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| 00:05.07 | jamuraa | do newer automake versions actually break compiling older sources? |
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| 00:06.35 | dfinn_ | i'm having a bitch of a time getting logcheck configured. anyone got logcheck skills they want to share? |
| 00:07.19 | bbrazil | dfinn_: just throw out your question. if you're lucky I'll remember how logcheck works |
| 00:07.36 | mith | jamuraa: ya, isn't it wonderful |
| 00:07.58 | dfinn_ | i can't seem to get it to exclude things that I don't want to continue to get emails about |
| 00:08.07 | dfinn_ | for example, I don't want any emails from qmail-scanner |
| 00:08.28 | jamuraa | mith: great. I'm gonna hide in a hole now because the problem I've been hitting my head against for the last 3 hours was caused by using automake 1.4 and not an earlier version :( |
| 00:08.33 | dfinn_ | I've put qmail-scanner.* in /etc/logcheck/ignore.d/qmail and various other places but I'm still getting the emails from logcheck |
| 00:08.35 | bbrazil | are these warnings, alerts or unmatched lines? |
| 00:09.02 | mith | jamuraa: ya, i'm pretty sure everyone's been there at least once. |
| 00:09.09 | mith | jamuraa: pain in the fucking ass. |
| 00:09.10 | dfinn_ | sometimes they show up as "Possible Security Violations" and other times they show up as "Unusual System Events" |
| 00:09.42 | bbrazil | dfinn_: there's another directory - you might have to create it, you'll also have to set a config var |
| 00:09.55 | bbrazil | dfinn_: it'll let you specify 'ultimate ignore' lines |
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| 00:10.13 | dfinn_ | bbrazil: where would I find out more about this? there's no man page and very little documentation on the web |
| 00:10.28 | bbrazil | dfinn_: take a peek at the source |
| 00:10.48 | bbrazil | dfinn_: just search for ignore.d |
| 00:10.51 | dfinn_ | bbrazil: oh boy. i'll give it a show |
| 00:10.53 | dfinn_ | shot |
| 00:11.05 | bbrazil | dfinn_: last time I checked (woody) the code wasn't too bad |
| 00:11.12 | sobersabre | guys, how is the connection between smtp and the mailing list software made ? where can I read it ? |
| 00:11.43 | bbrazil | sobersabre: there's entries in /etc/aliases that pipe mail to mailman |
| 00:12.01 | mith | sobersabre: it entirely depends on the MTA |
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| 00:12.38 | sobersabre | bbrazil thanks, and do _all_ mailing list soft. packages work with all the MTAs or is there some limitations ? |
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| 00:12.59 | sobersabre | i mean can i run mailman on qmail,sendmail, exim4 etc. ? |
| 00:14.05 | bbrazil | sobersabre: should be all the same |
| 00:14.31 | bbrazil | sobersabre: assuming 'standard' software |
| 00:14.47 | sobersabre | ok |
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| 00:15.12 | sobersabre | another stupid q.: which is the most convenient popper ? |
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| 00:15.27 | sobersabre | preferrably able to work with virtual users ... |
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| 00:15.56 | mith | sobersabre: i wouldn't use mailman with qmail because ezmlm is just so much better, but yes |
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| 00:16.28 | sobersabre | mith, i've seen there's ezmlm in qmail |
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| 00:16.45 | sobersabre | i am just investigating the surface.. |
| 00:17.02 | mith | sobersabre: you never said what MTA you're using, so there's no answer to your other question. It depends on the mailbox format you're using, how you're doing virtual users, etc |
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| 00:17.26 | sobersabre | mith, alright |
| 00:17.52 | vapier | i want to install debian in just a chroot to toy with ... is there a working image i can download, unpack, and chroot into ? |
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| 00:18.49 | sobersabre | I am really newbie in email. I know of 2 formats: maildir and mbox. what's the difference between the so many a different MTAs ? |
| 00:18.56 | sobersabre | the mail load ? |
| 00:19.32 | dondelelcaro | sobersabre: there are a few hundred different ways of looking at your mail and interacting with it |
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| 00:20.03 | dondelelcaro | sobersabre: new users tend to gravitate towards things like evolution, balsa et al; those who deal with thousands of messages a day tend to use things like mutt and/or gnus. |
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| 00:20.19 | vapier | those arent mta's ;) |
| 00:20.26 | sobersabre | dondelelcaro hundred <----- i'd say you're exaggerrating ... 2-3 orders of magnitude.. |
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| 00:20.44 | sobersabre | dondelelcaro, I mean I am newbie to email administration... I use mutt :) |
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| 00:21.00 | devazion | Hi, I am experiencing crashes with Noatun all the time (can't even start it) using Testing. I cannot find mplayer package or xine. What package contains a movie player that I can use to play my videofiles in? =/ |
| 00:21.01 | dvs | !beer sobersabre |
| 00:21.08 | dave_thomas | i just installed kernel-image-2.4.27-386 using apt-get and i get VFS: unable to mount... could it be that this kernel does not come with IDE support? |
| 00:21.28 | dondelelcaro | sobersabre: no, I'm not actually... |
| 00:21.32 | dvs | dave_thomas: No, it usually means you never put the initrd in properly |
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| 00:21.47 | sobersabre | do you mean MUAs or MDAs ? |
| 00:21.56 | dvs | only? |
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| 00:22.05 | thingfish | damn |
| 00:22.08 | devazion | Testing really lacks a movie player, or does it? |
| 00:22.11 | sobersabre | I am now trying to be the mail admin, so I don't care the client's software :) |
| 00:22.17 | dave_thomas | dvs: my lilo conf looks good from what I can tell, and i'm able to boot into the old kernel, 2.2.20 -- is there something further required to add the initrd support? |
| 00:22.36 | dondelelcaro | sobersabre: ah; yeah, generally maildir is the way to go for lots of users with large mailboxes, unless you have a lot of users with small mailboxes. |
| 00:22.42 | resiak | devazion: I am currently watching Red Dwarf, so I can testify that it does not. |
| 00:22.51 | dvs | dave_thomas: If there was, apt-get would have got it for you when you installed the kernel image |
| 00:23.04 | devazion | resiak: That's good news! What movie player do you use? |
| 00:23.13 | resiak | devazion: totem-xine |
| 00:23.13 | mebsd | cyrus is the best |
| 00:23.23 | dvs | dave_thomas: Does your lilo.conf have a initrd= in the 2.4.27 section? |
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| 00:24.05 | dave_thomas | dvs: no -- let me take a look at how to add that in there -- if i have any problems i'll ask again. thanks! |
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| 00:24.14 | dvs | dave_thomas: No problem |
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| 00:24.23 | devazion | resiak: Nice, that turned out to be the only movie player in testing though xD Thanks mate |
| 00:24.30 | resiak | devazion: No, it's not. |
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| 00:25.08 | k-man | whats a good fixed font for viewing on screen? particularly at the smaller font sizes? |
| 00:25.09 | devazion | resiak: the rest of them has packages that isnt avaible |
| 00:25.14 | id10t | 'lo all |
| 00:25.22 | k-man | when i say good, i mean most readable |
| 00:25.26 | mith | k-man: monaco |
| 00:25.34 | Metrics | Does anyone know if security is working at the moment? |
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| 00:26.04 | resiak | k-man: terminus |
| 00:26.05 | k-man | monaco? |
| 00:26.08 | k-man | terminus? |
| 00:26.09 | k-man | hmm |
| 00:26.09 | k-man | thanks |
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| 00:26.30 | lightbright | is emacs a good text editor worth installing? |
| 00:26.42 | mith | k-man: terminus is a crappy bitmap font though and most people wouldn't consider it legible, just some weird geeks. :P |
| 00:26.50 | dvs | lightbright: Hmm... let me th... YES!!! |
| 00:26.53 | Metrics | lightbright: I don't want to offend anyone, but have you tried vim. |
| 00:26.55 | cyberWhiz | lightbright: editors are def a personal preference |
| 00:26.57 | k-man | mith, ok |
| 00:26.58 | k-man | thanks |
| 00:26.59 | lightbright | dvs: hehe ok ;) |
| 00:27.04 | cyberWhiz | lightbright: im a big vim fan as well |
| 00:27.06 | mith | k-man: monaco is the default fixed with font on os x, it might not be legal to obtain in other formats. :( |
| 00:27.08 | dvs | lightbright: I use xemacs actually. |
| 00:27.13 | mith | fixed width, even |
| 00:27.15 | lightbright | Metrics: no I havent. I will try vim, thanks for the tip |
| 00:27.21 | k-man | mith, ok |
| 00:27.21 | k-man | thanks |
| 00:27.26 | lightbright | cyberWhiz: ok, vim sounds good |
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| 00:27.32 | lightbright | dvs: ok |
| 00:27.41 | SuperPhly | what's the command to do the debian setup on the 2nd boot up? |
| 00:27.42 | cheal | Metrics: what do you mean? |
| 00:27.49 | dvs | !start a editor war |
| 00:27.57 | cheal | SuperPhly: base-config ? |
| 00:28.05 | SuperPhly | cheal: do i just run base-config? |
| 00:28.06 | k-man | mith, is there any free fonts? |
| 00:28.06 | Metrics | cheal: Well, is security updates working? |
| 00:28.18 | k-man | that are readable? |
| 00:28.21 | cheal | SuperPhly: what do you want to do? |
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| 00:28.36 | mith | k-man: not in my opinion, but i'm spoiled by osx's fonts and font rendering, so I'm biased. |
| 00:28.47 | cheal | Metrics: how could they not work? |
| 00:28.50 | k-man | mith... fair enough |
| 00:28.55 | mith | k-man: there's at least a couple decent ones, but i can't remember names |
| 00:29.09 | k-man | mith, oh, thats helpful, thanks ;) |
| 00:29.12 | SuperPhly | cheal: i'm having to do a crazy work around to get sarge to install... have to use a 2.6.12+ kernel to recognize my scsi controller, then have to create the lvm's and junk |
| 00:29.14 | SuperPhly | not a pretty task |
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| 00:29.29 | Metrics | cheal:I can't update the package lists, keep getting Failed to open file. from the server in aptitude |
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| 00:29.41 | marcot | Where does the sid evolution search for spell files? |
| 00:29.44 | mith | k-man: if you have a legal windows license you can grab courier new (which is 'ok' but not great, but definately legible) and stick it on a linux box, it might also be available in microsoft's free font pack they provided a while back and yanked. |
| 00:29.47 | cheal | Metrics: which server? |
| 00:29.54 | marcot | I installed aspell-pt-br but it's not showing in the evolution options? |
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| 00:30.13 | Metrics | cheal:security.debian.org |
| 00:30.24 | loki35 | Lotus Notes Client for linux? (Not WINE neither x-connect i just want to read mails from lotus) |
| 00:30.24 | k-man | mith, no, i don't really like courier for a legible font |
| 00:30.40 | mith | k-man: you might look at terminus, some people like it, but if you don't think courier's legible, then terminus is a trainwreck. :) |
| 00:31.11 | cheal | SuperPhly: I don't really understand how you're proceeding, so I can't say if you just have to run that |
| 00:31.25 | mith | k-man: welcome to fonts on unix-like systems. It's sad really. :( |
| 00:31.41 | cheal | Metrics: so, apt-get update gives you errors from security.d.o? |
| 00:31.49 | SuperPhly | cheal: yeah, it's quite complex... i'm having to write my own lilo.conf to boot from lvm on raid, and compile my kernel so that the lvm&raid drivers are built in :) |
| 00:31.56 | k-man | mith, yeah |
| 00:32.04 | k-man | on my windows box i have played with profontwindows |
| 00:32.09 | lightbright | yeah, that vim looks and is great :) |
| 00:32.15 | dave_thomas | if you do not set a default= in lilo.conf will you be prompted for what image to boot? |
| 00:32.17 | Metrics | cheal: yep...and whois security.debian.org is returning NOT FOUND. |
| 00:32.23 | k-man | mith, http://www.tobias-jung.de/seekingprofont/ |
| 00:32.38 | Metrics | cheal: But other whois's work fine including debian.org |
| 00:32.46 | cyberWhiz | lightbright: nice... its very powerful so make sure to read up on it :] |
| 00:33.01 | lightbright | cyberWhiz: yeah , im going to read the manual |
| 00:33.26 | pattieja | lightbright, hello |
| 00:33.32 | Metrics | lightbright: I did the same, and now the only problem I find is I use vim commands in other programs (oocalc comes to mind) |
| 00:33.38 | lightbright | pattieja: hello there :) |
| 00:33.43 | cheal | Metrics: show the errors |
| 00:33.45 | pattieja | lightbright, how went the migration? |
| 00:33.49 | loki35 | Somebody here can tell me how can I read mails from Lotus Notes |
| 00:33.50 | lightbright | Metrics: :) |
| 00:33.53 | loki35 | Not WINE |
| 00:34.01 | mith | k-man: that font should work fine in linux |
| 00:34.03 | loki35 | Neither X-connect |
| 00:34.08 | Metrics | Failed to fetch ftp://security.debian.org/dists/sarge/updates/contrib/binary-i386/Packages.gz Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 194.109.137.218 21] |
| 00:34.14 | cyberWhiz | Metrics: hahah yeah, i hit esc : w in pretty much every program i use |
| 00:34.41 | k-man | mith, yeah, ill give it a go |
| 00:34.43 | Metrics | cyberWhiz: At least it isn't just me. |
| 00:34.56 | mith | k-man: but um, that doesn't look entirely legal unless they're paying royalties to whomever owns monaco. Fonts aren't free in general. :( |
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| 00:35.08 | mith | k-man: GOOD fonts aren't free, anyways. |
| 00:35.15 | cheal | Metrics: what's your sources.list entry? |
| 00:35.18 | k-man | mith, yeah, i have noticed that |
| 00:35.18 | lightbright | pattieja: you were a big help yesterday,thanks for all your help. Its worked great and I couldnt figure out the command cd /; tar --exclude /mnt -cvf - . | tar -C /mnt -xf - you gave me sorry, But dondelelcaro gave me a command today: from source hdb root, I type: tar -lcv /|tar -C /mnt -x; |
| 00:35.40 | Metrics | deb ftp://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib |
| 00:35.49 | pattieja | lightbright, yeah, that would work |
| 00:35.56 | Metrics | cheal: But it's been working fine for ages, just recently stopped working. |
| 00:36.42 | Metrics | cheal: It fails for both main and contrib. |
| 00:36.43 | cheal | Metrics: check http://security.debian.org for the right line to use |
| 00:36.47 | lightbright | pattieja: yeah :) and your commands you gave me yesterday creating partitions and mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda1 all worked great :) |
| 00:36.58 | pattieja | what about grub-install? |
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| 00:37.12 | lightbright | pattieja: yeah all worked great |
| 00:37.19 | pattieja | great |
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| 00:38.14 | lightbright | pattieja: what I did was use the cp -fra command though because I couldnt fogure out the tar! and Debian loaded etc from hda, but after speaking with dondelelcaro today, im going to do it again using that tar command as I think cp -fra may have missed some crucial files |
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| 00:38.54 | pattieja | lightbright, that is possible |
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| 00:39.29 | Metrics | cheal: Ahh...okay, working now. security.debian.org just moved hosting, I wonder if the old server had ftp but the new one doesn't, as that's the only change. |
| 00:39.53 | Metrics | cheal: Thanks. |
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| 00:40.22 | cheal | Metrics: no problem. it didn't just move, security.d.o is now a round-robin DNS |
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| 00:40.49 | Metrics | cheal: Okay, but did it used to have ftp access? |
| 00:41.07 | cheal | Metrics: possibly. it seems to still have ftp access |
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| 00:42.07 | houman_zhu | hi, when i boot into sarge i see a bunch of messages regarding a "yenta socket" thing, but when i look into dmesg to see what is going on there is nothing related to yenta, shouldnt my boot messages appear in dmesg? :| |
| 00:42.08 | TjNix | how can i install multiple cd games with cedega? |
| 00:42.25 | Metrics | cheal: Okay, then...oh well. It's working now. |
| 00:42.35 | resiak | houman_zhu: No. |
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| 00:42.46 | resiak | TjNix: Ask the Cedega people? |
| 00:42.55 | sobersabre | how many machines does one need to setup email system ( SMTP, pop3d ) ? |
| 00:43.05 | houman_zhu | resiak: no :| then where cam i find the boot messages? they roll too fast so i cant read them on the screeen |
| 00:43.13 | sunsun | hi whats the latest kernel in testing? does it support sata and is it on the install disc? (i had to goto ubuntu bc no sata buti want to return to debian asap!) |
| 00:43.41 | resiak | sunsun: You can look at packages.debian.org just as well as we can |
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| 00:44.11 | resiak | houman_zhu: Not a clue mate :) |
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| 00:44.36 | id10t | sunsun find the config file for the ubutnu kernel and use it to compile a kernel on/for your debian system |
| 00:44.37 | houman_zhu | but it doesnt make sense, shouldnt the boot messages apepar in dmesg? |
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| 00:45.17 | id10t | sobersabre i've been running that and more on a old iMac with 256mb ram |
| 00:45.30 | Gigs | I've got a cable modem now; I had satellite internet and dial-up modem previously. It used to be I could stay connected on ssh forever, but now it kicks idle connections off after about an hour. I'm sure it's something the cable system is doing, but is there a way to work around this? I tried the "keepalive" option on sshd but that didn't seem to help. |
| 00:45.41 | houman_zhu | sunsun: i think 2.4 works with sata on my laptop., but the 2.6 stock kernel doesnt work, i had to recompile fo rmyself and make sure you change hda in grub to sda cuz it wont change it for you |
| 00:46.19 | OldakQuill | Can anyone think of why Totem wouldn't be playing sound where everything else does? |
| 00:46.32 | sobersabre | id10t, don't be an id10t :) I am talking about a company, not my home network. |
| 00:46.34 | FarrisG | Can anyone help me get this broadcom NIC working under a 2.6 kernel? Am I just plain SOL? |
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| 00:47.00 | sunsun | houman_zhu thats exactly what happened to me. but i dont have the skill to compile kernel, i have to wait for the installer to do it |
| 00:47.01 | sobersabre | FarrisG which NIC is this ? |
| 00:47.15 | houman_zhu | sunusn: then dont waste time with debian, go to ubuntu |
| 00:47.26 | houman_zhu | sunsun: you have a laptop right? |
| 00:47.39 | id10t | sobersabre well, technically, i am a company :) depends on how many users and how proactive you want to be. biggest thing i'd worry about is plenty of storage, preferrably very redundant NAS. |
| 00:47.40 | FarrisG | sobersabre: A broadcom 5704 |
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| 00:47.54 | sunsun | houman_zhu i used debian for a long time, when i dont have compile anything its fine, in fact i went to debian because i didnt want to compile things for slackware all the time |
| 00:47.55 | marc7 | question... I need to create a custom sarge netinst cd... should I be using the sid disk images or the sarge disk images? |
| 00:48.09 | houman_zhu | sunsun: debian has lotsa howtos and a nice forum and it makes it really easy for people to move to linux, the debian forum is dead as wqell as the irc channel as you can see |
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| 00:48.26 | FarrisG | sobersabre: Needs the dreaded tg3 module, but it won't build on my opteron system for an amd64 kernel, and it won't load properly under a 32-bit kernel |
| 00:48.33 | thingfish | oh yes, this channel is really dead. |
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| 00:48.50 | houman_zhu | sunsun: i meant to say unbuntu has ltosa how tos, anyways ubuntu is based on debian and i used it i dunno why i went for debian now |
| 00:48.58 | [bono] | Question: can linux do auto-completion of xml file using a dtd? |
| 00:49.07 | sobersabre | FarrisG there should be a correlation between the kernel, glibc and the modules... ? |
| 00:49.19 | OldakQuill | What has happened to amarok? |
| 00:49.19 | resiak | [bono]: What does Linux (a kernel) have to do with XML? |
| 00:49.26 | sobersabre | FarrisG have you tried the bcm57xx module ? |
| 00:49.27 | resiak | !why isn't amarok in testing? |
| 00:49.29 | asuffield | FarrisG: buy an e1k next time |
| 00:49.40 | FarrisG | sobersabre: yes |
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| 00:49.42 | OldakQuill | Amarok is nowhere to be found |
| 00:49.45 | sobersabre | FarrisG and ? |
| 00:49.47 | resiak | dpkg: why is amarok not in testing? |
| 00:49.48 | dpkg | amarok is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=amarok |
| 00:49.51 | FarrisG | asuffield: humor noted, but not appreciated at this point |
| 00:50.01 | asuffield | humour? no, tg3 chips are *shit* |
| 00:50.01 | sunsun | houman_zhu i prefer debian over ubuntu, ubuntu has not been as stable as debian was but it installed 2.6. 2.4 was too slow. but ubuntu is fine once you get rid of kde |
| 00:50.03 | asuffield | buy an e1k next time |
| 00:50.05 | OldakQuill | dpkg: why is amarok not in testing? |
| 00:50.06 | [bono] | resiak: well some IDEs do support auto-completion of data in a xml file... |
| 00:50.06 | dpkg | amarok is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=amarok |
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| 00:50.12 | asuffield | they're like twice as fast and they have proper drivers |
| 00:50.14 | FarrisG | asuffield: I didn't buy this piece of shit |
| 00:50.17 | [bono] | resiak: Eclipse is one of them... |
| 00:50.21 | cheal | OldakQuill: it was simply removed from testing |
| 00:50.36 | OldakQuill | So there is a stable version? |
| 00:50.36 | resiak | [bono]: So what you really mean is "Are there any IDEs in Debian which auto-complete XML?" |
| 00:50.38 | asuffield | the only gigabit device worse than the tg3 is the realtek offering (unsurprisingly) |
| 00:51.01 | eeyore- | asuffield: you don't like tg3? what's wrong with it? |
| 00:51.06 | FarrisG | asuffield: I've had more luck with realtek than broadcom |
| 00:51.07 | asuffield | eeyore-: *slow as fuck* |
| 00:51.07 | houman_zhu | sunsun: ubuntu is a gnome distro, i wouldnt use kde in it, i eman its geared towards gnome, but its better than debian in every way , dont let the debian fans tell you otherwise they have just gotten used to debian |
| 00:51.08 | [bono] | resiak: yeah, i guess. :-) |
| 00:51.14 | OldakQuill | Well, apt is defaulted to testing - how can I do stable for just one application? |
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| 00:51.29 | asuffield | FarrisG: 'luck' being the operative word when dealing with realtek chips |
| 00:51.29 | [bono] | resiak: and is emacs one of them?... :-) |
| 00:51.37 | eeyore- | asuffield: what speed do you get from yours? |
| 00:51.42 | houman_zhu | sunsun: anywyas i think i did it theyre gonna lynch me now for saying that i betetr get the hell outta here |
| 00:51.48 | sobersabre | bye all! |
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| 00:51.59 | resiak | [bono]: I do'nt know. I don't have emacs installed. |
| 00:52.13 | asuffield | eeyore-: highly dependent on hardware, but e1k cards are typically around 1.5 to 2 times as fast, and put less load on the host cpu |
| 00:52.29 | asuffield | (in the same box) |
| 00:52.35 | [bono] | resiak: do you use this feature? if so, what ide do you use? |
| 00:52.47 | FarrisG | Can I just take all this as a "No, kindly fuck off and figure this out yourself"? |
| 00:53.33 | asuffield | FarrisG: you're probably screwed, given that nobody's admitted to having got one working yet... |
| 00:53.51 | dave_thomas | so i just installed a new kernel with apt-get and now i no longer have an ethernet card...could anyone point me in the right direction to manually install the drivers? |
| 00:54.06 | eeyore- | FarrisG: i have a tg3 but then i run gentoo on it ... |
| 00:54.08 | FarrisG | asuffield: I *have* one working. Just not on this particular box |
| 00:54.08 | resiak | [bono]: I don't, and I don't use an IDE |
| 00:54.50 | eeyore- | dave_thomas: modconf? |
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| 00:55.46 | shai | how do i do a search and replace in vi? |
| 00:56.02 | asuffield | shai: people have written whole damn *books* on the subject |
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| 00:56.11 | resiak | shai: :s/foo/bar :h :s |
| 00:56.19 | eeyore- | shai: :[range]s/<pattern>/<replacement>/<options> |
| 00:56.34 | asuffield | more likely :%s/// |
| 00:56.54 | resiak | Troo. |
| 00:56.58 | Phated | Heh. |
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| 00:57.12 | asuffield | obnoxious interface, that one |
| 00:57.17 | infernix | hmm. any way of loading debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso on an usb stick? |
| 00:57.25 | dave_thomas | eeyore-: thanks! |
| 00:57.32 | asuffield | that's usually about when I figure it's time to quit vi and start using sed |
| 00:57.40 | kenboo | umm php patch is not ready yet? |
| 00:57.42 | asuffield | or maybe perl |
| 00:57.45 | eeyore- | asuffield: the interface has trained my brain such that i can no longer function with a "simple" editor |
| 00:57.47 | bibe | hi, i'd like to run isdnlog on my debian system. but i've not get isdn working with a pci fritz card. is there a good howto? |
| 00:58.07 | shai | thanks |
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| 00:58.31 | eeyore- | (i hate netbackup) |
| 00:59.58 | OldakQuill | Can anyone suggest why two video applications cannot play sound? |
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| 01:00.18 | eeyore- | OldakQuill: you haven't got sound configured right? sound is muted? wrong jack? |
| 01:00.33 | cheal | OldakQuill: yes, amarok is in stable |
| 01:00.37 | dave_thomas | what would be the easiest way to determine the driver that is currently being used for my network card? |
| 01:00.43 | cheal | OldakQuill: which applications? |
| 01:00.45 | magyar | is there a way to join a T1 line with an ADSL line ? |
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| 01:00.56 | cheal | OldakQuill: which kde version do you have? |
| 01:01.01 | eeyore- | dave_thomas: lspci? |
| 01:01.09 | eeyore- | dave_thomas: (there is no easy way) |
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| 01:01.45 | eeyore- | magyar: duct tape |
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| 01:01.48 | OldakQuill | No, the sound of the system is fine |
| 01:01.54 | dave_thomas | eeyore-: lspci worked like charm -- thanks! |
| 01:02.00 | OldakQuill | I can play music files and some movie files in other applications |
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| 01:02.08 | OldakQuill | Xine and Totem, I have KDE 3.4 |
| 01:02.23 | mischko | How do I uninstall a package completely so I can install an older version that I need? |
| 01:02.26 | cheal | OldakQuill: your totem package is totem-xine? |
| 01:02.29 | eeyore- | OldakQuill: maybe they are configured to use a sound duplexing service that you didn't run? |
| 01:02.34 | OldakQuill | Yeah |
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| 01:02.54 | cheal | OldakQuill: using stable's binary amarok packages won't be possible |
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| 01:03.01 | PandaKun | hey |
| 01:03.08 | PandaKun | i was wondering how to properly install apache + php4? |
| 01:03.16 | PandaKun | apt-get install apache || apache-get install php4 didn't work. |
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| 01:03.26 | PandaKun | i checked the httpd.conf and uncommented the php section. |
| 01:03.36 | nixuser1 | whats the name of the debian 64 room? |
| 01:03.41 | cheal | mischko: downgrading is not supported, but # dpkg -P foo |
| 01:03.44 | PandaKun | i think #debian-amd64 |
| 01:03.45 | cheal | !amd64 |
| 01:03.45 | dpkg | [amd64] See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 01:03.50 | nixuser1 | panda thanks |
| 01:03.54 | cheal | wow big factoid |
| 01:03.55 | PandaKun | your welcome |
| 01:04.12 | magyar | i have a linux system with two WAN connections. One is a T1 and an adsl. Is there a way to join these two lines for bether throuput? |
| 01:04.16 | FinnTux | aby qemu users here? |
| 01:04.19 | FinnTux | any* |
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| 01:04.38 | mischko | is there a way to purge even the config files? |
| 01:04.43 | PandaKun | Any solutions to my problem? |
| 01:04.51 | bbrazil | mischko: dpkf -P |
| 01:05.05 | cheal | PandaKun: libapache-mod-php4 |
| 01:05.07 | mischko | K. |
| 01:05.11 | PandaKun | yeah that's installed too cheal. |
| 01:05.17 | eeyore- | magyar: no |
| 01:05.26 | magyar | bahh |
| 01:05.41 | bibe | where do i have to add a modul to boot it automatically by system start? |
| 01:05.45 | nixuser1 | amd64 channel is full but no one is talking |
| 01:05.46 | cheal | PandaKun: did you restart apache after all that? |
| 01:05.51 | PandaKun | yeah. |
| 01:05.56 | PandaKun | invoke-rc.d apache restart |
| 01:06.04 | eeyore- | magyar: (generally speaking, no, but if you're willing to do some serious custom work, sure) |
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| 01:06.22 | PandaKun | let me try again cheal. |
| 01:06.25 | PandaKun | may be the cache. |
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| 01:06.40 | Robinayor | hi |
| 01:06.41 | bbrazil | bibe: /etc/modules |
| 01:06.47 | cheal | PandaKun: maybe |
| 01:06.52 | magyar | eeyore-, any info is apreciated |
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| 01:07.54 | eeyore- | magyar: well, i suppose you could load-balance. you'd have two independent IP's right? so, set up your services and load-balance across the two IP's :-) that's only for serving content ... for sucking down content, well, there's no real answer :-) |
| 01:08.07 | Joyrider | magyar: http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.loadshare.html |
| 01:08.22 | cheal | OldakQuill: does starting xine in a shell give you feedback about the impossibility to use the sound device? |
| 01:08.50 | magyar | eeyore-, Joyrider thanks guys |
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| 01:09.22 | OldakQuill | Hmm, NO |
| 01:09.25 | Joyrider | that page is probably not exactly what you're looking for but lartc will be a good resource for this kind of thing |
| 01:09.33 | OldakQuill | Sorry, didn't mean to use caps |
| 01:09.47 | eeyore- | Joyrider: that's for cooperative, both ends have to do the same thing :) |
| 01:09.52 | OldakQuill | I just downloaded and installed Realplayer (it is a .ram stream I am trying to play) - it also didn't play sound. |
| 01:09.58 | OldakQuill | I remember Totem once worked |
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| 01:10.08 | Joyrider | i'm sure i saw something about load balancing to the internet on lartc but i can't find it now |
| 01:10.13 | cheal | OldakQuill: what does $ artsshell status; return? |
| 01:10.22 | cheal | OldakQuill: just the first line please |
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| 01:10.35 | eeyore- | good night |
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| 01:11.50 | bibe | bbrazil: thx |
| 01:11.52 | sgeigerbot | Does someone want to help a total ldap/AD newbie set up mozilla-thunderbird's addressbook? |
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| 01:12.24 | OldakQuill | Where should I do this? The command? |
| 01:12.34 | cheal | OldakQuill: in a shell |
| 01:12.44 | cheal | OldakQuill: type "artsshell status" in a shell |
| 01:13.04 | OldakQuill | Unable to connect to sound server. |
| 01:13.22 | cheal | OldakQuill: did you do it as root or as the user running KDE? |
| 01:13.51 | OldakQuill | Root |
| 01:13.58 | OldakQuill | su in shell. |
| 01:13.59 | kittonian | i just did an apt-get dist-upgrade and it completely screwed my entire system to the point that it now won't boot. only shows LI and then stalls. any ideas for me? |
| 01:14.03 | cheal | OldakQuill: do it as the user running KDE |
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| 01:14.28 | cheal | OldakQuill: $ artsshell status|head -1 |
| 01:14.41 | OldakQuill | server status: running, will suspend in 54 s |
| 01:15.10 | cheal | OldakQuill: try running xine/totem-xine after doing $ artsshell suspend |
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| 01:15.35 | OldakQuill | I'll try ("sound server was already suspended") |
| 01:15.54 | cheal | you can [re]start xine and try now |
| 01:16.04 | liable | kittonian: maybe you should pay attention to what apt is going to remove. check bts for lilo, what debian version? |
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| 01:16.13 | liable | !LI |
| 01:16.13 | dpkg | if 'LI' is printed when the system is booted, it means that your drive is probably too large (OR you simply forgot to run 'lilo'). There is a Large-disk-mini-howto. Read it.. Boot the rescue disk, edit lilo.conf and add 'lba32' then try again., or (if drive geometry has changed) try booting from the rescue disk, mounting /, and rerunning lilo. Or you could try grub instead. :) Lithium, or Liechtenstein. |
| 01:16.38 | roby | I have a gtk2 theme installed, but the background image for buttons is not being used, i know there is a certain package i need to install, but i can't remember what it is... any idea? |
| 01:16.42 | Joyrider | but a dist-upgrade shouldn't cause any of those problems if it worked previously, should it? |
| 01:16.48 | yumeng | hi,all. i using debian sarge, but i use dotdeb source get php5 & libapache2-mod-php5, i use apt-get install apache2 libapache2-mod-php5 libapache2-mod-security php5-mysql php5-pgsql php5-gd php5-curl php5-mcrypt php5-mhash php5-pear, no problem. But while starting apahce2, have error: Apache is running a threaded MPM, but your PHP Module is not compiled to be threadsafe. Why? |
| 01:16.53 | liable | you wouldnt think so, no. |
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| 01:17.27 | Joyrider | even upgrading lilo shouldn't cause the boot setup to change, it doesn't actually execute lilo if i remember correctly |
| 01:18.08 | cheal | yumeng: what does $ dpkg -l apache2-mpm*|grep ii; return? |
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| 01:19.01 | mischko | How do I get rid of these files/packages? http://pastebin.com/416733 Currently, apt sources is only stable. |
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| 01:19.19 | yumeng | cheal: apache2-mpm-worker 2.0.54-54 |
| 01:19.25 | roby | nevermind, i found the package: gtk2-engines-pixbuf |
| 01:19.40 | OldakQuill | cheal: I tried both suspending then launching and launching then suspending - both failed. |
| 01:19.42 | Joyrider | i think you need apache2-mpm-prefork to get non-threadsafe php to work |
| 01:19.49 | cevizoglu | black tea is such a disgusting habit ;) |
| 01:19.50 | burnt-toast | hi all ... I am about to have a third party do some work on my server which will require root access... is there any way to keylog the sessions from that users account without trojaning my own system? |
| 01:20.02 | thingfish | not at all, cevizoglu. |
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| 01:20.15 | [bono] | Question: I running on unstable and when i install packages, i now get: "E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop" Any idea? |
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| 01:20.17 | cheal | yumeng: try installing apache2-mpm-prefork |
| 01:20.22 | liable | burnt-toast: bash_history? |
| 01:20.27 | yumeng | ok |
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| 01:20.43 | liable | burnt-toast: or tty-snoop |
| 01:21.01 | nixuser1 | where is a good site that lists all the various repositories so i can edit my apt-get sources list? |
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| 01:21.14 | liable | nixuser1: apt-setup |
| 01:21.23 | thingfish | nixuser1: apt-setup will display a list. |
| 01:21.31 | burnt-toast | will ttysnoop work for ssh? |
| 01:21.32 | Joyrider | bash_history is not reliable if you don't trust the third party not to edit that file :) |
| 01:21.34 | nixuser1 | including sneakypete? |
| 01:21.37 | yumeng | thanks, all ok. |
| 01:22.01 | liable | burnt-toast: believe so. |
| 01:22.38 | burnt-toast | ok one last question... how can I show what user is logged into which tty |
| 01:22.50 | mischko | How do I get rid of these files/packages? http://pastebin.com/416733 Currently, apt sources is only set to stable. |
| 01:22.54 | Joyrider | burnt-toast: http://grad.icmc.usp.br/~duker/ttysnoop/ttysnoop_ssh.html suggests you have to recompile sshd yourself to support ttysnoop, but it does look possible |
| 01:23.08 | Joyrider | burnt-toast: "who" or "w" |
| 01:23.25 | burnt-toast | thanks all |
| 01:23.26 | nixuser1 | im trying to install cdrdao on a amd64 system and need the sneakypete address |
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| 01:24.14 | Joyrider | mischko: can't you just apt-get remove --purge those packages? |
| 01:24.31 | Joyrider | in fact you won't even need --purge, there are no config files |
| 01:24.54 | mischko | Joyrider, it says' the package isn't installed. |
| 01:25.27 | Joyrider | what about dpkg -r? if dpkg -l lists them... |
| 01:26.14 | kittonian | ok, so the answer is to try booting from the rescue disk and mounting / and running lilo? this machine has been up for a very long time without issues and I've never had a problem with a dist-upgrade before today. this is our main mailserver and I need to get it back online asap. |
| 01:26.31 | kittonian | any key commands or anything to try upon bootup to force it through or into some sort of mode? |
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| 01:26.53 | Joyrider | if it doesn't get to the LILO prompt there is nothing you can do |
| 01:27.09 | mischko | Joyrider, www:/etc# dpkg -r mysql-client |
| 01:27.09 | mischko | dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove mysql-client which isn't installed. |
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| 01:27.18 | Joyrider | mysql-client isn't on that list |
| 01:27.20 | Joyrider | mysql-common is |
| 01:27.48 | sanxiyn | "Debian community might want to embrace GNU/Solaris non-glibc port or reject it. To embrace, some core components like dpkg should be dual-licensed to CDDL/GPL." Oh, please, thank you for a good laugh. :( |
| 01:27.57 | Joyrider | the libs are actually libmysqlclient10, libmysqlclient12 and libmysqlclient14, dpkg is truncating the names |
| 01:28.12 | gravity | ugh... that fuckwad |
| 01:28.12 | lightbright | if i want to copy from 1 hard drive to another, using tar or rsync, does the destination hard drive have to be mounted, or is it best to be unmounted? |
| 01:28.24 | Metrics | Following the earlier discussion of profont, does anybody know how to get it to show up in xfontsel. I untarred the bitmap version, copied them to /usr/share/fonts/bitmap/profont-x11/, fixed permissions and the ran dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig and made sure I allowed bitmap fonts? But it doesn't show up. |
| 01:28.25 | mischko | Joyrider, how do you get dpkg to not truncate the names? |
| 01:28.36 | resiak | mischko: COLUMNS=200 dpkg blah blah |
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| 01:29.45 | Joyrider | mischko: pipe it through less, that seems to work - dpkg -l | less |
| 01:29.59 | sanxiyn | Joyrider: That depends on dpkg version... |
| 01:30.04 | caphuso | Metrics: mkfontdir, and make sure that directory is in your font path |
| 01:30.12 | mischko | I got longer file names by exporting COLUMNS. |
| 01:30.12 | kittonian | ok, i've booted to the rescue disk. what do I type at the prompt? |
| 01:30.18 | bibe | hi, i've dsl configured with pppoeconf for autostarting at boot time, but it doesn't. which init skript should do that? |
| 01:30.23 | kittonian | sorry, i've never had to do this before |
| 01:30.27 | Joyrider | sanxiyn: ugh, why is dpkg so horrible this way? i've encountered this before |
| 01:30.42 | OldakQuill | cheal: Could it be that I simply lack some RealAudio codec? |
| 01:31.19 | sanxiyn | JohnnyST: It's a long-discussed issue. Current situation is that dpkg older than 1.13.2 would truncate output even if redirected, newer versions won't. |
| 01:31.29 | sanxiyn | JohnnyST: Check the changelog. |
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| 01:32.00 | sanxiyn | Eh, was to Joyrider, surely. |
| 01:32.13 | Joyrider | sanxiyn: i just read something in the bts, it seems people can't decide on what's right as usual :) |
| 01:32.27 | sanxiyn | Joyrider: Yes. |
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| 01:34.13 | kittonian | anyone? I'm searching the net as well but coming up short. can someone please help me here |
| 01:34.31 | Metrics | caphuso: Done, reran fontconfig, restarted xfs and X...still no luck? |
| 01:34.40 | sanxiyn | gravity: Would Sun be willing to relicense libc portion of OpenSolaris to LGPL analog of CDDL? Just a thought. |
| 01:34.51 | gravity | sanxiyn: I doubt it |
| 01:35.07 | sanxiyn | gravity: If that's possible, that seems to be the simplest solution. |
| 01:35.11 | gravity | sanxiyn: I don't really know though. I'm not a sun watcher. |
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| 01:35.17 | caphuso | Metrics: is that directory in your fontpath? |
| 01:35.19 | gravity | sanxiyn: Sure, or get glibc ported |
| 01:35.25 | sanxiyn | Or that. |
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| 01:36.30 | thewayofzen | question: does debian maintain repos with the same philosophy as ubuntu.. what i mean is .. would blackbox wm for example.. only be updated in the repos with every debian release or do they update builds as they are made available |
| 01:36.32 | Metrics | caphuso: Yep, it's the default font directory. It's listed in /etc/fonts/fonts.conf |
| 01:36.38 | thewayofzen | if they do im totally switching. |
| 01:36.40 | kittonian | everything i'm reading is telling me to run commands. i can't run any commands cause I'm at a boot: prompt and don't know what to type |
| 01:36.50 | kittonian | if I hit enter it will start the installation |
| 01:37.22 | caphuso | Metrics: so what the hell makes you think that this file has anything to do with your fontpath? |
| 01:37.26 | gravity | thewayofzen: It depends on whether you run stable, testing, or unstable |
| 01:37.29 | caphuso | Metrics: we're not talking about fontconfig at all |
| 01:37.41 | gravity | thewayofzen: But ubuntu also has a development branch as well |
| 01:37.41 | thewayofzen | gravity, so if i run unstable i should be bleeding edge |
| 01:37.53 | gravity | thewayofzen: More or less. But things will break so you'd better know what you're doing. |
| 01:38.08 | thewayofzen | gravity, ive been asking questions in ubuntu all day and noones even mentioned a testing branch |
| 01:38.09 | gravity | thewayofzen: Or at least be willing to learn how to deal with the problems all by your self. |
| 01:38.19 | litage | /etc/sudoers contains "shaun ALL=(root) NOPASSWD: /usr/local/bin/svc -t /service/tinydns" but when i run ``sudo /usr/local/bin/svc -t /service/tinydns'' i'm still asked for a password |
| 01:38.37 | gravity | thewayofzen: It's not often used in that community I guess. Probably just by developers. |
| 01:38.37 | thewayofzen | gravity, ive no problem learning. i LIKE learning.. ill spend all day on google if its gonna solve a problem. but after doing that today im wondering if perhaps its just time for a new distro.. |
| 01:38.46 | gravity | thewayofzen: Yeah, then unstable may be a fun choice for you |
| 01:39.02 | thewayofzen | gravity, ive no problem with going "oops.. gotta reinstall" if things get bad either. |
| 01:39.14 | thewayofzen | sounds like burning those debian disks the other day might pay off then. |
| 01:39.14 | gravity | thewayofzen: You shouldn't have to do that with debian very often, if ever. |
| 01:39.16 | thewayofzen | thank you! |
| 01:39.26 | gravity | thewayofzen: Most every debian installation will last for years with continuous upgrades |
| 01:39.28 | thewayofzen | gravity, if i REALLY break it.. it might be my only choice lol. |
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| 01:39.32 | sanxiyn | gravity: It is said that Ubuntu's testing branch is much more unstable. |
| 01:39.33 | gravity | thewayofzen: You're welcome |
| 01:39.38 | gravity | sanxiyn: Yeah, I think it is |
| 01:39.43 | thewayofzen | gravity, i appreciate it muchly. take care. |
| 01:39.45 | gravity | They play more fast and loose with it |
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| 01:39.54 | gravity | Which is something I actually wish debian would do more of |
| 01:40.10 | sanxiyn | Indeed... |
| 01:40.30 | nixuser1 | im really surprised at how well amd64 works |
| 01:40.43 | gravity | Speaking of which, there's a bug in xserver-xorg unstable that I'm too lazy to fix that anyone who's game can tackle :-) |
| 01:40.57 | sanxiyn | Debian has constraint that "keep testing/unstable in reasonable state" because there are users and that's how bugs are reported... |
| 01:41.19 | gravity | Screw it |
| 01:41.28 | Metrics | caphuso: Well, in XF86Config-4, the only entry for fontpath I have is unix/:7100 which I believe is xfs. But I'm not sure where xfs gets it's info from. |
| 01:41.29 | sanxiyn | gravity: Heh. |
| 01:41.42 | caphuso | Metrics: probably /etc/X11/xfs/something |
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| 01:42.39 | lightbright | gravity: hello, how are you today? |
| 01:42.52 | kenboo | i created .htaccess under /var/www/test but apache2 doesn't seem to take effect. |
| 01:42.58 | kenboo | what should i check? |
| 01:43.04 | gravity | lightbright: Fine |
| 01:43.04 | bbrazil | the error log |
| 01:43.04 | resiak | #apache ? |
| 01:43.26 | sanxiyn | kenboo: Check AllowOverride? |
| 01:43.44 | VolVE | ok people, I'm going a little crazy trying to figure out traffic shaping (application-level, Layer 7) in the 2.6 Kernel - everything on Google refers to 2.4 and even 2.2.. :( I just want to redirect some traffic to different ports based on application! Anyone?? |
| 01:44.40 | sanxiyn | kenboo: .htaccess can only override "allowed" configurations. |
| 01:45.06 | kenboo | umm ok. |
| 01:45.07 | OldakQuill | Are we reducing the number of supported architectures in etch? |
| 01:45.15 | sanxiyn | kenboo: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/core.html#allowoverride and /join #apache |
| 01:45.18 | resiak | !vancouver |
| 01:45.18 | dpkg | hmm... vancouver is the city with the highest standard of living on earth. the vancouver prospectus proposes criteria for architectures support aiming to reduce release times : http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/03/msg00012.html |
| 01:45.39 | sanxiyn | OldakQuill: Maybe. |
| 01:45.48 | OldakQuill | Why? |
| 01:46.51 | sanxiyn | OldakQuill: For pratical reasons, I think. |
| 01:46.55 | sanxiyn | practical |
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| 01:48.44 | Metrics | caphuso: Thanks, working now. |
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| 01:49.54 | humbolt | how can I find out, to what qsynaptics changed my touchpad settings, so I can put them into my xorg.conf? |
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| 01:51.22 | OldakQuill | humbolt: Has your touchpad become hypersensitive? |
| 01:51.56 | PandaKun | hey do you guys have a script to generate a cronjob? |
| 01:52.04 | caphuso | humbolt: synclient -l |
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| 01:52.21 | dondelelcaro | PandaKun: just crontab -e; and modify your crontab |
| 01:52.28 | humbolt | OldakQuill: no |
| 01:52.29 | aFlag | ahh |
| 01:52.30 | digijohn | Hi; I'm not sure if this is totally the correct channel, but here goes: I've got about 20 computers and associated hardware that I'm going to make into a cluster. I would like the hard disks of these machines to be "pooled" over the network so that each node can see what appears to be a huge disk to use. Essentially, I want RAID via network. How could I do this under Debian? |
| 01:52.51 | humbolt | I just want to save the tweaks I made, so they become persistant! |
| 01:52.55 | OldakQuill | My touchpad has become hypersensitive since I upgraded earlier today |
| 01:53.03 | OldakQuill | It is annoying - maybe the button is just broken |
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| 01:53.38 | OldakQuill | digijohn: That is a hardware issue, surely? |
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| 01:53.55 | lightbright | dondelelcaro: it seemed it entered into a loop when I typed: tar -lcv /|tar -C /mnt -x do I need to add an --exclude mnt/ ? |
| 01:53.56 | digijohn | Umm, not really. I do not want to change any of the hardware. |
| 01:54.04 | humbolt | Do you know, with circular scrolling, can I still do a horizontal scroll? |
| 01:54.21 | OldakQuill | RAID is a hardware settup |
| 01:54.26 | bbrazil | digijohn: wait for ZFS to be released with OpenSolaris? |
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| 01:54.35 | digijohn | ZFS... that does what I want? |
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| 01:54.45 | dampjam | firefox now says: INTERNAL ERROR on Browser End: Could not get the plugin manager when I try to start it... is there an easy way to fix it with dpkg? |
| 01:54.53 | humbolt | and does anybody know why qsynaptics works with my alps touchpad and ksynaptics does not?! |
| 01:55.02 | lightbright | dondelelcaro: something about not able to copy /mnt over itself |
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| 01:55.12 | bbrazil | digijohn: we don't know, it isn't releasd yet. however there are some filesystems that do what you want, I've just never been able to understand them |
| 01:55.14 | sanxiyn | dampjam: Try move away profile directory. |
| 01:55.20 | digijohn | bbrazil: Damn. |
| 01:55.51 | digijohn | Maybe I'll have to contact the cluster manager at PNNL... I remember them doing something like this. |
| 01:56.01 | dampjam | sanxiyn: where is the profile directory |
| 01:56.10 | Dewi | does anyone know of a good guide to all the rubbish - I mean organised and highly valuable data - in /var/log? |
| 01:56.14 | dampjam | nevermind, .mozilla |
| 01:56.42 | sanxiyn | Dewi: I don't. |
| 01:56.55 | dampjam | sanxiyn: even morebroken, now it says, "plugin_get_value 1 plugin_get_value 2, then it has the internal error" |
| 01:57.19 | Dewi | sanxiyn: it's especially confusing because I switch between obsd, debian, and fedora all day and they seem pretty differently organised in logs |
| 01:57.20 | sanxiyn | dampjam: I have no idea. You launched it again? |
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| 01:57.25 | dampjam | sanxiyn: I tried |
| 01:57.35 | sanxiyn | dampjam: Is new profile directory created? |
| 01:57.46 | dampjam | yup |
| 01:58.09 | Dewi | sanxiyn: I'm starting to think I need to colour code my terms or something; I can never properly keep in mind which OS I'm using at a particular time |
| 01:58.17 | dampjam | sanxiyn: I think it has to do with me messing with the java plugins, getting opera to work... can you tell me in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox what file is linked to what file in /etc/alternatives, that's the only thing I had changed |
| 01:58.29 | sanxiyn | dampjam: Huh? |
| 01:58.51 | sanxiyn | dampjam: My /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins is empty. |
| 01:59.02 | dampjam | sanxiyn: I mean /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox |
| 01:59.15 | aubergine | hi guys |
| 01:59.15 | lightbright | dondelelcaro: would this work: tar -lcv /|tar --exclude /mnt -C /mnt -x; ? |
| 01:59.38 | dampjam | nevermind... I fixed it, I just moved my plugins directory |
| 01:59.44 | dampjam | something was messed up in there |
| 01:59.51 | sanxiyn | dampjam: No symlinks. |
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| 02:00.08 | sanxiyn | dampjam: Debian's java-package handles Java plugin install for you, if you can't get that quite right... |
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| 02:00.17 | dampjam | sanxiyn: java is not a problem... |
| 02:00.29 | sanxiyn | Which plugin was the culprit? |
| 02:00.34 | dampjam | I use opera for everything... except it doesn't support the damn DHTML page that I need to get to for this one application |
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| 02:00.53 | sanxiyn | dampjam: And? |
| 02:01.55 | dondelelcaro | lightbright: you don't need the --exclude; the whole mount of -l is to not traverse /mnt |
| 02:02.04 | dondelelcaro | s/mount/point/ |
| 02:02.05 | humbolt | caphuso: synclient -l shows me the settings as present in the xorg.conf, not to what they were changed to by the qsynaptics app via SHM |
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| 02:02.30 | lightbright | dondelelcaro: ah ok, ill try it again, i probaly typed it wrong. brb |
| 02:02.35 | dampjam | sanxiyn: sanxiyn: everything works now |
| 02:02.51 | sanxiyn | Good for you... |
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| 02:03.14 | dampjam | sanxiyn: thanks for the suggestion, it was the java plugin |
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| 02:03.37 | dampjam | I had used java-package to do the jdk instead of just the jre... aparrently that semi-breaks firefox |
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| 02:04.00 | rl | buenas noches |
| 02:04.23 | lightbright | dondelelcaro: yeah that works great, sorry I typed wrong command before. Thanks again, you're a lifesaver :) |
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| 02:04.38 | caphuso | humbolt: nonsense |
| 02:04.46 | dondelelcaro | lightbright: np; spend some time reading 'info tar'; |
| 02:04.56 | dondelelcaro | lightbright: you'll also find man rsync; useful reading too. |
| 02:04.59 | lightbright | dondelelcaro: yes I will, promise. ty again |
| 02:05.06 | lightbright | dondelelcaro: ok, ty |
| 02:05.30 | humbolt | caphuso: why do I find the same settings in my xorg.conf then while I have actually changed some values via qsynaptics |
| 02:05.45 | caphuso | humbolt: dunno what you did wrong |
| 02:06.42 | liable | what is qsynaptics? |
| 02:06.46 | pattieja | anybody familiar with postfix LDAP maps? |
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| 02:07.00 | humbolt | caphuso: well synclient -h actually tells me I have no touchpad. But I can turn it on and off and twaek stuff around with qsynaptics. |
| 02:07.03 | caphuso | liable: a silly synaptics touchpad configuration thingie |
| 02:07.03 | lightbright | ok bye everyone, see you tomorrow |
| 02:07.08 | SimonRaven | other than they suck? |
| 02:07.12 | dondelelcaro | pattieja: just ask your question; if someone knows, they'll answer. Try #postfix too. |
| 02:07.16 | SimonRaven | ;) |
| 02:07.21 | pattieja | I am attempting to do something a little outside the "norm" |
| 02:07.30 | humbolt | caphuso: It says: Do you use a newer kernel than 2.4? |
| 02:07.34 | SimonRaven | postfix's ldap support is very little |
| 02:07.37 | liable | ah, yeah, i see. |
| 02:07.39 | humbolt | Of course I do |
| 02:07.44 | pattieja | dondelelcaro, #postfix hasn't responded, yet |
| 02:07.53 | caphuso | humbolt: irrelevant |
| 02:08.21 | caphuso | humbolt: but i just tested it: i turned on circular scrolling with qsynaptics, and synclient -l reports it as set afterwards |
| 02:08.27 | SimonRaven | didn't mean to sound trollish, but it isn't very good at that. decent mta otherwise (not my personal favourite, however) |
| 02:08.44 | pattieja | dondelelcaro, I'm attempting to use a group in LDAP (the way the LDAP Account Manager (lam) project configures them) as a "pool" of available users that can receive e-mail as part of the local_recipient_maps in main.cf |
| 02:08.46 | humbolt | caphuso: now it does it for me too |
| 02:08.47 | dondelelcaro | pattieja: yeah, that's fine; just ask... people who know will answer if anyone knows. If not, try debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 02:09.30 | pattieja | I'm setting it all up on Debian, so I thought I might run into someone here with a similar scenario |
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| 02:09.42 | SimonRaven | yeh ask on debian-user or debian-isp, they'll know |
| 02:09.57 | pattieja | actually, it's the last piece in the great puzzle of setting up OpenLDAP as the autentication store for all services on the network |
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| 02:10.09 | SimonRaven | <3 ldap |
| 02:10.09 | Tortel | !openldap |
| 02:10.09 | dpkg | i heard openldap is http://www.openldap.org/ |
| 02:10.26 | pattieja | SimonRaven, is that #debian-user and #debian-isp? |
| 02:10.37 | humbolt | caphuso: is there a way to force xorg.conf like output? |
| 02:10.38 | pattieja | SimonRaven, or are those mailing lists? or was that not for me? |
| 02:10.41 | SimonRaven | no the lists |
| 02:10.51 | caphuso | humbolt: does it say so somewhere in the documentation? |
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| 02:11.44 | TjNix | how can i do to make a normal user able to mount and umount cdrom ? |
| 02:11.45 | humbolt | caphuso: well, not really. I figured you might now some coool trick |
| 02:11.51 | pattieja | dondelelcaro, sorry about the asking to ask |
| 02:12.13 | pattieja | TjNix, add "user" to the entry in the options sections of /etc/fstab |
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| 02:12.40 | pattieja | i.e., /dev/hda /media/cdrom0 iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 02:13.03 | TjNix | i did but still wont let me |
| 02:13.09 | sanxiyn | "Harmony of The Old Days was threatened by Invention." -- Debian wiki |
| 02:13.23 | pattieja | hmm. Make sure the intended user is in the "cdrom" group? |
| 02:13.41 | caphuso | humbolt: maybe something like this will do: synclient -l | sed -ne 's/^ \+\([a-zA-Z]\+\)/\tOption "\1"/; s/ \+= \+/ /p;' |
| 02:13.44 | TjNix | how can i add a user to a certain group? |
| 02:13.51 | pattieja | vigr |
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| 02:14.02 | caphuso | * Sometimes it's a good idea to edit more files than just the changelog before releasing. |
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| 02:14.07 | pattieja | or 'vi /etc/group' |
| 02:14.21 | sanxiyn | caphuso: Heh. Source? |
| 02:14.34 | caphuso | sanxiyn: debhelper changelog |
| 02:14.50 | humbolt | caphuso: you are my personal superstar! thanks a lot! long live sed, regex and you! |
| 02:14.52 | gravity | Tidus: adduser username groupname |
| 02:14.56 | gravity | TjNix: ^ |
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| 02:15.12 | gravity | TjNix: I recommend reading the adduser manpage first though to make sure I'm right. I may have mixed the two up |
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| 02:15.21 | gravity | Tidus: sorry. Bad tab completion. |
| 02:15.33 | TjNix | my user is already member of that group |
| 02:15.39 | TjNix | and still dont work |
| 02:15.48 | gravity | TjNix: Did that user log out and log in again? |
| 02:16.06 | gravity | TjNix: After you added them that is |
| 02:16.31 | TjNix | it was already a member before i tried adding it |
| 02:16.41 | gravity | TjNix: What exactly are you trying to do? |
| 02:16.53 | TjNix | mount my cdrom as a normal user |
| 02:17.03 | TjNix | but when i try it sasy only root can do that |
| 02:17.14 | gravity | What group is /dev/cdrom? |
| 02:17.17 | TjNix | /dev/hdd /cd iso9660 ro,noauto,user 0 0 |
| 02:17.27 | gravity | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:17.31 | gravity | What's with the slash? |
| 02:17.50 | kenboo | it looks fstab entry |
| 02:17.55 | TjNix | its the file where im mounting th filesystem |
| 02:17.56 | tvn | a dir name 'cd' in / |
| 02:18.03 | TjNix | yes |
| 02:18.05 | gravity | Ah, duh |
| 02:18.07 | Tortel | !cd |
| 02:18.07 | dpkg | from memory, cd is a Compact-Disc, or something that can hold about 650 megs, or a shiny silver thing that glitters, or a good beverage coaster, or change directory |
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| 02:18.18 | gravity | TjNix: ls -l /dev/hdd |
| 02:18.22 | TjNix | /dev/hdd belongs to root in group cdrom |
| 02:18.30 | TjNix | i already did |
| 02:18.31 | gravity | So is your user a member of cdrom? |
| 02:18.38 | TjNix | brwxrwxrwx 1 root cdrom 22, 64 2005-02-25 22:38 /dev/hdd |
| 02:18.39 | TjNix | yes |
| 02:18.51 | TjNix | The user `enrique' is already a member of `cdrom'. |
| 02:18.52 | pattieja | with those permissions, does it matter? |
| 02:19.07 | TjNix | its 777 |
| 02:19.25 | gravity | Funny, mine is 660 |
| 02:19.33 | Tortel | 6565555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555 |
| 02:19.41 | Tortel | sorry, head hit the keyboard |
| 02:19.51 | silverton | ... |
| 02:19.52 | Gnea | Tortel: get a pillow |
| 02:19.55 | silverton | nice? |
| 02:20.06 | TjNix | so what could i do? |
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| 02:20.08 | klock | go too bed loserpants |
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| 02:20.15 | spacko | http://spacko.sky.prohosting.com/ |
| 02:20.33 | Gnea | at least he wasn't actually typing on the keyboard while asleep |
| 02:20.44 | Tortel | that would be creepy |
| 02:20.44 | gravity | TjNix: You haven't mounted the drive as root yet, right? |
| 02:20.45 | nimak | where do i put something i want to be passed to setserial at boot? |
| 02:20.50 | TjNix | nope |
| 02:21.11 | Gnea | Tortel: i did that once, but the computer was turned off. :) |
| 02:21.22 | gravity | TjNix: To be honest I'm at a loss. You've got it 777'ed anyway |
| 02:21.22 | Tortel | Well, my computer is on |
| 02:21.35 | Gnea | are you sure? |
| 02:21.42 | dondelelcaro | nimak: in /etc/serial.conf |
| 02:21.42 | Tortel | Lemme check... |
| 02:21.47 | nimak | thanks |
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| 02:21.55 | dondelelcaro | nimak: see /etc/init.d/setserial; man setserial. |
| 02:22.00 | Tortel | umm, the LEDs are off, how do I turn my computer on? |
| 02:22.07 | Gnea | Tortel: press the power button |
| 02:22.12 | TjNix | its kind of weird first i did chmod 666 to /dev/hdd but didnt work so i tried with 777 |
| 02:22.17 | Tortel | oh |
| 02:22.17 | Tortel | :P |
| 02:22.21 | Gnea | lol |
| 02:22.36 | gravity | TjNix: Are you sure that's the right drive? |
| 02:22.41 | TjNix | i am |
| 02:22.47 | TjNix | thats how i mount it as root |
| 02:23.05 | gravity | TjNix: I don't know then |
| 02:23.10 | gravity | That's really weird |
| 02:23.13 | TjNix | i knwo |
| 02:23.16 | TjNix | know |
| 02:23.21 | Tortel | Something is fed |
| 02:23.25 | TjNix | im working with debian sarge 3.1 |
| 02:23.28 | Tortel | *f'ed |
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| 02:23.52 | kenboo | i'd strace |
| 02:24.05 | Tortel | anyone here not running debian right now? |
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| 02:24.17 | dondelelcaro | why in the world would you make /dev/hdd 666? |
| 02:24.19 | dondelelcaro | that's insanity. |
| 02:24.29 | treitter | has anyone built X.org from source recently? |
| 02:24.31 | gravity | dondelelcaro: It's 777 now |
| 02:24.35 | gravity | treitter: Me |
| 02:24.37 | gravity | Lots |
| 02:24.39 | liable | baby sitting? |
| 02:24.45 | TjNix | i was just checking i was not sure if my problem was permission |
| 02:24.45 | spacko | http://spacko.sky.prohosting.com/ |
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| 02:24.55 | treitter | gravity: did you have to install any support packages before it'd build completely? Mine keeps breaking |
| 02:24.55 | dondelelcaro | gravity makes X again and again and again and again and again... |
| 02:25.06 | gravity | treitter: Have you installed all the build-deps? |
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| 02:25.14 | nimak | cant wait till nvidia likes x.org |
| 02:25.22 | gravity | treitter: You're also going to have to tell me how you're building it and on what system |
| 02:25.28 | treitter | gravity: for x.org specifically, or is that a metapackage? |
| 02:25.35 | Gnea | nimak: it already does. |
| 02:25.35 | gravity | treitter: Uh... the same thing |
| 02:25.43 | nimak | since when? |
| 02:25.44 | Tortel | i use xfree86+gnome tho |
| 02:25.45 | TjNix | and so am I |
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| 02:25.48 | dabaR | what is that factoid for learning how to build a kernel? |
| 02:25.49 | nimak | and how? |
| 02:25.52 | gravity | treitter: you can do an apt-get install build-dep xserver-xorg |
| 02:25.55 | TjNix | I use xorg |
| 02:26.02 | NOthsouth | what is the package to take the glibc ? |
| 02:26.03 | Gnea | nimak: uhm, for over a month now - the usual way |
| 02:26.10 | nimak | ooh, cool |
| 02:26.12 | bucky | nimak module-assistant auto-install nvidia |
| 02:26.13 | treitter | gravity: x.org 6.8.2 on i386, Ubuntu, using the source from "apt-get source xserver-xorg" |
| 02:26.20 | Tortel | EEK! |
| 02:26.22 | gravity | ugh |
| 02:26.22 | Tortel | ubuntu! |
| 02:26.24 | treitter | gravity: and then doing "debian/rules binary" |
| 02:26.24 | sanxiyn | treitter: And you did apt-get build-dep? |
| 02:26.26 | gravity | treitter: Go to #ubuntu |
| 02:26.39 | gravity | treitter: The Ubuntu packages and debian packages are similar, but different |
| 02:26.42 | treitter | gravity: is the process any different for Ubuntu than Debian? |
| 02:26.42 | Gnea | nimak: very, i was impressed when it 'just worked' :) |
| 02:26.42 | sanxiyn | Failing to build from source is a bug. |
| 02:26.46 | treitter | gravity: ok |
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| 02:26.49 | gravity | Fundamentally different if you're running breezy |
| 02:26.54 | gravity | And more so if you're running dapper |
| 02:26.55 | caphuso | sweet, fixed less |
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| 02:27.03 | treitter | gravity: ok, cool. Thanks |
| 02:27.24 | gravity | sanxiyn: xorg for unstable builds perfectly in a chroot. |
| 02:27.31 | gravity | sanxiyn: There's no bug that I'm aware of for that |
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| 02:27.46 | *** topic/#debian by bob2 -> GETTING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: sid, etch and /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java | /msg dpkg kde3.4 | /msg dpkg apt secure | Please note: this is not #ubuntu. |
| 02:27.48 | sanxiyn | gravity: So it must be Ubuntu bug. I'm sure FTBFS is a bug for Ubuntu too. |
| 02:27.49 | gravity | God, there's got to be a way to kill this meme that ubuntu and debian are the same thing |
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| 02:28.05 | liable | hehe |
| 02:28.08 | Tortel | test |
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| 02:28.15 | dondelelcaro | gravity: large sticks and lots of beating hasn't done much... |
| 02:28.23 | Tortel | bob2: add This is NOT #Ubuntu |
| 02:28.35 | Tortel | :) |
| 02:28.47 | gravity | dondelelcaro: It's hard because the idea seems to be coming entirely from Ubuntu's teeming fans |
| 02:29.01 | gravity | Who don't seem to have any experience with Debian to actually know the difference |
| 02:29.14 | gravity | So they're not listening to anything we say anyway |
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| 02:29.22 | Tortel | Thats why I like gnome |
| 02:29.35 | Tortel | But debian is far better |
| 02:29.44 | sanxiyn | gravity: I think it's not exaggeration to say that many (most?) Ubuntu users haven't used Debian. |
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| 02:30.08 | CasaNova_ | I am trying to run wine in Sarge debian, all packages, I set version "Windows" = "nt40" but the app I'm running under wine keeps starting and stating windows 98se as the OS? Anywhere else it might be pulling this info from? another config perhaps? or when I choose run with wine from Nautilus does it run wine as a different user (deafult config?) |
| 02:30.17 | gravity | sanxiyn: Right. Ubuntu has done an incredible job of recruiting new users that aren't the typical linux user type. |
| 02:30.21 | Tortel | ubuntu is a great starting point, but debian beats the hell outa it |
| 02:30.35 | CasaNova_ | Just wondering if it's anythign users of deb have seen here - if not I'll head over to #wine... |
| 02:30.57 | treitter | gravity: rockin'! Thanks for pointing out build-dep :) |
| 02:31.12 | treitter | it would've been painful to figure out those 20 deps manually.. |
| 02:31.13 | gravity | treitter: No problem |
| 02:31.28 | treitter | (especially with X.org < 7.0) |
| 02:31.37 | treitter | gravity: looking forward to the moduler X? |
| 02:31.50 | gravity | treitter: For future help with your Ubuntu system, I *highly* recommend going to #ubuntu for help |
| 02:31.56 | bob2 | those five trillion 50KB source packagaes will be great fun |
| 02:31.57 | gravity | treitter: More than you can imagine |
| 02:32.09 | spacko | http://spacko.sky.prohosting.com/ |
| 02:32.13 | gravity | bob2: I'm going to get my scripting on hardcore |
| 02:32.17 | dabaR | pah |
| 02:32.18 | gravity | The only question is shell or ruby? |
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| 02:32.30 | Tortel | python! |
| 02:32.30 | sanxiyn | Python rules! :-) |
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| 02:32.32 | liable | spacko: mind not spamming? |
| 02:32.36 | sanxiyn | Tortel: hehe |
| 02:32.41 | bob2 | liable: TOO SLOW |
| 02:32.45 | liable | heh |
| 02:32.54 | dabaR | waaaaaaay too slow |
| 02:32.57 | gravity | Python is fine, but if I'm writing it and running it, it'll probably be ruby 'cause I'm more comfy with it |
| 02:33.04 | liable | !lose me |
| 02:33.07 | dpkg | liable: You Lose. |
| 02:33.14 | bob2 | hah |
| 02:33.20 | gravity | Since it'll just be developer tools anyway it doesn't matter |
| 02:33.34 | Tortel | !lose spacko |
| 02:33.35 | dpkg | spacko: You Lose. |
| 02:33.40 | Tortel | ha! |
| 02:33.42 | Tortel | >:) |
| 02:33.44 | NOthsouth | I need the glibc ..where can I find it in some repository ? |
| 02:33.51 | bob2 | NOthsouth: you have glibc |
| 02:33.59 | bob2 | NOthsouth: or else your system would not boot and your cat would be on fire |
| 02:34.01 | gravity | NOthsouth: You... don't have libc? |
| 02:34.02 | dabaR | !win me |
| 02:34.03 | dpkg | Congratulations, dabar! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 02:34.17 | Tortel | !win ops |
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| 02:34.18 | dpkg | Congratulations, ops! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 02:34.19 | mfrisch | Ok got a lib problem...iaxcomm: error while loading shared libraries: libtiff.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 02:34.29 | Tortel | !win me |
| 02:34.29 | dpkg | Congratulations, tortel! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 02:34.34 | treitter | gravity: I can imagine :) - I would've gladly just built the X server from 7.0 RC 1, except then I'd have to build all the dependencies manually first, too :) |
| 02:34.35 | bob2 | NOthsouth: now tell us what binar-only software you're trying to install that says you need a newer glibc |
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| 02:34.46 | bob2 | mfrisch: packages.debian.org will show you what package that is in |
| 02:34.48 | bob2 | also |
| 02:34.50 | EdLin | you know you can /msg the bots |
| 02:34.50 | bob2 | !+find libtiff.so.3 |
| 02:34.52 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 02:34.57 | treitter | gravity: but the fact that it's autotooled, alone, is awesome |
| 02:35.05 | sanxiyn | gravity: Heh. |
| 02:35.22 | gravity | treitter: Yeah, that's got its benefits definitely |
| 02:35.32 | gravity | treitter: imake isn't *so* bad though |
| 02:35.44 | gravity | I could have been very happy with modular imake |
| 02:35.49 | sanxiyn | gravity: It's called Nexenta, by the way. |
| 02:35.59 | gravity | sanxiyn: Meh |
| 02:36.07 | sanxiyn | (Not Nexant.) |
| 02:36.11 | gravity | Debuntuopensolaris |
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| 02:36.57 | liable | :) the latest debian derivative. |
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| 02:37.10 | Tortel | !ubuntu |
| 02:37.10 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 02:37.17 | mik3 | anyone know of any applications that will convert real audio to mp3 format? |
| 02:37.33 | tvn | google probably can answer it better |
| 02:37.38 | bob2 | mik3: mencoder, part of mplayer |
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| 02:37.55 | NOthsouth | bob2, I'm installing Oracle 10g |
| 02:38.07 | LinuxGold | n0thsouth: lemme know how you think o fit. |
| 02:38.10 | NOthsouth | i can't find some libs.. like libmotif3 |
| 02:38.14 | LinuxGold | s/o fit./of it./ |
| 02:38.21 | sanxiyn | !info libmotif3 |
| 02:38.23 | dpkg | libmotif3: (Open Motif - shared libraries), section non-free/libs, is extra. Version: 2.2.3-1.2 (sid), Packaged size: 1213 kB, Installed size: 3056 kB |
| 02:38.26 | sanxiyn | There you go. |
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| 02:38.53 | bob2 | NOthsouth: and the error is...(#flood if it's more than two lines) |
| 02:38.54 | NOthsouth | sanxiyn, huMm thx dude.. but what is the repository ? i'still don't know.. |
| 02:39.03 | sanxiyn | NOthsouth: Official one. |
| 02:39.19 | mfrisch | bob2 I am not finding it |
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| 02:39.35 | sanxiyn | NOthsouth: Add "non-free" to your sources.list and sacrifice a lamb for redemption. |
| 02:39.40 | NOthsouth | error: error in invoking target ntcontab.o |
| 02:40.22 | mik3 | thanks bob |
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| 02:40.53 | bob2 | mfrisch: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=libtiff.so.3&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=oldstable&arch=i386 |
| 02:41.14 | bob2 | mfrisch: also, this application is using a lib that is not even in debian stable; I'd be kinda worried that it's got security issues... |
| 02:41.15 | luchoargentino | hispanoparlantes pasen a la sala de hispano parlantes y les agradeceria que podamos conversar |
| 02:41.19 | NOthsouth | thx guys |
| 02:41.21 | gravity | !es |
| 02:41.21 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:41.58 | luchoargentino | hay algunpo que sepa leer español |
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| 02:42.18 | mfrisch | bob2 so I use libtiff.so.4? |
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| 02:43.15 | bob2 | mfrisch: no, get libtiff.so.3 |
| 02:46.35 | mfrisch | bob2 the link you gave me goes to libtiff.so.4 I searched .3 no luck What am I missing? |
| 02:47.08 | bob2 | mfrisch: the link I gave you has a link to libtiff3g |
| 02:47.25 | dondelelcaro | mfrisch: http://packages.debian.org/oldstable/libs/libtiff3g |
| 02:47.35 | dondelelcaro | !info libtiff3g woody |
| 02:47.41 | dpkg | libtiff3g: (Tag Image File Format library), section libs, is optional. Version: 3.5.5-6.woody5 (woody), Packaged size: 79 kB, Installed size: 320 kB |
| 02:48.41 | mfrisch | Got it THANKS |
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| 02:51.57 | liable | !tell loca|host about away |
| 02:52.37 | dotCOMmie | !tell dotCOMmie about away |
| 02:53.03 | Tortel | !away |
| 02:53.04 | dpkg | Do not use public away/back messages in #debian. If we want to know where you are, we'll /whois you. In BX, /set auto_away off; ask in #yourircclient if you have questions. If you continue to use public aways/backs you will be devoiced. http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html |
| 02:53.06 | EchsO | ok i have color on my terminal...but how do i get colors and in file listings...? |
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| 02:53.19 | Tortel | ls --color |
| 02:53.39 | Tortel | use --color for everything, see if it works |
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| 02:54.07 | id10t | actually, use --help for everything. it works with more things than ls |
| 02:54.27 | dotCOMmie | EchsO: if you use bash check the ~/.barshrc |
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| 03:01.58 | salmenara | hello all |
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| 03:02.27 | ch1p | how do you copy a file to a mounted floppy? |
| 03:02.37 | Varanger | s |
| 03:03.20 | EdLin | ch1p: cp |
| 03:03.55 | EdLin | !fundamentals ch1p |
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| 03:04.23 | ch1p | EdLin i used the syntax cp filename /floppy/filename and get error that foo(text) is not a directory |
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| 03:05.19 | EdLin | ch1p: are you sure you're specifying it correctly? |
| 03:05.24 | NOthsouth | how can I know it i have glibc 2.2.4 our greater ? |
| 03:06.15 | EdLin | NOthsouth: apt-cache policy libc6 |
| 03:06.40 | EdLin | nathan_: and indeed you do if you're running Sarge or greater. |
| 03:06.42 | NOthsouth | unable to find |
| 03:06.52 | NOthsouth | locate* |
| 03:07.24 | EdLin | NOthsouth: that's strange, it works here. |
| 03:07.40 | NOthsouth | there is any libc6 package ? |
| 03:07.55 | EdLin | NOthsouth: every Debian system has one. |
| 03:08.07 | NOthsouth | hum |
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| 03:08.23 | mik3 | Bob332: i don't suppose you know the syntax to convert the real audio file to mp3 via mencoder |
| 03:08.23 | NOthsouth | well |
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| 03:08.33 | NOthsouth | what should i do ? |
| 03:08.34 | mik3 | Bob2: i don't suppose you know the syntax to convert the real audio file to mp3 via mencoder |
| 03:08.43 | EdLin | NOthsouth: excepting of course truly obsolete Debians which were pre-libc6 |
| 03:08.59 | ch1p | EdLin: cp -v ./file.txt /floppy/file.txt |
| 03:09.03 | NOthsouth | I just install debian from netinstall CD |
| 03:09.04 | EdLin | NOthsouth: if you're running Sarge or later assume you have a libc that's new enough. |
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| 03:09.13 | NOthsouth | sarge |
| 03:09.19 | NOthsouth | 2.6 |
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| 03:10.02 | EdLin | NOthsouth: I wouldn't worry about the age of Sarge's libc if I were you, though I wonder why apt-cache isn't working if apt-get works. |
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| 03:10.40 | NOthsouth | EdLin, no ideia |
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| 03:12.18 | tiglionabbit | how do I set the mouse button a particular device uses? I have a tablet with an eraser, and touching the eraser to the screen uses mouse button #52 |
