| 00:00.07 | *** mode/#debian [+l 690] by debhelper |
| 00:00.13 | dondelelcaro | [k]Chepre: boot off of something that can boot your hardware and use debootstrap to install. |
| 00:00.18 | [k]Chepre | [00:40:27] <bob2> [k]Chepre: have you edited debian/rules and debian/control yet? |
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| 00:00.23 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: already been there too :) |
| 00:00.29 | [k]Chepre | YES but same error like before editing |
| 00:00.36 | bob2 | omg lolz |
| 00:00.43 | Guerin | !alot |
| 00:00.43 | dpkg | Yeah, I'd like to allot a lot of time for the slow killing of dumb motherfuckers who think alot is a word. |
| 00:00.45 | [k]Chepre | dondelelcaro: try reading |
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| 00:00.55 | warren1 | bob2: what about security updates? if there's remote vulnerabilities in debian, i wouldn't want a fix to take a month to come out..... |
| 00:00.56 | dondelelcaro | right... enough of that. |
| 00:01.06 | bob2 | warren1: eh? |
| 00:01.08 | Guerin | warren1: read the release page. |
| 00:01.16 | warren1 | release page? |
| 00:01.17 | Guerin | warren1: and security.debian.org |
| 00:01.17 | bob2 | I don't know if you're trolling or just very confused |
| 00:01.25 | Guerin | warren1: that i pointed you to above |
| 00:01.30 | Guerin | !releases |
| 00:01.30 | dpkg | hmm... releases is see http://debian.org/releases/, or an explanation of the different levels of Debian releases. |
| 00:01.32 | dondelelcaro | warren1: they generally come out rather rapidly... often within days of the CAN release. |
| 00:01.33 | Guerin | that one ^ |
| 00:01.40 | jbroome | why read the pages with the answer? conjecture and FUD are much better |
| 00:01.42 | nvz | its sunday, people wouldnt troll in here |
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| 00:01.54 | bob2 | warren1: if you're usint stable, you need to compile it yourself, perhaps from the Debian source package |
| 00:01.59 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:02.09 | Guerin | nvz: they certainly weren't trolling on saturday. not at all. |
| 00:02.10 | thingfish | right, not after going to church and all. |
| 00:02.15 | dmesg | warren1: |
| 00:02.18 | dmesg | oops :) |
| 00:02.23 | warren1 | bob2: i'm not trolling... i'm really pissed cause redhat basically f'd me over and my site has been down all day..... i need to get my site back up and my server company offers freebsd, redhat enterprise 3/4, and debian... |
| 00:02.35 | warren1 | and i'm trying to make a decision as to what OS i want reloaded |
| 00:02.39 | warren1 | i use ubuntu right now and i love it |
| 00:02.46 | bob2 | warren1: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 00:02.47 | warren1 | and it's based on debian, so i'm really leaning towards debian |
| 00:02.54 | bob2 | warren1: that's basically your answer |
| 00:03.10 | bob2 | warren1: tho that will require you to handle security yourself (ie rebuild it when security updates get released) |
| 00:03.10 | Guerin | backports.org probably has mysql5 |
| 00:03.30 | Kovecses | !mysql5 |
| 00:03.40 | warren1 | so sarge will never have support for mysql5 ? |
| 00:03.43 | bob2 | it seems to be down |
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| 00:03.51 | bob2 | warren1: sarge released 5 months before mysql 5.0 did |
| 00:03.55 | Guerin | warren1: sarge will never have any software which isn't in it NOW |
| 00:03.58 | bob2 | warren1: so, yes, it doesn't include it |
| 00:04.00 | Gnea | warren1: it could be backported |
| 00:04.05 | dondelelcaro | warren1: the stable release never adds new packages, the only changes made are for security fixes. |
| 00:04.16 | Kovecses | let me check backports |
| 00:04.24 | warren1 | when's the next stable release? |
| 00:04.30 | warren1 | months away? |
| 00:04.33 | bob2 | yes |
| 00:04.39 | bob2 | (more) |
| 00:04.39 | azeem | backports hasn't opened for sarge yet, I think |
| 00:04.40 | Gnea | warren1: when it's ready. |
| 00:05.12 | Kovecses | mysql5 i couldnt find in backports |
| 00:05.12 | dondelelcaro | warren1: it probably won't happen until sometime in 2006; regardless, it's trivial to backport mysql5 if you need it now. |
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| 00:05.53 | dondelelcaro | warren1: http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=mysql&submit=&arch%5B%5D=i386&arch%5B%5D=all FE |
| 00:06.01 | dondelelcaro | (the first link has it already backported...) |
| 00:06.33 | Kovecses | nice dondelelcaro |
| 00:06.41 | dondelelcaro | although, that may not actually be the Debian package... dunno. |
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| 00:07.13 | gravity | azeem: backports.org? The X.org one has been on there for a while now... |
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| 00:07.37 | Kovecses | dondelelcaro, it says they are sarge packages |
| 00:07.57 | azeem | gravity: thought it was in pending/ or something |
| 00:08.02 | dondelelcaro | Kovecses: they're built for sarge, yes; I just don't know if that's the mysql maintainer's package, or someone elses. |
| 00:08.08 | azeem | gravity: coolies then |
| 00:08.09 | Kovecses | ahh |
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| 00:08.36 | Kovecses | dondelelcaro, my guess is somebody else's |
| 00:08.47 | gravity | azeem: There may not be anything else on there yet though, I don't know. nobse was really itching to get the xorg stuff in :-) |
| 00:09.03 | azeem | I can imagine, that's great |
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| 00:09.29 | Kovecses | ice never actually used the stable branch of debian |
| 00:09.37 | Kovecses | always testing for me] |
| 00:10.05 | lindi- | i tend to use oldstable and backport things a lot :) |
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| 00:10.26 | Guerin | i use all three for different purposes |
| 00:10.35 | Guerin | though i currently don't have any testing machines |
| 00:11.02 | bob2 | ugh, I should not itp things before coffee |
| 00:11.08 | gravity | hahahaha |
| 00:11.12 | gravity | What's this one? |
| 00:11.33 | bob2 | gnome menu editor, since gnome 2.10 neglected to include that ability |
| 00:11.37 | dondelelcaro | eh, just missing X-Debbugs-Cc: isn't that big of a crime... |
| 00:11.38 | gravity | Oh fun |
| 00:11.42 | bob2 | first I forgot x-debbugs-cc |
| 00:11.49 | bob2 | then I realised I forgot to include ITP in the title |
| 00:12.14 | dondelelcaro | but at least you filled everything else out... |
| 00:12.21 | bob2 | yeah |
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| 00:12.33 | bob2 | the number of people who itp things without even finding out the license is scary |
| 00:12.41 | gravity | You mean that's important? |
| 00:13.02 | dondelelcaro | what's worse are the sheer number of packages who have assumed that the COPYRIGHT file distributed with the package is actually correct... |
| 00:13.02 | bob2 | gravity: totally, look at all the X license bugs ;p |
| 00:13.28 | gravity | Don't remind me |
| 00:15.30 | loke_ | im working on an amd 64 box, and it seems there is no package for read-edid in apt? |
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| 00:16.26 | Gnea | !amd64 |
| 00:16.26 | dpkg | hmm... amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
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| 00:17.15 | loke_ | gnea with a amd64 chip i should use debian/i386? |
| 00:17.43 | bob2 | read-edid is i386 specific, iirc |
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| 00:17.48 | bob2 | I think it uses 16-bit code |
| 00:17.57 | Gnea | loke_: is that what all the webpages said? |
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| 00:18.28 | loke_ | gnea, wtf, what webpages!?!?!?!?! |
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| 00:19.07 | BlackEnt | hello |
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| 00:19.09 | Gnea | !amd64 |
| 00:19.10 | dpkg | amd64 is probably See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 00:19.27 | Gnea | am i illiterate? |
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| 00:19.35 | loke_ | dude, |
| 00:19.37 | Guerin | Gnea: usually, but not this time |
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| 00:19.40 | loke_ | the CPU is amd64 |
| 00:19.42 | Gnea | Guerin: heh. |
| 00:19.47 | Gnea | loke_: yeah, so? |
| 00:19.49 | loke_ | who the fuck is gonna install i386 on it? |
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| 00:19.53 | BlackEnt | I just shutdown my debian system while it was setting up packages, is there a way I can safely resume this process? |
| 00:20.03 | Gnea | you obviously don't know a thing about it |
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| 00:20.26 | Gnea | loke_: again, read the websites that dpkg produced. |
| 00:20.36 | Guerin | BlackEnt: if you shut it down, just start the setting up again |
| 00:20.53 | Guerin | BlackEnt: if you powered it off there might be lossage |
| 00:20.53 | nextime | ther's no imagerotate() in php4-gd2 on sarge? |
| 00:20.53 | loke_ | gnea im apt'n links2 to surf |
| 00:20.55 | BlackEnt | Hey I install i386 on i686, I don't see a difference, becuase I had to compilemy gentoo system using 686 |
| 00:21.08 | Gnea | loke_: any 64bit CPU, today, has a 32bit layer by default, since the software itself has not fully caught up |
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| 00:21.25 | Gnea | loke_: so yes, you can install anything you want on a 64bit cpu and it will "just work" |
| 00:21.30 | BlackEnt | Guerin: well it was, installing the desktop system, and it was a good amountthrough the packages |
| 00:21.42 | Gnea | loke_: but the 64-bit portions of the CPU will not be utilized. |
| 00:21.46 | loke_ | gnea, so its best to just no utilize my cpu |
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| 00:21.51 | amorphix | I have a Origo wifi pcmcia card but cant seem to find a driver module for it |
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| 00:21.56 | gozz | i used alien -d to convert vmware to a deb then i used dpkg -i to install it but now how do i find it or start it? |
| 00:21.56 | amorphix | how would I find out the chipset/find out if its supported? |
| 00:22.00 | XPSlammer | boo. |
| 00:22.03 | loke_ | gnea, so its best to just not utilize my cpu |
| 00:22.09 | Gnea | loke_: it depends what you want to do with it - there are many programs that do not yet support 64bit |
| 00:22.17 | Gnea | !repeat |
| 00:22.17 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 00:22.19 | amorphix | can i probe it? |
| 00:22.29 | loke_ | !beer gnea |
| 00:22.34 | loke_ | chill gnea |
| 00:22.40 | BlackEnt | Uh so i just redo 'tasksel' and choose desktop system? |
| 00:22.44 | Gnea | beer would be good |
| 00:22.47 | Gnea | and i am already chilled. |
| 00:22.50 | Gnea | you chill. |
| 00:22.56 | loke_ | lol |
| 00:22.59 | Gnea | :) |
| 00:23.04 | XPSlammer | damn debian and it's inclusion policy. debian (official) utterly utterly sucks when it comes to doing dvd munging. :) |
| 00:23.16 | Guerin | erk, cold guinness |
| 00:23.25 | loke_ | xpslammer yep |
| 00:23.35 | Guerin | XPSlammer: damn those software patents and that dmca |
| 00:23.39 | XPSlammer | yeah |
| 00:23.43 | BlackEnt | I hate DCMA |
| 00:23.47 | BlackEnt | and TCPA |
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| 00:23.50 | loke_ | lol |
| 00:23.52 | Guerin | BlackEnt: DMCA hates you |
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| 00:24.00 | BlackEnt | I know |
| 00:24.03 | XPSlammer | I want to do what appears to be the world's easiest thing. you would not beleive what I've been through |
| 00:24.07 | amorphix | do the YMCA have wifi internet now |
| 00:24.29 | warren1 | so sarge doesn't have stable support for php5 either |
| 00:24.39 | XPSlammer | i have a huge pile of DVDs of various tv series. I have a dreambox. I have a large amount of diskspace. |
| 00:24.42 | loke_ | xpslammer use dvddecryptor |
| 00:24.43 | Guerin | warren1: sarge is stable. We've explained this all to you. |
| 00:24.47 | BlackEnt | Ok, so there's no apt-get resume or anything/ |
| 00:24.49 | warren1 | yes |
| 00:24.59 | Guerin | BlackEnt: apt-get resumes automaticcally |
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| 00:25.02 | XPSlammer | loke_: which won't let you extract more than one PGC at a time. so is useless for batch processing. |
| 00:25.13 | gozz | can anyone help? i have looked in usr/share and /etc but i cant find where it went |
| 00:25.14 | warren1 | but sarge doesn't have support for php5 through apt-get... i'd have to download a backport |
| 00:25.20 | BlackEnt | so just type apt-get? or just apt-get something small like bitchx? |
| 00:25.30 | Guerin | gozz: define 'it' |
| 00:25.30 | BlackEnt | or |
| 00:25.38 | Guerin | BlackEnt: apt-get -f install; |
| 00:25.39 | gozz | i used alien -d to convert vmware to a deb then i used dpkg -i to install it but now how do i find it or start it? |
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| 00:25.46 | BlackEnt | ok |
| 00:25.48 | BlackEnt | brb |
| 00:26.04 | Guerin | gozz: dpkg -L vmware-whatever |grep bin |
| 00:26.16 | InstallGrub | someone help me, i installed debian sarge version. it seem to detected both of my network interface, but now since i installed, my eth1 disapear. i onlly have 1 interface. |
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| 00:26.44 | amorphix | linux users are like modern day Bohemians |
| 00:26.48 | XPSlammer | loke_: I've been through about 22 commercial dvd manipulation applications. not one single one will let you extract just the episode PGCs from a DVD in a "batch" way |
| 00:26.57 | Gnea | InstallGrub: load the right module for it |
| 00:27.04 | Guerin | InstallGrub: man interfaces, also make sure the module is loaded |
| 00:27.13 | InstallGrub | im not sure what module i neeed to load |
| 00:27.23 | Gnea | then type lspci |
| 00:27.24 | Guerin | InstallGrub: what network card is it? |
| 00:27.25 | InstallGrub | (Gnea): can i pm u i have few question to ask :) |
| 00:27.33 | Gnea | InstallGrub: no, ask them here. |
| 00:27.41 | InstallGrub | ok :) thanks a lot tho :D |
| 00:27.42 | gozz | said no packages found |
| 00:27.53 | XPSlammer | loke_: I've wound up writing a bit of perl glue around lsdvd, mplayer and mencoder to do what I want. |
| 00:27.55 | Gnea | just ask the questions already |
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| 00:28.26 | InstallGrub | gnea = how can i load the module, since i dont have the module name, modprobe -i ? |
| 00:28.38 | amorphix | ask and ye shall know that which is knowable |
| 00:28.43 | Gnea | InstallGrub: did you type lspci like i said? |
| 00:28.45 | InstallGrub | one of them is a realteak and the other one is VIA technologies |
| 00:28.46 | Guerin | gozz: what exactly did you type? |
| 00:28.47 | azzazus | how do i install Oo.org2 to debian? |
| 00:28.56 | InstallGrub | it detected 2 of my ethernet card yeah |
| 00:29.04 | XPSlammer | amorphix: what is the secret of room termperature fusion and room temperature superconductivity? |
| 00:29.05 | gozz | dpkg -l vmware-workstation-4.0.5_6030-2_all.deb | grep bin |
| 00:29.06 | dpkg | grep bin |
| 00:29.21 | Gnea | InstallGrub: yeah that's nice, but cat /etc/modules |
| 00:29.24 | Guerin | azzazus: oo.o2 is in unstable; if you want it on stable or testing you'll need to wait, or use the binaries from the oo.o site |
| 00:29.26 | Gnea | are they not there? |
| 00:29.35 | amorphix | XPSlammer: the question doesnt make any sense |
| 00:29.52 | XPSlammer | amorphix: oh? |
| 00:29.58 | azzazus | Guerin: their binaries are rpm |
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| 00:30.16 | InstallGrub | id ont have any network card in the etc/modules |
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| 00:30.26 | InstallGrub | ide-cd ide-disk ide-enric and psmouse |
| 00:31.01 | Gnea | InstallGrub: what kernel did the system install? |
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| 00:31.06 | InstallGrub | 2.6 |
| 00:31.20 | Guerin | azzazus: convert them to .deb with alien and hope |
| 00:31.21 | InstallGrub | 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 00:31.31 | Guerin | azzazus: the best idea is to wait until it hits testing |
| 00:31.44 | Guerin | azzazus: which, if it's worth using, should be in a few weeks |
| 00:32.12 | gozz | i seen a vmware package in a apt-cache search but it states slackware will it work in debian and if not why is it there? |
| 00:32.13 | azzazus | Guerin: if i convert them to debian, in which order do i install them? |
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| 00:33.23 | Gnea | InstallGrub: try: modprobe via-rhine |
| 00:33.48 | Josean | anyone knows if SMC2835W V.2 works in debian, and if works where can i download the firmware? |
| 00:33.55 | Josean | is a wifi card |
| 00:34.04 | InstallGrub | nothing happened |
| 00:34.11 | InstallGrub | i tried ifconfig eth1 up doesnt work |
| 00:34.16 | whitehorse1 | I'm looking for a webpage I saw a little while back that had discussions & advice for setting up Alsa with a Creative Labs (Dell OEM) Live 5.1 with the EMU10K1x (x being Dell's alteration of it). It doesn't seem to have been alsa-project.org or opensource.creative.com and I can't find it again. :-( Can anyone please help? |
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| 00:34.55 | Gnea | InstallGrub: but what about dmesg |
| 00:35.00 | Gnea | InstallGrub: or ifconfig eth1 |
| 00:35.03 | Gnea | InstallGrub: or ip a |
| 00:35.12 | InstallGrub | device not found in eth1 |
| 00:35.17 | InstallGrub | seem like eth1 doestn exist |
| 00:36.17 | InstallGrub | dmesg , theres a eth0 and a tulip driver present |
| 00:36.22 | InstallGrub | and ipv6 |
| 00:36.26 | Guerin | azzazus: do them all at once |
| 00:36.36 | Gnea | but nothing about eth1? |
| 00:36.40 | InstallGrub | no |
| 00:36.42 | Guerin | azzazus: dpkg -i foo.deb bar.deb baz.deb |
| 00:36.42 | InstallGrub | :/ |
| 00:36.52 | InstallGrub | but lspci detected both eternet card |
| 00:37.04 | Gnea | lspci just tells you what's actually attached to the system |
| 00:37.15 | InstallGrub | yap ;o |
| 00:37.19 | Gnea | hence ls |
| 00:37.22 | InstallGrub | i guess it tell only PCI device :p |
| 00:37.27 | azzazus | Guerin: can i convert at once with alien i.e alien -d foo.deb bar.deb |
| 00:37.32 | Gnea | that's what i just said. |
| 00:37.35 | Guerin | azzazus: probably |
| 00:37.42 | InstallGrub | yupyup ^^ |
| 00:37.57 | Guerin | azzazus: failing that; for file in *.deb; do alient -someoptions $file; done |
| 00:38.05 | InstallGrub | any other idea gnea? |
| 00:38.37 | Gnea | yeah, lspci -v and find the ethernet card and look for the next line, should start with 'Subsystem:' what does it say? |
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| 00:39.05 | InstallGrub | d-link system inc dfe-530TX rev A |
| 00:39.14 | azzazus | Guerin: ok |
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| 00:40.02 | InstallGrub | ohhh |
| 00:40.04 | InstallGrub | Gnea.. |
| 00:40.15 | InstallGrub | the VIA technologie work.. |
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| 00:40.19 | InstallGrub | its the realtek that doesnt work |
| 00:40.26 | Gnea | oh. |
| 00:40.29 | Gnea | you didn't say that before. |
| 00:40.36 | InstallGrub | subsystem is Standard microsystems corps |
| 00:40.41 | InstallGrub | SMC EZ-card |
| 00:40.42 | InstallGrub | sorry :p |
| 00:40.52 | InstallGrub | i thought the SMC is the CIA technologies |
| 00:40.57 | InstallGrub | VIA* |
| 00:41.18 | Gnea | modprobe 8139too |
| 00:42.09 | InstallGrub | ok driver is load. actually, dmesg say:: 0139too fast ethernet driver 0.9.27 |
| 00:42.20 | InstallGrub | but still dont have eth1 |
| 00:42.40 | InstallGrub | not sure it the right driver tho :S lol |
| 00:42.50 | Gnea | modprobe -r 8139too |
| 00:43.12 | Gnea | modprobe 8139cp |
| 00:43.23 | xerophyte__ | with screen now can you scroll up ?? |
| 00:43.34 | dondelelcaro | xerophyte__: C-a ESC pageup |
| 00:43.54 | dondelelcaro | xerophyte__: q to exit; [you basically enter copy mode, and then you can navigate the scrollback buffer.] |
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| 00:44.15 | leo_ | ow |
| 00:44.33 | InstallGrub | theres a new line now: 8139cp : 10/100 PCI tehernet driver v1.2 on dmesg but still donthave eth1 |
| 00:44.34 | leo_ | preicos de um plugin pra rodar mp3 no xmms |
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| 00:44.40 | leo_ | alguem pode indicar onde pego? |
| 00:44.43 | leo_ | tocom debian |
| 00:44.50 | Gnea | InstallGrub: then it's a piece of shit. |
| 00:44.52 | astronut | i did /etc/init.d/alsasound restart and now alsa broke |
| 00:44.53 | resiak | !es |
| 00:44.53 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:45.17 | InstallGrub | lol XD |
| 00:45.27 | Gnea | InstallGrub: are you sure it's not a gigabit card? |
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| 00:45.34 | xerophyte__ | dondelelcaro, thx |
| 00:45.43 | InstallGrub | non o :p |
| 00:45.45 | InstallGrub | its a super cheap card |
| 00:45.50 | InstallGrub | i bought it for like 15 buck |
| 00:45.52 | Lilldude_ | debian clock is not 12 hour how u chnage it to that |
| 00:46.00 | InstallGrub | lol |
| 00:46.00 | Gnea | dunno what to tell ya |
| 00:46.07 | InstallGrub | :( |
| 00:46.10 | Gnea | try putting it in another pci slot maybe |
| 00:46.15 | dcvkldcvjtjke | Is there Debian specific documentation on how to get Apache2 and mod_python to play nicely (i.e. get index.py executed)? |
| 00:46.16 | resiak | Lilldude_: That's a preference of whatever clock application you are using. What clock application _are_ you using? |
| 00:46.19 | InstallGrub | yeah.. :/ i should try another slot lol |
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| 00:46.29 | Lilldude_ | lcd defalt |
| 00:46.49 | resiak | Lilldude_: In what desktop environment? Look in its configuration, anyway. |
| 00:46.52 | Lilldude_ | beeb in option did not see it |
| 00:46.59 | Lilldude_ | kde desktop |
| 00:47.16 | Lilldude_ | ben in configiration |
| 00:47.24 | resiak | #kde can probably help. |
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| 00:49.26 | Lilldude_ | il go kde |
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| 00:50.22 | BhaalWK | Anyone here know much about the dmraid package? Can it be used to create raid arrays using the raid controllers it supports? |
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| 00:55.44 | tunguru | is there a way to remount all the mounts in fstab without having to restart my computer? |
| 00:56.10 | Guerin | tunguru: yes |
| 00:56.14 | streuner | tunguru: mount -a |
| 00:56.17 | kevix | tung, 'man mount' for 'remount' |
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| 00:57.01 | Pres-Gas | Anyone have issues with vnc4server dying suddenly? |
| 00:57.24 | kevix | my debian menu disappeared from my gnome menu. any one else? hints? ideas? did update-menus. |
| 00:57.28 | tunguru | Guerin streuner kevix thanks |
| 00:57.29 | bob2 | if they had, they'd have reported them in the bts... |
| 00:57.32 | gravity | kevix: Install menu-xdm |
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| 00:58.21 | kevix | gravity to the rescue! its the law! |
| 00:58.37 | gravity | heh |
| 01:01.34 | hebfftijd | ISPconfig is it there a debianpkg for |
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| 01:02.10 | streuner | pppconfig or pppoeconfig |
| 01:02.26 | hebfftijd | for isp |
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| 01:03.40 | fallingg | hi ppl |
| 01:03.49 | fallingg | does anybody have sarge running on a sony vaio VGN-S5HXP |
| 01:03.53 | fallingg | ? |
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| 01:03.55 | streuner | debian-ISP ML would be a good start then... |
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| 01:04.36 | SoHaN | can debian modems automatically? |
| 01:04.44 | streuner | sony vaio uses bizarr hardware...., but try /msg dpkg laptop |
| 01:04.57 | bob2 | SoHaN: sudo pppconfig |
| 01:04.59 | bob2 | SoHaN: sudo pon |
| 01:05.07 | gozz | how do i find the dir of my c header files that match my kernel? |
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| 01:05.30 | streuner | gozz: dpkg -L package |
| 01:05.32 | SoHaN | that will do? |
| 01:05.33 | bob2 | gozz: apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r), look in /usr/src/ |
| 01:05.41 | SoHaN | I dont have a driver. Xp detects them automatically |
| 01:06.00 | bob2 | is it an actual modem? |
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| 01:06.02 | bob2 | or a winmodem? |
| 01:06.12 | SoHaN | Its an internal modem. :S |
| 01:06.27 | jbroome | survey says: WINMODEM! |
| 01:06.36 | bob2 | you lose, sadly |
| 01:06.40 | bob2 | www.linmodems.org |
| 01:06.43 | bob2 | or take it back for a refund |
| 01:06.44 | Guerin | losemodem |
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| 01:07.01 | SoHaN | I used it for ages :s |
| 01:07.09 | bob2 | in windows? |
| 01:07.14 | SoHaN | yes |
| 01:07.19 | bob2 | 'tis a shame |
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| 01:07.32 | SoHaN | y? :S |
| 01:07.33 | Dasnipa` | its microsofts fault |
| 01:07.34 | Guerin | modems either Just Work or Just Don't in uni |
| 01:07.36 | Guerin | x |
| 01:07.42 | dli__ | SoHaN, also check linuxant.com, for detection or even a driver |
| 01:07.45 | Dasnipa` | down with the comporate devil |
| 01:07.52 | streuner | !winmodems |
| 01:07.53 | dpkg | GPL driver and info can be found in http://www-124.ibm.com/acpmodem/ http://www.linmodems.org, or http://linux.nf/lesbell.htm or here is a black list of known to be winmodems: http://start.at/modem/ and http://www.idir.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html. See also: winmodem-trick, or a 3Com/USRobotics trademark, or see <slmodem> |
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| 01:08.26 | gozz | $(uname -r) is this root or just a user i am installing as root and it asked me for the c header files? |
| 01:08.46 | hebfftijd | does debian has a pkg ISPc |
| 01:08.51 | hebfftijd | config |
| 01:09.04 | ericw | personally, I just got broadband and make sure that every hotel I stay at does as well |
| 01:09.21 | ericw | (although my laptop actually has a hard-modem) |
| 01:09.22 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.23 | bob2 | hebfftijd: it's way easier if you tell us what you're trying to do |
| 01:09.28 | streuner | 2.6.9-1-k7 |
| 01:09.34 | hebfftijd | trying to get a |
| 01:09.40 | streuner | gozz: ^^^ |
| 01:09.40 | hebfftijd | my apache working |
| 01:10.05 | BhaalWK | Anyone here know much about the dmraid package? Can it be used to create raid arrays using the raid controllers it supports? |
| 01:10.31 | SoHaN | does scanmodem run on windows? |
| 01:10.36 | bob2 | hebfftijd: apache works out of the box |
| 01:10.47 | hebfftijd | just for the control |
| 01:10.50 | bob2 | hebfftijd: if you're trying to make it do somehting specific, you need to tewll us what |
| 01:12.11 | hebfftijd | i was following a link on apache and debian and they had a link on ISPconfig |
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| 01:12.20 | jbroome | aww, that's no fun. i wanted to keep guessing |
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| 01:14.28 | newbie_at_linux | help i am getting this error when trying to start the ssh server $ sshd |
| 01:14.28 | newbie_at_linux | sshd re-exec requires execution with an absolute path |
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| 01:14.48 | whiskers | can you use grub with sarge? i have a netinstall cd of sarge but last time i tried it, it destroyed my dual boot |
| 01:14.58 | bob2 | newbie_at_linux: uh, don't do that |
| 01:15.01 | bob2 | newbie_at_linux: it's already running |
| 01:15.05 | bob2 | whiskers: yes... |
| 01:15.09 | BlackEnt | Anyone know why I can't set framebuffer using gnome's boot utility? Is it supposed to work in Debian? |
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| 01:16.12 | ice_1963 | hay bob2 how is gnome running in sid ? |
| 01:16.19 | BlackEnt | I mean, I have had debian on over dozen installs over varying systems and it never worked even when I tried to do it manually |
| 01:16.35 | BlackEnt | Is the Debian default kernel not loaded with the right stuff? |
| 01:16.48 | BlackEnt | Oh wait it did work once... |
| 01:16.58 | BlackEnt | I t din't work on Ubuntu though |
| 01:17.12 | ice_1963 | are you installing sid ? |
| 01:17.22 | bob2 | fine |
| 01:17.28 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 01:17.55 | BlackEnt | i'm just ranting, later |
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| 01:20.15 | TypoNAM | What kernel module is required to get /dev/sda and etc... entries in /dev/? |
| 01:20.22 | magyar | does 2.6.14 containes pptp VPN passthrough for netfiler? |
| 01:21.09 | TypoNAM | I'm running a stock debian 3.0 r1a install |
| 01:21.17 | dondelelcaro | TypoNAM: scsi disk support, sd iirc. |
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| 01:21.42 | hawking | how can i open a *.tgz file? |
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| 01:21.55 | TypoNAM | I'm running debian 3.1 actually, gah |
| 01:22.02 | whiskers | use ark or file roller |
| 01:22.02 | TypoNAM | sd? |
| 01:22.16 | gozz | well i installed the kernel headers but i guess thats not what its looking for could someone help? |
| 01:22.20 | TypoNAM | hawking: tar -zxf filename.tgz |
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| 01:23.06 | gozz | this is what it says |
| 01:23.07 | bob2 | gozz: it's far simpler if you tell us your goal |
| 01:23.10 | bob2 | do nto paste in here |
| 01:23.13 | gozz | What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running |
| 01:23.13 | gozz | kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] |
| 01:23.27 | bob2 | which is wrong |
| 01:23.30 | Tortel | hawking: if you have gnome, dubble click on it and use file roller |
| 01:23.33 | bob2 | give it the correct location |
| 01:23.41 | gozz | i gave |
| 01:23.48 | cheal | hawking: a .tgz is like a .tar.gz |
| 01:24.03 | gozz | this : /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686 |
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| 01:25.30 | Tortel | wow im dizzy |
| 01:25.50 | gozz | it tells me this |
| 01:25.53 | gozz | The path "/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686" is an existing directory, but it |
| 01:25.53 | gozz | does not contain at least one of these directories "linux", "asm", "net" as |
| 01:25.54 | gozz | expected. |
| 01:26.00 | hawking | I have a file called sha256.py somewhere in my drive but I forgot the place how can i find it? |
| 01:26.13 | useruser | hawking: locate sha256.py |
| 01:26.26 | kevix | gravity, it seems I had menu-xdg and needed to purge and reinstall it. but its back! |
| 01:26.33 | gravity | Ah, cool |
| 01:26.42 | bob2 | gozz: /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686/include/ |
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| 01:26.56 | useruser | hawking: or if that doesn't work, find / -name sha256.py |
| 01:27.18 | gozz | thanks bob2 |
| 01:27.19 | hawking | thx |
| 01:27.41 | gozz | damn it |
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| 01:29.09 | kevix | hawking, i used apt-file and it doesnt know about it, so it doesnt seem like a debian file. |
| 01:29.37 | TwistedEmotions | If I wanted to copy a DVD what program would I use..? Something easy and quikc? |
| 01:29.40 | TwistedEmotions | *quikc |
| 01:29.43 | TwistedEmotions | *quick |
| 01:29.46 | whiskers | is there some wiki or howto on how to set up a dual boot with debian? |
| 01:29.46 | TwistedEmotions | !ha I win |
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| 01:30.33 | TwistedEmotions | whiskers: just pop in the CD and install... debian CD will recognize the other OS... hella easy. |
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| 01:30.47 | kevix | TwistedEmotions, 'apt-cache search dvd rip' may hold the answer. |
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| 01:30.49 | Tortel | whiskers: use grub |
| 01:31.01 | raz0rsedge | hi. |
| 01:31.09 | Mando | Hi, how are ya'll |
| 01:31.11 | whiskers | the bootloader screws up, last time i tried it mesed up my dual boot of suse |
| 01:31.17 | Gnea | halloween sucks. |
| 01:31.19 | TwistedEmotions | kevix: was hoping for a specific recommendation.. |
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| 01:31.27 | tunguru | ugh, trying to mount a nfs folder from one of my linux computers (punisher) to my other computer (phantom), getting a "mount: special device punisher:/home/samba/share does not exist" error |
| 01:31.27 | whiskers | ok how do i get grub? |
| 01:31.30 | jbroome | whiskers: messing up suse wasn't a screwuup |
| 01:31.33 | Gnea | apt-get install grub |
| 01:31.38 | whiskers | yes it was |
| 01:31.41 | tunguru | details are pasted here: http://code.bulix.org/818 |
| 01:31.45 | jbroome | TwistedEmotions: dvdrip is the program you're looking for |
| 01:31.47 | whiskers | it killed the bootloader of grub |
| 01:32.11 | Mando | ******* Nice Ripper: ImToo DVD Ripper |
| 01:32.22 | Mando | ****** I recomend that one |
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| 01:34.11 | raz0rsedge | where can i find detailed informations about getting my ati card(rad9700pro) 3d accelerated? (Xfree86). Google was not helpful that time... |
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| 01:34.20 | Gnea | tunguru: nfs+smbfs? you're asking for trouble... try it by IP address rather than hostname |
| 01:34.46 | lightbright | I get a message saying SLL version 2 is Disabled! How can I enable it please? |
| 01:34.53 | weiwei | hi |
| 01:35.03 | tunguru | Gnea, ive got some linux computers and windows computers |
| 01:35.08 | Gnea | lightbright: a message from what? |
| 01:35.24 | tunguru | Gnea: just want to share all my music and media to all the computers |
| 01:35.26 | Gnea | tunguru: then why not just setup a samba server to handle it all? |
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| 01:35.29 | lightbright | Gnea: my website server |
| 01:35.37 | abrotman | haha .. SSL .. |
| 01:35.40 | Gnea | lightbright: well that's nice |
| 01:35.42 | bob2 | h |
| 01:35.45 | lightbright | Gnea: isnt SLL version 2 enabled on Sarge? |
| 01:35.55 | Gnea | lightbright: what's SLL? |
| 01:36.08 | kevix | tunguru, how about running a streaming media server |
| 01:36.11 | tunguru | Gnea: samba works on my windows box |
| 01:36.46 | tunguru | kevix: is that something thats easy to do? or is it complicated? |
| 01:36.57 | lightbright | Gnea: you should know what SLL is |
| 01:37.00 | Gnea | tunguru: yeah and it works just fine in linux too - just smbmount the share kinda like you would nfs, but intsead of combatting protocols and filesystems, keep it all on the same level |
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| 01:37.12 | abrotman | Gnea: obviously your IQ is getting lower .. SLL .. it's so obvious |
| 01:37.15 | Guerin | lightbright: you should not make up TALs |
| 01:37.16 | Gnea | lightbright: down on your knees and suck my cock. |
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| 01:37.23 | kevix | tunguru, never done it. but google from icecast or streamcast |
| 01:37.25 | Guerin | wtf |
| 01:37.31 | Gnea | abrotman: yeah maybe |
| 01:37.34 | Guerin | !smack Gnea |
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| 01:37.47 | Mando | : What |
| 01:37.48 | lightbright | Gnea: im male you homosexual fag |
| 01:37.50 | Gnea | what's that for? |
| 01:37.52 | Mando | > What |
| 01:37.59 | lightbright | Gnea is a homosexual , YUCK |
| 01:38.00 | Guerin | !ops get Gnea and lightbright a room |
| 01:38.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: get Gnea and lightbright a room |
| 01:38.01 | abrotman | lightbright: you're a girl ... you've said so before |
| 01:38.14 | dondelelcaro | lightbright, Gnea: take it elsewhere, please. |
| 01:38.16 | Gnea | lightbright: right, and i'm straight too. you just contradicted yourself. |
| 01:38.20 | lightbright | dondelelcaro: yeah sorry |
| 01:38.21 | lightbright | brb |
| 01:38.22 | tunguru | Gnea: the weird thing is that i can manually mount it just fine, but when doing it from fstab i get bitched at |
| 01:38.28 | Gnea | fine. |
| 01:38.38 | kevix | could folks that the gender issue elsewhere. |
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| 01:38.59 | Guerin | if they could just take themselves somewhere, that would be ideal |
| 01:39.13 | zdennis | hey all, i'm looking for a knowledgeable linux networking person. I have a question on how-to correctly describe a behavior calling "listen" on a socket. Is this the correct place to be or is there a person like that in here? |
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| 01:39.22 | Gnea | oh yeah like i'm just supposed "to know" everything |
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| 01:39.31 | abrotman | Gnea: she meant SSL .. i think |
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| 01:39.56 | zdennis | SLL ? |
| 01:40.06 | kevix | secure socket layer=ssl |
| 01:40.06 | Guerin | zdennis: zackly |
| 01:40.10 | abrotman | noone does .. that's the point |
| 01:40.16 | zdennis | ssl ~= sll |
| 01:40.16 | Guerin | kevix: that's not the same as SLL though |
| 01:40.26 | zdennis | bah... ssl ! = sll |
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| 01:40.42 | zdennis | so...any networking folks in here? Or is there a better channel for such inquiries? |
| 01:40.48 | kevix | Guerin, so the they MEAN ssl or sll? |
| 01:41.03 | kevix | zdennis, if you never ask the question, you will never know! |
| 01:41.06 | abrotman | zdennis: afaik .. listening is the correct term |
| 01:41.06 | bob2 | zdennis: #c, perhaps |
| 01:41.13 | Guerin | kevix: i am unqualified to predict what such imbeciles mean; i can only go by what they say |
| 01:41.30 | lightbright | zdennis: its a secure socket layer |
| 01:41.33 | Guerin | wtf |
| 01:41.48 | kevix | Guerin, yup. never ass-ume! |
| 01:41.49 | bob2 | lightbright: you mean SSL then |
| 01:41.51 | abrotman | how does gnea get banned .. but she returns |
| 01:41.53 | lightbright | kevix: sorry for typo |
| 01:41.58 | Guerin | can we ban lightbright again? |
| 01:41.59 | bob2 | lightbright: also, stop being an ass |
| 01:42.01 | lightbright | bob2: yeah sorry for the typo |
| 01:42.01 | zdennis | When calling listen on a socket, that has not been specifically bound to a sockaddr, the socket will be bound to a new sockaddr which uses the ADDR_ANY address and an arbitrary port # handed off by the kernel. |
| 01:42.06 | lightbright | bob2: ok np |
| 01:42.13 | kevix | lightbright, typos are par for the course in irc or email. |
| 01:42.19 | lightbright | kevix: :) |
| 01:42.21 | zdennis | Is that planned? Is it a side effect? Is this expected? |
| 01:42.24 | abrotman | kevix: not repeatedly ... |
| 01:42.51 | abrotman | zdennis: yeah .. i'd ask #c |
| 01:42.54 | zdennis | lightbright, i know =) I was just joking becaue Guerin said SLL, and although I know what SSL is, I was suggesting that I had never heard of the SLL acronym in relation to SSL |
| 01:42.58 | kevix | abrotman, not everyones' first language is English. |
| 01:43.06 | abrotman | kevix: she's from australia |
| 01:43.16 | zdennis | k, will do, thx abrotman |
| 01:43.19 | kevix | abrotman, see. proves my point x-) |
| 01:43.32 | abrotman | kevix: and it's an error message .. it was shown to her .. and she still insisted that Gnea should know what SLL is |
| 01:43.43 | Guerin | abrotman: it |
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| 01:44.20 | litage | is CRAM-MD5 or DIGEST-MD5 more secure? |
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| 01:44.31 | kevix | abrotman, folks can either try to help, or ignore it. |
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| 01:44.41 | lightbright | zdennis: yeah :) |
| 01:44.57 | abrotman | kevix: or could actually quote the error message correctly to get the help they're asking for .. |
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| 01:45.01 | bob2 | litage: insisting on SSL is a simpler solution, but I think they're more or less the same |
| 01:45.12 | helix | I think you could all probably stop talking abou tit |
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| 01:45.35 | gravity | strawberry jello abou tit |
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| 01:45.43 | kevix | helix, some of us dont have tit (runs and hides) |
| 01:45.49 | litage | bob2: SSL and smtp auth are quite different |
| 01:46.00 | tunguru | how come i can open up the smb://punisher/share folder with the File Browser, but I cant "cd smb://punisher/share" to it in the command prompt? |
| 01:46.17 | helix | what the fuck |
| 01:46.24 | litage | bob2: SSL provides encrypting, where as smtp auth provides user authentication |
| 01:46.48 | Guerin | litage: if you use ssl, the method of protecting user auth credentials at smtp level is obviated |
| 01:46.55 | Guerin | litage: that's his point |
| 01:47.00 | litage | tunguru: just ``cd /punisher/share'' |
| 01:47.14 | abrotman | assuming it's been mounted |
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| 01:47.27 | litage | Guerin: i'm not trying to protect passwords with smtp auth |
| 01:47.42 | Guerin | litage: then why are you bothering to use *MD5* |
| 01:47.43 | Guerin | ? |
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| 01:47.56 | tunguru | litage: doesnt work, im not my phantom computer, and im trying to use the samba shared drive on my punisher computer |
| 01:48.04 | Guerin | litage: because that;'s its only purpose... if you're not trying to protect them, use PLAIN |
| 01:48.18 | tunguru | http://code.bulix.org/818 |
| 01:48.39 | abrotman | tunguru: you'd have to mount your smbfs |
| 01:48.53 | tunguru | litage: lets try that in english: doesnt work, im on my phantom computer, and im trying to use the samba shared drive on my punisher computer |
| 01:49.13 | litage | Guerin: because there's little to no reason to use plain rather than {digest,cram}-md5 |
| 01:49.16 | abrotman | !smbmount |
| 01:49.16 | dpkg | [smbmount] 'smbmount //HOST/SHARE PASS -c 'mount MOUNT_POINT'' |
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| 01:50.14 | Guerin | litage: you already said you're not concerned about protection the credentials, so you don't care which is more secure. just pick one at random, or give users a choice. |
| 01:50.45 | litage | Guerin: sorry, i just realized i made a mistake in what i said a minute ago. i want to use sasl to provide encryption because one might as well instead of using plain. |
| 01:50.59 | Guerin | right |
| 01:51.22 | Guerin | and bob2 said, correltly, that it's easier to enforce ssl than make sasl work with *MD5* |
| 01:51.29 | bob2 | litage: oh, I know |
| 01:51.37 | bob2 | litage: I mean, force them to authenticate over SSL |
| 01:51.50 | litage | rightio |
| 01:51.51 | tunguru | abrotman: how can i get it to auto mount every time the computer boots up? |
| 01:52.04 | bob2 | litage: so you don't have to worry about whether CRAM or DIGEST auth is secure (ie force their hashes to only go over SSL) |
| 01:52.07 | abrotman | man mount;man fstab |
| 01:52.08 | litage | Guerin: however, is there any reason to use SASL+PLAIN rather than SASL+CRAM or DIGEST? |
| 01:52.27 | bob2 | litage: one issue with digest/cram is that you have to (or at least you had to) store plaintext passwords on the server |
| 01:52.27 | InstallGrub | i cant make that ethernet card working Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8029(AS) |
| 01:52.30 | InstallGrub | someone help me out |
| 01:52.42 | bob2 | InstallGrub: sudo modprobe ne2k-pci |
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| 01:53.25 | Guerin | using PLAIN makes things a lot easier with pam and *sql, yeah |
| 01:53.34 | InstallGrub | bob2 , nothing hapepned.. lol |
| 01:53.52 | litage | Guerin: why/how does using PLAIN make things easier with *sql? |
| 01:54.57 | zdennis | i am looking for man pages for lowlevel system calls like "listen", do you know what package they'd be in? when I do a "man listen" it says o man page found |
| 01:55.13 | bob2 | litage: oh, if you haven't seen it already, http://small.dropbear.id.au/myscripts/postfixmysql.html is a very useful page for getting sasl going |
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| 01:55.28 | litage | thanks bob2 |
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| 01:56.00 | InstallGrub | i cant make that ethernet card working Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8029(AS). someone help me. my eth1 doesnt exist Xd lol |
| 01:56.21 | dvs | InstallGrub: Didnt bob2 give you a clue? |
| 01:56.27 | BhaalWK | Anyone using sid, having trouble compiling kernel with latest dist-upgrade? 'as' seems to be broke |
| 01:56.32 | dvs | Oh. It didn't work. |
| 01:56.38 | bob2 | eh? |
| 01:56.42 | InstallGrub | dvs , it doesnt work |
| 01:56.44 | bob2 | InstallGrub: uh, now run 'ifconfig -a' |
| 01:56.51 | dvs | InstallGrub: If nothing printed out then it worked. |
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| 01:57.03 | dude_ | f |
| 01:57.07 | InstallGrub | nothign appear in the dmesg |
| 01:57.18 | InstallGrub | no eth1. i use ifconfig -a , eth1 arent there |
| 01:57.20 | dvs | InstallGrub: Did anything appear on the command line? |
| 01:57.21 | Asmodee` | using postfix. when i try to send mail my SMTP server connection times out. if i do netstat on the server i can see my connection. any ideas as to what could be causing this? |
| 01:57.28 | InstallGrub | nothing appear |
| 01:57.33 | bob2 | Asmodee`: to who? |
| 01:57.47 | Asmodee` | anyone, even a local user.. i dont think it even authenticates |
| 01:57.48 | bob2 | Asmodee`: hotmail and yahoo drop connections from dsl/dialup users on the floor |
| 01:57.59 | zdennis | perhaps InstallGrub doesn't have driver support built into his kernel? Or he is not loading the correct kernel module ? |
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| 01:58.02 | bob2 | Asmodee`: uh, read your logs then, /var/log/mail.log |
| 01:58.10 | bob2 | InstallGrub: what does "uname -r" print out? |
| 01:58.22 | InstallGrub | acually, i have 2 ethernet card.. but the first one seem to work, bt not my SMC card |
| 01:58.29 | InstallGrub | eth0 work, eth1 neva appear... |
| 01:58.43 | InstallGrub | my kernel is 2.6.8-2 |
| 01:58.55 | bob2 | InstallGrub: that's not from Debian... |
| 01:59.09 | InstallGrub | nothing in var/log/mail.log |
| 01:59.16 | InstallGrub | its debian sarge |
| 01:59.20 | dvs | bob2: Isn't 2.6.8-2 sarge? |
| 01:59.24 | InstallGrub | yes it is |
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| 01:59.39 | bob2 | no |
| 01:59.45 | bob2 | 2.6.8.1-2-386 or so is |
| 01:59.57 | InstallGrub | ur not updated version -_- |
| 02:00.12 | InstallGrub | the curernt version os sarge is 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 02:00.12 | bob2 | that sentence no verb |
| 02:00.21 | InstallGrub | of* |
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| 02:00.31 | InstallGrub | i mean you dont have the updated version |
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| 02:01.41 | BhaalWK | Whats the url for the package snapshots? So I can downgrade to an older package |
| 02:02.01 | kevix | Bhaal, snapshot.debian.net |
| 02:02.08 | BhaalWK | ahhh debian.net |
| 02:02.09 | BhaalWK | right |
| 02:03.12 | InstallGrub | ;) |
| 02:03.19 | InstallGrub | well i think no one can fix my problem :( |
| 02:03.31 | InstallGrub | thats weird.. |
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| 02:03.57 | bob2 | InstallGrub: my mistake, sorry |
| 02:04.04 | bob2 | InstallGrub: perhaps your hardware is buggy |
| 02:04.13 | bob2 | try rebooting with noapic, nolapic and/or acpi=off |
| 02:04.36 | InstallGrub | what noapic does? |
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| 02:05.04 | InstallGrub | i will try it now ;p |
| 02:05.09 | bob2 | disables part of your hardware |
| 02:05.12 | kevix | InstallGrub, there are kernel command line paramters while booting |
| 02:05.21 | InstallGrub | yap i know just wonder what it does :P |
| 02:05.25 | InstallGrub | neva used it xD |
| 02:05.29 | sriman | InstallGrub, i had some probs with this card with de PLug and Play activated on "setup".. |
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| 02:05.39 | BhaalWK | kevix: Thanks, now I can compile a kernel... Seems 'as' in the latest sid binutils is b0rked |
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| 02:05.41 | InstallGrub | setup? |
| 02:05.53 | sriman | hw setup .. |
| 02:05.53 | InstallGrub | u mean the bios setup? |
| 02:05.58 | sriman | yeah |
| 02:06.00 | InstallGrub | oh ok |
| 02:06.02 | InstallGrub | les me check |
| 02:06.18 | GubbleBum | make-kpkg --append-to-version "-1-386" --revision 2.6.12-1 --config old configure |
| 02:06.21 | GubbleBum | Is that line right? |
| 02:06.22 | InstallGrub | but at the installation of debian, they detected perfecly my card thats wird lOL |
| 02:06.33 | GubbleBum | debian:/usr/src# uname -a |
| 02:06.33 | GubbleBum | Linux debian 2.6.12-1-386 #1 Tue Sep 27 12:41:08 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 02:06.42 | GubbleBum | I'm not sure if I need the -1 on the --revision option |
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| 02:06.48 | GubbleBum | Should it be on there or no? |
| 02:07.03 | InstallGrub | hmm i have plug and play disable in the bios |
| 02:07.08 | InstallGrub | i will turn it on, maybe |
| 02:07.12 | bob2 | that doesn't matter for PCI devices |
| 02:07.17 | bob2 | InstallGrub: try those kernel command line options |
| 02:07.20 | sriman | InstallGrub, same with me .. but when i tried to setup an Ip. got an error .. Don't really remember the error |
| 02:07.40 | InstallGrub | i will try the kernel line command |
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| 02:10.18 | InstallGrub | hmm icant find the command line XD |
| 02:10.25 | InstallGrub | theres grub> |
| 02:10.37 | InstallGrub | and i dont know exactly what to put in it :X |
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| 02:11.04 | kevix | InstallGrub, you can edited edit /boot/menu.lst or do it when you boot grub (e) IIRC. |
| 02:11.11 | bob2 | no |
| 02:11.12 | InstallGrub | ok :p |
| 02:11.18 | bob2 | InstallGrub: select the kernel from the list |
| 02:11.19 | bob2 | hit e |
| 02:11.22 | bob2 | edit the boot options |
| 02:11.25 | InstallGrub | ok |
| 02:11.25 | bob2 | hit enter |
| 02:11.26 | bob2 | hit b |
| 02:12.34 | GubbleBum | http://pastebin.com/411662 |
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| 02:13.04 | InstallGrub | i put noapic after the kernel /boot/vmlinuz.. blabla line? |
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| 02:13.46 | Seb | emacs users: what's the right way to take things out of /etc/emacs/start.d/ ? So that next time the corresponding package is upgraded, it doens't come back ? |
| 02:14.08 | Seb | InstallGrub: correct |
| 02:14.24 | Seb | bob2: and don't even think about telling me to use vi :> |
| 02:14.36 | Seb | bob2: or maybe I'm mistaken and you're a good guy ;) |
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| 02:14.46 | bob2 | ? |
| 02:14.47 | bob2 | I use both |
| 02:14.49 | InstallGrub | ? |
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| 02:15.05 | InstallGrub | the noapic seem to dont have any effect :P lol |
| 02:15.14 | bob2 | you'll need to try all 3 |
| 02:15.14 | kevix | GubbleBum, if you have not seem this site: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html it may help |
| 02:15.17 | bob2 | in various combinations |
| 02:15.20 | Seb | bob2: hrm must be someone else then, that curses emacs every chance he gets... |
| 02:15.22 | bob2 | also, make sure it's in /proc/cmdline |
| 02:16.19 | bob2 | changes to config files should be respected, tho |
| 02:16.25 | bob2 | and changes to config files includes reoving them |
| 02:17.08 | InstallGrub | :/ it doesnt seem to work |
| 02:17.17 | InstallGrub | at least the lspci detected the present of the card |
| 02:17.32 | Seb | bob2: good point. I didn't actually check if those were config files. I'm not sure they owuld be. |
| 02:17.36 | sriman | InstallGrub, any error ? |
| 02:17.40 | InstallGrub | no eorror |
| 02:17.41 | bob2 | InstallGrub: uh |
| 02:17.44 | dvs | InstallGrub: You could try via-rhine. Just a guess |
| 02:17.44 | InstallGrub | just doesnt show the eth1 |
| 02:17.47 | bob2 | InstallGrub: I doubt you tried all combinations of all 3 |
| 02:17.56 | bob2 | InstallGrub: also, lspci has nothing to do with it |
| 02:18.09 | bob2 | InstallGrub: all lspci is saying is "yes, this card is physically plugged into the pci bus" |
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| 02:18.18 | InstallGrub | ok |
| 02:18.32 | InstallGrub | i wil ltry all of the 3 combination |
| 02:18.36 | InstallGrub | i tried the 2 first |
| 02:18.38 | InstallGrub | sec |
| 02:18.40 | InstallGrub | still miss one |
| 02:18.56 | bob2 | do you know what "combination" means? |
| 02:19.01 | Seb | hah |
| 02:19.03 | Asmodee` | with postfix i keep getting user unknown in local recipient table.. but the user does exist.. so i suspect i have something screwed in main.cf |
| 02:19.05 | bob2 | also, you need to make sure it's in /proc/cmdline after you reboot |
| 02:19.09 | Seb | bob2: so, I heard dear mwilson is out for good ? |
| 02:19.13 | bob2 | Asmodee`: read your logs |
| 02:19.14 | Tortel | !info xodo |
| 02:19.16 | bob2 | Seb: I dont know |
| 02:19.52 | InstallGrub | u mean i try all the 3 line that utell me to add after the kernel load line |
| 02:19.58 | Seb | bob2: is what the other ops in here told me |
| 02:19.59 | bob2 | no |
| 02:20.02 | Seb | bob2: permabanned |
| 02:20.09 | bob2 | Seb: ok, I've been very busy lately |
| 02:20.10 | Asmodee` | bob2: i did read the logs, it says rejected and the reason is unknown user in recipient table |
| 02:20.23 | Seb | InstallGrub: combination of a,b,c -> a | b | c| a,b | a,c| b,c| a,b,c|... |
| 02:20.25 | mne | hi there ! I'm using sylpheed claws with gpg to sign and encrypt my email. unfortunately, since the last upgrade, sylpheed-claws fails when I try to send singned/encrypted mail: "Could not queue message for sending". sylpheed-claws --debug doesn't show the error cause ;( any hints ? |
| 02:20.41 | dvs | InstallGrub: 6 combinations in all |
| 02:20.48 | Seb | bob2: oh I see. Well, apparently him and FieldySnuts got booted for ever. |
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| 02:20.57 | bob2 | Asmodee`: put your main.xf up somewhere |
| 02:21.16 | InstallGrub | i wonder why i need to try the combination todisable the PCI boot :s what it will help ? |
| 02:21.32 | bob2 | just try it |
| 02:21.33 | kevix | dvs, 2! = 6 |
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| 02:21.43 | dvs | kevix: No, 3! = 6 |
| 02:21.46 | kevix | dvs, opps .3! = 6 |
| 02:21.58 | Tortel | How many processes does apache2 run by default? |
| 02:22.06 | mne | Tortel, 5 i thinl |
| 02:22.18 | mne | Tortel, look at your config ;) |
| 02:22.55 | Tortel | ok |
| 02:22.56 | InstallGrub | i got a bunch of modules load error on the start lol -_- |
| 02:23.03 | InstallGrub | i think. |
| 02:23.09 | Seb | "ls /etc/emacs*/**/*el | G -v site-start.el | xargs sudo rm" -> boy does that make a difference. It's like emacs is starting in .1 sec now. |
| 02:23.11 | InstallGrub | not sure it goes to fast cant read it |
| 02:23.24 | Seb | InstallGrub: Ctrl-s -> locks terminal |
| 02:23.29 | Seb | InstallGrub: Ctrl-q to unlock |
| 02:23.37 | InstallGrub | thanks for the tips |
| 02:25.16 | InstallGrub | modprobe : fatal : error inserting pciehp o_O |
| 02:25.18 | dondelelcaro | Seb: that's why you just start emacs once, and use gnuclient for everything else. |
| 02:25.28 | InstallGrub | operation not permit xDDD |
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| 02:26.14 | InstallGrub | i got a couple of opetration not permit in the modprobe during booting :S |
| 02:26.16 | InstallGrub | lol |
| 02:26.18 | Seb | dondelelcaro: somehow I have never made the leap to gnuclient. Cannot quite explain myself why. Like when it took me 4 years t oswitch to zsh, and after that I wondered every day how I didn't switch earlier. |
| 02:26.29 | InstallGrub | i think im going to install back debian -_- to see |
| 02:26.48 | dondelelcaro | Seb: heh. I still haven't switched to zsh |
| 02:26.58 | Asmodee` | bob2: http://rafb.net/paste/results/sJgosP31.html |
| 02:27.03 | Seb | dondelelcaro: oh don't think I mentioned this on purpose ;> |
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| 02:28.19 | GubbleBum | debian:/usr/src/modules/fglrx# ./make.sh |
| 02:28.20 | GubbleBum | Link /lib/modules/2.6.12-1-386/build does not exist (or is not a link) |
| 02:28.42 | GubbleBum | I'm trying to make an fglrx module for my kernel...I did everything the guide said...but that directory doesn't exist. |
| 02:28.56 | GubbleBum | /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.12 exists |
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| 02:29.58 | dondelelcaro | GubbleBum: fix make.sh to use the proper directory instead of looking for the build symlink |
| 02:30.15 | GubbleBum | dondelelcaro, Where is the proper directory? |
| 02:30.26 | dondelelcaro | /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.12, apparently. |
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| 02:32.46 | GubbleBum | debian:/usr/src/modules/fglrx# modprobe fglrx |
| 02:32.46 | GubbleBum | FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.12-1-386/misc/fglrx.ko): No such device |
| 02:32.50 | kevix | GubbleBum, debian recently changed from 'kernel-source' to 'linux-source' |
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| 02:33.09 | GubbleBum | dondelelcaro, The module built without any errors...I just get errors when I try to modprobe. |
| 02:33.21 | kevix | GubbleBum, the script may not have changed to reflect this change. |
| 02:34.18 | bob2 | GubbleBum: and your card is...? |
| 02:34.37 | GubbleBum | bob2 some ati card |
| 02:34.42 | GubbleBum | I don't know...it's a laptop. |
| 02:34.46 | dvs | GubbleBum: That's narrows it down |
| 02:34.47 | bob2 | GubbleBum: "some" is of no use |
| 02:34.52 | bob2 | find out what it is |
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| 02:34.55 | GubbleBum | I just see an ati sticker on the laptop and 3d accel doesn't work. |
| 02:34.58 | kevix | GubbleBum, does 'lspci |
| 02:35.01 | bob2 | firegl is saying "go away, I don't support that card" |
| 02:35.08 | kevix | GubbleBum, does 'lspci' shed some light. |
| 02:35.11 | sussudio | i see via based nics for even cheaper than rtl8139's... are these worse than realteks? |
| 02:35.20 | multidex | what is the simplest command to extract files from a tar.gz archive? |
| 02:35.37 | GubbleBum | 0000:01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility 7000 IGP |
| 02:35.41 | kevix | multidex, tar -xzvf mytar.tar.gz |
| 02:35.42 | bob2 | uh |
| 02:35.43 | GubbleBum | multidex, tar zxvf |
| 02:35.48 | bob2 | that card is from about 1943 |
| 02:35.50 | multidex | thank you! |
| 02:35.51 | bob2 | and not supported by firegl |
| 02:35.56 | bob2 | (As the firegl instructions say) |
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| 02:36.58 | kevix | bob2, 1943, did the Univac use that card? |
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| 02:37.11 | bob2 | yes |
| 02:37.15 | bob2 | it's made of valves and moths |
| 02:37.27 | bob2 | GubbleBum: anyway, X itself probably has acceleration for it |
| 02:37.29 | bob2 | set that up |
| 02:37.35 | salahuddin | hello |
| 02:37.43 | GubbleBum | bob2, What driver? |
| 02:37.48 | bob2 | unless ati magically renumbered all their IGP cards |
| 02:37.51 | bob2 | which would be moronic |
| 02:37.55 | bob2 | GubbleBum: radeon, I'd assume |
| 02:38.01 | GubbleBum | This laptop is only a year old. |
| 02:38.12 | GubbleBum | I know they can use old cards...but it would seem I need firegl |
| 02:38.14 | GubbleBum | guess not |
| 02:38.17 | Guerin | litage: if you're interested, it's because sals is too stupid to use encrypted passes from a sql database, and has to go through pam - but even then, I couldn't get it working |
| 02:38.27 | bob2 | GubbleBum: read the firegl docs |
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| 02:38.38 | multidex | where can i find libmp3lame.so? |
| 02:38.40 | kimo | any drivers for ICH6 modems? |
| 02:38.50 | litage | Guerin: ah i see. thanks |
| 02:38.50 | GubbleBum | bob2 I just did. |
| 02:38.52 | GubbleBum | You are right. |
| 02:38.56 | bob2 | multidex: /msg dpkg lame |
| 02:39.00 | GubbleBum | But I still don't know how to get 3d accel to work. |
| 02:39.08 | salahuddin | i am reciveing DHCP request from 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.0.31. but i use use if i got 192.168.0.1 frist. now i wanna block the DHCP request from 192.168.0.31 (using sid) |
| 02:39.33 | bob2 | uh |
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| 02:40.07 | tictac | lol |
| 02:40.40 | sparr | wish me luck on a 4-month-overdue dist-upgrade :) |
| 02:40.59 | dvs | sparr: Luck? You won't need it. ;-) |
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| 02:42.40 | klock | happy halloween guys |
| 02:42.47 | InstallGrub | you 2 :P |
| 02:42.48 | dvs | Boo! |
| 02:43.10 | kevix | GubbleBum, this web site for SOME ati cards does not list yours. http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 02:43.23 | GubbleBum | I know. |
| 02:43.27 | GubbleBum | We've already established this. |
| 02:43.36 | GubbleBum | X supports my card, more specifically xorg..what I use. |
| 02:43.48 | GubbleBum | But I still need to know what drivers and options to enable to get 3d accel to work. |
| 02:44.40 | salahuddin | GnubbleBum: option enable accel (in x.org) |
| 02:45.06 | multidex | when i try to exit xterm, i get "There are stopped jobs" |
| 02:45.14 | dvs | multidex: fg |
| 02:45.26 | kevix | multidex, type 'jobs' |
| 02:45.40 | multidex | how do i stop the jobs? |
| 02:45.48 | dvs | KILL IT!!!! |
| 02:46.30 | multidex | thanks people!! |
| 02:46.51 | InstallGrub | kill -9 JOBS |
| 02:46.55 | InstallGrub | :O |
| 02:47.11 | sparr | dvs: did i mention my system predates the new kde/qt libs? |
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| 02:47.40 | dvs | sparr: Nope. |
| 02:47.59 | sparr | dvs: how about that dist-upgrade wants to remove my irc client? |
| 02:48.17 | dvs | sparr: That's weird! |
| 02:48.28 | kevix | GubbleBum, this may show the info: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&postid=1792775#post1792775 |
| 02:48.31 | sparr | i agree |
| 02:48.33 | sparr | its a qt issue |
| 02:48.36 | dvs | sparr: Maybe it goes by another package name now. |
| 02:48.42 | usuario | its there a irc-client for text console ? |
| 02:48.46 | sparr | that is supposedly resolved |
| 02:48.49 | sparr | usuario: bitchx |
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| 02:49.20 | sparr | 1262 upgraded, 140 newly installed, 53 to remove and 17 not upgraded. Need to get 1430MB of archives. |
| 02:49.23 | sparr | fun! |
| 02:49.28 | mrrangerman | hi all I was wandering if someone may be able to help me? |
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| 02:49.59 | sparr | dvs: you didnt have to ask |
| 02:50.18 | usuario | thanks ! |
| 02:50.18 | kevix | usuario, irssi-text |
| 02:50.28 | sparr | usuario: telnet |
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| 02:50.51 | sparr | gonna start the dist-upgrade and go to sleep |
| 02:50.52 | sparr | gnite |
| 02:51.15 | mrrangerman | I installed debian and now it can |
| 02:51.15 | dvs | sparr: Dial up connection? |
| 02:51.27 | mrrangerman | sorry |
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| 02:52.48 | WALoeIII | how can I get the mysql_config script, its not included in the mysql package |
| 02:52.56 | cddesjar | does anyone know if openoffice.org2 packages in sid include a dictionary? |
| 02:53.00 | mrrangerman | i installed deb and now it don't see my cdrom. its not listed in the dmesg at all. |
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| 02:53.23 | cello_ser | has anyone ever tried to implement a "click-to request permissions and make install" handler for x envronments? |
| 02:53.33 | dvs | mrrangerman: Which kernel? |
| 02:53.52 | mrrangerman | 2.8.12 |
| 02:54.03 | cddesjar | 2.8? |
| 02:54.05 | dvs | mrrangerman: 2.6.12? |
| 02:54.06 | cddesjar | !2.8 |
| 02:54.07 | kevix | WALoeIII, its in the mysqlclient$VER-dev |
| 02:54.15 | mrrangerman | sorry 5 |
| 02:54.19 | mrrangerman | 6 |
| 02:54.27 | dvs | do i hear 7? |
| 02:54.32 | mrrangerman | lol |
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| 02:54.37 | WALoeIII | thanks kevix |
| 02:54.43 | cddesjar | 2.6.14 is sweet |
| 02:54.50 | dvs | mrrangerman: Any idea what chipset you're using? |
| 02:54.53 | dvs | cddesjar: Yup |
| 02:55.03 | cddesjar | does anyone know how to edit the xfce menu? |
| 02:55.06 | kevix | WALoeIII, if its in debian, 'apt-file' will find it! |
| 02:55.13 | mrrangerman | intel |
| 02:55.13 | cddesjar | what is selinux? |
| 02:55.14 | cddesjar | !selinux |
| 02:55.16 | dpkg | hmm... selinux is the NSA's port to Linux of the FLASK security Architectur, called Security Enhanced Linux. |
| 02:55.26 | dvs | mrrangerman: Intel has LOTS of chipsets. |
| 02:55.44 | mrrangerman | brb |
| 02:56.22 | multidex | whats the command for changing ownership? |
| 02:56.26 | dvs | chown |
| 02:58.44 | cello_ser | man i would love something that looked for the install instructions of gzipped source folders and unzipped and executed them (with permissions requested of course) |
| 02:58.46 | multidex | thanks dvs |
| 02:58.51 | dvs | no prob. |
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| 03:01.05 | multidex | what is the syntax for changing ownship of a directory and all files in that directory? |
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| 03:01.15 | cello_ser | chown -r |
| 03:01.37 | cello_ser | r for recursive |
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| 03:04.04 | salahuddin | ? is the gtk2 base net-configure tool for debian (i forget the name) |
| 03:04.13 | AbieeAlejandroMX | apt-get install debian |
| 03:05.04 | kevix | salahuddin, do you mean 'network-admin' ? |
| 03:05.53 | salahuddin | kevix: ya thanx i forget it :) |
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| 03:08.43 | mrrangerman | can't find it right now, the system is a dell precision workstation 410 dual p3 550 |
| 03:09.24 | BenAtCoffeShop | this could be a bit OT but any one know if theres a clean way to upgrade from Fedora3 to Debian? |
| 03:09.46 | gravity | BenAtCoffeShop: There's something called debtakeover but I can't vouch for it |
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| 03:10.08 | BenAtCoffeShop | gravity: cool I'll go see what google has to say. |
| 03:10.08 | doojin | hi guys |
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| 03:10.12 | BenAtCoffeShop | hello doojin |
| 03:10.14 | doojin | so many people!!! |
| 03:10.17 | doojin | 653 |
| 03:10.53 | wazzles | cddesjar: what do you mean by edit the menu? |
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| 03:11.14 | wazzles | I just right click on the xfce menu and it allows me to add and remove items from it |
| 03:11.20 | doojin | I use grub for dos |
| 03:11.50 | kevix | BenAtCoffeShop, the idea could be to save /home and make a copy of /etc. but dont use /etc, just make a copy to read for what to change in your new debin /etc files. |
| 03:11.51 | doojin | can I boot into net-install debian through grub for dos? |
| 03:12.05 | doojin | I already booted into ubuntu net-install through grub for dos |
| 03:12.13 | doojin | ubuntu doesn't have many programs |
| 03:12.59 | kevix | doojin, that is not true. Ubuntu has access to most of debian if you ask on #ubuntu |
| 03:13.11 | doojin | I couldn't install amule in ubuntu |
| 03:13.17 | doojin | do you know what this means? |
| 03:13.24 | gloin | eh, I've just rebooted my sid box, and all of a sudden LVM has stopped seeing a device. If I do pvdisplay it calls it unknown device, but if I do 'pvdisplay /dev/hdc' then it reports things correctly and then a subsequent pvdisplay will show the drive in the right place. However, lvm still doesn't see the device on /dev/hdc. Help!? |
| 03:13.24 | doojin | I can install amule with debian |
| 03:13.48 | doojin | I could also install gimageview in debian |
| 03:14.04 | kevix | doojin, do you mean that you could not find amule or it has installation problems? |
| 03:14.17 | gloin | and vgcfgrestore volumename says "couldn't find device with uuid 'blahblah'. |
| 03:14.22 | doojin | apt-get couldn't install amule and gimageview in ubuntu |
| 03:14.28 | gloin | I'm kind of at my wit's end |
| 03:14.42 | gloin | and yes, that apostrophe belongs there on the possessive =] |
| 03:14.55 | kevix | doojin, ask in #ubuntu to ask how to add universe and multiverse. |
| 03:15.02 | doojin | ? |
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| 03:15.50 | Puiu | Anyone have their line for /etc/fstab for their usb thumb drive...and they can show it to me? |
| 03:16.04 | Puiu | I need a line for /dev/sda1 but I'm not sure of the options...can someone pm me their line |
| 03:16.09 | kevix | gloin, there are lot of wits here. maybe we are not at our wits' end. |
| 03:16.16 | gloin | kevix++ |
| 03:16.47 | doojin | kevix : the sound system in ubuntu doesn't work properly |
| 03:17.01 | kevix | doojin, so ask in #ubuntu. x-) |
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| 03:17.20 | BucWheat | i keep getting failed to access debian archive for every mirror i select. what gives? |
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| 03:17.50 | kevix | Puiu, this is one of mine: #/dev/sda1 /mnt/camera vfat users,auto,umask=000 0 0 |
| 03:18.13 | kevix | BucWheat, did you apt-get update? |
| 03:18.19 | BucWheat | and i have a network connection. i'm on irc |
| 03:18.33 | BucWheat | kevix that is what i'm trying to do apt-get update |
| 03:18.49 | BucWheat | Cannot initiate the connection to debian.oregonstate.edu:21 (140.211.166.134). - connect (101 Network is unreachable) |
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| 03:18.58 | kevix | BucWheat, try it again, it may fix te problem. |
| 03:19.15 | BucWheat | kevix just did no dice |
| 03:19.30 | kevix | BucWheat, have you tried another mirror? |
| 03:19.55 | BucWheat | kevix yea i get it for all of them. this is a new debian install as well |
| 03:20.06 | BucWheat | ahh hold on i think i know what the problem is |
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| 03:21.28 | BucWheat | kevix i left gateway out in /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 03:22.07 | BucWheat | :) |
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| 03:23.51 | tung | anyone know how to configure a mouse button to ctrl-c and ctrl-p? |
| 03:24.04 | kevix | does anyone have a pointer to get up the new apt-get update with diff support. |
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| 03:30.09 | twixter | where can I download the debian package nvidia-kernel-common which is >=20050829 ? Thanks |
| 03:30.39 | twixter | it doesnt seem to be in the ftp.debian.org archives |
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| 03:32.40 | kevix | twixter, module-assistant could do that for you! |
| 03:33.05 | twixter | well, i installed module-assistant but when i tried to execute the following: |
| 03:33.08 | robertbb | I'm attempting to use iptables to perform NAT. |
| 03:33.20 | twixter | m-a a-i -t nvidia |
| 03:33.34 | robertbb | However, when I try and launch my ruleset script, I get "Could not initialize NAT table, do you need to insmod" |
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| 03:33.46 | twixter | i got an error message that my version of nvidia-kernel-common was not recent enough |
| 03:33.47 | robertbb | However, the right modules are compiled and are running |
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| 03:35.18 | kevix | twixter, well the easiest way would be to 'apt-get update' and then try again. |
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| 03:35.49 | twixter | well i dont have internet acces in debian yet, i am talking to you now under Windows |
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| 03:36.10 | twixter | if i could find the site where the latest version is, i could d/l it myself |
| 03:36.21 | kevix | ok. you can find older packages on snapshot.debian.net use the search! |
