| 00:00.06 | lolhun | and how can i with apt install my nvidia driver? |
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| 00:00.27 | lolhun | plz help |
| 00:00.45 | fbi | lolhun: this channel does NOT support Knoppix. |
| 00:00.56 | lolhun | ok |
| 00:01.00 | lolhun | but |
| 00:01.09 | lolhun | apt-get install nvidia... ? ? ?? |
| 00:01.10 | fbi | !tell lolhun about enter |
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| 00:01.58 | P_jung | Hello. |
| 00:01.59 | fbi | why do you feel you should ask anyway, when i just told you not to? get a clue, install Debian. then you can get help here. |
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| 00:02.38 | klync | useruser: amsn from unstable apparently supports video chat.... i might give it a spin if i feel like setting up unstable sources |
| 00:02.50 | useruser | klync: cool |
| 00:02.55 | EdLin | !knoppix |
| 00:02.55 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandriva is redhat. |
| 00:03.18 | lolhun | ok |
| 00:03.26 | dubid | but...the ati module is included in fglrx-driver Stanchina package? |
| 00:03.31 | lolhun | but how can i my driver install with apt? :( |
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| 00:04.12 | fbi | lolhun: what part don't you understand? NO ONE WILL HELP YOU HERE. |
| 00:04.13 | jron | ok, so i've been working on getting my tv tuner working for 2 days now... the problem is i can't seem to figure out how i pass options to the module when it is loading... if i unload the module, then load the module with the syntax, modprobe bttv card=1 autoload=0 radio=0 tuner=2 it works fine, untill i reboot at least.... what is the deal here? =( i was told to add that line to /etc/modprobe.d/bttv but that also failed to work... an |
| 00:04.14 | jron | y ideas? i'm going crazy here. =) |
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| 00:04.36 | bucky | Wyzard, its' spelled right.. |
| 00:04.39 | SimonRaven | /etc/modules; |
| 00:04.47 | SimonRaven | module_name options=here |
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| 00:04.56 | Wyzard | bucky: There's an 'i' between the 'v' and the 'a' |
| 00:04.59 | Invis | Hello I have device which scans barcodes and its attached to /dev/ttyS0, whenever it scans barcode it inputs barcode number, but nowhere.. I need it when someone scans barcode, the barcode input should be considered as keyboards input. How is it possible to do so? |
| 00:05.22 | syntaxis | fbi: whilst I agree with your approach in general, lolhun's last question was not Knoppix-specific |
| 00:05.22 | valdyn | jron: do something like : "echo options bttv card=1 autoload=0 radio=0 tuner=2 > /etc/modprobe.d/bttv.custom" |
| 00:05.32 | Wyzard | bucky: nm, my own spelling was wrong :-) |
| 00:05.54 | bucky | heh |
| 00:06.07 | enveezee | Wyzard: your spelling was wrong |
| 00:06.07 | jron | valdyn, i will try that thank you for the reply. |
| 00:06.10 | useruser | klync: pity it uses such butt-ugly fonts |
| 00:06.13 | klync | Invis: you can read /dev/ttyS0 like any other file... there may be a perl module or c library or something that converts the data you'd get into a useful struct |
| 00:06.44 | klync | useruser: heh... this is the first day i've used this system.. ahven't gotten around to getting the fonts straightened out |
| 00:06.57 | enveezee | Wyzard: Mandriva is the big gay guy from cell block 4 |
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| 00:07.19 | Invis | klync, I know, but there is a thing there, i need firefox to read it.. As there will be pointer on input box and everytime barcode scanned it needs to be filled with that barcode, couldn't think anything else |
| 00:07.23 | enveezee | I need to go find something to eat before I end up ordering pizza again |
| 00:07.27 | SimonRaven | bubba's friend |
| 00:07.28 | Invis | as led barcode scanners work so.. |
| 00:07.30 | P_jung | I'm a new linux user, and I like and I use debian :-) But some of my friends tell me "it is more secure to use Slackware if You want to build a server". Is it real or not ? |
| 00:07.32 | enveezee | I spent way too much money today already |
| 00:07.50 | syntaxis | P_jung: no |
| 00:07.50 | Invis | P_jung, no, server security depends on your knowledge |
| 00:07.51 | valdyn | P_jung: that sounds like fud |
| 00:08.16 | syntaxis | P_jung: if they provided no rationale other than "Slackware's better", I would ignore it |
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| 00:08.30 | klync | Invis: you probably want to write a script /app that listens to the device, and just blurts out text when there's input... i think your question is way to specialized for anyone here to know anything more than that much... |
| 00:08.52 | klync | Invis: there might be something already, i'm sure... but that's not an everyday kinda question |
| 00:08.59 | useruser | klync: where did you find out that amsn has video support? i can't find anything about it in the config |
| 00:09.04 | fbi | big gay guy? haha wtf |
| 00:09.08 | fbi | !beer enveezee |
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| 00:09.21 | Invis | klync, yeah i know that its not everyday question, thats why i'm searching for people that might know.. |
| 00:09.21 | klync | useruser: http://amsn.sourceforge.net/ |
| 00:09.26 | P_jung | syntaxis : this friend told me : on slack there is less patch security |
| 00:09.30 | Invis | anyway where i can find keyboard in /dev ? |
| 00:09.38 | klync | Invis: well, that's the extent of my thoughts.. hope it helps |
| 00:09.40 | SimonRaven | P_jung: then i'd worry |
| 00:09.40 | lolhun | Hello |
| 00:09.50 | eliteforce | klync: the deny file is empty and no iptable rules, when i connect it says: rejected (see allowed_ips setting) |
| 00:09.56 | Invis | klync, yeah it helped a bit, gave me new ideas |
| 00:09.58 | lolhun | how can i my nvidia driver install with apt? |
| 00:10.03 | klync | Invis: :) |
| 00:10.14 | useruser | klync: "large portions of code are being cleaned and rewritten to be ready to support amazing new features in the near future (plugins system, audio/video,...)" <-- that what you had in mind? |
| 00:10.19 | SimonRaven | software not getting patched for security or other reasons? yikes |
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| 00:10.30 | syntaxis | P_jung: Debian has more security advisories overall because it has so much more software than Slackware. The only ones that actually matter are the ones that affect software you have installed (which won't be many). |
| 00:10.31 | valdyn | lolhun: please read the faq |
| 00:10.40 | lolhun | hm |
| 00:10.42 | lolhun | hm |
| 00:10.52 | klync | useruser: i'm still googling... you're way ahaead of me now |
| 00:10.53 | syntaxis | !tell lolhun about nvidia-installer |
| 00:10.55 | useruser | klync: looks like it's not actually got video support yet. but i can sleep better knowing that they have sufficiently clean code that they might add it at some stage. :P |
| 00:11.02 | klync | useruser: maybe it's a plugin? |
| 00:11.39 | SimonRaven | hm translates as "should i bother reading something informative, or should i just take a shot in the dark" |
| 00:11.39 | a1fa | !pastebin |
| 00:11.39 | dpkg | i heard pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the chatroom to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca |
| 00:11.45 | SimonRaven | ;p |
| 00:12.12 | P_jung | syntaxis : I think I understand |
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| 00:12.49 | syntaxis | P_jung: :-) |
| 00:13.09 | a1fa | Can someone look why is my xserver crashing.. it works fine with vesa but nvidia doesnt work |
| 00:13.10 | a1fa | http://pastebin.ca/27735 |
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| 00:13.33 | Lilldude10 | liable |
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| 00:14.07 | eliteforce | klync: i can connect to it from the machine thats running it with localhost:port and i dont have any firewall software |
| 00:14.11 | fbi | a1fa: you need nvidia drivers. |
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| 00:14.35 | SimonRaven | a1fa: it segfaulted |
| 00:14.54 | cheal | a1fa: how did you install the nvidia drivers? |
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| 00:15.43 | a1fa | with their install |
| 00:15.46 | a1fa | with their.run package |
| 00:15.56 | fbi | !tell a1fa about nvidia one liner |
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| 00:16.18 | fbi | what causes xmms to not be able to seek? bad file? |
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| 00:16.43 | cheal | !tell a1fa about nvidia-installer |
| 00:16.43 | fbi | i'm trying to fast forward to the middle of a mix set and i can't |
| 00:16.51 | SimonRaven | it being what it is? bitrotting |
| 00:17.09 | cheal | a1fa: nobody here will want to help you if you don't proceed the debian way |
| 00:17.17 | FrdFlint | where can i find info on setting up sata in debian/ |
| 00:17.38 | a1fa | ok |
| 00:18.03 | SimonRaven | fbi: could be |
| 00:18.32 | psychonate | arson seems like a pretty decent burning app |
| 00:19.21 | eliteforce | so how can i "unlock" a port for incoming connections? my hosts.deny file is empty and i dont have a firewall / iptable rules but telnet says: rejected (see allowed_ips setting) |
| 00:19.36 | valdyn | FrdFlint: what exactly are you looking for? |
| 00:20.00 | valdyn | eliteforce: you dont need to unlock anything, why do you think you do? |
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| 00:21.24 | valdyn | eliteforce: since you arent providing much info, im just guessing that your server application refuses to accept connections from your IP, which has nothing at all to do with unlocking ports |
| 00:21.43 | fbi | weird, i play the same file in audacity and i can fast forward no problem |
| 00:21.45 | mgdam | how do you download on ubuntu linux |
| 00:21.49 | mgdam | god |
| 00:21.58 | P_jung | Does some of You got server build on debian running since 1 or 2 year or more ? |
| 00:22.11 | asuffield | mgdam: you're looking for #ubuntu |
| 00:22.16 | mgdam | huh |
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| 00:22.42 | eliteforce | valdyn: that could be the problem :D |
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| 00:23.40 | adioe3 | How do I set up a USB cable modem to use PPPoE? |
| 00:24.31 | blockd | there's ppoeconf if that helps |
| 00:25.18 | blockd | *pppoeconf... |
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| 00:25.44 | asuffield | doubt it, pppoeconf is mostly for ethernet modems |
| 00:25.51 | ralfWORK | erm |
| 00:25.53 | P_jung | yep |
| 00:26.02 | ralfWORK | anyone had issues getting LILO to install during sarge install? |
| 00:26.08 | adioe3 | with sarge, you get xfree86, right? |
| 00:26.13 | asuffield | I find the best thing to do with a usb modem is to replace it with an ethernet modem |
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| 00:26.28 | P_jung | You are right |
| 00:26.33 | adioe3 | asuffield: or to join an internet-rehab facility |
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| 00:26.40 | adioe3 | :)= |
| 00:26.41 | luchoargentino | hola |
| 00:26.45 | adioe3 | hola |
| 00:26.48 | adioe3 | to you 2 |
| 00:27.24 | adioe3 | are there any issues with xfree86, amd64 and nvidia gforce 6600? known to people in the channel... |
| 00:27.25 | luchoargentino | hola a todos |
| 00:27.26 | enveezee | we dont speak spanish here, its not goot to greet people from spanish countries as though it were acceptible |
| 00:27.32 | enveezee | !es |
| 00:27.32 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:28.01 | zOrK | !fr |
| 00:28.01 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 00:28.02 | FrdFlint | i just got amd 64 board and chip also a sata hard drive, i reinstalled debian , but it doesnt pick up the sata drive. |
| 00:28.19 | adioe3 | I've went through a hell with the nvidia drivers (using a 32 bit debian sarge) and never got them working ... |
| 00:28.47 | enveezee | nvidia drivers are as easy as 1 ... ... well thats it |
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| 00:29.15 | ralfWORK | erm |
| 00:29.16 | adioe3 | enveezee: does the nvidia-installer work with debian? I don't think so ... |
| 00:29.25 | ralfWORK | or why the shit a compaq server won't power back up? |
| 00:29.27 | ralfWORK | :P |
| 00:29.32 | enveezee | adioe3: sure. its not at all a good idea though |
| 00:29.48 | adioe3 | enveezee: so what IS a good idea than? |
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| 00:30.09 | SimonRaven | adioe3: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
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| 00:30.14 | Invis | Anyone here knows where to find keyboard generated events? |
| 00:30.19 | enveezee | adioe3: making the package system aware of the software you've installed that directly changes the behavior of two or more package |
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| 00:30.36 | asuffield | Invis: that question doesn't make a lot of sense, try agian |
| 00:31.02 | enveezee | adioe3: that way your pc still works when you apt-get update |
| 00:31.02 | blockd | Invis: xev maybe? But what events exactly do you have in mind? |
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| 00:31.10 | Invis | blockd, pressed keys |
| 00:31.29 | Invis | i want to generate some :/ |
| 00:31.31 | SimonRaven | xev |
| 00:31.50 | SimonRaven | xev just displays them. |
| 00:31.53 | klync | i have an interface that uses dhclient, and i want my own resolv.conf; do i write a post-up script to fix the dhcp info, or is there a cleaner way? |
| 00:32.01 | z1ng3r | is there "ati one-liner" like "nvidia one-liner" ? |
| 00:32.02 | z1ng3r | :) |
| 00:32.06 | Invis | SimonRaven, that should do what i want ;) |
| 00:32.22 | enveezee | yeah the ati one-liner reads "Buy nVidia Fool!" |
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| 00:32.30 | Fluten | i just installed debian, and my optical mouse wont work in xfree. i have /dev/input/mice in the configuration file, and the light comes on on my mouse |
| 00:32.32 | Invis | thanks |
| 00:33.03 | asuffield | klync: put some 'supersede' lines into /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
| 00:33.04 | klync | Fluten: ZAxisMapping... i can find the line from my old config in a sec... |
| 00:33.07 | P_jung | Fluten : Microsoft one ? |
| 00:33.09 | klync | asuffield: ty |
| 00:33.16 | adioe3 | SimonRaven: Lovely liner ;) thx |
| 00:33.17 | cheal | nvidia drivers aren't "that" easy at all |
| 00:33.35 | a1fa | nvidia drivers suck my nut |
| 00:33.39 | asuffield | klync: oh, and make sure you're using dhcp3-client rather than dhcp-client |
| 00:33.50 | Fluten | P_jung, no, i just had it working 2 hours ago, until i did a fresh install of debian |
| 00:33.57 | walhala | does anyone now why apache 2 + mod_ssl don't work with 2.0.54 ? |
| 00:33.57 | klync | asuffield: k, i'll look into that... ty |
| 00:34.00 | Fluten | i am using the same x config file as before |
| 00:34.11 | liable | anyone had luck with installing the sarge installer on usb with syslinux and a fat16 partition? |
| 00:34.16 | klync | Fluten: under the section that defines the mouse.... |
| 00:34.19 | enveezee | Fluten: and a different OS, kernel..etc |
| 00:34.29 | asuffield | (if you haven't messed with the client config, you can simply install version 3 instead of version 2 and it'll work) |
| 00:34.30 | klync | Fluten: Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" |
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| 00:35.18 | harfooz | hi all -- I have a full Sarge installation, and just now apt-get installed k3b, but I'm unable to burn anything. I've pasted the debugging output at this url: |
| 00:35.21 | harfooz | http://pastebin.com/418827 |
| 00:35.24 | enveezee | klync: I don't think you even read his question. |
| 00:35.47 | klync | enveezee: apparently not... i think i'm halucinating |
| 00:35.50 | enveezee | klync: ZAxisMapping option has nothing to do with a mouse working or not at all. |
| 00:36.07 | enveezee | neither does anything in the XF86Config. |
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| 00:36.17 | Fluten | klync, still wont work |
| 00:36.21 | Fluten | i also have hotplug installed |
| 00:36.30 | klync | Fluten: sorry.. i was answering an imaginary question, not yours |
| 00:36.32 | klync | :-/ |
| 00:36.37 | enveezee | which is why Fluten has this problem to begin with, because he's spouting off with things that have nothing to do with the issue |
| 00:36.49 | klync | Fluten: when you do `cat /dev/input/mice` and wiggle the mouse, you get stuff spewing out? |
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| 00:37.15 | blockd | harfooz: have you seen if it works with the 2.4 kernel? |
| 00:37.15 | Fluten | nothing comes out |
| 00:37.31 | Wyzard | klync: You might be interested in the "resolvconf" package |
| 00:37.43 | klync | Fluten: do you have other devices, like /dev/mouse0 or /dev/psaux that might be where the device is attached to? |
| 00:37.49 | klync | Wyzard: hmm.. thx |
| 00:38.07 | harfooz | blockd, no -- although it was working when I was running Libranet 3.0 on it a few months ago. I recently switched to all Sarge. |
| 00:38.10 | Wyzard | klync: You can specify custom DNS servers (per interface) in /etc/network/interfaces and still have the ones from DHCP available too |
| 00:38.14 | enveezee | eh feck I need to go to the store |
| 00:38.27 | SimonRaven | enveezee: so go already :) |
| 00:38.36 | klync | Wyzard: yeah, that sounds like what i'd want to do cool |
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| 00:38.45 | Fluten | klync, maybe, ill try those |
| 00:38.49 | harfooz | blockd, I have tried to run it as root (I remember a problem with 2.6.8, and since that's the kernel I'm running, I figured I should try burning as root). |
| 00:38.56 | blockd | harfooz: later 2.6 kernels seemed to work OK for me. I've mainly stuck with 2.4 though and 2.6.8 in stable Debian made me revert back to 2.4.27 |
| 00:39.17 | Wyzard | klync: It'll also configure local DNS caches (pdnsd, bind in caching mode, etc.) to use whatever nameserver DHCP gave you, and configure resolv.conf to try the local cache first, all automatically |
| 00:39.20 | blockd | I don't know if it was just bad luck but it made too many coaster |
| 00:39.22 | blockd | *coasters |
| 00:39.26 | enveezee | SimonRaven: I was getting all comfortable and in that mode where I wasnt planning on moving the rest of the day |
| 00:39.27 | Fluten | i plugged the mouse into my other machine, and it worked right away, and stuff came out when i did cat /dev/input/mice |
| 00:39.34 | enveezee | then realized I havent got everything I need yet |
| 00:39.55 | klync | Fluten: it's usb? |
| 00:39.59 | blockd | harfooz: although with 2.4 you probably want to append ide-scsi if you have ATA devices |
| 00:40.07 | harfooz | blockd, can any burning be done in a 2.6.8 sarge installation (with any of the recording tools?) |
| 00:40.09 | Fluten | klync, yes |
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| 00:40.26 | blockd | harfooz: it got lost in the scrollage, but for me it made too many coasters |
| 00:40.31 | klync | Fluten: and it's a stock debian kernel? |
| 00:40.41 | blockd | harfooz: maybe somebody's had better experience, but even cdrecord is warning you about 2.6.8 there... |
| 00:40.48 | Fluten | i compiled the kernel |
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| 00:41.05 | klync | Fluten: maybe you missed an option then... usb / usbhid / usb-mouse |
| 00:41.15 | harfooz | blockd, yuck -- I hate hearing that since I've got everything working so well on here otherwise :-( |
| 00:41.23 | Fluten | im sure i included usbhid, ill go see about usb-mouse |
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| 00:42.18 | emp | how do i configure a dhcp interface to not blow away my /etc/resolv.conf ? |
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| 00:42.33 | klync | emp: lol... i just did what i wanted by editing /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 00:42.39 | stylish | does anyone here know where the gdm session display files |
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| 00:42.42 | ke6isf | emp: Usually by changing the permissions on /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 00:42.56 | klync | emp: but, Wyzard also pointed out the resolvconf pkg for more sophisticated stuff |
| 00:43.06 | Kibernetes | Good evening everyone! :) |
| 00:43.12 | emp | ahh thanks |
| 00:43.14 | eliteforce | hi |
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| 00:44.02 | Kibernetes | I am new to Debian and I need some help on installing software. Could anyone please help me? |
| 00:44.23 | Fluten | klync, hmm, do i need HID input layer support too? |
| 00:44.37 | klync | Fluten: i'm pretty sure yes |
| 00:44.43 | blockd | harfooz: it's probably a good idea to see if anybody has had luck with the stock 2.6.8 kernel in Debian |
| 00:44.45 | Fluten | ill install that in, and then try again, thanks |
| 00:44.47 | klync | Kibernetes: i use dselect, tho others like aptitude |
| 00:44.55 | ke6isf | Kibernetes: aptitude is your friend. |
| 00:45.14 | harfooz | blocked, okay thanks. |
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| 00:45.27 | Fluten | hmm, are there any other funny things in apt-get besides apt-get moo? |
| 00:45.55 | Kibernetes | ke6isf: Oh! I am trying to install SDL library in order to install daimonin. I couldn't find SDL inaptitude... |
| 00:45.56 | klync | Fluten: iirc, there's an rms emulator |
| 00:46.06 | klync | virtual-stallman? |
| 00:46.15 | Kibernetes | I min "in aptitude"... |
| 00:46.19 | Fluten | ive heard of that, but not used it before |
| 00:46.24 | ke6isf | Kibernetes: Have you tried searching for libsdl? |
| 00:46.28 | Kibernetes | I mean: "I MEAN".... :S |
| 00:46.28 | Fluten | does it get mad at you when you use a package from non-free or contrib? |
| 00:46.44 | klync | Fluten: yeah, and i think its smokes all your weed, too |
| 00:46.45 | ke6isf | Kibernetes: What version of Debian are you using? |
| 00:46.51 | ke6isf | !info libsdl sarge |
| 00:47.08 | ke6isf | Kibernetes: ...never mind, it doesn't exist in sarge it seems. Hang on. |
| 00:47.15 | Kibernetes | ke6isf:Yes, but only in the terminal (with apt-get) is there any better way? |
| 00:47.22 | blockd | harfooz: but I really think 2.6.8 is borked for cd/dvd burning... I've been using the 2.4 series for a while so I haven't really paid attention to which 2.6 version this is fixed in (I've tried 2.6.11 with good results) |
| 00:47.24 | Kibernetes | OK! |
| 00:47.31 | Wyzard | SDL is in sarge |
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| 00:47.35 | Wyzard | apt-cache search libsdl1.2 |
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| 00:47.51 | Kibernetes | Oh! I will try, Wyzard! :) |
| 00:47.53 | harfooz | blockd, I remember this issue back with an older FC installation I had. |
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| 00:48.07 | ke6isf | Wyzard: Ah, bingo. |
| 00:48.14 | Wyzard | Kibernetes: But the program you're installing (which is a package, right?) will pull in SDL as a dependency |
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| 00:48.23 | harfooz | blockd, the temporary workaround was to burn as root. But even that's not working for me here. |
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| 00:48.55 | Kibernetes | Daimonin is an online game and requires SDL as a dependency. :) |
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| 00:49.32 | blockd | harfooz: I always burned as root myself... maybe something was dropping privs. |
| 00:49.43 | blockd | harfooz: I didn't investigate that much before dropping back to 2.4 |
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| 00:50.24 | blockd | harfooz: but then you probably need to make sure that you append hdX=ide-scsi at boot time, or else it doesn't seem to burn using DMA |
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| 00:50.25 | harfooz | I'm going to try a post on the kde channel now, and see if anyone there might have a workaround. |
| 00:51.04 | blockd | harfooz: and then of /dev/hdX it'll be something like /dev/scd0 or something... |
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| 00:51.04 | toupeira | hi |
| 00:51.20 | toupeira | is there a website or something where you can monitor the progress of complex transitions in unstable like the current kde/dbus/hal mess? |
| 00:51.27 | Kibernetes | Wyzard: It seems to be working! :) |
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| 00:52.03 | Kibernetes | Wyzard: It worked! Thank you, Wyzard and ke6inst! :) |
| 00:52.42 | fbhjr | hi all...what is the easiest/preferred way to get java fully installed on sarge after an apt-get install java-common? |
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| 00:52.59 | Kibernetes | Good night everyone! (and thank you again!) :) |
| 00:53.06 | toupeira | fbhjr: get the .bin from sun and check out java-package |
| 00:53.27 | fbhjr | java-package...thanks much toupeira |
| 00:53.53 | toupeira | you're welcome ;) |
| 00:53.58 | fbhjr | :) |
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| 00:55.45 | darkcmd | hi |
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| 00:57.25 | mlewis00 | Would there be any conflict if I loaded devfsd after udev is already loaded? |
| 00:57.46 | Wyzard | mlewis00: probably not a good idea |
| 00:57.53 | Wyzard | mlewis00: You don't need devfsd anyway |
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| 00:59.41 | mlewis00 | Wyzard: Well, the bootlogd is failing to allocate a pseudo tty (i.e. /dev/pts/#) and I can't find out why...the bootlogd is started immediately after udev...I though maybe the bootlogd doesn't work on sarge with a 2.6 kernel and udev or something. |
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| 01:00.36 | SimonRaven | udev interferes |
| 01:00.39 | Wyzard | mlewis00: I don't know much about the workings of bootlogd, but I remember reading something several months ago to the effect that it had known problems and wasn't a good solution |
| 01:01.18 | enveezee | that trip to the store was too much like work |
| 01:01.21 | SimonRaven | devfsd and udevd do the same job. WTF would you run both |
| 01:01.56 | mlewis00 | Wyzard: Hmmm...I read about some bugs also, but others have it working on sarge but I don't know what kernel they use. |
| 01:02.18 | mlewis00 | SimonRaven: So are you saying it won't work if udev is in use? |
| 01:02.29 | Wyzard | mlewis00: More likely, it'd break udev |
| 01:02.40 | SimonRaven | no, not quite. |
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| 01:02.48 | mlewis00 | SimonRaven: I mean the bootlogd... |
| 01:02.56 | Wyzard | if it mounts a devfs over udev's tmpfs |
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| 01:03.45 | enveezee | ahh!! fucking beatles! |
| 01:03.56 | enveezee | we get these damn lady bugs like crazy every winter |
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| 01:04.06 | enveezee | the more I squish the more it seems pop up |
| 01:04.24 | Wyzard | enveezee: I think you mean "beetles", not "beatles" :-) |
| 01:04.29 | SimonRaven | bootlogd looks for a tty of that name; udevd or udevstart or whatever it's fricking called nowadays hasn't created it yet; udev is supposed to handle syscalls to device files and mknod() them as needed, but it's either not exporting stuff to sysfs, or it's too early, or both. or something else entirely i'm not seeing |
| 01:04.30 | enveezee | heh |
| 01:05.03 | enveezee | Wyzard: I dont like either. so take it how you want it |
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| 01:05.25 | mlewis00 | I've been troubleshooting this all day via the bootlogd source code (i.e. modify with fprintf(), test, remodify) and the exact problem is that the calls bootlogd makes to allocate the /dev/pts/# that it needs are failing. |
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| 01:05.42 | SimonRaven | and yeh, it isn't great as a solution for logging console output before syslog starts, but nothing else i've seen does it |
| 01:05.43 | a1fa | startx |
| 01:05.46 | a1fa | xinit: server error |
| 01:05.47 | a1fa | wtf? |
| 01:05.51 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 01:05.59 | a1fa | xinit: Server error. |
| 01:06.03 | a1fa | this is so verbose error |
| 01:06.07 | SimonRaven | s/as a/a/ |
| 01:06.18 | SimonRaven | a1fa: that's what logs are for |
| 01:06.21 | mlewis00 | SimonRaven: Exactly, but I don't know when else to load it as there are no other daemons that do the job of udev that are loaded later... |
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| 01:06.49 | SimonRaven | what i'd sauggest is getting bootlogd to start slightly later. |
| 01:07.03 | SimonRaven | sug* |
| 01:07.19 | stylish | does anyone here know where the desktop session files for gdm are stord |
| 01:07.30 | shiftscheats | hey guys im running the unstable debian sarge and i am having troubles downlaoding the sources for 2.6.8 kernel anyone have any ides? |
| 01:07.36 | SimonRaven | dpkg -L <package name> |
| 01:07.37 | dpkg | No packages found matching <package name> |
| 01:07.37 | mentor | stylish: /etc/gdm/Sessions? |
| 01:07.47 | mentor | dpkg: pat pat |
| 01:07.51 | SimonRaven | shiftscheats: sarge isn't unstable |
| 01:08.08 | shiftscheats | the unstable version |
| 01:08.18 | SimonRaven | !vagueness |
| 01:08.19 | dpkg | VAGUENESS KILLS! |
| 01:08.36 | mentor | Arg, I'm dying in an unspecific way! |
| 01:08.49 | Wyzard | shiftscheats: I think 2.6.8 has been removed from unstable... 2.6.14 is available now |
| 01:09.01 | shiftscheats | sweet |
| 01:09.10 | mlewis00 | SimonRaven: That was my next step but the only reason that I could see for doing that would be if some other daemon was to be loaded later that would effect the /dev file system...are you thinking that maybe the kernel itself isn't ready for the calls to open() for the /dev/pts/#? |
| 01:09.16 | SimonRaven | long gone. wtf are you messing with sid when you don't even know what it is... |
| 01:09.37 | SimonRaven | mlewis00: no, not udev, bootlogd |
| 01:09.39 | toupeira | stylish: there's also /etc/dm/Sessions and /usr/share/xsessions |
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| 01:10.11 | stylish | mentor : i mean the .desktop files for the gdm session manager |
| 01:10.33 | SimonRaven | stylish: dpkg -L gdm | grep desktop |
| 01:10.36 | shiftscheats | it wont allow me to apt-get the sources for 2.6.14? |
| 01:10.53 | Wyzard | shiftscheats: won't allow you? |
| 01:11.04 | Fluten | klync, the mouse is now wokring, looks like i also needed hid input layer support |
| 01:11.04 | shiftscheats | just says cant find |
| 01:11.07 | SimonRaven | tic* |
| 01:11.15 | mlewis00 | SimonRaven: What I'm trying to understand is what would be going on later if I started bootlogd later...udev is already loaded...would it be some delay in the kernel or something that would cause it not to work until later? |
| 01:11.24 | Wyzard | shiftscheats: The packages have been renamed... the begin with "linux-" rather than "kernel-" now |
| 01:11.34 | shiftscheats | o ok |
| 01:11.38 | SimonRaven | mlewis00: i'm thinking it's just a need for a longer delay |
| 01:11.47 | klync | Fluten: w00t! |
| 01:12.01 | shiftscheats | MANY thanks dude |
| 01:12.07 | klync | Fluten: interested in getting the scrollwheel working? :-/ |
| 01:12.10 | shiftscheats | now i have my wireless support |
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| 01:13.25 | SimonRaven | mlewis00: i could also be full of it too |
| 01:13.26 | mlewis00 | SimonRaven: OK, I'll try that and see what happens...thanks! |
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| 01:13.54 | SimonRaven | have fun |
| 01:14.03 | Invis | who handles keyboard events? I have generated event, but where to send it? |
| 01:14.54 | mlewis00 | SimonRaven: Well, Im no kernel hacker either...I just want to understand exactly what makes something work when I find the solution to a problem so that I will know what to do if it comes up again... :-) |
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| 01:15.24 | mlewis00 | I'll be rebooting in a few...:( |
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| 01:18.29 | mentor | stylish: Do you mean the Login Screen Manager thing in Apps/System Tools? |
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| 01:19.26 | swatikiss | i am having trouble setting up my printer with foomatic-gui / cups |
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| 01:19.46 | swatikiss | i seem to have set everything up but I can't get it to print |
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| 01:22.21 | mlewis00 | SimonRaven: I just took a second look and I think you are right...there _are_ a number of startup scripts that have to do with the file system that I overlooked because I was only looking for a script that runs a daemon...I did 'mv /etc/rcS.d/S05bootlogd /etc/rcS.d/S37bootlogd (right after S36udev-mtab)...bbl |
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| 01:22.42 | Wyzard | shiftscheats: The packages have been renamed... the begin with "linux-" rather than "kernel-" now |
| 01:22.46 | Wyzard | oops |
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| 01:24.53 | |meheren| | is it possibal to run firefox 1.0.7 on the current version of debian? |
| 01:25.03 | swatikiss | can someone suggest what to look at if I can't print anything with cups? - things looked set up correctly, but I cannot print to the printer... |
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| 01:25.40 | |meheren| | im sry i don't no much about debina im new |
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| 01:25.57 | swatikiss | |meheren|, you could install it from the tar file couldn't you? |
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| 01:26.19 | |meheren| | it woun't work |
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| 01:27.33 | swatikiss | |meheren|, what do you mean? |
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| 01:28.03 | |meheren| | well nevermind i ment the binary won't work |
| 01:28.14 | |meheren| | when i open it from command line |
| 01:28.23 | jdavis | oops, sorry |
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| 01:29.56 | useruser | if I echo 1 > /proc/acpi/sleep then the system goes to sleep, but when i wake it up, the screen is blank and (in my one test) it powered off shortly after it resumed. (it did resume, as I had some music playing, and the music resumed). how can i go about making resume work correctly? |
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| 01:30.09 | Guerin | |meheren|: please be a bit vaguer |
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| 01:31.29 | |meheren| | well im testing the tar file right now |
| 01:31.53 | a1fa | how can you su and supply password |
| 01:31.53 | Guerin | |meheren|: can you untar it? |
| 01:31.56 | a1fa | su < echo "shit" |
| 01:31.57 | |meheren| | yes |
| 01:32.00 | a1fa | ? |
| 01:32.03 | Guerin | a1fa: you can't |
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| 01:32.31 | Guerin | |meheren|: first, get rid of the | in front of your nick |
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| 01:33.04 | guru_d00d | hmm...i could have sworn i registered this nick |
| 01:33.17 | mehere | i tryed to open it but it says cancannot execut binary file |
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| 01:33.42 | Guerin | mehere: run the INSTALL script which comes with it |
| 01:33.45 | guru_d00d | what package provides g++? i tried installing g++-3.4 but that didn't seem to be it |
| 01:33.57 | menerem | from command line? |
| 01:34.03 | menerem | or click on it? |
| 01:34.11 | Guerin | menerem: fillow the damn instructions |
| 01:34.18 | meherem | ok |
| 01:34.35 | Guerin | !b-e guru_d00d |
| 01:34.36 | dpkg | guru_d00d: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 01:34.49 | stylish | dood i was racing with a Benz on torcs just a minute ago |
| 01:34.51 | Wyzard | guru: It's in the package called "g++", actually |
| 01:35.01 | heuw | so how do you tell which /dev device is where your mouse port for your hardware? |
| 01:35.18 | concept10 | stylish, whats torcs |
| 01:35.21 | guru_d00d | Guerin: thanks...still getting my laptop all set up :) |
| 01:35.34 | stylish | open racecar simulator |
| 01:35.42 | Wyzard | heuw: /dev/input/mice |
| 01:35.48 | stylish | concept10 |
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| 01:36.19 | stylish | concept10: http://torcs.sourceforge.net/sections.php?op=viewarticle&artid=3 |
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| 01:37.00 | heuw | Wyzard: "device does not exist". I got lucky with my old laptop using /dev/mouse. I know you have to match the protocol to the type of mouse, but where is it the mounting point for the device configured? |
| 01:37.06 | stylish | concept10 : just get the source and use checkinstall for makeing a debian package |
| 01:37.20 | mALANdro | te, algum que fala portugues aqui? |
| 01:37.23 | guru_d00d | you know, i think it should be "there are only 1 types of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who don't" because with 10 you have 4 possible states, thusly indicating that there are 4 types of people, whereas with just 1 there are two states - on or off |
| 01:37.29 | Wyzard | heuw: /dev/mouse is just a symlink to the "actual" device |
| 01:37.43 | concept10 | stylish, have you ever messed with vdrift? |
| 01:37.44 | Wyzard | heuw: and on modern kernels, /dev/input/mice handles USB, PS/2, and (I think) serial mice |
| 01:37.47 | meherem | yes |
| 01:37.57 | meherem | i agree gur_d00d |
| 01:37.57 | thingfish | mALANdro: falam portugues no #debian-br |
| 01:37.57 | Wyzard | heuw: provided you have the driver loaded, of course |
| 01:38.01 | guru_d00d | Guerin: any idea what package provides the "wl" binary that kismet needs? |
| 01:38.21 | enveezee | well squishing lady bugs seems to be the most effecient way other than sucking them up with a vaccume.. cause burning them doesnt work well. you burn before they would |
| 01:38.28 | mALANdro | obrigado |
| 01:38.29 | Daveman | gah, any idea which script(s) are responsible for creating a new ip lease, via DHCP everytime the system is rebooted; fresh sarge install? |
| 01:38.40 | thingfish | ;) |
| 01:38.44 | huh | so I am watching a video clip of TORCS and it looks pretty cool |
| 01:38.44 | Wyzard | guru_d00d: No, becuase 10 is the binary number two |
| 01:38.49 | heuw | Wyzard: check it out:Section "InputDevice" |
| 01:38.49 | guru_d00d | Daveman: not sure, but i always do sudo dhclient ifance_name |
| 01:38.49 | heuw | Identifier"Configured Mouse" |
| 01:38.49 | heuw | Driver"mouse" |
| 01:38.49 | heuw | Option"CorePointer" |
| 01:38.49 | heuw | Option"Device""/dev/psaux" |
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| 01:38.57 | Guerin | guru_d00d: i know nothing about wireless |
| 01:38.58 | guru_d00d | Wyzard: ahh i get it now |
| 01:39.10 | guru_d00d | Guerin: ok, thanks anyway |
| 01:39.11 | klync | Daveman: /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 01:39.30 | enveezee | huh: I used it about a year ago, its pretty decent they've made a lot of car models.. |
| 01:39.42 | Daveman | eww |
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| 01:39.45 | enveezee | it was buggy as hell I think I was using woody at the time |
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| 01:39.51 | Daveman | is dhclient being called via some other script on init, though? |
| 01:40.01 | klync | Daveman: /etc/network/* |
| 01:40.04 | guru_d00d | Daveman: init.d/networking perhaps |
| 01:40.22 | enveezee | not really buggy so much as incomplete I guess and just didnt function well |
| 01:40.23 | guru_d00d | err yeah, what klync said |
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| 01:40.30 | klync | well, both, eh guru_d00d ? |
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| 01:40.54 | guru_d00d | klync: yeah, but i think networking in init.d is just a metascript |
| 01:40.58 | guru_d00d | e.g., a wrapper |
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| 01:42.29 | Daveman | yeah |
| 01:42.59 | Daveman | hrm, so all the init directories in /etc/network/ are empty... :P |
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| 01:43.38 | jab2 | anyone running amd64 with the latest kernel? |
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| 01:43.54 | Wyzard | Daveman: If you mean the down, post-down, up, and pre-up directories, that's normal |
| 01:44.03 | Invis | anyone heard anything about XTest? |
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| 01:44.38 | Daveman | Wyzard, yeah, I gathered that |
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| 01:45.43 | Daveman | but then what's instructing it to create a new lease every init :\ |
| 01:45.54 | Wyzard | Daveman: /etc/init.d/networking |
| 01:46.16 | a1fa | I am getting User not authroized to run X .. (xorg) |
| 01:46.19 | Daveman | yeah I checkd it |
| 01:46.39 | Daveman | so then... is it a lack of specification? |
| 01:46.57 | Wyzard | Daveman: specifically, "ifup -a", which is run by the initscript |
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| 01:47.43 | Daveman | yeah that's what I thought... |
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| 01:50.15 | Guerin | !wayttd a1fa |
| 01:50.16 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, a1fa? |
| 01:50.21 | drasko | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:50.59 | Guerin | drasko: #bash |
| 01:51.12 | Guerin | drasko: read the faq in the topic |
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| 01:51.30 | RichiH | drasko: i would use perl for that |
| 01:52.06 | EchsO | i have to do alot of cutting and pasting...i need a simple gui based text editor(something that can run without gtk..i have blackbox installed) |
| 01:52.51 | RichiH | along the lines of use DBI; open (HANDLE, "< foo.file"); while ($line = <HANDLE>) {$dbh->do(insert blah blah $line)} |
| 01:53.24 | klync | EchsO: if you have java installed, i'm quite fond of jedit |
| 01:53.32 | RichiH | EchsO: vim? |
| 01:54.07 | Guerin | i'd just do it in the shell with emacs |
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| 01:54.42 | a1fa | how can i tell what mouse i need to be using? |
| 01:55.48 | Guerin | a1fa: using the one plugged into your computer is usually the best bet |
| 01:56.06 | Daveman | crap :\ |
| 01:56.42 | concept10 | stylish, why do views keeping changing in the game. |
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| 01:57.29 | mlewis00 | SimonRaven: In case you are interested, the bootlogd won't start until after S10checkroot.sh...I looked at that script but I couldn't tell what it does to cause the bootlogd to work (I can program C and ASM but don't know shell programming too well) unless it creates /dev/pts/0 somehow... |
| 01:57.54 | mmiikkee12 | i just added 2 users via useradd in a root terminal but they can't log in through gdm, any ideas? |
| 01:58.09 | mmiikkee12 | they aren't in the gdm menu |
| 01:58.19 | Lanix | i have install debian with a net install , how do i fix the mbr using that cd i hace tryes the mount option but no luck it keeps saing it does not exist ? |
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| 01:59.06 | klync | mmiikkee12: they have passwords and home directories? |
| 01:59.10 | mmiikkee12 | correct |
| 01:59.31 | mmiikkee12 | typing in the usernames and pswds gives me an error about .ICEauthority |
| 01:59.44 | a1fa | Guerin: samrt ass |
| 01:59.45 | mmiikkee12 | which indeed is non-existent for those users |
| 01:59.47 | mmiikkee12 | ... |
| 01:59.57 | Guerin | a1fa: dumb ass |
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| 02:00.07 | a1fa | nice comeback |
| 02:00.11 | a1fa | chicken lip |
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| 02:00.13 | jdavis | is there an easy way to reinstall some libraries from libc6 without doing anything too dangerous? I filed a bug report, but someone replied saying that my libc was broken. |
| 02:00.36 | klync | mmiikkee12: /tmp is not 777 ? |
| 02:00.40 | Guerin | a1fa: my point is that if you asked meaningful questions you might get meaningful answers |
| 02:00.51 | EchsO | RichiH how do you cut and paste large blocks in vim? |
| 02:00.54 | mmiikkee12 | .ICEauthority is in /home/user... |
| 02:00.55 | Green-x | hello everybody, I have a Notebook Hp zx5369cl, and I need the kernel .config for thid notebook, anyone know? |
| 02:01.02 | Guerin | jdavis: what's the bugreport? |
| 02:01.10 | Lanix | did any one reed me ? |
| 02:01.13 | a1fa | how do i determine what port is mouse running on.. it is not psaux, it is not ttyS0..4 |
| 02:01.15 | Guerin | !tell Green-x about laptops |
| 02:01.22 | a1fa | it is not dev/input/mouse0..4 |
| 02:01.23 | Guerin | a1fa: /dev/input/mice |
| 02:01.25 | EchsO | Guerin i'd like to do it with emacs but i cant figure out how to select large pieces of code and do cut and paste... |
| 02:01.28 | klync | Lanix: not sure what you mean... can you rephrase? |
| 02:01.33 | a1fa | Guerin: i tried that.. it didnt work |
| 02:01.43 | mmiikkee12 | and /tmp is 777 btw |
| 02:01.46 | Guerin | EchsO: do the tutorial |
| 02:01.47 | klync | Lanix: you're trying to fix up the cd image, or a post-install problem with your hard disk? |
| 02:01.48 | a1fa | (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice |
| 02:02.01 | a1fa | crw-rw---- 1 root root 13, 63 2005-02-26 00:43 /dev/input/mice |
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| 02:02.21 | Guerin | EchsO: move the cursor to the start of the region you want to cut, hit C-SPC and you'll see 'Mark set' |
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| 02:02.50 | Green-x | Guerin, thanks for repond, I need to compile kernel 2.6.14, but I try a lots of compilation and it dont work well, so I need the .conf fot this notebook |
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| 02:03.20 | Guerin | EchsO: then move the cursor (called 'point') to the end of the region, and do whatever command you want. C-w is kill region, which cuts the text between mark and point. |
| 02:03.36 | Daveman | klync, what would be simplest method of instructing the networking init script or whatever it is that is actually calling dhclient, to not create a new lease (or perhaps, depending on what the calling script is, not to ZERO the leases file!) |
| 02:03.46 | Guerin | Green-x: if anyone has it, it'll be linked on the sites dpkg told you about. |
| 02:04.00 | jdavis | Guerin: bug #337702, it's about openoffice, but he said it was my broken libc instead |
| 02:04.08 | klync | Daveman: sounds like something that'd be set in /etc/dhclient.conf ... check `man dhclient` |
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| 02:04.19 | Green-x | Guerin, thanks |
| 02:04.22 | mmiikkee12 | i just added 2 users via useradd in a root terminal but they can't log in through gdm, any ideas? |
| 02:04.51 | klync | mmiikkee12: you chown'ed /home/username to the user? |
| 02:04.59 | mmiikkee12 | um... |
| 02:05.06 | klync | lol |
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| 02:05.18 | Guerin | !info libc6 sid |
| 02:05.19 | EdLin | !lol |
| 02:05.20 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 02:05.24 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.5-7 (sid), Packaged size: 4831 kB, Installed size: 16372 kB |
| 02:05.34 | klync | dpkg: stfu n00b |
| 02:05.35 | dpkg | SHUT THE FUCK UP n00b! |
| 02:05.40 | klync | ahahahaha |
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| 02:05.48 | klync | r-ing otf l'ing mao |
| 02:05.54 | klync | mmiikkee12: :P |
| 02:06.05 | Guerin | jdavis: messing about with libc6 is typically very unwise, and can break your system horribly. |
| 02:06.07 | Daveman | heh |
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| 02:06.48 | Guerin | jdavis: are all other programs working normally? Is the package installed properly? Do you have any other random shit installed which might break it? |
| 02:07.00 | mmiikkee12 | anyone know how to turn on smileys in xchat? |
| 02:07.11 | Guerin | mmiikkee12: #xchat |
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| 02:07.21 | Wyzard | mmiikkee12: If you're talking about graphical ones, I've never heard of such a feature |
| 02:07.23 | mmiikkee12 | ok |
| 02:07.29 | jdavis | guerin: everything else works fine, I use firefox, thunderbird, gnome, etc. |
| 02:07.45 | mmiikkee12 | Wyzard: yes, graphical ones, te ones that look like smileys :P |
| 02:07.50 | mmiikkee12 | *the |
| 02:07.51 | Daveman | klync, uggh :P |
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| 02:08.21 | klync | Daveman: what's the problem? your lease goes stale and you can't renew it? |
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| 02:08.43 | klync | Daveman: i had that with a machine using dhcpcd, and i fixed it by setting the requested lease time to 0 |
| 02:08.46 | EchsO | Guerin on i read through the marking section of the tutorial and it doesnt explain how to mark a region by specifying a start and a end point |
| 02:09.02 | Guerin | jdavis: then it doesn't sound like the package itself is corrupted; just that some interaction between these versions is broken. I'd try downgrading oo.o to a prior version, and if that works, repost on your bugreport. |
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| 02:09.36 | Guerin | EchsO: one end of a region is always point. Point is where the cursor is. The other end is always mark. You set the mark by hitting C-SPC. |
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| 02:09.42 | jdavis | guerin: ok, so go back to like a 1.1 version of openoffice.org, and if that works, it's a problem with the openoffice.org 2.0 packages, right? |
| 02:09.46 | halibut | What is a model of soundcard compatible with linux that has midi in and out? |
| 02:09.50 | RichiH | EchsO: :set paste |
| 02:09.56 | Guerin | jdavis: no, i'm thinking a previous revision of oo.o2 |
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| 02:10.11 | Guerin | jdavis: the ones which were previously working. |
| 02:11.06 | jdavis | guerin: there's only 2.0.0-1 and 2.0.0-2, and both of them gave me the same result. I could go back to experimental oo.o2 packages which I had installed previously, 1.95 or something. |
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| 02:11.31 | Daveman | klync, first of all, I have no idea which script in the hierachy of bs init scripts is actually doing what, when -_- |
| 02:11.52 | Daveman | moreover, it would appear that one of the calling scripts is at somepoint zeroing my leasefile(s) ? |
| 02:12.04 | Guerin | jdavis: yeah, i'd suggest doing that. |
| 02:12.06 | Daveman | so dhclient is forced to request a new one |
| 02:12.25 | klync | Daveman: afaik, /etc/init.d/networking sources /etc/network/interfaces, calls the pre-up scripts, brings the interface up (which invokes dhclient, which reads it's .conf file), then calls the post up script |
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| 02:12.32 | jdavis | guerin: ok, thanks. I'm glad you saved me any pain of messing with libc :) |
| 02:12.42 | Daveman | :\ |
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| 02:13.50 | klync | so, someone reminded me i need to install oo.o ... and it's recommending cupsys-bsd ... do i need this for printing ya think? |
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| 02:14.20 | Guerin | jdavis: well, i think it's more likely that it's oo.o which is broken than libc6 - because if libc6 were broken, you'd be getting random breakage from all sorts of other things. |
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| 02:14.28 | Guerin | klync: yes. |
| 02:14.33 | klync | Guerin: ty |
| 02:14.36 | markybob | having a proble here guys. /var filled up due to an insane amount of logs. i shut down all the services i could, created a new dir in another partition, moved over all the logs and created a symlink /var/log -> newplace. restarted the services. problem is, only apache is actually logging. nothing showing up in syslog,mysql,mail,daemons,etc |
| 02:14.42 | markybob | what can i do? |
| 02:14.49 | Daveman | whatever |
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| 02:15.01 | Wyzard | klync: /etc/init.d/networking runs "ifup -a", which reads /etc/network/interfaces... the initscript doesn't read the interfaces file directly |
| 02:15.04 | mmiikkee12 | perl: warning: Setting locale failed. - anyone know what i'm missing? |
| 02:15.17 | jdavis | guerin: Ok. Thanks again. |
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| 02:15.30 | mmiikkee12 | happens all the time installing stuff with apt-get, and i'm getting annoyed |
| 02:15.41 | klync | Wyzard: ty... but i think we've already confused the Daveman a bit :-/ |
| 02:15.47 | Daveman | right but ifup reads it's own crap iirc, then the call reads something else |
| 02:15.55 | Daveman | nah I just hate fucking startup scripts |
| 02:16.08 | markybob | mmiikkee12, try dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 02:16.12 | Daveman | it's bringing back memories of rh :P |
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| 02:16.50 | Wyzard | hehe... I remember back when I first installed and booted a Linux system, being confused because I couldn't find the equivalents of autoexec.bat and config.sys :-) |
| 02:16.51 | mmiikkee12 | markybob: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is broken or not fully installed |
| 02:17.17 | Daveman | rofl |
| 02:17.17 | markybob | mmiikkee12, dpkg --force-all -i /var/cache/apt/archives/localdebfilewhateveritisi |
| 02:17.26 | mmiikkee12 | uh... |
| 02:17.32 | klync | Wyzard: and now gnome has a registry :-/ |
| 02:17.51 | markybob | mmiikkee12, the localsdeb file will be in that dir |
| 02:17.53 | Daveman | I guess I'll just try setting a "static lease" in dhclient.conf |
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| 02:18.04 | Daveman | otherwise I'm going to find my old networking software :P |
| 02:18.08 | mmiikkee12 | would apt-get install locales do it? |
| 02:18.16 | Wyzard | klync: I don't mind GConf... it's not a huge monstrosity of undocumented internal details like the Windows Registry is |
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| 02:18.58 | mmiikkee12 | Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have |
| 02:18.58 | mmiikkee12 | requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable |
| 02:18.58 | mmiikkee12 | distribution that some required packages have not yet been created |
| 02:18.58 | mmiikkee12 | or been moved out of Incoming. |
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| 02:19.06 | klync | Wyzard: true... i suppose it's better than a million .rc files, but, it kinda defeats the unix philosophy of being modular, imo |
| 02:19.09 | mmiikkee12 | oops :P |
| 02:19.15 | heuw | which x driver (woody debian) to use for an intel 82810 graphics controller? "vesa" gives me only 640x480 |
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| 02:19.40 | mmiikkee12 | i have an i810, had to upgrade to sarge to make it work |
| 02:19.46 | Daveman | hah |
| 02:20.06 | klync | Daveman: is that the "hah" of success? |
| 02:20.08 | heuw | mmiikkee12: sarge was even worse, actually. couldn't even get 640x480 |
| 02:20.16 | Daveman | klync, should I even bother tracing what's trashing the leases file? -_- |
| 02:20.18 | mmiikkee12 | that's bad |
| 02:20.32 | heuw | mmiikkee12: I'm a noob noob |
| 02:20.33 | Daveman | klync, nah, ref: Wyzard ref: windows registry :P |
| 02:20.39 | Daveman | or rather, GConf |
| 02:20.41 | Daveman | eww |
| 02:20.49 | klync | Daveman: i'm still not clear what's happening that you're trying to fix |
| 02:20.50 | Wyzard | klync: The main benefit is a common API for storing configuration stuff, rather than every program implementing its own rc parser... but it still seems pretty modular to me, as each program defines its own schema which is independent of whatever else is there |
| 02:21.12 | Daveman | klync, when dhclient runs with a leasefile... |
| 02:21.17 | Daveman | or files |
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| 02:22.53 | klync | Daveman: you saying you're not necessarily getting the same IP, even tho it's still available? |
| 02:23.46 | mmiikkee12 | ok, it seems locales isn't even installed |
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| 02:23.56 | mmiikkee12 | and i can't install it |
| 02:24.09 | mmiikkee12 | because i'm afraid to mess with glibc |
| 02:24.24 | Elly | :-\ |
| 02:24.33 | Elly | I need libstdc++-libc.6.2-2.so.3 |
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| 02:24.37 | Elly | according to this program |
| 02:24.39 | Elly | how can I get it? |
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| 02:24.54 | mmiikkee12 | apt-get install libstdc++-libc.6.2-2 ? |
