| 00:00.50 | abrotman | Baeaeken: check the FAQ .. i'm pretty sure it's there |
| 00:00.52 | abrotman | !xsf |
| 00:00.52 | dpkg | somebody said xsf was the X Strike Force, home of Debian's XFree86 packages, at http://people.debian.org/~branden/ or http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/NEWS.xhtml |
| 00:00.54 | Tortel | me spel gud |
| 00:01.13 | Tortel | cant find it, ill try later |
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| 00:02.30 | stew | Tortel: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 00:02.52 | yoel | abrotman: what now? |
| 00:03.27 | yoel | abrotman: I still don't have /usr/doc/iptables |
| 00:03.33 | Baeaeken | abrotman: google:rized for quite some time, but never came to think about the FAQ =P |
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| 00:04.58 | Tortel | abroteman: How long have you used debian? |
| 00:05.12 | Tortel | You seem to be one of the experts around here |
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| 00:05.41 | Baeaeken | Didn't find it, anyway. |
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| 00:06.15 | Baeaeken | Changed in my /etc/X11/xorg.conf with no result :( |
| 00:06.32 | NURV | Does anyone has LPI cert? |
| 00:06.34 | Guerin | HAHA |
| 00:06.40 | Guerin | abrotman an expert! |
| 00:06.44 | abrotman | yoel: /usr/share/doc/iptables |
| 00:06.52 | yoel | haa.. dpkg says iptables 2.4.x has some security holes! how can i check if i'm infected? |
| 00:07.01 | abrotman | Tortel: maybe i am .. maybe i'm not |
| 00:07.09 | Guerin | yoel: do you have reason to think you are? |
| 00:07.21 | abrotman | Baeaeken: i've seen it answered |
| 00:07.43 | yoel | Guerin: I have the default from sarge... |
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| 00:08.11 | abrotman | Baeaeken: http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#ltkeys |
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| 00:08.26 | Guerin | yoel: has your computer been doing anything which leads you to believe that you're compromised? |
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| 00:08.39 | yoel | Guerin: no.. I just afraid it will be |
| 00:09.02 | abrotman | yoel: it's old .. inaccurate |
| 00:09.05 | sussudio | debian.log.20030202.gz:[18:02] <abrotman> how do you purge a package after you have already removed it? |
| 00:09.13 | sussudio | first thing abrotman ever said in here |
| 00:09.14 | Guerin | 2.4 iptables hsould be just as good as 2.6 |
| 00:09.17 | abrotman | sussudio: no way! |
| 00:09.22 | sussudio | abrotman: yes way |
| 00:09.26 | abrotman | sussudio: i was here before that .. i'm almost certain of it |
| 00:09.34 | Baeaeken | abrotman: thx m8 |
| 00:09.34 | yoel | geli: but i have 2.1 i think |
| 00:09.35 | sussudio | :-| |
| 00:09.39 | Guerin | and in any case, iptabbles is a smmall piece in the security puzzle |
| 00:09.48 | abrotman | sussudio: maybe i just didn't say anyhting .. who knows |
| 00:10.05 | abrotman | sussudio: amazing how little i've learned in 2 years :) |
| 00:10.12 | bucky | yoel, you should upgrade from the install kernel anyway... apt-cache search kernel-image and apt-cache search linux-image and pick one |
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| 00:10.23 | abrotman | sussudio: oh wait .. no .. that's probably right .. i wasn't a regular until my oracle experience |
| 00:10.24 | sussudio | abrotman: also, you appear to be have used about 12 different ISPs |
| 00:10.38 | abrotman | sussudio: that'd be probably right :) |
| 00:10.53 | abrotman | sussudio: various hosts and ISPs .. yes |
| 00:10.55 | Tortel | AOL, ( omg :( ), Charter, Comcast |
| 00:11.14 | yoel | bucky: ok. i'll go for 2.6 |
| 00:11.15 | sbk | well, hopefully Mr Reiser is a better coder than a communicator :) |
| 00:11.24 | biohazrd | anyone know off hand if openssl or stunnel is broken in testing? |
| 00:11.28 | FlimFlamMan | any recommendations for a nntp server in the sarge repositories for internal use within an organization? |
| 00:11.31 | abrotman | sussudio: at least now we know .. |
| 00:11.41 | FlimFlamMan | no external feeds required |
| 00:12.05 | sussudio | abrotman: still only 350MB of gzipped logs since 2003/01 |
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| 00:12.16 | abrotman | sussudio: not just for me i hope |
| 00:12.21 | sussudio | abrotman: nope |
| 00:12.31 | abrotman | sussudio: that's not too bad .. you should try to bzip them! |
| 00:12.41 | sussudio | i don't think so |
| 00:12.49 | sussudio | thatoldnamewasga: stop with the nick changing |
| 00:13.12 | spdf | sussudio, Hmm.. out of interest.. what was the first thign I said? (Unless of course it takes 3 days and a team of climbers to find out..) |
| 00:13.15 | abrotman | sussudio: is piggy it's own machine ? |
| 00:13.22 | sussudio | abrotman: yes |
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| 00:13.38 | abrotman | sussudio: tbh .. the sad part is my line count :) |
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| 00:14.25 | spdf | It would have been like 7 years ago I think, when I was a young lad.. |
| 00:14.36 | sussudio | :-| |
| 00:15.03 | spdf | I wasn't using spdf then though.. |
| 00:15.11 | sussudio | i've been here since 1998 |
| 00:15.45 | abrotman | so you're saying .. i've only been around for like 30 months ? |
| 00:15.50 | spdf | I lurked trying to fix boot loader problems.. I was away from awhile after that.. |
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| 00:15.59 | sussudio | abrotman: yes |
| 00:16.08 | abrotman | and i'm still not an op!?!!?!? |
| 00:16.11 | abrotman | :) |
| 00:16.37 | abrotman | !seen abrotman |
| 00:16.37 | dpkg | abrotman is currently on #debian (1h 41m 11s). Has said a total of 147076 messages. Is idling for 0s |
| 00:16.42 | abrotman | !147076/30 |
| 00:16.43 | dpkg | 4902.533333333334 |
| 00:16.45 | hognutter | what was that command again to kill the x server? |
| 00:16.45 | abrotman | eegads! |
| 00:16.55 | spdf | I think my first name in here was Zeddy |
| 00:16.59 | biohazrd | are 2 libssl packages supposed to reside as installed? |
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| 00:17.24 | abrotman | biohazrd: what two packages? |
| 00:17.35 | Tortel | Whats a good newbie HTML/PHP4 editor? |
| 00:17.44 | biohazrd | ii libssl0.9.7 0.9.7g-5 SSL shared libraries |
| 00:17.44 | biohazrd | ii libssl0.9.8 0.9.8a-2 SSL shared libraries |
| 00:18.03 | abrotman | Tortel: bluefish |
| 00:18.04 | biohazrd | i am having troubles with stunnel starting |
| 00:18.07 | grendal_prime | ok i can run severa alsa aps at one time they all use sound...my alsa config is killer...i still cannot run my mic through /dev/dsp |
| 00:18.08 | Frosted | Tortel, well, don't know what you mean by newbie, but jedit is very nice :) |
| 00:18.13 | spdf | Tortel, bluefish is alright. Any of the command line editors are alright.. |
| 00:18.17 | abrotman | biohazrd: yes .. they should be fine like that |
| 00:18.20 | biohazrd | 005.10.27 00:12:41 LOG3[10163:16384]: error stack: 25070067 : error:25070067:DSO support routines:DSO_load:could not load the shared library |
| 00:18.29 | spdf | Tortel, bluefish does highlighting |
| 00:18.31 | biohazrd | something wrong with the libs i gather |
| 00:18.32 | Frosted | jedit is actually awsome, hehe |
| 00:18.41 | abrotman | and not in debian! |
| 00:18.42 | abrotman | :) |
| 00:18.48 | rage | Yeah, jedit is pretty newbie friedly :-) |
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| 00:19.06 | abrotman | i think bluefish is pretty good .. decent interface .. highlighting for lots of langauges |
| 00:19.10 | abrotman | someday .. maybe i'll use it |
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| 00:19.44 | rage | Never tried it, might check it out once I'm back on broadband |
| 00:20.09 | relaxed | one fish, two fish |
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| 00:20.17 | cevizoglu | red fish, blue fish |
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| 00:21.45 | spdf | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:21.46 | Tortel | old fish, new fish |
| 00:21.51 | Maliuta | is there a way to use a debian netisnt disk as a rescue disk? I just need to be able to pass root=/dev/hda2 to the kernel and not have it barf |
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| 00:22.12 | rage | little fish, big fish |
| 00:22.15 | Tortel | i kinda like screem better right now |
| 00:22.31 | Tortel | it has all the html tags orginized easier |
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| 00:22.47 | yoel | Hmm.. when i do :iptables -A OUTPUT -dport 80 -j DENY it says bad argument "80".. and when i do --drop (with two "-") it says unknown arg --dport...what's the problem with it? |
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| 00:23.21 | Tortel | it hates you. |
| 00:23.23 | dvs | yoel: Isn't -dport suppose to have two dashes in front of it? |
| 00:23.23 | Tortel | :) |
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| 00:23.40 | rage | yoel: --dports I think |
| 00:23.40 | dvs | yoel: That's weird |
| 00:23.42 | rage | with the s |
| 00:23.42 | stew | yoel: add -p tcp and and --dport instead of -dport |
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| 00:23.45 | abrotman | yoel: #iptables , netfilter.org , lartc.org |
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| 00:24.07 | yoel | dports doesn't work. i tryied with 2 dashes |
| 00:24.17 | rage | :-S |
| 00:24.18 | yoel | netfiler.org sucks and same lartc.org.. |
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| 00:24.28 | dvs | yoel: Try "--dport www" |
| 00:24.31 | stew | iptables -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -j DENY |
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| 00:25.02 | grendal_prime | yoel |
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| 00:25.03 | dvs | yoel: You do need the -p option too |
| 00:25.07 | grendal_prime | whats wrong? |
| 00:25.08 | abrotman | yoel: there are really good links from netfilter.org |
| 00:25.10 | yoel | dvs: Ha.. |
| 00:25.19 | abrotman | but stew's should work |
| 00:25.28 | yoel | abrotman: But it's very not easy reading.. not user friendly.. |
| 00:25.39 | abrotman | unless you need to specify an interface |
| 00:25.42 | yoel | abrotman: and my network rules aren't so complicated.. |
| 00:25.52 | abrotman | yoel: noone in #iptables ? |
| 00:25.54 | grendal_prime | WOW..DUDE WHAT DO YOU THINK YOUR WORKING WITH?!!! |
| 00:26.12 | yoel | grendal_prime: ? |
| 00:26.15 | paawelek | When installing java-common, should there be any enviromental variables set to get java to work? |
| 00:26.18 | yoel | ufff :(( |
| 00:26.26 | grendal_prime | !dpkg tell yoel about webmin |
| 00:26.35 | stew | paawelek: what jre did you install? |
| 00:26.36 | EdLin | paawelek: /msg dpkg java |
| 00:26.44 | abrotman | grendal_prime: don't do that |
| 00:26.54 | abrotman | grendal_prime: webmin is a piece of shit and noone with any common sense should ever use it |
| 00:27.01 | spdf | agreed |
| 00:27.13 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 00:27.21 | grendal_prime | he wants to build a fire wall right? |
| 00:27.30 | paawelek | stew: 1.4.2 i guess |
| 00:27.34 | yoel | so to use webmin or not?! |
| 00:27.38 | abrotman | and that's not the way to do it |
| 00:27.43 | dvs | yoel: No way |
| 00:27.47 | yoel | dvs: why? |
| 00:27.48 | stew | paawelek: what does "java -version " say it is? |
| 00:28.08 | dvs | yoel: It's not very well supported, especially in here ;-) |
| 00:28.17 | yoel | dvs:..ok.. |
| 00:28.23 | paawelek | stew: 1.4.2 it does |
| 00:28.46 | grendal_prime | i had to put it on boxes that i was not going to be administering |
| 00:29.03 | grendal_prime | people that want file servers |
| 00:29.10 | grendal_prime | people that want routers... |
| 00:29.13 | stew | paawelek: most apps shouln't need any env vars, but some are happier if you set JAVA_HOME. how did you install it? make-jpkg and dpkg -i? or what? |
| 00:29.46 | paawelek | stew: simply apt-get install java-common |
| 00:30.05 | grendal_prime | you know...windows converts...they love webmin |
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| 00:30.17 | paawelek | stew: i'm using Debian Sarge/Testing |
| 00:30.25 | stew | paawelek: java 1.4.2 is not in debian |
| 00:30.25 | Tortel | installing java-common wont do |
| 00:30.39 | spdf | paawelek, You need to download the linux binaries from java.com |
| 00:30.42 | Tortel | !install java |
| 00:30.42 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Still here? Install the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about java-package. |
| 00:30.50 | grendal_prime | there is like clicky things and dropdowns with most likely options...dhcpserver admin... postgresql database admin...mysql, there are some things i dont have the time to teach people. |
| 00:30.51 | paawelek | stew: than i must be mistaken |
| 00:30.54 | stew | Tortel: he has java installed |
| 00:30.59 | Tortel | :( |
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| 00:31.15 | bucky | if you can't figure that out then find a repos with a java deb on google |
| 00:31.19 | stew | paawelek: does `which java` return /usr/bin/java or /usr/local/bin/java or what? |
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| 00:31.47 | hiux | which is better between elm, pine and mutt? |
| 00:32.01 | bob2 | whichever you prefer |
| 00:32.03 | dvs | hiux: mutt |
| 00:32.05 | bob2 | elm is dead, tho |
| 00:32.09 | amphi | mutt for me, never tried elm |
| 00:32.10 | bob2 | and pine is non-free and not in any major O |
| 00:32.12 | bob2 | S |
| 00:32.12 | stew | and pine isn't in debian if that matters |
| 00:32.15 | abrotman | bob2: elmo! |
| 00:32.18 | bob2 | so that leaves mutt |
| 00:32.24 | paawelek | stew: /usr/bin/java |
| 00:32.25 | abrotman | !info elmo sarge |
| 00:32.33 | dpkg | elmo: (text-based mail-reader supporting SMTP and POP3), section mail, is optional. Version: 1.3.0-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 195 kB, Installed size: 544 kB |
| 00:32.40 | bob2 | hah |
| 00:32.56 | abrotman | it's not horrible |
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| 00:33.35 | hiux | amph,do you use the latest mutt version? and did you get some error like segmentation false? |
| 00:33.46 | paawelek | geez, im not in java really, does it taint Debian policy? |
| 00:34.06 | bob2 | paawelek: wtf |
| 00:34.11 | amphi | hiux: whatever ver. is in sarge, and no segfaults with that |
| 00:34.12 | bob2 | paawelek: debian is not allowed to modify it |
| 00:34.15 | NURV | !info nurv mule |
| 00:34.18 | bob2 | ergo, it can;t go in Debian itself |
| 00:34.23 | abrotman | noone is allowed to modify it |
| 00:34.28 | abrotman | except the enduser i guess |
| 00:34.30 | bob2 | it's not "Taint", it's "the java license forbids Debian from including it" |
| 00:34.34 | NURV | !info mule |
| 00:34.36 | enerv | i'm compilating dpkg and i got this erro after compiler. slut dpkg-1.13.11 # dpkg-buildpackage |
| 00:34.36 | enerv | unable to get login information for username "enerv" at /usr/local/lib/dpkg/controllib.pl line 56. |
| 00:34.37 | enerv | Compilation failed in require at /usr/local/bin/dpkg-parsechangelog line 15. |
| 00:34.37 | enerv | . somebody help me? |
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| 00:34.42 | NURV | !info amule |
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| 00:34.44 | dpkg | amule: (aNOTHER eMule P2P Client), section x11, is optional. Version: 2.0.3-3 (sid), Packaged size: 2385 kB, Installed size: 7048 kB |
| 00:34.45 | enerv | sorry |
| 00:34.47 | abrotman | why would you compile dpkg ? |
| 00:35.05 | bob2 | enerv: why are you running it as root? |
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| 00:35.07 | spdf | NURV, /msg dpkg info <package> |
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| 00:35.29 | paawelek | bob2: oh... ill have to remember that |
| 00:35.33 | NURV | spdf, okay Thank you |
| 00:35.47 | cheal | enerv: you must mean compiling |
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| 00:39.58 | findmel | bob2, al capitan |
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| 00:40.32 | Jxpx | anyone use the nicotine here? |
| 00:40.41 | paawelek | thanks anyways.. bye |
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| 00:40.49 | findmel | Jxpx, i don't |
| 00:40.53 | Jxpx | :S |
| 00:41.13 | findmel | nicotine sux |
| 00:41.19 | Jxpx | its cool |
| 00:41.21 | Jxpx | but very slow |
| 00:41.22 | maher | who knows about this xmodmap business? i tried to set the right window button to mouse button 1 via keycode 0x73 = Pointer_Button1, but it only works if i do shift numlock, and it stops working intermittently |
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| 00:41.58 | Jxpx | anyone know how can i confiogure it , i got adsl 512 kb/s and it download at 2/kbs :S i think something in my configuration is wrong |
| 00:42.01 | Jxpx | anyone can help me? |
| 00:42.21 | some_dude | how do i start samba ? |
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| 00:42.28 | some_dude | I've been killing it |
| 00:42.34 | spdf | I've never used it, but I'd guess it pulls from multiple sources? |
| 00:42.37 | Jxpx | move ur ass |
| 00:42.37 | Jxpx | :P |
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| 00:42.47 | NURV | some_dude, smbd nmbd start |
| 00:42.59 | AwesomeMachine | Jxpx: need more info |
| 00:43.08 | Jxpx | AwesomeMachine about what |
| 00:43.15 | some_dude | restart |
| 00:43.18 | AwesomeMachine | Jxpx: run ifconfig eth0 |
| 00:43.20 | Jxpx | my nicotine doesnt work fine |
| 00:43.20 | some_dude | ? |
| 00:43.28 | NURV | some_dude, yes, restart |
| 00:43.34 | some_dude | cool |
| 00:43.38 | Jxpx | i think is a problem for the p2p program |
| 00:43.38 | Jxpx | :S |
| 00:43.41 | Jxpx | but i dont know why |
| 00:43.54 | AwesomeMachine | Jxpx: don't use p2p |
| 00:44.08 | Jxpx | but i want to know, what is going on |
| 00:44.26 | abrotman | Jxpx: what kind of client is it ? |
| 00:44.40 | AwesomeMachine | jx maybe your dl's aren't using the full available bandwidth |
| 00:44.40 | Jxpx | soulseek |
| 00:44.49 | abrotman | i meant .. what protocol |
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| 00:44.57 | Jxpx | soulseek |
| 00:45.01 | abrotman | !phillysmite damog |
| 00:45.04 | sbk | Out of curiosity -- what is the rationale behind only the superuser being able to run /usr/sbin/chroot ? |
| 00:45.16 | abrotman | damog: do you think they have turkey in turkey? |
| 00:45.27 | NURV | I'm sure :-) |
| 00:45.41 | damog | abrotman: then, why would their country be called like that? :) |
| 00:45.45 | AwesomeMachine | sbk: not sure |
| 00:45.46 | Jxpx | anyone have any idea ?¿ |
| 00:45.50 | abrotman | damog: because they were Turks ? |
| 00:46.09 | NURV | abrotman, And there are :-) |
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| 00:46.11 | Guerin | Jxpx: this is not a soulseek help forum. if you can give us some idea of what' not happening perhaps we can help. |
| 00:46.17 | damog | abrotman: Probably. |
| 00:46.17 | AwesomeMachine | Jxpx: goto sourceforge and see what banwidth you get from one of their mirrors |
| 00:46.18 | Vlat- | o! she brought me a beer! that's the way a wife good for! |
| 00:46.21 | cevizoglu | huh? are you asking if they eat turkey in turkey? |
| 00:46.23 | abrotman | is soulseek even in debian ? |
| 00:46.26 | some_dude | do turkeys from turkey taste beter ? |
| 00:46.32 | damog | some_dude: Yes, dude. |
| 00:46.34 | Guerin | abrotman: some clients are |
| 00:46.35 | damog | sorry |
| 00:46.37 | abrotman | cevizoglu: no . are they native creatures |
| 00:46.37 | Jxpx | ok |
| 00:46.38 | damog | some_dude: Yes, some_dude. |
| 00:46.41 | abrotman | Guerin: nicotine ? |
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| 00:46.53 | cevizoglu | abrotman, yeah, but in turkey turkeys are called hindis |
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| 00:47.00 | Guerin | abrotman: 1 |
| 00:47.09 | Tortel | !hi |
| 00:47.09 | dpkg | hello, tortel |
| 00:47.12 | abrotman | Guerin: 2 ? |
| 00:47.13 | damog | cevizoglu: no way! |
| 00:47.24 | abrotman | cevizoglu: is that a bad joke ? |
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| 00:47.42 | cevizoglu | abrotman, I don't think so |
| 00:47.49 | NURV | cevizoglu, your nick looks like turkish name. Is that right? |
| 00:47.59 | abrotman | cevizoglu: next you'll tell me .. in india .. cows are called kiwis :) |
| 00:48.10 | cevizoglu | NURV, yes, it's a turkish name |
| 00:48.14 | some_dude | ok, my java app is hung |
| 00:48.17 | some_dude | but no errors |
| 00:48.23 | abrotman | some_dude: get it a date! |
| 00:48.31 | cevizoglu | abrotman, depends on which of the many languages there ;) |
| 00:48.33 | sbk | some_dude: kill -3 the pid, and you may get a stack trace |
| 00:48.49 | abrotman | cevizoglu: it was a joke :) |
| 00:49.15 | some_dude | abrotman it was pretty funny |
| 00:49.21 | damog | cevizoglu: Give abrotman a break: He's american. |
| 00:49.23 | damog | :) |
| 00:49.24 | some_dude | I expected something else, but funny |
| 00:49.54 | spdf | I don't think it was funny at all. Jeez. You're such a kiss ass.. |
| 00:49.58 | cevizoglu | damog, I'm american too, but I've spent three months in turkey learning the language |
| 00:50.09 | damog | cevizoglu: it was a joke :) |
| 00:50.13 | abrotman | spdf: i'm trying to figure out which was funny ... |
| 00:50.14 | some_dude | this is the windows version, so I'm not suprised it failed |
| 00:50.17 | cevizoglu | hehe |
| 00:50.37 | cevizoglu | I laughed my head off when I saw that the word for turkey in turkish is hindi |
| 00:50.57 | cevizoglu | it's circular... |
| 00:50.59 | lexande | how can i use xmodmap to make keys print something when used in combination with the "windows" key (apparently interpreted as "Super")? i would like to make winkey+3 print £ and winkey+4 print €. i looked at the xmodmap manpage but had trouble making much sense of it, listing more than two keysyms per key doesn't seem to have any effect. |
| 00:51.14 | some_dude | "VM Periodic Task Thread" prio=1 tid=0x080a5b30 nid=0x9cd waiting on condition |
| 00:51.15 | cevizoglu | now if the word for turkey in hindi is american, it's circular |
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| 00:51.31 | cevizoglu | or america |
| 00:51.33 | abrotman | cevizoglu: sounds about right |
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| 00:51.49 | some_dude | so it's an internal problem, i can't fix |
| 00:51.54 | damog | http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Hindi#Noun_4 |
| 00:51.57 | abrotman | some_dude: ask #java ? |
| 00:52.11 | dli__ | cevizoglu, the word for the country of turkey or the bird? |
| 00:52.12 | some_dude | but they are not as nice |
| 00:52.13 | maria | Can anyone tell me how to download limewire? |
| 00:52.38 | damog | abrotman: Should ask on #html if I want my webpage to display a text as if it were a marquee, walking from one side to the other? |
| 00:52.41 | Guerin | !limewire |
| 00:52.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, limewire is better known as lamewire - yet another braindead java p2p client. Not in debian. see http://www.limewire.com! GPL! |
| 00:52.41 | bucky | right click on the download url and and save as |
| 00:52.46 | AwesomeMachine | maria: you serious? |
| 00:52.46 | sbk | some_dude: the interesting stuff is probably some other thread. Paste the complete output somewhere |
| 00:52.50 | cevizoglu | dli_, the bird |
| 00:52.55 | abrotman | damog: actually . that would be #web |
| 00:53.04 | dli__ | damog: whatever, don't use marquee |
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| 00:53.07 | damog | abrotman: ah! great! |
| 00:53.10 | Favorit | hello |
| 00:53.13 | damog | :) |
| 00:53.14 | AwesomeMachine | hi |
| 00:53.18 | Guerin | damog: no, marquee is great! |
| 00:53.22 | Favorit | any ideas guys, why can't i disable TSC in the kernel, when i try to compile 2.6.14-rc5? |
| 00:53.23 | damog | I know! |
| 00:53.24 | cevizoglu | so "i eat turkeys" would be "hindiler yemiyorum" or something like that |
| 00:53.27 | Guerin | dli__: no, marquee is great! |
| 00:53.28 | fevel | maria: http://www.limewire.com/english/content/downloadfree2.shtml |
| 00:53.30 | damog | dli_: It look suuuuper cool! |
| 00:53.33 | damog | looks* |
| 00:53.38 | maria | well, what's the best way to download music (free music) thru linux/mepis? |
| 00:53.42 | Guerin | dli__: and marquee + flash is TEH WIN |
| 00:53.51 | AwesomeMachine | favorit, don't know |
| 00:53.55 | some_dude | how can i kill this app, it create like 20 threads |
| 00:53.55 | abrotman | maria: ask .. #mepis ? |
| 00:53.59 | some_dude | PIDS |
| 00:54.01 | Guerin | maria: this is not a warez support channel |
| 00:54.16 | damog | maria: Use Google. |
| 00:54.16 | dli__ | damog, okay, just tell you that all marquee text are block, not even displayed in my firefox |
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| 00:54.25 | maria | thanks (to those who answered) |
| 00:54.25 | Guerin | maria: irc.p2p-irc.net might help you |
| 00:54.36 | Guerin | dli__: spoilsport |
| 00:54.46 | damog | dli_: You should then use an standard-follower web browser :) |
| 00:54.50 | Vlat- | maria: azureus is what you're looking for |
| 00:54.58 | Guerin | dli__: you're not supporting web specs! I'm going to tell the w3c on you! |
| 00:55.05 | Vlat- | hm, or bttorrent |
| 00:55.06 | Tortel | that sounds familiar//// |
| 00:55.08 | damog | Guerin: heh |
| 00:55.11 | lexande | maria: apollon/gift, various emule clients (amule, mldonkey), various directconnect clients (dcgui, valknut) |
| 00:55.17 | AwesomeMachine | maria, classy women don't do warez |
| 00:55.17 | Tortel | oyea |
| 00:55.22 | cevizoglu | oh no, the w3c police ;) |
| 00:55.25 | dli__ | damog, they are blocked, because I couldn't figure out why people are stupid enough to put marquee in their pages |
| 00:55.26 | lexande | or bittorrent, if want is popular and recent |
| 00:55.44 | Guerin | dli__: but it's really cool - what's wrong about scrolling text? |
| 00:55.44 | spdf | But seriously, I heard from a guy who knows a guy who's "street cred" was taken away for sloppy xml... |
| 00:55.54 | damog | maria: search on google: SND [keyword] mp3 intitle:?index of /? ?Last modified? |
| 00:56.00 | damog | :) |
| 00:56.21 | fbi | why are you even talking to that user. one word. mepis. |
| 00:56.38 | AwesomeMachine | http://www.google.com +"how to steal off the internet" |
| 00:56.39 | damog | dli_: are you calling me stupid? |
| 00:56.58 | lexande | fbi: the question was applicable to debian users too, one might have had the same question but was afraid to ask |
| 00:56.59 | dli__ | damog: not really, as far as I don't read your page |
| 00:57.21 | Guerin | dli__: you called him stupid for using marquee! |
| 00:57.24 | fbi | lexande: i really don't care. lots of shit applies to lots of Debian derivatives. this channel is not for non-Debian support. |
| 00:57.26 | damog | :( |
| 00:57.30 | damog | Guerin: he did |
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| 00:57.35 | NURV | I've updated Qtorrent and now It's called Qtorrent3 And It has some bugs. Is it Qtorrent3 the newest version of Qtorrent or...? |
| 00:57.36 | Guerin | damog: definitely |
| 00:57.42 | Guerin | NURV: yes. |
| 00:57.43 | Vlat- | is anyone still using marque nowadays ? |
| 00:57.55 | Guerin | NURV: the latest version in your branch of debian, anyway. |
| 00:57.57 | dli__ | NURV: wondering what about azureus ? |
| 00:58.02 | Guerin | Vlat-: damog does! and it's cool! |
| 00:58.03 | damog | Vlat-: Me, on my new webpage. |
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| 00:58.16 | Vlat- | url ? |
| 00:58.17 | NURV | dli_, I like Qtorrent |
| 00:58.19 | Vlat- | let me check |
| 00:58.28 | Guerin | azureus is arse |
| 00:58.40 | spdf | cli torrent is the cat's meow. |
| 00:58.45 | damog | Vlat-: I'm still uploading it. |
| 00:58.48 | Guerin | Vlat-: he hasn't made it yet |
| 00:58.51 | dli__ | NURV: yeah, just wondering whether azureus is free from that bug |
| 00:58.54 | lexande | fbi: nothing wrong with non-debian support if it also supports debian users |
| 00:58.59 | damog | Guerin: I'm just about to upload it! |
| 00:59.00 | Guerin | rtorrent > * |
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| 00:59.02 | mhall | Hello, all. I am having a problem with xterm. The conf file says that fg should be white and bg should be black but the xterm itself is ignoring these settings. I am setting them in /etc/X11/app-defaults/XTerm[-color] |
| 00:59.09 | Guerin | damog: OMG |
| 00:59.20 | Tortel | !boo |
| 00:59.22 | Guerin | damog: make sure you dis on dli for being such a marquee spoilsport! |
| 00:59.24 | rage | Ummm, whats the command to list all install packages? |
| 00:59.26 | fbi | lexande: oh, ok. next time someone comes in here with Knoppix questions, feel free to help. |
| 00:59.29 | rage | *installed |
| 00:59.36 | Guerin | rage: dpkg --get-selections |
| 00:59.41 | NURV | dli_, sometimes it (Qtorrent) do hash check and..... stay in this status |
| 00:59.41 | Tortel | ummm |
| 00:59.43 | Vlat- | mhall: _what_ settings file ? |
| 00:59.46 | rage | Guerin: Thanks :-) |
| 00:59.47 | Tortel | yea.... |
| 00:59.48 | abrotman | or dpkg -l |
| 00:59.48 | AwesomeMachine | mhall: restart the xserver |
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| 01:00.06 | Vlat- | mhall: btw, apt-get install rxvt i guess |
| 01:00.06 | abrotman | AwesomeMachine: wow .. that's some horrible advice |
| 01:00.16 | Vlat- | xterm is a "bit" obsolete |
| 01:00.26 | Guerin | Vlat-: what's obsolete about it? |
| 01:00.29 | stew | xterm is not obsolete |
| 01:00.30 | mhall | Vlat-: Not if you want Unicode combining characters. |
| 01:00.30 | abrotman | how is xterm obsolete? |
| 01:00.33 | fbi | xterm is obsolete? |
| 01:00.40 | Guerin | Vlat-: in what way does it not work just as well as it ever did/ |
| 01:00.42 | rage | whoa, whats happened to my xterms? |
| 01:00.44 | spdf | netcraft confirms: xterm obsolete.. |
| 01:00.45 | lexande | fbi: if their question is "how do i upgrade openoffice on knoppix" then obviously they should be send elsewhere, but if the question is "what command do i use to list my IP address on knoppix" then it's probably best to answer them |
| 01:00.52 | mhall | AwesomeMachine: But the conf file was set this way stock and it still does not happen right. |
| 01:00.58 | Guerin | rage: they don't work any more. Vlat- said so. |
| 01:01.09 | rage | :-( |
| 01:01.12 | mhall | Vlat-: Dude I said the conf file's name in my comment! |
| 01:01.14 | AwesomeMachine | mhall: just use Konsole |
| 01:01.22 | fbi | lexande: like i said. if you feel the need to help non-Debian users just because their question 'applies' to Debian too, feel free to help. |
| 01:01.23 | Guerin | AwesomeMachine: yet more shit advice! |
| 01:01.25 | fbi | *plonk* |
| 01:01.29 | mhall | AwesomeMachine: Yeah it works until you try a UTF text file. |
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| 01:01.37 | AwesomeMachine | what's wrong with konsole? |
| 01:01.44 | abrotman | use konsole ? ... how stupid are you ? |
| 01:01.46 | mhall | AwesomeMachine: If you try a UTF test file it creates invalid chars all over the screen. |
| 01:01.58 | mhall | AwesomeMachine: And reset will not reset them out of there either. |
| 01:02.09 | mhall | AwesomeMachine: Usually happens with double width Asian pictographs. |
| 01:02.14 | lexande | i'd imagine people here unknowingly help non-debian users all the time, since relatively few people come in here and state their distro |
| 01:02.15 | Guerin | AwesomeMachine: it's a kde app, it has really poor support for utf-8, it has an impossible config, it's bloated, it's over-featured, it steals META keystrokes , etc... |
| 01:02.22 | Guerin | AwesomeMachine: do you want me to go on? |
| 01:02.33 | maher | lexande: i always ask for a libc hash |
| 01:02.33 | stew | AwesomeMachine: "time xterm -e echo " -> 0.02s "time konsole -e echo" -> 6.030s |
| 01:02.35 | abrotman | Guerin: kde app/bloated .. redundant :) |
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| 01:02.42 | Guerin | abrotman: right. |
| 01:02.43 | spdf | AwesomeMachine, leaves rings around your bathtub.. |
| 01:02.46 | AwesomeMachine | I guess I actually use gnome terminal. I thought it was Konsole |
| 01:02.54 | mhall | !lart AwesomeMachine |
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| 01:03.11 | Guerin | AwesomeMachine: the above criticisms apply equally to gnome-terminal. |
| 01:03.15 | Vlat- | mhall: so you mean .Xdefaults has not contain xterm*background: black ? |
| 01:03.15 | phyrster | how to prevent a kernel module from loading? |
| 01:03.21 | damog | Dudes, here is my new website: http://www.damog.net/new.html |
| 01:03.27 | dli__ | AwesomeMachine, I use gnome-terminal :( everything is good, except it's slow at startup |
| 01:03.28 | damog | Thanks for watching and giving feedback :) |
| 01:03.28 | mhall | Vlat-: DUDE. I used the SYSTEM-WIDE file. |
| 01:03.46 | fbi | damog: you suck! |
| 01:03.47 | roby | stew: oooh... this 'time' thing is cool |
| 01:03.50 | AwesomeMachine | What is a good terminal? |
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| 01:03.54 | abrotman | xterm |
| 01:04.04 | abrotman | damog: did you just spam us ? |
| 01:04.04 | mhall | /etc/X11/app-defaults/XTerm-color and /etc/X11/app-defaults/XTerm <-- I even have docs that say this is what you are supposed to do. |
| 01:04.04 | phyrster | where to get detailed information of debian's discovery/module handling process? |
| 01:04.07 | Guerin | AwesomeMachine: rxvt-unicode-ml |
| 01:04.12 | dli__ | abrotman, as far as you don't read Chinese in xterm :( |
| 01:04.14 | damog | AwesomeMachine: rxvt |
| 01:04.14 | mhall | But it does not change anything. The colors are _still_ wrong. |
| 01:04.17 | damog | fbi: :$ |
| 01:04.19 | orchid | damog: no they dont :) |
| 01:04.26 | abrotman | dli__: s/in xterm// |
| 01:04.27 | mhall | dli__: It's supposed to work if you set up the right fonts. |
| 01:04.28 | Guerin | damog: no marquee :( |
| 01:04.33 | damog | abrotman: No, I was collecting feedback on marquees and blinks |
| 01:04.33 | NURV | gnome-terminal is my choice |
| 01:04.53 | damog | Guerin: Yeah, my html code skill is very low :( |
| 01:04.55 | Guerin | i can read cjk in rxvt-unicode-ml |
| 01:04.57 | abrotman | damog: how do you spell "como se dice" ? |
| 01:05.05 | Guerin | damog: no flash either :((((( |
| 01:05.07 | damog | abrotman: "how do you say" |
| 01:05.14 | dli__ | maher, exactly, you can, if you spend one day to configure it, and allow messed up display |
| 01:05.15 | abrotman | damog: en espanol! :) |
| 01:05.15 | mhall | Guerin: Part of the problem is fonts are bitches to install. |
| 01:05.23 | abrotman | damog: or did i spell it right ? |
| 01:05.26 | mhall | Guerin: they come in 10 million random debs and formats |
| 01:05.27 | stew | !tell abrotman about es |
| 01:05.29 | fbi | abrotman: it's spelled correctly |
| 01:05.31 | mhall | Guerin: It sucks muchly |
| 01:05.31 | abrotman | oh |
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| 01:05.33 | Guerin | mhall: i have a good one |
| 01:05.33 | fbi | haha stew |
| 01:05.37 | damog | abrotman: yeah, it is correct, add an accent on "cómo" |
| 01:05.38 | Guerin | mhall: but yeah, it does |
| 01:05.40 | dli__ | mhall: I tried several times, then, I use konsole or gnome-terminal |
| 01:05.47 | abrotman | damog: my keyboard lacks that key! |
| 01:05.54 | damog | dli_: http://www.damog.net/new.html |
| 01:06.00 | stew | !tell abrotman about keymap |
| 01:06.07 | maher | who knows about this xmodmap business? i tried to set the right window button to mouse button 1 via keycode 0x73 = Pointer_Button1, but it only works if i do shift numlock, and it stops working intermittently |
| 01:06.12 | Tortel | Is there a way to enable multimedia keyboard support? |
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| 01:06.24 | dli__ | damog, I still want to be as polite as possible to you, my friend |
| 01:06.35 | abrotman | stew: just to type one accent!? |
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| 01:06.40 | Guerin | mhall: http://www.inp.nsk.su/~bolkhov/files/fonts/univga/ |
| 01:06.45 | mhall | dli__: konsole doesn't do it right for me |
| 01:06.53 | mhall | dli__: and Gnome apps run real poorly in KDE |
| 01:07.04 | mhall | dli__: so the gnome term idea does not excite me a whole lot |
| 01:07.08 | damog | dli__: You called me stupid, is that polite to you? |
| 01:07.11 | mhall | dli__: hence why i was trying xterm |
| 01:07.13 | dli__ | mhall, how about xfce? I used xfterm for long |
| 01:07.18 | mhall | dli__: i just stumbled into the color problem |
| 01:07.19 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 01:07.26 | abrotman | mhall: of course. . you should use Eterm :) |
| 01:07.28 | mhall | dli__: it works with cli switches but not the god damn config file |
| 01:07.34 | mhall | dli__: whiskey tango foxtrot, mate? |
| 01:07.37 | dli__ | damog, no, I didn't do that. because I never opened your page |
| 01:07.37 | damog | abrotman: This channel is the shit :) |
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| 01:07.43 | abrotman | damog: which channle ? |
| 01:07.52 | fbi | !channle |
| 01:07.56 | damog | abrotman: "This channel..."? |
| 01:08.03 | abrotman | fbi: french for channel |
| 01:08.06 | abrotman | damog: #web ? |
| 01:08.07 | fbi | word. |
| 01:08.07 | Vlat- | damn god |
| 01:08.07 | lilgg | how do i kill this?: 6890 pts/0 00:00:00 XFree86 <defunct> |
| 01:08.09 | Vlat- | mhall |
| 01:08.15 | abrotman | !zombie |
| 01:08.16 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 01:08.19 | Tortel | found it |
| 01:08.23 | lilgg | kill -9 or killall is not working. |
| 01:08.27 | Vlat- | may be you'll bit at least a "bit" polite for others ? |
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| 01:08.36 | dli__ | mhall, I just wonder if you get larger ram in you box, would konsole or gnome-terminal be as fast as xterm? |
| 01:08.36 | damog | abrotman: no, /join #web,0 |
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| 01:08.43 | spdf | lilgg, You must destroy the brain! |
| 01:08.48 | fbi | haha! does that still work? |
| 01:08.59 | lilgg | spdf huh? |
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| 01:09.05 | Vlat- | for the first just look at ~ for a local "configs" |
| 01:09.12 | Vlat- | 'system-wide' |
| 01:09.14 | Vlat- | damn |
| 01:09.16 | Phoul | For debian where is htdocs located? |
| 01:09.34 | stew | dli__: it woulnd't not even close |
| 01:09.35 | dli__ | mhall, when I run out of memory, gnome-terminal becomes really slow |
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| 01:09.38 | abrotman | Phoul: htdocs ? |
| 01:09.43 | damog | dli__: btw, blinks and marquees _are_ displayed on ff |
| 01:09.45 | Phoul | apache htdocs? |
| 01:09.46 | jdhutchin1 | Phoul, /var/www |
| 01:09.52 | abrotman | yes .. |
| 01:10.05 | spdf | Phoul, Really, they can be anywhere you want... |
| 01:10.08 | roby | in the new apache i don't think it is named htdocs anymore |
| 01:10.19 | dli__ | damog, I think <blink> is blocked by firefox in the default userContent.css (if you make it) |
| 01:10.21 | roby | the default homepage that is |
| 01:11.01 | dli__ | stew: so, what's the choice of term of the day? |
| 01:11.08 | Guerin | mhall: http://feayn.org/~lewis/unicode.png |
| 01:11.13 | Guerin | mhall: see, ain't that beautiful? |
| 01:11.15 | useruser | dli__: uxterm |
| 01:11.21 | Tortel | umm, what commands are used to amke media players start playing/stoping/foreward ect.... |
| 01:11.23 | fbi | dli__: quadkonsole! |
| 01:11.24 | stew | dli__: blink isn't blocked by default |
| 01:11.25 | mhall | dli__: I have 1 GB. |
| 01:11.31 | mhall | dli__: And they still are not as fast. |
| 01:11.32 | dli__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:11.37 | mhall | dli__: And I don't even use all of it. |
| 01:11.38 | stew | dli__: i don't konw what you mean by "choice of term of the day" |
| 01:11.39 | spdf | You're getting those god awful info@whatever emails too? |
| 01:11.39 | damog | Guerin: now he is calling me a liar :( |
| 01:11.42 | mhall | dli__: So probably not. |
| 01:11.43 | useruser | dli__: i have some chinese, i think |
| 01:11.45 | spdf | I get atleast 20 of them a day.. |
| 01:11.46 | lilgg | can anyone tell me how to kill all XFree86? killall and kill -9 not workin |
| 01:11.55 | dli__ | stew: right, only blocked in userContent.css.example |
| 01:12.00 | stew | my favorite terminal emulator is /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator |
| 01:12.02 | Phoul | and how do i open a cd? |
| 01:12.05 | Guerin | damog: can't we get him banned? he's not being very nice. |
| 01:12.06 | Phoul | liek i have info on a cd |
| 01:12.07 | dli__ | useruser, really, let me try |
| 01:12.15 | useruser | dli__: hm, not much actually |
| 01:12.20 | Phoul | how do i open up this cd? |
| 01:12.26 | useruser | dli__: just a few characters show up with links zh.wikipedia.org |
| 01:12.27 | AwesomeMachine | lilgg: ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 01:12.28 | NURV | Phoul, make a link? |
| 01:12.35 | Phoul | huh? |
| 01:12.41 | Phoul | No like in my diskdrive |
| 01:12.45 | damog | Guerin: isn't abrotman an IRCop? |
| 01:12.46 | useruser | dli__: although i think it understands the unicode, but it just doesn't have the fonts to cope with it |
| 01:12.51 | Phoul | how do i open up the disk like view whats on the disk |
| 01:12.55 | spdf | Phoul, Like.. physically open it? or access the disk? |
| 01:12.55 | dli__ | useruser, I heard the story, xterm got some bug with chinese, got to be patched or with really tricky conf. |
| 01:12.59 | abrotman | damog: why would you thnik that ? |
| 01:13.00 | Phoul | access |
| 01:13.03 | useruser | dli__: ok, i dunno |
| 01:13.15 | useruser | dli__: but some chinese characters certainly appear, i think even correct ones :) |
| 01:13.30 | Guerin | damog: no ... he's too crazy. |
| 01:13.30 | lilgg | AwesomeMachine i have no screen it got f*cked up and now im on my other computer connected to it through ssh. |
| 01:13.33 | fbi | abrotman is not an IRCop, they don't let registered pedophiles op on this network. |
| 01:13.35 | NURV | Phoul, do you mount it? I can't understand your question |
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| 01:13.40 | abrotman | fbi: that's not nice |
| 01:13.45 | fbi | ok ok |
| 01:13.45 | Guerin | fbi: that's blatantly a lie |
| 01:13.48 | Phoul | ok like i put the disk in |
| 01:13.49 | fbi | i'm sorry. |
| 01:13.53 | Phoul | i have a tarball on it |
| 01:13.56 | Phoul | how do i get to it |
| 01:13.59 | fbi | Guerin: you know one? |
| 01:14.05 | damog | abrotman: Because you have the Guinness record for more lines spoken on Freenode? |
| 01:14.05 | phyrster | abrotman: bon jour |
| 01:14.12 | abrotman | damog: i do not :) |
| 01:14.15 | dli__ | useruser, I tested :( the graceful blocks show up |
| 01:14.15 | Guerin | fbi: OMGYOU |
| 01:14.16 | Phoul | well not a tarbal but a zip file |
| 01:14.17 | AwesomeMachine | lilgg: if kill doesn't do it try /sbin/init 3" |
| 01:14.17 | abrotman | phyrster: hola! |
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| 01:14.21 | fbi | heh! |
| 01:14.25 | damog | abrotman: you were beaten!! :O |
| 01:14.28 | abrotman | damog: ? |
| 01:14.35 | damog | beaten? |
| 01:14.35 | AwesomeMachine | then init 5 |
| 01:14.41 | abrotman | damog: que ? |
| 01:14.43 | mhall | Guerin: omgwtfbbq that rocks the casbah |
| 01:14.49 | Phoul | hello guys? |
| 01:14.52 | fbi | wtfbbq? hahahaha |
| 01:14.52 | useruser | dli__: did you try rxvt-ml ? |
| 01:15.09 | Guerin | dli__: are you still ignoring me? |
| 01:15.11 | lilgg | AwesomeMachine i dont get it.. |
| 01:15.13 | dli__ | useruser, but rxvt-ml is not a real terminal :( |
| 01:15.19 | useruser | oh? |
| 01:15.22 | damog | abrotman: nevermind, dude |
| 01:15.27 | stew | lilgg: don't listen to him he doesn't know what he's talking about |
| 01:15.27 | Guerin | dli__: what is unreal about it? |
| 01:15.39 | stew | AwesomeMachine: runlevels 2-5 are the same on debian by default |
| 01:15.46 | bkhl | Guerin: it's just a terminal emulator. |
| 01:15.50 | Guerin | !say dli__: http://feayn.org/~lewis/unicode.png # not a real terminal? |
| 01:15.51 | dpkg | dli__: http://feayn.org/~lewis/unicode.png # not a real terminal |
| 01:15.52 | lilgg | stew can u help me then?:P |
| 01:15.56 | Guerin | bkhl: oh, that's true |
| 01:16.01 | abrotman | !u |
| 01:16.01 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:16.16 | stew | lilgg: do you startx from the command line, or do you boot into a graphical login? |
| 01:16.18 | lilgg | abrotman instead of trying to be a smartass help me out with the problem:P |
| 01:16.39 | abrotman | lilgg: fine .. speak like a normal person |
| 01:16.41 | fbi | uh, he's not being a smartass. 'u' really isn't a word. |
| 01:17.04 | bkhl | That depends on how you define a word... |
| 01:17.13 | Tortel | whats a command to raise/lower volume? |
| 01:17.16 | Tortel | :( |
| 01:17.17 | abrotman | lilgg: i didn't see your original question |
| 01:17.22 | Tortel | in gnome |
| 01:17.24 | abrotman | Tortel: alsamixer ? |
| 01:17.25 | Guerin | lilgg: /etc/init.d/?dm stop |
| 01:17.28 | lilgg | stew tried to test x11 forwarding so i ran some progies then .. |
| 01:17.33 | Xenguy | aumix |
| 01:17.37 | damog | Tortel: aumix |
| 01:17.38 | Guerin | lilgg: but if kill -9 won't kill it, you might be fucked. |
| 01:17.40 | damog | or gnome-alsamixer |
| 01:17.43 | damog | gnome-alsamixer is very nice |
| 01:17.48 | Tortel | abrotman: Im seting up a media keyboard |
| 01:17.58 | Phoul | umm ok when i try to open my site on firefox it asks what i want to open it with now i tihnk its because my website is done with php but like how do i open it |
| 01:17.59 | abrotman | no wonder it doesn't work |
| 01:17.59 | dli__ | lilgg, you need sshd_config with X11Forwarding yes |
| 01:18.08 | Phoul | like im sure im missing something that allows me to open php |
| 01:18.11 | lilgg | 6444 ? 00:00:00 XFree86 <defunct> |
| 01:18.12 | Tortel | i need a single line command to raise volume.... |
| 01:18.12 | dli__ | lilgg, then, just "ssh -X -Y " to it |
| 01:18.20 | AwesomeMachine | I installed rxvt-ml. Thanks for telling me |
| 01:18.21 | abrotman | Phoul: your apache server is misconfigured |
| 01:18.24 | Guerin | !defunct |
| 01:18.24 | dpkg | it has been said that defunct is a zombie process (ask me about "zombie") |
| 01:18.26 | Phoul | huh? |
| 01:18.29 | Phoul | mmm darn |
| 01:18.35 | Phoul | how do i configure it? |
| 01:18.37 | Phoul | where is the conf file? |
| 01:18.38 | Guerin | dpkg, no, defunct is <reply> see zombie |
| 01:18.38 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 01:18.40 | abrotman | lilgg: i told you about zombie a while ago :) |
| 01:18.44 | Guerin | !defunct |
| 01:18.45 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
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| 01:19.03 | abrotman | Phoul: did you install apache2 or apache1 ? |
| 01:19.03 | Phoul | wheres the conf file? |
| 01:19.06 | Phoul | 2 |
| 01:19.15 | abrotman | Phoul: did you intall libapache2-mod-php4 ? |
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| 01:19.27 | Phoul | i shall check |
| 01:19.28 | dli__ | Phoul, apache? /etc/apache/ |
| 01:19.30 | lilgg | Guerin how do i kill the parent? what process? |
| 01:19.37 | Tortel | http://69.250.79.13/hello.php |
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| 01:19.44 | Tortel | w00t, my PHP test |
| 01:19.46 | NURV | Phoul, /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 01:19.57 | Phoul | well i didnt gave php4 in |
| 01:20.03 | Phoul | so lets see if that will fix it... |
| 01:20.09 | gtrplr | anyone help me with NETDEV WATCHDOG timout? |
| 01:20.43 | abrotman | when watchdog times out .. doesn't it get restarted ? |
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| 01:20.58 | AwesomeMachine | gtrplr: is that a kernel .config parameter? |
| 01:20.58 | rokus | gtrplr: let me guess, you're using the linux-wlan.org-modules with 2.6.x ? |
| 01:21.04 | gtrplr | it keep s doing over and over |
| 01:21.24 | lilgg | anyone? XFree86 is now using 100% of cpu:/ |
| 01:21.27 | gtrplr | rokus bad guess, your wrong |
| 01:21.57 | gtrplr | Awesome I havent even gotten far enough to build a kernel |
| 01:22.06 | rokus | i have the same problem.. but obviously in a different case.. |
| 01:22.07 | Xenguy | lilgg: ps fauxw |less -im' |
| 01:22.21 | Xenguy | lilgg: then search for character 'Z' |
| 01:22.22 | gtrplr | but wait |
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| 01:22.28 | Tortel | brb |
| 01:22.37 | Xenguy | lilgg: use 'top' to kill a bad process |
| 01:22.37 | AwesomeMachine | gtrplr: you have to use the debian-kernel-patches for the kernel you want to compile |
| 01:22.50 | Seb | any other multi-protocol console-based IM apps like centericq ? |
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| 01:22.51 | Tortel | oo, how can i restart all daemons/processes without a reboot? |
| 01:22.56 | Xenguy | lilgg: er, find a bad process |
| 01:22.59 | gtrplr | I am used to rolling my own |
| 01:23.00 | cheal | "Accepted eclipse 3.1.1-3 (source i386 all) Michael Koch" |
| 01:23.01 | dvs | Tortel: yup |
| 01:23.04 | cheal | yeehaw! |
| 01:23.05 | gtrplr | first time w/Deb |
| 01:23.11 | useruser | Tortel: telinit 1, then telinit 2 iirc |
| 01:23.13 | Seb | Tortel: for i in /etc/init.d/* ; do $i restart ; done |
| 01:23.19 | Seb | Tortel: that'd be bad idea, though |
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| 01:23.35 | lilgg | ok bbetter now.. thanks:) |
| 01:23.41 | useruser | Tortel: assuming you really mean all processes |
| 01:23.44 | AwesomeMachine | Tortel: goto /etc/init.d and there are scripts for starting daemons and such. sh script restart |
| 01:23.58 | Tortel | kk |
| 01:24.32 | gtrplr | rokus |
| 01:24.56 | NURV | Is it normal if XMMS use 80% of my cpu (750MHz) ? |
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| 01:25.03 | gtrplr | are you trying to run wireless while you have your ethernet cable plugged in? |
| 01:25.09 | damog | abrotman: am I stupid? |
| 01:25.21 | useruser | damog: if you have to ask... |
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| 01:25.43 | damog | useruser: I have to :$ |
| 01:25.44 | Tortel | Goodnight all! |
| 01:25.45 | abrotman | damog: depends on the context :) |
| 01:25.48 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:25.50 | rokus | gtrplr: no.. until i upgraded from 2.6.9 everything was ok |
| 01:25.58 | dvs | Tortel: You came back to say goodnight? |
| 01:26.04 | Tortel | no, i restarted |
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| 01:26.09 | Tortel | and im usually here |
| 01:26.24 | Henry_Bean | hiii!... people... there is some log file that store the information from booting process? |
| 01:26.24 | spdf | Creeper.. |
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| 01:26.30 | Tortel | and the goodnight was more for quakenet anyway... |
| 01:26.42 | Vlat- | Henry_Bean: type dmesg |
| 01:26.45 | Phoul | well it kinda works |
| 01:26.52 | rokus | but 2.6.11 and .13.x in combo with prism2_usb make my usb-keyboard (and sometime my whole system) block |
| 01:26.55 | Phoul | execpt it shows apachedefault at the end |
| 01:27.01 | spdf | There's also /var/log/kern.log |
| 01:27.16 | Henry_Bean | Vlat-, thanks, but it's not exactly the same... i'm looking for an alsa error that appears at startup |
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| 01:27.48 | Vlat- | Henry_Bean: than the spdf's solution is for you |
| 01:28.12 | concept10 | how do I change/edit the apache description line ? |
| 01:28.22 | Henry_Bean | Vlat-, what's that? :o |
| 01:28.22 | Vlat- | Henry_Bean: unfamiliar with ALSA, but IMHO it can log either |
| 01:28.25 | Phoul | hey can somone tell me some cool stuff about debian? |
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| 01:28.36 | Vlat- | Henry_Bean: spdf There's also /var/log/kern.log |
| 01:28.36 | concept10 | i.e the one that says version and installed mods |
| 01:28.38 | Phoul | like i have it but i dont see alot special about it |
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| 01:28.42 | NURV | Phoul, It's BIG :-) |
| 01:28.45 | spdf | Phoul, bet you didn't know this.. its because of debian that we have hospitals.. |
| 01:28.49 | maher | Phoul: cowsay |
| 01:28.49 | zinx | !tell phoul about why debian |
| 01:28.58 | asg | concept10: you can either show it or not. Otherwise, use the source luke |
| 01:28.59 | Phated | Phoul: apt-get moo |
| 01:29.02 | Phoul | i dont wanna read that |
| 01:29.04 | Phoul | and wtf moo? |
| 01:29.09 | AwesomeMachine | try this: <dd if=libcap.so.1 | hexdump -C | less> in rxvt and there are all kinds of chinese charaters |
| 01:29.12 | concept10 | asg, where do I edit that |
| 01:29.13 | Phated | apt-get moo. Type it, hit enter. |
| 01:29.15 | zinx | Phoul: your problem. you asked, you were told, if you don't want to listen, then stop asking. |
| 01:29.19 | asg | Phoul: cowsay -f stimpy Nummies |
| 01:29.30 | fbi | wtf does that do? |
| 01:29.36 | fbi | no way am i typing it. |
| 01:29.39 | NURV | asg :-) |
| 01:29.39 | asg | concept10: /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 01:29.45 | scarynetworkguy | !moo |
| 01:29.45 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 01:29.46 | Phoul | is there a marvin and debian pick out there? |
| 01:29.46 | asg | !tell AwesomeMachine about away |
| 01:29.54 | Phoul | i say marvin and suse and marivin and ubuntu |
| 01:29.54 | dondelelcaro | AwesomeMachine: turn whatever that is off, please. |
| 01:30.14 | Phated | It's an easter egg. But heck, don't bother typing it. <shrug> No loss to me. |
| 01:30.15 | AwesomeMachine | I don't know what it is |
| 01:30.15 | asg | concept10: why do you want to edit it anyway? |
| 01:30.29 | concept10 | asg, just want to get rid of it |
| 01:30.41 | fbi | oh, ascii stuff. good times. |
| 01:30.50 | dondelelcaro | !tell AwesomeMachine -about away |
| 01:31.04 | Vlat- | ehh...some years ago i would anser like "so, please type a lsmode, and let us the the output". Nowadays I'm saying "type lsmod (mfucker) and let me see it!". I'm getting old ? :( |
| 01:31.15 | asg | concept10: look for ServerSignature |
| 01:31.22 | concept10 | asg, thanks |
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| 01:31.40 | litage | what uses port 0? my cisco router often denies packets from ipA to ipB on port 0.. |
| 01:32.11 | Vlat- | litage: nothing uses port 0, it's dhcp discovery i guess |
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| 01:32.58 | mohadib | anyone know how to set which ip you want to scp from? |
| 01:33.01 | mohadib | for ssh it is -b , but i dont see how to do the same with scp |
| 01:33.02 | fbi | litage: bookmark this page: http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 01:33.04 | litage | Vlat-: but nothing on my network uses dhcp; everything's statically assigned |
| 01:33.22 | Vlat- | litage: any broadcasting software ? |
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| 01:34.31 | asg | fbi: learn to love the cowsay, it is your friend |
| 01:34.42 | concept10 | bah, asg I dont see that anywhere .. apache2.conf httpd.conf |
| 01:34.56 | fbi | asg: i plan to cowsay over and over as soon as i have an empty house, i already have the lotion ready. |
| 01:35.07 | dvs | concept10: /etc/apache2 ? |
| 01:35.11 | asg | concept10: oh, apache2, thought you said apache |
| 01:35.14 | litage | Vlat-: i can't think of any, besides maybe samba. but the router's ACLs and the samba server's iptables firewall don't allow packets on port zero |
| 01:35.14 | asg | fbi: hah |
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| 01:35.22 | lur_ | hello |
| 01:35.34 | fbi | asg: what are you doing up at this unGodly hour anyway |
| 01:35.35 | lur_ | I installed kde |
| 01:35.38 | concept10 | dvs, asg - yeah sorry, i meant apache2 |
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| 01:35.41 | Vlat- | litage: what does ethereal saying ? |
| 01:35.43 | lur_ | how do I make it my default manager? |
| 01:35.44 | abrotman | fbi: what ungodly hour do you think it is ? |
| 01:35.55 | fbi | dunno, isn't it early am in uk? |
| 01:35.59 | litage | Vlat-: i can't run ethereal on the router or samba server.. |
| 01:36.03 | fbi | i forget what time it is now that i am back in cali |
| 01:36.10 | asg | fbi: I'm in NC |
| 01:36.13 | fbi | wtf? |
| 01:36.13 | stew | litage: port 0 is not allowed, it must mean something else. could it be icmp or some other protocol that doesn't use ports? |
| 01:36.17 | fbi | i thought you were in uk |
| 01:36.25 | asg | fbi: from .uk, living in .us |
| 01:36.25 | lur_ | I installed kde |
| 01:36.25 | lur_ | how do I make it my default manager? |
| 01:36.29 | fbi | i see. |
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| 01:36.39 | litage | stew: icmp doesn't use ports? |
| 01:36.46 | stew | litage: no |
| 01:36.52 | Vlat- | litage: hm, sorry but dunno then. have an idea that is SMB lookaround, but has no facts behind it |
| 01:37.07 | stew | litage: and for both udb and tcp port 0 is not allowed |
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| 01:37.29 | litage | stew, Vlat-: i'm stumped too, then =P |
| 01:37.39 | stew | litage: what protocol is it? |
| 01:37.42 | asg | concept10: if it isn't in the default apache2 config, check the apache2 docs; the config item is probably still named the same thing |
| 01:38.08 | Vlat- | litage: why you're not supposed to run sniffer on that machine ?? it would help a lot |
| 01:38.21 | stew | litage: like tcp | udp | icmp | ipx | ??? or protocol might be a number like 3, 17... |
| 01:38.53 | lur_ | how do I set a default gui? |
| 01:38.56 | litage | stew: the router log only lists which access-list denied the packet, the source and destination IP addresses, and the source and destination ports |
| 01:39.03 | Vlat- | stew: multicast can be a zero, as far as i remember |
| 01:39.33 | fbi | lur_: why not install a display manager so you can pick? |
| 01:39.33 | Vlat- | stew: zero indetifies a multicast on a given netmask (as far as i know) :) |
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| 01:39.42 | litage | Vlat-: to make a long story short, it would be very difficult to put the samba server's NIC into promiscuous mode |
| 01:39.44 | rokus | lur_: how do you start your window manager (kdm/kdm/xdm/text + startx)? |
| 01:39.46 | lur_ | like? |
| 01:39.53 | lur_ | startx |
| 01:39.55 | samuel | anyone ever tried putting debian onto pocket pc? |
| 01:40.04 | fbi | lur_: gdm ? kdm ? xdm ? |
| 01:40.09 | stew | Vlat-: no port 0 is reserved. multicast just means the ip address is 224.0.0.0 or greater, dhcp, which is multicast, for instance uses ports 67 and 68 |
| 01:40.09 | litage | samuel: see #handhelds.org |
| 01:40.14 | lur_ | but it gives me this ugly godaweful |
| 01:40.18 | lur_ | nothingness |
| 01:40.24 | mhall | stew: but of course you can nmap people's port 0 |
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| 01:41.14 | fbi | lur_: if you want help, you need to make sense. what gives you 'nothingness' |
| 01:41.19 | orchid | lur_: you can update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 01:41.19 | mhall | P8ntKid: did you inhale too much p8nt when you made that nick? |
| 01:41.20 | Vlat- | stew: by the world, if 0 port isn't rfc-zed, why the app logs it. and maybe it's 0xFF ? |
| 01:41.25 | rokus | lur_: put a line "exec startkde" in your .xinitrc |
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| 01:41.37 | CSMan | hello |
| 01:41.42 | Vlat- | stew: world - word |
| 01:41.45 | CSMan | uhmm... what are masked packages ? |
| 01:41.46 | rokus | (and remove the stuff for your old default wm) |
| 01:41.46 | Vlat- | too late here, sorry |
| 01:41.57 | lur_ | there is no wm |
| 01:42.02 | abrotman | CSMan: example ? |
| 01:42.14 | lur_ | where is xinitrc? |
| 01:42.33 | rokus | in your homedir. /home/user/.xinitrc |
| 01:42.34 | Vlat- | lur_: at your home directory |
| 01:42.35 | P8ntKid | mhall: Haha. no. |
| 01:42.36 | CSMan | abrotman: I don't know , that's why i ask |
| 01:42.41 | CSMan | a friend asked about it |
| 01:42.44 | mhall | P8ntKid: ;-) |
| 01:42.58 | mhall | P8ntKid: sorry had to ask it just to be an ass :-) |
| 01:43.03 | abrotman | CSMan: ask him for an example .. |
| 01:43.04 | Xenguy | lur_: touch ~/.xinitrc |
| 01:43.17 | rokus | lur_: if there is no .xinitrc, make one on your own with the line mentioned above |
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| 01:43.41 | theine | What's the standard way of setting ALSA up under sarge? |
| 01:43.46 | Xenguy | rokus: thanks :-) |
| 01:43.50 | dvs | theine: alsaconf |
| 01:43.53 | stew | Vlat-: mhall yeah. ok you could craft a packet targeting port 0 |
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| 01:44.04 | lur_ | alrighty |
| 01:44.04 | stew | litage: so if it really is tcp/udp port 0. its a malicious packet |
| 01:44.06 | lur_ | I did touch |
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| 01:44.10 | lur_ | but it's a blnk file |
| 01:44.12 | lur_ | blank |
| 01:44.24 | fbi | theine: you need a kernel with alsa drivers or a kernel patch, then you need to install alsa-base |
| 01:44.30 | CSMan | how do i configure remote sources for apt-get and apt-search ? |
| 01:44.34 | theine | fbi, that's it? |
| 01:44.35 | rokus | lur_: that lies in the nature of the command touch.. |
| 01:44.40 | lur_ | ah |
| 01:44.41 | fbi | theine: yes |
| 01:44.46 | lur_ | so what do I put in there? |
| 01:44.54 | rokus | lur_: now write "exec startkde" in that blank file and everything should work |
| 01:44.55 | fbi | theine: what kernel are you running |
| 01:45.11 | lur_ | ok, solid! |
| 01:45.17 | theine | fbi, 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 01:45.25 | Xenguy | lur_: I should have said backup your file first - sorry |
| 01:45.35 | lur_ | lol, what file? |
| 01:45.36 | fbi | theine: apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils; alsaconf; alsamixer |
| 01:45.47 | lur_ | brb |
| 01:45.52 | theine | fbi, alright |
| 01:45.59 | theine | fbi, let me see... |
| 01:46.00 | Xenguy | lur_: the file that may have existed before you did 'touch' :-) |
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| 01:46.09 | Vlat- | stew: the only thing about 'port 0' is where some service is trying to discover something. to discover a SIP registrar at our subnet for exmaple. but what could discover the guy's SMB i just have no idea |
| 01:46.48 | rokus | Xenguy: maybe there wasnt a xinitrc.. i dont have one on this machine either. i dont even know how you can make your debian install a xinitrc on its own.. |
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| 01:47.02 | stew | Vlat-: i don't follow. how would you be discovering anything? |
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| 01:47.26 | Xenguy | rokus: well that would be good if that were true - anyway, you provided the solution that works |
| 01:47.52 | theine | fbi, thanks, alsaconf did the trick |
| 01:47.58 | CSMan | abrotman: masked packages appear in gentoo. apologies. |
| 01:48.05 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 01:49.04 | Seb | deadcat: you watching ? :) |
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| 01:49.27 | Vlat- | stew: the equipenment sends a broadcast to a given network. Equ(10.0.0.8)->10.0.0.0 <Who's the sip registrar?'> it goes around every ip in our net, and 10.0.0.210(for example) is saying (10.0.0.210->10.0.0.8) <'Hey! I'm a SIP registrar, use me!> |
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| 01:50.03 | Vlat- | stew: in by logs it look like 10.0.0.8 sending a request to a 10.0.0.0 |
| 01:50.16 | Seb | Vlat-: .0 is the broadcast address, not .255 ? |
| 01:50.34 | Vlat- | Seb: 0x0 or 0x255...any difference ? |
| 01:50.35 | stew | Vlat-: none of this has anything to do with port0 however. in fact linux will not let you bind to port0, if you try to send from port 0 or bind to port 0, it assigns you a random port insstead of port 0 |
| 01:51.07 | Vlat- | Seb: yes, there is, in a carry flag, and maybe i (or my logger) is wrong, logging 255 as 0 |
| 01:51.16 | stew | Seb: for 10.0.0.0/255.255.255.255, .255 is the broadcast and 0 is the network |
| 01:51.23 | stew | err /255.255.255.0 |
| 01:51.26 | Seb | stew: ah, is what i though |
| 01:51.27 | Vlat- | but dunno, just saying what we're seeng for 4 years |
| 01:51.39 | some_dude | hey, my app is not hanging it's just taking forever to load |
| 01:51.42 | Seb | Vlat-: i understand, no worries :) |
| 01:51.57 | stew | you can use .0 as a broadcast so long as all of the machines agree, but by default its the highest number in the network |
| 01:51.59 | Seb | some_dude: on that 486 with 8M of RAM ? |
| 01:52.15 | Seb | stew: k |
| 01:52.37 | Vlat- | never liked tcp/ip btw :)) |
| 01:52.49 | myren | anyone know a way to view a c/c++ proggies source side-by-side against the compiled asm? |
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| 01:52.59 | fbi | 486 with 8 megs == leet |
| 01:53.02 | myren | 8mb! lucky dog! |
| 01:53.08 | fbi | you got a 512mb hard disk in that badboy? |
| 01:53.19 | servus | myren: Umm, Microsoft Visual Studio? :P |
| 01:53.28 | myren | i could barely afford the $120 for the extra 2mb to bring it to 4mb. |
| 01:53.29 | servus | myren: Also, look into gcc -S |
| 01:53.29 | Seb | i'm just picking on some_dude because since yesterday he decided he was gonna be the king of vagueness |
| 01:53.30 | Vlat- | fbi: it's newscool |
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| 01:53.37 | fbi | hah. |
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| 01:53.45 | Seb | popping in and serving us a statement that could interpreted in 5,000 different ways |
| 01:53.46 | Vlat- | fbi: Amiga 4000 with netbsd...next corner |
| 01:53.50 | Vlat- | it's leet :) |
| 01:53.56 | Seb | s/could/ could be/ |
| 01:53.59 | some_dude | Seb so i missed the comment, i was installing my mouse |
| 01:54.07 | sepen | Seb: http://mikeux.dyndns.org/SPNiX floppy-net-rescue-distro for 486 8 megas -> 4 megas free of ramdisk |
| 01:54.11 | Seb | some_dude: scroll up |
| 01:54.21 | sepen | Seb: my own development distro (beta) |
| 01:54.27 | pearl | Vlat-: amiga is good :)) |
| 01:54.33 | Seb | sepen: heh, advertise on /. |
| 01:54.35 | sepen | Spectrum 64K |
| 01:54.50 | Seb | sepen: make sure you host it somehwere than your own dsl box before you do that htough ;) |
| 01:55.02 | Seb | s/than/else than/ |
| 01:55.06 | Vlat- | pearl: Omiga WAS Good :)) |
| 01:55.10 | pearl | it gives a oldschool feeling :D |
| 01:55.12 | Seb | man how many words am I gonna miss... |
| 01:55.15 | sepen | Seb: I cant underestand |
| 01:55.15 | some_dude | on, no it''s on a processor with some memory |
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| 01:55.21 | Vlat- | currently that A4000 is only the tosser |
| 01:55.30 | Vlat- | for 2:5020/278 FIDONet node |
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| 01:55.35 | some_dude | and we just upgraded the memory so now it has some more |
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| 01:55.50 | Seb | sepen: slashdot.org, advertise your distro there. Once you host it some place that can handle the load :> |
| 01:56.11 | some_dude | why is it doing that ? |
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| 01:56.13 | sepen | Im speak in spanish sorry |
| 01:56.24 | some_dude | Seb why is it doing that ? |
| 01:56.34 | Seb | some_dude: because ? |
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| 01:56.53 | sepen | Seb: that is good or bad?¿ |
| 01:57.00 | Seb | sepen: what is ? |
| 01:57.07 | El_M3sias | #jipi |
| 01:57.21 | some_dude | Seb hehe |
| 01:57.31 | sepen | Seb: slashdot.org, advertise your distro there ... its bad? |
| 01:57.35 | Seb | some_dude: you're good at that, I"m having a hard time |
| 01:57.48 | Seb | sepen: no, slashdot is good. Tons of people reading it. |
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| 01:58.22 | sussudio | Vlat-: 2:5020/278 isn't a node |
| 01:59.04 | Vlat- | sussudio: what's it in this case ? |
| 01:59.04 | some_dude | we have these tables PCs I've had then for 2 years and i finally got them useable |
| 01:59.04 | sussudio | Vlat-: a point. it just says www2.kulichiki.com, it isn't reachable, so it's not a node. |
| 01:59.04 | Seb | servus: heh, I know what you mean... Still, advertising on /. *is* prolly most efficient :) |
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| 01:59.20 | Vlat- | sussudio: 2:5020/278.109 is a point |
| 01:59.29 | some_dude | the trick, put them down, plug and mouse keyyboard and monitor into them |
| 01:59.29 | Vlat- | sussudio: 2:5020/278 is a node |
| 01:59.33 | findmel | I installed java 1.5 how do I make it available across. |
| 01:59.39 | servus | I had an article about something I did on Slashdot, and all the comments were -1 Retardo |
| 01:59.40 | findmel | kind of like global path? |
| 01:59.41 | Vlat- | sussudio: 2:5020 is the networki |
| 01:59.41 | Seb | some_dude: careful, you're starting to give us enough info to help you out |
| 01:59.53 | Vlat- | sussudio: and 2: is the zone |
| 01:59.56 | Vlat- | :) |
| 01:59.58 | sussudio | Vlat-: a node has to be reachable. 2:5020/278 has Pvt set, so it's not a node. they're fucking up fido rules in russia. |
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| 02:00.10 | Seb | findmel: export PATH=/path/to/java/bin:$PATH |
| 02:00.12 | k-man_ | do you always have to add a unix account before being able to add a samba account? |
| 02:00.18 | k-man_ | is there a way to automate it? |
| 02:00.19 | some_dude | Seb when i need help i wont make that mistake |
| 02:00.27 | Seb | some_dude: good |
| 02:00.29 | findmel | Seb, where do I put it? |
| 02:00.35 | Vlat- | sussudio: the node has not to be anythig for anyone. ping bbs.ogo.ru - it's the binkd ip of the /278 |
| 02:00.43 | Seb | findmel: this command ? In your shell startup files |
| 02:00.48 | findmel | Seb, ok |
| 02:00.56 | Firestarter2 | is there a way to make a ppp script that will let me enter my username and password instead of entering it for me |
| 02:01.05 | some_dude | i will say, i like naked chicks, not naked ladies |
| 02:01.11 | Vlat- | sussudio: i dunno where you resolve FTN addresses, but it's wrong address.... |
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| 02:02.15 | Vlat- | sussudio: vladimir:/home/vladimir$ binkd /etc/binkd/binkd.cfg -P2:5020/278 |
| 02:02.36 | Vlat- | sussudio: + 04:01 [14731] call to 2:5020/278@fidonet |
| 02:02.46 | Vlat- | sussudio: + 04:01 [14731] session with f278.n5020.z2.fidonet.net. (194.135.30.191) |
| 02:02.47 | Seb | !binkd |
| 02:02.48 | dpkg | hmm... binkd is an FTN TCP mailer |
| 02:02.52 | Seb | hrm |
| 02:02.55 | Seb | !ftn |
| 02:03.01 | Seb | right |
| 02:03.13 | Seb | damn dpkg, won't ever admit he doesn't know something :) |
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| 02:04.06 | servus | some_dude: Check this chick out, it's hot: http://mwhodges.home.att.net/chick.gif |
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| 02:05.19 | some_dude | servus: she's HOT |
| 02:05.34 | Vlat- | servus: it's YELLOW :) |
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| 02:05.39 | some_dude | now I;m all worked up |
| 02:05.43 | servus | That's jaundace. Let her be. |
| 02:05.50 | rnn | hey. why is doing this error when I do apt-get update? |
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| 02:05.55 | some_dude | Once you've had yellow you won't go back |
| 02:06.02 | rnn | W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net sarge Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 02:06.02 | rnn | W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 02:06.02 | rnn | W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net sid Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 02:06.16 | servus | He's got an angry public key. |
| 02:06.18 | Vlat- | rnm: apt-get install gnupg |
| 02:06.28 | stew | rnn: /msg dpkg marillat key |
| 02:06.30 | sussudio | !tell rnn about flood |
| 02:06.35 | stew | rnn: and in the future, please don't paste in here |
| 02:06.53 | rnn | hehe.. ok. |
| 02:06.58 | rnn | but what is the solution? :o |
| 02:07.04 | Vlat- | btw, what's 'better' right now |
| 02:07.07 | Seb | rnn: stew told ya |
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| 02:07.09 | Vlat- | unstable or test |
| 02:07.09 | fbi | wait a minute. why is his apt trying to pull from all of marillat's branches? |
| 02:07.32 | Seb | fbi: because rnn messed up, most likely :) |
| 02:07.39 | fbi | heh. |
| 02:07.44 | Vlat- | i use unstable on the left machine |
| 02:07.51 | Vlat- | test on the right machine |
| 02:07.58 | Vlat- | don't see any difference :) |
| 02:08.06 | rnn | I have updated my apt-get / aptitude from unstable version.. can be it the problem? |
| 02:08.21 | Seb | rnn: remove sarge source lines then |
| 02:08.25 | stew | rnn: /msg dpkg apt secure ; /msg dpkg marillat key |
| 02:08.27 | Seb | rnn: and do what stew told ya |
| 02:08.32 | Seb | again |
| 02:09.12 | Teolupus | Hello.... What u guys think about XFCE? |
| 02:09.36 | useruser | Teolupus: i use it, it's ok generally |
| 02:09.40 | Vlat- | Teolupus: 3 or 4 ? |
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| 02:10.06 | Teolupus | 4 |
| 02:10.42 | Vlat- | Teolupus: in my houmble oppinion... it's not for me |
| 02:10.44 | Teolupus | useruser: generally? what kind of problem do you have with it? |
| 02:10.48 | Vlat- | 3 was OK |
| 02:10.54 | Vlat- | was similar to CDE |
| 02:11.00 | Vlat- | either to OS/2-s PM |
| 02:11.04 | dvs | CDE? Yuck! |
| 02:11.05 | useruser | Teolupus: i dunno, stupid shortcut keys |
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| 02:11.18 | Seb | !start a wm war |
| 02:11.18 | dpkg | enlightenment sucks! |
| 02:11.19 | useruser | Teolupus: and a very slow run dialog box |
| 02:11.22 | Seb | heh, good one |
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| 02:11.27 | Seb | who uses sawfish ? |
| 02:11.31 | Vlat- | dpkg: really sucks |
| 02:11.39 | Vlat- | dpkg: fwvm rule |
| 02:11.42 | useruser | Teolupus: and it uses too much screen space, and autohide sucks |
| 02:11.51 | useruser | Teolupus: but actually i like it enough to use it every day |
| 02:11.51 | kamaraju | Using Debian Sid. What package should I install to get help in openoffice? Right now, if I press F1 in oocalc, I am getting an error in the form of popup saying that, "The help system could not be restarted ...." |
| 02:12.04 | Seb | kamaraju: apt-cache search openoffice |
| 02:12.05 | Gnea | hrm |
| 02:12.18 | useruser | kamaraju: when i looked yesterday, there was nothing i could find |
| 02:12.22 | Seb | kamaraju: if it's 2.0 it might be broken |
| 02:12.27 | useruser | kamaraju: i think the new help packages aren't there yet |
| 02:12.27 | Vlat- | karsten: apt-get install openoffice (AFAIR) |
| 02:12.38 | kamaraju | useruser: ok |
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| 02:12.53 | useruser | kamaraju: maybe they're in experimental... |
| 02:12.56 | kamaraju | Seb: yes. I am using openoffice 2.0 |
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| 02:13.04 | Vlat- | kamaraju: install gnome and you won't have this error |
| 02:13.24 | Vlat- | you'll have a 200mb of unused garbage ;) |
| 02:13.27 | kamaraju | Vlat-: Really? Do you think the error is something to do with kde? |
| 02:13.29 | useruser | Vlat-: eh? |
| 02:13.47 | useruser | Vlat-: openoffice has its own help system i though |
| 02:13.48 | useruser | t |
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| 02:15.19 | kamaraju | Ok now I know that the openoffice help is broken. I have another question regarding oocalc. When I enter =LOG(5.0), it gives me an error saying that Err:511. Should I file a bug report? Can anyone reproduce it? |
| 02:15.26 | Teolupus | useruser: i tested XFCE on slackware... It seems to be very focused on usability. |
| 02:15.36 | Teolupus | useruser: Is it running stable on Debian? |
| 02:15.45 | useruser | Teolupus: mostly |
| 02:16.02 | Vlat- | kamaraju & useruser : a beg of pardon |
| 02:16.06 | useruser | kamaraju: try #openoffice perhaps |
| 02:16.21 | Teolupus | useruser: crashes? |
| 02:16.22 | useruser | kamaraju: er, #openoffice.org |
| 02:16.33 | Vlat- | kamaraju & useruser : i thought other thing |
| 02:16.55 | useruser | Teolupus: very rarely |
| 02:17.22 | kamaraju | useruser: ok. I will try in openoffice.org |
| 02:17.27 | stew | kamaraju: i get it here |
| 02:17.40 | Vlat- | karsten: but at any way...installed gnome + OO worked always. |
| 02:17.51 | useruser | Teolupus: another annoying thing: if an app (like firefox) changes the title of a window quickly, the xfce wm gets lagged and everything slows down |
| 02:17.54 | kamaraju | stew: Get what? the error? or the correct value? |
| 02:17.57 | karsten | Vlat-: Mind your tab expansions please. |
| 02:18.14 | stew | kamaraju: Err:511, version is 1.1.4-7 here |
| 02:18.44 | Vlat- | karsten: got it. 2 servers and X channs opened here. Sorry. |
| 02:18.55 | karsten | karsten: The command you want is 'ln()', not 'log()'. |