| 03:36.59 | twixter | uh, OLDER packages? why older? i need newer. sorry for being a pain |
| 03:37.29 | twixter | i will give it a shot, thanks for your help |
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| 03:38.37 | nse | wow! stellarium is fantastic! |
| 03:38.42 | kevix | twixter, well if you can not find it in packages.debian.org then check for the latest in incoming.debian.org |
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| 03:39.35 | victor-f | hello moto |
| 03:40.12 | twixter | ok thanks very much kevix |
| 03:41.05 | victor-f | alguien habla español? |
| 03:41.10 | kevix | !es |
| 03:41.11 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 03:43.11 | Erpo | htm files open in epiphany when I double click on them, but I want them to open in Firefox. I'm using gnome. How can I fix this? |
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| 03:43.59 | Guerin | Erpo: gnome-control-center |
| 03:44.36 | Erpo | Guerin: My preferred web browser is set to firefox already. |
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| 03:44.58 | Guerin | Erpo: dunno then. Guess it must just be gnome being stupid. |
| 03:44.59 | Dewi | How can I make the system's name resolution requence include a lookup against samba (wins)? |
| 03:45.11 | Dewi | I have added "wins" to my "hosts" line in nsswitch.conf |
| 03:45.23 | Dewi | which was all I needed when I did this the other day in fedora |
| 03:46.31 | Erpo | resolution requence? Are you asking how you can make the system's name resolution system request a lookup against samba? |
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| 03:47.24 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone here use k9copy before? |
| 03:47.52 | TwistedEmotions | Err... basically wanted to know if it autocompresses 9.X gig DVD's... |
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| 03:48.39 | zaplutus | Anyone know of some good applications for online photo albums? |
| 03:48.58 | zaplutus | preferable one that can be used by multiple family members from different computers |
| 03:49.16 | Guerin | zaplutus: gallery |
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| 03:49.44 | zaplutus | Guerin: cool, ill check it out |
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| 03:52.03 | kevix | zaplutus, 'apt-cache search photo album' will show the options. |
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| 03:53.08 | zaplutus | kevix: i know how to search, i just was wanting some recomendations |
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| 03:54.09 | w3rdn4 | does anyone have the movie hackers?? |
| 03:54.14 | zaplutus | yes |
| 03:54.29 | john | i have it on dvd somewhere |
| 03:54.36 | zaplutus | i have it on dvd |
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| 03:55.32 | Guerin | w3rdn4: your local video store does |
| 03:55.34 | zaplutus | heh, suPHP killed gallery |
| 03:55.36 | zaplutus | time to fix it |
| 03:56.05 | klync | hey, i'm trying to use module-assistant, and having difficulty locating the right kernel-headers pkg... this is a pretty vanilla, fresh installation... is there some trick i'm missing? |
| 03:56.08 | Guerin | w3rdn4: i know this, because MY local video store does, and I live in a country where ~10% of the population understand english well enough to watch a movie in it |
| 03:56.10 | w3rdn4 | my vhs has it |
| 03:56.25 | cunak | my machine won't allow me to go to a resolution higher than 640x480 |
| 03:56.26 | Guerin | klync: uname -r |
| 03:56.36 | cunak | i know the monitor can go higher |
| 03:56.40 | Guerin | !tell cunak about set up x |
| 03:56.45 | klync | Guerin: 2.4.27-1-386 |
| 03:57.08 | Guerin | klync: you need to upgrade your kernel to (at least) 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 03:57.11 | kevix | Guerin, do you know if the recent version of M-A are aware of the linux- change? |
| 03:57.21 | Guerin | klync: the -1- series kernels are finished |
| 03:57.30 | Guerin | klync: don't know, but that's not the issue here. |
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| 03:57.49 | kevix | Guerin, k tx |
| 03:57.53 | klync | Guerin: oh, i see... this was installed from an old testing cd, and i guess the headers aren't in the tree any more.. k, i'll pick a new kernel-image then, and things should fix themselves... you think? |
| 03:58.05 | Guerin | klync: yeah. |
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| 03:58.47 | _Dez | hey i need some help |
| 03:59.08 | kevix | _Dez, do you have a question? |
| 03:59.45 | _Dez | o sry |
| 03:59.52 | _Dez | yeah my Wireless card isnt working correctly |
| 03:59.55 | curt | !seen curt |
| 03:59.56 | dpkg | curt is currently on #debian (5m 49s). Has said a total of 366 messages. Is idling for 0s |
| 04:00.06 | curt | !seen abrotman |
| 04:00.07 | dpkg | abrotman is currently on #debian (1d 13h 15m 58s). Has said a total of 147981 messages. Is idling for 2h 7m 59s |
| 04:01.03 | _Dez | WPC54G v2 |
| 04:01.07 | kevix | _Dez, is it plugged in? do you know if it is supported? is it a,b,g... |
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| 04:01.28 | _Dez | yes |
| 04:01.33 | _Dez | its supposed to be supported |
| 04:01.36 | InstallGrub | what is net-install? |
| 04:01.41 | kevix | _Dez, does lspci show it? |
| 04:01.45 | _Dez | hold on |
| 04:01.48 | _Dez | im rebooting it :/ |
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| 04:02.01 | curt | why does ChanServ warn me [#apache] Logging and posting #apache channel traffic without notice is prohibited |
| 04:02.05 | InstallGrub | _Dez ur on laptop or computer? |
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| 04:02.23 | _Dez | laptop |
| 04:02.28 | _Dez | Toshiba 320ct |
| 04:02.32 | kevix | InstallGrub, is a cd image for installing debian from a network connection. |
| 04:02.43 | InstallGrub | oh ok. a live install :p |
| 04:02.50 | _Dez | no |
| 04:02.55 | abrotman | curt: ? |
| 04:02.56 | _Dez | installed on hd |
| 04:03.03 | zaplutus | such a pain running suPHP |
| 04:03.06 | zaplutus | heh |
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| 04:03.20 | curt | abrotman, hi, nothing really... spent hours on apache2 and php today |
| 04:03.22 | InstallGrub | itsa small version of installer who connect to server to install to ur hd ? :p |
| 04:03.27 | _Dez | ive learned alot over the past 2 weeks of having trouble |
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| 04:03.38 | abrotman | ah .. ok |
| 04:03.41 | kevix | _Dez, for future reference, google for 'toshiba linux mailing list'. it may be helpful. |
| 04:03.48 | InstallGrub | :p we learn by meeting trouble :P haha |
| 04:04.50 | kevix | InstallGrub, every problem is a lesson to be learned |
| 04:04.54 | _Dez | it shows up in lspci |
| 04:05.28 | InstallGrub | u right :O you should go philosopher :D |
| 04:05.38 | kevix | _Dez, do you have modules in 'lsmod' for it? did you configure /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 04:05.45 | fbi | the channel limit is 666. |
| 04:05.48 | fbi | !satan++ |
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| 04:06.01 | _Dez | im lost |
| 04:06.08 | _Dez | lol fbi |
| 04:06.10 | uwdreamer | evening all |
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| 04:06.21 | _Dez | i didnt configure etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:06.25 | _Dez | im a newb on linux sry |
| 04:06.34 | InstallGrub | u have to configure etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:06.41 | _Dez | ok how do i do that |
| 04:06.45 | InstallGrub | if u use a dhcp, just use dhcp seting and put everything to auto |
| 04:06.45 | fbi | _Dez: man interfaces; ask questions after. |
| 04:06.48 | uwdreamer | has anyone ever lost their floppy and cd-rom drivers after an update |
| 04:06.49 | kevix | _Dez, hardware needs kernel modules to access it. so you need some kernel moduels to access the card. |
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| 04:07.10 | InstallGrub | type ifconfig, do u see ur eth of ur wireless card |
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| 04:07.13 | xbmodder_lappy | When I bridge two interfaces the internet gets disconnected -- basically all in/out data |
| 04:07.28 | _Dez | ifconfig shows up |
| 04:07.44 | _Dez | lo my stuff |
| 04:07.45 | _Dez | blah blah |
| 04:07.46 | InstallGrub | modify ur etc/network/intefaces |
| 04:07.52 | InstallGrub | ... |
| 04:07.53 | InstallGrub | no. |
| 04:08.02 | kevix | _Dez, does eth0 have an ip address or just a mac address? |
| 04:08.07 | InstallGrub | you should have eth0,eth1, lo |
| 04:08.12 | _Dez | ip address |
| 04:08.16 | _Dez | wlan0 |
| 04:08.16 | _Dez | ^ |
| 04:08.17 | InstallGrub | ibleieve ur laptop come with a network lan card |
| 04:08.25 | InstallGrub | ur wireless should be eth1 |
| 04:08.36 | _Dez | my laptop didnt come with a network lan card |
| 04:08.39 | _Dez | im using PCMIA |
| 04:08.44 | _Dez | how ever you spel it |
| 04:08.45 | InstallGrub | then ur wireless card is eth0 ? |
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| 04:08.52 | kevix | _Dez, of couse, you can have ethernet in the laptop as well as a wifi card. so eth0 and eth1 or wlan0 |
| 04:09.34 | _Dez | i know for sure its wlan0 |
| 04:09.42 | InstallGrub | what it say at wlan0 |
| 04:09.47 | _Dez | i have interfaces up |
| 04:09.50 | _Dez | what do i put |
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| 04:10.04 | InstallGrub | nano /etc/network/interefaces |
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| 04:10.14 | InstallGrub | and put at DHCP if u have a dhcp server |
| 04:10.19 | InstallGrub | else u have to modify it to stctic |
| 04:10.21 | kevix | InstallGrub, what happens if you ifup eth0 and ifup wlan0? what about the routing? I never got that figured out. |
| 04:10.24 | InstallGrub | man it : |
| 04:10.26 | InstallGrub | lol |
| 04:11.03 | InstallGrub | it will take only one of them |
| 04:11.15 | InstallGrub | the second one will be a routing part. |
| 04:11.44 | InstallGrub | my realtek is gaying on me -_- |
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| 04:12.13 | _Dez | in my interfaces it says iface lo inet loopback |
| 04:12.38 | kevix | _Dez, yes, that is the correct setup for the loopback. |
| 04:12.41 | InstallGrub | hmmm |
| 04:12.55 | _Dez | o |
| 04:13.08 | InstallGrub | i neva configured a wireless card before for debian lol |
| 04:13.19 | InstallGrub | try ifconfig wlan0 up |
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| 04:13.46 | _Dez | it says no such device |
| 04:14.03 | InstallGrub | hmm... |
| 04:14.43 | InstallGrub | hmm |
| 04:14.52 | InstallGrub | try ifconfig eth0 |
| 04:14.56 | InstallGrub | try ifconfig eth0 up |
| 04:15.09 | _Dez | nope |
| 04:15.12 | InstallGrub | if device still not found, ur debian doesnt have the module loaded, or |
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| 04:15.14 | _Dez | tryed eth1 to |
| 04:15.21 | dondelelcaro | if you don't see the interface in ifconfig -a; then the module hasn't been loaded. |
| 04:15.30 | dondelelcaro | (or you haven't loaded the proper module) |
| 04:15.35 | _Dez | o |
| 04:15.46 | _Dez | how do i find out what modules are avaliable |
| 04:15.55 | InstallGrub | actually, someone know the right module for the ealtek semi confuctor SMC ? |
| 04:16.07 | InstallGrub | realtek* |
| 04:16.23 | xbmodder_lappy | When I bridge two interfaces the internet gets disconnected -- basically all in/out data. Any ideas how to get these to bridge? |
| 04:16.43 | [bman] | when I try to run a gnustep application (unstable, and running TextEdit in this case, but it happens for any gnustep app) I get: /usr/lib/GNUstep/System/Applications/TextEdit.app/TextEdit: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/GNUstep/System/Library/Bundles/libgnustep-back.bundle/./libgnustep-back: undefined synbol: FTC_Manager_Lookup_Size. I ran `nm /usr/lib/libfreetype.a | grep FTC_Manager_Lookup' and it spat out FTC_Manager_LookupSize. note the missing `_' |
| 04:16.44 | [bman] | between Lookup and Size. I googled and found this: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnustep/2005-02/msg00003.html |
| 04:16.51 | InstallGrub | what u mean by bridge? |
| 04:17.20 | Dewi | Erpo: yes, I was asking how to make the system's name resolution system request a lookup against samba (if DNS failed, of course) |
| 04:18.07 | dondelelcaro | [bman]: which gnustep application? which version of libfreetype do you have installed? |
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| 04:18.23 | kevix | [bman], 'apt-get install gnustep-back' |
| 04:19.17 | [bman] | TextEdit in this case... libfreetype6 - 2.1.10-1... gnustep-back is already the newest version... |
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| 04:19.29 | InstallGrub | OH YEAH BABY :D I GET THE FUCKING REALTEK WORKING :D |
| 04:19.42 | dondelelcaro | InstallGrub: lay off the caps, please. |
| 04:19.46 | InstallGrub | sorry xD |
| 04:19.47 | sanxiyn | !realtek |
| 04:19.48 | dpkg | realtek is, like, a piece of crap chipset that fortunately is a lot better if you use the 8139too driver in 2.2.18 and 2.4.0 instead of rtl8139. a chip that has a pretty high server load while transmitting data. very cheap and common as an embedded ethernet controller Works fine for me. |
| 04:19.56 | InstallGrub | lol |
| 04:20.09 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: realtek =~ s/ Works fine for me.// |
| 04:20.09 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: OK |
| 04:20.12 | kevix | [bman], is this a debian packages or did you hand install it? |
| 04:20.16 | sanxiyn | Hm, that sounds dissociated. |
| 04:20.22 | InstallGrub | realtek is a peace of crap :p |
| 04:20.30 | InstallGrub | wel the version SMC card is.. |
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| 04:20.39 | [bman] | kevix: yes, I used the debian packages. |
| 04:21.20 | sanxiyn | [bman]: Hm, I think I once saw it... |
| 04:21.21 | [bman] | InstallGrub: My realtek is an smc. It worked `out-of-the-box' |
| 04:21.33 | kevix | [bman], did you check the bugs.debian.org/$PKGNAME for bugs. if none, it may be a bug to report. |
| 04:21.38 | dondelelcaro | [bman]: they work, the primary issue with them is that the chipset itself is garbage... |
| 04:21.39 | sanxiyn | IIRC, it was FreeType upstream going crazy and changing API without soname update or so. |
| 04:21.50 | [bman] | ;-) |
| 04:22.00 | kevix | [bman], did you check the bugs.debian.org/$PKGNAME for bugs. if none, it may be a bug to report. |
| 04:22.06 | [bman] | sanxiyn: it wouldn't be a new thing |
| 04:22.07 | kevix | huh |
| 04:22.09 | sanxiyn | Again, IIRC, they have put the symbols back silently. |
| 04:22.12 | [bman] | Kevix, yes |
| 04:22.21 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs #314385 |
| 04:22.24 | dpkg | #314385:G[libfreetype6] gworkspace.app: Loader error when launching GWorkspace; Thu, 16 Jun 2005 00:48:03 UTC |
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| 04:22.43 | sanxiyn | dondelelcaro: Oh, indeed. |
| 04:22.53 | sanxiyn | "Downgrade libfreetype6 to something before 2.1.10-1." |
| 04:22.59 | [bman] | k |
| 04:23.55 | sanxiyn | Me too... |
| 04:24.01 | kevix | [bman], for older packages, snapshot.debian.net |
| 04:24.11 | [bman] | kevix, sanxiyn, dondelecaro: thanks |
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| 04:25.28 | sanxiyn | http://www.lisperati.com/lisplogo_fancy_256.png |
| 04:25.29 | sanxiyn | funny |
| 04:27.51 | kevix | sanxiyn, mildly cute. |
| 04:28.33 | kevix | if dentists used free software would it be called dental floss? |
| 04:29.08 | [bman] | kevix: all the packages I found for freetype gives me 404 or 403 when I try to browse them. |
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| 04:29.59 | ratonn | How do I remove the Return-Path header from outgoing messages in Exim4? |
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| 04:31.21 | kevix | [bman], which server? |
| 04:31.53 | sanxiyn | kevix: snapshot.debian.net. |
| 04:31.56 | [bman] | kevix: for instance, the next previous version 2.1.7-2.4 (which is what Steve Langasek said to use) is: http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2005/04/25/debian/pool/main/f/freetype |
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| 04:32.11 | [bman] | 403 |
| 04:32.24 | sanxiyn | (snapshot.debian.net lost a year's worth of data because of disk failure...) |
| 04:32.33 | [bman] | and the apache server is misconfigured. |
| 04:32.44 | [bman] | :-P |
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| 04:34.18 | b-_-d | debian reiser4 installer? please no reiser4 flaming |
| 04:34.28 | luci0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:34.28 | piplined | b-_-d: Hahhahahahhahahhahahah |
| 04:34.32 | luci0 | ? |
| 04:34.42 | piplined | b-_-d: You can't honestly think you could come in here, ask for something incredibly stupid, and get a reasonable answer. |
| 04:34.49 | piplined | b-_-d: My suggestion is that you check tubgirl.com |
| 04:35.00 | pureone | hehe |
| 04:35.07 | piplined | b-_-d: If you don't know how to roll your own, you have no business inquiring about reiser4. It's that simple. |
| 04:35.14 | b-_-d | fine i will google more |
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| 04:35.22 | piplined | There's no googling to be done on the subject. |
| 04:35.27 | piplined | Slipstream your own d-i disc. |
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| 04:35.44 | b-_-d | no need to roll my own if you did |
| 04:35.46 | virax_clone | hi everyone |
| 04:35.53 | b-_-d | sorry i ask |
| 04:35.58 | virax_clone | I'm very new to linux |
| 04:35.59 | b-_-d | nevermind |
| 04:36.09 | sanxiyn | virax_clone: Hello |
| 04:36.14 | virax_clone | and I need some help getting my PCMCIA wireless card working |
| 04:36.37 | stew | virax_clone: what chipset does the card have? |
| 04:36.45 | virax_clone | I had expected Ubuntu to install it by default, cause it was in the slot while the install was going |
| 04:36.52 | virax_clone | I'm not quite sure |
| 04:36.57 | virax_clone | it's a D-Link DWL650 |
| 04:37.07 | [bman] | ubuntu? |
| 04:37.21 | virax_clone | yeah |
| 04:37.23 | magyar | does root kits apply to only linux based systems or M$ platforms also? |
| 04:37.40 | sanxiyn | magyar: Eh. |
| 04:37.40 | stew | virax_clone: ask #ubuntu |
| 04:37.46 | Erpo | magyar: There are rootkits for windows. |
| 04:37.55 | virax_clone | I did but no one was able to help =\ |
| 04:37.59 | pureone | yeah but theres no root ;) |
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| 04:38.17 | virax_clone | and i figured that since Ubuntu is based on Debian, I'd try here =| |
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| 04:38.24 | magyar | thats the funny part .....no root |
| 04:38.25 | [bman] | pureone: Administrator... |
| 04:38.48 | virax_clone | the odd thing is, when I do iwconfig from the console |
| 04:38.48 | pureone | yeah it was a lame joke :| |
| 04:38.53 | magyar | am reading about AIM and a root kit worm just discovered |
| 04:38.56 | virax_clone | it doesn't see any wireless ethernet cards |
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| 04:39.31 | stew | virax_clone: are you sure its a 650 and not a 650+? |
| 04:40.27 | virax_clone | it's a regular 650 |
| 04:40.44 | [bman] | kevix: so if snapshots.debian.net is hosed, do you know of another place I can find that deb? |
| 04:40.47 | virax_clone | I remember buying it a couple years ago and seeing hte 650+, but didn't have hte cash for it |
| 04:40.58 | stew | virax_clone: i'm suprised its not working. ask #ubuntu how to get wlan-ng drivers installed |
| 04:41.07 | stew | virax_clone: you have a prism2 chipset |
| 04:41.13 | virax_clone | is that good or bad? |
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| 04:41.40 | stew | its good |
| 04:41.53 | virax_clone | ahh, ok then :) |
| 04:42.02 | virax_clone | I'll go back to the ubuntu channel and ask |
| 04:42.05 | virax_clone | thanks stew |
| 04:42.13 | grendal_prime | you know this is just insane..there has to be some way of tracking this error...xjust freezes with the exception of the mouse |
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| 04:42.24 | grendal_prime | it appears to have something to do with open gl.. |
| 04:42.45 | grendal_prime | but i cannot find a log file anywhere of what is happening |
| 04:43.35 | grendal_prime | is there some way to start X with extensive logging of some sort? |
| 04:43.49 | grendal_prime | verbose setting? maybe? |
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| 04:47.40 | kevix | [bman], this MAY help, or not, http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=i386&file=pool%2Fmain%2Ff%2Ffreetype%2Flibfreetype6_2.1.7-2.4ubuntu1_i386.deb&md5sum=e81b03be87a6b125385f7d40ee8d8fc7&arch=i386&type=main |
| 04:48.05 | Guerin | grendal_prime: /var/log/ |
| 04:48.16 | Guerin | grendal_prime: X's default logging is INCREDIBLY verbose |
| 04:48.26 | [bman] | kevix: actually I just found that deb in 2005/06/25 |
| 04:48.46 | litage | how do i tell apt-get to only download pkg X, rather than X and all of the dependencies? |
| 04:49.03 | kevix | [bman], hehe |
| 04:49.04 | Guerin | litage: download, or download and install? |
| 04:49.12 | Dewi | just out of curiosity... is there any reason debian uses inetd instead of xinetd? |
| 04:49.16 | kevix | litage, -d option |
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| 04:49.27 | litage | Guerin: download only. i thought ``apt-get -d install xyz'' would do it, but it still wants to download the dependencies |
| 04:49.35 | Guerin | Dewi: xinetd odesn't offer much useful |
| 04:49.39 | Guerin | litage: try aptitude -d |
| 04:49.45 | Guerin | err |
| 04:49.48 | Guerin | aptitude download |
| 04:49.51 | Dewi | Guerin: running a daemon local-only is useful |
| 04:49.53 | litage | k |
| 04:50.03 | kevix | litage, you can use the --print-uris option and use wget to download what you want. |
| 04:50.08 | Guerin | Dewi: anyone who needs to do that can install it themselves |
| 04:50.35 | grendal_prime | Guerin, there is nothing it any of the logfiles located there on this problem |
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| 04:50.45 | Guerin | grendal_prime: then X is working perfectly |
| 04:51.06 | Dewi | Guerin: you could say that of anything. Running something like "swat" on loopback doesn't seem like a very advanced wish |
| 04:51.45 | grendal_prime | that was my inclenation as well the problem is ...something is broken. And i cannot for the life of me figure it out.. |
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| 04:52.15 | Guerin | Dewi: the fact of the matter is that only a very small proportion of people need it. Debian doens't install X, or an irc client, or a web browser, or 'host' by default - why would it install a loated inetd? |
| 04:52.33 | grendal_prime | seems like anything that requres more video...you know opengl, well tuxkart for instance is a prefect example..that game kills this machine quick |
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| 04:52.48 | Guerin | there's barely any reason to run ANY inetd, let alone a big-deal one |
| 04:52.55 | [bman] | kevix, sanxiyn, dondelecaro: thanks again. things are working now. |
| 04:54.29 | Dewi | Guerin: fair enough. but none of those things you mention are core components that other things interact with. I worry that if I swap out inetd and swap in xinetd I'm going to have other package problems from now on... perhaps this is unfounded, but I'm nervous about it. I'm probably just going to keep non-essentials disabled, or use a firewall. |
| 04:55.14 | Guerin | Dewi: that's another thing debian doesn't install by default - a firewall. Are you getting it, yet? |
| 04:55.45 | Guerin | Dewi: if changing inetd out for xinetd breaks things, it's xinetd which is broken, not the other things. |
| 04:55.49 | Dewi | Guerin: a firewall is by nature not central to a system, and apt should never touch it. This is not true of inetd |
| 04:55.57 | [bman] | ended up putting in my /etc/apt/preferences `Package: libfreetype6\nPin: version 2.1.7-2.4' because I an know for doing apt-get upgrade and just hitting enter. |
| 04:56.04 | sanxiyn | Dewi: ... |
| 04:56.08 | Guerin | Dewi: what makes an inetd crucial to any system? |
| 04:56.14 | [bman] | s/an/am/ |
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| 04:56.27 | sanxiyn | [bman]: Good idea... It's pity this "grave" bug is not yet fixed. |
| 04:56.35 | InstallGrub | hey hey :p |
| 04:56.37 | InstallGrub | im bak |
| 04:56.39 | Guerin | Dewi: all my inetd entries are commented, except for my box which runs bitlbee (which only runs out of inetd) |
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| 04:57.03 | kevix | Dewi, debian has a system for dealing with similar package functionality: 'alternatives system' |
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| 04:57.09 | Dewi | Guerin: I'm not saying it's crucial; I'm saying it's central. When I installed "swat", it modified inetd.conf. I have no idea if that would have worked if xinetd was installed, becasue in fedora at least xinetd has a different configuration format. |
| 04:57.11 | [bman] | apt-get source gnustep-back |
| 04:57.55 | Guerin | Dewi: if the package isn't smart enough to mke itself work with any of the inetds, it or they ar ebroken. |
| 04:57.59 | Dewi | Guerin: anyway, you answered my question. |
| 04:58.05 | Guerin | Dewi: but you didn't try, so it's moot. |
| 04:58.06 | Dewi | Guerin: it's not a big deal |
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| 04:59.14 | sanxiyn | Dewi: Yes, Debian's update-inetd helper script should work with various inetd-clones. |
| 04:59.24 | sanxiyn | If not, file bug to netbase package. |
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| 05:01.59 | Fixion | is there a way to export an environment variable permanently? |
| 05:02.13 | sanxiyn | Fixion: Your .profile? |
| 05:02.24 | Fixion | in my home dir? |
| 05:02.43 | kevix | sanxiyn, it seems the various *inetd packages do not have 'Provides: inetd'. any insight? |
| 05:02.43 | sanxiyn | Yes. |
| 05:03.05 | Fixion | sanxiyn: do I make it if it doesn't exist? |
| 05:03.14 | sanxiyn | Fixion: Yes. |
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| 05:04.08 | Dewi | how can I make debian resolve netbios names using samba? |
| 05:04.29 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 05:04.52 | Dewi | I want to be able to "ping windowsbox" from my debian system |
| 05:05.10 | grendal_prime | well you could make it a wins server |
| 05:05.11 | Fixion | sanxiyn: do I need to restart/relogin for the settings in .profile to take effect? |
| 05:05.41 | Dewi | grendal_prime: I don't really waant to set up any nameservers |
| 05:05.48 | sanxiyn | Fixion: relogin. |
| 05:06.02 | sanxiyn | (Or, just source it. Next login will have environment vars set.) |
| 05:06.09 | grendal_prime | well...i guess your...fkd then |
| 05:06.19 | Dewi | grendal_prime: redhat can do it |
| 05:06.22 | Dewi | I mean fedora |
| 05:06.24 | sanxiyn | Dewi: It's possible to use NSS. |
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| 05:06.45 | grendal_prime | well you could use redhat... |
| 05:06.48 | Dewi | all I remember doing on fedora is installing samba, and putting "wins" onto my "hosts" line of nsswitch.conf |
| 05:06.53 | Dewi | but that's not doing it in debian |
| 05:06.58 | Dewi | must be missing a step somewhere |
| 05:07.02 | sanxiyn | Dewi: Hm, something similar to that should work on Debian too? |
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| 05:07.39 | grendal_prime | that would be making it a wins server |
| 05:08.32 | sanxiyn | Indeed. Dewi: winbind |
| 05:08.45 | sanxiyn | Eh, no. |
| 05:08.50 | grendal_prime | well enabling it as it were...thing is..ive never had a problem with that ms idiot proof protocol NOT broadcasting everything on the wire anyway |
| 05:09.04 | Dewi | broadcasting is okay |
| 05:09.18 | Dewi | I can *see* the debian box from everywhere, but on the debian box I cannot resolve |
| 05:09.18 | grendal_prime | really? |
| 05:10.07 | grendal_prime | well you could use like Nmap and scann the entire network...andbuild a nameserver file in less than an hour i would think |
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| 05:10.42 | grendal_prime | if things are changing alot use dhcp and gather it on issue of ip |
| 05:11.02 | tung | how the hell did i manage to lose my "i" in my bash command windows? |
| 05:11.08 | tung | cant type the letter i anymore |
| 05:11.13 | Dewi | grendal_prime: this network already has a dhcpd and dns |
| 05:11.28 | sanxiyn | tung: Eh? |
| 05:11.30 | [bman] | so I put a candle to gnustep-back's source and found 32 counts of FTC_Manager_Lookup_Size, and 11 counts of FTC_Manager_LookupSize. |
| 05:11.33 | grendal_prime | what are you building? |
| 05:11.36 | Dewi | (on a crappy little hardware router) |
| 05:11.48 | kevix | tung, but you typed i? so Im confused? |
| 05:11.49 | tung | sanxiyn: i cant type the letter in a bash shell |
| 05:11.56 | [bman] | tung: happend to me on my mac. Keyboard is dead (or you can try to clean it). |
| 05:12.15 | sanxiyn | tung: Try press escape key a lot. |
| 05:12.23 | [bman] | or ctrl-g |
| 05:12.24 | grendal_prime | ace that and use a linux box for that stuff.. |
| 05:12.33 | tung | sanxiyn kevix bman: i cant type the letter i every where else except in a bash shell |
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| 05:12.56 | Netsnipe | has anyone had any luck with the postgresql packages recently? |
| 05:12.58 | [bman] | tung try to type ctrl-g and see if that fixes it |
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| 05:13.14 | Netsnipe | postmaster isn't even starting for me |
| 05:13.16 | tung | sanxiyn the sad thing is that im so desperate i actually tried that |
| 05:13.19 | kevix | tung, are you using an input method or keymap? |
| 05:13.19 | [bman] | readline might be hung up on something |
| 05:13.21 | Netsnipe | after a fresh install of the packages |
| 05:13.22 | Dewi | what does changing my "hosts" line in nsswitch actually *do*? I can't find any detailed docs |
| 05:13.30 | grendal_prime | nice part about software router...you have untrusted stuff..you just alias a nick...set it to some compleatly different netowork and dhcp it...like for the case of wireless then you can rout it to the internet without it even touching your internal net |
| 05:14.00 | grendal_prime | but it all runs on exactly the same hardware |
| 05:14.05 | sanxiyn | Dewi: It provides Name Server Switch. |
| 05:14.08 | Dewi | grendal_prime: it's not worth it |
| 05:14.37 | tung | sanxiyn kevix bman: last thing i was doing was messing around with XFConfig86-4 xmodmap, and imwheel |
| 05:14.51 | sanxiyn | Hm, keyboard map problem? |
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| 05:14.56 | sanxiyn | Don't know much about it. |
| 05:14.57 | tung | sanxiyn kevix bman: just got my 4th and 5th mouse button working, i was hella happy |
| 05:15.14 | tung | sanxiyn kevix bman: until i rebooted and lost the letter i in the bash shell |
| 05:15.19 | kevix | tung, cool. lose i, gain mouse button! |
| 05:15.26 | [bman] | lol |
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| 05:16.05 | [bman] | tung: I'm guessing that this is bash in a terminal on X? |
| 05:16.07 | kevix | tung, if you lost 'i', I guess you have to be less ego centric? |
| 05:16.29 | [bman] | or bash in a terminal? |
| 05:16.36 | [bman] | without x |
| 05:16.44 | xbmodder_lappy | When I bridge two interfaces the internet gets disconnected -- basically all in/out data. Any ideas how to get these to bridge? |
| 05:16.56 | kevix | tung, I would try in console, or on differnt xterm (rxvt) . |
| 05:16.58 | tung | sanxiyn kevix bman: these jokes are funny if you have an i key! |
| 05:17.11 | [bman] | xbmodder_lappy, the other end has to be bridged as well. |
| 05:17.13 | sanxiyn | tung: Good luck. I have no idea. |
| 05:17.29 | loke_ | y0 |
| 05:17.34 | xbmodder_lappy | [bman], how so? |
| 05:17.44 | loke_ | whats a good image viewer for debian besides pornview? |
| 05:17.47 | sanxiyn | Netsnipe: PostgreSQL 7.4 not starting? |
| 05:18.01 | xbmodder_lappy | loke_, kuickshow |
| 05:18.05 | kevix | loke_, xview , gthumb, gimp, |
| 05:18.06 | [bman] | xbmoddr_lappy: could you explain your bridge a little better than what you have? |
| 05:18.08 | sanxiyn | loke_: I use gqview. Not the best, workable. |
| 05:18.17 | Netsnipe | sanxiyn: yeah |
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| 05:19.10 | tung | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:19.18 | loke_ | sanxiyn ill try it |
| 05:19.24 | [bman] | tung: :-D |
| 05:19.31 | xbmodder_lappy | [bman], let me try this one more time. |
| 05:19.40 | loke_ | kevix thanks |
| 05:20.00 | loke_ | xbmodder_lappy thanks |
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| 05:20.35 | loke_ | fah |
| 05:20.45 | KurtKraut | I'm attemping to install Java Runtime Machine in my Firefox. I need to find where the 'plugins' folder of firefox is. How can I find it ? |
| 05:21.15 | [bman] | xbmodder_lappy: for instance, I have a bridge setup between two tap devices, but when I start it, it doesn't kill my inetnet connection, as my internet connection is on eth0. |
| 05:21.22 | sanxiyn | Netsnipe: Check /etc/postgresql/7.4/main/postgresql.conf. |
| 05:21.39 | sanxiyn | Netsnipe: Value of tcpip_socket and ssl. |
| 05:21.58 | sanxiyn | Hm, if it's really broken from fresh install, that's a bug. |
| 05:22.26 | Toolah | Hi, I have just dug up an old debian based laptop and can't get it to connect to the net. I try ifup and get the error "SIOCSIFFGLAGS: No such device." Computer is thinkpad laptop with 3Com 3C589D-TP ethernet card and module for card is loaded. Any ideas for help please? |
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| 05:22.53 | Guerin | KurtKraut: use make-jpkg |
| 05:23.17 | Guerin | KurtKraut: abandon what you're doing or have done, and as dpkg about install java |
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| 05:24.36 | sanxiyn | KurtKraut: It's under JAVA_HOME/jre/plugin/{arch}/{browser}/libjavaplugin_oji.so, but do use make-jpkg. |
| 05:24.48 | sanxiyn | KurtKraut: No need to take care of that yourself. |
| 05:25.40 | InstallGrub | Smeone know where i can get tc.htb3 command? |
| 05:25.42 | sanxiyn | (Or /usr/lib/{mozillae}/plugins. Symlink from there to here, etc.) |
| 05:26.15 | [bman] | xbmodder_lappy: have you found a way to explain how your bridge is setup yet? |
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| 05:27.12 | KurtKraut | Guerin, are you sure that 'dpkg about install java' is right ? |
| 05:28.00 | [bman] | xbmodder_lappy: "the other end has to be bridged as well." - this comment of mine was BS! I was thinking of bonding, not bridging ;) |
| 05:28.05 | sanxiyn | !tell KurtKraut about java-package |
| 05:28.43 | sanxiyn | Netsnipe: Does it start after editing postgresql.conf? |
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| 05:29.13 | Netsnipe | sanxiyn: that's been fixed in the packages already |
| 05:29.23 | sanxiyn | Netsnipe: ? |
| 05:29.50 | xbmodder_lappy | oh.. heh |
| 05:30.01 | Fixion_ | I have a program that I'm trying to run and I get this error "Warning: Cannot convert string "-adobe-new century schoolbook-bold-r-normal--12-*-75*" to type FontStruct no font found". What kind of fonts is it looking for? |
| 05:30.01 | xbmodder_lappy | A tun is a virtual interface right? |
| 05:30.08 | sanxiyn | xbmodder_lappy: Yes. |
| 05:30.14 | Toolah | how do I start diagnosing this problem? I used to be able to use this laptop and forget how to bring the network interface up |
| 05:30.18 | xbmodder_lappy | how the hell do I make one? |
| 05:30.29 | sanxiyn | xbmodder_lappy: Load tun module? |
| 05:30.37 | Netsnipe | sanxiyn: #323878: postgresql-7.4: postgresql doesnt start after upgrade - SSL with no tcpip |
| 05:30.37 | Netsnipe | Package: postgresql-common (postgresql-common 19; fixed: postgresql-common 24); Reported by: Craig Small <csmall@enc.com.au> |
| 05:30.46 | xbmodder_lappy | xbmodder ~ # ifconfig tun0 |
| 05:30.46 | xbmodder_lappy | tun0: error fetching interface information: Device not found |
| 05:31.19 | [bman] | xbmodder_lappy: yes. it is a vitual interface at the ip layer, if the virtual interface needs a mac address or manipulation at the ethernet level, then you need a tap, rather than a tun. |
| 05:31.19 | sanxiyn | Netsnipe: Nice. |
| 05:31.32 | Dewi | if I add "wins" to the "hosts:" line in /etc/nsswitch.conf, how does it know what I mean by "wins"; what does it go looking for, and does it log errors somewhere? |
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| 05:32.10 | [bman] | xbmodder_lappy: modprobe tun; ifconfig tun0 up; ifconfig tun0 |
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| 05:32.37 | xbmodder_lappy | xbmodder ~ # ifconfig tun0 up |
| 05:32.38 | xbmodder_lappy | tun0: unknown interface: No such device |
| 05:32.41 | Netsnipe | sanxiyn: the problem seems to be that the init.d scripts never run "/usr/lib/postgresql/8.0/bin/pg_ctl start -l /var/log/postgresql/postgresql-8.0-main.log -D /var/lib/postgresql/8.0/main" for me |
| 05:32.50 | xbmodder_lappy | CONFIG_TUN=y |
| 05:32.51 | [bman] | :/ I for got I guess. |
| 05:33.01 | xbmodder_lappy | [bman], are you a network admi? |
| 05:33.04 | xbmodder_lappy | admin? |
| 05:33.12 | sanxiyn | Netsnipe: No idea. |
| 05:33.25 | xbmodder_lappy | I basically need to build a bunch of virtual interfaces and bridge them |
| 05:33.42 | [bman] | xbmodder_lappy: yes |
| 05:33.44 | sanxiyn | Dewi: libc looks for /lib/libnss_modulename.so. |
| 05:33.45 | xbmodder_lappy | to make a giant virtual network ~1k hosts. |
| 05:33.54 | SimonRaven | karsten: hi |
| 05:34.08 | [bman] | xbmodder_lappy: what kind of computer are you doing this on... a sparc? |
| 05:34.14 | SimonRaven | hi folks |
| 05:34.18 | sanxiyn | Dewi: Therefore, in this case, /lib/libnss_wins.so, which is included in winbind package. |
| 05:34.30 | xbmodder_lappy | [bman], x86 |
| 05:34.32 | Dewi | sanxiyn: is winbind part of samba? |
| 05:34.34 | sanxiyn | Dewi: You can consult glibc documentation if you want to know more. |
| 05:34.38 | sanxiyn | Dewi: Yes. |
| 05:34.47 | [bman] | xbmodder_lappy: I'm not sure you can have that many tun interfaces on one computer. |
| 05:34.56 | Dewi | because I can see what looks like the source in the standard samba distribution |
| 05:35.08 | xbmodder_lappy | [bman], i got that figured out. |
| 05:35.19 | sanxiyn | Dewi: Yes, it's part of Samba. |
| 05:35.49 | xbmodder_lappy | [bman], usermode within usermode.... |
| 05:36.07 | InstallGrub | anyone know where to get IPROUTE2 on debian sarge? |
| 05:36.27 | Toolah | please? |
| 05:36.37 | Dewi | sanxiyn: I can't really work out why it needs to run a daemon, since nmbd is already providing this stuff. But... it works! |
| 05:36.50 | sanxiyn | Dewi: :-) |
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| 05:37.25 | Dewi | sanxiyn: fedora doesn't seem to have anything called "winbind", so I guess this stuff is included in their standard samba package. If you can call it a package. |
| 05:37.46 | sanxiyn | Dewi: Yes. Debian used to have one big samba package too. |
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| 05:38.11 | sanxiyn | It was split because, I guess, someone wanted it. |
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| 05:38.41 | Dewi | sanxiyn: maybe that's why you can get a workable debian in a couple of hundred mb, but to install fedora I need to insert 3 or 4 CDs. :P |
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| 05:39.01 | evil_andy | I'm having an issue with I THINK grub... but I'm not sure... |
| 05:39.05 | [bman] | xbmodder_lappy: apt-get install uml-utilities; # kill the uml-switch; /etc/init.d/uml-utitlities stop; tunctl -u username -t tun0; ifconfig tun0 up; ifconfig tun0 |
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| 05:39.17 | encompass | good morning everyone |
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| 05:39.24 | Dewi | sanxiyn: it's a pity the debian-specific stuff like this seems fairly undocumented |
| 05:39.38 | Dewi | sanxiyn: I mean everyone loves to cite man pages but if a package is not installed I can't see its man page |
| 05:39.40 | xbmodder_lappy | [bman], thanks.. |
| 05:39.48 | evil_andy | basically, I've installed grub on /dev/sda /dev/sda1 (both) but whenever the computer reboots, it always loads a redhat kernel |
| 05:39.55 | evil_andy | I can't figure out WHERE it's getting it from! |
| 05:40.00 | [bman] | xbmodder_lappy: I would suggest removing uml-utilities from your runlevel so that uml-switch doesn't start. |
| 05:40.15 | tct | How do i get a particular module to load at startup? What file do i have to deit |
| 05:40.18 | evil_andy | it's also not loading grub on boot. |
| 05:40.34 | [bman] | xbmodder_lappy: the easiest way is to use `sysv-rc-conf' |
| 05:40.39 | KurtKraut | I'm following the instructions on http://www.debianguide.org/wiki/moin.cgi/JavaHowTo but when I do 'fakeroot make-jpkg jre-1_5_0_05-linux-i586.bin' there is no .deb created/ What should I do ? |
| 05:40.44 | encompass | evil_andy check you bios... it may not be looking at the right drives first |
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| 05:41.06 | evil_andy | encompass, my bios shows no IDE drives and only 1 scsi drive |
| 05:41.09 | sanxiyn | KurtKraut: Any error message? |
| 05:41.26 | sanxiyn | KurtKraut: That command should create deb in current directory. |
| 05:41.31 | encompass | evil_andy where is the redhat kernal from? |
| 05:41.32 | _Dez | how do i install make, using apt-get |
| 05:41.39 | sanxiyn | _Dez: apt-get install make |
| 05:41.44 | evil_andy | encompass, I can't figure it out... it's not in /boot |
| 05:41.58 | evil_andy | how many bytes for the MBR? I'm going to use dd on it |
| 05:42.36 | [bman] | xbmodder_lappy: so about the bridge problems... what seems to be the problem? |
| 05:42.41 | _Dez | hmm |
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| 05:42.48 | _Dez | seems i have to have a internet connection to use make |
| 05:42.51 | _Dez | i mean install |
| 05:42.54 | _Dez | GRRRRR! |
| 05:43.03 | encompass | if you can physicaly remove or shut off the ide one and lets see what happens |
| 05:43.04 | KurtKraut | sanxiyn, it says that was impossible to create the .deb file because permission was denied |
| 05:43.07 | tct | The driver for my networkcard is not loaded by default. After much googling I finally found the driver. I used "insmod /path/driver.o" to load the driverfor it. How do i do this at startup? |
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| 05:43.14 | sanxiyn | KurtKraut: Oh, sure, permission was denied. |
| 05:43.24 | evil_andy | encompass, I have physically shut off the ide-cdrom drive and it's still doing it. |
| 05:43.25 | sanxiyn | KurtKraut: Run the command where you have write access, like, your home directory. |
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| 05:43.37 | KurtKraut | sandman, ok |
| 05:43.40 | KurtKraut | sanxiyn, ok |
| 05:43.43 | evil_andy | encompass, the weird part is it's the SYSLINUX loader... which usually comes with like, rescue environments... |
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| 05:44.12 | evil_andy | encompass, LOL! |
| 05:44.16 | evil_andy | encompass, Found it... |
| 05:44.24 | evil_andy | Floppy image |
| 05:44.25 | encompass | shizzle, you have to delete the mbr or the drive causing the problem... I would remove or disable drives until you find the nasty and then delete the mbr from there |
| 05:44.34 | [bman] | xiao: are you using a ipv6 tunnel? you seem to be using the older 3ffe address. |
| 05:44.46 | encompass | what! |
| 05:44.48 | encompass | sigh |
| 05:45.04 | encompass | I don't know how vmware even works |
| 05:45.17 | xiao | [bman]: yes, i am using ipv6. |
| 05:45.24 | [bman] | xiao: your tunnel provider should be able to give you one of the newer 2001: addresses |
| 05:45.27 | tct | ummm I kinda have a serious problem here |
| 05:45.42 | tct | an os without the internet is kinda useless |
| 05:45.46 | [bman] | xiao: the 3ffe address block is deprecated. |
| 05:46.00 | encompass | tct your talking to us. |
| 05:46.05 | tct | YES |
| 05:46.06 | encompass | that is one the internet |
| 05:46.11 | _Dez | can anyone help me in a privmsg >> |
| 05:46.16 | jtd | hey guys |
| 05:46.16 | tct | I want to know how to load the driver for my nic |
| 05:46.22 | tct | when the system boots |
| 05:46.30 | tct | I currently have to do it manually |
| 05:46.40 | encompass | modprobe |
| 05:46.50 | jtd | if I need to use kernel version 2.4.19 for something, how would I go about compiling and linking it successfully? it seems to fail in the network module when trying to link. |
| 05:46.57 | tct | modprobe what? |
| 05:46.58 | encompass | I would google that one... how to keep the driver install permenent |
| 05:47.07 | encompass | modprobe the driver |
| 05:47.09 | xiao | [bman]: i don't know. but if i want to use ipv6, i have no choice. |
| 05:47.10 | jtd | I seem to recall there are debian-specific patches for Linux kernels? |
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| 05:47.24 | tct | modprobe /path_to_driver/driver.o |
| 05:47.26 | [bman] | xiao: oh. is it provided by your isp? |
| 05:47.27 | tictac | jtd: apt-cache search kernel patch |
| 05:47.29 | tct | this should work? |
| 05:47.33 | jtd | tictac: thanks! |
| 05:47.39 | Erpo | tct: You'll need to write a shell script to run the command modprobe <modulename> on boot. |
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| 05:47.42 | encompass | sure give it a try.. I suck at this part of linux but I am trying |
| 05:47.52 | xbmodder_lappy | [bman], god damnit. |
| 05:48.00 | tct | Erpo: really? |
| 05:48.02 | xbmodder_lappy | [bman], everything |
| 05:48.07 | tct | shell script !!!??? |
| 05:48.11 | encompass | I never had to right a script |
| 05:48.13 | jtd | tictac: the version I need isn't listed here. |
| 05:48.14 | xbmodder_lappy | route tables seem fine |
| 05:48.16 | [bman] | xbmodder_lappy: ? I'm an athiest. |
| 05:48.20 | Erpo | _Dez: You're unlikely to get an answer if you ask for help in a private message. |
| 05:48.21 | jtd | any ideas re: that? |
| 05:48.27 | Erpo | tct: Yes. |
| 05:48.29 | encompass | tct it is just like righting a batch file |
| 05:48.30 | [bman] | lol |
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| 05:48.31 | encompass | but cooler |
| 05:48.44 | litage | if mysql is told to listen on 127.0.0.1, why would ``netstat -taunp'' show mysql as listening on the host's public ip address? |
| 05:48.49 | xbmodder_lappy | [bman], everything is broken |
| 05:48.59 | [bman] | xbmodder_lappy: I can't help you unless you tell me how it is setup. |
| 05:48.59 | xbmodder_lappy | [bman], this is the setup: |
| 05:49.02 | [bman] | ;) |
| 05:49.12 | Mando | :) |
| 05:49.15 | Mando | :)) |
| 05:49.19 | Mando | =)) |
| 05:49.19 | sanxiyn | litage: Because it's another MySQL? lol. |
| 05:49.21 | Mando | :p |
| 05:49.21 | bucky | tct list the driver in /etc/modules |
| 05:49.28 | Mando | :( |
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| 05:49.30 | tictac | jtd: do you have to use 2.4.17? |
| 05:49.31 | Mando | :d |
| 05:49.31 | xbmodder_lappy | [bman], I am working on it.... |
| 05:49.32 | encompass | yeah, that is what modprobe does |
| 05:49.33 | KurtKraut | sanxiyn, the .deb was created successfully. Thanks a lot ;D |
| 05:49.37 | xbmodder_lappy | [bman], I think I figured it out |
| 05:49.39 | sanxiyn | KurtKraut: No problem. |
| 05:49.40 | jtd | tictac: 2.4.19, actually. |
| 05:49.44 | Mando | ;-) |
| 05:49.52 | jtd | tictac: there is a patch I need to apply to it which will ONLY work with 2.4.19. |
| 05:49.52 | Mando | :O |
| 05:49.58 | encompass | tct do you understand that last thing? |
| 05:50.00 | Mando | >:p |
| 05:50.03 | Mando | :p |
| 05:50.03 | tictac | jtd: what are you trying to get to work? |
| 05:50.05 | tengulre | hi,all ! |
| 05:50.10 | tengulre | I m coming!!:) |
| 05:50.10 | encompass | hey! |
| 05:50.10 | Fixion | I have a program that I'm trying to run and I get this error "Warning: Cannot convert string "-adobe-new century schoolbook-bold-r-normal--12-*-75*" to type FontStruct no font found". What kind of fonts is it looking for? |
| 05:50.22 | tengulre | good afternoon here! |
| 05:50.34 | encompass | schoolbook |
| 05:50.34 | Mando | Good midnight here |
| 05:50.37 | Mando | :d |
| 05:50.41 | sanxiyn | Fixion: Google it. |
| 05:50.41 | Mando | :-D |
| 05:50.42 | tengulre | hehe... |
| 05:50.48 | jtd | tictac: you haven't heard of it. it's a modification to the scheduler called DWCS that applies a real-time constraint to the scheduler. I need to work on it for my graduate work (the great thing is I'm a CS grad student and have no experience with this stuff) |
| 05:50.49 | Fixion | sanxiyn: I did... |
| 05:50.53 | sanxiyn | Fixion: My recommendation: "cannot convert fontstruct" |
| 05:51.12 | Dewi | wow. why is php5 only in unstable? |
| 05:51.16 | Mando | Tengulre: what do you look for here or there :-D |
| 05:51.23 | encompass | cause it is |
| 05:51.23 | sanxiyn | Dewi: Because it is tangled with KDE. Don't ask me. |
| 05:51.47 | kevix | Fixion, what program are you running? |
| 05:51.53 | Fixion | kevix: Ensight |
| 05:51.54 | sanxiyn | dpkg, why is php5 not in testing |
| 05:51.58 | dpkg | php5 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=php5 |
| 05:52.07 | litage | sanxiyn: shwa? there's only 1 instance of mysqld running, and ``netstat -taunp'' says it's listening on 10.0.0.100 rather than 127.0.0.1 |
| 05:52.10 | [bman] | xiao: if it is provided to you by your isp, you should complain to them that they are using the old addressing scheme. email them this link: http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv6-tla-assignments |
| 05:52.41 | jtd | tictac: any suggestions? Debian was the only distro I could find that even still installed with a 2.4.x kernel |
| 05:52.47 | kevix | Fixion, that doesnt seem to be in Debian? where did you get it? |
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| 05:53.03 | Dewi | sigh. without php5, my plan of using debian sarge for webhosting looks... hopeless |
| 05:53.14 | jtd | I tried this with Ubuntu and it sort of laughed at me. |
| 05:53.18 | xiao | [bman]: i am a user of China cernet. This service is free for university user. |
| 05:53.28 | Fixion | umm.. its not, its a commercial CFD post processing application |
| 05:53.33 | sanxiyn | litage: On my box, Debian MySQL package listens only on localhost, i.e. works for me. |
| 05:53.36 | tictac | jtd: have you googled around for debian 2.4.19 kernel patches? |
| 05:53.40 | jtd | I have. |
| 05:53.49 | jtd | no luck there either. |
| 05:54.07 | xiao | [bman]: acturally, the tb service in my univer. has new address, but the server is down for some reasons |
| 05:54.07 | jtd | which makes me think maybe an older patch works with that slightly higher kernel #, and hence the reason there's no new patch for it? |
| 05:54.11 | zaplutus | Dewi: dotdeb.org |
| 05:54.13 | jtd | but I could be talking out my ass there. |
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| 05:54.18 | sanxiyn | Dewi: backports may help, but... |
| 05:54.23 | [bman] | xiao: yes, but that addressing scheme is phased out: see rfc-3701 |
| 05:54.28 | Mando | I just made an app now that will freak the hell out of newbie video/music downloaders. |
| 05:54.48 | tct | so you guys told me to write a shell script. I think this is over kill. Also I dont know how to |
| 05:54.51 | tictac | jtd: well you dont really _need_ the debian kernel patches. |
| 05:55.02 | tictac | jtd: just patch it against a fresh 2.4.19 tarball |
| 05:55.13 | zaplutus | tictac: from #lh? |
| 05:55.14 | encompass | tct does you get the message about /etc/modules? |
| 05:55.23 | tct | next - I know there is a file that determins which programs are run automatically on boot |
| 05:55.26 | tictac | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v.2.4/linux-2.4.19.tar.gz |
| 05:55.28 | encompass | add the name of the driver to /etc.modules... |
| 05:55.32 | tictac | zaplutus: no. from your mom. fucktard. |
| 05:55.33 | encompass | or just do modprobre |
| 05:55.35 | Mando | ban tct |
| 05:55.35 | xiao | [bman]: thanks. |
| 05:55.38 | encompass | modprobe |
| 05:55.39 | Mando | :-d |
| 05:55.39 | Dewi | sanxiyn: 15 months is a long time for a major package to not even get into testing. I can't quite believe it. |
| 05:55.40 | [bman] | ;) |
| 05:55.41 | Mando | :d |
| 05:55.42 | tictac | zaplutus: whois is your friend. |
| 05:55.47 | jtd | tictac: it won't link. |
| 05:55.47 | Mando | :-O |
| 05:55.50 | litage | sanxiyn: and ``netstat -taunp'' shows mysqld as running on 127.0.0.1? |
| 05:55.50 | sanxiyn | Dewi: Huh? |
| 05:55.51 | jtd | it stops... |
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| 05:55.53 | tictac | err |
| 05:55.55 | sanxiyn | litage: Yes. |
| 05:55.59 | tictac | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.19.tar.gz |
| 05:56.00 | sanxiyn | (On my box.) |
| 05:56.18 | encompass | tct bash scropting is just as hard to make as typing one little command |
| 05:56.22 | tct | I typed "modprob tulip" |
| 05:56.23 | encompass | it is VERY easy |
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| 05:56.25 | tictac | zaplutus: im always here. |
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| 05:56.29 | litage | sanxiyn: hrmm. i have "bind-address = 127.0.0.1" specified in /etc/mysql/my.cnf and have restarted mysqld |
| 05:56.34 | Mando | All of you SUCK here |
| 05:56.43 | Erpo | tct: Init governs what gets done at startup. And yes, writing a shell script is overkill for what you want to do, but that's the way things are with linux. |
| 05:56.43 | encompass | modprobe tulip |
| 05:56.47 | Mando | ****************** YA'LL SUCK ************** |
| 05:56.48 | sanxiyn | litage: Yes, same here. |
| 05:56.49 | tictac | Mando: why? because you cant get something to work? |
| 05:56.50 | [bman] | Mando: you are making all of the suck |
| 05:57.01 | jtd | tictac: net/network.o(__ksymtab+0xb28): undefined reference to `cls_socket_ops' |
| 05:57.04 | jtd | while linking. |
| 05:57.14 | tct | encompass: tulip is the driver package for my netcard |
| 05:57.20 | jtd | I'd say it's maybe 3/4 of the way through. |
| 05:57.23 | Mando | > U too |
| 05:57.29 | [bman] | :) anytime |
| 05:57.34 | Mando | save |
| 05:57.35 | encompass | !ban mondo |
| 05:57.39 | litage | sanxiyn: i am befuddled |
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| 05:57.44 | Mando | test ban tct |
| 05:57.57 | encompass | tct is trying now |
| 05:57.59 | tct | ummm thats not cool man |
| 05:57.59 | tictac | jtd: are there other people also doing this same project? have you asked your professor? etc etc etc normal college steps to solve the problem. |
| 05:58.10 | Mando | !ban encompass |
| 05:58.15 | encompass | tct did the modprobe work? |
| 05:58.17 | tct | let me reboot and see if it works |
| 05:58.23 | encompass | ok |
| 05:58.24 | tct | It didnt give me a message |
| 05:58.27 | jtd | tictac: he is remarkably unhelpful, and I am the only one working on this component |
| 05:58.29 | encompass | ok |
| 05:58.31 | encompass | cool |
| 05:58.34 | tct | I have noway of knowing f anything happened |
| 05:58.41 | sosono | ? |
| 05:58.42 | jtd | is anyone else familiar with the ins and outs of building the kernel? |
| 05:58.45 | tictac | jtd: hmm. |
| 05:58.48 | encompass | tct yes you do |
| 05:58.54 | encompass | !error |
| 05:58.54 | dpkg | The error is on line 89373 |
| 05:58.56 | encompass | ha |
| 05:58.59 | encompass | !error |
| 05:59.01 | tct | ok |
| 05:59.05 | tct | let me reboot |
| 05:59.08 | tictac | jtd: i dont thing its a 'kernel problem'. have you tried googling this 'patch' you have? |
| 05:59.09 | encompass | ok |
| 05:59.10 | tct | oh wait |
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| 05:59.18 | Mando | !whois tct |
| 05:59.23 | Mando | :O |
| 05:59.26 | tct | how do i see what modules are gonna be loaded with modprobe? |
| 05:59.38 | jtd | better than that |
| 05:59.40 | jtd | (one second) |
| 05:59.52 | sanxiyn | tct: man modprobe :-) |
| 05:59.58 | encompass | less /ect/modules |
| 06:00.00 | xbmodder_lappy | i am starting to think this is a tun problem. |
| 06:00.01 | xbmodder_lappy | .... |
| 06:00.08 | Marxist | tct check modules.conf |
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| 06:00.35 | Mando | How to send messages like purple???? |
| 06:00.52 | sanxiyn | tct: You want --verbose option together with --dry-run. |
| 06:00.54 | [bman] | xbmodder_lappy: I was going to help you, but you never gave any settings. and now I have to go to sleep. I'll bbt @ 4:00pm PST |
| 06:00.57 | tictac | zaplutus: why arent you on cj? |
| 06:01.07 | tct | ok |
| 06:01.19 | sanxiyn | tct: --verbose will print what modules it's inserting, etc., and --dry-run will run except actually inserting/removing modules. |
| 06:01.39 | tct | ok |
| 06:01.43 | tct | thanks |
| 06:01.48 | sanxiyn | (All written in modprobe manpage. :-) |
| 06:02.16 | Dewi | sanxiyn: incidentally, on "why is php4 not in testing yet", every breakage appears to only exist on "alpha" |
| 06:02.21 | zaplutus | tictac: tired of the people |
| 06:02.29 | zaplutus | tictac: networks been shit for a while now |
| 06:02.30 | sanxiyn | Dewi: No. |
| 06:02.33 | xbmodder_lappy | [bman], yeah I was trying to figure it out myself. night |
| 06:02.41 | tictac | zaplutus: people? no one ever goes there. im always on freenode and nixhelp |
| 06:02.46 | Dewi | sanxiyn: oh right sorry |
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| 06:02.49 | [bman] | xbmodder_lappy: well, get me tomorrow if you still have problems. |
| 06:02.53 | Mando | on Ypager.exe I used :<message> |
| 06:02.53 | sanxiyn | Dewi: Testing explain script reports about the first arch it sees trouble. It doesn't mean other trouble doesn't exist. |
| 06:02.59 | tictac | zaplutus: the network died since knight left :D |
| 06:03.12 | zaplutus | tictac: not only that, but i think my questions have out grown that network, every time i have a problem, no one knows anything about it |
| 06:03.20 | sanxiyn | (That is, if it's broken everywhere, it will show up as alpha, because that's first in abc order.) |
| 06:03.29 | zaplutus | tictac: well, since knight g lined whats his name |
| 06:03.33 | tictac | zaplutus: well, leaving the network wont change that. |
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| 06:03.43 | tictac | zaplutus: who are you referring to? geggam? |
| 06:03.46 | zaplutus | tictac: id stay, but synic won't change anything |
| 06:04.03 | zaplutus | tictac: no, i forget now, binky's little bitch |
| 06:04.05 | zaplutus | h? |
| 06:04.05 | Mando | I just made an app now that will freak the hell out of newbie video/music downloaders. |
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| 06:04.18 | Mando | < - Hi |
| 06:04.25 | Mando | <-Hi |
| 06:04.27 | rellik | is it possible to put a soundcard and speakers on one computer, and have other computers use it by sharing the device with NFS or something like that? |
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| 06:05.03 | sanxiyn | rellik: I doubt NFS will work. |
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| 06:05.19 | rellik | sanxiyn, any other ideas? |
| 06:05.21 | pixelmonkey | I think some funky stuff is going on at my data center and a machine is trying to grab the IP address my server is using. Is there any way I can see in my log files if there are duplicate IP address errors? |
| 06:05.23 | sanxiyn | rellik: There's Network Audio System and some others. |
| 06:05.27 | sanxiyn | Haven't used them. |
| 06:05.43 | rellik | sanxiyn, thanks, I'll read up on that |
| 06:06.16 | tictac | zaplutus: sku? |
| 06:06.24 | zaplutus | tictac: no, h |
| 06:06.27 | kevix | Fixion, i checked the site. I would guess its expensive , use paid support. otherwise, there may be a way to specify what font to use or what font to substitue for schoolbook. |
| 06:06.27 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 06:06.30 | Dewi | is there a good way to add non-debian sources like, say, "dotdeb", but add them in such a way that it only uses that source if there is no other alternative? Basically I don't want my dist automatically turning itself into dotdeb en masse... |
| 06:06.34 | tictac | zaplutus: h is/was glined? |
| 06:06.38 | zaplutus | was |
| 06:06.39 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@adsl-8-20-133.mia.bellsouth.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:06.39 | zaplutus | yeah |
| 06:06.42 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:06.46 | Fixion | kevix: thanks |
| 06:06.50 | tictac | thats awesome ;) |
| 06:06.53 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: use pinning to do so |
| 06:07.09 | sanxiyn | Dewi: man apt_preferences |
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| 06:07.35 | sanxiyn | Hm, that's not really the most intuitive documentation, but... |
| 06:07.50 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: can I pin on a source by source basis? |
| 06:07.57 | Dewi | I just never want to get a dotdeb package by accident |
| 06:07.58 | sanxiyn | Dewi: Yes. |
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| 06:10.04 | zaplutus | Dewi: you can pin versions or packages. I used dotdeb the other day for a client who needed php5, i only installed php5... |
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| 06:11.15 | shai | hi, is there a way to password protect a tar file? |
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| 06:13.56 | kevix | Fixion, also have you upgrade to the latest version? (the install instruction mention only 2.4 kernel for linux--odd) |
| 06:14.28 | kevix | shai, use pgp? |
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| 06:20.28 | Dewi | zaplutus: do you know of a reliable way of preventing other dotdeb stuff from "leaking" in by accident? |
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| 06:21.23 | zaplutus | Dewi: you would have to pin versions, there aren't to many packages in the dotdeb repo |
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| 06:22.06 | secher | Is there a way to get a JRE the Debian way? |
| 06:22.22 | kevix | secher, yes. |
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| 06:22.34 | secher | kevix: Ok, what is it? |
| 06:22.55 | Toolah | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:23.17 | sanxiyn | Dewi: Pinning with negative priority should prevent installation. |
| 06:23.25 | dpower | Toolah: ping? |
| 06:23.35 | sanxiyn | secher: java-package. |
| 06:23.36 | zaplutus | pong |
| 06:23.52 | secher | sanxiyn: Thanks much. |
| 06:23.55 | Toolah | I can ping 127.0.0.1 |
| 06:23.56 | kevix | secher, check here: http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian?focusedCommentId=4442 |
| 06:24.14 | sanxiyn | secher: apt-get install java-package; download Sun JRE/JDK; make-jpkg <downloaded file>; dpkg -i *.db. |
| 06:24.15 | sanxiyn | de |
| 06:24.16 | sanxiyn | deb |
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| 06:24.39 | kevix | Toolah, does it show up in /sbin/ifconfig eth0 |
| 06:24.58 | Toolah | kevix yes, says up but no ip |
| 06:25.38 | kevix | Toolah, so you need to bring up the interface. you would need to /etc/network/interfaces if you have not done so. |
| 06:25.45 | Toolah | I have tried ifup but gets no answer to dhcpdiscover |
| 06:26.23 | kevix | Toolah, ah. so it is configured. but the dchp has errors. that is another problem. not one I am familar with. |
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| 06:26.58 | Toolah | /etc/network/interfaces has "iface eth0 inet dhcp" |
| 06:27.33 | sanxiyn | Toolah: DHCP server problem? |
| 06:27.38 | Toolah | this laptop I am using worked from my dhcp server, and tried using this cable so know that works |
| 06:27.48 | sanxiyn | Perhaps he sleepth, and must be awaked. |
| 06:28.18 | Toolah | I think it is a pcmcia problem but have not played with pcmcia much before |
| 06:29.38 | kevix | sanxiyn, is there a way to see verbose output for the dhcp client/server chat? |
| 06:30.00 | pentium451 | kevix: tcpdump ? |
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| 06:30.09 | sanxiyn | kevix: Dunno. |
| 06:30.29 | pentium451 | ethereal gives a nice analysis |
| 06:30.30 | sanxiyn | (See also 1 Kings 18:27... no.) |
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| 06:30.33 | widrone | Toolah: cardctl info ? |
| 06:30.41 | Kovecses | hello |
| 06:30.44 | Kovecses | ubuntu sucks |
| 06:30.47 | Kovecses | debian |
| 06:30.50 | Kovecses | w00t |
| 06:30.50 | sanxiyn | Kovecses: And? |
| 06:30.55 | Toolah | just noticed something |
| 06:30.57 | dpower | tell us something we dont know |
| 06:31.08 | Toolah | cardinfo says dev eth1 |
| 06:31.13 | Kovecses | sanxiyn, just making a statement |
| 06:31.13 | kevix | Kovecses, be ready for a kick soon! |
| 06:31.31 | Toolah | it only has one interface, shouldn't it be eth0? |
| 06:31.32 | Kovecses | kevix, why? |
| 06:31.40 | Kovecses | kevix, for praising debian |
| 06:31.47 | sanxiyn | Kovecses: Well, Ubuntu is considered offtopic here. Not that offtopic doesn't abound here... |
| 06:32.08 | Kovecses | ok sorry guys |
| 06:32.55 | Toolah | why would cardmgr be mapping the card to eth1 and not eth0? |
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| 06:33.22 | litage | which rar archiving program do you guys suggest? |
| 06:33.36 | Kovecses | unrar |
| 06:33.44 | dondelelcaro | we suggest not using rar. |
| 06:33.57 | piplined | litage: The one made by rarsoft. |
| 06:34.01 | sanxiyn | litage: rar, if you must. |
| 06:34.03 | Toolah | widrone, cardctlinfo says its a 3C589D and there is a module loaded for it |
| 06:34.07 | litage | thanks |
| 06:34.13 | piplined | litage: You realize that it the only halfdecent one is the nonfree version, right? |
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| 06:34.22 | piplined | litage: The GPL unrar doesn't work for shit. |
| 06:34.26 | secher | !make-jpkg |
| 06:34.41 | sanxiyn | piplined: Sad but true. |
| 06:34.45 | sanxiyn | !java-package |
| 06:34.45 | dpkg | well, java-package is a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
| 06:34.46 | litage | piplined: hrm, that's annoying. how come? |
| 06:34.55 | dondelelcaro | piplined: it works for the old rar stuff... |
| 06:34.59 | piplined | litage: It's proprietary software and there's no demand for it. |
| 06:35.05 | piplined | litage: Most people just use tarballs and bzip2 |
| 06:35.07 | dondelelcaro | but then again, why you'd ever want to use rar is totally beyond me. |
| 06:35.10 | sep | litage, you need the one from unfree if you expect to unrar anything made on the windows version |
| 06:35.12 | Kovecses | what files would you need to unrar |
| 06:35.15 | _Dez | i need help with a WPC54G v2 |
| 06:35.18 | sanxiyn | dondelelcaro: To decompress rar files out there? |
| 06:35.19 | Kovecses | ive never come accross one |
| 06:35.22 | litage | ah well, no unraring for clamav then |
| 06:35.29 | Toolah | so how do I configure the card to be eth0? why would it make it be eth1? |
| 06:35.32 | piplined | dondelelcaro: It usually gets 1-2% better compression than tar + bzip2 |
| 06:35.39 | sep | litage, if you are looking for a way to compress, look no longer then tar+ [bzip|gzip] |
| 06:35.53 | dondelelcaro | piplined: I've actually never seen results to back that up myself... |
| 06:35.54 | pentium451 | Toolah: are you sure there is no eth0? |
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| 06:35.57 | sep | litage, for clam just install unrar from nonfree. |
| 06:35.59 | litage | sep: i'm interested in rar only because it's an option for clamav |
| 06:36.01 | Kovecses | Toolah, sometimes it considers usb ports a possiblity for an eth0 |
| 06:36.15 | litage | sep: what are the legal ramifications of "nonfree" though? |
| 06:36.19 | sanxiyn | sep: Can bzip2/gzip extract only some files fast from multi-file archive? No. |
| 06:36.34 | Dewi | litage: you need to check yourself on a package by package basis |
| 06:36.36 | sanxiyn | sep: zip (and rar) is also a container format, bzip2/gzip is not. |
| 06:36.36 | sep | litage, /msg dpkg nonfree |
| 06:36.40 | widrone | Toolah: Maybe even a firewire port gets loaded first. |
| 06:36.41 | sanxiyn | sep: Compare apple to apple. |
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| 06:36.46 | piplined | sanxiyn: gtar doesn't cost 30$. |
| 06:36.48 | Kovecses | widrone, good point |
| 06:36.58 | sep | sanxiyn, that's what the tar + was for |
| 06:36.59 | piplined | sanxiyn: I'd have to spend a lot of time waiting to make it worthwhile. |
| 06:37.02 | dondelelcaro | litage: the legal ramifications of non-free are different for every piece of software there; non-free just means that Debian can distribute it. |
| 06:37.05 | sanxiyn | piplined: No, but to extract .tar.gz, you still need to decompress all. |
| 06:37.06 | Kovecses | Toolah, yeah firewire too |
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| 06:37.13 | dondelelcaro | sanxiyn: no, you don't... |
| 06:37.18 | litage | thanks |
| 06:37.19 | sanxiyn | dondelelcaro: Oops, |
| 06:37.21 | sanxiyn | sorry ten. |
| 06:37.23 | sanxiyn | then |
| 06:37.24 | piplined | sanxiyn: No you don't. You just have to process the entire file. Just like a solid rar. |
| 06:37.28 | dondelelcaro | sanxiyn: if you know where the file is in the archive, you can go to it. |
| 06:37.37 | Dewi | piplined: only if the rar is a solid rar |
| 06:37.41 | Dewi | piplined: default is not solid |
| 06:37.42 | sanxiyn | dondelelcaro: That's new to me. |
| 06:37.48 | piplined | sanxiyn: Also, if you don't use the "solid" rar option, it doesn't compress as well as bzip2 + tar. |
| 06:37.52 | russruss | hey I'm getting horrible errors when compiling the nvidia kernel module using 2.6.12 kernel |
| 06:37.58 | russruss | any body have any experience? |
| 06:38.01 | piplined | Dewi: I just said that. But you would be a fool not to use the "solid" option |
| 06:38.04 | sanxiyn | piplined: Well, I am happy with zip. Thanks. |
| 06:38.08 | piplined | russruss: You'll have to be much more specific. |
| 06:38.12 | pentium451 | Toolah: 'ifconfig -a' says? |
| 06:38.12 | piplined | sanxiyn: zip just plain sucks :P |
| 06:38.18 | sanxiyn | piplined: How? |
| 06:38.25 | Kovecses | russruss, they dont have a binary install? |
| 06:38.28 | Dewi | piplined: only because it's not solid. Which bz2+tar is. Which means you can't recover one file without reading the whole archive up to that point |
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| 06:38.34 | sanxiyn | zip is a good container/compression format. |
| 06:38.42 | russruss | the only ones I've seen on unstable are for 2.4 kernels |
| 06:38.51 | russruss | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:39.04 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: again, if you know where the file is in the archive, you don't need to decompress the entire thing. |
| 06:39.14 | Kovecses | russruss, there is no linux installer on the nvidia webpage |
| 06:39.27 | sanxiyn | dondelelcaro: You don't need gzip decompression? |
| 06:39.30 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: is that information indexed anywhere? |
| 06:39.32 | sanxiyn | Didn't know that... |
| 06:39.35 | russruss | Kovecses, there is, I am using it, but you need to compile it yourself :'( |
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| 06:39.46 | russruss | like the installer just compiles it |
| 06:39.46 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: I mean it might be potentially anywhere |
| 06:39.49 | Kovecses | russruss, hrmmm what is the error |
| 06:39.52 | piplined | sanxiyn: Lousy compression. |
| 06:40.03 | Kovecses | russruss, did you grab the kernel-headers |
| 06:40.05 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: generally it isn't, but since the system is linear, you can trivally index it. |
| 06:40.16 | russruss | um I'm on unstable so I have linux-headers |
| 06:40.30 | russruss | I thought they were not using kernel-headers anymore? |
| 06:40.32 | sep | are there any container compression loopback filessytem for debian ? eg so you can loopback mount a zip rar tar[.gz|bz] ? is it even possible without decompressing the whole thing ? |
| 06:40.32 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: no one really ever bothers, because most of the time you want to decompress the entire thing anyway, or you have to read through the entire tape to find the stupid file anyway. |