| 02:25.12 | Wyzard | not quite |
| 02:25.28 | Wyzard | libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 is the package which provides that file |
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| 02:25.43 | Wyzard | but it should normally be pulled in automatically as a dependency |
| 02:25.50 | Elly | uhh |
| 02:25.50 | mmiikkee12 | yes, that |
| 02:25.56 | Elly | I didn't install the program that needs it with aptitude |
| 02:25.57 | mmiikkee12 | what program is it? |
| 02:26.00 | Elly | apt has no package for it |
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| 02:26.03 | Wyzard | ok |
| 02:26.03 | Elly | epsxe |
| 02:26.08 | Elly | :D |
| 02:26.14 | mmiikkee12 | never heard of it |
| 02:26.16 | Wyzard | ah |
| 02:26.19 | Elly | it's a PS1 emulator |
| 02:26.22 | Wyzard | I used to use that, before I bought a PS2 |
| 02:26.26 | Elly | I have a PS2 |
| 02:26.32 | Elly | but my brother is hooked up to it |
| 02:26.36 | Elly | intravenously |
| 02:26.40 | Wyzard | lol |
| 02:26.43 | Elly | because he's beating splinter cell |
| 02:26.50 | Elly | so I'm getting an emulator to enjoy some chrono cross |
| 02:26.57 | Wyzard | Good choice of game |
| 02:27.00 | mmiikkee12 | anyone know how to force apt to install something? |
| 02:27.06 | mmiikkee12 | i.e. locales? |
| 02:27.13 | Wyzard | (That was actually the first game I emulated too, and I bought a copy several years before I owned a real Playstation to play it on) |
| 02:27.30 | Wyzard | Elly: You could install snes9x or zsnes and play Chrono Trigger instead... |
| 02:27.39 | Elly | nah |
| 02:27.46 | Elly | I've beaten chrono trigger before |
| 02:27.51 | Elly | and chrono cross too |
| 02:27.53 | Elly | but I play CT quite a bit |
| 02:27.56 | Wyzard | all 12 endings? |
| 02:27.56 | Elly | and CC not very often |
| 02:27.58 | Wyzard | :-P |
| 02:27.58 | Elly | haha no |
| 02:28.01 | Daveman | Elly ;D |
| 02:28.08 | Elly | Davemon :O |
| 02:28.14 | Wyzard | fair enough |
| 02:28.15 | Daveman | ;P |
| 02:28.21 | Daveman | roflepsxe |
| 02:28.29 | Wyzard | I need to replay CC myself sometime, and actually rescue Schala rather than accidentally killing her |
| 02:28.42 | Elly | yeah |
| 02:28.42 | Daveman | :D |
| 02:28.46 | Elly | I just took out the time eater =\ |
| 02:28.52 | Elly | I couldn't pull off the chrono cross |
| 02:28.53 | Daveman | ;) |
| 02:28.53 | Wyzard | but first I need to finish replaying Xenogears, and then Xenosaga, and then Xenosaga 2, plus FFX2 and Kingdom Hearts at some point |
| 02:29.00 | Elly | FFX2 sucks |
| 02:29.03 | Wyzard | so CC will have to wait a while |
| 02:29.03 | Daveman | haha |
| 02:29.14 | Daveman | Wyzard, nice ;) |
| 02:29.25 | Daveman | get crackin'! |
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| 02:29.41 | Wyzard | I've bought most of them already... just need to find time to play them all |
| 02:29.52 | Daveman | :) |
| 02:30.18 | Daveman | yeah like I just wasted 30-45min fucking around with these retarded startup scripts on a box that I could flash in 5sec |
| 02:30.21 | Wyzard | Elly: See, it's sort of an embarrassment, because Schala was my favorite character from CT, and she's also this computer's hostname... |
| 02:30.26 | Daveman | when I should be finishing these drivers :P |
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| 02:31.12 | Wyzard | Elly: Incidentally, does your nick have anything to do with Xenogears? :-) |
| 02:31.18 | Elly | no |
| 02:31.29 | Wyzard | hehe, oh well |
| 02:31.29 | Elly | heh, my hostname is moria |
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| 02:31.55 | Elly | some of my daemons (eggdrop, etc) run as balrog@moria :D |
| 02:32.02 | Elly | sif, Hengband |
| 02:32.10 | klync | useruser: meant to mention earlier... you might be able to fix the tcl/tk fonts with xfs-xtt ... i did that to a machine years ago... |
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| 02:34.57 | Daveman | ROFL |
| 02:35.12 | Daveman | oh man,... dhclient's bullshit never ceases to entertain and amuse me... |
| 02:35.35 | Elly | that's why I use dhcpcd |
| 02:35.49 | Daveman | > "The year is specified with the century, so it should generally be four digits except for really long leases." |
| 02:35.54 | Daveman | Elly, duh :P |
| 02:36.27 | Daveman | so for those "REALLY REALLY LONG" leases... use 5+digit years... :P |
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| 02:36.48 | codin | hi |
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| 02:37.02 | Daveman | dhclient can hardly run stably for a week, let alone several eons :P |
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| 02:37.14 | Daveman | codin: hello |
| 02:37.15 | ludwig | Hallo! |
| 02:37.21 | codin | where can I get java ant package from ? |
| 02:37.32 | Daveman | ask apt? |
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| 02:37.54 | ludwig | I have a question regarding exim4 and the debian-specific configuration (update-exim4.conf.conf) ... |
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| 02:38.27 | codin | Wyzard, what repository do you use ? |
| 02:38.31 | ludwig | I would like to put most of the config in a SQL database, and there is no problem BUT one ... |
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| 02:39.16 | Wyzard | codin: I run unstable, but it's in stable and testing too |
| 02:39.17 | klync | think a 6gb drive from '99 would use udma? |
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| 02:39.26 | Wyzard | codin: It's in contrib in stable though |
| 02:39.33 | ludwig | the parameters in the "update-exim4.conf.conf" file are quoted by single-quote chars, which I need for the SQL-statements also! Debconf only takes the things between the first two single-quotes ... |
| 02:39.50 | ludwig | what can I do? |
| 02:40.00 | mmiikkee12 | is the installed size in apt-cache show in bytes, mb or kb? |
| 02:40.06 | mmiikkee12 | *shown |
| 02:40.13 | efaistos | do u know how to have bigger font in mplayer ? |
| 02:40.22 | Elly | what on earth does one do with a .ccd on Linux? |
| 02:40.25 | klync | ludwig: you can escape them, and there's an option to mysqldump to escape chars like that when dumping |
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| 02:40.40 | mmiikkee12 | Elly: filext.com |
| 02:40.43 | Wyzard | Elly: hehe... that's a bit of a problem :-) |
| 02:40.51 | Elly | I know what it is |
| 02:40.58 | Elly | but how do I make it into something usable |
| 02:40.59 | ludwig | klync: I tried the usual "Backspace-escaping" - with no success |
| 02:41.00 | Elly | like an ISO |
| 02:41.00 | mmiikkee12 | what is it? |
| 02:41.05 | Elly | it's a clonecd image file |
| 02:41.10 | Elly | it comes with a .img and a .sub as well |
| 02:41.28 | mmiikkee12 | use the .img like you would an .iso (i think) |
| 02:41.37 | Elly | you think? hmm |
| 02:41.42 | Wyzard | Elly: Well, the .img file in a CloneCD image set is a concatentation of all the tracks, without subchannels... since CC just has a single data track anyway, the .img is actually a plain iso |
| 02:41.48 | mmiikkee12 | i don't know for sure |
| 02:42.06 | Elly | I'll give it a shot then :D |
| 02:42.29 | klync | ludwig: entity-encode on the way into / out of the db? |
| 02:42.48 | ludwig | klync: beg you pardon? |
| 02:42.50 | Elly | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:42.50 | Elly | Segmentation fault |
| 02:42.51 | Elly | :( |
| 02:42.58 | Daveman | Elly wtf? |
| 02:43.04 | mmiikkee12 | try again |
| 02:43.05 | Elly | I screwed up somewhere |
| 02:43.11 | Daveman | Elly, what are you doing? :P |
| 02:43.27 | Wyzard | That was always the problem with ePSXe -- it was just a bit hackish, and the drivers were quirky |
| 02:43.28 | mmiikkee12 | Elly: run rm -Rf / (j/k) |
| 02:43.38 | Daveman | mmiikkee12, shoo |
| 02:43.40 | Elly | I'm not THAT much of a n00b, mmiikkee12 |
| 02:43.44 | mmiikkee12 | :P |
| 02:43.45 | Elly | Daveman, emulating |
| 02:43.50 | Daveman | Wyzard, it was, crap, unfortunately :( |
| 02:43.51 | Daveman | so yeah |
| 02:44.05 | Daveman | PeopsSDL? |
| 02:44.08 | Daveman | ah |
| 02:44.10 | Wyzard | Daveman: No, Bleem was the real crap emulator :-) |
| 02:44.13 | Daveman | ROFL |
| 02:44.14 | mmiikkee12 | wow. |
| 02:44.16 | Daveman | :P |
| 02:44.20 | ludwig | klync: Actually, I need to have such a string: ${lookup pgsql {select domain from exim_domains where local=true and domain='$domain'}} |
| 02:44.22 | Daveman | true... true.. ;) |
| 02:44.34 | mmiikkee12 | i just did a dist-upgrade and everything was up to date :) |
| 02:44.37 | Daveman | eww, pg has cooties! -- get it away :P |
| 02:44.52 | ludwig | klync: the statement is not the problem, problem is to put this string into the config-file debconf parses |
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| 02:45.40 | mmiikkee12 | what happens when you reinstall win98 in 2002 :P |
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| 02:45.51 | elpibe_2078 | weenas |
| 02:46.01 | Daveman | your brain explodes; done; next! |
| 02:46.04 | Elly | well, a different BIOS didn't help |
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| 02:46.16 | Daveman | Elly? |
| 02:46.31 | klync | ludwig: right, and whatever lang you're using to do this i'm saying (to pseudocode...) debconf.write(domain) = encode(db.selectDomain); |
| 02:46.37 | corp-mule | is there a way to move a window without right clicking on the title bar? |
| 02:46.41 | Wyzard | Elly: scph1001.bin is the one I always used |
| 02:46.47 | corp-mule | the title bar is off of the screen :) |
| 02:46.48 | klync | ludwig: err, that'd be *decode* for coming out of the db |
| 02:46.51 | HaoQian | china |
| 02:46.54 | klync | use xmlentities or something |
| 02:47.04 | corp-mule | some key stroke maybe? |
| 02:47.05 | HaoQian | where are you china |
| 02:47.05 | Wyzard | Elly: I only used the Windows version though |
| 02:47.10 | klync | ludwig: or ask in #postgres ;) |
| 02:47.36 | ludwig | klync: sorry, I am not new neither to linux itself nor to debian, but the problem is debconf! |
| 02:48.38 | klync | ludwig: iirc, your problem is storing single quotes in a db, and extracting from the db into *any* file |
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| 02:49.03 | ludwig | klync: it is NOT a database-problem, as the connection works. It is the problem the new exim4-debian-maintainer-policy is somewhat "strange" making on each restart a new config ... |
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| 02:50.19 | ludwig | klync: so, I have a plain textfile with all kind of variables and parameters which is parsed at each restart (at least) and which content is used to make a runtime-config exim then uses ... |
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| 02:50.55 | Elly | rock on, 3.8fps |
| 02:50.56 | Terr1[SUN | I got a debian 3.1 sarge r0 cd, they removed the rescue root= option? says it cant fint kernel image? |
| 02:51.10 | ludwig | And my problem is not to get single-quotes out of the SQL database, but to get single-quotes into the SQL query debconf has to read of the file |
| 02:51.18 | klync | ludwig: i don't really use exim much, but isn't that configurable? i.e. you can turn that off? |
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| 02:51.51 | ludwig | klync: Exim is configurable, and my problem is not Exim itself. |
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| 02:52.38 | ludwig | klync: Normally you have one static configfile (maybe with references to some SQL database) you edit from time to time ... |
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| 02:53.49 | ludwig | klync: the exim4 maintainer of Debian decided that were too easy and changed the package to make a new configuration-file out of some templates at each reboot (or at each invocation of "update-exim4.conf") ... |
| 02:54.58 | ludwig | klync: that "update-exim4.conf" has a config-file itself "update-exim.conf.conf" where you can set up very very central and important things - like local domains or relay domains ... |
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| 02:56.18 | ludwig | klync: this is done by statements like (in my case): "dc_other_hosts = '${lookup pgsql {select domain from exim_domains where local=true and domain='$domain';}}' |
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| 02:56.58 | klync | i see what you mean, but i think if you map it out on paper, as a problem with character conversion between differnt data sources, you'll figure it out easily |
| 02:57.11 | ludwig | klync: that update-exim4.conf takes only the string between the first two single-quotes ... |
| 02:57.41 | ludwig | klync: well, I tried to quote the center single-quotes: ' -> \' with no success |
| 02:57.58 | ludwig | klync: maybe You know how to quote the quotes? (sounds funny, I know) |
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| 03:00.19 | Rawplayer | is it normale that bzip2 -9 on a dir of 400mb with wma movies can take about 10minutes? |
| 03:00.27 | klync | ludwig: ok, so you're going from .conf.conf->db ->.conf, right? |
| 03:02.02 | ludwig | klync: no, I am going from file "update-exim4.conf.conf" -> (parser "udpate-exim4.conf") -> file "/var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated" |
| 03:02.03 | guk | Okay ... I setup radvd to broadcast ipv6 address's around the network ... my windows machine works fine with ipv6 able to ping and everything yet my linux machine does not work any ping6's gives me connect: Network is unreachable |
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| 03:02.27 | guk | the ipv6 module is running and eth0 shows ipv6 address |
| 03:02.50 | guk | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:02.50 | guk | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:02.57 | guk | but it just doesn't work |
| 03:02.58 | ludwig | klync: and my problem is a quote problem, I do not know how to solve |
| 03:04.02 | ludwig | klync: because the parser (named "update-exim4.conf") takes every quoted thing as a statement, but I need these quotes WITHIN the statement itself! |
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| 03:04.43 | ludwig | klync: I need a line like "select domain from exim_domains where domain='mydomain'" (look at the single quotes) ... |
| 03:05.48 | ludwig | klync: this line has to be put in a configfile in this form: "dc_config_param= 'select domain from exim_domains where domain='mydomain''" |
| 03:06.05 | klync | ludwig: i see what you mean |
| 03:06.48 | bob2 | cheal: it's not in testing |
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| 03:07.27 | cheal | bob2: I suppose you're not talking to me :) |
| 03:07.50 | Nerve | anyone here use anjuta? if so how do you specify project dependant compiler flags? |
| 03:08.19 | shastry | what filesystem is recommended for a normal desktop install ? |
| 03:08.22 | shastry | resier or ext3 ? |
| 03:08.43 | Nerve | either or is decent |
| 03:08.56 | Nerve | if its just a normal desktop it won't make too much of a difference |
| 03:09.02 | Paivakil | shastry: you in India? |
| 03:09.13 | shastry | well... its a gaming and multimeda desktop |
| 03:09.16 | shastry | Paivakil, yes :P |
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| 03:09.29 | Paivakil | if so, I suggest ext3; burnt by fingers using reiser - with all the power flucations |
| 03:09.38 | Paivakil | fs got corrupted |
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| 03:10.18 | shastry | Paivakil, :o |
| 03:10.32 | shastry | what about performance? i think reiser is faster than ext ? |
| 03:10.38 | Nerve | ... |
| 03:10.46 | dabaR | you wont notice, he said. |
| 03:10.50 | bob2 | cheal: re: lyx |
| 03:10.54 | Nerve | its not going to slow down your disks |
| 03:11.04 | shastry | ok :D |
| 03:11.25 | Nerve | i didn't realize that people actually used linux for intensive gaming |
| 03:11.25 | shastry | Paivakil, i have a UPS |
| 03:12.16 | cheal | bob2: hum, I don'T have any problem with lyx, but if I was involved in a discussion about it over 12 hours ago, I don't remember :) |
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| 03:13.39 | shastry | Nerve, heh quake3 , rtcw, ut2004 ... and lots and lots more |
| 03:13.46 | bob2 | cheal: hah, ok |
| 03:14.03 | TriKster-Abacus | I play all my games in Linux |
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| 03:14.31 | ZeroXp | holas |
| 03:14.39 | Nerve | shastry, yea i was just at tuxgamer they have alpha centauri back in stock |
| 03:14.43 | ZeroXp | espanol.? |
| 03:14.44 | Nerve | exciting. |
| 03:14.48 | dabaR | !es |
| 03:14.48 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 03:15.13 | shastry | Nerve, hehe i got no money.. broke XD |
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| 03:17.19 | Nerve | shastry, you pirate ;) |
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| 03:17.43 | Nerve | nor I- i just spend all my life on MUDs / programming |
| 03:17.44 | Terr1[SUN | Has the rescue image been removed from debian 3.1? |
| 03:17.51 | shastry | hehe |
| 03:18.15 | Green-x | hi, I need a kernel.config for a notebook HP zx5369cl |
| 03:18.56 | Nerve | config it your self? |
| 03:19.31 | dondelelcaro | Terr1[SUN: you don't need one; just boot using the installer; mount the disk; chroot; and fix what needs to be fixed. |
| 03:19.34 | Green-x | I try a lot, but it dosnt work!! |
| 03:20.04 | Paivakil | shastry: even I have - wipro at that; and reiser was not extremely picky; even a system freeze (x was unstable at that time) corrupted the fs; dunno why |
| 03:20.05 | Nerve | what doesn't work? |
| 03:20.06 | Terr1[SUN | dondelelcaro, well the other is just easier |
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| 03:20.31 | shastry | Paivakil, weird .. i have been using reiser for over a year on my arch box |
| 03:21.06 | Nerve | yea reiser works better for me interms of corruption - but i dont my power fsking things up |
| 03:21.08 | Paivakil | then, probably, I was unfortunate to have an unstable version reiser?? |
| 03:21.10 | Green-x | well, i try to cofigure many times, but when i try to start it, well, dont work, I mean, its stops and do nothing |
| 03:21.23 | dondelelcaro | Terr1[SUN: not really, and this is far more flexible. |
| 03:21.33 | Tortel | I hope I can learn GIMP as easy as photoshop |
| 03:21.46 | Nerve | Green-x, you're goin to have to have better debug statements :P |
| 03:21.48 | Terr1[SUN | dondelelcaro, well its alot less user friendly, if you just need to fix a new mbr |
| 03:21.57 | klync | ludwig: okay, here's the thing, whatever is parsing that file, and reading what's in the ="", needs to expect the single quotes to be escaped or encoded, and needs to decode them before passign the statement as a query... so that "select domain from exim_conf where host='bar'" is decoded then queried |
| 03:22.01 | apa | if i have 3 computors on my LAN, one is a router/server that is connected to the internet, and the router/server is running dnsmasq as dhcpserver and dnsnameresolver, now tell me will i need to use route? and my second question is to secure this lan now should i create a iptables script on the router(ONLY)? |
| 03:22.09 | Terr1[SUN | dondelelcaro, but ill just make my own image then 8) |
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| 03:22.34 | dondelelcaro | Terr1[SUN: ? it's like 6 commands... boot, F2; mkdir /tmpmount; mount /dev/hda1 /tmpmount; chroot tmpmount; mount -a; lilo -v -v; |
| 03:22.37 | Green-x | sorry, but i don;t speak english =( |
| 03:22.39 | corp-mule | what is utuntu? |
| 03:22.46 | apa | ubuntu |
| 03:22.47 | dondelelcaro | corp-mule: ask in #ubuntu |
| 03:22.49 | Paivakil | apa: read the networking HOWTO on tldp.org |
| 03:22.51 | Terr1[SUN | contra rescue root=.. bing working ;-) |
| 03:23.13 | dondelelcaro | Terr1[SUN: right, but that assumes that your root device is actually workable. |
| 03:23.21 | apa | Paivakil: i have |
| 03:23.28 | dondelelcaro | Terr1[SUN: you can pass a root option to the installer of course... |
| 03:23.37 | apa | this is what i dident understand so i am here asking for help from my community |
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| 03:23.52 | corp-mule | sigh |
| 03:24.28 | Paivakil | apa: hmm.. in that case, you need a good sysadmin |
| 03:24.38 | Terr1[SUN | dondelelcaro, yeah just seems weird for me since the other way is alot more user friendly for newbies.. since alot of ppl get their mbr overwritten.. and that image is like 1MB or so but whatever .. was just wondering 8) |
| 03:24.50 | TriKster-Abacus | ubuntu is a distro that uses some of the features that Debian does, but it does not compare to debian, as and since this is a #debian channel, we all of course believe Debian is the better choice between the 2 |
| 03:24.53 | apa | Paivakil: dont be like that |
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| 03:25.21 | Nerve | Green-x, http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/hp.html try that |
| 03:25.26 | dondelelcaro | apa: if you've got the router set up on the server, and have it serving dhcpd appropriately, then you don't need to muck with route on the client computers. |
| 03:25.40 | Nerve | Green-x, also try http://www.hep.phys.soton.ac.uk/~jhe/doc/linux-hp-zx5030EA.html |
| 03:25.48 | Nerve | good luck |
| 03:26.02 | dondelelcaro | Paivakil: if you're not going to help people, just don't bother to respond, please. |
| 03:26.04 | Paivakil | apa have you read the Security HOWTO for firwall; and ... |
| 03:26.12 | Green-x | Nerve, thanks |
| 03:26.49 | Paivakil | apa google for NAT |
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| 03:28.13 | houman_zhu | hello there, during boot i get some messages regarding a failed module "yenta_socket" but i cant find the same message in dmesg, shouldnt all boot mesages by in the dmesg? |
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| 03:30.08 | houman_zhu | why is there no user supprt for debian? no one in the channel and the forums are almost unused in cmoparison with ubuntu an dgentoo forums, am i the only person using debian? |
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| 03:30.22 | dabaR | no |
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| 03:31.02 | dabaR | houman_zhu: give it a few seconds, and not all questions are answerable, #debian has generally more knowledge than #ubuntu |
| 03:31.02 | houman_zhu | well im beginning to think i should go back to debian, this certainly is not a distro for a n00n |
| 03:31.20 | TriKster-Abacus | you are in debian |
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| 03:31.32 | houman_zhu | oh i mean go back to ubuntu |
| 03:31.44 | dabaR | well, whatever suits you better... |
| 03:31.55 | TriKster-Abacus | just google yenta socket |
| 03:32.04 | houman_zhu | i dont even know why i switched to debian, my ubuntu was working fine, just cuz ubuntu is new my friends said its not a "real" distro and all |
| 03:32.07 | dabaR | I dont see your message being answered in #ubuntu either. |
| 03:32.08 | TriKster-Abacus | It is probably nothing, or a module trying to load that isn't needed |
| 03:32.14 | TriKster-Abacus | IIRC it is a networking module |
| 03:32.17 | tsv | re ppl |
| 03:32.23 | tsv | i have a problem |
| 03:32.34 | TriKster-Abacus | google, then ask |
| 03:32.51 | tsv | i know |
| 03:33.01 | tsv | google aske'd first :) |
| 03:33.08 | TriKster-Abacus | http://www.google.com/linux?hl=en&lr=&q=dmesg+%2B+yenta+socket&btnG=Search |
| 03:33.16 | houman_zhu | no i dont care about the yenta socket its just that i see a message at boot that i cant find in dmesg when i do dmesg | grep yenta and i looked at it all over , i thoguth boot messages get written to dmesg so this is bizarre |
| 03:33.20 | TriKster-Abacus | not you tsv |
| 03:33.32 | tsv | well i have a machine with debian testing and want to downgrade to stable |
| 03:33.36 | tsv | but |
| 03:33.38 | TriKster-Abacus | testing is fine |
| 03:33.44 | tsv | kde is broken |
| 03:33.47 | tsv | on testing |
| 03:33.51 | houman_zhu | TriKster-Abacus: yenta_socket is not my primary concern, the problem is i cant see my boot messag in dmesg, how do i google that :S |
| 03:33.55 | tsv | and other pakages |
| 03:33.55 | bumpsh3r | yenta socket is for pcmcia cardbus |
| 03:33.56 | TriKster-Abacus | if you do an expert intall, it notes that testing is the middle .. .and does just fine |
| 03:34.12 | TriKster-Abacus | what boot message are you looking for particularly? |
| 03:34.26 | TriKster-Abacus | there ya go, take out pcmcia support in the kernel |
| 03:34.37 | TriKster-Abacus | but I don't quite understand what exactly your question is then |
| 03:34.46 | tsv | so i replaced testing to sarge in sources.list run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade and nothing |
| 03:35.03 | houman_zhu | i know how to get rid of yenta socket i enabled it by acident when i was configing my kernel , im just puzlled as to why i dont get the mesage in dmesg, |
| 03:35.05 | TriKster-Abacus | tsv, that is cuz testing is newer then stable so it wont "downgrade" |
| 03:35.15 | eps | what is 3d acceleration like on d Intel Graphics Media Accelerator ..or that extreme rubbish, does it exist? |
| 03:35.27 | bumpsh3r | are you on a laptop houman? |
| 03:35.42 | houman_zhu | yes |
| 03:35.49 | tsv | TriKster-Abacus, so ? i place to preferences and apt.conf default release sarge... same |
| 03:35.50 | houman_zhu | otherwise i wouldnt have a pcmcia module |
| 03:35.55 | bumpsh3r | does your laptop use a yenta socket? |
| 03:36.19 | TriKster-Abacus | dunno then tsv .. off to play Guild Wars, Linux style |
| 03:36.19 | houman_zhu | no, it doesnt, im gonna take it out, im just asking why the message that i see during boot doesnt exist in dmesg |
| 03:36.25 | tsv | sorry for my english :) |
| 03:36.31 | bumpsh3r | rather than grep run dmesg|more and manually look down through to see what type of cardbus you have |
| 03:36.53 | cheal | !tell tsv about downgrade |
| 03:36.55 | bumpsh3r | it's probably not there because it's not a yenta compatable socket |
| 03:37.02 | houman_zhu | bumpsh3r: i opened it with gedit an searched, still nothing, and there are several other messages that i see during boot but dont exist when i do dmesg |
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| 03:37.33 | bumpsh3r | maybe you should look through your bootlog |
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| 03:37.41 | TriKster-Abacus | /var/log/messages? |
| 03:37.55 | tsv | cheal, ok :) 10x |
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| 03:38.01 | houman_zhu | i dunno when i was compiling my kernel i didnt use a --initrd and i didnt even do makeinitrd cuz i enabled scsi and ide support in the kernel i dunno could that be the reason? |
| 03:38.02 | TriKster-Abacus | dmesg only shows hardware info and stuff.. you probably wont get error information in dmesg IIRC |
| 03:38.07 | cheal | eps: what do you mean by "d Intel"? |
| 03:38.11 | TriKster-Abacus | dmesg will like show if you plug in a usb device |
| 03:38.18 | TriKster-Abacus | or plug in a pcmcia card |
| 03:38.19 | bumpsh3r | possibly |
| 03:38.21 | houman_zhu | ok so where is the booot messages? |
| 03:38.22 | Schiz0 | I found that I'm trying to kill, it doesn't give a error, but it never goes away |
| 03:38.29 | Schiz0 | Anyone know how I can kill it/ |
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| 03:38.35 | cheal | tsv: KDE is not broken in testing |
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| 03:38.45 | bumpsh3r | have to let a debian vet take over from there, I was just answering of general linux experience |
| 03:38.48 | TriKster-Abacus | I am using testing/unstable and kde works just fine |
| 03:38.57 | tsv | cheal, try metapackage |
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| 03:39.01 | bumpsh3r | off* |
| 03:39.08 | houman_zhu | TriKster-Abacus: where are those boot messages then? |
| 03:39.11 | cheal | tsv: the meta package doesn't matter |
| 03:39.29 | tsv | and k3b/anarok and etc dont want to install on my machine |
| 03:39.35 | houman_zhu | how do i search a text file? echo /var/log/messages | grep yenta? i dont thkn thats right, can anyone tell me ?:( |
| 03:39.38 | tsv | something like broken package |
| 03:39.45 | TriKster-Abacus | ok, well for the boot messages, you can use "Shift + page up" and it might show you the error and give you more information |
| 03:39.47 | cheal | tsv: they're not in testing |
| 03:40.02 | TriKster-Abacus | tsv, I have a great sources.list that might fixt that |
| 03:40.04 | TriKster-Abacus | hold on |
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| 03:40.08 | tsv | ok |
| 03:40.12 | tsv | thanks ;) |
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| 03:40.40 | jkern | houman_zhu, see and edit /etc/default/bootlogd |
| 03:40.54 | Schiz0 | I killed a process via it's pid number as root....it doesn't give any errors, but when I run a ps -A..it's still there...with the same pid number...anyone know how I can kill this? |
| 03:41.16 | cheal | Schiz0: killed with which signal? |
| 03:41.16 | tsv | Schiz0, try killall -9 name of programm |
| 03:41.18 | windowlicker | killall pid? |
| 03:41.19 | dondelelcaro | Schiz0: what state is the process in? did you use kill -9? |
| 03:41.30 | bumpsh3r | use cat to sift through a textfile houman |
| 03:41.35 | Schiz0 | cheal- I used kill <pid no.> |
| 03:41.43 | Schiz0 | no I didn't kill -9 |
| 03:41.50 | bob2 | Schiz0: why are you trying to kill it? |
| 03:41.53 | tsv | Schiz0, look kill -l |
| 03:41.58 | bob2 | Schiz0: bear in mind not all processes are killable |
| 03:42.05 | mlewis00 | Could someone who is running testing or unstable tell me if their bootlogd works if loaded immediately after udev (the default installation run order)? On my Sarge system it will not function until after /etc/rcS.d/S11checkroot.sh is run...this causes all of the disk checking done by this script to be left out of /var/log/boot...Thanks! |
| 03:42.06 | bumpsh3r | houman_zhu: cat parses a textfile houman cat <file> |grep <string you're looking for> |
| 03:42.14 | Schiz0 | because I don't wnat it running..I'm setting up irc services, and there was a error, and the proc is still running |
| 03:42.16 | cheal | Schiz0: that will only send a SIGTERM. "real" kill needs a SIGKILL |
| 03:42.18 | houman_zhu | jkern: huh i see, so if i enable BOOTLOGD_ENABLE will it write the messages somewhere? |
| 03:42.23 | eps | cheal d was a mistype |
| 03:42.28 | Schiz0 | -9 gives it the sigkill? |
| 03:42.47 | houman_zhu | bumpsh3r: thank you :) |
| 03:42.47 | cheal | yes |
| 03:42.58 | bob2 | Schiz0: uh, then using the init script would be the correct solutio |
| 03:42.59 | jkern | houman_zhu, /var/log/boot |
| 03:43.07 | Schiz0 | bob2- There is no init script for this |
| 03:43.11 | Schiz0 | I installed itfrom source |
| 03:43.13 | Schiz0 | no package for it |
| 03:43.25 | houman_zhu | jkern: thank you very much, youre a life saver, i wouldnt even know how i could use google to find that out |
| 03:43.35 | bumpsh3r | UFC fight starting, bbl |
| 03:43.50 | Schiz0 | kill -9 worked, Thanks guys! |
| 03:44.03 | jkern | houman_zhu, look in /etc/init.d/bootlogd |
| 03:44.06 | TriKster-Abacus | tsv, see PM |
| 03:44.26 | tsv | TriKster-Abacus, 10x i will try :) |
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| 03:44.34 | TriKster-Abacus | k |
| 03:44.45 | TriKster-Abacus | that was the best debian repo list I ever seen |
| 03:44.51 | bob2 | ugh |
| 03:44.58 | TriKster-Abacus | everything worked, mplayer ... kde, k3b.. kernel 2.6.14 |
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| 03:45.10 | bob2 | anyone using the phrase "debian repos list" is going to have a broken system |
| 03:45.12 | coyote_ | hola |
| 03:45.16 | tsv | 2.6.14 i have :) |
| 03:45.28 | TriKster-Abacus | bob2, my system is fine |
| 03:45.28 | tsv | builded with gcc 4 |
| 03:45.41 | TriKster-Abacus | 3 of my systems are fine actually |
| 03:46.04 | TriKster-Abacus | 8P |
| 03:46.16 | tsv | yea :) i know :) |
| 03:46.21 | K_Dallas | would installing gcc4.0 cause problems compiling certain packages or it is fairly safe now with sarge? thanks |
| 03:46.35 | tsv | maybe |
| 03:46.41 | Lanix | i have install debian with a net install , how do i fix the mbr using that cd i hace tryes the mount option but no luck it keeps saing it does not exist ? |
| 03:46.43 | TriKster-Abacus | 10part? |
| 03:46.56 | dabaR | 3 out of 10 |
| 03:46.57 | houman_zhu | oh while im here,. i tried installing mplayer and win32 codec but apt-get cant find it, also i enabled scsi and msss storage in my kernel but my usb drive doesnt get mounted, i think there is a gnome-something-manager that automounts a usb drive, but its not happening in my sarge |
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| 03:47.31 | TriKster-Abacus | you need the marillat or what not repo for mplayer |
| 03:47.32 | tsv | houman_zhu, mplayer are not on debian official repository |
| 03:47.36 | syntaxis | !tell houman_zhu about marillat |
| 03:47.39 | dabaR | houman_zhu: what is mplayer and w32codecs got to do with scsi and mass storage and gnome-volume-manager? |
| 03:47.53 | houman_zhu | i tried to be a smart ass and ask 2 questions in 1, sorry |
| 03:47.55 | TriKster-Abacus | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main |
| 03:48.20 | tsv | houman_zhu, on generik debian kernel u need to load usb-storage |
| 03:48.21 | houman_zhu | thanks guys all add marillat :) |
| 03:48.37 | tsv | houman_zhu, and u need to install udev or maybe hotplug |
| 03:48.44 | tsv | on 2.6.14 only udev |
| 03:48.45 | TriKster-Abacus | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:48.53 | houman_zhu | tsv: i enabled everything to do with usb , i followed the gentoo guide for enabling mass storage in kernel :) |
| 03:49.01 | tsv | :))) |
| 03:49.03 | houman_zhu | tsv: i have both |
| 03:49.05 | TriKster-Abacus | I just use the deb kernel and everything works fine |
| 03:49.13 | Guerin | TriKster-Abacus: don't tell people to use unstable or experimental unless you are prepared to give them exclusive support |
| 03:49.16 | TriKster-Abacus | there is a deb for 2.6.13 nd 14 |
| 03:49.47 | TriKster-Abacus | Guerin, if you read what I wrote, you would have seen I said "if you feel frisky" |
| 03:49.48 | houman_zhu | TriKster-Abacus: i would have loved it if th ebinaries would have worked but there is a problem with my sata drive, so everyone with my laptop has had to compile a kernel, i found all this on linux-laptop website thingie |
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| 03:49.54 | TriKster-Abacus | I didnt tell anyone to use those!!!!!! |
| 03:50.06 | Tortel | Goodnight |
| 03:50.13 | TriKster-Abacus | ya, that laptop site is pretty good, I didnt think of it |
| 03:51.08 | houman_zhu | so now i got th elatest kernel 2.6.14 :) and everything works although some modules fail at load and i have no wireless and i get a message when loggin in to gnome that desktop applet and some other applets crashed, but it works :) |
| 03:51.10 | TriKster-Abacus | well I had a few issues with the .deb 2.6.14, so I just stuck with 2.6.13 |
| 03:51.20 | TriKster-Abacus | I wouldnt mess with 2.6.14 |
| 03:51.23 | Guerin | TriKster-Abacus: I read what you wrote, and my point stands. Just don't. |
| 03:51.26 | houman_zhu | there is no deb 2.6.14 |
| 03:51.28 | TriKster-Abacus | whatever Guerin |
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| 03:51.37 | Guerin | !whatever |
| 03:51.37 | dpkg | whatever is probably the last word of the loser of an argument |
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| 03:52.14 | TriKster-Abacus | smart ass |
| 03:52.24 | houman_zhu | come on guys be nice, if youre talking about marillat i am gonna use it willingly, and a user comment in the forum doesnt constitute an official statements, users have to read coments and use their own judgement, so dont bash the poor fella he is just trying to help |
| 03:52.28 | Guerin | dumb ass |
| 03:52.32 | TriKster-Abacus | i aint trying to start a war, so don't insult me with your sissy fit |
| 03:52.57 | TriKster-Abacus | I used marillat and mplayer works great |
| 03:53.06 | TriKster-Abacus | I have a debian mplayer howto |
| 03:53.07 | guk | Okay ... I got radvd on my router setup and running and the ipv6 all running on my router ... my windows machines have no problem connecting to the 6bone using the conf sent from the program ... how would I configure my linux machine so it would also autodetect the settings. radvd is running and my eth0 shows ipv6 address's ... but the 6bone is still "unreachable" on it |
| 03:53.15 | Guerin | TriKster-Abacus: i'm not insulting you, or getting pissy. Them's the rules. You didn't appear to be familiar with them. Now you are. |
| 03:53.27 | TriKster-Abacus | http://www.princessleia.com/MPlayer.php |
| 03:53.36 | TriKster-Abacus | just don't do the mplayer part, get mplayer from marillat |
| 03:53.44 | TriKster-Abacus | but get all the codecs named on that site |
| 03:53.53 | houman_zhu | i feel everyone here is a teenager? am i right? this kinda behaviour is not something id see in my office, i thin im too old to use linux, haha |
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| 03:54.36 | houman_zhu | im referring to the flame wars and the harsh comment: rtfa and Guerin's telling you to watch out and all |
| 03:54.36 | Guerin | houman_zhu: well, it IS sunday. |
| 03:54.51 | houman_zhu | but serously, can i ask how old are you guys? liek anyone? |
| 03:54.55 | mtnman | guerin: that depends on your time zone |
| 03:54.57 | TriKster-Abacus | also, it tells you to make a /usr/lib/win32 directory, when you tar -xzvf the codecs they go into /usr/lib/win32/win32, just mv them up one directory, i guess you could just tar -xzvf the codec package in /usr/lib but I don't trust that.. in case it opens a can of worms |
| 03:55.08 | Wyzard | houman_zhu: I'm 23, FWIW |
| 03:55.08 | houman_zhu | i just wanna know whats the average age of the debian use base, just get a feel yo uknow |
| 03:55.16 | TriKster-Abacus | I am 35 actually |
| 03:55.17 | dabaR | houman_zhu: no, its not harsh comments, just facts, and people do not have time to sugar coat it for you. the reaction to the fact was childish, though... |
| 03:55.18 | Guerin | mtnman: it's always sunday somewhere. |
| 03:55.32 | Terr1[SUN | How is it I mount a drive during the debian-installer in another console? The drive is located under /dev/ide/bus0/target1/disc, but I cant mount this device directly? using mount drive.. ? |
| 03:55.37 | mtnman | guerin: not sure what that means |
| 03:55.51 | Guerin | mtnman: sunday is a state of mind. |
| 03:55.58 | mtnman | guerin: if you say so |
| 03:56.00 | Guerin | excuse me while i get philosophical |
| 03:56.04 | houman_zhu | dabaR: well you dont see people liek that act in real life, at least peope not around, they would say : please read the faq regarding this and that .. i believe this could create problem for ... you know |
| 03:56.25 | TriKster-Abacus | I jus try to help... |
| 03:56.37 | dabaR | there is no time to write please + that gives people carpal tunnel. |
| 03:56.38 | Guerin | houman_zhu: people in real life also just don't ask random idiots for help |
| 03:57.07 | houman_zhu | TriKster-Abacus: i know you did, and thanks :) i know marillat is not an official repo, just liek i used some weird link to get my xorg, i dont mind using experimental stuff, |
| 03:57.08 | Guerin | look, you pair are making too big a deal out of this. |
| 03:57.11 | mtnman | houman_zhu: people in life have a range of reactions. you have described one reaction which you find desirable. |
| 03:57.13 | TriKster-Abacus | why do you persist to insult people Guerin ? got a penis issue? |
| 03:57.25 | Guerin | TriKster-Abacus: where did I insult anyone? |
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| 03:57.41 | houman_zhu | Guerin: no no im not blaming or anything, i rarely come to the forums im just curious , ill shut up if im annoying you , i was just asking around |
| 03:58.06 | dabaR | houman_zhu: that is why that seems harsh, cause you dont understand the netiquette here. |
| 03:58.25 | TriKster-Abacus | if you get those win32 codecs and the quicktime codecs, mplayer will work just fine |
| 03:58.33 | TriKster-Abacus | with the marillat repo |
| 03:58.41 | houman_zhu | dabaR: right and thats why i was inquiring , just to get familiar with the mindset, i didnt know if the harsh comments are due to the users' young age or its just how people are in the forums or.... |
| 03:58.50 | Guerin | marillat has w32codecs already |
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| 03:59.14 | TriKster-Abacus | I didn't know, as I had a previous install from that howto so I already had the codecs |
| 03:59.32 | houman_zhu | ok here is anothe question that is bound to tick people off: why would you use a distro that wouldnt have mplayer in its official repos :| thats liek the best program |
| 03:59.34 | Dylan274 | hey does anyone know how to dowload vdrft? |
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| 03:59.41 | syntaxis | houman_zhu: there are wankers in any community, and they tend to be among the most vocal - Debian has a ginormous community, hence a large number of undesirables as well |
| 03:59.42 | mina_linux_Tux | hi, i'm in my way to start selecting an orphaned package or one that requires adoption to maintain it , but i don't know what if there are other just as good solutions out there than this package , why it's there for adoption ? |
| 03:59.44 | Guerin | houman_zhu: that's just a troll. |
| 03:59.51 | Guerin | houman_zhu: now who's being childish? |
| 04:00.12 | TriKster-Abacus | well there is xine, totem, vlc IIRC |
| 04:00.17 | mina_linux_Tux | and sorry if it's not the place to ask this question but i tried debian-devel no answer me |
| 04:00.18 | Wyzard | houman_zhu: because mplayer is legally dubious and Debian doesn't want to break laws |
| 04:00.18 | houman_zhu | Guerin: what did i say :| im not a troll |
| 04:00.21 | dabaR | houman_zhu: its a legal issue. mplayer is in legal troubles. |
| 04:00.30 | mtnman | houman_zhu: taking polls in the channel is frowned upon. |
| 04:00.30 | houman_zhu | but ubuntu has it |
| 04:00.42 | dabaR | houman_zhu: so does debian |
| 04:00.49 | houman_zhu | mtnman: oh ok, sorry |
| 04:00.55 | dabaR | houman_zhu: ubuntu in multiverse, debian in marillat |
| 04:00.58 | Wyzard | houman_zhu: Ubuntu also has plenty of money with which to defend itself in court if necessary |
| 04:01.12 | houman_zhu | dabaR: debian has it in an unoffial repo, that marriat thing right? |
| 04:01.13 | Wyzard | houman_zhu: Debian is a volunteer project; Ubuntu is a company |
| 04:01.14 | Guerin | in my experience, xine, mplayer and vlc all have their strengths - i have come acrosss some files which each plays better than any other - vlc handles mp4-container h264; xine handles wmv/asf; mplayer handles most anything else best. |
| 04:01.21 | syntaxis | mina_linux_Tux: orphaned packages are removed from the archive after a suitable period of time |
| 04:01.25 | dabaR | houman_zhu: no more unofficial than multiverse really. |
| 04:01.29 | typewriter | in iptables... which has precedent if two rules one blocks and the next line it accepts? |
| 04:01.37 | dabaR | houman_zhu: that is irrelevant completely however. |
| 04:01.51 | houman_zhu | dabaR: oh ok i got it, so their mplayer is unoffical too, |
| 04:02.01 | Guerin | typewriter: the latter takes precedence. |
| 04:02.18 | Guerin | typewriter: iptables rules are run sequentially. |
| 04:02.26 | cheal | Guerin: xine for wmv? xine only supports WMV1 |
| 04:02.41 | dabaR | and no sound usually. |
| 04:02.42 | Wyzard | Guerin: Wouldn't it be the first? |
| 04:02.47 | Guerin | cheal: not for me. |
| 04:02.58 | syntaxis | houman_zhu: mplayer is currently in Debian's NEW queue - whether the FTPmasters will allow it to enter the archive is an open question |
| 04:03.00 | cheal | Guerin: are you using w32codecs? |
| 04:03.03 | Guerin | Wyzard: because the second rule would override it. |
| 04:03.04 | houman_zhu | dabaR: ok i think whats illegal about mplayer is soem decoding schemes in their source code, so wouldnt it be lagal if debian say just distributed the binaries? i mean windows media player is legal |
| 04:03.06 | Guerin | cheal: yes. |
| 04:03.06 | Wyzard | Guerin: Both rules would go into the table, but packets are checked against the rules in ascending order |
| 04:03.26 | Wyzard | Guerin: If the first rule rejects the packet, the second one is never even checked |
| 04:03.32 | km | Question: Where in the hell are the source packages for 2.6 kernels? I'm not seeing them in synaptic or with apt-get. Am I missing a line in sources.list? |
| 04:03.35 | Guerin | Wyzard: huh, really/ |
| 04:03.46 | houman_zhu | syntaxis: well i know there are a lot of legal stuff sorrounding mplayer, i dont think the debian developers would risk a law suit |
| 04:03.46 | Wyzard | Guerin: I'm pretty sure of that |
| 04:03.48 | TriKster-Abacus | km, ya |
| 04:03.54 | cheal | km: which release? |
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| 04:04.03 | TriKster-Abacus | cuz like you need the source for compiling the nvidia-source |
| 04:04.03 | Guerin | Wyzard: ok. I was pretty sure it was the other way, but I'm currently too lazy to check. |
| 04:04.06 | mina_linux_Tux | syntaxis: ok and what if i'm talking about packages available for adoption and there is more useful solutions , just i want to ask if i'll select a package available for adoption and maintain it , it'll be useful for the new debian ? |
| 04:04.09 | Wyzard | houman_zhu: The same "decoding schemes" would be in the compiled binaries |
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| 04:04.11 | syntaxis | houman_zhu: then why are you asking the question? Search the list archives - the mplayer issue has been discussed to death already |
| 04:04.14 | km | release sid |
| 04:04.24 | Wyzard | houman_zhu: and distributing binary-only packages is against Debian's policy anyway |
| 04:04.36 | TriKster-Abacus | 42 |
| 04:04.45 | houman_zhu | syntaxis: but i was wondering why ubuntu has it and dabr told me they also have it in an unofficial repository which is what i didnt know:) |
| 04:04.49 | cheal | km: are you joking? you're running sid but you can't find the kernel source? |
| 04:04.52 | Guerin | cheal: yeah, with w32codecs, xine handles many wmv/asf clips better than mplayer or vlc - mplayer plays them, but blocky and ugly; vlc often doesn't play them at all. |
| 04:04.59 | syntaxis | houman_zhu: ah, fair enough |
| 04:05.16 | km | no, i am not joking |
| 04:05.16 | JoshH | cheal heh |
| 04:05.22 | km | i really wish i was |
| 04:05.26 | JoshH | km: sid is for smart people |
| 04:05.35 | syntaxis | mina_linux_Tux: you can check http://popcon.debian.org/ to see if anyone's actually using it - other than that, you just have to use your own judgement |
| 04:05.35 | Guerin | km: apt-cache search linux-source |
| 04:05.39 | JoshH | or stupid people, depending on who you ask ;) |
| 04:05.41 | cheal | Guerin: ok, I know vlc is more limited if you compare with the others with w32codecs |
| 04:05.48 | mtnman | km: i would guess you don't have a deb-src line in sources.list. |
| 04:05.51 | Guerin | cheal: yeah. |
| 04:06.10 | Guerin | mtnman: kernel sources are source-packages-in-binary |
| 04:06.11 | houman_zhu | km: download them from kernel.org |
| 04:06.15 | Guerin | so he doesn't need one |
| 04:06.16 | km | i have this: deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free |
| 04:06.24 | Guerin | km: i told you the answer. |
| 04:06.38 | cheal | houman_zhu: I hope you realize you're on #debian |
| 04:06.45 | dabaR | houman_zhu: its not unoficial, it is an official repository that is used for binary only programs. but I just do not want to explain that a lot, it is complex. |
| 04:06.46 | km | i know i could d/l them from kernel.org but i really would like to install them the debian way |
| 04:06.51 | houman_zhu | cheal: did i do something again :( |
| 04:07.05 | Guerin | km: GODDAMNIT, just search; stop whining. |
| 04:07.10 | TriKster-Abacus | I feel for you houman_zhu |
| 04:07.33 | cheal | houman_zhu: people looking for linux source here aren't asking about the vanilla kernel |
| 04:07.38 | TriKster-Abacus | I have been using Deb for awhile and it sometimes is hard to face the fact that some distro specific people are not as friendly as others |
| 04:07.45 | houman_zhu | TriKster-Abacus: yea nother 2 hours in here and id have to go back on xanax, hahah |
| 04:07.49 | Guerin | cheal: or if they are, they're really quite stupid. |
| 04:07.50 | TriKster-Abacus | lol |
| 04:08.02 | JoshH | km: nothing from 'apt-cache search linux-source'? |
| 04:08.10 | houman_zhu | cheal: but the latest ones arnt in the repo, is 2.6.14 src in the debian repositry? |
| 04:08.14 | tsv | TriKster-Abacus, thanks all works fine k3b and amarok ;) |
| 04:08.15 | JoshH | or linux-tree |
| 04:08.17 | cheal | houman_zhu: yes |
| 04:08.18 | km | Guerin: Wow, you're a huge asshole! |
| 04:08.21 | tsv | and other stuff |
| 04:08.30 | syntaxis | km: you can still use make-kpkg with non-Debian kernel sources |
| 04:08.31 | TriKster-Abacus | tsv, cool, now tell Guerin |
| 04:08.41 | tsv | :))) |
| 04:08.48 | Guerin | km: wow, you've been given the answer and would STILL prefer to piss and moan than actually solve your problem. |
| 04:09.00 | TriKster-Abacus | you can also use like a "ck" kernel, and use the config file that should be in /boot and make oldconfig |
| 04:09.01 | dabaR | TriKster-Abacus: it was actually bob2 that was telling you it breaks systems. |
| 04:09.07 | Guerin | who's the bigger arsehole, the one who gives the answer, or the one who doesn't use it? |
| 04:09.19 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: the ladder. |
| 04:09.27 | JoshH | latter... |
| 04:09.27 | TriKster-Abacus | Guerin, you are a touchy sob arent you? |
| 04:09.32 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: what have climbing devices got to do with this? |
| 04:09.37 | houman_zhu | chea: so the new kernel is in the repo? it came out like 5 days ago |
| 04:09.41 | dabaR | stop trolling, please. |
| 04:09.56 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: okay okay so I can't spell.. but my answer WAS close. |
| 04:09.58 | Guerin | TriKster-Abacus: i don't suffer fools gladly, if that's what you mean? |
| 04:10.04 | TwistedEmotions | !cookie TwistedEmotions |
| 04:10.07 | Wyzard | houman_zhu: 2.6.14 was uploaded to unstable on the same day it was released upstream |
| 04:10.10 | cheal | houman_zhu: and it entered sid almost immediately |
| 04:10.25 | TriKster-Abacus | I wouldn't use 2.6.14 just yet |
| 04:10.27 | houman_zhu | so how does it differ fomr the vanila? |
| 04:10.33 | TriKster-Abacus | jsut my $0.2 |
| 04:10.38 | EdLin | !permasunday |
| 04:10.38 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 04:10.40 | Wyzard | TriKster-Abacus: Why not? |
| 04:10.48 | TriKster-Abacus | I just had a few issues... |
| 04:10.52 | syntaxis | houman_zhu: for one thing, non-free firmware has been removed |
| 04:11.04 | Wyzard | TriKster-Abacus: That's rather vague |
| 04:11.10 | TriKster-Abacus | and it didnt seem to give me anything that I didnt already have, if I want a fancy kernel, I go to a "ck" kernel |
| 04:11.13 | cheal | houman_zhu: check the debian kernel handbook |
| 04:11.13 | houman_zhu | chea: so youre saying if i was using sid i could have just installed the binaries for 2.6.14 :s am i an idiot for installing sarge? |
| 04:11.16 | TriKster-Abacus | ya, it is vague, sorry |
| 04:11.27 | Wyzard | TriKster-Abacus: It gives you inotify, which is useful |
| 04:11.31 | syntaxis | houman_zhu: see e.g. http://wiki.debian.org/?KernelFirmwareLicensing |
| 04:11.38 | TriKster-Abacus | what does inotify do? |
| 04:11.42 | Guerin | houman_zhu: no, sarge is a good choice for most people when starting out. |
| 04:11.42 | TriKster-Abacus | wait, google |
| 04:11.47 | cheal | houman_zhu: yes, you could have done that. I don't see how not doing so would make you an idiot though |
| 04:12.24 | Guerin | houman_zhu: if you neeed more up-to-date kernels, you might consider etch. |
| 04:12.30 | Wyzard | TriKster-Abacus: It's useful for all sorts of software that want to keep track of when a file or directory is modified |
| 04:12.38 | houman_zhu | cheal: my laptop wont on old kernels :) its very picky, so i thought my only choice was to compile a kernel, whihc wasnt pretty goven that im a n00b and a troll according to Guerin |
| 04:13.16 | houman_zhu | wel lthey say unstable and i really didnt knwo what that means i thougth if i install it might blow up my laptop or somethign so i decided to go for sarge |
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| 04:13.29 | TriKster-Abacus | Wyzard, ya, I am seeing that, Linux Journal has an article from Robert Love about it |
| 04:13.31 | Wyzard | TriKster-Abacus: Think of file managers (Nautilus, Konqueror, etc.) updating their views to show icons for newly-created files... and Beagle uses it to index new files as soon as they're created, or remove files from the index when they're deleted |
| 04:13.31 | cheal | houman_zhu: hardware support is one thing that can make choosing a release difficult |
| 04:13.33 | houman_zhu | my laptop wont "work" |
| 04:13.51 | TriKster-Abacus | Wyzard, I like that |
| 04:13.55 | EdLin | houman_zhu: and Sarge's 2.6.8 kernel doesn't support your hardware, or did you not type linux26 at the prompt? |
| 04:13.56 | amahbod | How can i create an ext3 partition on / mount my SATA drive? |
| 04:14.07 | Wyzard | TriKster-Abacus: It was merged into 2.6.13, but that was only available in Debian from experimental; 2.6.14 is the first kernel in unstable to have it |
| 04:14.14 | TriKster-Abacus | ahh |
| 04:14.15 | cheal | I run a custom 2.6.11 on my sarge box, which is pretty much the last kernel I'd run here since they changed much of the packaging in 2.6.12 |
| 04:14.16 | bumpsh3r | am I right in assuming the /etc/network/interfaces is somewhat equivilant to the /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-ethx in it's functionality? |
| 04:14.25 | bumpsh3r | not in it's configuration but just it's functionality |
| 04:14.29 | TriKster-Abacus | I am using 2.6.13-1-K7 on my laptop |
| 04:14.40 | Wyzard | TriKster-Abacus: From experimental? Or from kernel.org? |
| 04:14.41 | houman_zhu | EdLin: im not that stupid, :P i went through every page in the linux laptop website that is related to my laptop, and they all said they have to go for at least 2.6.11 cuz of something related to sata |
| 04:14.49 | TriKster-Abacus | from deb |
| 04:15.07 | TriKster-Abacus | I might just use the config file in /boot and use the "ck" kernel |
| 04:15.09 | EdLin | houman_zhu: just checking |
| 04:15.14 | Wyzard | TriKster-Abacus: from experimental, then... 2.6.14 shouldn't be much different from that |
| 04:15.19 | TriKster-Abacus | ahh |
| 04:15.22 | JoshH | houman_zhu: you could always just graduate from noobness, read a lot of shit, and learn how to compile your own kernel |
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| 04:15.49 | TriKster-Abacus | debian's default kernel, I mean any debian kernel is usually setup and configured for anything |
| 04:15.56 | bumpsh3r | anyone? |
| 04:16.00 | TriKster-Abacus | if you have it, it usually finds it and loads the module |
| 04:16.02 | amahbod | How can i create an ext3 partition on / mount my SATA drive? |
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| 04:16.16 | dabaR | bumpsh3r: what are you comparing? where is the other file from? |
| 04:16.20 | houman_zhu | JoshH: well im trying, i wanted to wipe windows off and just go for linux instead of dual booting but alot of my asignments for school are done on windows and i have to be logged in windows omst of the time for my work , which is what is keeping my in noobness |
| 04:16.22 | EdLin | TriKster-Abacus: I wouldn't trust a ck patchset given that its author says he doesn't know how to program, and just throws it togeather out of features he likes that don't instantly crash his box. |
| 04:16.24 | bumpsh3r | sorry, fedora |
| 04:16.24 | JoshH | bumpsh3r: the file is for setting up your network interfaces, thats it |
| 04:16.34 | bumpsh3r | I know their syntax is different |
| 04:16.48 | dabaR | bumpsh3r: well, ask them what their file does, and us what our file does, then compare |
| 04:16.53 | amahbod | anyone? |
| 04:16.54 | amahbod | How can i create an ext3 partition on / mount my SATA drive? |
| 04:16.59 | TriKster-Abacus | EdLin, I host the fully patched "ck" kernel and am on the mailing list.. never had an issue with "ck" |
| 04:17.05 | bumpsh3r | ok, what does the /etc/interfaces file do? |
| 04:17.05 | TriKster-Abacus | more issues, with Nitro and Love |
| 04:17.07 | Wyzard | bumpsh3r: Probably most people here don't know the details of RH's network config files |