| 02:19.34 | karsten | kamaraju: ^^ |
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| 02:19.47 | kamaraju | karsten: But it gives an autocompletion for log |
| 02:20.06 | karsten | kamaraju: log() takes two arguments, value and base. Either ln() for natural log or log10() for log base 10. |
| 02:20.06 | useruser | kamaraju: look at insert -> function |
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| 02:20.13 | karsten | kamaraju: Use the equation editor. |
| 02:20.16 | useruser | kamaraju: ^^ what karmen said |
| 02:20.26 | Vlat- | by the word |
| 02:20.32 | useruser | or karsten ... too many ks around here |
| 02:20.39 | Vlat- | I would like to discuss hw-acceled Xserver |
| 02:20.43 | karsten | useruser: Yeah, I'm thinnking of changing my name to "John". |
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| 02:20.50 | Frem | I have an unofficial package with stupid deps. It's just a theme, and it's installed and works fine, but apt keeps trying to uninstall it. How do I convince it to ignore it? |
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| 02:21.04 | gambler | anyone know how to set the VT font to huge from the command line in an xterm? |
| 02:21.11 | karsten | Frem: Why's it uninstalling / wanting to? |
| 02:21.41 | karsten | Frem: ... there should be a reason given. |
| 02:21.44 | Frem | karsten: gtk2-engines-bluecurve: Depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.9.0) but 1.8.0-4 is to be installed |
| 02:21.46 | kamaraju | Thanks guys. That was really helpful. Hopefully the help system comes back soon. |
| 02:22.12 | karsten | Frem: That might have something to do with it. You can request a hold on the bluecurve package. |
| 02:22.52 | Frem | karsten: the thing is, it is not an offical package. And it works completely fine with the older version of libatk. I just want to make apt ignore it. |
| 02:23.29 | roby | Where is the dvd encryption css scrypt located? |
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| 02:24.38 | nixuser | does anyone know what packages to install for system services admin with a front end? |
| 02:25.23 | useruser | gambler: consolechars doesn't work? |
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| 02:26.32 | Teolupus | Hey dudes... need your help here! I'm installing Linux for some company users (migrating from Windows). I'm looking for alternatives to nautilus as a graphical file manager.... Anyone knows a good one? |
| 02:26.41 | nixuser | anyone know what packages to install for system services admininstration? |
| 02:26.51 | dvs | Teolupus: konqueror? |
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| 02:27.02 | xixor | Teolupus: Konquerors really nice |
| 02:27.11 | treyh0 | chanserv doesn't like me |
| 02:27.27 | Teolupus | dvs: Nopz.... i think it's too much poluted... |
| 02:27.31 | xixor | Teolupus: It works great as a graphical ftp/sftp client as well |
| 02:27.33 | useruser | Teolupus: xfe |
| 02:27.39 | useruser | Teolupus: great for windows migrants |
| 02:27.48 | useruser | Teolupus: although it actually sucks ass |
| 02:28.11 | cheal | nixuser: example? |
| 02:28.18 | Teolupus | useruser: I dont know this one... where can I see it? (URL) |
| 02:28.24 | useruser | Teolupus: apt-get install xfe, i think |
| 02:28.37 | useruser | yup |
| 02:28.53 | useruser | ... or it's the first google hit |
| 02:28.54 | nixuser | starting and stopping samba, apache, etc |
| 02:29.04 | nixuser | something with a front end |
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| 02:29.26 | dvs | !tell dkowis-away about away |
| 02:29.28 | Teolupus | useruser: Loved it.... they will never notice the diference ! |
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| 02:29.54 | maher | nixuser: what's wrong with /etc/init.d/apache start - the gui front ends tend to be more trouble to admininster than the things they are front-ending |
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| 02:30.05 | sepen | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:31.03 | nixuser | ive run several debian based distros that use the front end, im used to doing it that way is all |
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| 02:31.14 | maher | nixuser: what front end did they use |
| 02:31.26 | nixuser | thats what im trying to find out |
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| 02:31.50 | nixuser | x windows user here, stuck on gui's |
| 02:31.59 | Frem | Teolupus: you might also check out Rox. |
| 02:32.25 | Seb | you can be stuck in console, but certainly not stuck in x :> |
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| 02:33.20 | nixuser | i noticed there is a system services link on the debian menu, but it doesnt work, thats why i was wondering what to install |
| 02:33.47 | cheal | !x windows |
| 02:33.47 | dpkg | It's X dammit! A) The X Window System. B) X |
| 02:33.47 | gambler | useruser: I just have a hard time seeing the default. I don't like the other fonts I just want to use that one, and I dont know how to get that menu up without the mouse, which I try not to use. |
| 02:33.55 | nixuser | actually its called services admin |
| 02:34.22 | Teolupus | Frem: ROX desktop manager? |
| 02:34.28 | treyh0 | Microsoft Windows X |
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| 02:34.52 | treyh0 | we're stuck in a world without doors |
| 02:35.00 | Kovecses | where does most of debians development take place? |
| 02:35.09 | cheal | Kovecses: in unstable |
| 02:35.16 | treyh0 | Kovecses: lucid dreams |
| 02:35.24 | cheal | hehehe |
| 02:35.25 | Kovecses | cheal, i mean part of the world |
| 02:35.32 | maher | nixuser: in gnome or kde |
| 02:35.36 | cheal | Kovecses: occident I guess |
| 02:35.37 | nixuser | gnome |
| 02:35.47 | Vlat- | part of the world ? |
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| 02:35.51 | Vlat- | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:35.53 | maher | nixuser: you need to install some package with the gnome system services |
| 02:35.54 | Vlat- | make world |
| 02:36.00 | nite613 | is irc a world? |
| 02:36.10 | Vlat- | no |
| 02:36.14 | Vlat- | irc it the Marix |
| 02:36.15 | nite613 | are you sure? |
| 02:36.17 | Seb | Kovecses: there's map on linuks.mine.nu iirc |
| 02:36.22 | Vlat- | and the Marix is the movie |
| 02:36.25 | Vlat- | Marix |
| 02:36.30 | Vlat- | The nightmare of 3d programmers |
| 02:36.30 | maher | nixuser: gnome-system-tools <-- i think its that |
| 02:36.37 | nite613 | IRC is not a movie |
| 02:36.38 | Seb | Kovecses: although it might be for #debian, not necessarly developers |
| 02:36.57 | nixuser | maher, thanks ill try that |
| 02:37.02 | Kovecses | Seb, hah hah very funny |
| 02:37.06 | treyh0 | can dpkg tell me how many days a package has been in unstable w/o changes? |
| 02:37.11 | Vlat- | nite613: are you sure you aren't sleeping now ? |
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| 02:37.59 | nite613 | Vlat-: Yup. I keep asking myself that; I find it's about 1/3 sleeping, 2/3 awake. Though there is some blurring at the edges |
| 02:38.14 | cheal | treyh0: not alone |
| 02:38.17 | Frem | Teolupus: ROX can be a desktop manager. If you start it with no arguments, however, it makes a great, small, fast file manager. |
| 02:38.52 | treyh0 | cheal: k thanks, guess its good old packages.debian.org/whatever -> developer information for me :) |
| 02:39.06 | Vlat- | avout matrix...let's take a projection matrix...and multiply x coordinates by sin(theta) and y coordinates by cos(theta). It'll cause a rotation for us... :))) |
| 02:39.10 | Kovecses | is debian better than fedora? |
| 02:39.29 | Seb | Kovecses: it used to be there |
| 02:39.34 | Vlat- | sorry, no projection matrix....model matrix |
| 02:39.40 | Seb | Kovecses: nah, fedora is actually better |
| 02:40.07 | treyh0 | blasphemy |
| 02:40.23 | cheal | Kovecses: good question, let me ask #debian |
| 02:40.34 | treyh0 | lol |
| 02:40.34 | cheal | they said yes |
| 02:40.43 | Vlat- | Kovecses: no. debian suck |
| 02:40.45 | Frem | lol, good point. #fedora is also highly biased, I hear. ;-) |
| 02:40.54 | Vlat- | Kovecses: use RHFE |
| 02:41.37 | treyh0 | Kovecses: depends on what u want it for |
| 02:41.56 | Seb | treyh0: actually it doesn't |
| 02:42.04 | treyh0 | Kovecses: if u want bleeding edge software that will crash on you cause its released in a "stable" version of linux as BETA |
| 02:42.07 | treyh0 | then choose fedora |
| 02:42.28 | treyh0 | if you want a "Testing ground" for an OS that costs over $2k per license |
| 02:42.31 | treyh0 | then choose fedora |
| 02:42.48 | treyh0 | if you want to give RHAT free employment, |
| 02:42.49 | treyh0 | then choose fedora |
| 02:42.52 | Vlat- | Fedora is a name from russian writer's novell "Fedorina Gore". |
| 02:43.03 | Xenguy | treyh0: point taken :-) |
| 02:43.07 | Frem | Personally, if I were going to use an RPM based system, I'd go with openSuSE. |
| 02:43.11 | Vlat- | it means "The trouble of Feudora" |
| 02:43.29 | Seb | heh |
| 02:43.33 | treyh0 | why rpm at all? |
| 02:43.34 | Vlat- | Alexander Marshack wrote this novell in 1932... |
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| 02:43.40 | some_dude | say i want to create an VNC session for user bob on startup, how would i do this ? |
| 02:43.44 | Seb | Vlat-: a true visionary |
| 02:43.45 | Vlat- | that was a wise guy |
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| 02:43.49 | Xenguy | treyh0: hardcore heh |
| 02:44.11 | treyh0 | i put rpm on my woody box @ work to do all the RPM compiles |
| 02:44.22 | treyh0 | people install rpms for the software built purely on debian |
| 02:44.26 | Frem | treyh0: I didn't say I'd actually go with an RPM system, but if I *had* to use one... ;-) |
| 02:44.35 | Vlat- | but i don't remember any distro called Debian's Trouble |
| 02:44.42 | Xenguy | hah |
| 02:44.42 | Vlat- | Stuck of Suse |
| 02:44.57 | Vlat- | Mandrake's antagony |
| 02:45.05 | Xenguy | go baby go |
| 02:45.33 | Frem | I dislike Mandrake. It killed two of my cdrom drives. |
| 02:45.47 | Kovecses | mandrake is horrible |
| 02:45.49 | Vlat- | Freak: kernel did |
| 02:45.52 | Xenguy | Frem: I never tried it, but by that time I was hooked on Debian |
| 02:46.03 | cheal | Frem: haha. 9.2? |
| 02:46.11 | treyh0 | i never got over mandrake's original icon theme |
| 02:46.13 | Xenguy | Frem: and the 'club' concept irritated me to no end |
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| 02:46.15 | Frem | cheal: worse, 9.0 |
| 02:46.15 | treyh0 | i think it scarred me |
| 02:46.21 | Vlat- | hm |
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| 02:46.29 | Vlat- | Mandrake is the BEST virus |
| 02:46.30 | Frem | Xenguy: actually, I got started in Linux with mandrake 7.0 |
| 02:46.33 | treyh0 | lol |
| 02:46.36 | Vlat- | it can scribble a hardware |
| 02:46.41 | cheal | Frem: oh, I remembered a warning about early 9.2 hurting CD drives too |
| 02:47.03 | Vlat- | last time only the CIH virus could erase CMOS eproms :) |
| 02:47.15 | Xenguy | Frem: no blame, but c'mon, "If you got the buck$, you can be in the Club" ;-) |
| 02:47.24 | Frem | cheal: I saw it after the fact... LG's hotfix never worked for me. >:-( |
| 02:47.27 | Vlat- | Linux is destroying your HW |
| 02:47.30 | treyh0 | mandrake must have seriously screwed up the kernel |
| 02:47.33 | Vlat- | aware of it! |
| 02:47.48 | some_dude | to make a .sh runable what is the mask ? 744 ? |
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| 02:47.58 | treyh0 | some_dude: 755 |
| 02:48.02 | treyh0 | or 750 |
| 02:48.05 | treyh0 | or 700 |
| 02:48.10 | treyh0 | generally |
| 02:48.12 | Seb | o 070 |
| 02:48.14 | Seb | or ... |
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| 02:48.18 | treyh0 | sorry i tend to press enter too quickly |
| 02:48.19 | Vlat- | +x |
| 02:48.19 | Xenguy | some_dude: 755 |
| 02:48.22 | stew | !wikifaq some_dude Permissions |
| 02:48.23 | dpkg | some_dude: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 02:48.33 | Xenguy | some_dude: it has to be executable |
| 02:48.42 | treyh0 | oooooooook a wikifaq command, sweet |
| 02:48.44 | Frem | cheal: actually, it was a problem with LG's cdrom drives, but mandrake knew there were potential problems and they shipped the stupid thing anyway. |
| 02:48.46 | treyh0 | ooooh :) |
| 02:49.19 | Xenguy | Frem: I wouldn't even consider commercial linux any more :-) |
| 02:49.30 | stew | Xenguy: not even sco? |
| 02:49.31 | Vlat- | Freak: LG? never buy that korean crap |
| 02:49.37 | Xenguy | stew: well... |
| 02:49.50 | Seb | cmon, solaris is good :) |
| 02:49.56 | Vlat- | Freak: 4 of LG monitors died here last 5 month |
| 02:50.02 | Xenguy | slolaris? er ... |
| 02:50.03 | Vlat- | one after another |
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| 02:50.11 | treyh0 | LoL nice name for solaris |
| 02:50.27 | stew | if you want a really sleek os, you install linuxfromscratch and then dist-upgrade to ubuntu breezy |
| 02:50.36 | stew | </troll> |
| 02:50.44 | some_dude | i just need the chart of bits and premissions |
| 02:50.48 | Xenguy | nyah |
| 02:51.05 | lexiyntax | Is there a site somewhere that describes rootkits in detail so I can check myself to see if a chkrootkit scan is correct or bogus? |
| 02:51.16 | Xenguy | some_dude: rwxr-xr-x |
| 02:51.21 | treyh0 | ubuntu bleh |
| 02:51.35 | stew | some_dude: did you look at the wiki page? |
| 02:51.38 | treyh0 | at least when i installed pnm2ppa on debian it asked me for my printer type so i could actually print! |
| 02:51.41 | Vlat- | stew: why? 2.2. aptitude. vim /etc/apt/sources.list -> unstable ; apt-get update|apt-get dist-upgrade;apt-get upgrade |
| 02:51.43 | some_dude | it as not quick |
| 02:51.49 | treyh0 | ubuntu just installed it and is like "ah he dont care if he can't print" |
| 02:51.50 | some_dude | 1 read 2 write 4 exe ? |
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| 02:51.57 | useruser | some_dude: rtfm |
| 02:52.05 | Xenguy | lexiyntax: google for that; also get a 2nd opinion from rkhunter |
| 02:52.06 | some_dude | hehe |
| 02:52.27 | stew | Vlat-: i have no idea what you are trying to say to me |
| 02:52.45 | Xenguy | some_dude: yeah, and it can actually be memorized by mere mortals ;-) |
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| 02:53.07 | Vlat- | stew: then nothing. forget it |
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| 02:53.09 | tarantulafudge | hey |
| 02:53.10 | stew | some_dude: that's wrong |
| 02:53.12 | Xenguy | some_dude: it's cool when you 'just get it' :-) |
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| 02:53.23 | tarantulafudge | Is there some way to install all the apache2 stuff? |
| 02:53.32 | tarantulafudge | or package persay |
| 02:53.49 | lexiyntax | I've been googling for it for a while without success; asking here was a last resort. |
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| 02:54.00 | Xenguy | stew: yah, yer right :-) |
| 02:54.03 | tarantulafudge | hello? |
| 02:54.09 | Frem | tarantulafudge: "apt-cache search apache | less" |
| 02:54.09 | Seb | tarantulafudge: well, what did you install, and what are you missing ? |
| 02:54.11 | Xenguy | some_dude: what stew said |
| 02:54.34 | tarantulafudge | well, I want to have anything that might be ever useful in a webhost |
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| 02:54.43 | some_dude | stew I'm just guess, if it's 5 they can exe, but i would not want them to write, so 1 or 4 is read and the other exe, since i would not make exe 1, its as a good guess that 4 was exe |
| 02:54.50 | encompass | I am trying to rid myself of an old driver I have installed... it is ndiswrapper based... I found the files and deleted them... I tried removing the ndis package and all settings but to no avail... what can I do next? |
| 02:55.10 | some_dude | I'm wrong |
| 02:55.15 | some_dude | so sad |
| 02:55.16 | Seb | tarantulafudge: install apache2. Then you'll search for the rest as you need it. Or what Frem said. |
| 02:55.19 | some_dude | but it was a good guess |
| 02:55.20 | stew | some_dude: why would you guess when the wiki page explains it very clearly |
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| 02:55.29 | Xenguy | some_dude: 4 = read; 2 = write; 1 = execute |
| 02:55.32 | encompass | morning some_dude Seb and stew |
| 02:55.39 | Xenguy | some_dude: you were close |
| 02:55.42 | encompass | hi |
| 02:55.48 | some_dude | something keeps beeping |
| 02:55.52 | Seb | sup |
| 02:56.22 | tarantulafudge | whats the apache php module called |
| 02:56.28 | tarantulafudge | for the debian package |
| 02:56.38 | Seb | tarantulafudge: use "apt-cache search" already |
| 02:56.49 | encompass | apt-cache search php |
| 02:57.05 | encompass | apt-cache search php | less if there is too much |
| 02:57.25 | Xenguy | tarantulafudge: apt-cache search apache |grep php |
| 02:57.30 | some_dude | my batter should beep more than 3 time before going dead |
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| 02:57.44 | encompass | tarantulafudge did you get that? do you understand what to do? |
| 02:57.45 | Xenguy | some_dude: think fast ;-) |
| 02:57.50 | treyh0 | your batter beeps? |
| 02:57.58 | encompass | microwave |
| 02:58.02 | encompass | right? |
| 02:58.17 | Xenguy | hey batter batter, hey batter, hey batter batter |
| 02:58.22 | tarantulafudge | encompass sorta lol |
| 02:58.24 | Seb | batters bat |
| 02:58.27 | encompass | haha |
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| 02:58.34 | encompass | no they swing |
| 02:58.38 | Xenguy | schwing! |
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| 02:58.46 | Abysmal | eveing all.. i have a question about setting up a printer.. |
| 02:58.48 | encompass | and a miss |
| 02:58.54 | Xenguy | Abysmal: cups |
| 02:59.00 | encompass | can someone help me here? |
| 02:59.04 | encompass | I am trying to rid myself of an old driver I have installed... it is ndiswrapper based... I found the files and deleted them... I tried removing the ndis package and all settings but to no avail... what can I do next? |
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| 02:59.18 | Abysmal | yes.. i get the printer installed and up and running but how do i get my windows pc to print to it?? |
| 02:59.24 | tarantulafudge | php4 comes with ability to connect to mysql correct? |
| 02:59.29 | useruser | Abysmal: samba |
| 02:59.33 | treyh0 | encompass: edit /etc/modules and remove the module/driver ? |
| 02:59.38 | stew | tarantulafudge: apt-get install php4-mysql |
| 02:59.39 | Seb | tarantulafudge: apt-cache search php mysql |
| 02:59.41 | encompass | thanks |
| 02:59.41 | Seb | tarantulafudge: dude ! |
| 02:59.41 | Xenguy | tarantulafudge: debian integrates those components somehow |
| 03:00.12 | Abysmal | samba will talk to the cups printer?? |
| 03:00.28 | useruser | Abysmal: think so |
| 03:00.32 | treyh0 | Abysmal: yeah you have to install a cups driver for windows |
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| 03:00.35 | encompass | tarantulafudge yes |
| 03:00.41 | encompass | php can connect to anything |
| 03:00.42 | treyh0 | Abysmal: google for it cause i can't remember the URL off-hand |
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| 03:00.52 | encompass | treyh0 it is not there |
| 03:00.53 | tarantulafudge | apache-common states version 1.3.3, does this mean its only for apache 1.3? |
| 03:00.56 | Abysmal | any idea what the url will be like on the win box?? |
| 03:01.02 | Abysmal | i'll google |
| 03:01.06 | treyh0 | encompass: how do u know its still getting loaded then? |
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| 03:01.22 | some_dude | show can i create a vncsession for user X on startup ? |
| 03:01.33 | Seb | some_dude: on startup of ... ? |
| 03:01.34 | treyh0 | Abysmal: http://server:631/printers/DeskJet_722C |
| 03:01.37 | some_dude | boot |
| 03:01.38 | encompass | cause it has an error loading everytime I startup and every time I put the pcmcia card in |
| 03:01.42 | encompass | good enough? |
| 03:01.57 | treyh0 | but i thought u said u didnt use it anymore? |
| 03:02.01 | abrotman | tarantulafudge: apache2-common |
| 03:02.02 | abrotman | !u |
| 03:02.02 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:02.05 | encompass | I didn't |
| 03:02.16 | encompass | I want to use the real drivers now that they work |
| 03:02.19 | treyh0 | !fuck u |
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| 03:02.25 | some_dude | i have a user called spring, and i want sprint to have a vnc session on boot |
| 03:02.35 | treyh0 | encompass: is it in your /etc/network/interfaces maybe? |
| 03:02.44 | Cone | didn't sprint get bought out? |
| 03:02.44 | encompass | let me look |
| 03:02.55 | Seb | some_dude: you mean a vnc client popping up when he logs in X ? |
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| 03:02.57 | some_dude | !fuck Seb |
| 03:03.08 | Abysmal | thanks for the samba info... |
| 03:03.09 | some_dude | no a server session when the system boots |
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| 03:03.28 | Abysmal | is there a gui samba config util other than webmin?? |
| 03:03.28 | some_dude | so the user can login |
| 03:03.31 | some_dude | via VNC |
| 03:03.33 | treyh0 | encompass: maybe go in to aptitude and search for ndiswrapper* and purge them all |
| 03:03.38 | treyh0 | Abysmal: apt-get install swat |
| 03:03.57 | treyh0 | Abysmal: http://server:901 once intsalled |
| 03:03.57 | encompass | I did that all ready |
| 03:04.11 | Abysmal | thanks again.. |
| 03:04.29 | Seb | !cluebat some_dude |
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| 03:04.38 | encompass | treyh0 I see it there |
| 03:04.46 | encompass | let me see if that fixes the problem |
| 03:04.48 | some_dude | no one is going to login to this system, but i want one person to vnc to it after it boots |
| 03:04.49 | encompass | I will be back |
| 03:04.50 | xixor | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:05.01 | xixor | that !cluebat thing |
| 03:05.09 | some_dude | i guess i could give them root access |
| 03:05.14 | Seb | !cluebat some_dude |
| 03:05.16 | encompass | some_dude vnc is a login |
| 03:05.32 | some_dude | ok |
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| 03:05.34 | some_dude | fine |
| 03:05.35 | Seb | the cluebat was designed especially for some_dude |
| 03:05.41 | encompass | ha |
| 03:05.48 | some_dude | Seb how can i do that ? |
| 03:05.59 | encompass | here... hit me with it too... I want him to feel better |
| 03:06.07 | Seb | some_dude: why are you asking me ? |
| 03:06.07 | encompass | come on... hit me |
| 03:06.14 | Seb | encompass: hit yerself, foo :) |
| 03:06.21 | abrotman | Seb: cows are blue! |
| 03:06.24 | encompass | I can take it |
| 03:06.25 | some_dude | You like those informed questions |
| 03:06.27 | encompass | I am tough |
| 03:06.36 | some_dude | !fuck encompass |
| 03:06.39 | Seb | abrotman: purple, here |
| 03:06.44 | some_dude | encompass: I can take it |
| 03:06.51 | encompass | ouch.. you used that big end of that bat! |
| 03:06.51 | abrotman | Seb: you beat your cows? |
| 03:07.04 | Seb | some_dude: see, that's why noboy wants to help ya no more |
| 03:07.06 | creatin | i just installed Debian for the first time off of a net intall CD and the kernel loads properly but Gnome or KDE won |
| 03:07.11 | creatin | 't load |
| 03:07.12 | Seb | abrotman: nah they come purple is all |
| 03:07.15 | abrotman | oh |
| 03:07.25 | some_dude | I want to crateone happy VNC server session when the computer firsts boots |
| 03:07.40 | some_dude | clear ? |
| 03:07.45 | encompass | creatin did you install them? |
| 03:07.51 | Vlat- | creatin: very great! congrat.! |
| 03:08.01 | Seb | some_dude: the clearest you can ever be. But I won't help you, though. |
| 03:08.14 | some_dude | Seb you just won't like me |
| 03:08.30 | shiky | KAnotix |
| 03:08.33 | some_dude | drop me a bone ppl |
| 03:08.35 | creatin | i just installed Debian for the first time off of a net intall CD and the kernel loads properly but Gnome or KDE dosn't load on boot, how do i launch it from the shell? are my graphic wrong? |
| 03:08.41 | encompass | Sebastian Gregory Johnson... you help that man right now! |
| 03:08.45 | some_dude | i like dr evil |
| 03:08.48 | shiky | creatin: use Kanotix |
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| 03:08.53 | Seb | !reconfigure x |
| 03:08.54 | dpkg | i guess reconfigure x is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and answer the questions. If you don't know what hardware you have, you can use discover, read-edid and mdetect hardware detecting tools to help you. If you don't know how they work, read their manpages "man <program>". |
| 03:08.57 | some_dude | drop me a freakn bone |
| 03:09.06 | Seb | creatin: try that |
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| 03:09.26 | Seb | some_dude: you really shot yourself in the foot |
| 03:09.35 | some_dude | how ? |
| 03:09.35 | creatin | shiky: what is Kanotix? |
| 03:09.36 | encompass | I am rebooting |
| 03:10.14 | Seb | some_dude: 20:03:04 some_dude | !fuck Seb ? |
| 03:10.18 | shiky | creatin: best Debain based distro |
| 03:10.19 | Seb | creatin: a debian based distro |
| 03:10.29 | some_dude | come on, that was all in good fun |
| 03:10.29 | creatin | dpkg: ok any more idea's? |
| 03:10.30 | tarantulafudge | I have a problem, I installed php and it installed for apache1 instead of 2 |
| 03:10.33 | tarantulafudge | what do I do? |
| 03:10.34 | Seb | creatin: but trconfigure X as I said |
| 03:10.46 | Seb | reconfigure |
| 03:11.03 | Seb | tarantulafudge: you use apt-cache search again, trying for apache2 and php ? |
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| 03:11.22 | Seb | tarantulafudge: you do get the overall feel of apt-cache search, by now, don't you ? Because you should. |
| 03:11.27 | tarantulafudge | lol |
| 03:11.32 | phych0 | heh |
| 03:11.37 | tarantulafudge | how do I remove everything just installed by php4 |
| 03:11.42 | tarantulafudge | so I can start over |
| 03:11.47 | phych0 | dpkg -l | grep php |
| 03:11.48 | dpkg | grep php |
| 03:11.55 | Seb | tarantulafudge: dpkg -l "*php*" |
| 03:12.07 | Seb | phych0: useless use of grep ? ;) |
| 03:12.14 | stew | tarantulafudge: why would you want to start over? |
| 03:12.28 | phych0 | ;) still works though |
| 03:12.35 | Seb | stew: he is pretty ocnfused. I thinnk that'll make him feel better :) |
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| 03:12.44 | Seb | phych0: like cat foo | grep bar does, heh |
| 03:12.53 | phych0 | :P |
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| 03:12.57 | Seb | 1on, nobody out |
| 03:13.00 | creatin | shiky: do i need to reintall to use Kanotix? |
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| 03:13.09 | Seb | creatin: it's a different linux so yes |
| 03:13.14 | encompass | treyh0 it works grea thank you |
| 03:13.22 | Seb | creatin: now, why won't you just reconfigure X like you've been told 4 times now ? |
| 03:13.38 | ryan` | hello, does anyone know of a program that will prevent other programs from forking into the backgroud, other the djb's fghack (I can't use it for licencing reasons) |
| 03:13.46 | encompass | !soda treyh0 |
| 03:13.53 | Seb | creatin: either you do that, or you go to #kanotix |
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| 03:14.06 | creatin | ok, i was just looking for all posable solutions b/c i'll have to reboot off the live disc |
| 03:14.08 | Seb | some_dude: nah man, no /msg |
| 03:14.19 | Seb | some_dude: ain't about you this time, i just don't like them |
| 03:14.19 | encompass | creatin why! |
| 03:14.26 | shiky | creatin yes |
| 03:14.27 | some_dude | Seb I was finished |
| 03:14.28 | tarantulafudge | ok how do I remove configs left by old packages i just uninstalled |
| 03:14.31 | Seb | creatin: the live disk ? |
| 03:14.38 | Seb | creatin: what live disk ? |
| 03:14.43 | phych0 | dpkg --purge |
| 03:14.46 | encompass | sheesh |
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| 03:15.04 | creatin | a live ubuntu disc |
| 03:15.09 | Seb | ryan`: why do you need that ? |
| 03:15.10 | encompass | sheesh |
| 03:15.17 | Seb | creatin: so go the FUCK to #ubuntu |
| 03:15.22 | phych0 | lol |
| 03:15.25 | Seb | man... |
| 03:15.25 | encompass | this is nuts |
| 03:15.28 | creatin | debian is on my drive and the gui won't load |
| 03:15.30 | Seb | encompass: what is ? |
| 03:15.38 | stew | creatin: why not? |
| 03:15.45 | some_dude | Seb anyway I was just playing around and if i pissed you off, I did not mean to |
| 03:15.48 | Seb | creatin: reboot into debina, reconfigure X as dpkg told ya. THis is your last warning. |
| 03:15.49 | encompass | your conversation is insane... how do you deal with it |
| 03:15.56 | Seb | some_dude: apologies accepted |
| 03:16.02 | Seb | encompass: what do you mean ? |
| 03:16.10 | mackid | hey all. running a new install of debian unstable and XFCE. question: how do I enable display resolutions that I can't change with the graphical "Display Settings" program? |
| 03:16.18 | treyh0 | encompass: cool |
| 03:16.18 | creatin | ok ok, if that dosn't work i'll be back |
| 03:16.23 | mackid | 1152x870, it's not listed. |
| 03:16.29 | Seb | dpkg, tell mackid about reconfigure x |
| 03:16.30 | creatin | and not very happy |
| 03:16.36 | encompass | well, you work with people that just don't listen... I learned my lesson... I listen now |
| 03:16.40 | encompass | and I am happy |
| 03:16.41 | Seb | creatin: i can take it, trust me |
| 03:16.45 | mackid | thanks Seb |
| 03:16.48 | Seb | encompass: good :) |
| 03:16.52 | encompass | ha |
| 03:17.02 | mackid | I knew it was something like that but I was thinking dpkg --reconfigure <package> |
| 03:17.12 | Seb | encompass: the good thing is, i touch-type, so it goes really fast ;) Matter of fact I watch baseball now, as well :D |
| 03:17.29 | cheal | mackid: hint: you don't want to run unstable |
| 03:17.30 | Seb | mackid: yeah, somehow dpkg-reconfigure is a separate command... |
| 03:17.31 | encompass | do anyone no a good channel for help with bash scripts? |
| 03:17.39 | Seb | encompass: shell master her :) |
| 03:17.40 | encompass | I have far to many questions for here |
| 03:17.42 | cheal | encompass: #bash ? |
| 03:17.42 | Seb | encompass: try me |
| 03:17.45 | mackid | cheal: why not? ;) |
| 03:17.48 | tarantulafudge | whats the point of apache-perl and apache-ssl ? |
| 03:17.49 | encompass | we |
| 03:17.51 | encompass | well |
| 03:18.03 | Seb | tarantulafudge: take a wild, wild guess... |
| 03:18.06 | stew | tarantulafudge: apt-cache show apache-ssl |
| 03:18.13 | tarantulafudge | seems kinda silly |
| 03:18.14 | cheal | mackid: because unstable is for those who at least know Debian very well |
| 03:18.17 | encompass | I am trying to make a case and I am getting an error |
| 03:18.28 | encompass | I think I am quoting it wrong |
| 03:18.31 | Seb | encompass: paste your script on some pastebin |
| 03:18.40 | treyh0 | so just the other day i found out how to be able to run perl scripts on my webserver, and i also set up https:// that everyone's been asking about |
| 03:18.41 | encompass | ok... let me do that |
| 03:18.44 | Seb | encompass: the part that fucks up, that is |
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| 03:20.26 | mackid | cheal: i have used debian quite a bit, I just forgot that command |
| 03:20.32 | encompass | Seb I am in flood |
| 03:20.54 | Seb | dpkg, tell encompass about paster |
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| 03:21.04 | grumbel | does anybody know a linux tool to reorganize a fat filesystem (ie. sort the filenames by name, usefull for embedded devices which don't sort filenames on their own)? |
| 03:21.08 | khd_ | hi |
| 03:21.19 | beoba | so, who likes cannibalism? |
| 03:21.42 | Seb | grumbel: i'm not sure what you mean |
| 03:21.49 | cheal | mackid: heh. hint : you haven't used it enough to want unstable's stability. but well, if you did use it, you'll know how to reinstall |
| 03:22.00 | Nurbs | grumbel: mv? :) |
| 03:22.02 | treyh0 | mackid: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:22.05 | treyh0 | or xserver-xorg |
| 03:22.10 | mackid | treyh0, yeah, got it, thanks :) |
| 03:22.14 | fbi | wtf. |
| 03:22.15 | diomedes | Hi there, does anybody installed debian on a VIA 6420 RAID drive? |
| 03:22.18 | Nurbs | grumbel: tell me if you find anything more reasonable ;) |
| 03:22.18 | Seb | treyh0: just refer to the factoid man :) |
| 03:22.18 | treyh0 | im slow |
| 03:22.31 | fbi | i just accidentally typed http://packages.debain.org and some german page came up |
| 03:22.39 | grumbel | Nurbs: I know a windows tool that does it |
| 03:22.51 | treyh0 | Seb: oh cool i see |
| 03:22.51 | grumbel | Nurbs: might be possible to use under wine, havn't tested however |
| 03:22.59 | mackid | cheal: i'm using unstable because I like having the newest software, and as I believe you mentioned, debian unstable is a whole lot more stable, then, if I may, a final release version of a Microsoft OS ;) |
| 03:23.11 | Nurbs | grumbel: where is it? :) |
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| 03:23.22 | Seb | grumbel: under wine ? |
| 03:23.31 | cheal | mackid: I don't think so. |
| 03:23.34 | grumbel | Nurbs: give me a few sec, need to lookup the name |
| 03:23.42 | Seb | grumbel: if you're on windows, why not use cygwin if you're looking for basic file manipulation tools ? |
| 03:23.44 | mackid | cheal: okay, maybe I'm going a little too far. *shrug* |
| 03:23.52 | mackid | anyway, I have to restart X |
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| 03:24.10 | grumbel | Seb: mp3 players and similar devices sometimes don't support sorting by filename, so they display everything in a mostly random order |
| 03:24.13 | khd_ | im trying to get workin xorg 6.8.2 + fglrx 8.18.6, i have hardware acceleration on root, but i havent on users. I set mode 0666 on xorg.conf, and i havent got any EE on Xorg.log, any clue plz? |
| 03:24.14 | Nurbs | grumbel: I'm mostly mkfs'ing my MP3 stick and copy all files over in the order that I want... |
| 03:24.29 | Nurbs | grumbel: that does of course suck, especially because it's USB 1.1 |
| 03:24.31 | grumbel | Seb: for windows there is a tool that can take a fat filesystem and reorder the file entries |
| 03:24.48 | grumbel | Nurbs: http://hem.passagen.se/chsw/FATSort.html |
| 03:24.48 | Seb | grumbel: ah ok, I dunno then :) |
| 03:24.56 | encompass | Seb are you in flood now I will send the paste when you are ready |
| 03:25.23 | Seb | encompass: use http://channels.debian.net/paste please |
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| 03:26.21 | Garda | solid mechanics is the work of the devil |
| 03:26.41 | Seb | khd_: try #xorg I guess |
| 03:26.48 | khd_ | ok, thank you |
| 03:26.52 | encompass | ok seb |
| 03:27.21 | Seb | khd_: if it's the right channel name, I ain't sure... |
| 03:27.24 | Garda | i know it's not debian related, but i just hate solid mechanics |
| 03:27.26 | some_dude | anyone very play with xen ? |
| 03:27.29 | some_dude | it's pretty nice |
| 03:27.45 | Seb | !comfort Garda |
| 03:27.47 | dpkg | There, there, Garda. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 03:27.48 | khd_ | ok, i'll try |
| 03:28.11 | Nurbs | grumbel: thanks |
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| 03:28.19 | Garda | i think i failed my exam |
| 03:28.50 | Garda | i guess i can leave uni and become a garbage cleaner or something |
| 03:28.54 | Seb | Garda: hehe, cylinders rolling down inclined planes, and all that ? |
| 03:28.58 | Cone | my plan |
| 03:29.01 | fbi | what's a garbage cleaner. |
| 03:29.05 | Cone | is to become a dumpster enthusiast |
| 03:29.26 | Seb | fbi: combination of garbage man and cleaner. Worst job ever. |
| 03:29.31 | fbi | haha. |
| 03:29.33 | Garda | nah, that statics, last semester. solids is internal loadings and torsion and crap like that |
| 03:29.46 | Garda | just not cut out for engineering |
| 03:29.53 | Seb | Garda: ah yeah *that* cuks |
| 03:29.56 | Seb | sucks |
| 03:29.58 | sgeigerbot | !windows is also what a garbage cleaner works on |
| 03:29.59 | dpkg | This is #Debian, is also what a garbage cleaner works on, not #bungholes! |
| 03:30.28 | Seb | ok, that was weird |
| 03:30.52 | fbi | dpkg is developing a mind of it's own. |
| 03:31.12 | Seb | combined with sgeigerbot's mind, it's gonna be lethal |
| 03:31.24 | encompass | seb... THE PASTE IS AWAY |
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| 03:31.46 | Seb | encompass: good, now you can safely paste the URL in here so I can go look |
| 03:31.55 | encompass | oh ok |
| 03:31.59 | Seb | :) |
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| 03:32.11 | |XO2| | quota is built into the kernel right? |
| 03:32.15 | |XO2| | how do i check? |
| 03:32.24 | xixor | go sox. |
| 03:32.30 | Seb | hell yeah |
| 03:32.30 | encompass | PASTE/988 |
| 03:32.53 | Garda | dpkg: r u a bot |
| 03:33.02 | Seb | encompass: man can you paste me a full url ? |
| 03:33.08 | encompass | umm ok |
| 03:33.15 | encompass | I am in console it is tough this way |
| 03:33.28 | Cone | heh |
| 03:33.29 | Seb | |XO2|: you running a debian precompiled image ? |
| 03:33.36 | Seb | encompass: use screen, heh |
| 03:33.40 | encompass | www.channels.debian.net/paste/988 |
| 03:33.41 | sgeigerbot | Seb, clarification required: was that a compliment? |
| 03:33.48 | Seb | sgeigerbot: you know it was |
| 03:33.52 | sgeigerbot | :-) |
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| 03:34.00 | encompass | sigh, I know |
| 03:34.04 | |XO2| | Seb yea 2.4.* and 2.6* |
| 03:34.14 | sgeigerbot | Seb, Sorry. I need to fish for these because I don't get enough positive feedback in my life. |
| 03:34.14 | Seb | |XO2|: then it's in |
| 03:34.20 | |XO2| | cool thanks :) |
| 03:34.20 | Seb | sgeigerbot: heh |
| 03:34.36 | encompass | sgeigerbot dpkg thinks your hot |
| 03:34.40 | sgeigerbot | Seb, It seems akin to looking for sex online, doesn't it? |
| 03:34.45 | sgeigerbot | encompass, thanks! |
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| 03:35.06 | Seb | encompass: well there was no www but i managed to make sense of it :> |
| 03:35.19 | encompass | sigh... sorry |
| 03:35.27 | wazzles | i am having a rather simple problem mounting a cdrom, the device is the primary master but i dont see /dev/cdrom or /dev/hda, any thoughts? |
| 03:35.28 | Seb | encompass: well yeah, each case section is to be close with ;; |
| 03:35.31 | Seb | encompass: help case |
| 03:35.40 | Seb | wazzles: dmesg | grep hd |
| 03:35.49 | Seb | encompass: s/close/closed/ |
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| 03:36.08 | wazzles | seb: it shows 2 devices, sda, sdb, both of my sata drives |
| 03:36.24 | encompass | seb I have answers too you know... I thought I could answer that one but seb and a blistering 100 wpm beats me to the punch |
| 03:36.26 | Seb | wazzles: are you using a custom kernel ? |
| 03:36.31 | wazzles | yes |
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| 03:36.41 | wazzles | i got a new 2.6 kernel from apt |
| 03:36.43 | some_dude | can i load a .sh file as my shell ? |
| 03:36.47 | Seb | wazzles: so it's not custom |
| 03:36.52 | Seb | some_dude: source file.sh |
| 03:36.54 | encompass | some_dude yes |
| 03:37.00 | Seb | encompass: good try ;) |
| 03:37.12 | encompass | dangit! |
| 03:37.15 | Seb | wazzles: uname -a |
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| 03:37.32 | wazzles | Linux fdt57 2.6.8-2-686-smp #1 SMP Thu May 19 17:27:55 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 03:37.53 | Seb | encompass: so, put those ;; where they need, close the " after "$CHOICE, and use exit instead of quit |
| 03:38.04 | Seb | wazzles: and it doesn't see any ide controller ? |
| 03:38.21 | Seb | wazzles: dmesg | grep -i ide |
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| 03:38.45 | encompass | quit is a module I made teheh |
| 03:38.48 | Jeaton | how's Debian GNU/Hurd? |
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| 03:38.56 | Guerin | Jeaton: #hurd |
| 03:38.57 | Seb | encompass: quit() { exit; } ? :D |
| 03:38.58 | encompass | ;;? |
| 03:39.05 | Seb | encompass: help read |
| 03:39.05 | Guerin | Jeaton: still very experimental |
| 03:39.05 | acid-trip | FrdFlint, sup |
| 03:39.06 | wazzles | Seb: what keywords am I looking for from that command? |
| 03:39.10 | Seb | encompass: hrm, help case, I mean |
| 03:39.11 | Garda | Jeaton: crap |
| 03:39.12 | encompass | no... it has an ending statement |
| 03:39.20 | encompass | and cleans up its meass |
| 03:39.22 | encompass | mess |
| 03:39.22 | Seb | wazzles: well does it return any line ? |
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| 03:39.26 | wazzles | yes |
| 03:39.26 | Garda | i tried it once, and that about sums it up |
| 03:39.31 | Seb | encompass: i was just kidding |
| 03:39.31 | amphi | Jeaton: #hug |
| 03:39.33 | some_dude | it tells me no shell |
| 03:39.35 | encompass | haha |
| 03:39.36 | wazzles | can i copy and paste and send it to you? |
| 03:39.38 | encompass | ok |
| 03:39.39 | jvives | hey guys! how can I know where is mi pendrive in the /dev directory? |
| 03:39.39 | Guerin | Garda: it's not anything like feature-complete |
| 03:39.49 | abrotman | jvives: dmesg |
| 03:39.53 | Seb | jvives: tail -30 /var/log/syslog |
| 03:40.01 | Guerin | Garda: nor is it intended for use by anyone, for anything, except developing it further |
| 03:40.10 | wazzles | seb: can i msg you with the text of that command? |
| 03:40.19 | Seb | wazzles: well no |
| 03:40.26 | Seb | wazzles: so it did find an IDE controller ? |
| 03:40.28 | jvives | I did dmesg | tail but didn't know what to look for |
| 03:40.31 | Cone | anyone ever run into an error message during bootup similar to this? vesafb: probe of vesafb0 failed with error -6 |
| 03:40.35 | Seb | wazzles: it should say so pretty explicitely |
| 03:40.42 | Seb | jvives: | grep /dev |
| 03:40.47 | wazzles | seb: yes it found ide0 and ide1 |
| 03:40.59 | Seb | wazzles: ok, but still dmesg | grep hd is empty ? |
| 03:41.24 | jvives | Seb: I get: /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0 .... |
| 03:41.36 | wazzles | seb: yes, it only lists 2 lines, one about sda, and one about sdb |
| 03:41.39 | jvives | where is that, I mean, is that /dev/sda ? |
| 03:41.45 | Garda | Guerin: which is why it's so crap |
| 03:41.50 | Seb | wazzles: how can grep hd return lines with sd ? |
| 03:41.56 | Seb | jvives: it should be |
| 03:42.02 | Seb | jvives: are you using devfs ? |
| 03:42.12 | jvives | dunno |
| 03:42.16 | Garda | ok. i know it's not quite right to compare it to linux for stability or anything like that |
| 03:42.22 | Guerin | Garda: "This knife is so blunt!" "That's not a knife, that's an unsharpened piece of steel." |
| 03:42.23 | wazzles | seb: I am not sure but that is the info it gives me from that command |
| 03:42.26 | amphi | Garda: it's quite senseless |
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| 03:42.46 | some_dude | there is no man page for source |
| 03:42.51 | Seb | wazzles: thne i' dsay your bios doesn't see the drive iether |
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| 03:43.09 | Guerin | some_dude: help source |
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| 03:43.16 | wazzles | i went into the bios page it says "primary master plextor blah blah" |
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| 03:43.30 | Garda | but it uses a microkernel and had problems from it's inception, and something like 10 years later it's still not ready |
| 03:43.50 | wazzles | seb: i just made the switch from fc3 and the cdrom worked in there fine |
| 03:44.00 | Garda | the gnu boys just want another kernel because linux took all of their glory |
| 03:44.11 | wazzles | im gonna boot into the default kernel i got with sarge |
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| 03:44.20 | wazzles | and see what i can see |
| 03:44.22 | Guerin | Garda: they're actually just completing the project they were always intending on completing. |
| 03:44.24 | Garda | linux was the small kernel that took on the name of the entire os that gnu comprised most of |
| 03:44.32 | wazzles | be back in a sec |
| 03:44.37 | Garda | the project is complete |
| 03:44.39 | Guerin | Garda: and linux is anything BUT a small kernel |
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| 03:44.47 | Guerin | Garda: what project is complete? |
| 03:44.47 | Garda | it's called linux |
| 03:44.53 | abrotman | haha |
| 03:44.54 | Guerin | Garda: wtf |
| 03:44.57 | jvives | How can I know what type of filesystem is on the usb drive?ç |
| 03:44.59 | Seb | heheh |
| 03:44.59 | Guerin | what a fool |
| 03:45.05 | beoba | Garda: that's very pompous of you |
| 03:45.07 | some_dude | do i set my shell as /bin/source /bin/loadvnc.sh or as /bin/loadvnc ? |
| 03:45.07 | Seb | jvives: cfdisk /dev/sda |
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| 03:45.14 | abrotman | jvives: fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 03:45.17 | litage | which pkg would you recommend for doing some simple snmp stuff (eg: walk across a router and switch)? |
| 03:45.18 | Garda | stallman said that he wanted a free operating system. go to www.debian.org and you can get one |
| 03:45.24 | Seb | some_dude: /path/to/file simply |
| 03:45.29 | Guerin | Garda: debian is not 100% free. |
| 03:45.35 | beoba | Garda: who are you talking to? |
| 03:45.42 | Seb | litage: apt-cache search snmp |
| 03:45.43 | Guerin | Garda: hence stallman's reluctance to recommend it. |
| 03:45.51 | Seb | heh |
| 03:45.54 | beardy | Garda: Debian isn't considered free, you'd know that if you knew what you were talking about. |
| 03:45.57 | some_dude | Seb i must have a typo |
| 03:46.06 | Seb | some_dude: most likely yeah |
| 03:46.17 | jvives | Seb: it is fat16, I tried vfat for the mounting and I get an error |
| 03:46.33 | Guerin | Garda: so in summation, you should grep yourself a clue or three before you sound off - it makes you sound less like a twat. |
| 03:46.47 | Seb | jvives: mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 ... ? |
| 03:46.48 | litage | Seb: i tried installing the snmp package, but it complains: snmp: Depends: libsnmp9 (>= 5.2.1.2-3) but it is not going to be installed |
| 03:46.59 | Seb | litage: you're using sid ? |
| 03:47.14 | abrotman | whta! .. never! |
| 03:47.16 | litage | Seb: i'm using unstable |
| 03:47.17 | helix | what package is growisofs in? |
| 03:47.30 | grumbel | Nurbs: http://developer.berlios.de/projects/fatsort/ |
| 03:47.31 | Guerin | !tell helix about search |
| 03:47.31 | Seb | litage: then fix the damn dependency. In this case simply apt-get install libsnmp9 should do |
| 03:47.34 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:47.40 | helix | Guerin: thanks, I know how to search -- I can't find it |
| 03:47.42 | MikeFair | What apps are good for making ISOs out of DVDs? |
| 03:47.44 | Seb | grumbel: apt-get install apt-file |
| 03:47.45 | helix | this is on amd64 |
| 03:47.46 | stew | helix: dvd+rw-tools |
| 03:47.50 | Seb | grumbel: or... |
| 03:47.53 | Guerin | helix: i figured as much ;) |
| 03:47.57 | encompass | helix apt-cache search foo |
| 03:47.57 | stew | or something like that |
| 03:47.59 | Seb | dpkg, find growisofs |
| 03:48.00 | helix | Guerin: then don't be rude |
| 03:48.02 | litage | Seb: when i try to install libsnmp9, it whines too: libsnmp9: Depends: libsensors3 (>= 1:2.9.2) but 1:2.9.1-1sarge2 is to be installed |
| 03:48.02 | jvives | Seb: but doing cfdisk on sda works... why should I try sda1, sda2, etc... (Trying to learn instead of coming back some day with the same questions) |
| 03:48.08 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'growisofs' (2): (/usr/bin/growisofs) in utils/dvd+rw-tools ;; (/usr/include/kde/k3bgrowisofswriter.h) in libdevel/k3blibs-dev. |
| 03:48.11 | Guerin | helix: oh, give over, I wasn't serious. |
| 03:48.17 | helix | encompass: yes... thanks, I do know how to do that. it's not showing up |
| 03:48.23 | abrotman | helix: pure64 ? |
| 03:48.26 | helix | stew: thanks |
| 03:48.27 | helix | abrotman: yeah |
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| 03:48.31 | MikeFair | I've seen apps that rip the video out of a DVD, but I'm looking to loopback mount the ISO image and point a DVD player at it |
| 03:48.35 | Seb | litage: you're using sid, *fix* the dependency problems yourself. BTS, etc... |
| 03:48.37 | Garda | what i mean is that spending any time on the HURD isn't going to help you get any closer to a free operating system. we already have linux |
| 03:48.45 | helix | stew: hm apparently that is not in sid, I don't think |
| 03:48.48 | wazzles | seb: i am in the stock sarge kernel now, and i have way more entries in dev |
| 03:48.58 | stew | helix: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/dvd+rw-tools |
| 03:49.00 | abrotman | helix: dvd+rw-tools: usr/bin/growisofs |
| 03:49.02 | beardy | Garda: linux is a kernel, get a clue as suggested. |
| 03:49.09 | Guerin | Garda: options are good. |
| 03:49.14 | litage | Seb: BTS? |
| 03:49.15 | helix | stew: sorry, I mean for amd64 |
| 03:49.23 | abrotman | helix: that was from a pure64 box |
| 03:49.25 | stew | helix: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=amd64&file=pool%2Fmain%2Fd%2Fdvd%2Brw-tools%2Fdvd%2Brw-tools_5.21.4.10.8-2_amd64.deb&md5sum=a6ef8123f36d3cbabe00d1c975278305&arch=amd64&type=main |
| 03:49.28 | Seb | !btssmite litage |
| 03:49.28 | amphi | Garda: the hurd's design is very different from linux |
| 03:49.29 | MikeFair | Garda: That sounds like "Spending time on both GNOME and KDE isn't going to get us any closer to a free operating system" argument |
| 03:49.30 | Guerin | Garda: apart from anything, the idea was for GNU to be the OS. |
| 03:49.39 | abrotman | helix: pure64 running sarge |
| 03:49.44 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: if people want to spend time working on something, that's their business, not yours. |
| 03:49.46 | helix | stew: strange.. it's not showing up with a search on my machine |
| 03:49.52 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: right. |
| 03:49.53 | dondelelcaro | s/Guerin/Garda/ |
| 03:50.05 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: sorry, renegade tab-complete there. ;-) |
| 03:50.08 | FrdFlint | hello there acid-trip did you get samba working? |
| 03:50.11 | litage | hah, thanks Seb |
| 03:50.18 | abrotman | helix: dvd+rw-tools isn't available for you ? |
| 03:50.25 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: i'm very familiar with it. |
| 03:50.34 | dondelelcaro | Garda: if you want them to work on something else, feel free to pay them to do so |
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| 03:50.45 | helix | abrotman: it appears to just not be on my mirror -- mine isn't listed on the page stew just linked to |
| 03:50.48 | helix | stew: thanks a lot |
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| 03:50.59 | abrotman | helix: ok ... you got it though ? |
| 03:51.00 | stew | helix: you're welcome |
| 03:51.08 | helix | abrotman: yessir |
| 03:51.10 | Nurbs | grumbel: nice! without checking I guess one can adapt that easily to sort in arbitrary order, if it doesn't already support that. |
| 03:51.13 | abrotman | ok .. everyone back to sleep! |
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| 03:51.29 | jvives | Seb: but doing cfdisk on sda works... why should I try sda1, sda2, etc... (Trying to learn instead of coming back some day with the same questions) |
| 03:51.40 | beardy | abrotman: goodnight |
| 03:51.44 | abrotman | bottom of the ninth .. ChiSox up 1-0 .. if they win .. they win the series! |
| 03:51.49 | abrotman | beardy: aw hell no .. 3 more outs! |
| 03:51.55 | Seb | jvives: in cfdisk, partitions are listed by theyr nmae,s sda1, etc... sda is just the whole disk |
| 03:52.02 | abrotman | it will be thier first win .. since like 1916 or something |
| 03:52.05 | dondelelcaro | jvives: unless something is set up really strangely, you should almost always be using sda to edit your partition table. |
| 03:52.08 | abrotman | err 1917 |
| 03:52.09 | beardy | abrotman: (early morning here though, I've just eaten breakfast) |
| 03:52.13 | wazzles | seb: also of note when im in the stock sarge kernel my sdb drive is called "hdd" but in the 2.6 kernel it is sdb |
| 03:52.14 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: YOU SUCK! |
| 03:52.22 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: oh .. it's almost over :) |
| 03:52.27 | Guerin | Baseball v Simpsons! |
| 03:52.31 | Guerin | take your sides! |
| 03:52.31 | helix | stupid k3b |
| 03:52.37 | Garda | what is wrong with you guys. i'm not trying to say don't spend time on something unless it's completely imperative. Doing just that has always been part of the hacker culture. But GNU was always about making a free os. and we have one now. just because it's not called GNU by everyone isn't important. Stallman himself says it doesn't matter what you call software as long as you can use it freely |
| 03:52.38 | Seb | wazzles: yeah sata changed in between |
| 03:52.44 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: you come to philly .. you'll get warmdaddys as a thanks for not blowing up MLB :) |
| 03:52.55 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: YAY! |
| 03:52.55 | abrotman | it is attached to kde :) |
| 03:52.56 | Seb | wazzles: so, no CD drive with 2.4 either ? |
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| 03:53.00 | wazzles | seb: that is kinda shitty cuz that means my fstab needs to be changed depending on what kernel i use |
| 03:53.01 | dondelelcaro | Garda: so what exactly is your point? |
| 03:53.09 | wazzles | seb: hold a sec, i bet i will get it work |
| 03:53.09 | Guerin | Garda: no, he explicitly says that naming IS important. |
| 03:53.22 | jvives | Seb: you were right on sda1, but what filesystem should I use? /dev/sda1 * 1 962 246264 e W95 FAT16 (LBA) |
| 03:53.27 | stew | Garda: stallman's probem with debian is not that it isn't free software, its that debian also provides non-free repositories as well |
| 03:53.30 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: Heh. |
| 03:53.30 | beardy | Garda: What is your point, just use it and be happy, or be miserable, just let it do what you want. In here we don't need to be preached to. |
| 03:53.35 | Seb | jvives: vfat doesn't work ? |
| 03:53.35 | abrotman | jvives: vfat should work |
| 03:53.36 | helix | stupid k3b |
| 03:53.39 | abrotman | it is attached to kde :) |
| 03:53.43 | jvives | Seb: nope |
| 03:53.48 | helix | k3b rocks though |
| 03:53.51 | beoba | dondelelcaro: i think the point is "i like hearing my own e-voice" |
| 03:53.55 | scarynetworkguy | helix: MLB? |
| 03:53.56 | Seb | jvives: then format it to vfat :) |
| 03:54.04 | abrotman | helix: i can't do it .. it requires kde stuffs |
| 03:54.07 | helix | but it's saying it can't growisofs even though it's quite obviously there |
| 03:54.10 | helix | scarynetworkguy: excuse me? |
| 03:54.24 | beoba | scarynetworkguy: he shoots HE SCORES! |
| 03:54.24 | Guerin | Garda: and you still haven't explained why options aren't valuable, or why completing a GNU kernel isn't what the GNU foundation should do, or why developing a microkernel as well as a monokernel is a waste of resources. |
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| 03:55.05 | Garda | i give up. sorry for even starting all this |
| 03:55.15 | helix | true hackers don't give up, Garda |
| 03:55.15 | abrotman | !beer Garda and Guerin |
| 03:55.20 | abrotman | and yes .. you each get one |
| 03:55.24 | helix | they have to be forcefully banned and removed |
| 03:55.42 | scarynetworkguy | helix: :/ |
| 03:55.45 | stew | #troll helix |
| 03:55.50 | MikeFair | Garda: If I have my history right, HURD predates Linux, Stallman thinks a microkernel is better - so he's building one |
| 03:55.52 | abrotman | does this mean mwilson can't come back ? :) |
| 03:55.54 | beardy | Garda: Thankyou. Perhaps you could sit down and write down your thoughts in a longer article and publish somewhere, if you feel that is what you want. |
| 03:56.01 | helix | abrotman: right, he is permabanned |
| 03:56.07 | abrotman | is fieldy too ? |
| 03:56.10 | Seb | nah, no way ? |
| 03:56.17 | helix | dunno, has fieldy been around? |
| 03:56.28 | Seb | mwilson is not banned, is he ? 8) |
| 03:56.30 | jvives | Seb: formated it using cfdisk, but still can't mount it using vfat.... :'( |
| 03:56.34 | helix | Seb: yes |
| 03:56.40 | Seb | jvives: that's not formatting |
| 03:56.42 | stew | !be mwilson barbie |
| 03:56.43 | dpkg | What in the world does that have to do with barbie? Other than nothing, of course. |
| 03:56.45 | abrotman | helix: i saw fieldy one day in #freenode .. that was it .. sometime around the days when lilo was getting DDoSed |
| 03:56.54 | Seb | jvives: use mkfs.vfat on /dev/sda1 |
| 03:56.56 | Seb | stew: I *love* this one |
| 03:57.03 | beardy | When did mwilson get banned? He was here not too long ago? |
| 03:57.04 | helix | oh, #freenode is where all of the #debian flunkies go to whine about their unfair treatment |
| 03:57.04 | Seb | helix: may I ask why, in a nutshell ? |
| 03:57.11 | stew | Seb: yeah i think that is one of the funniest factiods i've seen in a while |
| 03:57.16 | helix | Seb: constant abuse and too many warnings |
| 03:57.17 | abrotman | beardy: a week ago or so |
| 03:57.17 | Seb | stew: :D |
| 03:57.22 | Seb | helix: woooow |
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| 03:57.26 | Garda | all this just because i wanted to complain somewhere about failing my exam |
| 03:57.29 | Seb | i mean, that made my day, don't get me wrong |
| 03:57.35 | jvives | Seb: thx a lot...!!! |
| 03:57.37 | Seb | but I didn't think this was gonna happen |
| 03:57.39 | Seb | jvives: sure |
| 03:58.01 | beardy | abrotman: Any reason, I mean, more than being himself, he is rather special.. |
| 03:58.05 | simy_ | Is there a way to change the terminal login ? where it says Debian GNU/Linux testing/unstable lptp tty1 |
| 03:58.06 | helix | Seb: yeah, it took longer than it should have, but anyway :) |
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| 03:58.18 | abrotman | beardy: see helix's comment to seb |
| 03:58.20 | Seb | helix: heh |
| 03:58.36 | Seb | same for fieldysnut ? |
| 03:58.45 | beardy | abrotman: Oh, ok. |
| 03:58.48 | abrotman | one more out! |
| 03:58.51 | helix | Seb: I assume so |
| 03:58.56 | stew | abrotman: shhh, i'm behind |
| 03:58.57 | Seb | k |
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| 03:59.06 | Seb | man wmsilon must be so, so sad |
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| 03:59.11 | Seb | who's he gonna prey one now ? |
| 03:59.13 | Adrian | simy_: /etc/motd |
| 03:59.15 | Seb | /sone/on/ |
| 03:59.18 | abrotman | helix: really .. fieldy is permabanned too ? |
| 03:59.18 | Seb | s/one/on/ |
| 03:59.35 | Seb | 1 ball, 1 strike |
| 03:59.37 | simy_ | Adrian not that message, the one before you login.... |
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| 03:59.45 | khd_ | hi |
| 04:00.11 | simy_ | Adrian i know its in /etc (i didnt cat /etc* | grep Debian and it showd up (just trying to find which file tho...) |
| 04:00.20 | cheal | simy_: /etc/issue |
| 04:00.25 | helix | abrotman: I think so |
| 04:00.26 | Seb | simy_: grep Debian /etc/* |
| 04:00.37 | simy_ | cheal Thanks.... |
| 04:00.41 | abrotman | helix: :( .. i miss fieldy .. was funny sometimes :) |
| 04:00.50 | Seb | simy_: not only was that a useless use of cat, it also undermined you :> |
| 04:00.51 | abrotman | but .. that's not my call .. so it goes |
| 04:00.54 | helix | you can hang out with him in #freenode :) |
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| 04:01.05 | Seb | so, who else got permabanned ? |
| 04:01.10 | simy_ | Seb: well, im good at doing things like that:) |
| 04:01.10 | Seb | let's get this over with :) |
| 04:01.12 | helix | just those two so far |
| 04:01.13 | abrotman | helix: she's not there all the time .. only once i've seen her there in a long time |
| 04:01.23 | helix | you say that like he's actually female |
| 04:01.29 | Seb | this is it |
| 04:01.31 | abrotman | helix: fieldy is |
| 04:01.33 | Seb | world series are over |
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| 04:01.36 | simy_ | Seb: its worth noting i have to change it because my dad freaked out when he say my laptop had " |
| 04:01.38 | helix | I don't think that's true |
| 04:01.44 | helix | the world series is happening? |
| 04:01.47 | spdf | Woooo.. That was a close call |
| 04:01.47 | beardy | abrotman: really? |
| 04:01.51 | simy_ | "unstable" in it, so, ofcourse i got worried because he said it was an error :() |
| 04:01.53 | abrotman | helix: uhm .. yes .. it is true .. fieldy is a she |
| 04:01.53 | simy_ | :( |
| 04:01.56 | leoboiko | even though I set dc_hide_mailname to false, exim4 is still rewriting my visible mail domain :( |
| 04:02.01 | helix | abrotman: I don't believe it |
| 04:02.05 | helix | sorry :) |
| 04:02.07 | Seb | helix: *was* happening |
| 04:02.10 | abrotman | helix: ok .. well ... no way to tell for sure now |
| 04:02.13 | helix | oh, it's over? |
| 04:02.16 | abrotman | helix: over .. ChiSox won |
| 04:02.26 | helix | who? |
| 04:02.28 | Seb | Guerin: solid mechanics |
| 04:02.33 | Guerin | Seb: oh. |
| 04:02.36 | abrotman | chicago white sox |
| 04:02.37 | helix | chicago ___ sox |
| 04:02.38 | helix | oh |
| 04:02.39 | helix | ok |
| 04:02.40 | spdf | World Series of Baseball is over. Now comes the World Series of Drinking. It lasts a couple of days, and nobody really wins... |
| 04:02.42 | Seb | heh |
| 04:02.55 | helix | who were they playing? |
| 04:03.01 | abrotman | houston astros |
| 04:03.02 | Seb | helix: were playing houston |
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| 04:03.15 | helix | the astros used to have the coolest uniforms in the 80s |
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| 04:03.22 | abrotman | in the 80s? |
| 04:03.28 | helix | maybe they still have them |
| 04:03.31 | abrotman | no .. they don't |
| 04:03.37 | Seb | heheheh, girls and baseball :) |
| 04:03.38 | abrotman | but i know which you mean .. they were ... so 80s :) |
| 04:03.49 | helix | http://www.otpro.com/Houston%20Astros%201980%20HomeRYAN34.jpg <-word |
| 04:04.03 | abrotman | yes .. those .. |
| 04:04.05 | wazzles | seb: what was the command to list hardrives? |
| 04:04.14 | Seb | wazzles: dpmesg | grep hd for IDE ones |
| 04:04.16 | Seb | dmesg |
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| 04:04.25 | helix | or fdisk -l will list your partitions |
| 04:04.25 | Guerin | man |
| 04:04.32 | Guerin | they sure are disco |
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| 04:04.40 | helix | Guerin: aren't they awesome? |
| 04:04.41 | Guerin | all they need is some day-glo |
| 04:04.51 | helix | crap I need to go to bed too |
| 04:04.51 | beardy | abrotman: night |
| 04:04.53 | wazzles | seb: now it lists a bunch of error messages |
| 04:04.54 | vortek | whats the meta package for openoffice |
| 04:04.54 | vortek | ? |
| 04:04.54 | Guerin | helix: i suppose it depends what you value in a sports uniform |
| 04:04.56 | Seb | some people in the stadium still have those though :) |
| 04:05.07 | wazzles | seb: hda: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 04:05.08 | Guerin | but i could see people wearing them to retro parties and so on |
| 04:05.14 | wazzles | seb: im gonna google this shit |
| 04:05.15 | Guerin | vortek: openoffice.org |
| 04:05.18 | Seb | wazzles: so you have hda, but it has problems |
| 04:05.18 | vortek | thanxs |
| 04:05.22 | tictac | wazzles: bad drive? |
| 04:05.30 | helix | Guerin: I value kitsch |
| 04:05.34 | stew | Guerin: dude thats some serious throwback shit word |
| 04:05.49 | Guerin | helix: i noticed. |
| 04:05.59 | wazzles | well the drive worked in fedora yesterday, i dont think anything has happned to it since |
| 04:06.02 | tictac | well, my dvd burner gets SeekComplete Errors all the time when burning cds, however it's never amounted to anything |
| 04:06.02 | helix | it reminds me of my childhood, like strawberry shortcake and tony hawk :) |
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| 04:06.11 | Seb | wazzles: it might be working even with htos error msgs. |
| 04:06.11 | wazzles | i successfully installed debian from the drive |
| 04:06.16 | Seb | wazzles: still, it has issues |
| 04:06.20 | Guerin | helix: my little pony? |
| 04:06.23 | helix | wazzles: sometimes you'll get those if you kick the box and such |
| 04:06.24 | Seb | wazzles: and it prolly showed up in the fedora logs too |
| 04:06.27 | helix | Guerin: rainbow brite |
| 04:06.28 | wazzles | google has lots of shit, im gonna do some reading |
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| 04:06.41 | tictac | my drive has been like that since i purchased it. |
| 04:06.42 | wazzles | http://gnowledge.org/pipermail/linuxers/Week-of-Mon-20040614/015156.html |
| 04:06.42 | helix | wazzles: IME a fsck will usually fix it |
| 04:06.52 | Guerin | helix: heh |
| 04:06.57 | wazzles | fsck a cd-rom, can you do that? |
| 04:06.58 | Seb | helix: i've never had fack fix that |
| 04:07.04 | helix | oh a cdrom :) |
| 04:07.07 | Seb | helix: this is more a low-level ide problem I think |
| 04:07.08 | tictac | helix: that sounds like an optical drive. |
| 04:07.22 | helix | Seb: I've knocked a computer over, gotten those errors, fscked it on reboot and they went away |
| 04:07.30 | Seb | helix: interesting |
| 04:07.34 | litage | when i run ``snmpwalk -Cp -Ct -c public -v 1 10.0.5.100'' netstat says snmpwalk is looking at 0.0.0.0 rather than 10.0.5.100. what am i doing wrong? |
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| 04:07.34 | tictac | helix: you cant fsck an optical drive :P |
| 04:07.37 | helix | but this is for an actual harddrive |
| 04:07.41 | Seb | helix: each time i got that, the HD eventually died... |
| 04:07.46 | helix | tictac: yes, I noticed that above :) |
| 04:07.58 | Seb | litage: man snmpwalk, or this neat SNMP howto |
| 04:08.29 | tictac | game still scoreless? (go sox) |
| 04:08.31 | helix | stew: that is prime material for walkign around in williamsburg |
| 04:08.31 | beardy | I have a drive that does that, it's very old, and by talking nice to it usually runs fine again after a hard reboot. |
| 04:08.39 | litage | Seb: i've read through the manpage which unfortunately isn't very helpful. several options that snmpwalk accepts aren't listed in the manpage |
| 04:08.44 | helix | if it's like, tight |
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| 04:09.06 | Seb | litage: snmpwalk -h then |
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| 04:09.13 | stew | helix: nah williamsburg is still bowling shirt and trucker hat territory, the throwbacks are more ft. greene and bedsty |
| 04:09.15 | Seb | litage: and make sure oyu file a bug about this incomplete manpage in the BTS |
| 04:09.22 | helix | stew: they can't still be wearing that |
| 04:09.23 | litage | Seb: k |
| 04:09.32 | helix | man all that work to get k3b working and now i no longer feel like burning a cd |
| 04:09.51 | cheal | hehe |
| 04:09.56 | stew | helix: when is the next helixcon in nyc, anyway? |
| 04:10.04 | helix | stew: I am relocating it this year |
| 04:10.10 | Seb | helix: *your* music ? :) |
| 04:10.10 | stew | helix: to here? |
| 04:10.17 | helix | stew: no, it will not be in nyc |
| 04:10.22 | helix | er, I mean next year :) |
| 04:10.42 | stew | oh i read that as "i am reloacating this year" |
| 04:10.47 | helix | ah, no |
| 04:11.05 | helix | I was originally going to hold it in london, but that is proving unlikely, so potentially boston or some such |
| 04:11.08 | helix | not sure yet |
| 04:11.22 | some_dude | ok |
| 04:11.30 | some_dude | I've been bitching about this program for a bit |
| 04:11.31 | stew | helix: they aren't going to appriciate your astros jersey as much in london you know |
| 04:11.38 | some_dude | about how slow it is |
| 04:11.40 | some_dude | it's now slow |
| 04:11.42 | helix | stew: they might appreciate my tan |
| 04:11.51 | some_dude | the splash screen covers the main window |
| 04:12.04 | beardy | !tell some_dude -about enter |
| 04:12.06 | Seb | 5 lines, and we still don't know *what* program |
| 04:12.30 | helix | stew: I have been going to nyc for the past 5-6 years and I think all it is now for me is a container for memories. some of them quite painful |
| 04:12.36 | helix | so I'll have to break the trend |
| 04:12.55 | stew | that's good enough reason for me |
| 04:13.01 | helix | some_dude: tell us more |
| 04:13.01 | stew | as if you need to justify it to me :) |
| 04:13.11 | helix | oh, I know, just sayin' :) |
| 04:13.25 | helix | I'm a little sad about it, that's all |
| 04:13.26 | some_dude | I've got this wonderful app, this horrable shit, and it's a java app, and I've been waiting 45 mins for the login screen to pop up, and it's been behind the splash screen |
| 04:13.31 | Seb | helix: if you don't specify "more substance", you'll just get "more filling" |
| 04:13.40 | helix | some_dude: do you plan to wait that long to tell us what it is? |
| 04:14.06 | some_dude | the program is springchart medical shit or something |
| 04:14.15 | beardy | some_dude: Tell us the name of the program/thing, what it does or does not, error messages? Where and how do you run it etc. |
| 04:14.36 | helix | working on mail clients seems so potentially scary |
| 04:14.43 | Seb | beardy: oh boy. Do you realize how many lines this is gonna be ? |
| 04:14.44 | stew | i don't think he's having an actual software problem right now, i think he's saying he just realized he was having a user problem |
| 04:14.46 | helix | well not mail clients, but mail servers |
| 04:14.47 | some_dude | the program thing is spring charts, the error is im stupid, i run it in .vnc/xstartup |
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| 04:15.06 | beardy | Seb: Well, not much else going on right now is it? :) |
| 04:15.10 | Seb | heh |
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| 04:15.32 | stew | helix: why do mail servers seem so scary? |
| 04:15.37 | vortek | hrm whats the openoffice.org exe ? dpkg -L doesnot show it lol |
| 04:15.52 | Seb | vortek: oo<tab> |
| 04:16.00 | helix | stew: well on one list I'm on they send patches and they're like "see if this blows up your mail" |
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| 04:16.03 | beardy | some_dude: We don't have a solution to you being stupid, other than stop being stupid and learn to do what you want to do ;) |
| 04:16.09 | helix | and I'm like man, I would never test that in a million years |
| 04:16.20 | stew | vortek: dpkg -L openoffice.org-bin |
| 04:16.28 | Abysmal | how do i get apache2 to accept external traffic?? |
| 04:16.45 | helix | Abysmal: what's it saying? (check the logs) |
| 04:16.53 | vortek | word |
| 04:16.54 | piplined | Abysmal: It's configured to listen on all IP addresses by default. |
| 04:16.54 | vortek | thanxs |
| 04:16.57 | stew | helix: hah, yeah that makes sense. |
| 04:16.59 | helix | it should accept it pretty much automatically... |
| 04:17.12 | Abysmal | where are the logs..? |
| 04:17.21 | helix | Abysmal: /var/log/apache2 |
| 04:17.21 | some_dude | the stupid login screen was hiding behind the splash screen all this time,i looked down in the task bar, and noticed it said "server not found" and thought," why would the splash screen say ......... I'm so stupid" |
| 04:17.25 | piplined | Abysmal: /var/log/apache or /var/log/apache2, I can't remember. |
| 04:17.39 | helix | Abysmal: there should be something in there named access.log unless you named it differently |
| 04:17.42 | helix | or error.log |
| 04:17.45 | helix | ditto about the naming |
| 04:19.36 | cheal | is it possible, and if so how can it be done, to run in bash $ command1|command2, but to have both commands' output on stdout, instead of only command2's? |
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| 04:21.02 | beoba | well this is odd |
| 04:21.06 | beoba | the internet is broken yet i'm still on here |
| 04:21.09 | beoba | i can ping within the BU network but google/yahoo dont ping |
| 04:21.27 | cheal | beoba: by IP or hostname? |
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| 04:21.50 | beoba | cheal: it resolves the IP just fine |
| 04:22.01 | beoba | spam: |
| 04:22.01 | beoba | silence:~ nick$ ping yahoo.com |
| 04:22.01 | beoba | PING yahoo.com (216.109.112.135): 56 data bytes |
| 04:22.01 | beoba | ^C |
| 04:22.01 | beoba | --- yahoo.com ping statistics --- |
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| 04:22.10 | beoba | damn that's sensitive |
| 04:22.15 | beoba | well the gist is that it resolves the ip |
| 04:22.26 | spdf | Yeh.. It tends to dislike people who don't follow the rules ;) |
| 04:22.47 | Abysmal | thanks for the help.. it was my bad.. had the damn port mapped wrong.. |
| 04:22.50 | humbolt | how do I extract a deb so I can edit the control.tar.gz and how do I reassamble it? |
| 04:23.05 | cheal | I don't ping that IP from here |
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| 04:23.17 | beardy | humbolt: man dpkg-deb |
| 04:23.23 | Seb | cheal: man tee |
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| 04:23.28 | beoba | PING google.com (216.239.57.99): 56 data bytes |
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| 04:23.35 | Supaplex | google and yahoo are on aklami or whatever anyway |
| 04:23.41 | cheal | beoba: gah, I think we're 2 now :) |
| 04:23.51 | beoba | cheal: you're getting the same? |
| 04:23.57 | wazzles | this cdrom issue is pure bullshiz |
| 04:23.57 | jvives | hey guys!, me again... is there any "knoppix" tool that can safetly resize a NTFS partition? |
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| 04:23.59 | beoba | cheal: THE SYSTEM IS DOWN |
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| 04:24.02 | beoba | cheal: THE SYSTEM IS DOWN |
| 04:24.09 | Seb | jvives: #knoppix |
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| 04:24.35 | Abysmal | hey guys.. I installed swat but get an error trying to hit http://machineip:901 |
| 04:24.50 | Seb | aaah, *an* error |
| 04:24.53 | Seb | we lose those ones |
| 04:24.55 | Seb | *the* errors |
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| 04:25.06 | Seb | s/lose/love/ |
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| 04:25.19 | jvives | Seb: let me reformulate the question... is there any common software/command that can safetly resize a NTFS partition, that *could* be in a knoppix CD? |
| 04:25.21 | Abysmal | fine.. connection refused |
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| 04:25.50 | Seb | jvives: yup, let me reformulate the answer: #knoppix |
| 04:25.51 | liable | jvives: yes, partimage. (make sure you have backups though) |
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| 04:26.12 | jvives | Seb: rofl! |
| 04:26.16 | beardy | jvives: Ask #knoppix. But well, is qtpartimage on it? |
| 04:26.16 | beardy | jvives: qtparted, I mean. |
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| 04:26.26 | Seb | jvives: seriously, i odn't know what's in knoppix or not :) |
| 04:26.39 | liable | ooh, qtparted... not partimage.. wrong part.. :) |
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| 04:26.55 | jvives | Seb: I know, but that was a good answere any way! |
| 04:26.58 | Seb | Abysmal: so swat is not running |
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| 04:27.25 | Abysmal | how does one start it?? |
| 04:27.27 | Seb | Abysmal: either that, or a firewall somewhere is preventing the connection to be made |
| 04:27.37 | Estes | <erno> hm. I've lost a machine.. literally _lost_. it responds to ping, it works completely, I just can't figure out where in my apartment it is. |
| 04:27.41 | beoba | hum, well, it magically fixed itself just now |
| 04:27.43 | beoba | whatever that was |
| 04:27.50 | spdf | classic bash.org quote.. |
| 04:28.06 | Seb | Abysmal: /etc/init.d/swat start. Note how I'm guessing, as I don't use it. You, on the other have wonderful tools you can use, like dpkg -L |
| 04:28.17 | jvives | brb, gotta save an infected WinXP (sorry for the rude word "Win") |
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| 04:28.25 | liable | swat is generally run through inetd iirc |
| 04:28.27 | Seb | jvives: let it die |
| 04:28.42 | fbi | pee on it first. then let it die. |
| 04:28.44 | litage | i've enabled SNMPv1 on my switch, but ``snmpwalk -Cp -Ct -c public -v 1 -Lo -d 10.0.5.100'' times out and doesn't get a response back. any suggestions? |
| 04:28.45 | chealer | beoba: just lost connection and reconnected |
| 04:28.54 | Seb | liable: sin't it a debconf choice ? |
| 04:29.08 | jvives | Seb: it's my parent's... they pay the bills, gotta work on it once in a while... |
| 04:29.12 | liable | Seb: could be, cant remeber to be truthful. |
| 04:29.40 | beardy | I'm having lag.. hold on tight, a screenburst coming.. |
| 04:29.42 | fbi | jvives: tell your parents all the 'cool' old people are running Debian. |
