| 00:00.02 | lightbright | pattieja: next? |
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| 00:00.10 | pattieja | lightbright, list the partitions using 'p' and verify there is only a single partition |
| 00:00.16 | sgeigerbot | saboya: I'm not sure. maybe kappfinder will clean up. |
| 00:00.21 | saboya | ok |
| 00:00.24 | kike | hy, can anyone read this? |
| 00:00.29 | too-quick | how can i get my exim4 (which works fine on my local network) to work on the web? |
| 00:00.31 | pattieja | lightbright, if there is only a single partition, delete it using the 'd' command |
| 00:00.35 | too-quick | kike, yes |
| 00:00.49 | sgeigerbot | saboya: Ah, here's what I was thinking of: kde-update-menu |
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| 00:00.55 | Guerin | too-quick: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 00:01.02 | lightbright | pattieja: it says: /dev/hda1 * 1 1244 9992398+ c W95 FAT32 (LBA) |
| 00:01.08 | pattieja | lightbright, good, delete it |
| 00:01.12 | lightbright | pattieja: I type d? |
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| 00:01.38 | too-quick | Guerin, thats just gunna make me start from the begining right? |
| 00:01.39 | lightbright | pattieja: I typed d |
| 00:01.43 | lightbright | pattieja: next? |
| 00:01.47 | Guerin | too-quick: ? |
| 00:01.47 | pattieja | lightbright, NOTE: this is all done at your own risk and with full knowledge that you can and will lose data. I am not responsible! </disclaimer> |
| 00:01.53 | welson | is it fine if I included /etc/alternatives in my path? |
| 00:02.10 | pattieja | lightbright, what does the 'p' command tell you now? |
| 00:02.17 | lightbright | pattieja: I dont care lose data on desination |
| 00:02.27 | pattieja | lightbright, just making sure you know |
| 00:02.32 | Guerin | too-quick: that's going to give you a very simple choice, which, if you choose correctly, will 'work on the web' |
| 00:02.32 | lightbright | pattieja: but this wont lose data on my source will it? |
| 00:02.36 | pattieja | lightbright, no |
| 00:02.39 | smagy2 | can some one explain what the kernel dump in the following snapshot means http://rafb.net/paste/results/SIHkA282.html |
| 00:02.39 | lightbright | ok :) |
| 00:02.42 | lightbright | pattieja: next? :) |
| 00:02.44 | pattieja | lightbright, only if you are fdisk'ing your source drive |
| 00:02.49 | lightbright | pattieja: ok |
| 00:02.51 | pattieja | lightbright, 'p' output, please |
| 00:03.06 | lightbright | pattieja: the p said nothing there now |
| 00:03.09 | lightbright | its gone |
| 00:03.11 | pattieja | lightbright, good |
| 00:03.11 | lightbright | pattieja: next? |
| 00:04.16 | lightbright | pattieja: do I quit fdisk now? |
| 00:04.20 | pattieja | lightbright, 'n' to create a new partition, make it primary ('p'), 1st partition, give it approximately 9GB of space using +9G for the second size entry |
| 00:04.36 | too-quick | Guerin, thanks...i already had the right config but that gave me an idea on something else to read...thanks |
| 00:04.46 | pattieja | lightbright, you will need to use '1' as the default starting sector |
| 00:05.05 | lightbright | pattieja: ok |
| 00:05.05 | pattieja | lightbright, if you make a mistake, you will need to delete the partition and start over |
| 00:05.13 | lightbright | pattieja: ok, done |
| 00:05.13 | pattieja | lightbright, what does 'p' say now? |
| 00:05.57 | lightbright | pattieja: due to your time restraints, im writing this down and will do it later! si for now please assume all goes to plan |
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| 00:06.02 | lightbright | pattieja: whats next after that? |
| 00:06.11 | pattieja | lightbright, please just do it. |
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| 00:06.48 | pattieja | lightbright, add another partition using 'n', primary partition, 2nd partition, using the remainder of the space (just press enter for the start and end) |
| 00:07.00 | lightbright | pattieja: its ok, i know you are in a hurry., please carry oj quicklly so you can go |
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| 00:07.10 | lightbright | pattieja: ok next? |
| 00:07.14 | pattieja | lightbright, change the second partition type using the 't' command to '82' which is Linux Swap |
| 00:07.20 | lightbright | pattieja: ok |
| 00:07.37 | pattieja | lightbright, exit fdisk by using the 'w' command to write the parition table and exit |
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| 00:07.50 | lightbright | pattieja: ok |
| 00:07.53 | pattieja | lightbright, mkswap /dev/hda2 to initialize swap on the swap partition |
| 00:08.08 | fbi | how about 'man fdisk' ? |
| 00:08.11 | lightbright | pattieja: ok |
| 00:08.14 | pattieja | fbi, :) |
| 00:08.22 | fbi | i'm not joking |
| 00:08.29 | fbi | you are spoonfeeding, hardcore |
| 00:08.33 | fbi | to a borderline troll |
| 00:08.45 | lightbright | pattieja: done all that |
| 00:08.55 | fbi | everything you are saying is explained in the man page |
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| 00:08.58 | pattieja | lightbright, what type of filesystem is on /dev/hdb1? |
| 00:09.10 | pattieja | lightbright, you will need to mkfs.<fstype> /dev/hda1 |
| 00:09.12 | lightbright | pattieja: ext3 |
| 00:09.16 | pattieja | k |
| 00:09.36 | abrotman | fbi: borderline ? |
| 00:09.40 | lightbright | pattieja: so I type mkfs ext3 /dev/hda1 ? |
| 00:09.46 | fbi | abrotman: lurker |
| 00:09.48 | abrotman | read the man page |
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| 00:09.53 | abrotman | man mkfs |
| 00:09.56 | pattieja | lightbright, finally, you can mount /dev/hda1 on /mnt and use the tar command to copy the data across |
| 00:10.04 | pattieja | lightbright, mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda1 |
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| 00:10.10 | Guerin | wtf |
| 00:10.12 | eob84 | anyone know of a good console HTML editor? |
| 00:10.12 | Guerin | why use tar? |
| 00:10.17 | lightbright | pattieja: whats the tar command to copy all that across? |
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| 00:10.19 | eob84 | text based* |
| 00:10.19 | Guerin | cp -a will do this, as would rsync |
| 00:10.20 | pattieja | Guerin, what would you recommend? |
| 00:10.24 | SerajewelKS | eob84, vim |
| 00:10.34 | abrotman | eob84: vi |
| 00:10.35 | pattieja | Guerin, cp -a does not copy sockets, that I've experienced |
| 00:10.37 | eob84 | it does HTML syntax? |
| 00:10.43 | SerajewelKS | eob84, yes |
| 00:10.43 | Guerin | pattieja: i'd recommend my simple and concise instructions of about an hour ago |
| 00:10.44 | abrotman | vimd oes |
| 00:10.45 | abrotman | does |
| 00:10.46 | pattieja | Guerin, whereas tar does |
| 00:10.51 | abrotman | Seb: wake up! |
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| 00:11.11 | Seb | abrotman: what up ? :) |
| 00:11.15 | abrotman | nothing .. |
| 00:11.20 | Seb | beyotch ! :> |
| 00:11.21 | eob84 | it isn't doing it? |
| 00:11.21 | resiak | abrotman: You're a bastard |
| 00:11.24 | lightbright | pattieja: whats the tar command to copy all that across exactly as it is on the source? |
| 00:11.25 | abrotman | i just needed another sane person here .. Guerin wasn't cutting it :) |
| 00:11.28 | eob84 | do I need to add a plugin? |
| 00:11.29 | Seb | resiak: oh he is |
| 00:11.36 | pattieja | lightbright, you will need to man tar for this one as I don't recall what the exclude operator is, which you will need to use on the mounted source |
| 00:11.39 | eob84 | I want it to color code |
| 00:11.43 | abrotman | eob84: vim |
| 00:11.49 | Guerin | abrotman: what do you mean 'another' - there's one already? |
| 00:11.53 | pattieja | lightbright, I assume that you are still working from the 20Gig hard drive? |
| 00:11.55 | eob84 | it isn't |
| 00:12.01 | abrotman | Guerin: yes .. lightbright .. isn't it obvious |
| 00:12.01 | eob84 | how do I make it do it? |
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| 00:12.14 | abrotman | eob84: :syntax on .. i think |
| 00:12.20 | eob84 | oh lol |
| 00:12.24 | lightbright | pattieja: ok |
| 00:12.28 | lightbright | pattieja: yes |
| 00:12.29 | Guerin | abrotman: well, it claims to be a psychologist |
| 00:12.32 | pattieja | lightbright, cd /; tar --exclude /mnt -cvf - . | tar -C /mnt -xf - |
| 00:12.41 | lightbright | pattieja: cool thanks |
| 00:12.43 | pattieja | lightbright, you will need to verify the --exclude statement |
| 00:12.49 | lightbright | ok |
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| 00:13.20 | lightbright | pattieja: thats all I need to know? |
| 00:13.24 | pattieja | lightbright, once that completes, then you will need to 'cd /mnt; mount -t proc proc proc; chroot /mnt; grub-install /dev/hda' |
| 00:13.25 | abrotman | yeah .. i won't do that again |
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| 00:13.34 | fbi | no don't let them take the channel back |
| 00:13.39 | lightbright | ok |
| 00:13.40 | fbi | someone start talking about something |
| 00:13.41 | pattieja | lightbright, then you should be able to unmount everything and reboot onto your /dev/hda hard drive |
| 00:13.53 | fbi | dammit |
| 00:13.54 | pattieja | lightbright, talk to you later |
| 00:13.56 | lightbright | pattieja: ok |
| 00:13.59 | lightbright | pattieja: thanks :) |
| 00:14.04 | lightbright | pattieja: bye |
| 00:14.06 | Guerin | pattieja: just watch, if this works, lightbright quux_ will bestow upon you Its Eternal Gratefulness, and it'll be nice to you and not ignore you until you tell it to RTFM |
| 00:14.12 | abrotman | fbi: today .. i peed on a monk! |
| 00:14.18 | fbi | abrotman: pics |
| 00:14.22 | Guerin | at which point it'll cry like a kicked puppy and put you on /ignore |
| 00:14.24 | lightbright | pattieja: i apprecicate your time and effort |
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| 00:14.32 | pattieja | Guerin, ehh? |
| 00:14.41 | abrotman | fbi: oh god no .. i wouldn't want to degrade the monk with pictures |
| 00:14.50 | fbi | haha |
| 00:14.52 | pattieja | Guerin, just thought I'd return the favor for all the assistance I used the past few days getting my hacker problem solved |
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| 00:15.11 | lightbright | pattieja: I wish there were more kind and helpful people like you in the world |
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| 00:15.26 | Guerin | pattieja: see ... it's starting |
| 00:15.30 | lightbright | pattieja: dont worry about them, they just dont like others helping people |
| 00:15.32 | pattieja | Guerin, heh |
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| 00:15.51 | pattieja | well, I do have to go. Talk to y'all later |
| 00:15.59 | lightbright | pattieja: bye |
| 00:16.09 | lightbright | pattieja: take care have a great day |
| 00:16.19 | Guerin | err, how did quux_ get in there |
| 00:16.22 | abrotman | hey .. i helped pattieja .. |
| 00:16.24 | Guerin | quux_: sorry |
| 00:16.28 | fbi | jesus christ! |
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| 00:16.37 | fbi | why do you have to say more shit are you say "bye" ? |
| 00:16.37 | abrotman | no . i didn't help him .. i let him hang |
| 00:16.41 | fbi | err |
| 00:16.42 | eob84 | ok command worked?... what plugins do I need to make it color code HTML? |
| 00:16.43 | fbi | s/are/after/ |
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| 00:17.00 | fbi | let who hang |
| 00:17.03 | fbi | me? |
| 00:17.04 | abrotman | jesus christ |
| 00:17.08 | fbi | oh |
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| 00:17.15 | fbi | well whatever |
| 00:17.27 | thingfish | this channel just gets weirder and weirder... |
| 00:17.42 | fbi | thingfish: you don't know the half of it! |
| 00:17.45 | abrotman | says the guy with a fish for a thing |
| 00:17.53 | eeyore- | thingfish: how could it possibly get any weirder than it is already |
| 00:17.53 | thingfish | hmmpf |
| 00:18.03 | Guerin | thingfish: hell, the weird-o-meter hasn't even come off standby yet |
| 00:18.06 | thingfish | eeyore-: well I keep wondering that myself... |
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| 00:18.35 | thingfish | I mean, this is like the roswell of freenode or something. |
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| 00:18.51 | eeyore- | anybody up in san bernardino mountains? |
| 00:18.51 | abrotman | thingfish: i don't understande |
| 00:18.53 | eob84 | VIM doesn't color code anyhting |
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| 00:18.53 | fbi | yeah well i'd rather be an alien than a gentoo user |
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| 00:19.04 | Fletchy | How do I mount my flash/thumb drive? |
| 00:19.08 | abrotman | !usb-storage |
| 00:19.09 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
| 00:19.22 | Guerin | eob84: then you haven't correctly told it to. Read the documentation. |
| 00:19.23 | fbi | eeyore-: i live not far from there, whhy |
| 00:19.26 | eeyore- | Fletchy: plug it in, modprobe usb-storage and read output of "dmesg" (or guess device names) |
| 00:19.27 | thingfish | abrotman: all kinds of oddballs running around acting strange. |
| 00:19.30 | ampciclico | hello |
| 00:19.38 | abrotman | thingfish: those are called trolls :) |
| 00:19.38 | eob84 | Guerin... I just did apt-get install |
| 00:19.40 | eeyore- | fbi: wanna go up to big bear for some wheeling fun on nov 12th? |
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| 00:19.42 | Fletchy | eeyore-, new to linux, so don't really know many commands ytet |
| 00:19.47 | Guerin | eob84: that is evident |
| 00:19.51 | thingfish | not to mention the out-of-this-world "visitors" we get in here. |
| 00:19.55 | abrotman | gah .. fuck .. Md .. wants to remove my hotplug |
| 00:20.07 | eob84 | Guerin... well if it isn't simpe then people can't figure it out by lookin at it |
| 00:20.19 | Thanatermesis | any way to enter in a irc server + channel from commandline launchement of the client ? |
| 00:20.19 | eeyore- | Fletchy: "modprobe usb-storage", "dmesg" and "fdisk -l /dev/sda", "fdisk -l /dev/sdb" and so on until you find one with partitions :-) (that's in case you have one of those multi-slot reader thingie) |
| 00:20.20 | eob84 | Guerin... VIM is a pane in the arse lol |
| 00:20.28 | abrotman | !vim syntax highlighting |
| 00:20.28 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, vim syntax highlighting is a way to make vim highlight script or source code syntax. You can enable it after you 'apt-get install vim vim-rt' and type ':syntax on' when in vim. You can have it start each time with vim by adding 'syntax on' to your ~/.vimrc file. |
| 00:20.45 | abrotman | !vi syntax |
| 00:20.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, vi syntax is syntax on in your .vimrc |
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| 00:20.58 | Fletchy | eeyore-, I did modprobe usb-storage....and it just went to a newline |
| 00:21.06 | eeyore- | Fletchy: that's good |
| 00:21.06 | Guerin | eob84: i agree with you there, but the fact remains that hundreds of thousands of people have figured it out before you, mostly by reading the fucking documentation which comes with it. |
| 00:21.38 | Fletchy | ok |
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| 00:21.44 | eeyore- | eob84: vim is a window to your arse? |
| 00:21.49 | eob84 | Guerin... did that... |
| 00:21.49 | Fletchy | and fdisk -l /dev/sdb 'worked' to then |
| 00:21.51 | Fletchy | What now? |
| 00:21.53 | eeyore- | eob84: i do not want to picture that ... |
| 00:22.04 | eob84 | Guerin... did what it said... did what dpkg said to do... didn't work |
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| 00:22.14 | Guerin | eob84: bullshit. If you had, it'd work. |
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| 00:22.24 | eob84 | Guerin... so I came here... if you don't know the answer then shut the fuck up |
| 00:22.27 | MasterYoda | any one know what could cause one way communication accross a serial link? |
| 00:22.28 | resiak | Woah... |
| 00:22.29 | Guerin | eob84: why do you think your case is different from everyone else's? |
| 00:22.29 | fbi | eeyore-: wheeling as in trucks? |
| 00:22.44 | Guerin | eob84: i do know the answer. The answer is READ THE FUCKING DOCUMENTATION |
| 00:22.45 | eeyore- | Fletchy: then just "mount -o ro /dev/sdb1 /mnt" or some such (you might want to "mkdir /mnt/thumbdrive" and "mount -o ro /dev/sdb1 /mnt/thumbdrive" just in case |
| 00:22.53 | eob84 | Guerin... apparently it isn't lol |
| 00:23.00 | Fletchy | Ok ill try that |
| 00:23.04 | resiak | eob84: :set filetype=html |
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| 00:23.07 | eeyore- | fbi: 4x4, yeah. you'll need some skids and rock rails for john bull |
| 00:23.12 | Guerin | eob84: i wonder how the other million or so vim users worked it out then. must be magic. |
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| 00:23.16 | resiak | eob84: but ffs, the rest of us all managed it |
| 00:23.31 | newbie_at_linux | I just installed a program from source. I do not know where the program got installed to. Maybe it was not anywhere that is in my path. When I tried to run it, I got the error "No such file or directory." |
| 00:23.38 | fbi | haha sound like a blast but all of my free time is dedicated to a project sitting in my garage |
| 00:23.38 | abrotman | i didn't .. but i don't like syntax highlighting .. makes you lazy .. and god knows .. we don't need more lazy people ... |
| 00:23.47 | eeyore- | eob84: what's wrong with ":syn on"? |
| 00:23.53 | eob84 | resiak... I am working and reading... my point was VIM isn't easy... I wanted a easier one people could use |
| 00:23.56 | Fletchy | eeyore, it says "mount: special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist |
| 00:24.05 | resiak | eob84: ... |
| 00:24.08 | eob84 | resiak... he is just yelling I dion't know lol |
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| 00:24.16 | eeyore- | Fletchy: mmmmm, didn't you just say "fdisk -l /dev/sdb" produce partition info output? |
| 00:24.17 | Guerin | eob84: nano has syntax highlighting, and is very easy for morons such as yourself. |
| 00:24.18 | eob84 | resiak... but thanx dude |
| 00:24.20 | resiak | eob84: I think you're being a fool too, don't you worry. |
| 00:24.27 | Guerin | eob84: it has a helpful hint bar |
| 00:24.36 | abrotman | !irritate Guerin |
| 00:24.37 | dpkg | Guerin: hi every1 how does I run teh mouse kthx |
| 00:24.48 | Fletchy | eeyore-, it just makes a newline |
| 00:24.50 | resiak | eob84: No, vim isn't easy. but it's powerful as all hell. You could just read the docs, like the rest of us, and play with it for a while and learn how to use it. |
| 00:24.52 | Fletchy | as soon as i press enter |
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| 00:24.59 | abrotman | !stupid nickcomplete Guerin |
| 00:25.00 | dpkg | /°¤> Guerin <¤°\ Isn't my nick complete really annoying? |
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| 00:25.09 | resiak | Hahahah |
| 00:25.14 | Guerin | abrotman: you bastard |
| 00:25.17 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:25.19 | eeyore- | Fletchy: well, that's the thing with linux removable storage :-) you can't quite tell which device name it's gonna go under :-) haha. so, try them all. /dev/sda, /dev/sdb, /dev/sdc and so on |
| 00:25.22 | Guerin | abrotman: you fucked up my terminal |
| 00:25.28 | Fletchy | hehe ok |
| 00:25.31 | abrotman | i don't remember who was here that day .. |
| 00:25.32 | resiak | abrotman: You're a bad, bad man. |
| 00:25.32 | eob84 | resiak... I know how to use it... I have it set so user can sucure shell into their account and edit web pages using command line |
| 00:25.35 | eeyore- | Fletchy: for comparision, do "fdisk -l /dev/hda" to see the sort of output you expect to get |
| 00:25.43 | abrotman | the totally wouldn't take the hint ... |
| 00:25.46 | resiak | eob84: You clearly _don't_ know how to use vim. |
| 00:25.47 | Fletchy | sda outputs alot of shit |
| 00:25.50 | abrotman | but that was his real nick complete |
| 00:25.57 | Fletchy | Talks about 4 different partitions |
| 00:25.57 | eeyore- | Fletchy: so it's sda1 for you, then |
| 00:25.58 | eob84 | resiak... VIM is a good tool... but it was difficult for me to use at first |
| 00:26.07 | resiak | eob84: I don't see what your point is. |
| 00:26.08 | Guerin | eob84: all good tools are, |
| 00:26.08 | eeyore- | Fletchy: sda or hda? :-) |
| 00:26.17 | Fletchy | sda |
| 00:26.23 | luddite | silly question... i got 15 users logged in.. how do i flush them |
| 00:26.25 | eob84 | true |
| 00:26.26 | eeyore- | Fletchy: your thumbdrive has four partitions? |
| 00:26.28 | thingfish | you know, some distros just struggle so hard with fonts, whereas in Debian, you can add them and everything just works. |
| 00:26.30 | eob84 | linux for example lol |
| 00:26.31 | Fletchy | Nope |
| 00:26.32 | Fletchy | Odd |
| 00:26.43 | eeyore- | Fletchy: show me output in /query eeyore- |
| 00:26.49 | Fletchy | 256MB, single output |
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| 00:26.58 | Fletchy | Its on the other computer:| |
| 00:27.02 | eob84 | Guerin... nano might work better thanx... I'll read on it |
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| 00:27.13 | biohazrd | In reading I have found mixed reports on SATA CD/DVD ROM&Burning support for linux. My understanding is that SATA uses a SCSI subsytem. I found no information on the website for cdrecord as if it is supported. Does anyone know if SATA buring is supported yet? |
| 00:27.16 | luddite | silly question... i got 15 users logged in.. how do i flush them.. i don't want to restart |
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| 00:27.16 | eeyore- | Fletchy: well, nevermind :-) you know what to do |
| 00:27.17 | Fletchy | i might be able to take a pic with my phone though |
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| 00:27.27 | resiak | !tell luddite -about repeat |
| 00:27.27 | eeyore- | Fletchy: nah, don't bother |
| 00:27.39 | biohazrd | I am buying a new drive, and don't want to get something that will not work. |
| 00:27.53 | Guerin | eob84: vim:nano::land rover:bumper car |
| 00:27.57 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 00:27.58 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html , or http://linux.yyz.us/sata/ |
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| 00:28.20 | eeyore- | biohaza: be the first one to try and let us know :-) |
| 00:28.20 | luddite | i added to my reeat |
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| 00:28.23 | luddite | repeat |
| 00:28.27 | Guerin | and for the record: vim:emacs::land rover:humvee |
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| 00:28.42 | abrotman | wtf kind of analogy is that ? |
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| 00:28.45 | abrotman | oh wait .. a poor one |
| 00:28.46 | eeyore- | luddite: w, find out their shell process and kill their shells |
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| 00:28.58 | Guerin | abrotman: a car analog |
| 00:28.59 | Fletchy | so eeyore-, im stuck then? |
| 00:28.59 | Guerin | y |
| 00:29.06 | eeyore- | guesri: elaborate, please |
| 00:29.16 | eeyore- | Guerin: elaborate, please |
| 00:29.18 | Guerin | eeyore-: i think you mean me |
| 00:29.20 | abrotman | i think he's saying emacs sucks more .. |
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| 00:29.27 | Guerin | heh |
| 00:29.29 | abrotman | much like a humvee sucks more gas |
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| 00:29.36 | luddite | there's no command to knock out a user? |
| 00:29.41 | abrotman | kill ? |
| 00:29.45 | litage | i changed the nameservers for domain.net 15 hours ago. why would ``dig domain.net'' return "connection timed out; no servers could be reached"? |
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| 00:29.46 | Guerin | a hummvee is much bigger and less efficient than a landrover, but can do much more |
| 00:29.49 | streuner | !slay |
| 00:29.50 | eeyore- | Guerin: when you say "humvee" you mean H1 or H2? quite a big difference |
| 00:29.51 | Guerin | thus vim and emacs |
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| 00:30.00 | Guerin | eeyore-: heh, now you're getting technical |
| 00:30.01 | eeyore- | Guerin: and it really should be Jeep vs. H1 |
| 00:30.02 | streuner | luddite: man slay |
| 00:30.15 | eeyore- | Guerin: because as we all know, Land Rovers are only good for sand :-) |
| 00:30.25 | Guerin | eeyore-: why, becauyse both are american? |
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| 00:30.40 | Guerin | eeyore-: i wonder if the people driving them around the congo realise that |
| 00:30.56 | abrotman | because rover vs hummer is just another chevy/ford argument :) |
| 00:31.15 | eeyore- | Guerin: i gotta wonder how many land rovers around here (socal/az/etc.) ever see rocks that's not on the driveways |
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| 00:31.27 | Guerin | eeyore-: same in every country, I guess |
| 00:31.46 | Guerin | eeyore-: certainly in NZ, and even more so in korea |
| 00:32.11 | Guerin | every dude and his wife has a big SUV, but there's no wilderness anywhere in this country |
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| 00:32.18 | Guerin | there are barely even gravel roads |
| 00:32.21 | eeyore- | Guerin: actually, a land rover *discovery* is nice |
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| 00:32.33 | Falkom | do you know if any clipboard with icccm support? |
| 00:32.35 | xam | Guerin: I thought Texas is pretty wild ;-P |
| 00:32.47 | eeyore- | Guerin: but anything after the discovery just ... too expensive and ... just not the same spirit as the discover. |
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| 00:32.58 | Guerin | eeyore-: i was actually thinking of the dirty big african safari land rovers without AC or automatic transmission or windows |
| 00:33.07 | Guerin | eeyore-: but I guess that would be vi |
| 00:33.14 | eeyore- | Guerin: you might be thinking of the Discovery model, then |
| 00:33.40 | eeyore- | Guerin: everything after that (LR3 included) is sort of pussified |
| 00:33.45 | Guerin | xam: i've never been to texas, but I hear that's s |
| 00:33.46 | Guerin | o |
| 00:33.52 | Guerin | eeyore-: right. |
| 00:34.06 | Guerin | nissan and toyota made serviceable offroad vehicles for a while |
| 00:34.14 | newbie_at_linux | Whenever I try to run a certain program from terminal, I get a prompt with > on the next line and the program does not come up. |
| 00:34.22 | eeyore- | Guerin: the Land Cruiser (Toy) is definitely capable |
| 00:34.24 | lorijho_ | could someboby share his/her experience on booting from an usb hdd... I'm getting "Kernel Panic Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block" even though I set root=/dev/sda1 or root=0x801 in grub |
| 00:34.26 | abrotman | newbie_at_linux: show us the command |
| 00:34.36 | Guerin | i have friends who circumnavigated australia in a 1982 land cruiser and an 84 nissan patrol |
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| 00:34.44 | lgd_ | hi all |
| 00:34.47 | eeyore- | lorijho_: you have to compile in support for USB and devices into the kernel |
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| 00:35.04 | newbie_at_linux | chris@ubuntu:/usr/bin$ bo2k |
| 00:35.04 | newbie_at_linux | > |
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| 00:35.10 | Guerin | and I read about some blokes who drove a mistubishi shogun from london to New york across siberia without so much as an oil change |
| 00:35.12 | xam | newbie_at_linux: you probably have a ' (single quote) in the command, take it out of quote (\) it |
| 00:35.17 | eeyore- | Guerin: but i prefer short wheelbase really, no full-sized rigs for me |
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| 00:35.51 | abrotman | newbie_at_linux: this is not #ubuntu |
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| 00:36.06 | lorijho_ | eeyore-, i'm using an the standard kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 in sarge |
| 00:36.12 | luddite | sweet thanks |
| 00:36.15 | eeyore- | bo2k? bo2k????? back orifice 2000? |
| 00:36.21 | luddite | i shall slay my enemies |
| 00:36.29 | abrotman | newbie_at_linux: you want to ask #ubuntu |
| 00:36.43 | eeyore- | lorijho_: it might have usb stuff compiled modularly, so if you insist on booting from usb, you'll have to compile your own kernel |
| 00:36.57 | xam | eeyore-: oh, wow, could be ;) |
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| 00:37.44 | lgd_ | for licensing the program with gpl |
| 00:37.49 | lgd_ | do i do? |
| 00:37.57 | dswanson1 | Abrotman... you there? |
| 00:38.15 | lgd_ | only write in the sorce so this program is in gpl? |
| 00:38.15 | eeyore- | newbie_at_linux: why in the fuck do you want to run "bo2k"? (if it's the one) ... it's "rootkit" program |
| 00:38.21 | Guerin | lgd_: did you write it from scratch, entirely yourself, without reference to any programs licensed differently? |
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| 00:38.48 | abrotman | dswanson1: uhm .. yes |
| 00:38.56 | abrotman | dswanson1: but you're in allentown! |
| 00:39.01 | lgd_ | Guerin: tnk |
| 00:39.14 | abrotman | or is that altoona |
| 00:39.16 | dswanson1 | thanks for the "help" yesterday... pretty funny |
| 00:39.22 | abrotman | !fish dswanson1 |
| 00:39.23 | dswanson1 | i'm not in allentown |
| 00:39.26 | abrotman | dswanson1: funny ? |
| 00:39.27 | Guerin | lgd_: you need to read the gpl, and there's discussion of this on gnu.org |
| 00:39.34 | abrotman | "help" ? |
| 00:39.35 | dswanson1 | the cat joke |
| 00:39.39 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 00:39.43 | Guerin | lgd_: but all you really need to know is in the gpl itself |
| 00:39.43 | dswanson1 | :) |
| 00:39.46 | abrotman | dswanson1: altoona! |
| 00:39.54 | lorijho_ | eeyore-, can this not be solved by adapting the initrd, including the usb modules in the initrd image ?? |
| 00:39.54 | dswanson1 | philly |
| 00:39.57 | abrotman | wtf |
| 00:40.01 | abrotman | what the hell is atn ? |
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| 00:40.19 | lgd_ | Guerin: i have read |
| 00:40.22 | abrotman | dswanson1: i'll buy you a beer! .. how about .. Manayunk brewery! |
| 00:40.29 | lgd_ | all gpl licens |
| 00:40.30 | dswanson1 | help me with a boot error message? |
| 00:40.37 | lgd_ | i want the conferm |
| 00:40.48 | abrotman | hrm .. iron hill brewery? |
| 00:40.48 | dswanson1 | 'yunk brewery is right down the street |
| 00:40.49 | Guerin | lgd_: what's your native language? |
| 00:40.54 | abrotman | dswanson1: i work in KoP |
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| 00:41.13 | eeyore- | Guerin: oops, i was wrong. i meant to say "Defender" where I said "Discovery" above. see http://www.hannibalusa.com/images/roofracks/LR-Defender/5-t.jpg |
| 00:41.18 | dswanson1 | i'm a roxborough guy, neighbor |
| 00:41.20 | Guerin | eeyore-: oh, ok. |
| 00:41.41 | dswanson1 | small world |
| 00:41.41 | abrotman | dswanson1: i know someone who lives in roxoborough |
| 00:41.43 | abrotman | dswanson1: anyways .. what's the error message |
| 00:41.43 | dswanson1 | now you know 2 |
| 00:41.51 | Guerin | eeyore-: that's the tigger |
| 00:41.59 | dswanson1 | can we bail on the public chat? |
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| 00:42.13 | abrotman | nah .. chat here .. it's almost dinner time for me |
| 00:42.14 | baegle | Whoa, philly area in the house? |
| 00:42.17 | dswanson1 | k |
| 00:42.20 | eeyore- | dswanson1: would you like some more of the same help as yesterday? |
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| 00:42.35 | dswanson1 | modprobe: can't locate psmoune |
| 00:42.42 | dswanson1 | ~psmouse |
| 00:42.44 | abrotman | dswanson1: does your mouse work ? |
| 00:42.44 | Guerin | dswanson1: spelling helps |
| 00:42.50 | lorijho_ | could someboby share his/her experience on booting from an usb hdd... I'm getting "Kernel Panic Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block" even though I set root=/dev/sda1 or root=0x801 in grub |
| 00:42.51 | eeyore- | lorijho_: it *might* but that's assuming your bios can load initrd ... if it can load initrd from usb, sure |
| 00:42.55 | abrotman | baegle: i'm sorry :) |
| 00:43.06 | baegle | :) |
| 00:43.16 | dswanson1 | nah... i can't get the mouse or keyboard in X |
| 00:43.16 | eeyore- | lorijho_: i'd feel much safer with asking bios to just load one image (kernel) than two |
| 00:43.20 | magyar | ahoy |
| 00:43.24 | abrotman | i haven't been to conshy .. since a bday party at flanigans |
| 00:43.27 | abrotman | in march |
| 00:43.32 | eeyore- | lorijho_: i know that i can be done as i did it before :-) |
| 00:43.35 | lgd_ | Guerin: italin |
| 00:43.39 | abrotman | dswanson1: is it a ps2mouse > |
| 00:43.40 | abrotman | ? |
| 00:43.41 | lorijho_ | eeyore-, ?? |
| 00:43.44 | dswanson1 | yes |
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| 00:43.55 | abrotman | dswanson1: and your keyboard doesn't work either ? |
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| 00:44.07 | dswanson1 | only at the shell |
| 00:44.19 | abrotman | !drxx dswanson1 |
| 00:44.20 | dpkg | dswanson1: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 00:44.24 | Jerry | Hi guys |
| 00:44.34 | abrotman | dswanson1: pick the right keyboard .. and use /dev/input/mice ... for your mouse device |
| 00:44.37 | magyar | having problems with framebuffer and kernel 2.6.14 on sid. If framebuffer is disabled i see kernel boot messages but if enabled i see a blank screen during the boot. Can you helpa brother? |
| 00:44.37 | Guerin | lgd_: you might consider discussing this with some folks who speak italian, then. If you need clarification on points in the gpl, it's likely to be complex stuff in english. |
| 00:44.40 | Guerin | !it |
| 00:44.41 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 00:44.48 | eeyore- | lorijho_: when i did the usb linux load thingie, i used a linux kernel (stuffs compiled in) and grub + busybox. this worked for me. YMMV. |
| 00:44.49 | dswanson1 | thanks for the place to start |
| 00:44.59 | Jerry | Some time during the night there was a power outage and my Debian machine went froze. Is there any way I can tell when this power outage occured? |
| 00:45.08 | Guerin | lgd_: that place might help - otherwise, the fsf is bound to have resources and contacts who speak italian. |
| 00:45.13 | abrotman | check for the mark in the syslog or messages |
| 00:45.27 | xam | Jerry: look at /var/log/syslog |
| 00:45.27 | dswanson1 | ok |
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| 00:45.54 | eob84 | Guerin... thanx got it working... I didn't have my vimrc file configured correctly |
| 00:46.07 | lgd_ | Guerin: good |
| 00:46.12 | HarryL | can you run ide-CD and ide-scsi at same time? |
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| 00:46.17 | lgd_ | Guerin: thank you |
| 00:46.28 | xam | HarryL: not with the same drive |
| 00:46.29 | Guerin | eob84: amazing what a bit of rtfm can do |
| 00:46.33 | Guerin | lgd_: you're welcome |
| 00:46.58 | lgd_ | Guerin: for the italian contact fsf is in the site? |
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| 00:47.09 | Guerin | lgd_: should be |
| 00:47.14 | lgd_ | sorry for my english |
| 00:47.40 | HarryL | ok I downloaded xcdroast which can use ide-CD but real slow and possilby dangerous so i want scsi emulation and edited /etc/modules by commenting out ide-CD and adding ide-scsi |
| 00:47.49 | Guerin | lgd_: your english is fine, I'm just thinking that something this important should be done in a language you're 100% comfortable with |
| 00:48.02 | mfrisch | HarryL turn on dma |
| 00:48.14 | HarryL | what that do? |
| 00:48.23 | eob84 | Guerin... modest? |
| 00:48.36 | Guerin | eob84: ? |
| 00:48.45 | Guerin | eob84: mussorgsky? |
| 00:48.59 | Guerin | that's the only Modest I can think of |
| 00:49.01 | xam | HarryL: you might also want to add a 'hdc=ide-scsi' (or similar) in your /boot/grub/menu.lst or /etc/lilo.conf |
| 00:49.06 | mfrisch | HarryL makes it faster...and scsi is usually not needed |
| 00:49.14 | HarryL | dma is that disk mastering? still not sure what it does |
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| 00:49.44 | HarryL | using grub, but it booted and showed scsi success |
| 00:49.58 | linlin | Hi Im looking for some help getting a GUI running. Allow me to explain: |
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| 00:50.18 | mfrisch | HarryL man hdparm |
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| 00:50.39 | Guerin | linlin: no need to explain until you've done ... |
| 00:50.42 | Guerin | !set up x |
| 00:50.42 | dpkg | from memory, set up x is First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 00:50.43 | HarryL | man hdparm it is, thanks |
| 00:50.43 | eeyore- | HarryL: 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 00:50.48 | Guerin | linlin: ^ the above |
| 00:50.50 | HarryL | 2.4 |
| 00:51.00 | eeyore- | HarryL: then ide cdrom writing shouldn't be slow for you |
| 00:51.07 | linlin | oh |
| 00:51.21 | xam | HarryL: DMA allows to transfer data directly from the drive via the controller to the PC's memory. Thus faster transfers, less CPU load, less risk of buffer underruns |
| 00:51.37 | HarryL | which module does that? |
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| 00:51.49 | eeyore- | HarryL: no, "hdparm -d1 /dev/..." |
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| 00:52.11 | linlin | now i jsut wish there was a way to copy/paste that from bitchx :p |
| 00:52.21 | xam | HarryL: without DMA the CPU has to perform the data transfer 'manually'. Turn DMA on with hdparm -d 1 <device> |
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| 00:52.37 | eidan | how change acpi for apm |
| 00:52.38 | HarryL | o.k. |
| 00:53.19 | HarryL | must be root to hdparm? |
| 00:53.26 | mfrisch | HarryL you can add the hdparm command to /etc/init.d/bootmisc |
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| 00:53.44 | luddite | crazy thing... i slay user.. and the same number of users are still there.. this guy never logged out :) |
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| 00:53.52 | xam | mfrisch: errm? why not in /etc/hdparm.conf |
| 00:54.02 | thingfish | !dict luddite |
| 00:54.04 | dpkg | could not find definition for luddite |
| 00:54.34 | luddite | i throw wooden shoes |
| 00:54.39 | mfrisch | xam you can do that...I allways added it to bootscripts. |
| 00:54.42 | luddite | during the industrial revolution |
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| 00:54.59 | thingfish | well if you're a luddite you shouldn't even be using a computer. |
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| 00:55.13 | luddite | linux runs on my wooden shoes |
| 00:55.25 | luddite | lol |
| 00:55.26 | xam | mfrisch: well, the /etc/hdparm.conf is there for a reason ;) |
| 00:55.26 | eeyore- | luddite: ps axfuw | grep <username> | cut -c 10-15 | xargs kill -9 |
| 00:55.36 | n3rd^s_woman | eheheh wood |
| 00:55.38 | Derek9854 | is it just me or is google really slow the past couple of days? |
| 00:55.38 | luddite | thanks eeyore |
| 00:55.46 | mfrisch | xam I will look-see |
| 00:55.51 | xam | Derek9854: just you :) |
| 00:55.55 | Derek9854 | really? |
| 00:56.06 | xam | Derek9854: no problems here |
| 00:56.06 | Derek9854 | all other sites are good for me |
| 00:56.11 | thingfish | I use the heck out of it and it's been fine for me. |
| 00:56.15 | HarryL | o.k. so hdparm -d1 /dev/hdb would allow DMA for hdb? |
| 00:56.16 | Derek9854 | hmm |
| 00:56.23 | Derek9854 | what about gmail? |
| 00:56.24 | Falkom | do you know if any clipboard with icccm support? |
| 00:56.29 | thingfish | eww gmail |
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| 00:56.31 | xam | Derek9854: working perfectly |
| 00:56.32 | eeyore- | luddite: just in case you have weird usernames, "grep ^<username>" to match at beginning of line :-) |
| 00:56.38 | thingfish | fascist spyware evilness |
| 00:56.51 | xam | HarryL: yes |
| 00:57.01 | Derek9854 | cool thanks |
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| 00:57.13 | luddite | strange man.. i did your command to no avial |
| 00:57.27 | HarryL | since I only have one writer, then I wouldnt need DMA for other drives or would that be ok to add them too? |
| 00:57.35 | eeyore- | luddite: really? can't be. show me example? |
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| 00:57.53 | luddite | ps axfuw | grep user | cut -c 10-15 | xargs kill -9 |
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| 00:58.00 | xam | HarryL: would be a good idea to enable it for each drive. |
| 00:58.08 | eeyore- | luddite: show me output of "ps axfuw | grep username" |
| 00:58.12 | eeyore- | luddite: in /query eeyore- |
| 00:58.29 | xam | HarryL: hard disk and cdrom drives ... |
| 00:58.36 | HarryL | o.k. seperate lines in whichever file I edit for each drive |
| 00:59.00 | abrotman | that's an ambitious typer .. o.k. .. :) |
| 00:59.16 | luddite | no output |
| 00:59.20 | luddite | whoops |
| 00:59.21 | luddite | sorry |
| 00:59.22 | HarryL | or would I just -d1 /dev/ /dev/ /dev/ |
| 00:59.34 | Derek9854 | cya |
| 00:59.47 | xam | HarryL: what about 'man hdparm' ? ;) |
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| 01:00.03 | HarryL | didnt work nothing manula entry |
| 01:00.11 | luddite | it only shows that root was grepping user |
| 01:00.17 | luddite | but when i type users |
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| 01:00.46 | HarryL | try it again... |
| 01:00.48 | luddite | i get many many users |
| 01:00.54 | luddite | and that particular user |
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| 01:01.11 | afaik | help! |
| 01:01.21 | afaik | How can I unzip all the zip files in a directory? |
| 01:01.33 | resiak | for i in *.zip; do unzip i; done |
| 01:01.39 | HarryL | I must not have hdparm, seems pretty basic should be there |
| 01:01.42 | resiak | argh |
| 01:01.42 | afaik | I remeber it being something like for i in *zip; do unizp |
| 01:01.45 | krex | do unzip "$i" |
| 01:01.45 | resiak | for i in *.zip; do unzip $i; done |
| 01:01.55 | resiak | krex: Filenames don't have spaces ;) |
| 01:01.56 | krex | mark the ""s... |
| 01:01.56 | eeyore- | luddite: if you can't show me, i can't continue this thread. sorry. |
| 01:01.58 | afaik | thanks! |
| 01:02.01 | luddite | sorry |
| 01:02.02 | daft | when my screen turns in suspention mode (blank) it isnt going back to display my screen after hitting a button, is this a bug? (sid) |
| 01:02.10 | eeyore- | bye! gotta go home :-) |
| 01:02.13 | luddite | ps axfuw | grep ludovicus |
| 01:02.13 | luddite | root 27566 0.0 0.0 1832 580 pts/0 S+ 15:32 0:00 \_ grep ludovicus |
| 01:02.31 | daft | :/ bad typos :/ |
| 01:02.39 | luddite | what! |
| 01:02.43 | luddite | you bozo |
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| 01:03.22 | daft | when my screen turns in suspention mode (going black it isnt going back to normal display when i hit a key |
| 01:04.10 | xam | daft: some laptops (like dell latitue with ati cards) have this symptom. Try Alt-F1 to switch to a console when the screen is black and switch back with Alt-F7 ... perhaps this helps |
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| 01:04.58 | abrotman | daft: sarge ? |
| 01:05.02 | xam | daft: sorry, I mean Ctrl-Alt-F1 |
| 01:05.04 | daft | abrotman, sid |
| 01:05.12 | daft | I tryed every thing |
| 01:05.21 | ryan` | I'm seeing a lot of invalid TCP checksums on a linux router, tried both debian's 2.6.8 and a custom compiled 2.6.13.5... The issue does not seem to be cabling, and the packets seem to be OK other then the bad checksums. I tried two diffrent computers, using diffrent ethernet adaptors using diffrent chipsets, same problem. |
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| 01:05.35 | mormonkiller | how do you force install a package? |
| 01:05.54 | daft | i did ctrl alt backspace , pressed my powerbutton (closing down kde) not worked |
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| 01:06.02 | daedric | ryan` perhaps the packet is OK and the checksum being created erronously? |
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| 01:07.06 | daft | I think im goina post this to the bug mailing list |
| 01:07.14 | mormonkiller | how do you force install a package? |
| 01:07.22 | daft | i never had this problem before |
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| 01:08.12 | HarryL | o.k. running ide-scsi and now apt cant read the cdrom drive - /media/cdrom linked to ??? |
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| 01:08.54 | HarryL | should I just link /media/cdrom0 to /dev/sr0? |
| 01:08.59 | krex | hey guys, anybody knows how to debug ISDN connection setups and would share his/her knowledge... please, i'm going crazy... |
| 01:09.09 | krex | -> mormonkiller dpkg --force-help ?? |
| 01:09.29 | Guerin | mormonkiller: i suggest you remove the second m from your nick |
| 01:09.41 | Guerin | mormonkiller: lest an op remove your whole nick |
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| 01:10.08 | deonya | oh lol the most obvious answer let me try that real quick ty krex |
| 01:10.32 | krex | ;-) |
| 01:10.49 | some_dude | I'm trying to compile qemu, but it says i need SDL, so i apt-get install libsdl-dev, but that's not the correct package, any ideas ? |
| 01:10.59 | Guerin | !wayc some_dude |
| 01:11.02 | dpkg | some_dude: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
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| 01:11.26 | some_dude | i need the kqemu, which has to be compiled as a kernel module |
| 01:12.29 | Guerin | some_dude: apt-cache search libsdl dev |
| 01:12.35 | Guerin | some_dude: there are several versions |
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| 01:13.22 | HarryL | can you have multiple entries in /etc/fstab for same drive? |
| 01:13.31 | some_dude | i installed the libsdl-dev that does not cover all of them ? |
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| 01:13.48 | Guerin | some_dude: you tell me. |
| 01:13.50 | odd- | how many cd's is debian? |
| 01:13.55 | some_dude | guess not |
| 01:13.55 | Tomze | some_dude, i think you need libsdl1.2-dev |
| 01:13.59 | Guerin | odd-: 28, stable |
| 01:14.12 | odd- | That's great. |
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| 01:14.25 | Guerin | !overfiendsphallus |
| 01:14.26 | dpkg | Today will be a day long remembered. Today we launched the massive phallus Debian 2.0, a towering penis of software, larger than any other Linux distribution ever made. We Got the Big Dicks. |
| 01:14.30 | odd- | I doubt I'll ever get debian, closest I've gotten was ubuntu. |
| 01:14.34 | odd- | It was alright. |
| 01:14.36 | odd- | not great. |
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| 01:14.44 | some_dude | I've already installed libsld1.2-dev |
| 01:15.07 | Guerin | some_dude: read config.log and see what it fails on |
| 01:15.30 | Guerin | some_dude: or use auto-apt |
| 01:15.36 | some_dude | ERROR: QEMU requires SDL or Cocoa for graphical output |
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| 01:15.40 | odd- | karsten, I'm going to hand you a cock, and some shampoo. |
| 01:15.43 | odd- | Whack away. |
| 01:15.48 | Roxport | howdy |
| 01:15.51 | karsten | !ops odd- |
| 01:15.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: odd- |
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| 01:16.22 | karsten | odd-: Keep it sane. |
| 01:16.25 | odd- | O_o |
| 01:16.40 | odd- | karsten, keep it civil. |
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| 01:16.59 | apokryphos | how can I format a drive from the command line to, say, fat32? |
| 01:17.13 | Guerin | apokryphos: mkfs.vfat |
| 01:17.13 | odd- | You want to change the filesys? |
| 01:17.15 | Roxport | This is dumb question, but how can i install older versions with apt-get, like an older version of bzflag server? I am using text-only debian at this time. |
| 01:17.17 | odd- | Or format? |
| 01:17.26 | Guerin | odd-: no, he wants to format |
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| 01:17.42 | Guerin | Roxport: yes and no. Why do you want to? |
| 01:17.48 | odd- | Guerin, so in order to run debian, 28CD's does the trick. |
| 01:17.52 | odd- | That's somewhat disgusting. |
| 01:17.56 | some_dude | i don't even have gcc |
| 01:18.00 | Roxport | to run a server |
| 01:18.01 | apokryphos | odd-: format too; it's ntfs atm |
| 01:18.03 | Roxport | bzfs |
| 01:18.05 | Guerin | odd-: in order to run it, a 32MB mini-iso and a network connection does the trick |
| 01:18.07 | Roxport | but not 2.0 |
| 01:18.10 | odd- | Symantic has the libs.. |
| 01:18.12 | karsten | apokryphos: mkfs.vfat. |
| 01:18.16 | apokryphos | thanks |
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| 01:18.20 | karsten | apokryphos: In dosfstools. |
| 01:18.25 | some_dude | that was the problem, i have sdl, but i did not have gcc |
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| 01:18.31 | odd- | Guerin, naturally. I'm asking for packages. |
| 01:18.35 | odd- | aswell. |
| 01:18.36 | Guerin | !b-e some_dude |
| 01:18.37 | dpkg | some_dude: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
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| 01:18.47 | Guerin | odd-: you can get packages from the intarwebs |
| 01:18.54 | Guerin | odd-: and most people only need cds 1-3 |
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| 01:19.02 | some_dude | i grabed gcc and make, I'm sure I'll get some errors |
| 01:19.10 | Guerin | !b-e some_dude |
| 01:19.11 | dpkg | some_dude: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
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| 01:19.33 | odd- | debian makes use of sudo doesn't it? |
| 01:19.33 | some_dude | i can't during a compile, as soon as it's finished |
| 01:19.40 | odd- | instead of su root? |
| 01:19.44 | karsten | odd-: Either. |
| 01:19.46 | Guerin | odd-: not by default. |
| 01:19.51 | karsten | odd-: Sudo is recommended. |
| 01:20.07 | odd- | sudo is vuln. |
| 01:20.14 | odd- | extremely flawed. |
| 01:20.21 | Guerin | odd-: bollocks. |
| 01:20.26 | some_dude | i like to run as root |
| 01:20.29 | karsten | odd-: Flat wrong. |
| 01:20.30 | Guerin | odd-: it's as flawed as its admin |
| 01:20.31 | some_dude | it's very sexy |
| 01:20.56 | odd- | You're telling me sudo is secure? |
| 01:21.03 | apokryphos | it sure is |
| 01:21.04 | xam | odd-: 'root' is flawed |
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| 01:21.18 | k0walski | !xorg |
| 01:21.21 | dpkg | [xorg] X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R6.8.2. ask me about <get xorg> |
| 01:21.37 | k0walski | how do I ask dpkg in privmsg? |
| 01:21.44 | odd- | the idea of sudo is flawed, the implementation is flawed, and the purpose, also is flawed. |
| 01:21.46 | azeem | k0walski: /msg dpkg xorg |
| 01:22.00 | some_dude | xsetroot -solid rgb:00/00/01 makes naded ladies appear, well she's no lady |
| 01:22.15 | Guerin | odd-: rationale |
| 01:22.26 | azeem | Guerin: uhm, don't feed the troll :) |
| 01:22.28 | apokryphos | odd-: how exactly? I can't imagine someone arguing that su is in any way superior to su |
| 01:22.29 | karsten | Guerin: You've obviously got time to burn today. |
| 01:22.35 | thingfish | some_dude: I guess you didn't hear you were supposed to stay away from the brown acid. |
| 01:22.37 | Guerin | azeem: roger |
| 01:22.38 | karsten | Guerin: r u a girl? |
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| 01:22.43 | odd- | :/ |
| 01:22.44 | Roxport | ,, |
| 01:22.46 | apokryphos | odd-: typical one-system end-users wouldn't see it so much, but in a traditional cluster network it clearly shines |
| 01:22.49 | Fubarovic | how do i rebuild a nuked /dev ? |
| 01:22.49 | Roxport | .. |
| 01:22.49 | Abysmal | could someone help me get swat up and running?? |
| 01:22.54 | Guerin | karsten: roger |
| 01:23.14 | odd- | firstly azeem, you don't exist. |
| 01:23.31 | some_dude | I'm running alpha on my windows box, so when my X session background is 01 my windows background shows though |
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| 01:23.58 | odd- | secondly. apokryphos, there are a little over 10 vulns that I've searched for since this topic in here started. |
| 01:24.00 | karsten | HarryL: Don't. |
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| 01:24.10 | karsten | Fubarovic: MAKEDEV |
| 01:24.11 | magyar | hey Guerin , what is the diff between yard and initramfs? |
| 01:24.19 | apokryphos | odd-: vulns? eh? |
| 01:24.22 | amphi | HarryL: but why? |
| 01:24.26 | some_dude | yea, root is failed, the other day i said rm /etc -rf |
| 01:24.48 | odd- | osvdb.org/searchdb.php?action=search_title&vuln_title=sudo&Search=Search |
| 01:24.57 | some_dude | i was trying to erase /home/something, the actuall command was rm * -rf, i guess i was in the wrong dir |
| 01:25.26 | Roxport | i looked at man page, but how to tell what version i'm getting with some pkg using apt-get before I get + install it? |
| 01:25.35 | fernando | hi all, anyone have problem with i810 / i915 in sarg stable? |
| 01:25.56 | liable | oh, yay, 300mb update for sid after two weeks. :( |
| 01:26.00 | some_dude | to bad there is no apt-get install those_files_i_just_lost |
| 01:26.02 | xam | some_dude: yea, like IRC is flawed, the other day I said 'irc' and '/join #debian' ;) |
| 01:26.03 | Guerin | magyar: no idea |
| 01:26.19 | magyar | sorry yaird |
| 01:26.29 | Guerin | HarryL: don't fucking do that |
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| 01:26.40 | some_dude | !e-b some_dude |
| 01:26.54 | Guerin | some_dude: /lastlog some_dude |
| 01:26.57 | some_dude | !b-e some_dude |
| 01:26.58 | dpkg | some_dude: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 01:27.06 | HarryL | do what? I'm new to this |
| 01:27.18 | Abysmal | Can any one help me get SWAT up and running.. I have done the apt-get, I have changed the config under xinetd and still nothing.. any help or hints?? |
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| 01:27.19 | azeem | 02:18 HarryL [i=harry@dialup-4.248.241.186.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net] requested unknown CTCP ACTION from #debian: |
| 01:27.22 | amphi | HarryL: version the channel |
| 01:27.33 | azeem | HarryL: what irc client do you use? |
| 01:27.35 | Guerin | HarryL: don't CTCP the channel. if you don't know how to use your irc client, don't click random buttons like a drunken ape |
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| 01:27.46 | HarryL | KSirc |
| 01:27.50 | odd- | HarryL, type in /cycle |
| 01:27.59 | karsten | odd-: Congratulations, you've found a list of 18 implemntation errors in sudo over the past seven years. This is _not_ the same as saying sudo's architecture is fundamentally flawed. It's a tool with limitations and warts, but beats a number of alternatives in a number of key regards. |
| 01:28.00 | magyar | Guerin, i saw a post on debian list with name "Guerin" i figured it could be you |
| 01:28.11 | stew | !qotd10 |
| 01:28.12 | dpkg | hmm... qotd10 is <helix> I just bang on the keyboard like a retarded monkey |
| 01:28.28 | Guerin | magyar: possible .... but more likely a bloke called Justin Guerin, no relation. |
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| 01:28.46 | magyar | Guerin, got it, sorry |
| 01:28.57 | odd- | karsten, yes, sudo is great, I've rooted many boxes because of it. |
| 01:28.59 | Guerin | magyar: and I'm not french either, in case you were going to ask |
| 01:29.12 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:29.22 | karsten | some_dude: You _do_ have a canonical archive of files installed on your system, under /var/lib/dpkg/info, and you can determine which of those are absent (and hence which you need to reinstall) from that. |
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| 01:29.32 | Guerin | odd-: that would be because the admins were incompetent, which would likely have enabled you to root the boxen elsewise |
| 01:29.36 | magyar | anyone running sid with 2.6.14? |
| 01:29.41 | EmergeTW | which version of debian should I get? I remember back in the day when I used it there were 3 versions something like, stable, testing, and unstable. Stable always seemed really out dated, which one should I get these days? |
| 01:29.42 | karsten | odd-: Please provide full contact information so I can report you to the appropriate law enforcement authorities. |
| 01:29.46 | some_dude | karsten I'm good |
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| 01:30.01 | Guerin | !anyone use sid with 2.6.14 |
| 01:30.02 | dpkg | No, no one uses sid with 2.6.14, not even the people who use it. |
| 01:30.04 | EmergeTW | I really only see stable and testing on the Debian site, but not much information as to the differences? |
| 01:30.17 | azeem | EmergeTW: stable is fine right now |
| 01:30.19 | anabain | which is better for kde? kmldonkey or amule? |
| 01:30.21 | paivakil | EmergeTW: sid is unstable |
| 01:30.30 | karsten | EmergeTW: For personal use, as a n00b, testing. For servers, stable. Once you've got the hang of it, unstable. |
| 01:30.37 | lsald | Guerin, ouch |
| 01:30.40 | anabain | Guerin, me |
| 01:31.06 | Guerin | anabain: no. nobody does. Not even the people who do. |
| 01:31.06 | odd- | karsten, what for? |
| 01:31.07 | lsald | anabain, i would guess the one that starts with k |
| 01:31.09 | paivakil | what is a good alternative for vnstat? vnstat is not available on amd64 |
| 01:31.14 | amphi | EmergeTW: stable is somewhat recent at the moment ;) |
| 01:31.32 | anabain | Guerin, ??? |
| 01:31.42 | Guerin | !confuse anabain |
| 01:31.44 | dpkg | No, who was their weasel yesterday, anabain? shirts of the democracy of tahiti with extra cream |
| 01:31.49 | odd- | karsten, you're going to report me to the authorities? becuase i explored computers and their weaknesses? |
| 01:32.03 | EmergeTW | I just remember the pain in the ass about having current software was what drove me to Gentoo to begin with |
| 01:32.09 | thingfish | well, since it is ILLEGAL |
| 01:32.19 | odd- | karsten, your sarcism sucks. |
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| 01:32.23 | azeem | anabain: Guerin was talking to dpkg, the bot, as indicated by the ! at the beginning of his line |
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| 01:32.36 | anabain | ok |
| 01:32.50 | fernando | anyone? |
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| 01:32.58 | Guerin | !anyone |
| 01:32.59 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 01:33.03 | Guerin | come on, people |
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| 01:33.08 | Guerin | read the topic |
| 01:33.12 | deckrider | is ndiswrapper on the netinst CD for sarge? |
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| 01:33.38 | Seb | damn, 2.6.13 sure takes a long time to enter sid... |
| 01:33.49 | azeem | Seb: sid has 2.6.14 |
| 01:33.52 | Seb | anyone knows if it has serious pbs in experiemntal, that prevents it from going into sid ? |
| 01:33.53 | odd- | Gentoo's somewhat better in my view, debian is too political. |
| 01:33.56 | Seb | azeem: since when ? |
| 01:33.59 | stew | fernando: what are you trying to do? what is not working? who knows if you are talking about i810 the audio chipset or i810 the graphics chipset even |
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| 01:34.05 | azeem | Seb: Monday or so |
| 01:34.09 | Seb | azeem: sweeeet |
| 01:34.12 | Seb | azeem: thanks a lot man |
| 01:34.13 | stew | odd-: do you have any debian questions we can help you with? |
| 01:34.18 | error403 | Is there a simple way to recover a recently deleted directory? (as in a few seconds ago) I am using ext3 if that helps... |
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| 01:34.30 | stew | error403: in ext3 it is not possible |
| 01:34.35 | amphi | odd-: gentoo is insufficiently political |
| 01:34.38 | fernando | stew i810 graphics (EE) I810(0): No valid FB address in PCI config space |
| 01:34.39 | jbAU | Anyone know how to allow non-valid UID logins in Pop3 (cyrus) and relate to a valid UID? |
| 01:34.41 | karsten | odd-: Your spelling could use some help. |
| 01:34.44 | odd- | stew, do you really think it's in your capablity to help me? |
| 01:34.54 | stew | odd-: not until you ask a question, definately not |
| 01:34.55 | error403 | stew, completely impossible? |
| 01:34.58 | odd- | capability* |
| 01:35.04 | stew | error403: yess, google for ext3 undelete |
| 01:35.11 | stew | fernando: what are you trying to do? |
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| 01:35.40 | Seb | error403: you best friend is alias rm="rm -i" :) |
| 01:35.44 | k0walski | error403: yah ur screwed. |
| 01:35.45 | fernando | stew X don't work |
| 01:35.52 | Seb | error403: yes it's a pain to confirm every time. But you might end up liking it ;) |
| 01:35.53 | karsten | Saves the work of an /ignore... |
| 01:35.54 | fernando | stew startx return errors |
| 01:35.55 | thingfish | don't you just hate it when irritating people leave. |
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| 01:36.04 | stew | odd-: if you have a debian related question, and ask it. i do think its in my capability to help. otherwise, please move on |
| 01:36.13 | karsten | thingfish: Not particularly ;-) |
| 01:36.16 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:36.17 | stew | oh he's gone, thankfully |
| 01:36.18 | Seb | heh |
| 01:36.24 | karsten | error403: Backups ;-) |
| 01:36.51 | error403 | Seb, well, its not i accidentally deleted something as such... I tarred the contents of a directory, and for some reason it DIDNT add a directory that started with '.', even though it added files that did... |
| 01:36.54 | abrotman | thingfish: did lightbright leave ? |
| 01:36.56 | stew | fernando: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and say no to the framebuffer question |
| 01:37.00 | k0walski | how do I get apt to install suggested packages as well? |
| 01:37.00 | karsten | Seb: I prefer generating a delete script, double checking that, t hen running it. |
| 01:37.07 | karsten | k0walski: Use aptitude. |
| 01:37.19 | thingfish | hehe abrotman I'm not sure...he/she/it was here earlier though. |
| 01:37.26 | Seb | karsten: different strokes for differen folks :) |
| 01:37.50 | abrotman | thingfish: i know |
| 01:37.57 | abrotman | thingfish: and telling pattieja how unhelpful everyone is |
| 01:38.03 | karsten | Seb: I _hate_ interactive stuff. You eventually get tired and automatically hit 'y'. I'd much rather set it all up in advance. 'mc' is another useful utility, first tag, then delete. |
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| 01:38.26 | Seb | karsten: i don't use rm -i myself ;) |
| 01:38.35 | spdf | Seb, life on the edge 'eh? ;) |
| 01:38.38 | karsten | Seb: ... or you can create a local "deleteme" or "trash" directory, move stuff into it, ensure you've got it all right, then rm -rf deleteme. |
| 01:38.46 | Seb | karsten: i generate the correct globbing expr., and hit Ctrl-X g in zsh to make it show it to me first |
| 01:38.50 | Seb | spdf: nah ;) |
| 01:38.50 | thingfish | abrotman: you know, some people, there's just a *little* wrong with them, and then other people - well there's a *lot* wrong with some people. |
| 01:39.07 | karsten | thingfish: You're leaving out those who aren't people. |
| 01:39.09 | Seb | thingfish: you're thinking about mwilson, I can tell |
| 01:39.13 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:39.18 | karsten | Seb: Heh. |
| 01:39.19 | error403 | For future reference, is there a way to make 'tar' add dirs starting with '.' |
| 01:39.19 | error403 | ? |
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| 01:39.26 | karsten | error403: tar tvf . |
| 01:39.27 | abrotman | thingfish: and some people are just plain wrong |
| 01:39.37 | thingfish | bigtime |
| 01:39.43 | karsten | error403: ... erm. tar tvf tarfile.tar . |
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| 01:39.50 | black_Nightmare | just wondering about it but could debian like lock preferences to so tv/out would always stay on even if vga is only being used alone? |
| 01:39.51 | Seb | error403: list them explicitely |
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| 01:39.55 | stew | karsten: you mean c not t |
| 01:40.00 | fernando | stew no framebuffer questions |
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| 01:40.17 | Seb | and he means to create it somewhere than in the dir he's tarring ;) |
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| 01:40.23 | fas3r_ | hi all |
| 01:40.24 | Seb | *else |
| 01:40.27 | stew | hmm, i don't have any machines running xfree anymore |
| 01:40.31 | stew | !noscreensfound |
| 01:40.32 | dpkg | i guess noscreensfound is probably dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your XFree86 log to find the actual problem. There will be an earlier error (marked "(EE)") that is the actual problem. |
| 01:40.59 | error403 | Ah, i get it.... tar -cjvpf archive.tar.bz2 * WONT pick up .file ? |
| 01:41.03 | fas3r_ | sorry but what time is it please |
| 01:41.06 | error403 | crap... |
| 01:41.07 | black_Nightmare | its the via unichrome onboard graphic chipset that has the vga+tv/out |
| 01:41.13 | Roxport | to start ftpd, what command? |
| 01:41.18 | abrotman | !unichrome |
| 01:41.19 | dpkg | from memory, unichrome is the graphics core found on many recent VIA chipsets. Namely, VIA CLE266, KM400/KN400, K8M800/K8N800, PM800/PM880/CN400. See http://unichrome.sf.net/ or bother libv. see <xorg sarge> |
| 01:41.21 | Roxport | in.ftpd? |
| 01:41.30 | stew | error403: yes, but tar cjvpf archive.tar.bz2 * .* would |
| 01:41.37 | error403 | ouch... |
| 01:41.44 | black_Nightmare | and I was really wondering about leaving tv/out on so I could like be using it on a monitor then shut down and take over to a friend's and plug it straight into tv booting up right away just like that |
| 01:41.51 | black_Nightmare | hope thats clear ^ |
| 01:41.56 | error403 | DAMN!!!! 1 months of Eclipse customisation gone :'( |
| 01:42.06 | karsten | error403: Make backups. |
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| 01:42.13 | black_Nightmare | and abrot...if that helps, its the CLE266 chipset I believe ;) |
| 01:42.20 | stew | karsten: i htink the problem was with his backup script :) |
| 01:42.23 | fernando | !troubleshooting x |
| 01:42.24 | dpkg | To troubleshoot a problem with X, first look in /var/log/XFree86.0.log and find out what the problem is - look for the first lines starting with (EE). Then use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" to fix it. Ask me about "x md5sum" |
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| 01:42.39 | error403 | karsten, thanks for the hindsight... i do make backups, i just never classes those configs as something i might lose... |
| 01:42.59 | dswanson1 | baegle: are you in the philly area? |
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| 01:43.17 | stew | fernando: when you get a list of modules to enable disable, is there one that starts with fb? like fbdev or something? |
| 01:43.32 | stew | !phillysmite dswanson1 |
| 01:43.56 | fernando | stew nothing about fb |
| 01:44.05 | dswanson1 | IMHO the eagles blow |
| 01:44.10 | black_Nightmare | abort...any idea or not really? |
| 01:44.20 | abrotman | dswanson1: duh .. that was a given after week one |
| 01:44.29 | abrotman | black_Nightmare: dunno about tv out |
| 01:44.32 | dswanson1 | LOL |
| 01:44.41 | abrotman | dswanson1: my money is on the sixers |
| 01:44.55 | black_Nightmare | ty anyhow |
| 01:45.04 | dswanson1 | abrotman: never heard of 'em |
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| 01:45.20 | black_Nightmare | if it didn't work out..at least umm there's always the option to use windows os instead even although .. well...you know... *whistles* |
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| 01:45.35 | abrotman | windows can whistle ? |
| 01:45.42 | Wordan | allo, I am just wondering is the testing installer auto partitioner broken atm? |
| 01:45.48 | abrotman | dswanson1: yeah .. i'm not a basketball fan either :) |
| 01:46.15 | dswanson1 | abrotman: i'm not a debian fan right now either |
| 01:46.35 | abrotman | aw .. did sarge outsmart you ? :) |
| 01:46.42 | spdf | black_Nightmare, Is the TV enabled on boot? |
| 01:46.44 | dswanson1 | lol... YES |
| 01:46.58 | abrotman | wait .. you thought the eagles were good .. and debian outsmarted you ? |
| 01:47.02 | abrotman | i'm seeing a pattern :) |
| 01:47.19 | spdf | black_Nightmare, Rather.. can you atleast see boot loader stuff? |
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| 01:47.22 | dswanson1 | i never said any such thing about the iggles |
| 01:47.36 | k0walski | how can I tell what my mouse device was set to during install? |
| 01:47.38 | abrotman | :phillysmite dswanson1 |
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| 01:47.44 | abrotman | !phillysmite dswanson1 |
| 01:47.47 | spdf | black_Nightmare, you might be able to setup multiple boot options, and a script of sorts that swaps out xorg configs depending on which kernel option you pick.. |
| 01:47.52 | abrotman | oh .. what a crappy smite! |
| 01:48.06 | dswanson1 | hehehe |
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| 01:48.10 | abrotman | !phillysmite dswanson1 |
| 01:48.14 | abrotman | yay |
| 01:48.16 | paivakil | k0walski: usually /dev/mouse or /dev/psaux |
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| 01:48.32 | black_Nightmare | spdf...umm one moment! |
| 01:48.37 | k0walski | paivakil: I set it to /dev/psaux in my x config and it goes crazy. |
| 01:48.39 | dswanson1 | i can't tell where dpkg-reconfigure put my XF86Config-4 |
| 01:48.42 | hawking | I have a laptop that is intel pentium M processor 740 and I want to install debian in it. Which server architecture should i choose? 386,586,686 or smth other? |
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| 01:48.44 | k0walski | paivakil: I'll try /dev/mouse |
| 01:48.51 | abrotman | dswanson1: /etc/X11/ |
| 01:48.57 | dswanson1 | ouch! those liberty bells hurt |
| 01:49.01 | dswanson1 | nope |
| 01:49.11 | dswanson1 | it WAS in /etc/X11 |
| 01:49.20 | fernando | stew any other idea? |
| 01:49.28 | abrotman | we said that |
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| 01:50.22 | n3rd^s_woman | good news Flappy! I've decided not to kill you! |
| 01:50.58 | stew | fernando: no, sorry, i'd google for someone else with the same graphics card and try their XF86Config-4 |
| 01:51.11 | dswanson1 | abrotman: any idea where my XF86Config-4 may be residing now? |
| 01:51.45 | k0walski | paivakil: I tried /dev/mouse and it didn't work.. but /dev/psaux has my mouse doin crazy things.. ti just sits there and opens menus aon it's own and stuff. |
| 01:51.49 | netcatc | fernando: what's the matter? |
| 01:51.51 | stew | dswanson1: did you delete yours? /msg dpkg xmd5 ; /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 01:51.59 | abrotman | dswanson1: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 :) |
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| 01:52.04 | abrotman | !xmd5 |
| 01:52.05 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 01:52.17 | stew | and removing probably counts as hand editing. |
| 01:52.27 | abrotman | !give a medal to whoever invented fig newtons |
| 01:52.28 | dpkg | give a medal to whoever invented fig newtons |
| 01:52.33 | dswanson1 | i didn't delete it |
| 01:52.35 | abrotman | dpkg: dummy |
| 01:52.55 | fernando | netcatc i810 graphics don't work, it return (EE) I810(0): No valid FB address in PCI config space |
| 01:53.03 | dswanson1 | damn... now i'm a dummy? |
| 01:53.30 | abrotman | no .. dpkg is |
| 01:53.38 | dswanson1 | oh ... i c... |
| 01:53.44 | abrotman | dswanson1: do that "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" thingie |
| 01:53.58 | black_Nightmare | spdf....sorry had to download manual then read the stupid so-long pdf file with no thumblinks! ... |
| 01:54.00 | dswanson1 | thanks... i'll try that |
| 01:54.06 | netcatc | fernando: so, you configure dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
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| 01:54.16 | sparr | with the debian mysql-server package... what tools are available to add users? |
| 01:54.27 | fernando | netcatc yes, same times |
| 01:54.32 | abrotman | the same ones in mysql |
| 01:54.39 | black_Nightmare | spdf..it says about a 'select display device' and one of the option is crt+tv so I guess this mean tv/out could be always enabled? |
| 01:54.43 | fernando | netcatc no fb options in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 01:54.50 | black_Nightmare | mind you I don't even have the board yet, I'm ordering it |
| 01:54.57 | netcatc | fernando: AND THERE, DOES IT WORK? |
| 01:55.00 | black_Nightmare | just wanted to figure if I should go linux straight on it |
| 01:55.04 | black_Nightmare | ;) |
| 01:55.09 | sparr | abrotman: what might those be? i read the readme in docs, it skips this step with a single line like "* add users and databases" |
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| 01:55.24 | abrotman | sparr: this is the part where you "/join #mysql" :) |
| 01:55.30 | spdf | black_Nightmare, So, I suspect that you could just define both "screens" in the Xorg config, and boot up with the crt+tv option, and then you wouldn't have to worry about the config swapping |
| 01:55.37 | fernando | netcatc not work |
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| 01:55.50 | hawking | does anyone know where I can find debian 3.1 dvd images? I have searched everywhere but I can only find cd images :/ |
| 01:56.09 | spdf | black_Nightmare, As long as you setup both configurations for xorg, you should be able to boot with either option and have them work.. |
| 01:56.17 | netcatc | fernando: you put generic video "VESA" |
| 01:56.25 | karsten | error403: Config files are mightily important. Even if I'm not regularly backing up other stuff, I'll often have a few stray copies of those around, particularly rsynced to a convenient but remote system. |
| 01:56.31 | paivakil | hawking: you will be better using jigdo to build the dvd images on your own |
| 01:56.36 | karsten | error403: ... putting your $HOME under CVS or SVN is another popular trick. |
