| 00:00.01 | Kobra | thingfish: thank u very much i ve already fixed the problem |
| 00:00.05 | SimonRaven | magyar: /msg dpkg experimental. |
| 00:00.06 | thingfish | yay! |
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| 00:00.09 | SimonRaven | helix: IIRC yes |
| 00:00.12 | helix | common: try mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 00:00.15 | helix | inside the chroot |
| 00:00.18 | helix | then try running base-config |
| 00:00.24 | Inchabod | Can anyone help me with linking jack and xmms? |
| 00:00.37 | magyar | thingfish, sweet |
| 00:00.47 | common | helix: does not work |
| 00:00.54 | helix | what "does not work"? |
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| 00:01.04 | thingfish | ok gravity, so when jheri ryan wants to know how to run experimental, you'll just have to miss out. |
| 00:01.14 | common | df does not show /proc as mounted |
| 00:01.18 | Lanix | brb |
| 00:01.20 | helix | did you mount it? |
| 00:01.21 | common | even though the command did not fail |
| 00:01.23 | helix | inside the chroot? |
| 00:01.25 | common | yes |
| 00:01.26 | helix | hmm |
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| 00:01.51 | Racer_D | ah |
| 00:01.58 | Racer_D | now I see an initrd file for my kernel :) |
| 00:02.02 | Racer_D | lets try rebooting |
| 00:02.07 | Racer_D | brb |
| 00:02.08 | helix | common: what happens when you try to debootstrap sarge? |
| 00:02.10 | spoopin | common: df doesn't show proc as mounted under normal circumstances. |
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| 00:02.21 | helix | oh wait yeah |
| 00:02.26 | helix | df? does mount show it as mounted? |
| 00:02.29 | SimonRaven | oh boy |
| 00:02.34 | spoopin | common: try mount |
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| 00:02.43 | common | mount shows it 2 times |
| 00:02.46 | helix | ok |
| 00:02.52 | helix | and try to run base-config |
| 00:03.00 | common | Terminated |
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| 00:03.05 | helix | did you check the log? |
| 00:03.14 | common | i got no installer.log |
| 00:03.29 | helix | common: ok, so here's what I suggest: try to debootstrap something less volatile, like sarge |
| 00:03.33 | azeem | common: df doesn't show /proc for the main install here, either |
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| 00:03.51 | helix | df only shows physical filesystems, doesn't it? |
| 00:03.57 | azeem | yeah |
| 00:03.57 | Inchabod | Can anyone help me with jack-xmms? |
| 00:04.00 | common | yes |
| 00:04.00 | SimonRaven | no |
| 00:04.03 | helix | Inchabod: ask your question |
| 00:04.13 | SimonRaven | anything mounted, with the right option |
| 00:04.14 | Inchabod | It can't get it working period. |
| 00:04.21 | helix | what have you tried? |
| 00:04.25 | Inchabod | Everything |
| 00:04.35 | Inchabod | I got everything else working but the link between xmms and jack. |
| 00:04.39 | Inchabod | is the only thing. |
| 00:04.40 | common | helix: libldap2 gnpg libgnutls11 failed in bootstrap.log |
| 00:04.41 | helix | i feel less inclined to help for some reason |
| 00:04.48 | phildo | ;) |
| 00:04.49 | helix | common: oh my -- for sid? |
| 00:04.52 | SimonRaven | indeed |
| 00:04.58 | common | yes |
| 00:05.03 | linux_manju | Inchabod: > had you tried verything you wouldnt have asked the question |
| 00:05.04 | helix | common: can you install them by hand? |
| 00:05.05 | linux_manju | :) |
| 00:05.13 | Inchabod | I have no clue how to fix it. |
| 00:05.18 | helix | I'm guessing not, but... |
| 00:05.39 | common | helix: will try, have to edit sources.list first |
| 00:05.45 | Inchabod | It's the plugin part |
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| 00:06.07 | thc | Inchabod: you need qjackctl; the jackd package is only the jack sound server. |
| 00:06.07 | helix | common: ok. umm, hmm, another option is to debootstrap sid as variant=buildd -- it may not try to get all that ldap stuff and so forth |
| 00:06.09 | azeem | common: who told you to run base-config after debootstrap, anyway? |
| 00:06.18 | SimonRaven | i'd more more inclined to help if you explained what exactly you're trying to do, and went into some detail of what you have tried |
| 00:06.18 | phildo | guys, i had duel boot, grub was installed on a windows hdd that died. :| i care not for windows, what's the best way to replace grub on another drive (with debian installed..)? |
| 00:06.24 | magyar | SimonRaven, where do i get initramfs-tools? |
| 00:06.27 | Inchabod | thc, I didn't get that package ;) |
| 00:06.34 | Inchabod | I been using the real sources. |
| 00:06.36 | SimonRaven | magyar: you install it |
| 00:06.43 | Inchabod | and I have oddcast and all that other stuff. |
| 00:06.48 | Inchabod | but the part I can't get working is |
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| 00:06.50 | Inchabod | xmms-jack |
| 00:06.52 | SimonRaven | Inchabod: what does real sources mean? |
| 00:06.57 | Inchabod | Like |
| 00:07.01 | Inchabod | instead of using packages. |
| 00:07.05 | Inchabod | I used *.sf.net |
| 00:07.08 | common | azeem: some howto |
| 00:07.09 | spoopin | phildo: can you boot the box? |
| 00:07.19 | magyar | SimonRaven, its not there, i changed sid to experimental updated repositories but cant fint initramfs |
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| 00:07.28 | phildo | spoopin it wont boot, because theres no boot loader, but i can boot off a sarge cd.. |
| 00:07.36 | thc | phildo: /msg dpkg fixmbr |
| 00:07.43 | azeem | common: well, I guess you'll have to dig into base-config's code then |
| 00:07.45 | SimonRaven | magyar: uh, why did you do that? you add experimental, you don't change sid to it |
| 00:07.48 | phildo | ta ;) |
| 00:07.49 | azeem | common: I don't think this is supported |
| 00:08.00 | SimonRaven | magyar: experimental isn't like sid, it's incomplete |
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| 00:08.03 | helix | that is so not a good suggestion, azeem :| |
| 00:08.08 | spoopin | phildo: right.. what he said ;) |
| 00:08.12 | azeem | common: probably base-config looks for some debian-installer seeded debconf stuff and exits as there is none |
| 00:08.16 | common | azeem: actually debootstrap tried to run base-config itself |
| 00:08.23 | helix | azeem: and fwiw, running base-config from within chroots is supported |
| 00:08.26 | azeem | oh? |
| 00:08.27 | phildo | woot, simple ;) |
| 00:08.29 | phildo | thanks. |
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| 00:08.31 | helix | I believe so |
| 00:08.31 | magyar | SimonRaven, roger, thanks |
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| 00:08.52 | azeem | common: when does it run base-config? |
| 00:08.56 | helix | azeem: but you may be right, hrm |
| 00:09.00 | Inchabod | libjack.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 00:09.04 | Inchabod | I did a debug deal |
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| 00:09.10 | azeem | helix: I was saying "oh?" to what common said |
| 00:09.18 | helix | ok |
| 00:09.20 | azeem | it might be supported, not sure |
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| 00:09.27 | plb | hm anyone else experience a blank screen followed by nice lock up after installing nvidia drivers? |
| 00:09.31 | helix | common: wait, debootstrap tried to run base-config? I don't think I believe you |
| 00:09.33 | SimonRaven | magyar: also, it'll have a priority much lower so that it disappears from say aptitude or dselect. read the factoid again |
| 00:09.43 | azeem | it's just that base-config has much more business with d-i than debootstrap these days I thought |
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| 00:10.01 | thc | plb: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 00:10.15 | plb | thanks |
| 00:10.25 | common | helix: look at http://phpfi.com/84579 last 7 lines |
| 00:10.34 | magyar | factoid? |
| 00:10.37 | azeem | common: that's something else |
| 00:10.42 | azeem | common: it's running dpkg --configure |
| 00:10.47 | azeem | more or less |
| 00:10.53 | helix | yeah |
| 00:10.57 | sussudio | helix: http://www.weirfield.co.uk/downloads/badgers%20800.jpg |
| 00:11.10 | helix | I'm curious why it failed to configure the base packages |
| 00:11.10 | azeem | common: can you dig up that howto which laid out this install route? |
| 00:11.13 | Cheikh | is it possible to have gcc 3 and gcc 4 installed at the same time |
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| 00:11.25 | sussudio | Cheikh: yes |
| 00:11.31 | helix | sussudio: oh my, they are so cute |
| 00:11.35 | nocxium | I never use aptitude or dselect |
| 00:11.37 | ricochet | question: I seem to have installed all the spell checkers/language packs for openoffice, but oo refuses to catch misspelled words. why? |
| 00:11.46 | sussudio | badgers > * |
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| 00:12.06 | Cheikh | is there any trick to it or just apt -get them all |
| 00:12.18 | common | http://www.inittab.de/manuals/debootstrap.html azeem |
| 00:13.03 | azeem | common: which Debian version are you trying to install? |
| 00:13.04 | shay | Cheikh, just apt-get them, they'll have different names |
| 00:13.04 | helix | nobse probably knows what he's talking about |
| 00:13.09 | spoopin | common: are you sure that is an up-to-date mirror you're drawing packages from? |
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| 00:13.21 | Cheikh | ok thanks |
| 00:13.25 | shay | Cheikh, "gcc" will be a symbolic link, you can change the symbolic link to gcc-3.3 and gcc-4.0 |
| 00:13.35 | nocxium | I only use apt |
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| 00:14.10 | helix | common: may I gently recommend you try with something that's not sid? |
| 00:14.11 | Inchabod | Can someone help me with this error. |
| 00:14.15 | Inchabod | It is whenI startup xmms. |
| 00:14.24 | azeem | oh, right |
| 00:14.26 | Inchabod | The error is 2 lines. |
| 00:14.30 | azeem | common: this howto is for woody |
| 00:14.33 | helix | Inchabod: are you going to paste it? |
| 00:14.35 | Guerin | ricochet: there are a bunch of tricks you have to pull to make oo.o do spellchecking |
| 00:14.36 | Inchabod | Yes. |
| 00:14.44 | azeem | common: however, base-config has changed considerably since then |
| 00:14.45 | Inchabod | libjack.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 00:14.47 | Inchabod | libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 00:14.55 | helix | Inchabod: install mikmod stuff |
| 00:14.56 | azeem | as I said, it is now tightly coupled to debian-installer |
| 00:14.59 | Racer_D | kernel works |
| 00:15.00 | helix | and whatever has libjack in it |
| 00:15.01 | Racer_D | tnx guys :) |
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| 00:15.13 | azeem | common: so I guess you cannot go this route anymore, at least not with sarge, etch or sid, sorry |
| 00:15.14 | common | azeem: good to know there are undoc changes :\ |
| 00:15.21 | azeem | common: undoc? |
| 00:15.26 | helix | common: they are not undocumented |
| 00:15.29 | azeem | common: the howto is for woody |
| 00:15.39 | Guerin | ricochet: the most common is that you need to be using a font you have installed - if, say, your document is using times new roman, and you don't have it installed, oo.o will use times instead - looks the same, but spellchecking won't work |
| 00:15.42 | helix | common: you are trying to install sid which this does not say to try :) |
| 00:15.46 | azeem | and it is not an official way to install Debian anyway |
| 00:15.47 | common | so debootstrap is not possible any longer? |
| 00:15.54 | plb | nope the nvidia one liner didn't do the trick I still a blank screen =\ |
| 00:15.56 | azeem | common: sure, but don't run base-config |
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| 00:16.03 | helix | common: or *install woody* |
| 00:16.06 | helix | then upgrade |
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| 00:16.21 | Guerin | ricochet: another thing is that you need to check the language of the document: select all and set it to whatever language you want; then make sure you have a dictionary loaded and selected for that language |
| 00:16.27 | Inchabod | ooo an extra hour of sleep |
| 00:16.28 | Guerin | ricochet: it's stupidly difficult sometimes |
| 00:16.28 | Inchabod | tommorow |
| 00:16.30 | azeem | common: install a kernel, run apt-setup and configure hostname /etc/hosts and /etc/networkin/interfaces etc. if this is not done already |
| 00:16.30 | common | ... then the system will be as broken as it was before |
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| 00:16.42 | azeem | common: but may I ask why you are not using debian-installer? |
| 00:16.48 | nse | Hello everybody! Is there a way to change the gnome-keyring password!? I can't remember it, nothing with gksu is working.. |
| 00:17.01 | common | yes, i got no optical drive, so i have to pxe boot it |
| 00:17.03 | azeem | common: sid is unstable. It is not expected to be installable all the time |
| 00:17.07 | nocxium | dpkg -l is always helpfull |
| 00:17.08 | dpkg | ii is always helpfull 3.9-1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 00:17.13 | azeem | common: you can run debian-installer with pxe |
| 00:17.21 | common | link? |
| 00:17.38 | azeem | common: anyway, the only way to get unstable is to install stable (or maybe testing) and then upgrade |
| 00:17.45 | azeem | common: it's in the Install manual, I believe |
| 00:17.47 | ricochet | Guerin: thanks. maybe dpkg should have that info |
| 00:18.00 | Guerin | ricochet: yeah, maybe. |
| 00:18.05 | azeem | common: I did it with Ubuntu and a X40 (which has no optical drive) |
| 00:18.10 | azeem | took a while, but it worked |
| 00:18.10 | Guerin | ricochet: it's all documented on oo.o, i think |
| 00:18.13 | Inchabod | helix, I still got the libjack.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory error. |
| 00:18.14 | Elly | I am now convinced |
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| 00:18.18 | common | new debbootstrap sucks bad |
| 00:18.21 | Elly | that winesetup and wine exist in totally different universes |
| 00:18.26 | Elly | settings in one do not affect the other |
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| 00:18.32 | azeem | common: I think this is uncalled for |
| 00:18.46 | azeem | common: why do you need unstable, anyway? |
| 00:19.16 | plb | so anyone else have an idea of why nvidia drivers are giving me a blank screen.....using testing btw |
| 00:19.21 | plb | kernel 2.6.12 |
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| 00:19.47 | Dasnipa` | when i did it i had to do something slightly differant than the tutorial said |
| 00:19.47 | Guerin | plb: how did you install them? |
| 00:20.11 | Dasnipa` | but then again, after i did it my JRE broke and SDL video modes dont work |
| 00:20.13 | plb | Guerin: followed this guide http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
| 00:20.20 | plb | it has worked in the past |
| 00:21.08 | Guerin | !nvidia one liner |
| 00:21.09 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia one-liner was update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 00:21.20 | Guerin | plb: worked great, except it didn't work at all |
| 00:21.33 | Guerin | plb: undo what you did and do the one-liner |
| 00:21.53 | nocxium | !hald |
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| 00:22.28 | plb | Guerin: hm ok |
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| 00:23.50 | common | i run unstable for 4 years |
| 00:23.58 | common | so i'll keep this standard |
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| 00:25.46 | nocxium | !dbus |
| 00:25.47 | dpkg | methinks dbus is D-BUS, or http://www.freedesktop.org/software/dbus/ or #dbus |
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| 00:29.00 | plb | Guerin: nope still didn't work |
| 00:29.08 | plb | just get a blank screen and then everything locks up |
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| 00:29.21 | common | https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
| 00:29.27 | common | this states the same way |
| 00:29.31 | common | and does not work too |
| 00:29.33 | Guerin | plb: oh well. sucks to be using nvidia drivers. |
| 00:29.41 | Guerin | common: hello. |
| 00:29.45 | Guerin | common: unstable changes |
| 00:29.49 | Guerin | common: get used to it |
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| 00:31.24 | common | i wont care about changes, as long as there is a way to install it using pxe |
| 00:31.26 | azeem | common: again, installing unstable directly is not supported |
| 00:31.33 | nse | Someone here knows what to do with gnome-keyring!? |
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| 00:32.22 | ktk2 | wich program should I use on sarge to open rar files ? |
| 00:32.30 | common | unrar |
| 00:32.59 | SimonRaven | nse: how about you start by reading the provided docs in /usr/share/doc/<package name>? |
| 00:33.08 | ktk2 | common, I've tried aptitude install unrar an it wasn't detected as a package |
| 00:33.18 | azeem | ktk2: it's non-free |
| 00:33.51 | ktk2 | azeem, there is no way to open a rar file on sarge ? |
| 00:34.04 | nocxium | !gkrellm |
| 00:34.05 | dpkg | gkrellm just rocks. http://gkrellm.net, or have a look at http://gkrellm.luon.net for 4 cool plugins If you have seen the movie Forbidden Planet, you might recall the Krell had a room with wall to wall meters for monitoring their power systems, and that is what I was thinking of when I came up with the GKrellM name. |
| 00:34.14 | common | azeem: so you got a link that could tell me howto install >= etch with pxe? |
| 00:34.37 | ktk2 | I'm migrating from Ubuntu today and once I've used a package on ubuntu that were able to extract and compress rar files |
| 00:34.40 | azeem | common: dude |
| 00:34.45 | common | lday |
| 00:34.46 | azeem | common: 1. install sarge |
| 00:34.51 | azeem | common: 2. upgrade to unstable |
| 00:35.02 | SimonRaven | @tell ktk2 -about non-free |
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| 00:35.12 | nse | SimonRaven: thanks, I'm not used to do this.. |
| 00:35.21 | common | i cant boot optical devices, all i can do is pxe boot a recent knoppix |
| 00:35.35 | azeem | common: why don't you pxe boot sarge? |
| 00:35.40 | azeem | ktk2: there is also unrar-free, but it is only in unstable |
| 00:35.53 | common | azeem: i'd have to install sarge first somewhere? |
| 00:36.06 | hujer | hi anyone installed 2.6.14 kernel from unstable ? |
| 00:36.07 | nse | SimonRaven: What are the flags needed to apt-get remove to remove a package ignoring the removal of packages that depends on the first? |
| 00:36.26 | azeem | common: I repeatedly told you that you can install sarge via pxe |
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| 00:36.37 | SimonRaven | nse: er, what? |
| 00:36.42 | common | you repeatedly asked for a link |
| 00:36.45 | SimonRaven | hujer: not yet. |
| 00:36.49 | common | aeh i asked you |
| 00:36.58 | azeem | common: I said it is in the install manual |
| 00:37.36 | azeem | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s06.html.en |
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| 00:37.49 | hujer | i think the linux-headers pkg for 2.6.14 is borked :( |
| 00:37.57 | nocxium | !gkhdplop |
| 00:38.13 | nse | SimonRaven: Sorry, apt-get remove gnome-keyring wants to remove 216MB of packages, it is very strange that all those packages depends on such a package, gnome-kerying, used to store passwords for programs.. I want to remove it, becouse it still on beta development. |
| 00:38.31 | azeem | nse: who said it's beta? |
| 00:38.52 | SimonRaven | nse: you sure that's the only thing? use something else, like aptitude or dselect. and beta? |
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| 00:39.46 | nse | azeem, SimonRaven: I mean, gnome-keyring is not beta, but gnome-keyring-manager is. and i can't find a way to change it's password! |
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| 00:40.14 | SimonRaven | RTFM like i told you 5 minutes ago |
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| 00:40.40 | nse | there's no manual |
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| 00:42.15 | opti | which kernel driver should i use for an 'IC Plus IP1000 Family Gigabit Ethernet Adapter' ? |
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| 00:43.05 | Gigs | Where can I get the .config that was used to configure the packaged default kernels? I got the kernel-source package for my kernel but it doesn't seem to have it. |
| 00:43.23 | Gigs | and /proc/config.gz doesn't seem to be configured in this one |
| 00:43.33 | thingfish | Gigs: get the headers packages. there's a .config inside. |
| 00:44.14 | Gigs | ah ok thanks |
| 00:44.17 | thingfish | np |
| 00:44.21 | Gnea | Gigs: check /boot/config-<version> |
| 00:44.29 | thingfish | that too |
| 00:44.33 | Gnea | :) |
| 00:44.33 | Gigs | thanks too :) |
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| 00:45.02 | thingfish | !pork |
| 00:45.07 | thingfish | :/ |
| 00:45.13 | Inchabod | When opening xmms, libjack.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 00:45.33 | Inchabod | !libjack |
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| 00:45.53 | Sagan | hi, where can I change the settings for display in Debian, please |
| 00:46.01 | thingfish | dpkg: pork is yummy yummy, bacon or ham, pickled pigs' feet or even Spam! |
| 00:46.13 | thingfish | oops |
| 00:46.14 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 00:46.49 | oramirez_ | brb |
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| 00:47.50 | thc | Inchabod: apt-get install libjack0.80.0-0 libjack0.80.0-dev |
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| 00:49.52 | concept10 | is it possible to upgrade from sarge to ubuntu breezy and downgrade again without complete kaos? |
| 00:50.16 | bbrazil | concept10: very, very unlikely |
| 00:50.54 | bbrazil | concept10: even etch->sid->etch will cause you big problems |
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| 00:51.14 | concept10 | bbrazil, alright |
| 00:51.37 | thingfish | the real question is what drives you psychologically to be tempted to do such counter-intuitional stunts. |
| 00:51.55 | concept10 | I want to keep my server sarge but they have mythtv packages in breezy |
| 00:52.14 | bbrazil | concept10: check apt-get.org |
| 00:52.19 | bbrazil | concept10: or compile from source |
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| 00:54.36 | nocxium | hm - I lock my doors and play eve for the winter - |
| 00:55.06 | thingfish | ...ok... |
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| 00:56.03 | Guerin | concept10: build the ubuntu source on your sarge box |
| 00:56.10 | Guerin | concept10: it should build cleanly |
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| 00:59.18 | magyar | is there a way to tell mplayer in the "preferences tab" to show full screen when "full screen" is selected? |
| 00:59.47 | roz | does anyone know whether the netinst images from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ include xfs support? |
| 01:00.06 | Inchabod | thc, I still get the error. |
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| 01:01.05 | Gigs | I'm still trying to get my cdrom working in 2.6. I had gone back to 2.4 for a quick fix, but I'd really like to run 2.6. Modules cdrom ide_core ide_cd and ide_disk are loaded. The CDROM is not mentioned in any boot files, and /dev/hdc (actually /dev/hd*) does not exist. No /dev/cdrom either. It's a standard IDE ATAPI CDROM, works in 2.4 and in 2.6 on other distros. |
| 01:01.25 | Gigs | kernel is 2.6.8-2-k7 from the core distro |
| 01:01.46 | Guerin | Gigs: try a new kernel from etch or sid |
| 01:02.06 | Gigs | k |
| 01:02.38 | Guerin | Gigs: download linux-image-2.6.13-1-k7 from packages.d.o |
| 01:03.25 | Gigs | can I apt-get -t unstable install linux-image-2.6-k7 ? |
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| 01:03.35 | Gigs | I've set up preferences for pinning |
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| 01:05.34 | Guerin | Gigs: pinning is unwise unless you know exactly what you're doing, but if you have it set up, give it a crack |
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| 01:05.42 | Jimmymaniac | Question: how do you upload files in lynx? just putting the filename fails, full path or not... |
| 01:06.02 | Guerin | Jimmymaniac: using what mechanism? |
| 01:06.07 | Gigs | Guerin: yes I'll probably get myself into trouble with pinning, but at least this machine isn't exposed to the net directly :) |
| 01:06.37 | Racer_D | Jimmymaniac: have you tried adding file:// ? |
| 01:07.17 | thc | Inchabod: don't know what to tell you. jackd and qjackctl worked fine for me as soon as i installed them. check to make sure you don't have multiple instances of jackd running. |
| 01:07.37 | Inchabod | I'm using ubuntu, Would that madder? |
| 01:07.45 | thc | *plonk* |
| 01:07.47 | Inchabod | What do you think would be causing it. |
| 01:08.00 | thc | f***ing waste of time. |
| 01:08.12 | Inchabod | lol |
| 01:08.18 | bcc | hi guys, is there a way to simulate keystrokes in a screen session? |
| 01:08.27 | bcc | screen -X does not seem to do it |
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| 01:09.02 | Guerin | Inchabod: why are you even asking us? Are you asking in #fedora and #gentoo as well? |
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| 01:09.44 | Inchabod | No |
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| 01:09.52 | Inchabod | I just asked in #ubuntu |
| 01:09.56 | Inchabod | and #debian. |
| 01:10.04 | Inchabod | because ubuntu ~= debian |
| 01:10.13 | thingfish | what is it with other distros, support, and this channel? I've hung out in other channels, and *no* other distro's channel gets support requests outside of the distro like #debian does. |
| 01:10.15 | Guerin | Inchabod: see, that's where you're wrong |
| 01:10.28 | Guerin | !ubuntu |
| 01:10.28 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 01:10.37 | Guerin | Inchabod: Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 01:10.49 | Guerin | Inchabod: if it's good enough for him, why is it not good enough for you? |
| 01:10.55 | MickMcMack | thingfish, it's because they know the Debian people know their stuff. >_> |
| 01:10.56 | Inchabod | I don't see one in your top |
| 01:10.57 | Inchabod | topic* |
| 01:11.03 | Inchabod | I asked in #ubuntu becaus eI can I use ubunut |
| 01:11.05 | Inchabod | ubuntu* |
| 01:11.11 | Inchabod | but in this channel it doesn't say that. |
| 01:11.13 | maatttt | hi, i've just installed Stable and in exim-config I selected Internet Site SMTP, I sent mail as root and it arrived but root addy is root@localhost.localdomain, how do i change this please ? |
| 01:11.41 | bbrazil | maatttt: $EDITOR /etc/aliases; newaliases |
| 01:12.17 | Inchabod | and Guerin , Linux is a kernel, Therefore unless i'm asking something for a specific distro I can ask it in any of those channels. |
| 01:12.23 | Inchabod | Oddcast != Ubuntu |
| 01:12.24 | Inchabod | :) |
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| 01:12.31 | Jimmymaniac | sorry, pizza arrived :) |
| 01:12.42 | Jimmymaniac | Racer_D: yep, and quoting it too |
| 01:12.47 | maatttt | thnak you. |
| 01:12.55 | Guerin | Inchabod: but you're not asking about the linux kernel, you're asking about a specific package of jack |
| 01:13.01 | Jimmymaniac | Guerin: the typical "Upload file here" box |
| 01:13.10 | Guerin | Jimmymaniac: hrm, doesn't work? |
| 01:13.13 | Inchabod | No |
| 01:13.13 | bbrazil | Inchabod: you question is not about linux. your problem is package dependancies/linking |
| 01:13.16 | Inchabod | It's on sf. |
| 01:13.17 | Guerin | Jimmymaniac: just doesn't send the file? |
| 01:13.23 | thingfish | Inchabod: you can ask about bacon in #kosher, doesn't mean you're going to get answers. |
| 01:13.31 | Inchabod | It's on sourceforge |
| 01:13.32 | Inchabod | ;) |
| 01:13.45 | Inchabod | Not a package |
| 01:13.57 | Guerin | Inchabod: what, apart from nothing, does that have to do with anything? |
| 01:14.09 | Jimmymaniac | says something like "Alert!: Can't open file for uploading" |
| 01:14.09 | Inchabod | What does it have to do with just ubuntu? |
| 01:14.13 | Inchabod | and not debian? |
| 01:14.23 | Inchabod | O.o |
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| 01:14.45 | Gigs | Guerin: ls -l /dev/hd* ls: /dev/hd*: No such file or directory |
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| 01:14.50 | Guerin | Inchabod: the OS you have installed is ubuntu, right? |
| 01:14.59 | Inchabod | No |
| 01:15.02 | Inchabod | Ubuntu isn't an os |
| 01:15.03 | Inchabod | ;) |
| 01:15.04 | Guerin | Gigs: weirdness. Try making the device with makedev? |
| 01:15.06 | Gigs | 2.6.12-1-k7 |
| 01:15.09 | Guerin | Inchabod: isn't it? |
| 01:15.16 | Gigs | Guerin: it says it doesn't work with udev |
| 01:15.17 | Inchabod | Ubuntu isn't an OS Foo! |
| 01:15.27 | Guerin | Inchabod: is it not? Really? |
| 01:15.29 | Inchabod | No |
| 01:15.34 | Guerin | Inchabod: why not/ |
| 01:15.35 | Guerin | ? |
| 01:15.40 | Inchabod | It's a distribution you idiot. |
| 01:15.41 | Inchabod | Rofl |
| 01:15.49 | Inchabod | Linux is a OS but barely. |
| 01:15.50 | Guerin | Inchabod: a distribution of what? |
| 01:15.58 | Inchabod | Your an idiot. |
| 01:15.59 | bbrazil | Gigs: cd /dev; ./makedev /dev/hdc (or something like that) assuming no udev/devfs |
| 01:16.00 | Guerin | Inchabod: linux isn't an OS, it's an OS kernel. |
| 01:16.03 | Guerin | Inchabod: you're |
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| 01:16.04 | thingfish | troll troll troll troll... |
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| 01:16.10 | MickMcMack | Linux is more of a title that a lot of liscensing (sp) comes under, no? |
| 01:16.18 | Guerin | MickMcMack: no. |
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| 01:16.31 | MickMcMack | Ok then. :) |
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| 01:16.33 | bbrazil | hmm - linux is a trademark |
| 01:16.38 | Gigs | bbrazil: it's seemingly not doing anything, but it's not complaining about udev like it did in 2.6.8 |
| 01:16.44 | Inchabod | Windows = OS, Ubuntu != OS, Guerin |
| 01:16.47 | bbrazil | Gigs: are you using udev? |
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| 01:16.58 | bbrazil | Gigs: check output of mount |
| 01:16.59 | Guerin | Inchabod: you're simply wrong. |
| 01:17.11 | Guerin | Inchabod: ubuntu is one distribution of the gnu/linus OS |
| 01:17.15 | Guerin | Inchabod: and it's not debian |
| 01:17.18 | Inchabod | Wow, I'm not even going to debate with you, I can sense your stupidity from accross the coutry. |
| 01:17.23 | Gigs | bbrazil: tmpfs on /dev type tmpfs that? |
| 01:17.27 | Guerin | Inchabod: which country? |
| 01:17.29 | thingfish | oh plonksville |
| 01:17.35 | Inchabod | You said that ubuntu is a OS newb |
| 01:17.38 | Guerin | oh right |
| 01:17.41 | Inchabod | now you said it's a distribution of an os. |
| 01:17.45 | Guerin | Inchabod: it IS a fucking OS |
| 01:17.49 | bbrazil | Gigs: huh? that doesn't sound right. /dev/tmpfs maybe |
| 01:18.03 | Guerin | Inchabod: know what, windows has distributions too |
| 01:18.12 | Guerin | Inchabod: don't make it not an OS |
| 01:18.13 | Inchabod | Not really rofl |
| 01:18.14 | Inchabod | xD |
| 01:18.19 | Inchabod | Windows = the OS |
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| 01:18.37 | Guerin | Inchabod: windows has home edition, professional; retail and OEM |
| 01:18.48 | MickMcMack | Guerin, I always thought that Linux refered to a group of programs, OS's distros that came under a different type of liscensing... Different, for example, from the BSD license, that allows one to modify the source, and not have to release the modified source to the public... |
| 01:18.55 | roral | windows media edition |
| 01:19.11 | Guerin | roral: right. |
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| 01:19.22 | Gigs | bbrazil: I didn't do anything custom here in regard to that... I installed sarge and it came with 2.4, then I installed the default 2.6-k7 image, then on Guerin's recommendation I installed the kernel from unstable, 2.6.12-1-k7 |
| 01:19.22 | Gigs | bbrazil: the cdrom works in 2.4 but not in either 2.6 I've tried so far |
| 01:19.28 | bbrazil | MickMcMack: nope. linux==kernel It *commonly* refers to the OS, but this is technically incorrect |
| 01:19.28 | Inchabod | Actually theres a difference between version and distribution, silly. |
| 01:19.33 | maatttt | sorry, I do not understand the comment about aliases, can you expand on it ? |
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| 01:19.36 | phobos | hello |
| 01:19.39 | Guerin | Inchabod: i never mentioned version |
| 01:19.44 | Inchabod | No |
| 01:19.47 | Inchabod | exactly why your a foo |
| 01:19.48 | Guerin | Inchabod: now, there are many distributions of gnu/linux - each of them is an OS |
| 01:19.55 | Guerin | Inchabod: you're |
| 01:20.00 | Inchabod | Windows XP = Version |
| 01:20.05 | Guerin | Inchabod: bullshit |
| 01:20.07 | Inchabod | Windows 98 = Version |
| 01:20.11 | Inchabod | xD |
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| 01:20.21 | Guerin | Inchabod: you're just dead wrong. |
| 01:20.42 | Guerin | Inchabod: in any case, your OS is ubuntu, not debian. So your questions about it are not welcome here. |
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| 01:20.53 | Inchabod | UBUNTU ISNT AN OS NEWB! |
| 01:20.55 | Inchabod | Rofl |
| 01:20.56 | chuck_gr | i dont know Guerin, Inchabod seems to be making sense to me |
| 01:20.58 | Guerin | Inchabod: whether you like that fact or not, it IS a fact. |
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| 01:21.16 | Guerin | chuck_gr: then you're wrong, too. |
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| 01:21.17 | Inchabod | Thank you ch |
| 01:21.20 | Inchabod | chuck_gr, * |
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| 01:21.30 | Inchabod | At least someone is smart. |
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| 01:21.42 | Matthew | UBUNTU IS NOT AN OS! |
| 01:21.50 | Inchabod | Deffinantly not |
| 01:21.51 | Matthew | ...but can come with one in it! |
| 01:21.51 | Inchabod | jeeze |
| 01:21.59 | thingfish | right - it's a p.o.s. |
| 01:22.00 | Guerin | Matthew: oh, fuck off. |
| 01:22.06 | Inchabod | Guerin, You are wrong. |
| 01:22.11 | Inchabod | ubuntu is not an os not at all. |
| 01:22.12 | Guerin | Inchabod: proof |
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| 01:22.12 | nekostar | meh |
| 01:22.12 | chuck_gr | i think Ubuntu is a pain in the a@@ |
| 01:22.23 | Inchabod | Ubuntu = Distribution of linux the OS. |
| 01:22.25 | Guerin | Inchabod: why are there multiple releases of windows XP if windows XP is ONE version of windows? |
| 01:22.30 | Zyepher | chuck_gr: correct! |
| 01:22.32 | nekostar | debian packages can hurt it so yeah distro sure |
| 01:22.36 | roral | the linux kernel is an OS. But it's no use without the packages that come with distributions. |
| 01:22.38 | Guerin | Inchabod: linux isn't an OS, it's an OS KERNEL |
| 01:22.40 | Guerin | HELLO |
| 01:22.48 | Inchabod | Actually your wrong about that |
| 01:22.48 | Gigs | Who the hell cares about semantics... it's channel policy to not deal with anything but real debian. Get over it. |
| 01:22.51 | Guerin | a kernel IS NOT an OS on its own |
| 01:22.53 | Inchabod | it's both |
| 01:22.55 | Inchabod | ;) |
| 01:22.57 | Guerin | Gigs: right on. |
| 01:22.58 | chuck_gr | actually i thought the OS was gnu/linux |
| 01:23.01 | thingfish | no it's not, Guerin is right. |
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| 01:23.05 | Guerin | chuck_gr: it is. |
| 01:23.13 | Inchabod | It technically is a kernel. |
| 01:23.15 | Inchabod | which I stated before |
| 01:23.19 | Inchabod | way up there ^^^ |
| 01:23.24 | Guerin | the main point here is that Inchabod is a troll |
| 01:23.27 | thingfish | amen |
| 01:23.31 | Guerin | who's using ubuntu |
| 01:23.36 | Guerin | and so should fuck off |
| 01:23.36 | Zyepher | used to |
| 01:23.44 | rking | for those saying the kernel is not the OS, what else is necessary before it counts as an OS? (i'm curious) |
| 01:23.44 | thingfish | !ops Inchabod is a nasty ubuntu-using troll! |
| 01:23.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: Inchabod is a nasty ubuntu-using troll! |
| 01:23.46 | phobos_ | does anybody use kernel 2.6.14 and the latest ipw2200 drivers? |
| 01:23.46 | chuck_gr | oh Inchabod you use ubuntu? |
| 01:23.49 | nekostar | wow |
| 01:23.51 | nekostar | see Guerin |
| 01:23.56 | bbrazil | Gigs: I'm trying to think. anything of note in dmesg output? how about loading the scsi emulation modules for ide? |
| 01:23.57 | nekostar | thats how you win ppl to debian |
| 01:24.01 | nekostar | tell em to fuck off |
| 01:24.08 | Gigs | bbrazil: do those even work in 2.6? |
| 01:24.14 | nekostar | instead of telling them how much better debian can really be |
| 01:24.21 | bbrazil | Gigs: yip - I know I use them |
| 01:24.21 | nekostar | and beautiful and useful :) |
| 01:24.21 | Inchabod | chuck_gr, Yes I do, The DISTRIBUTION! |
| 01:24.27 | Guerin | nekostar: yeah, because we didn't try to help him at first, and then reason with him nicely when he said he was using ubuntu |
| 01:24.35 | bbrazil | Gigs: they are going for native ide cd writer support though |
| 01:24.39 | nekostar | yeah |
| 01:24.41 | nekostar | i understand |
| 01:24.42 | thingfish | if he had any interest in doing anything other than being a troll, he'd have gotten a better reception, now wouldn't he have. |
| 01:24.49 | nekostar | but you come over the top pretty hard some times |
| 01:24.50 | Guerin | nekostar: we never do, and it's not in the FAQ that nondebian is offtopic |
| 01:24.54 | nekostar | how goes the weekend anyway>? |
| 01:24.54 | Gigs | bbrazil: as far as I can see there's no mention of the cdrom in any boot logs, or in dmesg, when 2.6 is loaded.. when 2.4 is loaded I get a couple lines about it setting it up |
| 01:24.55 | Inchabod | When they have an OS of Ubuntu I won't get it. |
| 01:24.56 | dondelelcaro | Inchabod: Ubuntu is OT here, please take it elsewhere. |
| 01:25.08 | chuck_gr | Inchabod, i agree ubuntu us a distro... i think it sucks but that is just my personal opinion |
| 01:25.09 | Inchabod | Guerin, Started it I believe. |
| 01:25.14 | thc | nekostar: when a ubuntu user comes in and wastes other user's time because they fail to disclose that they aren't even actually running Debain, they can fuck *right* off. |
| 01:25.14 | Guerin | hah |
| 01:25.18 | thc | s/a/an/ |
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| 01:25.22 | Inchabod | I was just talking about oddcast. |
| 01:25.25 | Gigs | bbrazil: the module "cdrom" is loaded in 2.6 |
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| 01:25.28 | dondelelcaro | please, take the ENTIRE Ubuntu discussion ELSEWHERE. |
| 01:25.33 | thingfish | well put there, thc. |
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| 01:25.34 | nekostar | notice here |
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| 01:25.38 | nekostar | i DO run ubuntu.. |
| 01:25.39 | bbrazil | Gigs: what's your boot command line for lilo/grub? |
| 01:25.41 | Inchabod | Certainly dondelelcaro ;) |
| 01:25.43 | pro | dpkg, e2fsprogs |
| 01:25.43 | dpkg | e2fsprogs is, like, if you are getting a messages about Force LoopBreak a likely cause is that you are trying to upgrade pre-stable packages to testing which isnt' supported. you should fully upgrade to the current stable before upgrading to testing,ask me about <force loopbreak> |
| 01:25.54 | nekostar | but its often short on packages so i end up stealing from a good debain distro... |
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| 01:26.03 | dondelelcaro | nekostar: that's great, but it's OT here. |
| 01:26.03 | pro | dpkg, force loopbreak |
| 01:26.03 | dpkg | 'apt-get -o APT::Force-LoopBreak=1 dist-upgrade'. Fix suggested by xk. Then you can remove or purge outdated packages after the upgrade. |
| 01:26.08 | nekostar | but then again im learning towards dropping the buntu and going ebian |
| 01:26.12 | thingfish | and might I say again, thc, that I really really really really do like your nick. |
| 01:26.14 | nekostar | yeah |
| 01:26.16 | nekostar | anyway |
| 01:26.21 | chuck_gr | nekostar, why ubuntu and not pure debian? |
| 01:26.23 | nekostar | sorry for the offtopicness |
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| 01:26.33 | nekostar | b/c chuck_gr im a newb |
| 01:26.38 | Gigs | bbrazil: I don't know, my conf files for them aren't in /etc... where does debian put them? |
| 01:26.41 | nekostar | and i dont take well to being hollered at |
| 01:26.46 | nekostar | :P |
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| 01:26.51 | phobos_ | does anybody use kernel 2.6.14 and the latest ipw2200 drivers? |
| 01:26.55 | chuck_gr | nekostar the new debian installer is actually very good |
| 01:26.57 | bbrazil | Gigs: I dunno about grub, but lilo would be /etc/lilo.conf |
| 01:26.59 | nekostar | trying to see where/how things work/what i actually need... |
| 01:27.00 | thc | thingfish: lots of people do! |
| 01:27.06 | secher | is anyone else noticing ftp.uk.debian.org being incredibly slow? |
| 01:27.06 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:27.07 | Guerin | Gigs: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 01:27.16 | Gigs | Guerin: thanks |
| 01:27.26 | thingfish | thc: yes, I'm sure you're very popular at parties. |
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| 01:27.27 | nekostar | i tried sarge when it was testing or experimental... christmas time last year... |
| 01:27.35 | Gigs | bbrazil: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-1-k7 root=/dev/sda1 ro |
| 01:27.40 | nekostar | which was um kinda freaky as it was my first linux install :P |
| 01:27.52 | bbrazil | Gigs: you're on scsi hdds? |
| 01:28.02 | Gigs | bbrazil: it's sata for the hard disks |
| 01:28.06 | thc | nekostar: if you successfully installed ubuntu, you can install sarge. |
| 01:28.09 | roral | secher: seems ok from here |
| 01:28.14 | nekostar | but im gonna toss denbian on my local server [not desktop yet] in a week or so |
| 01:28.24 | nekostar | that easy thc ? |
| 01:28.35 | nekostar | o.O |
| 01:28.37 | thingfish | nekostar: it's so easy you can't believe. |
| 01:28.41 | bbrazil | Gigs: I'm lost at this point. if you come back to be in 2 weeks I'll probably know the answer |
| 01:28.48 | thc | nekostar: same installer, ubuntu uses debian's installer (at least it used to) |
| 01:28.48 | bbrazil | *me |
| 01:28.52 | nekostar | wow.. im missing out... i remember debian was flying too |
| 01:28.56 | Gigs | bbrazil: hehe |
| 01:29.01 | chuck_gr | nekostar, i broke many debian installs, but i figured why run a debain based distro like ubuntu or Mepis or any other of the dozens out there when i could run the real deal |
| 01:29.03 | nekostar | hrm.. |
| 01:29.12 | thingfish | hehe it's just debian's users that are flying... |
| 01:29.14 | nekostar | yeah |
| 01:29.24 | nekostar | let me see what i need to run this thing... |
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| 01:30.02 | bbrazil | Gigs: try modprobe ide_scsi sg sr |
| 01:30.23 | Gigs | FATAL: Error inserting ide_scsi (/lib/modules/2.6.12-1-k7/kernel/drivers/scsi/ide-scsi.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 01:30.31 | bbrazil | Gigs: depmod -A |
| 01:30.36 | Gigs | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1002 |
| 01:30.47 | Gigs | depmod didn't help |
| 01:30.49 | Gigs | same thing |
| 01:30.57 | nekostar | wow that ended up being a short list... |
| 01:31.16 | bbrazil | Gigs: -a |
| 01:31.19 | Gigs | ide_scsi: Unknown parameter `sg' |
| 01:31.34 | bbrazil | Gigs: those are 3 differnt modules - each needs a different modprobe |
| 01:31.40 | Gigs | oh sorry :) |
| 01:31.52 | Gigs | FATAL: Module sr not found. |
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| 01:32.06 | Gigs | the other two went in ok |
| 01:32.09 | bbrazil | I think sg is needed for usbkeys and sg for cdroms, I forget |
| 01:32.21 | bbrazil | any sign of your drive in dmesg? |
| 01:32.30 | Gigs | Attached scsi generic sg0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0, type 0 |
| 01:32.31 | bbrazil | s/sg/sr/; |
| 01:32.33 | Gigs | Attached scsi generic sg1 at scsi2, channel 0, id 0, lun 0, type 0 |
| 01:32.44 | Gigs | now sure why there's two |
| 01:32.47 | Gigs | not |
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| 01:33.09 | bbrazil | Gigs: right - check /dev/sda and /dev/sdc |
| 01:33.12 | Gigs | but it did seem to pick it up at least |
| 01:33.26 | Gigs | sda is my hard disk |
| 01:33.46 | bbrazil | Gigs: yeah - thats strange. maybe loading sg picked it up again |
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| 01:35.20 | mozez | hi, from shell how can i know which windows management i'm using (kde/gnome) ? |
| 01:35.25 | Gigs | I have some usb-storage disks |
| 01:35.30 | Gigs | could be those |
| 01:35.35 | bbrazil | mozez: kdm,gdm,xdm? |
| 01:35.40 | Guerin | mozez: you can't, with any certainty |
| 01:36.01 | mozez | bbrazil, yeah that's what i wanna know |
| 01:36.08 | Guerin | mozez: you can make educated guesses based on what apps are running - for instance kwin and metacity |
| 01:36.10 | Gigs | bbrazil: I can't do anything with the sg devices |
| 01:36.12 | bbrazil | mozez: thats easy. see which is running |
| 01:36.18 | Gigs | bbrazil: they are there and all, but I can't mount them |
| 01:36.19 | mozez | bbrazil, i'm sshing |
| 01:36.30 | mozez | bbrazil, to an account... |
| 01:36.46 | bbrazil | Gigs: hmm - mount -t auto ? |
| 01:37.02 | bbrazil | mozez: if you're trying to X-forward its irrelevant |
| 01:37.30 | Gigs | nothing |
| 01:37.40 | Guerin | mozez: snoop around in /var/run |
| 01:37.41 | mozez | bbrazil, nah i just wanna delete either .kde or .gnome from my home (although i'm not sure which one i'm using at school) |
| 01:37.48 | bbrazil | Gigs: maybe try removing the usbhdds until you've got the cd working |
| 01:38.10 | bbrazil | mozez: leave both. kde apps running in gnime will use them and vice-versa |
| 01:38.38 | Inchabod | Guerin, PM plz ;) |
| 01:38.39 | bbrazil | mozez: also there's 4 or 5 other directores realted to both |
| 01:39.00 | mozez | bbrazil, oh i'm just tryin to free up space... but whatever |
| 01:39.05 | mozez | i'll just leave em |
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| 01:39.13 | bbrazil | mozez: du -sh .??* |
| 01:39.19 | Gigs | bbrazil: usb 5-4: USB disconnect, address 3; modprobe sg; Attached scsi generic sg0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0, type 0 |
| 01:39.25 | Gigs | bbrazil: yes only got one this time |
| 01:39.43 | Inchabod | Guerin, I have proof to prove what I said before, look in pm. |
| 01:39.43 | bbrazil | Gigs: well, try it out |
| 01:39.51 | Inchabod | err nvm |
| 01:39.53 | Inchabod | I forgot |
| 01:39.55 | Inchabod | pms are disabled |
| 01:40.27 | Guerin | pms aren't disabled |
| 01:40.35 | Inchabod | for me |
| 01:40.36 | Inchabod | * Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg ) |
| 01:40.39 | Guerin | master your irc client, don't allow it to master you |
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| 01:40.50 | Gigs | bbrazil: yeah I think something's working now, cdrecord -scanbus sees it |
| 01:40.50 | md5sum | register your nick |
| 01:40.52 | curt | how do i... |
| 01:40.53 | Guerin | Inchabod: and don't fucking paste shit in here |
| 01:40.54 | mozez | how do i tar all subdirectors and all hidden files (and basically everything) from a certain directory onward? |
| 01:41.05 | Guerin | mozez: man tar |
| 01:41.21 | mozez | Guerin, i hate man!!!!! |
| 01:41.22 | Gigs | bbrazil: but k3b doesn't seem to see it |
| 01:41.25 | md5sum | Inchabod: /msg nickserv register <pass> |
| 01:41.25 | mozez | fuck man |
| 01:41.26 | bbrazil | Gigs: cdrecord is special. are you trying to burn cds? |
| 01:41.34 | Guerin | mozez: alias man=woman |
| 01:41.36 | mozez | it's too goddam complicated |
| 01:41.38 | bbrazil | Gigs: ignore k3b, its only a frontend to cdrecord |
| 01:41.53 | Gigs | bbrazil: well I will eventually want to burn cds, but getting reading working first sounds like a good idea :) |
| 01:41.53 | thingfish | *plonk* |
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| 01:42.10 | phobos | hi |
| 01:42.18 | Inchabod | Guerin, Pm. |
| 01:42.23 | bbrazil | Gigs: what were you trying to do that Guerin suggested upgrading to 2.6? |
| 01:42.25 | curt | I want to take phpbb (/usr/share/phpbb/site/...) and link or move it to /var/www/forums (/var/www is apache root) |
| 01:42.28 | phobos | does anybody use kernel 2.6.14 and the latest ipw2200 driver? |
| 01:42.51 | Guerin | Inchabod: you're still wrong, and wikipedia isn't proof for anything. Not to mention that you don't provide any proof. |
| 01:42.57 | Inchabod | Actually it does. |
| 01:42.58 | Gigs | bbrazil: he suggested upgrading to a later 2.6 to fix this cdrom issue, I want to go to 2.6 because sound was working sorta iffy in 2.4 |
| 01:43.01 | mozez | sorry for my french.... but seriously, man sux. can't they just make an easier version of that... for people (mostly everyone) that just need about 1% of what those commands offer |
| 01:43.08 | Guerin | Inchabod: and please don't PM me again, or bring this up in this channel any more. |
| 01:43.10 | md5sum | Inchabod: listen to Guerin. |
| 01:43.13 | Inchabod | Wikipedia is edited by thousands of scholars and people much smartert han you. |
| 01:43.25 | bbrazil | Gigs: ah right - just checking |
| 01:43.26 | thingfish | is there a full moon out? |
| 01:43.26 | curt | hehe |
| 01:43.40 | bbrazil | Inchabod: That's easily fixed; just edit Wikipedia. |
| 01:43.47 | MickMcMack | xDDD |
| 01:43.50 | Inchabod | Not really, you have to submit it. |
| 01:43.55 | Guerin | Inchabod: don't start the wikipedia troll in here again. |
| 01:44.04 | bbrazil | (/. comment) |
| 01:44.05 | curt | abrotman, hey |
| 01:44.06 | Guerin | we've all been down this path before |
| 01:44.06 | md5sum | Inchabod: I'm sure you can tell just how smart people are by judging their words alone on IRC, seeing as how you aren't getting visual or auditory feedback. Don't presume shit. |
| 01:44.17 | phobos | ne1 using ipw2200 here? |
| 01:44.20 | Guerin | Inchabod: uncyclopedia is edited by thousands of scholars, too. |
| 01:44.36 | md5sum | hehehe |
| 01:44.52 | curt | im sure not one of them... |
| 01:45.06 | Guerin | and then there's e2 |
| 01:45.10 | Inchabod | Your a fool that has an attitude :-\ |
| 01:45.24 | md5sum | Inchabod: it's "YOU'RE" |
| 01:45.29 | bbrazil | mozez: what are you trying to do? I can point you in the right path for most of the common unix commands |
| 01:45.38 | md5sum | Inchabod: if you're going to insult in English, learn how to write it. |
| 01:45.44 | Inchabod | Since when have you been a dictionary md5sum ? |
| 01:45.44 | nocxium | wireless shit |
| 01:45.56 | Guerin | !ops Inchabod is back |
| 01:45.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: Inchabod is back |
| 01:46.25 | thingfish | hah |
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| 01:46.31 | Guerin | OMG it thinks!!!!11 |
| 01:46.37 | md5sum | HAHAHA! |
| 01:46.41 | Guerin | well, at least it thinks it thinks |
| 01:46.49 | MickMcMack | Lies, it's coded so that it looks like it can think. -_- |
| 01:47.28 | djtravtrav | how can i save and edit my source list? |
| 01:47.30 | md5sum | It's the new version of the trollbot with AI |
| 01:47.32 | chuck_gr | Inchabod, why not run Debian? |
| 01:47.40 | EdLin | !permasunday |
| 01:47.40 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 01:47.41 | bbrazil | Gigs: maybe try getting the latest kernel from kernel.org and compiling it yourself. possible pain and suffering etc. |
| 01:47.50 | thingfish | it can only live if you feed it, people. |
| 01:47.52 | Inchabod | Because I have a 100 ubuntu discs chuck_gr |
| 01:47.55 | bbrazil | EdLin: eh, it is sunday |
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| 01:47.57 | Gigs | bbrazil: yeah |
| 01:48.00 | curt | a little help with the basics please |
| 01:48.08 | EdLin | bbrazil: not in EST |
| 01:48.09 | md5sum | OH lord... I forgot it's EDT-->EST tonight :| |
| 01:48.19 | curt | I want to use phpbb but it is in the wrong place |
| 01:48.19 | bbrazil | curt: ask your question |
| 01:48.20 | md5sum | oh well... extra hour of sleep :D |
| 01:48.21 | chuck_gr | Inchabod, you can go to a local sollege and get rid of them in a computer lab |
| 01:48.25 | mozez | if i winscp a file from linux to windows and back to linux does it change the file at all? (because of the different filesystems)? |
| 01:48.32 | Gigs | doh, no one will be at work to change the broken legacy system |
| 01:48.42 | Gigs | temporal chaos tomorrow |
| 01:48.43 | curt | it is in /usr/share/phpbb/site and i want it in /var/www/forums |
| 01:48.47 | bbrazil | curt: check /usr/share/doc/phpbb/README.Debian iirc it has what you need |
| 01:48.47 | beardy | mozez: No. |
| 01:48.48 | Jimmymaniac | mozez: it's scp, it shouldn't |
| 01:48.51 | Inchabod | it's spelled college chuck_gr |
| 01:48.53 | Guerin | mozez: permissions will be changed, but not the data itself |
| 01:49.00 | thingfish | yep, an extra hour to stay up late, watch old black and white TV shows, smoke pot, and eat microwave burritos. |
| 01:49.00 | Inchabod | and no i'm not a dictionary. |
| 01:49.03 | curt | alrighty thanks |
| 01:49.09 | bbrazil | mozez: assuming binary transfer, no |
| 01:49.11 | Gigs | thingfish: sounds like a plan |
| 01:49.12 | chuck_gr | yeah well typos suck dont they |
| 01:49.28 | Guerin | chuck_gr: make a symlink |
| 01:49.29 | md5sum | Inchabod: pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanokoniosis |
| 01:49.30 | Guerin | bah |
| 01:49.34 | Guerin | curt: make a symlink |
| 01:49.44 | Guerin | md5sum: heh |
| 01:49.50 | thingfish | !win md5sum |
| 01:49.50 | dpkg | Congratulations, md5sum! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 01:50.03 | d0uglas | i'm trying to find a good multi-language translation prog, only finding code language translation and single-word translators on apt |
| 01:50.07 | mozez | gnx |
| 01:50.09 | mozez | tnx |
| 01:50.15 | Jimmymaniac | mozez: Ok, pizza was apropriatedly eaten, now back to the upload :) |
| 01:50.26 | beardy | heh |
| 01:50.36 | Guerin | d0uglas: currently no such thing as a good natural language translation program |
| 01:50.39 | Jimmymaniac | d0uglas: i don't think there's a good multi-language translation prog yet |
| 01:50.41 | md5sum | okay well maybe both |
| 01:50.46 | Jimmymaniac | heh |
| 01:50.50 | mozez | how do i know how much files i have in a directory? |
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| 01:50.57 | mozez | (and all it's subdirectories) |
| 01:50.59 | mozez | its |
| 01:51.03 | bbrazil | mozez: find | wc -l |
| 01:51.09 | d0uglas | damn... well i'll just wait for babelfish to add a few more languages |
| 01:51.14 | Guerin | d0uglas: what I'd probably do it use googlefish - i think they publish an api |
| 01:51.21 | mozez | bbrazil, tnx |
| 01:51.29 | Guerin | d0uglas: which languages? It covers a whole lot... |
| 01:51.32 | md5sum | d0uglas: I'm waiting for afrikaans |
| 01:51.34 | md5sum | hehe |
| 01:51.40 | Guerin | md5sum: haha |
| 01:51.49 | Jimmymaniac | mozez: or just ls | wc -l if you don't wanna count subdirs |
| 01:51.50 | Guerin | md5sum: how about them cheetahs |
| 01:52.13 | bbrazil | Jimmymaniac: that won't catch dotfiles |
| 01:52.15 | d0uglas | well right now i'm jonesin' for eastern european translation, at the moment estonian |
| 01:52.28 | Jimmymaniac | bbrazil: then find -type f -maxdepth 1 |
| 01:52.32 | Guerin | d0uglas: that's obscure. |
| 01:52.38 | thingfish | boy I'll say. |
| 01:52.42 | beardy | bbrazil: ls -la then. |
| 01:52.45 | thingfish | eesti |
| 01:52.56 | bbrazil | Jimmymaniac: I coudl argue thats wrong as the subdirs themselvs are files, aslo it doesn't get symlinks, pipes or devices |
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| 01:53.06 | thingfish | yay! |
| 01:53.08 | d0uglas | true but googling around i've found those tiny devices to translate and text to speech english/estonian |
| 01:53.08 | Guerin | i *think* the hard bit of natural language programming is codifying the language's grammar |
| 01:53.20 | Guerin | once that bit's done, the rest is supposedly not too hard |
| 01:53.23 | md5sum | estonian text-to-speech... nifty |
| 01:53.29 | Jimmymaniac | bbrazil: but it's a valid answer to his question :) |
| 01:53.43 | Guerin | so if estonian's grammar is similar to another documented language, it might not be that hard ... if you can get a hold of the documented language |
| 01:54.04 | thingfish | it's an indo-european language, shouldn't be too hard. |
| 01:54.11 | thingfish | at least I believe it is... |
| 01:54.21 | bbrazil | Jimmymaniac: its a matter for debate :) |
| 01:54.25 | md5sum | would my guess of russian being the closest be correct? |
| 01:54.29 | Guerin | thingfish: well, indo-european is the largest and most diverse language group |
| 01:54.35 | thingfish | I'm going to have to google it. |
| 01:54.50 | Jimmymaniac | bbrazil: i'd say :) |
| 01:54.51 | Guerin | excluding some language groups in papua new guinea, i think |
| 01:55.12 | d0uglas | googlefish > babelfish.altavista.com? |
| 01:55.23 | Guerin | d0uglas: don't really know. |
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| 01:55.58 | bbrazil | Jimmymaniac: this shows the importance of good specs |
| 01:56.14 | rustifer | help! I'm running unstable and when I do an apt-get upgrade, it wants to *remove* gnome!! What do I do? |
| 01:56.22 | thingfish | ah, glad I looked because I had my doubts. Estonian is a finno-ugric language, making it related to both finnish and hungarian. |
| 01:56.34 | Gigs | rustifer: sounds like an upgrade to me :) |
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| 01:56.41 | Jimmymaniac | anyway, anybody knows how to upload stuff using lynx, given a typical "Upload file here" box on a page? already tried filename with full path, quoted, and adding file:/ and file:// |
| 01:56.42 | d0uglas | heh gigs |
| 01:56.47 | rustifer | laugh it up fuzzball :( |
| 01:56.48 | Jimmymaniac | bbrazil: indeed :) |
| 01:56.50 | beardy | !ifyhtaysri |
| 01:56.52 | thingfish | so it is *not* an indo-european language. |
| 01:56.53 | Guerin | rustifer: if you don't want to crash your car, don't drive drunk; if you don't want broken packages, don't use sid |
| 01:57.00 | beardy | !iyhtaysri |
| 01:57.06 | rustifer | gasp! |
| 01:57.08 | md5sum | rustifer: I believe gnome is a dummy package, not sure tho |
| 01:57.12 | d0uglas | didn't mean to start a language grammatical structure war |
| 01:57.21 | md5sum | not "dummy" but points to number of other packages |
| 01:57.24 | Guerin | thingfish: ah, funky. |
| 01:57.27 | rustifer | oh heh did I say unstable? I meant testing :( |
| 01:57.32 | rustifer | I'm running etch |
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| 01:57.50 | md5sum | rustifer: etch == testing, sid == unstable |
| 01:57.55 | bbrazil | rustifer: an upgrade should never remove anything |
| 01:58.05 | md5sum | rustifer: you said you were running unstable |
| 01:58.15 | rustifer | My bad, I'm running testing, and I was using synaptic, not apt-get |
| 01:58.22 | md5sum | same difference |
| 01:58.23 | md5sum | just a gui |
| 01:58.27 | Guerin | bbrazil: it should never install anything new. it can remove things. |
| 01:58.45 | bbrazil | Guerin: I'm pretty sure its the other way round |
| 01:58.56 | maatttt | does anyone know of a deb for rrdtool v1.2 for ? |
| 01:59.03 | maatttt | Stable |
| 01:59.14 | mozez | is there a way to do a 'diff' on two directories where it will tell me if they are EXACTLY similar (i.e., all files, all subdirs, all contents of files, everything) |
| 01:59.23 | bbrazil | mozez: diff -r |
| 01:59.33 | mozez | damnz this shiz has everything! |
| 01:59.43 | bbrazil | Guerin: under no circumstances are currently installed packages removed, or packages not al- |
| 01:59.46 | bbrazil | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:59.49 | mozez | smart azz people... ;p |
| 01:59.51 | Guerin | bbrazil: oh, ok. |
| 01:59.53 | md5sum | someone tell me if I'm wrong about the gnome package please, so I don't do anything stupid in the future hehe |
| 02:00.00 | bbrazil | Guerin: we were both wrong |
| 02:00.05 | Guerin | mozez: if it's useful to you, chances are it's been useful to someone in the past who's gone and coded it up |
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| 02:00.19 | curt | what should the permissions and the owner/group be for web site stuff |
| 02:00.25 | md5sum | I think dist-upgrade is what can remove then? or not? |
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| 02:00.28 | rustifer | so, bbrazil I won't remove gnome when it says it's gonna remove the gnome package? |
| 02:00.31 | Guerin | curt: 755 root:www-data |
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| 02:00.42 | curt | thanks |
| 02:00.44 | Guerin | curt: err, 655 |
| 02:00.49 | bbrazil | rustifer: I only know about apt-get/aptitude. synaptic is beyond my knowledge |
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| 02:01.06 | mozez | bbrazil, does that diff thing look at ALL files (including those hidden . files and everything?).... |
| 02:01.07 | mozez | ? |
| 02:01.08 | md5sum | bbrazil: nothing different but the interface |
| 02:01.08 | curt | what if they are 644 root:root |
| 02:01.10 | Guerin | curt: though it varies from file to file - don't go changing all your stuff to that |
| 02:01.34 | rustifer | alrighty, thanks |
| 02:01.37 | curt | just wondering, im getting a 500 error in apache from the phpbb stuff |
| 02:01.42 | curt | maybe wrong group? |
| 02:01.45 | Guerin | curt: that can be acceptable too; the www-data group is if you need to add another layer of permission |
| 02:01.49 | bbrazil | mozez: yip - it even going into symlinks, devices etc. so be careful |
| 02:01.58 | Guerin | curt: yeah, possibly |
| 02:02.25 | nocxium | !seen abrotman |
| 02:02.25 | dpkg | abrotman is currently on #debian (11h 18m 17s). Has said a total of 147807 messages. Is idling for 3h 36m 56s |
| 02:02.38 | bbrazil | mozez: you could use a dry run of rsync |
| 02:02.53 | michal_ | /j #wxpython |
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| 02:04.04 | curt | can I just chgrp -R www-data * |
| 02:06.57 | nocxium | curt: you can |
| 02:07.08 | mozez | does diff do a diff on binary files? |
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| 02:07.32 | rustifer | with the b flag |
| 02:07.39 | curt | i still get the 500 error |
| 02:07.49 | Phoul | Hi im looking for a nice graphicle WM (not kde or gnome) i was wondering if anyone had any ideas... |
| 02:07.55 | mozez | rustifer, oh |
| 02:08.21 | md5sum | Phoul: I like xfce4 |
| 02:08.28 | Phoul | well i looked at it |
| 02:08.32 | Phoul | and it wasnt that nice... |
| 02:08.42 | Phoul | Maby it just needs alot of configeration. |
| 02:09.11 | md5sum | Phoul: if you like bells and whistles, enlightenment or afterstep might do it for you, but I don't like them very much |
| 02:09.26 | Phoul | bells and whitles? |
| 02:09.30 | Phoul | You mean fancy stuff? |
| 02:09.36 | md5sum | hehe... I guess I'm in auditory mode tonight |
| 02:09.38 | md5sum | yes |
| 02:10.21 | Guerin | mozez: instead of diffing binaries, md5 them |
| 02:10.33 | Guerin | in fact, you can md5 all files instead of diffing them |
| 02:10.38 | md5sum | md5summing is ALWAYS a good idea |
| 02:10.40 | md5sum | hehe |
| 02:10.43 | Guerin | but diff is a more powerful tool |
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| 02:11.52 | vish_devil | hi folks |
| 02:11.52 | vish_devil | got a question |
| 02:11.52 | md5sum | :)\ |
| 02:11.52 | md5sum | -\ |
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| 02:11.59 | vish_devil | i am a newbie to debian |
| 02:12.09 | vish_devil | and i forgot the command to setup my network |
| 02:12.22 | vish_devil | right now i have a prompt |
| 02:12.26 | md5sum | vish_devil: man interfaces |
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| 02:12.55 | vish_devil | ok cool |
| 02:13.18 | vish_devil | but there was a command that brings up a menu |
| 02:13.25 | vish_devil | that includes network setup |
| 02:13.27 | vish_devil | among other things |
| 02:13.28 | Guerin | etherconf |
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| 02:13.41 | Guerin | or if you want to run the whole lot again, base-config |
| 02:13.44 | mozez | does tar affect the file permissions? |
| 02:13.47 | vish_devil | ok that's it! |
| 02:13.51 | vish_devil | base-config |
| 02:13.52 | Guerin | mozez: not if you tell it not to |
| 02:13.56 | md5sum | mozez: afaik it preserves them |
| 02:13.58 | Guerin | mozez: man tar |
| 02:14.01 | vish_devil | thanks! |
| 02:14.19 | mozez | tnx |
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| 02:15.21 | md5sum | I'm off to get that extra hour of sleep. hehe |
| 02:15.27 | md5sum | cya |
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| 02:18.14 | plb | hrm do nvidia drivers need a special version of gcc to build? I keep getting errors while building nvidia-kernel-source step 19 |
| 02:18.48 | Guerin | plb: which version of gcc? |
| 02:18.58 | Guerin | plb: the question is, of course: ask nvidia |
| 02:19.03 | plb | im on unstable....4.03 |
| 02:19.05 | plb | heh |
| 02:19.46 | Jimmymaniac | heh, worked giving it only the filename while being in the same directory, looks like it's the only way it'll work |
| 02:20.11 | Guerin | plb: you need to build the nvidia kernel module interface with the same compiler the kernel itself was built with. cat /proc/version to see |
| 02:20.23 | Jimmymaniac | so, to upload a file in lynx, you must be in the same directory and give it the filename only, no path and no quotes, otherwise it'll fail |
| 02:20.38 | Jimmymaniac | thanks :) |
| 02:20.42 | Jimmymaniac | gotta go |
| 02:20.48 | Guerin | Jimmymaniac: can you upload something in a dir within the current dir |
| 02:21.07 | plb | Guerin: yeah i figured, and they are both the same |
| 02:21.09 | Guerin | Jimmymaniac: like, i'm in /foo and I start lynx, then i want to upload /foo/bar/baz.txt |
| 02:21.19 | Jimmymaniac | Guerin: seems like it'll only upload if you're in the same dir of the file you're uploading |
| 02:21.28 | Guerin | that's incredibly stupid |
| 02:21.51 | Jimmymaniac | more like, it'll upload always, but it'll try to give the filename with the path on the server, and of course fail |
| 02:22.03 | Guerin | Jimmymaniac: oh, I see |
| 02:22.15 | Guerin | Jimmymaniac: file a wishlist against it |
| 02:22.30 | Jimmymaniac | i think it'd be in order, yes :) |
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| 02:23.13 | Jimmymaniac | for now i gotta go for a while, thanks :) |
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| 02:26.43 | Azar | GPL 3 anyone has some link for me to figure out what is going on? |
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| 02:27.01 | _pitombera_ | Hi babies |
| 02:27.36 | Guerin | Azar: gnu.org; fsf.org |
| 02:27.48 | Azar | thanks Guerin |
| 02:28.01 | Guerin | Azar: please don't tell me you didn't already look there? |
| 02:28.21 | Azar | I am tempted to stash hardware in the prospect of trusting computing coming |
| 02:28.24 | Azar | no I did not |
| 02:28.36 | Guerin | Azar: me too |
| 02:28.41 | Azar | I saw something on e-Week and somehow validate my fears |
| 02:29.07 | Azar | excerpt: ""But if we don't use our leverage correctly, we could wind up in a world where free software is injured very badly, where you can modify code but you cannot do anything with that modified code because the hardware will not run that code because it cannot be signed 'Microsoft or IBM,'" he said. "If that happens, free software will be excluded from hardware, and that is not an outcome we can tolerate." |
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| 02:29.38 | Guerin | Azar: most of the people in here are pretty aware of the implications of TC |
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| 02:29.44 | thingfish | well then we don't buy that hardware. |
| 02:29.48 | Guerin | you needn't try to edumacatify us |
| 02:29.53 | rixth | */15 ** * *rixthscrot -q 20 /www/screen.jpg << that should run as rixth every 15 minutes? I'm new to cron. |
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| 02:30.09 | Guerin | rixth: yeah |
| 02:30.09 | Azar | thinfish, hardware as we know will dissapear |
| 02:30.16 | rixth | Guerin, thanks |
| 02:30.19 | Azar | the market factor will kill it |
| 02:30.23 | Guerin | Azar: what? all our hardware will vanish? |
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| 02:30.35 | Guerin | Azar: what will be on my desk, then? |
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| 02:30.44 | thingfish | nonsense. and it's too late to feel like putting up with it. |
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| 02:31.39 | Azar | Guerin, no but the way I see it everything will be built to comply with microsoft's software |
| 02:31.53 | Guerin | Azar: just like it is now ... oh wait |
| 02:31.55 | Guerin | it's not |
| 02:32.37 | Azar | Guerin, what is TC? |
| 02:32.55 | Guerin | Azar: Trusted/Treacherous Computing |
| 02:33.12 | Azar | what did they mean, if they write code that is not microsoft signed, that code will not run on hardware? |
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| 02:33.23 | Azar | maybe I did not understand the meaning of microsoft or code |
| 02:33.46 | Azar | so hardware will not run "untrusted" code? |
| 02:33.49 | Guerin | Azar: it means that the hardware is empowered to decide what software it will and won't run |
| 02:33.54 | Guerin | Azar: exactly |
| 02:34.09 | _pitombera_ | I need a redundancy protocol for TCP/IP |
| 02:34.19 | _pitombera_ | anybody know some? |
| 02:34.21 | Guerin | _pitombera_: eh? |
| 02:34.33 | Azar | hmm then the open source hardware should show up because I can't see myself running Debian on a TC hardware |
| 02:34.35 | _pitombera_ | he |
| 02:34.40 | _pitombera_ | Guerin e ae =] |
| 02:34.49 | _pitombera_ | Guerin tow tentando enrolar aki com meu ingrês su |
| 02:34.52 | _pitombera_ | sux* |
| 02:34.55 | Guerin | Azar: where there is demand, there will emerge supply. |
| 02:35.07 | Guerin | _pitombera_: please speak english |
| 02:35.43 | _pitombera_ | Guerin sorry... i think "this guy is a brazilian" |
| 02:36.20 | Guerin | _pitombera_: heh. nope. My bro is going to brazil to work on hiss painting and skating. |
| 02:36.27 | Guerin | s/ss/s |
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| 02:36.51 | _pitombera_ | Guerin bob? |
| 02:36.53 | _pitombera_ | hehehehe |
| 02:37.11 | Guerin | his name is Joseph, not Bob |
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| 02:39.04 | rustifer | with the b flag |
| 02:39.16 | _pitombera_ | Guerin bob is the one ^^ is from brazil, he did the better skateboarder |
| 02:39.32 | _pitombera_ | best = better (my english is sux) |
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| 02:42.40 | Phoul | Anyone here know about xfc4? |
| 02:43.16 | Guerin | Phoul: nope. Nobody's ever heard of it except you. |
| 02:43.31 | Phoul | Can anyone tell me about it? |
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| 02:49.07 | nixuser | zzzz |
| 02:49.28 | _pitombera_ | zzzzzzzzz too |
| 02:49.34 | phildo | heys, i get a whole bunch of errors when trying to 'grub-install' |
| 02:49.49 | phildo | re: /msg dpkg fixmbr |
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| 02:50.36 | phildo | hdd with boot loader has failed, trying to put grub on the hdd with debian installed now.. |
| 02:50.40 | newbie | Ok then. |
| 02:50.52 | phildo | any suggestions? |
| 02:50.55 | sylvisj | The install went pretty smooth. |
| 02:51.02 | sylvisj | Anyone mind helping me out with WINE? |
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| 02:51.54 | Azar | phildo, use lilo |
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| 02:52.48 | phildo | azar, i dont mind what is used :P is it easy to install from a sarge cd1 iso booting? |
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| 02:53.10 | Azar | hmm I might not understand what you are asking then |
| 02:53.15 | phildo | alright, i'll explain |
| 02:53.23 | sylvisj | Are there any windows emulators other than wine? |
| 02:53.27 | Azar | sarge comes with grub and lilo, your choice of bootloader |
| 02:53.43 | phildo | i had 2hdd's installed, dual booting windows. |
| 02:53.59 | phildo | the windows drive failed, and it was the one that had grub on. |
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| 02:54.11 | phildo | now i'm scrapping windows, trying to reinstall a loader on the second drive. |
| 02:54.44 | Azar | phildo, I am not aware how grub works, allways used lilo |
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| 02:55.07 | Azar | grub, windows, what kind of stew have you there? |
| 02:55.13 | phildo | heh |
| 02:55.24 | phildo | alright, installing lilo |
| 02:55.29 | phildo | is there a manpage i can read? |
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| 02:56.18 | Roots | wtf, I swear they put something addictive in these popsicles because I've eaten like 10 today |
| 02:56.20 | Azar | I never heard of installing a bootloader, maybe my fault for that, I allways install Debian that "comes with the bootloaders" |
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| 02:57.00 | phildo | right, so you've always had it done for you ;) |
| 02:57.21 | Azar | oh yes, it allways works |
| 02:58.09 | phildo | what would you do if the boot sector of a drive failed for you? |
| 02:58.21 | phildo | and you copied data to a new one, and had to replace the bootloader? |
| 02:58.49 | Azar | I never used dual boot, so a big minus for me there |
| 02:59.07 | phildo | nothing to do with dual boot. |
| 02:59.14 | Azar | I assume that by using CD1 of Sarge you could find and restore a bootloader |
| 02:59.18 | phildo | to do with when the boot sector fails. |
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| 02:59.33 | Azar | just like in the error case of "LI" at bootup |
| 02:59.51 | phildo | :) |
| 03:01.56 | Azar | using the CD1, I typed: rescue root="path to your root here /devhda1 or what ever" -noinitrd |
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| 03:02.19 | Azar | then /sbin/lilo |
| 03:03.36 | phildo | rescue: not found |
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| 03:06.15 | phildo | hrm. |
| 03:06.29 | Azar | maybe because you did not have lilo in first place |
| 03:06.44 | Azar | you got the mighty grub that supposed to never fail you? |
| 03:07.11 | phildo | i just didnt care what i used - as i had no knowledge of either. |
| 03:07.17 | sylvisj | Wine installed without a hitch. |
| 03:07.24 | sylvisj | Well, it installed WINMX |
| 03:07.50 | Azar | lilo requires you to work it a bit, but it gets handy when you know it |
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| 03:08.09 | Azar | lilo is a small file that contains instructions with booting your kernel |
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| 03:09.57 | kevix | !cvs |
| 03:09.57 | dpkg | it has been said that cvs is the Concurrent Versions System -- an RCS extension. ; see(cvs-buildpackage ; cvs-pcl ; cvsweb) or a giant pharmacy corporation or developed at http://www.cyclic.com/, or has a faq at http://www.loria.fr/~molli/fom-serve/cache/1.html, or good documentation can be found at http://cvsbook.red-bean.com/cvsbook.html |
| 03:12.06 | guk | is there any norton ghost type software for linux ... where it goes and makes a "image" of your drive so in the event you want to change HDD's from like a 10gb to a 60gb you don't need to redo your system ... ? |
| 03:12.22 | phildo | yeah |
| 03:12.31 | Guerin | guk: you don't need ghost for that, you only need rsync |
| 03:12.55 | phildo | or dd ;) |
| 03:13.07 | phildo | no sorry dd = by sector. |
| 03:13.11 | Guerin | guk: dd can do it, but making a perfect image only really works if you're moving from one hdd to an identical hdd |
| 03:13.48 | Guerin | guk: but basically, rsync and dd to copy the MBR, and you're done |
| 03:13.55 | Guerin | as long as the partitions remain the same |
| 03:14.01 | guk | that's the thing |
| 03:14.11 | guk | a 60gb HDD will have bigger partitions then a 10gb HDD |
| 03:15.07 | curt | my phpbb is still busted |
| 03:15.28 | curt | it has a symlink to a conf file in /etc/apache2/conf.d |
| 03:15.29 | sylvisj | My WINE is working... somewhat. |
| 03:15.53 | curt | and that file has the alias for the phpbb directories |
| 03:15.55 | sylvisj | I'm downloading an ActiveX control for WinMX now. |
| 03:16.05 | Guerin | guk: right, size isn't a problem |
| 03:16.06 | curt | but apache spits a 500 error when i try to connect |
| 03:16.08 | guk | but linux has something like partition magic right ? where I can make partitions bigger and smaller ... so I could be like "copy my 6gb image to a 500gb HDD" then expand my 6gb image > 500gb image |
| 03:16.09 | curt | SoftException in Application.cpp:187: Script "/usr/share/phpbb2/site/index.php" resolving to "/usr/share/phpbb2/site/index.php" not within configured docroot |
| 03:16.17 | Guerin | guk: just as long as grub still knows where to find everything |
| 03:16.23 | guk | okay |
| 03:16.24 | guk | cool cool |
| 03:16.26 | guk | just checkin |
| 03:16.45 | sylvisj | Hey, uhh... wtf are my Mozilla Layout Libraries? |
| 03:16.51 | sylvisj | And where would the be stored? |
| 03:17.47 | sylvisj | 'Pick where the mozilla bin directory is located' |
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| 03:19.40 | Guerin | sylvisj: dpkg -L mozilla |
| 03:20.47 | Guerin | curt: make a directory or somesuch for /usr/share/phpbb2 |
| 03:21.05 | Guerin | curt: in apache config - a <Directory> directive, I mean |
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| 03:21.28 | Guerin | curt: if you're unsure about how to do that, consult the documentation for phpbb2 and/or apache2 |
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| 03:22.18 | TjNix | how can i stop mysql from starting at boot time |
| 03:23.13 | phildo | TjNix can be an entry in a number of places |
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| 03:23.38 | phildo | check /etc/rc.d/* for +x files |
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| 03:24.15 | TjNix | sorry i dont get it |
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| 03:24.44 | Guerin | TjNix: rcconf |
| 03:24.50 | unco | anyone know if there is a way with find to print out the owning directory of a located file? (i.e. search for all .txt files and then print the directory they are in rather than the actual file? |
| 03:24.58 | Guerin | phildo: and please don't guess |
| 03:25.28 | Guerin | unco: use awk or tr or something to mung the output text |
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| 03:26.09 | TjNix | thanks |
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| 03:27.31 | unco | Guerin : yer i wanted to actually just use find though:) |
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| 03:28.43 | sky0 | unco: something like "find -type f -exec dirname {} \;" (maybe add " | sort -u") |
| 03:28.45 | nocxium | is in debian a GUI called "gnome" ? |
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| 03:29.22 | Guerin | unco: nothing's stopping you |
| 03:29.25 | Puiu | I can't get the sound to work on my debian system...I'm not sure if I have the programs necessary to use sound...Can anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 03:29.26 | Guerin | nocxium: yes. |
| 03:29.39 | Guerin | Puiu: what sound card, what kernel? |
| 03:29.55 | Puiu | 2.6.12-1-386 and I don't know the soundcard. |
| 03:30.03 | Guerin | Puiu: lspci |
| 03:30.07 | Puiu | It's a toshiba laptop...a satelite |
| 03:30.23 | Puiu | "srs trusurround XT" is a sticker on my laptop |
| 03:30.25 | Guerin | Puiu: don't paste the output; just look for a sound card. Probably a yamaha or opl3-sa2 |
| 03:30.32 | Guerin | Puiu: means nothing |