| 04:29.57 | ricochet | question: I'm trying to install vmware (host) on sid, it wants the location of the directory of C header files that match the funning kernel. I installed linux-headers.. for my kernel, but that directory is missing directories 'linux' and 'asm' that vmware installer wants... what do I do? |
| 04:30.02 | Seb | jvives: make sure you use 'middle-aged', not 'old' |
| 04:30.16 | jvives | fbi: first I should teach them the meaning of "cool" |
| 04:30.20 | Seb | ricochet: this is in the BTS |
| 04:31.26 | Seb | ricochet: wanna get smitten for it, or go there directly ? |
| 04:31.26 | ricochet | Seb, going there |
| 04:31.26 | liable | hehe |
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| 04:31.31 | ricochet | Seb, i thought it was my problem |
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| 04:31.33 | Seb | ricochet: good boy :> |
| 04:31.33 | Seb | ricochet: *always* check the BTS |
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| 04:31.42 | Abysmal | /etc/init.d/swat start |
| 04:31.48 | Abysmal | didn't work.. |
| 04:31.54 | Seb | !doesn't work |
| 04:31.54 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 04:32.00 | Abysmal | apt-get install swat says its already installed |
| 04:32.09 | Seb | you're abysmally vague |
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| 04:32.57 | Seb | i work, and do all of the above |
| 04:32.59 | beardy | liable: :) |
| 04:33.14 | liable | well, i am employed.. :) |
| 04:33.17 | Abysmal | i'm trying to get swat up and running.. it has been installed but doesn't seem to be running.. and useing /etc/init.d/swat start does nothing.. |
| 04:33.23 | Seb | liable: heh, same here |
| 04:33.30 | Seb | i just work 4 days from home :D |
| 04:33.43 | Seb | Abysmal: so it runs from inetd, as liable suggested |
| 04:33.54 | fbi | Abysmal: how about doing something totally insane like reading the documentation? |
| 04:34.32 | Seb | Abysmal: sudo netstat -pant| grep 901 |
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| 04:34.55 | humbolt | I read that I can get my skype work with alsa through aoss and with dmix to be able to output sound while some other app is using the sound device to |
| 04:35.03 | Abysmal | seb : returns nothing |
| 04:35.05 | humbolt | I read I have to setup /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc in a certain way |
| 04:35.13 | Seb | Abysmal: telnet localhost 901 |
| 04:35.13 | humbolt | but it does not seem to work |
| 04:35.17 | beardy | fbi: You can catch the clue from reading documentation, and it's contagious and nasty. |
| 04:35.19 | humbolt | how can I narrow down the problem |
| 04:35.25 | Seb | aaaaah, *it* *doesn't* *work* |
| 04:35.36 | fbi | beardy: i avoid documents like the plague! |
| 04:35.49 | Seb | damn that was like what, 2 minutes since someone last said that ? |
| 04:35.51 | chealer | seb: you answered man tee, but I already looked at that. can you tell me how to use it? |
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| 04:36.02 | Seb | chealer: you mean the man page didn't tell you ? |
| 04:36.06 | fbi | in fact, i removed everything in /usr/share/doc just for shits and giggles. |
| 04:36.11 | chealer | seb: no |
| 04:36.13 | Seb | chealer: what is it you odn't understand ? |
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| 04:36.39 | Abysmal | seb telnet gives me a connection refused error |
| 04:36.41 | beardy | ~tell linh -about root |
| 04:37.05 | chealer | seb: arg, if I don't understand something, I don't know what. what I'm saying is that I don't *know* how to do it |
| 04:37.22 | ricochet | Seb, trying to find it in the BTS.. where would I look? |
| 04:37.22 | beardy | chealer: What do you want to do? |
| 04:37.25 | SimonRaven | hi |
| 04:37.26 | Seb | chealer: ok, and googling for, say, "tee usage stdout" wouldn't enlighten you ? |
| 04:37.42 | Seb | ricochet: it's a bug on kernel-headers iirc |
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| 04:38.06 | chealer | seb: hum...possibly |
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| 04:38.58 | Seb | chealer: i dunno, if I were you I'd look for examples of tee usage I'd guess |
| 04:38.59 | liable | damn paypal .au is intolerably slow atm. |
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| 04:39.07 | encompass | I am installing an ndiswrapper driver and after installing the driver with ndiswrapper -i NET8180.inf it doesn't show when I type dmesg | grep wlan, is that bad? or does the module need to be modprobed in first |
| 04:39.25 | spdf | encompass, what does ndiswrapper -l say? |
| 04:39.29 | Seb | encompass: dude you're kidding right |
| 04:39.35 | encompass | it shows it and the hardwareis present |
| 04:39.37 | spdf | encompass, and then you "modprobe ndiswrapper" right? |
| 04:39.39 | Seb | encompass: you ask us how to remove it, and *then* oyu wanna reinstall it ? |
| 04:39.42 | chealer | seb: heh, not something the manpage will help much with :S |
| 04:39.43 | liable | encompass: if you read the docs, then it actually tells you to modprobe it after.. |
| 04:39.46 | encompass | haha |
| 04:39.49 | Seb | chealer: indeed not. Hence the googling. |
| 04:39.53 | chealer | beardy: I'm going to copy my question |
| 04:40.00 | bwlang | is it possible to have an OR situation in the depends line of a control file? eg (libwxgtk2.4-python || python-wxgtk2.4) - the policy manual doesn't say... ( so i suspect this is impossible) |
| 04:40.01 | chealer | is it possible, and if so how can it be done, to run in bash $ command1|command2, but to have both commands' output on stdout, instead of only command2's? |
| 04:40.12 | encompass | I googled it and it tells me I can grep before I ndiswrapper -m weird huh? |
| 04:40.21 | ricochet | Seb, hmm. I'm looking under linux-headers-2.6.12-1-686 and everything related |
| 04:40.33 | Seb | ricochet: yeah it was for this one I think |
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| 04:40.44 | linh | hi |
| 04:40.49 | encompass | so ndiswrapper -m then right? |
| 04:40.53 | chealer | note: I guess that I *could* do it with tee, but I'd like to not involve a file, unless it's a little hack like using a device |
| 04:40.55 | encompass | hi linh |
| 04:41.08 | linh | hi encompass |
| 04:41.08 | Seb | ricochet: but it's fixed now i think, so getting the latest version should get you going |
| 04:41.14 | encompass | hi linh |
| 04:41.15 | encompass | haha |
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| 04:41.51 | linh | do you know i get vim to displace help function for a C from mapage with a control+something ? |
| 04:41.56 | linh | i used to able to do it now i forgot |
| 04:42.00 | Seb | chealer: without files, use other FDs, 3, 4, etc... |
| 04:42.11 | mfrisch | what services use the auth port? |
| 04:42.34 | Seb | linh: try #vi or #vim |
| 04:42.49 | Phated | Sorry, but is module-init-tools available on a d-i netinstall image? |
| 04:43.00 | chealer | seb: hum, not sure what you mean, I'll man bash |
| 04:43.24 | linh | thanks seb |
| 04:43.29 | encompass | so do I modprobe ndiswrapper or ndiswrapper -m |
| 04:43.32 | ricochet | Seb, looks like have the latest version tho.. |
| 04:43.41 | chealer | Phated: most likely |
| 04:43.45 | encompass | google says the first man ndiswrapper says the other |
| 04:43.46 | Phated | chealer: Thanks. |
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| 04:44.04 | spdf | encompass, How about both? |
| 04:44.16 | encompass | will I break something if I do it? |
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| 04:44.27 | spdf | encompass, Your sternum. |
| 04:44.32 | encompass | and which one first |
| 04:44.33 | beardy | chealer: Any special command1 and 2? |
| 04:44.33 | beardy | chealer: To have me understand why and when it is needed? |
| 04:44.34 | salmenara | I've installed alsa-source, alsa-base and alsa-oss |
| 04:44.51 | spdf | encompass, ugh. for kicks, lets say ndiswrapper -m |
| 04:44.59 | salmenara | but my Debian box asks me for /dev/snd/seq ... |
| 04:45.00 | Seb | chealer: it's under "duplicating file descriptors" |
| 04:45.02 | encompass | ok |
| 04:45.05 | salmenara | how can I install it ? |
| 04:45.15 | chealer | seb: thanks, I'll check it |
| 04:46.16 | Seb | chealer: and it will severely bend your mind :) |
| 04:46.16 | chealer | seb: oho |
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| 04:46.16 | encompass | wow |
| 04:46.16 | jvives | Seb: do you remember the name of the deamond that managed the usb signals? |
| 04:46.18 | spdf | salmenara, are the appropiate sound modules loaded for your hardware? |
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| 04:46.24 | Seb | chealer: that's complicated stuff. But comp.os.shell has *many* examples, make sure you google-groups for that |
| 04:46.24 | Seb | jvives: hotplug |
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| 04:46.46 | salmenara | spdf: My soundcard is a Intel High Definition Audio and I am using the snd-hda-intel module |
| 04:46.57 | chealer | beardy: suppose you have a command1 that has an output that may vary with time (or after another execution). you want to treat its output *and* see it on the same run. let's say you'd want to count the number of lines of the output |
| 04:47.10 | jvives | Seb: just guessing here... I want to "auto-mount" my usb device every time I plug it, is the hotplug documentation the one I should read? |
| 04:47.24 | beardy | chealer: Ah, ok. |
| 04:47.25 | Seb | chealer: that's done with tee, tail, and a 2nd terminal, man |
| 04:47.28 | spdf | salmenara, modprobe snd-seq |
| 04:47.43 | Seb | jvives: probably more like udev, if you need automounting |
| 04:47.48 | mfrisch | jvives no |
| 04:48.31 | bucky | jvives, apt-get usbmount |
| 04:48.33 | stew | chealer: if you want to get fancy you could use tee into a fifo maybe? or tee into /dev/fd/3 or something. read about bash io redirection, and good luck io redirection with file descriptors over #2 always have baffled me |
| 04:48.57 | Seb | stew: heheheheh |
| 04:49.02 | chealer | seb: ah, got it with a second term. interesting hack |
| 04:49.35 | stew | chealer: no no no, figure out io redirection to other file descriptors then explain it to me :) |
| 04:49.44 | Seb | stew: read some more comp.os.shell, after 6 months of that, I got all the weirdest shell concepts figured out :) |
| 04:49.45 | jvives | bucky: but that would REMOVE hotplug |
| 04:49.47 | chealer | stew: fifo, eh? |
| 04:50.00 | bucky | letsee |
| 04:50.16 | chealer | the good thing is I always thought that complicated stuff was useless, now I know geeks are rational folks |
| 04:50.23 | Seb | heh |
| 04:51.36 | stew | as soon as i start seeing stuff like exec 3>&0 (foo bar ) &4>&1 3>&-.... i start to lose it |
| 04:51.48 | jvives | Seb: but udev and usbmount need to remove hotplug... |
| 04:51.59 | chealer | here I am, "Dédoublement de descripteur de fichier" |
| 04:52.08 | bucky | jvives, it's not doing that on my system... :( but hotplug can trigger events and i think you can use it to auto mount usb |
| 04:52.33 | jvives | bucky: that's what I thought |
| 04:52.37 | jvives | brb |
| 04:52.41 | mfrisch | jvives use another automounter... |
| 04:52.44 | stew | in unstable udev now conflicts with hotplug |
| 04:52.59 | mfrisch | magicdev |
| 04:53.16 | Seb | jvives: it's ok, go ahead |
| 04:53.27 | Seb | stew: :D |
| 04:53.33 | Seb | stew: i know the feeling |
| 04:53.38 | jvives | Seb: sure? I mean, isn't hotplug USEFULL? |
| 04:53.49 | Seb | stew: still, comp.os.shell is great :) |
| 04:53.56 | Seb | jvives: the others are more useful |
| 04:54.18 | jvives | Seb: which one though... udev? |
| 04:54.20 | stew | Seb: i'll put comp.os.shell somewhere on the stack... :) |
| 04:54.26 | Seb | stew: haha |
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| 04:54.46 | Seb | stew: interestingly enough it took me the full 6 months to realize the guru in there wnt to school with me :) |
| 04:55.10 | Seb | jvives: dude. *try* something, for once |
| 04:55.18 | Seb | jvives: apt-get install/removes makes it easy on ya |
| 04:55.27 | Seb | jvives: you don't like it ? You fucked up ? Remove it, retry. |
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| 04:56.35 | Xenguy | Seb: yawn? |
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| 04:58.05 | chealer | hmmmm |
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| 04:58.17 | chealer | I think I'm going to stick with Seb's nice tty hack |
| 04:58.32 | chealer | until it's not past midnight anymore, anyway |
| 04:59.01 | jvives | Seb: I know... I keep telling that to my mom. But hotplug is kind of everywhere when I plug sth, but I've never try any funny with it, so I was kind of scared... LOL. Too late, gotta get some sleep, so tomorrow if this shit boots ('cause the new udev thing) I'll read the docs... g'night |
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| 05:00.32 | chealer | stew: if you write a patch to be able to parse commands involving file descriptors duplication, feel free to send it here. I'll try to port it so that it runs on chealpc. |
| 05:00.44 | chealer | thanks Seb and stew |
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| 05:02.06 | jvives | BYE EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 05:02.23 | jvives | thx to all you guys who helped :) |
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| 05:05.05 | beardy | chealer_: So what was the final solution to what you wanted to do? |
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| 05:05.29 | chealer_ | beardy, Seb's tip about using another tty will do |
| 05:05.57 | aris | any one familiar with postfix smtpd_restrictions? |
| 05:05.59 | grigora | does anyone know how to graph a simple linear function? thanks |
| 05:06.31 | EdLin | !ask |
| 05:06.32 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 05:07.41 | grigora | I have a set of X/Y values in adjacent columns and I am trying to graph them, but OO Calc somehow use both sets of values as X values and graphs 2 lines |
| 05:07.46 | beardy | chealer_: Ok, a temporary file was not wanted? Since that would have been very easy (as you probably know). |
| 05:07.56 | grigora | EdLin: how is that? |
| 05:08.02 | Abysmal | how does one restart xinetd?? |
| 05:08.22 | beardy | Abysmal: /etc/init.d/xinetd restart ? |
| 05:08.29 | Abysmal | thanks.. |
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| 05:09.18 | chealer_ | beardy, yes, it was somewhat theorical |
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| 05:10.17 | Abysmal | damn.. still having probs with swat.. it is installed and the entry is in the xinetd.conf file.. but it has a #<off># at the begining if the line.. do I just remove the #<off># tag?? |
| 05:10.29 | aris | any one familiar with postfix smtpd_restrictions? |
| 05:10.32 | humbolt | why can I use alsa with multible sound sources simultanously using gstreamer alsasink but not via "aoss skype" at the same time? |
| 05:11.07 | spdf | Abysmal, I'd wager a guess and say YES. Starting a line with # comments it out, you dig? |
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| 05:11.16 | chealer_ | humbolt, please don't ask on multiple channels at the same time...IRCiquette |
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| 05:11.50 | valdyn | humbolt: aoss skype will use /dev/dsp, which does not support that |
| 05:12.30 | humbolt | but aoss is supposed to wrap the /deb/dsp output to alsa, doesn't it? |
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| 05:13.06 | valdyn | humbolt: ops, no, wrong, aoss skype will use the alsa device pcm.!dsp0, which you might not have setup to ue dmix |
| 05:13.35 | humbolt | will the setup in /etc/asound.conf be active immediately? |
| 05:13.50 | valdyn | humbolt: as soon as you restart the application |
| 05:13.53 | humbolt | or do I have to restart alsa or even reload all modules |
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| 05:14.18 | humbolt | the dmix settings are used by the app, not by alsa? |
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| 05:14.33 | Abysmal | anyone here running swat..?? |
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| 05:14.48 | EdLin | !tell Abysmal -about ask |
| 05:15.04 | valdyn | humbolt: dmix settings are used by libasound, which gets reloaded as soon as you restart the application linked against it |
| 05:15.08 | deadcat | 24 is back in january. (= |
| 05:15.18 | valdyn | humbolt: s/reloaded/rerun/ |
| 05:15.39 | beardy | hmm, I can't find any comp.os.shell on google-groups.. |
| 05:16.05 | humbolt | I could play multible sources without the asound.conf file, but not use skype via aoss at the same time. why is that? |
| 05:16.17 | Abysmal | I have a problem with swat. |
| 05:16.34 | humbolt | or actually, I could use it and recording worked, but I did not hear anything |
| 05:16.42 | valdyn | humbolt: maybe aoss doesnt work with skype? i wouldnt know |
| 05:16.43 | EdLin | beardy: I think it would be under comp.os.unix |
| 05:16.56 | Abysmal | !ask |
| 05:16.57 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 05:17.03 | humbolt | usually if skype cant access the sound device it does not even connect |
| 05:17.29 | humbolt | and it worked with aoss, but only when no other app did run?? that seemed strange to me |
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| 05:18.46 | valdyn | humbolt: run aoss skype, see if /dev/dsp is in use. If it is, the aoss cant do its thing with skype. |
| 05:19.08 | Abysmal | i give up.. night all.. thanks for the help.. sleep is good! |
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| 05:21.09 | b1x1m | msg iai caraiu |
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| 05:21.59 | EdLin | !test |
| 05:21.59 | dpkg | No, edlin, you're not online any more. |
| 05:22.06 | Supaplex | How do I really use the -R switch for lilo(8) ? |
| 05:22.33 | beardy | Supaplex: man 8 lilo doesn't say? |
| 05:22.36 | Supaplex | I'd like to install a new kernel, w/o risking a road trip to go fix it |
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| 05:23.09 | Supaplex | it does, I guess i'm on my own? |
| 05:23.32 | beardy | Supaplex: Are you going to install a stock kernel? |
| 05:23.44 | litage | after installing postfix, i noticed that these files exist in /etc/postfix/. can i remove all world privileges from them?: post-install, postfix-files, postfix-script |
| 05:23.50 | beardy | Supaplex: Have you edited your /etc/lilo.conf by hand? |
| 05:23.56 | humbolt | valdyn: actually, somehow /dev/dsp disappeared |
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| 05:24.08 | humbolt | it was there when I started the machine |
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| 05:24.21 | Supaplex | no edits to lilo.conf so far. I'm going to install a kp kernel |
| 05:24.23 | fusQuanto | tarzeau: 160041885696 bytes transferred in 14747.782370 seconds (10851929 bytes/sec) |
| 05:24.24 | beardy | Supaplex: (I don't have lilo installed, so can't check the manpage myself) |
| 05:24.27 | EdLin | humbolt: you're running udev? |
| 05:24.35 | humbolt | yes |
| 05:24.45 | humbolt | EdLin: yes |
| 05:24.50 | EdLin | humbolt: there's your problem right there. |
| 05:24.57 | beardy | Supaplex: lilo should get updated and run automagically then. |
| 05:24.59 | humbolt | why? |
| 05:25.21 | humbolt | I do not want /dev/dsp anyway! |
| 05:25.25 | EdLin | humbolt: because udev likes to do things like rearrange your /dev in ways you don't want it to. |
| 05:25.38 | EdLin | humbolt: yes you do want /dev/dsp |
| 05:26.00 | humbolt | no, I want /dev/snd/pcm... |
| 05:26.12 | humbolt | and use it via aoss |
| 05:26.16 | EdLin | humbolt: unless *all* your applications don't need OSS you want it. |
| 05:26.46 | EdLin | I've never heard of aoss. |
| 05:27.07 | Supaplex | I know kp updates lilo automagically, but I don't have physical access to the machine in question. I'd rather reboot after installing the new kernel for a one time trial on the new kernel. if something goes wrong, I can phone in a reboot request. (fix it time costs mega $$$'s) |
| 05:27.35 | EdLin | Supaplex: if you use lilo you have to run lilo. |
| 05:27.35 | humbolt | EdLin: right now, I do not care! I am using skype through aoss an app that wraps sound output of oss apps into alsa |
| 05:28.10 | liable | Supaplex: you can set lilo to boot a second kernel if it panics. |
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| 05:29.11 | EdLin | humbolt: skype is closed-source software, if it doesn't work, beg skype to fix it. |
| 05:29.47 | beardy | Supaplex: When you install a new kernel, the /vmlinuz symlink is pointed to the new kernel, and if it doesn't exist, a /vmlinuz.old symlink is created that points to your previous kernel, /etc/lilo.conf points to those symlinks, so nothing in /etc/lilo.conf should have to be touched manually, and lilo should get run, to reinstall lilo in the mbr. (When installing a make-kpkg kernel, you will be asked if you want to update lilo.conf and rerun lilo) |
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| 05:32.24 | wazzles | seb: i have given up on the damn cd-rom working |
| 05:32.43 | wazzles | im considering ritual suicide |
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| 05:37.11 | onetrap | Hello, i have a quick question... can anyone help me out? |
| 05:37.59 | The_Vulture | onetrap: No. And you're quite right - that was a quick question. |
| 05:38.40 | The_Vulture | hey there Phated |
| 05:38.45 | The_Vulture | having fun? I know I am. |
| 05:38.46 | onetrap | sorry i said that wrong... i'm getting a package auth error on base install |
| 05:38.52 | Phated | Fun, yes. |
| 05:38.56 | bob2 | onetrap: etc/sid? |
| 05:39.08 | onetrap | testing netinstall |
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| 05:39.22 | fusQuanto | tarzeau: you there? |
| 05:39.31 | Seb | wazzles: try compiling a newer one then |
| 05:39.33 | onetrap | i have the syslog, don't want to paste in here though |
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| 05:40.18 | fusQuanto | i just got a new HD to replace an old about to die one, the first thing i did was dd the old one to the new one, and it showed to sucessfully have copied everything over. i tried booting off of it but it did not boot, didnt even get to grub... did i miss something? |
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| 05:41.56 | tcsetattr | did you try booting it by moving it into the master position, or by changing the BIOS boot device? |
| 05:41.56 | EdLin | fusQuanto: dd as a backup only works perfectly right if the two disks are identical. |
| 05:42.16 | k-man | fusQuanto, um.. i'm not expert, but its probably to do with the partition tables or something |
| 05:42.23 | fusQuanto | EdLin: they are identical. |
| 05:42.45 | humbolt | is there a way to check what dmix settings are in place when there is not asound.conf nor .asoundrc? |
| 05:42.48 | fusQuanto | k-man: what do you recommend i do/check? |
| 05:42.55 | fusQuanto | am i supposed to mkfs first? |
| 05:42.58 | k-man | fusQuanto, um... search google? ;) |
| 05:43.07 | k-man | fusQuanto, i doubt it |
| 05:43.43 | onetrap | I'm using the testing netinstall and when i get to baseinstall i get that initrd-tools can not be authenticated... |
| 05:43.55 | tcsetattr | maybe there's a geometry difference, if grub isn't using LBA |
| 05:44.09 | chealer_ | onetrap, it's broken |
| 05:44.36 | onetrap | chealer_, i burned the iso twice, shall i re download? |
| 05:44.42 | fusQuanto | tcsetattr: how do i check? i got hte HD from westerndigital its an exact replacement (i have them both here) |
| 05:44.46 | EdLin | fusQuanto: make a grub-floppy and see if it can find your partitions |
| 05:45.00 | chealer_ | onetrap, you'd still download the broken etch d-i |
| 05:45.02 | fusQuanto | EdLin: i have them both up right now, master/slave, im using cfdisk and both are identical partitions |
| 05:45.08 | fbi | fusQuanto: can you mount the disk to verify that the filesystem copied? you can always reinstall grub with an install cd. |
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| 05:45.15 | tcsetattr | cat /proc/ide/hd?/geometry |
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| 05:45.45 | onetrap | chealer_, where should i get a install iso from then? |
| 05:45.47 | fusQuanto | fbi: i tried moutnaing and it woudlnt mount :( but cfdisk shows it to be proper adn correct |
| 05:45.50 | tcsetattr | the geometry probably isn't the problem. |
| 05:46.02 | tcsetattr | well, if you can't mount the partitions something's definitely not right :) |
| 05:46.09 | fbi | fusQuanto: what do you mean 'wouldn't mount' |
| 05:46.11 | fusQuanto | tcsetattr: yes it is identical |
| 05:46.22 | chealer_ | onetrap, stable... |
| 05:46.39 | fusQuanto | fbi: i take that back it did mount :) i was doing /dev/hdb instead of /dev/hdb1 , so yes it mounts fine |
| 05:47.14 | fusQuanto | should i sintall grub again to /dev/hdb ? |
| 05:47.25 | fbi | fusQuanto: you _should_ be able to boot an install cd, chroot into your system and install grub, but who knows if that will work. |
| 05:47.43 | fusQuanto | fbi: i can still use the origainl old dying HD, which is what im in right now |
| 05:47.50 | fusQuanto | fbi: so i can get to HDB |
| 05:48.01 | fbi | fusQuanto: why are you sticking the new disk on the primary slave, is the bad disk still installed? |
| 05:48.02 | fusQuanto | fbi: i just did a grub-install /dev/hdb and it says successful |
| 05:48.10 | fusQuanto | fbi: yes taht is correct |
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| 05:48.30 | fusQuanto | fbi: i tried putting new disk in primary master but it didnt boot, so i put old one back in and booted up |
| 05:48.42 | fusQuanto | fbi: old HD is in master mode, while new oen is in cable select... |
| 05:48.42 | tcsetattr | I don't know about grub, but if you try that with LILO (install the boot block on hdb and then switch the jumper so it becomes hda and try to boot from it) it won't work. |
| 05:48.49 | fbi | fusQuanto: put new disk on hda, and then do what i said before |
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| 05:49.32 | fusQuanto | tcsetattr: thats waht im doing... how do i get aroudn that then? with a boot disk to install it on the real hda? |
| 05:49.45 | fusQuanto | fbi: meaning i boot off a disk and instasll grub? |
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| 05:50.07 | tcsetattr | ask someone who knows about grub then. with lilo you can do "disk=/dev/hdb bios=0x80" in lilo.conf to tell it that the disk currently known as hdb will be hda when it boots. |
| 05:50.17 | fbi | fusQuanto: use your install cd to chroot into the new filesystem (on hda) and reinstall grub on the mbr of the new disk |
| 05:50.29 | fusQuanto | ok |
| 05:50.32 | fusQuanto | thanks guys brb |
| 05:50.36 | jair | guys it is anyway i can make the thinderbird enter the email without ask for the password? |
| 05:50.57 | aris | i need help postfix smtpd_restrictions |
| 05:51.02 | aris | hello |
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| 06:03.09 | Koobs | Hi guys. I recieved mac os 10.3 in rar files (they are DMG files when extracted) and was wondering how i can burn them on a cd so my Powerbook G4 will be able to boot from them. But i was wondering how to do this using windows |
| 06:03.28 | aris | i need help postfix smtpd_restrictions |
| 06:03.29 | aris | hello |
| 06:03.41 | Guerin | aris: #postfix |
| 06:03.49 | Koobs | Hi guys. I recieved mac os 10.3 in rar files (they are DMG files when extracted) and was wondering how i can burn them on a cd so my Powerbook G4 will be able to boot from them. But i was wondering how to do this using windows |
| 06:04.06 | dli__ | is using xfs a good idea? instead of ext3? |
| 06:04.06 | beoba | Koobs: definitely not our specialty |
| 06:04.07 | Guerin | Koobs: ask apple |
| 06:04.23 | Guerin | Koobs: i didn't know apple distributed osx in rar |
| 06:04.25 | beoba | dli__: depends on how cool you think the letter "X" is |
| 06:04.31 | Koobs | well its a burnt disk.......apple wont like that |
| 06:04.37 | Eclipser | Guerin, it's not OSX is it? |
| 06:04.42 | Guerin | Koobs: right. So why are you asking us? |
| 06:04.53 | Guerin | Eclipser: 10.3? |
| 06:04.54 | Koobs | cus u guys are usually smart |
| 06:05.06 | Guerin | Koobs: we don't like warez either. That's why we use free software. |
| 06:05.11 | beoba | r u dum? gawd |
| 06:05.11 | dli__ | beoba, quite boring with ext3 is fsck time after 20+ reboots |
| 06:05.21 | Guerin | Koobs: we can help you install debian |
| 06:05.27 | Koobs | who does like warez then? |
| 06:05.32 | dli__ | beoba: also performance |
| 06:05.33 | Eclipser | no one should |
| 06:05.34 | Koobs | can you point me in the right direction? |
| 06:05.40 | Eclipser | Koobs, warez is baaad |
| 06:05.43 | tcsetattr | the mount count can be adjusted with tune2fs |
| 06:05.48 | Guerin | Koobs: if you want to install osx, ask apple how it's done. |
| 06:05.51 | Guerin | !warez |
| 06:05.51 | dpkg | i heard warez is what GNU/Linux people do not need to run their computers and talk about in mundane ubergeek parties. http://www.little-gamers.com/index.php?id=275 or http://www.blerp.org/warez/ |
| 06:06.00 | beoba | dli__: reiser's pretty good, i havent had any experience with xfs myself, i vaguely remember something about it doing a lot of cacheing, such that you might want to worry about power redundancy |
| 06:06.15 | beoba | but that was a good few years ago |
| 06:06.15 | Guerin | beoba: right |
| 06:06.15 | Koobs | rrriiiggghhhhtttttt |
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| 06:06.15 | Guerin | beoba: still the case |
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| 06:07.07 | beoba | i just thought it funny that he was asking how to burn OSX in win |
| 06:07.12 | beoba | missing on both counts there |
| 06:07.22 | dli__ | beoba: reiserfs is said to be dangerous, compared ext3, for user data at power failure |
| 06:07.54 | tcsetattr | power failures are bad, I recommend not having them |
| 06:07.58 | Guerin | !filesystems |
| 06:07.58 | dpkg | Journaling filesystems in a nutshell: <peterS> fast but dangerous: reiserfs. slow but reliable: ext3. fast, mostly reliable, and *huge*: xfs. medium speed, probably reliable: jfs. unknown, probably buggy: reiser4. If you have to ask, use ext3, or see http://fsbench.netnation.com/ |
| 06:08.05 | beoba | dli__: i've used it for some time on home machines and haven't had issues |
| 06:08.15 | beoba | dli__: in a portion of town with somewhat unstable power |
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| 06:08.30 | beoba | dli__: but havent dealt with it in anything critical |
| 06:08.45 | beoba | so dunno how it is at that sort of thing, or what tools (if any) are available for recovery |
| 06:08.52 | Guerin | the big problem with reiser is that, if there's a problem with your filesystem, there's no real way of fixing it |
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| 06:09.07 | fbi | asking how to burn osx, under windows, in a linux channel. what a douchebag. |
| 06:09.09 | Guerin | beoba: that's the trouble: the reiser tools are shit |
| 06:09.13 | tnks | hi all. I did something really, really stupid. |
| 06:09.23 | Guerin | tnks: nice way to start |
| 06:09.33 | moya | is it a well practice to use C as locale in servers, or doesn't matter to have a UTF-8 charencoding by default? |
| 06:09.37 | dli__ | beoba: then, is there anything against xfs? |
| 06:09.43 | tnks | I updated a windows app, not realizing it was going to mess up my MBR. . . |
| 06:10.01 | beoba | dli__: i dont know |
| 06:10.08 | tnks | I burned a copy of the lasted Sarge netinstall CD. |
| 06:10.32 | tnks | But I'm not 100% of how to use it to repair the boot sector. |
| 06:10.34 | onetrap | tnks, did you get the image from today? |
| 06:10.38 | tnks | yeah. |
| 06:10.51 | tnks | onetrap, not the "testing" one. . . the "stable" one. |
| 06:11.12 | fbi | tnks: debian still installed, yes? |
| 06:11.23 | tnks | fbi, totally. |
| 06:11.27 | Guerin | tnks: boot to a shell; mount your /; chroot to your mounted /; mount /proc; run grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub |
| 06:11.35 | Guerin | tnks: that should do the trick |
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| 06:12.04 | fbi | there really should be a factoid for that |
| 06:12.07 | fbi | if there isn't one already |
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| 06:12.11 | Guerin | fbi: make one |
| 06:12.16 | Niriven | does dpkg-reconfigure x-window-system work? |
| 06:12.23 | Niriven | to reconfigure xorg.conf |
| 06:12.25 | Guerin | Niriven: no. |
| 06:12.31 | Guerin | !drxx Niriven |
| 06:12.32 | dpkg | Niriven: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 06:12.43 | tnks | Guerin, I'm in a shell now, from the installer. |
| 06:12.46 | Niriven | thanks :P |
| 06:12.49 | tnks | but there's no /dev/hda. |
| 06:12.49 | jm_ | !fixmbr |
| 06:12.49 | dpkg | So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target), then chroot into it (chroot /target), then run "grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub". |
| 06:12.56 | fbi | there you go |
| 06:13.05 | Guerin | jm_: nice |
| 06:13.09 | fbi | i thought there was one |
| 06:13.32 | Phated | fbi: /dev/ide0 and keep tabbing. :) |
| 06:13.54 | fbi | indeed! |
| 06:14.19 | Phated | Until you get to like part1. :) |
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| 06:18.19 | tnks | Dude. . . |
| 06:18.28 | tnks | that was the easiest fix ever. . . |
| 06:18.32 | beoba | like totally |
| 06:18.34 | tnks | THANKS (a lot). |
| 06:18.44 | Phated | Not a problem. |
| 06:18.50 | beoba | roxor yor boxor |
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| 06:19.06 | clojster | what does that mean? |
| 06:19.39 | tnks | I think I'm tired of the Windows partition. |
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| 06:19.48 | clojster | lol |
| 06:19.51 | fbi | tnks: i am curious, what on earth did you update in windows that overwrote your mbr? |
| 06:20.03 | fbi | i have _never_ heard of anything like that |
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| 06:20.07 | technos | mew |
| 06:20.15 | liable | eow |
| 06:20.25 | tnks | fbi, I have a Thinkpad, so I was just installing applications using IBM's "update" utility. |
| 06:20.31 | fbi | ah. |
| 06:20.34 | Phated | Windows is a jerk. It overwrites as and when. |
| 06:20.37 | fbi | enough said. |
| 06:20.42 | beoba | i had a xp64 installer that insisted on creating an extended partition to place itself in, no idea why |
| 06:20.44 | tnks | One of the apps it was installing (among 13 or so others) was a "recovery" app. |
| 06:21.06 | tnks | turns out it didn't help much with recovery at all. |
| 06:21.13 | liable | tnks: you should get the cd's and gain yourself an extra 3gig or so. |
| 06:21.42 | tnks | liable, "get the cd's"? |
| 06:21.43 | deadcat | Phated: hows the ibook so far? (= |
| 06:21.51 | Phated | deadcat: Loving it still, darling. :) |
| 06:21.56 | liable | tnks: you can get recovery cd's from ibm. |
| 06:22.07 | tnks | Oh. . . I know what you mean. |
| 06:22.10 | tnks | that's true. |
| 06:22.10 | deadcat | damn. hehe. i want usb2, |
| 06:22.25 | tnks | Actually. I'm at a point where I just want to blow this Windows partition away. |
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| 06:22.39 | tnks | Can I merge the partition with a pre-existing one? |
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| 06:22.59 | deadcat | Phated: live action pictures? screenshots? |
| 06:23.04 | moya | is it a well practice to use C as locale in servers, or doesn't matter to have a UTF-8 charencoding by default? |
| 06:23.13 | fbi | tnks: wipe it and mkfs, then mount it. viola, no more windows. |
| 06:23.19 | Phated | deadcat: Duuuude. OSX. You really want to see it? :) |
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| 06:23.30 | deadcat | Phated: hahaha. i am a screenshot whore. |
| 06:23.48 | deadcat | Phated: of course, it SHOULD have been customized though |
| 06:24.07 | Phated | deadcat: Hah. Little to none, dear. Some wiggling of stuffs, but not much else. |
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| 06:24.34 | fusQuanto | all is good fbi :) |
| 06:24.38 | fusQuanto | and whoever else was helping me i forgot, thanks : |
| 06:24.45 | fbi | fusQuanto: nice one |
| 06:24.59 | fusQuanto | fbi: now how do i erase the old HD so that western digital doesnt go snooping |
| 06:25.07 | fbi | errr |
| 06:25.11 | tnks | actually, it seems I have to run fsck. The inodes are mucked up. |
| 06:25.14 | fbi | you have to send it back to them? |
| 06:25.19 | tnks | (is that typical for this kind of problem)? |
| 06:25.20 | fusQuanto | fbi: hte old dead one yes |
| 06:25.32 | fusQuanto | fbi: its not completely dead yet, it makes fugly noises like a chainsaw and stuff |
| 06:25.49 | fbi | ugh. what brand is this? |
| 06:25.54 | infinity1 | is the proper way to building debina source packages with apt-build? |
| 06:25.55 | fbi | oh wd |
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| 06:26.15 | bob2 | infinity1: no |
| 06:26.21 | bob2 | infinity1: what are you planning to do? |
| 06:26.30 | deadcat | Phated: the crappiest thing about the osx is that ya. the gui is ok, but fix the fucking mouse.. its STILL 1D and black |
| 06:26.30 | fbi | my new maxtor is only 4 months old and making some funky sounds, i'm probably gonna have to do the same thing soon |
| 06:26.43 | infinity1 | bob2: build a package from a deb-src |
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| 06:26.48 | fusQuanto | fbi mine did it in 2years 10 months :) 3 year warranty |
| 06:26.55 | deadcat | stupid jobs forgot about the mouse pointer |
| 06:26.56 | fbi | nice |
| 06:26.57 | encompass | is it worth it to use hardprm? |
| 06:27.05 | bob2 | infinity1: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us |
| 06:27.10 | fbi | encompass: you mean hdparm ? |
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| 06:27.18 | encompass | yeah that |
| 06:27.20 | encompass | sorry |
| 06:27.21 | infinity1 | bob2: ahh.. whats the apt-build about ? |
| 06:27.24 | encompass | oh hi fbi |
| 06:27.29 | fbi | encompass: yes, if you need it. and hi. |
| 06:27.37 | bob2 | infinity1: some broken hack someone wrote as a joke, more or less |
| 06:27.51 | infinity1 | bob2: okay. thanks for steering me the right way. |
| 06:27.58 | encompass | would it help my little lappy |
| 06:28.06 | encompass | 700mhz celeron |
| 06:28.14 | Phated | deadcat: Heh. |
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| 06:28.34 | tnks | fbi, I've had this Debian system running for a many years now, but I never really figured out whether there was a substantial benefit to having multiple partitions on the laptop's hard drive. |
| 06:28.47 | fusQuanto | fbi: so how do i completely wipe clean the drive? |
| 06:28.49 | fbi | encompass: it's easy to be overly aggressive with hdparm options, that's the only thing i would be careful with |
| 06:28.51 | tnks | For simplicity, I just made one giant partition. |
| 06:29.16 | fbi | fusQuanto: deleting the partition in fdisk should be good enough ( i assume ) |
| 06:29.38 | fusQuanto | someone said to do a dd with /dev/zero heh |
| 06:29.55 | fbi | yeah, you could do that if you are uber-paranoid |
| 06:30.03 | fbi | wtf do you have on there that you don't want anyone seeing? |
| 06:30.07 | tcsetattr | fusQuanto, this discussion WILL end with someone saying "nuke the drive from orbit (etc etc)" but shred(1) is a reasonably good alternative |
| 06:31.12 | fusQuanto | tcsetattr: lol, well i gotta send it back :( |
| 06:31.25 | dli__ | fusQuanto, yes, I do "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda count=1" to wipe out the mbr |
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| 06:31.56 | fusQuanto | dli_: what does count=1 do? |
| 06:32.22 | ssm | tnks: For a laptop, there is really no need to partition much, unless you _know_ you need it |
| 06:32.27 | dli__ | fusQuanto, mbr is only one sector :) no need to do more |
| 06:32.36 | tnks | ssm, I hear you. |
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| 06:33.15 | ssm | tnks: but there are some who _want_ to partition /var, /usr, /tmp, /home, /var/spool, /var/cache, and so on, and I'm not going to stop them |
| 06:33.19 | tnks | ssm, two questions, what's an obvious benefit to partitioning on a home computer? And is there an easy way to merge partitions? |
| 06:33.29 | Horde | hey, how do i install a package? |
| 06:33.30 | infinity1 | whats the command to downlaod a package's source deb info? |
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| 06:33.44 | dli__ | ssm: /home is sensible :) |
| 06:33.45 | fbi | Horde: man dpkg |
| 06:34.03 | ssm | tnks: You can set separate parameters for separate partitions. If you have a database, you will want to turn down readahead, for instance. |
| 06:34.04 | dli__ | infinity1, apt-get source |
| 06:34.17 | ssm | tnks: /home is sensible if you want to reinstall, for instance. |
| 06:34.21 | infinity1 | dli__: yea. i just figured that out. hah. how obvious. |
| 06:34.23 | dli__ | infinity1, make sure you have deb-src in your sources.list |
| 06:34.28 | tnks | ssm, that's a good point. |
| 06:34.36 | infinity1 | dli__: yea. then in the same directory i run dpkg-buildsource |
| 06:34.37 | tnks | okay, on to my next question. |
| 06:34.38 | infinity1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:34.51 | ssm | tnks: Having everything in LVM will give you the ability to do snapshots for automatic backup of some partitions without using much space |
| 06:35.05 | ssm | tnks: but for the average home user? Not much |
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| 06:35.17 | tnks | Are there good tools now (hopefully Debian tools) for resizing partitions? Merging, etc.? |
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| 06:35.49 | ssm | tnks: not sure about merging, but resizing works fairly well, at least growing |
| 06:36.09 | onetrap | is there any tools when booting off the install cd to edit .conf's? |
| 06:36.09 | ssm | tnks: I _think_ the newer 2.6 kernels will give you online resize of ext3, but I have not tried yet. |
| 06:36.12 | encompass | most drives are udma now right? |
| 06:36.13 | Dasnipa` | why would you need to merge? just change the mountpoint as needed |
| 06:36.24 | ssm | tnks: not Sarge's kernel |
| 06:36.25 | encompass | like even this old laptop with a celeron 700 |
| 06:36.38 | tnks | ssm, is growing restricted to "adjacent" partitions? Or is there not a notion of adacency with partitions? |
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| 06:36.55 | tcsetattr | resizing a filesystem into unused space is not the same as merging 2 *populated* filesystems |
| 06:36.56 | simy | if i did apt-get install -t unstable somthingiwant that would get it from unstable right? |
| 06:36.57 | ssm | tnks: if you use LVM, you don't have to think about that |
| 06:37.18 | bob2 | simy: yes, while probably upgrading large chunks of your system to unstable |
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| 06:37.31 | ssm | Disks -> LVM Physucal Volume -> Volume Group -> Logical Volumes (which look like partitions) |
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| 06:37.46 | simy | bob2, is there a way to search unstable while still in testing? (I'm looking for sphinx3 or 4, if that helps) |
| 06:37.46 | encompass | most drives are udma now right? |
| 06:37.48 | encompass | like even this old laptop with a celeron 700 |
| 06:37.49 | tnks | ssm, these partitions were made before I was really interested of really aware of RAID or LVM. |
| 06:38.06 | bob2 | simy: packages.debian.org |
| 06:38.07 | ssm | RAID is another beast. :D |
| 06:38.12 | Horde | uhm how do you unpack/ install a .deb file? |
| 06:38.15 | bob2 | simy: apt-pinning is another option but more complicated |
| 06:38.16 | tnks | Can I migrate non-LVM partitions to LVM? |
| 06:38.17 | bob2 | Horde: dpkg -i blah.deb |
| 06:38.22 | ssm | tnks: what problem are you trying to solve, by the way? |
| 06:38.24 | bob2 | Horde: in practice you don't do that very often tho |
| 06:38.33 | Horde | hmm well taht desent seem to be working |
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| 06:38.53 | bob2 | Horde: that's of no use; you need to show us the error in #flood |
| 06:38.57 | bob2 | Horde: what are yo utrying to do? |
| 06:39.00 | tnks | ssm, just wondering if I can blow the windows partition and grow the ext3 partition to fill the voide. |
| 06:39.09 | Horde | dpkg -i /root/desktop/filename.deb |
| 06:39.19 | Horde | that |
| 06:39.20 | simy | bob2 im still looking at debian.org, but, i did see a thing for sphinx4 unfortunatly my laptops not connected and my dads computer has, that evil thing from microcrap, so, im having alot of trouble surving the web... i had to use putty to login to my server just to get here, lol |
| 06:39.25 | ssm | tnks: That should be doable, but if you want to grow /, you may need to do so from a liveCD |
| 06:39.28 | tcsetattr | tnks, that is very easy if the windoze partition is located immediately after the ext3 partition. Otherwise, not so easy... |
| 06:39.40 | dli__ | Horde, any reason why you couldn't just "apt-get install " ? |
| 06:40.02 | Horde | because it cant find it, even thoughi can see it on the desktop |
| 06:40.06 | bob2 | Horde: no, that's not actually what you're running |
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| 06:40.13 | bob2 | Horde: what are you actually trying to insta;ll? |
| 06:40.17 | dpower | Sox win!!! |
| 06:40.19 | tnks | tcsetattr, that's what I was afraid off. I think the order of my paritions is Windows, Swap, Ext3. |
| 06:40.29 | ssm | tnks: look at the package e2fsprogs, it contains resize2fs |
| 06:40.35 | Horde | gtkpod |
| 06:40.54 | ssm | tnks: you need a way to grow the underlying partition first, without destroying it, though |
| 06:41.00 | bob2 | Horde: which is in Debian |
| 06:41.02 | bob2 | !+info gtkpod |
| 06:41.04 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 06:41.07 | dpkg | gtkpod: (manage songs and playlists on an Apple iPod), section sound, is extra. Version: 0.94.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 490 kB, Installed size: 1972 kB |
| 06:41.08 | bob2 | Horde: sudo apt-get install gtkpod |
| 06:41.16 | rabautz | I want inittab to ract on an other key-combination than ctrl-alt-del. Is this possible |
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| 06:41.53 | Horde | but it cand find the package |
| 06:41.56 | tcsetattr | tnks, you could mke2fs the first one, copy everything to it, then destroy the last one, recreate swap at the end, and then resize the first one to fill the middle. Assuming the sizes permit... |
| 06:42.15 | dli__ | Horde, time for apt-setup :) |
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| 06:42.37 | simy | is there any speed advantages to taking out all the extra stuff in a kernel? |
| 06:42.51 | bob2 | Horde: so, show us the error from apt-get |
| 06:42.53 | liable | tnks: have a google about qtparted. its a partition magic clone. |
| 06:43.01 | bob2 | simy: not on a normal system |
| 06:43.06 | dli__ | simy there's size advantage, but not much, several MB |
| 06:43.16 | Gnea | wtf is a 'normal' system |
| 06:43.23 | simy | lol |
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| 06:43.31 | simy | one thats like mine, but not my friends, lol |
| 06:43.36 | bob2 | Gnea: one with a useful amount of ram |
| 06:43.38 | Horde | E: couldent find package gtkpod |
| 06:43.45 | bob2 | Gnea: if it's an embedded system, you might want to go with a custom kernel |
| 06:43.47 | Gnea | bob2: oh, over 64 megs |
| 06:43.50 | tcsetattr | "normal" systems seem to be ones with too many unused CPU cycles, and too much RAM. |
| 06:43.52 | bob2 | Horde: paste /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood |
| 06:45.41 | Gnea | actually, if you taylor the kernel down and take out a lot of the builtin crap that your specific system doesn't use, it will reduce load time by bypassing those, and reduce communication buffers within the kernel - on many systems i have recompiled kernels like that, especially on workstations, and there has been noticable performance improvements |
| 06:45.46 | simy | I only asked because i have 2 friends who see the flaws in windows (as my old laptop boots up fairly quick, being only a 133 (forgot how much ram)) and theirs take forever to boot into win98, so they switched, but to me there still to slow, ones a panasonic toughbook cf somthing, its just, too slow for me, espically considering i updated to a dell l400 (700 mhz 64 mbs of ram or somthing) |
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| 06:46.56 | Gnea | of course, once you hit the 128-256meg of ram barrier, the performance starts to thin out |
| 06:47.13 | Gnea | that is, of course, on 32bit systems |
| 06:47.16 | dli__ | Gnea what about the 896 barrier? |
| 06:47.20 | Gnea | 64bit is a whole different ballpark |
| 06:47.30 | simy | Gnea: all i know, is the most, is usually a waste of money... :\ |
| 06:47.33 | bob2 | simy: that is unlikely to have anything to do with the kernel |
| 06:47.42 | Gnea | dli__: well once you hit 512 it's all a matter of what you're using it for |
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| 06:47.46 | Horde | cant paste, im insatlling on a different box |
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| 06:47.56 | Gnea | simy: money can't be wasted, it's always there |
| 06:48.02 | simy | bob2: well, i first tried to run kde, lol (i switched it to xfce i think its called) |
| 06:48.10 | simy | Gnea : my money isnt, lol |
| 06:48.23 | dli__ | Gnea: I just installed a 3 GB :( noticed it's quite slow |
| 06:48.23 | bob2 | simy: kde is ridiculously heavy for a pentium 133 |
| 06:48.27 | Gnea | simy: it doesn't get replaced at certain intervals? ;) |
| 06:48.31 | bob2 | Horde: then we can't help you, sorry |
| 06:48.40 | bob2 | Horde: try running apt-setup to get an unfucked sources.list |
| 06:48.41 | Horde | well i i can type it out |
| 06:48.56 | Horde | if i have to |
| 06:48.56 | simy | bob2: i dont even run it, i run fluxbox on my laptop, but on their tower kde was a comfortable switch for them... (her and her husband) |
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| 06:49.02 | Horde | cos id rather this worked |
| 06:49.06 | Horde | :P |
| 06:49.25 | dli__ | bob2: is removing sources.list and apt-setup a good idea for n00bs? |
| 06:49.29 | simy | Gnea : well it gets replaces at half the rate it leaves, im still confused on how thats possible :P |
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| 06:49.36 | Gnea | simy: kde is a 'comfortable' switch for anyone who doesn't understand anything other than point and click |
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| 06:50.00 | Foolio | Hey there :) |
| 06:50.07 | dli__ | Gnea: gnome was quite lite to me, but now, also as crapy as kde |
| 06:50.21 | Gnea | simy: all i know is is that it's a constantly changing beast :) |
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| 06:50.28 | Foolio | Lol me = new too linux :D |
| 06:50.29 | dli__ | Foolio, this nick sounds comfortable to me :( |
| 06:50.31 | simy | Gnea : thats how i started, but, then i broke kde, and had to fix it in the terminal, now when i run fluxbox, i have xmms open and a terminal, its sad.. i dont use the xwindow style editors usually, why should i, i have a terminal window, lol |
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| 06:50.41 | bob2 | dli__: if they're not going to show it to us so we can fix partiular bits, I think so |
| 06:50.56 | Gnea | simy: hehehe exactly |
| 06:51.19 | Gnea | simy: i run e17 like that - most things i do in terminals, i'm much more productive that way |
| 06:51.22 | tcsetattr | fread takes a void *, so it should be fine with any type of pointer |
| 06:51.25 | tcsetattr | oops. |
| 06:51.28 | simy | Gnea : half the time it takes like 5 clicks, to do somthing with one command... my problem usually lies in i dont always know the command i want to use, lol |
| 06:51.40 | liable | loljesus.com |
| 06:51.42 | Gnea | simy: if i have to, i'll run fluxbox, since it's just as sexy |
| 06:51.56 | simy | ill look up e17 :) |
| 06:52.06 | Gnea | !e17 |
| 06:52.06 | dpkg | Don't even think about asking ljlane anything about e17 or efm. see DR17 |
| 06:52.09 | Gnea | !DR17 |
| 06:52.09 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/ |
| 06:52.12 | Gnea | :) |
| 06:52.14 | simy | i had to customize the *** outa fluxbox, becuase i didnt like the way it was when i first installed it, lol |
| 06:52.26 | Gnea | they just added eap configuration to the menu |
| 06:52.29 | simy | well, ok, i got bord of it, but still.... |
| 06:52.34 | beoba | wow |
| 06:52.35 | kneet | Gnea, interesting :) |
| 06:52.39 | Horde | ok |
| 06:52.43 | Horde | i just typed it all out |
| 06:52.53 | Gnea | basically it means now you can take ANY application and assign it whatever icon you want and throw it in a menu or iconbar |
| 06:53.08 | liable | Horde: run apt-setup, then comment the cdrom lines. |
| 06:53.09 | Gnea | it's got a decked out gui for it |
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| 06:53.34 | Horde | uhm comment? |
| 06:53.39 | liable | # |
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| 06:53.47 | kneet | Gnea - I must upgrade my laptop :) - desktop gives odd library missing symbol errors for the same packages :( |
| 06:53.52 | Gnea | there's also a script you can hand whole directories and it'll make 'em all in on fell swoop |
| 06:53.58 | simy | has anybody ran sphinx? |
| 06:53.58 | liable | Horde: and remove the comment from the scurity line. |
| 06:54.03 | Gnea | kneet: d'oh |
| 06:54.04 | Horde | sorry still lost... |
| 06:54.08 | dimir | m0rn! |
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| 06:54.20 | liable | Horde: a # is a comment |
| 06:54.30 | Horde | oh and i need to delete/add them |
| 06:54.31 | liable | well.. |
| 06:54.32 | Horde | gotcha |
| 06:54.43 | Gnea | Horde: what did you type on? |
| 06:54.48 | Gnea | er, out |
| 06:54.53 | dli__ | liable, depends on the language :( |
| 06:54.54 | kneet | Gnea, yeah - annoying. No idea why either. Still - laptop is my main machine |
| 06:54.56 | Horde | in #flood |
| 06:55.01 | varsedangger | ahhh i just installed ubuntu last night and i can't get firefox connected to the internet |
| 06:55.03 | beoba | http://beoba.net/stuff/found/uhoh.png <-- from just now |
| 06:55.05 | Gnea | oh |
| 06:55.10 | Gnea | now you mention it |
| 06:55.24 | ssm | varsedangger: can you ping your gateway and resolve names? |
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| 06:55.37 | varsedangger | how do i do that? |
| 06:55.41 | varsedangger | --- noob |
| 06:55.48 | liable | varsedangger: erm, you want to /j #ubuntu |
| 06:55.58 | simy | Gnea : is there a link to e17 you could send me, specificly somthing with a screen shot :) |
| 06:56.07 | ssm | varsedangger: Hmmm, try #ubuntu, they may help you better. |
| 06:56.12 | Gnea | simy: http://www.get-e.org |
| 06:56.13 | kneet | simy www.get-e.org has some stuff |
| 06:56.31 | simy | k thanks, ill check it out:) |
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| 06:57.01 | wazzles | what is the stock kernel that comes with sarge? |
| 06:57.11 | Horde | uhm well the commenting out the security wont work cos its not connected to the internet |
| 06:57.18 | Gnea | wazzles: 2.4.27 & 2.6.8 |
| 06:57.36 | liable | Horde: well, if you dont have internet, then you need more cdroms. |
| 06:57.52 | Horde | right i got a whole bunch of blank ones |
| 06:58.04 | Gnea | burn! |
| 06:58.34 | varsedangger | ssm: i know how to ping a address, i just don't know what my gateway is... i am pretty sure that it is a resolv.conf problem, i am also having issues with that with my debian 3.1 machiene |
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| 06:58.48 | Horde | but when i try to get the package list from them (im using a windows computer to burn) it cant install from the CD |
| 06:58.52 | simy | Gnea : e17 definatly looks intresting, ill have to take look at it someday |
| 06:58.56 | kneet | Gnea - you use engage with 17? |
| 06:59.06 | Gnea | kneet: i did once |
| 06:59.21 | kneet | Did it work? |
| 06:59.25 | Gnea | it did |
| 06:59.26 | Gnea | :) |
| 06:59.35 | dli__ | Horde I think you'd better burn all sarge installation disks:) and apt-cdrom then |
| 06:59.49 | encompass | how do I commit the changes from hdparm so the stay after boot |
| 06:59.58 | kneet | I get the keyboard hanging (some stuff on the web that this can happen if it is started from sysinit scripts - never got to the bottom of it) |
| 07:00.00 | dli__ | Horde, it would be great if you can do dvd :) |
| 07:00.01 | ssm | varsedangger: If you type "ip route show | grep default", you'll see your default route |
| 07:00.02 | Gnea | there's some stupid method to get it to work, they just don't document it very well |
| 07:00.02 | encompass | the instructions say to change the rc.d file |
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| 07:00.15 | encompass | but I have like a zillion of them, which one? |
| 07:00.32 | Niriven | whats the qt-dev package? |
| 07:00.39 | Gnea | encompass: probably the one with hdparm in it |
| 07:00.48 | pitillo | encompass, edit your /etc/hdparm.conf |
| 07:00.48 | Horde | ugh, well cant do dvd, th ebox installing on has not got one, but is there a way of finding what disks have the packages i want on them? |
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| 07:01.07 | encompass | oh ok |
| 07:01.19 | ruser | what is a a good mirror to use with sarge in apt-get ? for updates |
| 07:01.23 | liable | hrm, whats that factoid? |
| 07:01.24 | dli__ | Horde, burn all :) |
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| 07:01.45 | Gnea | ruser: anything except progeny |
| 07:01.54 | Horde | no but i cant download that much, its like 10 gigs of iso's |
| 07:02.06 | ruser | Gnea, well, i'm looking for a canadian mirror |
| 07:02.21 | Gnea | Horde: download, burn, delete, download, burn, delete, ad nausium |
| 07:02.49 | cievo | all...hello. How do I disable switching between graphic and text consoles? I would like to run only graphical and I would like to disable CTRL+ALT+Fx key switching to text consoles... |
| 07:02.52 | Gnea | ruser: oh you didn't say that in the first place. apt-setup doesn't have any .ca sites? |
| 07:02.55 | Gnea | !mirrors |
| 07:02.56 | dpkg | well, debian mirrors is use apt-setup, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror |
| 07:02.57 | liable | !tell Horde about which cd |
| 07:03.13 | ruser | Gnea thanks |
| 07:03.17 | Horde | lol filespace isnt the prob, cant use more than 10 gigs a month or internet speed goes down to like 2kbps |
| 07:03.18 | Gnea | np |
| 07:03.22 | liable | cievo: in x config iirc |
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| 07:03.48 | Gnea | Horde: well that's gay |
| 07:03.53 | Horde | yep |
| 07:03.56 | cievo | liable: what? |
| 07:04.03 | Horde | dont get xtra as an isp |
| 07:04.13 | Horde | they suck |
| 07:04.14 | Gnea | retawded! |
| 07:04.16 | Gnea | :) |
| 07:04.16 | varsedangger | i'm getting a ping from my gateway |
| 07:04.26 | liable | cievo: its an option in x config |
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| 07:04.32 | Gnea | hrm...retawded...wetawded... we taught it! |
| 07:04.48 | cievo | liable: hmmm...really? I'm blind :) |
| 07:04.53 | citrosack | anyone know how to setup a VNC server using xfce that could help me? |
| 07:05.29 | cievo | liable: thanks ;) |
| 07:06.07 | dli__ | Horde, then, order debian disks :) |
| 07:06.11 | liable | cievo: i know xorg has the option, you would have to google for xfree. |
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| 07:06.36 | cievo | liable: Option "DontVTSwitch" |
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| 07:07.11 | liable | there ya go :) |
| 07:07.23 | cievo | liable: what's the option for xorg? |
| 07:07.52 | cievo | liable: I just want to know ;) |
| 07:08.02 | liable | cievo: never done it, dont know, but i know there is one. |
| 07:08.10 | cievo | liable: :-D |
| 07:08.11 | varsedangger | i was having the same problem with debian 3.1, somebody told me the line to type in to echo blah blah >> to the reslov.conf |
| 07:08.12 | Niriven | i cant seem to find the qt libraries |
| 07:08.16 | Niriven | anyone know what package its in |
| 07:08.29 | xiaogil | In the following expression, how to replace 1 by any number between 1 and 50" ? ~$ cat myfile.txt | grep ^1. |
| 07:08.50 | cievo | varsedangger: man resolv.conf |
| 07:08.53 | tcsetattr | egrep '^([0-9]|[1-4][0-9]|50)\.' |
| 07:09.16 | tcsetattr | uh, I assumed you meant for the dot to be literal. |
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| 07:09.25 | xiaogil | yes |
| 07:09.29 | simy | citrosack: seeing as nobody seemed to reply, i can help google:) |
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| 07:09.46 | citrosack | wow gee thanks |
| 07:09.49 | varsedangger | i did that and i couldn't understand how to fix my problem |
| 07:10.04 | simy | citrosack: its better then nothing :P |
| 07:10.39 | xiaogil | tcsetattr: thanks! |
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| 07:11.00 | simy | citrosack: where are you having problems, or do you just want a step by step guide? |
| 07:11.06 | tcsetattr | I could condense that further... egrep '^([1-4]?[0-9]|50)\.' |
| 07:11.07 | Rydekull | Is there any way so that when you use X remote and terminate the connection, it will remember what was there upon reconnection, kinda like screen but graphical then :) |
| 07:11.14 | hytt | xiaogil> you dont need 'cat' |
| 07:11.19 | sphere | I have created a bridge device with brctl and installed dhcp-relay to get DHCP from the router. the box now gets an IP address, but not internet traffic, nor can it ping the router where it got the dhcpack from. can anyone give me a pointer where to look? |
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| 07:12.12 | tcsetattr | sphere, have you done "ifconfig ethX up" on the individual bridged ports? |
| 07:12.35 | cievo | liable: JFI Option "DontVTSwitch" "boolean" |
| 07:12.46 | liable | heh |
| 07:13.34 | Horde | anyone know any good sound recorders? |
| 07:13.38 | varsedangger | i have a live disk, i was able to brows the net so i opend up the reslov.conf file and copied everything down and restarted and everything is the same... |
| 07:13.45 | sphere | tcsetattr: I created a bridge br0 from wlan0 and eth0 of which I set the IP addresses to 0.0.0.0 |
| 07:14.03 | sep | sphere, the interfaces should not have ip addresses at all |
| 07:14.07 | sphere | afaict the interfaces are up |
| 07:14.09 | loxley | Rydekull: vnc? |
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| 07:14.19 | Rydekull | loxley: it will remember everything? |
| 07:14.33 | loxley | Rydekull: yeah if you start up a session and connect to it |
| 07:14.37 | liable | varsedangger: check the output of route. |
| 07:14.46 | Horde | ok, whats the best sound recorder on the debian CD's? |
| 07:14.57 | sep | sphere, doing the bridge config in the interfaces file is perhaps easier. just make the br0 the only stanca. with the settings for the interface and add bridge_ports wlan0,eth0 also read /usr/share/doc/bridge-utils/* |
| 07:14.59 | mathieu_ | hi, i would like to have a report of virt memory usage by parent process (which sums all the usage of the child processes, unless the memory is shared) |
| 07:15.07 | Guerin | Horde: sox |
| 07:15.15 | Guerin | Horde: err, rec,in sox |
| 07:15.21 | Horde | pardon? |
| 07:15.21 | sphere | sep: well, ifconfig eth0 0.0.0.0 does exactly that right? no ip address show up anymore with /sbin/ifconfig eth0 |
| 07:15.22 | liable | shooz |
| 07:15.35 | varsedangger | yes the output is the same. |
| 07:15.36 | Dasnipa` | sox |
| 07:15.40 | Horde | gotcha |
| 07:15.41 | Dasnipa` | win |
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| 07:15.51 | sep | sphere, ifconfig, verify your br0 have ip settings, and that the other interfacse are up and have no address. brctl show br0 to verify your interfaces are bound to the bridge |
| 07:16.24 | sep | sphere, perhaps i just omit the 0.0.0.0 , and i do it from the interfaces file also so i dont have to do it manualy, |
| 07:16.58 | sphere | it is up, with correct interfaces, but with STP not enabled, trying to see if brctl can tell me more about STP |
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| 07:17.15 | sep | sphere, if you dont use STP you wont need it |
| 07:17.20 | varsedangger | i think i have to change the nameserver. but i don't know how |
| 07:17.32 | cievo | liable: peace |
| 07:17.34 | cievo | all...peace |
| 07:17.36 | cievo | Exit |
| 07:17.47 | sep | varsedangger, edit /etc/resolve.conf |
| 07:18.09 | varsedangger | how do i know what to put there? |
| 07:18.11 | HPS`Fresh | hi all |
| 07:18.16 | simy | hi! |
| 07:18.45 | sphere | Because I don't know a clean way to implement it in /etc/network/interfaces I tried this as root: |
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| 07:19.19 | sphere | ifconfig eth0 0.0.0.0 ; ifconfig wlan0 0.0.0.0 ; brctl addbr br0 ; brctl addif br0 wlan0 ; brctl addif br0 eth0 |
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| 07:19.50 | varsedangger | i allready copied a working resolve.conf over but when i restarted i havd the same one i'll kick it over to flood |
| 07:20.18 | mlewis00 | Does anyone here have the Synaptics Touchpad driver working _well_ ? I could get it working but was unable to get the 'tap to click' to work (i.e. one tap = both a single click and a right mouse button, among other things). |
| 07:20.42 | tcsetattr | /usr/share/doc/bridge-utils/README.Debian should tell you how to do it the Debian way (not that there's anything wrong with what you've done so far) |
| 07:21.37 | sep | sphere, the interfaces example is in the bridge-utils doc |
| 07:21.47 | Horde | does sox have a GUI? |
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| 07:22.04 | mlewis00 | tcsetattr: Thanks, I'll check that out...I had been following the info at http://web.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html :) |
| 07:22.17 | Guerin | Horde: no, that's what makes rec the best sound recorder. |
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| 07:22.53 | Horde | rec now? right, now that isnt installed by default is it? |
| 07:23.05 | Guerin | Horde: rec is part of sox |
| 07:23.09 | Horde | gotchya |
| 07:23.13 | Guerin | Horde: sox is a package; rec is a program. |
| 07:23.32 | sphere | sep: I see it, but basically it is a translation of the cmdline set |
| 07:23.34 | Guerin | Horde: if you want guilicious, audacity is probably the thing for you. |
| 07:23.34 | varsedangger | the command that helped me befoe echoed the results of a nameserver command to /etc/resolv.conf |
| 07:24.10 | varsedangger | the command included a ip addres that was not mine |
| 07:24.36 | Horde | hang on, so how do i run rec? little confused here |
| 07:24.56 | kneet | using .xsession - last line is exec <window manager>. Now - I need to start an app _after_ the manager has started - is there a generic way to do this (with .xsession or similar) or do I need to find a window manager specific way |
| 07:25.07 | Guerin | !fixresolvconf is <reply> ISP fucking with your /etc/resolv.conf file? Don't worry! just do echo -e "nameserver 4.2.2.1\nnameserver 168.126.63.1" > /etc/resolv.conf && chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf; as root, and your problems will be solved (permanently) |
| 07:25.09 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 07:25.29 | Guerin | Horde: type 'rec' |
| 07:25.41 | Guerin | Horde: read documentation if it's unclear |
| 07:25.45 | beardy | Guerin: a n to much? |
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| 07:25.50 | mlewis00 | tcsetattr: bridge-utils is for configuring an Ethernet bridge - not a Synaptics Touchpad...??? |
| 07:25.54 | beardy | Guerin: oh, sorry, nevermind |
| 07:25.57 | kevix | Horde, apt-cache search audio record |
| 07:25.58 | Guerin | Horde: you also need to make sure you have your mixer set right |
| 07:25.59 | tcsetattr | uh, don't blame the ISP because you're dumb enough to tell pppd to "usepeerdns" |
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| 07:26.08 | blame | .. |
| 07:26.18 | varsedangger | Guerin, what does that command do? |
| 07:26.26 | Guerin | tcsetattr: or to correctly edit your /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 07:26.27 | takatumi | or add a prepend statement to dhclient.conf |
| 07:26.54 | Horde | ugh screw it ill go with audacity till i get compitent with linux |
| 07:26.54 | takatumi | man 5 dhclient.conf is a good start. |
| 07:27.03 | Guerin | varsedangger: it sets you up with two nameservers; one in the US and one in korea, and protects /etc/resolv.conf ffrom future alteration |
| 07:27.15 | sphere | tcsetattr: I suppose I didn't do something explicitly wrong, but maybe I have omitted something, the host behind the bridge can't even ping the router/dhcpd |
| 07:27.35 | mlewis00 | tcsetattr: Well, you just directed me to that document to solve a Touchpad problem... |
| 07:27.42 | Guerin | takatumi: i found that dhclient.conf didn't always prepend what I told it to. |
| 07:28.00 | sphere | maybe the routing is broken, but I don't know |
| 07:28.08 | tcsetattr | why would you think I was talking to you? There was an ongoing discussion about bridge-utils. |
| 07:28.09 | fusQuanto | i just upgraded my kernel with apt-get in unstable, and now my sound doesnt work in xmms... i used to use oss wiht no problems.. is this normal? do i have to use alsa ? |
| 07:28.10 | takatumi | Guerin: works here, only one nameserver though. |
| 07:28.25 | Guerin | takatumi: i'm also just lazy |
| 07:28.26 | varsedangger | nice, why korea? and if i ever need to do this agian how will i figure it out? |
| 07:28.26 | varsedangger | btw |
| 07:28.31 | jm_ | kneet: you don't have to start wm last, alternatively, start the app before the wm |
| 07:28.33 | varsedangger | how do i copy in xcaht? |
| 07:28.35 | takatumi | Guerin: :) |
| 07:28.39 | varsedangger | xchat |
| 07:28.46 | Guerin | varsedangger: i just chose ips of nameservers I know to be reliable off the top of my head |
| 07:28.51 | kneet | jm_, app looks for wm and closes if not running |
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| 07:29.05 | mlewis00 | tcsetattr: Oops, sorry - I just woke up :( |
| 07:29.08 | tcsetattr | I know everybody here likes to prefix every statement with "LUSER_I_AM_ADDRESSING: " but I don't like that style of conversation, I'd rather that people just pay attention to what's going on in the channel, and scroll back if they haven't seen enough context to know who's talking to who |
| 07:29.15 | varsedangger | like google? or korea.org? |
| 07:29.16 | Guerin | varsedangger: the first one will be used first; the second is a backup which I expect will be suitably remote from most people if the first fails (which it never should) |
| 07:29.19 | jm_ | kneet: tried the obvious (sleep 5; mystupidapp) & ? |
| 07:29.21 | fusQuanto | l |
| 07:29.24 | Guerin | varsedangger: no. |
| 07:29.39 | beardy | tcsetattr: You do that. Everyone else wont. |
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| 07:29.59 | kneet | jm_, obviously not enough coffee this morning |
| 07:30.07 | jm_ | tcsetattr: most of the lusers can't even follow the conversation if you explicitely address them, let alone without it ;) |
| 07:30.45 | mlewis00 | tcsetattr: No problem...your message came right after my question and I misinterpreted it as an answer :) |
| 07:31.21 | jm_ | I very often do the same and I really hate this - why come join an IRC channel and ask about your problem if you're not even prepared to read the screen |
| 07:31.27 | jm_ | s/come // |
| 07:32.05 | xerophyte | when i call wget -bq i am getting log files how can i avoid the log files |
| 07:32.33 | Guerin | xerophyte: i bet it's documented in man wget |
| 07:32.33 | tcsetattr | well, the term "bridge" does show up in lots of unexpected places |
| 07:32.33 | jm_ | specify the output file with -o |
| 07:32.42 | sphere | :/ |
| 07:32.42 | jm_ | of course it is |
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| 07:33.05 | Guerin | what makes someone type /me $nick is awesome |
| 07:33.07 | Guerin | ? |
| 07:33.13 | beardy | who knows.. |
| 07:33.17 | tcsetattr | sphere, have you tried tcpdump, traceroute... I haven't got the sense that you're really making an effort to see what's wrong |
| 07:33.18 | linh | do you know how can see the manpage of a function ex printf(...) in vim with a control+something_key |
| 07:33.33 | jm_ | linh: yes |
| 07:33.34 | tcsetattr | linh, press K on the word. |
| 07:33.47 | linh | hmm somehow my Ctr +K doesn't work |
| 07:33.47 | Guerin | linh: what? pressing more than one key at a time in vim??!11 SACRILEGE! |
| 07:33.52 | linh | does that related to vimrc ? |
| 07:33.55 | kevix | xerophyte, as j,_ said |
| 07:33.55 | cevizoglu | Guerin, maybe he thought he was you for a minute |
| 07:34.03 | tcsetattr | if you need to see a specific section, use a prefix. (for example "2K" while on the word "write" so you get write(2) and not write(1)) |
| 07:34.04 | Guerin | linh: go and use emacs if you want to press lots of keys |
| 07:34.04 | dli__ | linh: Ctl ] |
| 07:34.12 | kevix | xerophyte, as j,_ said ' -o /dev/null ' |
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| 07:34.25 | tcsetattr | it's not ctrl-K, it's just K |
| 07:34.29 | sphere | traceroute/ping yes, tcpdump no |
| 07:34.33 | ABRAXAS77 | lilo: r u here? |
| 07:34.39 | mlewis00 | OK, that got my attention so I'm wondering if anyone else has had the same problem with a Touchpad or does it generally just work when you follow the documentation? |
| 07:34.42 | ABRAXAS77 | is there any irc cop? |
| 07:34.44 | Guerin | ABRAXAS77: lilo is in #freenode |
| 07:34.45 | beardy | damn.. |
| 07:34.46 | beardy | !r |
| 07:34.46 | dpkg | it has been said that r is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. AND IT'S "ARE", YOU MORONS! |
| 07:34.47 | beardy | !u |
| 07:34.47 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 07:34.56 | Guerin | ABRAXAS77: they live in #freenode, not here. |
| 07:34.59 | sphere | pings don't arrive, traceroute ends in the IP address of the box behind the bridge itself ?! |
| 07:35.22 | tcsetattr | of course R is pronounced "are", how else would you pronounce it? |
| 07:35.26 | ABRAXAS77 | Guerin: what? |
| 07:35.30 | tcsetattr | but not "are" as in "hectare"... |
| 07:35.33 | sphere | I was expecting the traceroute to fail like the ping |
| 07:35.35 | Guerin | ABRAXAS77: what is unclear? |
| 07:35.35 | ABRAXAS77 | Guerin: thnx |
| 07:35.38 | cevizoglu | linh, why are you asking here? ask on #vim, they are very helpful |
| 07:35.43 | linh | hmm you're right i think it's control+K but somehow my vim doesn't do that anymore |
| 07:35.46 | linh | vim people are dead :) |
| 07:35.50 | beardy | tcsetattr: what's the difference? |
| 07:35.52 | linh | there is none alive in that channel |
| 07:35.55 | cevizoglu | linh, what are you talking about? |
| 07:36.02 | Guerin | linh: maybe the emacs raiders got to them |
| 07:36.14 | tcsetattr | "hectare" doesn't rhyme with "are", as far as I know... but it was a bad joke, let's leave it behind. |
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| 07:36.38 | takatumi | mlewis00: you can tweak a lot with synaptics, here's mine for reference.(YMMV) http://gpoppy.org/xorg.conf |
| 07:36.40 | xerophyte | thx -a /dev/null worked |
| 07:36.53 | beardy | tcsetattr: Perhaps it doesn't sound like I thought it did in english then. |
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| 07:38.06 | mlewis00 | takatumi: Thanks, I'll check it out...my main problem is that I can't get the 'tap to click' to work like it should and don't know exactly what parameters to add or tweak in XF86Config-4. |
| 07:38.07 | varsedangger | if i am wanting to just use a stable system should i just copy line for line the sugested sources.list form apt-get or what? |
| 07:38.51 | beardy | varsedangger: What are you using now? |
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| 07:39.04 | tcsetattr | now I've gone and made it worse. the "ARE" rant was berating lusers who shorten the word "are" (plural of "is") to the single letter "R". I was pointing out the ambiguity of the rant, which could have also been berating people who mispronounce the letter "R" somehow, and also that "ARE" could be the unit of area, rather than the plural of "is". All clear now? |
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| 07:39.37 | kevix | varsedangger, apt-spy |
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| 07:39.55 | varsedangger | i just installed ubuntu and i un commented every one that they had |
| 07:40.02 | varsedangger | kevix, what does that do? |
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| 07:40.10 | terrencevak | I'm working as root, and for some reason, I'm getting /dev/null: permission denied. |
| 07:40.15 | beardy | tcsetattr: Area is A, isn't it. No, much unclearer. |
| 07:40.30 | BibTeX | what is the package that installs aclocal? |
| 07:40.30 | beardy | tcsetattr: Let's forget it, as you suggested. |
