everything on the dsl-router, use it like a hub/switch`
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`19:40.31`	`Coutal`	`loxley: unless you have special requirements for a hub. that can happen too.`
`19:40.31`	`gutano`	`amorphix: and hub/switch will work completely interchangably in the environment you describe`
`19:40.32`	`gutano`	`amorphix: it requires 2 nics, but yes`
`19:40.35`	`Coutal`	`be right back`
`19:40.37`	`loxley`	`Coutal: true.. hmm.. yeah if you want all ppl to get the packets or?`
`19:40.42`	`gutano`	`amorphix: another option is to use the dsl router for internet access and plug in your linux box, and other machines to it`
`19:40.47`	`CoutAway`	`loxley: that's one example :) (IDS)`
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`19:40.57`	`loxley`	`:)`
`19:40.57`	`gutano`	`amorphix: then forward ports from internet to your linux server`
`19:41.07`	`stew`	`Norbert_: you do not need to change kernels to use your cdrom`
`19:41.09`	`asg`	`CoutAway: better to use real switches and span ports than hubs though for IDS`
`19:41.11`	`amorphix`	`Coutal: I just updated my network and replaced my hubs with a combined WLAN Router-Switch box, but someone advised me to use it as a router gateway to the modem, but i didnt know the router firewall does NAT and thats screwed up my server basically, logs/access control etc, all showing router IP`
`19:41.29`	`stew`	`Norbert_: make sure ide-scsi isnt' loaded and ide-cd is, unless you are trying to burn cd's then the opposite`
`19:41.59`	`Norbert_`	`stew: okay - I'm not trying to burn cd's`
`19:42.06`	`Norbert_`	`stew: can you help me load ide-scsi?`
`19:42.20`	`sunshine82`	`im tryin to rebuild my kernel when i type uname -a it different from my linux header`
`19:42.28`	`amorphix`	`I need Linux doing the firewalling and DHCP client eh`
`19:42.40`	`asg`	`amorphix: it can do both`
`19:42.40`	`amorphix`	`and the router acting as just a switch behind it I think`
`19:42.57`	`stew`	`Norbert_: don't load ide-scsi, you can see if its loaded by seeing if "lsmod \| grep ide.scsi" returns anything`
`19:43.03`	`amorphix`	`asg: but mine is crap, all my incoming access requests are being totally rewritten`
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`19:43.10`	`amorphix`	`its not just forwarding traffic`
`19:43.21`	`stew`	`Norbert_: if it is "modprobe -r ide_scsi" (or is it ide-scsi i can never remember)`
`19:43.30`	`arnon`	`how can I disable auto-start on reboot for apache web server ?`
`19:43.34`	`amorphix`	`i cant work like that eh`
`19:43.35`	`stew`	`Norbert_: if it was you may want to blacklist it /msg dpkg blacklist`
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`19:43.47`	`aXp`	`hello! i want to burn an hybrid dvd-image (which i made using dd, yes the image is working) how to burn it?`
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`19:43.52`	`stew`	`arnon: use rcconf`
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`19:44.24`	`wazzles`	`I am at the debian sarge install screen and when I hit enter nothing happens. It is a usb keyboard.`
`19:44.26`	`arnon`	`stew, install it first`
`19:44.26`	`amorphix`	`seriously this is f***d up, I hate NAT`
`19:44.27`	`arnon`	`?`
`19:44.43`	`arnon`	`stew, is rcconf a package that I need to install ?`
`19:44.52`	`asg`	`amorphix: nat is useful, the question you should ask is why your router is natting the Internet and not just your internal network`
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`19:45.39`	`Norbert_`	`stew: ide-cd is loaded, ide.scsi (or ide-scsi or ide_scsi) is not`
`19:45.43`	`amorphix`	`asg: that is a good question, and one i cant answer..ive been thru the userguide from start to end and its useless, the site is even less helpful and its a third rate manufacturer in Taiwan eh. i bought a piece of junk basically`
`19:45.56`	`free-love`	`damn`
`19:45.56`	`free-love`	`lot of peolpe in here`
`19:45.57`	`Norbert_`	`stew: so, what can I do now...?`
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`19:46.01`	`stew`	`arnon: yes, or man update-rc.d (but rcconf is easier)`
`19:46.08`	`free-love`	`so hey`
`19:46.12`	`asg`	`amorphix: well, depending on how the device is setup, you might have things plugged up in the wrong direction.`
`19:46.18`	`free-love`	`is debian up to a 2.6 kernel yet?`
`19:46.22`	`amorphix`	`asg: oh`
`19:46.26`	`free-love`	`hows debian for production use?`
`19:46.27`	`stew`	`Norbert_: do you know how your drive is attached? like is it the slave on the secondary ide?`
`19:46.38`	`free-love`	`anyone here using deb with OPEnACS aolserver tcl?`
`19:46.43`	`mtnman`	`!tell free-love about polls`
`19:46.52`	`Norbert_`	`stew: sorry, I don't know, it's in the place where a floppy drive can also be inserted`
`19:47.08`	`asg`	`free-love: 1) yes, 2) perfect for production use, 3) yech, tcl`
`19:47.13`	`Norbert_`	`stew: if you could tell me how to, I'm willing to find out though`
`19:47.14`	`stew`	`Norbert_: see if you can find it in: "dmesg \| grep -i cd \| less"`
`19:47.26`	`stew`	`Norbert_: and i'd make a guess that it is /dev/hdc`
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`19:47.52`	`stew`	`Norbert_: do you have discover or discover1 installed?`
`19:47.53`	`Norbert_`	`stew: nothing returns from that grep`
`19:48.02`	`Norbert_`	`stew: it's not hdc, I tried mounting that`
`19:48.11`	`wazzles`	`debian does not respond at the main installation screen to my usb keyboard, should I get one of those ps2>usb converter dongle things?`
`19:48.15`	`Norbert_`	`stew: I can install discover(1) if that could help`
`19:48.16`	`asg`	`amorphix: if the switch has a 'WAN' port, connect that to your modem.`
`19:48.17`	`stew`	`Norbert_: dmesg \| grep hd`
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`19:48.37`	`amorphix`	`asg: the modem is in the WAN port, and my server and clients are all in LAN ports`
`19:48.45`	`amorphix`	`thats the only way it can go eh`
`19:48.45`	`asg`	`wazzles: see if your BIOS supports a legacy option you can turn on`
`19:48.46`	`Norbert_`	`stew: that grep returns hda (and ide0 and ide1)`
`19:48.52`	`hacabrera071`	`Hi guys... Can you give me a hand setting up my video Card? I already installed Debian Sarge on my Dell Optiplex GX150, but the graphics are not running... :(`
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`19:49.03`	`wazzles`	`asg: what would it say?`
`19:49.10`	`oklinux`	`does debian dectect sata drive ?`
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`19:49.13`	`asg`	`wazzles: erm, USB Legacy Support`
`19:49.18`	`amorphix`	`asg: I still need 2 nics in my server? I only have one`
`19:49.21`	`wazzles`	`asg: ok`
`19:49.33`	`amorphix`	`I may have missed the point eh`
`19:49.41`	`asg`	`amorphix: call their tech support and ask them wtf the router is natting inbound traffic from the Interweb`
`19:49.43`	`amorphix`	`traffic flow is one direction`
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`19:49.54`	`Norbert_`	`stew: the cd-rom drive was not in the laptop during installation, the floppy drive was`
`19:50.01`	`Norbert_`	`stew: I think that's why this all happens`
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`19:50.09`	`Bonfantialle`	`<federicomattina666> no cmq per le immagini devi sentire giorgio http://www.clickevolution.com/surf/join.php?refid=99984506`
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`19:50.23`	`asg`	`amorphix: you migth also consult #networking to see if they have heard or dealt with this piece of hardware`
`19:50.33`	`amorphix`	`asg: it would be easier to get a free ride to the moon with NASA than get any sense by calling their tech support`
`19:50.48`	`mtnman`	`norbert_: can you try running discover or rebooting with the cd drive installed?`
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`19:50.50`	`dippo_`	`does anyone know if there's a debian package that provides anything to wrap a php module in a debian package?`
`19:50.51`	`stew`	`Norbert_: try installing hotplug and discover`
`19:51.06`	`dippo_`	`i.e. the results of doing "phpize; ./configure; make; make install" for a php module`
`19:51.09`	`amorphix`	`asg: if I am using router as the gateway, do I still need to have 2 nic's in my server?`
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`19:51.17`	`asg`	`dippo_: checkinstall`
`19:51.32`	`amorphix`	`for inbound an outbound traffic to the switches?`
`19:51.35`	`asg`	`amorphix: no`
`19:51.38`	`amorphix`	`ok`
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`19:51.54`	`dippo_`	`hm`
`19:51.57`	`hacabrera071`	`Can you please give me a hand setting up my video Card? I already installed Debian Sarge on my Dell Optiplex GX150, but the graphics are not running... :(`
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`19:52.05`	`amorphix`	`right`
`19:52.08`	`asg`	`hacabrera071: what chipset is it?`
`19:52.15`	`asg`	`hacabrera071: use lscpi to find out`
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`19:52.18`	`amorphix`	`I'm gonna have to take drastic action and pull this network apart and start again`
`19:52.29`	`hacabrera071`	`asg: Thanks, Let me check!!! :)`
`19:52.30`	`amorphix`	`I need the router behind the server its the only way`
`19:52.38`	`asg`	`amorphix: start simple. Get one thing working first and then add other pieces.`
`19:52.42`	`amorphix`	`ok`
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`19:53.07`	`amorphix`	`I think the best way is the same setup I had before, but with the router disabled and just using static IP and switching capability`
`19:53.08`	`wazzles`	`asg: thank you!`
`19:53.13`	`asg`	`hacabrera071: I think the GX150s are Intels so the i810 module should be used.`
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`19:53.23`	`asg`	`wazzles: that work?`
`19:53.23`	`Norbert_`	`stew: okay, installed both hotplug and discover (hotplug was already newest version, discover removed discover1 and installed discover)`
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`19:53.31`	`amorphix`	`that way only internal traffic will be handled thru it and the Linux server will do DHCP as before`
`19:53.41`	`iss`	`hmm... ok`
`19:53.44`	`dippo_`	`asg: thanks`
`19:53.46`	`amorphix`	`asg: seems reasonable?`
`19:53.48`	`iss`	`I'm running x.org on a sparc.`
`19:53.54`	`hacabrera071`	`asg: I did select that one, but it didn't work`
`19:53.59`	`iss`	`and i'm using a type5 keyboard.`
`19:54.03`	`asg`	`hacabrera071: hmm, try vesa also then`
`19:54.09`	`hacabrera071`	`asg: ok`
`19:54.09`	`wazzles`	`asg: so far so good!`
`19:54.13`	`asg`	`wazzles: cool`
`19:54.24`	`asg`	`amorphix: sounds good to me`
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`19:56.31`	`iss`	`hmm... when i try a different layout that us, the keys are replaced`
`19:56.31`	`hacabrera071`	`asg: What is the command to launch the wizard? I jost forgot... :)`
`19:56.31`	`asg`	`hacabrera071: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86`
`19:56.31`	`iss`	`When i press f, i get a d`
`19:56.31`	`asg`	`hacabrera071: or xserver-xorg (if you are using xorg)`
`19:56.31`	`iss`	`when i press d i get a s`
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`19:56.32`	`iss`	`why is that?`
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`19:56.32`	`asg`	`iss: people in other countries have an odd view of the universe?`
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`19:56.33`	`amorphix`	`asg: there is no real benefit to using the router to be the gateway/dhcp client over linux anyway eh?`
`19:56.33`	`amorphix`	`ok maybe it takes a bit of load off the server`
`19:56.33`	`amorphix`	`but asides?`
`19:56.35`	`amorphix`	`I need to get this right this time, I'm not gonna waste another day on this if im better off buying another router`
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`19:57.00`	`Norbert_`	`stew: any ideas...?`
`19:57.05`	`amorphix`	`sheesh`
`19:57.09`	`amorphix`	`here we go`
`19:57.26`	`asg`	`amorphix: you get more flexibility with linux or any other custom router at the expense of complexity`
`19:57.43`	`amorphix`	`ok`
`19:57.44`	`asg`	`amorphix: also, for really high load routers (multi Gig) custom hardware is preferrable.`
`19:57.52`	`hacabrera071`	`asg: I already reconfigure it... It is restarting right now... :)`
`19:57.59`	`amorphix`	`so the Linux route is better than`
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`19:58.20`	`amorphix`	`and if my server gets too busy I can just get another server eh`
`19:58.27`	`asg`	`amorphix: it is if you can't get your commercial router to work correctly.`
`19:58.34`	`amorphix`	`heh`
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`19:58.44`	`amorphix`	`but i could buy another good brand`
`19:58.54`	`amorphix`	`i just wanna be sure if its worth it`
`19:59.25`	`asg`	`amorphix: most anything purchased can be returned in a reasonable amount of time (check their policy)`
`20:00.04`	`amorphix`	`ok`
`20:00.33`	`mtnman`	`norbert_: have you tried a reboot with the cd installed and not the floppy?`
`20:01.01`	`Norbert_`	`mntman: several times... yes`
`20:01.08`	`deadcat`	`i am trying to use mencoder to record tv, but i cant get sound. #mplayer is useless`
`20:01.30`	`dippo_`	`the only downside of using checkinstall for building a php module is that it won't automatically add/remove it from /etc/apache/modules.conf`
`20:01.38`	`mtnman`	`norbert_: since you installed hotplug/discover?`
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`20:02.04`	`Norbert_`	`mtnman: hotplug was already installed... discover just replaced discover1...`
`20:02.34`	`Initiate`	`how can i install cyrillic in debian ? ... i have fonts installed but when i start a movie the subtitles are still messed up :/`
`20:02.46`	`mtnman`	`norbert_: seems the problem is that your kernel does not recognize the cd, since dmesg doesn't make mention of it.`
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`20:03.07`	`Norbert_`	`mtnman: yeah, I'm already downloading a 2.6 kernel from kernel.org`
`20:03.15`	`mtnman`	`inititate: what movie player?`
`20:03.25`	`hacabrera071`	`asg: I just found that it is not finding the /dev/input/mice so I guess it has a problem with my mouse`
`20:03.38`	`Initiate`	`mtnman, totem`
`20:03.43`	`asg`	`hacabrera071: ah, 2.6 kernel?`
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`20:04.08`	`hacabrera071`	`asg: no, it is 2.4... The one that comes from factory with Debian ISOs`
`20:04.13`	`mtnman`	`initiate: not familiar with that one. i know, for e.g. that mplayer likes to have its own font package installeed.`
`20:04.20`	`asg`	`hacabrera071: oh, configure it to use /dev/psaux and you should be fine`
`20:04.35`	`hacabrera071`	`asg: Ok, Let me try it :)`
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`20:04.52`	`mtnman`	`norbert_: i would suggest installing a debian kernel, rather than compiling from kernel.org`
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`20:05.11`	`Norbert-`	`mntman: oh... okay, how to do that, with apt-get you mean?`
`20:05.12`	`ism`	`I have installed 2 optical drives but now I dont know which one the right one is? it is not /dev/cdrom ...`
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`20:05.31`	`fbi`	`Initiate: i believe totem uses whatever subtitle fonts xine uses, look into xine's fonts.`
`20:05.33`	`mtnman`	`norbert-: yes. apt-cache search kernel-image will give you some candidates.`
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`20:05.55`	`hacabrera071`	`asg: DAMN!!!! It Worked!!!`
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`20:06.03`	`hacabrera071`	`asg: Thank you so much brother!!! :)`
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`20:06.43`	`Norbert-`	`mtnman: okay, installing 2.4-686`
`20:06.47`	`hacabrera071`	`asg: the mouse was the one that was messing up the XFree`
`20:06.52`	`ajeet`	`Hello, recently I installed Debian via the net-install CD, only to find a text-login, do I have to do some sort of apt-get gnome to install a DE?`
`20:06.55`	`hacabrera071`	`asg: Thank you brother!!! :)`
`20:07.04`	`fbi`	`ajeet: install a display manager`
`20:07.05`	`Norbert-`	`mtnman: ehm, that's already the latest version... so, I should go for 2.6?`
`20:07.14`	`mtnman`	`ajeet: you need to at least install x-window-system-core`
`20:07.27`	`Initiate`	`fbi, how do i do that - look in xine fonts ?`
`20:07.28`	`thandavarayan`	`ajeet: Hi you probably should install xserver to get graphical display`
`20:07.39`	`ajeet`	`fbi: so after logging in, i should apt-get x-window-system-core?`
`20:07.44`	`mtnman`	`norbert_: um, 2.4 should be okay. i can't really comment on 2.6, since i don't run it on any machine.`
`20:07.51`	`fbi`	`Initiate: no idea, check the xine homepage maybe?`
`20:07.56`	`thandavarayan`	`ajeet: may be xfree86`
`20:07.59`	`Initiate`	`thanks fbi`
`20:08.02`	`fbi`	`ajeet: if you don't have X installed, then yes`
`20:08.07`	`Norbert-`	`mtnman: but... the 2.4 is the currently installed version...`
`20:08.18`	`ajeet`	`well i won't have x, if it's a net-install`
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`20:08.35`	`fbi`	`ajeet: you would if you had selected Desktop environment packages`
`20:08.39`	`thandavarayan`	`ajeet: yes, net-install is very small image`
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`20:08.46`	`ism`	`whats the reference to my cdroms drives? I have 2.`
`20:09.10`	`thandavarayan`	`ajeet: rest you have to pull from the http or ftp server.`
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`20:09.25`	`hacabrera071`	`asg: See you... Thanks!!! :)`
`20:09.27`	`ajeet`	`fbi: i never had any option to choose any packages when installing?!`
`20:09.36`	`valdyn`	`ajeet: apt-get install x-window-system-core gnome kde whatever else`
`20:09.36`	`fbi`	`thandavarayan: if you select Desktop environment, X is installed.`
`20:09.43`	`thandavarayan`	`ajeet: you don't have that option.`
`20:09.52`	`ajeet`	`I also had problems setting up my network card?`
`20:10.11`	`thandavarayan`	`ajeet: for that you need to configure the apt-get first`
`20:10.13`	`ajeet`	`how do i find out what ethernet card i need?`
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`20:10.36`	`thandavarayan`	`ajeet: question is very general..need to be more specific.`
`20:10.57`	`fbi`	`ajeet: the debian installer should have set up the network for you, if your network card is supported`
`20:11.16`	`mtnman`	`norbert-: could be a config issue. i didn't realize until late in the conversation that you were talking about a laptop.`
`20:11.29`	`Norbert-`	`mntman: ok`
`20:11.46`	`asg`	`ajeet: the output of lspci is helpful for tracking down your card's chipset`
`20:11.49`	`ism`	`I have installed 2 optical drives but now I dont know which one the right one is? it is not /dev/cdrom ...`
`20:12.07`	`mtnman`	`norbert-: i think the first thing to figure out is why dmesg doesn't make mention of the cdrom`
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`20:13.44`	`mtnman`	`ism: primary or secondary controller?`
`20:14.13`	`ism`	`mtnman: I think it's secondary controller. it's a pioneer dvd rom`
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`20:14.52`	`mtnman`	`ism: secondary controller is /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd. do dmesg\|grep cd and check for sure.`
`20:15.13`	`ism`	`mtnman: thank you!!`
`20:15.37`	`mtnman`	`ism: let me know if it works out for you`
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`20:15.59`	`nullvoid`	`thank you all`
`20:16.15`	`mtnman`	`ism: and you're welcome!`
`20:17.02`	`iss`	`i'm running out of nerves... i just destroyed my keyboard...`
`20:17.25`	`iss`	`i have installed many, many linuxes, and some bsds...`
`20:17.36`	`iss`	`but i never came across such a thing...`
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`20:18.03`	`mtnman`	`iss: have you read the debian install guide/manual? i would be surprised if there was no discussion of usb-keyboards during installation.`
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`20:18.46`	`ism`	`mtnman: no it doesnt work. dmesg didn't get me details about cd. are you sure it's a /dev/hd? ? it's a dvd optical cd rom`