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| 03:30.52 | Puiu | 0000:00:14.5 Multimedia audio controller: ATI Technologies Inc IXP150 AC'97 Audio Controller |
| 03:30.57 | Puiu | Guerin, That is one line from lspci |
| 03:31.01 | Puiu | Is that the soundcard? |
| 03:31.12 | Guerin | Puiu: yeah, that's the one |
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| 03:31.31 | sylvisj | Gah. |
| 03:31.39 | Puiu | Guerin, How can I get it working so I can watch a movie with my gf? |
| 03:31.51 | sylvisj | Anyone, where are the Mozilla binaries usually located? |
| 03:31.53 | Puiu | I got her to put linux on her laptop...but the sound doesn't work so she is concerned about this "linux" |
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| 03:32.09 | sylvisj | Puiu: What do you mean sound 'doesnt work'? |
| 03:32.11 | Guerin | Puiu: modprobe snd-atiixp snd-pcm-oss |
| 03:32.15 | ke6isf | !doesn't work |
| 03:32.15 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 03:32.25 | Guerin | sylvisj: you could know, if you'd done what I told you |
| 03:32.26 | N6REJ | I'm having a problem with dovecot, can anyone help? |
| 03:32.34 | Guerin | N6REJ: #dovecot |
| 03:32.37 | Nurbs_ | .oO( there's more than being able to watch movies on linux in this world ) |
| 03:32.40 | sylvisj | Guerin, whatever you told me I didn't recieve. |
| 03:32.41 | ke6isf | !dovecot |
| 03:32.41 | dpkg | from memory, dovecot is an IMAP/POP3 server, written with security in mind. Easy to set up, and fast. Supporting mbox and maildir. http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/dovecot.html |
| 03:32.45 | Puiu | Guerin, still no good |
| 03:32.45 | unco | syk0: is there any way to uniq a find? |
| 03:32.46 | ke6isf | !tell N6REJ -about ask |
| 03:32.49 | Puiu | Do I need a sound daemon I suppose? |
| 03:32.50 | Guerin | sylvisj: dpkg -L mozilla |
| 03:32.54 | sylvisj | Thx. |
| 03:32.59 | sylvisj | Puiu, do you have sound drivers installed on it? |
| 03:33.05 | Puiu | sylvisj, yes |
| 03:33.13 | Guerin | sylvisj: you're not helping |
| 03:33.16 | Puiu | lol |
| 03:33.18 | Guerin | Puiu: ok. give me the output of lsmod |grep snd; on a pastebin |
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| 03:33.39 | Guerin | Puiu: you might need to kill the sound daemon, or you might need something else. |
| 03:33.44 | N6REJ | ke6isf: yeah, the problem is I can check my mail but my wife can't. and the only difference that I can tell is I have a /home/troy/mail dir and she doesn't |
| 03:33.54 | N6REJ | and there is no #dovecot :( |
| 03:34.01 | Guerin | Puiu: also, what's in /proc/asound/cards? |
| 03:34.13 | Puiu | Guerin, http://pastebin.com/410603 |
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| 03:34.42 | grah | anyone know the debian way of adding a computer to a samba pdc? |
| 03:34.49 | sky0 | unco: afaik you have to pipe the "find" output into either "uniq" or "sort". |
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| 03:35.13 | Guerin | Puiu: ok. /proc/asound/cards? |
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| 03:35.49 | Puiu | Guerin, http://pastebin.com/410606 |
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| 03:36.03 | TwistedPBook | I'mmarillat trying to use merrilat packages to get mplayer and mplayer codecs... and I got mplayer-ppc64 or whatever but I cant ge tthe codecs... any ideas? |
| 03:36.16 | phantom__ | greetings! |
| 03:36.32 | Guerin | Puiu: awesome. alsamixer -> are your levels muted? |
| 03:36.35 | phantom__ | i am aving some problems and i was pointed here by the debian website. |
| 03:36.35 | stew | !hi phantom__ |
| 03:36.39 | dpkg | Long days and pleasant nights, sai phantom__! |
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| 03:36.48 | Nurbs_ | TwistedPBook: what package does it use for codecs? |
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| 03:37.20 | Guerin | Puiu: and what happens when you cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp ? |
| 03:38.13 | TwistedPBook | Nurbs: its like a win32codecs pack |
| 03:38.25 | phantom__ | i am trying to stop the service kacpid and have it never to return, since it is using 99% of my CPU usage.... it had a nice level of -10 before i changed it to +19 and was almost to the point of locking my system up. i need to shut it down. anyone know how to do that in Debian? |
| 03:38.41 | Guerin | phantom__: boot with acpi=off |
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| 03:38.46 | fiend | i need help |
| 03:38.49 | TwistedPBook | Nurbs: I cant check... im on the pc now |
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| 03:39.00 | Guerin | phantom__: i've had this problem a few times; you might consider trying another kernel too |
| 03:39.18 | fiend | i actually use ubuntu but im banned from both off channels |
| 03:39.21 | nocxium | I work above three jears with kde - what is "gnome"? |
| 03:39.35 | TwistedPBook | Nurbs: it's called like win32codecs or something.. |
| 03:39.36 | phantom__ | i am running 2.6.8-2 stock debian. |
| 03:39.39 | Guerin | fiend: and if you ask ubuntu questions in here you're liable to be banned here, too |
| 03:39.45 | Azar | Guerin, question for you: will I be able to ever have a personal mailserver on my Sarge box? I am running out of options with e-mail |
| 03:40.03 | Guerin | Azar: you can have one in two minutes if you want one. |
| 03:40.08 | Guerin | Azar: or less, even. |
| 03:40.13 | fiend | WTF WHY IS EVERYONE ASSHOLES CANT YOU JUST STFU AND ASSIST ME? |
| 03:40.16 | grah | fiend if they banned you from ubuntu why come here we are not nearly as friendly |
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| 03:40.29 | Azar | Guerin, thanks for lifting my hopes up |
| 03:40.29 | Nurbs_ | TwistedPBook: w32codecs ... but I'm wondering whether some of the codecs have been ported to ppc... |
| 03:40.30 | fiend | FUCK YOU GRAH AND GUERIN |
| 03:40.34 | grah | !ops fiend is being abusive |
| 03:40.36 | Guerin | fiend: ask #ubuntu, or use debian. |
| 03:40.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: fiend is being abusive |
| 03:40.44 | phantom__ | Guerin, how do i boot with acpi=off? i'm really new to debian and am hoping that it will help me take my Linux knoledge up from more than point 'n click from Mandriva |
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| 03:41.03 | grah | !beer caphuso |
| 03:41.04 | caphuso | stupid rejoins |
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| 03:41.21 | sylvisj | Spanked. |
| 03:41.23 | Guerin | phantom__: on boot, hit 'e' to edit your kernel boot line; add acpi=off to the end |
| 03:41.36 | Guerin | phantom__: if it works, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst to make it permanent |
| 03:41.58 | TML | caphuso: You know, that happens far less frequently if you use remove instead of kick |
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| 03:41.59 | Puiu | Guerin, nothing happens |
| 03:42.03 | Puiu | I get nothing from bash |
| 03:42.10 | phantom__ | ahh... ok. when should i hit this 'e'.. after i select from grub? or at grub? |
| 03:42.23 | caphuso | TML: yeah, i should set up a /removekick alias or something |
| 03:42.25 | Guerin | Puiu: no sound either? no white noise? |
| 03:42.27 | deitarion | I have two questions relating to Linux and DVD burners. First, are there any I should avoid. Second, does anyone have experience with LiteOn Dual-Layer burners? The store nearby is having a sale. |
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| 03:42.46 | TwistedPBook | Nurbs: ported to ppc? what do you mean?> |
| 03:42.46 | Guerin | deitarion: ##linux or #hardware |
| 03:42.50 | Puiu | Guerin, alsa-tools isn't installed |
| 03:42.50 | deitarion | Guerin: thanks. |
| 03:42.52 | Puiu | I'm installing it now |
| 03:43.00 | sylvisj | Guerin, who said I wasn't helping? |
| 03:43.08 | Guerin | Puiu: yeah, install something with an alsamixer in it |
| 03:43.10 | Guerin | sylvisj: i did. |
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| 03:43.19 | sylvisj | In my line of questions, I was gonna ask if he had a few things installed, such as alsa-tools and a mixer. |
| 03:43.24 | sylvisj | *sigh* Oh well. |
| 03:43.27 | Nurbs_ | TwistedPBook: that x86-codecs probably won't run on a ppc machine... but I don't know what they might've put in the ppc packages if they exist :) |
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| 03:43.31 | Guerin | sylvisj: your questions were irrelevant and were just confusing the issue; nothing personal. |
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| 03:43.53 | sylvisj | I do things slightly differently, about 2 questions down were the ones about alsa-tools and a mixer. |
| 03:43.57 | phantom__ | Guerin: thank you for your help. i am most appriciatve! i am hoping that my Linux experience will be enhanced by using Debian. i'm keeping everything i learn down. do you have any books/ebooks/websites that might help me enhance my debian knowledge? |
| 03:44.03 | Guerin | i'm pretty sure w32codecs work on ppc |
| 03:44.04 | sylvisj | I don't do things perfectly, I don't try to. |
| 03:44.17 | grah | Is there some cool debian command for adding machines to samba acting as a pdc |
| 03:44.22 | Guerin | sylvisj: don't fret over it. |
| 03:44.27 | kevix | phantom__, debiansystem.info |
| 03:44.29 | Puiu | Guerin, I check alsamixer, all the levels were at the top(I put them there) |
| 03:44.31 | Puiu | But still no sound. |
| 03:44.38 | TwistedPBook | Nurbs: are you funking serious? I think if you run linux then it shouldn't make a difference that you are using PPC |
| 03:44.43 | phantom__ | kevix: what is that? |
| 03:44.50 | Guerin | Puiu: using gnome or kde or enlightenment? |
| 03:44.59 | sylvisj | Guerin, can I ask him a few questions now? |
| 03:45.06 | Guerin | TwistedPBook: you can think what you want, but that don't make it so |
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| 03:45.12 | Guerin | sylvisj: you needn't ask my permission. |
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| 03:45.29 | waverack | Hi. I'm trying to get gDesklets to work but it doesn't work. |
| 03:45.32 | kevix | phantom__, its the web site of a book on Debian (avail at amazon) |
| 03:45.40 | TwistedPBook | deadcat: Guerin: i'm pretty sure w32codecs work on ppc |
| 03:45.42 | krizu | hi there. I am on sarge and tried to upgrade xfree to xorg. now i cannot login to X (kde et al) anymore. at least I managed to login to failsafe xterm. no errors in XFree.log. I'm stuck !! |
| 03:45.47 | sylvisj | Puiu... do you get ANY sound whatsoever when playing a media file on something like XMMS? |
| 03:45.48 | caphuso | TwistedPBook: no, they don't |
| 03:45.55 | TwistedPBook | deadcat: I was thinking if I built from source? |
| 03:45.58 | waverack | It click on the thing and it comes up with a gDesklets shell but the shell is completely empty, it's just a blank window |
| 03:46.03 | Guerin | ok, i'm wrong |
| 03:46.05 | waverack | how do I fix this? |
| 03:46.06 | Guerin | that's not unusual :) |
| 03:46.09 | Nurbs_ | TwistedPBook: iirc it's mostly packaged windows dlls |
| 03:46.12 | cyberWhiz | I just installed debian sarge on my laptop but it hangs during boot (after passing through GRUB) -- is there any way to prevent usb drivers from loading during boot? it appears to be hanging on the lines beginning with usbi.c |
| 03:46.14 | caphuso | TwistedPBook: w32codecs are _windows_ code and that implies x86 only |
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| 03:46.28 | TwistedPBook | AHHHH! NOOOO!!! I HATE MAC! |
| 03:46.29 | phantom__ | kevix: thanks much. i need to modify grub now and find out of i can turn off acpi now. thank you all! i shall return to this chat room once done to post my results! |
| 03:46.39 | Puiu | sylvisj, no |
| 03:46.41 | Guerin | TwistedPBook: don't hate mac for that reason; hate microsoft. |
| 03:46.50 | Puiu | Guerin, I'm using xfce |
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| 03:46.59 | grah | Guerin, don't the w32codecs work on Alpha as well? |
| 03:47.00 | sylvisj | If you try to play one, does it say 'Sound card not correctly configured' or something similar? |
| 03:47.01 | caphuso | Guerin: to be fair, not all of the w32codecs are from microsoft |
| 03:47.06 | Guerin | Puiu: ok, so no sound server. speakers etc. work? |
| 03:47.08 | caphuso | grah: bah, nonsense |
| 03:47.12 | Guerin | caphuso: true enough. |
| 03:47.19 | caphuso | grah: there hasn't been a alpha port of windows in the last decade |
| 03:47.22 | Puiu | Guerin, speakers don't work |
| 03:47.27 | Puiu | I don't know about sound servers |
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| 03:47.32 | sylvisj | . . . |
| 03:47.36 | kevix | caphuso, so how do folks run those codes on mac with xine or mplayer? |
| 03:47.37 | Guerin | Puiu: what are you using to output sound? |
| 03:47.38 | cyberWhiz | i used the netinstall disk if that helps anyone |
| 03:47.39 | sylvisj | We both asked the wrong questions. |
| 03:47.42 | caphuso | kevix: they don't |
| 03:47.44 | Puiu | Guerin, speakers |
| 03:47.48 | Puiu | onboard speakers in th elaptop |
| 03:47.57 | sylvisj | Why do you try to out volume to somethign that doesn't work? |
| 03:47.58 | Puiu | The sound works in knoppix when I boot a knoppix cd |
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| 03:48.02 | Guerin | Puiu: ok. laptop's hardware volume control up? |
| 03:48.06 | Puiu | yes |
| 03:48.12 | Puiu | I think it's xfce's volume |
| 03:48.13 | Guerin | Puiu: see, this is what I don't get |
| 03:48.14 | Puiu | I'm not sure though. |
| 03:48.32 | sylvisj | Actually, Guerin, I've had an issue like this on a dell - it had a speaker built into the case that would play sounds on windows boot, etc. but for nothing else. |
| 03:48.36 | Guerin | Puiu: no error when you try to play, alsa sees your card, alsamixer says your levels are up |
| 03:48.41 | grah | caphuso I guess your right about that my bad |
| 03:49.10 | Guerin | Puiu: xfce's mixer should just be a front to alsamixer |
| 03:49.16 | grah | Puiu did you run alsaconfig? |
| 03:49.20 | Puiu | nol |
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| 03:50.02 | sylvisj | Puiu: #alsaconf |
| 03:50.10 | sylvisj | Run alsaconf |
| 03:50.11 | waverack | Hi. I'm trying to get gDesklets to work but it doesn't work. |
| 03:50.15 | Guerin | Puiu: run alsamixer; check the levels there. |
| 03:50.15 | waverack | It click on the thing and it comes up with a gDesklets shell but the shell is completely empty, it's just a blank window |
| 03:50.18 | ke6isf | !doesn't work |
| 03:50.19 | waverack | how do I fix this? |
| 03:50.19 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 03:50.32 | waverack | k |
| 03:50.36 | waverack | see above ^_^ |
| 03:50.36 | Puiu | Guerin, after running alsaconf the sound works |
| 03:50.42 | ke6isf | !tell waverack -about enter |
| 03:50.42 | Puiu | Thanks a lot for the help I appreciate it. |
| 03:50.49 | Guerin | Puiu: ok, i've seen this problem before too |
| 03:50.49 | Puiu | Thanks grah and Guerin |
| 03:50.55 | sylvisj | Point to: Grah |
| 03:51.11 | ke6isf | waverack: Not punctuating with enter prevents people from invoking "doesn't work". |
| 03:51.14 | w3rdn4 | what is the gui to configure xorg? |
| 03:51.17 | Guerin | i have one card which won't output sound until you change the volume level |
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| 03:51.21 | waverack | oh i see, thank you for the tip. |
| 03:51.23 | Guerin | even by 1% |
| 03:51.31 | grah | Guerin, I have the problem every time I restart my machine so I have to run alsaconf everytime |
| 03:51.33 | Guerin | it just won't make a peep until you alter the level |
| 03:51.42 | ke6isf | Guerin: Even if it's at full blast? |
| 03:51.49 | Guerin | sound in linux does suck awesomely |
| 03:51.55 | sylvisj | Yes, it does :( |
| 03:52.14 | Guerin | ke6isf: if it's at 100%, it won't make a peep ... drop it to 99%, it'll kick in. Revers also applies. |
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| 03:52.22 | ke6isf | Guerin: That's really weird. |
| 03:52.24 | sylvisj | I can get awesome quality on these $50 Altec Lansing speakers under windows, and no matter what I do it's always distorted on XMMS and such. |
| 03:52.26 | cyberWhiz | is there any way to disable specific drivers from loading during boot? |
| 03:52.31 | Guerin | ke6isf: i blame ESS corporation |
| 03:52.43 | Guerin | cyberWhiz: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 03:52.46 | sylvisj | Guerin - that seems like an issue with the sound card/chip itself. |
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| 03:53.00 | grah | sylvisj, or the driver |
| 03:53.05 | Guerin | sylvisj: i think it's a buggy driver, because under an old kernel it worked normally |
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| 03:53.44 | sylvisj | Both are possible, but the driver does seem logical. I have so much to relearn with linux, having come from windows |
| 03:53.56 | cyberWhiz | Guerin: I can't get Debian to boot -- seems to be the usb drivers -- there is no way through grub to specify booting and confirming all drivers or something similar? |
| 03:54.17 | sylvisj | For instance, which of the many directories woudl be the correct one for mozilla binaries |
| 03:54.20 | w3rdn4 | hmmm |
| 03:54.25 | kevix | Guerin, speaking of blacklisting, what has changed after udev has removed hotplug in regards to blacklisting? |
| 03:54.39 | Guerin | cyberWhiz: boot into recovery |
| 03:54.39 | w3rdn4 | Does anyone know why xfree starts out with 800x600 resolution instead of the highest? |
| 03:54.43 | w3rdn4 | and how do I change it? |
| 03:54.48 | Guerin | kevix: udev is black magic to me. |
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| 03:54.56 | Guerin | !drxx w3rdn4 |
| 03:54.57 | dpkg | w3rdn4: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 03:55.04 | ke6isf | Guerin: Bah, beat me to it. |
| 03:55.10 | grah | sylvisj, well see I would just install the debian package |
| 03:55.16 | Guerin | sylvisj: one with 'bin' in the path |
| 03:55.29 | sylvisj | Grah: I have Mozilla Firefox installed. |
| 03:55.32 | sylvisj | I'm trying to WINE WinMX |
| 03:55.40 | Guerin | oh god |
| 03:55.44 | grah | heh |
| 03:55.44 | sylvisj | Amen. |
| 03:55.48 | grah | good luck with that |
| 03:55.51 | Guerin | didn't the winmx network shut down? |
| 03:56.01 | Guerin | it was always shit for me, anyhow |
| 03:56.04 | grah | damn man #samba isn't very active |
| 03:56.04 | sylvisj | Yeah, people are hosting peer caches off their computers. |
| 03:56.06 | nocxium | for my home use KDE is the winner!!! |
| 03:56.15 | sylvisj | You have to update the WinMX hosts file. |
| 03:56.23 | Guerin | oh |
| 03:56.38 | sylvisj | Right now, the WinMX install process wants an ActiveX control for Firefox installed.... while installing that, it wants the binaries for mozilla. |
| 03:56.44 | grah | nocxium to each their own |
| 03:56.52 | sylvisj | I have about 30 different dirs with 'bin' in the name from dpkg -L mozilla |
| 03:57.05 | ice_1963 | i'm runing sid i installed gnome 2.10.2 but the volume control does not work can some one tell me how to fix it pl |
| 03:57.07 | Guerin | sylvisj: you shouldn't |
| 03:57.20 | sylvisj | I'd paste them if there wasn't the antiflood. |
| 03:57.24 | Guerin | sylvisj: what command do you run to start mozilla? |
| 03:57.27 | nocxium | grah: yes to each they like!!! |
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| 03:57.36 | sylvisj | firefox |
| 03:57.51 | grah | ice_1963, you using alsa? |
| 03:57.54 | Guerin | sylvisj: so dpkg -L firefox |grep bin |grep firefox |
| 03:57.58 | kevix | ice_1963, what does 'cat /proc/asound/cards' say? |
| 03:58.40 | sylvisj | You mean mozilla-firefox, but sure. |
| 03:58.49 | Guerin | sylvisj: oh, yeah |
| 03:58.54 | Guerin | see |
| 03:58.59 | Guerin | now you're thinking for yourself! |
| 03:59.04 | sylvisj | Lol. |
| 03:59.25 | sylvisj | I've been working on computers all day and all of last night - common sense of any sort is unexpected right now. |
| 04:00.00 | kevix | sylvisj, Ben Franklin said 'commonsense is not common' |
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| 04:00.32 | Guerin | not the stupidest thing benny ever said |
| 04:00.47 | sylvisj | ./usr/bin/firefox /usr/bin/mozilla-firefox |
| 04:00.48 | sylvisj | FINALLY |
| 04:00.58 | sylvisj | I didn't know he said that, kevix |
| 04:01.21 | grah | kevix, you use the google quotes thing don;t you? |
| 04:01.29 | ke6isf | Guerin: Makes me curious, just what *is* the stupidest thing Ben ever said? |
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| 04:01.49 | sylvisj | NOO |
| 04:01.50 | sylvisj | GOd |
| 04:01.51 | sylvisj | NO |
| 04:02.05 | ke6isf | !tell sylvisj -about enter |
| 04:02.16 | sylvisj | Yeah. Thx. |
| 04:02.18 | sylvisj | Grr |
| 04:02.39 | sky0 | !tell sky0 -about enter |
| 04:02.58 | kevix | grah, I remember reading somewhere, so now I'll check google! |
| 04:02.58 | Guerin | ke6isf: "I did not have sexual relations with that slave." |
| 04:03.11 | sylvisj | The Mozilla control couldnot be loaded correctly. This is could be due to an invalid location being specified for the Mozilla layout libraries or missing files from your installation. Visit http://www.iol.ie/~locka/mozilla/mozilla.htm for in-depth troubleshooting advice. |
| 04:03.12 | ke6isf | Guerin: Smart aleck. =^_^= |
| 04:03.18 | grah | kevix it was one of the quotes of the day a wekk or so ago on my www.google/ig page |
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| 04:03.46 | Guerin | sylvisj: sucks to be using a shitty windows app |
| 04:03.50 | grah | Guerin, I though that was Thomas Jefferson |
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| 04:03.57 | sylvisj | There has GOT to be an alternative to WINE |
| 04:04.27 | kevix | grah, or Strom Thurman! (actually he did) |
| 04:04.31 | sylvisj | Oh god... I think I just figured this out... |
| 04:04.34 | Guerin | kevix: haha |
| 04:04.41 | ke6isf | sylvisj: You could run real Windoze in a VMWare session. |
| 04:04.43 | Guerin | kevix: good call. |
| 04:04.45 | grah | kevix that was bad |
| 04:04.54 | Guerin | hrm, ftp.kr.d.o is timing out |
| 04:04.56 | sylvisj | The ActiveX control that was downloaded and installed in z:/ on wine... which is... 1 sec... |
| 04:05.01 | nocxium | I tryed fvwm fvwm2 enlightenment vc?? and mutch more ... they are fucked me up cause I used microsoft products before - |
| 04:05.08 | Guerin | *pheer* the ddos which can bring that link down |
| 04:05.12 | sylvisj | Root |
| 04:05.16 | sylvisj | z:/ = Root |
| 04:05.24 | SimonRaven | ffs |
| 04:05.32 | Guerin | it's a fibre pipe thick enough to drive a station wagon full of backup tapes through |
| 04:05.35 | sylvisj | ke6isf, I don't have a Windows CD of any tipe. |
| 04:05.56 | nocxium | the only one I adore is KDE - |
| 04:05.59 | ke6isf | Guerin: That's one big ass pipe. |
| 04:05.59 | nocxium | hehe |
| 04:06.04 | ke6isf | !start a wm war |
| 04:06.04 | dpkg | ratpoison bites! |
| 04:06.16 | nocxium | no war |
| 04:06.24 | ke6isf | !tell nocxium -about repeat |
| 04:06.24 | grah | you no how many anti microsoft zealots actually use the pass word f*ckmicrosoft is rather astounding |
| 04:06.25 | sky0 | sylvisj: sure, vmware just released a free (as in beer) virtual-machine-player; run a simulated windows if you really want/have_to. (see: http://johnbokma.com/mexit/2005/10/26/vmware-player-windows-xp.html or use google) |
| 04:06.25 | Guerin | ke6isf: main trunk line |
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| 04:06.32 | Guerin | grah: haha |
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| 04:06.38 | SimonRaven | learn how to spell before you go writing like that, then you have an excuse |
| 04:06.43 | SimonRaven | @tell root_ -about root |
| 04:07.01 | ke6isf | grah: Now that's what you call "getting down upon your knees and begging for shit to happen". |
| 04:07.05 | grah | Guerin, I have hacked into a few peoples boxes with ssh with taht one rather amusing especially when that is their root password |
| 04:07.17 | sylvisj | Sky0: KICKIN |
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| 04:07.43 | SimonRaven | oooh, i'm so *not* impressed |
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| 04:08.16 | pirulito | oi |
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| 04:08.33 | sylvisj | Can anyone tell me what the process 'getty' is? |
| 04:08.33 | ke6isf | grah: That's not a hack. A hack is when you manage to change their password by way of port 7, because of some obscure bug in Sendmail. |
| 04:08.44 | pirulito | como eu pego programa pra colok proxy no meu servidor? |
| 04:08.56 | grah | ke6isf, that would be a crack I didn;t change anything |
| 04:09.03 | ke6isf | grah: Ah, well said. |
| 04:09.05 | pirulito | como eu pego programa pra colok proxy no meu servidor? |
| 04:09.09 | ke6isf | !es |
| 04:09.10 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 04:09.40 | SimonRaven | amazing, knows the difference |
| 04:09.44 | ke6isf | Wait, that's brazilian. |
| 04:09.44 | ke6isf | !br |
| 04:09.44 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 04:10.02 | Sagan | the debian cd´s comes with xorg or xfree?? |
| 04:10.05 | grah | ke6isf, you mean portugeuse? |
| 04:10.21 | sylvisj | Alright... so what does VMware do? |
| 04:10.22 | grah | Sagan Sarge is xfree I believe |
| 04:10.24 | ke6isf | grah: The IP address is brazilian, ergo he speaks portugese. |
| 04:10.44 | sylvisj | Sarge is xfree, corret. |
| 04:10.48 | sylvisj | correct |
| 04:10.50 | lepton | sylvisj: getty is for logging in on the console |
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| 04:11.00 | sylvisj | Alright, thx. It is running 5 or so times. |
| 04:11.04 | grah | ke6isf, good call |
| 04:11.09 | Sagan | ok, thanks grah sylvisj |
| 04:11.18 | lepton | sylvisj: that's normal |
| 04:11.31 | grah | Sagan you want xorg? |
| 04:11.40 | sylvisj | Alrighty. |
| 04:11.49 | sylvisj | What does VMware do? |
| 04:11.52 | sylvisj | I just need a windows emulator |
| 04:11.55 | ke6isf | !vmware |
| 04:11.55 | dpkg | i heard vmware is for 2.6 kernels, download the patches from ftp://platan.vc.cvut.cz/pub/vmware, read the README, or #vmware, or vmware 5.0 supports 2.6 kernels happily, or offtopic for #debian, being as it is proprietary. You paid for it; get support from the vendor. You DID pay for it, right? |
| 04:12.01 | sky0 | sylvisj: it simulates a computer; you can install any (supported) "client" operating system; Are you basically trying to install winmx? |
| 04:12.04 | nocxium | so everyone made "its" world on debian |
| 04:12.09 | ke6isf | ah. |
| 04:12.10 | sylvisj | Sky0, yes. |
| 04:12.16 | sylvisj | Among other things. |
| 04:12.39 | grah | nocxium, what are you talking about? |
| 04:12.41 | ke6isf | sylvisj: vmware is a machine emulator - a virtual computer. It lets you boot other operating systems from within your operating system. |
| 04:12.47 | sylvisj | Ahh, screw that. |
| 04:12.50 | Sagan | what can I do to get xorg grah?? |
| 04:12.59 | ke6isf | !xorg |
| 04:12.59 | dpkg | somebody said xorg was X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R6.8.2. ask me about <get xorg> |
| 04:13.00 | grah | !sarge xorg |
| 04:13.10 | sylvisj | Are there any alternatives to WINE? |
| 04:13.20 | grah | !xorg sarge |
| 04:13.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, xorg sarge is [1] add these to sources.list without quotes: "deb http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main" "deb-src http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main" [2] run the following command: apt-get update && apt-get install xserver-xorg [3] restart X |
| 04:13.20 | Guerin | sylvisj: you've been told one already. |
| 04:13.25 | sylvisj | Other than VMware/ |
| 04:13.32 | Guerin | sylvisj: qemu |
| 04:13.32 | sylvisj | I just want a windows emulator. |
| 04:13.38 | sylvisj | Thx. |
| 04:13.41 | nocxium | !gnome |
| 04:13.41 | dpkg | [gnome] a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome> |
| 04:13.43 | sky0 | sylvisj: then you don't want to install either vmware (or winmx); just use a p2p program which has a linux client. |
| 04:13.51 | ke6isf | !tell nocxium -about msg the bot |
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| 04:14.03 | grah | Sagan /msg dpkg xorg sarge |
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| 04:14.08 | Guerin | sylvisj: there are no windows emulators |
| 04:14.11 | ke6isf | sylvisj: Is there something on winmx networks that you just simply can't find anywhere else? |
| 04:14.17 | Guerin | ke6isf: no. |
| 04:14.18 | sylvisj | Then what do you consider WINE, guerin? |
| 04:14.21 | w3rdn4 | how do I change get better resolutions? |
| 04:14.24 | lepton | sylvisj: if you have a windows server (XP e.g.) you can login with rdesktop to get a windows desktop |
| 04:14.30 | Guerin | sylvisj: Wine Is Not an Emulator |
| 04:14.31 | grah | sylvisj, it is not an emulator |
| 04:14.32 | sylvisj | ke6isf, it's just a personal preference over Kazaa and Limewire. |
| 04:14.36 | Guerin | sylvisj: it's right there in the title |
| 04:14.41 | Guerin | sylvisj: it's a reimplementation |
| 04:14.43 | w3rdn4 | I tried configuring Xfree with xf86config and it still boots up into the same resolution |
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| 04:14.45 | SimonRaven | sylvisj: uh, Wine Isn't aN Emulator |
| 04:14.45 | mattfury | can someone help, i need to install my *ati* drivers ... |
| 04:14.49 | SimonRaven | duh |
| 04:15.03 | kevix | w3rdn4, reconfigure your video card settings or get a new video card |
| 04:15.03 | sylvisj | Simon, congrats. 3rd person award. |
| 04:15.11 | trask_trojanek | How do I check if I have an Intel x86 or whatever else computer? |
| 04:15.13 | sylvisj | Reimplementation of what, guerin? |
| 04:15.14 | SimonRaven | i see we have some bright bulbs in here ATM |
| 04:15.19 | sylvisj | Trask... what cpu? |
| 04:15.25 | Guerin | sylvisj: read about it on their site |
| 04:15.34 | grah | w3rdn4, make sure your deafult is what you want |
| 04:15.35 | mattfury | could someone help with my problem? |
| 04:15.44 | sylvisj | Mattfury: get an nVidia card. |
| 04:15.46 | trask_trojanek | Huh? |
| 04:15.46 | mattfury | ati video card, needs 3d drivers .. |
| 04:15.52 | sylvisj | Depending on your ATI card, you'll only have limited 3d support, if any. |
| 04:15.56 | grah | !ati |
| 04:15.56 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseAti |
| 04:16.05 | sylvisj | Trask, what CPU is in your computer? |
| 04:16.10 | sylvisj | aka Processor |
| 04:16.15 | trask_trojanek | I don't know, where can I find that out? |
| 04:16.22 | SimonRaven | sylvisj: oh, BTW, you can pogue matone |
| 04:16.24 | sylvisj | Linux or Win? |
| 04:16.31 | sylvisj | pogue matone? English please. |
| 04:16.32 | trask_trojanek | Oh, Linux. |
| 04:16.43 | sylvisj | Not sure. |
| 04:16.51 | kuroaisu | so, if there is an xorg package set for sarge, is there one for testing? |
| 04:17.09 | grah | trask_trojanek, you don;t know wha ttype of processor you have int eh machine? |
| 04:17.13 | ke6isf | kuroaisu: xorg exists in etch by default. |
| 04:17.15 | trask_trojanek | It's an intel |
| 04:17.22 | Guerin | heh, pogue matone is closer to english than you might think |
| 04:17.25 | sylvisj | Pentium up = X86 i386. PentiumPro/Celeron/P2/P3/P4 = i686. |
| 04:17.29 | grah | trask_trojanek, ok so it is x86 |
| 04:17.31 | kevix | trask_trojanek, 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' |
| 04:17.32 | ke6isf | trask_trojanek: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 04:17.41 | w3rdn4 | how do I restart Xfree? |
| 04:17.51 | ke6isf | w3rdn4: 'startx' |
| 04:17.53 | trask_trojanek | Thank you, all. |
| 04:17.56 | mattfury | ok, how do i update my xserver to xorg? |
| 04:18.03 | mattfury | from xfree86? |
| 04:18.05 | kuroaisu | ke6isf: oh, christ.. had I thought to run apt-cache search xorg I'd have known that already. :) |
| 04:18.05 | grah | w3rdn4, alt+ctrl+backspace I think |
| 04:18.10 | trask_trojanek | Is it possible to network a linux computer witha group of win computers? |
| 04:18.12 | lepton | w3rdn4: exit the X server, log back in |
| 04:18.14 | kevix | w3rdn4, either restart your display manger, restart x or ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 04:18.17 | w3rdn4 | how do I just shut x down |
| 04:18.24 | mattfury | killx? |
| 04:18.26 | w3rdn4 | so that i got back to the basic login screen |
| 04:18.28 | ste91_ | anyone know how I can make a list of installed packages, that can be used to set up a fesh install. like 'installed pkgs > pkg.list' 'apt-get install < pkg.list' if that makes sense :/ ? |
| 04:18.30 | ke6isf | oh, *restart*, not *start*. Gerf. |
| 04:18.32 | grah | mattfury, /msg dpkg xorg sarge |
| 04:18.43 | kevix | w3rdn4, ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 04:18.45 | ke6isf | I picked a helluva week to stop drinking coffee. |
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| 04:19.22 | grah | ste91_, well considering you can have a list seperated by spaces I am sure you can figure it out |
| 04:19.24 | trask_trojanek | Where can I get the whole installation manual for Intel x86? |
| 04:19.46 | kevix | trask_trojanek, have you searched the debian.org site? |
| 04:19.53 | grah | trask_trojanek, you need to learn about Samba |
| 04:20.13 | grah | trask_trojanek, #samba is a goo dplace for you |
| 04:20.29 | trask_trojanek | Sorry, I just scrolled down and saw the plain text of the guide. |
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| 04:20.44 | trask_trojanek | Why should I join samba? |
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| 04:20.56 | grah | ok I give up man I can't figure out how to add a windows 2000 machine to my samba pdc |
| 04:20.57 | kevix | trask_trojanek, or you can 'apt-get install installation-guide-i386' |
| 04:20.58 | thedog[away] | is there an undelete method on reiserfs, when a file is deleted through the network? |
| 04:21.05 | Huahua | uys |
| 04:21.10 | SimonRaven | samba for networking? |
| 04:21.17 | sky0 | mattfury: have you seen this: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html ? What card exactly? |
| 04:21.24 | SimonRaven | thedog[away]: no. fetch your backups |
| 04:21.35 | kevix | thedog[away], is it possible, yes, is it simple and painless , no. |
| 04:21.43 | trask_trojanek | Oh, is Samba used to network Win + Lin? |
| 04:21.46 | thedog[away] | stupid away script |
| 04:21.47 | SimonRaven | yeh, backups. yes, easy. |
| 04:22.00 | thedog | anyone else got an idea? |
| 04:22.01 | sylvisj | I've completely forgot what to do with tar.gz files |
| 04:22.15 | SimonRaven | trask_trojanek: no, it's for sharing file shares |
| 04:22.17 | sylvisj | dpkg something, isn't it? |
| 04:22.28 | kevix | sylvisj, tar -xzvf myfile.tar.gz |
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| 04:22.34 | sylvisj | Thx. |
| 04:22.35 | TwistedPBook | how do I decompress .bz2? |
| 04:22.42 | phantom_ | hello and i'm back! |
| 04:22.43 | grah | SimonRaven, that is all it does? |
| 04:22.48 | SimonRaven | man, i give up. |
| 04:22.51 | sriman | rm -rf myfile.bz2 |
| 04:22.51 | Guerin | TwistedPBook: bunzip2 |
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| 04:22.57 | TwistedPBook | Guerin: ty |
| 04:23.00 | thedog | TwistedPBook wikipedia has method |
| 04:23.12 | TwistedPBook | sriman: funny fag ;) |
| 04:23.14 | Guerin | sriman: very lossy method, that one |
| 04:23.27 | kevix | Guerin, 100% effective |
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| 04:23.51 | Guerin | kevix: actually, you'll find it COMPRESSES the files down infinitessimally |
| 04:23.56 | Guerin | but with 1000$ data loss |
| 04:24.00 | Guerin | err |
| 04:24.00 | ste91_ | grah: ok I'll assume that list is in /var/apt/dpkg or something similar. but how do I tell my clean install to get those pakages..,? |
| 04:24.02 | Guerin | 100% |
| 04:24.04 | phantom_ | Guerin, thanks for the help! that got kacpid down from startup,now i can work on my 2.6.8-14 kernel... if i can figure out the rest of my setup and if ncurses is installed. |
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| 04:24.30 | Guerin | phantom_: try a debian 2.6.13 kernel from sid |
| 04:24.33 | sriman | the better way to compress you already compresses file . |
| 04:24.37 | kevix | ste91_, do you want to reinstall something? |
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| 04:24.38 | Guerin | phantom_: grab it from packages.debian.org |
| 04:24.46 | dbw | what is the command to run a second instance of gdm? |
| 04:24.51 | phantom_ | hmm... ok. |
| 04:24.52 | sylvisj | I've got VMware unpacked, what do I do with it now? |
| 04:24.57 | grah | ste91_ with a little bash you can do an apt-get install package1 package 2 and so on til you have what you want then you just run the command |
| 04:24.59 | dbw | i know you can do it from the GNOME menu |
| 04:25.01 | ke6isf | sriman: It's rather lossy though. |
| 04:25.02 | Guerin | sriman: follow the instructions |
| 04:25.03 | phantom_ | Guerin, i'll try that. thanks. |
| 04:25.06 | sriman | dbw, Xnest |
| 04:25.16 | mattfury | sky0, yeah ive seen it, i hate that page. |
| 04:25.29 | Guerin | ste91_: dpkg --get-selections > list |
| 04:25.30 | nocxium | !beer |
| 04:25.30 | dpkg | hmm... beer is liquid gold mate |
| 04:25.32 | dbw | sriman: sure, but that starts an X server without a DM |
| 04:25.43 | dbw | sriman: (also, i don't want a nested server) |
| 04:25.44 | Guerin | ste91_: on clean box, dpkg --set-selections < list |
| 04:25.44 | grah | ste91_, although I don;t know why you would want to you can just copy the damn list out and install ti everytime on new machiens considering you actually have to answer questions to some packages |
| 04:25.55 | Guerin | beer++ |
| 04:25.56 | sriman | Xserver -query localhost :1 |
| 04:26.21 | sylvisj | Sky0, what do I do with VMware now that it's unpacked? |
| 04:26.25 | sky0 | mattfury: If your card is 'old' enough, I advise using the 'radeon' (free) driver; in any case you don't really need xorg (instead of xfree86). |
| 04:26.32 | dbw | sriman: thank your |
| 04:26.35 | dbw | *you |
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| 04:27.29 | ste91_ | guerin: thanks think that was what I was looking for |
| 04:27.30 | dbw | sriman: er... thanks, but that does not work... |
| 04:27.36 | mattfury | sky0, /me needs 3D acceleration >> is gamer. |
| 04:27.41 | phantom_ | Guerin, is there any way to add packages.debian.org into my sources.list so i can scan it automatically? |
| 04:27.59 | grah | phantom_, yes /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:28.03 | sylvisj | Gaming is a challenge on linux. |
| 04:28.07 | ste91_ | grah: you mean copy the list, then just apt-update or whatever |
| 04:28.17 | sylvisj | It's much easier to set up nVidia cards - what ATi card are you using? |
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| 04:28.48 | kevix | phantom_, 'apt-cache show apt-file' |
| 04:28.54 | phantom_ | grah, yeah. that's the place, but can i put packages.debian.org into it by just adding 'deb http://packages.debian.org' into the list? |
| 04:29.05 | Guerin | phantom_: no. |
| 04:29.10 | cookiecaper | hi. I'm trying to add KDE 3.4.3 to my apt-get repos so I can apt-get install kde and have KDE 3.4. I thought this could be done by using the alioth repositories, but I can't find the correct line to add. Any help? |
| 04:29.14 | grah | ste91_, no I mean apt-get install and paste the package list but you can do what guerrin says to that looks like about the same mount of work |
| 04:29.24 | Guerin | phantom_: in this case you just want one package |
| 04:29.39 | Guerin | cookiecaper: /topic |
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| 04:29.43 | sylvisj | Mattfury: what ATI card are you using? |
| 04:29.47 | mattfury | sylvisj, make sure you use the matt-tab thing so i can see it. im kinda uber-super-multi-tasking. |
| 04:29.53 | sylvisj | Alright... |
| 04:29.57 | mattfury | radeon 9250. |
| 04:30.09 | mattfury | needs upgrade .. should be hell .. |
| 04:30.10 | sylvisj | Tricky. I'm unsure on that one. |
| 04:30.12 | sky0 | mattfury: if you card is newer >9200, you need the fglrx driver. try to find a tutorial on the web; if you are feeling uncertain either print it out or have another computer nearby: you might loose the graphical environment for a while. |
| 04:30.16 | phantom_ | Guerin, hmm. yes, but i would like to add to my pitiful little sources.list though... been wondering if i can add to it or not. |
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| 04:30.17 | ste91_ | grah: ok thanks for the input |
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| 04:30.35 | spdf | !tell mattfury about ati drivers |
| 04:30.38 | sylvisj | Sky0, isn't the 9250 just a revamped 9200 core? |
| 04:30.38 | Guerin | phantom_: nope. packages.d.o is purely a search tool |
| 04:30.47 | cookiecaper | Guerin, that just says KDE 3.4 is available for unstable and to ask him about why it isn't in testing |
| 04:30.59 | kevix | phantom_, what are you trying to do? |
| 04:31.10 | Guerin | cookiecaper: oh. it used to have instructions for the alioth thing |
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| 04:31.19 | Guerin | cookiecaper: dunno anything more, sorry |
| 04:31.24 | kevix | !alioth kde |
| 04:31.40 | mattfury | is there a pre-compiled version?? |
| 04:31.41 | phantom_ | Guerin, ok. thanks. it finally listed everything for 2.6.13, |
| 04:31.46 | sylvisj | hahahaha. |
| 04:32.00 | k-dog | So, in testing/unstable, xf86 => x.org wants to remove most of my X packages. |
| 04:32.05 | k-dog | Any way to avoid that pain? |
| 04:32.09 | phantom_ | kevix, all i am looking to do is to find more sites for my sources.list so i can find more packages. |
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| 04:32.22 | sylvisj | Mattfury, I still haven't seen precompiled for nVidia, which has more linux support than ATi. |
| 04:32.37 | mattfury | ._. |
| 04:32.40 | kevix | phantom_, apt-get.org backports.org (not official debian sites--but usefull) |
| 04:32.43 | Guerin | k-dog: like what packages? |
| 04:32.44 | spdf | mattfury, You have to compile the kernel module at least.. |
| 04:33.05 | phantom_ | like i have said, i am new to debian, and i am looking to enhance my linux experences by learning a more advanced type of linux than Mandriva. |
| 04:33.08 | mattfury | my c experience is nill. |
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| 04:33.23 | phantom_ | kevix, thanks. i shall look at them. |
| 04:33.24 | mattfury | if i do any compiling it probably be here o_0 |
| 04:33.25 | spdf | mattfury, you don't have to write the code.. just compile it.. |
| 04:33.26 | k-dog | Guerin: abiword, karpski, latex2rtf, lesstif1, ... |
| 04:33.35 | grah | phantom_ you don;t really need to add more sources maybe just add more aliases |
| 04:33.37 | k-dog | Guerin: ... *lots*. |
| 04:33.42 | sky0 | sylvisj: I don't know; and you really don't want to install vmware just to run winmx! Using another p2p-program is far simpler. using vmware is rather complex, if you don't know what you are doing. |
| 04:33.44 | mattfury | spdf, *howto* ? |
| 04:33.55 | Guerin | k-dog: ok, that's pretty bad. |
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| 04:34.12 | mattfury | I've never used gcc. |
| 04:34.15 | Guerin | k-dog: find out what specific conflict: or depend: is causing that to happen |
| 04:34.23 | spdf | mattfury, there's instructions.. once you have the module source installed, its as easy as umpacking it, cd'ing to the directory, running "./make.sh", and copying fglrx.ko to your modules directory |
| 04:34.24 | sylvisj | sky0, I've guessed that. |
| 04:34.29 | phantom_ | grah, well, i know that i need to add something, since i can't even find simple sources like acidrip. |
| 04:34.33 | k-dog | Guerin: Doing that now .. |
| 04:34.46 | sylvisj | Mattfury: The 9250 is the same core as the 9200 with with a higher clock speed, from what I've read. |
| 04:34.53 | phantom_ | grah, what are aliases and what do they do in the sources.list? |
| 04:34.56 | spdf | phantom_, acidrip is on marillat's rep... /msg dpkg marillat |
| 04:35.10 | sylvisj | I'm out all, I'm whipped. I'll resume this in the morning. Later. |
| 04:35.13 | mattfury | when i read the flavio drivers, it doesnt make sense. |
| 04:35.28 | kevix | mattfury, http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 04:35.50 | grah | phantom_, I mean like sarge main contrib non-free aliases at the back of yrou sources |
| 04:35.58 | phantom_ | spdf, thanks. will look into that. |
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| 04:36.46 | phantom_ | grah, hmmm... so that's what those are for. thought that was just for the person looking into the file to know what the website is to. |
| 04:37.22 | phantom_ | grah, so i can add all the alises onto the rear of the site and be able to update the packages sources and see more packages listed? |
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| 04:37.57 | trask_trojanek | How can I burn my .iso to a CD-R disk using Fedora Core 4 Linux? |
| 04:37.59 | grah | phantom_, in lamens terms yes after you apt-get update of course |
| 04:38.44 | Guerin | trask_trojanek: ask #fedora |
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| 04:38.50 | kevix | phantom_, there is the 'branch' (sid,unstable,etch,testing,sarge,stable) and the repository (main,contrin,non-free) |
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| 04:39.01 | Guerin | trask_trojanek: probably using k3b or something |
| 04:39.11 | phantom_ | grah, thanks. |
| 04:39.19 | phantom_ | kevix, branch? |
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| 04:39.41 | phantom_ | kevix, ok, so that's all that i can add to the rear of the site stirng then? |
| 04:39.45 | bdmaglin | is there some info on the smallest kernel? a contest or something |
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| 04:39.55 | trask_trojanek | Is it easy(or even possible) to install Java on Debian? |
| 04:40.02 | Guerin | trask_trojanek: yes |
| 04:40.04 | Guerin | trask_trojanek: topic |
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| 04:40.09 | kevix | phantom_, this my main one: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
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| 04:41.23 | phantom_ | kevix, ah. i think i see now. thanks for the example. |
| 04:41.32 | kevix | phantom_, each branch has a main,contrib or non-free repository for packages. |
| 04:41.52 | k-dog | Guerin: OK, seems to have worked out... |
| 04:42.04 | k-dog | Guerin: ... next question will be getting X working on this diplay |
| 04:42.11 | kevix | phantom_, main is all free, contrib DEPENDS on something non-free, non-free is well non-free |
| 04:42.14 | phantom_ | ok. so how can i figure out if i am stable or unstable? |
| 04:42.17 | Guerin | k-dog: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 04:42.23 | Guerin | phantom_: you're running stable |
| 04:42.32 | kevix | phantom_, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 04:42.33 | phantom_ | Guerin, how is that? |
| 04:42.43 | Guerin | phantom_: and I recommend you stay that way until you find your feet a bit |
| 04:42.53 | Guerin | phantom_: because stable is the only branch with 2.6.8 kernel |
| 04:43.06 | mattfury | w0w xmms creates great audio quality (and this is running from a ntfs partition) |
| 04:43.19 | mattfury | (the music) |
| 04:43.29 | Guerin | all mp3 players should yield equivalent quality |
| 04:43.38 | kevix | phantom_, as Guerin says, if you switch to testing or unstable, get ready for a bumpy ride! |
| 04:43.39 | Guerin | they all use the same underlying libraries |
| 04:43.41 | phantom_ | Guerin, ah. well, thanks for the heads up guys. this is all very interesting. |
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| 04:43.57 | phantom_ | kevix, looks like i stick with stable for a time hehe. |
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| 04:45.15 | phantom_ | so then should i stick with stable instead of unstable in my sources.list then? |
| 04:45.20 | phantom_ | as an alias? |
| 04:45.43 | spdf | phantom_, probably a good idea |
| 04:45.45 | mattfury | Guerin, this is better than > ogg |
| 04:46.04 | Guerin | mattfury: must be encoded at a higher rate, then |
| 04:46.10 | Guerin | phantom_: yes. |
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| 04:47.02 | phantom_ | nice. thanks for the info. i shall keep all this in mind. |
| 04:47.26 | Guerin | ugh, running kde apps from the cli spits so much garbage |
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| 04:47.40 | trask_trojanek | Hopefully this works |
| 04:47.42 | xsquared | hi, where did mallirat go? |
| 04:47.45 | xsquared | :'-( |
| 04:47.49 | xsquared | i miss it already |
| 04:48.04 | phantom_ | ok, going AFK for a time thanks for the info guys. |
| 04:48.06 | spdf | You mean, marillat? |
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| 04:48.28 | xsquared | thats the one |
| 04:48.35 | xsquared | where did it go? |
| 04:48.38 | spdf | xsquared, /msg dpkg marillat |
| 04:48.45 | spdf | xsquared, Its still here. |
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| 04:50.54 | w3rdn4 | ook |
| 04:51.03 | w3rdn4 | I freaking edited the configure file for xfree86 |
| 04:51.07 | w3rdn4 | and it does not work |
| 04:51.53 | k-dog | Guerin: Dig. |
| 04:51.57 | welson | I've seen the manual, but anyone knows if it is correct, if I'm assuming it to be, two lines for samba credentials file ->user= and password= ? I mean <value> can mean "string" ? |
| 04:52.22 | welson | if \" is optional .? |
| 04:52.29 | lsald | w3rdn4, of course you made a backup of the xorg.conf before you edited it right |
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| 04:52.36 | eeyore- | welson: what do you mean? |
| 04:52.37 | kevix | w3rdn4, what section did you edit? |
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| 04:53.04 | w3rdn4 | I also edited the resolution section |
| 04:53.06 | welson | eeyore-, i'm wondering if my credentials file is being parsed at all, or if it is that it should be telling me |
| 04:53.21 | w3rdn4 | I deleted all the 800X600 and it still gives me 800X600 |
| 04:53.31 | welson | eeyore-, so is it just these two lines or is it on 1, the manual doesn't mention this.. |
| 04:54.01 | eeyore- | welson: sorry, can't help. i have no idea what you're talking about (i do use samba/cifs but i just don't know what you're talking about) |
| 04:54.02 | welson | w3rdn4, that's because it might be using the framebuffer driver |
| 04:54.41 | welson | eeyore-, i'm using the credentials option in /etc/fstab so that i wouldn't store usr/pw but in /etc/<anotherpath> .. |
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| 04:55.02 | welson | eeyore-, it's manual page doesn't say much other than these two values |
| 04:55.03 | eeyore- | welson: oh, smbfs ... |
| 04:55.09 | eeyore- | one sec |
| 04:55.21 | w3rdn4 | I manually set my syncs correctly |
| 04:55.32 | w3rdn4 | based upon the manual pages that come with my monitor |
| 04:55.47 | w3rdn4 | how do I turn off framebuffer? |
| 04:56.55 | welson | w3rdn4, well you can probably turn it off from the bootline |
| 04:57.19 | welson | w3rdn4, you can see more info in the log |
| 04:57.28 | eeyore- | welson: sorry, i don't have a manpage for smbmount right now. i do remember that the credential option does work as advertised |
| 04:57.34 | kevix | w3rdn4, did you try 'X -configure' ? |
| 04:58.06 | dilku | I'm tring upgrade my system to etch .. But I get this error when I try to do a dist-upgrade |
| 04:58.29 | welson | eeyore-, the mount work correctly in the cmdline, but i haven't been successful with&without the credentials file by trying to use /etc/fstab |
| 04:58.30 | w3rdn4 | Fatal server error: |
| 04:58.30 | w3rdn4 | Server is already active for display 0 |
| 04:58.40 | kevix | dilku, would you mind telling us what error? |
| 04:58.55 | welson | eeyore-, what other way can i use for /home/user/pathsmbshare is there to use? |
| 04:59.19 | maatttt | can anyone recommend a pop3 and imap service for Stable, I see there are several available ? |
| 04:59.28 | welson | eeyore-, I mean smb:// for konqueror is one, but sucks for apps that don't understand this smb:// via |
| 04:59.34 | dilku | I will use the #flood |
| 04:59.37 | w3rdn4 | how do I shut down the entire X interface with something like init |
| 04:59.41 | k-dog | Guerin: Oo.o is a freakin' bloatmonster. |
| 04:59.53 | k-dog | Guerin: ... even at broadband speeds. |
| 04:59.55 | Guerin | k-dog: heeeeeel yeah |
| 04:59.57 | kevix | w3rdn4, sounds like X is already running |
| 05:00.14 | dilku | kevix, did u get it ?? |
| 05:00.19 | w3rdn4 | for real, X is starting to piss me off with this debian default install |
| 05:00.23 | w3rdn4 | net instlal that is |
| 05:00.36 | welson | w3rdn4, what graphic card are you using? |
| 05:00.46 | kevix | dilku, ok. send it again. |
| 05:00.49 | w3rdn4 | Geforce 2 256 DDR |
| 05:01.05 | dilku | it is udev issue .. |
| 05:01.08 | welson | w3rdn4, then your video driver I guess should be "nv" |
| 05:01.15 | w3rdn4 | #349 |
| 05:01.18 | w3rdn4 | correct welson |
| 05:01.24 | k-dog | Guerin: u a girl? |
| 05:01.48 | welson | w3rdn4, see the log and that nv is used |
| 05:01.56 | pfp | maatttt: courier is nice, but it only supports Maildirs |
| 05:02.02 | Guerin | k-dog: oh, it's u |
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| 05:02.13 | w3rdn4 | where are the logs for it? |
| 05:02.14 | maatttt | maildirs are bad ? |
| 05:02.19 | welson | /var/log |
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| 05:02.36 | Guerin | nope, maildirs are the best thing ever invented by djb |
| 05:02.39 | chris_ | !hit cddesjar |
| 05:02.44 | maatttt | what about dovecoat ? anyone used it ? |
| 05:02.46 | eeyore- | maatttt: cyrus? |
| 05:02.54 | w3rdn4 | sn |
| 05:02.55 | pfp | maatttt: maildirs are good imo, but you have to set up postfix/exim/whatever to deliver to them |
| 05:02.56 | w3rdn4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:02.59 | eeyore- | maatttt: is this pop3/imap server going to sit outside the firewall or inside? |
| 05:03.15 | maatttt | bum sticking out into the internet |
| 05:03.23 | welson | w3rdn4, grep -Hn nv /var/log/X* |
| 05:03.31 | eeyore- | maatttt: so it's not gonna have real user accounts anyway, right? |
| 05:03.44 | maatttt | very few, but yes. |
| 05:03.49 | k-dog | Guerin: It's _always_ me. |
| 05:03.52 | eeyore- | maatttt: so why do you care? |
| 05:04.02 | k-dog | maatttt: maildir is good. |
| 05:04.13 | eeyore- | maatttt: why do you care whether pop3/imap server delivers to maildir or whatever ... |
| 05:04.16 | w3rdn4 | /var/log/XFree86.0.log.old:291:(II) Module nv: vendor="The XFree86 Project" |
| 05:04.27 | k-dog | maatttt: ... though performance can lag if you've got tons of messages, have to rescan files. |
| 05:04.30 | w3rdn4 | the nv module loads |
| 05:04.31 | maatttt | I'm not sure I do care. |
| 05:05.00 | welson | eeyore-, do I have to escape the servicename's (first field) "\" in /etc/fstab ? |
| 05:05.25 | eeyore- | maatttt: cyrus imap/pop3 + mysql-based authentication, doesn't have any link to any internal authentication infrastructure (unless you really wanted, but i prefer to keep my outside machines completely outside :-) |
| 05:05.31 | pacman | if you use mbox files, you don't just have to read the whole thing to find out how many messages there are (eek!) you have to REWRITE the whole thing to change a flag or delete a message (argh!) |
| 05:05.39 | eeyore- | welson: show me your /etc/fstab |
| 05:05.55 | w3rdn4 | welson, any idea if nv shows up as loaded? |
| 05:05.59 | kevix | w3rdn4, use #flood |
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| 05:06.40 | maatttt | I just need to be able to connect and download some email for about 5 users. |
| 05:06.43 | eeyore- | pacman: there are other things besides maildir/mbox :-) |
| 05:06.43 | w3rdn4 | what is the command to copy commands through irc command line? |
| 05:07.05 | k-dog | w3rdn4: /exec -o <cmd> |
| 05:07.09 | kevix | w3rdn4, you '/join #flood' and then paste the command there |
| 05:07.15 | k-dog | w3rdn4: ... no more than 2 lines here though. |
| 05:07.17 | mattfury | how do i restart x? |
| 05:07.31 | k-dog | mattfury: /etc/init.d/[xwgk]dm restart |
| 05:07.43 | kevix | mattfury, or ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 05:07.43 | k-dog | mattfury: ... or 'startx' on the commandline of a virtual console. |
| 05:07.50 | mattfury | ok |
| 05:07.58 | Tortel | how can i make my screensaver not say "Display XFree86-misc missing on display 0:0"? |
| 05:07.58 | k-dog | mattfury: ... last assumes you've killed the present session. |
| 05:08.10 | welson | eeyore-, well I haven't been able to use /etc/fstab with mount, but the mount cmd alone with the long arguments works-- however here's the excerpt: |
| 05:08.14 | k-dog | Tortel: I think you can disable error messages. |
| 05:08.14 | welson | eeyore-, \\amd_pc\foomedia /home/bob/foobar smbfs username="foouser",password="foopass",netbiosname="amd_pc",workgroup="WORKGROUP |
| 05:08.20 | Tortel | oo |
| 05:08.25 | k-dog | Tortel: xscreensaver-prefs and look through the dialogs. |
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| 05:09.37 | G3NT00_US3R | I'm a cucumber! |
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| 05:09.43 | Tortel | k-dog, it doesnt find that command |
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| 05:10.34 | durt | which cd torrent should i download when there are 14 to choose from? |
| 05:10.37 | Guerin | ah, the cucumber defence |
| 05:10.41 | Guerin | durt: the first |
| 05:10.46 | k-dog | Tortel: Then find the package with it and install |
| 05:10.56 | k-dog | durt: The right one. |
| 05:11.10 | welson | w3rdn4, in order to use the new changes, X must be restarted |
| 05:11.12 | durt | guerin: thanks - what are others? |
| 05:11.25 | w3rdn4 | welson, I have restarted before, no luck |
| 05:11.27 | lsald | ctrl-alt backspace |
| 05:11.44 | k-dog | durt: Supposing you might tell us where you're seeing these links, I'd suggest you read the page. |
| 05:11.51 | welson | w3rdn4, also, it mentions what config file is being used (in the log file) |
| 05:12.28 | w3rdn4 | hmm, how do I find that |
| 05:12.31 | welson | w3rdn4, /var/log/X.0.log |
| 05:12.57 | Tortel | well, im goin to sleep |
| 05:12.58 | durt | k-dog, i would like to download a debian ISO with bittorrent, and the debian site lists 14 different torrents |
| 05:12.58 | welson | w3rdn4, or Xorg.0.log (i'm using xorg) |
| 05:13.23 | k-dog | durt: Do the letters "URL" and "ESP" mean anything to you? |
| 05:13.30 | k-dog | durt: You've got the former. I don't have the latter. |
| 05:13.40 | durt | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/weekly/torrents/i386/ |
| 05:13.41 | welson | w3rdn4, it's on the top, use less or mc cmds (less is a pager, like more) |
| 05:13.42 | k-dog | durt: If you want meaningful answers, post meaningful questions. |
| 05:13.53 | w3rdn4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:13.56 | w3rdn4 | bloody! |
| 05:14.04 | eeyore- | good night, people |
| 05:14.12 | w3rdn4 | time to edit original config file |
| 05:14.19 | w3rdn4 | how do I make a quick back up ? |
| 05:14.23 | pacman | wait, don't tell me, I'm good at the Jumble, let's see, URL+ESP... L-PURSE? P-LUSER |
| 05:14.30 | Guerin | durt: cd1 is the most commonly installed software. cds 2-14 contain software of decreasing popularity |
| 05:14.34 | welson | w3rdn4, so you were editing what file before? |
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| 05:14.42 | w3rdn4 | correct |
| 05:14.43 | xsquared | w3rdn4: cp <file> <file>.bck |
| 05:14.49 | k-dog | durt: ... what Guerin said. |
| 05:15.01 | k-dog | durt: You should also read the installation manual, at the very least the quickstart guide. |
| 05:15.24 | durt | ok - thank you |
| 05:15.34 | w3rdn4 | this is wack |
| 05:15.34 | xsquared | is it possible to use a passphrase to unencrypt a GPG block? how is this done? |
| 05:15.44 | w3rdn4 | but never the less intersting |
| 05:15.45 | w3rdn4 | haha |
| 05:15.51 | k-dog | durt: I'd also very much suggest you do a network install unless you've got a compelling need to install from CD. |
| 05:16.33 | k-dog | !tell durt about netinst |
| 05:16.54 | welson | w3rdn4, next time, take a little peek at /usr/share/doc/<packagename> -- it tells what the default files are for quick-hand |
| 05:16.59 | durt | the computer im going to try this on has no internet connection |
| 05:17.30 | w3rdn4 | time for a resolution upgrade |
| 05:17.32 | w3rdn4 | brb |
| 05:17.40 | xsdg | is there a decent comparison of knoppix and debian somewhere? |
| 05:17.50 | k-dog | durt: OK, that's a valid reason. |
| 05:17.58 | kevix | xsdg, what did you want to know? |
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| 05:17.59 | parallaxlan | isn't knoppix based on debian? |
| 05:18.14 | k-dog | !knoppix |
| 05:18.15 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandriva is redhat. |
| 05:18.17 | xsdg | parallaxlan: yes, but "based on" isn't "is" |
| 05:18.23 | kevix | parallaxlan, based on yes, totally compatible, no. |
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| 05:18.53 | welson | xsdg, google |
| 05:18.59 | xsdg | kevix: basically, what are the differences, and how will they manifest themselves in everyday use (not my personal everyday use, but that of a friend) |
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| 05:19.03 | welson | xsdg, #knoppix is for knoppix |
| 05:19.08 | xsdg | welson: ... |
| 05:19.48 | welson | xsdg, i've tried it out, the main difference is that the scripts are really meant for a 1-user system-- |
| 05:20.07 | kevix | xsdg, more or less knoppix uses debian packages, but modifies many things so as not to be 100 compaitble in file location or packages. |
| 05:20.13 | durt | can anyone confirm that ndiswrapper works in debian? |
| 05:20.20 | kevix | durt, yes. |
| 05:20.21 | xsdg | durt: I've used it before |
| 05:20.38 | welson | xsdg, it's a pretty sloppy startup-- upgrading it can cause havoc since debian package scripts may do the same thing, like try to bring up the network again-- |
| 05:20.39 | durt | super |
| 05:21.02 | xsdg | welson: ::nod:: |
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| 05:21.51 | w3rdn4 | WeWT it works |
| 05:21.58 | w3rdn4 | new super huge resolution |
| 05:22.07 | w3rdn4 | 1280x1024 |
| 05:22.09 | kevix | xsdg, its great for its intented purpose. run off of cd, portible office. but its built mostly off of 'unstable'. |
| 05:22.13 | w3rdn4 | I can finally see my website!!! |
| 05:22.24 | ke6isf | !beer w3rdn4 |
| 05:22.30 | maatttt | If I install a package with apt-get, how can I remove it and everything that was installed when it was installed ? |
| 05:22.34 | kevix | w3rdn4, so what was the 'magic'? |
| 05:22.38 | xsdg | kevix: "but"? unstable is awesome! ::duck:: |
| 05:22.42 | maatttt | like how do i roll back ? |
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| 05:22.51 | kevix | maatttt, you dont! |
| 05:23.02 | maatttt | why not ? |
| 05:23.07 | w3rdn4 | the magic was editing the correct config file that X was using |
| 05:23.11 | ke6isf | maatttt: 'apt-get --purge remove pkgname', then 'deborphan'. |
| 05:23.13 | kevix | maatttt, there is 'remove' and 'purge'. |
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| 05:23.20 | welson | parallaxlan, it's good for 1-time user, but upgrading it would create certain unpredicatble things-- it's best to simply just find out if you can list your hardware, fiddle and learn abit from it, you can install it, but upgrading is a no-no.. in my opinion at least ( I consider it good for only a 1-user system) |
| 05:23.22 | w3rdn4 | X was using XF86Config-4 instead of XF86Config |
| 05:23.48 | maatttt | cool, thanks. |
| 05:24.15 | welson | w3rdn4, your X is what xfree86 ? |
| 05:24.24 | ke6isf | Hmm, interesting, marillat's updated. |
| 05:24.25 | kevix | w3rdn4, yes. I did that once! the -4 means version 4 (which is what you are using) the other is for version 3. |
| 05:24.40 | bcc | hi guys, does anyone know where i can get some info on how to connect to a remote box running xorg? |
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| 05:24.45 | bcc | not with vnc |
| 05:24.47 | w3rdn4 | the weird part is that when I did XF86config to manually set up the XF86config it wrote the file to XF86config instead of XF86config-4 sooooo I was doing that command a few times before I broke out a text editor and started editing the wrong config file. |
| 05:24.52 | xsdg | ke6isf: hmm? |
| 05:24.53 | ke6isf | bcc: ssh. |
| 05:25.07 | kevix | bcc, gnome-meeting? |
| 05:25.08 | bcc | nah, i want to set up my desktop on a box in a datacenter |
| 05:25.13 | parallaxlan | welson: huh? which is better for a 1-user system, knoppix? |
| 05:25.18 | bcc | so i would like to use x protocol remotely |
| 05:25.20 | welson | bcc, y, the remote doesn't need X to be running if you're using ssh |
| 05:25.38 | ke6isf | parallaxlan: Just use Debian. Works fine for 1 to 1000000 users. |
| 05:25.42 | w3rdn4 | anyone get xdirectfb to work? |
| 05:25.46 | bcc | you mean to tunnel it over ssh? |
| 05:25.47 | kevix | parallaxlan, there are like a gazillion knoppix variants. which one? |
| 05:25.52 | parallaxlan | i am ;) |
| 05:25.54 | ke6isf | bcc: Sure. |
| 05:26.00 | bcc | nah, that's not what i meant. i'll do it |
| 05:26.15 | maatttt | there is a v1.2 of rrdtool here http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/debian/pool/main/r/rrdtool/ |
| 05:26.21 | bcc | but i mean, where can i read something about connecting to x that is not running on the same box and the display and keyword |
| 05:26.26 | maatttt | but not when i use apt-cache search |
| 05:26.45 | welson | parallaxlan, I never said i was comparing 1-user systems-- I judge by the way knoppix scripts are set-out, that it's seemingly stable for a 1-user system.. but don't expect the system to be extensible with debian upgrade packages, there'll be breakage, so in essence knoppix is good for boot-cd, but not good for install |
| 05:27.12 | pacman | if you just want to use X over the network directly, as it was originally intended, all you have to do is set a DISPLAY variable pointing to the right place. It works without any special treatment. But it is very bandwidth hungry, and not very secure soy ou only want to use it over wires that you're sure are not being sniffed |
| 05:27.19 | parallaxlan | I kind of figured that |
| 05:27.46 | bcc | pacman, i'll tunnel, that's not a problem. |
| 05:27.48 | welson | w3rdn4, check the logs again, be sure you know it's using the right config-- if you're in doubt, check the manual ;-) |
| 05:27.54 | ke6isf | maatttt: When did you install this system? |
| 05:27.55 | bcc | so i would set DISPLAY and run startx? |
| 05:28.08 | maatttt | today. |
| 05:28.11 | parallaxlan | welson, but i was slightly confused by what you were saying before, so i guess it's my bad |
| 05:28.15 | ke6isf | maatttt: Have you run apt-setup yet? |
| 05:28.35 | pacman | bcc, no, you'd run startx then you log in to the remote system, set DISPLAY=myhost:0, and run whatever X programs you want. Or, on the other hand, if you want the ENTIRE session to be run remotely rather than just a few windows, you could use xdmcp |
| 05:28.38 | maatttt | sure, apt-setup, apt-get update. |
| 05:28.53 | maatttt | apt-get show rrdtool is v1 |
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| 05:29.06 | welson | parallaxlan, I mentioned that I wouldn't mind newbies trying it out, so long as they don't claim it's debian-compatible and extensible to include deb upgrades against it-- my recommendation is not to install it (but trying it out is fine) |
| 05:29.08 | kevix | maatttt, you need a line in your /etc/apt/sources.list that tells apt about this respository |
| 05:29.19 | bcc | well, what i want to do is to have my desktop on the box in a datacenter so i can take a vacation and still work from a remote location |
| 05:29.23 | ke6isf | maatttt: What command are you using for apt-cache? |
| 05:29.27 | bcc | so everything would be running on that remote box |
| 05:29.30 | ke6isf | kevix: ibiblio is a standard mirror, I think. |
| 05:29.35 | maatttt | apt-cache show rrdtool |
| 05:29.43 | valdyn | bcc: that is not possible with X |
| 05:29.47 | bcc | why not? |
| 05:29.57 | parallaxlan | welson, ahh, yea that makes a lot more sense know. |
| 05:29.59 | ke6isf | maatttt: ...and it doesn't show up? |
| 05:29.59 | maatttt | I'm using iinet a my source, it's listed in the apt-setup process. |
| 05:30.00 | valdyn | bcc: you cannot migrate applications between X servers like that |
| 05:30.11 | k-dog | valdyn: ... well, not without some help ;-) |
| 05:30.17 | bcc | i don't want to migrate anything |
| 05:30.24 | valdyn | bcc: yea, you do |
| 05:30.25 | k-dog | valdyn: ... though the theory's simpler than the practice. |
| 05:30.28 | maatttt | well, v1.0.49-1 does |
| 05:30.30 | k-dog | valdyn: IIRC, 'xmove'. |
| 05:30.35 | bcc | i want to install a desktop setup on a remote box |
| 05:30.37 | bcc | that's it |
| 05:30.42 | bcc | i don't need to migrate anything |
| 05:30.46 | valdyn | k-dog: yea, which doesnt work |
| 05:30.53 | k-dog | bcc: vnc or nx. |
| 05:30.54 | pacman | bcc, sounds like you might be interested in using XDMCP... XDMCP is for X what telnet is for tty logins |
| 05:30.58 | bcc | nah, vnc is really slow |
| 05:31.03 | k-dog | valdyn: That's been my usual experience ;-) |
| 05:31.04 | welson | w3rdn4, zed, is a seemingly easy text-editor, I also mentioned the program mc |
| 05:31.11 | maatttt | deb http://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian/ stable main is in my sources.list |
| 05:31.12 | xsquared | i like jed |
| 05:31.13 | sky0 | bcc: then you either want vnc or look at freenx (or the commercial version from www.nomachine.com). |
| 05:31.15 | xsquared | jed > all. |
| 05:31.15 | k-dog | bcc: Try NX then. There are free servers avaialble. |
| 05:31.16 | bcc | i used xvnc server last time and it sucked |
| 05:31.28 | ke6isf | maatttt: Is that *all* that's in your sources list? |
| 05:31.35 | pacman | why would anybody want to use VNC? it's just a half-assed imitation of X, which was properly designed to work over the network from the beginning. |
| 05:31.39 | valdyn | bcc: you want APPX to be run on host A and displayed on B, then later on have it displayed on C, without restarting it, that practically does not work |
| 05:31.47 | bcc | so you are saying that X by itself cannot support thin clients? |
| 05:31.54 | ke6isf | pacman: Because they want to get their desktop now? |
| 05:31.57 | bcc | clients in the traditional sense to in the X sense |
| 05:31.58 | maatttt | no, I have the usual entries. |
| 05:32.03 | k-dog | pacman: Cross-platform. Portable. Light (application-wise, not necessarially responsive). |
| 05:32.08 | ke6isf | maatttt: OK, just checking. |
| 05:32.10 | bcc | valdyn, no i don't |
| 05:32.11 | welson | bcc, gnome and kde now have their respective remote-sharing feature programs-- gnome-vnc smthing like that is a spinoff work of vnc, kde may have something simialr |
| 05:32.18 | maatttt | deb-src and security too. |
| 05:32.19 | bcc | valdyn, please stop telling me what i want |
| 05:32.33 | bcc | welson, i don't really want to share anything |
| 05:32.35 | k-dog | welson: Those are little more than wrappers on generic VNC, right? Or is there security built in? |
| 05:32.43 | ke6isf | crud, I gotta stop for the night. I'm dozing off... |
| 05:32.45 | valdyn | bcc: well, you said that, not me |
| 05:32.45 | bcc | i don't need to synchronize my documents |
| 05:32.48 | maatttt | what version do you have for `apt-cache show rrdtool` ? |
| 05:32.55 | kevix | welson, apt-cache show vino? |
| 05:32.55 | k-dog | valdyn: I believe you've misunderstood the question (bcc's). |
| 05:33.00 | xsdg | bcc: what about thin clients? |
| 05:33.16 | kenboo | bcc, do you mean X -query hostname |
| 05:33.18 | k-dog | xsdg: I don't think that's appropriate. |
| 05:33.19 | bcc | i just need a "desktop" computer with all the regular apps i'll use set up in a datacenter on a rented server |
| 05:33.30 | bcc | after that, i just need a way to access the X that would run on that box |
| 05:33.32 | bcc | that's all |
| 05:33.39 | bcc | i don't need to A B C anything |
| 05:33.41 | kevix | maatttt, in unstable 1.2.11 for rrdtool |
| 05:33.48 | bcc | just a way to access X running on that box remotely |
| 05:33.48 | xsdg | k-dog: what? |
| 05:33.53 | pacman | bcc, don't listen to the dumbasses; X is first and foremost a network protocol; everything that runs in X works over the network. No need to worry, just go ahead and do it. |
| 05:34.02 | k-dog | xsdg: thin clients. He wants a full desktop with state. |
| 05:34.11 | welson | k-dog, there are now 1+ x variants of vnc--- tightvnc seems to work well, and I think now real vnc has a module for X's config file, for security, I believe the best documentation still lies where vnc was borned as it keeps getting referenced in the docs (real vnc's website) -- I think there it tells how to use security |
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| 05:34.22 | maatttt | can i use that in Stable with some trickery ? |
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| 05:34.32 | xsdg | k-dog: so what was the question? I saw something about thin-clients, which is why I asked |
| 05:34.37 | k-dog | welson: I'm pretty familiar with VNC, thanks. |
| 05:34.43 | bcc | pacman, that's the thing. do you know any docs i could read on that? |
| 05:34.48 | kenboo | bcc, ya so you run xdm at a server side, then run X -query servername. that's the traditional X. |
| 05:34.53 | welson | bcc, if you want a thin client, take a look at pxes.sf.net |
| 05:34.53 | k-dog | welson: .. and the AT&T UK site's been largely decomissioned. |
| 05:35.05 | bcc | kenboo, that's sounds like what i need |
| 05:35.20 | bcc | it would be gdm in my case |
| 05:35.25 | welson | k-dog, I don't know much about security+vnc-- but I have had no problems with X under ssh |
| 05:35.28 | paivakil | hey, guys, about bcc's problem, afaik, X is not configured by default to be accessed over the net |
| 05:35.31 | pacman | bcc, I told you everything there is to know. It's really quite simple. If you put a hostname in the DISPLAY variable, X programs run over the network. End of story. |
| 05:35.47 | bcc | pacman, on the server or on the client? |
| 05:35.52 | valdyn | paivakil: yea, but thats not hard to change |
| 05:36.06 | k-dog | bcc: If you want a full desktop session which you can connect to from whereever, with state preserved (eg: apps open, etc.), you're going to want VNC, NX, FreeNX, or similar. If you don't mind restarting apps as needed, ssh +X user@remotethost <app> is great. |
| 05:36.22 | xsdg | pacman: on debian, the X servers are set up to not listen to tcp by default |
| 05:36.23 | k-dog | bcc: ... personally, most of my remote work is console, and I make very heavy use of screen. |
| 05:36.24 | bcc | k-dog, did i say anything about sessions? |
| 05:36.28 | xsdg | pacman: so that's not quite it |
| 05:36.29 | welson | bcc, are you looking for a thinclient boot? |
| 05:36.33 | k-dog | xsdg: Hence SSH tunneling. |
| 05:36.34 | pacman | oh, there may be some problems to overcome with Debian's default configuration :) |
| 05:36.36 | bcc | shit, why do people keep making shit up and tell me that's what i want :) |
| 05:36.37 | bcc | man |
| 05:36.44 | k-dog | bcc: No, you didn't, which is why I'm carefully explaining your options to you. |
| 05:36.57 | kenboo | bcc, this looks a good doc to start with. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/XDM-Xterm/ |
| 05:36.59 | xsdg | k-dog: I'm having trouble following the conversation; I don't know what the question was :o) |
| 05:36.59 | pacman | bcc, I think you've received enough suggestions by now; go try one of them and report back whether it actually DID do what you want. |
| 05:37.09 | k-dog | xsdg: I'm about to check myself ;-) |
| 05:37.11 | sky0 | pacman: yes, and the programs end when he logs out of the session; I got the impression that is not what he wants. Who are you calling a dumbass by the way;-) |
| 05:37.13 | bcc | what i want is to be able to log into a remote box and work on it as if it were local. then log out and forget about it. then log in again. |
| 05:37.14 | Guerin | ok, who knows about PDF format versions? |
| 05:37.22 | k-dog | bcc: ssh +X |
| 05:37.27 | welson | bcc, I already mentioned gnome-vnc and kde' may have something further, perhaps you should join #gnome #kde -- apparently there are many vnc spinoffs |
| 05:37.37 | pacman | anyone who thinks VNC is anything more than a bad reinvention of X is a dumbass |
| 05:37.50 | bcc | welson, i don't want to use vnc because it would definitly need to bandwidth than X |
| 05:37.52 | Guerin | i have a pdf I can't open - file says PDF document, version 1.4 |
| 05:37.53 | bcc | no doubt about it |
| 05:37.55 | k-dog | pacman: The dumbasses are smarter than you, then. |
| 05:37.55 | welson | bcc, these programs give you a remote "desktop", ssh+X offers the shell |
| 05:38.12 | kevix | xsdg, if you want to know the question, build a computer that is the successor to deep thought! |
| 05:38.13 | welson | bcc, well you stupid, because I never compared vnc and X |
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| 05:38.24 | pacman | Guerin, I think xpdf is the best bet among free software for that |
| 05:38.24 | k-dog | welson: No, ssh +X supplies the ability to run any X app over a network connection, securely, with authentication. |
| 05:38.35 | bcc | welson, i never said you did. i said that i don't want to use it and you keep mentioning it. |
| 05:38.37 | Guerin | pacman: yeah. xpdf at least gives me an error message. |
| 05:38.46 | xsdg | kevix: Deep Intellect! (yay, douglas adams :o) |
| 05:38.55 | welson | bcc, THERE ARE SPINOFFS! |
| 05:38.58 | k-dog | Guerin: KDE's latest PDF reader looks pretty sweet. |
| 05:38.59 | kenboo | i personally use vnc insetad of native X. vnc eats lower bandwidth =) |
| 05:39.05 | welson | bcc, VNC != 1 Client, doofus |
| 05:39.12 | kevix | Guerin, did you try to dump it to txt? |
| 05:39.13 | Guerin | no, i lie |
| 05:39.20 | Guerin | gv gives: No pages will be processed (FirstPage > LastPage). |
| 05:39.32 | k-dog | bcc: Actually, vnc can use less bandwidth, as it's optimized (and optimizable) for slow networked connections. |
| 05:39.34 | Guerin | kevix: pdftotext yields no output |
| 05:39.50 | sky0 | pacman: well put. Still I found it easier for "keep-running-after-logout" processes compared to Xvfb hacks (which also work). |
| 05:39.59 | Guerin | k-dog: what's it called, and is it in debian? |
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| 05:40.13 | k-dog | bcc: If you've got minimal broadband, NX is very responsive. There's a free demo to try, based in Germany, I tried out some fairly ugly GIMP stuff. |
| 05:40.21 | k-dog | Guerin: Yes to the latter. 'kpdf' I think. |
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| 05:40.40 | Guerin | k-dog: no dice either. |
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| 05:40.57 | bcc | k-dog, i just want to try running X remotely first. |
| 05:40.58 | pacman | kpdf, I guarantee, has ghostscript on the backend. xpdf is the only free pdf reader that doesn't have ghostscript on the backend. |
| 05:41.04 | bcc | before i do anything else |
| 05:41.26 | k-dog | bcc: ssh +X. Do it already. |
| 05:41.46 | k-dog | bcc: Remote server must have X11 forwarding enabled for sshd. Many daemons now disable by default. |
| 05:41.48 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: basically, if xpdf or gv can't read it, then there's really not much else on linux to read the things |
| 05:41.49 | kevix | Guerin, what about changing the LC_ALL= to en 88591 or UTF-8 |
| 05:41.50 | interalia | hey all. I'm running 2.6.16 from the deb, and the Music channel has vanished from alsamixer. any thoughts as to why? |
| 05:41.55 | k-dog | bcc: Try it and stop kvetching. |
| 05:42.02 | pacman | bcc is one of these guys who will keep asking the same question over and over again, after getting 10 plausible answers, without having tried any of them. It's very annoying. |
| 05:42.16 | k-dog | Guerin: No dice on what? The package, or happiness using it? |