| 07:40.36 | BibTeX | is it libtools? |
| 07:40.36 | tcsetattr | beardy, one "are" is 100 square meters. 100 ares is a hectare :) |
| 07:40.37 | kevix | varsedangger, apt-cache show apt-spy |
| 07:40.48 | sep | terrencevak, and you have ofcouse checked the permisions of /dev/null ? |
| 07:40.51 | beardy | tcsetattr: Oh, ok. |
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| 07:41.24 | terrencevak | sep: I chmod'ed it to a=rwx. |
| 07:41.46 | terrencevak | sep: "chmod a=rwx /dev/null" |
| 07:41.55 | Guerin | varsedangger: #ubuntu |
| 07:42.05 | sep | terrencevak, are you chrooted ? |
| 07:42.16 | kevix | BibTeX, automake ? |
| 07:42.17 | varsedangger | ok |
| 07:42.17 | dpower | !ubuntu |
| 07:42.18 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 07:42.23 | terrencevak | sep: Yes, I am. |
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| 07:42.39 | sep | terrencevak, read if this aplies to you http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Dev_null_permission_denied |
| 07:42.51 | beardy | tcsetattr: Then I understand you. |
| 07:42.58 | BibTeX | kevix: or autoconf |
| 07:43.07 | BibTeX | kevix: I will try both |
| 07:43.15 | Horde | uhm where would i find the LAME library |
| 07:43.15 | BibTeX | kevix: thank you though |
| 07:43.16 | Horde | ? |
| 07:43.22 | infinity1 | k. bored of #asterisk. whats going on here |
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| 07:44.39 | kevix | BibTeX, I used 'apt-file' and if you are looking for /usr/bin/aclocal-$VER where VER=1.4,1.6,1.7,... then its automake$VER |
| 07:44.41 | varsedangger | Guerin, thankyou thankkyou thankyou for answering my question earlier |
| 07:45.13 | BibTeX | kevix: thx man |
| 07:45.46 | kevix | Horde, LAME is non-free currently. so go to the marillat site |
| 07:45.59 | xerophyte | with wget can you download all the file from a html file which have specific extension if so how |
| 07:46.00 | beardy | Horde: /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 07:46.04 | mlewis00 | takatumi: Why is 'Load "synaptics"' commented out in your modules section? I thought you needed that to make it work? |
| 07:47.23 | takatumi | mlewis00: works commented here, try it otherwise if it doesn't. |
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| 07:47.33 | kevix | xerophyte, I usually use a shell script (bash, awk, sed,wget) |
| 07:47.33 | lxIT | hello everyone |
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| 07:48.03 | HPS`Fresh | lxIT i am |
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| 07:48.11 | beardy | !polls |
| 07:48.12 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 07:48.29 | mlewis00 | takatumi: Hmmm, oh well...the docs say you need that...strange <shrug> |
| 07:48.47 | beardy | There they were, the militant badgers.. :) |
| 07:48.56 | lxIT | beardy: oke, refrase my question ;) |
| 07:49.07 | kevix | lxIT, please ask question. |
| 07:49.12 | sphere | wel meh |
| 07:49.31 | dpower | What is linux? |
| 07:49.32 | lxIT | my firefox hangs when loading page using Java |
| 07:49.53 | sphere | according to http://bridge.sourceforge.net/faq.html bridging doesn't work(?) with wlan cards bc the firmware doesn't allow for spoofing of the source address. |
| 07:50.07 | sphere | or some chipsets anyway |
| 07:50.18 | sep | lxIT, disable java. |
| 07:50.45 | kevix | dpower, why do you ask? |
| 07:50.45 | beardy | dpower: http://kernel.org/ |
| 07:50.54 | sep | lxIT, or run firefox from console so you can look for errors there. |
| 07:50.58 | dpower | hehe |
| 07:51.15 | lxIT | sorry, can't read highlighted text (= irssi theme fuckedup, gotta fix that first) |
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| 07:51.44 | terrencevak | sep: I did what they said, short of those Knoppix specific commands. (I don't want to do anything Knoppix with that system. |
| 07:52.21 | terrencevak | sep: But am still getting the denied permissions. |
| 07:52.55 | HPS`Fresh | listen, d00ds :) i have just remember. i have build kernel, and after this i`ll just want to compile nvidia drivers. so it says somethin like "you kernel src are not soutces of kernel you are running now" |
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| 07:53.10 | tcsetattr | wait a minute... Knoppix? permission denied? this is that "mounted the hard drive from KDE and it got the nodev flag" issue again... |
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| 07:53.48 | HPS`Fresh | ohad, yea.. kernerl src was patched to support mppe |
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| 07:54.01 | sep | tcsetattr, no i dont think he runs knoppix, but i gave him the url so he could check if he did something similar on his system |
| 07:54.26 | terrencevak | sep: I don't think that's what I did though. |
| 07:54.28 | HPS`Fresh | what can it be? |
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| 07:55.30 | dpower | What is the meaning of life? |
| 07:55.45 | freenik | this is a debian channel |
| 07:55.48 | kevix | dpower, what is a troll! (you, I guess) |
| 07:56.09 | dpower | haha, im just bored and drunk....SOX WIN!!! |
| 07:56.21 | freenik | dpower, sience & development & love :x |
| 07:56.34 | nerdy2 | go sox! |
| 07:56.51 | dpower | ahh another chicagoan |
| 07:56.56 | dpower | SOX WIN! |
| 07:57.28 | fusQuanto | worst WS ever |
| 07:57.34 | dpower | not for us ;)) |
| 07:57.47 | dpower | and even though we swept those rednecks... |
| 07:57.53 | dpower | they were some prett damn good games |
| 07:58.39 | dpower | ahh, ur from san antonio |
| 07:58.41 | dpower | booo hoooo |
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| 08:01.14 | lxIT | hello, back again |
| 08:01.18 | cevizoglu | lol |
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| 08:02.58 | opqdonut | i'm installing debian from a NOEL setup with debootstrap. when i try to run base-config in chroot, all i get is "Terminated" and an exit code of 143 |
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| 08:03.49 | lxIT | sorry to repeat, but couldn't read your answers: my firefox hangs when loading page with java. I installed JRE1.5 and made symlink |
| 08:03.53 | tarzeau | fusQuanto: yes? |
| 08:04.18 | some_dude | yea, is there a file that controls java's secuity and sockets |
| 08:04.27 | opqdonut | any ideas? |
| 08:04.29 | dpower | !beer dpkg |
| 08:04.51 | some_dude | I've got a java app that won't walk |
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| 08:05.08 | lxIT | some_dude: dunno, chmod 777 on JRE-dir didn't help |
| 08:05.09 | dli__ | some_dude, won't run or won't walk? |
| 08:05.22 | terrencevak | How can I clear a busy /mnt/... device? |
| 08:05.31 | some_dude | won't talk |
| 08:05.53 | some_dude | it won't do sockets |
| 08:05.55 | hcy | does /dev/hda1 start at the beginning of /dev/hda, or is there some other stuff beforehand? I'm asking because I have an image of an old /dev/hda2 which I'd like to put at the beginning of my new /dev/hda and call /dev/hda1. can I just dd it in? |
| 08:06.16 | some_dude | the client won't connect to the server |
| 08:06.21 | dli__ | hcy: repartitioning? |
| 08:06.38 | hcy | dli__: sort of |
| 08:07.07 | jm_ | hcy: no it doesn't start at the beginning - it starts where the partition table says it starts |
| 08:07.22 | some_dude | does debian come with a firwall ? |
| 08:07.22 | ssb | hcy, there are mbr (one 512 byte sector) and boot zone (one "cylinder") before /dev/hda1 |
| 08:07.29 | hcy | jm_: so how can i figure out what offset to give dd |
| 08:07.43 | some_dude | is there a way that my net might be filtered ? |
| 08:07.44 | hcy | ssb: how much will that be in total then? |
| 08:07.50 | ssb | hcy, varies |
| 08:08.25 | ssb | hcy, type fdisk -u -l |
| 08:08.31 | dli__ | some_dude, for n00bs, apt-get install bastille psad |
| 08:08.46 | some_dude | is that a firewall |
| 08:08.48 | kevix | some_dude, there is not default firewall installed. you can choose one to install. |
| 08:08.52 | fusQuanto | tarzeau: all is good :) nm |
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| 08:09.03 | hcy | ssb: ok, what should i look for there? |
| 08:09.05 | some_dude | any idea why this won't connect, it seems like it won't even try |
| 08:09.12 | some_dude | there is no timeout when looking for the server |
| 08:09.24 | tarzeau | fusQuanto: good |
| 08:09.29 | dli__ | some_dude, it guides to to protect your system, step by step, more than just a firewall |
| 08:09.48 | some_dude | i don't want my system protected |
| 08:10.06 | some_dude | i want my app to connect |
| 08:10.29 | dli__ | some_dude, you want to remove any possible existing firewall? |
| 08:10.35 | some_dude | no |
| 08:10.39 | some_dude | it's a fresh install |
| 08:10.45 | some_dude | only vnc and java |
| 08:10.57 | lxIT | to uninstall JRE > just delete /usr/share/JRE1.5 (installdir) + symlink? |
| 08:10.58 | jm_ | hcy: like I said, partition table has the start field |
| 08:11.13 | dli__ | some_dude, then, bastille and psad is quite natural for you |
| 08:11.29 | hcy | jm_: how do i read it, then? |
| 08:11.37 | ssb | hcy, in a row beginning from "/dev/hda1" there will be 6 columns: device name ("/dev/hda1"), boot flag (may be empty), start sector (sectors are 512 byte units), end sector, total nomber of 1K (1024 byte) blocks, and filesystem type |
| 08:11.45 | dli__ | hcy, fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 08:11.53 | jm_ | hcy: you have been told already |
| 08:12.11 | hcy | ah, but at the moment i have no /dev/hda1 . I'm trying to put one in with dd, and want to know where to tell dd to put it |
| 08:12.25 | opqdonut | i'm installing debian from a NOEL setup with debootstrap. when i try to run base-config in chroot, all i get is "Terminated" and an exit code of 143 |
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| 08:12.48 | dli__ | hcy: why use dd? if you ask for dd, no, you don't want to use it |
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| 08:13.01 | dli__ | terrencevak, haha |
| 08:13.05 | hcy | dli__: oh, but i do :) |
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| 08:13.23 | prueba | hola |
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| 08:13.31 | dli__ | terrencevak, the worst experience of mine, /dev was chmod to 700 :( |
| 08:13.43 | prueba | hay alguien hay coño |
| 08:14.46 | ssb | hcy, then you should either guess or figure out by starring at hexdump :]. if fdisk tells that your disk has "NN sectors/track" then, probably, /dev/hda1 starts at 63th sector. |
| 08:15.23 | hcy | ssb: i believe you're right |
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| 08:17.52 | some_dude | ok Im back |
| 08:18.12 | some_dude | this stupid program creates so many sockets it's hard to know which is the main one |
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| 08:18.33 | ssb | hcy, hmm, btw, why you don't just create /dev/hda1 of required size with a convention tool (like fdisk or cfdisk) and then dd if=image of=/dev/hda1 ? |
| 08:18.56 | robin_sz | doods, whats the apt-get magic to force an install, overwriting anything on the way ...?? |
| 08:19.07 | hcy | ssb: yeah, that would be the easy way :) hold on, gotta run my daughter to preschool |
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| 08:20.16 | lxIT | fyi > I installed JRE 1.4.2 and it works perfect |
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| 08:21.09 | RompeRatones | i've installed the java+netbeans bundle and works too |
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| 08:22.40 | robin_sz | ahh, ffs, apt-get remove asterisk-config and then install STILL doesnt actually write anything to /etc/asterisk .... |
| 08:22.47 | robin_sz | bollocks. |
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| 08:24.47 | crashbg | does anyone know good LAN host monitoring system with tree branch-like WEB interface? |
| 08:25.27 | robin_sz | OK, so ... having removed with apt-get remove every asterisk-* package and then installed them, WTF is the /etc/asterisk dir still empty? |
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| 08:25.42 | jm_ | robin_sz: read the FAQ |
| 08:25.45 | lxIT | RompeRatones: which version did you use? |
| 08:25.50 | tcsetattr | you need to reinstall with --force-confmiss |
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| 08:26.26 | RompeRatones | lxIT: 1.5.0_o5 |
| 08:26.32 | robin_sz | jm_, ok , one other question .. why is this file unreadable |
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| 08:27.56 | robin_sz | tcsetattr, thanks. |
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| 08:28.26 | torc | tg3 is servicing my broadcom hp nic fine, but there is a special broadcom linux driver available both from hp and broadcom. should i use it or the tg3 one? |
| 08:28.53 | Shadur | Stick with the kernel driver unless you have crucial pressing reason not to. |
| 08:29.09 | terrencevak | dli__: So how did you got /dev out of 700? How did you figure out it was at 700 to begin with? |
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| 08:29.20 | terrencevak | dli__: er, get |
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| 08:29.43 | robin_sz | tcsetattr, sadly, apt-get seems not to understand the --force-confmiss option |
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| 08:30.23 | lxIT | RompeRatones: strange, don't get that one working on my box |
| 08:30.30 | robin_sz | i think you just made that up :) |
| 08:31.09 | tcsetattr | well, dpkg understands it. you figure out how to get the .deb and dpkg -i --force-confmiss |
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| 08:31.43 | robin_sz | tcsetattr, ok, not used dpkg, only ever used apt-get ... |
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| 08:32.32 | poison | Hi all, I've a question about my custom kernel. I can't make it detect ICH5 while the standard kernel detects it correctly on boot. Any idea's? I compiled with Intel ICH support |
| 08:33.11 | jm_ | robin_sz: which file? |
| 08:33.14 | poison | does the standard kernel 2.4.27 contains some patches? |
| 08:33.25 | robin_sz | so where exactly does apt-get download packagaes to |
| 08:34.03 | torc | how do i know my current elevator? |
| 08:34.16 | robin_sz | jm_, the one in the FAQ |
| 08:34.44 | RompeRatones | lxIT: i've installed the netbeans pack on the /opt directory and jre on /usr/java ....then just followed the instructions on /usr/java/jdk1.5.0_05/README.html |
| 08:36.02 | Rs-Final | salut |
| 08:36.02 | Rs-Final | c koi ici ? |
| 08:36.16 | jm_ | robin_sz: the FAQ mentions several files, what FAQ are you talking about? you can find the URL in the topic |
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| 08:38.19 | Luftzig_ | the Xorg logs says my mouse ain't working, and won't start the X, although it is. Anyone has an idea? |
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| 08:38.58 | crashbg | Luftzig_: /dev/input/mice |
| 08:38.58 | litage | how do i configure syslog to log debug messages? |
| 08:40.19 | achaoge | how to make hylafax to use pam? |
| 08:40.28 | Luftzig_ | crashbg, and what do I look for there? |
| 08:40.36 | terrencevak | If I get crwxrwxrwx when I do "ls /dev/null -l", would that cause the permission denied error? |
| 08:41.00 | terrencevak | And how would I fix it if need be? |
| 08:41.37 | scruffy | poison: are you talking about ICH5 sound, or some other function? I have all aspects of ICH5 working fine in 2.6.x. |
| 08:41.57 | poison | scruffy : ICH5 sata driver |
| 08:41.59 | achaoge | !hylafax |
| 08:42.06 | poison | ICH5: IDE controller at PCI slot 00:1f.2 |
| 08:42.11 | poison | this one :) |
| 08:42.13 | poison | (in dmesg) |
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| 08:42.35 | poison | isn't detected in my custom kernel |
| 08:42.36 | some_dude | i don't thin my java app can create a socket |
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| 08:43.15 | some_dude | netstat does not return me anything |
| 08:43.51 | scruffy | poison: Ah, might not be supported in 2.4, not positive. Seems like there's a.... http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html (Ctrl+F for ICH5). I use plain ol' IDE, so I didn't experience what you have. |
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| 08:44.16 | nova500 | hi, what is the best filesystem i can use for a database? |
| 08:44.17 | scruffy | poison: ..so I take back the 'all aspects' comment. :) |
| 08:44.36 | poison | What's a Ctrl+F ? |
| 08:45.09 | scruffy | poison: I just meant 'Find' in whatever you're using to browse with, assuming it's not telnet. :D |
| 08:45.13 | beardy | poison: He means you should search, in your browser. |
| 08:45.23 | poison | ah, lol :) |
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| 08:45.53 | poison | tnx |
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| 08:47.18 | Luftzig_ | ok, great, there is a file named mice. but what I'm suppose to do with it? there are files named mouse[0-3] there, too |
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| 08:50.47 | mlewis00 | Where should I start to set up ACPI on a laptop on Debian Sarge? |
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| 08:52.59 | mlewis00 | takatumi: Well, that got it working a little better but still not right on the 'tap to click'...but I'm going to take a break from that now and try to get the power management working...Thanks for the help :-) |
| 08:53.25 | poison | scruffy: yeah well, my system works without the ICH5 being detected but it runs much more slower than if it really is detected |
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| 08:57.11 | nova500 | hi, what is the best filesystem i can use for a database? |
| 08:57.41 | scruffy | poison: did you check this out? http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html#intel-ich5 (did you try the piix driver? CONFIG_SCSI_ATA_PIIX=y) |
| 08:58.16 | scruffy | poison: me dmesg -> ata1: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0xEC00 ctl 0xE802 bmdma 0xDC00 irq 177 |
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| 08:59.18 | nomad_cz | Hi. What does it mean when NUT (ups) says - Voltage boost ... ? |
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| 08:59.55 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 09:00.15 | tcsetattr | (just guessing) it might mean that the power supplied by your local utility has dropped below acceptable voltage level, and the UPS is "boosting" it to correct it |
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| 09:00.25 | nomad_cz | tcsetattr: I see |
| 09:00.30 | tengulre | I wrote a shell script and copy it in path /etc/init.d , I want runing it when boot machine, how to do? |
| 09:00.50 | nomad_cz | tcsetattr: So can I ignore ot ? |
| 09:00.55 | nomad_cz | it |
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| 09:01.10 | tcsetattr | when a guy tells you he's just guessing, don't ask followup questions |
| 09:01.10 | poison | scruffy: CONFIG_SCSI_ATA_PIIX=y indeed |
| 09:01.22 | nomad_cz | tcsetattr: ;) |
| 09:01.34 | scruffy | poison: how about CONFIG_BLK_DEV_PIIX=y also |
| 09:01.42 | nomad_cz | tcsetattr: Thanks anyway ... |
| 09:01.43 | tengulre | hi! anybody can help me? |
| 09:01.56 | Luftzig | xorgcnf ends with msg (EE) xf860OpenSerial: No devices specified. anyone can translate? |
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| 09:02.13 | poison | scruffy: indeed |
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| 09:03.01 | some_dude | ok, one last time, if i put the server and the client on Windows, it connects, but the client on linux it won't connect, if i put the server on linux it won't connect, if i put the server and the client on linux it wont' connect |
| 09:03.07 | poison | scruffy: I'm using software raid1 (md) but that shouldn't make any difference, does it? |
| 09:03.08 | majkel | anyone have a good knowledge of scsi cables ?? |
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| 09:03.25 | majkel | will hd dsub cable work the same as dsub ? |
| 09:03.25 | some_dude | it's java |
| 09:03.26 | majkel | i mean |
| 09:03.36 | some_dude | i should work the same on window as linux |
| 09:03.36 | majkel | hd is for high density, right ? |
| 09:03.37 | scruffy | poison: Okay, all I've got is to try any other suggestions at that page. And yeah the raid might make a difference. |
| 09:04.38 | Guerin | some_dude: the 'Write Once Run Anywhere' myth |
| 09:04.43 | poison | you can call me blind but I don't see any suggestions on that page it says only something about a raid driver that intel gpl'ed |
| 09:05.14 | M23 | hmmm. is the dpkg bot not working? |
| 09:05.34 | Guerin | !where are you |
| 09:05.35 | poison | do you know if the standard kernel contains some specific patches for sata? |
| 09:06.02 | Guerin | M23: apparently not |
| 09:06.04 | scruffy | poison: "Intel ICH5 / ICH5-R family chips \u2014 fakeraid. (See fakeraid support details under Intel ICH6.)" |
| 09:06.25 | scruffy | poison: I don't use SATA, so my knowledge is limited.. ymmv |
| 09:06.32 | tengulre | I wrote a shell script and copy it in path /etc/init.d , I want runing it when boot machine, how to do? |
| 09:06.52 | poison | scruffy: ok thanks for you help! |
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| 09:07.15 | tengulre | how to understand /etc/rc2.d/S10sysklogd file? why is S10 not S22,S30.... |
| 09:07.21 | M23 | anyone know an apt surce for gnome 2.12 for sarge? |
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| 09:07.34 | Guerin | tengulre: they're run in order; 00 to 99 |
| 09:07.41 | Guerin | M23: no. |
| 09:08.44 | Guerin | tengulre: you want to read /etc/init.d/README and skeleton |
| 09:09.02 | Eclipser | hmm |
| 09:09.06 | M23 | as in there isn't one or you don't know of one or no one knows of one? |
| 09:09.33 | Eclipser | dpkg is broken? it's not answering to my queries :p |
| 09:09.40 | Guerin | M23: there's not one that I know of. |
| 09:10.02 | Guerin | Eclipser: it happens now and again. |
| 09:10.05 | M23 | yeah. the bot appears to be not working. |
| 09:10.06 | bibe | tengulre : you might also read update-rc.d man page |
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| 09:10.29 | Guerin | Eclipser: ask apt or ravenbird, they know some of the same stuff |
| 09:10.42 | Eclipser | yeah I did |
| 09:11.43 | Luftzig | ok, I started xorgconfig to configurate everything, and it asks me what is te device name my mouse is connected to. how do I find out? at /dev/input theres like mice & mouse0 'till mouse3 |
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| 09:12.08 | dli__ | Luftzig, for 2.6 kernel, /dev/input/mice |
| 09:12.09 | Guerin | Luftzig: never use xorgconfig |
| 09:12.16 | Guerin | !drxx Luftzig |
| 09:12.20 | Guerin | bah |
| 09:12.24 | Luftzig | Guerin, why? |
| 09:12.25 | Guerin | ~drxx Luftzig |
| 09:12.36 | Guerin | Luftzig: because it breaks dpkg-reconfigure |
| 09:12.50 | Guerin | Luftzig: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is the better way |
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| 09:13.14 | Luftzig | ok, i'll try it first. thaks |
| 09:13.43 | Guerin | Luftzig: if you've already run xorgconfig and saved changes, or otherwise edited org.conf manually, you'll need to reset the md5sum |
| 09:13.44 | M23 | ahhh. the bots are bloking messages from unregistered users at the moment |
| 09:13.56 | Guerin | M23: i'm registered, and I can talk to them |
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| 09:14.20 | M23 | I am registered, but it's denying me access with my password. |
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| 09:16.43 | Eclipser | M23, you mean nickserv registered? |
| 09:16.49 | M23 | yeah.... |
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| 09:17.08 | poison | heh, on my new kernel it displays ata_piix version 1.03 and then ata_piix: combined mode not supported |
| 09:17.08 | M23 | now for some reason it's saying my password is incorrect. |
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| 09:17.22 | Eclipser | M23, what is? nickserv? :) |
| 09:17.28 | M23 | yeah |
| 09:17.28 | Guerin | M23: some passwords got reset to old ones a few days ago |
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| 09:17.33 | Eclipser | dpkg isn't answering to me but apt is |
| 09:17.40 | Guerin | M23: try your previous pass |
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| 09:18.00 | M23 | now I've got to remember it.... |
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| 09:19.33 | coywolf | what are imagic inodes? |
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| 09:20.17 | kang | where can you find help for makeing packages when its not in the little debian howto ? like fixing lintian errors etc. google isnt very helpful today. |
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| 09:33.42 | encompass | hello again |
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| 09:34.12 | encompass | in fedora core with gnome I was able to see my usb stick as soon as I put it in... why not now? |
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| 09:34.54 | encompass | I have debian now... just to inform you |
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| 09:36.15 | encompass | Is anyone here? |
| 09:36.17 | _SerhaT_ | there is a tool to do that for you.. forgot it's name.. |
| 09:36.20 | tcsetattr | nope. |
| 09:36.29 | RompeRatones | usbmount ? |
| 09:36.54 | hytt | hald ,hal,usbmount,pmount,pmount-hal |
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| 09:37.47 | hytt | a icone appear in desktop when you connect your usb key, and auto-unmount it when you disconnected it |
| 09:37.50 | huron_ | hi all, do you guys have tested openoffice2 (just entered unstable) ... I know unstable is "unstable" but do guys have thoses horribly big fonts in menu ? |
| 09:37.56 | Luftzig | wish me luck, starting the X again |
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| 09:39.26 | Luftzig | no luck, screens' configuration is wrong... :( |
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| 09:40.07 | Guerin | Luftzig: configure them right. |
| 09:40.24 | Guerin | Luftzig: use hwinfo --monitor to find out which resolutions and refresh rates will work |
| 09:40.37 | Guerin | Luftzig: and JUST SAY NO to the kernel framebuffer |
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| 09:42.17 | An_Idiot | I have done the dumbest thing ever. As soon as I recognized the sheer stupidity of what I had done, I started crying uncontrollably for some reason. |
| 09:42.34 | An_Idiot | I had just installed a 32 bit userland to dchroot into last week |
| 09:42.39 | yam | should my single 2.4GHz Xeon HT server kernel show two CPU's on /proc/cpuinfo? |
| 09:42.42 | An_Idiot | I decided I no longer needed it |
| 09:42.56 | An_Idiot | so I deleted it |
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| 09:43.07 | An_Idiot | but it turns out that I had the directories confused |
| 09:43.18 | Guerin | An_Idiot: you are an idiot |
| 09:43.24 | An_Idiot | and I just deleted whatever wasn't in use already |
| 09:43.32 | An_Idiot | from / |
| 09:43.34 | An_Idiot | on up |
| 09:43.44 | An_Idiot | lol |
| 09:43.49 | Guerin | An_Idiot: reinstall |
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| 09:43.52 | An_Idiot | I've stopped crying now, but damn. |
| 09:43.58 | An_Idiot | yea, it's reinstalling |
| 09:44.01 | An_Idiot | christ. |
| 09:44.24 | An_Idiot | I was doing a practice exam for my calculus exam tommorow, and I guess I wasn't paying attention |
| 09:44.31 | An_Idiot | christ. |
| 09:44.57 | poison | ok I have a suggestion for everybody who has problems with intell's 6300ESB on custom kernels. Install the 072_6300esb_sata patch from the kernel-patch-debian-2.4.27 package and it works fine |
| 09:45.15 | An_Idiot | I haven't cried that hard since I accidentally had a fishing hook through my thumbnail when I was five |
| 09:45.24 | An_Idiot | it was incredible. |
| 09:45.35 | Luftzig | so, my mouse device name is not /dev/input/mice... any other suggestions? |
| 09:45.39 | Guerin | An_Idiot: see, backups make idiots not cry. |
| 09:45.48 | Guerin | Luftzig: /dev/psaux may work |
| 09:45.52 | An_Idiot | yea, I have everything backed up |
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| 09:45.58 | An_Idiot | on an external drive |
| 09:46.03 | Guerin | An_Idiot: so what's the problem? |
| 09:46.08 | An_Idiot | but I have to reconfigure *everything* |
| 09:46.09 | Luftzig | sounds familiar... I think i once used it. |
| 09:46.21 | An_Idiot | this week and the next are exam weeks |
| 09:46.29 | An_Idiot | I haven't slept in like 3 days |
| 09:46.34 | RompeRatones | /dev/psaux ? |
| 09:46.34 | An_Idiot | it's just a very bad situation all around |
| 09:46.36 | An_Idiot | lol |
| 09:46.48 | An_Idiot | ugh |
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| 09:47.04 | Guerin | An_Idiot: priorities |
| 09:47.09 | Guerin | An_Idiot: hint: irc is not one |
| 09:47.14 | An_Idiot | yea |
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| 09:47.21 | An_Idiot | christ, I don't know what I'm thinking |
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| 09:47.43 | An_Idiot | my train of thought isn't followable by my conscious mind |
| 09:47.46 | An_Idiot | ugh |
| 09:47.51 | deeLer | i've installed xorg and xdm .... when xdm runs, screen goes black and returns to console .... startx works and launches windowmaker .... what's wrong ? |
| 09:47.59 | lestest | hi there, what ports do I have to open for squid? |
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| 09:48.25 | Guerin | lestest: whichever ones you open |
| 09:48.32 | theUg | Hi everyone. I'm trying to install linux using boot CD and internet install. It asks for an IP adress, where do I get it? |
| 09:48.37 | Guerin | lestest: read the config file. And don't say 'default' |
| 09:48.39 | petemc | lestest: most often 3128 |
| 09:48.54 | lestest | petemc and not 3130,32992 |
| 09:49.08 | Guerin | theUg: what does it want the ip address for? |
| 09:49.22 | lestest | petemc: those should be on only contactable by lo right? |
| 09:49.28 | theUg | Forinternet install repository |
| 09:49.31 | dimir | theintern: you should know it. Unless you use dhcp. |
| 09:49.35 | petemc | lestest: it depends what you want to do with it.. |
| 09:49.36 | dimir | theUg too |
| 09:49.44 | Luftzig | well, it's not /dev/psaux. is there any harm in trying every possibility on the list untill one works? |
| 09:49.50 | Guerin | theUg: what installer are you using |
| 09:49.59 | Guerin | Luftzig: yes, because it won't work |
| 09:50.02 | dimir | Luftzig: what's the kernel? |
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| 09:50.07 | Guerin | Luftzig: how do you know it's your mouse? |
| 09:50.11 | Luftzig | dimir, 2.8.6 |
| 09:50.17 | dimir | whatta? |
| 09:50.22 | dimir | 2.8 is out? |
| 09:50.27 | Guerin | ... |
| 09:50.28 | dimir | :-P |
| 09:50.34 | theUg | it says linuxrc v 1.9.16 |
| 09:50.39 | dimir | Luftzig: then it's /dev/input/mice |
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| 09:50.43 | theUg | It's for SUSE |
| 09:50.46 | dimir | Luftzig: just load the driver for it. |
| 09:50.54 | Guerin | theUg: so ask #suse |
| 09:50.55 | Luftzig | guerin, cause the X logs says so. |
| 09:51.01 | dimir | Luftzig: and it will create the device |
| 09:51.03 | Guerin | Luftzig: what do they say? |
| 09:51.06 | theUg | There's no one there now :) |
| 09:51.14 | cia | lo i have installed samba and swat but i dont know how i start the swat service anyone can help? |
| 09:51.26 | Guerin | theUg: so? We don't know. That's why we're not in #suse. |
| 09:51.27 | some_dude | how can i lower the secuirty of java |
| 09:51.38 | dimir | Luftzig: what's the mouse? |
| 09:51.38 | some_dude | i want java to have full acess |
| 09:51.44 | Luftzig | xf860OpenSerial: cannot open device /dev/input/mice |
| 09:51.47 | Guerin | some_dude: that's the stupidest thing I've heard anyone in ehre say all day |
| 09:51.55 | Guerin | some_dude: #java |
| 09:52.02 | dimir | Luftzig: of course, your kernel does not support it. |
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| 09:52.06 | Guerin | theUg: you can install debian instead |
| 09:52.14 | dimir | Luftzig: what's the fscking mouse? |
| 09:52.24 | Guerin | Luftzig: ok. how does your mouse plug in? |
| 09:52.28 | Luftzig | sdimir, it's a flatron something |
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| 09:52.33 | some_dude | Guerin how is that stupid, i think that my java is not fully able to access my tcp/ip network |
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| 09:52.54 | Guerin | some_dude: don't use java apps -> problem solved |
| 09:53.04 | some_dude | i don't have a choice |
| 09:53.04 | RompeRatones | try on bash: cat /dev/psaux and move your mouse ... if you get action that's your mouse |
| 09:53.12 | Guerin | some_dude: it's stupid because, if you don't know how to do it, you shouldn't be doing it. |
| 09:53.15 | The_Vulture | some_dude: when you run a Java app by default there is no security manager.. |
| 09:53.16 | dimir | RompeRatones: it's 2.6, damn it! |
| 09:53.18 | theUg | Guerin: maybe later at some point. I'm goofing around now anyway. Replacing my old RedHat 9 |
| 09:53.28 | Guerin | theUg: ok. We don't care. |
| 09:53.28 | The_Vulture | some_dude: what's your actual problem.. |
| 09:53.40 | some_dude | I've got a client program that won't connect to the server |
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| 09:53.53 | theUg | duh |
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| 09:54.01 | The_Vulture | some_dude: that's vague and useless.. |
| 09:54.03 | some_dude | on XP it works, but the same .jar file won't connect under linux |
| 09:54.08 | Luftzig | ok, I'll try. and by the way, can I scroll back messages in ircII? the manual talks about averything but using the program |
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| 09:54.19 | Guerin | Luftzig: goddamn, just answer my question |
| 09:54.26 | The_Vulture | some_dude: again, vague and useless |
| 09:54.31 | Guerin | Luftzig: and pgup/pgdn might do it |
| 09:54.37 | Luftzig | Guerin, I'm sorry, ask again |
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| 09:54.43 | Guerin | Luftzig: ok. how does your mouse plug in? |
| 09:54.54 | Guerin | some_dude: what program might be a start |
| 09:55.03 | some_dude | it's called springcharts |
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| 09:55.05 | HPS`Fresh | how can i make AWK write 12185200000000 and not 12185e+8? |
| 09:55.06 | The_Vulture | Guerin: what error would be more interesting |
| 09:55.07 | Luftzig | Guerin, tried them... they don't well, I'll check sometime. |
| 09:55.13 | Guerin | some_dude: is it in debian |
| 09:55.21 | lestest | petemc: what are they for? |
| 09:55.22 | tcsetattr | uh, the usual scrolling chars in ircii are meta-p and meta-n |
| 09:55.22 | Guerin | Luftzig: WTF |
| 09:55.24 | some_dude | no it's closed souce |
| 09:55.26 | dimir | Luftzig: is it USB mouse? |
| 09:55.33 | Luftzig | Guerin, it uses the round PS/2 thingy |
| 09:55.59 | Guerin | some_dude: so give us a reason why you're asking in #debian, since debian neither supports braindead sun java nor your braindead proprietary java app |
| 09:56.03 | Guerin | Luftzig: ok. modprobe psmouse |
| 09:56.11 | Guerin | Luftzig: NOW we're getting someplace |
| 09:56.26 | some_dude | I thought i might be a debian security setting |
| 09:56.29 | Luftzig | sure, I'll try. brb |
| 09:56.34 | Guerin | some_dude: nope. |
| 09:56.58 | some_dude | there is no reason the app should not be working, it the same .jar file works on XP |
| 09:57.24 | Guerin | some_dude: unless the thing just doesn't work under linux. Ask the vendor. |
| 09:57.27 | Luftzig | Guerin, does modprobe should say anything? |
| 09:57.37 | dimir | nothhing is fine |
| 09:57.42 | Guerin | Luftzig: if it says nothing, it worked. |
| 09:57.48 | dimir | but see if /dev/input/mice is there now |
| 09:57.51 | some_dude | Guerin it's sold to run on Windows, Mac or linux |
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| 09:58.04 | Guerin | some_dude: so complain to the people you bought it off that it ain't |
| 09:58.16 | Guerin | some_dude: you paid money, you should get support, right? |
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| 09:59.07 | some_dude | hmm, you have been more help in the last 2 mins than support has in the last 6 months |
| 09:59.07 | Guerin | some_dude: rather than whining to us, who 1) you didn't pay any money; 2) don't know the first thing about the app in question; 3) don't support sun java because it's proprietary |
| 09:59.11 | Guerin | some_dude: more fool you for paying them. |
| 09:59.34 | humbolt | what can be the source of my ftp problem? I cannot make a decent transfer. It stalls all the time. Could this be a firewall passive ftp issue or such? |
| 09:59.50 | some_dude | I didn't pay them, I was scream, and yelled, and said not to buy it, but i don't write the checks |
| 09:59.55 | Guerin | humbolt: could be any number of reasons. More data necessary. |
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| 10:00.07 | Guerin | some_dude: sucks to work where you do. |
| 10:00.11 | Luftzig | /dev/input/mice was there all the time. |
| 10:00.14 | some_dude | yea |
| 10:00.21 | Guerin | Luftzig: any difference? |
| 10:00.47 | Luftzig | Guerin, just a sec |
| 10:01.23 | some_dude | just to make sure I'm doing this right, i java -jar <filename.jar> yes ? |
| 10:01.30 | encompas1 | I turned on HALD but still no USB stick in the Computer windows under gnome... what do I do now? |
| 10:01.45 | Guerin | some_dude: ask #java |
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| 10:02.04 | Guerin | encompas1: ask #debian-gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 10:02.05 | deeLer | i've installed xorg and xdm .... when xdm runs, screen goes black and returns to console .... startx works and launches windowmaker .... what's wrong ? |
| 10:02.07 | Luftzig | Guerin, no change. |
| 10:02.13 | encompas1 | ok thanks |
| 10:02.16 | Guerin | encompas1: or you could wait here ... but good luck. |
| 10:02.21 | Luftzig | still quits with the same msg |
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| 10:02.28 | some_dude | I'm going take my bosses way of handling problems like this, I'll just add more ram |
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| 10:02.32 | Guerin | Luftzig: what message? |
| 10:02.38 | Guerin | some_dude: hahaha |
| 10:03.11 | Luftzig | xf860OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice |
| 10:03.12 | humbolt | Guerin: Transfer of one large file seems to be ok. |
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| 10:03.41 | BriajWrk | hi all |
| 10:03.57 | encompas1 | hi there |
| 10:04.30 | Guerin | "Boss, the RAID array in server #3 is full. We need more storage!" "Ok, I'll order some. Hello? Crucial? You sell memory, right? Yeah, I need some. How much? <Hey, how much more do you need?> Ok, we need about ... 200 gigabytes. Yeah, in 4GB sticks sounds fine. Thanks." |
| 10:04.58 | BriajWrk | i have etch installed... but i would like to install amd64 packages... could i install them changing sources.list only? |
| 10:05.11 | Guerin | humbolt: ok. it may be a firewalling issue with passive. Make sure the right ports are forwarded. |
| 10:05.14 | Guerin | err, opened |
| 10:05.21 | Guerin | BriajWrk: ask #debian-amd64 |
| 10:05.29 | BriajWrk | thank you Guerin |
| 10:06.03 | Guerin | Luftzig: try /dev/psaux again |
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| 10:06.12 | Guerin | Luftzig: this should be working |
| 10:06.15 | humbolt | Guerin: It is a firewall, no NAT and it appears to work with large files, but gets messed up with lots of small ones. |
| 10:06.24 | Guerin | Luftzig: you might also modprobe usbhid |
| 10:06.36 | Guerin | humbolt: that means nothing to me |
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| 10:07.07 | olczyk | Hey all. THere is a module I want to apply a patch to and compile. Do I have to compile the whole kernel? (Debian sarge). |
| 10:07.16 | humbolt | Guerin: neither to me, that's why I ask stupid questions here |
| 10:07.27 | Nick_Hill | !km800 sarge |
| 10:07.29 | Guerin | olczyk: no. read the doc to make-kpkg |
| 10:07.39 | Guerin | humbolt: talk to the admin |
| 10:07.45 | Luftzig | Guerin, ok |
| 10:07.51 | Nick_Hill | !sarge |
| 10:08.04 | Guerin | Nick_Hill: dpkg called in sick earlier |
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| 10:08.20 | Nick_Hill | Guerin, Ahh. Makes sense. |
| 10:08.20 | EdLin | @sarge |
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| 10:09.05 | EdLin | darned, what's this channel without the bots! They always have the smartest comments. |
| 10:09.30 | Nick_Hill | TEN HUT! |
| 10:09.44 | encompas1 | huh? |
| 10:09.49 | encompas1 | !moo |
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| 10:10.05 | Luftzig | Guerin, why usbhit? |
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| 10:13.11 | mjk64 | If I say "aptitude install orpie=1.4.1-3" on Debian current stable, I get a large list of packages "kept back" - how can I reset the keep-flag for all of these. Using "dpkg -l" lists only packages with status "ii", not "ih". Why this inconsistency? How can I fix that, e. g. by resetting the keep-flag for all these packages? |
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| 10:13.37 | mjk64 | (Argh, irssi cmd line editing doesn't work as expected! :-) |
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| 10:17.03 | kevix | hi |
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| 10:17.46 | tcsetattr | try asking aptitude to tell you why it's doing what it's doing |
| 10:18.09 | tcsetattr | aptitude -PD install ... |
| 10:18.17 | Luftzig | I noticed something wierd: eac time I start dpkg-reconfigure, I get a msg about Gnome cannot be initiated (I'm not sure how it goes in english, the msg is half-hebrew) |
| 10:19.04 | mjk64 | tcsetattr: trying that ... |
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| 10:21.17 | Guerin | Luftzig: usbhid is a usb input device module - dometimes it's needed for mousey stuff |
| 10:21.21 | Guerin | Luftzig: try also mousedev |
| 10:21.23 | mjk64 | tcsetattr: aptitude -PD install shows the kept-back list (and only that) and asks me to continue. Can I enter ':' at the continue?-prompt to toggle keep-state? Or does "kept back" actually mean "Hold"? |
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| 10:22.11 | tcsetattr | try doing "aptitude install foo", where foo is one of the held-back packages, see what it says about that. |
| 10:22.18 | mjk64 | ok |
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| 10:25.22 | mjk64 | tcsetattr: Same list (without "foo" this time), and it says "The following pkgs will be upgraded: foo bar2 bar3 bar4 bar5 bar6; 5 pkgs upgraded, 0 newly inst., 0 to rem. and 138 not upg. Need to get 9745kB of archives. ... Do you want to continue?". Btw.: foo (here: adduser) is already installed. |
| 10:25.45 | mjk64 | tcsetattr: (forget bar6) |
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| 10:27.19 | tcsetattr | so you have stuff that needs upgraded? |
| 10:27.32 | mjk64 | tcsetattr: How can I check? |
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| 10:28.37 | mjk64 | tcsetattr: btw., I also have unstable and testing in sources.list, if that matters. So far, I installed pkgs using "aptitude install -t stable foo" |
| 10:29.04 | tcsetattr | that's what it looks like to me... |
| 10:29.57 | tcsetattr | perhaps you're trying to install something that requires a bigger commitment to testing or unstable. |
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| 10:30.06 | mjk64 | tcsetattr: orpie 1.4.1-3 is (according to apt-cache policy orpie) in both testing and unstable, and only differs regarding the dependencies, which have been fixed in 1.4.1-3 |
| 10:30.16 | Luftzig | and I remain clueless... |
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| 10:30.29 | DJ-Marcuzz | hello |
| 10:30.30 | XMLeditor | I have heard that OpenOffice 2.0 can read XML, but does it contain an XML editor? |
| 10:31.02 | DJ-Marcuzz | whatsthe command in debian to change the ata/dma settings of your disk? |
| 10:31.44 | mjk64 | tcsetattr: Hm. But for example, "aptitude install adduser" lists "pppoeconf" as pkg which has been kept back - and I don't think pppoeconf is in any way related to adduser. Err, or is it? %-) |
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| 10:32.22 | tcsetattr | adduser is probably related to a lot of things |
| 10:32.58 | tcsetattr | what about if you do aptitude install -t stable adduser |
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| 10:33.10 | mjk64 | tcsetattr: at least, adduser only depends on perl-base, passwd, and debconf, according to apt-cache show adduser. |
| 10:33.26 | mjk64 | tcsetattr: trying ... |
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| 10:33.33 | XMLeditor | does anyone know if OpenOffice 2.0 can be used as a structured XML editor? |
| 10:34.46 | EdLin | XMLeditor: if it can save to UTF8 text files it could, but you'll probably find emacs, vim, or a few other programmer's editors a better fit. |
| 10:34.50 | Eclipser | is cron-apt any good for automatic updates or is there an alternative? |
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| 10:35.12 | mjk64 | tcsetattr: A-haaa! It did basically nothing (0/0/0/7 upg./newly inst./to rem./not upg.). Okay, now I'll try "-t stable orpie=1.4.1-3", although 1.4.1-3 is from testing/unstable ... |
| 10:35.18 | Eclipser | a friend of mine is thinking of setting up debian on his parents' box and he wants it to automatically update itself |
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| 10:36.02 | XMLeditor | EdLin: I myself use emacs, but I am studying to offer a tool for non experienced users, let's say linguists, for marking parts of text |
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| 10:37.28 | EdLin | XMLeditor: maybe texmacs or lyx and make the original markup TeX rather than XML. |
| 10:37.39 | EdLin | (though it can be converted to XML) |
| 10:38.11 | dli__ | EdLin, I use lyx, is texmacs as good as lyx? |
| 10:38.17 | Luftzig | |
| 10:38.25 | DJ-Marcuzz | how do i get out of the man pages when i did man lvcreate? |
| 10:38.26 | EdLin | dli__: texmacs is heavier-weight than lyx. |
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| 10:38.48 | EdLin | DJ-Marcuzz: if you're using the less pager type q |
| 10:38.49 | dli__ | EdLin, does it generate legitimate tex like lyx? |
| 10:38.51 | XMLeditor | EdLink: I was asked to study the possibility of offering an easy tool for persons to mark, let's say historians mark old texts or something |
| 10:38.56 | mjk64 | tcsetattr: Okay, it refuses to install orpie from testing/unstable, because it has unmet dependencies (libncurses-5.4.5, but only 5.4-4 is installed). So this looks like I have to "pollute" my stable system more than I wanted, and that's just because orpie from stable has a broken "Depends:". Grmf. But thanks for the "-P" parameter for aptitude, that was what I was missing, too! :-) |
| 10:38.57 | DJ-Marcuzz | thx |
| 10:38.59 | EdLin | dli__: AFAIK yes |
| 10:39.16 | XMLeditor | EdLin: I was asked to study the possibility of offering an easy tool for persons to mark, let's say historians mark old texts or something |
| 10:39.42 | tcsetattr | it's not necessarily "broken" just because testing has a newer libncurses. testing will diverge from stable, more and more, until the next release. Mixing releases doesn't work well. |
| 10:40.03 | dli__ | EdLin, sounds interesting, I will try |
| 10:40.08 | XMLeditor | EdLin: the idea is to get plain text, mark things in it, then save as XML and process to extract infomation or viewing, TEX is not adequate for this |
| 10:40.17 | Luftzig | |
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| 10:40.50 | Luftzig | ~ |
| 10:40.51 | mjk64 | tcsetattr: doesn't work well means: better don't install testing-libncurses, although libncurses itself is probably not broken, right? |
| 10:40.56 | DJ-Marcuzz | and what was het command to make an reiser fs file system? |
| 10:41.08 | XMLeditor | EdLin: my question is, if using styles and filters, OpenOffice can act as a structured editor hidden to the user, but I have never liked this hiding structure |
| 10:41.26 | mjk64 | DJ-Marcuzz: mkreiserfs? Just guessing (from SuSE) |
| 10:41.36 | lobz | i'd like to use this cool'n'quiet stuff with my amd64 cpu on sarge with the default 2.6.8-2-k7 kernel, but when i load the powernow-k8 module i get this message in the kernel log: powernow-k8: BIOS error - no PSB. The CnQ is enabled in the bios. |
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| 10:42.13 | DJ-Marcuzz | works |
| 10:42.24 | mjk64 | DJ-Marcuzz: great =) |
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| 10:43.12 | DJ-Marcuzz | owke, and how to change dma settings in linux? |
| 10:43.25 | DJ-Marcuzz | in freebsd its atacontrol |
| 10:43.38 | EdLin | DJ-Marcuzz: hdparm |
| 10:43.38 | mjk64 | DJ-Marcuzz: hdparm |
| 10:43.43 | DJ-Marcuzz | owke |
| 10:44.12 | mjk64 | DJ-Marcuzz: Are you switching from FreeBSD to Linux? |
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| 10:46.00 | DJ-Marcuzz | no, windows to linux, but got the freebsd command from a friend of mine |
| 10:46.19 | DJ-Marcuzz | ad why when i give this command: mount /dev/my_volume_group/my_logical_volume /mnt it asks about an file system type :S |
| 10:46.36 | PerfDave | DJ-Marcuzz: Which Linux distro are you installing? |
| 10:46.39 | Guerin | DJ-Marcuzz: there's noo substitute for reading manpages |
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| 10:47.16 | DJ-Marcuzz | debian |
| 10:47.51 | PerfDave | DJ-Marcuzz: Not Ubuntu or anything? |
| 10:48.12 | DJ-Marcuzz | nope |
| 10:48.21 | syntaxx | is there a way i could fixed up my X? i dunno what happen awhile ago my X works just fine but when i restarted my X cant load but i saw the nvidia splash screen i cant even go to console because it hangs.. what should i do? |
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| 10:48.26 | DJ-Marcuzz | and now my screen is flooded by driveraidy seek compleet errors |
| 10:48.40 | Guerin | syntaxx: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg; choose nv |
| 10:48.43 | DJ-Marcuzz | what the f*ck are those errors :S |
| 10:48.59 | syntaxx | Guerin: i cant even do that |
| 10:49.04 | Guerin | DJ-Marcuzz: why did you fuck with hdparm? |
| 10:49.06 | Guerin | syntaxx: why not? |
| 10:49.11 | olczyk | I can't seem to find any documentation on make-kpkg. |
| 10:49.13 | DJ-Marcuzz | i did not yet |
| 10:49.20 | Guerin | olczyk: it's in man make-kpkg |
| 10:49.22 | syntaxx | Guerin: cant go to console.. it hangs i dunno why |
| 10:49.32 | Guerin | syntaxx: boot into recovery mode |
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| 10:49.50 | syntaxx | Guerin: thats the problem im in lilo |
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| 10:50.17 | compDo | Is there any way to change the font size in a running xterm session? |
| 10:50.20 | Router_hh | i obtain this error -> cupsd: Child exited with status 98!? any idea |
| 10:50.26 | DJ-Marcuzz | im having those error now for a week, and tryng every day to fix it, but i cant :( |
| 10:50.33 | tcsetattr | compDo, by using the font menu... |
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| 10:50.54 | Guerin | syntaxx: put init=/bin/sh on the end of your append line |
| 10:51.03 | compDo | tcsetattr, how to I get it? |
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| 10:51.07 | tcsetattr | compDo, I think there is also an escape sequence for it in case you need to do it from a program.. |
| 10:51.11 | Mr_Smoke | huh ... dpkg's lagged out ? |
| 10:51.20 | Guerin | Mr_Smoke: yes |
| 10:51.22 | DJ-Marcuzz | could someone please help me fix it? :( |
| 10:51.23 | Mr_Smoke | ah damn :/ |
| 10:51.41 | tcsetattr | compDo, the font menu is the third menu, I think... Ctrl+Button3. If that's not it, hold down Ctrl and push all the buttons until you get the right menu. |
| 10:52.03 | syntaxx | Guerin: boot on cd netinst? |
| 10:52.06 | PerfDave | DJ-Marcuzz: It'd help if you told us what the *exact* error message was. And tried googling for it, natch. |
| 10:52.07 | compDo | tcsetattr, thx, it's Ctrl+Button3 |
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| 10:52.24 | mjk64 | DJ-Marcuzz: Tried to give the exact file system type to the mount command? |
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| 10:52.36 | Mr_Smoke | well I got a question here ... I'm trying to prevent a specific module from being loaded (namely i2c-nforce2) ... but even if i add a "skip" statement in discover.conf and add an entry to hotplug's blacklist ... the module ends up being loaded ... how ? by whom ? |
| 10:52.36 | PerfDave | Heh, changing font sizes in xterm was one reason I moved to Konsole ;) |
| 10:52.55 | mjk64 | DJ-Marcuzz: mount -t reiserfs /dev/foogroup/barvolume /mnt |
| 10:53.09 | Guerin | syntaxx: no |
| 10:53.13 | Guerin | syntaxx: do what I told you |
| 10:53.22 | EdLin | you can make xterm whatever style of font you want in a resource file. |
| 10:53.26 | tcsetattr | you couldn't read a fscking man page and learn to use xterm, so you installed a few gigs of bloat. |
| 10:53.34 | mjk64 | PerfDave: Hm? Changing font sizes in xterm works for me ... what's wrong with it? |
| 10:53.36 | tcsetattr | now if you wanted to change to one that's not on the menu, that's a more interesting question |
| 10:53.44 | DJ-Marcuzz | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:53.47 | Guerin | tcsetattr: not fair ... konqueror only requires a few hundred MB |
| 10:53.55 | PerfDave | mjk64: I never figured out how to do it. I like konsole better anyway :) |
| 10:54.16 | mjk64 | PerfDave: Shift-NumPlus/Minus (SuSE) |
| 10:54.16 | Mr_Smoke | ok i'll rephrase the question then ... what, apart from discover, hotplug, and obviously /etc/modules, is responsible for debian loading modules ? |
| 10:54.18 | PerfDave | Guerin: Yeah, and konsole itself is only half a meg :) |
| 10:54.22 | lestest | what is the difference between random and urandom? |
| 10:54.34 | PerfDave | mjk64: Like I say, I like konsole better anyway :) |
| 10:54.57 | jm_ | lestest: read devices.txt |
| 10:54.59 | mjk64 | lestest: random: guaranteed randomness, urandom: only pseudo-randomness, if entropy pool is empty |
| 10:55.03 | mjk64 | PerfDave: ok =) |
| 10:55.14 | lestest | thankz :) |
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| 10:55.26 | Mr_Smoke | damn :/ |
| 10:55.28 | syntaxx | Guerin: but how? i cant type on my console =/ |
| 10:55.35 | Guerin | syntaxx: goddamn |
| 10:55.49 | Guerin | syntaxx: hit the fucking power button, when you see the lilo screen, hold shift |
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| 10:56.22 | DJ-Marcuzz | there is no cammand clled hdparm :S |
| 10:56.24 | syntaxx | Guerin: ok thanks |
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| 10:56.33 | PerfDave | DJ-Marcuzz: Install it? :) |
| 10:56.38 | Mr_Smoke | DJ-Marcuzz, get it ? |
| 10:56.39 | Mr_Smoke | uh |
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| 10:57.25 | mjk64 | lestest: "man urandom" has a bit (not lot) more detailed explanation |
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| 10:57.55 | lesshaste | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:57.58 | lesshaste | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:58.15 | Router_hh | hello, i obtain this error with cup --> cupsd: Child exited with status 98!? anyone can help me |
| 10:58.30 | Mr_Smoke | lesshaste, --no-recursion ? |
| 10:58.50 | lesshaste | Mr_Smoke, that isn't in man tar is it? |
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| 10:58.58 | Mr_Smoke | lesshaste, it is in mine |
| 10:59.09 | lesshaste | Mr_Smoke, ! ... which tar? |
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| 10:59.26 | Mr_Smoke | lesshaste, 1.14-2 |
| 10:59.39 | tcsetattr | I would think that tar --no-recursion is about creating, not extracting |
| 10:59.46 | Luftzig | I do not assume "GTK: cannot open display: /[some very long path]/Gnome" has something to do with my problem? |
| 10:59.48 | lesshaste | right |
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| 11:00.17 | tcsetattr | splattering a bunch of files in the current directory is usually considered rude. the kind of thing you expect from PKUNZIP.EXE... |
| 11:00.17 | lesshaste | it can't be a rare request |
| 11:00.26 | lesshaste | tcsetattr, I know.. but I want it :) |
| 11:00.36 | PerfDave | lesshaste: Why not just extract the files, and move them into the current directory with mv? |
| 11:00.42 | Mr_Smoke | lesshaste, how about giving it a try anyways |
| 11:00.50 | tcsetattr | actually, I've never heard that request before. And I've been on unix IRC channels telling people how to run "tar xvf foo.tar" off and on for 10 years |
| 11:01.01 | mjk64 | lestest: Maybe "--strip-components=NUMBER strip NUMBER leading components from file names" - haven't tried it, though. |
| 11:01.06 | lesshaste | PerfDave, ok... can you give me a hint? find .|xargs mv . ? |
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| 11:01.17 | lesshaste | mjk64, you need to know the number of components |
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| 11:01.51 | PerfDave | lesshaste: man find is your friend, but it'll be something like "find directorytarballextractedto/ -type f -exec mv -v {} . \;" I imagine |
| 11:02.02 | tcsetattr | hey, that sounds like a winner! --strip-path |
| 11:02.15 | DJ-Marcuzz | ok i turnd off dma and trying again now |
| 11:02.31 | Mr_Smoke | hm so .... |
| 11:02.33 | mjk64 | tcsetattr: Huh? Which version of tar? |
| 11:02.33 | DJ-Marcuzz | at leased i think i turnd it off |
| 11:02.54 | lesshaste | hmm.. my tar is more basic that yours it seems |
| 11:02.56 | tcsetattr | 1.14, but I haven't tried it, I just saw it in the --help |
| 11:03.00 | jm_ | mjk64: it's in info pages, not in the man page |
| 11:03.04 | PerfDave | Bah, --strip-path isn't in the manpage |
| 11:03.06 | tcsetattr | it's not in the man page |
| 11:03.08 | PerfDave | But it is in tar --help |
| 11:03.19 | lesshaste | tcsetattr, aha! :) |
| 11:03.39 | mjk64 | tcsetattr: --strip-path is 1.14-version of newer "--strip-components", according to 1.15 manpage. |
| 11:03.45 | mjk64 | tcsetattr: info page, even. |
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| 11:04.03 | DJ-Marcuzz | this means dma is off?: |
| 11:04.04 | DJ-Marcuzz | /dev/hdb: |
| 11:04.04 | DJ-Marcuzz | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:04.05 | tcsetattr | I wish someone would teach RMS to stop worrying and love the man pages. |
| 11:04.09 | Mr_Smoke | DJ-Marcuzz, obviously |
| 11:04.13 | DJ-Marcuzz | owke |
| 11:04.19 | mjk64 | lesshaste: well, just try "--strip-components=999", then. Give it a try. |
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| 11:05.22 | Mr_Smoke | right, so what in heaven's sake is responsible for loading modules at boot time |
| 11:05.23 | lesshaste | mjk64, unrecognised option `--strip-components=999' |
| 11:05.31 | mjk64 | lesshaste: then use --strip-path=999 |
| 11:05.42 | Mr_Smoke | i have *nothing* that *tells* my system to load forcedeth or i2c-nforce |
| 11:05.44 | Mr_Smoke | still, it does |
| 11:05.46 | lesshaste | tar: You must specify one of the `-Acdtrux' options |
| 11:05.49 | lesshaste | :) |
| 11:05.49 | tcsetattr | you might as well make that into some kind of diff between the --help and the man page, it won't be just one option that's missing |
| 11:05.53 | Mr_Smoke | and pisses me right off too |
| 11:06.00 | lesshaste | mjk64, I am a little confused "tar --strip-path=999 xvzf pgf-1.00.tar.gz" |
| 11:06.04 | lesshaste | why is that wrong? |
| 11:06.16 | mjk64 | lesshaste: it's still wrong? |
| 11:06.23 | tcsetattr | when you use any other options before your "xvf" stuff, it gets seen as a filename. Put a -xvzf in there instead. |
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| 11:06.23 | mjk64 | lesshaste: unrecognised option or what? |
| 11:06.25 | Mr_Smoke | if anyone has a clue, i'd be quite glad :/ |
| 11:06.29 | lesshaste | it says "tar: You must specify one of the `-Acdtrux' options" |
| 11:06.34 | mjk64 | tcsetattr: ah, yer rite |
| 11:06.48 | lesshaste | :) |
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| 11:07.02 | lesshaste | nothing got extracted at all :) |
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| 11:07.05 | lesshaste | it removed everything |
| 11:07.08 | Mr_Smoke | heh |
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| 11:07.25 | lesshaste | back to man find... :( |
| 11:07.40 | DJ-Marcuzz | owke i give up, it keeps flooding me with error i do not understand "driveraidy seekcompleet database error" |
| 11:07.49 | tcsetattr | do you at least see the basic problem that you can get collisions between same-named files? |
| 11:07.57 | xoz | Mr_Smoke: aside from hotplug and discover, it's possible initrd image loaded those modules during boot |
| 11:08.04 | lesshaste | tcsetattr, who me? |
| 11:08.18 | lesshaste | tcsetattr, yes of course. I am not suggesting everyone does this :) |
| 11:08.19 | PerfDave | DJ-Marcuzz: Try googling for that error. Or getting your system to report errors in English, and then googling for it :) |
| 11:08.20 | tcsetattr | yeah, if you take a bunch of files that are not meant to be in the same directory, and move them there... |
| 11:08.38 | DJ-Marcuzz | it is english |
| 11:08.38 | Mr_Smoke | xoz, AH ! that's a *very* good point ... and probably the very reason too ... not sure how I'll overcome this though :( |
| 11:08.51 | Mr_Smoke | apart from making my own custom initrd |
| 11:09.01 | DJ-Marcuzz | but i need the damn space 2 days ago, i gotta go bak to windows :( |
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| 11:09.18 | xoz | Mr_Smoke: you can configure what initrd image has to load. edit /etc/mkinitrd/modules |
| 11:09.20 | tarzeau | RichiH: LOL |
| 11:09.32 | tcsetattr | you can mount the initrd and make minor changes to it |
| 11:09.40 | Mr_Smoke | xoz, i wasn't aware of that (*shock*) thanks a bunch |
| 11:09.42 | xoz | Mr_Smoke: but you have to create a new image... problem is, it may not be the culprit. |
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| 11:09.54 | Mr_Smoke | tcsetattr, ok, i'll see about that too |
| 11:10.00 | Mr_Smoke | xoz, well I'll have to try :) |
| 11:10.15 | xoz | Mr_Smoke: you loop mount initrd image and check what modules are there loaded. |
| 11:10.16 | hotzen | is there any way to find processes belonging to a specific ssh-connection?? |
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| 11:10.43 | lesshaste | thx all in any case |
| 11:10.44 | The_Vulture | hotzen: lsof perhaps.. |
| 11:10.59 | hotzen | The_Vulture, i give it a try .) |
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| 11:11.19 | Router_hh | i obtain this error with cup --> cupsd: Child exited with status 98!? y only find this --> Another process is using the port that cupsd listens to (default 631). It might be the rpc.rquotad deamon. Either disable this deamon or make sure cupsd starts before nfs. ----- can help me with this |
| 11:11.19 | jm_ | or pstree |
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| 11:12.29 | PerfDave | Router_hh: You can use "netstat -nlp" to see whether another process is using port 631? |
| 11:12.41 | lesshaste | find /the/dir/your/untared/to -type f -exec mv {} $PWD \ |
| 11:12.41 | lesshaste | :) |
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| 11:13.20 | mjk64 | lesshaste: Better use "mv -i". |
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| 11:13.31 | Mr_Smoke | xoz, no luck :( there is no reference whatsoever to any of the modules I want blacklisted |
| 11:14.04 | Router_hh | thanks PerfDave |
| 11:14.08 | lesshaste | too many files for that but thx |
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| 11:15.13 | mjk64 | lesshaste: too many files for that?? |
| 11:15.29 | mjk64 | lesshaste: So there are a lot of file name collisions? |
| 11:15.38 | lesshaste | mjk64, oh I see.. it doesn't prompt for each file :) my mistake |
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| 11:16.02 | mjk64 | lesshaste: ah, okay =) |
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| 11:16.44 | Mr_Smoke | this is most unnverving |
| 11:17.59 | PerfDave | And the same goes for the Debian tar maintainer |
| 11:19.13 | mjk64 | PerfDave: info pages content is often excellent, but the frontend is ... err ... something you have to get used to. |
| 11:19.36 | N0S3 | that it happens to the google? |
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| 11:20.11 | avdyk | hi |
| 11:20.15 | lesshaste | sadly many apps have neither man pages nor info pages these days |
| 11:20.34 | EdLin | mjk64: [x]emacs21 has a slightly better info page viewer than info |
| 11:20.39 | avdyk | how can I startx on another DISPLAY? |
| 11:20.47 | jm_ | and there are even many more people who don't bother reading them even if they do |
| 11:20.49 | avdyk | I got Xorg on a Sid chroot |
| 11:20.49 | lesshaste | take kile for example. An excellent and well developed applicaiton |
| 11:20.58 | PerfDave | mjk64: pinfo makes info pages vaguely usable. But still, to find command-line options for tar, you have to pick the correct three links and then find them split over three seperate pages. |
| 11:21.14 | PerfDave | mjk64: Whereas with a manpage you can just scroll. |
| 11:21.24 | avdyk | I'd like to start gdm on another display |
| 11:21.33 | lesshaste | PerfDave, I think some of the file browsers do man pages too.. maybe konqueror? |
| 11:21.39 | jm_ | then you have to configure gdm to do that |
| 11:21.40 | lesshaste | file managers |
| 11:21.42 | avdyk | so I could have F7: gdm "Sarge"; F8: gdm "Sid" |
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| 11:21.54 | N0S3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:21.59 | PerfDave | lesshaste: I wouldn't use Konqueror to read a manpage, I have man ;) |
| 11:22.05 | N0S3 | www.google.com ----> not working |
| 11:22.08 | lesshaste | PerfDave, I mean to read an info page |
| 11:22.18 | lesshaste | www.google.se ? :) |
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| 11:22.31 | PerfDave | lesshaste: *shrug* I can use pinfo if I have to, it's just not as good for reference as reading a manpage :) |
| 11:22.36 | lesshaste | but in any case...they are all dying |
| 11:22.54 | lesshaste | if kile can't even be bothered to have one then I think that is the beginning of the end |
| 11:22.56 | SimonRaven | PerfDave: searching is also easier |
| 11:23.02 | hotzen | if i understand the manpage of lsof correct the command "lsof -i4TCP ipo.ip.ip.ip shall give me the files opend from that ip adress. am i right? but lsof complains about an error |
| 11:23.36 | Mr_Smoke | avdyk, dunno about gdm but if you "startx -- :1" you get a new X on "F8" as you say |
| 11:23.48 | SimonRaven | -i is for port, and you need :XXXXX |
| 11:24.04 | SimonRaven | lsof -n -i :port_num |
| 11:24.06 | jm_ | you can also say -i tcp |
| 11:24.08 | avdyk | Mr_Smoke: thanks |
| 11:24.19 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 11:24.21 | hotzen | [46][protocol][@hostname|hostaddr][:service|port] |
| 11:24.25 | PerfDave | And guess what, the BTS for tar is full of unanswered bugs. Oh, wait, I forgot that it's a Debian package ;) |
| 11:24.29 | SimonRaven | ah |
| 11:24.38 | hotzen | so i tried to give IPV4 with 4 and TCP for protocol |
| 11:24.43 | olczyk | OK. Correct me if I'm wrong, if a compile a module I might as well compile the kernel, because I will do the same amount of work. |
| 11:24.56 | SimonRaven | ipv4 is probably the default |
| 11:24.58 | avdyk | Mr_Smoke: it's what I was looking for, thanks |
| 11:24.59 | hotzen | that is fully functional but i have 2 ssh sessions for the same user |
| 11:25.02 | PerfDave | olczyk: Wrong :) |
| 11:25.16 | hotzen | and i want to see what the user owning one of them is doing ... |
| 11:25.39 | SimonRaven | for ssh sessions, you can use w/who |
| 11:25.49 | lesshaste | and tar can't even be bothered to put all its arguments into the man page! |
| 11:25.49 | PerfDave | hotzen: You can strace the pid of the ssh session? |
| 11:25.52 | lesshaste | I mean.. tar! :) |
| 11:25.58 | olczyk | Ok. So what don't I have to do. |
| 11:26.03 | PerfDave | lesshaste: File a bug :) |
| 11:26.07 | PerfDave | olczyk: Compile the kernel :) |
| 11:26.24 | hotzen | PerfDave, yes i can determine wich pid the ssh session i want to observe has |
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| 11:26.49 | lesshaste | PerfDave, it is deliberate... man pages were deprecated years ago for GNU tools |
| 11:26.52 | N0S3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:26.57 | lesshaste | PerfDave, we are supposed to all use info |
| 11:27.11 | PerfDave | lesshaste: Fuck info, it's useless for reference. |
| 11:27.12 | olczyk | So I don't have to type one command. And I don't get to have a coffe break. |
| 11:27.19 | hotzen | SimonRaven, i can only see the ip with who:( and and the pts |
| 11:27.28 | PerfDave | I've got no problem with info pages, provided there's a manpage too :) |
| 11:27.31 | N0S3 | lesshaste: |
| 11:27.33 | lesshaste | PerfDave, yes but I am afraid that GNU officially closed support for man pages at least 5 years ago |
| 11:27.40 | PerfDave | lesshaste: Fuck GNU :) |
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| 11:27.51 | lesshaste | Isn't that like a wildebeest? :) |
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| 11:28.17 | lesshaste | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnu |
| 11:28.25 | cmdKeen | Will Opera package appear in official Debian repository when it's free now ? |
| 11:28.28 | lesshaste | not so attractive to my eyes.. but then each one to their own ;) |
| 11:28.37 | jm_ | cmdKeen: no, it's not free |
| 11:28.46 | EdLin | cmdKeen: it doesn't offer source, does it? |
| 11:28.51 | PerfDave | cmdKeen: No, because it's not free, just without financial cost :) |
| 11:28.56 | hotzen | PerfDave, so what i can do further when i have the pid of the ssh session i wanna know more about?? |
| 11:29.10 | PerfDave | hotzen: strace it? |
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| 11:29.25 | PerfDave | cmdKeen: http://www.debian.org/social_contract/ might be worth reading |
| 11:29.27 | SimonRaven | cmdKeen: free as in beer != free as in speech |
| 11:29.54 | lesshaste | sadly free as in speech != free as in speech any more |
| 11:29.55 | PerfDave | Whoops, bad link |
| 11:30.31 | cmdKeen | PerfDave: http://www.debian.org/social_contract/ => 404 |
| 11:30.33 | lesshaste | cmdKeen, cheer up! |
| 11:30.39 | PerfDave | cmdKeen: You may want to read http://www.debian.org/intro/free |
| 11:32.30 | M23 | oh well.... time for a new nick. |
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| 11:33.24 | PerfDave | Hurrah! Enlightenment! :) |
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| 11:33.43 | zedboy | anyone have an impression whether great hordes have left debian for ubuntu (as my brother tells me)? |
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| 11:34.15 | cmdKeen | :) That reminds me Enlightenment E17 woudl appear in etch too:-P |
| 11:34.15 | loxley | zedboy: no, its just imagination |
| 11:34.17 | jdhutchin1 | zedboy, no, they haven't |
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| 11:34.20 | Ronin | zedboy: only the users we didnt want anyhow |
| 11:34.42 | zedboy | rumour has it the rich guy behind ubuntu is paying developers? |
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| 11:37.44 | Assassin5 | he he |
| 11:37.49 | Jeaton | what all iso-cds do I download? |
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| 11:38.08 | Ronin | Jeaton: if you have a high speed connection just the netinstall one and a mini cd |
| 11:38.29 | PerfDave | Jeaton: have you read the Debian Installation Manual? :) |
| 11:38.42 | Ronin | PerfDave: thats a trick question of course? |
| 11:38.46 | Jeaton | i do but that computer doesn't use the connection |
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| 11:39.03 | Jeaton | PerfDave - not yet, i was going to let it download while im at work today |
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| 11:39.15 | PerfDave | Jeaton: The Installation Manual will tell you what you need to download :) |
| 11:39.23 | Jeaton | and didn't have a whole hell of a lot of time to read the manual at the moment |
| 11:39.25 | Jeaton | ok |
| 11:39.31 | kang | here can you find help for makeing packages when its not in the little debian howto ? like fixing lintian errors etc. google isnt very helpful today. |
| 11:40.08 | PerfDave | Jeaton: Really, it's not very much to read, and will save you huge amounts of hassle later on. |
| 11:40.34 | Jeaton | oh, i plan to read it before I install |
| 11:40.47 | Jeaton | i was just going to get the download out of the way though |
| 11:40.59 | Ronin | Jeaton: read it before and you mant not have to dl all the isos |
| 11:41.16 | Jeaton | oh, I don't plan too |
| 11:41.20 | PerfDave | Jeaton: Just flick through the bit of the manual that tells you what you need to download, you'd've done it by now if you'd not stopped to argue ;) |
| 11:41.22 | Jeaton | I know most of them are nothing but packages |
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| 11:41.46 | hotzen | what for root maybe running svscan or svscanboot ?? is there some kind of exploit known about those two deamontools inlcuded jobs ? |
| 11:41.50 | Jeaton | PerfDave - heh, i'm not arguing, i am actually scamming over the manual |
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| 11:43.19 | cmdKeen | Jeaton: most ? ALL of them except install CD are packages... |
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| 11:45.06 | zumbi | !hi |
| 11:45.16 | zumbi | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 11:45.22 | zumbi | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:45.25 | Jeaton | see, i wasn't aware of that, and i'm going to assume disc1 is the installation disc |
| 11:45.28 | Jeaton | so i'll just download it |
| 11:45.38 | PerfDave | cmdKeen: Jeaton will learn this when he reads the Installation Manual ;) |
| 11:45.50 | RichiH | zumbi: paste the whole output of apt-get into paster |
| 11:45.52 | Jeaton | lol |
| 11:45.53 | RichiH | !paste |
| 11:45.59 | RichiH | dpkg: fuck you |
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| 11:46.21 | Jeaton | well, i forget about the download right now then |
| 11:46.29 | Jeaton | i'll start it later when I read it |
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| 11:47.10 | Jeaton | better get to work, later |
| 11:47.12 | zumbi | RichiH: where do i paste it ? |
| 11:47.13 | Jeaton | and thanks |
| 11:47.36 | RichiH | http://channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 11:49.13 | hugle | how do i compress a text file with bzip2 ? |
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| 11:49.20 | hugle | cant find examples on google |
| 11:49.38 | RichiH | man bzip2 |
| 11:49.43 | SimonRaven | first place you should be looking is the man page for it... |
| 11:49.49 | SimonRaven | ^^^ |
| 11:49.56 | oramirez | bzip2 -z |
| 11:50.02 | Mr_Smoke | that's why they're called "manual pages" isn't it :) |
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| 11:50.44 | nelf | Whatever happened to k3b in testing? |
| 11:50.46 | SimonRaven | indeed. some have examples, at the very least they have usage at the top, then further down is explained what all those things in [] mean |
| 11:51.31 | zumbi | RichiH: http://channels.debian.net/paste/989 |
| 11:51.43 | Mr_Smoke | nelf, should wetry to guess what's bothering you or are you going to tell ? |
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| 11:52.05 | nelf | I don't seem to be able to find the k3b package in testing any more |
| 11:52.24 | SimonRaven | hm |
| 11:52.33 | SimonRaven | !why isn't k3b in testing |
| 11:52.35 | Mr_Smoke | zumbi, what kernel are you running ? |
| 11:52.43 | RichiH | zumbi: dpkg-reconfigure locales could do the trick |
| 11:52.47 | SimonRaven | ok, not quite |
| 11:52.48 | zumbi | 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 11:52.52 | RichiH | SimonRaven: dpkg is dead |
| 11:52.57 | RichiH | zumbi: ah |
| 11:53.05 | RichiH | you need 2.6.12 for udev |
| 11:53.07 | Mr_Smoke | zumbi, afaik udev >= 0.70 depends on 2.6.12 |
| 11:53.13 | RichiH | Mr_Smoke: it does |
| 11:53.23 | Mr_Smoke | i know :) |
| 11:53.24 | zumbi | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locale is not installed |
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| 11:53.28 | SimonRaven | yeh, timing out or something, or hung |
| 11:53.49 | RichiH | zumbi: localeS -- but you need a newer kernel first |
| 11:53.50 | hugle | `bzip2 -z -9 filename` will give me best compression ? (or I understood wrong from manual pages) |
| 11:53.56 | xota | zumbi, dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 11:53.58 | Mr_Smoke | weird, i get k3b and i'm running tsting .... |
| 11:53.59 | Mr_Smoke | ba |
| 11:54.01 | Mr_Smoke | bah* |
| 11:54.07 | RichiH | hugle: bzip2 -9 is all you need |