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| 06:40.51 | secher | sanxiyn: kevix: thanks again. |
| 06:40.55 | Kovecses | russruss, linux-headers they are called now....and they are not installed by default |
| 06:41.13 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: all my *ix backups are in tar.bz2 or tar.gz and it takes an awfully long time just to get a list of the files in a 3gb file, let alone actually see contents of one |
| 06:41.35 | sanxiyn | russruss: linux-kernel-headers and kernel-headers is completely different beast. |
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| 06:41.48 | sanxiyn | Eh, now called linux-headers, indeed. |
| 06:41.48 | russruss | Kovecses, I have installed them |
| 06:42.00 | Kovecses | russruss, so what is the error |
| 06:42.03 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: yes, that's normal... |
| 06:42.26 | sanxiyn | dondelelcaro: Which is not really a feature. |
| 06:42.34 | russruss | uh well there's a lot but the main one is include/linux/linkage.h:5:25: error: asm/linkage.h: No such file or directory |
| 06:42.38 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: it also sucks, compared with my windows backups hosted in rar which is smaller and faster to look up things from within |
| 06:43.01 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: so use an incremental tar. |
| 06:43.03 | Kovecses | russruss, is that when you do ./configure or make |
| 06:43.09 | sanxiyn | .tar.(gz|bz2) is not really designed for "look up things". |
| 06:43.13 | russruss | make |
| 06:43.25 | russruss | well, actually it's complicated because it's the installer doing everything |
| 06:43.27 | sanxiyn | Too bad. |
| 06:43.30 | russruss | but the error occurs one make |
| 06:43.45 | Kovecses | russruss, did you look on the nvidia page for required packages |
| 06:44.00 | russruss | all it said was that it needed the kernel headers |
| 06:44.21 | zaplutus | tictac: im going to bed, c ya later |
| 06:44.49 | Kovecses | russruss, did it work before for you? |
| 06:45.04 | sanxiyn | Time for "nvidia one-liner"? I am reluctant to type that as I don't have nvidia... |
| 06:45.04 | Kovecses | russruss, did you try and google it |
| 06:45.15 | russruss | yes, it worked great when I was on stable using 2.6.8 |
| 06:45.48 | tictac | zaplutus: later fool |
| 06:45.50 | Kovecses | yeah i had issues with my ati drivers when switching too.... my my problem was way different |
| 06:47.25 | Kovecses | how come LimeWire comes up with far more results than gtk-gnutella? |
| 06:47.48 | dpower | Did somebody jsut say limewire? |
| 06:47.50 | dpower | bah |
| 06:48.06 | Kovecses | is dpower a sheep? |
| 06:48.21 | dpower | yes |
| 06:48.32 | Kovecses | lol |
| 06:48.36 | sanxiyn | Kovecses: LimeWire is multi-network p2p. |
| 06:48.41 | dpower | !lol |
| 06:48.41 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 06:48.43 | sanxiyn | gtk-gnutella is not. |
| 06:49.06 | Kovecses | sanxiyn, yes it most certainly is |
| 06:49.23 | pentium451 | How can I notify my smtp transport that my DNS (A) record is back online? |
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| 06:50.07 | pentium451 | it's rejecting mail... Domain of sender does not exist |
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| 06:51.04 | pentium451 | my domain didn't exist for a while there ... now it does |
| 06:51.21 | sanxiyn | pentium451: Wait some time for DNS to propagate... |
| 06:51.24 | dondelelcaro | pentium451: well, it will continue rejecting until it can resolve it |
| 06:51.30 | dondelelcaro | pentium451: what domain name? |
| 06:51.33 | pentium451 | hmm, ping works |
| 06:51.49 | pentium451 | dondelelcaro: /wi me |
| 06:51.59 | Toolah | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:52.32 | pentium451 | Toolah: it can be renamed at insmod time... but you want to avoid a conflice |
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| 06:52.37 | Toolah | pentium451, no usb or firewire on this laptop - what could be eth0? what controls the mappings? |
| 06:52.38 | pentium451 | confilct |
| 06:52.42 | dondelelcaro | pentium451: resolves here... may just be waiting for teh ttl to timeout. |
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| 06:53.02 | dondelelcaro | Toolah: the first driver to load and request eth0 is eth0. If you want to change it, use nameif. |
| 06:53.17 | pentium451 | dondelelcaro: ya, I've been waiting for quite a while though |
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| 06:53.39 | pentium451 | Toolah: make sure to rename eth0 out of the way first! |
| 06:53.46 | hcy | how can i see what's coming in my serial port - /dev/ttyS0 doesn't show me anything |
| 06:53.56 | hcy | sorry, I meant 'cat /dev/ttyS0' |
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| 06:54.26 | pentium451 | hcy: is /proc/interrupts moving? |
| 06:55.11 | Toolah | how do I figure out whats going on? what could eth0 possiblly be? |
| 06:55.19 | pentium451 | Toolah: you do have one? |
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| 06:55.45 | tct | the modconf didnt work |
| 06:55.56 | Toolah | I only have one network card in it and no built in network cards |
| 06:56.18 | hcy | pentium451: what do you mean by 'moving'? If I 'cat' it, it spits out some stuff but doesn't move |
| 06:56.22 | Kovecses | Toolah, why is it such a big deal to have it on eth0 |
| 06:56.28 | pentium451 | Toolah: I meen, you asked what eth0 could be... you have an eth0? |
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| 06:56.39 | Kovecses | Toolah, it will perform the same as eth1 |
| 06:56.48 | pentium451 | hcy: cat it again and check for diffs |
| 06:57.16 | Toolah | Kovecses, its on eth1 and it doesn't work - just tried eth1 and got "Ignoring unknown interface eth1-eth1" |
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| 06:57.31 | Kovecses | Toolah, ok |
| 06:57.48 | pentium451 | hcy: or 'watch cat /proc/interrupts' |
| 06:57.48 | Toolah | yes, ifconfig -a brings up an eth0 and eth1 |
| 06:57.50 | litage | why does ``ls -d /var/log'' output "/var/log" rather than all directories in /var/log/? |
| 06:58.05 | _nancy | Hello, does anyone here use KDE? If so, I have a problem with bookmarks on the kicker. Instead of opening konqueror, it opens a konsole but asks for the root password. How do I fix that? |
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| 06:58.08 | Toolah | and both have the same mac address - wtf? |
| 06:58.09 | pentium451 | litage: man ls |
| 06:58.10 | dondelelcaro | litage: uh, because that's what -d means. |
| 06:58.14 | sanxiyn | litage: Because that's what ls -d should do. |
| 06:58.59 | hcy | pentium451: watch is saying "permission denied" |
| 06:59.00 | Guerin | _nancy: fix your bookmark handler; ask #kde or #debian-kde how |
| 06:59.11 | _nancy | I have |
| 06:59.14 | _nancy | No answer |
| 06:59.17 | pentium451 | litage: find /var/log -type d |
| 06:59.24 | tct | how do I get a specific .o file (my networkcard's module) to load automatically at startup. I currently have to do it manually which is very annoying |
| 06:59.42 | hcy | pentium451: if i cat it again, the numbers in the CPU0 column have changed, yes. I don't see any ttyS0 mentioned there mind you. |
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| 07:00.15 | Guerin | _nancy: good luck, then. |
| 07:00.15 | hcy | pentium451: which line should i be looking for specifically, for serial port? |
| 07:00.24 | sanxiyn | litage: find /var/log -maxdepth 1 -type d |
| 07:00.46 | pentium451 | hcy: try minicom... and maybe check for disable hardware handshaking |
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| 07:01.48 | apacker | How can I tell apt-get to stop trying to remove a package? |
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| 07:01.59 | dondelelcaro | apacker: tell it to install it instead. |
| 07:02.03 | apacker | If I tell it to install the package, it still tries to remove it (resulting in an error code). |
| 07:02.09 | widrone | tct: man modules |
| 07:02.09 | apacker | want the longer version of the story? |
| 07:02.13 | jtd | what happens if you do apt-get -f install? |
| 07:02.14 | bob2 | apacker: and the error is...(#flood) |
| 07:02.25 | apacker | ok, this is a long story: |
| 07:02.27 | bob2 | jtd: that only works in very special circumstances |
| 07:02.28 | tct | for some reason I cant get to a console |
| 07:02.28 | sanxiyn | apacker: Or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 07:02.31 | tct | it wont open |
| 07:02.42 | apacker | tried to remove alsa-utils, alsa-base and alsa-modules-2.6.3-1-686 |
| 07:02.49 | apacker | removing the modules one apparently requires alsa-utils |
| 07:02.50 | tct | the console program will not execute, dont ask me why |
| 07:02.54 | tct | It just wont |
| 07:02.54 | apacker | but alsa-utils got removed firs |
| 07:02.55 | apacker | t |
| 07:02.57 | pentium451 | tct: ctlr-alt-f1 |
| 07:03.12 | apacker | so now alsa-modules removing throws the error essentialy "we need alsa-utils" |
| 07:03.27 | apacker | but trying to install alsa-utils with apt-get FAILS because apt-get FIRST tries to remove alsa-modules!!!! |
| 07:03.35 | apacker | pastings coming to #flood in a sec |
| 07:03.40 | jtd | that's weird. |
| 07:03.59 | tictac | alsa is overrated :P |
| 07:04.06 | apacker | really? |
| 07:04.08 | apacker | i hate alsa |
| 07:04.10 | apacker | oss is better? |
| 07:04.15 | apacker | i thought it was "deprecated" |
| 07:04.20 | Guerin | alsa > oss |
| 07:04.32 | bob2 | alsa is good, if only because of dmix |
| 07:04.39 | Guerin | you don't NEED alsa-utils; should be removable with impunity |
| 07:04.46 | pentium451 | alsa allows multiple 'connections' oss has exlusive open |
| 07:04.46 | nvz | I havent tried dmix yet |
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| 07:04.50 | bob2 | ugh |
| 07:04.57 | dippo | hi. I am getting errors trying to use my sblive with the alsa drivers in 2.6.14 and I get the error at http://chris.quietlife.net/tmp/error.txt |
| 07:05.00 | dippo | anyone have any idea why? |
| 07:05.02 | nvz | ALSA works better on my quirky AC97 |
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| 07:05.10 | rixth | Using FTP from the commandline, how can I grab a directory & all its contents? |
| 07:05.12 | tictac | as long as you have a sblive, you dont need alsa (since emu10k1 driver does dmix functions) |
| 07:05.14 | bob2 | someone make a script to make sbuild chroots that doesn't require me to remember anything |
| 07:05.17 | bob2 | rixth: mget |
| 07:05.17 | hcy | pentium451: minicom? specifically I'm trying to make my own simple program to monitor the status of my ups since I can't get any ups software to work on my sun. i thought all I'd need to do is watch what signal(s) it sends when the power's connected, and what signal(s) it sends when it's disconnected. but I can't for the life of me see what's coming in the serial port. |
| 07:05.19 | apacker | (just posted to flood) |
| 07:05.21 | apacker | it took me years to get alsa working |
| 07:05.23 | apacker | and intermittently it fails |
| 07:05.25 | apacker | so, can anyway help me? |
| 07:05.27 | dondelelcaro | bob2: why use sbuild? |
| 07:05.27 | pentium451 | rixth: mget |
| 07:05.36 | bob2 | tictac: which is handy, but it's hard to get ibm laptops with sblives ;) |
| 07:05.38 | apacker | if you read the error, im pretty convinced removing alsa-modules requires alsa-utils |
| 07:05.44 | dondelelcaro | bob2: pbuilder create; is so nice and trivial... |
| 07:05.45 | rixth | ftp> mget ** C |
| 07:05.45 | rixth | nlst is not implemented. |
| 07:05.46 | rixth | Hmm? |
| 07:05.47 | apacker | i just need to tell the apt system to STOP trying to remove a package |
| 07:05.50 | apacker | how hard can that be? |
| 07:05.56 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: unpacking the tarball ala pbuilder hammers the fuck out of my laptop disk |
| 07:06.04 | bob2 | apacker: please be quiet for 5 seconds |
| 07:06.08 | tictac | bob2: true. although i have 4 extra sblives for my desktops. :P |
| 07:06.19 | sanxiyn | alsa is apparently, "advanced", according to its name. |
| 07:06.35 | jtd | apacker: "make: *** [vmlinux] Error 1 |
| 07:06.39 | bob2 | apacker: the problem is just that you removed the init script |
| 07:06.45 | jtd | er. no. sorry |
| 07:07.00 | jtd | clipboard hiccup. were you serious when you said it took you years to get alsa working? |
| 07:07.09 | bob2 | apacker: fix /var/lib/dpkg/info/alsa-modules-2.6.3-1-686.postrm to just not call invoke-rc.d at all |
| 07:07.11 | pentium451 | hcy: ya, hook up minicom, and you may need null-modem cables etc... pita |
| 07:07.11 | apacker | jtd: no, exagerrating. but it was a PITA |
| 07:07.27 | Guerin | apacker: the only reason I can think of for that is that you're stupid. |
| 07:07.28 | hcy | pentium451: ok i'm apt-getting minicom |
| 07:07.29 | dondelelcaro | apacker: just rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/alsa-modules-2.6.3-1-686.postrm; and be done with it. |
| 07:07.33 | bob2 | hah |
| 07:07.34 | nvz | took me less than a galactic standard week to setup ALSA |
| 07:07.36 | bob2 | simpler |
| 07:07.41 | bob2 | man |
| 07:07.45 | bob2 | people make it too complicated |
| 07:07.52 | bob2 | install hotplug. install 2.6 kernel. enjoy hot alsa love. |
| 07:07.53 | apacker | Guerin, oh yeah? what if I had a *really* old soundcard? and I did it back before when setting up ALSA was "easy" ? |
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| 07:07.57 | rixth | What can I do if it says nlst not implmented when I try and use mget? |
| 07:07.57 | Guerin | which is demonstrated by the fact that you randomly deleted a critical config file without knowing what it did |
| 07:08.04 | hcy | pentium451: i'm able to run a upsmon program on my dell laptop (running debian) so I know that stuff does come in through the serial port |
| 07:08.08 | torc | is there any easy way to disable reboot on ctrl-alt-del on console? |
| 07:08.12 | apacker | bob2, will deleting that file as dondelelcaro suggest DTRT? |
| 07:08.18 | dondelelcaro | torc: yes, fix your inittab |
| 07:08.23 | sanxiyn | What's DTRT? |
| 07:08.23 | bob2 | rixth: perhaps other clients implement it differenly; lftp is neat. |
| 07:08.25 | torc | dondek: thx. |
| 07:08.29 | bob2 | apacker: yeah |
| 07:08.30 | nvz | dondelelcaro: heh :) I usually tweak em.. I never thought of removing them. |
| 07:08.33 | torc | err, dondelelcaro thx. |
| 07:08.33 | Guerin | apacker: me too. Took me my first three days of using linux to get my isapnp opl3sa2 working. |
| 07:08.35 | apacker | Guerin, I deleted it? actually, apt-get did. |
| 07:08.41 | rixth | bob2, this is just plain ftp. I'll take a look at lftp |
| 07:08.45 | Guerin | apacker: apt-get never deletes init scripts |
| 07:08.45 | pentium451 | hcy: I suppose you could use the dell to monitor the stream (?) |
| 07:08.47 | apacker | Guerin, you are so smart can i have your babies? |
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| 07:08.47 | bob2 | apacker: (it stops it doing all the cleanups it would have, instead of just stopping the one that is fucked) |
| 07:08.58 | bob2 | Guerin: does with --purge |
| 07:08.59 | pentium451 | hcy: and THEN work on the sparc |
| 07:09.00 | apacker | Guerin, you think I did it? I'm stupid, remember? I just used apt-get. |
| 07:09.02 | Guerin | apacker: unless you tell it to, in which case the package would have been removed. |
| 07:09.03 | bob2 | nvz: heh, me either |
| 07:09.05 | dondelelcaro | nvz: yeah; occasionally you have to read them to clean up diversions and the ilk.. but normally you can just ditch them |
| 07:09.09 | hcy | pentium451: yeah that's what i'm trying to do now |
| 07:09.24 | hcy | pentium451: even on the dell, cat /dev/ttyS0 doesn't give me anything |
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| 07:09.37 | Guerin | apacker: my babies are already spoken for, by someone who doesn't randomly delete config files. |
| 07:09.45 | nvz | I had installed that 3rd party LTmodem deb and it got hung up on removal.. I just changed the exit code |
| 07:09.56 | dondelelcaro | nvz: hehehe |
| 07:10.04 | jtd | ftp ftp.kernel.org |
| 07:10.09 | jtd | er |
| 07:10.11 | jtd | sorry |
| 07:10.17 | dondelelcaro | lftp! |
| 07:10.17 | apacker | Guerin, out of true curiosity why should I not have typed "apt-get remove alsa-base" if I wanted to get ALSA off my system? |
| 07:10.26 | pentium451 | hcy: may be waiting for RTS etc |
| 07:10.34 | Toolah | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:10.35 | tct | After playing around with linux for the last 2 hours its time to go back to windows. At least it 'just works' |
| 07:10.41 | dondelelcaro | apacker: because that's just the userland binaries and other stuff; alsa is primarily a set of kernel modules. |
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| 07:10.53 | rixth | Is there a way to run Photoshop CS2 under Linux |
| 07:10.54 | jtd | tct: use Ubuntu. you'll feel much better, i promise. |
| 07:11.02 | hcy | pentium451: i have minicom running, what should i do? |
| 07:11.07 | bob2 | apacker: Guerin is right in the sense that just 'apt-get remove' will not remove init scripts |
| 07:11.09 | sanxiyn | rixth: Try wine if you really need to. |
| 07:11.10 | bob2 | apacker: only --purge will |
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| 07:11.21 | Guerin | apacker: the problem isn't that you did that; the problem is that sometime BEFORE you did that, you deleted /etc/init.d/alsa-something |
| 07:11.26 | pentium451 | hcy: iirc... ^Ah for help |
| 07:11.28 | apacker | I did not even know purge was an option, so I definitely did not do that. |
| 07:11.34 | Guerin | apacker: whether you realise it or not, that's the problem. |
| 07:11.38 | jtd | so what else removes init scripts? |
| 07:11.40 | kevix | rixth, /join #winehq |
| 07:11.45 | sanxiyn | rixth: See also http://appdb.winehq.org/search.php?q=photoshop |
| 07:11.48 | rixth | kevix, hanks |
| 07:12.00 | Dewi | jtd: bash :P |
| 07:12.02 | rixth | sanxiyn, thanks also :) |
| 07:12.04 | hcy | pentium451: what should i be looking for in help though? i'm not sure what i want to do in minicom |
| 07:12.06 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: actually, in this case, it's probably alsa-base providing alsa or similar, and the stupid modules which are totally outdated calling it instaed of alsa-base |
| 07:12.06 | pentium451 | hcy: there are options to configure... like which port and hardware handshake etc |
| 07:12.15 | jtd | dondelelcaro: what were you talking about re: lftp? |
| 07:12.16 | bob2 | jtd: rm |
| 07:12.17 | kevix | rixth, have you tried gimp? |
| 07:12.21 | jtd | bob2: heh |
| 07:12.27 | sanxiyn | Hm, indeed it has "Getting CS2 to work" howto. |
| 07:12.28 | apacker | Guerin, I am admittedly too much of a n00b to delete anything in /etc or anywhere nearby... how could I even have done this? |
| 07:12.32 | sanxiyn | Wine AppDB, I mean. |
| 07:12.38 | Toolah | pentium451, using cardctl, I ejected the module and then reset cardctl and then inserted again and this time I only have lo and eth0 so everything looks normal again but still can't get eth0 to see the dhcp server |
| 07:12.39 | dondelelcaro | jtd: a "suggestion" that you use lftp instead of ftp. |
| 07:12.40 | rixth | kevix, yeah, been using it for a while, there are just some must have things I can't live without. |
| 07:12.44 | Guerin | apacker: things like this don't happen of their own accord. |
| 07:12.49 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: never heard of that happening. |
| 07:12.53 | rixth | This is basically hinging on me going back to Window. |
| 07:13.03 | jtd | dondelelcaro: why's it better? |
| 07:13.08 | bob2 | alsu-tuils should just go away so people stop trying to use it |
| 07:13.10 | Guerin | !best ftp client |
| 07:13.10 | dpkg | [best ftp client] lftp |
| 07:13.11 | pentium451 | Toolah: manually configure it for now to make sure everything is okey dokey |
| 07:13.11 | bob2 | and the init scripts |
| 07:13.16 | apacker | Guerin, do you think it is within the realm of possibility that *someone* besides me programmed *something* to delete it, perhaps not thinking anyone would try to remove things in this way? |
| 07:13.17 | bob2 | deprecate 2.4 kernels already! |
| 07:13.17 | jtd | heh |
| 07:13.32 | Toolah | pentium451, how? |
| 07:13.40 | Guerin | apacker: anything's possible; but I know what *I* think is more likely. |
| 07:14.03 | pentium451 | Toolah: ifconfig eth0 192.168.240.69 |
| 07:14.05 | omi | sorry somewhat out of topic questions, can someone tell me of top of their head how to read string of arbitrary length in ANSI C? |
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| 07:14.21 | kevix | apacker, did you edit the postrm file? did it not work? |
| 07:14.22 | Guerin | omi: #c can |
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| 07:14.33 | Toolah | pentium451, okies, how do I do the dns and routing again? |
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| 07:14.42 | apacker | kevix, deleted postrm file, apt-get now does die miserably because of my "stupidity" |
| 07:14.44 | Gnea | !beer dondelelcaro |
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| 07:14.49 | bob2 | omi: I'd think realloc() was the key, or using a more complicated string format than char* |
| 07:14.52 | apacker | kevix, sorry, now does NOT die |
| 07:15.11 | bob2 | jtd: post-removal script |
| 07:15.17 | jtd | ah. |
| 07:15.21 | hcy | pentium451: the program seems to be for modem stuff. i just want serial port stuff, there's no modem |
| 07:15.28 | pentium451 | Toolah: route add default gw 192.168.0.1 |
| 07:15.28 | dondelelcaro | jtd: it gets run when the package is being removed (or upgraded) |
| 07:15.30 | bob2 | jtd: the script included in .debs that dpkg runs after it's removed a package's files; it's supposed to clean up whatever is left |
| 07:15.33 | omi | I know how to code it myself, I was just curious if there's a method that does it, but year realloc does the trick |
| 07:15.35 | Gnea | jtd: it's used by packages when they get removed - cleans themselves up, basically |
| 07:15.44 | kevix | jtd, visit /var/lib/dpkg/info/ and see all the various files! |
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| 07:15.49 | Toolah | pentium451, nope, got an error: "SIOCSIFADDR: No such device" |
| 07:16.00 | jtd | kevix: ok! |
| 07:16.03 | hcy | pentium451: i can't get minicom to do anything |
| 07:16.09 | pentium451 | Toolah: echo nameserver 192.168.69.87 >> /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 07:16.26 | jtd | that's a lot of crap. |
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| 07:16.37 | kevix | jtd, its important crap! |
| 07:16.45 | pentium451 | hcy: ^Ao for configure... try ttyS1 ? |
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| 07:17.05 | Guerin | !why exim |
| 07:17.07 | Gnea | because exim > sendmail |
| 07:17.08 | Guerin | !why exim4 |
| 07:17.09 | jtd | hah |
| 07:17.14 | hcy | pentium451: yeah, ttyS0 is no better |
| 07:17.14 | Guerin | damnit |
| 07:17.17 | kevix | jtd, Debian has defaults. things it like to install. |
| 07:17.22 | jtd | how about !why not postfix? ;) |
| 07:17.24 | Guerin | i know there's a link for that |
| 07:17.35 | bob2 | are there reasons not to use postfix? |
| 07:17.41 | jtd | sure. |
| 07:17.43 | kevix | jtd, you can install what youu like! |
| 07:17.45 | jtd | if you don't want a mail server. |
| 07:17.47 | pentium451 | Toolah: got that error on which step? |
| 07:17.48 | jtd | :D |
| 07:17.58 | Gnea | jtd: exim's cool, you can tell it to just perform local deliveries (even better with exim4) so that it won't tie into any outside network |
| 07:18.01 | dondelelcaro | if you don't want a mail server (the general case) use nullmailer or esmtp. |
| 07:18.10 | Toolah | pentium451, first, doing ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.101 |
| 07:18.16 | Guerin | dpkg, no, why exim4 is <reply> http://resiak.dyndns.org/~will/logloglog/?m=single&qid=31 |
| 07:18.16 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 07:18.18 | jtd | Gnea: hard to do with postfix? |
| 07:18.23 | Guerin | that's why exim4 ^ |
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| 07:18.54 | sanxiyn | jtd: Not really. |
| 07:18.54 | Toolah | pentium451, I just googled that error and forum said its because the module is not loaded - but lsmod tells me it is |
| 07:18.58 | pentium451 | Toolah: check for module params... sounds like a driver or hardware problem |
| 07:19.00 | sanxiyn | jtd: Just install postfix and configure it your way. |
| 07:19.47 | jtd | Guerin: that link is awesome |
| 07:19.54 | Guerin | ain't it |
| 07:20.02 | Gnea | jtd: yeah - dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config just follow the prompts, select what you need and bam. postfix you have to look up and read docs and type everything in - granted, that's the *REAL ADMIN* way of doing it, but exim4 also implements spamassassin much easier than postfix does. |
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| 07:20.41 | jtd | wow |
| 07:20.48 | jtd | decompressed linux kernel source is *BIG* |
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| 07:21.04 | pentium451 | I'm *still* waiting for my smail to let go of the fact that my DNS was down for a while ! bummer ! |
| 07:21.05 | kevix | jtd, it has a lot to say! |
| 07:21.13 | jtd | or maybe it just makes really complicated structures in my filesystem |
| 07:21.36 | jtd | because I did rm -rf linux-2.4.19-whatever and my computer was like "go have some coffee, it'll be a while" |
| 07:21.41 | pentium451 | I'd hate to just reboot... sounds extreem |
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| 07:21.51 | sanxiyn | jtd: A good filesystem benchmark. :-) |
| 07:21.56 | jtd | heh |
| 07:21.56 | Toolah | pentium451, doing a reboot ... =/ |
| 07:21.57 | jtd | indeed. |
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| 07:22.06 | jtd | (ext3, in this case) |
| 07:22.10 | Toolah | pentium451, used to work and have not changed anything |
| 07:22.17 | pentium451 | Toolah: guess it's time to |
| 07:22.30 | encompass | if I want to create a bash line to look for errors in rsync I would do something like this right?... |
| 07:22.39 | pentium451 | right |
| 07:22.39 | sanxiyn | No, really, I remember "decompressing Linux Kernel source" used as pseudo-benchmark for filesystem. |
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| 07:22.50 | encompass | rsync -v bla bla bla | grep error |
| 07:23.04 | encompass | cause I am looking for the word error |
| 07:23.07 | compgrokker | jtd, compressed kernel source is huge, too |
| 07:23.08 | pentium451 | *something* like that |
| 07:23.13 | encompass | would it work? |
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| 07:23.28 | pentium451 | you may miss Error |
| 07:23.48 | pentium451 | try grep -i to ignore case |
| 07:23.50 | encompass | so use the [Ee] |
| 07:23.55 | encompass | or that |
| 07:23.56 | encompass | cool |
| 07:23.57 | Guerin | encompass: grep 'somestringyouknowrsyncmarksallerrorlineswith' |
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| 07:24.31 | encompass | ok but I a curious if it is the pipe |
| 07:24.34 | encompass | that I would use |
| 07:24.34 | pentium451 | you will still miss 'OMG: fatal' lines |
| 07:24.44 | SimonRaven | whyareyoutypinglikethat? |
| 07:24.46 | kevix | encompass, you can use 'script' or > error.log to make a file you can search. |
| 07:24.50 | encompass | I don't you get that in rsync |
| 07:24.50 | pentium451 | ya the pipe is good |
| 07:24.55 | kadigibox | I have Java installed and I have opera installed but Opera says I don't have JRE |
| 07:24.59 | encompass | with rsync? |
| 07:24.59 | Gnea | encompass: you want to find the word 'error' out of whatever it is you're backing up? |
| 07:25.06 | encompass | I am trying to make error logs |
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| 07:25.13 | pentium451 | but you only get one shot at it with the pipe |
| 07:25.15 | Gnea | ah |
| 07:25.19 | kadigibox | Is that something to do with how debian deals with java? |
| 07:25.24 | encompass | yes |
| 07:25.37 | Gnea | kadigibox: depends how you installed java |
| 07:25.38 | sanxiyn | kadigibox: Just tell Opera where Java is. |
| 07:25.38 | Guerin | kadigibox: how did you install java? |
| 07:25.53 | encompass | my clients may have problems rsyncing.. so I want my script to automaticly creat a log file WHEN there is an error |
| 07:25.53 | pentium451 | rsync -v bla bla & |
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| 07:26.11 | encompass | why the & |
| 07:26.12 | kevix | kadigibox , check here: http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian?focusedCommentId=4442 |
| 07:26.13 | pentium451 | oops |
| 07:26.16 | kadigibox | I installed java with that fakeroot thing |
| 07:26.18 | Guerin | encompass: make it log to a file and delete the log file if it exits without error |
| 07:26.18 | Gnea | encompass: rsync -v bla blah >> rsync.log 2>&1 |
| 07:26.25 | nvz | SimonRaven: wetalklikethiswhenwedon'twanttoconfusethecommandlineparser |
| 07:26.27 | pentium451 | rsync -v bla bla > log.file & |
| 07:26.28 | encompass | That is my plan |
| 07:26.30 | songzi | hello everybody |
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| 07:26.42 | encompass | but they want to see the sync as it goes |
| 07:26.43 | pentium451 | if it takes long you can tail -f log.file |
| 07:26.46 | encompass | will that work? |
| 07:26.51 | Gnea | encompass: i usually throw that into a shell script and tell crontab to run it every so often |
| 07:26.58 | Guerin | encompass: tee |
| 07:27.06 | pentium451 | tee is cool |
| 07:27.11 | encompass | tee? |
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| 07:27.14 | Guerin | tee |
| 07:27.14 | pentium451 | man tee |
| 07:27.21 | SimonRaven | nvz: hehe |
| 07:27.23 | kevix | nvz, WhatAboutUsingAWikiLikeSyntax? |
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| 07:27.28 | pentium451 | basic plumbing |
| 07:27.28 | Guerin | SimonRaven: itym teehee |
| 07:27.31 | encompass | tee!! |
| 07:27.36 | encompass | that is the answer! |
| 07:27.43 | Gnea | tee could do it too |
| 07:27.46 | encompass | so very cool |
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| 07:27.55 | jtd | well |
| 07:27.56 | pentium451 | tee is sweet ? |
| 07:27.57 | encompass | so it will log and dispay my file at the same time? |
| 07:27.58 | jtd | this is interesting |
| 07:28.02 | encompass | haha |
| 07:28.03 | pentium451 | jup |
| 07:28.05 | encompass | with sugar |
| 07:28.05 | Guerin | encompass: amazingly |
| 07:28.08 | Gnea | tee is sweet with honey |
| 07:28.13 | jtd | no |
| 07:28.18 | pentium451 | man honey: no such |
| 07:28.22 | jtd | tee, a drink with jam and BREEAAAAAAD |
| 07:28.24 | sanxiyn | kadigibox: http://www.opera.com/support/search/supsearch.dml?index=459 |
| 07:28.26 | SimonRaven | ldapAtrributesAndObjectClassesAreWrittenThisWayToo |
| 07:28.29 | pentium451 | DOH! |
| 07:28.30 | nvz | or useful on the golf course |
| 07:28.30 | Guerin | honey > sugar; except rum > mead |
| 07:28.30 | Gnea | it's a secret source stash ;) |
| 07:28.33 | sanxiyn | "Enabling Java in Opera for Linux" |
| 07:28.35 | encompass | a dear |
| 07:28.41 | Guerin | so sugar still has a place in this world |
| 07:28.42 | sanxiyn | Linked from http://www.opera.com/docs/, if you're curious. |
| 07:28.44 | jtd | I'm not sure if run > mead actually |
| 07:28.52 | SimonRaven | g'night |
| 07:28.53 | jtd | er, rum |
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| 07:28.58 | encompass | gnight |
| 07:28.59 | Guerin | rum definitely > mead |
| 07:29.02 | jtd | I had some amazing mead in Ireland once |
| 07:29.06 | Guerin | and I don't dislike mead |
| 07:29.12 | sanxiyn | kadigibox: Tools > Preferences > Advanced >Content > Java options > Java path |
| 07:29.14 | kevix | encompass, a female dear ... |
| 07:29.20 | jtd | you must drink really good rum, Guerin. |
| 07:29.36 | pentium451 | raden: a drop of golden sun |
| 07:29.36 | jtd | however, tequila ueber alles. |
| 07:29.37 | Guerin | jtd: when I can, which is rarely in asia. |
| 07:29.55 | compgrokker | nah, scotch > * |
| 07:29.56 | Guerin | thai rum (which they call whiskey, fooling nobody) is pretty good shit |
| 07:29.57 | jtd | Guerin: where are you? |
| 07:30.03 | jtd | ah. |
| 07:30.04 | pentium451 | in the basement |
| 07:30.05 | jtd | thailand. |
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| 07:30.08 | Guerin | not good in terms of quality, but it has some mojo about it |
| 07:30.12 | Guerin | jtd: ko-rea |
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| 07:30.25 | jtd | ah. for business, I assume? |
| 07:30.27 | Guerin | but they don't have rum here |
| 07:30.37 | Guerin | jtd: life's for living, not for business |
| 07:30.52 | jtd | 'strewth. |
| 07:30.58 | songzi | life's for living .. good |
| 07:31.16 | jtd | one still must be able to MAKE that living, however (and I don't mean make config) |
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| 07:31.46 | k-dog | Anyone know WTF GNOME's done to its default theme recently in testing/unstable? |
| 07:31.47 | Guerin | with meagre but sufficient success |
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| 07:32.03 | Guerin | k-dog: haha, you use gnome. |
| 07:32.09 | sanxiyn | k-dog: Nothing? |
| 07:32.18 | k-dog | Guerin: I use galeon. |
| 07:32.20 | jtd | Gnome is lovely! |
| 07:32.25 | k-dog | Guerin: ... and it's gone all earth-toned on me. |
| 07:32.26 | Guerin | k-dog: you poor bastard |
| 07:32.27 | sanxiyn | Ah, you use Galeon. |
| 07:32.28 | jtd | Admittedly i haven't tried KDE in a while |
| 07:32.30 | jtd | but still |
| 07:32.40 | kadigibox | Thanks everyone |
| 07:32.41 | jtd | k-dog: that sounds like Ubuntu wankery. |
| 07:32.48 | Guerin | gnome would be lovely if it just minded its own damn business |
| 07:32.49 | k-dog | Guerin: Despite the best efforts of the developers ... |
| 07:32.53 | sanxiyn | Galeon won't be developed any more. Sadness. |
| 07:32.53 | jtd | (which is not to say I dislike Ubuntu, because I heart it) |
| 07:32.58 | k-dog | Guerin: ... it's still the least annoying browser I know. |
| 07:33.12 | Guerin | firefox wins that prize for me |
| 07:33.13 | jtd | Galeon's been abandoned? |
| 07:33.17 | k-dog | Guerin: ... but it's being raped and gutted into epiphany. |
| 07:33.19 | sanxiyn | jtd: Yes. |
| 07:33.19 | k-dog | jtd: Yes. |
| 07:33.22 | compgrokker | k-dog: firefox is annoying? |
| 07:33.23 | jtd | ;_; |
| 07:33.23 | sanxiyn | k-dog: Exactly. |
| 07:33.41 | k-dog | compgrokker: Galeon does better tabs and bookmarks, is more overall responsive. |
| 07:33.46 | compgrokker | ah ok |
| 07:33.48 | Guerin | i tried to use epiphany, but it was like driving an automatic |
| 07:33.56 | sanxiyn | Guerin: Haha |
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| 07:34.11 | k-dog | Guerin: I thought it was more like driving a soft plush cushion myself. |
| 07:34.12 | sanxiyn | Some prefers driving an automatic. |
| 07:34.16 | pentium451 | emacs browses ok! |
| 07:34.29 | k-dog | Guerin: ... all of it felt very comfortable, but it wasn't anywhere _near_ doing what the fuck I wanted it to do. |
| 07:34.32 | Guerin | sanxiyn: people who don't like driving, yeah. |
| 07:34.34 | jtd | I wanted a standard hybrid, but they're too damn expensive |
| 07:34.35 | nvz | I havent seen galeon since they started rewriting the interface for GTK2 at the time most of the key features were made inaccessible from the UI and I stopped using it |
| 07:34.57 | llama32 | anyone know of alternative desktop environments, possibly with a different purpose or ideas to KDE/Gnome? i know about gnustep, rox, xfce... |
| 07:35.00 | compgrokker | all i drive is an automatic-- drove my fiance's (standard) truck and hit my mailbox >.< |
| 07:35.03 | Phated | openbox. |
| 07:35.10 | jtd | I actually wanted to get a Prius and turn it into a Prius+. |
| 07:35.14 | Guerin | llama32: *box, ion* |
| 07:35.14 | Phated | Which... isn't a DE, sorry. |
| 07:35.16 | k-dog | nvz: It was royally bastardized in the 1.2 => 1.3 cutover. It's only really become usable again in the past 6 months. And now being abandoned. |
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| 07:35.34 | Phated | Ello. |
| 07:35.44 | Phated | Ah, karsten. :) |
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| 07:35.59 | k-dog | Phated: Oi. |
| 07:36.04 | compgrokker | llama32: blackbox, fluxbox, icewm |
| 07:36.15 | nvz | k-dog: gnome has epiphany how many browsers does on need |
| 07:36.20 | Kovecses | they have some cool debian stuff on gnome-look.org |
| 07:36.23 | compgrokker | which also is not a de |
| 07:36.26 | jtd | Then I would have added solar panels to it, called it a Prius++, and then I suddenly would have had two cars instead of one. |
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| 07:36.26 | sanxiyn | nvz: A good one. |
| 07:36.26 | kevix | k-dog, I use kazehakase! |
| 07:36.29 | Guerin | in NZ there's a lwa that if you get your license driving an automatic, you can't use it to drive a manual - the reverse isn't true, so nobody bothers with automatics unless they have no choice |
| 07:36.31 | nvz | s/on/one gnome/ |
| 07:36.56 | bob2 | same here |
| 07:37.02 | jtd | Guerin, where are you from originally? |
| 07:37.03 | bob2 | but after a year you get a manual one anyway |
| 07:37.05 | sanxiyn | Guerin: Same in Korea, as far as I know. |
| 07:37.09 | Guerin | jtd: nu zullun |
| 07:37.10 | k-dog | nvz: One *good* browser. |
| 07:37.11 | bob2 | without actually demonstrating that you can drive one, ever |
| 07:37.22 | k-dog | nvz: Google for "linux browsers". That's my piece. |
| 07:37.25 | jtd | one browser to rule them all, etc. etc. |
| 07:37.32 | Guerin | sanxiyn: yeah, koreans seem to not mind driving cars with real transmission |
| 07:37.41 | EvilSporkMan | why would shutdown give multiple warnings that the system is shutting down? I ran "sudo shutdown -h +20" from console while burning a dvd at console and no warning was broadcast for 5 minutes (and then the warning said 15 minutes remaining), and 3 additional warnigs were broadcast at 9, 8, and 7 minutes. this seems suspcious to me. |
| 07:37.45 | Guerin | (not that it helps their driving) |
| 07:37.50 | jtd | ugh, Konqueror |
| 07:37.59 | Toolah | pentium451, well, stilll no luck but now I can manually configure without errors |
| 07:38.11 | nvz | k-dog: real men speak HTTP protocol and use ip addresses! heh |
| 07:38.21 | pentium451 | Last try B4 I gotta reboot: smail won't let me send... "Domain of sender does not exist"; my DNS was down but is back now... can I kick it in the head somehow? |
| 07:38.24 | compgrokker | 'night all |
| 07:38.29 | Kovecses | rox-filer is a good lightweight browser |
| 07:38.32 | jtd | nvz: real men use telnet www.host.com 80 |
| 07:38.33 | sanxiyn | nvz: Sure, but how about HTML? |
| 07:38.43 | k-dog | nvz: Sure. I do netcat. |
| 07:38.48 | nvz | sanxiyn: I programmed emacs to do it.. heh </kidding> |
| 07:38.49 | bob2 | pentium451: have you restarted it? |
| 07:38.52 | Guerin | bob2: anecdote re. wife's uncle, moved from NZ to brisbane. Lookig for a car for wife and daughter - the salesman wouldn't sell them a manual transmission car because 'sheilas can't drive manual mate' |
| 07:39.05 | k-dog | nvz: ... but interpolating CSS _and_ javascript in my head at the end of a long day is occaisionally error prone. |
| 07:39.06 | pentium451 | bob2: why didn't I think of that? |
| 07:39.11 | k-dog | nvz: ... usually, though, they're funnies. |
| 07:39.16 | Toolah | pentium451, I put my nameserver into /etc/resolv.conf, did the route add default gw, and ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.101 - no errors but will not resolve hostnames |
| 07:39.20 | kevix | Kovecses, how about dillo? |
| 07:39.22 | bob2 | Guerin: haha |
| 07:39.28 | bob2 | Guerin: queenslanders are like that |
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| 07:39.41 | sanxiyn | k-dog: Do you use HTTP conditional GET with temporary E-tag store in your brain? |
| 07:39.54 | Toolah | pentium451, nor can I ping my dhcp server |
| 07:40.08 | k-dog | sanxiyn: better than that, I've got a predictive reverse-caching proxy installed. |
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| 07:40.22 | Guerin | !fixresolvconf |
| 07:40.22 | dpkg | ISP fucking with your /etc/resolv.conf file? Don't worry! just do echo -e "nameserver 4.2.2.1nnameserver 168.126.63.1" > /etc/resolv.conf && chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf; as root, and your problems will be solved (permanently) |
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| 07:40.30 | pentium451 | Toolah: can you talk to anybody? |
| 07:40.33 | Guerin | Toolah: just do the first bit of that (before the &&) |
| 07:40.35 | bob2 | wtf |
| 07:41.03 | k-dog | bob2: What, that ban? |
| 07:41.32 | k-dog | sanxiyn: Transparencies. |
| 07:41.34 | nvz | k-dog: that wasnt a ban |
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| 07:41.44 | pentium451 | bob2: can't restart... it's inetd |
| 07:41.50 | k-dog | sanxiyn: ... alpha blending in the mind's I. |
| 07:41.55 | bob2 | pentium451: oh, that's not the problem then |
| 07:42.00 | bob2 | pentium451: dunno, never used smail |
| 07:42.07 | k-dog | nvz: What was it? |
| 07:42.07 | pentium451 | bob2: ya, but thanks |
| 07:42.10 | bob2 | k-dog: using the immutable flag to configure your dhcp client |
| 07:42.16 | sanxiyn | k-dog: Is it related to alpha brainwave? |
| 07:42.18 | nvz | k-dog: a quiet |
| 07:42.19 | k-dog | bob2: Right ;-) |
| 07:42.29 | k-dog | sanxiyn: No, I gave those up for lent. |
| 07:42.39 | k-dog | nvz: OK. |
| 07:42.45 | Guerin | bob2: the trouble is that ti can be dhcp or ppp, etc. |
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| 07:43.07 | k-dog | So, supposing I wanted to use an 802.11g PCMCIA card I've aquired, what would I want to install, Debian-wise? |
| 07:43.11 | Guerin | bob2: i found adding prepend to /etc/dhclient.conf worked unreliably |
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| 07:43.30 | Guerin | though I can't be sure it's not my isp, so I can't really file a bug |
| 07:43.41 | nuck | hi how do i install an rpm file? thanks |
| 07:43.48 | sanxiyn | nuck: You don't. |
| 07:43.50 | k-dog | nuck: alien it. |
| 07:43.50 | Guerin | nuck: if you're wise, you don't |
| 07:44.04 | kevix | k-dog, setup /etc/network/interfaces for dhpc. use correct kernel moduels. |
| 07:44.04 | nuck | what do you mean? |
| 07:44.08 | bob2 | Guerin: hm, interesting |
| 07:44.28 | pentium451 | nuck: rpm's don't follow the debian policy |
| 07:44.34 | bob2 | nuck: what is it? |
| 07:44.35 | nuck | i am trying to run an app which requires ./sdalogon: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 07:44.36 | k-dog | kevix: I thought there were some seperate wvlan management packages for a while, yes or no? |
| 07:44.43 | Guerin | !redhat crap |
| 07:44.43 | dpkg | from memory, redhat crap is 'apt-get install libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1' if you get 'libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file' (get it from woody if you use sarge or sid), or ** NEW redhat crap! If you're missing libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3, it's in woody's libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 package (get it from oldstable/woody archives since it's obsolete) |
| 07:44.50 | bob2 | dang, too slow |
| 07:44.59 | Guerin | bob2: sorry :) |
| 07:45.07 | Gnea | stupid question: how does one load an irssi script? /load evilution.theme comes back with: Irssi: Error loading module evilution/core: /usr/lib/irssi/modules/libevilution_core.theme.so: cannot open shared object file: No such |
| 07:45.11 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:45.28 | Guerin | Gnea: does it lie? |
| 07:45.29 | k-dog | nuck: What's the package? Best bet is to find a Debian package, or if you can't, use alien to convert it to a .deb and install that. |
| 07:45.35 | kevix | k-dog, yea. and wireless-tools or somesuch (for iwconfig,iwlist,etc.) |
| 07:45.46 | Gnea | Guerin: there's no mention of the shared file there |
| 07:45.50 | k-dog | kevix: Danke. |
| 07:45.56 | Guerin | Gnea: /run is for scripts, I think |
| 07:46.05 | Guerin | load is for something else |
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| 07:46.14 | Guerin | unsure about themes |
| 07:46.22 | k-dog | bob2: BTW, I was still getting that untrusted packages message I mentioned in -devel yesterday, after importing the Debian upload key into root's keyring. |
| 07:46.34 | bob2 | k-dog: hm |
| 07:46.43 | bob2 | k-dog: did you put it into apt's keyring with apt-key? |
| 07:46.50 | bob2 | Gnea: /set theme blah |
| 07:47.05 | bob2 | Gnea: if it's ~/.irssi/blah.theme |
| 07:47.07 | nuck | k-dog i tried looking up the libstdc++ package but theres none in debian at least i cant find it |
| 07:47.18 | bob2 | nuck: read what the bot said |
| 07:47.28 | nuck | i tried the apt-get with the ff error E: Couldn't find package libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1 |
| 07:47.35 | Gnea | oh sweet |
| 07:47.36 | Guerin | nuck: follow the instructions above |
| 07:47.37 | bob2 | nuck: yes, read what the bot said |
| 07:47.43 | bob2 | (get it from woody if you use sarge or sid) |
| 07:48.00 | nuck | bot? you mean the apt-get? |
| 07:48.14 | nuck | am using hoary ubuntu 5.04 |
| 07:48.15 | sanxiyn | !redhat crap |
| 07:48.15 | dpkg | i guess redhat crap is 'apt-get install libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1' if you get 'libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file' (get it from woody if you use sarge or sid), or ** NEW redhat crap! If you're missing libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3, it's in woody's libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 package (get it from oldstable/woody archives since it's obsolete) |
| 07:48.16 | Gnea | Guerin: say something to me please |
| 07:48.17 | sanxiyn | ... |
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| 07:48.24 | Guerin | Gnea: STFU n00b |
| 07:48.25 | sanxiyn | nuck: Can you read |
| 07:48.29 | Gnea | hrm |
| 07:48.37 | Gnea | interesting color scheme this is |
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| 07:48.58 | Kovecses | Gnea, your no n00b |
| 07:49.03 | nuck | sanxiyn yes am trying to understand what you guys are saying |
| 07:49.06 | bob2 | nuck: a) #ubuntu |
| 07:49.08 | Gnea | yeah i know |
| 07:49.10 | Gnea | :) |
| 07:49.14 | bob2 | nuck: b) read what the bot 'dpkg' said in here |
| 07:49.16 | k-dog | bob2: Um. I think so. Wasn't there a factoid on that? |
| 07:49.17 | Guerin | nuck: 1) go ask your questions in #ubuntu 2) download the package above from packages.debian.org |
| 07:49.18 | bob2 | nuck: c) #ubuntu |
| 07:49.25 | Toolah | Guerin, is there supposed to be the double n in the second nameserver? |
| 07:49.26 | Guerin | bob2: this is weird |
| 07:49.36 | Guerin | Toolah: that echo line is correct |
| 07:49.37 | nuck | ah the bot is dpkg |
| 07:49.41 | Guerin | Toolah: \n means newline |
| 07:49.43 | bob2 | k-dog: gpg --export 0x12345678 | sudo apt-key add - |
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| 07:49.52 | sanxiyn | Guerin: Apparently, slash is stripped somehow. |
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| 07:50.05 | k-dog | bob2: Is there a way to check if it's in apt-key? |
| 07:50.06 | Guerin | !fixresolvconf |
| 07:50.06 | dpkg | ISP fucking with your /etc/resolv.conf file? Don't worry! just do echo -e "nameserver 4.2.2.1nnameserver 168.126.63.1" > /etc/resolv.conf && chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf; as root, and your problems will be solved (permanently) |
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| 07:50.11 | Guerin | wtf |
| 07:50.26 | kevix | k-dog, this is one example: http://www.jfroche.be/personal/jfroche/vgn-a117s/WirelessInterface |
| 07:50.26 | sanxiyn | 4.2.2.1\nnameserver |
| 07:50.28 | jtd | what's 168.126.63.1? an A root? |
| 07:50.29 | pentium451 | I see no backslash |
| 07:50.39 | sanxiyn | jtd: Ignore it. Korean name server. |
| 07:50.44 | jtd | ah. |
| 07:50.59 | bob2 | Guerin: hm? |
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| 07:51.05 | jtd | you know |
| 07:51.08 | Guerin | dpkg, fixresolvconf =~ s#nn#\nn# |
| 07:51.09 | dpkg | Guerin: OK |
| 07:51.18 | Guerin | !fixresolvconf |
| 07:51.18 | dpkg | ISP fucking with your /etc/resolv.conf file? Don't worry! just do echo -e "nameserver 4.2.2.1\nnameserver 168.126.63.1" > /etc/resolv.conf && chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf; as root, and your problems will be solved (permanently) |
| 07:51.20 | jtd | you'd think Linux would compile faster than this on a 2.5GHz Xeon |
| 07:51.22 | Guerin | better |
| 07:51.33 | k-dog | bob2: What's the apt upload key ID? |
| 07:51.36 | bob2 | jtd: disk will be your bottleneck, I'd think |
| 07:51.41 | Guerin | bob2: we appear to be thinking the same again |
| 07:51.56 | Toolah | Guerin, I can't even ping my server at 192.168.0.1 - think I have bigger probs than DNS |
| 07:52.07 | bob2 | k-dog: 4F368D5D, afaik |
| 07:52.09 | Guerin | Toolah: oh, ok. |
| 07:52.14 | bob2 | Guerin: oh, heh |
| 07:52.19 | pentium451 | Toolah: cat /proc/net/dev |
| 07:52.19 | bob2 | Guerin: I need to get back off irc |
| 07:52.27 | jtd | bob2: it's super-dooper-omg-wow-SCSI or something (U160, I guess?) but yeah I guess so |
| 07:52.28 | Toolah | pentium451, any other ideas? |
| 07:52.55 | sanxiyn | 4F368D5D. |
| 07:53.08 | jtd | c'monnnn |
| 07:53.12 | bob2 | jtd: oh, maybe not then |
| 07:53.20 | Gnea | bob2: i rediscovered the concept of swimming tonight |
| 07:53.27 | k-dog | bob2: Danke. I think I had that. I'll keep an eye on it. |
| 07:53.30 | pentium451 | Toolah: does your /proc/net/dev list errors? |
| 07:53.37 | Toolah | pentium451, err - mess? bunch of 0's all over the place, but basically lo and eth0 |
| 07:53.54 | pentium451 | Toolah: stretch that xterm out! |
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| 07:54.02 | jtd | I should ssh back into this box and find out what flavor of SCSI it is |
| 07:54.28 | jtd | WOOHOO IT COMPILED |
| 07:54.41 | Toolah | pentium451, figgered it out - yeah, eth0 is all 0's, no errors |
| 07:54.55 | jtd | okay. |
| 07:54.58 | pentium451 | Toolah: not even trying to xmit!!? |
| 07:55.08 | Toolah | pentium451, evidently not |
| 07:55.35 | jtd | so I just compiled this kernel. can someone tell me how to take it from whatever/arch/i386/bzImage and make it bootable? can I just put it in /boot and run grub or is there more complicated stuff that needs to happen? |
| 07:55.38 | pentium451 | hmm hardware or driver? |
| 07:55.45 | kevix | jtd, maybe distcc would help? |
| 07:56.03 | jtd | distcc? |
| 07:56.05 | Toolah | pentium451, wait |
| 07:56.10 | pentium451 | kevix: is there a public distcc farm avail? |
| 07:56.28 | jtd | er. I don't think so? |
| 07:56.35 | kevix | pentium451, I think you have to make your own! |
| 07:56.37 | jtd | maybe, but this looks like an actual compiler. |
| 07:56.40 | sanxiyn | !dbugs 314159 |
| 07:56.43 | dpkg | #314159:N[dak] melanie's -R should also check udeb's; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 23:18:01 UTC |
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| 07:56.47 | sanxiyn | pi bug |
| 07:56.52 | pentium451 | kevix: heh it was worth a shot |
| 07:56.58 | Toolah | pentium451, ok, NOW I have it figgered out, 7794 bytes Tx and 5 errors =/ |
| 07:57.04 | bob2 | jtd: put it in /boot/, add a block to thend of /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 07:57.08 | bob2 | sanxiyn: hah |
| 07:57.30 | pentium451 | Toolah: 7794 byts, (5 packets ?) and 5 errors ? |
| 07:57.33 | sanxiyn | bob2: While reading Planet Mozilla, somebody mentioned Mozilla bugzilla hit #314195. |
| 07:57.45 | bob2 | it's annoying how windows people have suddenly picked up on the term "rootkit" |
| 07:57.49 | sanxiyn | 314159, I mean. |
| 07:57.51 | jtd | bob: thank you |
| 07:57.53 | bob2 | sanxiyn: wow |
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| 07:58.01 | Toolah | pentium451, No, 7794, 0, 5, rest zeros |
| 07:58.06 | bob2 | I always thought debian was still an order above oz's bug totla |
| 07:58.20 | sanxiyn | bob2: It seems to be roughly comparable now. |
| 07:58.32 | kevix | sanxiyn, what is the error you mentioned? |
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| 07:58.44 | bob2 | I wonder how many there are with stupid/merged bugs removed |
| 07:58.54 | bob2 | I'd think moz'd have a much higher rate |
| 07:58.58 | sanxiyn | bob2: Actually, #314159 itself is a duplicate. |
| 07:59.03 | bob2 | haha |
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| 07:59.13 | nuck | anyone here using kdevelop? you might know how to fix my prob http://pastebin.com/411850 |
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| 07:59.39 | Guerin | nuck: you're still not using debian |
| 07:59.55 | bob2 | nuck: #ubuntu |
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| 08:00.03 | kevix | Guerin, last I checked, #ubuntu for nuck |
| 08:00.04 | bob2 | nuck: also, kdevelop is already in debian, no need to build it |
| 08:00.07 | pentium451 | nuck: #ubuntu |
| 08:00.13 | Kovecses | ahhhhh |
| 08:00.20 | fusQuanto | anyone know what to do about this error msg/how to fix it: http://pastebin.com/411852 |
| 08:00.27 | Kovecses | people should know what distro they are using |
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| 08:00.53 | fusQuanto | woops |
| 08:01.16 | jtd | bob2: should I be able to use the initrd from the 2.4.27 kernel that the installer creates for you with a 2.4.19 kernel? |
| 08:01.19 | sanxiyn | bob2: Gentoo top seems to be near #110000. |
| 08:01.21 | fusQuanto | http://pastebin.com/411854 -- anyone know how to fix this ? |
| 08:01.25 | bob2 | jtd: no |
| 08:01.28 | jtd | aha. |
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| 08:01.32 | kevix | fusQuanto, nmb protocol.... yuck. |
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| 08:01.39 | jtd | how do I go about creating an initrd that will work? |
| 08:01.50 | fusQuanto | kevix: its just samba :( i dont even know what nmb is |
| 08:01.55 | bob2 | fusQuanto: that doesn't ook like an error |
| 08:02.02 | sanxiyn | Bugzilla has PostgreSQL support now. |
| 08:02.04 | bob2 | jtd: you don't, just compile whatever you need *into* the kernel |
| 08:02.07 | sanxiyn | (Version 2.20) |
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| 08:02.30 | kevix | jtd, I use mkinitrd (man mkinitrd should help) |
| 08:02.35 | Toolah | pentium451, ok here is a thought - is there such animal as a 100 base T only hub? |
| 08:02.36 | fusQuanto | bob2: you looked at http://pastebin.com/411854 right, (not my first line). my winbox computers not able to map network drive which is samba |
| 08:02.38 | bob2 | jtd: why do you want an initrd? |
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| 08:02.49 | jtd | I thought an initrd was to have a starting filesystem for the kernel to live in while it starts up? |
| 08:02.58 | Toolah | pentium451, because this card is a 10 base T only .... |
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| 08:03.06 | fusQuanto | bob2: everytime i try to "mount" from windows, this linux box gives that error here |
| 08:03.06 | jtd | it is quite possible that I don't actually have a clue what it's for. |
| 08:03.08 | bob2 | jtd: and you only need that if you don't have your root filesystem and hard drive support in the kernel |
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| 08:03.20 | sword | hey guys |
| 08:03.22 | bob2 | jtd: just put it in the kernel, it's way less hassle |
| 08:03.22 | kevix | jtd, did you compile in the required modules for your root file system? |
| 08:03.28 | sword | how do you un-snafu a packaging error? |
| 08:03.41 | sanxiyn | bob2: Heh. "Oracle is working on porting Bugzilla to Oracle." |
| 08:03.45 | bob2 | sword: need to be a lot more specific |
| 08:03.45 | jtd | kevix: maybe? I used makeoldconfig with the config file from 2.4.27. |
| 08:03.46 | sword | i accidentally had an unstable source for a file |
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| 08:03.48 | bob2 | sanxiyn: hah |
| 08:03.50 | sword | well bob2 |
| 08:03.54 | sanxiyn | bob2: No, really. |
| 08:03.54 | jtd | I don't know what Debian's default behavior is in that case. |
| 08:03.55 | twinsen | how can I read in a function into my current script from a separate source file? |
| 08:04.00 | sword | i think kde is screwed up |
| 08:04.02 | bob2 | sword: e.g. by posting error logs to #flood |
| 08:04.03 | sword | and has conflicting packages |
| 08:04.05 | sword | okay |
| 08:04.10 | bob2 | twinsen: source /blah.sh |
| 08:04.14 | bob2 | twinsen: or . /blah.sh |
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| 08:04.31 | jtd | kevix: it only asked me two questions about the stuff that I patched into it, and that was it |
| 08:04.33 | pentium451 | Toolah: maybe! All mine switch automatically... but... someone might shortcut the testing... got a crossover cable? |
| 08:04.45 | twinsen | do i have to do: source /blah.sh functionName? |
| 08:04.45 | bob2 | sword: and your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:04.48 | dimir | Morning. |
| 08:04.50 | bob2 | twinsen: no |
| 08:05.08 | bob2 | sword: and then tell us what you did to your poor system |
| 08:05.09 | Toolah | pentium451, nope but can make one up at work tomorrow |
| 08:05.12 | sword | bob2, something like that |
| 08:05.17 | kevix | jtd, if you have a stanza in your boot loader config for your previous kernel, you can reboot and test it! |
| 08:05.21 | sword | :( |
| 08:05.24 | sword | accidentally used an unstable source |
| 08:05.27 | dregan | I managed to stuff up my sarge box tring to install postfix - I have completed a complete install and now I cannot get the graphics display to work - it is a geoforce MX440SE. How can I reconfigure this card from runlevel 2 |
| 08:05.31 | jtd | kevix: okay. |
| 08:05.39 | bob2 | sword: you mean you put a sid source in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:05.42 | sword | for kaboodle and it installed some updated packages i believe |
| 08:05.48 | sword | well one was commented out |
| 08:05.56 | bob2 | dregan: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 08:05.59 | sword | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:05.59 | pentium451 | Toolah: can't swipe a port elsewhere to verify? |
| 08:06.02 | sword | yeah i used that one |
| 08:06.19 | bob2 | sword: first point: don't ever do that again |
| 08:06.29 | sword | ok |
| 08:06.30 | bob2 | sword: second: it may be possible to fix it, but reinstalling may be simpler |
| 08:06.39 | bob2 | sword: third: remove everything related to kde |
| 08:06.45 | jtd | well, we're about to find out if it's gonna work |
| 08:06.47 | sword | how do i reinstall? |
| 08:06.54 | Toolah | pentium hmmm - thinking of pluging straight into lan might work ... |
| 08:07.03 | sword | apt-get --reinstall isnt working for me |
| 08:07.06 | kevix | jtd, what is you root fs anyway? |
| 08:07.06 | Kovecses | gotta love java-package |
| 08:07.10 | bob2 | sword: as, format and reinstall |
| 08:07.22 | jtd | kevix: I'm not sure I understand what you mean. It's ext3? |
| 08:07.26 | sword | oh damn |
| 08:07.29 | pentium451 | Toolah: we gotta know! |
| 08:07.34 | dregan | bob2: thank you, amazing - is this a common request |
| 08:07.34 | kevix | jtd, yea. ext3. |
| 08:07.36 | bob2 | jtd: the 2.4.27 debian kernel config is not usable without an initrd |
| 08:07.41 | bob2 | dregan: yes |
| 08:07.43 | bob2 | dregan: did it work? |
| 08:07.58 | bob2 | jtd: (ie it will not boot) |
| 08:07.59 | dregan | bob2: about to try now - will let you know! |
| 08:08.07 | bob2 | dregan: okiedokie, good luck. |
| 08:08.09 | Toolah | pentium451, okies, have to bypass firewall and local lan so all other comps will go offline ... |
| 08:08.12 | jtd | bob2: since I only changed two things and compiled them both into the kernel, theoretically the 2.4.27 initrd would work with 2.4.19, no? maybe? |
| 08:08.17 | bob2 | jtd: no |
| 08:08.21 | jtd | argh. |
| 08:08.24 | Toolah | pentium451, brb (I hope) |
| 08:08.29 | pentium451 | Toolah: see you on the other side |
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| 08:08.35 | bob2 | jtd: kernel ABIs (ie the ability to share modules) change with most minor releases |
| 08:08.44 | bob2 | jtd: across 8, I'd be astounded if it even loaded |
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| 08:08.55 | bob2 | hm, maybe not "most" |
| 08:09.03 | jtd | ok. |
| 08:09.17 | jtd | so i need to make an initrd for it, or recompile and compile EVERYTHING into it. |
| 08:09.28 | bob2 | you can build the initrd with 'make-kpkg -rfakeroot --initrd' |
| 08:09.32 | bob2 | (/msg dpkg kp mantra) |
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| 08:09.43 | jtd | is there an instruction somewhere that changes all "M"s into "Y"s? |
| 08:09.46 | bob2 | not EVERYTHING, jsut support for ext3 and your hard disk controller |
| 08:09.50 | jtd | oh. |
| 08:09.51 | bob2 | that will not work |
| 08:09.54 | bob2 | things conflict |
| 08:09.58 | jtd | I see. |
| 08:10.04 | dregan | bob2: the geoforce is not actually listed - I did have it working well before - do you have any idea what it might be compat with eg ati etc |
| 08:10.07 | bob2 | and I don't htink you can boot a five gigabyte kernel image on i386 anyway |
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| 08:10.16 | bob2 | dregan: not listed? where? |
| 08:10.16 | jtd | heh |
| 08:10.19 | jtd | right. |
| 08:10.22 | jtd | forgot about that. |
| 08:10.32 | bob2 | what patch is this, out of interest? |
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| 08:10.42 | jtd | bob: here |
| 08:10.47 | twinsen | bob2: how can I pass arguments from my main file into the function in the separate file? |
| 08:10.53 | bob2 | twinsen: ? |
| 08:11.00 | bob2 | twinsen: do you know any languages aside from sh? |
| 08:11.03 | jtd | http://www.cs.bu.edu/fac/richwest/dwcs.html |
| 08:11.09 | dregan | bob2: in the Configuring xserver options menu from dpkg-reconfigure! |
| 08:11.10 | twinsen | it works fine hen the function is inside the main file |
| 08:11.11 | kevix | dregan, there might be a backup in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.* |
| 08:11.34 | bob2 | dregan: I don't know what screen that is |
| 08:11.40 | dregan | kevix: Nope, I destroyed the lot |
| 08:11.42 | twinsen | as soon as i copy it into a separate source file and try to source it, it doesn't return anything |
| 08:11.42 | bob2 | dregan: it doesn't need to list your card, all you do is tell it about it |
| 08:11.44 | jtd | ugh |
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| 08:11.47 | jtd | I can't page up now |
| 08:11.53 | bob2 | twinsen: do you know C? |
| 08:11.58 | jtd | stupid OSX terminal |
| 08:12.04 | bassMonkey | I accidentally installed alsamixergui when I wanted to install alsa =/ how could i remove it and all the dependencies it installed? |
| 08:12.06 | twinsen | not very well... |
| 08:12.06 | bob2 | OSX terminal is quite terrible |
| 08:12.12 | jtd | it's horrid. |
| 08:12.12 | bob2 | twinsen: source is like #include |
| 08:12.15 | kevix | dregan, one video driver support MANY cards! |
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| 08:12.28 | Kovecses | jtd, so why not use debian |
| 08:12.31 | bob2 | twinsen: once you source the file, then you call the function by name |
| 08:12.37 | jtd | Kovecses: I'm using this machine at school for another project |
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| 08:12.40 | twinsen | ahh... |
| 08:12.41 | twinsen | thanks |
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| 08:12.43 | pentium451 | liran_: did you ever solve your 'cryptography' problem? |
| 08:12.44 | jtd | I use Ubuntu at home. |
| 08:12.49 | bob2 | bassMonkey: if you used aptitude, it will do it automatically |
| 08:12.53 | Kovecses | jtd, ok ..... |
| 08:12.54 | bob2 | bassMonkey: if not, debfoster is of use |
| 08:13.00 | Kovecses | jtd, never tried osx |
| 08:13.04 | bob2 | bassMonkey: or trying to remove them by hand, if it's not too many |
| 08:13.14 | nuck | does synaptic use (i.e. lock) dpkg? |
| 08:13.19 | bob2 | yes |
| 08:13.52 | jtd | bob2: can you copy and paste everything you said to me up there about making an initrd and compiling support for ext3 and my hd controller into a pmsg to me? |
| 08:14.06 | jtd | (sorry, but I can't figure out how to make this damn thing scroll irssi up) |
| 08:14.16 | bob2 | ugh |
| 08:14.19 | bob2 | meta-p |
| 08:14.26 | bob2 | ie escape-p |
| 08:14.55 | Zeit|awy | meta? ^^ |
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| 08:15.10 | jtd | and what is the opposite of meta-p? heh |
| 08:15.10 | bassMonkey | bob2: hmm, ok, thanks, I used apt-get and will look into debfoster... |
| 08:15.16 | jtd | lovely. now I can't page down. |
| 08:15.23 | bob2 | meta-n |
| 08:15.50 | bob2 | Zeit|awy: meta is a key that used to exist on old unix machines, so X knows about it. esc almost always maps to it on pc keyboards. |
| 08:15.53 | bob2 | alt often does, too |
| 08:16.05 | Zeit|awy | not on Unix but Solaris.. ;) |
| 08:16.30 | Kovecses | huh? |
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| 08:16.59 | Gnea | hm |
| 08:17.02 | dregan | I have just modified my graphics details from runlevel 2 - how do I now start the x window , please? |
| 08:17.04 | Kovecses | god i love debian |
| 08:17.09 | Gnea | bob2: tell me i'm a n00b |
| 08:17.24 | Kovecses | dregan, could just reboot |
| 08:17.25 | bob2 | Gnea: you're a new user to debian. |
| 08:17.31 | bob2 | dregan: startx |
| 08:17.32 | Gnea | bob2: thanks :) |
| 08:17.51 | jtd | eventually I figured out it was meta n |
| 08:17.54 | bob2 | also, "emiliana Torrini" has a very nice voice |
| 08:18.17 | jtd | anyway. bob2, thanks again for your help. it's bedtime for bonzo (and Jarett) |
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| 08:18.29 | Kovecses | jtd, you cant download another type of a terminal app? |
| 08:18.34 | dregan | Gnea: startx did it- thankyou - but it did not start with vga - I will have to try something else |
| 08:18.35 | jtd | no point |
| 08:18.37 | jtd | it won't stay here |
| 08:18.41 | jtd | everything gets wiped out when I log out |
| 08:18.48 | Kovecses | ahh |
| 08:19.37 | nuck | guys this is my problem... am trying to install libtool which depends on libc6-dev. now libc6-dev depends on a version of libc6 which is older than what i have. i was thinking this shouldnt be a problem but synaptic is complaning? |
| 08:20.07 | bob2 | oh god |
| 08:20.15 | bob2 | nuck: you've fucked up your system |
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| 08:20.25 | bob2 | nuck: now, reinstall and go back to #ubuntu |
| 08:20.35 | Kovecses | hes on ubuntu |
| 08:20.37 | Kovecses | ? |
| 08:20.44 | bob2 | nuck: kdevelop is in ubuntu, anyway, so I'm not sure why you wasted an hour of your life trying to compile |
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| 08:20.55 | pentium451 | and ours |
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| 08:21.04 | dregan | While in xserver-xfree86 config - I am asked for bus identifyier - an example is gigen PCI:0:16:0 - I am not sure of this, the card is in the AGP slot -? |
| 08:21.18 | dregan | gigen = given |
| 08:21.23 | kevix | dregan, it is USUALLY not needed. |
| 08:21.24 | pentium451 | dregan: lspci |
| 08:21.25 | nuck | am not compiling kdevelop i am using kdevelop to compile a project |
| 08:21.31 | bob2 | dregan: leave it blank |
| 08:21.40 | bob2 | nuck: thus still has nothing to do with Debian |
| 08:21.48 | bob2 | nuck: #ubuntu, and stop fucking up your sources.list |
| 08:22.04 | bob2 | nuck: you should never have added whatever broken-arse line you added, everything you need is in ubuntu already |
| 08:22.18 | jtd | bob2: what packages do I need installed to have make-kpkg? |
| 08:22.34 | Phated | kernel-package |
| 08:22.37 | bob2 | kernel-package |
| 08:22.41 | bob2 | + fakeroot + build-essential |
| 08:22.48 | jtd | apparently it does not live on my machine. also, will that kernel building mantra work with gcc 2.95? |
| 08:22.53 | jtd | (it says 3.4) |
| 08:23.16 | bob2 | not unless you tell it to |
| 08:23.21 | jtd | okay. |
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| 08:23.33 | bob2 | this patch had better make you dinner and then wash your car |
| 08:23.39 | bob2 | or it's been way too much trouble |
| 08:23.50 | jtd | bob2: it serves my dark master, aka my advisor |
| 08:24.01 | bob2 | ahhh |
| 08:24.13 | bob2 | 'CC=gcc-2.95 make-kpkg ...', I'd think |
| 08:24.14 | Kovecses | star wars episode 3 was freakin awesome |
| 08:24.25 | bob2 | oh, and you'll need gcc-2.95, too |
| 08:24.31 | bob2 | (the package, that is) |
| 08:24.45 | bob2 | oh, hah |
| 08:24.49 | bob2 | nuck is from my university |
| 08:24.59 | jtd | I built it with the most conservative gcc I could because gcc-4.0 barfed all over the place when I tried to build this the first time |
| 08:25.21 | bob2 | 2.4 will only build reliably with 2.95 |
| 08:25.24 | kevix | bob2, isn't 2.95 the evil mess that redhat made! |
| 08:25.25 | nuck | bob2 really? |
| 08:25.33 | nuck | awgod! |
| 08:25.34 | jtd | also, apparently ftp.debian.org is inaccessible from Notre Dame |
| 08:25.37 | jtd | fabulous |
| 08:25.42 | bob2 | kevix: that was 2.96 |
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| 08:26.03 | Kovecses | hey redhat has contributed alot to linux......dont diss it |
| 08:26.05 | bob2 | jtd: notre dame probably has a mirror somewhere, or try http.us.debian.org |
| 08:26.06 | nuck | bob2 i hope you're not my professor |
| 08:26.16 | bob2 | nuck: hah |
| 08:26.23 | bob2 | nuck: what class involves kdevelop these days? |
| 08:26.34 | jtd | software engineering, maybe :D |
| 08:26.52 | bob2 | nuck: tho mayb you don't want to answer to avoid incriminating yourself ;) |
| 08:27.04 | bob2 | they made everyone use emacs in first year |
| 08:27.10 | bob2 | which was great |
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| 08:27.20 | nuck | i have too many files to use emacs |
| 08:27.25 | bob2 | hah |
| 08:27.26 | jtd | 2nd year was vim? heh |
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| 08:27.29 | pentium451 | nuck: HA! |
| 08:27.36 | nuck | plus its too cumbersome bcause of dependencies |
| 08:27.52 | bob2 | nuck: anyway, stop messing up your sources.list |
| 08:27.55 | nuck | i reckon once i get kdevelop going it should be easy from then on |
| 08:27.56 | pentium451 | HAPPILY! |
| 08:28.01 | bob2 | nuck: everything you need is available from ubuntu main or universe |
| 08:28.15 | Kovecses | listen to bob2 |
| 08:28.24 | pentium451 | nuck: everything you need is available from emacs |
| 08:28.32 | bob2 | and that's the end of this discussion in here |
| 08:28.36 | bob2 | if you need more help, #ubuntu |
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| 08:29.22 | bob2 | also, someone get this fucking fly out of my room |
| 08:29.51 | kevix | bob2, kill -9 fly |
| 08:30.55 | jtd | dear god |
| 08:30.57 | jtd | is it working? |
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| 08:31.06 | jtd | what a miracle that would be |
| 08:31.23 | kevix | jtd, what did you have to sacrifice to $DIETY! to make it work? |
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| 08:31.39 | streuner | It's annoying how many people don't have a 'fly-killer' in summertime :-) |
| 08:31.50 | jtd | kevix: nothing yet, knock on wood. so far bob2's advice regarding make-kpkg appears to be working |
| 08:31.53 | Kovecses | its winter here |
| 08:32.07 | jtd | I really wish I could do things the Right Debian Way rather than screwing around with obscure custom kernels |
| 08:32.07 | streuner | not in .au .... |
| 08:32.22 | kevix | streuner, I just use a shoe! |
| 08:32.32 | streuner | too heavy |
| 08:32.46 | streuner | not fast enough |
| 08:32.46 | jtd | streuner: magnifying glass and a bright summer day |
| 08:33.37 | jtd | because this is taking a DAMN long time |
| 08:33.38 | kevix | streuner, just surround your self in misquito netting! |
| 08:33.41 | dregan | While in xserver-xfree86 config - I have tried VGA, trident, ati, via, sis, s3, apm, tseng options and get an error: Fatal server error / no screens found when I start X - the graphics card is NVIDIA Geoforce MX440SE - ? |
| 08:33.48 | streuner | kevix: haha |
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| 08:34.11 | streuner | kevix: some netting on the windows help too... |
| 08:34.20 | jtd | I think it's just going in and out of directories and making sure everything is built, maybe |