| 01:56.40 | azeem | hawking: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 01:56.41 | black_Nightmare | spdf...ty a lot...its just that an itx system is small so its easy to carry and so that meant it might have to share its time between being plugged to either a monitor or a tv at different time without having to manually configure it before unplugging...you know? ;) |
| 01:56.49 | black_Nightmare | spdf...one question still |
| 01:56.50 | fernando | netcatc vesa work |
| 01:56.52 | dswanson1 | abrotman: "/etc/X11/XF86Config-4: No such file or directory" |
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| 01:57.07 | abrotman | dswanson1: are you on sarge or etch or sid ? |
| 01:57.09 | hawking | azeem: thx you so much |
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| 01:57.13 | dswanson1 | sarge |
| 01:57.17 | doleyb | karsten: ugh, $HOME in CVS? Where webbrowser cachces go. |
| 01:57.25 | black_Nightmare | spdf...could I like have a loader menu (or whatever the actual name might be) to select different res at loadup? |
| 01:57.30 | netcatc | fernando: so, what's your video same? |
| 01:57.39 | abrotman | dswanson1: is there an /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 01:57.44 | abrotman | and damn .. fig newtons rule! |
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| 01:57.54 | black_Nightmare | so like just so I could differ between different crts or mainly any lcds (alak setting it to use the lcd's native res if it is known, you know?) |
| 01:58.09 | spdf | black_Nightmare, you ;' |
| 01:58.11 | dswanson1 | abrotman: negative |
| 01:58.26 | fernando | netcatc i810/i915 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. Mobile Graphics Controller (rev 04) |
| 01:58.30 | spdf | black_Nightmare, oops.. Hmm.. Do you plan on moving it around a lot? |
| 01:58.47 | abrotman | dswanson1: /join #flood |
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| 01:59.09 | error403 | karsten, about that trick... If you add a directory to .cvsignore, it will ignore it, yes? So i could set a script to commit my entire home dir at 6am every day or something? |
| 01:59.44 | karsten | error403: Not sure, I don't do that ;-) |
| 01:59.48 | error403 | heh |
| 01:59.49 | black_Nightmare | spdf..not much but it could be nice to have a short list of different res like 800x600/72Hz for use on my and most other crts but having 1024x768 and 1240x1024 options to select instead for a friend's lcd etc |
| 02:00.03 | black_Nightmare | not really necessary thou |
| 02:00.06 | bbrazil | error403: what we do is a 'cvs -n -q up /etc' every night as a cron job |
| 02:00.07 | error403 | I think my best bet would be a tar + scp'ing scripts... |
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| 02:00.19 | black_Nightmare | I always could just configure things to either use my own crt or any friends' tv altogether..probably easiest way heh |
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| 02:00.42 | spdf | black_Nightmare, You shouldn't have a problem configuring different monitors.. Perhaps making seperate configs would be best, and swap them when you're using the lcd.. |
| 02:00.53 | error403 | bbrazil, i see what you mean... |
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| 02:01.29 | bbrazil | error403: doing an auto cvs-ci is going to lose logs |
| 02:01.45 | error403 | hmmm |
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| 02:02.21 | netcatc | fernando: did you use lspci for show your name VIDEO? |
| 02:02.23 | black_Nightmare | ty anyhow spdf..I'll consider that idea one day when I'm finished setting up the system for first time at home (and installing distro too heh) and want to start taking it to other houses :) |
| 02:02.39 | spdf | black_Nightmare, good plan |
| 02:02.47 | abrotman | dswanson1: what desktop/window manager did you want to use? |
| 02:02.57 | Linux_whore | how come the command ps or jobs does not show that i am running opera webbrowser or some other software |
| 02:03.07 | abrotman | ps aux |
| 02:03.24 | dswanson1 | gnome || whatever sarge defaults to |
| 02:03.31 | abrotman | sarge has no default |
| 02:03.41 | dswanson1 | i like gnome |
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| 02:03.43 | abrotman | dswanson1: apt-get install gnome x-window-system gdm menu |
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| 02:05.24 | dswanson1 | abrotman: only 6 hours of downloading left |
| 02:05.31 | abrotman | dswanson1: is that all ? |
| 02:05.32 | fernando | netcatc it don't show, but i use the i810 under, ubuntu, gentoo, slackware (xorg) |
| 02:05.41 | abrotman | dswanson1: aren't you on a cable modem? |
| 02:05.52 | dswanson1 | abrotman: i effin hate dial-up |
| 02:05.58 | abrotman | dswanson1: say what? |
| 02:05.59 | dswanson1 | i'm poor |
| 02:06.02 | deonya | oooo dialup |
| 02:06.06 | abrotman | dswanson1: hit ctrl-c .. kill it |
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| 02:06.18 | abrotman | dswanson1: i thought you had cable .. i'll give you one with less to download |
| 02:06.19 | dswanson1 | k |
| 02:06.40 | abrotman | dswanson1: let me know when it's dead |
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| 02:06.55 | dswanson1 | it is... one question first... |
| 02:07.04 | abrotman | wax on .. wax off! |
| 02:07.36 | dswanson1 | i thought sarge had already downloaded those packages... would it have told me if it had already existed? |
| 02:07.37 | abrotman | dswanson1: and ? |
| 02:07.51 | abrotman | dswanson1: it would just not download them if it already had them |
| 02:07.56 | abrotman | dswanson1: anyways .. |
| 02:08.26 | abrotman | dswanson1: apt-get install x-window-system-core gdm gnome-core menu .. that wil get you a bare minimum gnome |
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| 02:08.58 | dswanson1 | the one time i did get to a graphical login, it was a gnome login... the only problem was lack of keyboard and mouse |
| 02:09.14 | Linux_whore | How can I get SSL/TSL support in links2. I am using links2 with gui, but that might not matter. |
| 02:09.18 | abrotman | dswanson1: but you don't even have a XF config file |
| 02:09.43 | dswanson1 | i DID until i ran dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 02:09.58 | dswanson1 | NOW i don't :) |
| 02:10.03 | abrotman | dswanson1: dpkg -l xserver-xfree86 | tail -1 |
| 02:10.38 | dswanson1 | ok |
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| 02:11.12 | dswanson1 | abrotman: it gave me a shell prompt |
| 02:11.38 | abrotman | dswanson1: it should give you a line |
| 02:11.51 | dswanson1 | oops... missed the 1 |
| 02:11.55 | dswanson1 | ii xserver-xfree8 4.3.0.dfsg.1-1 the XFree86 X server |
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| 02:12.11 | abrotman | dswanson1: ok . then let's try this again :) |
| 02:12.20 | abrotman | dswanson1: touch /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 02:12.34 | abrotman | dswanson1: md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum |
| 02:12.36 | dswanson1 | abrotman has the patience of a saint, people! |
| 02:12.42 | abrotman | dswanson1: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:13.00 | Dewi | somebody tell dpkg to tell me how to reconfigure mail |
| 02:13.07 | abrotman | which mail ? |
| 02:13.16 | Dewi | default - sarge - which is exim4 right? |
| 02:13.26 | abrotman | Dewi: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 02:13.45 | Dewi | incidentally, is there a way to get a list of all installed packages? |
| 02:13.50 | abrotman | dpkg -l |
| 02:13.54 | Dewi | cool. |
| 02:13.55 | abrotman | that's an L .. |
| 02:14.03 | Dewi | yeah |
| 02:14.14 | Dewi | that'll make it easier to guess what to reconfigure next time :P |
| 02:14.27 | abrotman | ah ok |
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| 02:14.53 | dswanson1 | abrotman:... ok, i have the XF file again... |
| 02:14.59 | abrotman | i bet you do |
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| 02:15.36 | abrotman | vmcalvin! |
| 02:15.37 | dswanson1 | X reports "no screens found" like always... grrrr |
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| 02:15.54 | deonya | apt-get is broken |
| 02:16.04 | abrotman | dswanson1: look for the EE line in /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 02:16.10 | abrotman | deonya: it is not! |
| 02:16.28 | deonya | on this comp it is |
| 02:16.38 | vmhobbes | =) |
| 02:16.41 | abrotman | broken how ? |
| 02:16.45 | amphi | abrotman: sid |
| 02:16.51 | deonya | dependencies |
| 02:16.53 | abrotman | sid has broken apt-get ? |
| 02:16.59 | deonya | it says it need initscripts but will not install i |
| 02:17.00 | deonya | t |
| 02:17.02 | fernando | abrotman have you experience with i810 graphics problem in sarg (stable) ? (EE) I810(0): No valid FB address in PCI config space |
| 02:17.17 | abrotman | fernando: no .. and i use the i810 driver :) |
| 02:17.25 | abrotman | fernando: but i don't use FB either |
| 02:17.27 | dswanson1 | abrotman: "(EE) No devices detected. |
| 02:17.29 | dswanson1 | " |
| 02:17.39 | abrotman | dswanson1: what kind of devices do you have ? |
| 02:18.00 | amphi | abrotman: he's using sid, is what I meant |
| 02:18.07 | dswanson1 | i need you to help me with that question |
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| 02:18.24 | abrotman | dswanson1: lspci | grep -i vga |
| 02:18.28 | fernando | abrotman i don't have FB in config |
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| 02:18.47 | abrotman | fernando: i've never seen that error .. see if google has a clue |
| 02:19.18 | hawking | This --> "debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso" is the name of a minimum install cd right? |
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| 02:19.24 | dswanson1 | abrotman: what devices would you like me to tell you about? |
| 02:19.32 | fernando | abrotman google don't have much help too |
| 02:19.40 | abrotman | dswanson1: how many are there ? |
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| 02:20.21 | dswanson1 | abrotman: treat me like an idiot, because your question leaves me feeling like one |
| 02:20.36 | welson | shouldn't /etc/alternatives be in the PATH, or at least symlinks from /usr/bin to it ? |
| 02:20.39 | abrotman | dswanson1: lspci | grep -i vga .. how many do you get ? |
| 02:20.56 | hawking | anyone saw my questiob? I want to start downloading and sleep it is too late here |
| 02:21.12 | dswanson1 | 0000:00:08.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. 86c764/765 [Trio32/64/64V+] |
| 02:21.18 | abrotman | fernando: is there any other EE line ? |
| 02:21.23 | doleyb | hawking: yes, anything with "netinst" is minimal, but it won't take long to dl |
| 02:21.26 | abrotman | dswanson1: i thought you said it was in vmware ? |
| 02:21.36 | dswanson1 | it is |
| 02:21.44 | abrotman | vmware picks S3 to emulate ? |
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| 02:21.51 | fernando | abrotman (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. after the FB error |
| 02:21.59 | dswanson1 | i have an intel graphics controller |
| 02:22.04 | abrotman | fernando: yeah .. the first one is the real problem |
| 02:22.05 | hawking | doleyb: so I can burn it to a normal cd and install right? in the page it says bussiness cards or smth I am just confused |
| 02:22.18 | abrotman | dswanson1: yes .. but doesn't vwmare let you pick what kind of video card to emulate ? |
| 02:22.23 | dswanson1 | abrotman: apparently |
| 02:22.25 | doleyb | it will work on a normal cd, or a tiny cut-down cd, because it only < 200 meg (lot less) |
| 02:22.31 | dswanson1 | no |
| 02:22.36 | abrotman | dswanson1: i will tell you .. do NOT try to emulate S3 |
| 02:22.38 | abrotman | !s3 |
| 02:22.38 | dpkg | Tried, tested, and reliable cards.</sarcasm>, or <abrotman> the cards suck ..bad .. like waking up next to your mother after a hard night of drinking <pipeline> I disagree. ... It's more like coming-to ON TOP of your mother. |
| 02:22.39 | hawking | doleyb : thank you so much |
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| 02:23.02 | spdf | Haha.. Gross. |
| 02:23.14 | abrotman | dswanson1: those cards especailly that model .. are nearly impossible to get working |
| 02:23.26 | dswanson1 | abrotman: i'm screwed, aren't I? |
| 02:23.28 | abrotman | dswanson1: you can try choosing the vesa driver |
| 02:23.33 | abrotman | that's all i can say |
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| 02:24.22 | dswanson1 | bill gates has screwed me again ( )*( ) <== very sore and abused |
| 02:24.23 | thingfish | hehe cute |
| 02:24.47 | abrotman | dswanson1: no . it's vmware |
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| 02:25.24 | dswanson1 | ok... i'll choose a different server... i was assuming i810 for my intel card |
| 02:25.45 | abrotman | dswanson1: nah .. it's whatever vmware gives you .. not what windows has |
| 02:26.03 | dswanson1 | abrotman: so i see |
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| 02:26.24 | abrotman | dswanson1: maybe ask #vmware .. see if they can tell you how to emulate something other than S3 |
| 02:26.52 | dswanson1 | it's microsoft vmware |
| 02:27.32 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 02:27.39 | abrotman | i have no idea about MS VirtualPC |
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| 02:27.58 | dswanson1 | ooooo... new (EE) lines |
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| 02:28.20 | abrotman | do we get to know what they are ? |
| 02:28.37 | dswanson1 | (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice |
| 02:28.38 | dswanson1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:28.38 | dswanson1 | (EE) Configured Mouse: cannot open input device |
| 02:28.38 | dswanson1 | (EE) PreInit failed for input device "Configured Mouse" |
| 02:28.38 | dswanson1 | No core pointer |
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| 02:28.47 | abrotman | vmware sucks :) |
| 02:28.53 | abrotman | or rather .. virtualPC |
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| 02:29.04 | abrotman | dswanson1: sorry .. i didn't realize there were so many |
| 02:29.09 | dswanson1 | oops |
| 02:29.20 | dswanson1 | #flood? |
| 02:29.21 | abrotman | dswanson1: dmesg | grep -i mouse |
| 02:29.25 | abrotman | nah .. i got enough of it |
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| 02:30.33 | dswanson1 | "dmesg | grep -i mouse" gave me a # |
| 02:30.39 | magyar | what is this "/etc/init.d/hotplug-net" used for? |
| 02:31.09 | abrotman | dswanson1: does VirtualPC emulate a mouse for you ? |
| 02:31.22 | dswanson1 | lol... probably |
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| 02:31.50 | dswanson1 | it does... no info, no options |
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| 02:33.19 | abrotman | dswanson1: modprobe psmouse |
| 02:33.33 | abrotman | and modprobe mousedev |
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| 02:33.41 | some_dude | !b-e some_dude |
| 02:33.41 | dpkg | some_dude: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 02:34.18 | abrotman | !cookie |
| 02:34.26 | abrotman | hehehe |
| 02:34.32 | ciphernaut | with hotplug usb-storage device, what is involved in mapping the drive to /dev/vd* instead of /dev/sd* ? |
| 02:34.34 | dswanson1 | modprobe mousedev: "mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice |
| 02:34.35 | cookiecaper | There are a lot of packages that I'm supposed to upgrade on debian etch! Was there like two hundred packages updated in testing last night or did a sarge source sneak in? |
| 02:34.51 | abrotman | dswanson1: try to start gdm again |
| 02:34.52 | bob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:35.03 | abrotman | dswanson1: /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 02:35.11 | some_dude | linux is lots of fun, but nude chicks are more |
| 02:35.13 | abrotman | bob2: i dont' have one of those! |
| 02:35.20 | bob2 | hah |
| 02:35.25 | bob2 | you're not trying hard enough then |
| 02:35.30 | abrotman | i'm too lazy! |
| 02:35.31 | thingfish | hehe |
| 02:35.46 | bob2 | cookiecaper: sarge < etch |
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| 02:36.06 | cookiecaper | bob2, I know. I have an etch distribution. It wants to upgrade 200-some packages. |
| 02:36.28 | bob2 | cookiecaper: that seems fine if you haven't upgraded for a few day |
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| 02:36.37 | cookiecaper | I suspect that that's weird. I just want to verify that that many packages need upgrading to keep my thing at etch |
| 02:36.45 | abrotman | cookiecaper: i got about 50 today .. and i last did it on monday |
| 02:37.01 | cookiecaper | abrotman, okay. I think I haven't run it since Saturday, so I guess this is normal. |
| 02:37.14 | dswanson1 | abrotman: that kinda worked |
| 02:37.18 | ciphernaut | would adding in |
| 02:37.19 | abrotman | define kinda |
| 02:37.21 | cookiecaper | Thanks for the help guys. Other times it's only been two or three so this surprised me |
| 02:37.25 | bob2 | cookiecaper: when sid isn't broken, testing get as many things updated each day as sid |
| 02:37.28 | ciphernaut | would adding in |
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| 02:37.31 | ciphernaut | doh |
| 02:37.32 | bob2 | which is lots |
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| 02:37.43 | dswanson1 | i have a scrambled debian logo about a mile wide |
| 02:37.52 | abrotman | yay S3!!! |
| 02:37.58 | sanxiyn | !httpdtype www.gnusolaris.org |
| 02:37.59 | cookiecaper | bob2, okay, thank you. I'm downloading the upgrades now. THanks a lot guys. |
| 02:38.08 | ciphernaut | would adding in block.agent still be the go for a sarge install? |
| 02:38.16 | shik45 | kanotix owns solaris |
| 02:38.35 | dswanson1 | what vulcan neck-pinch key combo kills this mess? |
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| 02:38.38 | sanxiyn | Hm, httpdtype doesn't work? |
| 02:38.41 | abrotman | shik45: on what planet ? |
| 02:38.48 | abrotman | sanxiyn: netcraft.com ? |
| 02:39.00 | shik45 | abrotman: have u used Kanotix |
| 02:39.04 | abrotman | dswanson1: ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 02:39.07 | sanxiyn | abrotman: Telnet told me, |
| 02:39.09 | sanxiyn | Server: Apache/2.0.54 (Ubuntu) DAV/2 SVN/1.2.0 PHP/4.4.0-3gnusol1 |
| 02:39.10 | abrotman | !tell shik45 about u |
| 02:39.11 | sanxiyn | Interesting. |
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| 02:39.33 | abrotman | shik45: why would i use such garbage ? |
| 02:39.41 | shik45 | lol u kidding |
| 02:39.43 | shik45 | it doms |
| 02:39.56 | abrotman | do you always speak like a moron? |
| 02:40.00 | dswanson1 | ok... we left thet on tty7, right? |
| 02:40.06 | abrotman | dswanson1: yes |
| 02:40.23 | bob2 | shik45: done? |
| 02:40.35 | shik45 | bob2: stfu |
| 02:40.37 | dswanson1 | incorrect monitor sync settings? |
| 02:40.41 | abrotman | yay .. stupid people on #debian! |
| 02:40.47 | sanxiyn | abrotman: This is their announcement of GNU/Solaris "pilot program" |
| 02:40.49 | abrotman | dswanson1: doubtful .. but it's something to try |
| 02:40.50 | sanxiyn | abrotman: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=13711 |
| 02:40.56 | abrotman | sanxiyn: i read ... |
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| 02:41.00 | dswanson1 | hmmm... |
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| 02:41.06 | sanxiyn | Well, I wonder why they don't mention Ubuntu at all. |
| 02:41.14 | sanxiyn | As Server: string shows, it's based on Ubuntu, not Debian. |
| 02:41.29 | abrotman | sanxiyn: perhaps just the ubuntu apache package ? |
| 02:41.31 | bob2 | I tried to ask for an account so I could view their website |
| 02:41.36 | bob2 | so they replied with more marketing crap |
| 02:41.37 | sanxiyn | Oh, that's possible too. |
| 02:41.47 | sanxiyn | bob2: Hah. |
| 02:42.02 | bob2 | I don't think gnusolaris is really worth taking seriously |
| 02:42.12 | sanxiyn | I sent a mail too... ph1sh3d? :( |
| 02:42.14 | bob2 | unless they actually show themselves to have a lot of clue |
| 02:42.34 | abrotman | it might be if it were based on debian .. but .. TBH .. i don't view Solaris as Bleeding Edge .. so why would i want it based on ubuntu ? |
| 02:42.44 | abrotman | based on debian == based on sarge i suppose |
| 02:42.51 | bob2 | also, bah CDDL |
| 02:42.57 | abrotman | again? |
| 02:43.11 | sanxiyn | Unfortunately, I couldn't understand much of CDDL vs DFSG discussion on debian-legal. |
| 02:43.20 | bob2 | I will bah at it until people fuck off and stop inventing new GPL-incompatible licenses |
| 02:43.42 | sanxiyn | Is CDDL non-free? (I accept that it's GPL-incompatible.) |
| 02:44.09 | bob2 | everyone seems to agree it' free |
| 02:44.32 | abrotman | sanxiyn: it's at least beer-free |
| 02:45.22 | sanxiyn | bob2: Except those people on http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2005/09/threads.html thread? |
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| 02:45.59 | bob2 | ah |
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| 02:47.04 | sanxiyn | This situation sucks because some of dev.java.net-hosted Java packages are licensed under CDDL, or plan to switch. |
| 02:48.13 | sanxiyn | e.g. https://jaxb.dev.java.net/ |
| 02:48.18 | sanxiyn | Licenses: Common Development and Distribution License. |
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| 02:49.41 | stew | hah, a client just called me asking if i could create an ultra secure ftp account for him |
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| 02:50.08 | dswanson1 | abrotman: semi-success! i have screen and keyboard, but it looks like MSVM gives me no mouse integration yet |
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| 02:50.10 | sanxiyn | stew: Use SRP? |
| 02:50.37 | Tortel | Goodnight all! |
| 02:50.38 | abrotman | dswanson1: you have to hve the psmouse and mousedev modules loaded |
| 02:50.56 | sanxiyn | stew: SRP(Secure Remote Password) is a deep math magic, that enables *secure* Telnet and FTP. No, I'm not joking. |
| 02:51.07 | dswanson1 | i get a mouse pointer, but i think this is 100% MS VM problem |
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| 02:51.18 | abrotman | stew: ultra secure ? .. is this different than the Super Secure FTP ? |
| 02:51.29 | stew | sanxiyn: unless it works in a IE browser window, he isnt interested, as it turns out, he just wanted it to be chrooted to ~ |
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| 02:51.58 | cookiecaper | Woohoo! I didn't realize that all of these updated packages were KDE 3.4. I'm happy to see it finally made it to etch. |
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| 02:52.51 | dvs | Why the heck does etch want to remove k3b? |
| 02:52.53 | sanxiyn | stew: SRP is an interesting read anyway. http://srp.stanford.edu/ |
| 02:53.23 | abrotman | dvs: because it's time for k3b to go! |
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| 02:53.31 | abrotman | dswanson1: no luck ? |
| 02:53.33 | dvs | abrotman: bite your tougue!! |
| 02:53.38 | abrotman | dvs: arson! |
| 02:53.39 | stew | sanxiyn: cool, i'll check it out |
| 02:53.42 | abrotman | dvs: gnomebaker! |
| 02:53.47 | abrotman | !info arson sid |
| 02:53.49 | dvs | bah! |
| 02:53.52 | dvs | Inferior! |
| 02:53.55 | stew | dvs: its part of the kde transition |
| 02:54.10 | dvs | stew: Transition to what? Will it come back? |
| 02:54.15 | abrotman | hpefully not |
| 02:54.16 | sanxiyn | "...remains secure when attackers 1) have complete knowledge of protocol 2) can eavesdrop all communication 3) can forge arbitrary message" |
| 02:54.22 | bob2 | dvs: yes |
| 02:54.24 | stew | dvs: transition to kde3.4, it will come back in a few weeks |
| 02:54.29 | abrotman | dvs: the C++ transition that's been going on for .. months ? |
| 02:54.36 | stew | dvs: /msg dpkg why is k3b not in testing |
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| 02:54.54 | foo | I am trying to setup a network printer ... trying to get linux to print to windows xp home ... here is the error: "Unable to connect to SAMBA host, will retry in 60 seconds...ERROR: Connection failed with error NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME" |
| 02:54.55 | bob2 | dvs: some things have been removed from testing so other things can come in from sid. they'll be back soon, once they filter in fro msid again. |
| 02:55.04 | dpkg | arson: (KDE frontend for burning CDs), section otherosfs, is extra. Version: 0.9.8beta2-4.1 (sid), Packaged size: 516 kB, Installed size: 1720 kB |
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| 02:55.22 | abrotman | !info arson etch |
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| 02:56.33 | dpkg | arson: (KDE frontend for burning CDs), section otherosfs, is extra. Version: 0.9.8beta2-4.1 (etch), Packaged size: 516 kB, Installed size: 1720 kB |
| 02:56.34 | dxklhpmv | hello all |
| 02:56.50 | Lanix | i have a problem with evolution , i had a list of contact and know is gone ?? when i right an email and hit on To: normaly the list would pop up so i can chose a email but is not there any more , can some one tell me what whent rong ? |
| 02:57.01 | abrotman | dvs: try arson! |
| 02:57.05 | sanxiyn | bob2: Aha! Nexenta guys sent a slightly different announcement to ubuntu-devel. :( |
| 02:57.08 | sanxiyn | bob2: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-November/012745.html |
| 02:57.22 | sanxiyn | "Special thanks to the Ubuntu developers! Ubuntu is a state-of-the-art distribution!" (This is omitted in all other announcements) |
| 02:57.26 | stew | dvs: do you run k3b |
| 02:57.27 | dvs | abrotman: I would but my neighbours might get upset at me. ;-) |
| 02:57.30 | stew | err |
| 02:57.33 | stew | do you run kde? |
| 02:57.37 | abrotman | dvs: arson! |
| 02:57.38 | dvs | stew: Yup |
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| 02:58.31 | stew | dvs: well you have to decide on a new kde with no k3b or put k3b (and the rest of kde with it) on hold until the transition is over |
| 02:58.50 | dvs | stew: I'll hold it |
| 02:58.57 | Linux_whore | What should I do to get this to work? http://pastebin.com/415585 |
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| 02:59.17 | stew | dvs: you could also likely get the new k3b and cherry pick the k3b from sid |
| 02:59.29 | abrotman | dvs: arson! |
| 02:59.34 | enveezee | ow, tripping over a radiator hurts :P |
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| 03:00.10 | dvs | abrotman: I am a law-abiding citizen. I will not try arson |
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| 03:00.26 | abrotman | dvs: arson .. |
| 03:00.27 | voloko | Linux_whore: try to check wxwindow library instalation |
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| 03:00.56 | voloko | Linux_whore: wxwindos.org |
| 03:01.05 | voloko | Linux_whore: wxwindows.org |
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| 03:01.21 | abrotman | voloko: wrong |
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| 03:01.37 | abrotman | !find wx-config sarge |
| 03:02.02 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'wx-config' (1): (/usr/share/apps/kdevappwizard/template-common/wx-configure.in) in kde/kdevelop3-data. |
| 03:02.16 | abrotman | wtf |
| 03:02.22 | tawfik | How do I open Multimedia Streams over the internet, for example I want to open a live Tv broadcast, it pops Totem, which says "Totem could not play 'mms://berkano.tvr.ro/tvrlive'. |
| 03:02.22 | tawfik | There is no plugin to handle this movie." |
| 03:02.23 | bob2 | sanxiyn: hah |
| 03:02.31 | tawfik | What should I do to fix this? |
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| 03:02.52 | tawfik | the transmission is in a Windows Media Player format |
| 03:02.56 | abrotman | bob2: ? |
| 03:03.10 | bob2 | abrotman: asking about compiling a windows root kit on ubuntu |
| 03:03.18 | bob2 | also been removed from #ubuntu for the same reason |
| 03:03.18 | amphi | tawfik: install mplayer and the w32codecs perhaps |
| 03:03.21 | abrotman | bob2: he was here earlier too |
| 03:03.31 | bob2 | ugh |
| 03:03.33 | abrotman | i didn't pay attention to what he was compiling :) |
| 03:03.34 | tawfik | amphi: I already did that |
| 03:03.49 | amphi | tawfik: dunno then, I don't know much about MS codecs |
| 03:03.55 | voloko | something like bo2k |
| 03:04.15 | tawfik | amphi: ok, can you reffer me to someone? |
| 03:04.35 | amphi | tawfik: google? ;) |
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| 03:07.35 | tawfik | amphi: Any more direct mean? (please) ;) |
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| 03:08.40 | tawfik | amphi: do you know where I could an ASF codec? |
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| 03:09.50 | debian_xx88 | hello all |
| 03:09.54 | amphi | tawfik: no, 'fraid not |
| 03:10.03 | debian_xx88 | How to backup system ? |
| 03:10.12 | abrotman | to what .. ? |
| 03:10.30 | debian_xx88 | full backup . |
| 03:10.31 | Nurbs | tawfik: mplayer should do .asf, though |
| 03:10.40 | dvs | debian_xx88: What device? |
| 03:11.13 | debian_xx88 | Now I use debian install for my server & I install web , mail server. |
| 03:11.19 | abrotman | tawfik: get the w32codecs package from marillat |
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| 03:12.08 | n3rd^s_woman | Mp3z [Bloodhound Gang - The Bad Touch.mp3] (4mins 21secs/128 kbps/3.97MB) |
| 03:12.19 | abrotman | n3rd^s_woman: turn it off |
| 03:12.43 | dvs | abrotman: Don't like that song? |
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| 03:12.51 | abrotman | dvs: they're from philly! :) |
| 03:12.59 | dvs | abrotman: Figures! |
| 03:13.09 | abrotman | dvs: hooray for boobies ? :) |
| 03:13.15 | n3rd^s_woman | haw |
| 03:13.28 | dswanson1 | abrotman: you are the man! |
| 03:13.29 | tawfik | abrotman, I believe I have already done that |
| 03:13.39 | abrotman | dswanson1: ? |
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| 03:13.49 | abrotman | tawfik: ok .. my totem plays asf .. |
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| 03:13.57 | abrotman | though .. it might depends which totem you have |
| 03:13.58 | dswanson1 | i have X with keyboard and mouse |
| 03:13.58 | Nurbs | my mplayer, does, too. |
| 03:14.04 | bleu_qc | hi |
| 03:14.05 | abrotman | ie ..xine vs gstreamer |
| 03:14.09 | dswanson1 | i owe you that beer |
| 03:14.20 | abrotman | dswanson1: sly fox! |
| 03:14.21 | n3rd^s_woman | mmmmmmmmm beer. |
| 03:14.57 | dswanson1 | abrotman: this is awesome... a million thanks |
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| 03:15.07 | abrotman | dswanson1: enjoy! |
| 03:15.34 | dswanson1 | i will... let me know when you want that beer :) |
| 03:15.53 | kuhwallskee | I'm using debian-stable, and I'm using AfterStep as a window manager and I'm trying to figure out how I should edit my menu files. I know debian uses that menu thing so that it can keep a menu... but I want to add to it, anyone have any ideas. |
| 03:15.58 | abrotman | dswanson1: every day ... :) |
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| 03:16.08 | dswanson1 | lol |
| 03:16.18 | stew | !beer abrotman |
| 03:16.24 | abrotman | mmm |
| 03:16.58 | bleu_qc | when i install debian i install the base then the package x-window-system then gnome but i doesnt work and i dont know why you have a idea? |
| 03:17.14 | n3rd^s_woman | Mp3z [comedy - Full Metal Jacket - Drill Sergeant.mp3] (6mins 1sec/67 kbps/2.88MB) |
| 03:17.20 | abrotman | kuhwallskee: i don't remember if you can |
| 03:17.21 | Nurbs | argh. |
| 03:17.24 | abrotman | n3rd^s_woman: turn it off |
| 03:17.29 | n3rd^s_woman | it? |
| 03:17.32 | abrotman | n3rd^s_woman: we don't care what you're listening too |
| 03:17.34 | abrotman | er to |
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| 03:17.42 | bleu_qc | because i just want gnome and nothing else what is the best way to do it? |
| 03:17.52 | Nurbs | bleu_qc: what does not work? |
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| 03:17.59 | abrotman | bleu_qc: apt-get install x-window-system-core gnome gdm menu |
| 03:18.12 | Nurbs | menu? |
| 03:18.27 | abrotman | menu |
| 03:18.29 | Nurbs | gnome depends on gdm, too, I think |
| 03:18.30 | abrotman | you know .. the menus |
| 03:18.38 | abrotman | i always do it .. just ot make sure :) |
| 03:18.50 | tawfik | abrotman: sorry for the late response, but can you for example play this TV Broadcast(Romanian Television): mms://berkano.tvr.ro/tvrlive? |
| 03:19.00 | tawfik | correction: mms://berkano.tvr.ro/tvrlive |
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| 03:19.51 | abrotman | tawfik: wtf is mms:// ? |
| 03:19.55 | Nurbs | mhm. never used menu customization |
| 03:19.57 | bleu_qc | and if i do it with aptitude instead of apt-get its still ok,better? |
| 03:20.14 | abrotman | tawfik: no plugin .. try vlc |
| 03:20.15 | tawfik | mms = Multi Media Stream |
| 03:20.26 | tawfik | vlc? |
| 03:20.29 | tawfik | what's that? |
| 03:20.31 | abrotman | !vlc |
| 03:20.32 | dpkg | vlc is, like, the VideoLAN Client. It's a MPEG2 client/server program for broadcasting. It can also be used standalone as an normal MPEG2/DVD player. See http://www.videolan.org, or apt-gettable. |
| 03:20.43 | abrotman | tawfik: it plays some other stuff .. |
| 03:21.00 | nse | does anyone here is using MLDonkey? |
| 03:21.30 | Nurbs | yes, but not the debian packages after having had too much trouble with them |
| 03:21.52 | Nurbs | !tell nse about polls |
| 03:21.56 | tawfik | so, apt-get install vlc should do it? |
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| 03:22.05 | abrotman | tawfik: yeah .. xine can't play it either |
| 03:22.09 | FlyREEL | . |
| 03:22.12 | abrotman | tawfik: it's just something else to try ... |
| 03:22.31 | Nurbs | tawfik: I get connection timeouts with mplayer... I imagine it would work otherwise. |
| 03:23.15 | tawfik | I don't know, btw, vlc is a player? |
| 03:23.21 | tawfik | ok |
| 03:23.23 | tawfik | thanks |
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| 03:23.28 | tawfik | I thought it was a codec |
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| 03:24.56 | ciphernaut | any hotplug hackers about? |
| 03:25.01 | abrotman | !ask |
| 03:25.02 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 03:25.21 | enveezee | I smell banananas |
| 03:25.31 | enveezee | that word feels like it never ends |
| 03:25.35 | enveezee | bananananana |
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| 03:25.40 | abrotman | banananananananans |
| 03:25.46 | abrotman | enveezee: when is work ? |
| 03:26.00 | enveezee | 23:30 same time different day |
| 03:26.08 | abrotman | mmm |
| 03:26.10 | abrotman | !ssdd |
| 03:26.11 | dpkg | from memory, ssdd is Same Shit Different Day |
| 03:26.13 | tawfik | abrotman & Nurbs: vlc says " main input error: no suitable access module for `mms://berkano.tvr.ro/tvrlive'" |
| 03:26.24 | enveezee | payday. my check will be here when I get home |
| 03:26.25 | abrotman | tawfik: maybe it's ... actually not there? |
| 03:26.55 | abrotman | enveezee: then what ? |
| 03:27.26 | nse | thanks Nurbs! |
| 03:27.30 | ciphernaut | i suspect that I might be able to add/modify /etc/hotplug/scsi_host.agent to force a usb-hdd to be mapped to something other than /dev/sd*. Where can i find out what is supposed to go into this fle |
| 03:27.37 | Nurbs | eh? :) |
| 03:27.43 | enveezee | abrotman: doit again |
| 03:27.50 | enveezee | same shit |
| 03:27.51 | abrotman | !do enveezee |
| 03:28.17 | abrotman | ciphernaut: why does it matter ? |
| 03:28.21 | abrotman | ciphernaut: and afaik .. you can't |
| 03:28.29 | abrotman | that's the kernel making that mapping |
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| 03:28.55 | tawfik | abrotman: I guess it's not for linux |
| 03:29.03 | abrotman | tawfik: the stream? |
| 03:29.05 | tawfik | it would've been nice to watch it though |
| 03:29.23 | abrotman | tawfik: i've played ASF files .. but dunno about mms |
| 03:29.29 | ciphernaut | abrotman: I want to use the external hdd for backup (setup with autofs and rsnapshot), and I dont want it to clash with the root drive which as a sata |
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| 03:29.46 | abrotman | tawfik: as a matter of fact .. i have one on my desktop |
| 03:29.50 | tawfik | abrotman: the stream (the main page) says it is for Windows Media Player, but I thought I could play it using win32codecs, apparently I was wrong |
| 03:29.51 | abrotman | tawfik: and it plays |
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| 03:30.09 | abrotman | ciphernaut: clash how ? |
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| 03:31.18 | ciphernaut | abrotman: if an additional sata drive is added down the track, the last thing I want to happen is my backup script hosing that drive |
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| 03:31.52 | Nurbs_ | ciphernaut: I'd suggest using udev rules to identify the drives and give them readable names. |
| 03:32.01 | abrotman | ciphernaut: oh .. i gotcha .. i think you can make hotplug make an alias in /dev/ for it .. based on the device ID |
| 03:32.44 | ciphernaut | abrotman: so i figure if the usb devicces are in a different name space, i can insure that this wont happen |
| 03:32.48 | Nurbs_ | .oO( or don't use udev but hotplug, yes ) |
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| 03:33.19 | abrotman | ciphernaut: i think they are being moved .. but not sure when |
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| 03:34.38 | ciphernaut | abrotman: the samples I have found on the net are backdated at leat 18 months, though turning on debugging in hotplug still tries to call some of these scripts |
| 03:34.46 | MrXerox | Got a problem guys....had kde desktop going fine and then did a apt-get install xlibs-dev to get some libs I needed for a package and now when I reboot, my xwindows is fubared...any clues for a fix? |
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| 03:35.47 | dmack | i wish to know how to add extra hatd dtrives |
| 03:35.59 | dmack | i have 7 to add |
| 03:36.26 | ciphernaut | the last script that is tried to run is /etc/hotplug/scsi_host.agent (!exist) before it is passed to usb-storage, where it is assigned sdb |
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| 03:37.58 | abrotman | ciphernaut: you were given a few things to follow up on ... |
| 03:38.14 | ciphernaut | ok cheers |
| 03:38.40 | dmack | hard drive format??? how di |
| 03:38.55 | bob2 | dmack: what are you trying to do? |
| 03:39.08 | abrotman | add 7 drives! |
| 03:39.20 | dmack | ya |
| 03:39.30 | dmack | i have one with boot on it |
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| 03:39.44 | dmack | now i have extras to add and well i dono |
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| 03:40.09 | Nurbs_ | ciphernaut: it's your choice if you want to use udev, but if you do a rule like BUS="usb", KERNEL="sd[a-z]2", SYSFS{idVendor}="04b4", SYSFS{idProduct}="6830", SYMLINK="backup" ... can do |
| 03:40.43 | abrotman | showoff |
| 03:41.06 | Nurbs_ | no, I'm trying to convince people to use bleeding edge experimental software ;) |
| 03:41.20 | abrotman | Nurbs: no worries .. it will be rammed down thier throats |
| 03:41.41 | Nurbs_ | and I really love the simplicity... :) |
| 03:42.00 | abrotman | my hotplug was removed today |
| 03:42.22 | Nurbs_ | why? |
| 03:42.26 | abrotman | ask Md ... |
| 03:42.49 | abrotman | in order to upgrade udev .. had to remove hotplug |
| 03:42.54 | Nurbs_ | ah, yes. |
| 03:43.55 | abrotman | !beer me |
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| 03:46.41 | djtravtrav | how can i save my sources.list? |
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| 03:47.58 | abrotman | save? |
| 03:48.02 | djtravtrav | yeah |
| 03:48.09 | djtravtrav | im trying to edit my sources list |
| 03:48.17 | djtravtrav | and it wont show me the commands to save and quit |
| 03:48.20 | abrotman | now did you edit them ? |
| 03:48.25 | djtravtrav | yeah |
| 03:48.29 | djtravtrav | i did |
| 03:48.30 | abrotman | what command did you type to edit them |
| 03:48.34 | djtravtrav | apt-setup |
| 03:48.35 | abrotman | s/now/how |
| 03:48.42 | abrotman | djtravtrav: it already saved them |
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| 03:48.54 | djtravtrav | how do i exit then in the terminal? |
| 03:49.05 | stew | djtravtrav: type "esc" then "ZZ" |
| 03:49.14 | abrotman | no .. he's not in vi .. i don't hinkt |
| 03:49.27 | HarryL | ctrl-z |
| 03:49.28 | stew | it was worth a shot |
| 03:49.42 | stew | if hes in apt-setup and can't find a way out... |
| 03:49.53 | abrotman | stew: paper bag ? |
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| 03:50.30 | djtravtrav | those commands arent working |
| 03:50.33 | stew | abrotman: i'm guessing he did the "edit sources by hand" and ended up in vi |
| 03:50.45 | abrotman | djtravtrav: what are you looking at right now ? |
| 03:50.46 | djtravtrav | i am stew |
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| 03:50.58 | djtravtrav | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:51.00 | abrotman | oh .. it uses nano or vi ? |
| 03:51.05 | stew | djtravtrav: hit "esc" then ":wq" |
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| 03:51.19 | djtravtrav | include the ":" ? |
| 03:51.21 | stew | yes |
| 03:51.22 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:51.28 | abrotman | !echo |
| 03:51.29 | dpkg | ECHO...ECHo...ECho...Echo...echo...cho...ho...o....... |
| 03:51.35 | stew | !be vi barbie |
| 03:51.36 | dpkg | Pressing Escape is HARD! |
| 03:51.43 | abrotman | !be stew barbie |
| 03:51.50 | abrotman | :( |
| 03:51.51 | djtravtrav | thx |
| 03:51.55 | abrotman | !be astew barbie |
| 03:51.58 | abrotman | !be a stew barbie |
| 03:51.59 | dpkg | Aww, stew is hard! Let's go shopping, abrotman |
| 03:52.10 | stew | uhh |
| 03:52.12 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:52.39 | stew | i guess ZZ is a vim not nvi command |
| 03:52.50 | caphuso | stew: wrong guess |
| 03:52.52 | abrotman | nvi doesn't have much |
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| 03:53.30 | HarryL | sorry, about ctrl-z |
| 03:53.46 | Nurbs_ | export EDITOR=kwrite |
| 03:53.48 | caphuso | abrotman: but it has enough to support the 10 most basic vi commands, including ZZ |
| 03:53.53 | abrotman | does it ? |
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| 03:54.13 | abrotman | i haven't used ZZ since i was writing sparc asm ... |
| 03:54.17 | djtravtrav | stew: thx |
| 03:54.21 | stew | wonder why the ZZ didn't work for him then and :wq did ? |
| 03:54.27 | stew | djtravtrav: you're welcome |
| 03:54.42 | JarJarBinks | I've been chatting with dpkg, but 'he' is rather inpolite... can anybody give me a line for my sources.list which would give me kernel-source-2.6.xx ( debian_version=testing/unstable ) |
| 03:54.42 | caphuso | stew: wrong keyboard layout? |
| 03:54.45 | stew | djtravtrav: you may wanna run "update-alternative --config editor" and choose nano |
| 03:54.46 | k-man | is there a limit to how many files one can have in a directory in ext2fs? |
| 03:54.57 | stew | caphuso: oooh maybe zz instead of ZZ actually |
| 03:54.59 | djtravtrav | how do i switch back to vi? |
| 03:55.05 | abrotman | no .. it's shift-zz |
| 03:55.06 | caphuso | stew: also possible |
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| 03:56.03 | djtravtrav | im just installing my nvidia card =] |
| 03:56.20 | JarJarBinks | in regard to the my questioin I mean: a debian patched kernel source |
| 03:56.47 | djtravtrav | stew: how would i switch back if i dont like it? |
| 03:56.53 | CompWizrd | k-man: it's a very large number, if that helps :) |
| 03:58.23 | abrotman | k-man: good bet it's a power of 2 :) |
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| 03:58.38 | k8to | hi. i'm trying to find the current status of cdrecord and how i'm supposed to be using it. The situation is confused for me, given that there are multiple cdrecord backends, and changes across kernel revs, and patches applied to cdrecord in some linux versions |
| 03:58.57 | k8to | i looked at the wiki faq, but it suggests -scanbus DEV=ATA:, which is not effective |
| 03:59.08 | CompWizrd | i learned the hard way not to to use -i 131072 on an mke2fs for a few very large files, and then later decide to install a program that makes millions of tiny little files.. it took me a very long time to backup 700 gig. |
| 03:59.21 | ciphernaut | abrotman: the closest i can get to it is http://www.greenfly.org/tips/usb_drive.html though I have not found anything relating to a device alias (via hotplug).... |
| 03:59.36 | abrotman | ciphernaut: i think Nurbs_ said to use udev instead |
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| 04:00.26 | abrotman | Nurbs_: is that what you said ? |
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| 04:01.11 | ciphernaut | that is what he hinted.. am looking into that now |
| 04:01.12 | CompWizrd | someone asked on usenet in 2000 about the 39,900 directory limit |
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| 04:01.42 | Nurbs_ | ciphernaut: that's easy, but you'll get a managed /dev, you might not like that. :) |
| 04:02.00 | mhall | How do I print ex. the first 85 chars. of the contents of a file, but without the extra crap inserted by od? |
| 04:02.03 | jlmb | Hi, my network interface is not being properly configured at boot time. I'm using dhcp, dev is wlan0. If I manually set up my routing tables, I get it to work. thanks |
| 04:02.26 | CompWizrd | mhall: what about head? |
| 04:02.36 | mhall | CompWizrd: did not know it did chars |
| 04:02.39 | amphi | jlmb: you have it set up in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 04:02.40 | mhall | CompWizrd: reading manpage now |
| 04:02.44 | CompWizrd | there's an option somewhere in there |
| 04:02.55 | mhall | CompWizrd: sure enough |
| 04:02.58 | mhall | CompWizrd: thanks! |
| 04:02.59 | CompWizrd | -c i think |
| 04:03.01 | jlmb | amphi: yes, iface wlan0 inet dhcp |
| 04:03.09 | CompWizrd | tail would work for the other end, too |
| 04:03.12 | stew | caphuso: /msg dpkg usbkey udev |
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| 04:03.20 | stew | woah, not caphuso |
| 04:03.23 | Nurbs_ | or dd |
| 04:03.24 | CompWizrd | head and tail would let you pick a block of text, with sufficent magic smoke added. |
| 04:03.25 | amphi | jlmb: and ifup wlan0 doesn't set the default gw ? |
| 04:03.26 | stew | and wrong factoid |
| 04:03.35 | stew | ciphernaut: /msg dpkg udev usbkey |
| 04:03.38 | Nurbs_ | mhall: or dd |
| 04:04.04 | mhall | CompWizrd: i'm debugging a tokenizer and it fails at a particular char position in some source |
| 04:04.13 | mhall | CompWizrd: so the idea is to use head to find where it is choking |
| 04:04.20 | jlmb | amphi: No. |
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| 04:04.25 | mhall | CompWizrd: then set up a breakpoint on the proper entrypoint in the fsm code |
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| 04:04.40 | mhall | CompWizrd: and start printing shit out with gdb until the problem is obvious |
| 04:04.43 | mhall | CompWizrd: ;-) |
| 04:05.01 | amphi | jlmb: dhcp server misconfigured? |
| 04:05.20 | k-man | CompWizrd, more than 50,000 files? |
| 04:05.24 | jlmb | amphi: No, just try it with a live cd. |
| 04:05.42 | jlmb | amphi: I'm using ifplugd, wlan0 isn't configured as auto, let me try that. |
| 04:05.51 | CompWizrd | k-man: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.questions/browse_frm/thread/4df5e6bc9a2392bb/d8e55566f8b565ef?lnk=st&q=ext2fs+maximum+files&rnum=4&hl=en#d8e55566f8b565ef |
| 04:06.00 | CompWizrd | that says no limit, just inode count |
| 04:06.06 | CompWizrd | it'll get very slow long before that though |
| 04:06.42 | k-man | ok |
| 04:06.44 | k-man | thanks comp |
| 04:06.45 | Nurbs_ | mhm, is there a fast way to show the number of inodes used for a fs? |
| 04:06.46 | k-man | thanks CompWizrd |
| 04:07.05 | jlmb | amphi: brb |
| 04:07.06 | Kvant | Nurbs_, df -i |
| 04:07.14 | mhall | Nurbs_: yeah df options |
| 04:07.21 | Nurbs_ | Kvant, mhall: thanks :) |
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| 04:08.34 | Nurbs_ | mhm, no inodes on reiser :o) |
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| 04:09.13 | Kvant | Nurbs_, reiser doesn't preallocate inodes |
| 04:09.22 | CompWizrd | i had a directory on our mail server that was about 250k |
| 04:09.27 | CompWizrd | took 12 minutes to rm -rf it |
| 04:09.29 | dan2005 | hi, need help on access on network folder |
| 04:09.29 | Nurbs_ | half a million here, mhm |
| 04:09.33 | CompWizrd | the sendmail mail server states directory |
| 04:09.36 | k8to | reiser shouldn't be able to run out of inodes so |
| 04:09.40 | Nurbs_ | XFS is slow on deleteions, too |
| 04:09.41 | k8to | it isn't a big point of concern |
| 04:10.08 | dan2005 | is there a light alternative for konqueror for accessing share forder? |
| 04:10.11 | bob2 | XFS is really fast at replacing file contents with NULLS after disk crashes, tho |
| 04:10.15 | dan2005 | pls help me on this |
| 04:10.20 | Nurbs_ | bob2: heh |
| 04:10.23 | k8to | dan2005: bash? |
| 04:10.25 | bob2 | dan2005: "share forder"? |
| 04:10.38 | mfrisch | dan2005 bash |
| 04:10.51 | dan2005 | huh |
| 04:10.51 | mfrisch | dan2005 smbclient |
| 04:10.52 | stew | dan2005: smbclient |
| 04:10.58 | Nurbs | mhm :) |
| 04:11.05 | k8to | is smbsh still around? |
| 04:11.09 | bob2 | dan2005: we're waiting for you to actually give us specifics |
| 04:11.15 | concept10 | damn my memory is bad, how do I mount a NFS share? mount -t 192.blah /mnt/mountdir ? |
| 04:11.17 | bob2 | dan2005: e.g. what type of filesystem you're trying to mount |
| 04:11.32 | k8to | concept10: host:/share |
| 04:11.34 | stew | concept10: mount server:/export /mountpoint |
| 04:11.35 | dan2005 | smbclient, can I access forder with out mounting it like in konqueror |
| 04:11.50 | k8to | stew even has the right terminology |
| 04:12.07 | concept10 | k8to, stew thanks fellas |
| 04:12.09 | k8to | if you use -t it would be mount -t nfs server:/export /mountpoint |
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| 04:12.48 | concept10 | i wish gnome had a app that could just locate the damn shares and mount them |
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| 04:13.01 | CompWizrd | linneighbourhood or something like that? |
| 04:13.14 | user01 | gah...ever have one of those days where you argue all day with theo de Raadt? |
| 04:13.17 | k8to | so uh, anyone up on the current status of the cdrecord fiasco with debian? the package doesn't have much in the way of hints for the current status |
| 04:13.22 | dan2005 | how can I mimic the smb://192.168.0.1/share in konqueror |
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| 04:13.37 | CompWizrd | concept10: what about jags |
| 04:13.45 | CompWizrd | it's gtk, but close enough :D |
| 04:13.54 | bob2 | k8to: fiasco? |
| 04:13.55 | dan2005 | if I use smbclient I have to temporary mount it |
| 04:14.00 | concept10 | CompWizrd, let me look that up |
| 04:14.02 | k8to | dan2005: the particular ability to access the path smb://servername/share directly is provided by kioslaves, and as such is KDE-specific |
| 04:14.17 | bob2 | dan2005: why don't you just actually mount it? |
| 04:14.19 | dan2005 | I see |
| 04:14.23 | k8to | bob2: dev=ATAPI: dev=ATA: dev=/dev/hdc |
| 04:14.35 | bob2 | k8to: the former two are deprecated |
| 04:14.41 | k8to | bob2: both? |
| 04:14.53 | bob2 | k8to: if you have an IDE driver, use dev=/dev/hdc, yes |
| 04:14.56 | CompWizrd | i upgraded from 2.4 to 2.6, all i had to do was change out the dev=0,0,0 to dev=/dev/hdc, and stop using scsi emulation |
| 04:15.02 | k8to | bob2: someone should update the wiki for this channel ;-) |
| 04:15.06 | k8to | bob2: thanks though |
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| 04:15.09 | user01 | i dont know what the guy has against debian...this is such a nicer community... |
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| 04:15.20 | concept10 | I get this error on client. mount: RPC: Program not registered. WHat package do I need? |
| 04:15.33 | k-man | so whats a good filesystem if you want to have lots of files in one directory? |
| 04:15.35 | bob2 | concept10: portmap, I'd think |
| 04:15.41 | CompWizrd | i find it easier to upgrade machines to 2.6 than wait for sid to work on 2.4's |
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| 04:15.43 | bob2 | k-man: what is lots? |
| 04:15.46 | k8to | bob2: it's hard to know because, you know, you get coasters sometimes no matter what, if you use the wrong options, and the program tosses out lots of whining about /dev/hdc |
| 04:15.50 | k-man | 50,000 |
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| 04:16.16 | bob2 | k-man: ext3 with hashed directories should be ok in 2.6. or xfs or reiser on 2.4, if you trust them. |
| 04:16.26 | k8to | whoah? |
| 04:16.32 | k8to | ext3 has hashed dirs? |
| 04:16.33 | k-man | bob2, hashed directories? |
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| 04:16.44 | bob2 | k8to: the program whines because the author is a solaris/scsi crackhead and hates linux and ide |
| 04:16.48 | bob2 | k8to: yes |
| 04:16.59 | k8to | bob2: yeah, that's the fiasco i was talking about |
| 04:17.00 | k-man | what is hashed directories? |
| 04:17.05 | error403 | Is there an effective replacement for NFS? Because I am finding ANY application that needs to access something on an NFS share hangs, often never waking up... |
| 04:17.08 | amphi | bob2: heh |
| 04:17.14 | user01 | when debian does ad images...they are "open" to use right? |
| 04:17.16 | CompWizrd | i find it more interesting that you need dvdrecord to do dvd's, that you can't do it with cdrecord, which i undersatnd is about the same program anyways |
| 04:17.17 | k8to | bob2: where the docs for it are largely him just complaining about some bug he found in linux 8 years ago |
| 04:17.20 | bob2 | k-man: tune2fs -O dir_index /dev/hda |
| 04:17.21 | Nurbs | error403: samba |
| 04:17.24 | bob2 | user01: yes |
| 04:17.28 | bob2 | user01: this is not openbsd |
| 04:17.29 | Nurbs | error403: you probably misconfigured something, though :) |
| 04:17.37 | bob2 | error403: all network filesystems appear to suck |
| 04:17.43 | bob2 | k8to: hah, yeah |
| 04:18.07 | bob2 | k-man: hashed directories = quicker way to look up dirs, so it cna handle more of them |
| 04:18.13 | error403 | Nurbs, it was working absolutely fine until about 10 mins ago... |
| 04:18.19 | bob2 | I've never managed to get dvdrecord to work |
| 04:18.21 | k-man | bob2, oh, i see... coool |
| 04:18.26 | user01 | bob2: good...theo wouldnt let me make an openbsd sweatshirt so im going to make a debian one instead |
| 04:18.29 | error403 | Nurbs, is samba more reliable then? |
| 04:18.35 | k-man | bob2, is it an option when you create a filesystem? |
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| 04:18.37 | concept10 | bob2, any more ideas? I already had nfs-common and portmap installed. I have already exported the servers directories also. |
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| 04:18.41 | bob2 | user01: the debian logo is trademarked |
| 04:18.48 | bob2 | concept10: dunno |
| 04:18.55 | diesel | Anyone know how to change the default window manager in Gnome 2.12 |
| 04:18.57 | CompWizrd | bob2: i have two bash scripts i use, ./makecd $1 and ./makedvd $1 |
| 04:18.59 | CompWizrd | works pretty good |
| 04:19.20 | user01 | bob2: right...that means i cant make a debian shirt? |
| 04:19.41 | k8to | bob2: btw, i'd fix the wiki, but it's immutable: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseCdBurner |
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| 04:19.58 | Nurbs | error403: I haven't had reliability problems with NFS so far, here and not used samba much... *shrug* |
| 04:19.59 | k8to | bob2: feel free to kick the appropriate person |
| 04:20.09 | bob2 | user01: it means you need to comply with the license |
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| 04:20.31 | bob2 | user01: I doubt you'll have an issue with the open use logo license, tho |
| 04:20.32 | user01 | bob2: zhich is the gnu public license ? |
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| 04:20.38 | error403 | Nurbs, can you suggest anything I may have done wrong in an NFS config to make it suddenly take years to access anything? |
| 04:20.41 | bob2 | user01: no |
| 04:20.47 | mfrisch | bob2 so he needs to give all of us a t-shirt |
| 04:20.51 | bob2 | user01: it's a trademark issue, not a copyright one |
| 04:21.01 | jlmb | amphi: Seems like it was a dhcp server problem, I rebooted the router. |
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| 04:21.06 | K_Dallas | Q: what program would you suggest for cataloguing CD,DVDs? right now i use gwhere which works on both linux and windows. thanks |
| 04:21.09 | jlmb | amphi: thanks |
| 04:21.12 | CompWizrd | i've done samba over ssh, that's always fun |
| 04:21.22 | k8to | i have always had reliability problems with linux and NFS |
| 04:21.22 | Nurbs | error403: something probably was changed it worked before... did you reboot, upgrade or anything? :) |
| 04:21.37 | Nurbs | error403: checked dmesg output? |
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| 04:21.51 | error403 | Nurbs, this is what i did - Installed, usef for about 3 hours, watched it die 10 mins ago |
| 04:21.57 | error403 | changed NOTHING at all... |
| 04:22.57 | k8to | error403: usually problems i have had with NFS have come down to the server screwing up |
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| 04:23.23 | CompWizrd | what do your mount options look like? |
| 04:23.27 | k8to | error403: occasionally it has been connectivity problems of some sort or another |
| 04:23.28 | error403 | Nurbs, lockd: couldn't shutdown host module! <-- that maybe it? |
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| 04:23.46 | user01 | bob2: "We reserve the right to revoke a license for a product" whats that about? |
| 04:24.03 | error403 | k8to, right... does it screw up often? |
| 04:24.06 | bob2 | user01: what are you reading? |
| 04:24.11 | error403 | k8to, would a NFS reboot do it? |
| 04:24.21 | k8to | i don't know what an NFS reboot is |
| 04:24.30 | error403 | erm, restart |
| 04:24.31 | user01 | bob2: http://www.debian.org/logos/ |
| 04:24.34 | error403 | sorry... |
| 04:24.49 | k8to | i managed an NFS server which was used by about 30 or people as their homedirs and workspace |
| 04:24.52 | error403 | k8to, i.e. /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart |
| 04:25.19 | k8to | error403: no guarantee, since it doesn't get properly unloaded.. it's a kernel service |
| 04:25.26 | bob2 | user01: that logo requries yo uto seek and gain permission before using it |
| 04:25.34 | bob2 | user01: the open use one does not have that restriction |
| 04:25.35 | k8to | and it used to screw up once every couple of months |
| 04:25.36 | amphi | jlmb: cool |
| 04:25.56 | k8to | we actually switched over to userspace nfs to reduce the errors |
| 04:25.56 | error403 | k8to, on my server, last line in dmesg is "RPC: failed to contact portmap (errno -5) |
| 04:25.58 | user01 | bob2: what page is that on? |
| 04:25.59 | error403 | k8to, maybe that the problem? |
| 04:26.01 | k-man | bob2, do you have to do anything special to enable hashed dirs in ext3? or is it on by default? |
| 04:26.17 | error403 | k8to, do you recommend userspace NFS instead? |
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| 04:26.19 | bob2 | user01: the top of that one... |
| 04:26.20 | k8to | error403: portmap is a necessary connectivity piece to achieve RPC upon which NFS is based |
| 04:26.28 | bob2 | k-man: run the tune2fs command I gave you earlier |
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| 04:26.42 | user01 | bob: oh whoops yep |
| 04:26.46 | k8to | error403: i can't even remember whether you need to be running it on the clients |
| 04:26.48 | k-man | oh, missed it |
| 04:26.49 | error403 | k8to, maybe portmap died? |
| 04:26.52 | _karma_ | XMMS crashed on me for some reason, prolly a playlist mishap, and now its acting as a zombie process and I cant kill it or open another instance of it. How do I go upon killing the process entirely? |
| 04:27.08 | k8to | error403: if portmap died then that would cause NFS to essentially fail |
| 04:27.14 | k-man | thanks bob2 |
| 04:27.28 | mfrisch | _karma_ mine as well I have to rm .xmms |
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| 04:27.35 | error403 | k8to, do you recommend using userspace NFS? |
| 04:27.38 | k8to | error403: of course, you could get that error because of a pulled ethernet cable |
| 04:27.39 | youssef | Hello. I am using Sarge with an ethernet printer (Lexmark E323). When I print only one line/page appears. And when I save in .ps with Openoffice. Only 5 caracters/colomn appears. Any clue ? |
| 04:27.47 | k8to | error403: my experiences are from a long time ago, 20001 |
| 04:27.49 | k8to | err |
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| 04:27.52 | k8to | error403: 2001 |
| 04:27.53 | error403 | k8to, nope, none of those :P |
| 04:28.12 | k8to | error403: however, if my experience is anything to go on, i would NOT USE LINUX for an nfs server |
| 04:28.15 | user01 | bob2: 101x124 is the biggest they get? |
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| 04:28.22 | bob2 | user01: and eps |
| 04:28.35 | CompWizrd | i used to use nfs back in about 2001 or so |
| 04:28.42 | k8to | error403: freebsd is very realiable as an NFS server, and is usually a drop-in replacement |
| 04:28.57 | _karma_ | mfrisch: just remove it? or can I copy the skins and whatnot as a backup? |
| 04:29.27 | error403 | k8to, do you know if samba is any more reliable? |
| 04:29.38 | mm23 | disconnect |
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| 04:29.54 | CompWizrd | i sometimes have trouble with smbmount not reporting the right number of files, like a few ls -lR's in a row will show different results |
| 04:29.55 | k8to | error403: samba has different problems |
| 04:30.01 | CompWizrd | but generally it's a crappy server(windows) |
| 04:30.17 | mfrisch | _karma_ copy skins its when I connect to streams weird :( |
| 04:30.19 | k8to | error403: it is more apt to let youru computer continue working, but also more likely to lose data |
| 04:30.50 | Roxport | . |
| 04:30.56 | k8to | i think you should acquire current expertise however, if this decision is important |
| 04:30.56 | error403 | k8to, i see... |
| 04:31.04 | k8to | mine is dated |
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| 04:31.33 | error403 | k8to, not seriously important.... basically, just mounting my Eclipse workspace as a network share |
| 04:31.53 | error403 | Is there a such thing as a network file system that is reliable? |
| 04:31.57 | youssef | can someone help me ? |
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| 04:32.02 | k8to | error403: no |
| 04:32.12 | CompWizrd | setup iSCSI ;) |
| 04:32.23 | k8to | bah, even iscsi has its issues |
| 04:32.34 | error403 | CompBrain, iSCSI? |
| 04:32.36 | k8to | they all have terrible failure modes |
| 04:32.46 | user01 | bob2: eps's are scalable to any size right? |
| 04:32.55 | k8to | and like, what can you do about that? |
| 04:33.02 | error403 | hmmm |
| 04:33.03 | CompWizrd | back in the late 90's, i was looking at linking two of my file servers over a shared scsi bus. |
| 04:33.12 | error403 | well, it doesnt seem to be completely borked |
| 04:33.12 | k8to | error403: personally i would use a tool such as cvs for that problem |
| 04:33.20 | k8to | error403: so that the files are local |
| 04:33.28 | Skrot | What would you guys go for in a fileserver, (software) RAID0 or LVM? |
| 04:33.30 | CompWizrd | by setting the scsi id on the one adapter to something besides 7, and linking the two machines with a cable.. mounting the filesystem read only on one machine |
| 04:33.37 | bob2 | user01: more or less |
| 04:33.47 | CompWizrd | Skrot: fileserver, raid0.. those two terms aren't really compatible |
| 04:33.48 | error403 | k8to, i do use cvs... however commiting and checking out for EVERY 2-character change is a little irritating.... |
| 04:34.10 | Skrot | CompWizrd: Why? :) |
| 04:34.24 | CompWizrd | Skrot: generally you want a fileserver to be reliable |
| 04:34.28 | CompWizrd | raid0 is the opposite of reliable |
| 04:34.35 | Skrot | CompWizrd: ah, so you'd rather go with LVM? |
| 04:34.37 | CompWizrd | then again, i had a 10 drive raid0 back in the late 90's... |
| 04:34.38 | k8to | Skrot: lvm offers capabilitise that raid0 does not. if you feel they will save you time/hassle/expense/etc, then go with lvm. if you feel they will COST you time/hassle expense, then just use raidtools |
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| 04:34.55 | k8to | oh |
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| 04:35.04 | k8to | i was assuming raid 1 / 10 |
| 04:35.12 | CompWizrd | 6 scsi's in a case with a 386 motherboard to load the power supply properly, connected via external scsi cable to the actual server that had 4 ide's in it |
| 04:35.21 | CompWizrd | it worked, most of the time.. never lost any data, oddly enough |
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| 04:35.40 | k8to | error403: 2 character? |
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| 04:36.03 | mfrisch | ok there is raidtools device-mapper and lvm why? |
| 04:36.10 | k8to | error403: anyway, i'm just offering opinions at this point |
| 04:36.17 | youssef | is there an easy tool to configure printers ? |
| 04:36.27 | error403 | k8to, working on PHP stuff, so you get the inevitible change-view-repeat |
| 04:36.43 | k8to | buh |
| 04:36.46 | thomaslsamoht | k can somebody tell me how to paste large texts without pissing people off? |
| 04:36.47 | error403 | k8to, so change-commit-update-view-repeat is annoying... |
| 04:36.52 | thomaslsamoht | i just got banned from ubuntu |
| 04:36.56 | thomaslsamoht | :( |
| 04:37.00 | error403 | thomaslsamoht, www.pastebin.com |
| 04:37.04 | thomaslsamoht | oooooooooo... |
| 04:37.06 | k8to | are you editing live? or it's too expensive to replicate the ability to view in your workspace? |
| 04:37.12 | thomaslsamoht | someone said pastebin |
| 04:37.19 | thomaslsamoht | so i typed !pastebin in fronto |
| 04:37.20 | thomaslsamoht | lol |
| 04:37.32 | user01 | tie dye shirts with the logo would be cool |
| 04:37.35 | thomaslsamoht | i never used irc before |
| 04:37.37 | thomaslsamoht | thats why. |
| 04:37.41 | thomaslsamoht | non of them knew though |
| 04:37.44 | thomaslsamoht | so they juts banned me |
| 04:37.45 | thomaslsamoht | :( |
| 04:37.53 | mfrisch | quit |
| 04:37.59 | ryanium | bye mfirsch lol |
| 04:38.06 | error403 | k8to, I'm also working on abother project, where i need to be able to checkout, work on it in a sandbox, then commit a working version... |
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| 04:38.10 | ryanium | oh i thought you were typing quit :| |
| 04:38.18 | bob2 | wtf |
| 04:38.19 | error403 | k8to, but my testing server is on a different machine |
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| 04:38.22 | Subvertir | Is there any tutorial for configuring port forwarding while using ipmasq? |
| 04:38.42 | k8to | so, option b then |
| 04:38.42 | Subvertir | Or some method to do it I'm not aware of? |
| 04:38.42 | k8to | apparently |
| 04:38.51 | error403 | k8to, ? |
| 04:39.00 | mfrisch | ryanium no I wanted it to stop! |
| 04:39.01 | error403 | I don't follow... |
| 04:39.11 | k8to | Subvertir: hmm, i have found good iptables introductions |
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| 04:39.37 | bob2 | ipmasq appears to require some sort of Phd to customise |
| 04:39.42 | bob2 | I've never managed to do it |
| 04:39.45 | bob2 | shorewall is way less hassle |
| 04:39.53 | error403 | shorewall is awesome |
| 04:40.01 | ejd | I have a problem, I just updated testing to kde 3.4 and now I have a large Volmue dialog in the middle of the screen. Anyone have any ideas? It happens for all users and stays above all programs. |
| 04:40.08 | mfrisch | error403 yup |
| 04:40.18 | Subvertir | can I use shorewall on a debian box or is it exclusively a 'boot from CD' thing? |
| 04:40.33 | bob2 | eh |
| 04:40.35 | error403 | Subvertir, apt-get install shorewall :P |
| 04:40.38 | bob2 | it's a debian package |
| 04:40.47 | mfrisch | Subvertir thats smoothwall |
| 04:40.50 | Subvertir | neat |
| 04:40.54 | Subvertir | thanks! |
| 04:41.37 | error403 | I do believ |
| 04:41.41 | CompWizrd | bob2; i'm setting up b-trees on a spare partition, seeing if it helps |
| 04:41.42 | error403 | erm, ooops |
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| 04:42.44 | error403 | Well ill be damned.... |
| 04:42.49 | error403 | I don't believe it... |
| 04:43.15 | error403 | You know what was causing NFS and Eclipse to die? A Firefox crash.... |
| 04:43.19 | error403 | what the ... ? |
| 04:43.28 | tweek | I keep getting an error while trying to install the 2.6 -386 kernel |
| 04:43.31 | tweek | and ideas? |
| 04:43.32 | tweek | :< |
| 04:43.47 | k8to | error403: it sounds to me like the firefox crash is just symptomatic |
| 04:44.19 | error403 | k8to, i dont think so... i killed firefox, and NFS started working again... |
| 04:44.46 | k8to | do you think firefox is reconfiguring your network? |
| 04:44.47 | _karma_ | alright, now, xmms will run when ran under root, but when I run it under my normal user, I get a segfault. I've tried reinstalling xmms entirely, removed the .xmms dir from my home, what else can I do to fix this? |
| 04:45.08 | error403 | k8to, maybe firefox was actualy locking an underlying part of the kernel to do with networking? making it so NFS got very little chance to send/receive packets... |
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| 04:45.24 | k8to | i find that doubtful |
| 04:45.34 | k8to | i think firefox uses a lot of memory |
| 04:45.50 | error403 | well, its strage that as soon as i kill ff, the network flows again.... |
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| 04:46.14 | k8to | i agree it's odd |
| 04:46.28 | k8to | and if you have a lot of time to figure it out, it would be interesting to do detective work |
| 04:46.46 | liable | tweek: would help if you said the error.. |
| 04:46.53 | error403 | k8to, you mean stack traces and stuff? not quite got the expertise for that... |
| 04:47.08 | tweek | well, can I message you it? |
| 04:47.15 | CompWizrd | _karma_: did you add your regular user to the audio group? |
| 04:47.16 | tweek | or should I post on rafb |
| 04:47.30 | liable | paste it or #flood |
| 04:47.49 | k8to | error403: coarse troubleshooting can often find problems, scripts and vmstat and careful observation and packet traces |
| 04:47.52 | k8to | and so forth |
| 04:48.12 | witless | is there any way to suppress the display of, eg, a password in the command-line when you do ps ax ? |
| 04:48.19 | error403 | k8to, well, that would involve being able to reproduce the error, yes? |
| 04:48.25 | k8to | yes |
| 04:48.45 | some_dude | what is the package for the kernel headers ? |
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| 04:48.50 | error403 | k8to, well, i dont know what caused it... so thats outo the question unless it happens again.,.. |
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| 04:48.52 | _karma_ | CompWizrd: yea -- I had no problem running xmms as user, til it crashed due to some playlist mishap, now I get segfaults whenever I run it as user |
| 04:48.54 | some_dude | !kernel |
| 04:48.57 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.14, snapshot: 2.6.14-git5, 2.4: 2.4.31, prepatch: 2.4.32-rc2, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.14-rc5-mm1 |
| 04:49.04 | liable | some_dude: apt-cache search is your friend. |
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| 04:49.16 | fernando | anyone know how to enable dri in a i810 graphics? |
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| 04:50.16 | k8to | fernando: load the right agp module, enable it in the X configfile? |
| 04:50.33 | fernando | k8to yes |
| 04:50.52 | k8to | those are the major necessary steps |
| 04:51.04 | k8to | i forget all the tweaky troubleshooting along the way |
| 04:51.20 | tweek | sorry to bother you liable I fixed it :} |
| 04:51.34 | tweek | thanks any ways :D |
| 04:52.27 | fernando | agpgart 34664 1 intel_agp |
| 04:52.35 | k8to | fernando: i remember the major struggle was determining which packages to install |
| 04:53.14 | fernando | (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a |
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| 04:53.43 | k8to | fernando: do you know if the drm module is loaded? |
| 04:54.03 | fernando | (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/linux/libdrm.a |
| 04:54.04 | fernando | this? |
| 04:54.11 | spdf | fernando, no, kernel modules.. |
| 04:54.13 | k8to | fernando: uh, i810 (or similar) in lsmod |
| 04:54.28 | fernando | no, i don't have kernel module drm |
| 04:54.59 | k8to | i very clumsily just forced that module to load |
| 04:55.00 | spdf | fernando, Can you cut/paste which modules are loaded (lsmod) as well as what lspci -v reports? (To a pastebin, or #flood) |
| 04:55.23 | fernando | ok |
| 04:55.24 | k8to | i dumped via_agp agpgart and mga into /etc/modules |
| 04:55.28 | k8to | i dunno how it's supposed to go |
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| 04:57.49 | fernando | spdf http://pastebin.com/415643 |
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| 04:58.10 | k8to | that is, 1) motherboard-specific agp driver (your intel_agp), 2) general agpgart support (agpgart), and 3) card-specific driver (for me, mga, for you, i810? |
| 04:58.21 | fernando | spdf is a i810 / i915GM |
| 04:58.35 | fernando | k8to is a i810 / i915GM |
| 04:59.04 | k8to | i would try modprobe i810 |
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| 04:59.47 | spdf | Agreed |
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| 05:00.48 | SerajewelKS | is there a console program that will take a shot of a running X session? |
| 05:01.00 | spdf | fernando, modprobe i810, and restart X... when you're in X, open a terminal, and run glxinfo |
| 05:01.12 | ea{G}le | hi... does someone speek french ? |
| 05:01.19 | bob2 | SerajewelKS: import -root |
| 05:01.23 | SerajewelKS | ea{G}le, #debian-fr |
| 05:01.34 | ea{G}le | SerajewelKS thx! |