| 04:17.22 | JoshH | bumpsh3r: <JoshH> bumpsh3r: the file is for setting up your network interfaces, thats it |
| 04:17.30 | bumpsh3r | ok |
| 04:17.32 | JoshH | ah, nvm |
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| 04:17.41 | TriKster-Abacus | never heard Con Kolivas say he didn't know how to program, nor have I ever seen anyone say that either |
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| 04:17.50 | JoshH | i dont have a /etc/interfaces |
| 04:17.55 | JoshH | just /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:18.01 | dabaR | thats proper |
| 04:18.02 | EdLin | TriKster-Abacus: he did on his homepage. |
| 04:18.04 | bumpsh3r | so if I have a module enabled for a device and I want it to function I place it in the interfaces file using proper syntax and it will work? |
| 04:18.07 | houman_zhu | bumpsh3r, cheal, TriKster-Abacus , thank you so much for your help |
| 04:18.07 | amahbod | does anyone know how to create an ext3 partition on an SATA drive and mount it? |
| 04:18.08 | TriKster-Abacus | haha |
| 04:18.18 | TriKster-Abacus | houman_zhu, np |
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| 04:18.39 | TriKster-Abacus | amahbod, you could use a live cd I guess and format it and mount it |
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| 04:18.42 | Wyzard | bumpsh3r: no, the interfaces file is for specifying how each network interface should be configured (static IP, DHCP, etc.)... it has nothing to do with modules |
| 04:18.49 | bumpsh3r | amahbod: first use fdisk to partition is, then mount it |
| 04:18.50 | JoshH | bumpsh3r: you add a stanza for it, yes |
| 04:18.54 | TriKster-Abacus | that is what I am used to doing |
| 04:19.02 | amahbod | bumpsh3r, would it be /dev/sda? |
| 04:19.08 | amahbod | bumpsh3r, or what -_- |
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| 04:19.15 | TriKster-Abacus | check out dmesg for that |
| 04:19.21 | bumpsh3r | most likely |
| 04:19.23 | TriKster-Abacus | dmesg | grep sd |
| 04:19.47 | bumpsh3r | ty JosH |
| 04:19.53 | amahbod | TriKster-Abacus, |
| 04:19.55 | amahbod | Attached scsi disk sda at scsi1, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 |
| 04:20.01 | TriKster-Abacus | ya |
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| 04:20.06 | amahbod | TriKster-Abacus, so it would be at /dev/scsi1? |
| 04:20.12 | TriKster-Abacus | no, should be /dev/sda |
| 04:20.14 | bumpsh3r | /dev/sda |
| 04:20.18 | TriKster-Abacus | at least it is on my box |
| 04:20.19 | amahbod | TriKster-Abacus, k |
| 04:20.23 | dabaR | Wyzard: what would you do for ez-ipupdate to work with a router? |
| 04:20.35 | TriKster-Abacus | ok, gotta play Guild Wars with wife before she freaks |
| 04:20.36 | bumpsh3r | but to mount it it will most likely be dev/sda1 (depending how u partition it) |
| 04:20.38 | TriKster-Abacus | good night everyone |
| 04:20.42 | dabaR | see ya |
| 04:20.42 | Wyzard | dabaR: Run it on the router |
| 04:20.51 | meff | lol |
| 04:20.54 | bumpsh3r | ni TriKster |
| 04:21.11 | conman | he said bye so I waved; what's so funny? |
| 04:21.12 | dabaR | Wyzard: how? what are you saying? If it is a dlink something. |
| 04:21.19 | Wyzard | dabaR: Get a better router |
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| 04:21.35 | dabaR | Wyzard: ok, so you think there is no port forwarding that could be done? |
| 04:21.45 | Wyzard | dabaR: (old Linux PC, maybe, or that Linksys one that runs Linux) |
| 04:21.53 | Wyzard | dabaR: ez-ipupdate has nothing to do with port forwarding |
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| 04:22.12 | TriKster-Abacus | dabaR, ClarkConnect works great for a firewall, router.. put it on an old computer |
| 04:22.14 | dabaR | Wyzard: I know, I can not design a solution that way either. |
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| 04:22.21 | TriKster-Abacus | or just pay the $39 to get a linksys router |
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| 04:22.27 | BucWheat | hey gang |
| 04:22.31 | TriKster-Abacus | like most people do.. lol |
| 04:22.39 | scanwinder | when i try to compile a kernel im getting this error "make: *** [stamp-kernel-configure] error 2" |
| 04:22.47 | BucWheat | i'm getting Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() and i have apt-get install php4-mysql mysql and php4-cli |
| 04:22.51 | k0walski | How can I modify the menu's that Debian generates automatically, I'm using stable with the blackbox window manager |
| 04:22.53 | scanwinder | how do i fix it? |
| 04:23.04 | dabaR | TriKster-Abacus: it was a theoretical question more. |
| 04:23.14 | ke6isf | !wayc scanwinder |
| 04:23.16 | dpkg | scanwinder: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
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| 04:23.37 | TriKster-Abacus | dabaR, wasn't trying to be rude |
| 04:23.38 | TriKster-Abacus | sorry |
| 04:23.47 | dabaR | TriKster-Abacus: you were not rude. |
| 04:23.50 | TriKster-Abacus | I used a 500MHz box with ClarkConnect for a few years |
| 04:23.53 | scanwinder | ke6isf: i need to compile the madwifi modules into the kernel |
| 04:23.58 | TriKster-Abacus | scanwinder, http://www.google.com/linux?hl=en&lr=&q=kernel+error+%2B+stamp-kernel-configure%5D+error+2&btnG=Search |
| 04:24.07 | dabaR | TriKster-Abacus: and I somewhat agree with your sentence anyhow. |
| 04:24.08 | ke6isf | !fgi |
| 04:24.09 | TriKster-Abacus | check out some of those, I think I noticed a deb deal |
| 04:24.09 | dpkg | [fgi] http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com/, and see http://www.moule.org/images/bart.jpg |
| 04:24.14 | TriKster-Abacus | dabaR, lol |
| 04:24.16 | TriKster-Abacus | thanks |
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| 04:24.30 | TriKster-Abacus | though I hate my linksys, I had issues with forwarding my Quake3 server.. |
| 04:24.39 | TriKster-Abacus | ClarkConnect was way more forgiving |
| 04:24.53 | TriKster-Abacus | ok, I am playing for real nonw |
| 04:24.59 | dabaR | !enter |
| 04:25.00 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 04:25.30 | Wyzard | TriKster-Abacus: My router provides DNS names for the computers in the house, and also serves as a Tor gateway and an OpenVPN endpoint |
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| 04:26.35 | TriKster-Abacus | Wyzard, ya, ClarkConnect will do that too.. and you can (could) set it up so it actually had a true static ip, so you could register a domain name and run it off of ClarkConnect |
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| 04:26.52 | TriKster-Abacus | I used mine for FTP, firewall, port forward, email, webserver and snort |
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| 04:27.12 | TriKster-Abacus | k.. NOW, NOW seriously I am going (wife wont make up her mind) |
| 04:27.31 | Wyzard | TriKster-Abacus: I haven't heard of ClarkConnect before, but Debian works just fine for those tasks |
| 04:27.41 | dabaR | !tmi |
| 04:27.41 | dpkg | i heard tmi is too much information, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Mile_Island |
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| 04:28.08 | TriKster-Abacus | Wyzard, it is just like a turn key solution |
| 04:28.50 | amahbod | TriKster-Abacus, hey, in fdisk, how can i specify that i want to make an ext3 filesystem? |
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| 04:29.06 | TriKster-Abacus | once you fdisk it, then format it |
| 04:29.16 | amahbod | TriKster-Abacus, what's the comand to format it? |
| 04:29.20 | TriKster-Abacus | or I use cfdisk and say reiserfs |
| 04:29.26 | TriKster-Abacus | so it is mkreiserfs |
| 04:29.36 | k0walski | !dpkg wtf |
| 04:29.42 | amahbod | after fdisk, i use mkreiserfs |
| 04:29.44 | amahbod | ? |
| 04:29.45 | k0walski | dang. |
| 04:29.51 | TriKster-Abacus | to tell you the truth, I have never used an exX filesystem.. so I am not sure |
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| 04:30.15 | typewriter | I've got iptables working fine with blocking input and then oepning up individual ports and allowing all output, but right now i want to tighten my rules and block all output and open up ports individually there too |
| 04:30.16 | TriKster-Abacus | if nobody here can tell you, just do mk[tab] |
| 04:30.16 | amahbod | TriKster-Abacus, what filesystem do you use? |
| 04:30.30 | TriKster-Abacus | Iuse reirser for everything, but that is just me |
| 04:30.32 | typewriter | except when I change $iptables -P OUTPUT ALLOW to DROP, my ssh session dies |
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| 04:30.38 | typewriter | and the entire server is not reachable |
| 04:30.53 | k0walski | How can I modify the menu's that Debian generates automatically, I'm using stable with the blackbox window manager |
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| 04:32.53 | _Dez | hey guys i need some help |
| 04:33.09 | syntaxis | _Dez: just ask your question :-) |
| 04:33.13 | _Dez | on boot i want to set these set CONFIG_PCI_MSI=y unset CONFIG_4KSTACKS |
| 04:33.15 | _Dez | but i dont know how |
| 04:33.15 | k0walski | hey guys I need 10 dollars |
| 04:33.28 | k0walski | :) |
| 04:33.28 | blockd | k0walski: there should be a ~/.blackbox dir (or similarly named) |
| 04:33.33 | blockd | k0walski: that'll be $10 please |
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| 04:33.51 | klync | _Dez: if you're using grub, you can set them in /boot/grub/menu.lst ... follow the directions in the comments |
| 04:33.54 | k0walski | blockd: there is but the debian menu always takes precedence for some god unnamed reason. |
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| 04:34.11 | _Dez | Kluster_v2 what about Lilo |
| 04:34.15 | _Dez | i mean klync |
| 04:34.18 | blockd | k0walski: you can edit the menu in there (it's just a simple text file). There should also be another shared one |
| 04:34.53 | blockd | k0walski: strange, usually I've always been able to override it with the one in my home dir |
| 04:34.59 | blockd | not usually, always rather |
| 04:35.02 | klync | _Dez: i dunno if debian has a similar manager thing for lilo, but in general, it's /etc/lilo.conf |
| 04:35.09 | dondelelcaro | k0walski: it's also trivial to override it if you're using openbox; you just change the ~/.config/openbox/menu.xml |
| 04:35.22 | k0walski | blockd: I know.. it's angering me... maybe I named it wrong.. |
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| 04:35.42 | dondelelcaro | (indeed, I don't really know why anyone would use blackbox or fluxbox anymore) |
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| 04:35.59 | blockd | k0walski: it's been a while, but you can probably check the bb website to make sure |
| 04:36.16 | blockd | or install fluxbox instead... |
| 04:36.29 | k0walski | blockd: as crazy as it sounds all they really have is a broken wiki.. I'm preparing to try flux box as we speak.. :) |
| 04:36.45 | dondelelcaro | or just skip fluxbox and use openbox... |
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| 04:36.56 | k0walski | dondelelcaro: I'm using bb cause I'm on a 100 mhz, and I need something lite. |
| 04:37.44 | k0walski | hmm openbox does look a little bit better. |
| 04:37.48 | dondelelcaro | k0walski: openbox is probably lighter. |
| 04:37.50 | vhuren | whats the best filesystem to run a large database on that handles 100,000+ files |
| 04:37.51 | vhuren | ? |
| 04:38.03 | dondelelcaro | vhuren: databases rarely have that many files. |
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| 04:38.07 | _Dez | im running XFree86 on 266mhz MMX |
| 04:38.10 | k0walski | vhuren: heh.. |
| 04:38.24 | k0walski | _Dez: I'm running it on a 100 mhz mips machine.. :) |
| 04:38.33 | _Dez | o |
| 04:38.35 | _Dez | lol :) |
| 04:38.37 | vhuren | ok for a system that will have 100,000+ files |
| 04:38.40 | bob2 | k0walski: indy? |
| 04:38.45 | k0walski | bob2: yea. |
| 04:38.48 | vhuren | whats the best type of fs I should use? |
| 04:38.49 | vhuren | jfs? |
| 04:38.57 | bob2 | k0walski: what kernel, out of interest? |
| 04:38.58 | k0walski | bob2: sucks tho.. cuase the scsi driver is slow as all heck. |
| 04:39.04 | bob2 | I've not managed to get 2.6 to work on it |
| 04:39.05 | dondelelcaro | vhuren: again, it really depends. ext2 or 3 is probably good unless you're running into specific issues where it has problem.s |
| 04:39.13 | k0walski | 2.4.27. |
| 04:39.22 | bob2 | ah |
| 04:39.29 | vhuren | k |
| 04:39.29 | k0walski | bob2: bootstrapping sucks. eh... |
| 04:39.45 | dondelelcaro | vhuren: the issues with the other filesystems is that they aren't as tried and true. |
| 04:39.56 | bob2 | hm, I wonder if sarge netboots on it correctly |
| 04:40.02 | douglas | i got an amd athlon 2600, but the amd kernel i see on the debian-installer download page is the amd64... should i just go with i386 and apt install the regular amd kernel? |
| 04:40.06 | k0walski | bob2: sarge == stable now right? |
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| 04:40.09 | BucWheat | what are the proper packages required to install mysql and php4? |
| 04:40.17 | vhuren | dondelelcaro: I see.. well currently its running ext3 but I was thinking of switching over to jfs |
| 04:40.25 | bob2 | k0walski: yeah |
| 04:40.30 | k0walski | jfs... hehe |
| 04:40.32 | bob2 | BucWheat: depends what you want |
| 04:40.47 | k0walski | bob2: it went on alot better than friggin testing did. :) |
| 04:41.11 | bob2 | BucWheat: if you mean "what packages do I need to have a mysql server and php4 support for apache2?", libapache2-mod-php4 php4-mysql mysql-server |
| 04:41.11 | BucWheat | well i installed php4 and php4-mysql and i keep getting Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() |
| 04:41.18 | bob2 | k0walski: hah |
| 04:41.31 | k0walski | bob2: wait.. it went on and testing didn't.. :) |
| 04:41.49 | BucWheat | bob2 i've done that and i still get the error above |
| 04:42.22 | dondelelcaro | vhuren: well, unless you have a specific reason to switch, I wouldn't bother. |
| 04:42.38 | k0walski | BucWheat: when you run phpinfo does it say you have support for mysql? |
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| 04:42.47 | BucWheat | let me see |
| 04:42.56 | dondelelcaro | vhuren: and indeed, I would do quite a bit of testing with whatever filesystem you plan on moving to in your exact situtation, ideally with sudden poweroffs and as many other "problems" that your real machines run into. |
| 04:42.57 | BucWheat | k0walski you mean <? phpinfo() ?> ? |
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| 04:43.10 | k0walski | BucWheat: Yeah. |
| 04:43.15 | k0walski | I think it's phpinfo() |
| 04:43.22 | k0walski | I dunno.. I don't use php.. |
| 04:43.26 | k0walski | heh. |
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| 04:44.30 | k0walski | i've set it up on a few servers tho. |
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| 04:44.45 | BucWheat | k0walski under dbx it has MySQL in there |
| 04:44.58 | BucWheat | in the supported databases column |
| 04:45.13 | BucWheat | make that row |
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| 04:46.22 | BucWheat | k0walski am i looking under the right section? |
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| 04:47.31 | BucWheat | k0walski i do not see a mysql section |
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| 04:48.38 | k0walski | hrm.. |
| 04:48.53 | k0walski | BucWheat: then for some reason php doesn't have support for mysql.. |
| 04:48.58 | k0walski | is php4-mysql installed? |
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| 04:49.05 | BucWheat | what packages should i have installed? |
| 04:49.12 | _Dez | in LILO how can i do this -> on boot i want to set these set CONFIG_PCI_MSI=y unset CONFIG_4KSTACKS |
| 04:49.28 | BucWheat | php4-mysql is already the newest version. |
| 04:49.42 | BucWheat | k0walski that is what i get when i do apt-get install php4-mysql |
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| 04:49.58 | k0walski | BucWheat: yes. |
| 04:51.01 | BucWheat | k0walski php4-mysql seems to be installed |
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| 04:51.18 | k0walski | BucWheat: hrm.. but php says it still isn't there.. is ther esomething you need tochange in php.conf. |
| 04:51.30 | k0walski | BucWheat: it's been so long since I set it up php.. |
| 04:51.45 | BucWheat | k0walski k. |
| 04:51.55 | bryan | Hi all, I'm having a bit of trouble with software raid (i'm on unstable). I've successfully created and use my raid device, but for some reason I have to manually create the device every boot (mknod) then run raidstart, despite the fact that the partitions of the array have the correct "autostart" partition type. They are SATA disks connected to a Silicon Image controller, and I'm on unstable, running 2.6.12. Thanks! |
| 04:52.05 | BucWheat | any one else in chan setup php4 and mysql on sarge? |
| 04:52.28 | k0walski | BucWheat: I remember last time I set it up... all I had to do was install all the packages tho. |
| 04:52.50 | k0walski | BucWheat: U installed everything using apt-get correct? |
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| 04:53.04 | k0walski | oops |
| 04:53.08 | BucWheat | k0walski yea |
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| 04:55.33 | blockd | BucWheat: grep for mysql.so in your php.ini |
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| 04:56.31 | BucWheat | blockd which one? i have one in /etc/php4/apache and /etc/php4/cli |
| 04:56.39 | blockd | whatever one is getting used... |
| 04:56.43 | blockd | wait |
| 04:56.43 | blockd | nm |
| 04:56.45 | blockd | the first one |
| 04:57.26 | BucWheat | grep mysql.so yields |
| 04:57.27 | BucWheat | ;extension=mysql.so |
| 04:57.27 | BucWheat | extension=mysql.so |
| 04:57.58 | blockd | OK... then how about your httpd.conf file |
| 04:58.21 | blockd | I believe it should include another file for loading the php module near the bototm |
| 04:58.23 | blockd | *bottom |
| 04:58.24 | BucWheat | nothing there for mysql.so |
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| 04:59.00 | blockd | the mysql.so is only for the php.ini file |
| 04:59.46 | BucWheat | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:59.50 | BucWheat | in httpd.conf |
| 05:00.34 | blockd | but it also needs to load the modules |
| 05:00.37 | blockd | module rather |
| 05:01.03 | blockd | in your /etc/apache dir do you see any file name with php in it (not php.ini if there) |
| 05:01.08 | blockd | ? |
| 05:01.27 | BucWheat | no |
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| 05:02.54 | blockd | hm, let me check on another system... just so I can see what's what |
| 05:03.34 | BucWheat | k |
| 05:03.49 | BucWheat | i thought it was as simple as apt-getting the proper packages |
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| 05:04.19 | blockd | it should be.. but I've known people for who that hasn't apparently worked... |
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| 05:05.02 | k0walski | last time I did it it was. |
| 05:06.33 | BucWheat | i think i got it |
| 05:06.57 | BucWheat | i uncommented the other ;extension=msyql.so then restarted apapche |
| 05:07.01 | BucWheat | and it worked |
| 05:07.29 | k0walski | heh yay! |
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| 05:08.51 | BucWheat | heh |
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| 05:10.41 | ansong | is it bad when "who -u" shows you logged in 3 times? I think I'm ok, I just don't know what the output means. the second column would be the location of the logged in user, correct? according to "who -u" I'm logged in at :0, pts/0 and pts/1. can someone explain? |
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| 05:11.25 | dawg | ansong, pts are pseudo terminals, for example when you start an xterm in X |
| 05:12.22 | ansong | gotcha, so the pts/0 & 1 are the two xterms I've got open. and the :0 would be me here at stdin yes? |
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| 05:13.25 | dondelelcaro | dawg: that would be X. |
| 05:13.50 | dondelelcaro | dawg: a tty/1 would be a tty. |
| 05:13.56 | dawg | i think you mean ansong ;o |
| 05:14.05 | ansong | yeah, over here! |
| 05:14.06 | dondelelcaro | right-o |
| 05:14.52 | ansong | so :0 is X? |
| 05:15.03 | dondelelcaro | ansong: yes. |
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| 05:16.40 | dabaR | heh |
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| 05:18.37 | ansong | well, there doesn't seem to be anyone dumb enough for me to help tonight (parsed correctly, this is not an insult to anyone). thanks for the quick assist |
| 05:20.19 | liable | heh, chanserv doesnt like mwilson.. |
| 05:22.44 | liable | !test |
| 05:22.44 | dpkg | Yes, liable, you're still online. |
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| 05:24.28 | Space_ | alguem do brasil??? |
| 05:24.31 | dondelelcaro | !br |
| 05:24.32 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 05:25.07 | Space_ | #debian-br |
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| 05:25.49 | Space_ | ewe |
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| 05:27.05 | deadcat | mlw |
| 05:27.10 | deadcat | lot of people dont like mwilson (= |
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| 05:29.01 | dabaR | well, he is banned now, so that is solved. |
| 05:29.16 | deadcat | what happen? |
| 05:29.19 | deadcat | what he do? |
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| 05:29.26 | btiffin | What's the trick with pppd - using call provider works with PAP and replacedefaultroute, but would like "demand" "persist" and "idle". no go. |
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| 05:29.42 | dabaR | he was joining and parting lots, to the extent of what I saw. nothing really, just I guess chanserv rules. |
| 05:29.52 | deadcat | dabaR: ah |
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| 05:29.57 | liable | no, helix banned him |
| 05:30.16 | k0walski | what is a netwm compatible pager that I can apt-get w/o having to compile my own? |
| 05:30.30 | dabaR | liable: really? I saw nothing on the chan. |
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| 05:30.43 | deadcat | some people go crazy with a little of bit of power... |
| 05:30.56 | liable | dabaR: i read it the other day in someones logs. |
| 05:31.07 | deadcat | k0walski: try netwmpager its pretty ok. |
| 05:31.09 | dabaR | weird, whatever. |
| 05:31.15 | k0walski | deadcat: I can't aptget it. |
| 05:31.17 | liable | give me p0w4r! |
| 05:31.22 | armor98926 | hey people |
| 05:31.28 | armor98926 | who know internet chat? |
| 05:31.32 | deadcat | d03boy: compile it yourself or get it from my server |
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| 05:31.38 | dabaR | armor98926: rephrase |
| 05:31.44 | k0walski | deadcat: is it a deb? |
| 05:31.49 | deadcat | ya |
| 05:31.53 | k0walski | url? |
| 05:31.58 | diana | When I boot my computer my network doesn't work...I have to type "dhclient" eth0 for it to work |
| 05:31.59 | armor98926 | does anyone know internet chat? |
| 05:32.08 | diana | How cacnN I make it so when I b oot my computer it i s auto o setup? |
| 05:32.08 | deadcat | k0walski: http://debian.sshonly.sytes.net/i386/ |
| 05:32.11 | k0walski | nope never heard of it. |
| 05:32.22 | armor98926 | what is a glomp? i forgot |
| 05:32.29 | mtnman | diana: you need to edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:32.41 | dabaR | armor98926: a program for internet chatting? |
| 05:32.43 | deadcat | diana: get a new keyboard |
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| 05:32.51 | diana | deadcat: yea Ik now |
| 05:32.52 | diana | lol |
| 05:32.58 | deadcat | HAHAHA |
| 05:33.05 | diana | At l eat you know it's not my typing |
| 05:33.05 | diana | heh |
| 05:33.06 | armor98926 | no i know that i mean like RPing when someone says "Glomps you" what does that mean? |
| 05:33.09 | k0walski | deadcat: this may sound crazy but can I apt-get install <url str to netwmpager deb> |
| 05:33.21 | dabaR | armor98926: how is this related to debian? |
| 05:33.32 | diana | mtnman: Want to paste your /etc/network/interfaces on pastebin or dump it into my pm? |
| 05:33.33 | armor98926 | its not but i thought some would know |
| 05:33.46 | armor98926 | plus i have ubuntu :P |
| 05:33.50 | dabaR | armor98926: use google for word definitions. |
| 05:33.50 | deadcat | k0walski: i dont have a repo setup. you will have to wget and dpkg -i it. sorry i dont have that much stuff to make a repo. |
| 05:34.06 | liable | diana: /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/interfaces |
| 05:34.06 | armor98926 | alright well thanx anyway |
| 05:34.10 | k0walski | deadcat: ahhh ok.. |
| 05:34.10 | mtnman | diana: well, it is unlikely that mine would work for you. man interfaces has some examples, iirc. |
| 05:34.10 | deadcat | iLLf8d: the hotbabe app is just the girl. you can apt-get that i think. |
| 05:34.11 | armor98926 | see ya |
| 05:34.23 | iLLf8d | girl? |
| 05:34.26 | deadcat | iLLf8d: you dont have to /msg me about hotbabe. |
| 05:34.32 | joycea | I was wondering if anyone could point me to some resources... I am trying to get debian installed onto an AMD64 system with an SATA disk. Is there any recommendations on how to proceed? It is an ASUS mobo and I have tried using the installation DVD produced by the amd64 team to install to no avail... I can't see the SATA disk, even after modprobing the via scsi sata drivers. |
| 05:34.51 | windowlicker | can you get a hotbabe thats not a cartoon? |
| 05:34.54 | iLLf8d | deadcat, well I didn't know if you wanted a bunch more nosey mofos like myself nosing around heh |
| 05:35.19 | deadcat | iLLf8d: ya. she goes tanktop+short->bra+short->bra+panties->panties->blonde pubic hairs HAHAHAH |
| 05:35.24 | k0walski | deadcat: well that sucks.. I forgot I was in mips.. u wouldn't happen to have a binary for mips would u? |
| 05:35.31 | deadcat | iLLf8d: agreed |
| 05:35.39 | typewriter | what would be a cool setup that is easily scalable for virtual mail hosting? right now im using postfix... |
| 05:35.42 | deadcat | k0walski: that suck i only have ppc and x86 (= |
| 05:35.54 | typewriter | but want to add antivirus & spamassassin |
| 05:36.05 | deadcat | k0walski: actually i am using fbpanel now. |
| 05:36.11 | typewriter | and theres a bunch of ways to go... but i was wondering which is the easiest for virtual mail hosting |
| 05:36.19 | deadcat | k0walski: just fbpanel's papger and clock only. looks pretty nice too. |
| 05:36.27 | k0walski | deadcat: I saw fb panel but it goes off of my screen and I can't adjust my monitor.. I dropped it.. :) |
| 05:36.29 | windowlicker | ill just hire a stripper so |
| 05:36.44 | deadcat | windowlicker: hire a stripper |
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| 05:37.46 | iLLf8d | hrm digitallyimporteds eurotrance stream is quite good tonight in case someones interested |
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| 05:38.54 | dabaR | iLLf8d: wow@ |
| 05:40.01 | gpm | hey guys, i just ripped a DVD using dvd::rip, and the subtitles show up on a white background...i was wondering if there's a way to put the subtitles directly onto the movie with no white background? |
| 05:40.26 | iLLf8d | gpm, I dunno but often w/out a bg you can't readem |
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| 05:41.06 | iLLf8d | I dunno why they haven't come up with subtitle contrast reversal yet would be cool if they put dark letters on light bg and vice versa as necessary |
| 05:41.07 | liable | iLLf8d: the eurodance one? |
| 05:41.11 | diana | gpm: Try ksubtitle |
| 05:41.15 | diana | apt-get install ksubtitle |
| 05:41.19 | iLLf8d | liable, yeah its been decent till now |
| 05:41.36 | iLLf8d | liable, hopefully it'll continlue |
| 05:41.47 | iLLf8d | its just mellow good for coding/reinstalling etc... |
| 05:42.03 | klync | wow, i've been gone a while apparently |
| 05:42.06 | iLLf8d | liable, now that I think about it maybe drinking too I should start |
| 05:42.29 | liable | hah |
| 05:42.30 | diana | What are some cool window managers that are light on resources besides black/flux/openbox and xfce/icewm |
| 05:42.35 | k0walski | i wanna listen how can I listen. |
| 05:42.44 | k0walski | diana: AfterStep |
| 05:42.53 | iLLf8d | k0walski, xmms works |
| 05:42.55 | fbhjr | ratposion |
| 05:42.56 | liable | k0walski: http://www.di.fm/ |
| 05:43.02 | liable | or mplayer. |
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| 05:43.43 | iLLf8d | actually theres a bunch of decent to good trance streams philosomatika is a good goa/psy stream |
| 05:44.17 | liable | iLLf8d: ever listen to the classic techno one? some thumping old tracks there at times. |
| 05:44.33 | iLLf8d | yeah at times some of these streams are very hit or miss |
| 05:44.46 | iLLf8d | liable, you familiar with digitalgunfire too? another good one tho not trance |
| 05:45.15 | liable | iLLf8d: nope. /me googles |
| 05:45.43 | iLLf8d | liable join #nix if you can or I can join some other channel you're in the channels pps will get annoyed at this discussion |
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| 05:45.51 | fbhjr | min istry twi tch |
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| 05:46.22 | klync | pardon me for a sec folks... i need that msg |
| 05:46.25 | klync | !lol |
| 05:46.25 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 05:47.12 | fbhjr | and "bwahahahah" makes you look like a drooling idjit |
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| 05:48.31 | Roey | hi |
| 05:48.31 | Roey | an |
| 05:49.18 | Roey | anyone here use a Wacom tablet? I'm having a hard time setting it up because it doesn't seem that the wacom module package for Debian includes the alternate mousedev and usbdev kernel modules... |
| 05:49.40 | Roey | is there a way to do this without having to apply patches to Debian in an out-of-band fashion? |
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| 05:52.43 | IHATE-ALEX | You are all without penises |
| 05:55.34 | IHATE-ALEX | fuck you |
| 05:55.45 | IHATE-ALEX | Dammit dpkg is supposed to respond to that. |
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| 05:56.01 | deadcat | !ops asshole insight |
| 05:56.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: asshole insight |
| 05:56.04 | deadcat | ^^ |
| 05:56.18 | IHATE-ALEX | !fuck you |
| 05:56.21 | IHATE-ALEX | hahaah yes |
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| 05:56.48 | IHATE-ALEX | !fuck guk |
| 05:56.58 | guk | oh ? |
| 05:57.02 | IHATE-ALEX | oh ! |
| 05:57.07 | liable | IHATE-ALEX: cut it out. |
| 05:57.14 | IHATE-ALEX | Yes m'am. |
| 05:57.22 | deadcat | liable: well theres nothing you can do. |
| 05:57.22 | dabaR | bob2: ping |
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| 05:57.38 | IHATE-ALEX | !fuck liable |
| 05:57.48 | liable | deadcat: i know. can try though |
| 05:58.09 | deadcat | liable: try on these people? dont waste time man. |
| 05:58.10 | IHATE-ALEX | You cannot control my retardedness. It must be quite an angry feeling. |
| 05:58.15 | IHATE-ALEX | Exactly |
| 05:58.19 | IHATE-ALEX | People like me aint worth it. |
| 05:58.24 | deadcat | IHATE-ALEX: not at all. i dont give a fuck (= |
| 05:58.47 | liable | hah, i actually find it amusing. but this aint the right place for it. |
| 05:58.48 | IHATE-ALEX | You swore. |
| 05:58.56 | IHATE-ALEX | Why wouldn't it be? |
| 06:00.01 | Roey | ok |
| 06:00.02 | Roey | anyway |
| 06:00.09 | Roey | anyone here use a Wacom tablet? |
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| 06:00.26 | IHATE-ALEX | Used to |
| 06:00.33 | IHATE-ALEX | Then my sister stole it. |
| 06:00.40 | Roey | k |
| 06:00.52 | deadcat | IHATE-ALEX: you dont have a sis. what you talking about. |
| 06:01.01 | deadcat | cant believe he believes you |
| 06:01.14 | IHATE-ALEX | ugh? |
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| 06:01.31 | IHATE-ALEX | If there were ops in here i'd be banned. This sucks. |
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| 06:01.52 | deadcat | IHATE-ALEX: ya. now you have nothing to show for |
| 06:01.53 | deadcat | )= |
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| 06:02.08 | mmiikkee12 | ok... i have quite a situation. i have a hard drive with 4 partitions. i'd like to delete partitions 2,3, and 4, and resize 1 (which contains Debian) to take up the whole disk. |
| 06:02.21 | mmiikkee12 | can i do this without losing data? |
| 06:02.58 | deadcat | mmiikkee12: ya. backup to another disk |
| 06:03.06 | Guerin | mmiikkee12: why delete partitions 2, 3, 4? |
| 06:03.16 | Guerin | mmiikkee12: make one /usr, one /var and one /home |
| 06:03.31 | windowlicker | you can do it with magnets to drag the partitions around and resize them |
| 06:03.32 | Guerin | mmiikkee12: or use one as a pure storage dir |
| 06:03.47 | mmiikkee12 | well i already have debian installed... |
| 06:03.49 | dondelelcaro | mmiikkee12: sure, just use fdisk to change the partition table, and then resize 2,3 and 4. |
| 06:03.57 | dondelelcaro | s/2,3,4/1. |
| 06:03.59 | nimak | windowlicker: haha |
| 06:04.01 | terminal|giga | What debian version runs with the closest to bleeding edge packages? |
| 06:04.08 | dondelelcaro | mmiikkee12: however, you're going to lose any data on 2 3 and 4. |
| 06:04.13 | Guerin | terminal|giga: read the faq |
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| 06:04.17 | mmiikkee12 | which are empty :P |
| 06:04.27 | mmiikkee12 | so they don't matter |
| 06:04.28 | nimak | terminal|giga: experimental |
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| 06:04.40 | terminal|giga | ok, thats not sarge thats...? |
| 06:04.47 | mmiikkee12 | sid |
| 06:04.57 | Guerin | nimak: experimental isn't a version of debian; it's not even close to being complete |
| 06:05.09 | terminal|giga | sid |
| 06:05.09 | terminal|giga | ok |
| 06:05.10 | terminal|giga | thanks |
| 06:05.13 | dondelelcaro | terminal|giga: if you need to ask us what version is the most bleeding edge, you're liable to decapitate yourself. |
| 06:05.13 | mmiikkee12 | yw |
| 06:05.20 | mmiikkee12 | :P |
| 06:05.32 | dondelelcaro | YHBW. |
| 06:05.41 | mmiikkee12 | ok, can i do that without rebooting? |
| 06:05.47 | Guerin | mmiikkee12: no. |
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| 06:05.57 | mmiikkee12 | i'm kind of busy with my computer right now... |
| 06:06.04 | mmiikkee12 | ... playing supertux :) |
| 06:06.14 | Guerin | mmiikkee12: so now's not the right time to be fucking with your partition table. |
| 06:06.15 | dondelelcaro | mmiikkee12: in many cases, yes... but you generally won't be able to resize the partition without umounting it. |
| 06:06.23 | k0walski | what's the name of the clock program that just displays the time and is transparent.. it just displays the numbers and that's it? Do I sound like a retard or does that make sense? |
| 06:06.24 | mmiikkee12 | i was joking... |
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| 06:06.47 | mmiikkee12 | (and why don't they just call it unmount, for clarity's sake?) |
| 06:06.54 | dabaR | its longer |
| 06:07.19 | dondelelcaro | mmiikkee12: it's the same reason it's not called password. |
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| 06:07.31 | dabaR | or /usr |
| 06:07.47 | IHATE-ALEX | In an italian restaruant, could be |
| 06:07.50 | IHATE-ALEX | loof and let die. |
| 06:08.03 | nimak | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:08.04 | Guerin | !confuse IHATE-ALEX |
| 06:08.05 | dpkg | No, who was my pineapple tomorrow, IHATE-ALEX? breeches of the republic of mongolia with extra ham |
| 06:08.07 | mmiikkee12 | because the unix authors liked abbreviating stuff, so linus had to comply? :P |
| 06:08.09 | mmiikkee12 | j/k |
| 06:08.15 | dabaR | lol |
| 06:08.20 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 06:08.20 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@ny-lancastr-cadent1-grp4g-a-241.bflony.adelphia.net] by dondelelcaro |
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| 06:08.21 | Guerin | mmiikkee12: what does linux have to do with umount? |
| 06:08.27 | Guerin | s/x/s/ |
| 06:08.32 | mmiikkee12 | ... |
| 06:08.39 | terminal|giga | were's the sid iso? |
| 06:08.41 | terminal|giga | not seeing it |
| 06:08.45 | Guerin | terminal|giga: there isn't one. |
| 06:08.48 | dondelelcaro | terminal|giga: there aren't any. Seriously, read the FAQ> |
| 06:08.49 | terminal|giga | oh |
| 06:08.58 | mmiikkee12 | linus wrote linux to be unix-compliant |
| 06:08.58 | terminal|giga | i have to go sarge and then upgrade to sid? |
| 06:09.04 | dondelelcaro | !sid iso |
| 06:09.04 | dpkg | i guess sid iso is a BAD idea. Taking an unsupported snapshot of an unstable system and expecting it to work? Well, hell. You pays your $0 and you takes your chances. You get to keep the pieces and we get to laugh at you. |
| 06:09.19 | dondelelcaro | terminal|giga: yes. |
| 06:09.36 | dondelelcaro | terminal|giga: or if you know what you're doing, you use debootstrap to go directly to sid. |
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| 06:09.56 | mmiikkee12 | that's how i installed debian - i can't burn cd's |
| 06:09.59 | mmiikkee12 | :) |
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| 06:10.05 | mmiikkee12 | except i have sarge |
| 06:10.06 | liable | heh, he was wanting to be banned. |
| 06:10.36 | nzx | hey, how do make sshd use my .bashrc file when i login via ssh |
| 06:10.46 | dondelelcaro | liable: I can be nice and give people what they want... ;-) |
| 06:10.56 | liable | hah |
| 06:11.09 | dabaR | I like the confuse factoid |
| 06:11.26 | mmiikkee12 | !confuse dpkg |
| 06:11.27 | dpkg | Yes, where was my weasel yesterday, dpkg? lederhosen of the democracy of tibet with extra anchovies |
| 06:11.29 | dondelelcaro | nzx: source it from your .bash_profile; man bash. |
| 06:11.34 | mmiikkee12 | :) |
| 06:11.38 | liable | one of my favourites |
| 06:11.55 | mmiikkee12 | my favorite: |
| 06:11.57 | mmiikkee12 | !log |
| 06:11.58 | dpkg | Yeah, big guy, show me your /var/log!, or "It's /var/log, /var/log, it's big, it's heavy, it's wood! It's /var/log, /var/log, it's better than bad it's good!" |
| 06:12.06 | mmiikkee12 | ... |
| 06:12.11 | mmiikkee12 | ok i'll stop |
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| 06:12.57 | nzx | dondelelcaro, thank you |
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| 06:13.22 | Guerin | nzx: or put source ~/.bashrc in .sshrc |
| 06:13.33 | Guerin | to have it done automatically |
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| 06:14.24 | dondelelcaro | bah. learn, live, and love the subtle differences between login and non login interactive shells! |
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| 06:15.59 | hebfftijd | t |
| 06:16.10 | plbgnr | hello, pls how can I find out which package I need when I for example get message that command 'dh_testdir not found' and I haven't access to internet? |
| 06:16.49 | dabaR | !find word |
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| 06:17.02 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'word' (9 of 64): (/usr/bin/kword) in kde/kword ;; (/usr/bin/wordview) in text/catdoc ;; (/usr/bin/wordnet) in text/wordnet ;; (/etc/htdig/bad_words) in web/htdig ;; (/etc/sword.conf) in libs/libsword5 ;; (/bin/checkpassword) in admin/fgetty ;; (/usr/bin/wordplay) in games/wordplay ;; (/usr/bin/kwordquiz) in kde/kwordquiz ;; (/usr/bin/hexwords) in devel/mpatrolc102. |
| 06:17.05 | mmiikkee12 | plbgnr: if you don't have 'net access how are you on irc? :) |
| 06:17.23 | dabaR | plbgnr: get the flow? |
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| 06:17.36 | dabaR | plbgnr: use /msg dpkg, though. |
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| 06:18.51 | plbgnr | mmiikkee12: ..it is difficult to explain :) |
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| 06:20.24 | silverton | is there an apache plugin that will host a webcam? |
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| 06:20.33 | silverton | not quite sure how to be more precise then that... |
| 06:21.40 | plbgnr | dabaR: thanks but I don't understand how shall I use it |
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| 06:22.27 | corp-mule | . |
| 06:22.28 | dabaR | plbgnr: can you get to #debian when you are looking for the files? |
| 06:22.51 | corp-mule | how can I get a new video card to work? |
| 06:23.08 | corp-mule | I have run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:23.12 | corp-mule | but .... |
| 06:23.15 | corp-mule | no dice. |
| 06:23.34 | corp-mule | is there an hardware dectection tool for debian? |
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| 06:24.20 | deadcat | discover, but it sucks |
| 06:24.37 | deadcat | oo2 is finally in ppc |
| 06:24.43 | plbgnr | dabaR: no I try to run wireless card on debian and I'm on another computer now |
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| 06:25.10 | corp-mule | is there an hardware dectection tool for debian? |
| 06:25.20 | dabaR | plbgnr: well, I dont know, then. ask a better question, and someone can answer that maybe. |
| 06:25.23 | deadcat | i told you |
| 06:25.29 | mmiikkee12 | modprobe repeatedly until something works? :P |
| 06:25.48 | corp-mule | I lost connectivity for a sec, must have missed some stuff. |
| 06:25.56 | mmiikkee12 | modprobe repeatedly until something works? :P |
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| 06:27.35 | dabaR | deadcat: ya, he missed your post. |
| 06:27.41 | dabaR | corp-mule: discover |
| 06:27.44 | shastry | hola |
| 06:27.56 | shastry | is there a way to install debian from my current linux install ? |
| 06:28.07 | deadcat | ah |
| 06:28.09 | mmiikkee12 | shastry: look in the install guide |
| 06:28.17 | shastry | mmiikkee12: ooh thnx |
| 06:28.32 | corp-mule | does debian support the 3dfx cards? I have an old pci voodoo 3. |
| 06:28.37 | mmiikkee12 | there's a section called 'un*x or gnu system' or something similar |
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| 06:29.11 | corp-mule | I can't remember, does that card use the 'glide' driver? |
| 06:29.37 | scanwinder | im trying to recompile my kernel an im getting the following error "scripts/kconfig/mconf.c:91: error: static declaration of 'current_menu' follows non-static declaration" |
| 06:29.43 | scanwinder | how do i fix it? |
| 06:30.22 | deadcat | scanwinder: you have to tell us why you compiling your own kernel first |
| 06:31.07 | scanwinder | deadcat: i need to add madwifi modules to it |
| 06:31.15 | scanwinder | deadcat: so my wireless card will work |
| 06:31.24 | deadcat | scanwinder: you can use module-assistant to do that |
| 06:31.34 | scanwinder | how do i do that? |
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| 06:32.10 | shastry | oh many many thanks to mmiikkee12 |
| 06:32.11 | shastry | :D |
| 06:32.14 | deadcat | scanwinder: install module-assistant, install madwifi-source, then just m-a a-i madwifi-source |
| 06:32.21 | shastry | ofcourse he just quit .. |
| 06:33.18 | corp-mule | what does it mean when the xserver fails and it says 'no screens found' |
| 06:33.23 | deadcat | scanwinder: or you can just use this: http://sshonly.sytes.net/config/madwifi.sh |
| 06:34.01 | shastry | corp-mule: most prolly driver load error , or a config error |
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| 06:34.48 | scanwinder | deadcat: i get Warning, /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8 seems to contain unconfigured kernel source! |
| 06:35.00 | scanwinder | and then it drops back to the console |
| 06:35.03 | deadcat | scanwinder: what kernel you using? |
| 06:36.05 | scanwinder | deadcat: 2.6.8 |
| 06:36.18 | scanwinder | deadcat: 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 06:36.21 | liable | scanwinder: just get kernel headers package |
| 06:36.28 | deadcat | scanwinder: ah. 2.6.8 uses kernel-headers, not linux-headers |
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| 06:37.58 | deadcat | scanwinder: actually theres easier way. use module-assistant instead of using the script i told you. |
| 06:38.10 | deadcat | let me find the repo line |
| 06:38.28 | corp-mule | yeah shastray, I just noticed the XFree86-4 file still has the info for the old video card. Even though I've run the dpkg-reconfigure a few times. |
| 06:38.38 | corp-mule | should I have to reboot? |
| 06:39.06 | blockd | corp-mule: never have to reboot to restart the X server |
| 06:39.06 | deadcat | scanwinder: deb-src ftp://debian.marlow.dk/ sid madwifi |
| 06:39.22 | blockd | ctrl+alt+backspace will zap it |
| 06:39.25 | deadcat | add that to your sources.list, then update and install madwifi-source |
| 06:39.41 | blockd | (unless it's crashed ;-) |
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| 06:39.48 | Metrics | corp-mule:Check the top of the XFree86-4 file for info on how to let dpkg-reconfigure change the file. |
| 06:39.50 | deadcat | scanwinder: http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi |
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| 06:40.54 | scanwinder | deadcat: ive already got the repositories in....im installing kernel-headers at the moment |
| 06:41.01 | deadcat | k |
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| 06:41.40 | corp-mule_ | HA! |
| 06:42.01 | corp-mule_ | I just edited the XFree86-4 files with the name of the driver I chose and ... wala! |
| 06:42.06 | corp-mule_ | it's all better. |
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| 06:42.25 | corp-mule_ | okay .... |
| 06:42.27 | deadcat | shit. oo2 takes FOREVER to load |
| 06:43.01 | corp-mule_ | how can I move a window when it's title bar is off of the screen. I can't right click on it to choose the resize/move option. |
| 06:43.18 | deadcat | corp-mule_: depends on the manager. |
| 06:43.19 | blockd | what WM are you using? |
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| 06:43.33 | corp-mule_ | windowmaker |
| 06:43.57 | corp-mule_ | I've been searching for help .... google |
| 06:43.59 | deadcat | 5min to load oo2. this suck |
| 06:44.04 | corp-mule_ | but haven't found it yet. |
| 06:44.15 | deadcat | corp-mule_: click on the pref on wmaker |
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| 06:44.24 | blockd | and I thought oo2 had bad load times for me... |
| 06:44.29 | SimonRaven | corp-mule_: 'voila' (sans accent) |
| 06:44.45 | exobyte | is there a way to find out the mount point of the drive a file is on? |
| 06:45.23 | exobyte | or partition |
| 06:46.03 | SimonRaven | um, look at 'mount', df, di, cat /proc/mounts .. take your pick |
| 06:46.17 | deadcat | SimonRaven: you tried oo2 on ppc yet? |
| 06:46.22 | exobyte | hmm, di |
| 06:46.50 | SimonRaven | no, and i'm not going to either |
| 06:47.02 | exobyte | SimonRaven: but there isn't a command to do it? |
| 06:47.04 | deadcat | good for you. slow as hell |
| 06:47.32 | corp-mule_ | damnit! |
| 06:47.38 | corp-mule_ | firefox keeps crashing |
| 06:47.39 | corp-mule_ | damnit! |
| 06:48.10 | plbgnr | exobyte: you can write script for it :) |
| 06:48.39 | exobyte | plbgnr: this is for a script ;) |
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| 06:51.54 | scanwinder | deadcat: ive got the kernel-headers installed and im still getting "Warning, /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8 seems to contain unconfigured kernel source!" when i run m-a a-i madwifi-source |
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| 06:52.30 | SimonRaven | you need to run menuconfig or similar, it's looking for certain files |
| 06:52.47 | SimonRaven | could also be looking for some generated .h file |
| 06:53.11 | deadcat | scanwinder: try m-a -k /usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r` a-i -t madwifi-source |
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| 06:54.29 | blockd | exobyte: the closest I know off hand is the C function statvfs. Other than that... |
| 06:54.41 | scanwinder | deadcat: it says "madwifi-source, what is madwifi-source?" |
| 06:54.54 | deadcat | scanwinder: try just madwifi |
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| 06:56.30 | scanwinder | deadcat: then it says madwifi, what is madwifi |
| 06:56.31 | iLLf8d | hey is the m-a a script for madwifi or a tool or something? |
| 06:56.42 | iLLf8d | just curious |
| 06:58.26 | deadcat | iLLf8d: no. m-a is module-assistant |
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| 06:58.41 | deadcat | it compiles/install many third party driver the debian way. |
| 06:58.47 | shastry | where can i get debian mirrors for apt ? i dont have access to debian system, so i need a web page or something |
| 06:59.04 | deadcat | scanwinder: well. its jsut something simple. because i know it works. |
| 06:59.05 | blockd | debian.org/mirrors I think |
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| 06:59.09 | shastry | thnx |
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| 07:01.49 | iLLf8d | oh module assistant ah I've used that for my nvidia drivers tho I didn't see the reason they made it cause I've done it both ways and it didn't save many steps (perhaps this is the case on the nvidia stuff only) |
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| 07:04.50 | `Rage | anyone here have a good howto for cypress_m8 (usb <-> serial adapter driver) |
| 07:05.32 | k0walski | ok.. I'm trying to get openbox to run from xinitrc and I put my xsetroot command and then a command for netwmpager and then I put exec openbox and it wont' work. |
| 07:05.36 | k0walski | any ideas. |
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| 07:06.11 | bob2 | dabaR: ? |
| 07:07.12 | k0walski | nevermind I figured it out.. |
| 07:07.18 | k0walski | I forgot an & |
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| 07:07.58 | dabaR | bob2: late. |
| 07:08.51 | otakujak | Can someone tell me how to set up my ethernet card for dhcp? |
| 07:08.59 | otakujak | I'm a newbie. |
| 07:09.48 | deadcat | otakujak: man 5 interfaces |
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| 07:10.02 | deadcat | otakujak: you need 2 lines. |
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| 07:10.23 | otakujak | 5 interfaces? |
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| 07:10.35 | hawking | is there a way to change chm files to pdf or some other format? |
| 07:10.48 | Guerin | hawking: yes. Google. |
| 07:11.04 | otakujak | Thanks deadcat. I'm gonna have to shut down and boot into Linux to try that. |
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| 07:11.18 | pryzbyj | anyone know where i can ask questions about binutils? |
| 07:11.26 | Guerin | hawking: oh, xchm might be in debian too |
| 07:11.28 | deadcat | #linux |
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| 07:14.32 | SimonRaven | there's some chm stuff, mostly ending in chm |
| 07:15.06 | `Rage | anyone know of a good laptop battery monitor for gnome, btw? |
| 07:15.11 | deadcat | thats it. i am gonna murder the oo2 developers )= |
| 07:15.45 | deadcat | rage dont gnome have their own little thing? try conky. |
| 07:16.20 | `Rage | nah, nothing up by default, like in kde ;] |
| 07:16.53 | deadcat | really. most gnome people have a little bat icon on the task bar thing |
| 07:17.00 | `Rage | hmm |
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| 07:17.14 | `Rage | seems as tho /proc/apm doesen't exist, I prolly need a kernel recomp |
| 07:17.44 | deadcat | maybe make it point to where ever acpi is located? |
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| 07:19.51 | Guerin | `Rage: there is one in kde, and one in gnome as well |
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| 07:25.52 | klync | what pkg is dig part of? |
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| 07:26.04 | SimonRaven | @dig |
| 07:26.10 | deadcat | dnsutils |
| 07:26.15 | klync | ty |
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| 07:26.32 | klync | oh, it's installed already, how about that :) |
| 07:26.44 | otakujak | deadcat: man interface didn't exist. |
| 07:26.52 | deadcat | man 5 interfaces |
| 07:26.55 | SimonRaven | meh, thought there'd be an easy factoid, there is, but that's not it |
| 07:26.57 | otakujak | Tried that one too. |
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| 07:27.05 | deadcat | bullshit |
| 07:27.05 | otakujak | I'm running slackware, though.. |
| 07:27.09 | deadcat | i know you lying then |
| 07:27.12 | deadcat | fuck you |
| 07:27.33 | otakujak | Uh.. |
| 07:27.34 | otakujak | Kay. |
| 07:27.37 | otakujak | See ya later then. |
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| 07:27.47 | deadcat | you just told me you use debian and a newbie |
| 07:27.50 | deadcat | moron |
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| 07:29.21 | SimonRaven | i think the technical term is troll |
| 07:29.40 | Daveman | haha |
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| 07:33.28 | ^QwErTz^ | hi, I need some opinions.. what should be the best choice for a pptp vpn (windows compatible) |
| 07:34.52 | cmug | !country .ba |
| 07:34.53 | dpkg | Country codes are at http://www.ics.uci.edu/pub/websoft/wwwstat/country-codes.txt |
| 07:35.07 | cmug | !country ba |
| 07:35.08 | dpkg | Country codes are at http://www.ics.uci.edu/pub/websoft/wwwstat/country-codes.txt |
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| 07:36.11 | Netwolf | hello |
| 07:36.40 | Netwolf | I've mistakenly deleted my openssl.cnf and am wondering if anyone can dcc send me theirs |
| 07:36.47 | Netwolf | Linux proxy 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Thu May 19 17:40:50 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 07:39.26 | nimak | how do i add another window manager to gdm? |
| 07:39.30 | corp-mule_ | why why why |
| 07:39.44 | corp-mule_ | why does firefox keep crashing! |
| 07:39.45 | Daveman | Netwolf, no? -- also, download the package again yourself, and simply use the default? |
| 07:40.00 | Daveman | corp-mule_, mozilla dev team is a bunch of 10yr old noobs, that's why |
| 07:40.56 | nimak | i like firefox |
| 07:41.02 | nimak | its not shitty |
| 07:41.25 | corp-mule_ | I've never had trouble with it before |
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| 07:41.32 | corp-mule_ | I've run it on windows and linux |
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| 07:41.43 | SimonRaven | !ba |
| 07:41.43 | dpkg | hmm... ba is Bosnia & Herzegovina |
| 07:41.48 | Michael998 | corp-mule_ : which version of your firefox? |
| 07:42.01 | corp-mule_ | whatever aptitude installed |
| 07:42.04 | corp-mule_ | lemme check |
| 07:42.09 | corp-mule_ | 1.something |
| 07:42.24 | Michael998 | 1.5 ? |
| 07:42.25 | nimak | anyone? |
| 07:42.34 | corp-mule_ | 1.0.4 debian pkg |
| 07:43.37 | Netwolf | Daveman: well, I simply got the rpm version, cpio'd the file |
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| 07:43.39 | SimonRaven | that should be 1.0.7 backported to sarge, if it's the sarge package |
| 07:43.46 | Netwolf | the stupid problem is that I cannot create a pkcs |
| 07:43.57 | corp-mule_ | I'm running sarge |
| 07:44.01 | corp-mule_ | I just installed it today |
| 07:44.08 | Daveman | ... |
| 07:44.20 | SimonRaven | Netwolf: unpack it from the .deb ... |
| 07:44.21 | corp-mule_ | oh .. the other guy ... :) |
| 07:44.22 | ^QwErTz^ | anyone ever setup a pptp server on the same box as a NAT firewall ? im having difficulties to find good infos about it |
| 07:44.24 | Daveman | corp-mule_, okay, so? |
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| 07:44.45 | SimonRaven | corp-mule_: no, 1.0.7 is what it really is |
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| 07:45.04 | heuw | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:45.09 | close__to_debian | How can i find the hardware installed |
| 07:45.11 | Netwolf | it's oops |
| 07:45.21 | Netwolf | heuw: change your passwd now |
| 07:45.26 | eps | I just grabbed the package spca5xx-source how do I compile it? I can't find any documentation with it |
| 07:45.26 | close__to_debian | The type of hardware raid installed |
| 07:45.41 | SimonRaven | heuw: next time be careful, or get your client to do it |
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| 07:45.47 | close__to_debian | I dont have physical acces to the system |
| 07:45.51 | eps | (spca5xx is a webcam kernel module driver) |
| 07:45.54 | SimonRaven | close__to_debian: lspci like any other pci device |
| 07:45.54 | heuw | I'm sorry about that |
| 07:46.11 | SimonRaven | heuw: np, just change your password ;) |
| 07:46.40 | corp-mule_ | SimonRaven, 1.0.7? |
| 07:46.47 | heuw | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:47.09 | Guerin | heuw: change your password before someone else does |
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| 07:47.18 | corp-mule_ | heuw, don't put a spcace before you type "/msg" |