| 05:42.19 | bcc | do what you morons, i don't have anything installed yet. |
| 05:42.27 | bcc | i asking for docs, not to tell me the same fucking thing over and over |
| 05:42.29 | bcc | i got it |
| 05:42.31 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: so i'm discovering. |
| 05:42.38 | Guerin | k-dog: doesn't work |
| 05:42.43 | k-dog | Guerin: :-( |
| 05:42.52 | Guerin | currently gv is the winner for at least giving me an error message |
| 05:42.54 | welson | bcc, do you know what I mean by a spinoff? No you don't, vnc is being as a base technology and re-modified to fit the needs of other vnc-clients, that's what is a spin-off, welcome to the world of open-source.. |
| 05:43.04 | valdyn | bcc: offending unpaid volutneers trying to help you is probably not a good idea ;) |
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| 05:43.06 | k-dog | bcc: What are you running locally? OS & display system (eg: windows, X, Mac ... )? |
| 05:43.07 | pacman | Guerin, what was the error message from xpdf? how about pdftops (which is part of xpdf-utils so it'll probably give the same error message...) |
| 05:43.16 | k-dog | bcc: ... and stop insulting people who're helping you. |
| 05:43.24 | k-dog | Guerin: strace? |
| 05:43.29 | bcc | k-dog, locally i'm running debian |
| 05:43.36 | k-dog | bcc: Fire up X. |
| 05:43.48 | k-dog | bcc: 'startx' or display manager of your choice. |
| 05:43.49 | Guerin | pacman: xpdf gives no error. gv gives No pages will be processed (FirstPage > LastPage). |
| 05:43.59 | bcc | i'm running it locally already |
| 05:44.16 | valdyn | bcc: or just 'xinit', then every X client can be run remotely |
| 05:44.26 | k-dog | bcc: Fire up a terminal |
| 05:44.26 | pacman | ok, here's how we can keep this interesting: let's get him to run "xhost +" and then everybody send something cool to his screen |
| 05:44.36 | k-dog | pacman: Wrong. |
| 05:44.51 | k-dog | pacman: His X server should have 'nolistentcp' set by default, won't work. |
| 05:44.54 | kevix | pacman, hehe! |
| 05:45.00 | k-dog | pacman: Why don't you just STFU for a bit. |
| 05:45.07 | bcc | good idea |
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| 05:45.41 | Guerin | http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste has the full output from the shell |
| 05:45.52 | bcc | i don't have a remote box installed yet, so running anything is not going to help me without the docs. and that's what i was asking for originally. |
| 05:46.01 | bcc | if someone knows a good how-to on this topic. |
| 05:46.04 | valdyn | !sshx |
| 05:46.04 | dpkg | sshx is probably Enable X11Forwarding **on the server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 05:46.09 | valdyn | bcc: docs ^^^ |
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| 05:46.17 | bcc | thanks |
| 05:46.24 | cookiecaper | Hello. I would like my Debian system to display Chinese characters. I've installed all of the Chinese font packages I can find, but Firefox still shows Chinese characters as boxes with letters and numbers in them |
| 05:46.41 | k-dog | bcc: Do you have *any* remote box you can log into? |
| 05:46.49 | Guerin | cookiecaper: restart x |
| 05:46.54 | bcc | k-dog, not anything running x |
| 05:46.56 | cookiecaper | ok, brb |
| 05:47.04 | k-dog | bcc: That wasn't what I asked. |
| 05:47.06 | welson | bcc, why can't you listen to anybody? I guess the least you can do is check /usr/share/doc/realvnc* or other package-docs there are-- as I said there are +X spinoffs |
| 05:47.07 | k-dog | bcc: ^^ |
| 05:47.18 | valdyn | bcc: it doesnt need to be running X, it just needs to have X applications |
| 05:47.23 | k-dog | welson: Hush, bud. |
| 05:47.33 | bcc | welson, i used xvncserver on my last vacation and that's not what i want. |
| 05:47.36 | k-dog | bcc: You're making this harder than it is. |
| 05:47.38 | welson | valdyn, I already told him, I give up ;_ |
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| 05:48.03 | k-dog | bcc: Got *any* boxes you can access remotely? |
| 05:48.08 | bcc | yes |
| 05:48.29 | welson | bcc, you still don't make sense, read what I wrote above, welcome to the world of open-source-- Xncserver is one of several vnc's out there.. |
| 05:48.50 | k-dog | bcc: run 'ssh -X user@remothost xlogo' |
| 05:48.54 | kevix | Guerin, that url doesnt show anything. |
| 05:48.57 | k-dog | bcc: ... which will either work or not. Tell me which. |
| 05:48.58 | welson | bcc, and I never mentioned you having to explicitly stick to "Xvncserver" anyways |
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| 05:49.12 | cookiecaper | Guerin, thank you, that worked. :) |
| 05:49.20 | k-dog | bcc: ... might check that 'xbase-clients' is installed there. |
| 05:49.22 | Guerin | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1005 |
| 05:49.23 | Guerin | sorreh |
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| 05:49.26 | bcc | k-dog: Error: Can't open display: |
| 05:49.29 | matttt | hi, is it possible to use a package from Unstable in Stable ? |
| 05:49.37 | k-dog | bcc: You're currently in X? |
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| 05:49.43 | bcc | yes |
| 05:49.44 | Guerin | matttt: anything's possible, but that's extremely unwise |
| 05:49.46 | k-dog | bcc: echo $DISPLAY. What's it say? |
| 05:49.55 | bcc | :0.0 |
| 05:50.11 | brian | hey, anyone ever have a problem where gtk-theme-switch can't preview or change themes? (i'm using flux) |
| 05:50.11 | k-dog | bcc: OK. From _that_ system: ssh +X user@remotehost |
| 05:50.15 | Guerin | hrm, does adobe free acrocrap reader have an export function? |
| 05:50.17 | k-dog | bcc: ... and echo $DISPLAY again. |
| 05:50.29 | bcc | what user a host should i try? |
| 05:50.31 | k-dog | Guerin: Why would you want to export crap? |
| 05:50.42 | k-dog | bcc: A username and a hostname valid for a remote box. |
| 05:50.45 | matttt | I want to use http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/rrdtool on a local Stable build. |
| 05:50.49 | bcc | from _that_ to what? |
| 05:50.50 | Guerin | k-dog: it's crap already, i want to export it to uncrap |
| 05:50.56 | bcc | i assumed _that_ was the remote |
| 05:50.57 | k-dog | bcc: Alternatively: "ssh +X localhost xlogo" |
| 05:51.05 | Guerin | but you have a point, adobe acrocrap is unlikely to be able to produce uncrap |
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| 05:51.22 | k-dog | Guerin: Not that I'm aware, but I don't use it. |
| 05:51.32 | bcc | ok, i'll ask once again. does anyone know where i can find some docs explaining X and setting up client and server remotely? |
| 05:51.37 | Gnea | !assume |
| 05:51.37 | dpkg | i guess assume is the mother of all mistakes and (ASS - U - ME): makes an ass of you and makes an ass of me |
| 05:51.43 | pacman | what did the "P" in "PDF" stand for again? |
| 05:51.49 | matttt | How do I find out wht a package is in unstable, or which dependancy is holding it back ? |
| 05:51.57 | Guerin | pacman: Proprietary :) |
| 05:51.58 | bcc | if not, then please don't answer at all. i honestly don't give a fuck what other solution you have. i just want to read something to understand it. |
| 05:52.01 | valdyn | bcc: dpkg told you |
| 05:52.01 | Guerin | oh wait |
| 05:52.02 | Gnea | bcc: probably. what is your goal, exactly? |
| 05:52.03 | Guerin | DID |
| 05:52.10 | k-dog | pacman: "crap". It's a terminal, not initial, letter. |
| 05:52.10 | Guerin | that's just what it means NOW |
| 05:52.12 | bcc | k-dog. thanks for your help, but i would rather read some stuff |
| 05:52.18 | k-dog | bcc: The ssh manpage. |
| 05:52.19 | bcc | valdyn, yeah. i'll check that link |
| 05:52.27 | varsedangger | why isn;t mplayer availible from apt-get |
| 05:52.34 | pacman | bcc, man X; man Xserver; man xdm; all of those have information about accessing X servers in various ways |
| 05:52.36 | k-dog | bcc: ... or google "ssh x11 forwarding' |
| 05:52.37 | Gnea | bcc: www.tldp.org has a lot of stuff |
| 05:52.40 | valdyn | bcc: its really really easy, which might be the main confusing point ;) |
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| 05:52.53 | brian | hey, anyone ever have a problem where gtk-theme-switch can't preview or change themes? (i'm using flux) |
| 05:52.55 | k-dog | bcc: If you want to buy a book, the O'Reilly Snail book (ssh) is good. |
| 05:53.10 | k-dog | bcc: First Google hit for that search, BTW. |
| 05:53.19 | Gnea | brian: probably because the theme maintainer didn't make a preview for it |
| 05:53.29 | fooscope | varsedangger: i think it's dfsg reasons, I use vlc for a media player |
| 05:53.30 | kenboo | bcc, you want a thinn X-client (aka X terminal) right? |
| 05:53.35 | brian | Gnea: i'm not getting previews for Any theme at all |
| 05:53.47 | Gnea | brian: dunno |
| 05:53.47 | brian | Gnea: and i always have in the past on other debian boxes |
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| 05:53.54 | brian | Gnea: k :/ heh thanks anyway |
| 05:53.54 | valdyn | brian: i blindly guess that you are selecting a theme in gtk-theme-switch taht you do not have installed |
| 05:53.58 | bcc | kenboo, right now, i just want to read some docs so i know what's possible, so i can make a decision. |
| 05:54.05 | kenboo | ok |
| 05:54.10 | bcc | anyway, i'm out. i'll do some reading. |
| 05:54.22 | bcc | hey welson, are you still there |
| 05:54.22 | bcc | ? |
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| 05:54.27 | valdyn | brian: explicit 'previews' arent required or existant there.. |
| 05:54.27 | varsedangger | how does vlc work? |
| 05:54.53 | bcc | well, when welson, tell him to go fuck himself in my name :) |
| 05:54.54 | bcc | i'm out. |
| 05:55.14 | brian | valdyn: preview should be working ... "gtk2-engines-industrial is already the newest version." |
| 05:55.15 | Gnea | brian: i don't suppose you can ping garson.org |
| 05:55.16 | Guerin | varsedangger: it takes 0s and 1s and runs them through a 'codec' to make pictures and noises |
| 05:55.28 | Guerin | varsedangger: much like any other media player |
| 05:55.28 | valdyn | brian: but gtk-theme-switch is for gtk(1) |
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| 05:55.56 | brian | valdyn: apt-cache search gtk | grep switch only returns that one |
| 05:56.01 | fooscope | varsedangger: it displays movies and sound to your X session. apt-get install vlc will let you try it for yourself |
| 05:56.03 | valdyn | brian: there is gtk-theme-switch and gtk-theme-switch2, both in the same package |
| 05:56.04 | brian | valdyn: do you know where i can get the one for gtk2? |
| 05:56.17 | valdyn | brian: you already have it |
| 05:56.27 | brian | bingo! |
| 05:56.29 | brian | thanks guys |
| 05:56.43 | pacman | I remember that gtk "industrial" package... somehow, just by having it installed, it took over all the default X cursors and made them look funky, even when no gtk programs were in use... |
| 05:56.44 | brian | what confused me was gtk-them[TAB] didn't show gtk-theme-switch2 |
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| 05:56.51 | brian | only gtk-theme-switch(1) |
| 05:57.14 | Gnea | brian: did you know you can also: apt-cache search gtk switch (no need to grep, it takes all arguments as a grep) |
| 05:57.15 | valdyn | brian: [TAB] 2 times |
| 05:57.35 | brian | thanks. |
| 05:57.35 | onlynewro | hi~! |
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| 05:58.27 | fusQuanto | my logs are filled with errors |
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| 06:01.39 | brian | valdyn: grr one more annoying problem with gtk-theme-switch2. sorry to throw this at you now but maybe you have an idea. i click the + icon to change fonts, too, in addition to the theme. now when i make the font smaller, the preview reflects it but other GTK apps (firefox atm) don't reflect the font change-- still big and ugly. any idea? |
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| 06:04.50 | w3rdn4 | what is destin FL zip? |
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| 06:05.24 | mattfury | uhhh :)) |
| 06:05.31 | kevix | w3rdn4, huh? |
| 06:05.57 | pacman | I'll guess FL is florida |
| 06:05.57 | Guilherme | somebody speak english ??? |
| 06:05.57 | mattfury | I'm gettign errors in my xf86-config-4 ... |
| 06:05.58 | mattfury | Guilherme, what language? |
| 06:06.10 | mattfury | /join #debian-## ? |
| 06:06.10 | Guilherme | english |
| 06:06.12 | kevix | pacman, do we look like a yellowpages? |
| 06:06.23 | kevix | Guilherme, oui! |
| 06:06.25 | mattfury | kevix, can you help? |
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| 06:06.44 | Guilherme | who are you? |
| 06:06.52 | brian | hahaha |
| 06:06.58 | mattfury | xf86config-4 is mucking up. |
| 06:07.03 | brian | do you have a debian-related question, Guilherme? |
| 06:07.09 | mattfury | need to show someone. |
| 06:07.22 | mattfury | stop flaming, help me. |
| 06:07.27 | Guilherme | yes i do ! |
| 06:07.38 | sweetlemon | lol to all |
| 06:07.43 | Gnea | !rules |
| 06:07.43 | dpkg | well, rules is 1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 15 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient. |
| 06:07.48 | kevix | can you show them in #flood |
| 06:08.00 | w3rdn4 | not sure of the zip |
| 06:08.06 | Gnea | google |
| 06:08.08 | mattfury | !prize mattfury |
| 06:08.11 | sweetlemon | anyone got mepis here??? |
| 06:08.21 | Guerin | ... |
| 06:08.22 | mattfury | i followed the rules lol. |
| 06:08.22 | Gnea | sweetlemon: is this mepis??? |
| 06:08.25 | stew | #mepis |
| 06:08.26 | pacman | oh, it's probably a form field where someone forgot to enter the postal ZIP code |
| 06:08.27 | Gnea | sweetlemon: is this #mepis??? |
| 06:08.36 | sweetlemon | ok, no |
| 06:08.41 | Gnea | !mepis |
| 06:08.42 | dpkg | MEPIS is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system. Uses KDE by default, and includes the NVIDIA proprietary 3D driver. It also includes a custom installer on the KDE desktop, with simple LILO configuration. See http://www.mepis.org. It is NOT real Debian, attempts to use apt-get with Debian mirrors will meet with a world of hurt. /join #mepis |
| 06:08.47 | Guilherme | yes i have a question |
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| 06:09.04 | kevix | Guilherme, the answer is 42! |
| 06:09.05 | sweetlemon | what's with dpkg??? |
| 06:09.11 | mattfury | !gentoo |
| 06:09.11 | dpkg | somebody said gentoo was a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/ or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or ... |
| 06:09.13 | Gnea | !??? |
| 06:09.20 | Guilherme | 42 ? on the list ? |
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| 06:09.45 | k-dog | Guerin: Got X ;-) |
| 06:09.53 | mattfury | ok enough mucking around. |
| 06:09.58 | sweetlemon | no, how come he's saying all thet mumbo-jumbo... |
| 06:09.59 | mattfury | =P |
| 06:10.01 | sweetlemon | ??? |
| 06:10.09 | Gnea | sweetlemon: how many question marks does it take to get to the center of an idiot? |
| 06:10.17 | Guilherme | my pat-get goes to the 99 percents of his update and the apt-get stops and not continues ? why ??? ? ? ? ? |
| 06:10.21 | kevix | Guilherme, until we know what your question is, any answer is correct! |
| 06:10.38 | mattfury | !lose sweetlemon |
| 06:10.39 | dpkg | sweetlemon: You Lose. |
| 06:10.54 | kevix | Gnea, one ---- two ---three---- threee! |
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| 06:11.08 | Gnea | kevix: rofl |
| 06:11.12 | Guilherme | this is my question "" my apt-get goes to the 99 percents of his update and the apt-get stops and not continues ? why ??? ? ? ? ? |
| 06:11.18 | Guerin | Guilherme: because. |
| 06:11.21 | mattfury | is there a !owned? |
| 06:11.23 | Gnea | Guilherme: your question sucks. |
| 06:11.24 | kevix | Guilherme, is it issuing a warning or does it just SEGFAULT? |
| 06:11.26 | nvz | bah I slept too long :P |
| 06:11.44 | mattfury | !owned mattfury |
| 06:11.49 | xsdg | nvz: you lose :o) |
| 06:11.49 | mattfury | no? |
| 06:11.49 | Guilherme | no |
| 06:11.51 | stew | !nvzdrink nvz |
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| 06:11.56 | Gnea | mattfury: please stop abusing the bot. |
| 06:12.02 | mattfury | ok |
| 06:12.20 | kevix | Gnea, I loved those commercials! |
| 06:12.20 | stew | s/butter// |
| 06:12.27 | nvz | xsdg: yep |
| 06:12.30 | mattfury | can someone help with my legitimate debian problem? |
| 06:12.40 | mattfury | "No screens found" |
| 06:12.46 | Guilherme | no itsnt a segfault |
| 06:12.48 | stew | !no screens found |
| 06:12.48 | dpkg | no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about "troubleshooting x". |
| 06:12.54 | k-dog | Guerin: Is popcornk kernel-mode popcorn? |
| 06:13.08 | nvz | I was gonna go get something earlier this evening, but after eating a bunch of fast food I felt crappy and went to sleep |
| 06:13.24 | kevix | mattfury, but I dont guartentee to provide a legitimate answer! |
| 06:13.27 | Gnea | that's why i hate fast food |
| 06:13.27 | nvz | now its goin on 1:30am, I dont want to call anyone at this time |
| 06:13.30 | Guerin | k-dog: kno |
| 06:13.36 | mattfury | ok |
| 06:13.36 | Guilherme | hey.... what i sould to do to see sex sites in my linux ? ? ? ? |
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| 06:13.39 | Gnea | it shortens productivity |
| 06:13.42 | k-dog | Guerin: Hrm... |
| 06:13.44 | kevix | mattfury, can you paste to #flood |
| 06:13.54 | nvz | Guilherme: use a web browser *shrug* |
| 06:13.55 | k-dog | Guerin: ... does my name make me a kernel-mode 'arsten'? |
| 06:13.56 | sweetlemon | bye peoplez |
| 06:14.03 | Gnea | Guilherme: walk out the door, find the first hooker, pay her, and get it over with |
| 06:14.10 | stew | Guilherme: apt-get install w3m-img && w3m http://persiankitty.com |
| 06:14.14 | Guilherme | yah !!!! a browser !! |
| 06:14.20 | Drakh | linux does not support sex as it slows the progress of open source |
| 06:14.23 | LOTFY9999 | hi |
| 06:14.31 | Gnea | Drakh: no shit |
| 06:14.34 | Guerin | k-dog: if you were from mexico, you could be garsten |
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| 06:14.40 | nvz | Gnea: hookers carry viruses that are a lot harder to get rid of then just throwing the pc out the window |
| 06:14.43 | Gnea | open source seems to outlaw sex |
| 06:15.05 | Drakh | yes because sex is closed source |
| 06:15.07 | xsdg | Gnea: well, I think the question is if it's free to distribute |
| 06:15.08 | Gnea | nvz: that's true |
| 06:15.15 | k-dog | Guerin: Nooooooo!! |
| 06:15.16 | Guilherme | hey how many viruses have to linux interface? |
| 06:15.20 | Guerin | k-dog: si |
| 06:15.24 | stew | Guilherme: 42 |
| 06:15.30 | Gnea | Guilherme: more than you can fathom |
| 06:15.37 | k-dog | Guerin: Por favor, Senor, con Dios, no! |
| 06:15.37 | Guerin | stew: i was going to say 69 |
| 06:15.42 | xsdg | Guilherme: well, more if you visit porn sites |
| 06:15.47 | mattfury | kevix, see? |
| 06:15.52 | stew | Guerin: i'm pretty sure its 42 |
| 06:15.56 | kevix | Gnea, sounds like a reason for George Bush to promote FLOSS in the schools! it promotes abstience! |
| 06:15.58 | k-dog | Guerin: r u a ... |
| 06:16.00 | Gnea | sex doesn't exist. |
| 06:16.01 | k-dog | Guerin: ... GNOME app? |
| 06:16.06 | Guilherme | hahahaahha. sure !! youre right |
| 06:16.06 | xsdg | Guilherme: don't forget; practice safe hex |
| 06:16.07 | peterS | it's not 42. people are way too fixated on that integer |
| 06:16.08 | Guerin | stew: i'll look for your proof on alt.viruses |
| 06:16.17 | Guerin | k-dog: gno |
| 06:16.25 | mattfury | 42 |
| 06:16.25 | Gnea | kevix: i fucking HATE abstinance |
| 06:16.25 | Guilherme | ok... i use the right stuff to make safe sex !! |
| 06:16.34 | k-dog | Gnea: I hate fucking abstinance even more. |
| 06:16.41 | peterS | if you must say 42, say 66 instead and just quietly note to yourself that this is actually 0x42 |
| 06:16.43 | Gnea | k-dog: heh |
| 06:16.46 | xsdg | Gnea: enough so that you misspell it? :o) |
| 06:16.51 | peterS | then the rest of us don't have to hear your tired jokes about douglas adams's books |
| 06:16.54 | kevix | mattfury, ok. so one of your identifiers is mis labled? |
| 06:16.55 | stew | Guerin: 66 |
| 06:16.56 | Gnea | xsdg: yes. |
| 06:16.58 | nvz | Gnea: not to mention if they are unprofessional they may end up stalking you if they like you. a professional hooker would separate business and pleasure. a ho in training can easily become a leach whore :P |
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| 06:17.02 | Guilherme | everyday i put the panda on my bed to protect my sex |
| 06:17.04 | Guerin | stew: you're getting closer |
| 06:17.11 | xsdg | k-dog: quotefiled |
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| 06:17.13 | stew | Guerin: 0x42 |
| 06:17.28 | stew | shit |
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| 06:17.36 | k-dog | xsdg: ;-) |
| 06:17.39 | peterS | actually in leet, that would be 0xA2, which is decimal 162 |
| 06:17.48 | Gnea | nvz: i just want one woman who only wants me. i am asking for too much. |
| 06:17.52 | Guilherme | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:18.23 | kevix | mattfury, someone is messing with your output. |
| 06:18.28 | peterS | Guilherme: I use the "personality" method of birth control / STD prevention |
| 06:18.38 | Guerin | peterS: heh |
| 06:18.49 | mattfury | kevix, i dont know, im asking you lol. |
| 06:19.05 | mattfury | Option "AGP Mode" "4" ? |
| 06:19.07 | Guilherme | what? peter] |
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| 06:19.30 | peterS | Guilherme: the method consists of having the type of personality that ensures that you get no sex |
| 06:19.30 | stew | if they have the personality of a panda, stay away... |
| 06:19.35 | kevix | mattfury, paste it again! |
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| 06:20.07 | Guilherme | haahahhaahah no sex, no risks youre right |
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| 06:20.41 | Guilherme | hey how old are linux ? |
| 06:20.51 | nvz | Gnea: I've thought the same way. Thing is finding a woman you can stand to be with isn't as easy as just finding one that wants to be with you. |
| 06:20.52 | peterS | Guilherme: 14 |
| 06:20.55 | Gnea | Guilherme: 12 |
| 06:21.00 | Drakh | 11 |
| 06:21.13 | Guilherme | 12 or 14 decide !! i will gonna crazy !!! |
| 06:21.24 | peterS | nvz: that really depends though. for some of us, the latter is the hard part |
| 06:21.28 | nvz | I can fall out the door and find someone who wants me. I am just picky. |
| 06:21.43 | Gnea | nvz: likewise |
| 06:21.47 | peterS | it must really suck to be you guys |
| 06:21.52 | Guilherme | who created him ? |
| 06:22.03 | Gnea | then there are the woman who are convinced they don't have to do anything |
| 06:22.04 | peterS | Guilherme: linux was started in 1991 |
| 06:22.15 | Guerin | i agree |
| 06:22.19 | Guilherme | who started ? |
| 06:22.20 | Gnea | peterS: it sure does. |
| 06:22.21 | mattfury | i dont have access to save the file? |
| 06:22.23 | mattfury | how do i get access in knoppix? |
| 06:22.28 | Guerin | it must suck to have to whine on irc about your inability to find a partner |
| 06:22.36 | Drakh | lol |
| 06:22.39 | nvz | heh |
| 06:22.55 | Guilherme | who made the linuX?? ? ? ? ? |
| 06:23.01 | Gnea | peterS: i went through hell to get to my partner, and she left me in the meantime to marry some fat fuck and then, instead of losing the weight she wanted to, she gained much more. |
| 06:23.02 | peterS | Guilherme: lots of people |
| 06:23.03 | spdf | Oh lord. |
| 06:23.06 | Gnea | !googleit |
| 06:23.06 | dpkg | from memory, googleit is #debian is not your search engine. |
| 06:23.08 | nvz | finding one isnt a problem. finding one that isnt a whore is the topic. |
| 06:23.21 | Gnea | Guilherme: www.google.com fucking look it up already |
| 06:23.23 | nvz | you know one you dont have to pay by the hour and doesnt leave when you are done |
| 06:23.40 | k-dog | peterS: ... but isn't that _no_ birth control ;-) |
| 06:23.40 | Guerin | nvz: same sentiment applies |
| 06:23.58 | peterS | k-dog: let's put it this way, I've never been pregnant |
| 06:23.58 | Guerin | damnit |
| 06:24.02 | Gnea | peterS: now she regrets it. |
| 06:24.05 | Guilherme | in that time, why they made linux , if had the windows ? |
| 06:24.06 | Guerin | i need to go to the shop for corn syrup |
| 06:24.09 | k-dog | peterS: Nor have I. |
| 06:24.12 | peterS | good! |
| 06:24.18 | peterS | that would be a little disturbing |
| 06:24.42 | Gnea | all cuz i couldn't make enough $ in time |
| 06:24.49 | mattfury | hi peterS. |
| 06:24.51 | peterS | so what's with all the G nicks going around right now? |
| 06:25.08 | Drakh | G is the new S |
| 06:25.09 | xsdg | /nick xsdG |
| 06:25.16 | peterS | hey mattfury, how's your ntfs? |
| 06:25.19 | Gnea | cuz the G owns you |
| 06:25.21 | Guilherme | in that time, why they made linux , if had the windows ? |
| 06:25.23 | Guilherme | in that time, why they made linux , if had the windows ? |
| 06:25.23 | Drakh | my nutts are fine |
| 06:25.26 | Drakh | oh ntfs nvm |
| 06:25.28 | pacman | Richard Stallman has been assigning people their nicks |
| 06:25.28 | Guerin | Gnea: if it hinged on money, it was doomed to failure and you might as well have walked away immediately |
| 06:25.28 | spdf | Guilherme, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Linux |
| 06:25.29 | xsdg | Guilherme: stop please |
| 06:25.33 | Gnea | Guilherme: STOP SPAMMING |
| 06:25.33 | mattfury | peterS, working! :D |
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| 06:25.39 | Guerin | Guilherme: fuck off, you handicap |
| 06:25.40 | mattfury | /kick |
| 06:25.47 | Guilherme | thanks to give it to ke |
| 06:25.48 | nvz | I was at this party last night. I met probably about 6 or so girls and the only one that wasnt being a little slut was the one who actually was a stripper. and they only reason she was behaving herself was because she had no cocain and nobody was throwing dollar bills at her. |
| 06:25.52 | Gnea | Guerin: actually we walked away from each other at the same time. |
| 06:26.04 | Guerin | Drakh: don't |
| 06:26.21 | Drakh | Guerin too late |
| 06:26.22 | Gnea | nvz: i don't go to parties anymore. |
| 06:26.24 | Guilherme | rape me ? why ! i use sex !!!!!!firewall |
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| 06:26.27 | Gnea | in fact, i hardly go out |
| 06:26.33 | Gnea | people suck |
| 06:26.33 | Guerin | SimonRaven: don't bother |
| 06:26.38 | Drakh | iptables sex!? |
| 06:26.40 | peterS | nvz: I guess you hang in different circles than I do. if I met those types of women I'd have a bit different perspective on whether it's easy or hard to find women who (a) want you vs. (b) you want |
| 06:26.43 | Nurbs_ | sex? |
| 06:26.49 | Guerin | this is #imaloserwhocantgetagirl |
| 06:26.50 | xsdg | Gnea: party? you mean the commies? |
| 06:26.51 | Drakh | iptables sex on firewall!? |
| 06:26.55 | SimonRaven | Guerin: still nutso? |
| 06:26.58 | Gnea | xsdg: huh? |
| 06:26.59 | k-dog | Guerin: You have to ask? |
| 06:26.59 | Guerin | and #omglinuxlol |
| 06:27.02 | nvz | Gnea: I don't either very much except in this situation where I am the dj, and suppose to be meeting some twins |
| 06:27.11 | xsdg | Gnea: *cough* alternate definition of party *cough* |
| 06:27.14 | kuroaisu | Guerin: at 2m on a saturday that's redundant |
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| 06:27.18 | Drakh | it is a widely know fact that linux users have trouble getting women |
| 06:27.23 | Guerin | kuroaisu: you are not wrong |
| 06:27.24 | Guilherme | hey ! what do you think about me ? ? ?? |
| 06:27.26 | xsdg | kuroaisu: but it's only 1:30 |
| 06:27.27 | mattfury | lol |
| 06:27.41 | Gnea | nvz: ah, i don't dj (tho i wouldn't mind doing so, but it'll never happen) |
| 06:27.42 | mattfury | not geeks *nerds*, have trouble getting women / gals' |
| 06:27.44 | Drakh | Guilherme, besides the fact you are an annoying handicapped person, I like you |
| 06:27.44 | Guerin | Drakh: everyone who focuses on 'getting' women has trouble |
| 06:27.50 | Gnea | Guilherme: i think you suck. |
| 06:27.52 | Guerin | women aren't to be 'got' |
| 06:27.59 | xsdg | mattfury: I think you needed a few commas there |
| 06:28.04 | xsdg | Guilherme: are they to be "had"? |
| 06:28.11 | mattfury | xsdg, indeed. |
| 06:28.13 | xsdg | j/k :o) |
| 06:28.22 | Guilherme | ow thank !!! drakh , do you wanna get mary me ?? ? |
| 06:28.23 | Guerin | i think this is the thing most people who whine about 'not getting women' have the most trouble with |
| 06:28.25 | mattfury | http://linuxchix.org <-- find your wife here. |
| 06:28.31 | Drakh | no I will sex0r you Guilherme |
| 06:28.41 | Drakh | like I sex0r my linux box |
| 06:28.47 | peterS | mattfury: uh, that's a really bad idea |
| 06:28.53 | Gnea | mattfury: they're all taken |
| 06:29.00 | Guilherme | sex with me :? ? (_._) |
| 06:29.07 | peterS | mattfury: they're very nice people for the most part (not for the whole part!) but it's not what they're there for |
| 06:29.12 | nvz | Guerin: yeah most of us know that. |
| 06:29.14 | Gnea | Guilherme: NO THANKS I DON'T WANNA CATCH ANY STDS |
| 06:29.21 | Guerin | nvz: then demonstrate it |
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| 06:29.30 | mattfury | lol |
| 06:29.37 | Guilherme | ah ok ? |
| 06:29.44 | Gnea | man i used to be able to get laid no problem, then i moved back to new york |
| 06:29.44 | Guerin | well well, a channel full of imbeciles |
| 06:29.46 | Guilherme | do you want my oukut ? |
| 06:29.56 | Guerin | i think i'll go and watch paint dry or something |
| 06:29.57 | Gnea | Guerin: thank you for finally realizing that |
| 06:29.58 | k-dog | Any ops on? |
| 06:29.59 | peterS | all of you G* people except Guerin need to, like, get a room |
| 06:30.07 | Guerin | peterS: aGreed |
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| 06:30.20 | k-dog | peterS: Good idea. |
| 06:30.27 | Gnea | no one knows and no one cares! |
| 06:30.28 | peterS | Drakh: and you need to /nick Grakh |
| 06:30.31 | Gnea | it's so true |
| 06:30.45 | peterS | there we go |
| 06:30.48 | mattfury | there's too many people here that think they're "1337" |
| 06:30.48 | peterS | I mean, there we Go |
| 06:30.50 | GraHHKHGH | sounds like kleynon food |
| 06:30.51 | mattfury | or r33t |
| 06:30.55 | GraHHKHGH | GRAGHHH |
| 06:31.03 | k-dog | mattfury: ... or g33t. |
| 06:31.11 | peterS | dude, cover your mouth when you cough |
| 06:31.12 | Gnea | mattfury: talking about yourself again? |
| 06:31.16 | GraHHKHGH | g is a gay letter, infact gay even starts with g |
| 06:31.20 | mattfury | I'm not 1337 |
| 06:31.21 | Guerin | !gay |
| 06:31.21 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 06:31.23 | mattfury | im stupid |
| 06:31.26 | nvz | Guerin: my proceedure starts with meeting someone, and talking if I dont like them it doesnt go beyond that point. which is usually the case. or you annouce your intentions and follow through.. I can't demonstrate because I havent met anyone who interests me. |
| 06:31.34 | Guilherme | Drakh ! You have to agree, you loved me and now i drove you crazy ! do you want my cellphone number ? |
| 06:31.39 | BladeRunner05 | I need to download with apt-get a .deb package and install it another time. Wich is the cmd ? |
| 06:31.39 | Drakh | shut up Guerin |
| 06:31.40 | kuroaisu | yay dpkg |
| 06:31.47 | Guerin | fuck off Drakh |
| 06:31.52 | peterS | see, Gay starts with G, but so does Goy, and most of us are Goyim, so. |
| 06:31.54 | Drakh | don't be gay |
| 06:31.55 | Gnea | heh |
| 06:32.08 | Gnea | being gay is gay |
| 06:32.12 | Guerin | Drakh: don't make me tell you again |
| 06:32.15 | Drakh | •Gnea• i agree |
| 06:32.17 | Drakh | errr |
| 06:32.20 | Drakh | god i hate that |
| 06:32.25 | mattfury | !lose Gnea , Guerin |
| 06:32.25 | Gnea | so do i |
| 06:32.26 | dpkg | Gnea , Guerin: You Lose. |
| 06:32.33 | Guilherme | Drakh ! You have to agree, you loved me and now i drove you crazy ! do you want my cellphone number ? |
| 06:32.39 | Drakh | Guerin you can ban me? |
| 06:32.40 | peterS | !ops flood |
| 06:32.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: flood |
| 06:32.49 | Guerin | !ops please kick Guilherme and Drakh |
| 06:32.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: please kick Guilherme and Drakh |
| 06:32.55 | Guerin | bah, lag |
| 06:32.55 | Guerin | wtf |
| 06:32.56 | nvz | heh |
| 06:32.59 | Gnea | !ops Guilherme is profusely off-topic, spamming and just generally annoying |
| 06:33.00 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: Guilherme is profusely off-topic, spamming and just generally annoying |
| 06:33.01 | *** mode/#debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ |
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| 06:33.06 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@201-26-157-172.dial-up.telesp.net.br] by caphuso |
| 06:33.08 | *** kick/#debian [Drakh!i=foobar@p5481C661.dip.t-dialin.net] by caphuso (caphuso) |
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| 06:33.08 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@S0106000a5e04242a.vs.shawcable.net] by caphuso |
| 06:33.12 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 06:33.23 | mattfury | =) |
| 06:33.25 | peterS | autorejoin, yay |
| 06:33.28 | mattfury | <3 caphuso |
| 06:33.37 | peterS | at least Drakh can't say anything |
| 06:33.42 | Guerin | caphuso for the win! |
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| 06:33.50 | mattfury | !win caphuso |
| 06:33.51 | dpkg | Congratulations, caphuso! You have won the US presidency! |
| 06:33.59 | streuner | !sunday |
| 06:33.59 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
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| 06:34.03 | Gnea | that's a win? ;) |
| 06:34.17 | peterS | the deck is a bit stacked in favor of the people chanserv knows about |
| 06:34.21 | BladeRunner05 | I need to download with apt-get a .deb package and install it another time. Wich is the cmd ? |
| 06:34.35 | Gnea | BladeRunner05: dpkg -i file.deb |
| 06:34.36 | peterS | BladeRunner05: apt-get -d install packagename |
| 06:34.44 | Gnea | BladeRunner05: er yeah, what peterS said |
| 06:34.48 | peterS | BladeRunner05: the -d means just download the .deb files and put them in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 06:35.07 | k-dog | Does wdm log starup error messages anywhere? |
| 06:35.13 | BladeRunner05 | peterS,Gnea: tnx |
| 06:35.24 | Gnea | np |
| 06:35.53 | kevix | BladeRunner05, the next question is why? aren't 16000 packages enought? |
| 06:36.06 | Guerin | nvz: so fucking do it silently then |
| 06:36.08 | k-dog | nvz: Depends. If it's nobody you know, there's little harm ;-) |
| 06:36.12 | peterS | nvz: the *second* 1:30 am, at that |
| 06:36.17 | Guerin | nvz: don't silently announce it to us, because we don't give a fuck |
| 06:36.20 | peterS | the first one was an hour ago |
| 06:36.25 | nvz | heh |
| 06:36.27 | kevix | nvz, it depends on the timezone! |
| 06:36.39 | peterS | kevix: he's in EST, which was EDT until half an hour ago |
| 06:36.41 | pacman | how do you people in the DST universe disambiguate your timestamps? |
| 06:36.52 | Gnea | ok, this sparc is starting to get on my nerves - i don't have a monitor cable for it, and if i unplug the keyboard it won't power up and when the keyboard is plugged in, nothing shows up on the serial console |
| 06:37.02 | k-dog | pacman: UTC -<offset hours> |
| 06:37.13 | Supaplex | pacman: with care! |
| 06:37.14 | pacman | we're getting DST here next year, and I don't know how I'm going to deal with having 2 different time_t's look the SAME in all my logs... |
| 06:37.14 | k-dog | pacman: PST/PDT, as well, eg. |
| 06:37.17 | nvz | I guess it wouldnt hurt to call and see wtf is up I mean its safe to call a cell phone right.. if they were in bed or something, they should have shut it off |
| 06:37.24 | Gnea | peterS: oh yeah, that whole hour flip thing... we don't have that here |
| 06:37.27 | peterS | yeah, including +NNNN or -NNNN in all timestamps is the usual way |
| 06:37.43 | k-dog | pacman: Oh, _those_ timestamps. |
| 06:37.49 | k-dog | pacman: ... set system time to UTC. |
| 06:37.50 | peterS | nvz: call, or call not. there is no try |
| 06:37.50 | pacman | OK, for example, how do you get syslogd to write unambiguous timestamps? |
| 06:38.02 | peterS | pacman: I think for the most part we ignore the problem, actually |
| 06:38.05 | Guerin | nvz: and there is no fucking talk about it |
| 06:38.31 | Horde | wow guerin have you slept since last time i was on? |
| 06:38.37 | Horde | thats like 24 hours ago |
| 06:38.38 | peterS | pacman: there's only one hour per year where it's ambiguous, and most apps that parse human-readable timestamps don't require *that* much accuracy |
| 06:38.51 | Guerin | Horde: if it was 24 hours ago, then I have |
| 06:38.53 | nvz | peterS: yeah. I should have called earlier but they were doing a wedding. I spent all afternoon chacing around the valley to get the number.. this happens a lot when people change their numbers, and you got to call everyone in the valley to figure out the new number |
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| 06:39.11 | Horde | dont seem like it |
| 06:39.16 | peterS | nvz: the joys of cell phones. with land lines you can just call information and they'll give you the number (: |
| 06:39.17 | pacman | hmm... isn't that ambiguity exploitable? if you don't want to get caught doing something nasty, do it when the logs will be ambiguous. |
| 06:39.18 | Horde | you sound very grumpy |
| 06:39.28 | nvz | Guerin: you are bitter :P |
| 06:39.28 | Horde | and i think you should go to sleep |
| 06:39.36 | kevix | nvz, use xchat! |
| 06:39.36 | Horde | lol |
| 06:39.51 | Guerin | Horde: i'm grumpy because people in here are even more fucktarded than usual for a sunday, if such a thing is even possible |
| 06:39.53 | caphuso | pacman: "cool, an exploitable box. let's wait 7 months, than crack it" |
| 06:40.00 | Horde | wow |
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| 06:40.03 | nvz | Guerin: maybe you should demonstrate relations with women for us, since your doing so well obviously :P |
| 06:40.07 | Horde | thats kinda scary |
| 06:40.09 | Gnea | Guerin: STFU |
| 06:40.10 | mattfury | ok :) |
| 06:40.12 | Gnea | :) |
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| 06:40.20 | peterS | pacman: well, if it's something people will *see* in a log, they'll still see it. the exact time something happened is usually either (a) obvious because there's lots of activity in the log before and after, or (b) unimportant, because there isn't |
| 06:40.22 | mattfury | what other editors can i use???? |
| 06:40.22 | pacman | uh, "cool, an exploitable time frame, let's set the worm to launch its DDoS in 7 months when everything will be confused" ? |
| 06:40.38 | mattfury | xedit or gedit wont work. |
| 06:40.42 | Horde | well i think you should step back and laugh instead of getting pissed off at it |
| 06:40.44 | mattfury | nor gdm or xdm |
| 06:40.45 | Gnea | mattfury: oh you wanna be next? |
| 06:40.47 | Horde | i find tha helps me |
| 06:40.48 | caphuso | pacman: nobody except you seems to be confused :) |
| 06:40.54 | Gnea | mattfury: vim |
| 06:40.59 | Guerin | nvz: as a wise man once said "in the end, no one can sell you what you need / you can't buy it off the shelf / you gotta grow it from the seed." |
| 06:41.02 | mattfury | hate vim |
| 06:41.02 | nvz | yeah I just leave when this place gets annoying |
| 06:41.07 | Gnea | then die. |
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| 06:41.11 | BladeRunner05 | Wich is good tu run as emule for debian ? |
| 06:41.17 | pacman | well, I've been living in the sane universe, where time is linear, and enjoyed it |
| 06:41.33 | mattfury | and 1D for pacman . |
| 06:41.36 | nvz | Guerin: works for me. |
| 06:41.47 | mattfury | (1st dimensional) |
| 06:41.57 | Horde | heh this is even more fun than the yahoo hip hop rooms |
| 06:42.07 | mattfury | lol |
| 06:42.13 | pacman | I never realized ctime(3) was not universally a reversible mapping until DST threatened to come upon me, and then I had to think seriously about it. |
| 06:42.18 | nvz | seems like too many people these days got used to one-stop shopping though |
| 06:42.20 | peterS | pacman: I agree that for log files that will be parsed by machine, using a sane time format is preferable. ISO-8601 is pretty cool for that - it's really easy to write and parse, and can easily store TZ info unambiguously |
| 06:42.28 | Horde | yeah |
| 06:42.41 | mattfury | peterS, what other editors are there??? |
| 06:42.48 | mattfury | xedit or gedit wont work. |
| 06:42.56 | mattfury | or open in usrname - mattfury |
| 06:42.59 | mattfury | only in root |
| 06:43.03 | mattfury | not sudo |
| 06:43.27 | kevix | BladeRunner05, amule or xmule |
| 06:43.27 | mattfury | without the xdm, gdm 's ... |
| 06:43.36 | mattfury | ops sorry. |
| 06:43.46 | Lasa | Hi, I cannot load snd-virmid (or snd-mpu401) midi devices with kernel 2.6.12-1-k7. Virmidi writes dmsg: "Card-VirMIDI #1 not found or device busy". Maybe a rawmidi related problem? (rawmidi is loaded ok though). I am using unstable. |
| 06:43.48 | peterS | mattfury: there are all kinds of editors. I prefer xemacs and the vi clones, myself (I mostly use xemacs but I use vi as root, for various reasons) |
| 06:44.02 | caphuso | pacman: even if you were in that situation that someone did something evil in that one hour, it'd be easy to make the timestamps disambigious |
| 06:44.06 | Guerin | yeah, running emacs as root is insane |
| 06:44.19 | mattfury | peterS, as terminal? |
| 06:44.33 | peterS | mattfury: yes. I never use xemacs in X mode |
| 06:44.36 | kevix | mattfury, elvis,vi,vim,jed,emacs,gedit,ed,awk, |
| 06:44.39 | peterS | well, *basically* never |
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| 06:44.58 | kevix | mattfury, pico? |
| 06:44.59 | caphuso | pacman: it's not like the second 02:01 would be inserted between the first 02:00 and 02:02 |
| 06:45.01 | mattfury | kevix, whats the easiest to use? =P |
| 06:45.15 | Guerin | mattfury: nano |
| 06:45.19 | mattfury | just need to edit that piece out. |
| 06:45.27 | BladeRunner05 | Please suggest me a package for debian that let me to connect to emule server |
| 06:45.48 | Guerin | BladeRunner05: people already did |
| 06:45.50 | peterS | mattfury: nano is easiest to use if you remember the very simple idea that "^N" means Control-N |
| 06:45.58 | pacman | oh wait... this is what the syslog "-- MARK --" is useful for! it guarantees at least 3 log lines per hour, preventing an hour-long gap in which DST can screw you |
| 06:46.05 | mattfury | :D galaga! |
| 06:46.06 | mattfury | =P |
| 06:46.07 | BladeRunner05 | Guein: sorry I didn't read it |
| 06:46.08 | Horde | just out of interest, what packages and or programs are good for sound recording? |
| 06:46.12 | Horde | not audacity |
| 06:46.15 | mattfury | ohh sorry? |
| 06:46.18 | peterS | pacman: heh, yeah. I find -- MARK -- annoying, but it obviously has its uses |
| 06:46.21 | Guerin | BladeRunner05: apt-cache search mule |
| 06:46.22 | caphuso | pacman: no |
| 06:46.33 | Guerin | Horde: sox |
| 06:46.33 | caphuso | pacman: it's mainly there that you can see that syslog actually works |
| 06:46.45 | poh | I have installed eclipse-pde and when I run eclipse (from unstable), I don't have the reference for the plug-in development editor, where can I get them? |
| 06:46.47 | peterS | caphuso: yes, but it has the side effect of disambiguating DST transitions |
| 06:46.54 | Horde | yeah, anything else or is sox pretty much it? |
| 06:46.54 | pacman | but the -- MARK -- doesn't show in every file, it just goes to one specific facility |
| 06:46.58 | caphuso | peterS: not necessarily |
| 06:47.03 | Guerin | Horde: ardour, audacity |
| 06:47.12 | BladeRunner05 | Guerin: amule is good and sure ? |
| 06:47.18 | fooscope | Horde:sweep is decent, you can scratch on the waveform too |
| 06:47.40 | Horde | sweep you say? alright ill have a look at ardour too |
| 06:47.45 | caphuso | peterS: if the disambiguous line in /var/log/lpr.log, for example, you'd still be stuck with that (non-)issue |
| 06:47.55 | peterS | that is true |
| 06:48.02 | Horde | its just recording using the default recorder givem me .flac files |
| 06:48.06 | Horde | andi hate .flac files |
| 06:48.28 | peterS | I hope I don't get any really strange log messages in the next hour and 12 minutes. then I'll be ok for the rest of the year. |
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| 06:49.10 | Guerin | BladeRunner05: no idea. |
| 06:49.15 | pacman | if I nkew it was just syslogd, I could figure out what to do. But I'm just worried that the underlying assumption (that ctime() is unambiguous) may be scattered all over the system |
| 06:49.24 | mattfury | <3 galaga & galaxian. |
| 06:49.32 | BladeRunner05 | Guerin: tnx |
| 06:49.58 | peterS | pacman: the thing to do is to prosyletize ISO-8601 including TZ info, everywhere |
| 06:50.24 | peterS | pacman: or pick UTC for your system TZ and just use the TZ variable in .bash_login or whatever, for personal accounts |
| 06:50.29 | Horde | what package is ardour in? |
| 06:50.30 | caphuso | and a lot of stuff uses epoch seconds |
| 06:50.31 | SimonRaven | i started using iso8601 in my timestamps. makes things a lot easier |
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| 06:51.00 | grendal_prime | i find this really odd |
| 06:51.00 | pacman | I listened to a debate being carried on local radio about timezones, when counties in Indiana were recently offered the choice of going to Central+DST or Eastern+DST. It was sad... half the people seemed to believe that they were actually creating more sunlight. |
| 06:51.02 | nvz | I finally figured out when I was programming a scheduler the other day why the epoch is used |
| 06:51.04 | peterS | this fixation with rfc822-like date strings is really annoying, isn't it? hard to parse, really verbose |
| 06:51.27 | grendal_prime | you would think an app like xplane would have the ability to send text to festival..or...well something speech related |
| 06:51.29 | pacman | RFC822 has time zone info, it's smart. |
| 06:51.32 | SimonRaven | yeh. i like it short and sweet |
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| 06:51.46 | k-dog | peterS: My preferred timestamp format is '.' |
| 06:51.47 | nvz | there is no reliable method I can come up with that works better than the epoch to measure elapsed time, without it screwing up when night turns to day, or day turns to night.. etc |
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| 06:51.59 | k-dog | peterS: ... eg: it'll happen when it happens / it happened when it happened. |
| 06:51.59 | SimonRaven | rfc822 is like sunday, 8 september, 2005 -0500 |
| 06:52.01 | peterS | nvz: indeed |
| 06:52.12 | aliasptr | Anyone have an idea how to cleanly bring up a bridge with a wireless card that needs firmware loaded? |
| 06:52.14 | k-dog | peterS: .. with the added bonus that it's space efficient and readily regexable. |
| 06:52.24 | peterS | k-dog: true |
| 06:52.28 | nvz | I eventually made a function GetTimeOfDay() that returned unix time in seconds since the epoch |
| 06:52.34 | k-dog | bbaim |
| 06:52.43 | pacman | there's something nice about djb style logs, just a time_t with fractional part added on from gettimeofday(), let the reader render it however they like |
| 06:52.53 | peterS | oh, that is nice |
| 06:53.04 | Horde | anyone know what package is ardour in? |
| 06:53.11 | peterS | though I think iso8601 is a nice compromise between simple and readable |
| 06:53.20 | pacman | apt-cache search ardour? apt-file search ardour? |
| 06:53.32 | aliasptr | Putt fw_primary in a bridge device won't work |
| 06:53.49 | paivakil | I have loacted I file I want on alioth using websvn. How do I download it without the accompanying markup? |
| 06:53.55 | SimonRaven | Guerin: seems to have gotten sane again |
| 06:53.58 | aliasptr | putting that is |
| 06:53.59 | Horde | nah i want to find out what cd its on, using the jigdo image search |
| 06:54.16 | nvz | I then made some other function that given a datestr could convert unix time into various human redable formats |
| 06:54.26 | pacman | seems like firmware loading should be at a lower level than bridging, they shouldn't really affect each other (other than that you need to make sure the firmware you load will perform adequately to allow the bridge to work) |
| 06:54.29 | nvz | worked out much better than my other half assed attempts |
| 06:54.51 | peterS | nvz: yep. that would. |
| 06:55.04 | nvz | my first night of testing my program I realized that it would only work if I started it after midnight and it would only run until noon without fucking up badly |
| 06:55.06 | SimonRaven | having something do it the other way would be nice too |
| 06:55.12 | peterS | nvz: IMO it's the only sane way to operate - do everything in epoch time or equivalent, and only render to other formats as needed |
| 06:55.13 | aliasptr | pacman, it breaks ifup |
| 06:55.58 | peterS | paivakil: svn cat http://svn.debian.org/path/to/file > localfile |
| 06:56.13 | aliasptr | Also I can't use any other wireless_* commands, before I ran them as pre-up commands using iwconfig |
| 06:56.17 | nvz | peterS: I thought a good bit about it.. and I realized then why it was designed this way. unix time was always a mystery to me as far as why it was used. Now I fully understand its the most flexible format from a programming point of view |
| 06:56.19 | peterS | paivakil: you have to install 'subversion' to use this, naturally |
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| 06:56.35 | paivakil | peterS: thanks |
| 06:56.46 | aliasptr | and I'd load the firmware by calling srec whatever from the hostap-sources because that program's not included in hostap because of ifup's firmware loading capability |
| 06:56.49 | peterS | nvz: it's also compact - only 4 bytes and that's good from 1970 to 2038 |
| 06:56.50 | nvz | peterS: seems like scheduling is nearly impossible without it |
| 06:56.55 | k-dog | What's with this aptitude message? WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed! |
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| 06:57.12 | BladeRunner05 | Who knows a package to view .wmv files on debian ? with xine and totem it didn't allow this format |
| 06:57.13 | mattfury | wow playing on knoppix is more fun than debian atm. |
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| 06:57.43 | k-dog | !tell BladeRunner05 about marillat |
| 06:57.47 | paivakil | peterS: of course, I have it;) |
| 06:57.47 | aliasptr | BladeRunner05, assuming x86 you can install mplayer from unofficial sources and grab the library binaries |
| 06:57.53 | nvz | peterS: I wonder what they plan do do in the future does the epoch tick over or do you use a larger variable or what |
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| 06:58.06 | k-dog | nvz: 64b. |
| 06:58.22 | peterS | paivakil: actually, easier is: svn export http://svn.debian.org/path/to/file |
| 06:58.36 | peterS | paivakil: I didn't realise you could do that for individual files until I tried it just now |
| 06:59.01 | w3rdn4 | when I open up http://chishiki.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~maruyama/e-learning/Lecture1/default.htm it says I need internet explorer 5.0 how do I get past this so I can watch my video lectures from Japan? |
| 06:59.20 | peterS | paivakil: so for example, 'svn export http://svn.debian.org/pkg-subversion/trunk/debian/rules' |
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| 06:59.28 | aliasptr | w3rdn4, change client id in firefox as IE |
| 06:59.40 | BladeRunner05 | I try but mplayer didn't exist for apt-get |
| 06:59.52 | pacman | nvz, that's the year 2038 problem (31 bits... because a lot of the 32 bit implementations are signed) and what'll happen is a big Y2K-style panic, followed by a few minor Y2K-style bugs that get fixed by the few remaining old-timers who still know how to use the ancient 32-bit machines... |
| 06:59.53 | nvz | BladeRunner05: /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 07:01.03 | pacman | the fix will probably be to make all the old 32-bit time_t's unsigned, and hope that the old 32-bit machines don't survive ANOTHER 69 years. |
| 07:01.07 | peterS | nvz: you've got options. you could reset the epoch from 1970 to, for example, 2000, and gain another 30 years that way. or you could use 64-bit numbers. or you could consider negative numbers to be unsigned unless the actual value is -1, and then you get another 68 years |
| 07:01.54 | dorto | what GTK version is present in debian sarge(3.1)? 2.x? |
| 07:02.11 | peterS | dorto: 'apt-cache show libgtk2.0-0' |
| 07:02.16 | nvz | yeah but wtf is the point of using the epoch of 1/1/1970 when we know it will overflow our 32bit variable one day it seems to me that the consistancy of this timeformat isnt really needed at least not what I programmed. I only needed Unix time to keep track of time elapsed in seconds. the system already knew for sure what day it was and such |
| 07:02.30 | pacman | gtk 1.2 is also present in sarge |
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| 07:03.08 | peterS | dorto: it seems sarge ships with gtk 2.6.4, as well as gtk 1.2.10 or so |
| 07:03.13 | nvz | for my small scheduling program I made at work on windows machines. I could easily set the epoch as the time the program was started and get just as good results as a static epoch |
| 07:03.17 | dorto | ok |
| 07:03.34 | dorto | my terminal is not opening after a crash |
| 07:03.34 | peterS | nvz: sure, nothing wrong with that approach either |
| 07:03.37 | dorto | lemme reboot |
| 07:03.42 | kevix | dorto, maybe 2.4? |
| 07:04.20 | peterS | nvz: the eventual problem will be old tarfiles and ext2 filesystems and such, which store timestamps as a 32-bit epoch starting in 1970. newer file formats can define the epoch to start later, or use 64 bits, or whatever |
| 07:04.26 | pacman | nvz, how would you store, for example, timestamps on files in a filesystem? you wouldn't be happy if you lost them all over a reboot. |
| 07:05.17 | nvz | why arent timestamps and everything else kept as a more reliable format |
| 07:05.30 | caphuso | nvz: like? |
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| 07:05.49 | peterS | nvz: the epoch won't have problems for 68 years after it was introduced. I highly doubt anyone thought unix would last 68 years |
| 07:05.52 | rutski89 | is my P4 an ia32? |
| 07:06.04 | peterS | rutski89: probably, unless it's a 64-bit xeon |
| 07:06.20 | caphuso | peterS: it's not sure yet that it will :) |
| 07:06.23 | rutski89 | nope |
| 07:06.26 | rutski89 | ty |
| 07:06.33 | nvz | *shrug* the real time clock spits out normal date formats.. it only recently became apperent to me that Unix time was important for scheduling.. so I dont think it should be used for more than internal scheduling everything that relates to the user somehow should be translated into th users format |
| 07:07.06 | nvz | though I guess this uncovers the point that with things like file stamps that this is another area we could find use for a univeral time format that doesnt change from user to user |
| 07:07.06 | peterS | nvz: translating time formats is a solved problem. we have lots of library functions to do this, in all common languages. so it's really not a big deal. |
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| 07:07.45 | peterS | nvz: for file formats you do need something stable. a 32-bit number of seconds is as good and as simple as anything. simple and compact are *features* in a file format, makes it easier not to screw up the parsing |
| 07:07.48 | pacman | doesn't the typical PC RTC use a 1980 epoch? |
| 07:07.54 | BladeRunner05 | nvz: I follow the info u suggest me but this is the result when I type apt-cache search mplayer http://pastebin.com/410724 |
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| 07:07.56 | peterS | I think so, yeah |
| 07:08.04 | mattfury | hey i fixed it :D |
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| 07:08.09 | peterS | and the typical Mac RTC uses a 1900 epoch, I think, but I could be mistaken |
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| 07:08.21 | nvz | BladeRunner05: are you using sarge? |
| 07:08.40 | mattfury | ok, so now how do i setup my ATi card? |
| 07:08.48 | mattfury | after that crap performance. |
| 07:08.57 | caphuso | BladeRunner05: did you forget to run "apt-get update"? |
| 07:09.25 | nvz | caphuso: I was thinking maybe he had been using a version of apt that needed keys |
| 07:09.29 | caphuso | not that i actually understand the error messages |
| 07:09.31 | nvz | though I didnt read his pastebin |
| 07:09.40 | caphuso | nvz: not for apt-cache |
| 07:10.25 | BladeRunner05 | nvz: I'm running sarge testing I believe, there is a way to know it correctly ? |
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| 07:10.33 | biohazrd | anyone here using an nforce4 board or care to comment good or bad? |
| 07:10.41 | aliasptr | biohazrd, I am |
| 07:10.56 | peterS | BladeRunner05: 'apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' is the usual way |
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| 07:11.00 | biohazrd | aliasptr, good experience? |
| 07:11.03 | aliasptr | yep |
| 07:11.13 | nvz | BladeRunner05: sarge testing doesnt exist. |
| 07:11.19 | biohazrd | what sound and ethernet? |
| 07:11.21 | nvz | BladeRunner05: Sarge is stable, Etch is Testing |
| 07:11.25 | mattfury | i have a daftpunk clip :)) |
| 07:11.36 | pacman | if you are using testing, and you haven't done any updates for the last 6 months, you still have "sarge testing" :) |
| 07:11.36 | nvz | BladeRunner05: if you installed sarge when it was still testing, then you are probably running Etch now |
| 07:11.52 | nvz | see also ^ |
| 07:12.08 | BladeRunner05 | peterS: 500 http://ftp.it.debian.org testing/main Packages |
| 07:12.09 | mattfury | nvz: can you help with my pathetic problem? |
| 07:12.16 | peterS | BladeRunner05: that answers the question then |
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| 07:12.21 | sam_in | i am working for adsl based internet service provider lot of pepole has/had a complete aboout login to net but not able to browser can i use some other proxy on the net to check what is problem or is there any way to find out what is wrong with the clients pc |
| 07:12.23 | nvz | mattfury: probably not.. trying to help my own |
| 07:12.37 | nvz | I am awake at 2am with nothing to do.. I have my own pathetic problem |
| 07:12.49 | nvz | still trying to decide on what to do |
| 07:12.50 | bob2 | nvz: learn to program in Intercal! |
| 07:12.51 | peterS | sam_in: the ISP uses debian? |
| 07:12.51 | biohazrd | aliasptr, what sound and ethernet drivers did you go with? |
| 07:12.57 | nvz | heh |
| 07:12.58 | sam_in | no |
| 07:13.02 | sam_in | suse |
| 07:13.03 | BladeRunner05 | nvz,peterS: is testing like I see in /etc/apt/source.list |
| 07:13.08 | nvz | wtf is intercal and why would I want to learn that |
| 07:13.12 | mattfury | nvz: create a working ***fucking*** ati driver? |
| 07:13.17 | H202 | sam_in: can he ping the gateway after being connected to the network? |
| 07:13.19 | mattfury | sorry. |
| 07:13.24 | aliasptr | biohazrd, sorry I was looking up my board model number because I'm retarded and can't remember, I know it uses a Marvell and sk98 driver |
| 07:13.30 | H202 | sam_in: what error does he receive? |
| 07:13.30 | biohazrd | lol |
| 07:13.33 | sam_in | can i use debian /but i can monitor that network |
| 07:13.43 | peterS | nvz: you wouldn't. stay away from INTERCAL. stay far away. |
| 07:13.46 | aliasptr | biohazrd, It as the integrated nforce sound which sucks ass becuase it lacks hardware mixing |
| 07:13.53 | mattfury | i dont think others can see me on a network. |
| 07:13.56 | peterS | nvz: it's a computer language expressly designed to be as horrible as possible |
| 07:14.02 | mattfury | not that i'd share anything. |
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| 07:14.11 | biohazrd | is the sound alc850? |
| 07:14.14 | biohazrd | realtek |
| 07:14.16 | sam_in | peterS:is there a way to check with debian |
| 07:14.41 | nvz | peterS: like MS Basic? |
| 07:14.47 | peterS | nvz: much, much worse |
| 07:14.53 | nvz | eww |
| 07:15.07 | nvz | worse than AppleScript? |
| 07:15.15 | peterS | sam_in: "the browser doesn't work" is the kind of problem report which is impossible to do much about. you really have to narrow it down. could be packet flow, could be a bad firewall, could be DNS, could be routes |
| 07:15.30 | biohazrd | nvsound is supposed to be the best, but I am not to keen on binary drivers |
| 07:15.34 | peterS | nvz: I don't know AppleScript. but INTERCAL was specifically *designed* to be bad, it didn't just happen by accident |
| 07:15.43 | nvz | that applescript is really annoying. the easier they try to make programming the more complex it becomes [to programmers] |
| 07:16.12 | peterS | nvz: most famous feature of INTERCAL would be the "COME FROM" statement, which is the inverse of a GOTO |
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| 07:16.20 | sam_in | peterS:can i monitor if yes how |
| 07:16.29 | nvz | I remember the days of reading pairs of hex codes out of magazines and plugging them into a debugger for days just to play a stupid game |
| 07:16.35 | peterS | nvz: that is, at the *destination* location you have "COME FROM" and the program flow just jumps to there from wherever else it was |
| 07:16.39 | mattfury | how well do DOS games work on wine?? |
| 07:16.50 | nvz | then all these high-level wannabe programming environments came along :P |
| 07:16.50 | mattfury | i've only ever used windows programs. |
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| 07:18.03 | nvz | come from boston; bring baked beans; done |
| 07:18.15 | nvz | I am catching on already |
| 07:18.28 | nvz | I will be a true Intercal developer before you know it |
| 07:18.54 | mattfury | mattfury script: get up, have breakfast while boot pc, if pc = boot = true then boot pc = false. |
| 07:19.11 | mattfury | makes sense to me :) |
| 07:19.29 | JosephSpiros | you seem to be using "=" for both comparision and assignment |
| 07:19.42 | nvz | yep |
| 07:19.47 | JosephSpiros | bad mojo ;x |
| 07:19.56 | peterS | JosephSpiros: that's the legacy of BASIC |
| 07:19.58 | nvz | most forms of BASIC do that |
| 07:20.02 | mattfury | too much vb programming ... |
| 07:20.09 | mattfury | ._. |
| 07:20.18 | JosephSpiros | peterS: still bad mojo :) |
| 07:20.38 | peterS | mattfury: an emoticon which is actually morse code for "R"? |
| 07:20.55 | mattfury | o_0 |
| 07:21.19 | mattfury | someone tell mattfury about flgrlx drivers. |
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| 07:21.27 | peterS | now o_0 is not morse code for anything |
| 07:21.35 | nvz | I still program faster in BASIC than most anything becasue its what I spent the most time learning on. its just that its underdeveloped and hardly capable of doing some things. Python is my new-aged BASIC now.. but I cant code as naturally in it yet. I have to take a refresher course through the docs everytime I want to do something in python |
| 07:21.43 | mace_ | quick question |
| 07:22.06 | mattfury | !tell mattfury about ati drivers |
| 07:22.50 | mace_ | how can i get a list of distribution sources for apt-get? |
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| 07:23.01 | peterS | mace_: surf to http://www.apt-get.org/ |
| 07:23.10 | peterS | mace_: or if you just mean Debian mirrors, run 'apt-setup' |
| 07:23.12 | nvz | python seems pretty limited too, but its not that hard to extend and it is what to me seems like shorthand BASIC. its way quicker to code anything in python than any other language because its so well documented and easy to understand. Perl of course could do things quickly but you have to be perl-minded and know how to use it. |
| 07:24.25 | nkuttler | mattfury: you don't need wine for DOS apps, apt-cache search dos emulator |
| 07:24.34 | nvz | I think python would be good for beginners. it teaches more standard syntax and habbits than BASIC and is easy to catch on to.. the only downside to its syntax is the use of whitespace where as most all other languages are independant of whitespace |
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| 07:25.35 | mattfury | the new maximum bass really hits the spot. |
| 07:25.43 | mattfury | (<3 bass) |
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| 07:27.11 | amahbod | hello all. i am having trouble with my system clock: every day it is not syncronized, it runs 5 minutes too fast. |
| 07:27.14 | peterS | nvz: I think python is widely used as an introductory language nowadays. the language annoys me but I won't deny its benefits for pedagogy |
| 07:27.23 | amahbod | amahbod, how can i fix this? |
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| 07:28.12 | amahbod | amahbod, and could the problem be that i replaced my cpu with a faster one without reinstalling debian? |
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| 07:28.31 | Guerin | amahbod: what was the old, and what is the new? |
| 07:28.37 | k-dog | amahbod: If the CPU version stayed the same, not very likely. |
| 07:28.44 | akusarujin | is there a way to tell tar to extract only things beneath a certain directory within an archive? i've tried tar xfvj file/path/ but that doesn't seem to work out (then again it's a 2gb archive, so i may be wrong, and it may still be searching through it.. |
| 07:28.48 | akusarujin | +) |
| 07:28.58 | amahbod | Guerin, both are athlon xp's, the new one is a 2.1 and the old one was a 1.5 |
| 07:28.59 | mace_ | i dont like apt-get.org |
| 07:29.10 | k-dog | akusarujin: I like 'mc' for reasonably small archives. |
| 07:29.19 | Guerin | amahbod: shouldn't be a problem; might be something wacky with your motherboard |
| 07:29.32 | akusarujin | hmm |
| 07:29.34 | bob2 | akusarujin: it will need to decompress the entire thing, even to unpack a small portion of it |
| 07:29.38 | amahbod | is ntpd supposed to syncronize with the time server? |
| 07:29.42 | akusarujin | i don't think mc would like to look at a 2gb archive :) |
| 07:29.43 | bob2 | akusarujin: decompressing 2GB of data will take a long long time |
| 07:29.43 | amahbod | if so, how often should it do it? |
| 07:29.51 | k-dog | akusarujin: ... otherwise, tar xzvf $( tar tzvf | grep <pathname> ) |
| 07:29.56 | Guerin | amahbod: yeah, but ntpd won't correct big discrepancies |
| 07:30.06 | akusarujin | bob2: so was my syntax correct? |
| 07:30.12 | Guerin | amahbod: ntpdate will sync once, and ntpd should keep it in sync |
| 07:30.22 | bob2 | akusarujin: no |
| 07:30.27 | akusarujin | awesome |
| 07:30.33 | akusarujin | should i stick with what k-dog recommended? |
| 07:30.41 | bob2 | akusarujin: tar -jxvf blah.tar.bz2 dir/ |
| 07:30.42 | k-dog | akusarujin: AFAIK you have to specify the full name of what you're unpacking. |
| 07:30.45 | amahbod | Guerin, so should i ntpdate and then ntpd? |
| 07:30.50 | mace_ | when I first setup debian, i was asked to configure the source list, how do get that again? |
| 07:30.56 | amahbod | Guerin, it doesnt seem like ntpd alone is working |
| 07:30.58 | mace_ | I know there is a command |
| 07:30.59 | k-dog | mace_: vi /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:30.59 | bbrazil | mace_: apt_setup |
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| 07:31.04 | akusarujin | bob2: that was what i said .. |
| 07:31.11 | Guerin | amahbod: as i explained... |
| 07:31.19 | bob2 | akusarujin: no it's not |
| 07:31.23 | akusarujin | bob2: doh, actually i made a mistake, i left out the archive name |
| 07:31.29 | bob2 | akusarujin: -jxvf != xfvj |
| 07:31.34 | akusarujin | eh? |
| 07:31.34 | mace_ | yeah it was apt-setup thanx |
| 07:31.36 | bob2 | akusarujin: f has to be last |
| 07:31.39 | akusarujin | "-" is required? |
| 07:31.43 | akusarujin | ah |
| 07:31.50 | bob2 | akusarujin: - is not required |
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| 07:32.25 | akusarujin | okay, so i should be fine with tar jxvf foo.tar.bz2 some/partial/path ? |
| 07:32.38 | bob2 | yes |
| 07:32.41 | peterS | akusarujin: you can. I normally omit the v flag |
| 07:32.42 | k-dog | akusarujin: you have to follow 'f' with the archive filename. |
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| 07:32.50 | bob2 | except that it will decompress the entire file to ram |
| 07:32.56 | akusarujin | eh, v lets me know it's still alive with a fat 2gb archive |
| 07:32.58 | bob2 | before extracting the contents |
| 07:33.01 | peterS | akusarujin: heh, true |
| 07:33.15 | akusarujin | ahahaha |
| 07:33.17 | akusarujin | to ram? |
| 07:33.23 | bob2 | I assume it uses a pipe |
| 07:33.23 | peterS | not the whole file, just large chunks of it at a time |
| 07:33.24 | akusarujin | not even to swap? |
| 07:33.30 | k-dog | bob2: You sure of that? |
| 07:33.32 | akusarujin | ah, okay |
| 07:33.44 | bob2 | oh, good point, it will block |
| 07:33.48 | peterS | I mean, it doesn't keep the whole thing in ram. it'll decompress the whole thing, in parallel with extracting the bits |
| 07:34.04 | pacman | umm.. a pipe cannot consume "all RAM". It only buffers a few K. |
| 07:34.07 | k-dog | peterS: That's my understanding. Welcome to pipelines. |
| 07:34.11 | peterS | but once you've got the files you want, you can always ctrl-c the bastard to stop it from searching the whole rest of the tarfile |
| 07:34.18 | k-dog | peterS: sort does ;-) |
| 07:34.31 | k-dog | peterS: ... which is why it's sometimes called a sponge. |
| 07:34.41 | peterS | k-dog: yeah, but that's nothing to do with the pipeline business, it's just because sort can't do its job without all the input |
| 07:34.50 | k-dog | peterS: Right. |
| 07:34.54 | akusarujin | the problem is that the tarball has a bad file in it, or something |
| 07:35.02 | akusarujin | and i'm hoping it'll go past it.. somehow |
| 07:35.09 | akusarujin | so long as i don't try to extract that file |
| 07:35.11 | k-dog | peterS: ... and I think it actually uses temporary files if necessary, not certain... |
| 07:35.26 | peterS | akusarujin: is this on a CD or something, and the media itself is what is bad? |
| 07:35.29 | akusarujin | "tar: bzip2 decompression failedUnrecognized archive format: Inappropriate file type or format" for one of the files in the archive |
| 07:35.34 | akusarujin | no |
| 07:35.41 | akusarujin | it was compressed over the network :) |
| 07:35.50 | akusarujin | probably not the smartest move |
| 07:35.56 | k-dog | akusarujin: what's the compression format? gzip or bzip2? |
| 07:36.00 | akusarujin | bzip2 |
| 07:36.04 | k-dog | akusarujin: 'file <archive>' should tell you. |
| 07:36.05 | peterS | akusarujin: if the bzip2 format is corrupted, I'm not sure what you can do, other than try 'bzip2recover' on the poor thing |
| 07:36.21 | k-dog | akusarujin: Hrm. Yeah, that's a weakness of tar. |
| 07:36.24 | peterS | (I wouldn't bank on that working, either) |
| 07:36.39 | k-dog | akusarujin: Supposedly cpio / afio don't have this problem. |
| 07:37.02 | peterS | akusarujin: .zip format compresses individual files individually. .tar.bz2 or .tar.gz does not, it's one big compressed blob. if part of it is corrupt, you'll probably lose everything from that point onwards, unless bzip2recover can work some magic |
| 07:37.02 | k-dog | akusarujin: ... they store and compress data file-wise, rather than creating file-markers and compressing the entire archive. |
| 07:37.06 | akusarujin | i'm not sure how else i should store mass amounts of data if i can't rely on tar :/ |
| 07:37.25 | k-dog | akusarujin: Use *tested* tar files ;-) |
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| 07:38.06 | k-dog | akusarujin: ... _most_ of the time it works. As I mentioned, cpio / afio have different storage formats, but the command syntax is a bit IMVAO fuxnored. |
| 07:38.10 | peterS | akusarujin: if you need a compressed format, zip is really not bad. if you get corruption in the zip file, you generally only lose one file (so long as the total length doesn't change as part of the corruption) |
| 07:38.16 | Guerin | ok, so my annoying pdf works in acrocrap reader 7 |
| 07:38.30 | k-dog | Guerin: Cool. Annoying reader for annoying PDF. |
| 07:38.38 | akusarujin | hmm |
| 07:38.40 | k-dog | Guerin: ... can you copy and paste TWDT? |
| 07:38.45 | Guerin | is there some clever trickery I can do to print it to a file? |
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| 07:38.53 | Guerin | !TWDT |
| 07:39.01 | peterS | Guerin: is this acroread under linux or on some windows box? |
| 07:39.07 | Guerin | k-dog: parse error |
| 07:39.07 | akusarujin | perhaps i'll rely on zip in the future, then, peterS. i was completely unaware of that weakness in tars |
| 07:39.17 | Guerin | peterS: i don't have a windows box :) |
| 07:39.28 | peterS | akusarujin: actually I should let you know that zip has its own limit: no more than 2 GB for the whole compressed file |
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| 07:39.35 | pacman | Guerin: tell it to print to /dev/lp0 as a postscript printer, and make /dev/lp0 a named pipe? |
| 07:39.38 | akusarujin | ouch |
| 07:39.41 | akusarujin | hmm |
| 07:39.48 | Guerin | pacman: that's the sort of thing I was thinking of |
| 07:39.52 | peterS | akusarujin: winzip 8 uses an extension to the zip file format to get around this, but I don't think the extension is recognised by any other tools |
| 07:39.59 | Guerin | pacman: then I'd get a postscript file as output? |
| 07:40.06 | pacman | or set up a "tee"-style filter in /etc/printcap |
| 07:40.11 | k-dog | Guerin: The whole damned thing. |
| 07:40.24 | k-dog | Guerin: ... say, "select all" and dump into a text doc. |
| 07:40.32 | akusarujin | perhaps next time i shouldn't compress so much data, i suppose.. i thought it'd end up better, though. |
| 07:40.41 | faked | somebody tried to build nvidia-module with module-assistant in unstable with kernel 2.6.14? |
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| 07:40.59 | PaC0666 | hey all. |
| 07:40.59 | pacman | if you use CUPS there's probably a way to create a virtual printer that outputs to a file. In fact, something like that is how PDFs are usually made, I think (but on Windoze, not unix) |
| 07:41.09 | k-dog | Guerin: Got 'doze? |
| 07:41.12 | peterS | akusarujin: it's a general problem with most compression schemes - generally, reading the stream relies on absolute integrity of everything that came before in the stream |
| 07:41.39 | Guerin | k-dog: no doze |
| 07:41.42 | peterS | akusarujin: some algorithms aare more robust. and zip works around this by *independently* compressing each input file |
| 07:41.54 | pacman | you can always make a tarball full of [bg]zipped files instead of a [bg]zipped tarball, if you want something like that |
| 07:41.54 | k-dog | peterS: So does afio/cpio |
| 07:42.13 | peterS | pacman: you can, but the tools don't make this trivial, you have to script it yourself |
| 07:42.17 | pacman | a tarball full of gzipped files would be basically equivalent to zip |
| 07:42.18 | Guerin | k-dog: acrocrap 7 has an 'export to text' function which causes the program to die without output after ~50% |
| 07:42.31 | k-dog | Guerin: Well, that's a good first sttep. |
| 07:42.35 | akusarujin | i see what you mean, peterS; it's something to keep in mind in the future for sure. |
| 07:42.47 | k-dog | Guerin: Got this file in question somewhere? |
| 07:42.48 | Guerin | k-dog: it also has a 'save copy' which might be some use |
| 07:43.04 | Guerin | k-dog: i can do, gimme a moment |
| 07:43.07 | peterS | pacman: well, in that way, yes. still not quite the same, because zip is random-access (it puts the index at the end of the file), whereas tar is sequential (the index is interspersed, each file is described right before it is dumped) |
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| 07:43.13 | k-dog | Guerin: Another option is to run one of the "ps2ps" or "pdf2ps" functions. |
| 07:43.59 | pacman | the end-of-file zip table of contents is redundant, there are also headers before each entry. The standard "unzip" program refuses to work without the end-of-file table, but that's just a tool deficiency |
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| 07:44.50 | peterS | well, that tar doesn't have one requires things like reading the entire tarfile just to extract one file or one small group of files matching a prefix |
| 07:44.55 | k-dog | pacman: Point. tar *will* start handing you a compressed tar archive, even w/o the end. |
| 07:44.58 | Guerin | k-dog: i have tried that |
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| 07:45.13 | k-dog | Guerin: No dice? |
| 07:45.30 | Guerin | k-dog: nopes |
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| 07:46.29 | Guerin | hrm, now if I select all, what can I paste into |
| 07:46.31 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:46.38 | Guerin | oowriter! |
| 07:46.54 | pacman | I hope this PDF is worth all the trouble |
| 07:46.56 | Guerin | for great bloaty justice, both acroread and oowriter at once! |
| 07:47.01 | Guerin | pacman: oh, it not at all |
| 07:47.08 | pacman | and that you eventually get to LART the fool who sent it to you |
| 07:47.14 | k-dog | Guerin: nedit's usually good for that. |
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| 07:47.24 | Guerin | pacman: it's some trivial bookwarez i'm looking through to see if it's worth buying |
| 07:47.36 | akusarujin | k-dog, peterS, bob2, thank you all for the information earlier, by the way. |
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| 07:47.43 | bob2 | np |
| 07:47.43 | Guerin | despite the fact that I'm 90% certain it won't be |
| 07:47.48 | k-dog | akusarujin: NP |
| 07:48.28 | k-dog | Guerin: I think the answer to your question is mail to sales@domain (or postal mail) explaining how the vendor happened to fall off your shortlist. |
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| 07:49.11 | inxamp | âîó |
| 07:49.12 | inxamp | 8] |
| 07:49.16 | inxamp | Hi, Man |
| 07:49.16 | inxamp | 8] |
| 07:49.23 | welson | anyone knows about smbmount working for a normal user? (the smb share works perfectly and is accessible for the normal uesr, but root has to call mount) |
| 07:49.31 | Guerin | k-dog: since the vendor is j.random bookwarez0r |
| 07:49.39 | Guerin | i don't think that's much of an option |
| 07:49.41 | bbrazil | welson: it should just work |
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| 07:50.09 | bbrazil | welson: as long as the user calls smbmount, rather than mount |
| 07:50.14 | welson | bbrazil, well it isn't, is there anything else besides chmod u+s so on..is what I'm trying to figure out |
| 07:50.23 | k-dog | Guerin: Heh. |
| 07:50.35 | k-dog | Guerin: I think you need a hobby or a wife ;-) |
| 07:50.53 | Guerin | k-dog: i have both, and try to use them concurrently as much as possible |
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| 07:51.59 | dacer | hi, I'm searching, and now don't find it, how to format a new swap partition |
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| 07:52.06 | bbrazil | welson: smbmnt is the one that needs suid. can't get it working on my system |
| 07:52.11 | peterS | dacer: mkswap |
| 07:52.14 | bbrazil | dacer: mkswap |
| 07:52.21 | dacer | yes I know |
| 07:52.33 | dacer | but don't remenber parameters |
| 07:52.40 | bbrazil | dacer: man mkswap |
| 07:52.42 | peterS | dacer: just 'mkswap /your/partition' |
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| 07:52.47 | peterS | dacer: no other parameters needed |
| 07:52.49 | k-dog | dacer: mkswap <partition-or-file> |
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| 07:53.23 | dacer | but I remember something about dd if=..... |
| 07:53.36 | peterS | dacer: if you want to use a swap *file*, as k-dog implies, you can mkswap that too. but you first have to create the file with the size you want. (simplest way is 'dd bs=1M count={n}' where {n} is a number of megabytes) |
| 07:53.39 | dacer | thisis for partition or for file-swaps? |
| 07:53.40 | welson | bbrazil, does a mount under root work for you? |
| 07:53.49 | dacer | I want a partition!!!! |