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| 05:01.58 | bob_ | I have a problem installing the nvidia drivers on my debian testing with a 2.6 kernel. I've tried everything in that whole popular "debian way" tutorial thingie. I install the module-assistant, then run, "m-a prepare" and it give me an error. It says, "Package kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386 has no installation candidate." I cannot find that package in aptitude, nor anywhere in a google search. linuxquestions.org is no help. I'm pretty |
| 05:01.58 | spdf | Should that be -window root? |
| 05:02.14 | bob2 | that means your kernel is out of date |
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| 05:02.26 | bob2 | !+info kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386 sarge |
| 05:02.29 | dpkg | kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386: (Linux kernel headers 2.6.8 on 386), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.6.8-16 (sarge), Packaged size: 250 kB, Installed size: 16668 kB |
| 05:02.30 | spdf | bob_, what does uname -r say? |
| 05:02.42 | bob2 | oh, there you go |
| 05:02.43 | bob2 | it's fine |
| 05:02.44 | fernando | spdf direct rendering: No |
| 05:02.56 | bob_ | spdf: it says 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 05:03.06 | k8to | i'm finding bob vs bob confusing |
| 05:03.12 | bob_ | I'll change my name. |
| 05:03.18 | k8to | it doesn't matter |
| 05:03.21 | k8to | i'm just making stupid comments |
| 05:03.22 | k8to | sorry |
| 05:03.27 | TheCamper | I am the confused dude formerly known as bob_ |
| 05:03.32 | SerajewelKS | bob2, import: unrecognized option `-root'. |
| 05:03.43 | spdf | SerajewelKS, import -window root |
| 05:04.05 | k8to | spdf, fernando: i remember having to change the file permission stuff surrounding /dev/dri, is that historical |
| 05:04.06 | TheCamper | So does anyone have any ideas? |
| 05:04.11 | k8to | (?) |
| 05:04.25 | CompWizrd | SerajewelKS: scrot works nicely too |
| 05:04.39 | k8to | scot works reliably |
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| 05:04.45 | CompWizrd | does time stamps too |
| 05:04.53 | CompWizrd | i had watch scrot going once |
| 05:05.03 | CompWizrd | logging what someone was doing on a remote vnc session |
| 05:05.27 | k8to | CompWizrd: with devious intent? |
| 05:05.40 | CompWizrd | k8to: the guy wandered off with a computer from work, took it home, plugged it in |
| 05:05.40 | TheCamper | dpkg: where did you find that? can you give me a link? |
| 05:05.47 | CompWizrd | i noticed a pop3 session from a weird ip |
| 05:05.58 | CompWizrd | nmap'd the ip, found vnc open, used our vnc password, it accepted it |
| 05:06.04 | fernando | spdf any other idea? |
| 05:06.07 | k8to | CompWizrd: devious but commendable intent |
| 05:06.12 | CompWizrd | and then watched the guy long enough to figure out who it had to be |
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| 05:06.17 | CompWizrd | and then contacted his manager |
| 05:06.20 | thedreamstate | you guys know dsl? |
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| 05:06.32 | spdf | thedreamstate, sure, but you won't get much help here with it.. |
| 05:06.35 | CompWizrd | he was sent home to bring the machine back |
| 05:06.42 | CompWizrd | i wiped the drive, and gave it back to him. |
| 05:06.43 | thedreamstate | im in a pickle. my windoes just crashed. |
| 05:06.50 | thedreamstate | this is the only os i have |
| 05:06.59 | CompWizrd | i had no problem giving him the system, it was already out of date |
| 05:07.02 | spdf | thedreamstate, What is it that you need to do with it? |
| 05:07.03 | CompWizrd | he just didn't ask first |
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| 05:07.08 | stew | thedreamstate: by dsl you mean damnsmalllinux? |
| 05:07.29 | dondelelcaro | thedreamstate: windows and/or dsl are off topic here. |
| 05:08.03 | TheCamper | I have a problem installin the nvidia drivers on my debian testing with a 2.6 kernel. I install the module-assistant, then run "m-a prepare" and it gives me an error: "Package kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386 has no installation candidate." I cannot find that package in aptitude, or anywhere in a google search. Can someone help me? |
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| 05:08.19 | k8to | if yuo're looking for help in bringing life back into windows you will probably need someone who's invested in spending a lot of time doing it, i recommend some established irc-friends |
| 05:08.24 | stew | TheCamper: what version of debian are you running? |
| 05:08.34 | TheCamper | stew: testing. |
| 05:08.36 | k8to | or real life friends |
| 05:08.39 | k8to | ^ thedreamstate |
| 05:08.55 | dondelelcaro | TheCamper: 2.6.8 is no longer in testing; you want to upgrade to a more recent kernel, and then try using ma |
| 05:09.03 | stew | TheCamper: 2.6.8-2 was removed from testing, you should install linux-image-2.6.8-2-386 and linux-headers-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 05:09.05 | dondelelcaro | TheCamper: the recent kernels are linux-image-blahblahblah |
| 05:09.15 | stew | woah |
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| 05:09.28 | TheCamper | dondelelcaro: I just downloaded this debian iso. it changed that quickly? |
| 05:09.29 | stew | TheCamper: 2.6.8-2 was removed from testing, you should install linux-image-2.6.12-1-386 and linux-headers-2.6.12-1-386 |
| 05:09.32 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, I think 2.6.8 is no longer in testing, it's definetly no longer in stable) |
| 05:09.34 | k8to | someday i need to figure out how to use standard debian kernels and also extra kernel modules without pain |
| 05:09.42 | dondelelcaro | s/stable/unstable/ |
| 05:09.50 | k8to | okay thanks everyone |
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| 05:09.51 | dondelelcaro | TheCamper: if you're using testing, testing changes all the time. |
| 05:09.55 | stew | TheCamper: what cpu do you have? |
| 05:10.08 | TheCamper | stew: Athlon 2800+ |
| 05:10.11 | stew | TheCamper: then replace -386 with -k7 |
| 05:10.33 | TheCamper | stew: Ok. I'll try that. |
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| 05:11.43 | ea{G}le | hi! i've install debian sarge (lastess version) on my old PC and when i initialise my network connection (ifconfig up eth0) i've got an error (i just have the error in french sorry) my network card is an Dlink DFE-530TX REV A1. Someone can help me ? (sorry for my english ... i'm french and i can't have a answer on debian-fr ...) |
| 05:11.48 | TheCamper | stew: apt-get can't find kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-k7 either |
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| 05:12.09 | TheCamper | Do you guys mean I have to install a new kernel? |
| 05:12.13 | dondelelcaro | TheCamper: you need to install linux-image-2.6.12-1-k7 and linux-headers... |
| 05:12.18 | dondelelcaro | TheCamper: yes, that's what we're saying. |
| 05:12.32 | TheCamper | dondelelcaro: I have no clue how to do that. I'm a noob. |
| 05:12.53 | dondelelcaro | TheCamper: apt-get install linux-{image,headers}-2.6.12-1-k7 |
| 05:13.17 | TheCamper | dondelelcaro: dude.....that's it? I thought it was going to be mega-complicated. |
| 05:13.42 | spdf | TheCamper, Baah. Apt's a breeze. |
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| 05:14.38 | TheCamper | dondelelcaro: so it doesn't require a reboot or anything? |
| 05:14.51 | spdf | TheCamper, You'll need to reboot to use the new kernel.. |
| 05:14.57 | TheCamper | spdf: ok. |
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| 05:15.33 | TheCamper | whois TheCamper |
| 05:15.41 | TheCamper | oops |
| 05:15.43 | TheCamper | : ) |
| 05:16.00 | ea{G}le | nobody can help me ? |
| 05:16.22 | amphi | TheCamper: you don't know? |
| 05:16.25 | Nurbs | TheCamper: and possibly add it to your boot loader, I suppose. |
| 05:16.27 | spdf | ea{G}le, What's the error? |
| 05:16.39 | TheCamper | Nurbs: ok. |
| 05:16.46 | ea{G}le | spdf: i just have it in french ... do u whant it? |
| 05:16.47 | TheCamper | amphi: don't know what? |
| 05:16.56 | spdf | ea{G}le, Sire |
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| 05:17.02 | spdf | ea{G}le, Sure, rather. |
| 05:17.16 | cyberWhiz | I'm installing debian onto my laptop right now with the 2.6.8 kernel (using the sarge net inst disk) |
| 05:17.21 | cyberWhiz | on first boot though |
| 05:17.26 | ea{G}le | spdf: eth0:Erreur de repérage du nom de l'hote cible .... this is the error |
| 05:17.29 | amphi | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:17.38 | amphi | just joking |
| 05:17.41 | cyberWhiz | the system hangs at "usbcore: registered new driver hub" |
| 05:17.44 | cyberWhiz | when booting in recovery mode |
| 05:17.49 | TheCamper | amphi: ahh. I see. |
| 05:17.57 | cyberWhiz | any way to get around that? |
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| 05:18.09 | foo | How can I convert rpm to .deb? |
| 05:18.18 | foo | I am trying to get openoffice 2.0 |
| 05:18.24 | TheCamper | foo: use a program called Alien. google for it. |
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| 05:18.27 | spdf | cyberWhiz, its the ehci_hcd module. Mine did the same thing. |
| 05:18.38 | foo | Where should I go to get openoffice.org 2.0 ? |
| 05:18.49 | spdf | cyberWhiz, I had to use the older kernel and upgrade afterwards to 2.6.12 |
| 05:19.00 | Nurbs | foo: #debian-oo |
| 05:19.01 | cyberWhiz | hmm... it happened for me with 2.4 kernel also |
| 05:19.31 | cyberWhiz | spdf: know of any way to disable that module during install? |
| 05:19.42 | spdf | cyberWhiz, weird. Are there any devices plugged in? |
| 05:20.02 | TheCamper | Ok. I now have linux-{image,headers}-2.6.12-1-k7 installed. Now what? |
| 05:20.06 | cyberWhiz | spdf: no -- not externally -- the only thing I can think that it might be is this card reader that is built it |
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| 05:21.24 | TheCamper | dondelelcaro: Ok. I now have linux-{image,headers}-2.6.12-1-k7 installed. Now what? |
| 05:21.33 | cyberWhiz | spdf: im checking out that module you mentioned -- maybe i could prevent it from loading during the install process |
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| 05:21.39 | egon_spengler | ea{G}le: Something about "Error setting hostname?" |
| 05:21.43 | luci0 | where have test of qi |
| 05:21.47 | luci0 | ? |
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| 05:21.57 | witless | when i put a password on the command-line how can i prevent it from showing in ps ax ? |
| 05:22.05 | crackhead | anyone know how I could cat a file but only cat everything after the 3rd line? |
| 05:22.17 | Nurbs | witless: by using a patched kernel |
| 05:22.22 | Nurbs | witless: just don't do it. |
| 05:22.28 | spdf | cyberWhiz, have you given the "noacpi noapic" options a try? |
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| 05:22.48 | luci0 | where have test of qi |
| 05:22.49 | luci0 | ? |
| 05:22.50 | witless | Nurbs: how can i otherwise feed a password to smbclient unattended? |
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| 05:23.02 | TheCamper | spdf: Ok. I now have linux-{image,headers}-2.6.12-1-k7 installed. Now what? |
| 05:23.09 | ea{G}le | egon_spengler: yes ... i think so ... |
| 05:23.18 | cyberWhiz | spdf: i did... doesn't seem to fix it |
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| 05:23.48 | Nurbs | witless: a pipe? |
| 05:23.49 | spdf | cyberWhiz, alright.. add the option "debian-installer/probe/usb=false" |
| 05:23.51 | luci0 | where have test of qi |
| 05:23.52 | luci0 | ? |
| 05:24.03 | stew | crackhead: awk '{if(NR>3)print}' |
| 05:24.08 | spdf | luci0, sorry? |
| 05:24.18 | KB0PQP | witless i think you can make a password file and call it |
| 05:24.20 | cyberWhiz | spdf: thanks -- ill try that right now |
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| 05:24.24 | luci0 | i want make test of qi |
| 05:24.29 | spdf | cyberWhiz, without quotes of course.. |
| 05:24.35 | cyberWhiz | spdf: of course ;] |
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| 05:24.49 | levander | Anybody know if the ruby bindings for libcurl are in a package yet? And, if so do you know the name? |
| 05:24.50 | Nurbs | witless: or the -A option |
| 05:25.00 | witless | Nurbs: KB0PQP: thanks |
| 05:25.10 | luci0 | amebas |
| 05:25.16 | KB0PQP | np |
| 05:25.24 | spdf | luci0, purple monkey dishwasher? |
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| 05:27.13 | Nurbs | levander: doubt it, at least not in debian itself, otherwise "apt-cache search ruby curl" would bring up something. |
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| 05:28.03 | levander | Nurbs: yeah, that's what I was afraid of, thanks |
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| 05:30.07 | Dr_Fie | i'm setting up debian wheeeeeee |
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| 05:31.10 | ea{G}le | my Pc whill be in a million of pieces soon ... |
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| 05:31.31 | ea{G}le | will sorry.... |
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| 05:32.12 | ea{G}le | so i'm going to sleep and i'll try tomorrow!!! ... it's enough for tonight .... |
| 05:33.35 | Dr_Fie | i'm using xfs for my debian install |
| 05:33.39 | Dr_Fie | it has an X in the name Oooooo |
| 05:33.41 | Dr_Fie | :D |
| 05:33.42 | Dr_Fie | lol |
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| 05:34.37 | Roxport | how can i make my debian box and my winxp box see each other. they are connected to router with dhcp enabled in router |
| 05:35.01 | cyberWhiz | spdf: my system is still hanging at first boot -- it mentions the uhci_hcd module -- do you know of any way to force it to skip this module when booting for the first time? |
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| 05:35.29 | Dr_Fie | Roxport: samba |
| 05:35.30 | cyberWhiz | spdf: i just completed the install process again |
| 05:35.39 | Dr_Fie | Roxport: what do you mean "see eachother" |
| 05:35.55 | dpower | I recently installed vsftpd,i configured it, it works great. Just now ive made some changes to the config file, i saved the file but does it need to be rehashed? |
| 05:36.30 | Roxport | i want to setup ftp between them. they can't ping each other using their LAN addresses or hostnames. maybe that's impossible anyways... |
| 05:37.01 | Dr_Fie | Roxport: or maybe you have firewall(s) turnt on |
| 05:37.04 | Roxport | but they both show up in the list of dhcp clients, in the router config webpage |
| 05:37.09 | Roxport | ahhhh |
| 05:37.38 | Dr_Fie | why wouldn't you be able to ping? ping is universal man |
| 05:37.52 | dpower | can anyone help? |
| 05:38.12 | Dr_Fie | rehashed? |
| 05:38.13 | levander | Does curl support recursive downloading like wget does? I'm not finding anything about recursive downloading in the curl man page. |
| 05:38.14 | Dr_Fie | no clue |
| 05:38.18 | Dr_Fie | did you restart the server? |
| 05:38.27 | Dr_Fie | /etc/init.d/vsftpd restart |
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| 05:38.39 | dpower | ty |
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| 05:39.23 | Roxport | dr_fie: i know.... |
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| 05:42.15 | Roxport | Ugh, i was using wrong lan ip addr...stupid stupid me |
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| 05:43.28 | dondelelcaro | levander: why not just use wget? |
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| 05:47.15 | dpower | What would the best way to remove a user account including theyre home directory and all? |
| 05:47.31 | Gnea | dpower: man deluser |
| 05:47.39 | dpower | ok, ty |
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| 05:50.15 | Dasnipa` | n #freedroid |
| 05:50.22 | Dasnipa` | oopz |
| 05:50.32 | Dasnipa` | dont mind my missed the /joi on that command |
| 05:51.34 | Roxport | i did apt-get install ftpd but how can i fire up the ftp server? |
| 05:52.05 | Dasnipa` | i think ftpd is a daemon runs in the background |
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| 05:52.42 | Roxport | that's right. ps doesnt' show it running. |
| 05:53.11 | dpower | Roxport: it should 'fire' up upon installing it |
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| 05:53.22 | nyingen | Roxport: something along the lines of /etc/init.d/proftpd start |
| 05:53.30 | nyingen | Roxport: for whatever ftp server you're running |
| 05:53.32 | Roxport | dpower, that's what i was expecting |
| 05:53.40 | Roxport | nyingen: thanks |
| 05:53.44 | Roxport | cool |
| 05:54.02 | spdf | Roxport, pretty sure its managed by inetd |
| 05:54.21 | spdf | Roxport, Check your /etc/inetd.conf and make sure ftp is uncommented |
| 05:54.21 | nyingen | spdf: could be standalone though, at least proftpd usually is? |
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| 05:54.34 | Roxport | spdf: ok thanks |
| 05:54.44 | spdf | nyingen, ftpd defaults to inetd if I'm not mistaken.. |
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| 05:55.18 | nyingen | spdf: you're probably right, I only use proftpd |
| 05:55.30 | nyingen | spdf: I figured they might be similar though |
| 05:55.50 | fernando | well i have i810, drm, agpgart, intel-agp up, but dri don't work. anyone know why? |
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| 05:56.08 | Roxport | spdf: you are right. i just looked at it. |
| 05:56.11 | cyberWhiz | booting into debian (it has never successfully booted; new install), my laptop now hangs at <6>Linux agpgart interface ... -- any ideas why that may be? |
| 05:56.24 | Roxport | it's a standard service in inetd |
| 05:56.26 | Roxport | .conf |
| 05:56.26 | spdf | cyberWhiz, What kind of laptop? |
| 05:56.51 | cyberWhiz | spdf: its a compaq presario 42309us |
| 05:56.58 | fernando | spdf all modules up, but dri don't work again |
| 05:56.59 | cyberWhiz | spdf: that should be v2309us |
| 05:57.15 | spdf | cyberWhiz, I'm using a 2305ca as we speak.. |
| 05:57.41 | cyberWhiz | spdf: oh wow -- very similar |
| 05:57.42 | Roxport | thanks all. i understand how the ftp works in inetd now |
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| 05:58.35 | cyberWhiz | spdf: how did you initially put debian onto that machine? i am using the sarge net inst disc -- did you? |
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| 06:00.03 | amphi | cyberWhiz: is it 64bit? |
| 06:00.11 | Dr_Fie | hmmm |
| 06:00.13 | cyberWhiz | amphi: no it is a 32 bit |
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| 06:00.16 | spdf | cyberWhiz, Is that one Sempron or Turion? |
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| 06:00.31 | cyberWhiz | spdf: its a centrino |
| 06:00.35 | amphi | cyberWhiz: mine too ;) |
| 06:00.44 | amphi | cyberWhiz: what video card? |
| 06:00.45 | cyberWhiz | amphi: you have the same system? |
| 06:00.47 | spdf | cyberWhiz, Ahh, they are different then.. |
| 06:00.54 | amphi | cyberWhiz: no, a T42 |
| 06:01.01 | cyberWhiz | amphi: ah, okay |
| 06:01.08 | cyberWhiz | spdf: ah, gotcha |
| 06:01.18 | cyberWhiz | amphi: checking -- i forget, its brand new |
| 06:01.55 | amphi | cyberWhiz: too new to have any info on linux-laptop.net or tuxmobil.org? |
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| 06:02.46 | cyberWhiz | amphi: i mean the laptop -- there are install instructions for SuSE for this machine on tuxmobil but I'm a debian guy |
| 06:03.01 | spdf | cyberWhiz, Does it say which kernel they used? |
| 06:03.03 | cyberWhiz | amphi: just never run into so many problems with an install before |
| 06:03.23 | spdf | cyberWhiz, You could try one of the etch netinst's... |
| 06:03.42 | cyberWhiz | spdf: 2.6.8 so that it can work with the intel pro wireless card -- i'm eventually going to have to get the ipw2200 drivers |
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| 06:03.55 | cyberWhiz | spdf: im not familiar with that |
| 06:04.37 | Dr_Fie | ooops :D |
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| 06:05.00 | cyberWhiz | spdf: oh you just mean the unstable netinst? |
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| 06:05.19 | amphi | cyberWhiz: the ipw2200 driver works fine - just build 'em; I'm using it now |
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| 06:05.34 | cyberWhiz | amphi: yeah, once i can get linux to boot, i will ;] |
| 06:05.39 | amphi | cyberWhiz: albeit built against 2.6.11 |
| 06:05.47 | spdf | amphi, He can't get the installer kernel to boot.. It was hanging on usb, now its hanging on agpgart.. |
| 06:05.50 | amphi | cyberWhiz: I'm on stable, BTW |
| 06:06.06 | amphi | cyberWhiz: maybe disable agp in the bios? |
| 06:06.29 | cyberWhiz | amphi: when you installed -- what kernel did you install to begin with? |
| 06:06.47 | baroni | Bears! :D |
| 06:06.48 | amphi | cyberWhiz: 2.6.8-whatever - the stable 2.6 kernel |
| 06:07.08 | cyberWhiz | amphi: using the net inst cd? any special options? |
| 06:07.18 | skyll | whats the latest unstable kernel |
| 06:07.23 | amphi | cyberWhiz: yes; no |
| 06:07.26 | spdf | skyll, 2.6.13 |
| 06:07.44 | amphi | .14 is current 'stable' I believe |
| 06:07.45 | cyberWhiz | amphi: thanks -- its probably the hw differences, t42 vs mine |
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| 06:08.31 | [bsd] | hi, friends! |
| 06:08.35 | cyberWhiz | what drives me nuts is that, when i throw in a knoppix live disc, it works PERFECTLY ;] |
| 06:08.40 | baroni | dam,.. thanks so very for the help of everybody.. this is so nice.. |
| 06:09.06 | baroni | hi [bsd] ! welcome! |
| 06:09.08 | baroni | :D |
| 06:09.10 | beleys | Yop |
| 06:09.35 | amphi | cyberWhiz: you could fsck about with your bios - lots of things didn't work on my laptop because every pci device was set to use irq11 ;) |
| 06:09.37 | [bsd] | baroni: hi, there |
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| 06:09.49 | dpower | da bears |
| 06:09.51 | amphi | cyberWhiz: changing all to 'auto' fixed it |
| 06:09.53 | dondelelcaro | cyberWhiz: well, you can use the knoppix live disk to install Debian; alternatively, if you're not able to boot, use noacpi... |
| 06:10.03 | baroni | i mean beers.. hehehehh dpkg |
| 06:10.05 | baroni | ops, dpower |
| 06:10.07 | baroni | :D |
| 06:10.12 | dpower | !beer baroni |
| 06:10.22 | [bsd] | how do i create a pgp key for signing my apt-move Release files? |
| 06:10.33 | dondelelcaro | [bsd]: you don't really need one. |
| 06:10.34 | cyberWhiz | amphi: im going to check it out now -- maybe mess with the video |
| 06:10.54 | baroni | thanks dpower :D |
| 06:10.55 | dondelelcaro | [bsd]: they'll just be untrusted; if you want to create one, read the GPG howto, which explains how to create a key. |
| 06:11.33 | [bsd] | dondelelcaro: but, apt-get have stopped using my local apt-move pool |
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| 06:11.58 | foo | Still haven't gotten the spell checker working in openoffice 1.1.4 ... any ideas? |
| 06:12.01 | Roxport | can dhclient.conf specify to my dhcp server (my router) the lan ip addr of my debian box? |
| 06:12.26 | dondelelcaro | [bsd]: hrm... it shouldn't really matter; the local pool should just work. |
| 06:12.33 | valdyn | Roxport: no |
| 06:12.40 | [bsd] | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 06:12.46 | Roxport | ok |
| 06:13.03 | dondelelcaro | Roxport: if you want a static, configure your dhcpd server to hand out a static ip. |
| 06:13.30 | Roxport | dondeleocar: i'll try it |
| 06:13.33 | amphi | Roxport: you can tell dhcpd to give a specific ip to a specific mac address |
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| 06:13.39 | dpower | Roxport: you can set yourself a static ip in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:13.44 | Roxport | yes |
| 06:13.45 | Roxport | ok |
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| 06:18.56 | Jacky | HI |
| 06:19.06 | baroni | hi Jacky |
| 06:19.47 | Jacky | Are you chinese? |
| 06:19.59 | baroni | by all. thanks dpower for the beer :) |
| 06:20.05 | baroni | Jacky: no, brazilian :) |
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| 06:20.23 | baroni | by friends! thanks for help everybody |
| 06:20.26 | baroni | by! |
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| 06:20.29 | baroni | bye! |
| 06:20.35 | Jacky | :) |
| 06:20.52 | Jacky | :wq |
| 06:20.58 | nse | yes |
| 06:21.16 | Roxport | wacky vi humor |
| 06:21.28 | Jacky | Why choose debian? |
| 06:21.32 | nse | i dont know |
| 06:21.45 | nse | the air.. |
| 06:21.51 | Jacky | debian is better than redhat? |
| 06:21.53 | Lilldude10 | liable |
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| 06:21.56 | dondelelcaro | !tell Jacky -about why debian |
| 06:22.18 | nse | dondelelcaro! |
| 06:22.35 | nse | slower, please |
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| 06:23.02 | cyberWhiz | Jacky: the package manager, apt, in debian is like 1000x better than RPM |
| 06:23.14 | cyberWhiz | Jacky: i'll never go to a system that doesn't use apt now |
| 06:23.21 | nse | debian is free |
| 06:23.36 | Jetty | ???????? ! |
| 06:23.46 | Jetty | ?????????? |
| 06:23.48 | Jetty | :) |
| 06:23.53 | Jacky | I can't choose a linux to be my desk? |
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| 06:24.03 | cyberWhiz | Jacky: im not sure what you mean |
| 06:24.07 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 06:24.16 | *** mode/#debian [+Q] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:24.21 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@ipnat.dg.net.ua] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:24.35 | *** mode/#debian [-Q] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:24.36 | Jacky | I have no idea about which linux be my workspace? |
| 06:24.38 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:25.08 | cyberWhiz | Jacky: well, debian is usually pretty easy to install |
| 06:25.10 | cyberWhiz | give it a shot |
| 06:25.19 | dpower | what mode is Q dondelelcaro? |
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| 06:25.23 | dondelelcaro | Jacky: I'm not following you... you're welcome to use whatever distribution you want; we suggest Debian here. |
| 06:25.26 | dondelelcaro | !fn modes |
| 06:25.27 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, umodes is http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml |
| 06:25.34 | dpower | cool |
| 06:26.01 | Jacky | OK. Is debian mush different from redhat? |
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| 06:26.07 | dondelelcaro | Jacky: yes. |
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| 06:26.21 | Dr_Fie | at one point wasn't debian extreamly hard to install? |
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| 06:26.35 | cyberWhiz | Dr_Fie: before the auto-installer yeah |
| 06:26.45 | dondelelcaro | Dr_Fie: if you were unable to read, I guess... but even then it was pretty straightforward. |
| 06:26.46 | Dr_Fie | harder than gentoo is now? |
| 06:26.48 | cyberWhiz | Dr_Fie: but so is everything else ;] |
| 06:26.54 | Dr_Fie | dondelelcaro: lol |
| 06:26.59 | gimbal | anyone know (1) what's up or (2) a query string for dpkg, in the kdelibs4 != kdelibs4c2 breakage in sid? |
| 06:27.07 | jair_11 | I always wanted to know if someone need to install unestable or etch what the person have to do if have a netinst cd? |
| 06:27.17 | Jacky | I'll download it |
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| 06:27.20 | dondelelcaro | gimbal: that's part of the C++ transition. |
| 06:27.25 | gimbal | X many packages depend on kdelibs4 ; Y many depend on kdelibs4c2. kdelibs4c2 conflicts with kdeibs4 and my system is currently un-upgradable |
| 06:27.26 | jm_ | gimbal: it has listkeys and listvalues commands to find factoids |
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| 06:27.38 | cyberWhiz | is there any way to specify the specific kernel version i would like to install using the netinst cd? |
| 06:27.40 | jair_11 | or netinst is only for sarge 3.1 stable? |
| 06:27.49 | dondelelcaro | jair_11: install stable, upgrade; use debootstrap to isntall testing/unstable directly. |
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| 06:28.04 | gimbal | dondelelcaro: I guess I'll have to wait until the transition is over, before installing any new pakcages that depend on anything from KDE |
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| 06:28.18 | dondelelcaro | gimbal: are you using unstable? or what? |
| 06:28.22 | jair_11 | dondelelcaro, what is and where I could find it? debootstrap |
| 06:28.35 | dondelelcaro | jair_11: it's on d-i. |
| 06:28.46 | jair_11 | ohh on the cheat codes? |
| 06:28.47 | gimbal | dondelelcaro: unstable, yeah; I'v emet troubles with package deps, before, in sid but it's the only kind of trouble I can recall having met with, there |
| 06:28.58 | jair_11 | dondelelcaro, in the menu to boot? |
| 06:29.03 | Jacky | Debian is one cd, is that enough? |
| 06:29.17 | jair_11 | dondelelcaro, it is any site where I can see more info about it? |
| 06:29.25 | dondelelcaro | gimbal: use aptitude, and walk through the dependencies to see exactly what is going on there; you should be able to install most of kde save for a few packages that haven't been upgraded. |
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| 06:29.34 | dondelelcaro | jair_11: no, it's not. man debootstrap; to learn about it. |
| 06:29.37 | gimbal | dondelelcaro: heh, trying to; that 's not even working |
| 06:29.43 | dondelelcaro | Jacky: you only need one CD. |
| 06:29.48 | spdf | Jacky, There are many more CD's, You shouldn't need more than the first though.. You can get packages from the internet as they are needed.. |
| 06:30.00 | jair_11 | Jacky, do you want to install all the servers? or you have a very poor internet connection like dial up? |
| 06:30.06 | Dr_Fie | the light in my closet is freaking out |
| 06:30.07 | spdf | Jacky, This can all be configured during the installation, as well as afterwards.. |
| 06:30.10 | gimbal | dondelelcaro: for one thing, if I try to install 'basket' (which wants kdelibs4c2) then 'cdbakeoven' (which wants kdelibs4) is marked to be removed |
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| 06:30.21 | jair_11 | dondelelcaro, nice ok |
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| 06:30.24 | dondelelcaro | cdbakeoven is way out of date. |
| 06:30.33 | Jacky | OH, I see. thank you all |
| 06:30.49 | gimbal | dondelelcaro: and my cd burner is baked, but it's the best burner app I've found, imho |
| 06:30.58 | gimbal | akregator-kong-plugin also; there's something I actually use sometimes |
| 06:31.10 | dondelelcaro | !depends cdbakeoven sid |
| 06:31.16 | jm_ | maybe try k3b if you're KDE user |
| 06:31.17 | gimbal | gets marked to be removed, I mean |
| 06:31.34 | dondelelcaro | gimbal: err, my bad; it's basket that is way out of date. |
| 06:31.43 | dondelelcaro | gimbal: see bugs.debian.org/basket |
| 06:31.53 | Jacky | Do you use X in the debian? |
| 06:31.59 | dondelelcaro | Jacky: yes, you do. |
| 06:32.04 | dondelelcaro | (or, you can...) |
| 06:32.06 | cheal | gimbal: there's no such package asakregator-kong-plugin in sid |
| 06:32.10 | dondelelcaro | !tell gimbal -about bts |
| 06:32.12 | gimbal | dondelelcaro: hm; was hoping it would be a nice workaroud for nautilus + sawfish borkenedness |
| 06:32.16 | cyberWhiz | i think that, to get this laptop to boot properly, i will need to use kernel version >= 2.8.11; what is the best way to install and load that kernel? |
| 06:32.20 | Jacky | Do you usually use X? |
| 06:32.35 | jm_ | cyberWhiz: wait two more years |
| 06:32.36 | dondelelcaro | gimbal: well, rebuild it against the right version of kdelibs if you care about it... |
| 06:32.38 | cheal | Jacky: who are you talking to? |
| 06:32.43 | gimbal | and kde borkenedness. one thing about nautilis that is nice, however: Give a *.desktop file, nautilius displays the 'name' field form the file (instead of the file-name). it is actually kind of a nice feature |
| 06:32.44 | dpower | Jacky: you can use X, you can use only command line, whatever you prefer |
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| 06:32.51 | jair_11 | Ungy, are you here? |
| 06:32.55 | dondelelcaro | cyberWhiz: try one of the nightly d-i install disks. |
| 06:33.11 | Jacky | The debian fans |
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| 06:33.15 | dondelelcaro | cyberWhiz: or install using knoppix+debootstrap+manually installing a kernel. |
| 06:33.27 | gimbal | dondelelcaro: hm. not sure if the build-deps would force things I intend to keep installed to be uninstalled, but I like that idea |
| 06:33.29 | dondelelcaro | Jacky: some of us use X, some of us don't. Many of us use X to show lots of xterms. |
| 06:33.40 | cheal | Jacky: all debian fans don't have the same answer to that question |
| 06:33.45 | cyberWhiz | dondelelcaro: thanks -- ill give one of the nightly builds a shot |
| 06:33.47 | dondelelcaro | gimbal: that's what pbuilder was made for... |
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| 06:33.59 | spdf | Wholly christ... |
| 06:34.10 | gimbal | dondelelcaro: debuild is all I've known of; 1001 commands, and I'm tight about any more I'll have to learn, heh |
| 06:34.13 | spdf | God damn I hate xterm.. my bad fellas. |
| 06:34.26 | cyberWhiz | lol |
| 06:34.54 | dondelelcaro | spdf: sounds like you need to use a less garbage irc client... irssi will prompt before flooding you off.. |
| 06:35.05 | Jacky | The debian's pkg is the same as the Freebsd's pkg?? |
| 06:35.11 | dondelelcaro | Jacky: no, they're not. |
| 06:35.14 | gimbal | ok. so the kdelibs4c2 != kdelibs4 fun is unresolvable. It's good to know it with certainty |
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| 06:35.25 | cyberWhiz | spdf: ever tried ChatZilla? i love this thing |
| 06:35.38 | dondelelcaro | Jacky: these questions are all covered in the FAQ and on the various pages linked from there. |
| 06:35.39 | Jacky | OH... |
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| 06:35.56 | Jacky | What the url? |
| 06:36.03 | cyberWhiz | lol debian.org |
| 06:36.09 | cyberWhiz | Jacky: debian.org |
| 06:36.15 | dondelelcaro | Jacky: /topic |
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| 06:36.20 | dpower | Jacky: Just use debian, you wont be disapointed :)) |
| 06:36.36 | Jacky | OK. Thank you all. I decide to use debian |
| 06:37.00 | TiMiDo | Nice Jacky |
| 06:37.03 | dpower | Good decision |
| 06:37.06 | TiMiDo | Welcome to the team |
| 06:37.10 | KB0PQP | good |
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| 06:38.12 | Jacky | Is there some term I can join to develop the debian? |
| 06:38.23 | spdf | cyberWhiz, ChatZilla? Anything with Zilla in the name makes me wince :) |
| 06:38.35 | Jacky | I have ability of the C++ and Java |
| 06:38.40 | cyberWhiz | sdpf: haha alright, just a suggestion ;] I love tabbed anything pretty much |
| 06:38.45 | dondelelcaro | Jacky: http://www.us.debian.org/devel/join/ |
| 06:39.12 | spdf | cyberWhiz, I like console irc.. good 'ole fashion text based.. |
| 06:39.33 | TiMiDo | Jacky or go to #debian-devel and get to know In the Maillist Also, And FIxed up bugs, Patches Check out bug.debian.org |
| 06:39.50 | cyberWhiz | sdpf: haha i love it -- console based in an xterm |
| 06:39.50 | spdf | dondelelcaro, I like bx's /detach, I suspect I could get by with screen though.. |
| 06:39.54 | TiMiDo | *bugs.debian.org |
| 06:39.59 | dondelelcaro | spdf: far better to use screen+irssi |
| 06:40.14 | dondelelcaro | spdf: it actually works all of the time, whereas /detach fails randomly |
| 06:40.27 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, failed randomly the last time I used it...) |
| 06:40.34 | spdf | dondelelcaro, Oh, it hasn't stopped :) |
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| 06:42.14 | cyberWhiz | im obsessed with this getting this laptop to work now -- class is going to come so early tomorrow |
| 06:42.52 | spdf | cyberWhiz, Admit it, you just want to show off the sexy desktop and matrix screensaver.. |
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| 06:43.03 | thedreamstate | anyone know where i can get help with dsl? |
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| 06:43.06 | amphi | cyberWhiz: fscking with the bios didn't help? |
| 06:43.07 | thedreamstate | other than #dsl |
| 06:43.14 | cyberWhiz | spdf: hahaha you got me |
| 06:43.17 | amphi | thedreamstate: what about it? |
| 06:43.23 | cyberWhiz | amphi: nah, this is the worst bios i have ever seen |
| 06:43.37 | cyberWhiz | amphi: virtually no options |
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| 06:44.14 | amphi | cyberWhiz: booting with noacpi nolapic doesn't work either? |
| 06:44.23 | spdf | ÿ/msg dpkg depends gnome-cpufreq-applet |
| 06:44.40 | dpower | ÿ |
| 06:44.48 | cyberWhiz | amphi: noacpi or noapic? is noacpi an option? |
| 06:45.01 | spdf | cyberWhiz, their both options |
| 06:45.02 | bucky | thedreamstate, you have a dsl modem? |
| 06:45.06 | spdf | cyberWhiz, they're, rather.. |
| 06:45.26 | cyberWhiz | spdf: hmmm okay lemme try that right now |
| 06:47.51 | cyberWhiz | spdf: do you know where i could find a list of common kernel options? i've been searching but have not found a list |
| 06:48.08 | Jacky | Where can I download the Debian document? |
| 06:48.20 | spdf | Jacky, Which Debian document? |
| 06:48.22 | Jacky | Learing document? |
| 06:48.29 | spdf | Jacky, Installation Guide? |
| 06:48.53 | Jacky | Yes, and about introduce the system. |
| 06:49.11 | spdf | !tell Jacky -about debian installation |
| 06:49.22 | Jacky | Most is online document,I can't download it |
| 06:49.53 | spdf | Jacky, The same guide is on the installation cd's |
| 06:50.10 | Jacky | OK. Thanks |
| 06:50.28 | Jacky | I've download it now. I'll begin install it |
| 06:50.45 | Jacky | Bye. |
| 06:50.50 | spdf | Jacky, Good luck. |
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| 06:53.17 | cyberWhiz | does anyone know of a kernel options reference? i have been unable to find one -- kernel options in grub that is, if that is of any consequence |
| 06:53.40 | spdf | cyberWhiz, I can't think of one off hand. There are quite a few in the installation guide though.. |
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| 06:53.41 | Dark_Lord | Hi there! I need an instant help! Does anyone of you know how to make editors such as vi or mcedit display encoding that I've set in the shell? |
| 06:54.04 | cyberWhiz | spdf: yeah, ive seen those ones; trying to find if there are agp options though |
| 06:54.13 | Dark_Lord | Seems they dont inherit the locale |
| 06:54.17 | dondelelcaro | Dark_Lord: any editor that you run should follow the LANG you've set in the shell. |
| 06:54.24 | jm_ | cyberWhiz: let me know if you ever find one |
| 06:54.28 | Dark_Lord | But mine not! |
| 06:54.31 | cyberWhiz | jm_: will do |
| 06:54.34 | Dark_Lord | Hows that possible? |
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| 06:54.40 | Dark_Lord | Vi even mcedit |
| 06:54.44 | dondelelcaro | Dark_Lord: emacs does, vim should, dunno about the others. |
| 06:55.06 | Dark_Lord | So they inherit the locale and dont have their own encoding set? |
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| 06:55.29 | Dark_Lord | Is that right? |
| 06:55.30 | cyberWhiz | Dark_Lord: im pretty sure vim does inherit locale... not sure about vi |
| 06:55.42 | dondelelcaro | Dark_Lord: processes inherit the ENV from the parent process; unless they're overriding it themselves that's what they should use. |
| 06:55.50 | dondelelcaro | Dark_Lord: what exactly is the problem, though? |
| 06:55.57 | Dark_Lord | I know, thx |
| 06:56.22 | Dark_Lord | But my editors - vi and mainly mcedit (that I use to remotely edit www pages) |
| 06:56.35 | Dark_Lord | do NOT display the proper encoding |
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| 06:56.45 | Dark_Lord | Thats my problem:-) |
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| 06:57.49 | Dark_Lord | Even if I start it in this way: LANG=cs_CZ.iso88592; mc |
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| 06:57.56 | Dark_Lord | it doesnt work! |
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| 06:58.21 | Dark_Lord | Bash displays it properly but the editors do NOT! |
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| 06:59.19 | Dark_Lord | How can I make the editors display the encoding properly? |
| 06:59.21 | Dark_Lord | Please |
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| 07:00.29 | Dark_Lord | Hello!! Is anyone still there? |
| 07:00.34 | jm_ | use the editors dondelelcaro suggested |
| 07:00.46 | Dark_Lord | ok, I'll try, thx |
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| 07:01.22 | Dark_Lord | I thought there'd be some internal setting there in the editors |
| 07:01.26 | Dark_Lord | to set the encoding |
| 07:01.30 | Dark_Lord | only for them |
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| 07:02.12 | Dark_Lord | isnt there? |
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| 07:03.01 | cyberWhiz | jm_: it might be taboo in here but... gentoo has a nice list of kernel boot options |
| 07:03.19 | cyberWhiz | jm_: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/2004.3/handbook-amd64.xml?part=1&chap=2 |
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| 07:03.40 | cyberWhiz | jm_: in table, "code listing 4" |
| 07:03.50 | deadcat | damn. eletricity went out on me today. )=. too my machine down. shit dammated. too |
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| 07:04.07 | amphi | cyberWhiz: anathema! ;) |
| 07:04.31 | jm_ | cyberWhiz: you mean 3? |
| 07:04.36 | cyberWhiz | amphi: LOL youch ;] |
| 07:04.45 | cyberWhiz | jm_: yes, sorry, 4 |
| 07:04.48 | cyberWhiz | jm_ |
| 07:04.50 | cyberWhiz | LOL |
| 07:04.53 | cyberWhiz | jm_: 3 |
| 07:05.02 | jm_ | cyberWhiz: that's about 1% of kernel options ;) |
| 07:05.21 | cyberWhiz | jm_: haha its the only list i've found at all |
| 07:05.30 | jm_ | cyberWhiz: man bootparam |
| 07:05.42 | cyberWhiz | jm_: awesome, ill check that |
| 07:05.55 | jm_ | cyberWhiz: there are many pages that list this, but none of them is complete |
| 07:06.03 | jm_ | or up to date |
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| 07:07.41 | cyberWhiz | jm_: wow thank you -- thats a very helpful man page |
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| 07:12.44 | El_Divino_DT | anyone knows about postfix and smtpd_policy? |
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| 07:17.42 | sanxiyn | "FreeBSD kernel is under BSD license and not GPL-compatible" -- erast@gnusolaris.org on debian-devel |
| 07:17.52 | sanxiyn | Eh... should I laugh. |
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| 07:18.15 | sanxiyn | That's rather shocking cluelessness. |
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| 07:19.46 | sep | El_Divino_DT, ofcourse someone knows about it. now ask a real question |
| 07:20.11 | ram_einstein | hi all, I have an IBM R51 Thinkpad with Fedora Core 4 and the applications aren't very stable and it's a little slow and sloppy.... I'm not too happy. Debian has a reputation of being extremely stable so I was wondering if I should switch... |
| 07:20.24 | El_Divino_DT | i find something. while i was waiting. let me check and i let you know. thank you sep |
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| 07:21.56 | loxley_ | ram_einstein: yes, i would switch |
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| 07:22.23 | ram_einstein | loxley_, does Sarge (Debian 3.1) support new laptops well? |
| 07:22.31 | sanxiyn | ram_einstein: Depends on laptop, really. |
| 07:22.35 | bucky | ram_einstein, prolly the blue curve desktop of FC4 is using a lot of resources |
| 07:22.36 | sanxiyn | Worked for me. |
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| 07:22.47 | loxley_ | ram_einstein: as sanxiyn said.. |
| 07:22.55 | bucky | a light weight desktop like xfce4 would be better |
| 07:23.03 | sanxiyn | ram_einstein: Hm, http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/ has article on IBM Thinkpad R51 on Debian Sarge |
| 07:23.10 | sanxiyn | ram_einstein: Probably it's okay. |
| 07:23.14 | ram_einstein | sanxiyn, thanks... I'll look |
| 07:23.21 | ram_einstein | bucky, yes |
| 07:23.29 | ram_einstein | sanxiyn, you switched? |
| 07:23.49 | ram_einstein | why do applications crash so often? it doesn't happen on my desktop |
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| 07:23.56 | sanxiyn | ram_einstein: I have no idea. |
| 07:24.08 | sanxiyn | ram_einstein: http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/ibm.html |
| 07:24.38 | ram_einstein | cool! thanks sanxiyn |
| 07:24.41 | sanxiyn | IBM Thinkpad R51 [Debian] link seems to be good. From X, Kernel to touchpad, button, ACPI, fan, suspend, throttle... |
| 07:24.45 | ram_einstein | there are a lot of resources |
| 07:25.07 | sanxiyn | ram_einstein: Wireless seems to work okay too. Good. |
| 07:25.20 | POVaddct | sanxiyn: hdaps driver should be fun |
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| 07:26.58 | sanxiyn | ram_einstein: If you find good article, laptops can be sometimes *easiler*. Because it's exactly same configuration. |
| 07:27.05 | sanxiyn | easier |
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| 07:27.39 | ram_einstein | I see |
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| 07:29.51 | ram_einstein | sanxiyn, why debian sarge then? why not gentoo or ubuntu? |
| 07:29.59 | ram_einstein | I tried ubuntu on it... it sucks |
| 07:30.06 | ram_einstein | worse than fedora |
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| 07:30.09 | sanxiyn | ram_einstein: Indeed, other distributions shouldn't be much different. |
| 07:30.12 | ram_einstein | millions of bugs |
| 07:30.36 | sanxiyn | ram_einstein: That's different from what others say... perhaps mileage vary. |
| 07:31.08 | ram_einstein | sanxiyn, after ubuntu I am not feeling confident about Sarge |
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| 07:31.36 | ram_einstein | that's the real reason I came to ask here |
| 07:31.39 | sanxiyn | ram_einstein: What were those millions of bugs? Have you reported them? |
| 07:31.56 | rss | hi, is there any way to display time on title bar in Window Maker without any hackery? |
| 07:31.57 | ram_einstein | sanxiyn, yeah... about printers too |
| 07:32.08 | ram_einstein | and ps2pdf suddenly stopped working |
| 07:32.11 | ram_einstein | and what not? |
| 07:32.24 | ram_einstein | it didn't print on my hp laserjet 1010 suddenly |
| 07:32.30 | jm_ | rss: it's pretty simple with your shell (assuming you only want it updated when prompt is displayed) |
| 07:32.31 | ram_einstein | for no reason at all |
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| 07:33.11 | rss | jm_: on the title bar of every application in Window Maker? |
| 07:33.14 | chealer | ram_einstein, the number of bugs in debian and ubuntu should be similar |
| 07:33.19 | POVaddct | ram_einstein: do apps segfault on the ibm? did you check the RAM? |
| 07:33.22 | chealer | debian is more stable though |
| 07:33.23 | sanxiyn | ram_einstein: You can /join #ubuntu. |
| 07:33.34 | Jacky | I've already install the debian. but no X to login |
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| 07:33.51 | sanxiyn | Jacky: So install it? |
| 07:34.03 | Jacky | How to install X? |
| 07:34.15 | sanxiyn | apt-get install x-window-system |
| 07:34.21 | jm_ | rss: ahh no that requires window manager support |
| 07:34.31 | doleyb | chealer: debian should have more than 5x bugs as ubuntu, because it has more than 7x the packages |
| 07:34.42 | sanxiyn | doleyb: Heh. :-) |
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| 07:34.46 | Jacky | The X is not in the CD? |
| 07:35.21 | sanxiyn | Jacky: It's not in the netinstall CD. |
| 07:35.22 | Jacky | Installing X is must be online? |
| 07:35.35 | Jacky | not netinstall CD |
| 07:35.56 | sanxiyn | Jacky: No. X is in CD #1. |
| 07:36.10 | Jacky | OK ,i try it agagin. thank you |
| 07:36.24 | ram_einstein | sanxiyn chealer and POVaddct, I didn't check if apps segfault, I've been to #ubuntu many times, and if it's going to perform the same way as ubuntu, I'm definitely not going for Sarge |
| 07:36.30 | sanxiyn | ram_einstein: LaserJet 4050 here no problem. Which CUPS driver you used? |
| 07:36.43 | ram_einstein | hpijs |
| 07:36.47 | ram_einstein | and px1010 |
| 07:36.51 | ram_einstein | I tried both |
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| 07:37.00 | R5000 | hi |
| 07:37.01 | ram_einstein | all kinds of errors |
| 07:37.14 | R5000 | any one knows any package in apt for quatas? |
| 07:37.22 | R5000 | quotas |
| 07:37.27 | sanxiyn | ram_einstein: Too bad... |
| 07:37.48 | sanxiyn | ram_einstein: I have no reason to believe other distributions will behave better with that printer with same CUPS driver. |
| 07:38.07 | sanxiyn | tru64: "quota"? |
| 07:38.10 | cyberWhiz | R5000: i think quota is one |
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| 07:38.28 | karsten | tru64: quota |
| 07:38.30 | cyberWhiz | R5000: quotatools is a command line interface to the disk quota system, also avail through apt |
| 07:38.35 | tru64 | sanxiyn yes to put space limit on directorys |
| 07:38.43 | karsten | tru64: apt-cache search quota. |
| 07:38.48 | tru64 | oh ok |
| 07:38.52 | karsten | tru64: ... and it applies to filesystems, not directories. |
| 07:38.53 | sanxiyn | tru64: I mean, Debian's "quota" package provides quota. |
| 07:38.56 | ram_einstein | sanxiyn, fc4 is much better |
| 07:39.00 | ram_einstein | MUCH |
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| 07:39.09 | tru64 | ok |
| 07:39.14 | zasz | hi |
| 07:39.16 | ram_einstein | I think it's because updates come faster on fc4 than on ubuntu |
| 07:39.22 | sanxiyn | ram_einstein: Interesting. Perhaps FC 4 includes improvements for that specific printer...? |
| 07:39.24 | sanxiyn | I don't know. |
| 07:39.36 | karsten | tru64: truth is I know relatively few shops which actually implement quotas, they're a pain. |
| 07:39.46 | doleyb | karsten: i'd say it applies to users, not filesystems or dirs |
| 07:39.49 | tru64 | :O |
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| 07:40.04 | ram_einstein | sanxiyn, not to my knowledge |
| 07:40.09 | zasz | I have setup my openVPN tunnel at work. I can connect from home to the VPN server and I can ping the vpns TUN ip address. I can't ping hosts on the internal subnets though. Do I need to add a route on the VPN server, or enable routing? |
| 07:40.21 | karsten | tru64: ... it also is dependent on the type of filesystem (eg: ext2, ext3, reiserfs) you're using. IIRC reiser quota support is limited. |
| 07:40.22 | ram_einstein | but overall, fc4 was way better than ubuntu |
| 07:40.24 | roler | is there a way to run internet explorer in debian? I'm trying to run the setup with wine and it's not working... I would like to be able to test my website development on one box isntead of two... |
| 07:40.28 | ram_einstein | in those aspects |
| 07:40.30 | sanxiyn | ram_einstein: That's a pretty vague statement. |
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| 07:40.37 | karsten | doleyb: The limitations are per user, per filesystem. _NOT_ per directory. |
| 07:40.41 | tru64 | karsten oh i see |
| 07:40.50 | karsten | roler: Yes. Sidenet Wine w/ MSIE 6.0 |
| 07:40.54 | bob2 | roler: appdb.codeweavers.com |
| 07:40.54 | ram_einstein | only that programs crash a lot more often and they are *slow* |
| 07:41.06 | humbolt | is there an openoffice2 backport for sarge yet and/or is one planned? |
| 07:41.23 | karsten | roler: http://frankscorner.org/index.php?p=ie6 |
| 07:41.23 | ram_einstein | sanxiyn, I don't remember my experience on ubuntu very well... |
| 07:41.26 | cyberWhiz | oooh yeah! anyone who has been in here -- i just got my laptop to boot using the most recent etch netinst |
| 07:41.27 | sanxiyn | roler: You need some specific wine version for stable IE. |
| 07:41.33 | doleyb | karsten: well no it's not per filesystem, but that's semantics |
| 07:41.43 | roler | wow |
| 07:41.45 | roler | thanks guys! |
| 07:42.05 | bob2 | humbolt: #debian-oo would probalbly know more |
| 07:42.08 | karsten | doleyb: the original question was for per-directory quota support. I'm not aware of any such thing in Linux. Which FYI isn't about semantics, but comprehension. |
| 07:42.18 | sanxiyn | roler: I had a good luck with WineTools, but YMMV. |
| 07:42.32 | karsten | roler: NP. It's a bit unstable last I tried it, but if you just need to do a quick "does it render" check, should work. |
| 07:42.47 | karsten | roler: WINE's always been fast moving, situation may have changed. I tried this ~February. |
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| 07:43.22 | sanxiyn | ~June here. Even stock Debian version once worked. It doesn't work, I think. |
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| 07:43.27 | sanxiyn | (doesn't work now, I mean) |
| 07:43.43 | sanxiyn | Stick with known-to-work version for less trouble. |
| 07:43.49 | karsten | sanxiyn: Good advice. |
| 07:44.10 | sanxiyn | This is very annoying though -- basically, WINE has *no* regression tracking, or nearly so. |
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| 07:44.12 | karsten | roler: ... you might want a chroot install just for MSIE support if it's sufficiently critical. |
| 07:44.40 | amphi | cyberWhiz: cool ;) |
| 07:44.43 | sanxiyn | IF all apps that worked at least once on WINE continued to work, WINE will run virtually all Windows programs by now. :( |
| 07:44.47 | karsten | sanxiyn: It's a thanklessly unforgiving task, if you think about it. |
| 07:45.02 | cyberWhiz | amphi: definitely, now to work on the wireless ;] |
| 07:45.04 | tvn | humbolt: you can install OO2 easily to Debian following the instructions provided |
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| 07:45.29 | karsten | sanxiyn: ... that would require someone to have pretty much anything anyone's ever tried to run under WINE, which gets, um, difficult. Not that I don't agree on a "it would be nice" basis, but I'd hate it to be my problem. |
| 07:45.32 | amphi | cyberWhiz: what kernel is in testing? |
| 07:45.49 | roler | woohoo! |
| 07:46.06 | cyberWhiz | amphi: 2.6.12 |
| 07:46.07 | roler | it's installing! |
| 07:46.14 | sanxiyn | karsten: It's a huge work indeed. But without regression testing, things can't get much better... |
| 07:46.17 | roler | I can't believe it |
| 07:46.19 | roler | this is cool |
| 07:46.26 | karsten | roler: ;-) |
| 07:46.27 | humbolt | tvn: instructions provided where? |
| 07:46.35 | sanxiyn | karsten: Look at Mauve, Java API tests for Classpath hackers. |
| 07:46.40 | karsten | tru64: Might also want to look at: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Quota.html |
| 07:46.43 | tvn | humbolt: in the README file after you download the OO2 tarball |
| 07:46.46 | humbolt | tvn: could I just recompile the sid packages for sarge? |
| 07:47.06 | amphi | cyberWhiz: I'm using the 1.0.4 version on 2.6.11.12, which seems to work well - 1.0.6 seemed to break monitor mode |
| 07:47.11 | tvn | humbolt: no just install the binary ones from openoffice.org |
| 07:47.21 | karsten | sanxiyn: Testing a known API with freely available and CLI-driven tests is one thing. Testing a gelatinous corpus of various proprietary GUI crapware is quite another. |
| 07:47.38 | karsten | sanxiyn: ... I'm somewhat painfully aware of this in my current position, actually. |
| 07:47.38 | cyberWhiz | amphi: yeah, im expecting that ill have to make some changes -- im glad its booting now though |
| 07:47.49 | amphi | cyberWhiz: changes? |
| 07:47.51 | humbolt | tvn: Will I end up with an integrated solution or something, that does not really work? |
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| 07:48.15 | cyberWhiz | amphi: maybe recompile the kernel, whatever... i just wanted to get it up and running using netinst, so much faster |
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| 07:48.19 | amphi | cyberWhiz: it should build fine against 2.6.12 - just install the kernel source |
| 07:48.31 | cyberWhiz | amphi: oooh im sorry |
| 07:48.32 | humbolt | tvn: I need this for a production office thin client system |
| 07:48.36 | cyberWhiz | amphi: yeah, gotcha |
| 07:48.38 | amphi | cyberWhiz: the kernel source package |
| 07:48.40 | tvn | humbolt: you will end up having oo2 installed in /opt so it does not interfere with your current setting ... you can keep your oo1.x |
| 07:48.50 | cyberWhiz | amphi: yeah, for the ipw2200 drivers you mean |
| 07:49.04 | cyberWhiz | amphi: to build against kernel source |
| 07:49.07 | bibe | cyberWhiz : what wireless driver are you looking for? |
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| 07:49.10 | Jacky | Does Debian support the wireless? |
| 07:49.19 | bibe | Jacky : it does |
| 07:49.25 | Jacky | I'll install it in my notebook |
| 07:49.27 | cyberWhiz | bibe: im going to use the ipw2200 SF project |
| 07:49.28 | amphi | cyberWhiz: yeah - & don't forget t3h 3vil firmware ;) |
| 07:50.00 | cyberWhiz | amphi: haha yeah, i've been reading the sf project pages... there is NO documentation |
| 07:50.06 | sanxiyn | karsten: Well, I know I'm just bitching. But with Wine 0.9 "release" now, I hope for more focus on testing. |
| 07:50.18 | bibe | cyberWhiz : there are debian packages for the ipw2200-source (and ieee80211-source for versions 1.0.4 and above) |
| 07:50.20 | amphi | cyberWhiz: no documentation? |
| 07:50.30 | POVaddct | Jacky: you have to know your wireless chipset. not all chipsets are supported. |
| 07:50.32 | sanxiyn | karsten: http://www.astro.gla.ac.uk/users/paulm/WRT/wrt.php is one such effort. |
| 07:50.51 | cyberWhiz | amphi: well, sparse documentation at best; very cryptic install docs I thought |
| 07:50.54 | karsten | sanxiyn: Sweer. |
| 07:51.00 | karsten | sanxiyn: s/r/t/ |
| 07:51.06 | cyberWhiz | amphi: the ones included in the archive |
| 07:51.10 | Jacky | POVaddct: I have no idea about it. My compute is IBM's notebook |
| 07:51.11 | amphi | cyberWhiz: there's http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/README.ipw2200 |
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| 07:51.20 | sanxiyn | karsten: Hm, 16882 tests currently, which passed on Nov 2. |
| 07:51.21 | cyberWhiz | amphi: oh okay ,i was looking at INSTALL |
| 07:51.23 | bibe | cyberWhiz : I am using a vanilla 2.6.13.4 kernel w/ ipw2200 1.0.6, I wrote an howto, do you want the link |
| 07:51.30 | amphi | cyberWhiz: for a start, and a lot of info on the main page |
| 07:51.32 | cyberWhiz | bibe: yeah, I would like to check that out |
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| 07:51.45 | TasmanianDevil | can u help me please |
| 07:51.50 | POVaddct | Jacky: then it's probably a ipw2100 or ipw2200 (both are supported) |
| 07:51.51 | Jacky | Do you know support it? |
| 07:51.55 | bibe | http://www.atworkonline.it/~bibe/sarge |
| 07:51.56 | amphi | bibe: monitor mode works well for you with 1.0.6? |
| 07:51.57 | karsten | sanxiyn: AFAIK, part of the problem is that there's no definitivee public Windows API published, and what is published is sorely incomplete. |
| 07:52.06 | Jacky | Thank you,POVaddct. |
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| 07:52.23 | bibe | amphi : yes, I drove 40 kms yesterday with kismet up and running |
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| 07:52.34 | POVaddct | Jacky: i can also be a atheros chipset, which is supported as well (although the driver has closed source parts) |
| 07:52.39 | karsten | sanxiyn: ... though if you can reduce the problem to "does it implement the published API" you're up on the game. Problem is a lot of shit is written which intentionally or otherwise violates standard. |
| 07:52.50 | POVaddct | gotta go |
| 07:53.38 | amphi | bibe: cool; it behaved strangely when I tried it, I forget what it was now - 1.0.4 works ok ATM |
| 07:53.41 | Jacky | POVaddct, debian will install the wireless driver automaticly? |
| 07:53.55 | karsten | sanxiyn: The other way to go is to get a list of what breaks shit, and then develop a test for that condition. Either way is painful. |
| 07:53.59 | cyberWhiz | bibe: looks like a very thorough tutorial, thank you |
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| 07:54.43 | amphi | bibe: I'll try 1.0.8 when I go to 2.6.14 |
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| 07:55.33 | TasmanianDevil | i am a newbie. i have installed Knoppix 4 on my hard disk. i did a apt-get upgrade. now the login screen is not going beyond configuring peripherals |
| 07:55.38 | bibe | amphi : I already tried 1.0.8 but I got some firmware errors (of course I did upgrade the firmware before using 1.0.8) |
| 07:55.39 | amphi | bibe: BTW, do you have that page linked from linux-laptop.net or tuxmobil.org? |
| 07:55.56 | bibe | amphi : yes :) |
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| 07:56.02 | karsten | !knoppix |
| 07:56.03 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandriva is redhat. |
| 07:56.10 | amphi | bibe: good on yer ;) |
| 07:56.14 | sanxiyn | karsten: I'm sure it's painful, but that doesn't mean it should be done sooner or later. |
| 07:56.29 | sanxiyn | (... it shouldn't be ...) |
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| 07:56.44 | mattfury | i have a theory on M$'s business theory. |
| 07:56.45 | karsten | sanxiyn: That's not what I said. Commentary is to difficulty, not desireability. |
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| 07:57.17 | mattfury | one try's to release the software (M$), and the other (apple) produces all the hardware for it....where they are actually in an alliance ...? |
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| 07:57.30 | amphi | mattfury: that's getting quite theoretical ;) |
| 07:58.00 | mattfury | some of this new stuff; expected to be bigger than google...! |
| 07:58.33 | amphi | new stuff? |
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| 07:58.45 | karsten | mattfury: Whatever you're smoking ... |
| 07:58.51 | karsten | mattfury: ... please smoke more ... |
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| 07:59.01 | karsten | mattfury: ... until you've fallen to the floor ... |
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| 07:59.08 | karsten | mattfury: ... and can't get up. Thank you. |
| 07:59.17 | torc | "ioctl(3, CCISS_GETPCIINFO or PMU_IOC_GET_BACKLIGHT, 0xbfc9032c) = -1 ENOTTY (Inappropriate ioctl for device)" what may that mean in strace output? |
| 07:59.45 | mattfury | of course, I've used M$ for 5 - 8 yrs and am not changing back to windows' crap ever again. |
| 07:59.52 | torc | the HP array configuration utility cannot detect any controllers. that may be the cause. |
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| 08:00.25 | amphi | mattfury: what's bigger than google? enquiring minds want to know ;) |
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| 08:01.16 | concept10 | altavista |
| 08:01.40 | mattfury | amphi, karsten: i think mister gates has been smokin' some weed, he is talking about actually talking to the computer o_0 |
| 08:01.51 | mattfury | and wants to complete in the next decade. |
| 08:02.00 | mattfury | *_* |
| 08:02.10 | amphi | *shrug* I talk to mine, usually a stream of curses |
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| 08:02.25 | mattfury | actual talking... not text |
| 08:02.32 | mattfury | *intertextuality* |
| 08:02.32 | bob2 | dictation is not that hard |
| 08:02.38 | amphi | mattfury: well, it's more shouting in my case |
| 08:02.42 | bob2 | MS could easily do it in 10 years if they wanted to |
| 08:02.49 | TasmanianDevil | i thought since knoppix was a flavour of debian, u might be able to help |
| 08:02.49 | sep | mattfury, so when you are anoyed at the computer you type curses in a xterm ? :) |
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| 08:02.51 | mattfury | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4382112.stm |
| 08:03.05 | bob2 | remember they could employ 10 000 ace programmers indefinitely with their cash reserves |
| 08:03.09 | amphi | MS have a lot of good people in the black hole of MS Research |
| 08:04.03 | mattfury | "TV will be redefined so that the shows can be when you want them. They can be personalised; when you see the news it will on the topics you care about" |
| 08:04.04 | mattfury | Bill Gates, Microsoft |
| 08:04.05 | sep | bob2, i think the voice recognition part is the tricky thing. and that's not realy programmers work. more then 1 company have gone bankrupt on trying to get the groundbreaking voicerecognition to function properly |
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| 08:04.32 | bob2 | sep: I gather ibm and co have working software for dictation already |
| 08:04.46 | mattfury | i like some of his aims..... just seems *easier* to h4x0r lol. |
| 08:04.51 | amphi | 'more power over their content', heh - how does that square with DRM ? |
| 08:04.55 | sep | bob2, for all languageas and dialects ? great :) |
| 08:04.56 | mattfury | mmm windows box. |
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| 08:05.09 | bob2 | sep: for british/amrican english |
| 08:05.40 | mattfury | Linux VS Windows = linux. |
| 08:05.44 | sep | i'd see my mother tring to talk english to the computer.... lol it would go right out the window :) |
| 08:05.49 | mattfury | mainly because it's free. |
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| 08:05.59 | mattfury | debate my arse and kick me out. |
| 08:06.09 | zasz | plus |
| 08:06.22 | amphi | mattfury: his remarks in that article are fairly content-free, IMHO |
| 08:06.23 | zasz | there is now an openstep enviroment for linux |
| 08:06.26 | bob2 | anyway |
| 08:06.31 | bob2 | this discussion is kinda silly |
| 08:06.38 | mattfury | ? |
| 08:07.08 | mattfury | why? |
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| 08:08.24 | Jacky | When installing the X, if some parameters are not set right, it will destory the hardware? |
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| 08:09.38 | silverton | is there a way to mount an ftp server to a folder from the terminal? |
| 08:09.46 | bob2 | no |
| 08:09.48 | bob2 | well, yes |
| 08:09.51 | bob2 | but ftpfs is shit |
| 08:09.53 | silverton | darn |
| 08:09.54 | bob2 | so I'd avoid it |
| 08:10.23 | Johannes | hi! this is my first post here. |
| 08:10.25 | Johannes | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:10.26 | Johannes | aptitude changelog php4 says last release was on august 24th. |
| 08:10.28 | Johannes | thx! |
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| 08:10.37 | bob2 | if it's serious |
| 08:10.40 | bob2 | well, no |
| 08:10.49 | bob2 | the security fixes will be backported to whatever is in sarge |
| 08:10.50 | Mage\work | bob2: waht about FUSE ? |
| 08:11.03 | bob2 | which will be a massive pain in the arse |
| 08:11.15 | silverton | Yeah, I got that, a bit confused about how it works... |
| 08:11.44 | Mage\work | Is Fuse not done to replace ftpfs ? |
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| 08:12.18 | rss | can I prefix or suffix the text on the title bar on window maker? |
| 08:13.07 | amphi | Jacky: probably not, unless it's very old |
| 08:13.12 | karsten | silverton: You _might_ want to look at mc |
| 08:13.42 | mattfury | So does Google want to be the next Microsoft? // this might be interesting to discuss. |
| 08:13.45 | karsten | rss: Yes. '-t' or '--title' option to a lot of commands. There's a bash prompt to set terminal titles (I use it). Or Xt resources as well. |
| 08:13.49 | Jacky | amphi: What's very old? |
| 08:13.56 | karsten | mattfury: Didn't I tell you to keep smoking? |
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| 08:14.21 | rss | karsten: thanks |
| 08:14.24 | karsten | rss: NP |
| 08:14.35 | karsten | rss: Which specific windows? |
| 08:14.39 | mattfury | karsten, FYI, i do not smoke or drink, I never will, anyone that does will fux0r there life to the max. |
| 08:14.42 | bob2 | it wont be interetsing to discuss |
| 08:14.44 | bob2 | hahaha |
| 08:14.56 | streuner | heh |
| 08:14.59 | bob2 | mattfury: anyway, try #debian-simplistic-offtopic-arguments or something |
| 08:15.13 | mattfury | channel doesnt exist. |
| 08:15.18 | mattfury | if it does i am a fool. |
| 08:15.22 | streuner | create it new |
| 08:15.27 | silverton | mattfury, he was being sarcastic... |
| 08:15.48 | streuner | mattfury: how old are you? |
| 08:15.50 | karsten | sarcasm, meet mattfury |
| 08:15.56 | karsten | mattfury, meet sarcasm |
| 08:16.05 | karsten | streuner: 4? |
| 08:16.22 | silverton | spelling is much more then a four year olds would be |
| 08:16.32 | streuner | How can somebody know for sure what might be in future? :-) |
| 08:16.44 | karsten | streuner: I'm not telling ;-) |
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| 08:17.06 | mattfury | bob2, Can i have permission to tell karsten to go fuck himself? |
| 08:17.07 | rss | karsten: xterm, firefox |
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| 08:17.16 | mattfury | don't worry. |
| 08:17.25 | amphi | Jacky: the monitor |
| 08:17.46 | amphi | !beer mattfury |
| 08:18.10 | CAGe | bye |
| 08:18.16 | mattfury | !lose mattfury |
| 08:18.17 | dpkg | mattfury: You Lose. |
| 08:18.36 | karsten | rss: For xterm: -tn 'string'. For firefox, I'm not sure. |
| 08:18.48 | rss | karsten: i found out |
| 08:18.54 | rss | karsten: thanks for help |
| 08:19.19 | karsten | rss: Sorry, '-title', not '-tn'. |
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| 08:21.15 | Jacky | I've install the X in the Debian. |
| 08:22.03 | karsten | !beer bob2 |
| 08:22.31 | bob2 | exetel |
| 08:22.35 | bob2 | I wonder if it's GMAIL |
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| 08:23.01 | streuner | if you don't know who else? |
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| 08:24.22 | Beleys | Yop |
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| 08:25.42 | terr_ | any python programmers here. I need to use sin/cos and get unknown function |
| 08:25.43 | karsten | streuner: Wheaty, I think. Spaten == wheat beer. |
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| 08:26.51 | karsten | terr_: There's a couple of very handy python references you can apt-get |
| 08:27.18 | bob2 | terr_: math module |
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| 08:27.31 | terr_ | got it. |
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| 08:29.40 | karsten | export PS1='\[\033]0;\u@\h:\w | $(date) \007\][\u@\h:\W]$ ' |
| 08:30.47 | streuner | karsten: well, learned something new already :-) |
| 08:30.54 | karsten | streuner: Wozzat? |
| 08:31.08 | streuner | Spaten Optimator - it exist |
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| 08:31.16 | karsten | streuner: Ah... |
| 08:31.27 | karsten | streuner: ... and here I thought you were going to say something about shell prompts ;-) |
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| 08:31.49 | amphi | karsten: no cpu temp? ;) |
| 08:32.32 | some_dude | I've got debian running under debian, and it's SLOW |
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| 08:32.48 | axscode | debian running under debian? |
| 08:32.50 | deadcat | karsten: not bad. |
| 08:32.51 | elephantman | How can i display the computer time via command line ? |
| 08:32.55 | elephantman | To check if its correct |
| 08:33.04 | axscode | time? |
| 08:33.10 | deadcat | elephantman: date |
| 08:33.13 | axscode | date |
| 08:33.14 | karsten | amphi: Heh. |
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| 08:33.16 | some_dude | I've got debian running under qemu ON debian |
| 08:33.34 | coollinux | hi there |
| 08:33.37 | some_dude | with the kqemu module, how can i speed it up ? |
| 08:33.38 | elephantman | deadcat: is there a way to autoset it ? |
| 08:33.54 | deadcat | elephantman: run the date command? autoset like how? |
| 08:33.57 | coollinux | i am looking for help on jfbterm package included with debian |
| 08:34.16 | elephantman | deadcat: like synchronize it with a remote time server |
| 08:34.18 | karsten | amphi: This box doesn't appears to support that. |
| 08:34.29 | karsten | elephantman: date. See also hwclock. |
| 08:34.33 | deadcat | elephantman: ntp package |
| 08:34.38 | karsten | elephantman: ntpd |
| 08:34.44 | coollinux | does ukai the current maintainer of the product lurk here in this channel |
| 08:34.51 | coollinux | or somebody has worked on jfbterm here |
| 08:34.52 | elephantman | ok i check those - thanx all |
| 08:35.00 | amphi | karsten: oh, well |
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| 08:35.13 | user02 | 1 |
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| 08:35.28 | karsten | deadcat: Can you post your desktop screenshot/ |
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| 08:35.53 | karsten | streuner: Hrm. "spaten" is the brewery. |
| 08:35.55 | deadcat | karsten: gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/ |
| 08:36.33 | deadcat | karsten: under screenshots for the latest one. |
| 08:38.21 | coollinux | so can anybody help me out with JFBTERM(cjk terminal emulator) |
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| 08:38.50 | axscode | warning: fopen(/etc/asterisk/sip_additional.conf): failed to open stream: Permission denied in /var/www/drupal/modules/astbill/astsettings.module on line 426. |
| 08:39.01 | axscode | hi guyz.. anyone can help me with the permission of the files? |
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| 08:40.48 | Valombre | hi |
| 08:40.58 | rellik | how come mplayer uses 100% of my CPU (1gig ram, 1GHz) when zoomed to full screen? is there anyway to fix that ? |
| 08:41.34 | chealer | rellik, this isn't an mplayer support channel |
| 08:41.37 | caphuso | rellik: use a sane -vo setting |
| 08:42.07 | Eclipser | rellik, #mplayer |
| 08:42.11 | some_dude | don't use mplayer zoomed into full screen ? |
| 08:42.50 | jhelisa | aranýzda türk var mý |
| 08:43.10 | Eclipser | !english |
| 08:43.11 | dpkg | somebody said english was a language spoken by guys who always write the fscking word: coloUr :), or a loose conglomeration of random words from french, german, and latin, or http://www.unique.cc/ron/estuff.htm or one of the most bastardised languages ever, borrowing from all over the world, or english, motherfucker, do you speak it? or ALL YOUR WORD ARE BELONG TO US!! |
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| 08:43.12 | Valombre | when i try to convert rpm packages (OOo) into deb package, there is this error: "dpkg-gencontrol: error: current build architecture amd64 does not appear in package's list (i386)" << what must i do ? |