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`20:19.23`	`mtnman`	`ism: if it is secondary controller, it is either hdc or hdd. try dmesg\|grep CD (capital CD this time)`
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`20:20.09`	`iss`	`mtnman: it's a sun keyboard...`
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`20:20.32`	`ism`	`mtnman: there is something about a Sony Drive, that is my first CD Rom but I am looking for the second Pioneer DVD Rom`
`20:20.40`	`mtnman`	`iss: well, same advice. read the install docs.`
`20:20.59`	`mtnman`	`ism: are you sure all cables are connected? (power and the ribbon)`
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`20:21.20`	`frankyd`	`i'm searching for a tool which is able to burn my iso image - i dont know which package i should search for`
`20:21.35`	`mtnman`	`frankyd: k3b works over here.`
`20:21.36`	`ism`	`mtnman: I am yes. are there any other choices?`
`20:21.42`	`frankyd`	`thnx`
`20:22.08`	`dli_`	`which commad to add /bin/bash for a user`
`20:22.11`	`mtnman`	`ism: well, if dmesg doesn't mention the drive, the kernel doesn't know it is there, afaik.`
`20:22.17`	`asg`	`dli_: chsh`
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`20:22.22`	`dli_`	`asg: thanks`
`20:22.24`	`Haukr`	`erm i was going to install it`
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`20:22.27`	`Haukr`	`debian`
`20:22.33`	`asg`	`dli_: vipw works also`
`20:22.33`	`Haukr`	`but i have like 6 partitions`
`20:22.39`	`Haukr`	`i dont know wich one is suse :(`
`20:22.40`	`ism`	`mtnman: does dmesg display all mesg from booting up?`
`20:22.48`	`mtnman`	`ism: most all`
`20:23.00`	`spoopin`	`asg: How are you looking for tonight?`
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`20:23.21`	`ism`	`mtnman: weird. isn't there any cmd to display are current known ide drives?`
`20:23.24`	`asg`	`spoopin: I'm still working on David's thing and Sherri wants to go out so I'm going to have to pass :(`
`20:23.26`	`mtnman`	`ism: you could also make sure that the drive is enabled in bios.`
`20:23.51`	`spoopin`	`asg: You make me sad. So be it.`
`20:24.01`	`asg`	`spoopin: onward patsy!`
`20:24.03`	`Haukr`	`Yo can somone tell me how to check wich partition i have linux on?`
`20:24.11`	`asg`	`Haukr: fdisk -l`
`20:24.19`	`ism`	`mtnman: alright, I'll check that hardware part first. I'll be telling you later.`
`20:24.20`	`spoopin`	`asg: quite. Your posty config is amazing.`
`20:24.31`	`mtnman`	`ism: good luck!`
`20:24.40`	`asg`	`spoopin: it's an ugly hack but it works. The upgrade to 4 will make it more elegant`
`20:24.46`	`Haukr`	`wtf`
`20:25.00`	`Haukr`	`asg...`
`20:25.15`	`spoopin`	`asg: yep. Tell sherri I'm frowning at her....`
`20:25.20`	`Haukr`	`bash not found`
`20:25.21`	`free-love`	`so guys hows deb?`
`20:25.27`	`free-love`	`is deb doing well?`
`20:25.32`	`asg`	`spoopin: she had a bit of a bad day`
`20:25.34`	`free-love`	`anyone her using openACS on deb`
`20:25.47`	`mtnman`	`!tell free-love about polls`
`20:25.50`	`Haukr`	`asg: fdisk -l bash command not found`
`20:25.55`	`spoopin`	`asg: Ok, then. I take it back.`
`20:25.56`	`asg`	`Haukr: as root`
`20:26.04`	`free-love`	`whats polls`
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`20:26.17`	`beardy`	`Haukr: /sbin/fdisk as user works I think, to list at least`
`20:26.21`	`asg`	`spoopin: anything blow up today that they didn't tell me about?`
`20:26.23`	`free-love`	`oh`
`20:26.28`	`mtnman`	`!tell free-love about bad polls`
`20:26.41`	`free-love`	`ok ok`
`20:26.42`	`free-love`	`lol`
`20:26.44`	`spoopin`	`asg: not that I know of. Pretty quiet both today and yesterday.`
`20:26.45`	`free-love`	`well`
`20:26.50`	`Haukr`	`mm well theres linux then linux swap / solaris`
`20:26.53`	`asg`	`spoopin: good, good`
`20:26.58`	`mtnman`	`free-love: please try to put more than one work on a line.`
`20:27.05`	`mtnman`	`*word, that is...`
`20:27.06`	`asg`	`Haukr: then the one that says 'linux' is the one on which linux lives`
`20:27.14`	`Haukr`	`whats the other one?`
`20:27.22`	`asg`	`Haukr: swap`
`20:27.28`	`Haukr`	`gee really?`
`20:27.30`	`Haukr`	`what does it do`
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`20:27.36`	`asg`	`Haukr: virtual memory`
`20:27.41`	`Haukr`	`mmm ok`
`20:27.49`	`Haukr`	`it dont say wich partition its on tho`
`20:27.51`	`Haukr`	`it just says linux`
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`20:28.00`	`Haukr`	`but in the debain installer it dont say linux`
`20:28.13`	`abrotman`	`Haukr: XP has a page file which does the same`
`20:28.15`	`asg`	`Haukr: then use df or look in /etc/fstab`
`20:28.22`	`surfdue`	`hi`
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`20:28.44`	`Haukr`	`msn i fuckin hate windows`
`20:28.57`	`asg`	`spoopin: talk later`
`20:29.12`	`Haukr`	`if ma parents didnt like it so much i would wipe that and have a duel boot for linux`
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`20:30.16`	`cureless`	`yes, a duel boot is always entertaining.`
`20:30.22`	`Haukr`	`i have one`
`20:30.24`	`md5sum`	`what is the dpkg command line to find out what files and where a package installs?`
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`20:30.33`	`Haukr`	`just i would have debain instead of windows`
`20:30.38`	`mtnman`	`duel boot is always a battle. dual boot is easier.`
`20:30.48`	`Haukr`	`rofl`
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`20:31.18`	`cureless`	`its a duel boot with debain.`
`20:31.26`	`Haukr`	`what ever`
`20:31.27`	`mtnman`	`haukr: iirc, there is a dual-boot howto at tldp.org. even a windows specifig one.`
`20:31.37`	`Haukr`	`God dammit guys`
`20:31.40`	`Haukr`	`i know how to fucking do that`
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`20:31.51`	`Haukr`	`i just would rather have debain then windows!`
`20:31.51`	`mtnman`	`cureless: the duel is between debian and windoze for control of the mbr`
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`20:32.34`	`Haukr`	`your correct`
`20:32.36`	`dimir_`	`Is there anyone successfully installed Debian IA64?`
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`20:33.18`	`abrotman`	`!ia64`
`20:33.18`	`dpkg`	`hmm... ia64 is the new Intel Architecture, "Itanium", which seems pretty cool. or ages behind rs64-II , see also http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/.`
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`20:35.11`	`cmdKeen`	`I have a strange problem, but it makes me mad... when i press search button in synaptic, default value is name and conten instead of content only... how can i change that ?`
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`20:36.25`	`phogg`	`people actually use synaptic?`
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`20:36.31`	`abrotman`	`yes`
`20:36.33`	`chealer`	`phogg, indeed`
`20:36.35`	`abrotman`	`not me .. but yes`
`20:36.48`	`phogg`	`weirdos`
`20:36.54`	`dimir_`	`yeah.`
`20:37.02`	`abrotman`	`hey .. there's even people that use aptitude`
`20:37.03`	`chealer`	`cmdKeen, hehe, I don't think there's a way, but it already changed for me. it's currently name only (testing, sarge too)`
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`20:37.08`	`cureless`	`didn't ubuntu create a synaptic thingie?`
`20:37.15`	`abrotman`	`steal?`
`20:37.22`	`cureless`	`semantics.`
`20:37.27`	`chealer`	`phogg, perhaps you prefer kpackage?`
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`20:37.34`	`abrotman`	`gnome-apt!`
`20:37.39`	`chealer`	`cureless, what kind of thingie?`
`20:37.40`	`mtnman`	`can't "steal" free software... how about "borrowed" ?`
`20:37.48`	`phogg`	`chealer: ahahahh`
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`20:38.08`	`cureless`	`chealer: I don't know, I don't use ubuntu, but I remember some bullet point about some new package manager or something.`
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`20:38.51`	`chealer`	`cureless, ? AFAIK synaptic would be ubuntu's graphical package manager`
`20:39.02`	`phogg`	`cureless: I think that's just their "Is my system up to date?" utility`
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`20:39.16`	`cureless`	`ahh, ok.`
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`20:39.30`	`last_kaiowa`	`hi, i have recently install debian amd64 but when im trying to compile i get that ncurses-devel mising, i tried to install it but it said that packadges isnt for amd , any help??`
`20:39.33`	`PupenoL`	`Hello.`
`20:39.45`	`phogg`	`But I've seen some screenshots!`
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`20:39.56`	`chealer`	`last_kaiowa, paste the exact error`
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`20:40.25`	`PupenoL`	`I have a Debian 3.1 that I want to migrate to Linux 2.6. I currently have both, but the 2.6 doesn't boot. I get: pivot_root: No such file or directory^M/sbin/ini: 432: cannot open /dev/console: No such file^Mkernel panic: Attempted to kill init! Any ideas ?`
`20:40.37`	`cmdKeen`	`chealer: hehe, it suddenly after months of etheral agony changed now:) thank goddess !`
`20:40.48`	`chealer`	`PupenoL, which 2.6 is it%`
`20:41.10`	`PupenoL`	`chealer: a second, I lost my ssh to the server.`
`20:41.18`	`PupenoL`	`(the lattest stable BTW).`
`20:41.22`	`chealer`	`cmdKeen, haha, looks like what happened to me. after restarting synaptic too?`
`20:41.24`	`cureless`	`PupenoL: is it your own compiled version?`
`20:41.33`	`ism`	`mtnman: okay, I have checked everything, the drive is hdb, I cant mount it, but where is it then?`
`20:41.49`	`PupenoL`	`chealer: 2.6.8-16.`
`20:41.58`	`PupenoL`	`cureless: No, it it the Debian's pacakge.`
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`20:42.08`	`mtnman`	`ism: /dev/hdb is primary slave`
`20:42.13`	`chealer`	`PupenoL, so it's a stock 2.6.8-16?`
`20:42.26`	`ism`	`mtnman: yes, but how do I access it now? it is mounted already`
`20:42.33`	`PupenoL`	`chealer: yes (the 686 version, it is a Pentium 4).`
`20:42.39`	`mtnman`	`ism: what mount point did you specify?`
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`20:42.55`	`cmdKeen`	`cmdKeen: exactly:) i set it to what i wanted and then pressed all what could be pressed and it remains after restart now. There are thingse between earth and sky....`
`20:43.10`	`chealer`	`PupenoL, hum`
`20:43.13`	`mtnman`	`ism: mount (with no arguments) will tell you all mounts and their mount-points`
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`20:43.16`	`abrotman`	`cmdKeen: stop talking to yourself`
`20:43.30`	`fbi`	`abrotman: stop playing with yourself`
`20:43.35`	`abrotman`	`fbi: are you santa?`
`20:43.46`	`fbi`	`yes, and you aren't getting any toys.`
`20:43.52`	`abrotman`	`shoot`
`20:43.57`	`abrotman`	`!kill santa`
`20:44.02`	`ism`	`mtnman: okay, I didnt specify any mountpoint - that's the error I guess`
`20:44.03`	`PupenoL`	`I bet I am missing something, for instance, udev wasn't installed when I installed 2.6.`
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`20:44.21`	`mtnman`	`ism: man mount for details`
`20:44.21`	`abrotman`	`PupenoL: udev isn't required by 2.6 in sarge`
`20:44.22`	`chealer`	`PupenoL, it's not supposed to be`
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`20:44.38`	`mtnman`	`ism: but you'll probably want something like "mound /dev/hdb /mnt"`
`20:44.46`	`mtnman`	`*mount, that is`
`20:45.44`	`chealer`	`cmdKeen, well good for you :)`
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`20:47.34`	`madclicker`	`does anyone know if bind or named has a channel?`
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`20:48.29`	`stew`	`#dns`
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`20:49.21`	`SlimG`	`I don't know how to setup my sata raid controller (sil img 3114) in sarge, it's two disks that's already setup in raid0 with ext2 fs, could anyone help me with this?`
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`20:50.17`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`hey all. Im trying to get my 3ware module to compile when I do a make-kpkg modules_image. Im not having much luck. This is a generic linux source, so is there a way to get a debian package created for this module or am I wasting my time?`
`20:50.26`	`abrotman`	`SlimG: setup for what ?`
`20:50.30`	`dieeasy`	`hello! can someone help me on setting up an Epson LQ.100 on CUPS? I read on wiki.debian.org, but that way I'm not able to make it work.. thnx!`
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`20:50.40`	`abrotman`	`ToMMY2ooo: module-assistant ?`
`20:50.52`	`abrotman`	`!m-a`
`20:50.52`	`dpkg`	`well, module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or the daddy, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential`
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`20:51.07`	`SlimG`	`abrotman: raid0`
`20:51.10`	`PerfDave`	`What's a 3ware module?`
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`20:51.34`	`abrotman`	`SlimG: i know .. you said that .. setup for what? /home/ /opt/ /pr0n/ ?`
`20:51.41`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`PerfDave: sorry, its a kernel driver for a 3ware SATA card`
`20:51.46`	`abrotman`	`PerfDave: driver for kernel`
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`20:52.15`	`SlimG`	`abrotman: oh, /home/`
`20:52.20`	`PerfDave`	`ToMMY2ooo: It's not supported in Linux directly?`
`20:52.27`	`abrotman`	`SlimG: didn't you create a /home/ during the install ?`
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`20:52.39`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`abrotman: thanks for the tip..I have already got it working I was just seeing if I could get the make-kpkg commandline thing to work`
`20:53.09`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`and yes I think it is supported in linux already, but I have the new 9500 card with a new firmware so I thought I would keep it all new`
`20:53.20`	`abrotman`	`SlimG: it's a sw raid0 drive ?`
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`20:53.54`	`abrotman`	`what a horrible quit message :)`
`20:54.09`	`mtnman`	`abrotman: indeed`
`20:54.17`	`md5sum`	`apt-getted?`
`20:54.21`	`md5sum`	`wtf`
`20:54.22`	`abrotman`	`--removed ?`
`20:54.25`	`md5sum`	`lol`
`20:54.35`	`mtnman`	`md5sum: it is not a word nor a linux command`
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`20:55.00`	`abrotman`	`i mean .. --remove is valid and all . but that's just silly`
`20:55.25`	`md5sum`	`apt-getted upgrade common-sense language-skills`
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`20:55.29`	`abrotman`	`why would you use dpkg to remove and apt-get to install .. and why would you use apt-get if you didn't clean your cache!`
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`20:55.37`	`SlimG`	`abrotman: oh i misunderstood, i'm supposed to mount it i something like /fileserver/ or something like it`
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`20:55.53`	`abrotman`	`SlimG: now you're making less sense :)`
`20:56.02`	`abrotman`	`SlimG: it's not /home/ or anything ?`
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`20:56.23`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`Im not sure how module-assistant is useful`
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`20:56.29`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`Im sure it might be...but perhaps not for me`
`20:57.22`	`abrotman`	`!moo`
`20:57.22`	`dpkg`	`mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo.`
`20:57.39`	`SlimG`	`abrotman: im supposed to setup a fileserver, i just need to mount the raid0 somewhere so i can reach it trough the network and store files, but all debian sees is two separate disks`
`20:57.53`	`abrotman`	`SlimG: ah .. are oyu done installing yet?`
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`20:58.35`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`SlimG: you need to use the BIOS options in the card to get the two discs setup..ot the utility that your card manufacturer might provide`
`20:58.37`	`SlimG`	`abrotman: sarge is already installed`
`20:58.53`	`abrotman`	`SlimG: and the drives already contain data?`
`20:59.12`	`shad0wcat`	`hmm`
`20:59.16`	`shad0wcat`	`!info anaconda`
`20:59.19`	`abrotman`	`ToMMY2ooo: sw raid`
`20:59.24`	`SlimG`	`abrotman: yes, thy already contain one ext3 partition`
`20:59.32`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`ah right :)`
`20:59.53`	`abrotman`	`SlimG: well .. i hope you remember all the md config stuff .. you'll have to set that up and try to mount the drives .. MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A BACKUP before starting`
`20:59.54`	`FrdFlint`	`yes yes yes finally my scanner works with debian :)`
`21:00.23`	`SlimG`	`abrotman: isn't md for software raid?`
`21:00.31`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`one word of advice with raid...as you have raid you instantly increase your chances of having a disc fail on you a the worst time possible`
`21:00.56`	`shad0wcat`	`bah`
`21:01.13`	`abrotman`	`SlimG: i thought you told me it was software raid`
`21:01.14`	`abrotman`	`!`
`21:01.32`	`abrotman`	`SlimG: and you realize RAID0 is the worst raid you can use .. right ?`
`21:01.35`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`hehe`
`21:01.40`	`abrotman`	`since .. well .. it's not really R-AID`
`21:01.50`	`shad0wcat`	`raid0 sucks`
`21:01.54`	`shad0wcat`	`!raid0`
`21:01.54`	`dpkg`	`hmm... raid0 is the wrong choice, the worst solution of several options to solve the same problem (see lvm). It is also a misnomer, since the R of RAID is for Redundant, and RAID0 isn't.`
`21:01.57`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`raid 0+1 is good`
`21:02.07`	`shad0wcat`	`ToMMY2ooo: no, raid5 is good`
`21:02.13`	`shad0wcat`	`raid0+1is a cheap copy`
`21:02.16`	`stew`	`shad0wcat: not if you need write speed`
`21:02.25`	`abrotman`	`raid1 is fine .. raid0+1 is acceptable .. raid5 is fine`
`21:02.27`	`shad0wcat`	`stew: see raid5`
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`21:02.35`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`well yeah.. goes witrhout saying`
`21:02.38`	`abrotman`	`raid5 has bad write speed`
`21:02.43`	`abrotman`	`nto bad .. but not good`
`21:02.47`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`but for speed and fault tolerance 0+1 is good...expensive tho`
`21:02.56`	`stew`	`shad0wcat: yes, raid5 is much worse than raid 1+0 if you need good write speed and you have the budget of a mere mortal`
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`21:02.59`	`SlimG`	`abrotman: i use raid0 uintil i get 3 new disks so i can setup raid5, uintil then i use raid0 for best bandwith`
`21:03.12`	`abrotman`	`SlimG: ok .. if you say so .. it's hardware raid ?`
`21:03.26`	`debugger`	`it normal that "apt-get install apache" (apache 1.3) installs the apache2-utils package?`
`21:03.26`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`raid 5 can be done on 3 drives`
`21:03.28`	`abrotman`	`ToMMY2ooo: 0+1 has bad speed also .. for writing`
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`21:03.36`	`abrotman`	`ToMMY2ooo: he has two drives .. keep up in back`
`21:03.41`	`Thais2`	`hola`
`21:03.44`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`sorry`
`21:03.44`	`SlimG`	`abrotman: it's a silicon iamge 3114 sata raid pci card`
`21:03.44`	`Thais2`	`buenas noches`
`21:03.44`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`:)`
`21:03.49`	`dli_`	`SlimG: can you just add new discs to your existing raid?`
`21:03.49`	`stew`	`i get 60mb/s on raid1+0 and 13mb/s on raid5`
`21:03.52`	`PupenoL`	`apparently nobody is sure what that error is with the kernel 2.6 and most say that it is a fault of how the Debian's kernel is built.`
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`21:04.04`	`dli_`	`stew: how to test the speed`
`21:04.11`	`stew`	`dli_: bonnie++`
`21:04.16`	`shad0wcat`	`hmm`
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`21:04.17`	`shad0wcat`	`there we go`
`21:04.18`	`abrotman`	`SlimG: that is NOT hardware raid`
`21:04.19`	`shad0wcat`	`raid6`
`21:04.30`	`abrotman`	`PupenoL: email the debian-kernel list`