| 07:53.55 | bbrazil | welson: yip |
| 07:53.56 | peterS | dacer: a swap *partition* doesn't need 'dd' because it already has a known size |
| 07:54.01 | dacer | ok |
| 07:54.40 | peterS | dacer: it's just a swap *file* that needs to be filled with the amount of data corresponding to the size you want. and 'dd < /dev/zero' is a good way to do this quickly and accurately. |
| 07:54.51 | dacer | I know mkswap, but I was think that dd is necesary before. Now I know only is necesarie mkswap /dev/sda6 |
| 07:54.57 | peterS | right |
| 07:54.58 | dacer | ok, thanks |
| 07:55.28 | peterS | dacer: btw, I do recommend swap *files*. they're so much easier to manage than *partitions*, if you ever decide you want more swap or less swap |
| 07:55.45 | peterS | and they're pretty much just as fast, with modern kernels |
| 07:55.48 | bbrazil | welson: that is working for me by default as non-root. I was trying to mount onto a place I didn't have permission on earlier |
| 07:55.52 | welson | bbrazil, ok, I got it to work :) |
| 07:56.33 | dacer | Now I have 1Gb RAM, and setup 1Gb Swap file, I think that's enougth for me |
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| 07:57.08 | welson | bbrazil, where are you stuck? |
| 07:57.11 | phildo | heys - /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/doc doesnt exist, could someone search theirs for monitor sync ranges for me? |
| 07:57.22 | Guerin | phildo: hwinfo --monitor |
| 07:57.39 | phildo | =) *trys* |
| 07:57.43 | Guerin | hrm, beck's dark is unpleasant |
| 07:57.56 | spdf | Ugh. I can't stand it. |
| 07:58.00 | bob2 | s/dark/*/ |
| 07:58.14 | bbrazil | welson: I got it to work too |
| 07:58.16 | spdf | Beck's is hard to drink sometimes aswell... |
| 07:58.35 | bob2 | oh, the beer |
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| 07:58.57 | phildo | Guerin; outputs nothing.. |
| 07:59.19 | bbrazil | phildo: check the manual that came with your monitor |
| 07:59.20 | Guerin | phildo: nothing? |
| 07:59.34 | phildo | # hwinfo --monitor |
| 07:59.34 | phildo | # |
| 07:59.35 | phildo | :) |
| 07:59.37 | Guerin | nah, beck's is good |
| 07:59.53 | Guerin | but the dark stuff isn't |
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| 08:00.38 | spdf | If I'm only drinking Beck's, then I like it. Its when I start mixing with pilsners and crappy domestic that I start to notice how different it is.. |
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| 08:01.28 | spdf | I think it just has too much of a hops taste for me |
| 08:02.21 | liable | vb! |
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| 08:04.47 | peterS | phildo: try this: install 'read-edid'. then run 'get-edid | parse-edid' |
| 08:05.23 | peterS | I seem to remember that *some* monitors give out sync ranges in this info. mine doesn't seem to, just sends back a suggested modeline |
| 08:06.02 | phildo | found on viewsonic site - tis a new lcd ;) |
| 08:06.10 | peterS | ah, there you go then |
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| 08:09.05 | BladeRunner05 | I have installed mplayer, but when I run it it return this error: MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: ao2_init |
| 08:09.35 | peterS | BladeRunner05: signal 11 is a "seg fault", a common type of programming or hardware error |
| 08:09.44 | phildo | hrm - after inputting correct info to xf86config, i still get "screen(s) found but none have usable configuration" |
| 08:09.48 | pacman | ouch. try -ao null or -nosound, see if it works that way |
| 08:09.52 | ries | msg Nickserv |
| 08:09.58 | peterS | BladeRunner05: don't know what would cause this ao2_init function to crash in that way, offhand. I don't use mplayer |
| 08:10.31 | BladeRunner05 | peterS: can u suggest me another package like this |
| 08:11.04 | peterS | BladeRunner05: depends on what you need. 'totem-xine' is great if you only need to play back audio/video files in formats with free codecs available |
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| 08:11.40 | BladeRunner05 | pacman: -nosound works |
| 08:11.45 | peterS | phildo: xf86config? do you mean 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86'? |
| 08:12.04 | w3rdn4 | when I open up http://chishiki.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~maruyama/e-learning/Lecture1/default.htm it says I need internet explorer 5.0 how do I get past this so I can watch my video lectures from Japan? |
| 08:13.03 | peterS | w3rdn4: you can fake it by putting in an IE user agent string. http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/UserAgentString |
| 08:13.26 | peterS | w3rdn4: this may or may not work, of course |
| 08:13.43 | pacman | Blade, try "-ao help" to get a list of alternatives for the -ao option, maybe one of them will work |
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| 08:14.33 | mattfury | ? |
| 08:14.48 | mattfury | my internet is running very slowly. |
| 08:14.48 | VoltageX | problems: |
| 08:14.48 | VoltageX | E: Build-Depends dependency for php5 cannot be satisfied because the package libming-dev cannot be found |
| 08:14.49 | mattfury | o_0 |
| 08:15.02 | mattfury | 512/128 ... no downloads *_* |
| 08:15.06 | BladeRunner05 | Who knows if there is a gui for mplayer for gnome ? |
| 08:15.08 | mattfury | lag? |
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| 08:15.38 | spdf | BladeRunner05, gmplayer |
| 08:16.49 | mattfury | it seems like my http protocol is fucked. |
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| 08:17.05 | BladeRunner05 | spdf: apt-cache search gmplayer return no result |
| 08:17.26 | mattfury | apt-get install gmplayer |
| 08:17.40 | spdf | BladeRunner05, how about 'apt-cache search mplayer-gui'? |
| 08:19.26 | BladeRunner05 | spdf: kplayer - A KDE media player based on MPlayer but I use gnome |
| 08:19.50 | spdf | er.. mplayer-gui doesn't exist.. what the hell am I talking about.. |
| 08:20.21 | peterS | I thought gmplayer was shipped as part of the mplayer package |
| 08:20.27 | peterS | not that I have it installed, so I can't check |
| 08:20.29 | spdf | I think its just a link to mplayer |
| 08:20.42 | spdf | its installed with mplayer though, you're correct.. |
| 08:20.56 | spdf | Unless you install mplayer-nogui ofcourse.. |
| 08:22.07 | pacman | what they're trying to tell you is just type gmplayer at your prompt already. |
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| 08:23.01 | franklin | spdf, my gmplayer is part of mplayer-586 from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ |
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| 08:23.24 | spdf | Yeh, I dumbed down for a minute there.. my baddies.. |
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| 08:25.43 | Neverth | mplayer is nice, you can watch videos even in console |
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| 08:26.13 | spdf | The aa vo is good times.. :) |
| 08:26.25 | signius | Good Morning all |
| 08:26.25 | Neverth | aa? |
| 08:27.06 | spdf | Neverth, aalib, converts video to ascii.. |
| 08:27.08 | peterS | I assume by aa he means aalib which is the ascii art graphics output library used to render graphics as text |
| 08:27.21 | BladeRunner05 | Ok done |
| 08:27.27 | Neverth | spdf, o, I use fbdev2 so i get real image |
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| 08:27.34 | lsald | is that what you meant by video in the console? |
| 08:27.43 | Neverth | spdf, vlc is the one i use for ascii art |
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| 08:27.57 | spdf | That's what -i- meant, he meant by command line.. I think.. |
| 08:29.37 | BladeRunner05 | I get an error for font files |
| 08:29.40 | Neverth | -vo aa doesn't show colors.... |
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| 08:30.09 | spdf | Its not very useful. |
| 08:30.31 | pacman | there is a colorful counterpart to aalib... |
| 08:30.37 | Neverth | vlc shows colors in console |
| 08:30.51 | VoltageX | spdf, but everyone loves ascii art! |
| 08:31.27 | pacman | libcaca! that's it. |
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| 08:31.52 | phildo | fft :) |
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| 08:32.03 | w3rdn4 | is there quicktime for linux? |
| 08:32.19 | spdf | w3rdn4, mplayer works |
| 08:32.26 | phildo | w3rdn4 mplayer |
| 08:32.26 | Neverth | w3rdn4, you mean *.mov player? |
| 08:32.34 | w3rdn4 | what about for websites |
| 08:32.47 | spdf | w3rdn4, mplayer mozilla plugin perhaps.. |
| 08:32.51 | w3rdn4 | http://www-g.eng.cam.ac.uk/cnt/movies/movies.htm |
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| 08:33.01 | mattfury | i have a problem. |
| 08:33.05 | mattfury | (yeah another) |
| 08:33.07 | streuner | w3rdn4: as long as the codec supports it... |
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| 08:33.08 | spdf | Painful urination? |
| 08:33.15 | phildo | ;) |
| 08:33.22 | mattfury | not exactly ... =P |
| 08:33.26 | streuner | w3rdn4: not *every* codec is supported |
| 08:33.41 | mattfury | whats the command to create a folder? |
| 08:33.46 | phildo | mkdir |
| 08:33.47 | spdf | mattfury, mkdir |
| 08:33.50 | mattfury | :) |
| 08:33.55 | sime_ | synaptic is telling me that packages from ftp.debian.org cannot be authenticated |
| 08:34.01 | phildo | mattfury; folder is a windows thing - directory is the real term ;) |
| 08:34.40 | pacman | a "folder" is a file full of mail messages (a.k.a. an mbox) |
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| 08:34.51 | mattfury | i know, i've brought my stinky noobiness along with me :( |
| 08:35.09 | peterS | well, mac people were saying 'folder' before windows people existed |
| 08:35.15 | mattfury | so how do i copy 1 dir to another? |
| 08:35.27 | lsald | peterS, yes we were |
| 08:35.29 | phildo | mattfury, man cp |
| 08:35.31 | peterS | 'cp -r' or 'cp -a' |
| 08:35.40 | mattfury | o_0 |
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| 08:36.39 | signius | Good Morning all |
| 08:37.04 | Neverth | is the morning good? |
| 08:37.16 | phildo | not where i come from :| |
| 08:37.31 | lsald | mine is delayed |
| 08:37.52 | lsald | dst has me all screwed |
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| 08:37.59 | peterS | my morning was delayed, but now we've moved on |
| 08:38.12 | peterS | my 1:00 -> 2:00 already went by twice, now we're back to linear time |
| 08:38.34 | VoltageX | peterS: australia? |
| 08:38.43 | peterS | VoltageX: no, north america |
| 08:38.56 | w3rdn4 | delay? |
| 08:39.06 | w3rdn4 | what areyou talking about delay? |
| 08:39.07 | VoltageX | peterS: we've just gone DST too |
| 08:39.14 | peterS | w3rdn4: today is 25 hours long, thanks to the end of daylight saving time |
| 08:39.27 | w3rdn4 | the end? |
| 08:39.29 | peterS | w3rdn4: so morning is coming an hour later than usual |
| 08:39.40 | w3rdn4 | so today was 25 hours long |
| 08:39.45 | w3rdn4 | the longest day of our lifeS? |
| 08:40.03 | peterS | well, there's a 25-hour day every year |
| 08:40.10 | peterS | so I don't know that it's the longest of my life.. |
| 08:40.14 | mattfury | debian:/usr/java# rename java jre1.5.0 |
| 08:40.15 | mattfury | Bareword "java" not allowed while "strict subs" in use at (eval 1) line 1. |
| 08:40.15 | mattfury | debian:/usr/java# |
| 08:40.23 | mattfury | why wont it work? |
| 08:40.25 | peterS | mattfury: 'rename' does not work that way. use 'mv' |
| 08:40.33 | mattfury | ok |
| 08:40.35 | pacman | haha! because rename is a more sophisticated tool than you give it credit for |
| 08:40.51 | w3rdn4 | hmm |
| 08:40.52 | peterS | mattfury: rename is a fancier program that renames whole batches of files based on patterns you specify |
| 08:40.57 | w3rdn4 | so what time is it? |
| 08:41.04 | w3rdn4 | GMT -6 |
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| 08:41.09 | peterS | w3rdn4: 2:41:08 -0600 |
| 08:41.12 | mattfury | peterS, sounds 'dandy' |
| 08:41.23 | Neverth | time to watch tv |
| 08:41.32 | peterS | w3rdn4: note that -0600 was -0500 a couple hours ago. which geographical time zone are you in? |
| 08:41.39 | _SerhaT_ | so checking above you guys recommend mplayer as media player as it can play quicktime and many more? I need a media plauer and wanted to ask first heh |
| 08:41.59 | w3rdn4 | -6000 |
| 08:42.02 | w3rdn4 | -0600 |
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| 08:42.17 | w3rdn4 | CST time |
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| 08:42.31 | peterS | mattfury: well, to use 'rename' you have to understand a bit of syntax from the Perl programming language, since that's what it uses. it's pretty cool if you do know perl, it's not very cool if you don't (: |
| 08:42.46 | Neverth | _SerhaT_, mplayer and vlc are the ones i like most |
| 08:42.54 | peterS | w3rdn4: yeah, it's 2:42:53 then |
| 08:43.04 | _SerhaT_ | thought about vlc also.. |
| 08:43.10 | mattfury | DOS Boy here <-- lol |
| 08:43.16 | _SerhaT_ | not sure what dvd/svcd support is like on both.. any good? |
| 08:43.27 | w3rdn4 | haha |
| 08:43.28 | w3rdn4 | good night |
| 08:43.37 | peterS | w3rdn4: good plan, I should do the same. (I'm in your timezone) |
| 08:43.50 | w3rdn4 | my alarm clock reads 4:52am |
| 08:43.51 | peterS | w3rdn4: first I have to reset all my clocks though (: |
| 08:43.53 | w3rdn4 | LOL |
| 08:44.12 | peterS | yeah, you're way off, 2 hours and 8 minutes |
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| 08:44.32 | w3rdn4 | good night peterS |
| 08:44.41 | peterS | yeah, if your alarm clock goes off 2 hours early, I'm sure you'll appreciate that |
| 08:44.49 | Neverth | _SerhaT_, vlc supports dvds and oter stuff fine enough |
| 08:45.06 | marthijn | hi all, I'm trying to make my Windows partition writable, because it's only readable now - I have this in fstab -> /dev/hdb1 /media/WindowsC vfat rw,user,auto 0 0 |
| 08:45.32 | Neverth | yay, fat |
| 08:45.32 | peterS | marthijn: user,auto is almost never what you actually want |
| 08:45.41 | peterS | marthijn: do you want this partition to be mounted automatically at boot time, or mountable on demand by individual users? |
| 08:46.03 | _SerhaT_ | Neverth: I can't find a package for mplayer/gmplayer.. in testing.. I am searching wrong also I guess |
| 08:46.05 | marthijn | when I double click the WindowC icon of Nautilus |
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| 08:46.29 | peterS | marthijn: I think you want "user,noauto" instead of "user,auto", I think nautilus will mount it for you in that case |
| 08:46.30 | marthijn | but the problem is that I can't delete files |
| 08:46.40 | Neverth | _SerhaT_, try adding sarge packages from #deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main |
| 08:46.57 | phildo | hrm - how would i configure a usb mouse? |
| 08:47.01 | peterS | marthijn: but it may be that you want to omit "user,auto" entirely, and instead use "umask=0" |
| 08:47.01 | signius | Does anyone here use a Prism 2.5 Chipset based wireless nic i have tried to set mine up witht he utility in gnome but it just keeps hanging |
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| 08:47.09 | peterS | phildo: kernel 2.4 or kernel 2.6? |
| 08:47.18 | phildo | 2.2 :> |
| 08:47.29 | peterS | phildo: I forget what is needed in kernel 2.2, so you're on your own |
| 08:47.34 | phildo | ;) |
| 08:47.35 | Neverth | o theres etch too |
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| 08:47.43 | phildo | ok. |
| 08:47.53 | phildo | how about kernel upgrade walkthroughs? |
| 08:48.17 | peterS | phildo: "apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6" will print a list of packages. install the one that seems to match your hardware best |
| 08:48.26 | mattfury | how about a decent flgrx walkthrough? |
| 08:48.34 | phildo | wow - apt does it all for you? |
| 08:48.34 | mattfury | i dont seem to be able to grasp it. |
| 08:48.49 | signius | I just bought myself a fantastic new senao wireless nic but i am having a horrid time trying to get it working with hostap drivers i had it working previously with orinoco drivers but i really want to use the hostap-utils |
| 08:48.51 | peterS | phildo: well, if you're actually using a woody kernel 2.2, you're probably also using lilo, which is not always completely automatic in terms of kernel upgrades and setup |
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| 08:49.26 | marthijn | peterS: I think the files are readable, but they are chowned by root.root |
| 08:49.28 | peterS | phildo: so I suggest also 'apt-get install grub lilo-' to install grub in place of lilo. *then* upgrade your kernel by installing a new kernel-image-2.6.8-1-686 or whatever |
| 08:49.45 | phildo | no worries ;) thanks. |
| 08:49.50 | marthijn | peterS: that could be fixed by chaning auto to noauto? |
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| 08:50.31 | peterS | marthijn: correct. there are a couple ways to fix this. you might want to just add "umask=0" to the fstab line |
| 08:50.48 | marthijn | peterS: thanks, I'll do that |
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| 08:51.00 | peterS | marthijn: auto -> noauto changes how the filesystem is mounted - it is done explicitly when a user asks for it, rather than at boot time. a side effect of that is that the user who asks for it is given write permission to it |
| 08:51.21 | peterS | marthijn: probably simplest to remove both "user,auto" and put "umask=0" in its place |
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| 08:51.36 | peterS | marthijn: then to make this take effect: umount /media/WindowsC; mount /media/WindowsC |
| 08:52.17 | phildo | gah - booting into x, with no kb/mouse ;) |
| 08:52.35 | marthijn | peterS: thanks! |
| 08:52.38 | marthijn | peterS: it's working |
| 08:52.47 | peterS | marthijn: cool |
| 08:53.07 | peterS | phildo: I seem to recall that if your motherboard can do USB keyboard/mouse emulation, a 2.2 kernel will accept this and actually believe you have a PS/2 mouse instead of USB |
| 08:53.30 | peterS | phildo: this is typically a BIOS setup option |
| 08:53.52 | mattfury | peterS, seems 'believable' =P |
| 08:53.57 | phildo | ah ok.. i'll have a look. |
| 08:54.13 | peterS | phildo: well, upgrading to a kernel newer than 4 years old wouldn't be such a bad idea in any case |
| 08:54.20 | phildo | for sure :) |
| 08:54.22 | mattfury | back to downloading quake4 :)) |
| 08:54.37 | peterS | phildo: what sort of hardware you got there? |
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| 08:55.08 | phildo | peterS; ga-ipe1000 motherboard, p4-2.26, ddr ram, intellimouse explorer |
| 08:55.37 | peterS | phildo: oh, so plenty beefy enough to run a 2.6 kernel without problems. I figured if you had installed this thing awhile back it might be an old machine |
| 08:55.58 | peterS | and indeed some people might consider those specs "old", but not the way I was thinking (: |
| 08:56.05 | phildo | nah, just dug up an OLD cd ;) |
| 08:56.18 | Tallia1-KubuntuB | hi guys |
| 08:56.21 | mattfury | xD |
| 08:56.26 | phildo | figured upgrading it would be a good experience. |
| 08:56.29 | Tallia1-KubuntuB | i need a fast definition of open/closed hasing |
| 08:56.34 | peterS | phildo: so anyway. have you upgraded to sarge, or is the machine still running woody? |
| 08:56.35 | Tallia1-KubuntuB | i have a wor with a my professor |
| 08:56.39 | Tallia1-KubuntuB | war |
| 08:56.52 | mattfury | why? |
| 08:56.53 | phildo | peterS; sarge cd |
| 08:56.54 | peterS | Tallia1-KubuntuB: "hasing"? |
| 08:56.54 | phildo | in fact |
| 08:56.58 | phildo | i think its only a few weeks old. |
| 08:56.59 | Tallia1-KubuntuB | hashing |
| 08:57.03 | peterS | phildo: I didn't think the sarge CDs shipped with 2.2 kernels |
| 08:57.13 | peterS | phildo: so are you sure that is what you have? run 'uname -r' |
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| 08:57.43 | phildo | waiting for fsck.. had to hard-reset because x didnt think i had a keyboard. |
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| 08:58.11 | phildo | hope it doesnt boot straight in again .. |
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| 08:58.29 | phildo | boot: linux single <-- correct? |
| 08:58.35 | peterS | should work |
| 08:58.40 | phildo | cool. |
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| 08:58.56 | mattfury | like a real geek would. |
| 08:59.03 | peterS | phildo: so I guess the keyboard is also USB? |
| 08:59.07 | mattfury | im downloading christmas presents ;) |
| 08:59.08 | phildo | no - ps2. |
| 08:59.15 | phildo | actually, AT style, adapted to ps2. |
| 08:59.19 | peterS | I wonder why X didn't recognise it then |
| 08:59.24 | mattfury | lol |
| 08:59.39 | mattfury | be honest ... is it serial ...? |
| 08:59.51 | phildo | uname -r |
| 08:59.56 | phildo | 2.2.20-idepci |
| 08:59.57 | mattfury | or x3270 |
| 08:59.58 | bbrazil | there's somthing about 2.6(vanilla) and not enabling PS/2 keyboards by default |
| 09:00.06 | peterS | phildo: yeah that's woody |
| 09:00.10 | phildo | hrm. |
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| 09:00.17 | peterS | phildo: the infamous idepci kernel. what does 'dpkg -l libc6' say? |
| 09:00.54 | phildo | version... 2.3.2.ds1-22 |
| 09:01.06 | peterS | right, so that's sarge. I wonder where you got the 2.2.20-idepci kernel |
| 09:01.09 | mattfury | how do i execute a "deb" file??? |
| 09:01.14 | peterS | (woody libc6 is version 2.2.5 or so) |
| 09:01.15 | mattfury | sh name.deb? |
| 09:01.18 | dorto | what should i apt-get if i only want the subversion client and not the server? |
| 09:01.18 | spdf | mattfury, you don't. |
| 09:01.24 | bbrazil | mattfury: what are you trying to do? |
| 09:01.25 | peterS | mattfury: you don't execute it, you install it. dpkg -i filename.deb |
| 09:01.33 | phildo | right ;) so cd's correctly labeled. |
| 09:01.35 | mattfury | ok |
| 09:01.46 | peterS | dorto: 'subversion', which pulls in a couple of other packages |
| 09:01.53 | dorto | k |
| 09:02.11 | peterS | dorto: there are two servers - 'svnserve', which you don't have to enable, and the apache2 module, which is a separate package |
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| 09:02.28 | dorto | alright |
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| 09:02.43 | mattfury | :) i now have fglrx drivers. |
| 09:02.48 | peterS | phildo: so anyway. 'dpkg -l lilo grub' - which of the two do you have installed? |
| 09:02.54 | mattfury | http://www.stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-fglrx-xfree86/index.html |
| 09:03.06 | phildo | both now |
| 09:03.09 | phildo | should i remove lilo |
| 09:03.09 | phildo | ? |
| 09:03.14 | peterS | phildo: yeah, you only want grub |
| 09:03.20 | phildo | so apt-get remove? |
| 09:03.24 | peterS | right |
| 09:03.38 | phildo | done. |
| 09:03.42 | phildo | any configuration of grub needed? |
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| 09:04.04 | mattfury | anyone else with an ATI card??? |
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| 09:04.08 | peterS | phildo: well, you may need to run 'grub-install /dev/hda' |
| 09:04.18 | peterS | phildo: since removing lilo *might* have screwed up the boot block |
| 09:04.24 | phildo | ok, doing now. |
| 09:04.35 | peterS | it'll print a little device map about (hd0) being hda, etc. |
| 09:04.38 | jimi_ | is there a way to defragment my fat32 partition from within debian? |
| 09:04.50 | mattfury | lilo screws up? |
| 09:04.59 | concept10 | what is the name of the package that automatically syncs time on your server? |
| 09:05.12 | bbrazil | concept10: ntpdate, chrony |
| 09:05.21 | peterS | mattfury: lilo and grub might both be writing to the boot block of your disk. if you remove lilo it'll try to restore the boot block that was there before it was installed. that's probably not the same as the one grub tried to write |
| 09:05.28 | concept10 | bbrazil, thanks |
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| 09:05.29 | mattfury | jimi_, you could download wine. copy defrag.exe off a windows partition do it like that? |
| 09:05.29 | phildo | woah, big modprobe spew : cant locate module block-major-??? |
| 09:05.38 | phildo | lots of floppy I/O errors aswell.. |
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| 09:06.01 | peterS | phildo: oh, you can ignore all that, I think. grub might be flailing around looking for valid boot devices |
| 09:06.08 | phildo | ok :) |
| 09:06.14 | jb__ | who knows yb |
| 09:06.23 | mattfury | peterS, to restart my video card ctrl+alt+backspace? |
| 09:06.26 | jb__ | i'm his sister |
| 09:06.26 | mattfury | to restart x |
| 09:06.38 | peterS | mattfury: that restarts X, yes |
| 09:06.38 | jimi_ | mattfury: or use cedega i guess, however i think it is a bit risky defraging under emulation - i have a lot of data on the disk |
| 09:06.44 | mattfury | hence restarting x processing ? |
| 09:06.46 | peterS | mattfury: actually it kills X, and someone else automatically restarts it, often |
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| 09:07.23 | mattfury | peterS, will it restart the 'graphics' drivers? |
| 09:07.25 | phildo | hrm. maybe the floppy errors are because i have a floppy drive defined in the bios but none plugged in.. must fix that ;) |
| 09:07.29 | mattfury | or do i need to reboot? |
| 09:07.35 | peterS | mattfury: yep, those are part of the X server |
| 09:07.47 | peterS | phildo: ah, heh. |
| 09:07.50 | mattfury | so kill x = reboot video |
| 09:07.57 | mattfury | brb |
| 09:08.02 | peterS | mattfury: 'reboot' is a poor choice of word, but basically you have the right idea |
| 09:08.12 | deepan | is there a web based interface for irc ? some one answer me please.. its urgent.. my network admin is going to block all ports except 80... |
| 09:08.25 | bbrazil | deepan: cgi::irc |
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| 09:08.37 | bbrazil | deepan: you can also tunnel tcp over http |
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| 09:08.57 | deepan | i am asking if something like meebo is there for irc |
| 09:08.59 | mattfury | ok, how do i get tuxracer??? |
| 09:09.08 | peterS | mattfury: it's a package, just install it |
| 09:09.10 | mattfury | apt-get install tuxracer? |
| 09:09.19 | peterS | mattfury: learn to use 'apt-cache search' (: |
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| 09:09.29 | mattfury | ok |
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| 09:10.15 | peterS | phildo: did grub-install ever finish successfully? |
| 09:10.32 | phildo | nah, i stupidly rebooted to make it stop with the floppy stuff. |
| 09:10.38 | jimi_ | so no-one knows of any native linux defrag tool for vfat / fat32 volumes? |
| 09:10.39 | peterS | ah, heh |
| 09:10.40 | phildo | but lilo still seemed alive.. |
| 09:10.43 | phildo | and booted for me :) |
| 09:10.48 | peterS | oh, nice |
| 09:10.49 | phildo | so trying again now. |
| 09:10.49 | mattfury | lol |
| 09:11.12 | mattfury | heh i love that word 'seemed to be alive' |
| 09:11.18 | peterS | jimi_: there is 'dosfsck' from dosfstools but that doesn't actually defrag, just repairs |
| 09:11.18 | mattfury | fragment* |
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| 09:11.27 | phildo | heh |
| 09:11.52 | phildo | ok, grub install outputted (fd0) /dev/fd0 and (hd0) /dev/hda |
| 09:11.59 | phildo | do i need to run anything to put it in place now? |
| 09:12.15 | peterS | phildo: sounds good then. should just be a matter of installing kernel-image-2.6.8-1-686 |
| 09:12.28 | phildo | neat, i'll reboot to check grub is alive :) |
| 09:12.39 | peterS | phildo: don't yet |
| 09:12.46 | phildo | damnit. |
| 09:12.51 | peterS | phildo: I'm not sure if the 2.2 kernel will have been inserted into grub's config automatically |
| 09:13.16 | mattfury | the resolution is all screwed up o_0 |
| 09:13.18 | phildo | it hasnt. |
| 09:13.25 | phildo | grub> prompt |
| 09:13.42 | peterS | so, you can boot it anyway, if you know the right incantation at the grub prompt. let me see if I can help with that...... |
| 09:14.29 | peterS | phildo: do you know what your disk partitioning scheme looks like? like did you create multiple partitions or just one? |
| 09:14.32 | _SerhaT_ | question .. when I go out of xorg (as in shutting down or closing gdm down etc) I see nothing on my screen.. but it does work.. the weird thing is.. I had it attached to one of those projectors and weird enough I could see the screen there.. any idea's? |
| 09:14.47 | phildo | peterS; multiple. /dev/hda1 is / |
| 09:14.57 | peterS | phildo: do you have a separate /boot partition? |
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| 09:15.02 | phildo | no. /boot is in / |
| 09:15.17 | peterS | phildo: ok then. I think something like: |
| 09:15.18 | peterS | grub> root (hd0,0) |
| 09:15.24 | mjk64 | Stupid question: How can I set-up exim4? I know the Debian Installer offered that (and I answered "no conf. at this time"), but dpkg-reconfigure exim4 just returns to the prompt, so it must be done using the installer - but I do I run it again on the running system? |
| 09:15.30 | peterS | grub> kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.20-idepci root=/dev/hda1 ro |
| 09:15.36 | peterS | grub> boot |
| 09:16.09 | phildo | looks good |
| 09:16.14 | ssb | mjk64, dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 09:16.17 | phildo | problem.. might go into x though. |
| 09:16.29 | peterS | phildo: oh yeah, add "single" to the end of the kernel line then, if it does |
| 09:16.34 | mjk64 | ssb: Oh! Ah! *testing* ... works! |
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| 09:16.52 | mjk64 | ssb: Thx! |
| 09:16.56 | ssb | np :] |
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| 09:17.32 | clinfix | can I remove packages with its dependencies,is it possible? |
| 09:17.50 | peterS | clinfix: 'aptitude remove' will do so, if you used 'aptitude install' to install the package in the first place |
| 09:18.12 | peterS | clinfix: if you did not, the information about the dependencies is not recorded in sufficient detail to do this properly |
| 09:18.37 | phildo | # |
| 09:19.03 | peterS | phildo: so you're at a root prompt? |
| 09:19.23 | phildo | yep. |
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| 09:19.40 | phildo | looking through kernels now. |
| 09:19.51 | peterS | phildo: right, I think you probably want 2.6.8-1-686 |
| 09:20.17 | phildo | 2.6.8-2-686? :) |
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| 09:20.35 | mattfury | does anyone have a version of linux quake3? |
| 09:20.36 | peterS | phildo: well, whatever sarge has. I clearly do not remember (: |
| 09:20.52 | phildo | sucking down now :P |
| 09:21.03 | mattfury | quake3 for linux? |
| 09:21.22 | phildo | mattfury; bah, what ever happened to qwdm. |
| 09:21.24 | timo | mattfury, yes |
| 09:21.27 | mattfury | i have source here. |
| 09:21.39 | mattfury | trying to run demo from wine lol. |
| 09:21.41 | bbrazil | mattfury: I think it works. quake 2(sans media) should be in debian |
| 09:22.06 | mattfury | have a link? |
| 09:22.24 | SimonRaven | what's the difference between strlcpy and strcpy? i suspect the first has to do with 'long', but i'd like a confirm or deny |
| 09:22.50 | mattfury | denied denyation. |
| 09:22.51 | Neverth | dpkg: error processing debconf (--configure): |
| 09:22.52 | Neverth | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:22.54 | Neverth | yay |
| 09:22.55 | peterS | SimonRaven: deny. strlcpy lets you specify the size of the target buffer |
| 09:22.56 | mattfury | =P .. i dont know |
| 09:23.02 | peterS | SimonRaven: "l" == "with a specified length" |
| 09:23.08 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 09:23.19 | peterS | SimonRaven: it's a slight variation on 'strncpy' which is in the standard C library |
| 09:23.35 | Neverth | help? |
| 09:23.48 | SimonRaven | thanks |
| 09:24.19 | mattfury | is cedega any quicker than wine? |
| 09:24.21 | timo | mattfury, http://www.idsoftware.com/games/quake/quake3-arena/index.php?game_section=updates |
| 09:24.36 | phildo | lol - bzip2 comes down as depend for the new kernel ;) |
| 09:24.41 | mattfury | omg omg omg! :D |
| 09:25.25 | mattfury | timo, is this just a demo or the full thing? |
| 09:25.31 | peterS | phildo: heh, it's ok, you'll want bzip2 sooner or later anyway (: |
| 09:25.38 | phildo | absolutely |
| 09:25.46 | phildo | god, how did we ever manage with 56k. |
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| 09:25.56 | peterS | we had smaller kernels back then |
| 09:25.56 | timo | mattfury, I believe you need some cash to get the full thing. those are just the linux binaries |
| 09:26.20 | SimonRaven | peterS: ok, so is "strlcpy(sunsock.sun_path, output_socket, sizeof(sunsock.sun_path));" safer than "strcpy(sunsock.sun_path, output_socket);" in terms of helping to prevent buffer issues? |
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| 09:26.29 | phildo | hehe |
| 09:26.34 | mattfury | timo, I have the windows source i think. |
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| 09:26.46 | mattfury | im not even sure why i have it o_* |
| 09:26.49 | laurens_ | hello |
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| 09:27.04 | peterS | SimonRaven: yes. well, with the caveat that I haven't looked up the socket member sun_path to see if it's a fixed-size array. but I think it is. |
| 09:27.12 | laurens_ | god wants you to have it mattfury |
| 09:27.18 | phildo | ;) |
| 09:27.21 | timo | mattfury, if you have the full Windows version of the game, you can run it on Linux with that update |
| 09:27.22 | SimonRaven | i think it is, i'll check |
| 09:27.31 | laurens_ | hey, we've used it for solving stuff we dont understand in physics, biology and chemistry already |
| 09:27.33 | peterS | SimonRaven: if it's just a pointer, sizeof() is completely wrong |
| 09:27.36 | laurens_ | why not use it for computers too :P |
| 09:27.59 | mattfury | laurens_, do i know you? |
| 09:28.00 | peterS | SimonRaven: fortunately, though, in the latter case it will fail in an obvious manner, since it will only copy 4 bytes of the socket address, which is not nearly enough (: |
| 09:28.12 | SimonRaven | hold on, i'll paste bin it |
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| 09:28.21 | mattfury | timo, i indeed do :D |
| 09:28.37 | laurens_ | mattfury: not afaik :-) |
| 09:29.05 | peterS | SimonRaven: ahhh, 'man 7 unix' confirms that the sun_path member is a fixed-length array. so the strlcpy statement looks correct. |
| 09:29.11 | mattfury | well im not religious, or on crack, speed or heroin. |
| 09:29.17 | laurens_ | neither am i :P |
| 09:29.24 | laurens_ | I'm just ranting on intelligent $foo |
| 09:29.28 | SimonRaven | peterS: cool, i thought so. something told me it was |
| 09:29.31 | laurens_ | where foo can be anything from design to falling |
| 09:30.03 | SimonRaven | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1006 |
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| 09:30.44 | mjk64 | laurens_: :-) |
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| 09:30.45 | laurens_ | ouch. |
| 09:30.46 | peterS | SimonRaven: is that a reverse diff? |
| 09:30.57 | peterS | SimonRaven: it changes strlcpy to strcpy, you probably meant the opposite |
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| 09:31.17 | SimonRaven | peterS: no, for some reason the upstream still has a fubar strcpy there... |
| 09:31.37 | SimonRaven | my copy has the l version |
| 09:31.52 | peterS | SimonRaven: ok so it *is* a reverse diff (new->old, rather than old->new). it looks good to me. |
| 09:32.00 | mattfury | either laurens_ is looking for help or either a super depressant geeky/nerd or something 0_o |
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| 09:32.49 | JoshTriplett | What can I use as the hard-disk equivalent of "top"? |
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| 09:33.04 | bbrazil | JoshTriplett: dtrace :), iostat, dstat |
| 09:33.23 | peterS | SimonRaven: strcpy is only safe if you can be sure the string 'output_socket' is some limited size. it's usually best not to rely on this (: |
| 09:33.54 | SimonRaven | yeh. easy buffer overflows. this is IMAP, so i wouldn't count on it being fixed ;) |
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| 09:35.36 | peterS | heh |
| 09:36.19 | mattfury | my cd-rom laser must have a crystal in it. |
| 09:36.19 | peterS | though it might be perfectly safe, if output_socket is a string constructed by the app without influence from any user data |
| 09:36.39 | JoshTriplett | bbrazil: Loking into iostat and dstat now. Thanks. |
| 09:36.42 | mattfury | because i copied a cd at home now. and this cd wont ever copy at school o_o |
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| 09:36.51 | mattfury | (quake3) for fun times. |
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| 09:38.04 | peterS | phildo: is your kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 installed? when it is, you should check /boot/grub/menu.lst to verify that there is an entry near the bottom of the file corresponding to the 2.6.8 kernel |
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| 09:38.51 | peterS | phildo: in fact, you can use that entry as a model for a 2.2.20-idepci entry, if you wish. put the latter outside the DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST comments, and omit the 'initrd' line from the 2.2.20-idepci entry, since that kernel doesn't use an initrd |
| 09:39.05 | phildo | peterS good timing, it just complained about lilo needing extra configuring.. |
| 09:39.10 | phildo | i'll check grub before a restart though. |
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| 09:39.22 | peterS | phildo: lilo? you removed lilo. it should be smart enough not to bug you about it. |
| 09:39.35 | peterS | oh well, maybe it detects that you still have a /etc/lilo.conf and then just assumes things |
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| 09:40.10 | phildo | ooo. menu.lst doesnt exist |
| 09:40.18 | Nick_Hill | !kernel |
| 09:40.20 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.14, snapshot: 2.6.14-git1, 2.4: 2.4.31, prepatch: 2.4.32-rc1, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.14-rc5-mm1 |
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| 09:41.01 | mattfury | dpkg, ban xxxpixie |
| 09:41.04 | peterS | phildo: that's a bit strange. try 'dpkg --purge lilo' and double-check that /etc/lilo.conf is gone, then try 'dpkg-reconfigure grub' |
| 09:41.13 | phildo | ok :) |
| 09:41.33 | xxxpixie | hi! why does libsdl-mixer1.2 not install a 'libSDL_mixer-1.2.so' symlink? |
| 09:41.47 | peterS | xxxpixie: .so symlinks are normally in *-dev packages |
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| 09:42.03 | peterS | xxxpixie: you only need them when you're *compiling* something else that uses the library. that's what -dev packages are used for. |
| 09:42.10 | phildo | peterS, ok no more lilo, but there is still no menu.lst.. |
| 09:42.26 | peterS | phildo: try 'dpkg-reconfigure kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686' |
| 09:42.36 | dondelelcaro | !force-confmiss |
| 09:42.41 | peterS | phildo: it might create menu.lst. I am not entirely clear on the circumstances surrounding the management of that file |
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| 09:42.43 | xxxpixie | peterS: oh... should've thought of that :) thanx |
| 09:42.58 | phildo | hrm :) |
| 09:43.01 | dondelelcaro | !confmiss |
| 09:43.02 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 09:43.02 | phildo | maybe another grub-install. |
| 09:43.06 | dondelelcaro | phildo: see above. |
| 09:43.27 | phildo | ahhh |
| 09:43.35 | peterS | dondelelcaro: menu.lst is not a conffile though |
| 09:43.43 | phildo | true also. |
| 09:43.44 | dondelelcaro | actually, nevermind. I'm thinking of something else; since I'm not sure that menu.lst is a conffile. |
| 09:43.56 | Guerin | menu.lst is created by uptate-grub |
| 09:43.59 | peterS | dondelelcaro: it had better not be a conffile since programs modify it automatically (: |
| 09:44.03 | xaiki | oh j'ai rippe |
| 09:44.09 | phildo | update-grub hasnt been run, *does* |
| 09:44.16 | dondelelcaro | peterS: it can still be a conffile and be modified automatically. |
| 09:44.20 | Nick_Hill | Assuming I am running sarge, with sources.list entries fro unstable, what should I get with 'apt-get source ' to download the most recent unstable kernel source? |
| 09:44.37 | peterS | dondelelcaro: well, in that case, every time you upgraded grub, dpkg would prompt you about the conffile. that would be pretty annoying |
| 09:44.39 | dondelelcaro | peterS: it just has to still follow policy even if it does that. |
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| 09:45.15 | peterS | ...anyway, it's not a conffile, the only menu.lst known to dpkg is the one in /usr/share/doc/grub/examples |
| 09:45.18 | mattfury | what?! i thought cedega was fucking free...! |
| 09:45.59 | mattfury | ohhh |
| 09:46.10 | peterS | wtf kind of DNS name is 42.org? that's just wrong. |
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| 09:46.46 | brosioz | anyone have try nvidia-kernel-source 7676 driver for nvidia ? |
| 09:47.15 | phildo | peterS, grub is happy with the new kernel now.. what did you say earlier about the initrd? |
| 09:47.50 | peterS | phildo: if you wish to add 2.2.20-idepci to menu.lst so you can boot it more easily in case of trouble with 2.6, you can do so. copy the 2.6.8 section but omit the initrd line for 2.2.20, as it doesn't use one |
| 09:47.51 | mattfury | hey peterS -> is cedega free? |
| 09:47.59 | peterS | mattfury: I have no idea, I don't use wine or cedega |
| 09:48.05 | mattfury | ok |
| 09:48.09 | mattfury | ._. |
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| 09:48.23 | peterS | phildo: put the 2.2.20 section outside the DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST section though |
| 09:48.25 | Groudly`` | my hosts.allow and hosts.deny are being ignored. is there something i need to check? |
| 09:48.43 | mattfury | automagic? |
| 09:48.58 | phildo | peterS, 2.2.20 entries are already there. |
| 09:49.17 | peterS | phildo: oh, cool, so update-grub *did* pick up the 2.2.20, I wasn't sure it would |
| 09:49.41 | mattfury | does anyone know how to get xmms's sound bar working properly? |
| 09:49.49 | peterS | mattfury: see /boot/grub/menu.lst for comments that mention DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST |
| 09:50.11 | phildo | cool :) |
| 09:50.20 | phildo | where would xfree be being called from on boot? |
| 09:50.33 | phildo | is that gdm or something? |
| 09:50.33 | mattfury | anyone at all? |
| 09:50.41 | peterS | phildo: /etc/rc2.d/S...dm |
| 09:50.50 | phildo | ta ;) |
| 09:50.55 | mattfury | i have raw techno going @ 100% on 20 - 40db |
| 09:50.56 | phildo | <- coming from fbsd actually :) |
| 09:50.59 | peterS | phildo: xdm or gdm or kdm or wdm, depends on what you have installed. you can just remove that symlink, for now |
| 09:51.06 | mattfury | :)) |
| 09:51.08 | phildo | ok. |
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| 09:52.20 | mattfury | thats what i forgot to do, set my background :)) |
| 09:52.41 | phildo | mattfury, most important part. |
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| 09:52.59 | phildo | peterS; so new kernel is as easy as that? |
| 09:53.04 | peterS | phildo: it really should be |
| 09:53.20 | peterS | phildo: of course there are things that can go wrong, like if 'mkinitrd' messes up, which it does in certain complex situations |
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| 09:54.28 | phildo | hrm. weird - when i run 'w' it says "Unknown HZ value! (74) Assume 100." |
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| 09:54.57 | peterS | phildo: 74 Hz? I am guessing modern tools make assumptions about kernel interfaces which are not true with ancient (2.2.20) kernels |
| 09:55.15 | peterS | phildo: I am quite certain 2.2.20 uses a 100 Hz timer tick |
| 09:55.20 | phildo | hm ok :) |
| 09:55.21 | phildo | ! |
| 09:55.29 | phildo | no network interface! :P |
| 09:55.38 | peterS | except on the alpha CPU, where for historical reasons it uses 1024 Hz |
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| 09:55.50 | phildo | interesting :) |
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| 09:56.10 | peterS | 2.6 kernels use 1000 Hz everywhere, by default, I believe |
| 09:56.39 | silverwolf | 250hz is the default |
| 09:56.51 | row | Hi there, I have apache 1.3 installed with debian package, and when I do dist-upgrade it trys and upgrades 1.3 and install apache2 is this is a know problem and how an I stop it? |
| 09:56.56 | fantomas | Hi. I installed ntpdate and it runs fine but since uptime of my computer could be weeks while harware clock just sucks I think I need to launch ntpdate not only on reboots. In other words how to run it periodically, simple cron task? |
| 09:56.58 | peterS | oh, is it? that should be plenty fast enough for most uses, I imagine |
| 09:57.16 | cahoot | fantomas: use chrony |
| 09:57.36 | peterS | fantomas: yeah, simple cron job works fine |
| 09:57.51 | fantomas | cahoot, peterS: thanks |
| 09:57.53 | nathan_ | does anyone happen to have the tar of 'themes pot' for gdancer i could steal :) |
| 09:58.15 | peterS | fantomas: you can run it every 30 minutes with "*/2 * * * * ntpdate pool.ntp.org" or similar |
| 09:58.37 | peterS | wait, that's every 30 *seconds*, you want "0,30 * * * *" |
| 09:58.38 | fantomas | peterS: */2 is once per 2 minutes |
| 09:58.44 | fantomas | :) |
| 09:58.50 | peterS | oh, is that it? I always get that syntax wrong |
| 09:59.00 | bbrazil | peterS: cron only has minute resolution |
| 09:59.53 | mattfury | <3 techno :D |
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| 10:00.56 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 10:01.01 | fantomas | cahoot: I found chrony is too complex for my simple needs :) |
| 10:01.04 | amorphix | how do I delete a mozilla user profile lock? |
| 10:01.21 | amorphix | where is the lock file stored? |
| 10:01.55 | peterS | amorphix: somewhere under ~/.mozilla/ but I don't run moz so I can't be more specific |
| 10:02.07 | amorphix | okay thanks peterS |
| 10:03.10 | amorphix | i have found a file which appears to be a random filename under ~/.mozilla/default, i wonder if thats the one I need to delete? |
| 10:03.26 | phildo | alright, now how to load drivers.. i know my NIC uses eepro100.c |
| 10:03.30 | phildo | is that a good start? |
| 10:03.43 | peterS | phildo: well, eepro100 and e100 are two drivers for the same hardware, you can use either one actually |
| 10:03.44 | amorphix | ismod? |
| 10:04.00 | CASP | good morning The World of IRC |
| 10:04.07 | amorphix | good morning to you CASP |
| 10:04.10 | phildo | insmod is a perminant driver install? |
| 10:04.17 | peterS | phildo: you can load a kernel module with 'modprobe eepro100' and if that seems to succeed ('ifconfig -a' will tell), you can add a line to /etc/modules to get it loaded at boot time |
| 10:04.18 | amorphix | insmod |
| 10:04.25 | bob2 | phildo: no |
| 10:04.33 | phildo | ahh beaut. |
| 10:05.00 | amorphix | peterS is da man |
| 10:05.10 | peterS | phildo: as for eepro100 vs. e100: the latter was contributed by Intel, the former written independently. I don't know which actually works better. |
| 10:05.15 | Guerin | amorphix: that'll be your lockfile, yeah |
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| 10:05.32 | phildo | will definately experiment :P |
| 10:05.39 | amorphix | i figured it out, thats the folder which holds the profile files and the lock file |
| 10:05.40 | amorphix | ta |
| 10:05.48 | peterS | yeah, have fun with that (: really if one works fine, there's no real need to try the other |
| 10:06.15 | peterS | PRO/100 hardware is in general supported very well in both drivers, from what I understand |
| 10:06.40 | signius_ | I use the e100 on this laptop and i have never had a problem with it |
| 10:07.46 | amorphix | me too |
| 10:07.53 | signius_ | When Intel commit to something properly they do genrally seem to write very good code its just a shame they are such idiots with release specs on certain things sometimes |
| 10:08.16 | peterS | note, "contributed by Intel" in this context means two things: (1) probably takes advantage of the hardware better than an independent driver, (2) was probably ported from some other OS and thus at least in its early days in Linux is likely to be a little bit of a clunky fit into the rest of the kernel |
| 10:08.17 | amorphix | but yesterday both the hinges snapped off my HP Omnibook 6000, only 2 months after buying it |
| 10:08.22 | mattfury | how come when i ran q3 in software mode nothing happened? |
| 10:08.29 | peterS | that's just a generalisation of vendor-contributed drivers in Linux |
| 10:08.35 | amorphix | can anyone recommend a laptop make which is resistant to hinges breaking? |
| 10:08.59 | mattfury | lol |
| 10:09.05 | mattfury | i'd say toshiba |
| 10:09.12 | mattfury | :-) |
| 10:09.24 | phildo | or what are they.. the tuffbooks |
| 10:09.44 | peterS | those newer laptops with the twirly LCDs look pretty fragile in that department, to me. I haven't actually tried to handle one |
| 10:10.03 | phildo | twirly lcds? you mean tablets? |
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| 10:10.11 | signius_ | The build quality of IBM Laptops IMHO is 1st class very robust and i dont thinkt he keyboards can be beaten at least not on any other laptops i have ever used |
| 10:10.25 | peterS | no, regular notebooks but where the LCD can be rotated around horizontally so you can show it to someone facing you |
| 10:10.39 | phildo | cool :) never seen one. |
| 10:10.47 | signius_ | But to be honest i suply loads of HP laptops also and i rate them as well |
| 10:10.55 | peterS | the ads look cool, but I can't imagine the mechanism could be very robust |
| 10:10.56 | phildo | i sell nothing but toshys ;) |
| 10:11.11 | phildo | even though toshiba are bastards to their resellers. |
| 10:11.33 | signius_ | Sony on the other other hand i do i have a couple of friends who have both had hinges break and the problem with Sony you are seriously locked in to who can get parts and fix them also |
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| 10:11.46 | mattfury | amorphix, if i were to buy something ... this: http://www.toshibadirect.com/td/b2c/cmod.to?seg=HHO&coid=-26373&sel=0&rcid=-26367&ccid=1291021 |
| 10:11.47 | phildo | signius; same with any. |
| 10:12.11 | signius_ | I have found Toshiba's to just have too much proprietry stuff in them |
| 10:12.16 | scanwinder | how do i get X to go to 800x600 instead of 640x480? |
| 10:12.20 | mattfury | 60GB HDD |
| 10:12.33 | row | why does php force apache2 to install even on upgrades, is there a way I can force debian to only install apache 1.3, as it wants to add apache2 on a upgrade. |
| 10:12.40 | scanwinder | ive tried changing it in the config files but it still comes up as 640x480 |
| 10:12.47 | peterS | scanwinder: 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86', pick 800x600 in the list of resolutions it presents to you at the end of the process |
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| 10:13.09 | peterS | scanwinder: if it comes up with only 640x480 you might have configured it to use the vga16 driver or similar |
| 10:13.12 | mattfury | scanwinder, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 10:13.23 | mattfury | as you go through choose 800x600 |
| 10:13.45 | mattfury | in a terminal (right click on desktop) |
| 10:13.49 | peterS | unfortunately, 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' silently fails if you have edited the config file |
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| 10:14.42 | peterS | phildo: so are you running 2.6.8 now? gotta get your mouse up and going, if so |
| 10:15.28 | phildo | yeah! back to the original request ;) |
| 10:15.29 | phildo | hehe |
| 10:15.38 | phildo | booting fine, NIC is cranking |
| 10:15.43 | phildo | SATA works now, woot. |
| 10:15.48 | peterS | phildo: depending on what stuff you've got installed, you may or may not have some kernel modules loaded automatically for you based on hardware detection. do 'lsmod' and look for things like 'uhci_hcd' |
| 10:15.56 | phildo | ok |
| 10:16.28 | peterS | if you already have uhci_hcd or ohci_hcd loaded (depending on your motherboard USB chip), we don't have to figure out which USB chip you have |
| 10:16.44 | peterS | you will also need two other modules loaded, which may or may not already be: 'mousedev' and 'usbhid' |
| 10:16.45 | phildo | grep uhci and grep hcd shows nothing. |
| 10:16.59 | phildo | mousedev isnt there |
| 10:17.07 | peterS | phildo: ok so do you know if your motherboard USB is UHCI or OHCI? there's an easy(ish) way to tell: |
| 10:17.13 | phildo | usbhid isnt either. |
| 10:17.15 | peterS | phildo: lspci -v | awk '/USB/{print $NF}' |
| 10:17.29 | peterS | phildo: if you have USB 2.0 ports, it will report EHCI in addition to one of those other two |
| 10:18.01 | phildo | with that command |
| 10:18.16 | phildo | i get 4 lines of '[UHCI])' and 1 line of '20)' |
| 10:18.57 | peterS | phildo: interesting, I think the 20) line should have said EHCI. so we'll assume you have USB 2.0. load the modules "uhci_hcd" and "ehci_hcd". |
| 10:19.11 | phildo | yeah, definately usbv2 |
| 10:19.13 | phildo | ok |
| 10:19.24 | phildo | mouse light on! |
| 10:19.39 | peterS | phildo: you need both modules because USB 1.1 devices will only talk to the uhci_hcd module and USB 2 devices will only talk to the ehci_hcd module. very strange driver/hardware situation. |
| 10:19.51 | phildo | cool ;) done. adding to modules now. |
| 10:19.51 | peterS | phildo: ok now also load the 'mousedev' and 'usbhid' modules |
| 10:20.42 | peterS | phildo: background info: 'mousedev' is a frontend module that presents mouse data to applications. 'usbhid' is a backend that gets events from USB Human Interface Device spec hardware and feeds it to the input layer, which feeds it to 'mousedev'. |
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| 10:21.31 | mattfury | http://cgi.ebay.com.au/LAPTOP-C610-1GIG-256MB-EXCELLENT-CONDITION-1NR_W0QQitemZ6816522873QQcategoryZ3713QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem <-- check that laptop out, tho its a deLL :( |
| 10:21.36 | phildo | neat. |
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| 10:21.43 | peterS | phildo: now X should see your mouse automatically - the debian default config already knows to look for 'mousedev'-exported mice (/dev/input/mice) |
| 10:21.49 | dorto | what was the command used to switch off the monitor after a few mins of inactivity? |
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| 10:22.28 | phildo | peterS; this doesnt suggest the keyboard will now work, does it.. |
| 10:22.36 | phildo | hopefully 2.6 will sort that. |
| 10:22.38 | dorto | xset sth... |
| 10:22.40 | phildo | and we can forget it happened.. |
| 10:22.43 | phildo | :P |
| 10:22.43 | peterS | phildo: I have no idea what is going on with your keyboard. let's theorize that it was weirdness with the 2.2 kernel, yeah |
| 10:22.59 | dorto | got it in man pages :) |
| 10:23.00 | Coweater | anyone know why bittorrent doesn't have an official package? licensing or something? |
| 10:23.10 | phildo | mouse works beaut. |
| 10:23.15 | peterS | Coweater: it doesn't? it certainly does |
| 10:23.39 | Coweater | perhaps it's testing then |
| 10:23.40 | peterS | Coweater: however, the bittorrent license *did* change for the worse recently, so bittorrent version 4.0 and newer is *not* in debian, for that reason |
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| 10:24.05 | phildo | keyboard == fixed |
| 10:24.11 | peterS | phildo: w00t! |
| 10:24.17 | Coweater | i suppose that'd be it then, thanks |
| 10:24.19 | peterS | Coweater: testing is missing a lot of random stuff at the moment, due to fallout from various transitions going on. this is a temporary situation |
| 10:24.32 | peterS | Coweater: meanwhile perhaps the 'bittornado' program is still in testing? |
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| 10:25.08 | laurens_ | use rtorrent |
| 10:25.11 | Coweater | it is, i've been using qtorrent, i like the single window, but i was thinking of trying the original again |
| 10:25.13 | laurens_ | it is great <3 |
| 10:25.19 | peterS | oh right, rtorrent is what people have been recommending recently. |
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| 10:25.35 | peterS | bittornado is similar to the original bittorrent, anyway - it's a fork of it |
| 10:25.36 | laurens_ | rtorrent is like btdownloadcurses |
| 10:25.38 | laurens_ | except better |
| 10:25.41 | spdf | Yah, seems its moving up in the rants. I just started using it |
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| 10:25.48 | spdf | s/rants/ranks/ |
| 10:25.59 | laurens_ | spdf: quite a typo :P |
| 10:26.07 | spdf | Suppose it works both ways |
| 10:26.12 | dorto | thank that it was not typoed to pants |
| 10:26.14 | phildo | peterS, thanks for everything! time for a pint and a feed, i'd say. |
| 10:26.18 | phildo | cheers ;) |
| 10:26.23 | spdf | Those two aren't even near each other.. weird.. |
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| 10:26.30 | peterS | phildo: heh. no problem, I'm just glad you got away from the 2.2 kernel and all (: |
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| 10:26.55 | peterS | phildo: I do think I'll go to bed soon, it's 4:26 localtime and feels like 5:26 because of the end of daylight saving time up here in the northern hemisphere |
| 10:27.43 | peterS | though not necessarily on weekends |
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| 10:43.14 | deepan | i have mepis cd.. and all sarge cds except the FIRST one.. can i install mepis.. and then some home install sarge.. i think. . there is a way rite |
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| 10:45.47 | kaktus | Hi! I'm having problems with my soundcard on my dell latitude D300XT. It has a Crystal 4237B soundcard, and I found out that I might be able to use the alsa-drivers I have downloaded. But I get the errormessage "no device found" when I try to install the drivers! Can somebody help me please? |
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| 10:46.12 | faked | is debian-unofficial only for sarge? there are no packages for sid? |
| 10:46.20 | [k]Chepre | hi, i got a big problem installing debian 3.1 r0a on a dell poweredge 850. im using the netinst-iso but the current version cant find the hdd-controller. i already tried to create a custom netinst-iso with the initrd/vmlinuz of the testing-netinst but then i it cant find the /etc/fstab ... already googled and tried many howtos but it doesnt work :( |
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| 10:48.47 | marthijn_ | hi, is there a way to set numlock on by default without recompiling? (I run Gnome) |
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| 10:51.25 | Jamie_85 | Hey all is it possible to stop a SSH User to view files/ or nano/pico files out side of his/her's /home/user directory? |
| 10:51.31 | marculix | since I use sarge on my PowerBook, I noticed that 2 atd jobs are running? Can somebody please verify/falsify that and check that using 'ps -ef | grep atd', thanks... |
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| 10:52.08 | simy22 | is there anything that will help me make a gui window? |
| 10:52.18 | jkad | hello, i was searching the debian page but couldnt find any doc on how to install sid ... |
| 10:52.48 | kaktus | hmm.......not too many helpers out here today, is it? |
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| 10:52.54 | marthijn_ | simy22: you mean when programming? |
| 10:52.55 | [k]Chepre | marculix: default pc here: 2 processes: /sbin/rpc.statd and /usr/sbin/atd |
| 10:52.56 | douglas_ | jkad: do you already have debian fired up or is this a fresh install you want to do |
| 10:53.02 | simy22 | marthijn_ : yeah... |
| 10:53.10 | marthijn_ | simy22: use GTK+ and/or Gnome or QT and/or KDE libraries |
| 10:53.11 | jkad | douglas_, fresh |
| 10:53.13 | marculix | jkad: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 10:53.16 | scotty | #linuxforum.hu |
| 10:53.20 | simy22 | marthijn_ : i dont need an IDE, just want somthing small and easy, lol |
| 10:53.22 | marthijn_ | simy22: you can apt-get those, docs are at gtk.org and gnome.org |
| 10:53.31 | marculix | thanks [k]Chepre |
| 10:53.35 | douglas_ | debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
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| 10:53.41 | simy22 | marthijn_ : ok so its GTK Gnome QT or kde libs.... |
| 10:53.44 | douglas_ | lets you pick |
| 10:53.58 | deepan | i want to install debian sarge.. i have all cd of debian except the FIRST one... i have mepis and knopixs cd.. is there a way to install sarge.. |
| 10:53.59 | marculix | [k]Chepre do you run sarge on your system? |
| 10:54.11 | marthijn_ | simy22: there a very cool drag and drop IDE creation tool, I'll look up the name for you - one moment |
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| 10:54.25 | kaktus | can someone help me out with my sound problem? Any other channel that is better for soundissues? |
| 10:54.26 | dorto | simy22: you can create gui apps in python right from the python shell |
| 10:54.27 | bbrazil | deepan: get the first cd. |
| 10:54.31 | simy22 | marthijn_ : k, thanks... (thats more of what i was looking for |
| 10:54.33 | jkad | marculix: that is for stable |
| 10:54.41 | marculix | yes |
| 10:54.47 | douglas_ | deepan how old are those cds |
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| 10:54.49 | bbrazil | deepan: if you have a fast net connection, use the netinstall and ignore the CDs you have |
| 10:54.51 | jkad | i would like sid - unstable |
| 10:54.56 | simy22 | dorto : if all else fails ill lookinto makingit with the python shell then thanks :) |
| 10:54.57 | [k]Chepre | marculix: yes 2.4.27-2-k7 |
| 10:55.07 | bob2 | Jamie_85: why would you want to do that? |
| 10:55.18 | marculix | [k]Chepre ok, thanks... then something is wrong with my initscript |
| 10:55.30 | [k]Chepre | ok, nP :) |
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| 10:55.50 | deepan | bbrazil: is sarge 3.0 i suppose |
| 10:55.56 | Jamie_85 | bob2: It's so a member of staff can only access the files which are in his directory and not viewing otherfiles =) |
| 10:55.58 | bbrazil | deepan: no, thats woody |
| 10:55.59 | douglas_ | deepan: like bbrazil said ... grab a small installer from debian.org/devel/debian-installer, pick which packages you want as you go |
| 10:56.19 | bob2 | Jamie_85: why do they have permission to view files they shouldn't? |
| 10:56.25 | marthijn_ | simy22: glade |
| 10:56.58 | marthijn_ | simy22: http://glade.gnome.org/screenshots.html |
| 10:56.58 | Jamie_85 | bob2: No idea they can nano the files but can't save the files (of course) it's the default for adduser I guess... |
| 10:57.18 | simy22 | marthijn_ : that sounds familar (i knew there was somthing i liked, but just couldnt even think of what it was, lol) |
| 10:57.23 | bob2 | Jamie_85: eh? fix the permissions then so they can't read it. |
| 10:58.01 | bob2 | Jamie_85: if yo udon't know how, tell us who owns it and who should be able to read it |
| 10:58.06 | simy22 | marthijn_ : Yup, this is most definatly it, thanks again! |
| 10:58.12 | marthijn_ | np |
| 10:58.32 | Jamie_85 | Jamie_85 which permissions should I set it to? |
| 10:59.01 | Jamie_85 | i mean bob2 |
| 10:59.01 | Jamie_85 | lol |
| 10:59.12 | bob2 | 21:58:00 bob2 | Jamie_85: if yo udon't know how, tell us who owns it and who should be able to read it |
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| 11:00.05 | jkad | ok, so i figure i have to install testing first, and then upgrade to sid. im downloading the testing netinstall now ... but how do i then upgrade to sid? |
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| 11:00.42 | thegraham | how do I change get all mail coming to one user account to be forwarded to two other accounts? |
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| 11:01.05 | peterS | thegraham: edit /etc/aliases, add a line: foo: bar, baz |
| 11:01.10 | peterS | thegraham: then run 'newaliases' |
| 11:01.13 | thegraham | peterS thanks |
| 11:01.24 | xelam | jkad: by editing /etc/apt/sources.list, changing "testing" to "unstable", and then apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 11:01.39 | jkad | tnx xelam ! :) |
| 11:01.43 | FinnTux | how are usb disks supposed to be used in debian? |
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| 11:01.54 | FinnTux | just plug them in and out? |
| 11:02.06 | FinnTux | usbmount mounts/umounts them? |
| 11:02.12 | bob2 | depends |
| 11:02.29 | brosioz | but why in debian unstable put the kernel 2.6.14 and never 2.6.13 ? |
| 11:02.30 | FinnTux | I mean no need to umount before removing disk |
| 11:02.44 | bob2 | no |
| 11:02.44 | jkad | xelam: can i also do that from stable? because i already have the stable cd .. |
| 11:02.47 | bob2 | unmount it |
| 11:02.49 | Jamie_85 | bob2: the user which owns is root; and want to allow Jamie and mark to be able to read it; I need to make sure permissions allow apache to avoide 403 error. |
| 11:02.55 | xelam | jkad: yes |
| 11:03.04 | jkad | ok tnx :) |
| 11:03.14 | FinnTux | they seem to be mounted with option 'sync' |
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| 11:03.59 | FinnTux | but only root has write access |
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| 11:04.49 | row | FinnTux: check persmissions on the mount points |
| 11:04.54 | marthijn_ | question: is there a way to set numlock on by default without recompiling? (I run Gnome) |
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| 11:05.01 | marthijn_ | sorry |
| 11:05.04 | marthijn_ | never mind that question |
| 11:05.09 | marthijn_ | (I already got the answer, doh) |
| 11:05.12 | row | you can set that in bios..... |
| 11:05.16 | bob2 | row: it's not a mount point issue |
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| 11:05.17 | FinnTux | row, is there anything needed in fstab? |
| 11:05.19 | row | gnome should not alter |
| 11:05.30 | bob2 | it needs to be mounted with the umask=000 option |
| 11:05.35 | bob2 | assuming it's vfat/ntfs |
| 11:05.37 | row | er if root has rw privs not sure sorry |
| 11:05.39 | brosioz | but why in debian unstable put the kernel 2.6.14 and never 2.6.13 ? |
| 11:05.53 | bob2 | brosioz: that's what the kernel team decided to do |
| 11:05.53 | FinnTux | how about option 'user'? |
| 11:05.55 | row | oo unstable got .14 already |
| 11:06.03 | bob2 | FinnTux: depends how "usbmount" works |
| 11:06.04 | xelam | row: BIOS doesn't affect it |
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| 11:06.12 | FinnTux | err, of course not. how could OS know who plugs it in... |
| 11:06.13 | brosioz | bob2, ok |
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| 11:07.08 | row | FinnTux: create a usbhdd group for example, set persmissions on the mount point so only usbhdd for example have rw, that way easier to manage who and who does not have write access. |
| 11:07.09 | brosioz | anyone have try nvidia driver 1.0-7676 with kernel 2.6.14 ? |
| 11:08.07 | bob2 | Jamie_85: make a group, add jamie and mark to it, make that group the group owner of the file, give the group read permission, and everyone else no permission |
| 11:08.11 | bob2 | Jamie_85: or use posix acls |
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| 11:08.34 | Jamie_85 | ok thanks bob2 :) |
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| 11:09.11 | FinnTux | hmm, seems that ext3 is mounted automatically but vfat is not... |
| 11:09.29 | deepan | i had downloaded the netinstal.iso .. the debian installer.. how do i start installation now ? the iso is in my harddisk |
| 11:09.49 | bob2 | deepan: burn it to a cd, boot the cd |
| 11:10.15 | aSaT | Trying to do X11 forwarding over SSH: 'ssh -vX' says "debug1: Requesting X11 forwarding with authentication spoofing." but does not set DISPLAY |
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| 11:11.20 | bob2 | do you have xauth installed on the server? |
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| 11:11.36 | aSaT | bob2: yes |
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| 11:12.46 | bob2 | is it enabled on both sides in the config file? |
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| 11:13.39 | aSaT | bob2: you mean "X11Forwarding yes" in ssh_config? |
| 11:13.42 | [k]Chepre | does someone know how to create/modify a netinst-iso with specific initrd/vmlinuz and kernel? the stable cant find my hdd-controller and the testing is buggy |
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| 11:13.45 | bob2 | and sshd |
| 11:13.57 | aSaT | oh, ok :-) |
| 11:14.40 | gareth | hey guys, i did apt-get dist-upgrade and now everything is broken, everything i try is giving me an error about libpthread.so.0 |
| 11:15.01 | gareth | i think perl broke, and perl is used to install stuff, |
| 11:15.02 | adii | gareth : using sarge ? |
| 11:15.03 | adii | sid ? |
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| 11:15.09 | bob2 | and your kernel versoin is? |
| 11:15.24 | gareth | sid |
| 11:15.29 | bob2 | I bet 2.4.18 |
| 11:15.45 | gareth | 2.6.6 |
| 11:16.04 | bob2 | 2.6.6 is old |
| 11:16.08 | bob2 | and has local root exploits |
| 11:16.18 | gareth | but its a hand made kernel, i needed to add other things in so i compiled it my self |
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| 11:16.35 | bob2 | I'd be guessing that was the problem |
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| 11:16.37 | deepan | is there a debian installer that i can start from another operation system ? |
| 11:16.44 | bob2 | similar issues happened with sid with old 2.4 kernels |
| 11:16.47 | bob2 | deepan: no |
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| 11:17.06 | bob2 | deepan: you can use debootstrap, but if you have no idea what you're doing, an install cd is far simpler |
| 11:17.06 | gareth | bob2 im the only person that uses it, and my 3 year old daughter |
| 11:17.13 | bob2 | heh |
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| 11:17.24 | bob2 | fair enough then |
| 11:17.30 | kosmonautti | are there any iso images for the AMD64 release of Debian? |
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| 11:17.39 | bob2 | gareth: would a Debian 2.6.14 kernel even boot for you? (as a test) |
| 11:17.44 | bob2 | kosmonautti: yes |
| 11:18.01 | gareth | can i not get a libpthread from someone that is running a working sid that i cany copy their files? |
| 11:18.09 | bob2 | kosmonautti: the first hit for "debian amd64 is" in google finds them |
| 11:18.16 | bob2 | gareth: I doubt that is the problem |
| 11:18.17 | gareth | bob2, so scared to reboot this one |
| 11:18.30 | hotzenplotz | when my /boot is ext2 and my / is ext3 , why my selfmade kernel is complaining about something like "VFS=could not mount root "hda5" ?? |
| 11:18.33 | aSaT | bob2: thanks for the pointer, X11 forwarding works fine now |
| 11:19.00 | bob2 | hotzenplotz: you know you don't need a /boot on a seperae partition, right? |
| 11:19.16 | gareth | ok, i think it is perl that is broken |
| 11:19.25 | bob2 | hotzenplotz: it's complaining because yo udidn't compile your kernel properly. recompile with ext3 and ext2 built into the kernel. |
| 11:19.29 | adii | why is kvoctrain crashing every time i click "open a file" |
| 11:19.37 | bob2 | gareth: what architecture? |
| 11:20.06 | hotzenplotz | bob2: i did that already. first time it had ext3 just as a module:) but now it has it compiled hard |
| 11:20.20 | bob2 | hotzenplotz: you forgot something else essential then |
| 11:20.23 | bob2 | e.g. disk controller |
| 11:20.28 | bob2 | hotzenplotz: why are you compiling a kernel at all? |
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| 11:21.01 | mattfury | is it possible to mount a nero file? |
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| 11:21.25 | hotzenplotz | bob2 because i wanted to have a bit better customized settings (686 instead of 386 ) and i tried to leave out some modules i definitly not have hardware for |
| 11:21.35 | shad0wcat | mattfury: go install Nero Linux |
| 11:21.45 | shad0wcat | hotzenplotz: then go back to experimenting |
| 11:22.09 | bob2 | hotzenplotz: ? install the linux-image-2.6.14-686 package then |
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| 11:22.21 | row | nrg2iso - Extracts ISO9660 data from Nero ".nrg" files |
| 11:22.22 | bob2 | hotzenplotz: unused modules just consume a small amount of disk; no ram |
| 11:22.25 | gareth | i386 |
| 11:22.28 | shad0wcat | bob2: first off, that image is in unstable |
| 11:22.28 | bob2 | hotzenplotz: anyway, read above for how to fix it |
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| 11:22.38 | shad0wcat | secondly, don't recommend stuff from unstable |
| 11:22.49 | bob2 | shad0wcat: thank you for your insight |
| 11:23.19 | liable | haha |
| 11:23.25 | hotzenplotz | bob2 i thought about that this kernel image does not ship with the standard sarge sources :) so i will have to look out for my self :( |
| 11:23.38 | gareth | ok, i think it is all cause of this libpthread, its bitching about symbol __libc_stack_end, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined |
| 11:23.38 | bob2 | hotzenplotz: 2.6.8.1-686 then |
| 11:23.47 | ramezhanna | i have a box with 3 ethernet cards and i want to assign each one an ethx name, how? |
| 11:23.54 | hotzenplotz | shad0wcat: is it essential to have an image file for booting right in debian ? |
| 11:23.59 | bob2 | gareth: that is either a kernel bug or whatever you're running is broken |
| 11:24.02 | bob2 | hotzenplotz: no |
| 11:24.11 | bob2 | ramezhanna: install ifrename and setup /etc/iftab |
| 11:24.23 | mattfury | shad0wcat, found another way; just rename the extension *.iso |
| 11:24.32 | ramezhanna | thanks bob2 |
| 11:24.56 | gareth | ramezhanna man interfaces (/etc/network/interfaces) |
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| 11:27.05 | linux_manju | hi all :) |
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| 11:28.38 | Ruzbeh | hello, how come there's still no flash player 8 for linux? whats taking macromedia so damn long!? |
| 11:28.59 | shad0wcat | who cares |
| 11:29.02 | lindi- | Ruzbeh: what has this to do with debian? |
| 11:29.03 | shad0wcat | flash sucks anyway |
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| 11:29.49 | marculix | flash is for gamers, not geeks |
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| 11:29.59 | Ruzbeh | lindi-, seeing as how debian is a linux distribution... |
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| 11:30.11 | Miesco | What program should I use to type commands in? |
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| 11:30.31 | Miesco | shell interpreter... |
| 11:30.45 | Ruzbeh | Miesco, i don't know what you mean, just use xterm? |
| 11:30.54 | lindi- | Ruzbeh: but debian is most of all about free software |
| 11:31.08 | Miesco | Ruzbeh: Do you use xterm? |
| 11:31.12 | Ruzbeh | Miesco, yes |
| 11:31.24 | Miesco | Ruzbeh: Do you use black on white? |
| 11:31.30 | Ruzbeh | Miesco, sure |
| 11:31.31 | adii | why is KVocTrain crashing whenever i click on "open a file" |
| 11:31.31 | lindi- | Ruzbeh: and it's a gnu/linux distribution too :) |
| 11:31.41 | Ruzbeh | lindi-, so? i need to see this flash website |
| 11:31.48 | Miesco | Ruzbeh: But I just want it normal, with black background |
| 11:32.05 | Ruzbeh | Miesco, you mean it doesnt have a black background? |
| 11:32.41 | Miesco | Ruzbeh: Yes |
| 11:32.48 | lindi- | Ruzbeh: yeah, but debian can't really help you much there |
| 11:32.50 | Miesco | Ruzbeh: It is white |
| 11:33.26 | lindi- | Ruzbeh: unless of course gplflash matures enough to be useful |
| 11:34.01 | bob2 | adii: file a bug |
| 11:34.53 | adii | bob2 , i don't understand your sentence, could you rephrase it with syntax or in french ? :p |
| 11:35.07 | bob2 | adii: you need to report the bug so it can be fixed |
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| 11:35.23 | adii | oh ok |
| 11:35.32 | adii | actually i was wrong : it was just like "very very" laggy |
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| 11:36.28 | linux_manju | can anyone tell me whether i can compile a Flash based application in linux |
| 11:36.32 | linux_manju | ? |
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| 11:38.03 | beardy | linux_manju: Probably not. |
| 11:38.20 | lindi- | linux_manju: http://freshmeat.net/projects/f4l/ |
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| 11:39.13 | lindi- | linux_manju: or create SVG and then convert it to flash with http://freshmeat.net/projects/svg2swf/ |
| 11:40.08 | linux_manju | lindi-: --> thnx .. will look into it |
| 11:40.11 | linux_manju | :) |
| 11:40.41 | lindi- | linux_manju: i'd really recommend learning SVG first because it's at least an official standard |
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| 11:41.30 | linux_manju | lindi-: > lemme explain my situation properly.. |
| 11:42.22 | linux_manju | lindi-: my friend coded an app which works gr8 in windows... |
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| 11:42.40 | opqdonut | anyone know of a hd mp3 player that acts as a standard mass-storage device? |
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| 11:42.52 | [k]Chepre | can someone help me modifying a netinst-iso? already read many howtos but it doesnt work like it should :( |
| 11:43.10 | linux_manju | lindi-: now the idea is to compile the same for linux and distribute it as my friend is hesitant to give out the source code |
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| 11:43.51 | lindi- | linux_manju: well, sorry, if it's going to be non-free then i don't have time to help :/ |
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| 11:44.23 | linux_manju | lindi-: > i tried to convince my friend the same.. But he wont listen.. |
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| 11:44.43 | linux_manju | nut however i managed to convince him to ditribute it freely.. |
| 11:44.45 | torc | is it possible to tune SCSI performance parameters with a tool similar to hdparm? |
| 11:44.51 | lindi- | linux_manju: tough luck then |
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| 11:45.09 | lindi- | torc: sdparm? |
| 11:45.26 | kbailey | hi - anyone heard of any server shutdowns due to clocks changing last night |
| 11:45.41 | mattfury | how do i mount a iso image? |
| 11:45.43 | torc | lindi-: nice, thanks :) |
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| 11:45.46 | linux_manju | lindi-: > but he is distributing it freely .. without s.code |
| 11:45.47 | Maulkin | Nope |
| 11:45.49 | Miesco | In the command line without using X, is there a way to make the font smaller? |
| 11:46.16 | lindi- | linux_manju: yeah but that's still non-free, i've struggled enough with those in the past |
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| 11:46.29 | mattfury | ??? |
| 11:46.34 | row | opqdonut: most usb mp3 players are hdds with applications to play, sony hd5, ipod (spit). etc |
| 11:46.34 | lindi- | mattfury: first hit on google, http://www.google.com/search?q=linux%20mount%20a%20iso%20image&ie=UTF-8&num=100&oe=UTF-8 |
| 11:46.40 | mattfury | ... |
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| 11:46.47 | linux_manju | lindi-: > if ya put it that way... |
| 11:46.51 | mattfury | dont humiliate the noobs - its flaming |
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| 11:47.06 | kbailey | cheers maulkin - i suppose the silence is part of the answer |
| 11:47.15 | phildo | can i use apt-get to install kernel source? |
| 11:47.16 | opqdonut | row: i want to use an mp3 player w/o all the extra crap ala the ipod dm system |
| 11:47.34 | row | opqdonut: what kinda size you need? |
| 11:47.39 | row | could use a usb pen drive |
| 11:47.56 | lindi- | phildo: sure, apt-cache search kernel-source and pick your favourite |
| 11:47.57 | opqdonut | ~20gig |
| 11:48.01 | row | you just need external storage? |
| 11:48.08 | opqdonut | no, mp3 playback as well |
| 11:48.15 | phildo | lindi-, hrm.. thought i searched it good. *loox again* |
| 11:48.19 | row | opqdonut: not sure about hd5 thats 20-30gb very nice small etc might as well google it. |