| 08:43.45 | fooz | Valombre, don't convert RPM packages to debs? |
| 08:43.49 | Eclipser | indeed |
| 08:43.59 | Eclipser | there's deb packages of OOo? :) |
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| 08:44.10 | bucky | Valombre, is this on a amd64 computer? |
| 08:44.12 | fooz | Valombre, RPMs are for red hat or SuSE, not for debian |
| 08:44.21 | Valombre | yes bucky |
| 08:44.44 | plbgnr | hello, I have debian install DVD and can't find kernel source package on it (apt-cache search kernel|grep source) is possible that this package is not on DVD? or i'm searching wrong? |
| 08:45.02 | bucky | you need to do that in your chroot.. see the install howto for debian-amd64 and ask in #debian-amd64 |
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| 08:45.26 | Valombre | ok...thanks |
| 08:45.45 | Valombre | bye |
| 08:45.50 | hsc2104_ | hi, I'm having some internet connection issues with ubuntu, but haven |
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| 08:45.56 | hsc2104_ | been able to get any help there |
| 08:46.03 | Eclipser | try again |
| 08:46.06 | Eclipser | this is not #ubuntu |
| 08:46.07 | kneet | Got a box where munin is showing excessive memory use. Any recommendations on how to monitor memory use over time split by app? |
| 08:46.15 | hsc2104_ | okay |
| 08:46.17 | coollinux | ukai is here |
| 08:46.19 | coollinux | is he |
| 08:46.28 | karsten | kneet: ps aux in a shell loop. |
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| 08:46.42 | kneet | karsten, for a week on a live web server? |
| 08:46.43 | karsten | kneet: ... or other ps option recipies. |
| 08:46.47 | karsten | kneet: Sure. |
| 08:47.01 | karsten | kneet: You might want a sleep in there. |
| 08:47.28 | karsten | kneet: while :; do date; ps aux; echo; sleep 60; done |
| 08:47.38 | karsten | kneet: ... gives you a timestamp |
| 08:47.44 | Jacky | How can I set the eth0's gateway? |
| 08:47.50 | kneet | karsten, OK :) |
| 08:47.55 | karsten | Jacky: route add default gw <IP> |
| 08:48.04 | Jacky | Thanks |
| 08:48.14 | karsten | Jacky: ... permanently, that goes in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:48.19 | notPoncha | it's not exactly eth0's gw |
| 08:48.20 | Xsquared | hi, i am looking for a program that will calculate bandwidth and output it to the console. Not the current kb/s or mb/s but the total amount transferred for the time that the program has been running |
| 08:48.22 | karsten | Jacky: man interfaces. |
| 08:48.24 | notPoncha | it's the *default* |
| 08:48.25 | karsten | notPoncha: Point. |
| 08:48.34 | karsten | Jacky: Got multiple interfaces? |
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| 08:49.30 | Xsquared | does anyone know of one? |
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| 08:49.52 | poncha|work | Xsquared, ifconfig ... |
| 08:49.55 | poncha|work | ;-) |
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| 08:50.08 | poncha|work | see RX TX |
| 08:50.11 | Guerin | Xsquared: lots. iptraf, nettop |
| 08:50.23 | Guerin | there's another one I can't remember though |
| 08:50.39 | Xsquared | ok, thanks |
| 08:51.34 | jm_ | jnettop |
| 08:51.51 | jm_ | or ntop |
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| 08:52.18 | Xsquared | thanks |
| 08:52.26 | Xsquared | iptraf looks nice |
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| 08:55.18 | Jacky | When I use "route add gw <IP>", it says "Host name lookup failure",Why? |
| 08:55.34 | doleyb | Jacky: what exactly do you type? |
| 08:55.35 | karsten | Jacky: route add default gw <IP> |
| 08:55.42 | karsten | Jacky: ... you're missing the text "default". |
| 08:55.53 | Jacky | route add gw 192.168.65.111 |
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| 08:56.10 | Jacky | Is it right? |
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| 08:56.28 | rage | is it just me or is google.com down? |
| 08:56.34 | deadcat | karsten: whats the link to your screenshots? |
| 08:56.47 | karsten | Jacky: http://www.cpqlinux.com/routes.html |
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| 08:56.50 | doleyb | rage: its not just you, others have seen that |
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| 08:57.12 | rage | And suddenly, the internet becomes useless to me :-( |
| 08:57.26 | deadcat | rage: ya. nothing to do... |
| 08:57.38 | karsten | deadcat: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/XP-screen.png http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/WM-screen.png |
| 08:57.42 | deadcat | karsten: cool |
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| 08:57.51 | karsten | deadcat: Got yours up any chance? |
| 08:58.26 | coollinux | hi anybody here a user of jfbterm |
| 08:58.27 | karsten | rage: It's just you |
| 08:58.35 | karsten | rage: 'host google.com' |
| 08:58.55 | rage | I'm getting a 502 Server Error |
| 08:59.17 | liable | who broke the internet? |
| 08:59.23 | nyingen | It will be fun when google inc hold the world hostage |
| 08:59.26 | deadcat | karsten: i gave you the link |
| 08:59.50 | karsten | rage: FWIW: google.com has address 72.14.207.99 google.com has address 64.233.187.99 |
| 08:59.53 | rage | google.com has address 64.233.187.99 |
| 09:00.01 | rage | google.com has address 72.14.207.99 |
| 09:00.02 | rage | yeah |
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| 09:00.43 | rage | its back :-) |
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| 09:00.59 | linh | hey guys |
| 09:01.33 | Jacky | How can add the DNS? |
| 09:01.39 | linh | hey |
| 09:01.42 | linh | can you use google? |
| 09:01.46 | linh | i can't seem to connect to google |
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| 09:01.53 | dondelelcaro | !google for google |
| 09:01.55 | bob2 | nor here |
| 09:02.02 | streuner | hm |
| 09:02.17 | Jacky | I can't add the DNS server to the debian. |
| 09:02.23 | doleyb | linh: try http://72.14.207.99 |
| 09:02.23 | bob2 | Jacky: yes you can |
| 09:02.25 | dpkg | Google was unable to find any results for google |
| 09:02.29 | bob2 | Jacky: edit /etc/resolv.conf |
| 09:02.30 | karsten | SBC's having major traffic problems: http://scoreboard.keynote.com/scoreboard/Main.aspx?Login=Y&Username=public&Password=public |
| 09:02.35 | streuner | google.de works here... |
| 09:02.39 | Jacky | oh, i see. |
| 09:02.40 | karsten | Couldn't happen to a nicer ISP. |
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| 09:02.43 | Jacky | thank you |
| 09:02.45 | bob2 | from two countries I get stuck at eqixsj-google-gige.google.com |
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| 09:03.12 | linh | google seems to be dead? |
| 09:03.29 | bob2 | 64.233.187.99 works for me |
| 09:03.33 | dondelelcaro | no, it's just the dns servers that are fucked. |
| 09:03.45 | doleyb | linh: it's your ISP's fault |
| 09:03.56 | daft | blame it on the ISP |
| 09:04.14 | linh | relaly? |
| 09:04.18 | linh | i can't connect it at all |
| 09:04.22 | linh | can you? |
| 09:04.23 | some_dude | anyone mess with qemu or vmware ? I need to know which is the fasters, and most realiable |
| 09:04.24 | dondelelcaro | ns1.google.com, ns2.google.com are both unreachable. |
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| 09:04.36 | doleyb | linh: did you try connecting by ipaddr as i said? |
| 09:04.40 | karsten | Google's nameservers are all on the 216.239 subnet. 216.239.32.10 216.239.34.10 216.239.36.10 216.239.38.10 |
| 09:04.54 | nyingen | funky stuff has been going on with the dns servers around here...i wonder if the world is about to end. |
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| 09:05.29 | dondelelcaro | yeah, all traceroutes seem to be failing at 216.239.49.250, whereever that is. |
| 09:05.38 | karsten | SBC's got problems with its Cleveland hub. |
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| 09:05.56 | dondelelcaro | yeay for mountainview... someone probably screwed up the configuration on the load balancer or something |
| 09:06.00 | some_dude | I'm in cleveland with SBC, and I'm doing fine |
| 09:06.10 | karsten | http://scoreboard.keynote.com/scoreboard/Main.aspx?Sort=NumericWTB |
| 09:06.11 | some_dude | but I'm texas |
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| 09:06.19 | bdeck | I have latest relase with i810 sound, which the systems sees, but hear no sound!I have USB speakers (generic). ran alsaconf, everything seems fine. What could be missing? |
| 09:06.20 | linh | yes with ip |
| 09:06.33 | daft | netherlands dns stuff is all fine |
| 09:06.34 | linh | i tried to connected from 4 different works.. |
| 09:06.40 | linh | none of them seem to work |
| 09:06.41 | deadcat_ | did i just get d/c ? |
| 09:06.47 | linh | all 4 are from west coast though |
| 09:07.25 | Jacky | What window manager do you use? |
| 09:07.27 | bucky | California fell into the sea |
| 09:07.33 | daft | linh, want a dns server over sea |
| 09:07.38 | Jacky | Whick WM is better? |
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| 09:07.50 | karsten | bucky: No, everything east of the rockys fell into the Atlantic. |
| 09:07.56 | Jacky | I want to choose a WM to install in the debian |
| 09:08.01 | karsten | Jacky: Then choose one. |
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| 09:08.22 | karsten | !whichwm |
| 09:08.23 | dpkg | If your looking to decide which window manager you would like to use, stop by http://www.plig.org/xwinman/ |
| 09:08.32 | linh | some_dude you can connect to google fine? |
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| 09:08.44 | some_dude | yes |
| 09:08.53 | some_dude | I searched for sex |
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| 09:09.13 | daft | linh, want a dns in europe? |
| 09:09.15 | Cowpat1989 | dude thats wrong |
| 09:09.24 | daft | linh, has dns problems |
| 09:09.25 | linh | yes please |
| 09:09.27 | daft | haha |
| 09:09.32 | daft | 194.134.5.5 |
| 09:09.33 | linh | but what's the different |
| 09:09.36 | linh | if you give me a working ip |
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| 09:10.10 | daft | ip or dns problems |
| 09:10.15 | daft | routing* |
| 09:10.43 | SNow | hello, I have quite a silly question, but I hope that someone had this problem too and knows the solution. The psybnc versions: psyBNC2.3.2-4 ir psyBNC2.3.2-5 the thing is that when i start it as a proccess it works, after sometime the psybnc get's disconnected, then you can't login to psybnc, but the proccess is working fine |
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| 09:11.39 | daft | SNow, there is no spybnc in debian package system |
| 09:11.53 | SNow | i know guys |
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| 09:12.01 | SNow | but I don't know really what to do :L) |
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| 09:12.09 | karsten | bob2: Nothing evidently amis via nanog's recent postings. |
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| 09:12.14 | daft | apt-get install dircproxy |
| 09:12.20 | BriajWrk | hi all |
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| 09:16.38 | Dark_Lord | Hi there again! so neither the latest version of VIM editor does display the encoding set in the LANG variable! |
| 09:16.42 | Dark_Lord | Help, please1 |
| 09:17.37 | Cowpat1989 | can anyone tell me why the realvnc server dosn't work under linux? |
| 09:17.44 | Dark_Lord | it doesnt inherit the locale |
| 09:17.49 | Cowpat1989 | is it a gui program |
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| 09:18.02 | Cowpat1989 | or does it run in a terminal |
| 09:18.22 | dondelelcaro | Dark_Lord: it does, assuming your terminal is sane; what exactly is LANG set to? what are you seeing? what are you expecting to see? |
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| 09:18.47 | Dark_Lord | its set to cs_CZ.iso88592 |
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| 09:19.01 | Dark_Lord | And the bash DOES display it |
| 09:19.21 | Dark_Lord | but none of applications do |
| 09:19.22 | daft | Cowpat1989: check ~./vnc/<dysplayname>.log |
| 09:19.57 | Dark_Lord | Tell me please how should I know where the problem is! |
| 09:20.29 | Dark_Lord | It must be somewhere in the shell, mustnt it? |
| 09:21.22 | dondelelcaro | Dark_Lord: that can't be a valid locale. I'll beleve iso8859-2, but not iso88592. |
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| 09:22.04 | Dark_Lord | dondelelcaro: Well, If I locale -a, there's cs_CZ.iso88592 there |
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| 09:22.49 | dondelelcaro | hrm... well, ok... |
| 09:23.02 | Dark_Lord | :-) |
| 09:23.22 | Dark_Lord | dondelelcaro: Strange, isnt it? |
| 09:23.42 | dondelelcaro | sounds like someone forgot the \Q \E |
| 09:24.03 | Dark_Lord | When compiling? |
| 09:24.28 | jolly- | why cant I use a working xorg configuration file I used on gentoo in debian? |
| 09:24.52 | Dark_Lord | I can re-compile it if you tell me |
| 09:24.58 | Dark_Lord | youd be very kind |
| 09:25.01 | deadcat | jolly-: dont know |
| 09:25.09 | jolly- | :/ |
| 09:25.10 | deadcat | jolly-: should work |
| 09:25.19 | jolly- | yeah i know:/ |
| 09:25.27 | dondelelcaro | Dark_Lord: that was for a different channel |
| 09:25.28 | jolly- | do you got any tips for me? |
| 09:25.32 | deadcat | jolly-: check log file? |
| 09:25.41 | deadcat | jolly-: lets see the config file |
| 09:25.44 | Dark_Lord | dondelelcaro: Aha, sorry:-) |
| 09:25.49 | dondelelcaro | Dark_Lord: what exactly isn't showing up in these files that you're editing? |
| 09:26.13 | jolly- | ok can you take alook if i upload the file to a webserver |
| 09:26.14 | jolly- | ? |
| 09:26.21 | deadcat | k |
| 09:26.23 | jolly- | great |
| 09:26.26 | Dark_Lord | dondelelcaro: Well, the proper characters in my language (czech) do not show up |
| 09:26.36 | Cowpat1989 | does anyone know if there is such thing as konqurer for windows |
| 09:26.38 | dondelelcaro | Dark_Lord: and they show up in your shell? |
| 09:26.56 | Dark_Lord | dondelelcaro: some other ASCII chars show up instead |
| 09:27.30 | Dark_Lord | dondelelcaro: Exactly, they show up in the shell! |
| 09:27.41 | Dark_Lord | but not in the editors |
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| 09:28.36 | georg | Cowpat1989 try OPERA or firefox |
| 09:29.27 | Dark_Lord | dondelelcaro: I remember some note about taking care of trailing spaces in the LANG var |
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| 09:29.41 | Dark_Lord | that I shouldnt include in it |
| 09:29.54 | Dark_Lord | Can it be the reason? |
| 09:29.59 | dondelelcaro | Dark_Lord: yes, if you have them set, that will cause problems too; you may try asking #vim; they may know better. |
| 09:30.25 | wdamn | Hi, is there an IE emulator for debian? I need to test some html pages and I have widozz on the same machine... |
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| 09:30.44 | Dark_Lord | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks |
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| 09:31.10 | Cowpat1989 | thanks georg |
| 09:31.35 | Dark_Lord | dondelelcaro: Oh, I see something - there arent double quoes included in the LANG var |
| 09:31.42 | nkuttler | wdamn: wine may be able to run ie. ask in #winehq |
| 09:31.55 | Dark_Lord | but for example in the LC_TYPE, yes |
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| 09:32.44 | Dark_Lord | But when I type: export LANG="cs_CZ.iso88592", they wont be set |
| 09:33.03 | jm_ | that's pretty much irrelevant |
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| 09:33.36 | Sanya | Hi, everyone. Has anyone had problems with include_path variable in php.ini? I've uncommented it. It points to ".:/usr/share/php" but I get "Failed opening required 'Net/POP3.php' (include_path='.')" though there is POP3.php in Net directory. |
| 09:34.08 | Dark_Lord | dondelelcaro: its ok now, Ive set them via escaping the " character |
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| 09:34.28 | Dark_Lord | but then it doesnt in the shell at all:-) |
| 09:35.01 | Dark_Lord | it doesnt work |
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| 09:35.12 | Dark_Lord | Ill check out the vim channel |
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| 09:37.13 | jolly- | deadcat got my msg? :) |
| 09:37.25 | deadcat | k |
| 09:37.37 | liable | damn, just spent a shitload getting old negatives scanned proffesionally, and they look shit.. :( |
| 09:37.59 | zu22 | Is the canonical way to get unstable (etch?) still edit /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade; apt-get upgrade ? |
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| 09:38.28 | zu22 | liable: did they use a drum scanner and oil mount them? |
| 09:38.39 | dondelelcaro | zu22: that's always the way it is. |
| 09:38.48 | dondelelcaro | zu22: but etch is testing, not unstable. |
| 09:38.49 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: thx :) |
| 09:39.07 | deadcat | jolly-: your mice. did you load mousedev? |
| 09:39.08 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: ah what unstable is still sid? i've been away from debian for some months |
| 09:39.15 | dondelelcaro | zu22: it will always be sid |
| 09:39.23 | jolly- | deadcat ah no i dont think so how do i do that? |
| 09:39.24 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: ah! got it |
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| 09:39.31 | jolly- | im new to debian |
| 09:39.39 | cheal | zu22: the ending upgrade is superfluous. |
| 09:39.43 | liable | zu22: no idea, i am not really sure how they do it, was just hoping they would turn out better than they did. |
| 09:39.46 | deadcat | jolly-: try modprobe mousedev .. i think its called mousedev |
| 09:39.47 | zu22 | cheal: thx |
| 09:39.48 | coollinux | hi i would like to know to enable CJK on console |
| 09:39.50 | coollinux | in linux |
| 09:39.51 | jolly- | ok :-) |
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| 09:40.13 | jolly- | command is done but i didnt get any feedback |
| 09:40.23 | zu22 | liable: find out what their refund policy is |
| 09:40.31 | deadcat | jolly-: lsmod |grep mouse |
| 09:41.12 | jolly- | input 3040 0 (autoclean) [mousedev] |
| 09:41.14 | jolly- | nice loaded |
| 09:41.21 | deadcat | jolly-: restart x |
| 09:41.24 | deadcat | should work |
| 09:41.27 | jolly- | ok :-) |
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| 09:41.50 | liable | zu22: there all grainy, admittedley they are only 35mm colour negs, not slide quality, but i thought they would be pretty good. |
| 09:42.10 | jolly- | deadcat NICE |
| 09:42.13 | jolly- | it works now |
| 09:42.32 | jolly- | but do i need to type that command every restart? |
| 09:42.33 | deadcat | jolly-: cool. now just add mousedev to /etc/modules so the next time it will load on boot |
| 09:42.36 | l3m | since my kernelupgrade to 2.6.14 i always get tons of unknown symbol errors during startup, in the alsa drivers and in my wireless driver (ipw2200 ). any ideas how to fix this? |
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| 09:42.40 | jolly- | ahh nice |
| 09:42.40 | jolly- | :-) |
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| 09:42.50 | deadcat | (= |
| 09:42.52 | beanz | Can I mark an init script belonging to a package as "on hold"? |
| 09:42.53 | jolly- | thanks alot |
| 09:42.53 | jolly- | =) |
| 09:42.56 | dondelelcaro | l3m: recompile those drivers against your currently running package. |
| 09:43.21 | deadcat | jolly-: you have a cannon camera? |
| 09:43.33 | bbrazil | beanz: only the package. but dpkg won't overwrite without asking |
| 09:43.36 | liable | meh, they're fucking horrible. :( |
| 09:43.45 | jm_ | beanz: no you can't do that with files, but you can use dpkg-divert if you don't want it to mess with it |
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| 09:45.09 | jolly- | deadcat no, sorry |
| 09:45.23 | beanz | bbrazil, jm_ thanks |
| 09:45.40 | deadcat | jolly-: oh. because those IMG_ images look familiar |
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| 09:46.21 | jolly- | ah |
| 09:46.26 | jolly- | :) |
| 09:47.07 | jolly- | deadcat hmm xorg starts but the mouse is not moving :/ |
| 09:47.22 | jolly- | i have /dev/input/mice |
| 09:47.25 | jolly- | in xorg.conf |
| 09:47.32 | deadcat | jolly-: you using usb or ps mouse? |
| 09:47.36 | jolly- | ps |
| 09:47.58 | deadcat | i think if you use ps mouse. you have to use ps/2 |
| 09:48.18 | deadcat | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:48.21 | jolly- | ah |
| 09:49.16 | zu22 | karsten: Milk got? (-; |
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| 09:49.43 | jm_ | no, /dev/input/mice is OK for 2.6 kernels |
| 09:49.50 | deadcat | ah |
| 09:50.02 | deadcat | how come it aint working for him? |
| 09:50.16 | deadcat | jm_: and should he use mousedev or psmouse or usbmouse? |
| 09:50.20 | jolly- | hmm weird psaux got the mouse moving but its crazy |
| 09:50.23 | Phated | Might as well try psaux, it can't hurt. :) |
| 09:50.27 | jm_ | !tell jolly- -about psmouse |
| 09:50.43 | karsten | zu22: ya, ya |
| 09:50.50 | karsten | zu22: Sleep got. |
| 09:50.59 | jm_ | !tell jolly- -about 2.6 ps2 |
| 09:51.03 | jm_ | !tell jolly- -about 2.6 mouse |
| 09:51.33 | deadcat | Phated: your g4 ibook keyboard is nicer than my g3's. the color matches the entire machine. my classmate showed me his today.. was gonna rob his ass |
| 09:51.52 | Phated | deadcat: Hahah. What colour is the G3's keyboard?> |
| 09:52.24 | deadcat | Phated: killa clear. its fine if its clear and glows, but the thing dont glow |
| 09:52.39 | coollinux | ANY USER OF JFBTERM HERE |
| 09:52.40 | Phated | deadcat: Heh. |
| 09:52.54 | deadcat | coollinux: NO! |
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| 09:53.11 | coollinux | one thing more |
| 09:53.16 | Phated | deadcat: Mod it! :P |
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| 09:53.27 | deadcat | Phated: hahaha. |
| 09:53.30 | Phated | :) |
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| 09:53.33 | deadcat | add some lights to the bottom |
| 09:53.35 | coollinux | does UKAI, debian developer for japan come here |
| 09:53.41 | Phated | Yeh, LEDs all round! |
| 09:53.47 | coollinux | or somebody know hm |
| 09:53.48 | coollinux | him |
| 09:53.49 | deadcat | coollinux: no |
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| 09:54.57 | deadcat | Phated: good thing about g4 ibook, usb2. more default ram. bad thing the wireless card dont work on linux... there for g4 > g3 hehe |
| 09:55.16 | Phated | deadcat: Heh. |
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| 09:55.24 | Phated | deadcat: Eh well, it's a pretty cool machine. |
| 09:55.30 | deadcat | ya |
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| 09:56.35 | deadcat | fuck the original airport card, over-rated. that thing sells $80-$110 on craigslist.org, bullshit. its a fucking orinoco card. $5.. i am using usb wireless now. fuck airport. |
| 09:56.45 | Phated | Heh. |
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| 09:57.01 | Guerin | s/irport/pple/ |
| 09:57.12 | deadcat | Guerin: hahah |
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| 09:57.32 | Guerin | deadcat: no, no - the joke's on you. |
| 09:57.41 | deadcat | Guerin: i love my machine. |
| 09:57.48 | zu22 | ~apt kill airport card |
| 09:57.50 | apt | ACTION shoots a magneto-ionized anti-neutron gun at airport card |
| 09:58.00 | deadcat | Guerin: especially with the tux logo on the front cover |
| 09:58.07 | Phated | deadcat: Glowing tux? :) |
| 09:58.13 | Guerin | deadcat: tape a fin on it |
| 09:58.19 | Guerin | deadcat: oh wait, it's a mac |
| 09:58.22 | zu22 | what's the status on the SCO suit against Linux? |
| 09:58.26 | Guerin | you can probably BUY a fin for $100 |
| 09:58.37 | Guerin | zu22: null |
| 09:58.57 | deadcat | Phated: nah (=. the apple logo is in tux's belly |
| 09:59.02 | l3m | dondelelcaro: well the alsa drivers are part of the linux kernel, no? so they should be included in the linux-image package? ... and recompiling ipw2200 + ieee80211 didn't help, same errors |
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| 09:59.11 | Phated | deadcat: Hahah. |
| 09:59.19 | deadcat | Phated: you've never seen it? |
| 09:59.24 | Phated | deadcat: PIXPIXPIX |
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| 09:59.28 | deadcat | k |
| 09:59.29 | jolly- | heh everything got stuck |
| 09:59.40 | zu22 | guerin: heh |
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| 09:59.48 | Guerin | oh god, now it's macpron time |
| 09:59.57 | Guerin | get an iRoom |
| 09:59.58 | deadcat | Phated: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/ibook.800/ take it easy. i am downloading (= |
| 10:00.03 | jolly- | Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" |
| 10:00.03 | jolly- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:00.09 | Phated | deadcat: Hahah. :) LEECH |
| 10:00.15 | jolly- | this is wrong right? what protocol should i use? |
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| 10:00.29 | dondelelcaro | l3m: have you run depmod? |
| 10:00.33 | Guerin | jolly-: why are you guessing devices? |
| 10:00.34 | liable | /dev/input/mice.. |
| 10:00.35 | jm_ | yes it's wrong - it's not what dpkg told you |
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| 10:00.41 | deadcat | jolly-: imps/2 works fine for me here |
| 10:00.49 | Guerin | jolly-: and why are you editing that file manually? |
| 10:00.57 | jolly- | deadcat hmm ok :) |
| 10:01.02 | Guerin | deadcat: missing the point ... |
| 10:01.06 | jolly- | Guerin because i have no clue:P |
| 10:01.07 | l3m | dondelelcaro: err no. doing it now ;) |
| 10:01.12 | Phated | deadcat: Hahah, kickass, what's it? Stick-on? |
| 10:01.20 | Guerin | !tell jolly- about x md5 |
| 10:01.24 | deadcat | Phated: ya. decal |
| 10:01.25 | Guerin | !tell jolly- about drxx |
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| 10:01.34 | Phated | deadcat: Where from? Custom print? |
| 10:01.35 | l3m | dondelelcaro: i thought m-a would do this automatically... |
| 10:01.42 | deadcat | Phated: the site dont sell it no more. let me link you |
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| 10:01.54 | l3m | dondelelcaro: yeah, error persists |
| 10:02.04 | Phated | deadcat: Ah. Link me anyway, I love browser-window-shopping. :) |
| 10:02.09 | deadcat | Phated: http://shop.store.yahoo.com/directron/appliques.html |
| 10:02.11 | deadcat | HAHAH |
| 10:02.32 | jannic | debmirror is complaining that pool/main/l/lucene/lucene_1.4.3.orig.tar.gz is missing - any idea where that source file got lost? |
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| 10:02.49 | dondelelcaro | l3m: give me the precise error that you're getting; use the paster bot to do so. |
| 10:02.52 | jannic | I checked several mirrors and didn't find it anywhere |
| 10:02.55 | bibe | l3m : what error, exactly? |
| 10:03.09 | deadcat | Phated: they have few radiation, radioactive ones, those might look good around the apple logo (= |
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| 10:03.26 | Phated | deadcat: Heh, kickass. :) |
| 10:03.30 | troffasky | is there a systemwide location to set the first day of the week? |
| 10:03.33 | Phated | deadcat: Any of the etched ones, yeah? |
| 10:03.49 | deadcat | ya |
| 10:04.14 | deadcat | Phated: http://us.st7.yimg.com/store1.yimg.com/I/directron_1868_271672557 |
| 10:04.33 | dan2005 | I change my network card to diff card, how do I setup/detect my new card and also its ip address |
| 10:04.48 | timgoh0 | deadcat: Not using an internal airport card? I think you can mod the orinnoco gold to fit internally. |
| 10:04.57 | deadcat | dan2005: just load the right module |
| 10:04.58 | Phated | deadcat: Haha, excellent! |
| 10:05.08 | deadcat | timgoh0: i tried. wont fit. |
| 10:05.15 | Cowpat1989 | while we are on that netcard subject |
| 10:05.17 | timgoh0 | deadcat: You have to remove the antenna. |
| 10:05.24 | dan2005 | is there an auto configuration tool to do this? |
| 10:05.30 | deadcat | Phated: actually this look more hardcore http://us.st7.yimg.com/store1.yimg.com/I/directron_1868_244140071 |
| 10:05.44 | Phated | Heh, the Imp one is cool. |
| 10:05.46 | deadcat | timgoh0: i did. i cut out all the useless parts. still way too long. |
| 10:05.55 | Cowpat1989 | anyone know how to config a wireless one for knoppix 3.9 |
| 10:05.58 | timgoh0 | deadcat: Or try the sony PCWA-C130S |
| 10:06.10 | Cowpat1989 | its a pcmcia one |
| 10:06.13 | timgoh0 | deadcat: http://homepage.mac.com/macinside/PhotoAlbum36.html # this guy got it working. |
| 10:06.39 | bibe | Cowpat1989 : man iwconfig, man ifconfig should help on all linux distros and unix flavours |
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| 10:06.59 | Cowpat1989 | i hope so thanks bibe |
| 10:07.03 | dan2005 | deadcat: how do I configure lan again? |
| 10:07.08 | bibe | Cowpat1989 : no problem |
| 10:07.19 | jolly- | !tell jolly- psmouse |
| 10:07.33 | deadcat | Phated: just remember. these decal are designed for the INSIDE, so you have to make sure you dont buy a decal with letters. notice my penguin is actually opposite |
| 10:07.41 | deadcat | timgoh0: cant find that card either (= |
| 10:08.16 | Phated | deadcat: Yeh, I can tell. :) |
| 10:08.17 | timgoh0 | deadcat: :( Or you can go bug your local school for the apple card. They should be able to get it at a decent rate. |
| 10:08.21 | deadcat | dan2005: you dont have to. just load the right module for the card. and /etc/network/interfaces will handle it. |
| 10:08.24 | deadcat | Phated: haha true. |
| 10:08.31 | Phated | deadcat: The Imp one is symmetrical, tho. :) Kickass. |
| 10:08.33 | dan2005 | I see thanks |
| 10:09.17 | deadcat | timgoh0: i have given up on this card. school dont have it. and locals sell for $80-$110.. |
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| 10:09.30 | timgoh0 | deadcat: Ow. |
| 10:09.44 | dan2005 | another Q: how do I know the right module for my new lan card? |
| 10:10.05 | deadcat | Phated: Imp? which one? |
| 10:10.14 | Phated | deadcat: Hang on. |
| 10:10.58 | deadcat | timgoh0: that guy has a sony card. not the orinoco card that i used. (=. seen mine? LONG. his is the same size as the airport. if he cant get that to work. hes a dumbfuck hhehe |
| 10:11.00 | Phated | deadcat: http://shop.store.yahoo.com/directron/klingon.html |
| 10:11.07 | Phated | ... man, it is SO not klingon. |
| 10:11.27 | deadcat | Phated: ah. i dont konw what that is (=. |
| 10:11.32 | timgoh0 | deadcat: I know. That card is readily available here though. |
| 10:11.40 | deadcat | but that will fit though. just enough space in the middle |
| 10:11.46 | Phated | deadcat: It looks cool tho. :) Or any of the blowhole decors. :) |
| 10:11.48 | deadcat | timgoh0: damn. nice |
| 10:11.55 | deadcat | Phated: hahha |
| 10:11.55 | l3m | dondelcaro, bibe : http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/rsOX7W79.html |
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| 10:13.28 | bibe | l3m : it seems you used the wrong kernel sources or kernel configuration to build sound and wireless modules |
| 10:13.34 | deadcat | Phated: the reason i didnt get any of those biohazard or radioactive ones because they are $5/each, the tux were like $2/each so i got like 5. hahah. 1 on my car right now, 1 on the ibook, gave one to a friend, and have 2 more for backup. |
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| 10:13.46 | Phated | deadcat: Hahah. |
| 10:14.33 | bibe | l3m : and probably you didn't compile ieee80211 sources |
| 10:14.34 | l3m | bibe: but i use linux-kernel-2.6.14-1-686 and linux-headers-2.6.14-1-686 ? |
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| 10:14.43 | l3m | and i did compile ieee80211 |
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| 10:15.00 | bibe | l3m : but did you configure your kernel source tree? |
| 10:15.08 | ircdevil | tatjiiing |
| 10:15.15 | deadcat | oh i am having problem with 2.6.14 during boot. something like "freeing memory for kernel" and just waits all day. |
| 10:15.30 | amphi | deadcat: great ;( |
| 10:15.32 | l3m | bibe: i use stock debian kernel |
| 10:15.34 | cahoot | l3m: different compilers for kernel and modules? |
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| 10:15.42 | yumeng | help msg |
| 10:15.51 | scanwinder | where are all the X config files? and what are they called? - because im having trouble getting X to work at the right resolution in debian but its working with damn small linux so i want to copy all the config files from that |
| 10:15.55 | l3m | cahoot: hmm don't think so, just the system default ? ( i use a stock debian kernel ) |
| 10:16.01 | l3m | and m-a |
| 10:16.11 | resiak | !drxx scanwinder |
| 10:16.13 | deadcat | Phated: you know the good and bad about my tux on the laptop? (= |
| 10:16.14 | dpkg | scanwinder: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 10:16.24 | Phated | deadcat: Yeh? Bad: It's reversed? :0 |
| 10:16.26 | Phated | :) |
| 10:16.47 | scanwinder | resiak: ive done all that - i cant seem to get it working |
| 10:17.05 | deadcat | Phated: good: girls come up and say "thats so cute!", bad: guys look at me and think "fucking pussy!" |
| 10:17.08 | deadcat | hahaah |
| 10:17.09 | scanwinder | resiak: i just want 2 know where the config files are so i can work out whats set differently |
| 10:17.21 | bibe | l3m : cd /usr/src; tar jxf linux-2.6.14-source.tar.bz2; tar zxf ieee80211-source.tar.gz; tar zxf ipw2200-source.tar.gz; cd linux-2.6.14; cp /boot/config-2.6.14-1-686 .config; make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg --append-to-version "-1-686" --revision "2.6.14-2" --config old configure; fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version "-1-686" --revision "2.6.14-2" modules_image; |
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| 10:17.31 | Phated | deadcat: Yeah, but you're not trying to attracts guys, right? Nothing wrong if you are, but you're not. :) |
| 10:17.33 | resiak | scanwinder: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 10:17.42 | liable | hahaha |
| 10:17.42 | deadcat | Phated: true. hehe |
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| 10:18.04 | yumeng | hi, all. i am using debian sarge, using stable apt source, but i want to get a little unstable package, how do? |
| 10:18.18 | bibe | yumeng : google for apt-pinning |
| 10:18.24 | Mage\work | apt-get -t unstable install blah |
| 10:18.34 | liable | yumeng: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 10:18.48 | yumeng | thanks! |
| 10:19.50 | bibe | or use http://www.atworkonline.it/~bibe/debian/sources.list _AND_ http://www.atworkonline.it/~bibe/debian/preferences (_DON'T_GO_WITHOUT preferences file) |
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| 10:20.20 | l3m | bibe: hmm without patching the kernel with linux-patch-debian-2.6.14? |
| 10:20.58 | bibe | l3m: I always thought that linux-source-2.6.14 already includes debian patches |
| 10:21.31 | l3m | bibe: dunno i haven't compiled a kernel myself for more than a year - debian stock kernels worked fine up to now... |
| 10:21.33 | l3m | ;/ |
| 10:21.46 | liable | hrm, i am behind the times.. didnt reliase 2.6.14 was even in sid yet. |
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| 10:22.36 | bibe | liable : I think sid already ships revision 2 of linux-2.6.14 |
| 10:22.52 | bibe | I mean, revision 2 of the debian package |
| 10:23.01 | liable | still says -1 for me.. |
| 10:23.31 | liable | anyway, me tries it.. :) |
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| 10:24.07 | phiPPs | I compiled it yesterday: 2.6.14-2 |
| 10:24.11 | bibe | liable : I use an Italian mirror and it reached that mirror last sunday, I think |
| 10:25.03 | liable | hrm |
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| 10:25.52 | bibe | -2 closes a security bug , disables AUDIT_SYS_CALLS globally and patches amd64 code, mostly |
| 10:26.15 | danzoo | hi, is there any official or unofficial build of de debian installer with a kernel 2.6.14 or 2.6.13? |
| 10:26.31 | liable | is suspend2 in it yet? |
| 10:26.33 | azeem | not official, AFAIK |
| 10:26.52 | azeem | well, hrm |
| 10:26.55 | dondelelcaro | it will be a while before there is one, because devfs has gone away |
| 10:27.12 | danzoo | azeem, afaik? |
| 10:27.17 | bibe | liable : no |
| 10:27.19 | azeem | as far as I know |
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| 10:27.30 | dondelelcaro | (although, the dev. d-i's may have 2.6.13) |
| 10:27.52 | azeem | there will be the first etch d-i beta release in due short. Dunno which kernel it'll have, though |
| 10:28.02 | liable | bibe: bugger.. |
| 10:28.16 | bibe | liable : ? |
| 10:28.29 | liable | suspend2... |
| 10:29.11 | liable | bibe: um, slang for damn, dang, shit, fuck et al.. :) |
| 10:29.19 | Phated | Heh. |
| 10:29.24 | bibe | haha, nice |
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| 10:32.52 | phar0z | I can't go on MSN with my linux box wtf |
| 10:32.59 | phar0z | tryed with amsn, kopete, gaim ... |
| 10:33.15 | Phated | ... ever consider blaming MSN? |
| 10:33.20 | deadcat | phar0z: they know youare not on windows. |
| 10:33.25 | saloxin | gaim does it |
| 10:33.30 | phar0z | but yesterday I could login on amsn with amsn |
| 10:33.38 | petemc | ever considered user error |
| 10:33.39 | deadcat | phar0z: they found out today |
| 10:33.41 | phar0z | and all the days before |
| 10:33.42 | Phated | So MSN is down for a bit. |
| 10:33.43 | phar0z | really? |
| 10:33.46 | phar0z | shit |
| 10:33.47 | Phated | Prolly. |
| 10:33.50 | liable | hahaha |
| 10:33.51 | bibe | by the way, I have been reading of a kernel-patch-suspend2 package, but I can't find it... |
| 10:34.01 | laurens_ | Does the Debian project sell swag such as tshirts, stickers etc? |
| 10:34.11 | azeem | laurens_: sometimes, at expos |
| 10:34.21 | phar0z | shit damn microsoft |
| 10:34.30 | bibe | laurens_ : try cafepress.com |
| 10:34.32 | deadcat | laurens_: no. but they did sell tshirt at the linux world expo conf. |
| 10:35.00 | liable | you can get em on the web somewhere, dont ask me for a url though.. |
| 10:35.01 | deadcat | laurens_: pretty nice too. but i didnt have the money for all 3. )= and they DIDNT want to give me one. they were like "fuck off you bum" |
| 10:35.16 | liable | hah |
| 10:35.39 | bibe | laurens_ : I think the best is the apt-reference debian mug |
| 10:35.48 | phar0z | hmm |
| 10:35.54 | phar0z | so there isn't a way anymore to get on MSN on a linux box? |
| 10:36.06 | liable | bitlbee? |
| 10:36.11 | deadcat | phar0z: apt-cache search |
| 10:36.12 | Phated | Man, I want the vim reference mug. :) |
| 10:36.20 | deadcat | hahah |
| 10:36.22 | phar0z | apt-cache search what? :s |
| 10:36.25 | liable | hrm actually i am logged in know.. |
| 10:36.29 | bibe | phar0z : I am using msn at this very moment from my linux box |
| 10:36.30 | liable | now. |
| 10:36.30 | deadcat | phar0z: msn |
| 10:36.35 | phar0z | ah yes lol |
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| 10:37.04 | phar0z | you use jabber? |
| 10:37.08 | laurens_ | hm |
| 10:37.09 | bibe | phar0z : sure |
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| 10:37.14 | laurens_ | http://www.cafepress.com/cp/browse/v0.1/design_prod.aspx?pageNo=1&q=debian&p=storeid.3374516&id=1412647&pNo=3374516&opt=&fpt=&c= |
| 10:37.15 | danzoo | hi, is there any official or unofficial build of de debian installer with a kernel 2.6.14 or 2.6.13? |
| 10:37.15 | phar0z | ah |
| 10:37.17 | laurens_ | http://www.cafepress.com/cp/browse/v0.1/design_prod.aspx?pageNo=1&q=debian&p=storeid.3716297&id=1549375&pNo=3716297&opt=&fpt=&c= |
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| 10:37.18 | phar0z | thx |
| 10:37.20 | laurens_ | looks cool enough |
| 10:37.52 | deadcat | laurens_: not bad. let me show you the tshirts i have. |
| 10:37.54 | phar0z | download jabber |
| 10:37.55 | phar0z | mighy apt-get |
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| 10:38.33 | bibe | phar0z : did you consider that your jabber server can be updating its msn transporter? |
| 10:38.40 | phar0z | no |
| 10:39.32 | deadcat | laurens_: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/2005/20050809.linux.world.expo/20050811/20050811_canonS230_2066.jpg i have the black one, my helped my friend get the green and black. |
| 10:40.05 | liable | the debian\rules one is nice. |
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| 10:40.08 | laurens_ | hehe :-) |
| 10:40.15 | deadcat | laurens_: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/2004/20040803.linux.world.expo/img_0045.jpg <-- debian/rules on the back |
| 10:40.36 | laurens_ | deadcat: too bad heineken is piss poor beer :P |
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| 10:40.50 | jeanjacques | hello |
| 10:40.58 | laurens_ | there's a good reason why my router's hostname is moortgat :> |
| 10:41.28 | jeanjacques | i'd like to know it'f possible to re-generate the file /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 10:41.40 | deadcat | laurens_: thats a debian tshirt (= |
| 10:41.49 | phar0z | nice t-shirt |
| 10:42.03 | deadcat | thanks. |
| 10:42.06 | liable | jeanjacques: sure just make it with vim |
| 10:42.21 | liable | jeanjacques: or your editor of choice.. |
| 10:42.32 | laurens_ | deadcat: I know, but a duvel parody instead of a heineken parody is better |
| 10:42.35 | saloxin | jeanjacques: man interfaces |
| 10:42.43 | jeanjacques | liable: thnak you |
| 10:42.52 | jeanjacques | saloxin: thanks |
| 10:42.57 | laurens_ | deadcat: americans ask me why they dont get duvel... the answer is simple... we drink all of it ourselves :P |
| 10:42.58 | js_ | jeanjacques: /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/generate-interfaces.pl.gz |
| 10:43.00 | deadcat | laurens_: ah. not a beer man. so i dont know (= |
| 10:43.09 | deadcat | laurens_: hahaha |
| 10:43.56 | phar0z | ey landgenoot :) |
| 10:44.10 | jolly- | damn i have tried psaux and /dev/input/mice :/ |
| 10:44.23 | jolly- | when i choose psaux the mouse is moving but acting crazy |
| 10:44.32 | jolly- | input/mice the mouse is freezing:/ |
| 10:44.38 | laurens_ | phar0z: pff scarlet slachtoffer :P |
| 10:44.42 | deadcat | jolly-: you running gpm as well? |
| 10:44.49 | jolly- | deadcat no :o) |
| 10:44.52 | phar0z | bedankt haha :P |
| 10:45.11 | jolly- | should i? |
| 10:45.19 | GloX | laurens_, do I know you :o |
| 10:45.22 | GloX | where are you from ? |
| 10:45.25 | deadcat | jolly-: no |
| 10:45.31 | jolly- | ok:) |
| 10:45.34 | jolly- | well i dont :) |
| 10:45.44 | laurens_ | GloX: antwerp |
| 10:46.07 | jolly- | got any ideas what else i could test to get it work?:/ |
| 10:46.08 | GloX | Antwerp city ? |
| 10:46.08 | laurens_ | GloX: I did gentoo support once |
| 10:46.15 | laurens_ | GloX: wilrijk |
| 10:46.20 | GloX | I'm from Vorselaar .. |
| 10:46.39 | phar0z | i'm from gent (: |
| 10:46.41 | GloX | then I probably don't know you :) |
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| 10:46.50 | deadcat | jolly-: you can put the orig xorg.conf back and use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to see if that will make it work or not |
| 10:47.06 | jolly- | ok :) |
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| 10:47.56 | laurens_ | phar0z: going there next week |
| 10:48.08 | laurens_ | phar0z: student? |
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| 10:48.45 | phar0z | yes |
| 10:48.54 | phar0z | can we talk in linux.be ? |
| 10:48.56 | phar0z | or private? |
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| 10:51.15 | ojetlund | hello - anybody here? |
| 10:51.34 | liable | shhh, we're sleeping.. |
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| 10:58.44 | Bolding | quiet in here |
| 10:59.24 | Bolding | 11:53 ¤ [ forcemstr ] [ pacman ] [ Zugschlus ] |
| 10:59.37 | Bolding | doh |
| 11:00.25 | Zugschlus | Bolding: you rang? |
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| 11:04.13 | Bolding | Zugschlus: Nah sorry - just accidently pasted the who-list |
| 11:04.25 | Bolding | My mouse went beserk |
| 11:06.12 | sep | we have a company with a broken mailserver sending us emails with rfc2822 illegal chars in them. is it somehow possible to make a whitelist of domains in amavis-new on debian sarge for domains where you ignore the rfc2822 header checks ? (yes i know the correct solution is to fix the sending email server but i have no control over thatone) perhaps both allowing but also bounce a message with the RFC2822 error would be the very best. |
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| 11:08.51 | Guerin | sep: if you allow, you can't bounce |
| 11:08.56 | saloxin | sep: can't you just reject mail from this company's mailserver? |
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| 11:08.56 | Guerin | sep: it's the rules |
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| 11:09.19 | Guerin | sep: i'd reject it at smtp level, and contact their admin directly about it |
| 11:09.31 | Guerin | sep: then again, these people aren't potentially giving me money |
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| 11:12.06 | lunitik | For 722 nicks... it sure is dead in here |
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| 11:12.48 | fireba11_grr | if you say so |
| 11:12.57 | MacNorth | i've got a question, then: where is kde installed in debian? it seems to be spread all over /usr (but no single place like SUSE's /opt/kde3) |
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| 11:13.42 | bibe | MacNorth : dpkg -l kde\*, then for each package dpkg -L kde... |
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| 11:14.00 | Guerin | MacNorth: no single place, you're right. |
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| 11:14.27 | Guerin | MacNorth: debian is FHS and LSB compliant, so binaries go in */bin; libraries go in */lib, etc. |
| 11:14.37 | lunitik | Guerin: is anything on a unix system installed to a single place? |
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| 11:15.16 | Guerin | lunitik: it can be, but only if there's a special reason to do so, like if you want to be able to easily isolate all files of a civen program |
| 11:15.23 | Guerin | s/civen/given/ |
| 11:15.34 | MacNorth | i'm trying to compile skim (an IME) and unless I set an environment variable (KDEDIR - where kde is installed), the install leaves some files in /NONE/skim/utils |
| 11:15.36 | Guerin | lunitik: effectively, this is what package management is for |
| 11:15.58 | lunitik | Guerin: only time I've seen it is compiled from source... where root is defined as /usr/local etc |
| 11:16.03 | sep | Guerin, that's what i do today. bouncing it. |
| 11:16.06 | Guerin | MacNorth: wth is an IME, and what files is it looking for in $KDEDIR? |
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| 11:16.21 | Guerin | sep: yeah. Have you contacted them about it? |
| 11:16.26 | sep | Guerin, i guess ill forward one of the bounces to the postmaster at the server since the users there dont seams to want to |
| 11:16.34 | bibe | lunitik : yes, according to FHS you install "optional" packages in /opt, like 3rd party applications |
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| 11:16.45 | MacNorth | input method engine. let's me type Japanese, Chinese, Thai, Arabic, any non-alphabet language |
| 11:16.46 | sep | Guerin, yes the users claim ' we send email all over the world only you complain' |
| 11:16.47 | lunitik | bibe: /opt was a stupid idea |
| 11:17.00 | lunitik | bibe: everything is optional :/ |
| 11:17.00 | Guerin | lunitik: right. /usr/local is for stuff which applies to the local site; /opt is for options - traditionally stuff not provided by your distro or OS |
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| 11:17.13 | MacNorth | skim's installer uses scons (not autotools) |
| 11:17.15 | Guerin | sep: don't talk to the users, talk to the admin |
| 11:17.15 | bumpsh3r | can anyone help me with a growisofs problem? |
| 11:17.24 | sep | Guerin, ill try |
| 11:17.28 | azeem | MacNorth: ugh |
| 11:17.47 | MacNorth | yeah a strange animal |
| 11:17.52 | bumpsh3r | i'm trying to burn a debian dvd image with growisfs and at 8% it stops every time |
| 11:18.04 | Guerin | lunitik: /opt is useful |
| 11:18.11 | bumpsh3r | it closes the track and session |
| 11:18.20 | bibe | lunitik : why? think of a 3rd party application, such as sun's java sdk which doesn't compile from (unavailable) source, but installs into a single dir. It's useful to have it on a different /<dir_name_here>, such as /opt |
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| 11:18.53 | Guerin | lunitik: for instance, installing the almost-certain-to-be-horribly-broken oo.o packages to /opt is great, because if they're fucked, you can just rm -rf /opt/openoffice* |
| 11:19.00 | lunitik | bibe: here... suns java is installed like any other app... the joys of java-source :/ |
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| 11:19.05 | lunitik | java-package* |
| 11:19.21 | Guerin | lunitik: the oo.o2 beta packages, I mean, from upstream |
| 11:19.38 | bumpsh3r | anyone have any idea what my problem is? |
| 11:19.41 | lunitik | Guerin: I have oo.o2 installed here... pretty stable :/ |
| 11:19.52 | lunitik | bumpsh3r: other than insomnia? |
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| 11:20.05 | bumpsh3r | lol |
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| 11:20.15 | bibe | lunitik : you mean java-package? |
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| 11:20.21 | bumpsh3r | can you help me lunitik? |
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| 11:20.54 | bibe | lunitik : java-package doesn't compile anything from source |
| 11:20.57 | lunitik | bibe: umm... I already corrected myself :/ |
| 11:21.19 | lunitik | bibe: no shit... it creates a package that installs things to there correct homes though.... |
| 11:21.21 | Guerin | lunitik: you didn't try it 6 months ago |
| 11:21.40 | lunitik | Guerin: sure I did... for about an hour |
| 11:21.52 | bumpsh3r | helloooooooooooooooooooooooo anybody out there in debian land? |
| 11:22.06 | Guerin | lunitik: oh, it actually worked? Mine didn't even run, just ate 100% cpu and sat there |
| 11:22.07 | Guerin | bumpsh3r: no |
| 11:22.18 | lunitik | bumpsh3r: you're talking to geeks with better things to do... make us want to help you... you're not doing this atm |
| 11:22.34 | Lilldude10 | liable |
| 11:22.41 | lunitik | Guerin: haha... I have 640mb RAM... it ran... just wasn't exactly productive |
| 11:22.46 | bumpsh3r | gee such a lovely linux community here |
| 11:23.02 | bumpsh3r | I have to make you want to help me? |
| 11:23.06 | Guerin | bumpsh3r: your question is worthless |
| 11:23.18 | lunitik | bumpsh3r: yup... or you can pay me? |
| 11:23.20 | bumpsh3r | what is worthless about it? |
| 11:23.26 | Guerin | bumpsh3r: it tells us NOTHING |
| 11:23.31 | Guerin | !tell bumpsh3r about ask |
| 11:24.36 | jm_ | !tell bumpsh3r -about sicco |
| 11:24.52 | lunitik | !tell me about sicco |
| 11:24.56 | bumpsh3r | ok, I am trying to create a debian dvd with an image I downloaded using jigdo |
| 11:25.32 | lunitik | bumpsh3r: you have broadband internet? |
| 11:25.41 | bumpsh3r | I am trying to create the dvd with growisofs using the command growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/cd0=debianblahblah.iso |
| 11:25.47 | bumpsh3r | it begins to burn the dvd |
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| 11:26.10 | bumpsh3r | and when it gets to 8% it says closing track, closing session finished |
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| 11:27.37 | jm_ | what's /dev/cd0? |
| 11:27.47 | bumpsh3r | my cd burner drive |
| 11:27.52 | jm_ | more details |
| 11:28.42 | lunitik | bumpsh3r: hal drive definition? |
| 11:28.52 | bumpsh3r | scsi subsystem |
| 11:28.59 | jm_ | is it a SCSI burner? |
| 11:29.06 | bumpsh3r | atapi drive but scsi subsystem |
| 11:29.17 | lunitik | wouldn't scsi be /dev/sd# or whatever? |
| 11:29.22 | jm_ | use its IDE device with recent kernels, especially 2.6 |
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| 11:29.43 | jm_ | maybe he meant scd0 |
| 11:29.45 | sep | !tell bumpsh3r abotu enter |
| 11:29.57 | sep | !tell bumpsh3r about enter |
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| 11:30.13 | bumpsh3r | sorry yes, scd0 |
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| 11:30.29 | lunitik | bumpsh3r: kernel version? |
| 11:30.31 | jm_ | don't use that, try using IDE device and I hope you're testing with RW discs |
| 11:31.03 | bumpsh3r | that's the hard part, don't have any rw disks :( |
| 11:31.11 | lunitik | n00bs are qt |
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| 11:31.17 | Tortel | Is there a site that shows all packages installed on knoppix? |
| 11:31.18 | jm_ | go and buy them they're not that expensive |
| 11:31.28 | jm_ | Tortel: try #knoppix |
| 11:31.36 | Tortel | kk |
| 11:32.04 | lunitik | haha... people STILL come here asking about knoppix... depressing |
| 11:32.30 | Dewi | does anyone know of some software that will ping a host regularly and email me or otherwise respond if the site goes down? |
| 11:32.43 | jm_ | yes, lots of people know |
| 11:32.52 | sep | Dewi, many do that. soe advances some simplistic. |
| 11:32.53 | amphi | Dewi: it would be a trivial shellscript |
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| 11:32.59 | bumpsh3r | nagios dewi |
| 11:33.06 | Dewi | jm_: okay, I'll ask like this: you motherfuckers tell me about ______ |
| 11:33.13 | sep | Dewi, i like smokeping. easy to configure, and also measure pingtimes |
| 11:33.17 | jm_ | Dewi: good |
| 11:33.21 | justStormY | i can anybody do me a favour - i've got debain netinst - and now i had installed xfce and the 4 pakets pkgconfig,gtk+,libdbh,libxml2 - but when i start xfce an error comes (Fatal server error: no screen found - Can Anybody help me plz |
| 11:33.23 | Dewi | jm_: :P |
| 11:33.48 | bibe | justStormY : take a look at /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 11:33.57 | sep | Dewi, if all you want is a pingtest. then nagios would be the battlecruiser hunting the rabbit... ie way overkill |
| 11:34.16 | bumpsh3r | true |
| 11:34.17 | Dewi | yeah basically I just want to ping a host for a few hours and see if this flaky wireless access point is still flaky |
| 11:34.20 | sep | Dewi, actualy smokeping would be overkill also but :) |
| 11:34.42 | sep | Dewi, i use smokeping for just that. testing flaky shit. |
| 11:34.52 | Phated | Dewi: Shellscript. |
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| 11:35.10 | justStormY | bibe: what is there interesting for me |
| 11:35.22 | Dewi | Phated: how can my shell script detect ping not returning? |
| 11:35.33 | Dewi | Phated: does it return an error status or something? |
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| 11:35.40 | pureone | echo $? |
| 11:35.42 | bibe | justStormY : it explains why your XFree server doesn't find any screen |
| 11:35.51 | jm_ | Dewi: use -c switch |
| 11:35.56 | Phated | Dewi: If you don't get a time in response, I guess. Generally, 'Request Timed Out', Host Unreachable, etc? :) |
| 11:36.21 | Dewi | so... backquote a call to ping or something? |
| 11:36.27 | bibe | go towards the end of the log file, it should contain one or more lines with (EE) |
| 11:36.30 | Dewi | so I can check its output? |
| 11:36.32 | Phated | Yeh, why not? :) |
| 11:36.48 | Phated | Sorry, busy atm, I'd help more if I could. |
| 11:36.50 | jm_ | no, its return status is enough |
| 11:36.56 | Phated | Dewi: jm_'s advice may be more useful, tho. |
| 11:36.58 | justStormY | how can i reconfigure xserver? |
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| 11:37.05 | Dewi | Phated: I dunno; I've written about 1000 times more NT script than shellscript. So something like this would normally be impossible unless I got an error code |
| 11:37.06 | Phated | !drxx justStormY |
| 11:37.08 | dpkg | justStormY: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 11:37.14 | lunitik | !be bob2 |
| 11:37.15 | dpkg | lunitik: I'm going to bed, RIGHT NOW |
| 11:37.16 | Guerin | woo, beercicles |
| 11:37.17 | Phated | Dewi: Again, see jm's advice. :) |
| 11:37.17 | justStormY | thx |
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| 11:37.24 | lunitik | stupid bot |
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| 11:38.05 | IO80 | hi all!!! |
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| 11:38.29 | bibe | hi IO80 |
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| 11:38.36 | justStormY | mh i had an notebook and don''t know what graphiccard there is iniside - but no nvidia or ati - what can i do? |
| 11:38.47 | Phated | justStormY: lspci. |
| 11:38.48 | saloxin | justStormY: lspci |
| 11:38.49 | amphi | justStormY: lspci |
| 11:38.52 | saloxin | heh |
| 11:38.54 | justStormY | that means? |
| 11:38.57 | justStormY | ^^ |
| 11:39.10 | amphi | LiSt PCI bus items |
| 11:39.13 | Dewi | are "return codes" of programs called error levels in *ix? |
| 11:39.18 | lunitik | justStormY: type it in a terminal |
| 11:39.29 | Dewi | bah, man pages are so hard to search |
| 11:39.42 | eXploitr | i've just installed debian3.1, how do i get a gui up? |
| 11:39.43 | lunitik | Dewi: /findthis |
| 11:39.44 | Dewi | speaking of that whole world of pain, there's some package that will index my man pages, isn't there? |
| 11:39.44 | Phated | Dewi: /<search term><enter>? :) |
| 11:39.47 | eXploitr | (new to linux on a hole) |
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| 11:40.09 | theD3viL | eXploitr, install ati or nvidia drivers.. |
| 11:40.25 | theD3viL | eXploitr, or just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 11:40.32 | lunitik | eXploitr: dpkg -l xserver-xfree86 | grep ^ii <--- return anything? |
| 11:40.34 | bibe | eXploitr : apt-get install xserver-xfree86 fluxbox xterm |
| 11:40.36 | Dewi | lunitik / Phated : yeah I know, but I searched 'man ping' for "return" and "errorlevel", neither of which matched the way it talks about that |
| 11:40.43 | Phated | Dewi: Hangon, yeh? |
| 11:40.57 | Dewi | :) |
| 11:41.13 | Dewi | sorry, I do have a tendancy to ask about a million barely related questions at once |
| 11:41.19 | jm_ | Dewi: that would be because its return values are not documented in the man page |
| 11:41.20 | IO80 | How can i make automatic part of debian installer about the HD's partitioning?!? for example with a configuration file that describeb how partition must be done.. |
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| 11:41.40 | Dewi | jm_: how'd you know then? experimentation? |
| 11:41.45 | theD3viL | hm..why i dont have only in xmms iso8895-2 fonts ? Averywhere i have iso8895-2. |
| 11:41.47 | pureone | Dewi;ping google.com -c 1;echo $? |
| 11:41.50 | Phated | jm_: /exit :) |
| 11:41.55 | Phated | jm_: Yes, they are. :) |
| 11:42.12 | Dewi | yeah. they are but I didn't see them the first few searches :) |
| 11:42.15 | jm_ | Dewi: I guess I didn't read it, like you didn't, and Phated did :P |
| 11:42.28 | saloxin | Dewi: ping -c2 -w2 ping.xs4all.nl; echo $?; ping -c2 -w2 somethingnotexsting; echo $? |
| 11:42.32 | Dewi | heh. So what are they called. "exit codes"? |
| 11:42.38 | Phated | Think so, yeah. |
| 11:42.39 | Dewi | "return codes"? "errorlevels"? |
| 11:42.40 | jm_ | I came to the same conclusion by testing it manually |
| 11:42.44 | bibe | !info fai |
| 11:42.45 | jm_ | Dewi: all of the above really |
| 11:42.52 | amphi | Dewi: /deadline and n 4 or 5 times |
| 11:42.53 | justStormY | mh lspci means that it is a via compatibel vga card - i had reconfigured xserver with option Via Card - but also there comes no screen found - XFree.0.log say no device detected - help plz |
| 11:42.53 | dpkg | fai: (Fully Automatic Installation), section admin, is extra. Version: 2.8.4 (sid), Packaged size: 582 kB, Installed size: 1908 kB |
| 11:43.04 | IO80 | can someone help me? |
| 11:43.13 | jm_ | Justin: read the logfile for details |
| 11:43.16 | bibe | IO80 : !info fai was for you |
| 11:43.17 | jm_ | justStormY ^^^^^^ |
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| 11:44.47 | justStormY | jm_: thx for this perfect help ;) |
| 11:45.04 | Dewi | so if I write a shell script to ping every 5 seconds and email me when there's a problem... I'm going to get blacklisted as a spammer if I unplug my net cable, yeah? :P |
| 11:45.07 | jm_ | justStormY: also thanks for your useless questions |
| 11:45.16 | lunitik | bibe: is that the mechanism debian-installer uses? I can't remember what the configuration file was called :( |
| 11:45.21 | Dewi | (or at the very least overrun my mail spool) |
| 11:45.24 | jm_ | Dewi: how will it be able to send mail if cable is unplugged? |
| 11:45.35 | Dewi | jm_: I meant the target machine |
| 11:45.40 | bibe | justStormY : use vesa driver during dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 11:45.53 | justStormY | i will try thx |
| 11:46.00 | lunitik | bah @ xfree86 |
| 11:46.03 | Dewi | bah I'll just log to a file |
| 11:46.04 | Dewi | email is clunky |
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| 11:46.14 | Phated | Dewi: man mail. :) |
| 11:46.17 | bibe | lunitik : I don't know, but it's used to install debian on many identical (or similar) machines |
| 11:46.36 | bibe | like a cluster or a classroom |
| 11:46.52 | Phated | Dewi: mail -s "OMGNOPINGLOL" youremail@yourhost.net :) |
| 11:46.53 | lunitik | bibe: hmm... interesting to know... still frustrated I can't figure out what the configuration for debian-installer was called |
| 11:46.53 | Dewi | Phated: man mail describes anti-flooding controls? |
| 11:47.04 | Phated | Dewi: Oh. |
| 11:47.12 | Dewi | Phated: I'll just log, it's no big deal |
| 11:47.37 | Phated | Dewi: Bah, just space the pings out to once every fifteen minutes or so, it'll work out to the maximum of sixteen emails over four hours. :) |
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| 11:47.46 | bibe | lunitik : I think there should be some info on debian-installer homepage |
| 11:47.52 | justStormY | bibe: now there comes a gui for one short moment - now in log there is the error: "could not open default font 'fixed' |
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| 11:48.05 | Dewi | Phated: actually it's the constant rebooting of my wireless access point that I want to spot, and that takes only about 10 seconds |
| 11:48.09 | IO80 | !info fai |
| 11:48.11 | dpkg | fai: (Fully Automatic Installation), section admin, is extra. Version: 2.8.4 (sid), Packaged size: 582 kB, Installed size: 1908 kB |
| 11:48.12 | Phated | Dewi: Ah. |
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| 11:48.16 | Phated | Dewi: Better log it, then. |
| 11:48.17 | bibe | justStormY : just a moment |
| 11:48.22 | justStormY | bibe: thx |
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| 11:49.03 | lunitik | bibe: I looked... I can't find it :( |
| 11:49.04 | IO80 | ok! tnx |
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| 11:49.42 | bibe | justStormY : do 'dpkg -l xfonts*' return anything installed? |
| 11:50.25 | bibe | justStormY : apt-get install x-window-system should do all the work (and some extra, too, I think) |
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| 11:50.39 | lunitik | bibe: x-window-system-core* |
| 11:50.40 | justStormY | bibe: will try - one mom |
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| 11:50.59 | lunitik | bibe: else you end up with xterm, twm and friends :/ |
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| 11:51.14 | Phated | Nothing wrong with xterm. |
| 11:51.18 | IO80 | bibe i would install the DEbian NETINST (110mb) and I would make the part of partitioning automatic...(with a set up that I decide...)... |
| 11:51.30 | lunitik | Phated: I despize it... konsole :) |
| 11:51.33 | IO80 | is FAI for thi? |
| 11:51.38 | Phated | 'despize?' |
| 11:51.39 | IO80 | is FAI for this? |
| 11:51.54 | lunitik | Phated: dislike greatly |
| 11:52.02 | justStormY | bibe: he is downloading - i tell u what happenende when finished - thx for all till now ;) |
| 11:52.05 | bibe | IO80 : I think it can help, but I don't know it very well |
| 11:52.16 | Phated | Heh. Not a big deal, since it takes up, what, a few hundred K at most. |
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| 11:52.21 | bibe | justStormY : ok! |
| 11:52.27 | IO80 | ok! :) |
| 11:52.44 | amphi | konsole, ugh - rxvt |
| 11:52.49 | lunitik | Phated: I'm probably the worlds most picky person about hardware space... even though I have around 80 gigs available :/ |
| 11:53.03 | Phated | Haha, 80 gigs, sucka. :) |
| 11:53.09 | amphi | lunitik: you run kde? |
| 11:53.12 | lunitik | amphi: anything your terminal emulator can do, mine can do better 8) |
| 11:53.30 | lunitik | Phated: using less than 10... so yanno... works for me |
| 11:53.33 | egas | how do i update the debian? |
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| 11:53.46 | lunitik | amphi: yup... 3.5b2 |
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| 11:54.20 | amphi | lunitik: how does that go with being "probably the worlds most picky person about hardware space"? ;) my wm is 91KB, btw |
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| 11:54.51 | lunitik | amphi: I like functionality also? |
| 11:55.00 | bibe | egas : /msg dpkg apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 11:55.03 | lunitik | amphi: I just dislike things I don't use... |
| 11:55.13 | amphi | wmii has monstrous amounts of functionality ;) |
| 11:55.19 | Phated | What can xterm not do that konsole can and is part of 'functional'? |
| 11:55.54 | lunitik | Phated: I could write an essay on that subject :/ |
| 11:56.02 | Phated | Please do. |
| 11:56.09 | mtnman | 500 words |
| 11:56.13 | bibe | Phated : tabbed terminals? |
| 11:56.20 | amphi | mrxvt |
| 11:56.24 | Phated | bibe: Use xterm in fluxbox. Tabbed terms, done. |
| 11:56.37 | amphi | tabbing is the wm's job anyway |
| 11:56.48 | justStormY | bibe: works - great help |
| 11:56.51 | mtnman | amphi: tell that to the firefox team |
| 11:56.57 | bibe | Phated : great! I didn't know! |
| 11:57.00 | bibe | justStormY : no problem |
| 11:57.32 | Phated | Oh, and? If you don't like fluxbox? screen(1). |
| 11:57.39 | Phated | bibe: Fluxbox does tabbed windows, btw. |
| 11:57.41 | bibe | justStormY : you can even have tabbed terminals with xterm and fluxbox! ;) |
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| 11:57.54 | amphi | mtnman: ;) |
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| 11:58.54 | amphi | bibe: as does wmii |
| 11:59.01 | amphi | bibe: and many others |
| 11:59.13 | lunitik | Phated: amphi: tabbed windows are annoying... maybe its just the way flux does it, but its annoying and not very comfortable to use... |
| 11:59.28 | Beleys | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:59.34 | bibe | amphi : yes, that message was for Phated, who just told me about that :) |
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| 12:00.17 | Phated | lunitik: <shrug> xterm takes less space than konsole. :) screen(1) provides tabs. etc, etc. |
| 12:00.22 | Xer0__ | exit |
| 12:00.30 | amphi | lunitik: flux's tabbing was a bit flakey last time I used it - but wmii's 'just works'(TM) |
| 12:00.40 | lunitik | I can hit ctrl shift up down in any kde application and change tabs... etc... simple and convenient |
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| 12:00.46 | Phated | amphi: Flux's tabbing was fine when I used it. |
| 12:01.20 | amphi | Phated: I forget what caused it, but the tabs would switch positions in the frame sometimes - I forget the version now |
| 12:01.31 | Phated | amphi: Heh, really. I use OB now anyway. :) |
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| 12:01.51 | bibe | lunitik : I use a single big konsole instance with many tabs, each tab's title is the name of the (many) machines I have to monitor @work |
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| 12:02.08 | amphi | Phated: yeah, I was using that, but I'm enjoying with wmii ATM - http://wmii.de/ if you're interested |
| 12:02.25 | lunitik | bibe: assign each a different trigger? |
| 12:02.39 | Phated | amphi: Interesting. Thanks for the link. |
| 12:03.24 | amphi | Phated: wmiii is meant to be out some time this month - worth upgrading to 2.6.14 for IMHO |
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| 12:03.42 | Phated | amphi: Cool, I'll think about upgrading my kernel soon anyway. :) |
| 12:03.50 | Phated | amphi: Why does it need 2.6.14? |
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| 12:05.24 | amphi | Phated: for v9fs - it exports its config and control stuff as a virtual filesystem in a plan9ish way, & needs v9fs support which is in 2.6.14 as experimental |
| 12:05.30 | Phated | Ah. |
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| 12:05.40 | amphi | Phated: at least this is what I understand from the site |
| 12:05.47 | Phated | amphi: I see. Fair enough. |
| 12:06.19 | amphi | Phated: it promises to be a quite unusual wm ;) |
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| 12:06.38 | Phated | amphi: Excellent, I'll have to try it out. |
| 12:06.57 | jlj | is it possible to change the parameters that are passed to a module without modconf? I set one that the driver didn't like and for some reason modconf doesn't allow me to remove it. |
| 12:07.04 | amphi | Phated: there is a channel for it, #wmii on irc.oftc.net |
| 12:07.06 | lunitik | amphi: you helping to develop it or something? |
| 12:07.22 | jm_ | jlj: you can always specify them in config files |
| 12:07.23 | amphi | lunitik: no, I only discovered it quite recently |
| 12:07.50 | amphi | lunitik: haven't even looked at the code yet ;) |
| 12:08.21 | mtnman | jlj: tried editing /etc/modules directly? |
| 12:08.42 | lunitik | amphi: ahh... it looks pretty ugly imo :( |
| 12:09.01 | amphi | lunitik: it's not an eyecandy wm |
| 12:09.18 | jlj | ok, I think I got it right now, I edited the corresponding file in /etc/modprobe. thanks. |
| 12:09.24 | lunitik | amphi: not something I'd use then... |
| 12:09.29 | amphi | lunitik: it has the more modest goal of being usable ;) |
| 12:09.51 | lunitik | amphi: I can't use things that are ugly... I'm shallow like that :( |
| 12:10.05 | lunitik | plus it doesn't appear to do shading... which is a must |
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| 12:10.40 | lunitik | In fact, it appears to have NOTHING to interact with... minimize, close... nothing |
| 12:11.22 | lunitik | Going into a menu to exit an application would get annoying after a while |
| 12:11.29 | amphi | lunitik: this manifesto presents a similar philosophy, although I think wmii is more flexible, and the design is more interesting |
| 12:11.33 | amphi | lunitik: http://modeemi.cs.tut.fi/~tuomov/ion/ |
| 12:11.40 | amphi | lunitik: menu? |
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| 12:12.00 | lunitik | kde's ctrl alt esc is very handy also. |
| 12:12.13 | amphi | lunitik: 'shading'? you mean faux translucency? |
| 12:12.40 | Phated | amphi: yeh, how -do- you close stuffs? All keyboard-controlled? |
| 12:12.42 | lunitik | amphi: no... I mean roll up... maybe you've heard it by that term? |
| 12:13.02 | Phated | Window-shading, you mean? |
| 12:13.17 | lunitik | Phated: thats what I said first... he doesn't know what that is apparently... |
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| 12:13.44 | alumno2 | please help i am trying to learn this stuff |
| 12:13.50 | amphi | lunitik: oh, that shading - no, it's not necessary AFAICS |
| 12:13.54 | [A]Combustion | I'm having trouble getting linux to read an ethernet connection. |
| 12:13.56 | lunitik | !tell alumno2 about ask |
| 12:13.59 | Phated | amphi: You haven't asked a question. |
| 12:14.02 | Phated | Oops. |
| 12:14.04 | Phated | amphi: Sorry. |
| 12:14.05 | jm_ | [A]Combustion: to do what? |
| 12:14.09 | amphi | Phated: heh |
| 12:14.16 | Phated | alumno2: You haven't asked a question. |
| 12:14.23 | amphi | !nickometer [A]Combustion |
| 12:14.24 | dpkg | '[A]Combustion' is 15.000% lame, amphi |
| 12:14.28 | [A]Combustion | I have a cable modem on eth cable, plugged into the only ethernet port on my mobo that windows will read. However, linux will only read the other eth port. |
| 12:14.34 | lunitik | amphi: umm... its always necissary. |
| 12:14.35 | justStormY | how can i get mcedit on my system - apt-cache search mcedit doesnt find something |
| 12:14.46 | jm_ | !tell justStormY -about search |
| 12:14.50 | [A]Combustion | !nickometer amphi |
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| 12:14.52 | lunitik | justStormY: what the heck is mcedit? |
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| 12:15.05 | alumno2 | bye frikiews |
| 12:15.17 | lunitik | justStormY: try nano... its pretty idiot proof |
| 12:15.24 | amphi | lunitik: oh, well - I don't find I miss it in wmii, although I did use it somewhat in openbox |
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| 12:15.37 | mtnman | juststormy: probably part of "mc" package |
| 12:15.45 | amphi | mcedit is a lot better than nano IMHO |
| 12:15.56 | lunitik | amphi: never used it |
| 12:16.05 | amphi | justStormY: mcedit is part of mc, midnight commander |
| 12:16.13 | amphi | ah, vim ;) |
| 12:16.17 | [A]Combustion | I have a cable modem on eth cable, plugged into the only ethernet port on my mobo that windows will read. However, linux will only read the other eth port. Anyone know how I could get around this? I keep having to switch what port the cable is plugged into when booting into a diff OS. |
| 12:16.24 | amphi | lunitik: wmii is the vim of window managers ;) |
| 12:16.42 | jm_ | amphi: are you sure about that? |
| 12:17.05 | [A]Combustion | jm_: read my last statement for what I need help with. |
| 12:17.08 | mtnman | acombustion: if do ifconfig -a, does it show both eth0 and eth1? |
| 12:17.20 | jm_ | [A]Combustion: load the driver for it, configure the interface |
| 12:17.23 | [A]Combustion | No, mtnman. |
| 12:17.32 | Phated | [A]Combustion: Have you loaded the module for the 'Windows only' port? |
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| 12:17.39 | [A]Combustion | What do you mean, Phated? |
| 12:17.55 | [A]Combustion | It's Marvell Yukon giganet |
| 12:17.57 | mtnman | acombustion: what type of ethercards are in the machine? |
| 12:17.59 | [A]Combustion | Installed, yes |
| 12:18.21 | Phated | Eh, prolly got a module for it. modconf, poke around. |