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`21:04.49`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`I have just set up an 8 drive raid 5 array on a dual zeon 3ghz server, 2.08 terrabytes...Im gonna do some speed tests tomorow`
`21:04.50`	`abrotman`	`stew: hardware or software ?`
`21:05.09`	`abrotman`	`cause the .08 .. that's a lot of warez`
`21:05.19`	`eds01`	`what would be the command to get the tar file for mozilla off of a zip drive?`
`21:05.23`	`shad0wcat`	`lol`
`21:05.24`	`SlimG`	`abrotman: i know your right since youre the smart one here but i can't help but wondering, what's not hw raid about it?`
`21:05.26`	`stew`	`abrotman: hardware, 3ware 7800`
`21:05.52`	`abrotman`	`SlimG: you're`
`21:05.54`	`stew`	`abrotman: on a 4x80 gig 7200rpm drives on a 64 bit bus`
`21:06.00`	`abrotman`	`stew: i was just wondering ..`
`21:06.02`	`dli_`	`stew: a cmdline for bonnie++ for ext3 on a scsi-raid5 ?`
`21:06.13`	`abrotman`	`SlimG: it's not a true hardware raid controller`
`21:06.15`	`abrotman`	`!sata faq`
`21:06.15`	`dpkg`	`http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html , or http://linux.yyz.us/sata/`
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`21:06.37`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`has anyone got any bad stories about 3ware cards?`
`21:06.38`	`stew`	`dli_: iirc it was bonnie++ /path/to/tmpdir, check the manpage`
`21:06.43`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`I have heard lots of good stuff`
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`21:07.02`	`stew`	`ToMMY2ooo: i've had nothing but great times with mine, i haven't had one newer than a 7800 however`
`21:07.12`	`abrotman`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:07.13`	`elirips`	`hello. is there anything available for linux that lets me extract a password-protected .rar-file?`
`21:07.14`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`mines the new 9500SX 8 channel`
`21:07.15`	`licued`	`hellp all`
`21:07.23`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`so far f**kin fantastic`
`21:07.35`	`stew`	`ToMMY2ooo: maybe i'll buy it from you on ebay in like 8 years`
`21:07.36`	`InterLNK`	`any thoughts on why an unpartitioned 250gig HD would get recognized as 137gigs? 2.4 kernel?`
`21:07.44`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`been pulling drives out of the server watching it send me emails`
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`21:07.56`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`then putting it back in while transfering over gigabit`
`21:07.56`	`eds01`	`so how would i get firefox installed from a zip drive (i have the tar file on it)? is there a command for it?`
`21:08.05`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`see what it can cope with`
`21:08.10`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`seems to hanbdle it perfectly`
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`21:08.16`	`abrotman`	`eds01: apt-get install mozilla-firefox ?`
`21:08.17`	`SlimG`	`abrotman: thanx alot, you've helped me alot, i guess i just have to stick my nose into a mdadm tutorial?`
`21:08.24`	`eds01`	`oh`
`21:08.26`	`eds01`	`ok`
`21:08.30`	`eds01`	`thanks`
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`21:08.45`	`fbi`	`firefox tar.gz on a zip drive. that's wrong for multiple reasons.`
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`21:08.53`	`abrotman`	`SlimG: i think .. i don't use sw raid .. it's too much hassle :)`
`21:09.04`	`licued`	`I have a Debian 2.4 Box and I can't Delete an ARP entry for some reason, I have 4 computers on a switch... and only one of them works... and the one that works is the one who's arp I can't delete`
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`21:09.12`	`licued`	`anyone know why this could be?`
`21:09.23`	`thandavarayan`	`eds01: apt-get install mozilla-firefox will install debian package of firefox...I am not sure about the tar file`
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`21:09.41`	`Lilldude_`	`new drive how do i transfer stuff from ld one over to new one`
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`21:10.17`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`lilldude: cp /olddrive /newdrive ?`
`21:10.20`	`mtnman`	`lilldude_: read the hard-disk upgrade mini-howto at tldp.org`
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`21:10.47`	`mtnman`	`tommy2ooo: there is a little more to it than that.`
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`21:10.50`	`xTina`	`I have an automounted filesystem here that is exported "-nosuid". When I mount it on Debian, files with the sguid bit set (mode 2600 for example) are considered read-only (i.e. I get a "write-protected" warning when trying to delete and EACCES when trying to write the file). On an old Fedora-1 box, this works just fine. Anyone have an idea what's different on Debian?`
`21:10.54`	`SlimG`	`abrotman: well thanks again, you made my hwraid hell softer :) have a splendid day!`
`21:10.54`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`:) I know...Im being an ass`
`21:11.06`	`abrotman`	`hwraid hell ?`
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`21:11.34`	`SlimG`	`abrotman: turned out to be a softraid :)`
`21:11.34`	`andydavid`	`join/#ubuntu-es`
`21:11.40`	`abrotman`	`SlimG: i told you that! :)`
`21:11.46`	`fbi`	`me/tries this command`
`21:11.59`	`SlimG`	`abrotman: i know`
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`21:12.20`	`abrotman`	`andydavid: /join #ubuntu`
`21:12.25`	`abrotman`	`andydavid: /join #ubuntu-es`
`21:12.34`	`mtnman`	`xtina: the obvious solution would be to remount rw`
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`21:12.44`	`xTina`	`mtnman: It is mounted rw.`
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`21:12.48`	`andydavid`	`then you`
`21:13.02`	`xTina`	`mtnman: Any file that does not have the sguid bit set can be worked with just fine.`
`21:13.04`	`mtnman`	`xtina: or rather don't mount it nosuid`
`21:13.14`	`xTina`	`mtnman: That's outside my control.`
`21:13.22`	`xTina`	`mtnman: It's a server setting.`
`21:13.28`	`Norbert-`	`my laptop is going beep beep-beep`
`21:13.32`	`xTina`	`mtnman: Besides, this shouldn`
`21:13.39`	`licued`	`I have a Debian 2.4 Box and I can't Delete an ARP entry for some reason, I have 4 computers on a switch... and only one of them works... and the one that works is the one who's arp I can't delete .. my setup is as follows Main Gateway <<-->> Linux Router/Firewall <<-->> Switch <<-->> A bunch of computers`
`21:13.40`	`mtnman`	`xtina: well, if you can't mount it w/o nosuid, then i guess you have a problem.`
`21:13.42`	`xTina`	`'t affect the writeability of files, should it?`
`21:13.42`	`licued`	`anyone have a clue?`
`21:13.54`	`Norbert-`	`after the beep beep beep when starting, when I wait some time, I can start it again, but then suddenly X hangs`
`21:13.57`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`Norbert-: did you name it roadrunner?`
`21:14.07`	`Norbert-`	`ToMMY2ooo: nope, stimpy`
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`21:14.17`	`Norbert-`	`ToMMY2ooo: so, I expected cooler sound effects`
`21:14.21`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`haha`
`21:14.21`	`PerfDave`	`Norbert-: This happens during boot, yes? What's on the screen at any given time?`
`21:14.21`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`:)`
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`21:14.33`	`Norbert-`	`PerfDave: all black`
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`21:14.46`	`Norbert-`	`PerfDave: if I wait, sometimes I can boot again, log-in, but after a few minutes X hangs`
`21:14.58`	`PerfDave`	`Norbert-: So you don't boot Linux at all?`
`21:14.59`	`dli_`	`Norbert-: beeping during POST? check memory, keyboard, hdd`
`21:15.23`	`Norbert-`	`dli: it's a laptop`
`21:15.27`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`Norbert-: sounds like it could be a ram issue to me, but I would check everything you can`
`21:15.28`	`eeyore-`	`Norbert-: so?`
`21:15.38`	`cepheus`	`This is not precisely a debian question, but does anyone have good estimates of how hardware requirements for a linux router scale as the number of users increases?`
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`21:15.39`	`eeyore-`	`Norbert-: laptop is still a computer with similar bios POST beeps`
`21:15.49`	`megatronx`	`is it possible to remove mozilla-browser off of debian and install firefox to replace it?`
`21:15.51`	`Norbert-`	`I think the screen is broken`
`21:15.55`	`PerfDave`	`cepheus: Depending on what the router is routing, fairly slowly.`
`21:15.57`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`cepheus: depends on what you want the server to do`
`21:15.59`	`PerfDave`	`megatronx: Yes, it is.`
`21:16.02`	`madclicker`	`hey guys is there a bind or named channel on freenode?`
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`21:16.08`	`dli_`	`Norbert-: usually, screen doesn't beep`
`21:16.12`	`eeyore-`	`cepheus: what's your outbound pipe size?`
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`21:16.16`	`megatronx`	`without breaking anything libraries, etc??`
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`21:16.22`	`fbi`	`madclicker: #dns`
`21:16.28`	`madclicker`	`fbi, thx`
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`21:16.53`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`cepheus: when you say router what type of routing...anyhow you could handle huge numbers with the most acient of machines`
`21:16.57`	`PerfDave`	`megatronx: I don't see why removing mozilla navigator and installing firefox should break any libraries. This isn't SuSE ;)`
`21:17.06`	`cepheus`	`For instance, for ~60 users, running Nat, some QoS, and port redirection with ethernet on the internal net and a DSL uplink`
`21:17.26`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`a pentium 200MMX would do that`
`21:17.26`	`mtnman`	`cephus: firewall rules may have a greater impact than number of users.`
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`21:17.33`	`PerfDave`	`cepheus: Low-end pentium 2, 64 or so Mb RAM.`
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`21:17.53`	`cepheus`	`Ok, that's sort of what I thought, unless we'd have enormous rulesets`
`21:17.56`	`megatronx`	`i know, when i want to remove it via synaptic it tells me that epiphany, gnome, gnome-desktop will be removed...`
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`21:18.09`	`cepheus`	`Wonder why clarkconnect requires a 2GHz machine with 1GB ram`
`21:18.21`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`PerfDave: I would actually be interested to see how much an old 200 machine would handle`
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`21:18.44`	`trollboy`	`I'm getting a ton of connection refused errors from apt-get update`
`21:18.45`	`chealer`	`megatronx, how is that related to firefox?`
`21:18.45`	`zeeble`	`Does clarkconnect do natting?`
`21:18.47`	`trollboy`	`anyone know why?`
`21:18.51`	`cepheus`	`zeeble, yeah`
`21:18.54`	`eeyore-`	`cepheus: maybe it runs windows`
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`21:19.00`	`zeeble`	`eeyore-: heh.`
`21:19.01`	`cepheus`	`eeyore-, No, it's linux-based`
`21:19.04`	`riki`	`hi all guys`
`21:19.07`	`cepheus`	`RH`
`21:19.07`	`megatronx`	`not related...removing mozilla-browser for firefox...`
`21:19.09`	`chealer`	`trollboy, mirror problem?`
`21:19.16`	`eeyore-`	`cepheus: i don't know. overly pessimistic specwriter?`
`21:19.25`	`trollboy`	`111 Connection refused across the wingway`
`21:19.38`	`chealer`	`megatronx, you can do that`
`21:19.40`	`licued`	`question, why did I get "mirror does not exist" when I did security.debian/package unstable"`
`21:19.44`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`they took the spec off the back of a vists beta disk :)`
`21:19.46`	`licued`	`does debian security not support unstable`
`21:19.47`	`riki`	`any debian cron expert? I want run a script every minutes on sarge, but contrab seems to accept only */5 as minum interval`
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`21:19.50`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`vista sorry`
`21:19.52`	`trollboy`	`chealer, these are servers that worked before`
`21:19.54`	`trollboy`	`that's the thing`
`21:20.00`	`PerfDave`	`megatronx: Are you running Debian?`
`21:20.01`	`nevislor`	`aiuto ,ac`
`21:20.03`	`licued`	`riki, */1`
`21:20.04`	`megatronx`	`yes`
`21:20.05`	`megatronx`	`sarge`
`21:20.07`	`nevislor`	`aiuto mac`
`21:20.07`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 708] by debhelper`
`21:20.08`	`megatronx`	`w gnome`
`21:20.09`	`eeyore-`	`cepheus: our old firewall was a celeron 700 MHz or so, before we replaced it with cisco pix (unfortunately)`
`21:20.10`	`mtnman`	`licued: no it doesn't`
`21:20.11`	`l4vim`	`hello, as everybody know it's natural to use linux as router (layer 3 routing device), I'm interested in useing Linux as layer 2 switching box - what should I read to find a way for this ?`
`21:20.17`	`licued`	`mtnman ?`
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`21:20.26`	`Haukr`	`!juk`
`21:20.26`	`dpkg`	`well, juk is some jukebox software written by some kde geeks that is here http://www.slackorama.net/oss/juk/`
`21:20.29`	`nevislor`	`aiuto mac`
`21:20.31`	`PerfDave`	`megatronx: shrug I'm guessing it's some gnome weirdness then, I stay away from it :)`
`21:20.35`	`mtnman`	`licued: unstable does not have security updates per se`
`21:20.36`	`nevislor`	`aiuto mac`
`21:20.40`	`Haukr`	`!gaim`
`21:20.40`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, gaim is an AIM clone for UN*X (http://gaim.sf.net/). It's graphical (it uses Gtk+), and uses the TIK/TOC protocol as well as Oscar. If gaim can't sign on, try the cvs version - http://gaim.sf.net/cvs.shtml, or really meant for AIM, but now with plugins supports ICQ, MSN and Yahoo!, or to get the cvs version, add "deb http://people.debian.org/~robot101/gaim unstable cvs" to your sources.list. a shit irc client Gaim an I.M.`
`21:20.41`	`chealer`	`trollboy, they're down now?`
`21:20.43`	`riki`	`licued: I tryied it, but it seems that there is a sort of limit on /5, I mean, /5 works, */1 won't run the script...`
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`21:20.46`	`riki`	`any idea?`
`21:20.47`	`licued`	`mtnman, gotchya, do you know why that is?`
`21:20.49`	`PerfDave`	`licued: Layer 2 switching? Layer 2 bridging is done by bridge-utils`
`21:20.52`	`eeyore-`	`cepheus: actually, it was a coppermine celeron, so probably more like 500MHz`
`21:20.54`	`trollboy`	`chealer, its been this way for a while though`
`21:21.02`	`trollboy`	`aren't there backup servers or some such?`
`21:21.08`	`chealer`	`trollboy, switch mirror`
`21:21.08`	`abrotman`	`megatronx: the gnome package is a metapackage .. if it's gone .. not a big deal`
`21:21.12`	`fbi`	`trollboy: so run apt-setup and select a new mirror.`
`21:21.13`	`licued`	`PerfDave, yes , but one connection works`
`21:21.19`	`licued`	`PerfDave, why would that be??`
`21:21.25`	`nevislor`	`aiuto mac`
`21:21.31`	`licued`	`PerfDave, if one connection works, they all should`
`21:21.44`	`nevislor`	`aiuto debian ppc on mac`
`21:21.44`	`riki`	`nevislor: ??`
`21:21.50`	`mtnman`	`licued: http://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing may enlighten`
`21:21.52`	`sepen`	`nas`
`21:21.52`	`SerajewelKS`	`how do i specify in /etc/network/interfaces that i want a gateway to be used only for routing to a specific subnet?`
`21:21.53`	`megatronx`	`ok...`
`21:21.58`	`Haukr`	`!debain`
`21:21.58`	`dpkg`	`Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh!`
`21:22.08`	`Haukr`	`!GNU`
`21:22.08`	`dpkg`	`gnu is, like, a recursive acronym which stands for GNU's Not UNIX. The GNU project is dedicated to the creation of a 100% Free Software Operating System.`
`21:22.09`	`riki`	`nevislor: what is "aiuto mac"?`
`21:22.12`	`PerfDave`	`licued: Sorry, I mistabbed, i meant to direct taht to l4vim :)`
`21:22.14`	`abrotman`	`!msg the bots`
`21:22.14`	`dpkg`	`Oi, abrotman, message the bots, so you don't spam the channel. /msg apt foo. snarl Thankyou`
`21:22.15`	`licued`	`SerajewelKS I JUST setup something like that`
`21:22.15`	`PerfDave`	`l4vim: Layer 2 switching? Layer 2 bridging is done by bridge-utils`
`21:22.21`	`licued`	`gotchya PerfDave, ;)`
`21:22.25`	`nevislor`	`help setting the keyboard`
`21:22.35`	`fbi`	`nevislor: #debianppc`
`21:22.40`	`SerajewelKS`	`licued, as great as that may be it doesn't help if you don't explain how you did it.`
`21:22.42`	`nevislor`	`thx`
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`21:22.54`	`licued`	`hehe wwell hold up man`
`21:22.59`	`licued`	`you have 2 interface , correct?`
`21:23.02`	`licued`	`one for each subnet`
`21:23.09`	`licued`	`Main Gateway <<-->> Linux Router/Firewall <<-->> Switch <<-->> A bunch of computers`
`21:23.13`	`licued`	`something like that?`
`21:23.15`	`SerajewelKS`	`i have two virtual interfaces`
`21:23.19`	`PerfDave`	`SerajewelKS: Probably with a manual call to "route" or "ip" in a post-up stanza`
`21:23.22`	`licued`	`hrmm`
`21:23.25`	`SerajewelKS`	`eth0 <--> internet gateway`
`21:23.27`	`licued`	`well you need toleran about "route"`
`21:23.32`	`SerajewelKS`	`eth0:1 <--> private network`
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`21:23.44`	`l4vim`	`PerfDave : it may be bridging - I want 2 interfaces without IP address to make them switch/bridge 2 phisical subnet`
`21:23.44`	`SerajewelKS`	`eth0:1 should be used to route packets for my secondary subnet`
`21:23.48`	`otroean`	`Hi. I'm trying to find out what passwords a had set on my ftp users. But can't find it... In Shadow it's just encrypted. Ain't it possible to find?`
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`21:23.56`	`riki`	`any cron guru here? it seems that my crontab on sarge can setup a scheduled process every five minute as minimum (/5), I need to reac 1 minute (/1), but it doesn't work`
`21:23.58`	`l4vim`	`PerfDave : i'm going to read about bridge-utils`
`21:23.59`	`licued`	`yea, so just pretend it's a second ethernet card`
`21:24.02`	`licued`	`riki`
`21:24.08`	`licued`	`you could do 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9`
`21:24.09`	`licued`	`ect...`
`21:24.12`	`l4vim`	`PerfDave : thank you`
`21:24.20`	`SerajewelKS`	`licued, yes i know that. that's not my question.`
`21:24.20`	`licued`	`no no no`
`21:24.22`	`stew`	`SerajewelKS: you cannot make an effective firewall without physical separation of the subnets`
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`21:24.28`	`PerfDave`	`otroean: The point of hashing passwords is that nobody can recover them.`
`21:24.31`	`licued`	`riki, I beleive you can do 1-59`
`21:24.31`	`abrotman`	`otroean: there are ways`
`21:24.33`	`SerajewelKS`	`stew, that's not what i'm doing`
`21:24.35`	`licued`	`and it will work`
`21:24.38`	`abrotman`	`otroean: but brute force afaik`
`21:24.39`	`keksi`	`hello`
`21:24.39`	`licued`	`try both`
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`21:24.47`	`SerajewelKS`	`i don't want eth0 to route packets for 192.168.9.0/24`
`21:24.53`	`SerajewelKS`	`but i want it to route everything else`
`21:24.55`	`Haukr`	`!walk`
`21:24.56`	`dpkg`	`If i could walk that way, i wouldn't need aftershave!`
`21:25.00`	`licued`	`right, well you have to set that in your "route" settings`
`21:25.01`	`l4vim`	`PerfDave : I hope that is less cpu load than routing`
`21:25.07`	`Haukr`	`!XD`
`21:25.07`	`dpkg`	`xD is a one-eyed, stoned, shit-eating grin, or a really unfunny smily face like :) but worse`
`21:25.09`	`licued`	`so you can either do taht with iptables ... and or route`
`21:25.10`	`Haukr`	`XD`
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`21:25.16`	`fbi`	`haha`
`21:25.19`	`licued`	`learn how to use them :)`
`21:25.21`	`otroean`	`ok. Then I just have to inform all the users about their new passwords...`
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`21:25.25`	`fbi`	`dpkg: slut`
`21:25.26`	`dpkg`	`somebody said slut was a loose person (figuratively speaking, of course) who has sex for the simple reason of having sex, or a term used by a prude to describe a normal person`