| 08:34.34 | nuck | to check if a pkg is installed its apt-cache search. is there a command to check the version of an installed package? now thats a debian question right :-) |
| 08:34.40 | cahoot | dregan: how about nv? |
| 08:34.41 | kevix | dregan, you should use vesa or nv. these should work. |
| 08:34.46 | littleball | hello, is it possible to get a ssl certificate of one foreign server? |
| 08:34.56 | dregan | kevix: thank you - will try now! |
| 08:35.07 | jtd | littleball: haven't you heard? don't bother - they're closing the internet tomorrow |
| 08:35.16 | pentium451 | Maybe I'm reading my problem wrong.. http://pastebin.com/411866 |
| 08:35.19 | kevix | streuner, you can get one of those bee keeper hat. look funny, but would work! |
| 08:35.20 | bob2 | dregan: tell it to not use the framebuffer |
| 08:35.27 | bob2 | nuck: #ubuntu, please don't make me tell you again... |
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| 08:35.52 | pentium451 | I just rebooted, and I still can't send mail! |
| 08:35.54 | jtd | that was really a debian question, I would think |
| 08:35.57 | nuck | man i honestly thought that was a #debian question sorry |
| 08:36.07 | bob2 | nuck: dude |
| 08:36.11 | bob2 | nuck: you're not using Debian |
| 08:36.15 | bob2 | nuck: ergo, not #debian |
| 08:36.23 | bob2 | nuck: you are using ubuntu, hence use #ubuntu |
| 08:36.34 | kevix | pentium451, is your mail server running? |
| 08:36.35 | nuck | but its debian package right? ok i get your point |
| 08:36.45 | jtd | nuck: are you concerned that no one in #ubuntu is active to answer your question? because I think bob2 lives in #ubuntu too. |
| 08:36.51 | littleball | jtd, why i need to get the certificate is that because talk.google.com has a self signed certificate. I need to add it into my key store so that it is trustable for my program |
| 08:36.51 | pentium451 | kevix: how can I verify |
| 08:37.06 | jtd | littleball: I was just messing around, man |
| 08:37.25 | nuck | so you guys get paid to do this? or is it just for goodwill and to spread the userbase? |
| 08:37.32 | jtd | hahahahahahaha |
| 08:37.35 | bob2 | we're volunteers |
| 08:37.36 | jtd | paid. hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha |
| 08:37.39 | kevix | jtd, I was in #ubuntu yesterday. many tried to help nuck. |
| 08:37.39 | pentium451 | ubuntu pays us |
| 08:37.53 | bob2 | and all we get is the feeling of love from grateful helperees |
| 08:37.57 | streuner | heh |
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| 08:38.14 | streuner | pentium451: nobody get paid here |
| 08:38.16 | kevix | pentium451, well 'ps -A f|less' and look for your mail server (exim, sendmail,etc) |
| 08:38.20 | jtd | actually, wait, that was my microwave. sorry. |
| 08:38.46 | nuck | i was expecting a lot of sarcastic replies as i was typing my last question |
| 08:38.49 | streuner | pentium451: not for #debian help |
| 08:38.57 | jtd | nuck: do you use #debian for anything? |
| 08:39.00 | jtd | er |
| 08:39.01 | jtd | Debian? |
| 08:39.20 | kevix | nuck, you do not seem to be familar with the free software philosophy and culture. google for it. |
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| 08:39.52 | jtd | kevix: well, it WAS a bit silly to ask if anyone was paying the people who help out in here :) |
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| 08:40.14 | dregan | cahoot: kevix: Thank you - but no good - it took a little longer and vesa actually had something on the display - bob2: I could not find an option for framebuffer - ? |
| 08:40.26 | nuck | kevix can you tell me in a nutshell? |
| 08:40.26 | jtd | Dear make-kpkg, Sometime tonight, please. Sincerely, Jarett |
| 08:40.59 | jtd | nuck: I can do better than that: http://www.fsf.org/ |
| 08:41.17 | bob2 | that's not that helpful |
| 08:41.26 | bob2 | dregan: it's in there |
| 08:41.30 | bob2 | or should be |
| 08:41.44 | kevix | nuck, it started with richard stallman. |
| 08:42.21 | kevix | nuck, there are millions of folks working for free, in their spare time, to advance free software. |
| 08:42.36 | jtd | free-as-in-speech software |
| 08:42.41 | bob2 | nuck: the point is that we get nothing for helping you |
| 08:43.25 | jtd | wow |
| 08:43.26 | azeem | we get praised all the time and fanboys/fangirls |
| 08:43.29 | azeem | oh wait |
| 08:43.36 | jtd | the FSF website is a hell of a lot better than it used to be |
| 08:43.50 | jtd | azeem: so you stole all the fangirls! |
| 08:44.36 | pentium451 | kevix: 'grep smtp /etc/inetd.conf' sez: '... /usr/sbin/in.smtpd' which is a link to smail. so it doesn't show up in ps |
| 08:44.39 | lindi- | kevix: note however that there are hundreds paid people working full time to advance free software too ;) |
| 08:45.14 | jtd | 'strewth. |
| 08:45.27 | dregan | bob2: Sorry - I went through it slowly and could not find it - I have another problem that someone helped me out with some time ago - I have a m$ wireless keyboard and mouse and keep getting "keyboard: unknown scancode eo 01 or any other number - I did not write down the fix - I did not expect to nuke my box! |
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| 08:45.46 | bob2 | dregan: hm, I don't know wht the option wouldn't show up |
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| 08:46.01 | bob2 | dregan: the other one sounds like you picked the wrong keyboard layout i the X config |
| 08:46.34 | bob2 | (but I don't know for sure, sorry) |
| 08:47.55 | pentium451 | does smail send AND receive smtp? |
| 08:47.55 | kevix | lindi-, thank $DIETY! IBM, canonical,... |
| 08:48.11 | bob2 | pentium451: the reason it doesn't show in ps or netstat is because it runs from inetd |
| 08:48.48 | pentium451 | bob2: that's what I answered to kevix |
| 08:49.16 | pentium451 | but I'm still suffering from this |
| 08:49.26 | kevix | pentium451, some things do not run all the time but run as needed. |
| 08:49.46 | pentium451 | ok, that's what inetd does... I understand, but |
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| 08:50.25 | pentium451 | what could be remembering that my DNS was down 4 hours ago? |
| 08:50.33 | bob2 | your isp? |
| 08:50.39 | dli__ | kevix, the worst nightmare for me, installed webadmin for no reason ( I saw it in suggested packages) |
| 08:50.55 | lindi- | kevix: and redhat! ;) |
| 08:51.06 | pentium451 | bob2: this is local mail trying to get out, and it says my domain doesn't exist |
| 08:51.24 | Kovecses | ok why cant i pick an icon from my home directory to create a launcher.....it is greyed out??? im logged in as a non-root???? but it will not let me select an icon from my home folder???????????????// |
| 08:51.34 | pentium451 | bob2: http://pastebin.com/411866 |
| 08:51.43 | bob2 | pentium451: does the domain resolve locally? |
| 08:51.45 | kevix | lindi-, hehe. |
| 08:51.46 | Gnea | Kovecses: sunday is over... |
| 08:51.51 | pentium451 | bob2: yup |
| 08:51.56 | Kovecses | Gnea, huh? |
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| 08:52.14 | Gnea | Kovecses: your profuse usage of question marks |
| 08:52.21 | Kovecses | oic |
| 08:52.23 | Kovecses | sorry |
| 08:52.26 | Gnea | :) |
| 08:52.27 | pentium451 | I'm gettin depressed |
| 08:52.33 | kevix | dli_, ok. |
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| 08:53.25 | Kovecses | Gnea, this sucks though ..... i have never had this problem |
| 08:53.28 | bob2 | pentium451: dig NOSPAM.MyVnc.com @your.isps.name.server |
| 08:53.35 | Gnea | Kovecses: what are you using for a desktop? |
| 08:54.00 | Kovecses | Gnea, gnome |
| 08:54.08 | Gnea | Kovecses: dunno.. |
| 08:54.36 | bob2 | pentium451: does it resolve? |
| 08:55.25 | pentium451 | hmm, looks like no... but let me double check |
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| 08:55.45 | kevix | lindi-, there is an excellant paper of FLOSS/Debian from Biella Coleman at http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=805287 |
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| 08:56.44 | pentium451 | if I just to a dig it works, but dig ...@68.bla.bla it looks bad |
| 08:57.16 | Orlino | hey guys, I get "LI" at boot time and system fails to boot. "LI" I am guessing is from LILO which should normally load, but fails now. any hints? |
| 08:57.40 | pentium451 | Orlino: disk too big or didn't run lilo to make a kernel map |
| 08:57.46 | bob2 | pentium451: right, your ISP cached the NXDOMAIN reply |
| 08:57.53 | bob2 | er |
| 08:57.59 | bob2 | the fact that it was down |
| 08:58.08 | bob2 | they should try again soon |
| 08:58.11 | bob2 | !+li |
| 08:58.11 | dpkg | if 'LI' is printed when the system is booted, it means that your drive is probably too large (OR you simply forgot to run 'lilo'). There is a Large-disk-mini-howto. Read it.. Boot the rescue disk, edit lilo.conf and add 'lba32' then try again., or (if drive geometry has changed) try booting from the rescue disk, mounting /, and rerunning lilo. Or you could try grub instead. :) Lithium, or Liechtenstein. |
| 08:58.16 | bob2 | Orlino: ^^ |
| 08:58.35 | pentium451 | hmm. could add another nameserver to resolv.conf? |
| 08:58.43 | Orlino | pentium451: yeah didn't run LILO, happened after sysem went down due to power failure |
| 08:58.43 | pentium451 | it has been hours |
| 08:59.02 | bob2 | pentium451: yes |
| 08:59.08 | pentium451 | thanks so much |
| 08:59.18 | pentium451 | bob2 rules |
| 08:59.25 | Orlino | pentium451: how do I rerun lili? |
| 08:59.29 | Orlino | pentium451: how do I rerun lilo? |
| 08:59.41 | Dewi | this is probably going to earn me a kickban, but what the hell... somebody just showed me this :) |
| 08:59.42 | kevix | Orlino, get a livecd (knoppix). mount root partition (rw). chroot to it. rerun lilo. |
| 08:59.43 | Dewi | http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/debian.jpg |
| 08:59.46 | pentium451 | Orlino: can you get booted? emergency floppy etc... ? |
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| 09:00.04 | Orlino | pentium451: yeah I did that ok |
| 09:00.14 | Gnea | Dewi: someone was already kickbanned for showing that picture. |
| 09:00.16 | pentium451 | see kevix above |
| 09:00.23 | bob2 | I've come to realise you need a certain amount of elitism to make an OS, tho |
| 09:00.46 | kevix | bob2, like Theo de Ratt |
| 09:00.58 | Gnea | elitism seems to be preveyed as a blindness to justification |
| 09:01.06 | Orlino | pentium451: how do I rerunn lilo? |
| 09:01.13 | Gnea | s/preveyed/perveyed/ |
| 09:01.19 | bob2 | kevix: right...theo and cristoph helwig may come off as utter cocks, but without them openbsd and linux would be worse |
| 09:01.37 | kevix | Orlino, once you mount the root partition. then just run 'lilo -v' |
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| 09:02.13 | Dewi | bob2: it's true |
| 09:02.23 | kevix | bob2, did you read this paper, it mention what happens in debian. http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=805287 |
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| 09:02.27 | bob2 | Gnea: portrayed? |
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| 09:02.40 | bob2 | tho of course too much elitism is shit |
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| 09:02.55 | bob2 | e.g. what happened with xfree86, where non-developers couldn't even watch the development discussion |
| 09:03.03 | pentium451 | unless it's justified |
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| 09:03.35 | Kovecses | xfree86 is in the past |
| 09:03.37 | Gnea | bob2: sorry, s/perveyed/purveyed/ |
| 09:03.42 | piplined | bob2: Little did we know that there was no development discussion :q: |
| 09:03.50 | Gnea | my spelling is way off again :) |
| 09:03.54 | kevix | pentium451, one of Debian's rules is to keep everything in the open. as least as much as is possible. |
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| 09:04.38 | pentium451 | kevix: keeps me contributing (unless I'm stuck on some stupid problem) |
| 09:04.38 | bob2 | piplined: hehehe |
| 09:05.13 | Kovecses | i used debian for 3 years and it took me all year to convince myself it is still my distro of choice |
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| 09:05.28 | SiegeCjj | Debian? Let me tell you guys about Debian |
| 09:05.34 | SiegeCjj | http://www.eaplay.com/australia/promotions/mostwanted/?entry_id=30890 |
| 09:05.41 | Orlino | pentium451: seems ok now, thanx. what you think happened? lilo crash? |
| 09:05.54 | pentium451 | map was out of date? |
| 09:05.59 | kevix | Orlino, did you install a new kernel? |
| 09:06.01 | Kovecses | lilo? |
| 09:06.14 | tarzeau | SiegeCjj: that url has nothing to do with Debian |
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| 09:06.37 | kevix | tarzeau, the word 'promotinos' in the URL was a hint. |
| 09:06.38 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!Abstract@*] by bob2 |
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| 09:06.46 | bob2 | ugh, too slow, sorry about that |
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| 09:07.10 | Orlino | kervix: no, happened after system went down due to power failure I am guessing |
| 09:07.14 | Kovecses | what is the freenode gnome channel? |
| 09:07.19 | bob2 | #idelrpg? |
| 09:07.20 | tarzeau | Kovecses: doesn't exist |
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| 09:07.25 | bob2 | oh |
| 09:07.27 | Kovecses | tarzeau, thought so |
| 09:07.27 | bob2 | not game |
| 09:07.29 | kevix | Orlino, so random disk coruption. |
| 09:07.32 | bob2 | my mind is clearly wandering |
| 09:07.53 | Orlino | kevix: yeah disk coruption probably |
| 09:08.09 | Orlino | kevix: corrupted lilo? |
| 09:08.28 | kevix | kevix, dont know. |
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| 09:08.38 | pentium451 | wasn't the mbr |
| 09:08.46 | Alver | Hello... I've been noticing the Xorg memory eating problem on my system (Xorg using ~400MB atm); seems to be a known issue... I can't seem to find any recent information however; does anyone know if there's a known cause or fix for it? |
| 09:08.50 | bob2 | pentium451: did that fix it? |
| 09:08.52 | kevix | pentium451, as it booted part of lilo. |
| 09:08.59 | bob2 | Alver: are you using firefox? |
| 09:09.03 | Orlino | pentium451: yeah lilo -v fixed it |
| 09:09.25 | Alver | bob2: Yes, but it's not firefox related. It happened before I installed firefox too (using plain mozilla then) |
| 09:09.31 | pentium451 | bob2: wow... the dig fixed the isp's nameserver! |
| 09:09.42 | Alver | bob2: unless you're aiming at one of the plugins they share, of course :) |
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| 09:09.53 | bob2 | Alver: does quitting your browser show X.org to free up memory? |
| 09:10.03 | Darso | Hey, I have a problem with Debian...the screen or GDM doesn't work. Does anyone know about this problem? |
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| 09:10.07 | bob2 | pentium451: oh, I meant the resolve.conf |
| 09:10.08 | Alver | bob2: none worth mentioning |
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| 09:10.32 | kevix | pentium451, so email away! |
| 09:10.49 | bob2 | Alver: hm, interesting |
| 09:11.02 | pentium451 | bob2: I didn't have to change resolv... just dig and wait 30 seconds |
| 09:11.14 | pentium451 | must have woke him up |
| 09:11.24 | kevix | does anyone know where to find info on the apt-get update diff support. |
| 09:11.42 | bob2 | Alver: don't know then, sorry |
| 09:11.42 | Alver | bob2: Xorg starts off at a few dozen megs at very most. It keeps growing - this 400MB is the result of ~48 hours uptime. |
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| 09:11.53 | bob2 | kevix: install apt from experimentla, and it magically works |
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| 09:12.22 | kevix | bob2, what about non-debian sources, does it deal ok with them? |
| 09:12.45 | bob2 | kevix: it onl ydeals with apt sources that have the .diff files generated |
| 09:12.53 | bob2 | kevix: currently I think only Debian itself does that |
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| 09:13.26 | Darso | Hey, anybody knows where I can find help with Debian problems? |
| 09:13.27 | kevix | bob2, yea I figured. I mean will it still update non-deb sources or will it bomb out. |
| 09:13.41 | pentium451 | Darso: these guys are great |
| 09:13.44 | Alver | bob2: interestingly, pmap shows an entry 08209000 931732K rwx-- [ anon ] |
| 09:13.45 | bob2 | kevix: oh, right, sorry. it will work fine, yes, just not as horrifingly fast |
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| 09:13.48 | kevix | Darso, maybe here, maybe noot. |
| 09:13.52 | bob2 | Darso: you need to aks a more specific question |
| 09:14.06 | pentium451 | he wants problems |
| 09:14.09 | bob2 | Darso: we can assume X is not working for you, but you didn't mention if it ever worked, nor your version of Debian, or your hardware |
| 09:14.19 | kevix | bob2, coool! speedy updates! |
| 09:14.20 | bob2 | Alver: hah |
| 09:14.27 | Darso | Nope... |
| 09:14.44 | Darso | ...I just installed it and I tried removing and isntalling GDM again |
| 09:14.51 | Alver | bob2: I'm not too known with the pmap command, but that line looks suspicious. Is there a way to trance it back? |
| 09:14.54 | Darso | Nothing, jsut BLACK |
| 09:15.00 | burton | hi, anyone has idea where to get/download iso image with kernel 2.6.14 ? or where is some howto for build iso, netinstall? |
| 09:15.34 | bob2 | Darso: gdm isn't the problem |
| 09:15.41 | bob2 | Darso: try /msg dpkg setup x |
| 09:15.46 | Alver | burton: use a debian kernel. If you want to build your own kernel package, check into make-kpkg or what's it called |
| 09:15.46 | bob2 | Darso: see if following that helps |
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| 09:15.58 | bob2 | Alver: I don't know, sorry |
| 09:16.10 | bob2 | Alver: anon allocations = mallocs, right? |
| 09:16.18 | Darso | Thanks...I hope it works |
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| 09:16.58 | burton | alver: maybe any boot image already contains 2.6.14 ? |
| 09:17.07 | Alver | bob2: you tell me... I'm not much of a hacker. =) |
| 09:17.14 | Alver | burton: I doubt that |
| 09:17.21 | Darso | I'll be back |
| 09:17.22 | Darso | BYe |
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| 09:18.28 | scx | a quick question: what's the port for postgre? 21? |
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| 09:18.34 | bob2 | no |
| 09:18.38 | Dewi | when one has apache2 and does "apt-get install php4", is there anything else to do after that completes to stop apache from offering to download me php files in source code form? |
| 09:18.48 | pentium451 | bob2: nope, my isp is still stale... but /var/log/smail/logfile verifies the mail did go out (???) |
| 09:18.50 | bob2 | scx: grep postgres /etc/services |
| 09:19.11 | bob2 | pentium451: odd |
| 09:19.15 | pentium451 | ya |
| 09:19.26 | bob2 | pentium451: I'd point resolv.conf at a non-fucked nameserver to avoid tings going wrong before the cache expires, tho |
| 09:19.35 | scx | bob2: ohhh,... nice way to find it out,... :) |
| 09:19.37 | pentium451 | good call |
| 09:19.49 | kevix | burton, 2.6.14 is kinda new. why not just use a current one and then update to it later? |
| 09:20.23 | kevix | scx, ftp = port 20,21 |
| 09:21.04 | scx | kevix: ahh,.. true,... I just use http usally ;) |
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| 09:22.33 | burton | kevix: i have new hdd controller that is supported only in 2.6.14 |
| 09:22.42 | Dewi | is there something I need to do to enable php under apache2 apart from having a LoadModule and some AddType's in the mods-enabled directory? |
| 09:22.47 | burton | kevix: 3ware 9550sy |
| 09:22.48 | burton | kevix: 3ware 9550sx |
| 09:23.16 | bob2 | Dewi: just installing libapache2-mod-php4 should be enough |
| 09:23.20 | burton | kevix: any other idea? |
| 09:23.23 | kevix | burton, ohh. hw raid or sata? |
| 09:23.37 | Dewi | bob2: I have a confession to make, I'm using php5. |
| 09:23.52 | Dewi | bob2: in sarge. |
| 09:23.53 | burton | kevix: hw raid - SATA |
| 09:23.58 | bob2 | hah |
| 09:23.59 | kevix | burton, one idea is to install debian with another hd contrller. then upgrade kernel. then reinstall 3ware. |
| 09:24.06 | bob2 | those lines should be enough |
| 09:24.15 | bob2 | read your apache error log and see if it mentions them |
| 09:24.25 | liable | 3ware is supported.. |
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| 09:25.01 | burton | kevix: yes , but i want / root filesystem on this controller. |
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| 09:25.05 | Andy837 | i have just installed X (but i need to configure it from CLI) can anyone advise? |
| 09:25.15 | liable | !drxx Andy837 |
| 09:25.19 | dpkg | Andy837: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 09:25.24 | burton | liable: 3ware yes, but thhis is some kind of new 3ware controller |
| 09:25.24 | kevix | liable, yea. it thought so too. maybe his is newer. |
| 09:25.46 | burton | ;) |
| 09:26.35 | tct_ | ? |
| 09:26.46 | Andy837 | should i use a generic video card? dunno what the card actually is! lol |
| 09:27.07 | liable | so which is it? sy or sx? |
| 09:27.18 | burton | liable : sx http://kerneltrap.org/node/5779 |
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| 09:29.44 | liable | burton: bugger. cant install an ata drive and then a new kernel and then copy over? |
| 09:30.09 | bob2 | burton: http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers?focusedCommentId=6815 |
| 09:30.23 | startxwhite | i just installed sarge on my PC. i've got 2 hard disks. The 1st one has sarge and the 2nd windows2000. i wonder, does sarge support *writing* to an ntfs partition out of the box? |
| 09:30.45 | bob2 | no |
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| 09:30.55 | bob2 | linux doesn't support that without captive-ntfs |
| 09:30.56 | Gargoyle | hello |
| 09:30.59 | bob2 | which loads windows dlls into the kernel |
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| 09:31.10 | Gargoyle | can anyone help me with pam_mysql? |
| 09:31.10 | liable | eww. |
| 09:31.13 | kevix | burton, have you actually tried using a current installl with 2.6.x a read something taht suggest it may work. |
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| 09:31.36 | bob2 | Gargoyle: it's a lot easier if you ask a specific question |
| 09:31.40 | sep | Gargoyle, we wont hold your hand, but you can ask a spesific question and get spesific help |
| 09:32.19 | startxwhite | bob2: but captive-ntfs is not a deb package! |
| 09:32.30 | bob2 | startxwhite: yes |
| 09:32.38 | startxwhite | it is? |
| 09:32.44 | bob2 | no |
| 09:32.48 | bob2 | it's also dodgy |
| 09:32.52 | bob2 | I wouldn't trust it with my data |
| 09:33.07 | burton | liable: yes, i can install on some ide drive, but then how to copy root file system onto raid? |
| 09:33.19 | sep | startxwhite, what would be saner is to have 3 partitions,. 1 linux, c: for windows and a FAT32 for data that actualy needs to be accessed from both. (my 0.2$currency) |
| 09:33.34 | kevix | startxwhite, could you make a linux compatible partition to put data on(msdos,vfat,cdrom,floppy,usbdisk) |
| 09:33.40 | liable | burton: /msg dpkg hard drive upgrade |
| 09:34.07 | Gargoyle | OK, I am trying to get vsftpd working with pam_mysql, I have the ftp file setup in /etc/pam.d and I can see queries appearing in the mysql.log for the users that I try to authenticate. |
| 09:34.09 | liable | burton: if the kernel supports it, it will just see one drive, and just copy it over. |
| 09:34.10 | burton | kevix: i try with a few boot cd's , netinstall , daily generated, minimaliso cd... |
| 09:34.22 | bob2 | !+install on dell is http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers?focusedCommentId=6815 |
| 09:34.22 | dpkg | bob2: okay |
| 09:34.28 | startxwhite | bob2: fat32 is not an option since i need to transfer files to the w2000 ntfs partition urgently |
| 09:34.29 | Gargoyle | But, vsftpd keeps saying 500 OOPS: cannot locate user entry:freddy |
| 09:34.46 | Gargoyle | freddy is in mysql db. |
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| 09:34.56 | Gargoyle | If I try with joe, everything works fine |
| 09:35.00 | resiak | startxwhite: If your Debian partition is ext2/3, you can use ext2fsd (on Windows) to read from it. |
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| 09:35.04 | Gargoyle | joe is in /etc/passwd |
| 09:35.05 | pentium451 | thanks a million bob2 and kevix !!! |
| 09:35.09 | bob2 | Gargoyle: did you use getent to make sure PAM works fine? |
| 09:35.10 | Andy837 | the graphics on this X just wont work!! |
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| 09:35.12 | bob2 | pentium451: np |
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| 09:35.16 | crowolo | hi |
| 09:35.21 | resiak | !won't work |
| 09:35.21 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 09:35.25 | Gargoyle | bob2: Nope, never heard of it |
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| 09:35.27 | bob2 | startxwhite: time to reboot to windows, I guess |
| 09:35.40 | eps | how does one install msttcorefonts |
| 09:35.44 | Gargoyle | bob2: but thats about the best answer I have had in the last 24 hours! |
| 09:35.46 | Danar | for some reason mc, after working in mc for a while, i can't execute any files because it says 'Error: the shell is already running a command" even though it's not |
| 09:35.47 | bob2 | Gargoyle: getent passwd freddy |
| 09:35.50 | resiak | !msttcorefonts |
| 09:35.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, msttcorefonts is package to install MSFT core TrueType fonts. http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/ for font *.EXEs, unpack with cabextract. Install the 'x-ttcidfont-conf' package, and add this FontPath line to your XF86Config-4 file in the "Files" section: 'FontPath "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType"'. then 'xset fp rehash' |
| 09:35.50 | kevix | startxwhite, can you burn the data to cdrom and read the cdrom in win$ |
| 09:36.01 | eps | thanks resiak |
| 09:36.09 | kevix | pentium451, cheers! |
| 09:36.11 | Gargoyle | bob2: returns nothing |
| 09:36.14 | Danar | the list of background jobs is empty, and there's nothing on the command line |
| 09:36.19 | bob2 | Gargoyle: then you haven't setup pam properly |
| 09:36.22 | Andy837 | the graphics on this X just display rubbish - i odn't understand whats wrong? |
| 09:36.23 | Danar | how can i fix this without exiting? |
| 09:36.24 | startxwhite | bob2: fat32 is not an option since i need to transfer files which are *on sarge* to the w2000 ntfs partition urgently |
| 09:36.33 | bob2 | Gargoyle: http://small.dropbear.id.au/myscripts/postfixmysql.html |
| 09:36.34 | piplined | startxwhite: Tough shit. |
| 09:36.36 | bob2 | Gargoyle: read the pam bits |
| 09:36.42 | Gargoyle | ta |
| 09:36.44 | bob2 | startxwhite: yes, I heard you say that |
| 09:36.48 | startxwhite | kevix: i do not have a cdwriter |
| 09:36.49 | piplined | startxwhite: Your best bet is to use VMware. |
| 09:36.49 | resiak | startxwhite: If your Debian partition is ext2/3, you can use ext2fsd (on Windows) to read from it. Is that not good enough? |
| 09:37.01 | bob2 | startxwhite: reboot to windows, install "ext3explorer" or whatever it is called and copy them |
| 09:37.03 | startxwhite | VMware is not free software |
| 09:37.07 | kevix | startxwhite, how about a usb thumbdrive? |
| 09:37.14 | startxwhite | nor do i have any money |
| 09:37.29 | startxwhite | i do not have a usb drive |
| 09:37.48 | kevix | startxwhite, do you have an extra hd drive to install? |
| 09:37.54 | startxwhite | nop |
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| 09:38.27 | kevix | startxwhite, how big is the data? kb,mb or gb? |
| 09:38.31 | Andy837 | any help with graphics |
| 09:38.39 | bob2 | Andy837: /msg dpkg setup x |
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| 09:38.52 | startxwhite | resiak: i need to *write* to the ntfs partition. reading ntfs will not do |
| 09:39.00 | bob2 | startxwhite: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/8/2003/04/3/55284 |
| 09:39.05 | bob2 | startxwhite: now go do it |
| 09:39.09 | kevix | Andy837, did you try 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' or 'xserver-xfree' ? |
| 09:39.20 | startxwhite | kevix: 6 gigabytes. one file is 3 gigs |
| 09:39.23 | Andy837 | yeh i am able to reconfigure it now |
| 09:39.23 | g00se | How do i mount a directory in RAM for privacy reasons? |
| 09:39.25 | resiak | startxwhite: Can you boot Windows? If so, you can _read_ your Linux partitions from Windows to achieve the same effect. |
| 09:39.32 | Andy837 | but when i try to start it its just garbled |
| 09:39.33 | Maulkin | startxwhite: You cannot write to ntfs |
| 09:39.45 | bob2 | g00se: mkdir /dev/shm/you/ |
| 09:39.45 | Andy837 | cirrus chip of the gfx |
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| 09:40.07 | adii | is there a bittorent client for deb ? |
| 09:40.13 | g00se | bob2: thanks - i'll look into it |
| 09:40.13 | Danar | adii, azureus |
| 09:40.14 | Maulkin | adii: yes |
| 09:40.23 | Danar | azureus.sf.net |
| 09:40.24 | Maulkin | adii: apt-cache search bittorrent |
| 09:40.25 | kevix | Andy837, you mean it starts buts the display is wierd, too big, or fuzzy? |
| 09:40.41 | Andy837 | it starts then "crashes" |
| 09:40.44 | Danar | or just apt-get it |
| 09:40.49 | adii | ok thanks |
| 09:40.57 | Andy837 | i just see a garbled mess when it starts then it drops back to CLI |
| 09:41.01 | kevix | Andy837, you have a cirrus chip? |
| 09:41.02 | startxwhite | bob2: that posting is 2 years old. no progress has ben made since then??? |
| 09:41.09 | Andy837 | yeh |
| 09:41.29 | Danar | for some reason mc, after working in mc for a while, i can't execute any files because it says 'Error: the shell is already running a command" even though it's not |
| 09:41.34 | Andy837 | what do i put in the video card bus identifier? |
| 09:41.39 | adii | is azureus working on stable ? |
| 09:41.47 | Danar | how can i fix this without exiting? |
| 09:41.53 | kevix | Andy837, what does 'lspci' say? (it is pci!) |
| 09:42.01 | Danar | adii, i think so... |
| 09:42.08 | liable | Andy837: just hit enter |
| 09:42.09 | Andy837 | lspci? |
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| 09:42.21 | bob2 | startxwhite: you're welcome to send patches |
| 09:42.32 | Andy837 | should i dedicate any RAM (how much)? |
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| 09:42.43 | Danar | adii, it's in contrib though |
| 09:43.09 | startxwhite | bob2: i am not a programmer, i am a desktop user and a newbie |
| 09:43.37 | Andy837 | gfx = Cirrus Logic GD 5446 |
| 09:43.38 | kevix | Andy837, type 'lspci | grep -i vga' |
| 09:44.08 | Andy837 | Cirrus Logic GD 5446 |
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| 09:44.30 | startxwhite | bob2: your suggestion would be cerainly relevant to programmers but completely out of place for newbie desktop users |
| 09:45.03 | Andy837 | i get FATEL SERVER ERROR: no screens found |
| 09:45.05 | bob2 | startxwhite: what? |
| 09:45.20 | startxwhite | bob: certainly |
| 09:45.28 | startxwhite | bob2: certainly |
| 09:45.57 | bob2 | startxwhite: I have no idea what you are talking about |
| 09:46.06 | bob2 | startxwhite: download ext2explorer and copy the files off your ext partition |
| 09:46.21 | elephantman | Hi all |
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| 09:46.58 | dli__ | startxwhite, try ext2fsd |
| 09:46.59 | elephantman | My LCD screen say it's out of range - do i have to manipulate XF86Config-4 ? |
| 09:47.02 | Danar | can no one help me with mc? (midnight commander) |
| 09:47.12 | resiak | dli__: Give up. startxwhite appears to want to ignore help. :) |
| 09:47.13 | bob2 | startxwhite: I was suggesting that if you thought progress was too slow, you could help out |
| 09:47.30 | Danar | elephantman, try changing the resolution? |
| 09:47.50 | elephantman | Danar: in the X86 config file ? |
| 09:48.05 | Andy837 | any idea why i get no screens found when starting XX |
| 09:48.09 | torc | ext3.txt says, that data=journal is the slowest mode, but if the data is written and read at the same time - it can outperform all others? how often does this actually happen? |
| 09:48.14 | Danar | elephantman, no, with ctrl+alt+(+ or -) |
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| 09:49.17 | liable | !tell Andy837 about no screens found |
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| 09:49.24 | startxwhite | resiak: thanks for the help. i am not ignoring it. i am just considering my options |
| 09:49.31 | elephantman | Danar: are you shure ? It does nothing at all - never heard about this shortcut |
| 09:49.53 | Danar | elephantman, you might find it works at a different resolution. once you get it working, you can fiddle with the file |
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| 09:50.04 | Danar | elephantman, works for me |
| 09:50.05 | dli__ | startxwhite, http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=43775&package_id=36151 |
| 09:50.08 | notPoncha | err.. anyone used graphviz on debian? i have atrouble with fonts (it wont find any); graphviz faq states it uses fontconfig (and package fontconfig is installed) -> i also have truetype fonts on the system (bitstream and msttcorefonts)... but still got error "could not find/open font" .. any ideas what can be missing? |
| 09:50.18 | Danar | elephantman, maybe you only have the one resolution in your config file |
| 09:50.25 | kevix | Andy837, did you use the 'cirrus' driver? |
| 09:50.50 | elephantman | Danar: oh ok |
| 09:50.54 | Danar | elephantman, when do you get the message? as soon as the computer starts? after it boots to linux? |
| 09:51.05 | Danar | elephantman, after it goes to x? |
| 09:51.27 | Andy837 | kevix: yes |
| 09:51.28 | elephantman | Danar: can the problem be hsync or vsync ? |
| 09:51.34 | Danar | elephantman, yes |
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| 09:52.14 | markmr | when i have a csh login script, how can i make it be like csh -x ? |
| 09:52.14 | notPoncha | it looks like graphviz's DEFAULT_FONTPATH does not match "debian ways" ;) (i.e. /usr/share/fonts is not in default path mentioned on their official site - but i would expect package maintainer to patch that stuff anyway) ... but even without it , it should obey fontconfig .. |
| 09:53.18 | notPoncha | btw i actually use "webdot", which is a perlscript using graphviz (available from official graphviz page) |
| 09:53.43 | kevix | Andy837, it seem that X version 3 is better for that card. Not sure how to do that with debian. |
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| 09:54.01 | Andy837 | what version of X will i be using at present? |
| 09:54.14 | startxwhite | thanks for the help guys. i have noticed though the tools recommended are windows executables and none are sarge debs to be used on, erm, debian gnu/linux |
| 09:54.23 | bob2 | startxwhite: yes |
| 09:54.24 | eleftherios | is there an app that lets one check which services are running or are configured to run at the run level you are in? (other than ps) Something similar to redhat's chkconfig? |
| 09:54.29 | OVERCRAFT | anyone using dopey's fluxbox 0.9.14 deb, having problems turning on AA? |
| 09:54.34 | bob2 | startxwhite: captive-ntfs is your only option for writing to NTFS from Debian |
| 09:54.37 | kevix | Andy837, have you visited any linux user groups in your area? they have a better supported card for ya. |
| 09:54.46 | startxwhite | bob2: thanks |
| 09:54.56 | eleftherios | by services I refer to daemons such as apache, mysql, etc |
| 09:55.11 | bob2 | startxwhite: the linux ntfs driver can be forced to write ntfs, but it cannot create new files |
| 09:55.22 | kevix | Andy837, well version 4 and now debain is using xorg which is the latest X |
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| 09:55.51 | startxwhite | bob2: the problem is there are no official captive-ntfs debs for sarge |
| 09:56.01 | bob2 | startxwhite: yes |
| 09:56.03 | Andy837 | kevix: so any idea on the best way forward? |
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| 09:56.25 | bob2 | startxwhite: I'd be trying ext3explorer ahead of captive-ntfs |
| 09:56.32 | bob2 | startxwhite: less chance of explosians |
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| 09:56.52 | kevix | Andy837, a local linux user group may have a spare video card to use. |
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| 09:57.58 | Andy837 | kevix: its only an old server, will be VNC to it most of the time! just need to get it running first - would X-windows 3 be an option? |
| 09:58.06 | kevix | Andy837, or you may want to get a copy of woody. I think it had version 3. |
| 09:58.32 | kevix | bob2, did woody have X version 3. |
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| 09:58.42 | bob2 | yes |
| 09:58.58 | bob2 | !+info xserver-svga woody |
| 09:58.59 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 09:59.01 | bob2 | good times |
| 09:59.05 | Andy837 | can i not install x v.3 on sarge? |
| 09:59.11 | kevix | bob2, Andy837 has a cirrus card. IIRC xserver-svga would work. |
| 09:59.31 | bob2 | might be worth a go |
| 09:59.37 | bob2 | that will mean a lot more manual configuring, tho |
| 09:59.40 | dpkg | xserver-svga: (X server for SVGA graphics cards), section x11, is optional. Version: 3.3.6-44 (woody), Packaged size: 1311 kB, Installed size: 3212 kB |
| 10:00.01 | kevix | bob2, its in sarge? |
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| 10:00.15 | bob2 | !+info xserver-svga sarge |
| 10:00.16 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 10:00.17 | bob2 | dunno :) |
| 10:00.25 | dpkg | Package 'xserver-svga' does not exist. |
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| 10:01.14 | darkbird | hi all i need some help i will install an server dual p3 800, rambus 800 MHz, scsi. the problem is when i start the installation at basic installation it will be do nithing more and stand at 40% installation and do nothing more woh can i find the reason? |
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| 10:01.50 | kevix | Andy837, the cirrus has 2mb. so woody may be a way to go. |
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| 10:02.03 | matthias__ | Hi all! |
| 10:02.04 | sep | darkbird, lok on the other consoles. alt +f2, alt+f3 etc |
| 10:02.34 | startxwhite | bob2: i wonder what would people do if they were to own a P233 96mb ram, sarge on a 8 gig hard disk and a 6 gig hard disk ntfs (but not windows2000 installed on it) if they wanted to transfer files from sarge to the ntfs volume?? not a single one of the tools would work for a newbie since there is no w2000 running |
| 10:02.36 | Andy837 | kevix: could i not assign it more memory? |
| 10:02.54 | kevix | Andy837, not possible. |
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| 10:03.05 | matthias__ | I'm trying to install debian unstable but the installer shows: "No kernel modules were found. This probably is tue to a mismatch between the kernel used by this version of the installer and the kernel version available in the archive." Any idea how to solve this issue? |
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| 10:03.21 | resiak | matthias__: Don't use Unstable? |
| 10:03.26 | Andy837 | kevix: ok, will go and dig out another gfx card! (what is the minimum spec i'll need) |
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| 10:03.33 | dli__ | startxwhite, why ntfs is there? |
| 10:03.38 | Andy837 | doubt i've got anything as high as 4mb tho! lol |
| 10:03.40 | paivakil | how do I add a new email to an existing gpg key? |
| 10:04.03 | kevix | matthias__, install stable and upgrade. |
| 10:04.08 | g00se | bob2: has the mkdir /dev/shm/you/ approach superseded mount -F tmps ... ? |
| 10:04.22 | subaqua | Hi ppl! |
| 10:04.25 | darkbird | i can't use console it does nothing more :( |
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| 10:05.11 | dli__ | darkbird, format the partition and try again |
| 10:05.12 | resiak | startxwhite: If you have no Windows install, why not turn the ntfs partition into a sane format. |
| 10:05.13 | subaqua | Do u know of a pager/fileviewer, that has no functionality except viewing and scrolling up/down/left/right? |
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| 10:05.17 | kevix | Andy837, that will be better supported. |
| 10:05.29 | resiak | subaqua: less |
| 10:06.01 | Andy837 | BRB |
| 10:06.16 | matthias__ | resiak & kevix: that is an idea too, but I am interested in solving it |
| 10:06.30 | darkbird | i fomate 7 times use 3 other harddisks |
| 10:06.42 | startxwhite | resiak: because there is important data on the ntfs volume and NO usb drive, cdwriter or backup device |
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| 10:06.59 | dli__ | startxwhite, network |
| 10:07.08 | simy22 | Hi gang, I've got 2 laptops, and on the second one, it has no video, its an older sony viao, i want to put debian linux on it, running ssh, so i can quickly use this computer, however it has NO VIDEO!, the connector has been removed, and ive been trying to see if i could rig somthing up, and ive failed, the LCD screen is broken, So.... bottom line, if i use my dell latitude to install linux to the HD, will this boot up in another computer, (i understand i |
| 10:07.34 | startxwhite | dli__: NO network. i am talking about a stand alone PC |
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| 10:08.05 | valdyn | simy22: it should, thats basically how i migrate to new computers over the years |
| 10:08.14 | fireba11 | simy22: chaces are good ti will boot |
| 10:08.22 | valdyn | simy22: though there is naturally hardware specifics like /etc/modules |
| 10:08.29 | dli__ | startxwhite, great, take the hdd, insert it into a hdd usb box, read on another stand alone |
| 10:08.43 | resiak | startxwhite: Do you have enough space on your Sarge disk for the stuff that's on the NTFS? I'm guessing not. If the NTFS is less than half full of stuff that you need, you could shrink it, make an ext3 in the space made, copy important stuffs over to that, turn the NTFS into an ext3, copy stuff back, delete the temporary partition and grow the first one to fill the gap. |
| 10:08.43 | paivakil | simy22: make sure you have a kernel with the necessary drivers for the h/w |
| 10:09.04 | dli__ | startxwhite, or, you don't have usb encluser, or another PC? |
| 10:09.15 | startxwhite | dli__: NO hdd usb |
| 10:09.18 | simy22 | valdyn : well i plan on using it as a standby computer for my car, i want to attach an external usb touchscreen lcd, and a big usb hd, and shove it in my car :) |
| 10:09.23 | darkbird | format is ok i think i tested with knopix hm how can i check my system ? perhaps i find there the reason why i can't install linux debian sarge on my system? |
| 10:09.41 | kevix | simy22, that would make a great HOWTO article! |
| 10:09.45 | simy22 | paivakil: how specificly do i do that? or will it basicly be ok |
| 10:09.51 | startxwhite | resiak: no sapce on sarge for the stuff on the ntfs volume |
| 10:09.53 | fireba11 | startxwhite: then pry it open and attach HD ^^ |
| 10:10.13 | simy22 | kevix: im working on it, i put it in an old amp case, so its easier to move and not get broken (the keybord is damaged) so, im working on it, lol |
| 10:10.14 | startxwhite | fireball: did not understand you |
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| 10:10.39 | paivakil | install on the working laptop, run modconfig to make sure that the modules for the other laptop will be loaded. that should do it |
| 10:10.39 | dli__ | startxwhite, just insert the hdd to another PC (which you do have) |
| 10:10.46 | simy22 | i know i need the 3139too or cp driver |
| 10:10.46 | startxwhite | dli__: stand alone PC |
| 10:11.27 | fireba11 | startxwhite: if you got a PC without network, no USB drive and no CD-RW then jstu take a HD and put t in that box ^^ |
| 10:11.32 | kevix | simy22, there should be plenly of notes on the modules and things needed on the net. so google for other info. |
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| 10:12.05 | f | hi |
| 10:12.06 | simy22 | kevix: i just want/need it to put, lol, ill put the pcmcia card in this laptop, that should make it use the module it will need.... |
| 10:12.06 | Maulkin | startxwhite: Ok... So, you don't have access to another computer right? |
| 10:12.07 | startxwhite | fireba11: NO spare hard disk |
| 10:12.13 | dli__ | fireba11, I expect his answer would be, his another PC doesn't not support IDE hdd |
| 10:12.24 | simy22 | now i feel like a dumb @$$ for not thinking of that before, lol |
| 10:12.31 | fireba11 | startxwhite: then how do you think this could work ? |
| 10:12.37 | startxwhite | Maulkin: no access to another computer |
| 10:12.38 | fireba11 | try using USB for network :-) |
| 10:12.41 | Maulkin | startxwhite: And you don't have a windows installation? |
| 10:13.18 | elephantman | Ok thanx all |
| 10:13.18 | kevix | simy22, yea. hopefully, hotplug, discover and such should help! |
| 10:13.18 | fireba11 | startxwhite: of just plug in a network card |
| 10:13.18 | startxwhite | Maulkin: no windows installation |
| 10:13.18 | Maulkin | startxwhite: So... why do you want it on the ntfs partition, rather than leaving it where it is? |
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| 10:13.19 | Andy837 | found a handful of old gfx cards - doubt any are up to it! |
| 10:13.22 | startxwhite | firewall : NO network. i am talking about a stand alone PC |
| 10:13.25 | Andy837 | what memory should i be looking for? |
| 10:13.36 | _root_ | stopping ebtables service dosent remove bridge module from lsmod. why ? |
| 10:13.46 | dli__ | Maulkin, man, not again :( he is simply spamming this channel |
| 10:13.53 | simy22 | kevix: ive had the laptop running debian before, wasnt a problem, the thing was i was trying to test viavoice (it dosnt like me, and i dont have the patience for it, nonethless do i want to endorse it if they stoped selling their linux port!, those !$#*, lol |
| 10:13.55 | kevix | Andy837, it wasnt the memory, its just that the cirrrus is not currently supported. |
| 10:13.59 | resiak | startxwhite: You might be able to make a BartPE Windows livecd that has ext2fsd, boot from that, then copy stuff around, but I can't promise that it'll work, and nor do I have any other ideas. |
| 10:14.02 | Andy837 | ah i see! |
| 10:14.18 | simy22 | kevix: so it has winblows on it right now, well, i mean it HAd, lol doing the install now... |
| 10:14.19 | yoo | Hi ! |
| 10:14.20 | startxwhite | Maulkin: space constraints on sarge hard disk |
| 10:14.26 | Andy837 | kevix: i've got a S3 Trio64V2/DX shall i try it? |
| 10:14.36 | dli__ | resiak, from the answers we got from him, I think we all should ignore him |
| 10:14.44 | kevix | simy22, I hate that! its an IBM program and IBM is supportig linux now. |
| 10:14.58 | kevix | Andy837, sounds a lot better! |
| 10:15.10 | resiak | dli__: I am stopping now, because I'm out of ideas. I see the problem he has, but I can't think of an answer that does not involve captive-ntfs or a spare disk. |
| 10:15.17 | simy22 | kevix: well, seeing as i only want some command support for voice, i dont really need that kind of software anways, there are a few options, and ill just learn how to use them.... |
| 10:15.20 | startxwhite | dli__: you talking about me? |
| 10:15.23 | dli__ | kevix, can we buy a thinkpad with linux installed :) |
| 10:15.24 | Maulkin | dli__: ahh, another one of them :) |
| 10:15.27 | kevix | resiak, have you used Bart? it looks kewl! |
| 10:15.55 | resiak | kevix: It served the purpose of being able to edit a file on a monged Windows install, but it's not _good_ per so. |
| 10:15.59 | kevix | dli_, not from ibm/lenovo! try emperor linux ! |
| 10:15.59 | resiak | s/so/se/ |
| 10:16.01 | dli__ | resiak, Maulkin from the answers, it's clear he is making excuses here, instead of finding a solution |
| 10:16.44 | bob2 | startxwhite: they'd be boned or have to install captive-ntfs |
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| 10:16.46 | dli__ | kevix, but I want a thinkpad, without paying m$ |
| 10:16.55 | yoo | i have a problem with PHP and squirrelmail |
| 10:16.56 | bob2 | g00se: yes (/dev/shm is a tmpfs mount) |
| 10:16.58 | startxwhite | resiak: to use BartPE Windows livecd you need an existing windows2000 running |
| 10:17.09 | Maulkin | dli__: yeah. |
| 10:17.11 | yoo | Reloading apache 2.0 configuration...Syntax error on line 4 of /etc/squirrelmail/apache.conf: |
| 10:17.14 | Maulkin | *sigh* |
| 10:17.18 | yoo | Invalid command 'php_flag', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 10:17.29 | resiak | startxwhite: *shrug* I'm out of ideas. Good luck. |
| 10:17.33 | yoo | vi /etc/squirrelmail/apache.conf |
| 10:17.38 | bob2 | startxwhite: ntfs is not a good form for data interchange |
| 10:17.39 | yoo | php_flag register_globals off ======>line 4 |
| 10:17.40 | kevix | dli_, thinkpad love linux but you need to get one from another vendor to get linux preinstalled. |
| 10:17.51 | startxwhite | bob2: you are right but there a no official captive ntfs sarge debs for those newbies |
| 10:17.57 | fireba11 | startxwhite: can you explain your problem in short to me again ? missed the start of the discussuin |
| 10:18.05 | bob2 | startxwhite: yes, they would be screwed |
| 10:18.11 | dli__ | Maulkin, we can not blame others, but we can stop (with or without using /ignore ) |
| 10:18.20 | bob2 | startxwhite: and would hopefully learn the value of not using proprietary formats, in addition to being pissed off ;) |
| 10:18.30 | Maulkin | dli__: Yup, done that one :) |
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| 10:19.53 | startxwhite | bob2: you are right. proprietary formats are awful but we do have to deal with them. take for example samba |
| 10:19.58 | dli__ | help needed for my ntp clients. ntpdate always jumps randomly plus/minux seconds :( never settles down |
| 10:19.58 | simy22 | yaknow what, being able to fully use the decrepit laptop that i have is yet another thing that windows just cant do, yet my dad still maintains that its somehow 'better' (albiet lacks the knowledge to say why or how its better, lol) |
| 10:20.00 | kevix | dli_, emperor linux has them. not sure if it costs less. http://www.emperorlinux.com/mfgr/ibm/raven/ |
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| 10:20.48 | dli__ | kevix, maybe I should simply go asus :( I can choose "no OS" |
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| 10:21.18 | kevix | dli_, I think dell has an option, too. |
| 10:21.28 | Maulkin | dli__: What do you mean? Is it running daily, or does it jump when you run it 5 or 6 times in a row? |
| 10:21.40 | startxwhite | thanks for all the help and suggestions, guys. i gotta go now |
| 10:22.25 | dli__ | Maulkin, I just keep typing "ntpdate -d <server>", it jumps randomly still |
| 10:22.27 | simy22 | kevix: yaknow speaking of dell, to solve my overheating problem before i forget yet again, how do i correctly modprobe dell, for the dell module? |
| 10:22.56 | dli__ | kevix, not really, dell has discontinued the freeDOS line |
| 10:23.29 | kevix | dli_, I recall the started a new one? |
| 10:23.34 | dli__ | Maulkin, very puzzling, I think I missed something in kernel, |
| 10:24.02 | Maulkin | dli__: Which server are you syncing with BTW? |
| 10:24.18 | kevix | simy22, sorry. never dealt with dell. but I know there is a dell specific web site for linux. |
| 10:24.41 | kevix | simy22, somethign like kevton? |
| 10:24.51 | dli__ | Maulkin, local, my gateway, or my own local machines, the same behavior |
| 10:25.00 | simy22 | kevix: no, when you build a kernel theres an option for dell support, thats all i need, i just dont know how to actually load a module, or find the name (if its somthing diffrent) |
| 10:25.11 | simy22 | kevix: i dont know what kevton is... |
| 10:25.21 | dli__ | Maulkin, if I just keep ntpd running, it never settles down after days. randomly adjusts seconds |
| 10:25.51 | kevix | simy22, http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers |
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| 10:26.07 | kevix | simy22, or http://linux.dell.com/distributions.shtml |
| 10:26.22 | dli__ | Maulkin, v136router.uchi 128.135.12.73 3 u 2 512 377 0.331 -1835.2 1804.44 |
| 10:26.37 | Maulkin | dli__: Are you syncing with an external server? |
| 10:26.38 | simy22 | kevix: well this is an L400, i saw a site that said just recompile your kernel... but i dont need to, i did, and it worked, i just miss being able to plug anything in and not recompile, lol |
| 10:26.56 | simy22 | kevix: its a laptop, i can look it up later, i just dont understand how to use modprobe... |
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| 10:27.13 | dli__ | Maulkin, you can see the filter offset and jitter are pointless |
| 10:27.18 | Maulkin | dli__: Or an internal stratum 1 server? |
| 10:27.30 | simy22 | modprobe modulename just dosnt work for me, i assume theres a directory i need to point it to, but i dont know which directory... |
| 10:27.33 | dli__ | Maulkin, the same, if I use pool.ntp.org |
| 10:27.47 | kevix | simy22, huh. modprobe install kernel modules. it does dependency checking. unlike insmod. |
| 10:27.50 | simy22 | my stress is related to my ignorance, i know, lol |
| 10:28.04 | dli__ | Maulkin, it doesn't even work with a server on the same 100Mbps LAN |
| 10:28.26 | dli__ | Maulkin, you can see my server is st=3 |
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| 10:28.37 | simy22 | kevix: ok, how abotu this, i need it to load the module dell when it starts up, lol |
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| 10:29.23 | Maulkin | dli__: Sounds about right. Is your *server* syncing to pool.ntp.org? |
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| 10:29.44 | kevix | simy22, do load modules on startup add them to /etc/modules |
| 10:30.04 | yang | How do i add additional IPs into /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 10:30.12 | Rawplayer | with vi |
| 10:30.17 | azeem | yang: what do you want to do? |
| 10:30.19 | Rawplayer | man 5 interfaces |
| 10:30.25 | dli__ | Maulkin, I can use pool.ntp.org myself. the same random behavior |
| 10:30.29 | kevix | yang, IPs or interfaces? |
| 10:30.36 | yang | azeem: add more IPs |
| 10:30.39 | simy22 | kevix: ok, now thats what i was missing, lol, now how to i find the name of a module without installing a bunch of stuff like when i built the kernel, the option is called dell, it says somthing like for dell support, i just dont knwo the module name.... is there a search utility ? |
| 10:30.47 | dli__ | Maulkin, what do you expect? if "ntpdate -d" doesn't settle itself |
| 10:30.54 | azeem | yang: why do you need more IPs? |
| 10:31.20 | dli__ | yang: you have several NIC interfaces? |
| 10:31.21 | elephantman | I have a strange process called "ssh-scan" |
| 10:31.37 | yang | no, i just have multiple ips |
| 10:31.49 | elephantman | But this command is not referenced on my system - What can it be ? Is it an alias of 'ssh-keyscan' ? |
| 10:31.54 | yang | i dont wanna add them by ifconfig eth0 add IP |
| 10:32.19 | dli__ | yang: what do you mean? like for different net environment? |
| 10:32.29 | elephantman | This command open multiple processes that make my system overload |
| 10:32.45 | azeem | yang: usually, you have one IP per network interface |
| 10:33.00 | dli__ | elephantman, I don't know, but sounds like a rootkit? |
| 10:33.05 | valdyn | elephantman: look what these processes are doing on your network |
| 10:33.26 | elephantman | valdyn: ok but how do i know that ? |
| 10:33.33 | yang | azeem: but i have more becouse its dedicated server with nmultiuple ips |
| 10:33.44 | elephantman | dli_: gonna check what a rootkit is :p |
| 10:33.55 | valdyn | elephantman: netstat -punt i guess |
| 10:34.10 | dli__ | yang: virtual private servers? |
| 10:34.12 | simy22 | what is mdetect? |
| 10:34.12 | Maulkin | dli__: It's odd that's it's around 30 minutes out. |
| 10:34.28 | Maulkin | dli__: Not sure TBH, I'd email debian-user |
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| 10:34.34 | nkuttler | simy22: apt-cache show mdetect |
| 10:34.46 | Maulkin | dli__: or try #ntp |
| 10:34.55 | dli__ | Maulkin, I tried #ntp :( |
| 10:34.58 | elephantman | WHat is default port 22 ? |
| 10:35.05 | simy22 | nkuttler: k thanks |
| 10:35.08 | yang | i get error on apt-get update ; http://pastebin.com/411942 |
| 10:35.20 | dli__ | Maulkin, I found this happens only to SMP machines, but not all |
| 10:35.22 | valdyn | simy22: that's ssh port |
| 10:35.34 | ircdevil | i have a eps image in 600 dpi and quite large. what is the easiest way to get it printed in a4 full resolution? |
| 10:35.38 | nkuttler | elephantman: grep 22 /etc/services ? |
| 10:35.48 | simy22 | valdyn: im sorry? |
| 10:36.04 | Maulkin | dli__: Ahh, some more info :) It could be a conflicting internal clock between the two processors that is screwing up ntp. |
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| 10:36.18 | valdyn | simy22: ops., was meant for elephantman |
| 10:36.26 | simy22 | valdyn: thought so, its ok :P |
| 10:36.26 | dli__ | Maulkin, yes, what should I check? |
| 10:36.43 | Maulkin | dli__: Erm... |
| 10:36.54 | Andy837 | ok, i think X is now working however the nothing is being displayed (totally blank screen) so i assume the monitor won't support the RES. how can i stop X running at boot ant drop to CLI to reconfigure?# |
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| 10:37.15 | sep | Andy837, ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 10:37.20 | dli__ | Maulkin, Oct 31 03:48:27 charm-sal ntpd[988]: time reset +2.945701 s |
| 10:37.34 | simy22 | yang: the last line shoudl look similar to this: deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 10:37.41 | simy22 | yang: notice the space's? |
| 10:37.44 | sep | Andy837, in there you can stop whateven dm your running. (altho you dont actualy need to do so in order to reconfigure) |
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| 10:37.59 | dli__ | Maulkin, Oct 31 01:31:44 charm-sal ntpd[988]: time reset -0.855290 s |
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| 10:38.46 | Maulkin | dli__: Have you got RTC enabled in the kernel? |
| 10:38.48 | yang | simy22: but it looks like that |
| 10:39.03 | Maulkin | dli__: And which kernel are you running? |
| 10:39.05 | Andy837 | sep: how can i reconfigure then? |
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| 10:39.12 | simy22 | yang: in pastbin i see stable/updates/main not stable/updates SPACE main |
| 10:39.37 | ma3x | why I can't view bulgarian written names of songtracks? |
| 10:39.45 | yang | simy22: this is from /etc/apt/sources.list deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 10:40.11 | kevix | Andy837, do you have gnome, kde, or what? |
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| 10:40.16 | simy22 | yang: hmmm.... |
| 10:40.44 | sep | !drxx |
| 10:40.45 | dpkg | methinks drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the X config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 10:40.59 | dli__ | Maulkin, 2.4.26, CONFIG_RTC=y |
| 10:40.59 | simy22 | yang: ok i see it just makes it one filedir for the output... hmmm |
| 10:41.21 | yang | Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 10:41.39 | Gargoyle | bob2: You sure getent checks against PAM ? |
| 10:41.44 | yang | simy22: mayabe some permissions issue? |
| 10:41.50 | dli__ | yang: that's bad, if you manually changed your /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 10:42.12 | simy22 | yang: to be honest, im not quite sure, im googling for ya, as thats about all i can do :\ |
| 10:42.49 | Andy837 | kevix: how do i know? (lol) im a total n00b |
| 10:42.56 | Maulkin | dli__: http://swift.cmbi.ru.nl/prive/past/johnny/linux-smp.html <-- may help |
| 10:43.05 | yang | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 125945 2005-10-27 23:54 status |
| 10:43.05 | yang | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 125384 2005-10-27 23:53 status-old |
| 10:43.43 | yang | i cannot install any new package |
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| 10:44.12 | simy22 | well root can read and write there... and my system shows the same... |
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| 10:44.30 | azzazus | how do i launch openoffice.org 2 writer from terminal? |
| 10:44.38 | Rawplayer | re |
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| 10:44.55 | dli__ | Maulkin, I tried ntpdate -t 20 already :( still randomly does +/- 2 seconds |
| 10:45.04 | valdyn | azzazus: oo[TAB][TAB] |
| 10:45.05 | kevix | Andy837, type 'dpkg -l|grep gnome' |
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| 10:45.35 | Guerin | azzazus: if you installed the upstream packages, consult the documentation which came with them |
| 10:45.39 | Maulkin | dli__: Not sure then. I'm sure it's some sort of smp IRQ type thjing. |
| 10:45.49 | liable | is it even in sid yet? |
| 10:45.51 | yang | simy22: i found this http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/01/msg02663.html |
| 10:45.54 | Maulkin | Can't really test it though, don't have any smp machines I can play with. |
| 10:45.58 | azzazus | Guerin: ok |
| 10:46.00 | dli__ | yang: if dpkg corrupted :( I can only think about reinstallation |
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| 10:46.27 | dli__ | Maulkin, could be it works on some machine, but not on all |
| 10:46.40 | simy22 | yang & dli__: ive actually had a similar problem, never could solve it... :( just reinstalled.... |
| 10:46.42 | Guerin | yang: move status to a safe place and copy status-old to status |
| 10:46.43 | simy22 | yang, ok reading... |
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| 10:47.24 | yang | is it possible that status got lost, becouse of "kernel panic" error , crash? |
| 10:47.27 | zvn | is it possible to dump a fixed length, say 5 secs of a DivX file to a new movie with mplayer? |
| 10:47.29 | liable | no |
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| 10:47.34 | Guerin | yang: almost certainly not |
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| 10:47.44 | Guerin | yang: what filesystem do you use? |
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| 10:47.51 | Andy837 | how can i reconfigure to get something on my display? |
| 10:48.09 | liable | Andy837: read your xfree log. |
| 10:48.14 | tonix | hi guys, i got an rsync problem... i'm tryng to mirroring a full copy of a debian firewall (root partition and var partition), but i got problems with ownerships. i tried with rsync -av --owner --group to maintain users and groups of the source. rsync map the uids and gids of the source with the users and the groups of the target machine. Ho can i solve this problem? thanks in advance |
| 10:48.14 | kevix | Andy837, how did you start X? |
| 10:48.16 | yang | ext3 |
| 10:48.19 | Guerin | !drxx Andy837 |
| 10:48.19 | Andy837 | at the minute linux boots, seems to go to load X and then the monitor suspends |
| 10:48.22 | dpkg | Andy837: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 10:48.38 | Guerin | yang: i'd be extremely surprised if it was filesystem corruption, then. |
| 10:48.41 | seeeS | tonix: what happens to the users? |
| 10:48.46 | liable | Andy837: you were given the info to read the log about an our ago |
| 10:48.48 | dli__ | simy22, what did you do to corrupt your apt system? |
| 10:48.49 | nkuttler | zvn: did you read the man page? |
| 10:48.57 | zvn | nkuttler, obviously |
| 10:49.11 | simy22 | Guerin : dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 i believe |
| 10:49.12 | yang | ok now its fixed, i copied status-old status |
| 10:49.13 | kevix | liable, Andy837 is using a new video card. |
| 10:49.27 | nkuttler | zvn: iirc it can count images, i used it a long time ago, so try 5*25 or something like that |
| 10:49.28 | Guerin | simy22: que? |
| 10:49.36 | liable | kevix: and that means there wont be info in the log? |
| 10:49.41 | dli__ | yang: that's great |
| 10:49.42 | simy22 | Guerin: im sorry? |
| 10:49.58 | tonix | <seeeS> well, for instance let's take the /var/lib/clamav directory. the original ownerships are clamav.clamav on the firewall. but after the rsync, the new ownerships on the target are messagebus.ssh.... |
| 10:50.02 | Guerin | simy22: why 19:48:55 < simy22> Guerin : dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 i believe |
| 10:50.04 | kevix | liable, no. just that the error may not be the same as an hour ago. |
| 10:50.16 | subaqua | resiak: less is yet too "powerfull" in the sense, that one (user) can escape to shell, call an editor,... and things like that... |
| 10:50.17 | Gargoyle | Does getent look in the passwd file directly? |
| 10:50.22 | simy22 | Guerin : lol wrong name, sorry, got confused .... |
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| 10:50.31 | Guerin | tonix: don't use <seeeS>, use seeeS: |
| 10:50.47 | seeeS | tonix: ah, is user clamav say 1001 and on the new host is user 1001 messagebus? |
| 10:50.58 | kevix | Andy837, did the screen look grey with a kinda of checker board pattern? |
| 10:51.01 | tonix | seeeS: yes |
| 10:51.21 | Andy837 | kevix: no - the monitor has suspended (so i guess the res is too high) |
| 10:51.31 | seeeS | tonix: what flags are you using? |
| 10:51.33 | yang | so, how do i properly add extra IPs onto eth0 ? |
| 10:51.42 | tonix | seeeS: it seems tha rsync is looking for the same users on the target machine... |
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| 10:52.07 | tonix | seeeS: rsync -av --owner --group --delete |
| 10:52.09 | simy22 | yang: why do you want extra IPs on eth0? |
| 10:52.13 | seeeS | tonix: well --numeric-ids will make it better or worse |
| 10:52.18 | Andy837 | brb 2 mins |
| 10:52.23 | kevix | Andy837, 640x480 and if that works try 800x600 but use maybe 8 or 16 bit color. |
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| 10:52.27 | tonix | seeeS: no, worse! |
| 10:52.27 | Zmanu | hi |
| 10:52.32 | Andy837 | yeh it just stays suspended! |
| 10:52.36 | Andy837 | ok brb |
| 10:52.39 | azeem | yang: iptables is able to do this I think, but this feature might be experimental |
| 10:52.48 | tonix | seeeS: is this a rsync limit perhaps?? |
| 10:52.56 | seeeS | tonix: is there a clamav on the taget? |
| 10:53.02 | yang | simy22: i want to use it for virtual hosts |
| 10:53.09 | simy22 | yang: in apache? |
| 10:53.13 | Zmanu | is there someone who use qemu to use XP inside, and use -user-net because I try to configure XP, but I can't ping it .... someone can help me ? |
| 10:53.21 | yang | simy22: in IRC |
| 10:53.24 | tonix | seeeS: no of course, this is why rsync put wrong ownerships... |
| 10:53.41 | ircdevil | i am having a bizarre problem. eps picture in gv = nice colors. eps pricture on paper = no colors? printed from gv, so colors should be automagic, not? |
| 10:53.45 | simy22 | yang: ohh ok, nevermind, i was gona say if it was apache, theres an easier way... |
| 10:53.50 | seeeS | tonix: ok, so what do you want it to do? you have a choice, keep the uid or keep the user if it is there |
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| 10:54.13 | Guerin | ircdevil: check colour ink/toner |
| 10:54.54 | tonix | seeeS: i'd like to maintain the same ownerships, to have a full backup of my servers. Can i use the uids instead of users? |
| 10:55.10 | seeeS | ah, full backups.. then you want numeric ids |
| 10:55.19 | yang | simy22: for apache you can use vhosts even on one single IP |
| 10:55.25 | tonix | seeeS: yes |
| 10:55.31 | ircdevil | Guerin: test page = nice colors |
| 10:55.35 | seeeS | tonix: who cares what the backup server calls it, as long as the client is happy |
| 10:55.44 | yang | simy22: so maybe I should add IPs as ifconfig eth0 add IP1, IP2, IP3 |
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| 10:56.00 | azeem | yang: I believe you are trying to tackle this at the wrong layer |
| 10:56.06 | tonix | seeeS: what do you mean? |
| 10:56.07 | simy22 | yang: youve gone far above my head, sorry... |
| 10:56.08 | seeeS | tonix: i do something identical at work, ls shows lots of files owned by user 103 or whatever |
| 10:56.10 | azeem | but I could easily be wrong |
| 10:56.27 | seeeS | tonix: but if i restore those files back to where they came from, it knows 103 is bind |
| 10:56.36 | Hub441 | how can i detach a screen in a screen? |
| 10:56.46 | RichiH | ctrl-a d |
| 10:56.53 | kevix | has anybody got the aptitude in experimental, its real l33t! |
| 10:56.56 | Hub441 | that detaches the "main" screen |
| 10:57.11 | tonix | seeeS: ahhhhhhhhhh.....yeah, you're right, there is the passwd file!!! |
| 10:57.14 | RichiH | Hub441: then rephrase your question :) |
| 10:57.44 | tonix | seeeS: thanks a lot |
| 10:57.52 | liable | kevix: why, what new bells or whistles does it have? |
| 10:58.00 | Hub441 | i opened a screen on a host, made a ssh connection to another host, and opened screen -r |
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| 10:58.10 | seeeS | no, screen in screen is ^a a d or ^a ^a d |
| 10:58.35 | RichiH | what /me would love to have is a tool that displays the dependency tree of all packages that are installed |
| 10:58.40 | Hub441 | ^a a d works |
| 10:58.41 | ircdevil | converting the eps to png using ghostscript directly also results in the colorloss |
| 10:58.42 | Hub441 | thx! |
| 10:58.46 | Guerin | RichiH: that would hurt my brain |
| 10:58.56 | tonix | seeeS: last thing, do you think i must use --numerid-ids to have full backups? |
| 10:58.56 | ircdevil | *sigh* |
| 10:58.57 | yang | azeem : well if I add extra IPs to eth0 like ; ifconfig eth0 add IP , then it works |
| 10:59.08 | RichiH | Guerin: but it can be useful for tracking down strange install paths |
| 10:59.13 | kevix | liable, it give you multiple suggestion as to how to resolve depenency problems. |
| 10:59.14 | Guerin | RichiH: indeed. |
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| 10:59.40 | RichiH | Guerin: so we are back the Wanna! phase |
| 11:00.04 | Guerin | RichiH: just don't make me implement it |
| 11:00.26 | RichiH | Guerin: i expect your script to be ready by tomorrow |
| 11:01.17 | hawking | Does anyone know of a des encryptor for linux? |
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| 11:01.57 | dli__ | how do I creat /dev/rtc ? I have the kernel driver built-in, but not /dev/rtc |
| 11:02.00 | kevix | Guerin, maybe debian can have its own summer of code (as google didnt let us) |
| 11:02.17 | kevix | hawking, would gpg do that? |
| 11:02.25 | hawking | dunno |
| 11:02.28 | hawking | if yes how? |
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| 11:02.51 | Andy837 | i have reconfigured X but when i goto run it it says its running, how can i stop it running (i did CTRL + ALT + F1) but it says it still running |
| 11:03.03 | pureone | depends what exactly you want to encrypt |
| 11:03.07 | kevix | des IIRC is an encryption method, which IIRC gpg has. |
| 11:03.27 | ircdevil | this is very bizarre |
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| 11:03.30 | kevix | hawking, if you have gpg, man gpg |
| 11:03.41 | darkbird | does someone know hoq i can check my system? i can't install debian sarge but i can stat knopixx hmmm any ideas? |
| 11:03.53 | rovragge | Each time kbuildsycoca runs when a kde app is started for the first time, it warns a lot about undefined mimetypes. The warnings are just annoying. How can I clean up my mime definitions? |
| 11:04.06 | liable | darkbird: new hardware? |
| 11:04.13 | Guerin | RichiH: ok... it won't be finished |
| 11:04.17 | rovragge | darkbird: what is the error you get when installing? |
| 11:04.33 | darkbird | nothing thats ne big problem |
| 11:04.37 | kevix | Andy837, ok. type 'ps -A f|grep dm' what shows up |
| 11:04.54 | liable | ne? |
| 11:04.59 | rovragge | darkbird: then what happens? |
| 11:05.04 | Guerin | des is an encyption algorithm |
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| 11:05.14 | Guerin | stands for Decent Encryption Standard |
| 11:05.25 | liable | i once knew a bloke calles des.. |
| 11:05.25 | darkbird | when it will be start installing packetes on 40% nothing more happened |
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| 11:05.39 | Guerin | and it means decent, not good or great, so you should probably consider using 3des or something better |
| 11:05.47 | Guerin | aes is always a good choice |
| 11:05.53 | rovragge | Guerin: D in DES stands for 'data' |