| 11:54.14 | zumbi | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is broken or not fully installed |
| 11:54.17 | SimonRaven | default is compress |
| 11:54.24 | nelf | OK, I'll stop being vague... I can't seem to find k3b in dselect /apt-cache - Mr_Smoke seeing as you are getting it, I would imagine that it's missing from my debian mirror (ftp.linux.pt) |
| 11:54.31 | oramirez | #ppc |
| 11:54.36 | SimonRaven | that kind of option is useful for scripts |
| 11:54.40 | martin__ | Is there a good channel to join for help with vsftpd |
| 11:54.40 | zumbi | also, i got kernel-image, but apt doesn't finish its job |
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| 11:55.50 | SimonRaven | nelf: switch mirror then, pick another |
| 11:56.37 | SimonRaven | they're supposed to all sync, hence 'mirror', but some don't |
| 11:57.08 | hugle | RichiH, thanks |
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| 11:57.43 | nelf | SimonRaven: While I'm on the subject, is there any way of getting base-config (or something else) to automatically put in the contrib and non-free package trees too, as I only end up with main each time I run base-config to configure /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:57.57 | martin__ | who nelf |
| 11:58.02 | SimonRaven | run apt-setup instead |
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| 11:59.09 | nelf | SimonRaven: base-config runs apt-setup, and I end up with the same thing (ie just main) |
| 11:59.24 | nelf | marin__: me nelf, you martian? |
| 11:59.33 | SimonRaven | so edit it after you're done |
| 11:59.35 | nelf | martin__: me nelf, you martian? |
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| 12:02.52 | newevmsuser | How do I check which version of a package is installed? |
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| 12:03.03 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 12:03.03 | dli__ | newevmsuser, dpkg -s |
| 12:03.10 | newevmsuser | thanks |
| 12:03.25 | dli__ | newevmsuser, or aptitude |
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| 12:03.44 | amorphix | i have a problem, i cannot change to default profile in Mozilla as it says its "already in use", however I have rebooted this machine several times and dont see how it can be in use |
| 12:03.46 | amorphix | any ideas? |
| 12:04.03 | dli__ | amorphix, remove the lock file |
| 12:04.24 | amorphix | dli__ where is it likely to be found |
| 12:04.29 | Carizma | Hi. |
| 12:04.41 | cmdKeen | zumbi: you know about linux-image, don't you ? |
| 12:04.43 | dli__ | amorphix, cd ~/.mozilla |
| 12:04.48 | amorphix | thanks :) |
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| 12:04.53 | dli__ | amorphix, find . -name lock |
| 12:05.01 | amorphix | ok |
| 12:05.14 | jm_ | are you even sure you have more than one profile? |
| 12:05.22 | amorphix | i have 2 |
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| 12:05.39 | jm_ | there are switches like -P, -ProfileWizard, -ProfileManager and -SelectProfile |
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| 12:05.59 | SimonRaven | dpkg -i, not -s |
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| 12:07.08 | amorphix | i have successfully deleted my profile lock and switched profile |
| 12:07.12 | amorphix | thanks guys |
| 12:07.30 | newevmsuser | thanks -s gave some nice info including version. Now I need to figure out how to get the same version of rdiff-backup installed on both my stable server and my unstable mythtv box. |
| 12:07.32 | dli__ | jm_ firefox should auto remove the lock, if there's indeed no other instance running |
| 12:07.36 | Mr_Smoke | right, off to reboot and see whether the discover "skip" kicks in |
| 12:07.38 | Mr_Smoke | bbl |
| 12:07.51 | SimonRaven | it won't remove it if it crashed before it could |
| 12:08.13 | cmdKeen | when I get errors at startup, how can I pause it to read them ? |
| 12:08.22 | dli__ | SimonRaven, I mean the should implement this new feature |
| 12:08.23 | jm_ | dli__: the only time I messed with it was when I started Netscape 7 that fucked the pointer to default profile and I had to hexedit it (how stupid to have binary config files) |
| 12:08.26 | SimonRaven | galeon does it better, actually asks you to recover the session |
| 12:08.36 | jm_ | cmdKeen: startup of what? |
| 12:08.40 | nelf | SimonRaven: I've now tried all the mirrors in portugal that I could find, and none of them have k3b, which is odd :( |
| 12:08.47 | cmdKeen | jm_: boot. |
| 12:08.51 | jm_ | cmdKeen: man bootlogd |
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| 12:08.57 | nelf | It's not in non-US is it? |
| 12:08.58 | jm_ | nelf: /msg dpkg why is k3b not in testing |
| 12:09.01 | SimonRaven | nelf: ran an update every time? |
| 12:09.06 | nelf | Yep |
| 12:09.11 | SimonRaven | dpkg is dead, jm_ |
| 12:09.14 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 12:09.15 | jm_ | ahh |
| 12:09.28 | cmdKeen | jm_: thanks |
| 12:09.53 | jm_ | http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=k3b |
| 12:09.57 | amorphix | hehe |
| 12:10.04 | amorphix | what was the quote? |
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| 12:10.18 | SimonRaven | "he's dead, jim" |
| 12:10.21 | amorphix | haha |
| 12:10.25 | SimonRaven | said by dr. mccoy |
| 12:10.42 | amorphix | "bones" |
| 12:10.57 | beanz | Has anyone had any luck getting smtp auth (postfix) talking to a mysql database _where the passwords are md5ed_? |
| 12:11.01 | SimonRaven | yup |
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| 12:11.19 | beanz | SimonRaven: yup to me? |
| 12:11.24 | Mr_Smoke | \o/ it worked :) |
| 12:11.26 | SimonRaven | no |
| 12:11.34 | beanz | SimonRaven: gah! |
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| 12:12.19 | SimonRaven | see README.Debian for mysql*-server or the docs at mysql.com |
| 12:12.24 | newevmsuser | in order to get a stable version of a package installed on an unstable machine, should I add a stable source to my sources.list and then 'apt-get install rdiff-backup-0.13.4-5' (the stable version)? or should I try to set up apt pinning? |
| 12:12.31 | SimonRaven | google should find it immediately |
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| 12:12.39 | jm_ | newevmsuser: no, you have to do it manually |
| 12:12.42 | Mr_Smoke | xoz, turned out discover's "skip" statement was missing a carriage return, now it *does* skip that module :) |
| 12:12.47 | jm_ | pinning would also work |
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| 12:14.27 | jethro | any other sid user complained about a b0rked xscreensaver lately? xscreensaver wont let me authenticate through pam, when login, ssh and sudo work just fine with the same settings. furthermore, killing xscreensaver to unlock my X display from a console makes the X server crash. |
| 12:14.49 | jethro | ah, and I can't find anything usefull on the bts |
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| 12:15.27 | Mr_Smoke | revert to previous version, if it works, file a bug |
| 12:15.34 | jm_ | X server crashes are always nice ;) |
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| 12:16.09 | jethro | Mr_Smoke: thanks captain obvious |
| 12:16.16 | Mr_Smoke | anytime ) |
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| 12:18.00 | nelf | Seeing as I don't seem to be able to get hold of k3b, can anyone recommend a graphical interface for burning wav files onto a CD (ie creating an audio CD) |
| 12:18.15 | beanz | nelf: nero |
| 12:18.24 | bigkevmcd | anybody have problems installing from a recent debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso? |
| 12:18.37 | bigkevmcd | it fails during the base-install, but there's nothing apparently failing |
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| 12:19.24 | cmdKeen | !away |
| 12:19.32 | amorphix | why is my interfaces file ignored/overwritten when i boot up? |
| 12:19.44 | amorphix | i always get old/out of date networking config on my nic |
| 12:20.16 | amorphix | and why does MTA always delay bootup by like 5 mins if networking is not up |
| 12:20.25 | cmdKeen | what's with dpkg today ? |
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| 12:20.37 | Guerin | amorphix: because you told it to; or didn't tell it not to. |
| 12:20.43 | cmdKeen | !pal dpkg |
| 12:20.45 | Guerin | cmdKeen: he's feeling poorly. |
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| 12:21.05 | amorphix | Guerin: I have my networking config setup properly in my interfaces and its set to auto |
| 12:21.21 | md5sum | coldness *shiver* |
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| 12:21.57 | jharrisonwk | comrads! |
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| 12:22.03 | nelf_ | Seeing as I don't seem to be able to get hold of k3b, can anyone recommend a graphical interface for burning wav files onto a CD (ie creating an audio CD) |
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| 12:22.40 | Mr_Smoke | xcdroast used to do that, haven't used it in ages though |
| 12:22.45 | Mr_Smoke | i think it relied on ide-scsi |
| 12:23.11 | jharrisonwk | Mr_Smoke: actually it probably relied on cdrecord which relied on ide-scsi |
| 12:23.28 | jharrisonwk | Mr_Smoke: however cdrecord no longer relies on ide-scsi |
| 12:23.32 | Mr_Smoke | that too. |
| 12:24.00 | amorphix | im having problems with my interfaces |
| 12:24.06 | Mr_Smoke | jharrisonwk, i wouldn't know, there was a silliness with the way the fonts were handled I seem to remember, I used k3b instead form that moment on |
| 12:24.09 | amorphix | refuses to configure at bootup |
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| 12:24.51 | nelf_ | Mr_Smoke: I tried xcdroast with no success at all :( |
| 12:24.51 | amorphix | im plagued by problems lately |
| 12:25.22 | jm_ | amorphix: and what do you do to fix it? |
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| 12:26.06 | amorphix | I've checked my interfaces file and read the man page to make sure its ok, but nothing obvious seems ok.. so each time I boot I have to take down my nic and do ifup again |
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| 12:26.32 | amorphix | since I have MTA and NFS mounted home, its very inconvenient |
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| 12:29.54 | bibe | amorphix amorphix : you said you have to "ifconfig ehtX down; ifconfig ethX up", or do you configure your network interface "by hand", passing parameters directly to ifconfig? |
| 12:30.23 | amorphix | what i do normally is boot up, then do ifdown eth0 followed by ifup eth0 and im configured then |
| 12:30.50 | Guerin | amorphix: laptop? |
| 12:30.53 | amorphix | yes |
| 12:31.08 | bibe | what happens if you boot up, wait a bit, then '/etc/init.d/networking restart'? |
| 12:31.10 | Guerin | amorphix: is init trying to bring up your eth before your nic? |
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| 12:31.25 | amorphix | im not sure |
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| 12:31.36 | amorphix | to both questions |
| 12:31.37 | nelf_ | What does amorphix ifconfig say about eth0 before you do the down then up thing? |
| 12:31.43 | Guerin | amorphix: find out |
| 12:31.44 | amorphix | oh |
| 12:31.58 | amorphix | it has all the old config from before i upgraded my network |
| 12:32.08 | amorphix | i dont even know where it gets that info from, its not in my interfaces |
| 12:32.18 | Guerin | amorphix: funky |
| 12:32.20 | amorphix | hehe |
| 12:32.25 | nelf_ | is it a pcmcia network card? |
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| 12:32.36 | amorphix | its an onboard mini pci job |
| 12:33.38 | amorphix | it used to work fine until i upgraded my network earlier this week |
| 12:34.00 | amorphix | i do have 2 nic's setup in my interfaces tho now, maybe thats why? |
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| 12:34.10 | amorphix | both are set to auto |
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| 12:34.20 | nelf_ | are they both eth0? |
| 12:34.22 | kioto | hi all |
| 12:34.24 | amorphix | no |
| 12:34.29 | amorphix | eth0 and eth1 |
| 12:34.38 | torc | dpkg is down? |
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| 12:35.04 | bibe | and do they interfere in any way? are the two networks separated? |
| 12:35.17 | jm_ | amorphix: so find out what is doing that |
| 12:35.33 | amorphix | well the eth1 (pcmcia) is not even in use, i was just carrying out some tests on network so configured it |
| 12:35.39 | amorphix | ok |
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| 12:37.36 | amorphix | my network is running much better now im switched |
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| 12:37.46 | kioto | hei guys where i can find the list of jobs that store cups |
| 12:37.54 | jm_ | ahh the feller who bought new switch? |
| 12:38.00 | amorphix | i can actually play an mp3 over nfs without my network going down :-> |
| 12:38.02 | kioto | and i can see through the web admin |
| 12:38.14 | jm_ | kioto: lpq will list them, and yes, you can also see them via the web interface |
| 12:38.41 | amorphix | i had a faulty nic cable too |
| 12:38.50 | jm_ | nice |
| 12:38.52 | amorphix | that was very hard to track down, took me 3 hours yesterday |
| 12:38.59 | kioto | jm_ i want delete this list and i cannot to be able |
| 12:39.01 | amorphix | thats a 13m cable i need to cut up |
| 12:39.05 | jm_ | kioto: man lprm |
| 12:39.10 | kioto | oki |
| 12:39.24 | wdamn | Hi, does anybody know if there is a converter from doc to pdf that keep images? |
| 12:39.45 | Guerin | wdamn: openoffice.org writer |
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| 12:40.49 | kioto | mission assolved jm_ |
| 12:40.58 | kioto | thanks ^^ |
| 12:41.14 | jm_ | kioto: read CUPS manual |
| 12:41.22 | amorphix | phew |
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| 12:42.50 | wdamn | Guerin: I mean a command line tool :) |
| 12:43.18 | Guerin | wdamn: tried the box o' tricks in pdftk and psutils? |
| 12:43.34 | amorphix | does anyone need 30m of cat-5 |
| 12:43.35 | Guerin | i think i mean psutils - the one with a whole bag o' postscript gadgets |
| 12:43.44 | amorphix | i just bought some excess cables |
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| 12:45.13 | takatumi | all in the name of fixing the network eh? |
| 12:45.20 | amorphix | hehe yes |
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| 12:45.50 | amorphix | i have a wireless pcmcia but i cant find any driver support for it |
| 12:45.56 | amorphix | think i will have to sell it |
| 12:46.03 | takatumi | which chip? |
| 12:46.26 | amorphix | i have no clue to be honest, its a Origo |
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| 12:46.43 | kioto | reboot |
| 12:46.51 | amorphix | it came free with my router |
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| 12:48.42 | syntaxx | aww.. i accidentally remove ~ of the root is there a way i can bring it back? do i need to mkdir ~ as root to bring it back? |
| 12:48.43 | nvz | well I guess that old saying is right "you can't judge a book by its cover" out of the 7 books I checked out at random based on presumed level of interest I may have taken to them... first one I had to quit less than half way because I couldnt bear anymore repetitive nonsense. and the 2nd I finished but it was terrible |
| 12:48.44 | amorphix | can i query the pcmcia and see what chip it is? |
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| 12:49.15 | Mr_Smoke | syntaxx, mkdir /root |
| 12:49.34 | syntaxx | Mr_Smoke, thanks |
| 12:49.52 | amorphix | im in the process of upgrading an old Linux sys i havent used for months, its got 2.4 kernel on it |
| 12:49.56 | adii | how to change options in a prebuilt kernel |
| 12:50.49 | PerfDave | adii: You can pass options to it from the lilo / grub menu |
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| 12:53.28 | amorphix | my screen is too bright |
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| 12:53.39 | amorphix | and its on minimum brightness setting |
| 12:53.39 | nvz | sunglasses |
| 12:53.47 | nvz | amorphix: CRT Monitor? |
| 12:53.49 | amorphix | LCD |
| 12:53.56 | scruffy | amorphix: sounds like a Dell FP |
| 12:54.01 | nvz | amorphix: ah, no suggestions then.. |
| 12:54.02 | amorphix | hehe |
| 12:54.04 | amorphix | HP |
| 12:54.09 | jm_ | which HP? |
| 12:54.18 | amorphix | Omnibook 6000 |
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| 12:54.20 | nvz | I was going to say crank down the voltage on the flyback transformer |
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| 12:54.26 | jm_ | ohh notebook |
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| 12:54.41 | nvz | but the LCD technology uses something entirely different for brightness |
| 12:54.45 | amorphix | i can title the screen back it improves visibility a bit |
| 12:54.49 | amorphix | *tilt |
| 12:54.49 | scruffy | amorphix: I had a Dell 2001FP Ultra Sharp for about 3 days, and it was far too bright. |
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| 12:55.08 | Zugschlus | Hm. Where is Console/Getopt.php for php4 on unstable? |
| 12:55.08 | nvz | depends on the specific type of technology, but its usually something along the lines of florescent lighting |
| 12:55.10 | amorphix | its the backlights are just too much power eh |
| 12:55.45 | amorphix | i had a compaq armada before this and that was much clearer, you could take it down to virtually no backlight |
| 12:56.00 | amorphix | this one, its blinding bright, or very bright |
| 12:56.20 | jharrisonwk | oh boy |
| 12:56.24 | jharrisonwk | the joys of #debian |
| 12:56.45 | jharrisonwk | think I'll switch to debian/kfbsd |
| 12:57.13 | asg | jharrisonwk: tarzeau had it up yesterday |
| 12:57.15 | jharrisonwk | #gnu-kbsd is much nicer |
| 12:57.23 | jharrisonwk | asg: yes its coming along nicely |
| 12:57.24 | jethro | jharrisonwk: /part #debian is enough y'know :) |
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| 12:57.45 | jharrisonwk | jethro: are you new here? |
| 12:57.50 | jethro | haha |
| 12:57.53 | jharrisonwk | :-P |
| 12:57.54 | jethro | yeah |
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| 12:58.19 | jethro | I'm new to the new flavor of #debian |
| 12:58.24 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: it's so easy to install now :) |
| 12:58.31 | jethro | and I don't like it. the former was much more helpful |
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| 12:59.19 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: I have a freebsd test machine now |
| 12:59.43 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: when im done with playing with freebsd I will be playing with debian/kbsd |
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| 13:01.33 | scruffy | lovely. signs you need sleep: you dd a .tar.gz to /dev/fd0. |
| 13:01.44 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: are you tripping? |
| 13:03.40 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: no |
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| 13:11.25 | wam | where can I restrict the maximum number of ssh-sessions for a user? somewhere in the /etc/pam.d? |
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| 13:11.41 | tarzeau | wam: install him screen, and teach him about it |
| 13:11.49 | JJK | Hello, I want to set up a UML host machine with an ip in the 10.0.0.0/8 range and on top of it a couple of UML machines with ip's in the 192.168.0.0/24 range. Can someone tell me how I should connect them together? |
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| 13:11.53 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 13:11.55 | jm_ | wam: try using pam_limits module |
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| 13:13.00 | wam | jm_: Where are the configs for pam_limits? |
| 13:13.09 | jm_ | wam: PAM docs mention this |
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| 13:13.48 | wam | jm_: sorry, couldn't find it in "man pam". And /usr/share/doc/pam doesn't exist. Any hint? |
| 13:14.23 | jm_ | wam: first hit on google for 'linux pam' |
| 13:14.51 | Mr_Smoke | nice quit msg |
| 13:14.54 | wam | oh... google. Ok - ;) |
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| 13:15.07 | jm_ | there's also PAM doc package in Debian if you prefer that |
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| 13:16.29 | Mr_Smoke | Barbara ! \o/ |
| 13:18.15 | PerfDave | JJK: uml-utilities I believe has the UML switch daemon... |
| 13:18.28 | JJK | wam, http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/Linux-PAM-html/pam.html << PAM administrators guide |
| 13:19.10 | wam | jjk: found it in /etc/security/limits.conf: * hard maxlogins n - Thanks for helping! |
| 13:19.25 | JJK | wam, np |
| 13:19.47 | JJK | PerfDave, I'm looking it up... |
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| 13:23.28 | JJK | PerfDave, it is not very hard to get it running |
| 13:23.47 | PerfDave | JJK: So they say. I played with the Debian packages and they were shite though ;) |
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| 13:25.16 | flowtron | Hello! dpkg doesn't respong to my /msg-s ... e.g. "/msg dpkg sarge firefox" |
| 13:25.30 | flowtron | but actually I'd like some help with mingw |
| 13:25.36 | abrotman | flowtron: dpkg is dead |
| 13:25.37 | asg | flowtron: the bot buggered off, use apt or ravenbird |
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| 13:25.38 | flowtron | I want to do a compile for Win32 |
| 13:25.51 | flowtron | ah : thx @ abrotman && asg |
| 13:25.53 | stew | long live dpkg! |
| 13:25.58 | JJK | PerfDave, I compiled 'em both myself using kernel 2.6.13.4, so I've no probles with upstream packages. |
| 13:26.12 | flowtron | maybe the topic should be updated too ??? |
| 13:26.13 | abrotman | anyone tell don ? |
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| 13:26.31 | stew | dondelelcaro: donde el dpkg? |
| 13:27.03 | PerfDave | JJK: I'm averse to using upstream where packages are available, but it seems that the Debian UML packages aren't good to use at all. |
| 13:27.23 | flowtron | apt seems to block me coz I'm not registered ... time to do so, I guess ;-P |
| 13:27.47 | flowtron | Could anybody help me getting a cross compile running? |
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| 13:28.00 | nvz | stew: that would be donde del dpkg in spanish and his nick is not spanish |
| 13:28.17 | JJK | PerfDave, I can't say. I didn't use them. However, the unstable uml-utitlities work very well. I only compiled the kernels. |
| 13:28.29 | stew | nvz: hmm, i hope he knows what i mean then :) |
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| 13:28.58 | stew | !tell stew about spanglish |
| 13:29.05 | JJK | flowtron, maybe you can try it in ##c++ |
| 13:29.11 | nvz | stew: Don + Delphi + Oracle (backwards) = ? |
| 13:29.36 | nvz | well you get the isea |
| 13:29.39 | nvz | idea even |
| 13:29.51 | stew | (don=don del=del(phi|psi) elcaro=oracle|a nutcase who can't stop talking to apt|clinically insane|continuously dying and comming back to life), |
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| 13:30.19 | nvz | muh fuckin chest hurts |
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| 13:30.42 | nvz | gotta quit leaning on that damn board at work when I am reading |
| 13:31.17 | nvz | causing pain in my chest plate/collar bone something |
| 13:31.42 | michael | I have just added an extra source for apt to fetch the latest packages of wine. but when I try to apt-get upgrade apt tells me, that the packages libwine and wine have been kept back. how to I force apt not to keep it back? |
| 13:32.03 | wam | michael: apt-get install wine |
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| 13:32.40 | stew | @kept back |
| 13:32.43 | wam | michael: this is most often because some packages would be removed. So apt wants you to confirm it. |
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| 13:32.49 | jm_ | no such factoid in RB |
| 13:32.51 | stew | @kept back is when packages have not been upgraded, even though newer versions are available, because it cannot resolve dependencies for the newer version, or when you told it to hold packages, or when you used "upgrade" instead of "dist-upgrade", or the safest way to resolve this is perhaps to 'apt-get install <kept-package>' and it will resolve stuff for you.. |
| 13:32.51 | ravenbird | stew: okay |
| 13:33.01 | nvz | oh well I'll just goto bed... its payday. the mail man should be here with my check soon :P |
| 13:33.06 | DonVincenzo | hi, is anybody running mediawiki here ? |
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| 13:33.24 | nvz | isnt that called wikimedia? |
| 13:33.39 | Mr_Smoke | nope |
| 13:33.47 | Mr_Smoke | mediawiki is the engine's name |
| 13:33.56 | Mr_Smoke | (the one that's behind the wikipedia too) |
| 13:34.03 | nvz | ah. my friend was talling me about wikimedia |
| 13:34.17 | nvz | after I introduced him to wikipedia |
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| 13:35.18 | nvz | never heard of it myself |
| 13:35.31 | nvz | well I heard of it, but from a cronic liar |
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| 13:36.21 | aluno_ | bboi |
| 13:36.24 | aluno_ | oi |
| 13:36.26 | nvz | I can be friends with him because we've known each other since gradeschool, and once you know someone is full of shit, its pretty easy to disregaurd it |
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| 13:36.57 | aluno_ | oi |
| 13:37.02 | aluno_ | tudo bem, vamos |
| 13:37.22 | nvz | !es |
| 13:37.26 | nvz | @es |
| 13:37.33 | nvz | ~es |
| 13:37.34 | apt | Para los usuarios debian de habla hispana que requieren la ayuda, ensamble por favor el canal del #debian-es -- Spanish-speaking debian users requiring support, please join #debian-es |
| 13:37.38 | Mr_Smoke | that'd be portuguese |
| 13:37.41 | Mr_Smoke | not spanish |
| 13:37.44 | Mr_Smoke | ~pt |
| 13:37.45 | apt | [pt] a Manuel |
| 13:37.45 | nvz | ah right |
| 13:37.49 | nvz | ~br |
| 13:37.50 | apt | rumour has it, br is Brazil, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 13:37.51 | aluno_ | aviso cuidado pode deixe servico programa para IP tem pessoa ver seu numero é pior, precisar fechar agora mais facil... em Brasil |
| 13:37.52 | PerfDave | ~hispanic |
| 13:37.55 | Mr_Smoke | or br indeed |
| 13:37.57 | nvz | I should Know that I speak spanish |
| 13:37.59 | PerfDave | Bah, stupid bot |
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| 13:38.57 | nvz | I wonder where sussudio is with the badgers :P |
| 13:39.02 | cheal | PerfDave: dpkg would have it :) |
| 13:39.14 | jm_ | wasn't it called piggy? |
| 13:39.27 | cheal | PerfDave: although somebody pointed out that portuguese isn't hispanic |
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| 13:39.57 | cheal | iberian may be better, but it's meaning is first geographical |
| 13:40.02 | michael | wam: I inserted this line to sources.list eb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/binary/ ./ but when I try apt-get install wine I get a Err Failed to fetch http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/binary/binary/wine_0.9.0-winehq-1_i386.deb 404 Not Found |
| 13:40.17 | JJK | PerfDave, it looks like uml_swithc is not suitable in my case, because I want the host (which has an ip-address in the 10.0.0.0 range) to connect with the guests (which have ip-addresses in the 192.168.0.0 range). |
| 13:40.37 | ICES | oi |
| 13:40.44 | ICES | vamos coversar pra sala |
| 13:40.45 | JJK | PerfDave, form the uml_switch manpage: uml_switch is a daemon for managing a virtual network between user-mode Linux systems, *with no connection to the host system's network* |
| 13:40.45 | michael | wam: it's two times binary/ ... that's wrong |
| 13:40.52 | wombachi | what cmd should I use on Sarge to show installed packages in section "non-US" ? apt-cache? |
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| 13:41.04 | ICES | conversar comigo agora, eu esperando com voce |
| 13:41.10 | ICES | eu moro em Brazil. |
| 13:41.21 | cheal | wombachi: there's no non-US in sarge |
| 13:41.22 | JJK | wombachi, did you add non-us sources in your sourcelist? |
| 13:41.28 | nvz | !ops oi, we have a troll n=aluno@200.217.192.102 assuming multiple nicks and speaking portuguese |
| 13:41.35 | jm_ | wombachi: who told you to use non-us with Sarge? |
| 13:41.40 | nvz | heh forgot dpkg isnt here |
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| 13:42.10 | nvz | oh well ravenbird is here but not paying attention I guess |
| 13:42.28 | wombachi | jm_ I dont use non-us with Sarge, but some remains from Woody and I want to list them (I found lynx-ssl because of security upgrade problems) |
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| 13:42.53 | wombachi | jm_ The woody to sarge upgrade didnt replace lynx-ssl by lynx |
| 13:43.27 | wombachi | is there a simple way (cmd x|grep non-US) to find old non-US packages? |
| 13:43.35 | wam | michael: so just delete one binary ;) |
| 13:44.18 | jm_ | wombachi: tried apt-cache policy? |
| 13:44.54 | jm_ | or use tools like grep-dctrl/dpkg-awk and list packages in given section |
| 13:45.22 | wombachi | jm_ I'll read the man page but I dont think it's policy related |
| 13:45.40 | wombachi | jm_ ok, thanks, I'll try grep-dctrl or dpkg-awk |
| 13:46.00 | zumbi | hello, i have done a dist-upgrade and it changed xfree86 to xorg and now i can't run xdm nor gdm and xf86config is missing.. any idea ? |
| 13:46.01 | jm_ | wombachi: well it shows the location, it's not Debian policy related |
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| 13:46.38 | cheal | zumbi: presumably xf86config is specific to XFree86 |
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| 13:46.48 | wombachi | jm_ ok, I didnt knew. Thanks for the tips :) |
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| 13:47.11 | zumbi | cheal: but i told xorg to use xfree86 |
| 13:47.25 | zumbi | on the config menu |
| 13:47.45 | zumbi | how do you configure xorg ? dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is not working for me |
| 13:47.56 | jm_ | that's how you configure it |
| 13:48.03 | Guerin | zumbi: it would if you did it properly |
| 13:48.44 | wombachi | zumbi : perhaps you choose wrong options in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 13:48.45 | zumbi | Guerin: i had some issues on the dist-upgrade (from stable to sid) |
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| 13:49.03 | Guerin | zumbi: why are you using sid? |
| 13:49.08 | zumbi | well, i'll try to reconfigure again |
| 13:49.25 | zumbi | Guerin: because in sid there is rt2500 wlan driver |
| 13:49.32 | Guerin | oh god |
| 13:49.34 | cheal | zumbi: as in etch |
| 13:49.36 | wombachi | zumbi : double check the driver (ex ati vs radeon vs...) |
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| 13:49.49 | Guerin | another person dependent on tardware |
| 13:49.59 | zumbi | wombachi: i use ati, but i have changed it to use vesa |
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| 13:51.22 | wombachi | zumbi perhaps you'll need the proprietary ati drivers or some special config option (It happend to me on a ACER laptop recently) |
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| 13:52.00 | wombachi | the vesa should help you fix things with a (lowres) working gui |
| 13:52.37 | zumbi | wombachi: this is a DELL Inspiron 5100 |
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| 13:53.21 | PerfDave | zumbi: Why not backport the tardware wlan driver to Sarge? |
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| 13:54.18 | MASoft | how can I active ESD in Debian Sarge in Gnome ? I use alsa and installed esd. |
| 13:54.19 | wombachi | trying to use Linux on laptops can be very difficult : driver issues, xserver issues, kernel acpi issues... :-( |
| 13:54.51 | PerfDave | wombachi: That's why we have websites about them, so you can read up on hardware compatiability before you buy, and get a nice laptop which works 100% out of the box ;) |
| 13:55.01 | wombachi | zumbi : if you upgrade to get a driver, I agree with PerfDate : upgrading the kernel is often way easier |
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| 13:56.15 | Kddur2 | Help! Somehow every time i boot i some program changes by IPTABLES and i have to restore it manually.. how can i find what program\script do that eivl thing? |
| 13:56.22 | wombachi | PerfDave I promissed I'll read tuxmobil.org next time... |
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| 13:56.48 | PerfDave | wombachi: I think being skint is good, I can only afford 2 year old laptops and they work fine with Linux ;) |
| 13:56.49 | MASoft | Kddur2, you can do it by using iptables-save and iptables-restore commands |
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| 13:57.08 | wombachi | PerfDave but I learned things about ACPI, AML etc I wouldnt have if I read it before :p |
| 13:57.18 | Eclipser | which commend to reconfigure what login manager to use as default? |
| 13:57.36 | asg | Eclipser: just install the one you want to use |
| 13:57.37 | PerfDave | Kddur2: Uhm, are you using iptables-save and iptables-restore? Your iptables will automatically get cleared at reboot, since they only exist in memory. |
| 13:57.51 | PerfDave | Eclipser: Install the one you want, or dpkg-reconfigure it if it's already installed. |
| 13:57.57 | deeLer | alt-gr key isn't working in X , any suggestions ? |
| 13:58.07 | PerfDave | wombachi: See, I don't like learning about stuff if I don't have to ;) |
| 13:58.10 | Eclipser | PerfDave, just dpkg-reconfigure gdm will change it to gdm? |
| 13:58.15 | MASoft | deefzi, gr ? |
| 13:58.23 | MASoft | deeLer, gr ? |
| 13:58.29 | PerfDave | Eclipser: Suck it and see :) |
| 13:58.42 | Eclipser | I can't really, I'm asking for a friend... I have only gdm installed :p |
| 13:58.45 | asg | PerfDave: old Grim Reaper song |
| 13:58.46 | wombachi | Kddur2 /etc/init.d/iptables save ? (less /etc/init.d/iptables helped me a lot ) |
| 13:58.52 | Kddur2 | PerfDave & MASoft : i mean that some script sets me rules that i don't wont! |
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| 13:59.23 | Kddur2 | wombachi: I don't have /etc/ini.d/iptables file |
| 13:59.26 | deeLer | yes, the ALT-GR key , next to the space |
| 13:59.43 | zumbi | PerfDave, wombachi : thanks, but i am sid user, and this notebook its a work's notebook... also i just would like to recover X |
| 13:59.44 | wombachi | PerfDave I like learning things, but I was forced that time :-/ Perhaps I'll be less stupid next time. Is that called "experience" ? :) |
| 13:59.52 | wombachi | Kddur2 init.d, sorry |
| 14:00.00 | deeLer | 'alt-gr' key (right next to the spacebar) isn't working in X , any suggestions ? |
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| 14:00.17 | PerfDave | zumbi: If you're a sid user, you shouldn't have any problems when stuff breaks ;) |
| 14:00.26 | asg | deeLer: man xmodmap |
| 14:00.30 | Kddur2 | wombachi: yes i checked on init.d |
| 14:00.36 | MASoft | Kddur2, just save your iptables with iptables-save, and use the iptables-restore this in : /etc/init.d/rcS |
| 14:01.34 | MASoft | Kddur2, you are at the computer that you want to do ? |
| 14:01.45 | Kddur2 | MASoft: yes. |
| 14:03.28 | Kddur2 | I just need a command that search threw all the files if a pharse (the rules) are there... i'm sure it's a kind of script.. |
| 14:03.57 | MASoft | Kddur2, you must do it manually ! |
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| 14:04.15 | MASoft | Kddur2, it's really easy to do it ! |
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| 14:04.25 | CyBuX | hi, somebody can help me? |
| 14:04.39 | Kddur2 | MASoft: why manually to do pico on every file?.. ti's alot of itme.. |
| 14:04.45 | MASoft | CyBuX, ask smart ! what's your problem |
| 14:04.49 | adii | can someone help me with sound-related problem ? the sound WORKS (because when i enter kde i got a chime) , but i can't have any sound application working (xmms, totem return an error) |
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| 14:05.14 | MASoft | Kddur2, it's just 1 file ! anyway, Debian guys do it manually |
| 14:05.28 | Kddur2 | 1 file?.. but where it is? |
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| 14:06.03 | CyBuX | i install a package debian called care2x_1.d21-1.sarge_all.deb |
| 14:06.11 | CyBuX | but i have a problem |
| 14:06.17 | MASoft | Kddur2, I told u ! just add the iptables-restore with your saved table to /etc/init.d/rcS |
| 14:06.20 | dli | adii: artsd problem? |
| 14:06.34 | adii | dli, what's that "artsd" ? |
| 14:06.43 | CyBuX | when i try deinstall that package |
| 14:06.49 | CyBuX | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:06.49 | CyBuX | dpkg: error al procesar care2x (--purge): |
| 14:06.49 | CyBuX | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:06.49 | CyBuX | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:06.49 | CyBuX | Se encontraron errores al procesar: |
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| 14:07.01 | dli | adii: just my wild guess :) |
| 14:07.06 | Kddur2 | MASoft: so , what to add to /etc/init.d/rcS ? |
| 14:07.28 | Ronin | CyzarX: whats that mean in english? |
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| 14:07.41 | MASoft | Kddur2, iptables-restore < savedtable |
| 14:07.41 | PerfDave | adii: It would help if you told us what error you were given :) |
| 14:07.54 | adii | PerfDave : "no audio output available" |
| 14:07.56 | Kddur2 | MASoft: ok.. thanks. |
| 14:08.15 | dli | adii : "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" |
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| 14:08.29 | PerfDave | adii: Is that the whole of the error, or just part of it? |
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| 14:08.42 | licued | ohhh ... you guys are teaching me something here |
| 14:08.53 | licued | ... so when you do iptables-save ... that saves the config to a file? |
| 14:09.02 | licued | and iptables-restore reads from a file? |
| 14:09.11 | adii | ohh new clue : it works with another user, but not with me |
| 14:09.28 | NURV | licued, correct |
| 14:09.33 | licued | crazy :) |
| 14:09.37 | abrotman | licued: did you read the man page for it ? |
| 14:09.40 | licued | no |
| 14:09.53 | licued | so when you do iptables-save .. how do you specifiy the location |
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| 14:10.09 | NURV | licued, with '>' |
| 14:10.14 | licued | cool |
| 14:10.30 | licued | but you have to add iptabloes-resotre to your startup script |
| 14:10.32 | NURV | licued, iptables-save > /etc/iptables.conf for example |
| 14:10.34 | adii | PerfDave : Totem could not play 'file:///home ... file.mp3' (which is a working file), This is an audio-only file, and there is no audio output available |
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| 14:10.55 | licued | there is no other way of making your iptables configs stay permintent? |
| 14:10.57 | deeLer | i did a xkeycaps which made a xmodmap file, did xmodmap <file> , doesn't work |
| 14:11.07 | abrotman | licued: read the man page |
| 14:11.14 | abrotman | licued: read /usr/share/doc/iptables/* |
| 14:11.19 | NURV | licued, ofcourse there are, to change it manualy |
| 14:11.29 | licued | NURV, to change what manually? |
| 14:11.38 | zumbi | PerfDave: i do have problems.. also i'm not familiar with xorg, but i'm still a sid user |
| 14:11.39 | NURV | licued, read man pages |
| 14:11.45 | licued | that dosen't make sense |
| 14:11.48 | PerfDave | adii: Is your user in group "audio"? |
| 14:11.49 | licued | I said to change what manually |
| 14:11.58 | PerfDave | zumbi: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 14:12.00 | licued | man pages aren't going to tell me what you where refring to |
| 14:12.01 | licued | lol |
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| 14:12.05 | adii | PerfDave, i didn't check, how can i ? |
| 14:12.10 | NURV | licued, man pages will tell you what to change :-) |
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| 14:12.18 | licued | okay |
| 14:12.21 | bintut | what is you recommended ultra320 scsi raid 5 controller that is fully supported by the linux kernel? |
| 14:12.22 | abrotman | licued: YES THEY DO .. stop being so lazy |
| 14:12.23 | deeLer | i did a xkeycaps which made a xmodmap file, did xmodmap <file> , ALT-GR still doesn't work |
| 14:12.26 | licued | I love how you guy just help by saying "man this" |
| 14:12.29 | licued | I never do that |
| 14:12.34 | licued | I always help people |
| 14:12.48 | licued | obviously I could man shit all day, I come here to NOT do that |
| 14:12.50 | PerfDave | licued: Telling people which documentation they need to read *is* helping people. |
| 14:12.53 | zumbi | !hi |
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| 14:12.55 | NURV | licued, stop flooding please |
| 14:13.08 | abrotman | licued: we did help you .. people smarter than us wrote the documentation .. |
| 14:13.10 | abrotman | zumbi: very |
| 14:13.12 | asg | zumbi: it boggered off |
| 14:13.13 | deeLer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:13.16 | asg | s/og/ug/ |
| 14:13.24 | PerfDave | adii: On the command line, "groups $USER" will tell you to which groups the currently logged in user belongs. |
| 14:13.25 | licued | whatever, I disagree with that statement(s) |
| 14:13.34 | abrotman | licued: because you're not smart enough to read ? |
| 14:13.40 | licued | haha |
| 14:13.43 | licued | yea okay |
| 14:13.47 | adii | PerfDave, he is only in "adi" |
| 14:13.53 | PerfDave | licued: If you refuse to read documentation, why should we read it for you and spoonfeed you? |
| 14:14.02 | PerfDave | adii: Is "adi" the username? |
| 14:14.09 | licued | that's very stupid |
| 14:14.13 | Myon | deeLer: did you restore the default keybindings? |
| 14:14.17 | licued | if you know it, say it |
| 14:14.20 | adii | PerfDave, yes |
| 14:14.21 | licued | and you obviously know it |
| 14:14.24 | abrotman | fucking read you idiot |
| 14:14.26 | abrotman | god |
| 14:14.29 | deeLer | Myon, no .... howto ? |
| 14:14.29 | licued | but refuse to say it |
| 14:14.33 | asg | licued: too low bandwidth; pointing people to docs is much more efficient |
| 14:14.36 | Myon | there's a button |
| 14:14.38 | licued | lmfao |
| 14:14.39 | licued | yea okay |
| 14:14.40 | PerfDave | adii: Then as root, type "adduser adi audio" |
| 14:14.42 | adii | PerfDave, the sound-enabled user is on audio too |
| 14:14.47 | Myon | otherwise, it will just write out your current layout |
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| 14:14.52 | deeLer | cool :) |
| 14:14.56 | deeLer | Myon, it works |
| 14:14.56 | asg | licued: and when you help 700+ people, low bandwidth solutions are bad |
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| 14:15.08 | deeLer | Myon, how to make it autostart now ? |
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| 14:15.14 | Myon | otoh, you should probably dpkg-reconfiger xserver-xfree86 and choose the right thing |
| 14:15.29 | PerfDave | licued: If we spoonfed everyone who came along, then the channel would be full of spoonfeeding. We point people at documentation, if they still have problems then we offer more detailed help. That way we keep traffic on the channel down to manageable levels and help as many people as possible. |
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| 14:15.46 | deeLer | Myon, as i restart my x server it's the same problem again |
| 14:15.52 | licued | Okay, I agree with that PerfDave |
| 14:15.52 | PerfDave | adii: Once you've done that, you'll need to log out of X and back in again, and sound should work after that. |
| 14:15.57 | Myon | did you try reconfigureing? |
| 14:16.08 | Myon | put that xmodmap line in your .xsession |
| 14:16.09 | adii | PerfDave, you are perfectly right and now everything's working fine :) |
| 14:16.14 | adii | PerfDave, thanks much |
| 14:16.16 | PerfDave | adii: Sweet :) |
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| 14:17.11 | deeLer | Myon, if i do that xmodmap command in a Xterm, there is no difference ..... it only works after clicking the restore button on the xcapskey |
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| 14:17.32 | Myon | obviously you have to save the file again |
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| 14:17.45 | deeLer | i c ... |
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| 14:18.47 | flowtron | Has anybody here ever done a cross compile for Win32 on Debian? #c++ and #mingw haven't been helpful (so far) |
| 14:19.09 | deeLer | Myan, big thank you, it works |
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| 14:20.41 | jimjam | hey! |
| 14:21.59 | jimjam | how can i stop a normal user from viewing folders outside his own when they are logged in via ssh ? |
| 14:22.28 | asg | jimjam: libpam-chroot |
| 14:22.47 | snail | jimjam: I think you want to look at "chroot" |
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| 14:24.14 | jimjam | I dont really have any untrusted users on the system, i just would rather not them being able to go above their directory |
| 14:24.28 | jimjam | and end up in /root somewhere getting confused |
| 14:24.36 | asg | jimjam: they can't get into /root due to permissions |
| 14:24.41 | valdyn | jimjam: how are they supposed to run any command / program? |
| 14:24.56 | asg | jimjam: just tell them to type 'cd' if they get anywhere they don't recognize |
| 14:25.06 | jimjam | Well im logged in now, if i type cd.. im have ended up above my home dir :) |
| 14:25.19 | asg | jimjam: 'cd' == scroll of recall in Unixland |
| 14:25.30 | asg | jimjam: not cd .., just cd. That'll put you in your $HOME again |
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| 14:25.32 | stew | jimjam: there is no practical way of doing what you want |
| 14:25.55 | deeLer | xdm doesn't work; screen goes black , and returns to the console, any ideas ? |
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| 14:26.11 | asg | stew: rbash if done right can but it's hard, error prone, and a complete waste of time. |
| 14:26.40 | valdyn | jimjam: i think you can expect anyone who actually wants to ssh into linux to be capable of using 'cd ~' |
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| 14:27.00 | wombachi | jimjam: you can do that easily with proftpd (dont know for ssh) with "DefaultRoot ~", if they dont need running commands of course |
| 14:27.27 | jimjam | Yeah i sorted the proftpd issue, was hoping there was a simple ssh command that is similiar :) |
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| 14:28.10 | valdyn | jimjam: think about it straight, if someone cannot go outside his $HOME, he cannot use 'ls' he cant use any program |
| 14:28.18 | PerfDave | jimjam: What you're suggesting isn't practical or sensible :) |
| 14:28.31 | wombachi | jimjam: if they dont need ssh, just add /bin/false in /etc/shells (to provide ftp access) and set their shell to /bin/false, by example |
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| 14:28.35 | PerfDave | jimjam: We have file permissions to stop people accessing anything they shouldn't. That's all you need. |
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| 14:28.47 | deeLer | xdm doesn't work; screen goes black , and returns to the console, any ideas ? |
| 14:28.50 | asg | PerfDave: he's more concerned with users being confused than security |
| 14:29.06 | wombachi | jimjam so they can FTP but not ssh. |
| 14:29.40 | PerfDave | asg: Yeah, but file permissions stop that too ;) |
| 14:30.00 | PerfDave | Or just let them only use SFTP ;) |
| 14:30.02 | asg | jimjam: you are using FTP and ssh? |
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| 14:30.23 | oklinux | how often does debian update the distro ? |
| 14:30.31 | abrotman | oklinux: which version of debian ? |
| 14:30.37 | asg | oklinux: ambiguous question |
| 14:30.38 | oklinux | sarge |
| 14:30.47 | asg | oklinux: when security fixes are released |
| 14:30.48 | valdyn | oklinux: stable - rarely ( except for security fixes ) |
| 14:30.54 | valdyn | oklinux: every couple years |
| 14:31.02 | PerfDave | oklinux: Sarge only gets security updates, when they're needed. Etch, the next stable release of Debian, is scheduled for Christmas 2006 |
| 14:31.06 | jimjam | ftp and ssh yes :) |
| 14:31.15 | asg | jimjam: same accounts and passwords? |
| 14:31.18 | abrotman | oklinux: or every few months there will be a revision .. and it will include critical/grave bugs .. and security fixes |
| 14:31.20 | jimjam | Yes |
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| 14:31.29 | abrotman | oklinux: but the updates have to adhere to strict guidelines |
| 14:31.31 | asg | jimjam: that's silly. Have them use sftp or scp |
| 14:31.43 | abrotman | speaking of .. shouldn't 3.1r1 be right around the corner ? |
| 14:31.44 | oklinux | ok unlike mepis or dsl anything else there distro release every month or so |
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| 14:31.58 | oklinux | I hated that |
| 14:32.01 | abrotman | oklinux: that's what we have testing and unstable for .. people who like broken stuff :) |
| 14:32.11 | asg | jimjam: if your users need some silly windows gui, send them to ssh.com for a free (as in beer) client download or use putty. |
| 14:32.33 | oklinux | how do I know which version I use ? |
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| 14:32.39 | asg | oklinux: /etc/debian_version |
| 14:32.40 | wombachi | oklinux but Debian/testing is often more stable than OtherDistro/stable :) |
| 14:32.49 | abrotman | oklinux: start with stable |
| 14:33.29 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
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| 14:34.02 | asg | abrotman: it's still dreaming about rabbits |
| 14:34.06 | abrotman | apparently |
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| 14:34.50 | oklinux | my debian version just said 3.1 |
| 14:35.06 | PerfDave | oklinux: Debian 3.1 is "sarge" - http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 14:35.21 | oklinux | so is a good version ? |
| 14:35.29 | asg | is good, da |
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| 14:36.10 | oklinux | is only been a week for me on debian da |
| 14:36.26 | oklinux | im still learning |
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| 14:37.16 | Daffy-PKF | lo |
| 14:37.41 | oklinux | lo ? |
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| 14:37.49 | valdyn | oklinux: the 'updates' you should be getting are listed at http://www.debian.org/security |
| 14:37.49 | Daffy-PKF | lo==hello |
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| 14:38.06 | oklinux | ok hello |
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| 14:38.22 | tarzeau | !popcon |
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| 14:39.18 | valdyn | !test |
| 14:39.20 | Daffy-PKF | my router have just crashed, and i have this in kern.log : http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/FktY4W58.html I have checked my ram with memtest, and it didn't found any error... can someone help me to solve that? it does it regularly |
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| 14:39.42 | oklinux | hello stew how are you ? |
| 14:39.51 | abrotman | Daffy-PKF: do you use nfs ? |
| 14:39.57 | abrotman | nm |
| 14:40.06 | valdyn | Daffy-PKF: and your kernel version is ? |
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| 14:40.13 | Daffy-PKF | abrotman> yes, but it also crash when i don't use nfs |
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| 14:40.24 | abrotman | Daffy-PKF: i said nm |
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| 14:40.52 | Daffy-PKF | valdyn> 2.6.8-2-386, the thing is running sarge |
| 14:41.06 | abrotman | and your CPU is ? |
| 14:41.23 | ircdevil | is someone wants a 600 dpi cmyk picture in eps, does that make sense? |
| 14:41.54 | valdyn | Daffy-PKF: the problem with memtest86 is that it does not put load on the cpu, so overheat issues that happen all the time on 'real' systems cant be triggered in memtest86 |
| 14:41.56 | RichiH | ircdevil: why not? |
| 14:42.00 | abrotman | does printing make sense ? :) |
| 14:42.11 | abrotman | Daffy-PKF: what CPU ? |
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| 14:42.35 | Daffy-PKF | abrotman> cpu family : 5, model : 2, model name : Pentium 75 - 200, cpu MHz : 132.667 |
| 14:42.43 | abrotman | nice |
| 14:42.54 | stew | heh, he is using the right kernel :) |
| 14:43.01 | valdyn | hehe, that one doesnt really look like it could overheat easily |
| 14:43.06 | abrotman | Daffy-PKF: you could try cpuburn .. but i did it to a mahcine i thought was flaky .. and that was the last time the machine ever booted :) |
| 14:43.11 | Daffy-PKF | valdyn> ho i see |
| 14:43.14 | stew | no, they don't even have cpu fans |
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| 14:43.29 | abrotman | maybe it should have a fan |
| 14:43.40 | valdyn | Daffy-PKF: compile a kernel ( probably more than once ), if that runs flawlessly your hardware is ok |
| 14:43.42 | abrotman | the early PI CPUs ran fairly hot |
| 14:43.43 | Daffy-PKF | abrotman> maybe... |
| 14:44.01 | stew | my router here is a p133 underclocked to 100 Just In Case(tm) :) |
| 14:44.01 | abrotman | Daffy-PKF: i don't want to have you destroy the machine .. but cpuburn will abuse the hell out of the CPU |
| 14:44.01 | ircdevil | RichiH: aint dpi and eps mutually exclusive? i mean eps is just a set of freely scalable printing instructions. endless dpi? |
| 14:44.12 | valdyn | Daffy-PKF: if compiling aborts at *random* points then you are likely overheating |
| 14:44.15 | tarzeau | LOL http://rickdangerous.webhop.org/ |
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| 14:44.27 | RichiH | ircdevil: you can embed bitmap into eps, iirc |
| 14:44.29 | stew | actually i lied, that was a different machine |
| 14:44.41 | RichiH | ircdevil: for the general case, you are right, though |
| 14:44.48 | RichiH | ircdevil: just give them the eps :) |
| 14:44.50 | valdyn | Daffy-PKF: if you crash to often to do that, then that's obviously not a good idea tho ) |
| 14:44.53 | Daffy-PKF | valdyn> you want me to compile a kernel on that thing? it only have 15Meg of ram... it would take several years |
| 14:44.57 | abrotman | i have an alpha router .. you might think it's overkill .. and oyu'd be right :0 |
| 14:44.58 | oklinux | where do I find my boot log ? |
| 14:45.05 | abrotman | oklinux: /var/log ? |
| 14:45.07 | asg | oklinux: /var/log/dmesg |
| 14:45.18 | valdyn | Daffy-PKF: oh, that doesnt matter, point is that gcc is excellent to test your system stability |
| 14:45.44 | valdyn | Daffy-PKF: while many applications are not sensitive at all to small memory issues |
| 14:45.58 | valdyn | Daffy-PKF: ( like you wouldnt notice a misplaced pixel somewhere ) |
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| 14:46.33 | ircdevil | RichiH: ok - so they worry about embedded bitmap not being hi enuf resolution. that makes sense. but what about rgb contra cmyk. what is that about? |
| 14:46.57 | Daffy-PKF | valdyn> i see... well, need to get the kernel sources, and then uncompress them... maybe tomorrow i'll be able to try to compile it ^^ |
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| 14:49.04 | oklinux | asg so the dmesg is that the message that it show when the maching boot up ? |
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| 14:49.24 | valdyn | oklinux: dmesg shows the kernels debugging message ringbuffer |
| 14:49.25 | asg | oklinux: yes until init starts |
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| 14:50.22 | Daffy-PKF | isn't there a soft that can tell me my cpu temp? |
| 14:50.36 | Shadur | Depends. Does your hardware support it? |
| 14:51.02 | Daffy-PKF | Shadowcat> pentium 133 |
| 14:51.08 | Daffy-PKF | arf |
| 14:51.11 | Daffy-PKF | Shadur |
| 14:51.11 | Shadur | Daffy-PKF: Probably not, then. |
| 14:51.21 | Daffy-PKF | :/ |
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| 14:52.30 | Shadur | Those CPUs generally didn't really have much temperature issues, though. Especially not compared to nowadays. |
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| 14:54.45 | oklinux | what does this mean ACPI: Unable to locate RSDP ? |
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| 14:55.04 | _daniel_ | Hey anyone knows if there exist a software to link my TI-89 to my PC ? |
| 14:55.46 | timo | _daniel_, yes. tilp. |
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| 14:58.32 | _daniel_ | timo awesome, I was browsing through my repos with the wrong search, name is not really descriptive :) |
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| 14:59.33 | timo | _daniel_, searching with 'texas instruments' you would've discovered it |
| 14:59.47 | _daniel_ | I did :( |
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| 15:00.04 | wireddd | what can I use to reencode quicktime view into xvid? |
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| 15:00.15 | Phoul | is tehre a program in debian that will unrar things? |
| 15:00.15 | timo | _daniel_, maybe you don't know how to search then :] |
| 15:00.18 | wireddd | err view-video |
| 15:00.33 | _daniel_ | daniel@debian:~$ sudo apt-cache search texas-instruments |
| 15:00.33 | _daniel_ | daniel@debian:~$ |
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| 15:00.45 | timo | _daniel_, lose the hyphen |
| 15:01.00 | _daniel_ | haha :( |
| 15:01.01 | Phoul | Anyone know if theres a debian program that will unrar things? (program.rar) |
| 15:01.11 | _daniel_ | yes |
| 15:01.12 | asg | Phoul: /msg dpkg rar |
| 15:01.21 | asg | Phoul: er, /msg apt rar |
| 15:01.27 | ircdevil | is there a commandline tool that can tell the resolution of a jpg? |
| 15:01.28 | _daniel_ | get ark with unrar |
| 15:01.43 | timo | _daniel_, and you shouldn't need sudo to use apt-cache |
| 15:02.01 | asg | ircdevil: something in the imagemagick package can (can't remember the name of the utility offhand though) |
| 15:02.07 | _daniel_ | timo I know, but is just an habit...og typing sudo whenever I type apt |
| 15:02.33 | Phoul | umm just what program do i need to unrar things? |
| 15:02.42 | valdyn | !rar |
| 15:02.46 | asg | Phoul: rar or unrar. One is in non-free. You figure it out. |
| 15:02.49 | timo | ircdevil, the name is identify |
| 15:02.52 | asg | valdyn: the bot is AWOL |
| 15:02.59 | asg | ~rar |
| 15:03.01 | apt | rumour has it, rar is an archiver used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz ;), or unrar to unrar things |
| 15:03.01 | valdyn | =/ |
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| 15:03.07 | asg | @rar |
| 15:03.26 | Phoul | there is no program called unrar |
| 15:03.31 | _daniel_ | yes there is |
| 15:03.32 | asg | Phoul: because it's in non-free |
| 15:03.36 | valdyn | !info unrar-nonfree sarge |
| 15:03.39 | Phoul | is there a freeone |
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| 15:03.48 | valdyn | !info unrar-free sarge |
| 15:03.49 | asg | Phoul: yes, called rar |
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| 15:03.55 | asg | valdyn: the bot is AWOL :) |
| 15:03.58 | valdyn | hah, damn |
| 15:04.05 | valdyn | asg: ya, brainfart |
| 15:04.10 | Phoul | im looking for it in synaptic and its not there |
| 15:04.10 | PerfDave | Phoul: There's a Free one but it doesn't work with recent RAR files. RAR is a silly format, don't use it :) |
| 15:04.10 | asg | valdyn: :) |
| 15:04.19 | asg | Phoul: then use apt-cache search |
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| 15:04.56 | Phoul | apt-cache rar? |
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| 15:05.10 | asg | PerfDave: when the bot comes back up, we should write the 'warez/pr0n toolkit factoid' |
| 15:05.13 | Ronin | Phoul: apt-cache search |
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| 15:05.52 | _daniel_ | synaptic should find it the same |
| 15:06.11 | valdyn | .. unless hes missing non-free sources ( as is default ) |
| 15:06.15 | Phoul | darn because i have something but its in rar |
| 15:06.18 | Phoul | ... |
| 15:06.30 | _daniel_ | just do apt-get install rar |
| 15:06.37 | Ronin | then install it already Phoul |
| 15:06.44 | Phoul | i tried apt-get install rar |
| 15:06.54 | _daniel_ | ok just do apt-get install unrar |
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| 15:07.02 | PerfDave | Somebody point Phoul at some Debian newbie documentation already, this is painful :) |
| 15:07.10 | Phoul | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 15:07.10 | Phoul | Package unrar is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 15:07.10 | Phoul | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 15:07.10 | Phoul | is only available from another source |
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| 15:07.16 | asg | PerfDave: he's been told, numerous times |
| 15:07.27 | valdyn | Phoul: why dont you add non-free sources? |
| 15:07.28 | Ronin | Phoul: are you reading anythign people are telling youhere? |
| 15:07.46 | Phoul | umm |
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| 15:07.47 | Phoul | no? |
| 15:07.50 | goccia | it is old : unrar-nonfre is newer but obviously buggy : 2.5.0 has a local exploit |
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| 15:08.07 | goccia | 3.5.0 * |
| 15:08.20 | _daniel_ | Phoul, do apt-setup |
| 15:08.27 | _daniel_ | and get non-free sources too |
| 15:08.30 | tarzeau | which driver of these do i want? https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=300 |
| 15:08.36 | _daniel_ | when asked, say 'yes' |
| 15:08.38 | tarzeau | when i have an ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 5940 (rev |
| 15:08.46 | valdyn | 7z is neat, but doesnt handle all rars nor windows ( \ ) directories |
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| 15:08.47 | _daniel_ | tarzeau, video driver ? |
| 15:08.51 | PerfDave | asg: Yeah, I told Phoul a load yesterday, but he's clearly not listening :) |
| 15:09.04 | Phoul | Question. How do i go about changing icons in kde? |
| 15:09.29 | goccia | changint to korilla ? :) |
| 15:09.32 | goccia | ng* |
| 15:09.37 | valdyn | tarzeau: run update-pciids ? |
| 15:09.42 | tarzeau | _daniel_: yes |
| 15:09.45 | _daniel_ | Phoul, go to control panel and change them |
| 15:09.49 | _daniel_ | tarzeau add |
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| 15:10.01 | tarzeau | valdyn: ah cool, let me try |
| 15:10.04 | _daniel_ | deb http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian-fglrx-xorg/ ./ |
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| 15:10.10 | tarzeau | _daniel_: didn't help |
| 15:10.12 | _daniel_ | to your repos and get the ati driver |
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| 15:10.20 | tarzeau | _daniel_: the thing is i want upstream documentation |
| 15:10.25 | skiflyer | I want my debian box to be able to send email for programs like bugzilla... but it's on an intranet, and does not need to be a real mail server by any stretch... if it makes things easier I do have a mail server sitting in the wild which I can probably relay through (it's running CentOS) |
| 15:10.26 | _daniel_ | tarzeau, then get the sources and make it your self |
| 15:10.26 | astdarkness | yeah |
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| 15:10.35 | tarzeau | _daniel_: and not that debian package. since i build about 14 kernels for alot of machines |
| 15:10.35 | skiflyer | is this something I can do relatively simply? |
| 15:10.39 | BucWheat | any mondo users in chan? |
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| 15:10.47 | valdyn | tarzeau: ati produces only 1 driver for gfx cards. |
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| 15:10.58 | PerfDave | skiflyer: You can tell your Debian box to send mail directly to the Internet, or through any SMTP server you desire. |
| 15:11.02 | _daniel_ | tarzeau, like I said get the debian sources and build your own package |
| 15:11.04 | tarzeau | valdyn: ok which do i take then from https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=300 ? |
| 15:11.06 | PerfDave | skiflyer: Personally, I'd relay through your ISP's servers. |
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| 15:11.50 | scruffy | skiflyer: exim or postfix? |
| 15:11.58 | MASoft | How can I activate ESD in Gnome (Debian Sarge) ? |
| 15:12.01 | valdyn | tarzeau: tarzeau Linux drivers and Software - those all should link to the same driver. But dont expect this to work at all on a debian system |
| 15:12.06 | skiflyer | PerfDave: Ok, assuming I relay through my server instead (since my ISP isn't reliable enough for me) where do I find docs on how to do this? |
| 15:12.32 | PerfDave | skiflyer: Just dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, or set it up when you install. |
| 15:12.32 | skiflyer | scruffy: I have minimal experience with exim, and none with postfix... but I'm not tied to either yet |
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| 15:12.55 | valdyn | tarzeau: im not sure if ati is doing this to giv the illusion that FireGL has some 'extra professional' drivers. They are identical though anyway |
| 15:13.19 | tarzeau | valdyn: i see, thanks |
| 15:14.33 | tarzeau | valdyn: there is firegl and raden, how do i know which i want? |
| 15:14.44 | valdyn | tarzeau: they're the same |
| 15:15.01 | tarzeau | valdyn: awww why do they invent so fucking many names for the same bullshit? |
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| 15:15.28 | skiflyer | PerfDave: Ok, but At the Select configuration type that best meets my needs I don't know which to choose, nothing really matches |
| 15:15.29 | valdyn | tarzeau: that's what im talking about, FireGL is just the 'professional' ( more expensive ) version of the gamers radeon type cards |
| 15:15.41 | valdyn | tarzeau: probably > display quality or whatever |
| 15:15.46 | tarzeau | valdyn: hahah the morons really link over a different link to the same crap link |
| 15:15.53 | valdyn | tarzeau: yea |
| 15:15.57 | skiflyer | PerfDave: or is this what mail sent by smarthost; received via SMTP is? |
| 15:15.59 | tarzeau | hilarious |
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| 15:16.06 | ircdevil | tarzeau: moron - now look what i am wasting my time with :oP |
| 15:16.17 | tarzeau | ircdevil: haha |
| 15:16.20 | PerfDave | skiflyer: A smarthost is a remote SMTP server to relay mail through. You'll want one of the smarthost options. |
| 15:16.25 | valdyn | tarzeau: once upon a time professional cards really had more performance than gamer cards ) |
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| 15:17.43 | abrotman | dpkg: still sleeping ? |
| 15:17.54 | skiflyer | PerfDave: Is there a FM for this, otherwise i fear I'm going to be coming back every screen... |
| 15:18.09 | PerfDave | skiflyer: /usr/share/doc/exim* ? apt-cache search exim doc? |
| 15:18.24 | skiflyer | PerfDave: thanks, I'll check it out |
| 15:18.37 | PerfDave | skiflyer: But really, it's pretty self explanatory. |
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| 15:20.00 | valdyn | skiflyer: to me it looks like picking the smarthost option really does fit your needs |
| 15:20.14 | mkl1525 | Hi, if I add a cronjob and use "script1.sh && script2.sh > /dev/null" does all output go to /dev/null or just the output of the last script? |
| 15:20.22 | skiflyer | valdyn: Yeah, now that I know what it is it does, I was afraid a "smarthost" was some specific debian setup |
| 15:20.46 | valdyn | skiflyer: the 'real' mail server thing you avoid / restrict by specifying which network(s) its listening to ( for you just localhost ) i guess |
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| 15:21.21 | skiflyer | valdyn: good, cause that's what I just hit enter about ;) |
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| 15:24.28 | skiflyer | Ok... this might sound dumb, but how do I test that it worked? |
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| 15:26.37 | dkowis | I looked through the APT-Howto and didn't find how to ask apt what's installed, can I even do that? |
| 15:26.37 | bryan | my slapd install doesn't appear to work 'out of the box' |
| 15:26.52 | dkowis | I need to get a list of what packages are installed on a box |
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| 15:27.11 | valdyn | dkowis: dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
| 15:27.18 | dkowis | valdyn: thanks :) |
| 15:28.11 | sha1sum | much better P |
| 15:28.12 | sha1sum | :P |
| 15:28.18 | bryan | ldapsearch returns a "Can't contact LDAP server (-1)" |
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| 15:29.00 | PerfDave | skiflyer: echo "This is a test" | mail -s Test me@someremoteaddress.com |
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| 15:29.37 | bryan | does anyone here use slapd? |
| 15:29.41 | bryan | hmph.. |
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| 15:32.56 | abrotman | bryan: there's a whole channel for ldap |
| 15:33.41 | bryan | abrotman: got impatient... people are aparently asleep in there... |
| 15:34.12 | abrotman | bryan: you can try asking here .. but that is really the correct channel .. they should know more than us about ldap |
| 15:34.56 | abrotman | bryan: phrase your question well :) |
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| 15:35.23 | bryan | abrotman: perhaps difficult to do that, when i'm unsure of the cause of failure |
| 15:35.34 | abrotman | bryan: logs? error messages ? |
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| 15:36.23 | dimir | I's say, carefully read the docs? |
| 15:36.32 | bryan | docs? |
| 15:36.34 | dimir | s/s /d / |
| 15:36.49 | dimir | Yes. Did you setup your config files, schema? |
| 15:36.53 | scruffy | bryan: /usr/share/doc/slapd? |
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| 15:37.02 | zvn | ssh -X host; echo $DISPLAY --> no output. What can be the reason of ssh not setting $DISPLAY? |
| 15:37.28 | dimir | zvn: ssh server not allowing X11 forwarding. |
| 15:37.28 | bryan | Heh... yeah... read them over... and looked over the .conf files left over from the dpkg configure when apt installed it |
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| 15:37.36 | bbrazil | zvn: look in sshd_config, x forwarding is probably disabled |
| 15:37.38 | matadon | Anyone know of a good userspace program that can limit TCP throughput? E.g., have it listen on a local socket, limit the bandwidth to Xkbps, and pass that through to some preconfigured remote? |
| 15:37.51 | zvn | dimir, thanks |
| 15:37.55 | zvn | bbrazil, thanks |
| 15:37.55 | dimir | np |
| 15:38.07 | tarzeau | matadon: there's simpleproxy, maybe you can hack it a little bit :) |
| 15:38.13 | MrManu | how can i copy a group of files, for example all files in a dir starting with a-d? |
| 15:38.28 | tarzeau | oh wait userspace program that gets or puts data over TCP? |
| 15:38.29 | matadon | tarzeau: I think I may have found a way to do things with rsync. |
| 15:38.36 | bryan | there's 3 slapd processes running... no obvious failures in the syslog |
| 15:38.43 | tarzeau | matadon: oh tell us, i'd like to know too |
| 15:39.00 | tarzeau | MrManu: [a-d]* or so? |
| 15:39.16 | zvn | dimir, is X11Forwarding yes sufficient? |
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| 15:39.27 | dimir | A-ha. |
| 15:39.57 | dimir | and make ssh server re-read the config, of course. |
| 15:40.04 | zvn | restarted it already |
| 15:40.07 | scruffy | bryan: do you see *anything* referring to slapd in the syslog? Check daemon.log also. |
| 15:40.07 | zvn | no luck... |
| 15:40.08 | dimir | Good. |
| 15:40.14 | phaedral | opinions sought; msg me if you don't want ot put it in the channel; what's the word on openoffice 2; I specifically want to know what #debian gurus think so far; thanks! |
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| 15:40.42 | MrManu | tarzeau thx :) |
| 15:40.56 | dimir | zvn: it works thourh ssh, does not set the DISPLAY, instead try something like 'ssh remotehost -X xcalc' |
| 15:40.57 | MrManu | tarzeau, and all files except a group? |
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| 15:41.15 | zvn | dimir, nah, no luck |
| 15:41.23 | Assassin5 | why is it that managers just refuse to believe anything other than their own opinion? |
| 15:41.35 | zvn | display: unable to open X server `'. |
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| 15:41.40 | Virtual | I have two problems with my debian which I just can't figure out, would apreciate of you could solve them or any of them, first one : I can`t lower the volume from the volume control, it is at max, I mention that I am using alsa for sound. |
| 15:41.50 | bryan | There's a mention of failure of IPv6 socket (address family not supported by protocol) |
| 15:42.04 | bryan | That appears when slapd is restarted |
| 15:42.04 | tarzeau | MrManu: like all but a-d? |
| 15:42.14 | tarzeau | MrManu: that'd be [\!a-d]* .. |
| 15:42.18 | MrManu | tarzeau: yes, for example :) |
| 15:42.23 | tarzeau | more or less, got .files? |
| 15:42.27 | zvn | ssh -X host; echo $DISPLAY --> no output. What can be the reason of ssh not setting $DISPLAY if X11Forwarding yes in sshd_config? |
| 15:42.39 | tarzeau | zvn: client config? |
| 15:42.49 | zvn | zvn: be more specific? |
| 15:42.55 | MrManu | tarzeau, ahhh u pwn :) i looked up the manuals but couldn't find anything related....how do you know? |
| 15:42.56 | zvn | tarzeau: be more specific? |
| 15:43.06 | tarzeau | zvn: check /etc/ssh/ in client and server |
| 15:43.16 | tarzeau | MrManu: know what? i have zsh :) |
| 15:43.27 | tarzeau | MrManu: ! is special in some shells |
| 15:43.30 | tarzeau | for history |
| 15:43.35 | zvn | tarzeau, shouldn't -X override /etc/ssh/ssh_config? |
| 15:43.39 | MrManu | tarzeau: i have bash |
| 15:43.53 | tarzeau | zvn: command line options should override them afaik |
| 15:43.59 | tarzeau | zvn: still i'd check them |
| 15:44.15 | tarzeau | zvn: ssh was restarted when the x11forw change was done? |
| 15:44.21 | zvn | yeah |
| 15:44.25 | zvn | on the server side |
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| 15:44.39 | scruffy | bryan: okay, with my ldap experience approaching 0.001 :), does `telnet localhost 389` provide any useful information? |
| 15:45.22 | MrManu | tarzeau: doesn't work in bash... |
| 15:45.30 | tarzeau | MrManu: it should also work there |
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| 15:45.50 | tarzeau | MrManu: works here, what's the exact command you try? bash version? |
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| 15:46.22 | afta | hi |
| 15:46.33 | MrManu | tarzeau, ah i typed [\! a-d] and not [\!a-d] |
| 15:46.54 | dimir | znv: really strange, works here. |
| 15:46.56 | afta | does anybody know how to find the clock resolution in msec? |
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| 15:47.04 | MrManu | tarzeau, ok thx 'n bye |
| 15:47.31 | dimir | zvn: does it create the ~/.Xauthority file on remote host? |
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| 15:48.40 | bryan | scruffy: Connects... then closed by foreign host |
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| 15:50.02 | scruffy | bryan: I'm out of quarters :\ |
| 15:50.34 | dimir | bryan: The server is allowing connections to 636? |
| 15:50.38 | scruffy | bryan: I'm guessing there are no obvious access controls or something that are preventing you from using it. |
| 15:51.21 | dimir | bryan: or 389 if no SSL over LDAP. |
| 15:51.51 | zvn | dimir, no |
| 15:51.51 | bryan | dimir: haven't gotten to the point of trying with SSL, yet... |
| 15:51.52 | dimir | (which is bad idea in the first place, unless you know what you are doing) |
| 15:52.00 | dimir | bryan: OK. :-) |
| 15:52.09 | zvn | dimir, no, it doesn't create .Xauthority |
| 15:52.10 | dimir | zvn: I guess that's the problem. |
| 15:52.15 | bryan | 636 doesn't even let me connect. |
| 15:52.33 | dimir | bryan: what does 389 say, can you telnet to it? |
| 15:52.37 | zvn | dimir, tarzeau, so what can I do next? |
| 15:52.53 | bryan | dimir: Connection closed by foreign host.. |
| 15:53.04 | dimir | zvn: let me think... |
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| 15:53.11 | dimir | bryan: there you go. |
| 15:53.13 | bryan | -Y? |
| 15:53.14 | zvn | dimir, wait, on client side? |
| 15:53.22 | dimir | zvn: no, server. |
| 15:53.33 | zvn | dimir, nope |
| 15:53.49 | tarzeau | zvn: play nethack |
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| 15:54.09 | zvn | tarzeau, ok, thanks /me leaves the channel to play nethack |
| 15:54.22 | zvn | tarzeau, try to be more constructive |
| 15:54.26 | tarzeau | zvn: sometimes playing it gets you ideas, or just sleep over it |
| 15:54.32 | tarzeau | really i don't know |
| 15:54.45 | tarzeau | zvn: both are openssh? |
| 15:54.53 | zvn | zvn, yeah |
| 15:54.58 | zvn | tarzeau, yeah |
| 15:55.00 | tarzeau | recent versions? what abut the xauth, you have that on the client/server? |
| 15:55.12 | tarzeau | i've also seen some strange user setting DISPLAY in their login scripts (csh) |
| 15:55.25 | tarzeau | zvn: echo $DISPLAY right after login, says nothing? |