`21:25.27`	`SerajewelKS`	`licued, i know how to use them`
`21:25.29`	`riki`	`licued: I din't try this, I'll give it a chance... going to have a try`
`21:25.32`	`licued`	`oh...`
`21:25.32`	`fbi`	`wtf.`
`21:25.35`	`riki`	`licued: thanks`
`21:25.38`	`licued`	`riki, np`
`21:25.42`	`cureless`	`l4vim: routing is pretty quick`
`21:25.43`	`SerajewelKS`	`licued, i was wondering if /etc/network/interfaces had a nice keyword to do it for me`
`21:25.45`	`PerfDave`	`l4vim: Uhm, I'm not quite sure what you mean by that. Layer 2 and layer 3 are different things used for different purposes`
`21:25.51`	`licued`	`ah, no I don't beleive so`
`21:25.55`	`Haukr`	`!:'(`
`21:25.55`	`dpkg`	`i guess :'( is aww.. it'll be ok.`
`21:25.57`	`licued`	`sorry you're right, now I rmemeber your wignal question ;0`
`21:26.05`	`licued`	`original*`
`21:26.29`	`l4vim`	`PerfDave : L2: switches (mac address), L3: routers (IP address)`
`21:26.34`	`riki`	`l4vim: you need bridge support into the kernel, or loaded as a module`
`21:26.43`	`PerfDave`	`l4vim: Yes, I know what layer 2 and layer 3 are :)`
`21:26.47`	`Haukr`	`!fuck`
`21:26.47`	`dpkg`	`from memory, fuck is a wonderful, versatile word, that you should use as often as you can. http://www.fartfarm.com/FWORD32_.wav`
`21:26.52`	`stew`	`SerajewelKS: use an "up" keyword, up route add -net ...`
`21:26.54`	`riki`	`l4vim: then you need bridge utils to bind the interfaces together`
`21:27.03`	`SerajewelKS`	`licued, so basically i'd do something like "post-up route add -net 192.168.9.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.8.2"`
`21:27.15`	`SerajewelKS`	`licued, and would the kernel remove that route when the interfaces goes down?`
`21:27.19`	`licued`	`not familiar with post-up`
`21:27.22`	`l4vim`	`PerfDave : ok ;) so I want to forward packets only with L2 address check`
`21:27.26`	`riki`	`l4vim: you can assign a Ip address to the bridge interface to have a easy life administering the machine`
`21:27.31`	`stew`	`SerajewelKS: yes, but its just up`
`21:27.32`	`SerajewelKS`	`licued, it runs a command after the interface is brought up by ifup`
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`21:27.43`	`SerajewelKS`	`stew, uh, what?`
`21:27.44`	`licued`	`ah, figured such hehe , yes something of the sort like that`
`21:27.53`	`licued`	`if that's the subnet you want it to be routd to that is`
`21:27.54`	`l4vim`	`ok, thank you all - I apt-get'ed bridge-utils -> going to man it ;)`
`21:28.12`	`PerfDave`	`l4vim: You could just use a switch :)`
`21:28.29`	`l4vim`	`PerfDave : thanks for advice ;)`
`21:28.30`	`eeyore-`	`PerfDave: what's the fun in that?`
`21:28.31`	`SerajewelKS`	`licued, right, 192.168.8.2 and 192.168.9.1 are on the same box and it bridges those networks`
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`21:28.38`	`stew`	`SerajewelKS: "up route add -net 192.168.9.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.8.2" and yes, the kernel would remove that route when that interface goes down`
`21:28.44`	`licued`	`cool , SerajewelKS write a small Shell script`
`21:28.52`	`riki`	`l4vim: do you need the /etc/network/interfaces setup? I can show it to you`
`21:28.54`	`licued`	`within /etc/networking/interfaces`
`21:28.55`	`PerfDave`	`eeyore-: More time in the pub ;)`
`21:29.05`	`eeyore-`	`PerfDave: i have a feeling he wants to sniff and/or route between wired/wireless nets`
`21:29.18`	`licued`	`that sais to run that command, or you can simly staticly set those routes`
`21:29.31`	`PerfDave`	`eeyore-: Yeah. I'd just do it with iptables, but hey :)`
`21:29.45`	`SerajewelKS`	`since the 192.168.9.0/24 subnet is routed only by that box it doesn't need to be configed to route for separate subnets`
`21:29.49`	`riki`	`licued: it doesn't work, it is really strange, if I set up 5 mintes interval everything is ok, but in I setup 1 minute it wo't run`
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`21:29.56`	`keksi`	`SerajewelKS: where you re from ?`
`21:30.00`	`l4vim`	`riki: no, thank you - "bridge-utils" name is only thing I need - now I know`
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`21:30.09`	`nnn`	`ff`
`21:30.09`	`SerajewelKS`	`stew, so basically what i said will work`
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`21:30.37`	`licued`	`riki , you tried 1,2,3,4,5,6,67,7,89`
`21:30.43`	`licued`	`and 1-59`
`21:30.46`	`SerajewelKS`	`keksi, USA`
`21:30.46`	`SerajewelKS`	`licued, stew, and don't ask why. this school network sucks.`
`21:30.47`	`licued`	`and 1-59/1`
`21:30.47`	`riki`	`l4vim: After assuring bridge support to the system (kernel level, and user mode tools bridge-utils) add the following lines to the /etc/network/interfaces`
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`21:30.55`	`c_k`	`hey again all`
`21:31.03`	`riki`	`l4vim: pre-up ifconfig eth0 0.0.0.0 up && ifconfig eth2 0.0.0.0 up && brctl addbr br0 && brctl stp br0 yes && brctl addif br0 eth0 && brctl addif br0 eth2`
`21:31.07`	`graphite`	`my gnome volume control is jammed on the lowest setting and wont be moved, any suggestions?`
`21:31.11`	`SerajewelKS`	`i've already had to hack several scripts to use the friggin network`
`21:31.13`	`riki`	`l4vim: post-down brctl delbr br0 && ifconfig eth2 down && ifconfig eth0 down`
`21:31.24`	`stew`	`SerajewelKS: i haven't paid close attention to what subnets are where or anything, but i can tell you that if you add "up route add...." to a eth0:1 stanza that will get executed at the end of ifup eth0:1; and the route will be removed from the routing table when ifdown eth0:1 or ifconfig eth0:1 down happens`
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`21:31.40`	`riki`	`l4vim: study them you'll understand how to bring up and down the bridge interface`
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`21:32.13`	`PerfDave`	`riki: Uhm, why not just use a proper bridge stanza in /etc/network/interfaces? You shouldn't need to call brctl manually at all.`
`21:32.54`	`SerajewelKS`	`stew, guess what.. it doesn't get removed`
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`21:33.10`	`SerajewelKS`	`stew, if i add "dev eth0:1" to the route add would that do the trick?`
`21:33.21`	`riki`	`l4vim: for them to work you need to set up the interface name as "br0" in /etc/network/interfaces`
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`21:34.38`	`stew`	`SerajewelKS: oh, hmm, yeah you may be right`
`21:34.43`	`licued`	`I am compiling a kernel and I used a config file from 2.8 yet I'm compliing 2.7.... is this safe ??`
`21:34.45`	`SerajewelKS`	`stew, yup looks like that did it`
`21:34.47`	`licued`	`and will everything work okay?`
`21:34.49`	`stew`	`SerajewelKS: i'm used to doing this with REAL interfaces :)`
`21:35.02`	`SerajewelKS`	`stew, you don't need "dev __" on real interfaces?`
`21:35.05`	`PerfDave`	`Whoa, kernel 2.8's out now?`
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`21:35.10`	`licued`	`PerfDave`
`21:35.11`	`riki`	`licued: I tried all of them, it really seems a crontab limit.... but debian one... I have other systems runnig and they are working`
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`21:35.13`	`licued`	`I'm just making an exmple`
`21:35.16`	`graphite`	`my gnome volume control is jammed on off and wont be moved, any suggestions? when i try to open volume controls it tells me "Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found"`
`21:35.22`	`stew`	`SerajewelKS: not if their subnets are non-ambiguous afaik`
`21:35.30`	`riki`	`licued: I am going to try 2 minute interval`
`21:35.35`	`licued`	`yes try that`
`21:35.41`	`SerajewelKS`	`stew, interesting. anyway "route" doesn't show it as "eth0:1" but it still takes it down when eth0:1 goes down.`
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`21:36.02`	`stew`	`SerajewelKS: shows it as eth0?`
`21:36.07`	`SerajewelKS`	`stew, yes`
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`21:36.21`	`stew`	`SerajewelKS: what about "ip route" ?`
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`21:36.30`	`ellobo`	`hi`
`21:36.47`	`SerajewelKS`	`stew, and i just tried "dev eth0" and it didn't take it down, so there is a difference even if it doesn't show.`
`21:37.14`	`SerajewelKS`	`stew, shows as eth0 too`
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`21:37.46`	`ellobo`	`since I updated to the latest versions some special characters stopped appearing as they should, like punctuation, etc... I have the right locales installed (i think)... could someone help ?`
`21:37.51`	`stew`	`this is when someone is supposed to troll in with "thats becuase linux's network stack is a hack compared to xBSD" or something`
`21:38.08`	`ellobo`	`sorry ... half of the text was eaten somehow :P`
`21:38.11`	`SerajewelKS`	`stew, never used BSD =)`
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`21:38.26`	`ellobo`	`since I updated php5 to the latest versions some special characters stopped appearing in my web pages wih apache2 as they should, like punctuation, etc... I have the right locales installed (i think)... could someone help ?`
`21:38.30`	`SerajewelKS`	`ellobo, did you select the iso-something-15 keymap?`
`21:38.40`	`ellobo`	`SerajewelKS: keymap works fine`
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`21:38.49`	`riki`	`licued: nothing with */2 too`
`21:38.51`	`ellobo`	`SerajewelKS: problem is with web server and php pages`
`21:38.55`	`licued`	`crazy riki :/`
`21:38.55`	`riki`	`licued: testing */3`
`21:38.59`	`eeyore-`	`stew: ipconfig forever!`
`21:39.03`	`eeyore-`	`<ahem>`
`21:39.07`	`Schiz0`	`when you remove a package using apt, it leaves the config files behind unless you use --purge correct?`
`21:39.13`	`bbrazil`	`Schiz0: yes`
`21:39.30`	`Schiz0`	`Is there a way I can get rid of those on packages I have uninstalled a while ago and no longer need at all?`
`21:39.30`	`riki`	`licued: I am getting sure...`
`21:39.34`	`licued`	`riki, try running another scrip in the cron`
`21:39.34`	`riki`	`licued: ;-)`
`21:39.45`	`licued`	`maybe the script you are running dosne't like /1`
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`21:39.56`	`licued`	`and it looks for it... just re-write the whole line for something else`
`21:39.57`	`stew`	`eye69: heh`
`21:40.03`	`stew`	`err`
`21:40.06`	`SerajewelKS`	`ellobo, you didn't say apache =)`
`21:40.07`	`stew`	`someone like that`
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`21:40.49`	`ellobo`	`SerajewelKS: ok... ok... :-P`
`21:41.00`	`riki`	`licued: but with 5 minutes interval runs...`
`21:41.08`	`riki`	`licued: I can't explain this..`
`21:41.10`	`stew`	`ellobo: checked the bts?`
`21:41.14`	`stew`	`ellobo: wait, are you on sid?`
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`21:41.22`	`licued`	`Okay, I have another questino, why does Debian say "(Press control+D or give root password for maintnce)" when I boot up , what does this mean?`
`21:41.27`	`riki`	`it seems like cron is compiled with a minimum time limit...`
`21:41.41`	`Schiz0`	`licued- What's it say before that?`
`21:41.52`	`licued`	`Schiz0 just something abotu starting a service`
`21:42.10`	`licued`	`like "inted servvce starting" something along the lines of that`
`21:42.13`	`licued`	`no error though`
`21:42.24`	`licued`	`because i've had this happen on another box... but that box had an error before it`
`21:42.33`	`licued`	`but now I'm thinkging "hrmmm why is it saying that, maybe it's a common thing"`
`21:42.39`	`elirips`	`hello. i'm trying to write an udev-rule for my usb-printer. i only get this SYSFS{..} output: http://channels.debian.net/paste/959 will those values always be the same for this printer? and for other printers different?`
`21:42.43`	`beardy`	`licued: That means that you're booting into "single", runlevel 1,or that somethign goes wrong when booting and it goes to runlevel 1 because of that.`
`21:42.59`	`licued`	`what's runlevel 1?`
`21:43.17`	`stew`	`licued: be default its "single user mode" which is used for recovery / rescue`
`21:43.26`	`licued`	`yea`
`21:43.38`	`dli_`	`stew: how long would it take for bonnie++ ?`
`21:43.44`	`licued`	`dli not to long`
`21:43.47`	`licued`	`I've used it before`
`21:43.47`	`Schiz0`	`Is there a way I can purge config files after removing a package a while ago? I don't need them anymore, nor want them.`
`21:43.53`	`licued`	`you will usually get somethieng like 40mb/sec`
`21:44.02`	`PerfDave`	`Schiz0: rm`
`21:44.05`	`stew`	`dli_: few minutes to a quarter hour?`
`21:44.06`	`beardy`	`Schiz0: man apt-get, look at purge`
`21:44.11`	`licued`	`beardy, stew: so by pressing control D is it going into single user mode???`
`21:44.18`	`dli_`	`stew: okay, waiting`
`21:44.19`	`Schiz0`	`beardy- I know that, But I already removed the packages a while ago`
`21:44.19`	`stew`	`licued: yes`
`21:44.21`	`riki`	`licued: I lost my mind searching for the hour *`
`21:44.30`	`licued`	`because it ju8st sais "press control D to continue... nothin about going into single user mode`
`21:44.31`	`beardy`	`Schiz0: without purge?`
`21:44.33`	`licued`	`hrmm`
`21:44.36`	`Schiz0`	`PerfDave- What files should I rm from over 30 packages that I removed in the past?`
`21:44.39`	`stew`	`dli_: it should show some progress on stdout`
`21:44.42`	`Schiz0`	`beardy- Yeah`
`21:44.49`	`dli_`	`stew: yes, it shows`
`21:44.49`	`riki`	`licued: the fate wanted me to have in every five minute interval line have the * hour at his place`
`21:44.49`	`PerfDave`	`Schiz0: The files that they put there, obviously :)`
`21:44.51`	`graphite`	`my gnome volume control is jammed on the lowest setting and wont be moved, any suggestions?`
`21:44.55`	`beardy`	`Schiz0: Perhaps you can purge it now then, try.`
`21:45.07`	`riki`	`licued: and forgot it for the other intervals.... stupid riki... :-(`
`21:45.15`	`Schiz0`	`well their not installed anymore..I just don't want the config files just sitting there, I have no use for them`
`21:45.20`	`riki`	`licued: finally I got it anyway...`
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`21:45.27`	`beardy`	`Schiz0: Purge the package then.`
`21:45.36`	`riki`	`licued: thank you for help`
`21:45.40`	`Schiz0`	`ah, I can do that? lol`
`21:45.42`	`dli_`	`3G,13874,97,25700,16,8555,6,9622,53,16115,7,364.7,5,16,1430,88,+++++,+++,+++++,+++,1786,99,+++++,+++,2271,72`
`21:45.46`	`plugwash`	`how can i find out if a system is set up with hardware clock on local time or hardware clock on utc`
`21:45.51`	`plugwash`	`and how can i change it?`
`21:45.55`	`Schiz0`	`Thanks beardy, PerfDave`
`21:45.57`	`PerfDave`	`Schiz0: You could script something, possibly with apt-file or dpkg -S, which finds files and directories in /etc which aren't owned by any package.`
`21:46.01`	`dli_`	`stew: is this output of bonnie++ ?`
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`21:47.05`	`riki`	`any wav player for command line?`
`21:47.06`	`licued`	`riki, did you have any luck?`
`21:47.19`	`licued`	`what did you do?`
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`21:47.23`	`stew`	`dli_: there should have been some more human readable output as well`
`21:47.36`	`riki`	`licued: yes finally I got it`
`21:47.40`	`PerfDave`	`riki: "play"?`
`21:47.40`	`licued`	`what was it?`
`21:47.54`	`riki`	`licued: I lost my mind searching for the hour *`
`21:48.05`	`riki`	`licued: the fate wanted me to have in every five minute interval line have the * hour at his place`
`21:48.10`	`riki`	`licued: and forgot it for the other intervals.... stupid riki... :-(`
`21:48.19`	`licued`	`haha`
`21:48.25`	`licued`	`I still don't undertand your english ;)`
`21:48.32`	`licued`	`"I lost my mind searching for the hour *"?`
`21:48.33`	`Drakh`	`:(`
`21:48.47`	`licued`	`you weren't dealing with hours`
`21:48.48`	`Drakh`	`but his english understands you`
`21:48.57`	`licued`	`hehehe you are correct Drakh :)`
`21:48.58`	`riki`	`hehe`
`21:49.00`	`Drakh`	`in soviet russia`
`21:49.06`	`Drakh`	`ENGLISH UNDERSTAND YOU`
`21:49.09`	`licued`	`LOL`
`21:49.16`	`licued`	`You know my Roomate is from Stalingrad`
`21:49.22`	`licued`	`he moved here only a few years ago`
`21:49.48`	`riki`	`do you know any command line player for wav files?`
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`21:50.21`	`riki`	`licued: my english is poor as my knowledge of crontab ;-)`
`21:50.27`	`licued`	`hehehe ;))`
`21:50.31`	`licued`	`well`
`21:50.35`	`licued`	`can you just show me the output?`
`21:50.37`	`Drakh`	`lol`
`21:50.39`	`licued`	`of what you did`
`21:50.45`	`beardy`	`!lol`
`21:50.45`	`dpkg`	`If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.`
`21:50.54`	`riki`	`in /etc/crontab?`
`21:50.54`	`licued`	`I'm just curious of what it is now, because I thought I kne the answer and I didn't`
`21:51.02`	`drp`	`what are the main differences between the 2.4 linux kernel and the 2.6`
`21:51.05`	`licued`	`yes riki`
`21:51.06`	`drp`	`is there a good ref. where I can look at this`
`21:51.21`	`streuner`	`drp: better hardware support`
`21:51.22`	`licued`	`just copy+paste it here`
`21:51.31`	`beardy`	`drp: the numbers, and better support for more hardware`
`21:51.37`	`riki`	`licued: every syntax worked, I just missed the character "*" in the "hour" place`
`21:51.46`	`drp`	`streuner: ic ... is it hard to upgrade kernels?`
`21:51.48`	`streuner`	`drp: look at the changelog file ;-)`
`21:51.49`	`licued`	`so you just added a * ?`
`21:51.58`	`streuner`	`drp: in debian? :-) no`
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`21:52.08`	`riki`	`licued: yes`
`21:52.14`	`licued`	`oh, then why would */5 work?`
`21:52.17`	`beardy`	`drp: Not hard, just install a new kernel-image package.`
`21:52.24`	`riki`	`licued: /1 * root /usr/local/bin/remotemonitor.sh`
`21:52.24`	`stew`	`dli_: you are getting faster writes than you are reads, i don't know how you are managing that`
`21:52.29`	`riki`	`licued: \/1 * * root /usr/local/bin/remotemonitor.sh`
`21:52.38`	`licued`	`?!`
`21:52.42`	`licued`	`what is what`
`21:52.48`	`licued`	`oh I see`
`21:52.54`	`licued`	`but.. why did /5 work before?`
`21:52.57`	`riki`	`licued: ksirc doen't print the *`
`21:52.58`	`licued`	`...is my question...`
`21:53.01`	`riki`	`before the /`
`21:53.11`	`drp`	`beardy: ok ... is there a reference I can look at on the debian wiki or do you know of a place to look`
`21:53.20`	`licued`	`ksirc?`
`21:53.21`	`dli_`	`stew: just waiting :(`
`21:53.23`	`licued`	`what's that/`
`21:53.23`	`beardy`	`drp: For what?`
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`21:53.41`	`riki`	`licued: my irc client didn't printed the * before the slash`
`21:53.49`	`licued`	`weird :P`
`21:53.55`	`stew`	`dli_: you can take that comma delimited line and pipe it into bon_csv2txt or bon_csv2html`
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`21:54.01`	`licued`	`but why did /5 work???`
`21:54.04`	`licued`	`that is my question`
`21:54.09`	`drp`	`beardy: so you're saying all I have to do is do an apt-get install kernel-image?`
`21:54.12`	`licued`	`why did /5 work and not /1 `
`21:54.16`	`riki`	`but finalli I could use /1 * root script.sh`
`21:54.30`	`dli_`	`stew: the computer crashes when running redhat :( I just reinstalled debian on it`
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`21:54.40`	`licued`	`lol, I stoll don't get you to much riki ;)`
`21:54.49`	`licued`	`but it's okay, as long as you're doing well and all is well`
`21:54.55`	`stew`	`dli_: this is software raid?`
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`21:55.05`	`stew`	`dli_: you cpu is pegged when doing this`
`21:55.08`	`beardy`	`drp: a kernel-image-version+arch yes. 'apt-cache search kernel-image \| less'`
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`21:55.13`	`dli_`	`stew: no idea, dpt_i2o`
`21:55.14`	`riki`	`licued: 'cause I had different lines in the /etc/crontab and some were running 'cause of the * in the hour place`
`21:55.17`	`debugger`	how do I enable mod_log_forensic on apache installed on debian? I've used ``apache-modconf apache enable mod_log_forensic'', but it only added the LoadModule directive, so now I'm supposed to edit httpd.conf by handle, and manually add a AddModule?