| 07:47.22 | Guerin | man |
| 07:47.29 | SimonRaven | ... |
| 07:47.31 | Guerin | it must be sunday |
| 07:47.45 | SimonRaven | yes |
| 07:48.33 | heuw | I got sarge running with a beautiful display and a mouse and no kde |
| 07:48.37 | close__to_debian | CSB6 RAID/IDE Controller |
| 07:48.57 | close__to_debian | SimonRaven: How can i know the raid type |
| 07:49.02 | close__to_debian | SimonRaven: from this |
| 07:49.03 | Guerin | heuw: sounds ideal to me |
| 07:49.18 | SimonRaven | close__to_debian: you don't |
| 07:49.25 | heuw | the help is really appreciated |
| 07:49.30 | SimonRaven | that all depends how it was configured... |
| 07:49.55 | SimonRaven | even if it is an h/w raid card |
| 07:49.56 | corp-mule_ | heuw, I can relate .... I just got mine running tonight with windowmaker :) |
| 07:49.57 | close__to_debian | SimonRaven: Anyway i can know without physical access |
| 07:50.09 | corp-mule_ | I'm happy ... except for firefox :) |
| 07:50.32 | heuw | if i can ever use the onboard sound device it will be amazin |
| 07:50.50 | calljair | hello guys, I am trying to get a good back up package. |
| 07:51.04 | scanwinder | deadcat: i still cant get madwifi working....i did get it working last time i had debian installed...and i did it by recompiling the kernel...and that was using kernel-source-2.6.8...when i run "make-kpkg --append-to-version "-2-386" --revision 2.6.8-2 --config old configure" i get a few errors, the first is scripts/kconfig/mconf.c:91: error: static declaration of 'current_menu' follows non-static declaration.............do you or |
| 07:51.06 | SimonRaven | um, you know, like any other drive or set of drives connected to a machine. this isn't magical. |
| 07:51.10 | calljair | similar than dirvish, or at least rsync plus cron ? |
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| 07:51.43 | calljair | Anyone knows any good tutorial or web site to find this information |
| 07:51.49 | heuw | and the mouse port is /dev/psaux for all you sports fans. but I still wonder how and where that is configured |
| 07:52.09 | scanwinder | deadcat: im trying to follow the instructions at http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi i followed them and got it to work last time |
| 07:52.16 | heuw | maybe in a back room in palo alto somewhere, or tokyo? |
| 07:53.30 | close__to_debian | SimonRaven: It has three disks /hda1 -> /home hdb1 -> /backup /sda1 -> the rest including / |
| 07:53.35 | corp-mule_ | howdy boys and girls |
| 07:53.37 | liable | scanwinder: just get the headers for your kernel, cd into madwifi source, run make, make install, modprob, done. |
| 07:53.49 | close__to_debian | SimonRaven: Do you think it has raid cinfigured? |
| 07:54.07 | scanwinder | liable: is madwifi source in /usr/src? |
| 07:54.13 | close__to_debian | hda1 -> /home hdb1 -> /backup sda1 -> the rest including / |
| 07:54.21 | liable | scanwinder: its wherever you downloaded it to. |
| 07:54.34 | liable | scanwinder: i just get the latest snapshot from sourceforge |
| 07:55.18 | scanwinder | liable: can you please gimme a link? |
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| 07:55.51 | close__to_debian | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:55.55 | liable | scanwinder: sure http://madwifi.org/ |
| 07:56.05 | close__to_debian | Can anyone tell me if this has raid |
| 07:56.20 | close__to_debian | I dont think it has |
| 07:57.02 | scanwinder | liable: so what file do i need to download? madwifi-source or something? where do i find it there? |
| 07:57.05 | liable | hmm, i didnt even notice its not on sourceforge any more.. |
| 07:57.20 | liable | scanwinder: http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/GettingMadwifi |
| 07:57.20 | dondelelcaro | close__to_debian: it's pretty much impossible to tell; there are raid card drivers that behave like normal hard drives. |
| 07:57.32 | dondelelcaro | close__to_debian: dmesg should tell you though. |
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| 07:59.30 | liable | scanwinder: you could get the .deb i spose, i normally just get the tarball |
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| 08:00.33 | scanwinder | liable: where exactly is the tarball? at that gettingmadwifi thing, it says to do svn checkout http://svn.madwifi.org/trunk madwifi-ng what is svn? i dont seem to have whatever i need to use it |
| 08:01.04 | liable | scanwinder: you want me to compile it too :P http://snapshots.madwifi.org/ |
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| 08:04.02 | notPoncha | hi. i have a question... i have a router that forwards different ports to port 22 of different machines... now, when i ssh from my machine to that ip, first time i do, the rsa fingerprint of one machine is written into known_hosts --> so when i try to ssh to other boxes (using other ports on the same outside ip) ssh on my machine blocks it (with man-in-the-middle-attack msg) because the fingerprint listed for this ip in known_hosts does not match |
| 08:04.02 | notPoncha | (unless i remove ~/.ssh/know_hosts of course). is there a way of making ssh remember fingerprints for host-ip pair , not just ip or stop using known_hosts for that matter ? |
| 08:04.12 | close__to_debian | dondelelcaro: Can you please take a look at this |
| 08:04.14 | close__to_debian | http://sial.org/pbot/14143?wr=on&tidy=on&hl=on&submit=Format+it%21 |
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| 08:06.00 | scanwinder | liable: when i run make, i get include/asm/processor.h:86: error: array type has incomplete element type |
| 08:06.52 | SimonRaven | that just mentions s/w raid (md stuff) and some scsi stuffs |
| 08:07.16 | close__to_debian | I have pasted raid part of mesg . Please take a look and let me know |
| 08:07.20 | close__to_debian | http://sial.org/pbot/14143?wr=on&tidy=on&hl=on&submit=Format+it%21 |
| 08:07.51 | SimonRaven | that's what i'm commenting on |
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| 08:08.20 | close__to_debian | SimonRaven: I dont think its s/w raid |
| 08:08.21 | hihi | hi |
| 08:08.30 | hihi | .. |
| 08:08.54 | close__to_debian | SimonRaven: Then there should be something in mdstat right? |
| 08:09.07 | SimonRaven | the md stuff is. and it isn't seeing any drives with md superblocks on so it does nothing. no, not if it's h/w raid |
| 08:09.43 | close__to_debian | SimonRaven: Let nme take a look at it |
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| 08:11.49 | klync | 0x00 |
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| 08:13.17 | liable | scanwinder: google i spose. do you have build essential installed? Or try an older snapshot, that new one was only from today, may have errors. |
| 08:13.31 | deadcat | scanwinder: let me ssh and take a look if you dont mind |
| 08:13.48 | SimonRaven | scanwinder: that's gcc 4 whining about bad coding |
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| 08:14.23 | SimonRaven | something to do with a type and an array being declared after it's called |
| 08:14.26 | HEX_FALSE | can you guys ssh my computer right now if you want to? |
| 08:14.38 | HEX_FALSE | im a noob |
| 08:14.44 | SimonRaven | or somesuch thing. that's why there's patches specific to gcc 4 |
| 08:14.46 | deadcat | HEX_FALSE: username:passwd |
| 08:14.54 | SimonRaven | s/to/for/ |
| 08:15.11 | HEX_FALSE | dead is there a way to do it from windows? |
| 08:15.15 | HEX_FALSE | ftp correct? |
| 08:15.24 | SimonRaven | ftp is not ssh |
| 08:15.25 | deadcat | ftp would be ftp. NOT ssh |
| 08:15.30 | close__to_debian | SimonRaven: Hey i cant find anything else |
| 08:15.41 | close__to_debian | SimonRaven: Anything from raid |
| 08:15.45 | HEX_FALSE | is there an ssh for windows? |
| 08:15.48 | deadcat | HEX_FALSE: and what the hell am i gonna do if i ssh into a windows box? i dont know |
| 08:15.53 | SimonRaven | !putty |
| 08:15.54 | dpkg | somebody said putty was a DFSG-free ssh/telnet/rsh client for Windows. It is small, simple, and has no install nonsense. Available at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ |
| 08:16.00 | deadcat | server |
| 08:16.05 | HEX_FALSE | ah please dont ruin my computer |
| 08:16.10 | HEX_FALSE | please |
| 08:16.11 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 08:16.38 | HEX_FALSE | thanks dpkg |
| 08:16.40 | SimonRaven | HEX_FALSE: hey windows box connected to the net sooner or later will get 'ruined' all by itself. doesn't need any help from us |
| 08:16.53 | HEX_FALSE | haha lol |
| 08:17.10 | HEX_FALSE | im switching to some type of unix o.s. as soon as i get my sata2 drive |
| 08:17.27 | typewriter | windows server is sweet |
| 08:17.32 | SimonRaven | there's over 60 000 worms, viruses, and trojans written for it... |
| 08:17.48 | close__to_debian | SimonRaven: Hey i cant find anything else. anything from /proc |
| 08:19.33 | HEX_FALSE | which unix o.s. would you recommend? |
| 08:19.42 | deadcat | HEX_FALSE: #linux |
| 08:19.57 | HEX_FALSE | thanks |
| 08:19.59 | SimonRaven | /proc/partitions, but that just tells you what partitions there are. like dondelelcaro said, you might not be able to see it. see dmesg, like dmesg | grep -i raid or such. BTW, shouldn't you know what you did to this thing if it's your box? |
| 08:20.54 | typewriter | HEX_FALSE: well your in debian channel |
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| 08:21.05 | HEX_FALSE | ah i have nothing to ssh to |
| 08:21.16 | SimonRaven | well, it helps that you know it's ide, so just look for any hd* partitions. it's a start |
| 08:21.23 | Skrotto | HEX_FALSE: Isn't that like going to church and ask which religion to choose? |
| 08:21.26 | typewriter | what are you talking about hex |
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| 08:21.51 | HEX_FALSE | i just downloaded putty and i'd like to ssh to someone |
| 08:22.02 | SimonRaven | no thanks |
| 08:22.09 | SimonRaven | ssh to yourself |
| 08:22.15 | HEX_FALSE | okay |
| 08:22.20 | typewriter | they've got free shells on the net, google |
| 08:22.21 | Skrotto | "I just got a condom. Now I'd like to get laid".. yeah.. right. :p |
| 08:23.07 | HEX_FALSE | a command line came up |
| 08:23.12 | HEX_FALSE | when i hit open |
| 08:23.17 | HEX_FALSE | to my own ip |
| 08:23.30 | HEX_FALSE | network error:connection timed out |
| 08:23.38 | typewriter | HEX_FALSE: stfu |
| 08:24.03 | HEX_FALSE | typewrite: ? |
| 08:25.41 | streuner | haha |
| 08:26.00 | HEX_FALSE | what? |
| 08:26.11 | HEX_FALSE | seriously |
| 08:26.16 | HEX_FALSE | why can't i ssh to myself? |
| 08:26.36 | HEX_FALSE | firewall blocking port? |
| 08:26.36 | streuner | in putty? ;-) |
| 08:26.39 | HEX_FALSE | yes |
| 08:26.43 | streuner | haha |
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| 08:26.55 | deadcat | streuner: hes trolling. ignore him |
| 08:26.59 | HEX_FALSE | why do you just laugh? |
| 08:27.01 | streuner | i know |
| 08:27.03 | streuner | :-) |
| 08:27.44 | streuner | deadcat: he is funny, at least |
| 08:27.54 | HEX_FALSE | fine i'll shut up |
| 08:28.39 | wireddd | ahh nice and quiet |
| 08:28.43 | Gnea | HEX_FALSE: netstat -nap | grep 22 |
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| 08:29.12 | sx4a | hello, I am on X, a reg user. setup some resources for eg. emacs. I copy this dot Xresources file to /root then if I su in aterm, X doesnt use the resources. how can I make X see resources for root? |
| 08:29.33 | typewriter | I installed postfix and removed sendmail, but I'm getting 20 minutes system emails from crontab with this error "/usr/share/sendmail/sendmail: line 820: /usr/sbin/sendmail-msp: No such file or directory" |
| 08:29.43 | Gnea | sx4a: su - |
| 08:29.44 | typewriter | I have no idea where this is coming from |
| 08:29.59 | Gnea | sx4a: better yet, you should install and utilize sudo for that |
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| 08:30.16 | wireddd | heh great message if you try and and "apt-get remove apt" |
| 08:30.21 | Guerin | typewriter: how did you remove sendmail, and why was it installed in the first place? |
| 08:30.44 | Gnea | typewriter: stop postfix and see if the problem persists. if it doesn't, then restart it and see if it's still there. |
| 08:30.46 | typewriter | i have no idea... |
| 08:30.56 | typewriter | ok |
| 08:31.03 | Guerin | typewriter: why not? |
| 08:31.08 | typewriter | this is running from crontab |
| 08:31.16 | Gnea | typewriter: how often? |
| 08:31.24 | typewriter | i looked at root's crontab, /etc/cron.*, /etc/crontab |
| 08:31.31 | Gnea | crontab -l |
| 08:31.34 | typewriter | every 20 minutes |
| 08:31.44 | typewriter | i've got nothing in root's crontab |
| 08:31.55 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:32.02 | Gnea | and wait for 20 minutes :) |
| 08:32.04 | sx4a | Guerin : doesnt do it. not su - nor sudo. |
| 08:32.20 | HEX_FALSE | netstat -nap | grep 22 |
| 08:32.23 | typewriter | say that works, what would be the problem? |
| 08:32.26 | HEX_FALSE | unknown command grep |
| 08:32.40 | Gnea | HEX_FALSE: oh whoops, wrong OS. HA! |
| 08:33.12 | HEX_FALSE | so when ssh-ing from a windows box with putty it has to be to a unix system? |
| 08:33.22 | HEX_FALSE | or is it a diff. command for windows? |
| 08:33.29 | Guerin | sx4a: sux |
| 08:33.31 | streuner | HEX_FALSE: what makes you think in #debian you got an answer for windows? |
| 08:33.34 | Gnea | typewriter: hrm, i'm not sure - start postfix back up and wait another 20 minutes - check /var/log/* for the user that the cron job is running as |
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| 08:33.43 | bumpsh3r | hey, is there an equivilant to less for debian? |
| 08:33.49 | Guerin | bumpsh3r: less |
| 08:33.54 | Gnea | HEX_FALSE: there are systems other than unix that run ssh daemons? |
| 08:33.57 | HEX_FALSE | streuner: hrm, idk, i'm switching to the o.s. soon |
| 08:34.05 | bumpsh3r | do I have to install a package for it? |
| 08:34.10 | bumpsh3r | because I don't have it |
| 08:34.13 | typewriter | why do i even have /usr/share/sendmail dir when i dont even have sendmail installed :/ |
| 08:34.17 | bumpsh3r | i've got more but no less |
| 08:34.17 | streuner | HEX_FALSE: switch now |
| 08:34.23 | Guerin | !installit |
| 08:34.23 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 08:34.28 | Gnea | bumpsh3r: apt-get install less |
| 08:34.52 | Guerin | !find usr/share/sendmail |
| 08:34.58 | bumpsh3r | ty gnea |
| 08:35.01 | HEX_FALSE | streuner: actually i am tomorrow morning when i get my laptop back so i can track what im doing |
| 08:35.03 | typewriter | hmm |
| 08:35.07 | Gnea | np |
| 08:35.08 | bumpsh3r | distro* |
| 08:35.10 | typewriter | nevermind i do still have sendmail pkgs |
| 08:35.14 | sx4a | hmmmm |
| 08:35.15 | HEX_FALSE | streuner: also can you just tell me the windows command |
| 08:35.17 | sx4a | nope not sux either |
| 08:35.17 | typewriter | is there a way to list all pkgs installed? |
| 08:35.22 | typewriter | on my system |
| 08:35.25 | HEX_FALSE | why is it such a tease with all these unix guys |
| 08:35.25 | Guerin | sx4a: then you're doing something wrong. |
| 08:35.31 | Gnea | bumpsh3r: space limitations i suppose - it's not needed, it's just a luxury command |
| 08:35.37 | Guerin | HEX_FALSE: we don't know or care about windows. |
| 08:35.43 | Guerin | HEX_FALSE: ask someone who does. |
| 08:35.46 | streuner | HEX_FALSE: iam using windows to play games... |
| 08:35.54 | Gnea | HEX_FALSE: one day, young grasshopper, you will know... |
| 08:36.01 | sx4a | I dnt think so, I log as root, X sees the resources, uses them. |
| 08:36.03 | bumpsh3r | eeeeeew but it's not less |
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| 08:36.05 | HEX_FALSE | Guerin: by doing this i'm getting a taste of unix. |
| 08:36.08 | HEX_FALSE | please help |
| 08:36.09 | blaamann | I installed the 2.6 kernel and now if I choose the 2.4 kernel at boot my USB mouse will not work, any ideas ? I am using udev |
| 08:36.41 | bumpsh3r | that makes sense...heck, I could've symlinked more and it would've been the same thing |
| 08:36.41 | Gnea | HEX_FALSE: we don't "just help" here. you have to take initiative and help yourself by reading and doing. |
| 08:36.59 | ericrar | i am compile kernel in debian but now the kernel is not work it stop at load |
| 08:37.00 | Gnea | HEX_FALSE: once you've actually done something and can't figure something out, then you come and ask. |
| 08:37.09 | Gnea | HEX_FALSE: that's just the way it works. |
| 08:37.17 | ericrar | the err message is that |
| 08:37.18 | ericrar | BIOS-provided physical RAM map: |
| 08:37.18 | ericrar | BIOS-e820: 0000000000000000 - 000000000009fc00 (usable) |
| 08:37.18 | ericrar | BIOS-e820: 000000000009fc00 - 00000000000a0000 (reserved) |
| 08:37.18 | ericrar | BIOS-e820: 00000000000f0000 - 0000000000100000 (reserved) |
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| 08:37.23 | HEX_FALSE | okay than can you at least tell me what the command "netstat -nap | grep 22" is doing? so that i can research it? |
| 08:37.32 | sx4a | Guerin : it works when I startx as root. the resources work. the problem is while being a reg user and su in a term. wont see the user's resources nor root's. |
| 08:37.33 | Guerin | HEX_FALSE: man netstat; man grep |
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| 08:37.46 | Gnea | HEX_FALSE: write the command down - when you get debian installed, try it out |
| 08:37.55 | Guerin | sx4a: it will if you use sux or export xauthority correct |
| 08:37.56 | streuner | Guerin: he is running windows... |
| 08:37.56 | Guerin | ly |
| 08:38.00 | Guerin | !run stuff as root |
| 08:38.00 | dpkg | "export XAUTHORITY=$HOME/.Xauthority" in your environment BEFORE you su, DO NOT use "su -" because that blows away your variable setting above. See also <sux>, <sshx>, <mit-magic-cookie>. |
| 08:38.03 | Gnea | !tell ericrar about flood |
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| 08:38.17 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'usr/share/sendmail' (2): (/usr/share/sendmail/{Parse_conf.pm|Parse_mc.pm|buildvirtuser}) in mail/sendmail-base ;; (/usr/share/sendmail/cf/debian/{autoconf.m4|sendmail.mc|submit.mc}, /usr/share/sendmail/cf/cf/{README|chez.cs.mc|clientproto.mc|...}, /usr/share/sendmail/cf/domain/{Berkeley.EDU.m4|CS.Berkeley.EDU.m4|EECS.Berkeley.EDU.m4|...}) in mail/sendmail-cf. |
| 08:38.26 | bumpsh3r | alias |
| 08:38.42 | bumpsh3r | sorry, wrong window |
| 08:38.48 | Gnea | :) |
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| 08:39.02 | ericrar | ................ |
| 08:39.10 | Gnea | !flood |
| 08:39.10 | dpkg | It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 08:39.23 | streuner | HEX_FALSE: http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=grep&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=OpenBSD+Current&arch=i386&format=html |
| 08:39.24 | typewriter | how do i list all packages i have installed? |
| 08:39.35 | deadcat | dpkg -l |
| 08:39.37 | Guerin | typewriter: man dpkg |
| 08:39.41 | sx4a | Guerin: just installed sux -(apt-get install sux) as sugested. perhaps x needs to be restarted? |
| 08:39.42 | Gnea | typewriter: dpkg -l | grep ii |
| 08:39.55 | Guerin | sx4a: you need to RUN sux to get a root shell |
| 08:40.08 | Guerin | sx4a: with x privileges |
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| 08:40.17 | Guerin | sx4a: man sux for details |
| 08:40.29 | sx4a | Guerin: I did |
| 08:40.32 | ericrar | 512MB LOWMEM available. |
| 08:40.32 | ericrar | DMI 2.2 present |
| 08:40.37 | typewriter | safe to remove xinetd if im not using it? |
| 08:40.42 | ericrar | who know that |
| 08:40.49 | Gnea | ericrar: paste it to the website and provide a url please. |
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| 08:41.27 | bob2 | typewriter: yes |
| 08:41.59 | ericrar | no flood |
| 08:42.16 | Gnea | ericrar: are you literate? |
| 08:42.25 | HEX_FALSE | geurin: wow the built in firewall on my router is blocking everything from putty, even with the specified port forwarded |
| 08:42.55 | ericrar | Gnea, ye |
| 08:43.16 | bob2 | ericrar: what's your native language? perhaps another channel could help your better. |
| 08:43.20 | Gnea | ericrar: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ go there, paste your output there, then tell us the URL |
| 08:43.33 | Gnea | bob2: probably mandarin or cantonese |
| 08:43.36 | ericrar | i am posting now |
| 08:43.45 | Gnea | awesome |
| 08:43.47 | HEX_FALSE | are there any ipod programs for debian? |
| 08:43.57 | streuner_ | HEX_FALSE: it doesn't matter at all, putty is only a client (ssh), you would need a daemon in order to connect via ssh to your box actually |
| 08:44.03 | bob2 | ugh, I need another nic |
| 08:44.05 | Gnea | HEX_FALSE: http://freshmeat.net <-- search there |
| 08:44.11 | blaamann | HEX_FALSE: Rhytmbox ? |
| 08:44.18 | HEX_FALSE | thank you very much |
| 08:44.22 | HEX_FALSE | nice easy answer |
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| 08:44.45 | dondelelcaro | bob2: bob3? |
| 08:44.51 | Gnea | HEX_FALSE: i know it's not easy to be a n00b |
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| 08:44.53 | Gnea | :) |
| 08:44.56 | sanxiyn | oops |
| 08:45.00 | HEX_FALSE | :'( |
| 08:45.02 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: hah. |
| 08:45.02 | sanxiyn | Is today Sunday? |
| 08:45.07 | dondelelcaro | sanxiyn: in some places, yes... |
| 08:45.10 | *** part/#debian sanxiyn (n=tinuviel@222.233.187.107) |
| 08:45.12 | HEX_FALSE | i wish i had a phatty linux box configured properly |
| 08:45.13 | streuner_ | So Nov 6 09:45:12 CET 2005 |
| 08:45.28 | HEX_FALSE | i'm honestly going to do it once i get another hd |
| 08:45.37 | wireddd | HEX_FALSE, just ditch windows and go for it |
| 08:45.38 | Gnea | HEX_FALSE: when will that occur? |
| 08:45.41 | HEX_FALSE | sanxiyn: yes |
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| 08:45.49 | HEX_FALSE | whenever the computer fair is here locally |
| 08:45.53 | HEX_FALSE | next |
| 08:46.00 | Gnea | where is 'here'? |
| 08:46.00 | *** part/#debian Fermi (n=Solidot@137.132.192.101) |
| 08:46.05 | HEX_FALSE | wi |
| 08:46.08 | Gnea | oh |
| 08:46.09 | Gnea | milwaukee? |
| 08:46.09 | HEX_FALSE | wehre u from |
| 08:46.13 | HEX_FALSE | yeah |
| 08:46.16 | HEX_FALSE | :) |
| 08:46.18 | Gnea | my mother's womb :) |
| 08:46.21 | ericrar | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1042 |
| 08:46.30 | Gnea | arizona |
| 08:46.34 | typewriter | now i know where to hunt you down |
| 08:46.34 | HEX_FALSE | your mother womb, what do you mean by that |
| 08:46.36 | typewriter | and cut you |
| 08:47.00 | HEX_FALSE | hahah |
| 08:47.00 | HEX_FALSE | i'll own u |
| 08:47.00 | bob2 | typewriter: uh? |
| 08:47.00 | Gnea | ericrar: oh dude, i have the same motherboard |
| 08:47.00 | Gnea | ericrar: what cpu is in it? |
| 08:47.16 | HEX_FALSE | where u guys all from |
| 08:47.22 | HEX_FALSE | where in arizona gnea |
| 08:47.31 | Gnea | HEX_FALSE: you will? ok, i'll call up my peeps in madison and chicago ;) |
| 08:47.48 | ericrar | AMD sp2400 |
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| 08:48.18 | ericrar | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1043. .config |
| 08:48.21 | Gnea | HEX_FALSE: sorry, the 'hunt you down' attitude is frowned upon and you will be eliminated if you try. |
| 08:48.24 | HEX_FALSE | okay yea, talk all emo, um but why did you say your mothers womb? |
| 08:48.34 | Gnea | what is this 'emo' thing? |
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| 08:48.47 | HEX_FALSE | this emotion rollercoaster thing you're doing |
| 08:48.49 | HEX_FALSE | knife me |
| 08:48.52 | HEX_FALSE | cut me |
| 08:48.54 | Gnea | is that what it is? |
| 08:49.01 | HEX_FALSE | seemed like it |
| 08:49.01 | Gnea | weird. |
| 08:49.05 | ericrar | i know this is because .config mistake |
| 08:49.08 | Gnea | oh well, you're offtopic |
| 08:49.08 | HEX_FALSE | yeah was weird |
| 08:49.09 | wireddd | ericrar, I have the exact same mb/cpu combo |
| 08:49.10 | Nurbs | sunday morning on #debian, yay :) |
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| 08:49.14 | typewriter | my blood |
| 08:49.15 | typewriter | my tears |
| 08:49.22 | HEX_FALSE | who gives a rip if i'm off topic |
| 08:49.23 | HEX_FALSE | so r u |
| 08:49.23 | typewriter | i think im in love |
| 08:49.54 | typewriter | thats my 3 line emo song |
| 08:49.59 | HEX_FALSE | hahaha |
| 08:49.59 | HEX_FALSE | lol |
| 08:50.01 | Gnea | ericrar: change the CPU from pentium4 to K7 |
| 08:50.01 | HEX_FALSE | silence |
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| 08:50.16 | dabaR | bob2: HEX_FALSE |
| 08:50.23 | ericrar | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1044. |
| 08:50.26 | HEX_FALSE | what is bob2\ |
| 08:50.28 | ericrar | my cpu |
| 08:50.46 | Gnea | ericrar: sec, i'll paste my .config |
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| 08:51.08 | streuner_ | !tell HEX_FALSE about enter |
| 08:51.11 | ericrar | Gnea, YE THANK YOU |
| 08:51.12 | Gnea | ericrar: it's 2.6.12 but it should port quite easily |
| 08:51.19 | Gnea | ericrar: no problem :) |
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| 08:51.45 | ericrar | HAVE A DIFFULT 2.6.12 2.6.14? |
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| 08:51.52 | HEX_FALSE | streuner: sorry |
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| 08:52.28 | bumpsh3r | say I catted something I should've zcatted, what can I do to un-corrupt the tty I was on? |
| 08:53.09 | HEX_FALSE | how can i remote connect to a windows box if iis is enabled and guest account is turned on? |
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| 08:53.27 | bob2 | HEX_FALSE: where "remote connect" = ? |
| 08:53.29 | typewriter | isnt there a init.d script that saves iptable rules? |
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| 08:53.48 | typewriter | so it can autostart iptables with custom rules on boot |
| 08:53.49 | bob2 | typewriter: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian |
| 08:53.56 | bob2 | typewriter: our own ljlane wrote that logn ago |
| 08:54.11 | bbrazil | HEX_FALSE: you looking for a equivilent to mstsc /v:computername ? |
| 08:54.16 | typewriter | does it work? ;P |
| 08:54.34 | HEX_FALSE | bbrazil: yes |
| 08:54.52 | Gnea | ericrar: i'm almost done - i think your caps lock key is turned on :) |
| 08:55.01 | HEX_FALSE | ill try that i suppose |
| 08:55.11 | Gnea | HEX_FALSE: are you familiar with telnet? |
| 08:55.23 | bbrazil | HEX_FALSE: vnc should do that for you |
| 08:55.30 | bumpsh3r | tsclient |
| 08:55.32 | xelam | no no no |
| 08:55.35 | xelam | use rdeesktop |
| 08:55.38 | xelam | -e |
| 08:55.40 | xelam | rdesktop |
| 08:55.44 | xelam | apt-get install rdesktop |
| 08:55.58 | xelam | it's like mstsc.exe, but for *nix :) |
| 08:55.59 | Gnea | tsclient rocks |
| 08:56.00 | xelam | it's great |
| 08:56.08 | bumpsh3r | yes it does |
| 08:56.47 | HEX_FALSE | bbrazil: i suppose i'm looking for something a little more "back-door-ish" |
| 08:56.48 | bumpsh3r | any word on how I can uncorrupt a tty I corrupted by catting something I should've zcatted? |
| 08:56.53 | typewriter | debian doesnt mail daily system logs? |
| 08:57.00 | liable | bumpsh3r: reset |
| 08:57.11 | bbrazil | HEX_FALSE: waht are you trying to do? |
| 08:57.19 | Gnea | ericrar: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1045 |
| 08:57.25 | HEX_FALSE | browse a filesystem |
| 08:57.26 | bbrazil | typewriter: logwatch will give you a nice daily summary |
| 08:57.37 | ericrar | Gnea, OK thx |
| 08:57.41 | bumpsh3r | liable: ty |
| 08:57.49 | dpower | HEX_FALSE: rdesktop |
| 08:57.58 | typewriter | bbrazil: whats in the log emails? |
| 08:58.03 | Gnea | ericrar: good luck |
| 08:58.16 | bbrazil | HEX_FALSE: then why did you say you wanted a mstsc equivilent? smbclient smbmount |
| 08:58.25 | typewriter | i want something like freebsd's daily email logs... it tells me what files have changed, why has changed with /etc/passwd and other things |
| 08:58.59 | bbrazil | typewriter: just deleted mine from today, but pam sessions, attempted phpmyadmin attacks, mail logs, df -h, kernel stuff and a fortune. usual extensible stuff |
| 08:59.22 | bbrazil | typewriter: you could always manually alter the logrotate conf to mail you logs |
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| 08:59.42 | HEX_FALSE | rdesktop...let me play with it. |
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| 09:00.49 | d4s | I'm trying to connect my thinkpad t41 db25 for console connection to my router.. doesn't seem to work... I use ttyS0, ttyS1 |
| 09:01.20 | Gnea | d4s: minicom? |
| 09:01.27 | kevix | d4s: are you using minicom and serial cable? |
| 09:01.33 | d4s | yup |
| 09:01.37 | Gnea | d4s: how about a null modem? |
| 09:01.48 | d4s | null modem? |
| 09:01.49 | HEX_FALSE | ah at the moment looking for a windows version of rdesktop, anyone some help without the knocks? |
| 09:02.06 | kevix | d4s: what about connection speed? |
| 09:02.07 | Gnea | HEX_FALSE: google.com search for 'rdesktop' |
| 09:02.09 | dpower | !windows |
| 09:02.09 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 09:02.18 | bumpsh3r | windows version of rdesktop client? |
| 09:02.22 | HEX_FALSE | lol |
| 09:02.22 | d4s | kevix: 96 8n1 |
| 09:02.27 | bumpsh3r | go to ms and download it |
| 09:02.34 | HEX_FALSE | bumpsh3r: yes |
| 09:02.37 | bumpsh3r | server? if not XP use vnc |
| 09:02.43 | d4s | bumpsh3r: vmware |
| 09:02.48 | d4s | lol |
| 09:02.56 | kevix | d4s: looks right. |
| 09:03.06 | HEX_FALSE | bumpsh3r: download what? u talking to me? |
| 09:03.08 | Gnea | d4s: added a line to inittab? |
| 09:03.19 | HEX_FALSE | bumpsh3r: from microsoft.com |
| 09:03.22 | d4s | Gnea: what? |
| 09:03.25 | dpower | HEX_FALSE: xp has remote desktop built in |
| 09:03.34 | bumpsh3r | HEX_FALSE: yes, u can download remotedesktop to run on windows from ms download site |
| 09:03.37 | dpower | now can we stop talking about windows? :\ |
| 09:03.42 | HEX_FALSE | dpower: gui only? |
| 09:03.46 | Gnea | d4s: on the vmware'd system - /etc/inittab should have a line there to open a terminal on the serial |
| 09:03.47 | d4s | Gnea: what's inittab got to do with this? |
| 09:04.12 | d4s | Gnea: No, no, hehehe that vmware is for rdekstop client for windows hehehe |
| 09:04.16 | HEX_FALSE | ah i want to back door to it |
| 09:04.21 | bumpsh3r | HEX_FALSE: I know but I meant if you were looking for a terminal server and not running windows xp u could use vnc |
| 09:04.21 | Gnea | d4s: ROFL oh ok, my bad :) |
| 09:04.48 | Gnea | oops, i spileld my beer |
| 09:04.52 | ShowerPower | i can rdesktop into a 2003 server, I dont know about another xp home client |
| 09:04.56 | bumpsh3r | d4s: what's vmware have to do with rdesktop client? |
| 09:05.14 | xelam | i dont think XP home supports remote desktop |
| 09:05.15 | bumpsh3r | you can rdesktop into an XP client too |
| 09:05.18 | xelam | only xp pro |
| 09:05.23 | dpower | xelam: that is correct |
| 09:05.35 | d4s | bumpsh3r: install vmware on windows.. install debian on top of vmware.. then rdesktop |
| 09:05.36 | HEX_FALSE | bumpsh3r: i plan on making my computer into a server with vnc once i convert to unix when i get my new h.d. |
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| 09:05.52 | ShowerPower | it would have to be running terminal services though |
| 09:05.53 | dpower | HEX_FALSE: how about dump windows all together |
| 09:06.06 | HEX_FALSE | d4s: will the user being connected to be prompted? |
| 09:06.08 | xelam | windows is good for some things :| |
| 09:06.09 | bumpsh3r | ds4: w0w...all I can do is lol |
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| 09:06.14 | dpower | for gaming |
| 09:06.30 | HEX_FALSE | dpower: will do, but not ready yet. i do lots of gaming yet on it. |
| 09:06.36 | kevix | Gnea: I just looked at /etc/inittab and it has a sample mgetty like. is that what you mean? |
| 09:06.40 | dpower | !leet |
| 09:06.41 | dpkg | /me is leet cos he can start lines with a / |
| 09:06.45 | bumpsh3r | HEX_FALSE: if connecting to an XP remote desktop the console will be locked |
| 09:06.46 | streuner_ | HEX_FALSE: how big is your HD? |
| 09:07.00 | bumpsh3r | user sitting at console could log back in and you would be disconnected |
| 09:07.15 | HEX_FALSE | streuner_: not partitioning |
| 09:07.18 | ShowerPower | kde remote desktop works perfect, it uses vnc i think |
| 09:07.21 | bumpsh3r | \/ I can do that too |
| 09:07.21 | streuner_ | HEX_FALSE: 20 Gigs? |
| 09:07.25 | bumpsh3r | :o |
| 09:07.31 | bumpsh3r | or not |
| 09:07.35 | HEX_FALSE | youll get mad if i tell u |
| 09:07.37 | bumpsh3r | /hmmm |
| 09:07.39 | HEX_FALSE | i have an 80gb |
| 09:07.42 | HEX_FALSE | and a 400 gb |
| 09:07.43 | bumpsh3r | /or so |
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| 09:07.57 | streuner_ | HEX_FALSE: hm, so you don't have 5 gigs left for debian? |
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| 09:08.14 | HEX_FALSE | no, i don't want to partition-magic either of them |
| 09:08.24 | HEX_FALSE | once i get 10 dollars and buy another drive i'll do it |
| 09:08.27 | dpower | ahah, why use partition magic? |
| 09:08.27 | pugz | hey guys. any way to use the graphical debian installer in a non-graphical install? like use it to perform a normal text install? |
| 09:08.30 | HEX_FALSE | in fact i'll order a drive tomorrow |
| 09:08.40 | HEX_FALSE | later today i mean |
| 09:08.44 | bumpsh3r | lol |
| 09:08.48 | HEX_FALSE | unless anyone here wants to order me one, lol |
| 09:09.09 | bumpsh3r | pugs: yes you can but it requires you to press the any key before you begin the install |
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| 09:09.18 | HEX_FALSE | dpower: why are you so for linux, you don't have to be that happy about it |
| 09:09.19 | kevix | pugz: what graphicall installer? net-install, business card iso, sarge cd? |
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| 09:09.42 | HEX_FALSE | offtopic |
| 09:09.44 | pugz | kevix: the new graphical installer. the link can be found at linuxformat.co.uk |
| 09:09.49 | HEX_FALSE | who suggested that b4 |
| 09:09.55 | dpower | HEX_FALSE: check the channel we are in |
| 09:09.59 | pugz | bumpsh3r: can you ellaborate? |
| 09:10.03 | liable | its not really graphical per se, curses based.. |
| 09:10.21 | bumpsh3r | pugz: sorry, it was a joke, I thought you were being funny...seemed like a contradiction there |
| 09:10.37 | pugz | hehe - i can understand that, but i was actually serious! |
| 09:10.38 | pugz | hehe |
| 09:10.43 | HEX_FALSE | dpower: i'm done, i've gathered my information tonite |
| 09:10.53 | HEX_FALSE | thank you all for the help |
| 09:11.21 | HEX_FALSE | someone does need to write a windows command line rdesktop though |
| 09:11.23 | kevix | pugz: I think there is an experimental one, but not an offical one. as liable said, the offical ones are 'curses' |
| 09:11.38 | pugz | kevix: yeah... i am aware that it is experimental |
| 09:11.47 | pugz | question still stands |
| 09:11.55 | Gnea | HEX_FALSE: yes, you should. |
| 09:11.59 | dpower | HEX_FALSE: why not use telnet |
| 09:12.11 | liable | pugz: if you dont want the graphical one, why use it? |
| 09:12.25 | HEX_FALSE | dpower: i suppose |
| 09:12.31 | bumpsh3r | ewwww |
| 09:12.33 | HEX_FALSE | i'll try it should say |
| 09:12.40 | bumpsh3r | he said telnet |
| 09:12.41 | pugz | liable: because i have already downloaded it to use on my laptop. and i want to install testing anyway (which it does... quite well!) |
| 09:13.00 | Gnea | bumpsh3r: what's wrong with telnet? ;) |
| 09:13.08 | pugz | regardless, it should be something they should implement if they havent already. it is handy to always be able to do a text install |
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| 09:13.15 | HEX_FALSE | moreless trying to capture the entire tree of a pc without the end user knowing of the login |
| 09:13.17 | bumpsh3r | hmmmm.... |
| 09:13.20 | bumpsh3r | where to start... |
| 09:13.24 | bumpsh3r | lol |
| 09:13.34 | dpower | well theres not ssh for windows :\ |
| 09:13.36 | HEX_FALSE | or without the other pc having to do anything for the connect |
| 09:13.39 | Gnea | HEX_FALSE: oh so you're an elite hacker then? |
| 09:13.44 | shastry | hi all |
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| 09:13.49 | bumpsh3r | there's no ssh servers u can install on a windows box? |
| 09:13.52 | dpower | hahaha Gnea |
| 09:13.55 | HEX_FALSE | gnea: yes, elite windows telnet ftp hacker |
| 09:13.57 | HEX_FALSE | hahaha |
| 09:14.07 | dpower | guess ya could find one |
| 09:14.15 | bumpsh3r | lol |
| 09:14.18 | HEX_FALSE | lol |
| 09:14.19 | Gnea | HEX_FALSE: then you definately need to learn telnet. |
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| 09:14.29 | liable | hope there was no beer spilled then.. |
| 09:14.32 | shastry | i want users to be able to create and edit files in a dir, but not delete any files.. what am i to look for ? |
| 09:14.37 | HEX_FALSE | but telnet the other pc has to have it opened wating for a connection |
| 09:14.40 | Gnea | naw i licked it all up |
| 09:14.51 | bbrazil | shastry: append flag. chattr |
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| 09:14.54 | Gnea | so then you would need to make it open |
| 09:15.00 | kevix | pugz: there should be instruction - try the function keys, they ususally show help. |
| 09:15.19 | shastry | bbrazil: thnx |
| 09:15.22 | bumpsh3r | shastry: webdav and set permissions appropriately |
| 09:15.24 | bbrazil | bumpsh3r: I think you can install one with cygwin |
| 09:15.29 | bbrazil | shastry: assumes ext2/3 |
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| 09:15.39 | shastry | bbrazil: ooh no.. its reiserfs |
| 09:15.42 | pugz | kevix: it appears you cant actually do it |
| 09:15.45 | hebfftijd | does debian has lm_sensors |
| 09:15.51 | shastry | whas webdav :/ |
| 09:15.56 | bbrazil | shastry: you might also be looking for the stick bit. delete other peoples files or any files? |
| 09:15.59 | Gnea | hebfftijd: yes |
| 09:16.04 | bumpsh3r | filesharing over http |
| 09:16.09 | pugz | shastry: gooday! |
| 09:16.12 | hebfftijd | apt-get install lm_sensors Gnea |
| 09:16.21 | shastry | bbrazil: any file |
| 09:16.26 | shastry | pugz: hola :D |
| 09:16.33 | pugz | how u goin? |
| 09:16.45 | shastry | bumpsh3r: what does that have to do with my local issue ? |
| 09:16.48 | bbrazil | shastry: maybe resier has an equivilent |
| 09:16.54 | kevix | hebfftijd: there are some that are included in the regular kernel but there is also ones you need to compile if yours in not included. |
| 09:16.56 | Gnea | hebfftijd: does it work? |
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| 09:17.13 | hebfftijd | going to install it Gnea |
| 09:17.14 | shastry | bbrazil: hmm k |
| 09:17.44 | pugz | anyone here run testing on a server? |
| 09:18.04 | bumpsh3r | go riuhooo!!! |
| 09:18.05 | hebfftijd | Gnea, what's the packagename |
| 09:18.11 | shastry | pugz: not bad, you ? |
| 09:18.16 | bbrazil | shastry: how about making the dir blah.blah 755 and giving sudo access to your users to blah for touch |
| 09:18.19 | bumpsh3r | s-cry-ed rocks!!! |
| 09:18.20 | Gnea | hebfftijd: apt-cache search sensors <-- should be in that list |
| 09:18.27 | hebfftijd | oke Gnea |
| 09:18.31 | pugz | shastry: all good |
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| 09:19.02 | HEX_FALSE | is it possible to telnet to self? |
| 09:19.06 | shastry | bbrazil: ehm.. i wanted the settings to be transparent.. no sudo and all |
| 09:19.16 | bumpsh3r | HEX_FALSE: yes |
| 09:19.20 | shastry | bbrazil: will i notice any performance difference when using ext3 ? |
| 09:19.25 | HEX_FALSE | why do the connections keep closing? |
| 09:19.31 | shastry | HEX_FALSE: yes |
| 09:19.47 | bumpsh3r | HEX_FALSE: what are you trying to connect to? |
| 09:19.54 | bbrazil | shastry: I doubt it. |
| 09:19.54 | HEX_FALSE | my own ip |
| 09:20.00 | bumpsh3r | on port 23? |
| 09:20.05 | bumpsh3r | default telnet? |
| 09:20.05 | HEX_FALSE | on a port i have forwarded on my routers firewall |
| 09:20.11 | kevix | pugz: there is a small iso you can get like 50mb, the business card iso. if you want to install a basic system and then upgrade once you have the base install and your network card running. |
| 09:20.15 | bumpsh3r | to what port or service are you trying to connect? |
| 09:20.25 | shastry | bbrazil: thnx, i guess i'll use ext3 then |
| 09:20.29 | HEX_FALSE | im trying to telnet to my own pc on port 80 |
| 09:20.39 | HEX_FALSE | and port 80 is forwarded |
| 09:20.43 | bumpsh3r | you have a webserver running? |
| 09:20.57 | HEX_FALSE | me? |
| 09:20.58 | HEX_FALSE | no |
| 09:20.59 | nekostar | HEX_FALSE, does your isp forward those ports? |
| 09:21.03 | bumpsh3r | depending on the webserver usually they'll timeout pretty quick |
| 09:21.17 | HEX_FALSE | nekostar: no but my router is set to forward them |
| 09:21.22 | bumpsh3r | if you don't have anything running on that port than it's just dropping the connection |
| 09:21.23 | bbrazil | shastry: use bonnie to benchmark it if you want, however if you need a feature... |
| 09:21.25 | HEX_FALSE | would the windows firewall be blocking it? |
| 09:21.39 | bbrazil | HEX_FALSE: sp2? yes |
| 09:21.41 | bumpsh3r | if you have the window's firewall enabled yes |
| 09:21.42 | nekostar | my isp actively blocks port 80 so i cant have a local webserver |
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| 09:21.45 | HEX_FALSE | bumpsh3r: why is it dropping the connection? |
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| 09:21.55 | bumpsh3r | nekostar: sure you can |
| 09:21.59 | livinded2 | is the 2.6 kernel in the repository? |
| 09:22.05 | nekostar | bumpsh3r, how? |
| 09:22.09 | bumpsh3r | I did before I moved mine to business class |
| 09:22.12 | kevix | nekostar: you can have a webserver, just use a differnt port. |
| 09:22.16 | HEX_FALSE | nekostar: how is a user supposed to set up iis or any-like unix client? |
| 09:22.23 | nekostar | yeah then i got to get a forwarding link :P |
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| 09:22.49 | bumpsh3r | purchase a domain, set up your dns to webforward your domain to yourip:8080 or some other port that's not blocked by the isp |
| 09:22.52 | nekostar | dont understand HEX_FALSE |
| 09:22.58 | nekostar | yeah |
| 09:23.09 | nekostar | im too lazy to spend 8 bucks |
| 09:23.10 | nekostar | :D |
| 09:23.18 | bumpsh3r | lol |
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| 09:23.28 | Coweater | use one of the dynamic dns providers, most offer forwarding as well |
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| 09:23.50 | bumpsh3r | I used zoneedit |
| 09:23.51 | kevix | bumpsh3r: the difference between business and user accounds: twice the price and they unblock a port or two. |
| 09:23.54 | nekostar | yeah ive got a forwarder to my tracker Coweater :P well the one i had |
| 09:23.57 | bumpsh3r | didn't use it's dynamic capabilities though |
| 09:24.12 | nekostar | dyndns.dk for me :D |
| 09:24.12 | bumpsh3r | zoneedit is free too up to a certain amount of dns traffic |
| 09:24.18 | __DL__ | I had a kernel general protection fault, what should I do about it ? |
| 09:24.50 | bumpsh3r | protect the kernel better |
| 09:24.58 | kevix | __DL__: what changed recently? upgrade, memory, hardware? |
| 09:25.00 | bumpsh3r | :P |
| 09:25.04 | Gnea | __DL__: fix it. |
| 09:25.06 | bumpsh3r | lol |
| 09:25.09 | Gnea | :) |
| 09:25.28 | hebfftijd | brb |
| 09:25.43 | __DL__ | in fact, I had severall Oops from some time, and I don't remind what had changed then |
| 09:26.02 | bumpsh3r | bbl, got some debian learning to do |
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| 09:26.55 | kevix | bumpsh3r: wwww.debian-administration.org |
| 09:26.56 | HEX_FALS1 | sorry got disconnected |
| 09:27.13 | HEX_FALS1 | would norton be blocking the port? |
| 09:27.27 | bumpsh3r | is there a way I can include wireless settings in the interfaces file? |
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| 09:27.35 | bumpsh3r | ssid wepkey blah blah blah |
| 09:27.37 | kevix | HEX_FALS1: who is this 'norton' fellow x-) |
| 09:27.55 | Gnea | wifi |
| 09:27.57 | HEX_FALS1 | da har har |
| 09:27.57 | Gnea | oops |
| 09:28.00 | HEX_FALS1 | :) |
| 09:28.00 | bumpsh3r | if you're running norton's firewall |
| 09:28.05 | bumpsh3r | and haven't opened it |
| 09:28.17 | HEX_FALS1 | dang, how to find that setting |
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| 09:28.18 | kevix | bumpsh3r: yes. search for 'debian wireless' and you should find a few example |
| 09:28.34 | hebfftijd | oke see some values in sensors |
| 09:28.39 | bumpsh3r | kevix: ty |
| 09:29.39 | shastry | do u create an ext3 filesystem with mkfs.ext3 or mke2fs -j ? |
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| 09:30.14 | Gnea | shastry: either or - the former is guaranteed |
| 09:30.37 | shastry | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:30.55 | enveezee | Gnea: money back? |
| 09:30.59 | HEX_FALS1 | if i'm telnetting do i need to be accepting the telnet? |
| 09:31.02 | kevix | bumpsh3r: wireless-keymode restricted; wireless-key1 XXXXXXXX; wireless-defaultkey 1; |
| 09:31.15 | Gnea | enveezee: beerback #) |
| 09:31.58 | HEX_FALS1 | ? |
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| 09:32.37 | Guerin | oh god, he's still here |
| 09:32.46 | w3rdn4 | God is still here? |
| 09:32.56 | w3rdn4 | sweet jumpin jelly beans |
| 09:33.06 | Guerin | w3rdn4: if he was, he'd surely have smoten HEX_FALS1 by now |
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| 09:33.25 | floppyears | hi |
| 09:33.28 | floppyears | what command or what can I do to find out the timings of the ram module installed in my mahcine? |
| 09:33.30 | HEX_FALS1 | do they make counter-strike for linux? |
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| 09:33.41 | Guerin | HEX_FALS1: why don't you ask them? |
| 09:33.46 | shastry | HEX_FALS1: NO |
| 09:33.48 | Gnea | HEX_FALS1: sometimes |
| 09:33.49 | Jerry | HEX_FALS1, no, but you can use Wine/WineX |
| 09:33.49 | HEX_FALS1 | weak |
| 09:33.53 | kevix | floppyears: open the case? |
| 09:33.58 | bbrazil | floppyears: reboot and watch the BIOS at bootup |
| 09:33.59 | HEX_FALS1 | gnea: sometimes? |
| 09:34.02 | w3rdn4 | games ahhh!! |
| 09:34.04 | Gnea | HEX_FALS1: sometimes. |
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| 09:34.19 | floppyears | so there's no linux command that I can use ? |
| 09:34.22 | HEX_FALS1 | gnea: what!!!!~~~ ??? :D |
| 09:34.28 | bbrazil | floppyears: check dmesg maybe |
| 09:34.29 | HEX_FALS1 | sometimes? |
| 09:34.33 | Gnea | HEX_FALS1: sometimes. what, are you illiterate? |
| 09:34.35 | kevix | HEX_FALS1: google''cedega' |
| 09:35.26 | w3rdn4 | w3rdn4 is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 09:35.35 | w3rdn4 | how do I add myself to the sudoers file? |
| 09:35.47 | bbrazil | w3rdn4: visudo |
| 09:35.52 | enveezee | aww, I'm tellin!! |
| 09:36.03 | Gnea | HEX_FALS1: look, counterstrike is a windows game, but it's possible to play some windows games in linux using cedega - it's basically a transport program that bridges the gap between windows and linux |
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| 09:36.58 | HEX_FALS1 | gnea: is it easier to run wine, then cs? |
| 09:37.03 | Guerin | HEX_FALS1: please stop being so fucking stupid |
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| 09:37.37 | Guerin | excellent |
| 09:37.47 | enveezee | :) |
| 09:37.47 | kevix | HEX_FALS1: the transgaming folks: you pay them, they have tech support. |
| 09:37.54 | TTT | hi, I'm not able to switch to different virtual consoles via ctrl+alt+F1..7, any idea what could be wrong? where to look for problems? |
| 09:37.54 | enveezee | it was starting to get on my nerves |
| 09:37.58 | loca|host | hello, i have my usb flash disk (256Mb) plugged to my laptop and i dont know wich device name does it take in /dev to mount it, anybody can help ? |
| 09:38.03 | enveezee | more than these fucking bugs |
| 09:38.09 | Gnea | TTT: when did it start? |
| 09:38.15 | Guerin | loca|host: read dmesg or /proc/partitions |
| 09:38.27 | TTT | Gnea: after big sid/kernel upgrade |
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| 09:38.37 | Gnea | HEX_FALSE: yes, it's also easier to just throw your computer out the window |
| 09:39.02 | Gnea | TTT: that would explain it - how 'big' is 'big'? |
| 09:39.30 | loca|host | Guerin, /proc/partitions got informations about hd's |
| 09:39.39 | TTT | big is 6 monts of no upgrades, then ~300 packages upgraded, kernel 2.6.8 => 2.6.11 I think too |
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| 09:40.02 | Gnea | TTT: oh fuck - did you upgrade, then dist-upgrade? |
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| 09:40.12 | kevix | loca|host: have you ever used 'mount'? |
| 09:40.27 | Gnea | TTT: sid has many, many broken things right now. |
| 09:40.29 | TTT | i know it would explain it, but I wonder what has to be working for VTs to work. gettys must be started from inittab, then what? /dev/xxx devices must be there? what else? |
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| 09:40.34 | loca|host | Kevix ofcourse ! |
| 09:40.36 | TTT | Gnea: i'm quite used to broken things |
| 09:40.50 | loca|host | i just donnow what's the device name of my usb disk |
| 09:41.00 | Gnea | TTT: oh ok cool - well is udev running? |
| 09:41.04 | TTT | yes |
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| 09:41.08 | loca|host | dmesg wont work for me, it still repeating these two lines forever : |
| 09:41.09 | loca|host | codec_write 1: semaphore is not ready for register 0x54 |
| 09:41.09 | loca|host | codec_semaphore: semaphore is not ready [0x1][0x700300] |
| 09:41.10 | Gnea | hrm, on 2.6.11? |
| 09:41.18 | TTT | um, yea |
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| 09:41.33 | Gnea | upgrade to 2.6.12 - it's called linux-kernel now, not debian-kernel |
| 09:41.36 | Guerin | loca|host: so do the other thing i told you |
| 09:41.45 | TTT | Gnea: i'll try 2.6.12 |
| 09:41.45 | kevix | loca|host: 90% of the time its /dev/sda1 , try using that. if it doesnt work, say so. x-) |
| 09:41.52 | Gnea | TTT: udev requires it. |
| 09:41.54 | bumpsh3r | wow |
| 09:42.06 | bumpsh3r | talked about a hacked up install of debian |
| 09:42.09 | bumpsh3r | lol |
| 09:42.12 | bumpsh3r | so |
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| 09:42.16 | Gnea | bumpsh3r: nothing new ;) |
| 09:42.30 | bumpsh3r | no, u got to hear this |
| 09:42.30 | loca|host | /proc/partitions : |
| 09:42.32 | loca|host | ~# cat /proc/partitions |
| 09:42.33 | loca|host | major minor #blocks name |
| 09:42.33 | loca|host | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:42.33 | loca|host | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:42.33 | loca|host | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:42.44 | Gnea | please, i'm all ears, er eyes.. |
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| 09:42.50 | bumpsh3r | have fedora installed on first partition then swap partition then installed debian on 3rd partition |
| 09:42.55 | loca|host | sorry for that |
| 09:43.04 | Gnea | !tell loca|host about flood |
| 09:43.12 | jhaig | I am trying to get OpenOffice 2 from sid installed on a machine running sarge. I think I have all the necessary dependencies from testing and unstable, but I have stumbled upon a problem. OO2 needs libmyspell3c2, which (I guess) supercedes libmyspell3. However, certain packages (notably gnome) depend on libmyspell3. Is there a way either to have both installed, or tell things that needed libmyspell3 to use libmyspell3c2 instead? |
| 09:43.15 | loca|host | ok Gnea am sorry |
| 09:43.19 | bumpsh3r | didn't installl a boot manager so I just edited fedora's command line args on the fly to boot debian |
| 09:43.27 | Gnea | loca|host: just don't do it again, it's all good |
| 09:43.34 | loca|host | :) |
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| 09:43.37 | Gnea | :) |
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| 09:43.51 | TTT | jhaig: if I were you, i'd not try getting sid packages run on sarge, better try finding sarge packages of OOo2 |
| 09:43.58 | bumpsh3r | well I didn't change the first roo (hd0,0) to the right partition...soooo I booted the fedora 2.6.14 custom kernel with the initrd on the fedora partition into the debian partition |
| 09:44.00 | Guerin | jhaig: not easily. |
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| 09:44.09 | bumpsh3r | lol |
| 09:44.31 | Guerin | jhaig: you can try some hackery with equivs, but generally it's best to just not fuck with things like this. |
| 09:44.59 | Guerin | jhaig: better to backport oo.o2 from sid yourself - /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 09:45.13 | jhaig | TTT: Do such packages exist? The answer I've generally got is that because it needs java (specifically kaffe) it will only be available for etch at best. |
| 09:45.44 | TTT | jhaig: get Sun's java if you're not 100% open-source fanatic |
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| 09:45.44 | Guerin | jhaig: no, you'd need to backport your java as well. |
| 09:46.23 | jhaig | Guerin: Thanks for the tip about backports. I'll give it a go. |
| 09:46.28 | blaamann | backport java ? |
| 09:46.39 | Guerin | blaamann: you can read! |
| 09:46.45 | not_benh | hello all. quick cron question that I just cant seem to find out in the docs... would */45 run every 45 minutes (ie :00 :45 :30 :15 ) or just every :45 ??? |
| 09:46.59 | TTT | jhaig: i found some OOo2 packages in www.apt-get.org, i'm not sure how good are they |
| 09:47.24 | bumpsh3r | i copied over the modules and what not, and have just been booting like that |
| 09:47.59 | loca|host | it's working, it's /dev/sda |
| 09:48.09 | loca|host | did a fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 09:48.14 | loca|host | and it's all right |
| 09:48.35 | bumpsh3r | lol, guess it's not that impressive to all you "vets" out there, but I just thought it was freakin cool |
| 09:48.56 | bumpsh3r | i've never really screwed around with a lot of different distros |
| 09:48.59 | loca|host | i wonder if in my case, there's no place to ask, is there any reference for device naming under linux ? |
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| 09:49.10 | kevix | loca|host: you must not have udev/gnome-volume-manager installed. |
| 09:49.34 | ircdevil | i just pluggen a mem stick card into the bay at my box. how can i read the data on the card? |
| 09:49.59 | TTT | ircdevil: mount it |
| 09:50.05 | Guerin | !tell ircdevil about usb storage |
| 09:50.14 | loca|host | kevix, am using shell console under kde |
| 09:50.15 | kevix | loca|host: hdXX ide hard disk, sdXX scsi hard disk (or usb) |
| 09:50.19 | Gnea | not_benh: checking... |
| 09:50.31 | ircdevil | Guerin: it doesnt show in /proc/partitions |
| 09:50.47 | loca|host | ircdevil, mount -t auto /dev/sda /mnt/ |
| 09:50.48 | kevix | loca|host: you can still install gnome-volume-manager and hal under kde. |
| 09:50.52 | loca|host | or sdb ... |
| 09:51.11 | ircdevil | loca|host: i dont know what dev it is - i have like 12 different possibilities |
| 09:51.23 | Gnea | not_benh: yes, */2 * * * * command <-- run every 2 minutes. |
| 09:51.44 | loca|host | what do u have in your /dev/sd* |
| 09:51.55 | ircdevil | what updates /proc/partions - discover, or hotplug, or what? |
| 09:52.45 | loca|host | kevix, thank you for your help, ca u explain to me what hal will do, i didnt know about it, it seems to be a 'Hardware Abstraction Layer' |
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| 09:52.48 | w3rdn4 | Funniest analogy I have read so far, "Opinions are like assholes... (everybody has one)" ~Tranceaddict Forums~ |
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| 09:53.05 | loca|host | ircdevil, what do u have in your /dev/sd* |
| 09:53.18 | Gnea | w3rdn4: it's true. |
| 09:53.45 | ircdevil | loca|host: a-h |
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| 09:54.39 | loca|host | ok try this : mkdir /mnt/test;mount -t auto /dev/sda /mnt/test;ls -l /mnt/test |
| 09:55.05 | Gnea | loca|host: bad idea. |
| 09:55.06 | not_benh | Gnea: I guess I'm more wondering if the */? can span hours |
| 09:55.16 | not_benh | Gnea: but thatnks for checking on that for me |
| 09:55.17 | loca|host | Gnea, why |
| 09:55.25 | Gnea | not_benh: only if you specify in the second field. |
| 09:55.28 | ircdevil | loca|host: that is pretty much guesswork ? |
| 09:55.47 | Gnea | loca|host: /dev/sda is the entire disk - you don't mount an entire disk, you mount partitions of a disk. |
| 09:55.49 | bumpsh3r | mount /dev/sdax |
| 09:55.57 | Gnea | like /dev/sda1 |
| 09:56.02 | bumpsh3r | need the partition to mount |
| 09:56.07 | loca|host | ircdevil, ok to be sure, do an fdisk -l /dev/sda it will show you inormations abot it |