| 15:55.28 | yang26_ | I try to obtain an image from debian mirror, but I can "only" get it with 1.2MB/s for a 100mbit link? |
| 15:55.29 | zvn | tarzeau, yeah |
| 15:55.50 | zvn | grep DISPLAY .* -> nothing |
| 15:55.54 | tarzeau | zvn: try the verbose options or run ssh in gdb/strace/ltrace .. good luck |
| 15:56.13 | scruffy | bryan: your first telnet attempt produced some sort of log output in daemon.log, right? |
| 15:56.17 | zvn | tarzeau, tell me more about xauth |
| 15:56.29 | zvn | tarzeau, both sides should have it? |
| 15:56.30 | tarzeau | zvn: do you have it installed? is it in the user $PATH? |
| 15:56.34 | tarzeau | zvn: i'm not sure |
| 15:56.52 | dimir | zvn: do an 'echo $DISPLAY' before you issue 'ssh -X ...' |
| 15:56.55 | dimir | is it set? |
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| 15:57.11 | zvn | dimir, yeah, I wouldn't be able to use X otherwise |
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| 15:57.39 | dimir | OK, so, from the same session you run ssh client you can run X apps? |
| 15:57.44 | skiflyer | PerfDave: Ok, I did everything, but mail isn't working... the /var/log/exim4/mainlog looks ok, but I didn't actually receive anything |
| 15:57.56 | zvn | dimir, yeah |
| 15:58.42 | skiflyer | Oh I take that back, I see a connection timed out in the log |
| 15:58.56 | dimir | zvn: Debian? |
| 15:59.52 | zvn | dimir, server is debian |
| 15:59.58 | zvn | dimir, client is Fedora |
| 15:59.59 | dimir | zvn: and if you issue 'xdpyinfo' before running ssh client, it gives no errors? |
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| 16:00.09 | dimir | On the client, that is. |
| 16:00.36 | zvn | dimir, no errors |
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| 16:00.55 | niklaus | which is the best filesystem for 1 exabyte ? |
| 16:00.55 | zvn | hah |
| 16:01.02 | zvn | tarzeau was right |
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| 16:01.26 | zvn | I installed xbase-clients at the server side and it works now |
| 16:01.35 | zvn | xauth was needed |
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| 16:02.15 | niklaus | which is the best filesystem for 1 exabyte ? |
| 16:02.30 | Franck | can you send me |
| 16:02.35 | Franck | to korta@neuf.fr the readme.Debian.gz of /usr/share/doc |
| 16:02.37 | Franck | plzz ? |
| 16:02.53 | dimir | heh |
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| 16:03.05 | dimir | just was about asking if xauth is available. |
| 16:03.19 | dimir | Xauth is the new method, replacing xhost. |
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| 16:04.26 | dimir | it creates .Xauthority file, which you were missing. |
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| 16:04.51 | valdyn | niklaus: ...and who would host something like that? |
| 16:05.03 | squid0 | hi |
| 16:05.08 | zvn | is it possible to su and run programs as root via forwarded X |
| 16:05.22 | valdyn | zvn: if you used sux instead of su |
| 16:05.26 | bryan | scruffy: my first telnet attempt made no output in daemon.log |
| 16:05.28 | niklaus | valdyn: remember the recent post on slashdot |
| 16:05.45 | niklaus | i was searching and found zfs has more than that. So just thinking in terms of journalling and other stuff |
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| 16:06.04 | valdyn | niklaus: that was about 1 petabyte |
| 16:06.04 | squid0 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:06.09 | bryan | ugh |
| 16:06.20 | bryan | scruffy: looks like i got it... |
| 16:06.28 | niklaus | valdyn: yes i just extended it |
| 16:06.30 | niklaus | :) |
| 16:06.32 | bryan | scruffy: needed another entry in my hosts.allow |
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| 16:06.59 | scruffy | bryan: great! |
| 16:07.01 | skiflyer | I'm trying to setup exim4 to relay off my mail server and I'm not having any luck, by looking at the logs I think it's because it's sending the mail server my local user password instead of the one in /etc/exim4/passwd.client... does anyone know what I should be trying next? |
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| 16:07.26 | okdebian | any one use ymessenger ? |
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| 16:07.46 | skiflyer | I didn't enable rewriting, and now I'm thinking pehraps I should have, but if I run dpkg-reconfigure exim4-base, it doesn't run the config program anymore |
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| 16:08.39 | valdyn | niklaus: i wonder where you'd want to get 10000000 harddisks |
| 16:08.47 | goccia | skiflyer: less /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf |
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| 16:09.43 | skiflyer | goccia: thanks I'll look in there |
| 16:10.11 | goccia | skiflyer: np :) |
| 16:11.01 | Franck | is there anyone |
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| 16:11.17 | Franck | to send me the readme.debian.Gz located in /usr/share/doc/iproute/ |
| 16:11.25 | Franck | to korta@neuf.fr |
| 16:11.27 | Franck | plzz |
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| 16:11.41 | WoodyWoodpecker | I am trying to set up encrypted root partition on my laptop. I read /usr/share/doc/cryptosetup/* but this couldn`t help for this problem I got |
| 16:11.56 | WoodyWoodpecker | I could encrypt swap by configuring /etc/crypttab |
| 16:12.08 | nkuttler | Franck: get the deb from packages.debian.org, ar x the deb |
| 16:12.08 | WoodyWoodpecker | But as soon as I do it for / I get klog errors |
| 16:12.20 | WoodyWoodpecker | device-mapper: crypt: Device lookup failed |
| 16:12.26 | Franck | i have no debian installed |
| 16:12.29 | Franck | i use windows |
| 16:12.29 | WoodyWoodpecker | device-mapper: error adding target to table |
| 16:12.31 | squid0 | i'm trying to build a program using make on ubuntu, but i get this error message: 'bash: glib-genmarshal: command not found'. What should I do? |
| 16:12.40 | nkuttler | Franck: you don't need debian, just an archiver that does ar |
| 16:12.42 | WoodyWoodpecker | Command failed: The argument is wrong |
| 16:12.52 | valdyn | squid0: you should ask that in the apropriate channel |
| 16:12.53 | hytt | Franck> IZarc open some deb file |
| 16:13.04 | Franck | ok i will dowload it |
| 16:13.11 | Franck | from debian.org |
| 16:13.13 | WoodyWoodpecker | Someone here encryts hard disks |
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| 16:13.29 | squid0 | valdyn: i tried in ##linux, but no concrete answer |
| 16:13.37 | skiflyer | goccia: I'm not seeing what I need to change in this file |
| 16:13.49 | valdyn | squid0: what about #ubuntu ? |
| 16:14.05 | squid0 | valdyn: already tried that :( |
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| 16:14.23 | valdyn | !find glib-genmarshal |
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| 16:14.41 | valdyn | ~find glib-genmarshal |
| 16:14.44 | goccia | skiflyer: i think you asked for this line : " yourself or use 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config'" |
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| 16:15.33 | squid0 | valdyn: someone on ##linux recommended i install glib. But they weren't sure which version to use. It doesn't appear in Synaptic. What do you say? |
| 16:15.33 | skiflyer | goccia: I'll give it a try, thanks again |
| 16:15.39 | valdyn | squid0: <apt> Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 16:16.17 | valdyn | squid0: i bet ubuntu has debians apt-file too |
| 16:16.31 | goccia | skiflyer: so this time : you are welcome :) |
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| 16:17.26 | Franck | excuse me, the tool to read .deb files on windows ? |
| 16:17.36 | squid0 | valdyn: you mean apt-file command? No, it doesn't. |
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| 16:17.50 | goccia | a deb is a ar file : just open it |
| 16:17.50 | dimir | is there an 'ar' for windows? |
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| 16:18.08 | Franck | ok i try it |
| 16:18.10 | encompass | yeah, the letter R! |
| 16:18.17 | hytt | Franck> tiens: http://izarc.free.fr/ |
| 16:18.18 | Anthro | squid0: I'd guess you need libglib2.0-dev, but the right place to find out is #ubuntu. #debian is not a fallback channel for #ubuntu. |
| 16:18.28 | WoodyWoodpecker | Does someone encrypt hard disks ? |
| 16:18.32 | Franck | tx hytt |
| 16:18.35 | dimir | I guess WinZIP and such shite should be able to handle 'ar' arhchives. |
| 16:18.44 | hytt | Franck> cest une vesion francaise |
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| 16:18.48 | Anthro | WoodyWoodpecker: There is no good way to encrypt one's root partition. |
| 16:19.08 | encompass | I take it with me muhhhahaha |
| 16:19.12 | dimir | There is GEFS. |
| 16:19.17 | Franck | winrar can't open it |
| 16:19.24 | Franck | i try with your tool hytt |
| 16:19.26 | goccia | good news |
| 16:19.31 | hytt | yup :) |
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| 16:20.18 | squid0 | Anthro: thanks, that is a help. You're right, and I understand that they are different channels with different purposes. I just knew I'd get a lot of experienced users here, whereas #ubuntu is currently crowded with newbies wanting to find out how to play mp3s in ubuntu... |
| 16:20.22 | WoodyWoodpecker | Anthro: But I need it. It is important to encrypt data which is important |
| 16:20.25 | dimir | Franck: TkZip can handle ar's. |
| 16:21.01 | valdyn | squid0: http://packages.debian.org/ provides means to search for files in packages |
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| 16:21.09 | spoonman- | !filesystem |
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| 16:21.12 | squid0 | valdyn: great. thanks |
| 16:21.22 | baz | having problems with ssmtp, perhaps I'm using the wrong package |
| 16:21.22 | dimir | Soundgarden! |
| 16:21.29 | Anthro | WoodyWoodpecker: What do you have on your root partition that needs encrypting? A few files in /etc? Put them on another partition and add symlinks. |
| 16:21.33 | baz | I want mail to my local user account to be automatically forwarded to my isp |
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| 16:21.37 | baz | but it's not doing so |
| 16:22.04 | WoodyWoodpecker | No, I have data I am working on. |
| 16:22.16 | baz | if I "mail -v baz" I see it connect to the correct relay server, but it sends FROM the address I setup in revaliases TO 'baz', which isn't too useful |
| 16:22.19 | WoodyWoodpecker | My company told me to encrypt hard disks |
| 16:22.47 | Anthro | WoodyWoodpecker: Put the data you need encrypted on another partition. Do not attempt to encrypt the root partition. |
| 16:23.03 | Anthro | WoodyWoodpecker: I generally encrypt /home, and figure that's sufficient. |
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| 16:23.26 | WoodyWoodpecker | But once I do encrypt I would like to encrypt everything |
| 16:23.43 | goccia | what for ? |
| 16:23.46 | Anthro | WoodyWoodpecker: How would you like to boot your computer if everything is encrypted? |
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| 16:23.56 | WoodyWoodpecker | initrd |
| 16:24.04 | amphi | Anthro: how bad is the performance hit? |
| 16:24.16 | Anthro | WoodyWoodpecker: You're a genius. Now, where is that initrd being read from? |
| 16:24.16 | WoodyWoodpecker | I know it works, I even talked with one of the developers, but he is in vacation :-/ |
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| 16:24.25 | WoodyWoodpecker | ^^usb |
| 16:24.28 | Anthro | amphi: The encryption? |
| 16:24.43 | WoodyWoodpecker | I could even do this in a small partition which I don`t encrypt |
| 16:24.47 | amphi | Anthro: yeah |
| 16:24.48 | skiflyer | Still no joy getting my debian server to relay off my main server... I'm guessing it's because it's sending the wrong username & password... I'm guessing that because the log says U=myLocalLogin P=local, rather than U=myremotelogin P=somethingElse |
| 16:24.49 | WoodyWoodpecker | and than do chroot |
| 16:24.59 | WoodyWoodpecker | I don`t really know how I would like it |
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| 16:25.26 | lindenle | /list' |
| 16:25.46 | Anthro | WoodyWoodpecker: Good lord. You need to figure out what you are doing. If you want your HD to be used for data only, use a Knoppix CD to boot and treat the entire disk as a data partition |
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| 16:26.17 | zottty | Hi! |
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| 16:26.30 | zottty | could you tell me any pakage of debian, i can convert mp3 to wav with? |
| 16:26.42 | WoodyWoodpecker | Anthro: Well there is no security than |
| 16:26.45 | lindenle | We are having an issue where ssh disconnects clients after approximately 15 minutes of idleness. Does anyone know where i can change this setting. Note: it only seems to happen using windows ssh clients i.e. SSH and Putty |
| 16:26.47 | Anthro | amphi: Not bad. What I actually have is a RAID5, cryptoloop on that (I created it before 2.6 and dmcrypt was available), and LVM on that. It's fast enough for full-motion video. |
| 16:26.48 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 16:26.50 | abrotman | bah |
| 16:26.55 | abrotman | zottty: apt-cache search mp3 wav |
| 16:27.05 | abrotman | zottty: you'll get players and converters |
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| 16:27.20 | abrotman | lindenle: firewall ? |
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| 16:27.38 | Anthro | WoodyWoodpecker: Sure there is. Your HD can be encrypted. You just create the encryption loop and mount from that every time you boot. |
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| 16:28.11 | WoodyWoodpecker | Hm .... But were should I put the key ? |
| 16:28.29 | lindenle | abrotman: nope happens internally too, and I am having a hard time repeating with a linx client |
| 16:28.31 | WoodyWoodpecker | Maybe if I put it on the cd it will work, ok that is an argument |
| 16:28.39 | Anthro | WoodyWoodpecker: In your brain. Don't write it down. Don't store it anywhere. That's the whole point of encryption! |
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| 16:28.44 | abrotman | lindenle: google help at all ? |
| 16:28.46 | WoodyWoodpecker | But still I would like to use my system |
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| 16:29.02 | WoodyWoodpecker | The key is pretty long you now |
| 16:29.02 | lindenle | abrotman: looking but nothing much so far.... |
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| 16:29.09 | WoodyWoodpecker | I don`t mean the passphrase |
| 16:29.13 | WoodyWoodpecker | I mean the key |
| 16:29.14 | Anthro | WoodyWoodpecker: You have no clue whatsoever how to deal with dmcrypt, do you? |
| 16:29.28 | Anthro | WoodyWoodpecker: What key? The passphrase is the key for dmcrypt. |
| 16:29.45 | WoodyWoodpecker | It is ? |
| 16:29.58 | WoodyWoodpecker | I now that I have to read it from interactive |
| 16:30.04 | WoodyWoodpecker | Hm, that is a point then |
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| 16:30.23 | ism | how to add a eterm start in the .xsession file that executes irssi ? |
| 16:30.28 | WoodyWoodpecker | How should I have a clue if I never used it |
| 16:30.42 | Anthro | WoodyWoodpecker: Reading the documentation? Google? |
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| 16:31.04 | WoodyWoodpecker | I did that, but could propably not keep everything ? |
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| 16:31.10 | Anthro | Today's clues have been provided by the number 10 and the letters I, D, and T |
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| 16:31.42 | Anthro | WoodyWoodpecker: could not keep everything? What? |
| 16:31.56 | WoodyWoodpecker | ^^ the information in the manuals |
| 16:32.12 | Anthro | WoodyWoodpecker: Could not keep it where? |
| 16:32.27 | WoodyWoodpecker | I like to learn by doing, not by reading. Too I read before I use. |
| 16:32.30 | Under^Uni | hi..i want to install linux..but i was wondering which 1 is beter...rhel or debian or ubuntu? |
| 16:32.30 | _jel | how would I go about protecting my system resources, like cpu load, from certain programs? I mean, can I limit processes to waiting until the cpu load drops below 3 or something, before they get cpu time? Or similar, for memory? Can ulimit do this, or does it just kill what goes over the limit? UML seems like it could do it,but I think that would be overkill? |
| 16:32.40 | WoodyWoodpecker | I just did this a couple of hours ago |
| 16:32.48 | goccia | WoodyWoodpecker: for a very long key i would encrypt a data partition and su by usb pen using libpam usb |
| 16:32.51 | Under^Uni | hi..i want to install linux..but i was wondering which 1 is beter...rhel or debian or ubuntu? |
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| 16:32.52 | WoodyWoodpecker | ^^ In my brain |
| 16:33.02 | Ronin | Under^Uni: well seeing as this #debian what do you think |
| 16:33.06 | _jel | Under^Uni: there's no such thing as better, but I'd recommend debian or ubuntu |
| 16:33.09 | Anthro | Under^Uni: Debian. Duh. Have you checked the channel you're in? |
| 16:33.17 | valdyn | _jel: man nice, using load values for anything isnt a good idea |
| 16:33.25 | ism | how to add a eterm start in the .xsession file that executes irssi autimatically? |
| 16:33.34 | WoodyWoodpecker | goccia: Do you mean boot from usb ? |
| 16:33.39 | stew | Under^Uni: if you've never used linux before you'd probably be better off starting with ubuntu |
| 16:33.49 | _jel | valdyn: I know about priorities, but I think I need something a little more strict. |
| 16:33.53 | WoodyWoodpecker | Or do you mean just reading the key from usb ? |
| 16:34.28 | _jel | Or, is there a way to keep certain processes from being swapped out? |
| 16:34.47 | valdyn | _jel: why would you do that? |
| 16:35.18 | Under^Uni | ive heard that debian is very good..does it have many problems like rh9? |
| 16:35.29 | thingfish | not hardly |
| 16:35.33 | valdyn | Under^Uni: every complex system has problems |
| 16:35.33 | _jel | valdyn: so I can have an emergency shell always easily accessible, even if the memory use and cpu load suddenly climbs. |
| 16:35.35 | goccia | WoodyWoodpecker: exacltly , just the key |
| 16:36.01 | thingfish | I used to use rh9 - it was OK, but debian is the gold standard for stability and reliability. |
| 16:36.04 | Under^Uni | <valdyn>rh9 had loads of problem..u had to spend hours fixing it |
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| 16:36.18 | goccia | WoodyWoodpecker: you said company at the start so this key should be a company key and so on |
| 16:36.20 | Ronin | Under^Uni: so can debian if you dont know what your doing and screw something up |
| 16:36.28 | WoodyWoodpecker | Hm |
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| 16:36.52 | valdyn | Under^Uni: as does any os for some users, you need to be specific, complex systems just tend to show this |
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| 16:37.01 | WoodyWoodpecker | So I boot from hd but use the key on the usb ? |
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| 16:37.17 | licued | I had sex with WoodyWoodpecker |
| 16:37.27 | skiflyer | Is there any easy way to test my mail server to see if it's supporting the encryption exim4 is trying to use when using it as a smarthost? |
| 16:37.27 | Under^Uni | hmm..u confused my!! |
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| 16:37.39 | skiflyer | cause things are just not going through, and I'm rather confused |
| 16:38.55 | _jel | skiflyer: probably easiest to read the protocol, and emulate it with telnet |
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| 16:39.19 | skiflyer | _jel: and how would I go about that? |
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| 16:39.30 | Under^Uni | ok..like there are some program which say that they run on rh9..wil they run on debian? |
| 16:39.51 | valdyn | Under^Uni: in other words: its not possible to produce something complex that works perfectly for everyone. You need to ask specific questions though to get specific answers. |
| 16:39.53 | _jel | telnet your.mail.server 25, followed by the commands to begin encryption |
| 16:39.56 | valdyn | Under^Uni: that last question wasnt specific |
| 16:39.58 | Ronin | Under^Uni: id be very surprised if it didn't |
| 16:40.11 | Ronin | but without knowing what the app is its tough to answer |
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| 16:40.25 | skiflyer | _jel: But I have no idea what the commands are to begin encryption |
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| 16:41.43 | Under^Uni | like dawin streem server..on the site they say its for linux rh9..so would it work on debian? |
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| 16:41.45 | _jel | skiflyer: well, if you can find out what the encryption is called, you can search for the protocol online. For example, you could google for "rfc tls smtp" |
| 16:41.47 | mjk64 | What does state "A" mean in aptitude? It's not in the help. |
| 16:41.50 | Router_hh | hello, i have a problem with cups.. cupsd: Child exited with status 98!? ... - anyone can help me - Thanks |
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| 16:42.07 | valdyn | Router_hh: what does /var/log/cups/error_log say ? |
| 16:42.19 | skiflyer | _jel: I have full access to the server, there's not a better way to look and see if it's supporting the encryption? |
| 16:42.20 | _jel | mjk64: it doesn't; it's the "word" 'a' |
| 16:42.27 | Fox_1_ | how rebuild installed package with some parameter? |
| 16:42.37 | _jel | skiflyer: have you read the exim logs? |
| 16:42.39 | mjk64 | _jel: Hm? Err ... ah. A...and what does that mean? |
| 16:42.43 | stew | Fox_1_: /msg dpkg source ; /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 16:42.45 | stew | Fox_1_: what package? |
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| 16:42.48 | skiflyer | on the local or the smarthost? |
| 16:42.54 | _jel | mjk64: "a package tool" |
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| 16:42.57 | mjk64 | _jel: The line reads "i A ruby1.8 ..." |
| 16:42.58 | valdyn | Fox_1_: apt-get source <packagename> , edit the source tree, run dpkg-buildpackage inside the source tree |
| 16:43.07 | _jel | mjk64: ahh :D |
| 16:43.09 | Router_hh | valdyn: unable to bind socket for adress 00000000:631 the address is been used |
| 16:43.14 | mjk64 | _jel: Doh! Misunderstanding! :-) |
| 16:43.27 | mjk64 | I'll put it differently ... |
| 16:43.39 | valdyn | Router_hh: which command did you run that triggered this and why? |
| 16:43.41 | tremor | hm, /msg dpkg doesnt't works atm? |
| 16:43.42 | _jel | mjk64: it's OK, I get it now :) |
| 16:43.49 | Fox_1_ | stew for example squid with parameter --enable-ssl option |
| 16:43.51 | mjk64 | _jel: k =) |
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| 16:43.56 | hackeron_ | is there anything like aide or tripwire that just log modification instead of checking integrity and also list process? -- I want just an info level log of date filemonitor: file1 deleted by user1 (process1) |
| 16:43.59 | stew | Fox_1_: which package? |
| 16:44.00 | mjk64 | _jel: And do you happen to know that? |
| 16:44.05 | _jel | mjk64: try pressing h -- I think it's h -- for help. It explains in there, if I recall correctly. |
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| 16:44.18 | seenasa | "/msg dpkg guidelines" |
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| 16:44.29 | albi_ | hola |
| 16:44.29 | mjk64 | _jel: At least '?' does /not/ explain it. I'll try 'h' |
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| 16:44.48 | tremor | seenasa: also doesn't work ;) |
| 16:45.02 | _jel | mjk64: if not, it may be in the manpage or the docs. I definitely saw it somewhere :D |
| 16:45.16 | mjk64 | _jel: okay, I'm searching the User's Manual now |
| 16:45.32 | seenasa | i am new to this place..and i am using a console irc cline..so comfused. |
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| 16:46.26 | Router_hh | valdyn: i'am triying to configure a usb canon printer i560 and the comand is -> cupsd |
| 16:46.36 | goccia | hackeron_: i use tripwire and samhain , samhain is faster and does it |
| 16:47.05 | Fox_1_ | in bitchx how change the line color which contain my nick? |
| 16:47.05 | seenasa | q |
| 16:47.05 | valdyn | Router_hh: ok, dont ever run that command directly, the cups server is (re)started with /etc/init.d/cupsys restart|start|stop (etc..) |
| 16:47.09 | InitMass | is it possible to play .ram files with another player than real player?? |
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| 16:47.21 | valdyn | Router_hh: setting up cups is done via http://localhost:631/ |
| 16:47.22 | _jel | any more featureful alternatives to sysfence? |
| 16:47.52 | albi_ | holaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaç |
| 16:48.02 | _jel | InitMass: Yes, just configure your other media players so they know where realplayer's files are. |
| 16:48.18 | valdyn | Router_hh: your error merely meant that cupsd cannot be run twice on the same port ( 631 ) |
| 16:48.29 | InitMass | _jel, i meant streaming .ram files |
| 16:48.40 | _jel | InitMass: makes no difference. |
| 16:49.16 | mjk64 | _jel: Although not explained well in the user's manual, aptitude's state letter "A" seems to mean: Automatically selected (this state can be set with [M] and [m]). |
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| 16:49.25 | PrOvA | Olá tem algeum do Brasil? |
| 16:49.29 | _jel | mjk64: ahhh :) |
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| 16:50.12 | InitMass | _jel, "mplayer http://sr.se/p3/diverse/AppData/dans/sounds/DANSA.ram" doesn't seem to work :( |
| 16:50.18 | thingfish | PrOvA: estao no #debian-br |
| 16:50.24 | Router_hh | thanks valdyn - i'am sorry for the cuestion but i'am new in this |
| 16:50.26 | hackeron_ | goccia: hmm, so it shows process also? |
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| 16:51.07 | _jel | InitMass: I think it probably will if you configure it. Xine definitely will. |
| 16:51.08 | valdyn | Router_hh: welcome |
| 16:51.23 | hackeron_ | goccia: i.e. '/bin/bash modified by root (dpkg)' ? |
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| 16:51.48 | _jel | InitMass: heh, inasmuchas anything is definite ;) |
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| 16:52.01 | goccia | hackeron_: yes it does that : hardlinks_old=<1>, idevice_old=<0>, inode_old=<62417>, owner_old=<root>, iowner_old=<135958712> |
| 16:52.02 | skiflyer | _jel: Ok, so I looked at the exim logs on the smarthost, I'm seeing nothing about my IP address in the mainlog or the rejectlog |
| 16:52.02 | Luftzig | remember me? I've got my X running again, but didn't quiet solve the problem |
| 16:52.28 | jason__ | how do I make it so I start linux without the grphical boot? and can I make a boot option for that in grub? |
| 16:52.39 | goccia | and so on , you need nearly no set up courtesy of magic debian :) |
| 16:52.47 | hackeron_ | goccia: where is the process name? |
| 16:53.01 | skiflyer | _jel: And locally I only have mainlogs and I'm seeing |
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| 16:53.06 | _jel | skiflyer: are you getting any feedback from the client? Is it actually connecting? |
| 16:53.26 | Luftzig | goccia, was it reffered to me? :) |
| 16:53.28 | skiflyer | == to@address.net R=smarthost T=remote_smtp_smarthost defer (-53): retry time not reached for any host |
| 16:53.28 | InitMass | _jel, xine says that it's an unsupported codec |
| 16:53.42 | _jel | InitMass: have you configured it yet? |
| 16:53.43 | jason__ | is it something to do with the renlevels? |
| 16:54.01 | InitMass | _jel, i don't think i really know how to configure it |
| 16:54.13 | jason__ | can I choise my run level from the grub menu? |
| 16:54.14 | skiflyer | if I run the client verbose I get back that same line obviouslly, then much later, a failed connection, timeout |
| 16:54.35 | _jel | InitMass: run xine-ui, it has a graphical preferences thing, where you can just type in the path to the realplayer codecs |
| 16:54.50 | _jel | InitMass: but this will all be in xine's docs. |
| 16:55.15 | jason__ | anyone anyone? |
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| 16:55.31 | jason__ | !runlevel |
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| 16:55.40 | Luftzig | apperently, my mouse was to blame. if found the right device, which is ttyS0, but can't make it work yet. The X is running though... |
| 16:55.44 | goccia | hackeron_: can't find a process line |
| 16:55.47 | takatumi | jason__: /msg apt nodm |
| 16:55.57 | _jel | skiflyer: that means that it failed to send the first time, and it's still waiting before it makes another attempt. Tell it to send queued mail immediately. man mailq will help; I forget :) |
| 16:55.58 | InitMass | _jel, ok i'll try that |
| 16:56.11 | jason__ | but I want the option to switch back and forth |
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| 16:56.40 | Luftzig | so, anyone ever heard a korenian elctronic manufacture named Panwest? |
| 16:56.42 | InitMass | _jel, i managed to get it working in mplayer with "mplayer -playlist file.ram" but the sound is sparkling |
| 16:56.47 | goccia | Luftzig: what have i done ? :) |
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| 16:57.42 | Luftzig | goccia, you've wrote something about magical debian, or something. thought you were talkin' to my on-a-strike mouse |
| 16:57.45 | hackeron_ | goccia: well, then its not what I'm looking for, dont care about inode numbers or owner details, just want the modifier's username (i.e. they could've run chmod or something) and the process name (i.e. chmod) |
| 16:57.51 | jason__ | someone has my registered nick how do I get it back? |
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| 16:58.07 | hackeron_ | goccia: chown even |
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| 16:58.32 | takatumi | jason__: /msg nickserv ghost nick pass |
| 16:58.34 | hackeron_ | goccia: I dont want checksum either, its too slow |
| 16:58.39 | jason__ | thanks |
| 16:58.46 | theine | Does anybody know what I need to build Debian packages for the ATI proprietary Linux driver using the official installer? When I try it, it errors out without any helpful information. |
| 16:58.56 | _jel | InitMass: "Sparkling"? |
| 16:59.05 | stew | theine: for xfree86 or xorg? (for sarge or etch?) |
| 16:59.11 | jason__ | thanks |
| 16:59.12 | theine | stew: sarge |
| 16:59.14 | stew | !ati |
| 16:59.19 | InitMass | _jel, i meant crunching |
| 16:59.20 | theine | !ati |
| 16:59.25 | stew | still no dpkg, huh? |
| 16:59.28 | theine | ? |
| 16:59.38 | _jel | thein: presumably build-essential, plus the headers for your current kernel |
| 16:59.39 | stew | theine: Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseAti |
| 16:59.42 | skiflyer | _jel: Are you referring to mailq -q, which goes through and attempts to send everything? |
| 16:59.45 | shad0wcat | stew so write one |
| 16:59.46 | InitMass | _jel, like small clicks |
| 16:59.54 | shad0wcat | you do know you can edit the defs right? |
| 17:00.02 | _jel | skiflyer: sounds right :) |
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| 17:00.21 | theine | stew: thanks |
| 17:00.24 | stew | shad0wcat: dpkg? http://vireo.org/~stew/dpkg |
| 17:00.25 | skiflyer | _jel: Incompatible command-line options or arguments |
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| 17:00.47 | goccia | hackeron_: samhain is fast really fast and email any changes , i use ftimes too as a baseliner but i am impressed by the way debian set up samhain , tripwire is a pain in the ass ... |
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| 17:01.04 | _jel | InitMass: that could be a number of things... audio buffer issues, cpu load, poor sound card drivers, slow streaming from the network... read up in the linux audio howtos and faqs |
| 17:01.08 | skiflyer | _jel: Ok, ot it... it just filled the log with a bunch of those defers for all my tests which didn't go through |
| 17:01.14 | goccia | Luftzig: what is a on-a-strike mouse ? |
| 17:01.18 | encompass | stew how do I make it so that my computer boots without gdm just console from the grub boot? |
| 17:01.27 | skiflyer | _jel: So I guess they're all still queued for when I finally get it to go right |
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| 17:01.57 | yxa | guys i'm reading articles than state raid 5 is as fast if not faster than raid 0 and raid 1. are they on crack? |
| 17:02.00 | _jel | skiflyer: what does mailq say now? |
| 17:02.02 | hackeron_ | goccia: well, again, I'm not trying to verify the integrity of files, or when they are changed, just by WHO and WHAT they are changed, so the elegance of implementation of something I dont need isnt helpful. |
| 17:02.09 | InitMass | _jel, i don't have those problems when listening with real player. i think the codec is bad |
| 17:02.24 | encompass | yxa I don't see how that is possible |
| 17:02.27 | goccia | hackeron_: i'm checkin samhain site casue i think you got a good point |
| 17:02.34 | skiflyer | _jel: Has a list of all the mails from the last few hours that didn't go through |
| 17:02.36 | Luftzig | goccia, on-a-strike mouse is a mouse which is present, lights in annoying red, but refuses to work. Demands better wages, and stuff. |
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| 17:02.54 | jsp | good evening |
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| 17:02.58 | encompass | Luftzig haha |
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| 17:03.19 | yxa | encompass what's your experience? |
| 17:03.23 | _jel | InitMass: well, if it's using the realplayer codec, but not playing it as well as realplayer, then it's an issue with the other media player's ability to pretend to be realplayer, and use its codecs. Try another media player, perhaps? |
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| 17:03.57 | _jel | InitMass: but, you should know that even when I got it to play well, it eventually started playing too quickly, after 15 mins or so. |
| 17:04.03 | encompass | I run a terabite sata server |
| 17:04.34 | encompass | striping is faster but much less stable |
| 17:04.44 | InitMass | _jel, ok. where can i download the real player codec? i'll try to use xine instead of mplayer |
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| 17:05.07 | yxa | encompass lets just compare raid 1 and 5 |
| 17:05.08 | jsp | I have a question about about hte hald |
| 17:05.19 | hackeron_ | goccia: the problem with what I want is it requires a combination of lsof, famd and ps to map modification to process to user as opposed to just list stuff. |
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| 17:05.49 | skiflyer | _jel: I dunno, I'm at a loss... and it's been two hours, I have to go for awhile, I'll come back with a fresh look in a few hours |
| 17:05.54 | skiflyer | _jel: Thanks for your help |
| 17:06.05 | kpanic | hi, how do I set sensible-browser to be firefox? I mean BROWSER var is "/usr/bin/firefox" and apt-listbugs' "w" option doesn't work, thx :) |
| 17:06.22 | _jel | InitMass: the codecs are in the realplayer you installed. That's what you were putting in as a path. But you could try the w32codecs package, from apt-get.org |
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| 17:06.47 | hackeron_ | goccia: and that still wont yield accurate results. I guess it requires hijacking kernel calls like unlink or something. Maybe selinux does this? |
| 17:06.55 | yxa | anyone here thinks raid 5 is faster than raid 1? |
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| 17:07.10 | okdebian | stew |
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| 17:08.01 | hacabrera071 | Morning guys... |
| 17:08.17 | Luftzig | so, what cheap optical mouse will work with no seggnificent problems? |
| 17:08.37 | hacabrera071 | Hey buddies... Do you know if Debian Sarge supports Multi-IP Address in one single FastEthernet Card? |
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| 17:08.42 | _jel | skiflyer: I think it's the -M option you want :) |
| 17:08.58 | Luftzig | gee, I mispelled it as wrong as it gets... |
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| 17:09.25 | Luftzig | kvidell, how cheap and in which country? |
| 17:09.25 | jsp | anybody could help me with my hal problem? |
| 17:09.56 | hacabrera071 | I'm trying to setup a Monitoring system using Nagios, I have several subnets, and I want to know if I need to install several NICs on the monitoring Server, or, if it will suit well with one single NIC |
| 17:10.03 | fevel | abrotman, whats that keybinder name you gave me (hotkeys...x__) |
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| 17:10.42 | goccia | hackeron_: selinx and brothers are a big pain : i stay with stock debian to enjoy my life :) |
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| 17:11.09 | kvidell | Luftzig: nevermind :-\ It appears to have been discontinued again. |
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| 17:11.38 | seemawn | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.49 | seemawn | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.56 | seemawn | what shuld he say? |
| 17:12.08 | hkais | hello |
| 17:12.09 | goccia | hackeron_: and talking about ids samhain is the easyest to set up in a debian magical way |
| 17:12.16 | seemawn | hi |
| 17:12.19 | hackeron_ | goccia: yes, me too, but that file changing thing can be rather nifty. For instance, some dev runs make install outside the chroot (aaargh!), would be nice to see /usr/asd added by dev1 (make) - why cant Linux do system profiling like Solaris :'( |
| 17:12.36 | hacabrera071 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:12.45 | nakeee | how do I add a global thunderbird extention in debian etch? |
| 17:12.46 | jsp | anybody who can tell me were to ask about a prblem with the hal? |
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| 17:12.54 | goccia | hackeron_: talking devices ? so look for md5deep |
| 17:12.55 | MrCiircle | hi all |
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| 17:13.21 | Luftzig | kvidell, well, too bad. if think I'll wait 'till midnight and then swap mice with my family's computer. they'll never notice |
| 17:13.41 | hackeron_ | goccia: no, dev1 == somedeveloper |
| 17:13.45 | goccia | hackeron_: but your point on who the fuck delete a file is a good point |
| 17:14.12 | yang26_ | Is it possible to get a wider range of IPs from RIPE delegated over my cable modem, I dont really know much about it |
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| 17:14.27 | hackeron_ | goccia: well, I guess check when it disappeared and check who was logged in at the time, but you still cant see if it was a specific application that was scheduled |
| 17:14.34 | goccia | hackeron_: i hear hacking kernels for usb addicted kids and again YOUR point is a good point :) |
| 17:14.35 | MrCiircle | I've been having some nfs blues - not a true debian system but debian based, functions as an nfs server fine but when trying to work as client I get "no route to host" while trying to mount. Can anyone mentor me please. |
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| 17:14.43 | InitMass | _jel, thank you for your time |
| 17:15.27 | grendal_prime | what would cause x to funtion for a period of time ant then just...crash? compleatly locking up the entire machine by the way |
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| 17:16.29 | thingfish | grendal_prime: could be software, could be hardware... |
| 17:16.48 | jsp | nobody for my hal prob? |
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| 17:17.22 | thingfish | !tell jsp about ask |
| 17:17.50 | hackeron_ | goccia: I looked into something like this before on LFS. Totally broke glibc trying to get something like this going :) -- I guess an easy way is to write a wrapper for rm or something, but you still have a million and 2 days to delete the file :'( |
| 17:18.04 | jsp | yes, tell me, please |
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| 17:18.50 | thingfish | sorry, jsp, dpkg seems to be on coffee break. You need to ask specific questions, giving as much detail about your problem as possible, if you hope to get any answers. |
| 17:19.07 | k4jcw | I am having a major senior moment. What is the name and path of the configuration file that controls process limits? |
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| 17:19.22 | jsp | my hald does not resond for about 2 minutes when i want to reboot teh system... |
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| 17:19.40 | grendal_prime | thanks thingfish that narrows it down...i was thinking ..sun...moon...stars one of thouse..but now its ritght here in the living room!!! |
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| 17:20.25 | jsp | so, rebooting (shutting down) takes a very long time... |
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| 17:20.52 | war823 | Anyone here running Etch and having problems doing apt-get install kde? |
| 17:20.53 | thingfish | grendal_prime: did it start with any particular round of updates? Can you ping the machine from another system when it locks? Have you run memtest86+? |
| 17:21.13 | war823 | xfce4/etc install fine |
| 17:21.14 | P4C0 | hello, I just wrote a package, that need a post installation interactive script, where should I write this script? |
| 17:21.16 | war823 | KDE having major issues |
| 17:21.18 | grendal_prime | well it i think started with ....the upgrade to xorg |
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| 17:21.29 | shadobxr | lo all |
| 17:21.33 | hytt | war823> etch works fine for me |
| 17:21.37 | grendal_prime | not positive on that though cause i believe this machine has been running xorg for some time now |
| 17:21.38 | stew | war823: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 17:21.54 | war823 | sec |
| 17:21.54 | grendal_prime | it has something to do with apps that requre 3d excerlation |
| 17:22.00 | grendal_prime | like tux cart |
| 17:22.01 | shadobxr | wondering if anyone else has been having problems with etch and kde |
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| 17:22.03 | war823 | shadobxr also has the same error, he will show you |
| 17:22.14 | grendal_prime | however penguin racer doesnt trip it up |
| 17:22.26 | shadobxr | The following packages have unmet dependencies: kde: Depends: kdegraphics but it is not going to be installed Depends: kdewebdev but it is not installable |
| 17:22.59 | grendal_prime | lore does though.. |
| 17:23.02 | shadobxr | anyone know how to fix this problem? |
| 17:23.08 | stew | shadobxr: what does "apt-cache policy kdegraphics" say for Installed: and Candidate:? |
| 17:23.15 | grendal_prime | it has an ATI rage 128 in it.. |
| 17:23.30 | thingfish | grendal_prime: so say if you stayed out of X, the box would run forever just fine. |
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| 17:23.47 | shadobxr | kdegraphics: Installed: (none) Candidate: 4:3.3.2-2 Version table: 4:3.3.2-2 0 500 http://mirrors.rcn.net testing/main ackages 500 ftp://ftp.debian.org testing/main Packages |
| 17:24.00 | grendal_prime | which has never been a problem in the past ..the thing is i cant find any sort of logfile that keeps track of why the app crashes |
| 17:24.17 | grendal_prime | thingfish, i know where your going with that..but its the kids machine...its specificly for games and whatnot |
| 17:24.24 | stew | shadobxr: apt-get install kdegraphics should work, however it doesn't look like kdewebdev is in testing yet |
| 17:24.28 | grendal_prime | educational apps |
| 17:24.32 | thingfish | yeah I sympathize, that can be irritating - I know. |
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| 17:24.35 | war823 | stew, on one of my boxes it is |
| 17:24.46 | war823 | hmm |
| 17:24.52 | grendal_prime | voip stuff and video conferencing when im at work |
| 17:24.53 | thingfish | jsp: which kernel? |
| 17:25.01 | stew | war823: kdewebdev installable? then you have unstable or non-debian in your sources.list |
| 17:25.18 | war823 | nope, ia m using 'testing main' |
| 17:25.21 | stew | @why is kdewebdev not in testing |
| 17:25.21 | ravenbird | stew: I think you lost me on that one |
| 17:25.21 | war823 | i am using testing main |
| 17:25.23 | jsp | 2.6.12-1-386 |
| 17:25.27 | shadobxr | no dice with apt-get install kdegraphics |
| 17:25.37 | thingfish | grendal_prime: oh no, I was not at all going to suggest staying out of X. My intent was to suggest that the problem is not hardware related, most likely. |
| 17:25.37 | war823 | -> deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main |
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| 17:25.37 | jsp | 2.6.12-1-386 |
| 17:25.42 | jsp | god damn... |
| 17:25.46 | shadobxr | same issue with kdewebdev |
| 17:25.59 | stew | @CMD: why is (.*?) not in testing is ($1): $1 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=$1 |
| 17:26.02 | grendal_prime | thats my thinking too thingfish |
| 17:26.04 | jsp | "2.6.12-1-386" |
| 17:26.11 | Fox_1_ | where is the mysql includes and libraryes??? |
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| 17:26.14 | grendal_prime | especially since it seems to be something just comming up |
| 17:26.15 | stew | ravenbird: CMD: why is (.*?) not in testing is ($1): $1 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=$1 |
| 17:26.15 | thingfish | jsp: have you checked bts? |
| 17:26.15 | ravenbird | okay, stew |
| 17:26.20 | stew | @why is kdewebdev not in testing |
| 17:26.27 | stew | grr |
| 17:26.27 | mentor | MrCiircle: Well, can you ping the server form the client? |
| 17:26.28 | jsp | what is bts? |
| 17:26.35 | stew | !bts |
| 17:26.36 | grendal_prime | however how about composit...maybe that is causing a problem...i think i disable that...but render as well maybe? |
| 17:26.37 | stew | @bts |
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| 17:26.45 | hytt | war823> i didnt installed kdewebdev , and kde works fine :/ |
| 17:26.46 | stew | did i kill ravenbird? |
| 17:26.58 | jsp | thingfish: waht is bts? |
| 17:26.58 | ravenbird | I think you lost me on that one, stew |
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| 17:27.09 | grendal_prime | or damage? all of these were not normally enabled extenrtions |
| 17:27.18 | MrCiircle | mentor: I just asked in another channel and someone is helping - but thankyou. |
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| 17:27.29 | thingfish | !bts jsp |
| 17:27.29 | jsp | thingfish: The prob is i got no loggin when nearly everything is shut down |
| 17:27.31 | valdyn | grendal_prime: are you actually using composite? |
| 17:27.33 | war823 | hytt, how come it doenst show up for Shadowboxr- any ideas how to fix? |
| 17:27.42 | thingfish | @bts |
| 17:27.57 | grendal_prime | its enabled by default as one of the extentions in xorg instalations |
| 17:28.15 | abrotman | fevel: did you find it ? |
| 17:28.19 | war823 | would rm -rf /var/cache/apt/* help? |
| 17:28.21 | war823 | and apt-get update |
| 17:28.29 | thingfish | ~bts |
| 17:28.31 | apt | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug |
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| 17:28.49 | startxwhite2 | hi i have a 2.5 gig hd and 3 partitions /dev/hda1 1307Mb /dev/hda2 707Mb and /dev/hda3 542Mb. How can i merge hda1 and hda2 to form one single partition /dev/hda1 and the recreate hda3 as hda2 which will be swap?? |
| 17:28.52 | abrotman | war823: apt-get clean |
| 17:29.14 | eeyore- | startxwhite2: backup/reformat/restore, or, unionfs |
| 17:29.19 | abrotman | startxwhite2: you have to do a backup and redo it unless you've used lvm(maybe it would work) |
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| 17:29.30 | abrotman | eeyore-: AZ! |
| 17:29.47 | ism | can I copy all output from a cmd in eterm into my "clipboard" and paste it somewhere else? how is that done? |
| 17:30.01 | eeyore- | abrotman: i'll probably have to sit this one out |
| 17:30.03 | abrotman | ism: highlight it .. then middle click somewhere |
| 17:30.04 | fbi | how would i go about checking to see exactly what alsa soundcard drivers are compiled into a specific 2.6 debian kernel |
| 17:30.09 | fbi | before installing it of course |
| 17:30.18 | fbi | is that even possible? |
| 17:30.20 | jsp | thingfish: i have been searhc via google for about 2 hours without fining nearly somthing that would fit |
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| 17:30.23 | zinx | fbi: not really. |
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| 17:30.25 | abrotman | fbi: get the alsa version .. check alsa-project.org ? |
| 17:30.27 | fbi | dammit! |
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| 17:30.34 | jsp | but did not check bts |
| 17:30.35 | fbi | abrotman: doh! i didn't think of that |
| 17:30.36 | valdyn | fbi: tried 'strings vmlinuz' ? |
| 17:30.36 | grendal_prime | gettin gon the other machine thingfish |
| 17:30.38 | de_mon | are there any manuals that say RTFM? |
| 17:30.38 | grendal_prime | brb |
| 17:30.38 | ism | abrotman: well, it's an output of several pages and my console doesn't scroll all the way down to completly highlight it. |
| 17:30.44 | abrotman | fbi: that's why i'm the smart one here :) |
| 17:30.52 | abrotman | ism: where are you trying to paste it ? |
| 17:30.55 | de_mon | you know, if you don't know what to do man newbie or something |
| 17:30.55 | zinx | fbi: if you're using stock debian kernels, or built a stock debian package, you can extract the /boot/config-* file |
| 17:30.55 | fbi | valdyn: no i didn't think of that either |
| 17:30.59 | valdyn | fbi: after unpacking even |
| 17:31.12 | ism | abrotman: I'd like to paste the whole output in a forum. |
| 17:31.12 | abrotman | fbi: or check the config |
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| 17:31.29 | valdyn | fbi: /proc/config.gz |
| 17:31.30 | abrotman | ism: if you have a GUI editor .. you can highlight it all and paste it |
| 17:31.37 | abrotman | valdyn: /boot/! |
| 17:31.39 | valdyn | fbi: oh, before installing. nm |
| 17:31.45 | jajese | hola |
| 17:31.49 | bboett | hello! someone there that knows how to burn a CD from an isoimage? with cdrecord i can't setup the devices and with nautilus i can't feed an isoimage... |
| 17:31.53 | abrotman | he could get the package .. extract it .. blah blah |
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| 17:32.03 | abrotman | fbi: though .. i think somewhere they store the kernel configs on the ftp sites |
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| 17:32.35 | fbi | word, that's what i was hoping for. didn't want to have to install it yet |
| 17:33.01 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 17:33.17 | abrotman | badgers!!!! |
| 17:33.38 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: around? |
| 17:33.38 | ism | abrotman: I can't even copy it, because my console (eterm) won't scroll down all the way when trying to highlight it |
| 17:33.48 | abrotman | ism: use a real editor :) |
| 17:33.55 | shadobxr | war was just able to duplicate the problem by removing kdewebdev |
| 17:33.58 | bboett | problem is, my server crashed down, and i need a netinstall CD... and last working is a laptop where i never used the CD-burner :( |
| 17:34.11 | afrosheen | where should I start digging around for someone to port a visual basic/web objects/sql project to linux |
| 17:34.19 | abrotman | ism: pipe the output to a txt file .. open the text file in gedit or something that you have installed .. copy/paste |
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| 17:34.36 | abrotman | afrosheen: do you have any idea how you'd like to recode it ? |
| 17:34.47 | sep | bboett, have you read /usr/share/doc/cdrecord/README.ATAPI.setup |
| 17:35.14 | bboett | hmmm ATAPI = IDE? |
| 17:35.18 | abrotman | yes |
| 17:35.20 | goccia | hackeron_: this is not what you need , get you closer : http://www.speakeasy.org/~aguyot/procwatch |
| 17:35.25 | de_mon | why does chanserv like everone but me??? :( |
| 17:35.32 | abrotman | chanserv doesn't like me |
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| 17:35.41 | abrotman | i'm still not sure what that means |
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| 17:36.57 | startxwhite2 | abrotman: How can i merge hda1 and hda2 to form one single partition /dev/hda1 and then recreate hda3 as hda2 which will be swap? without destroying data on hda1. gotta say hda2 and hda3 are expendable |
| 17:36.59 | afrosheen | abrotman: it doesn't matter, but it has to do sql gets/puts, build and display graphs, etc. |
| 17:37.01 | mentor | bboett: Roughly yes |
| 17:37.25 | stew | mentor: can we ditch the ChanServ bit from /topic? |
| 17:37.40 | goccia | Luftzig: is see now what you mean : a bloody optical mouse made on slave labour :) |
| 17:37.41 | stew | nobody even knows what it means |
| 17:37.41 | mtnman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:37.57 | goccia | s/is/i/ |
| 17:38.02 | abrotman | startxwhite2: you were given two answers |
| 17:38.03 | ism | abrotman: how am I supposed to use a real editor if I try to copy a 'make' output? How to use pipes then`? |
| 17:38.11 | afrosheen | in soviet russia, you like chanserv |
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| 17:38.21 | yang | Is it possible to get a wider range of IPs from RIPE delegated over my cable modem, I dont really know much about it |
| 17:38.28 | abrotman | ism: redirect the output using > and some variations of & etc |
| 17:38.31 | startxwhite2 | abrotman: which as a newbie did not understand |
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| 17:38.43 | bboett | hmmm can i stop cdrecord to try to open my HD?? scanbus absolutely wants to open hda and fails lastly without spitting out hte settings for hdb... :( |
| 17:38.46 | abrotman | startxwhite2: the simple way ... "backup,create new partitions, restore" |
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| 17:39.05 | startxwhite2 | but i would be destroying hda1 |
| 17:39.09 | abrotman | afrosheen: there are many web based languages .. PHP Perl Python Ruby JSP |
| 17:39.16 | startxwhite2 | which i do not want |
| 17:39.26 | abrotman | startxwhite2: yes .. and eeyore- mentioned unionfs .. which i know nothing about |
| 17:39.33 | valdyn | bboett: why dont you use cdrecord dev=/dev/hdb then ? |
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| 17:39.50 | startxwhite2 | abrotman: me neither and i'm the newbie |
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| 17:40.12 | goccia | unionfs ? knoppix stuff ... |
| 17:40.17 | bboett | valdyn, doesn't work ahhh but dev=ATA:0,1,0 seem to work! |
| 17:40.18 | abrotman | eeyore-: can you elaborate for startxwhite2 ? |
| 17:40.30 | afrosheen | abrotman: it's pretty math-intensive and has to generate graphs and whatnot..we'll go with whatever the dev is comfortable with |
| 17:40.36 | bboett | thanks sep! |
| 17:40.53 | startxwhite2 | btw i am running knoppix4 live cd on the box that needs merging |
| 17:41.07 | abrotman | afrosheen: then i'd ask the developer .. if he's more comfortable with PHP than Perl .. go that route .. |
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| 17:41.26 | neiljp | hi, I reported a bug a long time ago and there has been no (maint/devel) response to it, and the problem still seems to be present, is there a recommended way to follow it up? |
| 17:41.45 | hackeron_ | goccia: thats just top, lol |
| 17:41.51 | abrotman | neiljp: append the bug or contact the maintainer |
| 17:42.06 | afrosheen | abrotman: yeah, just looking for a dev |
| 17:42.08 | hackeron_ | goccia: or ps aux |
| 17:42.20 | hkais | anyone here who knows how to fix this in postfix? |
| 17:42.20 | hkais | NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from myIP: 554 <to-email>: Relay access denied; from=<my-email> to=<to-email> proto=ESMTP helo=<earthnt> |
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| 17:42.24 | abrotman | afrosheen: oh .. you haven't found one yet |
| 17:42.32 | afrosheen | abrotman: exactly |
| 17:42.34 | abrotman | hkais: #postfix |
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| 17:43.09 | abrotman | afrosheen: there are many ways .. a good database is PostgreSQL .. web objects is a servlet app ? |
| 17:43.13 | valdyn | neiljp: and that package isnt orphaned? |
| 17:43.25 | afrosheen | abrotman: yeah it's something that microsoft pushed and abandoned a year later |
| 17:43.39 | abrotman | afrosheen: yes .. but what is it? .. I'm not familiar with it |
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| 17:43.54 | dekster | salve a tutti |
| 17:44.03 | abrotman | !it |
| 17:44.16 | ism | abrotman: okay got it now! just highlighted it and pressed pagedwn |
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| 17:44.41 | abrotman | ism: ah .. ok |
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| 17:45.24 | neiljp | valdyn: er no, its the kernel |
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| 17:45.28 | eeyore- | abrotman: hmm? unionfs? |
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| 17:45.30 | goccia | hackeron_: did you run it ? |
| 17:45.38 | abrotman | eeyore-: nm .. he's gone |
| 17:45.40 | neiljp | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=277835 |
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| 17:45.56 | thingfish | dpkg seems to be out of sorts. |
| 17:46.05 | afrosheen | abrotman: I'm looking, I was just told about this yesterdzy |
| 17:46.07 | eeyore- | abrotman: i was gone too :-) changed the dvi pigtail to vga pigtail for somebody here ... they like to switch monitors :-) |
| 17:46.11 | abrotman | neiljp: do you have hotplug installed ? |
| 17:46.18 | abrotman | eeyore-: bastards! |
| 17:46.32 | abrotman | afrosheen: you don't know what web objects is? .. but you need to switch from it ? |
| 17:46.41 | afrosheen | abrotman: bah it's not web objects, it's something else |
| 17:46.50 | abrotman | activex ? |
| 17:46.55 | afrosheen | abrotman: a guy came to me yesterday with a porting job but the details were vague |
| 17:46.59 | abrotman | ah .. |
| 17:47.04 | eeyore- | abrotman: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7714 |
| 17:47.08 | valdyn | neiljp: that bug still exists in 2.6.12-mm2 |
| 17:47.09 | abrotman | afrosheen: can you describe how the app works ? |
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| 17:47.16 | neiljp | abrotman: yup |
| 17:47.21 | valdyn | neiljp: ( with my usb headphones ) |
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| 17:47.32 | afrosheen | abrotman: the server pulls data from reuters or somewhere, stock data, processes it, gives you daily info, graphs, etc. |
| 17:47.34 | neiljp | valdyn: er, good to know, I suppose ;| |
| 17:47.37 | eeyore- | maybe asp -> php? |
| 17:47.46 | abrotman | eeyore-: i did'nt need to know :) |
| 17:47.58 | eeyore- | abrotman: add it to dpkg/apt faq then |
| 17:48.00 | abrotman | eeyore-: have you ever tried asp2php ? |
| 17:48.03 | abrotman | eeyore-: he's dead |
| 17:48.03 | valdyn | neiljp: extremely rarely though |
| 17:48.07 | eeyore- | i don't remember the syntax for teaching dpkg |
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| 17:48.15 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 17:48.19 | afrosheen | abrotman: and at some point there are database calls made, all pages are dynamically generated I believe |
| 17:48.27 | neiljp | valdyn: I basically can't use my usb pen drive without rebooting on that machine |
| 17:48.32 | eeyore- | abrotman: nah, i stay away from asp these days |
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| 17:48.37 | abrotman | afrosheen: seems to me that any web based language should be able to handl;e that |
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| 17:48.56 | abrotman | afrosheen: you need to get more details for anyone to give a suggestion .. |
| 17:49.09 | eeyore- | afrosheen: sounds trivial. packages out there already do this sort of thig. rrdb/cacti, for instance |
| 17:49.11 | abrotman | otherwise .. i'd be another manager making a crappy guess :) |
| 17:49.24 | abrotman | eeyore-: he needs to pull data .. work with it .. generate pages |
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| 17:49.33 | abrotman | eeyore-: that's nto cacti :) |
| 17:49.36 | eeyore- | abrotman: which is exactly what cacti does |
| 17:49.47 | abrotman | i thouht cacti was snmp monitoring crapstuff |
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| 17:50.08 | neiljp | valdyn: going to post lsusb/lspci/dmesg output (2.6.[78]), see if that helps at all |
| 17:50.11 | eeyore- | abrotman: yes it is :-) it uses snmp and things to pull data (from routers, etc) and store them in rrdb, and make graphs, etc. |
| 17:50.12 | afrosheen | abrotman: cacti is the graphing portion it looks like |
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| 17:50.24 | afrosheen | routers != reuters |
| 17:50.27 | abrotman | eeyore-: reuters! |
| 17:50.29 | afrosheen | lol |
| 17:50.36 | abrotman | ~smack eeyore- |
| 17:50.37 | apt | ACTION smacks eeyore- upside the head. |
| 17:50.39 | eeyore- | abrotman: oh, i misread that :-) |
| 17:50.40 | valdyn | neiljp: well, the debian kernel maintainers cannot fix this |
| 17:50.50 | eeyore- | abrotman: naturally, my error-correction kicked in that time |
| 17:50.53 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 17:50.58 | valdyn | neiljp: and for 2.6.8-x they wont even bother doing anything at all.. |
| 17:51.06 | ism | abrotman: but how can I put a eterm (that executes irssi for instance) in a .xsession autostart? |
| 17:51.10 | eeyore- | nevermind |
| 17:51.14 | otroean | Hi. I'm using proftpd. But after a few days my ftp server has to be restarted because the user login stops when it tries to download folder info... |
| 17:51.16 | neiljp | valdyn: well that's rather sucky |
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| 17:51.19 | valdyn | neiljp: so, there's not much point in following this, try a newer kernel |
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| 17:51.33 | valdyn | neiljp: sarge cannot get fixes for such things |
| 17:51.44 | abrotman | ism: uhm .. i think if you man Eterm .. it will tell you how to spawn it with an app running |
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| 17:51.44 | neiljp | valdyn: sorry work machine, not going to risk it |
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| 17:51.59 | abrotman | turns up ? |
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| 17:52.01 | sha1sum | what's the package name for gtk2 ? |
| 17:52.09 | valdyn | neiljp: I see, fixing this too would be risk, that's why its not done ) |
| 17:52.36 | P4C0 | guys, one question, could someone point me a debian packages that uses debconf for asking questions post installation??? |
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| 17:52.50 | neiljp | valdyn: sure, but otoh a) its broken b) the fix might be applicable to the newer kernels if the problem is still present |
| 17:52.57 | abrotman | P4C0: are you making your own package ? |
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| 17:53.10 | valdyn | neiljp: .... which you would have to verify first. |
| 17:53.11 | abrotman | sha1sum: libgtk2.0 or something liek taht |
| 17:53.29 | lukeren | I've just installed Sarge on my pc using the network install cd and everythings working just fine, i then go to burn a cd, and it turns out that i can't access my dvd burner, it doesn't show up in dmesg and there's no /dev/hda ... anyone got any thoughts? =) |
| 17:53.32 | P4C0 | abrotman: yes, and I'm totally where to put the files and this http://www.fifi.org/doc/debconf-doc/tutorial.html dosen't help much |
| 17:53.42 | P4C0 | totally lost |
| 17:53.59 | neiljp | hmmm |
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| 17:54.02 | ism | abrotman: yea that's exactly what I want to do. Because I can't just put a irssi-text & in the .xsession file |
| 17:54.05 | abrotman | P4C0: ask #debian-mentors |
| 17:54.13 | P4C0 | thanks |
| 17:54.16 | P4C0 | abrotman: thanks |
| 17:54.18 | abrotman | ism: right .. read the Eterm man page |
| 17:54.28 | Under^Uni | how many cd is the lastest debian?14? |
| 17:54.36 | abrotman | Under^Uni: to install over broadband ? |
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| 17:55.30 | neiljp | valdyn: recommend a vaguely safe kernel post-sarge? that doesn't require huge quantities of upgrades? |
| 17:55.37 | valdyn | lukeren: is this a parallel ata dvd burner on a sata chipset? |
| 17:55.51 | abrotman | neiljp: the ones from etch should be ok |
| 17:55.52 | Under^Uni | <abrotman> yes |
| 17:56.00 | valdyn | neiljp: none does |
| 17:56.01 | abrotman | !d-i Under^Uni |
| 17:56.01 | lukeren | valdyn: it's a PATA drive on a i915 chipset |
| 17:56.10 | valdyn | neiljp: ( require any upgrades to anything else ) |
| 17:56.17 | Under^Uni | ?! |
| 17:56.32 | abrotman | Under^Uni: it's a 100MB image .. you start it .. it downloads the rest |
| 17:56.32 | valdyn | lukeren: i dont know that chipset, just know that PATA on sata chipsets is not supported |
| 17:56.34 | neiljp | valdyn: ok, might try if I get time, will still post this email as an update though |
| 17:56.40 | abrotman | Under^Uni: better than downloading 14CDs IMO |
| 17:56.41 | neiljp | valdyn, abrotman: cheers |
| 17:56.50 | lukeren | valdyn: well, what gets me is, how could i install it then? lol |
| 17:56.52 | sha1sum | I think dpkg is dead |
| 17:56.53 | sha1sum | :( |
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| 17:56.59 | abrotman | sha1sum: yes .. we know |
| 17:57.04 | sha1sum | heh |
| 17:57.08 | Under^Uni | <abrotman>sorry but im new...which file should i download? |
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| 17:57.15 | abrotman | Under^Uni: what CPU is the machine ? |
| 17:57.19 | sha1sum | abrotman: just letting you know because you're trying to trigger him :) |
| 17:57.29 | abrotman | sha1sum: oh .. shit .. thanks |
| 17:57.30 | valdyn | lukeren: ask someone who knows that chipset better than me, i'd just be able to suggest you to use a newer kernel, and that might be futile |
| 17:57.32 | abrotman | Under^Uni: moment |
| 17:57.54 | sha1sum | abrotman: do I detect a hint of sarcasm? :D |
| 17:58.01 | abrotman | hehe |
| 17:58.07 | abrotman | Under^Uni: what kind of CPU ? |
| 17:58.19 | Under^Uni | P4 m |
| 17:58.26 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 17:58.29 | abrotman | Under^Uni: ^^ |
| 17:58.41 | Under^Uni | Thx |
| 17:58.55 | jsp | thingfish: Thanx for the tip, seems to be a prob with my DVD/CD |
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| 17:59.32 | pack | if someone toasts their /dev/input/mice device, what's the proper mknod command to recreate it? |
| 17:59.35 | thingfish | jsp: bts can be a lot of help, glad you're making headway. |
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| 17:59.42 | tarzeau | hm |
| 17:59.45 | valdyn | pack: udev is installed? |
| 17:59.46 | zinx | pack: apt-get install udev |
| 18:00.57 | Anthro | pack: Try MAKEDEV first. |
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| 18:00.58 | Under^Uni | <abrotman> just to know whats the difference if i download the 14cd or downlaod this file? |
| 18:00.58 | abrotman | Under^Uni: less wasted bandwidth :) |
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| 18:00.59 | abrotman | Under^Uni: that image is 100MB or so .. after the install .. you decide what to intsall and it downloads just that .. nothing more |
| 18:00.59 | zinx | guh, wtf client is it that defaults to that nick completion |
| 18:00.59 | valdyn | Under^Uni: those 14 cds contain alot more software than you would ever use or install |
| 18:01.02 | abrotman | zinx: all ? |
| 18:01.07 | zinx | abrotman: <nick> foo?!?! |
| 18:01.13 | zinx | abrotman: that's insanity. |
| 18:01.25 | Om | Why are the dbus packages in stable/testing/unstable so old, and so far behind the one in experimental? |
| 18:01.54 | Om | And is there anywhere else I can get newer ones, or do I have to do it from the experimental one (or from scratch...) |
| 18:01.57 | ism | abrotman: alright thank you! A simple -e helps me out! BUT, how can I make tcpdump executable from a normal user, not root only? |
| 18:02.02 | abrotman | zinx: oh .. dunno . i've seen it too |
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| 18:02.30 | abrotman | ism: you cannot afaik .. it requires the NIC to go into promiscious mode .. which i'm pretty sure requires root |
| 18:02.41 | flixor | I was wondering is there a commandline tool for connection to msn |
| 18:02.43 | bboett | hmmm netboot-testing: initrd tools seem to be missing after base install... and hte install hangs at that point anything i cna do to fix this? |
| 18:02.43 | sussudio | !test |
| 18:02.49 | zinx | abrotman: someone should hit them over the head with a cluebat repeatedly, while "chanting <>'s are for quotes" |
| 18:02.51 | abrotman | flixor: apt-cache search msn |
| 18:02.53 | abrotman | sussudio: long gone |
| 18:02.57 | sussudio | :-\ |
| 18:02.58 | valdyn | bboett: use the sarge installer |
| 18:03.01 | zinx | erh, s/"chanting /chanting "/ |
| 18:03.02 | abrotman | zinx: i think it's a win32 client |
| 18:03.06 | zinx | abrotman: no doubt |
| 18:03.11 | bboett | well :D ok.... |
| 18:03.15 | flixor | yeah thanks abrotman i am just for day's on linux :) |
| 18:03.26 | abrotman | ~info amsn |
| 18:03.29 | ChEnChO | flixor: use amsn |
| 18:03.35 | ChEnChO | or gaim |
| 18:03.39 | abrotman | ChEnChO: CLI |
| 18:03.47 | ism | abrotman: hmm okay, but is there any workaround so that I can have a permanent Eterm console with tcpdump running, as not root? |
| 18:03.48 | flixor | but is it possible to use only a terminal wich amsn ChEnChO |
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| 18:04.05 | abrotman | ism: not that i'm aware of |
| 18:04.16 | Om | ~info tmsnc |
| 18:04.19 | sha1sum | hehe... I just realized saying "sha-one-sum" out loud sounds like an oriental dude's name |
| 18:04.25 | ChEnChO | flixor: ups |
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| 18:04.30 | badgers | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of sussudio) |
| 18:04.31 | abrotman | ism: you might want to read the tcpdump man page .. but i'm prettty sure you have to be root |
| 18:04.34 | sussudio | !test |
| 18:04.34 | badgers | Yes, sussudio, you're still online. |
| 18:04.35 | abrotman | !hi |
| 18:04.36 | badgers | hello, abrotman |
| 18:04.44 | sha1sum | funky |
| 18:04.47 | abrotman | yay .. badgers! |
| 18:04.54 | abrotman | !sussudiosmite sussudio |
| 18:05.01 | sussudio | !bear abrotman |
| 18:05.06 | abrotman | hehe |
| 18:05.10 | sussudio | hmm |
| 18:05.13 | ChEnChO | flixor: tmsnc - textbased (console) MSN client |
| 18:05.16 | ChEnChO | try this |
| 18:05.32 | abrotman | !aussiesmite sussudio |
| 18:05.35 | abrotman | weak bot |
| 18:05.46 | sha1sum | lol |
| 18:05.49 | sha1sum | !lol |
| 18:05.50 | badgers | i heard lol is Lamer on Line. Congratulations, you've confirmed yourself as one! |
| 18:05.53 | thingfish | I think there are bot-suppressing rays being projected into the channel today. |
| 18:05.55 | sha1sum | heh sweet |
| 18:05.58 | lukeren | Anyone who might have an idea as to why i'm unable to see my dvd burner in dmesg? I installed sarge from the same drive with no problems |
| 18:06.11 | Om | ChEnChO, check what apt's last chan msn was ;) |
| 18:06.28 | ism | anyone succesfully compiled FiSH with irssi in here? I could use some help with that. :) |
| 18:06.43 | jsp | good night! |
| 18:06.44 | gothtec | What's a "mnenmonic"? |
| 18:07.07 | thingfish | gothtec: something you use to help you remember something else. |
| 18:07.11 | sha1sum | Hey how come this channel doesn't use apt anymore? (the bot not the program) |
| 18:07.17 | ChEnChO | Om: ok, is my first time in the channel |
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| 18:07.23 | sussudio | ~fist sha1sum |
| 18:07.24 | apt | ACTION uses sha1sum as a handpuppet |
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| 18:07.30 | sha1sum | heh |
| 18:07.38 | sha1sum | okay, well maybe why not on a regular basis? |
| 18:08.11 | sha1sum | I believe he references more factoids, doesn't he? |
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| 18:08.48 | K_Dallas | Hi guys! I am going to install sarge from the DVD on a system without much internet access. I would like to know how to make it form the start to have jack support for the sound? which packages i should install? thanks |
| 18:09.00 | valdyn | lukeren: what does /proc/scsi/scsi list? |
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| 18:09.23 | ClawGirl | I have intalled on my laptop debian, but at the first boot the kernel crashed on the pcmcia detection. How can I overcome the pcmcia trouble, or not to have pcmcia at all? |
| 18:09.45 | lukeren | valdyn: my 4 harddrives |
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| 18:10.08 | valdyn | lukeren: and ls /proc/ide/ |
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| 18:10.58 | lukeren | valdyn: there's a 'drivers' directory |
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| 18:11.23 | valdyn | lukeren: ok, - cdrom not there. lsmod | grep ide |
| 18:12.01 | lukeren | valdyn: 4 entries, just post it here ? |
| 18:12.04 | valdyn | lukeren: 'uname -r' too please |
| 18:12.20 | valdyn | lukeren: just list the loaded modules |
| 18:12.27 | thingfish | K_Dallas: you won't have audio until after the install is finished. If you want the 2.6 kernel, do linux26 at the first prompt, then when you are done, check for alsa-base. |
| 18:12.33 | valdyn | lukeren: not the deps ( right side ) |
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| 18:12.37 | neiljp | valdyn: do you know of any other bugs filed for the sort of problem you've seen? |
| 18:12.45 | lukeren | valdyn: ide_disk, ide_cd, ide_core, cdrom |
| 18:12.52 | lukeren | valdyn: 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 18:12.54 | valdyn | neiljp: no idea, its rare enough for me not to care |
| 18:12.59 | K_Dallas | thingfish, i see, so i install all the alsa relevant packages + the jack and jackd? |
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| 18:13.18 | wathek | hello everybody |
| 18:13.19 | wathek | :D |
| 18:13.34 | valdyn | lukeren: ok, full output of lspci please |
| 18:14.01 | lukeren | valdyn: i'll put it on my webserver, just a sec |
| 18:14.07 | abrotman | !paste |
| 18:14.08 | badgers | extra, extra, read all about it, paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. |
| 18:15.02 | thingfish | K_Dallas: are you going to use a desktop environment? |
| 18:15.14 | K_Dallas | well i am not that savvy ;) yes |
| 18:15.22 | K_Dallas | just gnome for the starter |
| 18:15.42 | lukeren | valdyn: http://www.rebelhq.org/lspci.txt |
| 18:15.54 | ClawGirl | is there a debian help channel? or only linux help? |
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| 18:16.12 | nvz | ClawGirl: this is the debian help channel |
| 18:16.20 | thingfish | K_Dallas: then choose Desktop Environment during install. After everything is installed and you're at the desktop, then install alsa-base. |
| 18:16.23 | K_Dallas | ClawGirl, nah, here people talk about halloween ;) |
| 18:16.23 | ClawGirl | ok |
| 18:16.24 | ClawGirl | :) |
| 18:16.29 | ClawGirl | lol |
| 18:16.38 | K_Dallas | thingfish, will do so, thanks a lot |
| 18:16.48 | thingfish | K_Dallas: and jack and jackd, which are both in debian. |
| 18:17.13 | K_Dallas | thingfish, hopefully i could figure those out if not, i would be back ;) |
| 18:17.21 | thingfish | K_Dallas: are you in a mixed windows network? If so, you might also want to select File Server during install. |
| 18:17.33 | ClawGirl | I dont do manicure |
| 18:17.46 | K_Dallas | thingfish, that would be almost a stand-alone system |
| 18:17.49 | K_Dallas | for personal use |
| 18:17.50 | ClawGirl | I am upset with the debian installer and pcmcia |
| 18:17.53 | nvz | me either, but I'd rather wing it then get all scratched up |
| 18:17.54 | oklinux | hey ClawGirl |
| 18:17.58 | thingfish | ok then, you won't need samba. |
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| 18:18.28 | ClawGirl | hey oklinux |
| 18:18.38 | K_Dallas | thingfish, i might actually install samba ;) someitmes i connect my win and linux boxes thru a router, then that could become handy |
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| 18:18.44 | valdyn | lukeren: you have 2 disk controllers: IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) IDE Controller (rev 03) and IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801FR/FRW (ICH6R/ICH6RW) SATA Controller (rev 03) |
| 18:19.05 | oklinux | where are you in Greece ClawGirl ? |
| 18:19.05 | valdyn | lukeren: looks to me like the 1st one has no hardware driver loaded |
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| 18:19.11 | thingfish | K_Dallas: you can also always do it after you're done with install and at the desktop. |
| 18:19.27 | K_Dallas | of course |
| 18:19.27 | ClawGirl | nvz if you where manicuring your nails you'd probably be a woman |