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| 03:12.19 | NOthsouth | Error in invoking target 'ntcontab.o' of makefile ...i'm trying to install oracle 10g |
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| 03:12.21 | Varanger | Is there any similar to kuser for Gnome ? |
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| 03:12.46 | Tortel | kuser? |
| 03:12.48 | Tortel | whats that? |
| 03:12.51 | Tortel | !kuser |
| 03:13.01 | Tortel | :( |
| 03:13.01 | EdLin | NOthsouth: I don't know anything about installing oracle. Since it's closed source, if you're having problems beg them for support. |
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| 03:13.05 | Varanger | !kuser |
| 03:14.13 | Varanger | Tortel: Is a user management program |
| 03:14.14 | Varanger | You can manage users and groups |
| 03:14.17 | sussudio | !info kuser |
| 03:14.18 | Tortel | What does kuser do? |
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| 03:14.35 | dpkg | kuser: (KDE user/group administration tool), section admin, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 228 kB, Installed size: 768 kB |
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| 03:14.35 | Tortel | Yep |
| 03:14.35 | Tortel | Gnome has that |
| 03:14.35 | EdLin | Tortel: use apt-cache show or apt-cache search to find out what a given package does. |
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| 03:14.49 | Tortel | Varanger: Go gnome, it has a tool that does that |
| 03:15.05 | gravity | Varanger: Try gnome-system-tools |
| 03:15.39 | Varanger | gravity: Thank you! |
| 03:15.46 | EdLin | you can manage users and groups with scripts and useradd. |
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| 03:16.22 | gravity | Varanger: You're welcome |
| 03:16.23 | Varanger | How can I configure Firefox to be the default browser in KDE instead of Konqueror ?? |
| 03:16.38 | Tortel | KDE control center |
| 03:16.44 | Varanger | I am there |
| 03:16.46 | Tortel | look for a defaults section |
| 03:16.57 | Tortel | Thats all i can think of |
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| 03:17.11 | Dregga | Has anyone had a problem setting KDE to use a resolution like 1280x960?? |
| 03:19.33 | gravity | Try update-alternatives --configure x-www-browser |
| 03:19.33 | jdhutchin1 | oops |
| 03:19.33 | Tortel | Dregga: Chances are thats not KDE, but xserver |
| 03:19.33 | PandaKun | owned. |
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| 03:19.33 | Tortel | schisse |
| 03:19.33 | Tortel | :O |
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| 03:19.34 | rugrat | can someone explain apt-get? been learning but can |
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| 03:19.34 | dondelelcaro | rugrat: just ask a question. |
| 03:19.47 | harry | Is there a howto for customizing the kernel 2.4.27-2-686? |
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| 03:20.00 | rugrat | I don't understand apt-get. |
| 03:20.00 | jdhutchin1 | harry, what do you want to 'customize' ? |
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| 03:20.22 | jdhutchin1 | rugrat, have you read through the man pages and documentation at debian.org ? |
| 03:20.25 | rugrat | Been trying to install dvdread to get my dvdreader to work but |
| 03:20.30 | harry | I want sound |
| 03:20.38 | rugrat | since I don't have a c compiler I can't just run ./configure |
| 03:20.47 | Tortel | rugrat: That takes customization to apt |
| 03:21.06 | EdLin | Tortel: no, it can be done if you've got libdvdread. |
| 03:21.09 | Tortel | you need libdvdcss2 |
| 03:21.15 | Tortel | :o |
| 03:21.17 | Tortel | really? |
| 03:21.19 | Tortel | damn... |
| 03:21.22 | jdhutchin1 | yeah |
| 03:21.23 | rugrat | libdvdread is what I'm tryign to install |
| 03:21.26 | jdhutchin1 | you can get it from marillat |
| 03:21.37 | jdhutchin1 | !tell rugrat about marillat |
| 03:21.47 | EdLin | /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh |
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| 03:21.57 | harry | I got the kernel-package and kernel-source |
| 03:21.58 | EdLin | will get you dcss without resorting to marillat |
| 03:22.02 | Tortel | oh |
| 03:22.09 | harry | kernel-headers |
| 03:22.23 | jdhutchin1 | harry, the default debian kernel should have sound support enabled |
| 03:22.23 | Tortel | rugrat: try apt-get install libdvdread0 as root |
| 03:22.25 | EdLin | marillat is good for some other stuff though. |
| 03:22.38 | Tortel | oops |
| 03:22.42 | Tortel | rugrat: try apt-get install libdvdread3 as root |
| 03:22.44 | Tortel | 3 |
| 03:22.45 | harry | alsa doestn like it only legacy |
| 03:22.49 | Tortel | not 0 |
| 03:25.32 | rugrat | It keeps telling me it can't find the package but I'm looking right at it |
| 03:25.32 | rugrat | :0 |
| 03:25.35 | rugrat | libdvdread3 just says nothing installed and 1 item not upgraded |
| 03:25.35 | EdLin | rugrat: by the way, why don't you have a C compiler? It usually is installed by Debian. |
| 03:25.36 | harry | got a ymf744 alsa needs ymfpci |
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| 03:25.38 | harry | alsa-util only wants to look for pnp laegacy or something |
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| 03:25.56 | rugrat | good question. Media in linux |
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| 03:28.07 | rugrat | EdLin good question |
| 03:28.09 | rugrat | The distro I'm using was geared for Multimedia, Mediainlinux |
| 03:28.09 | rugrat | Which baffels me as to why it wouldn't come wiht a compiler |
| 03:28.10 | EdLin | rugrat: you say no c compiler is installed. Are you sure you're running Debian? |
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| 03:29.29 | Tortel | hmm |
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| 03:31.37 | EdLin | rugrat: so you aren't runing Debian |
| 03:32.40 | rugrat | EdLin: it's a Debian distro |
| 03:32.40 | rugrat | EdLin: Not true Debian |
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| 03:34.33 | Varanger | a |
| 03:34.34 | rugrat | Mediainlinux |
| 03:34.34 | rugrat | Tortel: something new poped up with libdvd3, says it's already the newest version |
| 03:34.34 | harry | seriously want to rebuild kernel with right sound support just need to know where to read up |
| 03:34.34 | Tortel | uname -r |
| 03:34.34 | Tortel | oops, thats for kernel |
| 03:34.34 | Tortel | :P |
| 03:34.38 | rugrat | EdLin: not a true Debian. www.mediainlinux.org to see it |
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| 03:36.43 | EchsO | shit someone help...i added something to my .aliases file for root... |
| 03:36.43 | EchsO | and it caused a segmentation fault... |
| 03:36.43 | EchsO | when i try to do a "su -" |
| 03:36.43 | EchsO | to login as root |
| 03:36.43 | Tortel | uname -a |
| 03:36.44 | liable | !test |
| 03:38.26 | rugrat | 2.4.26 |
| 03:38.53 | oversweep | hi, since i updated to 2.6.14 hda is in PIO mode, and when i do hdparm -d1 /dev/hda i get "HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted" |
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| 03:39.10 | EdLin | rugrat: maybe you should ask on #Mediainlinux or whatever support they offer, obviously the Debian advice you are getting here doesn't work on your distro. |
| 03:39.10 | EdLin | !based on Debian |
| 03:39.11 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
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| 03:40.02 | harry | forget the kernel for now, I'll settle for upgrading every package that needs it, which apt command? |
| 03:41.00 | liable | hrm, |
| 03:41.02 | rugrat | EdLin: I've been trying to get a hold of them with no luck. I'll keep at it. Thanks for you help ;-p kg |
| 03:41.03 | LinuxGold | If I install apache2, what is the groupname for it? |
| 03:41.03 | Tortel | apt-get update |
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| 03:41.04 | Tortel | wait |
| 03:41.04 | harry | thank you! |
| 03:41.04 | Tortel | thats package lists |
| 03:41.04 | Tortel | hmm |
| 03:41.04 | dondelelcaro | rugrat: if it's not really Debian, it's OT here. |
| 03:41.04 | EdLin | rugrat: read what dpkg just said - this is a Debian support channel. |
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| 03:41.06 | dondelelcaro | rugrat: we can't support distributions that are "based on" Debian here. |
| 03:41.07 | Tortel | harry: apt-get upgrade |
| 03:41.07 | Tortel | damnit |
| 03:41.07 | Tortel | :| |
| 03:41.07 | Tortel | :( |
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| 03:41.31 | oversweep | hi, since i updated to 2.6.14 hda is in PIO mode, and when i do hdparm -d1 /dev/hda i get "HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted" |
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| 03:41.34 | dondelelcaro | oversweep: did you build dma into the kernel? |
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| 03:41.36 | dondelelcaro | oversweep: give us your kernel configuration. |
| 03:41.37 | oversweep | dondelelcaro, its de default kernel, i installed with apt |
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| 03:41.37 | dondelelcaro | oversweep: which kernel image? |
| 03:41.37 | oversweep | 2.6.14-2 |
| 03:41.38 | dondelelcaro | oversweep: which of the 2.6.14-2 images? |
| 03:41.38 | EdLin | thc: www.debian.org |
| 03:41.38 | oversweep | its the one in the unstable repos |
| 03:41.38 | oversweep | ah |
| 03:41.38 | oversweep | 686 |
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| 03:41.39 | oversweep | i have an intel ich4-m controler |
| 03:41.39 | dpkg | Yes, liable, you're still online. |
| 03:41.44 | LinuxGold | dang. |
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| 03:41.55 | Tortel | !distro |
| 03:41.55 | dpkg | methinks distro is significa distribuion (english) |
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| 03:41.58 | oversweep | hi, since i updated to 2.6.14 hda is in PIO mode, and when i do hdparm -d1 /dev/hda i get "HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted" the kernel is the one in the sid repositories, kernel 2.6.14-1-686 |
| 03:41.58 | tvn | too many derivations of Debian ...... |
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| 03:42.02 | dondelelcaro | oversweep: is there anything in dmesg about it? |
| 03:42.02 | LinuxGold | If I install apache2, what is the groupname for it? |
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| 03:44.09 | bucky | www-data |
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| 03:44.24 | LinuxGold | ok |
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| 03:44.43 | bob2 | oversweep: it worked under 2.6.13? |
| 03:44.43 | bob2 | LinuxGold: www-data... |
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| 03:44.47 | oversweep | bob2, under 2.6.12 - yes, it still does; dondelelcaro still searching... |
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| 03:44.50 | LinuxGold | instead of editing /etc/group, what is the utility that adds user to group? |
| 03:46.50 | smacnay | what is the app that acts as a front end to editing the scripts run on boot? |
| 03:46.50 | liable | adduser foo group |
| 03:46.50 | liable | grr, lag.. |
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| 03:46.53 | bob2 | oversweep: what chipet, out of interest? |
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| 03:46.53 | oversweep | bob, dondelelcaro ICH4: neither IDE port enabled (BIOS) |
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| 03:46.53 | bucky | man adduser |
| 03:47.12 | LinuxGold | thanks. |
| 03:47.15 | bob2 | LinuxGold: wha tare you trying to do? |
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| 03:47.32 | bob2 | smacnay: rcconf, sysv-rc-editor, update-rc.d, bum... |
| 03:47.37 | LinuxGold | bob2: allow a user an access to apache files -- the privilege to create/edit files. |
| 03:47.52 | smacnay | bob2: update-rc.d front end - an ncurses app |
| 03:47.57 | smacnay | maybe rcconf |
| 03:47.57 | bob2 | LinuxGold: www-data should not own anything on disk |
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| 03:47.59 | oversweep | bob2, dondelelcaro , i got this in dmesg:hda: status error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest } |
| 03:48.00 | oversweep | ide: failed opcode was: unknown |
| 03:48.00 | oversweep | hda: drive not ready for command |
| 03:48.00 | oversweep | hda: CHECK for good STATUS |
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| 03:48.17 | LinuxGold | bob2: ok -- how do I allow specific user an access to it only? |
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| 03:48.44 | bob2 | LinuxGold: to do what? edit apache config files or to edit files apache wrote in reply to uploads? |
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| 03:48.51 | oversweep | sorry |
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| 03:49.00 | LinuxGold | edit web files for website. |
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| 03:49.13 | roby | I wish to install php4, it wants to install apache-common, i already have apache2, what should i do? |
| 03:49.16 | oversweep | dondelelcaro, bob2 any ideas? |
| 03:49.24 | dvsdude | hey all any one here use monash uni in there apt sources |
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| 03:49.51 | roby | nevermind my question |
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| 03:50.06 | dvsdude | why is it a repositry fails to have a file after an apt-get update??? |
| 03:50.15 | dondelelcaro | dvsdude: are you running unstable? |
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| 03:50.20 | dvsdude | yes |
| 03:50.29 | deadcat | not synced up yet |
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| 03:50.47 | dondelelcaro | dvsdude: that happens all the time on unstable; some mirrors upgrade the packages files before they've gotten all the packages. |
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| 03:50.52 | dondelelcaro | not really a big deal. |
| 03:51.00 | litage | when i try to send an email, this syslog msg occurs and the email isn't delivered. how can i fix this?: D8798827E: to=<nick@altcall.net>, relay=none, delay=0, status=deferred (connect to 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]: server dropped connection without sending the initial SMTP greeting) |
| 03:51.16 | dvsdude | wish theyd get there act together is becoming a pain they do it constantly |
| 03:51.29 | dondelelcaro | dvsdude: *shrug*; change mirrors then. |
| 03:52.07 | dvsdude | dondelelcaro, i did |
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| 03:59.44 | Fjams | Q: i have shared a folder via NFS as (rw,sync) but when i mount it on os x computer it becomes ro, do i have to do anything else in the /etc/exports to be able to write to it? |
| 04:01.16 | klock | NFS makes me sexually excited |
| 04:01.23 | EchsO | Fjams maybe your settings on the os x computer is mounting as ro |
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| 04:01.55 | Fjams | well i'm using a program to mount and i specificly deselect "open as read only" |
| 04:02.31 | dvsdude | what program?? |
| 04:02.33 | Fjams | but there is no other trick to it in exports? the rw should do the trick? |
| 04:02.36 | Fjams | NFS Manager |
| 04:03.15 | predius_ | guys, where is "dig"? |
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| 04:04.50 | liable | dnsutils |
| 04:05.01 | predius_ | k |
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| 04:05.34 | kingsley | caphuso dondelelcaro asuffield bob2` helix`: Would you like to see experimental reports on bans and profanity on #debian? |
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| 04:07.24 | dondelelcaro | kingsley: ? |
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| 04:12.28 | liable | i would like to see whatver the hell your on about. |
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| 04:15.14 | Phated | Yeh, it might be interesting. |
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| 04:16.18 | klock | freebsd 2.1 is out |
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| 04:19.06 | cheal | klock: sounds like fresh news |
| 04:19.19 | bucky | kingsley i want to see them |
| 04:19.26 | klock | yeah |
| 04:19.37 | EdLin | klock: it's NetBSD that's 2.1, you dolt. |
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| 04:20.32 | cheal | oh, wait, we're in the third millenium too now! |
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| 04:20.35 | EdLin | didn't mean to scare him away. :-) |
| 04:21.12 | dvsdude | he's off to install 2.1 freebsd hehe |
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| 04:22.17 | cheal | I'm sure he'd be better with rex |
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| 04:27.26 | dvsdude | how often is it recommend to upgrade debain systems? i |
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| 04:27.39 | Roots | Every 6 minutes |
| 04:27.49 | dondelelcaro | dvsdude: in stable, any time there's a security advisory that affects you. |
| 04:27.52 | liable | hehe, the bigeest subwofer in the worls article on ./ is a laugh. |
| 04:27.57 | dondelelcaro | dvsdude: for other releases, it depends on what you're doing. |
| 04:28.42 | dvsdude | dondelelcaro, cheers |
| 04:28.42 | cheal | does stable security updates get updates more frequent than once a day? |
| 04:28.44 | dondelelcaro | there's little point to upgrading > once a day. |
| 04:28.57 | dondelelcaro | cheal: I'm actually not sure about that one; they might. |
| 04:29.08 | dondelelcaro | cheal: the main archive only updates once a day, though. |
| 04:29.23 | cheal | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks anyway |
| 04:29.39 | thd | Linux gzip unlike BSD gzip has no progress indicator. What could I pipe linux gzip through to give a progress indicator? |
| 04:30.23 | dondelelcaro | thd: use -v. |
| 04:30.43 | dondelelcaro | thd: but there's generally little point. If you care, look at the size of the file that is being written out. |
| 04:31.41 | kingsley | bucky: I'm back. |
| 04:32.10 | kingsley | bucky: How may I privately provide you with the URL of the experimental reports? |
| 04:32.26 | dondelelcaro | just make it public; easier that way |
| 04:32.55 | kingsley | dondelelcaro: Do you promise not to shoot (or ban) the messenger? |
| 04:33.22 | bucky | kingsley, a /msg is fine |
| 04:33.22 | dondelelcaro | well, not for something you say outside of the channel; I don't care about that. |
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| 04:34.13 | thd | dondelelcaro: I want to know that gzipping an entire large disk partition is progressing. I meant that dd does not have a progress indicator in Linux but I would pipe dd output through gzip. |
| 04:34.26 | dondelelcaro | thd: dd actually does. |
| 04:34.30 | dondelelcaro | thd: send it a USR1 |
| 04:35.17 | kingsley | bucky: I'd appreciate your comments. |
| 04:35.41 | thd | dondelelcaro: I saw that part of the dd man page but it did not seem clear. |
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| 04:36.04 | dondelelcaro | thd: it's pretty straightforward; send dd a USR1; and it outputs what it's done[ |
| 04:36.22 | liable | kingsley: sling it my way to please |
| 04:37.09 | kingsley | liable: Did you get it? |
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| 04:38.55 | liable | kingsley: no. |
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| 04:40.46 | kingsley | bucky: Did you get the URL? |
| 04:41.01 | bucky | no |
| 04:41.18 | bucky | just /msg http://url |
| 04:41.41 | bucky | you're not running some windows client are you? |
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| 04:42.13 | kingsley | bucky: I'm not registered, so I can't use /msg. |
| 04:42.29 | bucky | make another channel? |
| 04:42.30 | silverton | then register |
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| 04:42.33 | silverton | it's not that hard... |
| 04:42.47 | bucky | go to an established channel? |
| 04:43.14 | kingsley | bucky: Can you join #report? |
| 04:43.32 | bucky | yep |
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| 04:46.11 | flash | hi! |
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| 04:48.07 | flash | does anybody knows how to get the firefox mplayer plugin to work? |
| 04:48.13 | flash | i could not... |
| 04:49.20 | kingsley | flash: Mine works, but unfortunately, it has been so long since I set it up, I've forgotten how. I suppose you might search google's web and usenet archives. |
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| 04:49.50 | flash | tnx kinglsey, i tried evrything.... |
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| 04:49.57 | tree | hi |
| 04:49.58 | drs_dower | alo |
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| 04:50.02 | dvsdude | flash: add deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat etch main to sources im sure thats were i got mine from |
| 04:50.04 | flash | it was there, but did not work, had mozplugger too |
| 04:50.08 | tree | how do i install a package without installing a dependency? |
| 04:50.15 | tree | using apt-get. |
| 04:50.18 | flash | but erased mzplgr |
| 04:50.31 | flash | tnx dvs...which file to get from that repos? |
| 04:50.49 | dvsdude | flash: mplayer etc |
| 04:50.56 | flash | coz then firefox wants it installed somewhere and stuff...cannot apt get it and make it work |
| 04:51.02 | cddesjar | err...how do i verify my sources again? |
| 04:51.10 | flash | i have mplayer, but not the plugin |
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| 04:51.48 | liable | the plugin is in the debian repo's |
| 04:52.02 | liable | info mozilla-mplayer |
| 04:52.05 | flash | yep but whats the name.... |
| 04:52.05 | flash | ok |
| 04:52.07 | liable | !info mozilla-mplayer |
| 04:52.08 | dvsdude | flash, add nerim to ur sources then update then apt-cache search mplayer should be there in list as mozilla-mplayer |
| 04:52.09 | dpkg | mozilla-mplayer: (MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 3.05-1 (sid), Packaged size: 379 kB, Installed size: 1180 kB |
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| 04:52.41 | flash | dvs, nerim is other than marillat, where is it |
| 04:53.15 | dvsdude | flash: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat etch main |
| 04:53.22 | dvsdude | ?? |
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| 04:55.27 | evilkenshin | for some reason my video plays back faster then it should |
| 04:55.42 | flash | tnxs a lot dvs |
| 04:55.45 | flash | i am trying |
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| 04:56.08 | dvsdude | flash, np |
| 04:56.17 | diana | I have 3 cool projects that I think should be added to debian.org ... How can I add them as a suggestion to be added? |
| 04:56.45 | sanxiyn | diana: You can file a bug report requesting the package. |
| 04:56.59 | evilkenshin | anyone know how to slow down my video playback? |
| 04:57.09 | diana | sanxiyn: How do i do that? |
| 04:57.18 | sanxiyn | diana: See http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ under "prospective package" |
| 04:57.21 | diana | thanks |
| 04:57.48 | sanxiyn | diana: Basically, it means sending some mail to submit@bugs.debian.org with what it is, what its license is, etc. |
| 04:57.56 | flash | i added that repos |
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| 04:58.06 | flash | and its not findind mplayer-plugin |
| 04:58.11 | sanxiyn | diana: Or, "reportbug wnpp" guide you through it. |
| 04:58.41 | sanxiyn | diana: What are those cool 3 projects? |
| 04:58.44 | liable | the plugin is in debian contrib section.. |
| 04:59.04 | diana | daKun@pool-71-109-212-38.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [] |
| 04:59.05 | diana | 23:57 < sanxiyn> diana: See http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ under "prospective package" |
| 04:59.08 | diana | 23:57 < diana> thanks |
| 04:59.08 | diana | woops, soryr |
| 04:59.09 | dvsdude | flash, lead u up the rong path its part of contrib packages google http://packages.debian.org/unstable/misc/mozilla-mplayer |
| 04:59.19 | diana | http://sourceforge.net/projects/preload/ |
| 04:59.21 | tree | flash: use unstable mozzila-mplayer |
| 04:59.24 | diana | Isn't that a cool project? |
| 04:59.30 | tree | flash: doh, someone said it first. |
| 04:59.38 | evilkenshin | my video plays back to fast |
| 04:59.46 | diana | sanxiyn: preload is one of them. |
| 04:59.55 | tree | evilkenish: perhaps your video is corrupted |
| 05:00.03 | LinuxGold | what package is mysqli in? |
| 05:00.04 | sanxiyn | diana: Interesting. |
| 05:00.05 | dvsdude | flash, but nerim is handy repos for media related apps |
| 05:00.07 | diana | http://slim.berlios.de/ |
| 05:00.07 | *** mode/#debian [+l 609] by debhelper |
| 05:00.17 | diana | slim desktop manager is another. |
| 05:00.29 | diana | i don't like using gdm or kdm...because I have a shitty laptop...and I don't want to load kde or gdm |
| 05:00.44 | diana | slim has good functionality that xdm doesn't have...like splash screens and wm switching. |
| 05:00.47 | tree | diana: use ratpoison. it doesn't hog resoucres like kde and gdm do |
| 05:00.47 | diana | And it runs fast. |
| 05:00.54 | diana | kdm or gdm |
| 05:00.54 | deadcat | diana: NICE (= |
| 05:00.55 | diana | I mean. |
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| 05:01.04 | sanxiyn | diana: No diana means display manager, not desktop. |
| 05:01.09 | sanxiyn | Oops, was to tree. |
| 05:01.22 | Guerin | use startx |
| 05:01.25 | tree | diana: heh. oh, sorry, i misread. how embarassing. |
| 05:01.28 | Guerin | cures all ills |
| 05:01.32 | diana | Guerin: I could do that. |
| 05:01.34 | sanxiyn | Guerin: Hahahahahaha |
| 05:01.34 | deadcat | diana: finally something lighter than gdm and looks better than xdm |
| 05:01.35 | liable | old skool |
| 05:01.38 | diana | But I want other people in my classes to use linux |
| 05:01.48 | diana | And changing .xinitrc and startx is a little coomplicated. |
| 05:01.53 | Gnea | deadcat: what's that? |
| 05:01.53 | sanxiyn | diana: Seems to be GNUstep-related? Someone will be interested. |
| 05:01.57 | tree | diana: but seriously ratpoison.. is good. don't underestimate it. lol |
| 05:01.57 | Guerin | diana: bah |
| 05:01.57 | diana | it's easier if they can just click sessin and change it. |
| 05:02.01 | flash | still no mozilla-plugin there |
| 05:02.01 | deadcat | Gnea: display manager |
| 05:02.02 | Guerin | diana: nothing hard about it |
| 05:02.07 | flash | maybe another spot? |
| 05:02.09 | Gnea | deadcat: i know that, but which one? |
| 05:02.11 | tree | flash: update your apt-get |
| 05:02.19 | liable | flash: jeez, i told you before mozilla-mplayer.. |
| 05:02.22 | Gnea | sorry, i walked in on the convo heh |
| 05:02.28 | diana | And the third project is a global bash one... |
| 05:02.31 | Guerin | tree: ratpoison is fine if you don't like being able to change the size of your windows |
| 05:02.38 | tree | diana: http://www.nongnu.org/ratpoison/ |
| 05:02.38 | evilkenshin | ive tried several videos innn several different players and none of them work |
| 05:02.52 | diana | 00:02 < tree> diana: but seriously ratpoison.. is good. don't underestimate it. lol |
| 05:03.00 | liable | !forcefeed Gnea |
| 05:03.00 | flash | i did it, will try again |
| 05:03.00 | Guerin | tree: iow, if you want everything to be fullscreen, all the time, including popups like firefox's download manager |
| 05:03.03 | sanxiyn | diana: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=248425 is a sample bug requesting for package. |
| 05:03.05 | liable | :( |
| 05:03.06 | sanxiyn | (It's filed by me. :-) |
| 05:03.08 | diana | https://sourceforge.net/projects/bash-gchistory/ |
| 05:03.24 | deadcat | diana: slim is usable right? i am sick of softwares that dont do what they say |
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| 05:03.58 | sanxiyn | diana: SLiM looks interesting. Go file a request bug. :-) |
| 05:04.02 | Gnea | !helixsmite liable |
| 05:04.04 | flash | now it sez its installed! |
| 05:04.07 | tree | Guerin: i leave the ff's download manager hidden :) it doesn't bother me... |
| 05:04.11 | flash | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:04.13 | Gnea | liable: oh oops ;) |
| 05:04.15 | liable | excellent |
| 05:04.44 | diana | I mean a lot of packages that are asked to be added only benefit very few people. |
| 05:04.49 | diana | I think these three would help a lot of people. |
| 05:04.53 | doubletwist | Anyone have MythTV running on debian and able to pull video from a cable box via firewire? |
| 05:05.09 | sanxiyn | diana: Well, I don't understand what bash-gchistory tries to do... |
| 05:05.16 | tree | Guerin: besides, you can resize the ff's download manager in ratpoison..... |
| 05:05.29 | diana | My favorite package there is preload. |
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| 05:05.46 | sanxiyn | diana: Do you have reportbug installed? |
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| 05:05.49 | sanxiyn | ("which reportbug") |
| 05:06.27 | flash | it shows "no picture" when tries to load a qt movie |
| 05:06.38 | Gnea | ok, slim looks pretty good at a glance - if it can do better than entrance i'll be impressed. |
| 05:07.01 | tree | flash: maybe, you'll need to install some required codec to play this movie.. i'm not sure. |
| 05:07.39 | flash | could be tree |
| 05:07.46 | flash | theres this w32codec |
| 05:07.46 | liable | flash: you have thw w32codecs package installed? |
| 05:07.53 | deadcat | diana: wheres the INSTALL file for slim? |
| 05:07.57 | flash | but i dont know if that supports quicktime |
| 05:08.06 | XShocK | btw, when i do mplayer -audiofile file.ac3 file1.avi, it says that neither dvaudio not ffmpeg could load cooretly the audio... how do i make mplayer run the AC3 audio? |
| 05:08.23 | flash | Package w32codecs is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 05:08.23 | flash | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 05:08.24 | flash | is only available from another source |
| 05:08.31 | sanxiyn | Gnea: Is Entrance in Debian? |
| 05:08.34 | liable | flash: apt-cache show w32codecs |
| 05:08.42 | sanxiyn | Ah, it's e17 thing. |
| 05:08.48 | sanxiyn | Obviously not. |
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| 05:08.54 | liable | flash: run update, its in the marillat repo |
| 05:08.57 | flash | no reply, liable |
| 05:09.03 | diana | sanxiyn: no I don't have reportbug installed |
| 05:09.06 | flash | i updated already |
| 05:09.13 | diana | deadcat: I dunno...lol it's not my project. |
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| 05:09.31 | sanxiyn | diana: You can install with apt-get install reportbug |
| 05:09.37 | diana | sanxiyn: I know. |
| 05:09.40 | flash | seems like its somewhere else not in marillat |
| 05:09.43 | diana | XShocK: try #mplayer maybe? |
| 05:10.08 | deadcat | diana: oh. damn... but nice find. i am using gdm and was looking at ldm, which suck. sllim has the look i want (=. |
| 05:10.09 | XShocK | diana, good idea. |
| 05:10.19 | rellik | arg.. I have a file that is named "-1abc.torrent" ... I can't do anything with it cause programs like 'rm' and 'mv' see the "-1" as an option and complain.. tried doing "\-1abc.torrent" but no good.. how do I fix this? |
| 05:10.21 | dvsdude | flash, when u do apt-cache search mplayer is it not listed and if u do apt-get install w32codecs does it not want to install |
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| 05:10.29 | diana | deadcat: yea it's awesome |
| 05:10.32 | evilkenshin | what do you apt-get to install mplayer? |
| 05:10.38 | deadcat | diana: you using it right now? |
| 05:10.41 | flash | tnx! |
| 05:10.42 | Gnea | !mplayer |
| 05:10.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mplayer is not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga> |
| 05:10.44 | diana | deadcat: Hopefully one of the debian-mentors agrees with us. |
| 05:10.55 | deadcat | diana: oh. you gonna maintain it? |
| 05:11.08 | flash | tnks! |
| 05:11.15 | diana | nah |
| 05:11.17 | flash | vlc is not working embedded in firefox |
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| 05:11.22 | diana | I've never maintained a package before. |
| 05:11.24 | dondelelcaro | diana: feel free to packagee them |
| 05:11.24 | Gnea | deadcat: i could try to :) |
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| 05:11.29 | diana | The task seems too daunting for me. |
| 05:11.34 | dvsdude | evilkenshin, deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat etch main |
| 05:11.36 | deadcat | Gnea: do it now (= i want it nownownow hehehe |
| 05:11.37 | diana | I've made rpms before though...simple spec files. |
| 05:11.38 | dondelelcaro | diana: if you need help, ask on #debian-mentors after reading the NM guide. |
| 05:11.41 | Gnea | hahaha |
| 05:11.42 | diana | never looked at how debs are made |
| 05:11.43 | dondelelcaro | diana: you can even ask here i fyou want. |
| 05:11.43 | sanxiyn | diana: You can still file a wishlist bug for requesting package. :-) |
| 05:11.48 | bancus | Does anyone know whether the AMD64 port is production-ready? |
| 05:11.55 | Gnea | deadcat: in the middle of an upgrade, just got the slim source, gonna give it a shot |
| 05:11.58 | Gnea | :) |
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| 05:12.08 | bancus | coi sanxiyn |
| 05:12.08 | deadcat | Gnea: cool. i got the source but no go heheh |
| 05:12.11 | dondelelcaro | bancus: it won't be production ready until a stable release is made; I think they did make an unofficial stable release though. |
| 05:12.12 | Gnea | bancus: kinda sorta |
| 05:12.15 | deadcat | Gnea: the readme is useless. |
| 05:12.21 | Gnea | deadcat: sid? |
| 05:12.27 | deadcat | Gnea: ya |
| 05:12.31 | bancus | dondelelcaro: they did |
| 05:12.41 | dondelelcaro | bancus: so if you're willing to keep slightly more of an eye on it than you would need to do for a normal Debian release, it's probably ok for production. |
| 05:12.45 | diana | Look at preload too |
| 05:12.46 | bancus | dondelelcaro: I was curious about its condition |
| 05:12.46 | sanxiyn | bancus: coi xu pilno la debin. |
| 05:12.56 | bancus | sanxiyn: na ca go'i |
| 05:12.56 | dondelelcaro | bancus: although, in most cases, you may be better of just using i386 unless you really need amd64. |
| 05:12.57 | deadcat | diana: whats preload? |
| 05:13.00 | bancus | my pilno la .ubuntus. |
| 05:13.02 | diana | http://sourceforge.net/projects/preload/ |
| 05:13.09 | doubletwist | bancus Although there's some hard ware that has problems in amd64 |
| 05:13.15 | bancus | dondelelcaro: I don't, I was thinking about using it for a server. |
| 05:13.16 | sanxiyn | bancus: je'e |
| 05:13.26 | evilkenshin | what do you apt-get to install mplayer? |
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| 05:13.35 | diana | evilkenshin: apt-get install mplayer-nogui |
| 05:13.40 | Phated | !tell evilkenshin about marillat |
| 05:13.40 | grendal_prime | hey guys..i have new zaurus and it has openzaurus on it...does anyone know of a channel that is devoted to handhelds? |
| 05:13.46 | bancus | sanxiyn: mi pensi lo nu zbasu lo skami noi jai pilno la debi,an |
| 05:13.53 | dvsdude | evilkenshin, add deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat etch main to sources.list then update |
| 05:13.58 | diana | evilkenshin: You need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list in order to add marillat. |
| 05:14.00 | grendal_prime | this things core looks an awfull lot like debian, arm |
| 05:14.03 | diana | !tell evilkenshin about marillat |
| 05:14.07 | Gnea | !tell evilkenshin about mplayer |
| 05:14.17 | bancus | So I should probably not bother getting an AMD64 for our server? |
| 05:14.19 | dondelelcaro | grendal_prime: there's a debian-handheld list which probably would be better suited than a channel. |
| 05:14.19 | dvsdude | !tell evilkenshin deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat etch main |
| 05:14.21 | deadcat | diana: damn. another nice app. (= |
| 05:14.22 | diana | woops |
| 05:14.27 | diana | deadcat: yea right? |
| 05:14.29 | liable | sheesh, i think he should have got it by now.. |
| 05:14.39 | cat | !info damn |
| 05:14.40 | cat | =) |
| 05:14.45 | cat | lier |
| 05:14.50 | diana | deadcat: They are pretty fresh. |
| 05:14.53 | deadcat | Gnea: you work on slim now (= |
| 05:14.53 | diana | code from the summer |
| 05:14.57 | bucky | grendal_prime, #openzaurus |
| 05:14.57 | diana | Haven't gotten popular yeyt. |
| 05:15.11 | grendal_prime | bucky, tried that |
| 05:15.14 | diana | I thought they would get added to debian on their own..but they haven't...so I'm going to bugrequest them |
| 05:15.19 | Gnea | grave bugs of rcconf (1.14 -> 1.15) <open> |
| 05:15.19 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:15.28 | Gnea | deadcat: this isn't very reassuring :/ |
| 05:15.40 | deadcat | heheh |
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| 05:15.43 | grendal_prime | thanks bucky...spelled it wrong |
| 05:15.45 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 05:17.07 | flash | so.....w32codecs is simply not there |
| 05:17.17 | flash | anybody knows how to upgrade gaim to 1.5? |
| 05:18.04 | flash | apt get sez i have the newest version, but theres a 1.5 and i dont have a clue how to upgrade it w/o apt-get |
| 05:18.13 | diana | deadcat: https://sourceforge.net/projects/bash-gchistory/ |
| 05:18.28 | diana | I have a bunch of neat ones...but slim and preload are my two big ones. |
| 05:18.40 | diana | global bash is a "neat" one...not as priority as preload or slim |
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| 05:18.59 | deadcat | diana: DAMN (= |
| 05:19.01 | Gnea | !sez |
| 05:19.01 | dpkg | Nothing "sez" anything. If you meant to say 'says', say it. If you ment pez, it's time to learn how to type. |
| 05:19.21 | beoba | r u dum? gawd |
| 05:19.25 | deadcat | diana: somebody got to get these in sid heheh |
| 05:19.26 | beoba | <Gnea explodes> |
| 05:19.29 | dvsdude | evilkenshin, http://www.princessleia.com/MPlayer.php |
| 05:19.34 | dvsdude | flash, http://www.princessleia.com/MPlayer.php |
| 05:19.37 | Gnea | beoba: problem? |
| 05:19.40 | wangjinyu | rubbish system |
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| 05:20.05 | diana | deadcat: lol yea |
| 05:20.09 | flash | i like sayin "sez" |
| 05:20.09 | beoba | (exploding from every word in that phrase) |
| 05:20.11 | flash | and "sayin" |
| 05:20.22 | flash | tnx so much dvs |
| 05:20.23 | Gnea | !u |
| 05:20.23 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 05:20.35 | diana | deadcat: know any mentors? |
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| 05:20.56 | flash | dont even care...i hate r&b....type it like that coz i like it.....english is NOT my native tongue |
| 05:21.09 | beoba | !r |
| 05:21.09 | dpkg | methinks r is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. AND IT'S "ARE", YOU MORONS! |
| 05:21.11 | flash | i live dooown south in argentina, and type it freely |
| 05:21.15 | beoba | !dum |
| 05:21.17 | Gnea | flash: then maybe you don't need to be here. |
| 05:21.19 | beoba | damn |
| 05:21.22 | beoba | !gawd |
| 05:21.22 | dpkg | Global Access Wireless Database |
| 05:21.25 | beoba | nice |
| 05:21.29 | beoba | !penis |
| 05:21.29 | dpkg | well, penis is the male reproductive organ, or the male reproductive organ_ |
| 05:21.31 | deadcat | diana: nah. |
| 05:21.34 | beoba | no! |
| 05:21.34 | diana | bob2 here? |
| 05:21.36 | Gnea | beoba: enough. |
| 05:21.42 | flash | !debian |
| 05:21.42 | dpkg | i heard debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 05:21.47 | beoba | proton enhanced nuclear induction spectroscopy! |
| 05:21.53 | doubletwist | "Sexual organ located in the lower abdominal area..." "OH OH!!!!" |
| 05:21.56 | bucky | !tell flash about marillat |
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| 05:22.02 | flash | gnea, i like to be here |
| 05:22.30 | Gnea | oh yes, the /ignore command, i almost forgot... |
| 05:23.30 | cat | hey how come i Cannot play dvds? with xine? |
| 05:23.37 | deadcat | what the fuck, isnt apt-get build-dep pkgname should start downloading build packages? |
| 05:23.38 | diana | dondelelcaro: Can you get preload slim and global bash added? |
| 05:23.48 | dondelelcaro | diana: ? |
| 05:24.01 | flash | !apple |
| 05:24.02 | dpkg | rumour has it, apple is the best hardware company out there. They make much better processors than intelAMD, but unfortunately are a bit proprietary, or the most "proprietary" of all companies, ever... sucks. OSI approved |
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| 05:24.15 | dondelelcaro | diana: file a WNPP bug for them if one doesn't exist already; I'm not particularly interested in those myself, which is why I haven't packaged them. |
| 05:24.17 | Gnea | cat: are you part of the cdrom group? did you update the css libs? |
| 05:24.22 | dvsdude | cat, check xine config |
| 05:24.26 | cat | Gnea let me check |
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| 05:25.03 | doubletwist | Hmm. Apple doesn't make processors. |
| 05:25.13 | Gnea | diana: if i can get it to work, i'll make an attempt to package slim and get it at least into experimental |
| 05:25.14 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: can you apt-get build-deb gdm on your ppc please |
| 05:25.24 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: what's the problem? |
| 05:25.39 | dvsdude | cat, xine looks for /dev/dvd by default i have a feeling i created sym link to /dev/hdd or whatever your dvd device is |
| 05:25.43 | dondelelcaro | !build-dep gdm |
| 05:25.50 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: it wont do anything. i tried any pkg and it fails. i have 2 source lines: E: Build-dependencies for gdm could not be satisfied. |
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| 05:26.24 | deadcat | Gnea: you gonna use checkinstall? |
| 05:26.26 | cddesjar | hmm...i can't seem to install 2.6.14 in sid |
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| 05:26.28 | cddesjar | any ideas? |
| 05:26.29 | dvsdude | Gnea, is cdrom group more for burning k3b etc or is it required for any dvd play?? |
| 05:26.39 | cddesjar | something about being unable to find suitable ramdisk generation tool |
| 05:26.48 | cddesjar | ls |
| 05:27.01 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: hrm... that's wierd; all of those dependencies should be satisfiable. |
| 05:27.12 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: you may try just trying to install them one by one to see what exactly is going on there. |
| 05:27.13 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ya. well ldm does.. strange |
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| 05:27.16 | Gnea | dvsdude: the cdrom or disk group, whichever owns the device /dev/dvd or /dev/cdrom points to |
| 05:27.24 | Zenethian | WHere the hell did the mysqlcc package go? |
| 05:27.31 | Gnea | dvsdude: er, whichever *group* owns it |
| 05:27.52 | Gnea | there's a mysqlcc package? |
| 05:27.54 | dondelelcaro | cddesjar: you probably don't have initrd-tools or whatever the package is now that has mkramfs |
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| 05:28.44 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 282554 |
| 05:28.46 | dpkg | DONE:#282554:N[ftp.debian.org] RM: mysqlcc -- RoM, RoQA, NPOASR; Abandoned upstream for mysql-admin & mysql-query-browser; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 00:33:01 UTC |
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| 05:28.55 | dondelelcaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:29.19 | cddesjar | something about being unable to find suitable ramdisk generation tool |
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| 05:29.41 | bucky | dpkg -l initrd-tools |
| 05:29.45 | dpkg | No packages found matching initrd-tools |
| 05:29.49 | Nurbs | install yaird or initramfs-tools |
| 05:30.03 | cddesjar | nurbs: me? |
| 05:30.05 | Zenethian | Damnit. |
| 05:30.08 | dondelelcaro | !info initrd-tools |
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| 05:30.11 | dpkg | initrd-tools: (tools to create initrd image for prepackaged Linux kernel), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.1.84 (sid), Packaged size: 31 kB, Installed size: 180 kB |
| 05:30.13 | Zenethian | mysql-query-browser sucks. ghgngngng |
| 05:30.14 | Zenethian | thanks. |
| 05:30.29 | Nurbs | cddesjar: yes |
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| 05:30.34 | dondelelcaro | Zenethian: *shrug*; the package was abandoned by upstream, and no maintainer wanted to maintain it, so it was jettisoned. |
| 05:30.44 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i think something is wrong with the deb-src for ppc. |
| 05:30.45 | Nurbs | initrd-tools has been obsoleted |
| 05:31.14 | Zenethian | hey its nurbs. :) |
| 05:31.16 | Nurbs | yaird works fine, initramfs-tools seems to be less complete so far |
| 05:31.17 | bucky | it's called initramfs-tools in sid now? |
| 05:31.17 | Nurbs | hi Z ;) |
| 05:31.23 | cddesjar | sweet that worked! |
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| 05:31.32 | Nurbs | bucky: it's a different thing. :) |
| 05:31.38 | Gnea | !dbugs 328243 |
| 05:31.41 | dpkg | #328243:N[slib] slibcat not created at install-time; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 11:18:04 UTC |
| 05:31.45 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*; I've always built my initrds manually. |
| 05:31.59 | cddesjar | ok...here's another question...my printer worked run with sarge then i upgraded it and now it doesn't show my driver anymore |
| 05:32.03 | dondelelcaro | (but then again, when I use them, I don't do normal things with them) |
| 05:32.09 | bucky | initrd-tools in etch is broken |
| 05:32.14 | doubletwist | I don't use initrd if I can help it. |
| 05:32.19 | Gnea | Setting up slib (3a2-1) ... |
| 05:32.19 | Gnea | ERROR: Unbound variable: with-load-pathname |
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| 05:32.25 | Gnea | grr |
| 05:32.27 | deadcat | diana: how do you shutdown/reboot from the slim screen? |
| 05:32.33 | Nurbs | bucky: it can't be used for non-devfs kernels anyway |
| 05:32.42 | Gnea | deadcat: not sure how well this is gonna go... |
| 05:32.47 | roby | Unfortunately I have to run gxine as root to be able to read dvd movies (using /dev/hdd device)... how can i let regular user do this? |
| 05:32.50 | Gnea | my upgrade is teh broke |
| 05:33.09 | deadcat | Gnea: let me try it on my x86 then. since ppc is no go right now |
| 05:33.12 | Gnea | well, it's only gnucash... but still |
| 05:33.20 | Gnea | deadcat: i don't have a ppc :) |
| 05:33.23 | deadcat | (= |
| 05:33.23 | sanxiyn | Gnea: I experienced the exactly same failure this morning. |
| 05:33.34 | sanxiyn | Gnea: I just got rid of it, but... |
| 05:33.44 | Gnea | sanxiyn: i'm just gonna live without gnucash for awhile |
| 05:34.16 | sanxiyn | Gnea: Fix uploaded. |
| 05:34.27 | sanxiyn | !dbugs 337359 |
| 05:34.27 | Nurbs | Gnea: heh, no cash to manage? |
| 05:34.30 | dpkg | DONE:#337359:G[slib] slib fails to configure: "ERROR: Unbound variable: with-load-pathname"; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 04:03:02 UTC |
| 05:34.34 | Gnea | Nurbs: ROFL!!! |
| 05:34.38 | sanxiyn | Gnea: Should be fine on the next mirror pulse. |
| 05:35.06 | sanxiyn | Good. No need to file bug |
| 05:35.24 | cddesjar | i am trying to run gdesklet and it's telling me that a sensor could not be found which means it's usually not installed |
| 05:35.25 | Gnea | Nurbs: if you'd asked me that 9 months ago, yeah :P |
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| 05:36.24 | Gnea | sanxiyn: very cool. what's the eta? |
| 05:36.56 | deadcat | Gnea: i give up |
| 05:36.58 | deadcat | (= |
| 05:37.05 | Gnea | deadcat: quitter :) |
| 05:37.18 | deadcat | hehehe. |
| 05:37.39 | Gnea | well, i quit cigs, so... ;) |
| 05:37.53 | deadcat | Gnea: hahah. quitter |
| 05:37.56 | sanxiyn | Gnea: http://people.debian.org/~joerg/dinstall.html |
| 05:37.57 | Gnea | i had a few in san francisco |
| 05:38.00 | Nurbs | .oO( some others aren't fixed after 6+ years, still, though ) |
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| 05:38.13 | Gnea | other than that, been smoke-free for about 8 months now |
| 05:38.15 | deadcat | Gnea: then you didnt quit. quit is you stop.. |
| 05:38.23 | sanxiyn | !dinstall |
| 05:38.24 | dpkg | dinstall is, like, the Incoming queue processor that runs on master daily - It's !dinstall until the next dinstall run, or obsolete. katie has replaced it. |
| 05:38.33 | sanxiyn | Eh, that factoid is confusing. |
| 05:38.37 | Gnea | deadcat: yeah well, i was hanging around someone who wanted to quit but wouldn't |
| 05:38.38 | Nurbs | !katie |
| 05:38.38 | dpkg | methinks katie is who I seek to emulate, or the daemon in the Debian archive system that processes new packages and inserts them into the archive. It runs at 1952 UTC daily. the women.kde.org mascot, or 166.82.1.7 |
| 05:38.38 | sanxiyn | Should link to http://people.debian.org/~joerg/dinstall.html |
| 05:38.49 | Nurbs | uhm |
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| 05:39.01 | Nurbs | wth. |
| 05:39.08 | deadcat | Gnea: ya. those guys will suck you back into smoking |
| 05:39.13 | Gnea | Nurbs: that's awesome. |
| 05:39.23 | Gnea | deadcat: fuck that shit. |
| 05:39.27 | Gnea | :) |
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| 05:39.34 | deadcat | hehe |
| 05:39.37 | Nurbs | .oO( why is the KDE Women page blue? ) |
| 05:39.50 | deadcat | dont know |
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| 05:39.55 | sanxiyn | Nurbs: All things KDE blue. |
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| 05:40.31 | sanxiyn | Nurbs: Compare, http://accessibility.kde.org/ |
| 05:40.37 | sanxiyn | You see the pattern... |
| 05:41.05 | Gnea | because someone actually did a very nice job of writing it, and in the process, added a blue hash to the CSS |
| 05:41.41 | Gnea | or because someone just ripped it off |
| 05:41.42 | Gnea | :) |
| 05:42.14 | Nurbs | sanxiyn: but isn't that sexist? forcing the male color upon them? |
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| 05:42.24 | Nurbs | enough of that friday morning trolling... |
| 05:42.25 | sanxiyn | Nurbs: Is blue "male color"? |
| 05:42.30 | sanxiyn | ... |
| 05:43.22 | Phated | Heh. |
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| 05:44.13 | sanxiyn | Nurbs: Is Debian female for having a red swirl logo? :-) |
| 05:44.28 | tvn | red is male |
| 05:44.36 | sanxiyn | Oh, anyway. |
| 05:44.37 | Gnea | Nurbs: it's sexist if you mention it. |
| 05:45.04 | guru | for some reason my wireless interface is called "eth1" instead of "wlan0"...how do i rename this? |
| 05:45.17 | Gnea | guru: utilize the right driver |
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| 05:45.31 | guru | Gnea: i'm using prism2_cs |
| 05:45.35 | Gnea | !wlan-ng |
| 05:45.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wlan-ng is Next Generation WLAN - Available at ftp://ftp.linux-wlan.org/pub/linux-wlan-ng/ |
| 05:45.47 | Gnea | guru: yeah, that's just standard - you want wlan-ng |
| 05:45.51 | guru | ahh ok |
| 05:46.15 | Gnea | :) |
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| 05:46.21 | guru | thank you much |
| 05:46.22 | dli | something in kernel options causes ntp-client to show big noises? plus/minus seconds |
| 05:46.35 | Gnea | np |
| 05:46.49 | Gnea | dli: does it? |
| 05:46.56 | deadcat | !compile wlan-ng |
| 05:46.57 | dpkg | methinks compile wlan-ng is reply "1) apt-get install build-essential kernel-headers-`uname -r` 2) cd /lib/modules/`uname -r` ln -s /usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r` source && ln -s /usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r` build 3) download linux-wlan-ng-xxx.tar.gz, untar it, cd to it, make config, make all, make install, update-modules" |
| 05:47.09 | guru | Gnea: after installed modprobe wlan_ng? |
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| 05:47.17 | dli | Gnea: this weird behavior has been my headache for long |
| 05:47.22 | deadcat | prism2_cs is the module name |
| 05:47.34 | guru | deadcat: ok, that module is already loaded |
| 05:47.38 | Gnea | guru: isn't not wlan_ng, go read |
| 05:47.39 | dli | Gnea, it happens to some of my SMP nodes (not to all smp nodes) |
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| 05:47.52 | Gnea | dli: stock kernels or customized? |
| 05:47.54 | liable | guru: whats wrong with eth1 anyway? |
| 05:47.55 | dli | deadcat, I'm still struggling with my ntp :( |
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| 05:48.04 | deadcat | dli: goddamn )= |
| 05:48.06 | dli | Gnea, customized |
| 05:48.16 | Gnea | dli: 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 05:48.24 | dli | Gnea, 2.4 |
| 05:48.29 | Gnea | dli: why not 2.6? |
| 05:48.34 | dli | Gnea, I'm running openmosix |
| 05:49.27 | Gnea | dli: ah ok, i've never used that.. well, put your .config somewhere maybe it's just something silly |
| 05:49.41 | dli | Gnea, one moment |
| 05:49.44 | Gnea | k |
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| 05:51.48 | guru | Gnea: thanks for the RTFM slap, everything is good to go now |
| 05:51.52 | guru | :) |
| 05:52.00 | dli | Gnea: http://riz-sage.uchicago.edu/config |
| 05:52.01 | Gnea | guru: anytime :) |
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| 05:52.24 | guru | ok, bedtime. night everyone :) |
| 05:53.41 | mlewis00 | I'm trying to enable the bootlogd in Debian Sarge, kernel version 2.6.8-2-686...I set /etc/default/bootlogd BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes but there is no /var/log/boot file upon restart...do I need to enable something else besides the /etc/default/bootlogd? |
| 05:54.12 | cheal | mlewis00: check for errors in dmesg |
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| 05:54.53 | mlewis00 | cheal: OK, brb... |
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| 05:58.05 | mlewis00 | cheal: I don't see anything that would effect the bootlogd...just two ACPI errors that have always been there and that I tought were related to tests for hardware capabilities that are not present. |
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| 05:58.40 | kuroaisu | Is there a way to get apt-get or dpkg to rewrite configuration files for apache? I removed all the apache packages and deleted /etc/apache, thinking that apt-get install apache would rewrite the configs, but, no dice. I'm missing a few |
| 05:58.49 | valdyn | !confmiss |
| 05:58.49 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 05:58.51 | valdyn | kuroaisu: ^^^ |
| 05:59.05 | kuroaisu | valdyn: thanks. |
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| 05:59.35 | BartVB | dpkg really is smart. Damn |
| 05:59.35 | dpkg | ...but really is already something else... |
| 05:59.41 | valdyn | kuroaisu: alternatively, purging then installing does it too |
| 05:59.44 | jair_11 | guys I have like 512 mb ram and 60GB HD how much space i should allow for squid to cache web sites in my sarge stable server? |
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| 05:59.51 | Gnea | !really |
| 05:59.51 | dpkg | yes, gnea |
| 06:00.00 | cheal | mlewis00: in particular, check for #258290 |
| 06:00.10 | Gnea | jair_11: how many users gonna pound on it? |
| 06:00.10 | dli | dpkg is not stupid at all |
| 06:00.31 | kuroaisu | valdyn: purging? I'm unfamiliar. |
| 06:00.38 | valdyn | jair_11: up to you, however since squid by default doesnt even cache large files, the space doesnt need to be that large |
| 06:00.40 | jair_11 | Gnea, simultaneosly, around 65 |
| 06:00.46 | jair_11 | 65 users |
| 06:01.09 | valdyn | kuroaisu: that is dpkg --purge <package> or apt-get remove --purge <package> |
| 06:01.10 | cookiecaper | I need to configure Samba to let me log in. The utility from KDE isn't working; when I try to go to Administrator Mode, it just loads the contents page again, and then it wants to log in to Adminstrator again. How do I configure Samba? |
| 06:01.21 | jair_11 | valdyn, right I heard that the space need to leave a free minimun space of 100MB |
| 06:01.23 | kuroaisu | valdyn: thanks. |
| 06:01.28 | valdyn | kuroaisu: removing without purge leaves config files there |
| 06:01.29 | dli | Gnea, any idea :( |
| 06:01.36 | Gnea | jair_11: i would say give /var 30gigs, and run a cron script to flush the caches (maybe back them up if necessary) every few days |
| 06:01.41 | jair_11 | Gnea, do you have any idea? |
| 06:01.45 | mlewis00 | cheal: Not there... |
| 06:01.46 | jair_11 | ok |
| 06:01.53 | fooz | 30 gigs is awful big |
| 06:02.03 | Gnea | fooz: so's 65 users. |
| 06:02.05 | valdyn | kuroaisu: ( if you removed config files by hand that is respected as your custom config modification... just like any other modification |
| 06:02.07 | jair_11 | Gnea, back them up? you mean the logs? |
| 06:02.08 | fooz | not really |
| 06:02.33 | Gnea | fooz: not really? you've never seen google maps eat up drive space on a transparent proxy via squid for just 1 user then. |
| 06:02.53 | fooz | you're right, I haven't :) |
| 06:02.56 | Gnea | :) |
| 06:02.56 | cheal | mlewis00: no idea then |
| 06:02.58 | jair_11 | Gnea, I am configuring also a server samba share file server stand alone. but I would like to have a solution for back up automated dayly or monthly I heard about cron and rsync? |
| 06:03.05 | jair_11 | tar |
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| 06:03.07 | Gnea | jair_11: you're going to run into problems, one way or another |
| 06:03.16 | jair_11 | Gnea, why? |
| 06:03.22 | Gnea | jair_11: yeah, rsync is perfect for that |
| 06:03.31 | valdyn | jair_11: dirvish does backups, via cron, using rsync / ssh |
| 06:03.34 | fooz | anyway, why /var? make a separate partition for squid.. unless you like a cache that big sharing its filesystem with dpkg |
| 06:03.39 | jair_11 | but to make it monthly automated I will need cron right? |
| 06:03.48 | jair_11 | valdyn, nice |
| 06:03.50 | valdyn | jair_11: ( without you having to write your own scripts.. ) |
| 06:03.56 | Gnea | jair_11: do this: install squid as a transparent proxy server, then go use googlemaps at full magnification over los angeles for an hour so, then go look at the squid usage. |
| 06:04.06 | Gnea | :) |
| 06:04.09 | jair_11 | I am looking for something like that ;) |
| 06:04.12 | Gnea | now |
| 06:04.15 | Gnea | take that amount |
| 06:04.28 | jair_11 | ok |
| 06:04.29 | Gnea | and multiply it by, say, 10 users doing the same thing at once. |
| 06:04.31 | dli | Gnea, is "rsync -aqrut" a good idea for backup? |
| 06:04.49 | kuroaisu | valdyn: much thanks, parfait! |
| 06:04.50 | mlewis00 | cheal: Hmmm, well, thanks anyway...I'm going to try something that I thought looked like the problem but I thought I'd check to see if anyone knew of a problem with this before I edit the /etc/init.d/bootlogd script. |
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| 06:05.03 | Gnea | dli: rsync -zavue ssh <-- if you setup ssh auth keys, no sweat. |
| 06:05.05 | jair_11 | Gnea, hahahah wow that is a good method, but even if I have a huge amount of HD I need huge memory too. |
| 06:05.25 | jair_11 | Gnea, otherwise my web proxy server will be slow |
| 06:05.28 | stylish | how do i take out hardware detection on my debian init |
| 06:05.31 | stylish | my box |
| 06:05.33 | Gnea | jair_11: 512 can handle it - are you running any db servers? |
| 06:05.39 | stylish | Linux S0106000cf1728bac 2.6.12-internode #3 Fri Nov 4 05:40:24 PST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 06:05.49 | deadcat | stylish: debian dont have hardware detection |
| 06:05.49 | mlewis00 | cheal: I'll let you know if what I think is wrong works as if it does I would think it is a bug in the script...bbl |
| 06:05.52 | fooz | most users won't be using google maps for an hour at once |
| 06:05.52 | dli | Gnea, no z, 100 Mbps, no v, it's in cron, what's e? |
| 06:05.59 | fooz | it depends on the sort of users, though |
| 06:05.59 | liable | discover? |
| 06:06.06 | Gnea | jair_11: nah, my server only has 512 and i've done it - the only bottleneck was when i actually ran out of space on /var once :) |
| 06:06.08 | stylish | deadcat : its called hotplug |
| 06:06.13 | valdyn | stylish: remove hotplug, remove discover and discover1. However you kernel will do 'hardware detection' for any hardware driver compiled into it too. |
| 06:06.20 | deadcat | stylish: thats not hardware detection |
| 06:06.24 | deadcat | stylish: then remove hotplug |
| 06:06.30 | cheal | mlewis00: hum, OK...but I don't know much about sysvinit :) |
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| 06:07.25 | Gnea | jair_11: all you need is a script that runs once a day or once every few days and does something like this: /etc/init.d/squid stop && cd /var/spool/squid && rm -rf 0* && /usr/sbin/squid -z && cd ~ && /etc/init.d/squid start |
| 06:07.48 | valdyn | stylish: why do you think you want to remove hardware 'detection' anyway? |
| 06:07.55 | Gnea | jair_11: tweaking squid.conf heavily helps too |
| 06:08.12 | mlewis00 | cheal: No problem, me either but the script looks like it has a bu in the ocmmand line that it passes to the bootlogd...not sure, though...I'm no expert either :) |
| 06:09.29 | dli | should I enable unsynced TOS support in kernel? |
| 06:09.51 | valdyn | dli: if you have to ask that, probably not. Why use a custom kernel anyway? |
| 06:10.02 | dli | valdyn, openmosix :( |
| 06:10.28 | kuroaisu | second problem.. the one which caused me to cause the first. :) I have apache and php4 installed, and when loading a php file in a browser, the file isn't being parsed. The AddType definitions for php4 have been enabled, and Ive' done this before and don't remember running into this. purging and resinstalling apache and php4 gave the same result. |
| 06:10.31 | Gnea | dli: i'm still checking it out... |
| 06:10.45 | kuroaisu | where should I start? |
| 06:10.47 | valdyn | dli: it doesnt hurt to compile all kinds of networking options in, as long as they're in as modules. |
| 06:10.50 | dli | Gnea, I'm also trying to go through again :( |
| 06:11.16 | dli | valdyn, this is not in networking :( |
| 06:11.26 | valdyn | dli: sure TOS is networking |
| 06:11.41 | valdyn | dli: or am i confused? |
| 06:11.47 | dli | valdyn, it's under "Processor" |
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| 06:12.03 | Gnea | valdyn: TOS is a networking extension, but it may interfere with openmosix operations... checking |
| 06:12.07 | dli | valdyn, CONFIG_X86_TSC_DISABLE: |
| 06:12.08 | Gnea | deadcat: slim compiled |
| 06:12.11 | Gnea | deadcat: on x86 |
| 06:12.22 | jair_11 | Gnea, ok so you are recomending me 512 MB of ram |
| 06:12.31 | jair_11 | sorry MB space |
| 06:12.37 | jair_11 | for caching |
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| 06:12.52 | jair_11 | Gnea, and that is if I am not using mysql. |
| 06:13.07 | jair_11 | valdyn, I am more inteersted in the tool you told me about backup |
| 06:13.11 | Gnea | jair_11: no, 512 megs of ram is fine for the system - anymore is simply a bonus. at *least* 30 gigs for /var (which is where the cache is kept) |
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| 06:13.18 | valdyn | jair_11: apt-cache show dirvish |
| 06:13.22 | jair_11 | valdyn, you can set up, schedule automatic back ups? |
| 06:13.38 | dli | Gnea, why should I keep /var a partition? |
| 06:13.39 | Gnea | jair_11: oh, that's just rsync+ssh - just install both and man rsync, the options are fully explained |
| 06:13.54 | jair_11 | Gnea, ohh nice |
| 06:14.00 | jair_11 | I have both options cool |
| 06:14.04 | Gnea | dli: security, easier to maintain |
| 06:14.11 | Gnea | :) |
| 06:14.32 | Gnea | jair_11: that combo works flawlessly on production servers |
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| 06:14.36 | valdyn | jair_11: cron job is included |
| 06:15.16 | Gnea | jair_11: i usually go a bit overboard and do all sorts of stuff, like having it email which files were upgraded and how much drive space is left on each slice ;) |
| 06:15.39 | valdyn | jair_11: the advantage of dirvish really isnt backing up though ( since that is quite easy w/ plain rsync and a custom cron job ), but expiring backups |
| 06:16.05 | dli | Gnea is that possible? I need iSA in kernel? |
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| 06:17.37 | jair_11 | valdyn, Gnea but this is great I was thinking in how i will do after change all my servers to Linux and samba for the share file, to back up the info. |
| 06:18.17 | jair_11 | valdyn, then the advantage is the expiring backups? |
| 06:18.30 | Gnea | jair_11: samba rocks - do yourself a favor and install swat while you're at it ;) |
| 06:18.39 | jair_11 | valdyn, that you can tell the system do this kind of backup until this "" day |
| 06:19.01 | jair_11 | Gnea, sorry but I prefer all the text editing I do not like swat. |
| 06:19.09 | jair_11 | SWAT is insecure |
| 06:19.24 | Gnea | jair_11: only if you allow it to be. |
| 06:19.32 | dvsdude | Gnea, why not go all the way and install webmin not |
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| 06:19.42 | Gnea | dvsdude: been there, done that :) |
| 06:20.01 | Gnea | securely, with no breakin attempts |
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| 06:21.23 | Gnea | whatever works for ya |
| 06:21.26 | Gnea | i used to do that |
| 06:21.39 | Gnea | until i wanted samba to do things that the manual just couldn't explain right |
| 06:21.46 | dvsdude | :-) |
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| 06:22.46 | Gnea | it was embarrassing enough once to have windows oust my linux desktop setup, but to have a win2k server oust my samba setup? :P |
| 06:24.08 | jair_11 | hahaha |
| 06:24.19 | jair_11 | samba is very complex that is why I like it |
| 06:24.21 | jair_11 | :) |
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| 06:26.07 | jair_11 | Gnea, so I should leave 512 MB of space for the cache? |
| 06:26.18 | Jackel | Small problem , it seem' |
| 06:26.27 | Jackel | oop's |
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| 06:27.13 | Gnea | jair_11: you're not understanding - squid uses hard drive space to deal with the cache - squid will only launch a certain number of sub-daemons which will only eat up a certain amount of ram - it's all configurable. |
| 06:27.28 | Jackel | Small problem , it seem's that everytime i reboot the address to my NIC keep's changing back to 192.168.0.3 , even after i manually change it to 192.168.0.2 with ifconfig eth0 <the address> , anyone know why this is? |
| 06:28.09 | dvsdude | Jackel, /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 06:28.35 | Jackel | you mean |
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| 06:28.37 | Jackel | network |
| 06:28.58 | jair_11 | Gnea, ohh ok, so then I just have to be concern about the amount of space I have in my /var |
| 06:29.07 | dvsdude | Jackel, soz yes |
| 06:29.19 | Jackel | dvsdude: im not 100% what im supose to do here :p |
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| 06:29.50 | dvsdude | Jackel, the /etc/network/interfaces file is were you specify ip address etc man interfaces |
| 06:29.54 | Gnea | dli: might want to enable equal cost multipath, the rest of the netfilter options, and if you're going to utilize TOS, you might as well turn on all of the QoS options as well |
| 06:30.25 | Jackel | should there not be a default address in here? |
| 06:30.35 | dvsdude | jair_11, leave at least 1 - 2 gb for squid cache |
| 06:30.59 | dvsdude | Jackel, yes there should be the static address or auto |
| 06:31.15 | Jackel | right , theres auto lo and auto eth0 |
| 06:31.32 | Jackel | i don't see static |
| 06:31.37 | dvsdude | Jackel, you need to set the ip static on eth0 see man interfaces |
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| 06:31.57 | Jackel | dvsdude, alright thank's for your time |
| 06:32.30 | dli | Gnea: still consider, it doesn't happen to all smp machines, with the same kernel config :( |
| 06:32.36 | dvsdude | Jackel, np there should be an example when you man interfaces for static ip setup |
| 06:33.15 | Jackel | dvsdude, im reading now. Thank's |
| 06:33.15 | Gnea | dli: there isn't a 2.6 port of openmosix? |
| 06:33.35 | dli | Gnea, no, the current stable release is almost 1 year old :( |
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| 06:33.59 | Gnea | dli: then i would abandon it and look for something that's actively developed |
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| 06:34.20 | dli | Gnea, I don't really find anything similar to openmosix :( |
| 06:34.25 | dvsdude | Jackel, np :-) |
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| 06:35.04 | jakenl | What's up? |
| 06:35.12 | meandi | hi, i have a question not connected to debian, i tried in #solaris, #opensolaris, and no one answered, maybe here you'll be able to help, hello i have installed solaris 10, after the installation process has finished, and the computer did reboot, i had a problem with the boot process, a message :"bad pbr sig" were showed, and when i hit the enter key it said, "no active partition" although the |
| 06:35.45 | meandi | although the solaris partition were active :|, does someone knows? :\ |
| 06:35.54 | jair_11 | dvsdude, have you heard about smoothwall? |
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| 06:36.10 | dvsdude | jair_11, yes yes it |
| 06:36.13 | jair_11 | dvsdude, I know i will be using it now as emergency but I am learning iptables now. |
| 06:36.24 | Gnea | dli: perhaps you haven't done enough research then |
| 06:36.41 | jair_11 | dvsdude, my goal is learn ip tables and make my own debian firewall. |
| 06:36.53 | dvsdude | jair_11, cool |
| 06:37.00 | dli | Gnea, yes, there's openpbs, but that doesn't replace openmosix :( |
| 06:37.13 | jair_11 | dvsdude, so if I have like 60 GB 2 GB for the cache of proxy server will be ok |
| 06:37.25 | dli | Gnea: openMP, it confuses me from the very beginning |
| 06:37.45 | jair_11 | valdyn, I saw the guide how to for the debian and dirvish |
| 06:37.46 | Gnea | dli: is openMP actively developed and can it meet the requirements of your cluster? |
| 06:37.59 | jair_11 | valdyn, the different you are saying in the expiring backups |
| 06:38.20 | dvsdude | jair_11, you can have as much as you want u should find that 2Gb will be fine i have proxy set up for upto 200 users we get by |
| 06:38.36 | dli | Gnea, openmosix is good because it's transparent to users :( |
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| 06:39.00 | jair_11 | dvsdude, cool, the computer you have how much memory have? |
| 06:39.06 | FarrisG | I have a dual opteron machine with a Tyan S2881 motherboard. Both onboard 1000Mbit NICs are broadcom 5704, and there's no module available for it in debian 2.6.11 kernels. I'm running 2.6.11-9-amd64-k8-smp. Is there any way to get a module on this box that will drive those onboard NICs without using a custom kernel? |
| 06:39.15 | dli | Gnea: last year, #debian said openmosix was a joke :( |
| 06:39.15 | FarrisG | If not, what do I need to build into my custom kernel to get the job done, as I've tried grabbing vanilla 2.6.11.9 source and adding the broadcom module to the debian .config? |
| 06:39.21 | dvsdude | only 512mb |
| 06:39.23 | jair_11 | dvsdude, this cache transparent really helps your network connection speed? |
| 06:39.39 | jair_11 | dvsdude, perfect |
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| 06:39.45 | Blonde_20 | hello |
| 06:39.47 | Blonde_20 | urx |
| 06:39.48 | Gnea | dli: any project that's abandonware *is* a joke. vtun, for instance |
| 06:39.57 | Blonde_20 | urx priv |
| 06:40.08 | dvsdude | jair_11, yep |
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| 06:40.20 | jair_11 | dvsdude, did you notice any benefit? like in your network connection bandwidth? |
| 06:40.21 | diana | checking for glib-2.0... Package glib-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `glib-2.0.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable No package 'glib-2.0' found |
| 06:40.25 | diana | configure: error: Library requirements (glib-2.0) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them. |
| 06:40.36 | jair_11 | dvsdude, cool do you have debian servers? and the back up ? |
| 06:40.41 | dli | Gnea, I think openmosix is not abondoned, but somehow, they were very ambitious about 2.6, then, couldn't make it work |
| 06:40.42 | jair_11 | do you have a back up system? |
| 06:40.59 | dli | Gnea, now, they could keep their 2.4 updated |
| 06:41.00 | dvsdude | rync |
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| 06:41.08 | diana | How do I not get this error when I do ./configure? |
| 06:41.09 | jair_11 | dvsdude, I am thinking on implement dirvish, but I want to learn cron, rsync, tar. |
| 06:41.11 | Blonde_20 | www.stanly.com.ar |
| 06:41.23 | jair_11 | dvsdude, can you make it automatic? |
| 06:41.30 | jair_11 | do you ahve any example? |
| 06:41.41 | Gnea | !troll Blonde_20 |
| 06:41.59 | jair_11 | dvsdude, i have a debian machine with about 5,000.000GB |
| 06:42.02 | Gnea | !ops Blonde_20 is a virus spreading troll |
| 06:42.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: Blonde_20 is a virus spreading troll |
| 06:42.08 | jair_11 | dvsdude, 2 GD 250 GB |
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| 06:42.22 | jair_11 | 2x250 GB HD |
| 06:42.29 | dvsdude | nice :-) |
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| 06:42.53 | jair_11 | dvsdude, do you use tapes? |
| 06:43.20 | jair_11 | I have some old tapes here but I think it is not as fast as put it in another machine with a hard drive just for backup. |
| 06:43.36 | jair_11 | or an external HD connected or mounted to a linux server |
| 06:43.48 | jair_11 | formated in FAT32 vfat |
| 06:44.15 | Gnea | hrm, if wine ran that nasti.exe... |
| 06:44.21 | Gnea | udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:34406 0.0.0.0:* 9677/wine-preloader |
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| 06:44.40 | jair_11 | bbl |
| 06:44.49 | Blonde_19 | Lol |
| 06:45.01 | liable | what an asshole |
| 06:45.11 | Gnea | Blonde_19: you are dead. |
| 06:45.25 | dvsdude | jair_11, yes have tape but tape in m$ box we run rsync disc to disk then do a tape backup as well |
| 06:45.41 | jair_11 | dvsdude, ohh ok |
| 06:45.53 | jair_11 | the machine that have the tape driver is a windows machine too. |
| 06:45.57 | Blonde_19 | Its on foiler thhere |
| 06:46.04 | jair_11 | so i am thinking in how I will do it |
| 06:46.07 | Blonde_19 | [Gnea] |
| 06:46.11 | jair_11 | ok |
| 06:46.11 | Blonde_19 | Its on foiler thhere |
| 06:46.12 | jair_11 | cool |
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| 06:46.19 | liable | wtf? |
| 06:46.22 | stylish | dood debian rocks |
| 06:46.24 | jair_11 | dvsdude, thank you for your help though |
| 06:46.29 | dvsdude | np |
| 06:46.36 | jair_11 | I will go to bed |
| 06:46.40 | jair_11 | take care |
| 06:46.41 | jair_11 | guys |
| 06:46.51 | Blonde_19 | Take care? |
| 06:46.58 | liable | Blonde_19: go away |
| 06:47.06 | Blonde_19 | Ok |
| 06:47.14 | jair_11 | debian rocks yes it rocks like slipknot :) |
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| 06:47.45 | Blonde_19 | [Blonde_20] dile que nois chupe la cageta |
| 06:47.56 | ke6isf | !ops Blonde_19 |
| 06:47.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: Blonde_19 |
| 06:48.13 | Blonde_19 | Charles |
| 06:48.22 | Blonde_19 | In formitian |
| 06:48.33 | Gnea | !ops Blonde_19 and Blonde_20 are the same, from different IP's, that spread viruses / trojans and flood the channel |
| 06:48.34 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: Blonde_19 and Blonde_20 are the same, from different IP's, that spread viruses / trojans and flood the channel |
| 06:48.36 | streuner | DONT HIT THE ENTER BUTTON TOO MUCH! |
| 06:48.45 | Blonde_20 | [Blonde_19] jajajajajajajajajjajajajaaj xD |
| 06:48.51 | Blonde_19 | Jajajajaa |
| 06:48.52 | Blonde_19 | xD |
| 06:48.56 | Blonde_19 | Mangas de carneros |
| 06:48.57 | ke6isf | !beer Gnea |
| 06:48.59 | Blonde_19 | Todos |
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| 06:49.11 | Gnea | ke6isf: cheers |
| 06:49.23 | ke6isf | Gnea: *clink!* |
| 06:49.31 | Gnea | one down |
| 06:49.45 | dli | Gnea: I'm waiting to see how the new kernel runs, with isa on, equal multicast on |
| 06:50.00 | Blonde_19 | [Gnea] |
| 06:50.01 | Blonde_19 | Excuse have algun virus you? |
| 06:50.44 | Blonde_19 | Lol |
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| 06:51.26 | Gnea | Blonde_19: yes, you. |
| 06:51.30 | Gnea | ROFL |
| 06:52.02 | Blonde_19 | Clear that we have and in amounts |
| 06:52.06 | Blonde_19 | [Gnea] |
| 06:52.13 | dli | Gnea, looks fine now |
| 06:52.18 | streuner | Don't feed trolls |
| 06:52.21 | Gnea | dli: oh yeah? |
| 06:52.39 | dli | Gnea, but which part? since I changed too many :( |
| 06:52.54 | Blonde_19 | [Gnea] that version has ustdes? |
| 06:53.07 | Gnea | dli: could be one or all - so as long as it's working, cool :) |
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| 06:53.09 | dli | Gnea: no, it doesn't work :( |
| 06:53.24 | Gnea | dli: oooh.. well you said it looked fine.. |
| 06:53.25 | diana | checking for glib-2.0... Package glib-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `glib-2.0.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable No package 'glib-2.0' found |
| 06:53.27 | Blonde_19 | [Gnea] that types of bot |
| 06:53.29 | diana | configure: error: Library requirements (glib-2.0) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them. |
| 06:53.29 | dli | Gnea: again, the "jitter" in ntpq -p goes up to 1000 |
| 06:53.33 | diana | What package does ./configure want? |
| 06:53.48 | dli | Gnea: it was "0.5", then, 1000 |
| 06:53.57 | jm_ | diana: obviously glib 2.0 development |
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| 06:54.09 | Blonde_19 | Bye |
| 06:54.12 | diana | ahh the dev one |
| 06:54.14 | Blonde_19 | Los dejos chikos |
| 06:54.18 | Blonde_19 | Bye bye |
| 06:54.19 | Gnea | diana: you need to install the -dev package of that lib |
| 06:54.20 | dli | Gnea: with the "filter offset" at -1000 |
| 06:54.30 | Gnea | dli: k, that's beyond me now :) |
| 06:54.56 | FarrisG | I have an 80gig drive with a 38G ext3 partition containing an entire / filesystem. The rest of the drive is unallocated. How can I create an image of the / parition on the unused space, and what would be the quickest way to restore from that image to the first partition in the future? |
| 06:54.56 | dli | Gnea: could be an unusual mobo bug :( |
| 06:55.10 | Gnea | dli: are they all the same? |
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| 06:55.47 | dli | Gnea: no, but obiviously, newer machines are running fine, while some olders are running into problems |
| 06:56.02 | Gnea | dli: interesting |
| 06:56.03 | travo | hello all...forgive me for its been a while...but where are the .config for the default built debian kernel images to be found? |
| 06:56.06 | dli | Gnea: the mobo is tyan-2466, quite old |
| 06:56.53 | Gnea | dli: not very often that tyan's go to shit :) |
| 06:57.40 | dli | Gnea, which one is good? asus? |
| 06:57.49 | Gnea | dli: i would stick with tyan :) |