| 09:56.09 | not_benh | Gnea: so if I wanted something to run every 45 minutes... (:00 :45 :30: 15) then that would be */45 * * * * right? |
| 09:56.23 | Gnea | not_benh: yes. |
| 09:56.28 | not_benh | Gnea: cool |
| 09:56.29 | not_benh | thanks |
| 09:56.32 | loca|host | not_benh, yes |
| 09:56.41 | Gnea | np |
| 09:56.47 | not_benh | thanks loca|host |
| 09:56.52 | kevix | loca|host: folks say if you install udev, g-v-m and hal, it will automount most removable drives. not sure of all the details. |
| 09:57.05 | usn | hi all |
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| 09:57.24 | w3rdn4 | how d o I instlal a .run file? |
| 09:57.26 | loca|host | ahh ok kevix , it's a sort of autofs under redhat arch ? |
| 09:57.36 | loca|host | w3rdn4, run it :) |
| 09:57.42 | bumpsh3r | chmod +x and execute it |
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| 09:57.43 | loca|host | ircdevil, what's new |
| 09:57.53 | w3rdn4 | loca|host, like ./filename.run |
| 09:58.00 | ircdevil | loca|host: ok - found it. but its a bit annoying, that you need to go over all the possible dev. why wouldnt it show in /proc/partitions? |
| 09:58.06 | loca|host | chmox +x filename.run before |
| 09:58.20 | kevix | loca|host: debian has autofs. |
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| 09:58.36 | loca|host | kevix, howto activate it so |
| 09:58.44 | bumpsh3r | ugh, anyone else try the madwifi atheros driver in here? |
| 09:58.57 | loca|host | ircdevil, in /proc/partitions it seems to show hd's partitions only |
| 09:59.00 | Gnea | bumpsh3r: yeah |
| 09:59.10 | bumpsh3r | did it seem buggy or unstable to you? |
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| 09:59.22 | loca|host | ircdevil, did you try the fdisk -l ? |
| 09:59.23 | Gnea | it works, but scanning didn't work |
| 09:59.41 | Gnea | i had to set variables statically |
| 10:00.03 | bumpsh3r | i'm only trying to use it for net connection and it's speed is very poor, on my fc install is would time-out a lot too |
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| 10:00.18 | Gnea | hrm, could be the card |
| 10:00.21 | loca|host | howto scan a range of ip's for a unique given port with nmap ? i didnt found it |
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| 10:00.25 | w3rdn4 | run hydrogen-linux-installer-0.9.2-x86.run |
| 10:00.25 | w3rdn4 | bash: run: command not found |
| 10:00.28 | Gnea | what kind of router do you have? |
| 10:00.36 | bumpsh3r | I don't want to blame the card, it works fine in...that other operating system |
| 10:00.54 | bumpsh3r | linksys wireless b router |
| 10:00.59 | Gnea | loca|host: howto piss a bunch of people off and send them after you? |
| 10:01.15 | Gnea | ah ok |
| 10:01.22 | Gnea | wish i knew |
| 10:01.43 | bumpsh3r | lolGnea |
| 10:01.54 | Gnea | :) |
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| 10:02.17 | loca|host | lol Gnea didnt mean that man ! just looking 4 help |
| 10:02.18 | bumpsh3r | nmap --help|less will tell you everything u need to know about nmap |
| 10:02.26 | livinded | how do i set my broadcast ip? |
| 10:02.38 | loca|host | bumpsh3r, i saw that and didnt found it |
| 10:02.52 | Gnea | loca|host: any competant admin would see your scan and promptly report you. |
| 10:02.54 | w3rdn4 | w3rdn4:/home/w3rdn4/Desktop/Downloads# /home/w3rdn4/Desktop/Downloads/hydrogen-linux-installer-0.9.2-x86.run |
| 10:02.54 | w3rdn4 | bash: /home/w3rdn4/Desktop/Downloads/hydrogen-linux-installer-0.9.2-x86.run: Permission denied |
| 10:02.55 | loca|host | livinded, /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:03.05 | livinded | ya i'm there |
| 10:03.09 | bumpsh3r | nmap -p[portrange-to] ip1,ip2,ip3-10 |
| 10:03.12 | Gnea | w3rdn4: why? |
| 10:03.18 | Gnea | w3rdn4: hydrogen is in apt |
| 10:03.19 | livinded | just broadcast 192.168.1.1? |
| 10:03.39 | w3rdn4 | I need 0.9.2 |
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| 10:03.46 | bumpsh3r | that's just a very very very very very vey very slim down cmd line for it |
| 10:03.47 | loca|host | Gnea, searching for ftp open ports in my lan isnt a crime |
| 10:03.47 | w3rdn4 | it allows me to export my beats in midi format |
| 10:03.59 | loca|host | bumpsh3r, thx |
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| 10:04.23 | bumpsh3r | in that case nmap -p21 x.x.x.x/24 |
| 10:04.42 | elvirolo | hi all |
| 10:04.53 | bumpsh3r | oops -p 21 |
| 10:05.03 | w3rdn4 | hmm how do I update my kde menus so that all the new applications installed will show up?? |
| 10:05.12 | elvirolo | how do i know where the menu entry is for a particular app (using KDE) ? |
| 10:05.34 | Gnea | w3rdn4: 0.9.2 is in unstable, find a backport |
| 10:05.36 | Gnea | !backport |
| 10:05.36 | dpkg | i heard backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 10:05.43 | bumpsh3r | w3rdn4: don't know for sure but i'd try ctrl+r |
| 10:05.46 | kevix | w3rdn4: update-menues (assuming it uses xdg) |
| 10:05.56 | Gnea | w3rdn4: i know, i'm running it now :) |
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| 10:06.35 | SimonRaven | update-menus; and it's not only for xdg stuffs |
| 10:06.40 | bumpsh3r | loca|host: yw |
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| 10:07.15 | bumpsh3r | Gnea: you think it's because of my router? |
| 10:07.35 | w3rdn4 | !xdg |
| 10:07.46 | Spliffster | php 4.4.0-4 is broken and should not ship with sarge/stable (i just got the update on testing and many we apps dont work anymore) |
| 10:07.55 | kevix | SimonRaven: so if he installs a tgz of hydrogen, how would the menus get updated? vi ??? |
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| 10:11.04 | TTT | Gnea: hmm, I got 2.6.12 up, but now I figured out the problem is with X. If I go to VT1..6 using chvt, i can switch between them, if I go to X (vt7), i cannot switch back. I'm running x.org+gdm+xfce, I wonder what's farked up this time |
| 10:11.09 | livinded | whats wrong with this interfaces config http://pastebin.com/419134 |
| 10:11.21 | livinded | for some reason it wont broadcast |
| 10:11.39 | livinded | but i can connect through my network |
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| 10:11.51 | Gnea | TTT: what video card? |
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| 10:12.44 | Gnea | livinded: broadcast should be 192.168.1.255 and add: network 192.168.1.0 |
| 10:12.53 | TTT | radeon 9250, open-source drivers, 3d acceleration up and running |
| 10:13.00 | livinded | but my router is 192.168.1.1 |
| 10:13.05 | TTT | i think X/gdm config is borked |
| 10:13.11 | livinded | shouldn't that be the broadcast |
| 10:13.12 | Gnea | livinded: then add also: gateway 192.168.1.1 |
| 10:13.18 | livinded | oh |
| 10:13.25 | Gnea | no, broadcast is always the last ip of the default range. |
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| 10:14.04 | Gnea | livinded: apt-get install sipcalc && sipcalc 192.168.1.1/24 |
| 10:14.06 | livinded | how do i reload my eth0 without rebooting? |
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| 10:14.13 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:14.23 | w3rdn4 | Gnea, Where did you find 0.9.2 ? |
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| 10:14.25 | livinded | sorry i'm new to debian |
| 10:14.35 | livinded | i usually use gentoo so the init scripts are different |
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| 10:14.45 | w3rdn4 | is there a way I can build the debian package from a binary file? |
| 10:14.47 | Gnea | TTT: it could be gdm - i would try out startx |
| 10:14.48 | bumpsh3r | hey |
| 10:14.53 | bumpsh3r | my connection popped out of it's socket |
| 10:14.59 | bumpsh3r | lol |
| 10:15.13 | Gnea | bumpsh3r: was it dirty? ;) |
| 10:15.50 | w3rdn4 | is there a way to build a debian package from a .run file? |
| 10:15.53 | bumpsh3r | ohhhh it was dirty alright |
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| 10:16.22 | Gnea | cool |
| 10:16.34 | Gnea | w3rdn4: there's no backport? |
| 10:17.03 | livinded | onc ei download the kernel sources do i just edit them, compile and will it autoamticall move to the /boot/ |
| 10:17.04 | jab2 | w3rdn4: what is a .run file? |
| 10:17.06 | w3rdn4 | did not find anything on the website |
| 10:17.21 | w3rdn4 | filename.run |
| 10:17.38 | bumpsh3r | not if you're compiling from "fresh pristine" source |
| 10:17.54 | jab2 | w3rdn4: can you point to an example? |
| 10:18.09 | livinded | i just did apt-get install linux-source-2.6.12 |
| 10:18.11 | Gnea | w3rdn4: you searched only for 'hydrogen' and found none? |
| 10:18.13 | bumpsh3r | u have to cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/whateveryouwanttocallit |
| 10:18.18 | w3rdn4 | Gnea, correct |
| 10:18.21 | bumpsh3r | and make modules_install |
| 10:18.23 | w3rdn4 | I found one source let me try it |
| 10:18.40 | livinded | ya i do make && make modules_install |
| 10:18.41 | Gnea | bumpsh3r: these days, make install and make modules_install does all of that |
| 10:18.42 | bumpsh3r | also may need to do initrd depending on how you set it up |
| 10:18.51 | bumpsh3r | copies bzImage too ? |
| 10:19.23 | livinded | where does it put the sources? |
| 10:19.32 | Gnea | make menu|oldconfig && make && make install && make modules_install && vi /boot/grub/menu.lst && reboot |
| 10:19.37 | Gnea | livinded: /usr/src |
| 10:20.16 | Gnea | bumpsh3r: does the bzImage, the System.map, all the proper symlinks |
| 10:20.27 | livinded | theres only 1 symlink |
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| 10:20.40 | w3rdn4 | hmm |
| 10:20.42 | bumpsh3r | o.o ohhhhh |
| 10:20.43 | Gnea | livinded: it only installed a tarball, you have to untar it |
| 10:20.50 | livinded | ya i am right now |
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| 10:21.14 | Gnea | i usually go crazy and tweak every little thing :) |
| 10:21.24 | bumpsh3r | Gnea: does make install do initrd image as well if necessary? |
| 10:21.30 | livinded | well i'm used to gentoo so i compile it form source anyways |
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| 10:21.48 | livinded | i'me used to compiling kernels and editing them |
| 10:21.48 | jab2 | is anyone running a 2.6.14 kernel? |
| 10:21.49 | pavlix | hi |
| 10:21.56 | Gnea | bumpsh3r: i don't use initrd, i find it's a waste of time - but there are uses for it - i believe there's another step or 3 involved, i don't recall which |
| 10:21.58 | livinded | i was running 2.6.14 before i switche dto debia |
| 10:22.03 | kevix | jab2: just ask the question.... |
| 10:22.17 | Gnea | !anyone |
| 10:22.17 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 10:22.23 | pavlix | I was trying to install amarok and kaffeine in debian testing |
| 10:22.24 | jab2 | I'm trying to figure out why the amd64 kernel in debian is a revision behind |
| 10:22.25 | pavlix | no way.... |
| 10:22.34 | pavlix | see http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=kaffeine&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all |
| 10:22.37 | jab2 | and whether to wait for it to catch up |
| 10:22.44 | bumpsh3r | mkinitrd /boot/nameit.img $(uname -r) |
| 10:22.54 | pavlix | that amarok is in unstable and stable but not in testing |
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| 10:23.03 | jab2 | Maybe 2.6.14-1 has some scary gotchas |
| 10:23.04 | kevix | jab2: the most common answer: it takes SOMEONES time or its not tested enought. |
| 10:23.23 | Gnea | pavlix: many packages are that way - testing is called 'testing' for a reason. |
| 10:23.43 | bumpsh3r | may explain my "buggy" atheros card |
| 10:23.53 | jab2 | I thought AMD64 automatically tracked sid, so it's weird to see the discrepency |
| 10:23.57 | Gnea | pavlix: it's likely got some really nasty bug that they're working on, eventually it will get included again |
| 10:24.06 | jab2 | bumpsh3r, are you running 2.6.14-1 or 2.6.14-2 ? |
| 10:24.23 | bumpsh3r | just 2.6.14 pristine from kernel.org |
| 10:24.27 | livinded | eh? |
| 10:24.28 | kevix | pavlix: all packages enter unstable, after some testing, it goes into testing, if the testing version has a bug, it is removed. |
| 10:24.29 | Gnea | jab2: amd64 is still catching up - the 64bit world is not as solidified as the 32bit world is |
| 10:24.33 | w3rdn4 | You have new mail in /var/mail/w3rdn4 |
| 10:24.37 | w3rdn4 | how do I check my mail? |
| 10:24.41 | livinded | it wont let me make menuconfig |
| 10:24.42 | bumpsh3r | mail |
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| 10:24.59 | Gnea | livinded: install libncurses5-dev |
| 10:25.01 | pavlix | kevix: thanks for the info, I didn't know |
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| 10:25.08 | pavlix | Gnea: thanks too |
| 10:25.13 | Gnea | np |
| 10:25.16 | bumpsh3r | w3rdn4: mail |
| 10:25.26 | w3rdn4 | sweet |
| 10:25.42 | takatumi | bumpsh3r: madwifi works fine here in 2.6.14 from kernel.org |
| 10:25.45 | w3rdn4 | the mail was of me using sudo as a user |
| 10:26.08 | kevix | pavlix: if you want to see my debian developemtn diagram, go to http://debian.home.pipeline.com it has MUCH info |
| 10:26.28 | bumpsh3r | takatumi: hmmm...ty, wonder if it's cause I'm a little far from the base station...but my laptop wifi is fine |
| 10:26.46 | bumpsh3r | i'll have to dive into and figure it out |
| 10:26.47 | jab2 | Gnea: does the amd64 port automatically track sid? (maybe the kernel is an exception?) |
| 10:26.57 | olczyk | I've built a kernel which gives me a panic when I boot into it. :( I am diffing the configuration with my old kernels configuration. How can I find out what each configuration symbol stands for? |
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| 10:27.31 | takatumi | bumpsh3r: not sure, #madwifi might know. |
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| 10:28.14 | livinded | whats libncurses5-dev? |
| 10:28.19 | kevix | jab2: all archs are the same. they all have stable, testing, and unstable. its the developement model. |
| 10:28.36 | Zub | hello, is there some way to keep a debian sid updated on a machine with no inet connection? apt-zip would do the job? are there better things? |
| 10:28.40 | bumpsh3r | takatumi: ty, i'll try that out after I try a few things on my end first. |
| 10:29.09 | livinded | why am i getting -bash: make: command not found |
| 10:29.55 | Phated | livinded: apt-get install build-essential |
| 10:30.07 | kevix | Zub: if you have no net connection, that eliminates many security issues. so if you use apt-zip, they would be the best. |
| 10:30.27 | livinded | what in build-essential that debian doesn't come with? |
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| 10:30.56 | kevix | livinded: the base install doesnt install everything needed for compilation. |
| 10:31.34 | livinded | oh |
| 10:31.41 | Zub | kevix, as far as i know apt-zip requires inet connection to download something |
| 10:31.44 | kevix | livinded: apt-cache show build-essential |
| 10:32.16 | jab2 | kevix: all right, I'm going to install kernel 2.6.14-1 on amd64/sid despite other arches having 2.6.14-2 in side |
| 10:32.30 | jab2 | kevix: s/side/sid/ |
| 10:32.32 | kevix | Zub: well how else do you get software updates? 1) download deb 2) buy cd ? |
| 10:32.32 | livinded | why doesn't it come with the stuff needed to compile? |
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| 10:32.56 | kevix | livinded: not every one compiles stuff and security risk |
| 10:33.11 | Gnea | jab2: did you install a debian-amd64? |
| 10:33.14 | livinded | why is it a security risk? |
| 10:33.20 | pavlix | kevix: quite a large thing, that diagram... nice |
| 10:33.25 | livinded | becuase peopel can compile local exploits? |
| 10:33.32 | kevix | pavlix: thx! |
| 10:33.39 | Gnea | livinded: just apt-get install make and be done with it |
| 10:33.47 | livinded | i did |
| 10:33.55 | livinded | i'm just curious why they wouldn't include it |
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| 10:34.08 | Gnea | it's meant to be installed |
| 10:34.14 | Gnea | not everyone is a developer |
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| 10:34.32 | jab2 | Gnea: yes. It currently runs a 2.6.12 kernel |
| 10:34.44 | Zub | kevix, i'm thinking of some app that downloads updated packages, saves them on a usb hd or pen |
| 10:34.45 | Gnea | that's like asking why windows doesn't come with a copy of Visual C compiler heh |
| 10:34.52 | livinded | not really |
| 10:34.54 | Gnea | hrm |
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| 10:34.56 | Gnea | bad analogy |
| 10:35.02 | Gnea | but true |
| 10:35.10 | kevix | Zub: and they dont use an internet connection? |
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| 10:35.12 | livinded | most people running windows never compile anything |
| 10:35.18 | Gnea | jab2: ah cool |
| 10:35.38 | Gnea | most people don't even know what a compiler is |
| 10:36.01 | Zub | kevix, imagine, you have sid on your home pc, you don't have inet connection, but you have it at work |
| 10:36.03 | jab2 | Gnea: I'm just trying to get a feel whether to upgrade the kernel now or wait for 2.6.14-2 on amd64 |
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| 10:36.09 | kevix | Gnea: not to mention the $400 bucks or so. |
| 10:36.11 | jab2 | Gnea: clearly nobody knows. :) |
| 10:37.17 | kevix | Zub: I think there may be a script somewhere. I know if you use 'apt-get --print-uris ...' you can 'wget ...' the debs and put them on something. |
| 10:37.49 | w3rdn4 | anyone know how to use vsti ? |
| 10:38.10 | Zub | kevix, that's ok for the apt-get upgrade part, how about apt-get update? |
| 10:38.12 | d4s | anyone has successful experience with usb to serial cable? |
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| 10:38.22 | kevix | w3rdn4: it is best to just to explain the problem you have... |
| 10:39.05 | rohal | anyone here using FLUXBOX? |
| 10:39.25 | kevix | Zub: I think apt-zip does something for that, but I've never used it. I think you would 'wget Packages.gz' and such, but this is only a guess. |
| 10:39.39 | rohal | anyone here using FLUXBOX...i am unable to configure shortcutkeys? |
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| 10:39.50 | bbrazil | rohal: bbkeys |
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| 10:40.20 | Zub | kevix, yes, i think so, i just wanted to know it there were some app that does it automagically :) thank you |
| 10:40.22 | bbrazil | rohal: sorry, was thinking of blackbox |
| 10:40.32 | jab2 | Wow! The mirror I'm using (debian.csail.mit.edu) is behind! |
| 10:40.43 | rohal | bbrazil: can u tell me what key is this Mod1 f :ExecCommand xterm |
| 10:40.49 | kevix | Zub: I'm getting apt-zip... now. but from the descrition, it should be it. |
| 10:41.14 | jab2 | Apparently 2.6.14-2 for amd64 has been out since Nov 2 |
| 10:41.18 | Zub | kevix, afaik it needs a net connection to do the "update" part |
| 10:41.19 | bbrazil | rohal: alt-f at a guess |
| 10:41.24 | jab2 | http://amd64.debian.net/debian-amd64/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/ |
| 10:41.37 | livinded | hmmm it wont let em exclude scsi |
| 10:42.12 | rohal | bbrazil: doesnt work....anyway which one u feel is better flux or blackbox? |
| 10:44.00 | Guerin | rohal: #fluxbox |
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| 10:47.16 | Gnea | damnit, rssh isn't working right |
| 10:47.57 | Gnea | errr |
| 10:48.03 | Gnea | probably would help if i edited the config file |
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| 10:48.12 | elvirolo | hi all |
| 10:48.24 | elvirolo | the lilypond package in sid looks broken |
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| 10:49.15 | Gnea | elvirolo: sid is broken. |
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| 10:49.32 | Gnea | but one day, it may become usable again |
| 10:49.36 | elvirolo | what do you mean ? |
| 10:49.41 | elvirolo | oh |
| 10:49.47 | Gnea | i mean what i said |
| 10:49.48 | elvirolo | yeah, i know that |
| 10:49.51 | Gnea | :) |
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| 10:49.58 | shastry | Gnea: yes but its meant to be fixed :P |
| 10:50.00 | elvirolo | i just wanted to know if i had to report it |
| 10:50.07 | Gnea | shastry: of course |
| 10:50.22 | Gnea | elvirolo: check to see if there's a bug already |
| 10:50.23 | Gnea | !bts |
| 10:50.24 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
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| 10:50.38 | Gnea | elvirolo: if not, go ahead and file one :) |
| 10:50.55 | elvirolo | ok thanks |
| 10:51.00 | Gnea | good luck |
| 10:51.13 | elvirolo | :) |
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| 10:54.11 | kevix | Zub: apt-zip doesnt need a net connection to work. but it doesnt update the package database. |
| 10:54.44 | w3rdn4 | for some reason my usb midi keyboard does not show up under qjackctl midi |
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| 10:54.58 | w3rdn4 | how do I get the midi to work, I am using alsa as my sound module |
| 10:55.11 | kevix | w3rdn4: does it showup under 'lsusb' |
| 10:55.54 | w3rdn4 | Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0582:0009 Roland Corp. |
| 10:55.56 | w3rdn4 | sure does |
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| 10:57.03 | kevix | w3rdn4: ok so that elim. any kernel/module or usb issues. |
| 10:57.15 | livinded | how do i remove a symbolic link? |
| 10:57.17 | Zub | kevix, if it doesnt update the package database it requires some sort of net connection to be able to update the system |
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| 10:58.17 | nkuttler | livinded: rm linkname |
| 10:58.21 | kevix | Zub: it outputs a script that you save on a floppy or usb disk. this script then downloads the files on to the usb disk. |
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| 10:58.58 | TTT | Gnea: heh, i got it working. xkb was horribly broken |
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| 10:59.32 | TTT | i didn't know that broken xkb makes it not possible to switch consoles :-\ |
| 10:59.36 | Zub | kevix, yes, i see, but, how to update the package database without apt-get update and no net connection? getting some Packages.gz? |
| 10:59.38 | Fleck | bzlib.h << not found - in which dev package is that file? |
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| 10:59.48 | kevix | w3rdn4: what device does the kbd showup as /dev/midikdb ? |
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| 11:00.42 | nkuttler | Fleck: /msg dpkg search |
| 11:00.56 | kevix | Zub: the script only uses your current files. I'm sure someone has made a script to do this. just havent found it yet. |
| 11:01.08 | z1ng3r | Fleck tas ir ieksh libbz2-dev |
| 11:01.13 | Zub | kevix, i'm searching too |
| 11:01.30 | psycodad | any1 got a link to a good howto on chroots on debian ? tia. |
| 11:01.35 | Fleck | z1ng3r paldies :) hehe |
| 11:01.41 | z1ng3r | :) |
| 11:01.56 | nekostar | arg |
| 11:02.01 | nkuttler | Zub: do you have an official cd? |
| 11:02.03 | nekostar | how is debian default |
| 11:02.04 | nekostar | i mean |
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| 11:02.11 | nekostar | are all ports completely open? |
| 11:02.14 | kevix | Zub: its basically. wget http:..../Packages.gz and then rename it to /var/.....Packages. |
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| 11:02.17 | Fleck | z1ng3r no Riigas? |
| 11:02.41 | z1ng3r | Fleck te hulis :) |
| 11:02.44 | Zub | nkuttler, i'll download sid on 3 dvds or something |
| 11:02.47 | Fleck | aa sk |
| 11:03.40 | kevix | nekostar: if you want to close ports, install a firewall. |
| 11:03.48 | Fleck | paarraxtiij deb, taat netiik mekleet kur tas fails |
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| 11:04.24 | w3rdn4 | kevix, how do I find that? |
| 11:04.27 | kevix | does anyone have a babelfish? I think this channel went norwegian or something x-) |
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| 11:04.49 | nekostar | kevix, my exact problem atm is im using ubuntu and though they claim that ports are open by default its really not right.. and im having a heck of a time making azureus work !_! so basically i want to make the move to debian |
| 11:04.56 | kevix | w3rdn4: well anything new is usually noted in /var/log/messages . |
| 11:05.14 | brosioz | tcp6 0 0 ::ffff:127.0.0.1:6880 :::* LISTEN |
| 11:05.27 | brosioz | how could i now what processi is that ? |
| 11:05.48 | kevix | nekostar: they are correct. unless you install a firewall. OR YOUR ISP has one! |
| 11:06.15 | Fleck | brosioz use -p |
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| 11:06.35 | brosioz | -p |
| 11:06.38 | brosioz | on netstat |
| 11:06.39 | brosioz | ? |
| 11:06.41 | z1ng3r | yes |
| 11:06.48 | kevix | nekostar: do 'iptables -L' if you see something, then you have a firewall. |
| 11:06.51 | brosioz | thx |
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| 11:07.32 | brosioz | wow |
| 11:07.33 | w3rdn4 | w3rdn4, it does not seem to have installed anything for it on bootup |
| 11:07.33 | brosioz | nice |
| 11:07.48 | brosioz | i always use |
| 11:07.50 | brosioz | fuser |
| 11:07.55 | brosioz | but it's nice option |
| 11:07.57 | brosioz | -p |
| 11:07.57 | brosioz | :D |
| 11:07.59 | brosioz | thx |
| 11:08.33 | kevix | w3rdn4: if you unplug and then replug your kdb, somethig should show up. |
| 11:08.44 | nekostar | kevix, i made one for a daemon but it doesnt work |
| 11:08.53 | nekostar | i did not have one prior to that but it was still borked |
| 11:09.07 | w3rdn4 | kevix, in the message log/ |
| 11:09.07 | nekostar | and i KNOW i did my porting right on my router so that is not the issue |
| 11:09.08 | nekostar | :D |
| 11:09.40 | kevix | w3rdn4: tail -f /var/log/messages |
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| 11:10.14 | w3rdn4 | posting the messagein flood ok? |
| 11:10.21 | kevix | nekostar: did you google on any HOWTOs? there has to be at least one for this azerus. |
| 11:10.31 | kevix | w3rdn4: fine. |
| 11:11.13 | nekostar | kevix, its not azureus thats the problem its my iptables.. even when i turn it off its still not letting my programs map tcp/udp ports etc. |
| 11:11.13 | TTT | hmm, nice, emule seems to work fine with winemu |
| 11:11.15 | nekostar | meh |
| 11:11.21 | livinded | if i exclude a part int eh kernel but leave the things within them as modules will it still compile them as modules? |
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| 11:11.48 | nekostar | kevix, i have a atholon xp 2000+ processor what iso should i get to install debian |
| 11:12.06 | livinded | like do i need to exclude everythign in the tree as well? |
| 11:12.34 | brosioz | how could i bind samba to my 192.168.1.0/24 subnet ? I've alredy put allow hosts = 192.168.1.0/24 but netstat show me that tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:139 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 5217/smbd, anyone could help ? |
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| 11:13.30 | z1ng3r | brosioz this is not wrong |
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| 11:14.25 | brosioz | z1ng3r, but i want to bind it like mysqld to my local subnet |
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| 11:15.24 | EdLin | !d-i nekostar |
| 11:15.27 | dpkg | nekostar, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 11:15.46 | possie | when i try to rewind my tape drive (at other location) i get input/output error, now i'm at a remote location, so i'm wondering if the tape is ejected perhaps, is there away to detect a tape in a tapedrive ? |
| 11:17.02 | wind | hello |
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| 11:17.27 | wind | where am i? |
| 11:17.39 | z1ng3r | in hell :) |
| 11:17.45 | Mage__ | here -> * |
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| 11:18.15 | wind | which country? |
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| 11:19.56 | maxweber | wind: ? more concrete? |
| 11:19.57 | bumpsh3r | this is hell? |
| 11:20.06 | bumpsh3r | i thought it was kind of hot |
| 11:20.56 | z1ng3r | brosioz try this in your smb.conf: interfaces = 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0 and bind interfaces only = Yes |
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| 11:21.18 | brosioz | z1ng3r, thx |
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| 11:22.24 | brosioz | z1ng3r, perfect works |
| 11:22.26 | brosioz | thx |
| 11:22.39 | z1ng3r | yes yes... :D |
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| 11:23.26 | brosioz | now remain to bind only cupsd :D |
| 11:24.00 | z1ng3r | to your subnet ? |
| 11:24.06 | brosioz | yes |
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| 11:25.20 | Miesco | How come any webbrowser I have crashes when I download something |
| 11:25.24 | Miesco | Something pretty big |
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| 11:25.41 | Miesco | Like a song |
| 11:25.54 | brosioz | found |
| 11:26.01 | brosioz | all okz |
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| 11:26.46 | scanwinder | deadcat: what command do i use to get module-assistant to get madwifi modules working? - ive got module-assistant working now |
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| 11:27.24 | scanwinder | how do i add the madwifi modules with module-assistant? |
| 11:27.26 | bumpsh3r | wish I could help u, I just compiled and installed mine |
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| 11:27.36 | bumpsh3r | don't know how to use module-assistant |
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| 11:27.52 | resiak | !madwifi |
| 11:27.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, madwifi is http://www.mattfoster.clara.co.uk/madwifi ,-faq.htm , or http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi , or #madwifi, or to install madwifi drivers built against standard Debian kernel images (sarge/sid only) see '/msg dpkg madwifi-install' |
| 11:28.09 | misieq | i'm trying to install debian over network on compaq deskpro, but deb-inst cannot see my hard disks.... any idea? |
| 11:28.13 | kevix | scanwinder: type 'module-assistant' and follow the directions. |
| 11:28.18 | flawd | I'm about to install gnome on sarge. I see the "gnome" package seems to have A LOT of stuff in it. How sufficient is the gnome-core package to just get the desktop up? |
| 11:28.31 | flawd | do I get applets and things? Is it usable? |
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| 11:28.51 | bumpsh3r | gnome rocks ;) |
| 11:29.10 | kevix | flawd: apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment |
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| 11:30.27 | z1ng3r | brosioz have you found parameters for cups ? |
| 11:30.39 | brosioz | z1ng3r, yes thx |
| 11:30.43 | z1ng3r | ok |
| 11:30.50 | Eulex | flawd, why not just do apt-cache show gnome-core and see what you would get? |
| 11:31.02 | brosioz | too polite people in this channel :D |
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| 11:31.49 | kevix | brosioz: if you want REAL polite, try #ubuntu |
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| 11:33.45 | mymayer | is it allowed/possible to mount the /tmp partition with "noexec" ? |
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| 11:34.36 | kevix | mymayer: try it. |
| 11:34.38 | mymayer | abrotman think you are the guru in here :) |
| 11:35.11 | mymayer | kevix : what iam suggest, during package installation or compiling surely some scripts are run under /tmp, or ? |
| 11:35.51 | olczyk | Is there someplace to look to find out what each CONFIG_* option in the kernel stands for? |
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| 11:36.13 | kevix | mymayer: maybe. |
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| 11:36.33 | kevix | olczyk: ask here. we may know. |
| 11:36.36 | mymayer | a "model" question : when iam mouting a partition with "noexec", but i want to have a chroot there, which runs a daemon, then this is not possible, or ? |
| 11:37.06 | olczyk | kevix, I have more than 200 :( |
| 11:37.33 | kevix | olczyk: ask them one at at time x-) |
| 11:37.39 | mymayer | google : kernel XX + command + config olczyk ? |
| 11:37.49 | mymayer | maybe + debian |
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| 11:38.11 | kevix | mymayer: dont know about chroots, need someone who does dev work. |
| 11:38.17 | TheCount | mymayer: correct |
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| 11:38.52 | mymayer | TheCount is it possible to mount "exec" partition in a "nonexep" partition ? |
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| 11:39.18 | mymayer | lets say /home/storage [noexec and /home/storage/chroot [exec] |
| 11:39.25 | TheCount | mymayer: yes, it would be an entirely different mountpoint |
| 11:39.34 | takatumi | olczyk: try hitting '?' in menuconfig on each option. |
| 11:39.35 | flawd | <dpkg> Don't use http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/, but see http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ < why? |
| 11:40.16 | TheCount | flawd: well, see page? ;) |
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| 11:40.45 | mymayer | Ah thank you, TheCount. Is it only possible to mount hole "partitions" that way, or just a direcetory too ? I think it should work with dirs too, thats how i think dirs/files & moutning is implemented |
| 11:41.19 | TheCount | mymayer: I hope you mean 'whole' ;) *g* |
| 11:41.22 | doks | hello iam trying to install debian om my workstation but when i start the installation the installation program doesnt detect my networkcard og my satadisk I have a VIA Networkcard GB :/ |
| 11:41.36 | flawd | TheCount, I still do not understand fully. Isn't http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/ the offical testing security updates? |
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| 11:41.48 | TheCount | mymayer: please elaborate on that. most mountpoints are directories provided by filesystems using block devices (i.e. partitions, loopback files, etc) |
| 11:41.49 | doks | i have never had such problems before with gentoo or even freebsd :/ |
| 11:41.54 | flawd | This is another place for security updates for testing that everyone prefers? |
| 11:41.58 | TheCount | flawd: appearently not? ;) |
| 11:42.03 | doks | any ideas how i can fix it? |
| 11:42.13 | olczyk | takatumi, I am not building a kerne I am diffing the config of a kernel that panics with one that does not. So I am sort of trying to guess what each option stands for. |
| 11:42.28 | TheCount | flawd: read the page, damnit ;) *g* testing isn't wise from a security point of view - they're trying to change it, which is what that page is about. |
| 11:42.44 | TheCount | flawd: I'd prefer you to use stable with maybe some packages from unstable. |
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| 11:43.05 | flawd | TheCount, I HAVE read! If I don't understand it I can't help it |
| 11:43.06 | TheCount | doks: you need a different install disc with a newer kernel |
| 11:43.31 | mymayer | TheCount ok, thank you a lot |
| 11:43.50 | flawd | TheCount, Explain to me why http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/ exists and is updated if everyone is recommending to use this other url? |
| 11:44.11 | TheCount | flawd: ok. testing is where packages are migrated after they did well in unstable. packages are going into stable after they did well in testing and a new release is done. |
| 11:44.21 | flawd | TheCount, I know that |
| 11:44.35 | takatumi | olczyk: going through 200 options that way is torture, I would start over from a working config. |
| 11:44.53 | flawd | TheCount, The question is why there are two places for testing security updates |
| 11:44.56 | flawd | it confuses me |
| 11:45.11 | TheCount | flawd: the security team handles 'stable', the developers handle 'unstable' themselves. testing is in a state of limbo, because the security team has a lot to do anyways, and the developers can't get packages cross the unstable/testing border without time passing. so: someone else has to take care of testing security .... making more sense? |
| 11:46.07 | mymayer | Which is the best way to search for packages like "FreeNX" which are not in the Stable version of debian ? |
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| 11:46.28 | kevix | TheCount: that explains why testing gets updated last. |
| 11:46.34 | TheCount | mymayer: if you've already got the corresponding apt source: aptitude or another manager of your choice |
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| 11:46.38 | flawd | TheCount, yes that makes sense, but then, why does security team provide testing updates IF the developer team's testing updates are considered by the whole user group, superior, as I guess it is since it is suggested by the channel to use |
| 11:47.25 | TheCount | kevix: .. and why you shouldn't use it without reason. stick to stable, configure unstable sources as well, add 'APT::Default-Release "stable";' to your apt configuration, be happy and secure. my personal opinion. |
| 11:47.50 | orchid | mymayer: use backports or private sources at your own risk though |
| 11:47.54 | TheCount | flawd: because enough dumbos (scnr) seem to be thinking 'testing' was a good choice to run on a regular basis. |
| 11:47.55 | mymayer | TheCount thats the problem, i dont have the apt source. Last time abrotman has searched it for me(but i got to fresh install cause of a HDD crash), now i just want to know how to search that stuff on my own |
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| 11:48.16 | kevix | flawd: packages into unstable, then most of them migrate to testing automatically. no intervention. |
| 11:48.27 | flawd | TheCount, I would rather use stable actually, but I accidently upgraded some of the system some time ago, and since a full testing system is better than a broken stable I had to upgrade |
| 11:48.53 | m0rbid | what is the 2.6.* kernel image for k6/2 processors? |
| 11:48.53 | mymayer | there is no backport orchid. Sure its on my own risk. But iam not on that hype : only stable packages at all. Its not a garantue, a package is fullo of sec hole, when its not stable |
| 11:48.58 | TheCount | flawd: http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
| 11:49.00 | flawd | TheCount, I will reinstall stable a beautiful day when I have time |
| 11:49.14 | flawd | TheCount, people here said it was inmpossible to downgrade |
| 11:49.14 | flawd | eh |
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| 11:49.35 | TheCount | flawd: well, it is possible. expect a bumpy road, thou. |
| 11:49.42 | m0rbid | kernel-image-2.6-386 <--- for k6/2 ? |
| 11:50.03 | flawd | ty |
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| 11:50.08 | orchid | mymayer: google:freeNX debian sarge lots of hits |
| 11:50.19 | mymayer | orchid is that the only way |
| 11:50.26 | kevix | TheCount: I downgrade an accidently upgrade package with aptitude in experimental. cool stuff. |
| 11:50.27 | mymayer | is there "rpm seacher" ? |
| 11:50.33 | TheCount | m0rbid: looks like the best you can do to me. |
| 11:50.45 | m0rbid | TheCount: thx. |
| 11:50.45 | mymayer | Just want to know, how its really properly/effizient doen with debian |
| 11:50.46 | kevix | mymayer: apt-cache search XYZ |
| 11:50.54 | TheCount | kevix: oh, haven't done that, how does it work? |
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| 11:51.08 | mymayer | ah ok, but apt serches only the sources, ia have in /etc/apt/sorce-list, or ? |
| 11:51.17 | TheCount | m0rbid: compiling your own optimised variant might gain you a tiny bit of perfomance |
| 11:51.17 | orchid | mymayer: I'm not sure, if it's not in my apt sources I generally don't use it :) |
| 11:51.26 | TheCount | mymayer: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:51.41 | mymayer | TheCount yes ? |
| 11:51.55 | kevix | TheCount: it lists possible upgrade/downgaade choices and you choose which one you want. |
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| 11:52.05 | mymayer | ah i misspelled. I just wrote it down out of my mind :) |
| 11:52.22 | m0rbid | Im trying to get this Multi-head machine to work, but the second monitor only blinks a cursr when "X' is started. |
| 11:52.32 | m0rbid | Im hoping the kernel-upgrade will fix this. |
| 11:52.36 | mymayer | kevix i though i have seen a "downgrade" option under aptitude |
| 11:53.12 | kevix | mymayer: this lists more than one possible scenerios and gives each a weight/score. |
| 11:53.26 | flawd | TheCount, it seems quite advanced and also doesn't fully downgrade. |
| 11:53.34 | m0rbid | when I do startx, the second monitor flashes the Cards bios on the screen, then goes back to cursor. |
| 11:53.47 | TheCount | flawd: you can use apt-show-version to check what it didn't downgrade :) |
| 11:54.29 | mymayer | orchid how to search just in surces of debia testing or debian unstable ? |
| 11:54.41 | flawd | TheCount, well if it doesn't downgrade everything, then I will have a broken system anyway right. |
| 11:54.49 | TheCount | flawd: I have 'APT::Default-Release "stable";' in a file I called /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01release and both stable and unstable sources in /etc/apt/sources.list - you can do it there |
| 11:55.01 | m0rbid | anyone know of a good multihead tutorial? |
| 11:55.03 | TheCount | flawd: it downgrades the stuff which depends on each other |
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| 11:55.07 | flawd | In the sense of not everything being security updated etc |
| 11:55.12 | mymayer | kevix how do you mean that ? sorry iam not that used to debia, iam working on it for 2 days now |
| 11:55.23 | orchid | mymayer: packages.debian.org |
| 11:55.25 | dvsdude | m0rbid, have u check /var/log/ xorg or xfree |
| 11:55.26 | mymayer | ok |
| 11:55.27 | flawd | hmm |
| 11:55.31 | mymayer | orchid : thank you |
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| 11:55.35 | debugger | hello |
| 11:55.39 | kevix | mymayer: sorry I meant it for TheCount |
| 11:55.40 | m0rbid | dvsdude: for errors? |
| 11:55.44 | mymayer | Ah ok |
| 11:55.46 | dvsdude | m0rbid, yep |
| 11:55.51 | kevix | TheCount: this lists more than one possible scenerios and gives each a weight/score. |
| 11:55.58 | m0rbid | dvsdude: nah, good idea I spose.heh |
| 11:56.00 | m0rbid | brb |
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| 11:56.21 | debugger | how do I remove the config file from a removed package? "apt-get --purge remove package" does not work because it says the package is not installed. |
| 11:56.23 | kevix | m0rbid: have you tried using 'X -configure' to see if it can make a test config file |
| 11:56.24 | dvsdude | m0rbid, first place to start id say |
| 11:56.31 | TheCount | kevix: ok, if I'm in aptitude in the list of installed packages, what do I do? |
| 11:56.48 | mymayer | abrotman are you there ? where did you find that freenx sources ?! |
| 11:57.26 | kevix | TheCount: 'g' to remove/install/upgrade and then it shows menu option on the bottom of the screen to change your choice. |
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| 11:57.33 | orchid | debugger: if you removed the package wityhout --purge, you will now most likely have to find and remove the conf file(s) manually |
| 11:57.34 | TheCount | mymayer: deb http://kanotix.com/files/debian ./ |
| 11:58.00 | kevix | debugger: IIRC 'dpkg --purge PKG' |
| 11:58.08 | mymayer | TheCount how did you found that now, count ? |
| 11:58.13 | debugger | kevix, ah thx :) |
| 11:58.21 | TheCount | kevix: seems like I need to update my aptitude. hm. |
| 11:58.32 | debugger | orchid, there is a better way :) |
| 11:58.43 | orchid | ahh yeah |
| 11:58.46 | TheCount | mymayer: google, 'freenx apt debian', link http://lists.debian.org/debian-testing/2005/03/msg00149.html .. in the reply. |
| 11:59.03 | kevix | TheCount: the problem is that if you upgrade, it want to install the sid version, which IIRC doesnt have the feature. |
| 11:59.04 | mymayer | so through google. Ok there is now other way. fine |
| 11:59.05 | dvsdude | m0rbid, i know this is for gentoo but there how tos arent bad http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Dual_Monitors |
| 11:59.14 | mymayer | Thank you TheCount |
| 11:59.23 | m0rbid | dvsdude: thanks, Ill check it out |
| 11:59.31 | dvsdude | m0rbid, np |
| 11:59.56 | TheCount | kevix: the sid version doesn't have that feature? HUH? |
| 12:00.00 | TheCount | kevix: which one does? |
| 12:00.08 | kevix | debugger: you cando'apt-get r --purge remove ' or 'apt-get remove'. if you do the latter, the former will not work. |
| 12:00.22 | kevix | TheCount: -t experimental |
| 12:00.23 | TheCount | kevix: mine in stable didn't have it appearently |
| 12:00.28 | TheCount | kevix: ah! |
| 12:01.00 | debugger | kevix, humm, apt-get r ? |
| 12:01.18 | debugger | oh, its the "r" from "remove"? hehe |
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| 12:01.27 | kevix | TheCount: also in experimental is a new apt-get that uses diff on package files (speeds updates) |
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| 12:01.52 | kevix | debugger: opps. the r was a typo. |
| 12:01.56 | TheCount | kevix: kewl. how's that supported on server side? |
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| 12:02.38 | operata_ | hi all |
| 12:02.52 | kevix | TheCount: certain mirror (just debian for now) make nighly diff files and the apt-get downloads these to update the packages file. |
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| 12:03.29 | mymayer | is there a way in puttty to change the "current" login[like ctrl+alt+2], without open a new session ? |
| 12:03.30 | kevix | TheCount: not sure of the server changes needed, ask the diety folks. |
| 12:03.49 | valdyn | kevix: which version would this be? cant see any in experimental |
| 12:04.22 | operata_ | has anybody running the radeon driver on a unstable witgh 3d support? (radeon 9700mobility) |
| 12:04.38 | TheCount | kevix: sounds nice, thou |
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| 12:04.44 | kevix | valdyn: its version 0.6.42.1exp1 |
| 12:05.01 | valdyn | kevix: ah, so 'below' the sid one, thanks |
| 12:05.23 | kevix | TheCount: yes. it should be in the main version BEFORE etch hopefully! |
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| 12:05.57 | m0rbid | dvsdude: Its reporting that its "missing output drivers" |
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| 12:06.19 | Draco | is there any documentation on how to do a linux installation *to* an nfs server? so i could then make a minimal live cd that will boot and use everything off the NFS server? |
| 12:06.58 | dvsdude | m0rbid, hmm not sure soz |
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| 12:07.17 | TheCount | Draco: just use debootstrap |
| 12:07.21 | mymayer | TheCount what does that mean : |
| 12:07.30 | mymayer | (13:07:40) (my |
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| 12:07.59 | mymayer | freenx: Depends: nxagent (>= 1.4.92+1.5.0) but it is not going to be installed , E: Broken packages |
| 12:08.15 | w3rdn4 | hahaha |
| 12:08.19 | TheCount | mymayer: you've got dependency problems |
| 12:08.38 | mymayer | is that not a conflict between a stable and "testing" verision ? |
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| 12:08.46 | pratyush_ | any one who has dependency with udev? |
| 12:09.04 | valdyn | !wayttd pratyush_ |
| 12:09.05 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, pratyush_? |
| 12:09.31 | pratyush_ | i am getting dependency probs with udev 0.70 |
| 12:09.37 | xelam | like what |
| 12:09.56 | valdyn | pratyush_: WHICH problems? we arent able to guess this |
| 12:10.01 | pratyush_ | it is not upgrading to udev0.70 from udev .53 |
| 12:10.07 | mymayer | TheCount : is that not a conflict between a stable and "testing" verision ? |
| 12:10.15 | kevix | pratyush_: the only problems usually occur if you have a kernel less than 2.6.12 |
| 12:10.16 | pratyush_ | yes |
| 12:10.17 | valdyn | pratyush_: and first start by telling us which debian release you are trying to use or upgrading to |
| 12:10.20 | mymayer | TheCount : cause there is not other nxagent version installed |
| 12:10.22 | pratyush_ | yes... |
| 12:10.36 | pratyush_ | when i upgrade my kernel image to 2.6.12 |
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| 12:10.51 | pratyush_ | it also showing prob that?child error 1 |
| 12:10.55 | pratyush_ | in dpkg version |
| 12:11.04 | TheCount | mymayer: don't know, I'd have to guess or look for myself |
| 12:11.05 | valdyn | !tell pratyush_ -about smart questions |
| 12:11.09 | valdyn | !tell pratyush_ -enter |
| 12:11.18 | valdyn | !tell pratyush_ -about enter |
| 12:11.33 | kevix | pratyush_: so upgrade the kernel, then upgrade udev |
| 12:11.39 | pratyush_ | i did that? |
| 12:11.49 | pratyush_ | when ever i upgrade udev it is removing hotplug |
| 12:11.56 | valdyn | pratyush_: thats fine |
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| 12:12.32 | kevix | pratyush_: the functionality of hotplug was ADDED to udev. |
| 12:12.43 | mymayer | TheCount can i PM you and send you the output, some more lines. Whould not spam in here |
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| 12:12.53 | Andy837 | how can i correct: |
| 12:12.53 | Andy837 | 5 not fully installed or removed. |
| 12:12.57 | kevix | mymayer: use #flood |
| 12:13.00 | valdyn | !tell mymayer -about paste |
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| 12:13.14 | valdyn | Andy837: try running apt-get -f install |
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| 12:13.33 | kevix | Andy837: dpkg -a --configure |
| 12:13.33 | TheCount | mymayer: I don't have the time right now |
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| 12:13.48 | SimonRaven | 32! yikes |
| 12:13.56 | Andy837 | kevix: still causes errors and stops - one of the things is postfix |
| 12:13.59 | valdyn | Andy837: either way that 5 not fully installed or removed. is the RESULT of an error that you already got and that we need to know to fix anything |
| 12:14.03 | mymayer | TheCount ok |
| 12:14.08 | mymayer | #flood |
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| 12:14.17 | SimonRaven | oh well, that's what you get if you forward port older source trees... |
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| 12:14.44 | kevix | SimonRaven: huh? |
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| 12:15.00 | mymayer | kevix what can i do with that "broken packages" ? |
| 12:15.48 | kevix | mymayer: try to resolve the issue with apt-get -f install or dpkg -a --configure |
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| 12:16.31 | mymayer | what does "-f" mean, kevix ? |
| 12:16.42 | Andy837 | valdyn: how do i find the error or whatever then> |
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| 12:16.59 | kevix | mymayer: it tryies to 'fix' the problems. |
| 12:17.00 | id23 | hi |
| 12:17.14 | SimonRaven | mymayer: man apt-get |
| 12:17.20 | valdyn | Andy837: dpkg --configure -a well print those error(s) ( as long as there is any left ) |
| 12:17.27 | valdyn | s/well/will/ |
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| 12:18.06 | atp | hey folks. wondering if anyone can recommend a good unicode capable rxvt/xterm like terminal program which uses Xft for fonts (ie, antialiased truetype stuffins)? xaw scrollbars are preferable (so don't say gnome whatsit or konsole, hehe) |
| 12:18.21 | atp | small footprints are also appreciated (of course) |
| 12:18.27 | valdyn | atp: umm, xterm does support unicode and ttf |
| 12:18.43 | mymayer | kevix : freenx: Depends: nxagent (>= 1.4.92+1.5.0) but it is not going to be installed -> That would mean, that there is no or an old nxagent version installed, or ? |
| 12:18.44 | atp | valdyn: i know it supports unicode. didn't know about xft. really? |
| 12:18.48 | Guerin | atp: rxvt-unicode-ml or uxterm |
| 12:18.50 | SimonRaven | atp: mrxvt, rxvt |
| 12:18.51 | valdyn | atp: yea really |
| 12:19.00 | SimonRaven | or my fav, uxterm |
| 12:19.02 | atp | valdyn: learn something new everyday. is it stable? |
| 12:19.06 | kevix | atp: uxterm and using *.utf8 locale ? |
| 12:19.20 | valdyn | atp: i dont use xterm |
| 12:19.28 | atp | kevix: currently do both, but i'm using bitmapped fonts (which is fine, except that some chinese characters are hard to read) |
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| 12:19.44 | SimonRaven | +ft or something switch... for ttf |
| 12:19.44 | atp | valdyn: well, thanks a lot for the tip :) |
| 12:19.52 | Andy837 | i have pasted in flood the first error! |
| 12:20.06 | enveezee | I would find chinese characters hard to read too |
| 12:20.08 | atp | SimonRaven: does it use fontconfig also? (i know, i know, read the manpage... lazy me, appologies) |
| 12:20.08 | kevix | mymayer: you may need to find older version or wait for updates. |
| 12:20.11 | SimonRaven | that's not an error |
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| 12:20.26 | valdyn | Andy837: paste more, that wasnt an error, that was a purely informational message |
| 12:20.27 | solinux | hi :) |
| 12:20.55 | atp | Guerin: does rxvt have xaw scroll bars? last time i tried rxvt with unicode support was also really, really unstable |
| 12:20.57 | mymayer | ok |
| 12:21.03 | SimonRaven | atp: you have 3 guesses, first two don't count |
| 12:21.06 | mymayer | thats what i did the last time, i use 1.40 |
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| 12:21.22 | Andy837 | i pasted too many lines! lol |
| 12:21.25 | SimonRaven | atp: that was ages ago. it went through a rewrite |
| 12:21.29 | mymayer | 1.4.0, but where did i get it from.. it was also a package .. |
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| 12:21.40 | atp | SimonRaven: yes, since xft routines use fontconfig by default and have for some time? i've actually written programs that use xft, it was a stupid question, sorry for wasting your time, i'm tired |
| 12:21.44 | valdyn | Andy837: there is no error |
| 12:21.54 | SimonRaven | atp: np :) |
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| 12:22.03 | valdyn | Andy837: why dont you read the text yourself, its not even hinting at being an error |
| 12:22.08 | SimonRaven | atp: since 4.1 IIRC |
| 12:22.11 | kevix | Andy837: it just looks like an information message... |
| 12:22.14 | atp | SimonRaven: which, rxvt ? |
| 12:22.28 | SimonRaven | atp: the rewrite? yes |
| 12:22.34 | atp | enveezee: probably don't speak chinese eh |
| 12:22.34 | Andy837 | ok well i can't do what i want to do - which is install VHCS and it seems that this "message" is the reason why |
| 12:22.35 | SlayerXP | i need to trim down the amount of crap I have installed on my workstation. |
| 12:22.40 | SimonRaven | atp: that's not an error |
| 12:22.44 | SimonRaven | atp: sorry |
| 12:22.44 | Andy837 | been told to install CURL? |
| 12:22.48 | enveezee | atp: nope |
| 12:22.53 | SimonRaven | Andy837: that's not an error |
| 12:22.57 | atp | enveezee: then i guess it would be hard to read, hehe |
| 12:23.08 | valdyn | Andy837: why are you jumping from one topic to the next like this? |
| 12:23.16 | SimonRaven | not everything that gets spewed onto your terminal is an error... |
| 12:23.19 | valdyn | Andy837: bringing completely unrelated things ;) |
| 12:23.31 | atp | SimonRaven: so, in your professional opinion, is the rxvt worth the download? i always prefered it to xterm, i never needed that tektronix emulation shit |
| 12:23.37 | SimonRaven | Andy837: you figure wrong |
| 12:24.26 | Andy837 | ok well i am unable to do what i want to do (install VHCS) so i figure i am doing something wrong! |
| 12:24.34 | SimonRaven | atp: i use it sometimes (no, not a pro, either ;); works ok for what it does. i'm a die-hard xterm fan, and no i don't need the tektronix shit either |
| 12:24.42 | atp | you know, it's offtopic, but it's annoying how verbose a lot of command line utilities are nowadays without even passing a verbose flag... it's like linux is turning into vms |
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| 12:25.03 | atp | although vms is cool no one can deny that its command line interface was WayTooVerbose[tm] |
| 12:25.07 | enveezee | haha |
| 12:25.16 | valdyn | Andy837: computers are simple, you do something and they react some way. That means that we, if you want us to help you, need complete information about input and output. |
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| 12:25.44 | valdyn | Andy837: instead of "doesnt work" or " im unable to" |
| 12:26.01 | czubin | is there a way to upgrade an ubuntu system to debian without installing debian over it? |
| 12:26.02 | atp | SimonRaven: i too have been using xterm for ages... i downloaded it out of frustration with rxvt's utf support ages ago... but xterm is slower than rxvt |
| 12:26.15 | valdyn | czubin: if you have to ask.. no |