| 11:48.24 | opqdonut | ive got a creative muvo 256 stick that doubles as a player |
| 11:48.31 | opqdonut | atm |
| 11:48.42 | phildo | ah, i was grepping 2.6.8-2 |
| 11:48.45 | opqdonut | i love the system, just mount, copy song, unmount |
| 11:49.00 | row | I want a hd5 but I want 40-60gb+ so I am waiting for their next gen of that model as its nice and small and sexeh ;) |
| 11:49.28 | opqdonut | :) |
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| 11:50.13 | row | is there a tool in apt to convert chm->html? |
| 11:50.26 | row | my windows .chm reader anit working right yet xchm is loading them fine |
| 11:50.30 | row | so thought just convert them |
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| 11:51.04 | phildo | hrm - kernel source is already installed.. where would apt put it? |
| 11:51.28 | row | ./usr/src/ but might be current dir don't remeber |
| 11:51.29 | row | try both |
| 11:52.15 | Maulkin | kbailey: We had an unrelated outage, but it was quite a few hours afte rthe clock change |
| 11:52.51 | Maulkin | kbailey: If there is a particular program taht crashed, I'd suggest reporting a bug againat it (if you're sure it's the clock change that caused problems) |
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| 11:53.20 | row | best to have servers set to UTC anyway :) |
| 11:53.27 | lindi- | phildo: use e.g. dpkg -L kernel-source-2.4.18 to see where the files of a package are |
| 11:54.07 | phildo | thanks =) |
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| 11:56.24 | Maulkin | Sort of :) |
| 11:56.39 | Maulkin | UTC is best, with a tz modifier :) |
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| 12:04.03 | sfripper | hi |
| 12:05.05 | Maulkin | low |
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| 12:05.50 | claudia_ | Hallo |
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| 12:06.52 | sfripper | i got two internet connections on my network, they are serving different subnets by gateway configurations, i can reach both routers but i can give only one gateway, but i want to use both of them? how can i do? |
| 12:07.23 | phildo | define each as a gateway to the ranges they're gateways for. |
| 12:08.33 | Oceanborn | Hi all. I don't see gnome-core in experimental branch. Is it forgotten or replaced? |
| 12:09.08 | sfripper | thats not the problem, i want to make a load balance on my machine, when one of them goes off , i want to route to the other automatically |
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| 12:10.11 | amorphix | did you guys say IBM ThinkPads has the best hinges on laptops? |
| 12:10.17 | amorphix | or Toshiba? |
| 12:10.28 | sfripper | are there a way to load balance the internet traffic with software in debian? |
| 12:10.33 | amorphix | HP and Compaq have the worse |
| 12:10.41 | amorphix | i know from experience |
| 12:11.09 | amorphix | sfripper: yes there is software and a project setup for this |
| 12:11.26 | resiak | What is the environment variable that allows one to add directories to the paths searched for .sos? |
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| 12:11.47 | sfripper | amorphix: can you give me the project name? |
| 12:13.21 | sfripper | moo |
| 12:13.22 | amorphix | sfripper: google for Debian high availability, clustering, and heartbeat etc |
| 12:13.31 | sfripper | nope |
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| 12:14.46 | guitoune | hi all, i want to know if there is an issue to add swap on a hard drive which doesn't have ? (i forgot to create a swap slice durong the 2 month old installation of Sarge) |
| 12:14.47 | amorphix | sfripper: you want high availability |
| 12:15.04 | k-dog | resiak: LD_CONFIG? Something like. |
| 12:15.06 | amorphix | sfripper: you could do a quick and easy DNS failover tho |
| 12:15.18 | brosioz | m1l4n3ll0 |
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| 12:15.25 | resiak | k-dog: LD_LIBRARY_PATH it seems |
| 12:15.38 | k-dog | resiak: Right. man (8) ld.so |
| 12:15.50 | resiak | k-dog: Thanks. |
| 12:15.55 | k-dog | resiak: NP. |
| 12:16.08 | sfripper | whatever i tried the google b4 ; thanks |
| 12:16.30 | amorphix | sfripper: check out DNSMadeEasy.com service that offers DNS Failover |
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| 12:18.13 | incorrect | does anyone know of a company that does debian based dedicated servers? |
| 12:18.14 | amorphix | debianhelp.org website is sweet |
| 12:18.15 | GlenneMannen2 | what do I need to be able to use my apache as an wap page? |
| 12:18.29 | Guerin | incorrect: rimuhosting.com |
| 12:18.36 | dorto | any links to help with website hosting on debian os? |
| 12:18.58 | sfripper | im not searching for it, i need a software that monitors traffic, and routes the right gateway |
| 12:19.02 | glutinous | httpd.apache.org? |
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| 12:19.16 | Guerin | dorto: /usr/share/doc/apache[2]/ |
| 12:19.17 | fooscope | incorrect: byteserv in the uk does, plus they donate a % to debian |
| 12:19.22 | bbrazil | glutinous: partition, mkswap, fstab, swapon |
| 12:19.39 | fooscope | incorrect: and free software authors get a discount |
| 12:19.42 | glutinous | bbrazil: ... ? |
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| 12:19.53 | sfripper | seems i have to make my own code |
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| 12:20.10 | bbrazil | glutinous: sorry, wrong person |
| 12:20.15 | amorphix | what an idiot |
| 12:20.17 | torc | what RHEL version sarge is most compatible with? i mean libs and other system-specific stuff. |
| 12:20.24 | valdyn | !tell sfripper -about smart questions |
| 12:20.26 | bbrazil | guitoune: ^^ |
| 12:20.29 | Guerin | torc: no way of knowing. |
| 12:20.42 | Guerin | torc: probably 4 |
| 12:20.48 | Guerin | torc: but that's pure guesswork |
| 12:20.52 | glutinous | incorrect: www.redwoodvirtual.com is ok too... it is a virtual dedicated server and you can install debian on it |
| 12:21.04 | torc | Guerin: ok, need to choose some proliant support pack between 2.1, 3 and 4 :/ |
| 12:21.10 | amorphix | we like debian hosts |
| 12:21.16 | Guerin | torc: sucks to be you. |
| 12:21.37 | sfripper | heyy, u are stil standing and answering on debian room without experience of two routing and load balancing, thats the flame for you |
| 12:21.37 | torc | Guerin: bless me, god ;) |
| 12:21.43 | sfripper | shame on you |
| 12:21.56 | fooscope | incorrect: duh... you'll have more luck at bytemark.co.uk \/me forgetful |
| 12:22.13 | incorrect | fooscope, :) |
| 12:22.40 | amorphix | stripper: go and troll elsewhere |
| 12:22.43 | sfripper | lol, yeah my ass |
| 12:22.46 | incorrect | im just wanting to run up some cheap game servers for my brothers clan |
| 12:23.11 | incorrect | im not about to pay globix's prices for a games servers |
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| 12:25.16 | glutinous | redwoodvirtual.com is kind of cheap... $100 usd a yr |
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| 12:26.23 | amorphix | thats a good price |
| 12:26.23 | incorrect | 1and1 have a 3 ghz p4 with 2gb for ~150 a month which seems far too cheap |
| 12:26.49 | incorrect | its a fedora core setup |
| 12:27.10 | incorrect | id pay a bit more for debian |
| 12:27.17 | amorphix | run by germans who dont understand how to speak english properly or do support |
| 12:27.45 | amorphix | (according to my mate who used 1&1) |
| 12:27.59 | incorrect | amorphix, i don't mind its only a game server |
| 12:28.21 | incorrect | and people in my family speak german |
| 12:28.30 | incorrect | so no issue there |
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| 12:28.47 | incorrect | aslong as my server is in the uk |
| 12:28.54 | sfripper | http://debianhosting.net/ |
| 12:29.04 | adii | using sarge, when i play sth using whatever soft (xmms, juk), when something is using the proc, it makes the player lag |
| 12:29.11 | walhala | Does anyone can help me with LVS ? |
| 12:29.15 | Guerin | adii: yes. |
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| 12:29.45 | adii | Guerin, yes it occurs on my girlfriend's pc (AMD64) and not on mine (p4) why ? |
| 12:30.31 | adii | how to get rid of that |
| 12:30.45 | Guerin | adii: when you have a shower, and someone turns on the hot tap, do you get cold water? |
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| 12:31.59 | incorrect | so many choices |
| 12:32.07 | adii | Guerin .. this is no relevant compare. when i said "is using the proc", i didn't mean i was copying a cd . just opening a folder .. |
| 12:32.09 | amorphix | hehe |
| 12:32.28 | walhala | Does anyone can help me with LVS ? |
| 12:32.34 | Guerin | adii: but the point is the same - cpu is a limited resource, when you use it for one thing, it's not available for another |
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| 12:32.51 | Guerin | adii: that said, your machine should be under MASSIVE load before it skips music |
| 12:32.57 | Guerin | adii: using kde, perchance? |
| 12:33.08 | adii | yea using kde |
| 12:33.18 | adii | but there's no massive load |
| 12:33.21 | beardy | walhala: Repeating doesn't help. Instead, try to be more specific, describe more exactly what is not working when you try do to do something. And say what it is you are trying to do, as exactly as possible. |
| 12:33.38 | sfripper | a debian user with kde; thats the problem |
| 12:33.43 | Guerin | adii: using arts? might need to kill it altogether or set it to use realtime |
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| 12:34.06 | fooscope | incorrect: huh whuh? |
| 12:34.08 | walhala | beardy, ok well now i have a answer, i try to have persistant connection to make my SIP channel available |
| 12:34.26 | Guerin | arts is known to skip at even mmoderate load, which is just one of many reasons why it's shit |
| 12:34.32 | incorrect | what is centOS ? |
| 12:34.34 | adii | what is arts ? |
| 12:34.41 | Tortel | adii: a sound server |
| 12:34.43 | beardy | !arts |
| 12:34.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, arts is the multimedia framework of KDE, or teh sux, or see "esound". Arts Ruins Teh Sound |
| 12:34.44 | adii | as a player i was using xmms |
| 12:34.45 | DaCrow | hi people... short question: is on this server a channel for german speaking people??? need some help... |
| 12:34.55 | Guerin | adii: go to 'sound system' in kcontrol |
| 12:34.56 | beardy | !de |
| 12:34.56 | dpkg | it has been said that de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 12:35.07 | DaCrow | thx |
| 12:35.14 | sfripper | haha |
| 12:35.23 | Tortel | does gnome come with a sound server? |
| 12:35.24 | beardy | DaCrow: bitte :) |
| 12:35.38 | fooscope | incorrect: "so many choices"? bytemark is run by debian boffinos who actually give back to the project. It's an easy choice if you ask me, they can hook you up with fries! |
| 12:36.13 | adii | Guerin i'm going to have a look. |
| 12:36.40 | Maulkin | Bytemark++ |
| 12:36.46 | Maulkin | They're good guys. |
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| 12:37.24 | torc | Guerin: what do you think of XFS? is it nice, or ext3 is the definite way to go? |
| 12:37.35 | beardy | dpkg: no, de is <reply> Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 12:37.35 | dpkg | beardy: okay |
| 12:38.06 | darkfires | torc i personally prefer xfs and use it for all my drives |
| 12:38.48 | Guerin | torc: if you have a good backup strategy and redundant power, go with xfs. If not, go with ext3 |
| 12:38.50 | torc | darkfires: what about support tools, crash recovery? |
| 12:38.52 | sfripper | yeah xfs rux |
| 12:39.08 | sfripper | got a great performence |
| 12:39.10 | torc | Guerin: what if i have battery-powered raid? |
| 12:39.11 | adii | ok Second problem: when i launch something it takes centuries to appear |
| 12:39.26 | Guerin | torc: that would qualify as redundant power? |
| 12:39.43 | torc | Guerin: thats an addition to the redundant power :) |
| 12:39.54 | beardy | adii: How much RA`M do you have? |
| 12:39.57 | beardy | RAM |
| 12:40.05 | Guerin | torc: the point is that XFS is known to cache writes aggressively, and it eats files which aren't written to disk at the time of a power outage |
| 12:40.17 | adii | beardy, 512 (ddr) |
| 12:40.25 | darkfires | torc: the only time ive had problems is when a drive was dying hard and if the kernel panics or poweroutage some of the files that were in use get nuked |
| 12:40.26 | Tortel | get more |
| 12:40.27 | Tortel | :P |
| 12:40.34 | Guerin | torc: it does this by design, and that's part of the reason it's so fast. |
| 12:40.35 | darkfires | xfs_fsr is nice though |
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| 12:40.53 | torc | Guerin: oic, thats definitely not what i really want. thanks for the info :) |
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| 12:41.53 | beardy | adii: What are you running on the machine besides KDE (which is a real resource hog, but not that big that it would make such an impact, depends on how long your "centuries" is though..) ? |
| 12:41.58 | torc | what is the most secure journal option for ext3? |
| 12:43.20 | adii | beardy : i'm running xmms, xchat, amule, gaim, konqueror and vsftpd behind. a century is like .. well .. 10 min to open kde control panel. it's not laggy at all here. my computer is a p4 2.8 ghz with 512 of ddr |
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| 12:43.24 | bob2 | torc: =data |
| 12:43.53 | torc | bob2: you mean data=journal? |
| 12:44.01 | beardy | adii: Well, stating the obvious, it shouldn't take that long, something is not right. |
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| 12:44.21 | adii | it's like, i click on the icon, it starts loading, and then it acts as if i had clicked nowhere. then 10 min later , it opens it |
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| 12:44.52 | bob2 | torc: yes |
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| 12:45.07 | Squarepants | hi |
| 12:45.11 | beardy | adii: As Guerin said earlier, have a look at not using arts. |
| 12:45.11 | Squarepants | how do i allow root login in KDE? |
| 12:45.12 | sfripper | goodbye evryone and to you son of bitch (amorphix) |
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| 12:45.33 | adii | beardy i wish i could, but kde control panel is still not loaded :D |
| 12:45.34 | bob2 | Squarepants: why? |
| 12:45.36 | beardy | Squarepants: You don't. root don't want or need to run it. |
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| 12:46.34 | beardy | adii: Have a cup of coffee for the next century :) |
| 12:46.45 | outlaw84 | Is there any overall benchmarking application for GNU/Linux? |
| 12:47.01 | Tortel | Squarepants: Never login to a KDE/GNOME/Xfree with gnome |
| 12:47.01 | Guerin | adii: something is burning your cpu. RUn top and see what |
| 12:47.12 | Tortel | Squarepants: Massive security issues |
| 12:47.22 | bob2 | Tortel: s/gnome/root/? |
| 12:47.33 | Tortel | ? |
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| 12:48.20 | beardy | Tortel: You said "gnome", don't you mean "root"? |
| 12:48.26 | Tortel | oh |
| 12:48.37 | Tortel | yep |
| 12:48.38 | Tortel | :P |
| 12:48.41 | adii | Guerin, what what burning my CPU |
| 12:48.44 | khampf | Hi people |
| 12:49.15 | Guerin | adii: something is using all the hot water in your cpu shower |
| 12:49.49 | Tortel | adii: using alot of your CPU |
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| 12:49.55 | Tortel | in simple terms |
| 12:50.08 | khampf | does anyone know of any library to use in parsing plain text configuration files in C? Something like getopts but for reading config files |
| 12:50.10 | bob2 | Squarepants: if you insist it's a good idea, configure kdm approrriately. perhaps #debian-kde will know the details. |
| 12:50.16 | bob2 | libinifile or so |
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| 12:50.23 | bob2 | tho lifeless wrote one for bazaar in a day |
| 12:50.32 | adii | Guerin, must be vsftpd ? |
| 12:50.39 | bob2 | because he said all the others sucked |
| 12:50.43 | Guerin | adii: don't guess, check with top |
| 12:50.45 | adii | oh yea kde control panel just openedd |
| 12:50.57 | beardy | adii: Run top(1) and see. |
| 12:51.20 | adii | i was discovering this |
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| 12:51.36 | adii | what's that "famd" hmm |
| 12:51.43 | outlaw84 | I am looking for a CPU benchmarking tool does anyone of you know any? |
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| 12:52.00 | Guerin | adii: ok. |
| 12:52.10 | bob2 | outlaw84: to benchmark what? |
| 12:52.22 | khampf | outlaw84: flops is one synthetic you can use |
| 12:52.26 | adii | 512 mb of 515 used gaps |
| 12:52.28 | Guerin | adii: famd monitors file alterations. if you're sharing a lot of files via p2p and ftp, famd has to keep track of that. |
| 12:52.39 | bob2 | outlaw84: bogomips is a small and pointless one |
| 12:53.00 | Guerin | adii: unfortunately there's no way to turn it off in kde, so you're stuck with it, unless you ditch kde. |
| 12:53.29 | k-dog | What do I want to install for 802.11g PCMCIA wireless? |
| 12:53.32 | adii | hmm i will get back to gnome |
| 12:53.39 | darkfires | kde sucks anyway |
| 12:53.44 | Guerin | adii: i think gnome runs famd by default as well |
| 12:53.50 | Guerin | darkfires: no more so than gnome |
| 12:53.56 | outlaw84 | bob2: I am looking for something to test overall performace of the CPU |
| 12:54.00 | beardy | Now what the hell is a file monitoring deamon doing in a window manager? (dektop, I know, but that's over the line..) |
| 12:54.02 | Tortel | adii: gnome all the way! |
| 12:54.03 | Tortel | :D |
| 12:54.12 | darkfires | gnome > * :P |
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| 12:55.58 | outlaw84 | bob2: something like PCmark but for GNU/Linux |
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| 12:57.50 | beardy | outlaw84: Have you tried google? |
| 12:57.52 | khampf | outlaw84: do you need it for comparison with other computers or only to check relative performance after some OC:ing or such? |
| 12:57.56 | Guerin | outlaw84: i don't know pcmark, but cpuburn is a benchmarker |
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| 12:57.59 | Guerin | i think |
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| 12:59.44 | GlenneMannen2 | is there anyway to see what the url to my domaincontrol is,, forgotten the url :/ |
| 12:59.49 | outlaw84 | I am uppgradeing from a Duron 1800 to a AMD64 3000++ and wanted to test the differance afterwards |
| 12:59.51 | k-dog | Guerin: No, it's not. |
| 12:59.58 | Guerin | beardy: famd is there so you don't have to refresh a filemanager window every time you make changes |
| 13:00.01 | k-dog | Guerin: ... it's a CPU stressor, but doesn't report performance. |
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| 13:00.10 | Guerin | k-dog: oh, ok. |
| 13:00.12 | Guerin | my bad |
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| 13:00.23 | Guerin | outlaw84: compile kernels |
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| 13:00.55 | bob2 | outlaw84: more important thing is how much faster it does things you want done :) |
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| 13:01.59 | khampf | outlaw84: there exists a benchmark that simply measures the time it takes to compile a kernel, I think that's one of the best overall benchmarks you can get under linux |
| 13:02.05 | mijndert | Hi there. I've just put a PHP Gallery on my Debian server, but it needs the "GD 1.0 package" for automatic thumbnail generation. Can anyone tell me how this package is called? Thanks |
| 13:02.08 | beardy | Guerin: Ok. (That's still bloat to me though..) |
| 13:02.29 | bob2 | mijndert: presumably php4-gd |
| 13:02.32 | row | mijndert: apt-cache search is your friend |
| 13:02.34 | khampf | outlaw84: think the name is "kontest" and that the author would be Con Kolivas but I'm not certain |
| 13:02.51 | outlaw84 | Seams like I'll go with the kernel compile thing.... plus some of the applications I have wrote |
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| 13:03.26 | k-dog | outlaw84: specjbb, lmbench (latency), kernel builds. Several of the general CPU / system benchmarks. |
| 13:03.33 | beardy | outlaw84: Just run 'time make-kpkg some_options' or which way you prefer compiling kernels. |
| 13:03.43 | mijndert | bob2 thanks, I'm gonna try that one out. row: When u search for libgd you get hundreds of results :P |
| 13:03.43 | khampf | outlaw84: the kontest benchmark compiles a specific kernel version to make it comparable with other systems |
| 13:03.50 | bob2 | mijndert: heh, yeah |
| 13:04.05 | Guerin | beardy: i tend to agree, though it's only a problem when you have SHITLOADS of files changing all the time. |
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| 13:04.25 | row | mijndert: apt-cache search libgd | grep -i php for example or | more | less etc :) |
| 13:04.26 | bob2 | mijndert: is this fro mthe "gallery" package? |
| 13:04.27 | beardy | Guerin: Yeah, I guess. |
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| 13:04.51 | mijndert | bob2: No, it's this SPG Gallery I found :) |
| 13:05.04 | bob2 | ah |
| 13:05.41 | mijndert | Looks pretty nice except for the thumbs =) |
| 13:05.56 | guitoune | erm, so i have qemu stable and it works perfectly since today : "Could not initialize SDL - exiting" |
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| 13:07.29 | guitoune | (on sarge) |
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| 13:08.48 | HypnoGenX | I just did an 'aptitude install libapache-mod-ssl' on a system with an existing Apache setup, and now I'm trying to get SSL support to actually work. The only guides I've been able to find on the subject all seem to assume an install from source (make certificate, etc). Anyone able to point me to any helpful resources? |
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| 13:09.28 | adii | how to see where goes my RAM ? |
| 13:09.55 | bob2 | adii: "top", fN to sort by ram |
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| 13:10.34 | [k]Chepre | can someone help me modifying a netinst-iso? already read many howtos but it doesnt work like it should :( |
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| 13:11.44 | adii | bob2,have you an idea on how comes i have more than 480mb of used RAM when gdm ain't launched ? |
| 13:12.04 | bob2 | adii: disk cache, presumablyy |
| 13:12.26 | Tortel | 99.1% of my ram is used |
| 13:12.30 | Tortel | :( |
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| 13:12.41 | bob2 | Tortel: as disk cache? |
| 13:13.06 | Guerin | !free ram |
| 13:13.06 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
| 13:13.07 | Tortel | according to the gnome system moniter, its "used memory" |
| 13:13.40 | hans0lo | I'm running "testing" and I can't locate any kernel-image packages greater than the 2.4 kernel. anyone know what the deal is? |
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| 13:13.50 | Tortel | but thats not accurite |
| 13:14.33 | Tortel | it says i have 885mb o ram, but i have 1024 |
| 13:14.43 | Sagan | hi, the fglrx ati drivers are in the distro cd´s? |
| 13:14.47 | beardy | hans0lo: The name of them is linux-image instead of kernel-image? (not sure, not running testing) |
| 13:15.12 | hans0lo | beardy: when did they change that? yeah, I see it now, thanks! |
| 13:15.19 | beardy | (and not willing to chek it for you, I might add) |
| 13:15.26 | _rene_ | beardy: a few months ago, shortly after sarge release |
| 13:15.31 | beardy | hans0lo: A while ago. |
| 13:15.33 | _rene_ | uh |
| 13:15.41 | _rene_ | s/beardy/hans0lo/ |
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| 13:18.43 | hans0lo | _rene_: is there someplace that lists all of these changes? Had a buddy just about mess up a debian box that's ontop of a radio tower cause he was upgrading to Etch after Sarge went to Stable |
| 13:19.03 | _rene_ | no. just follow the development. |
| 13:19.14 | josepho | If I have more than 3 nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf, are the other ones really being ignored ? |
| 13:19.18 | _rene_ | if you use the development branches you should know about what haooens anyway |
| 13:19.23 | _rene_ | happens |
| 13:19.39 | thewoz | I'm running an Apache server on Debian, and I've got my Windows machine running Dreamweaver able to FTP into it... But how do I set the /var/www and the /usr/lib/cgi-bin folders to be accessed from my users home directory? I've created a couple symbolic links... Is that how I should do it? |
| 13:19.53 | beardy | hans0lo: On things ontop of radiotowers, or on the moon and the like, I'd run stable. |
| 13:19.58 | kaktus | hi! can someone help me out with my java-installation? |
| 13:20.07 | josepho | !java |
| 13:20.07 | dpkg | from memory, java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 13:20.12 | kaktus | !java |
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| 13:20.22 | _rene_ | hans0lo: and for that case, well, it was obvious that testing wouldn't point to sarge anymore when sarge is stable |
| 13:20.32 | hans0lo | beardy: Yeah,I remoted in and set it to stable, so it'd stay on Sarge |
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| 13:20.59 | kaktus | <install java> |
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| 13:21.05 | _rene_ | hans0lo: a bit thinking helps, if your buddy has set it to "sarge" there wouldn't be a problem at that time |
| 13:21.06 | beardy | kaktus: /msg the bot |
| 13:21.15 | beardy | kaktus: and without the <> |
| 13:21.54 | hans0lo | thewoz: if its just for one user, chown the cgi-bin and www folders to that user, change the /etc/apache/httpd.conf to use that username, and symlink the folders to your home dir |
| 13:21.57 | josepho | you should not mention stable in /etc/apt/sources.list if you really want to stick with a release |
| 13:22.04 | josepho | you should use the release codename instead! |
| 13:22.09 | _rene_ | indeed |
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| 13:22.20 | thewoz | Also, how do I change the group that I belong to |
| 13:22.29 | josepho | thewoz: login group or groups ? |
| 13:22.36 | hans0lo | _rene_: ya learn somethign new everyday. didnt' know you could set it to the name. I thougth it was testing/stable/unstable only |
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| 13:22.54 | beardy | thewoz: You belong to many groups already, not just one. man adduser |
| 13:23.24 | thewoz | Is it safe to set my FTP login user in the root group? |
| 13:23.45 | bibe | hans0lo : take a look at the structure of a debian repository, there are some symlinks (stable->sarge, testing->etch, unstable->sid) |
| 13:24.09 | hans0lo | bibe: cool, thanks. I'll have to update all my boxen |
| 13:24.09 | beardy | thewoz: 'adduser theuser thegroup' |
| 13:24.22 | beardy | thewoz: Absolutely not. |
| 13:24.46 | bibe | hans0lo : so you can choose to use sarge, if you want to stick with a "stable" release, or "testing", if you'd like to stay up with the currente development |
| 13:24.49 | thewoz | well, if i want access to my /var/www folder via ftp- how should i do that? |
| 13:24.54 | thewoz | thanks for the help thus far |
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| 13:25.39 | sussudio | thewoz: symlink |
| 13:25.46 | josepho | symlink? |
| 13:25.49 | josepho | heh... |
| 13:26.01 | beardy | thewoz: symlink it into the the place where you have the rest of the things available via ftp. |
| 13:26.03 | [k]Chepre | can someone help me modifying a netinst-iso? already read many howtos but it doesnt work like it should :( |
| 13:26.08 | thewoz | im a newb- symbolic links as in "ln"? |
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| 13:26.17 | sussudio | thewoz: yeah n0000b. |
| 13:26.23 | beardy | thewoz: ln -s yes, it's in the manual. |
| 13:26.25 | thewoz | lol, thanks |
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| 13:26.35 | hans0lo | thewoz: ln -s /var/www /home/thewoz/ |
| 13:28.27 | mijndert | bob2 thanks for your help, thumbnails do work now :D |
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| 13:28.59 | josepho | thewoz: ln (without parm) = hard link ... |
| 13:29.00 | Howitzer | ehh |
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| 13:29.35 | josepho | thewoz: you know the difference between a symbolic and hard link, dont you ? |
| 13:29.43 | Howitzer | does anybody have an idea why i can't use ALT-GR with any other key to give me a symbol? |
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| 13:29.44 | thewoz | slightly |
| 13:29.48 | thewoz | i scanned a man on it |
| 13:30.00 | Howitzer | i can't type a monkeytail |
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| 13:30.14 | soccos | my Hardware Clock is set to UTC by my system time seems to be an hour slow - what could be up? |
| 13:30.15 | bob2 | mijndert: np |
| 13:30.33 | josepho | hard link = same innode (has to remain on same partition), sym link = true link (not limited to the same partition), etc |
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| 13:30.56 | Howitzer | does anybody have an idea why i can't use ALT-GR with any other key to give me a symbol??, i need an answer quick, sorry :/ |
| 13:31.10 | thewoz | ok thanks |
| 13:31.12 | beardy | !hurry |
| 13:31.12 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... |
| 13:31.13 | josepho | Howitzer: kbdconf issue ? |
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| 13:31.29 | Howitzer | ehh |
| 13:31.32 | Howitzer | don't know |
| 13:31.35 | Howitzer | how do i check? |
| 13:31.44 | thewoz | crap, here's another problem... I'm FTP'n into my site- I see my www symlink now. But i apparently don't have the permission to open it. Its not safe to add "thewoz" to the "root" groups, so should I change the /var/www directory group? |
| 13:31.45 | josepho | you mean char as in special char ? |
| 13:31.46 | bob2 | Howitzer: is it actually mapped as altgr? "xev" wil l say |
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| 13:32.06 | Howitzer | josepho: yes, bob2, don't know |
| 13:32.09 | josepho | thewoz: to the root group and FTP? oh my goodness |
| 13:32.12 | Howitzer | where is the kbdconf file? |
| 13:32.15 | Howitzer | in /etc/? |
| 13:32.30 | josepho | Howitzer: run kbdconfig |
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| 13:32.33 | bibe | thewoz : what permission did you create the symlink with? |
| 13:32.49 | Howitzer | root? |
| 13:32.51 | beardy | symlinks is always 777, aren't they? |
| 13:32.54 | josepho | bibe: you can not set a perm on a symlink |
| 13:32.58 | josepho | beardy: true |
| 13:33.07 | bibe | josepho : I don't think so |
| 13:33.20 | beardy | bibe: They are. |
| 13:33.22 | thewoz | ln /var/www /home/thewoz --symbolic is all i typed |
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| 13:33.33 | Howitzer | hmm |
| 13:33.36 | Howitzer | still won't work |
| 13:33.36 | bibe | josepho : sorry, I was meaning the owner... :-S |
| 13:33.42 | hans0lo | thewoz: you need a trailing forward slash |
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| 13:34.15 | Howitzer | aargh |
| 13:34.38 | thewoz | josepho: dont worry too much- this is a test server on my lan |
| 13:34.41 | Howitzer | it isn't a kbdconf issue appareantly |
| 13:34.56 | josepho | Howitzer: explain it a bit better then :) |
| 13:34.56 | beardy | thewoz: What is the permissions/ownership of /var/www, a 'ls -la /var | grep www' will tell us. |
| 13:34.56 | thewoz | i now its prob. not secure at all but im learning |
| 13:35.06 | hans0lo | thewoz: chown yourname.yourgroup /var/www |
| 13:35.13 | josepho | beardy: can be eased as ls -lad /var/www |
| 13:35.19 | thewoz | it belongs to root group |
| 13:35.35 | mxn | Hi. I'm running vncserver, and I'm trying to tell it which wm to launch when it starts X. I've placed "exec /usr/bin/openbox" in ~/.Xsession, but this doesn't seem to work. |
| 13:35.36 | Howitzer | well, normally i would do ALT-GR+2 to type a monkeytail, now nothing shows up |
| 13:35.41 | hans0lo | thewoz: then edit /etc/apache/httpd.conf and find the line that specifies www-user and change it to your user |
| 13:35.41 | thewoz | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 "date" "time" www |
| 13:35.43 | beardy | josepho: Thanks. |
| 13:35.47 | Howitzer | same as the crosses infront of an irc channel |
| 13:35.52 | thewoz | Ok, thanks |
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| 13:36.24 | josepho | beardy: the "d" option is the point |
| 13:36.24 | hans0lo | thewoz: you'll need to restart apache after you make the changes |
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| 13:36.35 | beardy | josepho: Yes, I understand that ;) |
| 13:36.36 | josepho | hans0lo: reload you mean :) |
| 13:36.36 | howitzer_ | changed client :p |
| 13:36.46 | AnArKY87 | hello |
| 13:36.57 | howitzer_ | okay |
| 13:36.59 | josepho | we are not in a windows world are we? ;) |
| 13:37.19 | hans0lo | josepho: yeah |
| 13:37.26 | howitzer_ | does anybody have an idea how i check what key is binded to ALT-GR? |
| 13:37.33 | kbailey | hi - anyone heard of any server shutdowns due to clocks changing last night |
| 13:37.35 | josepho | howitzer_: inputrc |
| 13:37.41 | hans0lo | josepho: windows is for sucks |
| 13:37.44 | josepho | howitzer_: /etc/inputrc |
| 13:38.10 | josepho | kbailey: clocks hanging? well there was a change here in CET |
| 13:38.19 | josepho | 1 hour backwards |
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| 13:38.44 | kbailey | in the UK here we had clocks go back 1 hour... |
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| 13:39.00 | josepho | kbailey: thats not an issue you know |
| 13:39.03 | kbailey | and i had a server shutdown without notice at the time the clocks changed |
| 13:39.03 | josepho | NTP is your friend :) |
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| 13:39.12 | howitzer | ehh |
| 13:39.14 | c_k | hi guys can anyone help me with some ftp server issues that I am getting |
| 13:39.15 | beardy | Lots of timezones have summertime. |
| 13:39.21 | howitzer | could anyone say that again? :o |
| 13:39.24 | _rene_ | not anymore |
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| 13:39.29 | howitzer | (on how to check keybindings) |
| 13:39.32 | kbailey | i use NTP on the server which caused the server clock to change... |
| 13:39.35 | c_k | I keep getting list errors when I try and login and cant see the contents of the directory at all, any ideas |
| 13:39.38 | _rene_ | at least here it CET DST ended this morning at 3 |
| 13:39.39 | kbailey | that may have caused the problem |
| 13:39.43 | josepho | howitzer: /etc/inputrc |
| 13:39.53 | howitzer | ty |
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| 13:40.02 | beardy | _rene_: Yes, it was not permanently removed this year either. |
| 13:40.24 | josepho | kbailey: if that would cause a problem ~ 300 servers I administer would be shut down accordingly |
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| 13:40.27 | howitzer | ehh |
| 13:40.31 | josepho | I *think* I would have heard that ;) |
| 13:40.49 | [k]Chepre | does someone got a dell poweredge-server with installed debian? need to install it on a poweredge 850 :( |
| 13:40.49 | howitzer | i can't really make anything of the inputrc file :/ |
| 13:41.04 | kbailey | yep - i'm puzzled why it's only me affected - it's a woody machine - my sarge one's were ok |
| 13:41.06 | howitzer | # $if term=rxvt |
| 13:41.07 | howitzer | # "\e[8~": end-of-line |
| 13:41.07 | howitzer | # $endif |
| 13:41.07 | josepho | dell?`*vomit* |
| 13:41.38 | dorto | is there a 'popular' personal account management software for debian/gnome? |
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| 13:41.42 | josepho | [k]Chepre: as a hint, first try to find out the REAL hardware (chipsets, etc) |
| 13:41.50 | dorto | apt-cache search account is giving a long list :P |
| 13:42.04 | [k]Chepre | josepho: WD-7000 SCSI card |
| 13:42.06 | bob2 | dorto: everyone seems to use that old gnome 1 one |
| 13:42.09 | beardy | dorto: Try bank, savings, or money instead. |
| 13:42.11 | bob2 | which I forget the name of |
| 13:42.20 | josepho | [k]Chepre: knoppix might be your friend |
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| 13:42.42 | dorto | gnu cash? |
| 13:42.46 | sdschulze | How can I cause udev not to load the nvidiafb and the prism54 drivers? |
| 13:42.53 | [k]Chepre | josepho: well i just need a working initrd but looks like debian is too stupid for that :( |
| 13:42.55 | josepho | [k]Chepre: if your controller is not supported by the kernel of the installer you probably need to debootstrap the system |
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| 13:43.08 | josepho | [k]Chepre: say that again and we will refuse to help |
| 13:43.08 | dorto | beardy: bank, savings, money are all diff softs? |
| 13:43.08 | bob2 | dorto: that's the one |
| 13:43.14 | [k]Chepre | josepho: well, i need a working installation-cd got many server |
| 13:43.20 | [Starfury^] | sit0: unknown hardware address type 776 |
| 13:43.26 | josepho | [k]Chepre: google for it |
| 13:43.29 | [Starfury^] | when trying to ifup after an ifdown |
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| 13:43.35 | hans0lo | [k]Chepre: User error, not software error |
| 13:43.51 | josepho | hans0lo: I dont like to support ppl with such an opinioun |
| 13:43.54 | [k]Chepre | josepho: already done, found some howtos but it didnt work |
| 13:44.01 | josepho | sure they did work |
| 13:44.03 | beardy | [k]Chepre: The stupid is you. (no direct offense intended, but it depends on the one behind the keyboard) |
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| 13:44.23 | [k]Chepre | hans0lo: no, software-error: the initrd of testing-netinst got /etc/fstab but if i use it i got kernel panic: cant find /etc/fstab |
| 13:44.24 | josepho | I have done quite a whole bunch of installs with CUSTOMIZED cds |
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| 13:44.42 | hans0lo | Piss off #Debian users howto: say something like "debian sucks" |
| 13:44.46 | josepho | [k]Chepre: HARDWARE COMPABILITY list |
| 13:44.50 | xaureus | how could i find out what port mysql server is running? |
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| 13:45.04 | josepho | xaureus: netstat -A inet -lnp |
| 13:45.09 | xaureus | thanks |
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| 13:45.19 | josepho | xaureus: probably listens on 3306 though (if at all on a network interface) |
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| 13:45.26 | [k]Chepre | josepho: debian are able to run on this server |
| 13:45.39 | xaureus | josepho: i want to acces the mysql database from another ip address |
| 13:45.45 | josepho | [k]Chepre: I wont support you. thnx |
| 13:46.00 | [k]Chepre | josepho: sorry? whats happened now? |
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| 13:46.16 | [k]Chepre | im just trying to install debian since 8 days! |
| 13:46.19 | josepho | xaureus: you need to customize the /etc/mysql/... conf file for that issue though |
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| 13:46.43 | josepho | [k]Chepre: I offer you professional support. 100 US-$ / hour. |
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| 13:47.00 | [k]Chepre | josepho: ok |
| 13:47.20 | josepho | nothing more or less for a DELL issue :P |
| 13:47.28 | [Starfury^] | anyone? |
| 13:47.30 | [Starfury^] | sit0: unknown hardware address type 776 |
| 13:47.32 | [Starfury^] | when trying to ifup after an ifdown |
| 13:47.50 | [k]Chepre | you get 200$ for creating a 100% working netinst-iso with 2.614 kernel and latest working initrd |
| 13:48.00 | josepho | heh |
| 13:48.04 | [k]Chepre | query me and send me your account info |
| 13:48.22 | josepho | [k]Chepre: I am not interested :) |
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| 13:48.37 | [k]Chepre | 14:46:46] <josepho> [k]Chepre: I offer you professional support. 100 US-$ / hour. ... so you're a liar? |
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| 13:48.45 | josepho | no |
| 13:48.55 | josepho | I am not interested in doing the work for you |
| 13:49.05 | josepho | I said SUPPORT not do the whole work |
| 13:49.08 | Shorty` | anyone know how to use sed/grep/awk to strip everything that ISNT an integer out of something? |
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| 13:49.10 | [k]Chepre | josepho: ok then support me ;) |
| 13:49.26 | josepho | heh |
| 13:49.49 | jimmyjoe | I'm moving from Fedora to Debian Sarge. Which ftp server to use: vsftp or proftp? |
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| 13:50.27 | josepho | [k]Chepre: first create a list of ALL included hardware (chipsets, etc). then come back. use knoppix or whatever for that task |
| 13:50.28 | [k]Chepre | jimmyjoe: depens on what you like, i prefer proftpd |
| 13:50.28 | bibe | jimmyjoe : what ftp server were you using? |
| 13:50.43 | jimmyjoe | vsftp on Fedora |
| 13:50.50 | josepho | jimjam: I recommend vsftpd for performance and security |
| 13:51.04 | bibe | jimmyjoe : and what version? is it available on debian sarge? |
| 13:51.10 | [k]Chepre | josepho: this isnt professional support but ok, i take a look |
| 13:51.31 | Shorty` | anyone? |
| 13:51.38 | jimmyjoe | both vsftp and proftp available for Sarge. there was no default ftp in base install |
| 13:51.44 | josepho | [k]Chepre: I dont care. I have more important toppics on my list! |
| 13:51.53 | Sagan | what´s the advantage for debian with Suse? |
| 13:51.59 | Shorty` | there seems to be an odd control character or something in something a program is returning, I wanna strip it out |
| 13:52.01 | Shorty` | any ideas? |
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| 13:52.10 | josepho | Sagan: please do not start this type of discussion here |
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| 13:52.23 | josepho | Sagan: difference is for instance package management system, etc |
| 13:52.27 | dorto | what is the best command line to create a user(what do you use)? with home directory and all that? |
| 13:52.31 | bibe | jimmyjoe : so use vsftpd, if you used it on fedora you won't have to change much of the configuration file(s) |
| 13:52.33 | dorto | i always created users from X |
| 13:52.46 | josepho | dorto: adduser |
| 13:52.46 | Shorty` | Sagan, debian is neat, we like it. we like it because it's debian. |
| 13:52.47 | Shorty` | :) |
| 13:53.07 | valdyn | dorto: adduser |
| 13:53.11 | dorto | josepho: complete cmd line, i mean adduser -d /home/ddd etc |
| 13:53.13 | josepho | Sagan: debian is known for its very robust package management system, apt-get way to install stuff, etc |
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| 13:53.25 | valdyn | dorto: just adduser <name> |
| 13:53.26 | dorto | equivalent of what GUI tools do |
| 13:53.26 | lindi- | josepho: yes, it is true that only 3 nameservers in resolv.conf count |
| 13:53.27 | josepho | dorto: plz consult the manpage |
| 13:53.27 | bibe | dorto : adduser is self-explaining |
| 13:53.31 | [k]Chepre | josepho: perhaps but i think you dont get money for that topics? |
| 13:53.31 | dorto | k |
| 13:53.36 | Sagan | :o |
| 13:53.41 | josepho | [k]Chepre: I do |
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| 13:54.24 | lindi- | josepho: apt-get source glibc ; grep -r \"nameserver\" . will show you that |
| 13:54.33 | josepho | [k]Chepre: check http://www.debian.org/consultants/ |
| 13:54.40 | marthijn | hi guys, Macromedia Flash sounds is only 'clicks' (very short fragments, no good sound), does anyone know how to fix this? |
| 13:54.42 | Miesco | Do I have to type this: xrdb -merge .Xresources? |
| 13:54.52 | josepho | lindi-: will show me what? the 3 ns limit ? |
| 13:55.01 | josepho | Miesco: for what task ß |
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| 13:55.03 | josepho | task* |
| 13:55.10 | xaureus | by default, mysql server only listens to 127.0.0.1 and i want to listen to localhost and an external ip; how could i do that without allowing anyone to acces my sql server? |
| 13:55.20 | Miesco | josepho: For xterm |
| 13:55.39 | dorto | how to disallow ssh access to root from remote machines? |
| 13:55.44 | josepho | xaureus: check /etc/mysql directory for - probably mysqld.conf ... |
| 13:55.45 | lindi- | josepho: it will show you that it will read only first three nameserver lines from resolv.conf |
| 13:55.51 | abrotman | dorto: man sshd_config |
| 13:55.52 | bbrazil | dorto: man sshd_config |
| 13:55.57 | paivakil | dorto: read the faq |
| 13:55.57 | dorto | k |
| 13:55.58 | josepho | dorto: PermitRootLogin no |
| 13:56.05 | dorto | thx |
| 13:56.15 | josepho | lindi-: I tested that already thanks though :) |
| 13:56.33 | josepho | dorto: I recommend public keys rather than passwords also |
| 13:57.02 | josepho | lindi-: you are from .FI? thats cool ;) |
| 13:57.30 | abrotman | yeah ... we can't all be from montana |
| 13:57.39 | josepho | lol abrotman |
| 13:57.48 | dorto | josepho: yeah i use public key |
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| 13:58.12 | dorto | i wanted to disable root to login either using password or using keys |
| 13:58.25 | josepho | dorto: well I do have 2 different SSH configs |
| 13:58.42 | josepho | dorto: one which is just for single user mode and one for normal operation mode |
| 13:59.07 | amorphix | which is more powerful. Intel Celeron 400 or Intel Pentium 3-500 |
| 13:59.08 | josepho | dorto: single user mode with a pretty long key... |
| 13:59.12 | dorto | josepho: can man help me with creating a single user mode config? |
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| 13:59.18 | setog3 | I want to try software suspend 2 , I use debian kernek image, must I rebuild my patch my kernel and rebuild , or can I use software suspend with a kernel-image buy debian ? |
| 13:59.21 | dvs | amblin: Pentium 3-500 |
| 13:59.26 | amorphix | thanks |
| 13:59.32 | josepho | dorto: a bit maybe (as a hint) |
| 13:59.33 | dvs | amorphix: no prob |
| 13:59.45 | lindi- | josepho: sure, i just couldn't resist grepping because i already had the sources unpacked |
| 13:59.46 | dorto | josepho: i have a public ip where i want to allow only one user to access it |
| 13:59.47 | signius_ | PIII chips were one of the best chips Intel made |
| 13:59.49 | josepho | fact is you need to start ssh in init 1 only with a different command line option (for a different config file) |
| 13:59.59 | amorphix | which is more powerful now: Celeron 800 or P3-500 |
| 14:00.01 | abrotman | signius: well .. they've only made IV :) |
| 14:00.08 | dvs | signius: And that's why they are going back to that design in the next generation |
| 14:00.08 | josepho | lindi-: heh |
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| 14:00.26 | signius_ | they made alot more than 4 chip types |
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| 14:00.44 | amorphix | I have a P3-700 workstation, a P3-600 laptop and a P3-550 server |
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| 14:00.50 | josepho | lindi-: well the workaround is to have a local bind server as 3rd nameserver which then does forwarding to more servers *g* |
| 14:00.50 | abrotman | some people have no humor |
| 14:01.17 | amorphix | what is Celeron for then |
| 14:01.18 | josepho | but well ... in that way you can also put it as #1 ;) |
| 14:01.36 | beardy | !pal abrotman |
| 14:01.53 | josepho | !lick abrotman |
| 14:01.53 | josepho | :P |
| 14:01.57 | abrotman | !pap beardy |
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| 14:02.03 | setog3 | !abrotman |
| 14:02.03 | dpkg | hmm... abrotman is someone we want to win the calendar poll on http://www.itsallpetesfault.org/ is also abrotman is http://abrotman.needs.help/, or obsessed with useless factoids, or "<abrotman> sgeigerbot: are you still sore at me?" |
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| 14:02.24 | goccia | dorto: check debian hardening manual, crating group wheel and /etc/sshusers-allowed might be what you are looking for |
| 14:02.29 | amorphix | is P2 obselete? |
| 14:02.38 | bob2 | it's old |
| 14:02.42 | beardy | amorphix: No. |
| 14:02.44 | abrotman | it's not obsolete |
| 14:02.45 | dvs | amorphix: It still works with Debian |
| 14:02.52 | goccia | s/creating/crating/ |
| 14:02.54 | josepho | goccia: this one does not outline the single user way though ;) |
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| 14:03.22 | Miesco | I changed xterm with xrdb, how do I change it back? |
| 14:03.31 | amorphix | its damn slow eh |
| 14:03.35 | goccia | josepho: i've never tried to delete root from /etc/sshusers-allowed :) |
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| 14:03.43 | dvs | amorphix: For a workstation, yes |
| 14:03.44 | josepho | heh |
| 14:03.50 | beardy | abrotman: I never got any pap.. |
| 14:03.55 | josepho | goccia: you cant SSH when being in init 1 :P |
| 14:04.01 | beardy | abrotman: You do it instead. |
| 14:04.03 | xaureus | i want to download something with wget using a proxy; is that possible? |
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| 14:04.10 | abrotman | dpkg: poke and prod beardy |
| 14:04.28 | beardy | yuck |
| 14:04.31 | amorphix | gruesome |
| 14:04.31 | josepho | a Red Hat users finger? wtf |
| 14:05.15 | thingfish | it's halloween! |
| 14:05.16 | amorphix | dpkg in halloween mode |
| 14:05.16 | paivakil | xaureus: man wget |
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| 14:05.16 | xaureus | paivakil: yes, i've done that |
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| 14:05.24 | xaureus | but i don't find where to specify the ip address and port |
| 14:05.51 | deepan | is there a web based ssh interface ? |
| 14:06.04 | abrotman | no |
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| 14:06.15 | abrotman | or ask google |
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| 14:06.43 | paivakil | xaureus: /etc/wgetrc |
| 14:06.51 | roconnor | I'm looking for a place to ask a JFS question. |
| 14:07.12 | abrotman | for what distro ? |
| 14:07.17 | paivakil | xaureus: read the file, it is self explanatory |
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| 14:07.41 | roconnor | well I'm running kubuntu, but the distro probably isn't too important. |
| 14:07.50 | abrotman | yes it is |
| 14:07.52 | nvz | time to stop drinking. I feel like crap :P |
| 14:07.55 | roconnor | oh |
| 14:08.03 | abrotman | robertbb: we have no idea what thier kernel has in it |
| 14:08.11 | thingfish | nvz: you mean for good? |
| 14:08.12 | nvz | if you spend a whole week being drunk I suppose thats what happens |
| 14:08.14 | amorphix | anyone have good things to say about toshiba tecra |
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| 14:08.45 | dli | ntp doesn't settle down. :( ntpd[8499]: time reset +3.207253 s |
| 14:08.59 | abrotman | amorphix: get one ? |
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| 14:09.05 | roconnor | Anyhow, I have a JFS file system spanning two partitions, and I would like to mount it under linux. |
| 14:09.18 | dli | maybe I forgot something in kernel for smp? |
| 14:09.19 | abrotman | roconnor: ask #kubuntu |
| 14:09.20 | amorphix | im gonna make a cheeseburger |
| 14:09.22 | hans0lo | I have a Xircom Realport PCMCIA card. Network interface works perfect. Can't get the modem part of the card to work. anyone used these cards before? |
| 14:09.29 | abrotman | failing that .. ask #linux |
| 14:09.36 | roconnor | thanks |
| 14:09.50 | amorphix | hans0lo: i have one, i cant get the network OR the modem part to work, so you're ahead of me |
| 14:10.17 | amorphix | i think my card might be fried tho, not sure |
| 14:10.19 | setog3 | ok no response so I think , I must recompile , when I recompile , I always forgett something, and after I have a kernel panic , I think it's ext3 .. but must I add something ? |
| 14:10.25 | hans0lo | amorphix: I'm running the latest kernel. Insert the card and it adds eth0. I just have to ifup eth0 |
| 14:10.32 | signius_ | is there no man pages for hostap ? |
| 14:10.53 | amorphix | hans0lo: sounds like my card is fried then as i have latest kernel also |
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| 14:12.02 | hans0lo | amorphix: yeah, could be. My laptop has an internal modem, but it's a winmodem, and I dont feel like messing with it. |
| 14:12.16 | dorto | what is the command to copy the ssh public key to a remote machine? |
| 14:12.28 | dorto | someone recommended that to me over simple scp-copy |
| 14:12.29 | dvs | dorto: --send-key |
| 14:12.39 | bob2 | ssh-copy-id |
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| 14:12.47 | hans0lo | dorto: scp /path/to/file user@host:.ssh/ |
| 14:12.48 | dorto | yes :) |
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| 14:12.54 | fooscope_ | amorphix: a week ago, i got network running without killing my laptop by switching from the xircom_tulip_cb to the de4x5 module |
| 14:13.11 | stjepan | what name for program sounds better: slapatoo or slapat or slpat? |
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| 14:13.28 | thingfish | I like slapat. |
| 14:13.32 | hans0lo | fooscope_: have you been able to use the modem portion of the card? |
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| 14:14.43 | stjepan | thingfish: slapat vs slpat - what do you think? slpat sounds more geeky :) |
| 14:14.54 | fooscope_ | hans0lo: it is a type 3 or whatever xircom call them. no modem on network. I've got evil ltmodem working though. but now replaced with ext modem |
| 14:15.00 | thingfish | stjepan: too geeky, if you ask me. |
| 14:15.01 | abrotman | stjepan: like splat ? |
| 14:15.10 | stjepan | no |
| 14:15.11 | nvz | yay, ginger ale. for a while there I thought I was going to have to bleaahhh but I am feeling better now :P |
| 14:16.02 | stjepan | ok tnx |
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| 14:16.12 | user01 | is utf-8 the best way to go or a latin9 ? |
| 14:16.20 | setog3 | !make-kpkg |
| 14:16.20 | dpkg | from memory, make-kpkg is the Debian Way (tm) to deal with kernel compiling - it makes a package for your Kustom Kernel (tm) which you can install/remove easily (tm) with the dpkg (pat. pend.) mechanisms. 'apt-get install kernel-package' then 'man make-kpkg' =), or see also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html or ask me about <kp mantra> |
| 14:16.21 | bob2 | utf-8 if you can |
| 14:16.33 | user01 | bob2: thanks |
| 14:16.40 | setog3 | !kp mantra |
| 14:16.40 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is export MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.4 HOSTCC=gcc-3.4"; make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image; |
| 14:17.00 | setog3 | !initrd |
| 14:17.00 | dpkg | somebody said initrd was initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
| 14:17.13 | nvz | abrotman: well It does kinda looks like a fly after you blast it with a phonebook |
| 14:18.47 | abrotman | nvz: yinzers are so into overkill |
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| 14:19.13 | setog3 | dpkg is terrible ! I love this bot |
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| 14:20.57 | nvz | abrotman: we dont know the meaning of overkill everything is Uge round here |
| 14:21.16 | DHGE | hi - had anyone you succes with nvidia binary driver and kernel-image-2.6.14 from sid? |
| 14:21.45 | dli | DHGE, I use vanilla kernel 2.6.14 |
| 14:21.56 | user01 | the ACNOR/CSA Z243.200 keyboard is pretty cool...it is missing the euro but i think it can handle the entire latin1 |
| 14:21.58 | phildo | man |
| 14:21.59 | franklin | how to add comments to an existing bug with reportbug ? (reportbug doesn't show bug #336450 in list of bugs for linux-image-2.6.14-1-686) ? |
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| 14:22.16 | nvz | this is just what I want when I feel like shit.. to be fighting with my damn phone |
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| 14:22.25 | beardy | !tot abrotman |
| 14:22.26 | dpkg | abrotman: Trick or treat! Give me some candy or I'll set fire to a bag of dogshit on your porch. |
| 14:22.38 | DHGE | i have apt-listbugs - no show there |
| 14:22.38 | dorto | is there a global profile file? like .bash_profile for individual users? |
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| 14:22.55 | dorto | which applies to entire system/all users? |
| 14:23.13 | pem3v78 | dorto: /etc/profile |
| 14:23.30 | dorto | k |
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| 14:24.12 | abrotman | !trick beardy |
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| 14:24.25 | dorto | pem3v78: it needs to be 'source'd somewhere? |
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| 14:24.34 | abrotman | !treat beardy |
| 14:24.36 | DHGE | dli you have nvidia working with 2.6.14? |
| 14:24.38 | abrotman | beardy: oh well |
| 14:24.39 | newbie | Hello everyone |
| 14:24.55 | Sylvisj | What's a good p2p client for linux? |
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| 14:25.22 | DHGE | Sylvisj: i like Limewire |
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| 14:25.31 | pem3v78 | mldonkey |
| 14:25.37 | franklin | how to add a comment to an existing bug with reportbug ? (i fount bug #336450 on bugs.debian.org, but report bug doesn't list it for package linux-image-2.6.14-1-686) ? |
| 14:25.37 | dacer | hi, where can I find kernel 2.6.11 or newer image, source and headers for amd64??? |
| 14:25.37 | DHGE | needs java |
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| 14:25.49 | fooscope_ | Sylvisj:nicotine is a soulseek client |
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| 14:26.08 | dacer | I'm searching in ftp or amd64 homepage and I can't find it |
| 14:26.10 | Sylvisj | Fooscope_, I have no clue what that is. DHGE, I'll have to install JRE? |
| 14:26.21 | dli | DHGE, sure |
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| 14:26.26 | abrotman | Sylvisj: gtk-gnutella |
| 14:26.30 | DHGE | Sylvisj: yes |
| 14:26.36 | beardy | abrotman: Try tot, add more things :) |
| 14:26.42 | abrotman | !tot beardy |
| 14:26.43 | dpkg | beardy: Trick or treat! Give me some candy or I'll put a dead badger in your mailbox. |
| 14:26.44 | Sylvisj | abrotman: what is that? |
| 14:26.53 | abrotman | !info gtk-gnutella |
| 14:26.57 | abrotman | !tot beardy |
| 14:26.59 | dpkg | beardy: Trick or treat! Give me some candy or I'll ring your doorbell and run away. |
| 14:27.02 | dpkg | gtk-gnutella: (shares files in a peer to peer network), section net, is optional. Version: 0.95.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1638 kB, Installed size: 5832 kB |
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| 14:27.10 | Sylvisj | Alrighty. |
| 14:27.39 | DHGE | dli_: too bad - i switched to images - no fancy HW here - wanted to save the time to configure and compile |
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| 14:28.51 | dli | DHGE, then, you just use "nv" in xorg |
| 14:29.32 | DHGE | dli nope - 1600x1200 90deg lft rotated :-( |
| 14:29.38 | Sylvisj | !java |
| 14:29.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
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| 14:31.00 | deufo | i got 2 80 gig hard disk, how should i partion it for a ssh + ftp server? |
| 14:31.02 | abrotman | yay .. i d'nt have to move! |
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| 14:31.50 | hawking | hi I need a nice sniffer to sniff the connection between me and a web-page and according to it I'll write a programme |
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| 14:32.34 | hawking | hi I need a nice sniffer to sniff the connection between me and a web-page and according to it I'll write a programme |
| 14:32.44 | bob2 | hawking: to do what? |
| 14:32.57 | hawking | well I want to learn how a value is sent to the page |
| 14:33.01 | hawking | and I'll make the programme send that value |
| 14:33.08 | dorto | what will be processed first, /etc/fstab or /etc/profile? |
| 14:33.14 | dorto | looks like /etc/fstab... |
| 14:33.20 | hawking | in Windows there is a programme called Proximitron that does that |
| 14:33.24 | hawking | maybe you know |
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| 14:33.28 | hawking | any progs that run under linux |
| 14:33.30 | hawking | ? |
| 14:33.33 | bob2 | there are lots |
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| 14:33.38 | bob2 | tcpdump is the obvious one |
| 14:33.42 | bob2 | and wwwrec |
| 14:33.56 | dorto | hawking: tcpdump and if you like GUIs then ethereal |
| 14:33.59 | bob2 | but you're making this sound way more complicated than it is |
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| 14:34.14 | DHGE | hawking: privoxy, less fuss than Proximitron but cuts the mustard for me |
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| 14:34.23 | hawking | does privoxy run under linux? |
| 14:34.29 | nvz | iaft! |
| 14:34.30 | lawnchair | whats the best way to just upgrade one debian package |
| 14:34.32 | Guerin | hawking: duh |
| 14:34.45 | hawking | Guerin: what? |
| 14:34.52 | dorto | apt-get install automatically test for new packages and upgrades i guess |
| 14:34.54 | bibe | lawnchair : apt-get install <package> |
| 14:34.58 | dvs | lawnchair: download the .deb file and install it using dpkg |
| 14:35.05 | lawnchair | ok |
| 14:35.08 | lawnchair | thanks |
| 14:35.10 | Guerin | hawking: fgi |
| 14:35.17 | jt_ | can anyone tell me how to boot my cdrom drive with grub? |
| 14:35.22 | bibe | lawnchair : apt-get install will eventually upgrade any required dependency |
| 14:35.22 | jt_ | its not booting otherwise |
| 14:35.25 | DHGE | lawnchair: apt-get install name-of-the-package |
| 14:35.36 | lawnchair | it says it the newest version |
| 14:35.38 | lawnchair | i know its tno though |
| 14:35.44 | dli | dvs: don't do that, use apt-get install instead |
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| 14:35.53 | twixter | i sent a msg to dpkg asking for guidlines, but dpkg has not answered- |
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| 14:36.00 | dli | lawnchair, did you apt-get update |
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| 14:36.19 | DHGE | lawnchair: you will get the LATEST debian-package, maybe not upstream |
| 14:36.21 | lawnchair | my fault, its upgrading |
| 14:36.23 | dvs | dli: If he wants to upgrade only one package, that's the way to do. apt-get update will update ALL packages. |
| 14:36.23 | surfdue | how to i turn a folder into a tar.gz? |
| 14:36.25 | surfdue | i forget |
| 14:36.28 | lawnchair | thanks again guys |
| 14:36.57 | thingfish | apt-get update will only update sources.list. |
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| 14:37.07 | hawking | do any of you know php here? |
| 14:37.08 | dli | dvs: "apt-get update" updates the package lists only |
| 14:37.25 | DHGE | dvs man apt-get update vs UPGRADE ;-) |
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| 14:37.29 | dorto | surfdue: tar zcv -f file.tar.gz files |
| 14:37.37 | dvs | dli: And then "apt-get upgrade" will upgrade ALL the packages that need upgrading, not just one package. |
| 14:37.48 | twixter | is dpkg working today? |
| 14:37.55 | jt_ | can someone tell me how to boot my cdrom drive with the grub command line? |
| 14:38.01 | nvz | twixter: yes |
| 14:38.01 | dli | dvs: we said "apt-get install" not apt-get upgrade |
| 14:38.05 | Miesco | I changed the resources for xterm, how do I change them back? |
| 14:38.09 | Miesco | to defaults |
| 14:38.14 | DHGE | !twixter |
| 14:38.28 | dorto | !aol |
| 14:38.29 | dpkg | somebody said aol was for people who dont know the highway from the driveway, or army of losers. They are teaming up with Sony to fight |
| 14:38.36 | dorto | working :) |
| 14:38.44 | dli | jt_: interesting question :) which I also want to know |
| 14:39.03 | nvz | dpkg, are you working? |
| 14:39.04 | jt_ | dli, i know.. |
| 14:39.08 | jt_ | grub doesn't support cdrom |
| 14:39.11 | jt_ | damnit |
| 14:39.14 | Sylvisj | How do I set this |
| 14:39.14 | jt_ | any hoo |
| 14:39.16 | Sylvisj | Grr |
| 14:39.34 | Sylvisj | How do I set this up so that I can make directories, etc. when not on root? |
| 14:39.58 | Miesco | dli: Do you know how to use the X toolkit resources? |
| 14:40.01 | abrotman | dpkg: work damn you |
| 14:40.04 | bbrazil | Sylvisj: what are you trying to do? |
| 14:40.06 | dli | jt_: also, I can use grub to boot from NIC? |
| 14:40.12 | twixter | please send me the guidelines dpkg, thanks |
| 14:40.26 | hawking | can someone help me pls? I am trying to write a programme which will send a value to "http://gdataonline.com/seekhash.php" I try to send it as "http://gdataonline.com/seekhash.php?hash=xxx" can anyone show me a way to send it likely? |
| 14:40.29 | dli | Miesco, what's that? I don't know :( |
| 14:40.40 | Miesco | dli: Like .Xresources |
| 14:40.43 | Sylvisj | Right now I'm follow dpkg's instructions for installing java, and some of the automated part is trying to make directores but failing |
| 14:40.50 | nvz | dpkg, tell twixter -about guidelines |
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| 14:41.19 | dli | Miesco, for me, I don't touch them :( I request myself to stay n00b |
| 14:41.20 | bbrazil | Sylvisj: are your triny to make a package, or just compling? |
| 14:41.25 | bbrazil | *trying |
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| 14:41.52 | dorto | hawking: that site is sending the data through 'POST' method and not 'GET' method |
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| 14:41.57 | nvz | I think I need to just eat some soup or something or this nausea is never going to go away |
| 14:42.06 | Sylvisj | bbrazil, making a package. |
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| 14:42.16 | dorto | hawking: you can't send the data through URL in this case. it has to be encapsulated in the body of the request |
| 14:42.16 | bbrazil | Sylvisj: which dpkg factoid? |
| 14:42.25 | hawking | dorto : I see thanks |
| 14:42.31 | nvz | its probably not even the alcohol. its probably all from that Wendy's I had yesturday :P |
| 14:42.44 | dorto | hawking: you can write a small program to do it |
| 14:42.47 | abrotman | primanti bros ? |
| 14:42.56 | thingfish | nvz: I always found high-fat foods to be soothing after a night of heavy drinking. BBQ ribs work really well. |
| 14:43.04 | dorto | heh |
| 14:43.05 | Sylvisj | dpkg -i |
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| 14:43.11 | hawking | dorto: yeah ok |
| 14:43.19 | stjepan | may I ask offtopic question? |
| 14:43.34 | dorto | that itself was offtopic ;) |
| 14:43.37 | amorphix | i need a laptop with unbreakable hinges, ive been thru 3 now |
| 14:43.39 | nvz | yeah well I am gonna make oodles-of-noodles as soon as I can get myself up |
| 14:43.57 | dli | amorphix, I got one here, compaq presario |
| 14:43.57 | Sylvisj | ramen noodles are pretty good for a normal meal actually. |
| 14:44.03 | stjepan | how much bandwidth does sourceforge give you? |
| 14:44.04 | dvs | amorphix: planned obsolesence |
| 14:44.06 | abrotman | nvz: roll over |
| 14:44.08 | Sylvisj | I gotta get a laptop period. |
| 14:44.11 | thingfish | I love them, eat them all the time. |
| 14:44.13 | dorto | what's the issue with emule - its not secure or not truly gpl? |
| 14:44.16 | amorphix | dli: is that one of the old skool of heavy durable cases types? |
| 14:44.17 | Sylvisj | Ramen noodles good :D |
| 14:44.17 | nvz | they cost like what $0.34 each |
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| 14:44.21 | twixter | You should get a ruggedized laptop |
| 14:44.22 | abrotman | stjepan: i think there's a #sourceforge .. and i don't think there's a limit |
| 14:44.24 | dorto | why debian doesn't show emule in apt-cache search? |
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| 14:44.27 | Sylvisj | Soemthing like that, NVZ. |
| 14:44.36 | twixter | like the military uses |
| 14:44.37 | stjepan | abrotman: no limit? really? |
| 14:44.40 | dli | amorphix, nothing from compaq is durable |
| 14:44.42 | thingfish | They're really good with a little sesame oil on top. |
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| 14:44.47 | Sylvisj | bbrazil, dpkg -i |
| 14:44.47 | abrotman | stjepan: it has to be an open source project |
| 14:44.51 | amorphix | yeah maybe I should get a toshiba satelite or tecra |
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| 14:44.53 | stjepan | abrotman: I want to have big database |
| 14:45.03 | abrotman | stjepan: big database of what ? |
| 14:45.11 | amorphix | i dunno if IBM is strong |
| 14:45.14 | dli | amorphix, what about asus? I heard it's good |
| 14:45.17 | nvz | I am done with x86 laptops. they all suck AFAIC |
| 14:45.18 | stjepan | just big database. may I put it on sourceforge? |
| 14:45.25 | amorphix | many people say it is tho here |
| 14:45.32 | bbrazil | Sylvisj: that doesn't answer my question. which factiod from dpkg are you following? |
| 14:45.33 | dli | amorphix, the price of ibm is still strong |
| 14:45.33 | abrotman | stjepan: you just want to put your database on sourceforge ? |
| 14:45.36 | nvz | IBMs are fairly strong though |
| 14:45.40 | amorphix | hehe not the stock |
| 14:45.43 | fooscope | dorto: packages.debian.org perhaps |
| 14:45.44 | amorphix | the IBM Thinkpads |
| 14:45.50 | nvz | they are far from solid |
| 14:45.54 | amorphix | oh |
| 14:46.00 | dli | amorphix, thinkpad is official Chinese, I think |
| 14:46.02 | amorphix | IBM thinkpads also break on hinges? |
| 14:46.04 | nvz | but close as you can get with that market |
| 14:46.09 | dvs | Lenovo ThinkPad |
| 14:46.11 | dorto | stjepan: there is no 'mysql' etc available at sourceforge, if that is what you are thinking |
| 14:46.16 | abrotman | nvz: my TP is just fine .. |
| 14:46.17 | stjepan | abrotman: yes, database for my program |
| 14:46.24 | abrotman | stjepan: is your program open source? |
| 14:46.25 | amorphix | Toshiba is where it's at then eh |
| 14:46.33 | dli | amorphix, never heard of a thinkpad with loose hinges |
| 14:46.37 | amorphix | oh |
| 14:46.39 | stjepan | abrotman: yes, it is on sourceforge |
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| 14:46.46 | Sylvisj | Well, now all I have to do is figure out how to get Firefox to use java... |
| 14:46.53 | abrotman | stjepan: i'm not even sure they do database hosting .. you'd have to ask them |
| 14:46.54 | twixter | I have a dual boot system. How can I mount Windows partitions in Linux? |
| 14:47.00 | nvz | the first strength test I administer at the store is to open the lid and hold the laptop firmly from each of the 4 corners and if it bends or in any way gives into its own weight from any of the 4 corners, its junk and not portable. |
| 14:47.01 | amorphix | HP let me down |
| 14:47.04 | stjepan | abrotman: ok tnx |
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| 14:47.08 | dli | amorphix, I consider toshiba as worse then compaq |
| 14:47.14 | amorphix | seriously? |
| 14:47.18 | Sylvisj | Twixter, depends on the file system. |
| 14:47.22 | amorphix | dli: why? |
| 14:47.23 | twixter | Debian |
| 14:47.32 | MrCoYoTe | Yop |
| 14:47.40 | amorphix | compaq,hp = american |
| 14:47.41 | Sylvisj | That's not a file system. The windows partition is either FAT32 or NTFS. Do you know which? |
| 14:47.45 | dvs | twixter: FILE SYSTEM, fat ntfs... |
| 14:47.46 | twixter | WIndows uses FAT32 and FAT16 |
| 14:47.48 | amorphix | toshiba = japanese |
| 14:47.50 | nvz | usually the battery and the screen are heaviest so it will usually bend when holding it from 3 of the 4 corners with junk laptops like compaq |
| 14:47.50 | dli | amorphix, really, my experience with HP was quite smooth |
| 14:48.01 | twixter | i have two Windows partitions |
| 14:48.08 | dli | amorphix, sony is okay, toshiba is big no |
| 14:48.10 | Sylvisj | Which one are you trying to mount, FAT32 or FAT16? |
| 14:48.15 | amorphix | hp workstations and servers faultless |
| 14:48.15 | abrotman | twixter: NTFS or FAT ? |
| 14:48.18 | amorphix | but laptops suck |
| 14:48.18 | twixter | i would like to be able to mount both |
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| 14:48.50 | Sylvisj | abrotman: He said the windows partitions are using FAT32 and 16. If he's using NTFS and tries to mount, he's playin it risky. |
| 14:48.53 | amorphix | i would say a big no to HP or anything american designed |
| 14:48.57 | twixter | but if only one is mounted, that will be okay |
| 14:49.01 | amorphix | i want japanese |
| 14:49.08 | abrotman | Sylvisj: thanks for the update |
| 14:49.09 | dli | abrotman, is windows going to use something even fancier than ntfs? |
| 14:49.11 | abrotman | !vfatrw |
| 14:49.11 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS. |
| 14:49.19 | thingfish | I was under the impression that all laptops were manufactured in Taiwan. |
| 14:49.20 | abrotman | dli: when? |
| 14:49.35 | amorphix | what i dont understand is why laptops only have 2 hinges! it makes no sense at all |
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| 14:49.45 | amorphix | if you had a heavy door would you hang it on 2 small hinges??! |
| 14:49.48 | abrotman | dli: they were going to use WinFS for Vista ... but i think it's out |
| 14:49.50 | dli | amorphix, then, try ibm, it's chinese now, no more american thinkpad |
| 14:49.52 | beardy | amorphix: better than one? |
| 14:49.59 | amorphix | 4 hinges should be minimum |
| 14:50.06 | bbrazil | abrotman: winfs goes on top of ntfs |
| 14:50.09 | amorphix | to balance the strain |
| 14:50.10 | abrotman | dli: http://msdn.microsoft.com/data/WinFS/default.aspx |
| 14:50.18 | twixter | thanks very much! |
| 14:50.19 | dorto | i prefer always 'pulling' the data into windows using explore2fs |
| 14:50.24 | abrotman | bbrazil: but you'd have to mount as ntfs or winfs from linux ? |
| 14:50.25 | Sylvisj | I'm not getting a laptop until I can afford one with at least an A64 4000+ cpu and 7800 graphics. |
| 14:50.30 | dli | abrotman, and designed to keep linux users out? |
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| 14:50.42 | abrotman | dli: dunno .. i don't work for MS :) |
| 14:51.02 | amorphix | i should design my own laptop eh |
| 14:51.05 | SnuS | hello. horde3/imp4 question. is there any way to make IMP use the real name from /etc/passwd for the users as the default identity name ? |
| 14:51.07 | MASoft | how can I install rar in my computer ?! |
| 14:51.08 | bbrazil | abrotman: as ntfs. winfs is essentially a DB sitting in SVI with indexes of the FS, as I understand it |
| 14:51.14 | Sylvisj | amorphix: Good luck with that. |
| 14:51.15 | beardy | !rar |
| 14:51.16 | dpkg | rar is probably an archiver used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz, or the worst file format ever, or ask me about unrar |
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| 14:51.19 | amorphix | :-) |
| 14:51.29 | abrotman | bbrazil: holds the metadata for files basically ? |
| 14:51.29 | MASoft | !unrar |
| 14:51.29 | dpkg | hmm... unrar is a non-free package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about unrar-free |
| 14:51.31 | dli | amorphix, go asus, it's taiwanese :) and it's good |
| 14:51.41 | lindi- | dli: abrotman: http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/ext2fsd has read-write support for ext2 from windows. just keep your data on ext2 and it'll work from both systems |
| 14:51.44 | bbrazil | abrotman: something like that. haven't used it |
| 14:51.51 | abrotman | lindi-: i know |
| 14:51.53 | Sylvisj | Asus has the only fluent english-speaking tech support I've seen. |
| 14:51.54 | abrotman | !explore2fs |
| 14:51.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, explore2fs is a win32 utility that lets you read and write(at your own risk!) ext2 file systems under win9x/nt/2000. URL: http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/ [Ask me about ext2ifs] |
| 14:52.14 | dli | amorphix, also, you can buy asus without buying windows |
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| 14:52.22 | amorphix | sounds good |
| 14:52.23 | dli | lindi-, what about reiserfs? |
| 14:52.36 | lindi- | dli: i know almost nothing about it |
| 14:52.42 | Phated | Pushing it, aren't we? :) |
| 14:52.46 | amorphix | everything is made in the far east these days |
| 14:52.48 | thingfish | hehe |
| 14:52.56 | sm | hi all.. how can I verify my X server's display depth, aside from setting DefaultDepth in xorg.conf ? |
| 14:53.03 | dli | lindi-, can you install windows on ext2? so, question still unanswered |
| 14:53.14 | abrotman | i wish they would reiser :) |
| 14:53.15 | amorphix | poor design, poor quality materials, cheap labour |
| 14:53.18 | lindi- | abrotman: but explore2fs is different thing, exts2fsd will mount the system so it will show as a drive like X: |
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| 14:53.24 | dorto | is there a simple accounting software for personal account management for debian? gnucash looks very heavy for my requirements... |
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| 14:53.31 | Sylvisj | sm, what do you mean? Are you just trying to see what it is set to |
| 14:53.32 | lindi- | dli: you probably can't |
| 14:53.32 | Sylvisj | ? |
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| 14:53.34 | abrotman | lindi-: afaik ..explore2fs does thes ame thing |
| 14:53.38 | sm | Sylvisj: yes |
| 14:53.45 | beardy | dorto: a spreadsheet |
| 14:53.47 | lindi- | abrotman: ok |
| 14:53.54 | dli | amorphix, asus? or you are talking about something else |
| 14:53.56 | sm | I want some proof that my DefaultDepth setting is taking effect |
| 14:54.01 | dorto | beardy: like openoffice.org? |
| 14:54.04 | abrotman | lindi-: how else would it be useful? :) |
| 14:54.12 | BartSimpson | hi from russia |
| 14:54.21 | Sylvisj | Not sure, sm. |
| 14:54.21 | abrotman | lindi-: gotta have the GUI .. dear lord .. i'll be lost without my clicker! |
| 14:54.27 | dvs | BartSimpson: Who the hell are you? ;-) |
| 14:54.30 | beardy | dorto: yeah, or gnumeric, or other. |
| 14:54.34 | dorto | k thx |
| 14:54.46 | lindi- | abrotman: but it says "Although there is still some code for write support, it has been abandoned and most likely does not work." |
| 14:54.50 | dli | abrotman, exlore2fs doesn't allow "mount" :( |
| 14:55.08 | lindi- | abrotman: however, i used ext2fsd just recently in read-write mode |
| 14:55.09 | amorphix | dli: in general |
| 14:55.20 | BartSimpson | dvs: i'm Sasha from rus=))))) |
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| 14:55.42 | amorphix | I just found an old Toshiba Satellite Pro 460CDT, phew now this how laptops should be built |
| 14:55.47 | abrotman | lindi-: ah .. ok .. sorry to mislead |
| 14:55.51 | dli | lindi-, yes, ext2fsd is great. but reiserfsd is another story |
| 14:55.54 | amorphix | no way is this hinge going to break |
| 14:56.03 | MASoft | how can I add non-free to my resp.s ? |
| 14:56.05 | Sylvisj | amorphix: I'm sure a few hammers would disagree. |
| 14:56.09 | beardy | !nonfree |
| 14:56.09 | dpkg | i guess non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianers would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there or contrib, or #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html |
| 14:56.10 | abrotman | !non-free |
| 14:56.10 | dpkg | i heard non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianers would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there or contrib, or #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html |
| 14:56.13 | abrotman | nice |
| 14:56.15 | nvz | that's abrotman's sisters name |
| 14:56.21 | abrotman | non-free ? |
| 14:56.26 | beardy | yeah, wonder why he allowed it |
| 14:56.27 | amorphix | lol |
| 14:56.30 | nvz | no, sasha |
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| 14:56.40 | amorphix | lindi? |
| 14:56.45 | abrotman | oh . .no .. but we had a malamute named that when we were kids |
| 14:56.45 | amorphix | oh |
| 14:56.45 | beardy | oh, different ones |
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| 14:56.48 | Sylvisj | Now for the risky.... installing WoW. |
| 14:56.49 | nvz | I dont think I cooked these noodles long enough |
| 14:56.57 | BartSimpson | what???? |
| 14:56.57 | amorphix | noodle soup? |
| 14:57.22 | BartSimpson | talk to me smb,plzzzz |