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| 18:19.30 | lukeren | valdyn: i see |
| 18:19.31 | ClawGirl | and I dont think you are woman |
| 18:19.37 | joneskoo | wonder why easytag just disappeared from debian testing? |
| 18:19.38 | K_Dallas | :) or a catgirl |
| 18:19.41 | ClawGirl | oklinux thessaloniki |
| 18:19.47 | joneskoo | E: Package easytag has no installation candidate |
| 18:19.53 | valdyn | lukeren: now im not sure if 2.6.8 supports this at all. ich6 is quite new i thought |
| 18:19.54 | sussudio | ah. |
| 18:20.07 | sussudio | !bear abrotman |
| 18:20.12 | abrotman | woohoo! |
| 18:20.17 | abrotman | !hump sussudio |
| 18:20.21 | lukeren | valdyn: 2.6.13.4 is the newest i think |
| 18:20.24 | sussudio | had it set to an older backup database |
| 18:20.37 | stew | i've had a recent manicure and pedicure, i was my sisters "maid" of honor at her wedding and so i had to go do brides maid things with her |
| 18:20.50 | sussudio | penicure? |
| 18:20.54 | nvz | heh |
| 18:20.59 | lukeren | valdyn: the problem is, i can't put it on another controller, the one it's on is the only one that has actual connectors on the motherboard |
| 18:21.00 | stew | that was already cured |
| 18:21.02 | sussudio | !seen penix |
| 18:21.03 | badgers | penix <n=wenas@unaffiliated/penix> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 27d 7h 1m 27s ago, saying: 'http://www.elx.com.au/images/products/full/elsKB-MINIUP.jpg'. |
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| 18:21.09 | ClawGirl | stew you are a woman? |
| 18:21.12 | stew | i am not |
| 18:21.16 | ClawGirl | lol |
| 18:21.19 | nvz | heh |
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| 18:21.33 | zinx | ClawGirl: are you? |
| 18:21.34 | nvz | he's the sister she never had |
| 18:21.40 | ClawGirl | yes I am |
| 18:21.40 | valdyn | lukeren: 2.6.10 defenitely supports it - try google |
| 18:21.45 | Fox_1_ | i want to check my proxy server anyone can talk with me in private and help me? |
| 18:21.45 | sussudio | in soviet alabama, sister has you |
| 18:21.46 | abrotman | stew: did you get to wear a dress ? |
| 18:21.51 | valdyn | lukeren: no idea which driver it is though |
| 18:21.55 | nvz | haha |
| 18:21.57 | stew | no, i wore a don johnsonesqe suit |
| 18:21.59 | ClawGirl | but I am not here to descuss about my sex |
| 18:22.02 | abrotman | wrong! |
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| 18:22.12 | p3rti | hi |
| 18:22.20 | ClawGirl | I came here because people told me to come here to ask for help |
| 18:22.26 | ClawGirl | I am new on debian |
| 18:22.34 | stew | being a running and having all kinds of calouses on my feet, it was nice to have a pedicure, i feel kinda sorry for the woman who was doing it though |
| 18:22.38 | nvz | !+info ClawGirl |
| 18:22.40 | stew | ^running^runner |
| 18:22.40 | badgers | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 18:22.41 | p3rti | there any way to put the codecs to see the all movies type of movies? |
| 18:22.41 | ClawGirl | I used to work only with gentoo |
| 18:22.50 | lukeren | valdyn: ok, maybe the kernel is the answer, i'll see if i can get myself to compile a new kernel ;) |
| 18:22.54 | nvz | must be real new, I cant find you on the repos |
| 18:23.00 | badgers | Package 'clawgirl' does not exist. |
| 18:23.16 | valdyn | lukeren: just get one from etch |
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| 18:23.20 | abrotman | p3rti: win32codecs |
| 18:23.26 | abrotman | p3rti: that's about the best you can do |
| 18:23.29 | ClawGirl | so can anyone solve my prob? |
| 18:23.33 | p3rti | thanks |
| 18:23.45 | valdyn | lukeren: since installing seemed to work flawlessly though it might be that that driver just is not loaded |
| 18:23.49 | stew | ClawGirl: you got that problem with the first reboot after booting the install disk? |
| 18:23.51 | p3rti | abrotman, wait i go to search it |
| 18:23.59 | lukeren | valdyn: that's what i'm thinking |
| 18:23.59 | abrotman | !marillat |
| 18:24.04 | stew | ClawGirl: did you install with the default 2.4 kernel or with "linux26" to get the 2.6 kernel? |
| 18:24.09 | abrotman | sussudio: you really need to resync him :) |
| 18:24.10 | valdyn | lukeren: if none of discover / hotplug is installed, then that driver does not get autoloaded |
| 18:24.14 | abrotman | !mplayer |
| 18:24.15 | badgers | somebody said mplayer was not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use ... |
| 18:24.22 | hytt | p3rti> apt-cache search w32codec |
| 18:24.22 | hytt | w32codecs - win32 binary codecs |
| 18:24.22 | hytt | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:24.30 | valdyn | lukeren: or discover1 |
| 18:24.33 | lukeren | valdyn: so installing hotplug might help ? |
| 18:24.56 | valdyn | lukeren: yea |
| 18:24.58 | ClawGirl | I start installation with 'expert26 hw-detection/start_pcmcia=false' |
| 18:25.11 | sussudio | abrotman: what? it's the database from a few days ago |
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| 18:25.17 | Anthro | ClawGirl: If you don't want pcmcia services at all, you should be able to boot single user, remove the pcmcia startup scripts from /etc/rc?.d, boot normally, and remove the pcmcia packages. |
| 18:25.21 | abrotman | !marillat |
| 18:25.23 | abrotman | sussudio: no workie! |
| 18:25.34 | sussudio | !listkeys marillat |
| 18:25.36 | badgers | Factoid search of 'marillat' by key (4): marillat mirrors ;; marillat ;; marillat-key ;; marillat key. |
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| 18:25.49 | txapatuzak | euskaldunik? |
| 18:25.51 | sussudio | !literal marillat |
| 18:25.51 | badgers | "marillat" is "an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt >= 0.6 ask me about <marillat key>" |
| 18:25.55 | stew | lukeren: are you a gnome user? do you have gnome-volume-manager installed? |
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| 18:25.59 | abrotman | wtf |
| 18:26.01 | ClawGirl | Anthro how can I boot on single user when the kernel doesnt boot at all? |
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| 18:26.24 | Anthro | ClawGirl: When does it crash? |
| 18:26.27 | stew | ClawGirl: we're guessing that the kernel boots, but in running the pcmcia startup script somehting dies |
| 18:26.34 | abrotman | p3rti: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/pool/main/w/w32codecs/w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb |
| 18:26.48 | citral | wtf is "YES, WE KNOW THAT ChanServ LIKES YOU"? |
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| 18:26.57 | ClawGirl | when detects pcmcia divice it crashes |
| 18:27.06 | chuck_gr | i am setting up a Palm Pilot on Debian, dmesg shows the palm at ttyUSB1 there is no ttyUSB 1 in /dev. how do i fix this? |
| 18:27.40 | Anthro | ClawGirl: That detection sounds like one of the following init scripts: pcmcia, discover, hotplug |
| 18:27.43 | lukeren | stew: nope |
| 18:27.45 | theUg | hi. Is there way to change monitor settings from the command promt without GUI? |
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| 18:27.54 | Anthro | ClawGirl: None of them should run when booting single user. |
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| 18:28.20 | Anthro | !blacklist |
| 18:28.20 | badgers | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present) |
| 18:28.47 | ClawGirl | how can I boot single user on debian(on gentoo I just boot from cd and chroot to hdd) |
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| 18:29.00 | Anthro | ClawGirl: You may need to remove the pcmcia module from /etc/modules and you may need to blacklist it for hotplug and discover. |
| 18:29.09 | Anthro | ClawGirl: Are you using LILO or GRUB? |
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| 18:29.16 | ClawGirl | GRUB |
| 18:29.24 | hytt | ClawGirl> with option in kernel: single |
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| 18:29.26 | lukeren | valdyn: hotplug is already installed |
| 18:29.34 | ClawGirl | so easy? |
| 18:29.36 | hytt | edit your grub type "e" |
| 18:29.36 | ClawGirl | :P |
| 18:29.46 | Anthro | ClawGirl: I don't know GRUB (I prefer LILO) but you can do what hytt said. |
| 18:29.46 | hytt | your line with kernel image path |
| 18:29.59 | theUg | Can I change monitor settings from text mode? |
| 18:30.00 | hytt | add to the end of line: single |
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| 18:30.15 | ClawGirl | ok let me try it know |
| 18:30.18 | ClawGirl | brb in 1 |
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| 18:30.41 | abrotman | 1 what? |
| 18:30.42 | neiljp | anyone know a viewcvs-alike for recent linux kernels? don't exactly want to d/l large numbers of kernels just to check a patch, if I can avoid it... |
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| 18:30.58 | abrotman | neiljp: to do what ? |
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| 18:31.16 | neiljp | abrotman: check/compare source for one file |
| 18:31.24 | abrotman | neiljp: google "browse linux source" |
| 18:31.47 | abrotman | neiljp: that's how i usually do it .. but i'm usually looking to read a single file or two |
| 18:31.48 | neiljp | damnit, its lxr not viewcvs :) |
| 18:31.57 | abrotman | neiljp: you found it ? |
| 18:33.27 | abrotman | !moo |
| 18:33.28 | badgers | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 18:33.47 | neiljp | abrotman: yeah, but the lines don't match, and it seems applied in 2.6.10 (no src of 2.6.7/2.6.8 on there afaict) |
| 18:33.51 | neiljp | at least on that site... |
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| 18:34.30 | fbi | no more dpkg? |
| 18:34.35 | abrotman | fbi: he's napping |
| 18:34.42 | fbi | cool! |
| 18:34.48 | fbi | can i use badger to search? |
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| 18:35.01 | hytt | !blacklist |
| 18:35.01 | badgers | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present) |
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| 18:35.10 | fbi | apparently. |
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| 18:36.33 | abrotman | wait .. i think i know pedro420? |
| 18:36.44 | abrotman | he's from .. scranton! |
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| 18:37.16 | pedro420 | abrotman:nope leetsdale pa |
| 18:37.22 | abrotman | pedro420: you lie! |
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| 18:37.29 | abrotman | pedro420: surely you are not a yinzer! |
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| 18:37.30 | stew | l33tsd4le? |
| 18:37.38 | fbi | haha |
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| 18:37.49 | bz | peterS, hi are you there? |
| 18:38.10 | fbi | is that next to n00bville, pa? |
| 18:38.15 | fbi | i still have no idea what a yinzer is. |
| 18:38.22 | pedro420 | no |
| 18:38.23 | cafrex | hi, new ubuntu guy needs help?!?! |
| 18:38.30 | fbi | cafrex: #ubuntu |
| 18:38.42 | Stabilisator | Hi. I've a hardware question. I want to use Feather Linux with ndiswrapper. Which WLAN Card can you recommend? |
| 18:38.45 | cafrex | ok thanks |
| 18:38.54 | abrotman | fbi: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=yinzer |
| 18:38.58 | sussudio | Stabilisator: this channel is for debian only |
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| 18:39.21 | ClawGirl | there is no pcmcia entry on modules file, but I removed the pcmcia init file from the rc2.d :) |
| 18:39.29 | Stabilisator | ok i want to use Debian with ndiswrapper ;-) |
| 18:39.30 | fbi | ah i get it now |
| 18:39.32 | abrotman | fbi: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=yinz |
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| 18:39.34 | pedro420 | nvz:are you around? |
| 18:39.35 | fbi | yinzer == chick with big hair. |
| 18:39.37 | Stabilisator | Better? *g* |
| 18:39.41 | sussudio | !dict yinzer |
| 18:39.43 | badgers | i could not get info from 127.0.0.1 'error: connect: Connection refused at ./src/Modules/Dict.pl line 42. |
| 18:39.51 | sussudio | hrm. |
| 18:40.01 | abrotman | fbi: nah .. wrong one .. read farther down |
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| 18:40.14 | abrotman | pedro420: he's sleeping ? |
| 18:40.23 | abrotman | !ndiswrapper |
| 18:40.23 | badgers | [ndiswrapper] a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux i386 only. If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" for information on setting up ndiswrapper. If you ... |
| 18:40.26 | ClawGirl | Anthro and hytt thanks a lot |
| 18:40.33 | hytt | np :) |
| 18:40.33 | abrotman | !tell Stabilisator about ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 18:40.33 | pedro420 | aborotman he's always sleeping |
| 18:40.42 | fbi | number 3 you mean? |
| 18:40.42 | Anthro | ClawGirl: Got it working then? Good! |
| 18:40.46 | abrotman | pedro420: unless he's drinking :) |
| 18:40.47 | fbi | i know a few yinzers then. |
| 18:40.50 | stew | sussudio: why would you want to use ndiswrapper instead of getting a card with linux support? |
| 18:40.52 | ClawGirl | yes yes:) |
| 18:41.07 | stew | why did i say that to sussudio ? |
| 18:41.14 | pedro420 | and he only live right down the street from me and i can't ever get ahold of him |
| 18:41.16 | Anthro | stew: Cuz your wireless is built in rather than on a card? |
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| 18:41.41 | stew | Anthro: he was asking what card to buy to use ndiswrapper |
| 18:41.41 | bz | when i try to reboot my debian gets hung up on starting the apache service any ideas why? |
| 18:41.42 | Stabilisator | *g* i don't know...i have a wlan card but don'T know an other way to use it.... |
| 18:41.56 | Anthro | stew: Ah. I see. Yeah, that's dumb. |
| 18:42.12 | pedro420 | abrotman: thanks anyway. |
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| 18:42.37 | abrotman | pedro420: nothing we can help you with? .. or it's a social call ? |
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| 18:43.01 | Stabilisator | i have a wlan card but i cannot useit. There are problems with the Marvell chipset. |
| 18:43.12 | Stabilisator | And so i search a card that can rock |
| 18:43.25 | xoz | bz: are you sure it's apache? try to disable as many services you can and start with a minimal set of daemons which you think are not problematic and troubleshoot from there. |
| 18:43.45 | pedro420 | abrotman: my computer has no volume slection on it anymore and i can't figure out why nvz came over said he fixed but it's not fixed. |
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| 18:43.58 | abrotman | pedro420: typical yinzer ... |
| 18:44.02 | abrotman | pedro420: gnome or kde ? |
| 18:44.15 | pedro420 | abrotman: kce |
| 18:44.16 | bz | xoz, how do i do that? |
| 18:44.18 | mike | simple question - I'm using dd to image a device (lets say /dev/hdc) and I'm splitting it into smaller images as I go...I'm just not sure about my math. I'm basically just using count=somenumber, skip=samenumber*iteration. So if count = 100, and i'm on the 3rd iteration then skip will be 300 and it will pull the next 100 blocks after that. The problem is I'm not sure if I'm accidentally skipping a single block by doing that (ie: i should be doing skip= (sam |
| 18:44.23 | pedro420 | kde* |
| 18:44.32 | Flawless | What imapd server do you guys recommend? I'm using courier, but I can't make it work properly, so I thought I'd try something else |
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| 18:44.33 | abrotman | pedro420: does your sound work at all ? |
| 18:44.44 | abrotman | Flawless: courier/cyrus/dovecot |
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| 18:44.52 | Flawless | abrotman: thanks |
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| 18:45.08 | pedro420 | abrotman: yea but you can't turn it up or down. |
| 18:45.16 | stew | mike: you could just skip the math and cat /dev/hdc | split |
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| 18:45.22 | abrotman | pedro420: hrm ... this is bad? |
| 18:45.44 | abrotman | pedro420: if you start a konsole and use alsamixer .. can you do it that way ? |
| 18:45.44 | bz | xoz, help:) |
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| 18:45.57 | pedro420 | abrotman yea i figured that. |
| 18:46.04 | abrotman | ? |
| 18:46.13 | xoz | bz: update-rc.d ? or rename /etc/init.d/<Sfiles> to something not executable by init. |
| 18:46.15 | w3rdn4 | does anyone know the default password for a linksys router? |
| 18:46.18 | mike | stew: but I have to be able to reconstruct the file system from separate cdroms when im done...ie: each file will be on a separate cd and then a script will go back and dd the image files back onto a disk in the correct order - will that be possible with split? I also have to gzip each image file after it's created |
| 18:46.22 | pedro420 | abrotman: that it was bad |
| 18:46.22 | abrotman | pedro420: you could just go over and beat on his door :) |
| 18:46.32 | abrotman | w3rdn4: it's in your manual |
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| 18:46.50 | pedro420 | abrotman: no way man his mom is strange. |
| 18:46.55 | goccia | mike: why don't you use partimage ? |
| 18:47.04 | w3rdn4 | my roommate lost the manual! |
| 18:47.13 | abrotman | w3rdn4: use the intarweb .. get the PDF!! |
| 18:47.15 | Ronin | w3rdn4: www.google.com then i suspect |
| 18:47.17 | sussudio | !safety dance |
| 18:47.17 | badgers | We can dance if we want to We can leave your friends behind 'Cause your friends don't dance and if they don't dance Well they're no friends of mine |
| 18:47.24 | stew | mike: there would be no difference in useing repeated dd or cat | split |
| 18:47.27 | abrotman | pedro420: oh .. ok then |
| 18:47.34 | mike | goccia: honestly i'm not totally sure - one of the other guys in my office has spent the last month trying to use partimage but said it wouldn't work for what we needed, so now im supposed to write this script :) |
| 18:47.38 | abrotman | pedro420: if you start a konsole and use alsamixer .. can you do it that way ? |
| 18:47.50 | mike | stew: but if I'm using dd i actually know how to recover using the same dd command input |
| 18:48.01 | pedro420 | abrotman: how do i go about doing that? |
| 18:48.05 | mike | with split i don't know how to reconstruct the filesystem from various sources |
| 18:48.06 | goccia | mike: depends . you should use the same version to replace |
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| 18:48.16 | abrotman | pedro420: start a terminal .. type 'alsamixer' |
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| 18:48.31 | goccia | mike: i use sid partimage or sysrescue cd and it never fails |
| 18:48.38 | stew | mike: you can dd the results of split back onto the drive |
| 18:48.50 | wpox | hello, anyone knows how can i see the creation date of a folder?? |
| 18:48.59 | pedro420 | abrotman: okay then what? |
| 18:49.21 | eeyore- | wpox: change its ctime |
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| 18:49.45 | wpox | eeyore, is ctime creation time? |
| 18:49.47 | abrotman | pedro420: try to move them up and down ? |
| 18:50.01 | stew | mike: your original message got cut off, but it doesn't look like your math is flawed |
| 18:50.01 | w3rdn4 | paassword is admin |
| 18:50.02 | _Alf_SAC_Bonfim | olá galera.. onde posso conseguir um link para baixar o debian sem nenhum errinho? |
| 18:50.05 | eeyore- | wpox: yep |
| 18:50.05 | w3rdn4 | what a weird pass |
| 18:50.08 | mike | goccia: well let me tell you a little about what we have to do :( Basically we're gonna have a "set of cds". One cd boots linux, the rest are used to restore a bunch of gzipped image files back onto /dev/hda - each cd has different chunks of the filesystem |
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| 18:50.37 | xoz | wpox: time of last modification. not really creation time |
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| 18:50.51 | abrotman | !es |
| 18:50.52 | badgers | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:50.54 | mike | stew: i'd rather do it the simplest way possible - it just seems like using split, and then taking each split file, gzipping them, and then copying each one to a separate cd will be hard to recover into a single hard drive in sequential order, as each cdrom will need a different command |
| 18:51.19 | xoz | badgers: who owns you |
| 18:51.20 | badgers | dondelelcaro does |
| 18:51.25 | wpox | xoz, and, is there any way to see the creation time instead of the last modification?? |
| 18:51.32 | eeyore- | wpox: there isn't an API for it, so you'll probably have to hack the filesystem directly :-) |
| 18:51.37 | xoz | wpox: no way |
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| 18:51.47 | eeyore- | wpox: man 2 stat |
| 18:51.48 | wpox | ok thank you |
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| 18:51.55 | wrarrl | is there anyone here with experience troubleshooting DNS/BIND issues? |
| 18:51.55 | mike | ie: with dd i can just copy the images to each cd, then use the same commands i wrote with to read each chunk back into /dev/hda in the right order, one dd at a time :) |
| 18:51.57 | goccia | mike: easy : partimage can split and gzip 'em . also there is a server to do it remotely |
| 18:52.02 | eeyore- | wpox: all the info you need comes from stat() |
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| 18:52.23 | mike | goccia: but then is it possible to recover the split/gzipped files back onto the local hard drive from a bunch of cds? |
| 18:52.39 | mike | booting off a cd that runs partimage and then pulls each gzipped image file from each cd in order? |
| 18:53.05 | eeyore- | wpox: also, if you want to change the other "normal" time (mtime, atime), you can use utime() to update them |
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| 18:53.52 | wpox | do you know what is the difference between last modification and last change? in stat |
| 18:53.53 | pattieja | hello |
| 18:54.21 | eeyore- | wpox: you mean the comment "last status changed"? |
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| 18:54.58 | pattieja | anybody know a good place to start for Apache hacks on Debian? I've kept up with all the updates for sarge, but someone managed to use Apache to deposit some files in /tmp and launch them. |
| 18:55.02 | eeyore- | lunch |
| 18:55.11 | wpox | eeyore, no, the stat command has to options: %y Time of last modification |
| 18:55.11 | wpox | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.35 | mike | goccia: the reason we're not using partimage is because it cannot image the entire hard drive, and it requires the partition you image to exist on the target drive before "recovering" it. |
| 18:56.03 | goccia | mike: get a live like sysrescuecd |
| 18:56.14 | mike | goccia: unfortunately this ownt work, as the drives we're restoring images to are brand new and have no partitions, nor will the tech running this application know how to create them - partimage doesn't even let us select /dev/hda |
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| 18:56.17 | goccia | i have a old version on floppy |
| 18:56.38 | goccia | i got you know |
| 18:56.59 | goccia | but a live can do a partition anyway |
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| 18:57.36 | mike | a live? |
| 18:58.06 | goccia | yes debian based as knoppix or gentoo based as sysrescue cd |
| 18:59.36 | goccia | mike: i like partimage cuse ncurses makes easy doing it on lots splitted images when i'm tired |
| 18:59.41 | goccia | cause* |
| 19:00.03 | cheal | pattieja: the modules you use |
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| 19:00.25 | pattieja | cheal, what are you interested in? |
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| 19:00.33 | pattieja | anything specific? |
| 19:01.04 | cr3 | in a shell script, how can I determine if a directory is mounted? I can't test -d $DIR, because the directory is there before beign mounted. so, any suggestions? |
| 19:01.09 | cheal | pattieja: I was thinking about PHP, but whatever module you use could have a security hole |
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| 19:01.19 | xoz | cr3: mount |
| 19:01.29 | neiljp | balls, its a broken bios |
| 19:01.32 | pattieja | cheal, We are using PHP for some parts of sites that we host |
| 19:02.13 | goccia | mike: http://www.sysresccd.org/ |
| 19:02.23 | cr3 | xoz: parsing the output of mount is likely to be tedious |
| 19:02.31 | cr3 | ... and error prone |
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| 19:03.25 | cheal | pattieja: depending on your configuration, that can be enough to allow uploads to /tmp. it depends on all the PHP code you run too |
| 19:03.25 | xoz | cr3: grep in /proc/mounts ? |
| 19:03.35 | Nick_Hill | !sarge |
| 19:03.35 | badgers | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 19:04.11 | pattieja | cheal, mostly, php is used for including HTML files for headers and footers on each webpage and some scripts that access a database |
| 19:04.13 | Gnea | !samba |
| 19:04.14 | badgers | i guess samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html) |
| 19:04.49 | abrotman | Gnea: AZ!~ |
| 19:05.00 | cheal | pattieja: it could be PHP holes, or flaws in your PHP code |
| 19:05.24 | xoz | pattieja: sql injection? |
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| 19:05.41 | pattieja | xoz, no, a UDP flood attack was initiated from our webserver |
| 19:06.00 | pattieja | it only appears to occur for a few hours at a time, then the hacker stops the processes |
| 19:06.08 | pattieja | and then usually waits around 24 hours |
| 19:06.15 | pattieja | before doing it again |
| 19:06.56 | xoz | pattieja: probably a decoy? |
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| 19:07.15 | pattieja | xoz, a decoy for what? |
| 19:07.28 | Nick_Hill | The title of the channel needs to be changed now that badgers is our bot. |
| 19:07.41 | xoz | pattieja: that's how a decoy is defined? the real intention is unknown :) |
| 19:07.50 | pattieja | oh. |
| 19:08.13 | Nick_Hill | Can we see a list of factoids on badger? |
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| 19:08.25 | pattieja | well, the hacker is intentionally UDP flooding a single host with all of the colocated bandwidth we have available (i.e., 56Mbps) |
| 19:08.32 | stew | Nick_Hill: /msg badgers help ; /msg badgers listkeys foo |
| 19:08.38 | pattieja | on the IRC port |
| 19:08.48 | stew | Nick_Hill: dpkg will be back very soon |
| 19:08.54 | cheal | Nick_Hill: badgers is our bot now? |
| 19:08.57 | pattieja | xoz, sql is not exposed to the world |
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| 19:09.03 | pattieja | only localhost can access it |
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| 19:09.09 | fbi | that's not a hacker. it's a packet kiddie. |
| 19:09.10 | xoz | pattieja: but sql injection is possible |
| 19:09.21 | Nick_Hill | stew, I hope dpkg will remember factoids programmed 24 hrs ago. |
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| 19:09.23 | pattieja | I don't deny that |
| 19:09.28 | stew | Nick_Hill: he will, of course |
| 19:09.29 | pattieja | I just don't think it's happened, though |
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| 19:09.48 | xoz | more often than you would expect |
| 19:09.49 | stew | Nick_Hill: he has factoids that go back from many years |
| 19:09.54 | chuck_gr | dmesg sees palm at ttyUSB according to /dev ttyUSB doesnt exist. how can i fix this? |
| 19:09.56 | pattieja | xoz, true |
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| 19:10.21 | Nick_Hill | stew, I was concerned that he might be reverted to a less recent backup. |
| 19:10.42 | xoz | plus php has lots of vulnerabilities..... |
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| 19:10.50 | pattieja | yes |
| 19:10.55 | stew | Nick_Hill: no, he likely just needs to be -HUPped |
| 19:11.13 | pattieja | as far as I can tell, the "packet kiddie" has placed two files in /tmp and launched them with Perl |
| 19:11.33 | pattieja | the first provides him a shell from Apache (www-data owns the process) |
| 19:11.58 | pattieja | the second script is launched via the first and all the attacker does is give it a host and a port to then flood with UDP packets |
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| 19:12.16 | Gnea | abrotman: GZ@*# |
| 19:12.19 | Nick_Hill | stew, It appears ubotu is almost the same as dpkg. Does dpkg have a factoid interface like ubotu here: http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/ |
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| 19:12.29 | abrotman | Gnea: you're not in AZ ? |
| 19:12.33 | Gnea | i am |
| 19:12.34 | Gnea | oh |
| 19:12.35 | Gnea | lol |
| 19:12.43 | stew | Nick_Hill: i put up something similar: http://vireo.org/~stew/dpkg |
| 19:13.02 | abrotman | Gnea: eeyore- was asking the other day if anyone was in AZ |
| 19:13.16 | Gnea | abrotman: oh? |
| 19:13.39 | cheal | stew: interesting :) |
| 19:13.47 | Nick_Hill | stew, Great! Does it update in real time? |
| 19:14.02 | abrotman | Gnea: white mountains? .. something about offroading ? |
| 19:14.06 | stew | Nick_Hill: no, nightly |
| 19:14.14 | oklinux | hello stew |
| 19:14.15 | fbi | pattieja: that's not uncommon for a packet kiddie to root a server on a fat pipe, and then packet all their enemies (most likely other packet kiddies on EFnet) |
| 19:14.32 | Gnea | abrotman: white tanks? |
| 19:14.32 | stew | Nick_Hill: dpkg puts up an archive nightly on a webpage, i grab that and repopulate my database |
| 19:14.38 | fbi | pattieja: you should be looking into how this user got root |
| 19:15.00 | stew | oklinux: saluton |
| 19:15.05 | pattieja | fbi, I don't think the user got root |
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| 19:15.21 | oklinux | hello stew how are you ? |
| 19:15.21 | abrotman | Gnea: maybe that was it! |
| 19:15.24 | Nick_Hill | stew, Where can I see a complete list of factoids? |
| 19:15.25 | pattieja | the files are owned by the apache webserver user (i.e., www-data) |
| 19:15.25 | fbi | pattieja: how did they install anything in /tmp ? |
| 19:15.31 | Gnea | abrotman: yeah, offroading is a big thing here |
| 19:15.35 | abrotman | !your factoids |
| 19:15.36 | badgers | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. there is a searchable database of my factoids at http://vireo.org/~stew/dpkg/ |
| 19:15.42 | Gnea | abrotman: i have yet to have fun with my 4x4 |
| 19:15.47 | abrotman | Gnea: you're all rednecks! |
| 19:15.50 | Gnea | rofl |
| 19:15.52 | abrotman | Gnea: go with eeyore-! |
| 19:16.02 | oklinux | Gnea get up |
| 19:16.12 | Gnea | oklinux: what? |
| 19:16.22 | oklinux | you were on the floor |
| 19:16.25 | pattieja | I'm not sure, but it appears that this file is out there (found lots of returns on Google for part of it's signature) and it seems to be run from /tmp in all the cases I've found so far |
| 19:16.35 | Gnea | ... |
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| 19:16.46 | fbi | pattieja: either way, have you checked for any signs of a rootkit? |
| 19:16.51 | abrotman | Gnea: it's ok .. i didn't think it was funny either .. and my sense of humor is totally warped |
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| 19:17.00 | bz | is it possible that during bootup, my boot stops with apache because of a missing pass phrase? |
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| 19:17.43 | abrotman | yes |
| 19:17.57 | abrotman | if you didn't read how to remove the passphrase .. your machine will wait for it |
| 19:18.02 | pattieja | fbi, the last time I ran chkrootkit (which is run daily from cron), it did not complain, but the server did crash. I thought it might have been a previous problem that we had with the hardware RAID controller in the system. |
| 19:18.31 | stew | i still have yet to see chkrootkit turn up a rootkit even on servers known to be rooted |
| 19:18.43 | bz | abrotman, how do i stop it from doing that but start the apache service? |
| 19:18.55 | wOOt | rkhunter? |
| 19:18.58 | abrotman | bz: google "remove ssl passphrase" |
| 19:19.07 | pattieja | wOOt, haven't tried that one yet |
| 19:19.11 | tarzeau | stew: did you install kfreebsd already? |
| 19:19.18 | abrotman | tarzeau: fix the mac! |
| 19:19.33 | tarzeau | abrotman: and i've just found another centris |
| 19:19.47 | pattieja | wOOt, it doesn't seem to exist as a debian installable package (i.e., apt-cache search rkhunter returns nothing) |
| 19:19.53 | Xenguy | stew: I discovered a break-in at work with chkrootkit a couple of years ago (T0RN IIRC) |
| 19:19.57 | dli | stew: I had a server rooted, and crash from time to time :( |
| 19:20.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: 1: so, take two centris hardware, 2: put into one quadra, 3: ? |
| 19:20.09 | tarzeau | supercomputer? |
| 19:20.16 | xoz | pattieja: apt-file search is more discriminating |
| 19:20.23 | abrotman | tarzeau: buildd ? |
| 19:20.24 | wOOt | pattieja, are u in stable? |
| 19:20.27 | abrotman | !u |
| 19:20.28 | badgers | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 19:20.30 | pattieja | wOOt, yes |
| 19:20.33 | dafresh | hi all, i have my / on 2 scsi hdd / raid 1 soft, and 2 ide hdd near theme, and i have i really big probleme with the flow on the ide hdd ? anyone have some idea why ? |
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| 19:20.36 | wOOt | wait a sec |
| 19:20.44 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'm sure yoe would love to add you to the buildd form68k |
| 19:20.51 | pattieja | xoz, I don't seem to have apt-file |
| 19:20.57 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'd be happy to get nethack running on it |
| 19:20.58 | AciD | xoz > what's the difference between apt-file and apt-cache ? |
| 19:21.02 | xoz | pattieja: install |
| 19:21.09 | xoz | AciD: !apt-file |
| 19:21.14 | abrotman | tarzeau: track down yoe ? |
| 19:21.20 | AciD | thx |
| 19:21.21 | AciD | !apt-file |
| 19:21.22 | badgers | hmm... apt-file is util used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also auto-apt and pdo |
| 19:21.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: i couldn't find him |
| 19:21.24 | xoz | AciD: apt-cache show apt-file |
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| 19:21.31 | abrotman | tarzeau: /msg yoe |
| 19:21.44 | pattieja | xoz, apt-file search rkhunter still returns nothing |
| 19:21.50 | sumar | hi. debian etch is good for stable home router? |
| 19:21.54 | abrotman | no |
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| 19:22.06 | xoz | !search google for rkhunter |
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| 19:22.26 | wOOt | pattieja, http://downloads.rootkit.nl/rkhunter-1.2.7.tar.gz |
| 19:22.34 | wOOt | easy installing |
| 19:23.08 | tarzeau | abrotman: /msgd him |
| 19:23.13 | tarzeau | sumar: no |
| 19:23.15 | abrotman | tarzeau: yay |
| 19:23.24 | sumar | tarzeau: why not? |
| 19:23.29 | tarzeau | sumar: because it's testing |
| 19:23.40 | tarzeau | sumar: what hardware? what kernel? |
| 19:23.46 | tarzeau | sumar: i'd either use stable or unstable |
| 19:23.59 | tarzeau | why do people think testing is in the middle, when it is the worst? |
| 19:24.10 | wOOt | lol |
| 19:24.28 | xoz | except when it's near release |
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| 19:25.00 | tarzeau | xoz: the stars are more near, than etch! |
| 19:25.21 | xoz | tarzeau: lightyears away? duh! |
| 19:25.37 | ahewitt | Hi all...I am having a problem with an apache2 rewrite rule where it is being rewritten to the first virtual host that is listening on the same IP address...is there anyone in here that would mind having a look at a pastebin to see what I have done wrong? |
| 19:25.47 | tarzeau | xoz: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
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| 19:26.01 | fevel | why dont yo guys like dcc send?? |
| 19:26.08 | tarzeau | fevel: what do you send? |
| 19:26.11 | sumar | tarzeau: p2 266MHz and 2.4.31 |
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| 19:26.34 | tarzeau | fevel: the irc client runs on a computer with not more than 15mb free diskspace.. guess why i hate dcc send/get |
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| 19:26.46 | |dennis| | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.54 | tarzeau | sumar: that's fine. use stable or unstable |
| 19:26.58 | tarzeau | !star |
| 19:26.59 | badgers | i heard star is one of those big burning gas thingies or is a network topology |
| 19:27.03 | fbi | fevel: dcc is for wares whores! ftp > * |
| 19:27.13 | fevel | tarzeau: oh I see...thought it was security issues |
| 19:27.13 | sumar | why testing is soo bad? |
| 19:27.18 | xoz | !boobies |
| 19:27.18 | badgers | /(.)^(.)-(.)^(.)\ |
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| 19:27.22 | fbi | haha! |
| 19:27.33 | fbi | that makes me wish i had four hands. |
| 19:27.41 | CosmoDad | I'd like to use my notebook within a LAN using NIS, but I also want my personal data available when I'm out of office.. are there any debian packages available for syncing data in such a fashion? |
| 19:27.44 | wOOt | lolz |
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| 19:27.54 | tarzeau | fbi: you drink with your hands? |
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| 19:27.57 | stew | tarzeau: heh, no kfreebsd yet |
| 19:28.06 | fbi | tarzeau: frequently. |
| 19:28.10 | stew | tarzeau: that would happen at the earliest this weekend but probably not for months :) |
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| 19:28.16 | abrotman | sumar: minimal security updates .. for starters |
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| 19:28.49 | buht-work | hey guys |
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| 19:29.21 | buht-work | im trying to determine which x server driver i need for the matrox parhelia agp video card... i know there is an mga driver but i think its only for the older matrox millenium cards, any ideas? |
| 19:30.12 | xoz | buht-work: usually the kernel source for the driver has a readme in the docs section what hw it supports. |
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| 19:30.37 | dafresh | hi all, i have my "/" on 2 scsi hdd - raid 1 soft, and 2 ide hdd near theme, and i have i really big probleme with the flow of the ide hdd ? anyone have some idea why ? |
| 19:30.42 | sly007 | Hello, is there a tool similar to gdb for kernel modules? |
| 19:30.44 | wOOt | buht-work, discover - hardware identification system |
| 19:30.48 | buht-work | xoz: ok but im stuck in the initial install right now |
| 19:30.50 | sumar | tarzeau: what do you think about debian 2.4.27-2-386 kernel? |
| 19:30.51 | stew | buht-work: mga |
| 19:30.56 | fbi | buht-work: according to xorg's homepage there is no driver for that chipset (yet) |
| 19:30.56 | buht-work | it defaulted to vesa, but i dunno what vesa supports |
| 19:31.08 | stew | sumar: its the best debian 2.4 kernel evar |
| 19:31.09 | buht-work | stew: mga will support the newer parhelia |
| 19:31.11 | xoz | buht-work: tried mga? |
| 19:31.15 | buht-work | xoz: nope |
| 19:31.20 | xoz | buht-work: try then |
| 19:31.23 | buht-work | k |
| 19:31.26 | stew | buht-work: i believe so |
| 19:31.29 | buht-work | was checking on the right choice first |
| 19:31.36 | buht-work | wanted to get full use out of the card |
| 19:31.40 | sumar | stew: can you be serious? |
| 19:31.56 | stew | sumar: what cpu do you have? |
| 19:31.58 | tarzeau | sumar: sucks |
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| 19:32.09 | xoz | buht-work: mga seems to have a good record as far as matrox is concerned |
| 19:32.09 | tarzeau | sumar: problem is i've got some hardware that won't run with it, but ok with 2.4.31 |
| 19:32.16 | tarzeau | sumar: same for the old 2.6 kernel debian ships |
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| 19:32.50 | sumar | both of that runs ok, but I don't know what kernel is more secure |
| 19:33.02 | sumar | stew: pentium II - 266MHz |
| 19:33.12 | stew | sumar: then you want 2.4.27-2-686 |
| 19:33.26 | stew | sumar: or 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 19:33.27 | FarrisG | anyone know of an accurate tool for testing up/down network speed from a command line? |
| 19:33.43 | wOOt | iptraf? |
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| 19:33.57 | sumar | stew: but it's better than compiled myself (secure have high priority) |
| 19:34.00 | stew | sumar: (assuming you are on sarge aka stable) |
| 19:34.00 | Knorrie | hey, i created a lvm volume group, but when i reboot the machine, it's no longer marked active, and i have to `vgchange -a y` to get it working again... what's missing? |
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| 19:34.07 | buht-work | http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man4/mga.4.html <--- no parhelia |
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| 19:34.46 | stew | sumar: i do not believe the 2.4.27-2 kernel has any known vulnerabilites. however if you are *paranoid* about security compile a kernel without loadable module support |
| 19:35.00 | xoz | buht-work: parhelia is evolved mga... so the base tech is similar i guess. try it instead of arguing. it won't work if it's not compatible. |
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| 19:35.46 | dafresh | hey guys, anyone can help me ? |
| 19:35.52 | sumar | stew: thanks for your help |
| 19:36.20 | pattieja | xoz, wOOt, fbi, I just ran rkhunter. It found nothing except an older version of PHP 4.3.10, but I assume that is the version that comes with Debian sarge? |
| 19:37.23 | pattieja | it also found that the server is allowed to be logged in as root via SSH, but that is limited to Protocol 2 and publickey authentication, which the backup server uses to backup the nightly backups |
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| 19:37.46 | pattieja | I think I've determined that they used the webserver somehow to deposit the files and launch them |
| 19:37.58 | pattieja | at least, that's the way it appears |
| 19:38.24 | xoz | pattieja: create a honeypot and track what he's doing... |
| 19:39.04 | pattieja | xoz, I only have one IP address from the colo provider |
| 19:39.07 | stew | pattieja: or install snoopy which logs all execve calls to auth.log, which tells you just about everything thats going on on the server (at the price of some server speed and disk space) |
| 19:39.35 | MrPrimate | hey can anyone recommend a good audio tool to use to down sample wav files? I have a 44khz sound and I try to get to 8000khz and it should be a tiny file, but audacity still spits out a file of almsot the same size |
| 19:39.52 | stew | pattieja: are you running any 3rd party webapps not from debian packages that might be vulnerable? last time this happened to a client of mine it was, for instance, a hand installed copy of awstats |
| 19:40.01 | stew | MrPrimate: sox |
| 19:40.03 | pattieja | stew, should I allow the ld.so.preload to occur? |
| 19:40.25 | stew | pattieja: if you are install snoopy then yes, that's the only way it works |
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| 19:40.58 | sumar | can anyone make to me htb/cbq on my router? |
| 19:40.59 | dli | stew: I'm removing module loading from kernel, didn't realize that :) |
| 19:41.00 | pattieja | stew, not that I am aware of. The only thing the webserver is running are some inhouse PHP code and a CMS from PlainBlack called WebGUI (www.plainblack.com/webgui) |
| 19:41.08 | xoz | pattieja: and don't mess with it because it will make your system inoperable... |
| 19:41.18 | Supaplex | does 2.4.31 have any fs%*@$ up networking issues? |
| 19:41.26 | pattieja | xoz, huh? |
| 19:41.41 | pattieja | xoz, should I not run snoopy? |
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| 19:41.53 | xoz | pattieja: CMS and php dynamic scripting are always good point of attach. |
| 19:42.05 | pattieja | yeah |
| 19:42.29 | stew | dli: if you have loadable modules, and someone gets root on your box, they can insert a kernel module that does whatever they want (like hide their processes or network connections from userspace tools like netstat and ps) |
| 19:42.32 | pattieja | xoz, what will make my system inoperable? |
| 19:42.33 | buht-work | noz, stew, thanks, ill give it a shot and see what happens :) |
| 19:42.34 | stew | dli: i personally don't worry about this |
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| 19:43.13 | stew | sumar: what do you mean? if you are using a debian kernel they will already be available |
| 19:43.15 | dli | stew: last time, I got rooted by an LKM |
| 19:43.18 | pro | anyone know how i can make a mail server where people login with their emailaddress as a username |
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| 19:43.29 | loocek | by command "ssh <login>@<address> cat <movie-path> | mplayer -" you can watch remote film but without forward, does anybody know how to watch a film WITH FORWRD ? |
| 19:43.51 | xoz | pattieja: you can but be careful messing with the config... |
| 19:43.52 | pro | loocek, -idx |
| 19:43.57 | pattieja | stew, I'm aware of that. However in this situation, the processes were still in plain site in a ps. I just didn't think fast enough to do a netstat while they were running before I put firewall rules in place to block the port they were using for their outbound traffic |
| 19:44.11 | loocek | pro: ok, i'll try |
| 19:44.28 | pattieja | stew, where does snoopy log its output |
| 19:44.29 | pattieja | ? |
| 19:44.33 | stew | pattieja: /var/log/auth.log |
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| 19:44.57 | pattieja | hmm. no snoopy output, yet |
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| 19:45.04 | pattieja | what will it look like? |
| 19:45.05 | Trewas | loocek: you must transfer the file to local computer to be able to forward... when reading a pipe mplayer cannnot jump around in the file, but must read it sequentially |
| 19:45.13 | sumar | stew: scripts for dynamic traffic |
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| 19:45.51 | stew | pattieja: Oct 27 15:45:30 www snoopy[21049]: [root, uid:0 sid:21025]: ls --color=auto |
| 19:46.10 | stew | sumar: apt-cache show wondershaper |
| 19:46.42 | sumar | stew: I will check it |
| 19:47.02 | pattieja | stew, that seems to imply that snoopy is running as a process, also |
| 19:47.11 | pattieja | I don't see a process running on my server |
| 19:47.19 | stew | pattieja: it doesn't run as a process |
| 19:47.25 | pattieja | k |
| 19:47.31 | pattieja | the preload runs every time? |
| 19:47.40 | pattieja | do I need to reboot at all? |
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| 19:48.32 | xoz | pattieja: be careful not to remove preload while snoopy is installed... without preload, snoopy will run amok. |
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| 19:48.45 | pattieja | xoz, k |
| 19:49.06 | pattieja | it doesn't seem to have detrimentally affected performance |
| 19:49.17 | xoz | pattieja: read the readme in /usr/share/doc/snoopy |
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| 19:49.32 | xoz | pattieja: depends on activity of your system |
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| 19:50.29 | xoz | pattieja: install also a security audit to check the changes made in your filesystem |
| 19:50.52 | pattieja | xoz, I've been using tripwire |
| 19:50.54 | loocek | Trewas: oh...You mean I must download this film to my computer ? |
| 19:51.44 | xoz | pattieja: what about tinyhoneypot to lure your attacker? |
| 19:51.46 | pattieja | xoz, since no binaries or libraries seem to have been modified, I didn't notice anything, specifically, also, since tripwire is not set to look at /tmp |
| 19:52.23 | wOOt | pattieja, u checked the host with nessus also? |
| 19:52.27 | pattieja | xoz, does it need to run on a different IP address? |
| 19:52.32 | pattieja | wOOt, no |
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| 19:52.52 | Trewas | loocek: I'm afraid so unless you are patient enough to watch it without needing to fast-forward :) |
| 19:52.58 | pattieja | our colo provider forbids those kinds of scans, even to our own box |
| 19:53.02 | error403 | Does anybody here know how to get secure CVS (using :ext:) to work on a port other than 22? |
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| 19:53.27 | pattieja | error403, I assume that would take causing your SSH daemon to listen on a different port |
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| 19:54.02 | error403 | pattieja, thats not the issue - the issue is getting cvs to try and connect to a port other than 22 |
| 19:54.10 | loocek | Trewas: I'm no patient :), I want to forward... |
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| 19:54.20 | error403 | SSH is set up with a port on the outside being forwarded to 22 on my server |
| 19:54.30 | wOOt | xoz, u need another machine for running tinyhoneypot rigth? |
| 19:54.41 | error403 | i need to get it to try to connect via the external port number... |
| 19:54.43 | error403 | >.< |
| 19:54.44 | pattieja | error403, CVS_RSH="ssh -p 2222" |
| 19:54.54 | error403 | pattieja, AHA! thank you! |
| 19:55.01 | pattieja | np |
| 19:55.05 | error403 | pattieja, if you were here right now, i would hug you |
| 19:55.13 | pattieja | uhhh.... |
| 19:55.17 | error403 | i have been trying to work something that simple out for about a month :P |
| 19:55.25 | xoz | error403: port forwarding using ssh? |
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| 19:55.28 | error403 | i dont know why that didnt occur to me... |
| 19:55.52 | error403 | xoz, no... custom firewall, non-standard external port forwarded to 22 on the inside... |
| 19:56.04 | error403 | just need to be able to use :ext: from outside |
| 19:56.08 | error403 | thanks pattieja |
| 19:56.31 | pattieja | stew, here we go! |
| 19:56.40 | pattieja | Oct 27 14:48:47 kramer snoopy[30814]: [(null), uid:33 sid:5011]: date +%Z |
| 19:56.40 | pattieja | Oct 27 14:49:03 kramer snoopy[30818]: [(null), uid:33 sid:5011]: date +%Z |
| 19:56.45 | pattieja | what does that mean!? |
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| 19:56.51 | pattieja | uid 33 == www-data |
| 19:56.52 | pokaone | blya fuck |
| 19:57.14 | pattieja | what's the sid? |
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| 19:57.30 | zinx | pattieja: session-id |
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| 19:58.09 | curso01 | vaya mierda de linux sois todos unos ubuntus de cuidado |
| 19:58.19 | RichiH | !es |
| 19:58.19 | badgers | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:58.32 | RichiH | !pt |
| 19:58.33 | badgers | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 19:58.38 | RichiH | just to be safe :p |
| 19:58.50 | xoz | wOOt: pattieja, no need for separate ip but your actual services will be masked by tinyhoneypot dummy services |
| 19:59.18 | xoz | and transactions will be recorded in detail |
| 19:59.24 | wOOt | xophEr, ohh ok i understand! thx |
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| 20:00.11 | wOOt | opss wrong nick lol |
| 20:00.18 | pattieja | xoz, does that allow the original services to continue working as normal, just kind of like through a filter? |
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| 20:01.54 | bayer | i have a stupid question, but what's the default kernel in debian woody? |
| 20:02.03 | dli | can I have an address bar (so I can type in) in nautilus? |
| 20:02.20 | dli | bayer, why not sarge? |
| 20:02.30 | bayer | its not me who wants to know |
| 20:02.54 | dli | bayer, I remember it was 2.4.18 |
| 20:03.02 | xoz | pattieja: you want your attacker to connect to the real port which is now masked by tinypot...you have to move to another port for the actual services but it won't make sense because you want all to think you are running normal services. |
| 20:03.19 | bayer | thx dli |
| 20:03.24 | chealer | bayer, 2.2, exact version depends on arch |
| 20:04.01 | hytt | bf24 |
| 20:04.04 | hytt | :D |
| 20:04.11 | bayer | say i386? |
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| 20:04.47 | hytt | the both was on it |
| 20:04.50 | Snoz | hi there |
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| 20:05.01 | Snoz | could somebody help me about my firmware.agent which doesn't appear when I'm running hotplug? |
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| 20:06.43 | wOOt | xoz, so honeypot fordwards the connections from the real port to the new port of the service? |
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| 20:09.39 | nimak | how can i get rid of the icons on my gnome desktop, like "Computer" and "nima's Home" |
| 20:10.06 | MrPrimate | stew, sox seems nice, hard to figure out how to use though! |
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| 20:10.15 | Vivaldi | hello |
| 20:10.32 | stew | MrPrimate: you just want to downsample 44.1 to 8khz? |
| 20:10.36 | Vivaldi | is there a game like pictionary available trough java applet? |
| 20:10.48 | MrPrimate | stew: yes I want to get the smallest wav file I can from a 44.1khz sound |
| 20:11.03 | MrPrimate | stew: I tried -r 8000 option first, now I am looking at the resample in 'man sox' |
| 20:11.16 | silas- | Vivaldi: Ever hear of google? |
| 20:11.18 | stew | MrPrimate: hang on lemme check my scripts |
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| 20:11.59 | stew | MrPrimate: sox infile -r 8000 -b outfile |
| 20:12.13 | stew | MrPrimate: the -b will also make it 8 bit, replace with -w for 16 bit |
| 20:12.31 | MrPrimate | stew, works like magic |
| 20:12.41 | Vivaldi | silas-, i do not where to start from the zillions of results given by google |
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| 20:13.25 | MrPrimate | stew, the help is very much appreciated... it could have taken me forever to find sox :) |
| 20:13.27 | pattieja | xoz, right, and I only have one IP address. |
| 20:13.27 | stew | MrPrimate: sox is really great, i've been using it a lot for doing stuff like automatic looping and fading in and out and stuff too |
| 20:14.01 | silas- | Vivaldi: Funny, searching for "java pictionary applet" retuns nothing but links to... *ghasp* java pictionary applets. |
| 20:14.06 | MrPrimate | stew, it doesn't happen to have a way to export to mp3 does it ? |
| 20:14.12 | stew | MrPrimate: no, use lame for that |
| 20:14.27 | stew | MrPrimate: which isn't in debian becuase of patent issues, /msg dpkg marillat |
| 20:14.53 | MrPrimate | stew, yeah, I've got lame (compiled myself because I couldn't find it) |
| 20:14.54 | stew | MrPrimate: oh, actually looking at the sox docs it might |
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| 20:15.09 | MrPrimate | I was hoping 8khz wav might be small enough but they still seem too big |
| 20:15.26 | MrPrimate | i need tiny audio samples for an app that must be small |
| 20:15.30 | stew | MrPrimate: it must rely on lame or something though, since we cannot have mp3 authoring tools in debian |
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| 20:15.42 | nimak | does anyone know? |
| 20:15.44 | MrPrimate | sox man page does mention mp3 |
| 20:16.03 | MrPrimate | they said that it requires libmad and libmp3lame |
| 20:16.05 | stew | MrPrimate: it might be that the sox version has the mp3 functionality ripped out |
| 20:16.07 | stew | ahh |
| 20:16.08 | stew | ok |
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| 20:17.37 | Punko | hi everybody |
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| 20:17.50 | Punko | i have a problem with the mic |
| 20:18.03 | Punko | it is on max |
| 20:18.05 | Punko | on the volume |
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| 20:18.11 | MrPrimate | stew, my version supports mp3 read, but not write |
| 20:18.12 | Punko | but noone can me hear |
| 20:18.34 | Sepero | QUESTION: If I wanna fill a file full of zero's, I use dd if=/dev/zero. How could I fill a file full of one's? |
| 20:18.40 | stew | MrPrimate: yeah mp3 readers don't have patent problems, just mp3 authoring |
| 20:18.59 | MrPrimate | stew, I might try to use ogg if I can get a small enough decoder |
| 20:19.44 | valdyn | Sepero: while true; do echo -n "1" >> file; done |
| 20:20.05 | valdyn | Sepero: that might be quite slow though |
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| 20:20.13 | stew | you could use /dev/random and hope you get REALLY lucky |
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| 20:20.43 | Sepero | valdyn: Good call, but I want binary 1's. |
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| 20:21.42 | MrPrimate | wow, ogg format is awesome |
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| 20:22.07 | Mr-R | Sepero: why would you want to do that? (filling a file with ones) :) |
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| 20:22.11 | peterS | Sepero: hmmm. perl -e 'while (1) { print chr(255)x1024 }' |
| 20:22.36 | Sepero | Mr-R: To test if a floppy disk is still good. |
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| 20:22.51 | Sepero | Thanks peterS |
| 20:22.53 | licued2 | hrmm |
| 20:22.57 | licued2 | isn't that lowlevel stuff? |
| 20:23.10 | peterS | much slower version in shell: while :; do echo -e '\377'; done |
| 20:23.11 | licued2 | didn't know that could be done in perl :P |
| 20:23.11 | Sepero | Good ol' scripting to the rescue. :) |
| 20:23.12 | valdyn | man badblocks |
| 20:23.15 | peterS | I mean echo -ne |
| 20:23.18 | Sepero | I think I'll use Python instead though. |
| 20:23.31 | peterS | hey, have it your way. it's a one-liner either way, I guess |
| 20:23.58 | Sepero | I appreciate it PeterS |
| 20:24.00 | peterS | np |
| 20:24.17 | Mr-R | Sepero: i am not sure, if you could use testdisk. |
| 20:24.25 | Sepero | valdyn: Oh, yeah I forgot about that. >:O |
| 20:25.01 | Sepero | At least one of them should work! :) |
| 20:25.10 | Sepero | Thanks everyone. |
| 20:25.24 | eeyore- | peterS: is there a way to type in character 255 in console, with some compose key maybe? |
| 20:25.35 | eeyore- | peterS: cuz then you could just use "yes" :-) |
| 20:25.59 | peterS | eeyore-: like this? yes $(echo -ne "\377") |
| 20:26.03 | peterS | eeyore-: but yes puts newlines in everywhere |
| 20:26.11 | eeyore- | hmm |
| 20:26.49 | Elly | how the heck do you eject a CD =\ |
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| 20:26.57 | eeyore- | Elly: just "eject" |
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| 20:27.23 | Elly | that errors |
| 20:27.30 | Elly | eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument |
| 20:27.31 | eeyore- | Elly: cd out of the directory first |
| 20:27.31 | Sepero | Elly: umount -l /mnt/cdrom |
| 20:27.41 | InitMass | is it possible to run .bat files in wine? |
| 20:27.45 | Elly | it's not mounted |
| 20:27.48 | Elly | it just won't eject |
| 20:28.02 | valdyn | Elly: what kind of cdrom is it? |
| 20:28.05 | eeyore- | Elly: take a paperclip, straighten it out, push in to the manual eject hole ... |
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| 20:28.17 | Elly | oh...huh |
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| 20:28.24 | stew | Elly: eject /dev/cdrom? |
| 20:28.26 | Elly | I did lsof, and there were no filehandles open to it |
| 20:28.31 | stew | or /dev/whatever |
| 20:28.37 | Elly | but I did ps aux, and I had an mplayer that had died playing on it =\ |
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| 20:29.11 | chealer | bayer, 2.2.20 |
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| 20:29.23 | valdyn | Elly: it probably hasnt 'died', just try killing that process ( not with -9 ) |
| 20:29.37 | Sepero | Elly: take a paperclip, straighten it out, push in to the manual eject hole ... |
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| 20:29.45 | Elly | well |
| 20:29.49 | Elly | I did kill it |
| 20:29.51 | Elly | and then eject worked |
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| 20:30.26 | abrotman | that was the worst advice ever |
| 20:30.33 | eeyore- | abrotman: what was? |
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| 20:30.35 | valdyn | Elly: mplayer will not exit if you just close the playback window, or something like that |
| 20:30.37 | eeyore- | abrotman: paperclip? |
| 20:30.39 | abrotman | eeyore-: yes |
| 20:30.42 | Elly | that's stupid =\ |
| 20:30.43 | abrotman | eeyore-: go with Gnea!!! |
| 20:30.54 | eeyore- | abrotman: well, i assume he was correct when he said nothing was using the cdrom |
| 20:30.54 | abrotman | eeyore-: he said he has 4x4! |
| 20:31.09 | eeyore- | abrotman: if i can't rely on users being correct (ha!) then what could i rely on? :-) |
| 20:31.12 | abrotman | eeyore-: does fuser/lsof handle symlinks ? |
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| 20:31.32 | abrotman | as in ... fuser /dev/cdrom .. will that work the same as fuser /dev/hdc ? |
| 20:31.51 | abrotman | dpkg totally died eh ? |
| 20:31.58 | eeyore- | abrotman: has he done white tank mountains before? i think the guys want to do firebird, and that's 4/5 and lockers required |
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| 20:32.19 | abrotman | eeyore-: he's not lived there long .. and he said he's not gone yet since moving |
| 20:32.27 | waverack | Hi, is there a way to get Win32 codecs on AMD64? |
| 20:32.31 | SuperPhly | Hey guys, I am having a dependency issue: python2.3-dev: Depends: python2.3 (= 2.3.5-3sarge1) but 2.3.5-8 is to be installed |
| 20:32.35 | abrotman | waverack: pure64 ? |
| 20:32.44 | Baeaeken | So, this is my problem: the key altgr works, but I can't get those bloody algr+bla bla bla, work on my keyboard (swedish), for example "at". |
| 20:32.47 | SuperPhly | i'm running sarge on this box |
| 20:32.48 | Baeaeken | Solution, anyone? |
| 20:33.03 | abrotman | !info python2.3 etch |
| 20:33.06 | waverack | abrotman, yeah |
| 20:33.14 | abrotman | waverack: ask #debian-amd64 .. but i seriously doubt it |
| 20:33.30 | badgers | python2.3: (An interactive high-level object-oriented language (version 2.3)), section python, is standard. Version: 2.3.5-8 (etch), Packaged size: 2752 kB, Installed size: 9296 kB |
| 20:33.39 | abrotman | SuperPhly: welcome to debian/testing |
| 20:33.41 | valdyn | waverack: you can run 32-bit mplayer on an amd64 system, but you cannot use w32 codecs with amd64 mplayer |
| 20:33.48 | SuperPhly | abrotman: i'm not using testing...i'm on stable |
| 20:33.50 | SuperPhly | i'm sorry... |
| 20:33.57 | abrotman | SuperPhly: yes you are :) |
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| 20:34.18 | waverack | abrotman, well they used to say no because Windows XP wasn't 64-bit, but now there is a 64-bit Windows, so I thought maybe they had been able to reverse engineer the codecs with that. |
| 20:34.20 | SuperPhly | deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ stable main |
| 20:34.30 | SuperPhly | deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ stable main |
| 20:34.30 | abrotman | SuperPhly: some how .. you got parts of etch |
| 20:34.38 | SuperPhly | can i roll back? |
| 20:34.44 | abrotman | waverack: yeah .. but marillat is the one that packages it |
| 20:34.50 | abrotman | SuperPhly: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 20:35.08 | SuperPhly | ii libc6 2.3.5-6 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
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| 20:35.13 | smitty | anyone had success with automounting USB flash drives under debian with 2.6 kernel? |
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| 20:35.18 | waverack | valdyn, I'm not really interested in doing a 32-bit chroot. Can I run a 32-bit program in 32-bit mode without doing that? chroot takes up too much space ;( |
| 20:35.24 | abrotman | !info libc6 sarge |
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| 20:35.45 | badgers | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22 (sarge), Packaged size: 4784 kB, Installed size: 15548 kB |
| 20:35.50 | abrotman | SuperPhly: see this ^^ .. you're not ruunning sarge anymore |
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| 20:35.57 | valdyn | waverack: you could, but that doesnt take much less space |
| 20:35.58 | SuperPhly | abrotman: wth? |
| 20:36.01 | Punko | hi, can somebody tell me how to make the mic boost work on my system ? i`m with alsa -:) |
| 20:36.09 | SuperPhly | ohhhh crap! |
| 20:36.11 | Zvpun | where can I ask questions about curses? |
| 20:36.15 | abrotman | SuperPhly: dunno .. not my box .. i'm just telling you what you have running :) |
| 20:36.31 | SuperPhly | abrotman: i used the business card disk to install the OS |
| 20:36.44 | abrotman | SuperPhly: and ? |
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| 20:36.55 | Estes | What's a good tool to convert a whole cd or only some parts of a cd to mp3 ? i run gnome and a nice GUI wouldn't be bad even though it's optionnal... |
| 20:37.03 | Martial | Punko : verify the level with alsamixer |
| 20:37.03 | SuperPhly | i guess it installs etch, instead of "stable" like i wanted |
| 20:37.05 | abrotman | SuperPhly: i've only used the netinst .. are you sure you used the sarge BC .. and not the testing one ? |
| 20:37.19 | abrotman | SuperPhly: do you *need* to be on sarge? or is this a owrkstation ? |
| 20:37.22 | SuperPhly | i used a "daily" one |
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| 20:37.29 | Fox_1_ | hi |
| 20:37.31 | SuperPhly | this is a production server |
| 20:37.32 | valdyn | Estes: sound-juicer is even part of gnome i think.. |
| 20:37.34 | waverack | abrotman, why would marillat packaging them keep them from existing? valdyn, how do I do that without a chroot? I've install ia32-libs. And I used a chroot once but it didn't work very well. |
| 20:37.35 | Punko | Martial its on the highest level |
| 20:37.36 | abrotman | SuperPhly: hence .. you got etch .. |
| 20:37.39 | Punko | thats not the problem |
| 20:37.44 | Punko | i cant turn on the mic boost |
| 20:37.46 | SuperPhly | abrotman: no roll back? |
| 20:37.46 | abrotman | waverack: maybe he does'nt care about amd64 ? :) |
| 20:37.52 | abrotman | SuperPhly: not for something liekt hat |
| 20:37.55 | Punko | and i hear my voice very low |
| 20:38.04 | Estes | valdyn, thanks, i'll have a look at this |
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| 20:38.09 | Martial | Punko what is your client soft ? |
| 20:38.20 | Punko | Martial i talk for skype |
| 20:38.26 | Punko | but i test it so |
| 20:38.38 | Punko | on the alsamixer is on the highest - the mic |
| 20:38.42 | Punko | volume |
| 20:38.44 | SuperPhly | abrotman: so what do you suggest i do? |
| 20:38.55 | abrotman | SuperPhly: use the correct installer ? |
| 20:38.55 | SuperPhly | abrotman: a reinstall is *sigh* an option |
| 20:39.06 | SuperPhly | abrotman: there's no "correct installer" with support for my hardware :( |
| 20:39.07 | abrotman | SuperPhly: well .. if you want stable/sarge .. it's the only option :) |
| 20:39.10 | smitty | http://www.debianhelp.org/Article3529.html |
| 20:39.12 | abrotman | SuperPhly: which is ? |
| 20:39.19 | abrotman | SuperPhly: you need a newer kernel ? |
| 20:39.23 | Estes | valdyn, great, exactly what i was looking for |
| 20:39.24 | smitty | seems to be one way to do automounting |
| 20:39.27 | SuperPhly | yeah, a 2.6.12+ |
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| 20:39.33 | Estes | valdyn, anything similar for dvd's ? |
| 20:39.34 | Martial | Punko : Test with audacity software to see if someting is coming in (waves) |
| 20:39.35 | Fox_1_ | listen i need software which count all my outgoing packages. somethink like utm, mrtg, lan billing ... , but free |
| 20:39.37 | smitty | anyone tried it or know of a better way? |
| 20:39.40 | abrotman | SuperPhly: if you give me a bit .. i might be able to find it |
| 20:39.50 | valdyn | waverack: you manually grab the i386 debian packages and extract them into /emul/, its silly, a full chroot is far easier to maintain |
| 20:39.50 | abrotman | Gnea: wake up! |
| 20:39.51 | Punko | Martial i hear my voice - but its too low |
| 20:39.55 | SuperPhly | abrotman: awesome... beacuse this royally sucks... i've configurd this box quite a bit :( |
| 20:39.59 | Punko | the mic works but its too low |
| 20:40.05 | elephantman_is_m | Hi all - |
| 20:40.06 | valdyn | waverack: i386 debian library packages even |
| 20:40.07 | Punko | and the mic boost is off - thats on the alsamixer |
| 20:40.20 | abrotman | SuperPhly: /msg badgers sarge 2.6.12 .. And it's completely unsupported afaik |
| 20:40.20 | Fox_1_ | any ideas? |
| 20:40.33 | abrotman | SuperPhly: supposedly the sarge installer with a 2.6.12 kernel |
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| 20:40.39 | Martial | Punko : OK. Is your mike OK ? |
| 20:40.40 | elephantman_is_m | what happens if a system stores his characters using UTF-8 and the database stores it in ISO ? |
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| 20:40.58 | Punko | Martial yes, on other machines works ok |
| 20:41.03 | Punko | on the windows i have mic boost |
| 20:41.06 | stew | Punko: does it record low with other programs? like sound-recorder? |
| 20:41.07 | valdyn | Estes: various things from marillat's repository, acidrip, dvdrip etc. |
| 20:41.08 | elephantman_is_m | It it totally independant ? Or does all the system has to be charset consistent ? |
| 20:41.08 | abrotman | SuperPhly: and make sure you read his notes |
| 20:41.10 | ^chewie | anyone having luck running uml on sarge (w/the uml tools from unstable?) |
| 20:41.12 | Punko | but on the linux i cant turn it on |
| 20:41.20 | Punko | stew yes it works :0 |
| 20:41.23 | Punko | i said that |
| 20:41.25 | abrotman | SuperPhly: the 2.6.12 kernels that he's talking about are now in etch .. you can get them manually |
| 20:41.28 | stew | Punko: so its a skype problem? |
| 20:41.30 | Martial | Punko : Did you test your sound card like entry ? |
| 20:41.39 | Punko | stew nope, everything is a problem |
| 20:41.48 | SuperPhly | abrotman: yeah, but then i have to recreate the netinstall iso |
| 20:41.51 | Punko | the volume is just too low |
| 20:41.56 | otroean | Hi. I'm going to buy a Sata controller. Is Promise a card that works with linux? |
| 20:42.00 | Punko | Martial yes it works too |
| 20:42.03 | Estes | valdyn, ok, thanks |
| 20:42.05 | ^chewie | rootstrap fails when trying to run debootstrap |
| 20:42.09 | Punko | its from the goddamn mixer ! |
| 20:42.11 | stew | Punko: so when you say "it works" you mean "it records sound too low in other programs"? odd |
| 20:42.18 | ^chewie | which I assume means that the network isn't quite set up correctly |
| 20:42.24 | otroean | Tried to search on google but can't find anything about it... |
| 20:42.24 | Punko | stew it works best on the windows -;) |
| 20:42.33 | Punko | i can not believe it will not work on the linux -;) |
| 20:42.51 | Punko | and i hear my voice. |
| 20:42.52 | SuperPhly | abrotman: i plan on recompiling the kernel as soon as i get the system up and running... |
| 20:42.54 | abrotman | SuperPhly: huh ? |
| 20:42.54 | Punko | but too low |
| 20:42.55 | Martial | Of course ! |
| 20:43.05 | stew | Punko: are you using alsa? |
| 20:43.06 | abrotman | SuperPhly: that's fine then .. use that iso to get it running .. then do your own kernel |
| 20:43.09 | valdyn | otroean: promise is a company, its not limited to producing one device, not even one controller |
| 20:43.10 | Punko | so tell me how to turn on my mic boost |
| 20:43.12 | stew | Punko: why can't you turn on mic boost? |
| 20:43.14 | Punko | thats my question |
| 20:43.17 | yam | anyone around has a Promise FT100 TX4 running? :) |
| 20:43.19 | Punko | i dont no... |
| 20:43.22 | stew | Punko: alsamixer, go to mic boost, and hit m |
| 20:43.27 | Ungy | Punko skype is beta on linux |
| 20:43.27 | Punko | if i knew it i wouldnt ask ! |
| 20:43.27 | abrotman | wtf .. is stew doing a three stoodges skit ? |
| 20:43.34 | SuperPhly | abrotman: i just need to get a netinstall of stable that will see my scsi card... 39320 adaptec |
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| 20:43.35 | Punko | stew its MM |
| 20:43.40 | Punko | and it wont change it |
| 20:43.42 | stew | Punko: hit m |
| 20:43.57 | abrotman | SuperPhly: did oyu look at that url ? http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/09/02#d-i-2612 ? |
| 20:43.59 | stew | Punko: what sound card? |
| 20:44.02 | Punko | stew i didnt knew it was with m |
| 20:44.04 | Punko | hihiihihihi |
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| 20:44.08 | SuperPhly | abrotman: yeah, i'm on it... sorry... |
| 20:44.13 | Punko | thanks all -:) |
| 20:44.13 | Martial | Punko : It could be a problem of output ... |
| 20:44.14 | otroean | valdyn, Do you know any sites that list supported sata controllers? |
| 20:44.17 | yam | there's no way to make work a promise tx4 on kernel 2.6 |
| 20:44.20 | yam | ? |
| 20:44.23 | Punko | Martial i solve it |
| 20:44.23 | abrotman | SuperPhly: that is the sarge installer with a 2.6.12 .. |
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| 20:44.31 | abrotman | SuperPhly: use that .. get it up .. then compile your own |
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| 20:45.08 | valdyn | otroean: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
| 20:45.11 | SuperPhly | abrotman: rock. thanks. |
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| 20:45.11 | Punko | i will ask another thing |
| 20:45.18 | otroean | valdyn, thnx |
| 20:45.30 | abrotman | SuperPhly: hopefully it works |
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| 20:45.38 | abrotman | SuperPhly: are you .. from philly ? |
| 20:45.45 | tarvid | how do i make the default shell for new users /bin/false? |
| 20:45.56 | valdyn | otroean: you want to ask your vendor too though, chipsets being supported helps you nothing if they make an insignificant modification that makes the PCI ID unknown to your kernel |
| 20:45.57 | Martial | Is there sombody using Debian / Linux on Alpha ? |
| 20:46.14 | Punko | how can i make my alsa work with 2 and more devices |
| 20:46.27 | abrotman | Martial: yes |
| 20:46.29 | valdyn | otroean: thats quite easy to patch, but you probably dont want or cant do that... |
| 20:46.37 | abrotman | Martial: not with X though ... |
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| 20:49.26 | SuperPhly | abrotman: nope, central texas |
| 20:49.44 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 20:49.44 | stew | Punko: use alsaconf to setup another device then you could do stuff like alsamixer -c1 to get to the second card, or google for asoundrc |
| 20:49.46 | SuperPhly | SuperFly is how you spell my name |
| 20:49.49 | SuperPhly | err say |
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| 20:49.55 | otroean | valdyn, thnx... I'll check with them and try from there... |
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| 20:49.59 | botein | hi |
| 20:50.12 | Punko | stew ok i`ll see -:) |
| 20:50.14 | Punko | thanks |
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| 20:51.22 | eeyore- | SuperPhly: not "superpotentialofhydrogenly"? |
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| 20:51.48 | SuperPhly | no, definately |
| 20:51.51 | botein | I upgraded my machines to sarge some days ago but I got problems with ssh and afs tokens. Is somebody here who had a similar problem? |
| 20:52.03 | SuperPhly | so, sarge is the stable version |
| 20:52.12 | stew | SuperPhly: yes, currently |
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| 20:53.15 | Roch | hello |
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| 20:54.13 | Roch | I use ogg123 to play music and aumix to set the volume. but the least positive volume I can set with aumix is already too loud... how can I get a finer control over the volume ? |
| 20:54.57 | stew | Roch: are you using alsa or oss? |
| 20:55.18 | eeyore- | Roch: alsamixer, adjust either/both PCM and "master" volumes |
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| 20:55.47 | Roch | stew, ogg123 uses the oss output, I dunno whether I could use alsa |
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| 20:56.29 | stew | Roch: does "lsmod | grep -c snd" return a number greater than 0? |
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| 20:57.07 | Roch | yes |
| 20:57.08 | botein | @Roch oss is emulated by alsa if you do not use plain oss. you don't do that? |
| 20:57.09 | stew | Roch: then you are using alsa use alsamixer |
| 20:57.09 | ravenbird | botein: okay |
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| 20:57.26 | stew | @forget Roch oss |
| 20:57.26 | ravenbird | stew: i didn't have anything called 'roch oss' to forget |
| 20:57.42 | Roch | ok I'm downloading alsautils |
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| 20:58.38 | CosmoDad | while at the alsa/oss emulation topic, does it mean that any oss stream will be played through alsa? |
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| 20:58.58 | CosmoDad | I'm asking cause I couldn't make skype work without holding the /dev/dsp device.. |
| 20:59.09 | Roch | umm, that's strange. now, with alsamixer, even when I set all volumes to 0, it's still too loud... (but if I mute them then the sound does stop) |