| 12:26.16 | atp | SimonRaven: well i guess i didn't exactly download it, rather started using it |
| 12:26.33 | czubin | valdyn: ok |
| 12:26.37 | SimonRaven | i haven't noticed, except for turning on xft, i find both equally slow |
| 12:26.50 | valdyn | czubin: that just means, that there's no clear way, its just messy |
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| 12:27.06 | atp | Andy837: you know, i'm not a big ESR fan, in fact i rather dislike the guy, but his "how to ask smart questions" faq is really very good reading. you'll feel a lot more productive getting help after reading it. |
| 12:27.16 | atp | or rather document, not faq |
| 12:27.20 | czubin | valdyn: going to install debian some other time then ;) |
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| 12:27.45 | atp | not that you're stupid but geeks have a sort of culture that comes off as abrasive and it's good to learn a little bit about it to save yourself some gray hairs |
| 12:27.47 | SimonRaven | although i probably should give it a run with xft for both of them again, see if it's improved any. once i ran xterm with xft on, and one instance bloated up to 100 MB... |
| 12:27.56 | atp | jesus |
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| 12:28.03 | SimonRaven | (that was ages ago) |
| 12:28.12 | Andy837 | i'll be back later! thanks guys (sorry val) |
| 12:28.16 | J_P | hi al |
| 12:28.23 | valdyn | SimonRaven: xterm still is alot slower using ttf than gnome-terminal is |
| 12:28.23 | atp | see, i actually get reasonably readable chinese characters on xterm right now using bitmapped fonts, it's not too bad |
| 12:28.32 | atp | but using simsun would be nicer |
| 12:28.35 | valdyn | SimonRaven: ( using identical fonts ) |
| 12:28.35 | atp | especially for mail (mutt) |
| 12:29.02 | atp | can you turn off the annoying pull down menus in gnome-terminal? i don't use gnome, never liked des |
| 12:29.11 | valdyn | atp: yea |
| 12:29.14 | atp | although i'll admit that it's pretty if you dig that sort of thing |
| 12:29.16 | SimonRaven | atp: yes |
| 12:29.27 | atp | hm |
| 12:29.45 | SimonRaven | g-t is a pain though, i get tired of it rather quickly. dunno why |
| 12:29.48 | atp | you know, i've long had on the backburner a project to replace the gtk scrollbar widget with xaw scrollbars |
| 12:29.53 | atp | that would rock |
| 12:29.56 | resiak | Why... |
| 12:30.00 | scanwinder | when i try to load the madwifi modules with module-assistant, im getting a few errors...one of them is /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.27/include/asm/processor.h:75: error: array type has incomplete element type ............anyone know how i should fix that? |
| 12:30.06 | atp | xaw scrollbars serious rule all over all other scrollbars ever |
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| 12:30.15 | SimonRaven | resuDaed: number one irritation for me is that right-click-doesn't-extend-selection shit |
| 12:30.18 | atp | i guess i should have spelled that *evar* |
| 12:30.25 | valdyn | scanwinder: you sure that madwifi works with 2.4.x kernels? |
| 12:30.30 | SimonRaven | woops, talk about bad nick complete... |
| 12:30.42 | SimonRaven | resiak: ^^^^ |
| 12:30.46 | scanwinder | valdyn: havent read or heard otherwise |
| 12:30.57 | atp | right click doesn't extend selection in gnome-t ? |
| 12:30.59 | atp | forget that |
| 12:31.00 | valdyn | scanwinder: but for your error uh, i *think* you might be using a compiler that cant deal with 2.4 kernels. |
| 12:31.05 | valdyn | scanwinder: gcc --version |
| 12:31.09 | resiak | SimonRaven: Yeah, bugs the hell out of me. The other annoying one is that when you tick the "turn off the irritating keyboard shortcuts" box, it doesn't turn off Alt-1 -> Alt-9 for tabs, you have to manually turn that off.# |
| 12:31.11 | SimonRaven | scanwinder: and i told you hours ago it's a code bug |
| 12:31.17 | resiak | SimonRaven: Needless to say, I use urxvt now :) |
| 12:31.20 | atp | ack it has tabs? |
| 12:31.22 | SimonRaven | scanwinder: it needs a patch for gcc 4 |
| 12:31.33 | valdyn | there you go... |
| 12:31.35 | scanwinder | valdyn: 4.0.3 |
| 12:31.37 | atp | see, this is why i use pwm... tabs should be handled by the window manager |
| 12:31.44 | valdyn | scanwinder: what SimonRaven sais.. |
| 12:31.50 | atp | although the annoying thing is that pwm isn't really developed anymore |
| 12:31.51 | scanwinder | valdyn: where do i find the patch |
| 12:32.00 | valdyn | scanwinder: no idea |
| 12:32.01 | scanwinder | SimanRaven: where do i get the patch |
| 12:32.10 | valdyn | scanwinder: maybe you should just use gcc-3.3.x |
| 12:32.32 | valdyn | scanwinder: actually no, your SHOULD use gcc-3.3.x since 2.4.x is compiled with that one too |
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| 12:32.34 | SimonRaven | 3.4 is compatible with 4 |
| 12:32.43 | SimonRaven | ....and not so picky |
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| 12:33.07 | atp | ok, i'ma try rxvt and see how it works... SimonRaven, why do you prefer xterm over rxvt (any ui glitches i should be aware of?) |
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| 12:33.20 | SimonRaven | habit, mostly |
| 12:34.18 | SimonRaven | atp: and get urxvt. that's the newish one with utf-8, etc. |
| 12:34.27 | atp | rxvt-unicode-ml? |
| 12:34.34 | atp | different? |
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| 12:34.52 | SimonRaven | they have differing build options |
| 12:35.10 | SimonRaven | there's a 'lite', then the -ml, etc. |
| 12:35.16 | atp | oh, right, i got -ml |
| 12:35.26 | atp | i read a lot of chinese so i need the asian language support |
| 12:35.31 | w3rdn4 | is ther esomething like microsoft money inlinux? |
| 12:35.42 | SimonRaven | -ml is wat you want then ;) |
| 12:35.47 | atp | w3rdn4: gnucash maybe? |
| 12:35.49 | SimonRaven | what* |
| 12:35.53 | atp | w3rdn4: haven't used money |
| 12:36.06 | atp | w3rdn4: don't actually no what it does, but gnucash is like quicken apparently |
| 12:36.16 | atp | w3rdn4: don't use quicken either... hehe |
| 12:36.33 | atp | w3rdn4: gnucash's only annoyance is that it isn't a gtk2 program so it's sort of ugly |
| 12:36.43 | atp | w3rdn4: but functionally it's quite complete and easy to use |
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| 12:38.03 | w3rdn4 | found one called kmymoney2 |
| 12:38.05 | w3rdn4 | going to try that |
| 12:38.16 | atp | hey, this is a random question, but does anyone here speak navajo? |
| 12:39.15 | lanjelot | hi people. Can you tell me what good mp3 players there are, with a great library (to manage my music) please ? :p |
| 12:39.25 | Zub | w3rdn4, try grisbi |
| 12:39.53 | atp | guess not. what a shame. |
| 12:40.00 | atp | i want to learn navajo, that would be neat. |
| 12:40.23 | solinux | lanjelot amarok, http://amarok.kde.org/ |
| 12:40.36 | lanjelot | but i'm running gnome. |
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| 12:40.49 | w3rdn4 | thank you Zub |
| 12:40.49 | mymayer | I just cannot find the deb souirce for Freenx 1.4.0 , can someone help ? |
| 12:40.58 | lanjelot | & i don't wanna install kde libraries. My disk space is limited |
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| 12:41.38 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 12:41.38 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. |
| 12:41.42 | lanjelot | do you know another one solinux (& not thythmbox)? |
| 12:42.10 | atp | lanjelot: hm, why not just use xmms? there's a gtk2 port out there called beep media player |
| 12:42.15 | solinux | lanjelot nop. |
| 12:42.16 | atp | lanjelot: not bad |
| 12:42.31 | atp | lanjelot: although i guess it has no library feature |
| 12:42.36 | atp | lanjelot: so that's a no go eh |
| 12:43.05 | atp | you guys want to know something stupid |
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| 12:43.15 | atp | i don't use kde because they code in C++. |
| 12:43.19 | atp | isn't that stupid? |
| 12:43.22 | atp | i mean, what a lame reason. |
| 12:43.23 | lanjelot | lol |
| 12:43.25 | xelam | yes you are stupid |
| 12:43.26 | atp | but it's true |
| 12:43.27 | lanjelot | right |
| 12:43.30 | atp | i really do |
| 12:43.35 | atp | avoid kde for this reason alone. |
| 12:44.02 | enveezee | heh |
| 12:44.04 | atp | sometimes i wonder about myself |
| 12:44.06 | lanjelot | how come xmms doesn't have the library feature. I've heard that it was a great multimedia player |
| 12:44.08 | mymayer | I just cannot find the deb souirce for Freenx 0.4.0 , can someone help ? |
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| 12:44.25 | atp | lanjelot: maybe because in the old days most mp3 players didn't... xmms was a copy of winamp |
| 12:44.26 | tarzeau | enveezee: wanna try some objective-c code? |
| 12:44.35 | tarzeau | atp: and gnome has no c++ at all? |
| 12:44.35 | atp | objective-c, now that's nice. gnustep. mmmm. |
| 12:44.49 | atp | tarzeau: i'm sure some applications are written in C++. but not the core libs. |
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| 12:45.07 | enveezee | tarzeau: if you offer it to me, doesnt that make it subjective- or suggestive- c? |
| 12:45.08 | Zub | i'm amazed on how xmms hasnt evolved since 1997 or so |
| 12:45.09 | OleMoudi | I'm running etch, any common reason to why some programs like k3b have disappeared from my system and from apt since last dist-upgrade? |
| 12:45.16 | atp | tarzeau: of course, i don't use gnome either. but i'll install gnome apps. and i'll install non-kde apps written in C++. it makes no sense whatsoever. |
| 12:45.35 | xelam | atp: if it makes so little sense, then why do it? |
| 12:45.50 | atp | tarzeau: no, it's the thing being offered, not the thing doing the offering, so it's definitely objective |
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| 12:46.19 | atp | xelam: you know, i don't really know. it's like, i consider myself an emacs user, although these days i use vi more than emacs. but i'll side with emacs on a flamewar anyday of the week. |
| 12:46.29 | xelam | emacs :( |
| 12:46.31 | atp | i guess old habits die hard |
| 12:46.48 | atp | the truth is that ed is the best editor |
| 12:46.53 | atp | it's the standard editor. |
| 12:47.03 | atp | but everyone forgets old ed. |
| 12:47.10 | xelam | how is it the best editor? |
| 12:47.26 | atp | it's sort of like lisp or forth is the best language. it's really clean. |
| 12:47.36 | atp | that doesn't mean you actually do your editing in it. it's just really elegant. |
| 12:48.15 | xelam | doesn't mean it's the best |
| 12:48.15 | atp | same with lisp and forth. really pretty. you feel clean when you use them. but for actual engineering problems, well |
| 12:48.17 | atp | but i don't want to start an editor war here. or a language war. best is subjective. |
| 12:48.25 | atp | emacs is the best. |
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| 12:48.33 | xelam | emacs is awful |
| 12:48.39 | tarzeau | atp: have you tried Emacs.app 9 yet? |
| 12:48.43 | xelam | not that I've used it in years :| |
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| 12:49.03 | w3rdn4 | in nano I cannot copy and paste huge source code, with emacs I can |
| 12:49.07 | w3rdn4 | just a fact |
| 12:49.22 | xelam | that's nice |
| 12:50.15 | mymayer | guys, i have found this source, how to add it to /Etc/apt/source.ist now ? : http://www.linux.lk/~anuradha/nx/ |
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| 12:50.52 | Gnea | :set paste |
| 12:52.28 | atp | tarzeau: what's Emacs.app 9? a gnustep emacs? |
| 12:52.36 | tarzeau | atp: yep, based on emacs 23 |
| 12:52.45 | mymayer | Gnea maybe you can help me ?` |
| 12:52.55 | tarzeau | atp: actually a nextstep one, it might/should also work on openstep as well as os x (cocoa) |
| 12:53.14 | mymayer | i just found the packages to install, but somehow iam not competnet enaugh to add them to the source.lst ->http://www.linux.lk/~anuradha/nx/ |
| 12:53.19 | tarzeau | atp: www.linuks.mine.nu/openstep/emacs.png |
| 12:53.56 | tarzeau | atp: there even was a nextstep nethack... i wish it was ported to gnustep |
| 12:53.59 | valdyn | Auckland_Pig: the first one is |
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| 12:54.23 | atp | yeah, because as pretty as mac os is, i'm a free software biggot. |
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| 12:54.33 | Auckland_Pig | valdyn: where can i find out what software's are on the cd's... iso's i mean... |
| 12:54.41 | valdyn | !cd contents |
| 12:54.41 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt |
| 12:54.42 | tarzeau | atp: it's just slow. slower than OPENSTEP |
| 12:54.56 | Auckland_Pig | thank you very much... |
| 12:54.57 | atp | tarzeau: which, gstep? |
| 12:54.57 | tarzeau | atp: even though the hardware is 10 to 100 times faster than when it was 10 years ago |
| 12:55.05 | tarzeau | atp: mac os x is slow. gnustep is fast |
| 12:55.09 | atp | tarzeau: oh, i see. |
| 12:55.24 | atp | tarzeau: yeah, i agree. my gf has an ibook. although it's definitely getting better. |
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| 12:56.18 | atp | tarzeau: when you said it was slow i was really surprised, because gnustep seems to just scream. luckily i misunderstood you :) |
| 12:56.42 | atp | sigh, linuks.mine.nu seems to be blocked by the great firewall |
| 12:56.55 | abrotman | mymayer: apt-get.org ? |
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| 12:57.13 | valdyn | mymayer: one sec |
| 12:57.45 | grelli | what are people's thoughts on pinning amavisd-new to testing when running sarge? |
| 12:57.47 | tarzeau | atp: oh you're in .cn |
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| 12:57.58 | grelli | er, clamav, not amavis |
| 12:58.01 | grelli | been up too long |
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| 12:58.40 | valdyn | mymayer: deb http://www.linux.lk/~anuradha/nx/ ./ |
| 12:58.45 | billy | hello folks, what is the switch when you want to install the "Suggested" packages when running apt-get install abcde thanks |
| 12:58.50 | atp | tarzeau: yes... sigh |
| 12:58.56 | valdyn | billy: apt-get cant do that |
| 12:59.02 | atp | tarzeau: i actually have an offshore proxy but i'm too lazy to ssh over and start it |
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| 12:59.16 | billy | valdyn: thanks.. :) |
| 12:59.49 | valdyn | grelli: why would you do that? |
| 13:00.01 | RichiH | mymayer: i think deb http://www.linux.lk/~anuradha/nx/ .. . might work, but i am not sure |
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| 13:00.25 | valdyn | grelli: there's a volatile repository and there's that clamav package that grabs the new signatures itself |
| 13:00.28 | grelli | the scanning engine in stable is .84, whereas testing has the newest .87.1 release |
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| 13:00.34 | valdyn | !volatile |
| 13:00.34 | dpkg | from memory, volatile is debian-volatile, a project aiming to gather fast moving targets in an own "release" system. It can be found at http://volatile.debian.net/ |
| 13:00.54 | grelli | valdyn: the clamav guys also suggest keeping the engine up to date as well |
| 13:01.15 | valdyn | grelli: i havent checked if volatile does that, it might |
| 13:01.22 | grelli | looking right now |
| 13:01.26 | tarzeau | atp: how is the distribution of linux and/or debian or even more generally free software in china? |
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| 13:02.04 | atp | tarzeau: most of asia is a windows world, unfortunately |
| 13:02.14 | atp | tarzeau: but the chinese government is very interested in free software |
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| 13:02.25 | atp | tarzeau: they're deeply distrustful of american companies |
| 13:02.32 | tarzeau | atp: i noticed when i was in turkey, however, do you know of the #arabeyes project? |
| 13:02.45 | atp | tarzeau: no, haven't heard of it, what's that? |
| 13:02.45 | tarzeau | atp: what has freesoftware or linux to do with americans? |
| 13:02.56 | grelli | valdyn: clamav-base is up to date in volatile |
| 13:03.01 | tarzeau | atp: it's a project of arab countries, to work on free software projects |
| 13:03.01 | grelli | thanks for the heads up |
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| 13:03.14 | tarzeau | atp: mainly right-to-left rendering of text, translations.. |
| 13:03.18 | atp | tarzeau: nothing, it has to do with being distrustful of american companies like microsoft (which makes free software interesting) |
| 13:03.38 | atp | tarzeau: they don't want their security infrastructure running an os that might have a backdoor, you know ... |
| 13:03.59 | atp | tarzeau: how is arab text on gnu/linux? do you read arabic? |
| 13:04.12 | atp | tarzeau: i took arabic a bit as a kid and can sound it out, but sadly not understand much |
| 13:04.15 | tarzeau | atp: pity, no. i only know some turkish |
| 13:04.32 | atp | tarzeau: yeah, turkish uses a latin script, right? with i's that have no dots |
| 13:04.36 | tarzeau | atp: since i live in switzerland, i never had the need to learn/use it |
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| 13:04.59 | tarzeau | atp: yes it has dots and some special characters more, and some less that others have (mainly umlauts) |
| 13:05.08 | atp | tarzeau: i'm french (sort of)... arabic would be useful, especially moroccan arabic |
| 13:05.12 | grelli | valdyn: a hop, skip, and jump later and the scanning engine is 0.87.1 |
| 13:05.16 | grelli | that makes my life a lot easier |
| 13:05.43 | atp | tarzeau: how do you feel about admitting turkey to the eu? i guess .ch isn't in the eu yet is it |
| 13:05.56 | atp | tarzeau: (that yet didn't mean anything, btw) |
| 13:06.08 | valdyn | atp: ch is quite closely associated |
| 13:06.11 | valdyn | atp: turkey isnt |
| 13:06.16 | tarzeau | atp: no .ch isn't, but i doubt there would be a problem of them joining. it's all very much well organized here |
| 13:06.25 | tarzeau | atp: for turkey. oh well |
| 13:06.38 | tarzeau | valdyn: he was asking about my subjective feeling about it |
| 13:06.41 | tarzeau | valdyn: turkey isn't what? |
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| 13:06.57 | valdyn | tarzeau: part of the EU or closely associate |
| 13:07.05 | Arthemis | hi you all ;) |
| 13:07.26 | mymayer | valdyn : thank you it worked . abrotman : exactly what iam asked for the hole time, big thx |
| 13:08.06 | abrotman | mymayer: enjoy |
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| 13:08.08 | Arthemis | excuse me... |
| 13:08.22 | Arthemis | can you tell me where can i find the source.list of apt |
| 13:08.29 | Arthemis | that works well? |
| 13:08.35 | valdyn | Arthemis: in /etc/apt/ |
| 13:08.38 | Arthemis | nono |
| 13:08.39 | atp | valdyn: well, we play soccer with them :) |
| 13:08.51 | enveezee | Arthemis: apt-setup |
| 13:08.51 | tarzeau | atp: i think it's the right thing for them to do |
| 13:08.58 | Arthemis | i'd like to have a souce.list of yours |
| 13:09.02 | Arthemis | that works well |
| 13:09.03 | atp | tarzeau: for turkey? for europe? for both? |
| 13:09.05 | tarzeau | atp: but there's so much before they can success to fix first |
| 13:09.08 | tarzeau | atp: turkey |
| 13:09.13 | enveezee | Arthemis: dont be a fool, apt-setup |
| 13:09.19 | Arthemis | a ok :) |
| 13:09.21 | atp | tarzeau: i'd like to see turkey in the eu, but i'm radical that way |
| 13:09.28 | tarzeau | atp: what about .cn spending so much money on their space programs? |
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| 13:09.38 | valdyn | Arthemis: thats silly, sources.list file entries work well depending on your location, so whatever is good for me, might be bad for you |
| 13:09.46 | atp | tarzeau: well, i'm a geek, i think space programs are cool, so i'm not generally opposed, hehe |
| 13:09.49 | Arthemis | but why i have problems to install kde with dependences of #apt-get install kde ? |
| 13:10.01 | tarzeau | atp: if i didn't knew, they'll not be able to join during the next 20 years, i wouldn't have applied for a swiss passport |
| 13:10.06 | valdyn | Arthemis: b/c you arent using sarge/stable ? |
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| 13:10.18 | nksen | if I install a kernel remotely. might all the modules be detected properly or might I use discover to find out and modify /etc/modutils/aliases by hand? |
| 13:10.31 | atp | tarzeau: switzerland you mean? |
| 13:10.34 | atp | tarzeau: or turkey? |
| 13:10.46 | valdyn | nksen: nothing to modify as long as you use debian kernels |
| 13:10.48 | atp | tarzeau: i'm a little bit confused by that sentence... :/ |
| 13:10.49 | tarzeau | atp: i think it would be fun for everbody on earth to have a view into a completely different culture/country like american, european and maybe arabic or asian for at least 3 months each |
| 13:11.00 | tarzeau | atp: humans are so limited |
| 13:11.07 | atp | tarzeau: i agree with that |
| 13:11.11 | tarzeau | atp: turkey won't be in eu for a long time |
| 13:11.20 | atp | tarzeau: i've lived all over the world (expat brat) and i think it's been very instructional |
| 13:11.23 | Arthemis | somebody said me that the dependences are in updating |
| 13:11.29 | Arthemis | is it true? |
| 13:11.32 | tarzeau | atp: you're not a native .cn? |
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| 13:11.41 | atp | tarzeau: no, i'm french (sort of). |
| 13:11.46 | Arthemis | or it's only a problem of my cpc? |
| 13:11.54 | valdyn | Arthemis: you cannot expect anything to work at all unless you use stable. |
| 13:11.58 | nksen | valdyn: sure i do. well trying to install debian on a suse server, just over ssh. even when I reboot the box does not come up any more and I dunnow really how it's caused |
| 13:12.04 | atp | tarzeau: i say sort of because my parents moved me out of france quite young and i've mostly gone to international schools since. |
| 13:12.22 | Arthemis | i'm using sarge |
| 13:12.23 | atp | tarzeau: so i don't have much national identity and i speak every language with an accent. |
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| 13:12.36 | theD3viL | hi |
| 13:12.37 | theD3viL | :> |
| 13:12.37 | atp | tarzeau: it's funny, really. :) |
| 13:12.42 | valdyn | nksen: now thats some "minor" detail that you arent talking about a debian system but suse |
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| 13:13.04 | tarzeau | atp: hmm |
| 13:13.23 | atp | tarzeau: chinese people are pretty cool though. |
| 13:13.27 | atp | tarzeau: i quite like them. |
| 13:13.55 | tarzeau | atp: i don't know much about asia at all |
| 13:14.15 | valdyn | Arthemis: no, if there's dependency problems with apt-get install kde, then you are not using sarge |
| 13:14.20 | enveezee | I know it doesnt have any tall skinny redheads like Texas :P |
| 13:14.23 | tarzeau | atp: we've got some people from there at the workplace |
| 13:14.33 | theD3viL | What is different if i have XFree86 or Xorg ? |
| 13:14.42 | Arthemis | i downloaded the cd minimal from debian.or |
| 13:14.44 | Arthemis | org |
| 13:14.45 | valdyn | theD3viL: not much at all |
| 13:14.57 | nksen | valdyn: err? i'm installing debian and restarting debian. just the running os is suse which shouldn't matter |
| 13:15.07 | valdyn | theD3viL: effecticvely mainly hardware support ( drivers ) |
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| 13:15.15 | atp | tarzeau: they're nice people as a whole. culturally very different from europeans though which makes communication difficult. |
| 13:15.19 | theD3viL | valdyn, aha...eh...dont need it then :) |
| 13:15.25 | Arthemis | i'm installing stable... |
| 13:15.28 | atp | tarzeau: until you understand them or they understand you (or best of all, you both understand each other) |
| 13:15.28 | Arthemis | trust in me |
| 13:15.29 | Arthemis | :P |
| 13:15.36 | tarzeau | atp: what about communism? |
| 13:15.48 | atp | tarzeau: well, china isn't communist in anything but name anymore |
| 13:15.52 | valdyn | theD3viL: on the technical side, there's infrastructure / libraries for things, that you just dont use for a while |
| 13:15.59 | Arthemis | http://www.us.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 13:16.00 | atp | tarzeau: i don't have anything against communism though, really. |
| 13:16.02 | tarzeau | atp: and censorship? |
| 13:16.07 | Arthemis | this is the link of my cd image |
| 13:16.13 | Arthemis | it's the netinst stable |
| 13:16.17 | atp | tarzeau: censorship i don't like. but it's important to seperate people and government, you know. |
| 13:16.29 | atp | tarzeau: like, people from iran seem to be universally extremely nice. |
| 13:16.34 | atp | tarzeau: same with syria. |
| 13:16.39 | atp | tarzeau: but the governments... bad |
| 13:16.42 | atp | tarzeau: hehe |
| 13:16.57 | atp | tarzeau: i'd imagine north korea is quite the same way. certainly all the north koreans i've met in china have been pretty nice folks. |
| 13:17.05 | atp | tarzeau: (although not so fond of their birthplace). |
| 13:17.17 | theD3viL | valdyn, hm..eh...ill have STABLE sarge at the begining to the end. |
| 13:17.40 | atp | tarzeau: overall my impression is that people are basically nice pretty much everywhere, if you understand the local culture well enough to not make too many faux pas. |
| 13:17.46 | tarzeau | atp: japan? |
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| 13:18.05 | atp | tarzeau: never been, actually, except airports. did study japanese for five or six years in school though. |
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| 13:18.26 | atp | tarzeau: but i like japanese people. my judo dojo is all japanese expats. nice folks. |
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| 13:18.46 | atp | tarzeau: of course in asia everyone hates japan. |
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| 13:19.18 | atp | people in korea hate japanese too, right Guerin? |
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| 13:19.27 | enveezee | atp: this was part of the countries collective sensus eh? |
| 13:19.31 | m0rbid | is 'isapnptools' not in testing? |
| 13:19.32 | resiak | census! |
| 13:19.37 | enveezee | that too |
| 13:19.38 | atp | hehe resiak |
| 13:19.43 | atp | i thought the same thing |
| 13:19.45 | enveezee | !yinzersmite nvz |
| 13:19.59 | resiak | enveezee: and if you had spelt it right, you would have had Great Alliteration Joy! |
| 13:20.02 | valdyn | japan invaded all these countries and behaved 'quite ugly', and only just recently apologised for that the first time officially |
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| 13:20.09 | atp | resiak: seriously. :) |
| 13:20.12 | theD3viL | valdyn, btw.. why gnome or kde have so many depencies ? |
| 13:20.21 | atp | valdyn: in a very half assed way, too. |
| 13:20.24 | enveezee | resiak: I doubt it.. because I dont have a dictionary |
| 13:20.40 | atp | valdyn: the japanese have certainly not taken the same road the germans did. |
| 13:20.41 | resiak | enveezee: Country's Collective Census. CCC! |
| 13:20.50 | valdyn | theD3viL: 'dependencies' provide features |
| 13:21.22 | enveezee | Cows Come Close to Conquering China |
| 13:21.29 | valdyn | theD3viL: in fact, thats a 'good' thing compared to reinventing the wheel each time in each app |
| 13:21.31 | enveezee | apt, moo |
| 13:21.32 | apt | mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/moo/ |
| 13:21.37 | atp | peter piper picked a peck of pickled peppers? |
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| 13:22.01 | scanwinder | what package has iwconfig in it? - ive forgotten |
| 13:22.09 | valdyn | scanwinder: /msg dpkg search |
| 13:22.19 | atp | wireless-tools |
| 13:22.27 | atp | scanwinder: |
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| 13:22.38 | theD3viL | valdyn, but why i have feeling that if i install some programs, system will works slower ? |
| 13:22.51 | atp | theD3viL: why do you say that? |
| 13:23.00 | theD3viL | atp, ? |
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| 13:23.14 | atp | theD3viL: if you're concerned about speed on limited hardware, don't use gnome or kde, both hog memory like, well, a... hog? |
| 13:23.26 | phyrster | I used this sed command to write a line into a file /tmp/xx |
| 13:23.29 | phyrster | sed -i "s/^OSFONTDIR = .*$/OSFONTDIR = \/usr\/share\/fonts/" |
| 13:23.31 | valdyn | theD3viL: that's a matter of perception. "Installing" doesnt make anything slower, EXCEPT for the package database |
| 13:23.52 | phyrster | but nothing happend to the file. /tmp/xx, nothing written in it. |
| 13:23.59 | theD3viL | atp, hm...i think gnome must run at amd 2600 =/ |
| 13:24.07 | phyrster | what's wrong with my sed command? |
| 13:24.10 | valdyn | theD3viL: it does, perfectly fine |
| 13:24.14 | theD3viL | valdyn, package databasE? |
| 13:24.18 | phyrster | sed -i "s/^OSFONTDIR = .*$/OSFONTDIR = \/usr\/share\/fonts/" /tmp/xx |
| 13:24.26 | atp | theD3viL: i'm sure it's not that bad. i installed it on my laptop once for my gf and it worked ok, and mines a 1.2ghz thinkpad. |
| 13:24.38 | valdyn | theD3viL: obviously your system has to save information about what is installed somewhere |
| 13:24.45 | xelam | phyrster: evidently your regex is wrong then :P |
| 13:25.14 | atp | phreak: or you're using double quotes and the $ is confusing your shell? |
| 13:25.15 | phyrster | xelam: wrong. which part is wrong? I know nothing about sed |
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| 13:25.24 | phyrster | xelam: just copied it from a page |
| 13:25.29 | theD3viL | :) |
| 13:25.30 | xelam | phyrster: in that case maybe you should do it manually |
| 13:25.31 | atp | phyrster: sorry that was for you |
| 13:25.56 | xelam | but it probably is a quoting thing |
| 13:26.06 | valdyn | theD3viL: some gnome applictions have serious startup time issues, thats it, that doesnt make your system 'slow' |
| 13:26.09 | phyrster | xelam: what is the exact line shall I do manually? |
| 13:26.11 | atp | xelam: yeah, that seems most likely, eh? |
| 13:26.24 | Eulex | theD3viL, it's more about how much memory you have, but that computer should have enough for it to run perfectly |
| 13:26.25 | phyrster | which part, can you show it to me according to the line pasted above? |
| 13:26.27 | xelam | phyrster: edit the file? |
| 13:26.30 | atp | phyrster: use ed |
| 13:26.37 | xelam | don't that |
| 13:26.38 | atp | phyrster: sed is a stream editor |
| 13:26.40 | xelam | use pico or something |
| 13:26.50 | theD3viL | Eulex, 512 mb |
| 13:26.52 | atp | xelam: i didn't mean interactively, i meant from the command line |
| 13:27.17 | phyrster | sed -i "s/^OSFONTDIR = .*$/OSFONTDIR = \/usr\/share\/fonts/" , if I want to manually edit it, what exactly shall I put it in the file? |
| 13:27.25 | theD3viL | valdyn, so you said that i have many services at startup then when start ... is fine |
| 13:27.26 | xelam | ffs |
| 13:27.32 | xelam | just change the text in the file |
| 13:27.41 | xelam | from what it is now, to what you want it to be |
| 13:27.44 | valdyn | theD3viL: yea, just slows down your bootup process, that is it |
| 13:28.05 | theD3viL | valdyn, eh... that isnt bad to me :) |
| 13:28.12 | phyrster | xelam: but the file does not have OSFONTDIR, not this line. |
| 13:28.14 | xelam | i.e. put /usr/share/fonts in there instead of whats there now |
| 13:28.21 | xelam | phyrster: then that's why it doesn't work |
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| 13:28.23 | phyrster | I need to add a new line |
| 13:28.28 | atp | phyrster: yeah, jeez man :) |
| 13:28.28 | xelam | then add one |
| 13:28.36 | atp | phyrster: here we were all wondering why it doesn't work |
| 13:28.43 | atp | phyrster: you've gotta tell us these things! |
| 13:28.54 | xelam | sed replaces things - how can it replace something that's not there? |
| 13:28.55 | phyrster | s/^OSFONTDIR means search ? right? |
| 13:29.01 | atp | it means search and replace |
| 13:29.03 | phyrster | apt: ease, I don't know sed |
| 13:29.12 | xelam | phyrster: then stop trying to use it :P |
| 13:29.14 | atp | atp not apt :) |
| 13:29.15 | theD3viL | eh..i must go to work .. see ya @ night |
| 13:29.19 | atp | i agree with xelam |
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| 13:29.27 | phyrster | atp: .*$/OSFONTDIR means? reg expression? |
| 13:29.33 | atp | sed is bad unix voodoo magicks reserved for the initiated |
| 13:29.45 | atp | you must be touched by his noodly appendage to use it correctly |
| 13:29.55 | xelam | phyrster: "s/foo/bar/" replaces foo with bar |
| 13:30.02 | atp | phyrster: well, . means match a character, and * means match 0 or more |
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| 13:30.11 | phyrster | atp: so, if I want to add hat new line, what exactly shall I put in? |
| 13:30.17 | atp | phyrster: don't use sed for that. |
| 13:30.18 | xelam | ffs |
| 13:30.30 | atp | phyrster: if you're a newbie, use nano or something like that, you'll be happy you did. |
| 13:30.35 | xelam | put this in: |
| 13:30.39 | phyrster | provided that OSFONTDIR isn't there. atp: I mean manually |
| 13:30.42 | xelam | OSFONTDIR = /usr/share/fonts |
| 13:30.51 | atp | phyrster: oh, i see. |
| 13:31.00 | atp | phyrster: you couldn't read the regex, right? my bad. i'm sorry. |
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| 13:31.11 | phyrster | xelam: that's all? what about the .*$/OSFONTDIR ? |
| 13:31.18 | phyrster | .*$ means? |
| 13:31.27 | atp | phyrster: let me explain it to you |
| 13:31.28 | xelam | it's part of the search string, not the replacement |
| 13:31.42 | atp | phyrster: s/string to search for/string to replace it with/ |
| 13:31.46 | enveezee | !bad atp |
| 13:31.56 | fatal_ | phyrster: . = any one character/digit/whatever, * = 0 or more of the previous, $ = end of line. |
| 13:32.18 | atp | phyrster: and ^ means the beginning of the line. |
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| 13:32.41 | atp | phyrster: so ^OS_FONT_DIR = .*$ means match a whole line (^ is beginning, $ is end) that starts with OS_FONT_DIR = |
| 13:32.43 | phyrster | fatal_: I don't understand the $ part. I think OSFONTDIR is at the beginning of a line |
| 13:33.16 | atp | phyrster: the ^ and $ tell sed to match a whole line. strictly speaking, the $ is superfluous as .* will match to the end of the line regardless. |
| 13:33.28 | scanwinder | how do i get my wireless card(ath0) to connect to the access point? |
| 13:33.32 | TheCount | Trixsey|Laptop: oh cool, a bredbandsbolaget.se user :) the first I see! |
| 13:33.38 | TheCount | scanwinder: man iwconfig |
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| 13:33.51 | liable | scanwinder: you got it compiled in the end? |
| 13:33.52 | phyrster | atp: I see. so I just put in |
| 13:33.53 | atp | phyrster: that combined with the use of double quotes, and the superfluous backspacing of \/usr\/share\/fonts makes me think the guy who wrote the doc you read wasn't a big sed user. |
| 13:33.53 | phyrster | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:33.57 | TheCount | scanwinder: wireless-tools are installed? |
| 13:33.59 | phyrster | that's all? |
| 13:34.03 | scanwinder | TheCount: yes |
| 13:34.08 | fatal_ | TheCount: you missed me! (Although, I'm hiding behind a different host) ;) |
| 13:34.09 | atp | phyrster: backslashing sorry |
| 13:34.19 | TheCount | fatal_: I did? |
| 13:34.22 | atp | phyrster: that's it |
| 13:34.30 | TheCount | fatal_: oh - okay :)) |
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| 13:34.31 | atp | phyrster: is it OS_FONT_DIR or OSFONTDIR? |
| 13:34.39 | Trixsey|Laptop | TheCount: huh? :p |
| 13:34.47 | phyrster | I see. OSFONTDIR |
| 13:35.00 | TheCount | been working with guys from hardwarebolaget a few years ago :) |
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| 13:35.06 | phyrster | atp: for texmf.cnf. latex stuff. |
| 13:35.10 | atp | phyrster: regular expressions aren't that hard and are worth learning if you're planning to manipulate stuff from the command line a lot (or even not) |
| 13:35.25 | atp | phyrster: yeah. latex rocks. |
| 13:35.38 | atp | phyrster: wrote my senior thesis with latex. mmmm. |
| 13:35.40 | TheCount | uh, hardvarubolaget even |
| 13:35.49 | Arthemis | in your opinion what's the most beautiful kde theme? |
| 13:35.51 | atp | i love nicks like that. |
| 13:36.05 | atp | Arthemis: one with naked women in it. |
| 13:36.10 | Arthemis | LOL :D |
| 13:36.17 | atp | the rest i'm not picky about. |
| 13:36.25 | Arthemis | no, be sirius... |
| 13:36.29 | tarzeau | Arthemis: plastik sucks less than the default in knoppix |
| 13:36.29 | Arthemis | suggest me!:P |
| 13:36.39 | phyrster | atp: I need to make pdflatex use truetype fonts. you know how? |
| 13:36.52 | tarzeau | phyrster: forget it |
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| 13:36.56 | atp | phyrster: nope. why do you need to do that? |
| 13:37.00 | heckler | hello |
| 13:37.08 | atp | phyrster: cmr looks beautiful, don't mess with that :) |
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| 13:37.28 | phyrster | apt: tarzeau I need to use Chinese |
| 13:37.40 | atp | latex has some nice chinese fonts |
| 13:37.51 | phyrster | atp: you sure? |
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| 13:38.08 | atp | yes. i live in china and speak chinese. i've looked at it a few times. song ti style. |
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| 13:38.20 | phyrster | atp: you are chinese? |
| 13:38.26 | atp | phyrster: not ethnically. |
| 13:38.37 | atp | phyrster: are you? |
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| 13:38.45 | phyrster | atp: I am. |
| 13:38.52 | atp | phyrster: are you using unicode or gbk? |
| 13:38.52 | phyrster | atp: 100% percent |
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| 13:39.05 | atp | phyrster: where you at? i'm in shanghai atm |
| 13:39.15 | phyrster | atp: I think I have met the right guy. I use unicode for system, but gbk for latex |
| 13:39.22 | phyrster | atp: I am at xiamen |
| 13:39.40 | atp | phyrster: yeah, unless things have changed i think gbk/big5 are the only supported things for cjk on latex. |
| 13:39.43 | laurens_ | damnit. HTML needs DEFINEs. Typing #123456 two hundred times is bad enough. Changing it all to something else is even worse. |
| 13:39.52 | atp | phyrster: it might actually be gb2312, annoyingly, if you need fantizi. |
| 13:40.14 | atp | phyrster: were you planning on using simsun or something (ms fonts)? |
| 13:40.16 | phyrster | atp: unicode is supported but I need to read some docs for that. |
| 13:40.31 | TheCount | laurens_: uhm - ever heard of CSS? |
| 13:40.36 | atp | phyrster: then use unicode man, save yourself the hassle. having some files in gbk and others in unicode will drive you insane. |
| 13:40.39 | Guerin | atp: yes, and yes |
| 13:40.41 | laurens_ | TheCount: I AM using CSS. |
| 13:40.42 | phyrster | atp: I use Founder fonts. fangzheng gb18030 |
| 13:40.49 | TheCount | laurens_: have a look at http://www.csszengarden.com/ |
| 13:40.51 | laurens_ | with plenty of CSS2 |
| 13:40.56 | Guerin | atp: re your questions of 20 minutes ago |
| 13:40.59 | resiak | laurens_: Use Template::Toolkit and a Very Short Perl Script(TM) |
| 13:41.04 | atp | Guerin: yeah, i figured as much :p |
| 13:41.08 | TheCount | laurens_: then you're doing something horribly wrong, or unnecessary complicated ;) |
| 13:41.18 | laurens_ | TheCount: The same color can occur in stylesheets twenty-odd times :-) |
| 13:41.19 | Guerin | atp: chinese is hard |
| 13:41.19 | Anynomous | Please help me use nvidia driver: I am trying to do the nvidia one-liner; the first error I get, is while calling "KBUILD": ".../gcc-version.sh: No such file or directory |
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| 13:41.26 | atp | Guerin: nah, chinese is easy |
| 13:41.30 | atp | Guerin: korean is hard |
| 13:41.37 | phyrster | atp: chinese is easy? |
| 13:41.39 | Guerin | atp: hah |
| 13:41.41 | atp | phyrster: yes |
| 13:41.42 | laurens_ | rofl |
| 13:41.51 | laurens_ | chinese is super easy after you learn all the vocabulary |
| 13:41.53 | phyrster | atp: not ethnically, explain it. |
| 13:41.54 | atp | phyrster: extremely easy, hehe, although if you're in xiamen you speak minnan don't you |
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| 13:42.03 | Guerin | atp: well, perhaps I'll give up on the reading and just learn to speak it then |
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| 13:42.12 | TheCount | laurens_: right-o :) |
| 13:42.12 | phyrster | laurens_: you speak it? |
| 13:42.18 | atp | Guerin: oh, yeah, don't try to learn to read it until you can speak it. |
| 13:42.20 | liable | Anynomous: you are using debian or ubuntu? |
| 13:42.21 | laurens_ | compared to the vocabulary, the grammar is super easy! |
| 13:42.28 | laurens_ | phyrster: no im just making fun of it |
| 13:42.31 | atp | Guerin: chinese characters are totally logical but not if you can't speak the language. |
| 13:42.37 | Guerin | atp: ok, going about it all wrong then. Korean is the other way around. |
| 13:42.39 | phyrster | atp: no I am from northwest part of china. actually |
| 13:42.47 | Anynomous | liable : Yes, I am using debian stable (sarge) |
| 13:42.48 | atp | Guerin: well, maybe not *totally*, but mostly. |
| 13:43.00 | TheCount | what chinese languages are there? I heard of mandarin and kantonese? |
| 13:43.01 | atp | Guerin: right. just remember, chinese kids can speak chinese when they learn to read and write. |
| 13:43.03 | laurens_ | phonetic writing <3 <3 |
| 13:43.03 | Guerin | atp: i'm endeavouring to learn before I travel through there |
| 13:43.08 | liable | Anynomous: you installed build-essential? |
| 13:43.11 | atp | Guerin: hangul is beautiful and simple, hanzi are harder. |
| 13:43.17 | Guerin | atp: yup. |
| 13:43.18 | Pfated | atp: They make no sense to me, and I'm verbally fluent. |
| 13:43.21 | Pfated | :) |
| 13:43.23 | phyrster | laurens_: you are right I think. Chinese don't have western style grammar, its grammar is kind of fuzzy |
| 13:43.31 | Anynomous | liable : Probably not .. lemme try |
| 13:43.31 | atp | phyrster: from where? shanxi? ningxia? xinjiang? |
| 13:43.32 | laurens_ | atp: Those same kids that have insane school hours just to learn it? |
| 13:43.45 | phyrster | atp: gansu |
| 13:43.47 | atp | laurens_: what are you talking about? |
| 13:43.55 | atp | phyrster: awesome! lanzhou? |
| 13:44.04 | phyrster | atp: no. zhangye |
| 13:44.10 | laurens_ | Is it true that "ma" pronounced differently can mean anything from "mother" to "general" to "whore"? :P |
| 13:44.18 | Anynomous | liable : build-essential is already the newest version. |
| 13:44.22 | phyrster | atp: I lived in lanzhou for 4 years |
| 13:44.25 | laurens_ | some mandarin speaking person once told me that. hard to verify of course :P :P |
| 13:44.31 | atp | laurens_: no. not those examples anyway. |
| 13:44.37 | Pfated | Mother, tho. :) |
| 13:44.39 | abrotman | !find gcc-version.sh sarge |
| 13:44.44 | atp | laurens_: if you're talking about the tonality of chinese, it's not as hard as you think. |
| 13:44.53 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'gcc-version.sh' (1): (/usr/src/kernel-kbuild-2.6-3/scripts/gcc-version.sh) in devel/kernel-kbuild-2.6-3. |
| 13:44.56 | laurens_ | atp: are you a native speaker? |
| 13:44.57 | atp | laurens_: in fact, tones are pretty easy. |
| 13:45.00 | atp | laurens_: nope. |
| 13:45.02 | abrotman | wtf |
| 13:45.08 | atp | laurens_: but chinese people can't tell i'm not chinese on the phone, usually. |
| 13:45.15 | abrotman | Anynomous: apparently you need that package .. for some reason |
| 13:45.24 | atp | laurens_: (not to toot my own horn or anything). |
| 13:45.28 | abrotman | oh wait . i have it :) |
| 13:45.50 | Anynomous | abrotman : The kernel I use, however, is : 2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 13:45.54 | laurens_ | i have a better idea, lets teach the chinese kids engrish |
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| 13:45.57 | phyrster | atp: how do you learn your chinese? |
| 13:45.59 | atp | phyrster: your english is excellent, btw. |
| 13:46.01 | abrotman | Anynomous: doesn't matter |
| 13:46.05 | laurens_ | OMG TEH BATTERY SI TEH BECOME ANGEERRRYYY |
| 13:46.05 | atp | phyrster: i listened |
| 13:46.21 | atp | laurens_: chinese people have no trouble pronouncing r. |
| 13:46.31 | atp | laurens_: you're confusing them, rather narrowmindedly, with koreans and japanese. |
| 13:46.35 | laurens_ | "The battery may become angry" is something I once read |
| 13:46.41 | Anynomous | abrotman : kernel-kbuild-2.6-3 is already the newest version. |
| 13:46.44 | Guerin | atp: omg, but aren't all asians the same? |
| 13:46.46 | laurens_ | atp: I didn't imply that they couldn't pronounce R. |
| 13:46.51 | atp | Guerin: seriously. fucking tards. |
| 13:46.54 | abrotman | Anynomous: is that file where it should be ? |
| 13:46.57 | phyrster | laurens_: good idea. we have about 0.4 billion students learning English |
| 13:47.05 | atp | laurens_: the engrish joke is a pet peeve of mine, sorry. |
| 13:47.14 | Guerin | atp: it's only as bad as all asians presuming I'm american, which they do. |
| 13:47.16 | laurens_ | atp: :* sorry ;-) |
| 13:47.18 | Guerin | sometimes I get australian |
| 13:47.25 | atp | Guerin: right. me too. annoys the fuck out of me. your nz, right? |
| 13:47.25 | laurens_ | "The battery may become angry" is something I once read on a chinese battery charger |
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| 13:47.29 | atp | Guerin: you're |
| 13:47.31 | Guerin | atp: right. |
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| 13:47.35 | Anynomous | Any other ideas? |
| 13:47.39 | phyrster | laurens_: I began to forget how to write some chinese characters sometimes |
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| 13:47.49 | abrotman | Anynomous: is the file actually there ? |
| 13:47.53 | Anynomous | Getting the GNU/Linux to eat your graphics card always seem a pain :/ |
| 13:47.57 | atp | phyrster: that happens to everyone, can you write penti de ti (sneeze) |
| 13:48.01 | Anynomous | abrotman : Lemme check |
| 13:48.01 | phyrster | atp: laurens_ some chinese does have problems pronouncing r sound as in 'rose' |
| 13:48.03 | atp | phyrster: don't look it up now that's cheating |
| 13:48.09 | abrotman | Anynomous: that's the price you pay for buying nvidia |
| 13:48.19 | phyrster | atp: I can't you can? |
| 13:48.30 | atp | phyrster: yes, but only because no one chinese can remember that character |
| 13:48.30 | Exxcaliber | Hey guys, how do i disable the option to use sudo when people do a rlogin to my server? |
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| 13:48.34 | abrotman | Anynomous: nvidia doesn't have a fully GPL driver |
| 13:48.35 | laurens_ | compared to english, chinese grammar must be something like "place everything in a sentence and it will probably make sense) |
| 13:48.43 | abrotman | or BSDL .. or any senseible license |
| 13:48.44 | phyrster | atp 喷嚏 |
| 13:48.45 | Anynomous | abrotman : No, it doesn't seem to be present. |
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| 13:48.58 | abrotman | Anynomous: apt-get --reinstall install <package> |
| 13:49.21 | Anynomous | I just did |
| 13:49.22 | atp | phyrster: 对，哈哈，可是很多人喜欢把那个字写成涕 |
| 13:49.25 | abrotman | and? |
| 13:49.25 | Anynomous | now it its present :-) |
| 13:49.30 | abrotman | STOP with the damn chinese |
| 13:49.32 | Anynomous | retry? |
| 13:49.33 | atp | sorry. |
| 13:49.35 | abrotman | take it to #chinese |
| 13:49.40 | atp | so do i |
| 13:49.44 | atp | unicode rocks. |
| 13:49.45 | laurens_ | that makes super lots of sense in UTF-8 |
| 13:49.53 | abrotman | Anynomous: or wait for the sun to go down :) |
| 13:50.05 | atp | man but you know what scim sucks |
| 13:50.06 | Anynomous | maybe we should leave #Debian multilingual, and move the english-only to #debian-en |
| 13:50.06 | phyrster | atp: go to /msg channel |
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| 13:50.08 | Anynomous | or something |
| 13:50.09 | laurens_ | atp: I'm pretty sure the japanese will disagree :P |
| 13:50.16 | atp | laurens_: the japanese can suck it. |
| 13:50.17 | abrotman | Anynomous: this is an english only channel |
| 13:50.25 | Guerin | Anynomous: this has been discussed many a time. |
| 13:50.27 | laurens_ | omg rebellion |
| 13:50.34 | abrotman | omg tards |
| 13:50.39 | atp | monoglots |
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| 13:50.41 | atp | sigh |
| 13:50.43 | phyrster | I am there |
| 13:50.44 | m0rbid | is there a GUI Mounting Utility I can run in XFCE4? |
| 13:50.47 | dirtee | anyone in here on xbox linux? as im new to it and need some advise |
| 13:50.49 | lainard | hello everyone |
| 13:50.53 | Anynomous | abrotman : Heh, I don't think it has been english only a single time I was here for more than 5 minutes or so. ;-) |
| 13:51.02 | tomiq | please can anyone help fixing this problem, those localised messgs mean that it can't find theme library in module_path:... please help grip had worked well till yesterday... |
| 13:51.02 | tomiq | (grip:7468): Gtk-WARNING **: Nemohu nalézt knihovnu pro témata v module_path: "p ixmap", |
| 13:51.02 | tomiq | (grip:7468): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_hide: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget) ' failed |
| 13:51.02 | tomiq | (gnome_segv:7469): Gtk-WARNING **: Nemohu nalĂŠzt knihovnu pro tĂŠmata v module_ path: "pixmap", |
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| 13:51.03 | resiak | m0rbid: You can run any GUI Mounting Utility(TM) in any desktop environment. |
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| 13:51.05 | lainard | anyone can help me installing my USB stick on debian kernel 2.6 ? |
| 13:51.09 | laurens_ | wow |
| 13:51.11 | abrotman | Anynomous: yeah .. they're not supposed to be here .. but it continues .. |
| 13:51.18 | Eulex | m0rbid, checked out the mounting panel plugin? |
| 13:51.22 | resiak | !tell lainard about usb-storage |
| 13:51.22 | phyrster | atp: you see my msg ？？ |
| 13:51.23 | laurens_ | Nemohu nalézt knihovnu pro témata v module_path: That makes sense. |
| 13:51.25 | atp | i really don't mind seeing people speaking other languages, even ones i don't understand, but many people who can only speak one language get annoyed by it |
| 13:51.27 | m0rbid | resiak: which one is decent though? |
| 13:51.31 | m0rbid | Eulex? |
| 13:51.32 | atp | phyrster: nope :/ |
| 13:51.33 | resiak | m0rbid: Why not try a few. |
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| 13:51.44 | abrotman | atp: no .. there are channels for that .. it's retarded .. take it elsewhere |
| 13:51.54 | Pfated | atp: If you folks discuss DEBIAN in Chinese, by all means. But as it is, it's both off-topic and off-language. Take it elsewhere. |
| 13:51.59 | atp | abrotman: you'll notice that i stopped. but i'll respectfully disagree that it's retarded. |
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| 13:52.08 | lainard | resiak : its wireless usb stick |
| 13:52.09 | laurens_ | commencons a parler francais? |
| 13:52.10 | abrotman | too bad ... you're wrong :) |
| 13:52.16 | atp | Pfated: haha, i thought you couldn't read chinese :) |
| 13:52.17 | abrotman | Anynomous: any better luck ? |
| 13:52.19 | Eulex | m0rbid, http://xfce-goodies.berlios.de/ |
| 13:52.21 | lainard | !tell lainard about usb-wireless |
| 13:52.23 | laurens_ | Lassen wir jeden Deutsch reden :P |
| 13:52.31 | atp | ja deutsch ist auch gut |
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| 13:52.34 | liable | wtf is a wireless usb stick? |
| 13:52.35 | lainard | !tell lainard about usb stick wireless |
| 13:52.38 | abrotman | are you stupid ? |
| 13:52.44 | resiak | lainard: both wireless and usb? What's one of those? |
| 13:52.48 | laurens_ | liable: wireless usb dongle |
| 13:52.48 | abrotman | !tell lainard about listkeys usb |
| 13:52.50 | The_Vulture | liable: a usb wireless interface.. |
| 13:53.01 | Eulex | m0rbid, http://xfce-goodies.berlios.de/images/mount-plugin.png |
| 13:53.03 | Pfated | atp: I can really simple bits. |
| 13:53.07 | resiak | Oh, a wireless lan card?! |
| 13:53.11 | atp | Pfated: that's not bad. are you an abc? |
| 13:53.12 | abrotman | lainard: i didn't mean you were stupid .. i meant atp and laurens_ |
| 13:53.19 | laurens_ | resiak: which goes into usb |
| 13:53.20 | atp | abrotman: you're excessively negative, man. |
| 13:53.22 | Pfated | atp: Also I said it didn't make sense to me. I didn't say I couldn't read. |
| 13:53.27 | resiak | laurens_: What chipset is it? |
| 13:53.29 | abrotman | atp: you're being excessively annoying ? |
| 13:53.31 | Guerin | atp: she failed high scholl mandarin .. and her surname is Wu |
| 13:53.41 | Pfated | Yeh, blow me. I topped in English. |
| 13:53.41 | laurens_ | resiak: depends. Lots of them are prism, which is great under linux |
| 13:53.58 | abrotman | Pfated: well enough you can say "blow me" :) |
| 13:54.00 | Anynomous | OK .. it seems to be working now. IIRC I have to deselect some modules while configuring xserver-xfree86 |
| 13:54.01 | resiak | laurens_: Sorry, I meant to talk to lainard |
| 13:54.02 | Guerin | Pfated: it's ok, i fail typing again every day |
| 13:54.07 | Pfated | abrotman: I can say lots others, too. :) |
| 13:54.09 | laurens_ | resiak: no problem :P |
| 13:54.10 | Pfated | Guerin: Heh. |
| 13:54.11 | resiak | lainard: What chipset is it? |
| 13:54.11 | abrotman | heh |
| 13:54.20 | atp | Pfated: so, you're a failure, eh? |
| 13:54.24 | atp | Pfated: sorry, sorry, im j/k |
| 13:54.28 | laurens_ | resiak: You know you need a life when you can correctly answer questions not at all directed at you :P |
| 13:54.34 | resiak | laurens_: Heheh |
| 13:54.37 | Pfated | atp: Excuse me? |
| 13:54.37 | resiak | laurens_: go get one |
| 13:54.46 | atp | Pfated: i'm refering to guerin's comment |
| 13:54.51 | atp | Pfated: about you failing high school mandarin |
| 13:55.03 | Pfated | atp: Ah. Being an idiot, then. Very well. |
| 13:55.10 | lainard | resiak : i dont know what chipset |
| 13:55.15 | resiak | lainard: Why not find out? |
| 13:55.17 | atp | Pfated: aiya don't take it the wrong way, i'm just being a dork. |
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| 13:55.43 | Pfated | atp: Oh, please. Begging off on count of stupidity doesn't excuse you from being an offensive person. |
| 13:55.43 | laurens_ | wget ftp://ftp.belnet.be/debian/pool/main/l/life/life_1.0.0_i386.deb |
| 13:55.47 | Anynomous | atp : dork == penis of whale, right? |
| 13:55.51 | laurens_ | No such directory `debian/pool/main/l/life'. |
| 13:55.55 | atp | Anynomous: aparently |
| 13:56.05 | laurens_ | resiak: File bug report? |
| 13:56.06 | abrotman | Anynomous: working now ? |
| 13:56.06 | lainard | resiak : its v.2 802.11 |
| 13:56.13 | laurens_ | resiak: apt doesn't even have it |
| 13:56.16 | atp | Pfated: wait... why are you upset at me? |
| 13:56.16 | resiak | lainard: That's not a chipset. |
| 13:56.16 | lainard | resiak : skyr@cer |
| 13:56.16 | abrotman | Eulex: see what ? |
| 13:56.19 | liable | the penis of a whale? |
| 13:56.32 | resiak | lainard: google it, find out what chipset it is |
| 13:56.35 | laurens_ | E: Couldn't find package life |
| 13:56.39 | Eulex | ah, nuttin |
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| 13:56.42 | laurens_ | lainard: ahem |
| 13:56.45 | laurens_ | lainard: lsusb/ |
| 13:56.53 | laurens_ | lainard: cat /proc/bus/usb/* |
| 13:56.58 | laurens_ | :-) |
| 13:56.58 | Pfated | atp: I'm not sure, but I'll make it simpler and drop this conversation. It's offtopic anyway. |
| 13:57.01 | Deek | Apparently the official language of #debian is pidgin. :) |
| 13:57.14 | laurens_ | pig latin > pidgin |
| 13:57.17 | Pfated | It's English, even if the Americans can't speak it right. :) |
| 13:57.30 | laurens_ | Pfated: properly, Pfated , properly |
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| 13:57.37 | arnau | hey |
| 13:57.41 | Pfated | laurens_: Indeed. |
| 13:57.41 | abrotman | laurens_: i was just looking the other day .. i think madwifi.sf.net has some usb wifi stuffs |
| 13:57.43 | paulswm | :singlishsmite laurens_ |
| 13:57.47 | paulswm | !singlishsmite laurens_ |
| 13:57.47 | Anynomous | Do I have to deselect GLcore? |
| 13:57.48 | dpkg | laurens_: Still say some more! Whack you then you know! |
| 13:57.52 | laurens_ | right isn't an adverb ;-) :P |
| 13:57.54 | arnau | is someone knows a bit about manageable switch ? |
| 13:57.55 | resiak | !fruitsmite abrotman |
| 13:58.01 | Anynomous | (I don't recall which doc tells me what to do) |
| 13:58.03 | abrotman | !g4ltsmite resiak |
| 13:58.04 | laurens_ | !smite me |
| 13:58.10 | laurens_ | there we go :P |
| 13:58.13 | laurens_ | dpkg: snack |
| 13:58.13 | dpkg | Yess, pleaaaaaaaase |
| 13:58.14 | atp | does fruitsmite have durian |
| 13:58.16 | atp | ? |