| 12:18.22 | jinch | help |
| 12:18.24 | [A]Combustion | mtnman, onboard. One runs of the nforce4 chipset I believe, and the other has to be installed. |
| 12:18.47 | jm_ | try sk98lin module for Marvell |
| 12:18.48 | mtnman | combustion: how about the card in question? |
| 12:19.23 | [A]Combustion | Thx jm_. mtnman, I have no NIC card. My ethernet ports are onboard. |
| 12:19.35 | jm_ | [A]Combustion: that's the same |
| 12:19.40 | amphi | jm_: I'm not sure what it could mean, actually ;) |
| 12:20.04 | [A]Combustion | NIC (Network Interface Card) has to be in a PCI/PCI-Ex1 slot doesn't it? |
| 12:20.04 | mtnman | combustion: what card is built onboard for the port in question? |
| 12:20.21 | mtnman | combustion: nic can be on-board |
| 12:20.31 | [A]Combustion | On windows, only the Marvell Yukon giganet one is read. On linux, only the nforce4 one is read. |
| 12:20.50 | Phated | Heh, both windows and linux suck equally in this case. :) |
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| 12:20.58 | [A]Combustion | Heh. |
| 12:21.15 | mtnman | acombustion: look at the hardware howto at tldp.org to find out which module you need for each interfaces |
| 12:21.20 | mtnman | *interface |
| 12:21.26 | [A]Combustion | Rgr. |
| 12:22.30 | mtnman | phated: it seems that windows recognizes the faster interface, however... |
| 12:22.32 | [A]Combustion | What would that be under category wise? Modem, or Miscellanious? |
| 12:22.44 | Phated | mtnman: Grrr. |
| 12:23.10 | Phated | [A]Combustion: Look for 'network'? |
| 12:23.12 | mtnman | combustion: search the page |
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| 12:24.52 | Fox_1_ | how can i generate ssl certificate? |
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| 12:25.29 | jm_ | Fox_1_: man certtool for GNU TLS |
| 12:26.25 | justStormY | does anybody know a good cd burning tool for deb? |
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| 12:26.48 | mtnman | juststormy: k3b |
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| 12:27.08 | justdust | hello everyone ! |
| 12:27.10 | Fox_1_ | jm_: with certtool I can generate certificate for ssl? |
| 12:27.52 | jm_ | Fox_1_: yes |
| 12:28.05 | Fox_1_ | ok thanks |
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| 12:28.07 | Fox_1_ | exit |
| 12:28.13 | jm_ | openssl also has similar tools - you can find lots of howtos on the net |
| 12:28.18 | jm_ | well too late I guess |
| 12:28.54 | catalinux | I get this error: SSL_CTX_new(SSLv23_client_method()) failed (returned NULL) SSL ERROR: library has no ciphers. what should I do? |
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| 12:31.33 | amphi | lunitik: you end up with the iso as a file in the cd's file system? |
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| 12:31.57 | Phated | ... you can use cdrecord but not k3b? Heh. |
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| 12:32.27 | jm_ | k3b has something as burn file as image, doesn't it? probably similar as nero |
| 12:32.29 | justStormY | mtnman: u know a other - k3b will need 105 mb |
| 12:32.41 | [A]Combustion | Thx for the help, everyone. I'm going to try and get this to work now. |
| 12:32.42 | Phated | cdrecord, prolly. or xcdroast. |
| 12:32.43 | [A]Combustion | See ya. |
| 12:32.51 | justdust | I have a quest, but don't know how to start, can I ask a few questions ? |
| 12:32.55 | justStormY | Phated: which of theese can burn isos? |
| 12:33.02 | jm_ | Justin: no one has killed you so far, I guess you can |
| 12:33.03 | Phated | justStormY: All of them, AFAIK. |
| 12:33.06 | justStormY | kk |
| 12:33.08 | jm_ | bah |
| 12:33.14 | jm_ | too many just* people |
| 12:33.15 | mtnman | juststormy: give me a break. a whole 105mb? |
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| 12:33.29 | kynes | I wanna get the man pages of C++ |
| 12:33.31 | Phated | mtnman: libs, etc. |
| 12:33.32 | kynes | how can I do it? |
| 12:33.47 | mtnman | phated: i was attempting sarcasm. |
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| 12:33.53 | Phated | mtnman: Oh, sorry. :) |
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| 12:34.26 | justStormY | jepp i only have a pure netinst |
| 12:34.36 | justStormY | because i want to create a live cd |
| 12:35.01 | justStormY | means needn't be bigger than 700mb at all |
| 12:35.06 | mtnman | juststormy: well, knopper seems to be able to fit k3b on his knoppix images |
| 12:35.24 | amphi | justStormY: cdrecord then |
| 12:35.31 | justStormY | sure because kde is included - k3b need some packets of that |
| 12:35.46 | justStormY | <-only xfce |
| 12:35.56 | philosomatiker | hi, i want to install debian sarge on my acer travelmate 4002 wlmi. therefore i burned the netinstall cd. booting with it the notebook hung up. with linux26 special parameters i got to the installation. now i can load with grub, but the notebook crashes after the usb insert. what to do? |
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| 12:37.06 | justdust | I'd like to set up a RAS server, and the device witch is used to call in is a bluetooth modem on a cell phone. I'd like to connect to my isp, trough my home connection, is this possible ? |
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| 12:38.16 | justdust | so laptop calls trough bluetooth modem to a bluetooth modem on the RAS, RAS connects me troug to the net... |
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| 12:39.10 | wouterrr | deb http://security.debian.org/ unstable/updates main |
| 12:39.14 | wouterrr | why does that gives me an error |
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| 12:39.19 | wouterrr | it used to work this morning |
| 12:39.22 | wouterrr | and now it 's broken? |
| 12:39.26 | wouterrr | how in godsname is that possible |
| 12:39.32 | Phated | Why not? |
| 12:39.33 | NikiN | hy |
| 12:39.35 | justdust | wouterrr, the space in the url... |
| 12:39.36 | lunitik | wouterrr: ping it... is it up? |
| 12:39.45 | wouterrr | yeah, logged in onto the ftp |
| 12:39.53 | mtnman | wouterrr: no security repos for unstable |
| 12:40.06 | jm_ | try asking dpkg about "security" and "unstable secuirty" |
| 12:40.08 | sparr | whats the name of the dockable program that has hundreds of system monitoring options? drive activity, temperatures, time, filesystem size, etc etc etc? |
| 12:40.11 | jm_ | without the typos |
| 12:40.16 | wouterrr | strange, it wasn't commented out or something |
| 12:40.21 | wouterrr | and i never had problems with apt-get update |
| 12:40.38 | NikiN | i have a question... sorry if its lame.... can i share files with windows maschines on the network? |
| 12:40.45 | Phated | samba. |
| 12:40.46 | liable | of course |
| 12:40.48 | jm_ | NikiN: you have our permission |
| 12:40.59 | justdust | has anyone seen my problem ? |
| 12:41.00 | NikiN | jm_ :D:D:D |
| 12:41.02 | wouterrr | mtnman: thought so already, because i couldn't find it in the dists dir on ftp |
| 12:41.06 | mtnman | wouterrr: if you were ever able to pull in security updates for unstable, that would be very surprising |
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| 12:41.23 | liable | or bullshit :) |
| 12:41.31 | mtnman | !tell wouterrr about unstable security |
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| 12:41.45 | wouterrr | i guess it was commented out, the line with the security crap |
| 12:41.47 | wouterrr | i didn't add it though |
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| 12:41.57 | philosomatiker | anyone knowing a way to get to the second step of installation? |
| 12:42.02 | NikiN | Are here any Hungarians with some Experience with UHU-Linux? |
| 12:42.04 | liable | maybe you changed stable to unstable... |
| 12:42.06 | wouterrr | thanks for your help |
| 12:42.16 | lunitik | philosomatiker: hit enter? |
| 12:42.20 | mtnman | you're welcome |
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| 12:43.16 | zu22 | is there opensource version of vmware (same functionality) for debian (package)? |
| 12:43.42 | Metrics | Try qemu. |
| 12:43.56 | zu22 | thanks |
| 12:43.57 | lunitik | zu22: they have free licenses of vmware... qemu kinda sucks |
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| 12:44.07 | zu22 | lunitik: ah k |
| 12:44.20 | philosomatiker | lunitik: on grub i hit enter to launch debian 2.6 installation, but it crashes after loading usb |
| 12:44.23 | FinnTux | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:44.24 | Metrics | I've just started using it, it's a bit slow but if you're happy to compile from source and used a proprietary kernel module then it's not too bad. |
| 12:44.25 | lunitik | zu22: sucks defined as "I've never gotten an image to function" |
| 12:44.42 | FinnTux | bochs is not quite vmware but same idea |
| 12:44.47 | Metrics | lunitik: Really, knoppix, debian sarge and XP work fine. |
| 12:44.48 | liable | philosomatiker: so pick expert and dont load usb |
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| 12:45.06 | lunitik | Metrics: care to provide config files? |
| 12:45.15 | lunitik | Metrics: was a while ago that I tried it :/ |
| 12:45.19 | philosomatiker | in grub i can also load an expert mode? |
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| 12:45.37 | philosomatiker | lunitik: after the first part of the installation? |
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| 12:45.54 | liable | philosomatiker: you are installing or booting? |
| 12:45.57 | Metrics | lunitik: No configuration files, I just followed the instructions on the site. I'm using the qemu accelerator as well. |
| 12:46.21 | jm_ | yeah, you don't need any config files, I had no problems booting my custom made boot CD-s with it |
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| 12:46.43 | Metrics | It just needs a chunk of RAM, but what emulator doesn't? |
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| 12:46.53 | theD3viL | Which line add into sources.list to have amule? |
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| 12:47.10 | philosomatiker | liable: i installed the basic system. then debian wants to reboot and launch the system for the second part of installation ... get the packages ... install them ... |
| 12:47.14 | liable | !info amule |
| 12:47.15 | dpkg | amule: (aNOTHER eMule P2P Client), section x11, is optional. Version: 2.0.3-3 (sid), Packaged size: 2385 kB, Installed size: 7048 kB |
| 12:47.23 | toonX | hi all, anybody knows a good dvb howto for linux ? i have this HUMAX BTCI-5900 external DVB wich i want to connect to a serial port on my linux box using a serial cable (maybe some nice tools too, for channel editing and such). All the docs i found are reffering to those who have a DVB card, but nothing about external DVB's on with serial port |
| 12:47.48 | augi | problem: kdm gives black screen when trying to log out |
| 12:47.54 | augi | debian stable |
| 12:47.59 | philosomatiker | liable: but it doesn't load the basic system. instead it crashes after loading usb |
| 12:48.21 | augi | any suggestions? |
| 12:48.28 | liable | philosomatiker: hrm do you get the grub screen at that stage when you boot? (i cant remember) |
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| 12:49.04 | Phated | liable: It's a normal boot. |
| 12:49.31 | philosomatiker | Phated: right |
| 12:49.34 | jm_ | so find out what loads USB modules and tell it not to load them |
| 12:49.41 | jm_ | one hint: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 12:49.44 | liable | Phated: right. as i say, my memory sucks :) |
| 12:50.01 | augi | :( |
| 12:50.01 | lunitik | jm_: he'd need to get into the system for that to be a valid answer... |
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| 12:50.31 | jm_ | lunitik: that's pretty trivial to achieve |
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| 12:50.48 | lunitik | jm_: enless there is a way to config things in /etc/hotplug/blacklist prior to boot? |
| 12:50.56 | Phated | Doesn't grub provide some kind of recovery mode? chroot from d-i? etc? |
| 12:50.58 | liable | aint usb=no a valid kernel option in grub? |
| 12:51.12 | jm_ | lunitik: no, /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
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| 12:51.52 | amphi | liable: kernel parameters have nothing to do with the bootloader |
| 12:51.54 | philosomatiker | when i load grub in recovery mode it crashes another time |
| 12:51.59 | lunitik | jm_: its not booting fullstop... afaik usb is loaded during single user... |
| 12:52.12 | Phated | Beh, chroot then. Enjoy. |
| 12:52.43 | bayer | how can i prevent modules from loading automatically? |
| 12:52.52 | lunitik | jm_: on account of its possible for hd to be external usb etc.... |
| 12:52.54 | jm_ | lunitik: single user mode is not mentioned at all |
| 12:53.04 | liable | amphi: then how does noapic, acpi=no work then? |
| 12:53.23 | lunitik | jm_: booting to /bin/bash is basically single user :/ |
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| 12:53.29 | mtnman | amphi: kernel parameters may be passed via the bootloader |
| 12:53.32 | jeanjacques | hello |
| 12:53.43 | lunitik | jm_: last time I did that... usb (hotplug) was loaded |
| 12:53.52 | jeanjacques | i'm looking for a good tutorial about installing php / mysql on debian |
| 12:53.58 | jeanjacques | do you have any references ? |
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| 12:54.24 | jm_ | lunitik: no it's not |
| 12:55.05 | saloxin | jeanjacques: apt-get install apache php4 mysql-server |
| 12:55.35 | jeanjacques | saloxin: yes ok but i was looking for some help about configuring etc. |
| 12:55.53 | lunitik | jm_: ok :/ |
| 12:56.12 | bayer | can anyone tell me how to permanently unload modules (also prevent them from loading when booting again) |
| 12:56.16 | Metrics | jeanjacques: Install the respective webmin stuff and you'll be sweet. You will also need libapache-mod-php4. |
| 12:56.33 | azeem | bayer: read up on hotplug blacklisting |
| 12:56.40 | jeanjacques | Metrics: ok thank you |
| 12:56.43 | jeanjacques | :) |
| 12:56.45 | Metrics | jeanjacques: /usr/share/doc/ also has some basic useful info. |
| 12:56.55 | jeanjacques | i love debian |
| 12:57.12 | liable | !aww |
| 12:57.13 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
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| 12:57.25 | Metrics | beautiful. |
| 12:57.56 | lac | I am getting the following error from debconf: |
| 12:57.58 | lac | debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Kde |
| 12:57.58 | lac | debconf: (Can't locate Qt.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl / |
| 12:58.03 | lac | ..... and so on. |
| 12:58.32 | lac | From this I conclude that debconf wants to talk to me using Qt. How do I tell debconf to use curses instead? |
| 12:58.46 | mtnman | dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 12:58.50 | liable | lac: try dpkg-reconfigure debconf and change the thing. |
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| 12:59.50 | bayer | azeem: i don't use hotplug... |
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| 13:00.08 | mtnman | bayer: are you sure? it runs automagically in sarge |
| 13:00.17 | liable | discover.. |
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| 13:00.57 | lac | thank you |
| 13:01.05 | bayer | mtnman yes, it's a server where i dont need hotplug |
| 13:02.04 | mtnman | bayer: are you sure it isn't running automagically? |
| 13:02.18 | liable | dpkg -l hotplug.. |
| 13:02.22 | dpkg | No packages found matching hotplug.. |
| 13:02.30 | liable | :) |
| 13:02.31 | mtnman | ok... |
| 13:02.44 | Metrics | bayer: in /etc/discover.conf use skip <module name> to skip stuff. |
| 13:03.03 | azeem | bayer: so uninstall discover and put all needed modules into /etc/modules? |
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| 13:03.24 | Metrics | That's another option. |
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| 13:04.12 | bayer | at least my collegue claims to have removed it ;) |
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| 13:04.54 | e0f | j #cslug |
| 13:04.58 | kane-xs | anyone wiht good knowledge of dpkg can tell me why this is not working? the chroot() in the trace almost looks like a logic bug in dpkg. http://paste.husk.org/4539 |
| 13:05.53 | justStormY | ive got a problem - i have generated a live boot cd of an debian and i tryed this cd in a other system - but there it hangs up while booting and says: canot open /dev/console: no such file - kernel panic error - does anybody know what to do? |
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| 13:06.39 | liable | try googling that error. |
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| 13:06.56 | smo | hi |
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| 13:07.16 | mordur | #plone |
| 13:07.43 | kane-xs | btw, nm.. grepping the dpkg sourcetree: |
| 13:07.46 | kane-xs | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:07.46 | kane-xs | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:07.46 | kane-xs | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:07.47 | kane-xs | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:07.49 | smo | anyone cna tell me why i can t use any mozilla's softwares or only in root |
| 13:07.50 | smo | ?? |
| 13:08.03 | smo | i removed the .mozilla in my home but nothing |
| 13:08.06 | eps | mmm |
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| 13:08.10 | eps | using debian? |
| 13:08.11 | nkuttler | smo: what error do you get? |
| 13:08.23 | smo | any just don t launch |
| 13:08.29 | toonX | so .. conclusion .. no one can connect his external DVB to linux !!! |
| 13:08.33 | smo | i don t knw if i have a log for this type of problem |
| 13:08.34 | liable | kane-xs: /topic |
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| 13:08.43 | nkuttler | smo: start it from the command line |
| 13:08.46 | smo | i can t laucnh mozilla nor firefox or thunderbird |
| 13:08.49 | smo | only in root... |
| 13:08.53 | toonX | thanks dudes, i tought you were better than that |
| 13:09.02 | smo | same thing with commad line nkuttler |
| 13:09.09 | nkuttler | smo: no output at all? |
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| 13:09.19 | smo | no.. |
| 13:09.22 | liable | smo: have you been messing with permissions/ |
| 13:09.28 | liable | ? |
| 13:09.32 | saloxin | toonX: for specialized hardware (as a dvb player over serial) google will serve you better |
| 13:09.33 | nkuttler | smo: it's hard to believe that... |
| 13:09.35 | smo | i don t think so |
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| 13:09.44 | Mithsir | Hello! One of my Network connections keeps crashing. It can be recovered by ifdown/ifup'ing the device. I noticed, that my NW card has an IRQ of 177. How can it be that large and may that be the reason for the problem? |
| 13:09.51 | smo | i just apt-get upgrade yesterday and no more mozilla .... |
| 13:10.02 | nkuttler | smo: what happens when you ./usr/bin/mozilla ? |
| 13:10.17 | nkuttler | gah |
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| 13:10.24 | nkuttler | smo: /usr/bin/mozilla i mean |
| 13:10.30 | smo | i try |
| 13:10.32 | toonX | saloxin i did found some tools , but what i am asking is how can set the damn serial port, linux does not detect anything when i plug the dvb |
| 13:10.35 | justStormY | liable: can it be because the original system is 32bit and the test system is a 64 bit? |
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| 13:10.51 | toonX | saloxin maybe you can give me some hint ? |
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| 13:11.13 | smo | smo@smo:~$ /usr/bin/mozilla |
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| 13:11.18 | smo | stay like that... |
| 13:11.22 | saloxin | toonX: what speed and settings does the dvb expect? |
| 13:11.29 | electron_ | Hi, my monitor is flickering alot |
| 13:11.32 | nkuttler | smo: what happens when you type xmessage foo? |
| 13:11.49 | smo | small windows with foo in |
| 13:11.56 | saloxin | toonX: setserial might be of help. most devices use 9600 8N1 unless speed is an issue |
| 13:12.02 | toonX | saloxin i belive it can function at the top speed of the serial port |
| 13:12.08 | toonX | saloxin oh |
| 13:12.10 | smo | crazy |
| 13:12.23 | toonX | saloxin ok setserial is a good start |
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| 13:13.02 | electron_ | Hi, my monitor is flickering alot, Im using a Geforce 2 32mb and LG 700s 17" monitor, the resolution is the next after 1024x768, Windows can handle this resoluton so how can I fix the flickering? |
| 13:13.08 | ahinoi | Mithsir it's that large because your mainboard has an APIC on board. That could be the cause of the problem, however it may be caused also by an unreliable driver |
| 13:13.17 | smo | damn strange problem |
| 13:13.26 | jm_ | Mithsir: try without APIC support |
| 13:13.28 | treyh0 | electron_: go down to 60 hz for your refresh rate (or somethign else if its already 60) |
| 13:13.32 | jm_ | booting without it I mean |
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| 13:13.34 | Mithsir | my NIC is a 8139 |
| 13:13.43 | Mithsir | jm_, how do I disable APIC? BIOS? |
| 13:13.50 | jm_ | Mithsir: kernel parameters |
| 13:13.56 | Mithsir | oh. |
| 13:14.04 | treyh0 | Mithsir: 'noapic' in the boot command line i think |
| 13:14.05 | ahinoi | ok then it's not the driver |
| 13:14.27 | smo | no solution nkuttler? |
| 13:15.13 | Metrics | Can anyone here tell me how to get mutt to display on opening a default maildir folder? |
| 13:15.18 | Mithsir | ok, I will try the noapic option and come back if that diesn't work. thanks! |
| 13:15.25 | jm_ | Metrics: man mutt; man muttrc |
| 13:15.36 | mtnman | or /j #mutt |
| 13:15.37 | ahinoi | sounds like a curse |
| 13:15.55 | ahinoi | bye :) |
| 13:16.19 | Mithsir | is it apic or acpi? |
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| 13:16.24 | treyh0 | Metrics: mutt -f ~/.maildir doesn't work? |
| 13:16.26 | jm_ | well both actually |
| 13:16.29 | treyh0 | Mithsir: i think there are both |
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| 13:16.49 | Mithsir | oh |
| 13:16.56 | treyh0 | acpi is power management stuff i believe, but i dont know what apic is |
| 13:17.04 | valdyn | !acpi |
| 13:17.05 | dpkg | [acpi] Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/ |
| 13:17.05 | jm_ | !APIC |
| 13:17.05 | dpkg | i guess apic is Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller, a new PIC, and about time too... Can be disabled on boot by adding noapic (and nolapic for local apic) to your boot parameters. |
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| 13:17.11 | treyh0 | just know sometimes you have to disable it for linux to boot up |
| 13:17.26 | taucher_ | hallihallo i got a small but annoying problem with my ubuntu and need help |
| 13:17.27 | jm_ | so you got them backwards ;) |
| 13:17.31 | moconnor | I dist-upgraded a server yesterday and then Kerberos authentication via PAM broke for SSH. This is weird b/c it broke *only* for SSH. It doesn't look like PAM, Kerberos, or SSH were updated int he dist-upgrade. Anyone hear/see anything remotely like this problem recently? |
| 13:17.32 | treyh0 | cool |
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| 13:17.56 | treyh0 | moconnor: did it update your /etc/pam.d/ssh ? |
| 13:18.18 | moconnor | treyh0 - nope |
| 13:18.32 | treyh0 | :/ |
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| 13:18.35 | moconnor | nor any of the common-* files |
| 13:19.48 | saloxin | toonX: also doublecheck your settings with bios seetings for serial port, they have to match |
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| 13:23.00 | _david | need some help with installing php5 and squirrelmal |
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| 13:23.45 | Mithsir | is it safe to remotely rebood my machine with nolapic turned off (just changed the setting)? |
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| 13:24.01 | _david | actually I installed php5 and squirrelmail, but I need to configure php5 with session support enabled. I dont know how to do that |
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| 13:25.13 | bob2 | Mithsir: should be |
| 13:25.23 | bob2 | I've never heard of that option making a system more broken |
| 13:25.32 | Mithsir | ok, then I'll give it a try :-) |
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| 13:31.05 | Mithsir | hmm, this is taking too long, I probably have to run now. thanks for the hints! |
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| 13:32.42 | _david | How do compile php5 with session support using apt-get? is that possible? |
| 13:32.48 | jinch | \help |
| 13:33.45 | ircdevil | any guess of what the difference is between a RedHat/SUSE installer and RedHat/SUSE RPM ? |
| 13:34.12 | jinch | leave |
| 13:34.23 | jinch | help |
| 13:34.26 | jinch | shit |
| 13:34.31 | FinnTux | try /help |
| 13:34.32 | phar0z | this is debian channel |
| 13:34.36 | phar0z | not redhat/suse (: |
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| 13:35.36 | ircdevil | bah, you morons - which should i go for attempting to install the critter on this box (sarge) |
| 13:35.44 | bob2 | wtf |
| 13:35.56 | jinch | I'm trying "/help", but this bloody program repeats with error... |
| 13:36.01 | asg | bob2: he's on the crack today apparently |
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| 13:36.18 | tralala | jinch: what would be the "bloody program"? |
| 13:36.53 | jinch | netwalker-ircc |
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| 13:39.46 | tralala | jinch: I've never heard of it. Try /quit and select another one. |
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| 13:39.59 | jinch | tralala> Thank you for help, but i'm giving up. Ctrl-C doesn't work too, well, seems to have kill somebody... Sorry... |
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| 13:40.15 | Anthro | I'm having privoxy problems. In particular, it seems that my custom filters aren't running properly. The show-url-info config URL says that the filter is being applied, but even an extremely simple filter doesn't get executed. There is nothing to indicate why in privoxy's logs, even with debug 64. Can anyone help? |
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| 13:41.27 | smo | still have my problem with mozilla softs, i can t launch any of them with normal user |
| 13:41.33 | smo | only root.. |
| 13:42.06 | rossi | anyone can help me to setup vdr? |
| 13:42.09 | tralala | smo: debian release/window manager/error msg, please? |
| 13:42.18 | rossi | is there a how to`? |
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| 13:42.55 | smo | .debian/xorg/any log error |
| 13:43.55 | tralala | !tell smo -about ask |
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| 13:45.08 | smo | i can t give those info if i don t have them tralala |
| 13:45.32 | jm_ | smo: maybe you installed some crappy extensions as root? |
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| 13:46.04 | theD3viL | Which programm to torrents? (no bittornado or bittorent) ? |
| 13:46.11 | jm_ | rtorrent |
| 13:46.13 | laurens_ | rtorrent |
| 13:46.21 | theD3viL | tnx will test |
| 13:46.27 | jair_11 | Ungy, hello are you here? |
| 13:46.39 | tralala | smo: I can't help if I don't know what the problem is. |
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| 13:47.09 | theD3viL | laurens_, jm_ do i have to add sources ? |
| 13:47.17 | jm_ | theD3viL: it's not in Sarge |
| 13:47.19 | stanny | hi. i got the problem that pid files arent written on my debian sarge v server. im very new to linux administration and cannot figure it out why i cant shutdown / restart my programs life vsftpd oder apache wether they are running (ps -A) |
| 13:47.19 | smo | yeah, it s ok now tralala |
| 13:47.24 | smo | thx... |
| 13:47.27 | jair_11 | !seen Ungy |
| 13:47.27 | dpkg | ungy is currently on #debian (5d 18h 50m 56s). Has said a total of 2266 messages. Is idling for 1d 15h 52m 34s |
| 13:47.27 | lac | pygame is complaining that i don't have a /dev/sequencer. How do i get one? |
| 13:47.29 | theD3viL | jm_, only in sid ? |
| 13:47.43 | jm_ | theD3viL: and testing - it's trivial to backport it though |
| 13:47.56 | valdyn | stanny: /etc/init.d/apache stop |
| 13:48.05 | theD3viL | jm_, now what? Which programm is in sarge for torrents? |
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| 13:48.14 | jm_ | theD3viL: apt-cache search torrent |
| 13:48.19 | theD3viL | tnx |
| 13:48.37 | stanny | valdyn, it says that that no process if found in pidfile: /var/run/apache.pid \-: |
| 13:48.51 | stanny | valdyn, but it is running, can connect on port 80 and i see the process under ps -A |
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| 13:49.06 | theD3viL | is qtorrent good, jm_ ? |
| 13:49.10 | jm_ | stanny: /msg dpkg open ports |
| 13:49.14 | jm_ | theD3viL: I wouldn't know |
| 13:49.20 | tralala | stanny: how did you start it? Do you have free space under /var/run? |
| 13:49.29 | stanny | jm_, cool but i dont want to open a port (-; |
| 13:49.39 | valdyn | stanny: killall apache && /etc/init.d/apache start |
| 13:49.45 | stanny | tralala, how can i check the free space? apache server was started by my hoster |
| 13:49.53 | jm_ | stanny: it's not about opening a port, it's about commands that tell you which process is listening on a port... |
| 13:50.13 | stanny | jm_, ok thanks |
| 13:50.22 | Fubarovic | i can't for the love of god get NFS to properly work: it mounts flawlessly but the dirs are empty and df output is completely wrong. how do i fix this ? |
| 13:50.39 | tralala | stanny: are you sure you have the rights to turn it off? df -h /var/run |
| 13:50.57 | stanny | tralala, yes i have. |
| 13:51.15 | stanny | tralala, free space can be the point? how can i check that? |
| 13:51.26 | jm_ | he already told you |
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| 13:51.53 | tralala | stanny: df -h /var/run |
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| 13:52.47 | stanny | filesystem: vzfs, size: 2g benut 2g verf 39M ben% 99% mounted on / |
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| 13:54.13 | tralala | stanny: my german is quite rusty. Does it say 99% used? is it mounted as read only? (hint: mount) |
| 13:54.15 | stanny | well... fuck... network has to be closed |
| 13:54.23 | stanny | sorry, bye bye |
| 13:54.25 | jm_ | that's not german |
| 13:54.33 | stanny | damn school ^ |
| 13:54.36 | streuner | heh |
| 13:54.37 | jm_ | or is it abbreviated? |
| 13:55.05 | azeem | jm_: looks like, yes |
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| 13:55.23 | jm_ | ahh he was German after all |
| 13:55.24 | stanny | ok, re |
| 13:55.38 | stanny | think this 99% percent means 99% used )-: |
| 13:55.44 | stanny | and yes, i am german, sorry 4 my bad english |
| 13:55.57 | azeem | stanny: there's #debian.de, btw |
| 13:56.14 | stanny | oh, thanks |
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| 13:56.45 | tralala | stanny: so is it a read-only mount? |
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| 13:57.24 | stanny | tralala, think not because i can upload files via ftp |
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| 13:57.50 | tralala | stanny: mount | grep var |
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| 14:01.55 | pigor | hello |
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| 14:03.18 | pigor | i have debian testing and ... there are several packages not available (lyx, k3b, amarok) ... but available in unstable AND stable. where can i see when they are ready for testing? |
| 14:03.36 | jm_ | pigor: /msg dpkg why is <pkgname> not in testing |
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| 14:04.36 | bob2 | pigor: lyx will be back this week |
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| 14:04.49 | bob2 | it was removed because someone binnmued it on ia-64 |
| 14:04.55 | jeanjacques | is there something like plesk on debian ? |
| 14:05.03 | pigor | bob2: cool |
| 14:05.12 | Varanger | hello, I am about to buy a turion64 laptop... do you know if Debian has support for it ?? |
| 14:05.13 | streuner | jeanjacques: /msg dpkg search |
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| 14:05.36 | jeanjacques | streuner: nope there's nothing i tried apt-cache search plesk |
| 14:05.39 | valdyn | Varanger: the cpu is not an issue |
| 14:05.52 | brosioz | how could i execute a script if in a home directory after autentication there is a file with extension .xxx ? |
| 14:06.05 | Varanger | valdyn: I was afraid it was a 64-bit proccessor so I could have problems |
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| 14:06.17 | omry|work | I have a problem with ATEN kvm switch, CS-84A on Debian, kernel version 2.6.13. the switch hotkey has no effect, and I get this in the syslog: "kernel: atkbd.c: Spurious ACK on isa0060/serio0. Some program, like XFree86, might be trying access hardware directly.", anyone encounted it? |
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| 14:06.49 | valdyn | Varanger: the turion runs 32bit code ( debian/i386 ) just fine |
| 14:06.54 | Siba | hello, could anyone tell me how to find out which debian is installed in the server? Sarge or Sid? |
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| 14:07.11 | tralala | Varanger: plus there is an unofficial amd64 sarge |
| 14:07.22 | Siba | When I do uname -a, I get this: |
| 14:07.31 | at0m|c | hi, i've set up gnump3d but can only access it from localhost - it returns "connection refused" from anywhere else. inetd.conf and gnump3d.conf are set up properly. would it by my iptables blocking the traffic? or how can i easily stop and restart iptables so i can try that? |
| 14:07.32 | tralala | Siba: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 14:07.33 | moconnor | Siba - cat /etc/debian_version |
| 14:07.41 | Varanger | travala: is there an unofficial/official amd64 sid? |
| 14:07.48 | jeanjacques | what tool do you use for an ISP server running debian ? |
| 14:07.53 | jarjar26 | i couldn't play sound with my user ... only with root ... why ? i use alsa ... |
| 14:07.54 | tralala | Varanger: yes |
| 14:08.29 | tralala | I think amd64 is officialy supported in etch |
| 14:08.39 | valdyn | jarjar26: b/c your user is not in the audio group |
| 14:08.47 | Siba | tralala and moconnor, says 3.0 |
| 14:09.01 | tralala | Siba: so you're running potato?! |
| 14:09.05 | bob2 | jeanjacques: your text editor |
| 14:09.08 | jarjar26 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:09.10 | Varanger | travala: That's good... I use only sid and etch |
| 14:09.11 | moconnor | Siba - So that's Woody. 3.0 is woody. |
| 14:09.11 | bob2 | jeanjacques: cfengine might be useful, too |
| 14:09.12 | tralala | err, woody |
| 14:09.15 | jeanjacques | bob2: thanks |
| 14:09.19 | Siba | thanks |
| 14:09.25 | moconnor | Siba - 3.1 is Sarge |
| 14:09.36 | GNU_ | hellos to all Debianers ;) |
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| 14:10.51 | jeanjacques | i'm looking for something more user friendly than webmin |
| 14:11.03 | jeanjacques | a tool to manage website |
| 14:11.16 | Metrics | jeanjacques: What do you want to do in terms of management? |
| 14:12.06 | jeanjacques | Metrics: managing domain names, mail adress, |
| 14:12.57 | Metrics | jeanjacques: Hmmm...well I don't know of anything much simpler that webmin. By mail addresses do you mean a mail server? |
| 14:13.06 | Varanger | kde |
| 14:13.09 | jeanjacques | Metrics: yes |
| 14:13.18 | bboett | um are there hidden proceses? my machine shows a usage of 8 but the most consuming process shown by top uses 1.7% CPU?? |
| 14:13.33 | GNU_ | well frineds my nvidia Install is a Success :)) |
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| 14:13.44 | jeanjacques | Metrics: i recognize that webmin is really a great tool but i was wondering if there was someting else |
| 14:13.50 | jm_ | bboett: usage? you mean load? load is not directly related to CPU usage |
| 14:14.06 | bboett | lucky you GNU_ .... if i ever activate the nvidia stuff i have an immediate freeze of my display.... |
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| 14:14.12 | bboett | yep jm_ |
| 14:14.13 | Metrics | jeanjacques: Okay, well I've just finished setting up a server for mail and for apache/mysql/php (sound familiar) and the best way to do it really is to spend some time reading howto's and the doc's. |
| 14:14.24 | bboett | then what's happening? |
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| 14:14.35 | Metrics | jeanjacques: Once it's set-up though, it's a breeze to keep running though. |
| 14:14.39 | jm_ | that's up to you to find out - probably processes waiting for I/O |
| 14:14.40 | GNU_ | bboett, shit with nvidia, why always nvidia boxes are like this |
| 14:14.40 | bboett | how can i know what is bogging my machine down? |
| 14:14.46 | feanor | hi |
| 14:14.50 | abrotman | bboett: it could be disk IO |
| 14:14.57 | bboett | i completely agree GNU_ |
| 14:14.58 | feanor | i try to get my wireless lan work |
| 14:15.09 | l3m | dondelelcaro, bibe: i managed to solve the ipw2200 problem - turns out ieee80211 and ipw2200 are now included in kernel 2.6.14 - thanks again for your help |
| 14:15.10 | bboett | abrotman, disks aren't moving more as usual... |
| 14:15.19 | abrotman | bboett: how do you know ? |
| 14:15.20 | feanor | i have an intel centino notebook with 54 mbit/s |
| 14:15.21 | GNU_ | bboett, but i am lucky to get away with it :) |
| 14:15.27 | jeanjacques | Metrics: ok but do you still find it easy to manage when you have for example 50 users, with 50 different domain names etc...? |
| 14:15.39 | feanor | i compiled the ipw2200 source code and loaded the module |
| 14:15.44 | feanor | correct so far ? |
| 14:15.45 | bboett | abrotman, i am sitting juste benath the machine and its open :D |
| 14:15.48 | abrotman | bboett: are you using a ton of swap .. waiting for Disk IO .. waiting for network? IO encompasses many parts of your computer |
| 14:15.57 | l3m | feanor: which kernel do you use? |
| 14:16.01 | abrotman | !tell feanor about ipw2100 |
| 14:16.02 | feanor | i'm asking what is the next step i have to do ? |
| 14:16.05 | bboett | free shows 500M of free space, and swap used at 10% |
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| 14:16.10 | feanor | l3m, 2.6 |
| 14:16.19 | l3m | feanor: 2.6.what? |
| 14:16.35 | l3m | feanor: i have ipw2200 in my notebook too .. |
| 14:16.45 | l3m | feanor: use "uname -a " to find out the exact version |
| 14:16.48 | Metrics | jeanjacques: If you're smart, then you can configure it so that you don't have to play with config files too much. For example, use virtual users in exim and courier such that you only have to work with database info. |
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| 14:17.13 | feanor | l3m, Linux blue 2.6.8-2-686 #1 Thu May 19 17:53:30 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 14:17.14 | dimir | Morning! |
| 14:17.25 | jeanjacques | Metrics: ok thank you for the advice |
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| 14:17.38 | bboett | hmmm part of cups are unkillable..... at least they ignore a kill -9 is there anything more radical than kill -9 ? |
| 14:17.41 | tralala | dimir: Evening! |
| 14:17.45 | abrotman | bboett: sometimes iostat can help to see if your HDDs are overly taxed |
| 14:17.53 | smard | does anyone know the difference between athlon and sepmron processors? |
| 14:17.53 | jeanjacques | Metrics: and by the way have you found a really great tutorial about configuring bind ? |
| 14:17.59 | jm_ | smard: many people do |
| 14:18.00 | Metrics | jeanjacques: Sorry I couldn't be of more help. The fact of the matter is that such a set-up is always going to require work. |
| 14:18.01 | abrotman | (though .. it seems to matter more when it's a server logging tons of stuff) |
| 14:18.04 | l3m | feanor: ok, do this: "apt-get install module-assistant; m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200" <- this should automatically download the sources for the modules you need, compile them and install them |
| 14:18.12 | abrotman | smard: think P4 vs Celeron |
| 14:18.20 | tralala | !tell bboett -about zombie |
| 14:18.46 | feanor | l3m, whats m-a a-i ? |
| 14:18.48 | smard | so athlon is like celeron? |
| 14:18.58 | l3m | feanor: "module-assistant auto-install" |
| 14:19.00 | Metrics | jeanjacques: No, I found the HOWTO's from google pretty good, but I have a good tutorial for bind9 and dhcp3 for dynamic updates. |
| 14:19.05 | abrotman | smard: no .. athlon is like p4 .. sempron is like celeron |
| 14:19.06 | l3m | feanor: if you wanna type more .. ;) |
| 14:19.17 | jm_ | smacnay: is Celeron cheaper than P4 then? |
| 14:19.19 | feanor | l3m, lsmod says the following: |
| 14:19.21 | feanor | ipw2200 161000 0 |
| 14:19.22 | feanor | firmware_class 10176 1 ipw2200 |
| 14:19.22 | feanor | ieee80211 41156 1 ipw2200 |
| 14:19.23 | feanor | ieee80211_crypt 6056 2 ipw2200,ieee80211 |
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| 14:19.32 | jeanjacques | Metrics: ok thank you |
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| 14:19.37 | feanor | sorry |
| 14:19.38 | bboett | ok tralala and how do i get the parent? |
| 14:19.43 | l3m | feanor: ah seems you have the modules already installed |
| 14:19.44 | smard | oh okay then. so the cheap 2800+ sempron laptops coming out now, not so good? |
| 14:19.49 | jeanjacques | Metrics: bye |
| 14:19.51 | l3m | feanor: then just ifup the interface |
| 14:19.53 | feanor | l3m, i think so too |
| 14:19.54 | l3m | and it should work |
| 14:19.59 | tralala | is dhclient invokation over wireless supposed to be any different than over wire? |
| 14:20.07 | feanor | l3m, ok i can make a ifconfig eth1 up |
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| 14:20.18 | l3m | feanor: try ifup eth1 |
| 14:20.23 | Metrics | jeanjacques: Bye, if you need any help I'm usually around someplace. debian-user is pretty good too if you can stand the traffic. |
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| 14:20.29 | feanor | but if i do an iwconfig i get by the eth1 device: "no wireless extensions" |
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| 14:20.42 | bboett | tralala, nope... it works over an interface.. how the interface is implemented is another problem... |
| 14:20.44 | l3m | feanor: iwconfig tells you which one is the wireless iface |
| 14:20.47 | jeanjacques | Metrics: yep ok ! |
| 14:21.36 | bboett | as supposed iostat shows nothing irregular... |
| 14:21.46 | feanor | l3m, if i do an ifup eth1 its telling me the follwing: "Ignoring unknown interface eth1=eth1." |
| 14:21.57 | l3m | feanor: what does iwconfig tell you |
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| 14:22.34 | feanor | l3m if i do an iwconfig eth1 it says me "eth1 no wireless extensions" |
| 14:22.45 | l3m | so eth1 is not your wireless interface |
| 14:22.50 | feanor | hmmm |
| 14:22.53 | smard | are pentium m cpu's any good? |
| 14:23.17 | tralala | now if you do iwconfig (without any interface) it is supposed to tell you which one is the wireless interface |
| 14:23.25 | feanor | l3m, but eth0 is my ethernet device and that works fine |
| 14:23.42 | abrotman | smard: ask #hardware |
| 14:23.49 | GNU_ | any one having kernel panic errors with 2.6.8 kernel that comes with Deb Sarge 3.1 |
| 14:23.58 | abrotman | run memtest |
| 14:24.00 | tralala | smard: depends on the definition of good |
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| 14:24.06 | l3m | feanor: hmm did you install the firmware? |
| 14:24.08 | Siba | I am encountering problem to install the server (woody). When I try to apt-get I get some dependency unmet problems and when I apt-get -f install, it gives "4 expected programs not fund on PATH" (ldconfig, start-stop-daemon, install-info and update-rc.d) |
| 14:24.08 | feanor | tralala, iwconfig say to all my devices "no wireless extensions" |
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| 14:24.32 | scanwinder | has anyone played around with cosmopod? - i cant seem to log into it...is it because of high traffic? does anyone know of any others that offer a virtual desktop on the internet? |
| 14:24.39 | l3m | feanor: maybe you didn't install the firmware from ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php |
| 14:24.46 | valdyn | feanor: have you installed the firmware for your ipw2200? |
| 14:24.58 | valdyn | l3m: uh sorry |
| 14:25.11 | l3m | ;) |
| 14:25.36 | feanor | l3m, i downloaded the firmware from this sf page, copied and extracted in ... |
| 14:25.38 | feanor | mom |
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| 14:28.12 | SimonRaven | Siba: your $PATH is incomplete for root; why are you installing woody? |
| 14:28.46 | Siba | because woody is installed as base system by my webhost in my dedicated server, SimonRaven |
| 14:29.00 | jbroome | ouch |
| 14:29.32 | SimonRaven | then upgrade it, it won't be supported forever |
| 14:29.40 | lac | I am running 2.6.8-1-686 because my wireless did not work with later ones. I am using ipw2200 on a thinkpad. |
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| 14:29.54 | lac | are you saying it is now fine to upgrade to a newer kernel? |
| 14:30.00 | SimonRaven | Siba: and fix your PATH |
| 14:30.32 | Siba | SimonRaven: I am new to these stuffs like upgrading and fix the PATH, any guides? |
| 14:30.33 | feanor | l3m, maybe i have the firmware files on the wrong place ? |
| 14:30.42 | feanor | what is the correct place for the |
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| 14:30.55 | Siba | SimonRaven, and is it possible to upgrade remotely using ssh? |
| 14:30.57 | feanor | google says something like where the firmware agent looks |
| 14:31.10 | feanor | but where looks my firmware agent |
| 14:31.22 | SimonRaven | Siba: for now you can do export PATH="$PATH"/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/sbin" ; then run the apt-get -f install |
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| 14:31.30 | SimonRaven | Siba: no wait |
| 14:31.43 | SimonRaven | Siba: export PATH="$PATH:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/sbin" |
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| 14:31.48 | ChristianP | hi all |
| 14:31.53 | afed | HELOLO |
| 14:31.57 | l3m | feanor: did you compile the modules "by hand"? |
| 14:32.08 | l3m | feanor: if you did, i'd uninstall them and then use module-assistant |
| 14:32.13 | feanor | l3m, no with help of module-assistant |
| 14:32.17 | l3m | ok |
| 14:32.50 | l3m | feanor: then check in /usr/share/doc/ipw2200-modules-(version)/README.firmware if you have the correct firmware version installed |
| 14:32.51 | feanor | l3m, whats the place i have to copy the fw files ? |
| 14:33.14 | l3m | feanor: it also says where to put them |
| 14:33.46 | l3m | after you did that, run m-a a-i ipw2200 again. if they firmware is in the correct place, you won't get the firmware message from m-a |
| 14:34.26 | ChristianP | a problem: i make a dist-upgrade of my system. Now i can't call the su command: after password inserting it says: configuration error: object «QUOTAS_ENAB» unknown (contact administrator) (or something like this) |
| 14:34.30 | SimonRaven | Siba: yes it is. |
| 14:34.51 | SimonRaven | dpkg: tell Siba -about woody->sarge |
| 14:34.56 | l3m | how would i force the kernel not to load certain modules it detected during startup? ( e.g. bluetooth and pcmcia) ? |
| 14:35.17 | ChristianP | the same for «NOLOGIN_STR»«ENV_HZ»«PASS_MAX_LEN»«CHFN_AUTH»«CLOSE_SESSIONS» |
| 14:35.38 | ChristianP | what's the matter? how can i solve this problem? |
| 14:35.40 | SimonRaven | fix your /etc/login.defs |
| 14:35.44 | tralala | l3m: if you use hotplug /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
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| 14:35.58 | ChristianP | SimonRaven, are you talking with me? |
| 14:36.03 | SimonRaven | you'll have an /etc/login.defs.dpkg-dist |
| 14:36.06 | SimonRaven | yes |
| 14:36.13 | ChristianP | how can i fix this? |
| 14:36.29 | SimonRaven | SimonRaven : fix your /etc/login.defs |
| 14:36.33 | yang__ | Is there a good manual for debian on sparc? |
| 14:36.35 | SimonRaven | SimonRaven : you'll have an /etc/login.defs.dpkg-dist |
| 14:36.37 | feanor | l3m, all rigth i didi it again and he says nothing about any firmware |
| 14:36.46 | feanor | what now ? |
| 14:36.54 | l3m | ok now modprobe ipw2200 and then run iwconfig |
| 14:37.26 | l3m | tralala: i use udev ( 2.6.14 kernel doesn't want hotplug anymore ) |
| 14:37.46 | tralala | l3m: oh! |
| 14:38.37 | feanor | l3m, ok i did modprobe ipw2200 (no reply) then i do a iwconfig and that says i have no wireless extensions on all devices :-( |
| 14:39.05 | amphi | l3m: really? o dear... |
| 14:39.10 | tralala | feanor: modprobe -r ipw2200; modprobe ipw2200 |
| 14:40.08 | feanor | tralala, thanks that works... now i have some wireless extensions on my eth2 device |
| 14:40.27 | jeanjacques | i've changed the webmin config file with allow=all but i still can't access it with an ip adress different from 127.0.0.1 |
| 14:41.19 | l3m | feanor: hmm rmmod ipw2200 ieee80211 |
| 14:41.22 | tralala | feanor: now read in /usr/share/doc/*wireless* how to configure your interfaces file |
| 14:41.26 | l3m | feanor: then modprobe ipw2200 again |
| 14:41.32 | tralala | l3m: already done |
| 14:41.53 | feanor | ok thanks to you |
| 14:41.54 | l3m | ah ok |
| 14:42.01 | tralala | jeanjacques: you need to restart the service |
| 14:42.11 | feanor | but now i have to hurry my mathematics lecture starts in 30 minutes |
| 14:42.21 | feanor | i will try it at evening |
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| 14:42.25 | feanor | thanks a lot so far |
| 14:42.28 | tralala | feanor: good luck |
| 14:42.47 | jeanjacques | tralala: in fact i allowed the ip adress i'm using now and after i went to the webmin config module |
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| 14:43.11 | jeanjacques | i looked at the config file and in fact it just erased the line "allow=" |
| 14:43.21 | jeanjacques | and it's working now |
| 14:43.23 | jeanjacques | :) |
| 14:43.41 | tralala | so we have a happy ending |
| 14:43.46 | tralala | cheers! |
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| 14:48.00 | scanwinder | anyone know of a sidebar for linux? (like longhorn sidebar type thing...but hopefully better) |
| 14:48.27 | scanwinder | i did hear about one....dashboard or sumthin........but it seems to be unsupported...and i cant even find the website for it at the moment |
| 14:48.50 | scanwinder | or like google desktop - i really want one like that |
| 14:49.40 | Mage\work | scanwinder: beagle |
| 14:49.42 | kneet | scanwinder - there's beagle in unstable |
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| 14:50.02 | SimonRaven | dashboard is mac os x. |
| 14:50.09 | abrotman | beagle! |
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| 14:50.50 | scanwinder | ok its installed.......what command do i run beagle with? |
| 14:51.15 | kneet | Take a look in /usr/share/doc/beagle? |
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| 14:51.16 | Wanderer | bah |
| 14:51.18 | Wanderer | dpkg -L beagle |
| 14:51.19 | dpkg | No packages found matching beagle |
| 14:51.44 | kneet | Wanderer, apt-cache policy shows "http://ftp.no.debian.org unstable/main Packages" - so it's only unstable |
| 14:52.02 | l3m | amphi: what's so bad about replacing hotplug with udev? |
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| 14:52.14 | kneet | scanwinder, if you get it working for you then there is also a beagle plugin for firefox |
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| 14:52.53 | tralala | l3m: well hotplug works, why throwing it? |
| 14:53.07 | scanwinder | i cant get it working - how do i get up a sidebar? |
| 14:53.18 | l3m | heh ok |
| 14:53.21 | SimonRaven | it's not a sidbar thing |
| 14:53.22 | stew | l3m: i had scripts that relied on both being on my system. i'm sure it will be easy to rewrite them to only rely on udev, but i don't have the time right now to try and figure it out |
| 14:53.24 | SimonRaven | sidebar* |
| 14:53.42 | kneet | But the "best" app part is sort of |
| 14:53.42 | SimonRaven | whatever the fuck a sidebar is |
| 14:53.44 | scanwinder | well someone said it was a sidebar lol |
| 14:54.00 | kneet | You can run best - and if you have enotify in the kernel (if that was the option) then it functions as one |
| 14:54.06 | scanwinder | i didnt think it was before...i thought it was just a search thing |
| 14:54.09 | SimonRaven | no one did, you assumed it was |
| 14:54.15 | scanwinder | oh ok |
| 14:54.17 | SimonRaven | kneet: inotify |
| 14:54.20 | kneet | Thats the one |
| 14:54.27 | SimonRaven | it is a search thing |
| 14:54.29 | amphi | l3m: dunno - I'm kind of attached to my static /dev - I know almost nothing about udev |
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| 14:54.59 | xal | can anyone tell me how i can figure out when the ruby package was updated last? |
| 14:55.00 | kneet | Depends what you mean by sidebar I guess |
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| 14:55.11 | scanwinder | kneet: i mean like google desktop |
| 14:55.13 | xal | i believe the latest version is butchered and i need to talk to its maintainer |
| 14:55.19 | xal | this is for stable |
| 14:55.22 | kneet | Never seen google desktop - isn't that on windows? |
| 14:55.27 | lestest | hi there ... what module should I load for an external scsi tape? |
| 14:55.31 | scanwinder | kneet: yep |
| 14:55.35 | SimonRaven | it indexes ~/ and then it's supposedly makes things faster.... i don't see what was wrong with updatedb/locate |
| 14:55.39 | scanwinder | kneet: i want something similar for linux tho |
| 14:55.40 | l3m | well i know almost nothing about udev as well as hotplug, but my systems still works fine so i don't really care ;) |
| 14:55.54 | kneet | SimonRaven, with inotify it supports hot update too |
| 14:55.59 | scanwinder | kneet: kinda like longhorn sidebar.........or vista sidebar.... |
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| 14:56.16 | amphi | l3m: that's reassuring ;) |
| 14:56.22 | asg | lestest: st iirc |
| 14:56.24 | kneet | scanwinder, dont have windows - so I've not seen them |
| 14:56.29 | SimonRaven | i doubt any sane linux user would want some foreign entity installing spyware ... |
| 14:56.43 | ChristianP | thanks SimonRaven now all was ok |
| 14:56.49 | lestest | asg which device should I access then |
| 14:56.54 | ealm | where can I find .deb mdb drivers for Kexi? |
| 14:57.00 | SimonRaven | scanwinder: we don't know what you're talking about |
| 14:57.01 | stew | xal: according to changelogs.debian.net/ruby-defaults it was last uploaded in January |
| 14:57.01 | asg | lestest: look at dmesg afterwards, it should tell you |
| 14:57.30 | scanwinder | kneet, SimonRaven, http://desktop.google.com/ |
| 14:57.42 | lestest | dmesg is empty |
| 14:57.46 | tralala | ealm: on google |
| 14:57.51 | SimonRaven | ChristianP: edit root's bash_profile so the PATH is correct, but just add the stuff after '$PATH' including the colon (:) |
| 14:57.56 | ealm | trlalala: I couldnt |
| 14:58.06 | ealm | ..tralala I mean |
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| 14:58.15 | xal | stew: thanks |
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| 14:58.26 | SimonRaven | scanwinder: that's the only thing i do know what you're talking about, and that's the thing i was calling spyware |
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| 14:58.48 | tralala | ealm: so either you didn't try hard enough or there isn't any |
| 14:58.49 | stew | xal: check bugs.debian.org/ruby for whatever problem you are having |
| 14:58.52 | SimonRaven | ChristianP: err, .bash_profile |
| 14:59.04 | scanwinder | SimonRaven: so you dont know anything like that for linux(hopefully minus the spyware bit:P) |
| 14:59.20 | ealm | tralala: so you mean that if they aren't on google, they can't be at all? |
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| 14:59.32 | SimonRaven | beagle does some of it, with the searching |
| 14:59.36 | lestest | asg: dmesg doesn't seems to care |
| 14:59.52 | ealm | tralala: I have foun packages at apt-get.org that didn't show up in google... unforunately apt |
| 14:59.58 | Wanderer | anyone know a good skype compatible client for Linux? |
| 15:00.01 | scanwinder | SimonRaven: perhaps i could write something in html to do it? |
| 15:00.07 | ealm | ..unfortunately apt-get.orgs database is down atm |
| 15:00.09 | SimonRaven | there's also kat, but it's not in debian yet (for the kde users ..) |
| 15:00.13 | Wanderer | perferably maintained in a package? |
| 15:00.15 | stew | Wanderer: there is one, its called "skype" |
| 15:00.16 | abrotman | Wanderer: skype ? .. |
| 15:00.27 | abrotman | jinx .. you owe me a beer! |
| 15:00.37 | asg | lestest: did you 'modprobe st'? Does 'dmesg' print anything about the kernel driver loading? |
| 15:01.13 | Wanderer | abrotman: apt-cache search skype came back null, thus the question |
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| 15:01.18 | lestest | asg nothing printed by dmesg the module was loaded correctly |
| 15:01.21 | xal | stew: i believe this package is the problem: http://packages.debian.org/stable/interpreters/ruby1.8 |
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| 15:01.34 | xal | stew: but i can't tell when it was updated. my guess is last night though |
| 15:01.42 | Wanderer | thus why I'm looking for one in a maintained package that I can keep up to date easily and not forget about |
| 15:01.49 | stew | Wanderer: skype is not free software, so it is not in debian, they, however provide .debs |
| 15:01.51 | SimonRaven | scanwinder: would probably be safer, you can just run it locally, not attach it to any routable ip, and allow only the lan access to it via some creative apache configuring |
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| 15:02.29 | asg | lestest: does mt -f /dev/st0 status print anything? |
| 15:02.41 | stew | xal: yeah, hmm i didn't realize that ruby1.8 and ruby would be in separate source packages |
| 15:02.50 | scanwinder | SimonRaven: why does the lan need to be able to access it? its only for one computer............i just need a search engine in it...and email..and....well ill make it how i want it |
| 15:02.54 | Wanderer | stew: do you know off hand if it does "update detection" so I'll be reminded to keep it current |
| 15:02.58 | stew | xal: and yes, it looks like there was a recent update to ruby1.8 |
| 15:03.11 | xal | stew: as is, ruby is totally nonfunctional |
| 15:03.18 | SimonRaven | scanwinder: so do it that way then :) |
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| 15:03.27 | stew | xal: check the bts, there may be a work around |
| 15:03.28 | xal | i setup a completely new debian machine to verify |
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| 15:03.30 | kneet | What on earth - flash movie playing. Right click - all I get is two menu options "Moo" and "File bug". |
| 15:03.40 | xal | whats the bts? |
| 15:03.44 | stew | xal: or apt-get install ruby1.8=oldversion where oldversion is the version you had yesterday |
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| 15:03.46 | asg | kneet: what happens if you click 'Moo'? |
| 15:03.47 | stew | xal: /msg dpkg bts |
| 15:03.49 | SimonRaven | @bts |
| 15:03.51 | ravenbird | the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try <http://bugs.debian.org/packagename>. Anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug. reportbug also has querybts in it; 'querybts <bug number>' or 'querybts <package name>' |
| 15:03.58 | kneet | asg, sadly nothing |
| 15:04.08 | SimonRaven | kneet: kill it now! kill now! |
| 15:04.14 | xal | stew: alright, i still should tell the maintainer. do you know who that is? |
| 15:04.19 | stew | Wanderer: I have no idea, see if they provide a repository, (like some "deb http://skype.com/debian stable" line you can put in sources.list) |
| 15:04.28 | SimonRaven | !maint ruby1.8 |
| 15:04.31 | stew | xal: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 15:04.34 | dpkg | ruby1.8: akira yamada <akira@debian.org> |
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| 15:04.58 | stew | xal: don't mail the maintainer directly, use reportbug |
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| 15:05.17 | SimonRaven | yeh, better. issue tracking is nice ;) |
| 15:05.28 | stew | xal: the maintainer isn't the one that uploaded this package anyway, it was the security team that did |
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| 15:05.34 | xal | stew: alright, thanks for the help |
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| 15:06.04 | kneet | Might have found it - I have both flash and swf-player installed |
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| 15:07.27 | kneet | Yep - was swf-player |
| 15:07.41 | xal | stew: is there a way to see available versions of a package so that i know what to target with apt-get install ruby-1.8=? |
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| 15:08.24 | Siba | SimonRaven: there is a process that is running in the background which runs everytime when I try to run apt-get install <packagename>. Want to get rid of it. And on the other hand when I tried install mysql-server, it says "error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)'. I am following http://www.howtoforge.com/howto_linux_debian_server_setup_p5 |
| 15:08.35 | rasputnik | is there a standard place to stick your iptables ruleset in sarge? |
| 15:08.36 | stew | xal: if the current version is 1.8.2-7sarge2, the only possible versions in stable are 1.8.2-7sarge1 and 1.8.2-7, the sargeN versions are security updates to the original 1.8.2-7 package that was released with sarge |
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| 15:08.37 | ircdevil | hmmm mc hangs when i try to start it in a dir with lots of files. |
| 15:08.51 | ircdevil | so sloooow |
| 15:08.59 | asg | ircdevil: define 'lots of files' |
| 15:09.11 | coreyo | My xlibmesa-gl package keeps returning an error "./usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2 : No such file or directory". I think that there is not supposed to be a dot at the front of the filepath. In the meantime I can't install or update packages until this is fixed. Any suggestions? |
| 15:09.12 | stew | and does it hang or is it just slow? |
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| 15:09.35 | asg | coreyo: what debian version? |
| 15:09.41 | stew | coreyo: what do you mean by "package returning"? |
| 15:09.44 | ircdevil | asg: heh 996 |
| 15:09.47 | SimonRaven | Siba: don't kill anything - run top, see what it is. i'm suspecting it's just dpkg or dpkg-deb |
| 15:09.51 | ircdevil | asg: and subdirs as well |
| 15:10.00 | asg | ircdevil: oh, that's not too bad but will cause slowdown on ext3 filesystems |
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| 15:10.20 | saik0 | Does anybody know how to make powernowd scale differently based on whether or not it's plugged in |
| 15:10.38 | bakr | hello, i can't get my sound working ... I have a plug & play thingy named: opl3-sax sound board.... can someone help me? |
| 15:10.49 | saik0 | I want it to scale up for 'nice'd programs when plugged in |
| 15:10.52 | ircdevil | asg: 30000 files in all |
| 15:10.53 | asg | bakr: /msg dpkg audio |
| 15:10.57 | SimonRaven | Siba: fix it later (the mysqld socket). you can try restarting it a couple of times (/etc/init.d/mysql restart) |
| 15:11.03 | asg | ircdevil: that'll do it |
| 15:11.07 | bakr | thnx will try that |
| 15:11.34 | rasputnik | ha, s'ok , I found: http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 15:12.21 | bakr | :-/ doesn't word for me... |
| 15:12.24 | coreyo | asg: stew: I think that it's the postinstall script in the package. I'm using testing, but the unstable package is doing the same thing. |
| 15:13.03 | tralala | bakr: /msg dpkg doesn't work |
| 15:13.12 | asg | coreyo: if it's the postinst, try editing it to fix the bug |
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| 15:13.23 | asg | !audio |
| 15:13.24 | dpkg | To configure sound in Debian *Woody*: first, use modconf to load your driver. Then add yourself to the audio group (adduser username audio) and logout and back in, or use sg command. If you use ISA PnP and 2.2.x, ask me about "isapnp sound". If you don't know what driver to use, use "lspci -v" and "pnpdump". Install a mixer (e.g. aumix) and make sure the volume is not set to zero in software. If you have no modules, ask me about "idepci". |
| 15:13.30 | asg | tralala: works perfectly fine here |
| 15:13.33 | stew | coreyo: what exactly is the problem you are having? |
| 15:14.25 | tralala | woody?!? Ahhh, I remember now... once upon a time there was a debian release called woody. |
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| 15:14.45 | coreyo | stew: I can't get the package to install |
| 15:14.47 | xal | is there a way to tell all packages which are installed which are *newer* then whats in the repositories you target? |
| 15:14.55 | coreyo | (Reading database ... 119385 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 15:14.55 | coreyo | Preparing to replace xlibmesa-gl 6.8.2.dfsg.1-6 (using .../xlibmesa-gl_6.8.2.dfsg.1-7_i386.deb) ... |
| 15:14.55 | coreyo | Unpacking replacement xlibmesa-gl ... |
| 15:14.55 | coreyo | dpkg: error processing /home/coreyo/xlibmesa-gl_6.8.2.dfsg.1-7_i386.deb (--install): |
| 15:14.56 | coreyo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:15.05 | lestest | asg /dev/st0: No such device |
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| 15:15.21 | coreyo | ick, sorry to flood |
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| 15:15.37 | stew | coreyo: you should definately have a ./usr/X11R6/lib directory |
| 15:15.44 | asg | lestest: are you using udev? |
| 15:16.01 | stew | coreyo: the relative path in there is not a problem, the files are untarred in root |
| 15:16.03 | l3m | coreyo: hmm ./ not / |
| 15:16.12 | coreyo | stew: oh, it's there, as is the libGL file. I think that the dot in front of it is the problem |
| 15:16.12 | stew | l3m: no, that is correct |
| 15:16.23 | stew | coreyo: its not |
| 15:16.43 | l3m | stew: if you say so ;) |
| 15:16.57 | coreyo | /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2 is definitely there |
| 15:17.25 | stew | coreyo: have you checked the bts? |
| 15:17.36 | stew | coreyo: tons of people have installed this package without a problem (including me) |
| 15:17.43 | saik0 | I dont think powernowd cares abour battery status. Is there a way to run a command when you plug/unplug a laptop? |
| 15:17.45 | coreyo | bts ? |
| 15:17.50 | stew | coreyo: /msg dpkg bts |
| 15:18.11 | asg | saik0: look at /etc/acpi/events and /etc/acpi/actions |
| 15:18.20 | saik0 | asg, thanks |
| 15:18.21 | coreyo | oh... that was the first place that I looked |
| 15:18.40 | coreyo | packages.debian.org, then went to known bugs |
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| 15:18.50 | coreyo | saw lots of bugs, but none about the installer |
| 15:18.56 | yang__ | When I want to install new package I get error WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! ; I did apt-get update before (shows some errors) http://pastebin.com/416005 |
| 15:19.01 | xal | ok, i need a list of all packages which don't match the latest apt-get cache. whats the best way to get that? |
| 15:19.11 | asg | yang__: /topic |
| 15:19.17 | stew | coreyo: it would be wrong for those paths to be absolute. you almost never would want absolute paths in a tarbal |
| 15:20.10 | [machine] | yang: re |
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| 15:20.54 | stew | coreyo: do you have a /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2? |
| 15:21.00 | stew | oh, nm |
| 15:21.19 | coreyo | stew: yes, I've said that twice |
| 15:21.33 | coreyo | which is why I was wondering about the dot |
| 15:21.46 | bakr | installed aumix and now i'm getting an error: Error while initializing the sound driver: device: default can't be opened for playback (No such device) The sound server will contineu, using the null output device..... Anyone? |
| 15:21.50 | stew | coreyo: the dot is definately correct |
| 15:21.51 | yang__ | [machine]: Hello Tim ! |
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| 15:22.13 | yang__ | asg: so i should add deb http://secure-testing.debian.net/debian-secure-testing etch/security-updates main contrib non-free ; and replace etch line with "sid" ? |
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| 15:22.37 | asg | yang__: er, no. You are using sid. So /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 15:22.39 | coreyo | would this conflict with the ati drivers? |
| 15:22.43 | stew | yang__: there are no security updates for sid |
| 15:23.02 | Zvpun | is there a tool that calculates mean value, standard deviation, ... on the command line? |
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| 15:23.20 | SimonRaven | bc? |
| 15:23.21 | asg | Zvpun: bc |
| 15:23.22 | tralala | Zvpun: bc, dc? |
| 15:23.35 | tralala | !win SimonRaven |
| 15:23.36 | bakr | installed aumix and now i'm getting an error: Error while initializing the sound driver: device: default can't be opened for playback (No such device) The sound server will contineu, using the null output device..... Anyone? |
| 15:23.36 | Mage\work | what is "standard deviation" ? |
| 15:23.37 | dpkg | Congratulations, SimonRaven! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 15:23.43 | SimonRaven | ac, dc? |
| 15:23.44 | Siba | SimonRaven: the several mysql restart does not seem to work |
| 15:23.52 | yang__ | [machine]: What´s ne in London ? |
| 15:24.14 | tralala | bakr: did you put yourself in the audio group? |
| 15:24.15 | Zvpun | can they do it for large data sets? (10000 values) |
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| 15:24.24 | SimonRaven | Siba: ok. chances are it is running anyway. does pidof mysqld spit out anything? |
| 15:24.48 | xal | i took the security deb source out of my sources-list. is there a way to "downgrade" my system now and get rid of all the security updates |
| 15:24.51 | xal | ? |
| 15:25.03 | bakr | think so.... how can i see that? ( using kde ) |
| 15:25.11 | asg | xal: just install the old one from snapshot.debian.net |
| 15:25.19 | Siba | nothing out of pidof mysqld |
| 15:25.26 | xal | er, that sounds really drastic |
| 15:25.47 | asg | xal: no, just grab the deb, dpkg -i <deb> |
| 15:25.53 | stew | xal: not an easy automated way. youd have to apt-cache policy on each package and see which have a newer Installed: than Candidate: |
| 15:26.03 | tralala | bakr: you start a konsole and type there groups |
| 15:26.04 | asg | xal: removing all security updates sounds drastic, downgrading a single package is not |
| 15:26.20 | stew | asg: he shouldn't need sdn, all the old packages are still apt-gettable from main |
| 15:26.21 | Wanderer | Can someone tell me how to get kde to start a program when I start kde as myself, not a root init script? Not finding anything in the control center |
| 15:26.27 | Wanderer | debian-kde is idle also |
| 15:26.37 | asg | stew: ah, okay |
| 15:26.42 | bakr | tralala: it sais root ? |
| 15:26.46 | stew | xal: removing all the security updates to your system is not smart |
| 15:26.54 | tralala | bakr: are you running kde as root? |
| 15:27.36 | bakr | tralala: no i using konsole in root .... but i will see the normal now.. |
| 15:27.39 | xal | stew: nod, but its for scientific purposes. i downgraded ruby1.8 and libruby1.8 to non security updated versions but this didn't fix my problem. now i want to somehow see what else is newer then it should without the security updates |
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| 15:28.09 | bakr | tralala: well i'm in all groups? ... including audio |
| 15:28.09 | tralala | bakr: I can see that you need a bit of reading - http://www.debian.org/doc/ |
| 15:28.15 | Frodus | Anyone know a pdf viewer that has keybindings (keyboard controlled) ? |
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| 15:28.44 | asg | Frodus: pdf2txt foo.pdf | less |
| 15:28.56 | tralala | !tell bakr -about debian alsa howto (I hope you're using linux 2.6) |
| 15:29.09 | tralala | !tell bakr -about debian alsa howto |
| 15:29.10 | Frodus | asg: heh |
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| 15:29.36 | asg | Frodus: or rather pdf2ps foo | ps2ascii | less |
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| 15:29.55 | asg | Frodus: most pdf viewers support left arrow, right arrow, pgup, pgdown at least |
| 15:29.59 | rasputnik | Frodus: how much control do you want? kpdf lets hit 'new page' and full-screen - what else is there ? |
| 15:30.08 | tralala | or even ps2ascii < file.pdf | less |
| 15:30.12 | Siba | SimonRaven: nothing out of the pidof mysqld |
| 15:30.22 | stew | !forget debian alsa howto |
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| 15:30.23 | dpkg | i forgot debian alsa howto, stew |
| 15:30.28 | stew | that factoid was horrible |
| 15:30.34 | stew | !tell bakr about alsa one-liner |
| 15:30.36 | bakr | tralala: thanks ... but i'm not sure what kernell i'm using... i'm new to this got it about 1 week for now... |
| 15:30.49 | stew | bakr: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 15:31.00 | stew | bakr: you didn't want to follow that howto anyway |
| 15:31.13 | SimonRaven | Siba: see your syslog as to why it's crashing |
| 15:31.15 | bakr | 2.4 |
| 15:31.20 | stew | bakr: thats not linux then |
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| 15:31.24 | Zvpun | is there a tool that calculates mean value, standard deviation, ... on the command line? I have a data file with 10000 lines (x_i). I would like to use something already existing and not coding standard deviations, ... |
| 15:31.39 | bakr | stew: how you mean? |
| 15:31.45 | rondinelli | ola |
| 15:31.51 | bbrazil | Zvpun: look at R |
| 15:31.53 | stew | bakr: if "uname -r" returns "2.4" you must not be running linux |
| 15:32.18 | Frodus | rasputnik: I want not to use nothing designed for the retarded windows clone desktop called KDE |
| 15:32.23 | bakr | stew: Wel how comes that i'm running debian with kde? :S |
| 15:32.33 | stew | bakr: dunno, what does "uname -a" say? |
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| 15:32.42 | rasputnik | Frodus: haha |