| 14:57.26 | amorphix | damn how can you mess up noodles, easiest thing to cool |
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| 14:57.27 | abrotman | nvz: more food poisoning .. coming right up! |
| 14:57.28 | amorphix | *cook |
| 14:57.49 | beardy | first plonk of this sunday coming up.. |
| 14:57.52 | nvz | I was talking about the little high school girl that flirts with me all the time. who said your mom lived across the street from me |
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| 14:57.57 | abrotman | !ru |
| 14:57.57 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 14:58.02 | user01 | how reliable do you think components in a 5 yr old pc would be? |
| 14:58.06 | octopus | hello! can anybody help me by my wlan0 config... if i give them per iwconfig parameters it dosent changes in iwconfig wlan0 |
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| 14:58.23 | nvz | beardy: who me? |
| 14:58.31 | beardy | user01: If they still runs fine, they'll run forever ;) |
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| 14:58.38 | beardy | nvz: No :) |
| 14:58.46 | bbrazil | user01: judging by the one beside me, not very |
| 14:58.51 | BartSimpson | ñäåñü ðóññêèå åñòü? |
| 14:58.54 | dli | user01, hard drive, psu, cpu fans. |
| 14:58.55 | abrotman | !ru |
| 14:58.55 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 14:59.01 | abrotman | BartSimpson: ^^ |
| 14:59.18 | nvz | BartSimpson is a fucktard troll |
| 14:59.30 | nvz | and while I am on the subject, simpsons suck |
| 14:59.32 | dorto | is there a good speech to text program for debian? someone was talking about festival... |
| 14:59.32 | user01 | dli: those are reliable or not reliable? |
| 14:59.43 | dli | user01: toublemakers |
| 14:59.44 | BartSimpson | bore................ |
| 14:59.48 | beardy | nvz: No it doesn't. |
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| 15:00.00 | laurens__ | ok |
| 15:00.03 | abrotman | BartSimpson: if we're boring .. then go somewhere else |
| 15:00.06 | laurens__ | this may seem like a stupid question |
| 15:00.07 | octopus | mtnman: hello. did you know what paket is iwconfig ... i will try to reinstall |
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| 15:00.08 | nvz | yeah the cartoon sucks, OJ sucks, Jessica & Ashlee, suck.. |
| 15:00.14 | dli | user01, but the good news is you don't have to repair any 5 year old pc :) |
| 15:00.16 | user01 | dli: well the hard drive already failed in it was one of the ibm deskstars with a resin issue...i replaced it |
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| 15:00.19 | nvz | in general Simpsons suck |
| 15:00.24 | nvz | its like synonymous |
| 15:00.29 | laurens__ | I want to use my router as a small dns server for my home network |
| 15:00.40 | goldeDoubt | is there a way of lauching graphical applications using crontab...(being a user logged in with X server running....would it be possible to launch a graphical application for that user using crontab |
| 15:00.48 | laurens__ | so I can "ping moortgat" instead of "ping 192.168.2.177" |
| 15:01.10 | goldeDoubt | kind of like running the app with other uid and connected to the xserver?? |
| 15:01.11 | dli | laurens__, put them in /etc/hosts |
| 15:01.12 | nvz | I'll use it in a sentance. "This windows box is simpson" :P |
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| 15:01.24 | abrotman | no way .. use bind! |
| 15:01.31 | dli | laurens__, if you want real dns, apt-get install bind9 |
| 15:01.35 | Maulkin | !tell octopus -about search |
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| 15:01.40 | nvz | mm noodles are good. unfortunatly I dont have any more |
| 15:01.51 | laurens__ | goldeDoubt: you probably want two things: sudo as a specific user and the ability to tell certain programs to run on a specific display :-) |
| 15:01.53 | nvz | I thought they were all gone, but after looking around I found some :) |
| 15:01.57 | laurens__ | dli: yeah but i was going to add something |
| 15:02.02 | thingfish | yay! |
| 15:02.05 | laurens__ | suppose I have wonotobo.vhnet |
| 15:02.06 | beardy | goldeDoubt: No. at(1) perhaps can though. |
| 15:02.15 | laurens__ | which is my laptop |
| 15:02.17 | nvz | I need to go shopping I guess |
| 15:02.26 | laurens__ | it can have multiple ethernet devices |
| 15:02.31 | octopus | Maulkin: where should i search? |
| 15:02.35 | laurens__ | -> multiple mac addresses -> multiple ip's |
| 15:02.42 | abrotman | goldeDoubt: you could run a script that exports the display and starts the app .. each user can have his own crontab |
| 15:03.06 | nvz | I am the worst when it comes to grocery shopping. I always want to get the fuck out of the store, and I end up going back every day because I never buy everything I will need |
| 15:03.08 | Maulkin | octopus: read the text that dpkg told you. All teh info is in there |
| 15:03.10 | laurens__ | but |
| 15:03.17 | laurens__ | I want wonotobo.vhnet to always |
| 15:03.17 | abrotman | laurens__: iirc .. there's a way to do dynamic updates to bind |
| 15:03.21 | laurens__ | work... |
| 15:03.29 | MASoft | which one is a better choice for Gnome ? Jackd or ESD ? |
| 15:03.31 | laurens__ | ie first it checks if the wired ip works |
| 15:03.38 | laurens__ | then it checks if the wifi works :-) |
| 15:03.39 | laurens__ | any ideas? |
| 15:03.41 | nvz | I was just at the store yesturday buying chocolate milk :P |
| 15:03.41 | goldeDoubt | abrotman: gonna check how to export the display |
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| 15:03.45 | dorto | any dedicated websites to help host website securely on a debian machine? |
| 15:04.00 | abrotman | laurens__: iirc .. there's a way to do dynamic updates to bind |
| 15:04.19 | abrotman | god damn it .. i want a ham grinder ... |
| 15:04.20 | laurens__ | abrotman: can't I make a dns name resolve to multiple ips? |
| 15:04.22 | nvz | its a good thing we live in a world where there are no chocolate cows, but you can still go to the local market and get chocolate milk |
| 15:04.23 | Henry_Bean | Hi people... anyone has experience compiling e17 for amd64? |
| 15:04.31 | abrotman | laurens__: yes and no |
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| 15:04.37 | laurens__ | Henry_Bean: yes but not on debian |
| 15:04.47 | abrotman | laurens__: you can .. but not in the way you want it to work |
| 15:04.52 | Maulkin | dorto: What do you mean? |
| 15:04.54 | abrotman | !dr17 |
| 15:04.55 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/ |
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| 15:05.04 | laurens__ | abrotman: ok :-) |
| 15:05.06 | nvz | pedro420: what up pedro |
| 15:05.12 | Maulkin | dorto: Have you read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ ? |
| 15:05.17 | Henry_Bean | laurens__, i'm really trying to pack them, thanks |
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| 15:05.20 | marthijn | question: I'm trying to print a postscript file on A3 paper, ggv works, but I want to print it 300 times - that takes ages if I do it 1 by 1... any suggestions? (ggv does not allow me to select 300x) |
| 15:05.22 | dorto | Maulkin: say i want to use debian as the os to host my website. are there any specific sites? |
| 15:05.22 | laurens__ | abrotman: so the easiest way is to treat the different ethernets as if they were connected to different boxes |
| 15:05.40 | dorto | Maulkin: that was a good link :) |
| 15:05.40 | abrotman | laurens__: it's called round-robin .. like nslookup www.yahoo.com will show many IPs .. but it does them in a round robin fashion .. not "oh first is down .. take the next" |
| 15:05.56 | abrotman | laurens__: i said .. look at dynamic updates to bind |
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| 15:06.01 | Maulkin | dorto: For your own server? Do you want to colo or just have an account? |
| 15:06.03 | amorphix | my washing machine is on spin cycle, i cant hear it as i have my MD walkman on but i can feel the vibrations, I just feel sorry for the neighbours below |
| 15:06.12 | nvz | I still dont understand the meaning of round-robin without looking it up |
| 15:06.14 | Maulkin | dorto: You'll need to give us more info. |
| 15:06.21 | laurens__ | abrotman: yeah, i know how rr works. I use rrdtool :-) I would think that yahoo has more advanced load balancing than that though :P |
| 15:06.26 | laurens__ | how do they handle host downtime? |
| 15:06.32 | dorto | Maulkin: say i have a machine with public ip |
| 15:06.34 | laurens__ | downtime isn't always announched :P |
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| 15:06.47 | laurens__ | *announced |
| 15:06.49 | abrotman | laurens__: yes .. it was a generic example |
| 15:07.01 | brrrt | hello all |
| 15:07.02 | abrotman | laurens__: look at dynamic updates to bind |
| 15:07.02 | dorto | Maulkin: it has to be completely handled by me...web services exposed to the internet public |
| 15:07.18 | Maulkin | laurens__: More than likley, they'll use hardware load balancers |
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| 15:07.34 | user01 | im trying to figure out what to do with these 2 computers...and if i need to build a third...i have this one that it is 5 yrs old that i basically use as my internet "run dangerous things on" computer, and then i have a cheap dell 2350 that i use as the fileserver, but of course it is mini and only has two hdrives in it...and only has 256 mem...was thinking of either 1 construction a new server that can take the ide hard drive in it |
| 15:07.51 | abrotman | Maulkin: you think? .. i thought they used 486s ... |
| 15:07.57 | user01 | or 2 buying 512 of memory for the del 2350 |
| 15:08.04 | Maulkin | laurens__: Simplest way is to use rrdns. Next, is to use some sort of proxy. Finally, dedicated load balancers. |
| 15:08.14 | brrrt | do i need to set irqbalance "once" or "always" on a dual Xeon machine? |
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| 15:08.29 | Maulkin | dorto: so what do you want to know? :) |
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| 15:08.52 | abrotman | Maulkin: you missed laurens__ real query .... wants internal dns .. but the machine may have multiple IPs .. so i suggested doing dynamic updates to bind |
| 15:09.00 | Maulkin | ahh! |
| 15:09.20 | dorto | Maulkin: if there are some links which could help me in pointing towards security from Debian + website hosting(web+email) point of view |
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| 15:09.30 | Maulkin | dorto: www.google.com :) |
| 15:09.50 | Maulkin | dorto: And that link from before |
| 15:09.54 | amorphix | we'd be screwed without mozilla |
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| 15:09.57 | dorto | yes...k |
| 15:10.03 | abrotman | amorphix: opera is quite nice |
| 15:10.15 | amorphix | never tried it might take a look out of interest |
| 15:10.18 | nvz | abrotman: no, we'd be using something better without mozilla |
| 15:10.33 | abrotman | nvz: opera is better IMO :) |
| 15:10.36 | stew | ugh, just found out i'm going to have to fix some bugs with opera+java |
| 15:10.46 | nvz | abrotman: last I checked opera still sucked |
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| 15:10.54 | abrotman | stew: you work for sun and opera ? |
| 15:11.00 | abrotman | nvz: define sucks |
| 15:11.03 | Phated | Yeh, but it sucks less now because it hath no ads! |
| 15:11.12 | abrotman | Phated: ?! |
| 15:11.15 | nvz | abrotman: the name sounds too much like an annoying concert of fat people, and it has advertisement |
| 15:11.17 | stew | abrotman: no, but we wrote an mua that runs in a browser via java |
| 15:11.24 | brrrt | does anyone have experience with a dual xeon machine? |
| 15:11.25 | Phated | What, does opera have ads again now? |
| 15:11.30 | abrotman | Phated: no |
| 15:11.35 | thingfish | no, they got rid of the ads. |
| 15:11.38 | abrotman | nvz: no more ads |
| 15:11.40 | stew | brrrt: lots of people |
| 15:11.42 | Phated | Then I fail to see your surprise. |
| 15:11.50 | abrotman | stew: it's java .. write once .. run anywhere ? .. i don't see what opera has to do with it |
| 15:11.52 | user01 | i always underestimate how much /var takes up... |
| 15:11.52 | nvz | abrotman: well its been a long time then |
| 15:11.55 | raboof | installing bitlbee, which adds an entry for port 6667 or 6668 to /etc/inetd.conf, triggers Tiger/chkrootkit to report a 'possible LPD worm' warning |
| 15:12.01 | raboof | since it checks for "${egrep} "^666" ${ROOTDIR}etc/inetd.conf " |
| 15:12.07 | raboof | should I report that as a bug somewhere? |
| 15:12.08 | stew | abrotman: write once debug everywhere |
| 15:12.12 | abrotman | Phated: becuase you're hiding from -ot |
| 15:12.17 | nvz | stew: heh |
| 15:12.17 | abrotman | stew: hehe |
| 15:12.23 | Phated | abrotman: What's your point? |
| 15:12.33 | abrotman | Phated: ! <--- point |
| 15:12.45 | brrrt | stew: i would like to know howto setup irqbalance correctly on a dual xeon machine |
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| 15:13.22 | Henry_Bean | question, i had co a cvs repository, if i run build-package tell me that there |
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| 15:13.45 | abrotman | Henry_Bean: i don't think that's a question |
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| 15:13.56 | abrotman | or really a valid sentence :) |
| 15:14.00 | user01 | deos anyone know where to get cheap acnor keyboards? I bought all of them from a company selling them for 4$ |
| 15:14.18 | Henry_Bean | abrotman, sorry, i didn't want to press enter xD |
| 15:14.21 | abrotman | user01: ebay/overstock/amazon/cdw |
| 15:14.38 | stew | brrrt: dunno, do you have it installed? did you read /usr/share/doc/irqbalance/* |
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| 15:14.44 | user01 | theyre like 56$ on ebay |
| 15:14.58 | abrotman | so find cheaper keybaords |
| 15:14.59 | nvz | this goes back to my never give a girl anything that would hurt if thrown at your head concept. you give her a plush teddy bear and she's mad or doesnt like it, look at it this way.. it wont hurt when she throws it at you. and who knows she might like it. its a win-win situation :P |
| 15:15.14 | user01 | abrotman: iam thats why i asked :) |
| 15:15.24 | abrotman | nvz: so .. don't buy the wife a house ? |
| 15:15.27 | nvz | also never enter the room with a woman welding a blunt object |
| 15:15.29 | dorto | do computer based sticky notes save the text that is typed in real time or all will be lost if OS crashes/reboots? |
| 15:15.32 | beardy | nvz: wise words |
| 15:15.43 | Sylvisj | How do I force linux to eject my CD |
| 15:15.46 | Sylvisj | > |
| 15:15.54 | brrrt | stew: yes, i installed irqbalance and the 2.6-smb kernel-image |
| 15:15.55 | Henry_Bean | question, i had co a cvs repository, if i run build-package tell me that there's no changelog, then i run ./autogen and converte changelog.in in changelog (replacing wildcards as @VERSION@)appears, but if i run build-package again the changelog is deleted again and tell me that there's not changelog again... |
| 15:15.55 | Maulkin | Sylvisj: eject |
| 15:16.05 | nvz | I still got scars from Jess, when she beat me with that badmitton racket when we were teenagers :P |
| 15:16.14 | Sylvisj | unmount failed |
| 15:16.24 | Maulkin | Sylvisj: Why? |
| 15:16.24 | raboof | dorto: depends on the application you use i guess... |
| 15:16.30 | marthijn | is there a commandline file.ps print command which allows me to print a page 300 times (more than one copy)? |
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| 15:16.35 | user01 | i liked nikon for a long time but now they have that stupid proprietary nef format |
| 15:16.36 | Sylvisj | umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy |
| 15:16.43 | Sylvisj | It's idle, which is the kicker. |
| 15:16.49 | raboof | marthijn: 'lpr'? |
| 15:16.51 | brrrt | stew: at the setup i was asked if irqbalance should be called once or permanent, choosed permanent |
| 15:16.54 | nvz | abrotman: thats different. its too big to throw.. but that doesnt mean she will fail to figure out how to hurt you with it |
| 15:17.00 | Zwartetoorts | hello people |
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| 15:17.24 | Maulkin | Sylvisj: are you running teh command as root? |
| 15:17.27 | nvz | abrotman: she will just pickup somethings smaller, and once you get to the other side of the door, slam it in your face and lock you out :P |
| 15:17.32 | stew | brrrt: if there is anything you need to know, it should be in /usr/share/doc/pkgname/* |
| 15:17.41 | Sylvisj | Yes, maulkin |
| 15:17.47 | abrotman | nvz: is this why you still live with your parents ? |
| 15:17.48 | brrrt | stew: at *doc* there is no readme just changelog |
| 15:17.55 | user01 | 100$ for windows software to decode it properly what a rip off |
| 15:18.01 | Henry_Bean | any idea about my trouble? |
| 15:18.06 | nvz | abrotman: no last crazy bitch I lived with, we got along good actually |
| 15:18.11 | Maulkin | Sylvisj: what directory are you in? |
| 15:18.15 | nvz | abrotman: she was way too pissed at everyone else to hate on me |
| 15:18.19 | Sylvisj | ./home/sylvisj |
| 15:18.25 | abrotman | #debian-mentors |
| 15:18.29 | nvz | abrotman: plus I was good to her so she never had any reason |
| 15:18.33 | fooscope | Sylvisj: your pwd is /media/cdrom0/xdir/ in another terminal? |
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| 15:18.44 | Sylvisj | what, fooscope? |
| 15:18.48 | Sylvisj | English, please... |
| 15:18.49 | abrotman | nvz: aren't they all crazy? |
| 15:18.51 | abrotman | :) |
| 15:19.00 | Maulkin | Sylvisj: try 'lsof /media/cdrom0' |
| 15:19.09 | brrrt | stew: i am not sure if that was hte right desicion, because when i scp something over the 100Mbit LAN the machine reacts quite "sloppy" |
| 15:19.10 | Zwartetoorts | Could anybody help me? |
| 15:19.21 | Maulkin | Zwartetoorts: Probably. |
| 15:19.33 | Zwartetoorts | I'm trying to build ffmpeg |
| 15:19.33 | brrrt | stew: while being local |
| 15:19.45 | Sylvisj | COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME |
| 15:19.45 | Sylvisj | kdeinit 7644 root 129r DIR 22,0 2048 1600 /media/cdrom0 |
| 15:19.53 | beardy | Zwartetoorts: Isn't it packaged? |
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| 15:20.02 | nvz | abrotman: so far I havent collected any data that disproves that theory.. but I am still willing to believe that their are good natured women out there with this rare old-fashioned view of the world I carry around |
| 15:20.05 | Maulkin | Sylvisj: Well, that program is accessing the CD |
| 15:20.07 | Zwartetoorts | Packaged? |
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| 15:20.13 | Sylvisj | Thx. Time to end it. |
| 15:20.14 | Maulkin | Sylvisj: Is it on the desktop? |
| 15:20.16 | Sylvisj | No. |
| 15:20.21 | Maulkin | Sylvisj: Sorry, don't know KDE :) |
| 15:20.30 | beardy | !find ffmpeg |
| 15:20.33 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'ffmpeg' (3): ffmpeg ;; ffmpeg2theora ;; gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg. |
| 15:20.35 | goldeDoubt | abrotman: I exported the display but cannot run applicantion on x cos it says it cannot connect to X server |
| 15:20.37 | Sylvisj | That's fine. Process ended. |
| 15:20.41 | beardy | !find ffmpeg sarge |
| 15:20.48 | Maulkin | :) |
| 15:20.52 | jdhutchin1 | !tell Zwartetoorts about marillat |
| 15:21.01 | Sylvisj | Unbelievable. |
| 15:21.03 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ffmpeg' (5 of 9): (/usr/bin/ffmpeg2raw) in graphics/smilutils ;; (/usr/bin/ffmpeg-config) in libdevel/libavcodec-dev ;; (/usr/lib/vlc/codec/libffmpeg_plugin.so) in graphics/vlc ;; (/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.8/libgstffmpegcolorspace.so) in libs/gstreamer0.8-misc ;; (/usr/share/doc/pike7.6-doc/html/reference/ex/predef_3A_3A/_Ffmpeg/ffmpeg.html) in doc/pike7.6-reference. |
| 15:21.08 | Sylvisj | Process ended. Still busy, from the same process. |
| 15:21.23 | abrotman | goldeDoubt: you mean need to export the xauthority also |
| 15:21.25 | Zwartetoorts | The reason I want to build it is because VideoLan needs libavcodec |
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| 15:21.47 | Zwartetoorts | And I want a complete build |
| 15:21.48 | Maulkin | Sylvisj: how did you stop the process? |
| 15:21.49 | abrotman | !tell goldeDoubt about xauthority |
| 15:21.52 | abrotman | !tell goldeDoubt about xhost |
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| 15:21.57 | Zwartetoorts | With everything included |
| 15:21.59 | Sylvisj | Ctrl+alt+Del, used Kill on it |
| 15:22.00 | Miesco | How do I copy in xterm? |
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| 15:22.06 | abrotman | highlight |
| 15:22.23 | Sylvisj | Gah, I'll just reboot. Brb. |
| 15:22.25 | beardy | Miesco: Just mark it. |
| 15:22.31 | Miesco | I tried that |
| 15:22.32 | Zwartetoorts | And the latest version because the packaged VideoLan crashes |
| 15:22.33 | dacer | hi, where can I find kernel 2.6.11 (or newer) image, headers and source for amd64? |
| 15:22.42 | Maulkin | Sylvisj: Erm... can you try 'kill 7644' from a terminal? |
| 15:22.50 | beardy | Miesco: Copy it where? |
| 15:22.56 | nvz | of course that girl I was living with hates me now, but thats just because I am gone and not comming back, and its the only way she knows how to deal with it. |
| 15:22.56 | Miesco | From the xterm |
| 15:23.01 | beardy | Miesco: Where to? |
| 15:23.07 | Miesco | The clipboard |
| 15:23.11 | beardy | Miesco: .. |
| 15:23.15 | Maulkin | I'm guessing that kills KDE too then... |
| 15:23.21 | beardy | Miesco: Where are you going to paste it? |
| 15:23.56 | Miesco | breardy: Into xterm |
| 15:24.06 | Miesco | beardy: Into xterm |
| 15:24.11 | Zwartetoorts | When I use the configure system and use make install it puts everything into /usr/local |
| 15:24.22 | stew | Miesco: there is no way to get text directly from an xterm into the clipboard |
| 15:24.25 | goldeDoubt | abrotmnan: connect bad word choice...sorry ...more it cannote open the display... |
| 15:24.29 | Zwartetoorts | How do I fix that |
| 15:24.41 | Maulkin | Zwartetoorts: ./configure --help |
| 15:24.46 | stew | Miesco: you have to use the selection, just highlight it |
| 15:24.51 | abrotman | thc: abrotmnan: |
| 15:24.54 | Maulkin | Zwartetoorts: read that |
| 15:24.56 | Miesco | stew: I highlighted it |
| 15:25.02 | beardy | Miesco: just select/highlight/mark it with the mouse, and middle mousebutton to paste it. |
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| 15:25.03 | Miesco | stew: Then what? |
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| 15:25.12 | stew | Miesco: middle click somewhere else |
| 15:25.12 | goldeDoubt | abrotman: connect bad word choice...sorry ...more it cannote open the display... |
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| 15:25.16 | abrotman | goldeDoubt: what you're trying to do should certainly be possibly |
| 15:25.19 | abrotman | err be possible |
| 15:25.24 | brosioz | in which repository could i found a version of mencoder compiled for i386 (i have and amd64) ? |
| 15:25.27 | Miesco | Okay |
| 15:25.38 | beardy | !tell brosioz -about marillat |
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| 15:25.57 | abrotman | goldeDoubt: i've never done it .. but i would think that if you used xhost or .Xauthority ... you should be able to get it to run .. is it xfree or xorg ? |
| 15:26.06 | brosioz | beardy, in marillat is only for k6 |
| 15:26.07 | Maulkin | beardy: Beat me to it :) |
| 15:26.18 | Maulkin | brosioz: no it's not |
| 15:26.24 | Zwartetoorts | I read ./configure --help, but it isn't clean to me where static libraries should go for other build to find them again |
| 15:26.35 | brosioz | mencoder-586 - MPlayer's Movie Encoder |
| 15:26.36 | brosioz | mencoder-k6 - MPlayer's Movie Encoder |
| 15:26.39 | brosioz | only both |
| 15:26.57 | Miesco | How come in xterm I cant use the home key in vim |
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| 15:27.17 | goldeDoubt | abrotman: xorg |
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| 15:27.47 | Maulkin | brosioz: have you been to the site? |
| 15:27.48 | abrotman | goldeDoubt: perhaps query #xorg ... i would think the stuff i told you would work .. but i haven't been using xorg for very long |
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| 15:27.54 | Zwartetoorts | Does gcc link to everything in /usr/local/lib by default? |
| 15:28.05 | stew | !wayc Zwartetoorts |
| 15:28.06 | dpkg | Zwartetoorts: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 15:28.09 | nvz | Miesco: probably has little or nothing to do with xterm. have you tried another x-terminal-emulator? |
| 15:28.27 | abrotman | goldeDoubt: man xauth also .. |
| 15:28.38 | Zwartetoorts | Because 1 - Videolan from apt crashes |
| 15:28.38 | stew | goldeDoubt: you can lanch graphical thingies in cron like this: "DISPLAY=:0 xeyes" |
| 15:28.38 | Miesco | nvz: Yes |
| 15:28.39 | nvz | Miesco: if it behaves the same in any terminal emulator under X then your wm or something is catching the key you may have to adjust bindings |
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| 15:28.49 | Zwartetoorts | 2 - I want to cross compile ffmpeg |
| 15:28.50 | abrotman | nvz: bring me a ham grinder ... |
| 15:28.54 | brosioz | Maulkin, ???? |
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| 15:29.13 | Zwartetoorts | but 2 is only an option when 1 has been done |
| 15:29.17 | Maulkin | brosioz: Go read http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html |
| 15:29.31 | brosioz | Maulkin, alredy read |
| 15:29.32 | thingfish | mmm...grinders |
| 15:29.36 | brosioz | i've alrredy |
| 15:29.36 | stew | Zwartetoorts: what are you doing to fix the crashing? |
| 15:29.53 | usn | hi there |
| 15:29.58 | brosioz | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sid main |
| 15:30.01 | Maulkin | brosioz: Then your problem is sorted. There's details on there about amd64 |
| 15:30.01 | brosioz | in my repository |
| 15:30.18 | Zwartetoorts | ...fix the crashing? updating everting and hoping the bug has been fixed |
| 15:30.21 | brosioz | i have an amd64 but i'm using debian for i386 |
| 15:30.32 | Zwartetoorts | it runs out of memory |
| 15:30.39 | Zwartetoorts | and gets killed |
| 15:30.49 | dacer | Where can I find kernel 2.6.11 packages for amd64 |
| 15:30.58 | Maulkin | brosioz: Look at the 7th line. |
| 15:31.03 | pedro420 | nvz: Have fun at the party nandrew ? |
| 15:31.08 | Maulkin | brosioz: use that in your sources |
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| 15:31.13 | dorto | apt-cache search kernel-image should show all the versions |
| 15:31.17 | thingfish | dacer: the folks in #debian-amd64 might be more help. |
| 15:31.35 | brosioz | Maulkin, 7th line '???? |
| 15:31.39 | [Marvin] | Hello, I have an md raid 5 where a disk keeps getting dropped at reboot. There is not really anything to see in dmesg other than the line 'devfs_mk_dev: could not append to parent for md/1' - I'm all out of options, so any thoughts would be much appreciated. |
| 15:32.03 | Maulkin | brosioz: that web page. The seventh line. It contains the host for amd64 |
| 15:32.10 | brosioz | i have an amd64 but i'm using debian for i386 |
| 15:32.21 | nvz | pedro420: not really, but its always a pleasure |
| 15:32.24 | brosioz | i'm using 2.6.14-1-386 |
| 15:32.31 | abrotman | nvz: fix pedro420's sound! |
| 15:32.33 | dacer | thanks thingfish, i ask in #amd64, not in #debian-amd64 |
| 15:32.34 | goldeDoubt | abrotman: thnks a lot for your help :) gonna keep trying ... gonna try it stew |
| 15:32.38 | Zwartetoorts | Does gcc link against everything in /usr/local/lib by default? |
| 15:32.52 | nvz | pedro420: I was tired and slightly depressed that those girls were making Becky look good |
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| 15:33.11 | nvz | pedro420: I told casey ahead of time, if I get drunk enough to think Becky looks good, shoot me. |
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| 15:33.12 | Maulkin | brosioz: go and try it |
| 15:33.21 | tvn | is there a howto on how to setup a wikiwiki on Debian + Apache ? goodle doesn't return any good one (i.e., a howto style) |
| 15:33.30 | sparr | something on my system is "modifying" (says the installer) my nvidia driver installation every time i reboot, so i have to reinstall the driver before i can start X. how can i figure out what it is? |
| 15:33.48 | Maulkin | tvn: apt-get install $yourfavouritewiki |
| 15:33.58 | tvn | Maulkin: did that ... |
| 15:34.08 | Maulkin | tvn: So what's not working? :) |
| 15:34.18 | tvn | Maulkin: don't know what to do next, |
| 15:34.20 | jdhutchin1 | sparr, how did you install the nvidia driver? |
| 15:34.33 | Maulkin | tvn: what did you install? |
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| 15:34.50 | ruben | Hi |
| 15:34.50 | tvn | Maulkin: python-moinmoin |
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| 15:35.00 | ruben | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:35.15 | Phated | First course. |
| 15:35.19 | Phated | Or courses. |
| 15:35.35 | dorto | better to have some bots allowing these kind of games |
| 15:35.50 | nvz | pedro420: the twins were aiight, but the one was like in some pre-sexual utopia and didnt even have enough faith in her beliefs to be anything short of a hypocrite. the other was alright I guess, but I wasnt feeling either one of them or Chrissy's slutty little sister that has the rhythm of a salted slug |
| 15:35.52 | beardy | heh, so are we a crossword channel now? |
| 15:35.59 | sparr | jdhutchin1: the wrong way, of course |
| 15:36.00 | Maulkin | tvn: Have a look at the stuff in usr/share/doc/python-moinmoin/ |
| 15:36.07 | ruben | Phated: oh thx :) |
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| 15:36.26 | Phated | ruben: No problem... take it elsewhere, please. :) |
| 15:36.38 | nvz | if you are gonna be a slut puppie you have to at least have good rhythm |
| 15:36.47 | nvz | at least thats how I feel about it |
| 15:36.57 | pedro420 | nvz: Did becky start lookin good to you ? |
| 15:36.57 | tvn | Maulkin: thanks .. checking it out |
| 15:37.00 | ruben | it's an english exam question :/, thanks again ;) |
| 15:37.22 | Phated | WTF, dude, why are we helping with exams? :| |
| 15:37.52 | phlak | hi all, im trying the distro of phlak and would like to know the root password .. its a live cd distro and just testin it out anyone able to help? |
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| 15:38.09 | MASoft | some of my friends recommend me to use Jackd ! currently I use ESD, and use gnome. do you think is it useful to change it from ESD to Jackd ? |
| 15:38.11 | nvz | pedro420: she was dressed pretty cute. and she was the only one not acting a fool. granted she didnt have any cocain, and nobody was pitching dollars at her, so she probably didnt know how to act.. but she was acting her age at least |
| 15:38.13 | beardy | phlak: Ask the distro's channel. |
| 15:38.18 | encompass | do the ntp progra |
| 15:38.22 | dorto | we won't be doing computing homeworks...no problem with english homeworks ;) |
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| 15:38.26 | encompass | do the ntp program start by default? |
| 15:38.38 | phlak | yes they do |
| 15:38.57 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 15:38.58 | dpkg | hello, abrotman |
| 15:39.06 | pedro420 | nvz: Yea she was. Do remember the glasses you found ? And were you put them ? |
| 15:39.20 | abrotman | oddly .. when you ignore yourself .. it doesn't work ... |
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| 15:39.28 | goldeDoubt | stew: but the app wont be visible right? |
| 15:39.30 | nvz | pedro420: not really |
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| 15:39.33 | beardy | abrotman: Could be handy sometimes? |
| 15:39.36 | encompass | does the ntp program start by default? |
| 15:39.42 | cahoot_ | MASoft: for simple playback? |
| 15:40.02 | nvz | pedro420: were they Chrissy's sisters glasses? |
| 15:40.02 | MASoft | cahoot_, yes |
| 15:40.07 | beardy | encompass: If it's installed and likes it's configuration, it does yes. |
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| 15:40.15 | abrotman | beardy: i wouldn't have to listen to myself |
| 15:40.21 | stew | goldeDoubt: if XAUTHORITY and DISPLAY are set, it will be visible |
| 15:40.22 | encompass | beardy thanks |
| 15:40.24 | beardy | abrotman: exactly :) |
| 15:40.32 | pedro420 | nvz: Becky keeps callin here wonderin if we found them and casey said you were the last to have them cause you put them on and said someone can't see far away |
| 15:40.33 | MASoft | cahoot_, they told me Jackd is faster ! I have some delay in ESD |
| 15:40.54 | nvz | pedro420: are they becky's glasseS? |
| 15:41.22 | nvz | pedro420: I might have them in my coat or something *shrug* |
| 15:41.29 | abrotman | damn it .. baseball is over !!! :( |
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| 15:41.37 | Zwartetoorts | Sorry, but I'm posing this question again, because nobody could give me an awnser. Does gcc link against everything in /usr/local/lib by default? My ffmpeg build is giving me linker errors. I'm trying to figure out what's going wrong |
| 15:41.37 | havoc^deb | !dpkg sarge nvidia |
| 15:41.46 | abrotman | wtf ? |
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| 15:42.07 | pedro420 | nvz: She also lost her pills but I didn't even see them she prolly ate them and forgot |
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| 15:42.26 | goldeDoubt | stew: I made like you said... checked ps and the process is running ... gonna check now XAUTHORITY |
| 15:42.33 | abrotman | Zwartetoorts: linker error ? |
| 15:42.35 | goldeDoubt | stew: thnks |
| 15:42.46 | nvz | pedro420: I remember her having a bottle of pills in the kitchen when I came up to use the phone, and she said something about pills when I took her home |
| 15:42.55 | nvz | pedro420: I didnt know she wore glasses though |
| 15:42.57 | havoc^deb | why the nvidia gfx driver installer complains about missing kernel sources when i have the sources installed fitting my actual active kernel ?? |
| 15:42.57 | Zwartetoorts | linker can't find some exported functions |
| 15:43.14 | Zwartetoorts | in another lib |
| 15:43.56 | abrotman | ldconfig ? |
| 15:44.03 | Zwartetoorts | static library |
| 15:44.24 | havoc^deb | i have also set a symlink from /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8 to /usr/src/linux like most things seem to expect |
| 15:44.36 | pedro420 | nvz: niether did I. SHe prolly ate them or something. |
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| 15:44.55 | nvz | pedro420: that girl needs a baby sitter or something.. heh could loose a hummer in a harly rally |
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| 15:45.25 | nvz | pedro420: probably doesnt even know where her kids are |
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| 15:45.47 | pedro420 | nvz: Thats what happen when you drink and take pills or heroin or whhatever she was on |
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| 15:46.27 | nvz | pedro420: heh she did look wasted. |
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| 15:47.06 | encompass | I installed ntp but when I try to use gnome to sync with a server it says that ntp support is not running; did I do something wrong? |
| 15:47.14 | pedro420 | nvz: She fell off 2 chairs |
| 15:47.17 | gothdrage | halla |
| 15:47.24 | abrotman | encompass: pool.ntp.org |
| 15:47.26 | phlak | hi room i just burned the latest distro of "phlak" and am trying it out anyone able to help me out with the default root password " its the live cd distro"? |
| 15:47.31 | octopus | hello. can any body help me by wlan0. i can only ping my pcs and the router. i dont can ping the internet. what did i wrong? |
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| 15:47.52 | encompass | abrotman I am not sure wht you mean... do you want me to go to that website? |
| 15:47.57 | jelly | @find Nebula Awards Showcase |
| 15:48.02 | jelly | w00t |
| 15:48.04 | abrotman | encompass: use that as your ntp server |
| 15:48.07 | hanasaki | what program or way do you recommend for keeping a client machine synced in time? it is only a client for an ntpserver |
| 15:48.24 | abrotman | encompass: there's also ntp-server pacakge iirc |
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| 15:48.45 | abrotman | !info ntp-server sarge |
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| 15:48.50 | dpkg | ntp-server: (Network Time Protocol: common server tools), section net, is optional. Version: 1:4.2.0a+stable-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 30 kB, Installed size: 176 kB |
| 15:48.52 | hanasaki | lol did you come in in the middle fo the saem conversation? |
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| 15:49.06 | Maulkin | encompass: apt-get install ntp-server |
| 15:49.08 | ravenbird | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'Nebula Awards Showcase' returned no results. |
| 15:49.10 | Maulkin | encompass: That'll sort it out |
| 15:49.13 | nvz | pedro420: heh. Steve was talkin about Jenna when I seen him yesturday. He didnt even know her name though. He thought it was Joni he was talking to. He's not like me, has no standards so he found them interesting. Its not that I didnt like them, I just didnt get a good impression of them that night :P |
| 15:49.19 | encompass | ok thanks |
| 15:49.38 | Zwartetoorts | CFLAGS="-I/usr/src/include" LDFLAGS="-L/usr/local/lib" ./configure --enable-a-whole-lot-of-switches fails, why doesn't the ./configure know where it put the static libraries and the headers for the libraries I compiled before? |
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| 15:50.44 | hanasaki | what are the pros/cons of openntpd ntp-server chrony? |
| 15:51.32 | abrotman | it is sooo sunday |
| 15:51.34 | Maulkin | IIRC, openntpd has some fundimental flaws |
| 15:51.38 | nvz | pedro420: Jenna was asking people to rub her feet cause she was wearing these god aweful boots and I sat and watched James and Steve take two different approaches at the situation. and it was just amusing to me. James made her rub his feet before doing it for her, and then Steve told her its all her fault for not wearing something more comfortable, stating that as guys we couldnt care less what was on her feet |
| 15:51.48 | hanasaki | ut o.. no flaws for me |
| 15:51.57 | encompass | the ntp service is not running but no goot when I try to use the gnome program |
| 15:51.57 | pedro420 | nvz: Steve would fsck anything with a hole |
| 15:52.02 | nvz | pedro420: yep |
| 15:52.14 | hanasaki | encompass: what sever are you running? |
| 15:52.24 | encompass | the heck if I know |
| 15:52.25 | Maulkin | hanasaki: it promotes it's stratum even though it shoudn't |
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| 15:52.41 | hanasaki | Maulkin: ewww no openntpd for me then |
| 15:52.55 | morale | how do i make dhclient /not/ overwrite my default gateway when i get a dhcp lease on another interface? |
| 15:52.56 | encompass | pool.ntp.org |
| 15:53.03 | Maulkin | hanasaki: yeah. I think it says it's a stratum 2 server even if syncing from a stratum 3 |
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| 15:53.23 | Maulkin | encompass: Don't use teh gnome program. |
| 15:53.25 | nvz | pedro420: if she wasnt just being stupid I would have helped her out. I know a thing or two about feet and how the nerve endings in your feet can cause pain or comfort throughout the body depending on how you treat them. |
| 15:53.31 | Maulkin | encompass: did you apt-get install ntp-server? |
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| 15:53.59 | encompass | yes |
| 15:54.00 | hanasaki | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:54.08 | encompass | and I saw the service start |
| 15:54.33 | Maulkin | encompass: is pool.ntp.org in /etc/ntp.conf ? |
| 15:54.39 | encompass | yes |
| 15:54.43 | Maulkin | encompass: Then don't do anything, it's already working |
| 15:54.44 | encompass | that is where I looked |
| 15:54.46 | nvz | was her own fault like Steve said, and that was just a really lame plea for attention. |
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| 15:55.04 | encompass | umm, then why would the gnome program do that? |
| 15:55.15 | Maulkin | I dunno what the gnome program does. |
| 15:55.26 | encompass | I think a girl deserves better rights then that |
| 15:55.32 | Maulkin | but if ntpd is running, it'll be working (probably) |
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| 15:55.41 | encompass | for heaven sakes, they have periods! |
| 15:55.46 | encompass | ok |
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| 15:56.06 | pedro420 | nvz: Casey said they were a bit ditzy |
| 15:56.11 | nvz | pedro420: I need to call T and get him to make a delivery. and I also am feeling motivated to go buy some food |
| 15:56.13 | hanasaki | ntpserver also seems to exit if its too far off from the clock its syncing from.. why? |
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| 15:56.39 | dsl_ | hey room |
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| 15:56.54 | Maulkin | hanasaki: Because it can't sync somethiogn that's too far out |
| 15:57.02 | Maulkin | hanasaki: use ntpdate to correct it first |
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| 15:57.13 | hanasaki | bummer.. some of my systmes come up and were on the wrong time scale.. ie were win boxes not on gmt |
| 15:57.28 | nvz | pedro420: I noticed. I was in no mood to deal with them at that point. I was tired from a week of working nights and wasnt feeling much like reaching out very far for anyone.. and they were way out there. |
| 15:57.29 | Maulkin | hanasaki: tzconfig is your friend |
| 15:57.45 | travo | I am pretty new to Linux and am using Debian Gnome. I am wondering what is a good "starter" programming launguage to learn that could be VERY useful in the Linux enviorment. |
| 15:57.56 | jdhutchin1 | travo, python |
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| 15:58.03 | hanasaki | Maulkin: pls explain |
| 15:58.06 | jdhutchin1 | travo, but everyone will give you different answers |
| 15:58.10 | Maulkin | travo: prolly python or perl. |
| 15:58.19 | abrotman | gah .. it's only 11am |
| 15:58.22 | hanasaki | tzconfig |
| 15:58.22 | hanasaki | Your current time zone is set to US/Central |
| 15:58.22 | hanasaki | Do you want to change that? [n]: |
| 15:58.33 | Maulkin | hanasaki: is that your time zone? |
| 15:58.42 | hanasaki | travo: use java.. it works on win too |
| 15:58.47 | travo | LOL! I figured as much. I am just looking for something to help me get my feet wet |
| 15:58.51 | hanasaki | Maulkin: yes |
| 15:58.59 | Maulkin | hanasaki: then your timezone is right. |
| 15:59.00 | abrotman | travo: what do you want to program ? |
| 15:59.13 | nvz | travo: python has some execellent documentation |
| 15:59.23 | goccia | perl perl perl : how can you live ignoring perl ? |
| 15:59.34 | abrotman | because .. it's not for someone new to programming |
| 15:59.44 | Maulkin | hanasaki: So what's the problem with ntpd/ntpdate ? |
| 15:59.54 | travo | hanasaki: yes, I have tried to learn Java before, I didn't have the time to really dedicate to it as of now. I know I am going to have to take time to learn this, but am looking for something that isn't moving a million miles an hour (constantly changing and updating) |
| 16:00.06 | Maulkin | perl :) |
| 16:00.07 | hanasaki | Maulkin: i dont want the server ntp running on their computers |
| 16:00.09 | hanasaki | just a client |
| 16:00.10 | abrotman | travo: what do you want to program ? |
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| 16:00.37 | hanasaki | travo: use the force hehe.. gnome updates every umm 8mo? |
| 16:00.39 | travo | abrotman: just loooking for something that I can write small programs within Linux to help me out with running apps and other small helper like programming |
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| 16:00.51 | hanasaki | travo: so admin? |
| 16:00.51 | Maulkin | hanasaki: ntpdate will do that |
| 16:00.53 | travo | hanasaki: LOL! no joke man |
| 16:01.01 | abrotman | travo: python has gtk bindings .. |
| 16:01.06 | travo | hanasaki: pretty much man |
| 16:01.11 | abrotman | !pygtk |
| 16:01.11 | dpkg | methinks pygtk is http://pygtk.org |
| 16:01.18 | Maulkin | !start a language war |
| 16:01.18 | dpkg | Pascal is more readable than Oberon |
| 16:01.19 | nvz | travo: the docs take form of a Tutorial, Library Reference, Global Module Index, and a Language Reference. so if you like a course-like structure you can use the tutorial, or if you prefer do dive right in, you can use the Language/Library References and Global Module Index |
| 16:01.34 | hanasaki | travo: most i know use bash ksh and perl to do alot of admin |
| 16:01.53 | travo | NVZ: what language? |
| 16:02.02 | travo | hanasaki: yes, my buddy swears by Bash |
| 16:02.16 | nvz | travo: python its a loosly typed, whitespace sensitive, scripting language with high-level modules for all sorts of common needs |
| 16:02.17 | hanasaki | hmm had to reboot my pho |
| 16:02.25 | hanasaki | hmm had to reboot my phone to get it to time sync |
| 16:02.43 | hanasaki | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:02.43 | hanasaki | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:02.51 | hanasaki | ntpq: read: Connection refused |
| 16:02.54 | goccia | i found a script , an anciet script by a greek called socrates , believe it or not it runs :) |
| 16:03.09 | goccia | cannot say the same for python ... |
| 16:03.26 | hanasaki | bbl |
| 16:03.36 | jelly | goccia: python is not greek? |
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| 16:03.37 | travo | NVZ: python is the one you were talking about having a "learn as you go" kind of program? |
| 16:03.39 | XxX | hi , pakage for mpg to avi ??? |
| 16:03.44 | nvz | travo: complex tasks especially involving math and manipulation of data types are dead simple in python |
| 16:03.59 | goccia | jelly: i mean : perl take care of updates :) |
| 16:04.02 | travo | nvz: aaaahhhhhhh, awesome |
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| 16:05.00 | travo | nvz: where would be a good place to start learning Python? |
| 16:05.05 | nvz | travo: python is very friendly to new users. and the documentation is pretty good and like I said they rewritten much the same data into different forms of documentation for each kind of person.. where some might like to walk through the tutorial, I prefer to jump directly to the modules or sections I am working on |
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| 16:06.05 | nvz | travo: download a copy of python and the documentation and perhaps a development tool like idle which helps out with syntax highlighting, whitespace management, traceback debugging and also gives you a shell to test pieces of code in |
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| 16:06.28 | nvz | travo: you can accomplish the same with your favorite terminal, shell, and editor.. but if you are new you may prefer something like IDLE |
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| 16:07.04 | ury | hello moto |
| 16:07.08 | nvz | travo: I like to keep all 4 documentation pages open in separate browser tabs when I use python so I can quickly draw reference as needed |
| 16:07.09 | travo | nvz: sweet! That sounds like the one I will go after |
| 16:07.38 | pedro420 | nvz: Yeah food sounds good |
| 16:08.05 | travo | nvz: right on man, any other suggestions? |
| 16:08.15 | nvz | pedro420: I just ate some Ramen noodles to help settle my nausea |
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| 16:09.09 | nvz | travo: if you have a good idea of a first project and a basic understanding of programming structure and algebra you should be able to dive right in.. one of my first encounters was making a way for people to email me from my website without complex server extensions |
| 16:09.44 | nvz | travo: I made a form on my webpage with a text area, and a submit button and then made a small 10 line or so python CGI script to process the data and mail it |
| 16:09.45 | travo | nvz: awesome, I am trying to kick up my site a couple of notches |
| 16:10.11 | nvz | travo: I basically just called up the CGI from the global module index and read it through and dove right in |
| 16:10.12 | travo | nvz: do you still have your site up? |
| 16:10.22 | nvz | travo: na, I havent maintained a website in a long time |
| 16:10.28 | travo | oh ok |
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| 16:11.18 | travo | nvz: I am trying to toally revamp mine and throw it in a new direction, so I am pulling my hair out right now because I really didn't know where to start |
| 16:11.35 | pedro420 | nvz: Yeah I got sick when we got home too much jungle juice. |
| 16:11.46 | pedro420 | shit went down like water |
| 16:11.50 | nvz | travo: I like python because it is simple and powerful. Things that would take me hours just defining structures, variables, and functions in C or something could be done in minutes with python because I dont have to explain what I am doing to the compiler. |
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| 16:12.03 | travo | nvz: I just made the switch to Linux and wished I would of done it years ago. Windows REALLY sucks compared to this OS |
| 16:12.31 | travo | nvz: sounds like a good program! |
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| 16:13.15 | aigarius | travo, I would suggest you look at either Ruby on Rails or Pyton and TurboGears |
| 16:13.21 | nvz | travo: in python you can do something simple like import listdir from os; Music=os.listdir("/home/nvz/Music") and instantly Music is an array containing each file in that dir, and I can now pull out filenames one at a time with simple list functions like Music[0] or Music.Sort() |
| 16:13.33 | Dinofly | hello |
| 16:13.37 | pedro420 | nvz: Ended up prayin to the porcelin god |
| 16:13.48 | nvz | travo: in C I would have had to declare my array, allocate resources for my file ..blah blah blah |
| 16:14.05 | travo | nvz: daaaaaaaaaamn |
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| 16:14.09 | nvz | travo: python requires no declaration of type. whatever you put into something is what the type becomes |
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| 16:14.14 | L_ | Which packages does debootstrap need? |
| 16:14.23 | aigarius | travo: I learned python within 2-3 days while writing an important piece of software, so it really is "learn as you go" |
| 16:14.25 | Dinofly | i'm having a little problem with php5 and mysql5 in debian testing, the mysql connector seems to be for the 4.1 version of mysql only |
| 16:14.29 | L_ | I want to debootstrap a computer not connected to the internet |
| 16:14.55 | travo | aigarius: damn, really??? |
| 16:15.16 | Dinofly | does someone know how to connect php5 and mysql5 ? |
| 16:15.17 | cheal | Dinofly: php5 in debian testing, eh? |
| 16:15.17 | aigarius | L_, there was a file with list of packages somewhere in the debootstrap package |
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| 16:15.30 | Dinofly | cheal: mysql5 in testing but php5 for another source |
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| 16:15.31 | L_ | locate ??? |
| 16:15.40 | aigarius | travo, jep. it was SBackup for Google Summer of Code, acctually |
| 16:15.45 | aliumalik | is grub 2 being used in any of the netinst images? |
| 16:15.52 | nvz | pedro420: I was fine. I didnt get sick until about 8am this morning, and thats because I slept all afternoon after eating too much Wendy's and didnt want to call T. at like 1am so I ended up drinking again |
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| 16:15.56 | travo | nvz: I think this is really going to help me out, sounds like a powerful but simple launguage |
| 16:16.06 | cheal | Dinofly: it's a PHP thing, so your PHP source does matter |
| 16:16.06 | L_ | where is it in the package aigarius ? |
| 16:16.22 | travo | aigerius: holy crap man, good deal! |
| 16:16.38 | Maulkin | Dinofly: What's teh error? |
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| 16:16.41 | Dinofly | a simple mysql_connect gets a timeout |
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| 16:16.54 | prova | t |
| 16:16.57 | Dinofly | and phpinfo shows Client API version 4.1.11 |
| 16:16.57 | Maulkin | Dinofly: Can you try mysqli_connect? |
| 16:17.24 | Dinofly | i have not tried yet |
| 16:17.29 | aigarius | L_, /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/sarge - see the beginning of the file |
| 16:17.32 | Maulkin | Dinofly: I think this one may be one for #php to be honest. |
| 16:17.37 | Dinofly | okay |
| 16:17.39 | L_ | thanks |
| 16:17.42 | Dinofly | thanks |
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| 16:18.03 | travo | well guys, I am going to head out and get started on this. Thank you all for your help and time. It's great to be apart of the Linux world. It's something I should of done YEARS ago! If anyone wants to take a look, my website is--- www.trav-o.com let me know what you think. I have a long way to go. Thanks for the help and suggestions. ~~Trav-o |
| 16:18.08 | nvz | travo: yeah the nice thing is that unlike languages like BASIC its easily extendable using virtually any language and python code can even be easily embedded. so if you are making something in OO C++ and you get to a complicated area and you want to just quickly code that section in python to save time, its not a problem. Its also nice that by now python has so many high-level modules for virtually everything, os functions, parsing HTML, XML..P |
| 16:18.18 | BucWheat | what is the command to configure my eth0 ? |
| 16:18.24 | cheal | !booksmite nvz |
| 16:18.46 | bibe | BucWheat : ifconfig |
| 16:18.59 | BucWheat | that just shows the configuration |
| 16:19.05 | BucWheat | i thought it was netconfig or something like that |
| 16:19.06 | travo | nvz: right on!!! Thanks for your help man! I appriciate it! |
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| 16:19.16 | nvz | no problem |
| 16:20.03 | bibe | BucWheat : read the man page (man ifconfig), it can also configure your net parameters (IP address, and so on) |
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| 16:20.27 | dli | BucWheat, man interfaces |
| 16:20.34 | nvz | oh well I think I am going to go address my public.. heh </exaggerating> |
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| 16:21.32 | nvz | damn it _is_ sunday |
| 16:21.34 | KurtKraut | I've installed a second hard disk, partitioned as NTFS. How could I mount this second HD ? |
| 16:22.03 | zaplutus | mount -t ntfs /dev/hdx /mnt/ntfs |
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| 16:22.20 | abrotman | !irritate nvz |
| 16:22.22 | dpkg | nvz: HELP ME!!! who uses kde thx |
| 16:22.25 | nvz | heh |
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| 16:22.41 | abrotman | nvz: go steelers ? |
| 16:22.41 | nvz | I am going down to the Village, do some grocery shopping and meet T. |
| 16:22.48 | nvz | Stillers dammit! |
| 16:23.00 | abrotman | nvz: get some IC ? |
| 16:23.07 | nvz | na fuck that |
| 16:23.13 | abrotman | RR ? |
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| 16:23.28 | nvz | but I do need to get more money. I barely got enough to pay T. for his services much less shopping |
| 16:23.39 | nvz | I am never gonna save any money |
| 16:23.54 | nvz | looks like I wont be buying an iBook this year :P |
| 16:24.18 | abrotman | zaurus! |
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| 16:24.34 | abrotman | nvz: i know how to save money! |
| 16:24.36 | nvz | I have managed to have money left every week when I get paid, and thats nice..as well as getting paid in full all the time as opposed to at fedex where I only got little bits of money |
| 16:24.52 | abrotman | nvz: no more liquor store! |
| 16:25.08 | nvz | yeah I am done there. I was just drinking this week to prepair for that party |
| 16:25.15 | nvz | I dont party much so I need to warm up |
| 16:25.34 | pedro420 | nvz: Wendys is too greasy to eat drunk. |
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| 16:25.48 | huh | that's true. |
| 16:25.48 | nvz | anyhow I will be back later.. I got to get going I already called and woke T. up |
| 16:25.58 | newbie | Anyone any good with Wine here? |
| 16:26.14 | mjk64 | An exim4/IP question: I have subnets 192.168.{0,1,2,3,4}.0/24, can I tell exim4 to relay mail for "192.168.0.0/16" then? Or do I have to list each subnet separately, i. e. 192.168.0.0/24:192.168.1.0/24:192.168.2.0/24:...? Or is there some other kind of wildcard? |
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| 16:26.43 | newbie | On my normal user, when I try to setup wine (winesetup), I get this erro rmessage: |
| 16:26.45 | abrotman | mjk64: you can .. if you want .. the latter would be more secure |
| 16:26.47 | sylvisj | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 16:26.47 | sylvisj | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 16:26.47 | sylvisj | couldn't connect to display ":0.0" |
| 16:26.51 | Zugschlus | mjk64: you can tell exim to relay for the /16 then, but beware of the consequences |
| 16:26.54 | abrotman | !sux |
| 16:26.54 | dpkg | sux is, like, su with xauth, to run X apps as root: http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ or sucks, or "I have an exagerrated opinion about something I don't really know much about.", or apt-get install sux, or something that anyone who spells "sucks" as "sux" does. |
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| 16:27.22 | mjk64 | Zugschlus: Which consequences? The local net is controlled by me alone, and I'm the only user. |
| 16:27.29 | sylvisj | Anyone mind helpin me out? |
| 16:27.53 | mjk64 | Zugschlus: You mean someone stealing an IP address in a yet unused subnet, right? |
| 16:27.56 | dli | mjk64, why not 192.168.0.0/21 ? it's up to 192.168.7. |
| 16:28.09 | mjk64 | abrotman: Yeah, but I was just wondering if that's possible .. |
| 16:28.23 | Zugschlus | mjk64: network extension in the future might allow relaying to hosts that you don't want to relay for |
| 16:28.46 | mjk64 | dli: Oh, that's also a good idea to be both lazy (not much to type/administer) and secure (contraining the range), thx! |
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| 16:29.21 | sylvisj | <-- Needs help with wine |
| 16:29.22 | sylvisj | !wine |
| 16:29.22 | dpkg | [wine] at http://www.winehq.com/ or #winehq. It stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator or alternative win32 API. very buggy, will be a major part of the death of M$. The sources.list lines are: deb http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main, deb-src http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main. apt-get install shiraz, or a tasty alcoholic beverage. |
| 16:29.28 | beardy | !whine |
| 16:29.28 | dpkg | methinks whine is saying "I want you to hold my hand while I install debian because I'm too lazy to read the docs!" |
| 16:29.28 | dli | mjk64, or, remove the 192.168.4.0 ( I doubt it's necessary), make it 192.168.0.0/22 |
| 16:29.31 | mjk64 | Zugschlus: Mmh. Okay, I think I'll go for security first and list each subnet explicitely. |
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| 16:30.00 | Zugschlus | mjk64: dli's suggestions sound appropriate |
| 16:30.03 | sylvisj | beardy, Debian is all set up, I'm just needing help with wine. |
| 16:30.04 | abrotman | sylvisj: #winehq |
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| 16:30.08 | sylvisj | Thx abrotman |
| 16:30.09 | mjk64 | dli: It is necessary. :-} Well, not _really_ necessary, but I have one subnet per interface. |
| 16:30.31 | mjk64 | Zugschlus: If only there wasn't 192.168.4.0. :-} |
| 16:30.42 | beardy | sylvisj: You have to ask a question to get an answer. |
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| 16:31.01 | Zugschlus | mjk64: you would alloe relaying for 192.168.4.0 with the /16 as well, and you can exclude 4.0/24 in the list as well |
| 16:31.05 | Zugschlus | just read spec.txt for the format |
| 16:31.12 | witless | is it possible to reboot a server from the console if /sbin/ directory isn't available? |
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| 16:31.31 | Zugschlus | witless: is the kill binary available? |
| 16:31.45 | mjk64 | Zugschlus: good idea, will read that now ... |
| 16:31.47 | witless | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:31.49 | guitoune | hum, i don't manage to upload backup files with backup-manager via ssh |
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| 16:32.13 | guitoune | but i can connect via ssh on the two hosts without pass, just with ss-key |
| 16:32.17 | guitoune | +h |
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| 16:34.33 | abrotman | !moo |
| 16:34.33 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 16:35.52 | beardy | witless: Is Magic SysRq key compiled into the kernel? |
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| 16:37.09 | beardy | witless: What has happened to /sbin then? |
| 16:37.35 | mrnull | My new testing installation doesn't have drivers for my onboard audio (Realtek ALC Series AC'97). Any packages I can install to fix this? |
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| 16:37.45 | sylvisj | How do I set my default eth connection to eth1 instead of eth0? |
| 16:37.57 | witless | beardy: disk error of some kind - raid took the drive off-line |
| 16:38.06 | Zugschlus | sylvisj: just configure it |
| 16:38.35 | mrnull | sylvisj: /etc/network/interfaces -- You'll see a section |
| 16:38.55 | beardy | witless: Does anything happen if you press Alt-PrintScrn? |
| 16:39.04 | dli | witless, not raid-5? |
| 16:39.13 | brrrt | is it true that if a partition gets full files get lost, or corrupted? |
| 16:39.19 | sylvisj | Only non-hash lines: auto lo |
| 16:39.19 | sylvisj | iface lo inet loopback |
| 16:39.31 | beardy | witless: Alt-PrintScrn-z I mean |
| 16:39.38 | witless | dli: raid1 |
| 16:39.54 | witless | beardy: i have an ssh session to the server |
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| 16:40.36 | beardy | witless: ok, you said console though.. |
| 16:40.43 | witless | sorry |
| 16:41.14 | witless | so any way to restart :-/ |
| 16:41.21 | dli | witless, wonder whether you can scp a reboot, shutdown to it |
| 16:41.31 | witless | it won't scp |
| 16:41.37 | sylvisj | mrnull: I don't have a line in interfaces for eth. I pasted the only two non-hash-marked lines in there. |
| 16:41.44 | beardy | witless: If it ssh:s, it will scp. |
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| 16:41.54 | witless | beardy: the connection was established before the problem |
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| 16:42.03 | dli | witless, then, just kill processes |
| 16:42.24 | dli | witless, can you run scp on it? |
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| 16:42.48 | witless | how should i kill processes in order to reboot? |
| 16:42.49 | sylvisj | Great, mrnull is gone. |
| 16:43.07 | dli | witless, to avoid fs errors |
| 16:43.22 | brrrt | my hd is 91% full, do i have to fear dataloss? |
| 16:43.30 | piplined | brrrt: No. |
| 16:43.34 | sh2 | hello |
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| 16:43.55 | beardy | witless: umount is in /bin |
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| 16:44.00 | twixter | I have added a line to my /etc/fstab file to recognize a Windows partition: /dev/hda1 /windows vfat defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=002 0 0 |
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| 16:44.19 | abrotman | !vfatrw |
| 16:44.20 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS. |
| 16:44.23 | beardy | witless: Just unmount everything and hit reset/cut the power. |
| 16:44.28 | witless | beardy: /bin appears available |
| 16:44.31 | twixter | but when I try to mount /dev/hda1 /windows as root, i get an eroor that /windows is not a mount point |
| 16:44.40 | witless | beardy: i'm about 20 miles from the server |
| 16:44.43 | beardy | witless: Or, hmm, if you're ssh:ing I guess the box is not in reach? |
| 16:44.52 | brrrt | piplined: thx, i just got worried, because i once read, there could be a problem with full partitions... |
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| 16:45.26 | beardy | witless: Well, get a statically compiled shutdown, or what you need, and use that? |
| 16:45.40 | beardy | witless: Can you get out from the box? |
| 16:46.03 | sandman | Tower is vertical.. what's the name for a box that lays horizontally? |
| 16:46.20 | beardy | sandman: "desktop" |
| 16:46.43 | witless | beardy: no, i/o error running ssh |
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| 16:46.45 | sandman | Is there any definate inherent drawback for using a desktop vs. a tower? |
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| 16:46.55 | sandman | Because I prefer desktops as you can place the monitor atop them |
| 16:46.57 | beardy | witless: make outgoing connections I mean, with a browser or ftp, or something? |
| 16:47.20 | abrotman | twixter: does /windows exist ? |
| 16:47.24 | witless | beardy: i get io errors trying to execute them |
| 16:47.30 | dli | witless, how about apt-get? |
| 16:47.32 | twixter | other than in the fstab file, no |
| 16:47.33 | sylvisj | How do I stop the wine server/ |
| 16:47.34 | sylvisj | ? |
| 16:47.39 | witless | nope... |
| 16:47.41 | twixter | how do i make /windows exist? |
| 16:47.42 | beardy | sandman: Not a lotof people like them, they have less space, but if you like them, use them. |
| 16:47.42 | abrotman | twixter: guess what .. that's a problem |
| 16:47.48 | abrotman | twixter: mkdir /windows/ |
| 16:47.54 | abrotman | as root |
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| 16:48.02 | twixter | okay thanks very much |
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| 16:48.24 | sandman | Will a CD-ROM break if you use it sideways? |
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| 16:48.26 | witless | hm... looks like i'm taking a ride... |
| 16:48.27 | beardy | sandman: Or well, I don't know what people like, but towers are much more common anyway. |
| 16:48.32 | sandman | Such that the tray is vertical? |
| 16:48.37 | dli | witless, even if it does reboot, it couldn't find /sbin, and it kernel panic |
| 16:48.37 | witless | thanks beardy |
| 16:48.37 | sandman | beardy: Indeed they are |
| 16:48.59 | witless | dli: it will find it on reboot - this happened before |
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| 16:51.12 | beardy | witless: And you can't call anyone that can reset it hard? After you tried unmounting the filesystems? |
| 16:51.23 | dli | if it happens often, you make a backup of /sbin :) |
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| 16:52.08 | beardy | or get a thing that can reboot no matter what, a statically compiled thing, or something that needs no libraries, something written in assembly. |
| 16:52.20 | GutterPunk | hi |
| 16:52.28 | sandman | What makes a CPU good at running VMachines? Lots of l1 cache? Lots of l2? Both? |
| 16:52.29 | GutterPunk | i installed etherconf with aptitude. It ran that time. But I don't know how to use it to reconfigure my interfaces :s |
| 16:52.34 | sandman | Just raw MHz? What? |
| 16:52.36 | beardy | or a telephone operated power switch :) |
| 16:52.44 | GutterPunk | it's some debconf command apparently :/ |
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| 16:53.16 | piplined | sandman: hardware support for a hypervisor is always a good thing. |
| 16:53.46 | piplined | sandman: Massive SMP is also good, assuming that your software allows you to dedicate chips to your individual VMs |
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| 16:53.51 | sandman | piplined: hypervisor? |
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| 16:53.53 | dli | beardy, or point the cd-rom of another computer to the reset button, and use "eject" to reboot |
| 16:53.57 | sandman | piplined: Isn't that Xen-type stuff? |
| 16:54.08 | piplined | sandman: Xen is the comedy option of hypervisors. |
| 16:54.12 | beardy | dli: That's a good one too. |
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| 16:54.26 | piplined | sandman: IBM VM/ESA, IBM LPARs, Solaris Zones -- proper VM setups |
| 16:54.27 | sandman | piplined: What's a good one? |
| 16:54.37 | beardy | dli: More cool with a little debian-running robot though. |
| 16:54.42 | sandman | piplined: I'll bet Xen will get there eventually. |
| 16:54.53 | piplined | sandman: I can tell you right now that it won't. |
| 16:55.01 | sandman | piplined: How's that? |
| 16:55.08 | beardy | dli: That can walk around and hit reset. :) |
| 16:55.12 | sandman | piplined: It's OSS. OSS always gets there eventually. |
| 16:55.21 | dli | beardy, if they two pointing to each other, you don't have to walk around |
| 16:55.26 | piplined | sandman: A lovely myth. |
| 16:55.59 | piplined | sandman: Not to mention, no amount of software handwaving will make up for deficiencies in the hardware. |
| 16:56.08 | beardy | dli: No, but then you could do other things, such as put cd:s in the drive, if you have to boot from cd. |
| 16:56.17 | piplined | sandman: IBM hardware supports virtual machines at the hardware level. So does Sun hardware, to a lesser extent. |
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| 16:56.41 | piplined | sandman: Solaris Zones kick the shit out of Xen for another reason: Because it's running another copy of Solaris, and only Solaris, it can get away with a ton of performance cheats that Xen will never be able to make. |
| 16:56.44 | bootleg- | does debian have kickstart installation like anaconda ? |
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| 16:56.57 | sandman | piplined: Oh, if you're referring to hardware vs. software then yes, sorry I misunderstood the depth of your argument there. |
| 16:57.00 | dli | bootleg-, FAI |
| 16:57.05 | piplined | sandman: It drives me nuts that Xen doesn't allow you to dedicate processors to individual VMs. Ruins performance. |
| 16:57.07 | sandman | piplined: Just hardware yes indeed. |
| 16:57.07 | beardy | bootleg-: What does kickstart mean in this case? |
| 16:57.33 | bootleg- | like an automated installation a clone of a previous one to another machine .. |
| 16:57.44 | dli | beardy, booting from cd and remotely? :( doesn't help usually |
| 16:57.55 | bootleg- | dli sorry what is FAI? |
| 16:58.12 | sandman | Would having gpm and X running @ the same time cause the mouse in X to skip every so often? |
| 16:58.14 | piplined | sandman: Hardware sucking aside, Xen, the software, doesn't compare to Sun Solaris or IBM VM :P |
| 16:58.20 | piplined | sandman: Possibly. I hate gpm |
| 16:58.29 | dli | beardy, there are so many useless old cdrom there, good to find them be a valuable remote control |
| 16:58.30 | Coweater | kill it and see |
| 16:58.38 | dli | bootleg-, apt-get install fai |
| 16:58.47 | beardy | dli: Why not? Of course it have to be a custom cd that is configured to bring up the box on the network and so on. |
| 16:58.48 | dli | bootleg-, google "fai installation" |
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| 16:59.02 | sandman | piplined: Doesn't Solaris Zones only work as new Solaris Instances? |
| 16:59.17 | _karma_ | quick question: all of a sudden, my digital camera isnt being auto mounted when connected via usb. I had no probs about a week ago, now all of a sudden it stopped automounting, so I cant access the pictures...how would I go upon manually mounting it so I can access it again? |
| 16:59.22 | bootleg- | thanks ... :) |
| 16:59.39 | piplined | sandman: Yes. |
| 16:59.55 | dli | beardy, what's the price of a phone-in device? |
| 16:59.56 | sandman | piplined: That's not all I'd be looking for in terms of VMing. |
| 17:00.03 | sandman | piplined: Xen is moving toward XP emulation etc |
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| 17:00.21 | piplined | sandman: Worthless. |
| 17:00.24 | sandman | piplined: Solaris Zones sounds like user-mode-linux |
| 17:00.25 | beardy | dli: Yeah, you could setup a whole switchpanel operated by cdromejects :) |
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| 17:00.32 | dli | bootleg-, if you need more help with fai, ask in #fai or just msg me |
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| 17:00.58 | pedro420 | nvz: Yo nandrew ! When you get a free moment check to see if you gopt them glasses Becky just called here again wonderin if you got them or I found them. |
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| 17:01.11 | bootleg- | thanks again ... |
| 17:01.23 | dli | beardy, I have many useless cdrom here. don't want to set them up. :( too much freak style already |
| 17:01.32 | fy | http://en.hallowin.org/2/WOOOW.jpg |
| 17:01.35 | sandman | And of course there's always mount-binding /dev filesystems across chroots and of course mounting of procs on them, but that's not virtualizing hardware |
| 17:01.38 | Furio_G | hi all, I just did an "apt-get install gnome". When I reboot and type "gnome-session" it get a GtK-Warning. Any ideas on how to fix that? |
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| 17:02.20 | beardy | dli: So we'll go with the robot then? |
| 17:03.06 | beardy | dli: Well, a relayboard connected to a box that you call into with a modem can't cost much. |
| 17:03.18 | dli | beardy, what's the terrorist style thing? ringing, boom! couldn't be too complex for them |
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| 17:03.52 | beardy | dli: You lost me now.. |
| 17:04.43 | dli | beardy, I'm thinking about widely used remote control, then, here's the thought of remote control bombs |
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| 17:05.16 | beardy | dli: No need to blow the box up, rebooting was all we needed. |
| 17:05.21 | dorto | is there any Free control panel software(like cPanel or plesk) for debian? |
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| 17:05.33 | dli | beardy, call in is still a bad idea compared with cdrom |
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| 17:06.13 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 17:06.14 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. |
| 17:06.17 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 17:06.18 | dpkg | well, debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 17:06.28 | goldeDoubt | stew: thnks and also a big thnks to abrotman |
| 17:07.11 | dli | beardy, consider, is that really what you want? a phone call to reboot your server? |
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| 17:08.00 | beardy | dli: No, a normal login (but it's not safe, I know that, but who is wardialing these days?) |
| 17:09.23 | dli | beardy, still the cdrom thing can rely on ssh, 3rd-party safe |
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| 17:09.53 | beardy | dli: You don't need any 3rd party things to use a modem. |
| 17:10.07 | dorto | why don't the email clients allow us to specify diff smtp servers for diff accounts? |
| 17:10.32 | dorto | one smtp server address is stored and then diff pop server addresses for diff accounts |
| 17:11.14 | GutterPunk | What's the best way to reconfigure my network? |
| 17:11.33 | GutterPunk | I did it when I installed etherconf but I have no idea how to call that menu again |
| 17:12.02 | nkuttler | GutterPunk: man interfaces |
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| 17:12.15 | GutterPunk | nkuttler: thanks! |
| 17:12.16 | dli | GutterPunk, "man interfaces", and vi /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:12.31 | dli | GutterPunk, when you are done, "/etc/init.d/networking restart" |
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| 17:13.06 | beardy | dli: Perhaps I misunderstood 3rd party there.. oh well, your cdrom way is probably the best and most realistic, if the reset button is a good reachable-by-cdrom-trays one. |
| 17:13.37 | GutterPunk | dli: well yeah I know how to configure them manually, but I wanted to do it by frontend :) |
| 17:14.31 | beardy | dli: But you better not allow any users to use the cdrom :) |
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| 17:15.31 | TriKster-Abacus | hi fellas, having a problem, I am unable to get a movie player, I.E. mplayer to work on my box, I followed the directions here: http://www.princessleia.com/MPlayer.php |
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| 17:15.56 | TriKster-Abacus | was wondering if anyone had a repository that contained mplayer |
| 17:16.02 | beardy | !tell TriKster-Abacus -about mplayer |
| 17:16.03 | dli | beardy, you can insert more than one cdrom in :) |
| 17:16.07 | beardy | !tell TriKster-Abacus -about marillat |
| 17:16.19 | beardy | dli: yeah :) |
| 17:16.27 | dli | GutterPunk, never thought about that :( |
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| 17:16.42 | TriKster-Abacus | I dont think the bot is working |
| 17:17.07 | beardy | TriKster-Abacus: He told me that he told you though.. |
| 17:17.09 | beardy | !mplayer |
| 17:17.09 | dpkg | hmm... mplayer is not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga> |
| 17:17.11 | beardy | !marillat |
| 17:17.11 | dpkg | methinks marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt >= 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> |
| 17:17.17 | biohazrd | I have been searching on google, but have not gotten a clear answer. Is SATA cd burning supported in linux? It appears that SATA opperates on a SCSI layer. |
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| 17:17.56 | TriKster-Abacus | thanks beardy |
| 17:18.32 | beardy | TriKster-Abacus: no problem |
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| 17:19.13 | abrotman | goldeDoubt: all fixed ? |
| 17:19.34 | abrotman | ? |
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| 17:21.45 | GNU_ | how can i get the debian group cloak? |
| 17:22.47 | abrotman | GNU_: are you a developer ? |
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| 17:22.58 | GNU_ | abrotman, yes |
| 17:23.00 | electron | !tell electron about nvidia |
| 17:23.10 | abrotman | GNU_: a debian developer i mean |
| 17:23.41 | GNU_ | abrotman, i develope my own debian code ,not officially to debian :) |
| 17:23.49 | abrotman | GNU_: then afaik .. you cannot |
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| 17:24.36 | sweetlemon | loool to alll |
| 17:25.36 | electron | hey can someone give me a hand with eggdrop? |
| 17:25.43 | electron | I can't find the config file |
| 17:25.59 | abrotman | /etc/eggdrop/ ? |
| 17:26.20 | abrotman | electron: or look in /usr/share/doc/eggdrop/ for docs ? |
| 17:26.47 | ambrose | Does anyone else running Debian stable on sparc32 kernel-image-2.4.27-sparc32 get oopses? "kernel BUG in highmem.c:40" |
| 17:26.52 | abrotman | !sparc |
| 17:26.53 | dpkg | i heard sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
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| 17:26.55 | electron | there is no /etc/eggdrop |
| 17:26.59 | abrotman | electron: or look in /usr/share/doc/eggdrop/ for docs ? |
| 17:27.17 | abrotman | or eggdrop --help ? |
| 17:27.30 | ambrose | 2.4.27-2-sparc32 |
| 17:27.41 | beardy | electron: Or eggheads.org (?) or #eggdrop |
| 17:27.41 | abrotman | ambrose: try #debian-sparc |
| 17:27.48 | ambrose | thanks |
| 17:27.49 | electron | I've been reading |
| 17:27.54 | abrotman | man eggdrop ? |
| 17:27.59 | electron | it is suppoed to be in /home/user/ |
| 17:28.01 | beardy | !factinfo sparc |
| 17:28.02 | dpkg | sparc -- created by KingNato <isildur@212.28.215.84> at Fri Jun 30 08:14:28 2000 (1948 days); last modified at Sat Sep 23 12:13:44 2000 by [spectre]!spectre@t3o317p90.teliauk.com; it has been requested 161 times, last by abrotman, 1m 9s ago. |
| 17:28.04 | electron | but it's not |
| 17:28.23 | electron | Im running Ubuntu, but no one was replying to my in #ubuntu |
| 17:28.31 | electron | I got it with apt-get |
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| 17:29.25 | abrotman | electron: ask #eggdrop .. read the docs .. we don't use ubuntu |
| 17:29.32 | beardy | At least he was honest. |