| 13:58.20 | atp | that would be good for smacking with. |
| 13:58.22 | tomiq | is there anyone able 2 help me fix a problem with gtk theme engine??? |
| 13:58.32 | resiak | depends if you say what the problem _is_ |
| 13:58.36 | abrotman | Anynomous: i'm not sure .. i don't own nvidia |
| 13:58.37 | meff | where do i put ttf fonts in debian so all users can use them? is there some sort of 'local' font dir? |
| 13:58.40 | Deek | Nobody speaks English properly. That's why it's English. :) |
| 13:58.43 | laurens_ | tomiq: I wud b abul 2 help u |
| 13:58.50 | laurens_ | </satire> |
| 13:58.54 | tomiq | i posted it some screens above... |
| 13:58.54 | laurens_ | tomiq: What's the problem? :-) |
| 13:59.00 | tarzeau | meff: /usr/share/fonts |
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| 13:59.06 | laurens_ | what ugly language is that? |
| 13:59.11 | Anynomous | OK .. I will check if it works. |
| 13:59.12 | abrotman | Deek: i are english .. i speaks it well! |
| 13:59.12 | tomiq | (grip:7468): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_hide: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget) ' failed |
| 13:59.21 | laurens_ | Nemohu nalézt knihovnu pro témata v module_path: "p ixmap", |
| 13:59.34 | Pfated | abrotman: speakum, my lad, speakum. |
| 13:59.40 | laurens_ | sounds like chezchs |
| 13:59.41 | abrotman | heh |
| 13:59.44 | laurens_ | czech |
| 13:59.48 | atp | laurens_: yeah, looks slavik |
| 13:59.51 | laurens_ | wow i spelled it correctly after only one try |
| 14:00.02 | tomiq | grip fails to start, but worked just fine... don't know, where is the cause.. |
| 14:00.04 | atp | laurens_: the v in isolation seems pretty czech |
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| 14:00.07 | Anynomous | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:00.07 | Anynomous | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:00.09 | abrotman | tomiq: does it work ok with another theme ? |
| 14:00.10 | tomiq | czech... |
| 14:00.45 | Deek | (the man that belongs to the queen) |
| 14:01.02 | resiak | tomiq: ... That message is a warning. Does grip actually _work_? |
| 14:01.14 | tomiq | Anonymous: there are already removed : i have nvidia kernel module.. |
| 14:01.25 | Eulex | tomiq, that's probably not the cause. look below. |
| 14:01.42 | laurens_ | Deek: ztuf dat kommouta mianus! |
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| 14:02.01 | atp | laurens_: you're going to drive abrotman batty. |
| 14:02.08 | abrotman | or make me call ops :) |
| 14:02.08 | laurens_ | atp: even more/ |
| 14:02.18 | Anynomous | ok |
| 14:02.27 | Anynomous | Now I will try and reboot X. |
| 14:02.30 | abrotman | laurens_: atp: of course .. you could take it to /msg .. and stop filling the channel |
| 14:02.33 | tomiq | i'll post the whole report to my ftp, just wait.. |
| 14:02.34 | atp | laurens_: woher kommst du anyway |
| 14:02.46 | laurens_ | abrotman: That was actually english |
| 14:02.46 | resiak | !paste |
| 14:02.46 | dpkg | [paste] Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 14:02.47 | valdyn | tomiq: the line you pasted above is not directly an error, just showing off some ugly coding |
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| 14:02.55 | laurens_ | abrotman: Deek understood it ;-) |
| 14:03.07 | atp | haha |
| 14:03.08 | abrotman | laurens_: yes .. but you and atp have been going on about this for quite a while |
| 14:03.09 | atp | it was english |
| 14:03.16 | atp | i just noticed! |
| 14:03.25 | liable | no |
| 14:03.29 | laurens_ | atp: yeah yeah, relax |
| 14:03.40 | Deek | It was a pidgin form, though. |
| 14:03.47 | atp | laurens_: sorry. i excite easily though. |
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| 14:04.05 | atp | it may be a side effect of mental retardation |
| 14:04.08 | laurens_ | atp: spot the kid with hyperactive adrenaline glands. |
| 14:04.15 | atp | or that. |
| 14:04.18 | Deek | adrenal |
| 14:04.20 | atp | it could also be lack of sleep. |
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| 14:04.45 | laurens_ | atp: check /msg |
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| 14:07.17 | darkcmd | does anyone use IceWM in here, I'm curious. |
| 14:07.42 | tomiq | http://solenelle.mysteria.cz/deb_grip.txt |
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| 14:08.27 | abrotman | darkcmd: i'm not sure how debian-centric your question is .. but there is a #icewm with 10 live souls :) |
| 14:08.30 | Eulex | tomiq, LANG=C grip and repost, please |
| 14:08.56 | darkcmd | abrotman, hehe :D |
| 14:08.57 | tomiq | there is the whole output... know, there are just warnings, but it crashes whith no further information... |
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| 14:09.45 | Deek | tomiq: That's great, how about doing it with LANG=C so we can read it? |
| 14:10.00 | Eulex | tomiq, LANG=C grip to display the warnings in english. |
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| 14:10.28 | tomiq | lang=c grip ... it is uploaded... |
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| 14:10.58 | Deek | You don't have the pixbuf theme engine installed. |
| 14:11.08 | Deek | But you're trying to use a pixmap theme. |
| 14:11.11 | Eulex | though that shouldn't make the app crash. |
| 14:11.16 | ShorTie | Good Morning Guys |
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| 14:11.27 | Deek | true. |
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| 14:11.41 | tomiq | i just don't know what's the cause... |
| 14:11.45 | Exxcaliber | Morning ShorTie |
| 14:12.13 | Eulex | though installing pixbuf and testing again wouldn't hurt, tomiq |
| 14:13.04 | mymayer | who bets with me, billy is using debian stable for not beeing hacked ? :) |
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| 14:13.31 | Deek | tomiq: gtk2-engines-pixbuf |
| 14:14.49 | ShorTie | hey i got 4 or 5 entries in grub, i'd like to clean it and get ride of everything but then one i am using, what is the correct way to do this |
| 14:15.00 | tomiq | there is left just this: |
| 14:15.00 | tomiq | (grip:7885): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_hide: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed |
| 14:15.10 | valdyn | ShorTie: you remove the kernel-image-* packages that you do not need |
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| 14:15.21 | Eulex | tomiq, google for it. |
| 14:15.32 | tomiq | i did... nothing... |
| 14:15.53 | valdyn | tomiq: thats a common warning being displayed as soon as the newer libgtk2.0 is used, it doesnt mean anything useful to yuo |
| 14:15.56 | ShorTie | ok thz |
| 14:16.07 | Anynomous | OK .. I had to manually change the driver to "nvidia" in the configfile, for some reason, otherwise it worked. |
| 14:16.20 | valdyn | Anynomous: /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 14:16.27 | tomiq | just nothing useful i found... |
| 14:17.06 | Anynomous | valdyn: Pardon? |
| 14:17.07 | nksen | is there a document bout the startup of debian? how does my debian know that my ethernet card is a eepro100 and thus loading the correct module? |
| 14:17.41 | valdyn | Anynomous: type '/msg dpkg xmd5' in your irc client for information on why you had to edit your X configfile manually |
| 14:17.42 | Anynomous | valdyn : Oh! THank you very much! |
| 14:18.01 | Anynomous | valdyn : So this means the file has been edited before! |
| 14:18.08 | w3rdn4 | how do you get rosegarden4 to repeat after a certain measure? |
| 14:18.13 | paulswm | nksen: it can probe the card's signature and compare it against a database and load the correct module in most cases |
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| 14:18.45 | valdyn | Anynomous: ...has been edited before by something that was not 'dpkg-reconfigure .... ' |
| 14:18.45 | atp | phyrster: you still there? |
| 14:18.52 | nksen | paulswm: 'most cases', i see. well I have to be sure that this is the case in my case :) so it somehow depends on discover!? |
| 14:18.54 | atp | phyrster: what input method do you use for chinese? |
| 14:19.25 | paulswm | nksen: Is it working? |
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| 14:19.53 | nksen | paulswm: discover? yes |
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| 14:20.17 | Anynomous | valdyn : THanks .. I just wanted to update the channel on having to change the config manually, and instead, I learn something new. Thank you very much! |
| 14:20.19 | paulswm | nksen: I mean your ethernet insterface |
| 14:20.23 | paulswm | interface* |
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| 14:20.31 | abrotman | !valdyn++ |
| 14:20.32 | nksen | paulswm: i do not know. the box does not come up after reboot |
| 14:20.40 | Gnea | rssh isn't working right when i add a user=username:/path/to/chroot/dir, what's up with that? i set it to allow sftp and it allows it, and if i make a global chroot path, it honors it, but for specific users it doesn't |
| 14:20.42 | nksen | paulswm: and i do not have physical access |
| 14:20.53 | tomiq | valdyn: But it won't work... there is a possibility, that i installed new libraries, that won't fit... i remember there were some with "c2" endings... |
| 14:20.55 | Deek | It doesn't depend on discover. |
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| 14:21.09 | nksen | so how does it work? i do not need to know how it's not working! |
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| 14:21.17 | chungaroo | can someone help me upgrade my openoffice to 2.0? |
| 14:21.19 | paulswm | nksen: It doesn't come up, or it doesn't bring up the interface? |
| 14:21.26 | Gnea | the chroot environment is all setup too |
| 14:21.36 | valdyn | chungaroo: in which debian release |
| 14:21.37 | abrotman | chungaroo: ask #debian-oo if they have any debs yet |
| 14:21.40 | Deek | I don't have discover installed and hotplug finds my ethernet. |
| 14:21.52 | chungaroo | valdyn: i'm using mepis |
| 14:22.01 | abrotman | chungaroo: then ask #mepis |
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| 14:22.09 | valdyn | chungaroo: then you're asking for help in the wrong channel |
| 14:22.09 | tomiq | this forum loox promising... |
| 14:22.19 | nksen | paulswm: how should I know? |
| 14:22.26 | chungaroo | valdyn: thanks for the redirect! =) |
| 14:22.46 | paulswm | nksen: see Deek's remark above, I don't have discover running either and all 5 of my boxes have their NICs detected correctly |
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| 14:23.38 | nksen | paulswm: well you know if via rhine is supported and detected from all debian kernel-images? |
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| 14:23.56 | Deek | I even had to blacklist the e100 module to keep it from loading because my laptop doesn't have anything plugged into the port. |
| 14:24.06 | valdyn | nksen: there's basicaly 3 methods for pci device 'h/w detection' 1) discover 2)hotplug 3) driver being loaded or being compiled in |
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| 14:24.45 | paulswm | nksen: Well you have to see the console, you are possibly jumping to a conclusion here. ethernet NIC configuration is usually pretty reliable, unless it's a PCMCIA card which is always plugged in, then you have to do a bit of tap dancing because the default boot process has networking start BEFORE pcmcia probing |
| 14:24.45 | abrotman | udev removes hotplug in etch |
| 14:25.18 | paulswm | In etch, that is, recently |
| 14:25.35 | abrotman | i said etch |
| 14:25.43 | KurtKraut | Where can I have a list of kernel optmized for certain processsors ? Someone told me that linux-k7 was better to AMD Semprom processors, bu I never found that information in a document. |
| 14:25.48 | paulswm | abrotman: I was qualifying my own remarks |
| 14:25.52 | abrotman | oh |
| 14:26.06 | valdyn | KurtKraut: apt-cache show <packagename> |
| 14:26.08 | abrotman | KurtKraut: none of the docs at debian.org ? |
| 14:26.12 | paulswm | !prise abrotman |
| 14:26.17 | abrotman | !prize paulswm |
| 14:26.22 | Deek | KurtKraut: It's a K7. Thus you use the K7 kernel. :) |
| 14:26.31 | abrotman | too obvious! |
| 14:26.41 | paulswm | abrotman: Heh, just like old times, buddy :P |
| 14:26.54 | antgel | does it make sense to train spamassassin's bayesian filter with mail that it has *already* flagged as spam? |
| 14:27.02 | KurtKraut | abrotman: if I put "linux-k7" in the search tool, nothing is found about that on debian.org - you may try it by youself |
| 14:27.15 | valdyn | antgel: sure, why not? |
| 14:27.20 | abrotman | KurtKraut: the debian.org ? search engine |
| 14:27.24 | tomiq | did anyone see some window manager tweeking forum, which should be useful for those who want it be (and friendly act) more like MAC? |
| 14:27.30 | KurtKraut | abrotman: yeap |
| 14:27.30 | Gnea | KurtKraut: try "linux k7" |
| 14:27.46 | valdyn | antgel: naturally the effect of training depends on why it had been flagged though and how similar it is to the spam you get |
| 14:27.46 | antgel | valdyn: my thinking was that as it already picked this stuff out as spam, what would be the point of feeding it back in |
| 14:27.58 | Gnea | abrotman: hey, you ever used rssh? it's a beotch ;) |
| 14:28.15 | abrotman | KurtKraut: you know .. that search has been broken .. for years afaik |
| 14:28.16 | valdyn | antgel: if its similar to spam that would not be detected by the other rules/filters |
| 14:28.42 | nkuttler | tomiq: check gnustep.org |
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| 14:28.46 | KurtKraut | abrotman: but they are using google.com search engine. It should be working nice, should'nt it ? |
| 14:28.54 | antgel | valdyn: don't quite get that |
| 14:29.02 | abrotman | KurtKraut: i'm not sure .. |
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| 14:29.24 | Deek | antgel: Because bayesian filtering is not the only thing SA uses to scan. |
| 14:29.39 | abrotman | KurtKraut: http://packages.debian.org/testing/base/linux-image-2.6.12-1-k7 .. like that ? |
| 14:29.59 | Deek | antgel: The spam may have passed the bayesian filter but gotten caught by the others. |
| 14:30.03 | KurtKraut | abauer: just enter in http://search.debian.org that you will see the google tool. |
| 14:30.12 | m4lu7 | regarding pivot_root: (from the manpage) "... movies the root filesystem of the current process ..." ... does this translate to: "root fs only changed for the shell process i execute pivot root in, or does root change globally? |
| 14:30.28 | KurtKraut | abrotman: I would like to use a stable k7 kernel |
| 14:30.31 | mymayer | where to find to "known_hosts" fiel in windows ? |
| 14:30.44 | valdyn | antgel: newer spam might be filtered out *only* for similarity to the mail you just tought sa to be spam, but not for the reasons why the just tought mail got filtered |
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| 14:30.55 | antgel | Deek: aha. let's assume in most cases it was caught by the others. so you are saying that bayesian filter can still learn from these mails |
| 14:31.04 | Deek | antgel: yes. |
| 14:31.44 | antgel | Deek, valdyn: thanks. i'll give it a crack now. last week or two, it's been a little less impressive, so time to get bayesian on their ass! |
| 14:31.54 | antgel | or arse, if you are british like me |
| 14:31.56 | Deek | So you should actually feed it spam as well as ham that you receive. |
| 14:32.36 | antgel | i'm going to look for a way to automatically train bayes from mail that is flagged as spam, so i don't have to keep training it |
| 14:33.40 | KurtKraut | abrotman: but what bodders me that I can't find a single document that says 'if you have the X processors, for better performance, use the X kernel' |
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| 14:34.10 | abrotman | KurtKraut: that would kernel docs .. |
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| 14:34.30 | antgel | KurtKraut: it's pretty obvious. it's in make menuconfig. also, probably somewhere in /usr/src/<kernel>/Documentation |
| 14:34.31 | KurtKraut | abrotman: and where can I red them ? |
| 14:34.44 | antgel | abrotman: big mac meal |
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| 14:35.28 | abrotman | antgel: i had eggs |
| 14:35.35 | tomiq | nkuttler: it seems there is not the stuff i look for... but i will keep on trying... you know those linux wms aren't so intuitive as macos is. I want something smoother and easy to use in daily work... not spending time figuring "how that could be done", just smoothly drag and work... |
| 14:37.17 | antgel | abrotman: scrambled? |
| 14:37.28 | abrotman | KurtKraut: i googled a bit .. couldn't find anything .. maybe #kernel would know where to look |
| 14:37.30 | abrotman | antgel: yes |
| 14:37.30 | valdyn | tomiq: pick gnome or kde or xfce4, install one, use it |
| 14:37.52 | antgel | abrotman: good work. my chemical big mac is making me want to go to sleep |
| 14:38.18 | grelli | oh man |
| 14:38.22 | grelli | it's starting to get light out |
| 14:38.27 | KurtKraut | abrotman: so, you must agree with me that for this subject, there is a lack of documentation, right ? That's the point I was trying to state. |
| 14:38.45 | antgel | grelli: it's 2:38 in the afternoon here and it's nearly pitch black |
| 14:38.54 | abrotman | KurtKraut: i'm not saying there's a lack .. i'm saying my google-fu is failing me :) |
| 14:39.10 | grelli | antgel: I've got to ask... where is "here"? |
| 14:39.13 | abrotman | KurtKraut: i'm sure the kernel source has it documented .. i just can't find it |
| 14:39.18 | valdyn | KurtKraut: it is to obvious, what is there to document? |
| 14:39.32 | antgel | grelli: .uk |
| 14:39.44 | valdyn | KurtKraut: beside that, it might just be that no one ever benchmarks this properly so differnces might even be irrelevant |
| 14:39.56 | grelli | and it's pitch black? |
| 14:40.06 | grelli | why did you scorch your sky? |
| 14:40.10 | abrotman | i think he's looking for a document that says to use k7 for sempron |
| 14:40.24 | KurtKraut | valdyn: that's another doubt that I have... if it is worth using a linux-k7 kernel |
| 14:41.16 | m0rbid | ok im having an issue with mounting two other hdd's in my box, issue is? I dont know how. i dont know how to list them to see what they are called (ie: hdb1 etc..) |
| 14:41.17 | tomiq | valdyn: i'm using metacity gnome... but it's not useable enough for me... those configurations are weird... |
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| 14:41.51 | antgel | KurtKraut: is your current system dissatisfying you in any way? then again, it's not hard to install one with aptitude |
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| 14:42.10 | antgel | m0rbid: grep hd /var/log/dmesg |
| 14:42.11 | abrotman | gah .. my google-fu sucks |
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| 14:43.12 | valdyn | tomiq: new systems are always weird, dont think mac's are 'intuitive' for me.. |
| 14:43.24 | m0rbid | antgel: ty |
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| 14:44.09 | w3rdn4 | is there a way to import midi for hydrogen? |
| 14:45.01 | m0rbid | uhh, can fstab mount an NTFS drive? |
| 14:45.08 | valdyn | m0rbid: yes |
| 14:45.22 | m0rbid | no special packages needed? |
| 14:45.26 | asuffield | read only though |
| 14:45.31 | m0rbid | thats fine |
| 14:45.38 | tomiq | valdyn: there is lot of information about options on mac... and things are smoothly linked with each other... didn't find it on any linux wm, or what... |
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| 14:46.47 | valdyn | tomiq: you probably want to give an example to get help with whatever, but its true, macs GUI is better integrated than any other unix's |
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| 14:47.22 | wakasan | hi my mouse is not working on gui ... how can i probe it .. |
| 14:47.42 | valdyn | wakasan: try mdetect |
| 14:47.45 | m0rbid | ok fstab re-written, now I have to reboot? |
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| 14:48.02 | utonto | hello |
| 14:48.08 | valdyn | m0rbid: no, why? |
| 14:48.10 | antgel | m0rbid: no. why reboot? |
| 14:48.28 | KurtKraut | antgel: it is not fully dissatisfying... but if I spent some money to get a certain processor, I should use alll benefits provided by its engeneering, right ? |
| 14:48.31 | m0rbid | well I went to the folder where it should have mounted to and nothing is there, |
| 14:48.48 | utonto | after resizing a windows XP partition with ubuntu breezy installer I can't boot windows anymore with the error "disk error" any hint? |
| 14:48.57 | KurtKraut | antgel: This is my effort... to get the best from my processor |
| 14:48.58 | abrotman | utonto: #ubuntu |
| 14:49.13 | valdyn | m0rbid: adding to fstab does nothing yet. now type 'mount /path/to/mountpoint' ( as root ) |
| 14:49.16 | utonto | ops sorry I was sure join the right channel |
| 14:49.23 | m0rbid | oh ok, thanks |
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| 14:49.41 | antgel | KurtKraut: yeah, but don't worry unduly. the time you spend thinking about it is time you could spend doing something more exciting. my colleague chris who has a EE background points out that everyone is seduced by processor marketing terms that we don't understand :) |
| 14:49.45 | valdyn | m0rbid: booting just runs /etc/init.d/mountall.sh |
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| 14:51.10 | valdyn | KurtKraut: if insignificant and subjectively unnoticable performance gains mean something to you... |
| 14:51.39 | tomiq | valdyn: i will try enlightenment... it seems work ... |
| 14:51.51 | valdyn | tomiq: now thats a step into the wrong direction |
| 14:52.09 | valdyn | tomiq: enlightenment is by hackers, for hackers, not really making anything easy |
| 14:52.22 | abrotman | valdyn: dont' tell Gnea that :) |
| 14:52.35 | valdyn | tomiq: ( probably except coding extensions ) |
| 14:52.40 | valdyn | abrotman: hah |
| 14:52.47 | dshot | I have a seemingly simple question -- is there a quick way to print out how a package was built. For instance, what the configure options were for the apache debian package or mysql-server debian package, etc. |
| 14:53.10 | tomiq | valdyn: i know the configuration is hard and terminal-based... but it gives many features... |
| 14:53.33 | abrotman | dshot: you get the source package .. use 'ar' on it .. look in the resulting files |
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| 14:53.48 | valdyn | tomiq: have fun.. |
| 14:54.05 | abrotman | dshot: er .. not the source package .. just the package :) |
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| 14:54.14 | atp | hey, i'm getting a weird error when i run update-exim4.conf: 2005-11-06 23:06:39 Exim configuration error in line 185 of /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated.tmp: main option "acl_whitelist_local_deny" unknown |
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| 14:54.29 | atp | anyone seen this before? |
| 14:54.30 | Khiraly | hi |
| 14:54.39 | atp | running etch |
| 14:54.50 | Mjelva | hey valdyn - now that i'm on xorg, what config file should i edit to change my drivers? |
| 14:55.03 | tomiq | valdyn: there is much more fun with gnome... |
| 14:55.04 | valdyn | Mjelva: run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 14:55.22 | antgel | <poll>does anyone else's mouse get as filthy as mine?</poll> i've been scraping all kind of crap off it, eww |
| 14:55.29 | Khiraly | where is the device file for usb pen ? (I use 2.6.14. For 2.4.27 it was /dev/sda.) |
| 14:55.36 | abrotman | antgel: trackpoint! |
| 14:55.49 | m0rbid | hmmm, permissions |
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| 14:55.50 | Mjelva | valdyn - ok. it's set to i810. i have no idea if that's the right driver or not, but i'm still getting a lot of lag when i play movies. |
| 14:55.51 | atp | i like the nipple on my thinkpad personally |
| 14:55.52 | valdyn | antgel: you use an old school non-optical mouse? |
| 14:55.59 | abrotman | antgel: though . optical mice are nice too |
| 14:56.23 | valdyn | Mjelva: is /etc/X11/xorg.conf now showing i810 ? |
| 14:56.35 | m0rbid | chown user (mounted dir) doesnt work, how do I do this? |
| 14:56.44 | antgel | abrotman: you reckon? i try not to use the mouse, but i haven't weaned myself off wmaker yet. i wonder if is would be better or worse for my ris |
| 14:56.49 | antgel | s/ris/rsi |
| 14:56.53 | Mjelva | valdyn - indeed it is. |
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| 14:57.12 | atp | antgel: you should consider ion or ratpoison if you're trying to avoid the mouse |
| 14:57.17 | livinded | whats initrd do with the kernel? |
| 14:57.19 | antgel | valdyn: nah, optical all the way. don't even go there. it's not ball dirt, it appears to be congealed sweat etc |
| 14:57.20 | abrotman | blackbox! |
| 14:57.28 | valdyn | Mjelva: glxinfo | grep -i direct |
| 14:57.46 | atp | antgel: sweat shouldn't congeal... been looking at porn again eh :) |
| 14:57.53 | antgel | atp: i have had a go with ratpoision recently and was getting into it, but not quickly enough to replace wmaker yet |
| 14:58.11 | Mjelva | valdyn - connection to :0.0 refused by server, no protocol specified. |
| 14:58.12 | abrotman | it's the oil from your skin |
| 14:58.17 | atp | antgel: yeah, well, wmaker is definitely nice. just because you're mouse averse ratpoison isn't a bad wm. |
| 14:58.25 | abrotman | antgel: blackbox! |
| 14:58.25 | valdyn | Mjelva: not as root.. |
| 14:58.34 | m0rbid | antgel: I have them mounted now, but when i am not root, it wont let me in them. |
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| 14:58.44 | abrotman | oh wait .. though i never figured out how to launch the menu with blackbox .. but i'm sure it's possible |
| 14:58.46 | valdyn | Mjelva: to run X applications as root, use 'sudo' or 'sux', not 'su' |
| 14:58.50 | antgel | m0rbid: that's because you didn't read man fstab and man mount |
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| 14:59.01 | antgel | abrotman: why? |
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| 14:59.07 | valdyn | Mjelva: however i wanted the output of that command run as user anyway |
| 14:59.09 | abrotman | antgel: why what ? |
| 14:59.11 | atp | people run x apps as root? jeez |
| 14:59.24 | antgel | abrotman: you have a goldfish-like memory. why blackbox? |
| 14:59.26 | abrotman | !sux |
| 14:59.27 | dpkg | i guess sux is su with xauth, to run X apps as root: http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ or sucks, or "I have an exagerrated opinion about something I don't really know much about.", or apt-get install sux, or something that anyone who spells "sucks" as "sux" does. |
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| 14:59.49 | syntaxx | i play totem and it says trying to play an encrypted dvd without libdvdcss what do i need to do? |
| 15:00.01 | valdyn | !marillat |
| 15:00.01 | dpkg | hmm... marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt >= 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> |
| 15:00.02 | dpm_ | hi there. Can anyone tell me what stock icons are? Thanks. |
| 15:00.02 | abrotman | antgel: oh .. i used it for a long time .. i dont' really like using the mouse either .. but i never figured out how to launch apps with the keyboard .. though i probably didn't try very hard :) |
| 15:00.09 | valdyn | syntaxx: install libdvdcss2 from marillat |
| 15:00.10 | antgel | atp: care to sum up ion vs ratpoison? |
| 15:00.19 | Mjelva | valdyn - ok. ran it as regular user. returns "direct rendering: no", "OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect" |
| 15:00.27 | antgel | abrotman: ever tried typing the app name at a shell prompt <ducks> |
| 15:00.28 | abrotman | antgel: it's ion3 iirc(the package i mean) |
| 15:00.31 | atp | antgel: to be honest i've not used much ratpoison, primarily ion and pwm, which were written by the same bloke |
| 15:00.37 | valdyn | Mjelva: alright, please try the same as root ( using sudo or sux ) |
| 15:00.38 | abrotman | antgel: make me hurt you! |
| 15:00.44 | atp | antgel: it's entirely possible that ratpoison is more actively developped |
| 15:00.50 | atp | antgel: developed even |
| 15:01.04 | syntaxx | valdyn, thanks |
| 15:01.04 | atp | antgel: just judging by pwm |
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| 15:01.30 | Mjelva | valdyn - i don't have sudo set up. it just says "not in the sudoers file" |
| 15:01.37 | dshot | aha, so basically apt-get source <package_name> then looking in the 'debian' dir there is a file called 'rules' that contains all of the configure options |
| 15:01.37 | Mjelva | valdyn - how do i fix that real quick-like? |
| 15:01.39 | dshot | fyi |
| 15:01.44 | valdyn | Mjelva: install sux and use that |
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| 15:01.55 | valdyn | Mjelva: sux <enter> ( after you installed it ) |
| 15:01.56 | antgel | atp: as i say, i was quite into ratpoison, but perhaps i wasn't confident enough to use it day-to-day. on wmaker, i have 9 virtual desktops, with about 40 apps (mostly terminals) scattered amongst them. i didn't see how i could organise things like that in ratpoison |
| 15:02.10 | atp | Mjelva: i have, root ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 15:02.11 | atp | atp ALL=(ALL) ALL in my sudoers file |
| 15:02.17 | abrotman | antgel: blackbox! |
| 15:02.19 | atp | Mjelva: works well. |
| 15:02.42 | atp | antgel: that shouldn't be a problem with ion i don't think. |
| 15:02.52 | antgel | abrotman: i'm on the website now |
| 15:02.57 | atp | antgel: ion is pretty badass really. but i generally use pwm because i'm not mouse averse :) |
| 15:03.02 | atp | antgel: ion is like screen for X |
| 15:03.02 | antgel | atp: i'll investiate it |
| 15:03.06 | Knight_Lord | I have 4 file servers i would like to monitor. Can anyone a good monitor program? |
| 15:03.09 | Gnea | !rssh |
| 15:03.09 | dpkg | it has been said that rssh is a restricted shell for use with OpenSSH, allowing only scp and/or sftp, at <www.pizzashack.org/rssh/index.shtml>. |
| 15:03.17 | Gnea | grrr |
| 15:03.20 | abrotman | Gnea: wait .. you asked me a question a long time ago! |
| 15:03.21 | Knight_Lord | I have 4 file servers i would like to monitor. Can anyone *suggest* a good monitor program? |
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| 15:03.31 | abrotman | Gnea: no .. i haven't |
| 15:03.39 | Gnea | abrotman: i did, and i think i had to go afk! |
| 15:03.43 | Gnea | damn |
| 15:03.50 | Gnea | i need to get this up and working |
| 15:03.54 | Mjelva | valdyn - i ran command "sux" and typed root passwd, then ran glxinfo | grep -i direct again. same output |
| 15:03.56 | Gnea | i can connect just fine |
| 15:04.08 | Gnea | but the dirs don't get chrooted unless i give it a global definition |
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| 15:04.18 | Gnea | if i try to specify user, it fails |
| 15:04.25 | syntaxx | valdyn, i apt-get install libdvdcss2 but still having the error |
| 15:04.28 | Gnea | and the example syntax is thus wrong |
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| 15:04.47 | valdyn | syntaxx: and you restarted totem? |
| 15:04.53 | syntaxx | valdyn, yes |
| 15:05.35 | valdyn | !libdvdcss |
| 15:05.36 | dpkg | from memory, libdvdcss is NOT in debian - those who even utter its name can expect to be shipped to Guantanamo Bay. for filthy patent-free europeans, see /usr/share/doc/libdvdread?/README.Debian or run /usr/share/doc/libdvdread?/examples/install-css.sh |
| 15:05.53 | valdyn | syntaxx: hmm no idea |
| 15:06.08 | valdyn | syntaxx: are you using totem-gstreamer ? |
| 15:06.21 | syntaxx | valdyn, totem movie player i guess |
| 15:06.32 | antgel | blackbox and pwm look interesting, but no better than wmaker. i need ratpoison or ion, i think |
| 15:06.34 | valdyn | syntaxx: yea, but there's totem-xine and totem-gstreamer |
| 15:06.45 | m0rbid | I dont see what I am missing, I set the drive default,user and I can mount the drive as user, but cant read it. |
| 15:06.47 | pif | hi, is there no help system available in Openoffice2? |
| 15:06.52 | abrotman | antgel: olwm! |
| 15:06.52 | syntaxx | valdyn, im using totem-xine |
| 15:07.02 | antgel | abrotman: are you fucking with me? |
| 15:07.13 | abrotman | antgel: with olwm .. yes :) |
| 15:07.17 | abrotman | !info olwm |
| 15:07.42 | valdyn | Mjelva: need your whole /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf pasted somewhere and I might get a clue |
| 15:08.37 | dpkg | olwm: (Open Look Window Manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 3.2p1.4-19.1 (sid), Packaged size: 134 kB, Installed size: 308 kB |
| 15:08.43 | Mjelva | valdyn - that's pretty long. i'll put it up for download or something. hang on. |
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| 15:08.46 | loca|host | where to start reading about making deb packages, i want to get my web application into deb package |
| 15:08.53 | syntaxx | valdyn, on gstreamer it says no uri handler implemented for 'dvd://' |
| 15:09.00 | valdyn | Mjelva: yea, or use some paste site, just not flood |
| 15:09.00 | antgel | !tell loca|host about mng |
| 15:09.02 | abrotman | !nm |
| 15:09.02 | dpkg | i guess nm is New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen. And also nevermind, or a program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. at http://nm.debian.org/ |
| 15:09.03 | syntaxx | valdyn, totem-gstreamer |
| 15:09.03 | antgel | !tell loca|host about nmg |
| 15:09.06 | abrotman | err .. shit |
| 15:09.09 | valdyn | syntaxx: yea, dont use that one |
| 15:09.09 | abrotman | !mg |
| 15:09.09 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or maint-guide.en.html in sarge/sid). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or the shorthand for Madagascar |
| 15:09.56 | syntaxx | valdyn, any other good dvd player on repositories? |
| 15:10.03 | antgel | this looks a little interesting http://www.gilesorr.com/papers/otherwm/book1.html |
| 15:10.17 | valdyn | syntaxx: do you have libdvdread3 or libdvdread4 installed? |
| 15:10.42 | Mjelva | valdyn - do you remember off-hand where apache puts its web files? like index.html etc |
| 15:10.44 | syntaxx | valdyn, libdvdread3 yes |
| 15:11.08 | valdyn | syntaxx: alright, i dont know whats wrong or what you are missing, try installing mplayer from marillat and try using that one |
| 15:11.11 | Wyzard | Mjelva: /var/www by default |
| 15:11.20 | syntaxx | valdyn, ok thanks |
| 15:11.20 | antgel | !ion |
| 15:11.20 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ion is http://modeemi.cs.tut.fi/~tuomov/ion/, or smaller than a breadbox |
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| 15:12.49 | valdyn | Mjelva: oh, and the output of xvinfo too |
| 15:12.52 | Khiraly | I have upgraded to kernel 2.6.14, and the device /dev/sda is not accessible anymore (I have /proc/bus/usb/devices file and /proc/scsi/usb-storage/0 too). My usb pen appear in the dmesg too. |
| 15:12.53 | syntaxx | valdyn, mplayer-386? |
| 15:12.55 | abrotman | antgel: blackbox! |
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| 15:13.02 | valdyn | syntaxx: whatever suits you |
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| 15:13.16 | Khiraly | any ideas? |
| 15:13.18 | syntaxx | valdyn, ok thanks |
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| 15:14.11 | Wyzard | Khiraly: Is the sd_mod module loaded? |
| 15:14.43 | Khiraly | Hmm. I dont have sd_mod |
| 15:15.02 | valdyn | !custom kernel |
| 15:15.03 | dpkg | read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD", or see <debian kernel image> |
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| 15:15.12 | Khiraly | Where is it in the menuconfig? Maybe I have forgotten to compile it |
| 15:15.16 | Mjelva | valdyn - can i pm you? |
| 15:15.19 | Mjelva | with the URLs |
| 15:15.43 | Wyzard | Khiraly: In menuconfig it's called "SCSI disk support" |
| 15:15.45 | valdyn | Mjelva: ok ( why not past the URLS here though? ) |
| 15:15.45 | tomiq | valdyn: http://www.aqua-soft.org/board/showthread.php?t=5384 |
| 15:15.45 | tomiq | but it just about mac look... i'd like some mac apps... you know macs are too expensive in europe... |
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| 15:16.00 | Mjelva | 'cause my ip is super sekrat |
| 15:16.13 | Mjelva | you'd all hax my gibson, amirite? |
| 15:16.14 | Wyzard | Khiraly: usb-storage makes your USB pen drive look like a SCSI disk, but you still need sd_mod to actually access the data on that SCSI disk |
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| 15:16.24 | abrotman | Mjelva: /whois Mjelva |
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| 15:16.39 | Mjelva | :( |
| 15:16.42 | haluk16 | slm |
| 15:16.47 | haluk16 | kimse |
| 15:16.51 | haluk16 | yokmu yaa |
| 15:16.53 | Mjelva | okay then |
| 15:16.57 | Khiraly | Wyzard: I'll check it. Just a moment |
| 15:17.01 | haluk16 | nerden |
| 15:17.04 | haluk16 | ya |
| 15:17.07 | Wyzard | Khiraly: See if you can modprobe it |
| 15:17.16 | w3rdn4 | does anyone know of a program that records midi input? |
| 15:17.26 | abrotman | apt-cache search midi ? |
| 15:17.29 | Khiraly | modprobe sd_mod does not work (didnt find it) |
| 15:17.37 | antgel | w3rdn4: you mean a sequencer? |
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| 15:17.46 | Wyzard | Khiraly: ok... then if you're running a custom kernel, you probably left it out |
| 15:17.49 | abrotman | antgel: blackbox! |
| 15:17.58 | antgel | Khiraly: didn't you build your own kernel? that'll teach you |
| 15:18.13 | Wyzard | antgel: A custom kernel isn't a bad thing |
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| 15:18.23 | abrotman | it is when you make it poorly :) |
| 15:18.27 | pusling | is there a quick and dirty command to get source, builddep, build and install a package ? |
| 15:18.28 | antgel | Wyzard: uh, it is if you fuck it up |
| 15:18.41 | Mjelva | what was that third file you mentioned, valdyn ? |
| 15:18.55 | valdyn | Mjelva: the output of 'xvinfo' |
| 15:19.02 | Wyzard | antgel: Trying it and making a few mistakes are how you learn how to do it properly |
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| 15:19.25 | Wyzard | antgel: and even if the stock kernel is adequate on most systems, knowing how to make a good custom one is a valuable skill |
| 15:19.32 | Khiraly | antgel, Wyzard: yeah, its a custom kernel. And I forgotten the SCSI disk support to add it. (I have added SCS device support, just lefted it out) |
| 15:19.33 | Mjelva | valdyn - "X-Video Extension version 2.2" "screen #0" "no adaptors present" |
| 15:19.38 | mymayer | abrotman how do we fixed my mous problem yesterda ?! i had the mouse not connected at startup, how to test it, how to install it ? sorry, needed to reinstall debian cause of hdd crash |
| 15:19.45 | valdyn | Mjelva: ok |
| 15:19.50 | abrotman | mymayer: /dev/psaux ? |
| 15:19.57 | valdyn | Mjelva: the URL? did you msg me? |
| 15:19.59 | antgel | Wyzard: do me a favour. it's not even a skill these days. everyone thinks they're a hacker because they can type make menuconfig etc |
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| 15:20.22 | Mjelva | valdyn - yes i did. i'll post it here as well, for good measure. |
| 15:20.23 | antgel | Khiraly: may I suggest that you use a kernel-image? |
| 15:20.26 | Khiraly | antgel: the 2.4.27 kernel didnt have acpi support. The 2.6.8 kernel (in debian sid) had a bug, and the network disappeared after 20-30 second. |
| 15:20.33 | Wyzard | antgel: I'm not talking about being a l33t h4x0r, I'm talking about knowing how to customize a kernel in a situation where you find it's necessary |
| 15:20.44 | Khiraly | antgel: I have used kernel image. |
| 15:20.47 | antgel | Khiraly: fine. then install a later image from www.backports.org |
| 15:20.49 | valdyn | Mjelva: didnt get it, probably b/c you arent identified on freenode |
| 15:20.57 | Mjelva | valdyn - http://217.13.16.218/xorg.conf and http://217.13.16.218/Xorg.0.log |
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| 15:21.18 | antgel | Wyzard: indeed. i think it would help many people if they copied a debian .config and altered only what they need, then they wouldn't leave bits out |
| 15:21.21 | PuGz | hey everyone |
| 15:21.37 | Khiraly | antgel: I will just make a new make-kpkg kernel-image, with the modified .config file. Thx for the hint Wyzard ! |
| 15:21.50 | mymayer | abrotman i sellected in the xserver configuratioin, but my xserver fails to start |
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| 15:22.07 | abrotman | mymayer: check /var/log/XFree86.0.log for EE lines ... |
| 15:22.21 | antgel | Khiraly: sure. good luck. i advise you to install a debian image. as i recall, you are having ndiswrapper problems, also related to your custom kernel. save yourself the aggro and visit www.backports.org |
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| 15:23.16 | mymayer | abrotman : |
| 15:23.18 | mymayer | Fatal server error: |
| 15:23.18 | mymayer | could not open default font 'fixed'; |
| 15:23.24 | abrotman | !fixed |
| 15:23.24 | dpkg | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix |
| 15:23.27 | mymayer | maybe i forget to isntall the fonts ? |
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| 15:23.38 | abrotman | mymayer: apt-get install xfonts-base |
| 15:23.39 | mymayer | ok |
| 15:23.41 | valdyn | Mjelva: still the same old thing, you're using the right driver now, but missing agpgart, put the output of lspci up please |
| 15:23.53 | abrotman | mymayer: perhaps apt-get install x-window-system |
| 15:24.05 | Khiraly | antgel: I have resolved. I have compiled ndiswrapper for the custom kernel (with make-kpkg kernel_image), and everythink works fine. Just forgotten about scsi disk support. Oh, and the stock kernel doesnt have ALPS touchpad enabled. |
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| 15:24.15 | fantomas | Hi. I installed new fonts, sent SIGUSR1 to xfs (to make it reload configuration files) but new fonts still not available in X. What should I do next? |
| 15:24.23 | Mjelva | valdyn - erhm, how do i copy from an xterm? |
| 15:24.27 | antgel | mymayer: x-window-system-core unless you think xdm is good |
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| 15:24.41 | valdyn | Mjelva: lspci > lspci.txt |
| 15:24.44 | antgel | Khiraly: not even as a module? |
| 15:24.54 | amiad | Is there anyone from Hungary here? |
| 15:25.01 | Khiraly | amiad: yes, me. |
| 15:25.08 | amiad | ohhh good |
| 15:25.18 | Mjelva | valdyn - ok. http://217.13.16.218/lspci.txt |
| 15:25.20 | amiad | can you plz help me with something |
| 15:25.33 | Khiraly | msg me. ofcours, if I can |
| 15:25.36 | antgel | !tell amiad about plz |
| 15:25.58 | syntaxx | valdyn, mplayer doesnt have gui? |
| 15:26.36 | valdyn | syntaxx: it does, if you start it with gmplayer, but its probably eaiser to just type: mplayer dvd:// |
| 15:26.55 | livinded | do i need all the encryptions stuff in hardware crypto devices? |
| 15:27.11 | Wyzard | livinded: Not unless you actually have those hardware crypto devices |
| 15:27.17 | livinded | ok |
| 15:27.31 | livinded | oh wai tits in cryptographic options |
| 15:27.34 | livinded | not hardware |
| 15:27.37 | syntaxx | valdyn, hmm black screen nothing happen |
| 15:27.50 | antgel | livinded: if you are compiling a kernel and don't know the answer, why are you compiling a kernel? |
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| 15:28.10 | Wyzard | antgel: To learn the answer, of course |
| 15:28.18 | livinded | i know how to compile a kernel |
| 15:28.28 | livinded | just wondering if i need all the encryptions |
| 15:28.30 | Wyzard | antgel: If nobody ever compiled a custom kernel without already being an expert at it, nobody would ever learn it at all |
| 15:28.32 | Khiraly | antgel: custom kernel is a good think. |
| 15:28.36 | atp | does anyone here know troff well? how do i prevent nroff from adding a bunch of extra space at the end of of a short troff document (ie, how can i make it ignore "pages")? |
| 15:28.36 | antgel | Wyzard: why does he need to compile a kernel to learn the answer |
| 15:28.52 | antgel | Khiraly: why? all it has done is bring you grief |
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| 15:29.21 | atp | custom kernels are fun but not if you aren't interested in hacking around |
| 15:29.22 | Wyzard | antgel: If he wasn't looking in menuconfig he wouldn't even have seen those options, wouldn't know they were there |
| 15:29.40 | Mjelva | valdyn - did you see the lspci output? |
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| 15:29.44 | antgel | Wyzard: precisely. so he wouldn't know, wouldn't care, and could do something more useful with his time |
| 15:30.05 | amiad | Is there anyone from Hungary here? |
| 15:30.14 | Khiraly | antgel: I have explained. The 2.4 kernel didnt have acpi, the 2.6.8 had a network bug in it. I need the 2.6.14 for bcm43xx project, etc, etc. (custom kernel is optimized for my cpu). I compiled in laptop-mode |
| 15:30.18 | atp | amiad: we have a no hungarians policy on this channel. |
| 15:30.20 | Wyzard | livinded: I include most of the ciphers and hash functions (except for some weak ones that I'm unlikely to ever use, like MD4)... those drivers all do the crypto in software |
| 15:30.27 | mymayer | abrotman thank you, it worked |
| 15:30.37 | mymayer | i never installed a xserver myself |
| 15:30.37 | amiad | khiraly ? |
| 15:30.43 | livinded | ok |
| 15:30.44 | valdyn | Mjelva: yea, trying to figure this out |
| 15:30.47 | Wyzard | livinded: The hardware-crypto drivers are for specific hardware which I don't have, so I omit those |
| 15:30.47 | mymayer | this time i did and forgot stuff.. |
| 15:30.53 | fantomas | Ok. Lets try this way: is it possible to install new font without restarting X? |
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| 15:30.57 | livinded | like i said, i'm nto totally new to compiling kernels |
| 15:31.09 | abrotman | mymayer: everything AOK now ? |
| 15:31.14 | antgel | fantomas: yes |
| 15:31.28 | fantomas | antgel: even if xfs is used? |
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| 15:31.46 | Wyzard | livinded: The only thing I currently actually *use* the crypto for is dm-crypt, for encrypted swap |
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| 15:32.11 | antgel | fantomas: don't know. restart xfs and perhaps rehash the fontpath, as if you weren't using xfs |
| 15:32.28 | fantomas | antgel: thats it! rewhat? :) |
| 15:32.29 | valdyn | how do you get the /dev/agpgart device with PCI Express ( if that is possible at all ) ? |
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| 15:33.03 | antgel | fantomas: xset fp rehash |
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| 15:33.09 | abrotman | Wyzard: xfs rules! |
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| 15:33.30 | abrotman | Wyzard: i apparently have it installed .. maybe from the x-window-system package ? |
| 15:33.32 | antgel | Wyzard: that's obvious to you, surely. to *learn* xfs |
| 15:33.34 | Wyzard | abrotman: XFS-the-filesystem does... not xfs-the-fontserver :-) |
| 15:33.59 | abrotman | i know what you meant |
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| 15:34.24 | valdyn | Mjelva: uname -r |
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| 15:35.10 | Mjelva | valdyn - 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 15:35.15 | Wyzard | antgel: There's some merit in that, but unless you need to serve fonts to multiple clients over a network, there's really no point in even learning since it provides no benefit |
| 15:35.20 | mymayer | can i label partition with fdisk after creating them ? |
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| 15:35.48 | antgel | Wyzard: you missed my sarcasm. there is no more point in learning xfs if you don't need it, than learning to build a kernel if you don't need it |
| 15:36.35 | Wyzard | fantomas: Many modern applications (like QT and GTK2, and anything else which supports anti-aliased fonts) do client-side font rendering, though, so the fonts provided by the X server are irrelevant |
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| 15:37.05 | klark | hello, what was the char that closed an email ? i can't remember it and i need to test an email server throw telent... |
| 15:37.08 | Wyzard | antgel: and I don't see why you think there's no benefit in knowing how to build a custom kernel |
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| 15:37.15 | abrotman | none .. zero |
| 15:37.19 | lovdahls | looks like grub and/or debian fucked my windows installation. I installed grub into MRB, debian found windows, but I can't boot windows now. it just gives me 5-10 strange characters |
| 15:37.21 | Wyzard | klark: Isn't it just a blank line? |
| 15:37.27 | antgel | Wyzard: because for most people, it's not necessary |
| 15:37.29 | nlight | klark, a dot on a new line |
| 15:37.36 | klark | 354 End data with <CR><LF>.<CR><LF> |
| 15:37.42 | orchid | antgel: he clearly said it was |
| 15:37.47 | klark | dosen't work |
| 15:37.49 | lovdahls | I also tried to boot with the windows CD and run fixmbr from the console, but I still can't boot windows again. and this windows installation is important.. |
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| 15:37.50 | Wyzard | antgel: Just going through all the options in menuconfig and reading their help is a great way to learn about the capabilities of the kernel |
| 15:37.59 | nlight | klark, newline, dot, newline ? |
| 15:38.04 | Wyzard | antgel: That's how I learned of ide-scsi and usb-storage, for example |
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| 15:38.18 | klark | no.. |
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| 15:38.43 | lovdahls | any idea how I can get into windows again? |
| 15:38.51 | lovdahls | preferably via grub |
| 15:38.59 | antgel | Wyzard: i see. and how is "learning the capabilities of the kernel", for it's own sake, useful? |
| 15:39.09 | Wyzard | lovdahls: Is your Windows installation on hda and Debian on hdb? |
| 15:39.22 | lovdahls | Wyzard: Windows is on hda1, and Debian on hda3 |
| 15:39.42 | Wyzard | lovdahls: Which drive is GRUB on? |
| 15:39.51 | Wyzard | lovdahls: and more importantly, which drive is the BIOS configured to boot from? |
| 15:39.55 | lovdahls | Wyzard: MBR at hda |
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| 15:40.02 | lovdahls | Wyzard: hda |
| 15:40.20 | livinded | for soem reason windows doesn't like being on a slave drive |
| 15:40.27 | lovdahls | livinded: it's on a master drive |
| 15:40.34 | Wyzard | lovdahls: hmm... if the GRUB config for booting Windows is the usual "rootnoverify (hd0,0)" and "chainloader +1", that should work |
| 15:40.35 | livinded | i could never get grub to boot it slave |
| 15:40.37 | antgel | livinded: not true |
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| 15:40.56 | Wyzard | livinded: It's possible to work around that with GRUB's "map" command |
| 15:41.00 | livinded | oh |
| 15:41.01 | lovdahls | Wyzard: my grub config should be all right |
| 15:41.08 | antgel | livinded: your second comment was more accurate |
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| 15:41.32 | lovdahls | rootnoverify (hd0,0) savedefault makeactive chainloader (hd0,0)+1 |
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| 15:41.42 | livinded | what does the map command do that you need it? |
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| 15:41.49 | Mjelva | valdyn - figure anything out? |
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| 15:42.24 | Wyzard | antgel: It's part of being an "expert", just like having a familiarity with the set of packages available in the distribution of your choice, and knowing details of how networking works, etc. |
| 15:42.50 | Wyzard | antgel: Not everyone needs to be an expert, of course, but you can't say there's no point in learning if one wants to learn |
| 15:42.54 | valdyn | Mjelva: you need a kernel that supports your intel chipset. Im not sure which one is the first to support it, try a kernel-image-2.6.8.. from sarge or even a newer one from etch or sid |
| 15:42.56 | abrotman | --beer-drinker comes to mind :) |
| 15:42.58 | m0rbid | is apt-get update in unstable broken? |
| 15:43.02 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 15:43.02 | valdyn | Mjelva: your X itself is fine now |
| 15:43.16 | antgel | Wyzard: crapola. being an expert means learning what you *need* to learn |
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| 15:43.24 | Mjelva | valdyn - okays. do i need to wipe and reinstall everything, or can i upgrade my kernel somehow? |
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| 15:43.34 | valdyn | Mjelva: just install a kernel |
| 15:43.41 | Mjelva | valdyn - how? |
| 15:43.52 | Eulex | Mjelva, apt-get it |
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| 15:43.59 | Mjelva | how? |
| 15:44.06 | Mjelva | apt-get install what? |
| 15:44.06 | antgel | m0rbid: why are you using unstable? |
| 15:44.06 | m0rbid | Mjelva: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 15:44.08 | valdyn | Mjelva: apt-get cache search kernel-image - pick one, install it |
| 15:44.22 | r00t|vaio | i just apt-get upgrade'd a sid box, and the version of xserver-xorg it installed segfaults on startup (both with nvidia and nv)... i also tried the version from etch, same thing... is there anything broken there or is it just me? |
| 15:44.24 | Mjelva | which one do you recommend? |
| 15:44.44 | abrotman | r00t|vaio: you checked the BTS ? |
| 15:44.52 | antgel | r00t|vaio: did you check the bts? |
| 15:44.53 | Wyzard | antgel: Being an expert means being able to deal with new and unforeseen needs, either already knowing what you need to know to solve the problem, or knowing exactly where to focus your research |
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| 15:45.28 | m0rbid | antgel: I copied another sources.list over by accident, didnt notice it untill after I did apt-get upgrade. |
| 15:45.32 | thomerz | hi, how i can find not used packages with aptitude? |
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| 15:45.43 | Mjelva | valdyn - which kernel image do you recommend? |
| 15:45.44 | jmnet | hello, I have ssh running on my server, I can access it thorugh my network, but I cannot get to it from outside the network, I have told iptables to accept requests to port 22, but still nothing, anything I could be missing |
| 15:45.44 | m0rbid | antgel: I dotn know how to sucsessfully downgrade. |
| 15:45.46 | abrotman | perhaps he's trying to say that unneccesarily compiling your kernel is an exercise in futility .. somewhat akin to recompiling gnome/kde for no real reason |
| 15:46.01 | r00t|vaio | abrotman: if you mean bugs.debian.org for xserver-xorg, there's nothing |
| 15:46.12 | valdyn | Mjelva: http://packages.debian.org/testing/base/linux-image-2.6-386 <- go there, download the .deb, dpkg -i <file.deb> , reboot |
| 15:46.12 | abrotman | there are no bugs ? |
| 15:46.19 | abrotman | r00t|vaio: it just segfaults ? |
| 15:46.19 | Wyzard | abrotman: Speaking of compiling things, I tried building OpenOffice on my Gentoo box a few days ago, and was amazed to find that 2.4GB of free space was not enough for the build |
| 15:46.21 | m0rbid | how does one downgrade? |
| 15:46.30 | antgel | Wyzard: you're missing my point. i'm saying that building a kernel when you don't need to is pointless. you're (rightly) saying that using xfs when you don't need to is pointless. what's the difference? |
| 15:46.35 | abrotman | Wyzard: should i act surprised? :) |
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| 15:46.45 | antgel | Wyzard: ah, you've got a gentoo box. that explains it :) |
| 15:46.56 | r00t|vaio | abrotman: yes, with no direct clue as to what causes it in the log |
| 15:46.57 | xoz | !downgrade |
| 15:46.57 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
| 15:47.20 | Wyzard | antgel: As a secondary box, yes... I figure I shouldn't limit my scope of experience to the Debian ways of doing things |
| 15:47.35 | Khiraly | Mjelva: I recommend 2.6.14, there is 802.11x stack built-in. |
| 15:47.38 | abrotman | r00t|vaio: i'm pretty sure that with each xserver-xorg upgrade .. you have to reinstall your nvidia drivers |
| 15:47.54 | r00t|vaio | abrotman: as i said, 'nv' crashes too! |
| 15:47.56 | abrotman | Wyzard: should i put gentoo on my 486 ? :) |
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| 15:48.01 | moer | how to untar a .tar file? |
| 15:48.05 | valdyn | Khiraly: i wasnt going to recommend a sid kernel, though you are probably right ) |
| 15:48.05 | abrotman | r00t|vaio: and vesa ? |
| 15:48.13 | r00t|vaio | moer: tar xv file.tar |
| 15:48.13 | antgel | abrotman: i'll tell you where to stick your gentoo |
| 15:48.18 | Khiraly | r00t|vaio: You can try to grab xserver-xfree instead of xorg. Maybe more chance |