| 15:32.55 | bakr | stew: Linux debian 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Mon May 16 16:47:51 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 15:33.06 | Frodus | NetBSD blackhole.hvc.rr.com 2.0.3_STABLE NetBSD 2.0.3_STABLE (dodecahedron) #11: Mon Oct 31 21:00:51 EST 2005 root@blackhole.hvc.rr.com:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/dodecahedron i386 |
| 15:33.07 | Yopyop | stew, uname -r just give you name dude choose when he compile kernel |
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| 15:33.08 | stew | bakr: then you lied, uname -r must have said 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 15:33.20 | stew | Yopyop: he didn't compile the kernel |
| 15:33.21 | bbrazil | Zvpun: or code it in awk :) |
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| 15:33.27 | stew | bakr: /msg dpkg 2.4 alsa one-liner |
| 15:33.29 | bakr | stew: yes it did.... sorry... |
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| 15:34.18 | abrotman | Frodus: xpdf/gpdf/kpdf ... not sure what else there is |
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| 15:34.40 | gypsymauro | hello |
| 15:34.48 | Frodus | asg: I'll try the latter |
| 15:34.54 | bakr | stew: that dpkg 2.4 alsa one-liner gives me the help |
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| 15:35.11 | gypsymauro | someone uses vpnc? I can't create a default route over my LAN route |
| 15:35.13 | Anthro | Frodus: gv can view PDF, though I don't know what you mean by keybindings. |
| 15:35.30 | daedric | abrotman Acrobat Reader for *nix |
| 15:35.34 | tralala | lastlog debian.org/doc |
| 15:35.38 | bakr | stew: dpkg: need an action option |
| 15:35.48 | abrotman | daedric: it's non-free .. with a vengence :) |
| 15:35.50 | tralala | bakr: consider reading http://www.debian.org/doc/ |
| 15:35.52 | stew | !2.4 alsa one-liner is also after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels |
| 15:35.53 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 15:35.58 | stew | !alsa one-liner is also after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels |
| 15:35.59 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 15:36.14 | daedric | abrotman non open... but free IIRC |
| 15:36.20 | abrotman | free beer ..y es |
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| 15:36.28 | abrotman | but the free ones work just as well |
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| 15:36.55 | stew | daedric: free around here refers to the dfsg, /msg dpkg dfsg |
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| 15:37.23 | bakr | stew: where can i find al those things..... i'm realy I newby i barely know something about this linux debian things..... |
| 15:37.28 | rasputnik | daedric: it's not worth having |
| 15:37.46 | daedric | thats opinions... |
| 15:37.54 | daedric | anyone has one... |
| 15:38.00 | rasputnik | daedric: well obviously :) |
| 15:38.14 | abrotman | too bad yours is wrong |
| 15:38.29 | daedric | jesus.... |
| 15:38.32 | daedric | wrong? |
| 15:38.34 | Frodus | asg: horrible dumb idea |
| 15:38.35 | daedric | define wrong? |
| 15:38.43 | daedric | how can i have a WRONG opinion? |
| 15:38.52 | daedric | on what basis? |
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| 15:39.05 | tralala | !comfort daedric |
| 15:39.06 | dpkg | There, there, daedric. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 15:39.27 | rasputnik | daedric: easily. if you think the sky is green, you're wrong |
| 15:39.38 | OldakQuill | Anyone had problems with application/octet-stream MIMEs before? |
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| 15:39.55 | rasputnik | OldakQuill: yeah, kde seems to cry about them a lot |
| 15:39.56 | SimonRaven | and there's utils now to edit pdf forms, edit pdfs etc. WTF needs acrobat? |
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| 15:40.06 | tralala | !tell OldakQuill -about ask |
| 15:40.07 | asg | Frodus: what is? |
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| 15:40.13 | Frodus | asg: Your suggestion |
| 15:40.15 | OldakQuill | THanks tralala |
| 15:40.17 | daedric | rasputnik well... i don't know exactly where you're from... but around here... the sky goes from blue, to red, to pink, to gray, and a slight tone of green on the right conditions.. but i'm wrong obviously... :) |
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| 15:40.25 | OldakQuill | :) |
| 15:40.35 | bakr | well i wil try some things on that docs and so.... if it doesn't turn out to be good i will come back :) |
| 15:40.37 | tralala | OldakQuill: my pleasure |
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| 15:40.42 | asg | Frodus: why, similar to 'antiword foo |less' which I use all the time. |
| 15:40.51 | rasputnik | Frodus: are you tab-completing the wrong nicks, or do you have multiple personality disorder |
| 15:40.58 | SupaRic3 | Hello, I need some help with setting up wireless. Anyone ever set up FakeAP in Debian? |
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| 15:41.19 | OldakQuill | I am trying to open a PDF but kpdf and KGhostView both refuse to open it citing "MIME type application/octet-stream" not understood. I know the pdf is fine, I have opened it using acrobat before |
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| 15:41.34 | OldakQuill | Anyone got any remedies? |
| 15:41.34 | rasputnik | OldakQuill: yeah, that's just kde being kde. |
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| 15:41.58 | daedric | OldakQuill i can't be sure.. but perhaps there exists diferent PDF versions... |
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| 15:42.07 | Frodus | asg: I found keybindings for the ghostview (gv) with "info gv" anyway forget it -- gv will work fine |
| 15:42.09 | tralala | OldakQuill: how are you trying to open it? From konqueror? |
| 15:42.18 | daedric | Acrobat Maker is updated regularly.. i don't know if Adobe didn't enhanced the format |
| 15:42.22 | rasputnik | daedric: you're obsessed boy! :D |
| 15:42.23 | asg | Frodus: *nod* |
| 15:42.24 | Frodus | rasputnik: Forget I found the solution |
| 15:42.29 | OldakQuill | At first from FireFox then I simply saved it and had a go myself |
| 15:42.32 | SimonRaven | !tell ArSeN[aWaY] -about awy |
| 15:42.38 | SimonRaven | !tell ArSeN[aWaY] -about away |
| 15:42.44 | daedric | rasputnik yes i am. :D |
| 15:42.51 | daedric | i'll calm down :D |
| 15:42.57 | Frodus | rasputnik: I always find the solution myself to everything like right after I ask a question. I'm seriously just going to stop asking questions because it's pointless socialization |
| 15:43.00 | SimonRaven | @fuck acrobat and adobe |
| 15:43.06 | SupaRic3 | Or does anyone have suggestions on getting a Linksys card to work? |
| 15:43.29 | tralala | OldakQuill: either you're doing something wrong or the pdf is damaged |
| 15:43.33 | rasputnik | surely someone here using iptables on sarge? where does the config go? |
| 15:43.39 | SimonRaven | Frodus: or just do the socialisation part |
| 15:43.40 | tralala | try to wget it and run file over it |
| 15:43.54 | OldakQuill | Ok, I'll give that a go |
| 15:43.56 | rasputnik | tralala: he did say it opens ok in other readers |
| 15:43.59 | Frodus | SimonRaven: Somthing like that but I do too much of that allready on internet forums |
| 15:44.02 | Frodus | :P |
| 15:44.07 | daedric | SimonRaven oh yeah... fuck'em... what would you do without them... oh yeah... |
| 15:44.16 | tralala | rasputnik: I remember. |
| 15:44.24 | SimonRaven | daedric: everything |
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| 15:44.42 | SimonRaven | i don't use adobe shite |
| 15:44.49 | syn\ack | hi |
| 15:45.27 | SimonRaven | "Lost terminal" -> when you're not running irssi in screen |
| 15:45.28 | daedric | SimonRaven why? |
| 15:45.39 | lac | OldalQuill it may be that your file has inside it something that says it is type octet-stream and not pdf. Sometimes with other apps, renaming the file to whatever.pdf has helped. Sometimes I could find the bits that said octet-stream and changed them to pdf. |
| 15:45.44 | SimonRaven | because i don't need to, nor do i want to. simple. |
| 15:45.47 | Frodus | Anthro: "keybindings" is self explainatory |
| 15:46.03 | SimonRaven | i don't need to justify this |
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| 15:46.09 | Anthro | Frodus: It depends on what you want to be able to do from a keyboard. |
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| 15:46.13 | daedric | SimonRaven and if you receive a doc... say.. a mobo manual.. in pdf... what will you do? |
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| 15:46.31 | Anthro | SimonRaven: Do you consider PDF itself to be Adobe shite? How about PostScript? |
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| 15:46.41 | Frodus | Anthro: You're trying to complicate a simple concept |
| 15:46.48 | SimonRaven | open it in xpdf, or convert it to text, or html, or ... |
| 15:46.53 | Anthro | Frodus: Fine. Use gv. See if it suits your needs. |
| 15:46.58 | Mage\work | xpdf is ugly |
| 15:46.59 | jades | where can i find cool desktop images? |
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| 15:47.03 | rasputnik | Frodus: they all have keybindings. which ones do you want? |
| 15:47.09 | daedric | SimonRaven text... a mobo with screenshots... in text... |
| 15:47.16 | Mage\work | gpdf sux |
| 15:47.23 | Mage\work | and evince is damn slow |
| 15:47.31 | daedric | but... YOURE USING ADOBE SHIT!!! DO YOU REALISE THAT?? |
| 15:47.32 | Siba | SimonRaven: The problem persists with mysql restart, says could not connect /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' |
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| 15:47.49 | rasputnik | Siba: does that file exist? |
| 15:47.58 | SimonRaven | Anthro: they're open specs. yes i know adobe wrote the specs, doesn't mean i have to use their software to read documents written in those specs |
| 15:48.02 | Mage\work | I use acroread for pdf ... (I know it's not free ..) |
| 15:48.04 | licued | heya, I'm having a crazy hard time setting up a Debian router, does anyone think they could help me ? |
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| 15:48.16 | Bunney | hey! |
| 15:48.17 | daedric | SimonRaven i don't care... you use adobe shit... admit it... |
| 15:48.18 | licued | I've done tons of stuff, setup forwarding ( i think correctly), but still have little luck |
| 15:48.21 | OldakQuill | Huh, it worked straight off in xpdf |
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| 15:48.41 | Anthro | SimonRaven: Okay, just checking. |
| 15:48.44 | Bunney | Could someone please tell me, what is the exactly command, to add an ip address to a debian-servers network card? Sorry vor newbienes :/ |
| 15:48.48 | OldakQuill | Thanks guys for your help |
| 15:49.04 | mtnman | bunny: ifconfig. man ifconfig for details |
| 15:49.04 | Mage\work | Bunney: ifconfig |
| 15:49.10 | amphi | Bunney: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:49.13 | rasputnik | Bunney: ifcongig. man interfaces for the automatic stuff |
| 15:49.16 | Siba | rasputnik, need to check |
| 15:49.19 | SimonRaven | Delgul_at_work: if you'd read what i said, you wouldn't be yelling at me |
| 15:49.20 | rasputnik | s/congig/config/ |
| 15:49.21 | Bunney | oO |
| 15:49.25 | SimonRaven | Delgul_at_work: sorry |
| 15:49.26 | Bunney | thanks |
| 15:49.27 | lac | I want to install my alsa sound system to have sequencing on. http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=Quick+Install leads me to believe that I have to build this kernel myself. Correct? |
| 15:49.28 | licued | the Debian box itself can reach the outside world, and it can ping all the internal address (the computers behind the Debian box), but the boxes can't reach the outside world, even though the Debian box itself can |
| 15:49.46 | SimonRaven | daedric: if you'd read what i said, you wouldn't be yelling at me |
| 15:49.53 | rasputnik | licued: have you set it to forward packets? |
| 15:49.54 | Blaamann | I am having trouble with etch. X want start. How can I reconfigure X (xorg) from the command line ? And also do I need hotplug to enable my USB mouse, because it does not work anymore ? |
| 15:49.58 | licued | rasputnik, yes |
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| 15:50.20 | stew | lac: or just apt-get a 2.6 kernel. what cpu do you have and what version of debian are you running? |
| 15:50.22 | OldakQuill | Has anyone tried xebian (for XBox)? |
| 15:50.25 | daedric | SimonRaven you wouldn't be calling .. and i quote... "adobe shit" something you use... either with adobe's programs or not. |
| 15:50.26 | rasputnik | licued: do the boxes inside have public ips? |
| 15:50.27 | Siba | rasutnik: that file is no more there. How to create one? |
| 15:50.31 | SupaRic3 | Is this the place to get help with my wireless setup? |
| 15:50.32 | stew | lac: or you can just apt-get the alsa modules for 2.4 |
| 15:50.37 | licued | rasputnik: yes |
| 15:50.46 | daedric | respect it SimonRaven ... PDF is still probably the most used DOC format in the internet. |
| 15:50.50 | Siba | rasputnik: Or there is a specific way to do? |
| 15:50.54 | SimonRaven | Siba: the mysqld should be creating it when it starts up |
| 15:50.55 | rasputnik | licued: cool. have they got the debian box set as there default gateway |
| 15:51.09 | licued | rasputnik: yes, and they can ping it as well |
| 15:51.12 | OldakQuill | I wonder how well OpenDocument will do in taking over |
| 15:51.13 | rasputnik | Siba: that's why you're getting the error. |
| 15:51.35 | SimonRaven | daedric: i don't like it. i'll use it when i have to, and it beats printing stuff to paper, but i don't have to like it |
| 15:51.36 | Siba | SimonRaven: I tried to restart again and again and also used force-reload option but didn't work |
| 15:51.47 | OldakQuill | I think the EU wants to begin officially used OpenDocument |
| 15:51.56 | stew | lac: that document is full of problems for a debian system |
| 15:51.59 | rasputnik | licued: firewall enabled? |
| 15:52.09 | licued | rasputnik: only forwarding |
| 15:52.17 | lac | stew: suggestions as to what I should be reading instead? |
| 15:52.18 | licued | rasputnik: everything else is on ACCEPT |
| 15:52.35 | stew | lac: what version of debian do you use, and what cpu do you have? |
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| 15:52.44 | rasputnik | licued: ah hang on when you say forwarding, you mean forwarding? not NAT (ip masquerade) |
| 15:52.47 | SimonRaven | daedric: obviously you do, and that's your business |
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| 15:53.00 | licued | rasputnik: correct |
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| 15:53.18 | rasputnik | licued: pfft. then it should work :) |
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| 15:53.22 | licued | rasputnik: there's no NAT invovled, it's all public IP's |
| 15:53.38 | licued | rasputnik: I know man , this shit is out of control, i've tried everything man, everything I can possibly think of |
| 15:53.41 | rasputnik | licued: yeah, just checking. can you traceroute out? |
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| 15:53.57 | licued | rasputnik: I can traceroute, but it only gets to the Debian box |
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| 15:54.05 | SimonRaven | have fun folks |
| 15:54.10 | asg | SimonRaven: see ya |
| 15:54.12 | rasputnik | cheers |
| 15:54.13 | lac | stew: I have an IBM thinkjet x40 laptop. I have never been successful at getting the wireless to work with any kernel later than 2.6.8-1-686 though I stopped at .11 or so. I would love to be running a more modern kernel, if only my wireless would work, ideally unstable. |
| 15:54.31 | licued | rasputnik: so the packets are getting to the Debian Box, but then it looks like the Debian Box dosen't know what to do witht ehm |
| 15:54.32 | rasputnik | licued: sounds like forwarding isn't on doesn't it. |
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| 15:54.39 | stew | lac: that has an ipw2200? |
| 15:54.43 | licued | rasputnik: do you think you could help me with that? |
| 15:54.45 | lac | stew: yes |
| 15:54.48 | marcot | What is the debian package with the firefox dev files? |
| 15:54.56 | marcot | There's no mozilla-firefox-dev |
| 15:55.01 | rasputnik | licued: nope. i'm bsd until about a month ago. |
| 15:55.05 | stew | lac: and you currently are on etch or unstable? |
| 15:55.15 | licued | rasputnik: shit |
| 15:55.48 | OldakQuill | lac: I am on a Thinkpad T41 and have never been successful in getting wireless working |
| 15:55.57 | rasputnik | licued: run 'sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward |
| 15:55.59 | licued | does anyone think they c an help me setup IP Forwarding w/ Debian? I've read a lot of tuts and whatnot, but there must be something I'm doing wrong |
| 15:56.00 | stew | OldakQuill: /msg dpkg ipw2200 |
| 15:56.12 | licued | net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 |
| 15:56.21 | rasputnik | licued: damn. |
| 15:56.26 | rasputnik | licued: netmask? |
| 15:56.42 | stew | lac: apt-get install ipw2200-source module-assistant linux-image-2.6.12-1-686 linux-headers-2.6.12-1-686 alsa-utils alsa-base ; reboot ; run m-a prepare ; m-a a-i ipw2200 ; alsaconf |
| 15:56.43 | Ford-Prefect | ok... after alot of googling and all deadends saying the same thing that didn't make it for me I will have to ask out loud... feel free to redirect me to some place where I might get the answer: |
| 15:56.49 | licued | rasputnik: inside = /26 , outside = /25 |
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| 15:57.03 | stew | lac: but to answer your original question, you shouldn't need to do anything to get alsa in your kernel you already have it |
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| 15:57.09 | stew | lac: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 15:57.09 | Ford-Prefect | I've downloaded a new kernel from kernel.org and I get this problem at step 1 of installing it: make: *** No rule to make target `menuconfig'. Stop. |
| 15:57.09 | rasputnik | licued: it's not that anyway, not if the backenh boxes are forwarding to the gateway |
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| 15:57.42 | Ford-Prefect | I have installed the latest libncurses |
| 15:57.47 | licued | rasputnik: i've spent over 20 hours on this, I have no clue what the fsk to do |
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| 15:57.56 | stew | Ford-Prefect: libncurses5-dev |
| 15:58.00 | lac | stew: my kernel has alsa, yes. but it did not make /dev/sequencer |
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| 15:58.09 | licued | rasputnik: I formated the HD's, reinstalled Debian, put in 2 brand new NIC cards, swapped around PCI slots, tried everything man |
| 15:58.13 | lac | stew: I think that is a kernel compile option |
| 15:58.16 | stew | lac: do you run udev |
| 15:58.17 | licued | rasputnik: I must be doing something wrong |
| 15:58.20 | Ford-Prefect | stew: installed it |
| 15:58.33 | Ford-Prefect | still a no go |
| 15:58.41 | rasputnik | licued: yeah. try switching off firewall, just to check? |
| 15:58.43 | lac | stew: I don't know what udev is, so I suppose not. |
| 15:58.53 | stew | Ford-Prefect: libncurses5-dev and build-essentials are the only packages you need to compile a vanilla kernel using menuconfig |
| 15:58.54 | licued | rasputnik: what firewall? iptables? |
| 15:59.01 | rasputnik | licued: yeah |
| 15:59.14 | licued | rasputnik: how do you do that? |
| 15:59.20 | lestest | asg: no udev |
| 15:59.22 | stew | lac: grep SEQUENCER /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 15:59.28 | OldakQuill | IT just complains that I have an unconfigured kernel source |
| 15:59.31 | Siba | rasputnik: how to overcome the could not connect problem? |
| 15:59.41 | asg | lestest: well, you might have to make the device (man MAKEDEV) |
| 15:59.43 | Siba | i mean the one to the mysqld |
| 15:59.44 | Siba | server |
| 15:59.46 | stew | lac: if you get an "=m" you have sequencer enabled in your current kernel, you might just need to modprobe |
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| 16:00.10 | lac | stew: CONFIG_SND_SEQUENCER=m, CONFIG_SND_SEQUENCER_OSS=y |
| 16:00.11 | rasputnik | licued: iptables -F (I think; check with 'iptables -L' before and after) |
| 16:00.12 | stew | lac: does "dpkg -l udev" return a line starting with "ii" or "hi" ? |
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| 16:00.21 | licued | rasputnik: yes I did that many times |
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| 16:00.23 | stew | lac: then your kenrel has alsa sequencer support |
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| 16:00.36 | licued | rasputnik: I've also tried setting up static forwarding entries with no luck |
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| 16:01.15 | lac | stew: ii udev 0.056-3 /dev/ management daemon |
| 16:01.20 | rasputnik | licued: where now, in the routing table? |
| 16:01.29 | licued | rasputnik: with iptables |
| 16:01.53 | rasputnik | licued: see, that's the bit that confuses me. you should'nt need any of that, just set the sysctl |
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| 16:02.04 | licued | rasputnik: exactly! |
| 16:02.10 | licued | rasputnik: It's making me SO pissed |
| 16:02.22 | rasputnik | licued: what I meant was iptables might be f*cking things up |
| 16:02.24 | lac | stew: I don |
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| 16:02.44 | lac | stew: I absolutely do not have a /dev/sequencer entry in teh /dev |
| 16:02.47 | stew | lac: ah so you are running udev and it looks like its on stable |
| 16:02.59 | licued | rasputnik: let me explain to you this too, when I change the ipaddress from one addres ...say .200....to .201 ... I will get icmp response for like 2 minutes...then it will just stop |
| 16:03.04 | stew | lac: it will probably be created when you modprobe the sequencer driver |
| 16:03.12 | licued | rasputnik: on the windows box behind the Debian box |
| 16:03.13 | lac | stew: and that is the problem because pygame tries to open it, and falls over on file not found. |
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| 16:03.39 | rasputnik | licued: oh shit windows is involved is it? all bets are off then. |
| 16:03.49 | stew | lac: try "modprobe snd-seq" |
| 16:03.57 | licued | rasputnik: well I have another Linux box that I've tried with no luck as well |
| 16:04.17 | rasputnik | licued: oh ok then. in that case dunno, sorry man |
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| 16:04.37 | lac | stew: BINGO! got them now. |
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| 16:04.51 | rasputnik | who runs iptables here? |
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| 16:04.54 | stew | lac: this will make it be there next reboot: echo "snd-seq" >> /etc/modules |
| 16:05.44 | stew | rasputnik: many many people, if you have a real question, ask it |
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| 16:06.16 | rasputnik | stew: where do you store your ruleset? |
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| 16:06.31 | stew | rasputnik: in /usr/local/sbin/firewall.sh |
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| 16:06.36 | ^jel | rasputnik: personally, I'd recommend forgetting IPTables, and using shorewall. |
| 16:06.39 | asg | rasputnik: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian.gz gives a number of examples |
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| 16:07.11 | rasputnik | stew: is that just a random file? I couldn't see iptables anywhere under /etc/init.d . |
| 16:07.24 | bloom | is there anyone currently working on packaging the CMU link grammar parser |
| 16:07.25 | lestest | thankz asg |
| 16:07.32 | lestest | but what device? |
| 16:07.40 | rasputnik | ^jel: I'm with you I think, this is taking way too long. |
| 16:07.55 | hawking | hi friends I have a laptop(Asus A3500E Intel® Centrino Pentium® M 1.73Ghz 512Mb 60Gb DVD+/-RW DL (8X) USB2.0 1394 FX56 Wireless G / LAN 15.0 TFT XGA c/ WEBCAM integrada (1.3Mp).) I have installed debian in it but the screen is not detected properly and the resolution really sucks..Can someone tell me the exact configuration I have to do? I have been googling but couldn't find anything |
| 16:07.56 | asg | rasputnik: policy for iptables changed with sarge. sarge and higher do not ship an /etc/init.d/iptables script by default. (one is in /usr/share/doc/iptables/examples if you want to use it though) |
| 16:08.08 | lac | stew: alas¸ my real problem is there as open /dev/sequencer: No such devicebad as before. The two line python program import pygame; pygame.init() does not run. |
| 16:08.17 | rasputnik | asg: THANK YOU. Thought I was going potty. |
| 16:08.23 | lac | stew: open /dev/sequencer: No such device |
| 16:08.23 | stew | rasputnik: that is a file i generated with fwbuilder, the iptables initscript was removed |
| 16:08.37 | stew | lac: try modprobe snd-seq-device |
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| 16:08.41 | rasputnik | stew, asg, ^jel: cheers |
| 16:08.51 | asg | rasputnik: there was much grumbling about it but the maintainer decided to adopt a different methodology. |
| 16:08.55 | stew | lac: try "modprobe -l | grep snd-seq" and see a list of related modules |
| 16:09.12 | abrotman | hawking: you left out the important part .. what kind of video card ? |
| 16:09.38 | lac | stew: thank you |
| 16:09.41 | rasputnik | asg: that's no problem, so long as I know I'm not losing my mind I'm cool. Think I'll try shorewall, don't much care for the iptables syntax anyway |
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| 16:09.52 | asg | rasputnik: firehol is another good option |
| 16:10.03 | hawking | abrotman : well I don't know ... how can i learn what video card I have? ( I am on my windows side of my laptop right now :/) |
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| 16:10.08 | stew | lac: another thing |
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| 16:10.16 | abrotman | hawking: in your Device Manager |
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| 16:11.01 | jojo1978 | hallo an alle |
| 16:11.05 | hawking | abrotman : sorry but I dunno much about windows xp where is that exactly located? |
| 16:11.09 | stew | lac: it might be that udev isn't setup to create /dev/sequencer for you, (grep -ri sequencer /etc/udev), if that returns no results, you better start googling about udev and /dev/sequencer, or consider ditching udev (which you probably have becuase you use gnome, specifically gnome-volume-manager) |
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| 16:11.20 | abrotman | hawking: in the control panel |
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| 16:11.33 | lac | stew: I have no gnome |
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| 16:11.44 | abrotman | hawking: in the control panel -> System -> hardware tab .. device manager |
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| 16:12.01 | rasputnik | asg: thanks for the tip |
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| 16:12.11 | asg | rasputnik: you're welcome |
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| 16:12.57 | coreyo | stew: Looks like it was all due to the ati fglrx packages. removing them fixed things, but it's still not clear why. |
| 16:13.29 | jojo1978 | weiss jemand wie man kooka als noroot ausführen kann |
| 16:13.40 | asg | !de |
| 16:13.41 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
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| 16:13.56 | lac | stew: I get results in the grep -ri sequencer /etc/udev |
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| 16:14.54 | lac | stew: so I should modprobe all those /devices in modprobe -l | grep snd-seq ? |
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| 16:16.18 | hawking | abrotman : sorry for asking dumb questions but I couldn't find it in the device manager.. under what title should that be? :/ |
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| 16:16.24 | stew | lac: snd-seq-midi |
| 16:16.58 | abrotman | hawking: right click on my computer .. go to the hardware tab .. the device manager button |
| 16:17.13 | lac | stew: ha! it was snd-seq-oss that it needed modprobing. |
| 16:17.14 | axscode | how to check if my uhci module is beeing loaded automatically.. or prebuilt in kernel? |
| 16:17.29 | newInst | fresh Sarge build here... as a rule, shouldn't I stay at sarge stable until I know *why* to upgrade to a newer distribution? |
| 16:17.32 | stew | lac: whatever works, put it at the end of /etc/modules |
| 16:17.39 | Fermi | I am Chinese speaking users... |
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| 16:17.49 | Fermi | Where shall I go then? |
| 16:17.49 | lac | stew: but now everything works, and I can continue developing my game on my laptop. Thank you ever so much. |
| 16:17.50 | Fermi | :| |
| 16:17.57 | OldakQuill | Collectivised under a single username |
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| 16:18.57 | kuribas | How can I make the gimp recognise type1 fonts? (or gnome apps in general) |
| 16:19.09 | stew | lac: you're welcome |
| 16:19.20 | newInst | in past builds the first thing to do was update the apt sources.list and go ahead with dist-upgrade... is that recommended with Sarge? |
| 16:19.24 | axscode | how to check if my usb-uhci is a module.. or a prebuilt in my kernel? |
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| 16:19.41 | stew | axscode: what doesn "uname -r" say? |
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| 16:20.32 | axscode | 2.4.272-386 |
| 16:21.02 | axscode | 2.4.27-2-386 #1 DATE JST2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 16:21.22 | coreyo | are there debian packages available for openoffice 2.0 yet? |
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| 16:22.04 | bbrazil | coreyo: should be |
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| 16:22.09 | bakr | Hello agian... :) my sound works for now... Thanks for all your help.... only one little problem left... : When i start the cd player there comes no sound out of my soundcard..... hope you guys can fix that too? :) |
| 16:22.18 | hawking | abrotman : I think this is it --- > Intel® 915GM 128Mb |
| 16:22.26 | abrotman | hawking: and you have sarge installed ? |
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| 16:23.24 | hawking | abrotman : yes |
| 16:23.31 | abrotman | !xorg sarge |
| 16:23.32 | dpkg | somebody said xorg sarge was [1] add these to sources.list without quotes: "deb http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main" "deb-src http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main" [2] run the following command: apt-get update && apt-get install xserver-xorg [3] restart X |
| 16:23.53 | axscode | stew: would u like to continue? it says. Linux hostname 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Mon May 16 16:47:51 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 16:23.56 | coreyo | bbrazil: I don't think that anyone is arguing there, but ARE there? |
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| 16:24.20 | l3m | hawking: you'll probably need 855resolution too to get all resolutions ( if you have a nonstandard size tft in your laptop ) |
| 16:24.27 | bbrazil | coreyo: unstable afaic |
| 16:24.32 | bakr | Hello agian... :) my sound works for now... Thanks for all your help.... only one little problem left... : When i start the cd player there comes no sound out of my soundcard..... hope you guys can fix that too? :) |
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| 16:24.44 | hawking | l3m : 855resolution? |
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| 16:25.01 | hawking | abortman: the source list file is in /etc right? |
| 16:25.30 | Lee__ | is the amp64 port not included in the official archives because it has code instability or is it just an issue of distributing it? |
| 16:25.35 | axscode | i need help here.. |
| 16:25.39 | bakr | hawking: /etc/apt/ ( i think ) |
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| 16:26.00 | axscode | how to check if my usb-uhci is loaded by module.. or it is prebuilt in the kernel? |
| 16:26.07 | newInst | bakr: are you sure the wire is connected to the CD drive? |
| 16:26.11 | abrotman | hawking: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:26.20 | Lee__ | axscode, /boot/config-* |
| 16:26.29 | abrotman | hawking: the alternative is to upgrade to etch .. it's a bit of a mess at the moment .. so that's a risk .. but it's up to you |
| 16:26.31 | mtnman | axscode: check the config file for your kernel in /boot |
| 16:26.44 | bakr | newinst: Yes think so otherwise i couldn't install debian.... |
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| 16:27.10 | newInst | bakr: there's a second wire, for sound, must be attached from CD to soundcard |
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| 16:27.26 | l3m | hawking: yes it's a debian package |
| 16:27.45 | l3m | hawking: i needed it to get my native 1280x768 resolution with the same chipset you have |
| 16:27.46 | axscode | thanks mtnman.. what will i be looking for? |
| 16:27.55 | hawking | abrotman: what is etch? |
| 16:28.02 | bakr | newinst: Nope doesn't have a wire like that... but befor i had windows 98 and there it worked fine......... |
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| 16:28.09 | abrotman | hawking: it's the current version of debian/testing ... |
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| 16:28.16 | kuribas | Why does gnome ignore fonts that should be available for X? |
| 16:28.21 | mtnman | axscode: look in the config file and see if the module is =y or =m |
| 16:28.25 | hawking | abrotman : I see thanks for your help :) |
| 16:28.27 | dijital1 | how do you change the port that FTP runs on if you're using inetd to spawn the service when connections come in? |
| 16:28.30 | l3m | hawking: you only need it if your laptop doesn't use one of the standard sizes ( e.g is widescreen or so ) |
| 16:28.39 | hawking | l3m : I see |
| 16:28.48 | hawking | l3m: are there any other packages for laptops? |
| 16:29.03 | newInst | bakr: I'm only 92% certain you need that audio wire to play CDs properly |
| 16:29.11 | l3m | hawking: yes laptop-mode-tools |
| 16:29.12 | axscode | if m = module? |
| 16:29.24 | mtnman | axscode: you catch on quickly |
| 16:29.38 | hawking | l3m: hmm what is it? |
| 16:29.45 | bakr | newinst: Strange.... never had that.... maybe debian doesn't support without wire? |
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| 16:29.57 | axscode | CONFIG_USB_UHCI = m <--so it is loaded as module. and not kernel prebuilt.. hmm .thanks dude.. |
| 16:30.05 | l3m | hawking: well helps saving energy, e.g. hd spins down when not used and bundled hd access |
| 16:30.06 | mtnman | axscode: welcome |
| 16:30.27 | hawking | l3m : I see... is it enough to install it or do you have to make some configuration? |
| 16:30.34 | newInst | bakr: well time was, it was purely a hardware thing... I suppose the motherboard/CPU performance now might allow software playthru... dunno |
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| 16:32.04 | l3m | hawking: well don't bother with it until your system runs, then install and read the docs ,) |
| 16:32.05 | axscode | last question.. if im going to apt-get install zaptel-source <-- where does it goes? and is it really installed? or just grub the code.. |
| 16:32.20 | Lee__ | could someone who's running the amd64 port for a production MySQL database server give me a "big ups" if it's working out alright? |
| 16:32.25 | l3m | hawking: it should work out-of-the-box but probably not optimally tuned to your system |
| 16:32.46 | hawking | l3m: thank you |
| 16:32.59 | bibe | axscode : it should install a tarred file into /usr/src |
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| 16:33.02 | l3m | np;) |
| 16:34.10 | bibe | then you should use make-kpkg or module-assistant |
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| 16:39.29 | jeanjacques | is it correct ? @INSOAlocalhost. root.localhost. ( |
| 16:39.30 | outlaw84 | how do I restore grub to mbr if I have got the menu.lst file? |
| 16:40.10 | valdyn | outlaw84: menu.lst has nothing to do with it |
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| 16:40.20 | jeanjacques | or should i have @INSOA127.0.0.1 root.localhost. ( |
| 16:40.20 | jeanjacques | ? |
| 16:40.36 | MrCoYoTe | Yop |
| 16:40.44 | cOff3ebuZz | 'lo all. trying to install ndiswrapper. the wiki has the commands "fakeroot bedian/rules binary-modules" |
| 16:40.44 | sha1sum | hello... is there an mp3 splitter in the official or marillat repos? |
| 16:40.50 | cOff3ebuZz | what exactly does fakeroot do? similar to sudo? |
| 16:40.58 | valdyn | outlaw84: run 'grub-install /dev/hda' ( or wherever ) |
| 16:41.10 | outlaw84 | valdyn: but doesn't menu-lst contain what partitions/kernels I have? |
| 16:41.11 | sha1sum | (apt-cache search brought up nothing) |
| 16:41.26 | valdyn | outlaw84: so? |
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| 16:41.30 | neko_ | outlaw84: no it doesn't |
| 16:41.59 | mtnman | !tell cOff3ebuzz about fakeroot |
| 16:42.00 | cOff3ebuZz | mtnman, thought so, thanks |
| 16:42.03 | mtnman | welcome |
| 16:42.14 | neko_ | outlaw84: it contains the menu you see when you launch grub |
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| 16:43.03 | outlaw84 | My mbr has been overwriten by a Windows installation how do I restore the one I had? |
| 16:43.14 | valdyn | outlaw84: run 'grub-install /dev/hda' ( or wherever ) |
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| 16:43.26 | neko_ | outlaw84: make a grub floppy disk? |
| 16:43.31 | Ronin | and stop installing windows outlaw84 ;) |
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| 16:43.37 | outlaw84 | valdyn: and grub-install will "autodetect"? |
| 16:43.40 | saloxin | outlaw84: boot from install cd? |
| 16:43.43 | bibe | outlaw84 : boot a live cd or a debian install cd |
| 16:43.45 | neko_ | valdyn: he doesn't have linux |
| 16:43.57 | valdyn | outlaw84: why the hell would it need to autodetect and what? |
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| 16:44.14 | outlaw84 | valdyn: what kernels I have-... |
| 16:44.22 | valdyn | neko_: he does, he said so, if he is unable to boot it, then he didnt say so. |
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| 16:44.44 | neko_ | valdyn: sorry I meant he doesn't have linux installed to run the commnad |
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| 16:44.49 | mohadib | good morning |
| 16:44.56 | outlaw84 | I can boot from a knoppix cd... |
| 16:44.58 | bibe | outlaw84 go through the installation process until your system recognises the disk, then mount your linux / partition |
| 16:45.02 | valdyn | neko_: why the hell would he want grub then? |
| 16:45.04 | axscode | where can i find module that i can load..? |
| 16:45.10 | axscode | in what directory. |
| 16:45.12 | axscode | ? |
| 16:45.18 | valdyn | outlaw84: grub itself doesnt need to know that and does not write that to the mbr |
| 16:45.26 | neko_ | outlaw84: i think valdyn's command will work from the boot cd |
| 16:45.33 | valdyn | outlaw84: grub is able to read menu.lst when it is run |
| 16:45.34 | mtnman | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.39 | bibe | outlaw84 : then chroot into the dir you mounted / on, and from the chrooted environment run grub-install /dev/hda |
| 16:45.52 | outlaw84 | valdyn: ah okey... then I get it... Thanks |
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| 16:46.37 | axscode | thanks mtnman ... |
| 16:46.40 | bibe | outlaw84 : it can be also useful to 'mount -t proc -o bind /proc /<mounted_dir/proc' before chrooting |
| 16:46.41 | mtnman | welcome |
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| 16:46.44 | outlaw84 | I was under the impression that menu.lst was placed into the mbr... I see now that it is not the case |
| 16:46.47 | belleke | hi |
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| 16:46.56 | blaamann | After I updated my Debian testing/etch there is something wrong with my sound device. I get an error " Device /dev/dsp does not exist". Is there a way to re-configure the sound system/device ? |
| 16:47.06 | mohadib | can anyone recomend a good cheap dedicated server provider |
| 16:47.08 | neko_ | outlaw84: menu.lst is read from the fs |
| 16:47.19 | belleke | where can i find a list of backports for debian stable |
| 16:47.21 | belleke | ? |
| 16:47.24 | mtnman | blaamann: makedev |
| 16:47.25 | outlaw84 | neko_: yea I get that now |
| 16:47.39 | mohadib | anyone? |
| 16:47.40 | thingfish | !backports |
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| 16:48.38 | thingfish | belleke: try backports.org |
| 16:49.08 | belleke | k |
| 16:49.11 | belleke | thx |
| 16:49.13 | blaamann | mtnman: So it is not that I am missing the module that is suppose to take care of the sound device ? |
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| 16:49.28 | mtnman | blaamann: you said the device /dev/dsp did not exist |
| 16:49.31 | faber2 | hi everybody |
| 16:49.33 | cyberWhiz | how do i force apt to install an unstable package? |
| 16:49.41 | faber2 | what filesystem do you guys recommend these days? |
| 16:49.49 | mtnman | cyberwhiz: are you running stable? |
| 16:49.52 | thingfish | ext3 |
| 16:49.53 | azeem | faber2: ext3 |
| 16:49.57 | outlaw84 | faber2: get all libs that the package depends on |
| 16:49.58 | cyberWhiz | mtnman: nah, im running testing |
| 16:50.16 | lac | blaamann: it could be that if you modprobe a package it will install your device for you. But I don't know which package this is. |
| 16:50.24 | cyberWhiz | mtnman: i want to install openoffice 2 |
| 16:50.27 | mtnman | cyberwhiz: well, you may not be able to directly install an unstable package on testing. |
| 16:50.28 | blaamann | mtnman: That is right, it does not exist. Ok, I will make it then, thanks |
| 16:50.29 | Siba | I uninstalled the mysql-server using apt-get and installed again, but I could not start the mysql server as it says the /var/run/mysql/mysqld.sock is no more there. Any solution? |
| 16:50.37 | mtnman | blaamann: welcome. |
| 16:50.54 | neko_ | list |
| 16:50.57 | mtnman | blaamann: do ls -lh /dev/dsp to check for sure |
| 16:50.58 | faber2 | whatabout reiserfs or xfs? |
| 16:51.04 | neko_ | duh |
| 16:51.23 | blaamann | mtnman: ls: /dev/dsp: No such file or directory |
| 16:51.27 | thingfish | xfs over reiserfs...I've had too many oops with reiserfs to ever want to use it again. |
| 16:51.30 | mtnman | blaamann: okay then |
| 16:51.45 | cahoot | Siba: check syslog |
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| 16:51.59 | mtnman | cyberwhiz: you can always compile unstable source, create a .deb and install it on your system. |
| 16:52.00 | Siba | newbie, where is syslog |
| 16:52.02 | faber2 | i have noticed xfs comes with more tools than ext3. like resize, recover, repair ... etc |
| 16:52.13 | cahoot | Siba: check /var/log/syslog |
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| 16:53.37 | neko_ | faber2: you choose a fs depending on your needs |
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| 16:54.05 | azeem | faber2: there is e2fsprogs |
| 16:54.12 | neko_ | fabe2: for personal use i reccomend ext3 |
| 16:54.17 | azeem | faber2: they work for ext3 as well |
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| 16:54.28 | hawking | abrotman: I put "deb http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-list sarge main" and "deb-src http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-list sarge main" but it gave error in apt-get update |
| 16:54.30 | azeem | (TTBOMK) |
| 16:54.35 | Siba | cahroot: could not find anythng in the syslog |
| 16:54.36 | hawking | is the url wrong? |
| 16:54.46 | cyberWhiz | mtnman: does that handle dependencies properly? |
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| 16:55.04 | mtnman | cyberwhiz: if you compile it properly, yes. |
| 16:55.07 | Siba | cahroot: however it says the specific file mysqld.sock does not exist |
| 16:55.17 | cyberWhiz | mtnman: haha always a catch ;] |
| 16:55.33 | mtnman | cyberwhiz: man apt-get, look for -b source option. |
| 16:55.41 | abrotman | hawking: such as ? |
| 16:55.50 | hawking | 404 Not Found I guess |
| 16:56.12 | cyberWhiz | mtnman: i just found the -t option which will allow me to get unstable i believe -- i just have to add an unstable line to the apt sources list? |
| 16:56.22 | hawking | couldn't find xorg-list_i386_binary_packages something like that was it |
| 16:56.32 | blaamann | I tried to make the /dev/dsp but it failed with "./MAKEDEV: don't know how to make device "dsp"" |
| 16:56.32 | cahoot | Siba: check also /var/log/daemon.log |
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| 16:56.40 | mtnman | cyberwhiz: you do need to have an unstable *source* line. |
| 16:57.00 | mtnman | cyberwhiz: -t is not what you want. |
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| 16:57.32 | mtnman | blaaman: have you read man makedev? |
| 16:57.53 | hawking | abrotman: any other way to make my screen work? |
| 16:57.58 | sandman | When will all this trusted stuff make it to sid/etch? |
| 16:58.03 | sandman | And be taken out of experimenta? |
| 16:58.06 | sandman | experimental, that is |
| 16:58.22 | cyberWhiz | mtnman: no? I couldn't do apt-get -t unstable install openoffice.org ? |
| 16:58.32 | blaamann | mtnman: Reading |
| 16:58.45 | Siba | cahoot: nothing significant in /var/log/daemon.log |
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| 16:59.14 | axscode | is /etc/rc.local beeing called in the boot process? |
| 16:59.24 | abrotman | hawking: yes ... backports.org |
| 16:59.25 | mtnman | cyberwhiz: there is a difference between installing an unstable package, and compiling the unstable source on a stable (or testing) system and installing the resultant .deb. |
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| 16:59.44 | axscode | is /etc/rc.local beeing called in the boot process? coz i dont like using init.d i just want to add one line.. |
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| 16:59.49 | hawking | abrotman : hmm |
| 16:59.54 | cyberWhiz | mtnman: oh yeah, I know that -- I'm sorry... I was still on attempting to install the apt package |
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| 16:59.59 | abrotman | hawking: other than that . it's an upgrade to etch |
| 17:00.02 | cyberWhiz | mtnman: just confusion there ;] |
| 17:00.03 | thingfish | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.04 | mtnman | axscode: there is no rc.local on a debian system. |
| 17:00.09 | abrotman | !rc.local |
| 17:00.09 | dpkg | it has been said that rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 17:00.34 | mtnman | cyberwhiz: don't follow you |
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| 17:01.11 | hawking | abrotman: so I gotta find some repositories from backports.org or is backports.org a repository itself? |
| 17:01.24 | cyberWhiz | mtnman: im still just trying to use apt without making my own .deb |
| 17:01.33 | abrotman | hawking: right on the front page of the website is plenty of information |
| 17:01.39 | cyberWhiz | mtnman: i didnt realize you were still talking about getting the source |
| 17:01.52 | cOff3ebuZz | what package is fakeroot part of? if its called 'fakeroot' how could i find out what binary CD its on? |
| 17:01.55 | mtnman | cyberwhiz: you are ill-advised to mix packages between unstable/testing/unstable |
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| 17:02.14 | MASoft | why gaim-guifiction doesn't work in Debian Sarge ? (it works in Debian SID) |
| 17:02.37 | Ronin | MASoft: cause its not in sarge perhaps? |
| 17:02.47 | marstewel | MASoft: what exactly of gaim-guifiction doesnt work in sarge ? |
| 17:03.07 | GNU_ | marstewel, i have the same problem ;( |
| 17:03.10 | mtnman | cyberwhiz: *mix binary packages, that is... |
| 17:03.21 | MASoft | Ronin, It's one of the Sarge packages |
| 17:03.38 | MASoft | marstewel, the gaim-guifications plugin doesn't work at all ! |
| 17:03.51 | marstewel | did you file a bug report ? |
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| 17:03.59 | cyberWhiz | mtnman: alright alright ;] ill see what they have over at dotdeb |
| 17:04.06 | cyberWhiz | mtnman: im scared of source still |
| 17:04.16 | mtnman | cyberwhiz: btw, your /nick is one of my pet peevs...unless you mean to imply that you are a virtual pool of urine. |
| 17:04.18 | mtnman | !whiz |
| 17:04.19 | marstewel | scared of building from source ? |
| 17:04.34 | Ronin | cyberWhiz: why do you need oo2 anyhow? the current doesnt work fo ryou? |
| 17:04.42 | thingfish | cOff3ebuZz: it's its own package (fakeroot)...but I can't tell you which CD it would be on. |
| 17:04.57 | cyberWhiz | mtnman: Whiz is actually the proper short version of wizard |
| 17:05.15 | mtnman | cyberwhiz: no, that would be "wiz" |
| 17:05.25 | cyberWhiz | mtnman: look it up at dictionary.com |
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| 17:05.50 | mtnman | cyberwhiz: if that is what it says, it is wrong. |
| 17:05.54 | thingfish | I think a whiz is synonymous with a pee. |
| 17:05.57 | dings | any easy way to downgrade my python2.3 packages? |
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| 17:06.18 | Ronin | whiz: to make a whirring or hissing sound, hummmm |
| 17:06.19 | thingfish | at least, that's how I would've thought to spell it. |
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| 17:06.39 | cyberWhiz | mtnman: whiz, n 1: someone who is dazzlingly skilled in any field |
| 17:07.08 | Ronin | must be a different dictionary.com then |
| 17:07.14 | cyberWhiz | Ronin: scroll down |
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| 17:07.27 | mtnman | cyberwhiz: do you accept online sources as authoritative? |
| 17:07.46 | cyberWhiz | Ronin: the reason i want to use v2.0 is because of the presentation software, better compat with ms office |
| 17:07.49 | Ronin | ick meeting time again for me, i cant wait for thise to end |
| 17:08.10 | cyberWhiz | mtnman: lol well, an online source that derives their information from authoritative texts, yes |
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| 17:08.44 | cyberWhiz | mtnman: but whatever, if you would like to think of me as an electronic puddle, thats fine with me |
| 17:08.51 | thingfish | urban dictionary has, for first definition of whiz, "To urinate. Often also said as "take a whiz." |
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| 17:09.11 | mtnman | cyberwhiz: well, if that is an accepted definition, it is because it has been "popularly" accepted because so many people have misused it. how can "whiz" be an abbrev. for "wizard"? there is no "h" in "wizard" |
| 17:09.36 | mtnman | !whiz |
| 17:09.46 | thingfish | it also says a whiz is "the lowest form of forum user, feebly attempting to insult by correcting improper grammar." |
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| 17:09.53 | thingfish | hehe mtnman |
| 17:09.54 | dings | my python2.3 is currently 2.3.5-4, and I would realy like it to be 2.3.5-3. Any way to do that without to much hassle? |
| 17:10.13 | thingfish | and then it says it's also a street name for crystal meth. |
| 17:10.34 | mtnman | thingfish: however, i was not intending nor attempting to insult. only to educate. |
| 17:10.42 | cyberWhiz | lol honestly, i really don't care... im personally not going to take irc's definition of whiz ;] |
| 17:10.48 | thingfish | oh me too, I'm not insulting the guy |
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| 17:11.03 | thingfish | I'm just stoned and got off on a tangent. |
| 17:11.03 | cyberWhiz | so you can keep !whiz 'ing all you want |
| 17:11.07 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 17:13.33 | gapler | hey is it possible that P3 tualatin CPU`s don`t work at all on normal p3 mobo`s ? |
| 17:13.40 | cyberWhiz | mtnman: and as for the injection or subsitution of new characters in nicknames, it happens all the time... michael -> mike |
| 17:13.51 | cyberWhiz | substitution* |
| 17:13.55 | gapler | cuz I bought this real cute tualatin 1,2 ghz .. but it doesn`t work on my Asus CUBX |
| 17:14.04 | mtnman | cyberwhiz: i have said my say. |
| 17:14.25 | ApEtc | gapler: I want to say Tualatins used special boards, not just "any" P3 board |
| 17:14.37 | afed | LINXU |
| 17:15.18 | gapler | ApEtc I knew that but I thought they ran on normal P3 boards too .. just not 100% performance .. but that ain`t true then ? |
| 17:15.22 | wireddd | can you mount an ftp site? |
| 17:16.13 | ApEtc | gapler: I never actually owned one, so I don't know really know. |
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| 17:16.50 | ApEtc | gapler: I don't imagine Asus's web site has anything to say about it? |
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| 17:19.28 | gapler | ApEtc well I`ve searched and I searched .. and I found that tualatin needs 815EB chipsets or higher and need specials mobo`s .. but now where found that they won`t even power up on another P3 mobo |
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| 17:22.32 | doublehp | is it possible to spin down an SCSI drive ? |
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| 17:23.58 | mtnman | doublehp: iirc, hdparm will work on scsi |
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| 17:24.38 | SimonRaven | only certain options do, and they're mentioned. there's an sdparm now |
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| 17:25.02 | gapler | nobody here who knows about tualatin cpu`s ? |
| 17:25.15 | SimonRaven | google does |
| 17:25.26 | mtnman | doublehp: on looking at man hdparm, looks like -y option only applies to ide |
| 17:25.56 | doublehp | mtnman: fact is : HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(standby) failed: Invalid argument |
| 17:26.29 | mtnman | doublehp: seems like "spin down scsi drive" would be a good google search |
| 17:26.31 | SimonRaven | FYI, ide only uses a subset of the scsi standard |
| 17:26.49 | sha1sum | anybody familiar with getting adesklets to work with xfce4? damn fake root window keeps drawing over them |
| 17:26.58 | SimonRaven | *ahem* sdparm |
| 17:27.02 | usn | hi folx |
| 17:27.03 | sod | doublehp: apt-get install scsi-idle |
| 17:27.14 | SimonRaven | or that |
| 17:27.21 | sod | you shoul get start and stop utilities for your scsi drives, afair |
| 17:27.48 | mtnman | doublehp: this link looks like it will help you: http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/9904.1/0115.html |
| 17:27.53 | SimonRaven | sha1sum: xfce4 runs xfdesktop, which would override it |
| 17:28.38 | SimonRaven | analogy would be gnome's nautilus |
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| 17:30.10 | sha1sum | SimonRaven: is there a way to get around this? the documentation for adesklets is very skimpy, but it says that it works with xfce4 |
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| 17:30.48 | SimonRaven | never having used it, and only hearing of it just now, i don't. see their web site maybe |
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| 17:32.00 | doublehp | mtnman: i found your page earlier, but some other french page mentions scsitools, which contains scsi-spin :D |
| 17:32.19 | mtnman | doublehp: see what you can find if you look? |
| 17:32.29 | n7qnc | i am havig trouble getting my debian to reboot. I am running kernel 2.6.13. it used to reboot but on one of my software upgrades something went different. can anyonr=e give n=me some direction? |
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| 17:33.56 | thingfish | man, I just had to remove a squirrel from my house. |
| 17:34.17 | sod | did you use apt for that? |
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| 17:34.31 | thingfish | hehe yeah |
| 17:34.50 | sod | well, hope it was a --purge |
| 17:34.52 | doublehp | mtnman: I could not expect an english patern redirect me to a french page (still vocabulary is close ). |
| 17:34.57 | bboett | hello! another strange problem: each time i install a system, it boots fine, but all update kernel after that one end in a kernel panic, attempt to kill init some problem with a console.... may be someone knows what's going wrong there? |
| 17:35.02 | n7qnc | no i used synaptic |
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| 17:35.26 | thingfish | hehe poor little guy is still upset - I can hear him outside chirping. |
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| 17:37.39 | mtnman | bboett: how are you upgrading the kernel on the working system that causes it to fail? |
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| 17:38.55 | n7qnc | It wasnt a kernel upgrade that changed it. I pretty sure it was a software upgrade. |
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| 17:40.00 | dman13 | does anyone know where I can find woody cd images? |
| 17:40.13 | bboett | mtnman simply with dselect, i installed the task to keep actual kernel wise |
| 17:40.15 | TiMiDo | dman13 try www.linuxiso.org |
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| 17:41.08 | dman13 | TiMiDo: thanks -- they seem to show '3.0r4' as current; (good enough for me right now) |
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| 17:42.06 | mtnman | bboett: have you checked the bts regarding the kernel-image package in question? |
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| 17:42.34 | bboett | ehm where arer they written? |
| 17:42.43 | n7qnc | what is a bts? |
| 17:42.46 | mtnman | !bts |
| 17:42.46 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 17:43.10 | n7qnc | ok |
| 17:43.14 | n7qnc | thanks |
| 17:43.18 | mtnman | welcome |
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| 17:43.37 | Unified | hi |
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| 17:44.19 | Waggie | Hey folks.. |
| 17:44.27 | Unified | the synaptics driver of sarge comes with a little script that turns the touchpad on/off if a usb mouse is plugged in/out. however, where do i put/run this script, so it works in the background? |
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| 17:45.55 | bboett | hmm no bugs reported so far... |
| 17:46.23 | m4lu7 | "Yes, do as I say" ... har. cute. |
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| 17:47.46 | coreyo | has anyone had luck building the fglrx radeon drivers with the debian 2.6.11 kernel? |
| 17:47.57 | Waggie | I've checked Google (maybe not hard enough), but I can't determine why k3b has been apparently removed from Etch. Any ideas? |
| 17:48.12 | mtnman | waggie: check the bts |
| 17:48.24 | stew | Waggie: it needed to be removed so that the kde3.4 transistion could happen |
| 17:48.25 | cahoot | Waggie: major changes overall |
| 17:48.43 | stew | Waggie: the sid version will move to testing in a few weeks |
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| 17:49.28 | thingfish | in a pinch you can use gnomebaker - it's in etch. |
| 17:49.49 | MASoft | anybody tried GAIM-GUIFICTIONS package in Debian Sarge ? it doesn't work in Sarge, but works correcly in SID |
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| 17:50.35 | Postkarte | What is the atp-get package name to install tk? |
| 17:50.50 | cahoot | tcl-tk? |
| 17:50.56 | Postkarte | thanks |
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| 17:51.07 | blaamann | Is OSS the default soundsystem in Debian Sarge and Etch ? |
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| 17:51.15 | TCW | coreyo, I used the installer with 2.6.12 (home-grown), no errors with that... if you managed it and it works, conect a TV to the TV-out and report back if your crt-screen looks like... dunno... just if it is too bright to work with :) |
| 17:51.26 | stouset | blaamann: No. |
| 17:51.27 | MASoft | blaamann, no, I think it's ALSA |
| 17:51.28 | Waggie | Thanks for the help with the k3b info, guys. I'll try gnomebaker. |
| 17:51.38 | Postkarte | cahoot, That isn't the package name. |
| 17:51.39 | stew | Waggie: your choices are, put k3b (and the rest of kde with it) on hold unti lthe transition is complete, don't use k3b, try cherry picking the k3b package from sid |
| 17:51.41 | Waggie | (One must expect these things when running a 'testing' release) |
| 17:51.52 | mtnman | blaamann:iirc, sarge is oss, etch is alsa |
| 17:51.54 | TCW | gnomebaker sucks |
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| 17:52.08 | Postkarte | gnomebaker owns |
| 17:52.15 | Postkarte | !start a burning software war |
| 17:52.19 | TCW | Postkarte, in no way! |
| 17:52.32 | MASoft | mtnman, are you sure the Default of sarge is OSS ?!?! |
| 17:52.33 | Waggie | Stew: I'll hold out for a couple weeks using another program, thanks! :) |
| 17:52.35 | Postkarte | What is the package name to install tk?... It's no tcl-tk |
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| 17:52.42 | TCW | I don't like KDE but k3b is ok... gnomebaker just sucks the hell! |
| 17:52.51 | mtnman | masoft: well, on both my sarge systems oss is installed... |
| 17:52.54 | bboett | hmm another thing i have a remote box with openssh installed i put in the /etc/sshd_config X11Forwarding yes i call the comp with -X but no DISPLAY is set.... what's going wrong? the machine there hasn't a display.... |
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| 17:53.02 | Waggie | TCW: Do you have an alternate suggestion to gnomebaker other than k3b? |
| 17:53.07 | thc | hey i have an idea, burn cds using cdrecord and cdrdao, which is what k3b is actually using anyway |
| 17:53.08 | MASoft | mtnman, in mine, ALSA |
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| 17:53.18 | treyh0 | Waggie: graveman |
| 17:53.21 | thingfish | MASoft: even if I choose Desktop Environment during initial install, I still have to install alsa-base post-install if I want to use alsa. |
| 17:53.30 | thingfish | so oss is the default. |
| 17:53.31 | blaamann | Somehow alsa was replaced by oss on my system. When I installed alsa the /dev/dsp device appeared again. |
| 17:53.35 | cahoot | Postkarte: best is to search with: apt-cache search <app> |
| 17:53.41 | TCW | Waggie, no... I don't need a alternative... I just use k3b (from stable) with etch and it works. |
| 17:53.49 | Postkarte | cahoot, I did that. |
| 17:54.02 | Postkarte | There are like 100 packages with tcl/tk from apt-cache |
| 17:54.09 | Postkarte | And lots of them look like tk...but none are. |
| 17:54.17 | Waggie | treyh0 and TCW: Ok, thank you for the suggestions. |
| 17:54.18 | coreyo | TCW: I can't even get it to compile. If I run the "make_install.sh" in the 2.6.x directory, it complains about a folder not being in my /lib/modules/Kernel directory, if I run it from the /lib/modules/fglrx directory, it complains about firegl_public.c not being present. |
| 17:54.24 | Waggie | Good day all! |
| 17:54.27 | blaamann | But the device now had root permissions only, -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2005-11-03 18:34 dsp |
| 17:54.28 | n7qnc | n7qnc is gone |
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| 17:54.35 | blaamann | had = has |
| 17:54.42 | TCW | coreyo, try the installer |
| 17:55.00 | TCW | blaamann, udev? |
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| 17:55.11 | blaamann | udev yes |
| 17:55.25 | cahoot | Postkarte: apt-cache search tk8. - turns up a few |
| 17:55.30 | mtnman | blaamann: the perms you indicated show global read access |
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| 17:55.34 | coreyo | TCW: afaik, the installer only installs the xorg/x11 libraries and gives you the kernel module source, but it doesn't actually compile the kernel module for you. |
| 17:55.44 | TCW | blaamann, have a look in /etc/udev/ |
| 17:55.45 | coreyo | TCW: the one from ati's website anyway |
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| 17:56.10 | blaamann | TCW: What file in there ? |
| 17:56.12 | TCW | coreyo, I tried it yesterday and it did everything for me... |
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| 17:56.39 | TCW | blaamann, something changed in udev... use the power of grep! :) |
| 17:56.52 | Postkarte | diana@debian:~/iptview$ ./iptview |
| 17:56.52 | Postkarte | Can't locate Tk.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.7 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.7 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at ./iptview line 35. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ./iptview line 35. |
| 17:57.06 | Postkarte | I get that errror when I try to run this perl script....but I have tk8.4 installed...apt tells me. |
| 17:57.17 | TCW | Postkarte, you need the perl-tk or whatever it is called like |
| 17:57.55 | Postkarte | awesome |
| 17:57.56 | Postkarte | Thanks a lot TCW |
| 17:58.00 | Postkarte | I appreciate the help. |
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| 17:58.25 | TCW | Postkarte, you're welcome |
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| 17:58.45 | blaamann | mtnman: I could not start X today after an upgrade so I have re-installed a lot of packages today. Now I've got X up and running again, but still no sound. Rhytembox tells me to check the permissions |
| 17:58.46 | statuxxz | Hey there. Does someone know about a video-converter app on debian? |
| 17:59.01 | TCW | whoopie... ist is called perl-tk, and it was just a guess ;) |
| 17:59.11 | Lee__ | statuxxz, mencoder, transcode |
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| 17:59.24 | mtnman | blaamann: well, i haven't used alsa, so i will probably be of limited help in that regard. |
| 17:59.33 | statuxxz | Okay thank you! |
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| 18:00.19 | blaamann | When I try to use play on an mp3 file I get this error "sox: Can't open output file '/dev/dsp': Permission denied" |
| 18:00.27 | TCW | blaamann, in /etc/udev/* there are the files you need to change... there are rules you can modify according to whatever permission you want for any device... |
| 18:00.28 | coreyo | TCW: you're talking about the little gui when you run the ati-installer.run file? |
| 18:00.39 | TCW | coreyo, I think so... yes |
| 18:01.01 | markybob | i was told that you cant have 1TB raid-5 setup on the same controller without losing performance and that you should instead use two controllers. i cant find paperwork for this, though. is this fact or fiction? |
| 18:01.05 | TCW | It is long ago ;) |
| 18:01.21 | blaamann | TCW: Ok, let me try udev.rules |
| 18:01.41 | TCW | markybob, I think it is greatly controller dependant |
| 18:02.05 | hackeron_ | !or |
| 18:02.06 | dpkg | [or] that just a bot |
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| 18:02.33 | markybob | TCW, any personal experience with 1TB+ raid-5? |
| 18:02.36 | TCW | blaamann, maybe permission.rules also? :) |
| 18:03.07 | bjason82 | I am trying to install a web program called slashcode (the engine that runs slashdot) and when I attempt to run make it gives me an error saying "BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ./Makefile.PL line 6. |
| 18:03.13 | bjason82 | ***Error code 2 |
| 18:03.30 | Lee__ | bjason82, please don't install slashcode, nor ask in #debian about anything related to it. |
| 18:03.32 | TCW | markybob, no... but I don't see the difference between 1TB or 1GB... if the controller can handle it... |
| 18:03.38 | blaamann | TCW: I will look into it |
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| 18:03.54 | bjason82 | Lee_ why should i install it? |
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| 18:04.09 | Lee__ | bjason82, you shouldn't. you'll be sorry. |
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| 18:04.29 | bjason82 | Lee__ Really? can you recommend a good alternative? |
| 18:04.41 | gothtec | FUCK! Cd-rom's used to be non-pushable? I tried to push this CD-ROM closed and the thing fuckin' broke... I think. |
| 18:04.47 | vmx | hi! i'd like to install jai. what is the best way to install aditional libraries for java? (if java was installed via java-package) |
| 18:04.49 | bjason82 | Lee__ because i'm not that happy with wordpress |
| 18:04.50 | Lee__ | bjason82, uhhh, yeah. like any other CMS/blogging program in existance. |
| 18:04.51 | TCW | markybob, in other words... if the Controller is 64bit wide or pci-x I don't see why it should not handle a couple of harddisks |
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| 18:05.25 | bjason82 | Lee__ thanks for the sarcasm.... |
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| 18:06.14 | Lee__ | bjason82, np. but seriously slashcode works great for slashdot. it won't work well for you, I assure you. |
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| 18:06.33 | bjason82 | k |
| 18:06.41 | Dasnipa` | ./code |
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| 18:07.17 | blaamann | TCW &mtnman: I installed alsa-utils and then ran alsaconf which configured my card and loaded all modules. Now I've got sound :-) |
| 18:07.35 | ke6isf | bjason82: If you're looking for code, Livejournal releases the source to what they use. |
| 18:07.38 | mtnman | blaamann: congragulations |
| 18:07.51 | mtnman | *congratulations, that is |
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| 18:08.22 | blaamann | Is also changed the permissions on the dev to, crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2005-11-03 19:06 dsp |
| 18:08.43 | bjason82 | ke6isf, k thx.. i'll check that out. I'm just looking for alternatives to wordpress |
| 18:09.18 | TCW | blaamann, btw. what do you use? stable, testing? |
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| 18:10.22 | blaamann | I use testing, and honestly I don't know if that is clever or not. I switched to Debian 3 weeks after running Mandrake for 7 years :-) |
| 18:10.35 | blaamann | for 3 weeks ago |
| 18:10.47 | mtnman | blaamann: well, for debian newbies, stable is recommended, surprisingly. |
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| 18:12.20 | blaamann | mtnman: I know and maybe I should reinstall stable. The most important thing for me is that I have a proper build environment because I build applications like enlightenment and mplayer-plugin from cvs |
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| 18:12.47 | blaamann | Running Enlightenment 17 at the moment |
| 18:13.26 | mtnman | blaamann: i've been running debian for quite a while, and though i often will have a testing or unstable machine around, i read email and stuff on a stable box. |
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| 18:15.37 | mjimenez_ | dime de donde eres |
| 18:16.07 | blaamann | mtnman: Another thing that is important for me is to be able to read and author documents with the new odt standard. For that I neew kword in kde 3.4 or OpenOffice2.0 That could be a problem with Stable unless someone is working on backports |
| 18:16.14 | Cresl1n | el habla en qu idioma? |
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| 18:16.30 | thingfish | spanish. |
| 18:16.40 | mtnman | blaamann: it is trivial to backport from testing/unstable source to stable. |
| 18:16.47 | thingfish | !es |
| 18:16.48 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 18:16.58 | dfinn_ | am I incorrect in thinking that the libapache-mod-ssl package should restart apache when you upgrade it? |
| 18:17.11 | mtnman | blaamann: man apt-get and look at -b source option |
| 18:17.26 | H2OyJaBoN | what p2p program does they use? |
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| 18:18.05 | blaamann | mtnman: Ok, I will check it out. I guess I could install the official rpm OpenOffice files as well on debian |
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| 18:18.30 | mtnman | blaamann: ugh. don't think you really want to mess with rpm on debian. |
| 18:18.32 | Thanatermesis | who set the /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator ? |
| 18:18.42 | blaamann | mtnman: alien ? |
| 18:18.50 | mtnman | blaamann: unreliable. |
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| 18:19.17 | Lee__ | An AIC-7902 controller does not get it's volumes detected with the amd64 netinst iso. How can I get around this? |
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| 18:19.36 | pinucset | one think. How can i Know wich python i've got installed? |
| 18:19.37 | mtnman | blaamann: you'd be better off with a source tarball, and installing in /usr/local |
| 18:19.39 | blaamann | mtnman: OK, I installed mozilla-dev that way before they were available as deb |
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| 18:19.53 | blaamann | pinucset: run python |
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| 18:20.10 | Anthro | I'm having a problem with a dist-upgrade. The new kdeprint package in testing seems to be broken. It complains: unable to stat `./usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kdeprint/common' (which I was about to install): Input/output error |
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| 18:20.28 | Blissex | Anthro: since you are a very advanced guru, you can sort that yourself... |
| 18:20.58 | Anthro | Blissex: Pardon? However advanced I may be in one part of Debian or another, I'm at a loss here. |
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| 18:21.30 | valdyn | Anthro: that file is in the kdeprint package your tried to install? |
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| 18:21.42 | Blissex | Anthro: any question that contains «in testing» presupposes that you really really know the packaging system inside out. |
| 18:22.04 | Blissex | Anthro: and the error above does not even seem to be a packaging issue, but a hardware one. |
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| 18:22.26 | Anthro | Blissex: You're thinking of unstable. It's supposed to have passed the automated packaging tests before it gets to testing. |
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| 18:23.00 | Blissex | Anthro: no, because there is no guaranteed that packages in 'testing' make complete sets, for one thing. |
| 18:23.05 | Anthro | valdyn: Not sure. Let me check. This kdeprint package was downloaded from mirrors.kernel.org as part of a dist-upgrade. |
| 18:23.24 | Anthro | Blissex: "complete sets"? This isn't a dependency problem, this is a broken package. |