| 06:58.01 | jm_ | FarrisG: create another partition, mkfs it, man dd or use one of the tools that can do it (might be better to just tar it) |
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| 06:58.14 | jm_ | travo: ls /boot |
| 06:58.21 | dli | Gnea: I give up now. let some nodes got time jumps every 20 minutes :( |
| 06:58.53 | Gnea | dli: so just install ntpdate on all of 'em and crontab 'em to update every so often |
| 06:58.58 | Antarion | there are not many companies that forget to add a proper microcode update to one of thei bioses, tyan is one of them :p |
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| 06:59.13 | dli | Gnea, the same, ntpdate also sees big noises |
| 06:59.48 | dli | Gnea: always jumps plus\minus 2 seconds, if I just hit "ntpdate" again and again |
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| 07:01.07 | streuner | Zugschlus: moin, waiting for exim-question? :-) |
| 07:01.13 | dli | Gnea: could arpd related? |
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| 07:01.43 | Gnea | dli: you've got to sync them all to run at the same time |
| 07:01.52 | Thanatermesis | mmmh, xine apps* and mplayer cant reproduces VCD ? |
| 07:01.52 | Gnea | dli: using the same time server |
| 07:02.07 | dli | Gnea, indeed, I have two time servers |
| 07:02.11 | Gnea | dli: i would setup a time server on the lan somewhere and feed off of that |
| 07:02.22 | dli | Gnea, of course, the time servers are well synced |
| 07:02.25 | Gnea | dli: how often do they update? |
| 07:03.03 | dli | Gnea, the time servers, very stable, I don't remember seeing any changes from them |
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| 07:04.01 | dli | Gnea: hold on, with the new kernel, with the arpd, it truly works now |
| 07:04.13 | dli | Gnea, +head2 128.135.136.1 4 u 15 64 377 0.165 5.285 4.738 |
| 07:04.23 | dli | Gnea, that's just one line of ntpq -p |
| 07:04.27 | Gnea | dli: like it should? |
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| 07:04.34 | Gnea | hrm |
| 07:04.43 | dli | Gnea, yes, jitters just 5, not 1000 or 2000 |
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| 07:05.07 | dli | Gnea, I think the arpd might be doing something helpful |
| 07:05.20 | dli | Gnea, anyway, nothing would remove some bugs within the mobo |
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| 07:06.59 | Gnea | dli: when's the last time you took a can of compressed air to 'em? ;) |
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| 07:07.47 | dli | Gnea, quite reccently, I replaced hdd and psu and cpus for several of them |
| 07:08.02 | dli | Gnea, no correlation seen here |
| 07:08.37 | Gnea | dli: nod |
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| 07:08.45 | dli | Gnea, really old machines :( athlonMP 2.13G |
| 07:09.17 | mlewis00 | Are bug fixes backported to stable? There is a known bug in sysvint-2.86-ds1-1 that prevents the bootlogd from functioning but the fix is not in stable yet...it was discovered in late September and a patch was available by Oct 1. |
| 07:09.45 | sep | mlewis00, only if it's a security isssue |
| 07:09.56 | chealer | mlewis00, what's the bug's severity? |
| 07:10.42 | Gnea | mlewis00: what's the bug number? |
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| 07:11.30 | stylish | how do you query the contence of a installed package |
| 07:11.34 | mlewis00 | It is bug #327865... |
| 07:11.47 | chealer | mlewis00, well whatever's the severity, a bug that just prevents bootlogd from working isn't a candidate for a fix in stable |
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| 07:12.09 | mlewis00 | chealer: I think it is severity normal... |
| 07:12.16 | littleball | hello, how can i get a dhparam file by using openssl? |
| 07:12.29 | chealer | mlewis00, anything under serious isn't even considered |
| 07:12.57 | Beleys | Bonjour |
| 07:13.00 | pabs3 | mlewis00: specific criteria here: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/05/msg00019.html |
| 07:13.02 | mlewis00 | chealer: Darn, I hate patching packages because then I have to keep track of it in case a security bug fix overwrites it :( |
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| 07:14.04 | sep | mlewis00, that's why you dont wildly apt-get upgrade with a blindfold on :) |
| 07:14.08 | Gnea | !dbugs 327865 |
| 07:14.11 | dpkg | DONE:#327865:N[sysvinit] sysvinit: bootlogd stopped working; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 15:48:05 UTC |
| 07:14.19 | Gnea | mlewis00: what's? |
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| 07:14.22 | Gnea | mlewis00: what? |
| 07:14.30 | Gnea | it says it's done |
| 07:14.56 | mlewis00 | pabl0: Thanks, I'll take a look... |
| 07:15.08 | stylish | how do you query the contence of a installed package |
| 07:15.25 | dondelelcaro | stylish: dpkg -L foopkg |
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| 07:15.58 | Gnea | !beer dondelelcaro |
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| 07:16.13 | mlewis00 | sep: I don't but I still have to keep track of it and rebuild any patched packages that have security updates (unless they are kind enough to include the patch in the update)... |
| 07:16.36 | mlewis00 | Gnea: ?? I didn't understand that... |
| 07:19.18 | stylish | dondelelcaro : thank you |
| 07:19.43 | dondelelcaro | stylish: all of that sort of stuff is covered in the Debian quick reference |
| 07:19.49 | dondelelcaro | !tell stylish about debian reference |
| 07:19.59 | dondelelcaro | stylish: reading it will help you greatly |
| 07:20.33 | mlewis00 | Gnea: Oh, its bug #327865...I posted it but forgot to address it to your nick :) |
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| 07:25.39 | Gnea | mlewis00: observe. |
| 07:25.45 | Gnea | !dbugs 327865 |
| 07:25.48 | dpkg | DONE:#327865:N[sysvinit] sysvinit: bootlogd stopped working; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 15:48:05 UTC |
| 07:25.59 | Gnea | mlewis00: again, what bug? :) |
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| 07:26.56 | mlewis00 | Gnea: I have Sarge and the version of sysvinit that is in sarge is _not_ fixed... |
| 07:28.35 | mlewis00 | Gnea: I guess it won't get fixed according to others because it is only of 'normal' severity :( |
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| 07:31.18 | jm_ | mlewis00: I use bootlogd on Sarge on several machines and it works just fine |
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| 07:33.46 | boot_flop | hi, this debian boots via a floppy that does very little (it's not a loadable boot), it just seems to point to the kernel image - i can't read or copy this floppy, howto create another one for backup? |
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| 07:33.55 | mlewis00 | jm_: Hmm, what version? The bug is supposed to exist from version sysvinit_2.86.ds1-1_i386.deb through version .ds1-3...fixed in .ds1-4... |
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| 07:36.30 | mlewis00 | jm_: I have sysvinit_2.86.ds1-1_i386.deb and the bootlogd just doesn't create the file /var/log/boot...no dmesg errors and no clue (other than the bug report) as to why it doesn't work. |
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| 07:37.35 | Nurbs | jm_: on kernel 2.4? |
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| 07:39.31 | jm_ | mlewis00: 2.86.ds1-1 |
| 07:39.37 | jm_ | Nurbs: both 2.4 and 2.6 |
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| 07:40.40 | jm_ | I'll verify it once again at home where I power on/off machines on daily basis, as opposed to my machine at work |
| 07:40.40 | mlewis00 | jm_: Did you have to do anything other than enable it in /etc/default/bootlogd to get it to work? |
| 07:40.48 | jm_ | mlewis00: nope |
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| 07:41.58 | sep | i want to recive bounced email on the postmaster account. so i have set the notify_classes to include bounces. but now i also recive many smtp transcripts due to postfix-gld, and is there a way i can recive bounces but exclude the postfix-gld and blocklist triggered bounces ? i am especialy interested in reciving spf bounces |
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| 07:42.48 | mlewis00 | jm_: Hmmm, I don't know why it doesn't work here...I have 'BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes' in /etc/default/bootlogd... |
| 07:42.54 | sep | this way now i recive 1 spf bounce.. and about 340 gld /blocklist bounces a day :/ finding the 1 is a pain. since the subject line is identical for all of the bounces |
| 07:43.00 | raj | hi |
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| 07:43.28 | Nurbs | !dbugs 258290 |
| 07:43.31 | dpkg | #258290:M[sysvinit] bootlogd fails to start: ioctl(/dev/ttyzf, TIOCCONS): Bad file descriptor; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 18:33:02 UTC |
| 07:43.46 | Nurbs | mlewis00: possibly that one. basically, bootlogd sucks. ;) |
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| 07:44.11 | sep | and yes i have tried the question in #postfix yesterday. but i think that channel is mostly in another timezone. since they are very active at night and not at all now :) |
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| 07:44.33 | mlewis00 | Nurbs: I used it all of the time in Sarge before and it worked well... |
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| 07:46.36 | mlewis00 | jm_: Were all of your Sarge boxes installed before Sarge became stable? I have a Sarge box that the daemon works on but it was installed almost two years before Sarge became stable...the box it doesn't work on is a fresh install of stable. |
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| 07:48.02 | jm_ | mlewis00: the only issue I found it not working as expected is realted to 289265 |
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| 07:48.14 | jm_ | mlewis00: no, three of them were, one wasn't |
| 07:48.41 | stylish | any gamers here |
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| 07:49.31 | stylish | Linux S0106000cf1728bac 2.6.12-internode #4 Fri Nov 4 06:12:39 PST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 07:49.48 | jm_ | Sadly there's no activity to resolve that bootlogd bug, although I have tracked down where the problem is |
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| 07:50.22 | mlewis00 | jm_: I can't understand it then...I guess I'll just keep digging and try to find out why it doesn't work...I hate to replace my entire sysvinit _and_ the init scripts just because the bootlogd doesn't work...anyway, thanks for the info and help :-) |
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| 07:50.53 | jm_ | mlewis00: can you reproduce it after the system is up and running? |
| 07:51.03 | adrian_ | im new in linux, but i want to learn to use it as best as possible, im reading a lot, but i would like if somebody could give an advice to me, i hate windows and i want to forget it. |
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| 07:52.24 | mlewis00 | jm_: I didn't think of that...I thought the scripts would only work correctly during startup. |
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| 07:52.52 | shayx | 'morning |
| 07:53.08 | jm_ | mlewis00: I didn't think of it either when looking into 289265, but it's worth trying - it's very annoying to fix such problems if they only occur on boot |
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| 07:53.35 | adrian_ | could somebody help me? |
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| 07:53.56 | shayx | adrian_: what about asking the question? |
| 07:54.01 | adrian_ | im new in linux, but i want to learn to use it as best as possible, im reading a lot, but i would like if somebody could give an advice to me, i hate windows and i want to forget it |
| 07:54.19 | shayx | adrian_: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 07:54.26 | ice_1963 | adrian do you have Debian installed yet ? |
| 07:54.38 | adrian_ | yes, im on ubuntu |
| 07:54.48 | shayx | !ubuntu |
| 07:54.48 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 07:54.50 | dli | shayx, I noticed that he already read quite alot :) |
| 07:54.52 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 07:54.53 | adrian_ | but im new |
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| 07:55.51 | Dewi | dpkg, even mark shuttleworth says this is not debian. |
| 07:55.51 | dpkg | ...but even mark shuttleworth says this is already something else... |
| 07:55.56 | ice_1963 | ubuntu is not Debain |
| 07:56.04 | mlewis00 | jm_: Well, I can start and stop the daemon without error from tty1 but it does not create the /var/log/boot file...maybe because there is nothing to write to it? |
| 07:56.24 | adrian_ | i know |
| 07:56.30 | Dewi | adrian_: search for "ubuntu tutorial" or "linux tutorial" |
| 07:56.31 | hxh | hi, I have ivtv0.4 installed on a Debian 3.1 sytem with 2.6 kernel and PVR 500 MCE cards. When I try something as simple as cat /dev/video2 > 2.mpg the system crashes without any information in the syslog. Don't know how to identify the problem . Any advice ? |
| 07:56.34 | adrian_ | thanks |
| 07:56.46 | Dewi | adrian_: and just take things one step at a time |
| 07:57.13 | shayx | adrian_: see, hxh did an intelligent question\ |
| 07:57.40 | peterS | shayx: not that it'll necessarily help him. pretty specialised knowledge is required |
| 07:57.51 | shayx | indeed |
| 07:57.54 | jm_ | mlewis00: but you don't get failed message? |
| 07:58.00 | shayx | hxh: maybe you should try #kernel or something |
| 07:58.10 | adrian_ | thanks Dewi, so i need to read tutorials , that's only solution |
| 07:58.20 | shayx | also, check if there's an v4l channel |
| 07:58.22 | Dewi | adrian_: unless you have an actual question, yes |
| 07:58.30 | hxh | shayx: will do , thanks for the advice |
| 07:58.34 | shayx | np |
| 07:58.35 | mlewis00 | jm_: No... |
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| 07:58.42 | peterS | ice_1963: ubuntu is not debain, indeed, but then again, even debian is not debain |
| 07:58.50 | Phated | Heh. |
| 07:58.58 | berzerka | hello guys. i am looking for a download manager for linux. most importantly, i want the ability to queue a list of files and preferrably be able to conveniently add them to the list immediately from inside my browser (firefox). suggestions please. |
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| 07:59.07 | peterS | hmmm. Phated lost her f. |
| 07:59.14 | Dewi | again. |
| 07:59.34 | jm_ | mlewis00: well just have something write to /dev/console |
| 07:59.35 | Dewi | Phated: losing your F once seems like misfortune, but losing it so many times might be interpreted as carelessness. |
| 07:59.48 | peterS | berzerka: "apt-cache search download manager" actually has a few promising hits |
| 07:59.52 | adrian_ | difference beetween ubuntu and debian is not so different ;) |
| 07:59.58 | peterS | Dewi: now now. cite your source. |
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| 08:00.10 | Dewi | peterS: uhhh...... Oscar Wilde? |
| 08:00.16 | Phated | Heh. No, I'm using my h now because... uhm... I'm not arsed to launch my other client. :) |
| 08:00.19 | peterS | right. "The Importance of Being Earnest" |
| 08:00.26 | Dewi | peterS: I was right? that's pretty funny |
| 08:00.35 | cookiecaper | I'm trying to set up a 32-bit chroot within my 64-bit system and it works alright, but I don't know how to get my other partitions on (/dev/hda1 and /dev/sda1). I've tried mounting and binding /mnt to the chroot as is done with other directories in the HOWTO, but it doesn't work. |
| 08:00.36 | Phated | Ooh, I enjoyed the film. |
| 08:00.43 | berzerka | hey, thanks peterS. |
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| 08:01.40 | peterS | Dewi: "To lose one parent may be regarded as misfortune; to lose both seems like carelessness" - paraphrased. spoken by Lady Braxnell (sp?) to Jack |
| 08:01.46 | Phated | Indeed. |
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| 08:02.21 | mlewis00 | jm_: I started the daemon and then did cat /var/log/dmesg > /dev/console and then stopped the daemon...nothing in /var/log/boot... |
| 08:02.22 | Dewi | peterS: I only said Oscar Wilde because I was pretty sure uncyclopedia would back me up. Not because I thought it would be. But on reflection it is his kind of thing. |
| 08:02.42 | peterS | Dewi: heh. that's probably my favorite play. I used to have a good chunk of it memorized. I probably don't anymore |
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| 08:03.43 | jm_ | mlewis00: is it running at all? |
| 08:03.53 | Dewi | peterS: the only Oscar Wilde dialogue I remember is the stuff from that play *about* him |
| 08:04.03 | Dewi | peterS: which my brother (an actor) did an audition of... |
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| 08:04.20 | peterS | Dewi: oh, I don't know that one |
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| 08:04.29 | ChristianP | hi all |
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| 08:05.00 | peterS | Dewi: hmm, "Importance of Being Earnest" should be public domain by now, I'm pretty sure it was written before 1923. so Project Gutenberg probably has it. it's a great read |
| 08:05.34 | mlewis00 | jm_: Yes, but I think it is looking for a special console device to monitor because when I try to run it from an xterm it says 'Starting Bootlog daemon: bootlogd: cannot find console device 136:10 in /dev', although it does run from tty1 without any error mesages. |
| 08:05.42 | Dewi | peterS: yeah, I saw it really cheap while on holiday a while ago, but had to rush off without buying it. |
| 08:05.42 | quux_ | hello, for the past day i have been trying to get a duel head monitor set up on sarge. i have done it before in xorg under another distrubtion, i have got one screen runnin g and the other one is 100% full of artifacts and in what seems to be mirror mode as some times i can see a block move wher a mouse would. i seems also as though its out of sync range as there are three "block" mouses moving for my one problem being is both my moniters |
| 08:05.43 | quux_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:05.55 | ChristianP | i make a dist-upgrade, and now my sound system doesn't work. Once i had multimedia selector, but now (Gnome 2.10.2) i can't find it. Where can i find it? |
| 08:05.56 | peterS | Dewi: sure enough, google loves it: http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/844 |
| 08:05.58 | Dewi | peterS: my brother might own it, however. I'll have to read it. |
| 08:06.09 | jm_ | mlewis00: yeah, man page explains how it tries to find it |
| 08:06.15 | mlewis00 | jm_: And ps -A shows it as running... |
| 08:06.25 | Dewi | peterS: I'm sure I have the gutenberg copy but I lack a PDA or something to read it comfortably from |
| 08:06.30 | peterS | heh |
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| 08:07.58 | jm_ | mlewis00: so that may be why it doesn't log anything, I suppose the only real way to debug it is at boot |
| 08:08.22 | softmoo | \\\ |
| 08:09.22 | atrus | anybody have suggestions on converting and non-interactive swf into a regular movie, like an mpg or ogg-theora? |
| 08:09.35 | mlewis00 | jm_: And that that isn't too easy since I am not accustomed to gdb and qumu, etc...my programming experience is a bit dated (i.e. DOS / Windows 3.1). |
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| 08:10.16 | pabs3 | atrus: iirc, ffmpeg has swf support |
| 08:10.50 | mlewis00 | jm_: s/qumu/qemu/ |
| 08:11.01 | jm_ | mlewis00: ohh should be easy to find the spot where it exits, then it might get a bit harder |
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| 08:11.33 | mlewis00 | jm_: It exits just before the login prompt is displayed... |
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| 08:12.06 | quux_ | >.> |
| 08:12.08 | jm_ | mlewis00: no, I mean the bootlogd process - it normally keeps running until it's stopped, but if it fails, then it exits before it becomes a daemon I suppose |
| 08:12.13 | da_bon_bon | wow! kde 3.4 is in etch ? YAY! |
| 08:12.17 | da_bon_bon | installing debian NOW |
| 08:13.33 | mlewis00 | jm_: Oh, I see...the message about the daemon being stopped is shown just before the login prompt but that doesn't mean that the daemon is actually running :) |
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| 08:14.19 | jm_ | mlewis00: indeed, it will always try to stop it |
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| 08:14.24 | Dewi | peterS: Even though I left to travel down the darkest East End street to smear my mouth against men whose names I never knew, men whom 1 never saw, pressed against walls in the dark, in the rough dark - yet every night I came home and told my children stories of ghosts, of fairies, of monsters and of enchanted lands. |
| 08:14.46 | Dewi | peterS: (david hare's The Judas Kiss, a biographical play about O.W.) |
| 08:15.08 | peterS | cool stuff |
| 08:15.18 | mlewis00 | jm_: Right...and there are numerous places in the source where it could 'exit 0' or 'exit 1', etc. |
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| 08:16.16 | jm_ | mlewis00: yes, you just need a lot of debug message to find the exact location, perhaps some sort of START()/END() macros in each function would be the best approach for initial attempt |
| 08:16.19 | yang | Adding extra IPs to interface must be written into /etc/network/interfaces or? ifconfig eth0 add IP |
| 08:16.20 | jm_ | messages* |
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| 08:18.09 | mlewis00 | jm_: True...I just don't know if I want to get into it that far or not... |
| 08:18.29 | ChristianP | HELP ME: what does it mean: "hda: no DRQ after issuing WRITE" "ide0: reset: success" |
| 08:18.50 | cookiecaper | Sorry, my system locked up. How do I make the drives I've mounted in the 64-bit userland available in a |
| 08:18.55 | cookiecaper | 32-bit chroot |
| 08:18.55 | fatal_ | yang: you can use the "up" statement in /e/n/i .... there's no real support for multiple ip-addresses in /e/n/i. |
| 08:19.02 | kevix | ChristianP, time to get a new harddrive ? |
| 08:19.02 | jm_ | mlewis00: it's always better if someone else fixes it for you, but unfortunatelly this doesn't always happen, and it's not as easy/hard for every person |
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| 08:19.26 | jm_ | ChristianP: do you see any other messages with error= and status= codes? |
| 08:19.48 | ChristianP | kevix, i have just installed (for the first time) sarge on a NEW HP server!!! |
| 08:20.08 | da_bon_bon | is debian lsb compliant .? |
| 08:20.15 | ChristianP | jm_, no error or states messages |
| 08:21.13 | mlewis00 | jm_: True...I guess we can get kind of spoiled by the amazing efficiency of the Debian developer community :-) |
| 08:22.29 | ChristianP | jm_, hda: status timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } |
| 08:22.33 | jm_ | ChristianP: I somehow find that hard to believe |
| 08:22.37 | jm_ | ChristianP: there you go |
| 08:22.39 | mlewis00 | jm_: I don't mind contributing but what throws me off is that it works on someone elses system with the same version installed and that leaves me thinking that it is not an actual bug but just a configuration problem on my system. |
| 08:22.41 | kevix | da_bon_bon, there are differnt levels of compliance. I think they may be at version 2 (just a guess) |
| 08:23.08 | da_bon_bon | i had previously customized my debian installed, and had saved the output of dpkg -l to a text file. is it possible to use it again to get my system to the same state ? |
| 08:23.14 | da_bon_bon | kevix: ok. :) |
| 08:23.37 | da_bon_bon | i mean, get the same packages |
| 08:23.45 | da_bon_bon | obviously not the same versions XD |
| 08:24.07 | ChristianP | jm_, hda: status timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } |
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| 08:24.16 | jm_ | ChristianP: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/baslinux/2004-January/002275.html |
| 08:24.26 | Jacky | I'm coming. |
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| 08:24.30 | mlewis00 | jm_: Actually, I didn't try to apt-get --purge remove the initscript and sysvinit packages because I found the bug report...I think I'll try that since you say it works on your system with the same version. |
| 08:24.35 | jm_ | mlewis00: do you use any console= lines then? |
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| 08:25.07 | kevix | da_bon_bon, some folks use 'dpkg --get-selections > package.list' then 'cat package.list|dpkg --set-selections' and then aptitude dselect-upgrade. |
| 08:25.13 | jm_ | chriswk: it also means it disabled DMA for you |
| 08:25.18 | jm_ | ChristianP ^^^^^ |
| 08:25.45 | mlewis00 | jm_: No, but I could also try that I guess, if reinstalling doesn't work (console=tty1)... |
| 08:25.54 | bibe | da_bon_bon : yes, dpkg --get-selections and dpkg --set-selections and apt-get install does the trick |
| 08:25.55 | kevix | da_bon_bon, this gets you the same packages BUT not the same version. I dont think this exists as an easy solution yet. |
| 08:25.58 | Jacky | Can I use rpm to install rpm package in the debian? |
| 08:26.12 | hejux | hi all ,anyone could recommand me a terminal that can surpport chinese display and writing under debian with FVWM ? |
| 08:26.16 | Roots | Jacky, use alien |
| 08:26.28 | cookiecaper | How do I defragment my Linux partition? |
| 08:26.33 | Jacky | Roots: what is alien? |
| 08:26.36 | jm_ | mlewis00: you don't need to use that, it's default - I have 3 systems like that where it works and one with serial console where the afore mentioned bug hit me, but I easily solved that |
| 08:26.37 | paivakil | cookiecaper: not required |
| 08:26.46 | Roots | hejux, maybe uim? I use uim for Japanese display/entry, dunno if it supports Chinese though. Might want to try scim if it doesnt |
| 08:26.52 | da_bon_bon | bibe, kevix: this is easy enough. can i get synaptic to do the same ? |
| 08:26.57 | kevix | bibe, you need to use 'apt-get dselect-upgrade' |
| 08:27.07 | Roots | Jacky: its a debian package. Google it or look it up in the package repositories for more info |
| 08:27.26 | hejux | Roots:what a Terminal do you use ? |
| 08:27.57 | Jacky | Roots:If I have rpm package, Can I install it in the deian? |
| 08:28.02 | kevix | da_bon_bon, not sure on synaptic. but if you can use the 'dpkg -l' data to create a file with similiar output to 'dpkg --get-selections'. it will work. |
| 08:28.12 | hejux | kevix: yes you can |
| 08:28.20 | Jacky | Terminal is putty. |
| 08:28.31 | Jacky | putty is very good. |
| 08:28.34 | da_bon_bon | ok, kevix , thanks |
| 08:28.38 | mlewis00 | jm_: That's how it _should_ work... |
| 08:28.48 | kevix | hejux, are you referring to doing a 'dselect-upgrade' with synpatic? |
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| 08:29.07 | bibe | kevix : I am looking for a web page describing the procedure, I read it some months ago |
| 08:29.09 | evilkenshin | how do you uninstall progrmas? |
| 08:29.15 | liable | Jacky: you can use alien to convert it. |
| 08:29.18 | bibe | kevix : http://freshmeat.net/projects/clone-debian/ |
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| 08:29.36 | liable | Jacky: you would be better off getting the source though if available |
| 08:29.37 | kevix | bibe, thanx. |
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| 08:30.08 | bibe | kevix : no problem :) |
| 08:30.41 | da_bon_bon | bibe: why didnt i know of this before :( |
| 08:30.51 | bbrazil | evilkenshin: dpkg -R package |
| 08:31.11 | Jacky | It also says "can't use rpm in debian" |
| 08:31.16 | hejux | kevix: usually we use Alien to change *.rpm into *.deb ,then dkpg -i *.deb |
| 08:31.25 | liable | evilkenshin: the same way you install them, with apt-get |
| 08:31.35 | kevix | evilkenshin, it would be very useful to learn the basics of 'apt' as it is the tool for debian. 'man apt-get' before asking more questions. |
| 08:32.01 | jm_ | mlewis00: it does for most people ;) |
| 08:32.03 | Jacky | Thank hejux. |
| 08:32.26 | kevix | hejux, I think that was meant for someone else x-) |
| 08:32.29 | hejux | kevix : another way ,you can install rpm tools to do rpm installing |
| 08:32.58 | ChristianP | jm_, thanks, another question: the article you suggest talk about rc.local as the startup script. I can't find it. Have i to create it or is there a different one? |
| 08:33.23 | mlewis00 | jm_: I know...that is what is so annoying about it :( |
| 08:33.26 | kevix | hejux, I would not use an rpm unless there was no deb for it, and then I may prefer a tgz first. (but that's just me) |
| 08:33.40 | hejux | kevix: sudo apt-get install rpm |
| 08:33.42 | Roots | hejux, its not a terminal, I can type Japanese anywhere. Like here: ???????? |
| 08:34.01 | Roots | I just use Ctrl+Spacebar to change between EN and JP entry modes |
| 08:34.17 | kevix | Roots, 寿å¸ã€€ã€€ |
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| 08:34.34 | hejux | Roots:hehe, i can type chinese here too ,but it seems i can't type it under xterm :) |
| 08:34.36 | Roots | kevix, I can't read that. Are you on Windows? |
| 08:34.56 | shayx | Roots: it deppends on the locale/charset you're using |
| 08:34.58 | Roots | hejux, I think you need to open up a Unicode session of xterm. Don't know how to do that though, because I've never tried :P |
| 08:35.01 | kevix | Roots, I am using utf-8/gnome/uim-xim anthy |
| 08:35.04 | hejux | kevix:hehe chinese ? i can see it |
| 08:35.08 | shayx | Roots: I guess that he's usting utf16 or something |
| 08:35.13 | Jacky | Roots,What os are you using now? |
| 08:35.30 | jm_ | ChristianP: Debian doesn't use rc.local, but you can add another one if you want |
| 08:35.37 | Roots | I'm running Debian right now Jacky :) |
| 08:35.53 | hejux | Roots: you cann't read that because you didnot install chinese fonts |
| 08:35.57 | kevix | Roots, there are many utf-8 xterms on debian, install one! |
| 08:35.58 | Sweetshark | Hi guys! Can somebody point me to a good apt doc? Right now I need a list of installed packages ... |
| 08:35.59 | ChristianP | jm_, and what does Debian use? |
| 08:36.02 | Roots | How do I find/change my font settings in X-Chat? |
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| 08:36.22 | Roots | I'm almost positive I have Chinese fonts installed though |
| 08:36.32 | Jacky | Roots,How can I know what OS someesle is using? |
| 08:36.35 | hejux | Roots: that what i am looking for---to make xterm display chinese |
| 08:36.41 | Roots | And I know that when I type Japanese to people on Windows boxes, they can't make sense of what I type and vice-versa |
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| 08:36.48 | kevix | Sweetshark, 'dpkg -l' and 'dpkg --get-selections' |
| 08:36.59 | jm_ | ChristianP: standard sysv init scripts? |
| 08:37.21 | Roots | Jacky: I dunno. uname -a will give you the kernel name in Linux |
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| 08:37.38 | hejux | Roots:to change charset just use : /charset utf8 |
| 08:38.09 | Roots | kevix, can you try saying something again in Chinese/Japanese/whatever please? |
| 08:38.16 | kevix | hejux, I did 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' and use en_US.utf8 |
| 08:38.29 | Jacky | If X start failure beause of the 1024x768, how can I change it to be 800x600 |
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| 08:38.49 | kevix | Roots, 山葵 |
| 08:38.51 | jm_ | Jacky: set default resolution in X config file |
| 08:38.56 | Roots | Hah, I can read it now! |
| 08:38.57 | hejux | roots ä¸å›½ 日本 |
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| 08:39.06 | Jacky | jm_,which config file? |
| 08:39.09 | Roots | ã“れをèªã‚ã‚‹ã‹ã€‚ |
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| 08:39.25 | hejux | Roots： yes thats rigth |
| 08:39.26 | kevix | Jacky, 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' (if you use xorg) and change the resolution options. |
| 08:39.29 | hejux | Roots： yes thats right |
| 08:39.44 | jm_ | Jacky: that would largely depend on which version of X you use |
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| 08:39.56 | kevix | Roots, I can see it, (but can read it) |
| 08:39.59 | sanxiyn | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/11/msg00308.html |
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| 08:40.09 | kevix | hejux, Roots , the joys of unicode! |
| 08:40.17 | hejux | heh |
| 08:40.35 | Roots | For the record it says "Can you read this?" |
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| 08:40.41 | hejux | kevix : where are you located ? |
| 08:40.43 | kevix | Roots, hehe. |
| 08:40.53 | kevix | hejux, NYC |
| 08:40.56 | sanxiyn | Hm, they run Trac. |
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| 08:41.12 | hejux | hey NYC i dont understand |
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| 08:41.17 | Roots | I'm in Austin |
| 08:41.17 | Sweetshark | kevix: thank you very much |
| 08:41.17 | Benvolio | How can i automatically let kde check for the existence of apps that are associated with file types and delete invalid entries? |
| 08:41.37 | kevix | hejux, the big apple! |
| 08:41.39 | TwistedEmotions | What are the buttons to change the screen resolution again? |
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| 08:41.53 | Phated | Ctral-Alt-+/- |
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| 08:41.57 | Phated | Ctrl. |
| 08:42.01 | TwistedEmotions | ty |
| 08:42.05 | Phated | np. |
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| 08:42.14 | hejux | roots: so ,where are Austin localed ? |
| 08:42.17 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: ctrl-alt-(+/-) (keypad) |
| 08:42.27 | hejux | kevix : :( , |
| 08:42.29 | Roots | Texas. United States |
| 08:42.36 | kevix | hejux, texas? |
| 08:42.49 | hejux | rootS: Bush is from there |
| 08:42.56 | Gnea | hrm |
| 08:43.02 | Roots | Bush sucks |
| 08:43.08 | kevix | hejux, so where you? |
| 08:43.09 | ChristianP | jm_, do you mean init.d ? |
| 08:43.24 | Gnea | hejux: where are you? |
| 08:43.27 | kevix | Roots, its not your fault! x-) |
| 08:43.34 | Phated | Heh. |
| 08:43.35 | hejux | kevix : Jiang Su . China |
| 08:43.36 | Roots | thanks :) |
| 08:43.40 | Phated | karsten: What's up? |
| 08:43.41 | Jacky | How can I configure my mice again? |
| 08:43.42 | jm_ | ChristianP: read /etc/init.d/skeleton and /etc/init.d/README |
| 08:43.49 | Phated | Jacky: For X? |
| 08:43.54 | hejux | Gnea:hey china jiangsu |
| 08:43.56 | Jacky | Yes |
| 08:44.03 | Roots | ai wo ni |
| 08:44.16 | hejux | jm_: anther chinese ? |
| 08:44.21 | Phated | Eh, that made no sense. |
| 08:44.24 | Jacky | Phated,I can start X because of the mouse |
| 08:44.31 | Gnea | hejux: yes, bush is from texas, it doesn't mean we wanted him to be our leader. |
| 08:44.42 | kevix | hejux, I think the DCC has a chinese member. |
| 08:44.45 | Phated | Jacky: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 or xserver-xorg. |
| 08:44.45 | Jacky | It reports configure mice error |
| 08:44.47 | hejux | Roots: ai wo ni what do you mean ? maybe : i love you ? |
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| 08:45.01 | jm_ | hejux: me? not really, I'm located approximately halfway between you and Roots ;) |
| 08:45.04 | liable | so reconfigure it.. |
| 08:45.04 | Phated | Shouldn't that be wo ai ni? In fact, I know it's wo ai ni. |
| 08:45.06 | kevix | Jacky, 'apt-get install mdetect' |
| 08:45.24 | ChristianP | jm_, thanks |
| 08:45.30 | Roots | Yes, I love you. :) That's about all I know how to say in Chinese (and all I need to know how to say too ;) |
| 08:45.31 | Phated | Man, I really need to compose chinese on this, it would be better than pinyin-ing everything. |
| 08:45.39 | Phated | Roots: And you got it wrong? :) |
| 08:45.49 | hejux | Phated: if you have xfree86 so xfree86 ,if xorg so xorg :P |
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| 08:45.58 | Phated | hejux: I know this. |
| 08:46.02 | Roots | I did? Well I learned my Chinese from Japanese media, so it could very well be wrong :P |
| 08:46.14 | Roots | Oh yeah, wo ai ni |
| 08:46.20 | Phated | Roots: Yeah. |
| 08:46.24 | Roots | hahah, I always say ai first for some reason |
| 08:46.24 | sanxiyn | Ronson: Eh. |
| 08:46.41 | Roots | zaizen! |
| 08:47.11 | Gnea | Roots: gah ni nya! ;) |
| 08:47.11 | hejux | Phated: sorry ,i meant you were asking the questing :) |
| 08:47.12 | Phated | hejux: No problem. |
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| 08:47.43 | Gnea | okay, that always seems to cause a hush. |
| 08:48.02 | sanxiyn | Roots: That'd be æˆ‘æ„›ä½ ? |
| 08:48.10 | Jacky | I use xfree86,How can i change it to the xorg? |
| 08:48.20 | Gnea | Jacky: apt-get install xserver-xorg |
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| 08:48.27 | hejux | Roots: you are American and you learnt a lot of japanese ,through that , you know some about chinese ? |
| 08:48.55 | Gnea | !get xorg |
| 08:48.55 | dpkg | X.Org is in Etch but not in Sarge. xserver-xorg replaces XFree86's xserver-xfree86. updating x-window-system-core/x-window-system on Etch will bring it in. for X.org on Sarge, ask me about <xorg sarge> |
| 08:48.57 | Jacky | Gnea,Thank you |
| 08:49.01 | Gnea | Jacky: np |
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| 08:49.05 | electron_ | hi, how can I access my treble and bass controls for my soundcard? |
| 08:49.19 | Gnea | electron_: with the mixer |
| 08:49.33 | Jacky | Gnea,xfree86 and xorg are both in the dibian first CD? |
| 08:49.42 | Roots | hejux, yes |
| 08:49.50 | Gnea | !xorg sarge |
| 08:49.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xorg sarge is [1] add these to sources.list without quotes: "deb http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main" "deb-src http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main" [2] run the following command: apt-get update && apt-get install xserver-xorg [3] restart X |
| 08:49.53 | kevix | electron_, aumix, amixer, alsamixer, kmix, ... |
| 08:49.58 | electron_ | aumix? |
| 08:50.01 | Gnea | Jacky: ^^ check that |
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| 08:50.13 | Roots | Actually I watched a Chinese drama not too long ago. Triumph in the Skies or something. I hardly understood a thing without subtitles though |
| 08:50.16 | Gnea | electron_: depends what sound drivers you're using: OSS or ALSA |
| 08:50.38 | sanxiyn | ä½ å€‘æˆ‘çš„æœ‹å‹ |
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| 08:51.04 | Gnea | i dig japanese wooden windsocks |
| 08:51.11 | hejux | Roots: there are lots of Chinese charactors Japanese |
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| 08:51.27 | sanxiyn | hejux: Which are pronounced entirely different. |
| 08:51.31 | hejux | sanxiyn: æˆ‘ä»¬æ˜¯ä½ çš„æœ‹å‹ |
| 08:51.43 | hejux | sanxiyn：yes really |
| 08:51.43 | Gnea | that all looks like garbage to me |
| 08:51.47 | sanxiyn | hejux: Sure. |
| 08:52.15 | hejux | sanxiyn : you lost a 是 |
| 08:52.22 | sanxiyn | hejux: I realize. |
| 08:52.22 | Gnea | and UTF-8 doesn't seem to work right on this system |
| 08:52.45 | Roots | 最強大å¦é™¢ç”Ÿ |
| 08:52.51 | kevix | hejux, http://www.sw-linux.com/en/scripts/main/viewitem.php?unitemid=7428281122578170&itemid=9868931122578815&showid=company&catid=news |
| 08:52.54 | sanxiyn | Ronson: Eh. |
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| 08:53.42 | Gnea | hejux: so what's up with all of the losers in china that keep trying to attack computer systems in the states? |
| 08:53.51 | kevix | Gnea, you need the fonts installed and utf-8 set IIUC. |
| 08:54.08 | Gnea | kevix: which fonts? |
| 08:54.15 | Gnea | console fonts? |
| 08:54.34 | sanxiyn | Gnea: I use Arphic Sungti + Kochi Mincho + UnDotum |
| 08:54.40 | sanxiyn | (Each for C, J, K.) |
| 08:54.50 | mlewis00 | jm_: I fixed it! I did an 'apt-get --purge remove initscripts sysvinit', made a not of which packages it removed because of dependencies, reinstalled everything, restarted, and now I have a bootlogd that works :) |
| 08:55.02 | Gnea | kevix: and on which system? just the system i'm ircing from or on any system that i grab the session from? |
| 08:55.12 | hejux | Gnea: iv no idea |
| 08:55.23 | Gnea | oh that's funny. |
| 08:56.01 | hejux | heh , i am under debian with FVWM ----very plain WM ,hehe ......happy .WOW! |
| 08:56.15 | sanxiyn | Gnea: Setting up CJK on console (not terminal emulator) is tricky, though not impossible. |
| 08:56.28 | jm_ | mlewis00: cool |
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| 08:56.43 | mlewis00 | jm_: I think I know what might have happened to this installation, although it shouldn't matter...I installed a _lot_ of packages along with the base system in 'expert' mode of installation and I don't think the installer could handle it because I've been having other problems that nobody else has. |
| 08:56.50 | Gnea | sanxiyn: what about something screen-compatible? |
| 08:56.58 | hejux | kevix: i still do not know where are you . what is NYC ? |
| 08:56.59 | kevix | Gnea, if you use aptitude it has a tasks section, you can see a list of fonts there. |
| 08:57.01 | Gnea | hejux: FVWM is a great starter WM :) |
| 08:57.11 | sanxiyn | Gnea: For irssi, I think there's "recode.pl" plugin or so. |
| 08:57.13 | Gnea | hejux: New York City |
| 08:57.15 | kevix | hejux, new york. |
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| 08:57.50 | hejux | kevix: oh my god ! faint! |
| 08:57.50 | mlewis00 | jm_: Maybe the reinstallation of the base-system will fix some of the other problems I've been having, too... |
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| 08:58.11 | ChristianP | I installed zope 2.7 e zope 2.8 from source. After dist-upgrade, now i have a configuration attempts of zope2.7 and zope 2.8 (probably have been updated) but with no success. Now every time i do an apt-get install the system try to configure (with no success) zope 2.7 and zope 2.8. Is there a way to avoid this (i need no upgrade for zope 2.7 and zope 2.8)? |
| 08:58.15 | Gnea | hejux: what's wrong with new york? |
| 08:58.20 | hejux | why many of you know chinese and chould type it ? |
| 08:58.25 | kevix | hejux, what's up with newyork? |
| 08:58.37 | sanxiyn | ChristianP: How does it fail? |
| 08:58.42 | Gnea | hejux: because some of us are educated |
| 08:58.43 | hejux | Gnea: nothing , i am fainting my self |
| 08:58.51 | Gnea | hejux: you are fainting - why? |
| 08:59.05 | kevix | hejux, get a glass of water or something! |
| 08:59.07 | ChristianP | sanxiyn, a lot of this error: SyntaxError: 'return' outside function |
| 08:59.13 | sanxiyn | ChristianP: Ugh. |
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| 08:59.26 | hejux | gnea: it is my fault that i do not understand NYC |
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| 08:59.56 | Gnea | hejux: that doesn't matter. there is a process to understand, if you would choose to do so. |
| 09:00.09 | kevix | hejux, its not as thought this was a test x-) |
| 09:00.14 | ChristianP | sanxiyn, is there a way to abort zope configuration (old release still work) |
| 09:00.18 | ChristianP | ? |
| 09:00.29 | hejux | yes : a glass of water : that's correct descript . |
| 09:00.34 | Gnea | hejux: NYC - it's a city with people living in it. What is so difficult to understand? :) |
| 09:00.44 | sanxiyn | ChristianP: You could remove them and then reinstall, or you could nuke configuration scripts. |
| 09:01.08 | sanxiyn | Debian Zope package does bytecode compilation in postinst. (as other Python packages in Debian) |
| 09:01.29 | ChristianP | sanxiyn, how can i nuke conf scrpt (i don't want to reinstall zope) |
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| 09:01.40 | hejux | gnea : you mean ,educated people usually know some chinese and japanese ? |
| 09:02.13 | Phated | Not necessarily. |
| 09:02.17 | hejux | going to install urxvt...... |
| 09:02.26 | kevix | hejux, if you live in a diverse population, you pick up many things! |
| 09:02.29 | Jacky | Why GNOME and KDE is not window manager? |
| 09:02.32 | Gnea | hejux: some do, some don't. i don't, but i know a few words. i choose not to speak them (excepf for a random burst) since they are mostly offensive words. :) |
| 09:02.57 | Gnea | Jacky: not installed? |
| 09:03.05 | kevix | Jacky, Gnome normally uses 'metacity' as a window manager. |
| 09:03.09 | bibe | Jacky : they are _also_ window managers, but they do much more than a window manager |
| 09:03.16 | sanxiyn | ChristianP: cd /var/lib/dpkg/info, rm zope{2.7,2.8}.postinst. Eh... well, you are not supposed to mess with dpkg, but in this case, the worst that can happen is bytecode compilation not done. |
| 09:03.38 | Gnea | Jacky: GNOME and KDE are Desktop Managers, not Window Managers - they usually utilize a sub-program to handle WM functionality |
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| 09:03.57 | kevix | Jacky, Kde normally uses 'kwin' as a window manager, IIRC. |
| 09:04.07 | bibe | Jacky : kevix and Gnea pointed out the question much better than me |
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| 09:04.18 | Jacky | Gnea,What is VM,Can you give me a define? |
| 09:04.23 | sanxiyn | Gnea: GNOME even has desktop/gnome/application/window_manager configuration key. |
| 09:04.37 | Gnea | Jacky: Virtual Memory |
| 09:04.40 | sanxiyn | (Which defaults to metacity, but some changes to sawfish, or others.) |
| 09:04.59 | Gnea | sanxiyn: scary ;) |
| 09:05.21 | sanxiyn | Gnea: GConf tends to scare people because it reminds them of Windows Registry. :( |
| 09:05.24 | _SerhaT_ | hmm I got exim3 running .. I used /etc/aliases to forward some mail adress.. but now the owner wants the box to also save a copy of the mail.. any idea's what I should try? |
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| 09:06.01 | hejux | sudo apt-get install urxvt ,nothing echo ??? |
| 09:06.01 | kevix | sanxiyn, yes! its a big xml mess! |
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| 09:06.30 | sanxiyn | kevix: If you have better idea for GConf storage, don't hesitate to suggest it to its developers. |
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| 09:06.41 | sanxiyn | kevix: They aren't too happy with it too. |
| 09:07.07 | Gnea | sanxiyn: but it is NOT windows registry - the thing that displeases me about gnome and kde is the fact that they have a large dependancy on so many libraries - the libraries themselves are not optimized in any way, and so entropy occurs thus pushing the market forward with newer and better computers... oh yeah, and cuz gates keeps issueing service packs ;) |
| 09:07.27 | kevix | sanxiyn, I'd be ok if there was a REALLY easy tool to be able to edit it. not just a simple gconf tool. |
| 09:08.05 | sanxiyn | kevix: gconf-editor |
| 09:08.35 | sanxiyn | kevix: I actually prefer gconftool. I use it to seed "my very own defaults" differing from GNOME's. |
| 09:08.57 | concept10 | what is the best firewall for a server in the repos or any opinions |
| 09:09.06 | Gnea | !best |
| 09:09.06 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 09:09.21 | Gnea | concept10: iptables |
| 09:09.40 | concept10 | Gnea: Beyond that |
| 09:09.56 | Gnea | concept10: vim |
| 09:10.00 | concept10 | wtf |
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| 09:10.13 | Gnea | iptables-save > file |
| 09:10.15 | Gnea | vim file |
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| 09:10.25 | Gnea | iptables-restore < file |
| 09:10.27 | kevix | sanxiyn, I have seen gconf-editor, but it looks just like a win-reg-editor. how am I suppoe to know what any change will do, how to you solve a problem with it, what are the possible values for each setting? |
| 09:10.29 | Gnea | ta-da! |
| 09:10.31 | concept10 | lol |
| 09:10.46 | Gnea | i've heard that shorewall is cool, but i've yet to try it |
| 09:10.51 | concept10 | very funny |
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| 09:11.02 | Gnea | concept10: well, you asked. |
| 09:11.04 | kevix | concept10, 'apt-cache search firewall' |
| 09:11.09 | nornagon | Hi all. I'm having a bit of trouble syncing my pocket pc (ipaq) with synce. It recognises everything fine, but when it gets to synce-serial-config, I have no idea what device name to put in. |
| 09:11.17 | sanxiyn | kevix: At least it hides storage layer from you. |
| 09:11.27 | nornagon | I presume it's ttyUSB0, but find /dev -name *USB* shows up nothing. |
| 09:11.46 | kevix | sanxiyn, this much is true. |
| 09:12.14 | kevix | nornagon, what interface is it on? |
| 09:12.15 | Gnea | nornagon: did the ipaq module get loaded? |
| 09:12.33 | sanxiyn | "GNU/Solaris adaptation" <- Eh, is that a changelog? |
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| 09:12.53 | electron_ | How can I view MSN webcams with Debian? |
| 09:12.56 | Trewas | kevix: at least in gnome 2.12 gconf-editor shows descriptions for each parameter |
| 09:13.00 | Gnea | sanxiyn: who wrote that? someone needs to learn them some manners. |
| 09:13.05 | kevix | sanxiyn, have you been following the flamewar on debian-dev on slowlaris? |
| 09:13.10 | sanxiyn | kevix: Yes. |
| 09:13.18 | nornagon | kevix: ttyusb0, but I'm not sure what the right name for that is. |
| 09:13.18 | sanxiyn | kevix: Those guys opened their site now. |
| 09:13.20 | nornagon | Gnea: yes. |
| 09:13.34 | sanxiyn | kevix: Changelog is from http://www.gnusolaris.org/archive/changelogs/pool/main/p/python-xml/python-xml_0.8.4-1gnusol1/changelog |
| 09:13.43 | Gnea | nornagon: dmesg should say what it is, or at least udev should create it |
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| 09:13.53 | kevix | nornagon, what's the worst that can happen if its the wrong port? try it! |
| 09:14.04 | sanxiyn | kevix: In my opinion, it wasn't a flamewar, although it could be. People (with a few exception) kept sanity. |
| 09:14.12 | Gnea | sanxiyn: oh that's right, they finally released the source... |
| 09:14.26 | flor | alguien en castellano??? |
| 09:14.31 | kevix | !es |
| 09:14.31 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 09:14.57 | nornagon | Gnea: I don't think I use udev. |
| 09:15.11 | flor | ok but this server no is in |
| 09:15.17 | flor | my list of servers |
| 09:15.19 | nornagon | usb 4-1: new full speed USB device using address 6 |
| 09:15.21 | nornagon | ipaq 4-1:1.0: PocketPC PDA converter detected |
| 09:15.21 | nornagon | usb 4-1: PocketPC PDA converter now attached to ttyUSB0 |
| 09:15.23 | Gnea | nornagon: it would help solve the problem much more efficiently |
| 09:15.25 | nornagon | so, yeah |
| 09:15.37 | Gnea | ah ha |
| 09:15.49 | Gnea | so what happens if you cat /dev/ttyUSB0 ? |
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| 09:17.24 | electron_ | how can I watch .avi files with debian? |
| 09:17.36 | nornagon | $ cat /dev/ttyUSB0 |
| 09:17.37 | nornagon | cat: /dev/ttyUSB0: No such file or directory |
| 09:17.39 | dvsdude | electron_, xine |
| 09:17.45 | dvsdude | electron_, mplayer |
| 09:17.47 | _SerhaT_ | electron_: xine/mplayer/vlc ? |
| 09:17.48 | Gnea | electron_: totem |
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| 09:18.16 | electron_ | xine is broken |
| 09:18.26 | streuner | electron_: gxine then :-) |
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| 09:18.39 | streuner | or kaffeine |
| 09:18.51 | streuner | electron_: x |
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| 09:19.33 | streuner | electron_: you don't know how to see avi's in debian and running unstable? |
| 09:19.54 | nornagon | Gnea: I can't use udev because the version in debian etch doesn't work on kernels < 2.6.12, but ndiswrapper (essential for my wireless) doesn't work on 2.6.12. |
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| 09:20.52 | marc7 | does anyone use samhain here? |
| 09:21.42 | shay | hi |
| 09:21.54 | kevix | nornagon, you said a message shows ttyUSB0 and then it doesnt exist? |
| 09:22.10 | Gnea | nornagon: for i in 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15; do mknod /dev/ttyUSB$i c 188 $i; done |
| 09:22.36 | _SerhaT_ | hmm I got exim3 running .. I used /etc/aliases to forward some mail adress.. but now the owner wants the box to also save a copy of the mail.. any idea's what I should try? |
| 09:22.37 | nornagon | kevix: yes. |
| 09:22.52 | nornagon | Gnea: that'll work? |
| 09:23.02 | Gnea | nornagon: i just tested it. yes. |
| 09:23.11 | liable | _SerhaT_: are you running woody? |
| 09:23.13 | nornagon | awesome, I'll try it. |
| 09:23.18 | dpower | Any script that i put in /etc/init.d will run upon booting? |
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| 09:23.23 | _SerhaT_ | liable: etch |
| 09:23.27 | dpower | granted that it is given executable permissions |
| 09:23.32 | liable | dpower: no, man update-rc.d |
| 09:23.38 | Gnea | !update-rc.d |
| 09:23.39 | dpkg | it has been said that update-rc.d is used to manipulate what's loaded when a system boots up. Also use it instead of deleting symlinks by hand Example to add: 'update-rc.d dhcpd defaults 90'. Example to remove: 'update-rc.d -f dhcpd remove', or read "man update-rc.d" for a good intro to Debian's boot process |
| 09:23.52 | dpower | ok thx |
| 09:23.53 | jm_ | mlewis00: did it ask you to replace old init scripts with new ones? |
| 09:23.58 | nornagon | still no ttyUSB0... |
| 09:23.59 | Jacky | how can i let base-config show chinese menu? |
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| 09:24.17 | Gnea | nornagon: the /dev/ files exist now, right? |
| 09:24.21 | Zugschlus | _SerhaT_: put the forwarding address and a local account into the /etc/aliases file |
| 09:24.22 | kevix | Gnea, I think "cd /dev; MAKEDEV usb" is preferrred. |
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| 09:24.40 | nornagon | Gnea: there are ttyUSB(1-15), but no ttyUSB0 |
| 09:24.43 | nornagon | I presume I just mknod /dev/ttyUSB0 c 188 0 |
| 09:24.45 | nornagon | ? |
| 09:24.51 | Gnea | kevix: OH |
| 09:24.54 | hejux | Jacky:much had to be changed i think |
| 09:24.58 | Gnea | nornagon: yeah that'll work - sorry |
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| 09:25.03 | Putte_H | http://putteh.no-ip.com/covers A Brand New Coversite. |
| 09:25.04 | nornagon | kay, thanks. |
| 09:25.05 | Putte_H | http://putteh.no-ip.com/covers A Brand New Coversite. |
| 09:25.06 | Putte_H | http://putteh.no-ip.com/covers A Brand New Coversite. |
| 09:25.12 | Putte_H | http://putteh.no-ip.com/covers A Brand New Coversite. |
| 09:25.14 | liable | !ops Putte_H spammer |
| 09:25.17 | kevix | oh spam! |
| 09:25.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: Putte_H spammer |
| 09:25.20 | Gnea | Putte_H: your site SUCKS |
| 09:25.30 | hejux | kill Putte_H? |
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| 09:25.36 | nornagon | aha! |
| 09:25.38 | nornagon | works! :D |
| 09:25.42 | Gnea | cool |
| 09:25.46 | Gnea | kevix: what? :) |
| 09:26.04 | nornagon | thanks heaps. |
| 09:26.08 | Jacky | hejux:When I installing,can show chenese menu,but run base-config manully,can't show chinese menu |
| 09:26.11 | shay | yo :P |
| 09:26.29 | boot_flop | hi, this debian boots via a floppy that does very little (it's not a loadable boot), it just seems to point to the kernel image - i can't read or copy this floppy, howto make another one for backup? |
| 09:26.44 | jm_ | boot_flop: dd |
| 09:26.46 | shay | Jacky, do you see the option for chinesse or you just can't "read" chinesse? |
| 09:27.05 | boot_flop | jm_: thx, i tried that but it produces input/output errors |
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| 09:27.29 | jm_ | boot_flop: that means you have errors on the disc |
| 09:27.33 | electron_ | hmm, my xine is fucked, when I run it, there is a blue screen and it wont play any files! |
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| 09:27.49 | Jacky | shay,It is chinese menu, but I can't see it |
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| 09:27.53 | kevix | Gnea, huh. |
| 09:27.58 | boot_flop | jm_: yep, yet it still works and that's why i want to make another one |
| 09:28.05 | dvsdude | electron_, do u have codecs w32codecs does xine know were they are |
| 09:28.22 | _SerhaT_ | Zugschlus: done.. didn't know that was allowed..good to know..ty |
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| 09:28.28 | electron_ | not sure |
| 09:28.30 | jm_ | boot_flop: use ddrescue and copy as much as you can |
| 09:28.32 | electron_ | how do I get them? |
| 09:29.00 | NOthsouth | how can I make a copy of my already debian installed on my pc for another pc ? |
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| 09:29.06 | dvsdude | electron_, mplayer http://www.mplayerhq.hu/ |
| 09:29.11 | jm_ | NOthsouth: read hard disk upgrade mini howto |
| 09:29.23 | kevix | Jacky, I know if you use 'LC_ALL=es_ES.iso8859 /usr/sbin/base-config' it works for spanish. this idea may work for chinese. |
| 09:29.43 | dvsdude | electron_, this site has debian apt sourcehttp://www.princessleia.com/MPlayer2.html |
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| 09:30.15 | NOthsouth | jm_, =) |
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| 09:30.51 | stylish | does debian turn you on |
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| 09:33.56 | sep | stylish, you are kidding i supose. everyone that have been trying to keep windows uptodate and without many reboots. then experience " apt-get upgrade" can't help to get a hardon.. |
| 09:34.09 | sep | :) |
| 09:34.33 | omis | :p |
| 09:34.33 | stylish | MS Windows is garbage |
| 09:34.42 | electron_ | E: Malformed line 25 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse) |
| 09:35.09 | liable | electron_: so look at line 25 :) |
| 09:35.18 | electron_ | there is only 20 lines |
| 09:35.26 | liable | hah |
| 09:35.32 | wOOt | lol |
| 09:35.44 | dvsdude | electron_, i didnt give u the apt sources.list url i just gave u info and site that has the deb |
| 09:35.52 | kevix | sep, tune in, drop up, apt-get! |
| 09:35.59 | kevix | sep, tune in, drop out, apt-get! |
| 09:36.07 | dvsdude | electron_, deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ etch main |
| 09:36.53 | dvsdude | electron_, deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main or deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sid pending ur release |
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| 09:37.55 | electron_ | Is there a gkrellm package I can download with aptitude that has all the skins? |
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| 09:39.18 | kevix | electron_, 'apt-cache search gkrellm' doesnt seem to show any skins. |
| 09:39.31 | ChrisW | where'd I find libjpeg-dev or some such in aptitude? |
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| 09:40.17 | kevix | ChrisW, '/' opens a search window. type 'libjpeg-dev' enter (use 'n' to find next) |
| 09:41.00 | NOthsouth | How can I stop using my gcc 3.3, and use gcc 2.95 ? when I try to delete gcc 3.3 using apt he try to delete lots of essenstial packages |
| 09:41.02 | liable | or use apt-file. |
| 09:41.03 | ChrisW | # aptitude / |
| 09:41.15 | ChrisW | "This aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers." |
| 09:41.17 | ChrisW | wtf? |
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| 09:41.38 | eps | hehe |
| 09:41.42 | kevix | ChrisW, apt-get has super cow powers. aptitude does not! |
| 09:41.42 | eps | aptitude moo -v |
| 09:41.56 | dvsdude | haha |
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| 09:41.58 | eps | oh sorry, moo |
| 09:42.00 | ChrisW | hahaha |
| 09:42.01 | eps | then add -v |
| 09:42.02 | kevix | NOthsouth, have you tried with 3.3? |
| 09:42.07 | eps | then keep adding v's :P |
| 09:42.11 | eps | -vvvvvvvvvvvvvv :P |
| 09:42.18 | eps | mmm easter egg story |
| 09:42.30 | NOthsouth | kevix, tried what ? |
| 09:42.32 | ChrisW | hehe |
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| 09:42.56 | NOthsouth | kevix i'm trying to install oracle but look like he is using gcc 3.3 and it's not suitable for it .. |
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| 09:43.42 | kevix | NOthsouth, did you try to use 3.3 and does it fail? |
| 09:43.45 | nterprais | nas |
| 09:44.11 | NOthsouth | kevix yes |
| 09:45.26 | kevix | NOthsouth, aperently you dont know about google. |
| 09:45.43 | kevix | NOthsouth, here is the answer you would have found: http://www.the-love-shack.net/oracle-on-sid.html |
| 09:46.10 | dpower | !google |
| 09:46.10 | dpkg | somebody said google was a search engine found at http://www.google.com/ |
| 09:46.58 | shay | hey, I've heard of that google page |
| 09:47.02 | shay | maybe I'll try it |
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| 09:47.17 | kevix | shay, some say google is EVIL! |
| 09:47.28 | dpower | who says that? ;) |
| 09:47.30 | shay | pheer google |
| 09:47.38 | shay | dpower, our friend Ballmer |
| 09:47.52 | kevix | shay, but not the penguin! |
| 09:48.01 | dampjam | VMWare is trying to compile a module for the kernel... but it says my kernel was compiled with gcc3.4 while I"m using gcc4.0.3 so it will not work... is there any way to get around this? I am using the standard ubuntu kernel |
| 09:48.02 | dpower | eheh |
| 09:48.05 | dampjam | and breezy |
| 09:48.10 | shay | !ubuntu |
| 09:48.11 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 09:48.25 | NOthsouth | kevix, thx |
| 09:48.45 | liable | dampjam: /topic |
| 09:48.49 | dampjam | oops so sorry... I had my irc triggers mixed up |
| 09:48.56 | dampjam | it was suppossed to join #ubuntu... |
| 09:49.03 | dpower | eheh..sure :) |
| 09:49.16 | shay | dampjam, ... but you can go to /usr/bin, delete the gcc symbolic link and link it to gcc3.4 |
| 09:49.20 | dampjam | no... seriously... if you select the wrong x-chat entry it autojoins |
| 09:49.20 | wOOt | dampjam, remove your links to gcc4.0 binay and create a new ones gcc --> gcc3.0 |
| 09:49.22 | NOthsouth | how .. I just figure out debian is show me only 885 of RAM mem ... but I have 1.0G .. I already fix it once, it's about kernel.. what can I do ? |
| 09:49.31 | NOthsouth | I just forgot |
| 09:49.33 | dampjam | thanks guys |
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| 09:49.52 | Gathond | NOthsouth: install a kernel with HIGHMEM support |
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| 09:50.15 | kevix | Gathond, HIGHMEM64! |
| 09:50.15 | shay | NOthsouth, grep HIGHMEM /usr/src/linux/.config |
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| 09:50.24 | kailer | anyone alive? |
| 09:50.27 | shay | no |
| 09:50.31 | shay | we're all idling |
| 09:50.34 | NOthsouth | Gathond, like .. ? |
| 09:50.36 | shay | btw, this is an automatic response |
| 09:50.40 | kevix | kailer, define alive? |
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| 09:50.58 | justStormY | andybody here whos got some experience about bootcd (make your own live debia)? |
| 09:51.02 | stylish | is there a color init for debian |
| 09:51.02 | kailer | justlooking for people who can help me |
| 09:51.13 | dpower | Having life; living. |
| 09:51.22 | NOthsouth | shay, i have no usr/src/linux directory here .. |
| 09:51.23 | kevix | stylish, not yet. |
| 09:51.30 | dvsdude | justStormY, look at knoppix info built on debian |
| 09:51.45 | kailer | i'm curious how to close my current windows manager delete it and have fluxbox used as primary manager |
| 09:51.51 | shay | NOthsouth, change linux with your kernel source's directory |
| 09:52.00 | shay | NOthsouth, or check the config* files in /boot/ |
| 09:52.06 | kevix | kailer, if its a personal, financial, or emotional problem, no. |
| 09:52.30 | shay | wait kevix |
| 09:52.44 | shay | if kailer is a female I might be alive for personal or emotional problems too |
| 09:52.45 | shay | :P |
| 09:52.48 | dvsdude | justStormY, There are no official Debian live CDs available. However, we would like to recommend Knoppix, which is based on Debian - a very useful, full-featured live CD! from http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#live-cd |
| 09:52.55 | stylish | sluts eat steak |
| 09:53.07 | liable | kailer: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager, or ~/.xinitrc |
| 09:53.08 | NOthsouth | shay, can I resolv it using apt ? just installing a new one ? |
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| 09:53.29 | dvsdude | wOOt, i hear ya |
| 09:53.39 | shay | NOthsouth, yeah, maybe newer kernel images have HIGHMEM support it, apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 09:53.43 | justStormY | dvsdude: i know- but i would like to create my own debian live cd with the tool bootcd and im having some questions about that |
| 09:53.51 | shay | wOOt, Using brown weed.......... YES |
| 09:53.52 | shay | :P |
| 09:53.57 | wOOt | lol |
| 09:53.59 | wOOt | xDD |
| 09:54.07 | dvsdude | justStormY, np |
| 09:54.19 | NOthsouth | HIGMEM = 686 ? |
| 09:54.26 | Gathond | kevix: im pretty sure HIGHMEM4G is better on a 1G system as PAE would cause a pretty large performance drop |
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| 09:54.56 | Gathond | NOthsouth: highmem is an option for 32 bit x86 kernels, its notsomething a particular processer type enables |
| 09:55.00 | kevix | Gathond, dont know. |
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| 09:55.18 | NOthsouth | how I'll know if the kernel image have the HIGMEM ? |
| 09:55.47 | NOthsouth | what the smp means at the end of some kernels packages ? |
| 09:55.50 | liable | grep HIGHMEM /boot/config-blah |
| 09:55.58 | Gathond | NOthsouth: I believe the kernel packages from debian has it indicated in the name |
| 09:56.01 | kailer | kailer is a male |
| 09:56.16 | shay | kailer, then we're alive just for technical isssues. |
| 09:56.23 | shay | kailer, Debian technical issues specifically |
| 09:56.27 | kailer | do i use x-window-manager in the command? |
| 09:56.28 | justStormY | nobody here who has experience with the tool bootcd? |
| 09:56.41 | NOthsouth | liable, HIGHMEM is not set! |
| 09:56.44 | liable | kailer: yes |
| 09:56.51 | NOthsouth | can I just set it on ? |
| 09:57.01 | kevix | kailer, and this relates to FLOSS or Debian, how? |
| 09:57.05 | liable | no you have to compile the kernel again |
| 09:57.22 | liable | kailer: yes |
| 09:57.23 | DiS-K | for some reason DSA-789 (php4) is not coming through on my sarge system. I'm pretty sure my sources.list is configured correctly as other security updates do get installed (I verified the line ofcourse). Does anyone have an idea what might be causing this? |
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| 09:57.43 | NOthsouth | Gathond, how set HIGHMEM on ? |
| 09:57.46 | kailer | my friend put gnome on my build and removed fluxbox and refuses to tellme how if you have a better place for me to go i'm all ears |
| 09:57.49 | kevix | kailer, maybe in .xsession or such. |
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| 09:58.10 | liable | kailer: use the update-alternatives command i gave you |
| 09:58.30 | kevix | DiS-K, try a different mirror. maybe its an incomplete mirror. |
| 09:58.30 | liable | or just use a dm.. |
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| 09:59.08 | kevix | kailer, 'apt-get install gnome gdm' should help. |
| 09:59.23 | dvsdude | justStormY, bootcd looks interesting have u got any links to howto's |
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| 09:59.51 | justStormY | dvsdude: only to a small - which shows the basics |
| 09:59.57 | DiS-K | kevix, I'm using http://security.debian.org, which should be the latest all the time, shouldn't it? |
| 10:00.01 | justStormY | but i think ive got a bigger problem... |
| 10:00.02 | kevix | kailer, wait , did you want to use GNOME or fluxbox. |
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| 10:00.26 | kailer | fluxbox |
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| 10:00.29 | omis | kailer: .xinitrc and exec fluxbox & |
| 10:00.37 | dvsdude | justStormY, can i have please wont mind playing with it have remastered knoppix wouldnt mind makeing a cd of my system for mate |
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| 10:00.59 | shay | hm |
| 10:01.01 | wOOt | w000t! |
| 10:01.06 | kevix | DiS-K, huh. is it possible that it has a DSA but no deb yet? |
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| 10:01.14 | justStormY | dvsdude: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Live_CD_distributions |
| 10:01.20 | justStormY | scroll a bit |
| 10:01.25 | eeevvvvvvvvvvvvi | ffffffffooooorrrrrrrr ssssssssssssoooooooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmeeeeeeee rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasssssssssssssssssssssssooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn iiiiiiiiiiiii aaaaaaaammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 10:01.30 | eeevvvvvvvvvvvvi | ttttttttttttyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyppppppppiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnnnggggggg ssssssssssoooooooooooo mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnyyyyyyyy ccccccccccchhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaaaccccccccccccccctttttttttttttttteeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrsssssssssssssssssss |
| 10:01.38 | liable | jesus christ |
| 10:01.40 | wOOt | fuckers |
| 10:01.44 | liable | !ops eeevvvvvvvvvvvvi |
| 10:01.45 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: eeevvvvvvvvvvvvi |
| 10:01.48 | DiS-K | kevix, the links on http://www.us.debian.org/security/2005/dsa-789 appear to work just fine |
| 10:01.51 | kevix | kailer, 'apt-get install fluxbox' to install it. |
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| 10:02.05 | eeevvvvvvvvvvvvi | helllp mmmmmmeeee ffffix ttthhhhhhhhhhhiiiiiissssssssss |
| 10:02.06 | dvsdude | justStormY, cheers |
| 10:02.19 | nkuttler | eeevvvvvvvvvvvvi: man xset |
| 10:02.25 | Esaj | how do I create a filesystem inside a file? |
| 10:02.25 | streuner | eeevvvvvvvvvvvvi: stop that |
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| 10:02.45 | eeevvvvvvvvvvvvi | i caaannnnnnttttttt hhhhelllllpppppp iiiiiitt |
| 10:02.45 | justStormY | my problem is that the generated live cd isnt bootable on other systems only at that one which created the cd |
| 10:02.47 | jm_ | Esaj: man mkfs |
| 10:02.49 | streuner | Esaj: why do you need that? |
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| 10:03.13 | kevix | DiS-K, what are you running? woody,... |
| 10:03.18 | liable | hehe |
| 10:03.29 | DiS-K | kevix, nope, sarge |
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| 10:03.35 | liable | !qotd131 |
| 10:03.35 | dpkg | < Raf256> wazup < Raf256> how can I change repeat rate and delay? < Raf256> in X < asg> Raf256: man xset < Raf256> asg: ok \o/ < Raf256> asg: oohh ddddaaaammnn < Raf256> ssssttuuppiiddd rrreeepppaaaattt rrrraaattee |
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| 10:03.56 | Esaj | streuner: I'm using a livecd on a windows machine, and I want to store some data on an ext2 filesystem inside a file on an NTFS partition |
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| 10:04.17 | streuner | interesting :-) |
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| 10:04.34 | kevix | DiS-K, what version of php are you using? |
| 10:04.49 | DiS-K | kevix, 4:4.3.10-15 |
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| 10:05.45 | kevix | DiS-K, it says it was fixed in 4.3.10-16. you can use the links on the page to manually download it, I guess. |
| 10:05.46 | DiS-K | kevix, errm, omg, i'm just plain stupid...apt-cache shows 4.3.10-15 as the latest, but I am actually running 4.3.10-16. Argh, I'll hide in shame somewhere |
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| 10:06.21 | kevix | DiS-K, well at least you know you are safe! |
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| 10:06.40 | DiS-K | yeah, I got scared for a moment there :) |
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| 10:07.02 | nohero | hola mundo! |
| 10:07.39 | sandman | Anyone alive? |
| 10:07.56 | sandman | I'm trying to get my mouse to work in X. It works fine with gpm, but not with X |
| 10:08.00 | kevix | kailer, /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager contains the location of your default window manager, put the localtion of flux box in there. |
| 10:08.24 | boot_flop | jm_: thx for the tip about dd_rescue, it managed to copy the boot floppy eventually, i've written the image back to a new flop, now for the real test ... |
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| 10:09.41 | kevix | sandman, how is it defined in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 10:10.18 | sandman | kevix: There are two definitions, as my system has two mice. One for my synaptics touchpad |
| 10:10.25 | dpower | that channel limit scares me |
| 10:10.30 | sandman | Another for my USB mouse. Strangely, with gpm only one mouse is defined, but both work |
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| 10:10.48 | bbrazil | dpower: well, world writable is scary |
| 10:10.53 | BriajWrk | hi all |
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| 10:11.20 | electron_ | how to unzip tar.bz2? |
| 10:11.27 | sandman | electron_: tar xvfj |
| 10:11.31 | Phated | tar xvjf |
| 10:11.32 | dpower | electron_: man bunzip |
| 10:11.33 | streuner | electron_: /msg dpkg tar |
| 10:11.40 | Phated | streuner: f has to be the last option. |
| 10:11.47 | dpower | err bunzip2 |
| 10:11.51 | kevix | sandman, what is it using? /dev/psaux, /dev/input/mice ? |
| 10:11.53 | sandman | Phated: Nope |
| 10:11.55 | Phated | Er, sandman. |
| 10:11.57 | sandman | kevix: /dev/psaux |
| 10:12.03 | Phated | sandman: Sorry, but yes. |
| 10:12.13 | sandman | Phated: Nope. |
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| 10:12.20 | electron_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:12.22 | kevix | kevix, maybe try /dev/input/mice |
| 10:12.24 | electron_ | tar: j: Cannot open: No such file or directory |
| 10:12.24 | electron_ | tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now |
| 10:12.42 | streuner | electron_: can you read? |
| 10:12.45 | dpower | electron_: try bunzip2 <filename> |
| 10:12.46 | sandman | kevix: I'm saying gpm is using /dev/psaux, and both works |
| 10:12.46 | kevix | electron_, 'f' has to be the last option. |
| 10:12.51 | Phated | sandman: See above. |
| 10:12.57 | sandman | Phated: Try it yourself |
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| 10:13.05 | sandman | Phated: man tar |
| 10:13.06 | Phated | sandman: Eh, wfm, but not for him, apprently. |
| 10:13.09 | kevix | sandman, but what about in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 10:13.39 | electron_ | says its corrupted |
| 10:13.40 | sandman | kevix: In that I have both mice defined. One is /dev/input/mice, the other is /dev/psaux |
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| 10:13.42 | streuner | electron_: as always the first error counts in *nix ... :-) |
| 10:13.42 | electron_ | but it shouldn't be |
| 10:13.49 | BucWheat | howdy all how do i install php 4 ? |
| 10:13.59 | BucWheat | there are so many to choose from in apt |
| 10:14.01 | streuner | BucWheat: apt-get install php4? |
| 10:14.04 | dpower | Would rm -rf / actually work? |
| 10:14.04 | Phated | streuner: Oddly enough, tar xvfj works here. |
| 10:14.05 | BucWheat | which one is the right one? |
| 10:14.11 | Phated | dpower: Heh, yes. |
| 10:14.24 | dpower | heh |
| 10:14.29 | sandman | kevix: One has CorePointer option, the other has SendCoreEvents "true" |
| 10:14.38 | sandman | kevix: But only the touchpad works. |
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| 10:15.07 | just_a_poke | hello |
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| 10:15.41 | kevix | sandman, try this: http://panuganty.tripod.com/debiantips/mouse.htm |
| 10:16.18 | dpower | How can i setup a user account that has access to only theyre /home directory? |
| 10:16.37 | dorto | what kind of access do you mean? |
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| 10:16.51 | dpower | access to /home/<username> |
| 10:16.53 | dpower | and thats it |
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| 10:17.13 | kevix | dpower, there is nothing to stop folks from 'cd /' |
| 10:17.17 | Phated | Yeh. |
| 10:17.21 | dpower | well thats what i mean |
| 10:17.28 | just_a_poke | u mean an user that cannot open any other directory ? |
| 10:17.30 | dorto | dpower: users cannot have anything but read access to 99% of things out of their home directories |
| 10:17.31 | dpower | cant i set it so tey cant do that |
| 10:17.35 | Phated | dpower: Can't be done. |
| 10:17.41 | dpower | or i have to take away theyre read permissions |
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| 10:17.46 | bbrazil | dpower: ssh chroot. good luck |
| 10:17.59 | Phated | If they can't even read some stuff, how are they going to use ls, touch, etc.? |
| 10:18.01 | Guerin | dpower: why? |
| 10:18.04 | Joyrider | how do you expect them to run 'ls' or something without access to /bin |
| 10:18.14 | dpower | becuase i feel thats too much access |
| 10:18.16 | Guerin | dpower: you haven't thought this through properly |
| 10:18.19 | dorto | dpower, not allowing users to cd into other dirs is not a good plan |
| 10:18.24 | dpower | Guerin: yes now i see that |
| 10:18.29 | Guerin | dpower: don't 'feel' - justify it. |
| 10:18.30 | dpower | they need access to commands...haha |
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| 10:18.57 | BucWheat | when i do apt-get install php4 it wants to install apache-common and the php4 apache module i've already installed apache2. why is it doing this? |
| 10:19.04 | kevix | dpower, it they can use /bin/ they cannot do /bin/ls. |
| 10:19.04 | dorto | dpower, you can remove even read access from some of the selected dirs if you wish |
| 10:19.06 | Joyrider | if you don't trust your users that much then don't give them shell access, that's all you can do :) |
| 10:19.12 | omis | Dregga: chmod |
| 10:19.24 | kevix | BucWheat, its a dependency. ask the developer. |
| 10:19.29 | Guerin | they need access to /bin, /usr, /lib, /var, /etc, /proc, /dev and possibly /mnt |
| 10:19.29 | ove | dpower: try http://devel.reinikainen.net/docs/debian/chrootsh.php |
| 10:19.31 | Guerin | at a minimum |
| 10:19.34 | Phated | Indeed. Besides, it's write permissions you want to worry about. |
| 10:19.37 | dpower | ok, yea i should of thought that through |
| 10:19.40 | Guerin | so your idea is completely ridiculous |
| 10:19.59 | dorto | or give them write access to a folder through ftp, and let them work on some other machines and just copy the files to this machine |
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| 10:20.09 | dpower | I dont like that they can read all of my config files etc. |
| 10:20.09 | Joyrider | BucWheat: try telling apt to install libapache2-mod-php4, that might fix the dependency issue |
| 10:20.14 | dpower | but i guess i should jsut chmod them |
| 10:20.19 | BucWheat | Joyrider k |
| 10:20.21 | omis | dpower: chmod 700 /home/* |
| 10:20.23 | Guerin | dpower: whose config files? |
| 10:20.30 | dpower | daemon config files |
| 10:20.38 | omis | dpower: if u like them to read only ~ |
| 10:20.47 | kevix | dpower, unless they are root, they can ONLY read them. |
| 10:20.48 | sandman | kevix: Grrr |