| 11:06.08 | Guerin | rovragge: you could have at least played along |
| 11:06.51 | Andy837 | ok X is running! |
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| 11:06.59 | Andy837 | crap res tho |
| 11:07.04 | Guerin | the rest of my statement is more or less true, but I confess I did make the 'decent' bit up |
| 11:07.09 | pureone | quick grab him before he escapes!! |
| 11:07.15 | kevix | Andy837, what res? 600, 800? |
| 11:07.43 | darkbird | the problem is at the installation at 40% it do nothing more |
| 11:08.16 | darkbird | i think i can perhaps search with knoppix the problem because knoppix is working |
| 11:08.16 | kevix | darkbird, you can go to console (ctrl-alt-f1) and peek around using ps and top to see whats happening. |
| 11:08.17 | Gargoyle | AHHH!!!! Why is all the info on PAM so effin vague!? |
| 11:08.41 | Guerin | Gargoyle: because pam is Not To Be Fucked With By Mere Mortals |
| 11:08.51 | pureone | hehe |
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| 11:08.53 | Gargoyle | he he |
| 11:09.04 | darkbird | hm perhaps i will test it |
| 11:09.06 | liable | thats actually a vague staement about vague documentation! :P |
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| 11:09.16 | Guerin | there's a reason why they named it after my primary skool teacher, y'know |
| 11:09.31 | Gargoyle | lol |
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| 11:09.44 | seeeS | the biiggest problem with pam is it documentation sucks |
| 11:10.10 | nksen | are there good free usenet-servers or may I be forced to use a commercial server and to pay fees? |
| 11:10.30 | Gargoyle | and I cant get it to log anything! |
| 11:10.40 | petemc | nksen: for binaries? |
| 11:11.04 | seeeS | gargo: looked in auth.log? |
| 11:12.07 | Gargoyle | not got auth.log |
| 11:12.10 | Gargoyle | using metalog |
| 11:12.24 | kevix | Gargoyle, my local lug has a presention (mpeg) on Pam: http://nylug.com/meetings/index.shtml?20040200 |
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| 11:12.45 | nksen | petemc: no, not necesarry |
| 11:12.52 | Gargoyle | ta kevix. |
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| 11:19.14 | petemc | nksen: google groups then |
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| 11:19.22 | N0S3 | hello |
| 11:19.26 | yang | Is there a good website for measuring download speeds? |
| 11:19.27 | morena88 | jkj |
| 11:19.31 | morena88 | hola |
| 11:19.55 | morena88 | algien de españa? |
| 11:20.01 | kevix | !es |
| 11:20.01 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 11:24.06 | liable | yang: what? |
| 11:24.23 | Andy837 | OMG |
| 11:24.35 | liable | lol |
| 11:24.37 | Andy837 | very basic interface - i was hoping for something a little more like fedora or something? |
| 11:25.01 | liable | Andy837: so install gnome or whatever.. |
| 11:25.21 | Andy837 | what options are there? gnome, kde... |
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| 11:25.33 | bob2 | hundreds |
| 11:25.39 | liable | and the list go's on.. |
| 11:25.54 | seeeS | kde and gnome being the most common |
| 11:25.59 | kevix | Andy837, XFCE maybe the way to go. |
| 11:26.04 | Andy837 | ok, what would you suggest for a beginner to learn but want to use it as a web server (eventually) |
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| 11:26.36 | kevix | Andy837, how much memory does it have? 32mb, 64, ... |
| 11:26.47 | Andy837 | 256 ram |
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| 11:26.55 | liable | Andy837: use gnome or kde, get comfy, try others, then fuck x off altogether |
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| 11:27.28 | hawking | does anyone know about DES here? |
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| 11:27.34 | black_Nightmare | hey ;) |
| 11:27.44 | liable | dpkg: des |
| 11:27.44 | dpkg | methinks des is the Data Encryption Standard which is a 56 bit block cypher developed during the 1970`s in cooperation with the US National Security Agency. Although the DES algorithm itself has proven to be very secure, it`s small keysize has made it vulnerable to brute force attacks by modern computer systems. As a result, it will soon be replaced by AES. |
| 11:28.00 | kevix | Andy837, apt-get install x-window-system-core gnome-desktop-environment gdm |
| 11:28.31 | Andy837 | i've installed x-window-system (is it ok without the core bit)? |
| 11:28.32 | black_Nightmare | not to be dumb now but any of you know where that apt-get site was where you could type in what you think you would like to know about and it showed you some info on that program/lib then also what other libraries/etc it would have needed? |
| 11:28.56 | petemc | black_Nightmare: packages.debian.org, if i understand you correctly |
| 11:29.05 | liable | black_Nightmare: apt-cache can do that, or aptitude |
| 11:29.06 | black_Nightmare | dpkg... 56bit is quite a bit small by now..figures, I mean we're like at 256bit and I'm sure there were larger's too |
| 11:29.07 | bob2 | hawking: it's really simpler if you just ask your question straight up |
| 11:29.11 | bob2 | Andy837: tha's fine |
| 11:29.12 | black_Nightmare | petemc...ah thats it ty |
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| 11:30.37 | Andy837 | so i run the command kevix just put? |
| 11:30.39 | kevix | Andy837, ok. so apt-get install gnome gdm |
| 11:31.20 | liable | Andy837: or just run taslsel and install a shitload of bloat :) |
| 11:31.27 | liable | tasksel.. |
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| 11:31.45 | black_Nightmare | just wondering about it but any of you have any experience with debian and older via chipsets? (especially tv/out) |
| 11:31.49 | kevix | Andy837, there are standard (bigger) packages and slimmer ones. |
| 11:32.21 | Kromonos | could someone send me the update-lilo script? |
| 11:32.43 | snail | black_Nightmare: what's your porblem? |
| 11:32.54 | kevix | Kromonos, what is wrong with 'lilo -v'? |
| 11:32.58 | liable | Kromonos: why cant you get it yourself? |
| 11:33.18 | Andy837 | kevix: yeh - im after something thats a quite straight forward but used widely (for me to learn and understand) and then use as a web server |
| 11:33.22 | hawking | I write a programme that encrypts with DES and gives out this "\021,\343Nq\214DY\337T\342pA\372\255\311s\210\363,\300j\330\250\312\347\342I\3215w\03561\303dgb/\006" how can i turn this into a normal text? |
| 11:33.34 | Kromonos | kevix: lilo -v is not wrong. The script is for a friend of me |
| 11:34.00 | liable | hawking: this prolly aint the right channel for that sort of problem. |
| 11:34.09 | kevix | Andy837, as others said, on a server, you only use the console, no GUI. but for learning, GUI is fine. |
| 11:34.11 | opqdonut | hawking: echo -e 'stuff' shoul woek |
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| 11:34.20 | black_Nightmare | snail..nah nothing -- just asking |
| 11:34.35 | black_Nightmare | still awaiting for my custom prebuilt mini-itx system to arrive here :p |
| 11:34.48 | liable | mini-itx? |
| 11:35.00 | Andy837 | so you reckon gnome or kde? |
| 11:35.01 | Kromonos | liable: Because I've removed it :( |
| 11:35.10 | Andy837 | been told kde is the better of the two |
| 11:35.23 | liable | Kromonos: so get the deb, and unpack it. |
| 11:35.25 | Guerin | Andy837: they're both as bad as each other |
| 11:35.31 | kevix | try gnome first. then you can install kde later. |
| 11:35.37 | Guerin | Andy837: try them out and see which one sucks less |
| 11:35.44 | microsys | hello, testing tells me that it is not able to authenticate packages, what package do i need to upgrade for being able to get authenticatet packages again |
| 11:36.10 | lindi- | microsys: put the full error message online to pastebin.com, i think it mentiones what package you need |
| 11:36.33 | liable | microsys: /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 11:37.11 | black_Nightmare | liable...you want me explain to you what mini-itx is quickly? |
| 11:37.30 | liable | black_Nightmare: sure, i dont have much to do right now. |
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| 11:38.20 | black_Nightmare | its a 17x17cm (using atx usually) form factor |
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| 11:38.35 | microsys | actually it tells me this on every package |
| 11:38.35 | black_Nightmare | and the one from via are supposed to be low heat and low power but have some nice basic multimedia features |
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| 11:39.05 | liable | microsys: just read the factoid and run update again.. |
| 11:39.14 | black_Nightmare | you could run one small cube system with a 1ghz cpu, 3.5" hd, slim disk drive, and slim optical drive right off a 60W power supply and thats not joking ;-) |
| 11:39.21 | microsys | i do already |
| 11:39.24 | sparr | dist-upgrade just deleted the irc client that i am using right now :( |
| 11:39.33 | black_Nightmare | oh yeah..all via boards come with mpeg2 decoder on them anyway |
| 11:39.34 | Kromonos | Where can I find the package for update-lilo script? |
| 11:39.55 | Guerin | Kromonos: there is no update-lilo script |
| 11:39.57 | liable | black_Nightmare: 60W? wow |
| 11:40.09 | black_Nightmare | liable..as I told you.. via build their cpu to be low power :p |
| 11:40.33 | black_Nightmare | there's even a few supplier of plug-in car voltage regulator too (smooth out the irregular 12V from battery into a smooth one the board needs) |
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| 11:40.45 | liable | black_Nightmare: no need to gloat :P i just wanted to know what it was. :) |
| 11:40.59 | Kromonos | thx Guerin |
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| 11:41.11 | sparr | configuring 1300 packages takes a while |
| 11:41.27 | black_Nightmare | liable..lol..well anyhow..most of the boards have one pci slot but in certain cases or your own DIY ones you could mount a 2-pci riser in anyhow |
| 11:42.23 | black_Nightmare | I was hoping to figure getting a debian-based distro running full time on the itx system as soon as I can get it. we'll have to see yet thou :p |
| 11:42.43 | black_Nightmare | I'm not sure if there's linux support for kworld cards |
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| 11:44.39 | kevix | Guerin, /usr/sbin/update-lilo |
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| 11:45.21 | Guerin | kevix: is it a script? |
| 11:45.35 | black_Nightmare | anyone have any idea if this could be worked under debian&based? http://www.kworld.com.tw/en/product/editing/004/e04.htm but basically its tv tuner, video-in, and a firewire400 port |
| 11:45.52 | black_Nightmare | I don't really need the remote thinge to be able to work, I always could use a different usb one |
| 11:46.48 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 11:46.49 | dpkg | well, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 11:47.07 | Zmanu | I want to install mplayer, but when I do apt-get install mplayer, that's impossible, and when I do apt-cache search mplayer, I have only mozilla-mplayer, and when I do apt-get install mozilla-mplayer, there's a problem with deps, and I don't know where find a link to add to my source.list, someone can help me ? |
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| 11:47.24 | kevix | Guerin, yes. and it links to /usr/sbin/liloconfig |
| 11:48.06 | Guerin | kevix: excellent |
| 11:48.19 | lindi- | Zmanu: mplayer is not yet in debian |
| 11:48.37 | Zmanu | lindi-: so what can I use ?? |
| 11:48.45 | sep | !tell Zmanu about marilatt |
| 11:48.45 | bob2 | Zmanu: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 11:48.47 | lindi- | Zmanu: apt-get install xine |
| 11:49.03 | elephantman | What is the best apache stats application i can install ? |
| 11:49.10 | kevix | Kromonos, the script you want in the lilo package. |
| 11:49.12 | microsys | err, what justifys apt to remove gnome when installing apt-secure? |
| 11:50.07 | Zmanu | ok thank you for your help |
| 11:51.45 | kevix | microsys, try typing 'apt-get install apt-secure gnome' and see what happens |
| 11:52.46 | kevix | Zmanu, Debian is about freedom. mplayer is not DFSG free yet. thus we have to go to outside sources for it. |
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| 11:53.55 | Zmanu | kevix: I've just read on this, and now I know why there's no mplayer yet in debian |
| 11:53.58 | Zmanu | :) |
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| 11:54.33 | lindi- | Zmanu: still, it might change sooner or later, mplayer is already waiting in http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html |
| 11:54.45 | kevix | Zmanu, running free software educates you on the limits of freedom. |
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| 11:55.18 | Zmanu | ok thank you |
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| 11:56.20 | zedboy_ | what happened to non-US? doesn't seem to exist anywhere. Did the law change? |
| 11:56.30 | valdyn | !non-us |
| 11:56.30 | dpkg | [non-us] where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/05/msg01355.html |
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| 11:58.08 | w3rdn4 | how do you cp entire directors and all inside |
| 11:58.11 | w3rdn4 | -vR ? |
| 11:58.27 | freenik | cp -r |
| 11:58.32 | kevix | lindi-, it will be a celebration when |
| 11:59.26 | kevix | time to greet the morning and holloween... see ya in 20 hours. |
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| 12:04.24 | P4C0 | hello guys, one question about ulimits, how can I change the ulimit -n (open files) for a user? |
| 12:04.29 | dimir | ftp://127.0.0.1 !!!!!!!!! |
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| 12:05.05 | P4C0 | I mean, i can only change the open files of root, and I need to change them for a normal user... how can I do that? |
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| 12:12.44 | tof | hi! do you know the name of the app wich handle the background in kde? |
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| 12:14.55 | kane-xs | hi. On a base install of debian, will 'vi' alwasy be available as /usr/bin/vi? |
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| 12:15.24 | valdyn | kane-xs: no |
| 12:15.43 | kane-xs | is there any editor available, guaranteed? |
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| 12:16.47 | valdyn | kane-xs: nano probably |
| 12:16.51 | tarzeau | kane-xs: there is an editor, yes |
| 12:16.53 | Maulkin | ed? |
| 12:16.58 | tarzeau | cat is there also , for sure |
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| 12:17.06 | tarzeau | so is awk and sed |
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| 12:17.35 | GG111 | . |
| 12:18.17 | kane-xs | nano looks aobut right.. it's in /bin |
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| 12:18.23 | kane-xs | this will do for my purposes.. thanks |
| 12:19.13 | valdyn | w3rdn4: you're probably looking for 'cp -a' |
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| 12:21.01 | win_DoubleHP | ******** sad day |
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| 12:22.39 | P4C0 | is there a way to change the max open files ? |
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| 12:25.25 | talifero | de |
| 12:25.40 | Nurbs | which document specifies when unstable packages move into testing and such? |
| 12:26.38 | valdyn | !policy |
| 12:26.39 | dpkg | from memory, policy is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ - the manual that describes how debian packages should and must interact with the debian system. see best practices |
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| 12:28.25 | Guerin | Nurbs: why is openoffice.org not in testing? |
| 12:28.30 | Guerin | Nurbs: ask dpkg |
| 12:29.14 | valdyn | Nurbs: http://www.debian.org/devel/testing |
| 12:30.04 | lindi- | Guerin: it is in testing |
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| 12:30.09 | Nurbs | valdyn: ah, yes, that's it. :) |
| 12:30.28 | Nurbs | thanks all |
| 12:30.39 | valdyn | lindi-: one version is in testing, but not the one in unstable ( which asking dpkg will inform you about ) |
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| 12:31.29 | Guerin | lindi-: yes. |
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| 12:32.30 | photon | does anybody know a tool which can read information (vertical and horizontal refresh rate) from the monitor? |
| 12:32.49 | Guerin | photon: hwinfo --monitor; read-edid |
| 12:32.54 | bob2 | photon: ddcprobe |
| 12:32.59 | photon | (for thinkpad lcd panel) |
| 12:33.05 | photon | thanks a lot! |
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| 12:33.35 | photon | windows just shows 60Hz |
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| 12:35.13 | vrkhans | hi |
| 12:35.28 | vrkhans | i have some problem in installing linux |
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| 12:35.59 | vrkhans | after installing its gives error msg that fatal error kernel init |
| 12:36.05 | vrkhans | i dont know what to do |
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| 12:36.21 | airox | Hi. Does anybody know a user space daemon that detects fork bombs and programs that are doing 100% cpu and can kill them ? |
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| 12:36.53 | bob2 | for the first, just set ulimits |
| 12:37.04 | bob2 | for the second, you'd want to be very very careful, but I don't know of anything that does that |
| 12:37.17 | airox | ah indeed, i should set those |
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| 12:38.18 | photon | bob2: a simple shell script should work for that ;) |
| 12:38.36 | Guerin | killing things which use 100% cpu is EXTREMELY unwise |
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| 12:39.04 | Guerin | there are plenty of perfectly legitimate reasons for a program to do so |
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| 12:39.33 | Guerin | while you're at it you might consider a script which monitors your memory usage and starts killing things when it gets too high |
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| 12:40.45 | bob2 | you could even put it in the kernel |
| 12:40.49 | Nurbs | heh |
| 12:40.53 | bob2 | and have it kill firefox for me at random times |
| 12:40.54 | Nurbs | and call it OOM killer? |
| 12:40.59 | Nurbs | ;) |
| 12:42.07 | Nurbs | I remember seeing some patches for limiting resource utilization per user, system-wide... would be nice to see those in mainstream. |
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| 12:42.25 | Guerin | heh |
| 12:43.31 | bob2 | the rlimit stuff looks neat |
| 12:45.23 | Nurbs | it's not the same, though. |
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| 12:46.03 | RichiH | airox, bob2: 2.6 has limited forkbomb detection |
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| 12:48.43 | Nurbs | tom@mojo-jojo:~/admin/kernel/linux-2.6.14-rc5-tom1-mojo-jojo$ grep -r bomb . |
| 12:48.43 | Nurbs | ./Documentation/ManagementStyle:remember not to burn any bridges, bomb any innocent villagers, or |
| 12:48.54 | Nurbs | ... o-k. |
| 12:49.24 | Andy837 | ive got kde installed but the graphics are all blurred i can't read anything! how can i change it :-) |
| 12:49.43 | bob2 | haha |
| 12:49.44 | Nurbs | nice document |
| 12:50.05 | Nurbs | Most people are idiots, and being a manager means you'll have to deal with it, and perhaps more importantly, that _they_ have to deal with _you_. |
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| 12:51.43 | airox | Nurbs: hehe |
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| 12:51.59 | airox | Got it the way I want it now. |
| 12:52.10 | Nurbs | really I nice read, mhm |
| 12:52.26 | Roxport | real quick: I can not make sarge work on my wintel mobo. Pls, where can I get .iso of previous debian release. Cant find it on the internet. thanks. |
| 12:52.48 | michael_1 | I need serious help installing FiSH for irssi. Anyone can help me out with that? |
| 12:52.52 | Guerin | Roxport: what faile? |
| 12:53.05 | Guerin | michael_1: nobody needs FiSH |
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| 12:53.08 | Roxport | "Uncompressing Linux.... OK, booting the kernel." |
| 12:53.19 | Roxport | this appears after attempting fresh install on empty hard drive |
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| 12:53.25 | Guerin | Roxport: what kernel? |
| 12:53.41 | michael_1 | Guerin: well, but the ppl I would like to talk to, do. So I can't do anything but include it. |
| 12:53.41 | Roxport | can't load the file system completely from CD (sarge - 2.6 kernel?) |
| 12:53.50 | Roxport | keeps stopping at certain packages and freezes. |
| 12:54.14 | Roxport | so i searched internet and others with problem advised they need to use old kernel, in case h/w conflict w/newer kernel |
| 12:54.16 | Guerin | michael_1: ok. perhaps we're thinking of a different FiSH |
| 12:54.38 | valdyn | Roxport: if you dont know which kernel you are using, then its more likely 2.4 |
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| 12:54.44 | michael_1 | Guerin: I think of the (blow)FiSH encryption availible at http://fish.sekure.us |
| 12:54.50 | Roxport | the latest stable release at debian.org is what I'm using. |
| 12:54.57 | bob2 | Andy837: might be worth trying the debian-x@lists.debian.org list |
| 12:55.01 | Guerin | michael_1: oh. Totally not what I was thinking of. |
| 12:55.05 | Andy837 | so how can i change the res with kde - do i do it from the CLI like with xserver? |
| 12:55.06 | Roxport | i got business card, netinst, and the full .iso (disc 1 and 2) |
| 12:55.20 | valdyn | Roxport: try entering linux26 at the first bootprompt, then you will use and install a 2.6 kernel |
| 12:55.21 | michael_1 | Guerin: so I expect you can not help me out installing/ compiling it, right? |
| 12:55.25 | Guerin | Roxport: try the 2.6; also try booting into expert and disabling all ide chipset modules you know you don't need |
| 12:55.26 | Roxport | tried install prompt: expert expert26 linux26 and linux |
| 12:55.39 | photon | hwinfo --monitor and read-edid don't display any information. any alternatives to test the horizontal/vertical refresh rate? |
| 12:55.45 | Roxport | now i can't get anything to come up. i think i need to re-format hard drives and start again |
| 12:56.10 | Roxport | problem is, i can't figure out which chipset modules i don't need. the list installer gives is kinda cryptic |
| 12:56.22 | Guerin | michael_1: irssi-snapshot might include it (in debian) |
| 12:56.24 | Roxport | i hardly ever get to see that screen tho. i've tried in expert also |
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| 12:56.31 | jolly- | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:56.42 | valdyn | !why debian |
| 12:56.42 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
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| 12:56.59 | valdyn | jolly-: .. and you dont have to compile everything for no benifit as with gentoo |
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| 12:57.23 | root | dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 12:57.23 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 12:58.08 | airox | thanks guy |
| 12:58.21 | airox | s |
| 12:58.38 | kurumin | try kurumin 5.o i'ts free and debian !? |
| 12:58.42 | Roxport | i tried netinst once, but it kept hanging when trying to get packages. |
| 12:58.50 | michael_1 | Guerin: how do I check if it's included? I got irssi running. All I need is the compilation of an .o plugin file that itself is being put in the existing irssi plugins folder |
| 12:58.57 | Roxport | all i really want is a bare-bones linux, text-only, to run a simple bzfs game server |
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| 12:59.09 | Roxport | this is way too complicated to get up and going, and I know it shouldn't be |
| 12:59.09 | Guerin | !find libfish.so |
| 12:59.21 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libfish.so' returned no results. |
| 12:59.26 | Roxport | has anyone here tried damnSmallLinux? |
| 12:59.34 | sep | Roxport, if it hung when getting packages you probably errored on the network config part |
| 12:59.57 | Roxport | well, i can see the linux box entry in the dhcp list of my belkin router... |
| 13:00.01 | sep | Roxport, just get cd1, it contains what's needed for the bare-bones install |
| 13:00.22 | Roxport | sep: yeah, i've had the most luck with that disk, up until it does installing base system. |
| 13:00.23 | Guerin | timgoh0: michael_1 not there. looks trivial to build, though. you'll need dev libs, presumably irssi-snapshot-dev will work |
| 13:00.27 | Guerin | bah |
| 13:00.45 | Roxport | and the linux installer sees the network name coming from the router, "belkin". |
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| 13:00.55 | Roxport | i've tried auto dhcp and manual dhcp config |
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| 13:02.08 | Guerin | michael_1: so, you want to install build-essential, perhaps irssi-snapshot-dev, and follow the instructions on that site, which look quite good |
| 13:02.12 | Roxport | when i reformat hard drive to try again, should I have partition magic apply linux ext3 partition? or would that be bad when trying to re-install debian? |
| 13:02.27 | multidex | i'm trying to ./configure ... getting no valid c compiler in $PATH |
| 13:02.53 | sep | Roxport, i had an error like that once. but that was becouse i had a error in the iso, making it allways fail on the same package |
| 13:02.59 | Guerin | !b-e michael_1 |
| 13:03.03 | dpkg | michael_1: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 13:03.05 | Guerin | !b-e multidex |
| 13:03.06 | dpkg | multidex: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 13:03.10 | sep | Roxport, boot the installer let it handle the partitioning |
| 13:03.21 | multidex | ok! |
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| 13:03.46 | zumbi | [OT] Do you know if ppc arch is mostly big-endian or little endian ? |
| 13:04.15 | photon | Does anybody know other tools than ddcprobe, hwinfo or read-edid to read the horizontal/vertical refresh rate of my lcd panel? |
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| 13:05.29 | Roxport | sep: this is with different packages each time, random things... |
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| 13:05.35 | michael_1 | Guerin: I followed all their instructions but when I try to compile I get weird output that I cant correct are you in #flood? |
| 13:05.41 | Roxport | sep: ok (on partitioning) |
| 13:05.42 | cahoot | photon: it's too new/old for those apps? |
| 13:05.53 | Guerin | michael_1: no. |
| 13:05.56 | Guerin | !paster michael_1 |
| 13:05.58 | dpkg | michael_1: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 13:06.14 | michael_1 | oki |
| 13:06.14 | photon | cahoot: it's a thinkpad r52 |
| 13:06.28 | multidex | where can i get build-essential? |
| 13:06.36 | photon | cahoot: maybe you're right (but I'm upgrading to unstable right now, anyway) |
| 13:06.58 | Roxport | sep: what about 32Bit Mode for the hd and cdrom drive (bios setting)? it is on, but I read where someone turned it off |
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| 13:08.16 | michael_1 | Guerin: take a look at this output: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1009 |
| 13:08.41 | ircdevil | openoffice website sux - where is the source? |
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| 13:09.26 | loxley_ | multidex: just apt-get it :) |
| 13:09.28 | Guerin | michael_1: what are you building? irssi, or just the module? |
| 13:09.48 | ircdevil | ah - got it. |
| 13:09.55 | michael_1 | Guerin: just the module. irssi is already up and running (0.8.9. (latest)) |
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| 13:10.23 | Savio_R | HiveDrone, I can't mount digital camera. I'am using udev 0.71. Any help? |
| 13:10.32 | Guerin | michael_1: which compiler? |
| 13:10.53 | sparr | dist-upgrade has brought me the beauty of kde 3.4! |
| 13:10.56 | kingmike | Hi anyone. Do you know how to mount an ntfs external hd read-write under debian stable ? |
| 13:10.59 | michael_1 | Guerin: uhhm .. good question. I assume gcc. how do I check? |
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| 13:11.21 | Guerin | michael_1: version is relevant. echo $CC |
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| 13:11.25 | sparr | with all sorts of eye candy that i have to turn off. again. |
| 13:11.44 | Guerin | michael_1: or ls -l $(which gcc) |
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| 13:12.53 | michael_1 | Guerin: do I have to be su for that? cuz echo $CC does nothing at all? with su the same? |
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| 13:14.01 | Roxport | . |
| 13:14.34 | sha1sum | good morning |
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| 13:15.18 | michael_1 | Guerin: ls -l $(which gcc) replies: /usr/bin/gcc -> gcc-3.3 |
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| 13:17.04 | Roxport | .. |
| 13:17.14 | zumbi | How could i open/extract binaries from rpm ? |
| 13:17.26 | Guerin | michael_1: i'm out of ideas. |
| 13:17.34 | Guerin | zumbi: using rpm |
| 13:17.41 | Guerin | zumbi: but you don't want to. |
| 13:18.02 | zumbi | O_o, why not ? |
| 13:18.08 | zumbi | i know apt |
| 13:18.22 | zumbi | but i need to look inside of an rpm |
| 13:18.37 | fahljse | zumbi: mc |
| 13:18.41 | Guerin | zumbi: so use the proper tool |
| 13:18.56 | Guerin | it's probably just a tar or an ar archive |
| 13:19.11 | michael_1 | Guerin: okay but tell me. where should I link the two directories in the Makefile to? See the paste at the beginning; the COMPILING NOTES. For the src I have just downloaded the source from the website and did a ./configure and make on it. |
| 13:19.36 | Savio_R | Hi, |
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| 13:20.01 | peq | how do i grep on the nth row in a file? i have a TSV and want to display only the rows that have the worth "here" in their 7th colum |
| 13:20.07 | Guerin | michael_1: that should be all you need to do. Suggest you ask someone else how they built it, or the author. You might try building with gcc 2.9x |
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| 13:20.45 | Guerin | peq: use awk |
| 13:20.52 | michael_1 | Guerin: alright. thanks! |
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| 13:20.56 | peq | Guerin, ahhh thanks |
| 13:21.02 | Guerin | !awk cheats |
| 13:21.03 | dpkg | rumour has it, awk cheats is see http://www.student.northpark.edu/pemente/awk/awk1line.txt |
| 13:21.18 | sparr | in kde, how can i make a combobox recieve focus when i click on it? |
| 13:21.28 | Guerin | sparr: ask #kde |
| 13:21.29 | peq | thank you very much, i need this very often |
| 13:21.35 | sparr | Guerin: of course |
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| 13:22.05 | peq | hrm |
| 13:22.11 | peq | its unfornationally not in the cheat sheet |
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| 13:22.32 | Guerin | peq: the cheat sheet gives you enough tools to cook your own line up, though |
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| 13:23.06 | tarzeau | damn piece of shit. someone using eclipe here? and it doesn't remove the .lock file when exiting? |
| 13:23.12 | peq | Guerin, yep.. i'll try.. i'm up for 22 hours though B-) |
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| 13:23.47 | somethingbad | i need some help about mrtg, howto use my own mib file |
| 13:23.51 | somethingbad | i need just an example |
| 13:24.43 | Roxport | i removed the partitions with partition magic, but now can't get any debian install disk to work. |
| 13:25.07 | peq | haha |
| 13:25.09 | peq | this was easy |
| 13:25.10 | peq | it |
| 13:25.17 | Stef | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:25.26 | peq | it's simply awk '$7 ~ /here/' <infile |
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| 13:27.31 | Roxport | how to clear my RAM without pulling (Teeth) modules? |
| 13:27.38 | Skaag | I have a directory with a huge mass of mp3 files, is there some tool that organizes them into directories based on the ID3 tags? |
| 13:27.49 | Roxport | i know every time turn off, Ram clears, but i can't get any debian install to work now. |
| 13:27.51 | Skaag | (artists, album name...) |
| 13:28.20 | tarzeau | someone knows what's SM_UNMON ? |
| 13:29.01 | azeem | tarzeau: google seems to. Appears to be some NFS thingy |
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| 13:29.11 | Dazgar1 | hi |
| 13:29.15 | tarzeau | yes we do have NFS user home directories |
| 13:29.18 | chriiis | Hi! I just freshly installed Sarge, installed all the "Desktop" stuff (>700 packages) and now some of my ports are open: port 22, 25, 111, 113 and 661. Debian never asked if it should open these ports, and (honestly ;-) I don't want to have all these ports open *by default*. Can somebody tell me what went wrong? |
| 13:29.24 | tarzeau | azeem: it seems to be related with the lock problem of eclipse |
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| 13:29.34 | Dazgar1 | is there php5 on sarge please ? |
| 13:29.43 | Guerin | Dazgar1: no. |
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| 13:29.49 | tarzeau | azeem: ok let me reboot the box, maybe that helps |
| 13:29.52 | Dazgar1 | any backport ? |
| 13:29.56 | Guerin | chriiis: nothing went wrong. |
| 13:30.17 | azeem | tarzeau: usually people get smacked for saying that in here :P |
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| 13:30.29 | SnuS | 'ello. IMP4/HORDE3 question ... is there any way to make IMP use the Real Name from /etc/passwd for the users as the default identity name ? it currently sends mails as dan@whatever.ro, for example. even though I have "Dan V" set in my /etc/passwd info field. |
| 13:30.43 | chriiis | Guerin: That's normal behaviour? Why is 661 open? Or, other question: How to prevent this? |
| 13:30.49 | Guerin | chriiis: 22 is sshd, and you should have been asked about that; 25 is smtp, and you were definitely asked about that; 111 and 113 are from inetd, and you were probably asked if you wanted to disable them. |
| 13:30.57 | Guerin | unsure about 661. What's listening on it. |
| 13:31.21 | kokoko | Hi - this is a different question, but could anyone please tell me the English meaning of the Portuguese word "fodão" ? Muito obrigado! |
| 13:31.40 | Guerin | sanity check: debconf does still ASK if you want to run sshd, and about exim4, and inetd, right? Always did for me. |
| 13:32.07 | chriiis | Guerin: I definitely was asked if I want to configure exim. I didn't want to. Debian never asked about the other services. |
| 13:32.29 | azeem | ssh might get asked at medium priority |
| 13:32.31 | Guerin | chriiis: you're definitely asked about sshd. Inetd I can see slipping by. |
| 13:32.32 | tarzeau | azeem: nfs problems often can only be resolved with reboots |
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| 13:32.40 | Guerin | azeem: bah, why? |
| 13:32.42 | azeem | tarzeau: yeah, I was just kidding |
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| 13:32.53 | azeem | Guerin: it's split up into -client and -server now anyway |
| 13:33.03 | azeem | so if you install -server, it assumes you want to run it |
| 13:33.08 | Guerin | do you at least get a chance to select a debconf priority any more? |
| 13:33.23 | Guerin | chriiis: what's listening on 661? |
| 13:33.34 | mjk64 | chriiis: Try lsof to find out the program listening on 661 |
| 13:33.36 | Guerin | chriiis: check with netstat -plaunt |grep :661; |
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| 13:34.23 | azeem | db_input medium ssh/run_sshd || true |
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| 13:34.29 | azeem | that's from sarge I think |
| 13:34.31 | saloxin | chriiis: nmap -sV localhost :-) |
| 13:34.40 | Guerin | bah, that's really dumb |
| 13:34.51 | azeem | Guerin: is ssh getting installed by default? |
| 13:35.00 | Guerin | anyone using a sshd is capable of turning it on themselves |
| 13:35.32 | Guerin | azeem: yeah, not in base per se, but as part of the install (the default list of packages after base which you have to turn off if you don't want them) |
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| 13:35.53 | azeem | hrm |
| 13:36.06 | mjk64 | chriiis: What does "lsof -i :661" give you? |
| 13:36.14 | azeem | d-i sets the debconf priority to high unless an error occurs |
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| 13:36.23 | azeem | maybe you get asked about the priority later on, not sure |
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| 13:36.44 | azeem | chriiis: you sure it's 661 and not 631? |
| 13:36.44 | linux_manju | hi all ... i forgot my nick password ;P |
| 13:36.50 | linux_manju | can anyone help? |
| 13:36.51 | simon_leb | Hi i have a debian unstable with kernel 2.6.12-1-686 . i would like to know how can i configure the sound that it will be shared by several application for exemple i would like to hear my softphone ringing when i listen to music. thank u |
| 13:36.59 | kingmike | is there a gui for iptables thats included in debian (I mean, like firestarter on redhats) ? |
| 13:36.59 | Guerin | pending the outcome of this thing on 661, that's still a pretty sane default setup |
| 13:37.01 | nvz | linux_manju: your NickServ password? |
| 13:37.02 | granito | it' s the best on the stand. if good the best . if bad the best. |
| 13:37.11 | linux_manju | nvz: yup man |
| 13:37.22 | nvz | linux_manju: you will have to ask a staffer |
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| 13:37.51 | linux_manju | nvz: > more info plz... am new to these stuffs |
| 13:37.51 | Guerin | 111 is needed for fam, which is needed by gnome; 113 is identd, needed for some irc servers and so on. smtp is optional. ssh isn't THAT big a deal |
| 13:37.59 | chriiis | azeem: Well, I can telnet to 661. It's definitely 661. |
| 13:38.04 | azeem | ok |
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| 13:38.18 | chriiis | azeem: But I won't get more information about this port. |
| 13:38.28 | Guerin | chriiis: you won't? |
| 13:38.38 | linux_manju | nvz: > how do i do that ? |
| 13:38.49 | nvz | linux_manju: /who *freenode/staff* |
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| 13:38.51 | chriiis | Guerin: I can't. |
| 13:38.53 | mjk64 | chriiis: lsof -i :661 |
| 13:38.56 | nvz | linux_manju: then /msg one |
| 13:39.00 | mjk64 | chriiis: (as root) |
| 13:39.02 | chriiis | mjk64: Ok, will test. |
| 13:39.07 | Guerin | chriiis: you haven't been told two different ways to do it yet. |
| 13:39.09 | linux_manju | nvz: > thnx man :) |
| 13:39.15 | dswanson1 | can anyone help me troubleshoot my X server? |
| 13:39.24 | Guerin | dswanson1: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 13:39.33 | Guerin | dswanson1: do that all before you start |
| 13:39.38 | dswanson1 | thanks |
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| 13:39.52 | chriiis | mjk64: rpc.statd 3447 root 6u IPv4 6582 TCP *:661 (LISTEN) |
| 13:39.56 | dswanson1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:40.03 | Guerin | nfs-common? |
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| 13:40.30 | mjk64 | NFS ... but didn't think that it uses port 661 |
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| 13:40.38 | Guerin | chriiis: try telnetting in to those ports from an external host |
| 13:40.44 | Guerin | mjk64: it uses all sorts of random ports |
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| 13:40.56 | mjk64 | Guerin: Oooh! okay |
| 13:40.56 | Guerin | which is why it's hell to firewall |
| 13:41.03 | Guerin | and better run over ssh |
| 13:41.17 | Guerin | more or less |
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| 13:41.26 | peq | ugh |
| 13:41.28 | peq | dont use nfs |
| 13:41.33 | peq | dont even touch it with 10ft pole |
| 13:41.38 | Guerin | peq: what instead? |
| 13:41.42 | Guerin | samba? no thanks. |
| 13:41.47 | peq | depends |
| 13:41.50 | peq | samba performs quite decently |
| 13:41.52 | guk | nfs was nice ... esp when you got the unix pack on your windows machines |
| 13:41.54 | linux_manju | Guerin: > SFTP |
| 13:42.02 | peq | guk, nfs == hellfire |
| 13:42.02 | Guerin | samba is a twat to set up and maintain |
| 13:42.12 | chriiis | mjk64: Can you telnet to my 661, please? I have no access to another machine at the moment. |
| 13:42.12 | guk | I found I got more speed with nfs and I could run wierd things like NFS swap drives and shit |
| 13:42.12 | Guerin | nfs just works once set up |
| 13:42.13 | peq | Guerin, piece of cake compared to nfs |
| 13:42.26 | peq | Guerin, at least samba doesnt randomly stop working like nfs... |
| 13:42.28 | Guerin | peq: bah, i can edit two config files and start a couple daemons |
| 13:42.29 | linux_manju | Guerin: > it depnds on what you want to do with it... |
| 13:42.35 | mjk64 | chriiis: Yes, I can telnet to port 661. It connects. |
| 13:42.36 | Guerin | peq: never had that problem |
| 13:42.40 | guk | nfs always worked perfectly fine for me ? |
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| 13:42.47 | linux_manju | Guerin: > samba can be as simple as editing four lies |
| 13:42.50 | linux_manju | lines |
| 13:42.51 | peq | Guerin, yeah, as long as they dont lock up or behave funny |
| 13:42.56 | Guerin | linux_manju: can I play video over sftp? |
| 13:42.57 | guk | ( I don't use it anymore ) but it did work |
| 13:43.03 | peq | Guerin, then you havent used it under load |
| 13:43.04 | Guerin | peq: like I said: doesn't happen. |
| 13:43.11 | chriiis | Guerin: ok, it connects from localhost *and* from a remote host. |
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| 13:43.17 | guk | oh ... and on Windows XP machines ... it allows full access to the drive |
| 13:43.19 | peq | Guerin, and in that case n/m, not a problem for you |
| 13:43.19 | azeem | totem might be able to via gnome-vfs and ssh |
| 13:43.31 | linux_manju | Guerin: > i dont see any reason why you cant do that |
| 13:43.38 | Guerin | linux_manju: i can. |
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| 13:43.47 | peq | FUSE works fine, too.. for ssh mounts |
| 13:43.57 | pmonger | or shfs |
| 13:44.05 | Guerin | linux_manju: mplayer is not a sftp client, unless I'm recently been proved wrong |
| 13:44.13 | peq | i've used its predecessor LUFS for a while, it was a bit flakey tho |
| 13:44.16 | mjk64 | chriiis: Your root password is not "test", I just checked that. :-) |
| 13:44.25 | chriiis | mjk: ok, thanks. ;-) |
| 13:44.28 | mjk64 | =) |
| 13:44.31 | Guerin | and inside a trusted network, I don't need the overhead of encryption |
| 13:44.40 | guk | yeah ... exactly ... |
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| 13:45.01 | jolly- | isnt there any configuration program for network device in debian |
| 13:45.05 | linux_manju | Guerin: > yup... hmmm.. lemme guess.. |
| 13:45.05 | guk | unless someone is tapping your switch ... and you got enough issues already if someones tapping your switch |
| 13:45.19 | Guerin | jolly-: etherconf |
| 13:45.22 | Guerin | linux_manju: ? |
| 13:45.23 | jolly- | ah thanks |
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| 13:45.23 | jolly- | :-) |
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| 13:45.58 | linux_manju | Guerin: > how abt webdev ..... |
| 13:46.03 | Guerin | haha |
| 13:46.06 | Guerin | are you serious? |
| 13:46.22 | Guerin | webdav as a substitute for nfs ... haha |
| 13:46.29 | linux_manju | Guerin: > you bet... :) |
| 13:46.39 | Guerin | you clearly haven't really used either |
| 13:46.43 | linux_manju | Guerin: > its not abt substitute as such... |
| 13:46.58 | linux_manju | Guerin: > its more abt how you can resolve ur issue |
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| 13:47.16 | Guerin | linux_manju: i don't have an issue ... nfs works perfectly. |
| 13:47.37 | linux_manju | Guerin: > https://oss.prontonetworks.com/ |
| 13:47.40 | jolly- | Guerin command not found |
| 13:47.43 | linux_manju | Guerin: > need more info |
| 13:47.45 | linux_manju | :) |
| 13:47.50 | Guerin | now, if I had to firewall it, or run it over an untrusted part of the internet, I might think differently |
| 13:48.03 | jolly- | there is no such command as etherconf:/ |
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| 13:48.07 | Guerin | !installit |
| 13:48.07 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
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| 13:48.50 | Guerin | linux_manju: wtf is that? |
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| 13:51.36 | pigor | hello |
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| 13:52.12 | pigor | i wanna install lyx ... but it seems not to be available for testing .. why?? |
| 13:52.24 | ircdevil | anyone succeeded in building openoffice 2 on sarge? |
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| 13:52.32 | jolly- | isnt there any configuration program for network device in debian? |
| 13:52.38 | chriiis | Guerin: You have an idea how to close these ports? How can I deactivate services under Debian? |
| 13:52.55 | azeem | jolly-: search packages.debian.org for which package contains etherconf, and it install that |
| 13:53.03 | jolly- | right now its using dhcp i setup everyting under the installation but after reboot its gone |
| 13:53.04 | jolly- | ok :) |
| 13:53.21 | deepa1 | is there a file visualiser that displays the updated file once a change occurs in harddisk to the file |
| 13:53.30 | pmonger | jolly-: just edit /etc/network/interfaces there is also a manpage for this file. |
| 13:53.37 | mjk64 | chriiis: Really completely deactivate? Not rather constrain them to your LAN? |
| 13:53.46 | azeem | chriiis: update-rc.d |
| 13:53.50 | jolly- | ok :) |
| 13:54.03 | chriiis | mjk64: Well, I'm very sure that I definitely do *not* need NFS and such things. |
| 13:54.08 | mjk64 | chriiis: To temporarily activate/deactivate services booted, you can use "rcconf". |
| 13:54.08 | Guerin | chriiis: sure. for 111 and 113, comment the relevant lines in inetd.conf. for 661, use rcconf and make sure nfs-common isn't set to run. for 22, touch /etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run - and for 25, dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 13:54.53 | Guerin | deepa1: nautilus and konqueror both use famd for this |
| 13:54.58 | chriiis | Guerin, azeem, mjk64: ok, thank you guys! |
| 13:54.59 | Guerin | unsure if there are others |
| 13:55.06 | cappiz | somenoe here knows of a firewall aplication liek jay's fireall that supports IP aliases ? |
| 13:55.13 | deepa1 | Guerin: in command line |
| 13:55.18 | Guerin | chriiis: any of them. |
| 13:55.24 | pigor | i have debian testing and want to install lyx. for stable and unstable it is available .. but not for testing. can anybody tell me why and what i can do? |
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| 13:55.33 | Guerin | deepa1: explain file visualiser |
| 13:55.45 | Guerin | !why is lyx not in testing? |
| 13:55.46 | dpkg | lyx is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=lyx |
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| 13:55.52 | petemc | cappiz: define supports aliases? iptables doesnt per se, you just operate on the original interface they're aliased to |
| 13:56.04 | deepa1 | file viewer like less Guerin |
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| 13:56.09 | Guerin | pigor: you may have to grab the packages from unstable, or grab the source for it and rebuild |
| 13:56.14 | sanxiyn | debian-devel-announce post titled "Transition time: KDE, JACK, arts, sablotron, unixodbc, net-snmp, php, ..." arrived. |
| 13:56.15 | sanxiyn | Heh. |
| 13:56.40 | Guerin | deepa1: oh, for reading textfiles. emacs does this, but it's unlikely you want to use emacs as a pager |
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| 13:56.59 | pigor | Guerin: is it usual, that it is in stable and unstable but not in testing? |
| 13:57.07 | Guerin | pigor: it can happen. |
| 13:57.15 | sanxiyn | "For the first time over the past months, we are now able to get a comprehensive look at just which packages are involved in this transition." |
| 13:57.34 | cappiz | wel i want separated rules for all of my IPs.... so i think you have to use the -d switch nad not the -i switch... if i block port 25 in jays firewall, it blocks that port on all of my IPs. you see i got 3 wan IPs, at eth1 eth1:1 and eth1:2 |
| 13:57.47 | pigor | Guerin: but .. can i hope that it come for testing soon? |
| 13:58.14 | Guerin | pigor: if you'd read the link above about why it's not in now, you'd have a good idea of when it will be |
| 13:58.17 | glitch- | can anyone help me out with an iptables script? http://rafb.net/paste/results/xUQgwy57.html |
| 13:58.23 | petemc | cappiz: yes, you use the -d to specify the ip, you can still use the -i switch |
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| 13:58.39 | Guerin | glitch-: #iptables |
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| 13:58.40 | petemc | cappiz: but if you put -i eth0:1 , iptables will complaib |
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| 13:59.16 | cappiz | yeah it will not work with -i eth0:1 |
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| 13:59.34 | petemc | cappiz: so, nothing really needs to know about aliases.. |
| 13:59.34 | cappiz | so thats why im looking for a script that works through that problem |
| 13:59.41 | cappiz | using the -i switch instead |
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| 13:59.57 | pigor | Guerin: oh -- ok -- haven't seen the link, yet .. thanks! |
| 14:00.03 | Guerin | could you not just use destination ip? |
| 14:00.06 | petemc | cappiz: as long as you specify the ip with -d, -i eth0 will work fine |
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| 14:00.19 | Guerin | right |
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| 14:00.47 | cappiz | yeah but i dont know the IPTABLES syntax, thats why im after a script.... |
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| 14:00.52 | cappiz | that support aliases |
| 14:01.12 | petemc | cappiz: its not that hard, find a well commented ruleset and work off that |
| 14:01.29 | cappiz | petemc http://freshmeat.net/projects/fbuilderplus/ |
| 14:01.37 | cappiz | says it supports aliases |
| 14:01.41 | cappiz | but it costs mney :P |
| 14:01.46 | cappiz | money* |
| 14:01.49 | frank2 | Is there an easy way to log keystrokes in an X session? |
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| 14:01.57 | beleys_ | Yop |
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| 14:02.03 | Guerin | frank2: i hope not |
| 14:02.12 | Guerin | i mean, there's bound to be, but ... |
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| 14:04.01 | enveezee | don't you just hate when that happens :P |
| 14:04.17 | opqdonut | hmm what? |
| 14:04.25 | enveezee | power went off |
| 14:04.30 | opqdonut | oh, jolly |
| 14:04.40 | enveezee | and my bridge kept bitching about forced manual fsck |
| 14:04.45 | Zmanu | hi |
| 14:04.49 | Neverth | Why doesn't etch, testing, have vlc? |
| 14:04.57 | opqdonut | this box rebooted spontaneously when i was trying hard not to wake up :P |
| 14:05.07 | Zmanu | I want to add a module at boot, where or how can I add it ? |
| 14:05.13 | opqdonut | /etc/modules |
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| 14:05.36 | Guerin | !why is vlc not in testing? |
| 14:05.36 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
| 14:05.48 | Guerin | seems like a hell of a lot of stuff is currently MIA from testing |
| 14:06.27 | opqdonut | sad |
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| 14:06.46 | Zmanu | thanks |
| 14:06.48 | Neverth | ... |
| 14:06.50 | opqdonut | np |
| 14:07.23 | shib | is it possible to change my screen resolution in a terminal? because i configured something wrong and now i'm in a way to small resolution :( |
| 14:08.04 | Neverth | shib, do you have framebuffer compiled? |
| 14:08.16 | opqdonut | shib: fbset is the command |
| 14:08.22 | opqdonut | if you have fb, that is |
| 14:08.29 | Guerin | fbset or svgatextmode |
| 14:08.36 | shib | ok thx i'll try |
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| 14:09.18 | sanxiyn | Guerin: vlc has wx-related FTBFS bug. It won't reach testing until it's resolved. |
| 14:09.28 | Neverth | hm...xchat crashes every couple minuts.. |
| 14:09.28 | Guerin | sanxiyn: so I read. |
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| 14:09.43 | sanxiyn | Guerin: Unrelated to current testing mess (which will be resolved, real soon now.) |
| 14:09.44 | Neverth | bah |
| 14:09.49 | Guerin | sanxiyn: oh, ok. |
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| 14:10.08 | Guerin | what's the cause of it, for those of us who are too lazy to read d-d |
| 14:10.24 | sanxiyn | Guerin: Current testing mess? |
| 14:10.30 | Guerin | sanxiyn: yeah. |
| 14:10.53 | genn | hey guys... I have a ibook that had debian on it. I want to put macos 10.3 on it. The installation won't let me get past the destination (no destiation comes up because there is no macos partition) I wanna completely wipe debian off of it and put macos on it. anyone know how to do this? |
| 14:11.21 | Guerin | genn: ask a mac channel |
| 14:11.24 | opqdonut | genn: wrong channel? :P |
| 14:11.26 | Guerin | genn: how should we know? |
| 14:11.34 | nksen | is there a way to install debian on a remote server that actually is running another linux distro? I heard about debootstrap but am missing useful guides |
| 14:11.44 | genn | oooh sorry, didn't know there was a #mac channel |
| 14:11.45 | nksen | th eproblem is, that the 80gb harddisk is mounted and cannot be umounted |
| 14:12.05 | valdyn | nksen: man debootstrap |
| 14:12.08 | sanxiyn | !debtakeover |
| 14:12.08 | dpkg | Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 14:12.12 | Guerin | nksen: it's veeeery tricky |
| 14:12.22 | Guerin | nksen: i wouldn't use debtakeover |
| 14:12.24 | sanxiyn | nksen: It's debootstrap, with details filled. You won't get it right yourself... |
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| 14:12.39 | nksen | Guerin: but? |
| 14:12.41 | genn | is there another mac channel besides #mac? |
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| 14:12.53 | Guerin | i'd use debootstrap to install in a chroot, then move the new root into place |
| 14:12.58 | Guerin | genn: no idea. |
| 14:13.09 | kerimeton | hello all |
| 14:13.14 | Guerin | genn: /list will tell you; beware, there are shitloads of channels |
| 14:13.19 | opqdonut | genn: contact apple support? |
| 14:13.21 | nksen | Guerin: stays the question how I get a new partition out of the mounted 80GB partition. I can't umount it |
| 14:13.31 | genn | opqdonut, they are no help |
| 14:13.44 | opqdonut | :P |
| 14:13.47 | genn | opqdonut, they just suggest you never of gone debian |
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| 14:13.55 | genn | but I want to sell it |
| 14:14.00 | kerimeton | i need help installing nvidia drivers, i have them downloaded but i need to know how to install them from a memory stick |
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| 14:14.12 | Guerin | nksen: you don't need to, you just need to do a quick cp -af /newroot /root |
| 14:14.12 | valdyn | kerimeton: what have you downloaded? |
| 14:14.14 | Guerin | err |
| 14:14.16 | Guerin | nksen: you don't need to, you just need to do a quick cp -af /newroot / |
| 14:14.23 | kerimeton | nvida glx |
| 14:14.25 | Guerin | nksen: or words to that effect |
| 14:14.26 | sanxiyn | genn: Some MacOS community on the web will know... |
| 14:14.26 | opqdonut | genn: my guess would be booting a rescue cd and then deleting all partitions and creating a hpfs+ one... |
| 14:14.42 | valdyn | kerimeton: isntall the packages and /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 14:14.51 | Guerin | the fact that the macosx installer can't do that simple task is laughable |
| 14:14.59 | genn | opqdonut, how do I create hpfs partitions? I don't have a rescue cd |
| 14:15.00 | nksen | Guerin: don't get the point. I need a partition that I can mount to /mnt/target or something where I actually can copy the debian root filesystem |
| 14:15.06 | kerimeton | yeh but how do i mount the mem stick |
| 14:15.09 | genn | just the normal install cds |
| 14:15.19 | Guerin | nksen: no, you don't |
| 14:15.21 | valdyn | !usb-storage |
| 14:15.21 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
| 14:15.26 | nksen | Guerin: huh |
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| 14:15.37 | opqdonut | genn: use some bootable linux cd from the net? |
| 14:15.50 | genn | yeah I have one |
| 14:15.56 | kerimeton | does private chat work |
| 14:15.56 | genn | but linux doesn't format hfs |
| 14:15.58 | kerimeton | ? |
| 14:16.04 | Guerin | nksen: you need tar, at a minimum |
| 14:16.13 | sanxiyn | genn: If you have install CD, I think, you can use it to install...? |
| 14:16.22 | Guerin | genn: this is not our problem. Complain to apple support that their product is shit and broken. |
| 14:16.32 | genn | sanxiyn, naugh, it won't show partitions that are not formated in hft |
| 14:16.34 | genn | hfs |
| 14:16.42 | nksen | Guerin: well. i appreciate your hints, but you did not help me that much. I still do not know how to start or proceed |
| 14:16.51 | nksen | Guerin: so... how should I start? |
| 14:17.38 | genn | Guerin, I know but they don't respond ): |
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| 14:17.38 | sanxiyn | genn: You can just erase all partitions and reparition? |
| 14:17.38 | valdyn | nksen: why do you think debian need its own partition? |
| 14:17.38 | Guerin | nksen: just install debootstrap in a dir. |
| 14:17.38 | nksen | valdyn: so you mean I can just debootstrap it to the mounted partition that is actually in use? |
| 14:17.38 | Guerin | mkdir /bravenewworld |
| 14:17.38 | nksen | ok Guerin |
| 14:17.39 | pmonger | genn: use mac-fdisk when booted from a linux cd |
| 14:17.39 | genn | sanxiyn, apples crap product won't even recognize anythign but hfs partitions |
| 14:17.39 | sanxiyn | genn: And? |
| 14:17.41 | Guerin | run debootstrap into /bravenewworld, go from there |
| 14:17.45 | valdyn | nksen: sure , just dont fuck your old system by deboostrapping into / |
| 14:17.57 | Guerin | nksen: beware; there is a LOT to set up, if you want to do it remotely. |
| 14:17.59 | genn | pmonger, how do I do that? I boot into the install but don't see anything to run mac-fdisk |
| 14:18.12 | sanxiyn | Or any other existing directory, for that matter. debootstrap rm -rf directory if you interrupt. |
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| 14:18.30 | pmonger | genn: can't you start a shell on your linux cd? |
| 14:18.30 | fsancho | hi all |
| 14:18.34 | Guerin | nksen: debootstrap doesn't set up anything that the 'host' os should take care of - no network, kernel, bootloader, /dev or snything |
| 14:18.39 | kerimeton | what if i have my linux partiton mounted in windows, i do, it is possible, im not crazy, mount-everything.com for info, how would i install it then |
| 14:18.44 | nksen | Guerin: yes, I want to. but what's that much that has to be done? I debootstrap into this directory and change the bootloader |
| 14:18.53 | sanxiyn | nksen: Yes. |
| 14:18.59 | fsancho | i would to know if is it there a way to disable preferences menu in firefox |
| 14:19.02 | sanxiyn | Change the bootloader and reboot. |
| 14:19.03 | Guerin | nksen: it's a LOT more complicated than that, but that's the basic premise |
| 14:19.04 | genn | pmonger, I can, is mac-fdisk something that linux has? |
| 14:19.19 | nksen | I'll just start. thx for your advices guys |
| 14:19.24 | pmonger | genn: yes (at least ppc linux should) |
| 14:19.25 | kerimeton | ello |
| 14:19.28 | genn | oooh sweet, how do I format if after I finish partitioning it? |
| 14:19.44 | Guerin | nksen: there's a howto or ten on the web - one guy bought a dedicated server running suse or something, and converted it to debian - and documented his process quite well. |
| 14:19.50 | pmonger | genn: i guess partitioning is sufficient |
| 14:20.07 | pmonger | genn: after that, try the macos install cd again |
| 14:20.24 | Guerin | fsancho: my firefox doesn't have a preferences menu |
| 14:20.45 | genn | ok, will do, pmonger know what partitions I need to make? cuz I think there is some newworld crap I need to make |
| 14:20.50 | sanxiyn | Neither my firefox... |
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| 14:20.58 | pmonger | genn: dunno, i'm no mac expert |
| 14:21.08 | Guerin | genn: ask the mactards |
| 14:21.10 | Guerin | really |
| 14:21.13 | Guerin | they care, and know |
| 14:21.16 | Guerin | we don't |
| 14:21.33 | genn | yeah, they suck |
| 14:21.39 | pmonger | isn't there spomething like #debian-ppc? |
| 14:21.40 | Guerin | yes ... unsurprisingly |
| 14:21.41 | Zmanu | re |
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| 14:21.43 | shib | hmm, can someone give me the command to change the resolution, i can't even read the help because the screen resolution is too small :/ |
| 14:21.51 | genn | you guys have been way more help then anyone, cuz you guys are debian like like me |
| 14:21.53 | Guerin | i hear it comes from using macs all the time, and waving their ipods around |
| 14:21.54 | michael_1 | is it possible to see (for root) interactively (well alike at least) what users are currently typing on their shell? |
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| 14:22.16 | Guerin | michael_1: why would you want to do that? |
| 14:22.33 | Zmanu | is there something to install to use a parrallel printer, bacause I install my printer (lexmark z12) with cups, drivers is ok, but impossible to print |
| 14:22.38 | michael_1 | Guerin: well, just curious what friends type in etc... |
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| 14:22.45 | Guerin | michael_1: so ask them |
| 14:22.57 | Guerin | michael_1: don't spy on people, it's unethical. |
| 14:23.27 | paivakil | Zmanu: are the parport and lp modules loaded? |
| 14:23.44 | Guerin | shib: console or X? |
| 14:23.47 | michael_1 | Guerin: I don't want to spy people, I don't even have ppl on my sys besides me. But if someone would like to help me I'd like to see him "over his fingers" |
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| 14:23.57 | shib | X |
| 14:24.10 | Guerin | michael_1: if you want to do that, use screen(1) to share a terminal |
| 14:24.17 | opqdonut | michael_1: thne tell him to start a screen and jpoin in |
| 14:24.18 | sanxiyn | michael_1: screen -x. |
| 14:24.29 | Guerin | shib: xrandr -s 3 |
| 14:24.36 | shib | ok, i'll try |
| 14:24.40 | Guerin | shib: if it doesn't work, choose other numbers |
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| 14:25.26 | Zmanu | paivakil: I do modprobe for them, but now nothing better, is there someting else to do to use parrallel port ? |
| 14:25.33 | Zmanu | restart cups maybe ? |
| 14:25.34 | paivakil | shib: sarge? sid? |
| 14:25.39 | genn | thanks dudes.. I will mess around with mac-fdisk, I really appreciate the pointing in the right direction, I could kiss you all |
| 14:25.46 | Guerin | !aww |
| 14:25.46 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
| 14:25.53 | opqdonut | :) |
| 14:26.07 | opqdonut | (i hope he isn't gay) |
| 14:26.18 | genn | genn stands for gennah btw |
| 14:26.25 | Guerin | sure it does |
| 14:26.29 | genn | haha |
| 14:26.37 | genn | :) |
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| 14:26.48 | Zmanu | paivakil: I modprobe and restart cupsys, but nothing better, Printer not connected :/ |
| 14:26.56 | Zmanu | and I'm sure that the printer is ok |
| 14:27.17 | cahoot | Zmanu: lexmarks seem to be troublesome in linux |
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| 14:27.28 | Guerin | !tardware |
| 14:27.29 | dpkg | tardware is, like, the sort of hardware which doesn't have drivers or spec released for it, and consequently doesn't work on any real OS. Notable examples include lexmark printers, winmodems, promise raid cards and cheap digital cameras. Tard if you make 'em, tard if you buy 'em. Ask me about <supported by>. |
| 14:27.33 | Guerin | ^ |
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| 14:27.37 | genn | haha thanks, I will tell my husband that Guerin |
| 14:27.38 | genn | lata |
| 14:27.40 | KurtKraut | How can I allow a user to use sudo ? |
| 14:27.40 | Zmanu | cahoot: I use it with mandriva and that's work fine |
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| 14:28.05 | Guerin | KurtKraut: man sudoers |
| 14:28.07 | sanxiyn | KurtKraut: man sudoers |
| 14:28.10 | cahoot | Zmanu: use the relevant parts of the madriva config? |
| 14:28.17 | shib | Guerin: i tried a couple of numbers but it kept saying: "Can't open display (null)" |
| 14:28.18 | Guerin | sanxiyn: laggage? |
| 14:28.26 | Guerin | shib: funky |
| 14:28.35 | KurtKraut | thanks |
| 14:28.42 | Zmanu | cahoot: I put debian instead of mandriva so I can't |
| 14:28.42 | Guerin | shib: drop to a console and do... |
| 14:28.45 | Guerin | !drxx |
| 14:28.45 | dpkg | from memory, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the X config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 14:28.54 | shib | ok |
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| 14:29.20 | Guerin | sanxiyn: did kaist's internet go down the other day? |
| 14:29.28 | Guerin | sanxiyn: ftp.kr.d.o did |
| 14:29.28 | sanxiyn | Guerin: Which day? |
| 14:29.31 | RIVANVX | !xmd5 |
| 14:29.32 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 14:29.34 | Guerin | sanxiyn: saturday, maybe |
| 14:29.34 | sanxiyn | Guerin: Ah, yes. Sorry for that. |
| 14:29.39 | paivakil | Zmanu: use the webinterface point a browser to http://localhost:631 |
| 14:29.46 | Guerin | sanxiyn: it was you guys all playing starcraft again, eh |
| 14:29.47 | Zmanu | paivakil: I use it |
| 14:29.57 | paivakil | configure the printer, and if it is already configured, modify it |
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| 14:30.05 | sanxiyn | Guerin: I'm not in school curently... ftp.kr.d.o had disk problem. |
| 14:30.16 | paivakil | is the port correctly noted? |
| 14:30.18 | Guerin | sanxiyn: are you actually the admin for that server? |
| 14:30.21 | Zmanu | paivakil: that's with http://localhost:631 taht I have errors |
| 14:30.21 | luci0 | lol |
| 14:30.23 | sanxiyn | Guerin: No. |
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| 14:30.42 | Zmanu | paivakil: I choose parrallel port |
| 14:30.46 | sanxiyn | Actually, I am just a normal user in SPARCS usergroup. I have no privilege whatsoever. |
| 14:30.53 | Guerin | heh |
| 14:31.32 | paivakil | what does ls /dev/lp* say? |
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| 14:31.53 | Zmanu | I have /dev/lp0 |
| 14:31.57 | MoAd | hi |
| 14:32.19 | paivakil | does print of test page succeed? |
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| 14:32.33 | Zmanu | no, the error is Printer not connected |
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| 14:33.01 | Zmanu | parrallel:/dev/unknow-parrallel0 |
| 14:33.18 | paivakil | printer is powered on? |
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| 14:33.35 | sandman | apt-get update doesn't appear to work with etch or sid |
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| 14:33.43 | sandman | Something about bad headers |
| 14:33.49 | sandman | bad header lines |
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| 14:34.02 | eps | what is the package that allows me to install kernel headers for nvidia...I updated to 2.6.14 |
| 14:34.07 | Zmanu | paivakil: yes |
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| 14:34.37 | paivakil | Zmanu: it should be parallel:/dev/lp0 |
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| 14:34.40 | eps | and it still has the headers for .12 and nvidia installer is being silly again...and I forgot how I fixed it last time |
| 14:34.41 | Zmanu | paivakil: I delete printer, and add it and now I have parrallel:/dev/lp0 but no print when I ask to print a test page |
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| 14:35.14 | gothtec | Can I somehow mount an ftp site to a directory, so I could, for instance, play a movie file directly without downloading the entire thing first? |
| 14:35.18 | paivakil | what does the `jobs` page say? |
| 14:35.27 | Zmanu | paivakil: the test print page say work cancel |
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| 14:35.49 | shib | Guerin: i tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but the resolution is just too small to read everything, i can't even read what i have to do |
| 14:36.24 | sanxiyn | shib: Resolution problem, from recent upgrade? |
| 14:36.30 | sanxiyn | I think I had the same problem... |
| 14:36.37 | paivakil | Zmanu: there is no such text onthat page. |
| 14:36.38 | shib | no, i just installed debian |
| 14:36.43 | sanxiyn | Eh, same thing. |
| 14:36.48 | shib | how did you fixed it? |
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| 14:36.58 | paivakil | Zmanu: please point browser to http://localhost:631/jobs |
| 14:37.01 | pmonger | gothtec: maybe LUFS can do that |
| 14:37.19 | sanxiyn | With i810 graphics driver, X server suddenly (recently) refused to start in higher resolution. |
| 14:37.33 | sanxiyn | shib: Take a look at /var/log/X*log |
| 14:37.35 | gothtec | pmonger: I'll have a look at that, then. thanks |
| 14:37.39 | shib | k |
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| 14:38.45 | sanxiyn | shib: If you see "width too large for virtual size" or so, you're being hit by the same problem. |
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| 14:38.59 | Zmanu | paivakil: there's nothing send to printer, and when I look at http://localhost:631/jobs, all the jobs I send are cancelled |
| 14:39.24 | paivakil | you have cupsys-client installed? |
| 14:39.28 | cahoot | Zmanu: checked the cups/error_log? |
| 14:39.49 | paivakil | Zmanu: see output of dpkg -l cups* |grep ii |
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| 14:40.43 | Zmanu | error in log PID 8310 stopped wth status 3! |
| 14:41.09 | abrotman | oh shit .. not status 3!!!!! |
| 14:41.13 | cahoot | Zmanu: might increase the verbosity in cupsd.conf |
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| 14:41.59 | Zmanu | paivakil: I have cupsys cupsys-bsd cupsys-client cupsys-driver(2X) |
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| 14:42.08 | Zmanu | cahoot: how can I do that ? |
| 14:42.46 | luci0 | j0k3r hello guy |
| 14:43.02 | luci0 | you live in br? |
| 14:43.11 | cahoot | Zmanu: edit /etc/cups/cupsd.conf |
| 14:43.26 | paivakil | Zmanu: see /etc/cups/cups.conf - it is in the comments |
| 14:43.49 | cahoot | Zmanu: see 'LogLevel' |
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| 14:44.33 | H2OyJaBoN | hi all! |
| 14:44.45 | j0k3r | luci0: yep... why ? |
| 14:44.46 | Zmanu | I choose debug2 |
| 14:44.57 | luci0 | nothing |
| 14:45.18 | H2OyJaBoN | does someone know a repositor to download deb packages of mplayer...? |
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| 14:45.32 | paivakil | Zmanu: now do /etc/init.d/cupsys restart |
| 14:45.46 | SimonRaven | H2OyJaBoN: /msg dpkg mplayer /msg dpkg marillat |
| 14:45.53 | Zmanu | I soon do it and send a new page, and I'm in error_log |
| 14:46.04 | H2OyJaBoN | SimonRaven, OK thanKS guy! ;) |
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| 14:47.27 | luci0 | how i register my nick |
| 14:47.44 | SimonRaven | /msg nickserv help register |
| 14:47.44 | Zmanu | and I understand nothing in what I'm looking for |
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| 14:49.22 | H2OyJaBoN | the marilat packages...run good? |
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| 14:50.00 | Zmanu | I don't understand because I found CONTENT_TYPE = application/ipp |
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| 14:51.11 | Guerin | H2OyJaBoN: they work. |
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| 14:51.37 | asdfa | anyone experiencing problems with booting the new 2.6.14 kernel tree? at first i thought it was gcc 4 in testing, but even when i compile on a sarge box it seems 2.6.14 freezes at kernel bootup. am i an isolated incident? :) |
| 14:51.40 | BucWheat | whap package includes xdcmp? |
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| 14:52.13 | Guerin | BucWheat: xdmcp is a protocol |
| 14:52.17 | sanxiyn | BucWheat: x-display-manager. |
| 14:52.22 | H2OyJaBoN | Guerin, ok =) |
| 14:52.34 | Guerin | BucWheat: you need X clients on one machine and an x server on another |