| 18:23.29 | TarquinW_ | hi, I am trying to compile a program, and it is saying that dcopidl is missing (and as far as I can tell, it is right). According to google, the file should be a part of kdelibs4-dev, so I app-get installed that, but dcopidl did not appear. Anyone know what I can do to get it ? |
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| 18:23.50 | Blissex | Anthro: looks like instead a hardware issue... IO errors tend not to be sw errors. |
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| 18:25.16 | valdyn | Anthro: just try 'ls' and 'stat' on that file |
| 18:25.21 | Anthro | Blissex: It's too consistent and isolated to be a hardware issue. I am having no trouble with my filesystem or disk, but this happens every time I try to install this particular package, using the exact same package. |
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| 18:25.35 | Anthro | valdyn: Where does it unpack? I always forget. |
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| 18:25.50 | valdyn | Anthro: /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kdeprint/common |
| 18:26.02 | Thanatermesis | who set the /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator ? |
| 18:26.10 | Thanatermesis | package* |
| 18:26.17 | bakr | okay here's the problem: I can play audio from cd ( mp3, wma that sort of stuff ) but can't play AUDIO-CD ? .... |
| 18:26.48 | Blissex | Thanatermesis: usually whichever terminal emulator package was last installed and had higher priority. |
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| 18:27.04 | Blissex | bakr: have you got the cable from the CD to the sound card? |
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| 18:27.34 | Anthro | valdyn: Hrmph. Broken. I've removed it. Let me see if it works now. |
| 18:27.41 | hebfftijd | howto -purge a file (new to debian |
| 18:27.46 | bakr | Nope never had before i had windows 98 and there it worked to play audio-cd and never had that cable... |
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| 18:27.59 | valdyn | hebfftijd: you mean a package? |
| 18:28.00 | Anthro | valdyn: For some reason I thought it was relative to an unpack directory. |
| 18:28.07 | hebfftijd | yes valdyn |
| 18:28.11 | mtnman | hebfftijd: both dpkg and apt-get have purge flags |
| 18:28.18 | valdyn | hebfftijd: apt-get remove --purge <package> |
| 18:28.19 | Blissex | bakr: then you were not playing the audio-CD, you were playing the WAV extracted on the fly from it. |
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| 18:28.49 | Anthro | valdyn: Okay, it's proceeding. That's freaky. It looks like I'm getting filesystem corruption. |
| 18:28.56 | valdyn | Anthro: yea |
| 18:29.00 | bakr | blissex: uhm ok..... so i can't play audio-cd treu any software without that cable ? |
| 18:29.08 | TarquinW_ | no-one know where I can get dcopidl ? |
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| 18:29.37 | valdyn | bakr: some players dont require it, not sure which |
| 18:29.49 | Anthro | valdyn: Well, I gave up on getting DMA working on this drive. Someone suggested the IDE cable might be the problem, and I have a new one that should be arriving today. |
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| 18:30.04 | Anthro | Blissex: Actually, you might be right about it being a hardware problem after all. Sorry. |
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| 18:30.21 | Blissex | Anthro: dont worry, it is you being unlucky... |
| 18:30.23 | bakr | wel ok then i wil search on google .... or buy that stupid cable :P |
| 18:30.45 | Blissex | bakr: sure you can without the bcable, you need a player that does extraction on the fly. |
| 18:31.03 | Anthro | Blissex: fingers crossed that a new IDE cable will fix things. |
| 18:31.05 | Blissex | bakr: for example the GRiP ripper can also act as a player. |
| 18:31.12 | bakr | so cd-player from windows does that extracting thingy right ? |
| 18:31.23 | valdyn | bakr: cdda2wav can do it, but you're probably looking for a GUI |
| 18:31.31 | Blissex | bakr: well, if there is no cable, that's the only way. |
| 18:31.51 | bakr | cdda2wav is that commandline then ? |
| 18:32.04 | Blissex | bakr: there are quite a few CD players that can play a CD by ripping it on the fly, so just to a bit of searching. |
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| 18:32.41 | bakr | isn't there then a cd-player from windows for linux or something like that ? |
| 18:32.47 | thingfish | totem should be able to play it, I would think. |
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| 18:33.26 | vincentdevries_ | hi |
| 18:33.29 | valdyn | bakr: this isnt particularily sophisticated, its just a trade, cpu load vs cable |
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| 18:33.55 | bakr | so via cable is proberly better then true only a software you mean ? |
| 18:33.57 | EnsignRedshirt | Hello, world. |
| 18:34.00 | valdyn | bakr: if you try 3 random cd audio players in debian, one of them might play w/o that cable |
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| 18:34.22 | jeld | hello all |
| 18:34.24 | valdyn | bakr: better as "puts no load at all on your system" |
| 18:34.25 | VincentMX | the netinstall doesn't work |
| 18:34.31 | bakr | cool :P |
| 18:34.57 | bakr | but i currently have 2 cdplayers and both don't work but i will search on the www |
| 18:35.02 | bakr | always something to find |
| 18:35.06 | bakr | but i'm leaving |
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| 18:35.12 | bakr | thanks for the helo |
| 18:35.15 | bakr | * help |
| 18:35.51 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I need help ;P |
| 18:35.57 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: U awake? |
| 18:36.01 | thingfish | in xmms you can set the cd playing plugin to use digital audio extraction. |
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| 18:37.19 | VincentMX | the netinsall doesn'twork onmy box. i try to install it,it all works fine,but then it says it can't continue and i have to try again. i've tried 3 times,and nothing works so i try to install gnome using su root install gnome, but i get the same error using that,and kde gives an error that it won't install several things |
| 18:37.40 | dswanson1 | does anyone know how debian-friendly a Creative Labs Sound Blaster 16 ISA PnP card is? |
| 18:38.17 | Blissex | dswanson1: yes. |
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| 18:38.25 | valdyn | dswanson1: works perfectly fine, though you probably hav eto use 'isapnp' |
| 18:38.29 | mtnman | vincentmx: telling us you get an error does not give us much to go on. you need to say what the error message is. |
| 18:38.30 | TwistedEmotions | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1022 |
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| 18:38.39 | TwistedEmotions | Can anyone help me with apt... ? http://channels.debian.net/paste/1022 |
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| 18:39.01 | dswanson1 | i'm having trouble figuring out which kernel module i need |
| 18:39.03 | unixrox | hey all... have a question reguarding wireless cards and linux...when using unstable...i had to install a wareless-tools and wireless-extensions package to get wireless to work with the madwifi drivers...in debian stable, all i ever see is the wireless tools package...and my driver documentation says that i need the wireless extensions package as well...what am i missing? is there another source that i can add to my /etc/apt/source.list to get the wirel |
| 18:39.04 | unixrox | ess extensions package? do i need it with debian stable? |
| 18:39.04 | TwistedEmotions | cant seem to get two packages installed... and those are preventing me from installing other packacges.. |
| 18:39.12 | EnsignRedshirt | I am trying to statically link a program that uses X (indirectly, through FLTK). Does anyone know which library file provides X functions such as XCloseDisplay, XSetFillStyle, etc? |
| 18:39.14 | mtnman | dswanson1: reasonabley so, however on such a card, i would recommend disabling pnp via jumper. |
| 18:39.42 | dswanson1 | the BS16 is VM simulated |
| 18:39.47 | unixrox | was the wireless extensions package just a source package? |
| 18:39.47 | VincentMX | mtnman ok,only i have to install everything allover again, it doesn't have base-config |
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| 18:41.09 | dfinn_ | am I incorrect in thinking that the libapache-mod-ssl package should restart apache when you upgrade it? |
| 18:41.37 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know why those packages wont install? |
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| 18:41.57 | mtnman | twistedemotions: you haven't said which packages |
| 18:42.12 | TwistedEmotions | mtnman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1022 |
| 18:42.17 | mtnman | dfinn_: you are incorrect in thinking so w/o checking |
| 18:42.21 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: i think it's selfexplanatory |
| 18:42.25 | TwistedEmotions | mtnman: udev.. |
| 18:42.36 | dfinn_ | mtnman: w/o checking what? |
| 18:42.47 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: ;( Errrr.. elaborate? |
| 18:42.58 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: the error message tells you what the problem is |
| 18:43.19 | mtnman | dfinn_: w/o checking if it that upgrade is *supposed* to restart apache |
| 18:43.19 | mtnman | dfinn_: most likely, it is not. |
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| 18:43.31 | unixrox | hey all... have a question reguarding wireless cards and linux...when using unstable...i had to install a wareless-tools and wireless-extensions package to get wireless to work with the madwifi drivers...in debian stable, all i ever see is the wireless tools package...and my driver documentation says that i need the wireless extensions package as well...what am i missing? is there another source that i can add to my /etc/apt/source.list to get the wirel |
| 18:43.32 | unixrox | ess extensions package? do i need it with debian stable? |
| 18:43.39 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: there are a lot of errors... the perl warnings or Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 18:43.39 | TwistedEmotions | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:43.49 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: your locales ? |
| 18:44.04 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: the locales are the problem? |
| 18:44.08 | dfinn_ | mtnman: and where would I find out whether or not it is *supposed* to? i read through the postinst script and it is not in there. but it's upgrading an apache module and apache needs to be restarted for that to be fully in effect, so it seems to me like it should be restarted. |
| 18:44.15 | dfinn_ | or at least warn you to restart it |
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| 18:44.22 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: how do I set that? |
| 18:44.24 | lesouvage | I want to save a variable in a tmp file. Can somebody please give me some direction where to look for the way to do this |
| 18:44.41 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 18:44.50 | Overfiend | lesouvage: echo $VARIABLE >$HOME/.my_tempfile |
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| 18:45.04 | Overfiend | lesouvage: actually, since the variable may have whitespace in it: |
| 18:45.06 | mtnman | dfinn_: i would *guess* that it is not. if, for eg. you upgrade apache, it won't automatically restart. |
| 18:45.12 | Overfiend | lesouvage: echo "$VARIABLE" >"$HOME"/.my_tempfile |
| 18:45.20 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: dpkg-reconfigure locales /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is broken or not fully installed |
| 18:45.31 | lesouvage | Overfiend: thanks a lot |
| 18:45.34 | dfinn_ | mtnman: from what I've seen everytime you upgrade a system daemon like apache, qmail, snmp the debian package restarts the service for you |
| 18:45.41 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: dude .. what did you do to your system? |
| 18:45.48 | dfinn_ | anyone else care to comment? |
| 18:45.49 | Overfiend | lesouvage: you may want to read up on a basic primer on POSIX shell scripting |
| 18:46.08 | Overfiend | lesouvage: O'Reilly has a new book called "Classic Shell Scripting" that actually looks pretty good, but unfortunately it's not free |
| 18:46.24 | abrotman | unix power tools ? |
| 18:46.30 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: nothing... just installed and tried to move it over to unstable... ;P Guess PPC+Unstable = worse then normal unstable? |
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| 18:46.45 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: ask #debianppc ? .. i don't own any ppc hardware |
| 18:46.54 | Anthro | I wish I could make dpkg use something other than diff for the "show the differences between the versions" option when you have a modified config file. I'd use vim -d. |
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| 18:47.04 | lesouvage | Overfiend: Is this a site or a book or a shell? |
| 18:47.18 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: everyone there is either def or asleep ;) |
| 18:47.22 | mtnman | anthro: file a wish-list bug |
| 18:47.23 | abrotman | deaf |
| 18:47.25 | Overfiend | ke6isf: _Classic Shell Scripting_ is a dead-tree book published by O'Reilly |
| 18:47.29 | Blissex | Overfiend: I'll have a look myself, but I find most shell scripting books are well beneath my refined tastes in shell scripting. |
| 18:47.30 | Overfiend | eh> |
| 18:47.30 | TwistedEmotions | just going to reinstall and try testing... ;P fucking ppc |
| 18:47.36 | Overfiend | lesouvage: _Classic Shell Scripting_ is a dead-tree book published by O'Reilly |
| 18:47.46 | Squawk | Hey guys. Im working with an iptables init script. I have defined start) and stop). I want to define restart. Is their a way for restart to just call first stop, then start, or do I have to write out all the commands again? |
| 18:47.49 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: make sure testing is working correctly ..before upgrading :) |
| 18:47.55 | Anthro | mtnman: Mm, yeah, that'd make sense. Is it actually dpkg that presents that, or some other package? |
| 18:48.00 | Blissex | lesouvage: I have some sample shell scripts, a bit advanced perhaps, here: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Cfg/shell/ |
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| 18:48.07 | Overfiend | Squawk: eh? Yeah... |
| 18:48.21 | Overfiend | Squawk: case "$1" in |
| 18:48.24 | Overfiend | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:48.26 | mtnman | anthro: dunno, but i'd guess dpkg. |
| 18:48.31 | Overfiend | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:48.33 | abrotman | Overfiend: just paste it all! |
| 18:48.37 | abrotman | :) |
| 18:48.38 | Overfiend | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:48.38 | Overfiend | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:48.41 | abrotman | faster! |
| 18:48.45 | Overfiend | This isn't pasting |
| 18:48.48 | Overfiend | I'm typing this. |
| 18:48.49 | Overfiend | esac |
| 18:48.56 | Squawk | thanks |
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| 18:49.12 | dfinn_ | mtnman: I just checked and the apache postinst script does in fact restart apache |
| 18:49.12 | lesouvage | Blissex: thanks |
| 18:49.25 | mtnman | dfinn_: nice to find out for sure... |
| 18:49.31 | dfinn_ | mtnman: and so does qmail |
| 18:49.32 | Overfiend | Squawk: be careful, though. Anything that happens outside the case...esac may have side effects. |
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| 18:49.44 | Overfiend | Squawk: ideally, the case switches would just call shell functions |
| 18:49.55 | Overfiend | Squawk: then you wouldn't have to fool with that "$0" stuff. |
| 18:50.20 | dfinn_ | mtnman: as does courier |
| 18:50.36 | dswanson1 | abrotman: do you have the patience to help me again? |
| 18:50.38 | mtnman | dfinn_: well, i did suggest to check and find out. now you have done so... |
| 18:50.42 | dfinn_ | mtnman: from what I've seen almost all debian packages that run as daemons get restarted when you install/upgrade them |
| 18:50.43 | abrotman | dswanson1: no way! .. yes way! |
| 18:50.49 | dswanson1 | lol |
| 18:50.59 | cOff3ebuZz | where are kernel sources installed to? |
| 18:51.07 | abrotman | /usr/src/ |
| 18:51.18 | abrotman | dswanson1: what's up ? |
| 18:51.22 | cOff3ebuZz | is kernel-headers the source? |
| 18:51.26 | dfinn_ | does anyone else have an opinion on whether or not upgrading something like libapache-mod-ssl should or should not restart apache? |
| 18:51.28 | abrotman | no .. that's the headers :) |
| 18:51.43 | cOff3ebuZz | oih crap n/m |
| 18:51.44 | abrotman | dfinn_: i think it should! . but i'm not the apache maintainer |
| 18:51.48 | cOff3ebuZz | its tared, have to untar it lol |
| 18:51.49 | mtnman | dfinn_: i it corrected regarding apache restarting on upgrade. does this answer your original question? |
| 18:52.02 | dswanson1 | abrotman: dpkg loves to torture me... i'm trying to get the sound working, and the only sticky point is dpkg's step 0: determine which module to use |
| 18:52.17 | abrotman | dswanson1: which kernel .. and which sound driver system ? |
| 18:52.23 | dfinn_ | mtnman: i don't understand what you wrote. so no. |
| 18:52.36 | dfinn_ | i wrote the package maintainer because I think it should restart it |
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| 18:52.49 | dswanson1 | abrotman: isapnp |
| 18:52.53 | abrotman | eegads! |
| 18:53.00 | abrotman | aren't you using VirtualPC ? |
| 18:53.17 | dswanson1 | MS VM emulates the BS 16 ISA PnP |
| 18:53.21 | mtnman | dswanson1: i suggest you disable pnp on the card via jumper and use hardcoded irq, and io settings |
| 18:53.25 | dswanson1 | yes |
| 18:53.29 | abrotman | dswanson1: no .. really ? |
| 18:53.41 | abrotman | mtnman: VirtualPC .. not a real machine |
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| 18:53.50 | mtnman | ah |
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| 18:53.51 | abrotman | oh .. this looks promising |
| 18:54.03 | eRASIO | What does mcrypt crypt with per default? blowfish 256bit? |
| 18:54.05 | abrotman | dswanson1: you can't pick a better card ? |
| 18:54.16 | dswanson1 | LoL, but we did so well on the rest, abrotman :) |
| 18:54.23 | abrotman | dswanson1: the last person using isapnp died in 2002 :) |
| 18:54.32 | Blissex | dswanson1: all sound problems solved in the troubleshooting section of: http://tinyurl.com/4ogk2 |
| 18:54.38 | dswanson1 | abrotman: MS VM gives me no options |
| 18:54.53 | abrotman | dswanson1: and if you run `lspci` .. there are no sound items listed ? |
| 18:55.05 | abrotman | Blissex: that covers isapnp ? |
| 18:55.07 | dswanson1 | abrotman: bingo |
| 18:55.23 | Blissex | abrotman: thats a driver issue, not a sound issue :-) |
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| 18:55.58 | abrotman | Blissex: you said it would cover it! |
| 18:56.04 | abrotman | !isapnp |
| 18:56.04 | dpkg | from memory, isapnp is a nifty utility that lets you configure your ISA PnP cards (which themselves are evil) in linux, or apt-get install isapnptools then pnpdump, or http://www.roestock.demon.co.uk/isapnptools/ |
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| 18:57.02 | dswanson1 | abrotman: who says i BOUGHT it? ;) |
| 18:57.15 | stew | maybe its easier to emulate broken video cards :) |
| 18:57.18 | WhiteRabbit | so you're a thief & we should watch out for you? |
| 18:57.21 | abrotman | you may not pay for your software .. i do |
| 18:57.31 | abrotman | but jeez .. at least steal something useful/good :) |
| 18:57.38 | dswanson1 | i'm just evaluating it |
| 18:57.42 | abrotman | sure sure :) |
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| 18:57.45 | WhiteRabbit | ;)~ |
| 18:57.51 | abrotman | dswanson1: maybe evaluate co-linux or vmware ? |
| 18:58.01 | abrotman | !colinux |
| 18:58.01 | dpkg | [colinux] http://colinux.org/. Cooperative Linux is the first working free and open source method for optimally running Linux on Microsoft Windows natively. More generally, Cooperative Linux (short-named coLinux) is a port of the Linux kernel that allows it to run cooperatively alongside another operating system on a single machine. For instance, it allows one to freely run Linux on Windows 2000/XP, without using a commercial PC ... |
| 18:58.12 | dswanson1 | i have VM ware downloaded, too |
| 18:58.14 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 18:58.29 | abrotman | alternately .. install linux .. and run windows in vmware :) |
| 18:58.35 | valdyn | dswanson1: linux was ported _to_ windows too, not sure hwo that port is maintained though |
| 18:58.38 | abrotman | dswanson1: but the isapnp factoid is your best bet |
| 18:58.39 | eRASIO | What does mcrypt crypt with per default? blowfish 256bit? If yes how long does 256bit actually take to crack/decrypt? how strong is it |
| 18:58.42 | WhiteRabbit | how is that colinux? |
| 18:58.47 | dswanson1 | i'm just not looking forward to yet another sarge update via dial-up |
| 18:58.53 | valdyn | WhiteRabbit: works nicely |
| 18:59.12 | abrotman | dswanson1: you could order a set of CDs :) |
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| 19:00.09 | dswanson1 | abrotman: i'm terminally unemployed and broke |
| 19:00.11 | teledat | hi folks |
| 19:00.15 | abrotman | dswanson1: oh .. ok |
| 19:00.19 | teledat | how can i mount a bin/cue image? |
| 19:00.31 | shay | teledat, mount -o loop |
| 19:00.42 | abrotman | dswanson1: the isapnp sucks to get working .. but usually will work |
| 19:00.45 | shay | teledat, and load the 'loop' kernel module |
| 19:00.46 | teledat | shay: isnt this just for .iso images? |
| 19:00.53 | shay | teledat, same.. |
| 19:01.15 | valdyn | teledat: convert it to an iso first ( apt-cache show bchunk ) |
| 19:01.22 | dswanson1 | abrotman: thanks... i have most of it figured out except for the kernel module i should use |
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| 19:02.33 | abrotman | dswanson1: i think it's just called 'sb' |
| 19:02.40 | abrotman | where's shingouz when you have old hardware! |
| 19:03.19 | dswanson1 | abrotman: a place to start! that's what i needed |
| 19:03.23 | dswanson1 | thanks |
| 19:03.34 | abrotman | !isapnp |
| 19:03.35 | dpkg | well, isapnp is a nifty utility that lets you configure your ISA PnP cards (which themselves are evil) in linux, or apt-get install isapnptools then pnpdump, or http://www.roestock.demon.co.uk/isapnptools/ |
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| 19:05.02 | OldakQuill | Hey, I just "apt-get upgrade" after not doing it for a while - got KDE 3.4 etc. But now I get a message "Protocol not supported Devices" |
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| 19:06.20 | eRASIO | What does mcrypt crypt with per default? blowfish 256bit? If yes how long does 256bit actually take to crack/decrypt? how strong is it |
| 19:06.28 | OldakQuill | I am trying to access my CD drive. When I do it directly I get "An error occurred while loading audiocd:/: Could not read /." |
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| 19:08.50 | stew | reading /. is waste of time anyway |
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| 19:09.06 | OldakQuill | Hmm, just got to my CD drive via media:/ |
| 19:09.37 | abrotman | stew: ? |
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| 19:10.13 | stew | abrotman: look at the end of OldakQuill's original error, (it was a poor attempt at a joke) |
| 19:10.31 | abrotman | oh |
| 19:10.50 | OldakQuill | Ah hah! |
| 19:10.51 | OldakQuill | :) |
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| 19:11.48 | N0S3 | "screen" is a very good tool |
| 19:12.02 | Lee__ | alright, what's up with aic-79xx and sarge? No version will detect my disks. |
| 19:12.09 | N0S3 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:12.18 | Petaris | Are there issues with cdrecord 2.1.1a03 in debian testing? |
| 19:12.44 | MASoft | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:12.47 | streuner | Petaris: check out BTS |
| 19:13.07 | OldakQuill | How long has KDE3.4 been out/ |
| 19:13.18 | Petaris | struner: What is BTS? |
| 19:13.20 | cheal | OldakQuill: about 7 months |
| 19:13.21 | streuner | Petaris: /msg dpkg bts |
| 19:13.45 | streuner | dpkg, why is foo not in testing? |
| 19:13.46 | dpkg | foo is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=foo |
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| 19:14.08 | Petaris | streuner: thanks |
| 19:14.19 | OldakQuill | Lol. |
| 19:14.26 | OldakQuill | I've been on 3.3 for ages |
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| 19:15.48 | abrotman | anyone know a good PHB article on why you don't run daemons as root ? |
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| 19:17.18 | Loevborg | Is there a way to have a ssh user that can only do port forwarding, but not login to the machine? |
| 19:18.02 | gnufan | Loevborg, why not just use iptables? |
| 19:18.39 | Loevborg | gnufan, I want to do a reverse ssh tunnel |
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| 19:20.55 | Mr-R | abrotman: some of the docs or background information on http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/index.cfm? but i am not sure if its PHB compatible |
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| 19:21.22 | meriad | how do I use Tcpdump to capture all traffic on a specific interface and store it in pcap so i can view it in ethercap later. |
| 19:21.27 | abrotman | Mr-R: the guy is technical .. but still a PHB :) |
| 19:21.42 | hid3 | Evening everyone. Some offtopic issue here: I've an old computer (celeron 466 with 66 mhz fsb, M/b p6bat-b) and I've bought 256 PC133 SDRAM memory module. However, When I insert it and try to start the comp, it finds only 128 of the 256 megabytes. Is there anyting I can do? Maybe something is configurable in the bios to bypass this strange limit? |
| 19:21.45 | abrotman | Mr-R: thanks |
| 19:21.59 | abrotman | hid3: #hardware |
| 19:22.07 | hid3 | thanks |
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| 19:23.40 | MrHart | hi, can someone tell me how to install teamspeak |
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| 19:24.57 | andax | is it possible under linux that i buy 2 monitors and 2 vga cards so that i have the desktop extended on 2 displays? |
| 19:25.05 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: yoyoyo |
| 19:25.21 | andax | i'm like running out of display space |
| 19:25.29 | Blissex | andax: yes of course. |
| 19:25.49 | andax | Blissex: can you tell me some good words for google on this topic? |
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| 19:25.52 | Blissex | andax: also, most modern cards support tow displays without the need to buy a second card. |
| 19:26.01 | Blissex | andax: "dual head" |
| 19:26.06 | andax | thanks |
| 19:26.30 | gnufan | abrotman, surely if he is "technical" then it is very obvious why not to run daemons as root (or at least to have them running as root continuously, some start as root). |
| 19:26.42 | Blissex | andax: ideally, get two LCDs with a dual-LCD monitor stand, a bit expensive but very cool. |
| 19:27.02 | jaap_ | Hi, anyone using fail2ban? |
| 19:27.15 | andax | Blissex: that's what i'm trying to do :) |
| 19:27.16 | MrHart | hi, can someone tell me how to install teamspeak? |
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| 19:30.33 | tomasherout | Hi, I've trouble with sudo. Pls, can somebody help me? |
| 19:30.33 | andax | i have so many windows open at the same time and i have to keep changing between virtual desktops, or just keep pressing alt+f7 f8 f9.. it's unproductive :) |
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| 19:30.50 | menace | If i install java with the article from debian-administration.org, have i to use the java 1.5. package, or can i use the version 1.4.2 instead? |
| 19:30.50 | Blissex | MrHart: you install the package and then configure it -- there are quite a few TeamSpeak HOWTOs online. |
| 19:30.50 | stew | menace: yes those instructions should work for any java that appears in /usr/share/doc/java-package/SUPPORTED |
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| 19:30.51 | menace | stew, thanks |
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| 19:31.08 | gapler | hey if I buy PC133 512mb ECC DIMM and my mobo doesn`t support ECC ... would it work but without ECC or won`t it work at all ? |
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| 19:31.56 | bop1 | hey.. i connected my linux to a switch and my windows to the same switch but i cant ping each other |
| 19:31.56 | bop1 | doesnt even get arp replies to arp requests |
| 19:32.17 | tomasherout | Use someone groups sudo? (GID 27) |
| 19:32.21 | bop1 | any ieda? |
| 19:32.59 | pureone | bop1 can it both machines ping google.com ? |
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| 19:34.14 | bop1 | no, only the windows is connect to the internet thru adsl |
| 19:34.14 | bop1 | the linux i just connected to the switch |
| 19:34.14 | bop1 | but i cant ping the windows, so obviously i cant get on the internet |
| 19:34.15 | pureone | s/it// |
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| 19:34.18 | deadcat | bop1: make sure they in the same network. double check ips |
| 19:34.19 | jaap_ | gapler: I guess not, ECC is tricky that way |
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| 19:34.45 | bop1 | i did, 1 has 192.168.0.3/24, the other is 192.168.0.4/24 |
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| 19:35.05 | EdibleText | bop1, is the windows XP? |
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| 19:35.12 | pureone | bop1 you never know, sometimes i do something wrong in my network and some machines cant ping outside but can ping machines inside the network and vice versa |
| 19:35.49 | Benvolio | anyone know why the "edit file type" in krusader wouldn't work? |
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| 19:36.01 | bop1 | pureone the linux isnt connected to the internet how can i ping google :D |
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| 19:36.02 | Bac9 | wow netsplit |
| 19:36.02 | Bac9 | 10 people in #debian |
| 19:36.18 | eRASIO | Just a simple question. How long can it take to decrypt/crack/break a SSL 4048bit encryption? |
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| 19:36.35 | bop1 | eRASIO you cant |
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| 19:36.47 | eeyore- | bop1: same broadcase/netmask? check. "ipconfig /all" for windows |
| 19:36.50 | bop1 | eRASIO you can issue a MiTM attack though |
| 19:36.54 | deadcat | bop1: can you ping OWN_IP ? |
| 19:36.55 | bop1 | eeyore- yea same |
| 19:36.59 | bop1 | deadcat yup |
| 19:37.04 | bop1 | probably fucked up nic |
| 19:37.10 | bop1 | i just got an error |
| 19:37.13 | eeyore- | bop1: wiggle the cables :-) |
| 19:37.18 | deadcat | bop1: ya. or switch (= |
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| 19:37.22 | Bac9 | nice netsplit, for a while there there were only 10 people here |
| 19:37.24 | bop1 | eth0: transmit time out |
| 19:37.46 | eeyore- | bop1: mmm, conflicting interrupts? |
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| 19:38.31 | EdibleText | bop1, can you ping windows to linux? |
| 19:38.33 | freebse | hi, I need a link for apt ... nvidia kernel sources... all sources I can find are outdated |
| 19:38.51 | eeyore- | EdibleText: if he gets transmit timeout there won't be a reply |
| 19:39.01 | gnufan | bop1, I had one the other day where there was a bridge interface in XP with the same IP, didn't show up in ipconfig, but it was in 192.168.0/24 |
| 19:39.31 | lesouvage | EdibleText: you can ping everything with an ip number |
| 19:39.43 | bop1 | nope |
| 19:39.50 | EdibleText | EdibleText, eeyore- true. but we dont know how many variables there are. |
| 19:39.57 | eeyore- | bop1: i'd fix your interrupt assignments first |
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| 19:40.12 | eeyore- | bop1: start swapping pci cards around :-) disable onboard devices you don't need, etc. |
| 19:41.04 | Thanatermesis | XML code: i can posible to use value="*scanner*" ? <ivm:Match name="hal.info.category" value="scanner"> |
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| 19:41.25 | bop1 | eeyore- no interrupts conflicts |
| 19:41.51 | EdibleText | !ping lesouvage |
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| 19:42.14 | dpower | eheh |
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| 19:43.40 | tomasherout | Pls., read this: http://195.113.197.36/~tomasherout/sudo.htm |
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| 19:45.31 | madclicker | looking for xmms-kde for etch |
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| 19:46.00 | mlewis00 | Where do I start if I want to use the lmsensors interface? I'm running a stock Debian 2.6 kernel... |
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| 19:46.59 | dpower | Thanatermesis: #xml |
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| 19:47.59 | DrFoo|Wrk | how can i specify to a configure script where a lib resides when it's not in a standard location? |
| 19:48.10 | cheal | mlewis00: install lm-sensors |
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| 19:49.08 | mlewis00 | cheal: It is not in Sarge (apt-cache search lmsensors=null)...I thought it was supposed to be integrated into the 2.6 kernel. |
| 19:49.10 | eeyore- | DrFoo|Wrk: ./configure --help; then ./configure --with-.... usually, but could be some other |
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| 19:49.25 | mlewis00 | cheal: Oh :) lm-sensors |
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| 19:49.33 | eeyore- | DrFoo|Wrk: example: ./configure --with-opengl=/opt/... |
| 19:49.38 | DrFoo|Wrk | eeyore-: i'll try that. i was reading at http://www.airs.com/ian/configure |
| 19:49.48 | mlewis00 | cheal: Tahnks, I'm half gone or something... |
| 19:50.11 | cheal | mlewis00: hehe, there are some drivers for it in the kernel, but there is a user-space part too |
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| 19:51.06 | mlewis00 | cheal: I thought so but messed up the spelling... :) Thanks... |
| 19:51.10 | naphex | Hi. I'm trying to connect a dell laptop and a cellphone through irda. irda0 is up (without errors in syslog after executing /etc/init.d/irda-utils start), but irdadump only detects traffic coming from the computer, nothing coming from the phone. Can anyone help finding out what happens? |
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| 19:52.06 | samuel | anyone know how i can get wireless access in a windows mobile pocket pc through my linux computer? |
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| 19:52.32 | de_mon | What tool can I use to convert html tables into ascii tables? |
| 19:52.53 | DrFoo|Wrk | eeyore-: would you specify the full path to the library (libcdk.a)? |
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| 19:53.21 | Vme | how can i mount from one linux box to another? |
| 19:53.25 | Vme | a drive |
| 19:53.32 | de_mon | vme yea use NFS |
| 19:53.41 | Vme | hrm |
| 19:53.52 | Vme | is that package installed by default? |
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| 19:54.09 | Vme | i only have nfsstat |
| 19:54.20 | eeyore- | DrFoo|Wrk: no, just to the directory containing it |
| 19:54.25 | DrFoo|Wrk | hm |
| 19:54.37 | de_mon | nope |
| 19:55.01 | Vme | what package do i need to install? |
| 19:55.13 | de_mon | you'll need nfs-client and nfs-server most likely (apt-cache search nfs) |
| 19:55.21 | Vme | yea |
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| 19:55.23 | Vme | i have those |
| 19:55.35 | samuel | anyone know how i can get wireless access in a windows mobile pocket pc through my linux computer? *using bluetooth* - sorry |
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| 19:56.26 | Vyrus001 | samuel: yea |
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| 19:56.36 | Dark_Lord | Why isn't "." put in the PATH? Security is the reason often cited — if someone were to put a trojan horse program into, say the world-writeable /tmp directory, it may be possible to get another user to inadvertently execute this program. |
| 19:56.45 | samuel | Vyrus001, could you please tell me? |
| 19:56.55 | Dark_Lord | Hi there, can anyone explain to me? |
| 19:57.01 | samuel | ive bluetooth up and running, but i cant connect to the device |
| 19:57.05 | Vyrus001 | samuel: well wait no :p I dont know how to do it but suposedly if u get bluetooth running u just run iptables to it |
| 19:57.23 | Vyrus001 | samuel: lol sorry i didnt read ure question compleatly |
| 19:57.24 | dondelelcaro | Dark_Lord: any time you run an untrusted command, someone can completely take over your account. |
| 19:57.28 | Dark_Lord | If you put trojan in tmp, the user doesnt have root privileges |
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| 19:57.43 | Dark_Lord | so cant either execute it |
| 19:57.44 | dondelelcaro | Dark_Lord: yes, but now the trojan can run anything it wants as the user. |
| 19:58.15 | dondelelcaro | Dark_Lord: so if the user ever logs into another system, or uses sudo, or does anything else, their passwords can be read. |
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| 19:58.41 | samuel | Vyrus001, wireless is easy - i just cant figure it out over bluetooth |
| 19:58.45 | cheal | !php5 |
| 19:58.46 | dpkg | php5 is currently only available in unstable. if you require php5 for sarge, first check your head, then ask me about <dotdeb>, however, if you use dotdeb packages you are on your own. |
| 19:58.47 | Dark_Lord | Ah so |
| 19:58.50 | Dark_Lord | Thats it |
| 19:58.57 | cheal | dpkg: no, php5 is <reply> if you require php5 for sarge, first check your head, then ask me about <dotdeb> for unofficial packages. if you use dotdeb packages you are on your own. |
| 19:58.57 | Dark_Lord | Thanks for explanation |
| 19:58.57 | dpkg | okay, cheal |
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| 19:59.13 | Dark_Lord | But why the .?? |
| 19:59.20 | dondelelcaro | Dark_Lord: . = CWD |
| 19:59.34 | dondelelcaro | Dark_Lord: ls .; and be enlightened |
| 19:59.39 | Dark_Lord | I know, but Isnt that the same as |
| 19:59.46 | dan | Hello... would anyone here be able to help a linux newbie configure the gui on debian ppc? |
| 19:59.50 | Dark_Lord | su as ./su?? |
| 19:59.56 | Dark_Lord | to type |
| 20:00.04 | Dark_Lord | ?? |
| 20:00.14 | Dark_Lord | Isnt that similar easy to type? |
| 20:00.15 | Vyrus001 | samuel: achording to others its possible but i have no real world experiance with blue tooth... sorry |
| 20:00.19 | dondelelcaro | Dark_Lord: yes, but you'd have to explicitely choose to run ./su; with . in your PATH, ./su may be run in preference to the real su. |
| 20:00.21 | dpower | dan: do you have a specific question? |
| 20:01.07 | dan | well, sorta: I've got debian installed (netinst from the businesscard cd) and i can get to a prompt. allthe packages i need (personal desktop) are installed, but I can't seem to get the x window system up and running. |
| 20:01.11 | samuel | Vyrus001, thanks anyways |
| 20:01.23 | Dark_Lord | Yes, but I think the probability that the user types ./su isnt much lower that the one if he types only su |
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| 20:01.37 | dan | i'm on a powerbook titanium 400, with a screen resolution of 1152x768, which isn't standard, so the autoconfig won't work. 8 megs vram. |
| 20:01.50 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: php5 is also ask me about info php5 sid; or info php5 testing; if you're looking for php5 packages in unstable or testing. |
| 20:01.51 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 20:02.00 | Dark_Lord | So I'd say it doesnt matter if you include . in your PATH |
| 20:02.08 | dondelelcaro | Dark_Lord: if the user is executing a ./su that way, the user is stupid. |
| 20:02.33 | phm | did anyone try to compile libwww-based applications in Debian testing? like examples from libwww-dev package, I can't get them compiled because of some strange #include conflict |
| 20:02.39 | dondelelcaro | Dark_Lord: . will work in any directory, overriding commands that are at a lower priority in the PATH; ./su executes a specific su in a specific directory. |
| 20:02.58 | stew | having . in your path is not a good idea |
| 20:03.15 | dondelelcaro | yeah, having . in your path is absolutely insane. |
| 20:03.16 | Dark_Lord | stew: Why? |
| 20:03.26 | Dark_Lord | I still cant see why |
| 20:03.27 | dondelelcaro | Dark_Lord: again, for the reasons which I've laboriously explained above. |
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| 20:03.39 | Dark_Lord | I havent understood it well |
| 20:03.59 | dondelelcaro | Dark_Lord: if you can't see why excuting a script that can completely take over your account simply by typing the name of a common command is bad, there's not much I can do to help. |
| 20:04.32 | Dark_Lord | If I type for instance trojan (assuming trojan is the name of the binary) and then if I type ./trojan |
| 20:04.40 | Dark_Lord | isnt that nearly the same? |
| 20:04.46 | dondelelcaro | Dark_Lord: lets assume that the name of the trojan is ls. |
| 20:04.51 | stew | Dark_Lord: lets say someone was able to put a file named "ls" into your / directory. and that file looked like this, "#!/bin/sh \n rm -rf /", then if you ever did "cd /; ls" as root, you would wipe your root partition |
| 20:04.52 | dondelelcaro | Dark_Lord: now do you see the point? |
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| 20:05.24 | stew | right back at ya |
| 20:05.29 | Dark_Lord | Aaaaaaaaaaahaa |
| 20:05.32 | Dark_Lord | I see now:-) |
| 20:06.08 | Dark_Lord | So its due to the fact the malicious user names it the same as common utils |
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| 20:06.23 | Dark_Lord | Am I right? |
| 20:06.32 | dondelelcaro | Dark_Lord: the trojan can be called anything that the user thinks is going to be run. |
| 20:06.41 | Dark_Lord | Yup, I see now |
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| 20:06.52 | Dark_Lord | Thats it, due to the same names |
| 20:07.11 | Dark_Lord | with utils used commonly |
| 20:07.18 | Dark_Lord | ?? |
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| 20:07.42 | stew | s/commonly/ever/ |
| 20:08.12 | dondelelcaro | any time you execute a command that you don't trust explicitely, you're basically hoping that someone isn't going to totally take over your account |
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| 20:08.42 | madclicker | looking for xmms-kde for etch. can someone help abrother? |
| 20:09.13 | dondelelcaro | !info xmms-kde |
| 20:09.20 | dpkg | xmms-kde: (MP3 player integrated into the KDE panel), section sound, is optional. Version: 3.1-3 (sid), Packaged size: 443 kB, Installed size: 1180 kB |
| 20:09.21 | Dark_Lord | But you must be root |
| 20:09.23 | stew | madclicker: it was likely removed to allow the kde 3.4 transiation to happen. |
| 20:09.28 | dondelelcaro | Dark_Lord: no, you can be any user. |
| 20:09.33 | Dark_Lord | to ruin the system |
| 20:09.45 | Dark_Lord | otherwise you cant ruin it |
| 20:09.46 | stew | madclicker: it will be back in etch in a few weeks, or you can try cherry picking the package from sid |
| 20:09.50 | dondelelcaro | Dark_Lord: yes, but once you take over an account, it's not that hard to eventually become root. |
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| 20:09.57 | dondelelcaro | esp. if the user already has root. |
| 20:10.16 | Dark_Lord | aha |
| 20:10.22 | madclicker | stew, dondelelcaro , thanks |
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| 20:10.55 | Dark_Lord | dondelelcaro: Thanks for explanation |
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| 20:12.24 | madclicker | stew, is it the same thing with amarok? |
| 20:12.36 | stew | madclicker: if that is compiled against kdelibs, yes |
| 20:12.43 | madclicker | roger |
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| 20:14.06 | Dark_Lord | So imagine this: I make trojan, name it ls and put in in /tmp as a non-root user. And then if root types ls and is in the /tmp, he'd ruin the system |
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| 20:14.37 | FinnTux | only if he has . in his path |
| 20:14.39 | Dark_Lord | if . is in the PATH, of course |
| 20:14.43 | Dark_Lord | yup |
| 20:14.55 | FinnTux | who would be that stupid? :) |
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| 20:15.10 | Dark_Lord | Well, me probably until now:-) |
| 20:15.17 | Dark_Lord | I didnt know that |
| 20:15.24 | Dark_Lord | that its that dangerous |
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| 20:17.03 | Jacky^ | hi |
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| 20:17.28 | Jacky^ | anyone know how to increase buffer memory in a terminal ? |
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| 20:17.59 | Jacky^ | to get bigger memory to scroll text |
| 20:18.00 | bsims | hrm freenx isn't in sid yet? or do I have get it from alioth? |
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| 20:19.41 | cahoot | Jacky^: like xterm*SaveLines: 2000 (for xterm) |
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| 20:20.02 | Jacky^ | cahoot: thanks |
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| 20:20.30 | Dark_Lord | But all that assumes the . is at the beginning of PATH, doesnt it?? |
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| 20:20.45 | Dark_Lord | If its at the end it doesnt matter |
| 20:20.56 | comptoyou_ | can some one guide me on how to install manual package ? |
| 20:21.04 | Dark_Lord | after the /bin, /sbin stuff |
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| 20:22.02 | doublehp | "sidplay - Music player for tunes from C64 and C128 (console)" - What are C64 and C128 ? |
| 20:22.02 | comptoyou_ | hello stew |
| 20:22.02 | Dark_Lord | So maybe it isnt that dangerous to put . at the end |
| 20:22.03 | stew | hullo? |
| 20:22.05 | Dark_Lord | stew: is that right? |
| 20:22.05 | stew | comptoyou_: dpkg -i packagename? |
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| 20:22.18 | Frem | doublehp, C-64 computers, maybe? |
| 20:22.33 | FinnTux | Dark_Lord, it matters but as you said not as dangerous |
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| 20:22.47 | Dark_Lord | yup, Finntux, thanks |
| 20:22.56 | comptoyou_ | stew Im running base-config now |
| 20:22.58 | notty | hello, i have a big problem with an fs.. it gave some errors and lost all the data, now there is only one directory (lost+found) with a lot of directory's starting with # and all the data is in them but verry random... is there a way to make it a little more useble ? |
| 20:23.24 | FinnTux | root might make types ls -> la -> la is the trojan in current dir |
| 20:23.29 | resiak | notty: Move all the data back into the right place. Your FS had some kind of catastrophic error. What filesystem were you using, out of interest? |
| 20:23.30 | FinnTux | typos* lol |
| 20:23.42 | stew | Dark_Lord: i'm not sure, for one thing, what happens when you mean to type ls but you type lls by mistake |
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| 20:23.51 | OldakQuill | When I try "m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200" I just get 'E: Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386' |
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| 20:23.56 | notty | resiak: ext3, how can i move the data in the right places ? |
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| 20:24.00 | resiak | notty: mv |
| 20:24.04 | stew | Dark_Lord: and i dunno which happens if you have a ./foo that is the same name as a shell function |
| 20:24.11 | resiak | notty: Probably be quicker to restore from your backups |
| 20:24.13 | stew | i guess the shell function gets priority |
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| 20:24.58 | notty | resiak: how can i find the data ? there are 10000.. of directorys that has 1-2 files of the original fs |
| 20:25.05 | stew | comptoyou_: i'm not sure i understand your question |
| 20:25.08 | ch1p | any suggestions for XF86config-4 for a Toshiba Satellite 110CT laptop? chips&tech65xxx 800X600 screen - how much memory? |
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| 20:25.31 | stew | Dark_Lord: or what happens when you try to run a command for a program that wasn't installed |
| 20:25.33 | deadcat | ch1p: time to go xorg maybe |
| 20:25.35 | resiak | notty: Like I said, you're probably better off restoring from backup. |
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| 20:25.57 | comptoyou_ | im trying to figure out on how to install indivitual package in debian |
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| 20:26.07 | ch1p | deadcat: thats not like freeBSD is it? |
| 20:26.08 | Chance | hello |
| 20:26.10 | Chance | question |
| 20:26.13 | resiak | comptoyou_: dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 20:26.16 | resiak | Answer. HTH HAND |
| 20:26.19 | Chance | i have made an iptablkes with NAT and so on |
| 20:26.22 | deadcat | ch1p: no. |
| 20:26.25 | notty | resiak: i need the data there, at least the mysql db and some files in /var/www and the emails |
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| 20:26.37 | OldakQuill | When I attempt 'apt-get install kernel-source-$(uname -r)' I get the response "E: Couldn't find package kernel-source-2.6.8-2-386" |
| 20:26.42 | NoFutureKid | hello |
| 20:26.45 | Chance | now i try to connect from external to the real ip but it doesn't work |
| 20:26.51 | Chance | anyone has any ideea why ? |
| 20:26.58 | ch1p | deadcat: ...ummmm ....ah ...uh ..... |
| 20:27.08 | jaap_ | Chance: packets getting dropped? |
| 20:27.16 | resiak | notty: Good luck. This is why backups are essential. I don't know of any tool that will help you to restore the original tree, but debugfs might help |
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| 20:27.30 | Chance | jaap_ they aren't |
| 20:27.54 | Chance | jaap_ my guess is that they are somehow forawarded into the internal network |
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| 20:29.08 | stew | OldakQuill: 2.6.8 was removed from etch, its deprecated in favor of linux-{image,headers}-2.6.12-1-386 |
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| 20:31.12 | Anthro | Anyone know why 2.6.13 hasn't made it into unstable from experimental? Is it some particular architecture having trouble? |
| 20:31.24 | jaap_ | Chance, sorry the net is borking at me :-/ |
| 20:31.46 | cheal | Anthro: 2.6.14 is in sid now |
| 20:31.51 | _rene_ | Anthro: no idea. but .14 already is in unstable, so.. |
| 20:32.00 | deadcat | my 2.6.14 has problem during boot. "freeing kernel memory" what up? |
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| 20:32.22 | keikoz|1664 | that's normal i guess |
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| 20:32.29 | Anthro | cheal, _rene_: Hunh. I guess 2.6.13 got skipped. Oh, well. That'll work for me. |
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| 20:32.56 | Chance | jaap |
| 20:33.03 | Chance | can we talk in private ? |
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| 20:33.19 | jaap_ | If the net lets me, :-/ |
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| 20:33.55 | _rene_ | identify yourself. |
| 20:34.00 | jaap_ | Chance; haven't got my iptables manuals handy anyway :-( |
| 20:34.16 | ch1p | deadcat: is x.org for newer machines? |
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| 20:34.56 | misq | hello |
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| 20:35.12 | misq | who is from poland ?? |
| 20:35.13 | jaap_ | Thanx _rene_, working with a new client, getting there :-) |
| 20:35.21 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: ping! |
| 20:35.22 | jaap_ | Hang on a minute |
| 20:35.27 | Chance | jaap_ i can't even ping the server |
| 20:35.29 | deadcat | ch1p: xorg is basically xfree but with diff license and shit |
| 20:35.31 | Chance | and there is no icmp rule to block it |
| 20:35.41 | misq | no one ? |
| 20:35.41 | deadcat | ch1p: better shipset support i think |
| 20:35.54 | deadcat | my 2.6.14 has problem during boot. "freeing kernel memory", seen this before? |
| 20:36.08 | deadcat | it just waits there |
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| 20:36.43 | madclicker | is there any other sound server besides alsa |
| 20:36.44 | madclicker | ? |
| 20:36.58 | deadcat | alsa is a sound server? |
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| 20:37.13 | zOrK | a sound daemon |
| 20:37.16 | misq | ok i have sapphire radeon X800GT PCI Express 16x and don't know what i should install and configure drivers |
| 20:37.22 | madclicker | alsa sound mixer/deamon |
| 20:37.23 | zOrK | apt-get install alsa alsa-utils |
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| 20:37.36 | zOrK | and then alsaconf to configure u're sound card |
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| 20:38.10 | madclicker | zOrK, is there any others, alsa seem to act up with my sounblaster live 5.1 |
| 20:38.11 | Blissex | misq: #ATI best place to start. if you want 3D acceleration you must use the 'fglrx' drivers. |
| 20:38.24 | madclicker | i cant get the rear speakers working |
| 20:38.27 | zOrK | madclicker, it should be |
| 20:38.35 | zOrK | ic |
| 20:38.41 | dpower | Where can i download debian installer for floppies |
| 20:38.45 | liran_ | ok here's the thing, i installed woody, then dist-upgraded to current and yesterday upgraded the kernel to 2.6.8-2-i686 though it keeps freezing all the time (which is not the case with the old 2.4.18bf2.4 which i'm on now) |
| 20:38.49 | deadcat | dpower: debian.org |
| 20:38.53 | zOrK | maybe u don't start alsa daemon at /etc/init.d/alsa start |
| 20:38.54 | zOrK | ? |
| 20:38.58 | Blissex | madclicker: http://tinyurl.com/4ogk2 the troubleshooting section, the subsection on multichannel setup |
| 20:39.14 | Blissex | zOrK: there is no ALSA dæmon |
| 20:39.15 | deadcat | my 2.6.14 has problem during boot. "freeing kernel memory", seen this before? |
| 20:39.21 | misq | OK i installed fglrx drivers but i haven't 3d acceleration . Why ?? |
| 20:39.23 | Blissex | deadcat: thats a feature. |
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| 20:39.34 | Blissex | misq: installing them right is not totally trivial. |
| 20:39.40 | deadcat | Blissex: so should i just wait? it just sits there. |
| 20:39.55 | enyc | misq: you may need to select the relevant driver in xserver config |
| 20:39.55 | Blissex | deadcat: that means its crashed... Bad news. |
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| 20:40.15 | deadcat | Blissex: that came after the ext3 stuff. what you think the problem is? |
| 20:40.22 | Blissex | misq: there are many 'fglrx' setup HOWTOs around. Some for Debian too. |
| 20:40.42 | Blissex | deadcat: no idea. Too little info. Could be hw problem or some missing module, guessing wildly. |
| 20:40.51 | misq | ok i'll read |
| 20:40.56 | misq | Thanks a lot |
| 20:41.00 | deadcat | Blissex: damn |
| 20:41.01 | liran_ | how can i remove the new 2.6.8-2 kernel? |
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| 20:41.22 | N0S3 | that he/she differs are there between the system webmin and usermin? |
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| 20:41.56 | deadcat | should make-kpkg create linux-image or kernel-image? |
| 20:42.02 | alp | slm turkey |
| 20:42.25 | cheal | deadcat: either I think. check the recent changelogs to be sure |
| 20:42.38 | deadcat | cheal: ok |
| 20:42.52 | cheal | liran_: uninstall the kernel image package |
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| 20:43.21 | liran_ | cheal, right. im doing it now. which new kernel should i use? i tried 2.6.8-2-686 but as i said it caused gnome to freeze all the time |
| 20:43.35 | alp | yanl0131zm0131y0131m lan ben burda |
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| 20:44.01 | madclicker | zOrK, when i run alsaconf, after its finished i get these weired pitch noises and clicking |
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| 20:44.24 | takatumi | madclicker: hence the nick? |
| 20:44.37 | cheal | liran_: 2.6.8-2-686 *is* a 2.6.8-2 variant. which release do you run? |
| 20:44.57 | madclicker | bah just left when i needed |
| 20:45.42 | liran_ | i installed woody then dist-upgraded to current and i installed yesterday that 2.6.8-2-686 but it caused this box to freeze all the time so i want to get some other 2.6 variant if its possible |
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| 20:46.22 | Fox_1_ | under kde when i open mc it doesn't show the lines. it show rectangles. what's the problem? |
| 20:46.26 | deadcat | Blissex: where in menuconfig is the freeing kernel memory section? |
| 20:46.39 | gapler | hey if I buy PC133 512mb ECC DIMM and my mobo doesn`t support ECC ... would it work but without ECC or won`t it work at all ? |
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| 20:46.45 | bucky | liran_, what kind of cpu do you have? |
| 20:46.47 | Blissex | deadcat: there isn't it is done automagically. |
| 20:46.55 | liran_ | bucky, its a P3 1000 with 196ram |
| 20:46.57 | deadcat | ah |
| 20:47.00 | Blissex | gapler: if the MB does not support it, it is ignored. |
| 20:47.19 | bucky | liran_, apt-cache search linux-image and choose another one |
| 20:47.22 | Blissex | gapler: so ECC memory works in non ECC motherboards. |
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| 20:47.29 | gapler | Blissex thnk god .. otherwise I bough 512 for nothing :P |
| 20:47.37 | N0S3 | what differs are there between the system webmin and usermin? |
| 20:47.51 | bucky | liran_, and btw did you apt-get dist-upgrade when you upgraded? |
| 20:48.00 | liran_ | bucky, yep i did |
| 20:48.06 | bucky | ok |
| 20:48.12 | liran_ | bucky, i do get sometimes 'packages held back' |
| 20:48.22 | cheal | liran_: if you mean that you dist-upgraded to sarge, 2.6.8-2 is the only version of 2.6 for sarge. and -686 is the best variant for your CPU |
| 20:49.09 | N0S3 | any differences ? |
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| 20:49.52 | liran_ | cheal, what to do then? |
| 20:50.09 | liran_ | maybe i installed it wrong.. |
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| 20:51.02 | cheal | liran_: if 2.4 isn't an option, try detailing the freezes you get |
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| 20:51.49 | liran_ | alright, i think ill get 2.6-686 |
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| 20:52.22 | cheal | liran_: that would just give you 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 20:52.35 | happy_broccoli | what is this new package verification stuff in apt- |
| 20:52.51 | liran_ | i see, and 386 is just a compiliation otherwise optimized, right? |
| 20:53.07 | Blissex | happy_broccoli: it is a hack, and you got to get GPG keys and load them. Easy usually. |
| 20:53.10 | bibe | dpkg, apt-secure |
| 20:53.11 | dpkg | [apt secure] in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://www.syntaxpolice.org/apt-secure/ ; until you perform the steps described on page 5, you will get warnings about packages that can't be authenticated, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174 |
| 20:53.34 | happy_broccoli | Blissex: USUALLY? i've been using debian for 5 years and never seen this. what do you mean usually |
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| 20:53.45 | Blissex | It is new... |
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| 20:53.52 | cheal | liran_: yes, or otherwise unoptimized |
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| 20:54.11 | Blissex | note that the DPKG factois has the wrong capitalization in: «gpg signatures of packages» |
| 20:54.25 | happy_broccoli | Blissex: do you know of a way i can google for this new feature |
| 20:54.29 | Blissex | the APT signatures verify the GPG signatures of Packages |
| 20:54.31 | bibe | happy_broccoli : usually means that everyone used to gpg keys won't have any problem with apt-secure |
| 20:54.54 | Blissex | happy_broccoli: look at the links listed above. |
| 20:55.08 | liran_ | cheal, i see. ok well im getting the 2.6.8-2-686 again. its asking me about puting some initrd config in lilo and if i want to stop now or continue...? |
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| 20:56.23 | bibe | liran_ : you have to install module-init-tools, if you didn't do it already, then reinstall kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
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| 20:56.48 | cheal | liran_: hum. I only use grub |
| 20:56.52 | Blissex | happy_broccoli: there is actually a way to sign '.deb' packages, but it seems very few people use that. What the new APT system does is to check the signatures of the 'Packages' lists, a rather different thing, but it is still fairly useful. |
| 20:57.05 | N0S3 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:57.54 | liran_ | ok thanks |
| 20:58.57 | liran_ | its not finding module-init-tools though |
| 20:59.15 | liran_ | oh i think its because i have it installed already |
| 20:59.30 | bibe | liran_ : what repositories are you using? |
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| 21:00.10 | vooduhal | Quick question all. Is there a way to remove a package and any files that depend on it. Specifically, I want to remove X and any X app. |
| 21:00.16 | liran_ | deb http://ftp.debian.nl/debian/ stable main non-free contrib |
| 21:00.31 | liran_ | thats' one |
| 21:00.37 | cheal | N0S3: yes |
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| 21:00.48 | bibe | liran_ : so you do have module-init-tools available |
| 21:00.49 | N0S3 | cheal: hello |
| 21:00.58 | liran_ | i think its already installed |
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| 21:01.15 | bibe | what does 'dpkg -l module-init-tools' return? |
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| 21:01.59 | N0S3 | cheal: whats is the diference between usermin and webmin? |
| 21:02.03 | liran_ | ii module-init-tools 3.2-pre1-2 tools for managing Linux kernel modules |
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| 21:02.16 | liran_ | maybe i should just run another aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 21:02.48 | bibe | liran_ : do you have a /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-2-686 file? |
| 21:03.03 | liran_ | nope. |
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| 21:03.21 | liran_ | as i said bibe, i remove that kernel just a few minutes ago. im now left with the old 2.4.18 that comes with woody |
| 21:03.26 | PoWeR_LoRd | hi everybody... |
| 21:03.34 | vooduhal | Quick question all. Is there a way to remove a package and any files that depend on it. Specifically, I want to remove X and any X app. |
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| 21:04.06 | bibe | vooduhal : apt-get remove |
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| 21:04.26 | PoWeR_LoRd | How can I change in linux under bash-shell the monitor resulotion-- 800x600@85HZ ?? |
| 21:04.33 | vooduhal | apt-get remove x-window-system doesn't remove things depending on it. |
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| 21:05.05 | doleyb | PoWeR_LoRd: xrandr -s 1 |
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| 21:05.43 | doleyb | PoWeR_LoRd: or really, xrandr -s 1;sleep 20;xrandr -s 0;man xrandr |
| 21:05.44 | azeem | vooduhal: this is expected, sort of |
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| 21:05.52 | madclicker | i am having issues with a soundblaster live 5.1 card. I uninstalled all sound drivers alsa/esound. Everytime my system boots i get this fuckin' loud highpitch sound. How can i disable sound ? |
| 21:05.54 | PoWeR_LoRd | thnx |
| 21:05.57 | azeem | vooduhal: removeing libx11-6 will go a long way, I guess |
| 21:05.59 | theD3viL | PoWeR_LoRd, nano /etc/X11/XF86Conf-4 |
| 21:06.27 | bibe | vooduhal : yes, it does, but there are no packages depending directly on x-window-system |
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| 21:06.37 | doleyb | madclicker: unplug speakers |
| 21:07.07 | madclicker | doleyb, i tought about it, but why is it doing this? |
| 21:07.25 | thc | theD3viL: do not advise users to edit that file |
| 21:07.38 | theD3viL | thc, why not? |
| 21:07.40 | m4lu7 | ughghghg. head spinning |
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| 21:07.50 | doleyb | madclicker: when during boot does it happen? |
| 21:08.09 | thc | !tell theD3viL about xmd5 |
| 21:08.21 | cyberWhiz | what does everybody use for connecting to aim? im looking for a gaim alternative |
| 21:08.26 | cheal | N0S3: check the package descriptions or their website |
| 21:08.40 | doleyb | cheal: there is kopete, everybuddy, naim, http://aimexpress.aol.com |
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| 21:09.02 | N0S3 | cheal: I have carried out what you told me |
| 21:09.11 | theD3viL | thc, didnt know that |
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| 21:09.20 | doleyb | cyberWhiz: there is kopete, everybuddy, naim, http://aimexpress.aol.com |
| 21:09.24 | N0S3 | cheal: but I don't find difference |
| 21:09.28 | theD3viL | thc, i always edit and have no probs |
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| 21:09.31 | MrSeb | hi, there is someone that know well ipsec? |
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| 21:10.13 | thc | theD3viL: whatever. don't advise users to do what you do, you're not the one who has to explain to them why dpkg-reconfigure isn't working anymore. |
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| 21:12.18 | cyberWhiz | doleyb: thanks -- you have a favorite? |
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| 21:12.36 | penguin | HOw does one move between two different windows in VIM? |
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| 21:12.48 | js_ | penguin: ctrl+w and the arrow buttons |
| 21:12.50 | theD3viL | thc, yes iam sorry..i just wanna help. Btw...do you HAVE to help? |
| 21:12.55 | js_ | penguin: #vim |
| 21:12.59 | doleyb | cyberWhiz: no, gaim is fine, but kopete is good if you use the rest of kde. (Kde has Konversation too). But I'm running gaim right now. |
| 21:13.13 | doleyb | cyberWhiz: naim is text console. |
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| 21:13.34 | cyberWhiz | doleyb: gaim always messes with my contact list, rearranges etc... very annoying |
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| 21:13.50 | thc | theD3viL: i don't have to do shit, but when i see a user telling another user to do something they shouldn't, i'm going to say something. |
| 21:13.53 | cyberWhiz | doleyb: but i dont run kde... i run xfce so i'll have to find one that doesn't require all of kde ;] |
| 21:13.54 | yoz- | hi guys.. I'm trying to get dspam working in debian. I installed it so far but I still don't have any history in the webui. any clue which file provides the history for $user? |
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| 21:14.20 | doleyb | cyberWhiz: there's nothing wrong with using http://aimexpress.aol.com, except that it won't keep any logs. |
| 21:14.24 | bibe | cyberWhiz : why don't you use a jabber client? you will have jabber, icq, aim and even yahoo and msn in the same client |
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| 21:14.39 | f31n | hello ... may anyone help me with my damn X? |
| 21:14.51 | bibe | I use psi, btw |
| 21:14.52 | lightbright | f31n: whats up? |
| 21:15.04 | f31n | im not able to reinstall it after my graphiccard chrashs |
| 21:15.25 | f31n | i tryed to use xorgconf but it dont work |
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| 21:15.45 | lightbright | every time my system it loads, it says: can't load shpchp. What does that mean? |
| 21:15.49 | thc | !drxx f31n |
| 21:15.50 | dpkg | f31n: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 21:15.51 | bibe | Gathond : gpg support is great, but I think gaim has it |
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| 21:16.07 | cyberWhiz | bibe: someone else suggested a jabber client... i haven't used icq in yrs... haha i guess it would be useful if i could remember my icq number ;] |
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| 21:16.11 | lightbright | !shpchp |
| 21:16.14 | cyberWhiz | bibe: maybe ill try that out |
| 21:16.20 | LSorense | cyberWhiz: gaim? |
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| 21:16.25 | cavediver | Hi. Anyone uses dmcrypt/cryptsetup-luks ? |
| 21:16.33 | Gathond | cyberWhiz: icq.com can probably provide you with that |
| 21:16.49 | plbgnr | hello, Is it possible to find out which packages are on installation cd/dvd before downloading it? I need some specific packages to have on inst. medium... |
| 21:16.53 | cyberWhiz | LSorense: im looking for anything but gaim... rearranges my contact list |
| 21:16.57 | TarquinW_ | n00b question; I was trying to get a file from a certain package, and it overwrote some other files that are needed by other packages |
| 21:17.16 | cyberWhiz | Gathond: haha yeah already found it... |
| 21:17.18 | LSorense | cyberWhiz: well gaim is the best I have seen. |
| 21:17.21 | TarquinW_ | I have a copy of the .deb file that will fix them, but now it says that I cannot install it because of the dependencies |
| 21:17.24 | yoz- | I wonder is anyone has an idea concerning dspam. |
| 21:17.29 | yoz- | s/is/if |
| 21:17.35 | LSorense | cyberWhiz: if you don't like how it does things, find out how to change it. it comes with sources. |
| 21:17.45 | TarquinW_ | how can I force it to force install the "older" one? |
| 21:17.51 | theD3viL | Hm .. does anyone know.. if i install cedega.. if system will works slower? |
| 21:17.59 | cyberWhiz | LSorense: haha yeah, i know -- id just rather spend my time changing things other than an aim client ;] |
| 21:18.01 | TarquinW_ | (like --no-deps with rpms) |
| 21:18.10 | LSorense | cyberWhiz: gaim is a lot more than an aim client |
| 21:18.24 | f31n | may u type that again with the dpkg-reconfigure ... plz i cant see it anymore |
| 21:18.34 | LSorense | TarquinW_: any time you do that, you risk breaking the sytem, and you are just hitting the symptoms with a big hammer rather than fixing the real problem |
| 21:18.56 | cheal | N0S3: usermin can be used by any user. webmin is for system administrators |
| 21:19.00 | mlewis00 | cheal: I got lm-sensors installed and went through the setup procedure in the documentation...it found the hardware supported by the 'i801' and 'eeprom' modules and loaded the modules...now I don't seem to get the 'sensors' program to detect any sensors. Does this mean that the sensors on my MB are not supported? |
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| 21:19.20 | TarquinW_ | LSorense: yep, I am aware what can happen, I have fought with redhat for a long time ;) |
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| 21:19.33 | cheal | mlewis00: you means sensors-detect? |
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| 21:21.12 | doleyb | theD3viL: cedega will only effect your computer when it is actually running a microsoft game. |
| 21:21.23 | sha1sum | what programs read the dotty output from apt-cache? |
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| 21:21.31 | mlewis00 | cheal: sensors-detect is the program that detected the chipset and loaded the modules...sensors is the program that is supposed to set min - max values, etc. but it says 'no sensors detected'... |
| 21:21.52 | theD3viL | doleyb, how much? |
| 21:21.56 | lightbright | a Debian hard drive only needs a Linux and Linux swap partition, right? It doesnt need an extended partition as well? it only needs 2 partitions? |
| 21:22.24 | doleyb | theD3viL: well, anytime you are runnign one program, others go slower. It's totally impossible to tell, although windows games do tend to be pretty hoggy. |
| 21:22.25 | RichiH | lightbright: if you really really want, you can even forget about swap, provided you have enough ram |
| 21:22.37 | RichiH | lightbright: it is always a good idea to have /boot seperate, though |
| 21:22.41 | Gathond | lightbright: it needs a minimum of 1 partition actually, but having a seperate swap partition is the recommended way |
| 21:22.45 | theD3viL | doleyb, so it isnt very good to install ? |
| 21:22.56 | thc | mlewis00: lm-sensors won't work on a 2.4 kernel without a patch, what kernel are you running |
| 21:22.59 | doleyb | theD3viL: if you want to run a windows game on linux, it's probably your best choice. |
| 21:23.02 | RichiH | depending on how good you can estimate the needs for /home, that is a candidate for an extra partition, too |
| 21:23.03 | messia | notte |
| 21:23.10 | doleyb | theD3viL: unless you have vmware or something else like that. |
| 21:23.11 | RichiH | lightbright: but yes, you can just run with / and swap |
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| 21:23.15 | N0S3 | cheal: ahh |
| 21:23.20 | lightbright | RichiH: im just wondering why I have 3 partitions, one for Linux, one says linux swap and then I have an extended, so it has hda1, hda2 and hda5 |
| 21:23.20 | mlewis00 | thc: 2.6.8-2 stock Debian... |
| 21:23.30 | lightbright | Gathond: ok thanks |
| 21:23.39 | liran_ | i did apt-get dist-upgrade and it downloaded a bunch of software, after it completed it was trying to configure Flex and then dpkg quit on some error. can i continue with the configuration without having to re-download everything? |
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| 21:24.01 | mlewis00 | thc: Err, 2.6.8-2-686 |
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| 21:24.05 | lightbright | RichiH: why would the Debian auto installer create 3 partitions? hda1, hda2 and hda5? |
| 21:24.10 | PoWeR_LoRd | hi again... |
| 21:24.21 | bibe | liran_ : yes, I think you can go on with apt-get -f install |
| 21:24.27 | hx30 | somebody that knows about aacraid? |
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| 21:24.34 | liran_ | thanks ill try that |
| 21:24.40 | hx30 | and SATA raid? |
| 21:24.55 | liran_ | heh, doesnt give out anything |
| 21:25.19 | cheal | mlewis00: I don't know, maybe #linux-sensors does |