| 10:20.59 | asuffield | dpower: why is your system so insecure that reading the config files would cause any kind of trouble? |
| 10:21.00 | Phated | dpower: If you don't trust them enough to let them see config files, they shouldn't have a shall. |
| 10:21.05 | Guerin | dpower: in /etc? what's the problem with that? What sensitive info do they have in them? |
| 10:21.08 | kevix | sandman, that page didn't help, |
| 10:21.33 | dpower | I guess im just paranoid then :P |
| 10:21.49 | Phated | Actually... heh, you're just insane. And not in a good way. |
| 10:22.00 | dpower | ... |
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| 10:22.12 | omis | dpower: did u chmod? |
| 10:22.13 | kevix | dpower, paranoid is good. just in this case, it is not needed. |
| 10:22.22 | nelf | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:22.37 | nohero | why does when i upgrade seems i've fonty installes but it doesn't? (blinking screen, small penguin lost..) |
| 10:22.38 | sandman | kevix: The mouse wasn't being included in the layout that's wh it wasn't working |
| 10:22.41 | nelf | That won't give me RSI |
| 10:22.46 | dpower | thanks all 659 people who responded :) |
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| 10:23.06 | bbrazil | nelf: rename |
| 10:23.16 | kevix | nelf, dont you know bash shell scripting? |
| 10:23.36 | nohero | i upgrade from sarge to etch |
| 10:23.44 | kevix | sandman, so its working now? |
| 10:23.47 | nelf | kevix: I do indeed - I'm just looking for a reasonably elegent way to do it. |
| 10:23.57 | nelf | Thanks bbrazil - I'll take a look |
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| 10:24.25 | bbrazil | nelf: careful though. its diffent on debian vs. fedora vs. mandrake |
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| 10:25.08 | nelf | bbrazil: I is on debian - cheeky enough asking shell questions in here, without using something non-deb to do it :) |
| 10:25.13 | maatttt | can anyone tell me how to figure out when http://packages.debian.org/testing/utils/rrdtool might be in stable ? |
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| 10:25.28 | Guerin | maatttt: end 2007-ish |
| 10:25.37 | Guerin | maatttt: optimistically |
| 10:25.44 | maatttt | you joke ? |
| 10:25.45 | bbrazil | nelf: you'd be supriesed :). Its more a warning in case you're working on another OS |
| 10:25.49 | Guerin | maatttt: nope. |
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| 10:26.02 | maatttt | how come so long ? |
| 10:26.02 | Guerin | maatttt: stable isn't going to change until then. |
| 10:26.09 | kevix | maatttt, things go into stable for 2 reasons. Debian releases. Debian issues a stable update. |
| 10:26.11 | internat | hmms.. |
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| 10:26.29 | maatttt | so theres no way of using Stable and rrdtool 1.2 ? |
| 10:26.36 | electron_ | hmmm, I was connected to my server via telnet, running tcpdump, it was running then the terminal just closed... |
| 10:26.40 | kevix | maatttt, backporting. |
| 10:26.41 | electron_ | thats pretty sus |
| 10:26.43 | Guerin | maatttt: you can backkport it |
| 10:26.49 | maatttt | I can ? :) |
| 10:26.55 | dark1 | any means of editing a .deb file? I have a file which says its architecture is i386 while it is actually amd64 |
| 10:27.20 | Guerin | !tell maatttt about simple sid backport |
| 10:27.22 | kevix | dark1, did you try to install it? |
| 10:27.23 | maatttt | so how do i work out which dependancy is keeping it in Testing ? |
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| 10:27.30 | maatttt | woo |
| 10:27.37 | bibe | maatttt : stable updates won't _ever_ upgrade 1.0 to 1.2, IMHO |
| 10:28.00 | kevix | bibe, you would be correct. |
| 10:28.03 | dark1 | kevix: yes; it does not install coz I am amd64 |
| 10:28.06 | Guerin | maatttt: it doesn't work that way. |
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| 10:28.41 | Guerin | maatttt: stable is released, and doesn't get new versions after that point, until the next stable is released, 18-36 months later. |
| 10:28.44 | kevix | dark1, you install an i386 deb on an amd64 machine and it didn't work? |
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| 10:28.49 | SimonRaven | doh |
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| 10:28.57 | nelf | bbrazil: perfect - thank you very much - I'd have been cranking out all sorts of shell script nonsense for ages otherwise :) |
| 10:29.06 | Guerin | !tell mattfury about private |
| 10:29.16 | dark1 | kevix: I am running debian-amd64 architecture, so the installation failed |
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| 10:29.36 | sandman | kevix: Works now yay |
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| 10:29.45 | maatttt | ok, I understand about Stable now, but surely someone has wanted rrdtool 1.2 before me. |
| 10:29.47 | kevix | dark1, I think folks are using i386 chroot? |
| 10:29.59 | scorphus | Hi, can I use alternatives to change the default GCC compiler? (default is 3.3 I want it to be 2.95) |
| 10:30.03 | bbrazil | nelf: you don't want to see some of the stuff I've done in the past |
| 10:30.07 | SimonRaven | maatttt: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 10:30.10 | Guerin | maatttt: sure. those people use testing or backport |
| 10:30.20 | Guerin | maatttt: or you might find it on backports.org or apt-get.org |
| 10:30.30 | davee | Does anyone have a reference showing (broadly) what's different between a typical Debian-package kernel-source and the vanilla kernel.org upstream source? |
| 10:30.33 | kevix | maatttt, wanted? sure. but stable is for people who dont want to lose thier jobs because the server crashed. |
| 10:30.33 | maatttt | and are there any bad side effect of sid backporting ? |
| 10:30.42 | davee | Googling proved fruitless here |
| 10:30.48 | SimonRaven | only if you fuck up |
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| 10:31.04 | dark1 | kevix: yes; but I am trying to use the test the openoffice.org builds from http://ftp.linux.cz/pub/localization/OpenOffice.org/devel/680/ooo64bit02 directory |
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| 10:31.09 | apa | anyone running sfs or has any sfs knowlege? |
| 10:31.10 | bbrazil | davee: non GPL stuff removed mostly |
| 10:31.16 | apa | i am a bit dumbstruck |
| 10:31.17 | justStormY | can anybody explain me what mkinirrd does? |
| 10:31.33 | bbrazil | davee: if you check /usr/share/doc/ there should be alisting |
| 10:31.34 | Nurbs | scorphus: you could, but probably should use another way, like the CC environment variable |
| 10:31.42 | davee | bbrazil: Is that really all? I'll check the doc |
| 10:31.47 | dark1 | justStormY: man mkinitrd |
| 10:31.52 | scorphus | Nurbs: thanks |
| 10:31.57 | kevix | justStormY, it makes an init rd? |
| 10:32.00 | bbrazil | davee: there might be some other patches thrown in too |
| 10:32.06 | apa | i have configured it right i think, i have had it running a few days ago but i just got internet now so somthing has made it not work anyone? |
| 10:32.07 | Nurbs | scorphus: depends on what you're building, though. |
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| 10:32.23 | justStormY | mh sure |
| 10:32.47 | BucWheat | i've apt-get remove apache apache2 and they are still on my box. how do i completly remove apache and apache2? |
| 10:32.48 | justStormY | but what options he need to make one? |
| 10:33.16 | apa | noone running sfs? secure file system? |
| 10:33.23 | bbrazil | BucWheat: --purge |
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| 10:33.43 | kevix | dark1, I dont have 64bit, but this should help: https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
| 10:33.46 | maatttt | hmm, nope not in backports or apt-get.org. shame. |
| 10:34.10 | apa | noone running SFS? SecureFileSystem?? |
| 10:34.25 | juh | Are there any howtos around, how to install xorg with nvidia properly I cannot get glx to work |
| 10:34.29 | scorphus | Nurbs: I understand. Should man gcc give me some hints about what env variables have to be set? |
| 10:34.36 | dark1 | but, my question is about editing the control file in the .deb package, not an amd64 howto |
| 10:34.58 | bibe | justStormY : you need an initrd if your kernel has your root's filesystem support built as a module, that's the most common reason to use an initrd image |
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| 10:35.20 | Jahooty | anyone awake? |
| 10:35.24 | BucWheat | bbrazil thanks |
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| 10:36.07 | Jahooty | i was sent a link once about a data recovery util that was being developed with some relation to debian. i have since lost the link to its web page. anyone have any clue what i'm talking about? |
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| 10:36.39 | Zvjer | hi |
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| 10:36.52 | SimonRaven | !vagueness |
| 10:36.52 | Jahooty | hello Zvjer |
| 10:36.53 | dpkg | VAGUENESS MAKES THE BABY PENGUINS CRY! |
| 10:37.03 | Zvjer | could some help me with ISDN maybe? |
| 10:37.10 | Jahooty | that's all i can remember, i knew it was a long shot |
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| 10:37.55 | kevix | juh, I use 'module-assistant' |
| 10:38.11 | stylish | #debian rocks my world |
| 10:38.18 | maatttt | in nano, there are keystrokes show as M-A and M-C etc, what is 'M' ? |
| 10:38.21 | berkes | good afternoon people |
| 10:38.28 | berkes | or morning even |
| 10:38.29 | bbrazil | maatttt: meta |
| 10:38.34 | Jahooty | module-assistant for data recovery? |
| 10:38.35 | maatttt | alt ? |
| 10:38.44 | berkes | im a little confused about /etc/hostname. |
| 10:38.47 | bbrazil | maatttt: not exactly, but it should work |
| 10:38.53 | berkes | i changed that to resemble my hostname, but i just loged in and it was back inits old state |
| 10:39.01 | bibe | juh : http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt |
| 10:39.09 | Jahooty | oh, not me ok |
| 10:39.10 | bbrazil | berkes: did the file change back? |
| 10:39.19 | berkes | bbrazil: it did |
| 10:39.30 | Zvjer | how to ask for help with ISDN and not to flood the channel? :D |
| 10:39.34 | bibe | juh : I never used it, but it seems very detailed |
| 10:39.36 | bbrazil | berkes: dhcp? |
| 10:39.37 | berkes | after a reboot, it ws back in its old state |
| 10:39.48 | justStormY | can anybody plz explain me how to make an new init rd with mkinitrd - i dont get it to work |
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| 10:39.58 | berkes | bbrazil: not that I know, no. its a webserver, afaik its all static. |
| 10:40.11 | bbrazil | berkes: thats quite odd |
| 10:40.12 | kevix | dark1, the developers reference. but I would not think it would help/work. |
| 10:40.17 | jm_ | why are you creating initrd yourself? |
| 10:40.19 | berkes | bbrazil: it is :) |
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| 10:40.30 | bbrazil | berkes: I'd grep -r hostname /etc/init.d/ |
| 10:40.44 | bibe | justStormY : what kernel are you running now ('uname -r')? what kernel are you building the initrd for? |
| 10:40.53 | berkes | the strange thing, is that a sister of that server, which i (think) i configured exactly similar does not forget its hostname |
| 10:40.57 | justStormY | jm_: because i want to crate an live debian cd and some guys told me that this is the problem that it don work |
| 10:41.00 | berkes | bbrazil: okay. |
| 10:41.25 | justStormY | 2.6.8-2 |
| 10:41.26 | berkes | hostname --file /etc/hostname bbrazilµ |
| 10:41.30 | Zvjer | I installed capiutls and encountered this error while trying to connect with "pppd call isdn/arcor": capiplugin: CAPI_REGISTER failed - CAPI not installed (0x1009) [No such device or address (6)] |
| 10:41.45 | jm_ | justStormY: man mkinitrd then |
| 10:41.46 | berkes | so, it looks liek it takes the correct place to set that hostname. |
| 10:42.06 | bbrazil | berkes: yip - looks good |
| 10:42.18 | berkes | but, /etc/hosts has nothing to do with this, right? |
| 10:42.20 | justStormY | jm_: yes but i dont get it working - think i use the wrong command |
| 10:42.22 | bibe | justStormY : 'mkinitrd -o /tmp/initrd.img-<your_kernel_version> <your_kernel_version>' |
| 10:42.23 | bbrazil | berkes: nothing |
| 10:42.28 | juh | thanks bibe |
| 10:42.59 | kevix | bibe, why save it in /tmp/? |
| 10:43.04 | bibe | where <your_kernel_version> is the kernel you want to build the initrd image for (that kernel MUST be installed in your system too) |
| 10:43.07 | berkes | hmm. strange. It could have been that i did not close a file correctly or so. for the reboot was done after a crash. then it was back in its old state. |
| 10:43.17 | justStormY | thx bibe |
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| 10:43.22 | Phated | You can move it later, why bother with trivial details like that? |
| 10:43.25 | bibe | kevix : just to avoid overwriting another /tmp |
| 10:43.28 | berkes | ill just see if it stais now, if i set it in /etc/hostnam. |
| 10:43.30 | berkes | thanks! |
| 10:43.42 | bibe | kevix : he could be in /boot |
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| 10:44.05 | bibe | kevix : not another /tmp... another initrd :) |
| 10:44.09 | Zvjer | I installed capiutls and encountered this error while trying to connect with "pppd call isdn/arcor": capiplugin: CAPI_REGISTER failed - CAPI not installed (0x1009) [No such device or address (6)] |
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| 10:45.45 | maatttt | does `apt-get build-dep` build all dependacies, does it recurse through dependancies dependancies ? |
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| 10:46.05 | kevix | maatttt, it should. |
| 10:46.18 | Guerin | maatttt: it installs the build-deps and all their deps |
| 10:46.26 | Guerin | maatttt: in theory |
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| 10:48.34 | xelam | fucking useless freenode |
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| 10:52.36 | electron_ | anyway to make xchat read mirc scripts, .mrc files |
| 10:53.00 | Nurbs | /exec cat ~/foo.mrc |
| 10:53.28 | electron_ | huh? |
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| 10:53.51 | Zvjer | I installed capiutls and encountered this error while trying to connect with "pppd call isdn/arcor": capiplugin: CAPI_REGISTER failed - CAPI not installed (0x1009) [No such device or address (6)] |
| 10:54.18 | kevix | Zvjer, it seems no one know how to fix that. |
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| 10:54.28 | xelam | . |
| 10:54.28 | Nurbs | electron_: you can make it read .mrc scripts, but not interpret them. |
| 10:54.59 | kevix | Nurbs, be nice x-) There are newbies here x-) |
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| 10:56.54 | electron_ | so I can't use them? |
| 10:57.33 | Nurbs | not with X-Chat, yes. |
| 10:57.57 | Nurbs | except in unconventional ways |
| 10:58.34 | Nurbs | /exec cat ~/foo.mrc | morse | banner is most certainly fun, too. |
| 10:58.59 | kevix | Nurbs, since I know nothing about this scripting, can script be machine translated or would they need to be hand translated? |
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| 10:59.45 | Nurbs | practically probably hand translated. |
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| 11:03.06 | joa | hi i downloaded this netinstall iso but how can i install the packages now? |
| 11:03.14 | joa | im connect thru an adsl modem |
| 11:03.21 | joa | and the installation doesnt supply pptp connection |
| 11:03.27 | joa | so how can i make my adsl connection |
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| 11:03.54 | saloxin | Zvjer: have you got drivers for your isdn card? /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel(drivers/isdn is full of capi drivers etc |
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| 11:04.12 | Zvjer | hm |
| 11:04.13 | kevix | joa, maybe using the business card iso or use the first sarge cd. |
| 11:04.49 | saloxin | Zvjer: old isa ard maybe - then you need to know the irq and ioport when modprobeing :-( |
| 11:05.01 | Zvjer | act2000 capi hardware hisax hysdn i4l icn isdnloop pcbit sc tpam |
| 11:05.16 | saloxin | Zvjer: what kind of isdn card do you have? |
| 11:05.29 | Zvjer | 0000:03:02.0 Network controller: Cologne Chip Designs GmbH ISDN network controller [HFC-PCI] (rev 02) |
| 11:05.32 | joa | kevix hmm cant i just download some pptp client and mount my windows drive on the debian and then install it there? |
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| 11:06.31 | justStormY | how can i see if the module isofs.o is loaded? |
| 11:06.42 | Zvjer | saloxin: 0000:03:02.0 Network controller: Cologne Chip Designs GmbH ISDN network controller [HFC-PCI] (rev 02) |
| 11:06.54 | jm_ | justStormY: man lsmod |
| 11:07.04 | bibe | justStormY : lsmod |grep \<isofs\> |
| 11:07.04 | nelf | justStormY: lsmod | grep iso |
| 11:07.12 | justStormY | thx |
| 11:07.15 | kevix | joa, well if you using the sarge cd #1, it will install a basic system. once you have that you can get instructinos to setup the pptp. |
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| 11:08.31 | saloxin | Zvjer: looks like a hisax card. fun fun. http://www.isdn4linux.de/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/isdn/Documentation/isdn/README.HiSax?rev=1.41.2.1 |
| 11:08.54 | joa | kevix it doesnt |
| 11:09.00 | joa | it lets you install ppp |
| 11:09.08 | joa | which requires a dialup modem |
| 11:09.11 | joa | i have adsl.. |
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| 11:10.03 | kevix | joa, I mean install install the basic system. then ask here for more info. |
| 11:10.11 | joa | i did |
| 11:10.27 | kevix | joa, so you have sarge or newer installed? |
| 11:10.36 | joa | kevix i installed the minimal installation, with that 140MB iso or something |
| 11:10.37 | Zvjer | saloxin: isn't there some debian package which does it's job? |
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| 11:11.06 | kevix | joa, oh. ok. will see if google can help.... |
| 11:11.32 | kevix | joa, what card do you have? lspci will show it. |
| 11:11.55 | saloxin | Zvjer: not for recognizing and configuring isdn cards afaik. you can try discover and pray |
| 11:12.09 | joa | my card works fine kevix.. its connected to the adsl modem, i can get 10.x address by sending a DHCP broadcats, and the modem assign me an address to eth0 |
| 11:12.20 | joa | but i need to make pptp connection to the modem in order to get my ppp0 interface up |
| 11:12.23 | saloxin | joa: what provider is this? |
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| 11:13.08 | joa | saloxin adsl |
| 11:13.43 | Guerin | joa: adsl is not a provider |
| 11:13.56 | Kibou | speaking of adsl.. why doesn't the testing net-install iso include pppoe? |
| 11:14.01 | saloxin | joa: adsl setups varies from ISP to ISP, who is your ISP, maybe someone has experience with yours |
| 11:14.02 | Guerin | joa: any more than 'gasoline' is an oil company |
| 11:14.28 | joa | saloxin oh my isp doesnt support linux so they cant help |
| 11:14.34 | saloxin | joa: blergh. |
| 11:14.48 | saloxin | joa: sure you can't use pppoe and pppoeconf? |
| 11:14.53 | Guerin | joa: that's bullshit, if they support documented protocols like pppoe and dhcp they can support you |
| 11:15.03 | Zvjer | saloxin: what does the discover program do? it lists my card but what with that? :D |
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| 11:15.16 | kevix | joa, would this help: http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/howto-debian.phtml |
| 11:15.40 | saloxin | Zvjer: in some cases it knows what to do, and loads the modules for you |
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| 11:16.00 | Zvjer | saloxin: I just run it and that's it? :) |
| 11:16.12 | saloxin | Zvjer: read the doc ^, and you should end up with something like "modprobe hisax protocol=2 type=35" |
| 11:16.23 | Zvjer | saloxin: I think I'm gonna give up configuring isdn :| |
| 11:16.27 | ChrisW | hurm, if I think a cron job should have run, but it didn't and I didn't get any mail to the account of the user who would have been running the cron job, where do I look to try and figure out wha happened? |
| 11:16.38 | saloxin | isdn ain't fun, been there done that |
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| 11:17.31 | joa | kevix this is what you use to connect to adsl? |
| 11:17.42 | jm_ | chriswk: cron logs job executions using syslog |
| 11:17.47 | ChrisW | hmm, okay, I had a look in /var/log/cron |
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| 11:18.01 | joa | anyway my more serious problem is that it detects my first hardrive as hdf and my second hardrive as hdg |
| 11:18.04 | ChrisW | and while other cron jobs are listen in there, the one I'm after is nowhere to be seen :-) |
| 11:18.07 | ChrisW | :-(, even |
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| 11:18.25 | jm_ | then verify if it's configured to run at the right time |
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| 11:19.01 | kevix | joa, if you look in /var/log/messages what is hda and hdb ... |
| 11:19.10 | s0n1 | hi |
| 11:19.11 | ChrisW | jm_: it is, it hasn't changed |
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| 11:19.17 | ChrisW | it's a snippet in /etc/cron.d |
| 11:19.34 | Zvjer | saloxin: I one had ISDN working easy on debian 3.0 with 2.4 kernel and ipppd .. and now .. hmm |
| 11:19.35 | s0n1 | how i remove version of my openssh in debian ???? |
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| 11:19.36 | s0n1 | #R@1D!!f@nt3..5y5t3M# |
| 11:19.40 | s0n1 | sucks |
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| 11:19.59 | kevix | s0n1, apt-get remove ? |
| 11:20.02 | jm_ | ChrisW: maybe re-verify everything is OK, alternatively, use touch /tmp/i_have_run in the script itself |
| 11:20.08 | s0n1 | 22/tcp open ssh OpenSSH 4.2p1 Debian-5 (protocol 2.0) |
| 11:20.11 | kronos | how do i restart apache/httpd, without killing it ? |
| 11:20.23 | s0n1 | i need remve version of ssh |
| 11:20.34 | jm_ | kronos: init scripts usually have restart action |
| 11:20.35 | kevix | kronos, I think 'kill -1' to the process. |
| 11:20.41 | Guerin | s0n1: so remove it |
| 11:20.53 | s0n1 | Guerin : remove and install compiled ? |
| 11:21.09 | jm_ | as for apache, it also has reload targe |
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| 11:21.24 | ChrisW | jm_: could permissions on the file in /etc/cron.d have an effect? |
| 11:21.35 | kronos | like ... initd, anyway, can you give me the exact command string ? |
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| 11:22.19 | Guerin | !wayttd s0n1 |
| 11:22.20 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, s0n1? |
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| 11:22.33 | Guerin | s0n1: why do you want to remove the debian openssh packages? |
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| 11:23.38 | liable_ | !hi |
| 11:23.39 | dpkg | hello, liable_ |
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| 11:24.01 | bibe | s0n1 : nmap's openssh version detection doesn't depend on server's settings... |
| 11:24.27 | jm_ | ChrisW: most likely yes, use the same as for /etc/crontab |
| 11:24.28 | liable_ | hmm, i may have finally fixed my ongoing modem problem :) |
| 11:25.22 | ChrisW | jm_: hurm, well, it's the same as the other files in there, and they ran fine |
| 11:25.33 | ChrisW | mindyou, this one ran fine yesterday, and it hasn't changed since then :-( |
| 11:25.42 | jm_ | ChrisW: so that's not a problem then, must be either format of the file or it really does run |
| 11:25.45 | Guerin | oh wtf, he's paranoid about nmap's openssh detection? |
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| 11:26.08 | bibe | Guerin : it seems so |
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| 11:26.16 | Guerin | t00l |
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| 11:26.30 | Guerin | it's what nmap is, and what an admin shouldn't be |
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| 11:26.47 | ChrisW | jm_: well, it really doens't run ;-) |
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| 11:26.51 | ChrisW | but the file hasn't changed |
| 11:26.59 | ChrisW | since it last ran successfully |
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| 11:27.26 | jm_ | ChrisW: how often is it supposed to run? |
| 11:27.37 | ChrisW | once a day, at 4:30am |
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| 11:27.49 | ChrisW | and it did yesterday, and the day ebfore, and the day before that |
| 11:27.52 | ChrisW | just not today |
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| 11:27.57 | ChrisW | so I gotta ty and figure out what changed ;-( |
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| 11:28.44 | jm_ | not even the filename changed? |
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| 11:29.24 | ChrisW | jm_: nope |
| 11:29.25 | ChrisW | squat |
| 11:29.34 | ChrisW | hence the confusion on my part |
| 11:29.34 | jm_ | pretty weird |
| 11:29.43 | jm_ | not easy to debug either |
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| 11:30.16 | ChrisW | anyone else been pm'ed by s0n1? |
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| 11:30.30 | ChrisW | jm_: yeah, I know :-( |
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| 11:30.47 | ChrisW | the script seems to run fine by hand |
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| 11:32.41 | jm_ | it's not script issue if it doesn't show up in logs |
| 11:32.49 | ChrisW | yeah, I know |
| 11:32.56 | ChrisW | I just had to run the script anyway :-S |
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| 11:35.14 | encompass | so how can I check to se if I have cpufreqd starting at boot without restarting? |
| 11:35.28 | NOthsouth | how can i change my computers name ? |
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| 11:39.08 | stylish | hello |
| 11:39.09 | sep | NOthsouth, edit /etc/hostname, /etc/mailname, /etc/hosts |
| 11:39.57 | jgonzalez | hi |
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| 11:41.49 | notty | hello, i have a problem.. sufferd a severe fs crash.. recoverd most of the data from it.. but i still have some problems.. how is it posible to recover the pkg list ? i have intact /var/cache/apt directory... what files do i need and what do i have to do ? |
| 11:42.08 | bibe | hmm... I can't get it. DSA 881-1 (openssl096) shows a matrix of version and distributions where the vulnerability it refers to is solved. Although the advisory refers to openssl096 source package and libssl0.9.6 binaries, the matrix shows sarge version 0.9.7e-3sarge1 of openssl binary package, and it doesn't exist on security.debian.org. Hasn't that package been released yet? |
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| 11:43.37 | Fubarovic | i'm getting an error from apt-get saying some package's file list is missing a final newline |
| 11:43.43 | Fubarovic | now apt won't install anything |
| 11:43.46 | Fubarovic | how do i solve that ? |
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| 11:44.14 | moo[work] | hi, how do i do dist-upgrade for experimental? |
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| 11:44.37 | Guerin | moo[work]: you don't, it's impossible. |
| 11:44.42 | eps | moo you don't |
| 11:44.46 | Zvjer | Fubarovic: where are you from? :) |
| 11:44.51 | bibe | moo[work] : it's insane |
| 11:44.55 | Guerin | moo[work]: and if you have to ask how, you most certainly don't want to even THINK about using experimental |
| 11:44.56 | Fubarovic | euh, why, Zvjer ? |
| 11:44.56 | moo[work] | Guerin: but i need one package, that its in experimental |
| 11:45.03 | Guerin | bibe: it's not isane, it's impossible. |
| 11:45.14 | Guerin | moo[work]: nobody NEEDS a package in experimental |
| 11:45.14 | Zvjer | Fubarovic: funny nickname :) |
| 11:45.24 | Fubarovic | yeah, my nick is actually FUBAR |
| 11:45.30 | Fubarovic | but since it's not that original ... |
| 11:45.36 | eps | moo then add experimental, grab the packages then remove the source, if you have to ask how to do that DO NOT DO IT |
| 11:45.38 | Fubarovic | i give it a russian tint ;) |
| 11:45.41 | Guerin | moo[work]: no |
| 11:45.44 | Guerin | eps: no |
| 11:45.51 | moo[work] | yes i need, debian its much retarded, but i need to use debian in this case. and i need one experimental package |
| 11:45.55 | moo[work] | how to do it? |
| 11:45.56 | Zvjer | Fubarovic: aha, nice :) |
| 11:46.00 | eps | Guerin I grabbed 00o2 that way, caused some problems the other day though - so yes, bad idea :P |
| 11:46.04 | Guerin | moo[work]: figure it out for yourself |
| 11:46.09 | eps | moo which package? |
| 11:46.10 | Guerin | !experimental |
| 11:46.11 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. |
| 11:46.20 | Guerin | note last line ^ |
| 11:46.20 | moo[work] | eps: otrs 2.x... |
| 11:46.26 | eps | moo why not compile it? |
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| 11:47.02 | moo[work] | eps: for compilations, i have gentoo or lfs |
| 11:47.20 | eps | moo...right |
| 11:47.45 | liable | !moo |
| 11:47.45 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 11:47.47 | eps | I played with gentoo the other day...it is insane, far to much effort just to use linux, aptitude and sarge installer owns it hands down :P |
| 11:47.59 | Fubarovic | hm, i just emptied out the file that apt-get was complaining about and now it's working again. is that an ugly solution? |
| 11:48.07 | Guerin | moo[work]: packages.debian.org - but you're on your own. If it breaks things, all you'll get in here is ITYS |
| 11:48.15 | liable | Fubarovic: what file? |
| 11:48.26 | Guerin | eps: i find that as well, and it gets to be more work the longer you keep your install |
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| 11:49.26 | Fubarovic | liable /var/lib/dpkg/info/samba.list |
| 11:49.34 | Fubarovic | apt-get kept telling me it was missing a final newline |
| 11:49.36 | eps | Guerin we were playing with gentoo for use in a new production server at work too...it lasted about six minutes till we blew away the install and tried the next distro on the list :P |
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| 11:50.06 | Zvjer | Fubarovic: do you have experience with isdn? |
| 11:50.12 | liable | Fubarovic: why didnt you just add a newline? did you check bts? and if there isnt a bug, file one. |
| 11:50.17 | Fubarovic | none whatsoever, Zvjer :/ |
| 11:50.25 | Fubarovic | liable, i added a newline first |
| 11:50.27 | Fubarovic | didn't help tho |
| 11:50.31 | theD3viL | What i must install to enable my printer HP 5150 ? |
| 11:50.33 | Fubarovic | but samba isn't installed (anymore) |
| 11:50.41 | Guerin | !printer |
| 11:50.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, printer is a device that allows you to put things from your computer onto paper, envelopes, or whatever. don't forget to check http://www.linuxprinting.org, or a hardcopy output device. easy to set up using foomatic-gui |
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| 11:50.53 | jm_ | the3;spooler of some kind |
| 11:50.56 | Zvjer | Fubarovic: ok |
| 11:50.59 | jm_ | theD3viL ^^^^^ |
| 11:51.12 | theD3viL | jm_, ;) |
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| 11:52.59 | Guerin | eps: yeah, I'd never use gentoo for anything I cared about |
| 11:53.12 | theD3viL | jm_, qtorrent is good btw :) |
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| 11:53.20 | Guerin | eps: just can't be sure what's going to break horribly from one day to the next |
| 11:53.21 | jm_ | theD3viL: rtorrent still owns it |
| 11:53.38 | theD3viL | jm_, yes, for the peoples who have unstable system ;) |
| 11:53.53 | jm_ | theD3viL: unstable? it's very stable |
| 11:54.11 | Guerin | FAR more stable than any of the python and java clients |
| 11:54.18 | Guerin | but it's not in stable |
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| 11:54.24 | theD3viL | jm_, why then debian says its unstable ? |
| 11:54.27 | jm_ | ahh I think he means because it's only in Etch/sid |
| 11:54.32 | Guerin | yeah |
| 11:54.34 | jm_ | theD3viL: that doesn't mean the software is unstable |
| 11:54.45 | theD3viL | jm_, what about ? |
| 11:55.29 | jm_ | theD3viL: it's sometimes true, and sometimes not - more often not though, and it also depends on software in question |
| 11:55.57 | theD3viL | jm_, do you have sid or arch? |
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| 11:56.46 | jm_ | theD3viL: no, I use Sarge |
| 11:57.20 | theD3viL | jm_, me too..but why if you said that sid isnt unstable? I cant get answers for long long time |
| 11:57.40 | eps | haha |
| 11:57.49 | electron_ | howto unzip .tar |
| 11:57.51 | eps | sid is perfectly stable...if you are used to using windows :) |
| 11:57.53 | jm_ | theD3viL: I said that not all software versions in sid are not unstable |
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| 11:58.03 | wOOt | LOL |
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| 11:58.08 | electron_ | vqf? |
| 11:58.10 | theD3viL | jm_, aha ;) |
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| 11:58.53 | apa | i am n00b |
| 11:58.58 | eps | we guessed |
| 11:58.58 | apa | can oyou help me? |
| 11:58.58 | MrSeb | hi, someone know a project with high availability and high performance? I've seen many, but the linux director is only a machine with backup-machine and I want more director machines, with failover capabilities... |
| 11:59.05 | apa | i cnanot ping my localhosts |
| 11:59.08 | eps | don't ask to ask, just ask or bugger off |
| 11:59.10 | apa | local workstations |
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| 11:59.59 | Guerin | apa: why not? |
| 12:00.03 | electron_ | how do I unzip .tar ? |
| 12:00.11 | apa | i do not know |
| 12:00.12 | jm_ | electron_: man tar |
| 12:00.17 | apa | i can ping by ip |
| 12:00.19 | DiS-K | One of the users on my system is running a php script whill consumes a lot of memory and for some reason an apache process will stay running using 10% memory (according to top) after the php scripts has finished. Can someone give me directions where I should look to find the problem with it? |
| 12:00.19 | apa | but not names |
| 12:00.21 | Guerin | MrSeb: google high availability linux |
| 12:00.37 | Guerin | apa: fix your dns or whatever else you use to look up hosts |
| 12:00.39 | liable | apa: so put there names in /etc/hosts |
| 12:00.52 | apa | i have put the names in hostst |
| 12:01.01 | apa | Guerin: ? |
| 12:01.03 | Guerin | DiS-K: #php, #apache |
| 12:01.14 | Guerin | apa: what is unclear about my suggestion? |
| 12:01.16 | MrSeb | Guerin: I've already do it, but all the project I've seen are only with one director |
| 12:01.16 | apa | i have a server |
| 12:01.21 | Guerin | apa: and what is the error you get |
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| 12:01.36 | jm_ | !tell apa -about enter |
| 12:01.38 | apa | and the server runs bind for the local network |
| 12:01.58 | Guerin | apa: so make it do its job. If you don't know how, read the Bind Manual |
| 12:02.05 | Guerin | apa: and/or ask in #dns |
| 12:02.22 | Guerin | apa: or hire a competent admin who can do it |
| 12:02.27 | MrSeb | Guerin: I need parallel directors, not only backup, and if one fail the others take its place |
| 12:02.38 | apa | Guerin: no no |
| 12:02.38 | Guerin | MrSeb: ok. Can't help you there. |
| 12:02.42 | Guerin | apa: yes yes |
| 12:02.43 | apa | i have the names in /hosts |
| 12:02.45 | saloxin | MrSeb: what applications do you need HA/LB for? |
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| 12:02.56 | apa | should it not work then? |
| 12:02.57 | jm_ | what's the point of using bind if you have them in /etc/hosts? |
| 12:03.08 | Guerin | apa: depends if you have the right stuff in hosts |
| 12:03.08 | jm_ | only if resolver is configured to look in /etc/hosts |
| 12:03.13 | saloxin | MrSeb: put up 2 directors in active passive mode with heartbeat, and throw in a server pool behind them |
| 12:03.13 | Guerin | and |
| 12:03.17 | Guerin | yeah, what jm_ said |
| 12:03.25 | apa | Guerin: i have it has worked before |
| 12:03.31 | apa | i think my problem is DOMAIN |
| 12:03.34 | apa | i do not know what that is |
| 12:03.37 | apa | or i know what it is |
| 12:03.41 | apa | but not how to configure it |
| 12:03.42 | Guerin | apa: man hosts |
| 12:04.07 | apa | Guerin: i have rtfm |
| 12:04.13 | apa | thats not the problem |
| 12:04.33 | apa | if i start my server it should read from /etc/hosts |
| 12:04.36 | apa | but it dosent |
| 12:04.46 | apa | and i get non-inetaddr errors |
| 12:04.47 | apa | too |
| 12:04.48 | jm_ | pretty strange that he knows where there are no problems, yet it still doesn't work |
| 12:04.48 | Guerin | apa: WHICH server? |
| 12:04.56 | apa | my server |
| 12:04.58 | notty | hello, i have a problem.. sufferd a severe fs crash.. recoverd most of the data from it.. but i still have some problems.. how is it posible to recover the pkg list ? i have intact /var/cache/apt directory... what files do i need and what do i have to do ? |
| 12:05.07 | Fubarovic | does anyone know if there's a .deb for folding@home-client ? |
| 12:05.17 | jm_ | notty: of installed packages? that's not there, dpkg takes care of it |
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| 12:05.23 | notty | hello, i have a problem.. sufferd a severe fs crash.. recoverd most of the data from it.. but i still have some problems.. how is it posible to recover the pkg list ? i have intact /var/cache/apt directory... what files do i need and what do i have to do ? |
| 12:05.33 | Guerin | apa: if your /etc/hosts file is correct, then it should work for things which use it to look up hosts |
| 12:05.46 | Guerin | apa: not all clients use /etc/hosts |
| 12:05.48 | notty | jm_: and how can i recover the data |
| 12:05.53 | jm_ | notty: what data? |
| 12:05.55 | apa | Guerin: you are not much help |
| 12:06.04 | Guerin | apa: you aren't giving me any useful information |
| 12:06.09 | MrSeb | saloxin: I need more capabilities to manage traffic, with two directors, one active and one passive, only one at time work... I desire to realize something like four directors... and if one fail the others three works |
| 12:06.17 | apa | Guerin: if i setup /etc/hosts on a computor that computor should be able to ping localhost but it cantr |
| 12:06.21 | apa | understnad? |
| 12:06.30 | Guerin | apa: your /etc/hosts is wrong, then. |
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| 12:06.36 | apa | but i can ping 127.0.0.1 |
| 12:06.45 | notty | jm_: to make the story short.. i had a fs crash... all data is now in lost+found in a good state.. anyway... i want a list of pkgs that was installed on that system.. how can i obtain that ? |
| 12:06.47 | justStormY | löl |
| 12:06.47 | jm_ | you fucked up hosts file |
| 12:06.54 | wOOt | 192.168.1.9 txarlux.jakingzone txarlux |
| 12:06.55 | jm_ | notty: status file |
| 12:07.00 | apa | but i can ping 127.0.0.1 |
| 12:07.09 | liable | apa: paste the file somewhere |
| 12:07.11 | apa | and other host ips |
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| 12:07.22 | Guerin | apa: yes, which shows that it definitely IS your hosts file which is fuckjed |
| 12:07.32 | apa | 127.0.0.1 localhost.domain.org localhost |
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| 12:07.37 | surfdue | hihiihihihihihi! |
| 12:07.43 | lewis | I upgraded my 2.4.31 kernel, changing HZ=1000. Everything works, except 'top' CPU usage is off by a factor of 10. Any ideas? |
| 12:07.45 | Tortel | !hi |
| 12:07.45 | dpkg | hello, tortel |
| 12:07.56 | notty | jm_: ok found the status file.. now what should i do ? |
| 12:08.05 | Beik | notty: dpkg --root /mnt/oldroot --get-selections |
| 12:08.18 | saloxin | MrSeb: afaik ldirectord doesn't do active-active. what is the cluster supposed to do? |
| 12:08.22 | jm_ | notty: have a beer to celebrate success? |
| 12:08.27 | Guerin | lewis: i think 2.4 kernels use HZ=100 |
| 12:08.31 | Guerin | lewis: why did you change it? |
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| 12:08.36 | notty | jm_ excuse me ? |
| 12:08.54 | Tortel | notty: Look for anything weird |
| 12:08.55 | Tortel | :P |
| 12:08.57 | jm_ | notty: you asked me what you should do - I said "drink a can of beer" |
| 12:08.58 | saloxin | MrSeb: depending on your needs wackamole might do the job. or dns |
| 12:09.04 | Guerin | eew, beer in cans |
| 12:09.13 | jm_ | ok a bottle then |
| 12:09.14 | Tortel | cans are cheaper |
| 12:09.16 | Tortel | i think |
| 12:09.29 | Guerin | kegs are cheapest |
| 12:09.30 | jm_ | I noticed they have them in plastic bottles too, didn't spot that before |
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| 12:09.41 | Guerin | jm_: yeah, plastiques are huge in korea |
| 12:09.44 | jm_ | or rather, they were not common here |
| 12:09.45 | MrSeb | saloxin: bind, mysql, sendmail and apache |
| 12:10.11 | saloxin | MrSeb: mysql will be tricky |
| 12:10.18 | notty | Beik : that dosen't work.. the fs has no directorys now.. it has only lost_found and all the files mixed in there |
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| 12:10.38 | notty | so there is a way to get selections from those files (like status ?) |
| 12:10.41 | jm_ | notty: yor best bet is to reinstall and then copy vital data from lost_found over |
| 12:11.08 | jm_ | sure, dpkg-awk or grep will do find |
| 12:11.14 | notty | jm_: that is what i am doing |
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| 12:11.28 | jm_ | fine even |
| 12:11.35 | notty | jm_: and i am trying to recover the pkgs list |
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| 12:11.54 | jm_ | notty: use dpkg-awk on recovered status file to generate a list |
| 12:12.48 | liable | cans are way lighter when you are pissed and have to carry all your empties away from the beach/the park/the jetty/the boat etc :) |
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| 12:13.10 | jm_ | there are also articles written by people who lost /var and then described how they have recovered from it - your situation seems to be far less severe though |
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| 12:14.58 | notty | jm_ ok i installed dplg-awk but i can't get it how it outputs a selection |
| 12:15.03 | SuperSox | Hi, I'm getting the following error when I try to compile a c program, I assume I'm missing some libraries or soemthing but I don't know what they are or how to find out what they are, could anyone punt me in the right direction? hello.c:7:19: stdio.h: No such file or directory |
| 12:15.43 | Beik | SuperSox: lol |
| 12:15.52 | lewis | I upgraded my 2.4.31 kernel, changing HZ=1000 (increasing by a factor of 10). Everything works, except 'top' CPU usage is off by a factor of 10. Any ideas? |
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| 12:16.00 | wOOt | Sunblade, install gcc, libc-dev, make |
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| 12:16.31 | Guerin | lewis: are you paying attention? |
| 12:16.46 | lewis | I changed it for latency reasons |
| 12:16.49 | nkuttler | SuperSox: install libc6-dev |
| 12:16.52 | jolly- | is it not possbile to configure packages from source with dpkg or debian? |
| 12:16.57 | jolly- | is there any paramter you can use |
| 12:16.59 | SuperSox | nkuttler: ahh thanks :) |
| 12:17.02 | Beik | SuperSox, apt-get install build-essential |
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| 12:17.20 | jm_ | notty: it doesn't output the same format, but it's trivial to do that yourself by pipe-ing into awk or perl or ... |
| 12:17.26 | lewis | the hz=1000 aspect works, just top is reporting the wrong CPU usage amounts... |
| 12:17.39 | Guerin | lewis: because 2.4 kernels use HZ=100 |
| 12:17.40 | SuperSox | nkuttler: ahh thanks :) |
| 12:17.45 | SuperSox | err, wrong line |
| 12:18.02 | lewis | Guerin: I edited /includes/asm-i386/param.h and change the HZ value to 1000 |
| 12:18.03 | SuperSox | Beik: nkuttler: thanks muchly.. it suddenly seems obvious too... ;) :) |
| 12:18.07 | Guerin | jolly-: nothing's stopping you from downloading the source packages and changing the makefiles |
| 12:18.15 | lewis | Guerin: I then recompiled the kernel, and restarted. |
| 12:18.36 | Guerin | lewis: so you keep saying. I think you'll note the correlation between the change you made and what top displays. |
| 12:18.48 | lewis | I know - but is it possible to get a 'patched top' |
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| 12:18.59 | lewis | or similar. |
| 12:19.14 | Guerin | lewis: the next question is: why are you using a 2.4 kernel if you want low latency? 2.6 kernels are much more geared towards that. |
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| 12:19.28 | Guerin | lewis: anything's possibly. You'd probably need to hack on it yourself. |
| 12:19.41 | Caroch | hello |
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| 12:19.58 | rocesar6 | ff |
| 12:20.08 | Guerin | s |
| 12:20.10 | lewis | I wanted to upgrade an old machine, but didn't want to deal with too many changes (i.e. 2.4 -> 2.6 upgrade). Additionally, I performed the same change on a 2.4.27 kernel, and top had no problems. |
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| 12:20.27 | Caroch | I'm having trouble booting a computer via network and PXE... I've setup a dhcp server and a tftp server but the computer which boots doesn't even seem to find the dhcp server. I'm sure the computers are physically connected, and the firewalls are disabled... what could be wrong ? |
| 12:20.37 | close_to_debian | How do i specify ad0 in grub |
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| 12:20.39 | Guerin | lewis: i guess this is something to talk to lkml about. |
| 12:20.47 | close_to_debian | hd0,11 |
| 12:20.55 | Guerin | lewis: does it really make that much of a latency difference? |
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| 12:20.58 | close_to_debian | hd0,1a |
| 12:21.11 | jm_ | lewis: same version of top? |
| 12:21.15 | close_to_debian | hd0,1,a |
| 12:21.21 | lewis | jm_: not sure - good question |
| 12:21.34 | lewis | what package is top in again? |
| 12:21.39 | close_to_debian | How do i specify ad0 in grub, Please help |
| 12:21.44 | Guerin | !tell lewis about search |
| 12:21.47 | close_to_debian | hd0,1,a |
| 12:22.17 | jm_ | info grub -> Naming convention |
| 12:22.34 | liable | wth is ad0? |
| 12:22.36 | lewis | procps :) |
| 12:22.52 | close_to_debian | '/dev/hda1 |
| 12:23.01 | Caroch | please! I'm getting desperate... |
| 12:23.05 | close_to_debian | Thats where i installed freebsd |
| 12:23.34 | jm_ | and info grub -> Filesystem |
| 12:23.37 | lewis | jm_: the versions of procps, 3.2.1-2, are the same on both 2.4 machines. One machine is 2.4.27, one is 2.4.31, both with HZ=1000. |
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| 12:24.07 | lewis | The 2.4.31 machine reports CPU usage (with top) out, by a factor of 10. |
| 12:24.28 | jm_ | lewis: beats me then, perhaps something else was changed too |
| 12:25.04 | wOOt | Caroch, are u able to scan the dhcp port? |
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| 12:25.12 | dvsdude | Caroch, check out info on k12 project might help http://k12ltsp.org/server.html |
| 12:25.17 | lewis | one question though. how often should the output of 'ps' be changed? (i.e. if you ran the command three times in a row) |
| 12:25.51 | jm_ | it updates each time you run it |
| 12:25.57 | lewis | hmm |
| 12:26.19 | Caroch | w00t, I'm able to run dhclient on a third computer, so I think the dhcp server does work |
| 12:26.30 | lewis | mine seems to remain the same. |
| 12:26.36 | Caroch | dvsdude, I'll have a look, thanks |
| 12:26.53 | jm_ | and you're sure it should change? |
| 12:27.09 | dvsdude | Caroch, they use a diskless client and pxe boot |
| 12:27.26 | lewis | well, not even the CPU usage changes. a process using constantly 5.2% CPU for 5 mins? |
| 12:27.35 | jm_ | that sounds highly unusual |
| 12:28.28 | jm_ | might want to recompile top with updated HZ value |
| 12:28.49 | lewis | is HZ stated in the top source? |
| 12:29.07 | jm_ | no, it's in /usr/include |
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| 12:31.26 | coreyo | Is anyone here successfully running an ati radeon with ati drivers (on the stock 2.6.12 kernel) , and getting direct rendering to work? If so, did you have to do anything special to enable it? |
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| 12:32.31 | faljse | depends on radeon.. my 7500 works.. |
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| 12:33.38 | Tortel | What 3d modeling programs work in debian besides wings3d? |
| 12:33.54 | dvsdude | blender |
| 12:33.54 | faljse | blender |
| 12:34.13 | Caroch | hmm.. the dhcp server works, the tftp server works, the network works... but the computer just won't boot. :( |
| 12:36.08 | lewis | jm_: sorry, could you explain what is in /usr/include, that helps with modifying procps or top... |
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| 12:40.23 | close_to_debian | I have booted to BSD :) |
| 12:40.32 | close_to_debian | But can find sysinstall :( |
| 12:40.38 | close_to_debian | *cant |
| 12:41.39 | liable | close_to_debian: um, wrong channel? |
| 12:41.51 | close_to_debian | Yes :) |
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| 12:42.26 | ralf | hi all |
| 12:42.31 | ralf | my connection lost packets |
| 12:42.34 | ralf | and I get this: |
| 12:42.37 | ralf | NET: 214 messages suppressed. |
| 12:42.37 | ralf | ip_conntrack: table full, dropping packet. |
| 12:42.38 | liable | >>>close_to_debian is now known as not_so_close_to_debian :P |
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| 12:43.33 | theD3viL | How to mount .bin files without buring ? |
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| 12:43.41 | theD3viL | *burning |
| 12:44.22 | lewis | I have just noticed something interesting about my CPU usage problem. When I press '1' in top, to see both CPUs, the usage is reported correctly there. The error is in the process list beneath, where the usage has inceased by a factor of ten-fold. For the moment, to ascertain the CPU usuage, I will just look at the top two values in top. |
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| 12:44.43 | jm_ | theD3viL: cdemu |
| 12:44.54 | theD3viL | jm_, apt? |
| 12:45.01 | jm_ | theD3viL: no, it's a kernel patch |
| 12:45.07 | Rawplayer | re |
| 12:45.10 | theD3viL | hm? |
| 12:45.20 | xwl | Hi. Suppose i want to download 1000 urls syncronally with wget. But |
| 12:45.21 | xwl | memory will exhaust if starting all of 1000 wget processes at a time. So |
| 12:45.21 | xwl | just wondering how to run most processes without avoid exhausting |
| 12:45.21 | xwl | memory? |
| 12:45.21 | jm_ | lewis: the value of HZ is in /usr/include |
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| 12:45.41 | theD3viL | jm_, and what i must do ? |
| 12:46.00 | jm_ | xwl: wget doesn't even support parallel requests |
| 12:46.30 | xwl | jm_: yes. i use "wget sth &".. |
| 12:46.50 | ircdevil | i have alienated this rpm package to get a deb. and dpkg -i whatever.deb uses the root partition for unpacking and installation. can i prevent this? |
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| 12:47.22 | Guerin | xwl: why not one after another? |
| 12:47.22 | jm_ | xwl: tried using puf instead? |
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| 12:47.22 | jm_ | theD3viL: go to cdemu page and read |
| 12:47.23 | xwl | Guerin: speed is too slow.. |
| 12:47.34 | electron_ | how do I play a movie in a small window with mplayer, not full screen, I can't figure it out |
| 12:47.35 | xwl | jm_: er, what's `puf'? |
| 12:47.47 | jm_ | xwl: apt-cache show puf |
| 12:47.50 | electron_ | how do I play a movie in a small window with mplayer, not full screen, I can't figure it out |
| 12:47.54 | Guerin | electron_: mplayer plays at 1:1 by default |
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| 12:48.05 | Guerin | electron_: man mplayer tells you how to scale it further |
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| 12:49.26 | Beik | ircdevil: man dpkg |
| 12:49.28 | ProperMadDad | hum is there a movie player that will support HDTV in linux ? |
| 12:49.43 | Hentai^XP | Anyone in that knows about debian on sparc? |
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| 12:50.01 | electron_ | I want to play it on the desktop |
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| 12:50.08 | elephantman | Is there a way to create a video file on-the-fly from jpeg files ? |
| 12:50.26 | xwl | jm_: hmm, it supports parallel. why doesn't wget support this?.. |
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| 12:51.57 | jm_ | xwl: I don't know, I didn't write it |
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| 12:54.02 | xwl | jm_: hehe.. but what if i still want to run many `puf' processes so |
| 12:54.03 | xwl | as to finish downloads ASAP.. |
| 12:54.19 | jm_ | xwl: there's no need for that, run just one |
| 12:55.38 | aimtrainer | hi everybody! got a q: When I copy something from the console or kate or any app and then close the app I cannot paste the text or the file anywhere else. Is there a way of changing that? |
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| 12:56.39 | jm_ | I think you should just copy it to primary buffer and from there to your app |
| 12:57.15 | Sitron[] | I have installed debian-amd64.. But now there is a debian-pure64? What is the difference? |
| 12:57.27 | Sitron[] | Can I switch? |
| 12:58.23 | aimtrainer | jm_ how to do that? I always used strg+c or rightclick copy |
| 12:58.47 | jm_ | aimtrainer: not entirely sure about the issue, I never investigated it, but maybe xcutsel will help |
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| 12:59.21 | DiS-K | aimtrainer, you can't really fix that, it's like that by design of X |
| 12:59.36 | dvsdude | elephantman, check this might help https://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=3456&group_id=5776#ss4.1 |
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| 12:59.51 | electron_ | Is there a gui for mplayer? |
| 12:59.55 | jm_ | yes |
| 12:59.55 | lewis | jm_: know which file? |
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| 12:59.59 | dvsdude | electron_, gmplayer |
| 13:00.05 | aimtrainer | DiS-K ... ._. that sux |
| 13:00.08 | jm_ | lewis: not off top of my head, probably in asm or linux dir |
| 13:00.10 | aimtrainer | but thx for the info |
| 13:00.21 | DiS-K | aimtrainer, gnome 2.12 tries to fix it by extending the copy/paste function with their own code. There is also a clipboard daemon that fixes it, but it works with text only |
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| 13:00.52 | gromgull | got a new motherboard cpu today, need to recompile kernel to get nvidia ide support in - but doing make-kpkg gives me lots of make: i486-linux-gnu-gcc : commande not found - then complains about "Please specify a subarch, and try again.. " |
| 13:01.01 | gromgull | is this the recent gcc upgrade issue? |
| 13:01.25 | theD3viL | jm_, can i ask you .. are you using kde or gnome or something else? |
| 13:01.36 | jm_ | theD3viL: no, I don't use either of them, just icewm |
| 13:01.38 | liable | bash! |
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| 13:01.47 | bibe | gromgull : do you run sarge? etch? sid? |
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| 13:01.58 | electron_ | I haev mplayer, do I have to install gmplayer? |
| 13:02.02 | theD3viL | jm_, lol i wanna use icewm, but there is no ROX ?! |
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| 13:02.15 | liable | electron_: no |
| 13:02.16 | gromgull | bibe, sarge... |
| 13:02.29 | xwl | electron_: compile mplayer with --enable-gui |
| 13:02.31 | bibe | gromgull : so there was no gcc upgrade |
| 13:02.40 | jm_ | theD3viL: I can't say I particularly care about ROX |
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| 13:02.49 | bibe | gromgull : did you install build-essential? |
| 13:02.50 | elephantman | What is the best way if i want to 'duplicate' my whole system+files on a new computer ? |
| 13:02.56 | gromgull | it's worked fine before |
| 13:03.00 | gromgull | i have built the kernel many times... |
| 13:03.01 | theD3viL | jm_, so you dont have icons .. ? |
| 13:03.05 | jm_ | elephantman: hard disk upgrade mini howto |
| 13:03.07 | jm_ | theD3viL: nope |
| 13:03.10 | theD3viL | and nautilis |
| 13:03.12 | gromgull | but i haven't got the machine here, so i can't check... |
| 13:03.14 | elephantman | jm_: ok thanx |
| 13:03.18 | electron_ | xwl, how do I do that? |
| 13:03.33 | electron_ | after ./configure ? |
| 13:03.52 | aimtrainer | DiS-K that's better than the way it is now -I think I'll try that daemon |
| 13:03.52 | theD3viL | jm_, aha..but do you thing if i install icewm firefox and etc. will opens faster? |
| 13:03.59 | xwl | electron_: ./configure --enable-gui |
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| 13:04.21 | liable | electron_: why are you compiling it? |
| 13:04.24 | lewis | jm_: in asm/param.h, HZ is 1000, USER_HZ is 100 - that looks like the cause |
| 13:04.32 | gromgull | bibe, i can't remember the exact message, but it looked almost exactly like this: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-french/2005/06/msg00942.html (only in english_ |
| 13:05.11 | liable | electron_: you can get debs from marillat |
| 13:05.11 | xwl | electron_: or you could use pre-compiled mplayer out there. |
| 13:05.14 | jm_ | theD3viL: naah most likely not |
| 13:05.27 | theD3viL | jm_, aha tnx |
| 13:05.34 | bibe | gromgull : did you configure your kernel before launching make-kpkg? |
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| 13:06.35 | gromgull | yep |
| 13:07.46 | bibe | gromgull : and did you enable 486 architecture? |
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| 13:08.23 | gromgull | bibe, i am wondering now, if this machine maybe runs testing, not sarge... it's been offline for months, so I can't quite remember... |
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| 13:08.57 | gromgull | bibe, It's the same config that built fine before with another athlon cpu, before moving countries fried the cpu/motherboard... |
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| 13:10.04 | gromgull | has testing had a gcc upgrade, or unstable only? |
| 13:10.49 | bibe | gromgull : can't you compile the same kernel on a trusted machine, then copy the .deb? well, etch (testing) too had a gcc upgrade. |
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| 13:12.06 | gromgull | that is quite a good plan - i'll copy .config to laptop and compile there! |
| 13:12.25 | Hentai^XP | Anyone know about tftp booting with debian? |
| 13:12.37 | Guerin | !anyone use tftp booting with debian |
| 13:12.41 | dpkg | No, no one uses tftp booting with debian, not even the people who use it. |
| 13:12.57 | Hentai^XP | that dosen't even help |
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| 13:13.21 | bibe | gromgull : it's _always_ better to use release names (woody, sarge, etch...) instead of "flavours" (stable, testing) in /etc/apt/sources.list, especially for machines that can be left offline for months |
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| 13:14.36 | electron_ | Error: X11 support required for GUI compilation |
| 13:14.36 | electron_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:14.49 | electron_ | in compiling MPLAYER |
| 13:15.00 | gromgull | good point - i see why now... |
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| 13:15.04 | Guerin | !wayc electron_ |
| 13:15.05 | ipixnic | do you have any graphical interface? |
| 13:15.05 | dpkg | electron_: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 13:15.11 | electron_ | I can't use the deb one, i have some files that are too new |
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| 13:15.13 | Roey | hi |
| 13:15.18 | electron_ | I'll show you mate |
| 13:15.21 | Roey | my /var/cache/apt is 6 GiB. Is there a config setting that limits the size of Apt's package cache? How do I enforce it if it's already over that limit? |
| 13:15.24 | Guerin | electron_: which files? |
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| 13:15.32 | gromgull | electron install some libX-dev package... |
| 13:15.45 | aimtrainer | would anyone know ho I can get rid of the trayicon of the klipper (clipboard-tool) without closing it or closing the entire tray icon thing? |
| 13:15.48 | Joyrider | Roey: try apt-get autoclean to remove unnecessary pacakages from the cache |
| 13:15.50 | eye69 | 'apt-get clean' will clean it. |
| 13:15.54 | electron_ | mplayer-386: Depends: libavcodeccvs (>= 2:20050417-0.0) but it is not going to be installed |
| 13:15.55 | electron_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:16.12 | electron_ | I have them but newer versions |
| 13:16.13 | Guerin | electron_: using sid or etch? |
| 13:16.18 | bibe | Roey : before 'apt-get clean' try 'apt-get autoclean' |
| 13:16.19 | electron_ | sarge |
| 13:16.29 | electron_ | Linux node23 2.6.8-2-686 #1 Thu May 19 17:53:30 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 13:16.52 | Roey | bibe: OK, that's what I was looking for, thanks! |
| 13:16.54 | Guerin | electron_: what line do you have in sources.list for marillat? |
| 13:16.57 | Roey | bibe: thanks! |
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| 13:17.02 | bibe | :D |
| 13:17.08 | Guerin | electron_: i've come across this problem before; it tends to be an easy fix. |
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| 13:17.25 | Joyrider | Roey: also run autoclean from a crontab if you want to keep the size down automatically |
| 13:17.38 | electron_ | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main |
| 13:17.38 | electron_ | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ etch main |
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| 13:17.56 | Guerin | electron_: right, that's your problem |
| 13:18.21 | Guerin | electron_: some stuff is coming from marillat sarge and some from etch |
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| 13:19.07 | electron_ | so what do I do? |
| 13:19.18 | leonhunt | What is the location of my kernel documentation? I am trying to follow this tip: "find the CARDLIST file in your kernel documentation and find your card in the list." |
| 13:20.09 | Guerin | electron_: upgrade the whole shop to etch, or force-downgrade the packages |
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| 13:20.49 | jmej | is there an irc bouncer/bnc package in debian? |
| 13:20.52 | Guerin | electron_: or if you really want to build mplayer from source, add a deb-src line for marillat and apt-get build-dep mplayer-386 |
| 13:21.05 | jm_ | jmej: several -- /msg dpkg search |
| 13:21.16 | bibe | electron_ : stick with a single release, namely yours (sarge, isn't it?), uninstall all marillat's stuff then reinstall it from sarge repository |
| 13:21.20 | mymayer | hi. Iam going to by me the Promise UDMA100 controller and then gonna install debain sarge[table] on my PII/450. Is the controller compatible with the stable kernel ?` |
| 13:21.32 | jmej | cheers |
| 13:21.48 | mymayer | http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php?product=41&sort=8&cat=myprod&page=1 |
| 13:22.03 | Guerin | mymayer: wow, you checked a HCL! |
| 13:22.04 | mymayer | this should be my controller, the question is, which kernel doesn the stable version has ? |
| 13:22.09 | Roey | Joyrider, bibe: I don't know how I ever got so many packages on this system in to begin with! After cleaning six gigabytes' worth of old packages, my / went from 100% full to less than 60%. |
| 13:22.19 | Guerin | mymayer: 2.4.27 or 2.6.8 |
| 13:22.34 | mymayer | Guerin : why "or? |
| 13:22.42 | mymayer | second kernel is of testing Guerin ` |
| 13:22.44 | mymayer | ? |
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| 13:22.58 | Guerin | mymayer: no, both are in stable |
| 13:23.00 | bibe | Roey : did you run testing for some time? Then you should have .debs for all releases |
| 13:23.15 | Joyrider | Roey: do you apt-get upgrade often? if so, every package apt downloads is kept in the cache, even if it is superseded by a newer version |
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| 13:23.18 | mymayer | So it should work to install Debian Sarge Stable on that controller ? |
| 13:23.43 | mymayer | without clutching it on a other HDD, then upgrade the kernel and stuff, Guerin |
| 13:23.45 | Guerin | mymayer: looks like it will be well supported; the reviewers' kernels are all much older than those in stable - like, years older |
| 13:24.01 | mymayer | Guerin thank you very much |
| 13:24.14 | mymayer | so in a cuple of ours the debian section has one more user :) |
| 13:24.14 | Guerin | mymayer: you're welcome |
| 13:24.39 | enveezee | well I finally fixed my uGetTime() function I was playing with at work this morning. it sort-of emulates the concept of unix time, you pass a date string as an argument or null string for current time and it gives you seconds since the epoch. |
| 13:24.53 | ipixnic | are there any commando to synchronise my clock with a ntp servers? like ntp.ubuntulinux.org |
| 13:25.08 | jm_ | ipixnic: /msg dpkg set time |
| 13:25.19 | ipixnic | thanks |
| 13:25.38 | enveezee | I was playing with it in qbasic, because they had it on the server.. it was either that or delphi :-/ I started with an epoch of Jan 1, 2000 just using two digit year.. but qbasic choaked. |
| 13:25.50 | mymayer | Guerin maybe i can ask you a second question : Iam need to run a system like a software raid, but not mirror the hole HDD, only a specific partition to a other HDD. I got one 80GB and one 4 GB. So on the 80 GB, a 4 GB partition for my firm data should be mirrored to the other. Is that possible in sarge stable ? |
| 13:25.50 | jm_ | enveezee: date command does that |
| 13:26.05 | enveezee | uGetTime() wasnt updating every second until I subtracted like 17000000 I think it was. |
| 13:26.12 | leonhunt | If I am told to find the CARDLIST file in my kernel documentation, where am I supposed to look? |
| 13:26.23 | jm_ | in kernel Documentation dir |
| 13:26.28 | mymayer | 4 GB and 80 GB are diffrend HDDs Guerin |
| 13:26.30 | enveezee | the damn variable can hold the number.. it just goes slow as hell when the count gets too high |
| 13:26.35 | Roey | bibe: I always used Kanotix here (well, I installed Kanotix, and it became Sid) |
| 13:26.41 | enveezee | I havent tried running it compiled |
| 13:26.45 | Roey | Joyrider: and I do upgrad eoften, yes. |
| 13:26.52 | leonhunt | jm_: where can that dir usually be found? |
| 13:26.52 | enveezee | jm_: date? |
| 13:26.58 | Guerin | mymayer: i know nothing about raid, sorry. |
| 13:27.01 | enveezee | enveezee: there is no date command afaik |
| 13:27.12 | Guerin | Roey: kanotix is never sid. |
| 13:27.15 | mymayer | Guerin no need to say sorry..thank you |
| 13:27.15 | jm_ | leonhunt: part of kernel sources, but you also have just its documentation packaged in Debian |
| 13:27.21 | jm_ | enveezee: yes, as in /usr/bin/date |
| 13:27.25 | enveezee | jm_: the only thing called date is DATE$ function |
| 13:27.29 | jm_ | /bin/date rather |
| 13:27.52 | Joyrider | mymayer: i think you should be able to do that kind of mirroring with LVM somehow |
| 13:28.07 | enveezee | jm_: I was at work, on windows using qbasic :P the only dev tools I had to play with on the server was Borland Delphi and MS Qbasic 1.1 from the Win98SE tools/oldmsdos/ dir |
| 13:28.12 | jm_ | enveezee: ohh |
| 13:28.24 | enveezee | jm_: I' |
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| 13:28.46 | theD3viL | jm_, eh.. i cant figure out...how to burn iso? :S |
| 13:28.47 | enveezee | jm_: I've never seen the unix time code yet, just was trying to duplicate it as an exercize |
| 13:28.52 | theD3viL | jm_, eh.. i cant figure out...how to burn bin, sry ! |
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| 13:29.02 | h5n2 | true basic > qbasic |
| 13:29.03 | leonhunt | jm_: thanks! (apt-get install kernel-doc-2.6.8) |
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| 13:29.11 | jm_ | theD3viL: burn? you can use cdrdao, cdrecord or k3b to burn cue/bin files |
| 13:29.11 | mymayer | Guerin ok the last, i promise :) Is it possible / logical to run a VHOSt on a stable sarge, when my Server has a PII450 / BX / 260MB Ram ? would the system just handle this ? On the "real" host, a data mirror serice wuld run, the outher would run a FTP server, maybe some other low-end services like CVS |
| 13:29.33 | enveezee | jm_: my code finally works but only with an epoch of like 2004 if the number gets too large the function doesnt update every second. the larger the number the more seconds that will pass before it updates *shrug* |
| 13:29.50 | Guerin | mymayer: a virtualhost of what? a website? |
| 13:29.54 | mymayer | sorry |
| 13:29.57 | mymayer | its the wrong word |
| 13:30.00 | mymayer | no not a VHOST |
| 13:30.01 | jm_ | enveezee: hehe |
| 13:30.03 | Roey | Guerin: how come? It just adds a few things here and there. |
| 13:30.06 | theD3viL | jm_, i have install graveman but dont support burining bin files |
| 13:30.07 | Roey | Guerin: knoppix is not sid. |
| 13:30.10 | Guerin | Roey: like init. |
| 13:30.12 | mymayer | how does you call it, when you run a system in a system? |
| 13:30.12 | clusty | is there a program that keeps track of my total downloads? |
| 13:30.22 | Roey | Guerin: I got rid of Kanotix's init additions |
| 13:30.23 | Guerin | Roey: kanotix is as much not sid as knoppix |
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| 13:30.28 | Guerin | Roey: sure you did. |
| 13:30.29 | jm_ | theD3viL: not familiar with it |
| 13:30.32 | jm_ | clusty: IP accounting |
| 13:30.36 | mymayer | how does you call it, when you run a system in a system? Guerin |
| 13:30.37 | Roey | Guerin: ...ok... |
| 13:30.49 | theD3viL | jm_, do you know command for burning with cdrdao ? |
| 13:30.51 | enveezee | jm_: I gotta fix it if I ever want to test my code with scheduling as I planned. Cause I figure I cant schedule more than a year time frame if my integers cant grow beyond like 20,000,00 without fucking up my function |
| 13:30.57 | Guerin | mymayer: virtual machine? |
| 13:31.10 | clusty | jm_: is that a kernel thing, service, proggie? |
| 13:31.15 | mymayer | no and yes. A VServer i think |
| 13:31.43 | mymayer | Guerin like some hosting firms are doing. On my suse system i needed to compile my kernel with some flags |
| 13:31.48 | h5n2 | a machine-waster? |
| 13:32.01 | mymayer | h5n2 was it for me ? |
| 13:32.02 | jm_ | theD3viL: something like this, but test it with RW first, cdrdao write --device <yourdevice> file.cue |
| 13:32.09 | Guerin | mymayer: right. I don't know about performance issues with virtualisation systems, either. |
| 13:32.17 | h5n2 | mymayer, I think so |
| 13:32.18 | enveezee | hopefully my floppy drive works :P |
| 13:32.21 | jm_ | clusty: well kernel |
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| 13:32.32 | mymayer | What do you meen with "system waster" ? |
| 13:32.37 | enveezee | I copied qbasic.exe, qbasic.hlp, and qbasic.ini off their windows 98SE cd at work :P |
| 13:32.42 | theD3viL | jm_, file.bin also ? ;P |
| 13:32.46 | h5n2 | mymayer, maybe |
| 13:32.51 | jm_ | theD3viL: that's mentioned in .cue file |
| 13:32.53 | enveezee | I wonder if I can fit a win32 python install onto a floppy or cd |
| 13:32.57 | mymayer | h5n2 maybe just explain it to my, not by joking. Would be glad to know that |
| 13:33.03 | enveezee | would be better to program in something that didnt suck |
| 13:33.07 | theD3viL | jm_, dont have .cue file (q3) |
| 13:33.09 | clusty | jm_:and how are the statistics avalabla. I actually need just the total downloads |
| 13:33.19 | h5n2 | mymayer, it's a long long story |
| 13:33.22 | enveezee | probably wouldnt work if its not installed directly into the system |
| 13:33.25 | dorto | is nvu not available in sarge version? |
| 13:33.35 | jm_ | clusty: iptables -L -v -n will list your rules together with their counters |
| 13:33.37 | Hentai^XP | Anyone have windows 2000 running that can help me? |
| 13:33.47 | Guerin | dorto: no. |
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| 13:34.28 | dorto | Guerin: what would be the best way of installing it? adding other mirrors or adding etch mirror or manual install or no install? |
| 13:34.52 | sep | Hentai^XP, what issue do your windows 2k have with debian ? |
| 13:34.53 | dorto | i meant another source on the web, not mirror |
| 13:34.55 | enveezee | hmm my floppy drive doesnt sound good |
| 13:34.56 | mymayer | h5n2 is there a better way to really "cut" system into to to have a big security. On the one hand i need the server for my firm(mirroring data liek a raid), the other i need it for Pulic CVS etc. Users of the CVS or FTP service should be not able in any way getting into the firm data... is there a good solution without "2 server" ? |
| 13:35.04 | Guerin | dorto: check backports.org and apt-get.org |
| 13:35.10 | dorto | k thx |
| 13:35.13 | clusty | jm_:thanx, but this is quite a bit of work. I just installed the sys and will need at least 4 h to configure a new kernel |
| 13:35.36 | Hentai^XP | sep none I just need someone with windows 2k if they would do me a favor |
| 13:35.44 | jm_ | clusty: it is? took me about 15 minutes to configure the rules |
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| 13:35.54 | h5n2 | mymayer, a solid "hardware" |
| 13:36.09 | mymayer | h5n2 you mean a bette rCPU etc ? |
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| 13:36.21 | h5n2 | mymayer, no idea |
| 13:36.39 | jm_ | clusty: and then a some more hours to write a tool that collects data and another one that makes pretty reports |
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| 13:36.49 | clusty | jm_: my kernel does not have iptables enabled, .....and I could never configure the firewall :-D |
| 13:36.55 | sep | Hentai^XP, well you'll never get help unless you actualy ask. and i think #windows might be worth a try perhaps someone there have a windows box. |
| 13:37.00 | Arc | can someone help me with some clarification of software licensing for base debian installations? |
| 13:37.05 | mymayer | ok thank you :) for giving me a "cake without leeting me eat it" |
| 13:37.16 | jm_ | clusty: ohh |
| 13:37.28 | Hentai^XP | sep no one in there right now active |
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| 13:37.44 | sep | mymayer, virtualication somerthing like xen or vmware. ? |
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| 13:37.53 | Hentai^XP | anyways if anyone with a windows 2k install could find tftpd.exe for me and send me it I would appericate it |
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| 13:38.42 | Wille88_ | http://pastebin.com/417122 <- how can I fix that? |
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| 13:39.00 | milestone | hi all |
| 13:39.08 | TiMiDo | hi milestone |
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| 13:39.09 | h5n2 | hi |
| 13:39.16 | wubo | hi |
| 13:39.30 | resuDaed | afternoon all, anyone got any ideas of the best way to install debian with only a netboot cd and a wirelees lan? (no access to other machines or cabled lan) |
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| 13:40.10 | dvsdude | Hentai^XP, here u go http://pxes.sourceforge.net/howtos/ms_only_environment/ |
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| 13:40.33 | ChrisW | I have a load of cron jobs each specified in their own file in /etc/cron.d/, last night one of these didn't run at all, and one ran twice |
| 13:40.34 | milestone | i hav a problem with two bind9 installations. I have a primary ns and a zone configured there. If i do a dig@primary.ip domain soa i get noerror if i do dig @caching.proxy.ip domain soa i get nxdomain. Same with nslookup. Can anyone help me to solve this? is the problem on the rpimary, or on the caching server? |
| 13:40.41 | ChrisW | any ideas how I can find out what's going on? |
| 13:40.58 | Hentai^XP | dvsdude thanks just step onto to that btw but thanks now to figure out how to get my sparc booted with a debian tftp install |
| 13:41.00 | milestone | no errors within the logs not nothing |
| 13:41.23 | bibe | resuDaed : what kind of wireless NIC? |
| 13:41.34 | Hentai^XP | sep sorry can you send that again? |
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| 13:42.00 | Hentai^XP | orginal dir xircon set for I don't have write abilities to |
| 13:42.37 | resuDaed | bibe : it's a pcmcia DLink something or other that I know works under ndiswrapper (lspci: Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc.: Unknown device 001a (rev 01)) |
| 13:43.06 | bibe | resuDaed : are you sure it won't be detected by debian installer? |
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| 13:43.37 | resuDaed | bibe : I don't know, how does the debian installer cope with wlan cards? |
| 13:43.46 | Wille88 | does anyone have unstable and newest slib installed properly? |
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| 13:44.16 | Arc | any license-savvy folks around? |
| 13:44.28 | bibe | resuDaed : not with mine, but it's another story (non-free firmware needed) |
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| 13:44.59 | bibe | but I think there is wireless NIC support in netinst kernel |
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| 13:45.59 | whafro | I've had init (pid 1) run out of control processor-wise... is there a good, safe way to restart that, or is a reboot required? |
| 13:46.40 | mosty | what do you mean by "run out of control" ? |
| 13:46.42 | Guerin | whafro: try init 1; |
| 13:46.58 | Guerin | mosty: sounds like burning cpu |
| 13:47.00 | whafro | it's spent all night at 100% proc usage |
| 13:47.13 | Arc | "run out of control" like a zombie PID comming back to life and eating the kernel? :-) |
| 13:47.14 | scanwinder | is it possible to have a cluster with both ppc and x86 machines in it? |
| 13:47.46 | whafro | Guerin: 'init 1;' gave no feedback and didn't change the proc usage issue |
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| 13:48.05 | mosty | whafro: if you need to restart init, you probably need to reboot |
| 13:48.18 | Guerin | whafro: yeah, reboot. That's bad and should never happen. |
| 13:48.21 | whafro | that's what I was figuring... boo |
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| 13:48.55 | mosty | scanwinder: yes. but kinda depends on what you mean by cluster. |
| 13:49.15 | dorto | can we prevent mozilla web browser from taking the user to newly opened window tab? |
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| 13:49.22 | stylish | Linux S0106000cf1728bac 2.6.12-internode #4 Fri Nov 4 06:12:39 PST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:49.27 | Guerin | dorto: there are extensions for that |
| 13:49.31 | eliteforce | hi |
| 13:49.40 | dorto | Guerin: any name you remember? |
| 13:49.43 | Arc | is there a debian discussion channel vs debian help? |
| 13:49.51 | Guerin | dorto: nope. |
| 13:50.00 | dorto | Guerin: k, i will search |
| 13:50.03 | Guerin | Arc: this is it, depending on what you want to discuss. |