| 14:52.52 | Guerin | err |
| 14:52.53 | thewoz | how can I set a file to default to a certain group when it is created? |
| 14:52.59 | Guerin | an x display manager |
| 14:53.00 | takatumi | asdfa: works here. |
| 14:53.03 | Guerin | not clients |
| 14:53.16 | nekostar | happy halloween *goes to work* |
| 14:53.16 | sanxiyn | Guerin: That "client" and "server" thing in X world is hell lot confusing. |
| 14:53.36 | BucWheat | k. thanks |
| 14:53.53 | Zmanu | I understand nothing in the log of cups, I see no errors |
| 14:53.57 | Savio_R | HiveDrone, udev don't mount sda1. I can't mount a digital camera. Any help? |
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| 14:54.34 | paivakil | Zmanu: http://localhost:631/jobs still does not show any jobs? |
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| 14:54.40 | luci0 | Savio_R mount usb device |
| 14:54.54 | luci0 | Savio_R using Gphoto |
| 14:55.00 | Zmanu | paivakil: no jobs |
| 14:55.34 | Zmanu | http://localhost:631/printers/lexmark?which_jobs=completed <== here I see all the jobs I send are cancelled |
| 14:55.56 | michael_1 | what is a gooood media player for linux? mplayer? |
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| 14:56.08 | Zmanu | totem xine |
| 14:56.41 | luci0 | gmplayer |
| 14:56.45 | ptlis | Dpkg's deCSS msg needs updating - it currently links to one page that no longer exists and another that's being used by some dodgey domain parking company. |
| 14:56.54 | Zmanu | [Job 9] Process dying with "Error closing renderer", exit stat: 3 |
| 14:56.54 | Zmanu | D [31/Oct/2005:15:54:05 +0100] [Job 9] error: Bad file descriptor (9) |
| 14:56.57 | Zmanu | D [31/Oct/2005:15:54:05 +0100] [Job 9] Error closing renderer |
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| 14:57.09 | Zmanu | paivakil: that's what I found in error_log |
| 14:57.11 | Savio_R | luci0, Gphoto doesn't mount my sony w5. I need to mount by command line: mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt |
| 14:57.20 | fireba11 | ptlis: then update it |
| 14:57.23 | cahoot | Zmanu: ghostscript installed? |
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| 14:57.57 | ptlis | fireba11, how? |
| 14:58.12 | Zmanu | gs is install |
| 14:58.15 | paivakil | Zmanu: some problem with the filter |
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| 14:58.52 | zedboy | anyone w/exp w/Force-LoopBreak |
| 14:59.01 | paivakil | Zmanu: dpkg-reconfigure cupsys-driver-gimpprint |
| 14:59.08 | paivakil | or gutenprint, whatever you have |
| 14:59.17 | Zmanu | paivakil: but gs-esp is not installed |
| 14:59.21 | fireba11 | ptlis /msg dpkg forget deCSS /msk dpkg deCSS is ... |
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| 14:59.37 | ptlis | fireba11, thanks. |
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| 15:00.12 | microsys | hello again, after running build-dep wine, i was told that x-windows-system-core would be removed. i actually think this is truly bad ;P |
| 15:00.33 | Zmanu | paivakil: no Gimp-print PPPD files to update |
| 15:00.47 | monster | Is qt4.0 on debian package? |
| 15:00.52 | microsys | i guess this is caused by wine using unstable ressources, is it? |
| 15:00.56 | paivakil | Zmanu: find a raw txt file, and as root, do a cat txtfile > /dev/lp0 |
| 15:01.07 | RichiH | microsys: conflicting requirements |
| 15:01.07 | Zmanu | paivakil: that's ok now, I don't have gs-esp |
| 15:01.12 | RichiH | microsys: best thing to do is to sit & wait for it to be resolved |
| 15:01.20 | RichiH | microsys: or investigate what is causing this |
| 15:01.27 | Zmanu | paivakil: thank a lot for time you give to help me |
| 15:01.37 | RichiH | though chances are you will not be able to change it |
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| 15:01.47 | RichiH | microsys: quite possibly |
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| 15:02.11 | microsys | actually i just wanna run my WoW under linux ... ;P this will be 2 hard days again |
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| 15:02.30 | RichiH | microsys: i am not sure if you would not need cedega for that |
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| 15:03.13 | teledat | hi folks |
| 15:03.56 | teledat | i did an dist-upgrade an now i can't connect to my ssh server anymore, though it is running and the port is open. does anybody know what is going on? |
| 15:04.05 | zedboy | microsys: WoW, as in, the ugly ADSL thing? |
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| 15:06.24 | microsys | err |
| 15:06.30 | microsys | wow like the game wow |
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| 15:09.02 | Nrg_ | hi |
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| 15:09.19 | Nrg_ | should linux-headers-2.6.14-1-686-smp include asm/linkage.h ? |
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| 15:09.47 | Nrg_ | I'm trying to build nvidia-kernel-source for 2.6.14-1-686-smp and that file cannot be found/included.. |
| 15:10.13 | Nrg_ | and it doesn't seem to be in the package |
| 15:10.33 | Nrg_ | but it's in 2.6.12-1-686-smp |
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| 15:12.34 | microsys | there was a command to do this automatically, ma ? |
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| 15:13.00 | eps | is 2.6.14 built using gcc4 or 3 |
| 15:13.26 | thingfish | gcc4, no doubt. |
| 15:13.36 | lindi- | sounds risky :) |
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| 15:13.47 | eps | mmm, cause I'm having problems compiling nvidia graphics drivers under .14 |
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| 15:14.17 | eps | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:14.47 | eps | I have kernel-headers-2.6.14-1-686 installed so it can't be that :| |
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| 15:15.46 | microsys | eps |
| 15:15.52 | eps | yes |
| 15:16.00 | GloX | how do I block all traffic to a specific port ? |
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| 15:16.11 | bbrazil | eps: cat /proc/version |
| 15:16.11 | GloX | I need it fast, ddos attack :( |
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| 15:16.23 | Mage\work | iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport <port> -i <iface> -j DROP |
| 15:16.28 | Nrg_ | eps, heh.. I'm having the same problem |
| 15:17.07 | Nrg_ | eps, 2.6.14-1 package doesn't seem to contain linkage.h for some reason |
| 15:17.07 | bbrazil | GloX: change the -A to -I in the above example |
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| 15:17.07 | Mage\work | right |
| 15:17.07 | eps | Nrg_ ah so I'm not the only one :P |
| 15:17.07 | Mage\work | iptables -I INPUT 1 -p tcp --dport <port> -i <iface> -j DROP |
| 15:17.08 | UdontKnow | GloX: is it tcp or udp? |
| 15:17.08 | GloX | thanks |
| 15:17.10 | GloX | tcp |
| 15:17.23 | UdontKnow | GloX: do you use syncookies? |
| 15:17.43 | bbrazil | Mage\work: yours would put it at the end of the input chain - other rules might still let it through |
| 15:17.52 | GloX | no idea |
| 15:17.54 | Mage\work | yep |
| 15:18.09 | eps | Nrg_ is there anything we can do about it, as I've tried the usual things when this happens and none have an effect |
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| 15:18.54 | saloxin | GloX: depending on kernel version it might be # cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_syncookies |
| 15:19.41 | Nrg_ | eps, I'm just figuring out if that file is removed from kernel or why it's not in the kernel-headers package |
| 15:19.48 | Nrg_ | eps, that file IS in 2.6.12-1-686 |
| 15:19.54 | Nrg_ | but not in 2.6.14-1-686 |
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| 15:20.36 | GloX | well it's too late, server is down |
| 15:20.41 | GloX | to* |
| 15:20.46 | eps | yes I see it in .8 and .12 |
| 15:21.04 | saloxin | aaww, keep ssh'ing you might sneak in |
| 15:22.07 | eps | they aren't in 2.6.13+0rc3-2 either Nrg_ |
| 15:22.20 | microsys | nvidia-howto |
| 15:22.25 | microsys | dpkg |
| 15:22.32 | GloX | no saloxin, it's a dedicated box, they turned it off |
| 15:22.41 | microsys | dpkg tell eps about nvidia-howto |
| 15:22.48 | Nrg_ | nvidia howto wont help |
| 15:22.59 | microsys | it worked fine for me |
| 15:23.05 | Nrg_ | module-assistant fails to build the kernel source |
| 15:23.08 | eps | microsys what kernel are you using? |
| 15:23.11 | microsys | ok |
| 15:23.13 | Nrg_ | and manual build fails also |
| 15:23.15 | GloX | I had 5 minutes to block the port |
| 15:23.18 | Nrg_ | because of the missing file |
| 15:23.20 | microsys | actually i had a smp too |
| 15:23.26 | Nrg_ | well I have smp too |
| 15:23.30 | eps | microsys what kernel? |
| 15:23.41 | microsys | been a while now, 2.6.1x |
| 15:23.47 | eps | uname -a |
| 15:23.50 | eps | what is the x |
| 15:23.58 | Nrg_ | 2.6.12-1-686-smp and nvidia worked ok |
| 15:24.05 | Nrg_ | 2.6.14-1-686-smp and nvidia doesn't compile |
| 15:24.22 | Nrg_ | maybe nvidia's driver shouldn't include linkage.h ? |
| 15:24.25 | microsys | 12 i guess |
| 15:24.29 | Nrg_ | let's try |
| 15:24.30 | microsys | ;P |
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| 15:24.41 | Nrg_ | (well I bet it needs it ;) |
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| 15:24.45 | jcdubacq | hi |
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| 15:25.00 | jcdubacq | I would like to install nvidia kernel driver with my 2.6.14 |
| 15:25.05 | eps | mmm why can't we just get it to grab linkage.h from /usr/include/asm? instead of /usr/src/kernel-headers-x/include/asm? |
| 15:25.12 | eps | jcdubacq haha, join the queue :D |
| 15:25.13 | microsys | as i get told now within 13 it does not work, i think it has been 12 |
| 15:25.14 | jcdubacq | anybody knows how? |
| 15:25.19 | Nrg_ | hmm, it's not in nvidia sources |
| 15:25.23 | jcdubacq | ok, thanks |
| 15:25.28 | eps | jcdubacq Nrg_ is working on it |
| 15:25.31 | Nrg_ | asm/linkage.h is included in include/linux/linkage.h |
| 15:25.37 | Nrg_ | so it's missing from debian debs.. |
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| 15:25.56 | Nrg_ | why oh why |
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| 15:26.07 | Mage\work | I have the same problem for the ATI drivers |
| 15:26.16 | jcdubacq | ok |
| 15:27.11 | zumbi | !hi |
| 15:27.11 | dpkg | hello, zumbi |
| 15:27.15 | eps | Nrg_ I suggest submitting a bug for the package? |
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| 15:27.53 | Nrg_ | eps, I'm just downloading vanilla 2.6.14 source to check if linkage.h is there |
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| 15:28.00 | jcdubacq | I remember when installing the kernel that there was a problem with the include/asm directory |
| 15:28.06 | Mage\work | the 2.6.14 kernel has been so quickly putted in the unstable branch ... |
| 15:28.14 | eps | Nrg_ appears so, the nvidia forum has people who used vanilla with no problems |
| 15:28.27 | mjk64 | Why the FSCK is there no "ALL: ALL" in /etc/hosts.deny by default in Debian? This should not be! Or otherwise, please explain the Debian security policy to me. |
| 15:28.52 | Mage\work | mjk64: what are you taling about ? |
| 15:29.08 | Mage\work | /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny is used by tcpwrappers |
| 15:29.13 | eps | Mage yeah it was very quick, I was shocked when I saw it in my updates...didn't even realise that .13 had been frozen :P |
| 15:29.18 | mjk64 | Mage\work: hosts.deny is empty by default (only comments). |
| 15:29.18 | Mage\work | or by some daemon (like openssh) |
| 15:29.26 | GloX | could someone explain to me what "syncookies" are ? |
| 15:29.51 | mjk64 | Mage\work: Yeah, I know ... and it should contain ALL: ALL by default and not leave all ports open to the public. |
| 15:29.56 | mjk64 | Mage\work: At least not by default. |
| 15:29.58 | Mage\work | GloX: SYN cookies are particular choices of initial TCP sequence numbers by TCP servers. |
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| 15:30.34 | Nrg_ | any debian kernel maintainers here? |
| 15:30.45 | GloX | so I would have to turn them on to limit syn flooding ? |
| 15:30.46 | brosioz | anyone known a plugin to see ps file on firefox ? |
| 15:30.48 | Nrg_ | who could comment about asm/linkage.h ? |
| 15:30.49 | mjk64 | Mage\work: I'm sure Debian packages are quite secure, but one should not rely on it blindly. |
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| 15:31.20 | Mage\work | debian is not secure with default installation |
| 15:31.27 | Mage\work | like many distro |
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| 15:31.33 | mjk64 | Mage\work: fsfj hargl? Why not?? |
| 15:31.33 | Mage\work | it's your job to secure it |
| 15:31.50 | zinx | Mage\work: There is no default installation. |
| 15:31.54 | Nrg_ | eps, just checked.. there IS asm-i386/linkage.h in vanilla kernel sources. |
| 15:32.08 | Nrg_ | eps, for some unknown reason debian linux-headers package is missing it.. |
| 15:32.20 | applejax33 | is there an aptitude install to upgrade to php5 |
| 15:32.21 | Mage\work | zinx: I mean the standard installation |
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| 15:32.27 | mjk64 | zinx: Yes, but shouldn't a minimum of security checks be done after an install, regardless of the kind of installation? |
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| 15:32.42 | zinx | Mage\work: There's no standard. there's a base. the base doesn't include anything but exim, afaik. |
| 15:32.48 | Mage\work | yes |
| 15:33.04 | Ungy | applejax33, apt-cache search php5 |
| 15:33.19 | zinx | mjk64: he's probably using a different definition of secure |
| 15:33.28 | zinx | mjk64: a base debian installation isn't going to get pwned |
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| 15:33.34 | mjk64 | zinx: Most likely ... %-) |
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| 15:33.40 | eps | Nrg_ I'm just going over the log file in more detail...there might be another file or two missing |
| 15:33.45 | mjk64 | zinx: Not? Hmm ... but you cannot be sure of that .. |
| 15:33.59 | eps | also apt-file search linkage.h appears in all kernels until .13/.14 |
| 15:34.07 | zinx | mjk64: unless there's a problem with exim, it's not going to get pwned ;) |
| 15:34.09 | eps | (yes it is missing in .13 headers too) |
| 15:34.15 | mjk64 | zinx: So I think it's a bit inresponsible to leave ports unnecessarily open to tthe public |
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| 15:34.40 | applejax33 | yea they list but i keep getting 51 not upgraded |
| 15:34.43 | Nrg_ | eps, hmm.. I just reinstalled linux-headers-2.6.14-1-686-smp and dpkg said "/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.14-1/include/asm-i386 does not exist" !! |
| 15:34.47 | mjk64 | zinx: Maybe I'm a little paranoid, but ... I think this policy should be thought over. |
| 15:35.09 | GloX | would it be wise to enable syncookies ? |
| 15:35.19 | Nrg_ | eps, so the whole asm-i386 is missing..err |
| 15:35.29 | eps | yeah just realised that then :P |
| 15:35.47 | eps | asm/ for the 2.6.14-1-686 is gone :P |
| 15:36.09 | Nrg_ | there's only asm-generic |
| 15:36.11 | Nrg_ | wtf |
| 15:36.15 | eps | hahaha |
| 15:36.18 | eps | some one fucked up :P |
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| 15:36.57 | SeicherlB | hi there! I got problems with my woody getting it online via ADSL |
| 15:37.05 | eps | asm is there...but it's not a folder, it is just a blank file |
| 15:37.11 | eps | I have asm-generic |
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| 15:37.38 | SimonRaven | arch/ |
| 15:37.56 | saloxin | GloX: traditional linux wisdom says yes to syncookies. /usr/src/linux/Documentation/networking/ip-sysctl.txt doesn't seem to happy wwith it though.. what kind of ddos was it? |
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| 15:38.21 | zinx | saloxin: "SYN flood" |
| 15:38.31 | GloX | combination of syn flood, and massive regular tcp connections |
| 15:38.40 | saloxin | hehe for syn flood it mith be nice ;-) |
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| 15:39.13 | saloxin | check the doc ^ for details |
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| 15:39.28 | SimonRaven | eps, Nrg_: i don't know what you two are smoking, but asm* is there. probably looking in the wrong place |
| 15:39.37 | GloX | ok |
| 15:39.48 | SimonRaven | ./include/asm-powerpc ./include/asm-i386 .... |
| 15:39.54 | mjk64 | How can I find out where /etc/hosts.deny comes from? "dpkg -S /etc/hosts.deny" says: "dpkg: /etc/hosts.deny not found". And apt-file list libwrap0{,-dev} is also without result. |
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| 15:40.32 | azeem | mjk64: grep through /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.postinst, perhaps |
| 15:40.40 | SeicherlB | I can connect to my ISP via ADSL, but I can't ping anything else, but the ISPs remotehost. Any suggestions?! |
| 15:40.41 | mjk64 | azeem: Thx for the hint, will try that! |
| 15:40.46 | eps | Nrg_ nvidia installer is looking for include/asm/ |
| 15:40.50 | eps | SimonRaven * |
| 15:41.05 | bernouli | i have just installed mailman with apt, but i wonder why is the version still 2.1.5 ? |
| 15:41.10 | SimonRaven | eps: asm/ is a symlink |
| 15:41.21 | azeem | bernouli: if you run stable, it does not get updaed |
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| 15:41.32 | mjk64 | azeem: Hooray, found it! |
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| 15:41.48 | bernouli | azeem, what should i do then? |
| 15:41.50 | SimonRaven | eps: a symlink to the arch's dir, so if it's x86, it's linked to asm-i386 |
| 15:41.59 | azeem | bernouli: what's wrong with 2.1.5? |
| 15:42.09 | bernouli | azeem, it has security issue |
| 15:42.23 | eps | mmm SimonRaven yes it simlinks to asm-i386...which doesn't exist |
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| 15:42.35 | azeem | bernouli: CAN-2005-0202? |
| 15:42.38 | SimonRaven | it does, it's in include/ ... |
| 15:42.43 | hebfftijd | have 1pc like to install a dnsserver suggestion |
| 15:42.43 | bernouli | azeem, yes |
| 15:42.49 | azeem | bernouli: that is fixed, check the changelog |
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| 15:42.53 | azeem | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/m/mailman/mailman_2.1.5-8/changelog |
| 15:43.01 | eps | SimonRaven I have asm and asm-generic |
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| 15:43.08 | eps | zoidberg:/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.14-1-686/include# ls asm* |
| 15:43.08 | eps | asm |
| 15:43.08 | eps | asm-generic: |
| 15:43.37 | Nrg_ | simonraven, I don't have asm-i386 |
| 15:43.39 | SimonRaven | then your source tree is fucked. unpack the tarball again then |
| 15:43.56 | Nrg_ | simonraven, I just removed linux-headers-2.6.14-1 and linux-headers-2.6.14-1-686-smp |
| 15:43.59 | Nrg_ | simonraven, and reinstalled |
| 15:44.04 | Nrg_ | simonraven, still no asm-i386 |
| 15:44.15 | SimonRaven | Nrg_: that's not a source tree, that's just headers |
| 15:44.21 | Nrg_ | simonraven, and dpkg says while installing: "/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.14-1/include/asm-i386 does not exist" |
| 15:44.22 | eps | SimonRaven we are using the debian packages |
| 15:44.30 | eps | not any tars |
| 15:44.40 | eps | and the debian packages should include it |
| 15:44.41 | Nrg_ | yes, debian kernel, debian headers |
| 15:44.44 | bernouli | azeem, is it also fixed in 2.1.5? where can i find the changelog? |
| 15:44.47 | stew | Nrg_: shouldn't that be something like linux-headers-2.6.14-1-686 ? |
| 15:44.55 | azeem | bernouli: I just pasted the link |
| 15:44.56 | SimonRaven | so get the frickin linux-source or whatever it's called package |
| 15:45.03 | nuts | hey, i've just installed debian ppc on my ibook. i've problems getting the sound working properly. all necessary modules are compiled and loaded, but the music coming out of the speakers is really quiet. on alsamixer, master and pcm are on top. any ideas how to solve that problem? |
| 15:45.03 | Nrg_ | stew, yes, I have that installed. |
| 15:45.10 | eps | SimonRaven why? |
| 15:45.11 | azeem | bernouli: please read the securing-debian HOWTO or the security FAQ on how Debian deals with security issues |
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| 15:45.14 | Nrg_ | stew, the package doesn't contain asm-i386 for some unknown reason |
| 15:45.21 | eps | SimonRaven apt-file search linkage.h |
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| 15:45.34 | Jacky^ | hello |
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| 15:45.43 | SimonRaven | yes, you can type that |
| 15:45.45 | Nrg_ | simonraven, asm-i386 comes with 2.6.12-1-686-smp, but NOT with 2.6.14-1-686-smp. that is broken! |
| 15:45.49 | stew | Nrg_: do you have a /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.14-1 directory? or a /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.14-1-686 directory? or both? |
| 15:45.59 | Nrg_ | stew, yes, I have both |
| 15:46.07 | SimonRaven | Nrg_: stop bitching, and start thinking |
| 15:46.10 | stew | Nrg_: i wouldn't expect the latter to have anything arch specific in it |
| 15:46.16 | stew | err former |
| 15:46.19 | jcdubacq | When installing the standard 2.6.14-1-{686,k7} kernel image, one gets: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.14-1/include/asm-i386 does not exist. |
| 15:46.25 | Jacky^ | i've about 100 photo's in a dir maded with a camera, anyone knoe a good app or script to optimize them for the web ? |
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| 15:46.49 | eps | SimonRaven start thinking? you are the only one bitching here |
| 15:46.50 | cahoot | Jacky^: optimize being what? |
| 15:46.57 | jcdubacq | Jacky^, gthumb is fine |
| 15:47.02 | Nrg_ | simonraven, sorry if this sounds like bitching, but I'm quite familiar with kernel sources/headers |
| 15:47.05 | SimonRaven | eps: sure |
| 15:47.08 | Jacky^ | cahoot: optimize for the web upload. abou 300 k |
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| 15:47.13 | Jacky^ | they are 1 mb :/ |
| 15:47.17 | Nrg_ | simonraven, earlier debian kernel packages included asm-i386, like they should |
| 15:47.20 | eps | SimonRaven it is very clear that asm-i386 is missing where it should be there |
| 15:47.30 | Nrg_ | simonraven, 2.6.14-1-* for some unknown reason don't. and they should! |
| 15:47.32 | cahoot | Jacky^: convert/mogrify in imagemagick |
| 15:47.48 | eps | Nrg_ nothing in debian kernel mailing lists that say why it is missing (quick google) |
| 15:47.51 | SimonRaven | Nrg_: np, it's just that people sometimes think we're responsible when we're trying to help... :) |
| 15:47.53 | Jacky^ | cahoot: does exist some script ? |
| 15:47.55 | stew | Nrg_: /msg dpkg bts ; /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 15:48.05 | azeem | lrwxrwxrwx root/root 0 2005-10-28 11:12:42 ./usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.14-1-686-smp/include/asm -> asm-i386 |
| 15:48.24 | Nrg_ | azeem, do you have asm-i386 directory? |
| 15:48.28 | Jacky^ | jcdubacq: ta, im going to try it |
| 15:48.29 | redondos_ | Can you please recommend me LDAP or GroupWare software that stores calendar, tasks, mail & contacts? |
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| 15:48.34 | eps | azeem ls /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.14-1-686-smp/include/asm-i386 |
| 15:48.36 | cahoot | Jacky^: mogrify works in batch by default - will overwrite the origs though |
| 15:48.38 | SimonRaven | my symlink isn't there, but it gets created every time you run make or make-kpkg... |
| 15:48.56 | Jacky^ | cahoot: nice, thanks :) |
| 15:49.20 | Nrg_ | simonraven, symlink won't help, because the files are missing.. there's _no_ asm-i386 directory |
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| 15:49.35 | SimonRaven | i understand that. |
| 15:49.38 | Nrg_ | simonraven, I'm trying to figure out why it's missing.. |
| 15:49.52 | SimonRaven | dpkg -L package |
| 15:49.55 | dpkg | No packages found matching package |
| 15:50.02 | RichiH | heh |
| 15:50.11 | Mage\work | >:O |
| 15:50.20 | SimonRaven | if it isn't there, then file a bug. else, somehow both of you fucked up =) |
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| 15:50.46 | eps | SimonRaven three of us :P |
| 15:50.58 | SimonRaven | hm. sounds like a bug |
| 15:51.15 | eps | agreed, missing a full directory out of several kernel packages :P |
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| 15:51.44 | Nrg_ | simonraven, "dpkg -L linux-headers-2.6.14-1-686-smp|grep asm-i386" returns nothing |
| 15:51.47 | jcdubacq | SimonRaven, I am pretty sure the packages miss some files everywhere |
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| 15:51.59 | SimonRaven | well, if the goal was to trim down the package, and it was arch-specfic, then i would think that that asm/ dir is asm-i386 |
| 15:52.02 | azeem | #336521 |
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| 15:52.10 | azeem | please check the BTS before filing bugs |
| 15:52.12 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 15:52.23 | SimonRaven | !bts 336521 |
| 15:52.23 | Nermal | lo lo... any idea what the hi and si values in top represent ? |
| 15:52.41 | SimonRaven | !dbugs 336521 |
| 15:52.44 | dpkg | #336521:I[linux-headers-2.6.14-1-686-smp] linux-headers-2.6.14-1-686-smp: includes/asm link and asm-i386 directory missing; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 22:03:04 UTC |
| 15:52.57 | michael | how can I tell a Eterm to start at a certain desktop? I use multiple desktops and virtual desktops (Enlightenment). Sending Eterm to desktop 0 is done through "Eterm -D 0" but how can I move it to the virtual desktop nr. 2? |
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| 15:53.01 | hebfftijd | like to run my own nameserver which one is good and easy |
| 15:53.28 | SimonRaven | none of them, unless you RTFM |
| 15:53.29 | eps | Nrg_ looks like we get to wait then :P |
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| 15:54.08 | SimonRaven | !azeem++ |
| 15:54.20 | Nrg_ | eps, yep.. so it seems |
| 15:54.53 | valdyn | hebfftijd: for your own ( small ) lan + the internet? |
| 15:55.30 | morphje | setup: bridge setup with the ifup scripts (like it should) and have bridge_ports set to eth0 and eth1 and stp on. problem: bridge takes mac address from eth1 and causes messages like "received packet with own address" solution: hoping to get it here :) |
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| 15:57.33 | Fox_1_ | dir |
| 15:57.34 | mjk64 | How do I restart the Debian installer after installation? It's mentioned in the Installation Guide, but I cannot find it now :-/ |
| 15:57.35 | Nrg_ | thanks to all for helping with this asm-i386 issue :) |
| 15:57.50 | valdyn | mjk64: you cant do that |
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| 15:57.58 | mjk64 | valdyn: I can't? I can! |
| 15:58.07 | mjk64 | valdyn: I'm sure it's in the Inst. Guide! |
| 15:58.09 | valdyn | mjk64: you can just rerun some applications that get run later during 'install' |
| 15:58.11 | mjk64 | valdyn: Or am I drunk? |
| 15:58.16 | Fox_1_ | which package is mozilla unicode fonts? |
| 15:58.18 | valdyn | mjk64: you're drunk |
| 15:58.19 | mjk64 | valdyn: Hmm ... |
| 15:58.24 | mjk64 | valdyn: damn. :-} |
| 15:58.24 | sparr | is there a debian package for noegnud? |
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| 15:58.26 | thingfish | mjk64: you can run base-config... |
| 15:58.37 | thingfish | that sort of gets you a start-over. |
| 15:58.37 | antgel | mjk64: why do you want to do something silly like that? |
| 15:58.38 | mjk64 | thingfish: base-config! This could be it ... trying ... |
| 15:58.51 | valdyn | mjk64: tasksel, base-config, dpkg-reconfigure <somepackage> might do waht you want |
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| 15:59.11 | mjk64 | thingfish: That's it! |
| 15:59.14 | thingfish | yay |
| 15:59.22 | mjk64 | valdyn, thingfish: Thanks! |
| 15:59.26 | thingfish | Debian's great, isn't it? |
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| 15:59.36 | mjk64 | It is! =) |
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| 15:59.47 | mjk64 | thingfish: Although ... the security policy is a *little* strange! |
| 15:59.59 | mjk64 | !maint tcpd |
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| 16:01.16 | fireba11 | mjk64: what that ? |
| 16:01.18 | azeem | mjk64: apt-cache show tcpd | grep Maint |
| 16:01.20 | dpkg | tcpd: Anthony Towns <ajt@debian.org> |
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| 16:01.36 | Nrg_ | eps, btw I copied asm-i386 directory from vanilla 2.6.14 to /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.14-1-686-smp/include/ and now nvidia module built fine.. let's hope there has been no changes to kernel headers whle build the debian kernel images so vanilla headers work out of the box :) |
| 16:01.41 | mjk64 | azeem: ah yeah, damn, I'm too IRCed. ;-) |
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| 16:01.59 | mjk64 | fireba11: no "ALL: ALL" in default-/etc/hosts.deny, which I find inresponsible. |
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| 16:02.13 | mjk64 | fireba11: irresponsible, rather |
| 16:02.15 | jharrisonwk | comrads! |
| 16:02.17 | eps | Nrg_ can you tar up the dir and dump it some where? |
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| 16:02.29 | BucWheat | what would cause a kernel panic? |
| 16:02.30 | eps | or...mmm where is the vanilla kept |
| 16:02.40 | eps | should do it in the morning, sleep :P |
| 16:02.42 | ke6isf | BucWheat: A lot of things. |
| 16:02.59 | Nrg_ | eps, ftp.<countrycode>.kernel.org/pub/Linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.14.tar.gz |
| 16:03.06 | eps | thanks Nrg_ |
| 16:03.08 | BucWheat | well i've checked ram, cpu, hdd, and motherboard and all are fine and i still get kernel panics i'm running 2.4 kernel |
| 16:03.09 | ke6isf | BucWheat: Rather, a lot of really obscure things that normally don't happen. |
| 16:03.09 | Mage\work | mjk64: less irresponsible than no firewall |
| 16:03.25 | BucWheat | ke6isf other than those what else could cause it? |
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| 16:03.34 | azeem | rather, obscure things happening in kernel-space |
| 16:03.41 | mjk64 | Mage\work: No services => no firewall needed. ;-) |
| 16:03.42 | azeem | BucWheat: faulty drivers |
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| 16:03.54 | fireba11 | mjk64: not really since debian is mainly a server distribution .. you usually have some sercive running |
| 16:03.56 | jharrisonwk | BucWheat: many things? |
| 16:04.02 | Mage\work | then no /etc/hosts.* needed too... |
| 16:04.09 | mjk64 | fireba11: Hm ... now that's a point ... |
| 16:04.25 | jharrisonwk | BucWheat: it would help to know the exact kernel panic error? |
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| 16:04.35 | BucWheat | jharrisonwk how can i troubleshoot the kernel panic if so many things cause it? |
| 16:04.35 | mjk64 | fireba11: But it can't hurt to go the other way round: first block all, then allow only the services you plan to offer. |
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| 16:04.57 | jharrisonwk | BucWheat: usually the kernel tells you why it had a panic |
| 16:04.59 | BucWheat | jharrisonwk yes. let me get it for you please hold |
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| 16:05.16 | thingfish | BucWheat: is it a kernel you made yourself, or is it a stock debian kernel? |
| 16:05.16 | Andy837 | what filename pattern should be over a TEXT document.... |
| 16:05.18 | Andy837 | *. |
| 16:05.32 | fireba11 | mjk64: and since debian netinstall is the most comon way to install it, there are no unneeded services runnign as default .. |
| 16:05.45 | BucWheat | thingfish stock kernel |
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| 16:06.03 | thingfish | BucWheat: have you looked in bts? |
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| 16:06.17 | BucWheat | thingfish what is bts? |
| 16:06.24 | jharrisonwk | BucWheat: what is the error? |
| 16:06.25 | thingfish | debian bug tracking system. |
| 16:06.26 | Andy837 | *.txt (is that the file pattern over a document) |
| 16:06.35 | mjk64 | fireba11: And what with those who install a Desktop system? chriiis did that (a few hours ago) and wondered, why so many ports were open (ssh, identd, rpc.statd, ...) |
| 16:06.50 | mjk64 | fireba11: I know Debian isn't fool-proof, but ... |
| 16:06.57 | jharrisonwk | BucWheat: focus on the error |
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| 16:07.11 | ke6isf | BucWheat: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 16:07.16 | markybob | anyone know where libata is in kernel config? |
| 16:07.19 | CosmoDad | is it possible to build "external" modules (like madwifi) with the kernel-headers only? |
| 16:07.25 | mjk64 | fireba11: ... I think hosts.deny with ALL: ALL is a perfect and reasonable default, whatever system will be set up with Debian. |
| 16:08.02 | mjk64 | fireba11: Okay, maybe the missing ALL: ALL could be seen as a John-Doe-User filter. 8-) |
| 16:08.09 | BucWheat | ke6isf sarge... hld on |
| 16:08.25 | azeem | mjk64: there's some debconf magic for that I think |
| 16:08.33 | BucWheat | ke6isf whoops wrong box hehe the box that is borked is centOS a red hat enterprise linux derivative hehe sorry |
| 16:08.33 | Andy837 | i am after making VNC run automatically, been told to create this file.... /etc/init.d/rc.vnc (how can i do it) |
| 16:08.38 | mjk64 | fireba11: As automatic detection for apirants for a Net Darwin Award. =) |
| 16:08.39 | jharrisonwk | BucWheat: what kind of system are you running sarge on? |
| 16:08.41 | BucWheat | i'm joining centos now |
| 16:08.53 | mjk64 | azeem: There is? Err ... well, it doesn't work then ... |
| 16:08.55 | jharrisonwk | centos? |
| 16:08.55 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:08.55 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:08.55 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:08.55 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:09.02 | jcdubacq | CosmoDad, Usually, yes. However 2.6.14 kernel headers from deb packages are borked |
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| 16:09.05 | BucWheat | jharrisonwk my sarge box is working fine. its my centos box as stated above sorry :( |
| 16:09.15 | jharrisonwk | BucWheat: oh |
| 16:09.15 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 16:09.29 | thingfish | otay, BucWheat, carry on. |
| 16:09.32 | CosmoDad | jcdubacq: thanks, I'm using 2.6.8, so no problem with that |
| 16:09.34 | ke6isf | !centos |
| 16:09.34 | dpkg | hmm... centos is a rebuild of the Red Hat Enterprise Linux RPMs by the community. Check it out at http://www.centos.org/projects/centos |
| 16:09.43 | jharrisonwk | BucWheat: well centos is lame |
| 16:09.54 | jcdubacq | CosmoDad, the answer is "theoretically, yes" then |
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| 16:10.06 | possie | hi |
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| 16:10.11 | darsie | hi! I made a CPU temperature monitor daemon starting very early during boot. It's pidfile /var/run/tempmon.pid gets deleted by /etc/init.d/bootclean.sh. Would you suggest to add tempmon.pid to the exclusion list in bootclean.sh? Or place it somewhere else? Or regenerate it? Or forget about it? |
| 16:10.14 | jharrisonwk | !centos |
| 16:10.14 | dpkg | somebody said centos was a rebuild of the Red Hat Enterprise Linux RPMs by the community. Check it out at http://www.centos.org/projects/centos, or lame |
| 16:10.18 | jharrisonwk | there thats better |
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| 16:10.37 | jharrisonwk | good how we got that cleared up |
| 16:10.40 | thingfish | hehe |
| 16:10.45 | CosmoDad | jcdubacq: ok :) |
| 16:10.46 | possie | i have the problem that my system clock get's out of sync really quickly, i run ntpdate every night, but still in the middle of the day, my clock is like 30min. infront of the current time, anyone might have a clue what could be wrong? |
| 16:10.47 | azeem | jharrisonwk: is it lame because it redistributed RHEL, or because the latter is lame? |
| 16:11.00 | jharrisonwk | azeem: because redhat is lame |
| 16:11.10 | azeem | u-huh |
| 16:11.19 | jharrisonwk | !redhat |
| 16:11.19 | dpkg | Red Hat used to be a Free Linux distribution, but their latest incarnation (Red Hat Enterprise) is commercial. Their Free development branch (Fedora) takes the place of what most people used to use Red Hat for. |
| 16:11.22 | halibut | how do I find the clock speed of my processor in debian? |
| 16:11.26 | ke6isf | possie: Just run ntpd. |
| 16:11.26 | cahoot | possie: apic enabled and a flaky bios? |
| 16:11.29 | jharrisonwk | hhmmm |
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| 16:11.39 | darsie | halibut: /proc/CPU or so |
| 16:11.43 | jharrisonwk | dpkg: redhat is also lame |
| 16:11.43 | dpkg | jharrisonwk: okay |
| 16:11.47 | jharrisonwk | !redhat |
| 16:11.47 | dpkg | Red Hat used to be a Free Linux distribution, but their latest incarnation (Red Hat Enterprise) is commercial. Their Free development branch (Fedora) takes the place of what most people used to use Red Hat for. lame |
| 16:11.52 | mjk64 | azeem: Where did you get that text? It's not in debconf(1) ... |
| 16:11.52 | jharrisonwk | there we go |
| 16:12.02 | azeem | mjk64: /var/lib/dpkg/info/tcpd.postinst |
| 16:12.02 | BucWheat | jharrisonwk i know. which is why i'm working on migrating that box to debian :) |
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| 16:12.16 | azeem | jharrisonwk: could you refrain from projecting your personal opinions on factoids? |
| 16:12.31 | jharrisonwk | sure |
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| 16:12.34 | azeem | thanks |
| 16:12.44 | mjk64 | azeem: Found it in postinst |
| 16:12.54 | mjk64 | azeem: thx |
| 16:13.29 | antgel | the other day, i was wondering why anybody would use fedora. couldn't think of a reason. every other distro has a reason to use |
| 16:13.32 | dippo | I am trying to use module-assistant to compile the zaptel modules but I want it to compile zdummy (which is disabled by default in the Makefile) |
| 16:13.43 | dippo | however m-a blows away and re-unpacks the tarball no matter what, blowing away my changes to Makefile |
| 16:13.46 | dippo | any way to get around that? |
| 16:13.52 | Fox_1_ | exit |
| 16:14.01 | thingfish | people use fedora because they want cutting edge, and like to chase down bugs. |
| 16:14.07 | SeicherlB | I got problems with my adsl-connection under woddy... can anybody help me, plz?! |
| 16:14.12 | thingfish | I did for a long while, it got old. |
| 16:14.24 | thingfish | now all I want is a system that works. |
| 16:14.24 | antgel | thingfish: is it more cutting edge than gentoo or ubuntu? |
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| 16:14.47 | azeem | antgel: their releases are less polished than Ubuntu |
| 16:14.48 | ke6isf | antgel: Hard to beat the bleeding edge that is Gentoo. |
| 16:14.54 | thingfish | antgel: probably not, or if there is a difference, it's negligible. |
| 16:15.05 | azeem | so it's probably as cutting edge as Ubuntu, but only on average |
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| 16:15.42 | lepton | is there a way (short of downloading the src package) find out what .config was used to build kernel-image-2.6-k7? |
| 16:15.54 | zinx | yes |
| 16:15.57 | antgel | so i repeat to you, what's the point? best i could think of was somebody knows nothing about distros. has heard of red hat from the "old days" and finds out that fed is the successor. |
| 16:16.05 | lepton | and that would be? |
| 16:16.10 | zinx | debian kernel packages have a /boot/config-* file |
| 16:16.13 | SimonRaven | bleeding edge of gentoo: if you don't stop that major haemrhorraging, you'll bleed to death |
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| 16:16.30 | lepton | zinx: so how do I view that without grabbing the whole src package? |
| 16:16.36 | azeem | antgel: also note that many excellent engineers work for RedHat (though one would assume the releases to be more polished, then) |
| 16:16.40 | zinx | note that using that config without using the debian src will not produce the same kernel, since debian applies patches too |
| 16:16.56 | zinx | lepton: well considering it's included in the kernel-image-* package that you already have, yes. |
| 16:17.11 | ke6isf | !SimonRaven++ |
| 16:17.12 | antgel | lepton: pager |
| 16:17.21 | thingfish | well yes, but see also fedora people firmly believe that the red hat way of doing things is the way that's going to prevail. they see it as familiarizing themselves with something they may have to use in the enterprise at some point. |
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| 16:17.47 | antgel | thingfish: jesus. anything with the word enterprise in makes me go to zzzzzzzzz |
| 16:17.52 | zinx | lepton: oh, i thought you were asking something else, sorry |
| 16:17.52 | lepton | zinx: I don't have the kernel-image-2.6-k7 package. I would like to see what .config was used to build it |
| 16:17.54 | thingfish | oh I know |
| 16:18.01 | zinx | lepton: well |
| 16:18.03 | SimonRaven | just because you're commercial doesn't mean you'll be on top ;) |
| 16:18.03 | antgel | thingfish: sounds like microsoft morons |
| 16:18.07 | victim | is there a config file for gnu-pop3d , if so where? |
| 16:18.11 | zinx | lepton: you either need the kernel-image deb or the source package |
| 16:18.21 | thingfish | oh I agree totally |
| 16:18.26 | zinx | lepton: you can download the kernel-image deb and extract the /boot/config-* file from it |
| 16:18.46 | lepton | zinx: it would be a useful link on the package info page on packages.debian.org ... |
| 16:18.48 | zinx | or you can install the .deb and then it'll be in /boot/ |
| 16:19.08 | antgel | thingfish: enterprise is one of my most hated words. either something works, or it doesn't. :) |
| 16:19.08 | lepton | I'll just grab the .deb |
| 16:19.09 | stew | !config-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 16:19.09 | dpkg | well, config-2.6.8-2-386 is http://vireo.org/~stew/config-2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 16:19.25 | stew | lepton: ^^^^ thats what you are looking for except that its 386 instead of k7 |
| 16:19.38 | zinx | lepton: packages.debian.org, and most other places, do not keep *extracted* versions of .debs |
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| 16:19.38 | stew | lepton: (which just means the one config option is different) |
| 16:19.42 | thingfish | antgel: perhaps I should have used a phrase like "they think they might end up using it at work". |
| 16:19.53 | cahoot | antgel: don't you find it rather pointless debating the fallacies of other distros in #debian? |
| 16:19.56 | antgel | thingfish: not if they work here |
| 16:19.59 | zinx | stew: i hope that's not what it means |
| 16:20.06 | antgel | cahoot: yeah. nicely numbing |
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| 16:20.12 | stew | zinx: huh? |
| 16:20.17 | lepton | stew: "just" one config option wrong, and my system doesn't boot |
| 16:20.19 | zinx | stew: switching arches gives you extra options that need enabled too |
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| 16:20.42 | stew | lepton: what do you mean your system won't boot? |
| 16:20.49 | thingfish | antgel: well see that's one of their misconceptions, that RHEL is the only "serious" gnu/linux being used in production environments. |
| 16:21.08 | lepton | stew: it was a hypothetical, dude |
| 16:21.12 | davi_ | [DHCP] How to tell to the dhcp client to ask for a specific IP to be granted ? |
| 16:21.42 | thingfish | they don't realize, or prefer to ignore, that debian is well represented "out there". |
| 16:21.44 | victim | !config gnu-pop3d |
| 16:21.55 | zinx | lepton: hell i've gotten multiple lines of code wrong in modules and still had my system boot and keep running once it the module was loaded (and OOPSed the kernel, even!) |
| 16:21.55 | stew | lepton: your machine would boot with a 386 kernel |
| 16:22.03 | SimonRaven | a misconception that should be cleared up. to me it sounds like rh is behaving more like m$, or that they carry that attitude over from winblows; and possibly rh exploits that common misconception for their own ends |
| 16:22.19 | zinx | s/it the/the/ |
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| 16:22.42 | SimonRaven | victim: how about you read the package docs |
| 16:22.55 | thingfish | SimonRaven: they are arrogant and yes, share a lot in common with MS, imo. |
| 16:23.11 | ke6isf | !rtfm |
| 16:23.12 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
| 16:23.18 | bucky | davi, uncomment the alias stanza with fixed-address 192.5.5.213; in /etc/dhclient.conf and replace that address with the one you want.. hopefully one reserved to be assigned by your dhcp server |
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| 16:23.40 | lepton | stew: yes it would, if it supports an xfs root partition |
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| 16:23.51 | victim | SimonRaven: read them, I understand how to start with command line, just wondering if there is a default config file some where |
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| 16:24.11 | telenieko | Hi ppl. Anyone has got issues with Dovecot ?Specifically I'm getting "error:XXXXXX cannont load..... from OpenSSL" |
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| 16:24.20 | victim | if you don't know, just say so ;) |
| 16:24.23 | SimonRaven | the docs would say, or should say. if they don't then they should be shot on sight |
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| 16:24.45 | victim | SimonRaven: then the maintainer should be shot on sight |
| 16:25.09 | victim | the man page says nothing, just info about command line usage.... |
| 16:25.12 | sencompas | how do I pipe a cammand to a string? grep error rsync.log >> $errorline |
| 16:25.20 | bucky | davi, make that the lease stanza and fixed-address 192.33.137.200; |
| 16:25.26 | sencompas | hi SimonRaven |
| 16:25.28 | victim | ok, I didn't think, I'll read the init.d to see if that clues me in |
| 16:25.36 | davi_ | thanks bucky |
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| 16:25.54 | mula` | hello |
| 16:25.56 | SimonRaven | victim: good start |
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| 16:26.01 | SimonRaven | hi |
| 16:26.06 | sencompas | SimonRaven any ideas? on that cammand? |
| 16:26.21 | stew | lepton: it does |
| 16:26.28 | sencompas | hi stew |
| 16:26.43 | SimonRaven | sencompas: lacking a bit of context here |
| 16:26.45 | Alver | bob2: I think I have tracked a part (if not all) of my X problem... xrestop shows two items constantly growing: uim and an anon value that constantly grows together with it, which I assume to be related |
| 16:26.50 | mula` | i have a software raid-1 and use grub as bootloader. is there a way to install grub in the mbr of the second hdd, in case the boot disk fails? |
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| 16:27.13 | SimonRaven | 'command' |
| 16:27.22 | encompass | install grub to that drive |
| 16:27.34 | encompass | SimonRaven did you see it above? |
| 16:27.36 | stew | encompass: errorLine=$(grep error rsync.log) |
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| 16:27.42 | encompass | how do I pipe a cammand to a string? grep error rsync.log >> $errorline |
| 16:27.47 | mula` | how do you do that ? |
| 16:27.49 | encompass | ok cool |
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| 16:28.03 | encompass | man grub man... best way to learn it sorry |
| 16:28.05 | antgel | mula`: have you read the grub documentation? |
| 16:28.11 | mula` | i tried the grub shell |
| 16:28.16 | mula` | with setup on hd(1,1) |
| 16:28.22 | mula` | but it said no no |
| 16:28.23 | mula` | :P |
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| 16:28.29 | encompass | that and I really don't know except in theory |
| 16:28.32 | antgel | mula`: that's not a grub error |
| 16:28.45 | SimonRaven | i doubt it said 'no no' |
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| 16:28.48 | encompass | hahah |
| 16:28.57 | encompass | thanks SimonRaven I will try that |
| 16:29.12 | SimonRaven | er, stew, not me |
| 16:29.12 | mula` | one moment pls |
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| 16:29.30 | mula` | so.. |
| 16:29.50 | mula` | grub> find /boot/grub/stage1 |
| 16:29.50 | mula` | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:29.50 | mula` | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:29.55 | Alver | Does anyone in here use UIM for input and notices a huge memleak? |
| 16:29.56 | luci0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:29.59 | mula` | so i have to use hd1,1 |
| 16:30.01 | encompass | !give GOD OF BASH AWARD to SimonRaven |
| 16:30.02 | dpkg | give GOD OF BASH AWARD to SimonRaven |
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| 16:30.18 | SimonRaven | s/SimonRaven/stew/ |
| 16:30.22 | stew | heh |
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| 16:31.07 | encompass | yawn |
| 16:31.22 | SimonRaven | luci0: #php |
| 16:31.30 | Alver | hmmm |
| 16:31.35 | Alver | I'd better mail the list for this... |
| 16:31.43 | Alver | can anyone tell me the main users mailinglist for debian? |
| 16:31.50 | azeem | Alver: debian-user |
| 16:32.01 | SimonRaven | debian-user you mean? |
| 16:32.05 | Alver | azeem: debian-user@lists.debian.org? |
| 16:32.11 | azeem | Alver: yes |
| 16:32.25 | stew | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user |
| 16:32.44 | Alver | azeem: thanks. |
| 16:32.45 | mula` | what does this mean? |
| 16:32.45 | mula` | mail:~ # grub-install /dev/sdb |
| 16:32.45 | mula` | /dev/md0 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. |
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| 16:33.27 | MASoft | how can I migrate from ESD to Jack in Debian Sarge ? |
| 16:33.39 | bibe | hi all. Is there any way to make sed apply one substitution only to a file? I'd like to add a line to the beginning of a thousand html files, can I do that with sed? |
| 16:34.35 | azeem | MASoft: are you sure ESD and Jack are functionally equivalent? |
| 16:34.41 | azeem | I thought they did different stuff |
| 16:34.56 | MASoft | azeem, I think so ! |
| 16:35.22 | MASoft | azeem, both are a Sound Daemon |
| 16:36.07 | bibe | I did it with 'echo first_line_text > firstline; for i in *.html; do cat firstline $i > tempfile; mv tempfile $i; done', but the most obvious way I can think of is using sed |
| 16:36.49 | stew | bibe: find -patterntofindfiles -print0 | xargs -0 sed -i '1ithelinetoinsert' |
| 16:36.52 | MASoft | azeem, My problem with ESD is the Delay of it ! it has about 0.5 sec delay for playing. |
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| 16:37.53 | bibe | stew : great, thank you very much! |
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| 16:39.21 | FromTO | does anyone know how to join video clips together into a long one |
| 16:39.40 | marculix | cat clip1 >> clip2 |
| 16:39.46 | nkuttler | FromTO: mencoder can do that |
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| 16:40.24 | FromTO | nkuttler: thank you will look into that |
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| 16:40.49 | cahoot | MASoft: my impression is you need a low-latency kernel to use jackd |
| 16:40.54 | CoffeeBreaks | am trying to build nvidia-kernel-source on my freshly installed 2.6.14-1-686 kernel |
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| 16:41.16 | thingfish | and let's guess - you're missing asm something. |
| 16:41.24 | CoffeeBreaks | yep :) |
| 16:41.42 | thingfish | it's evidently a bug. |
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| 16:42.07 | cahoot | MASoft: disturbing xruns with a standard kernel last time I tested |
| 16:42.20 | darknuala | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:42.34 | CoffeeBreaks | thingfish: That's what I thought. Strange that it wasn't yet reported. Any work-around? apart from getting the sources myself :) |
| 16:42.34 | nkuttler | darknuala: #ubuntu |
| 16:42.43 | ke6isf | darknuala: Not in here. |
| 16:42.44 | bassMonkey | I have a directory containing a huge amount of files in several directories, I need to count them. How can I do this in the console? |
| 16:42.51 | thingfish | CoffeeBreaks: it's reported...hang on... |
| 16:42.56 | MASoft | cahoot, what's your mean from Low-latency Kernel ? |
| 16:42.59 | stew | bibe: find -type f | wc -l |
| 16:43.03 | stew | no |
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| 16:43.06 | stew | bassMonkey: ^^ |
| 16:43.20 | jcdubacq | where did my / go ? |
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| 16:44.09 | thingfish | CoffeeBreaks: it's bug 336521 |
| 16:44.23 | bassMonkey | stew: cool =) |
| 16:44.40 | thingfish | CoffeeBreaks: Nrg_ wrote: "copied asm-i386 directory from vanilla 2.6.14 to /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.14-1-686-smp/include/ and now nvidia module built fine" |
| 16:44.43 | cahoot | MASoft: best info is on jack's docs/page - http://www.djcj.org/LAU/jack/ |
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| 16:45.32 | CoffeeBreaks | thingfish: of course... I had searched in wrong package... Thanks |
| 16:45.39 | thingfish | no problem |
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| 16:46.00 | MASoft | cahoot, cool, I start reading ;) |
| 16:46.30 | CoffeeBreaks | thingfish: any idea how to get the asm-386 dir. without downloading the whole kernel release? maybe with git ? |
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| 16:46.55 | thingfish | CoffeeBreaks: no, no idea, really. |
| 16:47.07 | darknuala | nobody there will even help me |
| 16:47.45 | thingfish | darknuala: well sorry, bud, but no one in #debian is likely to help you install ubuntu. |
| 16:47.54 | RichiH | indeed |
| 16:48.38 | ke6isf | darknuala: Why not just install Debian instead? |
| 16:48.45 | bassMonkey | stew: thanks, 44239 files, would've taken a good while to count =) |
| 16:48.55 | mula` | darknuala: why don't you take a look at #ubuntu |
| 16:49.37 | streuner | !they don't know |
| 16:49.37 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 16:49.41 | mula` | so the only thing i can do is boot from a live cd, chroot and do a grub-install. how boring |
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| 16:50.50 | darknuala | i see why i don't use debian. you guys are a bunch of fuckin pricks. Just because I use something other than what you guys think is the best doesn't give you the right to treat people like shit. |
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| 16:51.09 | Ronin | ahh i was wondering if theyd cry like that |
| 16:51.09 | jdrozd | How do I change a user from being auto-logged in in console mode |
| 16:51.09 | ke6isf | darknuala: Well, Ubuntu isn't Debian. |
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| 16:51.24 | ke6isf | doh! |
| 16:51.24 | Ronin | and i didnt see anyone shitting on them, oh well |
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| 16:51.46 | ke6isf | Ronin: Of course not. We gave pragmatic solutions, and he shits on us. Stupid Ubuntu people. |
| 16:52.19 | thingfish | oh good, he left. poor baby. |
| 16:52.40 | streuner | no worries, some people don't unterstand that debian-based isn't debian |
| 16:52.53 | ke6isf | thingfish: I think he was just some troll. Had his last word, jumped out. Meh. |
| 16:52.59 | thingfish | I guess so. |
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| 16:54.10 | sha1sum | hey guys... how do I remove an application from dpkg's list to install because of broken packages? |
| 16:54.24 | streuner | sha1sum: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
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| 16:55.41 | sha1sum | streuner: Shared libraries and timezone data |
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| 16:56.11 | streuner | sha1sum: yes, that's the beginning of the message... |
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| 16:56.56 | ke6isf | sha1sum: There's more. |
| 16:57.11 | sha1sum | 500 http://ftp.debian.org etch/main Packages |
| 16:57.19 | ke6isf | Etch. |
| 16:57.24 | sha1sum | yes |
| 16:57.29 | sha1sum | you could have asked :) |
| 16:57.30 | streuner | sha1sum: ok, what version of libc6? |
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| 16:57.43 | sha1sum | 2.3.5-6 |
| 16:57.49 | ke6isf | "Hold" would be inadviseable it sounds like. |
| 16:57.52 | streuner | !info libc6 etch |
| 16:57.57 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.5-6 (etch), Packaged size: 4815 kB, Installed size: 16356 kB |
| 16:58.38 | streuner | sha1sum: ok, go to the folder of /var/lib/dpkg/info and find scripts of the app. itself |
| 16:58.45 | streuner | move them to /tmp |
| 16:58.52 | streuner | and run 'apt-get -f install' |
| 16:59.41 | streuner | sha1sum: but first, show us the whole error-message about 'broken' stuff in #flood or just /msg dpkg paster |
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| 16:59.48 | sha1sum | the two packages are sendmail and bootsplash... so do I move sendmail* and bootsplash* ? |
| 17:00.01 | streuner | bootsplash is in debian? |
| 17:00.23 | sha1sum | different source... the official bootsplash one from bootsplash.de -- but it doesn't work right... lemme pastebin |
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| 17:01.29 | sha1sum | by the time that I found out that splashy was better, I had already bastardized apt with the bootsplash repo |
| 17:01.56 | sha1sum | and I don't even want sendmail |
| 17:02.18 | streuner | "bastardized apt" ? |
| 17:02.47 | azeem | tainted it |
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| 17:02.54 | azeem | sha1sum: so why did you install it? |
| 17:02.56 | sha1sum | http://pastebin.com/412326 |
| 17:03.12 | sha1sum | azeem: a long time ago, when I thought I wanted it, but was too ignorant to know better |
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| 17:04.27 | mcoronad | a |
| 17:04.28 | gahan | hm |
| 17:04.33 | mcoronad | olaaaaaaaaaaa |
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| 17:04.44 | streuner | sha1sum: ok, there should be a file like bootsplash.postinst in /var/lib/dpkg/info ..., fix it |
| 17:04.50 | gahan | !pdns |
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| 17:05.19 | Geekbr | ae |
| 17:05.19 | streuner | sha1sum: or just move the scripts from 'bootsplash' to /tmp and run 'apt-get -f install' |
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| 17:05.31 | streuner | in order to get a working dpkg system |
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| 17:05.59 | sha1sum | hmmm... k lemme try |
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| 17:06.43 | hacabrera071 | Hi guys... How are you all doing? |
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| 17:07.06 | hacabrera071 | Can you give me a hand troubleshooting my Audio Card? |
| 17:07.35 | streuner | hacabrera071: what does 'lspci -v | grep -i audio' say? |
| 17:07.35 | nkuttler | hacabrera071: did you read the audio section of the faq? |
| 17:07.44 | dos000 | is there a way i can set the partition table from the cmd line in an automated fashion ? i already know my partition sizes i dont need to do it interactively |
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| 17:08.23 | sha1sum | okay I believe bootsplash is all fixed... do the same for sendmail? |
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| 17:08.35 | streuner | sha1sum: nah |
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| 17:08.50 | baguep | hello |
| 17:08.53 | streuner | sha1sum: bootsplash isn't fixed, you have just a working dpkg system |
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| 17:09.01 | hacabrera071 | streuner: it says: Multimedia audio controller: ESS Technology ES1983S Maestro-3i PCI Audio Acceletatior (rev 10) |
| 17:09.16 | sha1sum | streuner: sweet... that's what I wanted... thanks alot ;) |
| 17:09.17 | streuner | sha1sum: you need in any case a MTA installed... |
| 17:09.22 | MASoft | Is there any command to clear the Caches and free the Swap ? |
| 17:09.26 | Andy837 | what scripts are run at boot of debian? |
| 17:09.36 | RichiH | what is the name of that microsoft helpdesk database again? |
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| 17:09.38 | streuner | sha1sum: ok, in order to remove bootsplash just move them back |
| 17:09.38 | ke6isf | Andy837: Look at /etc/init.d |
| 17:09.53 | thingfish | technet? |
| 17:09.57 | RichiH | someone from the chair needs the link and i can't remember it |
| 17:09.58 | MASoft | Andy837, /etc/init.d (all the executed files) |
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| 17:10.09 | hytt | Andy837> /etc/rcS.d/ |
| 17:10.12 | sha1sum | streuner: actually I use thunderbird and an off-site smtp/imap server, but can you recommend a good mail retrieval daemon less complicated than fetchmail that will get mail from an offsite pop or imap server? |
| 17:10.13 | hacabrera071 | streuner: I hear a lot of noise every time I play an MP3, instead of MP3s I'm getting noise.. :S |
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| 17:10.38 | cahoot | hacabrera071: lay off the rap |
| 17:10.44 | streuner | hacabrera071: what kernel are you running? cat /proc/version |
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| 17:10.50 | Andy837 | so is it /etc/init.d/ or /etc/rcS.d/ |
| 17:10.57 | Daffy-PKF | lo |
| 17:11.12 | Daffy-PKF | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.12 | RichiH | thingfish: ta |
| 17:11.14 | azeem | Andy837: in the one are symlinks to the other |
| 17:11.16 | hacabrera071 | streuner: Linux version 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 17:11.18 | azeem | Andy837: just look yourself |
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| 17:11.23 | thingfish | RichiH: np |
| 17:11.31 | Andy837 | ah ok |
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| 17:11.45 | streuner | hacabrera071: ok, apt-get install alsa-utils |
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| 17:11.57 | streuner | hacabrera071: and run 'alsaconf' |
| 17:12.04 | DwyaneWade | if some mean guy messes my boot record is there anyway to access my linux partition again? |
| 17:12.05 | TriKster-Abacus | cool |
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| 17:12.10 | TriKster-Abacus | ya, I had to put that /msg nickserv in there, cuz on quakenet it doesnt auth with nickserv |
| 17:12.19 | TriKster-Abacus | wrong channel |
| 17:12.21 | streuner | hacabrera071: make sure that NO OSS modules are installed then |
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| 17:12.39 | fbi | !tell DwyaneWade about fixmbr |
| 17:12.51 | streuner | sha1sum: sendmail is a MTA |
| 17:12.54 | streuner | !MTA |
| 17:12.55 | dpkg | it has been said that mta is a mail transfer agent, in other words sendmail or any of its replacements (such as exim-tls, postfix-tls, qmail, ssmtp, zmail, etc).. |
| 17:13.14 | streuner | sha1sum: debian 'expects' a MTA in any case... |
| 17:13.18 | cahoot | hacabrera071: you don't use aplay for the mp3? |
| 17:13.21 | grendal_prime | hey i got a friend...were looking to install a network install.. |
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| 17:13.35 | zvn | is there a tool that displays CD/DVD media information (exact capacity among other things) |
| 17:13.43 | streuner | sha1sum: to get rid of sendmail just use postfix or exim |
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| 17:13.50 | hacabrera071 | streuner: DAMN!!! It worked brother... Thank you very much... |
| 17:14.02 | saloxin | zvn: cdinfo - from cdtools? |
| 17:14.02 | grendal_prime | he has no burner..and is putting thiso n a windows machine...he has a second partition set up and whatnot...we were going to put the netinstall on a pen drive and go from there.. |
| 17:14.06 | streuner | grendal_prime: say to your friend he should visit us |
| 17:14.06 | saloxin | cdtool |
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| 17:14.10 | sha1sum | streuner: yes, I am aware of that... I don't need an MTA, what I do, however, need, is a mail retrieval prog like fetchmail that will fetch my email from remote pop/imap server and place them in my mailbox on my machine |
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| 17:14.13 | hacabrera071 | cahoot: I'm using Totem |
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| 17:14.21 | sha1sum | =] |
| 17:14.22 | IO80 | hi all! |
| 17:14.35 | nkuttler | sha1sum: no, you need an mta |
| 17:14.37 | sha1sum | streuner: fetchmail seems a little too complicated for what I need, however |
| 17:14.40 | hacabrera071 | cahoot: streuner already helped me to fix the problem... Thank you very much anyways... :) |
| 17:14.46 | sha1sum | nkuttler: just to retrieve? |
| 17:14.47 | zvn | saloxin, apt-cache search cdtools -> nil |
| 17:14.48 | sha1sum | hmmmm |
| 17:14.54 | grendal_prime | i will...thing is..does the minimal netinstall work in the same way as the cd install when it comes to formatting |
| 17:14.55 | zvn | saloxin, I'm on sarge |
| 17:15.02 | saloxin | zvn: remove the last s |
| 17:15.02 | nkuttler | sha1sum: system messages |
| 17:15.12 | streuner | sha1sum: just use sylpheed |
| 17:15.19 | zvn | saloxin, ok, thanks |
| 17:15.22 | grendal_prime | we dont want to bomb his windows installation |
| 17:15.27 | grendal_prime | its going to be a dual boot |
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| 17:15.46 | saloxin | zvn: at closer look might not be what you want though, it does cddb lookups etc :-( |
| 17:16.02 | thingfish | grendal_prime: I've done both netinstall and cd/dvd install, and he'll be fine. |
| 17:16.14 | grendal_prime | thanks thingfish |
| 17:16.17 | thingfish | sure |
| 17:16.23 | zvn | saloxin, heh, indeed |
| 17:16.27 | streuner | sha1sum: if you wanna use fetchmail you should look at the docs for procmail as well |
| 17:16.37 | sha1sum | streuner: k :) |
| 17:16.43 | streuner | !procmail |
| 17:16.44 | dpkg | methinks procmail is the ultimate way to process your incoming mail into folders, feed it to external programs, and so on. http://www.procmail.org/, or ask me about procmail tutorial |
| 17:16.51 | zvn | is there a tool that displays the capacity of a blank CD/DVD media |
| 17:16.57 | sha1sum | nkuttler: so what you're saying, is if I want to have my offsite messages put in my local mailbox, I will need an MTA like sendmail? |
| 17:17.14 | IO80 | i have a doubt about File system and partitioning program of debian... why can I choose, during the installation,to install reiserfs with option read-only?!? is it a bug of the installer or not? can I mount reiserfs read-only?! |
| 17:17.34 | DwyaneWade | fbi, it was more a matter of precaution. i didn't install windows over debian .. yet |
| 17:18.13 | nkuttler | sha1sum: i read "i don't need an mta", that is not correct. maybe you don't use it, but debian wants one. |
| 17:18.22 | IO80 | can someone hel me? |
| 17:18.25 | IO80 | *help |
| 17:18.55 | sha1sum | nkuttler: oh, okay... do you know why I should have one if I'm not going to use it? (in otherwords, why do you say debian wants one?) |
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| 17:19.47 | nutnut | Simple enough question :o - what language is the standard shell script written in... *shell*? |
| 17:19.49 | thingfish | IO80: state your problem, in as much detail as possible, including what error messages you're getting and what you've done to try to fix whatever it is. |
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| 17:20.17 | Puiu | I want additional xscreensaver screensavers....I downloaded xscreensaver-gl with apt and I got those....but are there packs of screensavers I can download for xscreensaver elsewhere...so I have more? |
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| 17:22.04 | IO80 | thingfish, in my opinion file system journaling can't be mounted read-only because it must write the journal... |
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| 17:22.16 | nkuttler | nutnut: bash, zsh, csh, etc... bash is default on debian |
| 17:22.26 | kikov | is there a way to list with dpkg or apt-cache the instlled packages from a specific branch of debian ( like sarge or so ) |
| 17:22.27 | luci0 | how i make for preserving programs in memory |
| 17:22.31 | Puiu | " Attention Windows users: There is no Windows version of xscreensaver, and there never will be. Please stop asking. That goes double for the ``xmatrix'' mode. No. The answer is no. I don't use any Microsoft products and neither should you." |
| 17:22.35 | luci0 | a pre--loading |
| 17:22.37 | IO80 | i'm wrong? |
| 17:22.37 | Puiu | lol....that's f rom the author |
| 17:22.39 | luci0 | how i make for preserving programs in memory |
| 17:22.40 | luci0 | a pre--loading |
| 17:22.42 | resiak | IO80: Of course you can. The journal only needs to be modified when you write. |
| 17:22.52 | resiak | !tell luci0 -about repeat |
| 17:22.59 | resiak | luci0: What are you actually trying to do? |
| 17:23.17 | nutnut | nkuttler: Ah - thanks :)! Anyone recommend a nice shell scripting tutorial? I've Googled but I end up with some scatty document which doesn't get more advanced than echo $PATH; :<! |
| 17:23.33 | nkuttler | nutnut: google bash scripting howto |
| 17:23.39 | nkuttler | nutnut: or ask in #bash |
| 17:23.50 | nutnut | Thanks again :] |
| 17:23.54 | luci0 | i am trying make pre-loading of programs |
| 17:23.56 | IO80 | resiak, so if i don't write it can be mounted read-only... but if I need to write? |
| 17:24.03 | luci0 | i want make this |
| 17:24.16 | resiak | IO80: Then, erm, it needs to be mounted read-write |
| 17:24.18 | kikov | luci0: easy... exec program ; kill $! |
| 17:24.31 | IO80 | ok! |
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| 17:24.40 | IO80 | thank u :) |
| 17:24.53 | IO80 | sorry for my english... :D |
| 17:24.54 | resiak | luci0: Why? |
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| 17:25.51 | luci0 | resiak i want program what make pre-loading of libs |
| 17:25.55 | luci0 | is programs |
| 17:25.56 | resiak | luci0: WHY? |
| 17:27.12 | luci0 | resiak much quick programs for exec |
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| 17:33.58 | silverbb | I want to run something as a user at system startup without needing to login as that user. Where would I look to do that? |
| 17:34.23 | resiak | silverbb: man 5 crontab |
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| 17:34.51 | sparr | I have /usr/include/GL/gl.h provided, I think, by xlibmesa-gl-dev. It has garbage at the top, and appears to be missing a lot of data. Can anyone else verify this? |
| 17:35.00 | Fox_1_ | how can i see paket size in tcpdump??? |
| 17:35.05 | elirips | hello people. is there a way to do "manual" double-side-printing in cups/kde? like tell the printer "print page 1,3,5,etc.", then let me remove the sheets and put them in again, and then tell him to print pages "2,4,6,etc."? |
| 17:35.07 | azeem | sparr: check the md5sum |
| 17:35.13 | sparr | azeem: against what? |
| 17:35.41 | encompass | isn't whilst a fun word! |
| 17:35.44 | azeem | sparr: /var/lib/dpkg/info/xlibmesa-gl-dev.md5sums |
| 17:35.50 | sparr | azeem: thanks |
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| 17:37.24 | silverbb | resiak, that helped. thx |
| 17:37.24 | elirips | or is there a tool that let's me put 4 pdf-files on one page? |
| 17:37.31 | resiak | silverbb: No problem. |
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| 17:37.37 | Fox_1_ | ? |
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| 17:38.09 | wDaXS | Is it possibel to login to a ftp server from console and fetch a file?. I cant find anything about it in man ftp |
| 17:38.31 | bbrazil | wDaXS: thats exactly what ftp(1) is for |
| 17:38.41 | fbi | wDaXS: uh, 'get' ? |
| 17:39.11 | wDaXS | bbrazil: sorry ftp(1) |
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| 17:39.25 | wDaXS | fbi: yes but i need it to be done all automatic from the command line. |
| 17:39.40 | fbi | what do you mean 'automatic' |
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| 17:39.56 | wDaXS | fbi: so when i hit enter it logins and get a file. |
| 17:40.12 | fbi | i have no idea what you are talking about. |
| 17:40.29 | wDaXS | sad. |
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| 17:40.38 | fbi | sad? |
| 17:40.42 | fbi | more like ridiculous. |