| 21:25.37 | lightbright | i get an error saying dcopserver not running! Whats that mean? |
| 21:25.42 | Fox_1_ | when i run startx it write: Failed to initialize the NVdriver kernel module! Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. Fatal server error: no screens found. what's the problem??????????/ |
| 21:25.46 | mlewis00 | cheal: Thanks, I'll check... :) |
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| 21:25.58 | doleyb | lightbright: a kde program cannot find the rest of kde, you can usually ignore that error. |
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| 21:26.30 | PoWeR_LoRd | I bought a new LCD monitor, and x-win not start, i like switch the monitor resolution 800 x 600 @ 75 ... How do can I? |
| 21:26.35 | penguin | When will openoffice 2.0 come to testing |
| 21:26.38 | penguin | ?? |
| 21:26.50 | cyberWhiz | penguin: it JUST went to unstable |
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| 21:26.56 | cyberWhiz | penguin: so prob not for a little while |
| 21:27.05 | PoWeR_LoRd | I bought a new LCD monitor, and x-win not start, i like switch the monitor resolution 800 x 600 @ 75 ... How do can I under bash-shell? |
| 21:27.09 | penguin | weeks? Months? |
| 21:27.15 | cyberWhiz | penguin: not a clue |
| 21:27.21 | hx30 | look in /etx/X11/XF86-config filer |
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| 21:27.31 | hx30 | under mode settings.. |
| 21:27.42 | lightbright | doleyb: I have copied my whole debian from hdb to hda! I used the cp -fra command to copy everything! Im running the copied version now, so it seems not everythging was copied! whats missing and how can I copy it from original hard drive? |
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| 21:28.05 | doleyb | !tell lightbright about dd |
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| 21:28.27 | lightbright | doleyb: dd wont work because source is 20Gig and destation hard drive is 10Gig |
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| 21:28.45 | PoWeR_LoRd | .. |
| 21:28.47 | PoWeR_LoRd | ? |
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| 21:28.57 | Fox_1_ | ??? |
| 21:29.01 | PoWeR_LoRd | I bought a new LCD monitor, and x-win not start, i like switch the monitor resolution 800 x 600 @ 75 ... How do can I? |
| 21:29.07 | doleyb | lightbright: what do you think is missing? |
| 21:29.14 | lightbright | doleyb: any other ideas? because when I used cp -fra it did say some errors, such as: cp: cannot open `/sys/bus/pci/drivers/uhci_hcd/new_id' for reading: Permission denied and somtimes it says: cp: cannot copy over itself. Any ideas whats wrong? |
| 21:29.28 | thc | !tell PoWeR_LoRd about drxx |
| 21:29.42 | PoWeR_LoRd | what? |
| 21:29.44 | PoWeR_LoRd | drxx |
| 21:29.45 | PoWeR_LoRd | ? |
| 21:29.51 | lightbright | doleyb: and another error I did get was : cp cannot copy mnt over itself |
| 21:29.55 | thc | do what dpkg just told you. |
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| 21:30.02 | doleyb | lightbright: files under /sys /proc (and mostly) /dev should not be expected to copy. |
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| 21:30.09 | lightbright | doleyb: other than that, it seems to be working as im running the copied version now |
| 21:30.16 | hx30 | Power_Lord: Look in your /etc/X11/XF86-config-4 file |
| 21:30.20 | doleyb | lightbright: those files aren't real files on disk, they aretemporary special files that show current state of some hardware. |
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| 21:30.31 | PoWeR_LoRd | ok |
| 21:30.33 | doleyb | lightbright: for example, open /proc/cpuinfo and see what's in it, that's a magic file, uncopiable. |
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| 21:30.43 | twinoatl | hi |
| 21:30.46 | thc | hx30: that's not even a real file, and i just gave him the correct method to fix it. |
| 21:30.59 | lightbright | doleyb: so what hasnt copied properly for me to get that error saying dcopserver not running when I tried to load Konqueror? |
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| 21:31.07 | bencos | Hello |
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| 21:31.22 | doleyb | lightbright: does konqueror not start? are you running other parts of kde? maybe ask #kde |
| 21:31.39 | lightbright | doleyb: konq did start, but it said: error saying dcopserver not running |
| 21:31.40 | doleyb | lightbright: but first make sure you have permissions for /tmp |
| 21:31.42 | twinoatl | how can I force a package to be installed without installing the depencies ? |
| 21:31.47 | lightbright | doleyb: so I can ignore that error always? |
| 21:31.59 | lightbright | doleyb: how can I set permissions for temp? |
| 21:32.05 | doleyb | lightbright: kde stuff says that error all the time. The usual workaround is to not run kde progs from terminal, but from buttons. |
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| 21:32.28 | doleyb | (which is how kde is mostly run) |
| 21:32.33 | lightbright | doleyb: i got that error when I loads Konq from a desktop icon |
| 21:32.42 | doleyb | in a separate dialog box? |
| 21:32.49 | lightbright | doleyb: and how can I set permissions for temp? |
| 21:32.51 | afed | butts |
| 21:32.56 | FarrisG | Can someone make sense for me out of the whole tg3-module-not-in-2.6.11 thing? |
| 21:32.57 | lightbright | doleyb: separate dialog box? |
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| 21:33.20 | hx30 | XFree86 -probeonly |
| 21:33.33 | doleyb | lightbright: how do you see the error, if you're not at a terminal? |
| 21:33.46 | MoDaXaS | twinoatl: dpkg -i --force-dependences <.deb> . not recommended though cause apt-get will keep complaining about unmet dependences afterwards |
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| 21:33.49 | doleyb | lightbright: you might try "apt-get install --reinstall kdelibs-bin" |
| 21:33.51 | sandman | Okay. Can I mount -o bind /home /home/chroot/home ? |
| 21:33.52 | hx30 | you can run XFree86 -probeonly to let X probe your settings... |
| 21:33.57 | lightbright | doleyb: I load Konq from a desltop icon |
| 21:33.58 | sandman | I'm not @ my box atm |
| 21:34.11 | doleyb | doleyb: so where do you see the error? |
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| 21:34.19 | lightbright | doleyb: I see it as a pop up window |
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| 21:34.34 | doleyb | lightbright: ok, "pop up window" is also called "separate dialog", is all I was asking. |
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| 21:34.56 | doleyb | lightbright: were you already running kde as a desktop environment, or some separate wm? |
| 21:34.57 | twinoatl | MoDaX: I have a package which depends on mysql-server and I want to install mysql-server-4.1 which removes mysql-server |
| 21:35.08 | lightbright | doleyb: when I copied everything from the other hard drive using cp -fra / /mtn would that have kept all file permissions in tact to the destination hard drive? |
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| 21:35.21 | lightbright | doleyb: i dont run wm |
| 21:35.32 | lightbright | doleyb: I was already running kde as a desktop environment |
| 21:36.01 | Tortel | !kde |
| 21:36.02 | dpkg | [kde] a desktop enviroment based on the Qt toolkit. The latest stable release appears to be 3.4.2. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde |
| 21:36.11 | doleyb | lightbright: check "ps afx|grep dcop", you should see dcopserver |
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| 21:36.25 | lightbright | doleyb: whats the best command to copy everything across to the new hard drive; using cp -fra / /mtn or sudo cp -a * ? |
| 21:36.49 | Fox_1_ | startx write: Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libspeedo.a:spencode.o" : No symbols found |
| 21:36.53 | MoDaX | twinoatl: maybe the package depends on only mysql-server for a reason (eg. it won't work with mysql-server-4.1). if you believe otherwise, file a bug |
| 21:36.53 | Fox_1_ | what to do? |
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| 21:37.13 | lightbright | doleyb: that command said: 3711 pts/3 S+ 0:00 | \_ grep dcop and 3118 ? S 0:00 kdeinit: dcopserver --nosid and 3685 ? S 0:00 kdeinit: dcopserver --nosid --suicide |
| 21:37.36 | doleyb | lightbright: well really, ask a kde guy, #kde or #debian-kde |
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| 21:37.45 | yff | hi |
| 21:37.50 | Fox_1_ | ? |
| 21:37.54 | yff | i cant upgrade pear |
| 21:38.01 | yff | what do i do ?? im newbie |
| 21:38.11 | yff | tried to run pear upgrade pear without luck |
| 21:38.19 | twinoatl | MoDaX: thanks |
| 21:38.39 | yff | problem is : |
| 21:38.39 | lightbright | doleyb: so you recommend I try try "apt-get install --reinstall kdelibs-bin" ? |
| 21:38.40 | yff | PEAR: Dependencies failed |
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| 21:40.09 | pgimeno | hi, is there any way to make a VNC package support OpenGL? |
| 21:40.23 | yff | anyone ? |
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| 21:40.35 | doleyb | lightbright: yes try that for sure, it can't hurt, but prob won't fix. |
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| 21:40.43 | s0n1 | hi |
| 21:40.56 | s0n1 | i need bloqued version of my ssh in debian |
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| 21:41.07 | marstewel | what is a bloqued version of ssh ? |
| 21:41.11 | s0n1 | security |
| 21:41.21 | lightbright | doleyb: ok thanks! and you said to set permissions for myself on swap partition. How do I do that? |
| 21:41.21 | s0n1 | in compiled is OK .. |
| 21:41.26 | marstewel | hmm? |
| 21:41.31 | s0n1 | but in get sshd in debian... don't |
| 21:41.50 | abrotman | pipeline: get it ? |
| 21:42.17 | s0n1 | 22/tcp open ssh OpenSSH 4.2p1 Debian-5 (protocol 2.0) |
| 21:42.20 | doleyb | lightbright: i said nothing about swap, but i did say to verify you can "touch /tmp/foo" |
| 21:42.23 | s0n1 | sucks is |
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| 21:42.43 | leonhunt | Does Debian Sarge check for new hardware at boot? (PCI device) |
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| 21:42.53 | Andy837 | how can i uninstall apache2 from debian? |
| 21:42.59 | lightbright | doleyb: so I type: "touch /tmp/foo" ? |
| 21:43.01 | MrSeb | hi, there is someone that know well ipsec? |
| 21:43.22 | marstewel | MrSeb: just ask... |
| 21:43.29 | kingtux | anyone know where I can grab the mplayerplug-in for mozilla-firefox??? |
| 21:44.39 | kingtux | apt source list?? |
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| 21:44.46 | kingtux | anyone?? |
| 21:44.46 | lightbright | doleyb: how can I verify that I can touch /tmp/ ? |
| 21:44.46 | MrSeb | marstewel: is it possible to use ipsec for only digest to grant data integrity an authentication without channel crypt? |
| 21:44.47 | kingtux | :-P |
| 21:44.47 | Andy837 | uninstalling apache |
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| 21:44.52 | PoWeR_LoRd | I have a CRT monitor, and I bought an LCD monitor, but CRT resolution was in Linux (1024x768@85HZ) ...REBOOT and I connected the LCD (800x600@75HZ) monitor to PC then the linux doesn't run, because the xwin can't run.. and I like under bash-shell the x-win 'reconfig' , but HOW? Can sombody help me? |
| 21:44.56 | marstewel | lightbright: touch a file in there... |
| 21:45.05 | lightbright | marstewel: how? |
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| 21:45.10 | marstewel | lightbright: man touch |
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| 21:45.35 | thc | PoWeR_LoRd: i told you. listen to dpkg. |
| 21:45.37 | thc | !drxx |
| 21:45.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the X config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 21:45.51 | PoWeR_LoRd | ok |
| 21:45.54 | doleyb | lightbright: type it and see if it works |
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| 21:46.15 | lightbright | doleyb: type what? man touch ? |
| 21:46.22 | doleyb | "touch /tmp/foo" |
| 21:46.30 | lightbright | doleyb: or you mean touch /tmp/foo ? |
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| 21:46.36 | lightbright | doleyb: ok ill try |
| 21:46.45 | doleyb | and then go to a kde place |
| 21:46.51 | lightbright | doleyb: nothing happened |
| 21:46.56 | lightbright | doleyb: no output |
| 21:47.03 | marstewel | heh |
| 21:47.06 | marstewel | oh lord... |
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| 21:49.23 | sandman | The instructions @ http://www.syntaxpolice.org/apt-secure/ don't work |
| 21:49.33 | abrotman | poor doleyb .. |
| 21:49.44 | thc | !apt secure |
| 21:49.44 | dpkg | methinks apt secure is in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://www.syntaxpolice.org/apt-secure/ ; until you perform the steps described on page 5, you will get warnings about packages that can't be authenticated, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174 |
| 21:50.02 | abrotman | sandman: what about them is broken ? |
| 21:50.03 | stew | sandman: they will work for the debian repository, not for other repositories |
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| 21:50.22 | sandman | You mean, not for uchicago.edu? |
| 21:50.32 | abrotman | is that an official debian repo ? |
| 21:50.34 | stew | no uchicago should be signed by the debian key |
| 21:50.36 | stew | it is |
| 21:50.37 | Anthro | sandman: apt-get install debian-keyring && apt-key add debian-role-keys.gpg |
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| 21:51.21 | sandman | Me too |
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| 21:51.31 | sandman | Why isn't this crap done automagically |
| 21:51.40 | sandman | If I wanted shit to break like this I'd use gentoo |
| 21:51.42 | Gokee2 | I want a way to pop up a msg in a gui from a command prompt. Whats a quick and easy way? Thanks |
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| 21:51.55 | abrotman | !tell Dr_Noisy about root |
| 21:52.08 | Anthro | sandman: If you want marillat's repository to work you need his key, too. apt-key add /usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg (which will take forever) |
| 21:52.15 | abrotman | Gokee2: what kind of gui ? |
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| 21:52.19 | Anthro | sandman: There's a good reason it isn't automatic. |
| 21:52.25 | sandman | Anthro: Which is? |
| 21:52.34 | Anthro | sandman: If it were automatic, it wouldn't be secure. |
| 21:52.36 | sandman | Anthro: In case debian.org gets hacked? |
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| 21:53.07 | Gokee2 | abrotman, the xserver not sure if its xfree or xf98 |
| 21:53.14 | Anthro | sandman: That's what it's supposed to prevent. Or, rather, it's supposed to prevent a hacked repository from opening your machine. |
| 21:53.24 | nksen | Guerin: ? |
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| 21:53.33 | ch1p | any help for the XF86config-4 file for an old toshiba notebook??? xorg seems a bit complicated. I'm not clear about frame buffers |
| 21:54.01 | abrotman | Gokee2: like .. xmsg or .. crap .. i forget what it's called |
| 21:54.05 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 21:54.06 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
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| 21:54.51 | thc | how is xorg more complicated than xfree86, their configs are identical |
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| 21:55.10 | Andy837 | how can i uninstall apache2? |
| 21:55.41 | DesScorp | ummm....apt-get remove apache2? |
| 21:55.48 | lightbright | Andy837: I did: apr-get remove --purge apache2 |
| 21:55.54 | zOrK | apt-get remove --purge apache2 |
| 21:56.05 | lightbright | Andy837: purge will remove also all the config files |
| 21:56.15 | lightbright | apr = apt |
| 21:56.17 | Andy837 | cool :) |
| 21:56.24 | zOrK | cd /etc/ and /etc/init.d config files |
| 21:56.29 | zOrK | the /etc/ and /etc/init.d config files |
| 21:56.31 | zOrK | mean |
| 21:56.31 | zOrK | ! |
| 21:56.35 | ch1p | thc: compiling, make, etc., etc. another slightly newer notebook just needed a few tweaks in the config file |
| 21:56.45 | Andy837 | i have already removed so how can i now purge? |
| 21:57.03 | abrotman | i wanna kill ... |
| 21:57.06 | thc | ch1p: no need to compile anything, there are xorg backports for sarge |
| 21:57.13 | abrotman | Andy837: man dpkg |
| 21:57.14 | liran_ | im configuring lilo.conf and i added a image=/vmlinuz and created a link from /boot/vmlinuz2.6.8... to /vmlinuz but when i run lilo it says "skipping /vmlinuz" what am i doing wrong? |
| 21:57.21 | enveezee | I lost my paycheck walking to the store like a moron |
| 21:57.28 | abrotman | Andy837: dpkg -P |
| 21:57.30 | abrotman | enveezee: huh ? |
| 21:57.33 | ch1p | thc: so I just install a package? |
| 21:57.44 | enveezee | abrotman: you know, payroll check, I dropped it |
| 21:57.47 | thc | !tell ch1p about xorg sarge |
| 21:57.47 | Gokee2 | abrotman, Thanks I got it one more thing though how do I set my display var to a diffrent one? Thanks :) |
| 21:57.57 | Andy837 | abrotman: -p was print |
| 21:57.59 | abrotman | Gokee2: no idea |
| 21:58.04 | abrotman | Andy837: -P .. not -p |
| 21:58.05 | Gokee2 | :( |
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| 21:58.10 | enveezee | abrotman: takes the edge off.. thc is good for that. Mellows you out |
| 21:58.14 | abrotman | Gokee2: export the display first |
| 21:58.32 | ch1p | thc: also, I was lucky to get woody onto the machine in the first place. I don't know if sarge would fit |
| 21:58.34 | Andy837 | its not installed tho |
| 21:58.40 | abrotman | Andy837: it's ko |
| 21:58.41 | abrotman | ok |
| 21:58.51 | abrotman | Andy837: dpkg -P apache2-common .. or whatever it is |
| 21:59.03 | liran_ | i think lilo is just giving me a hard time. can i aptitude for grab and it'll just replace lilo easily? or do i need to configure it too? |
| 21:59.03 | Gokee2 | abrotman, Thats what I mean how do you export the display? |
| 21:59.08 | lightbright | I used the comand cp -fra / /mnt to copy from my old hard drive to a new hard drive, Does this command copy everything, hidden files too, and keep original file permissions? Or should I instead use the command: sudo cp -a * / /mnt ? |
| 21:59.16 | Andy837 | i just installed apache2 |
| 21:59.17 | thc | ch1p: probably a good idea to mention you are running oldstable when you first ask then |
| 21:59.23 | SuperPhly | is there a way to make sure that all the files on my system are the files that the package installed? I've got a filesystem sync issue and I want to make sure that the files match up with pkg definitions |
| 21:59.40 | SuperPhly | im afraid that some files got overwritten from an "older" install |
| 21:59.41 | abrotman | Gokee2: it's like .. export DISPLAY = <value> command |
| 21:59.49 | ch1p | thc: and ratpoison window manager |
| 21:59.51 | abrotman | SuperPhly: debsums |
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| 21:59.55 | Gokee2 | thanks :) |
| 21:59.57 | SuperPhly | just run it like that? |
| 22:00.10 | abrotman | SuperPhly: you have to install it first :) |
| 22:00.24 | abrotman | Andy837: which package are you trying to purge ? |
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| 22:00.29 | Andy837 | apache2 |
| 22:00.36 | laurens_ | ls |
| 22:00.37 | abrotman | Andy837: dpkg -P apache2 .. |
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| 22:00.37 | Andy837 | i installed it now i want it removed! |
| 22:00.43 | abrotman | i just told you how |
| 22:00.47 | laurens_ | dpkg: botsnack |
| 22:00.52 | abrotman | no more snacks |
| 22:00.56 | laurens_ | :( |
| 22:01.03 | abrotman | dpkg: snack |
| 22:01.03 | dpkg | Yess, pleaaaaaaaase |
| 22:01.09 | laurens_ | ooh :-) |
| 22:01.14 | laurens_ | dpkg: snack |
| 22:01.14 | dpkg | Yess, pleaaaaaaaase |
| 22:01.17 | laurens_ | :-) |
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| 22:01.34 | Andy837 | it says..... |
| 22:01.50 | Andy837 | warning: ignoring request to remove apache2 which isn't installed |
| 22:01.57 | Ungy | Andy837, or apt-get --purge remove apache2 |
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| 22:02.15 | Ungy | Andy837, then install it again and purge it ;-) |
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| 22:03.05 | Andy837 | ok |
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| 22:03.42 | Ungy | Anthro, maybe cause when you remvoe a package it no longer exists |
| 22:04.21 | Andy837 | ok apache is removed but the site still displays |
| 22:04.43 | Anthro | Ungy: It should be possible to read the package metadata (which will require downloading the package, yes) to figure out which files need removing. |
| 22:04.47 | Ungy | Anthro, unless you think they should keep a purgable list after you remove something |
| 22:04.54 | lightbright | how can I reinstall KDE and have it only use kdm as I never run Gnome anyway? |
| 22:05.24 | Ungy | Anthro, but what if the package changes ;-) |
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| 22:06.53 | Anthro | Ungy: Then it will do a bad job. But if the package changes then there is no way to do a proper purge at all. I'm talking about being able to purge as effectively as if you had reinstalled then purged, no better or worse. |
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| 22:07.58 | lightbright | do I type "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager kde" if I want to reinstall KDE? |
| 22:07.59 | Ungy | Anthro that is why I think a living purge document makes sense to me |
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| 22:08.21 | diana_ | I install gnupg...but I still get those warnings when I install programs with apt-get...I have to use apt-get --force-yes...How can I now get those warnings and install things normally with apt? |
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| 22:08.27 | cheal | lightbright: no |
| 22:08.31 | cheal | lightbright: uninstall gdm? |
| 22:08.35 | Ungy | lightbright apt-get install kde-desktop I think it is |
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| 22:08.38 | Anthro | Ungy: You mean maintaining a list of which files on the system belong to which removed-but-not-purged packages? |
| 22:08.42 | Sneg | how do i get nfs mounts to mount on bootup time? |
| 22:08.47 | Ungy | Anthro yup |
| 22:08.54 | Sneg | so i can have my usr and var on a nfs device |
| 22:08.55 | Anthro | Ungy: Submit a wishlist bug. |
| 22:09.00 | lightbright | cheal: i never use Gnome, but its running gdm apparently! so how can I have it use kdm and resintall KDE system files? |
| 22:09.24 | GrayThunder | is there an easy way to generate a DNS zone file with 180,000 address entries? (dont ask why, it wasnt my choice.) |
| 22:09.24 | diana_ | lightbright: dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
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| 22:09.30 | Ungy | Anthro, it is the only sane way to handle it I think that way apt woudl work against that purge document rather then anythign else |
| 22:09.34 | cheal | lightbright: oh, so those are 2 separate question? reinstall KDE and switch to kdm? |
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| 22:10.11 | Ungy | lightbright, apt-get install kdm |
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| 22:10.26 | doubleh1 | where to download e2fsexplore ? google does not help :( |
| 22:10.28 | lightbright | cheal: well I never use Gnome, so is it better for me to install kdm instead of running gdm? |
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| 22:10.35 | lightbright | Ungy: ok |
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| 22:10.57 | lightbright | Ungy: i never use Gnome, but i think im running gdm and not kdm |
| 22:11.08 | diana_ | I install gnupg...but I still get those warnings when I install programs with apt-get...I have to use apt-get --force-yes...How can I now get those warnings and install things normally with apt? |
| 22:11.11 | Ungy | lightbright, your display manager doesn't matter for your desktop |
| 22:11.22 | cheal | lightbright: probably |
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| 22:11.37 | devazion | Hi, I'm installing Debian Etch (Downloaded the netinstall today). Somehow it tells me that the package kde cannot be installed. I'm using the Finish server (ftp). Is anybody except me having problems installing the "kde" package on testing? |
| 22:11.44 | Ungy | lightbright I don;t have kde installed but I can use kdm instead of gdm if I wanted to |
| 22:11.48 | cheal | devazion: yes |
| 22:11.57 | cheal | devazion: ask #debian-kde, or install kde-core instead |
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| 22:12.02 | abrotman | god .. she's been on like a 2 month troll .. |
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| 22:12.18 | thc | abrotman: i tried and tried, but finally had enough |
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| 22:12.20 | thc | it's plonked |
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| 22:12.29 | abrotman | devazion: it's possible that today it's not |
| 22:12.32 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 22:12.32 | dpkg | somebody said install kde was In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 22:12.37 | abrotman | devazion: try kdebase .. then kde-core |
| 22:12.37 | devazion | cheal: Ah. ok. So the complete "kde" is not "complete" atm? |
| 22:13.01 | cheal | abrotman: kde will be uninstallable until at least the toolchain is fixed (gcc 4.0.2-3 to etch) |
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| 22:13.08 | abrotman | cheal: and hopefully forever! |
| 22:13.08 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:13.13 | diana_ | abrotman: How can I not get the warnings with apt for apt-secure? |
| 22:13.15 | Ungy | abrotman who is on like a 2 month troll |
| 22:13.20 | diana_ | I have gnupg installed |
| 22:13.21 | abrotman | diana_: /msg dpkg apt-secure |
| 22:13.26 | lightbright | Ungy: what exactly is kdm and gdm? |
| 22:13.27 | cheal | devazion: ...right |
| 22:13.28 | abrotman | Ungy: the person you're trying to help |
| 22:13.39 | devazion | cheal: I see, thanks! :D |
| 22:13.49 | diana_ | abrotman: I did that. |
| 22:13.53 | abrotman | diana_: and ? |
| 22:13.53 | diana_ | I don't have X installed yet. |
| 22:13.57 | diana_ | So I can't go to those websites. |
| 22:13.59 | abrotman | what does X matter ? |
| 22:14.02 | abrotman | diana_: use lynx |
| 22:14.03 | diana_ | I tried to use elinks |
| 22:14.05 | diana_ | lynx and links |
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| 22:14.11 | Ungy | kdm and gdm are display managers they control your login and what desktop you use |
| 22:14.12 | diana_ | But I can't navigate in those to read the text./ |
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| 22:14.32 | cheal | abrotman: are you looking for more ABI transitions? |
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| 22:14.41 | abrotman | cheal: for kde ? |
| 22:14.54 | diana_ | abrotman: After I install gnupg what more do I need to do? |
| 22:14.55 | cheal | abrotman: the whole thing! |
| 22:15.11 | diana_ | How can I install the debian pool of keys into my system? |
| 22:15.12 | lightbright | Ungy: atm, the menu allows me to chose between KDE and Gnome. and it loads KDE by default |
| 22:15.19 | cheal | abrotman: I'll find a way to get it installed on your machine sometime |
| 22:15.27 | abrotman | cheal: never! |
| 22:15.30 | Ungy | lightbright and? |
| 22:15.37 | abrotman | Ungy: see :) |
| 22:15.48 | cheal | abrotman: unless you switch to ubnutu |
| 22:16.03 | lightbright | Ungy: hmm :P |
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| 22:16.22 | Ungy | lightbright leave Gnome alone there is no reason to get rid of it unless yrou running out of hard drive space |
| 22:16.24 | abrotman | enveezee: you really lost it? |
| 22:16.33 | lightbright | Ungy: how can I reinstall the KDE system files wthout messing up my current configuration? |
| 22:16.37 | enveezee | jammin to Naughty By Nature |
| 22:16.39 | stew | !apt-key 1DB114E0 |
| 22:16.40 | lightbright | Ungy: ok thaks |
| 22:16.41 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1DB114E0 ; gpg --export 1DB114E0 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 22:16.46 | stew | abrotman: ^^ |
| 22:16.49 | enveezee | abrotman: lost what? |
| 22:16.55 | abrotman | stew: wheeeee |
| 22:16.57 | abrotman | !beer stew |
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| 22:17.06 | abrotman | stew: it was for diana_ |
| 22:17.09 | stew | factinfo cmd apt-key (.*?) |
| 22:17.11 | abrotman | enveezee: the check! |
| 22:17.14 | stew | !factinfo cmd: apt-key (.*?) |
| 22:17.14 | dpkg | cmd: apt-key (.*?) -- created by dondelelcaro <n=don@archimedes.ucr.edu> at Sun Oct 23 09:34:49 2005 (11 days). |
| 22:17.17 | lightbright | Ungy: do I need to apt-get install kdm ? |
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| 22:17.43 | enveezee | abrotman: yeah went outside with my shoes untied, and dropped it when I went to tie them at the corner.. didn't realize it until I was half a mile away |
| 22:17.45 | Ungy | lightbright, is kde working for you now? |
| 22:17.46 | stew | doh that was the wrong key though |
| 22:18.07 | hebfftijd | which package do i have to use voor java |
| 22:18.10 | diana_ | abrotman: nevermind |
| 22:18.11 | stew | !apt secure is also ask me about <apt-key 4F368D5D> |
| 22:18.12 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 22:18.17 | diana_ | All I had to do after I installed gnupg was apt-get update |
| 22:18.19 | diana_ | thanks anyway |
| 22:18.36 | enveezee | abrotman: came back and this girl and her bf were there and I seen him let her go for a minute while I was walking up, and I took my headphones off and walked pass him to gauge his reaction, then turned around and told him to cough it up |
| 22:18.42 | lightbright | Ungy: yes but when I load Konqueror i get a error saying: dcopserver not running |
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| 22:19.06 | hebfftijd | which package do i have to use voor java |
| 22:19.11 | enveezee | abrotman: I thought I was gonna have to jaw the kid.. but he wasnt looking to get knocked the fuck out today :P |
| 22:19.15 | lightbright | Ungy: will a reinstall of KDE fix this? perhaps some KDE files werent copied properly from my old hard drive to my new |
| 22:19.36 | dpower | hebfftijd: /topic #debian |
| 22:19.51 | Ungy | lightbright, I dunno but you can do an apt-get install --reinstall kde if you like |
| 22:20.31 | abrotman | diana_: ? |
| 22:20.32 | gino | use fluxbox or xfce lightbright |
| 22:20.40 | lightbright | has anyone here copied a whole system from one hard drive to another? I did it using cp -fra / /mnt. Is that ok, or should I have used "sudo cp -a * / /mnt" instead? What command copies everything, hiden files and keeps all file permissions? |
| 22:20.44 | hebfftijd | dpower, think this has to do with debian like to install java that's why my question |
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| 22:20.55 | abrotman | enveezee: so you got it back ? |
| 22:21.01 | Ungy | gino if lightbright won't use Gnome I think your asking to much |
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| 22:21.10 | lightbright | Ungy: so typing "apt-get install --reinstall kde" wont break my system or delete any current configurations? |
| 22:21.21 | lightbright | gino: im happy with KDE |
| 22:21.22 | enveezee | abrotman: yep, he didn't want any Quai Chan Nvz |
| 22:21.24 | abrotman | one can only hope |
| 22:21.35 | FarrisG | Anyone know of a decent rule or test to determine a safe limit on the number of vnc sessions running on a particular machine, based on CPU/RAM? |
| 22:21.42 | Ungy | lightbright, when it asks to you replace or use your current config I guess you better answer correctly |
| 22:21.48 | gino | ok lightbright but u are the only one ! |
| 22:21.50 | Guerin | !say lightbright: you were told that cp -fra wasn't correct. Why did you do it? |
| 22:21.51 | dpkg | lightbright: you were told that cp -fra wasn't correct. Why did you do it |
| 22:21.57 | enveezee | His mind was too small to play me |
| 22:22.07 | lightbright | gino: im the only one who liked KDE? |
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| 22:22.15 | Anthro | gino: No, I'm happy with KDE as well. |
| 22:22.16 | abrotman | dpkg: say Guerin: cause i'm stupid |
| 22:22.17 | dpkg | Guerin: cause i'm stupid |
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| 22:22.20 | EchsO | how do i enable color in terminal? |
| 22:22.22 | lamp_ | lightbright, yes |
| 22:22.28 | lightbright | who told me cp -fra wasnt right? and what command was right? |
| 22:22.54 | nkuttler | EchsO: depends on the terminal and the application that runs in it. |
| 22:23.04 | EchsO | vt100 |
| 22:23.04 | thc | Guerin: how can you *not* have it on ignore by now |
| 22:23.15 | Ungy | abrotman, ok I see yrou point |
| 22:23.16 | Guerin | thc: amazing, I know. |
| 22:23.24 | abrotman | Ungy: see!!! .. i'm always right :) |
| 22:23.33 | Guerin | thc: i just don't ignore people. Even stupid people. |
| 22:23.44 | abrotman | i ignore people .. for about five minutes |
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| 22:23.57 | nkuttler | EchsO: terminal emulator rather |
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| 22:24.08 | thc | Guerin: me either, but watching someone ask the same question, 30 times and 60 different ways gives me the runs |
| 22:24.11 | lightbright | Anthro: well we both like KDE :) |
| 22:24.36 | thc | some users are destined to be plonked |
| 22:24.36 | abrotman | thc: and get the correct answer 15 times ? |
| 22:24.36 | Guerin | thc: i just hope in vain that an op will come by and apply the beatdown for chronic stupidity |
| 22:24.46 | abrotman | Guerin: you wish |
| 22:24.49 | thc | abrotman: exactly |
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| 22:25.03 | diana_ | When I am in a virtual terminal...the terminal doesn't cover my entire screen...There is a 1.5 inch black border around my entire terminal....how can I make my virtual terminal use the full screen? |
| 22:25.12 | lightbright | thc: be nice now, please understand that some people have diffculity understading and are new |
| 22:25.14 | Guerin | abrotman: well, in lightbright's case, one already did ... but it evaded the ban and they haven't bothered re-enforcing it. |
| 22:25.16 | thc | and i am amazed it's lasted this long, i've seen lesser trolls get kicked/banned in shorter amounts of time |
| 22:25.35 | abrotman | Guerin: admittedly .. coywolf can still get in |
| 22:25.37 | lightbright | its amazing the hatred certain people have for others, |
| 22:25.38 | Guerin | !say lightbright: yes, and some people are just stupid and can't be helped. |
| 22:25.39 | dpkg | lightbright: yes, and some people are just stupid and can't be helped. |
| 22:25.41 | lightbright | oh well |
| 22:26.12 | Ungy | holy cow #debian has turned into a bunch of devils |
| 22:26.14 | enveezee | abrotman: he finally lost his marbles eh? |
| 22:26.23 | thc | Ungy: turned into? |
| 22:26.25 | Guerin | !say lightbright: you were told to use rsync or tar to preserve sockets. Why didn't you? |
| 22:26.26 | nkuttler | diana_: tell your wm or the terminal not to draw a border? |
| 22:26.27 | dpkg | lightbright: you were told to use rsync or tar to preserve sockets. Why didn't you |
| 22:26.28 | abrotman | hatred .. yes .. that's right .. we've suffered for 2+ months .. and it's not that we didn't try .. it's that you just aren't compatible with linux |
| 22:26.35 | abrotman | enveezee: no ... |
| 22:26.37 | abrotman | !fable |
| 22:26.37 | dpkg | methinks fable is http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/TheFable |
| 22:26.47 | enveezee | abrotman: I've read that |
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| 22:26.51 | enveezee | abrotman: did he change it? |
| 22:26.54 | abrotman | Ungy: not really .. it's just one person in particular |
| 22:26.56 | lightbright | some people filled with ego tell newbies that they are stupid and go do things for themselves! Well, dont you receive help and apps etc from Debian developers? Imagine developers telling you "We wont help you create new updates etc, go do it yourself" |
| 22:27.01 | abrotman | enveezee: that's why .. he didn't lose his marbles |
| 22:27.11 | Guerin | hahah |
| 22:27.13 | enveezee | abrotman: I call that loosing it |
| 22:27.15 | dondelelcaro | yeesh, take it elsewhere please. |
| 22:27.18 | diana_ | nkuttler: How can I do that? |
| 22:27.23 | nkuttler | lightbright: they'd lose their maintainer status |
| 22:27.25 | lightbright | I couldnt work out how to use rsync or tar. I needed more help to understand how to use the command, thats all, |
| 22:27.27 | Ungy | lightbright, I would be like damn oh well guess I gota do it or shut up about it |
| 22:27.32 | Guerin | lightbright is describing *exactly* what happens in almost every free software project, ever |
| 22:27.35 | abrotman | enveezee: erm .. no |
| 22:27.51 | nkuttler | diana_: read the manpages for your wm and the terminal you use? |
| 22:27.56 | Ungy | lightbright, if you don't understand somethign don't go ahead and do somethign else you where told was wrong |
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| 22:27.59 | dondelelcaro | if you can't stand someone, use /ignore -replies fooperson; don't subject the rest of us to it, please. |
| 22:28.06 | lightbright | Debian develoipers do for you as you should do with newbies! remember that |
| 22:28.12 | enveezee | abrotman: when you write a fariy tale about people annoying the shit out of you then dont come around anymore.. thats what I call loosing it |
| 22:28.24 | lightbright | dondelelcaro: yes |
| 22:28.34 | Ungy | lightbright, ignore us and only when they come under pressure from other maintainers actually fix things |
| 22:28.37 | abrotman | enveezee: who annoying who ? |
| 22:28.55 | enveezee | abrotman: *shrug* you are confusing me now :P |
| 22:29.08 | abrotman | enveezee: the people in here asking questions aren't the reason he is gone afaik |
| 22:29.13 | lightbright | Ungy: ok |
| 22:29.24 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: the problem is not that people can't stand lightbright; the problem is that it's chronically stupid, doesn't follow instructions, can't do anything for itself, and trolls us routinely whenever it's too stupid to figure something out and we won't help it |
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| 22:29.40 | VolVE | hey all, I was wondering if there was a simply guide to using Layer 7 Classifier to listen on 1 incoming port, and direct requests from there to either of 2 ports based on the application being used (HTTPS vs. SSH in this case) |
| 22:29.41 | VolVE | ? |
| 22:30.00 | abrotman | VolVE: is that all? :) |
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| 22:30.09 | thc | i don't mind having to use ignore. it's the fact that they come back with a shiny new nick |
| 22:30.09 | Ungy | heh he lost me |
| 22:30.18 | enveezee | abrotman: oh well, I miss having him around. Has a lot of views I agree with, and I stand to learn a lot from him. |
| 22:30.22 | fooz | don't ignore the nick. ignore the host |
| 22:30.26 | lamp_ | can anyone tell me what is so bad about ubuntu |
| 22:30.26 | abrotman | enveezee: ask him to come back |
| 22:30.27 | fooz | or ircname |
| 22:30.27 | dondelelcaro | thc: you can use hosts to igure too. |
| 22:30.28 | gino | keep cool |
| 22:30.35 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: dynamic hostnames |
| 22:30.39 | dondelelcaro | lamp_: it's not Debian. |
| 22:30.41 | thc | the host has changed. |
| 22:30.43 | abrotman | unless you block the whole ISP |
| 22:30.49 | Ungy | enveezee, who is that the colored feline? |
| 22:30.50 | fooz | some ISPs were made to be blocked. |
| 22:30.51 | jdhutchin1 | lamp_, nothing, if you want to use it, go use it |
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| 22:30.52 | enveezee | abrotman: sure, let me take a 400mi drive to greycats house.. its probably on the map |
| 22:30.56 | enveezee | Ungy: yep |
| 22:30.59 | abrotman | enveezee: you could /msg him :) |
| 22:31.19 | enveezee | abrotman: oh, I didnt know he was still hanging out here. I thought he left altogether |
| 22:31.23 | abrotman | not here |
| 22:31.34 | abrotman | afaik .. he's still in #bash and/or #openbsd |
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| 22:31.56 | lightbright | dondelelcaro: I wanted to ask you as I havent had a chance to ask you this before, because every thing you recommend to me works great. Whats the best way to copy everything from my old 20gig HD to my new 10Gig hd and have everything run the same? |
| 22:31.57 | Ungy | lamp_ I use it at home it is pretty good but just don;t ask questions abotu ubuntu in #debian is all go to #ubuntu ;-) |
| 22:32.06 | dondelelcaro | lightbright: use rsync or tar. |
| 22:32.07 | enveezee | The lead singer for Rascal Flatts is like the ugliest mofo I ever seen, I cant believe someone married him, and furthermore doesnt make him get a fucking hair cut |
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| 22:32.18 | enveezee | he's uglier than Tom Petty |
| 22:32.19 | lamp_ | jdhutchin1, 'm using it now, for a month i have used debian for 3 years and i don't see much difference |
| 22:32.25 | abrotman | which .. lightbright was told .. quite some time ago |
| 22:32.26 | VolVE | abrotman: basically, yeah... I don't want to setup a full-on router that shapes traffic every-which-way, so I was hoping there was a 'paired down' guide or something :-/ |
| 22:32.30 | abrotman | and insisted on using cp anyways |
| 22:32.49 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*; you can use cp too, you just have to use -a |
| 22:32.55 | lightbright | dondelelcaro: ok which one you recommend? rsync or tar? because as a newbie I found it hard to figure them both out, so which is the best easiest for me to learn and figure out? |
| 22:32.55 | thc | enveezee: no one is uglier than tom petty. well, maybe john merrick. |
| 22:32.56 | abrotman | VolVE: i know iptables can change destination ports .. but i'm not sure about the rest of your question .. #iptables maybe ? |
| 22:33.04 | hx30 | use rsync!! |
| 22:33.07 | abrotman | thc: iggy pop |
| 22:33.15 | enveezee | thc: look at the dude from Rascal Flatts sometime.. he's fugly |
| 22:33.24 | VolVE | hmm, I'll read-up further... thanks |
| 22:33.25 | Ungy | abrotman, iggy pop is the shiznit |
| 22:33.29 | Ronin | enveezee: well he is in a country band after all |
| 22:33.30 | thc | haha |
| 22:33.31 | abrotman | he's good .. but he's ugly :) |
| 22:33.43 | Ungy | abrotman, and apparently he is hung like amule |
| 22:33.43 | enveezee | I like his hillbilly voice but hes ugly |
| 22:33.51 | Guerin | wtf |
| 22:33.54 | dondelelcaro | lightbright: doesn't matter, they both will work. |
| 22:33.55 | abrotman | Ungy: this doesn't affect my ugly-pinion of him |
| 22:34.01 | lightbright | dondelelcaro: copying from hdb to hda, would I then type from root of hdb: cd /; tar /mnt -cvf - . | tar -C /mnt -xf - ? |
| 22:34.07 | Guerin | can we take this to #omguglyp33pz ? |
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| 22:34.08 | Antarion | VolVE: xinetd and tcpwrappers can do that too, but i dont think you can differ between protocols |
| 22:34.10 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: did pipeline get a hold of you ? |
| 22:34.13 | Ungy | abrotman, but it explains how he gets so many chicks ;-) |
| 22:34.16 | abrotman | perhaps |
| 22:34.20 | enveezee | heh |
| 22:34.21 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yes; he should know why he was silenced. |
| 22:34.23 | lightbright | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 22:34.29 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: he says he has no idea .. |
| 22:34.41 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: unless you told him in the last couple of hours |
| 22:34.46 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: well, he should review his logs... |
| 22:34.55 | dondelelcaro | it's painfully obvious why he was silenced... |
| 22:34.56 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: he logs out/in .. may not have logs |
| 22:35.03 | lightbright | dondelelcaro: would that be the command I would use? does that look right? thats the best I could figure out |
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| 22:35.40 | liran_ | no change. i re-installed kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 and im still getting freezes. like when gnome starts up, a minute after it loads xchat and gaim it freezes totally... with th woody kernel 2.4.18bf3 |
| 22:35.43 | jair | !seen Ungy |
| 22:35.43 | dpkg | ungy is currently on #debian (6d 3h 39m 14s). Has said a total of 2297 messages. Is idling for 1m 30s |
| 22:35.57 | Ungy | holy crap I type alot |
| 22:36.03 | lightbright | Ungy: hehe |
| 22:36.05 | jair | hahahha |
| 22:36.12 | liran_ | (sorry,im contining) kernel 2.4.18bf2.4 it doesnt happen... |
| 22:36.13 | jair | Ungy, how are you doing? |
| 22:36.23 | jair | Ungy, you told me to look for you ;) |
| 22:36.26 | Ungy | ok and yourself |
| 22:36.33 | Ungy | no problem |
| 22:36.39 | jair | Ungy, good man trying to have ready the samba thing. |
| 22:36.45 | abrotman | liran_: have you tried hardware test ? |
| 22:36.47 | dondelelcaro | tar -lcv /|tar -C /mnt -x; FE. |
| 22:36.48 | jcurry | my kernel (2.6.13.4) tells me my usb printer is on fire...but it isn't...how can i print again? I'm running the latest sid |
| 22:36.49 | Ungy | ok move thi to #samba then |
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| 22:36.52 | dondelelcaro | lightbright: see above. |
| 22:36.53 | jair | ok |
| 22:37.13 | lightbright | dondelelcaro: great, thanks again for your help :) |
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| 22:38.54 | gino | tchûss see u soon ++ |
| 22:38.59 | mith | !mith dondelelcaro |
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| 22:39.11 | mith | dondelelcaro: make dpkg/apt stop ignoring me. :( |
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| 22:39.46 | stouset | Anyone notice that there are duplicate libswt-gtk packages in apt? One's needed for Eclipse 3, the other for Azureus. They look to be basically the same thing. |
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| 22:40.02 | mischko | will apache and apache2 coexist on a debian box Ok from their deb installations? |
| 22:40.10 | mith | mischko: yes |
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| 22:40.32 | mischko | I have apache2 installed already. Where will apache1 go? |
| 22:40.35 | stouset | mischko: You can assume any two packages can coexist unless they explicity conflict with each other. |
| 22:40.42 | dondelelcaro | mith: you abuse the bot, you get ignored; if you're going to stop abusing the bot, I can have it unignore you... |
| 22:40.47 | lightbright | dondelelcaro: sorry, last question about this ever :) , when I type that command from my hdb root directory; "tar -lcv /|tar -C /mnt -x; FE." So I include the full stop at the end of FE? |
| 22:40.57 | stouset | mischko: Everything for apache2 is named as apache2. Everything for apache1 is named apache. |
| 22:40.59 | Guerin | ... |
| 22:41.09 | mith | mischko: the same place it always does, the actual names of the binaries are different and the conf is in /etc/apache instead of /etc/apache2 |
| 22:41.33 | mischko | I have a bunch of stuff in /var/www isn't that the standard location for apache2 or did I customize things and not remember it? |
| 22:41.37 | mith | dondelelcaro: i don't abuse it, and it's been ignoring me for almost 2 years now |
| 22:41.39 | green_earz | hello all as any one got the link for the amd 64 bit cd 1 |
| 22:42.10 | dondelelcaro | !FE |
| 22:42.10 | dpkg | fe is probably a <reply> FE stands for end. dondelelcaro-speak for For Example, eg. 'eg.' |
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| 22:42.25 | stouset | green_earz: I would highly recommend you think seriously before using the AMD64 port. |
| 22:42.36 | mischko | More specifically, what I'd like to do is run PHP4 against Apache2 but it wants to install apache-common. |
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| 22:43.03 | mischko | ... so I'm considering installing both. |
| 22:43.03 | stouset | green_earz: A lot of things won't work correctly; java has problems, things like zsnes aren't built for it, you can't get binary-only things like flash, etc. |
| 22:43.07 | enveezee | dpkg, literal FE |
| 22:43.08 | dpkg | fe is <reply> FE stands for end; dondelelcaro-speak for For Example, eg. 'eg.' |
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| 22:43.09 | aFlag | hi, is there a program such as bitcomet on debian? |
| 22:43.15 | mith | mischko: um, you can put the documentroot where ever the hell you like completely independent of what version of apache you're using. |
| 22:43.22 | gravity | aFlag: Is that a bittorrent client? |
| 22:43.22 | stouset | mischko: Just install PHP4 already. It depends on apache-common, so let it. |
| 22:43.31 | aFlag | gravity: it's for finding torrents |
| 22:43.36 | mischko | stouset, will that work under the apache2 browser? |
| 22:43.40 | mith | mischko: All debian httpd packages use /var/www by default. It's called the FHS. |
| 22:43.42 | gravity | Hrm, interesting |
| 22:43.43 | lightbright | dondelelcaro: ok I get it, so I only type: "tar -lcv /|tar -C /mnt -x;" thanks again for your help, always :) |
| 22:43.49 | mischko | mith, Ok. |
| 22:44.00 | stouset | mischko: Dude, just try it already :P |
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| 22:44.09 | mischko | lol. Ok. |
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| 22:44.20 | mith | dondelelcaro: so then, the bots aren't going to unignore me i take it? |
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| 22:45.18 | dondelelcaro | mith: I've had it unignore you; if I see abuse, it'll ignore you again. |
| 22:45.34 | Sebo | Which packages I should apt-get to use java on my Debian GNU/Linux desktop or there is no such packages and the only way to get java is to install it from Sun ?? |
| 22:45.40 | stouset | dondelelcaro: Out of curiosity, how is bot abuse defined? |
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| 22:45.51 | stouset | Sebo: java-package. |
| 22:45.54 | enveezee | dondelelcaro: seems like more bad parse code there o_O |
| 22:46.08 | dumezil | how do i format a floppy to be bigger than 1440K? |
| 22:46.16 | stouset | Sebo: Grab that. Download the latest binary from Sun's site. Go into the directory with that .bin file, and run make-jpkg against it. |
| 22:46.31 | dondelelcaro | stouset: using the bot to abuse people, inserting factoids that shouldn't be inserted, deleting factoids that shouldn't be deleted, screwing up factoids. |
| 22:46.31 | aFlag | dumezil: there's no physical space for that |
| 22:46.39 | enveezee | stouset: publically addressing or triggering the bot about or for something that doesnt benefit at least one person other than yourself more than once |
| 22:46.54 | dondelelcaro | stouset: in effect, anything that outweighs whatever contributions you have made to the bot |
| 22:46.58 | Phated | enveezed! |
| 22:47.05 | enveezee | Phateded |
| 22:47.08 | dondelelcaro | enveezee: no, someone had screwed up that factoid. |
| 22:47.08 | Phated | Heh. |
| 22:48.09 | mith | dondelelcaro: i've never deleted or added anything frivolous to dpkg/apt i was never told why it was ignoring me, in fact, i tried to get the netinstall link off of it about 2 years back and it was ignoring me and that's all i know |
| 22:48.15 | ecliptik | what apps are there for log checking/reporting for security auditing? |
| 22:48.21 | Sebo | ...and than install that package made by make-jpkg :] << ok I'll try :) |
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| 22:49.14 | green_earz | stouset: so thanks |
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| 22:49.38 | e23rivas | epale |
| 22:49.39 | lightbright | dondelelcaro: "tar -lcv /|tar -C /mnt -x;" works great, thanks again! |
| 22:49.43 | mith | !netinst |
| 22:49.56 | mischko | stouset, I installed php4 on my apache2 system and restarted apache2. The error_log does not show that PHP is enabled. |
| 22:50.02 | mith | dondelelcaro: you sure it's unignored me? because the only thing I can get it to tell me is not to use ! in privmsg :( |
| 22:50.09 | jcurry | my kernel (2.6.13.4) tells me my usb printer is on fire...but it isn't...how can i print again? I'm running the latest sid |
| 22:50.22 | enveezee | mith: so stop using ! in private msg |
| 22:50.26 | enveezee | heh |
| 22:50.42 | Phated | ... heh. |
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| 22:50.57 | mith | enveezee: um, i did |
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| 22:51.02 | enveezee | good for you |
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| 22:51.13 | mith | enveezee: i only did that to see if it was responding to anything, and that's the only time it will respond to me at all. |
| 22:51.16 | andax | a little offtopic but could someone send me a gmail invitation? |
| 22:51.23 | stouset | mischko: Because you didn't install the php module. |
| 22:51.28 | stouset | mischko: You installed php4. |
| 22:51.35 | thc | andax: you don't need to be invited anymore. |
| 22:51.36 | enveezee | Phated: have you ever had that feeling ... like you were working with the handicapped? |
| 22:51.38 | stouset | mischko: php4 != libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 22:51.41 | andax | oh thanks |
| 22:51.48 | Phated | enveezee: Dude, that's harsh. |
| 22:51.53 | mischko | stouset, sheesh. |
| 22:51.54 | mebsd | gmail is free now? |
| 22:51.59 | enveezee | Phated: happens to me a lot. |
| 22:51.59 | stouset | mischko: :) |
| 22:52.03 | Phated | enveezee: The handicapped would be hurt if they heard you say that. |
| 22:52.08 | Phated | mebsd: ... always has been. |
| 22:52.19 | bucky | mischko, libapache2-mod-php4 will only work with apache2-mpm-prefork ...is that what you have? |
| 22:52.20 | Emiliobeto | hello some one speak spanisd |
| 22:52.23 | Emiliobeto | spanish |
| 22:52.30 | mebsd | i thought we need at least invitation |
| 22:52.36 | mischko | bucky, yes. It's standard linux stuff. |
| 22:52.40 | Phated | You always needed an invite. |
| 22:52.42 | enveezee | Phated: I could make them see the humor in the fact there are "perfectly normal" people out there worse off than they are |
| 22:52.47 | Phated | Still do, as of last night. |
| 22:52.59 | LoRez | Emiliobeto: #debian-es |
| 22:53.01 | Phated | enveezee: Indeed, I know plenty of 'handicapped' who are quite bright. |
| 22:53.11 | Phated | dondelelcaro! dpkg is gone! :O |
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| 22:53.19 | dondelelcaro | Phated: yes... |
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| 22:53.32 | bucky | mischko, there are four different mpm's for apache2 ...which one do you have ? |
| 22:53.39 | stouset | Phated: And plenty of non-handicapped people who are dumber than a pile of horse bladders. |
| 22:53.55 | deadcat | is gcc4 used to compile the 2.6.14-1 kernel? |
| 22:54.00 | Phated | stouset: I was going to not say that, on account of how two ops are around right now, but yeh, all right. :) |
| 22:54.03 | mischko | bucky, mpm-prefork. |
| 22:54.21 | stouset | bucky: Shouldn't be a problem. libapache2-mod-php4 depends on the prefork mpm, which conflicts with the other mpms. |
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| 22:54.41 | stouset | Phated: What's wrong with saying that? :\ |
| 22:54.44 | enveezee | Phated, stouset: the basic laws of human stupidity outline that you will have the same fraction/percent S stupid people in any group you examine |
| 22:54.44 | mith | dondelelcaro: wow, was my ignore like hardcoded in or something? heh |
| 22:54.48 | mischko | I have a live site on BSD that I have to move over to Linux for a while until the rewrite into Python is completed. |
| 22:54.53 | dondelelcaro | mith: yes, it was hard coded originally. |
| 22:55.10 | stouset | enveezee: Not true. If you look at a group of smart people, I bet you would have fewer stupid people. |
| 22:55.13 | enveezee | ... also states that being stupid is irrespective of any other quality of a person. |
| 22:55.18 | dondelelcaro | indeed, you were the reason why I changed that section of code originally. |
| 22:55.22 | mith | dondelelcaro: along with kawfee i take it, because that's the only thing i can think of i ever did that was 'abusive' |
| 22:55.27 | enveezee | stouset: really? |
| 22:55.28 | Phated | enveezee: And then there is #d... |
| 22:55.34 | enveezee | stouset: whats your proof? |
| 22:55.36 | Phated | Which disobeys every known law. |
| 22:55.53 | enveezee | stouset: maybe stupid is relative. therefore it is true |
| 22:55.54 | stouset | Phated: It obeys the law of disobeying all relevant laws? |
| 22:56.00 | Phated | stouset: Not even. |
| 22:56.09 | mischko | maybe stupid is absolute. therefore it is true. :) |
| 22:56.09 | stouset | Phated: Whoa. |
| 22:56.38 | stouset | Maybe stupid is fixed, and stays put whether or not you scroll up/down the page. |
| 22:56.44 | jcurry | i have a usb printer, and the kde printer setup want the access port to be /dev/usb/lp0, but i don't have a /dev/usb dire...i am using udev/hotplug, on kernel 2.6.13.4 |
| 22:57.00 | enveezee | stouset: stupidity is in fact just one half of the human decision making plane. it includes to a certain degree the helpless and the bandits as well |
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| 22:57.29 | stouset | I am highly supportive of banditry. |
| 22:57.32 | mischko | I've heard of some very smart criminals. |
| 22:58.05 | stouset | mischko: But maybe banditry is relative, and therefore true. |
| 22:58.59 | mischko | stouset, that begs the question, relative to what? something absolute? |
| 22:59.20 | enveezee | the basic laws of human stupidity laid it out on a graphic plane the X and Y axis represented the gain/loss to each party. ++ was Intelligent, -+ Helpless, -- Stupid, +- Bandit. http://www.ecotopia.com/webpress/stupidity |
| 22:59.20 | stouset | mischko: Of course not. Something fixed, that won't move when you scroll the page. |
| 22:59.37 | mischko | so the absolute thing is the page? |
| 22:59.46 | stouset | mischko: No, the page scrolls. Duh. |
| 22:59.59 | mischko | The scroll scrolls. The page doesn't? |
| 23:00.01 | mischko | ;) |
| 23:00.07 | stouset | Sure! |
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| 23:00.14 | mischko | The page scrolls on something absolute. |
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| 23:01.05 | mischko | There has to be an absolute somewhere around here. |
| 23:02.07 | mischko | do you know how to say, "off topic"? :) |
| 23:02.10 | enveezee | I dont limit where mine comes from |
| 23:02.14 | Estes | Hey everyone ! just a quick question... as upgrading to testing, i choosen to take xorg instead of xfree86... but now after a while, X freezes.... how do i revert back to xfree please ? |
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| 23:02.31 | mischko | Estes, a big hammer. |
| 23:02.33 | gravity | Estes: There is no XFree86 in testing |
| 23:02.33 | enveezee | I got inspired by a free newstand someone dropped off at cogos the other night |
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| 23:02.45 | Estes | hum |
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| 23:02.56 | gravity | Estes: Are you running a proprietary nvidia or ati driver? |
| 23:03.04 | enveezee | I was like woah, someone dropped of a free news stand there.. that gives me an idea. |
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| 23:03.13 | Estes | gravity, if it gave me the choice... i am more likely to think i had the opportunity to keep it |
| 23:03.25 | Estes | gravity, no, the X driver for ati |
| 23:03.25 | gravity | Estes: Sorry. Debian is going all xorg |
| 23:03.45 | Estes | gravity, i got nothing aginst it, as long it stops freezing ;) |
| 23:03.46 | gravity | Estes: Does it freeze when you're running 3d apps? Do you have DRI? |
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| 23:04.18 | enveezee | its like ideas are always floating around in your head, you just need to see, imagine or visualize something to relate it to before you can really understand the idea clearly |
| 23:04.20 | Estes | no |
| 23:04.25 | thc | gravity: this is trivial, and i don't really care if it works or not, but can you enable a 'side-scrolling' mouse wheel by adding an axis mapping to xorg.conf? |
| 23:04.37 | gianny | I'm thinking about the name of the next release of Debian! |
| 23:04.39 | enveezee | I walk a lot. and it helps me think :P |
| 23:04.39 | Estes | simply when playing simple 2d games or leaving it alonew |
| 23:04.47 | gravity | thc: To be honest, I don't know. I've never had such a wheel. You can check man xorg.conf though |
| 23:04.56 | spiller- | gianny ehe what name? |
| 23:04.58 | thc | alrighty |
| 23:05.08 | gianny | "trapan8: the way you code & hack" |
| 23:05.11 | gianny | what do you think? |
| 23:05.21 | Estes | well |
| 23:05.31 | gravity | Estes: Could you post your xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log in a pastebin or two? |
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| 23:05.35 | Estes | i do a dist-upgrade, maybe this problem i got was fixed |
| 23:05.41 | gravity | Estes: I doubt it |
| 23:05.43 | Sneg | how can i start debian on a very small hard drive, have it load the pcmcia network drivers and set up a network, and then load all the large files from a nfs server? |
| 23:05.50 | gravity | Estes: Seeing as I'm the xorg maintainer for Debian, I know what changed |
| 23:05.54 | Sneg | i have searched google a lot, and could find no way to do this |
| 23:05.55 | Estes | gravity, all right, just after it'll crash i'll do this after reboot |
| 23:06.00 | gravity | Estes: Don't crash it |
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| 23:06.04 | gravity | Estes: Just send me your config |
| 23:06.08 | Sneg | the hard drive size i'm using is 250MB |
| 23:06.11 | gianny | so? |
| 23:06.13 | gravity | Estes: Try disabling DRI and see if you still get crashes |
| 23:06.18 | Estes | HAHAHA gravity i'd like it not to crash |
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| 23:06.22 | gravity | Estes: You can just comment out the "load dri" line |
| 23:06.30 | Estes | gravity, ok, i will disable it |
| 23:06.33 | Estes | ok |
| 23:06.40 | gravity | Estes: If it still crashes after that, please file a bug using reportbug against xserver-xorg |
| 23:06.45 | gravity | Estes: We can take a look at it then |
| 23:07.00 | Estes | yes |
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| 23:07.03 | Estes | as usual |
| 23:07.09 | Estes | i always bug report |
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| 23:07.21 | Estes | i'm a unofficial debian dev so... |
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| 23:07.55 | enveezee | I am an official debian non-developer |
| 23:08.31 | enveezee | or I officially developed nothing for debian rather |
| 23:08.33 | jcurry | me to |
| 23:09.05 | jcurry | too* |
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| 23:09.44 | Estes | enveezee, yes, or i maintain hwtools |
| 23:09.56 | tkooda | I somehow deleted the partition map on a disk while using the sarge cd to install to a different disk.. can anyone recomend a way to get the data off that ext3 fs when I don't have the partition map anymore? |
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| 23:10.06 | Estes | poor bitch, there's people that work without beeing official |
| 23:10.21 | Estes | in other words, shut up please |
| 23:10.39 | gravity | Hey, calm down |
| 23:10.44 | gravity | I don't think he was making fun of you |
| 23:10.49 | Estes | sorry |
| 23:10.52 | Estes | bad mood today |
| 23:10.57 | Estes | i took it that way |
| 23:11.08 | Estes | if he wasn't, sorry |
| 23:11.08 | enveezee | doesnt matter, you are arguing with my terminal while I am outside :P |
| 23:11.27 | Estes | enveezee, i was only trying to overflow it :P |
| 23:11.28 | enveezee | I wish I had a telescope |
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| 23:11.53 | enveezee | I've been observing some cool looking shit lately |
| 23:12.32 | spiller- | gianny i think "roar" |
| 23:12.35 | enveezee | telescopes arent cheap. and I imagine the cheap ones arent good for much but spying on the neighbors |
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| 23:12.43 | enveezee | I want a good one you can see into space with :P |
| 23:14.33 | tkooda | if I create single (entire disk) partition, create an ext3 fs on it, create some dirs/files on it, and then delete that partition (map)... is it possible to recover the data from that fs by just using the same tool to create the (exact??) same partition (map) again, and then the fs will still be intact? |
| 23:14.50 | enveezee | tkooda: gpart maybe |
| 23:15.13 | enveezee | tkooda: not sure what you are saying you did there though |
| 23:15.21 | tkooda | enveezee, thanks for the heads up on gpart.. I'll check it out |
| 23:15.41 | enveezee | tkooda: its recovered at 60G partition for me before |
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| 23:17.03 | lightbright | bucky: hello there |
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| 23:18.02 | tkooda | enveezee, I had a full 80GB I wanted to install to, but a new empty 300GB.. I ran the sarge installer; when I got to the partitioner I remembered I needed stuff off that 80GB first, so I went to tty2 and partitioned+mke2fs'd the 300GB, then mounted(ro) the 80GB and copied the data from the 80 to the 300, then I unmounted both and went back to the sarge partitioner and partitioned the 80 the way I wanted it |
| 23:18.58 | tkooda | ..and even though I never touched the 300 disk in the partitioner, when I hit "save partition changes to disk" in the sarge partitioner, it zero'ed out the partion map on my 300 |
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| 23:19.31 | tkooda | ..so I've got a 300MB ext3fs on a single partion (w/80GB on it) but no partition map |
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| 23:20.59 | deadcat | is gcc4 used to compile the 2.6.14-1 kernel? someone using 2.6.14-1 check please |
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| 23:21.25 | doleyb | i have 2.6.14, and I compiled with gcc-4.0.3, i don't know if that was recommended though |
| 23:21.43 | deadcat | doleyb: oh. is is recommending gcc3? |
| 23:22.00 | doleyb | deadcat: no, I just don't know what is recommended, but with 4.0.3 it's running right now |
| 23:22.33 | fooz | the kernel source still recommends gcc 2.95.3 |
| 23:22.34 | deadcat | doleyb: cool. i compiled it with 4 as well but i waits for ever after ext3 stuff and "freeing kernel memory" i dont know whats up |
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| 23:23.16 | fooz | I compiled with gcc 4 with no problems |
| 23:23.56 | deadcat | i dont know whats up then. could be my hardware problems |
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| 23:26.10 | liable | try compiling it again.. |
| 23:27.06 | deadcat | liable: ya. doing it right now.. i AM using grsec patch though |
| 23:27.48 | liable | deadcat: well, if it fails again, mebbe try without the patch, i guess. |
| 23:27.51 | deadcat | but i am gonna reinstall the entire machine after the semester is over anyway. since i cant figure out why X hangs so often and glxgear is only 400fps |
| 23:27.57 | deadcat | liable: ya |
| 23:28.35 | liable | i only get ~600 with my radeon, but x doesnt hang on me. |
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| 23:29.30 | deadcat | liable: nvidia here. i know i am doing something wrong. because it didnt have problem when i was using 1 monitor and a crappier nvidia card. but thats like 1.5 yrs ago i think (= |
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| 23:29.57 | liable | deadcat: oh, thought you had a 7500. |
| 23:30.02 | FarrisG | can anyone point me in the right direction on how to get or build the tg3/broadcom ethernet module for a 2.6.11 kernel? |
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| 23:30.16 | deadcat | liable: ya. thats what i have right now. used to have a 32MB one (= |
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| 23:34.12 | mlewis00 | If I installed Sarge with a 2.6 kernel during the initial setup would I create any problems if I installed a 2.4 kernel? My video driver is only available for the 2.4 kernel and I think this is causing lockup on resume from suspend. Thanks. |
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| 23:35.00 | Unified | which vid do you have? |
| 23:35.14 | thingfish | in theory, you should be able to use a 2.4 kernel fine in sarge. |
| 23:35.25 | thc | mlewis00: you can have more than one kernel installed, and choose kernels in the grub menu |
| 23:35.32 | mlewis00 | Intel chipset... |
| 23:35.39 | bucky | apt-cache search kernel-image ...choose one and install it |
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| 23:36.52 | mlewis00 | thc: Well, I know that but I didn't know if there would be any problems with modules, etc. or if just installing the new kernel would automatically install the modules for that kerne. |
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| 23:37.35 | thc | mlewis00: depends, 2.6 kernel may be compiled with things you need, and you might have to patch a 2.4 kernel to get it to work |
| 23:37.47 | thc | it depends on what you are doing |
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| 23:39.34 | mlewis00 | thc: Oh, well, I just want to be able to close the lid on the laptop and have it suspend and then resume normally...I can't think of any other special thing that I would be doing except for hoping that I didn't have to go through a lot of additional trouble to get the hardware working with a 2.4 kernel. |
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| 23:40.21 | thc | mlewis00: it doesn't take long to install one and reboot, if a 2.4 gives you any problems, reboot the 2.6 |
| 23:41.14 | mlewis00 | thc: That's what I thought but I wasn't sure about the modules that are in use now being compatible with the older kernel. |
| 23:42.24 | bucky | mlewis00, you might need apt-cache search kernel-patch-suspend |
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| 23:42.55 | bucky | maybe module-assistant can install it for you |
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| 23:45.26 | mlewis00 | bucky: Hmmm, does the 2.6 kernel need that patch to resume correctly from suspend (suspended by echo standby > /sys/power/state) ? |
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| 23:46.07 | rking | is there a way to get a list of the dns names that point to a given IP? or is there something about the dns architecture that would make this impossible, or even ridiculous? |
| 23:46.25 | mlewis00 | bucky: Maybe that is the problem with it resuming without locking up and not the video driver... |
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| 23:46.44 | bucky | mlewis00, what's it called i don't have it... apt-cache show kernel-patch-suspend and see what it says |
| 23:47.22 | fooz | rking, it's both ridiculous and impossible (for different reasons) |
| 23:48.10 | fooz | rking, ridiculous because you would have to look up every DNS entry that exists to find all of the entries with a specific record result |
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| 23:48.36 | mlewis00 | bucky: Well, that wasn't the question but maybe I'll find the answer in the docs for the patch...Thanks! :) |
| 23:48.36 | fooz | rking, and impossible because to do that, you would need permission to make zone transfers of every zone that exists, and most simply don't allow that |
| 23:48.41 | rking | oh.. right... it's just a one-way map... i can picture it now |
| 23:48.56 | sobersabre | hi, i need a good mailing list manager. preferrably safe... any ideas ? ( i've found mailman,majordomo,listserv ) |
| 23:49.05 | sobersabre | and "minimalist" |
| 23:49.05 | rking | aha, i've got a workaround for the thing i want to do. thanks for talking it through with me fooz |
| 23:49.19 | Joyrider | rking, actually, whois.sc makes an attempt at caching dns -> ip mapping data |
| 23:49.22 | fooz | rking, you can only guess what DNS records exist in a zone unless you can do a zone transfer and see them all |
| 23:49.34 | Joyrider | rking: try http://www.whois.sc/reverse-ip/ but unfortunately you need to sign up for an account |
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| 23:52.35 | FarrisG | Can you use module-assistant to build a module for a kernel you have installed, but aren't currently running under? |
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| 23:53.20 | sobersabre | FarrisG, yes, but it involves a mess |
| 23:53.42 | sobersabre | you need somehow to specify which kernel headers you want to use and where to put the modules. |
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| 23:54.07 | Kalidarn | anyone compiled X-Chat for debian yet? |
| 23:54.13 | Kalidarn | version 2.6.0 |
| 23:54.29 | sobersabre | Kalidarn what's so interestng in 2.6.0 ? |
| 23:54.32 | lightbright | Kalidarn: I use: apt-get build-dep xchat ; apt-get -b source xchat; |
| 23:54.46 | Kalidarn | ah ok |
| 23:54.49 | lightbright | Kalidarn: that works well for me |
| 23:55.11 | lightbright | Kalidarn: not sure what the latest version for that is though, im using 2.4.5 |
| 23:55.19 | Kalidarn | mm same |
| 23:55.31 | lightbright | Kalidarn: whats new in 2.6.0? |
| 23:55.31 | Kalidarn | i am a update whore |
| 23:55.36 | lightbright | Kalidarn: lol |
| 23:55.38 | Kalidarn | i like being up 2 date |
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| 23:55.44 | lightbright | Kalidarn: yeah me too :) |
| 23:55.58 | Kalidarn | i read somewhere they changed GUI a bit |
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| 23:56.49 | lightbright | Kalidarn: ah ok |
| 23:57.04 | cheal | Kalidarn: anyone happens to have left the channel |
| 23:57.28 | Kalidarn | ? |
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| 23:59.11 | mlewis00 | Hmm, kernel-patch-suspend...no such package in sarge for _any_ kernel... |
| 23:59.17 | cheal | Kalidarn: you were talking to anyone, I'm telling you what to expect from that |
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