| 13:50.08 | scanwinder | mosty: by cluster i mean so i can have the load automatically shift accross multiple machines |
| 13:50.14 | daxxar | dorto, not firefox? |
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| 13:50.24 | Arc | Guerin: debian package licenses on a fresh install |
| 13:50.25 | scanwinder | mosty: so i have more processing power |
| 13:50.41 | Guerin | Arc: what about them? |
| 13:50.47 | daxxar | mozilla firefox has a "tabmanager extension" which allows you to change that, |
| 13:50.48 | Guerin | Arc: read the dfsg first |
| 13:50.58 | daxxar | Err, "Tabbrowser Extension" |
| 13:51.08 | Arc | Guerin: well I was really puzzled by finding mp3 decoding libraries on a friend's new install of debian |
| 13:51.26 | mosty | scanwinder: not unless your programs are written in some sort of framework to do that for you- it isn't possible for general programs |
| 13:51.27 | Guerin | Arc: why? |
| 13:51.33 | dorto | daxxar: firefox not installed by default by sarge and i read lot of problems reported by firefox users on debianhelp.org |
| 13:51.49 | Guerin | Arc: hint: license issues are different from patent issues. |
| 13:51.58 | scanwinder | mosty: yes i know that but the cluster itself tho, does it work having both ppc's and x86's in it? |
| 13:52.02 | dorto | which version of firefox is most stable under debian sarge? |
| 13:52.25 | mosty | scanwinder: depends entirely on your "cluster software framework" |
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| 13:52.35 | mosty | (which you haven't mentioned) |
| 13:52.40 | daxxar | dorto, okay |
| 13:52.51 | mosty | dorto: the version included with sarge |
| 13:52.59 | Guerin | mosty: arguable |
| 13:53.01 | Arc | which are illegal to distro in the US under the terms of the GPL (section 7&8) and LGPL (section 11&12) |
| 13:53.01 | scanwinder | mosty: do you know of any software that does allow both then? |
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| 13:53.25 | Guerin | Arc: what license are they release under? |
| 13:53.29 | Arc | Guerin: this is a license issue, since the libraries in question are mostly LGPL |
| 13:53.38 | mosty | scanwinder: yes, but like i said it only works for applications specifically written for the cluster software, not general programs |
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| 13:54.18 | jm_ | besides, who says he got those libraries from Debian mirrors |
| 13:54.32 | Arc | Guerin: some (libmad) are GPL-2 |
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| 13:54.57 | Arc | jm_: I was seeing this on a fresh install without non-free or non-us added (is there still non-us?) |
| 13:55.36 | enveezee | not a one of the 6 currently running pcs has a working floppy drive, 4 have none, and 2 have broken ones |
| 13:55.42 | Guerin | Arc: ok. It hinges on fraunhofer's position that they wouldn't pursue patent suits against decoding implementations. |
| 13:56.18 | enveezee | I have 4 other normal internal 3.5" Floppy drives I could try but I dont feel like taking either of my two pcs down |
| 13:56.33 | jm_ | Arc: no, see topic - i was more thinking they used non-Debian provided packages |
| 13:56.48 | electron_ | hi, when I go to double or fullscreen size on mplayer, the actual picture does'nt, only the border |
| 13:56.53 | electron_ | it's just black around the image |
| 13:56.54 | Guerin | Arc: if fraunhofer will not, in fact, pursue decoding implementations of their patents, then there's no problem under the GPL or LGPL. |
| 13:57.01 | Arc | the license terms of the MP3 codec, set by the MP3 licensing authority, only permits cost-free distribution of decoders, a clause which clearly enacts clause 7 of the GPL (restricting rights granted by the GPL, ie, for-cost distro) |
| 13:57.08 | mosty | electron, which output type? |
| 13:57.18 | resuDaed | does the debian installer come with the wireless tools (iwconfig etc)? |
| 13:57.20 | Guerin | Arc: have you got a link? |
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| 13:57.26 | Arc | Guerin: hold on |
| 13:57.30 | Guerin | oh man, it's dinner |
| 13:57.34 | enveezee | for the code to generate unix time, should I be looking at the kernel or the date program or what package could I find this? I guess I will just take that with me tonight and clean up my code at work. |
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| 13:57.59 | enveezee | what source package would contain the code I am looking for? |
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| 13:59.23 | mathieu | enveezee: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=date&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386 |
| 13:59.28 | mathieu | that could be a start |
| 13:59.41 | boombel | Have anyone forced to work plustek S6 scanner? |
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| 13:59.59 | mathieu | which gets you to http://packages.debian.org/stable/source/coreutils |
| 14:00.10 | enveezee | boombel: I've never been forced by anyone to work with anything |
| 14:00.17 | dorto | guerin: backports.org seems to be very old...not updated with sarge? |
| 14:00.41 | jm_ | enveezee: there's mktime, which is in glibc |
| 14:00.44 | enveezee | mathieu: all that tells me is that bin/date is in base/coreutils |
| 14:01.24 | enveezee | jm_: so the glibc would have it? isnt that going to be a pretty large source package? there isnt something else? I heard the code is only like 6k |
| 14:01.25 | mathieu | so you can download the source to check the code.. |
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| 14:01.46 | mathieu | coreutils is not glibc afaik |
| 14:01.47 | Guerin | dorto: perhaps not. |
| 14:01.50 | Arc | Guerin: http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/08/29/1633205 covers the issue very nicely |
| 14:02.00 | jm_ | enveezee: yes, it's pretty big - not sure how date does it, perhaps ltrace would reveal something |
| 14:02.14 | Arc | Quoting the article: "Because the GPL (General Public License) allows all software licensed under it to be sold, this may mean that "freely distributable" MP3 players cannot be licensed under the GPL. Arland says he is not familiar with the GPL; that Thomson laid down its licensing terms long ago, and that if Thomson's terms are not compatible with the GPL today, then they never were." |
| 14:02.25 | enveezee | mathieu: I dont want either. I want the code on how unix time works. I want to program something that schedules using time in seconds. trying to understand how unix time works |
| 14:02.39 | boombel | enveezee: misunderstanding i wanted to ask is it possible to use usb scanner plustek s6 udner linux sane doesn support it |
| 14:02.59 | Arc | ... "But, he says several times -- using slightly different words each time -- the second you sell software or hardware that contains Thomson's patented technology, the company wants money, and this is not negotiable, GPL or no GPL." |
| 14:03.08 | enveezee | I got a working function that returns something similar to unix time, but some numbers are a little off, and it only can schedule up to 1 year or so.. before it starts badly drifting |
| 14:03.12 | Guerin | Arc: ok, you needn't quote |
| 14:03.17 | Guerin | Arc: we can read |
| 14:03.17 | Arc | Guerin: sorry :-) |
| 14:03.22 | xwl | Hi, running `debuild', it stops at `dh_movefiles', complaining that |
| 14:03.22 | xwl | "dh_movefiles: debian/tmp/usr/arm-linux-gnu/lib/libgcc_s.so.1 not found; |
| 14:03.22 | xwl | tar: /usr/src/gcc-arm-linux-3.4.3/debian/movelist: cannot open: no such file or |
| 14:03.22 | xwl | directory", how to solve this? |
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| 14:03.23 | pietro_ | where i can look irc italian server? |
| 14:03.29 | enveezee | boombel: google, or goto the sane project site and see |
| 14:03.34 | pietro_ | (bad english) |
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| 14:03.38 | enveezee | boombel: google for SANE and goto their site |
| 14:04.14 | boombel | enveezee: i searched and i found tha it isn't supported by SANE |
| 14:04.15 | mosty | pietro_: google |
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| 14:04.24 | enveezee | I really wish I could figure out wtf I keep becomming nvz_ and nvz__ when I have my nick set to nvz and my alternate nick set to enveezee. sometimes it works sometimes it doesnt |
| 14:04.33 | enveezee | boombel: there you have it. |
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| 14:05.52 | Arc | Guerin: this is the reason that Redhat, far from being a leader on free software, removed MP3 support from their base distro and requires users to install MP3 packages seperatly, specifically marked as "non-free" |
| 14:06.01 | enveezee | boombel: I submitted to the sane-devel@a.l.d.o about a plustek scanner that was really a realtek chipset.. I made a lengthy and detailed report including all my info from the SANE output about the scanner to various other things.. and best I got was a reply from a german telling me to write a backend, and that he added the info I provided to the SANE database |
| 14:06.58 | Arc | I thought that was by Debian's lead, which is why finding the libraries on a fresh install puzzling. I'm looking for clarification on this.. |
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| 14:07.31 | mosty | arc: rh didn't follow debian |
| 14:07.33 | enveezee | boombel: ah it was actually called Primax.. now that I look up the post |
| 14:07.34 | boombel | enveezee: ok thx |
| 14:07.49 | enveezee | boombel: this is the email I sent them http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/sane-devel/2005-July/013938.html |
| 14:08.23 | enveezee | boombel: it includes the shell commands for the information I sent in |
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| 14:09.53 | enveezee | I tend to go overboard with drawing up my analysis on things |
| 14:09.58 | Guerin | Arc: ok. same issue as with the patent clause. |
| 14:10.04 | boombel | i have other strange problem when i'am trying to start my virtual machine in vmware my usb mouse stop responding and the only solution is restart system |
| 14:10.06 | enveezee | there is probably way more information in that email then ever needed |
| 14:10.06 | Guerin | Arc: err, the mp3 patents. |
| 14:10.14 | enveezee | or even relevant for that matter |
| 14:10.15 | Guerin | not being enforced |
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| 14:11.39 | Arc | Guerin: it's an issue as the software is claiming to be free by the license, and people trust that |
| 14:12.21 | enveezee | I know when I sit down to figure things out I like to have as much info as possible |
| 14:12.26 | Arc | and the second some company sells a CD pack with a MP3 license on it (or prehaps, a year or two later) they get sued for royalties |
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| 14:12.31 | enveezee | so I write long reports when I send them in |
| 14:13.18 | Guerin | Arc: i'd take this up on debian-legal mailing list for more in-depth discussion; it's a grey area. |
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| 14:13.36 | Arc | Guerin: can you give me the info about this list? |
| 14:13.37 | enveezee | were's brother man |
| 14:13.49 | dorto | suppose there is a software that is 'apt-get'-able from a website and i want to install it on multiple systems. can i cache it on one system with apt-get and let other machines isntall from this cache? |
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| 14:14.17 | Guerin | Arc: lists.debian.org can |
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| 14:14.39 | enveezee | he's usually spouting off about this time when I get home |
| 14:14.53 | enveezee | well all the time |
| 14:15.12 | Joyrider | dorto: yeah, you can just put the location of your local cache in sources.list on the other machines |
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| 14:15.50 | enveezee | I wonder if the info I seek is in the posix spec or somewhere I can more easily get to it |
| 14:15.51 | dorto | Joyrider: how to create the local cache? |
| 14:16.15 | jm_ | dorto: apt-cache show apt-zip |
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| 14:17.12 | Tortel | :o |
| 14:17.16 | Tortel | you DONT have one? |
| 14:17.26 | Tortel | thats like a must for any computer! |
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| 14:17.46 | enveezee | I got 4 of them in old pcs I dont have running, out of the 6 running 2 have broken ones and 4 have none at all |
| 14:17.57 | Tortel | o |
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| 14:17.58 | Tortel | mg |
| 14:18.00 | enveezee | I havent tested any of the other 4 |
| 14:18.22 | jm_ | I still use Toshiba 3.5" floppy drive I bought more than ten years ago - it beats the living shit out of any modern drives you can buy :) |
| 14:18.37 | Tortel | 3.5"???!? |
| 14:18.41 | enveezee | I got a USB one somewhere, and a Sony Mavica FD, but I dont know where the fucking USB cable for it is and the camera wont just take source code off a floppy and put it on to a sony memory stick |
| 14:18.46 | jm_ | that's what he's talking about |
| 14:18.48 | xcrash | my laptop came with a usb floppy ;) |
| 14:18.54 | enveezee | I got probably 3 pcs running with working flash card readers |
| 14:19.03 | enveezee | none with a working floppy |
| 14:19.26 | ChrisW | hurm |
| 14:20.00 | ChrisW | okay, n00b question time, when something in man says "see also: man.conf(5)", how do I get that page? |
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| 14:20.10 | jm_ | man man ;) |
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| 14:20.19 | ChrisW | yeah, I tried that, it didn't help |
| 14:20.23 | boombel | i have plugged in my scanner and my usb mouse stopped responding for everythink |
| 14:20.33 | enveezee | floppy is the easiest thing to use at work. its writable, and easily portable. I could take stuff on cd, but I cant write to it there. And using a flash drive I would have to get behind the damn things and thats annoying |
| 14:20.34 | jm_ | it says man [[section] page] --> man 5 man.conf |
| 14:20.44 | boombel | what should i do, i don't want to reboot :/ |
| 14:21.10 | enveezee | boombel: remove your scanner, and rmmod the usb modules then modprobe them again |
| 14:21.17 | ChrisW | jm_: good grief, how un-user-friendly :-( |
| 14:21.41 | jm_ | ChrisW: not really - it would display the man page for you as long as there's no man page with the same name in sections < 5 |
| 14:21.56 | enveezee | I really cant think of an easy way to get this shit off this floppy right now.. |
| 14:22.41 | sha1sum | do modules operate more slowly than built-in kernel option? |
| 14:22.45 | sha1sum | options |
| 14:22.48 | jm_ | sha1sum: no |
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| 14:22.51 | sha1sum | cool |
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| 14:23.47 | boombel | i have started working with linux week ago and i have no experincie with devices.... what is the name of usb module? |
| 14:23.47 | enveezee | sha1sum: its mainly an issue of if they need to be accessible at boot or not, if you will be using initrd, and if you want to be able to save memory by not having them loaded when you dont need them |
| 14:24.07 | dvsdude | boombel, sda |
| 14:24.18 | liable | ? |
| 14:24.20 | dvsdude | soz thats wrong |
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| 14:24.39 | boombel | found sth /proc/modules ;D |
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| 14:25.09 | enveezee | wtf |
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| 14:25.25 | enveezee | they got torx screws in this damn thing |
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| 14:26.13 | liable | break out the angle grinder! |
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| 14:26.33 | enveezee | wonder bar is only like $2.99 at lowes and works good |
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| 14:27.25 | sha1sum | if you build in too many things which could be modularized, does it slow down the kernel? |
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| 14:28.31 | enveezee | sha1sum: no, they will not effect it at all unless they are loaded, at which point they reside in memory and each take away from the resouces available to the rest of the system. |
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| 14:29.57 | D-fence | Hi all |
| 14:30.20 | D-fence | I need help to make an offline update of a debian x86 etch machine |
| 14:30.35 | D-fence | The computer have no connection to the internet |
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| 14:32.29 | enveezee | D-fence: what kind of help? |
| 14:32.47 | electron_ | Hi, I am having trouble with Mplayer, when I make it double or fullscreen, or ANY size bigger then the default, it stays the same size, only the border gets bigger |
| 14:33.00 | jm_ | you didn't use the right switches then |
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| 14:33.17 | electron_ | It's Gmplayer |
| 14:33.22 | liable | electron_: change the output driver |
| 14:33.44 | jm_ | mplayer -xy 2 should work OK with XV |
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| 14:34.05 | D-fence | enveezee: Basic help, an idea of how to do. |
| 14:34.18 | jm_ | D-fence: try using apt-zip |
| 14:34.23 | sep | electron_, add -zoom |
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| 14:35.27 | enveezee | D-fence: what are your options? |
| 14:35.32 | boombel_ | my usb adsl modem has disconnected when i restarted usb modules |
| 14:35.40 | boombel_ | but mouse doesnt work.... |
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| 14:35.45 | enveezee | D-fence: cd, hd-to-hd ... ? |
| 14:35.47 | sha1sum | what subdirectory are you supposed to copy the old config file to in the kernel source tree to acquire your previous configuration options? |
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| 14:36.04 | D-fence | jm_: I don't undertans the man page of apt-zip |
| 14:36.16 | enveezee | D-fence: also what OS is the system downloading the updates? |
| 14:36.19 | jm_ | D-fence: then it's probably not the right tool for you |
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| 14:36.31 | sha1sum | ahhh it's hidden in the root source directory correct? .config ? |
| 14:36.46 | jm_ | it's not hidden, just named .config |
| 14:37.02 | D-fence | enveezee: Sorry for the incovenience but I just found this document: /usr/share/doc/apt-doc/offline.html/index.html |
| 14:37.02 | abrotman | that is kind of "hidden" :) |
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| 14:37.14 | D-fence | I think that everything I want is there |
| 14:37.17 | enveezee | I csnt find a floppy cable |
| 14:37.18 | D-fence | thnx anyway |
| 14:37.19 | Nvidiot | Hello, I'm wondering if it's easy to create a custom debian installation cd, based on defaults I set? So it'll automatically install say Apache with the config I want instead of a default config? |
| 14:37.25 | bibe | D-fence : if I had another network connected etch machine, I'd upgrade the network connected one and transfer the content of /var/cache/apt/archives to the unconnected machine |
| 14:37.27 | sha1sum | jm_: I mean the .* files are hidden by default, sorry :) |
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| 14:37.51 | Nvidiot | or is that really hard to accomplish and should I just make a standard install and copy the defaults over after installing ? |
| 14:37.54 | jm_ | sha1sum: you mean in regards to ls not showing them? yup, true |
| 14:38.05 | abrotman | Nvidiot: might be easier to make your own custom package with config files you want |
| 14:38.15 | jm_ | well without -a switch anyway |
| 14:38.20 | enveezee | aha! captures a prehistoric floppy cable |
| 14:38.21 | Nvidiot | abrotman: how would I go about that? Any documentation you can point me to ? |
| 14:38.26 | abrotman | !nmg |
| 14:38.27 | dpkg | Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference - if you are a deb-newbie read them in this order, found at http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals |
| 14:38.30 | D-fence | bibe: thnx but I found an documentation with all the details I needed |
| 14:38.31 | abrotman | wait .. that's not it |
| 14:38.31 | sha1sum | jm_: hehe yeah sorry not file attributes |
| 14:38.32 | abrotman | !mg |
| 14:38.32 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or maint-guide.en.html in sarge/sid). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or the shorthand for Madagascar |
| 14:38.37 | abrotman | ah .. i think that's it :) |
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| 14:38.56 | Nvidiot | not online? Ick |
| 14:38.57 | jm_ | Nvidiot: alternatively, man dpkg-repack |
| 14:39.04 | jm_ | it is online |
| 14:39.08 | Sebo | Hi!! What should I apt-get to make my xmms play *.mp3 ?? |
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| 14:39.34 | Nvidiot | jm_: and how would I get that on my custom bootable install cd ? |
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| 14:39.51 | treyh0 | Sebo: xmms-mad ? |
| 14:40.01 | jm_ | Nvidiot: the tools used to create Debian CD-s are packaged too |
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| 14:40.37 | rosco_bis | hi, I have a problem dduring the install of sarge, on an old box. The partition tool hang during the creation of root mount point. Is there a typical boot option to prevent this ? |
| 14:41.04 | Nvidiot | jm_: okay, I'll have a read, see if it's worth my time or if copying things later :) |
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| 14:41.12 | jm_ | rosco_bis: you sure it's not just taking its time checking the disk for bad sectors? |
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| 14:42.14 | rosco_bis | jm_: I don't think so, and even if it was the case, I should have logs on another console during install, right ? |
| 14:42.20 | jm_ | rosco_bis: absolutely |
| 14:42.35 | MuteThis | i made a new debian sarge box to replace my woody box. for some reason i'm not receiving email, how do i start trouble shooting this? dns appears to be functioning correctly |
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| 14:42.35 | dvsdude | Sebo, mpg123 |
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| 14:43.32 | rosco_bis | I forgot to mention, as I tried with linux instead of linux26, caps lock and scroll lock started to blink during the partition operation |
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| 14:43.42 | jm_ | that means kernel oopsed |
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| 14:44.15 | rosco_bis | could this be tied to acpi and so on ? |
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| 14:44.32 | jm_ | might be worth try noacpi noapic nolapic and so on |
| 14:44.33 | jm_ | trying even |
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| 14:45.02 | bakr | Hello, i have a quistion.... Is gtk included with debian? And how can I check the version of debain? |
| 14:45.14 | jm_ | bakr: /msg dpkg search |
| 14:45.17 | bibe | hi all. I am trying to recompile libapache2-mod-jk2 from sources (I need to recompile it to add pcre support). Since I'll have to use it on several almost-identical machines, I'd like to have a .deb package, so I followed '/msg dpkg simple sid backport' directives, obviously using only stable deb and deb-src repositories |
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| 14:45.44 | bibe | then I modified the ./configure options into debian/rules |
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| 14:46.45 | ircdevil | if a piece of software is public domain, can one use it as a part of a software suite, which costs $$$ ? |
| 14:47.13 | bibe | and the changelog (to increase revision number, and to add a line to the changelog). Then, 'dpkg-buildpackage -b -rfakeroot -tc -uc -D' worked out fine, producing a .deb which installed without problems |
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| 14:47.51 | bakr | jm_: Doesn't work... atleast i'm getting nothing |
| 14:47.55 | bibe | but now apache2 won't start, saying: '/usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_jk2.so: undefined symbol: pcreposix_regcomp' |
| 14:48.21 | bibe | how can I find out how to get this symbol into the headers? |
| 14:48.27 | Jizzbug | ircdevil: anyone can use public domain ip for any purpose |
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| 14:48.47 | Sebo | I'v been sneaching for packages by 'xmms' kayword and now I see :) xmms-mad was always returned but I was always ignoring it :/ << thanx :D |
| 14:48.51 | xelam | ircdevil: RFTL |
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| 14:50.14 | encompass | exit |
| 14:50.39 | Faust | I just installed eclipse. Like this I found out that the two packages libswt-gtk-3.1-java and libswt3.1-gtk-java obviously conflict. Searching the mailinglist, I saw a short discussion about this, but no solution. Because some packages rely on the version that doesn't come with eclipse, they were removed |
| 14:50.41 | Faust | How can I resolve this or better: is there any plan how to resolve this problem in gerneral? |
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| 14:52.02 | DaSkreech | Hello |
| 14:52.37 | DaSkreech | is there a way to remove a deb and all packages which depend on it? |
| 14:52.42 | ircdevil | xelam: it just says donated to the public domain |
| 14:52.58 | Jizzbug | Anybody here know racoon/setkey (IPsec stuff) very well? I'm trying to setup a VPN server for tunnel clients with dynamic IPs, having problems with "generate_policy on" and the SPD database. |
| 14:53.06 | ircdevil | Jizzbug: ok |
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| 14:53.22 | cahoot | bibe: maybe this can be of help: http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto/howtos/debcustomize |
| 14:53.40 | bibe | cahoot : thanks |
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| 14:53.46 | DaSkreech | debhelper: Hello? |
| 14:54.05 | mymayer | i just download the DVD.iso 1, and started the installation. After the partitioning he trys to isntall the standard system and fails loading e2f**. What can i do ? |
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| 14:55.06 | mymayer | i just download the DVD.iso 1, and started the installation. After the partitioning he trys to isntall the standard system and fails loading e2f**. What can i do ? |
| 14:55.09 | MuteThis | i made a new debian sarge box to replace my woody box. for some reason i'm not receiving email, how do i start trouble shooting this? dns appears to be functioning correctly |
| 14:55.24 | mymayer | [sorry if reposted, thought iam not registered with nickserv] |
| 14:55.27 | abrotman | /var/log/mail.* |
| 14:55.40 | theD3viL- | Where are logs of dpkg ? |
| 14:55.49 | abrotman | hahah .. logs |
| 14:56.00 | abrotman | theD3viL-: in sarge ? |
| 14:56.05 | theD3viL- | abrotman, yes |
| 14:56.08 | abrotman | none |
| 14:56.14 | abrotman | why? |
| 14:56.15 | theD3viL- | ?? :S |
| 14:56.56 | theD3viL- | Couse i wanna remove k3b and depencies..but dont know what depencies are |
| 14:57.34 | abrotman | theD3viL-: apt-cache depends k3b |
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| 14:57.41 | abrotman | theD3viL-: deborphan is useful for this also |
| 14:57.45 | abrotman | !depends k3b |
| 14:58.07 | theD3viL- | abrotman, hm..deborphan is for libaries only |
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| 14:58.38 | rosco_bis | some feedback about my install problem: It was a memory problem |
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| 14:58.47 | mymayer | i just download the DVD.iso 1, and started the installation. After the partitioning he trys to isntall the standard system and fails loading e2f**. What can i do ? |
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| 14:59.02 | dpkg | k3b: depends on dbus-1 (>= 0.23.4), dbus-qt-1c2 (>= 0.23.4), k3blibs (>= 0.12.7), kdelibs4c2 (>= 4:3.4.2-1), libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.16), libaudio2, libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libfam0, libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.1.5-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.2), libhal0 (>= 0.4.0), libice6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libidn11 (>= 0.5.18), libjpeg62, libmusicbrainz4c2 (>= 2.1.1), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.8rel), libpopt0 (>= 1.7), libqt3-mt (>= 3:3.3.5), libresmgr1, ... |
| 14:59.20 | Jizzbug | anybody know ipsec stuff here (racoon, isakmpd, setkey, etc)? |
| 14:59.34 | DaSkreech | !depends aptitude |
| 14:59.36 | dpkg | aptitude: depends on libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.10, libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.1), libsigc++-1.2-5c2, libstdc++6 (>= 4.0.2) |
| 14:59.48 | abrotman | and they say evolution is bloated :) |
| 14:59.56 | abrotman | !depends evolution |
| 14:59.58 | dpkg | evolution: depends on gtkhtml3.6 (>= 3.6.2), libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.16), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.9.0), libaudiofile0 (>= 0.2.3-4), libbonobo2-0 (>= 2.8.0), libbonoboui2-0 (>= 2.5.4), libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libcamel1.2-0 (>= 1.2.3), libcomerr2 (>= 1.33-3), libcompfaceg1, libdb4.2, libebook1.2-3 (>= 1.2.3), libecal1.2-2 (>= 1.2.3), libedataserver1.2-4 (>= 1.2.3), libedataserverui1.2-4 (>= 1.2.3), libesd0 (>= 0.2.35) | libesd-alsa0 (>= 0.2.35), ... |
| 15:00.00 | mymayer | Can i somehow say my debian sarge installation to get the sources from an FTP after the installation booted form CD /DVD ? |
| 15:00.06 | abrotman | mymayer: most of us use the netinst |
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| 15:00.39 | abrotman | theD3viL-: btw .. newer versions of dpkg will log to /var/log/dpkg.log .. but afaik .. sarge doesn't do that |
| 15:00.46 | enveezee | mmm this monitor works and I like it |
| 15:01.08 | abrotman | better than one that doens't work |
| 15:01.24 | theD3viL- | abrotman, so do you using etch? |
| 15:01.38 | enveezee | its better than the other 3 I had that work |
| 15:01.39 | abrotman | theD3viL-: at home on my laptop .. yes .. nowhere at work |
| 15:01.57 | theD3viL- | abrotman, at work sarge ? |
| 15:01.57 | theD3viL- | :P |
| 15:02.14 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:02.15 | DaSkreech | Is there a way to remove a package and all packages that depend upon it? |
| 15:02.16 | enveezee | its larger better picture, and has a nice small spinner under it with a button for OSD as well as several handy digital quick function keys |
| 15:02.27 | mymayer | abrotman under which step i configure netinst ? |
| 15:02.28 | enveezee | programmable color modes, sleep modes..etc |
| 15:02.44 | abrotman | mymayer: no .. netinst is a separate image .. do you have broadband ? |
| 15:02.45 | DaSkreech | Well Specifically meta-packages |
| 15:02.55 | mymayer | yes abrotman |
| 15:02.57 | enveezee | it was in Deutsch when I got it.. had to change it to english |
| 15:03.01 | abrotman | !d-i mymayer |
| 15:03.05 | dpkg | mymayer, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 15:03.14 | enveezee | since thats the closest thing to what I speak |
| 15:03.19 | mymayer | but i would not download it from net <anyway |
| 15:03.32 | mymayer | i would set up a FTP on my desktop rechenr and ount the DVD image there |
| 15:03.32 | theD3viL- | DaSkreech, if you find it YOU MUST TELL ME ! ;) |
| 15:04.00 | DaSkreech | theD3viL-: Everyone says Aptitude but that works less well than they think |
| 15:04.01 | abrotman | !deborphan |
| 15:04.01 | dpkg | deborphan is a package that will tell you what library packages you have installed that nothing's using. If you want remove all packages use 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge' |
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| 15:04.15 | mymayer | but i do not want to waste another CD for buring the the boot loader, abrotman. Is there a way to do a netisnt from the DVD.sio `? |
| 15:04.27 | enveezee | TNA looks so much better on a bigger screen |
| 15:04.32 | abrotman | mymayer: no idea .. i don't own a DVD burner .. i've never used the DVD images |
| 15:04.42 | abrotman | enveezee: tits 'n' ass ? |
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| 15:04.47 | enveezee | abrotman: heh |
| 15:04.50 | enveezee | abrotman: yep |
| 15:05.13 | abrotman | enveezee: you missed your chance .. i was almost coming out to pittsburgh |
| 15:05.25 | enveezee | abrotman: darn |
| 15:05.54 | DaSkreech | abrotman: What was that about deborphan? |
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| 15:05.56 | abrotman | enveezee: my brother is moving to colorado |
| 15:06.00 | MuteThis | muwhahahaha, i fixed it |
| 15:06.03 | MuteThis | thanks guys |
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| 15:06.09 | abrotman | DaSkreech: deborphan can help you clean up your system .. it has a man page |
| 15:06.16 | enveezee | abrotman: oh well |
| 15:06.28 | abrotman | enveezee: unless i still go out there to meet him to drive out with him |
| 15:06.39 | Nvidiot | mymayer: you can burn the netinstall to dvd, that works fine (I just installed via that) |
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| 15:07.10 | antgel | can anyone explain the sparse output of whois -H 65.219.136.17? this cock was trying a brute-force ssh on our customer |
| 15:07.12 | ralfWORK | how can I get debian to ignore dependancies of a package for all time? |
| 15:07.15 | abrotman | Nvidiot: he's saying he doens't want to waste another disc |
| 15:07.21 | abrotman | ralfWORK: you don't want to do that |
| 15:07.27 | Nvidiot | abrotman: ah hm okay, dunno then |
| 15:07.34 | ralfWORK | abrotman: are you sure I don't? :) |
| 15:07.41 | abrotman | antgel: explain what ? |
| 15:07.53 | enveezee | when it comes to monitors, size matters |
| 15:07.59 | abrotman | ralfWORK: yes .. breaking dependencies is bad .. that's why they're called dependencies |
| 15:08.11 | enveezee | graphical applications take new form with the extra space |
| 15:08.11 | ralfWORK | I have installed php5 from a package and phpunit depends on php4 |
| 15:08.13 | loca|host | is there anybody who can help me to do sniff with 'hunt' |
| 15:08.14 | loca|host | ? |
| 15:08.17 | abrotman | antgel: what about it ? |
| 15:08.25 | ralfWORK | I will not be putting php4 on this system obviously |
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| 15:08.45 | abrotman | !equivs |
| 15:08.46 | dpkg | somebody said equivs was a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
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| 15:08.49 | ralfWORK | I can install it with --force-depends but as you know the next time I run apt for anything it will flip it's shit |
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| 15:08.58 | enveezee | so far I like this better than my old 21" and I think this is only like 17" |
| 15:08.59 | abrotman | of course .. whatever you're trying to do .. will fail horribly .. but carry on :) |
| 15:09.20 | enveezee | if it starts spazing like the old one I had that would suck |
| 15:09.20 | abrotman | antgel: apparently it's an IP that TX3 gives out ? |
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| 15:09.36 | abrotman | antgel: http://ws.arin.net/whois/?queryinput=!%20NET-65-219-136-0-1 |
| 15:09.40 | ralfWORK | bwahahaha can't install equivs till I fix the deps for phpunit |
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| 15:10.23 | Vanpriest | someone tried to install debian on aDell Raid5. |
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| 15:10.33 | Vanpriest | it seem not able to detecte my 3 raid hardisk |
| 15:10.55 | Assassin5 | how can I turn off password expiration, either globaly, or on a user by user basis at the command line. |
| 15:11.09 | ralfWORK | aight, how can I uncompress the contents of a .deb? |
| 15:11.12 | mwelsh | Anyone have a suggestion to fix an error I get when I attempt a screenshot (via Alt+printscreen) in gnome? The error says [There was an error running "gnome-screenshot --window": Failed to execute child process "gnome-screenshot" (No such file or directory).] |
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| 15:11.20 | mwelsh | I could have sworn this has worked before |
| 15:11.40 | scarynetworkguy | Vanpriest: http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=875 Follow the links. |
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| 15:11.48 | saloxin | ralfWORK: dpkg -x |
| 15:12.06 | saloxin | or bett -X - verbose axtract |
| 15:12.11 | ralfWORK | saloxin: exellent. thank you |
| 15:12.13 | ralfWORK | erm |
| 15:12.14 | ralfWORK | +c |
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| 15:13.10 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Stop ignoring me you useless bag of mostly water! |
| 15:13.26 | DaSkreech | scarynetworkguy: You did Biology :) |
| 15:13.30 | saloxin | mwelsh: in a terminal, type # which gnome-screenshot |
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| 15:13.43 | Bob332 | whats the most functional web stats program, i want a quick easy install |
| 15:13.46 | guido_wrk | Hi, |
| 15:13.48 | saloxin | if that fails, search for it on http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 15:14.01 | saloxin | Bob332: what stats? |
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| 15:14.20 | Bob332 | saloxin, access.log stats, apache |
| 15:14.21 | dimir | everyone wants that!!!!!!!!!!11 |
| 15:14.30 | Vanpriest | scarynetworkguy: i will check it out now |
| 15:15.03 | mwelsh | saloxin: no output. It seems that the screenshot in gimp still works... |
| 15:15.06 | saloxin | Bob332: i used webalizer a lot, might be better alt. out now |
| 15:15.38 | Bob332 | saloxin, cool lemme look |
| 15:15.51 | Vanpriest | scarynetworkguy: i cant follow the instruction, debian dont want to install the base system becuz it see mnot able to partition my raid5 |
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| 15:16.22 | ralfWORK | I do wonder how bad of an idea this is |
| 15:16.30 | saloxin | mwelsh: dpkg -L gnome-utils | grep screen |
| 15:16.52 | Rawplayer | re |
| 15:16.57 | mwelsh | saloxin: no output... |
| 15:17.22 | mwelsh | without the grep screen portion i get |
| 15:17.22 | mwelsh | /etc/gconf/schemas/gdict.schemas |
| 15:17.31 | guido_wrk | I'm having trouble getting an old Mach64CT chipset to work with XFree86 4.3 as supplied by debian 3.1. The driver failsto recognize the chipset. Other ati not-quite-as-old ati chipsets work fine |
| 15:17.38 | scarynetworkguy | Vanpriest: The first part of you statement is true beyond a doubt. |
| 15:17.42 | saloxin | mwelsh: then .. apt-get install gnome-utils? |
| 15:17.43 | guido_wrk | what can I do about this? |
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| 15:18.08 | scarynetworkguy | God hand some people the FM opened to the page they want and stil.... |
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| 15:18.34 | scarynetworkguy | Vanpriest: Read the links off of that article. If you do that and apply a lot of thought all should become clear. |
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| 15:19.52 | id | hi - is there a vhost limit on apache2-mpm-worker on debian sarge ? |
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| 15:19.53 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: sorry .. was afk |
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| 15:19.56 | id | 204 vhosts no problem |
| 15:20.01 | id | 205 vhosts stops apache with no error message during start |
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| 15:20.22 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Heh. |
| 15:20.34 | foxgamer | Hi all. I have just started reading LFS, and it says that I should be using 2.6.2 kernel, but I have 2.6.12 kernel. Should I/Do I need to upgrade? |
| 15:20.41 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: you don't scare me! |
| 15:20.58 | ipixnic | Linux APB-GW22 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Mon May 16 16:47:51 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 15:21.00 | ipixnic | me bad? |
| 15:21.07 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Bah! |
| 15:21.10 | abrotman | heh |
| 15:21.15 | mwelsh | saloxin: the package installed but the same issue exists. |
| 15:21.45 | DaSkreech | abrotman: Just to confirm to remove everything that depends on a meta-package reallynull you would deborphan reallynull | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge |
| 15:21.50 | mwelsh | its no big deal |
| 15:21.56 | mwelsh | i can still get a screenshot |
| 15:21.59 | mwelsh | via gimp |
| 15:22.25 | mymayer | is a tool on the DVD.iso 1 which checks the integrity of the DVD.install.sourcE ? |
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| 15:22.58 | Juanjo-ar | hi |
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| 15:23.05 | Juanjo-ar | I have a problem at debian |
| 15:23.17 | Juanjo-ar | I can use the sound card only if I am loging as root |
| 15:23.24 | Juanjo-ar | why this? how can I solv it? |
| 15:23.37 | abeo | how i can open port 10005 with iptables or something like it? |
| 15:23.47 | id | Juanjo-ar, add yourself to the audio group |
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| 15:24.14 | antgel | abeo: it's open unless you closed it |
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| 15:24.30 | snowgeese | HOW DO I INSTALL SKYPE |
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| 15:25.08 | snowgeese | DOES ANY ONE USE SKYPE? |
| 15:25.08 | abrotman | DaSkreech: no .. not really |
| 15:25.09 | bob2 | snowgeese: BY TYPING OMG LOLZ SKYPE INTO YOUR TERMINAL |
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| 15:25.20 | bob2 | snowgeese: or go to skype.com and get the statically linked tarball |
| 15:25.22 | abrotman | snowgeese: NOONE USES SKYPE |
| 15:25.31 | scarynetworkguy | God, is it "people who can't read get in for free day" or did I just get lucky? |
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| 15:25.46 | abrotman | no no .. this is people who can't type day :) |
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| 15:27.39 | quux_ | people drove nuts by lack of duel head day ... |
| 15:28.04 | abrotman | dual ? |
| 15:28.10 | quux_ | yes. |
| 15:28.12 | quux_ | sorry |
| 15:28.12 | antgel | quux_: my heart bleeds |
| 15:28.15 | quux_ | lol |
| 15:28.20 | abrotman | antgel: did you find the bastard? |
| 15:28.55 | abeo | antgel: but i dont know how to open it, and it's not open |
| 15:28.56 | quux_ | i have it set up ok but the second monitor is just all grbled junk. |
| 15:28.58 | thingfish | skype even has a .deb...that guy just didn't even look before asking. |
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| 15:29.12 | bibe | thingfish : sure |
| 15:29.14 | Ronin | thingfish: that doesnt really surprise you does it? |
| 15:29.25 | thingfish | Ronin: no, I guess it doesn't, really. |
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| 15:29.41 | abrotman | gizmo! |
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| 15:31.28 | bibe | how can I send an email with a file attached from command line? |
| 15:32.28 | stew | bibe: use mutt |
| 15:32.36 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Ahh. |
| 15:32.49 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: You use Debian. Make the hurting stop! |
| 15:32.53 | antgel | abrotman: nah, no time |
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| 15:33.16 | antgel | abrotman: chicken tikka roll |
| 15:33.38 | bibe | stew : thank you, but I'd like to send it from a server without installing anything more than exim4 and mailx |
| 15:33.49 | bibe | if it's possible, obviously |
| 15:34.51 | abrotman | antgel: iceberg lettuce? |
| 15:35.09 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: Opus Dei ? |
| 15:35.26 | quux_ | ill guess ill try it under xorg insted. |
| 15:35.48 | abrotman | !xorg sarge |
| 15:35.48 | dpkg | methinks xorg sarge is [1] add these to sources.list without quotes: "deb http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main" "deb-src http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main" [2] run the following command: apt-get update && apt-get install xserver-xorg [3] restart X |
| 15:36.04 | antgel | abrotman: a little but shredded and doused in yoghurt sauce |
| 15:36.05 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Heh. |
| 15:36.06 | quux_ | yeah read it allreddy |
| 15:36.13 | stew | bibe: you can pipe the mail with the body of the message already containing the mime encoded attachment to mailx, but then you have to figure out how to attach the mime which you could do with a number of programs but i don't know of any in the base install. |
| 15:36.18 | quux_ | its on its way. |
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| 15:36.26 | abrotman | antgel: i could do with a gyro today .. but i doubt it will happen |
| 15:36.27 | stew | bibe: or you could do it with perl, but you'd have ti install perl packages not in the base install |
| 15:36.29 | quux_ | i hope it works :D |
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| 15:37.03 | abrotman | Loading up the tractor .. gonna take the bodies inside .. betty lou will bring the sawdust and i got formaldehyde |
| 15:37.10 | abrotman | mmm ... |
| 15:37.31 | abrotman | wooho |
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| 15:39.03 | abrotman | aw crap .. gene simmons was here@! |
| 15:39.22 | cahoot | bibe: you can include it with ~r file - but that's not what you want? |
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| 15:39.23 | mymayer | just for information for some guys who have problems installing the DVD.iso cause auf "read erros". Just run the shell, umount the CDROM, mount it, surf some dirs and try again |
| 15:39.23 | TuesdayGal | I'm having a weird issue with my fresh install of Sarge. I can ping machines on my LAN, but not out to the internet. I did connect to ftp.debian.org for updates... but now stopped working. any ideas? |
| 15:40.25 | abrotman | TuesdayGal: do you have a gateway? and your netmask is correct? |
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| 15:40.47 | TuesdayGal | yes I have a gateway.... and the correct netmask I'll check on. |
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| 15:41.20 | TuesdayGal | looks good to me |
| 15:41.23 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: hello kitty ? |
| 15:41.31 | abrotman | TuesdayGal: route -n .. look ok? |
| 15:41.37 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: :/ |
| 15:41.40 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 15:44.16 | bibe | stew, cahoot: thank you |
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| 15:44.56 | drcode | hi all |
| 15:45.08 | TuesdayGal | abrotman: looks fine too |
| 15:45.27 | drcode | any one mybe know lite http server in linux? |
| 15:45.36 | ipixnic | zxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
| 15:46.19 | drcode | wht? |
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| 15:46.55 | Joyrider | drcode: lighttpd? |
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| 15:47.03 | Ronin | ipixnic: keyboard problems? |
| 15:47.40 | abrotman | TuesdayGal: a reboot does nothing ? |
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| 15:47.49 | abrotman | TuesdayGal: or /etc/init.d/networking restart ? |
| 15:48.07 | TuesdayGal | I'll try another |
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| 15:51.18 | TuesdayGal | abrotman: Still nothing... |
| 15:51.37 | abrotman | TuesdayGal: is your network card actually working? :) |
| 15:51.46 | abrotman | ifconfig -a |
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| 15:52.01 | ircdevil | !fun |
| 15:52.01 | dpkg | !find apt |
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| 15:52.57 | jason^ | how can extract the files from a .deb to a directory? |
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| 15:53.04 | abrotman | ar |
| 15:53.30 | TuesdayGal | I see both network interfaces.... only ones has an address (like it should) |
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| 15:53.40 | TuesdayGal | eth0 has a virtual interface on it too |
| 15:53.44 | TuesdayGal | which is correct |
| 15:53.58 | TuesdayGal | Yes.. it WAS working fine. |
| 15:54.10 | TuesdayGal | I got all my updates before... rmemeber? |
| 15:55.09 | TuesdayGal | brb |
| 15:55.16 | abrotman | but what got updated .. i thought perhaps your kernel got updated .. and took out your NIC |
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| 15:55.51 | jakenl | anyone using fail2ban? |
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| 15:56.14 | Shadur | What's the preferred gcc version for kernel compiles nowadays? |
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| 15:56.23 | stew | haha, i had a box that had an uptime >450 days, it finally went down becuase the client forgot to pay their bill to the hosting company |
| 15:56.38 | abrotman | hehe |
| 15:56.41 | Shadur | stew: Hah. |
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| 15:57.28 | Nvidiot | hmmm, why does this fail: route -n add -net 10.0.0.0/8 127.0.0.1 |
| 15:57.38 | Nvidiot | (This I do to test honeyd on localhost) |
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| 15:57.55 | Nvidiot | I recieve this error: SIOCADDRT: No such device |
| 15:57.56 | Shadur | Nvidiot: You missed the gw bit |
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| 15:58.22 | Nvidiot | Shadur: ? |
| 15:58.59 | Nvidiot | ah, I think I got it, thanks |
| 15:59.09 | bob2 | Nvidiot: shouldnt you be specifying an interface, too? |
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| 16:00.15 | Nvidiot | bob2: considering it gets tossed to 127.0.0.1, I'd say it would go over lo0 :) |
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| 16:00.23 | Nvidiot | or lo rather :) |
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| 16:02.09 | eLsaLmon | hola |
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| 16:02.33 | eLsaLmon | hay alguien español? |
| 16:02.36 | abrotman | !es |
| 16:02.36 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:03.30 | Nvidiot | next question: in what package is traceroute located? |
| 16:03.48 | abrotman | !tell Nvidiot about search |
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| 16:04.03 | laurens_ | hi |
| 16:04.18 | eLsaLmon | hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
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| 16:05.50 | abrotman | eLsaLmon: /join #debian-es |
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| 16:07.18 | emacsen | what's a nice utility to take a process that won't release its terminal and give it a psuedoterminal to spout on, other than just using & :) |
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| 16:08.08 | Nvidiot | screen ? |
| 16:08.26 | emacsen | Nvidiot: well... it's a process, like a demon, which doesn't have a deamon mode |
| 16:08.44 | emacsen | it's a daemon written by a dumbass, apparently |
| 16:08.55 | Nvidiot | I'm relatively linux n00b, so feel free to flame me :P |
| 16:08.57 | quux_ | still no luck |
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| 16:09.09 | charzero | I built a kernel from debian-kernel 2.6.12, it won't boot, kernel panic, can't mount root device hdb3 or unknown-block 0,1. I have the fs driver compiled into the kernel, and i know /dev/hdb3 is right. what might cause this? |
| 16:09.33 | charzero | rather, unknown-block (0,0) |
| 16:09.49 | Beik | charzero, forgot ide or scsi-driver? |
| 16:10.19 | abrotman | emacsen: nohup |
| 16:10.20 | abrotman | ? |
| 16:10.32 | fedex_ | hey guys, do you know how to solve temporally this bug? [ #314461 Samba with ldap backend segfaults --> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=314461 ] |
| 16:10.39 | abrotman | charzero: you forgot something related to your root partition |
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| 16:10.50 | charzero | Beik: yup, had ide as module. thanks. |
| 16:10.56 | alexey | hello all ! |
| 16:10.56 | emacsen | abrotman: but nohup will prevent it from responding to signals |
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| 16:11.47 | abrotman | fedex_: i used to get dumps lke that .. not using ldap .. but it turned out to be really flaky hardware :) |
| 16:11.58 | abrotman | emacsen: nohup keeps the command running after you logout .. |
| 16:12.27 | alexey | I have a question about GNU tar command - it's parameter "-N DATE" allows me to archieve files that are newer than DATE. But I have no idea how-to write this DATE parameter? plz help me. What's the right syntax for DATE ? |
| 16:12.40 | abrotman | nothing in the man page ? |
| 16:12.49 | alexey | absolutely none. |
| 16:12.59 | alexey | I have read all the GNU tar info docs too.. |
| 16:13.23 | abrotman | alexey: hehe .. was just going to say that :) |
| 16:13.57 | alexey | so u wanted me to RTFM ? lol :) |
| 16:13.58 | fedex_ | abrotman: Ok thanks , I'll check that too but I'm more confident that it's related to that bug in libnss-ldap library |
| 16:14.10 | abrotman | alexey: no .. but sometimes the info pages have more |
| 16:14.15 | Nvidiot | one *could* of course look into the sourcecode... It shouldn't be needed, but it's guaranteed to work |
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| 16:14.43 | abrotman | alexey: (as a side note .. i'd file a bug that there's no sample of the DATE format) |
| 16:14.54 | eliteforce | i've got a question, can i use the xorg package from testing with my stable sarge? |
| 16:15.00 | alexey | hmmm... I'm not a programmer, so source code will look alien to me... :( |
| 16:15.04 | abrotman | fedex_: all you can do is contact the maintainer .. or maybe ask #ldap or #samba .. but they'll probably send you back here |
| 16:15.12 | abrotman | !xorg sarge |
| 16:15.12 | dpkg | hmm... xorg sarge is [1] add these to sources.list without quotes: "deb http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main" "deb-src http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main" [2] run the following command: apt-get update && apt-get install xserver-xorg [3] restart X |
| 16:15.16 | abrotman | eliteforce: ^^ |
| 16:15.30 | alexey | I have tried to contact GNU tar developers, but they haven't responed me so far... (on their forum) |
| 16:15.47 | abrotman | alexey: did you try #gnu ? (i'd still file a bug) |
| 16:15.59 | nkuttler | alexey: um, info tar has docs about time format, at least in unstable |
| 16:16.04 | alexey | How can I file a bug for tar ? |
| 16:16.16 | alexey | They seem to have no bugzilla... :( |
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| 16:16.20 | nkuttler | alexey: and in stable as well |
| 16:16.28 | eliteforce | abrotman: thank you very much. and kde? |
| 16:17.02 | abrotman | eliteforce: people still use that ? |
| 16:17.04 | alexey | hmmm? really? strange... |
| 16:17.05 | abrotman | eliteforce: /topic |
| 16:17.07 | fedex_ | abrotman: I've send the report to 314461@bugs.debian.org, is that correct? |
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| 16:17.13 | abrotman | alexey: file a bug with debian |
| 16:17.23 | abrotman | fedex_: wasn't that your bug to begin with ? |
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| 16:17.42 | eliteforce | abrotman: .. i meant how can i install a more up2date kde too |
| 16:17.54 | abrotman | eliteforce: check the topic of this channel .. it mentions kde |
| 16:17.54 | possie | anyone in here using flexbackup with Ultrium tape driver as well? |
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| 16:17.57 | nkuttler | alexey: * Date input formats:: looks like what you want |
| 16:17.57 | alexey | abrotman - in principle I should try to find tar developers... |
| 16:18.06 | alexey | but thanks anyways... |
| 16:18.09 | alexey | yep |
| 16:18.16 | abrotman | alexey: if it's not a bug just in debian .. the debian guys will forward it to the GNU people |
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| 16:18.30 | fedex_ | abrotman: nope, I found it googling and sent my bug report to that address. |
| 16:18.35 | eliteforce | is there no backport for kde 3.4? |
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| 16:19.20 | abrotman | fedex_: ah ok |
| 16:19.22 | abrotman | !kde 3.4 |
| 16:19.22 | dpkg | KDE 3.4 is finally in etch. |
| 16:19.24 | abrotman | bah |
| 16:19.27 | abrotman | fucking stupid damn bot |
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| 16:19.31 | abrotman | eliteforce: ask #debian-kde |
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| 16:20.01 | JJK | Hello, does anyone know which user apache is running? |
| 16:20.11 | abrotman | alexey: i just looked at a gentoo system .. and there's no example there either |
| 16:20.14 | stew | JJK: www-data unless you went out of your way to change it |
| 16:20.23 | abrotman | alexey: i'd file the bug on the debian package .. and let them handle it |
| 16:20.42 | JJK | stew, thanks. I didn't change it manually, so it must be that. |
| 16:20.45 | JJK | Thank you. |
| 16:20.47 | stew | JJK: but you should figure this out for yourself with "ps aux | grep apache" |
| 16:20.51 | abrotman | ps aux | |
| 16:20.51 | abrotman | bha |
| 16:20.52 | alexey | nkuttler said there is some docs about it... |
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| 16:21.17 | alexey | it's strange that I couldn't find it anywhere... |
| 16:21.24 | abrotman | alexey: though i don't see what he's referencing |
| 16:21.42 | abrotman | oh .. in the info page .. i get it :) |
| 16:21.51 | dimir | why don't you check sources? |
| 16:21.52 | nkuttler | of course in the info page... it's GNUJ |
| 16:21.54 | nkuttler | GNU even |
| 16:22.14 | abrotman | yeah .. because who would ever want to make the information in the info page match the man page |
| 16:22.14 | alexey | because I'm not a programmer, and unable to understand sources |
| 16:22.32 | nkuttler | the man page states in BUGS that you have to read the info docs |
| 16:22.37 | abrotman | i know |
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| 16:22.48 | dimir | alexey: aight. |
| 16:22.49 | abrotman | but god dmanit .. make them match .. at least somewhat close :) |
| 16:23.07 | alexey | yes, but I have read *both* info AND man pages. |
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| 16:23.24 | dimir | alexey: I can check it from sources and send you the bill. :-P |
| 16:23.45 | h5n2 | + webs |
| 16:23.45 | abrotman | he already found it in the info page .. i think |
| 16:23.54 | alexey | dimir - big thanks then :P |
| 16:23.57 | SvperPhly | I have a question about linux software raid... when I run "mdadm /dev/md/0" it tells me: /dev/md/0: No md super block found, not an md component. However, when I run "mdadm --detail /dev/md/0" it gives me a full status report on the array... any ideas? |
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| 16:25.14 | CVirus_Paheronix | what is the real_root variable in the grub.conf ?! |
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| 16:25.38 | fop | how can i reconfigure X? |
| 16:25.42 | abrotman | !drxx fop |
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| 16:25.43 | dpkg | fop: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 16:25.59 | fop | it worked 10 minutes ago but then i played with some KDE settings and X stopped workign completely |
| 16:26.03 | stew | CVirus_Paheronix: what version of redhat are you running? |
| 16:26.17 | CVirus_Paheronix | stew: I'm on a gentoo system |
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| 16:26.37 | stew | CVirus_Paheronix: #grub |
| 16:26.42 | stew | CVirus_Paheronix: there is no grub.conf in debian |
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| 16:26.52 | mymayer | can i mount *.iso on the basesysten ? |
| 16:26.59 | CVirus_Paheronix | stew: oh .. sorry about that |
| 16:27.03 | sussudio | i've seen *!*@225.Red-213-98-1.staticIP.rima-tde.net getting tempbanned by debhelper for joinflooding every day for quite a while now. why doesn't someone set a permban? |
| 16:27.06 | dorto | grub.conf is old ; menu.1st is the new way |
| 16:27.48 | CVirus_Paheronix | Thanks |
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| 16:27.53 | bibe | mymayer : on the basesystem? |
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| 16:28.23 | novacasa | hi@all |
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| 16:30.12 | abrotman | gene simmons is back! |
| 16:30.13 | fop | abrotman which should i choose? |
| 16:30.21 | fop | if i have geforce 2 |
| 16:30.22 | fop | (nvidia) |
| 16:30.24 | mymayer | bibe i just installed the basesystem of dibian sarge form the DVD.iso. But somehow he cant read the DVD properly. So i want to mount the DVD.iso i downloaded |
| 16:30.31 | abrotman | dunno .. nv or nvidia i would guess |
| 16:30.37 | abrotman | dibian ? |
| 16:31.03 | bibe | mymayer: ah ok. mount -o loop /path/to/dvd.iso /empty/dir |
| 16:31.13 | mymayer | thank you |
| 16:31.19 | bibe | no problem |
| 16:31.25 | mymayer | i just need to find the drive/partition to mount |
| 16:31.29 | mymayer | then the rest |
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| 16:31.33 | abrotman | apt-cdrom |
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| 16:31.39 | fop | abrotman so whats this apt-reconfigure thingie? it just gives you ncurses ui to generate config files? |
| 16:31.47 | alexey | ok, thanks, found it. |
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| 16:31.52 | fop | and there is this ui for ANY debian package? |
| 16:32.04 | mymayer | which fstype is FAT32 in debian ? |
| 16:32.26 | bibe | mymayer : vfat |
| 16:32.37 | fop | dpkg-reconfigure i meant |
| 16:32.50 | abrotman | fop: many yes ... |
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| 16:33.52 | bibe | fop : dpkg-reconfigure uses Debian package scripts, if the package has been packaged with any user configuration "UI" you re-walk through the configuration process |
| 16:34.21 | omry | what happened to swi-prolog package in testing? |
| 16:34.25 | alexey | nkuttler - thank you very much ! and all others too. |
| 16:34.42 | fop | bibe yea i just figured that, thanks. |
| 16:34.47 | fop | how can i tell how much MB my video card supports |
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| 16:35.03 | jc__ | good afternoon |
| 16:35.11 | jeanjacques | hello i'm trouble with bind configuration on stable |
| 16:35.13 | mymayer | bibe how to list all partions of a specifig drive ? |
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| 16:35.23 | alexey | fop - it's often written on the vid card box or in the video BIOS. |
| 16:35.23 | stew | fop: you can "dpkg-reconfigure debconf" if you don't like the curses interface but switching to a x based interface is a bad idea, becuase then what if x is broken or not running |
| 16:35.24 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 16:35.31 | elephantman | How to copy one file every 10 ? |
| 16:35.34 | jeanjacques | is there someone who knows a specific iRV channel about bind and DNS on debian ? |
| 16:35.38 | bibe | mymayer : fdisk -l /dev/hdx |
| 16:35.38 | elephantman | in a list of 10000 files |
| 16:35.51 | TuesdayGal | I'm having a weird issue with my fresh install of Sarge. I can ping machines on my LAN, but not out to the internet. I did connect to ftp.debian.org for updates... but now stopped working. any ideas? |
| 16:36.10 | alexey | elephantman - what do you mean ? |
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| 16:36.34 | jeanjacques | TuesdayGal: any firewall ? |
| 16:36.40 | stew | fop: actually you can dpkg-reconfigure -fgnome pkgname ; or -fkde |
| 16:36.45 | elephantman | alexey: i have a dir with 10000 images files, i want to copy 1 on 10 (or else) in another dir |
| 16:36.57 | elephantman | alexey: to make a sequence |
| 16:37.26 | alexey | what do you mean "copy on" - u can't copy file "on" file. |
| 16:37.29 | bibe | TuesdayGal : 1. be sure your gateway and DNS are set properly; 2. if you are firewalled, it's better to use http (only one port involved in traffic) |
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| 16:37.54 | omry | in swi-prolog page at http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=swi-prolog it says swi-prolog is is scheduled for removal, Removal request by aba. what is aba? |
| 16:37.56 | zimnyx | can mplayer display DVD subtitles? |
| 16:38.00 | mymayer | thank you a lote bibe |
| 16:38.05 | TuesdayGal | jeanjacques: nope |
| 16:38.07 | TwistedEmotions | zimnyx: yes.. |
| 16:38.09 | bibe | mymayer : no problem |
| 16:38.18 | fop | bibe can you log in and see whts going on? :( |
| 16:38.20 | fop | it worked before |
| 16:38.21 | TuesdayGal | bibe ping doesn't use http though and that doesn't work. |
| 16:38.39 | fop | i hardly touched anyting and it stopped working |
| 16:38.44 | zimnyx | TwistedEmotions: thanks |
| 16:38.54 | mymayer | bibe he brings me an error |
| 16:38.59 | mymayer | loop wrong argument |
| 16:38.59 | Ronin | hardly touched anything? that like sort of pregnant? :) |
| 16:39.10 | fop | :ã |
| 16:39.17 | bibe | fop : log in where? |
| 16:39.19 | fop | i just changed KDE settings |
| 16:39.21 | mymayer | (loop loaded max 8 dives) |
| 16:39.22 | dimir | ö |
| 16:39.22 | fop | now the X refuses to work |
| 16:39.25 | alexey | elephantman - u mean rename file1 to file10 ? |
| 16:39.30 | fop | bibe to my machine :D |
| 16:39.35 | fop | dimir omg wut a fine face |
| 16:39.43 | dimir | ;-) |
| 16:39.47 | mymayer | ioctr : LOOP_SET_FD : wrong argument bibe |
| 16:39.52 | fop | dimir how did you do it |
| 16:40.06 | mymayer | ioctl : LOOP_SET_FD : invalid argument bibe |
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| 16:40.12 | bibe | TuesdayGal : can you ping, say, google.com? |
| 16:40.17 | dimir | fop: you have to be kidding. :-) |
| 16:40.17 | elephantman | alexey: no - copy ONE file every 10 file. |
| 16:40.28 | fop | dimir im not :D |
| 16:40.33 | elephantman | alexey: everytime you count 10 file, you take one |
| 16:40.40 | mymayer | after i tryied to mount with : mount -o loop /source sarge.iso |
| 16:40.48 | alexey | u mean cpy file1, file1 and file 21 to another dir ? |
| 16:40.50 | bibe | fop : to see what's going on with..? |
| 16:40.53 | abrotman | !u |
| 16:40.53 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 16:41.00 | dimir | fop: it's scandinavian letter in iso-8859-15 encoding |
| 16:41.00 | alexey | ahh, ok |
| 16:41.00 | fop | bibe why my X wont start |
| 16:41.02 | elephantman | alexey: ok forget oit |
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| 16:41.35 | mymayer | bibe : is it a proble, that the iso is on an ntfs partition ? |
| 16:41.36 | alexey | elephantman - ok, so "every" - let's see. |
| 16:41.59 | dimir | Damn it! Why is it so hard to make oneself work on Friday?!?!?!??!??!??!?!? |
| 16:42.04 | abrotman | !poets |
| 16:42.06 | elephantman | alexey: in a list of files from file0 to file100 you take : file0, file11, file21...Etc |
| 16:42.08 | abrotman | bah |
| 16:42.15 | abrotman | stew?!?!? |
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| 16:42.26 | elephantman | alexey: and copy those in another dir |
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| 16:42.31 | bibe | mymayer : there should be no problems |
| 16:42.39 | ubuntudude | hi, how can I manually download kernel-image as .deb? |
| 16:42.46 | mymayer | bibe : iam getting this error : ioctl : LOOP_SET_FD : invalid argument bibe |
| 16:42.50 | bibe | mymayer : are you doing it as root? |
| 16:42.56 | mymayer | bibe yes |
| 16:43.03 | alexey | elephantman - I understand.. let me think. |
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| 16:43.30 | abrotman | ubuntudude: #ubuntu |
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| 16:43.47 | mymayer | bibe : #mouting a ntfs partition propery : mount /dev/hde5 /test -t ntfs ? |
| 16:43.50 | ubuntudude | abrotman: I ment for a debian. My debian got broken, now I'm fixing it using ubuntu |
| 16:43.50 | bibe | mymayer : so you created an empty dir and 'mount -o loop dvd.iso /<the_dir> ? |
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| 16:43.57 | abrotman | ubuntudude: use wget |
| 16:43.58 | mymayer | yes |
| 16:44.10 | mymayer | bibe : first i did a "mkdir /source" |
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| 16:44.14 | ubuntudude | abrotman: yes, but whats the URL? for 2.6.8 i386 or simmi;ar 2.6.x |
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| 16:44.25 | Daveman | sup abrotman |
| 16:44.26 | eleftherios | is there a log somewhere that 'records' passwd changes? |
| 16:44.27 | abrotman | ubuntudude: packages.debian.org |
| 16:44.28 | abrotman | Daveman: hi |
| 16:44.34 | ubuntudude | abrotman: ok |
| 16:44.39 | mymayer | bibe : then : mount -o loop /source sarge.iso |
| 16:45.02 | bibe | mymayer : no... mount -o loop sarge.iso /source |
| 16:45.11 | xelam | bibe: no |
| 16:45.18 | xelam | yes |
| 16:45.18 | ubuntudude | I can just unpack the vmlinuz + System.map from debian's .deb and put on same /boot on with I have ubuntu64 kernels, and manualy edit menu.lst? |
| 16:45.19 | xelam | mymayer: no |
| 16:45.20 | Daveman | heh |
| 16:45.21 | xelam | >.< |
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| 16:45.38 | ubuntudude | as in - /dev/hda1 will be /boot for both ubuntu64 and debian32 kernels, I will update them manually |
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| 16:46.38 | alexey | elephantman - solution: you will need to build a script, which is exaplined here: |
| 16:46.38 | alexey | http://rute.2038bug.com/node10.html.gz |
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| 16:48.03 | bibe | bop1 : screen with no options? |
| 16:48.19 | bop1 | yea no options |
| 16:48.32 | TwistedEmotions | if you had to choose between either hotplug or hal, udev, gnome-volume-manager, & gnome-desktop-environment packages which would you choose? Seems like theres a conflict in testing and I can only pick one of the two.. |
| 16:48.55 | bop1 | sorry didnt have screen, now i installed |
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| 16:48.57 | bop1 | try now 'screen' |
| 16:48.59 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: udev is going to be forced down your throat eventually |
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| 16:49.02 | mymayer | bibe it doesnt work, but my iso has a realy crazy name...how to rename it ? |
| 16:49.09 | TwistedEmotions | if you had to choose between either hotplug OR hal & udev & gnome-volume-manager & gnome-desktop-environment packages which would you choose? Seems like theres a conflict in testing and I can only pick one of the two.. |
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| 16:49.21 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: and it will replace hotplug? |
| 16:49.33 | mymayer | xelam : no ? |
| 16:49.42 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: never heard of udev... is it the same thing as hotplug basically? |
| 16:49.43 | mymayer | xelam : how to mount the sarge DVD.iso now ? |
| 16:49.49 | Phroziac | Hi, i apt-getted the "vcdtools" package. how can i find the binary it installed? |
| 16:50.45 | abrotman | !udev |
| 16:50.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit, or <stew> anymous: its not a trojan, its udev |
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| 16:50.46 | abrotman | !apt-cdrom |
| 16:50.46 | dpkg | it has been said that apt-cdrom is used to add new CDROMS to the apts list of available sources |
| 16:50.46 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: ty sir ;) |
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| 16:52.47 | TwistedEmotions | apt-get remove hotplug -purge |
| 16:52.47 | TwistedEmotions | eps: Command line option 'p' [from -purge] is not known. |
| 16:52.51 | TwistedEmotions | ? |
| 16:53.07 | eliteforce | apt-get remove --purge hotplug maybe |
| 16:53.09 | ChrisW | if a bash script, -d x will be true if x exists as a directory, how do I do something similar to return true if x exists and is a symbolic link? |
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| 16:53.27 | TwistedEmotions | ahh kk... ty eliteforce |
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| 16:53.29 | xelam | mymayer: what bibe said |
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| 16:53.43 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: it's --purge |
| 16:54.01 | mymayer | it doesn work |
| 16:54.15 | TwistedEmotions | ohh |
| 16:54.20 | mymayer | iam getting this error : ioctl : LOOP_SET_FD : invalid argument bibe |
| 16:54.21 | TwistedEmotions | whoops.. didnt see that; ) |
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| 16:54.35 | mymayer | xelam i did it that way too : |
| 16:54.35 | mymayer | modprobe loop |
| 16:54.35 | mymayer | mount -t iso9660 -o loop myimage.iso /mnt/iso |
| 16:54.42 | fevel | i want to save a win98 harddisk, so I conected the HD to my debian system. How do I mount the newly installed harddisk? would mountpy do it?? |
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| 16:54.49 | xelam | mymayer: and that didn't work? |
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| 16:55.02 | mymayer | xelam no : |
| 16:55.06 | xelam | if it's a DVD it might not be iso9660 |
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| 16:55.10 | xelam | try udf |
| 16:55.13 | mymayer | ok |
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| 16:55.50 | ChrisW | -h, btw ;-) |
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| 16:56.30 | mymayer | xelam : same error with UDF |
| 16:56.48 | thingfish | fevel: define the drive in /etc/fstab (use fdisk -l to see which drive is the win98 one), then mount it. |
| 16:57.05 | xelam | mymayer: try without -t at all |
| 16:57.26 | mymayer | ok |
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| 16:57.46 | mymayer | xelam doesnt work |
| 16:57.56 | fevel | thingfish:_| I dont know the code to fstab...is it "mount /dev/hdb /home/placetomount"? |
| 16:58.21 | xelam | mymayer: maybe it's corrupted then |
| 16:58.24 | xelam | have you md5-ed it? |
| 16:58.41 | fevel | "mount /dev/hdb /home/placetomount |
| 16:58.53 | mymayer | no, i downloaded it woth my XP and burned it down to an DVD |
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| 16:58.59 | snowzz | hi, does anybody know where i can find current gnome-bluetooth packages? the usefullinc repo looks empty |
| 16:59.01 | bibe | xelam : it seems that the iso was burned and installed from the dvd |
| 16:59.11 | thc | fevel: the syntax is thoroughly explained in the man page for mount |
| 16:59.18 | thingfish | fevel: your mount stuff looks right. just open fstab as root, with say nano or vim or gedit etc., and follow the patterns in there. I've personally never set up a vfat partition. |
| 16:59.50 | xelam | bibe: erm ok o.O |
| 16:59.54 | xelam | mymayer: so? |
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| 17:00.09 | thingfish | it would probably be something like /dev/?d? /mnt/wherever vfat defaults 0 0 but then I don't really know. |
| 17:00.12 | xelam | mymayer: what does that have to do with checking its md5sum |
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| 17:00.39 | mymayer | bibe exactyl : i burned down the iso, then installed. now somehow after i installed the basesystem, it cant read the DVD properly. I got this problem on the installation too, then i umounted and mounted the drive and it worked. |
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| 17:01.38 | mymayer | xelam how to make a md5 checksum xerophyte |
| 17:01.40 | mymayer | xelam |
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| 17:02.04 | xelam | md5sum somefile |
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| 17:02.37 | bibe | mymayer : so it's probably a disc problem |
| 17:03.00 | bibe | mymayer : well, the iso too can be corrupted |
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| 17:09.57 | Rawplayer | re |
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| 17:11.56 | TwistedEmotions | Is xfree86 the newer one of xorg? |
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| 17:12.57 | Phroziac | to my knowledge, xorg is a recent fork. |
| 17:12.58 | ubuntudude | I cant install debian STABLE on my laptop, shoulld I file in a bug report? |
| 17:13.09 | DirkS | evening |
| 17:13.22 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: xorg is derived from xfree86 .. most distros(if not all) have/are switching to xorg |
| 17:13.26 | ubuntudude | after install and first reboot GRUB reports Grub Hard Disc Error. Same thing with ubuntu. Only Aurox installed o.k. so far... |
| 17:13.27 | ubuntudude | so? |
| 17:13.38 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: kk thanks |
| 17:13.53 | charzero | How come regardless of my Modes in xorg.conf, i get 800x600? |
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| 17:14.04 | abrotman | check the xorg logs .. |
| 17:14.35 | ubuntudude | any help? stable do not installcorectly (grub dont boot) |
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| 17:16.06 | DirkS | Got a Sarge Kernel Build problem - System won't boot properly from external ATA controller ... any Specialist around ? |
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| 17:16.32 | ubuntudude | noone? |
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| 17:16.47 | ubuntudude | ok, so noone cares that debian stable fails to install on my laptop, where aurox 10.0 works |
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| 17:17.00 | dubid | hi all.. |
| 17:17.07 | dubid | can anyone help me? |
| 17:17.15 | ubuntudude | dub: with? |
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| 17:17.23 | dubid | with debian+skype |
| 17:17.30 | ubuntudude | !ask |
| 17:17.31 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 17:17.31 | abrotman | skype isn't in debian |
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| 17:17.43 | dubid | i can't get the mic work |
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| 17:18.03 | abrotman | turn the volume up |
| 17:18.13 | dubid | nope...already done.. |
| 17:18.22 | dubid | all volumes at max |
| 17:18.23 | mansu_ | dubid: be precise... wht r u using alsa? check if u have mic1 or mic 2 selected |
| 17:18.40 | dubid | ok..i use alsa, and i have selected mic 1 |
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| 17:18.55 | ubuntudude | "I have a problem with debian installation of GRUB; I'm running Debian version latest stable net-install. when I try to install it I get the following output "Grub Hard Disc Error." after the first freboot after 1st step of install. I expected it to boot up instead. |
| 17:19.04 | mansu_ | dubid: try now... |
| 17:19.10 | mansu_ | hi all |
| 17:19.35 | dubid | i can hear my voice in the mic...then the mic work in the system..but not in skype, i think is a skype problema |
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| 17:20.37 | dubid | suggestions? |
| 17:21.05 | thingfish | ubuntudude: and you have no problems during the partitioning part of setup, or at any other time during install? |
| 17:21.14 | ubuntudude | thingfish: no |
| 17:21.26 | mansu_ | dubid: did u check skype forums? are ur settings the same as they shud be? |
| 17:21.32 | thingfish | it's a laptop, so probably just regular slow pata drive... |