`21:55.20`	`drp`	`beardy: k, thanks`
`21:55.30`	`dli_`	`stew: should be hardware`
`21:55.33`	`streuner`	`drp: basically yes, if you using lilo you might have to edit lilo.conf as well`
`21:55.37`	`riki`	`licued: I missed in the lines for lower intervals...`
`21:55.50`	`stew`	`if its hardware raid it shouldn't peg your cpu`
`21:56.17`	`beardy`	`streuner: If he hasn't touched it at all, and have the symlinks and all, it should be done automagically.`
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`21:56.23`	`drp`	`streuner: I'm pretty sure I'm using grub ... I haven't rebooted since my initial install so ...`
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`21:56.38`	`[GABRI]`	`how i can fix this? http://rafb.net/paste/results/RPpeP994.html`
`21:56.40`	`dli_`	`stew: never tested it :( can I add more disks to it? without losing existing data`
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`21:56.54`	`streuner`	`beardy: hm, good to know :-)`
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`21:57.09`	`Norbert`	`okay, I checked the tech manual of the laptop and 1-2 beeps means "external ROM checksum failure"... can anyone tell me what this means? (what's broken now... aargh)`
`21:57.14`	`pipeline`	`[GABRI]: Looks like an error in the code.`
`21:57.19`	`K^Holtz`	`if i deleted my Debian Partial apt file, whats the easyest wasy to fix it?`
`21:57.40`	`streuner`	`beardy: its a PITA to use only ONE kernel on a box... ;-)`
`21:57.44`	`nkuttler`	`K^Holtz: what is a debian partial apt file?`
`21:57.47`	`[GABRI]`	`mm pipeline is a big error?`
`21:57.48`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`Norbert: ok, you need to enter your bios`
`21:58.06`	`Norbert`	`ToMMY2ooo: I can't - it just beeps 1-2 and the screen stays black`
`21:58.16`	`beardy`	`streuner: ehm, yes? :)`
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`21:58.22`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`Norbert: you should be able to enter your bios using a key combination`
`21:58.26`	`K^Holtz`	`aparently the file partial is needed to us the update system`
`21:58.30`	`stew`	`dli_: whether or not you can add disks to it is specific to that controller, and i'm not familiar with that one`
`21:58.32`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`the screen may come on when your in`
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`21:58.38`	`streuner`	`beardy: yes`
`21:58.39`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`you're even :)`
`21:58.40`	`nkuttler`	`K^Holtz: do you need to mkdir /var/cache/apt/archives/partial/?`
`21:58.41`	`pipeline`	`[GABRI]: It's an error in the code itself. There's no way to say anything more with just the information in your paste.`
`21:58.44`	`Norbert`	`ToMMY2ooo: o...kay`
`21:58.58`	`graphite`	`The volume controller in the taskbar has managed to jam itself into off, i can move it for a second but then it refreshes to off again... im using Gnome... any help?`
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`21:59.06`	`sett`	`is there a firefox 1.07 deb ?`
`21:59.14`	`streuner`	`sett: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 \| tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 \| grep 500' say?`
`21:59.15`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`Norbert: I would turn the laptop on then press the key combination..that should be in your manual`
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`21:59.19`	`Ungy`	`ugg I restated and now my audio doesn't work I did a modprobe i810audio and it says FATAL: Module i810audio not found`
`21:59.20`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`and just wait`
`21:59.35`	`lnx32`	`Norbert: It's probably either F2 or Delete to enter the BIOS`
`21:59.42`	`K^Holtz`	`nkuttler: im kinda the middle man here.. im not too sure whats goin on... just trying to help someone else from a different network`
`21:59.48`	`dli_`	`stew: since it's so slow, I'm running the same test on another ide disk, of course, on another computer`
`21:59.59`	`K^Holtz`	`nkuttler: he said he boomed that file`
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`22:00.12`	`nkuttler`	`K^Holtz: if you really want to help him tell him to come here`
`22:00.18`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`Norbert: failing that you might need to strip down the laptop and short a jumper to clean the CMOS data. If your CMOS data is corrupted and the laptop is not so new anymore it may be that the backup battery is gone`
`22:00.27`	`K^Holtz`	`he doesnt have enough knowledge to do so`
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`22:00.35`	`Norbert`	`lnx32, ToMMY2ooo: F2/Del/Enter just fill up the keyboards buffer, so I get some more beeps`
`22:00.41`	`K^Holtz`	`i was just hoping for a quick response... its not a problem`
`22:00.44`	`Hans`	`Moin moin!`
`22:00.48`	`sett`	`ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone`
`22:00.48`	`sett`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:00.56`	`nkuttler`	`K^Holtz: how hard is it? /server irc.debian.org and /j #debian?`
`22:01.01`	`Norbert`	`ToMMY2ooo: I think this is a battery problem`
`22:01.14`	`Ungy`	`Can anyone tell me if udev could be the culprit in making my !810aduio module disapear?`
`22:01.14`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`Norbert: can you run the laptop off the mains?`
`22:01.22`	`K^Holtz`	`nkuttler like i said.. i was just hoping for a quick and easy solution.. neither I nor him have enough time right now`
`22:01.24`	`K^Holtz`	`thanks though`
`22:01.29`	`Norbert`	`ToMMY2ooo: I'm sorry, I'm Dutch - what does "off the mains" mean?`
`22:01.35`	`streuner`	`sett: well, for sarge you are prolly out of luck`
`22:01.38`	`nkuttler`	`!hurry`
`22:01.38`	`dpkg`	`Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll...`
`22:01.42`	`streuner`	`!info mozilla-firefox sarge`
`22:01.44`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`Norbert: sorry, can you run the laptop from the main electric supply`
`22:01.46`	`Norbert`	`ToMMY2ooo: not in the outled you mean? no, that's not working`
`22:01.52`	`dpkg`	`mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.4-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 8672 kB, Installed size: 24372 kB`
`22:01.53`	`licued`	`heya`
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`22:02.04`	`sett`	`streuner, but there were some security fixes`
`22:02.07`	`Norbert`	`ToMMY2ooo: so, the backup battery may be broken then`
`22:02.19`	`streuner`	`sett: just get some binaries at mozilla.org (1.07)`
`22:02.36`	`lnx32`	`Norbert: How old is the laptop? Sounds like this could be a job for the manufacturer.`
`22:02.36`	`lnx32`	`Norbert: Is it still in warranty?`
`22:02.41`	`drp`	`are there significant speed differences between the 2.4 linux kernel and the 2.6?`
`22:02.42`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`Norbert: well there is a battery to run your laptop and a tiny little battery inside your laptop that keeps things like the clock running and your BIOS data`
`22:02.42`	`streuner`	`s/1.07/1.0.7/`
`22:03.04`	`Norbert`	`ToMMY2ooo: ah, and that little battery may be broken`
`22:03.05`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`Norbert: this could be broken, but of course this is also speculation`
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`22:03.31`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`Norbert: its odd your screen is not coming on`
`22:03.46`	`Norbert`	`ToMMY2ooo: myeah... :(`
`22:03.47`	`beardy`	`drp: That is arguable. 2.6 is said to be a bit faster.`
`22:03.56`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`Norbert: can you hook up an external monitor to your laptop to verify that your screen is not faulty`
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`22:03.58`	`Ungy`	`how do I get modprobe to give me a list of possible audio drivers?`
`22:04.13`	`dli_`	`ToMMY2ooo even if the bios battery fails, you still have default bios, and still be able to boot up`
`22:04.22`	`stew`	`Ungy: for alsa: modprobe -l \| grep snd`
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`22:04.40`	`riki`	`Ungy: modprobe -l \| grep sound`
`22:04.40`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`dli_: yes I know, its very odd. The POST beep codes seem to think the CMOS data os corrupted`
`22:05.14`	`streuner`	`Ungy: or run 'modconf' and scroll to the sound-section`
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`22:05.50`	`Ungy`	`streuner my console doesn't hold that much text`
`22:06.02`	`beardy`	`Ungy: \| less`
`22:06.02`	`streuner`	`heh`
`22:06.05`	`Hans`	`Now its running: my nvidia-card! yeah!`
`22:06.05`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`Norbert: if you can try and remove all the ram from the machine, if there is more than one stick, swap them out to see if one is causing you problems`
`22:06.07`	`Ungy`	`stew yes I am using alsa`
`22:06.23`	`stew`	`Ungy: have you run alsaconf?`
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`22:06.52`	`Ungy`	`stew not since I restarted do I have ot run it every time?`
`22:07.06`	`dli_`	`stew: it'd done`
`22:07.15`	`Norbert`	`ToMMY2ooo: I have the feeling there could be many things wrong. We've mentioned CMOS data, internal battery, external battery, RAM memory, screen, and so on`
`22:07.17`	`dli_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:07.18`	`sett`	`what the hell, where is opml import export gone in debian thunderbird package?`
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`22:07.43`	`streuner`	`sett: thunderbird? read its changelog file`
`22:08.03`	`Ungy`	`crap stew that fixed it I didn't know I have to run it every time I restart thanks I will remeber that`
`22:08.15`	`stew`	`Ungy: you shouldn't have to`
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`22:08.26`	`stew`	`dli_: thats virtually the same as the other run`
`22:08.26`	`sett`	`is there anything that can import rss feed from my opml file under debian?`
`22:08.33`	`Norbert`	`ToMMY2ooo: the manual says: "One long, two short beeps on improper video configuration (check VGA switches on OmniBook 4150B) or external ROM checksum failure"`
`22:08.37`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`Norbert: when a machine fails to boot so early on it is usually hardware related...my guess is ram or the battery backup`
`22:08.46`	`dli_`	`stew: yes, so, 25 MB/s writing, 16 MB/s reading`
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`22:09.02`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`ok then its your VGA switches`
`22:09.02`	`Norbert`	`ToMMY2ooo: maybe one of the components got loose?`
`22:09.04`	`PerfDave`	`sett: Akregator can import OPML files.`
`22:09.23`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`can you see any switches for video anywhere?`
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`22:09.41`	`Norbert`	`ToMMY2ooo: no - but this is a 4150, not a 4150B`
`22:09.53`	`c_k`	`hey all , what you guys up to tonight ??`
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`22:10.06`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 688] by debhelper`
`22:10.20`	`stew`	`c_k: hacking the gibson`
`22:10.38`	`gravity`	`stew: Right on`
`22:10.44`	`ToMMY2ooo`	`Norbert: I would be tempted to pull it apart...at worse you can see what the inside of a hd looks like, at best you can fix it :)`
`22:10.47`	`stew`	`gravity: you in?`
`22:10.51`	`gravity`	`Oh yeah`
`22:11.05`	`gravity`	`I've got this RISC computer that totally is going to kick ass`
`22:11.12`	`stew`	`hah`
`22:11.13`	`sett`	`PerfDave, thx, I'll give it a shot`
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`22:12.10`	`k8to`	`trying to track down a performance thing: using matrox g550, fluxbox, xorg, i have waaaay more visual lag (window teardowns on desktop switch, xterm lag on cpu load) than I ever did with xfree86. has anyone seen anything like this?`
`22:12.21`	`gravity`	`k8to: Are you running composite?`
`22:12.31`	`azeem`	gravity: did you consider renaming your nick to `g-force', now that you maintain Xorg?
`22:12.39`	`k8to`	`gravity: I don't want to be. how do I check?`
`22:12.40`	`gravity`	`hahahaha`
`22:12.50`	`gravity`	`k8to: Check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log`
`22:12.57`	`k8to`	`for what, was my question`
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`22:13.27`	`*** topic/#debian is GETTING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian \| YES, WE KNOW THAT ChanServ LIKES YOU \| FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ \| /msg dpkg bts \| /msg dpkg testing security \| /msg dpkg sarge firefox \| X.org: sid, etch and /msg dpkg xorg sarge \| NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster \| /msg bots NOT people \| /msg dpkg java \| /msg dpkg kde3.4 \| /msg dpkg apt secure`
`22:13.36`	`gravity`	`k8to: Ok, what version of Xorg are you running?`
`22:13.51`	`sett`	`PerfDave, perfect tool`
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`22:14.25`	`k8to`	`xserver-xorg 6.8.2.dfsg.1-7`
`22:16.05`	`sett`	`anyone tried to build new licq?`
`22:16.08`	`k8to`	`buh, it seems i'm loading mga_hal, i should rip that out`
`22:16.12`	`sett`	`how is it?`
`22:16.21`	`*** join/#debian FlimFlamMan (n=FlimFlam@d65h243.public.uconn.edu)`
`22:16.22`	`FlimFlamMan`	`is it possible for group and gshadow to get out of sync, such that addgroup doesn't update gshadow any longer?`
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`22:16.26`	`Norbert`	`ToMMY2ooo: Well, _I_ would be tempted to cry - but, it's not my laptop, I'm trying to help out a friend, so instead, I'll just tell him I tried the best I could (which is true)`
`22:16.52`	`dli_`	`stew: when you say writing/reading speed, which part of the bonnie++ report are you refering to`
`22:17.11`	`Ungy`	`Norbert, he left`
`22:17.22`	`k8to`	`gravity: you still there?`
`22:17.34`	`gravity`	`k8to: Yeah, I'm looking for a bug report that might be relevant`
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`22:18.02`	`Norbert`	`Ungy: ah yeah, I see it now - thx`
`22:18.03`	`k8to`	`gravity: you mean a known problem? i'm still trying to figure out how i can check to see if i'm doing composite`
`22:18.05`	`grendal_prime`	`why is it we dont have to defragment on ext3 drives??`
`22:18.10`	`grendal_prime`	`i cant remember`
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`22:18.29`	`gravity`	`k8to: If the term "Composite" doesn't show up in your log then you're not running it. You would have had to enable it yourself anyway.`
`22:18.31`	`Ungy`	`grendal_prime, I bet you google knows`
`22:18.43`	`grendal_prime`	`ya im googling now`
`22:18.45`	`sander`	`hi.. anyone know how I get a raid0 device to work again?.. I created the device with mkraid /dev/md0.. and added config for raid0 in /etc/raidtab.. but after I reboot.. I cant mount /dev/md0.. anymore`
`22:18.59`	`k8to`	`gravity: it does but only in reference to sync on green etc`
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`22:19.16`	`gravity`	`k8to: Could you post your logfile somewhere? A pastebin or something?`
`22:19.17`	`*** join/#debian acid-trip (n=rob@S01060050bf9af984.ls.shawcable.net)`
`22:19.18`	`FlimFlamMan`	`ok, this is sick. as root, "groups flim" shows all my groups. as flim, "groups" doesn't show them all?! what's up with that?`
`22:19.25`	`k8to`	`gravity: you know, the video format`
`22:19.30`	`sander`	`when I do mdadm -Q /dev/md0.. I get: /dev/md0: is an md device which is not active\n /dev/md0: is too small to be an md component.`
`22:19.31`	`stew`	`dli_: sequential output / sequential input`
`22:19.53`	`sander`	`anyone have a clue.. how to enable a previously used raid device?`
`22:19.55`	`dli_`	`stew: in K/s ?`
`22:20.07`	`stew`	`FlimFlamMan: you have to logout and back in after you add yourself to a group`
`22:20.12`	`stew`	`dli_: yes`
`22:20.12`	`nvz`	`FlimFlamMan: did you recently add the user to the group?`
`22:20.15`	`k8to`	`gravity: http://kmods.dyndns.org/~jrodman/xorg.conf`
`22:20.24`	`FlimFlamMan`	`nvz: a couple hours ago`
`22:20.33`	`dli_`	`stew: then, mine is 14058/9643 , so slow`
`22:20.36`	`acid-trip`	`can anyone help me setting up a network using samba?`
`22:20.41`	`*** join/#debian BradZ (n=bthomson@157.besecure.net.au)`
`22:20.52`	`k8to`	`err`
`22:20.53`	`nvz`	`FlimFlamMan: hasnt taken membership yet. it does it when you login. if you were already logged in, wont take effect until you logout and back in again`
`22:20.54`	`k8to`	`brain fart`
`22:21.02`	`stew`	`dli_: and the cp% is the cpu percentage`
`22:21.08`	`nvz`	`FlimFlamMan: try using a su - flim, and see what happens`
`22:21.10`	`FrdFlint`	`acid trip maybe i can`
`22:21.26`	`acid-trip`	`msg me then`
`22:21.33`	`k8to`	`gravity: right file this timehttp://kmods.dyndns.org/~jrodman/Xorg.0.log`
`22:21.35`	`dli_`	`stew: 99/7 , something wrong?`
`22:21.58`	`FlimFlamMan`	`nvz, that's what i did. new group doesn't show up`
`22:22.07`	`deefzi`	`fuck. i've sold my bed :D`
`22:22.09`	`k8to`	`oh buh, i guess i was doing a search for lowercase`
`22:22.11`	`deefzi`	`just received an email.`
`22:22.12`	`stew`	`dli_: no that just means you probably don't have hardware raid, if its pegging your cpu during writes`
`22:22.26`	`FrdFlint`	`hmmm seems like you cant accept messages`
`22:22.38`	`dli_`	`stew: and reading take only 7% cpu?`
`22:22.43`	`deefzi`	`"have you bought your new bed so i can come and pick your old one up?"`
`22:23.03`	`acid-trip`	`ur in thunder bay`
`22:23.04`	`acid-trip`	`lol`
`22:23.14`	`Ungy`	`grendal_prime, Many file systems on Unix-like platforms, such as ext3 and xfs do not provide the ability to explicitly defragment at all. These systems attempt to keep fragmentation below a certain point so defragmenting is not necessary. This fragmentation resistance works well as long as the file system has a fairly large amount of space free.`
`22:23.15`	`FrdFlint`	`yep where are you?`
`22:23.21`	`loxley`	`sander: i would recommend you to partition the drives with linux raid.. then they will be assembled at boot time..`
`22:23.23`	`acid-trip`	`marathon`
`22:23.37`	`sett`	`ppl which im do u use?`
`22:23.38`	`FrdFlint`	`i was there a couple weeks ago`
`22:23.44`	`sett`	`im app preferences`
`22:23.47`	`sett`	`I mean`
`22:23.50`	`FrdFlint`	`still canrt message`
`22:24.06`	`sander`	`loxley, okay.. but I need the data back.. which is on the disc.. in the meantime`
`22:24.09`	`gravity`	`k8to: Try adding the line "Option Composite "Disable"" to your xorg.conf`
`22:24.10`	`acid-trip`	`is ur nick registered?`
`22:24.13`	`FrdFlint`	`no`
`22:24.21`	`Ungy`	`Thunder bay Ontario?`
`22:24.22`	`gravity`	`k8to: I don't know if Composite is actually enabled, but I'm guessing it is`
`22:24.28`	`acid-trip`	`accept`
`22:24.32`	`FrdFlint`	`yes`
`22:24.43`	`k8to`	`gravity: it certainly feels like it`
`22:24.51`	`xuxa`	`I have written a HOWTO for installing debian amd64 on RAID1 SATA drives. Any suggestions where I should post it so it can be searched and found by others?`
`22:25.01`	`gravity`	`One second, let me post my xorg.conf and you can just copy the section from mine...`
`22:25.06`	`FrdFlint`	`try again`