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| 20:59.35 | CosmoDad | if alsa emulated oss, it should be possible to listen to any combination of oss-/alsa-streams using dmixing shouldn't it? |
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| 20:59.46 | CosmoDad | (simultaneously, that is) |
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| 21:00.18 | petemc | CosmoDad: you might think so, in reality this isnt tthe case, ive found dmix to be hit and miss |
| 21:00.29 | tarzeau | RichiH: is /whois broke on freenode? |
| 21:00.33 | smitty | cheers all |
| 21:00.49 | treyh0 | oh no |
| 21:00.52 | treyh0 | where is dpkg :( |
| 21:00.53 | petemc | tarzeau: doesnt seem to be |
| 21:00.53 | CosmoDad | petemc: same here though I've finally found a asound.rc file that works perfect on ALSA streams |
| 21:01.03 | CosmoDad | petemc: OSS emulation is what's bugging me |
| 21:01.14 | CosmoDad | asound.conf even.. |
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| 21:01.52 | simy | hiyas! |
| 21:02.43 | simy | so apparently the kernel image 2.6.8 isnt around anymore.... |
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| 21:02.56 | Mr_Abr | help me please!!! |
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| 21:03.59 | Roch | so, isn't there a way to pipe the output of ogg123 to something that controls the volume or something ? an alsa stream perhaps ? |
| 21:04.06 | thecoolestcow | got a question about flashdrives. i formatted the drive with windows as FAT32, and linux cannot write to it. is there anything i can do to allow both linux and windows to read and write to it? |
| 21:04.09 | tarzeau | petemc: haha it came, seconds if not minutes later |
| 21:04.23 | tarzeau | petemc: like if it was a person reading these commands and writing down the answers manually, heh |
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| 21:05.11 | hever | How could I reconfigure exim ? dpkg-reconfigure or how was the command ? |
| 21:05.24 | Nick_Hill | thecoolestcow: Linux can read/write to fat32. |
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| 21:06.31 | briend | thecoolestcow: run modconf and load the fat modules, etc. |
| 21:06.31 | thecoolestcow | Nick_Hill: any idea why it says my flash drive is read only? |
| 21:06.32 | Martial | Is there a guy running debian on alpha |
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| 21:07.05 | thecoolestcow | briend: whats modconf? |
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| 21:07.20 | Nick_Hill | thecoolestcow: How do you mount the flash dribe? |
| 21:07.22 | briend | thecoolestcow: a gui for loading modules-- but you apparently have the modules loaded |
| 21:07.26 | abrotman | Martial: YES ME .. i told you that a while ago |
| 21:07.33 | tarzeau | linux can even create fat32, larger than windows can create |
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| 21:07.39 | abrotman | hever: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 21:07.40 | tarzeau | Martial: yes |
| 21:07.43 | thecoolestcow | Nick_Hill: probably the wrong way: /dev/sda/mnt/usb/vfatro,umask=00000 |
| 21:07.48 | foo | What is the name of the nfs server? nfs-user-server ? |
| 21:07.50 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 21:07.51 | badgers | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. |
| 21:08.01 | briend | thecoolestcow: the ro means readonly :-D |
| 21:08.03 | Martial | abrotman : OK sorry. I've a problem installing a NIC |
| 21:08.04 | tarzeau | foo: nfs-kernel-server |
| 21:08.10 | tarzeau | Martial: which? |
| 21:08.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: what alpha do you run? |
| 21:08.16 | abrotman | Martial: define problems .. all my NICs are DEC |
| 21:08.17 | Nick_Hill | thecoolestcow: You are using ro in the mount command |
| 21:08.19 | thecoolestcow | briend: hehe i'm dumb |
| 21:08.20 | tarzeau | abrotman: and do you run popcon on it? |
| 21:08.20 | foo | tarzeau: ah, thanks |
| 21:08.24 | Nick_Hill | thecoolestcow: change ro to rw |
| 21:08.36 | abrotman | tarzeau: i have three AlphaStation 200 4/233 here |
| 21:08.37 | Nick_Hill | thecoolestcow: ro=readonly rw=read/write |
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| 21:08.41 | thecoolestcow | briend: linux can't write to NTFS though, right? |
| 21:08.49 | abrotman | tarzeau: not sure .. guess i should .. one is a router .. other is dns |
| 21:08.52 | Martial | The server don't see it when typing the show dev command |
| 21:09.09 | briend | thecoolestcow: that's a can of worms... you can w/ the ntfs.dll pulled from some MS service pack, but I wouldn't recommend it |
| 21:09.14 | tarzeau | thecoolestcow: it can |
| 21:09.25 | tarzeau | thecoolestcow: but i never did on sparc64/linux ... |
| 21:09.28 | sumar | who can help me? |
| 21:09.40 | tarzeau | thecoolestcow: and once i did, it didn't work anymore -- haha it' was funny (and not mine) |
| 21:09.53 | abrotman | Martial: are you sure the NIC works ? |
| 21:09.59 | thecoolestcow | tarzeau: hehe. |
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| 21:10.24 | Martial | abrotman : Yes they are running on different machine (alpha or i386) |
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| 21:10.46 | thecoolestcow | another question. in windows, one must "safely remove" the drive and eject it. does one have to do so in linux? if so, how? |
| 21:11.00 | abrotman | Martial: tried another slot ? |
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| 21:11.15 | abrotman | tarzeau: there are you happy .. running popcon now! |
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| 21:11.36 | Martial | abrotman : same thing. |
| 21:11.37 | tarzeau | abrotman: on all three? yes i'm happy |
| 21:11.53 | abrotman | tarzeau: one is sitting behind me .. i haven't flashed the bios to get the one that i actually know how to use |
| 21:13.27 | Nick_Hill | thecoolestcow, Unmount first |
| 21:13.43 | thecoolestcow | Nick_Hill: i figured, but for some reason it wont let me umount |
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| 21:13.55 | thecoolestcow | Nick_Hill: it says its busy... but i dono whats using it |
| 21:14.01 | abrotman | Martial: and you have no other NICs to try? |
| 21:14.08 | Nick_Hill | thecoolestcow, Then something is holding a file or directory open on the pen drive. |
| 21:14.10 | simy | when you get the source to a kernel, is the .config file the same that the debian kernel image package has? |
| 21:14.32 | sumar | grsecurity can run as kernel module? |
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| 21:14.39 | thecoolestcow | Nick_Hill: nothing is using it... i closed konqueror and stuff. how can i figure it out? |
| 21:14.40 | Nick_Hill | thecoolestcow, For example, if you have nautilus, konqueror or command line showing contents of pen drive. |
| 21:14.48 | Nick_Hill | thecoolestcow, lsof |
| 21:15.04 | thecoolestcow | Nick_Hill: lsof... /mnt/usb??? |
| 21:15.11 | thecoolestcow | two too many ?s |
| 21:15.14 | Martial | abrotman : yes I tested with many. The only one which is running is an old 3C503. |
| 21:15.18 | Nick_Hill | thecoolestcow, You can tell kde to mount and unmount your pen drive. |
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| 21:15.34 | abrotman | Martial: and you don't use that one .. why? |
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| 21:15.41 | Nick_Hill | thecoolestcow, By putting a line in fstab, then richt click on desktop, create new ... |
| 21:15.45 | DonVincenzo | is somebody using mathcad under wine ? |
| 21:15.47 | abrotman | Martial: wait .. what kind of NIC is this ? |
| 21:15.52 | abrotman | DonVincenzo: #winehq ? |
| 21:15.59 | Martial | abrotman : 'cause it is 10 Mb and I need 100 |
| 21:16.07 | abrotman | Martial: what kind of nic is the one you're trying to use ? |
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| 21:16.10 | thecoolestcow | Nick_Hill: yeah i tried unmounting it with konqeuror |
| 21:16.13 | sumar | grsecurity can run as kernel module? |
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| 21:16.26 | thecoolestcow | Nick_Hill: same thing. lsof says that famd is using the directories. should i kill famd? |
| 21:16.34 | Nick_Hill | thecoolestcow, yes |
| 21:16.40 | Martial | aprotman : DE500 for example |
| 21:16.51 | thecoolestcow | Nick_Hill: any reason why it was using it? |
| 21:16.59 | Martial | phakso : bonsoir |
| 21:17.13 | Nick_Hill | thecoolestcow, Famd often does that. I think it is related to nfs |
| 21:17.25 | P8ntKid | How do i stop something in my terminal? Like. I do a command and it doesn exec it but it but it doesnt give me a name@debian:~$ thing again? |
| 21:17.29 | phakso | Martial, comment ça va ? |
| 21:17.29 | sumar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.41 | thecoolestcow | Nick_Hill: great. now kdeinst is using it. shall i kill that too? |
| 21:17.46 | sumar | P8ntKid: CTRL+C |
| 21:17.56 | Martial | phakso : Bien et toi ? |
| 21:18.15 | P8ntKid | sumar: Thank you. |
| 21:18.32 | Nick_Hill | thecoolestcow, I suppose |
| 21:18.35 | dkowis | perhaps a dumb question, but how do I get the colors back in my ls listing? |
| 21:18.37 | abrotman | !fr |
| 21:18.37 | badgers | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 21:18.42 | eeyore- | ah, learning about changes to input layer in 2.6 kernel :-) specifically old powermate code that's lying around doesn't deal with the new input_sync() convention properly |
| 21:18.44 | eeyore- | nifty |
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| 21:18.52 | stew | dkowis: alias ls='ls --color=auto' |
| 21:19.02 | dkowis | stew: yep dumb question, thanks ;) |
| 21:19.04 | stew | dkowis: put that into .bashrc or something |
| 21:19.09 | thecoolestcow | Nick_Hill: what can i add to fstab so that non-root can umount it? |
| 21:19.20 | dkowis | stew: yeah it comes in my sourcemage distro by default, and I forgot about that, thanks :) |
| 21:19.25 | Nick_Hill | thecoolestcow, If a user can mount, user can unmount. |
| 21:19.42 | thecoolestcow | Nick_Hill: ok then. how do i get a user to mount? |
| 21:20.01 | Nick_Hill | thecoolestcow, For example /dev/sda1 /mnt/pendrive vfat defaults,noauto,user 0 0 |
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| 21:20.09 | Martial | abrotman : do I need to update Firmware ? |
| 21:20.09 | Nick_Hill | thecoolestcow, in fstab |
| 21:20.13 | stew | dkowis: it comes in your debian distro by default too |
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| 21:20.27 | abrotman | Martial: perhaps .. sounds like tarzeau might know more |
| 21:20.28 | dkowis | stew: is there a package I'm missing then? |
| 21:20.53 | stew | dkowis: no, you probably wrote over your default .bashrc, look at /etc/skel/.bashrc |
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| 21:21.11 | dkowis | stew: I've not modified or done anything with it, yet... |
| 21:21.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: what alpha does the Martial have? |
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| 21:21.28 | hkais | hello |
| 21:21.33 | dkowis | stew, but I'll bet those were never copied to /root ... |
| 21:21.33 | abrotman | tarzeau: hasn't said |
| 21:21.36 | tarzeau | abrotman: mine's an alphaserver 1000a 5/400 |
| 21:21.39 | Nick_Hill | thecoolestcow, once you have a line LIKE that, you can tell konqueror to mount and unmount the drive. |
| 21:21.39 | stew | dkowis: then ~/.bashrc should be the same as /etc/skel/.bashrc |
| 21:21.47 | Martial | tarzeau : 264DP with 2 x EV6 @ 500 |
| 21:21.56 | tarzeau | Martial: AN SMP? |
| 21:21.58 | stew | dkowis: unless you did something like use useradd instead of adduser to create your account |
| 21:22.06 | hkais | i have big troubles with postfix under debian. anyone here who knows how to setup postfix/saslauthd/pam? |
| 21:22.06 | Martial | tarzeau : Yes |
| 21:22.08 | thecoolestcow | Nick_Hill: alright. thanks. |
| 21:22.18 | dkowis | stew: actually I'm logged in as root right now, so it's a different bashrc |
| 21:22.22 | dkowis | stew: thanks tho |
| 21:22.23 | abrotman | !fr |
| 21:22.24 | badgers | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 21:22.30 | tarzeau | Martial: what will the machine do? |
| 21:22.36 | kingsley_ | hkais: There may be a #postfix channel. |
| 21:22.40 | abrotman | there is |
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| 21:22.46 | abrotman | i told him that a while ago |
| 21:22.56 | tarzeau | i've put a tv card and 3 nics into mine, all worked fantastic |
| 21:22.57 | hkais | kingsley_: they sent me here! |
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| 21:23.10 | Martial | tarzeau : It doesn't see my new NIC when typing the show dev command at prompt |
| 21:23.21 | abrotman | hkais: you do hve the postfix-tls package .. right ? |
| 21:23.28 | hkais | yes |
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| 21:23.36 | tarzeau | Martial: and linux? lspci? |
| 21:23.41 | abrotman | well .. that's all the postfix sasl knowledge i ahve :) |
| 21:23.42 | tarzeau | Martial: another slot? |
| 21:23.53 | tarzeau | Martial: what nic is that exactly? |
| 21:24.00 | stew | hkais: do you have a /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf? |
| 21:24.06 | abrotman | tarzeau: he says other NICs work .. but no this one |
| 21:24.09 | kingsley_ | hkais: You may have to search the documentation and google's web and usenet archives for answers. |
| 21:24.14 | Martial | tarzeau : Nothinf with lspci and I try with another slot with same result |
| 21:24.21 | abrotman | i lied .. that's not all i know about postfix sasl .. |
| 21:24.22 | tarzeau | abrotman: does this nic work on any other system/other os? |
| 21:24.27 | SimonRaven | postfix plus the -tls one should be fine, since you'll want TLS if you do SASL LOGIN or PLAIN |
| 21:24.27 | hkais | stew: yes i have |
| 21:24.28 | abrotman | tarzeau: of coruse! :) |
| 21:24.39 | tarzeau | Martial: throw it away man, it's not even worth to type one sentence about it in here |
| 21:24.44 | abrotman | Martial: what is the NIC you're trying ? |
| 21:24.47 | hkais | it seems to be an problem with the chroot ennvironment of postfix |
| 21:24.49 | SimonRaven | (with the DIGEST-MD5 and CRAM-MD% it doesn't hurt either ;) |
| 21:24.56 | SimonRaven | s/%/5/ |
| 21:25.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: no no, WHO made that cursed fucking nic? |
| 21:25.16 | Martial | tarzeau : yes I tried my NIC with Linux on Alpha and I386 ... and W2K : They are OK |
| 21:25.22 | abrotman | tarzeau: <Martial> aprotman : DE500 for example |
| 21:25.35 | abrotman | fbi: you like that one ? |
| 21:25.55 | SimonRaven | hkais: you need to make sure all it can access stuff like dns, and saslauthd (if you use it) etc. |
| 21:26.07 | tarzeau | abrotman, Martial did you try to run hearse on your alpha? |
| 21:26.15 | fbi | abrotman: eh? |
| 21:26.16 | abrotman | me? |
| 21:26.20 | fbi | i wasn't paying attn |
| 21:26.20 | abrotman | fbi: see the line above that |
| 21:26.25 | fbi | haha! |
| 21:26.29 | SimonRaven | /var/spool/postifx |
| 21:26.36 | fbi | i like abortman better |
| 21:26.38 | Nick_Hill | pIf the nic doesn't show up on lspci, doesn't that mean a hardware incompatibility or failure? |
| 21:26.38 | abrotman | fbi: you should start keeping a log of the misspellings |
| 21:26.43 | fbi | hah. |
| 21:26.46 | abrotman | fbi: but i actually highlight on that one |
| 21:26.53 | Martial | tarzeau : Sorry ... what is "hearse" ? |
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| 21:27.01 | abrotman | it's a car .. they carry dead people in it |
| 21:27.03 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 21:27.04 | dpkg | hello, abrotman |
| 21:27.07 | tarzeau | Martial: a tool to exchange bones files for nethack |
| 21:27.08 | abrotman | sussudio: dpkg is back! |
| 21:27.11 | fbi | well don't feel bad, i have users spell 'fbi' wrong all time and it's only three characters. |
| 21:27.14 | abrotman | badgers: die! |
| 21:27.14 | sussudio | abrotman: goodie. |
| 21:27.14 | badgers | !lart abrotman |
| 21:27.20 | sussudio | badgers: hump dpkg |
| 21:27.20 | hkais | SimonRaven: i got it now runnig without chroot |
| 21:27.43 | abrotman | sussudio: thank you |
| 21:27.45 | abrotman | dpkg: wb |
| 21:27.46 | dpkg | thanks, abrotman. It's good to be back. |
| 21:28.00 | hkais | how to enable postfix in the chroot? |
| 21:28.46 | abrotman | !fr |
| 21:28.47 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 21:28.54 | tarzeau | !saddle |
| 21:29.11 | abrotman | wait .. he's looking for a date? |
| 21:29.25 | abrotman | phakso: moi ? |
| 21:29.37 | tarzeau | abrotman: he's asking for girls that listen to "house", asking them to msg him |
| 21:29.38 | abrotman | isn't he ? |
| 21:29.44 | phakso | yes i am |
| 21:29.54 | abrotman | phakso: you're in the wrong channel |
| 21:29.56 | tarzeau | just everybody say /msg phakso oui moi |
| 21:29.58 | phakso | oh shit |
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| 21:30.05 | phakso | sorry buddy |
| 21:30.12 | tarzeau | phakso: wrong channel, eh? |
| 21:30.17 | tarzeau | wrong network ever |
| 21:30.22 | abrotman | even |
| 21:30.27 | tarzeau | s,r,n,3 |
| 21:30.31 | phakso | escuse me, it's the hunting period here in paris :D lot ot chicks n parties |
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| 21:30.47 | tarzeau | phakso: hehe, thought that's in spring |
| 21:30.49 | thingfish | phakso: who is your favorite dj? |
| 21:31.06 | tarzeau | i hate house |
| 21:31.09 | SimonRaven | phakso: this isn't a pick-up channel |
| 21:31.13 | thingfish | I love it. |
| 21:31.14 | phakso | riccardo villalobosl |
| 21:31.22 | tarzeau | jazz anyone? |
| 21:31.30 | stew | tarzeau: a/s/l? |
| 21:31.33 | seemawn | i like jazz |
| 21:31.33 | thingfish | jazz is good. |
| 21:31.35 | fbi | people who listen to/spin house need to be run over by large trucks. repeatedly. |
| 21:31.36 | seemawn | art of music |
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| 21:31.52 | fbi | thingfish: acid jazz! |
| 21:31.56 | thingfish | likewise to you, fbi. |
| 21:32.03 | tarzeau | stew: i'd tell you if you were a longhaired blonde woman |
| 21:32.07 | phakso | thingfish, he s cool, and there is a good radio on itune, called housemusique |
| 21:32.13 | SimonRaven | phakso: STFU. go away |
| 21:32.22 | phakso | SimonRaven, i know dat :) only people with bears here arGGh ! lol |
| 21:32.24 | tarzeau | phakso: drugs? |
| 21:32.34 | phakso | SimonRaven, i love you |
| 21:32.37 | SimonRaven | /ig -replies phakso |
| 21:32.38 | fbi | wtf. |
| 21:32.59 | phakso | tarzeau, a good network for picking up chick is voila.fr |
| 21:33.00 | SimonRaven | it's not a fucking pick-up bar. sheesh |
| 21:33.05 | phakso | in paris i mean |
| 21:33.10 | Nick_Hill | Is it sunday morning already? |
| 21:33.16 | tarzeau | phakso: for switzerland, you can try irc.bluewin.ch |
| 21:33.30 | fbi | phakso: picking up 'chicks' on the internet is beyond stupid. go out and meet a girl, before you become impotent. |
| 21:33.31 | abrotman | phakso: please go |
| 21:33.34 | phakso | tarzeau, it's a good info, i'll put that on not pad thx dude |
| 21:33.37 | tarzeau | phakso: but really real life is easier, since you get what you see |
| 21:33.45 | SimonRaven | it isn't. came early |
| 21:33.53 | abrotman | SimonRaven: you always say that |
| 21:33.57 | fuzzix | You see what you may get, you don't always get what you see. |
| 21:34.02 | tarzeau | phakso: you in paris, using free.fr ? prices came down i heard |
| 21:34.14 | tarzeau | fuzzix: how true |
| 21:34.18 | fbi | fuzzix: that was extremely profound. |
| 21:34.22 | phakso | fbi, that what i have done today, in the shop, while i was with 2 girls, i picked up another very attractive women's number :D |
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| 21:34.30 | fbi | phakso: i don't care. |
| 21:34.32 | SimonRaven | said like a single person |
| 21:34.33 | abrotman | dude |
| 21:34.37 | phakso | it's was so... NICE ! |
| 21:34.39 | abrotman | phakso: please leave this channel |
| 21:34.43 | phakso | why ? |
| 21:34.47 | fuzzix | Yeah, I'm a regular Confucius. Not a special one, just a regular one. |
| 21:34.54 | phakso | can't we talk about humain relationship? |
| 21:34.56 | abrotman | because .. this is not the DatingShow.fr |
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| 21:35.10 | phakso | fbi, so why are you giving me advice ? lol |
| 21:35.12 | fbi | phasko: lots of chicks in #bearcave on EFnet. |
| 21:35.18 | abrotman | !ops phakso looking for a hot french date |
| 21:35.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: phakso looking for a hot french date |
| 21:35.41 | phakso | fbi, i hunt localhost only :D |
| 21:35.46 | dondelelcaro | phakso: that's totally OT here; please take it elsewhere. |
| 21:35.46 | fbi | *plonk* |
| 21:36.04 | abrotman | nice |
| 21:36.05 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 21:36.06 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@mon75-7-82-228-49-24.fbx.proxad.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 21:36.06 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 21:36.13 | jbroome | bwahahah |
| 21:36.26 | abrotman | LoRez: scratch and sniff ? |
| 21:36.27 | streuner | haha |
| 21:36.45 | abrotman | yes .. totally deserved |
| 21:37.06 | abrotman | LoRez: i apologize |
| 21:37.11 | LoRez | abrotman: no worries |
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| 21:38.22 | streuner | phakso: thank dondelelcaro, because the ban would be might otherwise :-) |
| 21:38.28 | streuner | too late :-) |
| 21:38.43 | abrotman | streuner: did he msg you ? |
| 21:38.47 | streuner | no |
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| 21:39.01 | stew | dondelelcaro: why does the topic mention ChanServ? can we remove that? |
| 21:39.17 | abrotman | ChanServ doesn't love me |
| 21:39.25 | stew | doesn't even like you |
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| 21:39.47 | abrotman | stew: it's familiar territory |
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| 21:40.04 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> GETTING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: sid, etch and /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java | /msg dpkg kde3.4 | /msg dpkg apt secure |
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| 21:40.08 | Ungy | !beer abrotman |
| 21:40.08 | stew | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 21:40.09 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 21:40.12 | abrotman | woohoo |
| 21:40.16 | abrotman | Ungy: i'm about to |
| 21:40.21 | dondelelcaro | stew: not really that important, but was there because of the chanserv breakage. |
| 21:40.34 | Ungy | abrotman I am about to go play ultimate frisbee |
| 21:40.35 | TML | That's the second channel he's done that in. |
| 21:40.45 | abrotman | Ungy: really .. my brother plays .. a lot! |
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| 21:40.58 | streuner | TML: what was the second? |
| 21:41.01 | abrotman | Ungy: and i mean A LOT |
| 21:41.01 | ralbar | where do i find the txt file listing users n what groups they belong to? |
| 21:41.01 | Ungy | abrotman, right on I am nto very good but I do enjoy it |
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| 21:41.08 | Punko | i`m back -:) |
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| 21:41.10 | abrotman | Ungy: his team has been to nationals |
| 21:41.11 | TML | streuner: phasko did the same thing in ##PHP moments ago. |
| 21:41.11 | Ungy | /etc/groups? |
| 21:41.12 | Punko | with my mic problem |
| 21:41.20 | stew | dondelelcaro: well people were always asking, nobody knew what it meant, and it was decreasing the chance that SOMEBODY might actually /msg dpkg bts without being told :) |
| 21:41.20 | streuner | TML: troll |
| 21:41.26 | Ungy | abrotman, what is his teams name? |
| 21:41.28 | TML | annoying |
| 21:41.28 | streuner | TML: then... |
| 21:41.39 | abrotman | Ungy: he was on "Run" and "En Sabah Nur" |
| 21:41.50 | ralbar | thanx |
| 21:41.51 | abrotman | Ungy: not sure who he plays with now .. he might just coach |
| 21:42.03 | Punko | my mic works but on skype noone can hear me. the calls audio device is on /dev/dsp |
| 21:42.07 | Ungy | abrotman, ahh yes he is in the states then? |
| 21:42.08 | Punko | any ideas ? |
| 21:42.17 | abrotman | Ungy: yes .. they're both based out of pittsburgh |
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| 21:42.29 | Ungy | Punko yoru mic is on dev/dsp? |
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| 21:42.39 | Punko | Ungy i dont know where it is |
| 21:42.42 | Ungy | abrotman, ahh I am in Toronto |
| 21:43.05 | abrotman | Ungy: ah .. i know a guy in toronto :) |
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| 21:43.16 | Punko | on skype is as options /dev/dsp ./dsp1 /dsp2 |
| 21:43.16 | Punko | and so |
| 21:43.19 | abrotman | Ungy: but he's not here right now .. he works for .. some Uni there |
| 21:43.24 | Ungy | abrotman now you know two |
| 21:43.25 | abrotman | utoronto i think |
| 21:44.11 | Ungy | Punko pick dsp1 for audio and then open a mixer |
| 21:45.05 | Ungy | abrotman, I dunno much about Canda I only moved here 4 years ago and haven't been anywhere but Niagra falls which was ratehr impressive |
| 21:45.09 | ralbar | xsession errors says segfault kwin lock when tryin to start kde..only one user cant login everyone else can.. |
| 21:45.12 | Punko | Ungy so ? |
| 21:45.21 | Ungy | Punko once you have a mixer open look for the mic pickup |
| 21:45.38 | Ungy | Punko make sure it is not muted |
| 21:45.43 | Punko | its not |
| 21:45.56 | Punko | Ungy on alsamixer |
| 21:46.00 | Punko | where can i see that |
| 21:46.01 | Ungy | Punko and make sure the pick up is at the right level |
| 21:46.13 | Punko | the mic is on the highest level |
| 21:46.18 | Punko | and ist not muted |
| 21:46.22 | Punko | the mic boost is on |
| 21:46.30 | abrotman | Ungy: you need to travel .. |
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| 21:46.51 | Ungy | abrotman soon very soon |
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| 21:47.31 | Ungy | Punko turn mic boost off and see fi they can here you fine |
| 21:48.11 | AwesomeMachine | I don't like my irc client. What is a good one? |
| 21:48.20 | Ungy | AwesomeMachine, x-chat |
| 21:48.21 | Punko | Ungy nope |
| 21:48.23 | Fender | im thinking about switching to debian from gentoo |
| 21:48.28 | stew | AwesomeMachine: irssi-text |
| 21:48.35 | Punko | somebody said i must not hear what i talk |
| 21:48.42 | Ungy | Punko yet you can hear yourself with any other programs? |
| 21:48.43 | Punko | is the mic on other device ? |
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| 21:48.49 | Punko | Ungy yes |
| 21:49.04 | Ungy | Punko ok you got me I am out of ideas |
| 21:49.06 | abrotman | !buckabeer |
| 21:49.06 | dpkg | well, buckabeer is time for abrotman to go .. thursday 5:30pm .. buckabeer at rock bottom |
| 21:49.10 | Punko | Ungy :( |
| 21:49.18 | stew | abrotman: you are late! |
| 21:49.28 | abrotman | stew: i know .. busy shitty day |
| 21:49.34 | Punko | any other with an idea ? |
| 21:49.52 | Ungy | Sorry Punko I gotta go and I have no idea why I got it working on my machine at home no problem |
| 21:50.19 | mark | Seriously guys. Who farted? This place stinks. |
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| 21:50.43 | fbi | spdf: that would be your upper lip. |
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| 21:51.01 | spdf | Interesting. I could infact be smelling my poo mustache. |
| 21:51.29 | Punko | Ungy ok thanks -:) |
| 21:51.52 | spdf | But really, an older fella layed a bomb down in front of my desk while I was checking him in. Worst episode ever. |
| 21:52.01 | spdf | Its still here. Thick as ever. |
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| 21:52.38 | AwesomeMachine | I spent all afternoon working at the grade school where I went to grade school. |
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| 21:53.00 | fbi | AwesomeMachine: meet any hot chicks? |
| 21:53.05 | eeyore- | spdf: there's (at least) one sick fuck on our floor who uses the toilet and doesn't flush, leaving the evidence behind. sometimes it doesn't appear he even uses toilet paper. eeeeeeeew. |
| 21:53.16 | spdf | eeyore-, Pay Day! |
| 21:53.31 | fbi | eeyore-: i'd kill a mofo for not flushing |
| 21:53.44 | AwesomeMachine | The teachers are pretty marginal looking |
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| 21:53.58 | eeyore- | fbi: it's pretty gross |
| 21:54.07 | fbi | AwesomeMachine: i was kidding, i meant students. apparently you didn't get that. |
| 21:54.17 | AwesomeMachine | not me |
| 21:54.50 | eeyore- | fbi: he said "grade school" |
| 21:55.08 | eeyore- | fbi: not "grad school" |
| 21:55.08 | fbi | eeyore-: yes, i was kidding |
| 21:55.09 | AwesomeMachine | It was just kind of weird working in my second grade classroom imaging drives |
| 21:55.18 | fbi | as in he picked up on some little girls. |
| 21:55.35 | AwesomeMachine | you guys are bad |
| 21:55.42 | DonVincenzo | is anybody connected to Kad network here ? |
| 21:55.48 | fbi | never mind, it's been overly discussed beyond the point of funniness. |
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| 21:56.32 | eeyore- | fbi: yeah, we wouldn't want the FBI to come investigate us. huh? haha. |
| 21:56.44 | fbi | hah. |
| 21:57.31 | Supaplex | is it normal to have multiple identical default routes? |
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| 21:57.56 | Delfyn | hi, is www.debian.org dead or is it just me? |
| 21:58.07 | *** part/#debian aneira (n=ariel@router1.dis.ufro.cl) |
| 21:58.24 | Dasnipa` | well can you ping it? |
| 21:58.26 | fbi | Delfyn: it's not loading here either |
| 21:58.27 | AwesomeMachine | it's debian-official now |
| 21:58.28 | spdf | Delfyn, I think you've got a bit of lint in your pipes.. |
| 21:58.28 | eeyore- | sometimes i want to make a sign "Kids For Rent" just to see people's reaction (of course i'd have picture of baby goats below it just in case) |
| 21:58.38 | Punko | anyone other with an idea why mi mic dont works on skype |
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| 21:58.42 | spdf | Delfyn, Same here though. |
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| 21:58.48 | Delfyn | fbi, thanks for the verification |
| 21:58.55 | spdf | It pings atleast |
| 21:59.08 | spdf | And ftp is up |
| 21:59.19 | fbi | Punko: i have an idea, it's skype. |
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| 21:59.27 | cheeseypoofs | phoul on? |
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| 21:59.42 | fbi | cheeseypoofs: /wii <user> |
| 21:59.48 | cheeseypoofs | kk |
| 21:59.48 | Punko | fbi but before it works |
| 21:59.52 | Punko | on the slackware -;) |
| 22:00.05 | Punko | i have no idea where the problem is |
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| 22:00.52 | fbi | Punko: so run slack then. i have a mobile phone, so i don't need free internet phone calls that sound like you're talking in the lavatory of a submarine. |
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| 22:01.05 | loxley_ | fbi: haha |
| 22:01.07 | Punko | fbi u are not helping me -:) |
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| 22:01.12 | Punko | so dont make it funny pls -:) |
| 22:01.14 | some_dude | what is the website for the unoffical packages ? |
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| 22:01.29 | stew | some_dude: debian-unofficial.org? |
| 22:01.45 | Punko | fbi call 3000km away from u |
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| 22:01.51 | Punko | and i`ll see what u pay then l |
| 22:01.52 | Punko | -;) |
| 22:01.53 | some_dude | my DSL is slow today |
| 22:01.59 | some_dude | i can't even load google |
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| 22:04.52 | cheeseypoofs | i eat babies |
| 22:05.12 | sussudio | in soviet russia, babies eat cheeseypoofs. |
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| 22:07.41 | Luftzig | is there some menu driven tool to load unload modules for kernel 2.6? I remember I used one for 2.4 |
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| 22:08.04 | liable | modconf? |
| 22:08.28 | Luftzig | right! forgot the named, that's all |
| 22:08.32 | Luftzig | thanks |
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| 22:09.14 | dsaard | hi |
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| 22:10.43 | pjota0 | someone help me about Kernel 2.6.x install issue? |
| 22:11.36 | PerfDave | pjota0: If you tell us what problem you're having, we may be able to help. |
| 22:11.42 | pjota0 | i can not exec make menuconfig because of it says that i don't have installed ncurses-dev |
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| 22:11.55 | mith | so um |
| 22:11.57 | pjota0 | i installed, i guess, libncurses5-dev yet |
| 22:12.09 | mith | if you did it'd work |
| 22:12.11 | mith | so you didn't |
| 22:12.40 | pjota0 | how can i know if libncurses5-dev is allready installed? |
| 22:12.54 | P8ntKid | Whats a command to mnt a cdrom using the "cd" command? |
| 22:13.02 | PerfDave | pjota0: Is there any reason why you don't just use a Debian-provided kernel-image package? |
| 22:13.10 | Luftzig | pjota0: or you don't need the lib, maybe the utilities\common\whatever package. happen'd to me more then once |
| 22:13.14 | pjota0 | if i exec apt-get for it, never find the package |
| 22:13.21 | PerfDave | P8ntKid: You want to use the "mount" command to mount it |
| 22:13.22 | fbi | pjota0: dpkg -l <packagename> |
| 22:13.39 | stew | P8ntKid: are you possibly talking about autofs? /msg dpkg autofs |
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| 22:13.53 | PerfDave | pjota0: Which version of Debian are you running? |
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| 22:14.14 | hognutter | imlooking for a guitar tuner for debian any ideas? |
| 22:14.29 | dsaard | need some help with debian on sparc, searching java sdk 1.4.2 |
| 22:14.31 | hognutter | i want it listed in my apt-cache so it has to be stable. |
| 22:14.49 | pjota0 | fbi: dpkk don't work "No packages found matches libncurses5-dev" |
| 22:14.58 | fbi | pjota0: that means it's not installed. |
| 22:14.59 | pjota0 | i'm running Sarge |
| 22:15.07 | PerfDave | dsaard: /msg dpkg java |
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| 22:15.25 | PerfDave | pjota0: apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
| 22:15.32 | Luftzig | hognutter: I think I once found one at sourceforge. try looking there and compiling your own |
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| 22:16.18 | pjota0 | no, PerfDave: Couldn't find package libncurses5-dev |
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| 22:16.29 | stew | hognutter: apt-cache search guitar tuner |
| 22:16.35 | PerfDave | pjota0: Then your apt sources are screwed up, run apt-setup |
| 22:16.44 | pjota0 | wat about Debian-provided kernel-image package? |
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| 22:17.01 | stew | pjota0: what version of debian are you running? and what cpu do you havfe? |
| 22:17.13 | PerfDave | pjota0: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 22:17.19 | pjota0 | i'm upgrading kernel because i installed Sarge and i can´t change monitor res up to 800x600 |
| 22:17.34 | z1ng3r | hi. is there any place where I could get debian packages of libbtctl and gnome-bluetooth ? |
| 22:17.37 | stew | pjota0: upgrading the kenrel won't help, /msg dpkg drxx |
| 22:17.37 | theBeno | Dave? |
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| 22:17.42 | stew | pjota0: or /msg dpkg set up x |
| 22:18.36 | z1ng3r | hey, can somebody help me with gnome-bluetooth on debian ? |
| 22:18.49 | pjota0 | i'm using and old Dell c640 |
| 22:19.23 | pjota0 | i read many experiences of people running Woody at 1024x768 without problems |
| 22:19.27 | stew | !laptops |
| 22:19.27 | PerfDave | pjota0: Why do you think a 2.6 kernel will help your X configuration? |
| 22:19.27 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
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| 22:19.38 | pjota0 | yeah, a laptop |
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| 22:20.07 | stew | pjota0: go to tuxmobil.org or linux-laptop.net and find someone who is running sarge on a c640 |
| 22:20.17 | pjota0 | i wanto to upgrade Kernel to install ATI drivers packages i found, only for 2.6.x kernel |
| 22:20.36 | Luftzig | PerfDave: I think the 2.4 kernel's X is no longer maintained, or something. |
| 22:20.40 | stew | pjota0: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 22:20.41 | Gunsmith | hey ben |
| 22:20.45 | Supaplex | do network interface aliases need anything besides the ip and netmask? (provided the primary interface has the gateway) |
| 22:20.57 | pjota0 | thanks stew |
| 22:20.59 | PerfDave | Luftzig: Uhm, kernel and x are independent of each other. |
| 22:21.04 | stew | pjota0: however the built in ati drivers should be good enough |
| 22:21.26 | Gunsmith | hello theBeno |
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| 22:21.36 | stew | pjota0: you don't want to install whatever drivers you found, just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 , and choose ati |
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| 22:21.51 | pjota0 | those are what i'm running, but 1024x768 is imposible ti run |
| 22:22.03 | PerfDave | pjota0: Why do you say that it's impossible to run? |
| 22:22.15 | z1ng3r | so, here's noone who use gnome-bluetooth ? |
| 22:22.27 | Luftzig | PerfDave: ah... right. Ah! sarge uses xfree-86, which is no longer maintained, no? |
| 22:22.32 | spdf | pjota0, What is your lcd's native resolution? |
| 22:22.33 | pjota0 | i lie, not impossible, is not worrking properly |
| 22:22.52 | stew | pjota0: it has nothing to do with the kernel |
| 22:22.59 | PerfDave | Luftzig: Debian's xfree86 is still maintained :) |
| 22:23.01 | pjota0 | screen split in 3 parts |
| 22:23.02 | spdf | pjota0, the fglrx drivers do.. |
| 22:23.12 | PerfDave | pjota0: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 22:23.31 | Nick_Hill | pjota0, Unless you have a very new card, the drivers in sarge's XF86 should be good enough. Otherwise, you can install a recent xorg on sarge. |
| 22:23.39 | stew | spdf: he doesn't need the fglrx drivers to get more than 800x600 on an old laptop |
| 22:23.40 | pjota0 | and can't see nothing well, but all in 1024x768 |
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| 22:24.04 | spdf | Ahh.. I missed what kind of laptop it was.. |
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| 22:24.12 | pjota0 | C640 |
| 22:24.38 | Luftzig | PrefDave: it is? so I probably haven't understood a thing of what I read today. which explains why my mouse is still not working |
| 22:24.49 | pjota0 | it can do 1024x768 at 60Hz vewry well under Windoze |
| 22:24.50 | Stereo | hi folks. I have a hardware question. This machine keeps turning itself off at night. I'm running sensorsd and checked my syslog, but nothing looks unusual. What else could I look for? |
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| 22:25.17 | spdf | Yeh, its just a Mobility ATi 7500.. |
| 22:26.27 | pjota0 | yeah, that's graphic card it run |
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| 22:27.53 | kados | where'd rar and unrar go in debian sarge? |
| 22:28.02 | kados | can't find package for them |
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| 22:28.25 | eeyore- | Stereo: set up a ghostcam maybe? |
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| 22:29.19 | stew | !info unrar sarge |
| 22:29.20 | bucky | kados, in non-free ? |
| 22:29.21 | dpkg | unrar: (Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 1:3.5.2-0.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 85 kB, Installed size: 216 kB |
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| 22:29.37 | stew | kados: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 22:29.49 | stew | !info unrar-free sarge |
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| 22:30.13 | stew | ..does not exist, hmm |
| 22:30.16 | kados | can I just add 'non-free' to my sources.list? |
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| 22:30.25 | kados | at the end of the deb line? |
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| 22:30.36 | Stereo | eeyore-: a ghostcam? |
| 22:30.43 | Stereo | eeyore-: oh, it's a joke. I get it. |
| 22:30.47 | kados | like this: |
| 22:30.47 | kados | deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ sarge main non-free |
| 22:30.50 | kados | ?? |
| 22:31.09 | ice1963 | how come gnome-commander is not in sid's /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 22:31.54 | spdf | pjota0, ALright, You eaving the evidence behind. sometimes it |
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| 22:32.06 | spdf | unf.. stupid touchpad.. |
| 22:32.22 | stew | !find gnome-commander |
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| 22:32.28 | ice1963 | hmm |
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| 22:32.38 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'gnome-commander' returned no results. |
| 22:32.41 | some_dude | i can't hold a connection |
| 22:32.49 | some_dude | how can i remove java |
| 22:33.09 | some_dude | I installd with apt-get and don't know now to search my packages |
| 22:33.19 | SimonRaven | try gmc |
| 22:33.27 | Tortel | apt-get remove {packagename} |
| 22:33.41 | some_dude | i don't know the package name |
| 22:33.45 | stew | !wikifaq some_dude PackageManagement |
| 22:33.47 | SimonRaven | some_dude: /msg dpkg search |
| 22:33.49 | dpkg | some_dude: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/PackageManagement or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 22:34.08 | Tortel | some_dude: Try aptitude also |
| 22:34.38 | some_dude | i can't even load google |
| 22:36.08 | PerfDave | OK, glxgears is giving me 5 FPS, that's not good. |
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| 22:37.20 | creatin | nothing with Xserver will work. i ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, the graphics and touch pad mouse still didn't seen to configure but the keyboard did but stoped working after a reboot. what am i doing wrong? ps. using Intel Laptop |
| 22:37.48 | PerfDave | creatin: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 22:37.55 | PerfDave | creatin: /msg dpkg laptop |
| 22:39.08 | bucky | gnome-commander is in old-stable :( |
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| 22:39.28 | _gass_ | hello |
| 22:39.30 | adioe3 | POLL: Which kernel are you using? |
| 22:39.31 | _gass_ | www.debian.org down?? |
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| 22:39.57 | creatin | _gass_: seems to be |
| 22:40.03 | P8ntKid | Lol how do I eject my cd rom? It wont eject. Is there a command? |
| 22:40.12 | PerfDave | P8ntKid: "eject" |
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| 22:42.56 | Tortel | !tell me about gnome |
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| 22:46.32 | spdf | adioe3, You won't get much of a response from polls. They're shunned here. |
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| 22:47.02 | adioe3 | spdf, I'm into tons of trouble with 2.6.## kernels so I'm polling to see which are favourites ... :D |
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| 22:47.38 | adioe3 | I've tried 2.6.13.4 and now downloaded the 2.6.12 in hope it'll work ... duh |
| 22:47.42 | amphi | adioe3: 2.6.11.12 seems to work ok here (stinkpad) |
| 22:47.43 | spdf | adioe3, The packaged ones are at 2.6.8 in Sarge, 2.6.12 in Etch, and 2.6.13 in Sid, if I remember correctly.. |
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| 22:48.17 | adioe3 | apmhi, spdf: thanx, you've just narrowed my downloads :D |
| 22:48.27 | spdf | adioe3, I'm 2.6.12, works well enough |
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| 22:49.00 | adioe3 | I'm compiling 2.6.12 as we speak ... if it works I'll let you know |
| 22:49.27 | amphi | adioe3: what doesn't work? |
| 22:49.35 | adioe3 | I'm getting my Sarge in two days and can't stop jumping about it |
| 22:49.41 | adioe3 | amphi: nforce onboard lan card |
| 22:49.46 | adioe3 | isn't recognized |
| 22:49.51 | adioe3 | (forcedeth module) |
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| 22:50.21 | PerfDave | adioe3: Should be fine with the Sarge kernel :) |
| 22:50.47 | adioe3 | I've got centos at the moment and it's hardware manager (kudzu) appears everytime I compile the 2.6.13.4 showing that I've removed the card from the pc (and it's onboard) huh... |
| 22:51.03 | adioe3 | PerfDave, I know. I love Debian just have to wait till I get it :D |
| 22:51.22 | adioe3 | I've got a amd x64 athlon so I'm getting the unoffician amd64 version of sarge |
| 22:52.20 | rupert_ | Hi @all |
| 22:52.21 | PerfDave | Worked fine in my quad Opteron :) |
| 22:52.26 | PerfDave | !hi |
| 22:52.26 | dpkg | hello, perfdave |
| 22:52.38 | adioe3 | PerfDave, and what I love the most in Debian is the way of installing new kernels ... really hate compiling ... :) |
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| 22:53.12 | adioe3 | and living is hard without apt-get but hey in a few days :D |
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| 22:53.24 | PerfDave | adioe3: Yeah, and even when you do have to compile, it's pretty easy. Took me about five minutes (minus the download and compile times) to sort out a Debian 2.6.8 kernel with some orinoco patches :) |
| 22:53.36 | adioe3 | lovely :D |
| 22:53.56 | adioe3 | I've tried tons of distros but so far only Debian based (Ubuntu) worked |
| 22:54.00 | adioe3 | and now I'm getting Debian |
| 22:54.17 | gravity | I'm very pleasantly surprised that so many people are using Ubuntu as a gateway to Debian |
| 22:54.27 | gravity | I'm kind of perplexed about it in all honesty, but happy |
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| 22:55.22 | PerfDave | gravity: Yeah, if only we could find a polite way for them to go to #ubuntu and not #debian with their Ubuntu problems, everything would be fine ;) |
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| 22:55.27 | adioe3 | gravity, Ubuntu is nice for a beggining but than you find out about Debian and just want to move on with your experience/knowledge ... So migrating to Debian from a debian based distro like Ubuntu is quite logical ... |
| 22:55.29 | gravity | heh |
| 22:55.39 | gravity | adioe3: Interesting... |
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| 22:56.00 | PerfDave | It seems to me that the main advantage that Ubuntu has is marketing :) |
| 22:56.20 | PerfDave | Oh, and being owned by a squillionaire, that probably helps. |
| 22:56.22 | gravity | PerfDave: Don't discount regular releases, although I think our release team is a lot more committed now |
| 22:56.47 | PerfDave | gravity: *shrug* I'm not a fan of time-based releases. I'd prefer Debian to have more frequent releases, but not necessarily more regular ones ;) |
| 22:56.49 | amphi | debian still seems to have a rep for being a 'difficult' distro |
| 22:56.50 | adioe3 | maybe Ubuntu people have money, but Debian has a much much wider community |
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| 22:57.08 | adioe3 | amphi, I agree ... |
| 22:57.17 | gravity | PerfDave: I think regular ones are even more important, so you know what's coming. The perpetual wait for sarge was crippling |
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| 22:57.31 | gravity | PerfDave: But we're currently on a 1.5 year plan |
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| 22:57.58 | PerfDave | amphi: It does have that rep. It amazes me. |
| 22:57.58 | amphi | adioe3: qute undeserved IMHO - perhaps it's the shadow of dselect ;) |
| 22:57.58 | gravity | amphi: Which is sort of unfortunate. It's got almost all of the same components as Ubuntu. It's just that people seem to choose to do things the hard way. I really don't know why. |
| 22:58.04 | ecobuntu | what's the xfce4 version in testing right now? |
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| 22:58.17 | Xenguy | adioe3: Ubu needs Debian, and Debian is benefitting (I hear) from Ubu code too |
| 22:58.22 | gravity | It may be that people want the newest stuff right away and they do very difficult things to get them in Debian |
| 22:58.30 | gravity | Which makes it seem like Debian is hard to use |
| 22:58.32 | gravity | I dunno |
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| 22:58.37 | PerfDave | gravity: *shrug* I'd rather things were released when they were working, than things were bodged in to meet a release schedule. Maybe I'm odd ;) |
| 22:58.39 | amphi | gravity: dselect is the only thing I can think of that might have given that impression |
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| 22:58.57 | adioe3 | Xenguy, from the Ubuntu site and reviews/interviews I get a feeling that Ubuntu wants to detach from Debian ... but can't ... |
| 22:59.01 | amphi | PerfDave: I agree |
| 22:59.12 | gravity | PerfDave: I agree, but we can do both. The whole infrastructure of unstable->testing is meant to keep things perpetually working. It's not really the case, but you can hand-hold it so that it works out more or less when you want it to |
| 22:59.20 | gravity | amphi: Maybe. Mercifully it's dead |
| 22:59.26 | Xenguy | adioe3: I can't imagine they would want to -- they are completely dependent on Debian as a base AFAICT |
| 22:59.41 | gravity | I think they do want to detach |
| 23:00.03 | amphi | adioe3: I heard someone say that |
| 23:00.17 | jcurry | can i do a passwordless ssh login to a remote host where the username doesn't match the one i am ssh'ing from? i have an ssh key pair set up, as well as keychain. i have copied my public key into the ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the remote host, but it still prompts me for a password |
| 23:00.17 | Xenguy | gravity: I don't really see how they can do it without creating a lot of problems, technical and political |
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| 23:00.49 | ecobuntu | is anyone familiar with arch linux? do they know if it's any good...people keep trying to tell me it's similar to debian? |
| 23:00.50 | gravity | Xenguy: They've already re-created the Debian infrastructure and are busy rewriting it. They're building their own community of independant maintainers. What more do they need? |
| 23:01.03 | adioe3 | PerfDave, gravity : I much favor the stable > testing > unstable system debian has - for steady people, ones who need working new stuff, to ones who must have the latest or they'll die :D |
| 23:01.08 | PerfDave | I think it's interesting to note that when Ubuntu first came out, Shuttleworth did his best to avoid the D-word in interviews etc., and over the last few months when there's been pressure for co-operation in both the Debian and Ubuntu communities he's gone on this huge PR-splurge to say how great Debian is. |
| 23:01.17 | Xenguy | gravity: sorry, supper-time here, but will ponder what you say |
| 23:01.43 | ecobuntu | i hear that most of the Ubuntu developers are Debian developers |
| 23:02.05 | gravity | ecobuntu: Not their MOTU program. Those people all seem to be non-DD"s |
| 23:02.05 | PerfDave | jcurry: Are you specifying the username in the ssh command, and do you have your public key in the .ssh/authorized_keys folder of the *target* username's home directory? |
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| 23:02.16 | ice1963 | well bob2 is |
| 23:02.17 | gravity | ecobuntu: The people who are both Ubuntu and Debian types seem to all be canonical employees |
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| 23:02.46 | jcurry | PerfDave, yes, i use ssh remoteuser@remotehost, i did copy over my public key in the right file |
| 23:03.20 | PerfDave | jcurry: Then it should be working... try using ssh -v to get debug info. |
| 23:03.22 | ecobuntu | how unstable is sid right now? |
| 23:03.31 | jcurry | PerfDave, although i'm not sure what the user@host at the end of the public key be....the host i am ssh-ing from does not have a public hostname |
| 23:03.40 | gravity | ecobuntu: It's stable enough for me, but that could change at any time |
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| 23:04.07 | gravity | Although to be fair, I've run unstable alone for 5 years straight with minimal hassle |
| 23:04.07 | adioe3 | Still Ubuntu is the 1st on distrowatch.org ... dunno why. maybe people find it easy to configure since it has a clear faq? |
| 23:04.09 | stew | ecobuntu: its never stable enough for me |
| 23:04.12 | gravity | One big hassle back in about 2000. |
| 23:04.13 | ice1963 | how is gnome in sid |
| 23:04.14 | gravity | That's about it |
| 23:04.18 | ecobuntu | gravity: but if something doesn't work you just hang on tight for a bit and it's fixed pretty soon right? |
| 23:04.24 | stew | gravity: what's MOTU? |
| 23:04.34 | gravity | ecobuntu: Right |
| 23:04.46 | gravity | stew: Masters Of The Universe. Their non-canonical-employee packager program |
| 23:04.46 | jcurry | PerfDave, i'll paste the debug info, i don't quite understand it |
| 23:04.50 | PerfDave | adioe3: I think it's because it's getting a lot of PR and press. |
| 23:05.13 | stew | gravity: ahhh, is that what "universe" is all about, i guess |
| 23:05.19 | gravity | stew: Right |
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| 23:05.21 | PerfDave | I ran sid for ages, and apart from spending a fortnight without KDE working from the console, which was mostly down to my own laziness, it was pretty much fine. |
| 23:05.23 | adioe3 | PerfDave, thogh ... |
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| 23:05.32 | gravity | stew: Among other things. They want a packager setup that's totally independant of Debian |
| 23:05.35 | gravity | Which sorta worries me |
| 23:05.43 | some_dude | the joys of flaky dsl |
| 23:05.49 | some_dude | i need java 1.2.4 |
| 23:05.50 | ecobuntu | PerfDave: would you say it's probably fine for someone running a personal desktop |
| 23:05.56 | some_dude | 1.4.2 |
| 23:06.05 | PerfDave | some_dude: Sun Java? /msg dpkg java |
| 23:06.13 | some_dude | i need a older java, where might it find it |
| 23:06.13 | gravity | ecobuntu: Probably not, unless they don't mind playing around and dealing with problems. You learn a lot that way though. |
| 23:06.14 | ecobuntu | PerfDave: Basically I just use oo.org2 and media players |
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| 23:06.21 | stew | some_dude: http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/ |
| 23:06.24 | dvs | some_dude: Sun |
| 23:06.38 | some_dude | now I probley can't download it |
| 23:06.42 | PerfDave | ecobuntu: I wouldn't advise anyone to run Sid if they were not fairly familiar with Debian packaging, the BTS etc. |
| 23:06.53 | ecobuntu | it's just software moves so slow in debian unless you're running sid |
| 23:07.02 | gravity | You can learn Debian packaging and such as you run sid |
| 23:07.05 | ecobuntu | yeah i'm running with apt-get and apt-listbugs |
| 23:07.22 | jcurry | i even pull in a little experimental for flavor every now and then |
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| 23:07.36 | gravity | ecobuntu: I didn't know much at all about Debian when I began with unstable. But I made it a point to learn about things, so unstable was a good fit. If you don't really want to learn then I don't recommend unstable |
| 23:07.47 | gravity | ecobuntu: You need to be patient and *want* to learn how to deal with problems though |
| 23:07.52 | ice1963 | i like wmaker and i use gnome-commander it's not in sid how come ? |
| 23:07.55 | adioe3 | I'm rebooting into my new 2.6.12 kernel now guys, c ya soon if it works ... |
| 23:08.00 | Supaplex | for a box with 9 ips, why can I ssh to the first ip, but it times out on all the other ips? |
| 23:08.06 | gravity | ecobuntu: It's like running the ubuntu in development more or less |
| 23:08.07 | ecobuntu | gravity: i like learning about debian and i like to know what's on my computer |
| 23:08.19 | gravity | ecobuntu: Then yeah, if you want to, go for unstable. It's fun, but annoying too. |
| 23:08.22 | ecobuntu | gravity: how much different is it than testing? radically |
| 23:08.36 | gravity | ecobuntu: I honestly have never run testing to know. I think from reports here, that it's easier than testing though |
| 23:08.47 | jcurry | PerfDave, my debug output: http://pastebin.com/408375 |
| 23:08.53 | gravity | ecobuntu: Fixes propagate in faster, but then again, so do breakages |
| 23:09.10 | ecobuntu | i have question about install debian...how can i install only gnome and xfce4? |
| 23:09.12 | ecobuntu | or can't i |
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| 23:09.23 | gravity | ecobuntu: Just use aptitude to install the gnome and xfce metapackages |
| 23:09.23 | ecobuntu | probably only with advacned installation huh? |
| 23:09.27 | gravity | Nah |
| 23:09.40 | ecobuntu | gravity: oh with the net install cd? |
| 23:09.43 | gravity | ecobuntu: Just install a base system, then use aptitude. or install the desktop task to install everything, then remove what you don't want |
| 23:09.45 | liable | ecobuntu: you can, just pick the base install then get what you want with apt |
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| 23:09.58 | PerfDave | ecobuntu: Just install it, don't select any of the bundles in the task selector, and apt-get install stuff by hand. |
| 23:10.02 | ecobuntu | liable: is there an option for base install? i thought it was just desktop, server, etc. |
| 23:10.04 | ice1963 | apt-get install gnome xfce4 |
| 23:10.06 | gravity | ecobuntu: That CD will only install the base system, You pull down the rest from the net. If you can use that, I recommend it. |
| 23:10.21 | liable | ecobuntu: dont pick anything in tasksel. |
| 23:10.22 | PerfDave | ecobuntu: A base install is when you don't choose any of the desktop, server etc. tasks ;) |
| 23:10.37 | ecobuntu | ok |
| 23:10.46 | ecobuntu | sounds good...i'll see you guys in a bit! |
| 23:10.51 | ecobuntu | irssi rules! |
| 23:10.59 | gravity | yes it does :-) |
| 23:10.59 | liable | i guess i could have worded that better |
| 23:11.50 | gravity | "If you really want to learn, and are willing to put up with breakages to solve problems as they happen, then unsable may be a fun choice for you" |
| 23:11.59 | gravity | That sounds better than "If you have to ask, the answer is no" |
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| 23:12.40 | ice1963 | why core ? |
| 23:12.48 | jcurry | PerfDave, do you want me to try with -vvv instead? |
| 23:13.07 | prock | -core doesn't install the lots-of-extra-crap package |
| 23:13.08 | ice1963 | i install x-window-system |
| 23:13.31 | PerfDave | jcurry: It looks like the key is being rejected for some reason. |
| 23:13.41 | victor_ | hello ,for mount pen drive? sudo mount /dev/xxx /media/pen -t ntfs -o ro,umask=0222 |
| 23:13.48 | victor_ | ?? |
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| 23:13.53 | stew | victor_: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
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| 23:14.17 | jcurry | PerfDave, -vvv reveals that it cannot find id_dsa, even though i use rsa |
| 23:14.34 | Humanoid | Is there a common utility that recursively deletes directories, but doesn't traverse mount points? |
| 23:14.50 | PerfDave | jcurry: It seems to look for both. |
| 23:15.40 | jcurry | PerfDave, i can paste the relevant -vvv output in #flood...that would be easier |
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| 23:16.16 | PerfDave | jcurry: I don't see how that would help. It's finding your rsa key, offering it and it's being rejected? |
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| 23:16.44 | stew | jcurry: /msg dpkg debug sshd |
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| 23:17.16 | jcurry | stew, thanks for the tip |
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| 23:17.49 | jcurry | PerfDave, no, as far as i can tell, i offer the rsa key, and the remote hosts answeres with "cannot find dsa key" |
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| 23:18.06 | hognutter | <coo.l |
| 23:18.11 | stew | jcurry: make sure ownership in the .ssh and .ssh/authorized_keys is correct and .ssh is chmod 700 and authorized_keys is chmod 600 |
| 23:18.11 | hognutter | violent femmes |
| 23:18.16 | hognutter | remember that band? |
| 23:18.28 | PerfDave | hognutter: Yes, do yhey use Debian? |
| 23:18.31 | hognutter | heh |
| 23:18.35 | hognutter | probably |
| 23:19.05 | hognutter | i never got the guitar tuner running but got the wave files extracted out of the program so i can at least hear a E note. |
| 23:19.08 | stew | jcurry: or if you wanna just start over, rm the .ssh directory, and copy your key their by running ssh-copy-id user@removehost |
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| 23:19.08 | jcurry | stew, will do...but to use port 2222, i'd have to chnage my port-forwarding setup...which i cannot do currently |
| 23:19.20 | stew | ^their^there |
| 23:19.21 | hognutter | im learning that please do not go song . |
| 23:19.28 | adioe3 | CentOS: 0 points |
| 23:19.37 | jcurry | stew, ooh, i'll try that...i didn't know that command existed :) |
| 23:20.42 | PerfDave | I didn't know that ssh-copy-id existed either :) |
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| 23:22.20 | jcurry | stew, i did that, but i am still prompted for a password...i can pastebin ssh -vvv output, if you want |
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| 23:24.26 | stew | jcurry: is the output different than the last time you pasted it? |
| 23:24.35 | jcurry | yes, it is more verbose :) |
| 23:25.13 | ice1963 | has some one tried to install nvidia's driver in sid's 2.6.12 yet ? |
| 23:25.21 | stew | jcurry: sure i'll look |
| 23:25.31 | liran_ | just wondering if anyone got a clue how to connect to micq with -u and -p for uin details and still have a remote-control/scripting pipe runing? |
| 23:26.33 | jcurry | stew, http://pastebin.com/408390 |
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| 23:27.04 | stram | debian.org down? |
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| 23:27.50 | spdf | stram, it would seem so |
| 23:28.00 | stew | jcurry: so the server rejected your key, we can't really tell anything more |
| 23:28.05 | stram | ah, just when i decided ubuntu sucks... |
| 23:28.09 | stew | jcurry: anything in /var/log/auth.log on the remove server? |
| 23:28.17 | dvs | !beer stram |
| 23:28.17 | spdf | stram, There are other mirrors |
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| 23:28.29 | stew | jcurry: or do you have some other port (other than 2222) that you could use? like "borrow" port 80 or something? |
| 23:28.39 | thingfish | stram: don't worry, it'll be back up soon. Stay here and enjoy the love in the meantime. |
| 23:29.11 | stew | !love stram |
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| 23:29.31 | spdf | !hump stram |
| 23:29.31 | stram | the latest ubuntu doesn't even seem to mount NFGS shares. |
| 23:29.43 | stram | NFS* |
| 23:30.05 | stram | i just removed a netbsd install to roll back to openbsd, thinking netbsd was causing my problems. |
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| 23:30.08 | stram | rar. |
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| 23:30.28 | jcurry | stew, auth.log only has cron jobs and some ssh brute-force attacks from foreign IPs...since i can login with a password |
| 23:30.29 | figfig | what package contains ant? Apt-get install ant doesn't do it. |
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| 23:30.51 | ice1963 | ubuntu is good but i get more out of it when i do it for my self :0) |
| 23:31.16 | adioe3 | Is there a way to make every 2nd line in xchat have a different bg color? (just the line, like paragraph bg i OO.org) |
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| 23:31.20 | stew | !info ant sarge |
| 23:31.21 | dpkg | ant: (Java based build tool like make), section contrib/devel, is optional. Version: 1.6.2-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 4751 kB, Installed size: 7848 kB |
| 23:31.37 | stew | figfig: its in contrib in sarge and main on etch and sid, /msg dpkg contrib |
| 23:32.18 | jcurry | stew, none of the other logs mention it either, but i may not be looking in the right place |
| 23:32.50 | stew | jcurry: no thats not entirely suprising, you need to start sshd with debugging |
| 23:33.03 | figfig | stew: does that mean that if I am using stable I can't get it? |
| 23:33.10 | jcurry | stew, i'd have to stop the current one, since i can only use port 22 |
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| 23:33.21 | stew | figfig: no you can, add contrib to your sources: /msg dpkg contrib |
| 23:33.32 | spdf | adioe3, You'd have to script it, I'd think.. |
| 23:33.33 | jcurry | stew, i'll do that and check again |
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| 23:35.23 | stew | jcurry: i don't know if i would really recommend this, but here it goes: you could stop the current ssh server and run "sshd -d". executiing /etc/init.d/ssh stop would not terminate existing connections. but i dunno if i would really do that on a remote box |
| 23:35.42 | jcurry | stew, i have port 80 open also, i'll stop apache |
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| 23:37.03 | Supaplex | Any comments on why network interface aliases do not respond? http://xrl.us/h735 |
| 23:37.47 | stew | Supaplex: are you sure sshd is listening on the other interfaces? |
| 23:38.01 | jcurry | stew, aha! when attempting to start sshd, i get an error message saying: Disabling protocol version 2. Could not load host key, sshd: no hostkeys available -- exiting. |
| 23:38.03 | Supaplex | it's listening on 0.0.0.0:22 |
| 23:38.08 | figfig | stew: that seemed to have done it. Thanks for the info. |
| 23:38.16 | SimonRaven | might need to restart it |
| 23:38.27 | jcurry | stew, althought there is an instance of sshd on port 22 that works fine...now i'm confused |
| 23:38.39 | SimonRaven | when you add a new iface, sometimes processes don't pick it up |
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| 23:39.41 | Supaplex | it was recently rebooted |
| 23:39.46 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 23:39.51 | liable_ | whats a good way to stop getting ssh hammered from bots. iptables rate limiting seems the go so far, just wondering if anyone has another solution. |
| 23:40.13 | SimonRaven | if it's 0.0.0.0:22, it *should be picking it up then. nothing preventing it? |
| 23:40.16 | stew | Supaplex: can you ssh to the other ip's from localhost and just not remote? |
| 23:40.21 | Supaplex | liable_: the recent module is good as well. |
| 23:40.46 | Supaplex | stew: yea, locally I can ssh into the other ips, last I checked |
| 23:40.59 | liable_ | Supaplex: yeah, thats the one i am looking at :) |
| 23:41.03 | stew | Supaplex: if you can on local and not from remote its a firewall |
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| 23:41.12 | Yarou | hmm |
| 23:41.23 | PerfDave | liable_: Running sshd on a different port is good, as is the automatic temporary blocking by IP described on http://www.debian-administratoin.org/ |
| 23:41.34 | Yarou | this ircd is certainly strange... |
| 23:41.40 | Supaplex | yup, works fine locally. |
| 23:41.43 | liable_ | PerfDave: yup, thats what i have been reading :) |
| 23:41.46 | PerfDave | s/oin/ion/ |
| 23:41.50 | stew | Supaplex: are you getting connection refused? or dropped packets? |
| 23:41.57 | Supaplex | dropped |
| 23:42.03 | PerfDave | liable_: There are a few different articles on that site on the subject, covering different approaches. |
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| 23:42.27 | Yarou | stew == stew` ? |
| 23:42.32 | liable_ | PerfDave: right, might have a bit of a read then. |
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| 23:42.58 | jcurry | stew, although the files sshd complains about, /etc/ssh/ssh_host_(d/r)sa_key exist...are they locked by the other sshd? if i kill the first one, will i lose my session? |
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| 23:44.15 | jcurry | stew, or maybe i can write a small shellscript that kills the current and launches a new one? |
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| 23:44.37 | Evo-lex | Hi guys im wondering if you can help me... |
| 23:44.47 | stew | Yarou: false |
| 23:45.02 | stew | jcurry: i wouldn't |
| 23:45.05 | Yarou | ahh, alright |
| 23:45.20 | stew | jcurry: lemme test that here |
| 23:45.28 | Evo-lex | hello? |
| 23:45.37 | Yarou | anyway, would you happen to if dancer or hyperion allows modification of its source? |
| 23:45.41 | Supaplex | !ask Evo-lex |
| 23:45.43 | spdf | Evo-lex, ASk. |
| 23:45.44 | stew | jcurry: i can start multiple ssh servers here, with no problems |
| 23:45.45 | Yarou | *know |
| 23:45.49 | jcurry | stew, thanks! you are being very helpful |
| 23:45.50 | dvs | Evo-lex: Maybe if you posted your question you'll get an answer |
| 23:45.54 | mith | Yarou: you don't want dancer. |
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| 23:45.59 | mith | Yarou: seriously |
| 23:46.17 | stew | Yarou: dancer is in debian, so definately |
| 23:46.19 | Yarou | i run Unreal/Ultimate/Bahamut lol |
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| 23:46.27 | Yarou | on several servers |
| 23:46.33 | Yarou | i just want something which i can modify |
| 23:46.36 | jcurry | stew, well, i try to start one, and i get "Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key" |
| 23:46.42 | Yarou | stew: thanks |
| 23:46.48 | mith | Yarou: well, you might want something else, but you really don't want dancer |
| 23:47.01 | jcurry | stew, oops, probably because i was trying to start it as a local user :) |
| 23:47.04 | Yarou | ... what are you talking about? |
| 23:47.06 | stew | Yarou: i'd be extremely suprised if hyperion was not gpl or something similar |
| 23:47.08 | Yarou | i know what i want |
| 23:47.13 | Evo-lex | im trying to install debian-testing-i386-netinst im using vmware and everytime i get to the base system installation i get errors.. |
| 23:47.13 | stew | jcurry: doh |
| 23:47.22 | mith | Yarou: dancer is pretty craptacular |
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| 23:47.26 | spdf | Evo-lex, What errors are those? |
| 23:47.30 | mith | Yarou: i'd suggest looking at ratbox |
| 23:47.32 | Yarou | no shit, but if i can edit it i have no problem with it |
| 23:47.34 | Yarou | pfft ratbox |
| 23:47.48 | mith | at least it works, which is more than can be said for dancer :P |
| 23:47.50 | jcurry | stew, trying it now |
| 23:47.53 | Yarou | i ran that once, and i must say i was quite disappointed, :P |
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| 23:48.15 | mith | well, dancer has the same initial code base iirc |
| 23:48.32 | Yarou | yeah |
| 23:48.39 | stew | actaully isn't hyperion a dancer fork? |
| 23:48.46 | Yarou | stew: i think so |
| 23:48.46 | Evo-lex | i cant actually remember lol |
| 23:48.48 | Evo-lex | hang on |
| 23:48.52 | mith | so anything you didn't like about ratbox, you're not going to like about dancer, and then some :P |
| 23:48.53 | Evo-lex | ill install and tell you |
| 23:48.58 | stew | Yarou: then its modifiable as well |
| 23:49.14 | stew | mith: why all the hate for dancer? |
| 23:49.16 | Yarou | mith: i'd rather start from somewhere then from scratch, :P |
| 23:49.24 | mith | stew: because it's hardly irc at this point |
| 23:49.25 | stew | mith: (if you can sum it up in one sentence or so) |
| 23:49.25 | Evo-lex | vmware wouldnt be the problem would it |
| 23:49.25 | Yarou | as for modifying ratbox, i wouldn't |
| 23:49.37 | Yarou | vmware == pussy |
| 23:49.51 | Yarou | resize your ntfs partition or buy a new HDD |
| 23:49.54 | SimonRaven | stew: yes it is |
| 23:49.59 | Yarou | VMWare is hardly worth anything |
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| 23:50.08 | Yarou | chances are you're probably using a crack for it anyway |
| 23:50.12 | stew | SimonRaven: you mean mith i think |
| 23:50.20 | mith | stew: it breaks all sorts of rfcs and tests against current clients instead of the standards, breaks dcc in weird ways with some clients, doesn't understand how an 005 numeric is supposed to work, the fucked up ident mangling, etc, etc, etc |
| 23:50.32 | SimonRaven | mith: what is irc nowadays anyway? ;) |
| 23:50.41 | SimonRaven | stew: stew : actaully isn't hyperion a dancer fork? |
| 23:50.46 | Evo-lex | yeah i know but im a windows user, and i dont want to lose everything to install this, i only want to use it and get used to it |
| 23:50.47 | Yarou | mith: advantages of ratbox over dancer? |
| 23:50.47 | shadowarts | can someone tell me why my server is establishing 180 connections like this: |
| 23:50.47 | shadowarts | udp 0 0 192.168.1.101:55419 dns1.sfldmi.sbcg:domain ESTABLISHED |
| 23:50.54 | Yarou | i'm sorry, but i just can't see anything |
| 23:51.01 | mith | Yarou: take what i just said, and reverse the statements, pretty much |
| 23:51.05 | Yarou | lol |
| 23:51.33 | Yarou | brb rebooting into DragonFly BSD |
| 23:51.53 | mlewis00 | I have ACPI installed and working on my system...now I need to find some documentation on how to set which interrupts bring the system out of standby/suspend, what programs to use to respond to ACPI events, etc. I am interested in non-GUI applications or scripts. Thanks! |
| 23:51.56 | Supaplex | Regarding http://xrl.us/h735 - I can see lots of dns queries on other ip, but it's not responding either |
| 23:52.14 | jcurry | stew, i see mainly "Authentication refused: bad ownership or modes for directory /home/remoteuser" |
| 23:52.36 | spdf | Evo-lex, You'll have to read the VMWare documentation. Which installation disc are you using? Sarge/Etch, Full/Netinst? |
| 23:52.39 | jcurry | stew: oops, it is 777 :) |
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| 23:53.07 | Yarou | whoa |
| 23:53.07 | Evo-lex | full |
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| 23:53.21 | Yarou | /names flooded irssi |
| 23:53.22 | spdf | Evo-lex, Which kernel version did you set in your vmware config? |
| 23:53.22 | Yarou | :P |
| 23:54.01 | Yarou | hmm |
| 23:54.05 | Evo-lex | i set it to redhat linux |
| 23:54.06 | spdf | Evo-lex, And we'd need to know the errors to be of any help to you.. |
| 23:54.12 | spdf | Evo-lex, Debian != Redhat |
| 23:54.18 | liable | heh, nmap -O is showing my server as a windows machine.. |
| 23:54.21 | Yarou | Debian > Redhat |
| 23:54.30 | jcurry | stew, yay! it works! thanks so much for walking me through it! |
| 23:54.37 | spdf | Debian POOPOOS ON Redhat. |
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| 23:54.38 | tictac | ive always setup debian as 'Other Linux' |
| 23:54.41 | Yarou | lololol |
| 23:54.48 | Yarou | Debsian |
| 23:54.49 | tictac | ive never had any problem. |
| 23:54.50 | adioe3 | | Debian | (apsolute) :D |
| 23:55.00 | amphi | mlewis00: acpid & scripts under /etc/acpi? or what do you mean? |
| 23:55.02 | Yarou | hmmmmmm |
| 23:55.02 | tictac | Evo-lex: are you using the iso images to represent a cd? |
| 23:55.14 | shadowarts | how do you scroll down the process list in top? |
| 23:55.16 | tictac | Evo-lex: or are you actually using a physical cd to install? |
| 23:55.29 | Evo-lex | iso |
| 23:55.35 | Yarou | mith: perhaps you can explain something to me. |
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| 23:55.57 | tictac | Evo-lex: i doubt the 'version of linux' matters (what you setup in the config) |
| 23:56.08 | tictac | Evo-lex: did you check the md5sums on the iso? |
| 23:56.10 | Yarou | since you are vehement in saying that ratbox is better than dancer, |
| 23:56.10 | Evo-lex | yeh i get past that bit anyway |
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| 23:56.23 | Evo-lex | i get to the base system |
| 23:56.34 | Yarou | please do tell what the difference will make when i edit them |
| 23:56.45 | Yarou | like you said, they both contain the same core |
| 23:56.47 | tictac | Evo-lex: check the md5sums on the iso to the ones on the site you downloaded it. |
| 23:56.57 | Evo-lex | ok ill look |
| 23:57.01 | spdf | Evo-lex, We'll need to know what errors you're getting too. |
| 23:57.12 | bahamat | I'm trying to build the unstable version of mysql for sarge, the libmysqlclient, mysql-client and mysql-server were built, but msql-common is missing...what did I do wrong? |
| 23:57.21 | tictac | indeed. first thing is the md5sums though cause the iso is prolly borked |
| 23:58.14 | Yarou | hmm |
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| 23:58.48 | Evo-lex | it is free to download isnt it? im sure i downloaded it from a proper site, i cant remember |
| 23:59.03 | SimonRaven | bahamat: did you the 'simple sid backport'? |
| 23:59.32 | bahamat | SimonRaven: I'm not sure what that means, but I think so |
| 23:59.49 | SimonRaven | bahamat: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 23:59.50 | bahamat | SimonRaven: I added a deb-src line for unstable, then apt-get source mysql-dfsg-4.1 |