| 17:21.36 | ubuntudude | thingfish: but, some partition managers see empty (zero length) "ghost partitions", I suppose this old laptop have wired HDD and/or BIOS |
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| 17:21.48 | dubid | no, i have never been in skype forums.. |
| 17:21.50 | thingfish | hmm... |
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| 17:22.05 | ubuntudude | in example aurox do see always a Free Space partition with start sectore == end sector == 1, now that is wired |
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| 17:22.16 | ubuntudude | it installs correctly though (aurox 10.0) |
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| 17:22.51 | thingfish | ubuntudude: and you allow GRUB to be written to the MBR? |
| 17:22.53 | dubid | i think i'll post in skpe forum |
| 17:22.57 | ubuntudude | thingfish: yes |
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| 17:23.14 | ubuntudude | thingfish: I alsow tried dd the MBR created by previous install of aurox |
| 17:23.15 | mansu_ | dubid: they have clear guidelines.. all they miss is that mic1 thing... everything else shud do |
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| 17:23.30 | ubuntudude | thingfish: perhaps its time to try recreating MBR+grub using knoppix? |
| 17:23.37 | mansu_ | also when running from kde use artsd .. instead of skype directly |
| 17:23.37 | TheCount | hello :) |
| 17:23.46 | mansu_ | dubid: ^ |
| 17:23.46 | thingfish | ubuntudude: maybe not a bad idea. |
| 17:23.56 | teclo | Hello I have two identical machines with Debian Sarge, but on one of them, when I try to boot with a custom 2.6.x kernel, I get "mount: unknown filesystem type 'devfs'" and then "Kernel panic: - not syncing: attempting to kill init!" ... It's the same .config on both machines, though... any idea ? |
| 17:23.59 | wireddd | this has nothing to do with debian, but where is a good place to buy a 40u rackmount cabinet? |
| 17:23.59 | ubuntudude | thingfish: can you (and others) help a bit? |
| 17:24.30 | FarrisG | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:24.40 | thingfish | well ubuntudude, if you can get to grub-install, it's pretty straightforward. |
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| 17:24.52 | TheCount | teclo: hmm. different module lists used for the initrd? .. btw, you should move away from devfs soon |
| 17:25.16 | mzilikazi64 | update-alternatives says: Add a group of alternatives to the system. name is the generic name for the master link, - what is the master link for x-cursor-theme? |
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| 17:25.42 | teclo | TheCount: aaah, thank you.. I'm gonna check that... where's that stuff ? /etc/initrd/modules something ? Anyway, I don't want to use devfs at any cost.... |
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| 17:26.31 | TheCount | teclo: it's gone in newer kernels anyway |
| 17:26.56 | teclo | TheCount: yeah but for some reason the 2.6 kernels tries to mount devfs thingies |
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| 17:28.52 | mzilikazi64 | ok then how to add a new cursor theme to update-alternatives? |
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| 17:31.20 | TheCount | re. |
| 17:31.34 | teclo | TheCount: /etc/mkinitrd/modules are identical on both machines |
| 17:31.57 | teclo | TheCount: perhaps am I not doing mkinitrd right ? I do mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.14 2.6.14 |
| 17:32.10 | TheCount | teclo: hm. strange. had a look at the resulting binaries? |
| 17:32.26 | TheCount | teclo: oh, I never to that, I let the install process take care of that |
| 17:32.31 | TheCount | s/to/do/ |
| 17:32.37 | teclo | TheCount: aah, how can I do that ? |
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| 17:32.50 | TheCount | teclo: dpkg -i linux-image-XXX.deb |
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| 17:33.16 | teclo | TheCount: yeah but I have to use make-kpkg and all of that ? I don't like that, sorry |
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| 17:33.35 | TheCount | teclo: well, too bad :D |
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| 17:34.21 | teclo | TheCount: isn't there some way to build the initrd from /usr/src/linux ? Something like make initrd ? |
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| 17:35.54 | etam | hello |
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| 17:36.55 | etam | if the package i want to install isnt in apt-get, what should i do rather than downloading and compiling it myselfe? |
| 17:37.13 | SerajewelKS | etam: no packages are "in apt-get" |
| 17:37.30 | stew | etam: what pacakge? |
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| 17:37.40 | etam | stew: any |
| 17:37.52 | SerajewelKS | etam: but if there is no debian package for some program you want, you don't really have a choice |
| 17:37.54 | etam | stew: for example kdevelop or eclipse |
| 17:38.04 | SerajewelKS | etam: kdevelop isn't in debian? |
| 17:38.09 | SerajewelKS | !info kdevelop |
| 17:38.22 | SerajewelKS | hrm |
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| 17:38.48 | SerajewelKS | etam: for eclipse just untar it to your home folder and run it from there |
| 17:38.55 | stew | etam: kdevelop is in debian, eclipse is not |
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| 17:39.07 | stew | etam: eclipse you need to install by hand as far as i know |
| 17:39.11 | SerajewelKS | stew: is kdevelop only in sid? |
| 17:39.14 | outlaw84 | What relation does ALi and ULi have? |
| 17:39.16 | fando | does the debian eclipse config require some special method to install plugins? |
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| 17:39.32 | etam | stew: ok, it was a bad example |
| 17:39.40 | fando | I unzipped a plugin in my eclipse/plugins but it doesn't load |
| 17:39.49 | stew | etam: in general, other places to check for packages are apt-get.org debian-unofficial.org |
| 17:39.53 | SerajewelKS | fando: afaik there is no "debian eclipse config" |
| 17:40.00 | stew | etam: kdevelop being a kde app, you should ask about it on #debian-kde |
| 17:40.03 | etam | stew: a package like kadu from kadu.net is in .deb but there is not available in apt-get |
| 17:40.03 | fando | oh ok, then it's an eclipse thing |
| 17:40.21 | hytt | etam> dpkg -i file.deb |
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| 17:40.25 | hytt | lol |
| 17:40.35 | stew | etam: then download the deb and dpkg -i it, or see if kadu has a repository you can add to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:41.09 | etam | hytt: i know that but maybe there are other repositories which have more applications... |
| 17:41.34 | etam | stew: oooh, than there are repositories? |
| 17:41.57 | etam | stew: thaks for help |
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| 17:42.58 | rosco_bis | have you already seen this ? a debian box that cannot boot if no screen is connected! |
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| 17:43.43 | SerajewelKS | etam: kdevelop is in debian |
| 17:43.47 | SerajewelKS | !info kdevelop3 |
| 17:43.50 | dpkg | kdevelop3: (An IDE for Unix/X11 - development version), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.2.2-0.5 (sid), Packaged size: 1072 kB, Installed size: 3528 kB |
| 17:44.03 | SerajewelKS | just with an obfuscated package name |
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| 17:44.38 | SerajewelKS | and it's not in testing |
| 17:44.44 | TheCount | ok, now for real - sorry for the joining/quitting, should have done it outside. |
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| 17:45.24 | linxx | hello |
| 17:45.44 | linxx | need your help, which is a lighter alternative to access network folder, konqueror, nautilus or install samba and linneighborhood |
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| 17:46.06 | linxx | I did a minimal install using flux as wm |
| 17:46.09 | TheCount | linxx: um, what do you need them for? |
| 17:46.11 | takatumi | ssh and ls |
| 17:46.22 | SerajewelKS | linxx: imho konqueror is the simplest samba frontend |
| 17:46.22 | TheCount | linxx: we're doing CIFS mounts here |
| 17:46.24 | linxx | to access share folder |
| 17:46.32 | SerajewelKS | kingsley: that doesn't make it lightweight but it's very easy to use |
| 17:46.41 | SerajewelKS | s/kingsley/linxx/ |
| 17:47.10 | TheCount | linxx: if they're always the same you might want to consider mounting them on bootup |
| 17:47.16 | linxx | Im thinking which one to use for easy access on my window share |
| 17:47.48 | linxx | access floppy drive on windows |
| 17:48.06 | linxx | saving files on floppy |
| 17:48.44 | SerajewelKS | linxx: TheCount has a good point. if the mountpoint and share name are static, put them in /etc/fstab |
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| 17:49.23 | SerajewelKS | linxx: then it will always be available as a folder on your linux filesystem |
| 17:49.31 | linxx | how bout on the case of floppy |
| 17:49.36 | TheCount | linxx: .. and if you don't want to be asked for a password on every bootup, you can use the credentials= parameter, in case this doesn't impose a security problem |
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| 17:50.06 | SerajewelKS | linxx: how is a floppy different from anything else |
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| 17:50.17 | linxx | its not always same floppy you know switching from one floppy to another |
| 17:50.21 | mansu_ | is there a web based system for reporting bugs? |
| 17:50.24 | SerajewelKS | linxx: so? |
| 17:50.47 | SerajewelKS | linxx: smb takes care of media changes afaik.. each time you get a list of a share's contents it will show whatever's there |
| 17:51.01 | linxx | I see |
| 17:51.17 | SerajewelKS | linxx: i think, anyway. there might be some mount option to disable smb caching. |
| 17:51.28 | mansu_ | also when reportbug fails to send a bug report,it saves it in tmp, but how can i ask report bug to use the same report instead of creating a new one? |
| 17:51.29 | SerajewelKS | linxx: of course then repeated read/writes will be slower |
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| 17:52.18 | linxx | ok, so which do you suggest konqueror or nautilus? |
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| 17:54.30 | SerajewelKS | linxx: i suggest konqueror because i've used it before =) |
| 17:55.05 | linxx | SerajewelKS: thanks for the tip |
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| 17:55.24 | splinux | hi |
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| 17:56.09 | Ethan | Hi |
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| 17:56.41 | chibikeandy | I have a question about the boot cds... why won't they boot? |
| 17:56.59 | linxx | SerajewelKS: btw how can I create a desktop icon in flux or icewm? |
| 17:57.16 | chibikeandy | I was trying to get a netfinity pIII server up, but the three cds (net install/business card/minimal) do not seem to work |
| 17:57.17 | linxx | coz my desktop is empty |
| 17:57.20 | Ethan | Is there a cd for "AMD athlon xp"? Or do I have to use x86? |
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| 17:58.38 | mansu_ | is there a web based system for reporting bugs? |
| 17:58.45 | charzero | why do my mount points turn to root:root 500 when i mount them? |
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| 17:58.54 | TheCount | Ethan: the latter |
| 17:59.11 | TheCount | charzero: because the root node of the filesystem has this permissions? |
| 17:59.37 | mzilikazi64 | can someone explain what /etc/X11/cursors/whiteglass.theme is for? what is "Inherits=whiteglass" ? |
| 17:59.41 | TheCount | charzero: of the mounted filesystem, anyway. if it is a filesystem without permission structure, then it's the default of the filesystem driver |
| 17:59.42 | Ethan | Even if the label is 386, it is x86 ? (quite confusing...) |
| 17:59.48 | dorto | i have put xset dpms command in .bash_profile but it is not executed until i manually run source .bash_profile. why? |
| 18:00.02 | mzilikazi64 | Ethan: x is a variable? |
| 18:00.13 | TheCount | Ethan: every x86 is downwards compatible to 386 (hopefully *eg*) |
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| 18:00.36 | charzero | TheCount: its an ntfs partition. (ro). can i make it world-readable? |
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| 18:01.34 | Ethan | yes but he amd athlon xp is not really a x86 but is a kind of clone of the i686.... (I think) |
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| 18:01.38 | TheCount | charzero: yes, see "man 8 mount", unter ntfs options. you can set gid, uid and umask. |
| 18:01.41 | dorto | automatically mounted ntfs partitions in sarge are readable by everyone |
| 18:01.46 | adjacent | is it possible to install a package without apt-get and make it ignore dependencies? |
| 18:01.48 | ubuntudude | MBR is in first 512 byes of /dev/hda or hda1? or is it the same? |
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| 18:02.06 | TheCount | Ethan: and i686 is a sucessor of the 386 .. and all of them are ia32 .. so, you'll be fine :) |
| 18:02.09 | chibikeandy | adjacent: yeah... dpkg should have something to do that |
| 18:02.14 | dorto | ubuntudude: hda is the drive; hd0 is the first partition |
| 18:02.15 | TheCount | ubuntudude: the former |
| 18:02.18 | chibikeandy | or at least it did... |
| 18:02.26 | rohal | i am unable to share files $ fileshareset --add ./upload Can't open perl script "/usr/kde/3.4/bin/fileshareset": Permission denied |
| 18:02.36 | adjacent | chibikeandy: ok. ill do it with dkpg. |
| 18:02.37 | ubuntudude | wtf is former? |
| 18:02.37 | adjacent | thanks |
| 18:02.39 | ubuntudude | hda or hda1 |
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| 18:02.46 | chibikeandy | but uh... be careful adjacent |
| 18:02.51 | TheCount | ubuntudude: the former, not the latter. hda, not hda1 |
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| 18:02.55 | adjacent | chibikeandy: ;) |
| 18:02.56 | chibikeandy | i've messed up my debian install on my PPC |
| 18:02.59 | ubuntudude | ok |
| 18:03.04 | chibikeandy | and now apt-get fails to work at all |
| 18:03.09 | ubuntudude | chibikeandy: me too \o/ |
| 18:03.11 | ubuntudude | chibikeandy: how? |
| 18:03.16 | Ethan | I know but.... so this version of debian is for i386? And this is not the best for me but I don't have the choice.... |
| 18:03.19 | djtech | Hello all! |
| 18:03.24 | TheCount | ubuntudude: as dorto said, hda is the drive, hdaX are the partitions ... |
| 18:03.32 | ubuntudude | chibikeandy: I installed udev so new that it removed hotplug and now NOTHIG works besides video and keyboard cards |
| 18:03.44 | TheCount | ubuntudude: you can have only 4 partitions, the remainder (hda5-hdaN) are logical drives |
| 18:03.49 | chibikeandy | I think it was the vlc packages from like 2 years ago |
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| 18:03.51 | adjacent | chibikeandy: ok. well. how do i install cacti-cactid, without cacti? i dont think a web app like cacti needs a package, but the polling binary does... |
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| 18:04.21 | chibikeandy | adjacent: unsure... no experience with that specific package |
| 18:04.26 | TheCount | ubuntudude: (the MBR has only space for 4 'primary' partitons, of which one may be an 'extended' partition defining logical drives) |
| 18:04.40 | chibikeandy | hell, I can't even get the boot cd to work anymore |
| 18:04.47 | mansu_ | hi all,is there any other way to report a bug other than reportbug?something like a web interface or something...i did not find any such links on the site |
| 18:04.51 | TheCount | chibikeandy: whoops? what kind of PPC? |
| 18:05.01 | chibikeandy | G3 beige |
| 18:05.19 | TheCount | chibikeandy: can you still get into the OpenFirmware? |
| 18:05.29 | chibikeandy | oh yeah... the install still boots of course |
| 18:05.32 | djtech | he is there a Dam Small linux irc anyone know, I can't do a list from my location |
| 18:05.35 | djtech | hey' |
| 18:05.38 | chibikeandy | but I just can't use apt-get for installing packages |
| 18:06.02 | chibikeandy | so I have to use dpkg or compile from source |
| 18:06.05 | TheCount | chibikeandy: what kind of install CD are you using? |
| 18:06.11 | mymayer | someone used FreeNX with sarge stable ? |
| 18:06.27 | ubuntudude | ok, so |
| 18:06.28 | TheCount | djtech: please rephrase your question? |
| 18:06.29 | chibikeandy | well, I've tried the x86 minimal, the business card, and the netboot |
| 18:06.39 | chibikeandy | and on ppc I've tried the minimal as well |
| 18:06.41 | chibikeandy | for sarge |
| 18:06.43 | TheCount | chibikeandy: on a PPC?!? |
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| 18:06.48 | addNtoX | hi folks |
| 18:06.57 | mymayer | Guys iam just a 10 minute old Debian user. I installed sarge stable. Which is the best way to install/search for new packages ? |
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| 18:07.00 | chibikeandy | no no... ppc disks on the ppc, x86 disks on the pentium three |
| 18:07.02 | TheCount | chibikeandy: sarge, testing? rc? release? |
| 18:07.18 | chibikeandy | release |
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| 18:07.27 | Gnea | !best |
| 18:07.27 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 18:07.28 | thingfish | mymayer: apt-cache search, or if you prefer gui, synaptic. |
| 18:07.28 | TheCount | mymayer: I suggest aptitude :) |
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| 18:07.36 | ubuntudude | after 1st step of debian STABLE NET-INSTALL instead of booting (I cant boot) I fixed the system by using MBR and kernel from simmilar distro, that do work. if after such "transplat" I will boot up (using Aurox 10.0 mbr for this disk, and aurox kernels) will it work? |
| 18:07.40 | addNtoX | does anybody know a desktop which is mainly based on qt but not as massive as kde? a desktop which is to kde like xfce is to gnome? |
| 18:07.42 | TheCount | chibikeandy: hm. what's the problem when trying to install packages? |
| 18:07.46 | chiffer_chap | Excuse me, what's the room for Debian PPC? |
| 18:08.02 | javux | what does "dpkg --configure -a" means ? |
| 18:08.08 | mymayer | TheCount: thingfish thank you |
| 18:08.09 | Gnea | ubuntudude: you just said that you fixed it and that it works, now you're asking if it will work? |
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| 18:08.23 | TheCount | ubuntudude: sounds fishy |
| 18:08.25 | chibikeandy | oh, I forgot... lost interest awhile back, just kinda left it for dead |
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| 18:08.33 | ubuntudude | Gnea: no, I ssaid Im fixing it right now and I wonder will it work |
| 18:08.34 | mymayer | thingfish : how to use apt-cache ? For example i want to install fluxbox |
| 18:08.36 | ubuntudude | ok, lets find out |
| 18:08.37 | dazed | Anyone know how to recover data from a Dell Hardware Raid 1 hdd? |
| 18:08.42 | TheCount | chibikeandy: well, wipe the partition block, reinstall ;) |
| 18:08.44 | djtech | Ok. Sorry about that. I use DSL linux "debian based" on my machine. Right now I am not booted into it but should be in a day or so. Was wondering if they hang out here or in another channel. |
| 18:08.45 | chibikeandy | the boot CD thing bothers me more |
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| 18:08.48 | TheCount | chibikeandy: or just shred the disc ;) |
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| 18:09.00 | TheCount | chibikeandy: please elaborate? :) |
| 18:09.00 | thingfish | mymayer: well, apt-cache is for searching...if you know what you want to install, apt-get install foo |
| 18:09.01 | Urbinek | HI ALL >>> is there anyone from poland ?? << |
| 18:09.03 | chibikeandy | well, I would TheCount, but that brings me back to the whole bootcd issue |
| 18:09.08 | chibikeandy | well, hmmm |
| 18:09.14 | mymayer | I have a problme with mxy xserver. It fails starting cause it could not detect my mouse. How to reinstall the mouse |
| 18:09.18 | mymayer | ok |
| 18:09.19 | TheCount | chibikeandy: I think you could boot the install cd on the G3? |
| 18:09.24 | Gnea | !pl |
| 18:09.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pl is sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl |
| 18:09.29 | TheCount | chibikeandy: if not, force it from the openfirmware |
| 18:09.34 | thingfish | mymayer: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 18:09.38 | djtech | I am in Iraq does that count ! |
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| 18:09.47 | Urbinek | im from polska :D |
| 18:09.49 | ubuntudude | hmm ir is booting up |
| 18:09.52 | chibikeandy | on the IBM, it pops up a message about being unable to boot, |
| 18:09.53 | Gnea | djtech: are you human? |
| 18:09.56 | chibikeandy | I'll have to write it down |
| 18:09.58 | ubuntudude | djtech: what? |
| 18:09.59 | thingfish | mymayer: normally one picks /dev/input/mice |
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| 18:10.09 | chibikeandy | Ignore the PPC for now... I might just toss that machine, or sell it |
| 18:10.12 | ubuntudude | Urbinek: all hail the Kaczynski! Sigh Heil \o/ |
| 18:10.32 | Urbinek | i hate kaczyñski |
| 18:10.35 | TheCount | chibikeandy: toss it over to me ;) |
| 18:10.36 | ubuntudude | me too \o/ |
| 18:10.36 | Gnea | retawdedness. |
| 18:10.37 | Urbinek | he sux |
| 18:10.49 | Urbinek | i prefer Tusk ;] |
| 18:10.50 | ubuntudude | kaczynski is retarded conservatist moron. somthing like bush |
| 18:10.52 | chibikeandy | well, you pay for shipping and I'd be more than happy to |
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| 18:10.57 | Gnea | unintelligence. and a lack of education. |
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| 18:11.06 | Gnea | ubuntudude: you will stop now. |
| 18:11.19 | Urbinek | hehe |
| 18:11.33 | Urbinek | but kaczyñski realy syx :D |
| 18:11.35 | ubuntudude | Gnea: you WANT to give me all your money |
| 18:11.46 | Urbinek | *sux |
| 18:11.55 | ubuntudude | *Jedi |
| 18:12.07 | chibikeandy | oh... might be a bit pricey to ship from the US to Europe |
| 18:12.10 | djtech | I am contractor for the ARMY stationed in IRAQ right now using a sat-uplink, I just got it working. |
| 18:12.17 | TheCount | ignore it, and it will go away. giving him/her/it attention only prolongs the suffering ;) |
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| 18:12.37 | ubuntudude | Gnea: ok ok, I stop the offtopic now |
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| 18:12.47 | Gnea | djtech: oh very cool! |
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| 18:12.52 | Gnea | djtech: how's the weather? |
| 18:12.58 | ubuntudude | as long as djtech will be so kind and stop admiting beeing in OCCUPATION army, I will not discuss it |
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| 18:12.59 | Urbinek | where ? |
| 18:13.01 | TheCount | chibikeandy: shipping from where? |
| 18:13.08 | chibikeandy | Chicago |
| 18:13.15 | Urbinek | i dunno :D |
| 18:13.18 | Gnea | ubuntudude: it is not your position to judge or to make demands here. |
| 18:13.23 | ubuntudude | ok |
| 18:13.29 | ubuntudude | anyway, the debian did boot up \o/ |
| 18:13.30 | TheCount | chibikeandy: hm. how much would postage to the bay area be? |
| 18:13.41 | possie | anyone know a easy to install backup utility? it's only to backup one single server (so no need for the complex amanda) and i need incremental suport |
| 18:13.43 | TwistedEmotions | I'm trying to start gnome or kde and a terminal box pop's up after I login and gives me the error... 'There was an error creating the child process for this terminal.' |
| 18:13.45 | ubuntudude | after having MBR + kernels (entire /boot partition) transplanted from Aurox |
| 18:13.49 | djtech | I am not in the army I am a contractor that supports the army the difference is about 70,000 a year in pay |
| 18:13.52 | TheCount | Gnea: is it anyones? ;) |
| 18:14.16 | djtech | So anyone use DSL linux here |
| 18:14.18 | ubuntudude | djtech: well, IBM did work for Hitler during WW2... but lets end that topic now shell we? |
| 18:14.35 | TheCount | djtech: what the hell is DSL linux supposed to be? |
| 18:14.54 | djtech | Dam small linux |
| 18:15.02 | ubuntudude | how damn small is it? |
| 18:15.09 | TheCount | djtech: ah. so, rather DS linux? ;) no idea |
| 18:15.10 | chibikeandy | oh... dunno, whaddya think I am, UPS :P |
| 18:15.13 | djtech | 50 meg full gui debian install |
| 18:15.18 | ubuntudude | neat |
| 18:15.21 | chibikeandy | probably 50 at the most |
| 18:15.32 | TheCount | chibikeandy: uh, I'm european, how would I know? ;)= |
| 18:16.17 | chibikeandy | dunno... you folks are all crazy over there, with your Euros, and your, um... European... ness... |
| 18:16.54 | ubuntudude | how can I dd if=/dev/hdd to of=someUser@otherHostViaSsh:2222/some/dir/image.bin ? |
| 18:17.02 | chibikeandy | well, at any rate, it max 50 bucks for shipping |
| 18:17.13 | ubuntudude | or should I just of=tempfile and then scp the tempfile? |
| 18:17.25 | chibikeandy | unless it goes across seas |
| 18:17.38 | TheCount | chibikeandy: 'kay, a G3 beige is 1 EUR + 15 EUR postage on eBay here, so it won't be worth the hassle |
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| 18:17.56 | chibikeandy | yeah, kinda figured |
| 18:17.59 | TheCount | chibikeandy: yeah, I would have you sent it to the bay area and have it transported from there by a frequent flyer I know |
| 18:18.03 | Gnea | TheCount: well, the guy's just all-around offensive and tends to want to create problems rather than solutions, but at least he can stick to the subject matter |
| 18:18.16 | chibikeandy | well, if you ever make friends with a FF through Chicago... |
| 18:18.18 | eleftherios | which package provdes update-rc.d? |
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| 18:18.19 | TheCount | Gnea: well, so what's to worry? ;) |
| 18:18.26 | TheCount | Gnea: in the end, he'll die. problem solved. |
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| 18:18.28 | ubuntudude | anyone? |
| 18:18.28 | miguelanxo | Hi |
| 18:18.36 | mymayer | "Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server", what could that mean ? |
| 18:18.40 | Gnea | TheCount: sounds good |
| 18:18.46 | Gnea | !anyone |
| 18:18.46 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 18:18.50 | ubuntudude | is there a way to copy like dd part of /dev/hda directly to other box via ssh? like dd something | ssh? |
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| 18:19.09 | miguelanxo | this is a critical question: How can I know (system call, etc) if a wireless NIC is associated? (I mean, if the WEP key was accepted)? |
| 18:19.12 | TheCount | ubuntudude: well .. "ssh host cat /dev/hda > /dev/hda" or something like that will work as well |
| 18:19.12 | eleftherios | hm, must be sysv-rc |
| 18:19.19 | ubuntudude | TheCount: thnx |
| 18:19.25 | TheCount | ubuntudude: using ncp might be faster, thou, if you don't need encryption |
| 18:19.30 | ubuntudude | hmmm |
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| 18:19.35 | Gnea | miguelanxo: the system would likely have an ip and is pingable |
| 18:19.35 | chibikeandy | or tar -cz | ssh host "tar -xvz" works too |
| 18:19.46 | miguelanxo | Gnea, that's not correct |
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| 18:19.53 | chibikeandy | maybe a few more options on tar to avoid the device nodes and sockets |
| 18:19.54 | TheCount | chibikeandy: .. if you want to copy the files, not the filesystem, yeah .. |
| 18:19.57 | miguelanxo | it doesn't have to have IP level |
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| 18:19.58 | ubuntudude | well, I have laptop connected to SERVER via LAN, and I want to dump entire /dev/hda from laptop to a file on SERVER, how? via ftp, scp, ssh or whatever |
| 18:20.01 | chibikeandy | oh, I suppose |
| 18:20.05 | TheCount | chibikeandy: but I'd prefer rsync over that almost anytime |
| 18:20.05 | Gnea | miguelanxo: how so? |
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| 18:20.18 | diazonin | I LOVE UNIX! |
| 18:20.21 | TheCount | chibikeandy: and you might want to toss a -S in there as well ;) |
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| 18:20.28 | ubuntudude | diazonin: but linux is <18 yo afair? |
| 18:20.31 | TheCount | diazonin: no public humping, please |
| 18:20.31 | diazonin | Anyone use Asterisk? |
| 18:20.37 | ubuntudude | !sex |
| 18:20.38 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 18:20.43 | thingfish | diazonin: /join #overenthusiastic |
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| 18:20.57 | diazonin | ok, I was just fooling with you guys |
| 18:20.58 | Gnea | miguelanxo: if the system is setup to deny a connection based upon a faulty WEP, it would, in fact, be 100% correct. Just stating that it's not correct is NOT good enough, you must elaborate. |
| 18:21.01 | diazonin | but seruiously |
| 18:21.06 | diazonin | anyone use Asterisk PBX software |
| 18:21.09 | ubuntudude | I wonder, |
| 18:21.15 | ubuntudude | if they are gay linux users out there... |
| 18:21.19 | ubuntudude | ...do any of them love Linus |
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| 18:21.24 | thingfish | of course there are. |
| 18:21.33 | ubuntudude | thingfish: yeap, 2% |
| 18:21.33 | thingfish | eww he's married anyway. |
| 18:21.36 | Gnea | ubuntudude: they exist |
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| 18:21.44 | thingfish | but not too bad looking, actually. |
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| 18:21.51 | TheCount | ubuntudude: btw, you might want to have a look at 'meep', if you want a backup solution |
| 18:21.57 | chibikeandy | ubuntudude: if there are, do they run linux on PPC, or on x86? |
| 18:22.01 | djp | is there a simple way to maintain a backup of certain directories in /home when changes occur? i have a default desktop install of debian 3.1 (stable) installed. |
| 18:22.05 | ubuntudude | Gnea: btw, kaczynski (new PL president) is declared homophob, he already stated he will throw out all gay teachers from schools |
| 18:22.09 | chibikeandy | maybe solaris? |
| 18:22.18 | TheCount | djp: depends on your definition of 'backup' .. I use 'meep' |
| 18:22.29 | ubuntudude | TheCount: ok, but I want just a small one-line command to dump hdd over FTP |
| 18:22.31 | abrotman | wtf channel is this ? |
| 18:22.42 | djp | sorry, i should add i have a second hard drive setup with the mount point /backup |
| 18:23.01 | TheCount | ubuntudude: I do 'meep host:/dir /backups/host' |
| 18:23.10 | chibikeandy | ok... back to the bootcd questions... has the boot cd formats changed at all? is there any special parameters I need to use with cdrecord when I make one so that the cd is created properly? |
| 18:23.14 | diazonin | !sex |
| 18:23.14 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 18:23.19 | djp | TheCount, i just want to maintain a mirror image really of certain directories in /home |
| 18:23.21 | TheCount | ubuntudude: wasn't packaged yet, I plan to, but didn't do yet .. http://www.woods.iki.fi/pub/meep/ |
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| 18:23.26 | ubuntudude | TheCount: hmm but I want to backup /dev/hda image, not just files (including MBR) |
| 18:23.30 | TheCount | djp: http://www.woods.iki.fi/pub/meep/ |
| 18:23.38 | abrotman | dd and netcat ? |
| 18:23.38 | ubuntudude | ok |
| 18:23.43 | djp | TheCount, thanks |
| 18:23.45 | bonez39 | waht's the name of the #debian room for openoffice-org help? |
| 18:23.56 | TheCount | ubuntudude: "ssh host cat /dev/hda > /backups/host.img" or something like that will work |
| 18:24.03 | TheCount | djp: at least that's what I use |
| 18:24.04 | ubuntudude | ok |
| 18:24.17 | abrotman | bonez39: #debian-oo |
| 18:24.21 | SimonRaven | !room |
| 18:24.22 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 18:24.27 | bonez39 | abrotman, thank you |
| 18:24.32 | ubuntudude | !channel |
| 18:24.33 | dpkg | well, channel is This refers to the group of resellers that supply most companies with software, hardware, and support. The channel is a force to be reckoned with, and it competes directly against companies like Gateway 2000 and Dell. A channel can also be a content container, like a television channel. You may be watching TV channels on the Internet someday. |
| 18:24.37 | TheCount | ubuntudude: abrotman has a point as well .. dd and netcat might be better if you don't need encryption of the data on the way |
| 18:24.38 | phaedrus_ | uh...any one here good with torrents? |
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| 18:24.46 | mymayer | debian somehow dont find my mouse, which is plugged in into PS2 |
| 18:24.53 | ubuntudude | I think I will start with dd scp first, then try the meep |
| 18:24.53 | abrotman | !2.6 mouse |
| 18:24.54 | dpkg | i guess 2.6 mouse is modprobe psmouse; modprobe mousedev; echo -e "psmouse\nmousedev" >> /etc/modules and choose mouse device /dev/input/mice and mouse type ExplorerPS/2. See http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/2199 or the #Debian FAQ (http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/OtherHardware (#1.3)) |
| 18:25.04 | TheCount | phaedrus_: not as good as you are with metaquestions ;) what's the problem? |
| 18:25.07 | Gnea | ubuntudude: oh, well i don't live in that shit country. i'm also not gay, but i'm not gonna hold it against someone who is that doesn't try to fuck me ;) |
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| 18:25.21 | ubuntudude | Gnea: \o/ |
| 18:25.42 | SimonRaven | aho |
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| 18:25.43 | phaedrus_ | i dont have access to the router so the port is wrong |
| 18:25.46 | phaedrus_ | any ideas? |
| 18:25.48 | ubuntudude | where \o/ is actually "raising hands", not "spreading legs" as one of my friends thought |
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| 18:26.02 | mymayer | damit, vim isnt installed, mc too. How to install that now abrotman |
| 18:26.07 | Gnea | spreading legs would be /\o/\ |
| 18:26.10 | Gnea | :) |
| 18:26.12 | phaedrus_ | lo |
| 18:26.14 | ubuntudude | '\o/' |
| 18:26.14 | mymayer | iam so sorry asking that much, its just all new now |
| 18:26.14 | phaedrus_ | l |
| 18:26.21 | ubuntudude | mymayer: apt-get install mc vim |
| 18:26.26 | eleftherios | I fscked up my system like a right idiot, "dpkg: `update-rc.d' not found on PATH.", "dpkg: 1 expected program(s) not found on PATH." Now dpkg does not work and I can't install anything. Any pointers on how I can rectify this please? |
| 18:26.31 | mymayer | ubuntudude thank you |
| 18:26.45 | TheCount | phaedrus_: uhm - well. I don't get the problem ;) you'll be download only this way, which might make it slow, but besides ...? |
| 18:27.02 | TheCount | eleftherios: you're doing this as root? |
| 18:27.11 | ubuntudude | I fucked up mine debian by isntalling newest udev, it removed hotplug, now network cards, sound card, mouse - do not work (probably meany other devices as well) - how to fix? I have ubuntu installed here as well |
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| 18:27.20 | eleftherios | TheCount, how do you expect me to install packages? |
| 18:27.33 | TheCount | eleftherios: try reinstalling sysv-rc or something like that |
| 18:27.35 | phaedrus_ | oh... |
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| 18:27.39 | phaedrus_ | no downloads at all |
| 18:27.42 | ubuntudude | should I boot into damaged debian and dpkg -i older udev + hotplug? |
| 18:27.48 | chibikeandy | so... nobody else has had troubles with the debian boot cds? |
| 18:27.50 | SimonRaven | that's hardly a problem, that's just a fucked up root's PATH |
| 18:27.52 | eleftherios | TheCount, that's the problem. I can't because I get the same error |
| 18:27.55 | TheCount | eleftherios: the question was if you're trying this as root or with sudo ;) you might simply not have them in your $PATH |
| 18:28.34 | TheCount | chibikeandy: not lately? |
| 18:28.40 | chibikeandy | damn |
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| 18:28.49 | chibikeandy | I guess I must be dilusional then |
| 18:28.50 | Kalidarn | hey is there any way of making apt-get auto resme |
| 18:28.51 | TheCount | phaedrus_: hm, can't say more without having a look at it |
| 18:28.58 | chibikeandy | though I suppose that's nothing new |
| 18:28.59 | Kalidarn | the wine repo is dropping out for me |
| 18:28.59 | phaedrus_ | oh ok.. |
| 18:29.02 | mymayer | abrotman in my /etc/modules is selceted : psmouse |
| 18:29.04 | phaedrus_ | thanks for yer time |
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| 18:29.20 | mymayer | abrotman : seems to be the right one for a ps2 mouse ? |
| 18:29.28 | mzilikazi64 | eleftherios: did you remove sysv-rc? |
| 18:29.29 | Kalidarn | ie sudo apt-get dist-upgrade (with another switch to make sure when i go to bed it doesn't drop out) |
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| 18:29.47 | eleftherios | TheCount, no as root. What I did was to install file-rc which removes all the rc.? dirs and converts them to a single file (.etc/runlevel.conf). Then instead of re-installing sysv-rc (which got removed by file-rc I assume) I simple removed file-rc which removed base-config console-common console-data console-tools file-rc modutils nfs-common sysvinit. Now I can't get anything to install |
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| 18:29.59 | Kalidarn | oops |
| 18:30.10 | TheCount | eleftherios: eek. sounds bad. |
| 18:30.25 | mzilikazi64 | eleftherios: you need to put the binary update-rc.d back in /usr/bin |
| 18:30.32 | TheCount | eleftherios: do you have mc installed and still working? then you might be able to fish some files out of their archives and get installing running again |
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| 18:30.46 | mymayer | ubuntudude : how to configure my ps2 mouse : its an 2buttons ps2 mouse |
| 18:30.51 | rohal | anyone has any idea about this error when i try to share a file it says '/home/gaurav/MyDownloads'. Make sure that the Perl script 'fileshareset' is set suid root. |
| 18:30.57 | ubuntudude | mymayer: dunno |
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| 18:31.10 | mymayer | ubuntudude thank you anyway |
| 18:31.17 | mymayer | how to configure my ps2 mouse : its an 2buttons ps2 mouse |
| 18:31.18 | ubuntudude | no problem |
| 18:31.32 | eleftherios | mzilikazi64, if it is only a matter of putting that binary there? |
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| 18:31.48 | eleftherios | TheCount, 'mc'? |
| 18:31.52 | mzilikazi64 | eleftherios: yep - will likely work to get you thru the apt problems |
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| 18:32.13 | TheCount | eleftherios: midnight commander |
| 18:32.14 | eleftherios | mzilikazi64, is update-rc.d part of the sysv-rc package? |
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| 18:32.22 | mzilikazi64 | eleftherios: yep |
| 18:32.29 | eleftherios | TheCount, I have never used midnight commander =) |
| 18:32.39 | eleftherios | mzilikazi64, trying that |
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| 18:33.06 | mzilikazi64 | eleftherios: mc will allow you to virtually look into debs - if you have sysv-rc in /var/cache/apt/archives you can get update-rc.d from there |
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| 18:33.30 | SimonRaven | eleftherios: uh, would've been better to just install sysv-rc again |
| 18:33.46 | SimonRaven | dpkg -x /var/cache/apt/archives/sysv-rc*.deb / |
| 18:33.59 | TheCount | brainchild: hm. ich find se nich. |
| 18:34.35 | Kalidarn | im downloading wine, from the wine repo but it drops out (cos its unstable) how can i make it un-assistedly resume the transfer from where it stopped? |
| 18:34.42 | eleftherios | SimonRaven, I can't |
| 18:34.47 | SimonRaven | i've done that to recover from bad libc6 installs; you have to install the thing properly again though, via dpkg -i |
| 18:35.06 | mzilikazi64 | SimonRaven: dpkg is broken on eleftherios box becasue of sysv-rc |
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| 18:35.20 | SimonRaven | eleftherios: no, *before* you did something dumb, not after ;) |
| 18:35.36 | eleftherios | SimonRaven, oh yes. That is correct =) |
| 18:35.59 | TheCount | eleftherios: boot a rescue/install cd, and do the stuff manually ;) knoppix will do well |
| 18:36.05 | eleftherios | not only that, but I did type "Yes, do as I say!" in pride |
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| 18:36.41 | SimonRaven | eleftherios: is dpkg working at all? |
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| 18:36.54 | eleftherios | TheCount, I am on the system, I will just unpack the sysv-rc deb and place the update-rc.d binary in its place |
| 18:37.23 | eleftherios | SimonRaven, it fails with the message dpkg: `update-rc.d' not found on PATH. |
| 18:37.26 | TheCount | eleftherios: chroot is your friend for testing if it works again ;) |
| 18:38.01 | SimonRaven | eleftherios: ok, first do export PATH="$PATH:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/sbin" |
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| 18:38.20 | SimonRaven | eleftherios: that'll add the needed PATH components |
| 18:38.27 | abrotman | mymayer: and mousedev ? |
| 18:39.04 | eleftherios | SimonRaven, echo $PATH -> /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11 (they are already there) |
| 18:39.08 | bibe | hi, i'm usning rp-pppoe for my dsl connection. it goes online with pppoe-start. but how can i start it at boot time? i tried to insert "auto eth1" in /etc/network/interfaces without any success. :( |
| 18:39.20 | SimonRaven | eleftherios: ok, it's just not there at all |
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| 18:39.34 | TheCount | bibe: it would be "auto ppp0" or something like that, I'd guess |
| 18:39.41 | TheCount | bibe: but it most likely isn't ;) |
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| 18:39.57 | SimonRaven | eleftherios: ok, so do cd /; ar p /var/cache/apt/archives/sysv-rc*.deb data.tar.gz | tar zx |
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| 18:40.25 | jdavis | has anyone been able to connect to packages.debian.org from the website? I can't do any package searches at all for the last few days. |
| 18:40.41 | TheCount | jdavis: no problem here |
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| 18:41.10 | SimonRaven | eleftherios: once you've done that, install the sysv-rc deb normally |
| 18:41.14 | jdavis | what host do you get? my computer says: packages.debian.org A 128.101.80.133 |
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| 18:41.19 | SimonRaven | (dpkg -i etc.) |
| 18:41.40 | jdavis | but it times out every time I want to connect. It's like the machine isn't there. |
| 18:41.53 | abrotman | works fine here |
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| 18:42.02 | smcavoy | anyone know how I can determine what font is contained in what file (i.e. -adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal--10-*-*-*-*-*-*-* = /path_to_file) |
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| 18:42.07 | eleftherios | SimonRaven, thank you |
| 18:42.12 | SimonRaven | np |
| 18:42.20 | eleftherios | mzilikazi64, TheCount thank you too =) |
| 18:42.45 | mzilikazi64 | eleftherios: is it working now? |
| 18:42.51 | Zizou | Hi...can anyone help me configure grub? I recently compile the lastest kernel and im not sure how to configure it |
| 18:42.59 | jdavis | That's strange. I suppose it must be a network problem on my end. Very strange though. |
| 18:43.32 | Beik_ | !tell Zizou about anyone |
| 18:43.40 | TheCount | jdavis: same here |
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| 18:43.57 | eleftherios | mzilikazi64, yes =) |
| 18:43.57 | TheCount | javux: telnet packages.debian.org 80 ? |
| 18:44.00 | punkass | is there anyway to have include files for cron? |
| 18:44.31 | TheCount | punkass: what do you want to include where with what kind of cron? :) |
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| 18:44.38 | Khiraly | hi |
| 18:44.56 | mzilikazi64 | eleftherios: cool - now be careful w/ that 'Yes do as I say' ;) |
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| 18:45.20 | ubuntudude | is there a log of all logins via ssh? |
| 18:45.24 | SimonRaven | i just install file-rc, and stick with it =) |
| 18:45.30 | SimonRaven | ubuntudude: auth.log |
| 18:45.31 | eleftherios | mzilikazi64, the only damage left is that my terms have no color |
| 18:45.32 | TheCount | ubuntudude: have a look at 'last' |
| 18:45.38 | mymayer | how to configure my network. Iam now getting a dynIP. i want to set the ip/gateway/DNS manually |
| 18:45.38 | smcavoy | Zizou: if you're going to be using custom kernels you should read up on grub |
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| 18:45.53 | Khiraly | I have chmod-ed /lib/ld-2.3.5.so file (666), and run after prelink ./rsvg. Now my system is completely unusable. When I try to executre a command, the response is permession denied |
| 18:45.59 | Khiraly | can somebody help me? |
| 18:46.02 | TheCount | Zizou: .. or use make-kpkg to build them |
| 18:46.06 | smcavoy | mymayer: edit /etc/network/interfaces and make sure to read `man interfaces` |
| 18:46.09 | mzilikazi64 | eleftherios: well you should at least properly install sysv-rc w/ apt |
| 18:46.12 | SimonRaven | mymayer: just set the wanted values in the interface statement in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:46.30 | TheCount | Khiraly: well, chmod a+x /lib/ld-2.3.5.so from a rescue CD or statically linked binary ;) |
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| 18:46.52 | rohal | can any one tell me why i am not getting any option for file sharing in control centre & the option configure file sharing i get after right clicking a folder is disabled???] |
| 18:46.53 | eleftherios | mzilikazi64, I did, all seems fine now =) |
| 18:46.53 | Zizou | TheCount, and kpkg configure grub? |
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| 18:46.58 | Khiraly | heh |
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| 18:47.20 | TheCount | Zizou: grub configuration is basically done by the kernel-packages after the first install |
| 18:47.24 | Khiraly | TheCount: on ld there are +x permission? |
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| 18:47.27 | Khiraly | thx for the hint |
| 18:47.32 | TheCount | Zizoz: have a look at /boot/grub/menu.lst or RTFM ;) |
| 18:47.34 | smcavoy | Zizou: make-kpkg will compile and package a kernel for debian. |
| 18:47.40 | TheCount | Khiraly: there have to be |
| 18:47.57 | TheCount | Khiraly: it's THE ELF loader ;) |
| 18:47.59 | rosco_bis | someone knows why a pc cannot boot if there is no monitor connected ? |
| 18:48.11 | da_bon_bon | hi all.. what is the link of security in testing repo ? |
| 18:48.12 | smcavoy | Zizou: the resulting package will update the grub config for itself. but you really should read up on grub in case things go wrong |
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| 18:48.31 | TheCount | (btw, if you encounter noexec filesystems somethime, try "/lib/ld-2.3.2.so binary-file" ;)) |
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| 18:48.48 | mymayer | iam using sarge stable, kernel 2.6 and having problems with getting my ps2 mouse running. Seems to be a common problem ? |
| 18:49.07 | Sebo | Hi!! How to mount usb pendrive?? |
| 18:49.21 | TheCount | rosco_bis: most of them can? the problem might be with a missing keyboard and a BIOS with the setting "don't continue on keyboard error" |
| 18:49.27 | Zizou | smcavoy, ok..tnks |
| 18:50.02 | Khiraly | TheCount, I tried to make a static binary (all the .so file include-ed). Is it the prelink program, which I must to use? (I want to install on remote server a static rsvg binary for my homepage) |
| 18:50.03 | TheCount | da_bon_bon: you don't want to use testing if you want to have a secure system, period |
| 18:50.26 | Sebo | ...or how to make them to mount automatically :] |
| 18:50.45 | TheCount | Khiraly: something along these lines, yeah |
| 18:51.03 | abrotman | da_bon_bon: /topic |
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| 18:51.05 | Beik_ | Sebo, http://www.google.de/search?q=usb+stick+mount+linux |
| 18:51.06 | Khiraly | TheCount, can you give me a statically builded chmod file? |
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| 18:51.13 | smcavoy | is there a font view for the cmd line. i.e. pass it a font file and it will display? |
| 18:51.16 | TheCount | Sebo: well, the device should show up when listing the dmesg's, and you should see the partition(s) in /proc/partitions for starters |
| 18:51.19 | TheCount | Khiraly: nope |
| 18:51.24 | rosco_bis | Thecount: I've checked all bios settings....I think it may be electrical. I don't get the first single beep |
| 18:51.28 | TheCount | Khiraly: I'd have to create one myself |
| 18:51.40 | TheCount | rosco_bis: highly unlikely. |
| 18:51.41 | da_bon_bon | TheCount: i dont want very secure system .. nothing like what a server needs. :) |
| 18:51.59 | da_bon_bon | abrotman: ok. i was trying the factoid "secure testing" but doesnt wrk |
| 18:52.00 | TheCount | da_bon_bon: run stable or unstable or know what you're doing, period ;) |
| 18:52.01 | da_bon_bon | *work |
| 18:52.18 | mymayer | smcavoy i configured it, but where to set the DNS ? |
| 18:52.18 | Sebo | I didn't know that pendrives are called 'stick' in english :] |
| 18:52.22 | abrotman | !testing security |
| 18:52.23 | dpkg | Don't use http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/, but see http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ ;) |
| 18:52.23 | da_bon_bon | TheCount: :S i was looking for the security master repo. and i found it. :) |
| 18:52.29 | Khiraly | TheCount, can you create me one? I cant execute any command on my system. |
| 18:52.30 | smcavoy | mymayer: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 18:52.30 | cahoot | smcavoy: you mean outside of X? |
| 18:52.39 | da_bon_bon | thanks, abrotman |
| 18:53.08 | smcavoy | cahoot: could be within but it needs to display the specified font not what's available from the xserver. |
| 18:53.10 | Khiraly | I have a root shell open and nautilus/firefox running. |
| 18:53.17 | TheCount | abrotman: oooh, good to know |
| 18:53.26 | abrotman | da_bon_bon: but as TheCount points out .. testing really shouldn't be used for anything where security matters |
| 18:53.26 | TheCount | Khiraly: then you won't be able to get the file on the system |
| 18:53.35 | mzilikazi64 | Sebo: probably /dev/sdb1 or similar |
| 18:53.41 | TheCount | Khiraly: most likely you won't even be able to start a static binary without the ELF loader |
| 18:53.43 | Khiraly | normally I can download and execute a statically builded chmod command |
| 18:53.48 | TheCount | Khiraly: use a rescue disc. really. |
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| 18:53.59 | mzilikazi64 | Sebo: as root: fdisk -l |
| 18:54.04 | da_bon_bon | abrotman: i dont want a really very secure system. this is a home pc, not a server :) |
| 18:54.09 | abrotman | ok |
| 18:54.30 | TheCount | da_bon_bon: well, this is how we got the botnets etc |
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| 18:54.35 | TheCount | da_bon_bon: ignorant home users. |
| 18:54.58 | da_bon_bon | TheCount: what are botnets ? |
| 18:55.08 | meff | lol |
| 18:55.29 | TheCount | da_bon_bon: remote controlled (0wned) zombie PCs of users ignoring basic security precautions |
| 18:56.08 | abrotman | usually windows machines though |
| 18:56.23 | TheCount | abrotman: tut, tut, don't tell 'em ;) |
| 18:56.25 | da_bon_bon | TheCount: er.. my net as well as pc are sooo slow and old respectively, that anyone trying to use it as zombie will suffer |
| 18:56.40 | da_bon_bon | abrotman: :) |
| 18:57.08 | abrotman | da_bon_bon: slow doesn't matter .. if it's got a 10Mb NIC .. that's enough to cause a problem |
| 18:57.19 | abrotman | hell .. a 2Mb nic is enough |
| 18:57.35 | da_bon_bon | abrotman: its a 2kb per second internet . :) |
| 18:57.48 | abrotman | da_bon_bon: dial up ? |
| 18:57.57 | da_bon_bon | and a piii 550mhz |
| 18:58.06 | abrotman | da_bon_bon: an owned machine is still owned .. you create problems for the rest of the internet |
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| 18:58.23 | da_bon_bon | abrotman: no. broadband cable. but by indian standards |
| 18:58.40 | TheCount | da_bon_bon: enough for sending spam |
| 18:59.13 | abrotman | or attacking freenode |
| 18:59.24 | da_bon_bon | ok. i get the point. i will try not to become a zombie box. :( |
| 18:59.34 | cahoot | abrotman: people can be that mean? |
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| 19:00.00 | abrotman | cahoot: where have you been ? |
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| 19:00.08 | mymayer | abrotman can you help me a bit with th ps2 mouse. I read the pages you gave me, but it didnt worked |
| 19:00.21 | abrotman | mymayer: did you check the error log for X ? |
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| 19:01.50 | Ungy | how would I ban an IP from trying to hit my ftp server repeatedly? |
| 19:01.51 | horn_ | can anybody give me a deb line for the sources.list, which lets me install kde kdeaddons kdeamusement |
| 19:01.59 | TheCount | I'll move home. back in a few. |
| 19:02.00 | horn_ | in a private msg is ok |
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| 19:02.23 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: what up baby. you there? |
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| 19:02.44 | mymayer | abrotman first X didnt started, then i tryied modprobe mousedev and it worked. X is starting, but i cannot mode my mouse. During starting sarge the is a mesasge like [input] failed |
| 19:02.52 | rohal | if any one of you using fileshareset to share files please post your permissions for /usr/kde/3.4/bin/fileshareset |
| 19:02.55 | Beik_ | Ungy, man iptables, iptables -A INPUT -s $IP -j REJECT |
| 19:03.08 | Ungy | ahh iptables ok thanks |
| 19:03.13 | abrotman | mymayer: what device did you pick .. and what protocol ? |
| 19:03.13 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: my idiot roomate killed the laptop ;P |
| 19:03.14 | mymayer | abrotman when i run : modprobe psmouse he say : no divice found |
| 19:03.25 | abrotman | mymayer: what kind of mouse is it ? |
| 19:03.26 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: had to re-install everything.. |
| 19:03.27 | mymayer | how to pick it ? abrotman ?` |
| 19:03.29 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: what the fuck. which one? |
| 19:03.36 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: mac lappy |
| 19:03.37 | mymayer | its an old, 2 buttons no wheel mouse abrotman |
| 19:03.44 | abrotman | mymayer: ps2 or usb ? |
| 19:03.48 | abrotman | or serial ? |
| 19:03.49 | mymayer | ps2, form IBM |
| 19:03.52 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: damn. well atleast its just software (= |
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| 19:03.57 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: agreed ;) |
| 19:04.08 | abrotman | mymayer: are you sure the mouse works ? .. did oyu setup gpm ? |
| 19:04.08 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: if it was hardware I would eat his heart.. |
| 19:04.14 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: all partitions? |
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| 19:04.26 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ya. i will sell his livers (= |
| 19:04.27 | ubuntudude_ | neat, I jsut got 512 mb mp3 player \o/ |
| 19:04.34 | abrotman | neat .. we don't care :) |
| 19:04.37 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: yeah just formatted the computer... was easier.. |
| 19:04.44 | mymayer | abrotman you mean by hardware ? defenetly |
| 19:04.46 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ah. |
| 19:04.48 | ubuntudude_ | abrotman: and happy birthday to you too :> |
| 19:04.55 | abrotman | not my bday ... |
| 19:04.58 | rohal | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:05.01 | ubuntudude_ | abrotman: anyway, I was going to ask - can I install debian on it? |
| 19:05.02 | mymayer | abrotman it worked well with suse10 5 hours before |
| 19:05.08 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know why after I login to gdm I get the error "There was an error creating the child process for this terminal."? |
| 19:05.17 | abrotman | ubuntudude_: can your machine boto from usb ? |
| 19:05.22 | valdyn | rohal: this isnt a path used by debian |
| 19:05.24 | deadcat | ubuntudude_: ya. if you mean copying files to it |
| 19:05.28 | abrotman | mymayer: ok .. dmesg | grep -i mouse |
| 19:05.35 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: do you remember what you did to get mouse working? |
| 19:05.39 | ubuntudude_ | abrotman: if I have a PC that can boot from USB discs |
| 19:05.39 | deadcat | ya |
| 19:05.47 | abrotman | ubuntudude_: i'm asking you |
| 19:05.51 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: compile that module. do you still have the link? |
| 19:05.53 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: ssh? or can I do it? |
| 19:05.53 | ubuntudude_ | didnt tested yet |
| 19:06.06 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: dont know what link your referring to.. |
| 19:06.09 | rohal | valdyn: then please post for your path to fileshareset |
| 19:06.10 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: you can do it. if you have problem i can ssh in |
| 19:06.13 | abrotman | well .. be kind of hard to boot debian off a USB mp3 player if your system can't boot from usb |
| 19:06.23 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: the one about the touchpad or whats the name |
| 19:06.26 | ubuntudude_ | how meany USB devices are now supported by linux? |
| 19:06.35 | valdyn | !find fileshareset |
| 19:06.47 | abrotman | ubuntudude_: stop ignoring my question |
| 19:06.50 | mortal | ubuntudude_: 234651 |
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| 19:07.05 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I will find it... you have any idea what's going on with ... after I login to gdm I get the error "There was an error creating the child process for this terminal."? |
| 19:07.07 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'fileshareset' (1): (/usr/bin/fileshareset) in libs/kdelibs-bin. |
| 19:07.21 | ubuntudude_ | abrotman: can my PC boot from USB disc? as I already stated, I didnt checked it yet |
| 19:07.35 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: could be from your .xsession file. |
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| 19:08.03 | abrotman | ubuntudude_: well .. don't you think you sohuld find out .. before you waste time trying to install debian to a usb device ? |
| 19:08.03 | Fox_1_ | in which html editer the best? |
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| 19:08.08 | abrotman | for what? |
| 19:08.11 | Fox_1_ | in debianwhich html editer the best? |
| 19:08.20 | abrotman | Fox_1_: what desktop do you use ? |
| 19:08.24 | Fox_1_ | kde |
| 19:08.27 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: let me check my emails for the mouse module. |
| 19:08.28 | ubuntudude_ | Fox_1_: vim and emacs \o/ also try bluefish and quanta |
| 19:08.30 | abrotman | i think kate will do html .. |
| 19:08.34 | abrotman | i know bluefish does |
| 19:08.34 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: there is no xsession fil.. |
| 19:08.37 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: ty. |
| 19:08.39 | ubuntudude_ | yes, Kate is neat for html as well |
| 19:08.51 | Fox_1_ | ok |
| 19:08.52 | Ungy | man I am trying to connect to my ftp server at home running proftpd and it gets to recieving file names and hangs |
| 19:09.24 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: http://www.popies.net/atp/index.html |
| 19:09.49 | TwistedEmotions | /etc/gdm/Xsession: line 83: /dev/null: Permission denied |
| 19:09.49 | TwistedEmotions | /etc/gdm/Xsession: Executing /usr/bin/startkde failed, will try to run x-terminal-emulator |
| 19:09.59 | mymayer | abrotman : iam on restarting the system, one second. By the way, after installing sarge stable, which steps to secure it in a good manner. Is there any tutorial step by step ? |
| 19:10.01 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: how do I give gdm access to /dev/null? |
| 19:10.04 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: the best thing to do is write down all the steps you do to get the powerbook to work. 1, help other, 2 so you can do it again if you fuck up (= heheh |
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| 19:10.16 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: /dev/null should be 666 |
| 19:10.16 | abrotman | mymayer: security.debian.org should outline it for you |
| 19:10.31 | valdyn | TwistedEmotions: why is your /dev/null not world writable? |
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| 19:11.41 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: try .8 if that dont work. .7 should work. thats what we used last time. |
| 19:11.49 | TwistedEmotions | What command do I use to check/change directory permissions? |
| 19:12.05 | deadcat | ls, chmod |
| 19:12.33 | deadcat | lsattr also. just incase |
| 19:12.43 | Ungy | if I download a doc package how do I read it where woudl I find it? |
| 19:12.59 | deadcat | Ungy: /usr/share/doc/ |
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| 19:13.23 | ubuntudude | how can I allow user with UID=1234 to always read files of user with UID=2000 ? |
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| 19:14.05 | ubuntudude | so that there will be two users sharing the 'u' chmod field... is it at all possible? |
| 19:14.05 | chibikeandy | ubuntude: make sure both users are in the same group and make the files group readable I guess |
| 19:14.06 | Beik_ | Ungy: If you use ftp only for non-public service switch to sftp, which comes with ssh is secure and doesn't suffer from problems with nat or firewalls. |
| 19:14.15 | chibikeandy | oh |
| 19:14.16 | ubuntudude | chibikeandy: yes, but that isnt comfortable |
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| 19:14.21 | chibikeandy | that's a bit tricky |
| 19:14.29 | ubuntudude | it would require kernel patching I suppose |
| 19:14.48 | ubuntudude | this sounds like interesting idea? |
| 19:14.53 | TwistedEmotions | chmod -r /dev/null? |
| 19:15.00 | TwistedEmotions | chmod -r /dev/null 666 |
| 19:15.01 | TwistedEmotions | ? |
| 19:15.12 | mymayer | abrotman : |
| 19:15.12 | Ungy | Beik_, thanks but I am trying to get this damned thing working so some idiot can send my wife some graphic files |
| 19:15.12 | mymayer | sweethome:~# dmesg | grep -i mouse |
| 19:15.12 | mymayer | mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice |
| 19:15.13 | chibikeandy | are both users in reality the same user, but for different systems? |
| 19:15.21 | abrotman | mymayer: there's your mouse ... |
| 19:15.21 | ubuntudude | allow an user B to access files of A with right same as A but masked but something |
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| 19:15.33 | abrotman | mymayer: have you edited the X config by hand at all ? |
| 19:15.38 | ubuntudude | chibikeandy: yes, thats the case where it would be usefull |
| 19:15.54 | mymayer | no, dpkg-reconfigure server-xfree |
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| 19:15.56 | chibikeandy | well, is filesystem a on a bootable computer? |
| 19:16.06 | abrotman | mymayer: and when you do that .. what did you pick for a mouse ? |
| 19:16.13 | chibikeandy | and filesystem b as well? |
| 19:16.14 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: chmod 666 /dev/null |
| 19:16.20 | Silent_al | what is the latest kernel version for Debian Sarge ? |
| 19:16.31 | mymayer | abauer /dev/input/mice |
| 19:16.35 | deadcat | Silent_al: 2.6.8 |
| 19:16.36 | ubuntudude | chibikeandy: not yet, lets assume: I have hdc where my user have uid=1000, but on booted system same user have other uid |
| 19:16.41 | abrotman | Silent_al: 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 |
| 19:16.45 | abrotman | mymayer: try /dev/psaux |
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| 19:16.50 | mymayer | ok |
| 19:16.51 | ubuntudude | well it can be future of filesystems and mount - to map UID and GID |
| 19:16.54 | Silent_al | :-\ deadcat , ppl told me its very old |
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| 19:17.07 | abrotman | Silent_al: what is very old ? |
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| 19:17.10 | deadcat | Silent_al: then get a new one. |
| 19:17.16 | Beik_ | Ungy, ok, then maybe use sambe ;-) |
| 19:17.20 | Silent_al | kernel 2.6.8 |
| 19:17.25 | Silent_al | and thats what i got |
| 19:17.27 | abrotman | if your stuff works .. who cares |
| 19:17.28 | mymayer | abrotman ho ist the correct line for that dpkg ? |
| 19:17.31 | Silent_al | ppl laughing @ me lol |
| 19:17.32 | Beik_ | s/sambe/samba |
| 19:17.38 | abrotman | mymayer: in english |
| 19:17.53 | deadcat | Silent_al: if you dont want old/stable software. dont use sarge. |
| 19:17.53 | abrotman | Silent_al: tell them to bugger off .. |
| 19:17.59 | mymayer | sorry my keayboard is a bit broken.. |
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| 19:18.04 | valdyn | Silent_al: you should probably use gentoo if you need to use the 'latest' to be respected ;) |
| 19:18.06 | mathieu | hi, anyone knows how i can reduce a a2 ps to a4 format? |
| 19:18.06 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: /msg |
| 19:18.13 | abrotman | mymayer: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ... pick /dev/psaux |
| 19:18.21 | deadcat | roger |
| 19:18.29 | mymayer | thank you abrotman |
| 19:19.03 | Ungy | Beik_, samba? |
| 19:20.07 | mymayer | abrotman it worked. thank you. They should update their manual on the page you give me cause they advice the complete opposite |
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| 19:20.27 | abrotman | mymayer: no .. the manual is correct actually :) .. your system doesn't agree with it though :) |
| 19:20.32 | Beik_ | Ungy, this was a joke, laugh! |
| 19:20.35 | abrotman | i am the king of smileys! |
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| 19:21.03 | mymayer | abrotman ok :) actually iam not in the position to give my oppionion i know for 1 hour :) |
| 19:21.15 | mymayer | "for something" |
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| 19:21.51 | abrotman | mymayer: not a problem .. glad it works |
| 19:21.52 | mymayer | abrotman there is no sarge stable package for FreeNX. Which is the best way on debian to install it now |
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| 19:22.18 | mymayer | apt-get install FreeNX says : no package |
| 19:22.27 | abrotman | uhm ... |
| 19:22.29 | abrotman | !freenx |
| 19:22.29 | dpkg | methinks freenx is debs at http://kanotix.com/files/debian |
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| 19:22.35 | abrotman | there you go :) |
| 19:22.36 | abrotman | !fnx |
| 19:22.38 | abrotman | !nx |
| 19:22.38 | dpkg | nx is, like, http://www.nomachine.com/ NX terminal server client/server. Like VNC but faster, with security, multi-client. Partially non-free. #nx |
| 19:22.47 | jdavis | is there a package for bind9 with dlz support (equivalent to bind9-dlz in freebsd ports) or do I need to build it from source? |
| 19:23.18 | mymayer | abrotman nx is only the client on that page and the "not free version" |
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| 19:23.42 | abrotman | !freenx |
| 19:23.43 | dpkg | it has been said that freenx is debs at http://kanotix.com/files/debian |
| 19:23.46 | abrotman | mymayer: ^^ |
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| 19:23.57 | Sixer | I'm looking for a coda-client package that works with 2.4 kernels, any clues? |
| 19:23.59 | abrotman | mymayer: though .. i see it only for sid |
| 19:24.09 | Sixer | Or perhaps some hints towards getting davfs to work on debian 2.4 ? |
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| 19:24.51 | mymayer | abrotman i found something, i check it |
| 19:24.55 | jts | I haven't booted this linux box in over a year... I try to apt-get update, and receive an error E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room, then it errors processing a random package and can't parse/open the package list. |
| 19:24.57 | mymayer | abrotman never tried freenx ? |
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| 19:25.05 | jts | Does anyone have any idea what causes this? |
| 19:25.06 | abrotman | mymayer: no .. i haven't |
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| 19:25.27 | Sixer | jts, I think you have to enlarge the package cache somewhere |
| 19:25.27 | abrotman | mymayer: http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=freenx&submit=Submit&arch%5B%5D=i386&arch%5B%5D=all |
| 19:25.33 | Sixer | (if anyone could clarify that) |
| 19:25.35 | jts | Sixer: Any idea where? |
| 19:25.40 | abrotman | mymayer: use at your own risk |
| 19:25.40 | cahoot | jts /msg dpkg mmap |
| 19:25.48 | abrotman | !mmap |
| 19:25.49 | dpkg | methinks dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ The release notes tell you to use Aptitude, not apt-get, for Sarge upgrades. see <release notes> |
| 19:25.51 | abrotman | whoops |
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| 19:26.16 | cahoot | I'm slightly crushed |
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| 19:26.37 | Sixer | !davfs |
| 19:26.46 | jts | ty cahoot |
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| 19:27.23 | jts | !!yAy!! it worked |
| 19:27.31 | smiler_rk | can anyone explain whymy gnome login screen types domino shaped symbols when i try to log in ? and will not let me login unless automaticaly. |
| 19:28.06 | mymayer | abrotman thank you a lot. But how to download it now ? cannot get the link |
| 19:28.24 | abrotman | mymayer: ? |
| 19:28.36 | abrotman | what link? |
| 19:28.41 | abrotman | from where ? |
| 19:28.51 | mymayer | http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=freenx&submit=Submit&arch%5B%5D=i386&arch%5B%5D=all |
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| 19:29.12 | abrotman | mymayer: you can't get it in a browser ? or in your sources ? |
| 19:29.20 | mymayer | no sure |
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| 19:29.55 | mymayer | i can read the page, abrotman but maybe iam to stupid. I cannot get a "freeNX" package there. I see the freenx 0.4.4-0a3 (all) package |
| 19:30.09 | mymayer | but how to download it, better WHAT to download. Sorry for that.. |
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| 19:31.03 | abrotman | mymayer: you have to add it to your sources |
| 19:31.16 | llirk | If I have a rougue process initiating heaps of threads, how can I monitor it effectively not using top .. but some better tool? |
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| 19:31.38 | mymayer | abrotman where is the configuration files for sources stored ? |
| 19:31.43 | TheCount | llirk: gdb? ddd? |
| 19:31.48 | linh | hi |
| 19:31.53 | abrotman | mymayer: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:31.55 | mymayer | ok got ot |
| 19:31.59 | mymayer | thank you |
| 19:32.30 | linh | do you know which program that automatically run dhclient when i insert an ethernet pcmcia card? |
| 19:32.42 | linh | default debian does that but now my is broken |
| 19:32.54 | llirk | ddd? |
| 19:33.12 | TheCount | llirk: data display debugger |
| 19:33.43 | TheCount | llirk: gitps might help as well, i.e, "ps -afx" interactive |
| 19:33.47 | naphex | Hi. I'm trying to setup an irda link between a Dell laptop and a cellphone. irda0 is up but irdadump sees only traffic coming from the computer (coming from the discovery process). No traffic is detected from the phone (known to work). Can someone help? How to diagnose a hardware problem? Thanks. |
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| 19:34.34 | mymayer | deb http://kanotix.com/files/debian/ ./ |
| 19:34.41 | smiler_rk | any idears on my starnge shapes when i type on the login screen on gnome ? |
| 19:34.44 | mymayer | that line to insert abrotman `? |
| 19:34.52 | abrotman | mymayer: which line ? |
| 19:35.01 | mymayer | deb http://kanotix.com/files/debian/ ./ |
| 19:35.02 | thc | uh, why are you adding a kanotix repository |
| 19:35.08 | abrotman | mymayer: that one is for unstable .. you're on stable |
| 19:35.08 | thc | yaaaaaaaaaaar! |
| 19:35.13 | thc | !pirate |
| 19:35.13 | abrotman | thc: for freenx packages |
| 19:35.13 | dpkg | i heard pirate is a robber and murderer in international waters. See <http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Piracy> |
| 19:35.19 | thc | abrotman: oh |
| 19:35.21 | abrotman | mymayer: http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=freenx&submit=Submit&arch%5B%5D=i386&arch%5B%5D=all |
| 19:35.27 | abrotman | mymayer: try to find one for stable there |
| 19:35.39 | thc | abrotman: but wait. wtf is freenx. |
| 19:35.46 | abrotman | !nx |
| 19:35.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nx is http://www.nomachine.com/ NX terminal server client/server. Like VNC but faster, with security, multi-client. Partially non-free. #nx |
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| 19:35.54 | thc | i see. |
| 19:35.58 | abrotman | thc: i guess .. dunno :) |
| 19:35.59 | mymayer | it`s a real rael good and fine VNC client |
| 19:36.08 | abrotman | ultravnc ? |
| 19:36.08 | mymayer | i mean, its not just a VNC |
| 19:36.15 | m4lu7 | kernel question... make-kpkg --initrd [etc] builds the initrd image, correct? |
| 19:36.38 | mymayer | you can resume sessions, work together and in addition to all of that its extemly low bandwith |
| 19:36.50 | mymayer | you even can use ISDN to run eclipse.. |
| 19:36.50 | TheCount | m4lu7: no, the kernel package, with initrd glue for the install stage |
| 19:36.52 | abrotman | just like real vnc! |
| 19:36.56 | thc | haha |
| 19:36.56 | mymayer | its unbelieve able |
| 19:37.11 | m4lu7 | Ahhh. so mkinitrd is run at package install time. thanks. |
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| 19:37.28 | mymayer | it works really.. |
| 19:37.53 | thingfish | m4lu7: are you trying to build a kernel? Read /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz. |
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| 19:38.48 | linh | privacy is "sharing information with your neighbor." |
| 19:39.01 | m4lu7 | thingfish, no. |
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| 19:39.12 | m4lu7 | i just wanted to know when the initrd was built. |
| 19:39.14 | thc | linh: no, that's called 'peeping' |
| 19:39.16 | thingfish | ah |
| 19:39.24 | m4lu7 | i'm quite versed in "the Debian way" :) |
| 19:39.28 | thingfish | :) |
| 19:39.29 | kingmike | Hi. Anyone here using mod_caml for apache ? |
| 19:39.48 | m4lu7 | thingfish, just using debian build system in a "little different way" than normal. |
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| 19:40.35 | linh | do you know which program that automatically run dhclient when i insert an ethernet pcmcia card? |
| 19:40.48 | smiler_rk | anyone recommend a cdr/dvdr total system backup/restore package which will restore from dvd/cd ? |
| 19:41.40 | m4lu7 | no, but i can save you a bunch of money on car insurance by telling you to... |
| 19:41.42 | Bob332 | can someone help me find the best possibly debian based mail server with av and spam... |
| 19:41.49 | thingfish | hehe |
| 19:41.54 | hackeron | is there any reason to use aptitude or apt-file or what not as the default apt frontend in favor of apt-get? |
| 19:41.55 | m4lu7 | spamassassin & postfix. |
| 19:42.02 | m4lu7 | as to "the best", it works for me. |
| 19:42.14 | TheCount | Bob332: I use exim4-daemon-heavy with clamav, sophos and greylistd |
| 19:42.16 | Anthro | Bob332: I use exim4 w/ spamassassin. I don't bother with AV. |
| 19:42.18 | cheal | hackeron: *apt-file*? |
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| 19:42.31 | thingfish | apt-file doesn't install things, hackeron. |
| 19:42.31 | hackeron | cheal: its in cron-apt, not sure what it is myself |
| 19:42.33 | TheCount | Bob332: spamassassin as well, of course |
| 19:42.39 | cheal | hackeron: what do you mean by "the default apt frontend"? |
| 19:42.53 | Bob332 | TheCount, whats greylistd |
| 19:42.58 | Ungy | if I am running proftpd from inetd do I need to edit the inetd file to change the port I listen on? |
| 19:43.00 | cheal | hackeron: apt-file isn't an apt frontend. it's an apt tool |
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| 19:43.31 | hackeron | cheal: I have APTCOMMAND=/usr/bin/apt-get and APTCOMMAND=/usr/bin/apt-file and APTCOMMAND=/usr/bin/aptitude in cron-apt |
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| 19:43.47 | TheCount | Bob332: temporarily rejects the mail it sees a from/to address pair .. when the sending mailserver retries, it accepts the mail. most spammers don't retry ;) |
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| 19:44.05 | Bob332 | can either exim or postfix be setup to forward mail to a notes/exchange environment....i want my linux smtp! |
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| 19:44.35 | cheal | hackeron: I don't know cron-apt, but if you consider apt-file an apt frontend, you have a very limited definition for an apt frontend |
| 19:44.55 | hackeron | cheal: nope, they do - never used apt-file |
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| 19:44.57 | Ungy | Bob332, yes try #postfix or #exim |
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| 19:45.11 | Bob332 | TheCount, so if i sent you an email with both from and to fields as myself, with your addres in cc or bcc, i would get a response from your mailserver? |
| 19:45.21 | hackeron | cheal: I'm perfectly happy with apt-get but what advantages are there if I use aptitude or apt-file instead? |
| 19:45.26 | paskui82 | italian? |
| 19:45.47 | TheCount | Bob332: yes, you can to a notes/exchanges setup with exim. |
| 19:45.52 | cheal | hackeron: why instead? you can use apt-file *and* apt-get |
| 19:46.03 | smiler_rk | anyone know why at logon in gui characters come up as squares and only th enumeric keypad works right? |
| 19:46.06 | hackeron | cheal: not for cron-apt |
| 19:46.06 | TheCount | Bob332: nope, it doesn't have anything to do with headers |
| 19:46.15 | hackeron | cheal: what about aptitude? |
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| 19:46.19 | Silent_al | how can i manually get a print job out of the spooler (cups)? (coz it freezes when i cancel or pause it ) |
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| 19:46.23 | TheCount | Bob332: the "MAIL FROM" and "RCPT TO" on smtp level are evaluated |
| 19:46.26 | cheal | hackeron: ah, well then that's a cron-apt question |
| 19:46.32 | paskui82 | niente italiani? |
| 19:46.39 | hackeron | cheal: yep |
| 19:46.42 | cheal | hackeron: I don't know about cron-apt |
| 19:46.44 | TheCount | Bob332: you don't get any mail from the mail server, but a 'temporary failure code' (4xx) on smtp level |