`22:25.07`	`Ungy`	`FrdFlint, never been there I always hear abotu it though when they do the news and talk abotu the weather`
`22:25.10`	`k8to`	`gravity: uh.. where does such an option go?`
`22:25.28`	`grendal_prime`	`you know Ungy that makes sense accept for one thing...i have had redhat systems that ran on 1.7 and 1.2 gig drives. hardly any empty space on the drive (keyosk type machines) and they never really fragmented`
`22:25.53`	`FrdFlint`	`weather here isnt all that bad n o snow yet`
`22:26.15`	`grendal_prime`	`there would be the argument that well there is nothing really being written to the drive..but temporary internet related files were being written`
`22:26.16`	`FrdFlint`	`how do i register`
`22:26.24`	`gravity`	`k8to: http://pastebin.com/405862`
`22:26.32`	`fbi`	`FrdFlint: /msg nickserv help`
`22:26.46`	`Ungy`	`grendal_prime, well it all depends on what your doing you can run a widows machine with ntfs and never need to fragment as well it is all in how you access data`
`22:27.02`	`dli_`	`stew: interesting to see my ide disk results: 13874/13329 , cpu is 17/7`
`22:27.04`	`FrdFlint`	`gonna try and register`
`22:27.17`	`Ungy`	`FrdFlint, don't try just do it ;-)`
`22:27.19`	`dli_`	`stew: the scsi raid is slower than ide :(`
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`22:27.27`	`lightbright`	`dondelelcaro: hello :)`
`22:27.32`	`lightbright`	`Ungy: hello Ugly`
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`22:27.47`	`FrdFlint`	`still here acid trip?`
`22:27.54`	`Ungy`	`Hello lightbright did you turn on the magical colored lights today?`
`22:28.00`	`acid-trip`	`yeah`
`22:28.13`	`FrdFlint`	`i am gonna register`
`22:28.22`	`acid-trip`	`k`
`22:28.47`	`dli_`	`stew: and file creation on ide is 10 times faster than the scsi/raid`
`22:29.08`	`dannythm`	`I'm asking on the kde channel but i got no response`
`22:29.17`	`lightbright`	`Ungy: no, magic is only a metaphor for creative imagination`
`22:29.30`	`dannythm`	`I have some trouble trying to install a package`
`22:29.45`	`sander`	`loxley, ok.. now I managed to find the raid array.. and mount it..`
`22:29.45`	`nse`	`Is there a gnome applet to check my mailbox for new messages?`
`22:29.51`	`sussudio`	`hmm.`
`22:29.55`	`tarzeau`	`has someone got 50+ i386 computers of a wide variety?`
`22:29.59`	`azeem`	`nse: there used to be, not sure whether there still is`
`22:30.00`	`[GABRI]`	`any people use freeradius?`
`22:30.03`	`sander`	`loxley: mdadm /dev/md0 -A /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1`
`22:30.03`	`k8to`	`okay, giving this a whilr`
`22:30.03`	`lightbright`	`dannythm: which package?`
`22:30.08`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 673] by debhelper`
`22:30.23`	`lightbright`	`sussudio: dont lie, I am not banned. your false accusations will however get you banned`
`22:30.27`	`sander`	`loxley, but how can I make this array get assembled at boot time?`
`22:30.30`	`azeem`	`lightbright: chill`
`22:30.42`	`sussudio`	`-!- 330 - #debian: ban %!@071.a.001lg.syd.iprimus.net.au`
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`22:31.00`	`lightbright`	`azeem: im chilled, just exposing his lies and false accusations`
`22:31.07`	`nse`	`azeem: ok.`
`22:31.33`	`lightbright`	`my ISP is the largest ISP in Australia, so if there is a ban on my ISP, it could be someone else using same ISP`
`22:31.57`	`lightbright`	`thousands of people use the same ISP as I do`
`22:32.01`	`sussudio`	`lightbright: you were using the nick 'eutopia' at the time. same ident.`
`22:32.26`	`lightbright`	`sussudio: keep falsely accusing me if you wish, yet you will reap what you sow. goodbye`
`22:32.31`	`dannythm`	`I have trouble installing a package, it tells me that other packages needed are differnet versions or are not installed`
`22:32.34`	`dannythm`	`what can I do?`
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`22:32.44`	`sussudio`	`lightbright: you've been caught.`
`22:33.00`	`gravity`	`sussudio: Just let him be for now`
`22:33.01`	`tapas`	`hi, i want to apply a patch to some debian source package. it seems my change gets eliminated when running dpkg-buildpackage`
`22:33.03`	`azeem`	`sussudio: well, he's innocent until proven guilty`
`22:33.11`	`lightbright`	`sussudio: in fact I noticed that you have been banned in the past! are you evading a ban?`
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`22:33.17`	`sussudio`	`azeem: umm the ban is set...`
`22:33.17`	`azeem`	`tapas: check for debian/patches`
`22:33.22`	`gravity`	`sussudio: I'll keep it in mind though.`
`22:33.29`	`lightbright`	`azeem: dont believe sussudio , he is a troll`
`22:33.32`	`Guerin`	`azeem: ash he/she/it has a hundred or so times before`
`22:33.33`	`stew`	`lightbright: sussudio just ignore eachother for now, please`
`22:33.40`	`tapas`	`azeem: ok..`
`22:33.45`	`lightbright`	`stew: indeed`
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`22:34.08`	`Haukr`	`Fuck`
`22:34.12`	`Haukr`	`Ok i have a big problem`
`22:34.12`	`sander`	`what does this mean: "You must have created the RAID devices using persistent-superblock"`
`22:34.21`	`tapas`	`azeem: ah, so i should simply put the patch in there? maybe as the last one [i suppose the numebrs are there for ordering[`
`22:34.21`	`Haukr`	`I have no desktop in debian`
`22:34.22`	`sussudio`	`gravity: the "hello dondelelcaro" set it off, really.`
`22:34.26`	`Haukr`	`it asks for username and password`
`22:34.28`	`Haukr`	`i put it in`
`22:34.33`	`gravity`	`sussudio: Good eye`
`22:34.38`	`Haukr`	`then i tried to do startx and it says bash not found`
`22:34.48`	`sander`	`what is an persistent superblock?`
`22:34.57`	`azeem`	`tapas: there are several ways to handle Debian source packages, some (likely in this case) extract a tarball, apply patches from debian/patches/* through various methods and rm -rf the build-tree during the 'clean' target (which gets called by dpkg-buildpackage at the beginning by default)`
`22:35.02`	`sussudio`	`gravity: i have to note that the other end of the trollsession that caused the ban is banned too... (FieldysNuts)`
`22:35.05`	`nkuttler`	`Haukr: /msg dpkg install gnome or /msg dpkg install kde, /msg dpkg enter`
`22:35.12`	`azeem`	`tapas: that's a good start`
`22:35.16`	`Haukr`	`Dude wtf`
`22:35.19`	`Haukr`	`why dont it work!`
`22:35.26`	`Haukr`	`and what did it do to suse!`
`22:35.33`	`Haukr`	`its making it give me this gay ass eroor`
`22:35.34`	`Haukr`	`error`
`22:35.41`	`azeem`	`tapas: check the Build-Depends for any of dpatch or quilt, they need some more handling (so read up on those if that is the case)`
`22:35.44`	`sussudio`	`...`
`22:35.44`	`tapas`	`azeem: the log output looks ok.`
`22:35.47`	`nkuttler`	`!tell Haukr about faq`
`22:35.48`	`stew`	`Haukr: check .xsession-errors in you home directory`
`22:35.51`	`gravity`	`sussudio: Well I have no problem with that ban myself`
`22:35.56`	`sussudio`	`gravity: me neither`
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`22:36.02`	`gravity`	`sussudio: I'll keep an eye out though`
`22:36.03`	`Haukr`	`Yo i just want a desktop!`
`22:36.05`	`tapas`	`azeem: it's just for local testing. i don't plan to make packages for other people anytimwe soon`
`22:36.17`	`k8to`	`gravity: fantastic`
`22:36.26`	`Guerin`	`lightbright [n=message@179.a.001lg.syd.iprimus.net.au : #debian: ban %!@071.a.001lg.syd.iprimus.net.au`
`22:36.26`	`gravity`	`k8to: Working now?`
`22:36.28`	`k8to`	`gravity: I feel stupid I didn't think of that`
`22:36.37`	`k8to`	`gravity: i guess I thought composite was something I'd have to ask for`
`22:36.40`	`gravity`	`k8to: No worries. It's my job to think of things like that :-)`
`22:36.43`	`Guerin`	`seems like a clear case of 'wait for the ip to expire' to me`
`22:36.57`	`gravity`	`k8to: Yeah, in an ideal world it would be. In a few months hopefully it won't matter anyway`
`22:36.57`	`k8to`	`there's no way this box is set up for composite`
`22:37.09`	`dannythm`	`can any one help me install kwin-baghira in sarge? I'm trying but it don't let me`
`22:37.10`	`k8to`	`gravity: i'm all ears?`
`22:37.20`	`k8to`	`re: won't matter`
`22:37.34`	`gravity`	`k8to: Oh they're fixing the acceleration model so that composite won't be so slow any more`
`22:37.40`	`sussudio`	`gravity: i haven't run xorg after it violently humped my radeon and locked up my machine`
`22:37.41`	`Haukr`	`I cant do that shit tho!`
`22:37.46`	`Haukr`	`because i have no fucking desktop at all`
`22:37.46`	`Haukr`	`!`
`22:37.47`	`k8to`	`won't there still be a cost?`
`22:37.55`	`gravity`	`sussudio: Ouch. DRI?`
`22:37.55`	`k8to`	`this is a c3 866 with matrox videocard ! :o`
`22:37.55`	`sussudio`	`Haukr: can you stop that?`
`22:38.04`	`sussudio`	`gravity: i believe so, yes.`
`22:38.05`	`Haukr`	`look im sorry just my moms gona be pissed off'`
`22:38.07`	`gravity`	`k8to: A cost?`
`22:38.25`	`gravity`	`sussudio: Hrm. It could be the indirect rendering issue that's still being fixed. It seems to be causing a lot of problems lately.`
`22:38.26`	`k8to`	`gravity: won't it still incur overhead`
`22:38.30`	`Haukr`	`i just want a desktop for debian`
`22:38.30`	`gravity`	`sussudio: Upstream is still working on it`
`22:38.32`	`Haukr`	`like`
`22:38.33`	`lightbright`	`dondelelcaro: Thanks for the great help with the perl search and replace command you gave me. It saved me hours of work :)`
`22:38.42`	`gravity`	`k8to: Of course, but your card will be able to accelerate it much better`
`22:38.47`	`Haukr`	`it says username i put it in password same thing then it keeps me in a black backround`
`22:38.49`	`Haukr`	`nothing happens`
`22:38.50`	`gravity`	`k8to: That said, you can always disable it`
`22:39.04`	`sussudio`	`gravity: is svgalib still maintained, btw? it doesn't really function with a lot of cards`
`22:39.12`	`abrotman`	`gravity: my cirrus logic card doesn't have DRI!! HELP ME!!!!111!!`
`22:39.12`	`Haukr`	`like what do i do`
`22:39.14`	`gravity`	`sussudio: I don't think so. I thought it died a long time ago`
`22:39.20`	`gravity`	`abrotman: Get some specs :-p`
`22:39.27`	`Haukr`	`yo can somone please help me`
`22:39.28`	`sussudio`	`abrotman: vesa local bus cirrus logic?`
`22:39.33`	`abrotman`	`gravity: for my 486? :)`
`22:39.35`	`gravity`	`Haukr: Can you log in on the console?`
`22:39.38`	`gravity`	`abrotman: :-D`
`22:39.46`	`Haukr`	`it does the start up thing`
`22:39.51`	`Haukr`	`then gives me like username:`
`22:39.53`	`Haukr`	`password:`
`22:39.55`	`k8to`	`gravity: i was under the impression that the matrox drivers were essentially unmaintained`
`22:40.01`	`k8to`	`gravity: my friend gets garbage on load`
`22:40.07`	`nkuttler`	`Haukr: you already said that`
`22:40.15`	`nkuttler`	`Haukr: and you get a shell, right?`
`22:40.15`	`Haukr`	`then i do that and it like says welcome to debian and stuff but nothing happens really it looks like dos sorta`
`22:40.18`	`gravity`	`k8to: They could definitely use some love and care`
`22:40.26`	`nkuttler`	`Haukr: you need to read the faq`
`22:40.29`	`sussudio`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:40.34`	`gravity`	`...`
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`22:40.41`	`gravity`	`Haukr: Ok... you have a lot to learn`
`22:40.43`	`Haukr`	`dude can somone just help me my moms gona be home soon and im gona be in so much shit`
`22:40.49`	`k8to`	`gravity: thanks, this has been by far the most positive experience I've ever had on #debian`
`22:40.50`	`fbi`	`haha`
`22:40.50`	`Haukr`	`i just want a desktop`
`22:40.55`	`gravity`	`k8to: Glad to hear it :-)`
`22:40.55`	`fbi`	`someone qotd that`
`22:40.58`	`gravity`	`Haukr: Ok...`
`22:41.00`	`sussudio`	`Haukr: you're not serious, are you?... run "startx"`
`22:41.06`	`Haukr`	`i tried`
`22:41.07`	`gravity`	`Haukr: Run the command "tasksel"`
`22:41.20`	`Haukr`	`if i do startx it says bashcommand not found`
`22:41.28`	`sussudio`	`Haukr: if you're running sid/unstable i will ridicule you.`
`22:41.34`	`gravity`	`Haukr: Use tasksel to install the desktop task`
`22:41.35`	`Haukr`	`huh?`
`22:41.47`	`nkuttler`	`Haukr: do what gravity said`
`22:41.50`	`k8to`	`gravity: i will also assign to you, incorrectly, the fact that somewhere since last X restart fluxbox learned to use vastly improved fonts`
`22:41.51`	`FlimFlamMan`	`is the samba "power users" group automatically added to the workstation's local "power users" group when someone logs on?`
`22:41.51`	`Phated`	`Er, folks? Anyone think he's still in base-config? :)`
`22:41.51`	`Haukr`	`i will try`
`22:41.53`	`Haukr`	`brb`
`22:42.00`	`k8to`	`everything is better`
`22:42.06`	`azeem`	`tapas: that's cool, but dpatch and quilt need some special files modified so that patches are actually applied`
`22:42.13`	`azeem`	`tapas: but if it works for you, you're fine`
`22:42.21`	`gravity`	`k8to: Nice. That's a good thing to hear. Some people have had troubles with fonts so it's nice to hear a positive report instead`
`22:42.30`	`gravity`	`I <3 quilt`
`22:42.43`	`asuffield`	`gravity: YOU BROKE ALL MY FONTS`
`22:42.44`	`azeem`	`w&p!`
`22:42.54`	`gravity`	`asuffield: Are you Russian? :-p`
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`22:43.02`	`sussudio`	`in soviet russia, fonts break you`
`22:43.02`	`k8to`	`gravity: recently i have had the "joy" of wrestling with a program that only knows about old-style xfonts`
`22:43.06`	`azeem`	`he might have is locale to klingon`
`22:43.12`	`gravity`	`heh`
`22:43.13`	`azeem`	`s/is/his/`
`22:43.24`	`asuffield`	`k8to: so you spend half an hour configuring it, but at least your fonts do what you tell them to`
`22:43.39`	`asuffield`	`the New World Order is that you spend half an hour randomly guessing font names until you find something tolerable`
`22:43.40`	`k8to`	`gravity: do you know if there's a way to .. feed them arbitrarily sized fonts?.. like a tool that will render an type1 as an old xfont?`
`22:43.44`	`asuffield`	`and then it changes the next time you upgrade anything`
`22:43.48`	`[GABRI]`	`http://rafb.net/paste/results/xQUuF494.html`
`22:43.49`	`[GABRI]`	`help me`
`22:43.53`	`sussudio`	`badger-mushroom-100dpi`
`22:44.00`	`gravity`	`k8to: No, sorry I don't`
`22:44.03`	`k8to`	`tx`
`22:44.20`	`SimonRaven`	`xfonts-badger-mushroom-100dpi`
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`22:44.39`	`dannythm`	`I'm running sarge 3.1 and i'm trying to install kwin-baghira to change my kde gui apearnce and i get many errors, can anyone help me?`
`22:44.49`	`k8to`	`asuffield: hahah and in the process i learned what xrdb with no arguments does`
`22:45.05`	`FlimFlamMan`	`is it possible to increase the maximum number of groups a user can belong to?`
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`22:45.12`	`k8to`	`( i was expecting some kind of info or -query)`
`22:45.12`	`abrotman`	`dannythm: what kind of errors?`
`22:45.19`	`bbrazil`	`FlimFlamMan: kernel compile option`
`22:45.21`	`sussudio`	`[GABRI]: why are you asking in here? ask where you got that source.`
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`22:45.27`	`abrotman`	`FlimFlamMan: jeez .. what's the limit ?`
`22:45.30`	`FlimFlamMan`	`32`
`22:45.34`	`bbrazil`	`FlimFlamMan: you'll probably have to dig for it`
`22:45.34`	`lightbright`	`sussudio: be nice now`
`22:45.56`	`bbrazil`	`FlimFlamMan: note that if you're using NIS or similar to other systems that it could cause fun`
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`22:46.00`	`sussudio`	`why is the banned one talking to me?`
`22:46.01`	`fbi`	`yay! lightbright is back! are you a boy or a girl today?`
`22:46.04`	`SimonRaven`	`hey it's worse for nis, there it's 16`
`22:46.18`	`FlimFlamMan`	`bbrazil, i'll probably avoid it if it's problematic`
`22:46.22`	`dannythm`	`abrotman: other packages errors`
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`22:46.32`	`abrotman`	`sussudio: reban!`
`22:46.35`	`bbrazil`	`FlimFlamMan: I've never done it - but if one system has 64 and another 32...`
`22:46.40`	`lightbright`	`fbi: hehe`
`22:46.42`	`abrotman`	`!seen eutopia`
`22:46.42`	`dpkg`	`eutopia <n=lisa@071.a.001lg.syd.iprimus.net.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 57d 22h 10m 47s ago, saying: 'mwilson: indeed'.`
`22:46.44`	`sussudio`	`abrotman: dynamic ip's are teh sux`
`22:46.46`	`dannythm`	`abrotman: I can post them somewhere... there was a web I don't remember now...`
`22:46.52`	`lightbright`	`fbi: you think my nick sounds gay?`
`22:46.59`	`abrotman`	`sussudio: yes .. but we all know! :)`
`22:47.11`	`SimonRaven`	`ldap doesn't have that 32 limit IIRC, but can cause problems if that user is added to unix flat file ;)`
`22:47.18`	`bbrazil`	`FlimFlamMan: maybe you should rethink your group/permissions structure`
`22:47.19`	`abrotman`	`no . it sounds stupid :)`
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`22:47.26`	`bbrazil`	`SimonRaven: its a kernel limit`
`22:47.31`	`fbi`	`lightbright: no. when i was a child i had a lightbright, but i ate all the pegs. by the time i was 8 i only had enough pegs to make a mutli-colored swastika.`
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`22:47.37`	`abrotman`	`but not nearly as stupid as abrotman`
`22:47.38`	`Tortel`	`!seen Tortel`
`22:47.39`	`dpkg`	`tortel is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 583 messages. Is idling for 1s`
`22:47.44`	`lightbright`	`fbi: lol`
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`22:47.49`	`azeem`	`Tortel: please stop abusing the bot`
`22:47.51`	`SimonRaven`	`bbrazil: yes, you're right. i'd forgotten, thanks`
`22:48.03`	`abrotman`	`fbi: but the toilet was never so colorful!`
`22:48.18`	`fbi`	`abortmint: huh?`
`22:48.20`	`sussudio`	`abrotman: mexican food?`
`22:48.33`	`abrotman`	`sussudio: LiteBrite pegs`
`22:48.36`	`fbi`	`oh`
`22:48.40`	`fbi`	`heh!`
`22:48.44`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
`22:48.51`	`FlimFlamMan`	`bbrazil, i have to have project-level permissions for samba file access...`
`22:48.58`	`dannythm`	`abrotman: the package need other packages and that ones are not the same version it needs or not installed, I tryed installign the ones I dont have but all of them gave me an error tying to install them`
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`22:49.24`	`bbrazil`	`FlimFlamMan: but how many projects will one person be in?`
`22:49.33`	`FlimFlamMan`	`> 32 ? :-)`
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`22:49.42`	`k8to`	`ta ta`
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`22:49.47`	`abrotman`	`dannythm: such as ?`
`22:49.58`	`bbrazil`	`FlimFlamMan: ACLs might be useful to provide sub/supergroup functionality`
`22:50.27`	`FliesLikeALap`	`i just hooked a USB NIC to my server, and dmesg shows it as recognized and bound to a driver, but the device has yet to show up as eth2.. why isn't it there? I know this device should be fully supported, it worked on ubuntu`
`22:50.36`	`FlimFlamMan`	`bbrazil, are acl's difficult to implement?`
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`22:50.45`	`SimonRaven`	`not really`
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`22:50.51`	`ToolBoy`	`HI all.. Anyone cares to help me with settings for my seriell ports please??`
`22:50.56`	`bbrazil`	`FlimFlamMan: no, I think its just a mount option. never got them working myself on woody`
`22:51.00`	`FlimFlamMan`	`do i need a certain filesystem?`