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| 17:32.00 | fabienZ | hey |
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| 17:32.14 | pjota | hi folqs! |
| 17:32.15 | sweetlemon | can someone tell me what's the most stable distro made with debian core? |
| 17:32.16 | biohazrd | Does anyone know if SATA CD/DVD burning is supported in linux? |
| 17:32.28 | beardy | sweetlemon: Debian. |
| 17:32.34 | sweetlemon | haha |
| 17:32.36 | pjota | i compiled the new 2.6.14 kernel but it down run now |
| 17:32.37 | sweetlemon | ok |
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| 17:32.56 | pjota | when i try to init thru GRUB a message jump |
| 17:32.57 | beardy | sweetlemon: For the moment Debian Sarge. |
| 17:33.19 | pjota | Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition 0x83 |
| 17:33.20 | fabienZ | hmmm debian sarge until sid become stabke :) |
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| 17:33.30 | beardy | It never will. |
| 17:33.31 | sweetlemon | ok, and is it for desktops??? |
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| 17:33.33 | pjota | Error 2: Bad file directory or type |
| 17:33.48 | beardy | sweetlemon: It's for whatever you want. |
| 17:34.04 | sweetlemon | k, i'll look for it... |
| 17:34.06 | sweetlemon | thanx |
| 17:34.12 | beardy | !di |
| 17:34.13 | dpkg | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html |
| 17:34.17 | beardy | !d-i |
| 17:34.17 | dpkg | hmm... d-i is you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ |
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| 17:34.26 | Chronoz | hey, i just installed debian sid and would like xorg. do i need to get x-window-system before xserver-xorg, or what? |
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| 17:35.14 | beardy | Chronoz: You can find out. |
| 17:35.16 | cheal | Chronoz: you don't want to run sid. perhaps reinstall testing |
| 17:35.18 | pjota | no help for my kernel issue? |
| 17:35.25 | pjota | maybe it's a bad GRUB config? |
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| 17:35.38 | ke6isf | !tell pjota -about enter |
| 17:35.44 | Chronoz | cheal: i do want to run sid :) |
| 17:35.58 | ke6isf | pjota: punctuating lines with enter causes it to be broken up, and we lose track of the problem. |
| 17:36.03 | ke6isf | !tell pjota -about ask |
| 17:36.14 | cheal | Chronoz: why? |
| 17:36.26 | beardy | !tell Chronoz -about get xorg |
| 17:36.54 | cheal | pjota: why are you compiling a kernel? |
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| 17:37.10 | pjota | i want the new 2.6.14 version |
| 17:37.25 | pjota | i run now Sarge dafault |
| 17:37.33 | pjota | 2.4.?? |
| 17:37.35 | ke6isf | pjota: Why do you need 2.6.14? |
| 17:37.36 | nvz | pedro420: I wonder if Marky is workin, I seen him drive by earlier.. I need his ass to bring me a pizza to the park :P |
| 17:37.52 | Chronoz | cheal: for all the new packages |
| 17:37.56 | pjota | i want to install Gnome |
| 17:38.06 | pjota | i found a package tha needs 2.6.x |
| 17:38.15 | cheal | Chronoz: you can't need the new version of all packages |
| 17:38.17 | pjota | Gnome 2.12 |
| 17:38.24 | beardy | pjota: Just apt-get a 2.6 kernel-image |
| 17:38.34 | Chronoz | cheal: it's not that i NEED them ... |
| 17:38.39 | nvz | I am feeling unmotivated to cook for just myself |
| 17:38.43 | shib | i installed KDE, but if i boot it's still text-based, what do i have to do so KDE starts up when i boot? |
| 17:38.58 | fabienZ | hmmm I'm outdated, debian has abandoned the stable-testing-unstable devellopement road ? |
| 17:38.59 | nvz | shib: install kdm |
| 17:39.00 | cheal | shib: consider installing kdm |
| 17:39.02 | ke6isf | pjota: And is there some feature you need in Gnome 2.12? And please stop breaking up your sentences with enter. |
| 17:39.07 | shib | ok |
| 17:39.10 | beardy | shib: Install kdm if KDE didn't bring it in. |
| 17:39.19 | pjota | why not compile 2.6.14 that 2.6.8? |
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| 17:39.33 | cheal | pjota: why do you want to install gnome 2.12? |
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| 17:39.55 | nvz | shib: KDM is the Kde Display Manager. it will run /etc/init.d/kdm start, at boot and start an X session and present you with a graphical login instead of the text login getty provides |
| 17:40.18 | cheal | pjota: gnome 2.12 doesn't need kernel 2.6.14 |
| 17:40.31 | nvz | shib: it even has options to automatically login a certain user when you boot if you want it to just boot directly to the desktop without a login |
| 17:40.51 | pjota | just install lastest veriosn. I test it on a Ubunto live-CD and i found it cute. Or i don't know do things like set rigt menu-bar on Gnome 2.10 |
| 17:41.02 | cheal | Chronoz: if you don't have a good reason to use sid, don't use it |
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| 17:41.25 | cheal | Chronoz: alternatively, stop asking support here. |
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| 17:41.30 | beardy | fabienZ: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 17:41.43 | Tortel | when will gnome 2.10+ be ready for stable, any ideas? |
| 17:41.45 | halibut | I have concerns about sata controller |
| 17:41.56 | Chronoz | cheal: ill do just that |
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| 17:42.27 | RedRum | Hello. |
| 17:42.28 | fabienZ | hmmm, etch is testing and sid is unstable, strange for me. thx beardy |
| 17:42.32 | RedRum | How are you all? |
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| 17:42.59 | spdf | I've got a bit of gas, but other than that, I'm pretty decent. |
| 17:43.07 | nvz | Monte Cellos isnt answering the damn phone. I could swear they were open sunday |
| 17:43.18 | beardy | shib: To get to the console when logged into X, or before logging in with kdm, Ctrl-Alt-F1 - F6, F7 to get back to kdm/X |
| 17:43.24 | cheal | Tortel: stuff is never "ready for stable". stuff gets in stable when there's a debian release |
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| 17:46.00 | nvz | RedRum: I'm both lazy and hungry. bad combination really |
| 17:46.12 | spdf | nvz, You could die. |
| 17:46.25 | nvz | I doubt I am in danger of dying anytime soon |
| 17:46.35 | nvz | I ate soup a few hours ago |
| 17:46.43 | spdf | nvz, That should sustain you for a day or two.. |
| 17:46.55 | nvz | just was enough to clear up my nausea didnt really hit the spot |
| 17:47.10 | RedRum | nvz, who r u? |
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| 17:47.17 | nvz | I wanted them bitches at Monte Cellos to deliver me a pizza but they arent answering the phone |
| 17:47.21 | nvz | I guess they arent open |
| 17:47.29 | spdf | THe might not open before lunch.. |
| 17:47.41 | spdf | Most pie places don't open until its financially viable.. |
| 17:47.45 | nvz | I havent tried Vocelli's I am not sure if I want Vocelli's or not |
| 17:47.46 | beardy | nvz: chocolate milk should last you until tomorrow at least ;) |
| 17:48.01 | nvz | RedRum: nvz |
| 17:48.21 | RedRum | no shit |
| 17:48.27 | shib | hmm, i installed KDM, and when i boot it says "Starting kdm", but it's still text-based |
| 17:48.29 | spdf | RedRum, He's Clark Kent |
| 17:48.30 | nvz | nope, no shit. |
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| 17:48.37 | beardy | haha |
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| 17:49.31 | dorto | anyone knows where irc channel for evolution is? |
| 17:49.35 | BladeRunner05 | hi all i'm running kernel 2.6.12-1-386 is this the last version ? |
| 17:49.39 | dorto | what network? |
| 17:49.46 | pjota | nope |
| 17:49.48 | beardy | dorto: #evolution ? |
| 17:49.48 | RedRum | no |
| 17:49.52 | spdf | BladeRunner05, Last? probably not.. |
| 17:49.56 | tarzeau | dorto: probalby on irc.gnome.org |
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| 17:49.59 | nvz | dorto: here is a wild idea try #evolution or goto their project website |
| 17:50.00 | bolrod | kernel.org ? |
| 17:50.03 | dli | shib, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg) |
| 17:50.12 | spdf | BladeRunner05, That's the lastest for Sarge atleast.. |
| 17:50.13 | pjota | BladeRunner05: you have ready to unload the 2.6.14 |
| 17:50.14 | dorto | k |
| 17:50.26 | BladeRunner05 | spdf: sure |
| 17:50.29 | dorto | i think irc.gnome.org should be it |
| 17:50.43 | BladeRunner05 | there is a version for debian ? |
| 17:50.51 | shib | k dli, i'll try |
| 17:51.02 | pjota | spdf: why he can´t install 2.6.14 on Sarge? |
| 17:51.06 | dorto | but its a kde project... |
| 17:51.16 | spdf | Ugh.. THe lastest packaged kernel.. |
| 17:51.22 | spdf | He can do whatever he wants.. |
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| 17:51.42 | beardy | spdf: latest |
| 17:51.48 | pjota | o, i guess he wass asking about kernel, simply |
| 17:51.51 | spdf | lastest.. whoops |
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| 17:52.16 | spdf | Laptop keys are too small for my manly sausage fingers.. |
| 17:52.36 | omi | hey what program can I use to capture a video from /dev/video |
| 17:52.49 | omi | there's so much crap to view tv/look at what you have but not to capture |
| 17:52.50 | pjota | BladeRunner05: you will try the 2.6.14 version? |
| 17:52.54 | walhala | !fr |
| 17:52.54 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 17:52.55 | omi | and vlc is just being a piece of crap |
| 17:52.58 | nvz | well I ordered from Vocelli's I need to keep calling Monte Cello's and then tell em nevermind I've been calling them for a half an hour and Vocelli's already made me a better pizza |
| 17:53.05 | tarzeau | omi: xvidcap but that's from an x screen |
| 17:53.06 | omi | (synchronization issues, etc, etc) |
| 17:53.08 | nvz | fuckers |
| 17:53.09 | nvz | heh |
| 17:53.30 | dorto | !de |
| 17:53.31 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 17:53.33 | spdf | nvz, haha, try and get some sort of compinsation for your time. Or moan into the phone while you eat from the box of their rival.. |
| 17:53.36 | dorto | o.0 |
| 17:53.45 | omi | can xvidcap save in divx or mpeg4? |
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| 17:53.52 | tarzeau | omi: i think so, yes |
| 17:53.52 | nvz | I didnt want to sit here and wait was the thing.. if I got hold of Monte Cello's I could have gotten them to deliver to the park.. cause the delivery driver knows me |
| 17:53.59 | omi | coolness |
| 17:54.04 | omi | let me try it , thanks |
| 17:54.21 | nvz | spdf: I told the dude from Vocelli they wouldnt answer the phone at Monte Cello and he said, oh well I can make you a better pizza |
| 17:54.27 | omi | which package it is from? |
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| 17:55.23 | pjota | !es |
| 17:55.23 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 17:56.03 | nvz | Vocelli is cheaper anyhow I belive their small is a 10" for $6 |
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| 17:56.56 | spdf | nvz, As long as the pizza is good, sounds like a pretty good chain of events.. |
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| 17:58.51 | Varanger | I have a strange problem, I have installed Debian on /dev/sda7 (reiserfs) |
| 17:59.04 | omi | xvidcap is useless to capture from v4l devices |
| 17:59.08 | Varanger | In /dev/sda8, I have a NTFS partition |
| 17:59.09 | omi | it is only a screen capture |
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| 17:59.23 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:59.25 | zoombie | when a program is run via cron, what "user" is running it? |
| 17:59.28 | Varanger | but if I see the fstab file, the root partition appear as /dev/sda8... |
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| 17:59.47 | tarzeau | zoombie: depends who setup the cron |
| 17:59.50 | nvz | must be nice to work whenever the hell you want and make a ton of money like they do |
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| 18:00.51 | Loevborg | Does anyone know if there's a simple http proxy server daemon available? I need it in an ad hoc fashion, and don't want to configure squid. |
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| 18:01.12 | tarzeau | Loevborg: there's a simpleproxy package? |
| 18:01.14 | zoombie | tarzeau: all i did was stick an entry in /etc/cron.daily (this is on a fedora box) |
| 18:01.21 | tarzeau | Loevborg: you didn't ask for caching, right? |
| 18:01.23 | lindi- | Loevborg: why do you need it? |
| 18:01.37 | tarzeau | zoombie: but why do you ask here? if it's not debian like #debian ? |
| 18:02.04 | zoombie | i'd hoped it'd be a "oh, it's run by 'cron'" thing |
| 18:02.09 | nceterval | Hello, apt-get commands keep dying with segfaults on my system. I'm thinking some file must have accidentaly been made read only. Does that sound plausible? How can I fix this? |
| 18:02.18 | zoombie | rather than a "that's too complicated to answer easily" thing |
| 18:02.22 | Loevborg | lindi-, circumventing IP subnet restrictions |
| 18:02.24 | zoombie | i'll pester the fedora people though |
| 18:02.36 | nvz | I tried that anonproxy package once.. I didnt like it though. Its a good idea, works sort of like tor's service |
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| 18:03.35 | Gigs | I'm having trouble setting up my printer in debian. I'm at the CUPS web admin thing, I set it up, but every time I print a test page it immediately goes into the "cancelled job" list. Printer State: idle, accepting jobs. Device URI: lpd://192.168.0.254/L2 |
| 18:03.48 | Loevborg | tarzeau, no caching yes. Is a general tcp proxy enough to act as a http proxy? |
| 18:04.14 | dobby_ | halli halo, wie machi das wenni mit rsync -avz den inhalt vomene directory will synchronisiere? will rsync -avz bla schribt mir jo bla in dr anderi ordner |
| 18:04.16 | Gigs | Setting it up as raw seemed to make the printer puke garbage (raw PS as text), but setting it up as HP laserjet just causes the above to happen. |
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| 18:05.15 | nvz | I just realized that making a business with a name like Vocelli when there are other Italian eatery in town with names that come first alphabetically like Monte Cello, Roma..etc they are likely to be last on everyones list just because when you look through the directory they are last |
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| 18:05.36 | Loevborg | dobby_, you'll be happier in #debian.de ( #debian.ch, if that exists ) |
| 18:05.46 | dobby_ | ups :) |
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| 18:05.53 | tarzeau | Loevborg: i think so, yes |
| 18:05.55 | dobby_ | sorry guys thought i was in linux.ch |
| 18:05.55 | dobby_ | hehe |
| 18:06.02 | tarzeau | Loevborg: no of course not |
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| 18:06.12 | tarzeau | Loevborg: what do you really want to do? |
| 18:06.19 | dobby_ | #LEAVE #debian |
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| 18:06.54 | Loevborg | tarzeau, the http server is blocking my ip address; I'd like to circumvent that with the minimum efford |
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| 18:07.31 | nvz | !info anonproxy |
| 18:08.07 | useruser | I sometimes hit print by mistake and then use lprm to try to remove the print job. unfortunately it usually prints anyway because there are some gv processes around which aren't terminated (even though the job is removed successfully from the print queue). can i get those jobs killed automatically when i remove a print job? |
| 18:08.07 | nvz | dpkg, info anon-proxy |
| 18:08.07 | dpkg | anon-proxy: (Proxy to surf the web anonymously), section web, is optional. Version: 00.02.39-7.1 (sid), Packaged size: 115 kB, Installed size: 324 kB |
| 18:08.07 | nvz | Loevborg: ^ |
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| 18:08.56 | nvz | Loevborg: it will be like perl harbor... so many japs, and they'll never see you comming |
| 18:09.45 | tarzeau | Loevborg: and why does it do so? what url is that? |
| 18:09.48 | Loevborg | nvz, interesting, though maybe a bit over the top (I already have a server that could easily act as a proxy) |
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| 18:10.40 | nvz | Loevborg: then forward the port though ssh and just goto the site with your server then |
| 18:10.42 | Loevborg | tarzeau, why would I tell you? |
| 18:10.57 | nvz | Loevborg: if you want a proxy to anonymize your surfing, thats it |
| 18:11.01 | tarzeau | Loevborg: how would i know? |
| 18:11.31 | Loevborg | tarzeau, the solution is clear, I just need an http proxy |
| 18:11.58 | nvz | I would like to find a local retail store that sells electronic gold or something.. would be temporarily easier than finding myself a new credit card |
| 18:12.44 | Loevborg | maybe hack one together using twisted.web |
| 18:13.10 | mlewis00 | Could someone who is running Sarge check to see if they can run the command 'querybts xfree86-driver-synaptics' please? When I run the command I get an error (see http://rafb.net/paste/results/fMAjsE43.html)...Thanks! |
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| 18:14.01 | nvz | I dont have a command called quertybts and never heard of it |
| 18:14.03 | Puiu | I am using debian with my toshiba laptop....I want to know how much battery life I have left....I am using xfce and the battery plugin for xfce that is on debian.org except the plugin doesn't work. |
| 18:14.11 | Puiu | Anyone have any ideas what I can do to get it to work? |
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| 18:14.35 | Loevborg | nvz, I've looked for quite some time, and the only thing I found was perl's HTTP::Proxy |
| 18:14.39 | mlewis00 | nvz: It's in the reportbug package... |
| 18:14.41 | sylvisj | Where would Mozilla Layout Libraries be found on here? |
| 18:15.12 | nvz | Puiu: in order for the plugin to work the kernel must provide the information its looking for. I.e. you need something like ACPI Battery drivers to provide status information |
| 18:15.18 | sylvisj | To be specific, I think this is asking for mozctl.dll |
| 18:16.58 | nvz | Loevborg: thats funny "apt-cache search http proxy daemon" returns a lot |
| 18:17.06 | nvz | apt-cache search http proxy daemon | cut -d " " -f 1 | tr "\n" " " |
| 18:17.12 | nvz | cyrus21-common cyrus21-murder honeyd iprelay libsoap-lite-perl proxychains transproxy simpleproxy |
| 18:17.34 | Puiu | nvz, I downloaded toshutils from debian.org but that didn't do anything. |
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| 18:18.17 | nvz | Loevborg: this is just a classic case of secret agent man comming in with a specific need that he cant declassify enough to ask properly for help on, and picking everyones brain time and time again just to reject their ideas |
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| 18:18.43 | Loevborg | nvz, um... have you even bothered to look at the results? |
| 18:18.47 | Loevborg | *chuckle* |
| 18:19.03 | nvz | Loevborg: yes I have at least 4 of them are simple TCP proxy daemons |
| 18:19.27 | Loevborg | nvz, which is, as I heard from tarzeau, not what I need |
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| 18:19.58 | nvz | Loevborg: I no longer care what you need unless you want to come right out and say it. Leave me out of it AFAIC I've helped you plenty |
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| 18:20.25 | Loevborg | nvz, I appreciate your commitment |
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| 18:20.36 | ke6isf | With the end of daylight saving time here in California, when my clock readjusted, I just noticed that all of my enqueued at jobs that were set before the change are now executing one hour before the expected time. Is this a bug or a feature? |
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| 18:21.12 | Puiu | /clear |
| 18:21.15 | Puiu | woops |
| 18:21.21 | jacob83 | hello |
| 18:21.42 | jacob83 | i got some questions about the autoloading mechanism in etch |
| 18:21.52 | ke6isf | !tell jacob83 -about ask |
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| 18:22.23 | jacob83 | may i ask it here? |
| 18:22.33 | ke6isf | !ask to ask |
| 18:22.42 | dpkg | Don't ask to ask. Don't ask if anybody can help you with x. Just ask! Omit any irrelevant details. If nobody answers then we don't know or are busy for a few minutes. Wait and don't bug us. If you must ask again wait until new people have joined the channel. |
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| 18:22.59 | shib | when i type "startx", there's an error: "no screens found", what should i do now? |
| 18:23.00 | bock | Hey there, how can I control my laptop's LCD backlight? |
| 18:23.00 | jacob83 | how can i block modules from being loaded |
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| 18:23.26 | tarzeau | jacob83: delete the module |
| 18:23.27 | ke6isf | !drxx shib |
| 18:23.28 | dpkg | shib: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 18:23.29 | laurens__ | anyone feel like playing risk (xfrisk) over the internet? |
| 18:23.37 | amorphix | whatever happened to the company known as D|I|G|I|T|A|L |
| 18:23.44 | cddesjar | what is xfrisk |
| 18:23.45 | cahoot | jacob83: try /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 18:23.47 | laurens__ | amorphix: they got bought |
| 18:23.49 | laurens__ | by compaq |
| 18:23.50 | amorphix | oh |
| 18:23.56 | laurens__ | it sort of went downhill. |
| 18:23.59 | ke6isf | amorphix: DEC got... what laurens__ said. |
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| 18:24.08 | laurens__ | then the people who designed the alpha had to work on the itanic |
| 18:24.16 | laurens__ | three of them committed suicide afiak |
| 18:24.18 | jacob83 | join /blacklist |
| 18:24.33 | amorphix | strange |
| 18:24.34 | unclemike | anyone use the sb live 24 bit sound card |
| 18:24.39 | ke6isf | !anyone |
| 18:24.39 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 18:24.52 | laurens__ | xfrisk is like risk |
| 18:24.54 | laurens__ | the board game |
| 18:25.01 | laurens__ | but over the internet |
| 18:25.14 | laurens__ | !sicco |
| 18:25.14 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 18:25.26 | ke6isf | !tell laurens__ -about enter |
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| 18:25.59 | cddesjar | does xfrisk take as long as risk |
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| 18:26.03 | laurens__ | yeah sorry, nasty habit of mine. I'll try to make longer sentences |
| 18:26.12 | laurens__ | cddesjar: depends on how you play. just like the real risk |
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| 18:26.22 | cddesjar | does anyone know how to edit the menu in xfce4? |
| 18:26.24 | ke6isf | Love to, but I'm remodeling my backup scripts. |
| 18:26.25 | cddesjar | i see |
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| 18:26.35 | cddesjar | laurens_: how are the graphics? |
| 18:26.38 | laurens__ | erratic players often leave entire continents undefended |
| 18:26.45 | laurens__ | cddesjar: gra-phicsces? |
| 18:26.47 | ke6isf | Oh, God, that sounded like I was trying to find a flimsy excuse to turn down a date. Sorry, laurens__ =^_^= |
| 18:27.05 | cddesjar | laurens_: does it have a GUI? |
| 18:27.05 | laurens__ | cddesjar: it consists of a world map. that's about it :P |
| 18:27.08 | laurens__ | yes |
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| 18:27.10 | cddesjar | ok |
| 18:27.14 | qpee | hi, is there a known groupware-server that i could use with evolution? i know of grouopwise and exchange, but they are commercial and much overkill for my usage. i just want to connect using evolution and outlook from my lan and administer contacts and calender-data |
| 18:27.14 | cddesjar | hmm... |
| 18:27.17 | cddesjar | sounds fun |
| 18:27.26 | laurens__ | cddesjar: apt-get install xfrisk |
| 18:27.34 | unclemike | anyone able to get the center and rear channels on the sb live 24 bit sound card to work |
| 18:27.36 | laurens__ | what have you got to loseexcept a few hours :-) |
| 18:27.46 | laurens__ | at most that is |
| 18:27.53 | beleys | Yop |
| 18:27.55 | cddesjar | that's true |
| 18:28.57 | cddesjar | ok i installed it |
| 18:29.00 | cddesjar | how do i play? |
| 18:29.03 | laurens__ | well |
| 18:29.06 | laurens__ | run this command: |
| 18:29.11 | laurens__ | xfrisk [host] |
| 18:29.15 | laurens__ | I will msg host :-) |
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| 18:29.26 | omry | is LVM transparent to mount? |
| 18:29.39 | cddesjar | ok |
| 18:30.00 | laurens__ | dont see you yet... |
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| 18:30.23 | cddesjar | CLIENT: The host `[host]' is unknown. |
| 18:30.27 | laurens__ | hehe |
| 18:30.28 | laurens__ | no |
| 18:30.40 | laurens__ | you were supposed to fill in [host] with the host you want to connect to |
| 18:30.42 | laurens__ | in this case, me. |
| 18:30.43 | jacob83 | isnt there a soft way to prevent modules from loading... |
| 18:30.48 | laurens__ | I /msg'ed it to you |
| 18:31.05 | Loevborg | jacob83, kernel modules? |
| 18:31.05 | cddesjar | how do i check my msg? |
| 18:31.10 | jacob83 | yes |
| 18:31.14 | laurens__ | ie: ping [host] for example can become: ping www.google.com |
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| 18:31.24 | laurens__ | my host is: bobsys.dyndns.dk |
| 18:31.29 | laurens__ | so xfrisk bobsys.dyndns.dk |
| 18:31.34 | laurens__ | :-) |
| 18:31.40 | lord_rob | Hi ! Debian kernels contain no non-free blobs. Does that mean debian linux-source-2.6.xx packages have less options than official (from kernel.org) source trees ? |
| 18:32.02 | Loevborg | jacob83, try hotplug's blacklist and/or modutils's blacklist |
| 18:32.24 | laurens__ | lord_rob: the packages may have some modules left out |
| 18:32.33 | laurens__ | up until recently, tg3 was one of them |
| 18:32.40 | cddesjar | now what? |
| 18:32.47 | laurens__ | well it works :-) |
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| 18:32.51 | laurens__ | ok |
| 18:32.51 | shib | i configured X manually, but when i type "startx" now, there's an error: "no fontpaths found", what do i have to do now? |
| 18:32.55 | laurens__ | you see the "add player" button |
| 18:33.00 | laurens__ | click that. enter your name |
| 18:33.02 | cddesjar | i did |
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| 18:33.05 | laurens__ | pick a color that isn't blue |
| 18:33.07 | laurens__ | ok, pink |
| 18:33.09 | laurens__ | lets go :-) |
| 18:33.22 | cddesjar | so start game? |
| 18:33.25 | laurens__ | press start game |
| 18:33.41 | laurens__ | you can enter text |
| 18:33.45 | laurens__ | oh you figured it out |
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| 18:34.32 | jacob83 | Loveborg: where do i find the modutils blacklist? |
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| 18:35.06 | Ringwraith` | chastize me and throw me up in chains |
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| 18:35.42 | Roey | hi |
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| 18:35.51 | shib | when i type "startx" i get the error: "No valid fontpaths could be found", can anyone help me? |
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| 18:36.01 | ke6isf | !tell shib -about repeat |
| 18:36.18 | piecesandbits | smartd fails on startup....bad?....how to fix? |
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| 18:36.32 | ke6isf | piecesandbits: What are the symptoms? |
| 18:36.32 | shib | yea sorry ke6isf |
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| 18:36.38 | nakeee | is there a special way to install mozilla-thunderbird extensions globally ? |
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| 18:36.58 | Loevborg | jacob83, hm maybe there's none |
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| 18:37.11 | piecesandbits | just that, the mesg says failed to start....just built this machine with a sata drive |
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| 18:37.17 | Ringwraith` | Roey, why is gentoo better? |
| 18:37.22 | ke6isf | piecesandbits: What do your logs say? |
| 18:37.28 | zion115_ | i neeed to install WineCVS but Checking CVS has been going on for 45 min ANy1 know whats the problem? |
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| 18:38.57 | laurens__ | anyone feel like playing risk over the internet? (xfrisk) |
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| 18:39.10 | Ringwraith` | laurens__, im offended |
| 18:39.11 | zion115_ | any1? |
| 18:39.16 | Roey | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=python-kde3;dist=unstable |
| 18:39.20 | laurens__ | Ringwraith`: why's that? |
| 18:39.30 | Roey | anyone know3 more about this? |
| 18:39.32 | johnsbil | Hi! I'm trying to install kubuntu to a Siemens scenic 600 PIII, but I'm not able to go into bios to change the boot opions becauce of the password in bios. Is there anyting to do? |
| 18:39.45 | laurens__ | johnsbil: yes. Don't bug #debian about it. |
| 18:39.45 | Elly | get the bios password :) |
| 18:39.54 | Roey | shib: shibby?? |
| 18:39.56 | laurens__ | kubuntu != debian != ubuntu != knoppix |
| 18:40.00 | johnsbil | From were? |
| 18:40.07 | shib | no Roey |
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| 18:40.11 | laurens__ | johnsbil: take the battery out |
| 18:40.14 | Ringwraith` | Roey, what is a random patch |
| 18:40.15 | laurens__ | the bios battery, of course |
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| 18:40.22 | bbrazil | johnsbil: wipe the bios password. a system that old might have a jumper for it |
| 18:40.24 | Roey | Ringwraith`: dunno? |
| 18:40.25 | laurens__ | after about five minutes the bios should have forgotten all about it. |
| 18:40.33 | Roey | Ringwraith`: hi |
| 18:40.40 | Ringwraith` | Roey, why does that happen here. |
| 18:40.43 | Roey | Ringwraith`: whatcha doing here? |
| 18:40.45 | laurens__ | assuming it doesn't have a jumper :-) |
| 18:40.46 | bbrazil | laurens__: five minutes? it takes no longer than a second |
| 18:40.54 | laurens__ | bbrazil: not always |
| 18:41.05 | Ringwraith` | Roey, applying random patches to .... stuff. |
| 18:41.06 | zion115_ | reset the bios |
| 18:41.06 | Roey | Ringwraith`: ah, so anyway as were discussing why gentoo is better than debian |
| 18:41.13 | zion115_ | only way you can reset the bios is to take it to a shop ask them to remove the battery leave battery outside for 48 hours and wallaa |
| 18:41.20 | Ringwraith` | yes, why |
| 18:41.21 | valdyn | johnsbil: there's a jumper on your mainboard, used to reset the cmos |
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| 18:41.27 | zion115_ | Lithuim battery inside |
| 18:41.35 | Roey | Ringwraith`: well for starters, you can *customize* it |
| 18:41.38 | Ringwraith` | Roey, i know its faster but why? |
| 18:41.40 | laurens__ | 48 hours is a bit too much. |
| 18:41.46 | Roey | Ringwraith`: and you can make it *faster* than *any* other distribution |
| 18:41.47 | Ringwraith` | Roey, does it NOT have gnome? |
| 18:41.54 | bbrazil | !troll Ringwraith` roey |
| 18:41.55 | laurens__ | If RAM doesn't go in 5 minutes, it won't go in several hours either :-) |
| 18:41.59 | Roey | oh |
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| 18:42.01 | Roey | oh come ON |
| 18:42.03 | Roey | bbrazil: oof. |
| 18:42.05 | sylvisj | Why is it that apt-cache search wine brings up wine - Windows Emulator, but wine = Wine Isn't aN Emulator? |
| 18:42.13 | Roey | Ringwraith`: look where our jokes got me |
| 18:42.17 | bbrazil | laurens__: main problem I've had is forgetting to remove the power cord |
| 18:42.29 | Ringwraith` | Roey, well i guess some people like power |
| 18:42.30 | Roey | bbrazil: really though I did come in here to ask about the python2.3-kd3 package. |
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| 18:42.45 | Ringwraith` | Roey, you know survival of the most agressiveness? |
| 18:42.46 | Roey | Ringwraith`: and absolute power corrupts absolutely! down with the system! |
| 18:42.55 | Roey | Ringwraith`: sure |
| 18:42.55 | Ringwraith` | yep |
| 18:43.03 | Ringwraith` | no one someone started a worse port |
| 18:43.11 | bbrazil | sylvisj: lots of opensource stuff is named like that. lame = lame ain't an mp3 encoder |
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| 18:43.42 | sylvisj | Well I know, but for the description of Wine it says Windows Emulator, but WINE stands for Wine Isn't aN Emulator |
| 18:43.54 | Loevborg | sylvisj, there are two interpretations of what wine stands for which are both equally "correct" |
| 18:44.03 | sylvisj | Mmm hmm.... |
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| 18:44.10 | Ringwraith` | sylvisj, it is an emulator because it DECLARES it |
| 18:44.20 | sylvisj | Ahh. |
| 18:44.23 | Ringwraith` | ke6isf, :) |
| 18:44.35 | halibut | I am looking to get a TerraTec 6fire DMX, will I be able to use it to its full potential with debian? (specifically midi capabilities + rosegarden) |
| 18:44.38 | bbrazil | sylvisj: its complicated. its a library emulation layer, not a full emulator |
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| 18:45.01 | Roey | ke6isf: :). |
| 18:45.03 | Roey | alright |
| 18:45.09 | Roey | honestly, anyone know what's up wih http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=327949 |
| 18:45.11 | Roey | ? |
| 18:45.18 | Roey | That bug's been there for 47 days now. |
| 18:45.22 | laurens__ | anyone feel like playing risk over the internet? (xfrisk) |
| 18:45.24 | Roey | python-kde is /not installable/. |
| 18:45.34 | amorphix | what is frisk |
| 18:45.47 | valdyn | Roey: the transition is taking long time, nothing special. |
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| 18:45.48 | ke6isf | amorphix: I guess it's network risk. |
| 18:45.54 | amorphix | oh |
| 18:46.07 | Roey | valdyn: If I e-mail the maintainer, will he respond? |
| 18:46.14 | piecesandbits | ke6isf: just looked thru dmesg, all seems good, just ignore the error? |
| 18:46.14 | Roey | valdyn: I have apps I made that I can't use |
| 18:46.25 | valdyn | Roey: how should i know if he will respond? its not me. |
| 18:46.35 | Roey | ok ok. |
| 18:46.38 | valdyn | Roey: thats your problem entirely |
| 18:46.39 | Ringwraith` | Roey, the maintainer will declare you a troll |
| 18:46.50 | ke6isf | piecesandbits: The only problem is that, if your drives start to fail, you won't get any notification from the system. Other than that, smartd is not critical to daily system operations. |
| 18:46.50 | valdyn | Roey: since this isnt debian/stable |
| 18:47.01 | c_k | hi all , can anyone give me a hand with a ftp server issue, when logging in I am getting 500 OOPS: cannot change directory |
| 18:47.03 | c_k | any ideas |
| 18:47.19 | bbrazil | c_k: check permissions |
| 18:47.27 | ke6isf | c_k: Either you don't have permission, or the directory isn't htere. Try permissions first. |
| 18:48.01 | c_k | what should they be set to? |
| 18:48.08 | bbrazil | c_k: a+x |
| 18:48.12 | c_k | at the moment the dir is as follows |
| 18:48.52 | OsRo | hi! |
| 18:48.55 | Roey | valdyn: #debian is only for Stable support? |
| 18:49.00 | c_k | drwxrwxr-x 11 chris chris 4096 2005-10-30 13:42 chris |
| 18:49.08 | Roey | Ringwraith`: I'd like to email him and ask him about the status of this package. |
| 18:49.10 | c_k | thats the folder permission at the moment |
| 18:49.14 | Roey | Ringwraith`: I will actually. |
| 18:49.16 | OsRo | what is name for module scanner usb? |
| 18:49.44 | Ringwraith` | Roey, why not ask him if he has a big package for you |
| 18:50.15 | c_k | ok thats seems to have sorted most of it |
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| 18:50.54 | c_k | still getting the following error though , when I log in from the command line it works fine , but when using a ftp client like cuteftp or internet explorer I am getting a list error |
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| 18:51.09 | cunak | hello people |
| 18:51.29 | phogg | Is there a way to make aptitude less verbose (more like apt-get) and not list e.g. kept back packages? |
| 18:51.46 | piecesandbits | Ke6isf: Thx! Makes me uncomfortable tho so I'll start googleing to see if I put this thing together wrong :( |
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| 18:52.35 | bbrazil | c_k: are you logging in as 'chris'? is there a chroot involved? |
| 18:52.44 | bbrazil | c_k: have you checked the logfiles? |
| 18:52.47 | Ringwraith` | cunak, I am not a person.... |
| 18:52.58 | c_k | bbrazil looking at the logs now |
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| 18:53.29 | Roey | Ringwraith`: sent |
| 18:53.35 | johnsbil | When entering the bios to cange the boot sequence. i says ATAPI CD-ROM. There is a HP-cd-rom installed in the computer, but it will not boot |
| 18:53.51 | Ringwraith` | Roey, excellent, maybe that package maintainer will send you his package |
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| 18:55.04 | fevel | abrotman:_| can you help me use the tv-out on debian?? |
| 18:55.15 | fevel | abrotman:_| IVE HEARD ITS PRETTY EASY |
| 18:55.24 | fevel | unnecessary caps |
| 18:55.35 | Ringwraith` | OH WOW |
| 18:55.38 | Ringwraith` | C000000L! |
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| 18:55.55 | pinchartl | hi |
| 18:56.12 | bbrazil | johnsbil: does the bios detect the cdrom? |
| 18:56.20 | Ringwraith` | hello pinchartl |
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| 18:56.53 | johnsbil | bbrazil: I dont know. How can I fint out? |
| 18:57.51 | bbrazil | johnsbil: does it show up when you boot up? |
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| 19:00.20 | johnsbil | bbrazil: Its trying to. First booting the diskett drive. Then stopping to check date and time. Then F1 ... and it says: Operating System not found |
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| 19:00.25 | pinchartl | I'm having a problem getting my touchpad working in XFree86 4.3.0.1. It's a synaptic touchpad, for which I installed the xfree86-driver-synaptics package. I modified XF86Config-4 according to various howtos, and the touchpad doesn't work. When I echo -n "psmouse" > /sys/devices/platform/i8042/serio0/drvctl, the touchpad works for a few seconds, then stops working again. Could anyone help me ? |
| 19:00.30 | TjNix | what ftp server would you recomend me guys? |
| 19:00.51 | c_k | bbrazil, the logs say that I have logged in |
| 19:01.23 | Ringwraith` | TjNix, proftpd |
| 19:02.31 | pinchartl | kernel 2.6.12 vanilla, wasn't better with 2.6.8 from debian. The touchpad works in Mandrake |
| 19:02.50 | Ringwraith` | mmmm vanilla |
| 19:02.52 | fbi | pinchartl: you shouldn't edit XF86Config-4. now you need to fix it. |
| 19:02.56 | shib | when i type "startx", there's an error: "No valid fontpath could be found", can anyone help me? |
| 19:03.09 | fbi | pinchartl: /msg dpkg xmd5 ; use /dev/psaux |
| 19:03.25 | bbrazil | johnsbil: go into the basic config part of your bios, make sure its all set to auto for hard drives |
| 19:03.32 | TjNix | how can i set up local user on proftp |
| 19:04.04 | pinchartl | fbi: I'm using /dev/psaux |
| 19:04.50 | bolrod | shib: write the fontpaths in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 19:04.55 | fbi | pinchartl: you still aren't supposed to edit that file unless you know what you are doing, any changes you make are not actually being saved. |
| 19:05.00 | shib | ok bolrod i'll try |
| 19:05.01 | shib | brb |
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| 19:06.12 | Roey | shib: are you shibby from Israel? |
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| 19:06.30 | pinchartl | fbi: I know what I'm doing, at least related to changing XF86Config. my problem here is that the touchpad only works if I echo -n "psmouse" > /sys/devices/platform/i8042/serio0/drvctl and then stops working after a few seconds. |
| 19:06.34 | bolrod | shib: I have something like.. |
| 19:06.35 | bolrod | Section "Files" FontPath "/usr/share/X11/fonts/misc" FontPath "/usr/share/X11/fonts/cyrillic" |
| 19:06.39 | bolrod | EndSection |
| 19:06.41 | pinchartl | fbi: it's not a matter of broken XF86Config-4 |
| 19:06.43 | bolrod | with alot more in between |
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| 19:07.05 | fbi | pinchartl: fine. fix it yourself if you don't want to listen. |
| 19:07.10 | Stormlord | hi |
| 19:07.14 | TecnoVM64 | Hello people, I have a question, anybody know how can I make my gameport work with a SiS 7012 soundcard? |
| 19:07.18 | Stormlord | any helpchannel on the server? |
| 19:07.23 | pinchartl | anyone else could help ? |
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| 19:07.56 | fbi | Stormlord: #freenode |
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| 19:09.10 | halibut | debian is to apt, as mandriva is to ? |
| 19:09.13 | sylvisj | Man, this patching is going slower than on windows, but very smooth. |
| 19:09.28 | ke6isf | halibut: ask in #mandriva |
| 19:09.33 | phogg | halibut: pain |
| 19:09.40 | jbroome | bullet in the head |
| 19:09.44 | Gathond | halibut: reinstalls? |
| 19:09.48 | halibut | lol |
| 19:09.49 | ke6isf | unanesthetized root canal? |
| 19:09.52 | TecnoVM64 | lol |
| 19:09.59 | Stormlord | uhm... wasnt lookin for network help^^ need help in partitioning |
| 19:10.14 | ke6isf | !tell Stormlord -about ask |
| 19:10.25 | phogg | ke6isf: More like a circumcision with a spoon |
| 19:10.35 | fbi | Stormlord: then don't ask if there's a help channel on the server |
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| 19:10.47 | jbroome | Stormlord: sorry, my psychic abilities must be off today |
| 19:11.01 | Stormlord | just thought it has some special help chan here^^ |
| 19:11.27 | ke6isf | Stormlord: Well, you need help partitioning. We need more data than that in order to answer a question. What do you want? What operating system? |
| 19:11.29 | Stormlord | well, okay, i try to make an ext3 system onto my partition, but dont find any ext3 entry in the list of fdisk |
| 19:11.48 | ke6isf | Stormlord: You don't do ext3 from fdisk, you do it from mkfs. |
| 19:11.49 | fbi | Stormlord: create the partition; mkfs.ext3 |
| 19:12.03 | Stormlord | and the partition name? |
| 19:12.06 | Gathond | Stormlord: fdisk only makes partitions, just use Linux as the partition type, then format it using mkfs.ext3 |
| 19:12.16 | Stormlord | okay, ill try |
| 19:12.17 | Stormlord | thx |
| 19:12.24 | ke6isf | Stormlord: Partition name depends on the operating system. If it's Linux, use 'Linux', adjust accordingly. |
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| 19:12.30 | unix | e |
| 19:12.32 | unix | sd |
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| 19:14.19 | marko | hello, any body has websites with google pr>= pr7 ? |
| 19:14.28 | Ummu | where should I extract mplayer codecs to? All the normal default locations don't exist... |
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| 19:14.44 | Ummu | whoops, sorry |
| 19:14.48 | Ummu | I should ask this in #ubuntu |
| 19:14.57 | JosephSpiros | Hmm, I'd like to give a user on an etch system ability to add/remove packages |
| 19:15.00 | Stormlord | damn, think ive got to reboot^^ thx for help :) |
| 19:15.02 | JosephSpiros | but otherwise not give them root |
| 19:15.03 | johnsbil | bbrazil: It seems like the bios can fint ATAPI CD-rom: Nec CD-ROMDRIVE 282 |
| 19:15.07 | unix | hola |
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| 19:15.23 | JosephSpiros | and I'm wondering what recommendations people have for how to accomplish that. add apt-get to sudoers? |
| 19:15.38 | Gigs | Getting CUPS set up in sarge is giving me trouble. I turned debug on and in the error.log it says E [30/Oct/2005:12:54:58 -0500] Unable to convert file 0 to printable format for job 9! I [30/Oct/2005:12:54:58 -0500] Hint: Do you have ESP Ghostscript installed? ... So I tried downgrading to ESP Ghostscript from GPL gs, still same error message. |
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| 19:16.27 | thingfish | Gigs: you have gs-esp installed? |
| 19:16.32 | Gigs | thingfish: yes |
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| 19:20.58 | resiak | JosephSpiros: Yes. That is kinda the whole point of sudo. |
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| 19:21.13 | kelsey_23 | hello |
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| 19:21.31 | JosephSpiros | resiak: sure, but apt-get might spawn editors and other evil things so I wasn't sure if someone had done the same thing, and if so, perhaps they'd send me their sudoers or something so I could see how they did it :) |
| 19:21.45 | resiak | JosephSpiros: man 5 sudoers |
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| 19:22.06 | kelsey_23 | umm do you guys know what application I could use to mount a Mac OS CDROM? |
| 19:22.15 | JosephSpiros | resiak: uh, yes, I did that |
| 19:22.37 | JosephSpiros | resiak: I know how to edit sudoers, It's apt-get and dpkg that I'm unsure of, thus why I'm in #debian |
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| 19:22.57 | shib | bolrod, i fixed the problem with the fontpath, thx, but now i have another error: "Failed to initialize core device", can you help me? |
| 19:23.12 | bolrod | heh |
| 19:23.17 | kelsey_23 | anyone?!?!?!? |
| 19:23.25 | bolrod | what core device |
| 19:23.27 | bolrod | keyboard? |
| 19:23.28 | bolrod | mouse? |
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| 19:23.46 | bolrod | how did you install xorg |
| 19:23.49 | bolrod | ^.0 |
| 19:24.02 | kelsey_23 | xorg should come by default |
| 19:24.03 | shib | apt-get install xserver-xfree86 .. |
| 19:24.09 | bolrod | oeh |
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| 19:24.12 | bolrod | why xfree86? |
| 19:24.18 | resiak | JosephSpiros: Fair enough. Yes, dpkg can spawn editors, you're right. I don't know any way to avoid that, sorry. |
| 19:24.21 | shib | and then i configured it manually |
| 19:24.30 | resiak | kelsey_23: mount |
| 19:24.32 | bolrod | apparently... you configured wrong |
| 19:24.32 | bolrod | :) |
| 19:24.34 | shib | uh, someone told me to take that |
| 19:24.42 | laurens__ | anyone feel like playing xfrisk over the internet? |
| 19:24.42 | bolrod | apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 19:24.47 | shib | k |
| 19:24.48 | bolrod | should work |
| 19:24.50 | kelsey_23 | @resiak mount and I would like to make an ISO of it |
| 19:24.51 | resiak | !install x |
| 19:24.51 | dpkg | methinks install xf4 is apt-get install read-edid mdetect discover; apt-get install x-window-system-core (plus whatever window manager you like, etc.), or ask me about "set up x", or "configure xf4" |
| 19:24.57 | resiak | kelsey_23: dd |
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| 19:25.34 | deonya | apt-get is broken it wont get kde or gnome |
| 19:25.44 | kelsey_23 | @resiak so would I type dd /dev/dvdrom0 or whaterver |
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| 19:25.55 | deonya | it keeps saying something about failed dependancies but when I try to get them it gives more failed deps |
| 19:26.05 | ruser | can someone help me? i wanted to insatll package, but it had dependencies, so i never really instaleld the package, cause i didn't want to deal with dependencies (i was tying to install it via dpkg -i) . Now, i want to install some other package via apt-get but it complains that the previous one wasn't installed. any tips on how to get rid of this behaviour? |
| 19:26.12 | nvz | kelsey_23: dont do that please |
| 19:26.15 | laurens__ | deonya: what distribution? |
| 19:26.22 | deonya | knoppix on HD |
| 19:26.26 | kelsey_23 | @nvz what do you mean? |
| 19:26.26 | resiak | kelsey_23: You would read dd's manpage |
| 19:26.27 | deonya | Debian Testing |
| 19:26.31 | laurens__ | deonya: knoppix != debian |
| 19:26.35 | resiak | !knoppix |
| 19:26.36 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandriva is redhat. |
| 19:26.37 | laurens__ | which one is it |
| 19:26.43 | kelsey_23 | @resiak ok thank you |
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| 19:26.49 | nvz | kelsey_23: do not put chars like ~ ! @ ..etc in the beginning of your statements |
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| 19:27.04 | resiak | @moo |
| 19:27.04 | ravenbird | mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/moo/ |
| 19:27.20 | nvz | kelsey_23: you are free to use the chars along that line anywhere but at the very beginning of your statement |
| 19:27.24 | kelsey_23 | nvz: sorry, I was doing that to get the person's attention |
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| 19:27.41 | resiak | kelsey_23: Or you could just type my nick since that's what i hilight on |
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| 19:28.02 | kelsey_23 | resiak: the works too, but I am used to the @ thing ;-P |
| 19:28.11 | amorphix | whats the fastest speed a P1 goes up to? |
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| 19:28.16 | laurens__ | resiak: Watch me force you to buy a new hilite cartridge. |
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| 19:28.29 | bolrod | !apt-get moo |
| 19:28.29 | dpkg | ...."Have you mooed today?"... |
| 19:28.32 | bolrod | :> |
| 19:28.33 | laurens__ | What? You kids don't use printed terminals? What the hell DO you use? |
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| 19:28.52 | sylvisj | How do I set my default DHCP to eth1 instead of eth0? |
| 19:28.53 | amorphix | is it possible to get a Pentium I cpu above 500Mhz? |
| 19:28.59 | nvz | kelsey_23: irssi 0.8.9 in sarge it highlights what you just said to me but not the way yyou did it the first time you addressed me |
| 19:29.02 | tarzeau | amorphix: no |
| 19:29.05 | laurens__ | amorphix: hardly. |
| 19:29.06 | amorphix | oh |
| 19:29.14 | tarzeau | amorphix: i've not seen one above 250mhz |
| 19:29.21 | laurens__ | amorphix: I believe someone did it with ln2 |
| 19:29.23 | nvz | would require a specific regex to highlight that goofy shit |
| 19:29.35 | laurens__ | they blew up the power lines on the motherboard pcb |
| 19:29.39 | nvz | and ravenbird listens to whatever you say when you do that :( |
| 19:29.39 | amorphix | hehe |
| 19:29.46 | laurens__ | apparently that thing starts to draw insane currents for some reason |
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| 19:31.02 | johnsbil | bbrazil: I changet to a older cd-rom station whitout burner. and it's working quite well. |
| 19:31.17 | shib | bolrod can you give me an ftp for xserver-xorg? in europe if possible |
| 19:31.41 | bolrod | erh |
| 19:31.41 | bolrod | hmm |
| 19:32.16 | morale | df |
| 19:32.35 | bolrod | ftp.nl.debian.org |
| 19:32.48 | bolrod | download.xs4all.nl |
| 19:32.52 | bolrod | ftp.debian.nl |
| 19:32.57 | ruser | btw, sarge is consired to be testing/stable? |
| 19:32.59 | bolrod | ftp.eu.uu.net |
| 19:33.08 | bolrod | its stable right? |
| 19:33.13 | bolrod | since.. few months |
| 19:33.16 | bolrod | or... |
| 19:33.21 | bolrod | is sarge also testing? |
| 19:33.22 | adii | sarge = stable |
| 19:33.26 | shib | k thx |
| 19:33.40 | ruser | well, i'm a newbie, and i'm kinda lost between the naming conventions... |
| 19:33.43 | bolrod | sid = testing + unstable now? |
| 19:33.48 | nvz | I dont know where it is proper netiquette to put @ in front of a line to get peoples attention but when people are doing this they could use any keywords like 'is' which _is_ very common in speech and suddenly they are confusing the bot :P |
| 19:33.53 | ke6isf | !sid |
| 19:33.53 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
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| 19:34.26 | bolrod | hehe |
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| 19:34.30 | bolrod | it sure can be a mess |
| 19:34.32 | bolrod | !!!!!! |
| 19:34.32 | dpkg | well, !!!!! is "And all those exclamation marks, you notice? Five? A sure sign of someone who wears his underpants on his head." -- Terry Pratchett, Maskerade |
| 19:34.38 | bolrod | thats why I removed debian ;) |
| 19:34.54 | ke6isf | bolrod: well, why are you here then? |
| 19:35.02 | bolrod | using ubuntu |
| 19:35.04 | nvz | you removed debian because you wear you underpants on your head? |
| 19:35.06 | laurens__ | ?????? |
| 19:35.07 | bolrod | so... its quite the same as debian |
| 19:35.08 | bolrod | :) |
| 19:35.08 | Dasnipa` | !! |
| 19:35.09 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
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| 19:35.14 | ke6isf | bolrod: Well, #ubuntu is over there -> |
| 19:35.14 | laurens__ | hehe :-) |
| 19:35.18 | bolrod | yet |
| 19:35.21 | bolrod | yes I know |
| 19:35.21 | ruser | bolrod are you going to conference? |
| 19:35.23 | laurens__ | dpkg, botsnack |
| 19:35.26 | ke6isf | bolrod: And ubuntu is not Debian. Even Shuttleworth says so. |
| 19:35.29 | Dasnipa` | !!! |
| 19:35.29 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 19:35.33 | bolrod | I know its not debian |
| 19:35.33 | Dasnipa` | bleh |
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| 19:35.37 | bolrod | its a ripoff of debian ;p |
| 19:35.42 | laurens__ | dpkg: fuck me harder |
| 19:35.44 | bolrod | but I have yet to find any differences |
| 19:35.45 | bolrod | :) |
| 19:35.55 | laurens__ | dpkg: fuck me |
| 19:35.58 | laurens__ | better :-) |
| 19:36.01 | bolrod | besides the themes of ubuntu |
| 19:36.08 | ke6isf | !ubuntu |
| 19:36.08 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
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| 19:36.29 | resiak | Is there any chance that you could all stop being such complete tards? |
| 19:36.35 | phogg | !abuse |
| 19:36.35 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
| 19:36.36 | nvz | bolrod: you say you see no difference between ubuntu and debian besides the artwork? |
| 19:36.42 | bolrod | not yet |
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| 19:36.46 | bolrod | I have it just like..2 days! |
| 19:36.48 | ruser | how close etch and sarge are? |
| 19:36.53 | laurens__ | bolrod: you're blind. Or new. |
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| 19:37.11 | bolrod | the installer was a bit different |
| 19:37.18 | laurens__ | ruser: if you want an absolutely stable desktop for your mother or something, use sarge |
| 19:37.30 | Gigs | How can I do something like apt-cache search except for a particular file within the packages? |
| 19:37.31 | ruser | laurens__ and if i want newsish stuff, but still usable? :) |
| 19:37.35 | laurens__ | if you want a desktop with slightly more chrome, go etch |
| 19:37.40 | laurens__ | etc :-) |
| 19:37.44 | laurens__ | etch :-) |
| 19:37.44 | Gnea | *YAWN* |
| 19:37.44 | nvz | bolrod: you should look harder. I would have immediatly realized that "Debian" was not "Ubuntu" I mean unless any group of six letters looks the same to you. |
| 19:37.45 | laurens__ | * |
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| 19:37.49 | ruser | mkay, well, curryntly my laptop is sarge |
| 19:37.55 | bolrod | yes |
| 19:37.55 | bolrod | ok |
| 19:37.56 | laurens__ | ruser: recently new. |
| 19:37.57 | ruser | how would i make transition to etch? |
| 19:37.59 | bolrod | and any other differences |
| 19:38.00 | bolrod | :) |
| 19:38.08 | phogg | bolrod: to whom are you speaking? |
| 19:38.11 | bolrod | dont know |
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| 19:38.15 | bolrod | I'm a bot |
| 19:38.16 | laurens__ | ruser: change every instance of "sarge" or "stable" to "testing" |
| 19:38.17 | bolrod | -.- |
| 19:38.19 | laurens__ | in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:38.23 | Gnea | !sarge->etch |
| 19:38.23 | nvz | bolrod: I've never used ubuntu but I am sure that I could pick out other differences just guessing |
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| 19:38.42 | ke6isf | bolrod: I've attempted to use Ubuntu in a server environment. Rotsa ruck. |
| 19:38.45 | bolrod | nvz: ok ok |
| 19:38.46 | Gnea | hrm |
| 19:38.48 | laurens__ | nvz: I have. there are numerous differences. |
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| 19:38.54 | Gnea | !tell ruser about sarge->etch |
| 19:38.57 | laurens__ | weh? ubuntu as a server?? |
| 19:39.00 | bolrod | ke6isf: not using it as a server |
| 19:39.06 | laurens__ | !tell me about sarge->etch |
| 19:39.09 | ke6isf | laurens__: Yeah, exactly. |
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| 19:39.21 | phogg | laurens__: it's been done. I use MEPIS as a server and Debian as a workstation. |
| 19:39.22 | nvz | bolrod: it probably uses non-debian sources which are then not maintained by debian and under policy. probably contains a modified kernel and installer. |
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| 19:39.37 | bolrod | probably |
| 19:39.43 | bolrod | anyway |
| 19:39.48 | bolrod | my firefox doesn't crash every hour now |
| 19:39.54 | ruser | Gnea, laurens__, thanks |
| 19:39.56 | nvz | bolrod: #ubuntu |
| 19:39.57 | laurens__ | do you people also use screwdrivers for putting nails in the wall and hammers for screwing in your new motherboard? |
| 19:40.07 | bolrod | nvz: /whois bolrod |
| 19:40.15 | phogg | !tell bolrod about enter |
| 19:40.48 | bolrod | k |
| 19:40.49 | bolrod | :p |
| 19:40.54 | nvz | bolrod: that tells me nothing |
| 19:41.02 | bolrod | O_O |
| 19:41.05 | bolrod | tells me enough |
| 19:41.13 | mlewis00 | Could someone who is running Sarge check to see if their 'querybts' command is working please? Thanks... |
| 19:41.16 | eagleFX | can someone tell me what the command is for changing the video card in latest Debian? i cant get it higher than 800x600!! |
| 19:41.29 | abrotman | !drxx eagleFX |
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| 19:41.30 | dpkg | eagleFX: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 19:41.30 | resiak | !drxx eagleFX |
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| 19:41.37 | Gnea | laurens__: what, you had to wait for a screw to fly into your eye before you realized that those weren't the proper methods? |
| 19:41.40 | resiak | DAMN YOU |
| 19:41.49 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 19:41.50 | dpkg | hello, abrotman |
| 19:41.50 | ruser | mlewis00 what the hell is querybts? |
| 19:41.53 | ke6isf | resiak: Oh, don't feel bad. Here, have a beer. |
| 19:41.55 | abrotman | !drxx eagleFX |
| 19:41.55 | ke6isf | !beer resiak |
| 19:41.56 | dpkg | eagleFX: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 19:42.11 | eagleFX | okay thanks alot |
| 19:42.12 | resiak | \o/ |
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| 19:42.22 | mlewis00 | ruser: It is a command to query the debian bug tracking system... |
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| 19:42.44 | ke6isf | mlewis00: Looks like it functions as normal on my machine. |
| 19:42.46 | sylvisj | I'VE DONE THE IMPROBABLE! I'VE GOTTEN WINMX WORKING |
| 19:43.00 | resiak | ... |
| 19:43.03 | ke6isf | sylvisj: Dude, chill! |
| 19:43.21 | phogg | sylvisj: what did you want,a cookie? |
| 19:43.21 | ruser | mlewis00 starnge, i don't have it installed |
| 19:43.38 | ke6isf | !installit |
| 19:43.38 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 19:44.04 | ruser | ke6isf right, can't find it in packages either |
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| 19:44.17 | mlewis00 | ke6isf: Thanks...when I run, for instance, 'querybts nano' on my system I get an error message similar to http://rafb.net/paste/results/fMAjsE43.html... |
| 19:44.24 | ruser | user@127:~$ sudo apt-cache search querybt |
| 19:44.24 | ruser | user@127:~$ |
| 19:44.33 | phogg | ruser: it's in reportbug |
| 19:44.50 | fbi | what the hell is winmx |
| 19:44.53 | mlewis00 | ke6isf: I've purged and reinstalled the package and it still does the same thing :( |
| 19:45.10 | ke6isf | fbi: Some p2p prog like napster. |
| 19:45.19 | mijndert | fbi; p2p app for windows :/ |
| 19:45.19 | ke6isf | mlewis00: No idea. |
| 19:45.27 | fbi | and getting that working is some kind of big deal? |
| 19:45.37 | ke6isf | fbi: I guess it is, in wine. |
| 19:45.40 | mlewis00 | ke6isf: Me either...thanks anyway... |
| 19:45.42 | sylvisj | Crap. |
| 19:45.46 | resiak | it's not like it ran in Wine like three years ago. |
| 19:45.56 | fbi | haha |
| 19:45.59 | nvz | ke6isf: what the p2p program for windows? |
| 19:46.00 | sylvisj | For some reason, things in WINE are having a hard time acessing internet. |
| 19:46.09 | nvz | I think I seen some idiot using that before it sucked |
| 19:46.24 | nvz | whats with this p2p crap anyhow |
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| 19:46.59 | phogg | winmx is a crappy multi-protocol (gnutella and others) p2p client for windows. |
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| 19:47.14 | phogg | sylvisj: you'd be better of with giFT |
| 19:47.16 | eagleFX | dpkg: Allright i got into the real program again but i wonder how i then get the required resolution!! changed |
| 19:47.22 | sylvisj | WinMX is <3. |
| 19:47.31 | sylvisj | I'll give giFT a try. |
| 19:47.38 | sylvisj | Can I get it through apt? |
| 19:47.44 | phogg | sylvisj: it sucks like a black hole and has nothing that you can't get natively if you try |
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| 19:47.51 | phogg | sylvisj: of course |
| 19:48.02 | resiak | eagleFX: dpkg is a bot |
| 19:48.08 | eagleFX | lol |
| 19:48.11 | eagleFX | Okay |
| 19:48.12 | eagleFX | haha |
| 19:48.13 | sylvisj | Getting it. |
| 19:48.25 | ke6isf | !tell eagleFX -about enter |
| 19:48.46 | sylvisj | !enter |
| 19:48.47 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
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| 19:49.38 | Gigs | is there an actual program named "rastertohp" I need to get for CUPS? |
| 19:49.43 | Kelsey23 | how would I write the contents of a CD I used dd to copy to a new CD? |
| 19:49.48 | Gigs | if so, does anyone know what package it would be in? |
| 19:50.00 | mlewis00 | The only way that I can get my touchpad working is to set TapButton1=0, TapButton2=1, and TapButton3=0 in XF86Config-4...has anyone else ever seen this problem (Sarge...xfree86-driver-synaptics)? |
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| 19:50.42 | paulswm | :beer resiak |
| 19:50.47 | paulswm | !beer resiak |
| 19:50.52 | abrotman | kelan: you can't |
| 19:50.56 | sylvisj | phogg, how do I set where the files I download on giFT are saved to? |
| 19:50.56 | abrotman | err Kelsey23 |
| 19:51.34 | phogg | sylvisj: edit your gift config file. Or, answer the questions the first time you run giftd |
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| 19:52.02 | sylvisj | I just ran it first time, no q's asked. |
| 19:52.06 | sniperjo | Hi all |
| 19:52.12 | useruser | Gigs: packages.debian.org has the answer: cupsys |
| 19:52.23 | sylvisj | How do I run it in a console? |
| 19:52.39 | sniperjo | What is the best/ most secure VPN package? |
| 19:52.50 | thingfish | I can never find these beers in liquor stores. Although I have seen some Spatens. |
| 19:52.50 | phogg | sylvisj: open up a terminal emulator,e.g. xterm, gnome-terminal, konsole |
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| 19:52.59 | sylvisj | I know phogg. |
| 19:53.01 | sylvisj | I use Konsole |
| 19:53.22 | Gigs | useruser: thanks, I found it now |
| 19:53.44 | Gigs | I still can't print though :( I'm just trying to trace the cups toolchain all the way through |
| 19:53.45 | havocologe | how can i disable to hear everything my mic captures ? |
| 19:53.50 | phogg | sylvisj: then type giftd and hit enter. You should be prompted. |
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| 19:53.56 | sylvisj | Thx. |
| 19:54.01 | sniperjo | What is the best/ most secure VPN package? |
| 19:54.10 | phogg | sylvisj: if you aren't then rm -rf ls ~/.giFT/ and try again |
| 19:54.23 | sylvisj | I'm root. |
| 19:54.25 | sylvisj | gift-setup did it. |
| 19:54.27 | ruser | mlewis00 works fine here |
| 19:54.45 | Lonnie | Will the ia64 version run OK on an AMD 64 based system? |
| 19:54.50 | sylvisj | No. |
| 19:54.53 | thingfish | no |
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| 19:54.58 | sylvisj | Get AMD64 for AMD64 systems. |
| 19:55.03 | phogg | sylvisj: do not run giftd or gift-setup as root. |
| 19:55.04 | sylvisj | IA64 is the [t]Itanic. |
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| 19:55.09 | sylvisj | Rgr phogg. |
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| 19:55.24 | Lonnie | K |
| 19:55.27 | ruser | mlewis00 http://rafb.net/paste/results/JanGB129.html this is what i use for the touchpad |
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| 19:55.50 | mlewis00 | ruser: I'll take a look... |
| 19:56.23 | Lonnie | Is there a netinstall option available for AMD 64, been looking without much success. |
| 19:56.33 | sylvisj | Yes, it's testing though. |
| 19:56.41 | Lonnie | That's fine. |
| 19:56.53 | sylvisj | !amd64 |
| 19:56.53 | dpkg | from memory, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 19:57.05 | tung | hey guys |
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| 19:57.31 | stew | Lonnie: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/sarge-amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 19:57.36 | tung | ive got ms intellimouse explorer 3.0 mouse, anyone get the 4th and 5th button working? |
| 19:57.36 | mlewis00 | ruser: Then yours is working with the defaults (i.e. TapButton1=1, TapButton2=2, TapButton3=3)...mine will not work with those settings :( |
| 19:57.41 | tung | i want it to be copy and paste.. |
| 19:57.45 | Kerr | 'lo .. i just bought a new cd/dvd burner (pioneer dvr-110d) and i'm looking to get it up and running. Amonh st other things xcdroast complains about wanting scisi emulation. Googling turned up some helpfull stuff, but also hinted at not needing scisi emulation. (2.6.* kernel) I'm horribly lost, and looking for shinier burner software. Any ideas? |
| 19:58.00 | vjuliao | Hi, everybody. I made an apt-get install package (debian unstable) and seemed to me that almost kde3.4.2 would be installed. some problem with bsh happened and now apt-get doesn't work |
| 19:58.06 | useruser | Kerr: k3b is shiny |
| 19:58.08 | vjuliao | Reading package lists... Error! |
| 19:58.08 | vjuliao | E: Read error - read (5 Input/output error) E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
| 19:58.16 | Lonnie | Thanks stew, I don't have a Reason for running AMD 64 other than I have the equipment. ;) |
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| 19:58.40 | sylvisj | The AMD64 one is really more for those who like to tinker. |
| 19:59.18 | Kerr | my last cd burner was back in windows, some shitty 12-speed thing, ancient. This writes more formats than i'd ever care to learn about, at about ten times the speed. it's pretty daunting ~.~ geh. |
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| 20:00.30 | sniperjo | What is the best/ most secure VPN package? |
| 20:00.45 | Lonnie | Don't mind tinkering, IF it will work. Tried Gentoo, Nothing worked as normal user, and to much of a fight to get anything working. |
| 20:00.52 | ruser | has anyone exprienced problems with DVD discs? i've got a DVD from a friend with some data, and only could see half of the files when mounted from linux, however it would show up and read fine from windows. |
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| 20:01.04 | linux_addict_ | Kerr, apt-get install k3b dvdrtools |
| 20:01.14 | stew | vjuliao: /msg dpkg status-recovery |
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| 20:01.48 | linux_addict_ | ruser, the only problema i faced was libdts... to hear sounds |
| 20:02.07 | Lonnie | Later, and thanks. |
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| 20:02.16 | ruser | linux_addict_ like if you wehre access a disc, and it would produce random sounds into the sound card? |
| 20:02.29 | sniperjo | has anyone here ever tried to set up a VPN? |
| 20:02.41 | vjuliao | i'm gone to do that, stew |
| 20:02.48 | linux_addict_ | ruser, yes exactly... a sound like "shhhhhhhhhhhh" all over the time |
| 20:03.00 | nashirak | I have hit a wall. I am trying to do an apt-get dist-upgrade and keep running into the following problem. Apt is complaining that it needs to remove "e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop". Is it safe to remove this? APT gives me an option of forcing to break this, but I believe this is a very crutial package. Any thought as to what I can do? |
| 20:03.18 | stew | !e2fsprogs loop |
| 20:03.18 | dpkg | it has been said that e2fsprogs loop is you are running packages which are older than the current debian stable and are trying to upgrade to debian testing which isn't supported, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace "testing" or "etch" or "unstable" with "stable" then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade; then if you still want testing, edit sources.list again, and change stable to testing and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:03.19 | ruser | linux_addict_ did you ever fix it? cause i'm having the same problem, not that it bothers me, but would be nice ot get it fixed :) |
| 20:03.24 | linux_addict_ | after some googling, I've installed libdts "apt-cache search libdts", and then compiled mplayer with --enable-libdts option |
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| 20:03.46 | linux_addict_ | ruser, all my dvds works fine now |
| 20:04.12 | ruser | hrmm.. recompiling mplayer yet again.... :/ |
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| 20:04.21 | w3rdn4 | Is NASA a government organization? |
| 20:04.21 | ruser | linux_addict_ thanks |
| 20:04.56 | linux_addict_ | ruser, btw.. before installing libdts... i heard only "shh", ... it seems u has another problem |
| 20:05.00 | Kerr | i'm getting pages and pages of: modprobe: WARNING: /etc/modprobe.d/libsane line 2: ignoring bad line starting with 'blacklist' |
| 20:05.07 | Kerr | at bootup. |
| 20:05.12 | Kerr | wth is it :-/ ? |
| 20:05.31 | ke6isf | That's odd, my resolver isn't working. |
| 20:05.31 | ke6isf | Or rather, it's not working as expected. |
| 20:05.49 | asuffield | w3rdn4: why on earth are you asking us? |
| 20:05.53 | ruser | linux_addict_ well, i have few problems among which the `shhh` one :) |
| 20:05.55 | Kerr | i can't remember the last time i paid attention to the system booting up, so i dunno if it's new/ |
| 20:06.20 | nashirak | stew: Thank you I am trying that right now |
| 20:06.44 | w3rdn4 | I want to know |
| 20:06.47 | linux_addict_ | ruser, i think u'll recompile mplayer a lot of times.... the first time i installed linux... i compiled mplayer 5 times to solve all my problems :d |
| 20:06.48 | w3rdn4 | knowledge |
| 20:07.07 | asuffield | w3rdn4: then go ask somewhere remotely relevant to the question |
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| 20:07.14 | asuffield | this isn't it |
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| 20:07.21 | vjuliao | stew, you alread now that i'm new at debian. it seems to me that there's some file, package list missing: Reading package lists... Error! |
| 20:07.21 | vjuliao | Reading package lists... Error! |
| 20:07.21 | vjuliao | E: Read error - read (5 Input/output error) |
| 20:07.21 | vjuliao | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
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| 20:07.25 | w3rdn4 | are you from the uS?? asuffield ? |
| 20:07.44 | fbi | ruser: what are you trying to do, that marillat's mplayer package can not? |
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| 20:08.13 | ruser | linux_addict_ yeah, that is why i mentioned recompiling mplayer yet again :) |
| 20:08.19 | linux_addict_ | ruser, it was the first time i compile a program, and what the hell, it was the hardest program i compiled till now... toomany depedencies (libgtk1.2, libgtk-dev, libpng, linpng-dev, a-hell-dev, ...) :d |
| 20:08.36 | tung | guys, maybe a silly question... |
| 20:08.38 | tung | how do you restart X? |
| 20:08.41 | vjuliao | stew, you alread now that i'm new at debian. it seems to me that there's some file, package list missing: Reading package lists... Error |
| 20:08.46 | ke6isf | tung: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace |
| 20:08.56 | linux_addict_ | tung, under gnu press "Ctrl-Alt-backspace" |
| 20:09.10 | vjuliao | what is that package list? |
| 20:09.19 | asuffield | that's the server kill button. the more normal way is to let the X session script exit |
| 20:09.20 | vjuliao | and where? |
| 20:09.27 | asuffield | that normally happens when the WM exits |
| 20:09.40 | ruser | fbi first of all my machine is very slow, so i need optimizations. second of all, i'm hearing random sounds through speakers when playing vidoes from dvd. 'shhhh' like sound. linux_addict_ had the same problem. and i know the sound is not recorded on the video |
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| 20:10.00 | asuffield | (if you wrote your own session script it could be anything, and you're expected to know) |
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| 20:10.29 | nashirak | ruser: What sound system are you using ALSA? |
| 20:10.35 | ruser | nashirak correct |
| 20:10.40 | arie_G | how do you download music with linux |
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| 20:11.11 | nashirak | ruser: Have you tried playing with the mixers... it might be as simple as overdriving the PCM |
| 20:11.12 | linux_addict_ | arie_G, what do u mean by music... iTunes ? |
| 20:11.20 | Kerr | crap ~.~ |
| 20:11.23 | Kerr | k3b: Depends: dbus-qt-1c2 (>= 0.23.4) but it is not going to be installed Depends: k3blibs (>= 0.12.5) but it is not going to be installed Depends: kdelibs4c2 (>= 4:3.4.2-1) but it is not going to be installed Depends: kdebase-bin but it is not going to be installed Depends: kcontrol but it is not going to be installed |
| 20:11.23 | arie_G | you know mp3 |
| 20:11.39 | linux_addict_ | kerr, apt-get update before installing |
| 20:11.43 | w3rdn4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.44 | ruser | nashirak what do you mean by overdriving? sorry i'm not a multimedea person :) |
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| 20:11.47 | phogg | arie_G: same way as with any operating system. |
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| 20:12.04 | arie_G | so does shareaza work on linux? |
| 20:12.05 | w3rdn4 | since no one knew :) |
| 20:12.10 | Kerr | linux_addict_: i'm trailing at the end of an apt-get update |
| 20:12.15 | phogg | arie_G: if you mean to ask "How can I illegally pirate MP3s under Linux?" then I'm afraid this is the wrong channel. |
| 20:12.16 | fbi | w3rdn4: why are you pasting shit that is totally irrelevant to Debian? |
| 20:12.32 | phogg | arie_G: no, but there are othger (better, native) gnutella clients |
| 20:12.34 | linux_addict_ | Kerr, then do it ... |
| 20:12.54 | nashirak | ruser: I just mean if your PCM (being one of the levels on your alsa mixer) is at or near 100% sometimes the sound can get kind crappy... |
| 20:13.17 | Kerr | http://ftp.us.debian.org unstable/main Sources (though it's pinned to go unused...) is struggling along at 4902b/s |
| 20:13.24 | gteppel | I have a cd that is giving my cyclic redundacy error on my windows box, is there an easy way in Debian to copy files from a cd, and ignore any errors that may occur... in other words I don't care if i can't get all the files of the cd... |
| 20:13.25 | lindi- | oh, arie_G left, i would have recommended mpg321 http://relay.slayradio.org:8000/ :) |
| 20:13.37 | gteppel | off the cd... |
| 20:14.09 | ruser | nashirak i'll have to check that. but i don't think this is a _proper_ solution :) |
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| 20:14.36 | nashirak | ruser: The only other thing it might be is a ALSA driver issue mabye with your soundcard |
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| 20:14.49 | linux_addict_ | guys, my recording volume is toooooo low... I can't talk with skype.. I've put the mic volume to max through gnome-mixer.. but it still too low... iam using OSS.. any suggestions ? |
| 20:15.07 | stew | vjuliao: /var/lig/dpkg/status, /msg dpkg status-recovery |
| 20:15.13 | stew | vjuliao: what version of debian? |
| 20:15.29 | ruser | linux_addict_ enable mic boost? |
| 20:15.41 | Kerr | linux_addict_: yo, i had that problem. nobody knew what to do. it drove me mad. i went through a dozen mics.. |
| 20:16.11 | Kerr | linux_addict_: then i accdientaly hit tab in alsamixer and got to recording volume control, and turned the mic recording volume up ~.~ months later. |
| 20:16.18 | Kerr | linux_addict_: see if it works for you :) |
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| 20:16.56 | linux_addict_ | ruser, mic boost is an option in gnome-mixer of gnome 2.10+.. iam using gnome 2.8 (stable sarge) |
| 20:17.36 | linux_addict_ | i've enabled mic boost in Ubuntu bf4 trying debian , and it worked... but I didn find similar option in debian sarge |
| 20:17.38 | nashirak | stew: The e2fsprogs solution seems to be working.... thank you |
| 20:17.57 | stew | nashirak: you're welcome |
| 20:17.58 | linux_addict_ | Kerr, iam using oss... not alsa |
| 20:20.03 | linux_addict_ | any solution guys, i want to talk to my friend in USA thro skype :, i don have money for telephones |
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| 20:20.48 | nashirak | linux_addict_: Stamp/Envelope? :) |
| 20:20.58 | phogg | linux_addict_: um... set your mic volume up in the mixer? Tried aumix? |
| 20:21.00 | stew | linux_addict_: you need to figure out how to turn on mic boost, if you can't find a way with oss, switch to alsa, /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
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| 20:22.38 | Squarepants | hi |
| 20:22.54 | Squarepants | i just installed sarge and ther is no mention of PPP in dmesg. Must I recompile the kernel? |
| 20:23.14 | orn72 | Installed ALSA with apt-get alsa-base, but no go? /dev/dsp not up? |
| 20:23.27 | Seb | Squarepants: modprobe ppp |
| 20:23.27 | linux_addict_ | phogg, i'll try aumix now, if it didn work ... i'll give up OSS |
| 20:23.29 | lindi- | Squarepants: modprobe ppp |
| 20:23.52 | Kerr | linux_addict_: mic boost/volume = playback. fund the recording section of the mixer.. |
| 20:24.15 | linux_addict_ | Kerr, sorry, didn understand anyth |
| 20:24.29 | Kerr | find^ |
| 20:24.36 | orn72 | alsamixer gives: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 20:25.10 | linux_addict_ | kerr, understood now :) |
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| 20:25.27 | fbi | orn72: run alsaconf before you run alsamixer |
| 20:25.36 | linux_addict_ | Kerr, sed s/fund/find will b cooler :d |
| 20:25.45 | orn72 | fbi: i tried, no luck |
| 20:25.46 | Evangel | Hey, ehm -- I'm trying to install an HP Deskjet 3820 printer. lsusb lists it just fine, but cups doesn't seem to see it. |
| 20:25.58 | Evangel | Google only suggests installing foomatic, but that didn't help much... |
| 20:26.15 | fbi | orn72: was your soundcard present in alsaconf? |
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| 20:26.31 | orn72 | fbi: no... |
| 20:26.31 | crowolo | hello |
| 20:26.57 | linux_addict_ | ooh, i've been a geek since installing debian :S |
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| 20:27.02 | fbi | orn72: well you can't set mixer levels for a device that doesn't even exist to your system |
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| 20:27.08 | orn72 | fbi: but modules i810 something loaded... |
| 20:27.12 | fbi | orn72: what soundcards do you see in lspci |
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| 20:27.33 | Squarepants | seb> what does modprobe ppp do? is tha all? i am asking because right now i am on windows |
| 20:27.34 | phogg | Evangel: linuxprinting.org |
| 20:27.38 | Squarepants | i can't connect from linux |
| 20:27.51 | orn72 | fbi: 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801AA AC'97 Audio (rev 02) |
| 20:27.55 | lindi- | Squarepants: connect where? |
| 20:28.19 | Evangel | phogg: a no-go. It just mentions the relevant packages, and the CUPS installer should be "self-evident". Here, it only lists "hp: no_device_found" instead of the device proper. :-/ |
| 20:28.23 | Squarepants | internet |
| 20:28.25 | fbi | orn72: alsa should have seen that, is that a brand new motherboard or something? |