| 19:46.53 | TheCount | Bob332: the next time, the mail gets accepted |
| 19:47.07 | TheCount | Bob332: .o( or rather after the configured time ) |
| 19:47.12 | SimonRaven | @italian |
| 19:47.13 | ravenbird | i heard italian is someone who comes from Italy. #debian.it or #linux-it |
| 19:47.25 | Bob332 | cool |
| 19:47.34 | Bob332 | TheCount, thanks for this info |
| 19:47.42 | hackeron | cheal: well, ok, so apt-file is a supplement to apt-get, just tried it and I follow that, what about aptitude? - I heard about an aptitude distupgrade being different from an apt-get one? |
| 19:47.44 | SvperPhly | anyone here have any experience with linux raid + lvm and lilo? |
| 19:47.45 | TheCount | Bob332: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greylisting :) |
| 19:47.54 | TheCount | @european |
| 19:47.57 | TheCount | @german |
| 19:47.58 | ravenbird | somebody said german was #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
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| 19:48.50 | EvilSporkMan | are there any utilities to automate running a number of test programs and diffing each one against file containing the correct output? |
| 19:49.12 | TheCount | EvilSporkMan: hm. yes ;) |
| 19:49.12 | SvperPhly | EvilSporkMan: md5 sum the results and compare that |
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| 19:50.00 | cheal | hackeron: yes, I can't help you with cron-apt, but if you're asking about aptitude vs apt-get in command-line, the only thing I know about aptitude is that it should indeed have better resolutions |
| 19:50.13 | EvilSporkMan | *sigh* I just I should just handwrite a bash script...we have to write test cases in a particular way for my programming class...they just have to link against a library and provide output which can be checked against correct output. I want to be able to run a script of some sort to just do all the test cases |
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| 19:50.38 | hackeron | cheal: hmm, ok, thanks, so its preferable to do a distupgrade through aptitude? |
| 19:51.09 | bryan | hey, does anyone here use knetworkconf? |
| 19:51.18 | TheCount | EvilSporkMan: the md5 suggestion wasn't bad at all .. md5 -c |
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| 19:52.19 | EvilSporkMan | TheCount: using diff is equivalent - it returns success/failure. The problem is automating the running of each case and all that |
| 19:52.29 | EvilSporkMan | I guess I'll just roll my own shell script |
| 19:52.36 | Bob332 | does anyone have experience in here with AMAVISD? |
| 19:52.54 | cheal | hackeron: according to what I heard, but I also know that aptitude has a big bug that makes it "incompatible" with other apt frontends. I'm not sure that applies to the command line version though |
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| 19:54.11 | TheCount | EvilSporkMan: hm-hmm-hmmmm .. a Makefile might do as well, and the diff gives more content .. yes .. |
| 19:54.45 | EvilSporkMan | TheCount: AH! Makefile! good call |
| 19:56.21 | deadcat | Gnea: uploaded slim yet? what packages did you need to compile? |
| 19:56.42 | hackeron | cheal: hmmmmmm |
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| 20:00.08 | abrotman | !moo |
| 20:00.09 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 20:00.28 | cheal | anibal: could you please check if #316220 should be closed or followup? |
| 20:00.34 | zero-1 | hello everyone |
| 20:01.16 | zero-1 | how can i get my nvidia geforce 4 mx go working on my hp pavilion zv5000 |
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| 20:02.26 | cheal | zero-1: do you have an issue? AFAIK it should work by default on sarge |
| 20:02.27 | wuming | hi, how can I configure my linksys wpc11 v3.0 in Sarge? |
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| 20:02.52 | ubuntudude | how should I hand-install kernel-image into /boot of damaged debian installation, using another linux? just unpack the files like vmlinuz and hand-update the grub/menu.lst? where to get newest testing kernel i386? |
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| 20:03.19 | zero-1 | no its not, im working with the nv module right now, but i dont have the 3 acceleration |
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| 20:03.39 | zero-1 | i tried with nvidia patch but it wont start the x server |
| 20:03.57 | cheal | zero-1: if you mean the 3D acceleration, then that's normal |
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| 20:04.21 | zero-1 | isnt there a way to get the 3d acceleration woring on it? |
| 20:04.26 | TheCount | ubuntudude: cd /; ar p /var/cache/apt/archives/kernel-image*.deb data.tar.gz | tar zx |
| 20:04.29 | Roman | I have just installed debian, but made a cock up with the initial package selection. How do I get back to this screen once I am logged into debian (the screen that asks if I want a desktop environment, web server, etc.) |
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| 20:04.32 | cheal | zero-1: yes |
| 20:04.36 | Chance | heya |
| 20:04.45 | zero-1 | how can i do so? |
| 20:04.48 | Chance | anyone knows how can i install java on my debain box so i can compile and run java files with it ? |
| 20:04.52 | Van-atwork | someoen can help me with installing ubunto problem on a Server dell raid 5 of dell. thanks you! |
| 20:04.54 | cheal | !tell zero-1 about nvidia-howto |
| 20:05.04 | cheal | !tell Chance about install java |
| 20:05.11 | Van-atwork | it seem not want to detecte my raid5 scsi harddisk |
| 20:05.20 | Van-atwork | i think the module megaraid is not installed on ubunto cd |
| 20:05.25 | ubuntudude | TheBigfoot: ok.. and where/witch kernel-image ? |
| 20:05.26 | Chance | cheal did that |
| 20:05.30 | cheal | Van-atwork: what's ubunto? |
| 20:05.32 | Chance | stil can't run jar files |
| 20:05.33 | Van-atwork | ubuntu |
| 20:05.34 | zero-1 | i checked the how to but nvidia only develop desktop computer drivers |
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| 20:05.50 | Van-atwork | oops wrong channel XD |
| 20:05.50 | ubuntudude | Van-atwork: yey \o/ |
| 20:05.58 | Van-atwork | im on debian LOl |
| 20:06.00 | Chance | !tell Chance about java-package |
| 20:06.16 | abrotman | Van-atwork: #ubuntu |
| 20:06.21 | cheal | !tell Chance about msg the bot |
| 20:06.38 | cheal | zero-1: so what? |
| 20:06.44 | Tortel | !moo |
| 20:06.44 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 20:06.53 | zero-1 | they dont support the go cards |
| 20:06.56 | bryan | does anyone here know how to disable network detection at boot? |
| 20:07.25 | cheal | zero-1: ah, then ask #nvidia |
| 20:07.27 | TheCount | bryan: define 'network detection'? you mean dhcp? |
| 20:07.42 | bryan | thecount: yes i do |
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| 20:08.01 | cheal | Chance: I don't know if that should make you able to run .jar files |
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| 20:08.03 | TheCount | bryan: /etc/network/interfaces, put a # in front of 'auto eth0' |
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| 20:08.13 | bryan | thanks alot thecount |
| 20:08.50 | TwistedEmotions | To get a full install of kde... apt-get install kde-common or something like that? |
| 20:09.03 | meff | how about just 'kde' |
| 20:09.04 | meff | heh |
| 20:09.17 | Van-atwork | lol why u use common ? |
| 20:09.19 | Van-atwork | xD |
| 20:09.25 | TwistedEmotions | meff: will that install all those useless tools with it too? |
| 20:09.25 | cheal | !tell TwistedEmotions about install kde |
| 20:09.27 | Beik_ | !u |
| 20:09.27 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 20:09.43 | meff | TwistedEmotions: useless? they're part of kde.. take it or leave it :) |
| 20:09.44 | TwistedEmotions | ahh kk ty. |
| 20:09.59 | TwistedEmotions | kdebase ;) Weee |
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| 20:11.18 | dpower | How can i setup disk quotas for a users home directory? |
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| 20:12.24 | abrotman | i think there's a howto at tldp.org |
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| 20:12.45 | deadcat | dpower: usrquota option in /etc/fstab, |
| 20:12.47 | abrotman | !quotas |
| 20:12.48 | abrotman | !quota |
| 20:12.48 | dpkg | methinks quota is a Debian package for managing disk space quotas. It can be made to cap space usage by certain uids or gids; see /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/Quota.gz (in the "doc-linux-nonfree-text" package) for a (slightly out-of-date) introduction. |
| 20:13.24 | Silent_al | what is the latest kernel version for Debian Etch ? |
| 20:13.32 | Silent_al | :) |
| 20:13.34 | deadcat | dpower: then quota package. you also need the file /home/aquota.user and reboot . thats what i have. |
| 20:13.37 | cheal | Silent_al: 2.6.12 |
| 20:13.41 | Silent_al | :O |
| 20:13.42 | thingfish | 2.6.12-1 |
| 20:13.49 | alef | .oart |
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| 20:14.15 | Silent_al | cheal , so you know how stable is Etch? |
| 20:14.26 | Silent_al | so=do* |
| 20:14.26 | dpower | ok thanks |
| 20:14.45 | deadcat | dpower: ya. thats all you need. |
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| 20:15.39 | cheal | Silent_al: hum, I guess so, but it's hard to say |
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| 20:15.49 | abrotman | Silent_al: depends what you're using in it .. some stuff is pretty broken |
| 20:16.06 | wuming | is there a guide to confirue wifi in Sarge? |
| 20:16.26 | deadcat | wuming: just like any other way |
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| 20:16.46 | Gandalf2 | Hello there, i'm running debian server, with ISO-8859-1 charset (ubuntu default charset) the site i am using define webpage as utf-8, but when i change it to ISO-8859-1 characters are wrong |
| 20:16.48 | cheal | Silent_al: if you want to get some packages from etch and only used stable, use apt-listbugs |
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| 20:17.04 | Gandalf2 | i tried to iconv mysql from UTF to ISO it didn't work |
| 20:17.07 | Silent_al | ok thanks |
| 20:17.10 | Silent_al | :)) |
| 20:17.13 | TheCount | drzed: klingt plausibel |
| 20:17.16 | TheCount | whoops |
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| 20:17.27 | psih | moin |
| 20:17.31 | abrotman | Gandalf2: #ubuntu ? |
| 20:17.48 | psih | speak some ware german? |
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| 20:17.55 | abrotman | !de |
| 20:17.55 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
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| 20:18.00 | Gandalf2 | abrotman no my server is debian not ubuntu |
| 20:18.03 | psih | thx |
| 20:18.18 | dclemen | hi, I had to boot with cd to restore grub, and I had an error and let installs some base-system packages. After that when I restart, I get "QM_MODULES: Function not implemented" and I can load any module. how can I solve? |
| 20:18.27 | DarknessX | plausibel? seit wann ist 'plausibel' ein deutsches wort? |
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| 20:18.34 | Khiraly | TheCount, finally I have successfully executed statically builded chmod binary on my system |
| 20:18.49 | TheCount | Khiraly: oh? wow. |
| 20:18.52 | Khiraly | I have builded on one of my remote servers |
| 20:18.53 | xelam | DarknessX: speaken ze engliiisheeesh? |
| 20:18.57 | smcavoy | anyone know how to determine what font is stored in what file? |
| 20:18.57 | TheCount | DarknessX: it is ;) |
| 20:19.04 | streuner | DarknessX: it is :-) |
| 20:19.05 | dclemen | now I'm in a second partition system and I can mount my default system |
| 20:19.11 | DarknessX | haha, very well :-P I'm not fluent |
| 20:19.13 | Khiraly | with nautilus I have changed the permissions, and successfully executed |
| 20:19.17 | valdyn | !qm_modules |
| 20:19.17 | dpkg | install module-init-tools, or <Justin_> like I said a while ago, it should be QM_ID10T_MODULES, or if you are using woody you must upgrade to sarge to use a 2.6 kernel, ask me about woody->sarge |
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| 20:19.21 | Khiraly | thx for the hint (permission problem) |
| 20:19.26 | BALTAZAR | 5z65 |
| 20:19.33 | BALTAZAR | hi |
| 20:19.33 | BALTAZAR | all |
| 20:19.36 | tuv | i noticed kde3.4 is in etch, but is it usable? i mean upgrading to kde3.4 causes many packages to get uninstalled! |
| 20:19.43 | jts | Okay, so another question... I'm trying to install things/dist-upgrade and I get: |
| 20:19.45 | cheal | tuv: ask #debian-kde |
| 20:19.50 | dclemen | valdym: !qm_modules ???? |
| 20:19.52 | jts | E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. |
| 20:20.08 | jts | and then it errors. |
| 20:20.11 | Khiraly | ./configure && make LDFLAGS=-static |
| 20:20.14 | TheCount | Khiraly: you're welcome |
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| 20:20.23 | valdyn | dclemen: you read what dpkg said? |
| 20:20.31 | dclemen | not |
| 20:20.50 | jts | And I have that line in my apt configuration, btw. |
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| 20:21.37 | dclemen | valdyn, no I haven't read it |
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| 20:23.49 | jts | Right then, nobodyb knows. |
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| 20:25.58 | timo | ls |
| 20:26.30 | timo | hmm.. I need to write a script that prevents me from doing that |
| 20:26.42 | guru | what is the command to find out what package provides a specified binary? |
| 20:26.58 | guru | e.g., i'm looking for the package that provides the "wl" binary |
| 20:26.58 | TheCount | guru: dpkg -S /what/ever |
| 20:27.02 | guru | thanks |
| 20:27.12 | TheCount | guru: dpkg -S `which wl` |
| 20:27.26 | guru | TheCount: no, the file is not installed yet |
| 20:27.38 | stew | guru: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 20:27.39 | guru | that's why i need the package name :) |
| 20:27.40 | Chance | HELP: Warning: -Xmx512m option not implemented in java-sablevm wrapper. |
| 20:27.47 | stew | guru: /msg dpkg search |
| 20:27.50 | Chance | how can i make my program work !? |
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| 20:28.07 | mymayer | someone setted up a FreeNX on dibian in here ? |
| 20:28.11 | Chance | my java does not recognize the command line i run |
| 20:28.12 | stew | Chance: take out -Xm512m and hope the program doesn't actually need 512 mb |
| 20:28.24 | Chance | it really does need |
| 20:28.30 | stew | Chance: then ask #sablevm |
| 20:28.52 | stew | Chance: or switch to a non-free java implementation |
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| 20:29.17 | electron_ | hi, does anyone know of a X Planet apt source? |
| 20:29.23 | Chance | stew also i get this other errors java.lang.UnsupportedClassVersionError |
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| 20:29.28 | Chance | and many like this |
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| 20:30.47 | dclemen | please help, I had to boot with cd to restore grub, and I had an error and let installs some base-system packages. After that when I restart, I get "QM_MODULES: Function not implemented" and I can load any module. how can I solve? |
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| 20:30.55 | stew | Chance: that means you need to compile with an older compiler if you want to use that vm |
| 20:31.10 | teclo | I'm still having the same issue: mount: unknown filesystem type 'devfs' then Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! ... and I did build my kernel with make-kpkg and dpkg -i .... any idea ? |
| 20:31.16 | dclemen | sorry I can NOT load any modules |
| 20:31.17 | Chance | what exacly do i have to do to make it work stew ? |
| 20:31.29 | Chance | what program do i need and what version of it |
| 20:31.39 | stew | Chance: ask #sablevm or switch to a non-free java implementation |
| 20:32.14 | paulswm | teclo: did you build dev mapper and devfs support into your kernel? |
| 20:32.18 | stew | Chance: what complier/version are you using now? |
| 20:32.23 | electron_ | is there some gui configuration tool for xplanet? |
| 20:32.39 | ubuntudude | how to touch all files in ./ ? |
| 20:32.41 | teclo | paulswm: No, I don't think so. I didn't see any option for devfs in this 2.6.x kernel... |
| 20:33.33 | paulswm | teclo: I'm sure that there is, anyway anything that's not built into the kernel will not be available at boot unless you're using initrd |
| 20:33.46 | teclo | paulswm: I know I know |
| 20:33.54 | Chance | stew SableVM version 1.11.3 |
| 20:33.55 | stew | Chance: if you are using sable from debian and jikes from debian then you should file a bug if you are getting class version errors, i'd think |
| 20:34.00 | stew | Chance: which compiler |
| 20:34.15 | Chance | stew- gcc version: 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8) |
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| 20:34.23 | teclo | paulswm: but I have two identical machines that came out of the same tar xvf, with the same .config and the same kernel release, and one fails to boot and the other does not... this is a pain... |
| 20:34.30 | stew | Chance: are you compiling java file or running someone elses java? |
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| 20:34.44 | Chance | i have a jar file |
| 20:34.47 | Chance | i just want to run it |
| 20:34.58 | paulswm | teclo: I build my own kernels and I've used devfs successfully with 2.6.x, although I've now discarded it for udev, I'm sure that there's a devfs option in the kernel convig |
| 20:35.29 | cahoot | paulswm: not lately |
| 20:35.33 | tuv | \quit |
| 20:35.46 | teclo | paulswm: yeah but I'm taking the same .config and one machine fails to boot, and the other not |
| 20:35.59 | paulswm | teclo: Yeah I saw as I finished typing |
| 20:36.05 | Chance | any ideea stew ? |
| 20:36.18 | bucky | java -jar foo.jar |
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| 20:36.25 | gahan | how do i quickly count size of directory? |
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| 20:36.36 | Chance | bucky i geta bunch of errors |
| 20:36.38 | stew | Chance: you need a non-free java implementation, /msg dpkg java-package |
| 20:36.39 | sclebo05 | du -sh directory |
| 20:36.43 | paulswm | gahan: du -sh |
| 20:36.43 | stew | Chance: /msg dpkg install java |
| 20:36.48 | hytt | du -sch directorypatch/ |
| 20:36.53 | hytt | path* |
| 20:36.54 | manu | I get this error when i try to connect my external hard disk |
| 20:37.05 | manu | quit |
| 20:37.06 | gahan | is there quickier version? |
| 20:37.08 | gahan | :)) |
| 20:37.09 | manu | |
| 20:37.29 | bucky | gahan, du -h dirname |
| 20:37.32 | manu | } |
| 20:37.33 | manu | iss: |
| 20:37.41 | teclo | I also get some peculiar messages about modules hptraid and pdcraid |
| 20:37.45 | teclo | dunno if it's related |
| 20:37.47 | stew | Chance: if you are getting a class version error and you aren't the one compiling the java, you need to use a java runtime that can run that class version |
| 20:37.50 | stew | aka sun's java |
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| 20:38.09 | Chance | the problem is the command that i execute |
| 20:38.15 | Chance | that one needs some special things |
| 20:38.18 | manu | I get this error when connecting my 30GB external disk |
| 20:38.28 | manu | Nov 4 10:23:03 RHEL kernel: SCSI error : <1 0 0 0> return code = 0x70000 |
| 20:38.28 | Chance | i will paste only the command in your msg maybe that will help |
| 20:38.34 | stew | stop msging me |
| 20:38.36 | manu | Does that mean it has died |
| 20:38.43 | stew | Chance: if you have a class version error there is nothing that you can do to make sablevm work |
| 20:38.55 | Chance | and what do i do ? |
| 20:39.00 | paulswm | gahan: The only quicker way is to install a faster HDD |
| 20:39.09 | Chance | can i use javaruntime ? |
| 20:39.14 | paulswm | Or use a faster filesystem |
| 20:39.16 | Chance | and that will fix the issue ? |
| 20:39.18 | gahan | paulswm: i thought so |
| 20:39.26 | gahan | it's ext3 |
| 20:39.27 | stew | Chance: as i've told you 5 or 6 times now, you must install a non-free javavm |
| 20:39.30 | stew | Chance: /msg dpkg java-package |
| 20:39.42 | bucky | gahan, if you need to know how much of the whole drive is being used partition by partition use df |
| 20:39.43 | paulswm | ext3 is certainly safest/best but not fastest |
| 20:39.45 | Chance | i installed java-package |
| 20:39.56 | paulswm | I will stick with ext3 though |
| 20:40.06 | stew | Chance: ok, now use it to create a .deb from a javavm you download from sun |
| 20:40.13 | stew | Chance: read /usr/share/doc/java-package/* |
| 20:40.14 | elkid | paulswm, wich one is fastest? |
| 20:40.25 | gahan | bucky: well i knew du and df before, i just thought there's some hdd-speed-independent way :) |
| 20:40.39 | gahan | maybe not thought but hoped |
| 20:40.40 | gahan | :) |
| 20:40.40 | bucky | what's your hurry? |
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| 20:41.00 | Chance | do i uninstall everything i installed ? |
| 20:41.10 | stew | no |
| 20:41.10 | Chance | before ? |
| 20:41.13 | Chance | ok |
| 20:41.13 | paulswm | elkid: Dunno, I always use ext3, ext2 is faster for writing of course, but in any case the question to ask is "which will save my data when my power supply fails?" |
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| 20:41.36 | manu | I get this error when connecting my 30GB external disk |
| 20:41.42 | manu | Nov 4 10:23:03 kernel: SCSI error : <1 0 0 0> return code = 0x70000 |
| 20:41.46 | manu | Does that mean it has died? |
| 20:42.11 | sclebo05 | my APC filesystem will ;) |
| 20:42.30 | stew | it will at least stretch the life by 15 minutes |
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| 20:43.08 | hytt | paulswm> ext3 = ext2 + journal, why ext2 is more fast than ext3? o_O |
| 20:43.08 | Chance | stew there is no debian version |
| 20:43.10 | Chance | there |
| 20:43.14 | TheCount | I use XFS :) |
| 20:43.27 | valdyn | hytt: writing a journal does take time |
| 20:43.39 | hytt | journal is very small |
| 20:43.40 | sclebo05 | journalling isn't magically instantaneous |
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| 20:44.04 | compDo | Are there any tools to play music files in the ape format? |
| 20:44.05 | valdyn | hytt: small > zero ;) |
| 20:44.14 | stew | Chance: what? where? java.sun.com? |
| 20:44.21 | hytt | lol |
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| 20:44.40 | Chance | yes |
| 20:44.53 | bubshait | quick q to all deb udev users |
| 20:44.58 | stew | Chance: from the docs: "(Choose "(Linux) self-extracting file", i586 or amd64, do _not_ choose the RPM!)" |
| 20:45.01 | manu | I get this error when connecting my 30GB external disk |
| 20:45.02 | manu | Nov 4 10:23:03 kernel: SCSI error : <1 0 0 0> return code = 0x70000 |
| 20:45.05 | manu | Does that mean it has died? |
| 20:45.21 | paulswm | hytt: Beucase as you said ext3 = ext2 + journal, so when you wirte to ext2 it dosne't have to write a journal |
| 20:45.40 | bubshait | why is modprobe removed when udev unstable is installed |
| 20:45.53 | elkid | manu, did u compile your own kernel? |
| 20:45.56 | stew | bubshait: hotplug you mean? |
| 20:45.59 | abrotman | !u |
| 20:45.59 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 20:46.08 | valdyn | bubshait: why the hell would you install unstable udev on a non-unstable system? |
| 20:46.09 | bubshait | stew |
| 20:46.12 | manu | elkid: no |
| 20:46.16 | abrotman | stew: maybe md has reimplemented modprobe in udev :) |
| 20:46.26 | bubshait | stew, no, udev |
| 20:46.36 | manu | elkid: it was working fine and then it stpped working with these errors |
| 20:46.40 | bubshait | udev no longer requires hotplug |
| 20:46.41 | stew | bubshait: udev conflicts with hotplug now, is that what you mean? |
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| 20:46.52 | bubshait | no no |
| 20:47.27 | stew | bubshait: it wasn't to remove what package? modprobe? |
| 20:47.27 | elkid | manu, ahh |
| 20:47.27 | bubshait | unstable conflicts with modprobe |
| 20:47.27 | stew | !+info modprobe |
| 20:47.27 | dpkg | Package 'modprobe' does not exist. |
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| 20:47.36 | stew | bubshait: what package is being removed? |
| 20:47.37 | elkid | manu, oh well is that case maybe it died like u said |
| 20:47.41 | manu | elkid: is it bad news :( |
| 20:47.48 | manu | oh |
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| 20:47.52 | white_angel | somebody hel-me to install nforce drivers |
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| 20:48.00 | diana_ | http://pastebin.com/417404 |
| 20:48.14 | bubshait | the actual package it remove is module-init-tools |
| 20:48.15 | manu | elkid: may be its a problem with the casings electrinics |
| 20:48.15 | diana_ | Why doesn't suspend2 patches apply correctly to my kernele? |
| 20:48.17 | fevel | whats a good ethernet card configurator?? |
| 20:48.25 | bubshait | it conflicts with the latest udev |
| 20:48.27 | SerajewelKS | fevel: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:48.28 | error403 | To backup my entire mysql data, is it /var/lib/mysql i need? |
| 20:48.38 | bubshait | although I don't know what is suppsed to replace modprobe |
| 20:48.41 | manu | it dosent even detect in bios now |
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| 20:48.46 | paulswm | fevel: vi /etc/network/interfaces and read the man page |
| 20:48.50 | valdyn | bubshait: are you mixing these packages from DIFFERENT debian releases? |
| 20:48.51 | cahoot | diana_: patch already applied? |
| 20:48.55 | SimonRaven | bubshait: modprobe |
| 20:49.14 | fevel | I was thinking something more user-friendly than etherconf |
| 20:49.17 | SerajewelKS | error403: that worked for me |
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| 20:49.24 | manu | elkid : ? |
| 20:49.28 | elkid | manu, which device is it, one of those usb-storage or an external-hd? |
| 20:49.28 | SerajewelKS | error403: better option is to export it as a SQL query though |
| 20:49.35 | diana_ | cahoot: no |
| 20:49.36 | MasterYoda | is there a way to make pam auth on an alias? |
| 20:49.43 | valdyn | diana_: which suspend2 patch applied to which kernel? |
| 20:49.44 | SerajewelKS | error403: in SQL form it stands a better chance of working across MySQL server versions |
| 20:49.49 | diana_ | cahoot: When I type "hibernate" it tells me to get suspend2 support. |
| 20:49.49 | manu | its an external hd which is connected through usb |
| 20:49.51 | bubshait | valdyn, i am not mixing packages |
| 20:49.52 | MasterYoda | or is there a way to use aliases with pam? |
| 20:49.56 | diana_ | valdyn: 2.6.14-1-386 |
| 20:50.00 | mymayer | how to add a user to connect remotly to xserver ? |
| 20:50.05 | bubshait | I want to install an unstable system |
| 20:50.11 | Anthro | error403: I'm pretty sure mysql comes with backup and restore utilities. |
| 20:50.11 | SerajewelKS | bubshait: use windows |
| 20:50.12 | error403 | SerajewelKS, how do i do that then? Is there an in-built mysql backup function? |
| 20:50.14 | manu | elkid: Its my laptop hd converted to external hd |
| 20:50.15 | diana_ | bubshait: good choice |
| 20:50.17 | Khiraly | mymayer, xhost + |
| 20:50.19 | valdyn | diana_: there is no suspend2 patch for 2.6.14 |
| 20:50.26 | diana_ | valdyn: Yes there is. |
| 20:50.26 | streuner | SerajewelKS: hehe :-) |
| 20:50.29 | paulswm | dammit, SerajewelKS, you beat me to it :) |
| 20:50.30 | teclo | I get messages about modules hptraid and pdcraid ... what should I do ? |
| 20:50.33 | valdyn | diana_: show me |
| 20:50.39 | elkid | manu, how come? |
| 20:50.45 | SerajewelKS | streuner, paulswm: =) |
| 20:50.47 | diana_ | valdyn: http://www.suspend2.net/downloads/all/software-suspend-2.2-rc8-for-2.6.14-rc3.tar.bz2 |
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| 20:50.56 | cahoot | -2.6.14-rc3 |
| 20:50.58 | valdyn | diana_: read this link, it sais 'rc3' |
| 20:51.00 | SimonRaven | mymayer, Khiraly: uh, not xhost |
| 20:51.06 | SerajewelKS | error403: actually, have a look at man mysqldump |
| 20:51.07 | streuner | bubshait: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 20:51.10 | SimonRaven | !xhost |
| 20:51.10 | dpkg | hmm... xhost is EVIL! Ask me about mit-magic-cookie, or read /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz before even thinking about using the "xhost" command. Ask me about "sshx", or "nolisten" if you're mule-headed, or "apt-cache show xbase-clients | grep xhost" will tell you "xhost, a very dangerous program that you should never use" You should use ssh X11 forwarding instead. use sux instead of su |
| 20:51.12 | manu | elkid : it has a converter box in which tou cak plugin the hd and connect through usb |
| 20:51.18 | manu | *you can |
| 20:51.21 | error403 | SerajewelKS, ok, thanks, will do |
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| 20:51.37 | SimonRaven | @lart Khiraly |
| 20:51.39 | valdyn | diana_: thats not 2.6.14 ( and debian's kernels are patched by debian, so even a 2.6.14 proper patch might not apply cleanly |
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| 20:52.03 | manu | elkid : any ideas |
| 20:52.22 | elkid | manu, no, sorry |
| 20:52.27 | valdyn | diana_: 2.6.14 suspend2 patch wont be out before monday, sais the author |
| 20:52.30 | bubshait | guys, what I am trying to say is why is udev conflicting with module-init-tools |
| 20:52.31 | manu | ok thanks |
| 20:52.35 | SerajewelKS | manu: type 'lsusb' and paste the line that corresponds to your drive |
| 20:52.38 | paulswm | mymayer: I use x11vnc to connect remotely to X using vnc |
| 20:52.41 | valdyn | bubshait: that's bullshit |
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| 20:53.24 | bubshait | valdyn, what is? |
| 20:53.32 | valdyn | bubshait: it conflicts with mondule-init-tools ( << some version ), thats an entirely different thing. |
| 20:53.32 | SimonRaven | bubshait: right |
| 20:53.32 | Kraig | hello, i got a pc and it says on /proc/cpuinfo i see AMD Athlon cpu family 6, so i guess i should search for kernel-image-2.6.<something> and a K6 with it, right? |
| 20:53.42 | diana_ | valdyn: Is there another way to make my laptop hibernate? |
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| 20:53.46 | SerajewelKS | Kraig: afaik that is i686 |
| 20:53.47 | diana_ | Besides downgrading kernels. |
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| 20:53.53 | guru | whoops, wrong buffer |
| 20:54.04 | Kraig | SerajewelKS: thanks, i'll make sure with google |
| 20:54.09 | valdyn | diana_: downgrade your kernel |
| 20:54.16 | bubshait | ahhhh right |
| 20:54.16 | paulswm | Kraig: it is K7 |
| 20:54.18 | valdyn | diana_: or wait a few days |
| 20:54.18 | bubshait | ok |
| 20:54.23 | bubshait | makes sense |
| 20:54.25 | cust | anyone ever had any problem with local mail delivery when moving from sendmail (packages) to exim (sources) ? i am getting this error in syslog ( stat=Deferred: Connection refused by [127.0.0.1] but i can confirm port 25 is open, i can telnet in, any idea? |
| 20:54.32 | Kraig | hummm... |
| 20:54.33 | hytt | Kraig> Athlon = K7 |
| 20:54.43 | Kraig | even when it's a K6 ? |
| 20:54.51 | bolrod | why use exim? |
| 20:54.58 | hytt | amd k6-2 etc.. |
| 20:55.00 | paulswm | Kraig: SerajewelKS is incorrect, it is, I repeat, K7, I know, I'm running teo of them :) |
| 20:55.01 | cust | bolrod: mysql support |
| 20:55.01 | Kraig | a not really reliable source told me it won't boot |
| 20:55.12 | SimonRaven | why not |
| 20:55.12 | paulswm | s/teo/two/ |
| 20:55.16 | bolrod | postfix has mysql support |
| 20:55.16 | Kraig | paulswm: thanks a lot then |
| 20:55.22 | diana_ | bob2: Here? |
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| 20:55.56 | cust | Bolding: i am not gonna migrate to anything else right now, its a kindsa specific setup, if you cannot help me thats fine tho :) |
| 20:56.28 | bolrod | aha |
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| 20:56.41 | Bolding | cust: huh...? |
| 20:56.43 | nohero | hola |
| 20:56.45 | bolrod | :) |
| 20:56.50 | nohero | a question |
| 20:56.51 | TheCount | cust: try an strace to find out what port it tries to connect to |
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| 20:57.15 | TheCount | cust: might be the av/spam-scanner or database or something |
| 20:57.16 | cust | Bolding : was talking to bolrod , sorry |
| 20:57.20 | nohero | llnohero@minimurdoc:~$ ll /sbin/cryptsetup |
| 20:57.20 | nohero | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 307K 2005-03-08 18:36 /sbin/cryptsetup |
| 20:57.25 | Bolding | cust: so I figured |
| 20:57.41 | cust | TheCount : its not turned on yet, while i am debuging.. |
| 20:57.44 | SimonRaven | cust: #exim |
| 20:57.48 | nohero | if cryptsetup is executable from all, why is in /sbin? |
| 20:57.53 | cust | SimonRaven : thanx |
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| 20:58.06 | MrXerox | Any clues on this one guys:? checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
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| 20:58.15 | valdyn | !b-e MrXerox |
| 20:58.18 | nohero | by default /sbin isn't in $PATH |
| 20:58.18 | dpkg | MrXerox: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
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| 20:58.58 | nohero | it is a stupid question, but seems a nonsense |
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| 20:59.22 | valdyn | nohero: everything in /sbin is executable by all |
| 20:59.27 | mymayer | how to find this file to download in the web : nxclient-1.4.0-92.exe |
| 20:59.41 | mymayer | nomachine is not gooing to share it anymore...only the new version |
| 20:59.49 | TheCount | !google |
| 20:59.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, google is a search engine found at http://www.google.com/ |
| 20:59.52 | mymayer | i need it to connect to my freenx server on debian |
| 20:59.58 | nohero | valdyn: uh, i didn't see |
| 21:00.11 | mymayer | TheCount how to seracch for file on google ? |
| 21:00.25 | valdyn | nohero: it would also be quite pointless to limit execute |
| 21:00.31 | TheCount | mymayer |
| 21:00.43 | TheCount | mymayer: you got this thing between your ears, what's it called ...? |
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| 21:00.59 | TheCount | mymayer: enter the filename into the search dialog, maybe? |
| 21:01.11 | TheCount | mymayer: you should of course uuencode it first |
| 21:01.17 | mymayer | TheCount think iam stupid ? |
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| 21:01.24 | mymayer | ... |
| 21:01.24 | bolrod | maybe you are? |
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| 21:01.27 | TheCount | mymayer: or maybe calculate the md5 sum |
| 21:01.34 | TheCount | mymayer: with an abacus |
| 21:01.37 | bolrod | by hand |
| 21:01.38 | mymayer | Its not that easy find it there, i would not asked then.. |
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| 21:01.49 | TheCount | mymayer: 5 seconds: http://www.arte.unipi.it/Public/Win32/nxclient-1.4.0-92.exe |
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| 21:01.58 | bolrod | mymayer: check p2p-networks.. bittorent? |
| 21:02.04 | mymayer | your kiddning ? |
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| 21:02.12 | bolrod | haha |
| 21:02.12 | TheCount | mymayer: nope. |
| 21:02.13 | mymayer | TheCount how do you exactly searched ? |
| 21:02.26 | TheCount | mymayer: http://www.google.com/search?q=nxclient-1.4.0-92.exe&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial |
| 21:02.35 | TheCount | mymayer: just entered into my search box in mozilla |
| 21:02.50 | mymayer | i did the same and getting another result!?!!? |
| 21:02.58 | TheCount | mymayer: where are you? |
| 21:03.04 | mymayer | i hate that "control the google output for contrys" |
| 21:03.07 | mymayer | germany |
| 21:03.12 | TheCount | mymayer: so am I. |
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| 21:03.20 | mymayer | what the *** ?` |
| 21:03.36 | bolrod | you searched for german sites? |
| 21:03.39 | bolrod | or sites from germany |
| 21:03.43 | TheCount | mymayer: link number five |
| 21:03.44 | mymayer | TheCount anyway big thanks, do not know whats on |
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| 21:03.44 | lightbright | dondelelcaro: hello |
| 21:03.54 | nohero | valdyn: ok, thanks |
| 21:03.56 | mymayer | bolrod no |
| 21:03.56 | TheCount | mymayer: german locales? |
| 21:04.04 | sk8r44m | I need some help with a runaway dhcp server |
| 21:04.04 | bolrod | maybe you should use google.com |
| 21:04.06 | mymayer | TheCount : no |
| 21:04.10 | bolrod | instead of google.de |
| 21:04.11 | TheCount | mymayer: strange. |
| 21:04.35 | Kraig | ok, kernel-image-2.6-k7 cooked, hope it works |
| 21:04.39 | TheCount | sk8r44m: good luck. try some metaquestions maybe. |
| 21:04.41 | Kraig | *cross fingers* |
| 21:04.46 | mymayer | TheCount : I no that google.com and google.de is diffrent. Even if you get on american prxy you get diffrent results on same strings |
| 21:04.49 | sk8r44m | my leases file is growing rapidly and filling up my harddisk |
| 21:05.16 | TheCount | sk8r44m: the leases file? huh? what package are you using? and what falvour? |
| 21:05.20 | bolrod | I once got 2 different results ... for the same thing :) |
| 21:05.20 | TheCount | s/falvour/flavour/ |
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| 21:05.40 | lightbright | I use this command to copy my whole hdb to hda: tar -lcv /|tar --exclude /mnt -C /mnt -x; , but it didn't copy /dev and /proc /sys , it just copied them as empty folders. Does anyone know how to fix this? |
| 21:05.41 | mymayer | bolrod search for "nazi" on .de and com |
| 21:05.47 | mymayer | look at the results |
| 21:05.49 | sk8r44m | I am running debian, kernel 2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 21:06.00 | mymayer | then search on .de with an .com proxya |
| 21:06.10 | TheCount | lightbright: you don't want to copy those. they're mounted filesystems. |
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| 21:06.14 | cahoot | lightbright: you don't want those copied anyway |
| 21:06.19 | TheCount | sk8r44m: sarge? sid? testing? |
| 21:06.21 | bolrod | hrm.. yes.. |
| 21:06.30 | sk8r44m | uhm, sarge i believe |
| 21:06.38 | bolrod | about the seme... bit different.. |
| 21:06.47 | sk8r44m | sarge definitely |
| 21:06.49 | lightbright | ahh , but when I booted it says: cant bot, Kernel panic; dont have /dev/ permission |
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| 21:07.04 | TheCount | sk8r44m: you believe? uh-hu. and what dhcp-server? and it's filling up your harddisk? what does /var/log/syslog say? |
| 21:07.09 | lightbright | so when I did a cp -fra /dev then it booted |
| 21:07.09 | bop1 | hi my mouse doesnt work in X,but works in console if i run gpm, any idea what may be the problem? |
| 21:07.36 | TheCount | bop1: wrong driver or device file .. try /dev/input/mice |
| 21:07.45 | lightbright | so if /dev is not needed, why wouldnt hda boot without it? |
| 21:07.47 | sk8r44m | sorry, ISC package |
| 21:07.57 | mymayer | bolrod there are more really scaring things |
| 21:08.06 | cevizoglu | m4lu7, the way of the deb? lol |
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| 21:08.11 | bolrod | mymayer: like?.. |
| 21:08.14 | cevizoglu | oops |
| 21:08.17 | TheCount | lightbright: it is needed, but you seem to have to mount devfs on it |
| 21:08.18 | lightbright | cahoot: but hda wont boot without them |
| 21:08.34 | bolrod | the scary thing is that china is filtering sites... |
| 21:08.36 | lightbright | TheCount: how do I mount dev on the new hda drive? |
| 21:08.38 | mymayer | bolrod : i forgot a lot, i made a study |
| 21:08.47 | TheCount | lightbright: what kernel? |
| 21:08.50 | mymayer | boldro thats what google does :) |
| 21:08.55 | mymayer | and germany too |
| 21:08.56 | abrotman | yay . it has returned! |
| 21:09.00 | mymayer | in any country |
| 21:09.00 | bolrod | hrm |
| 21:09.03 | cahoot | lightbright: I'd suggest running MAKEDEV on the mounted new partition (when running the original) |
| 21:09.05 | TheCount | google is a company, not something to rely on. |
| 21:09.18 | bolrod | I wonder if the Netherlands block sites.. |
| 21:09.21 | TheCount | lightbright: I'd suggest MAKEDEV as well |
| 21:09.23 | lightbright | TheCount: Linux debian 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 21:09.24 | bolrod | I dont think so though |
| 21:09.34 | bop1 | TheCount X wont start at all if u put /dev/input/mice |
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| 21:09.39 | TheCount | bolrod: states don't block anything. china is something else entirely. |
| 21:09.40 | mymayer | the scarying things is, how many peaple search with goole and think about whats making oppinions ? the first to link! |
| 21:09.44 | thc | abrotman: let's throw a party, i'll bring the cyanide |
| 21:09.53 | cahoot | lightbright: i eyou need create /dev (and prolly /proc) on the new partition |
| 21:09.55 | TheCount | bop1: read the logs |
| 21:10.02 | lightbright | TheCount: so after I used tar to copy everyyhing from hdb to hda, then I type "makedev hda" ? |
| 21:10.06 | bolrod | TheCount: yeah.. true |
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| 21:10.18 | mymayer | bolrod : it is not a suggetion of mine, its a fact |
| 21:10.26 | lightbright | cahoot: tar copied 'dev and /prot but as empty folders |
| 21:10.27 | bolrod | google is kinda getting scaringly big |
| 21:10.33 | tuv | I added new locales using the locales package and they appear as language choices in GDM login screen. however, when choosing a language other than the default it says: language not available or so. what am i missing? |
| 21:10.33 | TheCount | google has an agreement with the chinese government so they can be used from china at all .. |
| 21:10.39 | diana_ | I did a reportbug wnpp...and everything seemed to work fine it said it would email bugs.debian.org but I don't see my wnpp on the website. |
| 21:10.46 | bop1 | TheCount it says it cant open the device |
| 21:10.47 | diana_ | http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/requested |
| 21:10.57 | mymayer | what could that be guys : Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive). |
| 21:11.01 | lightbright | cahoot: so after I used tar to copy everyyhing from hdb to hda, then I type "makedev hda" ? is that what you meant? |
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| 21:11.10 | TheCount | bolrod: http://www.robinsloan.com/epic/ .. |
| 21:11.12 | mymayer | its coming up when up trying to connect remotly to my xserver |
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| 21:11.26 | topher | i compiled a module from source that isnt in the kernel source and i want to add it to /etc/modules but it cannot find it. where am i to place my .ko file? |
| 21:11.28 | TheCount | bop1: wellllll .. |
| 21:11.39 | sk8r44m | syslog does reports only messages like DHCPRELEASE , DHCPREQUEST |
| 21:11.43 | TheCount | diana_: wait a few more minutes :) |
| 21:11.48 | bop1 | TheCount the permissions for that device are +rw only for root |
| 21:11.53 | TheCount | sk8r44m: do they make sense? |
| 21:11.53 | bop1 | its suposed to be that way? |
| 21:11.55 | humbolt | how can I start a program everytime I log into X as the user that logs on? |
| 21:11.57 | cahoot | lightbright: there is a howto on tldp.org - I suggest you consult that |
| 21:12.07 | sk8r44m | yes they seem normal |
| 21:12.09 | TheCount | bop1: makes sense - are you trying to start xdm or something similiar, or are you trying 'startx'? |
| 21:12.13 | thc | humbolt: ~/.xsession |
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| 21:12.24 | abrotman | thc: watch it .. it'll put you on ignore! :) |
| 21:12.26 | TheCount | sk8r44m: how many leases are there/how big is your dhcp range? |
| 21:12.29 | sk8r44m | and the corresponding info is added to the leases file |
| 21:12.30 | bop1 | TheCount i dont run gdm/kdm/xdm or anything like that |
| 21:12.32 | alinoe | is there anybody who can help me with ncurses? |
| 21:12.35 | bop1 | just startx |
| 21:12.45 | humbolt | thc: this does not override the /etc/X11/Xsessions file? |
| 21:12.55 | TheCount | bop1: could you try that as root? is the X binary still suid root? |
| 21:12.56 | lightbright | cahoot: but when I did a "cp 'fra /dev /mnt" it copied /dev to my new hda and it then booted as normal. So will that do? |
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| 21:13.01 | abrotman | alinoe: just ask |
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| 21:13.09 | sk8r44m | i have shortened my range to 100 - 110 |
| 21:13.24 | TheCount | sk8r44m: how big does the leases file get? |
| 21:13.28 | humbolt | thc: does that also work, if I am using kde/kdm? |
| 21:13.39 | thc | humbolt: i have no idea, read some documentation. i use ~/.xsession to start several processes when X is started |
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| 21:13.46 | alinoe | what should I do if I want to set background in some colors? |
| 21:14.01 | sk8r44m | filling up my HD completely if I let it |
| 21:14.10 | diana_ | How do I scroll up in irssi? |
| 21:14.14 | tuv | I added new locales using the locales package and they appear as language choices in GDM login screen. however, when choosing a language other than the default it says: language not available or so. what am i missing? |
| 21:14.21 | bop1 | TheCount yea its suid. sec ill try as root |
| 21:14.23 | cahoot | lightbright: not really sure if symlinks are created correctly that way |
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| 21:14.30 | AtnNn | my mp3 player crahsed and now i can't play any sound, aplay gives me weird errors and i cant rmmod and of the snd* modules. is there anything i can to do to get sound back? |
| 21:14.33 | TheCount | sk8r44m: hm. does the file make sense? you're using dhcp3-server, right? |
| 21:14.34 | abrotman | alinoe: which desktop ? |
| 21:14.35 | bop1 | TheCount same.. |
| 21:14.40 | sk8r44m | until i restart dhcpd , then it starts from 0 or about 1k |
| 21:14.48 | bop1 | if i put /dev/psaux as the mouse device, it starts X but the mouse wont work |
| 21:14.55 | TheCount | bop1: hm. no idea without investigating further, sorry |
| 21:14.57 | sk8r44m | they make sense, although I don't understand exactly |
| 21:15.03 | diana_ | bop1: What kernel do you have? |
| 21:15.08 | TheCount | bop1: maybe change the driver? what are you using? imps/2? |
| 21:15.10 | sk8r44m | but its registering the ip that's handed out |
| 21:15.11 | humbolt | I have seen the files in /etc...Xsession are not executable. how about ~/.xsession? |
| 21:15.16 | wireddd | so how small of an embedded system can you install debian on? |
| 21:15.21 | lightbright | cahoot: so in the future when I ever want to copy a hard drive to another and boot from the new one, I dont need to worry about copying /sys and /proc as they are not needed and will be created as Debian boots? |
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| 21:15.25 | thc | AtnNn: run alsaconf again (if you're running alsa) and make sure you don't have an orphan oss module floating around |
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| 21:15.29 | TheCount | wireddd: 5x5x10 |
| 21:15.47 | TheCount | sk8r44m: do the entries make sense? |
| 21:15.54 | alinoe | desktop? I want to fill my background in blue like mc and I can't do this with bkgd() |
| 21:15.54 | sk8r44m | yes they do |
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| 21:16.02 | TheCount | sk8r44m: are there duplicates? |
| 21:16.05 | thc | humbolt: it takes about ten seconds to edit ~/.xsession , try it and see |
| 21:16.10 | sk8r44m | they correspond with the offered leases |
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| 21:16.17 | diana_ | Are there logos for sid? |
| 21:16.18 | wireddd | TheCount I ment in terms of memory? |
| 21:16.29 | bop1 | TheCount can you log in and check? :| |
| 21:16.34 | lightbright | !makedev |
| 21:16.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, makedev is fixed now |
| 21:16.41 | cahoot | lightbright: I suggest you read this for safety http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Hard-Disk-Upgrade/index.html |
| 21:16.42 | TheCount | wireddd: less than 32mb, but you can't do a lot of stuff then |
| 21:16.47 | AtnNn | thc: alsaconf says "failed: modules still loaded: snd-opti93x snd-opl3-lib snd-hwdep ..." |
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| 21:16.51 | sk8r44m | in the leases file yes. it is duplicating the same set of strings over and over |
| 21:16.52 | TheCount | bop1: hrmbl. |
| 21:16.58 | bop1 | hmm? |
| 21:17.04 | sk8r44m | bbut not duplicating in syslog |
| 21:17.12 | TheCount | sk8r44m: and you're sure you're using the most recent package from stable? |
| 21:17.14 | lightbright | cahoot: ok ty |
| 21:17.28 | bop1 | that was a fancty way to say no ? :) |
| 21:17.29 | TheCount | bop1: I'm not really willing, to be honest |
| 21:17.34 | bop1 | alright |
| 21:17.35 | sk8r44m | i used aptitude and the version numbers match |
| 21:17.36 | diana_ | bop1: what distro/kernel are you using? |
| 21:17.39 | thc | AtnNn: i have no idea what those are, but obviously they are conflicting with something and that needs to be resolved |
| 21:17.42 | bop1 | diana_ debian |
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| 21:17.47 | bop1 | 2.4.27 |
| 21:17.51 | lightbright | cahoot: great webpage, thanks. that way I can read everything there |
| 21:17.54 | bop1 | it worked before.. the mouse, dont know what happened :P |
| 21:17.54 | moya | where can I grab packages waiting in new from? |
| 21:17.55 | diana_ | bop1: debian isn't aa distro |
| 21:18.04 | bop1 | its not? |
| 21:18.08 | TheCount | bop1: tried stopping gpm? |
| 21:18.12 | diana_ | !tell bop1 about distro |
| 21:18.28 | diana_ | bop1: what kernel are you using? |
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| 21:18.33 | TheCount | !tell thecount about distro |
| 21:18.33 | dseomn | where can I find info about number or packages in debian at specific times (e.g. weekly, monthly, etc.) for a statistics project? |
| 21:18.39 | bop1 | TheCount yea its stopped.. infact when i start gpm the mouse move a little bit in X and then stops :D |
| 21:18.40 | luci0 | how make preload of libs? |
| 21:18.45 | cahoot | lightbright: seems cp -a of /dev is quite all right |
| 21:19.14 | diana_ | luci0: https://sourceforge.net/projects/preload |
| 21:19.26 | diana_ | bop1: What kernel/distro are you using? |
| 21:19.29 | topher | where do i put modules i compile myself so that modprobe will find them? |
| 21:19.31 | smcavoy | when I use a long command in inetd.conf it doesn't seem to work, is there some sort of limit as to how long a command and it's paramaters can be? |
| 21:19.33 | lightbright | cahoot: yeah ok great. and i dont have to bother about /sys and /proc. leave them as empty and new hard drive should boot anyway? |
| 21:19.39 | diana_ | bop1: You are using sarge/sid? |
| 21:19.44 | diana_ | etch? |
| 21:19.46 | diana_ | woody? |
| 21:19.46 | bop1 | sarge diana |
| 21:19.55 | diana_ | bop1: Your kernel is too old...that's why the mouse doesn't work. |
| 21:20.05 | cahoot | lightbright: /proc needs creating |
| 21:20.06 | luci0 | diana_ link no works |
| 21:20.08 | diana_ | dev can't get populated |
| 21:20.17 | bop1 | diana_ why it comes with an old kernel? isnt it the newest release? |
| 21:20.20 | tuv | smcavoy: what editor are you using? |
| 21:20.23 | diana_ | bop1: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 21:20.26 | lightbright | cahoot: is /proc created everytime debian boots? |
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| 21:20.32 | TheCount | bop1: strange |
| 21:20.33 | smcavoy | tuv: vim |
| 21:20.37 | diana_ | bop1: Did you do dist-upgrade? |
| 21:20.45 | smcavoy | tuv: and I'm sure it's all on one line |
| 21:20.47 | cahoot | lightbright: only populated AFAIK |
| 21:20.47 | diana_ | I bet if you upgrade your kernel to the latest 2.6 your mouse woorks. |
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| 21:20.58 | sk8r44m | my dhcp server package is version 3.0.2-3 |
| 21:21.15 | joefso3 | hello. I have installed several version of autoconf, how can I configure my debian box it uses autoconf version I want? |
| 21:21.19 | lightbright | cahoot: i wonder why tar doesnt copy /proc and /dev when they are needed to boot from the new hard drive! weird |
| 21:21.20 | ubuntudude | I got two files like /dev/hda and /dev/hda1, where hda1 is a part of hda, how to find the offset? |
| 21:21.37 | lightbright | ubuntudude: you using Debian? |
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| 21:21.45 | bop1 | diana_ its a new installation from that netinstall image, everything must be upgraded no? |
| 21:21.48 | diana_ | bop1: apt-cache search|image grep -i 2.6 |
| 21:21.58 | ubuntudude | as in - if thoes files where strings, then hda=xyz12345.. and hda1=12345.. and offset=3 |
| 21:22.01 | ubuntudude | lightbright: yes |
| 21:22.15 | diana_ | bop1: yes, but when you did your upgrade there were packages that upgraded that require a new kernel. |
| 21:22.15 | ubuntudude | lightbright: and Ubuntu and knoppix \o/ |
| 21:22.17 | bop1 | i mean its already upgraded since all i installed was fetched from the net today |
| 21:22.18 | tuv | I added new locales using the locales package and they appear as language choices in GDM login screen. however, when choosing a language other than the default it says: language not available or so. what am i missing? |
| 21:22.28 | bop1 | i see |
| 21:22.30 | lightbright | cahoot: dont you find that weird that tar wont copy /proc and /dev? and then a person has to use cp -fra to copy them to get the new hard drive to boot? |
| 21:22.31 | diana_ | bop1: Soo it tries to populate /dev but it can't...because your kernel is too old. |
| 21:22.34 | joefso3 | ubuntudude: \o\ \o/ /o/ |
| 21:22.41 | bop1 | so to run apt-get upgrade_distro ? |
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| 21:22.47 | lightbright | ubuntudude: is ubuntu any good? |
| 21:22.56 | joefso3 | dpkg tell us about gentoo |
| 21:22.56 | diana_ | bop1: dist-upgrade won't upgrade the kernel. |
| 21:22.57 | dpkg | joefso3 wants you to know: i heard gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/ or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linu |
| 21:22.59 | dpkg | x/gentoo.jpg |
| 21:23.04 | ubuntudude | lightbright: yes, something like a bit desktop-user-friendly version of debian |
| 21:23.06 | diana_ | bop1: apt-cache search image|grep -i 2.6 |
| 21:23.11 | bop1 | i did |
| 21:23.12 | diana_ | bop1: And tell me the results in pm. |
| 21:23.13 | thc | yay, ascii dancing |
| 21:23.18 | bop1 | but which one should i install, 2.6-12? |
| 21:23.19 | wuming | hi, I use iwconfig configured my wireless card, and the card connected to the ap, but not getting a ip address, how can i solve this problem? |
| 21:23.21 | lightbright | ubuntudude: ah ok |
| 21:23.23 | ubuntudude | debian with more easy start for less-advanced (but still powerfull) |
| 21:23.24 | bop1 | 2.6.8-12 i meant |
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| 21:23.55 | bop1 | which is the most recent but stable version |
| 21:24.00 | diana_ | bop1: yea 2.6.12-1-386 |
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| 21:24.10 | diana_ | bop1: Then reboot and your mouse will work. |
| 21:24.15 | bop1 | no 2.6.12 there |
| 21:24.19 | bop1 | 2.6.8-12 |
| 21:24.27 | diana_ | i dunno |
| 21:24.32 | luci0 | how load a lib? |
| 21:24.35 | diana_ | I'm using sid...and I had the same problem you did. |
| 21:24.38 | topher | nm, figured it out |
| 21:24.44 | diana_ | My mouse worked...I did dist-upgrade..and the mouse stopped working. |
| 21:24.49 | diana_ | Once I upgraded my kernel it worked. |
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| 21:24.57 | diana_ | My kernel version was too old and /dev wasn't getting populated. |
| 21:25.05 | solinux | Hi :) |
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| 21:25.36 | Ungy | anyone know how to get a console/prompt in mac? |
| 21:25.36 | notty | hello i am getting this error when i try to run bind (with the default configuration and even with a configuration that it worked before) error at http://pastebin.com/417580 can someone help me ? |
| 21:25.37 | TheCount | interesting to know |
| 21:25.39 | linkrjh_ | Anyone here know how to make a Mac program work if I've got it's source? |
| 21:25.45 | wuming | how to get my wireless card IP ? |
| 21:25.54 | TheCount | sk8r44m: how fast does your leases file grow? |
| 21:26.10 | solinux | wuming ifconfig ? |
| 21:26.11 | xelam | wuming: ifconfig? |
| 21:26.20 | sk8r44m | I'd have to check that but the HD is going crazy |
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| 21:26.33 | sk8r44m | a rough estimate would be 100k in 30 seconds |
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| 21:27.00 | sk8r44m | it is now stable at about 5k and NOT running away |
| 21:27.21 | sk8r44m | but with some leases it starts growing |
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| 21:27.40 | klync | anybody familiar with the JkUriSet directive for apache/tomcat? it seems like there's a bug and a fix, wondering if anyone else knows what's up with this in the debian pkg |
| 21:27.41 | sk8r44m | I haven't found a clue if it was a specific |
| 21:27.43 | sk8r44m | lease |
| 21:28.04 | abrotman | klync: #tomcat ? |
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| 21:28.25 | klync | abrotman: #tomcat says: debian packages for this stuff are chronically b0rken |
| 21:28.29 | lightbright | when mounting a ext3 hard drive, do you need to tell mount command its ext3, or can I just type: mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt ? |
| 21:28.30 | abrotman | hehe |
| 21:28.32 | klync | :( |
| 21:28.42 | diana_ | lightbright: just mount |
| 21:28.43 | xelam | lightbright: proably the latter |
| 21:28.51 | abrotman | klync: you could contact the maintainer ... |
| 21:28.51 | notty | lightbright: generaly you can just type |
| 21:29.06 | lightbright | ok great, thanks |
| 21:29.07 | sk8r44m | it just happened again, it's more like 100k in 10 seconds |
| 21:29.08 | thc | notty: i'd show that error to #dns |
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| 21:29.10 | klync | abrotman: k... i'll do a bit more digging... ty |
| 21:29.17 | abrotman | klync: tomcat4 package ? |
| 21:29.23 | wang | anyone know of any applications that will convert waves to mp3 format? |
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| 21:29.29 | klync | abrotman: it'd be the libapache-mod-jk pkg |
| 21:29.32 | abrotman | wang: about a million :) |
| 21:29.33 | sk8r44m | it seems to hand out different ip's on the next lease of 1 mac |
| 21:29.34 | cahoot | wang: lame |
| 21:29.42 | abrotman | !lame |
| 21:29.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lame is : Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder at http://www.mp3dev.org/ mirrored at http://lame.sourceforge.net/ which contains debian build instructions, to make your own debs from the tarballs. Versions 3.81 onwards are LGPL!. or don't forget to 'chmod +x debian/rules'. Get .debs from <marillat> or <rarewares> |
| 21:29.46 | notty | thc: thanx.. searched #bind..#named .. no luck |
| 21:30.00 | abrotman | klync: i thought mod-jk was deprecated ? or was that mod-jserv ? |
| 21:30.02 | wuming | solinux: ifconfig eth2 just show me there is no ip address |
| 21:30.18 | TheCount | sk8r44m: maybe it was a problem with some other part of your network, i.e. a network loop, causing broadcast packages to be repeated dozens of times |
| 21:30.23 | solinux | wuming ifconfig -a ? |
| 21:30.24 | abrotman | klync: maybe .. #debian-java ? |
| 21:30.28 | klync | abrotman: jserv is called "elderly", and mod_jk was superceded by mod_jk2, which is what that pkg provides |
| 21:30.35 | klync | abrotman: hmm... that sounds interesting |
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| 21:30.39 | wuming | solinux: let me try |
| 21:30.41 | sk8r44m | it is triggered by lease requests |
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| 21:30.52 | TheCount | sk8r44m: (from the manpage): New leases are appended to the end of the dhcpd.leases file. In order to prevent the file from becoming arbitrarily large, from time to time dhcpd creates a new dhcpd.leases file from its in-core lease database. Once this file has been written to disk, the old file is renamed dhcpd.leases~, and the new file is renamed dhcpd.leases. |
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| 21:31.01 | abrotman | yep .. taht sucked |
| 21:31.07 | sk8r44m | I know |
| 21:31.13 | TheCount | sk8r44m: leases requests are send per broadcast (at least DHCPDISCOVER) |
| 21:31.13 | sk8r44m | it does not do that |
| 21:31.17 | djp | does debian install rsync by default? |
| 21:31.21 | TheCount | djp: nope |
| 21:31.27 | abrotman | djp: no |
| 21:31.36 | djp | ah... thanks |
| 21:31.44 | sk8r44m | it does not roll over to the leases~ file, only when i restart de daemon |
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| 21:32.01 | TheCount | sk8r44m: it takes some time to do that, i.e. days .. |
| 21:32.14 | teclo | Setting up kernel-image-2.6.14 (10.00.Custom) ... |
| 21:32.14 | sk8r44m | not on my machine :-( |
| 21:32.15 | teclo | ./usr/sbin/mkinitrd: add_modules_dep_2_5: modprobe failed |
| 21:32.15 | teclo | fatal_: Module hptraid not found. |
| 21:32.15 | teclo | fatal_: Module pdcraid not found. |
| 21:32.23 | teclo | uh oh :( |
| 21:32.34 | TheCount | sk8r44m: welllll ... |
| 21:32.35 | teclo | This must be why my 2.6 kernel won't boot :( |
| 21:32.47 | TheCount | sk8r44m: I'll have a look at the source, one moment |
| 21:32.55 | sk8r44m | i don't think it's network traffic but i will check with tcpdump to make sure |
| 21:33.09 | TheCount | sk8r44m: good |
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| 21:34.07 | RichiH | is there a way to see how many bites are being taken out of /dev/random? |
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| 21:34.32 | Bolding | RichiH: bites? :P |
| 21:34.40 | bop1_ | err |
| 21:35.16 | bop1_ | do i upgrade my kernel the normal way? make bZimage etc or in debian it comes with compiled kernel images |
| 21:35.30 | sk8r44m | 2 TheCount |
| 21:35.32 | thc | nah i sampled it from the acoustic version |
| 21:35.35 | thc | ACK |
| 21:35.46 | abrotman | RichiH: how many what ? |
| 21:35.59 | sclebo05 | bop1 debian has kernels in the repos |
| 21:36.02 | Supaplex | bop1_: kernel-package |
| 21:36.11 | sk8r44m | 2 TheCount growing leases file does not correspond with OFFERS over the network |
| 21:36.15 | RichiH | erm |
| 21:36.17 | RichiH | bits |
| 21:36.26 | RichiH | or bytes, i don't care :) |
| 21:36.26 | TheCount | sk8r44m: ok, the lease file should be turned over every hour |
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| 21:36.44 | TheCount | sk8r44m: is your clock strange? |
| 21:36.47 | sk8r44m | I am not sure if i have enough HD for that |
| 21:37.02 | sk8r44m | Fri Nov 4 22:36:52 CET 2005 |
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| 21:37.10 | abrotman | RichiH: erm .. in what context ? |
| 21:37.18 | wang | anyone here use lame? |
| 21:37.23 | abrotman | mayn people |
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| 21:37.31 | wuming | why I can contact with the Ap, but cannot get a local ip? |
| 21:37.41 | wuming | with my wireless card |
| 21:37.53 | bop1_ | Supaplex and how do i install it |
| 21:37.59 | TheCount | sk8r44m: hm. terribly strange |
| 21:38.01 | SimonRaven | we don't know, tell us |
| 21:38.13 | sk8r44m | that's what i though |
| 21:38.17 | sk8r44m | thought |
| 21:38.18 | wang | what would the syntax be to convert a directory of .wav files to 192kbps mp3's |
| 21:38.28 | abrotman | wang: most people use frontends to lame |
| 21:38.34 | wang | oh really |
| 21:38.40 | SimonRaven | why mp3s ;) |
| 21:38.42 | djp | TheCount, i gather i do not need to worry about enabling the rsync daemon, unless i backup remotely, correct? |
| 21:38.48 | thc | why frontends |
| 21:38.49 | abrotman | SimonRaven: because my car won't play oggs ? |
| 21:38.55 | TheCount | djp: yeah |
| 21:39.01 | sclebo05 | not really, you can also rsync -e ssh and send over ssh anyway |
| 21:39.09 | abrotman | wang: http://lame.sourceforge.net/USAGE |
| 21:39.16 | xelam | rsync uses ssh by default on debian |
| 21:39.20 | djp | cheers, TheCount |
| 21:39.22 | SimonRaven | abrotman: your problem ;) |
| 21:39.39 | bop1_ | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 21:39.48 | bop1_ | will install the kernel and add it to grub etc? |
| 21:39.51 | abrotman | SimonRaven: i didn't create the problem .. i blame the bastards at vorbis! |
| 21:40.02 | sclebo05 | bop1_: yes |
| 21:40.05 | abrotman | bop1_: it shoulod |
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| 21:40.14 | sclebo05 | verify grub before you reboot, of course |
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| 21:40.33 | bop1_ | i dont get why it creates initrd image |
| 21:40.43 | SimonRaven | abrotman: heh |
| 21:40.47 | djp | i don't think i need ssh, i am only backing up from one drive to another on a desktop machine... |
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| 21:40.51 | bop1_ | even if i dont have scsi or any other modules that should be loaded before the filesystem is mounted |
| 21:40.54 | TheCount | bop1: because it was created that way? |
| 21:40.55 | doks | is it possbile to compile debian packages with dpkg or apt-get if you want? :o) |
| 21:40.56 | ofuscado | join #c++ |
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| 21:40.58 | sclebo05 | in a nutshell - loads drivers into ram for File Systems |
| 21:41.03 | sclebo05 | before kernel |
| 21:41.06 | SimonRaven | bop1_: because that's how they're built, with an initrd |
| 21:41.16 | lightbright | if I want to tell Debian to use hda2 as swap, do I just tell it in fstab? |
| 21:41.27 | SimonRaven | yes |
| 21:41.28 | bop1_ | but its pointless to use initrd in such cases, what does the linuxrc does exactly |
| 21:41.33 | sclebo05 | yes, but for now, you can do swapon /dev/hda2 |
| 21:42.12 | TheCount | lightbright: yupp, after initializing it with mkswap, of course |
| 21:42.25 | sclebo05 | righto |
| 21:42.38 | bop1_ | anyway will it replace the modules with modules that compiled for 2.6? |
| 21:42.40 | bop1_ | or i need to do it myself? |
| 21:42.50 | sclebo05 | modules come withthe package |
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| 21:43.03 | cheal | doks: kinda |
| 21:43.06 | lightbright | TheCount: i typed from old hard drive: mkswap /dev/hda2 , is that right? |
| 21:43.16 | wang | does converting wav files to mp3 really beneficial at all? |
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| 21:43.25 | wang | is converting wav files to mp3 really beneficial at all? |
| 21:43.27 | sclebo05 | saves space |
| 21:43.27 | TheCount | lightbright: yupp |
| 21:43.29 | lightbright | wang: save disc space |
| 21:43.32 | wang | oh ok |
| 21:43.34 | lightbright | TheCount: :) |
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| 21:43.36 | wang | in my case yes then |
| 21:43.40 | TheCount | wang: .. lose quality |
| 21:43.42 | lightbright | wang: ;) |
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| 21:44.02 | lightbright | wang: the loss of quality for me personally cannot be noticed much at all |
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| 21:44.14 | wuming | how to get an IP address for wireless card? |
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| 21:44.23 | dondelelcaro | wuming: same way you do for any other card |
| 21:44.27 | lightbright | wang: unless you have a super ear tuned into music, it wont bother you the loss of quality |
| 21:44.35 | sclebo05 | get it connected with iwconfig wlan0 essid "Network" key 12345 |
| 21:44.40 | sclebo05 | then you can dhclient wlan0 |
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| 21:44.42 | Angel___ | hi |
| 21:44.43 | Angel___ | I know that the ftp is not a secure way of transfering a data so could you help me with a solution with at least the same functionality as the ftp? |
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| 21:44.51 | sclebo05 | scp |
| 21:44.52 | dondelelcaro | Angel___: scp or sftp. |
| 21:44.57 | loukoum | just installed debian on a laptop (no x), but the text area is not over the whole screen. How do I se up that ? |
| 21:45.03 | TheCount | Angel___: public or personal access? |
| 21:45.05 | sclebo05 | scp localfile user@foreign:/home/user/path |
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| 21:45.11 | Angel___ | the both |
| 21:45.26 | sclebo05 | in grub, you can set VGA=771, etc |
| 21:45.33 | TheCount | Angel___: https? :D |
| 21:45.38 | sclebo05 | search for your laptop on linux-laptop.net |
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| 21:46.00 | autogenerated_ | hi ppl |
| 21:46.07 | lightbright | dondelelcaro: hello, good to see you again. just to let you know, I had to after all add an --exclude to tar -lcv /|tar -C /mnt -x; , because it kept looping in /mnt and copying itself into itself. I know you said "l" should stop that, but it didnt. Yet after adding exclude, it wont fantistic the command, so thanks again |
| 21:46.13 | TheCount | autogenerated_: hi tgnrtd! |
| 21:46.27 | lightbright | wont = worked |
| 21:46.28 | wang | can anyone recommend a frontend for lame? |
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| 21:46.36 | TheCount | wang: bash? :) |
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| 21:46.44 | loukoum | so grub can setup he screen size ? |
| 21:46.45 | wang | i can't figure out a syntax heh |
| 21:46.50 | wang | and i need to do this fast |
| 21:46.59 | doks | is it possbile to compile debian packages with dpkg or apt-get if you want? :o) |
| 21:47.18 | lightbright | dondelelcaro: could you please tell me why doesnt tar command copy across /dev folder as it was needed to boot off my new hard drive? |
| 21:47.21 | TheCount | wang: lame *.mp3 |
| 21:47.24 | solinux | wang maybe try jack ? |
| 21:47.25 | sclebo05 | wang: http://lame.sourceforge.net/links.html |
| 21:47.31 | TheCount | wang: uh, "lame *.wav" |
| 21:47.44 | cheal | doks: kinda |
| 21:47.54 | wang | will that output the entire directory to .mp3? |
| 21:47.58 | TheCount | wang: or better "lame -b 192 *.wav" |
| 21:48.01 | TheCount | wang: youpp |
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| 21:48.11 | wang | no, it doesn't |
| 21:48.25 | TheCount | wang: ls *.wav|xargs -n lame -b 192 |
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| 21:48.35 | sclebo05 | can also do for i in *.wav; do lame -whatever $i; done |
| 21:48.49 | wang | none of those worked count. |
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| 21:48.57 | TheCount | wang: hrmbl. |
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| 21:49.23 | hytt | lightbright> for clone your system, rsync is nice too |
| 21:49.25 | lex_ | Oh ssh lords.... if ive a box set like this: ME -> firewall -> Server1 -> Server2 ... and ive a service in port 6969 in Server2... i wonder what would i have to do to set up an ssh tunnel all the way from ME to server2 in 6969 |
| 21:49.31 | Angel___ | So could you recommend me a sftp server? |
| 21:49.42 | lex_ | Angel___, doesnt ssh does that? |
| 21:49.42 | lightbright | when creating a new hard drive for Debian. does everyone recommend to create a partition just for /boot? perhaps 5mb in size? |
| 21:49.50 | doks | cheal cool how? |
| 21:49.50 | lightbright | hytt: yeah |
| 21:49.51 | sclebo05 | make it bigger |
| 21:49.53 | hytt | you can exclude path like /tmp /proc /dev /home/toto |
| 21:49.58 | TheCount | wang: ls *.wav|xargs -n1 lame -b 192 |
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| 21:50.01 | sclebo05 | each kernel can be about 1 meg |
| 21:50.02 | TheCount | wang: for sure :P |
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| 21:50.15 | nse | msg dpkg why not dist-upgrade |
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| 21:50.20 | nse | hum... !! |
| 21:50.24 | Angel___ | yes but this will be a very hard thing for most people i know |
| 21:50.27 | bop1 | err |
| 21:50.31 | bop1 | i get a kernel panic when i boot with 2.6 |
| 21:50.36 | bop1 | saying cant open /dev/console |
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| 21:50.45 | Diggity | guys im having trouble with both the 'w' command and the 'who' command. It doesnt seem to be reporting any remote user logins. How can i repair these tools |
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| 21:50.48 | lightbright | bop1: yeah that happened to me too |
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| 21:51.14 | hytt | lightbright> i typed this: rsync -ravlpogtDH --exclude-from=exclud.lst / /mnt/hda9/ |
| 21:51.15 | sk8r44m | any clues where to look before you leave? I am stripping dhcp.conf t bare bones now with no result |
| 21:51.18 | lightbright | bop1: i realised my /dev was totally empty so I got a kernel panick |
| 21:51.20 | lex_ | So... no SSH lords here? |
| 21:51.23 | cheal | !tell doks about build package |
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| 21:51.41 | lightbright | hytt: hehe, looks like a great command there you crreated :) |
| 21:51.42 | jshriver | Greetings, anyone here use MSI Geforce4 MX 4000 video card? |
| 21:51.51 | hytt | into exclud.lst, i put /tmp/* , /proc; /mnt, and /home and /etc/fstab |
| 21:52.00 | abrotman | SimonRaven: is there an idiot's guide to making outlook work with LDAP ? |
| 21:52.01 | jshriver | The manufacturer says it has full linux support via opengl drivers... but I can't locate any drivers or info on how to install them |
| 21:52.02 | lightbright | hytt: did that copy across the /dev folder too? |
| 21:52.04 | bop1 | lightbright its not empt |
| 21:52.04 | bop1 | y |
| 21:52.18 | sk8r44m | TheCount any clues where to look before you leave? I am stripping dhcp.conf t bare bones now with no result |
| 21:52.21 | sclebo05 | nvidia.com has them, i have seen .debs around also |
| 21:52.35 | hytt | lightbright> you can add /dev/pts too into exclud.lst file |
| 21:52.35 | ming_ | finally. dhclient eth2 works |
| 21:52.39 | ming_ | thanks all help |
| 21:52.41 | sk8r44m | TheCount if not thanks anyway for looking into this |
| 21:53.06 | TheCount | sk8r44m: no idea - something is definitely strange. I'd check with tcpdump/strace/ltrace |
| 21:53.08 | hytt | lightbright> after just chroot your /mnt/hda9, edit a new fstab, create temp proc mnt folder |
| 21:53.16 | Angel___ | sclebo05 is there also debs in the ati i have never seen some |
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| 21:53.25 | doks | ahh coool colby |
| 21:53.28 | hytt | lightbright> sry i dont have pm |
| 21:53.41 | doks | err i mean cheal |
| 21:53.42 | lightbright | hytt: my new hard drive wouldnt boot, it said kernel panick, /dev persmissions not set or something! So I "cp -fra /dev mnt" from my source hard drive, and then my new hard drive booted :) |
| 21:53.55 | doks | so it would be apt-get install -b package? |
| 21:54.19 | cheal | !build package |
| 21:54.20 | dpkg | i guess build package is 'dpkg-buildpackage' or 'apt-get -b source <pkg>' |
| 21:54.27 | hytt | lightbright> rsync -ravlpogtDH <=== keep permission, name of user, time and other |
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| 21:54.44 | bop1 | lightbright how do i fix it? |
| 21:54.56 | Toran | how can I change the cursor theme in debian from the command line? |
| 21:55.00 | douglas | without going there, is there a simple way to find out if your site's blocked by the great firewall of china? |
| 21:55.01 | doks | cheal by "source" you mean i have to add the direct link from a webpage? i cant use debian`s source file? |
| 21:55.06 | valdyn | !wikifaq Angel___ UseAti |
| 21:55.08 | dpkg | Angel___: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseAti or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:55.18 | cheal | doks: source is an apt-get command |
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| 21:55.26 | doks | ohhh |
| 21:55.33 | doks | sorry |
| 21:55.35 | doks | :-) |
| 21:55.38 | hytt | lightbright> for clone system with "tar" you need to boot on a kernel with option "single" |
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| 21:55.41 | lightbright | bop1: not sure, for I fixed it by "cp -fra /dev /mnt" from my source hard drive to my destination |
| 21:55.44 | doks | apt-get -b source apache? :D |
| 21:55.47 | Angel___ | dpkg: ok thanks i will try them |
| 21:56.06 | MrXerox | What do I do for this one guys:? configure: error: this packages requires a curses library |
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| 21:56.23 | lex_ | How can i make an ssh tunnel through two or more intermediate boxes? |
| 21:56.29 | valdyn | MrXerox: why are you trying to compile something? |
| 21:56.39 | lightbright | hytt: did that command copy your source /dev? because tar doesnt |
| 21:56.45 | bop1 | you mean /mnt /dev? |
| 21:56.48 | cheal | doks: did you try it? |
| 21:56.48 | ming_ | when ever I open an webpage, it takes a long time to connect to the server,it spend more than 20 seconds to "lookup serveraddress |
| 21:56.51 | MrXerox | yeah, alsa utils |
| 21:56.52 | tuv | when i choose a language in gdm language selector, upon login i get: language xyz does not exist. what am i missing?? |
| 21:56.57 | Eonn | guys im having issues with the 'w' and 'who' command. It doesnt seem to be showing people logged in via ssh. Is there any way of repairing or reinstalling these tools? |
| 21:57.00 | lightbright | hytt: ok, ill try your rsync command then |
| 21:57.07 | Toran | how can I change the cursor theme in debian from the command line? :-) |
| 21:57.20 | doks | cheal yeah but it fail |
| 21:57.23 | matt_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:57.24 | doks | failed |
| 21:57.29 | MrXerox | thanks matt |
| 21:57.31 | doks | asked for dependencies |
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| 21:57.56 | doks | dpkg-buildpackage: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting. |
| 21:57.57 | doks | dpkg-buildpackage: (Use -d flag to override.) |
| 21:58.00 | lightbright | bop1: no, i meant for I fixed it by typing from my source hard drive: "cp -fra /dev /mnt" |
| 21:58.11 | matt_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.14 | valdyn | doks: apt-get build-dep <package> |
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| 21:58.39 | tuv | when i choose a language in gdm language selector, upon login i get: language xyz does not exist. what am i missing?? |
| 21:58.52 | doks | ah nice |
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| 21:58.55 | doks | something happens now |
| 21:58.56 | doks | :D |
| 21:59.05 | MrXerox | perfect, thanks again matt |
| 22:00.41 | doks | nice its compiling now :D |
| 22:00.54 | ming_ | how come my browser spend a long time to looking up addresses? |
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| 22:01.34 | lightbright | ming_: mine does that at times when my ISP has problems |