`22:51.03`	`abrotman`	`FliesLikeABrick: ifup ?`
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`22:51.17`	`bbrazil`	`FlimFlamMan: xfs and etx3 have them AFAIK, probably others`
`22:51.26`	`FliesLikeALap`	`abrotman unknown interface`
`22:51.27`	`FlimFlamMan`	`ok, i'm using ext3`
`22:51.31`	`SimonRaven`	`FlimFlamMan: most fses support it, just need to have the option built in`
`22:51.32`	`FlimFlamMan`	`maybe i'll check it out`
`22:51.49`	`tummyacid`	`how can i telnet to a machine hooked into an rs232 port?`
`22:51.57`	`FliesLikeALap`	`ah abrotman nvm got it, added it to /etc/network/interfaces`
`22:51.59`	`abrotman`	`FliesLikeABrick: dmesg .. what is it called ?`
`22:52.00`	`SimonRaven`	`i think only reiser doesn't in fact`
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`22:52.07`	`FlimFlamMan`	`is the samba "power users" group automatically added to the workstation's local "power users" group when someone logs on?`
`22:52.12`	`FliesLikeALap`	`abrotman it dooesn't say in dmesg`
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`22:52.22`	`abrotman`	`ok`
`22:52.29`	`dannythm`	`abrotman: for example kwin-baghira depende de kdelibs4c2 (>= 4:3.4.2-1); sin embargo:`
`22:52.29`	`dannythm`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:52.30`	`dannythm`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:52.30`	`dannythm`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`22:52.35`	`abrotman`	`no comment`
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`22:52.42`	`abrotman`	`and .. obviously not running sarge`
`22:52.46`	`Haukr`	`erm`
`22:52.48`	`bbrazil`	`FlimFlamMan: if its only samba access, using the 'force group' option combined with some variables could do the equivilent of newgrp before there were secondary groups`
`22:52.48`	`Haukr`	`if i do that`
`22:52.58`	`Haukr`	`it gives me a consol under it but does nothing`
`22:53.18`	`gravity`	`Haukr: What are you talking about?`
`22:53.22`	`azeem`	`Haukr: you need to be more specific`
`22:53.22`	`Haukr`	`tasksel`
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`22:53.27`	`tummyacid`	`how can i login to a consol over a serial port?`
`22:53.28`	`Haukr`	`ok i type tasksel`
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`22:53.35`	`Haukr`	`that blue screen comes up`
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`22:53.39`	`Haukr`	`with the options`
`22:53.44`	`FliesLikeALap`	`abrotman eth2 is my 1394 :-/`
`22:53.47`	`stew`	`dannythm: you cannot mix sarge and sid`
`22:53.54`	`stew`	`!tell dannythm about flood`
`22:54.01`	`Haukr`	`i click on desktop thing and then it moves the window up and theres a shell under it but it does nothing`
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`22:54.13`	`azeem`	`Haukr: use the keyboard`
`22:54.14`	`fbi`	`Haukr: highlight 'Desktop environment' and hit the spacebar.`
`22:54.26`	`Haukr`	`spacebar`
`22:54.27`	`Haukr`	`...`
`22:54.36`	`fbi`	`yeah. you know, that long thing?`
`22:54.36`	`abrotman`	`FliesLikeALap: pick a nick!`
`22:54.37`	`Haukr`	`if i do it not in root`
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`22:54.45`	`Haukr`	`it says cannot write to such and such`
`22:54.47`	`gravity`	`Haukr: Do it in root`
`22:54.49`	`azeem`	`Haukr: you need to be root`
`22:54.53`	`Haukr`	`if i do that`
`22:54.54`	`FliesLikeALap`	`abrotman the other is my desktop sorry`
`22:54.56`	`Haukr`	`it does nothing`
`22:55.04`	`Haukr`	`i click enter and the shell comes up`
`22:55.05`	`gravity`	`My god`
`22:55.27`	`Phated`	`gravity: Heheh. You saw his form of request for help... and stepped in willingly? :)`
`22:55.34`	`Haukr`	`press enter`
`22:55.36`	`abrotman`	`fbi: copy/paste`
`22:55.45`	`fbi`	`abrotman: word.`
`22:55.48`	`gravity`	`Phated: I thought he was having X troubles. So much for that.`
`22:55.50`	`abrotman`	`FliesLikeALap: it's probably not eth2 then`
`22:55.52`	`azeem`	`Haukr: what does 'dpkg -l gnome' say at the last line?`
`22:55.58`	`ToolBoy`	`HI all.. Anyone cares to help me with settings for my seriell ports please??`
`22:56.00`	`FliesLikeALap`	`yeah abrotman it looks like it might be eth3`
`22:56.03`	`FrdFlint`	`anyone here know how to send a file in kvirc?`
`22:56.04`	`Haukr`	`hey i want x windows`
`22:56.04`	`Phated`	`gravity: Heh.`
`22:56.05`	`dannythm`	`abrotman: I'll post them somewhere... http://channels.debian.net/paste/960.`
`22:56.07`	`Haukr`	`i just dont seem to have it`
`22:56.09`	`Haukr`	`its just not there!`
`22:56.10`	`FrdFlint`	`i'd sure like to know how`
`22:56.15`	`gravity`	`...`
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`22:56.27`	`citral`	`so it's time to take the ibook out of the cellar`
`22:56.31`	`citral`	`:)`
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`22:56.34`	`Haukr`	`Like theres no desktop or anything like i dont know what the hell i did but its not running in xwindows`
`22:56.35`	`fbi`	`FrdFlint: you dcc it, just like any irc client.`
`22:56.37`	`Haukr`	`how do i fix that`
`22:56.42`	`gravity`	`No shit`
`22:56.43`	`azeem`	`Haukr: what does 'dpkg -l gnome' say at the last line?`
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`22:56.48`	`abrotman`	`dannythm: stew already told you .. you're not running sarge anymore`
`22:56.51`	`Haukr`	`i dont know im not in debian right now`
`22:56.51`	`SimonRaven`	`what was it doing in the cellar in the first place? ;)`
`22:56.51`	`stew`	`dannythm: you cannot install sid packages on sarge`
`22:56.55`	`Haukr`	`im in suse to use the irc client`
`22:56.57`	`azeem`	`Haukr: well, d'oh`
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`22:57.04`	`abrotman`	`It's the thing that only eats hippies!!`
`22:57.04`	`Tortel`	`stew: you can`
`22:57.10`	`abrotman`	`Tortel: NO`
`22:57.15`	`Tortel`	`i forget how...`
`22:57.17`	`stew`	`Tortel: no`
`22:57.18`	`abrotman`	`Tortel: if you're a newb .. you cannot`
`22:57.24`	`azeem`	`Haukr: do you have, say, /usr/bin/gnome-terminal on your Debian partition?`
`22:57.25`	`Haukr`	`brb`
`22:57.29`	`Haukr`	`i dont know`
`22:57.34`	`Phated`	`So check.`
`22:57.38`	`SimonRaven`	`better safe than sorry`
`22:57.38`	`stew`	`Tortel: you cannot upgrade libc6 and libstdc++ and still call it sarge`
`22:57.40`	`Haukr`	`i have to go back in debian`
`22:57.45`	`Haukr`	`then come back here for the irc client`
`22:57.46`	`Haukr`	`arg`
`22:57.48`	`azeem`	`Haukr: why don't you stay with SuSE?`
`22:57.54`	`Haukr`	`because its annoying`
`22:58.00`	`azeem`	`ho-hum`
`22:58.06`	`fbi`	`i love when people boot live cds, etc when they can't get X working.`
`22:58.06`	`tummyacid`	`how do i login to a terminal over an rs232 serial connection?`
`22:58.07`	`Phated`	`No, you don't. Clearly, you haven't learnt how to use Linux itself, never mind Debian, properly. MOUNT the darn partition and look.`
`22:58.10`	`dannythm`	`stew: so.. what can I do to install the package?`
`22:58.18`	`gravity`	`Haukr: I recommend reading a bit about Debian`
`22:58.19`	`abrotman`	`gah .. who the fuck puts spaces in filenames!`
`22:58.22`	`gravity`	`Haukr: Seriously`
`22:58.25`	`dannythm`	`stew: should I download the sources and do it with them?`
`22:58.30`	`Haukr`	`i just want xwindows`
`22:58.37`	`lightbright`	`stew: im using Sarge, yet I installed latest xchat and firefox using the sources from Etch. Can I still call it Sarge?`
`22:58.38`	`Haukr`	`from there i can do the rest`
`22:58.47`	`gravity`	`Haukr: If you can't even drive tasksel then you have a long ways to go`
`22:58.49`	`PerfDave`	`tummyacid: http://technomancer.homelinux.org/~grimoire/temp/serialconsole.txt`
`22:58.54`	`stew`	`lightbright: no`
`22:58.55`	`Haukr`	`WTF dude`
`22:59.00`	`Phated`	`How HARD can it be? apt-get install x-window-system gnome :)`
`22:59.02`	`Haukr`	`i type tasksl`
`22:59.07`	`Haukr`	`tasksel`
`22:59.09`	`lightbright`	`stew: ok i understand`
`22:59.14`	`Haukr`	`then i go to the desktop thing`
`22:59.22`	`Haukr`	`then i press enter and nothing happens!!!`
`22:59.28`	`stew`	`dannythm: if it depends on a specific version of kde it might not be easy, but try /msg dpkg simple sid backport ; or ask #debian-kde`
`22:59.32`	`azeem`	`Haukr: somebody told you to press the spacebar...`
`22:59.37`	`Haukr`	`ok i will try`
`22:59.38`	`Haukr`	`brb`
`22:59.38`	`stew`	`lightbright: what verson does "dpkg -l libc6" report?`
`22:59.44`	`sander`	`none know anything at getting raid devices to work on bootup?`
`22:59.46`	`gravity`	`Amazing`
`22:59.52`	`gravity`	`When did tasksel get too hard?`
`23:00.01`	`azeem`	`gravity: s/tasksel/dialog/`
`23:00.02`	`Phated`	`gravity: When people got too stupid.`
`23:00.05`	`lightbright`	`stew: it says: libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22`
`23:00.06`	`stew`	`i think he's just having xsession errors`
`23:00.10`	`eeyore-`	`somebody take the keyboard away from haukr`
`23:00.15`	`stew`	`lightbright: and libstdc++6?`
`23:00.19`	`abrotman`	`lightbright: and dpkg -l mozilla-firefox and xchat`
`23:00.22`	`eeyore-`	`i don't think he's even fit to run windows, for crying out loud`
`23:00.22`	`Phated`	`eeyore-: Oooh, can we hit him with it? :)`
`23:00.29`	`dannythm`	`stew: thanks! I'll go to deb-kde n_n`
`23:00.43`	`lightbright`	`stew: it said: No packages found matching libstdc++6.`
`23:00.55`	`eeyore-`	`Phated: there ought to be a sign ... Must be this -> <- smart to use this computer`
`23:00.58`	`abrotman`	`lightbright: and dpkg -l mozilla-firefox and xchat`
`23:01.08`	`Phated`	`eeyore-: There is, but they can't read it, can they.`
`23:01.08`	`lightbright`	`stew: so what does all that mean?`
`23:01.12`	`SimonRaven`	`s/he left`
`23:01.14`	`stew`	`lightbright: huh, sounds like its still pretty much sarge then. i don't know why you'd want to install etch's firefox though, isn't it older than sarges?`
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`23:01.37`	`SimonRaven`	`ow, my hips hurt`
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`23:01.44`	`Phated`	`Eh? Shouldn't etch have a newer ff than sarge?`
`23:01.51`	`deadcat`	`i am trying to record tv show with mencoder, but i cant get the sound working.`
`23:01.55`	`fbi`	`stupid question, but how would etch have an older version`
`23:01.57`	`acid-trip`	`FrdFlint,`
`23:01.58`	`acid-trip`	`hey`
`23:02.06`	`lightbright`	`stew: well it is 1.07 and sarge was 1.0.6 (aka 1.4.3 or something).`
`23:02.08`	`abrotman`	`Phated: not really`
`23:02.16`	`abrotman`	`and obviously lightbright can't read ..`
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`23:02.19`	`Phated`	`Or at least the same?`
`23:02.26`	`Phated`	`abrotman: Why not?`
`23:02.27`	`xfan`	`fbi : edit the sound config with: kmix or alsamixer`
`23:02.29`	`abrotman`	`the one in etch IS older than sarge's`
`23:02.33`	`gravity`	`It could be due to the mozilla security garbage`
`23:02.37`	`abrotman`	`read the DSAs`
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`23:02.40`	`stew`	`Phated: no, they couldn't backport security updates to 1.0.4 so they put 1.0.6 into stable`
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`23:02.43`	`Phated`	`Oh, right, fuck moz, eh. :)`
`23:02.43`	`fbi`	`xfan: ok, but why?`
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`23:02.58`	`gravity`	`Mozilla basically makes it impossible to backport fixes. So Debian has to put the new versions in for those cases.`
`23:02.59`	`Phated`	`stew: I see. Thanks for clearing that up.`
`23:03.02`	`gravity`	`Yay fun`
`23:03.14`	`abrotman`	`!pimp volatile`
`23:03.21`	`xfan`	`fbi : and make sure to check the "line record" (red color)`
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`23:03.31`	`fbi`	`xfan: what the hell are you talking about.`
`23:03.31`	`SimonRaven`	`heh`
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`23:03.39`	`stew`	`Phated: actually it looks like testing caught up now, but for a while, yes stable's was newer (as was true for quite a few packages). but i guess that's not going to be true as often now that testing-security is real`
`23:03.47`	`Phated`	`stew: Ah.`
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`23:04.20`	`stew`	`lightbright: that's sid's even. sooner or later you are going to get burned if you install unstable packages on stable, esp. since major abi revisions have entered testing/unstable since sarge released`
`23:04.30`	`xfan`	`fbi : on alsamixer: turn "on" the "line"`
`23:04.36`	`lightbright`	`stew: burned in what way?`
`23:04.49`	`SimonRaven`	`can anyone say 'crash and burn'? i knew you could`
`23:04.53`	`gravity`	`lightbright: Your bladder will explode`
`23:05.00`	`lightbright`	`gravity: hehehe :P`
`23:05.02`	`fbi`	`xfan: dude, can you please stop mentioning me? i didn't ask for any help.`
`23:05.12`	`SimonRaven`	`into millions of tiny little mini-bladders`
`23:05.17`	`stew`	`lightbright: something you upgrade is going to pull in many dependencies from unstable and you'll essentially be running unstable, which is uhhh, unstable`
`23:05.21`	`xfan`	`sorry.. i mistake`
`23:05.29`	`fbi`	`no problem.`
`23:05.32`	`lightbright`	`stew: I typed: . apt-get build-dep xchat ; apt-get -b source xchat;`
`23:05.46`	`lightbright`	`stew: and the same for Firefox`
`23:05.49`	`stew`	`lightbright: oh`
`23:05.55`	`stew`	`lightbright: no wonder, yeah that is the way to do it`
`23:06.06`	`deadcat`	`i am trying to watch tv with mplayer, but cant seem to get sound right.`
`23:06.14`	`SimonRaven`	`that's not so bad, just make sure you remove that after`
`23:06.19`	`stew`	`lightbright: that is perfectly safe. I thought you were doing "apt-get -t testing install xchat" which is another story`
`23:06.19`	`abrotman`	`deadcat: read a book`
`23:06.21`	`lightbright`	`stew: cool :) I even think it was you or dondelelcaro who recommended I do it that way to begin with :)`
`23:06.21`	`xfan`	`that was for "deadcat" ......xD`
`23:06.25`	`eeyore-`	`stew: live a little :-)`
`23:06.29`	`deadcat`	`abrotman: i did`
`23:06.40`	`azeem`	`well, "install using the sources from etch" is a loaded term in Debian`
`23:06.43`	`lightbright`	`stew: ah ok :) im glad im doing it right then :) thanks for your help`
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`23:06.55`	`SimonRaven`	`depends on what exactly, if only deb-src, thats even better`
`23:07.17`	`Coutal`	`anybody here knows a bit about framebuffers? i'm having quite some trouble with my machine.`
`23:08.04`	`deadcat`	`hehe`
`23:08.13`	`deadcat`	`SimonRaven: ya. that bitch has got to go.`
`23:08.15`	`eeyore-`	`SimonRaven: hurricane?`
`23:08.20`	`SimonRaven`	`yes`
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`23:08.40`	`SimonRaven`	`we didn't get her full blast, but it's cold and raining`
`23:08.42`	`stew`	`i could use a hurricane, but of a different sort`
`23:08.54`	`SimonRaven`	`they even had snow to the south of me`
`23:09.05`	`abrotman`	`it's been raining here for 24hours`
`23:09.10`	`SimonRaven`	`expecting 15 cm`
`23:09.24`	`stew`	`its been raining here for like 40 days and 40 nights`
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`23:09.30`	`SillyCone`	`Hi, I've just installed a debian 3.1 and I get "no screens found" error when gdm is trying to load. Can somebody help me?`
`23:09.37`	`SimonRaven`	`sure feels like it`
`23:09.42`	`PerfDave`	`!no screens found`
`23:09.42`	`dpkg`	`no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about "troubleshooting x".`
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`23:09.48`	`mfrisch`	`stew get the ark ready ...`
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`23:09.52`	`MrBallZ`	`hi, I have this sort of problem: I apt-get 'ed the gphoto2 program, and also the libgphoto2 , but they are kind of out dated , for my camera, so I downloaded the new versions and when compiling gphoto I had problems with the libgphoto2 so I apt-get the libghpoto2-dev , and could compile ghphoto, but it compiled with the old version of libgphoto, so now I downloaded the new libgphoto 2.1.6 but I compile it and everything,`
`23:09.52`	`MrBallZ`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:09.58`	`stew`	`mfrisch: yeah, i'm way behind`
`23:10.02`	`MrBallZ`	`sorry for long question =)`
`23:10.13`	`abrotman`	`stew: yeah .. pretty much .. had what .. 4 sunny days in 3 weeks ?`
`23:10.16`	`PerfDave`	`MrBallZ: How did you download and compile the new versions?`
`23:10.32`	`abrotman`	`MrBallZ: f-spot ?`
`23:10.34`	`MrBallZ`	`PerfDave: downloaded them from sourceforge. ./configure , make , make install`
`23:10.42`	`MrBallZ`	`abrotman: what is f-spot ???`
`23:10.48`	`abrotman`	`!info f-spot`
`23:10.51`	`dpkg`	`f-spot: (personal photo management application), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.1.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 553 kB, Installed size: 2160 kB`
`23:10.53`	`stew`	`abrotman: yeah, it looks like we're having the rainest month on record ever for this region`
`23:11.00`	`abrotman`	`gah .. fuck .. jack .. shit .. work .. damn it`
`23:11.01`	`SimonRaven`	`i just hope the gulf stream doesn't stop, then we're in for deep doodoo, esp. europe. see their temperate climate go bye-bye`
`23:11.12`	`PerfDave`	`MrBallZ: OK, did you install them into /usr/local/bin or straight into /usr/bin ?`
`23:11.17`	`deadcat`	`xfan: no sound even the lines are up`
`23:11.29`	`deadcat`	`xfan: Audio: no sound`
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`23:13.26`	`MrBallZ`	`PerfDave: normal install, i think to /usr/local/bin ...`
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`23:14.09`	`MrBallZ`	`PerfDave: so i was going to apt-get remove libphoto2-2 but its going to remove a lot of programs also ... so .. .what can I do ...`
`23:14.16`	`xfan`	`deadcat : do you have kmix ?`
`23:14.42`	`PerfDave`	`MrBallZ: So you compiled the latest version of libgphoto2 into /usr/local, then compiled the latest version of gphoto2 into /usr/local, but the version of gphoto2 you compiled has linked against the old libgphoto2 and not the new one?`
`23:15.06`	`MrBallZ`	`PerfDave: Yes,`
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`23:15.42`	`PerfDave`	`MrBallZ: OK, then you need to specify the location of the new libgphoto2 when you compile gphoto2. Or you can take the easy option and delete the stuff in /usr/local and just backport the Sid packages to Sarge.`
`23:15.58`	`abrotman`	`that was useful :)`
`23:16.23`	`SillyCone`	`OK, I'm getting the following error: (EE) no devices detected. I have GeForce 6800. I tried running the xfree86 configuration, tried the nv driver and vesa driver. Same thing.`
`23:16.56`	`fbi`	`SillyCone: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner`
`23:17.12`	`PerfDave`	`SillyCone: You're running Sarge? I don't know if the nv driver in Sarge supports the GeForce 6800, your best option may be to install the closed-source nVidia binary driver; /msg dpkg nvidia`
`23:17.30`	`MrBallZ`	`PerfDave: ill try that last one ...`
`23:17.43`	`SillyCone`	`Yes, Sarge. ok, I'll try that.`
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`23:17.54`	`PerfDave`	`MrBallZ: /msg dpgk simple sid backport`
`23:17.58`	`PerfDave`	`MrBallZ: /msg dpkg simple sid backport`
`23:18.01`	`goombah234`	Somehow I broke gcc. I'm getting the following message: undefined reference to `__libc_stack_end@GLIBC_2.1'. Can someone tell me what gcc depends on that is breaking here?