| 17:40.47 | fbi | why can't you just login and use 'get. |
| 17:41.01 | fbi | how many times do you need to login and get the same file |
| 17:41.17 | wDaXS | fbi: as i said. I want it all done automatic. So i can write one line command i goes into the ftp server and gets a file. |
| 17:41.20 | wDaXS | nothing more or less. |
| 17:41.20 | bbrazil | wDaXS: try wget |
| 17:41.27 | fbi | whatever, good luck. |
| 17:41.43 | wDaXS | bbrazil: the file are not on a www based hotel. Its not a public file. |
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| 17:42.18 | bbrazil | wDaXS: and? wget supports ftp |
| 17:42.39 | wDaXS | okay didnt know. Going for man pages. |
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| 17:45.13 | luci0 | gtk is a language good? |
| 17:45.43 | azeem | no |
| 17:45.48 | nkuttler | luci0: gtk is a toolkit |
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| 17:47.02 | Andy837 | i want to write my own script, i am starting with..... |
| 17:47.07 | Andy837 | #!/bin/sh |
| 17:47.16 | Andy837 | do i HAVE to end with anything specific? |
| 17:47.22 | lindi- | Andy837: nope |
| 17:47.23 | encompass | no |
| 17:47.29 | encompass | scripting is so cool! |
| 17:47.31 | sparr | Andy837: a valid sh statement :) |
| 17:47.38 | Andy837 | whats esac then? |
| 17:47.46 | encompass | the ending of a case |
| 17:47.49 | lindi- | Andy837: case ... esac |
| 17:47.50 | Andy837 | ok (Y) |
| 17:48.01 | lindi- | Andy837: just like if ... then ... else .. fi |
| 17:48.04 | encompass | www.tldp.org and look up advance bash scripting |
| 17:48.08 | luci0 | its compensates to learn gtk? |
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| 17:48.10 | sparr | encompass: no |
| 17:48.14 | sparr | encompass: he said sh, not bash |
| 17:48.23 | sparr | luci0: what is your native language? |
| 17:48.37 | encompass | haha |
| 17:48.42 | encompass | ok ok |
| 17:48.50 | Andy837 | so from a script can i just call a service? |
| 17:49.10 | sparr | luci0: |
| 17:49.12 | luci0 | sparr make programs it has led |
| 17:49.13 | sparr | dpkg es |
| 17:49.13 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 17:49.56 | azeem | sparr: uhm, people speak portuguese in Brazil... |
| 17:50.02 | sparr | azeem: sorry :( |
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| 17:50.11 | sparr | azeem: chalk it up to american ignorance |
| 17:50.14 | azeem | heh |
| 17:50.22 | azeem | Brazil is part of America :P |
| 17:50.23 | luci0 | firefox is make how wish language? |
| 17:50.47 | azeem | !br |
| 17:50.47 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 17:50.59 | sparr | aha |
| 17:51.02 | sparr | go azeem! |
| 17:51.09 | luci0 | azeem go you |
| 17:51.15 | luci0 | i am speak english |
| 17:51.22 | azeem | luci0: ok, it was just a suggestion |
| 17:51.25 | luci0 | no portuguese |
| 17:51.30 | resiak | !po |
| 17:51.30 | dpkg | methinks po is Piss Off or Post Office |
| 17:51.32 | resiak | erm |
| 17:51.44 | resiak | !br |
| 17:51.44 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 17:51.45 | bbrazil | there used to be poland in there... |
| 17:51.48 | nkuttler | resiak: pt |
| 17:51.48 | sparr | luci0: firefox is written in C++ |
| 17:52.00 | piplined | sparr: Something like 1% of the code base is written in C++. |
| 17:52.01 | luci0 | sparr thanks |
| 17:52.09 | nkuttler | poland is pl |
| 17:52.10 | piplined | luci0, sparr: the /vast/ majority of the code is pure C. |
| 17:52.10 | luci0 | sparr c++ for linux |
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| 17:52.47 | SimonRaven | portugal is .pt, and brazil is .br |
| 17:52.54 | luci0 | yes |
| 17:52.58 | SimonRaven | apt-get install countrycodes |
| 17:53.03 | sparr | piplined: im well aware of that, but that makes it C++ :-p |
| 17:53.15 | SimonRaven | or just grep it out from the miscfiles |
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| 17:53.21 | luci0 | wish program c++ for linux |
| 17:53.22 | piplined | sparr: You could argue that the app is written in fucking XUL :P |
| 17:53.28 | sparr | luci0: C++ is OS-independent. |
| 17:53.34 | luci0 | gcc ++ ? |
| 17:53.40 | resiak | SimonRaven: Ace, ta. |
| 17:53.40 | sparr | piplined: and the XUL engine is written in C++ :) |
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| 17:53.50 | rohal | can some one tell me how to make init.d services run at boot?? |
| 17:53.57 | sparr | luci0: not necessarily. it can be compiled with cl or icc instead of gcc. |
| 17:53.58 | azeem | rohal: update-rc.d |
| 17:54.11 | luci0 | sparr thanks |
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| 17:54.42 | piplined | luci0: http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-3.4.4/gcc/ |
| 17:54.51 | piplined | sparr: *rolleyes* |
| 17:54.51 | rohal | azeem: is it like this update-rc.d /etc/init.d sshd start |
| 17:54.55 | luci0 | piplined thanks |
| 17:55.03 | azeem | rohal: man update-rc.d |
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| 17:55.51 | piplined | sparr: Given that it's still possible to compile mozilla without a C++ compiler, I don't think much of it could possibly be written in C++ :P |
| 17:56.04 | rohal | azeem: can u please tell me is it specific to debian....or is it same for most of the distro's......i know its rc-update for gentoo.... |
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| 17:56.14 | azeem | rohal: it's Debian specific |
| 17:56.17 | sparr | piplined: that would be an amazing feat. details? |
| 17:56.23 | SimonRaven | s/l// |
| 17:56.46 | piplined | sparr: Mozilla builds just fine on HP-UX using aCC. |
| 17:56.48 | SimonRaven | ow |
| 17:57.06 | sparr | piplined: given that it includes C++ code, that makes aCC a C++ compiler by definition. |
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| 17:57.22 | piplined | sparr: aCC is not meaningfully a C++ compiler. It doesn't even do templates. It's based on CFront :P |
| 17:58.10 | sparr | piplined: there are a thousand supersets of C. i happen to like the Ch interpreter. if they implement C++ features, and are capable of compiling code that is not C but is C++, then they are C++ compilers to some degree. |
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| 17:58.30 | piplined | sparr: C++ is not a superset of C. |
| 17:59.01 | sparr | piplined: it is a superset of a particular C specification. then again, there is no one C++ either. |
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| 17:59.13 | piplined | sparr: No. C++ is, plain and simple, not a superset of C. |
| 17:59.23 | cuti | hey anyone use scite? how do i close the tab windows |
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| 17:59.30 | cuti | there is no close button |
| 17:59.32 | cuti | :( |
| 17:59.41 | piplined | sparr: It is missing features of ANSI standard C, and C++ allows for certain ambiguous statements. |
| 17:59.45 | piplined | cuti: ctrl + W |
| 17:59.55 | cahoot | SimonRaven: you propose a close of the channel or what? |
| 18:00.08 | SimonRaven | what? no |
| 18:00.13 | cuti | piplined, i want to close it with the mouse |
| 18:00.13 | Frosted | hehe |
| 18:00.14 | piplined | SimonRaven: #debian without pedantry is just #ubuntu. And that would be a sad, sad place. |
| 18:00.25 | piplined | cuti: There's a red "X" in the tool bar. |
| 18:00.30 | SimonRaven | hehe, good point |
| 18:00.32 | piplined | cuti: Also, file -> close file |
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| 18:00.51 | cuti | piplined, i dont see the red x |
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| 18:00.57 | cuti | maybe because of my gtk theme? |
| 18:01.01 | piplined | cuti: perhaps you don't have the tool bar open? |
| 18:01.07 | piplined | cuti: the key words here are "close file" |
| 18:01.24 | cuti | oh yeah |
| 18:01.32 | cuti | i didn't have toolbar often lol. |
| 18:01.45 | cuti | thank you piplined :) |
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| 18:02.31 | SimonRaven | piplined == pipeline? |
| 18:03.30 | takatumi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:03.31 | grendal_prime | jesus..what is the easyest way to write the netinstall image to a usb device |
| 18:03.58 | piplined | SimonRaven: yes. |
| 18:03.58 | grendal_prime | have to do it on a windows machine |
| 18:04.01 | Zmanu | is there possibility to have another language in webmin ?? |
| 18:04.05 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 18:04.18 | Andy837 | is it possible to read NTFS from linux? |
| 18:04.28 | pipeline | Andy837: Yes. |
| 18:04.30 | grendal_prime | Andy837, yes |
| 18:04.32 | SimonRaven | you daemonised yourself? ;p |
| 18:04.40 | pipeline | Andy837: add "ntfs" to /etc/modules, then mount the filesystem with type "ntfs" |
| 18:04.56 | pipeline | SimonRaven: No, I just ran into a ghost :P |
| 18:05.05 | SimonRaven | heh, ok |
| 18:05.05 | Andy837 | would i need to format the drive? |
| 18:05.17 | pipeline | Andy837: no |
| 18:05.22 | SimonRaven | wha? |
| 18:05.24 | Andy837 | cool |
| 18:05.31 | SimonRaven | !format |
| 18:05.31 | dpkg | well, format is probably what you should do to your Windows(tm) box, or what you should do to your MacOS box, or what you should do to your LinuxPPC box, or what you should do to your RedHat box, or what you should do to your Mandrake box, or what you should do to your SuSE box |
| 18:05.33 | pipeline | Andy837: mount the filesystem normally -- "mount -t ntfs <device node> <mount point>" |
| 18:05.43 | thewoz | hello- I have a certain user that I use to ftp files into my fileserver on my lan... now when I upload the files, it sets the file group the same as the user that uploaded them. Is there a way to automatically set files that are created by a user to belong to a certain group? thanks |
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| 18:06.08 | SimonRaven | bah |
| 18:06.09 | pipeline | thewoz: You would have to change that user's primary group. |
| 18:06.26 | thewoz | ahh, ok- is there a config file for that? |
| 18:07.52 | bbrazil | thewoz: /etc/passwd. I'd suggest the SGID bit on a directory |
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| 18:08.15 | bbrazil | thewoz: your ftp server might also support forcing uploaded files to be a certain group |
| 18:08.53 | SimonRaven | back to working on this diff |
| 18:09.07 | thewoz | bbrazil: I'm running wu-ftpd. it doesn't seem to support much... i was running proftpd but had troulbles w/ it |
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| 18:13.20 | NeedPPPoe | Hello i have basic system install of Debian sarge |
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| 18:13.41 | NeedPPPoe | but i want to connect to the my network without using X SERVER |
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| 18:14.03 | NeedPPPoe | What kind of command i must use to connect to my ADSL Provider |
| 18:14.05 | snail | NeedPPPoe: ssh sounds like a place to start. |
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| 18:14.34 | NeedPPPoe | pppoe ? |
| 18:14.40 | NeedPPPoe | pppoeocnf |
| 18:14.42 | NeedPPPoe | ? |
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| 18:15.09 | NeedPPPoe | what kind of binary must i use to get connected throuhg WAn Miniport |
| 18:15.21 | yang | Where is a good link to test download speed? |
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| 18:15.32 | snail | NeedPPPoe: does the phone line physically connect to your computer, or are you using a router of some kind? |
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| 18:16.14 | NeedPPPoe | snail, i`m using a router to obtain my ip and dns |
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| 18:16.43 | NeedPPPoe | the router identifies me with my username and password to get connected |
| 18:16.51 | NeedPPPoe | routers are all debian based |
| 18:17.06 | snail | NeedPPPoe: how are you connecting your computer to the router? using ethernet? |
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| 18:17.22 | NeedPPPoe | snail, thats right using ethernet |
| 18:17.22 | snail | NeedPPPoe: is your query about debian on your computer? or debian on your router? |
| 18:17.39 | NeedPPPoe | my query is on my Debian Home PC |
| 18:17.45 | NeedPPPoe | i am not Internes ISP |
| 18:18.01 | NeedPPPoe | i just want to connect my PC to the network to use apt-get update |
| 18:18.24 | NeedPPPoe | but i dont have X server to use a X based ADSL setup program |
| 18:18.44 | NeedPPPoe | And just that is why i am asking for help |
| 18:18.47 | valdyn | NeedPPPoe: run pppoeconf |
| 18:18.56 | NeedPPPoe | i ran it |
| 18:19.04 | Fox_1_ | it there any wma player in debian? |
| 18:19.13 | valdyn | NeedPPPoe: its not x-based, whats the problem? |
| 18:19.21 | NeedPPPoe | but it says det it coud not dfind the concentrator |
| 18:19.26 | nkuttler | Fox_1_: vlc |
| 18:19.32 | NeedPPPoe | valdyn, because when i use pppoeconf |
| 18:19.37 | snail | Check whether or not you really need it. If your ISP uses PPPoE, but has given you a router, you may not need a PPPoE client on your Linux box. DHCP may work fine. |
| 18:19.47 | valdyn | NeedPPPoe: i understand, is there a router between your home debian box and the internet? |
| 18:22.13 | snail | from http://www.roaringpenguin.com/penguin/open_source_rp-pppoe.php |
| 18:22.13 | NeedPPPoe | it says sorry i did not find your concentrator while i am scanning |
| 18:22.13 | NeedPPPoe | valdyn, yes there is |
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| 18:22.18 | FarrisG | Is there a simple way to recurse all directories from a certain level and delete all files that match a certain regexp? |
| 18:22.20 | grendal_prime | is there a windows too for writing a netinstall iso to a usb device |
| 18:22.20 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:22.20 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 18:22.20 | valdyn | NeedPPPoe: can you 'ping' your router? |
| 18:22.21 | bbrazil | FarrisG: man find |
| 18:22.21 | abrotman | grendal_prime: what's the linux tool ? |
| 18:22.21 | grendal_prime | no i need it for someone on a windows box |
| 18:22.21 | NeedPPPoe | valdyn, no i cant ping a think |
| 18:22.21 | grendal_prime | or..they need a way to start a netinstall...they dont have cd brunint |
| 18:22.23 | grendal_prime | burner |
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| 18:23.11 | Knowerrors | Hey all, why would kded [kdeinit] be using 100% cpu contiuously? |
| 18:23.11 | valdyn | NeedPPPoe: paste somewhere the output of 'ifconfig -a' and 'route -n' |
| 18:23.11 | valdyn | !tell NeedPPPoe -about paste |
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| 18:25.27 | hjack | quick laugh |
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| 18:25.29 | hjack | <nepredi> i was watching doom in the cinema today |
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| 18:25.29 | hjack | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:26.07 | Gnea | heh |
| 18:27.26 | valdyn | Knowerrors: have you checked the bts? |
| 18:27.48 | Fox_1_ | it there any wma plugin for xmms? |
| 18:27.50 | valdyn | FarrisG: yea |
| 18:28.02 | samuel | hello all |
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| 18:28.58 | Knowerrors | valdyn: "bts", what does that mean? |
| 18:29.04 | valdyn | !bts |
| 18:29.04 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
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| 18:30.03 | Knowerrors | Nope, Im not familiar with using that, btw, this isn't straight debian, its Kubuntu, and I asked in their channel too, no ideas yet, am in kde channel asking as well |
| 18:30.20 | yang | where can i check high download speeds? |
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| 18:31.03 | abrotman | wge ? |
| 18:31.04 | abrotman | wget ? |
| 18:31.14 | Knowerrors | I have another problem, when computer is first started, to not detect monitor right and go to 320x240 resolution, but then after doing a restart, detect it fine and go to 1024x768 |
| 18:31.17 | GullyFoyle | yang: broadbandreports.com |
| 18:31.21 | petemc | yang: google for speed test |
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| 18:32.00 | spike | hi there. can anybody help me with module-assistant? I can't build the loop-aes module, loop-aes-cyphers works fine. the problem is, for the former a full kernel is required. I installed the kernel-source pkg for my kernel, and unpacked it. yet I canno compile the module. any idea? |
| 18:33.15 | spike | the error is it fails to find loop.c, and path looks like the headers one, not the full source one, so that seems to be the cause |
| 18:33.26 | yang | yeah i tried several, but they are all for DSL only |
| 18:33.32 | MrCoYoTe | Yop all |
| 18:33.40 | valdyn | Knowerrors: this channel does not support kubuntu or any other debian derivatives |
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| 18:34.26 | Knowerrors | yeah, figured as much |
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| 18:35.11 | cheal | spike: did you get your kernel's headers? |
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| 18:36.13 | spike | cheal: yep, pkg for running kernel. and as I said, loop-aes-cyphers compiles fine. |
| 18:36.34 | takatumi | spike: try simlinking the kernel-source dir to /usr/src/linux/ |
| 18:36.37 | spike | cheal: that because in order to compile loop-aes-cyphers headers are enough, it doesnt need the full source tree |
| 18:36.46 | spike | takatumi: I did that too, didn't help |
| 18:36.52 | stew | takatumi: README says not to :) |
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| 18:36.59 | nksen | hi there. i debootstrapped a system. anyway... when I installed grub, it did not create /boot/grub/*. |
| 18:37.04 | signius_ | Knowerrors if Kubuntu is anything like Ubuntu its full of bugs and stuff not working i have gone back to using proper debian |
| 18:37.07 | takatumi | stew: m-a does it :) |
| 18:37.25 | stew | does it? bad m-a! |
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| 18:37.38 | spike | yes, links linux to current headers dir |
| 18:37.38 | nksen | may I create it by hand? |
| 18:37.46 | signius_ | People say Debian are too slow to aupdate stuff but at least the stuff they got works and is thorougly tested and works |
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| 18:37.56 | Knowerrors | good point |
| 18:37.57 | Fox_1_ | how to install apache2? |
| 18:38.02 | spike | anyway, I can't figure out how to fix this... any other idea? |
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| 18:38.28 | Knowerrors | but I may be too far into the game (ubu) to get out now, this is my 3rd linux install in a couple weeks, so we'll see |
| 18:38.31 | Andy837 | ok im ready to get access to an NTFS drive in linux |
| 18:38.39 | Andy837 | i've added NTFS to /etc/modules/ |
| 18:38.43 | spike | also, m-a says the kernel source is unconfigured, but I cp'ed there /boot/config-2.6.. and ran make oldconfig |
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| 18:38.46 | Knowerrors | maybe I'll be back here with regular Debian... laters |
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| 18:39.01 | cheal | spike: OK...I guess you need the source |
| 18:39.02 | takatumi | spike: you ran m-a prepare right? |
| 18:39.09 | spike | that to my eyes should fix the unconfigured kernel error m-a tells me about |
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| 18:39.26 | spike | takatumi: yes |
| 18:39.36 | artooro | hi, I'm trying to figure out if it's possible to run vumeter and gnome-sound-recorder at the same time. Is it possible? Because vumeter uses esd which locks /dev/dsp while the recorder wants to use dsp for recording. Is there another better volume meter? |
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| 18:39.39 | Boy-18 | hi |
| 18:39.49 | spike | takatumi: as I said, loop-aes-cypher compiles fine, so m-a and headers are ok |
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| 18:40.13 | spike | takatumi: the problem is in order to compile loop-aes you need a full kernel source because it requires stuff like loop.c |
| 18:40.24 | spike | cheal: I have the source... |
| 18:40.24 | electron | hi howcan I set pon it start a ppp connection on boot as one of the first processes? |
| 18:40.43 | takatumi | spike: my hunch was since you got the headers it prepared for headers but not the source |
| 18:40.46 | molsen | I have a problem configuring exim! If i do "dpkg-reconfigure exim4" it just returns to the shell with no output! Should i just try to reinstall (exim)? |
| 18:40.48 | spike | cheal: I apt-got the source pkg for my kernel |
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| 18:40.59 | cristian___ | hi |
| 18:41.05 | spike | takatumi: that was my guess too, that's why I got the source and symlinked linux to that. still looks for the headers |
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| 18:41.30 | spike | takatumi: and if I apt-get remove --purge the headers it won't run, telling me to run "Prepare" and install the headers |
| 18:41.30 | Nick_Hill | What is the package name to download source for etch kernel? |
| 18:41.46 | cristian___ | any problems with 8 bit depth? |
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| 18:42.00 | cristian___ | in the same machine that has debian, if i boot it with an ubuntu livecd with xorg, it works in 8 bits very well |
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| 18:42.10 | Zugschlus | molsen: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config. it's in the docs |
| 18:42.13 | takatumi | spike: prepare works fine even for vanilla kernel source here, doesn't complain. |
| 18:42.20 | electron | hi |
| 18:42.28 | grendal_prime | ok abrotman he got knoppix fired up on the machine |
| 18:42.29 | molsen | Hmm.. didn't see that, sorry! |
| 18:42.46 | grendal_prime | whats the command line to write iso info to a device other than a cdrom |
| 18:42.48 | Fox_1_ | how to install apache2? |
| 18:42.52 | Nick_Hill | The kernel compile howto is out of date for etch, I can't figure out the package name to apt-get source the kernel. |
| 18:42.55 | cheal | Nick_Hill: linux-source-2.6.12 ? |
| 18:42.57 | grendal_prime | like he wants to send the netinstall iso to a usb device |
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| 18:43.11 | spike | takatumi: mmmh, you mean if you have got the vanilla pkg but not the headers it goes on and doesnt complain? |
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| 18:43.53 | takatumi | spike: yup, compiled madwifi against .14 from kernel.org with m-a, worked like a charm today. |
| 18:43.53 | Nick_Hill | cheal, I thought I tried that yesterday. It works! Ih well.. |
| 18:43.57 | asg | Fox_1_: install one of the 'Depends:' requirements from 'apt-cache show apache2 | grep ^Depends' or just 'apt-get install apache2' |
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| 18:45.11 | takatumi | spike: I'm not hinting at getting a vanilla source, the one you apt-get'd should work the same, *shrug* |
| 18:45.28 | Eno_ | hi, i'm running sarge with a 2.4 k7 kernel, and sometimes X freezes (sound too) for about 20 seconds, and then everything is back to normal |
| 18:45.29 | electron | hi howcan I set pon it start a ppp connection on boot as one of the first processes? |
| 18:45.35 | Eno_ | what would be some possible causes of this? |
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| 18:45.52 | Eno_ | maybe 15secs |
| 18:46.01 | valdyn | electron: you dont do that, you add your ppp0 in /etc/network/interfaces and set it to 'auto' |
| 18:46.22 | brimstone | what's a good tool to let run for month or more to calculate network traffic statistics, mainly total upload/download per interface, per ip, per port ? |
| 18:46.24 | electron | ? |
| 18:46.29 | electron | what will that do? |
| 18:46.35 | Fox_1_ | asg apt-get install apache2 say Package apache2 is a virtual package provided by: |
| 18:46.37 | Fox_1_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.37 | Fox_1_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.52 | asg | Fox_1_: and then you install one of them |
| 18:46.59 | enveezee | Eno_: could possibly be a buggy or incorrect display driver, or some program reaching 100%cpu |
| 18:47.01 | freebox | exist some software to manage the printers? I need reports a prints (Who, when, etc..).. Some idea? |
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| 18:47.06 | valdyn | electron: iface ppp0 inet ppp \ provider whatever |
| 18:47.11 | Fox_1_ | whats the defferents? |
| 18:47.26 | asg | Fox_1_: if you don't know, then just install apache 1.3 |
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| 18:47.52 | Fox_1_ | asg do youu know? |
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| 18:48.13 | Aragorn2292 | Hey all... I got a question/problem about the Xserver in Debian |
| 18:48.32 | Fox_1_ | asg: if so say which one to install. |
| 18:48.36 | Aragorn2292 | I can't get the GUI to work, just keep getting some holographical black screen. |
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| 18:48.47 | nkuttler | brimstone: ntop? |
| 18:48.48 | asg | Fox_1_: of course. You can too by typing 'apt-cache show <pkg>' for each and reading the description. |
| 18:48.55 | cees | I neeed a litle help Debian ppc testing. Gnome Desktop is missing all. No icons, no panel, none!!! |
| 18:49.11 | redondos_ | how can I monitor bandwidth usage in a per-user (or application/pid) basis? |
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| 18:49.20 | cees | I did an update & upgrade tonight |
| 18:49.23 | nkuttler | cees: check the bts |
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| 18:49.26 | brimstone | nkuttler: is that one that i can leave running for a while, i'm not looking for a console based currently running one |
| 18:49.38 | Fox_1_ | asg: in my place which one you will install? |
| 18:49.40 | DekanyZ | How can i make a network trough the internet with a Win computer? |
| 18:49.43 | electron | where in the file do I add it? |
| 18:49.54 | cees | bts? sorry what is this ? My english is so bad |
| 18:50.00 | nkuttler | !bts |
| 18:50.00 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 18:50.04 | nkuttler | hm |
| 18:50.10 | asg | Fox_1_: I wouldn't, I'd install apache 1.3 unless I had a compelling reason to use 2.0. If you insist on 2.0, then install the mpm-prefork module |
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| 18:50.34 | nkuttler | brimstone: apt-cache show screen... |
| 18:50.38 | valdyn | electron: at the end if you like, and add ppp0 to your the line starting with auto |
| 18:50.50 | pipeline | asg: ! |
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| 18:50.54 | valdyn | electron: at the end if you like, and add ppp0 to the line starting with auto |
| 18:50.57 | pipeline | asg: Threaded apache is awesome. |
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| 18:51.04 | pipeline | Fox_1_: Are you using PHP? |
| 18:51.07 | brimstone | nkuttler: yes, i like the screen, but would be best to run this independant of screen |
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| 18:51.20 | Fox_1_ | pipeline yes |
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| 18:52.08 | pipeline | Fox_1_: In that case, use Apache 1.3 |
| 18:52.19 | pipeline | Fox_1_: PHP is very poorly written. It's not thread safe. |
| 18:52.23 | sha1sum | does anybody know what would cause the following error (checked perms already)?: does anybody know what would cause the following p |
| 18:52.31 | asg | pipeline: awesome unless you are using php ;) |
| 18:52.32 | Denn | Im quite new to debian, i got an installation file from SWsoft. Its called 'psa_installer_v2.0.0_build75050908.11_os_Debian_3.1_i686', how to get debian to install it? |
| 18:52.39 | sha1sum | argh damn past |
| 18:52.40 | sha1sum | e |
| 18:52.41 | Aragorn2292 | I can't get the GUI to work, just keep getting some holographical black screen. I'm running Debian (duh) with the Xserver (KDE) |
| 18:52.45 | Fox_1_ | pipeline: ok thanks |
| 18:52.52 | pipeline | Fox_1_: Apache 2.0 with the "worker" mpm is much, much nicer than 1.3 or 2+mpm-prefork, but PHP kind of forces you to use a non-threaded apache. |
| 18:52.55 | pipeline | asg: Fuck PHP :p |
| 18:52.55 | sha1sum | msg 1/1 (1262 bytes), delivery error (command procmail 28153 error (0, procmail: Error while writing to "/home/anthony/Procmail/pmlog")) |
| 18:53.11 | valdyn | Denn: chmod +x <file>, then try running it |
| 18:53.13 | asg | pipeline: heh, it has its uses but for that, 1.3 is a robust platform. |
| 18:53.26 | asg | pipeline: we do run 2.0 with mod_python effectively though |
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| 18:53.36 | pipeline | asg: Python is one of the few languages I hate more than PHP :P |
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| 18:53.41 | Aragorn2292 | Denn: what's the extension of the file? is it a .deb or a .tar.gz ? |
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| 18:53.44 | sussudio | in soviet russia, php fucks you |
| 18:53.57 | asg | pipeline: I agree, my developers, however, use it. |
| 18:54.10 | Denn | Aragorn2292 It has no extension. On the site its called a Autoinstaller build 75050908.11 |
| 18:54.26 | Denn | So i surpose it some kind of automatic installation thing :) |
| 18:54.31 | Fox_1_ | do you know anything about tcpdump? |
| 18:54.32 | asg | Denn: type 'file <file>' and tell us what it says it is |
| 18:54.35 | Aragorn2292 | k, then do what Valdyn said. (I saw it too late) |
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| 18:55.37 | linux_addict_ | guys, I have 512MB ram, and it's always 97% to 99% full... is this normal ? |
| 18:55.44 | valdyn | linux_addict_: yes |
| 18:56.03 | linux_addict_ | valdyn, but why debian is the only one that do that ? |
| 18:56.09 | enyc | linux_addict_: fes |
| 18:56.17 | valdyn | linux_addict_: it isnt, every sane operating system does that |
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| 18:56.26 | enyc | linux_addict_: the kernel uses the ram for cache / buffers |
| 18:56.50 | valdyn | linux_addict_: run 'free' and you will notice that there's some ( or alot ) of memory used by the OS as buffers / cache |
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| 18:57.01 | Fox_1_ | can i catch pakets size with tcpdump |
| 18:57.14 | valdyn | !ram |
| 18:57.14 | dpkg | methinks ram is (Random Access Memory) The place in your computer that programs reside when running. or usually small but very fast storage device, or unused ram is _wasted_! ram!, or a male sheep |
| 18:58.21 | Aragorn2292 | On my server, the Xserver won't work correctly in Debian or Debain based systems, but in RedHat or SuSE (or RedHat/SuSE based systems) it works fine. http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/topic-59482.html for the XF86Config-4 file |
| 18:58.26 | enyc | linux_addict_: as the kernel 'vm subsystem' needs information, it removes read-cached data or swaps-out process-memory... |
| 18:59.25 | linux_addict_ | enyc, ok, but do u mean that the kernel will full up any memory i'll put in the future ? |
| 18:59.39 | linux_addict_ | enyc, a stupid ques... sorry |
| 19:00.04 | Denn | asg: Its an ELF 32-it LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (sysv), dunamically linked (users shared libs), not stripped |
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| 19:00.11 | abrotman | !free ram |
| 19:00.11 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
| 19:00.31 | enyc | linux_addict_: in short, yes... |
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| 19:02.00 | asg | Denn: then chmod +x it and run it |
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| 19:02.23 | snikker | hi, how can i start a program by script (to put into /etc/init.d) ? Where i can find some docs? |
| 19:02.40 | asg | snikker: /etc/init.d/README |
| 19:02.45 | asg | snikker: man update-rc.d |
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| 19:03.34 | snikker | asg: ok, thank you very much :-) |
| 19:03.54 | Aragorn2292 | On my server, the Xserver won't work correctly in Debian or Debain based systems, but in RedHat or SuSE (or RedHat/SuSE based systems) it works fine. http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/topic-59482.html for the XF86Config-4 file (keep trying...) |
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| 19:04.16 | oskie | hm, it seems "tooltips" (title=foo attribute) for images etc in mozilla 1.0.7 no longer works...e.g. www.google.com, hold mouse over halloween image... it should say 'Halloween 2005' |
| 19:04.27 | oskie | anyone else with the same problem? |
| 19:04.44 | Denn | asg it seems like its missing some glibc or so? |
| 19:04.56 | tictac | oskie: works fine here. |
| 19:04.56 | asg | then it's probably redhat crap |
| 19:05.00 | asg | Denn: /msg dpkg redhat crap |
| 19:05.01 | Aragorn2292 | oskie: nope... works fine here |
| 19:05.04 | oskie | weird. |
| 19:05.17 | Denn | asg no, its for debian |
| 19:05.25 | oskie | perhaps I should try to clean my .mozilla |
| 19:05.36 | asg | Denn: yes but the old libraries it needs can be acquired by reading the redhat crap factoid |
| 19:05.43 | Mr-R | oskie: mozilla 1.0.7 is quite out-dated. try switching to firefox 1.0.7. ;) |
| 19:05.53 | oskie | Mr-R: sorry..that's what I meant :) |
| 19:06.02 | abrotman | Denn: what's the error ? |
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| 19:07.29 | oskie | heh.. uninstalling Google Web bar thing in firefox fixed the problem |
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| 19:09.32 | registered | yeah watch out for that google bar |
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| 19:10.08 | DekanyZ | How can i make a network trough the internet with a Win computer? |
| 19:10.20 | abrotman | ask .. #windows ? |
| 19:10.26 | DekanyZ | ok |
| 19:10.36 | linux_addict_ | oskie, i had a strange prob with google toolbar too, it changes all my firefox to another strange language..., tho iam sure that i choosed the en-us toolbar |
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| 19:10.58 | linux_addict_ | oskie, the solution was removing google toolbar :S |
| 19:11.21 | oskie | linux_addict_: hehe ok |
| 19:11.21 | iiiears | windows >> linux+firestarter firewall/config tool >> then 'net |
| 19:11.26 | RichiH | is there a common global variable, like $EDITOR and $PAGER, for a diff viewer? |
| 19:11.30 | registered | what do you need it for anyway ;) |
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| 19:12.04 | RichiH | iiiears: we have had better attempts at trolling :) |
| 19:13.02 | iiiears | Huh? - he was asking how to use his linux machine as a gateway for his windows lan no? |
| 19:13.12 | deadcat | can someone tell me if http://www.accuwebhosting.com/linux-webhosting.htm is a rippoff compare to http://dreamhost.com/shared/comparison.html please. especially the bandwidth per month |
| 19:13.19 | RichiH | iiiears: oh! |
| 19:13.22 | RichiH | iiiears: sorry |
| 19:13.46 | RichiH | iiiears: i thought that was meant to read windows is worth more than linux, which ini turn is better than the internet |
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| 19:14.04 | RichiH | iiiears: which, you have to admit, would be very poor trolling, indead :) |
| 19:14.07 | RichiH | erm |
| 19:14.08 | registered | try liquidweb.com good support and tech staff |
| 19:14.08 | RichiH | indeed |
| 19:14.47 | iiiears | you have a point - i need to sharpen my arrows.. - lol |
| 19:14.47 | abrotman | no .. i think he wanted to do internet sharing with windows |
| 19:14.59 | deadcat | registered: i have an account with dreamhost and they are pretty nice. but i am working on a website which is hosted by accuwebhosting, we are out of bandwidth for the month and the coach said we really need it up |
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| 19:15.19 | registered | try liquidweb |
| 19:15.24 | registered | good packages |
| 19:15.38 | deadcat | registered: 14$/month. dreamhost only $8/month |
| 19:15.55 | doubleg | can you call them 24 hours 7 days? |
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| 19:16.11 | deadcat | doubleg: i dont need to call them. i just need the bandwidth |
| 19:16.18 | doubleg | i see.. |
| 19:16.30 | doubleg | well shit go with the cheapest host then |
| 19:16.30 | wang | hi I have an mp3 player connected to my box via usb, how do i get into it? |
| 19:16.34 | RichiH | iiiears: -> :) |
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| 19:16.38 | deadcat | doubleg: why you call them at 2am and say "hey.. what you wearing?" (= |
| 19:16.48 | doubleg | hehe |
| 19:16.50 | doubleg | :) |
| 19:16.55 | doubleg | yep sometimes for fun |
| 19:17.21 | doubleg | mostly tho cause customers can be anyplace and the interenet is timeless really |
| 19:17.30 | iiiears | looking for a woman dressed in only cat 5 cable. - lol |
| 19:17.35 | peaceyall` | im trying to write a cd but i keep getting permission errors, here is the debugging log: http://pastebin.com/412436, whats wrong? |
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| 19:18.05 | deadcat | doubleg: heres what i have so far. domain.com reg'ed with accuwebhosting. can i reg with dreamhost and let dreamhost handle domain.com? |
| 19:18.15 | abrotman | no way .. i thought he was banned |
| 19:18.24 | Sago7 | saludos |
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| 19:18.33 | wang | hi I have an mp3 player connected to my box via usb, how do i get into it? |
| 19:18.34 | doubleg | cant execute on tmp? |
| 19:18.36 | doubleg | no idea |
| 19:18.39 | deadcat | wang: mount it |
| 19:18.57 | timo | peaceyall`, /usr/bin/cdrecord needs to be suid root |
| 19:18.59 | deadcat | wang: check what dmesg say. then check /proc/partitions. if you see some sort of /dev/sda, you're in. else too bad. |
| 19:18.59 | abrotman | wang: plug it in |
| 19:19.07 | wang | any idea what the syntax would be and should i make an /etc/fstab entry for it |
| 19:19.17 | doubleg | yeah check fstab |
| 19:19.27 | peaceyall` | timo , how should i do that? |
| 19:19.30 | doubleg | make sure you got right permissions for correct partitions |
| 19:19.45 | timo | peaceyall`, chmod u+s /usr/bin/cdrecord |
| 19:19.51 | peaceyall` | ok |
| 19:20.24 | blaamann | peaceyall`: I just did some troubleshooting, this site helped me |
| 19:20.47 | timo | peaceyall`, actually, chmod u+s /usr/bin/cdrecord* |
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| 19:20.53 | peaceyall` | timo i just tried that , still not working |
| 19:21.03 | peaceyall` | oh |
| 19:21.16 | blaamann | My mouse stopped working.... |
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| 19:21.46 | wang | doubleg : nothing in fstab for it, what's the command that probes for new devices? i forgot what it's called |
| 19:21.55 | deadcat | doubleg: heres what i have so far. domain.com reg'ed with accuwebhosting. can i reg with dreamhost and let dreamhost handle domain.com? |
| 19:22.11 | iiiears | modprobe |
| 19:22.14 | foo | Anyone successfully gotten their debian box to print to a windows printer on the network that is shared? I have a network printer on a windows box .. all windows boxes can print to it, but I just can't get debian (or any distro) to work. Any ideas? |
| 19:22.16 | abrotman | !tell wang about usb-storage |
| 19:22.17 | iiiears | lspci |
| 19:22.20 | abrotman | !tell wang about vfatrw |
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| 19:23.11 | nksen | Guerin: on? |
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| 19:25.01 | peaceyall` | my bluetooth was working before i upgraded to debian sid. But now when i upgraded im not sire if it is even detecting it. How can i check if its detecting my bluetooth hardware? |
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| 19:27.59 | Fox_1_ | how to correct this problem???????? io/hpiod/system.cpp:830: error: prototype for `int System::SetSnmp(char*, int, |
| 19:28.00 | Fox_1_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.00 | Fox_1_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.00 | Fox_1_ | io/hpiod/system.h:75: error: candidate is: int System::SetSnmp(char*, int, |
| 19:28.00 | Fox_1_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.00 | Fox_1_ | io/hpiod/system.cpp:836: error: prototype for `int System::GetSnmp(char*, int, |
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| 19:28.23 | abrotman | Fox_1_: DON'T DO THAT |
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| 19:28.40 | peaceyall` | Fox_1_, use pastebin.com please |
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| 19:28.59 | petemc | bonus points for the extra punctuation too |
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| 19:29.33 | enveezee | I'd say its a bad user, replace user and bang head off keyboard to continue |
| 19:29.46 | enveezee | a good user would never have flooded #debian |
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| 19:30.36 | peaceyall` | how can i check if debian sid is detecting my bluetooth? |
| 19:30.49 | Fox_1_ | ok sorry |
| 19:30.55 | sgk281 | quick question, to compile a project using gcc-compat, you use "make CC=gcc32 CXX=g++32" |
| 19:30.57 | sgk281 | right? |
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| 19:32.37 | wang | is it difficult to upgrade the kernel? |
| 19:33.13 | peaceyall` | wang , depends on wat way u use. |
| 19:33.20 | wang | via apt-get |
| 19:33.25 | blaamann | peaceyall` : Try dmesg | grep Bluetooth |
| 19:33.25 | peaceyall` | oh |
| 19:33.26 | peaceyall` | just do |
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| 19:33.39 | peaceyall` | apt-cache search linux-image |
| 19:33.46 | peaceyall` | and pick which one then apt-get install it wang |
| 19:34.02 | wang | nothing shows up |
| 19:34.18 | enveezee | because there are no packages called linux-image |
| 19:34.18 | Tortel | wang: try kernel0image |
| 19:34.23 | Tortel | oops |
| 19:34.26 | Tortel | wang: try kernel-image |
| 19:34.27 | Fox_1_ | please look here: http://pastebin.com/412491 |
| 19:34.30 | enveezee | thats the new ones not the ones in sarge |
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| 19:35.15 | peaceyall` | blaamann, http://pastebin.com/412493 , that shows up |
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| 19:35.44 | teo | hi folks |
| 19:35.48 | Tortel | hi |
| 19:35.51 | peaceyall` | hi |
| 19:36.00 | enveezee | not yet, but I'm workin on it |
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| 19:36.08 | teo | i'm trying to insall the nvidia driver.. |
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| 19:36.17 | Tortel | !nvidia |
| 19:36.18 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer! Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-howto" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists, or the nvidia-kernel-source package |
| 19:36.34 | teo | i've some trouble t oterm xserver |
| 19:36.35 | simon | Hi i have a debian unstable with kernel 2.6.12-1-686 . i would like to know how can i configure the sound that it will be shared by several application for exemple i would like to hear my softphone ringing when i listen to music. thank u |
| 19:36.46 | teo | i tried ctrl-alt-backspace |
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| 19:37.01 | nkuttler | simon: use alsa |
| 19:37.08 | teo | but installer says me it's still on |
| 19:37.11 | teo | ideas? |
| 19:37.15 | simon | i use alsa |
| 19:37.30 | simon | but i need that applications share the sound card |
| 19:37.30 | bbrazil | teo: try crtl-alt-f1, if that doesn't work try sshing in |
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| 19:37.43 | cahoot | simon: using skype? |
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| 19:37.50 | deepa1 | i had installed the debian base system and e16 without any X ... so i dont have startx now.. i would like to have enlightenment as my window manager as well as desktop manager.. apt-get install startx says not such package ? |
| 19:38.05 | simon | cahoot :yes i use |
| 19:38.17 | chea1 | teo: installer? are you using nvidia.com's nvidia-installer? |
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| 19:38.26 | deadcat | whats the default account for cups? (= |
| 19:38.31 | tarzeau | hi bob2 , i think we're waiting for the latest gnustep tarballs... |
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| 19:38.37 | fbi | !tell deepa1 about setup x |
| 19:38.44 | tarzeau | bob2: i've got an url with some (of hubert), if you want to try |
| 19:38.50 | enveezee | deadcat: root |
| 19:38.53 | fbi | deadcat: add your user to the lpadmin group and use your normal login |
| 19:39.07 | deadcat | fbi: damn. |
| 19:39.12 | wang | i should be ok updating from 2.4.26-386 to kernel-image-2.6-686? |
| 19:39.13 | simon | i want to hear skype ringing and gaim too while listning to music is that possible or not???? |
| 19:39.25 | blaamann | peaceyall`: I transfer files to and from my laptop and mobile phone, this page helped me: http://rootsmith.ca/t616-linux.html |
| 19:39.27 | cahoot | simon: skype isn't alsa-aware (yet) - I think you'll find a couple of long threads on this subjecct on the skype forum |
| 19:39.45 | teo | i'll try |
| 19:39.46 | deadcat | fbi: but i still can print with any user right? |
| 19:39.46 | enveezee | doesnt matter there are oss emulation drivers |
| 19:39.56 | simon | cahoot :and for gaim and xmms |
| 19:40.04 | fbi | deadcat: probably only the users added to the lpadmin group. |
| 19:40.06 | peaceyall` | thank you blaamann |
| 19:40.13 | deadcat | fbi: ah |
| 19:40.21 | fbi | that's the whole point of 'groups'. |
| 19:40.51 | deadcat | fbi: i dont feel like typing my passwd onto a browser (= |
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| 19:41.26 | cahoot | simon: either your sound card has hw mixing which alsa recognises and uses by default - or - your card needs an app to mix sounds - dmix in alsa or artsd/esd |
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| 19:42.22 | simon | ok thank u cahoot |
| 19:42.37 | deepa1 | can i chroot from fedora to debian and run apt-get.. will it lead to any problems later ? |
| 19:44.35 | Fox_1_ | anyone look http://pastebin.com/412491 ? |
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| 19:47.59 | valdyn | deepa1: it shouldnt make a difference |
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| 19:48.26 | deepa1 | is there a case when chroot will lead you to trouble ? |
| 19:48.51 | aliumalik | Is there even one multithreaded download manager for linux? |
| 19:48.56 | tarzeau | aliumalik: no |
| 19:49.01 | tarzeau | aliumalik: that doesn't exist. use wget |
| 19:49.11 | shib | how can i change my screen resolution? i configured something wrong and now i'm in a really low resolution.. |
| 19:49.15 | bbrazil | deepa1: if you're not messing with /proc, lilo, grub, kernel etc. you should be fine |
| 19:49.20 | tarzeau | shib: x? console? fb? |
| 19:49.32 | shib | tarzeau: x |
| 19:49.35 | aliumalik | tarzeau:that kinda sucks cli is slower than gui :P |
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| 19:49.45 | abrotman | aliumalik: with a GUI ? |
| 19:49.45 | enveezee | haha |
| 19:49.53 | tarzeau | aliumalik: bullshit |
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| 19:50.04 | aliumalik | abrotman: yes |
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| 19:50.08 | deepa1 | bbrazil: is debian kernel different from fedora kernal .. if so why |
| 19:50.14 | SimonRaven | i fail to see why this patch is failing; paste bin coming up from paster |
| 19:50.22 | abrotman | aliumalik: if you're a pansy and you need a gui .. try gwget .. but most people are smart enough to read the man page of wget and actually learn how to use it ... sadly . you're not |
| 19:50.27 | tarzeau | shib: xorg or xfree? |
| 19:50.30 | shib | xfree |
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| 19:50.41 | bbrazil | deepa1: trying to use modules compiled with different compilers for different linux versions is a bad idea |
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| 19:50.45 | tarzeau | !drxx |
| 19:50.45 | dpkg | [drxx] dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the X config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 19:50.48 | tarzeau | shib: for you |
| 19:50.51 | dabaR | abrotman: sentence fragment |
| 19:50.53 | shib | yea i already did that |
| 19:50.59 | abrotman | dabaR: sentence fragment |
| 19:50.59 | valdyn | deepa1: debian adds security / stability fixes, removes nonfree stuff, fedora probably just adds features |
| 19:51.14 | shib | but i'll try again |
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| 19:51.20 | aliumalik | abrotman: I dont think you have ever downloaded like 50 files at one time gui is way faster than cli |
| 19:51.29 | abrotman | aliumalik: wanna bet ? |
| 19:51.33 | enveezee | seriously |
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| 19:51.41 | enveezee | I write a one-liner bash script for it |
| 19:51.55 | enveezee | and could probably do it faster than you could clicky clicky |
| 19:52.01 | iiiears | deepa1 if you are advanced enough to worrty about kernel security. compiling your own kernel is a better idea. - else debian and fedora are equally insecure too many modules loaded on start up. |
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| 19:52.41 | valdyn | iiiears: thats fud |
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| 19:52.44 | SimonRaven | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1013 |
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| 19:52.51 | valdyn | iiiears: and plainly false |
| 19:52.53 | enveezee | just when you think you found the dumbest person in the channel another one pops up |
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| 19:53.16 | SimonRaven | iiiears: wtf are you smoking? |
| 19:53.37 | iiiears | valdyn - maybe - lol - i don't think kernel securoty is a big deal. likely a dozen ways to break into a desktop before the kernel becomes an issue. |
| 19:53.38 | tarzeau | aliumalik: hahah, gui IS slower |
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| 19:53.43 | Denn | I got this error when installing plesk: sh: deb-conf-set-selections: command not found |
| 19:53.43 | dabaR | he's a newb, so he doesnt know |
| 19:53.47 | Denn | How to fix? |
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| 19:53.59 | abrotman | !tell Denn about search |
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| 19:54.20 | aliumalik | tarzeau: there is no use arguing you cannot convince me and I can't convince you guys :P no holy wars over cli vs gui :P |
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| 19:54.25 | humbolt | does anybody know a good place for dedicated debian servers? |
| 19:54.49 | dabaR | basement? |
| 19:54.51 | Ronin | sorry did i read that correctly? cli is slower then gui? |
| 19:54.56 | skopii | can anyone help me, I am trying to install debian on my sparc. |
| 19:55.14 | aliumalik | I take my words back... |
| 19:55.15 | abrotman | Ronin: he forgot to wear a helmet during batting practice |
| 19:55.17 | SimonRaven | Ronin: maybe if you type at 5 wpm ;p |
| 19:55.19 | Denn | rch deb-conf-set-selections |
| 19:55.21 | abrotman | !sparc |
| 19:55.21 | dpkg | [sparc] the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
| 19:55.36 | Ronin | abrotman and SimonRaven apparently :) |
| 19:55.47 | tarzeau | aliumalik: have you worked on NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP ever? |
| 19:56.05 | deadcat | by default. does cups allow machines on the network to print? |
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| 19:56.10 | SimonRaven | Ronin: i don't ;). more like 20 |
| 19:56.13 | valdyn | deadcat: nope |
| 19:56.15 | omry | what's the trick to resize the / (root) partition? how can I unmount it for resizing? |
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| 19:56.25 | deadcat | valdyn: cool. |
| 19:56.26 | Zub | hello, i want to download a snapshot of sid via jigdo, but i dont know where to get it, i tried ftp.fsn.hu, as debian.org say, but the directory is empty, is there any other way? |
| 19:56.29 | brosioz | anyone known if the film saw 2 is out ? |
| 19:56.43 | SimonRaven | there's no 'trick' just boot to another system disk/cd/whatever |
| 19:56.46 | enveezee | omry: the trick is not to do it |
| 19:56.57 | dabaR | brosioz: google |
| 19:57.04 | klync | if i do `dpkg -i foo-homegrown.deb` will that check its deps as well? |
| 19:57.07 | SimonRaven | and i'd move everything off instead of 'resizing'... |
| 19:57.15 | omry | enveezee, I want to move most of it to LVM. |
| 19:57.20 | enveezee | omry: you would generally mount a new filesystem to /mnt/ and then copy over whatever is taking up too much space and then remount it where it belongs |
| 19:57.20 | SimonRaven | klync: yes |
| 19:57.32 | klync | SimonRaven: thx... that makes me very happy |
| 19:57.35 | SimonRaven | klync: it won't download them, as this is just dpkg |
| 19:57.36 | enveezee | omry: you definatly dont want / on lvm |
| 19:57.53 | omry | enveezee, of course not. I just want to move data which is on / right now to lvm |
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| 19:58.00 | klync | SimonRaven: ya, i was expecting a warning tho... i made a sun-j2sdk pkg a couple months ago, and i thought it'd require some X libs |
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| 19:58.20 | enveezee | omry: this has nothing to do with unmounting and resizing / |
| 19:58.41 | SimonRaven | anyway, someone can help me out with this patch? http://channels.debian.net/paste/1013 |
| 19:59.06 | omry | enveezee, I want to take part of the space the root partition is using, and move it to LVM. |
| 19:59.12 | klync | omry: until you have / on an lvm volume, i don't think you can play fast and loose like that, tho you could try remounting it ro |
| 19:59.21 | abrotman | SimonRaven: i'd ask peterS! |
| 19:59.26 | SimonRaven | oh fun, now i'm burned *and* bruised |
| 19:59.47 | abrotman | SimonRaven: it looks fine to me |
| 19:59.56 | abrotman | oh .. there's yourproblem .. he uses hydra :) |
| 20:00.01 | SimonRaven | patch bitches about it for no apparent reason |
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| 20:00.19 | abrotman | SimonRaven: perhaps you could include the error? :) |
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| 20:00.25 | enveezee | heh |
| 20:00.49 | SimonRaven | um, usual patch whinging, hunk FAILED at line foo |
| 20:01.00 | abrotman | !captain obvious me |
| 20:01.15 | omry | klync, what do you mean, remounting as real-only? why? |
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| 20:01.28 | dabaR | hunk, haha |
| 20:01.40 | SimonRaven | klync: that's not going to matter. it's still mounted |
| 20:01.49 | SimonRaven | dabaR: look it up |
| 20:01.54 | SimonRaven | @dict hunk |
| 20:01.57 | ravenbird | Dictionary 'hunk' (3 of 4): a large piece of something without definite shape; "a hunk of bread"; "a lump of coal" ;; a well-built sexually attractive man ;; \Hunk\, n. [Cf. {Hunch}.] 1. A large lump or piece; a hunch; as, a hunk of bread. [Colloq.] 2. a sexually attractive, well-built man. [PJC]. |
| 20:02.02 | valdyn | SimonRaven: why dont you make the change manually? |
| 20:02.04 | shib | tarzeau: i reconfigured it again, but when i start x it's still that low resolution... |
| 20:02.07 | klync | omry: if i was you, i'd boot from cdrom, set up the lvm, move your stuff over, update fstab and your bootloader, then reboot |
| 20:02.11 | abrotman | valdyn: i think he's trying to send it to someone |
| 20:02.24 | SimonRaven | valdyn: dpatch; i'm just going to re-diff it |
| 20:02.37 | tarzeau | shib: you did it wrong. which video driver? |
| 20:02.42 | SimonRaven | no, actually i'm trying to build something |
| 20:02.45 | enveezee | so a well built sexually attractive man, is large and without definite shape? |
| 20:02.48 | klync | omry: i was just saying, but apparently SimonRaven disagrees, that you might be able to do what you want if you were to do `mount -o remout, ro /` ... but that is *so* risky it's not worth it imo |
| 20:02.55 | cahoot | SimonRaven: the difference in line# is no problem? |
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| 20:03.09 | SimonRaven | cahoot: i added those for clarity |
| 20:03.12 | shib | tarzeau: vga |
| 20:03.33 | omry | klync, you mean making it mount as read only, and than resize? (while the system can't touch it?) |
| 20:03.51 | klync | omry: isn't that what you were asking? |
| 20:03.55 | omry | klync, I bet things will blow badly :) |
| 20:03.59 | tarzeau | shib: well vga, used to have 256kb memory |
| 20:04.00 | klync | me too |
| 20:04.06 | shib | ah ok |
| 20:04.06 | tarzeau | shib: and not very high resolutions. |
| 20:04.18 | tarzeau | shib: what graphics card do you have? |
| 20:04.29 | omry | klync, I was actually thinking more in the direction of chroot. |
| 20:04.42 | shib | tarzeau: i don't really know because it's an old computer i bought from a friend |
| 20:04.52 | abrotman | lspci ? |
| 20:05.01 | abrotman | lspci | grep -i vga |
| 20:05.04 | enveezee | if it were a friend s/he would have just given you the old PC |
| 20:05.22 | abrotman | hehe |
| 20:05.22 | klync | omry: maybe i missed your original question... you want to resize the / partition on a running system that's not lvm already? |
| 20:05.26 | abrotman | enveezee: you're a dumpster diver! |
| 20:05.32 | tarzeau | shib: how old? |
| 20:05.40 | omry | klync, move to maint mode, chroot to some other partition, which should have what is needed (my backup partition would be nice for that), than resize the real root. |
| 20:05.46 | enveezee | abrotman: people dont throw pcs in dumpsteras |
| 20:05.48 | abrotman | tarzeau: two days older than jesus! |
| 20:05.51 | shib | amd 2000+, 128 mb ram |
| 20:05.55 | abrotman | holy fuck |
| 20:05.57 | tarzeau | shib: hahaha. OLD, eh? |
| 20:05.59 | tarzeau | damn you |
| 20:06.03 | shib | :p |
| 20:06.12 | tarzeau | but i'd get more memory for it |
| 20:06.14 | abrotman | shib: lspci | grep -i vga |
| 20:06.25 | shib | abrotman: ok i'll try |
| 20:06.33 | omry | klync, yes. I don't want to make / lvm, just to grab some space from it, and to make it lvm. |
| 20:06.35 | klync | omry: but even if your shell is trapped in chroot, the kernel from your real root is stil in charge of the hardware |
| 20:06.40 | tarzeau | i don't get 2000 when i add all my machines mhz together in this room |
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| 20:06.56 | abrotman | tarzeau: yes .. but they're all alphas :) |
| 20:07.04 | omry | klync, right... there is another thing.. used in the boot.. root_pivot? |
| 20:07.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: yeah :) and mips, hppa, sparc, powerpc |
| 20:07.16 | klync | omry: idunno |
| 20:07.34 | omry | pivot_root, that is. |
| 20:07.59 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 20:07.59 | dpkg | i guess qotd120 is <azeroth> i am looking for a tool to see all computers in my lan <azeroth> like winows <azeroth> do i need the ip for it? <tarzeau> azeroth: no you need a clue <azeroth> whats a clue? |
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| 20:08.29 | omry | hmm, how reliable is resize_reiserfs? anyone got grief from it? |
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| 20:09.31 | enveezee | !qotd139 |
| 20:09.35 | dpkg | [qotd139] <asg> stew: I've been beating the developers at work off for a while over ruby <abrotman> asg: you're a nice boss .. mine would never beat me off |
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| 20:09.59 | Mr-R | omry: expanding of mounted filesystems worked fine in a test environment... |
| 20:11.02 | shib | tarzeau: i configured it again and it still has the low resolution... |
| 20:11.13 | omry | Mr-R, it does ? according to the man page its to be used on an unmounted fs. |
| 20:11.32 | Mr-R | omry: only if you are shrinking a partition |
| 20:11.40 | omry | Mr-R, ah. and I am. |
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| 20:12.04 | Mr-R | omry: make a backup first. its not recommended. afaik |
| 20:12.21 | abrotman | shib: WHAT video card? |
| 20:12.30 | doubleg | riserfs is stable |
| 20:12.34 | abrotman | hahaha |
| 20:12.38 | abrotman | that's funny |
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| 20:13.04 | doubleg | never used the resize program |
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| 20:13.20 | fbi | !ricerfs |
| 20:13.20 | dpkg | ricerfs is probably the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
| 20:13.24 | veleno | hello everyone. i just got a new usb mouse. how should I reconfigure Xorg to use it ? |
| 20:13.26 | gloin | lol |
| 20:13.53 | enveezee | veleno: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 20:15.48 | doubleg | yeah woops |
| 20:15.55 | doubleg | reiserfs is correct |
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| 20:16.09 | gloin | nah |
| 20:16.14 | gloin | I've given up in disgust on ricerfs |
| 20:16.19 | doubleg | hehe |
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| 20:16.20 | doubleg | ;) |
| 20:16.28 | doubleg | its funny none the less. |
| 20:16.34 | gloin | now, of course, I'm in LVM >hell<, but that's not ext3's fault |
| 20:16.36 | jan_ | Hi, i'd like to forward localhost:12345 to 192.168.1.2:54321, should i use the -t nat -A PREROUTING and -j DNAT ? |
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| 20:16.59 | gloin | jan_: yep |
| 20:17.00 | veleno | enveezee i already did that step. in the InputDevice/Configured Mouse i see Device: "/dev/input/mice" and protocol: ImPS/2" |
| 20:17.20 | petteri | Hello! How I can recirect my subdomain with .htaccess to some directory? |
| 20:17.21 | enveezee | ok |
| 20:17.23 | jan_ | gloin: well, it's not really working ;-) |
| 20:18.01 | veleno | do I need any particular kernel module to use usb mouses ? |
| 20:18.04 | gloin | oh wait |
| 20:18.07 | abrotman | petteri: #apache |
| 20:18.10 | gloin | yeah |
| 20:18.11 | gloin | ok |
| 20:18.13 | petteri | Okay |
| 20:18.39 | jan_ | gloin: iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING -p tcp -i lo --dport 12345 -j DNAT --to 192.168.1.2:3306 |
| 20:18.44 | gloin | jan_: iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING -p tcp (or udp, whatever) --sport 12345 --dport 54321 -j DNAT --to |
| 20:18.45 | jan_ | does not work :/ |
| 20:18.48 | enveezee | veleno: hid, input, [o,u]hci, usbmouuse |
| 20:18.54 | gloin | jan_: you forgot --sport |
| 20:18.59 | gloin | since it's specific |
| 20:19.22 | jan_ | hmm |
| 20:19.29 | gloin | well, try that |
| 20:19.33 | gloin | be a sport =] |
| 20:19.45 | jan_ | isnt the destination port already defined in the --to part ? |
| 20:19.59 | gloin | oh |
| 20:20.07 | gloin | use --sport and --dport |
| 20:20.08 | abrotman | or ask #iptables ? |
| 20:20.16 | gloin | or better yet #netfilter =]] |
| 20:20.26 | veleno | enveezee is it possible my ps2 mouse actually worked withpout input module? |
| 20:20.41 | gloin | and be glad there's a channel for your problem - I can't find an #lvm channel to save my life, but really could use one |
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| 20:21.05 | fbi | 31 users in #lvm |
| 20:21.08 | gloin | ? |
| 20:21.11 | fbi | what are you smokin' |
| 20:21.24 | Tortel | weed |
| 20:22.40 | abrotman | there are 32 now! |
| 20:22.40 | gloin | hah |
| 20:22.40 | fbi | Tortel: that's *my* job. |
| 20:22.40 | gloin | lol at your whois fbi |
| 20:22.40 | fbi | !lol |
| 20:22.40 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 20:22.40 | abrotman | gloin: sadly .. your life is now at risk |
| 20:22.40 | enveezee | veleno: remotely. now in modern kernels all lower level input devices are aware of the input layer. which is to simplify higher level usage of any input device. so f.e. the psmouse driver would connect to the input layer instead of to the legacy device |
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| 20:22.41 | gloin | abrotman: eh, nothing new |
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| 20:22.53 | Sagan | What´s about /dev/sndstat?? |
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| 20:24.27 | raz0rsedge | is there infobash available for sarge? |
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| 20:24.43 | thiago12 | Hi I from Brazil |
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| 20:24.52 | thiago12 | I would like to know |
| 20:24.53 | fbi | !br |
| 20:24.53 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 20:25.10 | thiago12 | if debian have support for adaptec 2015S zero raid channel |
| 20:25.21 | Tortel | !w00t |
| 20:25.21 | dpkg | w00t!!! |
| 20:25.23 | thiago12 | on the procedure of install |
| 20:25.47 | thiago12 | Iam using debian sarge 3.1 |
| 20:26.32 | gloin | hmm |
| 20:26.33 | gloin | !ru |
| 20:26.33 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 20:26.44 | gloin | horosho =] |
| 20:27.12 | gloin | !cn |
| 20:27.12 | dpkg | cn is, like, China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 20:27.23 | gloin | very cool |
| 20:27.51 | saloxin | gloin: you can also talk to dpkg privately with /query :-) |
| 20:28.04 | gloin | saloxin: good idea |
| 20:28.05 | thiago12 | Hi I would like to know if the debian sarge support the model of adaptec 2015S Raid on the instalation |
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| 20:28.23 | tictac | thiago12: did you try google? |
| 20:28.39 | saloxin | gloin: listkeys is search for some reason |
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| 20:28.52 | linux_addict_ | this cool dpkg bot know everyth , i tried emacs, vim, windows, redhat, suse, sex, ... it works... do they put a dictionary in it ? :d |
| 20:28.58 | w3rdn4 | nmgw875sn40 |
| 20:29.05 | dondelelcaro | linux_addict_: no, it just has a few thousand factoids. |
| 20:29.08 | dondelelcaro | !status |
| 20:29.08 | dpkg | Since Thu Oct 27 21:26:36 2005, there have been 48 modifications, 1848 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 410 commands. I have been awake for 3d 23h 2m 32s this session, and currently reference 26446 factoids. I'm using about 15532 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 679.15/34.66 child 0.01/0.02 |
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| 20:29.32 | w3rdn4 | !dpkg GMT |
| 20:29.32 | dpkg | i heard gmt is only needed if your BIOS is in GMT. Edit /etc/default/rcS (slink) or Greenwich Mean Time, or known at utc. Genetically Modified Time |
| 20:30.03 | w3rdn4 | >_< GMT |
| 20:30.07 | w3rdn4 | There is a huge storm coming this way |
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| 20:30.42 | w3rdn4 | huge storm sweeping texas right now |
| 20:30.57 | tictac | thiago12: amd64? |
| 20:31.03 | w3rdn4 | looks like server storms |
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| 20:31.40 | gothtec | My old server board was complaining about KB/Interface error... I got mad after an hour or two and hit it, hard, with a rather large hammer. I'll never be able to connect a keyboard to that keyboard port again, all bent and twisted as it is, but it works completely and I can control it remotely anyway... Gothtec's servers: Repairable with a hammer. |
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| 20:32.18 | gothtec | Sometimes, admining servers is a satisfying job. |
| 20:32.29 | thiago12 | no is Xeon |
| 20:32.31 | tictac | thiago12: http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2005/09/msg00201.html |
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| 20:32.37 | p3rti | hi, someone know how to scan a range of ip to see who have the port 80 open? |
| 20:32.41 | saloxin | gothtec: ^ compaq? |
| 20:32.47 | H202 | server storms? |
| 20:32.51 | dondelelcaro | p3rti: use nmap. |
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| 20:33.03 | w3rdn4 | look at the zip of 77002 |
| 20:33.07 | saloxin | p3rti: or nast |
| 20:33.08 | H202 | p3rti: nmap -p 80 192.168.1.1-254 |
| 20:33.09 | gothtec | saloxin: yes, actually. the company bought this USED compaq server board |
| 20:33.15 | p3rti | thanks |
| 20:33.26 | saloxin | hehe, they suck coconuts |
| 20:33.45 | setnf | Hi, for touch pad notbook's mouse what need i to set into x conf file? psaux ? |
| 20:33.53 | saloxin | bios on hd, little windows partition with mouse etc |
| 20:33.56 | p3rti | thanks a lot. |
| 20:33.58 | w3rdn4 | I have heard companies like IBM and others are putting millions into R&D for carbon nanotubes.. |
| 20:33.59 | gothtec | saloxin: kind of explains it, really... but I still have to go over there and pick my jaw up from the floor... I never expected to see that thing light up again |
| 20:34.49 | setnf | Hi, for touch pad notbook's mouse what need i to set into x conf file? psaux or mice ? |
| 20:34.56 | w3rdn4 | remember when IBM wrote on a chip in super small writing? |
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| 20:35.33 | klync | setnf: look to see what exists in /dev/ , and you can tell if that's your mouse if you cat the device file and get gibberish when you move the mouse around |
| 20:35.39 | H202 | gothtec: some days ago i was at a customer, flashing bios. during that time, they also rebooted one of compaq systems. it sucked so much power during reboot that the fuse blew and part of data center lost power. |
| 20:35.46 | tictac | cat /dev/psaux |
| 20:35.52 | tictac | move the mouse, see if you get any output. |
| 20:36.15 | setnf | aight |
| 20:36.16 | gothtec | H202: heheh |
| 20:36.22 | gothtec | H202: fantastic machines |
| 20:36.36 | H202 | gothtec: fortunately i could flash bios again. |
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| 20:38.34 | setnf | thanks. |
| 20:38.50 | gloin | sheesh |
| 20:38.58 | gloin | this mkinitrd problem is harder than I thought |
| 20:39.14 | gloin | why would mkinitrd complain that there's no /etc/fstab? |
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| 20:39.42 | rik_ | Evening all. Can ext2 filesystems be grown backwards, or moved to the beginning of a grown partition please? |
| 20:39.46 | thiago12 | Hi I would like to know if the debian sarge support de adaptec 2015S raid on the install |
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| 20:40.54 | Andy837 | i've got a hard drive with NTFS partition, how can i read this from debian? |
| 20:41.36 | Tortel | !mount ntfs |
| 20:41.36 | dpkg | mounting NTFS is `mount -t ntfs -o uid=<uid>,gid=<gid>,umask=003 /dev/<ntfs partition> /<mount point>' or adding '/dev/<ntfs partition> /<mount point> ntfs uid=<uid>,gid=<gid>,defaults,umask=003 0 0' to your /etc/fstab |
| 20:42.00 | busboy | hi, anyone familiar with setup ldap for authenication? |
| 20:43.01 | EdibleText | busboy, http://www.metaconsultancy.com/whitepapers/ good debian ldap auth walkthrough |
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| 20:44.29 | e1vis | thiago12: are you in the right place? |
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| 20:45.09 | Fox_1_ | what is the ppd file? |
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| 20:46.21 | Andy837 | will that make the NTFS writable too? |
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| 20:46.39 | thingfish | no |
| 20:47.01 | Andy837 | how can i make it writable too then? |
| 20:47.09 | thingfish | there is only write support via captive-ntfs and not many recommend it. |
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| 20:47.29 | hytt | option support in kernel to compile too |
| 20:47.47 | thingfish | write support is considered risky and therefore most avoid it. |
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| 20:48.09 | hytt | you cant create file or directory |
| 20:48.15 | E-bola | How would u guys setup a site with 5x1tb firewire drives? |
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| 20:48.29 | E-bola | i need backup in case a drive dies, but im a bit scared of using raid5 with external drives |
| 20:49.37 | hytt | CONFIG_NTFS_RW=y |
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| 20:50.42 | Andy837 | could i share it and allow windows systems RW access? |
| 20:51.28 | hytt | for read yes |
| 20:51.34 | Andy837 | not write? |
| 20:51.36 | hytt | for write, not a good idea |
| 20:51.54 | Andy837 | oh |
| 20:52.01 | hytt | you can lose data or destroy your FS :p |
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| 20:52.13 | hytt | in fat32, no problem |
| 20:53.01 | Andy837 | can i convert it from ntfs to fat32 without formatting? |
| 20:53.13 | hytt | yup |
| 20:53.23 | hytt | with partition magic |
| 20:53.23 | thingfish | oh you can? |
| 20:53.37 | hytt | you can in the both way |
| 20:53.47 | hytt | ntfs<=>fat32 |
| 20:54.00 | hytt | with tools from windows, you cant |
| 20:54.11 | enyc | hmm |
| 20:54.30 | hytt | convert.exe fs, only from fat32 to ntfs |