| 20:28.32 | ruser | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:28.39 | lindi- | Squarepants: you forgot to tell us what kind of network connection you have |
| 20:28.40 | phogg | Squarepants: modprobe ppp loads ppp support into the kernel which is necessary for dialup internet access. That may ont be all you need to do to get it working, depending on what you have done. |
| 20:28.43 | orn72 | fbi: not at all, good old intel stuff |
| 20:29.12 | fbi | orn72: kernel version please |
| 20:29.25 | Squarepants | lindi-> dial-up |
| 20:29.28 | orn72 | fbi: erhh, uname something? |
| 20:29.32 | fbi | uname -r |
| 20:29.53 | orn72 | fbi: 2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 20:30.14 | fbi | orn72: you either need to install a 2.6 kernel, or patch your 2.4 with the alsa drivers |
| 20:30.25 | orn72 | fbi: Ahhaaa :) |
| 20:30.36 | orn72 | fbi: apt-get install 2.6? |
| 20:30.49 | Frosted | o_O |
| 20:30.55 | fbi | orn72: sure, or install alsa-modules for your 2.4 |
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| 20:31.17 | deadcat | damn |
| 20:31.19 | fbi | orn72: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 20:31.33 | orn72 | fbi: OK, just thought "stable" would be 2.6... |
| 20:31.55 | fbi | orn72: sarge comes with a 2.6 but you don't see it unless you enter special boot methods screen |
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| 20:32.07 | SheShe | hey everyone |
| 20:32.09 | fbi | otherwise you install with a 2.4 |
| 20:32.14 | deadcat | 2.6.13 that bad? 2.6.14 is already in unstable... where .13 at? |
| 20:32.38 | orn72 | fbi: OK, so i search for a 2.6 and install that one and reboot? |
| 20:32.41 | SheShe | this is really dumb! |
| 20:32.44 | w3rdn4 | what programs would be used for nano research in debian? |
| 20:32.45 | fbi | orn72: yes |
| 20:32.58 | laurens__ | anyone wanna play xfrisk |
| 20:32.58 | fbi | orn72: then run: alsaconf; alsamixer again |
| 20:32.59 | laurens__ | ? |
| 20:33.08 | orn72 | fbi: thanx alot :) |
| 20:33.12 | SheShe | someone want to talk |
| 20:33.12 | fbi | no problem |
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| 20:33.23 | fbi | SheShe: sure, if it's about Debian |
| 20:33.28 | stew | deadcat: .13 is not likely to ever be anywhere but experimental |
| 20:33.37 | SheShe | you're boring |
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| 20:33.49 | fbi | *plonk* |
| 20:33.57 | deadcat | stew: ah.. |
| 20:34.09 | deadcat | stew: you use grsec? |
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| 20:34.35 | stew | !ops SheShe |
| 20:34.37 | SheShe | asdfgp s7ubgtjw;erig |
| 20:34.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: SheShe |
| 20:34.39 | SheShe | xd fgosiyeut4hs |
| 20:34.41 | SheShe | dfug[swetrs |
| 20:34.42 | stew | deadcat: nope |
| 20:34.43 | SheShe | dfgyw0[o5tub's |
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| 20:34.51 | deadcat | how this bitch paste so much without kicking? |
| 20:34.53 | SheShe | sdfigushreg |
| 20:34.54 | vjuliao | stew, knoppix installed on harddrive, more than one year, upgrade with debian unstable |
| 20:34.55 | SheShe | usdf]ghsgfshdi |
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| 20:35.08 | stew | vjuliao: you should be in #knoppix then |
| 20:35.16 | streuner | deadcat: prolly he flood without trick the bot (time) |
| 20:35.34 | deadcat | damn. |
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| 20:36.59 | ruser | my radeon frambuffer detects kernel: radeonfb: ATI Radeon LY DDR SGRAM 8 MB of memory, however in reality i have 16, any way to force it to 16MB? |
| 20:38.01 | vjuliao | stew, but there's nothing of knoppix now. all my sources and packages are debian unstable...am i wrong? |
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| 20:38.56 | phogg | vjuliao: if you started with knoppix chances are your system is still screwy. Knoppix set a lot of weird things |
| 20:39.58 | stew | vjuliao: yeah who knows. its not something we support. |
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| 20:44.07 | streuner | damog: why 'whiskas'? |
| 20:44.43 | damog | streuner: He likes it. |
| 20:44.45 | damog | Heh. |
| 20:44.51 | ruser | lol |
| 20:45.06 | gothtec | I can't find GAIM 1.5 in a .deb anywhere. Do I have to build it myself, or can any of you tell me where to find it? :) |
| 20:45.35 | streuner | gothtec: what version of debian? |
| 20:45.39 | ruser | gothtec packages.debian.org ? |
| 20:45.47 | streuner | !info gaim |
| 20:45.50 | dpkg | gaim: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:1.5.0+1.5.1cvs20051015-1 (sid), Packaged size: 831 kB, Installed size: 2036 kB |
| 20:45.51 | lindi- | gothtec: it's in debian testing, i backported it to sarge with apt-get --build source gaim |
| 20:46.02 | phogg | gothtec: I see a version of 1.5 in etch |
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| 20:46.11 | streuner | !info gaim etch |
| 20:46.18 | dpkg | gaim: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:1.5.0+1.5.1cvs20051015-1 (etch), Packaged size: 831 kB, Installed size: 2036 kB |
| 20:46.26 | gothtec | pdo was set to "stable" |
| 20:46.57 | lindi- | gothtec: just add "deb-src http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ etch main" to sources.list, run apt-get update; apt-get build-dep gaim; and then as normal user "fakeroot apt-get --build source gaim" |
| 20:47.10 | SimonRaven | lindi-: um, it's ok |
| 20:47.38 | gothtec | lindi-: you just answered my next question before I asked it. thanks a bunch! |
| 20:47.43 | SimonRaven | though there's nothing wrong with your instructions :) |
| 20:48.14 | The_Ultimate_Sam | how do you extract partial rar files into one file |
| 20:48.38 | ruser | The_Ultimate_Sam rar x main_rar_archive.rar |
| 20:48.40 | SimonRaven | man rar |
| 20:49.01 | The_Ultimate_Sam | how do you know which is the main? |
| 20:49.08 | The_Ultimate_Sam | is it just the first one? |
| 20:49.24 | ruser | The_Ultimate_Sam usually the one with extension of rar or .001 or w/e is the first one :) |
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| 20:50.26 | eguzkia | how can i get SARGE? |
| 20:50.41 | stew | eguzkia: /msg dpkg install debian |
| 20:50.50 | FarrisG | I have a partition that's filling up rapidly. Does anyone know of a way to quickly tell WHERE data is being written to so quickly? |
| 20:50.53 | gothtec | lindi-: hm.. I added the deb-src line to sources.list and updated, but it still says "E: Build-Depends dependency for gaim cannot be satisfied because the package libxss-dev cannot be found" |
| 20:51.02 | FarrisG | It's a huge partition, with about 100 users |
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| 20:52.09 | lindi- | gothtec: hmm, i must have ignored that dependency, just skip the 'build-dep' phase and you'll see what the other dependencies are |
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| 20:53.25 | johns^ | FarrisG: du -h --max-depth=1 |
| 20:53.28 | lindi- | gothtec: my bash history has sudo apt-get install tcl8.4-dev tk8.4-dev libao-dev libgtkspell-dev libzephyr-dev ; apt-get source gaim; cd gaim-1.5.0; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -d |
| 20:53.56 | havocologe | are there some good tv applications for debian?? |
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| 20:54.40 | hjack | Okay I just installed Debian via net install but have no kind of graphical enviroment. How do I go about fixing this? |
| 20:55.03 | FarrisG | johns^: mind telling me how that will show me what I want? |
| 20:55.06 | The_Ultimate_Sam | if you rename a file can it still extract the other parts? |
| 20:55.28 | cheal | hjack: "fixing" this? how about installing one? |
| 20:55.28 | fbi | hjack: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 20:55.34 | johns^ | Ferret: Disk Usage.. It shows you the size of subdirs |
| 20:55.41 | johns^ | sorry |
| 20:55.45 | johns^ | FarrisG |
| 20:55.50 | tung | ugh, forgot how to change the display in front of the $ in the command window, like instead of tung@punisher:~$, i want it to show punisher:~$ |
| 20:55.51 | gothtec | lindi-: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: bzip2 cdbs libgtk2.0-dev libxss-dev libgnutls11-dev (>= 1.0.16-5) tcl8.4-dev tk8.4-dev libao-dev libaudiofile-dev libgtkspell-dev libltdl3-dev libstartup-notification0-dev libzephyr-dev libxml2-dev libebook1.2-dev libedata-book1.2-dev libcamel1.2-dev |
| 20:55.53 | tung | which file was that? |
| 20:56.00 | hjack | I believe I did install one. I selected it during install cheal |
| 20:56.09 | FarrisG | johns^: Yes, that I understand. So what you're suggesting is just doing du, then doing it again to see what's growing? |
| 20:56.13 | gothtec | lindi-: i haven't built much else on this machine :) |
| 20:56.19 | cheal | hjack: do you know exactly what you want? KDE, Gnome, something else? |
| 20:56.22 | hjack | KDE |
| 20:56.27 | ruser | tung eithwer your /etc/profile global or your local shell rc file |
| 20:56.28 | gothtec | lindi-: it's a 166mhz pentium mmx, so it kind of takes ages |
| 20:56.38 | FarrisG | johns^: The problem is, this is such a huge partition that it takes about 10 to 15 minutes just to do a du |
| 20:56.38 | cheal | hjack: is the "kde" package installed? |
| 20:56.49 | lindi- | gothtec: i built on another machine and then scp'ed the packages to my system |
| 20:56.49 | tung | ruser: thanks |
| 20:56.50 | johns^ | FarrisG: it shows you which user is eating up your diskspace |
| 20:56.53 | hjack | I selected it and remember seeing it when install packages |
| 20:57.06 | hjack | "Install package -KDE" and what not |
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| 20:57.11 | gothtec | lindi-: ah. lemme give that a shot |
| 20:57.20 | lindi- | gothtec: that's a good way to make sure you don't break anything on your system too :) |
| 20:57.32 | FarrisG | Heh, when I say "quickly", I don't mean that my partition will be full within a week. I mean, at the rate it's filling, it will be full in 10 minutes :) |
| 20:57.34 | cheal | hjack: just verify that it's installed |
| 20:57.48 | hjack | How do I do that? Fairly new to linux here. |
| 20:57.53 | ke6isf | FarrisG: How many users are on right now? |
| 20:58.08 | FarrisG | ke6isf: About 25 |
| 20:58.26 | ruser | FarrisG try setting quota for your users? |
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| 20:58.44 | ke6isf | FarrisG: Just a random thought, but 'top' or 'iptraf' will help - theory behind top is that if it's a program eating up disk space, it'll rise up to the top. |
| 20:58.48 | FarrisG | ruser: I have a quota, it works. |
| 20:58.50 | fbi | hjack: dpkg -l <packagename> |
| 20:59.01 | fbi | hjack: what happens when you do 'startx' ? |
| 20:59.03 | cheal | hjack: does $ dpkg -l kde|grep ii; in the shell return something? |
| 20:59.09 | johns^ | FarrisG: quotarep | less? |
| 20:59.22 | johns^ | or repquota? |
| 20:59.28 | FarrisG | ke6isf: Also, I have 60 machines with this partition mounted, so I don't know which machine is actually running the app that's eating the space |
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| 20:59.38 | ke6isf | FarrisG: Also note that a certain amount will be kept aside for root usage, |
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| 21:00.10 | ke6isf | FarrisG: If that's the case, then I'd focus on iptraf if I were me. It's going in through rexec or something? |
| 21:00.25 | hjack | yes |
| 21:00.27 | hjack | I do have KDE |
| 21:00.34 | FarrisG | ke6isf: No rexec |
| 21:00.51 | sussudio | badgerrrr |
| 21:00.55 | fbi | hjack: do what is the problem, you want a graphical login instead of booting into console? |
| 21:00.59 | sussudio | http://badgercam.webhop.org/ |
| 21:00.59 | fbi | mushroooooom |
| 21:01.05 | ke6isf | !drxx hjack |
| 21:01.06 | dpkg | hjack: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 21:01.09 | hjack | When I type startx it says a server is already started. Yrs fbi |
| 21:01.13 | ke6isf | SNAAAAAKE! |
| 21:01.27 | fbi | hjack: so install a display manager then |
| 21:01.37 | ke6isf | hjack: Do Ctrl-Alt-F7 then. |
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| 21:04.04 | hjack | ke6isf I have already done that and have a blank screen so I came to a tty and bitched in here. |
| 21:04.16 | hjack | I noticed that I had the incorrect vid driver |
| 21:04.23 | hjack | I have corrected it |
| 21:04.31 | hjack | How do I re-start the x server |
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| 21:05.35 | tung | startx |
| 21:05.41 | tung | hjack: startx |
| 21:05.45 | ke6isf | tung: That's how to start it, not restart it. |
| 21:05.54 | burton | hi, anyone has idea where to get/download iso image with kernel 2.6.14 ? |
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| 21:05.58 | ke6isf | hjack: From the cli? Find the X process and kill it. |
| 21:05.59 | jbroome | ctrl-alt-bkspace |
| 21:06.03 | ke6isf | !drxx hjack |
| 21:06.03 | dpkg | hjack: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 21:06.06 | ke6isf | jbroome: No gui. |
| 21:06.07 | hjack | wait |
| 21:06.09 | hjack | It works |
| 21:06.10 | hjack | bbias |
| 21:06.11 | havocologe | !dpgk sarge libdvdcss |
| 21:06.16 | dli__ | burton, I heard it's in sid |
| 21:06.36 | havocologe | !dpkg libdvdcss |
| 21:06.37 | dpkg | To get libdvdcss, follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/libdvdread?/; or run /usr/share/doc/libdvdread?/examples/install-css.sh |
| 21:06.41 | Squarepants | how do i make X to load some programs automatically after loadeing? |
| 21:07.05 | thingfish | havocologe: or add marillat to your sources.list and apt-get it. |
| 21:07.05 | cheal | !tell havocologe about msg the bot |
| 21:07.07 | burton | dli__ : sid , where , url? |
| 21:07.20 | havocologe | thingfish, marillat ?? |
| 21:07.32 | thingfish | havocologe: do /msg dpkg marillat |
| 21:07.33 | fbi | Squarepants: with your ~/.xsession file, depending on what you are talking about |
| 21:07.33 | dli__ | burton, sid is "unstable" |
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| 21:07.49 | dli__ | burton, but still, don't use unstable |
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| 21:08.04 | Squarepants | i want to load some programs, like konsole, xmms etc everytime i start x |
| 21:08.19 | LEOS | holaaaaaa |
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| 21:08.25 | fbi | !es |
| 21:08.25 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:08.45 | dave | when reinstalling the kernel, is there a way to have the questions answered with your current config settings already inserted then only have to change waht you want? |
| 21:08.45 | fbi | it is way too nice to sit indoors, later. |
| 21:08.47 | cusco | !pt |
| 21:08.47 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 21:08.54 | burton | dli__: i need it with kernel 2.4.16 becouse of scsi drivers that are released only in 2.6.14 kernel |
| 21:09.01 | Coweater | Squarepants: what de or wm are you using? |
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| 21:09.06 | petemc | dave: make oldconfig |
| 21:09.16 | E-bola | My sarge installation throws me out every 30 secs or so and when i login again i see my previous session hanging, I see nothing int he logs that coudl relate to this. Do anybody have any ideas or sugestions to what might be happening? |
| 21:09.46 | Squarepants | kde |
| 21:09.59 | Squarepants | Coweater> kde |
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| 21:11.00 | Coweater | Squarepants: if you start it, run those app and then log out it should give you an option to save session, then never save the session again and it'll always open to that |
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| 21:11.59 | dli__ | burton: what about compiling your own? download the source from kernel.org |
| 21:12.23 | Squarepants | no i dont have this option |
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| 21:13.21 | Coweater | Squarepants: perhaps i was mistaken, in the control center under kde components there should be a session manager though |
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| 21:13.33 | Squarepants | ok |
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| 21:16.01 | burton | dli__: yes, i have sources for 2.6.14 , but i need some simple howto for create netinst image (minimal-boot iso) |
| 21:16.49 | dli__ | burton, you need to compile it first |
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| 21:18.29 | orn72 | fbi: installed new kernel and did a alsaconf, now it works :) Thanks again |
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| 21:19.16 | lightbright | orn72: grat :) |
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| 21:21.58 | havocologe | lol. every videoplayer sucks with my dvd:( only the omnipotent vlc get it done:) |
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| 21:24.00 | burton | dli__: i have compiled with initrd,drivers,socket,.... |
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| 21:27.30 | yoo | Hi all ! |
| 21:27.57 | dli__ | burton, I heard the package to built debian cd is "debian-cd" |
| 21:28.00 | dli__ | !d-i |
| 21:28.00 | dpkg | i guess d-i is you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ |
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| 21:29.28 | rnn | Where I get the java sun-j2re1.5 package for my debian? |
| 21:29.33 | rnn | .deb package. |
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| 21:31.20 | dli__ | rnn get the .bin for linux (not rpm) |
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| 21:32.14 | ke6isf | !java |
| 21:32.14 | dpkg | it has been said that java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 21:32.17 | dli__ | rnn: apt-get install java-package |
| 21:32.39 | jlmb | !install java |
| 21:32.40 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Still here? Install the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about java-package. |
| 21:32.52 | ke6isf | !tell jlmb -about msg the bot |
| 21:33.15 | jlmb | ke6isf: wops, thanks :) |
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| 21:34.02 | thingfish | it's cute how zealous some people get. |
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| 21:37.27 | HeavenWarrior | checking how to run the c++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp configure: error: c++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check *** error during stage configure of pkg-config: could not configure packge *** |
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| 21:38.18 | HeavenWarrior | checking for c++ compiler default output file name... configure: error: c++ compiler cannot create executables *** erro during stage configure of python" could not configure package *** |
| 21:38.46 | ke6isf | !tell HeavenWarrior -about repeat |
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| 21:39.23 | HeavenWarrior | ke6isf, i don't repeat as you can see |
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| 21:39.40 | rnn | dli_, thnks =) |
| 21:40.08 | dli__ | rnn: I don't see how to get installer with your kernel :( |
| 21:40.25 | rnn | Linux rnn 2.6.8-2-686 #1 Thu May 19 17:53:30 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 21:40.28 | rnn | xP |
| 21:40.31 | Yisus | hello!! |
| 21:40.36 | HeavenWarrior | someone to know how to hope with my problem |
| 21:40.36 | HeavenWarrior | ? |
| 21:40.48 | Yisus | could someone help me with a cdwriting doubt??? |
| 21:40.51 | ke6isf | HeavenWarrior: One word changed. What exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 21:41.23 | dli__ | Yisus, if you didn't try, "apt-get install k3b" |
| 21:41.27 | lightbright | HeavenWarrior: what problem? |
| 21:41.51 | Yisus | dli__ I use cdrecord backend |
| 21:42.00 | HeavenWarrior | well i've found by google, a tool for automated building of e17 by cvs, it's ecvsbuildtool, but in compilation i've get these two errors |
| 21:42.09 | HeavenWarrior | and i think that i'm missing may be some devel files |
| 21:42.39 | ke6isf | HeavenWarrior: OK, this makes more sense. What version of Debian are you using? |
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| 21:44.14 | Yisus | could someone give any idea about... why my cdwriter burn all the CDs bad??? but it seem that the burn process performs correctly... |
| 21:44.23 | hjack | Thank you everyone who helped me before. I have a aestetic question now. I am trying to load this splash screen but none seem to have the correct config nessacary. |
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| 21:45.01 | HeavenWarrior | debian unstable |
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| 21:45.02 | HeavenWarrior | release |
| 21:45.10 | ke6isf | *backs off* |
| 21:45.18 | thingfish | hehe |
| 21:45.36 | HeavenWarrior | i know how dangerous is that but .. |
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| 21:45.40 | SimonRaven | ok, ldap works |
| 21:45.56 | dli__ | HeavenWarrior, but it's called unstable? why ask here? |
| 21:46.06 | MrCoYoTe | ree |
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| 21:46.34 | jak | anyone knows how to tell openoffice to communicate to me in german? THX |
| 21:46.56 | HeavenWarrior | dli_, because i don't think it's problem of version, but missing packages on my system, it tells something wrong with c++ compiler and preprocessor |
| 21:46.57 | cheal | jak: did you install the appropriate localization package? |
| 21:47.15 | lord_rob_ | apt-get install openoffice.org-l18n-de |
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| 21:47.26 | jak | cheal: ive installed ooffice as a "blind" package first, and then i installed the localized packages |
| 21:48.00 | ke6isf | HeavenWarrior: build-essentials comes to mind. Did you instal that? |
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| 21:48.32 | thingfish | build-essential |
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| 21:48.44 | ke6isf | HeavenWarrior: what thingfish said. |
| 21:48.54 | thingfish | :) |
| 21:49.03 | HeavenWarrior | nope |
| 21:49.07 | cheal | jak: hum, what do you mean by ""blind" package"? |
| 21:49.12 | twinsen | can anyone here help me to enable dma on my dvd and cd burners? hdparm -d1 /dev/hda gives me this error: HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted |
| 21:49.16 | ke6isf | HeavenWarrior: You might try installing it hten. |
| 21:49.19 | HeavenWarrior | i'm installing it right now |
| 21:49.34 | twinsen | . |
| 21:49.55 | twinsen | .. |
| 21:50.03 | HeavenWarrior | now it works |
| 21:50.04 | HeavenWarrior | thanks! |
| 21:50.05 | HeavenWarrior | ;) |
| 21:50.18 | SimonRaven | eh, .14 is a strange puppy |
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| 21:50.46 | thingfish | it's all strange... |
| 21:50.49 | SimonRaven | twinsen: you don't |
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| 21:51.19 | jacob83 | which facility of hotplug has to be desactivated in order to prevent the different chipset modules from loading? |
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| 21:51.42 | twinsen | SimonRaven: will i lose any burning speed because dma isn't enabled? |
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| 21:52.22 | SimonRaven | twinsen: you're not supposed to enable it, and the kernel isn't going to let you, as you saw |
| 21:52.22 | twinsen | . |
| 21:52.34 | nocxium | hehe cooking like red indians |
| 21:52.44 | SimonRaven | @lart nocxium |
| 21:52.54 | thingfish | oh that makes sense. |
| 21:52.58 | SimonRaven | !lart nocxium |
| 21:53.03 | SimonRaven | @lart nocxium |
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| 21:53.35 | FlimFlamMan | i have /boot on /dev/sdc1 - if i want to move that to /dev/sda1, can i just copy it there and then change the default boot device in the controller? |
| 21:53.36 | omry | for a system backup, is it safe to exclude /var/cache? |
| 21:53.42 | jacob83 | which facility of hotplug has to be desactivated in order to prevent the different chipset modules from loading? |
| 21:53.43 | thingfish | I'd say that's an official larting. |
| 21:53.46 | nocxium | shes dives too long |
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| 21:54.07 | jak | cheal: /me did apt-get install openoffice.org instead of openoffice.org-<$preferred_language) |
| 21:54.16 | thingfish | maybe nocxium is a nonsense bot. |
| 21:54.38 | SimonRaven | it makes sense if you factor in the fact he wanted to sound like a moron |
| 21:54.42 | ke6isf | thingfish: He'd be more impressive if he was pinheadding. |
| 21:54.51 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 21:54.59 | SimonRaven | and a fricking racist |
| 21:55.12 | ke6isf | SimonRaven: Indeed. |
| 21:55.37 | thingfish | dregs of society... |
| 21:55.38 | dondelelcaro | nocxium: this is a turing test. |
| 21:55.41 | nocxium | as you SimonRaven |
| 21:55.53 | linux_addict_ | guys, My headphone is not affected by the master volume any more (Alsa, pcm-out=post 3d, external=on), any suggestions ? |
| 21:56.08 | dondelelcaro | nocxium: whatever you are, please stop spewing nonsense, or you will be devoiced. |
| 21:56.10 | dave | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.24 | dave | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.31 | dondelelcaro | dave: samba and cups, in most cases. |
| 21:56.33 | havocologe | mh. why kaffeine does not recognize my dvb device ?? ("kaffeine: No DVB device found.") |
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| 21:56.36 | SimonRaven | nocxium: go fuck yourself |
| 21:56.47 | jacob83 | which facility of hotplug has to be desactivated in order to prevent the different chipset modules from loading? |
| 21:56.48 | dondelelcaro | SimonRaven: dude, just use /ignore if it's a big deal. |
| 21:56.58 | SimonRaven | i'm about to |
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| 21:58.02 | linux_addict_ | any suggestions plzz ? |
| 21:58.11 | jacob83 | quit |
| 21:58.24 | nocxium | SimonRaven: you think of it |
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| 21:59.27 | nocxium | fools always disapear |
| 21:59.31 | streuner | nocxium: Hau ab und langweile uns nicht! |
| 21:59.43 | whitehorse1 | dave: Separate PCs I take it? Interconnected via LAN? Samba seems to be method of choice. (n.b. am not v. experienced myself; but that's advice I see proffered usually to that query) |
| 22:00.02 | thingfish | it's a bot, or it's *real* high on acid. |
| 22:00.12 | linux_addict_ | how to make the master volume control controls the sound of headphones ? |
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| 22:00.41 | outlaw84 | how much diskspace do you need to compile a Linux kernel? |
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| 22:00.49 | Tortel | !omg |
| 22:00.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, omg is what ppl say when they see a printed copy of the CORBA specs. "OMG! IT'S HUGE!". Oh My God |
| 22:00.51 | nocxium | streuner: verpiss dich und sie glueklich |
| 22:00.57 | thingfish | now that was gracious. |
| 22:01.03 | dave | can samba share the printer? or do I need the cups? and which cups packages are needed? |
| 22:01.15 | nocxium | dumm dumm |
| 22:01.22 | laurens__ | "the printer"? |
| 22:01.32 | laurens__ | dave: let me help you explain your problem better. |
| 22:01.42 | laurens__ | Is the printer connected to the debian box? |
| 22:01.51 | whitehorse1 | dave: linuxprinting.org site will suggest whether cups does support your SPECIFIC printer or not. If it doesn't... then cups shan't help ;) |
| 22:01.56 | nocxium | streuner: du spak langweilst mich |
| 22:02.06 | dave | can samba allow my debain box to print to the parallel attached printer on my windoze computer |
| 22:02.08 | linux_addict_ | my master volume control does not control the sound of my headphones, but control the sound of the pc speakers , any suggestions ? |
| 22:02.29 | whitehorse1 | dave: ARE the two computer connected in ANY way? |
| 22:02.41 | dave | yes, the computers are lan connected |
| 22:02.42 | thingfish | psychologists could earn money if they came here to #debian and hung out. |
| 22:02.58 | jak | outlaw84: around 500 mb? |
| 22:03.06 | thingfish | trouble is, the ones who need it most don't realize it. |
| 22:03.24 | whitehorse1 | linux_addict_: no, sorry. best I can do is suggest docs/wiki/mailing-list at http://www.alsa-project.org/ :-| |
| 22:03.36 | SimonRaven | outlaw84: count on 200-400 MB easy. mine was 390. |
| 22:03.43 | rutski89 | I how do i get vim to highlight syntax? |
| 22:03.55 | whitehorse1 | thingfish: Interesting. Upon what basis do you base that assumption, pray tell? |
| 22:04.07 | cheal | jak: humk. so are you starting OOo from the shell? |
| 22:04.17 | linux_addict_ | whitehorse1, is it a bug, or just bad configurations ? i didn face this prob in other distros |
| 22:04.20 | thingfish | whitehorse1: which assumption is that, friend? I make so many. |
| 22:05.13 | whitehorse1 | rutski89: http://www.thomer.com/thomer/vi/vi.html <Vi Lovers Home page. Apparently a good resource for "that Vi thing" :-) |
| 22:05.29 | whitehorse1 | linux_addict_: At my level of (in)experience I couldn't say, sorry. |
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| 22:06.06 | whitehorse1 | thingfish: This one: 'sychologists could earn money if they came here to #debian and hung out.' |
| 22:06.31 | whitehorse1 | linux_addict_: However, if it worked in other distros using Alsa then I'd assume configuration |
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| 22:06.52 | SimonRaven | sociologists, too i might add |
| 22:07.18 | thingfish | whitehorse1: #debian seems to attract a fair number of oddballs, that's all. |
| 22:07.32 | streuner | !sunday |
| 22:07.32 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 22:07.46 | whitehorse1 | thingfish: Linux too? |
| 22:08.02 | thingfish | whitehorse1: I'm kind of afraid so. |
| 22:08.02 | AimHere | #debian is nowhere near as odd as #gnu |
| 22:08.06 | AimHere | count your blessings |
| 22:08.14 | Tortel | !saturday |
| 22:08.15 | dpkg | saturday is, like, Tardsday Eve |
| 22:08.15 | thingfish | hehe |
| 22:08.19 | whitehorse1 | AimHere: Ouch yup I can imagine. g |
| 22:08.25 | thingfish | don't get me wrong, I love it here. |
| 22:09.07 | thingfish | hehe tardsday eve |
| 22:09.10 | whitehorse1 | No offence taken by me, I'll no doubt add nothing useful to the conversation tonight at least. |
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| 22:10.21 | outlaw84 | jak, SimonRaven : I am asking because I am going to try to make a kernel compile from a RAM drive to see if the performance goes up... I got 2x512Mb so it should be okey if the numbers you gave me are correct |
| 22:10.21 | thingfish | we'll put it off to "community building". |
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| 22:11.00 | whitehorse1 | outlaw84: Have you considered (and please bear in mind I'm new-ish if this is a confused albeit well-intentioned suggestion) using "memcache"? (in respository) |
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| 22:11.37 | whitehorse1 | rutski89: Was that link any use, out've idle interest? |
| 22:12.34 | streuner | any books help |
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| 22:12.59 | FlimFlamMan | any guesses why a fairly heavy scp operation would result in this "Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000020" error: http://rafb.net/paste/results/vq3jhd23.html |
| 22:13.26 | thingfish | I learned all my linux from fashion magazines. |
| 22:13.44 | tarzeau | thingfish: whish fashion magazine? www.playboy.com ? |
| 22:13.47 | whitehorse1 | streuner: Yup, I kind've have a few PDF'd ebooks on the (desktop) computer but it's easier for me to read an 'actual' book |
| 22:13.56 | thingfish | tsk no, silly - Vogue! |
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| 22:14.06 | thingfish | they have a great linux column. |
| 22:14.19 | outlaw84 | whitehorse1: thanks for the tips... But by reading what is said in 'apt-cache show memcached' I dont think this is right for my need |
| 22:14.20 | thingfish | fresh out of milan. |
| 22:14.24 | whitehorse1 | thingfish: that's very true. i ws surprised at first |
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| 22:14.50 | tarzeau | thingfish: got scans? |
| 22:14.51 | whitehorse1 | outlaw84: no prob. thank you for the gentlemanly response. |
| 22:14.56 | jak | cheal: yes, starting oo from the shell |
| 22:14.57 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 22:16.16 | lur | hello |
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| 22:16.38 | linux_addict_ | whitehorse1, yes it worked under alsa with other distros, Iam reading the Alsa docs now... thx for help |
| 22:16.42 | lur | I tried to compile a program, and it tells me my c compiler cannot create executables |
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| 22:17.33 | whitehorse1 | linux_addict_: :) |
| 22:18.10 | lur | why does my c compiler not do what it's supposed to |
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| 22:18.49 | tarzeau | lur: it does, here |
| 22:18.51 | SimonRaven | it does exactly as told |
| 22:18.51 | tarzeau | !faq lur |
| 22:18.54 | Gathond | lur: its broken? |
| 22:18.54 | dpkg | lur: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 22:19.00 | tarzeau | Gathond: no PEBKAC |
| 22:19.00 | pedro420 | nvz: You there man |
| 22:19.07 | lur | I just installed gcc |
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| 22:19.15 | lur | debians finds that gcc is unneccessary |
| 22:19.17 | tarzeau | lur: you did it wrong |
| 22:19.19 | cddesjar | lauren? |
| 22:19.21 | lur | I used apt |
| 22:19.24 | tarzeau | lur: you did it wrong |
| 22:19.28 | lur | I used apt |
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| 22:19.30 | tarzeau | lur: you did it wrong |
| 22:19.32 | lur | apt did it wrong |
| 22:19.36 | tarzeau | lur: no, you did |
| 22:19.39 | lur | ... |
| 22:19.45 | lur | I did this exactly |
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| 22:19.55 | lur | apt-get install gcc |
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| 22:19.59 | lur | how did I do it wronf |
| 22:20.08 | cddesjar | where is the dude who wanted to play xfrisk earlier? |
| 22:20.12 | tarzeau | lur: and you got a c compiler |
| 22:20.18 | lur | yes |
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| 22:20.25 | lur | why does it not create executables |
| 22:20.35 | tarzeau | lur: does linking fail? |
| 22:20.39 | lur | no idea |
| 22:20.44 | SimonRaven | !b-e lur |
| 22:20.45 | dpkg | lur: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 22:20.46 | tarzeau | lur: got binutils? |
| 22:20.59 | lur | maybe I need binutils |
| 22:21.07 | Gathond | lur: it probably does, the configure scripts usually just try to compile/link some test code, and if that fails prints that error |
| 22:21.24 | aisotton | has anybody been successful building nvidia-kernel-source against kernel 2.6.14-1-k7? |
| 22:21.49 | lur | ok, I have binutils apparently |
| 22:21.59 | lur | says apt |
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| 22:22.43 | dli__ | !d-i |
| 22:22.43 | dpkg | from memory, d-i is you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ |
| 22:22.55 | lur | huh? |
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| 22:25.29 | lur | do I need a package that makes the executables, or should gcc do it on its own |
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| 22:26.17 | nicoal | is there a way for apt to show the changelog output on upgrades? |
| 22:26.24 | ncp | myftpadmin is no where to be found anymore, anyone know where i could download it, ore know a clone of it? |
| 22:26.28 | tarzeau | nicoal: yes |
| 22:26.32 | SimonRaven | apt-listchanges |
| 22:26.50 | Gathond | lur: gcc and binutils installed can do that, but the configure scripts test probably depends on libc to link with, just install build-essential as dpkg said |
| 22:26.51 | havocologe | is there a special kernel for sarge with all dvb drivers included or just the standard image that has them included? |
| 22:27.05 | SimonRaven | lur: start with apt-get install build-essential |
| 22:27.09 | lur | what is build-essentials |
| 22:27.13 | lur | ok |
| 22:27.24 | SimonRaven | singular |
| 22:27.31 | lur | apt could not find it |
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| 22:28.18 | SimonRaven | !info build-essential |
| 22:28.20 | Gathond | lur: its build-essential |
| 22:28.25 | dpkg | build-essential: (informational list of build-essential packages), section devel, is optional. Version: 11.1 (sid), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 22:28.32 | SimonRaven | not 'essentials' |
| 22:28.38 | lur | oh |
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| 22:28.48 | lur | solid |
| 22:29.45 | nicoal | ooo awesome.. thanks! |
| 22:30.31 | lur | nice, works now |
| 22:30.32 | lur | thanks |
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| 22:31.33 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 22:31.36 | amorphix | I just bought a hp omnibook puter with 3 batteries for £56 |
| 22:31.41 | wazzles | what is the reverse of dpkg -i? |
| 22:31.44 | amorphix | good deal? |
| 22:31.46 | findmel | amorphix, wow that is least |
| 22:31.49 | findmel | i have sen |
| 22:31.52 | amorphix | phew |
| 22:32.02 | Phated | amorphix: Should've asked before buying, no? :) |
| 22:32.11 | findmel | amorphix, can i give you pound 60? |
| 22:32.22 | amorphix | seems good, just some minor issues which are nothing major |
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| 22:32.31 | amorphix | hehe |
| 22:32.42 | wazzles | if dpkg -i installs a package what would remove a package? |
| 22:32.51 | deepan | how do i use mget in lftp in recursive mode ? |
| 22:32.53 | SimonRaven | man dpkg |
| 22:33.05 | amorphix | I also bought a Toshiba Tecra laptop today for £128 |
| 22:33.23 | wazzles | thx |
| 22:33.26 | amorphix | to replace my HP Omnibook 6000 which has got both its hinges snapped off :-( |
| 22:33.26 | dli__ | amorphix, $100 us? |
| 22:33.30 | SimonRaven | i know someone who got one for free |
| 22:33.33 | amorphix | 100 UK pounds |
| 22:33.40 | amorphix | thats about $160 US |
| 22:33.57 | SimonRaven | that's 0$ US |
| 22:34.06 | amorphix | why? |
| 22:34.23 | SimonRaven | he found it in the garbage |
| 22:34.30 | amorphix | no way |
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| 22:34.49 | sportman | yo |
| 22:34.50 | sportman | http://digg.com/apple/Hacked_OSx86_Updated_to_10.4.3 |
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| 22:35.00 | dli__ | SimonRaven, I know one who found an ibm thinkpad in garbage. 333 MHz, 128 MB, 6GB |
| 22:35.00 | sportman | more info on irc.osx86project.org |
| 22:35.03 | SimonRaven | dude, it's amazing what people will toss out onto the curb |
| 22:35.05 | amorphix | wtf? |
| 22:35.08 | sportman | http://digg.com/apple/Hacked_OSx86_Updated_to_10.4.3 |
| 22:35.20 | SimonRaven | sportman: STFU |
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| 22:35.26 | amorphix | spamming? |
| 22:35.30 | avery | nope |
| 22:35.30 | amorphix | too lame |
| 22:35.31 | avery | accident |
| 22:35.34 | whitehorse1 | ncp: It does seem a little hidden, I see someone else mentions it here recently; from Google. [http://tinyurl.com/c3w6s] (cached Google search link) |
| 22:35.48 | avery | thought something else was in the paste key |
| 22:35.49 | avery | :( |
| 22:35.53 | avery | sorry |
| 22:35.57 | avery | adios |
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| 22:36.14 | amorphix | deadcat is not greycat |
| 22:36.20 | amorphix | hi deadcat |
| 22:36.27 | Squarepants | hi |
| 22:36.32 | SimonRaven | and neither of them are dead, nor grey |
| 22:36.33 | Squarepants | as i said before, there is no ppp in dmesg |
| 22:36.36 | deadcat | amorphix: no goddammit |
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| 22:36.41 | amorphix | :-) |
| 22:36.43 | Squarepants | i tried modprobe ppp but it says module not found |
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| 22:36.53 | sumamaesgrande | hi |
| 22:36.53 | amorphix | I want to design my own laptop |
| 22:37.03 | Guerin | amorphix: i want a pony |
| 22:37.06 | Roey | Squarepants: that reminds me of a russian joke ("there is no ppp in demsg") |
| 22:37.08 | amorphix | and make a frankeinstein |
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| 22:37.43 | Squarepants | i dont know it |
| 22:37.48 | amorphix | Guerin: where would you keep one |
| 22:37.53 | Squarepants | anyway, i cant onnect to the internet |
| 22:37.53 | Squarepants | what can i do |
| 22:38.01 | Guerin | amorphix: if I had one, i'd find a place. |
| 22:38.18 | whitehorse1 | ncp: It shouldn't be too hard to find binary/source using the Wayback archive though I'd think? 'Course, it'd be old & possibly unsupported software if that was only way to obtain it, but if thats what you really wanted it'd be fine |
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| 22:38.21 | amorphix | do you know how much those things eat |
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| 22:39.05 | amorphix | you can sell their crap tho for fertiliser so its not all bad |
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| 22:39.22 | Guerin | amorphix: my sister had a pony when we were kids ... but i never got one :( |
| 22:39.43 | deadcat | i just tried 2.6.14, it was not moving when it gets to ext3... |
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| 22:39.50 | amorphix | Guerin: theres a big nature reserve near me with many ponys and horses, u can keep them there and they look after them for you |
| 22:39.58 | shevek | I have a machine without an internal speaker, but with a sound card. Can I make the X beep play some sample instead of using the PC speaker, so I can hear it? I'm using gnome. |
| 22:40.03 | amorphix | a friend of mine had one |
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| 22:40.21 | linux_addict_ | guys, google says that i need "artdsp" to hear sounds from multiple programs.. but i dunno how to start it |
| 22:40.33 | whitehorse1 | ncp: Yes, tar files of it are definitely available. |
| 22:40.35 | amorphix | arts |
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| 22:40.42 | linux_addict_ | it's not installed, i've done "apt-cache search artdsp" but no results found |
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| 22:40.55 | amorphix | oh |
| 22:41.13 | Squarepants | how do i enable ppp in a freshly installed sarge? |
| 22:41.20 | ncp | whitehorse1: could you give me an url? |
| 22:41.37 | ncp | all the tar files i find are linked to myftpadmin.nu |
| 22:41.45 | ncp | an that page i closed :S |
| 22:41.58 | amorphix | what about apt-get install arts |
| 22:42.13 | ncp | raz0: :) |
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| 22:42.44 | amorphix | I want to sell my Palm 515 im bored with it |
| 22:42.44 | whitehorse1 | ncp: Yes. Waybacked pages work though, I found a downloadable tar of version 0.4, but the latest version referred to in forums' search results at least is v0.6x. |
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| 22:43.29 | sylvisj | Can anyone here help me with WoW on Wine? |
| 22:43.33 | whitehorse1 | ...working on it |
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| 22:43.38 | Guerin | arts is only useful if you run ke |
| 22:43.44 | amorphix | oh |
| 22:43.44 | Guerin | if you don't, use dmix instead |
| 22:43.48 | Guerin | !dmx |
| 22:43.48 | dpkg | it has been said that dmx is cough syrup, and get some help, cause if you take that, you really have a problem. |
| 22:43.50 | Guerin | !dmix |
| 22:43.50 | dpkg | from memory, dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 22:43.54 | ncp | whitehorse1: there was a 0.7 testing version to... just have to contact the maker of the it istead... maybe more luck there |
| 22:43.57 | amorphix | hehehe |
| 22:44.09 | Guerin | sky_man: google can. |
| 22:44.09 | raz0 | ncp: The server might not be permanently down. You could try again tomorrow. |
| 22:44.11 | amorphix | you guys are funny |
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| 22:44.13 | Guerin | GODDAMNIT |
| 22:44.18 | Guerin | sylvisj: google can |
| 22:44.24 | whitehorse1 | ncp: Have you got his contact details yet? |
| 22:44.38 | sylvisj | Guerin, I've been searching it for a while. |
| 22:44.53 | ncp | raz0: i'm sure its down for good... he asked people to taker over the projekt because he didnt have the time anymore |
| 22:45.23 | raz0 | ncp: Oh okay, in that case I guess you're right. |
| 22:45.26 | ncp | whitehorse1: no, but i can do a whois on his domain, ore use google should be possible to contackt him |
| 22:45.41 | ncp | raz0: i'm always right, dont you know that by now :) |
| 22:45.53 | raz0 | ncp, Hah.. right. :p |
| 22:46.00 | ncp | :P |
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| 22:46.33 | amorphix | who are these people who have taken over Thinkpad |
| 22:46.38 | amorphix | L... something |
| 22:46.57 | jbroome | lenovo |
| 22:46.59 | amorphix | yes |
| 22:47.03 | amorphix | who is that? |
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| 22:47.09 | whitehorse1 | ncp: Someone in April 05 said "I want to maintain the debian pkg of this thing" paraphrased. http://lists.debian.org/debian-wnpp/2005/10/msg00261.html |
| 22:47.12 | findmel | lenov=chinese king |
| 22:47.18 | amorphix | phew |
| 22:47.24 | amorphix | China is taking over USA? |
| 22:47.36 | findmel | japan thought so |
| 22:47.41 | jbroome | all of your T43s are belong to them |
| 22:47.42 | fbi | mu gu gai pan |
| 22:47.43 | findmel | in the 80-90's |
| 22:47.45 | whitehorse1 | ncp: oh sorry wait. he replied back saying no i won't |
| 22:47.50 | amorphix | hehe |
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| 22:49.00 | Squarepants | how do i enable ppp in a freshly installed sarge? |
| 22:49.24 | bob2 | sudo pppconfig |
| 22:49.27 | bob2 | sudo pon |
| 22:50.08 | deadcat | hmm. everyone's rebooting to 2.6.14 and NONE of them are back yet. |
| 22:50.16 | bob2 | lenovo is some big chinese electronic company |
| 22:50.25 | bob2 | who has actually been making thinkpads for ibm for years |
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| 22:50.47 | Squarepants | bob2> pppconfig only sets up a connection |
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| 22:51.12 | bob2 | Squarepants: indeed, then pon dials up |
| 22:51.53 | ncp | whitehorse1: thanks anyway :) |
| 22:51.53 | thingfish | I used to work for Gateway. They told us back then that there were actually only a few Taiwanese and Korean laptop makers, and all the other so-called OEM's just bought from them and resold them rebranded. |
| 22:52.03 | Squarepants | all i want is to make kernel support ppp |
| 22:52.20 | Squarepants | dmesg doesn't return anything about PPP |
| 22:52.27 | findmel | hmm, i thought all kernels' supported ppp |
| 22:52.31 | findmel | maybe not the modem |
| 22:52.37 | Squarepants | i dont know if i did something wrong during installation or if i have to install something more |
| 22:52.40 | bob2 | Squarepants: the kernel already supports ppp |
| 22:52.41 | Squarepants | oh |
| 22:53.15 | findmel | it could be the modem |
| 22:53.31 | findmel | check whether it is a winmodem or if it is supported |
| 22:53.45 | findmel | find a driver and you are all set |
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| 22:54.11 | havoc^deb | having a strange problem i think: my ethernet connection does not get a ipv4 network address after reboot :( only ipv6 . |
| 22:54.27 | Squarepants | its not a winmodem |
| 22:54.28 | jdhutchin1 | havoc^deb, talk to your dhcp server |
| 22:54.43 | Squarepants | i connected fine with knoppix, mepis etc |
| 22:54.59 | bob2 | havoc^deb: uh, so configure it to use dhcp |
| 22:55.09 | bob2 | Squarepants: if it's not a winmodem, what I said will work |
| 22:55.09 | Squarepants | is supposed dmesg to return anything about PPP? |
| 22:55.23 | havoc^deb | bob2, it is configured to use dhcp |
| 22:55.56 | havoc^deb | bob2, after i add a new network connection in the network manager it is working unti l the next reboot :( |
| 22:56.18 | bob2 | Squarepants: no |
| 22:56.22 | bob2 | Squarepants: not until you connect |
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| 22:56.31 | bob2 | havoc^deb: as in the gnome networkmanager applet? |
| 22:56.51 | havoc^deb | bob2, yes exactly |
| 22:56.53 | whitehorse1 | thingfish: Ditto re Compaq. Another organisation made their stuff |
| 22:56.56 | burton | hi, anyone has idea where to get/download iso image with kernel 2.6.14 ? or where is some howto for build iso, netinstall? |
| 22:57.15 | deadcat | burton: no. |
| 22:57.18 | stew | burton: /msg dpkg custom d-i |
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| 22:57.19 | bob2 | havoc^deb: that's the point of it |
| 22:57.35 | bob2 | havoc^deb: your connection won't work until NM runs and detects the cable |
| 22:57.54 | havoc^deb | bob2, but sometimes it works and sometimes not :( |
| 22:58.06 | hebfftijd | trying to install apache with virtualhost need a good link on debian |
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| 22:58.28 | bob2 | hebfftijd: install the apache2 package. go to httpd.apache.org. |
| 22:58.39 | hebfftijd | oke bob2 |
| 22:59.17 | [k]Chepre | i've done http://nopaste.php-q.net/168965 and i should build the package, but how? |
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| 23:01.20 | bob2 | [k]Chepre: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -uc |
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| 23:02.11 | magyar | do experimental kernels have no "framebuffer" enabled? |
| 23:02.24 | Squarepants | bob2> i am using kppp and it's not working. |
| 23:02.41 | azeem | magyar: maybe, I think I saw another mention to this end. Check the BTS. |
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| 23:03.07 | johaBBa | what is the 'debian way' to get a boot splash? |
| 23:03.16 | deadcat | johaBBa: none |
| 23:03.27 | magyar | azeem, thanks |
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| 23:04.02 | johaBBa | deadcat, i see |
| 23:04.09 | johaBBa | deadcat, can i trouble you in #splashy? |
| 23:04.10 | magyar | johaBBa, just like any other distro |
| 23:04.19 | deadcat | johaBBa: no. just install it. |
| 23:04.27 | johaBBa | kay... |
| 23:04.29 | deadcat | SimonRaven: hows 2.6.14? |
| 23:04.47 | SimonRaven | behaving |
| 23:04.52 | concept10 | what is the non-free repo for sarge? |
| 23:04.57 | bob2 | Squarepants: uh, so don't use kppp |
| 23:05.00 | bob2 | Squarepants: do what I said |
| 23:05.01 | magyar | deadcat, i use it and it is solid |
| 23:05.04 | deadcat | SimonRaven: i had trouble getting pass the ext3 stuff. it just waits and dont do shit |
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| 23:05.16 | johaBBa | magyar, hrm...it's supported in suse, redhat, fedora, centos...... |
| 23:05.24 | bob2 | concept10: what do you mean? it's in the same place it has been since 2000 |
| 23:05.31 | deadcat | johaBBa: those are pussy distros |
| 23:05.31 | magyar | deadcat, they fixed the ahci module and also the ITE PATA interfaces are working |
| 23:05.37 | johaBBa | right..... |
| 23:05.53 | magyar | johaBBa, it is also supported in debian |
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| 23:05.56 | concept10 | bob2, I mean what do I add to my sources.list |
| 23:06.11 | magyar | johaBBa, but you would know that, right |
| 23:06.14 | magyar | ? |
| 23:06.15 | johaBBa | magyar, ok. what is the the supported method? |
| 23:06.21 | bob2 | concept10: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 23:06.34 | magyar | johaBBa, man grub |
| 23:06.35 | deadcat | magyar: ? i just downloaded 2.6.14 and compiled it this morning. |
| 23:06.38 | bob2 | huh? |
| 23:06.38 | linux_addict_ | guys, my Alsa is surely installed... xmms use Alsa .. but when using "mplayer -ao alsa" , no sound comes |
| 23:06.44 | bob2 | 'supported in debian'? |
| 23:06.46 | johaBBa | magyar, that's not bootsplash... |
| 23:06.49 | bob2 | linux_addict_: /msg dpkg dmix |
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| 23:06.55 | magyar | deadcat, i got it striaght from "experimental" |
| 23:07.00 | johaBBa | magyar, that a background .xpm |
| 23:07.10 | deadcat | magyar: oh... |
| 23:07.22 | magyar | johaBBa, whats the diff? |
| 23:07.31 | deadcat | i get /dev/fuse not found. what up? i have the module loaded. |
| 23:07.45 | bob2 | udev? |
| 23:07.59 | linux_addict_ | bob2, it even not work if it is the only app to use the sound card |
| 23:07.59 | deadcat | the xpm is for grub. he wants bootsplash or splashy. |
| 23:08.02 | johaBBa | magyar, animated progress bar and high quality jpeg over top of the boot messages. |
| 23:08.14 | bob2 | linux_addict_: perhaps alsa09 then |
| 23:08.24 | johaBBa | magyar, that's bootsplash....a background in grub i can do with gimp. |
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| 23:08.43 | deadcat | thats grub splash |
| 23:08.56 | deadcat | johaBBa: why cant you just install splashy? |
| 23:09.01 | linux_addict_ | bob2, doesn work too , the strange thing that "mplayer -ao oss" works |
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| 23:09.37 | johaBBa | deadcat, i am...but with usplash, fbsplash, and splashy....i was just wonder which one was the 'debian way' |
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| 23:09.43 | magyar | johaBBa, never seen one, all i have is a .xpm |
| 23:09.50 | bob2 | none of them are in Debian |
| 23:09.59 | deadcat | johaBBa: none. but splashy WILL go into unstable in the future |
| 23:10.00 | johaBBa | deadcat, please don't beat me. just wonder if/what is the debian way is all |
| 23:10.10 | azeem | johaBBa: there is none |
| 23:10.10 | johaBBa | deadcat, cool...apt-getting now :) |
| 23:10.12 | azeem | so far |
| 23:10.45 | deadcat | johaBBa: usplash is ubuntu, fbsplash is more gentoo. splashy is debian and debian based. |
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| 23:11.14 | SimonRaven | deadcat: so far so good. both ppc and x86 machines. bit iffy at first on the ppc, but i played with some sysctl tcp settings, but now it seems to have stabilised |
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| 23:11.53 | deadcat | SimonRaven: can you compile linux-wlan-ng with the kernel? cant get that to work |
| 23:12.22 | magyar | oh i got it "splashy" that anoying thing that bloks the boot process |
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| 23:12.38 | johaBBa | magyar, not blocks...beautifies :) |
| 23:12.43 | E-bola | Are anybody here familiar with the rescan-scsi.sh script? |
| 23:12.47 | E-bola | to find firewire devices? |
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| 23:13.11 | E-bola | after upgrading to 2.6 kernel it seems it falsely finds 14 devices, basically it cant see where the devices actualy are |
| 23:13.13 | magyar | johaBBa, yeah right,.........no thanks |
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| 23:13.42 | SimonRaven | johaBBa: how often do you um, what's it called again, reboot? |
| 23:13.49 | johaBBa | SimonRaven, it's a laptop |
| 23:13.51 | johaBBa | often |
| 23:14.01 | SimonRaven | your point? ;p |
| 23:14.02 | deadcat | johaBBa: sleep the mofo |
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| 23:14.05 | johaBBa | no |
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| 23:14.08 | johaBBa | sleep is evil |
| 23:14.13 | magyar | just to see the "splashy" |
| 23:14.14 | magyar | :) |
| 23:14.17 | johaBBa | yes :D |
| 23:14.17 | deadcat | evil == you cant get it to work? |
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| 23:14.40 | deadcat | johaBBa: get a mac. its sleeping right now (= |
| 23:14.42 | bob2 | E-bola: what does "falsely finds 14 devices" mean? |
| 23:14.48 | magyar | deadcat, LOL |
| 23:14.49 | johaBBa | deadcat, eww. man |
| 23:15.15 | johaBBa | i just don't see the benefit of putting it to sleep. why not just turn it off |
| 23:15.18 | l1nux | :P |
| 23:15.27 | johaBBa | save battery |
| 23:15.47 | bob2 | so you don't loose state |
| 23:15.53 | deadcat | johaBBa: because you want it to wake up right away.. instead of waiting. |
| 23:15.54 | bob2 | I hate restarting programs |
| 23:15.58 | bob2 | reopening files in emacs |
| 23:15.59 | l1nux | gnome-menu-editor debian package ? |
| 23:16.05 | bob2 | reloading terminals |
| 23:16.07 | bob2 | etc |
| 23:16.14 | bob2 | l1nux: packages.debian.org |
| 23:16.19 | johaBBa | bob2, xfce4 + save session = same thing |
| 23:16.23 | nvz | pedro420: what up? |
| 23:16.24 | E-bola | bob2: that t reports that the same device is on all 14 channels |
| 23:16.31 | bob2 | johaBBa: nope |
| 23:16.41 | bob2 | E-bola: what does? |
| 23:16.48 | E-bola | the rescan-scsi.sh script |
| 23:16.53 | deadcat | johaBBa: what laptop you have? |
| 23:16.55 | johaBBa | just dont' like/trust saving to ram |
| 23:16.57 | concept10 | is this correct for non free: deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/ stable main non-free contrib |
| 23:17.00 | bob2 | johaBBa: that doesnt reopen files to where I was editing, and does not reopen firefox with all 5000 tabs |
| 23:17.00 | johaBBa | deadcat, dell i8500 |
| 23:17.02 | E-bola | maybe its not needed anymore, it used to be necesary to get linux to find firewire devices |
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| 23:17.10 | bob2 | concept10: if it works for main... |
| 23:17.11 | magyar | the new kernel in "experimental" has a splashy, if you have framebuffer enabled you wont see shit untill the KDE starts |
| 23:17.13 | deadcat | johaBBa: big or slim one? |
| 23:17.17 | bob2 | E-bola: doesn't hotplug do that? |
| 23:17.26 | E-bola | bob2: in theory ya |
| 23:17.27 | bob2 | dell's often have trouble with suspend to ram |
| 23:17.28 | johaBBa | deadcat, ? it's not slim, per se. |
| 23:17.32 | deadcat | hhaha |
| 23:17.36 | bob2 | because dell bioses are often broken |
| 23:17.37 | E-bola | i guess it didnt work too good in 2.4 or something |
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| 23:17.43 | thewoz | I want to be able to ftp into my /var/www folder and /usr/lib/cgi-bin folder to modify/create/delete files... what is the normal way of doing this? I have everything set up, including a user that I will ftp in with- do I change the default directory, or use symbolic links or what? |
| 23:17.50 | l1nux | bob2, not found :/ |
| 23:17.54 | E-bola | bob2: so tell me how can i see what firewire devices i have connected under linux with kernel 2.6? |
| 23:18.02 | bob2 | l1nux: then it's not in Debian |
| 23:18.05 | johaBBa | yeah, which is why i don't trust/like save to ram |
| 23:18.07 | E-bola | i can see both my fw controllers in lspci |
| 23:18.07 | bob2 | E-bola: by looking at syslog? |
| 23:18.34 | E-bola | doubt its shown there but lets see... |
| 23:18.45 | bob2 | E-bola: ? |
| 23:18.52 | E-bola | also a util would be nice since they can be unplugged after bootup etc |
| 23:18.54 | bob2 | E-bola: everytime you hotplug a firewire device it will show up |
| 23:18.56 | l1nux | bob2, any other debian package for editing "gnome menu" ? |
| 23:18.59 | johaBBa | i know the bios is borked, but overwise this laptop is sweet. especially at $1000 off the retail price :) |
| 23:19.04 | bob2 | l1nux: "gnome" |
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| 23:19.05 | E-bola | bob2: ya but thats hard to keep track off |
| 23:19.10 | bob2 | l1nux: in 2.12, anyway |
| 23:19.12 | E-bola | i would like a "live" check command |
| 23:19.23 | deadcat | johaBBa: stolen? |
| 23:19.29 | SimonRaven | thewoz: usually users are chrooted into their own accounts; have their own cgi-bin if you allow it, own web dir, etc. usually in their ~/ |
| 23:19.29 | l1nux | bob2, i have 2.12 :D |
| 23:19.33 | magyar | E-bola, or cat-ing the /proc/firewire |
| 23:19.34 | johaBBa | deadcat, no. refurbished |
| 23:19.47 | E-bola | magyar: ile try that... |
| 23:19.57 | johaBBa | deadcat, but i looked up the product code or whatever and it was only in use for 6 months on a business lease |
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| 23:20.17 | thewoz | hmm, ok- im just learning linux on a test server on my lan |
| 23:20.19 | deadcat | johaBBa: those fuckers abuse laptops. (= |
| 23:20.27 | thewoz | i don't really have any virtual machines set up |
| 23:20.39 | deadcat | SimonRaven: can you see if you can "make" this? ftp://ftp.linux-wlan.org/pub/linux-wlan-ng/linux-wlan-ng-0.2.2.tar.bz2 |
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| 23:20.48 | johaBBa | deadcat, not this one...it's pristine...no jacked up pixes. no scratches, and dd tells me the HD is all good. |
| 23:20.55 | magyar | E-bola, i think it should be under /proc/bus/input |
| 23:20.58 | johaBBa | s/pixes/pixels |
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| 23:21.06 | bob2 | johaBBa: uh, for firewire? |
| 23:21.17 | E-bola | /proc/firewire doesnt exist... |
| 23:21.22 | bob2 | johaBBa: symlinks aren't enough? |
| 23:21.32 | johaBBa | bob2, it has firewire, but i have not firewire devices. |
| 23:21.39 | E-bola | dont see anything under /proc/bus either |
| 23:21.43 | SimonRaven | thewoz: however, nowadays people use sftp and/or ssh |
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| 23:21.53 | bob2 | johaBBa: erk, wrong person, sorry |
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| 23:22.04 | [k]Chepre | thx bob2, now i got a problem with the dependencies. can you help me a bit? |
| 23:22.35 | bob2 | [k]Chepre: if you're going to ask me for help, please provide all neccessary information to begin with |
| 23:22.39 | bob2 | e.g. the error message |
| 23:22.55 | pearl | n8 |
| 23:23.01 | SimonRaven | deadcat: why don't you plop that into /usr/src/modules and run make-kpkg on it |
| 23:23.02 | amorphix | I have a Origo wifi pcmcia card but cant seem to find a driver module for it |
| 23:23.16 | amorphix | how would I find out the chipset/find out if its supported? |
| 23:23.17 | deadcat | SimonRaven: its 3rd party. |
| 23:23.22 | cfaun | I cannot seem to find information on how to submit a new package to debian. Can somebody point me in the right direction? |
| 23:23.24 | [k]Chepre | bob2: ok, sorry: http://nopaste.php-q.net/168967 |
| 23:23.30 | SimonRaven | so? :) |
| 23:23.47 | deadcat | SimonRaven: dont modules in /usr/src/modules only work if its debianized? |
| 23:23.48 | bob2 | cfaun: www.debian.org/devel, new maintainer's guide |
| 23:23.55 | amorphix | hi |
| 23:23.58 | bob2 | cfaun: first file an ITP, then find a sponsor to upload your package |
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| 23:24.05 | cfaun | bob2: thanks! |
| 23:24.10 | bob2 | cfaun: asking on the debian-mentors list is a good start if you dont know any DDs |
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| 23:24.26 | SimonRaven | deadcat: yeh, what's you're point? ;) |
| 23:24.33 | johaBBa | nice! |
| 23:24.39 | johaBBa | splash kicks booty |
| 23:24.42 | deadcat | SimonRaven: its not gonna work |
| 23:24.45 | johaBBa | s/splash/splashy |
| 23:24.52 | [k]Chepre | bob2: sorry but its a bit too cryptic for me :( |
| 23:25.14 | [k]Chepre | just trying to get a working installer-cd for my dell-server |
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| 23:25.43 | bob2 | [k]Chepre: eh? |
| 23:25.49 | bob2 | [k]Chepre: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: kernel-wedge (>= 2) linux-image-2.6.12-1-386 |
| 23:25.57 | bob2 | [k]Chepre: install kernel-wedge and linux-image... |
| 23:26.06 | [k]Chepre | already done |
| 23:26.13 | amorphix | i need to test my wireless pcmcia card |
| 23:26.13 | bob2 | no |
| 23:26.19 | Skrot | Hi. I tried adding the stuff from http://alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/asoundrc.php?company=Generic&card=Generic&chip=Generic&module=Generic under Software mixing, but that results in every sound-app I try crashing. Any clues? |
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| 23:26.34 | bob2 | [k]Chepre: install them both |
| 23:26.43 | SimonRaven | deadcat: grab another recent module, plop debian/ from it in that source tree (the wlan one), edit the files there as necessary, run the build on it |
| 23:27.05 | SoHaN | I have Windows XP installed if i Install Debian will it get the drivers from XP? |
| 23:27.14 | Guerin | SoHaN: why would it? |
| 23:27.27 | [k]Chepre | bob2: e.g. kernel-image-2.6.8-11-em64t-p4-smp if i got a em64T p4 with HT? |
| 23:27.34 | bob2 | SoHaN: no |
| 23:27.34 | deadcat | SimonRaven: well. my 2.6.14 is already built. .. man just make config and make. you dont have to install it. just let me know if make fail or not |
| 23:27.35 | johaBBa | deadcat, splashy is nice. it even picked up my custom kernel and made that boot with a splash |
| 23:27.39 | SoHaN | ah! okay :S |
| 23:27.48 | bob2 | [k]Chepre: that means you need to hack something to use that kernel |
| 23:27.55 | Guerin | SoHaN: two different OSen can't share binaries without much hassle |
| 23:27.56 | bob2 | [k]Chepre: debian/control would be a start |
| 23:28.05 | deadcat | johaBBa: cool. havent got that to work in a long time. |
| 23:28.07 | bob2 | probably debian/rules too |
| 23:28.14 | deadcat | johaBBa: they too lazy to make a ppc one |
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| 23:28.36 | [k]Chepre | bob2: omg why its sooo damn difficult to get a more up to date installer-cd :( |
| 23:28.48 | bob2 | [k]Chepre: patches welcome |
| 23:28.53 | bob2 | it doesn't sound that hard |
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| 23:29.11 | [k]Chepre | bob2: it is :( already trying it for 5 days :( |
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| 23:29.50 | [k]Chepre | ok, i installed linux-image-2.6.12-1-386 but it doesnt work :( same error |
| 23:30.02 | bob2 | dude |
| 23:30.08 | nvz | sweet |
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| 23:30.17 | deadcat | hahah |
| 23:30.17 | shwag | where is the file that manages my repositories ? |
| 23:30.19 | nvz | heh |
| 23:30.27 | marstewel | does anybody have a comparison table with ipchains and iptables? :) |
| 23:30.28 | deadcat | shwag: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:30.30 | Guerin | shwag: man sources.list |
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| 23:30.44 | bob2 | marstewel: ipchains is dead and buried |
| 23:30.58 | marstewel | bob2: I require both ;) |
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| 23:31.09 | [k]Chepre | please someone help :( |
| 23:31.14 | marstewel | bob2: I know that ipchains is 2.2.x and iptables: 2.4.x+ |
| 23:31.21 | magyar | marstewel, get a showel |
| 23:31.25 | bob2 | [k]Chepre: stop it |
| 23:31.29 | bob2 | [k]Chepre: run buildpackage again |
| 23:31.39 | Roey | hey bob2 |
| 23:31.41 | Roey | long time no see |
| 23:31.50 | marstewel | bob2: I dont have a prob with iptables rules ;) |
| 23:32.01 | bob2 | hey. |
| 23:32.16 | bob2 | marstewel: you're really using 2.2-based firewalls? |
| 23:32.32 | marstewel | bob2: not using |
| 23:32.33 | johaBBa | deadcat, bob2, later. thanks for the input. |
| 23:32.39 | [k]Chepre | bob2: i already run buildpackage again but i got the same error after installing kernel-image-2.6.12.6-386 |
| 23:32.45 | marstewel | bob2: but I have to known both syntaxes for something |
| 23:32.51 | bob2 | [k]Chepre: show us the output |
| 23:32.57 | [k]Chepre | http://nopaste.php-q.net/168967 |
| 23:33.05 | bob2 | [k]Chepre: and the output of "dpkg -l linux-image-2.6.12-1-386 | tail -n1" |
| 23:33.05 | marstewel | iptables / ipchains comparision would therefore be perfect since I know iptables :) |
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| 23:33.26 | [k]Chepre | No packages found matching linux-image-2.6.12-1-386. ... omg?! |
| 23:33.31 | SimonRaven | ipt kicks ipchains' butt across the field |
| 23:33.40 | bob2 | [k]Chepre: so, install it |
| 23:33.50 | SimonRaven | i am tolf pf kick iptables' butt |
| 23:33.50 | magyar | SimonRaven, and pf kick netfilter |
| 23:33.52 | SimonRaven | told* |
| 23:34.12 | bob2 | [k]Chepre: you also haven't installed kernel-wedge |
| 23:34.39 | [k]Chepre | i did |
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| 23:34.50 | bob2 | no, you didn't |
| 23:34.58 | bob2 | dpkg -l kernel-wedge | tail -n1 |
| 23:34.59 | dpkg | tail -n1 2.8-4 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 23:35.07 | [k]Chepre | http://nopaste.php-q.net/168970 it looks like |
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| 23:35.46 | bob2 | kernel-image-2.6.12.6-386 is not the package it asked for |
| 23:36.24 | SimonRaven | deadcat: i would, but i'm backlogged as it is |
| 23:36.33 | [k]Chepre | bob2: but there is no linux-image-2.6.12-1-386 |
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| 23:37.21 | SimonRaven | deadcat: ask in #debianppc, there's a few awake people in there now |
| 23:38.09 | [k]Chepre | bob2: could you please help me. i dont know what to do and i already tried all the damn things for 5 days |
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| 23:38.22 | bob2 | in five days you could have easily done this |
| 23:38.30 | bob2 | if only by using knoppix or something and debootstrap |
| 23:38.40 | bob2 | as I said, hack the debian/control and debian/rules |
| 23:38.48 | [k]Chepre | lol, does knoppix create a install-cd for me? |
| 23:38.56 | bob2 | um, no |
| 23:39.05 | Guerin | [k]Chepre: why obsess about a cd? |
| 23:39.08 | [k]Chepre | well, thats the reason why i dont use knoppix |
| 23:39.15 | bob2 | 10:38:30 bob2 | if only by using knoppix or something and debootstrap |
| 23:39.21 | [k]Chepre | Guerin: installing many many server |
| 23:39.30 | Guerin | [k]Chepre: all on the same hardware? |
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| 23:39.54 | [k]Chepre | Guerin: yes but i cant make a "backup" of a installed system |
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| 23:40.23 | Guerin | [k]Chepre: 1. Why not?; 2) Why didn't you verify that your hardware worked with the software you want to use? |
| 23:40.23 | bob2 | [k]Chepre: have you edited debian/rules and debian/control yet? |
| 23:40.30 | bob2 | or are you willing to pay someone to do so? |
| 23:40.55 | [k]Chepre | bob2: if you would help me more i will pay you |
| 23:41.00 | bob2 | hah |
| 23:41.00 | Guerin | 3. if you're responsible for many many servers, why don't you have a competent admin? |
| 23:41.02 | bob2 | not me |
| 23:41.27 | pedro420 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.43 | bob2 | 10:40:23 bob2 | [k]Chepre: have you edited debian/rules and debian/control yet? |
| 23:42.10 | pedro420 | nvz: Did you ever see if you had beckys glasses ? |
| 23:42.20 | [k]Chepre | Guerin: 1. cause an image is to slow and i have to distribute a working installer to the users 2. well, why debian didnt verfy that their software work with a dell poweredge? 3. cause i just have to make a cd |
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| 23:42.37 | [k]Chepre | bob2: i dont know what this is so no way to edit :( |
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| 23:43.14 | bob2 | [k]Chepre: dude |
| 23:43.17 | bob2 | [k]Chepre: at least try |
| 23:43.23 | bob2 | [k]Chepre: they're files in the source tree you are sitting in |
| 23:43.27 | Guerin | [k]Chepre: 1. ok; 2. debian never claimed to be nor should be expected to be compatible with every random proprietary mix of hardware there is; 3. you didn't answer my question |
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| 23:44.34 | jimm | one of these two: can someone give me a copy of their debian standard config file for 2.6.8... OR... is there a k6 kernel image I can install? |
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| 23:44.52 | [k]Chepre | Guerin: 2. well, the testing is able to detect my hdd-controller but testing is buggy like hell 3. i did, im am NOT the admin i just try to create a working debian installer |
| 23:45.17 | [k]Chepre | bob2: well, i edited kernel-versions |
| 23:45.40 | thingfish | jimm: just get the .config from kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 23:45.45 | Guerin | !fai |
| 23:45.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, fai is Fully Automatic Installation for debian at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ or at #fai |
| 23:46.01 | jimm | thingfish: don't need that one |
| 23:46.12 | jimm | I need the one from a 2.6.8 |
| 23:46.13 | bob2 | jimm: look in /boot/ |
| 23:46.30 | jimm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:46.46 | SimonRaven | so fetch one and install it... |
| 23:46.47 | bob2 | it does if you installed 2.6.8 from Debian |
| 23:47.09 | jimm | SimonRaven/bob2: so is there one for k6? |
| 23:47.19 | bob2 | why don't you just check? |
| 23:47.25 | bob2 | apt-cache search kernel-image k6 |
| 23:47.29 | bob2 | linux-image if you're on sid |
| 23:47.31 | jimm | already did with apt-cache. |
| 23:47.35 | jimm | I'm not |
| 23:47.47 | bob2 | then you have your answer |
| 23:47.54 | bob2 | why do you want a k6-specific kernel? |
| 23:48.03 | [k]Chepre | lol, editing the whole debian/control? omg |
| 23:48.07 | arma | is there a font faq for sarge? or better, a list of font debs i might install? i think i'm missing some. |
| 23:48.14 | jimm | because I have a k6-specific processor |
| 23:48.15 | bob2 | [k]Chepre: yes, that's what I said |
| 23:48.20 | bob2 | [k]Chepre: I said to edit the entire thing |
| 23:48.22 | thingfish | arma: like which ones? |
| 23:48.29 | bob2 | [k]Chepre: not to look for mentions of the kernel-image and change them |
| 23:48.30 | Guerin | arma: apt-cache search fonts |
| 23:48.39 | [k]Chepre | bob2: the howto didnt tell to edit this file? |
| 23:48.45 | bob2 | that's awesome |
| 23:48.47 | jimm | I see k7 kernels in aptcache search, but not k6 |
| 23:48.53 | jimm | so I want to compile one |
| 23:48.56 | Guerin | jimm: use 386 |
| 23:49.25 | jimm | you're answering questions I did not ask |
| 23:49.31 | jimm | the question I asked was... |
| 23:49.32 | bob2 | the k6 ones were dropped for being useless |
| 23:49.35 | bob2 | jimm: stop it |
| 23:49.40 | bob2 | jimm: you have the config file in /boot/ |
| 23:49.41 | jimm | one of these two: can someone give me a copy of their debian standard config file for 2.6.8... OR... is there a k6 kernel image I can install? |
| 23:49.46 | bob2 | use it and base your own haha k6 kernel on it |
| 23:49.51 | jimm | THAT is the question I asked. |
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| 23:50.06 | Guerin | jimm: ok. that's a stupid question, ands the answer is no, because you already have one. |
| 23:50.07 | SimonRaven | heh, 'haha k6' |
| 23:50.13 | Guerin | and if you don't, you're not running debian. |
| 23:50.18 | jimm | I do? prove it. |
| 23:50.33 | jimm | sorry, that doesn't follow. |
| 23:50.34 | bob2 | jimm: dpkg -L kernel-image-$(uname -r) | grep boot |
| 23:50.35 | Guerin | jimm: prove you don't. |
| 23:50.43 | bob2 | come on folks |
| 23:50.44 | SimonRaven | anyway, i have boatload of stuff to do |
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| 23:51.19 | jimm | yeah, come on folks, why not answer the question I ASKED? |
| 23:51.28 | Guerin | jimm: answered. No. |
| 23:51.31 | bob2 | jimm: so, shut up |
| 23:51.39 | bob2 | jimm: and run 'dpkg -L kernel-image-$(uname -r) | grep boot' |
| 23:51.46 | bob2 | and tell us what it says |
| 23:51.50 | bob2 | (in #flood) |
| 23:51.50 | Guerin | jimm: if you don't have that file, you're not running debian and we can't help you. |
| 23:52.18 | arma | guerin: that should keep me busy for a while. thanks. |
| 23:52.40 | jimm | I ONLY want the 2.6.8 (NO OTHER VERSION) config file that is standard for debian. NOTHING ELSE> |
| 23:52.55 | bob2 | holy god |
| 23:53.06 | jimm | it's a simple request |
| 23:53.09 | jimm | it |
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| 23:53.22 | zinx | just get the .deb and extract /boot/config-2.6.8 |
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| 23:53.39 | Guerin | zinx: but the deb doesn't have that file |
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| 23:53.50 | Guerin | zinx: because he's already installed it, and yet he doesn't have it |
| 23:53.53 | zinx | Guerin: uh? why not? all the other .debs have it |
| 23:53.58 | Guerin | we're all just stupid and wrong |
| 23:54.03 | zinx | oh, i see |
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| 23:54.54 | lindi- | Guerin: at least that's the way i have always got my reference /boot/config-blahblah files |
| 23:55.20 | Guerin | lindi-: i suppose that makes you just as stupid and wrong as me, bob2 and zinx |
| 23:55.29 | Guerin | jimm: don't message me. |
| 23:55.33 | [k]Chepre | bob2: ok i changed both but i still got the same error |
| 23:55.34 | zinx | man, the entire channel is stupid |
| 23:55.47 | zinx | except for jimm. thank god he's here or we'd all be completely useless |
| 23:56.02 | jbroome | he's the savior of #debian |
| 23:56.20 | warren1 | i currently have a web/database (apache2 + php5 + mysql5) server running redhat enterprise 3... recently their up2date automatic upgrade system f'd up my system and i'm looking for alternatives... debian is high on my list, but i have concerns about stability and security.. i heard debian isn't the timeliest in upgrades... if i setup a daily cron for apt-get update && apt-get install, would that be an issue? |
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| 23:56.33 | warren1 | also, i don't see mysql5 packages.. how would i go about installing that? |
| 23:56.48 | Guerin | warren1: read about the debian release system |
| 23:56.57 | raffy_steel | hello ppl |
| 23:57.01 | [k]Chepre | warren1: debian is very "out-of-date" |
| 23:57.03 | raffy_steel | i'm new here |
| 23:57.04 | [k]Chepre | bob2? |
| 23:57.14 | bob2 | [k]Chepre: oh, stop it |
| 23:57.19 | [k]Chepre | what? |
| 23:57.22 | Guerin | and don't listen to [k]Chepre, who got burned by a bad hardware choice |
| 23:57.27 | Guerin | !releases |
| 23:57.27 | dpkg | methinks releases is see http://debian.org/releases/, or an explanation of the different levels of Debian releases. |
| 23:57.28 | dondelelcaro | warren1: stability and security are the primary reasons to run Debian. |
| 23:57.50 | [k]Chepre | lol, dell poweredge is bad hardware only cause debian dont have drivers for the hdd-controller? |
| 23:57.55 | dondelelcaro | warren1: the stable release has security updates made throughout it's lifetime. |
| 23:57.56 | gravity | (and technical correctness) |
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| 23:58.11 | Guerin | warren1: long story short, stable is stable, and secure, and it doesn't change - much like rhel. It doesn't have mysql5, though, so you'd need to backport that yourself or move back to 4. |
| 23:58.15 | bob2 | mysql 5.0 was released 6 days again |
| 23:58.24 | bob2 | [k]Chepre: stop bloody whinging |
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| 23:58.41 | dondelelcaro | [k]Chepre: so build a kernel that supports your controller; it's not that difficult. |
| 23:58.50 | dmesg | [k]Chepre: it isn't issue of debian itself, it's kernel issue, so stop whining about debian |
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| 23:58.51 | Guerin | [k]Chepre: no, dell is bad hardware for a number of reasons. It was a bad hardware nchoice for debian stable, because debian stable doesn't support it. |
| 23:58.52 | bob2 | and is already in ubuntu |
| 23:58.56 | bob2 | er, debian |
| 23:58.59 | [k]Chepre | dondelelcaro: im already trying but it doesnt work. got a good howto? |
| 23:59.04 | bob2 | warren1: it's in testing and unstable |
| 23:59.13 | dondelelcaro | [k]Chepre: search google for the kernel compilation howto on tldp. |
| 23:59.17 | bob2 | warren1: it won't be instable since it didn't exist as released software when stable released |
| 23:59.22 | dondelelcaro | [k]Chepre: then /msg dpkg kp; /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 23:59.25 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: [k]Chepre is trying to make a new d-i image |
| 23:59.26 | Guerin | [k]Chepre: debian stable's kernel has been a known quantity for ~8 months. If you didn't check, it's your own stupid fault. |
| 23:59.28 | [k]Chepre | dondelelcaro: lol, already searched why you think im here? |
| 23:59.36 | dondelelcaro | bob2: hahaha |
| 23:59.40 | bob2 | and is not actually listening to advice |
| 23:59.42 | warren1 | bob2: so i can't install mysql5 via apt-get? |
| 23:59.44 | Kovecses | i find that using a newer kernel sovles alot of hardware issues |
| 23:59.48 | bob2 | warren1: sure you can |