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`23:18.07`	`abrotman`	`somehow ?`
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`23:18.18`	`fbi`	`"my friend did it"`
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`23:18.42`	`SimonRaven`	`my friend the windoze virus`
`23:19.28`	`Firestarter2`	`how do I enable ftp and telnet from other systems to this one`
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`23:19.31`	`goombah234`	`I installed some stuff from testing and I think part of my system is still in stable or unstable`
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`23:19.51`	`goombah234`	`does gcc depend on gcc?`
`23:20.00`	`PerfDave`	`Firestarter2: You almost certainly don't want to do that - ftp and telnet are both insecure and outdated. Use SSH and SFTP from the ssh package instead.`
`23:20.01`	`SimonRaven`	`i doubt it would be unstable...`
`23:20.03`	`goombah234`	`whoops: does gcc depend on glibc?`
`23:20.04`	`abrotman`	`goombah234: no .. gcc is gcc`
`23:20.16`	`goombah234`	`doh! tired..`
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`23:20.45`	`SimonRaven`	`!depends gcc-4.0.2`
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`23:20.57`	`abrotman`	`how hard can it be to make the stupid encoder not use spaces in file names?!?!`
`23:21.04`	`SimonRaven`	`meh`
`23:21.07`	`SimonRaven`	`!depends gcc-4.0`
`23:21.09`	`dpkg`	`gcc-4.0: depends on gcc-4.0-base (= 4.0.2-2), cpp-4.0 (= 4.0.2-2), binutils (>= 2.16.1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.2-2), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21)`
`23:21.23`	`abrotman`	`i can't believe gcc has depends`
`23:21.25`	`goombah234`	`you are getting that from apt-cache show gcc?`
`23:21.26`	`deadcat`	`no one record tv shows here?`
`23:21.40`	`abrotman`	`goombah234: it would be the same ..`
`23:21.49`	`SimonRaven`	`goombah234: the bot has access to debian related data`
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`23:22.08`	`Firestarter2`	`PerfDave, I have an app that needs these ports open is there a way to allow them to be used?`
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`23:22.35`	`goombah234`	`I don't get this bot thing on this list exactly, but I'll fix THAT one later...`
`23:22.36`	`SimonRaven`	`if it's listening on those ports, they're open already`
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`23:22.45`	`PerfDave`	`Firestarter2: You can run a telnet and FTP server on your own machine, I'd advise fixing the app that "needs" them to be open though.`
`23:22.57`	`SimonRaven`	`like removing it`
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`23:23.36`	`goombah234`	`so if gcc is giving me an undefined reference, this means that some library is probably mismatched, right?`
`23:23.40`	`thepeet`	`how can i set my ath0 device to authenticate with a shared 128-bit wep key ? :)`
`23:23.49`	`abrotman`	`why would anyone ever make an app that puts spaces in filenames .. by default ..`
`23:23.55`	`thepeet`	`iwconfig ath0 key <string> open/restricted doesn't work..`
`23:23.58`	`PerfDave`	`thepeet: apt-get install wireless-tools`
`23:24.03`	`SimonRaven`	`yes, likely libc6, since that was very specifically glibc stuff`
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`23:24.04`	`Gnea`	`hrm`
`23:24.11`	`goombah234`	`abrotman: macs do it all the time`
`23:24.19`	`abrotman`	`goombah234: macs are stupid too`
`23:24.24`	`thepeet`	`PerfDave: i'm running a live-cd. and i want to know how todo it from commandline.`
`23:24.28`	`PerfDave`	`thepeet: There is no standard for generating hex keys from strings. Use the long list of hex digits instead.`
`23:24.39`	`PerfDave`	`thepeet: If you're running a live CD, what are you doing on #debian?`
`23:24.58`	`thepeet`	`PerfDave: it's running on the debian build?`
`23:25.24`	`PerfDave`	`thepeet: #knoppix for Knoppix, #ubuntu for Ubuntu, other channels for other Debian-based distros :)`
`23:25.38`	`Firestarter2`	`PerfDave: The program i'm running sayes that something else is using port 21 and 23 is there a way to find out what is using them?`
`23:25.44`	`thepeet`	`PerfDave: okay:)`
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`23:26.13`	`PerfDave`	`Firestarter2: netstat`
`23:26.17`	`goombah234`	`abrotman: yeah, those silly data forks that FTP likes to shave off`
`23:26.36`	`abrotman`	`goombah234: it's one of the stupidest things any OS has ever allowed`
`23:26.49`	`abrotman`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:26.53`	`abrotman`	`really . how is that usable ?`
`23:27.05`	`markos_`	`Firestarter2: try lsof -i`
`23:27.07`	`PerfDave`	`abrotman: What app?`
`23:27.13`	`SimonRaven`	`tab it`
`23:27.27`	`abrotman`	`PerfDave: jack .. like i've been saying :)`
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`23:27.31`	`SimonRaven`	`then rename the dumb thing`
`23:27.43`	`abrotman`	`SimonRaven: it's supposed to be automated`
`23:27.46`	`PerfDave`	`abrotman: abcde! :)`
`23:27.48`	`abrotman`	`SimonRaven: which i could do ..`
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`23:28.00`	`abrotman`	`PerfDave: tried it .. didn't do what i wanted for some reason`
`23:28.20`	`SimonRaven`	`yeh well it isn't being very automatic, is it? :)`
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`23:28.49`	`abrotman`	`it's ripping fine .. encoding fine .. naming like a gentoobie with a lower than average IQ(yes .. gentoobie average IQ)`
`23:28.51`	`PerfDave`	`abrotman: What did you want it to do that it didn't?`
`23:28.59`	`abrotman`	`PerfDave: i don't remember . let me look again`
`23:29.32`	`SimonRaven`	`goddamn thing gets fucking slow when there's heavy disk i/o....`
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`23:29.49`	`SimonRaven`	`i want a ppc with scsi busses on it`
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`23:29.55`	`PerfDave`	`abcde wins just for this comment in the config file: # Output filename format - change this to reflect your inner desire to organize things differently than everyone else :)`
`23:30.11`	`SimonRaven`	`heh`
`23:30.19`	`abrotman`	`SimonRaven: blame apple for cheaping out while still charging an arm&leg`
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`23:30.40`	`SimonRaven`	`abrotman: they also went to ide years ago...`
`23:30.57`	`abrotman`	`SimonRaven: see prior comment`
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`23:30.59`	`PerfDave`	`SimonRaven: Can you not get a non-Apple PPC? :)`
`23:31.16`	`PerfDave`	`I was looking into some IBM PowerPC desktops a while ago, they seemed pretty groovy.`
`23:31.33`	`Coutal`	`you can get machines from genesei for a somewhat sane price, iirc`
`23:31.37`	`Coutal`	`or a good used one off ebay`
`23:31.37`	`SimonRaven`	`PerfDave: they cost a lot too :\|. partly due to the open firmware group's outrageous licensing fees`
`23:31.47`	`abrotman`	`PerfDave: they are .. 5k+`
`23:31.50`	`SimonRaven`	`actually, mostly because of that`
`23:31.51`	`abrotman`	`USD`
`23:32.03`	`abrotman`	`SimonRaven: they come with much better hardware`
`23:32.21`	`SimonRaven`	`yes they do. not like this POS i'm typing from`
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`23:33.09`	`SimonRaven`	`even the old ppcs i have kicks its ass, and it's 'newer'`
`23:33.10`	`abrotman`	`PerfDave: might have been that it wouldnt' continue if freedb query fails .. let me keep reading`
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`23:33.23`	`abrotman`	`PerfDave: there was one i tried that wouldn't continue`
`23:35.17`	`PerfDave`	`abrotman: Nah, abcde doesn't have that problem, it just gives you a blank template to fill in`
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`23:35.30`	`abrotman`	`PerfDave: yes .. i don't want that :)`
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`23:35.46`	`SimonRaven`	`next money i get i'm getting a pci ide card for this thing`
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`23:35.54`	`\|XO4\|`	`internet acting funny again`
`23:36.14`	`PerfDave`	`abrotman: How do you want it to behave if it can't connect to freedb?`
`23:36.22`	`abrotman`	`PerfDave: random string please :)`
`23:36.35`	`abrotman`	`PerfDave: i have stuff not in freedb`
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`23:36.48`	`abrotman`	`PerfDave: but i really don't feel like going through that crap`
`23:37.01`	`jlmb`	`I need to remove a certain key from know_hosts but keys are encrypted now. Ideas?`
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`23:37.28`	`SimonRaven`	`they're hashed, unhash them, man ssh`
`23:37.44`	`jlmb`	`SimonRaven: thanks`
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`23:37.59`	`PerfDave`	`abrotman: You can use a local CDDB database, it defaults to $HOME/.cddb which is where grip puts stuff`
`23:38.09`	`abrotman`	`if i could just get jack to do the dam space thing . .it woudl be perfect`
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`23:39.28`	`SimonRaven`	`_rene_: isp fucking with your head, eh?`
`23:39.47`	`goombah234`	`still messing with this gcc problem - if I check in ldconfig, I get two entries for libc.so.c, they are libc-2.3.2.so and libc-2.3.5.so. I only have one version of glibc installed. Is there a way to find out if one of the packages needs the 2.3.2 item?`
`23:40.18`	`SimonRaven`	`uh, there should be only one...`
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`23:40.42`	`SimonRaven`	`dpkg -S file`
`23:40.43`	`dpkg`	`Badgers ate my file!`
`23:41.11`	`goombah234`	`I guess if there were two, and the old one was first, that would be the one gcc would try in the ldconfig hash, probably`
`23:41.12`	`SimonRaven`	`dpkg: whateva`
`23:41.12`	`dpkg`	`somebody said eva was the nicest girl in the universe.`
`23:41.27`	`SimonRaven`	`o_O`
`23:41.52`	`SimonRaven`	`yes`
`23:42.08`	`goombah234`	`weird. It's part of amd64-libs. This is not an amd machine.`
`23:43.04`	`goombah234`	`still didn't solve it though`
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`23:43.11`	`goombah234`	`removing it I mean`
`23:43.29`	`spldart`	`I don't believe my debian sarge install is seeing both cpu's.... what can I do?`
`23:43.40`	`SimonRaven`	`re-run ldconfig`
`23:43.44`	`pipeline`	`spldart: Install an smp kernel.`
`23:43.51`	`pipeline`	`spldart: Then reboot with the new kernel.`
`23:43.56`	`spldart`	`can you recommend one?`
`23:44.00`	`lightbright`	`spldart: Sarge supports dual processors?`
`23:44.02`	`spldart`	`and thank you for the response`
`23:44.04`	`SimonRaven`	`and you should remove the package if you don't need it, not just remove the file`
`23:44.07`	`Guerin`	`spldart: the same one you have now with -smp on it`
`23:44.15`	`pipeline`	`spldart: Whatever kernel you have now with -smp added onto the end of the name should be fine :P`
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`23:44.20`	`spldart`	`debiansarge xfree gnome`
`23:44.20`	`goombah234`	`do I need to reboot after ldconfig?`
`23:44.20`	`pipeline`	`lightbright: Of course.`
`23:44.28`	`Guerin`	`lightbright: the linux kernel supports more CPUs than you'll ever need it to`
`23:44.35`	`lightbright`	`pipeline: wow, I didnt know that. great`
`23:44.40`	`Gnea`	`hey, i can't get bc to accept standard input in order to add a bunch of numbers - is there some undocumented way of doing that?`
`23:44.55`	`SimonRaven`	`goombah234: no`
`23:44.57`	`Gnea`	`i just want to add a bunch of numbers`
`23:45.09`	`abrotman`	`Gnea: use Perl? :)`
`23:45.11`	`spldart`	`can I pull up the kernel number I'm using now readily so I can apt search the smp version??`
`23:45.14`	`pipeline`	`lightbright: Linux has had pretty good SMP support since like, 2001.`
`23:45.18`	`goombah234`	`damn. still broken.`
`23:45.21`	`SimonRaven`	`echo "21312 + 234" \| bc -l`
`23:45.22`	`Gnea`	`abrotman: need to be on the command line - got some code for this?`
`23:45.24`	`Guerin`	`spldart: unme -r`
`23:45.25`	`pipeline`	`lightbright: And it had mediocre SMP for years befoer that.`
`23:45.29`	`Guerin`	`spldart: uname -r`
`23:45.32`	`bucky`	`spldart, apt-cache search linux-image`
`23:45.33`	`goombah234`	`guess I'll just keep poking around`
`23:45.55`	`lightbright`	`pipeline: thats great`
`23:45.55`	`Gnea`	`SimonRaven: thanks`
`23:46.01`	`SimonRaven`	`should settle down eventually`
`23:46.11`	`lightbright`	`bucky: hello my friend :) whats new?`
`23:46.23`	`bucky`	`not much.. nice sunny day`
`23:46.39`	`jlmb`	`SimonRaven: I can't seem to find any option to unhash (aren't hashes one way...? )`
`23:46.43`	`lightbright`	`bucky: yeah here too`
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`23:47.02`	`nvz`	`must be nice, we haven't seen the sun in days`
`23:47.06`	`abrotman`	`Gnea: echo "blah" \| bc ?`
`23:47.10`	`lightbright`	`nvz: yeah`
`23:47.18`	`SimonRaven`	`jlmb: yeh. there be a way to modify it - too tired to look`
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`23:47.51`	`lightbright`	`bucky: get your pm?`
`23:48.06`	`bucky`	`is it personal?`
`23:48.14`	`lightbright`	`bucky: sort of`
`23:48.29`	`spldart`	`I'm running 2.4.27-2-386 and not finding something with smp`
`23:48.33`	`Guerin`	`what the fuck is the point of talking about a PM in a public channel?`
`23:48.38`	`Guerin`	`get a room or something`
`23:48.44`	`stew`	`!room`
`23:48.45`	`dpkg`	`CHANNEL!`
`23:48.50`	`stew`	`:)`
`23:48.56`	`lightbright`	`stew: :_`
`23:48.57`	`Guerin`	`spldart: apt-cache search 2.4.27 smp`
`23:48.58`	`lightbright`	`stew: :)`
`23:49.00`	`sussudio`	`!channel`
`23:49.00`	`dpkg`	`i heard channel is This refers to the group of resellers that supply most companies with software, hardware, and support. The channel is a force to be reckoned with, and it competes directly against companies like Gateway 2000 and Dell. A channel can also be a content container, like a television channel. You may be watching TV channels on the Internet someday.`
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`23:49.48`	`spldart`	`That's a big return of hits.... any recomendations for dual amd bartons?`
`23:50.16`	`Guerin`	`spldart: -k7 or -386`
`23:50.25`	`pipeline`	`spldart, Guerin : You mean -k7 or -686.`
`23:50.41`	`Guerin`	`pipeline: since when wew any amd chips 686 compatible?`
`23:50.42`	`P8ntKid`	`whats the command that i can run in a terminal that tells me the name of the key i press down?`
`23:50.53`	`pipeline`	`Guerin: 1995, I think.`
`23:50.55`	`spldart`	`uh oh... is it 386 or 686?`
`23:50.55`	`Guerin`	`they're 586 compatible, but not 686, unless something's changed recently`
`23:51.01`	`Guerin`	`um, nope.`
`23:51.08`	`nof`	`I'm having trouble getting my usb to work, i moved my system to a new case, and i switched the ide configuration a little`
`23:51.15`	`nof`	`i've fixed everything else`
`23:51.26`	`Coweater`	`they aren't 686? what are they missing?`
`23:51.34`	`spldart`	`if it helps they are like xp2400's of a good vintage and barton that I MP and multiplier modded to mp 3000 territory`
`23:51.34`	`nof`	`not getting anything when i lsusb`
`23:51.45`	`pipeline`	`Guerin: Oh, it appears I was wrong. The k6 series were not, in fact, 686-compatible. K7 and K8 chips are.`
`23:51.50`	`pipeline`	`Coweater: Guerin is full of shit.`
`23:51.53`	`Guerin`	`pipeline: ah, ok.`
`23:52.00`	`goombah234`	`p8ntKid: is it xmacroplay?`
`23:52.00`	`pipeline`	`spldart: Don't overclock. Recipe for pain and failure.`
`23:52.06`	`nof`	`also`
`23:52.07`	`nof`	`nof@snow:/proc/bus/usb$ ls -l`
`23:52.07`	`nof`	`total 0`
`23:52.07`	`nof`	`-r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 2005-10-25 18:33 devices`
`23:52.07`	`nof`	`-r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 2005-10-25 18:33 drivers`
`23:52.07`	`nof`	`nof@snow:/proc/bus/usb$`
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`23:52.20`	`pipeline`	`spldart: I would recommend chucking your computer out a window then committing a quiet suicide in a secluded area.`
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`23:52.51`	`P8ntKid`	`goodtod, Nah. Its something differnt. I just forgot what it is. Like when i run it. And i press down the "." key it will tell me the name of the key is called "periiod"`
`23:52.52`	`Guerin`	`nof: don't paste here`
`23:52.56`	`spldart`	`been overclocking for years`
`23:53.00`	`nof`	`aya`
`23:53.03`	`nof`	`i got kicked`
`23:53.08`	`nof`	`figured that out =)`
`23:53.11`	`lightbright`	`nof: really? :P`
`23:53.12`	`pipeline`	`spldart: You've probably been an idiot since birth. The length of time involved isn't really the point.`
`23:53.23`	`spldart`	`this machine is 24/7 overclock for 3 years`
`23:53.26`	`nvz`	`heh`
`23:53.31`	`pipeline`	`You're still a moron. Go away.`
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`23:53.49`	`spldart`	`of course it started out as dual xp1700s`
`23:54.00`	`nof`	`any ideas about how i can check to see if my usb hardware is working correctly?`
`23:54.01`	`spldart`	`so.. what kernel is best for me?`
`23:54.17`	`nof`	`because as far as i can tell everything is configured properly`
`23:54.29`	`nof`	`just doesn't work anymore`
`23:55.04`	`P8ntKid`	`goodtod, Its "xev" i figures it out. thanks though.`
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`23:55.40`	`nvz`	`dpkg, flw45 is <reply> <spldart> been overclocking for years << pipeline> spldart: You've probably been an idiot since birth. The length of time involved isn't`
`23:55.40`	`abrotman`	`nof: depends what it is`
`23:55.40`	`dpkg`	`okay, nvz`
`23:55.52`	`alexbodn`	`does anybody have a running woody?`
`23:55.58`	`abrotman`	`nvz!!!!!!!!!!!!!`
`23:56.04`	`lightbright`	`alexbodn: not me :P`
`23:56.05`	`nvz`	`abrotman: !!!`
`23:56.06`	`LocoSway`	`alexbodn: i stopped viagra months ago`
`23:56.07`	`nof`	`well i switched cases and messed up my ide config a little bit`
`23:56.15`	`nof`	`do u think that would have anything to do with it`
`23:56.17`	`abrotman`	`!flw45`
`23:56.18`	`dpkg`	`<spldart> been overclocking for years << pipeline> spldart: You've probably been an idiot since birth. The length of time involved isn't`
`23:56.33`	`abrotman`	`isn't what?`
`23:56.44`	`LocoSway`	`relavent probably`
`23:56.46`	`Gnea`	`abrotman: riddle me this...`
`23:56.48`	`SimonRaven`	`didn't finish the paste`
`23:56.52`	`Gnea`	abrotman: for i in `find /usr/bin/ -ls \| awk '{print $7}'`; do j=`echo $i`; k=`echo "$j" \| tr '\n' '+' \| sed -e 's/+/\ +\ /g'`; echo "\"$k" \| tr '\n' ' ' ; done
`23:57.02`	`LocoSway`	`holy jesus`
`23:57.08`	`SimonRaven`	`wee`
`23:57.11`	`abrotman`	`Gnea: you're missing a semicolon`
`23:57.18`	`LocoSway`	`hah`
`23:57.18`	`Coweater`	`it's hardly foolish to be overclocking the 1700s, at least if he's got the ones i think he has`
`23:57.21`	`sussudio`	`abrotman: that's gotta hurt`
`23:57.25`	`nof`	`i have usbfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs rw 0 0 in /etc/mtab that means i have kernel support and it's mounted right?`
`23:57.39`	`abrotman`	`Gnea: what about it ?`
`23:57.40`	`Gnea`	`abrotman: the list should begin with one ", and end with one ", not have "'s all over`
`23:57.54`	`nof`	`under /proc/bus/usb i only have device and driver directories`
`23:57.58`	`nof`	`shouldn't i have something else`
`23:58.01`	`nof`	`like 001`
`23:58.02`	`nof`	`or somethign`
`23:58.05`	`spldart`	`Ok.... since dpkg is a slack jawed faggot I will dismiss anything he says out of hand`
`23:58.09`	`abrotman`	`STOP HITTING ENTER`
`23:58.14`	`Gnea`	`abrotman: that way it can all be piped into bc -l to add them all up in one fell swoop.`
`23:58.25`	`alexbodn`	`i have packaged some upstream source depending on gtk-1.2, and i have curious problems on etch. again, does anybody have woody?`
`23:58.26`	`SimonRaven`	`@tell spldart -about gay`
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`23:58.56`	`nvz`	`abrotman: I fixed it`
`23:58.57`	`spldart`	`ok pipeline is gay...`
`23:58.59`	`spldart`	`whateva`
`23:59.00`	`abrotman`	`Gnea: i'm looking`
`23:59.02`	`abrotman`	`spldart: don't do that`
`23:59.19`	`c_k`	`ass I hate email servers sometime`
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`23:59.30`	`jlmb`	`SimonRaven: done, thanks`
`23:59.32`	`SimonRaven`	`...`
`23:59.34`	`nof`	`ahhh i just wanna get my joypad working so i can dance pad and play nes emulators@!`
`23:59.36`	`SimonRaven`	`jlmb: cool`
`23:59.45`	`nof`	`no one has any ideas?`
`23:59.50`	`mejde`	`does the problem seen on http://chaozer.zapto.org/mums.png look familiar to anyone?`
`23:59.53`	`Servo888`	`What's the most agressive way to kill a pid? I have a pid that's defunct - and wont die =\`
`23:59.54`	`sussudio`	`!tell LocoSway about away`

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