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| 20:55.03 | klync | what's the procedure for reporting bugs? |
| 20:55.16 | dondelelcaro | klync: run reportbug; follow the prompts. |
| 20:55.21 | klync | dondelelcaro: ty |
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| 20:56.48 | [bono] | OT-Question: anyone knows what happened to undernet? Why is it down? |
| 21:00.00 | caphuso | due to how associative arrays are implemented |
| 21:00.03 | caphuso | damn |
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| 21:01.42 | cozen | Is it possible to install Debian on a USB flash drive and boot to it somehow? |
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| 21:02.05 | iiiears | pupylinux - has some ready to go images |
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| 21:02.17 | iiiears | erm puppylinux |
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| 21:02.52 | cozen | yes, okay...i came across references to puppylinux in a search |
| 21:02.57 | theD3viL | What iam doing wrong ? dpkg-source: failure: cannot read ./fglrx-installer_8.18.6-1.tar.gz: No such file or directory > i have this file in this directory ! |
| 21:03.22 | gesker | I'm getting a "not valid block device" when I try to mount /dev/i2o/hda1. the i2o drivers seemed to have loaded OK. I just upgraded to 2.6.14 however previously I was using the dpt_i2o driver which dosen't seem to work now. Could someone offer a hint? |
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| 21:04.54 | gesker | When I boot into 2.6.8 dtp_i2o works again |
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| 21:06.31 | AtApi | hi |
| 21:06.32 | hid3 | Evening everyone. I'm getting strange error in my daemon.log: shutting down due to TCP receive error: connection reset. THis is associated with named. WHat can be wrong? No configuration changes were made in the system. |
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| 21:08.31 | AtApi | hey guys i have a problem trying to install debian on a external usb hd... when the istallation start i say The debootstrap program exited with an error,is theres someone that could help me? |
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| 21:09.41 | rik_ | Hi. I have partition I just enlarged by moving the start of it. I used resize2fs with no size field (thinking it would work) I have now moved it back and done a e2fsck -b 32768 and it has found the backup superblock. It complains that the partition table or the suprblock is corrupt. My question is, when it asks my on a per-inode basis whether to relocate the fragment, is it doing it according to the patition table (good - I think) |
| 21:09.42 | rik_ | , or the resized superbock (bad - I think)? Thanks |
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| 21:10.57 | squarepants | hi |
| 21:11.05 | squarepants | how can i setup kppp in a freshly installed sarge? |
| 21:11.09 | AtApi | anyone can help me please? |
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| 21:11.13 | squarepants | it says it can't find the device ppp0 |
| 21:11.16 | enyc | no idea ;-( |
| 21:11.21 | enyc | erm |
| 21:11.54 | enyc | theres wamy possibilities i don't know-about.... |
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| 21:15.36 | AtApi | i have a question: how i can change the mirror for a businnes istallation? |
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| 21:16.13 | mamar | Hi |
| 21:16.14 | squarepants | what must i add to apt/sources.list to make updates from other than the cdrom? |
| 21:16.15 | AtApi | maybe i cant find the libs 'cause the mirror are down |
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| 21:16.35 | thingfish | squarepants: try apt-setup |
| 21:17.39 | squarepants | woa!!! |
| 21:17.39 | AtApi | im in the istallation process and no apt is istalled yet |
| 21:17.42 | squarepants | it works! |
| 21:18.05 | AtApi | hey guys i have a problem trying to install debian on a external usb hd... when the istallation start i say The debootstrap program exited with an error,is theres someone that could help me? |
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| 21:18.51 | thingfish | I would but I know nothing about external usb hard drives. |
| 21:19.08 | thingfish | or debbootstrap |
| 21:19.12 | dmesg | question for experts: is it possible to install sarge from DVD image over smb? (e.g. DVD mounted on laptop with DVD-ROM and remotely mounted to another PC) |
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| 21:19.21 | Tortel | Warp Mod for BF2! Visit www.warpmod.com for info, IRC -> #Warp |
| 21:19.58 | radical_ | AtApi: debootstrap should work on every drive, usb or not, booting however, is a different topic |
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| 21:21.15 | ratonn | How do I remove the Return-Path header from outgoing messages in Exim4? |
| 21:21.21 | AtApi | it say after debootstrap error, the following error occurred: could'nt find these debs: libsigc++-1.2-5c102 |
| 21:21.57 | radical_ | dmesg: unlikely. get a netinstall, and use your dvd to set up your own repository (ftp), then you can select that one from your mirror selection (expert install + [*] select mirror) |
| 21:22.21 | radical_ | AtApi: apt-get update ... |
| 21:22.30 | dmesg | hmm |
| 21:22.32 | marstewel | ratonn: is it really added by exim ? |
| 21:22.38 | dmesg | haven't thought of that :) |
| 21:22.52 | radical_ | dmesg: got a slow line? |
| 21:22.57 | dmesg | yeah |
| 21:23.05 | dmesg | classic dialup |
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| 21:23.13 | marstewel | ratonn: or are you looking for generally filtering headers ? |
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| 21:23.39 | dmesg | but i have these two machines connected via crossover ethernet |
| 21:23.43 | Zugschlus | radical_: you don't. it's a header inserted by the delivering MTA just prior to actual delivery. and removing that information is a stupid idea |
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| 21:23.56 | radical_ | Zugschlus: ? |
| 21:23.56 | Zugschlus | ah. ratonn instead of radical_ |
| 21:23.57 | catlee | Good afternoon |
| 21:24.07 | marstewel | hi catlee |
| 21:24.12 | radical_ | i see :p |
| 21:24.16 | marstewel | good afternoon? well depends upon timezone :) |
| 21:24.18 | catlee | has something changed in testing recently that would stop NFS locks from working |
| 21:24.20 | catlee | I know |
| 21:24.25 | Zugschlus | radical_: bad case of wrong tab-completion, sorry |
| 21:24.27 | catlee | It gives some indication as to where I am I suppose |
| 21:24.38 | radical_ | Zugschlus: yeah, know that one |
| 21:24.46 | catlee | Good morning/afternoon/evening/night |
| 21:24.51 | catlee | Good maen? |
| 21:25.03 | marstewel | Zugschlus: well why is removing Return-Path such a bad idea? |
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| 21:25.39 | AtApi | radical_ im in the installation process and after setting up the network card and the partition it start to install debian but fail on the debootstrap |
| 21:25.43 | Zugschlus | marstewel: because it is important information to have if you need to trace a message back. Why do you keep that information away _from_ _your_ _own_ _users_? |
| 21:26.10 | marstewel | trace a message back? well, there are other headers also arent there ;) |
| 21:26.18 | AtApi | i think it need to download the packege but maybe the mirror are down |
| 21:26.22 | asuffield | other headers mean different things |
| 21:26.28 | marstewel | true |
| 21:26.33 | asuffield | nothing duplicates the information in Return-Path |
| 21:26.40 | marstewel | hmm |
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| 21:26.42 | marstewel | sec |
| 21:27.12 | dmesg | radical_: so I would need netinstall CD besides my 2 DVDs ? |
| 21:27.18 | AtApi | hey guys i really need to install debian can someone help me please? |
| 21:27.56 | phar0z | installing debian is eazy |
| 21:27.59 | asuffield | specifically, Return-Path is a part of the SMTP error handling system that may not be meddled with |
| 21:28.07 | mlewis00 | What is the prefered file to edit to add a path to the system wide PATH variable? ... /etc/environment? |
| 21:28.14 | radical_ | dmesg: yes, maybe a business card release will suffice too (50mb?) |
| 21:28.17 | marstewel | mlewis00: /etc/profile |
| 21:28.20 | AtApi | yeah but im trying to install it on external usb hd |
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| 21:28.33 | JaKemp | so, i'm trying to downgrade from mysql-server-5.0 back to mysql-server-4.1 |
| 21:28.35 | mlewis00 | marstewel: Thanks! |
| 21:28.38 | radical_ | AtApi: oh |
| 21:28.44 | marstewel | asuffield: true |
| 21:28.54 | JaKemp | did a dpkg -r mysql-server-5.0, then tried to apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 |
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| 21:29.13 | AtApi | yes radical_ |
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| 21:29.17 | JaKemp | but get Aborting downgrade from (at least) 5.0 to 4.1. |
| 21:29.17 | JaKemp | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-server-4.1_4.1.14-6_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 21:29.17 | JaKemp | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:29.26 | marstewel | asuffield: hmm AFAIK some SMTP Proxy here cuts off this header though (in its default config) |
| 21:29.27 | radical_ | AtApi: i thought you had your drive mounted in a running system and are trying to bootstrap it there |
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| 21:29.36 | asuffield | marstewel: it is *broken* |
| 21:29.41 | AtApi | no |
| 21:29.48 | AtApi | in external usb hd |
| 21:29.50 | JaKemp | what's the best way to fix this problem? |
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| 21:30.14 | mlewis00 | marstewel: Will entries in this file affect the PATH in X or is this only for shells? |
| 21:30.17 | marstewel | asuffield: looks alike ... I will verify this and file a bug report |
| 21:30.23 | radical_ | AtApi: only thing i can tell you is: i hat an intel ich6 chipset and failed miserably in trying to set up a linux booting usb-drive |
| 21:30.26 | kmsh | what main advantages does etch have compared to sarge? |
| 21:30.27 | catlee | I did an upgrade last Thursday on some of my machines running etch, and suddenly ViewCVS stopped working. It was accessing my svn repo via a read-only NFS mount. The problem is now it can't acquire a lock in the repo. |
| 21:30.32 | asuffield | marstewel: the SMTP spec is quite clear on this subject. a relay must not add, modify, remove, or in any other way manipulate the Return-Path header. only the final delivery host may do that |
| 21:30.50 | catlee | So my question is: did something break, or was something fixed? :) |
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| 21:31.04 | radical_ | AtApi: i cant remember exactly why tho |
| 21:31.27 | marstewel | asuffield: then my assumption is that not only this part violates the SMTP spec |
| 21:31.47 | marstewel | thats bad... |
| 21:31.51 | marstewel | :/ |
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| 21:32.02 | mlewis00 | marstewel: I ask because the comment at the top of the file says 'for the Bourne shell (sh(1))...', etc. |
| 21:32.04 | AtApi | the probs ,i think, is that it dont find this packages cause maybe i cant connect to the mirror where to download these debs |
| 21:32.06 | asuffield | yes, fucked up relays break error handling |
| 21:32.08 | catlee | Should I be able to get a read-lock over a read-only NFS mount point? |
| 21:32.21 | asuffield | so mail either gets dropped silently, or loops |
| 21:32.36 | asuffield | or goes to the wrong place |
| 21:32.40 | radical_ | AtApi: why not take the ones from the cd, you just need a working base system |
| 21:32.52 | marstewel | hmm |
| 21:32.54 | asuffield | catlee: svn requires a *write* lock in order to read |
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| 21:33.12 | olive^ | hello |
| 21:33.21 | marstewel | asuffield: RFC821 ? |
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| 21:33.39 | asuffield | marstewel: obsoleted by 2821 |
| 21:33.44 | marstewel | uups :) |
| 21:34.06 | marstewel | ah thats not from 1982 :D |
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| 21:34.37 | AtApi | i have the cd one and it see the hd-usb it start to install let me choose the netcard the partition table and whene it start to copy base system file it fail! |
| 21:34.40 | marstewel | "This use of return-path is required; mail systems MUST support it." |
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| 21:35.39 | marstewel | thnx for outlining this asuffield |
| 21:35.45 | dmesg | radical_: I suppose I know that, but I will ask nevertheless: Would in my situation work also woody's CD 1 ? |
| 21:35.47 | AtApi | the system see the usb-hd infact it let me create the partitions on the hd |
| 21:35.56 | radical_ | dmesg: definitly |
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| 21:36.04 | dmesg | ok |
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| 21:37.16 | Kovecses | how come i cant use icons from my home folder in gnome????? |
| 21:37.28 | Kovecses | i just did a etch net install |
| 21:38.58 | enyc | i don't know what you mean by ''icons from my home folder'' exactly |
| 21:40.00 | Kovecses | enyc, like say i download an icon and put it in my home folder......gnome will not let me use it it is just greyed out...but if i move it to /usr/share/pixmaps it is fine..... i have never had this problem with debian or gnome |
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| 21:41.09 | Kovecses | enyc, i am trying to make a desktop link |
| 21:42.00 | marstewel | asuffield: verified; default smtp proxy config of that product removes Return-Path header ... bug report filed. |
| 21:42.02 | enyc | hmm |
| 21:42.13 | enyc | what do you mean by 'an icon' ?? |
| 21:42.38 | Kovecses | enyc, an icon ... like a small .png image |
| 21:42.45 | enyc | aah a png |
| 21:42.50 | enyc | not xpm? |
| 21:42.56 | Kovecses | cant do it with either |
| 21:43.11 | enyc | hmmmm unsure then |
| 21:43.17 | liran_ | anyone ever put up a vpn server? im looking for an easy installation process |
| 21:43.29 | enyc | svg images available now too! |
| 21:43.57 | kurator | pptpd? |
| 21:44.09 | Kovecses | enyc, hrmmm .... i mean i could just put the icons in /usr/share/pixmaps but thats kindove a pain in the ass |
| 21:45.51 | liran_ | kurator, i was starting to read up about it but it requires a few kernels patches and such. im wondering if there are vpn daemons that can work 'out-of-the-box' |
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| 21:46.35 | kurator | what kernel patches? you just compile ppp in, apt-get install pptpd and thats it |
| 21:46.57 | kurator | maybe a little configuration about ip addresses |
| 21:47.41 | kurator | only kernel patches needed are for the mppe and it's an easy to apply patch |
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| 21:49.31 | liran_ | kurator, right. so i need to download the source and then re-compile about the patch |
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| 21:50.18 | kurator | the patch is needed only if you want to use the encryption. otherwise debian kernel should work, just install pptpd |
| 21:51.03 | liran_ | i see |
| 21:51.23 | liran_ | i was probably reading bad tutorials. do you have any links anywhere for papers i can read? |
| 21:51.59 | kurator | not really. i got few servers going and i happily forgot about it:) |
| 21:52.15 | liran_ | hehe cool |
| 21:52.49 | kurator | http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/#tryit |
| 21:53.01 | Kovecses | this is pissing me off |
| 21:53.10 | liran_ | ok well, since you're experienced, just tell me if i can have the following setup- for a vpn solution: ldap for holding the users' db info and radius for authentication. so it's basically a VPN+LDAP+RADIUS setup. does this make any sense? |
| 21:53.28 | kurator | with pptpd? probably not |
| 21:53.39 | kurator | i'm not exactly experienced. i just had to do it |
| 21:53.43 | liran_ | how far can i go with pptpd? |
| 21:53.54 | kurator | very near i'm affraid |
| 21:54.08 | liran_ | i see. |
| 21:54.23 | Kerr | owch ~.~ |
| 21:54.25 | liran_ | though that scenario is pretty much sensable? |
| 21:54.39 | Kerr | i just did sud cat /var/log/* | grep dvd |
| 21:54.44 | kurator | pptp just sort of creates a link for ppp, so you can do only what you can do with ppp |
| 21:54.52 | Kerr | somehow ended up in aptitude. ~.~ wtf? |
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| 21:55.12 | Kerr | sudo^^ |
| 21:56.43 | bbrazil | Kerr: you probably hit control chars in the *.gz |
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| 21:58.52 | Kovecses | how come i cant use icons from my home folder in gnome????? |
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| 21:59.13 | sha1sum | goodnight all :) have a happy halloween |
| 21:59.15 | sha1sum | BOO! |
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| 21:59.56 | rohal | can i recover deleted fat32 files from linux?? |
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| 22:01.20 | resiak | Kovecses: Did you know, if you add lots of "?"s to your message, it makes it more likely to be answered? |
| 22:01.25 | resiak | Kovecses: Why don't you file a bug? |
| 22:01.49 | dli | ntpd or ntpdate still randomly adjust seconds+ |
| 22:01.59 | ichbin | is tehre anyway to set the user permission in the sites-available virtual server config? |
| 22:02.06 | rohal | can i recover deleted fat32 files from linux?? |
| 22:02.12 | Kovecses | resiak, well becuase i think it is just an issue of me not having a package installed |
| 22:02.15 | resiak | !tell rohal -about repeat |
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| 22:02.27 | resiak | Kovecses: Why do you think that? |
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| 22:02.34 | dli | while both the ntp-server and client are on the same 100 Mbps LAN, seems to be a client side problem |
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| 22:02.59 | clojster | which package can mount/convert IMG images to ISO? |
| 22:03.35 | Kovecses | resiak, well because this is my second net install..... the first i chose standard desktop installation...the second i installed packages by hand.....and now i have no access to the icons |
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| 22:03.50 | Kovecses | resiak, i know testing changes alot |
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| 22:03.53 | resiak | Kovecses: Diff the package lists, see what's missing. |
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| 22:06.36 | cesspit | i downloaded sarge dvd - iso-s but nero does not want to burn them. it says "entered block size does not corespond to image size". tried to ignore, but checksum for some package is bad in that way when installng. Do i do something wrong? |
| 22:06.39 | jla | Are there any packages for indexing backups like multiple CD-ROMs. Something that identifies possible duplicates would be nice. |
| 22:06.43 | marstewel | clojster: ISO can be mounted with mount... |
| 22:07.11 | MASoft | what's the pipeline name of Jack ? I want to write it in GStreamer. |
| 22:07.16 | kingmike | Hi ! is there a chkconfig equivalent on debian ? I mean, something that allows to set what services you want to start at boot. |
| 22:07.21 | marstewel | clojster: mount -o loop file.iso /mnt/cdrom |
| 22:07.40 | marstewel | kingmike: update-rc.d ? |
| 22:08.08 | kingmike | marstewel : what do I have to do if I want to start, say, apache2 at boot ? |
| 22:08.27 | marstewel | update-rc.d |
| 22:08.31 | jla | kingmike: use update-rc.d to start apache at runlevel 2 |
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| 22:08.31 | clojster | marstewel: thank you, but my question was: how to mount IMG image or how to convert IMG to ISO |
| 22:08.42 | thiago12 | Hi I would like to know |
| 22:08.45 | kingmike | marstewel,jla : thanks |
| 22:08.53 | marstewel | hmm |
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| 22:09.01 | thiago12 | if the the debian sarge support adaptec 2015S on the instalation |
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| 22:09.10 | Kovecses | still no k3b in testing |
| 22:09.17 | iiiears | kingmike Boot Up Manager "BUM" ? |
| 22:09.23 | MASoft | clojster, how do you make the IMG file ? |
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| 22:09.44 | kingmike | thiago : normally it is not a matter of distribution but of kernel |
| 22:09.52 | clojster | MASoft: i have that from windows machine... created with CloneCD |
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| 22:10.04 | p3rti | hi |
| 22:10.06 | jla | clojster: .img, .iso should be the same thing. If md5sums fail, I'd guess something went wrong in the download. Unless you need offline access, the netinst cd is a quick way to get debian installed. |
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| 22:10.14 | clojster | I know that isodump should be able to mount those images, but dunno how |
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| 22:10.31 | MASoft | clojster, I think CloneCD can convert it to .ISO ! I didn't see anything in linux for this relation |
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| 22:10.32 | kingmike | thiago : any distribution that allows for a kernel that supports your hardware can be used with this hardware |
| 22:10.33 | veleno | hello evreyone. where do I configure the CONFIG_USB_MOUSE kernel option ? now it's not set for some reason... |
| 22:10.37 | p3rti | debian have 3d support for the UniChrome S3 Integrated Via Video Card? |
| 22:11.06 | clojster | MASoft: well... i dont have access to that machine anymore |
| 22:11.08 | iiiears | MagicISO is the win = |
| 22:11.30 | MASoft | clojster, haven't Windows in your computer ? |
| 22:11.40 | Tortel | !windows |
| 22:11.40 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 22:11.47 | clojster | MASoft: nope :) |
| 22:11.47 | marstewel | heh |
| 22:11.57 | clojster | lol |
| 22:11.59 | jla | veleno It looks like the USB HID Boot section, look at /boot/config-<a currently installed kernel version> |
| 22:12.05 | p3rti | debian have 3d support for the UniChrome S3 Integrated Via Video Card? or this is of xorg? |
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| 22:12.28 | MASoft | !microsoft |
| 22:12.28 | dpkg | it has been said that microsoft is the soft conglomerate of stature that provides the food to billions of apathetic morons who want to sit on the asses of thier undoing so their minds can melt into the pixelized universe that is The Daily Show |
| 22:12.34 | enyc | p3rti: combination of things actually |
| 22:13.00 | p3rti | ok |
| 22:13.00 | enyc | p3rti: depands what you mean by 'support' ttoo |
| 22:13.14 | p3rti | but now i have a question... this card have direct rendering? |
| 22:13.18 | p3rti | or sometime like that.. |
| 22:13.31 | veleno | jla i can't find it inside menuconfig |
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| 22:13.36 | enyc | p3rti: X server usually uses relatively-derect hw access... |
| 22:13.46 | p3rti | because i want to play and i can play but actually the games runs more slowly and belive more! than windows |
| 22:14.07 | enyc | p3rti: usually depends on the informationa (not) provided by the hw manafacturer..... |
| 22:14.11 | p3rti | direct rendering: No |
| 22:14.19 | jla | veleno: It should be under USB support, HID, HID Boot Protocol drivers or there abouts |
| 22:14.35 | jla | veleno: you can exit menuconfig and look in .config for it |
| 22:14.58 | p3rti | mm.. |
| 22:14.59 | enyc | p3rti: or neccessity to install a secret non-portable driver from the hw mfr |
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| 22:15.29 | p3rti | ok.. so maybe can i put the direct rendering. |
| 22:15.33 | gothtec | has this channel ever been attacked by a botnet of hundreds of hosts, all joining and saying "foo is a better distro than bar"? |
| 22:15.33 | Kovecses | it seems to me that testing is less stable right now than sid |
| 22:15.54 | pipeline | Sid has less stuff happening to it. |
| 22:15.56 | osh | I get this annoying error from evms. Does anyone know what to do about it? http://pastebin.com/412657 |
| 22:16.05 | Kovecses | pipeline, why is that? |
| 22:16.13 | Kovecses | pipeline, i would think the oppisite |
| 22:16.37 | pipeline | Kovecses: Stuff happens to sid /all the time/ |
| 22:16.38 | ichbin | is there anyway to set the user permission of a virtual server in the sites-available virtual server scripts? |
| 22:16.45 | gothtec | It just suddenly hit me that I've never seen anyone do that... |
| 22:16.47 | pipeline | Kovecses: Testing, in contrast, had almost nothing happen to it for a year |
| 22:16.53 | pipeline | Kovecses: While people prepared for the Sarge release |
| 22:17.00 | pipeline | Kovecses: So now Etch is integrating tons and tons and tons of stuff |
| 22:17.00 | osh | It appears that kernel and partition records don't agree on the number of heads on the drive... |
| 22:17.09 | JohnGH | Am I right in thinking that when you do an install it asks if you want sshd to run as a daemon? or does it not? |
| 22:17.21 | Kovecses | pipeline, ahh..... so should i not be using testing right now? |
| 22:17.29 | JohnGH | as opposed to running from inetd... |
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| 22:18.29 | kuroaisu | JohnGH: I don't think so, I could be wrong. I think it asks for samba.. but not ssh |
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| 22:18.43 | JohnGH | kuroaisu: aha... thanks - that rings a bell :o) |
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| 22:19.15 | gloin | !ricerfs |
| 22:19.15 | dpkg | it has been said that ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
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| 22:19.31 | dli | !xfs |
| 22:19.31 | dpkg | hmm... xfs is the filesystem developed by SGI for high-performance journalling and large disk support. see http://linux-xfs.sgi.com/projects/xfs/ or http://www.lwfug.org/debian/ for xfs deb tools and deb kernels, or far better and more mature than reiserfs, but not as mature (in linux) as ext3. check out http://people.debian.org/~blade/XFS-Install/ if you want to install woody with XFS support, or more ISOs are at ... |
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| 22:19.47 | hytt | !unionfs |
| 22:19.53 | hytt | o_o |
| 22:19.56 | dli | !jfs |
| 22:19.56 | dpkg | jfs is, like, Journaled File System from IBM, licensed under the GPL. Check http://oss.software.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/jfs/ It improved a lot performance-wise since 2003! Give it an other try... Maybe worth it! |
| 22:20.14 | roo9 | how can i find out what name server controls the rdns for an IP? |
| 22:20.19 | dli | I don't like ext3 |
| 22:20.37 | hytt | and new kernel dont like reiserfs 4 |
| 22:20.40 | hytt | :p |
| 22:20.44 | JohnGH | On the weekend, one of my remote servers ran out of memory due to a forkbomb... I want to either configure sshd so the vm reaper doesn't take it out, or so that it can be started again automatically - any suggestions anyone? |
| 22:22.39 | asuffield | dli: time you learned to like it then |
| 22:22.39 | dli | I'm on reiserfs for over one year, still hasn't exploded |
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| 22:22.40 | dli | asuffield, I learned to hate it |
| 22:22.40 | asuffield | don't worry, reiser will explode for you sooner or later |
| 22:22.41 | asuffield | always does |
| 22:22.41 | JohnGH | i.e. sshd got killed, other things were still working when the box came back. |
| 22:22.42 | dli | asuffield, if it can last longer than the life time of my hdd, why do I worry? |
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| 22:22.44 | asuffield | because that means it'll die on your second drive |
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| 22:22.58 | dli | asuffield, up to now. I have no reiserfs explosion, but only hard drives died peacefully |
| 22:23.27 | asuffield | <shrug> it'll happen eventually |
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| 22:23.40 | dli | asuffield, consider, for a laptop, you boots up quite often, then, you hate the 27 times mounted, fscking |
| 22:23.43 | asuffield | reiser doesn't like to explode too soon, it has to accumulate enough important data first |
| 22:24.01 | bob2 | tarzeau: ah, ok |
| 22:24.05 | asuffield | then why did you set it to fsck after every 27 mounts? |
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| 22:24.18 | asuffield | this is a configurable parameter on every sane filesystem, it's your own silly fault if you set it to a value you didn't like |
| 22:24.24 | dli | asuffield, if the chance is less than airplanes exploded in air, why do we worry? always BACKUP |
| 22:24.24 | Guerin | why do you boot your laptop all the time? |
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| 22:24.35 | Guerin | don't you have a suspend or hibernate function? |
| 22:24.41 | bbrazil | JohnGH: set ulimits so users can't forkbomb you |
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| 22:25.10 | Absorto | Help! my apt is broken! |
| 22:25.24 | dondelelcaro | !bat |
| 22:25.24 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete ouptut of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run; the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste or #flood to provide us with this information. |
| 22:25.26 | dli | Absorto: how? |
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| 22:25.52 | thiago12 | <thiago12> the debian sarge use ther kernel 2.6.8-2 in the installation |
| 22:25.52 | thiago12 | <thiago12> and I dont know if this kernel used in the sarge cd |
| 22:25.52 | thiago12 | <thiago12> support the adaptec 2015S |
| 22:25.52 | thiago12 | <thiago12> because Iam from Brazil |
| 22:25.52 | thiago12 | <thiago12> and I have to install one server in USA |
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| 22:26.32 | nyingen | Absorto: uh-oh. |
| 22:26.53 | Absorto | dli, should I post to #flood the output of apt-get? |
| 22:27.32 | dli | Absorto, yes, hope not something serious |
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| 22:28.00 | Guerin | there is no hope |
| 22:28.07 | Guerin | there is only how it is |
| 22:28.08 | GNUdist | Always hope |
| 22:28.19 | GNUdist | Always change! |
| 22:28.40 | GNUdist | Change is a constant! |
| 22:29.01 | Absorto | I am full of hope. |
| 22:29.01 | veleno | how is it possible i can't see CONFIG_USB_MOUSE in my .config file? |
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| 22:29.39 | GNUdist | ??? did ja invoke uhci usb? |
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| 22:30.30 | veleno | GNUdist you mean if i loaded hci_usb kernel module? yes i did |
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| 22:30.57 | Guerin | veleno: hci_usb is not a module |
| 22:31.01 | squarepants | what is the difference between fstab and mtab? |
| 22:31.02 | GNUdist | OK. and, let's see, are ANY USB peripherals working? |
| 22:31.14 | Guerin | squarepants: read their respective manpages |
| 22:31.29 | veleno | GNUdist as far as I can see...none of them, i'm trying to get my mouse working ... |
| 22:31.39 | hytt | uhci-hcd is one |
| 22:31.43 | kingmike | how to know what runlevel I am running ? |
| 22:31.53 | hytt | ehci-hcd too |
| 22:32.04 | Guerin | kingmike: runlevel |
| 22:32.05 | JohnGH | bbrazil: hmm yup, thanks |
| 22:32.19 | GNUdist | yes, hytt, ehci is the other USB protocol, that should run. |
| 22:32.45 | kingmike | GNUdist : fstab lets you set the devices you want to mount, mtab shows you what devices are currently mounted |
| 22:32.56 | GNUdist | The USB port you are using, is it on the front of the case? |
| 22:33.15 | squarepants | guerin mtab doesnt have a manpage |
| 22:33.18 | kingmike | squarepants : fstab lets you set the devices you want to mount, mtab shows you what devices are currently mounted |
| 22:33.20 | veleno | hytt i can't load uhci_hcd (FATAL: uhci_hcd not found) |
| 22:33.33 | squarepants | ah.. thanks |
| 22:33.35 | veleno | GNUdist it's in the back of the case, just below the ps2 port |
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| 22:34.05 | Guerin | squarepants: man mount |
| 22:34.11 | GNUdist | Yes, kingmike, but, the question was from squarepants. |
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| 22:34.31 | kingmike | GNUdist : I figured that out too late, sorry |
| 22:34.33 | hytt | lsmod |grep uh |
| 22:34.34 | hytt | uhci_hcd 33296 0 |
| 22:34.34 | hytt | usbcore 124800 5 usb_storage,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd,ohci_hcd |
| 22:34.40 | veleno | but i know my mobo has ehci_hcd |
| 22:34.55 | GNUdist | Has any OTHER USB deevices ever worked in that port, velena? |
| 22:35.31 | veleno | GNUdist yes: some kernel ago, an usb scanner, an usb webcam |
| 22:35.58 | GNUdist | OK, veleno, then type lsmod | grep eh |
| 22:36.25 | Guerin | ehci isn't needed for a mouse |
| 22:36.34 | GNUdist | Just checking on the hardware is a start. now do the lsmod | grep eh |
| 22:36.39 | Guerin | get it working wiith [uo]hci, worry about ehci later |
| 22:36.41 | veleno | GNUdist ehci_hdc 45896 0 |
| 22:36.56 | kingmike | veleno : what device are you trying to use ? |
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| 22:37.08 | veleno | kingmike an usb mouse (logitech) |
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| 22:37.33 | GNUdist | All my Logitech work great, just plugging them in! |
| 22:37.34 | veleno | kingmike configured as /dev/input/mice in xorg... |
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| 22:37.48 | hytt | ehci is for usb 2.0 |
| 22:38.53 | veleno | hytt so, what should I check ? |
| 22:39.02 | Guerin | lsusb and dmesg |
| 22:39.09 | kingmike | veleno : have you modprobed the usbhid module ? |
| 22:39.14 | Guerin | will tell you what's plugged in |
| 22:39.24 | iiiears | ubotu keybind is Restart DHCP on Wake or swap Del with <--[ just one of many uses for this app. http://xpybind.sourceforge.net/ |
| 22:39.37 | Guerin | iiiears: wrong channel |
| 22:39.41 | veleno | Guerin it's mod-probed. |
| 22:39.54 | Guerin | veleno: i didn't tell you to load any modules |
| 22:39.56 | iiiears | Opps - Thanks |
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| 22:40.29 | veleno | Guerin i thought your question was to point me in that direction |
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| 22:41.42 | kingmike | veleno do you have a stack kernel or did you compile it ? |
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| 22:42.10 | rapsys | hy |
| 22:42.23 | puff | Anybody familiar with configuring squid? |
| 22:42.28 | rapsys | I am looking for a pci card with a free open source driver |
| 22:42.38 | veleno | kingmike i compiled..but now i figured it (maybe) where the problem comes from... |
| 22:42.47 | abrotman | duh . what kind of PCI card ? |
| 22:42.56 | rapsys | someone have model that works without firmware loading and similar shit |
| 22:42.59 | asuffield | I have a nice PCI token ring card here |
| 22:43.04 | rapsys | I speak about wifi card |
| 22:43.16 | hytt | veleno> you looking for a usb mouse? |
| 22:43.17 | rapsys | for ethernet : 3com, nothing better |
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| 22:43.29 | asuffield | actually, the intel e1000 is better :P |
| 22:43.31 | dli | rapsys, intel ? |
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| 22:43.42 | asuffield | 3com cards are fairly random. some are good, some are utter shit |
| 22:43.43 | veleno | hytt so: i loaded the ohci_hcd module, and now lsusb shows my mouse there. |
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| 22:43.52 | asuffield | but there isn't a worthwhile 3com gigabit card |
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| 22:44.11 | hytt | veleno> modprobe usbmouse |
| 22:44.48 | veleno | hytt FATAL: module usbmouse not found |
| 22:44.48 | rapsys | I am searching wifi card, just want to plug it with a recent kernel and not have to deal with ndiswrapper or proprietary frimware |
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| 22:45.31 | hytt | you didnt choice it in your kernel config , its odd |
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| 22:45.44 | iiiears | nsame question here rapsys. |
| 22:46.00 | rapsys | I heard there is ralink that works fine directly |
| 22:46.09 | abrotman | rapsys: you could ask #wireless |
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| 22:46.18 | rapsys | but i didn't find such chipset on card desk |
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| 22:46.28 | iiiears | thx abrotman |
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| 22:46.43 | Chenu | a |
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| 22:46.58 | veleno | trying to reboot with a new kernel image compiled. |
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| 22:47.46 | Gigs | So I hear natoma got a new ISP |
| 22:48.26 | Gigs | oops wrong channel :) |
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| 22:51.46 | lewis | where in the kernel menu (i.e. make menuconfig), is there the option for setting HZ? |
| 22:52.19 | hytt | hz? |
| 22:52.34 | lewis | the frequency setting, can't remember the exact name... |
| 22:52.49 | lewis | the one which is 100 by default in 2.4 kernels, and 1000 by default in 2.6 kernels |
| 22:53.08 | catlee | Was there ever a menuconfig option for it? I thought it was just #defined? |
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| 22:54.41 | lewis | hmm |
| 22:54.50 | rapsys | isn't it that ? : /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq |
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| 22:55.47 | JohnGH | lewis: do you mean clock speed? |
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| 22:55.52 | dli | rapsys, any 2.4 options might make ntp client unstable? |
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| 22:56.14 | lewis | CONFIG_HZ=1000 |
| 22:56.24 | lewis | I found that in another .config of mine, under 'General Setup' |
| 22:56.52 | dli | lewis, it's for 2.6 :( |
| 22:57.09 | lewis | you can set it manually for 2.4 kernels I believe. |
| 22:57.12 | hytt | grep -i hz /boot/config-2.6.14 |
| 22:57.12 | hytt | # CONFIG_HZ_100 is not set |
| 22:57.12 | hytt | CONFIG_HZ_250=y |
| 22:57.12 | hytt | # CONFIG_HZ_1000 is not set |
| 22:57.12 | hytt | CONFIG_HZ=250 |
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| 22:57.35 | catlee | Guess I'm wrong :) |
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| 22:58.46 | Netsnipe | hey everyone |
| 22:58.48 | dli | lewis, something makes my ntp clients randomly drifts second+, but only for smp machines, and not for all smp |
| 22:58.51 | Netsnipe | I've just installed libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 22:58.53 | freebox | exist something like pykota? |
| 22:59.07 | lewis | dli: sorry - can't help there |
| 22:59.08 | Netsnipe | but still getting prompted by browser to open/download PHP files |
| 22:59.15 | Netsnipe | am I forgetting to do anything else? |
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| 23:00.12 | iiiears | mime magic settings in apache conf? |
| 23:00.33 | Netsnipe | gah. |
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| 23:00.38 | Netsnipe | forgot AddType |
| 23:00.48 | p3rti | hi |
| 23:01.07 | Netsnipe | hmm...that didn't do it |
| 23:01.21 | p3rti | when i'm apt-get update |
| 23:01.27 | p3rti | i get the following error |
| 23:01.28 | p3rti | 99% [3 Packages gzip 0] |
| 23:01.28 | p3rti | gzip: stdin: not in gzip format |
| 23:01.34 | bolrod | Netsnipe: add no |
| 23:01.36 | bolrod | mod |
| 23:01.37 | p3rti | Err http://mirrors.kernel.org testing/main Packages |
| 23:01.37 | bolrod | ? |
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| 23:02.16 | p3rti | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:02.26 | p3rti | Imposible obtener http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/testing/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz El subproceso gzip devolvió un código de error (1) |
| 23:02.37 | Netsnipe | bolrod: don't you only use mod for php4-cgi? |
| 23:03.01 | bolrod | dont know :) |
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| 23:03.05 | bolrod | I'm not using anything right now |
| 23:03.05 | bolrod | :p |
| 23:03.11 | EdgEy | this seems like a stupid question to me.. |
| 23:03.19 | bolrod | and it automatically configured |
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| 23:03.23 | dmesg | anyone knows how to get rid of gnome ? |
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| 23:03.45 | bolrod | but if its not in your mods-enabled.. I reckon its not going to do much |
| 23:03.45 | bolrod | :) |
| 23:03.55 | gravity | dmesg: If you used aptitude to install the metapackage, you can just remove the metapackage with aptitude again and it'll remove all the extra components |
| 23:04.00 | EdgEy | if i'm upgrading my mobo, cpu, graphics card at once (upgrading from athlon XP to 64) should i reinstall debian? |
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| 23:04.28 | BeBrA | hello! |
| 23:04.42 | EdgEy | if i'm staying on 32-bit of course, obviously i'd reinstall if i was going to the x64 version |
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| 23:04.58 | BeBrA | I've a problem... I did a make install of uClibc on my box, but now I want to remove libs (I don't need...) |
| 23:04.58 | pipeline | EdgEy: Nah, you'll be fine. |
| 23:04.59 | BeBrA | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.06 | BeBrA | how can I fix this? |
| 23:05.08 | EdgEy | pipeline, seriously? |
| 23:05.13 | pipeline | EdgEy: Yeah. |
| 23:05.14 | azeem | BeBrA: eh |
| 23:05.16 | EdgEy | sweet |
| 23:05.23 | pipeline | EdgEy: The most that you would have to do |
| 23:05.27 | pipeline | EdgEy: Is boot from a different device. |
| 23:05.28 | azeem | BeBrA: uclibc and glibc are not binary compatible, AFAIK |
| 23:05.37 | pipeline | EdgEy: The new motherboard might give the hard drive a different number. |
| 23:05.43 | pipeline | EdgEy: If you're using lilo, you should indeed probably reinstall |
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| 23:05.48 | azeem | BeBrA: so in order to remove glibc, you'd need to recompile your whole system with uclibc first |
| 23:05.49 | EdgEy | grub |
| 23:06.02 | EdgEy | i could always fix grub if it can't find debian anyway. i'd HAVE to |
| 23:06.06 | pipeline | EdgEy: Then you're fine. If it doesn't boot right, go into the grub shell and figure out where the hard drive is :P |
| 23:06.08 | dondelelcaro | catlee: please turn whatever that is off. |
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| 23:06.13 | EdgEy | since i'll have to reinstall windows, i'd have to reinstall grub |
| 23:06.21 | EdgEy | windows likes to fuck with your mbr :) |
| 23:06.42 | pipeline | EdgEy: technically it's possible to move windows nt to a new motherboard without reinstalling (as long as you don't need a new HAL) |
| 23:06.47 | dmesg | gravity: i'm afraid that this isn't the case ;\ |
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| 23:06.52 | pipeline | EdgEy: It's just a real PITA. Let me dig up a HOWTO, hang on |
| 23:06.56 | lewis | anyone know what the commands is to view your box's current processor tickrate? |
| 23:07.00 | gravity | dmesg: You'll have to just remove the packages one at a time then |
| 23:07.06 | EdgEy | pipeline, i recently reinstalled winxp recently anyway |
| 23:07.09 | zvn | how can I burn DVD-Rs in sarge? |
| 23:07.13 | EdgEy | and it's a pretty bare install |
| 23:07.16 | EdgEy | so it's no trouble |
| 23:07.37 | Maulkin | zvn: cdrecord ? |
| 23:07.59 | zvn | Maulkin, have you tried it? doesn't have the DVD patch |
| 23:08.07 | zvn | i.e. doesn't work |
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| 23:08.25 | dmesg | gravity: i wonder whether is there any GNOME specific lib package that other GNOME stuff depends on |
| 23:08.35 | gravity | dmesg: libgnome? |
| 23:08.45 | Maulkin | zvn: Hmm... not sure then. This under X? |
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| 23:08.54 | Maulkin | +is] |
| 23:09.08 | Netsnipe | stupid browser cache was acting up |
| 23:09.14 | zvn | nope, console |
| 23:09.39 | pipeline | EdgEy: http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=50009562&f=77909774&m=1400925745 |
| 23:09.54 | zvn | and it's better to remain silent if you don't know something ;) |
| 23:10.08 | zvn | o sita tacuisses, philosophus manisses |
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| 23:10.38 | p3rti | hi apt-get |
| 23:10.43 | Maulkin | zvn: dvd+rw-tools may be able to help |
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| 23:10.47 | zvn | s/sita/si |
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| 23:11.03 | zvn | does it support DVD-R? |
| 23:11.11 | squarepants | can you remind me the command that sets up the locale? setenv? setlocale? |
| 23:11.17 | Maulkin | zvn: Yup |
| 23:11.34 | litage | something keeps creating ~/sgzcache/sdm/ and binary files in there, such as "2cce5985b2c4c4ace4b758dbb6f2d760.sgz". what might it be? |
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| 23:13.04 | Maulkin | litage: squeakmap uses a .sgz cache |
| 23:14.05 | Tortel | i can burn a cd that works in a cd player with k3b, right? |
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| 23:14.41 | nowk43kjd | can someone help me in trying to find out how to randomly display a line of text |
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| 23:15.38 | hytt | Tortel> your cd player is linux compatible? (joke) |
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| 23:15.45 | hytt | :p |
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| 23:16.28 | hytt | cyaa |
| 23:18.07 | lewis | anyone know the command to view your systems tickrate/hz setting? |
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| 23:20.49 | zvn | Maulkin, dvd+rw-tools do not use DAO mode |
| 23:20.57 | zvn | which is the most compatible |
| 23:21.06 | zvn | so, I won't use them |
| 23:21.25 | neild | Hi I am interested in leaning Java. I have the book "Java 2 Black Book" by Steven Holzner, can anyone give me some pointers on how to install Java etc. |
| 23:21.31 | zvn | how can I burn a DVD-R in DAO mode in sarge? |
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| 23:22.24 | Tortel | !tell neild about java |
| 23:22.27 | zvn | neild: apt-cache show java-package |
| 23:22.33 | Tortel | :) |
| 23:23.24 | zvn | Tortel, let's be pragmatic ;) |
| 23:23.53 | Tortel | huh? |
| 23:24.07 | zvn | !java |
| 23:24.07 | dpkg | [java] Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 23:24.07 | Kerr | ugh. |
| 23:24.22 | zvn | --> Consider using free-java-sdk <-- |
| 23:24.36 | litage | Maulkin: i can pretty much guarantee that i'm not squeaking =P |
| 23:24.36 | Kerr | !blackdown |
| 23:24.37 | dpkg | blackdown kicks ass; they're java people for linux -- http://www.blackdown.org, or a group of Sun Java products ported to Linux by the Blackdown development team. Get it at http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux/mirrors.html, or most mirrors have aptable sections, or a group of folks who signed NDA's with Sun and got the JDK source code. they ported it to linux and put it up on blackdown.org, or shit, use java-package |
| 23:24.43 | Guerin | zvn: i'd say just consider not using java |
| 23:25.01 | buu | Hrm. I'm trying to do an apt-get upgrade, it's upgrading mysql-server and when it gets to that point it says 'Stopping Mysql Database server: mysqld.' and then just hangs. Now /etc/init.d/mysql stop; works fine. It says it's stopping the server. There are no proccesses with 'mysql' in the name running. Anyone have any idea why it would hang here? |
| 23:25.04 | Guerin | how old is that factoid? haven't blackdown's java ports stagnated? |
| 23:25.17 | zvn | Guerin, yeah, well and use C# for enterprise applications? |
| 23:25.30 | Guerin | zvn: wtf is an 'enterprise application' |
| 23:25.30 | Guerin | ? |
| 23:25.41 | Tortel | buu: my first guess is that you should remove mysql, then install it again |
| 23:25.44 | Kerr | Guerin: i use java for limewire and... wow, i guess nothing else :) |
| 23:25.52 | Tortel | buu: but DONT purge then |
| 23:25.53 | Tortel | :P |
| 23:25.54 | pipeline | Guerin: An application that consists primarily of buzzwords and remote procedure calls. |
| 23:25.55 | Guerin | Kerr: why? limewire is shit. |
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| 23:25.57 | zvn | Guerin, heard of JBoss, J2EE? |
| 23:26.04 | buu | Tortel: I'm trying that, but it does the exact same thing |
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| 23:26.20 | Kerr | Guerin: on the off chance i can't find a torrent for something, or get it with emule. |
| 23:26.20 | Guerin | zvn: those arent't 'enterprise applications' |
| 23:26.25 | zvn | no |
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| 23:26.37 | pipeline | zvn: Mark my words, ASP.NET + the .NET SOAP/WSDL-in-a-box shit are going to make some inroads against J2EE. |
| 23:26.43 | zvn | those are frameworks for enterprise applications |
| 23:26.46 | Tortel | buu: no idea then |
| 23:26.46 | Tortel | :P |
| 23:26.53 | Guerin | zvn: if you stop talking buzzwordese and start speaking english we might get someplace |
| 23:26.53 | pipeline | zvn: I'm not saying it's a J2EE killer or anything, but J2EE isn't going to be the only game in town any more. |
| 23:27.14 | zvn | this is a Debian channel |
| 23:27.23 | zvn | why should I preach java here |
| 23:27.23 | pipeline | zvn: Besides, you can run your legacy J2EE apps on IKVM on your .NET runtime :) |
| 23:27.30 | Kerr | my comp freaks out after i've burnt a dvd with k3b. errors everywhere, eventually dies. Also, it's flooding stuff about ignoring bad line 1 starting with blacklist. something about libsane and modprobe, at bootup. Ayone know what is going on? I just switched my dvdrw drive away from the hdd's ide with hope that would fix something, but i've not started k3b again yet.. |
| 23:27.46 | gravity | R00b1e 0n R41lZ0rZ |
| 23:28.14 | zvn | ruby on rails has AWFUL syntax |
| 23:28.24 | gravity | meh |
| 23:28.30 | gravity | You mean ruby or rails? |
| 23:28.35 | Guerin | but at least it's not java |
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| 23:28.59 | zvn | gravity, what did you mean then with R00b1e 0n R41lZ0rZ |
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| 23:29.01 | pipeline | Guerin: hahah, "at least it's not java" ? |
| 23:29.10 | gravity | zvn: Which one has awful syntax? The language or the toolkit? |
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| 23:29.15 | Gnea | hrm |
| 23:29.18 | pipeline | Guerin: Java's the best thing to happen to the industry in decades. A ticket out of the C++ morass. For all its warts, I'll love it. |
| 23:29.18 | gravity | zvn: You *do* know the difference, right? |
| 23:29.32 | Tortel | halloween time |
| 23:29.33 | zvn | hrm, well, not really |
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| 23:29.35 | Tortel | cyas, have fun |
| 23:29.38 | pipeline | gravity: I don't see what bearing RoR has on a discussion of J2EE :P |
| 23:29.39 | gravity | Jesus fucking... |
| 23:29.43 | pipeline | Kruzr: Yes. |
| 23:29.43 | Tortel | BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO0! |
| 23:29.50 | Kruzr | huzzah! |
| 23:29.55 | Gnea | has any of you geeks ever seen a .CSV file that uses semicolons -> ; <- as a field separator? |
| 23:29.56 | gravity | zvn: Ok. Rails is a toolkit written in ruby for ruby. |
| 23:29.56 | Guerin | pipeline: i'm not bitching about the language so much as the fact that Sun's is the only complete implementation. |
| 23:29.58 | liran_ | how can i get the source package for mysql-server-4.1? it doesnt seem to appear in my sources |
| 23:30.03 | pipeline | Guerin: Uh, what? |
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| 23:30.09 | gravity | zvn: Ruby is a general purpose scripting language like python or perl. |
| 23:30.13 | pipeline | Guerin: Sun is the small fry in the Java market. |
| 23:30.17 | pipeline | Guerin: IBM and BEA dominate. |
| 23:30.25 | zvn | gravity, heh, well this is all obvious |
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| 23:30.33 | zvn | get on to rails |
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| 23:30.36 | pipeline | Guerin: I've never even seen the Sun implementation in use. Other than on Sun's blog server. |
| 23:30.37 | Guerin | pipeline: oh. Both proprietary implementations as well? Great. |
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| 23:30.52 | pipeline | Guerin: The java standard library is /huge/. |
| 23:30.59 | pipeline | Guerin: A complete implementation is nearly impossible |
| 23:31.01 | gravity | Wow. This discussion has done nothing but convince me that web developers really are stupid. |
| 23:31.20 | pipeline | gravity: RoR is a nice toy, but J2EE it ain't. |
| 23:31.25 | mhall | You know your system is getting long in the tooth when you can download packages literally 20x faster than you can install them. |
| 23:31.34 | gravity | pipeline: We'll see. I'm rooting for the Free stuff. |
| 23:31.35 | pipeline | mhall: Just means you have too much shit installed. |
| 23:31.49 | gravity | pipeline: And it's a much nicer paradigm to work with, even if it doesn't scale quite as high |
| 23:31.53 | mhall | pipeline: But the database read of installed files only happens at the beginning. |
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| 23:32.08 | Kerr | plase, take your holy war elsewhere? |
| 23:32.11 | pipeline | gravity: It doesn't matter whether it's free software or not. To pull out the car analogy, a ten centimeter RC car from Radio Shack isn't going to replace 14 ft. diesel trucks any time soon. |
| 23:32.18 | zvn | how can I burn a DVD-R in DAO mode in sarge? |
| 23:32.25 | gravity | pipeline: That's what Sun said about Linux. |
| 23:32.28 | thingfish | is there a holy war going on? |
| 23:32.30 | gravity | pipeline: Oops! |
| 23:32.38 | pipeline | mhall: Heh, the database read takes longer than anything else on my end :X |
| 23:32.43 | Kerr | java/ruby/net/whatever |
| 23:32.49 | pipeline | gravity: Linux didn't grow up, the hardware did. |
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| 23:32.56 | gravity | pipeline: I beg to differ |
| 23:32.57 | mhall | pipeline: I do have a lot installed though, like 110000 files or some such. |
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| 23:32.59 | Guerin | wtf |
| 23:33.03 | gravity | pipeline: Maybe you don't remember how it used to be |
| 23:33.10 | Kruzr | I love how people complain when someone has an even slightly spirited conversation about anything |
| 23:33.14 | pipeline | gravity: No, because before 2.4, I used FreeBSD :) |
| 23:33.15 | zvn | ehh, found dvdrtools from non-free |
| 23:33.26 | mhall | pipeline: That's what happens when you use your Debian desktop for *.* |
| 23:33.45 | pipeline | mhall: Heh. Debian makes it so easy to install every fucking thing under the sun, it's difficult to restrain oneself. |
| 23:33.55 | mhall | Kruzr: Esp if it's not 100% Debian related. That /really/ causes a curfuffle. ;-) |
| 23:34.02 | Kruzr | mhall: heh |
| 23:34.10 | mhall | pipeline: I wish removing were as easy as installing. |
| 23:34.14 | mhall | pipeline: But it never is. |
| 23:34.30 | mhall | pipeline: There are always cruft libraries that are hard to remove in an elegant way. |
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| 23:34.43 | mhall | pipeline: I am sure I have perhaps .5 or 1 GB of them someplace. |
| 23:34.45 | pipeline | gravity: Seriously, though. Some of the critical components of a real J2EE environment are already free and already out there. |
| 23:34.49 | pipeline | gravity: JBoss, for example |
| 23:34.58 | Kerr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:35.01 | Kerr | ignored^ |
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| 23:35.08 | gravity | pipeline: That's good to hear. I don't really follow it so I don't know what parts jboss handles. The lack of a serious Free base for it is a real issue though. |
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| 23:35.19 | pipeline | gravity: Right now, with Free java, we have a chicken egg problem. |
| 23:35.26 | gravity | pipeline: I know the VMs are more or less there, and classpath is getting better, but still... |
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| 23:35.34 | gravity | pipeline: Yeah, but we've been saying that for a decade now :-) |
| 23:35.38 | pipeline | gravity: Are you kidding? The open source VMs and compilers are lame. |
| 23:35.42 | mhall | pipeline: My big problem with Java is that I'm not sure it's good at all. |
| 23:35.46 | mhall | pipeline: Free or not. |
| 23:35.51 | gravity | pipeline: Really? The VMs are bad too? That's a shame. |
| 23:35.53 | pipeline | gravity: There's no demand for an open source VM/compiler because the free standard libraries suck so much |
| 23:36.07 | pipeline | gravity: There's no demand to fix the free standard library implementations because the open source vm / compiler setups suck so much. |
| 23:36.18 | pipeline | gravity: We have free implementations of everything but the most basic runtime :P |
| 23:36.22 | mhall | pipeline: Part of the problem is, you have the spec, but Sun's implementations are broken. |
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| 23:36.35 | mhall | pipeline: At least now the JDK source code is available. |
| 23:36.38 | gravity | pipeline: That's the serious problem. The whole java thing really reminds me way too much of the GNU story. |
| 23:36.38 | pipeline | mhall: Well, fortunately for us, everyone but you has figured out that Java offers compelling advantages. |
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| 23:36.44 | gravity | Which is terrifying. |
| 23:36.50 | pipeline | mhall: The JDK source has been available for a very long time. It's the redistribution license for binaries that sucks ass. |
| 23:37.00 | mhall | pipeline: So you can at least examine this code and see what they are doing. |
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| 23:37.17 | mhall | pipeline: Even though you of course cannot use it for any decent purpose with the license it possesses. |
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| 23:37.28 | pipeline | gravity: Frankly, it doesn't concern me that there's not a fully free java. I would just like to see Sun lighten up on their binary redistribution terms. |
| 23:37.42 | pipeline | mhall: Actually, you can do all sorts of things with the source under the Sun license. It's the binaries compiled from the source that you can't do piddly squat with. |
| 23:37.44 | gravity | pipeline: Most people say that, but I really think the whole stack needs to be free |
| 23:37.47 | mhall | pipeline: I don't want to write large scale applications using a nonfree language. |
| 23:37.59 | pipeline | mhall: Learn to love Mono. |
| 23:38.00 | veleno | still problems with usb mouse. installed debian image 2.6.12, loaded usbmouse, ohci_hcd, and lsusb shows it. now when xorg starts, it hangs with /dev/input/mice not such device |
| 23:38.12 | mhall | pipeline: Yeah, Mono is a really good product. |
| 23:38.14 | pipeline | gravity: That goes for you, too. Mono is pretty darn promising. |
| 23:38.20 | gravity | pipeline: Fortunately there are alternatives. Even if things like RoR aren't J2EE yet, they'll be good enough for 95% of tasks soon |
| 23:38.25 | pipeline | gravity: No. |
| 23:38.25 | mhall | pipeline: I want to write something interesting with it. |
| 23:38.26 | gravity | pipeline: Yeah, I liked mono when I looked at it |
| 23:38.44 | mhall | pipeline: Does it support threads? I presume it must in order for stuff like GTK# to function properly. |
| 23:38.45 | pipeline | gravity: RoR isn't even a contender in the games that J2EE plays. It's not even in the same sport, much less the same league or ballpark. |
| 23:38.52 | pipeline | mhall: Of course. |
| 23:39.00 | gravity | pipeline: 95% of web site deployments don't need J2EE |
| 23:39.09 | pipeline | gravity: much more than 95% don't use them. |
| 23:39.18 | mhall | People tell me that Gtk# is some casbah rocking stuff. |
| 23:39.26 | pipeline | gravity: RoR is more comparable to, say, PHP |
| 23:39.38 | gravity | pipeline: True, but PHP is good enough for most tasks |
| 23:39.38 | mhall | Has anybody with unstable been having funny problems playing DVDs with menus in VLC lately? |
| 23:39.44 | pipeline | gravity: And I would definitely take Ruby over PHP any day of the week, even though I'm not particularly fond of RoR specifically. |
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| 23:40.10 | gravity | pipeline: Yeah, the argument goes for any of the competitors though. Whatever the python flavor of the month is for example |
| 23:40.10 | pipeline | mhall: GTK# maps GTK events to C# event/delegate objects, which makes it surprisingly easy to write a sane GUI program. |
| 23:40.24 | pipeline | gravity: heh, Python has a fully free stack. It's not going anywhere. |
| 23:40.31 | veleno | does /dev/input/mice belong to some particular group in a working environment?... |
| 23:40.42 | pipeline | gravity: Zope is a complete application server, even comes with a few cool demo applications (Plone) |
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| 23:40.43 | mhall | veleno: let me look at mine |
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| 23:40.57 | gravity | pipeline: Python is going a lot of places. Maybe not in the web world, but just about everywhere else |
| 23:40.58 | pipeline | gravity: But it's written in a language that sucks ass ( python ) lacks vendor backing, lacks any sort of standard, and did I mention that python sucks ass? |
| 23:41.09 | gravity | pipeline: Python has Microsoft backing it |
| 23:41.12 | mhall | veleno: on my box it's root.root |
| 23:41.17 | gravity | And this is from someone who likes Java as a language? Geez |
| 23:41.21 | gravity | I'm no python fan myself, but come on |
| 23:41.25 | gravity | It's a great language |
| 23:41.32 | gravity | With a good toolkit and a large community |
| 23:41.34 | veleno | mhall and does a cat /dev/input/mice reports any error ? |
| 23:41.35 | pipeline | gravity: Get back to me when the GC works. |
| 23:41.41 | pipeline | gravity: And when the syntax isn't whitespace significant. |
| 23:41.49 | gravity | pipeline: Half the stuff on your debian box is written in python |
| 23:41.51 | pipeline | gravity: And it's not controlled by an egomaniac. |
| 23:41.53 | gravity | Sad but trye |
| 23:41.57 | veleno | in my case, i got: no such device, but it's clearly listed there |
| 23:41.58 | pipeline | gravity: If by "half" you mean "maybe 0.1%" |
| 23:42.06 | pipeline | gravity: I have more CL code on my machine than Python. |
| 23:42.07 | mhall | The whitespace significance of python is the entire point. |
| 23:42.13 | pipeline | mhall: It was a moronic decision. |
| 23:42.25 | pipeline | mhall: The interpreter pukes if you ever mix tabs and spaces. |
| 23:42.34 | pipeline | and python garbage collection |
| 23:42.35 | pipeline | good god |
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| 23:42.38 | mhall | pipeline: That's a bad idea to begin with. |
| 23:42.48 | mhall | pipeline: As for GC, that's easily fixed. |
| 23:42.52 | pipeline | Python has been bending over backwards for fifteen years to remain compatible with its naieve reference count scheme from the eighties. |
| 23:42.58 | gravity | That's why I don't like python myself, but the reality of the situation is that it's growing and will continue to grow |
| 23:42.59 | pipeline | mhall: It will never be fixed, however, because Guido is an idiot. |
| 23:43.10 | mhall | hmm |
| 23:43.19 | pipeline | GC is a problem that was solved decades ago. |
| 23:43.22 | mhall | Why use reference count? It's torturous and obsolete. |
| 23:43.24 | pipeline | Guido decided that actually consulting experts was a bad idea. |
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| 23:43.35 | pipeline | mhall: "obsolete" is the tip of the ice berg. reference count gcs simply do not work. Period. |
| 23:43.35 | azeem | ... |
| 23:43.41 | mhall | pipeline: Yeah if that's what they are using I think I'll have to agree with you here. |
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| 23:44.07 | pipeline | mhall: However, because there were four or five popular python modules in existence at the time that Guido realized that ref count gc was insane, he made sure that all uture development remained compatible with that broken-ass API. |
| 23:44.46 | zvn | whaahaaahaaa, pipeline, my beloved friend, you certainly have an ego of a kind yourself... not necessarily smaller than Guido's |
| 23:44.47 | pipeline | mhall, gravity: let's put it this way: For practical intents and purposes, each and every module you add to your python project comes with its own ad-hoc ref-count garbage collector. Avoid straying from the standard library if you can. *definitely* avoid circular references. |
| 23:45.34 | pipeline | zvn: Come on. GC was a problem that was solved before I was born, and yet here it is in 2005 and what is quite possibly the fourth or fifth most popular scripting language uses ref-count gc? |
| 23:45.38 | mhall | pipeline: The old joke: One day a student came to a professor with his "great new garbage collection algorithm". Simply keep a counter in each object and increment and decrement this as the object gains and loses references. The professor said, "I have a story for you: one day a student came to me with a 'great new garbage collection algorithm.'" ... |
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| 23:46.18 | lewis | can someone remind me, what was the boot loader prior to grub? |
| 23:46.22 | resiak | LILO |
| 23:46.33 | lewis | that's the one |
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| 23:46.57 | pipeline | mhall: hahah, I love that one. |
| 23:47.03 | mhall | pipeline: yeah |
| 23:47.10 | pipeline | mhall: I remember it being ripped off for ESR's "Zen" text file. |
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| 23:47.13 | EmleyMoor | There is some kind of extension called "XScreenSaver" I need to check and activate if possible, as auto-away in Psi needs it |
| 23:47.18 | GomoX | hi |
| 23:47.26 | mhall | pipeline: yeah that's the canonical redistribution source |
| 23:47.29 | GomoX | Hi |
| 23:47.37 | GomoX | My Woody MySQL server is b0rked |
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| 23:47.38 | mhall | pipeline: I can't blame ESR though, it's a good koan. |
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| 23:47.49 | mhall | !tell GomoX about doesn't work |
| 23:48.02 | GomoX | mhall: i'll get to it |
| 23:48.02 | GomoX | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld...failed. |
| 23:48.20 | resiak | Isn't brokenness the standard behaviour for MySQL? |
| 23:48.27 | mhall | I have this odd problem in xterm. Alt-1, Alt-2, etc produce keycodes instead of irssi window toggling. What do I do? |
| 23:48.36 | bbrazil | mhall: esc-1 |
| 23:48.40 | pipeline | resiak: Yes, it comes ootb configured to do nothing useful. |
| 23:48.43 | GomoX | pastrami:/home/gomo# tail /var/log/mysql/mysql.err |
| 23:48.44 | GomoX | pastrami:/home/gomo# tail /var/log/mysql.log |
| 23:48.44 | GomoX | pastrami:/home/gomo# |
| 23:48.55 | GomoX | I don't know what to do :/ |
| 23:49.18 | GomoX | pastrami:/home/gomo# safe_mysqld |
| 23:49.18 | GomoX | Starting mysqld daemon with databases from /var/lib/mysql |
| 23:49.18 | GomoX | 051031 20:50:29 mysqld ended |
| 23:49.24 | bbrazil | mhall: there's a proper way to fix it too. MetaSendsEscape Xresource. you can set it via one of the rmb menus of xterm |
| 23:49.25 | GomoX | Sorry, last floodish msg |
| 23:49.28 | resiak | mhall: Also, use a decent terminal emulator? |
| 23:49.32 | mhall | bbrazil: hmm |
| 23:49.42 | mhall | resiak: Yeah the others have broken Unicode support. |
| 23:49.44 | GomoX | So, it won't start and it won't tell me why |
| 23:49.52 | GomoX | It just stopped working one day |
| 23:49.56 | Guerin | GomoX: use /etc/init.d/mysql *, not the daemon directly |
| 23:49.57 | resiak | mhall: rxvt-unicode. HTH HAND |
| 23:50.12 | azeem | 00:43 < GomoX> Starting MySQL database server: mysqld...failed. |
| 23:50.12 | mhall | resiak: k stfu thx ;-) |
| 23:50.25 | Guerin | oh, ok |
| 23:50.40 | GomoX | So, any ideas? |
| 23:50.42 | resiak | mhall: :) |
| 23:50.43 | azeem | GomoX: nothing in e.g. daemon.log either? |
| 23:50.49 | GomoX | azeem: i'll check |
| 23:51.02 | mhall | resiak: i did play with rxvt a bit but encountered some other funny keycode issues there |
| 23:51.03 | azeem | GomoX: otherwise, inspect the init script and dissect it |
| 23:51.17 | mhall | resiak: i think for irc i pretty much have to use Esc-* or konsole |
| 23:51.22 | mhall | resiak: konsole's unicode is alright |
| 23:51.23 | GomoX | "cat /var/log/daemon.log | grep -i mysql" gives nothing |
| 23:51.26 | mhall | resiak: but not great |
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| 23:51.46 | mhall | everybody complains about xterm bloat |
| 23:51.51 | GomoX | azeem: well i take it safe_mysqld should provide more useful info than the init script, but it doesn't |
| 23:51.54 | mhall | but it seems to be faster for me than the other terms |
| 23:52.09 | mhall | it definitely loads quickest and responds fastest to input |
| 23:52.17 | azeem | GomoX: dunno, never used mysql myself |
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| 23:52.39 | azeem | GomoX: perhaps there's a --verbose or --debug command line option? |
| 23:53.17 | Squarepants | how do i set the locale? man locale says there is a program called setlocale but there isn't in my system |
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| 23:53.47 | dondelelcaro | Squarepants: use dpkg-reconfigure locales; to set the default locale; then set LANG or LANGUAGE or LC_*; |
| 23:54.21 | warreng | how do i get a list of all currently installed packages? |
| 23:54.30 | dondelelcaro | !installed |
| 23:54.30 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; |
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| 23:56.04 | hawking | I want to run a script every startup how can i do this? |
| 23:56.24 | warreng | is there a repository I can add so i can install php5 and mysql5 ? |
| 23:56.39 | mhall | alright here are the errors from VLC (even as root) |
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| 23:56.40 | resiak | mhall: urxvt works just fine for me and for many others ... but it's up to you. |
| 23:56.40 | mhall | [00000268] main input error: no suitable access module for `' |
| 23:56.40 | mhall | [00000263] main playlist: nothing to play |
| 23:56.42 | resiak | !php5 |
| 23:56.42 | dpkg | php5 is currently only available in unstable. if you require php5 for sarge, first check your head, then ask me about <dotdeb>, however, if you use dotdeb packages you are on your own. |
| 23:56.49 | mhall | resiak: yeah i will play with it some more |
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| 23:57.00 | mhall | !tell me about dotdeb |
| 23:57.44 | EmleyMoor | What, exactly, is the XScreenSaver extension, and how do I enable it in xfree86? |
| 23:58.07 | gravity | EmleyMoor: It should be enabled by default. Check your /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 23:58.10 | bbrazil | mhall: the answer I gave above works perfectly for xterm/irssi. I just can't give exact instructions as I'm in PuTTy. |
| 23:58.23 | FuzzplugJones | where's the best debian-specific howto for properly setting up postfix with maildir support, amavisd-new, clamav, spamassassin, razor and pyzor? |
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| 23:58.45 | EmleyMoor | gravity: Anything specific to look for? |
| 23:59.00 | pusling | a file owned by root, permissions 644, placed in a someusers homedir. can someuser delete that file ? |
| 23:59.11 | gravity | EmleyMoor: The string "Saver"? |
| 23:59.16 | Guerin | pusling: depends where it is |
| 23:59.19 | gravity | EmleyMoor: It should tell you that it's loading the extensions |
| 23:59.20 | bbrazil | pusling: assuming they have write on the directory, yes |
| 23:59.27 | resiak | pusling: Yes, if they have +w on the dir it is in and their homedir is not +t |
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| 23:59.32 | EmleyMoor | gravity: no "Saver" |
| 23:59.34 | warreng | what's so bad about dotdeb? |
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