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| 22:01.42 | doks | cheal does it save the temprary packages? is it possbile to delete them when the compile job is done if i dont need them anymore? it looks like it downloading the packages i need and then compile it |
| 22:01.56 | ming_ | lightbright: maybe something wrong with my network setting? |
| 22:02.01 | abrotman | or thier dns |
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| 22:02.06 | valdyn | ming_: means that your nameserver its taking its time to respond. |
| 22:02.12 | valdyn | ming_: no, hardly |
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| 22:02.27 | ming_ | I have no problem when I use winxp |
| 22:02.30 | lightbright | ming_: not sure, sorry |
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| 22:02.39 | matt_ | might be a proxy problem if you use one or a bad dns server |
| 22:02.49 | cheal | doks: it simply installs them. I'm not sure if you could use deborphan to clean them. after maybe pbuilder would be better, but I'm far from an expert of building |
| 22:03.11 | doks | ok:) |
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| 22:03.26 | hytt | lightbright> http://216.239.39.104/translate_c?hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&langpair=fr%7Cen&u=http://lea-linux.org/cached/index/Trucs:Oldid%3D202.html&prev=/language_tools |
| 22:03.30 | valdyn | doks: what would be the point of you compiling this at all? |
| 22:03.34 | ming_ | this does not happen in winxp, only in debian, |
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| 22:03.40 | doks | valdyn I want to compile apache + php |
| 22:03.43 | doks | :D |
| 22:03.44 | lightbright | hytt: whats that for? |
| 22:03.48 | hytt | it isnt a good translate sry |
| 22:03.57 | hytt | for rsync |
| 22:03.57 | doks | just tested with xmms now |
| 22:04.10 | lightbright | hytt: but I already got your command for rsync |
| 22:04.24 | hytt | ok :p |
| 22:04.29 | wang | btw people grip is an excellent frontend for lame |
| 22:04.44 | doks | dpkg-deb: building package `xmms' in `../xmms_1.2.10+cvs20050809-4_i386.deb'. |
| 22:04.45 | doks | dpkg-deb: building package `xmms-dev' in `../xmms-dev_1.2.10+cvs20050809-4_i386.deb'. |
| 22:04.45 | doks | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.45 | doks | dpkg-genchanges: binary-only upload - not including any source code |
| 22:04.45 | doks | dpkg-buildpackage: binary only upload (no source included) |
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| 22:04.46 | lightbright | hytt: thats website url seems dodgy :P |
| 22:04.47 | TheCount | .. I use it for CDs. hm. |
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| 22:04.54 | SimonRaven | abrotman: lookout has its own crap; to deal with it you need to have certain attributes in the relevant entries. yeh there's some howtos, also check the FAQ |
| 22:04.57 | doks | will that say its done compiling? |
| 22:04.59 | SimonRaven | ... |
| 22:05.02 | doks | or is it a error message |
| 22:05.04 | dondelelcaro | doks: please don't paste here ever. |
| 22:05.06 | SimonRaven | doks: don't paste here |
| 22:05.08 | doks | ok sorry |
| 22:05.12 | abrotman | SimonRaven: the faq-o-matic .. kind of sucks :) |
| 22:05.14 | SimonRaven | @ldap faq |
| 22:05.14 | dondelelcaro | doks: and no, that's not an error message. It's just informative. |
| 22:05.15 | ravenbird | http://www.openldap.org/faq/ |
| 22:05.18 | valdyn | doks: its done. |
| 22:05.19 | hytt | lightbright> its a very nice website for noob in french :) |
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| 22:05.21 | doks | ok :) |
| 22:05.30 | doks | damn its fast |
| 22:05.31 | doks | :d |
| 22:05.37 | abrotman | SimonRaven: yeah .. that one |
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| 22:05.43 | lightbright | hytt: how did you know I am fluent in French? |
| 22:05.48 | lightbright | hytt: not! :) |
| 22:05.49 | hytt | lightbright> but google translate it very bad |
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| 22:05.56 | valdyn | doks: now try it for openoffice.org ;) |
| 22:06.05 | bahamat | has anybody ever played with debmirror, specifically setting up a security mirror? |
| 22:06.06 | doks | lol |
| 22:06.08 | doks | no thanks :P |
| 22:06.10 | SimonRaven | abrotman: rb lives in #ldap as dokbot |
| 22:06.10 | doks | been there done that |
| 22:06.12 | doks | on gentoo |
| 22:06.13 | doks | ;) |
| 22:06.28 | mwelsh | has anyone here ever gotten a case temperature below 75 degrees (F)? |
| 22:06.32 | dondelelcaro | bahamat: why bother? just use the rsync scripts. |
| 22:06.36 | doks | xmms_1.2.10+cvs20050809-4.dsc <-it installed the program in the root directory and made some files there |
| 22:06.39 | doks | can i delete them? |
| 22:06.40 | hytt | lightbright> maybe your .au |
| 22:06.42 | hytt | lol |
| 22:06.43 | lightbright | hytt: im about to try the command you gave me: anything you want to tell me before I try it? |
| 22:06.46 | valdyn | bahamat: or use approx or apt-proxy |
| 22:06.47 | bahamat | dondelelcaro: which ones? |
| 22:06.51 | abrotman | SimonRaven: i noticed the other day |
| 22:06.56 | valdyn | bahamat: oh sorry |
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| 22:07.04 | bahamat | valdyn: that's not quite good enough for what I want to do |
| 22:07.06 | ming_ | how can i check my dns setting? |
| 22:07.08 | doks | .desc .changes .deb tar.gz |
| 22:07.16 | doks | dif.gz |
| 22:07.22 | ming_ | maybe i have a dns server installed on my debian? |
| 22:07.26 | ming_ | is that possible? |
| 22:07.28 | dondelelcaro | bahamat: http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror |
| 22:07.32 | SimonRaven | ming_: cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:07.38 | lightbright | hytt: ok i guess not :) |
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| 22:07.48 | valdyn | ming_: hardly by incident |
| 22:07.52 | SimonRaven | ming_: if you're asking probably not |
| 22:07.57 | mwelsh | can a CPU temperature be too low? |
| 22:07.57 | bahamat | dondelelcaro: debmirror works great for the main mirror, but for security it wants to mirror debian-installer and I can't say "I'm smarter than you do what I said" |
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| 22:08.05 | cheal | doks: .dsc, .diff.gz, .orig are all only used to compile |
| 22:08.20 | doks | ok :-) |
| 22:08.30 | valdyn | mwelsh: no |
| 22:08.33 | ming_ | this looking up really borthering me |
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| 22:08.51 | doks | cheal why did it download the files in the current directory? it looks like a mess :/ |
| 22:09.02 | bahamat | dondelelcaro: yea, that anonftpsync only uses rsync, and afaik, there are no rsync mirrors for security available |
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| 22:09.07 | doks | config file etc.. should have been added to /etc (the normal places :/ |
| 22:09.15 | doks | even when you choose to compile the package:/ |
| 22:09.19 | dondelelcaro | bahamat: yes, there are. |
| 22:09.20 | cheal | doks: maybe. perhaps apt-build is better |
| 22:09.27 | valdyn | doks: how did you install the package? |
| 22:09.27 | doks | let me try |
| 22:09.29 | matt_ | ming, check content of /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:09.31 | bahamat | dondelelcaro: where? |
| 22:09.32 | dondelelcaro | bahamat: rsync security.debian.org::; and be enlightened |
| 22:09.33 | cheal | doks: which config file? |
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| 22:09.41 | doks | httpd.conf |
| 22:09.47 | doks | valdyn apt-get build-dep |
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| 22:09.53 | doks | apt-get build-dep |
| 22:09.58 | bahamat | dondelelcaro: well then why isn't that listed on the list of mirrors? |
| 22:10.09 | dondelelcaro | bahamat: because it isn't. |
| 22:10.18 | cheal | doks: if you installed the package, httpd.conf will get in /etc |
| 22:10.21 | dondelelcaro | bahamat: security isn't mirrored in the same way that the mirror archive is mirred. |
| 22:10.29 | dondelelcaro | s/rre/rrore/ |
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| 22:10.49 | apa | hmm |
| 22:10.49 | valdyn | doks: that wont put anything in your current directory.. |
| 22:10.49 | ming_ | matt_: it has line 1: search line two:nameserver 192.168.0.1 |
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| 22:10.54 | apa | cough |
| 22:10.55 | cheal | doks: check the APT HOWTO if you want a better idea |
| 22:11.01 | doks | cheal ok :) |
| 22:11.04 | ming_ | matt_: 192.168.0.1 is my wireless router |
| 22:11.05 | bayab00m | hi folks |
| 22:11.21 | doks | valdyn weird because it did, with alot of other files it used for compile |
| 22:11.41 | ming_ | matt_:should I change it to the dns provided by ISP? |
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| 22:11.49 | matt_ | that would be better |
| 22:11.50 | valdyn | doks: i think you are mixing something up. |
| 22:11.58 | hytt | ming_> yes ISP dns |
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| 22:12.06 | doks | oh? how? :o) |
| 22:12.13 | doks | let me try another package |
| 22:12.29 | valdyn | doks: did you dpkg -i the generated package(s) ? |
| 22:12.35 | SimonRaven | ming_: isp name server, and you can remove that search bit too, unless you have a domain name you want to put there |
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| 22:12.55 | lightbright | hytt: should a swap partition be ext3, the same as main partition for Debian? |
| 22:12.56 | doks | valdyn no :o) |
| 22:13.02 | SimonRaven | ming_: you can have up to 3 'nameserver' statements IIRC |
| 22:13.37 | valdyn | lightbright: no |
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| 22:14.05 | abrotman | SimonRaven: you know what .. the LDAP in outlook .. sucks |
| 22:14.09 | lex_ | I need to know how can i make a multihop tunnel in ssh (that is... with two or more hosts in between) |
| 22:14.13 | lightbright | valdyn: ok I got it, should be 82 |
| 22:14.15 | SimonRaven | yes it does |
| 22:14.29 | SimonRaven | hard. on hairy donkey balls. |
| 22:14.45 | lightbright | hytt: what does "--exclude-from=exclud.lst" do? |
| 22:14.49 | ming_ | ok, let me try |
| 22:14.53 | abrotman | SimonRaven: apparently .. you can't just browse |
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| 22:15.20 | hytt | lightbright> create a file "exclud.lst", inside this file put path of directory what you want ignored |
| 22:15.22 | SimonRaven | evolution's ldap support isn't great, but km better than lookout's |
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| 22:15.39 | hytt | echo "/tmp" >> exclud.lst |
| 22:15.40 | abrotman | yes .. no way to browse .. is tarded |
| 22:15.41 | liable | heh, that comment was an interesting thing to see first look at the screen :) |
| 22:15.43 | hytt | echo "/proc" >> exclud.lst |
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| 22:15.54 | lightbright | hytt: i only want /mnt ignored or else it will loop and copy itself into itself over and over |
| 22:16.09 | SimonRaven | fuck, kaddressbook or any script for mutt's query command works better |
| 22:16.12 | Schiz0 | I'm trying to compile something, and I'm getting the error: checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 22:16.17 | hytt | you need to ignore virtual system too, /proc and /mnt !! |
| 22:16.27 | SimonRaven | lbdb, or custom script... anything |
| 22:16.36 | SimonRaven | and /sys |
| 22:16.41 | abrotman | that said .. Netscape doesn't let you just browse either |
| 22:16.52 | abrotman | but at least the search is better |
| 22:17.00 | SimonRaven | nope. and the moz apps inherit the same crap |
| 22:17.05 | ming_ | SimonRaven:do i need restart the network services? |
| 22:17.07 | lightbright | hytt: this look right now? rsync -ravlpogtDH --exclude-from=/mnt /proc / /mnt |
| 22:17.13 | hytt | nono |
| 22:17.16 | SimonRaven | ming_: restart? |
| 22:17.18 | lightbright | hytt: :P |
| 22:17.23 | SimonRaven | ming_: foreign concept ;) |
| 22:17.24 | hytt | its a file "exclud.lst" |
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| 22:17.32 | ubuntudude | again, how to dump a file using dd, but not into local file, but into remote file (via ssh/scp)? best something like dd of=- | ssh or something.... |
| 22:17.32 | Schiz0 | Anyone know why? |
| 22:17.35 | SimonRaven | ming_: no |
| 22:17.37 | lightbright | hytt: i only need to exlude /proc and /mnt |
| 22:17.40 | ming_ | OK :) |
| 22:17.52 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 22:17.55 | abrotman | SimonRaven: are there any thick clients that don't suck ? |
| 22:17.59 | abrotman | SimonRaven: mail clients i mean |
| 22:18.12 | hytt | lightbright> /proc, /mnt, /tmp, /etc/fstab (cus not the same boot) |
| 22:18.17 | SimonRaven | mutt, kmail, evo |
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| 22:18.28 | SimonRaven | mutt and muttng as first choice |
| 22:18.31 | abrotman | SimonRaven: win32 |
| 22:18.33 | robewald | hello, how would I reload a kernel, not rebooting, but loading from the shell with some program and custom parameters. Is that possible, and which program can you use for that |
| 22:18.35 | robewald | ? |
| 22:18.42 | lightbright | hytt: but I just edit the fstab |
| 22:18.51 | lightbright | hytt: to point to my new hard drive |
| 22:19.08 | SimonRaven | no idea. least sucky i imagine would be the FS apps |
| 22:19.12 | lightbright | hytt: so we only then need to exclude /proc, /mnt, /tmp , agreed? |
| 22:19.13 | hytt | lightbright> lightbright after rsync yes, you need to edit fstab and create folder mnt proc tmp |
| 22:19.17 | abrotman | hrm .. i'll have to try thunderbird |
| 22:19.30 | mymayer | does my /etc/ssh/sshd_config need +r for "other2 ? |
| 22:19.35 | lightbright | hytt: i just create them as empty folders, right |
| 22:19.40 | SimonRaven | should be anyway ;). OE is a pile of insecure crap |
| 22:20.03 | SimonRaven | lightbright: /sys for 2.6 kernels |
| 22:20.15 | lightbright | hytt: so ill try this now: rsync -ravlpogtDH --exclude-from=/mnt /proc /tmp / /mnt |
| 22:20.24 | hytt | lightbright> chmod -R 755 proc mnt , and chmod -777 tmp |
| 22:20.32 | hytt | lightbright> chmod -R 755 proc mnt , and chmod -R 777 tmp |
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| 22:20.53 | valdyn | !uml |
| 22:20.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, uml is User Mode Linux, which allows you to boot a kernel in user space. http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/. Unified Modelling Language, or at http://people.debian.org/~wli/uml_0.37-1_i386.deb, or has been integrated in ac patches, and has a woody->sarge converter at http://gnea.net/uml_howto.txt |
| 22:20.54 | abrotman | SimonRaven: it wouldn't be OE |
| 22:21.04 | valdyn | robewald: ^^^ |
| 22:21.11 | SimonRaven | uh, /tmp isn't 777, and neither should do that |
| 22:21.15 | hytt | lightbright> no |
| 22:21.20 | hytt | --exclude-from=FILE read exclude patterns from FILE |
| 22:21.37 | hytt | you need to create a file |
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| 22:21.41 | icblenke | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.45 | hytt | exclud.lst |
| 22:22.16 | lightbright | hytt: so if you were using that command and you wanted to exclude what we discussed, how would you type the command? |
| 22:22.27 | Schiz0 | I'm trying to compile something, and I'm getting the error: checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables - Anyone know why? |
| 22:22.45 | valdyn | lightbright: cp -ax / does all you need to clone a system really ( except for fixing the kernel and fstab ) |
| 22:22.54 | fatal_ | Schiz0: you probably need build-essential |
| 22:22.55 | hytt | on wich partition you have mounted your target ? |
| 22:23.01 | robewald | valdyn: mmh, uml is not really what i am looking for, because it requires a custom kernel, which I would like to avoid |
| 22:23.27 | lightbright | valdyn: I heard you need to use tar or rsync for that |
| 22:23.35 | valdyn | lightbright: that is nonsense |
| 22:23.55 | lightbright | valdyn: well thats what everyone has told me, I was even told that cp wont work doing that |
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| 22:24.18 | lightbright | valdyn: i was even abused for asking this too much :P |
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| 22:24.28 | SimonRaven | should you do* |
| 22:24.33 | lightbright | so I better drop it now :P |
| 22:24.33 | valdyn | lightbright: im cloning my home system since kernel 2.0.3x like that, so im sure it works |
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| 22:24.52 | Schiz0 | Is it just me, or is etchs' packages starting to be updated more often? |
| 22:24.55 | lightbright | valdyn: do you type cp -ax / from your source root directory? |
| 22:25.04 | hytt | tar is more fast than cp |
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| 22:25.21 | MushroomPrince | hello room |
| 22:25.25 | icblenke | is there a better openprojects channel to use than #debian for maintainers? |
| 22:25.26 | valdyn | lightbright: cp -ax / /mnt/newroot/ ( doesnt matter where i type that from ) |
| 22:25.32 | lightbright | hytt: yes but tar doesnt copy /dev and when I used tar my new hard drive woulnt boot, it said no /dev permissions |
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| 22:25.47 | robewald | I thought it would be possible to sort of reboot, but without needing a bootloader |
| 22:25.58 | lightbright | valdyn: does that command keep all file permissions? and does it copy /dev ? |
| 22:26.00 | znx | lightbright: udev creates device.. its a virtual.. like proc |
| 22:26.01 | SimonRaven | uh, what? |
| 22:26.10 | thc | how do you boot without a bootloader |
| 22:26.26 | znx | thc: ..? oxymoron maybe :P |
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| 22:26.28 | abrotman | thc: let me show you a trick i learned in 'nam |
| 22:26.33 | SimonRaven | thc: put on a pair of galoshes ;p |
| 22:26.37 | lightbright | valdyn: when I tried cp once, it kept looping in /mnt |
| 22:26.38 | thc | hah |
| 22:26.44 | valdyn | lightbright: it copies /dev, unless /dev is an extra filesystem. If /dev is an extra filesystem, then you likely shouldnt just copy it anyway |
| 22:26.55 | MushroomPrince | Simonraven, isn't that from an n64 game ? |
| 22:26.55 | icblenke | you used to be able to dd a kernel directly to the drive, bypassing the need for a bootloader.. (back in the 1.x days) |
| 22:27.03 | thc | abrotman: if it involves a bottle of maple syrup and some midgets, i don't wanna know |
| 22:27.05 | icblenke | not any longer, AFAIK. |
| 22:27.06 | robewald | thc: well thats the question, I dont want to boot, I want to reload the kernel |
| 22:27.12 | SimonRaven | you don't need to cp /dev anyway... um, MAKEDEV anyone? ;) |
| 22:27.14 | antgel | planning to migrate from courier-imap to cyrus for better opengroupware integration. don't know much about cyrus. is it a similar product? will i be in a world of pain? our imap requirement is very simple. |
| 22:27.21 | thc | robewald: what are you talking about |
| 22:27.31 | znx | SimonRaven: udev! ;) |
| 22:27.35 | SerajewelKS | robewald: how the hell do you "reload the kernel" without rebooting |
| 22:27.43 | thc | robewald: if you're already using the kernel you want, why 'reload' anything |
| 22:27.44 | lightbright | valdyn: doesnt that loop when it tries to copy /mnt ? |
| 22:27.52 | thc | rebooting is for booting an entirely different kernel |
| 22:28.10 | valdyn | lightbright: for example, if on your running system you have udev installed then the contents of /dev/.static/ should be copied to /mnt/newroot/dev/ |
| 22:28.24 | SimonRaven | antgel: cyrus is its own beast. recent ones support ldap nicely (build with pts-ldap, not pts-afskrb) |
| 22:28.30 | lightbright | SimonRaven: how do you makedev a hda when you are running from hdb? |
| 22:28.34 | robewald | thc: I can't use the kernel, that I want, and the init is on the wrong filesystem. |
| 22:28.42 | SimonRaven | antgel: i found courier's ldap support to be lame at best |
| 22:28.50 | abrotman | antgel: can't be that simple .. if you're migrating :) |
| 22:28.52 | valdyn | lightbright: doesnt loop, x flag makes it stay and copy only from the filesystem that contains / |
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| 22:28.59 | thc | robewald: in that case, i don't see how you can avoid rebooting |
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| 22:29.02 | Ether_Man | Anyone know if the netinstall cd-image have support for ipw2200 cards? (Intel Pro Wireless 2200BG) |
| 22:29.13 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 22:29.23 | SimonRaven | lightbright: obviously you've never done this before |
| 22:29.24 | valdyn | Ether_Man: nope |
| 22:29.27 | lightbright | valdyn: ah ok, so the x switch is the magic one :) |
| 22:29.35 | SimonRaven | man cp |
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| 22:29.39 | robewald | thc: the big picture, I am on a nas, and installed debian on the harddisk, but the kernel and the root system comes from the flash |
| 22:29.42 | valdyn | lightbright: well, -a is magic too ) |
| 22:29.43 | lightbright | SimonRaven: no im new to this mirroring |
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| 22:29.47 | antgel | SimonRaven: i use courier ldap via pam. does default debian cyrus not support ldap? |
| 22:29.53 | fatal_ | Ether_Man: even if it has the driver, I'm pretty sure they don't include the firmware since it's closed. |
| 22:30.05 | thc | robewald: can't help ya there, never ran a setup like that |
| 22:30.06 | fatal_ | Ether_Man: the firmware isn't even redistributable AFAIK. |
| 22:30.10 | robewald | i cannot modifiy the boot parameters, but the wrong init is started |
| 22:30.12 | lightbright | valdyn: do I need to add f switch too? eg, cp -fax ? |
| 22:30.22 | antgel | abrotman: nah, it is simple. it's just that i understand cyrus integrates better with OGo. it's those efficient germans :) |
| 22:30.41 | Ether_Man | fatal_: The source is avail so why not? And the source is in the stable branch.. |
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| 22:31.04 | fatal_ | Ether_Man: the source for the driver only.... but the driver needs the closed firmware to actually work. |
| 22:31.09 | valdyn | lightbright: no |
| 22:31.10 | robewald | so I need to start the init with pid 1 which only works if it is loaded from the kernel, thats the problem I want to solve |
| 22:31.19 | abrotman | antgel: hehe |
| 22:31.34 | valdyn | lightbright: actually, using that just has no effect in this case |
| 22:31.41 | lightbright | valdyn: ok, im going to try now from root of source: cp -ax / /mnt/ |
| 22:31.42 | lightbright | brb |
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| 22:31.47 | Ether_Man | fatal_: ic.. but that firmware is on sourceforge so cannot very well be closed then :/ |
| 22:31.53 | SimonRaven | antgel: debian's does via saslauthd and some pam magic. it isn't great, and working through saslauthd is rather limiting. what i'd suggest is fetch current CVS (it's pretty stable considering it's CVS), then apply the security patches mentioned in debian/changelog - i'm doing it now, but i messed up my build-tree, have to start over. i do have a debian diff you can work from however |
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| 22:32.16 | icblenke | robewald: if you boot with "init=/bin/bash", you can always "exec /sbin/init 2" to continue init on its merry way as pid 1. |
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| 22:32.27 | antgel | SimonRaven: when i said will migrating be a world of pain, that's kinda the type of thing i meant. courier stays :) |
| 22:32.31 | lightbright | valdyn: and after I type cp -ax / /mnt/ , and then I edit fstab to point to new hard drive! Am I then ready to boot new hard drive? |
| 22:32.49 | fatal_ | Ether_Man: it's closed because there is no source available for the firmware.... the firmware is not licensed under the GPL, it has a very restrictive license that won't allow anyone to distribute even the binary blob. |
| 22:32.49 | SimonRaven | antgel: have you built .debs before? |
| 22:32.50 | valdyn | lightbright: nope |
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| 22:33.02 | robewald | I cannot modify the bootparameters, I need to do something like that from the shell |
| 22:33.04 | antgel | SimonRaven: unless saslauthd will do the trick. i din't know anything about sasl, grr |
| 22:33.08 | lightbright | valdyn: what else is there? :P |
| 22:33.21 | SimonRaven | antgel: it works, just a bit pokey IMO |
| 22:33.30 | antgel | SimonRaven: sure have. just really not wanting to go there on a production server |
| 22:33.46 | antgel | SimonRaven: you're a mac man, you have higher aesthetic standards than me :_ |
| 22:33.51 | fatal_ | Ether_Man: you have to personally download it yourself from the official Intel site..... that's not very easy to do during the install (specially not if you don't have internet connection because your wireless card isn't working), is it? :) |
| 22:33.53 | SimonRaven | antgel: have some docs on my blog WRT this stuff |
| 22:34.00 | antgel | SimonRaven: url? |
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| 22:34.07 | robewald | so an init is started, what I dont want |
| 22:34.07 | Ether_Man | fatal_: no you dont.. http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/ |
| 22:34.35 | SimonRaven | http://simonraven.nuit.ca/blog/categories/computers/Cyrus-IMAPSASLLDAPandExim4.html |
| 22:34.35 | fatal_ | Ether_Man: have you actually read what the page says instead of just clicking next/accept? |
| 22:34.36 | abrotman | !ipw2200 |
| 22:34.37 | dpkg | ipw2200 is a wireless driver for intel wireless cards, to install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. you will need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-source-$(uname -r) packages installed, and you will need contrib sources, ask me about <contrib>. Download and install firmware as you are told during the install. http://ipw2200.sf.net, or for help go to #ipw2200 |
| 22:34.42 | valdyn | lightbright: you need to fix your bootloader ( grub i guess ), how exactly depends, if you want to keep the old disk or not. |
| 22:34.54 | gapler | Hi, If I`ve got bad sectors on my hdd... is there someway to standardly bypass them or something ??? cuz I could trow away my disk but perhaps I could still use it without corrupting data .... right ? |
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| 22:35.10 | ryan` | how do you update the version information for a debian package? |
| 22:35.15 | antgel | SimonRaven: i understand that cyrus doesn't use unix accounts, is this "feature" negated if i configure it to use ldap? |
| 22:35.16 | lightbright | valdyn: ah thats ok, I changed that already! Its ready to boot into my new hard drive. |
| 22:35.23 | dondelelcaro | ryan`: with dch; or an editor. |
| 22:35.30 | lightbright | valdyn: so nothing else |
| 22:35.40 | Ether_Man | fatal_: I've read everything except the entire licence agreement part that actually doesnt even apply in my country |
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| 22:35.46 | ryan` | dondelelcaro, that's the program i was looking for, thanks. |
| 22:35.48 | valdyn | lightbright: nope |
| 22:36.13 | SimonRaven | antgel: it does. it doesn't use unix mbox. it has its own mailstore |
| 22:36.23 | gapler | Hi, If I`ve got bad sectors on my hdd... is there someway to standardly bypass them or something ??? cuz I could trow away my disk but perhaps I could still use it without corrupting data .... right? |
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| 22:36.32 | SimonRaven | @tell gapler -about repeat |
| 22:36.47 | antgel | SimonRaven: so i'll need to migrate ~/Maildir? this is getting more painful by the minute |
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| 22:36.47 | gapler | ma bad |
| 22:37.04 | SimonRaven | antgel: there's scripts |
| 22:37.10 | valdyn | gapler: your harddisk does that for you, if bad blocks actually show, that means that there's just to many bad blocks now. |
| 22:37.18 | lightbright | valdyn: how is cp better than using rsync or tar? |
| 22:37.34 | SimonRaven | antgel: and yeh, i've done that sort of thing once each way. i've stuck with cyrus since |
| 22:37.39 | valdyn | lightbright: less letters to type |
| 22:37.48 | SimonRaven | hehe |
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| 22:37.54 | gapler | valdyn a low level format would that help anything ?? |
| 22:37.57 | SimonRaven | @valdyn++ |
| 22:38.06 | lightbright | valdyn: heheh, yeah thats good for a beginner like me who has trouble with com;licated switches :) |
| 22:38.20 | fatal_ | Ether_Man: how do you know that it doesn't apply if you haven't even read it? ... anyway... I'm not interested in discussing this.... |
| 22:38.25 | lightbright | valdyn: and I like the idea that cp -ax also keeps all the file permissions etc |
| 22:38.39 | SimonRaven | antgel: cyrus-tools.sf.net/ |
| 22:39.03 | lightbright | valdyn: but is cp as reliable as tar or rsync in copying everrthing? Isnt rsync a better higher quality more reliable app? |
| 22:39.12 | antgel | SimonRaven: thanks. i think i'm going to investigate *exactly what* the benefits are from using cyrus with ogo |
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| 22:39.16 | TheCount | cyrus SUX |
| 22:39.25 | valdyn | lightbright: no, not at all |
| 22:39.26 | hytt | lightbright> rsync -ravlpogtDH = These options allow a mode filing (A) into recursive (r) by preserving the bonds symbolic systems (L), by preserving the hardware-links (H), preserving the permissions (p), the owner (o) and groups it (G), by preserving the devices (D) and by respecting the fields "times" files ( |
| 22:39.28 | MushroomPrince | thecount, wtf is cyrus ? |
| 22:39.31 | SimonRaven | more complex doesn't mean better |
| 22:39.34 | lightbright | hytt: ok |
| 22:39.44 | antgel | TheCount: thank you for your constructive comment |
| 22:39.49 | TheCount | MushroomPrince: cyrus IMAP daemon |
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| 22:40.01 | lightbright | hytt: i wonder if cp does all that too. Any idea? |
| 22:40.04 | TheCount | antgel: I've used it in two companies, and I badly needed to replace it after a while |
| 22:40.14 | SimonRaven | TheCount: yeh, whatever. use what you like |
| 22:40.23 | valdyn | lightbright: the purpose of rsync is to save data transfer. When copying to an empty directory that is just completely irrelevant |
| 22:40.32 | lightbright | hytt: im going to also try that rsync command you gave me and then I will see what I like best |
| 22:40.36 | TheCount | antgel: impossible beast to cope with if you're running a small to medium setup, too bad you need it when serving a few thousand users |
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| 22:40.54 | antgel | TheCount: tell that to SimonRaven |
| 22:40.57 | TheCount | SimonRaven: will do. just makes me get all emotional. |
| 22:41.07 | Ether_Man | fatal_: because licence agreements in general do not apply here.. our law wins over a contract no matter the content.. a private person cannot no matter what the situation agree to anything that contradics the law.. meaning no matter the content of the agreement.. the law goes above it.. |
| 22:41.10 | aprildl | I have ctrl-z bg a long running .sh file. If I get disconnected from ssh - will that job stop or keep going? |
| 22:41.18 | TheCount | .o( well, 'need it' might be the wrong wording ) |
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| 22:41.33 | antgel | TheCount: if it is impossible to cope with, how is SimonRaven coping? |
| 22:41.34 | sclebo05 | that will die |
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| 22:41.41 | lightbright | hytt: so if I want to use rsync from root directory of hdb and copy to hda in /mnt. Then the whole command would be: rsync -ravlpogtDH --exclude /proc /tmp / /mnt |
| 22:41.42 | sclebo05 | you want to use screen, and detach a screen session |
| 22:41.46 | lightbright | hytt: is that right? |
| 22:41.52 | sclebo05 | then ssh back in and reconnect later |
| 22:41.57 | SimonRaven | TheCount: sure. i'm "coping" just fine |
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| 22:42.27 | valdyn | lightbright: you would have to create /proc /tmp and /mnt manually too |
| 22:42.31 | SimonRaven | and i don't have thousands of users... |
| 22:42.38 | TheCount | antgel: dunno. seems like he took the time to wrangle with the beast ;) |
| 22:43.05 | SimonRaven | you know you can talk to me directly |
| 22:43.07 | aprildl | sclebo05 - the .sh is already running - is there anything I can do now to protect it ... is it possible to get it into a screen session I can detach now |
| 22:43.11 | lightbright | valdyn: just create them as normal directories? |
| 22:43.22 | TheCount | SimonRaven: yes, of course |
| 22:43.25 | lightbright | hytt: did that command look right to you? |
| 22:43.44 | valdyn | lightbright: not just, you want to adjust permissions too |
| 22:43.56 | TheCount | SimonRaven: I've had too many problems with the storage format, the quota handling, shared folders, diskspace handling etc, sorry |
| 22:43.56 | fatal_ | Ether_Man: just being curious... which country is this that don't have any concept of Copyright at all? |
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| 22:44.15 | Ether_Man | fatal_: We also have some very funny laws saying that unless you actually handwrote your signature.. you havnt agreed to shit.. |
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| 22:44.22 | TheCount | SimonRaven: I'm on less than friendly terms with cyrus, and prefer simple Maildir storage with maybe a few index files - STRONGLY. |
| 22:44.25 | SimonRaven | TheCount: *shrug* |
| 22:44.41 | valdyn | Ether_Man: funny? its still like that in most countries |
| 22:44.49 | JW | When I use "dpkg -l" the column with the package names in it is truncated, so I can't see the full name of some packages. |
| 22:44.58 | JW | Any way to see the whole name? |
| 22:45.09 | azeem | JW: I do 'COLUMNS=400 dpkg -l' |
| 22:45.12 | SimonRaven | JW: man dpkg; /COLUMNS |
| 22:45.17 | azeem | but there was a more elegant solution |
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| 22:45.32 | valdyn | like dpkg -l | cat |
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| 22:45.53 | Ether_Man | fatal_: Sweden actually.. and we do have a very good concept of copyright.. more strict than in most countries actually.. out law states that downloading copyrighted material without the permission of the copyright holder is copyright infrigiment.. no matter if the copyright holder actually sues or not.. |
| 22:46.01 | JW | azeem: Thank you, that's nice |
| 22:46.08 | bop1 | how can i check which package owns a specific file |
| 22:46.14 | bop1 | say i wanna know which package installed /bin/ls |
| 22:46.20 | icblenke | dpkg --search /bin/ls |
| 22:46.25 | fatal_ | Ether_Man: agreements aren't valid unless properly signed here in Sweden eigther... but unless I accept the license agreement I haven't been given the right to even *use* the firmware since it's copyrighted.... |
| 22:46.41 | bop1 | icblenke there is a faster way i forgot the command |
| 22:46.50 | valdyn | -S |
| 22:47.00 | SimonRaven | hehe |
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| 22:47.02 | fatal_ | Ether_Man: you have the very wrong idea of swedish laws.... |
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| 22:48.03 | Ether_Man | fatal_: In part true.. But that is only if the licence agreement actually states that you are only allowed to use it after agreeing to the contract.. and even if you do agree (making you lawfully able to use the software) you are not bound to that contract because you havnt signed it.. |
| 22:48.07 | TheCount | .o( hm. if I don't agree to a license agreeement (legally binding), am I rightfully using the software at all? ) |
| 22:48.12 | bop1 | valdyn funny |
| 22:48.20 | bop1 | mozilla is the same as mozilla-firefox? |
| 22:48.41 | fatal_ | Ether_Man: and if you don't agree, you haven't been given any right at all to the firmware... so you aren't allowed to go anywhere near it.... |
| 22:48.48 | Ether_Man | TheCount: Yes.. Since you have agreed to the licence and that is what is stated in the agreement.. |
| 22:48.50 | zinx | TheCount: is it really a legally binding license agreement? |
| 22:49.04 | TheCount | bop1: nope. mozilla = mozilla suite ; mozilla-firefox = firefox (just the browser) |
| 22:49.04 | fatal_ | Ether_Man: so, eighter you agree to the license and thus comply.... or you can't use it at all. |
| 22:49.15 | TheCount | zinx: sure. |
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| 22:49.42 | TheCount | zinx: copyright law applies anyway, i.e. per default you're not allowed to do anything at all - in almost all states. |
| 22:49.53 | zinx | TheCount: no, you can't use licensed software without agreeing to the license |
| 22:49.59 | TheCount | zinx: the licence agreement usually grants you these rights - on it's own terms. |
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| 22:50.07 | zinx | TheCount: no |
| 22:50.08 | Ether_Man | fatal_: no.. That's the most funny part about our laws.. you really should read up on them ^_^ because you agreeing to the licence isnt binding.. that you agree and dont follow are two seperate things.. |
| 22:50.18 | zinx | TheCount: copyright law only applies to duplicating of the data |
| 22:50.36 | TheCount | zinx: ... and loading the data into your computers memory for execution isn't duplicating it? |
| 22:50.38 | zinx | TheCount: if you purchase the data, you own the copy. you can do anything you want with it (except copy it, of course :P ) |
| 22:50.43 | icblenke | copying it to memory to run it isn't duplicating it? |
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| 22:50.50 | zinx | TheCount: copyright law is pretty fuzzy there |
| 22:50.57 | Ether_Man | zinx: no you dont.. you own the right to USE that data.. not the data itself.. |
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| 22:51.01 | fatal_ | Ether_Man: fuck the license.... read up on copyright laws.... who gave you the right to access the copyrighted firmware? |
| 22:51.02 | antgel | SimonRaven: url to your cyrus notes? |
| 22:51.04 | TheCount | zinx: neither in the US nor in europe |
| 22:51.08 | zinx | Ether_Man: you own your *COPY* of the data |
| 22:51.17 | TheCount | zinx: nope, never |
| 22:51.19 | SimonRaven | http://simonraven.nuit.ca/blog/categories/computers/Cyrus-IMAPSASLLDAPandExim4.html |
| 22:51.21 | antgel | SimonRaven: (i refuse to use the word "blog" :) |
| 22:51.23 | icblenke | you don't own anything. |
| 22:51.29 | icblenke | you are licensed to _use_ something. |
| 22:51.30 | TheCount | zinx: you are granted a license to use the bytes you own as software |
| 22:51.30 | zinx | jesus |
| 22:51.36 | zinx | go read about copyright law :E |
| 22:51.44 | TheCount | zinx: and you only own the storage which holds the bytes .. |
| 22:51.57 | SimonRaven | antgel: tough. actually, i call it something else ;). as you'll see from the title |
| 22:51.58 | TheCount | zinx: did so, sorry ;) |
| 22:51.59 | fatal_ | Ether_Man: just because something is available on the internet doesn't you can use it however you want.... copyright still applies.. |
| 22:52.09 | Ether_Man | fatal_: the agreement stating that the only thing I need to do is accept it.. which I have.. it isnt legally binding however so if I actually follow those rules or not isnt part of me being allowed to use them or not.. |
| 22:52.15 | TheCount | zinx: even studied some corresponding law for my diploma ;) |
| 22:52.51 | TheCount | Ether_Man: you need to accept it to be allowed to use it. otherwise, you're not. you following that or not is not part of that, right. |
| 22:52.53 | icblenke | software should be open, and immune to copyright. unfortunately, we live in a depraved world of ignorant politicians. |
| 22:53.12 | mwelsh | should is a bad word |
| 22:53.13 | TheCount | icblenke: knowledge or it's implementations should be, yeah |
| 22:53.23 | mwelsh | people should only do what they want to do |
| 22:53.41 | TheCount | any non-rare goods should be free |
| 22:53.45 | mwelsh | and if that means selling proprietary software, who are we to stop them? |
| 22:53.52 | icblenke | closed-source thinking is stiffling innovation as much as patent law. |
| 22:53.56 | fatal_ | Ether_Man: If you are so well informed about Swedish laws you should know that statements as "Copyright" and "All rights reserved" doesn't mean shit in Sweden, as it's the default.... unless you have been given a license to use something you aren't allowed to..... |
| 22:54.17 | TheCount | mwelsh: nah, people should be allowed to be as free as they can be without having impact on other peoples freedom with it .. better. |
| 22:54.25 | Ether_Man | fatal_: Wrong again.. Copyright and "upphovsrätt" isnt the same thing.. |
| 22:54.33 | SimonRaven | mwelsh: unless what someone else wants is to eat your brain. i don't think you want that when you're using it ATM. yes i'm splitting hairs |
| 22:54.36 | mwelsh | but you can't say what people can't do. |
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| 22:54.40 | fatal_ | Ether_Man: anyway... take it up with debian-legal if you're an expert in laws. |
| 22:54.58 | mwelsh | thats like saying you can't wear purple anymore |
| 22:54.59 | bxa | is intelIA-64 just a 64bit os i could run on a 64 amd |
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| 22:55.04 | icblenke | mwelsh: sure you can. that's what law is for. societies tell you what you can't do, to keep humans civil. |
| 22:55.07 | Ether_Man | I've been sued three times for this crap.. I know the laws on this particual thing ^_^ |
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| 22:55.29 | mwelsh | civil doesn't apply to intellectual property |
| 22:55.33 | icblenke | right. |
| 22:55.34 | SimonRaven | unless what they assume as rights impedes on yours, and vice-versa. |
| 22:55.36 | TheCount | the problem is the 5% malicious idiots who force the remaining people to greate laws at all. |
| 22:55.36 | mwelsh | its a product |
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| 22:55.41 | TheCount | s/greate/create/ |
| 22:56.11 | icblenke | we are vicious animals, humans. |
| 22:56.15 | TheCount | .o( intellectual property is a product? ) |
| 22:56.17 | antgel | SimonRaven: didn't realise you were into your politcs. we could have some interesting discussions. the wonders of #debian, bringing together commies and nazis all over the globe ;) |
| 22:56.37 | mwelsh | bah |
| 22:56.41 | icblenke | ubuntu rocks. |
| 22:56.44 | TheCount | dondelelcaro: please remind us of the topic? :) |
| 22:56.48 | mwelsh | well whatever people should do, they wont do it |
| 22:56.51 | mwelsh | so why bother |
| 22:56.53 | icblenke | (flame baiting) |
| 22:57.04 | SimonRaven | TheCount: indeed. my partner has to deal with said malicious idiots locally. she puts something up on the web, with all sorts of notices, and they still steal it and use it as material to sell something, when in the notice it's explicitly mentioned that it cannot be used for commercial purposes |
| 22:57.29 | SimonRaven | antgel: i'm neither ;) |
| 22:57.41 | eleftherios | on the sarge netinstall boot prompt, what is the parameter needed for using a 2.6 kernel? Is it just 'linux26' or something more? (I do not have the installer infront of me and could not find the relevant info in the manual) |
| 22:57.49 | TheCount | SimonRaven: well, that's the problem with non-rare stuff. you can duplicate it without cost. |
| 22:57.50 | antgel | dondelelcaro: i didn't say have those discussions *here* |
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| 22:58.01 | valdyn | eleftherios: why dont you read the text? |
| 22:58.04 | SimonRaven | antgel: hehe |
| 22:58.14 | usuario | a dumb question: who know a irc-channel about networking ? |
| 22:58.17 | dondelelcaro | eleftherios: yes, it's linux26; it' son F2-F7 |
| 22:58.21 | liable | grrr, exim all of a sudden thinks root@hostname is a remote address and keeps freezing my cron and apt-listchanges mails.. |
| 22:58.25 | valdyn | eleftherios: uh, why dont I, ops |
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| 22:58.31 | TheCount | there should be a base payment for everyone, so they can be creative and share their creativity without this being bad for them, and without needing to have laws which limit the distribution of non-rare stuff. |
| 22:58.37 | eleftherios | dondelelcaro, valdyn thank you =) |
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| 22:59.50 | SimonRaven | TheCount: thing is, this is all either oroginal material based upon research and experience, or original material from creation. so no, it isn't non-rare, it's unique |
| 22:59.59 | TheCount | SimonRaven: if she holds the copyright she should be able to throw some money at the problem and be rid of it (the money), without gaining anything :( |
| 23:00.02 | lightbright | I'm trying rsync and sadly it doesn't work properly for me. Can anyone see a problem with this command: rsync -ravlpogtDH --exclude /mnt /proc / /mnt ? |
| 23:00.05 | usuario | a idiot question: who know a irc-channel about networking ? |
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| 23:00.20 | dondelelcaro | usuario: you can ask those questions here if you want. |
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| 23:00.31 | TheCount | SimonRaven: no, it's non-rare, because after it was created, it is there. and when it's spread, it doesn't get lost, worn, or otherwise destroyed. |
| 23:00.33 | streuner | usuario: do you use debian? |
| 23:00.35 | SimonRaven | usuario: not idiotic, just naive. what do you need? |
| 23:00.40 | usuario | yes, debian |
| 23:00.43 | antgel | SimonRaven: in your experience, is there any good reason to use courier imap over cyrus apart from ease of setup? both projects seem to have the austere, superior aura of a trustworthy mail server |
| 23:00.54 | lightbright | usuario: your questions cant be worse than mine :) but rest assured, most people here are patient :) |
| 23:01.00 | dondelelcaro | antgel: I'd personally suggest dovecot over courier or cyrus... |
| 23:01.03 | usuario | xD |
| 23:01.04 | lightbright | and very very helpful |
| 23:01.17 | TheCount | .o( .. must .. keep .. mouth .. shut .. about .. cyrus .. and .. courier .. ) |
| 23:01.18 | SimonRaven | antgel: they both are, IMO. i just prefer cyrus. no experience with dovecot |
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| 23:01.33 | usuario | i need "nessus" help |
| 23:01.34 | icblenke | just use dovecot. |
| 23:01.41 | icblenke | you'll be happier. |
| 23:01.58 | TheCount | just use something with an open, wide spread mailbox format. |
| 23:02.04 | antgel | dondelelcaro: my reason for pondering migration is that we deploy OGo for many customers, and cyrus integrates with OGo better afaik. it have server-side filters and search which OGo utilises. |
| 23:02.21 | antgel | icblenke: why? |
| 23:03.00 | jerome | bonjour ! I have two different monitors, arranged on a xinerama layout, however the color settings between monitors just don't fit. I'm looking for some soft to set the color profiles on both monitors to fit each other. Any idea ? |
| 23:03.02 | TheCount | antgel: well, then you might be better of with cyrus. but this is because of your integration plans, i.e. other factors than solely the mail server software. |
| 23:03.15 | icblenke | simplicity. speed. mbox/maildir store. so many reasons. |
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| 23:03.26 | usuario | is #networking the unique option ? |
| 23:03.32 | TheCount | jerome: uhm, you should calibrate the monitors at the monitor, not in software, maybe? :) |
| 23:03.43 | antgel | icblenke: um, have you read my reason for wanting to migrate? |
| 23:03.50 | jerome | TheCount: ho, I tried that of course :) |
| 23:03.53 | dondelelcaro | antgel: yeah, it may work then; I personally don't find either of those as stable as far as UIDs go as dovecot, which is what I care about; most users probably wouldn't notice if the UIDs change. |
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| 23:04.39 | jerome | TheCount: actually, the iiyama monitor looks a bit "greenish" and the acer is just "whiter" with default settings |
| 23:04.41 | TheCount | antgel: I've solved the UID stuff with the userdb of courier, which can be used against ldap or a database by using different authdaemons |
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| 23:05.21 | antgel | it does occur to me that not having mail in a Maildir may come back to bite at some point. do occastionally use mutt on a Maildir, or grep through it |
| 23:05.55 | dondelelcaro | TheCount: no, I'm talking about message UIDs, not user uids. |
| 23:06.11 | TheCount | antgel: yes, you can't do that with courier. grepping works, thou, but even deleting a single mail is a problem if you don't use the tools cyrus expects you to use. |
| 23:06.19 | dondelelcaro | or whatever the hell the right imap name for the thing is |
| 23:06.26 | TheCount | antgel: the quota database get messed up etc |
| 23:06.36 | TheCount | dondelelcaro: oh, okay |
| 23:06.52 | dondelelcaro | antgel: that's what offlineimap is usefull for; you can have a local copy of your Maildir and sync it constantly |
| 23:06.54 | SimonRaven | yeh, uid |
| 23:07.01 | TheCount | dondelelcaro: the user shouldn't notice that, this is usually hidden by the IMAP implementation |
| 23:07.22 | dondelelcaro | TheCount: most users won't, but since I sync stuff in two directions with imap, I notice it. |
| 23:07.33 | SimonRaven | indeed. both courier and cyrus do an ok job at it |
| 23:07.40 | SimonRaven | ah |
| 23:08.08 | antgel | dondelelcaro: yeah but this is starting to get mucky. i loke courier because i installed it and it just worked. no fuss. ldap worked via pam. i am thinking that the benefits don''t make it worth migrating. however, for our next OGo install, perhaps we'll consider it |
| 23:08.20 | TheCount | dondelelcaro: if you don't sync via imap, you do, yeah |
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| 23:08.44 | lightbright | thanks everyone for all your help today. bye |
| 23:08.46 | mymayer | how to uninstall a package, like apche2 wiht all dependcies ? |
| 23:08.51 | lightbright | dondelelcaro: bye |
| 23:09.04 | davidleeroth | Whats up guys? I am on Ubuntu right now, and I want to migrate to debian... Is there a Supported hardware list on the debian site? |
| 23:09.08 | antgel | mymayer: aptitude will do that providing you installed it with aptitude |
| 23:09.24 | dondelelcaro | TheCount: I sync via imap; however, if the UIDs change on the server, which they do surprisingly often with courier or cyrus, I have no clue what messages are now on the client or which are on the server. |
| 23:09.30 | TheCount | mymayer: I'd use aptitude and just look at the depends on/required by/recommends/etc parts |
| 23:09.35 | antgel | davidleeroth: you are one overrated rocker. there isn't, but you can install with 2.4.27 or 2.6.8. |
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| 23:09.46 | dondelelcaro | TheCount: so I have to throw out all of the local changes, and then pull the entire mailbox again, which is silly. |
| 23:09.47 | TheCount | dondelelcaro: hm. what do you use for syncing? |
| 23:09.50 | dondelelcaro | TheCount: offlineimap |
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| 23:10.38 | dondelelcaro | http://svn.donarmstrong.com/don/trunk/home-full/.offlineimaprc should give you an idea of what I'm doing |
| 23:10.38 | TheCount | dondelelcaro: hm. always used mailsync. never had these problems. |
| 23:10.40 | davidleeroth | does debian netinst come with ndiswrapper installed? example: can i load up my driver from my ubuntu hdd during the netinst? |
| 23:10.58 | antgel | davidleeroth: not afaik |
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| 23:11.22 | TheCount | davidleeroth: definitely not |
| 23:11.25 | antgel | davidleeroth: might be possible, but not something i would relish |
| 23:11.46 | davidleeroth | that sucks |
| 23:11.51 | TheCount | davidleeroth: you could have success using knoppix or even a ubuntu CD and doing debootstrap by hand |
| 23:12.14 | davidleeroth | i am using ubuntu right now |
| 23:12.19 | TheCount | davidleeroth: Debian is about free software, ndiswrapper is about integrating non-free stuff to get it work at all. who's wrong? |
| 23:12.33 | antgel | SimonRaven: was that mustard left over from your website colour scheme? :) |
| 23:12.39 | davidleeroth | who cares? |
| 23:12.40 | SimonRaven | yup |
| 23:12.49 | TheCount | davidleeroth: I do. |
| 23:12.58 | ryan` | I just built a debian package.... I got a .udeb and a .deb... .what do I do with the udeb? |
| 23:12.59 | SimonRaven | davidleeroth: many people do |
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| 23:13.10 | antgel | davidleeroth: lots of people, it seems |
| 23:13.15 | TheCount | davidleeroth: and I care for people like you as well - so you can have (and keep!) the right to free software. |
| 23:13.16 | davidleeroth | i am going to use ndiswrapper if thats the only option i have for using my wireless card |
| 23:13.17 | valdyn | ryan`: delete it? |
| 23:13.24 | SimonRaven | antgel: i'm moving my stuff to wiki, it's easier to manage |
| 23:13.32 | valdyn | ryan`: udebs are for debian installers |
| 23:13.32 | AnArKY87 | hi |
| 23:13.45 | ryan` | valdyn, ok... |
| 23:13.46 | dondelelcaro | TheCount: mailsync does something totally different using a three way merge; I've personally never used it, but I doubt it's as fast as offlineimap |
| 23:13.55 | AnArKY87 | when release kde 3.5 ?? |
| 23:13.57 | SimonRaven | udeb is near useless on a normal debian system |
| 23:14.01 | TheCount | davidleeroth: the sensible thing would be to toss the wireless card and get one that's supporting free driver implementations (yes, we know that you already got the card and blahblahblah - just to see the point of view I/we have) |
| 23:14.05 | sk8r44m | TheCount it seems it has something to do with the one-lease-per-client statement in dhcpd.conf |
| 23:14.11 | antgel | SimonRaven: we discovered plone today, in the office. what a fucking amazing product that is. we developed out own publishing system for web customers, but could be time to retire it. |
| 23:14.25 | davidleeroth | TheCount, it would be a bit hard to toss as it is built in to this noteboo. |
| 23:14.36 | antgel | davidleeroth: get a chainsaw |
| 23:14.42 | TheCount | sk8r44m: hm. don't know what you're talking about exactly? how would more than one lease per client(/mac address) make sense at all? |
| 23:14.51 | TheCount | davidleeroth: toss the notebook ;) |
| 23:15.02 | davidleeroth | no way |
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| 23:15.14 | SimonRaven | antgel: i still can't get my head wrapped around plone for some reason. i try to do something and i get more confused |
| 23:15.21 | TheCount | davidleeroth: yes, a bit extreme. but sorry, debian chose to go the completely straight way wrt freeness |
| 23:15.27 | SimonRaven | anyway, gotta get ready |
| 23:15.39 | davidleeroth | the windows driver is free............ |
| 23:15.40 | sk8r44m | if commente that statement , i can not get mu dhcpd to runaway |
| 23:15.45 | TheCount | dondelelcaro: hmmmmmmmm. |
| 23:15.46 | dondelelcaro | davidleeroth: it doesn't cost money, but isn't Free. |
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| 23:16.03 | TheCount | davidleeroth: dondelelcaro is right. |
| 23:16.13 | antgel | SimonRaven: it's stunning. we usually laugh at all these frameworks and anything that does meta anything, but we were bowled over. there is a great 425-page pdf reference manual which you may like to peruse |
| 23:16.33 | TheCount | antgel: you know joomla and typo3 as well? |
| 23:17.17 | antgel | TheCount: i have heard of them and we will look at them, but by the time you look at all these things, you've forgotten to quote the customer who has gone down the road to the dreamweaver cocks |
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| 23:17.32 | davidleeroth | it is the difference between gratis y libre |
| 23:17.45 | antgel | davidleeroth: indeed |
| 23:17.47 | davidleeroth | it is highly bothersome |
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| 23:17.56 | TheCount | davidleeroth: _yes_. |
| 23:17.59 | davidleeroth | im learning spanish lol |
| 23:18.08 | antgel | davidleeroth: you don't need to feel the pain. ndiswrapper is in debian, just not in the install |
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| 23:18.29 | davidleeroth | antgel, how can i netinstall then!!?!?!!?? |
| 23:18.31 | TheCount | antgel: indeed *sigh* |
| 23:18.41 | davidleeroth | does debian have a sk98lin module in there? |
| 23:18.42 | antgel | davidleeroth: some of us do use software in non-free and contrib, just don't tell rms |
| 23:18.42 | TheCount | antgel: but basically everthing is out there already |
| 23:18.44 | bibe | i, i've linked an init skript to /etc/rc2.d with "ln -s .. .." but it is not executed at boot time. with ls -alh my link is red, while the others are blue. user is root for all and permissions are the same. what is wrong with my symbolic link? |
| 23:18.59 | TheCount | davidleeroth: don't? ;) use a CD. |
| 23:19.02 | dondelelcaro | bibe: don't use ln; use update-rc.d |
| 23:19.13 | TheCount | davidleeroth: or bootstrap using and ubuntu or knoppix cd |
| 23:19.18 | davidleeroth | does debian have a sk98lin module in there? if it does, i can just install via ethernet |
| 23:19.22 | dondelelcaro | bibe: the long answer is that you haven't linked the script in properly. |
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| 23:19.38 | dondelelcaro | davidleeroth: what type of ethernet card do you have? |
| 23:19.46 | antgel | TheCount: like i say we developed a little but quick publishing system for customers who want to update their sites. that's not wasted, we'll still deploy that for small sites. but i find it hard to get used to these products with their silly names and abstract nature :) |
| 23:19.52 | davidleeroth | Marvel yukon 88esomething |
| 23:20.03 | davidleeroth | it is supported under the sk98lin module |
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| 23:20.08 | SimonRaven | antgel: URI of this pdf? i find the zopebook confusing |
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| 23:20.24 | davidleeroth | thecount, how would i bootstrap |
| 23:20.30 | davidleeroth | im not really familiar with that |
| 23:20.34 | TheCount | antgel: yeah :) I did so a long time ago - it was faster and neater than those, but always fiddling on them got more expensive in the end than coping with existing beasts *sigh* |
| 23:20.46 | TheCount | davidleeroth: you'd use debootstrap :) |
| 23:21.01 | davidleeroth | what exactly does it do? |
| 23:21.17 | dondelelcaro | davidleeroth: bootstraps a Debian system; man debootstrap |
| 23:21.22 | SimonRaven | man debootstrap |
| 23:21.33 | antgel | davidleeroth: that module is in 2.6.8, i'm pretty sure. |
| 23:21.37 | davidleeroth | ok |
| 23:21.45 | davidleeroth | thank you all for your support |
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| 23:21.57 | davidleeroth | if you want to help me more, buy my albums |
| 23:21.57 | TheCount | davidleeroth: it was free ;P |
| 23:22.12 | davidleeroth | Jump! and have a good weekened |
| 23:22.12 | antgel | davidleeroth: you must be joking, you suck. rock band my arse. |
| 23:22.16 | TheCount | davidleeroth: some of us like free beer ;) .o( others like free speech, some both ) |
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| 23:22.34 | dondelelcaro | some of us realize that the former will disapear without the latter... |
| 23:22.36 | stew | TINSTAFB |
| 23:22.42 | antgel | SimonRaven: http://plone.org/documentation/manual/definitive-guide/definitive_guide_to_plone.pdf |
| 23:22.52 | SimonRaven | i like both. the former mostly because of fixed income :| |
| 23:22.59 | SimonRaven | thanks |
| 23:23.01 | SimonRaven | wgetting |
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| 23:23.59 | SimonRaven | dondelelcaro: indeed |
| 23:24.07 | TheCount | SimonRaven: if you need a horrible beast you could sell to an online newspaper, have a look at about 1200 pages of typo3 docs ;) |
| 23:24.14 | stew | if free beer hasn't already disappeared, where do i get some? |
| 23:24.18 | antgel | davidleeroth /msg'd me to tell me to fuck off and van halen were awesome. so why doesn't he just reform the band? |
| 23:24.24 | antgel | !beer stew |
| 23:24.35 | stew | :) |
| 23:24.53 | antgel | "better people, better food, and better beer" |
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| 23:24.56 | SimonRaven | TheCount: no, i'm tired of complicated (complex i can deal with ;) stuff |
| 23:24.58 | TheCount | fscking thing took me a whole month to grasp totally. a real HEAVYweight. |
| 23:25.24 | mymayer | when i type : apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade my system should be up2date on security updates, or ? |
| 23:25.38 | wuming | ping www.google.com will give me a very fast response, but in web browser it takes more than 20 seconds to looking up the name |
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| 23:25.49 | wuming | is this a dns problem? |
| 23:25.51 | antgel | TheCount: it's not in sarge. in 10 words, why should we use it over plone? |
| 23:25.57 | SimonRaven | @TGIWFBNIS |
| 23:26.03 | ubuntudude | wuming: anyway, it is good to use dns cache try masqdns |
| 23:26.10 | TheCount | SimonRaven: I know what you mean - but it rather is complex then complicated once you realise what you can do with it when using it to the fullest - which noone will most likely will ever do, or about 200 instances world wide in total. |
| 23:26.21 | TheCount | antgel: typo3? it is. |
| 23:26.39 | SimonRaven | typo3 hit sid a while ago. probably in sarge even |
| 23:26.43 | TheCount | antgel: short: don't, if you don't know why. |
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| 23:26.56 | antgel | wuming: maybe, maybe not. clear your local resolver cache and try the ping. |
| 23:26.58 | wuming | ubuntudude:is it a package? |
| 23:27.04 | TheCount | antgel: it's really really really heavy. you'd know if you'd need it |
| 23:27.15 | ubuntudude | wuming: yeah |
| 23:27.16 | wuming | antgel: how to clean the cache |
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| 23:27.30 | TheCount | antgel: no wait, it isn't. hm. |
| 23:27.44 | TheCount | antgel: you'd want the version maintained by the typo3 debian maintainers anyway *shrug* |
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| 23:27.59 | antgel | TheCount: it's not, afaics. fair enough. you were plugging it so hard i had to ask. also, we're new at all this cmf stuff, so we don't really know what we need. that's part of the problem. we''re worried about going too far down the wrong road |
| 23:28.00 | wuming | ubuntudude: masqdns, i canot find this package |
| 23:28.18 | antgel | wuming: don't know. perhaps /etc/init.d/networking restart? |
| 23:28.20 | TheCount | antgel: yes, that's a big problem. |
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| 23:28.57 | elhrana | What is the best way to upgrade a two-disk software RAID setup to use larger disks? Replace one, rebuild the array, replace the other, then increase the partition size? |
| 23:29.03 | antgel | TheCount: at least we're experienced enough to be aware of the problem. that in itself is a good reason why customers should trust us :) |
| 23:29.26 | TheCount | antgel: yes :) |
| 23:29.29 | ubuntudude | Dnsmasq is lightweight, easy to configure DNS forwarder and DHCP |
| 23:29.44 | antgel | TheCount: tell you what, i'll email you their requirements, you tell me what we need, how long it will take etc. ;) |
| 23:30.05 | TheCount | antgel: in short: if you don't need workflows, you might be well of with joomla. if you need complex workflows or otherwise complex setups, go for typo3. otherwise, you might be quiet well of with plone. |
| 23:30.17 | TheCount | antgel: feel free :) |
| 23:30.29 | antgel | elhrana: don't know if that works. does raid handle dynamic resizing now? |
| 23:30.30 | TheCount | s/quiet/quite/ |
| 23:31.02 | elhrana | antgel: I don't know either. :) |
| 23:31.28 | TheCount | antgel: don't think so, you most likely need LVM |
| 23:31.36 | TheCount | (still) |
| 23:32.27 | icblenke | just use devmapper with LVM or EVMS. |
| 23:32.40 | antgel | TheCount: what if i don't know what a workflow is? we're getting dangerously close to computer-cock terminology |
| 23:32.54 | icblenke | you can grow a concatenation with md, but not a stripe, AFAIK. |
| 23:32.59 | elhrana | Hmm - replace one disk with a larger-sized one, rebuild the array (so the data is copied). Remove the RAID array, repartition, replace the second disk, and rebuild the RAID array? I'd rather avoid changing any of the other software. |
| 23:33.10 | TheCount | antgel: uhm - workflow in publishers lingo in this case. |
| 23:33.26 | icblenke | the raid10 md stuff is rather fun. playing a lot with that now. |
| 23:33.33 | antgel | TheCount: that went over my head like you wouldn't believe |
| 23:33.39 | TheCount | antgel: i.e. .. someone edits content, someone else has to review it, and this someone or even someone totally else has to clear it for being publsh. |
| 23:33.51 | icblenke | and ATA over Ethernet + CLVM + Redhat Clustering under debian is pretty damn slick. |
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| 23:33.58 | foi_ | isnt there mplayer for debian? |
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| 23:34.05 | TheCount | antgel: no problem. just keep asking, if there's any doubt. |
| 23:34.09 | antgel | TheCount: thank you for telling me in three lines what a million websites couldn't |
| 23:34.15 | TheCount | foi_: nope, there are license and patent issues |
| 23:34.32 | TheCount | foi_: you can get it on nerim.net, I think |
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| 23:34.53 | foi_ | TheCount as a deb package or source? |
| 23:35.09 | TheCount | antgel: no problem, been too deep into this shit for too long to be willing to just watch and see others drown in it. |
| 23:35.18 | TheCount | foi_: deb package |
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| 23:35.43 | TheCount | foi_: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main |
| 23:35.44 | antgel | !tell foi_ about marillat |
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| 23:36.03 | antgel | TheCount: /msg? |
| 23:36.08 | gianluca_ | hi! |
| 23:36.18 | TheCount | !tell thecount about marillat |
| 23:36.19 | foi_ | TheCount so i can add it to my apt.conf and use apt-get? |
| 23:36.25 | TheCount | foi_: yeah |
| 23:36.28 | ice_1963 | is someone here running gnome 2.10.2 in sid? |
| 23:36.32 | gianluca_ | does anybody know how to open the .exe file through wine in and indipendent window? |
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| 23:36.35 | TheCount | foi_: see the message from dpkg |
| 23:36.42 | TheCount | antgel: only if you insist ;) |
| 23:36.47 | Phroziac | How can i find out what binaries i installed when i did an apt-get? |
| 23:36.52 | foi_ | yea i saw, thanks |
| 23:36.58 | foi_ | which line should i add to apt.conf? |
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| 23:37.12 | foi_ | to sources.list i meant |
| 23:37.18 | hackeron | is there anyway to go to go back to a bear minimum of packages? - I.E. the state after doing an installation with everything de-selected in tasksel? |
| 23:37.20 | TheCount | foi_: either read the manual page it told you, or take my line |
| 23:37.35 | TheCount | hackeron: have a look at deborphan and debfoster |
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| 23:37.40 | curt | I accidentally did rm sendmail* in /etc/mail |
| 23:37.41 | gianluca_ | anybody?:) |
| 23:37.41 | foi_ | which line TheCount |
| 23:37.43 | cureless | Phroziac: you can use dpkg on the packages you installed. |
| 23:37.48 | curt | how do i get them back |
| 23:38.03 | cureless | curt: you're accidentally screwed. |
| 23:38.04 | carcrashnights | I just install xdm. It doesn't seem to have /etc/X11/xdm/Xsetup_0 any longer. |
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| 23:38.10 | curt | noooooo |
| 23:38.13 | carcrashnights | I wanted to use xsetroot for the background. |
| 23:38.25 | carcrashnights | Does anyone happen to know of the current way to do that? |
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| 23:38.26 | curt | I thought sendmail didn't uninstall properly |
| 23:38.27 | mymayer | when i type : apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade my system should be up2date on security updates, or ? |
| 23:38.35 | curt | and I wanted to use postfix |
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| 23:38.40 | TheCount | foi_: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main |
| 23:38.42 | cureless | curt: you might need to reinstall the files (if they were part of a package) |
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| 23:38.46 | TheCount | foi_: deb-src ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main |
| 23:38.46 | curt | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:38.52 | hackeron | TheCount: I looked at deborphan, but even with the -a switch gnome didnt get triggered :( -- and isnt debfoster just deborphan that integrates into apt to distinguish dependencies from manually requested packages? |
| 23:39.03 | curt | the sendmail package didn't reinstall them |
| 23:39.04 | cureless | curt: why would you do that? apt/dpkg handle that for you. |
| 23:39.13 | Phroziac | cureless: with what flags? |
| 23:39.13 | foi_ | TheCount thanks.. |
| 23:39.15 | TheCount | hackeron: *shrug* so? |
| 23:39.25 | curt | i did apt-get remove sendmail |
| 23:39.29 | foi_ | TheCount what actually makes a repository? only the packages? |
| 23:39.38 | hackeron | TheCount: so I'm still left with 300 gnome dependencies, thats not very helpful |
| 23:39.38 | curt | but the sendmail daemon in etc/init.d was still there |
| 23:39.49 | cureless | Phroziac: -L |
| 23:39.50 | curt | and giving me errors in my user mail |
| 23:39.52 | dondelelcaro | curt: dpkg --purge sendmail; |
| 23:39.54 | TheCount | hackeron: then toss gnome ;) how would the scripts know? |
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| 23:40.00 | curt | then I deleted all my mail folders |
| 23:40.01 | Phroziac | thanks. |
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| 23:40.04 | TheCount | foi_: a little bit more |
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| 23:40.10 | hackeron | TheCount: how? |
| 23:40.12 | dondelelcaro | curt: don't just randomly remove stuff; if you want to reinstall sendmail, use the confmiss option; /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 23:40.38 | TheCount | foi_: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
| 23:40.48 | curt | I know, dondelelcaro that's why i am here. for expert help |
| 23:40.50 | TheCount | hackeron: dpkg --purge whatever-gnome-package |
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| 23:40.56 | cureless | curt: if you find files/programs/scripts that are giving you trouble, see which package they are from, then ask for help if necessary. |
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| 23:41.08 | dondelelcaro | !confmiss |
| 23:41.08 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
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| 23:41.36 | hackeron | TheCount: there are several, err, hundred :) -- besides, why doesnt deborphan list gnome if I run with the -a switch? |
| 23:41.49 | cureless | curt: so what is your current state? and what state do you want to be in? |
| 23:42.08 | TheCount | hackeron: dunno |
| 23:42.11 | aarkerio | Hi! somebody is using experimental branches? |
| 23:42.27 | curt | I just want my mail folders back, I am still reading and deciding |
| 23:42.34 | hackeron | TheCount: hmm, debfoster does -- guess deborphan isnt that great afterall, oh well |
| 23:42.38 | TheCount | Hi! somebody is smoking cigarettes? |
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| 23:42.51 | cureless | curt: what do you mean by your mail folders? |
| 23:43.05 | dondelelcaro | !tell aarkerio -about anyone |
| 23:43.19 | ice_1963 | well let them smok |
| 23:43.44 | TheCount | how can one read those messages? |
| 23:43.45 | curt | after deleting /etc/mail/sendmail* all my mail folders are gone, I had installed sendmail and found it too heavy and changed to postfix |
| 23:43.47 | TheCount | !tell thecount -about anyone |
| 23:43.54 | dondelelcaro | TheCount: /msg dpkg anyone |
| 23:43.56 | curt | so postfix was using /etc/mail/sendmeil* |
| 23:43.57 | foi_ | TheCount i get errors when i do apt-get update after inserting your lines to sources.list |
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| 23:44.15 | TheCount | dondelelcaro: is there a list of these? |
| 23:44.31 | dondelelcaro | TheCount: there are ~ 27,000 factoids, so not really. |
| 23:44.38 | dondelelcaro | !your factoids |
| 23:44.38 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. there is a searchable database of my factoids at http://vireo.org/~stew/dpkg/ |
| 23:44.42 | TheCount | dondelelcaro: whoops |
| 23:44.45 | dondelelcaro | TheCount: the above is about as close as you can get. |
| 23:44.48 | foi_ | Err ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable/main Packages |
| 23:44.48 | foi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:44.53 | dondelelcaro | TheCount: /msg dpkg help; for more information. |
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| 23:45.08 | TheCount | !tell foi_ -about marillat |
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| 23:45.43 | antgel | dondelelcaro: i always found /msg dpkg help to be more cryptic than the times crossword :) |
| 23:45.52 | TheCount | foi_: I don't really know :) |
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| 23:46.01 | dondelelcaro | antgel: it's not that cryptic, it just has the list of commands, and what the bot does. |
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| 23:46.10 | dabaR | haha, this guy still has the site: http://linux.edu/ |
| 23:46.14 | liable | foi_: if you actually payed attention to his page, you would put 'sid', not unstable :) |
| 23:46.19 | Phated | foi_: You want to change unstable to sid in your marillat line on sources.lst. |
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| 23:46.21 | Phated | list. |
| 23:46.21 | foi_ | ok works now |
| 23:46.23 | foi_ | thanks |
| 23:46.25 | antgel | dondelelcaro: sure. my bot-fu is poor |
| 23:46.31 | wuming | ubuntudude: i got dnsmasq: failed to bind listening socket for ::1: Address already in use |
| 23:46.32 | cureless | curt: I don't know what happened. I use postfix but I have basically nothing in /etc/mail but spamassassin. |
| 23:46.36 | foi_ | and its sarge not sid :D |
| 23:46.47 | ubuntudude | wuming: well reboot or something |
| 23:47.00 | wuming | ok, i will reboot |
| 23:47.22 | mymayer | can i transfer a ntfs partition to fat32 without loosing data ? |
| 23:47.23 | silverton | foi_, unstable == sid |
| 23:47.27 | dondelelcaro | the important things usually are info, find, listkeys, listvals, and literal; everything else you can figure out by watching. |
| 23:47.27 | ubuntudude | wuming: HINT: dnsmasq will overwrite /etc/resolv.conf, so better to backup into some resolv.conf.bup and make post-up script in /etc/interfaces that will rstore |
| 23:47.28 | antgel | ubuntudude: reboot my arse |
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| 23:47.38 | mith | mymayer: not without a seperate drive to copy the data off to |
| 23:47.42 | foi_ | ah ok |
| 23:47.45 | curt | cureless, i think it's because i had sendmail installed first but I am almost done with dondelelcaro's suggestions and i'll let you know... |
| 23:47.51 | foi_ | but it doesnt have the plugin for mozilla etc there |
| 23:48.10 | antgel | foi_: it's in debian afaik |
| 23:48.11 | dondelelcaro | curt: is your desired end state having postfix installed? |
| 23:48.14 | mymayer | mith thank you |
| 23:48.25 | foi_ | antgel where? |
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| 23:48.35 | dondelelcaro | curt: if so, dpkg --purge sendmail; and possibly apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install postfix; |
| 23:48.43 | antgel | !tell foi_ about search |
| 23:48.45 | liable | !info mozilla-mplayer sarge |
| 23:48.51 | dpkg | mozilla-mplayer: (MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla, Konqueror and OpenOffice.org), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 2.70-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 94 kB, Installed size: 304 kB |
| 23:49.05 | curt | dondelelcaro, sounds resonable i'll try that... |
| 23:49.31 | dabaR | lol |
| 23:49.46 | cureless | curt: most people have sendmail installed first. |
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| 23:50.19 | foi_ | i did apt-cache search mozilla, and that plugin didnt show up |
| 23:50.39 | mymayer | how to check the quota of an partition ? |
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| 23:51.03 | dabaR | mymayer: what quota, what partition? |
| 23:51.11 | dabaR | mymayer: df -h? |
| 23:51.17 | foi_ | liable maybe you use a specific repository? |
| 23:51.27 | too-quick | im trying to install xp on my debian box (w/lilo boot loader) and xp is telling me that the mbr has to be an xp loader to begin setup....any ideas? |
| 23:51.42 | too-quick | im trying to install xp on my debian box (with lilo boot loader) and xp is telling me that the mbr has to be an xp loader to begin setup....any ideas? |
| 23:51.51 | cureless | too-quick: don't install xp, and don't repeat questions |
| 23:51.53 | Gost | hello, I have some problem with k3b . When I try to burn DVD (data) I get error : :-( mkisofs failed : 256 ; Warning at exit ; Most likely mkisofs failed in some way . Does somebody know how to fix that ? |
| 23:52.06 | too-quick | cureless, only half the question showed up thats why i repeated |
| 23:52.10 | too-quick | and i need xp |
| 23:52.16 | too-quick | for school |
| 23:52.23 | dabaR | go install it then. |
| 23:52.33 | cureless | too-quick: the questions seem the same to me. |
| 23:52.52 | too-quick | maybe its just my app then sorry |
| 23:52.54 | icblenke | too-quick: QEMU, VMWare, Bochs/Plex86, Wine, so many other ways to do what you want without re-installing |
| 23:53.01 | cureless | too-quick: install XP, the fix the the boot process with Linux. |
| 23:53.12 | foi_ | so whats the different between apt-file search to dpkg -S i didnt understand |
| 23:53.33 | icblenke | too-quick: fdisk /mbr - to restore the default DOS boot sector (if you must) |
| 23:53.34 | dabaR | in the letters |
| 23:53.45 | foi_ | ? |
| 23:53.46 | too-quick | k thanks guys |
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| 23:53.52 | cheal | foi_: dpkg -S won't find the package if it's not installed |
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| 23:54.00 | foi_ | i see |
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| 23:57.20 | icblenke | I'm so sick of backporting. |
| 23:57.52 | foi_ | where do i get a .deb for mozilla mplayer plugin |
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