| 15:48.19 | Mjelva | valdyn - is that supposed to be such a small file, or did my download just crap out? |
| 15:48.21 | abrotman | antgel: on my 486 ? |
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| 15:48.37 | antgel | abrotman: stick your gentoo where the sun don't shine |
| 15:48.39 | macsim | hi |
| 15:48.39 | Wyzard | abrotman: Guaranteed to kill your processor by wear&tear before you even have a bootable installation :-) |
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| 15:48.43 | valdyn | Mjelva: that link wasnt to a file but to a web page |
| 15:48.43 | r00t|vaio | Khiraly: it would seem that xserver-xfree86 was turned into a dummy that installs xorg |
| 15:48.48 | abrotman | antgel: the 486 is in my closet :) |
| 15:48.58 | Mjelva | valdyn - yes, but http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6-386_2.6.12-10_i386.deb |
| 15:48.59 | antgel | abrotman: smartarse |
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| 15:49.08 | abrotman | Wyzard: doubtful .. that 486 has been through hell .. and still runs |
| 15:49.20 | valdyn | Mjelva: oh, thats my fault, i linked you a metapackage, sec |
| 15:49.27 | macsim | A little question, is it possible to install debian sid with oO2 gnome on a 300Mhz 256Mb memory 4Gb HD ? |
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| 15:49.46 | rzr | hi |
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| 15:49.52 | Wyzard | antgel: I compile custom kernels mainly so I can use kernel-patch-debianlogo, but every time I upgrade to a new kernel I go through all the sections of menuconfig, just to see what's new and what's changed |
| 15:49.53 | valdyn | Mjelva: http://packages.debian.org/testing/base/linux-image-2.6.12-1-386 |
| 15:49.54 | antgel | macsim: if you have to ask, why are you planning to install sid? |
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| 15:49.58 | Wyzard | antgel: I think that sort of thing is valuable |
| 15:50.02 | abrotman | macsim: i'm not sure OO2 is in sid yet |
| 15:50.02 | Khiraly | r00t|vaio: maybe try to edit sources.list (stable) and grab the old xserver-xfree infrastructure. |
| 15:50.08 | antgel | Wyzard: you must have a lot of spare time. |
| 15:50.13 | abrotman | macsim: and yes .. it will run .. but very very slowly |
| 15:50.17 | rzr | i to downgrade packages, i have xorg experimental, and : sudo apt-get install -t unstable --reinstall xserver-xorg does not put unstable's one |
| 15:50.30 | Wyzard | antgel: not really... it only takes a few minutes, and new kernels don't come out all that often |
| 15:50.34 | abrotman | whoda thunk you could make something run slower than OO1 and KDE .. combined ... |
| 15:50.45 | antgel | Wyzard: ah! so it's *your opinion* that it is valuable, although i still can't see why |
| 15:51.13 | abrotman | cause he's from philly! |
| 15:51.16 | antgel | Khiraly: you are a nutter. please don't advise people to do system-hosing things |
| 15:51.17 | abrotman | !phillysmite Wyzard |
| 15:51.18 | Mjelva | thanks, valdyn ! |
| 15:51.28 | Wyzard | hehe |
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| 15:51.40 | antgel | abrotman: when you know smites like that, you know you spend too much time here |
| 15:51.42 | Tortel | !stupidsmite me |
| 15:51.49 | Tortel | :( |
| 15:51.49 | abrotman | antgel: i made it :) |
| 15:51.53 | Phated | antgel: When you have your own smite. :) |
| 15:51.56 | Phated | !phatedsmite antgel |
| 15:51.59 | Phated | :) |
| 15:52.02 | antgel | grr |
| 15:52.04 | abrotman | see .. i don't have my own |
| 15:52.09 | abrotman | !abrotmansmite antgel |
| 15:52.12 | abrotman | :( |
| 15:52.15 | antgel | abrotman: s/know smites/make smites |
| 15:52.16 | dclemen | hi , can anyone help me, I can not mount or write in my dvd / dvd+-rw |
| 15:52.17 | atp | it should involve telling people to speak english |
| 15:52.22 | dclemen | here are some info |
| 15:52.23 | Tortel | !Tortelsmite Tortel |
| 15:52.27 | Tortel | :( |
| 15:52.27 | abrotman | antgel: it was to go with |
| 15:52.28 | dclemen | http://pastebin.com/419386 |
| 15:52.31 | abrotman | !yinzersmite antgel |
| 15:52.39 | antgel | !sunday |
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| 15:52.40 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 15:52.43 | abrotman | antgel: yinzers are from the other side of the sate |
| 15:52.47 | moer | x tar: /dev/sa0: Cannot open: Permission denied |
| 15:52.47 | moer | tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now |
| 15:53.08 | valdyn | dclemen: /media/dvd is a mountpoint, your dvd is already mounted |
| 15:53.09 | abrotman | aw .. i think i hurt atp's feelings .. |
| 15:53.16 | atp | abrotman: naw, i'm kidding |
| 15:53.20 | atp | abrotman: i'm a good sport about things. |
| 15:53.23 | Khiraly | antgel: sorry. I was just brainstorming what I should do in that place. (crashing xserver). |
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| 15:53.34 | abrotman | atp: but i think there is such a smite ... |
| 15:53.35 | dclemen | valdyn my dvd are not mounted |
| 15:53.40 | valdyn | dclemen: oh sorry, i misread |
| 15:53.42 | atp | oh yeah? |
| 15:53.43 | antgel | Khiraly: well, then don't advise yourself to hose your own system :) |
| 15:53.49 | atp | !englishsmite atp |
| 15:53.51 | atp | hm |
| 15:53.53 | atp | nope |
| 15:53.55 | valdyn | dclemen: what is on that dvd? |
| 15:54.01 | antgel | !smite abrotman |
| 15:54.05 | abrotman | woohoo |
| 15:54.08 | moer | how to untar a .tar file |
| 15:54.13 | abrotman | man tar |
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| 15:54.18 | atp | moer: tar -xf file.tar |
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| 15:54.20 | Tortel | !smite Tortel |
| 15:54.20 | moer | tar xv didn't work |
| 15:54.24 | Tortel | ow |
| 15:54.27 | livinded | use v |
| 15:54.28 | moer | this gives an error |
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| 15:54.34 | atp | v sucks beavis |
| 15:54.35 | livinded | look at what it says |
| 15:54.36 | valdyn | dclemen: its probably not an is9660 filesystem but udf |
| 15:54.48 | livinded | tar -xvf |
| 15:54.49 | Phated | moer: xf, not xv... :) |
| 15:54.49 | atp | spam sucks |
| 15:54.57 | antgel | moer: xvf |
| 15:54.58 | atp | just say no to v |
| 15:54.59 | jmnet | hello, I have ssh running on my server, I can access it thorugh my network, but I cannot get to it from outside the network, I have told iptables to accept requests to port 22, but still nothing, anything I could be missing? |
| 15:55.19 | valdyn | jmnet: there's a router between your box and the internet? |
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| 15:55.42 | antgel | jmnet: yes. you could be missing pasting us the output of iptables -L -t nat |
| 15:55.48 | jmnet | valdyn: just a switch |
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| 15:56.07 | antgel | jmnet: in that case, iptables -L |
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| 15:56.11 | valdyn | jmnet: hardly |
| 15:56.32 | antgel | jmnet: does this server have a public ip? |
| 15:56.38 | valdyn | jmnet: route -n |
| 15:56.38 | macsim | hum, work but slow :/ I want to remove a win98 installation form a computeur, but I look for an alternative |
| 15:56.45 | jmnet | valdyn: yup |
| 15:56.47 | abrotman | antgel: will you help me compile my kernel |
| 15:56.55 | valdyn | jmnet: a switch cannot link directly to the internet |
| 15:57.01 | dclemen__ | valdyn, sorry I had to reconnect |
| 15:57.03 | antgel | macsim: well just don't use gnome or kde and try not to use openoffice |
| 15:57.12 | TheCount | jo antgel :) |
| 15:57.12 | antgel | abrotman: sure, be right with you |
| 15:57.21 | antgel | TheCount: sup |
| 15:57.28 | abrotman | antgel: no good reason .. just cause i'm bored :) |
| 15:57.29 | macsim | antgel: I have to move win98+ms office but linux |
| 15:57.31 | valdyn | dclemen__: your dvd is probably not an iso9660 filesystem, but udf |
| 15:57.39 | macsim | s/but/by |
| 15:57.44 | atp | abrotman: are you doing something exotic? |
| 15:58.09 | abrotman | atp: that's a bit personal .. don't you think? |
| 15:58.12 | TheCount | antgel: hackin' for filmfreiheit.de :) |
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| 15:58.17 | antgel | abrotman: that's the best reason i've heard in months. just download the vanilla source, hack .config manually, don't use make-kpkg, and finally, remember to fuck up your bootloader config |
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| 15:58.19 | m4lu7 | hmm. kernel panic... not syncing: VFS Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block... what gives? |
| 15:58.25 | TheCount | antgel: 'bout you? :) |
| 15:58.33 | abrotman | antgel: thanks .. bbs |
| 15:58.37 | Khiraly | m4lu7: wrong root device in grub menu.lst |
| 15:58.39 | antgel | TheCount: i'm at work |
| 15:58.48 | TheCount | antgel: on a sunday? wow. |
| 15:58.49 | dclemen__ | valdyn; dvd is "debian 3.1 dvd" |
| 15:58.50 | Khiraly | m4lu7: I had the same problem today |
| 15:58.51 | m4lu7 | Khiraly, /dev/hda1 , that's the right one. |
| 15:58.54 | atp | abrotman: not really... you seem like a knowledgeable guy, and compiling kernels is pretty basic stuff, so it surprised me that you needed help doing it (not that there's anything wrong with that, mind you) |
| 15:58.59 | dclemen__ | I think this is iso9660 |
| 15:59.00 | Wyzard | m4lu7: missing initrd option in your lilo/grub config, maybe |
| 15:59.09 | Khiraly | m4lu7: and what is in the /boot/grub/menu.lst file? |
| 15:59.18 | abrotman | atp: it was a joke .. you missed the earlier dialogue between antgel and Wyzard apparently |
| 15:59.22 | dclemen__ | I try different dvd or cd's in dvd and dvd-r but always same error |
| 15:59.25 | m4lu7 | initrd has ide-generic mod, (i can see hda in boot mssg prior to panic) |
| 15:59.26 | antgel | TheCount: there are two of us and we do the work of five idiots, so this is often necessary |
| 15:59.31 | Tortel | !smite Tortel |
| 15:59.34 | atp | abrotman: i did :) |
| 15:59.47 | abrotman | atp: mmm .. backlog :) |
| 15:59.56 | valdyn | dclemen__: try 'mount /dev/sr0 / /mnt/cdrom' |
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| 16:00.01 | antgel | abrotman: i find it's best to write .config from scratch to be more minimal and efficient. use ed. |
| 16:00.20 | valdyn | dclemen__: or try 'mount /dev/sr0 / /media/dvd' ( i dont care about the mountpoint ) |
| 16:00.20 | atp | antgel: i agree! |
| 16:00.22 | dclemen__ | without -t option |
| 16:00.22 | m4lu7 | Khiraly, not much, just: http://pastebin.com/419400 |
| 16:00.28 | valdyn | dclemen__: yea |
| 16:00.34 | atp | antgel: i didn't realize anyone other than me did that. |
| 16:00.40 | r00t|vaio | i installed Xorg-debug, and it does not crash, but it also loads xorg.conf instead of XF86Config-4 (and doesn't work with a copy of it) |
| 16:00.52 | dclemen__ | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 16:00.53 | abrotman | antgel: hehe |
| 16:01.02 | antgel | macsim: just stay away from kde and gnome. OOo won't be too bad, maybe, if you use it lightly. make sure you have lots of ram, if you can |
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| 16:01.19 | dclemen__ | -t udf gets same error that -t iso9660 |
| 16:01.19 | abrotman | blackbox! |
| 16:01.29 | antgel | r00t|vaio: what's your problem? unstable xorg crashing? |
| 16:01.51 | r00t|vaio | antgel: yes... |
| 16:01.57 | TheCount | antgel: oh damn |
| 16:02.00 | dclemen__ | my machine is an amd64bits , with debian mad64, and HDD are SATA , dvd are ide |
| 16:02.06 | antgel | atp: was it you who mentioned ion before? looks good, i might try it on my laptop |
| 16:02.10 | TheCount | antgel: but I know the problem ;) |
| 16:02.17 | antgel | r00t|vaio: did you check the bts? |
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| 16:02.36 | dclemen__ | I ask in debian-amd64, but everybody are sleeping |
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| 16:02.45 | r00t|vaio | antgel: what's there supposed to be? there aren't any critical bugs listed for xserver-xorg |
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| 16:03.02 | r00t|vaio | antgel: and nothing about crashes on startup |
| 16:03.04 | Khiraly | m4lu7: it seems right to me (hd0,0 and hda1). No idea. I had the same kernel panic today, but I had wrong root parameter in my menu.lst file (/dev/hda3 instead /dev/hda1). Sorry |
| 16:03.08 | antgel | TheCount: it's okay really, gives me time to get on with things that would get left otherwise due to customer presuure in the week. e.g. configure bugzilla, give support, humour, and modesty to #debian ;) |
| 16:03.17 | m4lu7 | Khiraly, hmmmm. |
| 16:03.28 | antgel | r00t|vaio: hmm. it's segfaulting, yeah? |
| 16:03.35 | m4lu7 | piix is compiled into kernel; that's about the only thing i imagine might be hanging |
| 16:03.35 | atp | antgel: that was me :) |
| 16:03.54 | r00t|vaio | antgel: yes... |
| 16:03.55 | atp | man, does no one here know how to use groff? |
| 16:04.00 | atp | this is really frustrating. |
| 16:04.10 | antgel | atp: my only concern was something like gimp, and i think my concern was valid, see http://www.gilesorr.com/papers/otherwm/x967.html |
| 16:04.22 | antgel | atp: but this would happen with ratpoison as well |
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| 16:04.36 | atp | yeah, i think that the gimp just generally has a wacky interface |
| 16:04.37 | antgel | r00t|vaio: are you using startx? what if you just type X? |
| 16:04.56 | r00t|vaio | i type 'X' or rather 'Xorg' |
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| 16:05.11 | r00t|vaio | ok... now it's running with 'nv' after i reinstalled the pakckage.... |
| 16:05.18 | r00t|vaio | still crashes with nvidia tho' |
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| 16:05.31 | antgel | atp: i can't blame gimp for assuming that the user can view more than one window at once :) |
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| 16:05.55 | antgel | r00t|vaio: well reinstall or ditch the propietary drivers |
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| 16:06.05 | Mjelva | valdyn - kernel updated. wlan0 seems to be gone, tho. ndiswrapper still reports that the driver is installed, but ifconfig claims wlan0 is gone. |
| 16:06.18 | atp | antgel: well, using ion you can view more than one window at once. the gimp is just sort of wacky :p |
| 16:06.25 | scorphus | hello, where can I get help regarding the debian-user mailing list? |
| 16:06.26 | arvind | how do I get a fully working workstation including nice desktop? |
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| 16:06.41 | valdyn | Mjelva: you have to recompile your ndiswrapper |
| 16:06.47 | valdyn | Mjelva: what about your X though? |
| 16:06.48 | stew | arvind: run tasksel, or run aptitude and go to tasks and choose desktop |
| 16:06.52 | antgel | arvind: be less vague. you new to linux? |
| 16:06.54 | Mjelva | valdyn - my x seems fine. |
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| 16:07.04 | Mjelva | valdyn - only that my touchpad seems like it's on speed. |
| 16:07.14 | valdyn | !mouse 2.6 |
| 16:07.14 | dpkg | methinks mouse 2.6 is see: http://kerneltrap.org/node/2199 |
| 16:07.21 | valdyn | Mjelva: read ^^^ |
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| 16:07.37 | Mjelva | k thx |
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| 16:08.53 | stew | antgel: ion supports regular floating windows desktops as well as tiled ones which makes running programs like gimp no problem |
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| 16:10.08 | antgel | stew: *drool* nice. so, you're saying e.g. desktop 1 can work in a ratpoison-type mode, desktop 2 in a wmaker-type mode? |
| 16:10.10 | Tortel | Does debian out preform windows because of the kernel? What I mean is that I have firefox, XMMS, and UT2004 demo going and it still runs smooth |
| 16:10.13 | cahoot | Mjelva: this might be of use re the touchpad: http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/2005/11/msg00046.html |
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| 16:10.43 | antgel | Tortel: it's a linux thing, for sure |
| 16:10.45 | valdyn | Tortel: and that doesnt work on windows? |
| 16:10.57 | valdyn | Tortel: im pretty sure it does.. |
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| 16:11.15 | stew | antgel: yeah and there is a third, "pane" mode: http://gallery.progn.org/graph/ion3_panews_demo |
| 16:11.23 | Tortel | It does work in windows, just not as smooth |
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| 16:11.30 | Mjelva | valdyn - how do i remove ndiswrapper before recompiling? or isn't that required? |
| 16:11.37 | valdyn | Mjelva: nope |
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| 16:11.46 | antgel | stew: nice. you use ion? how's the learning curve? i use wmaker, tried ratpoison, and got on ok with it, but never happy enough to make the switch |
| 16:11.51 | valdyn | Mjelva: they wont interfer, being for different kernels and thus in different locations |
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| 16:12.04 | Mjelva | valdyn - ok. do you recommend me removing the old kernel? |
| 16:12.19 | valdyn | Mjelva: nope, good if you mess something up with this one |
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| 16:13.11 | livinded | do i not need initrd if i'm nto loading modules before boot? |
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| 16:13.32 | stew | antgel: i was coming from 2 years of ratpoison and the switch was wonderful. i got my wife to switch after 5 years of enlightenment and she picked it right up and is very happy |
| 16:13.39 | Khiraly | Mjelva: If you are building kernel from source, just install ndiswrapper-source (that will install /usr/src/ndiswrapper-source.tar.bz2 file), untar it in the /usr/src/modules directory. and in the kernel source directory, type: make-kpkg modules_image. That will create an .deb file for the kernel source. Normally it should follow the make-kpkg kernel-image command |
| 16:13.43 | valdyn | livinded: you dont need an initrd if all drivers required to load modules from your harddisk are compiled into the kernel |
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| 16:13.57 | stew | antgel: its scriptable and extremly configurable |
| 16:14.09 | r00t | well, thanks... after some more reinstalling it works now |
| 16:14.29 | Mjelva | Khiraly - i'm with you till after the untarring. what's the kernel source directory? |
| 16:14.32 | livinded | ok |
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| 16:14.36 | valdyn | Mjelva: oh, you didnt have to compile ndiswrapper before i think.. sec you need to install one more packge from testing |
| 16:14.37 | livinded | i don't plan on using any modules |
| 16:14.41 | daphiel | hi |
| 16:14.42 | livinded | o i wont be needing it |
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| 16:15.22 | valdyn | Mjelva: http://packages.debian.org/testing/devel/linux-headers-2.6.12-1-386 |
| 16:15.41 | antgel | stew: i'm not that interested in configuring. like things that are neat out of the box. i'm gonna install it on my laptop and try it on the way home. i've been screaming for a balance between wmaker and ratpoison for ages |
| 16:15.44 | daphiel | there are some known problem with udev when installing new kernels like 2.6.14? |
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| 16:16.01 | antgel | daphiel: known problems live in the bts |
| 16:16.06 | valdyn | Mjelva: after that: "apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i ndiswrapper" |
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| 16:16.16 | daphiel | antgel: what is bts? |
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| 16:17.05 | antgel | !btssmite daphiel |
| 16:17.36 | Andy837 | any idea what curl is? |
| 16:17.41 | daphiel | thanks |
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| 16:17.47 | valdyn | Andy837: apt-cache show curl |
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| 16:18.38 | Ae|-_GoD | I did some fonts extract into /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/ and then restart xfs but, I can't see these fonts, anywhere |
| 16:18.41 | Ae|-_GoD | any ideas? |
| 16:18.54 | antgel | what do they put in big macs to make them go through me in 2 hours, not to mention make me thirstier than a camel, and make my mouth be full of some shit-tasting shit? |
| 16:19.07 | valdyn | Ae|-_GoD: why the hell would you do something like that? |
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| 16:19.24 | antgel | Ae|-_GoD: yes, learn about how fonts work in X |
| 16:19.31 | Ae|-_GoD | antgel: okey |
| 16:19.35 | cahoot | antgel: NaCl on the second item |
| 16:19.48 | valdyn | !fonts |
| 16:19.48 | dpkg | fonts is, like, check http://www.nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/ for general info, ask me about <font guide>, or http://www.kegel.com/linux/tt.html and http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-02/guru_01.html or http://linuxgazette.net/issue96/adam.html, or http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt |
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| 16:20.24 | antgel | cahoot: i might make a film about how eating one big mac makes me feel high and ill, all at the same time |
| 16:20.41 | cahoot | antgel: hasn't that already benn done? |
| 16:21.05 | antgel | cahoot: ;) |
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| 16:22.25 | antgel | i wish davidleeroth was still here, i hadn't finished telling him how much van halen don't rock. the sheer tinniness of their sound makes me want to do a pixie dance3 |
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| 16:25.09 | antgel | stew: that url for the ion pane mode was great |
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| 16:26.24 | cqst | does someone know how to use libnetfilter_log ? |
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| 16:27.21 | antgel | !tell cqst about someone |
| 16:27.26 | Om | Anyone know why the versions of dbus in stable/testing/unstable are so far behind the one in experimental? |
| 16:27.53 | antgel | Om: stable speaks for itself. perhaps check the bts |
| 16:27.55 | mortehb_ | hi.. I just installed apache2.. but its impossible to start it.. with the init script.. the script dosnt says anything. |
| 16:28.05 | mortehb_ | anyone know what might be wrong? |
| 16:28.34 | valdyn | mortehb_: its started as soon as you installed it |
| 16:28.41 | asg | mortehb_: look in /var/log/apache2/error.log |
| 16:28.42 | antgel | mortehb_: yes, you are being vague and haven't pasted exactly what you are doing, or output of logs |
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| 16:30.05 | stack | whats the command to reconfigure dhcp? |
| 16:30.22 | cheal | shrug, the mail archives look really screwed up |
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| 16:30.42 | nkuttler | stack: dhclient? pump? |
| 16:31.00 | Wyzard | stack: ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 |
| 16:31.48 | mortehb_ | valdyn, asg, antgel: I got this msg when I installed apache2: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 16:31.59 | mortehb_ | and apache2 wasnt started |
| 16:32.06 | stew | mortehb_: /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 16:32.13 | asg | mortehb_: /msg dpkg apt secure ; and what does /var/log/apache2/error.log say? |
| 16:32.38 | mortehb_ | nothing |
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| 16:32.55 | mortehb_ | /var/log/apache2/error.log <-- totally empty |
| 16:33.00 | valdyn | mortehb_: what does "/etc/init.d/apache2 start" do ? |
| 16:33.14 | mortehb_ | nothing. |
| 16:33.23 | valdyn | mortehb_: ps aux | grep apache |
| 16:33.25 | mortehb_ | when I do strace on it..I see it does alot of shit |
| 16:33.50 | mortehb_ | valdyn, I know how to list processes.. that was the first thing I did |
| 16:34.15 | dshot | you just installed apache2, right |
| 16:34.18 | calljair | anyone here is familiar with "dirvish"? |
| 16:34.18 | asg | mortehb_: edit /etc/default/apache2. |
| 16:34.20 | dshot | but did you install a mpm? |
| 16:34.47 | dshot | because as I recall, Debian leaves it up to you to install the proper MPM for Apache2... worker, prefork, etc |
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| 16:34.55 | asg | dshot: it installs one by default |
| 16:35.17 | dshot | well, there goes that theory then |
| 16:35.45 | mortehb_ | yep that did the trick asg |
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| 16:36.09 | mortehb_ | I installed apach1 first.. maybe thats why that happend |
| 16:36.30 | mortehb_ | or is the /etc/default/apache2 file set to noboot default? |
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| 16:37.23 | calljair | valdyn, how are you? |
| 16:37.35 | calljair | valdyn, remember you recommend me disvish? |
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| 16:38.25 | Unuma678 | Help! I've tried to reinstall emacs, using aptitiude, and now \it fails installing! I very need emacs ! |
| 16:38.32 | Unuma678 | What can I do?? |
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| 16:38.49 | mmiikkee12 | try apt-get install emacs |
| 16:38.53 | Wyzard | Unuma678: Fails in what way? |
| 16:39.04 | mmiikkee12 | or type nano :) |
| 16:39.08 | valdyn | calljair: yea |
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| 16:39.25 | antgel | mmiikkee12: both bad suggestions |
| 16:39.34 | calljair | valdyn, sorry if I am interrupting you, I know all here are busy. |
| 16:39.52 | calljair | valdyn, but I have some doubts.. :( |
| 16:40.45 | calljair | valdyn, do I need NFS to the system work? if I am doing a back up from Linux system server to other linux server.? |
| 16:41.12 | marstewel | calljair: you can do backups with SFTP (part of the SSH package) |
| 16:41.27 | valdyn | calljair: dirvish can use plain file access, plain rsync or rsync over ssh |
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| 16:41.45 | valdyn | calljair: the last 2 are suitable for remote backups, so nfs isnt required |
| 16:41.48 | calljair | marstewel, yes, but I am trying to have some kind of automated system not manually. |
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| 16:42.24 | calljair | valdyn, do you use it? |
| 16:42.36 | valdyn | calljair: yea |
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| 16:42.46 | antgel | why would i *not* want to use --sync with sa-learn? if i want to scan some mail often, but only have the updates take effect when i run it with --sync? is it to speed up scans? |
| 16:42.46 | Khiraly | er |
| 16:43.00 | calljair | valdyn, ok I want to understand something in the configuration of the file. |
| 16:43.33 | calljair | valdyn, when i installed it create a master.conf file on the /etc/dirvish |
| 16:43.37 | Khiraly | super. The new 2.6 kernel dont have the usb-storage support what my old kernel had (2.4.27). Now, I can use normally my creppy genesys usb-to-ide device ;) |
| 16:43.41 | marstewel | calljair: can be automated also |
| 16:43.41 | Unuma678 | Wyzard: I accidently deletes somefiles from the dictionary package.. i think i need to reinstall the dictionaries-common package.. and i don't know how to do it.. |
| 16:43.44 | antgel | ignore ^^^, have read on and seen --no-sync which explains when --sync is useful |
| 16:43.47 | marstewel | calljair: host based auth |
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| 16:44.00 | Khiraly | Wyzard: thx for the sd_mod hint. It works really good |
| 16:44.01 | Wyzard | Khiraly: 2.6 has usb-storage... |
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| 16:44.12 | calljair | marstewel, how my friend what do you mean? |
| 16:44.14 | Wyzard | Khiraly: It's pretty much the same as in 2.4 |
| 16:44.22 | marstewel | calljair: man 5 sshd_config |
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| 16:44.40 | calljair | marstewel, you can schedule it??? |
| 16:44.44 | Wyzard | Khiraly: (sd_mod was needed in 2.4 too... dunno why it's not being automatically loaded now if it was before) |
| 16:44.49 | marstewel | calljair: cron |
| 16:44.56 | Khiraly | Wyzard: yes, but there is an option for the buffer-size. So with the 2.4 kernel I wasn't enable to copy a 1.4GB file to my usb disk |
| 16:45.05 | calljair | marstewel, any tutorial on the net? |
| 16:45.11 | Unuma678 | how can I reinstall a package?... |
| 16:45.12 | marstewel | doh, read the man pages |
| 16:45.15 | marstewel | or google... |
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| 16:45.26 | calljair | marstewel, ok I will thank you |
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| 16:45.42 | Khiraly | Wyzard: I had alway I/O error after the first 3-400MB. With the 2.6 kernel works like a charm. |
| 16:45.45 | marstewel | Unuma678: apt-get install --reinstall |
| 16:45.49 | Wyzard | Khiraly: Buffer size shouldn't have anything to do with how big a file you can copy to a device... that's strange |
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| 16:46.22 | Khiraly | Wyzard: moment, I give you an url, where is it explained (the usb-to-ide controller has this bug) |
| 16:46.22 | Unuma678 | marstewel: Thanks.. I hope it will work.. |
| 16:46.53 | Unuma678 | marstewel: Worked! .. thanks :) |
| 16:46.55 | calljair | valdyn, I can actually run other things beside back up the file system and the data. |
| 16:47.06 | valdyn | calljair: sure |
| 16:47.15 | Khiraly | Wyzard: http://www.linux-usb.org/FAQ.html#i5 |
| 16:47.22 | calljair | valdyn, like for example the /etc/updatedb.conf |
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| 16:47.52 | calljair | valdyn, to keep the system more stable??? |
| 16:47.59 | Wyzard | Khiraly: ah, I see |
| 16:48.02 | calljair | or updated. |
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| 16:48.09 | marstewel | calljair: updatedb is for keeping the index synced |
| 16:48.11 | carlosspain | hellooo |
| 16:48.14 | valdyn | calljair: im not sure what you are up to, linux being a preemptive multitasking system you can run whatever |
| 16:48.24 | calljair | marstewel, it is that bad? |
| 16:48.25 | carlosspain | hellooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 16:48.33 | marstewel | no, but it should be run automatically already |
| 16:48.34 | calljair | valdyn, ok |
| 16:48.35 | Mjelva | valdyn - i recompiled ndiswrapper, but it's still a no-go. what am i fucking up, here? |
| 16:48.35 | calljair | cool |
| 16:48.38 | marstewel | (from time to time) |
| 16:48.45 | calljair | I will try to test couple of things |
| 16:49.02 | valdyn | Mjelva: and you installed the newly created ndiswrapper package? |
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| 16:49.40 | Khiraly | Mjelva: did you make ndiswrapper -i bcml.inf command? (to install the windows binary. Normally its not needed, if you are just updated to a new kernel) |
| 16:50.11 | Mjelva | valdyn - i recompiled the source i already had. should i be grabbing new source first? |
| 16:50.25 | carlosspain | somebody want to speak with me???? |
| 16:50.36 | AP | http://rafb.net/paste/results/isT0HL20.html |
| 16:50.39 | AP | please help |
| 16:50.41 | valdyn | Mjelva: nope |
| 16:50.41 | calljair | valdyn, marstewel like for example, since I install my sarge stable box one Month ago I have never run updatedb :( |
| 16:51.13 | antgel | carlosspain: not unless you type something sensible |
| 16:51.13 | valdyn | Mjelva: try running 'modprobe ndiswrapper' |
| 16:51.13 | Mjelva | valdyn - so what am i doing wrong? |
| 16:51.14 | Mjelva | ok |
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| 16:51.14 | valdyn | Mjelva: i just dont htink you really installed it for your new kernel.. we will see |
| 16:51.24 | AP | http://rafb.net/paste/results/isT0HL20.html - please help me solve this error |
| 16:52.10 | Mjelva | valdyn - i think you're right. i got some error messages on the modprobe. failed to load. |
| 16:52.18 | carlosspain | ok antgel open me a windown |
| 16:52.18 | antgel | ok, sa-learn --spam --sync /var/spool/sa-exim/SApermreject/new appears to do nothing to the bayesian db. sa-learn --dump reports nothing. |
| 16:52.22 | valdyn | Mjelva: what exactly is the error? |
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| 16:52.31 | antgel | carlosspain: you call that sensible? |
| 16:52.50 | Mjelva | valdyn - hang on, let me type it over. (this is another computer) |
| 16:53.04 | Khiraly | Wyzard: Where is it explained (some short of howto), which one I should choose: udev, sysfs, devfs, etc for 2.6 kernel. Im not sure which is installed. |
| 16:53.05 | desti | FYI check out the cold war demo :-) http://coldwar.mysteria.cz/viewtopic.php?t=63 |
| 16:53.11 | ke6isf | A few minutes ago my server just complained that /dev/hd[ab]'s DMAs were disabled, and the IDE bus was reset. While this isn't a problem unto itself, it has me slightly concerned, and I'm slightly suspicious that this is somehow linked to recent system crashes I've been having. smartctl -H says that both of these have passed a cursory scan. Is there something else I should look for? |
| 16:53.25 | carlosspain | where are you from antgeL? |
| 16:53.26 | calljair | marstewel, should I run the command updatedb every ??? |
| 16:53.43 | ke6isf | calljair: Once per day. |
| 16:54.06 | calljair | ke6isf, ohh ok wow thank you |
| 16:54.26 | Mjelva | valdyn - "ndiswrapper version 1.1 loaded (preempt=no,smp=no)", "ndiswrapper (wrapper_init:1534): loadndiswrapper failed (1536); check system log for messages from 'loadndisdriver'", "FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.12-1-386/misc/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted" |
| 16:54.31 | antgel | calljair: depends how often you use locate |
| 16:54.47 | Wyzard | Khiraly: udev replaces devfs... sysfs is a separate thing, added in 2.6 kernels, but udev depends on sysfs |
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| 16:55.18 | Khiraly | Wyzard: where can I find this option in the make menuconfig? (for further reading about it) |
| 16:55.30 | valdyn | Mjelva: how did you compile ndiswrapper? |
| 16:55.50 | gravity | Oh boy, ndiswrapper. Everyone's favorite kludge. |
| 16:55.53 | gravity | Including mine |
| 16:56.02 | carlosspain | somebody speak spanish to explain me how register my username??????????????????????????????????? |
| 16:56.09 | ke6isf | !es |
| 16:56.09 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:56.11 | antgel | !tell carlosspain about es |
| 16:56.37 | Mjelva | valdyn - "cd /usr/src/modules/ndiswrapper", "make", "make install". |
| 16:56.49 | Wyzard | Khiraly: I haven't seen an option for sysfs specifically... it's related to procfs and I suspect it's controlled by the same option, though I'm not sure of that |
| 16:57.08 | valdyn | Mjelva: ok, thats the wrong way to do this. Did you install the linux-headers package i linked you above? |
| 16:57.09 | Wyzard | Khiraly: udev is a daemon, not a kernel feature, so menuconfig has nothing to do with it |
| 16:57.17 | Mjelva | valdyn - yes. |
| 16:57.36 | Mjelva | i grabbed the exact same package through apt-get |
| 16:57.45 | \dev\newb | http://rafb.net/paste/results/isT0HL20.html - please help me solve this error |
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| 16:58.01 | Khiraly | Wyzard: aham. So normally I was not able to badly configure my kernel. Thanks. |
| 16:58.02 | antgel | Mjelva: please learn to read docs for packages that you install. /usr/share/doc |
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| 16:58.36 | valdyn | Mjelva: remove the ndiswrapper.ko file from /lib/modules/path/watever, run 'apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i ndiswrapper" |
| 16:58.37 | Wyzard | Khiraly: You should avoid enabling devfs in menuconfig, though |
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| 16:59.15 | Daveman | hey Wyzard |
| 16:59.16 | Varanger | hi sTone_heAd |
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| 16:59.26 | addNtoX | hi folks |
| 16:59.28 | sidd | anyone want to help we work out what happened to my mouse? it used to be /dev/psaux but i restarted and it has dissappeared. mdetect finds nothing |
| 16:59.31 | ke6isf | \dev\newb: One, try a different nick - backslashes are annoying in a nick. Two, try --reinstall in the apt-get line. |
| 16:59.31 | Mjelva | valdyn - eh, where exactly is this ndiswrapper.ko file? |
| 16:59.39 | Daveman | rofl |
| 16:59.45 | addNtoX | how can i create a ssl certificate by myself? |
| 16:59.48 | Wyzard | sidd: Did you upgrade to a 2.6 kernel? |
| 16:59.50 | sTone_heAd | Varanger, heh |
| 16:59.51 | sidd | nope |
| 16:59.59 | sidd | no upgrades |
| 17:00.02 | Daveman | sidd: edit your conf? |
| 17:00.05 | antgel | addNtoX: read the openssl documentation |
| 17:00.08 | Daveman | s/edit/check/ |
| 17:00.09 | valdyn | Mjelva: cd /lib/modules/$(uname -r) ; fine . -name ndiswrapper.ko |
| 17:00.14 | valdyn | Mjelva: cd /lib/modules/$(uname -r) ; find . -name ndiswrapper.ko |
| 17:00.17 | sidd | i believe i just restarted. but i may have edited the conf just before. |
| 17:00.29 | hithere | same error, ke6isf |
| 17:00.29 | addNtoX | antgel : do you maybe know a quick-and-easy-to-understand howto? |
| 17:00.29 | sidd | but the thing is. linux can't find the device, not just x11 |
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| 17:00.45 | antgel | addNtoX: yes, the man pages |
| 17:01.14 | livinded | do i need initrd if i'm not loading module sebfore boot |
| 17:01.21 | hithere | heres the error http://rafb.net/paste/results/pZV9EN59.html |
| 17:01.29 | livinded | becuase i'm getting a kernel panic on my new kernel |
| 17:01.33 | valdyn | livinded: didnt you get an answer to this already? |
| 17:01.45 | antgel | livinded: why are you compiling a kernel? |
| 17:01.47 | livinded | ya |
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| 17:01.59 | livinded | becuase i want 2.6 |
| 17:02.06 | sidd | oh, and before the restart i accidentally tried to > something to /dev/psaux.. but i think it is unrelated |
| 17:02.12 | livinded | and i don't want all the crap that debian puts into it |
| 17:02.23 | hithere | http://rafb.net/paste/results/isT0HL20.html - please help me solve this error |
| 17:02.23 | antgel | FUCKING FIREFOX CRASHING COCK |
| 17:02.32 | Wyzard | livinded: You need initrd if your IDE or SCSI support, and support for your root filesystem (ext3, etc.) are compiled as modules rather than statically into the kernel |
| 17:02.46 | livinded | i compiled them into the kernel |
| 17:02.46 | Wyzard | livinded: or if your root filesystem is on software RAID or LVM, or encrypted |
| 17:02.49 | antgel | !tell carlosspain about msg |
| 17:02.55 | antgel | !tell carlosspain about topic |
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| 17:03.06 | labrotte | Hi! I have some trouble with my crystal 4237B soundcard. I sucessfully installed ALSA-drivers for the card, but when I reboot, it says no such device! |
| 17:03.12 | Wyzard | livinded: both the IDE support and the filesystem? |
| 17:03.17 | livinded | well then i shouldn't need it |
| 17:03.23 | livinded | ya |
| 17:03.29 | livinded | http://pastebin.com/419458 |
| 17:03.36 | livinded | thats what i'm getting when i try to boot |
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| 17:03.43 | livinded | and yes i configured grub correctly |
| 17:03.50 | ke6isf | hithere: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 17:04.04 | hithere | recently dist-upgraded to unstable |
| 17:04.14 | valdyn | livinded: your harddisk(s) are sata? |
| 17:04.21 | Mjelva | valdyn - thanks. i'm on teh internets now |
| 17:04.22 | Mjelva | <3 |
| 17:04.22 | Wyzard | livinded: Did you use "root=hdc2" or "root=/dev/hdc2" ? |
| 17:04.30 | labrotte | can somebody help me out? |
| 17:04.33 | valdyn | !win Mjelva |
| 17:04.34 | dpkg | Congratulations, Mjelva! You have won the US presidency! |
| 17:04.36 | livinded | root /dev/hdc2 |
| 17:04.41 | livinded | root=/dev/hdc2 |
| 17:04.49 | livinded | no they aren't sata |
| 17:04.54 | livinded | they are both ide |
| 17:04.55 | Mjelva | now happy fun time is over, and i have to make dinner :( |
| 17:05.00 | Mjelva | byes, linux dudes |
| 17:05.01 | sidd | is there a better way for me to ask for help? seems a bit busy for people to manage in here |
| 17:05.10 | gravity | hithere: You may just want to install the version of udev in testing |
| 17:05.11 | hithere | ke6isf: nothing else you can suggest? |
| 17:05.15 | antgel | hithere: why are you running unstable if you can't fix this? |
| 17:05.23 | ke6isf | hithere: Nope, other than "don't run sid". |
| 17:05.27 | gravity | hithere: udev and hotplug are currently going through some changes, so you may want to wait on them |
| 17:05.30 | livinded | 1 sec lemme boto up into the 2.4 |
| 17:05.37 | gravity | hithere: I have udev held currently to an older version because of this |
| 17:05.48 | hithere | ok thanks |
| 17:06.06 | mortehb_ | small problem with apache2 and php4, whenever i try to open a .php file i get 403 forbidden, works fine with .html though, what do i need to do? |
| 17:06.08 | stew | gravity: unstable and etch both have the same udev now, btw |
| 17:06.13 | gravity | ugh |
| 17:06.18 | antgel | sidd: saying linux can't find the device is not technical. be technical |
| 17:06.22 | gravity | God, maybe I should just upgrade it |
| 17:06.26 | gravity | I just don't trust it yet |
| 17:06.30 | ke6isf | hithere: The assumption is that, if you're running sid, you know enoguh about your system in order to fix problems such as these when they rear their head. |
| 17:06.43 | Wyzard | gravity: FWIW, I'm using the latest udev in unstable and it seems OK |
| 17:06.45 | stew | gravity: mines on hold too. i don't have time to fix my scripts that rely on both |
| 17:06.49 | sidd | antgel: i meant that psaux is no longer in /dev |
| 17:06.52 | Wyzard | gravity: I never ran into that bug though |
| 17:07.00 | gravity | I just don't want to deal with another gnome-volume-manager breakages |
| 17:07.04 | Andy837 | Couldn't configure pre-depend mysql-client (how can i get round this)? |
| 17:07.06 | sidd | antgel: and mdetect does not find any devices |
| 17:07.07 | gravity | s/s$// |
| 17:07.10 | hithere | i've never had problems with unstable |
| 17:07.17 | gravity | hithere: How long have you been running it? |
| 17:07.18 | resiak | sidd: modprobe mousedev should bring it back. |
| 17:07.25 | hithere | and i've used it for more than a year on another computer |
| 17:07.35 | gravity | That's impressive |
| 17:07.36 | hithere | this computer has been running testing |
| 17:07.38 | ke6isf | Andy837: apt-cache show mysql-client, see what the predepends are, install or 'dpkg-reconfigure', and reattempt. |
| 17:07.42 | sidd | ok resiak, ill try that, thank you |
| 17:07.49 | livinded | ok |
| 17:07.55 | antgel | sidd: don't you think it was a little silly to > something to /dev/psaux? are you using udev? |
| 17:07.56 | hithere | recently dist-upgraded to unstable |
| 17:08.20 | antgel | hithere: the fact that you had a smooth year doesn't mean that you shouldn't know the risks |
| 17:08.21 | sidd | antgel: it was an accident, i meant to > to /dev/dsp |
| 17:08.25 | Wyzard | gravity: I have udev 0.071-1 and gnome-volume-manager works fine for mounting CDs and USB drives... I've done both today |
| 17:08.36 | sidd | but i hit the wrong key and then autocomplete or something :P |
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| 17:08.48 | hithere | i know, but i was still hoping to have some help |
| 17:09.02 | gravity | Wyzard: Ok, maybe I'll upgrade today then |
| 17:09.06 | antgel | sidd: the wrong key was return. please learn to look twice before hitting return, especially as root |
| 17:09.07 | livinded | http://pastebin.com/419471 |
| 17:09.08 | ke6isf | !unstable |
| 17:09.08 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use unstable, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid |
| 17:09.15 | livinded | thats my menu.lst |
| 17:09.16 | resiak | !tell hithere about sid faq |
| 17:09.31 | resiak | hithere: you don't get help with Sid. Hope that helps, have a nice day. |
| 17:09.34 | gravity | Dude, stop beating him over the head. I think he gets it. |
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| 17:09.44 | resiak | Sorry. |
| 17:10.15 | gravity | hithere: You can also just try moving/removing the file that it spits the error out about |
| 17:10.18 | sidd | antgel: yeah, i realise this. do you think that could break it though? |
| 17:10.22 | gravity | That seems like an obvious solution |
| 17:10.27 | valdez | anyone who knows of a good project management app? It would be nice with one that supports gantt charts . Seems hard finding a good one |
| 17:10.29 | hithere | tried that |
| 17:10.43 | hithere | wait ill show you what it shows me if i do that |
| 17:10.47 | gravity | valdez: planner |
| 17:10.49 | Wyzard | valdez: apt-cache show planner |
| 17:10.50 | tarzeau | say i have a dpatch and it fails applying a patch, what should i do? it looks all fine for me and the thing only says failed, and the reject file doen't give me a hint either |
| 17:10.52 | gravity | valdez: It's got gantt charts too |
| 17:11.04 | antgel | sidd: not permanently. are you using udev? |
| 17:11.21 | gravity | tarzeau: Try applying the patch manually and seeing where it fails |
| 17:11.35 | gravity | tarzeau: Then fix the patch so it doesn't fail |
| 17:11.37 | valdez | cool thanks |
| 17:11.44 | tarzeau | gravity: i'm not really familiar with dpatch |
| 17:11.56 | gravity | tarzeau: Nor I, but it's similar to other patch systems |
| 17:12.08 | tarzeau | gravity: i don't like patch systems, i was forced to use it |
| 17:12.11 | sidd | antgel: i don't know. it is a 2.6 kernel though. |
| 17:12.18 | sidd | so i assume it is |
| 17:12.30 | Andy837 | i was trying to make vhcs but i got the error about depends over mysql-client |
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| 17:12.39 | gravity | I need a patch system for what I do |
| 17:12.39 | Wyzard | sidd: udev depends on kernel 2.6, but kernel 2.6 doesn't in any way depend on udev |
| 17:12.47 | tarzeau | gravity: which do you use? |
| 17:12.48 | antgel | sidd: next lesson. don't assume anything. ps ax |grep udev |
| 17:12.59 | Andy837 | shall i #flood the output for someone to see what i do next? |
| 17:13.05 | gravity | tarzeau: I'm using quilt with some small bit of layering on top to make it work well with Debian packaging |
| 17:13.23 | gravity | tarzeau: X used to use dbs, so I have a fair amount of experience with that too |
| 17:13.27 | tarzeau | gravity: wow another patch system... never heard quilt |
| 17:13.29 | gravity | tarzeau: dpatch is much like dbs in theory |
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| 17:13.45 | gravity | tarzeau: It's fundamentally different in some ways, but the basics are always the same. |
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| 17:13.50 | sidd | okay. i have to reboot back into linux to check this obviously |
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| 17:14.13 | gravity | tarzeau: If you're not working on very large codebases you don't need quilt |
| 17:14.26 | corp-mule | what do I need to install to get my sound card working? |
| 17:14.28 | antgel | sidd: if you're not, run MAKEDEV |
| 17:14.29 | gravity | Although it'll work on small codebases too |
| 17:14.32 | sidd | does dthe 2.6 kernel in 31r0a use udev? |
| 17:14.46 | gravity | sidd: It can |
| 17:14.47 | antgel | carlosspain: don't /msg |
| 17:14.51 | gravity | sidd: udev is an optional add on |
| 17:14.56 | Wyzard | sidd: udev is a daemon, in a package that you can install |
| 17:14.57 | sidd | ah |
| 17:15.01 | Wyzard | sidd: It's not something that the kernel uses |
| 17:15.01 | antgel | sidd: read what Wyzard wrote |
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| 17:15.16 | sidd | ah, thank you Wyzard |
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| 17:15.37 | corp-mule | what do I need to install to get my sound card working? |
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| 17:15.41 | corp-mule | alsasound? |
| 17:15.51 | antgel | corp-mule: what isn't working? |
| 17:16.01 | corp-mule | the sound card |
| 17:16.22 | antgel | corp-mule: ffs. can you be a little more specific please |
| 17:16.43 | antgel | carlosspain: STOP FUCKING /MSG'ing ME |
| 17:16.47 | corp-mule | I installed xmms and it says ... |
| 17:17.31 | corp-mule | the sound card may not be configured properly etc. |
| 17:17.43 | corp-mule | so, which tool do I use to configure it? |
| 17:18.24 | sidd | corp-mule. my advice would be to look up your particular sound card on google |
| 17:18.25 | gravity | corp-mule: Is your user in the audio group? You can tell by using the groups command |
| 17:18.38 | sidd | "soundcardname linux" |
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| 17:19.10 | sidd | :] |
| 17:19.15 | corp-mule | k |
| 17:19.42 | corp-mule | yeah I'm in it. That's a new command for me. Cool. |
| 17:20.01 | sidd | thanks for your help everyone, im going to try these things. |
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| 17:20.05 | gravity | corp-mule: Ok. Do you have hotplug and/or discover installed? |
| 17:20.07 | Andy837 | so i got a problem with myslq-client, do i install everything that it depends on? |
| 17:20.16 | sanoj | antgel: If you want to install 2.6.14 from sid on a sarge system then recompile yaird - or grab a backport from http://debian.jones.dk/ |
| 17:20.18 | antgel | corp-mule: lsmod |grep snd? |
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| 17:20.59 | corp-mule | hmmm no snd. |
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| 17:21.06 | __doc__ | Stupid question sry. When I apt-get postgresql I'm missing the sources. So I do apt-get build-dep postgresql and apt-get -b source postgresql, ok, but then I want to do a tarball dance for something not in apt, and it tells me postgres headers not found...? |
| 17:21.09 | antgel | sanoj: indeed. when i need it, that's what i'll do. just a shame that the sid package doesn't slot in like they have done for yonks. |
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| 17:21.26 | corp-mule | how can I tell if hotplug or discover are installed? |
| 17:21.30 | corp-mule | gravity, |
| 17:21.34 | gravity | oy |
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| 17:21.38 | corp-mule | hehheh |
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| 17:21.41 | gravity | corp-mule: Open up aptitude and look for them |
| 17:21.43 | jsn | which discover? |
| 17:21.45 | sanoj | antgel: we (Kernel team) want to provide semi-official sarge backports of both kernels and ramdisk tools (yaird and initramfs-tools), but have not yet settled on locations |
| 17:21.49 | corp-mule | ah |
| 17:21.50 | jsn | locate discover? |
| 17:22.00 | sanoj | antgel: yonks? |
| 17:22.05 | antgel | corp-mule: same way you can tell if any package is installed |
| 17:22.08 | gravity | corp-mule: Or apt-cache policy hotplug ; apt-cache policy discover |
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| 17:22.13 | corp-mule | yes they are! :) |
| 17:22.17 | antgel | sanoj: may i suggest www.backports.org? :_ |
| 17:22.23 | antgel | sanoj: yonks = a long time |
| 17:22.31 | gravity | brb |
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| 17:22.56 | corp-mule | please forgive me, I'm new to debian |
| 17:23.11 | corp-mule | I've been a red hat user for a long time. |
| 17:23.12 | jsn | Oh great masters, anyone have a good brain-dead-user URL for doing dump(8)? |
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| 17:23.26 | sanoj | antgel: I don't recall the reasons behind refusing backport.org, volatile.debian.net and the other alternatives, but there are reasons... |
| 17:23.36 | antgel | corp-mule: /msg dpkg reference |
| 17:24.04 | antgel | sanoj: i'm not privy to the discussions, but can they be summed up in one word - politics? ;) |
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| 17:24.42 | jsn | #dump -0uj -f /outputfile ? |
| 17:25.15 | jsn | How about straight to DVD? |
| 17:25.29 | jsn | dump -0uj -f - | ??? |
| 17:25.31 | sanoj | antgel: eh, yes. And politics - as in policies - are, when it comes to free software development - due to lazyness :-) |
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| 17:26.23 | jsn | (alternate) |
| 17:26.36 | antgel | sanoj: oh well. i built the vanilla in the end. i would have backported yaird, but i suspected i'd have to backport more stuff than i'd like. thanks for all your efforts btw |
| 17:26.54 | Daveman | jsn! |
| 17:27.35 | sanoj | antgel: I'd like the concerns about locations for semi-official kernels documented at wiki.debian.org, but did not save a log of the discussion on #debian-kernel when it happened |
| 17:27.41 | __doc__ | when I want the includes for a package (like postgresql) beeing installed, what command do I have to invoke (apt) |
| 17:28.12 | corp-mule | Found VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (sound) |
| 17:28.15 | jsn | __doc__: apt-get --no-act install postgresql will include some recommends. then you can choose to install them, too |
| 17:29.13 | sanoj | antgel: I believe you won't need other stuff. I have had no problems backporting it (if you find problems - also with back- or sideporting it - then tell me: I am maintainer of yaird :-) ) |
| 17:29.15 | Khiraly | I dont have udev daemon running, should I use it? Which are his advantages? (any documentation hint?) |
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| 17:29.51 | antgel | !tell Khiraly about udev |
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| 17:29.53 | tarzeau | gravity: you think it's possible by looking at a .rej file what's wrong? |
| 17:30.02 | tarzeau | gravity: it's really just two additional lines, ... |
| 17:30.04 | gravity | tarzeau: It tells you what hunks failed |
| 17:30.12 | gravity | tarzeau: So yeah, it's important |
| 17:30.13 | Gandalfar | Can anyone help me with 2gb filesize limit in Apache? |
| 17:30.26 | cddesjar | i can't use a web browser to surf the web because i keep timing out |
| 17:30.38 | cddesjar | but obviously i am connected to the internet right now |
| 17:30.38 | resiak | Gandalfar: #apache? |
| 17:30.52 | cddesjar | anyone have any ideas of what i can do? |
| 17:31.18 | tarzeau | gravity: can you take a look? http://gnu.ethz.ch/gravity/ ? |
| 17:31.21 | tarzeau | Gandalfar: hey :) |
| 17:31.22 | jsn | cddesjar: step one? try a different browser. like lynx |
| 17:31.23 | Gandalfar | resiak: well, I'm hoping there is a debian way, so I don't have to recompile apache |
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| 17:31.37 | cddesjar | i don't know if i have lynx installed |
| 17:31.44 | jsn | cddesjar: any other browser, i meant |
| 17:31.45 | Gandalfar | tarzeau: hey |
| 17:31.50 | cddesjar | i've tried firefox, mozilla, epiphany |
| 17:31.51 | cddesjar | and nada |
| 17:31.53 | Khiraly | thx antgel |
| 17:32.09 | antgel | Khiraly: dpkg knows most stuff |
| 17:32.10 | cahoot | cddesjar: dns trouble? |
| 17:32.21 | cddesjar | dns? |
| 17:32.28 | cddesjar | the internet is slow here for sure |
| 17:32.33 | cddesjar | i have no problems anywhere else |
| 17:32.45 | cddesjar | i.e. i am on a laptop with a wireless card |
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| 17:34.09 | jsn | What I'd like to do is pipe the dump to something to create the (dvd-rw) ISO, using maximum possible compression |
| 17:34.10 | __doc__ | jsn: that was a lovely hint, thx |
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| 17:34.39 | carlosspain | american are stupid! |
| 17:34.41 | jsn | glad i could help. i've sure been helped here often enough |
| 17:34.50 | abrotman | !es |
| 17:34.50 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 17:34.58 | jsn | spaniards are generalizers! |
| 17:35.01 | gravity | tarzeau: Why not just remake the patch? |
| 17:35.06 | cddesjar | ok i am going to d/l lynx and try that |
| 17:35.10 | corp-mule | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.10 | corp-mule | sound 57448 0 [via82cxxx_audio uart401] |
| 17:35.10 | corp-mule | soundcore 3940 4 [via82cxxx_audio sound] |
| 17:35.13 | cahoot | cddesjar: ping google.com works? |
| 17:35.13 | abrotman | !paste |
| 17:35.14 | dpkg | i heard paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 17:35.14 | gravity | I don't know what the problem is, but something that simple isn't worth fixing |
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| 17:35.21 | rzr | This append w/ kernel 2.6.14 |
| 17:35.21 | rzr | Busybox Alert! /dev/hda5 does not exist! Dropping into a shell.... |
| 17:35.23 | jsn | !wag |
| 17:35.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wag is wild ass guess |
| 17:35.28 | rzr | any idea ? |
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| 17:35.40 | cddesjar | cahoot: yup |
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| 17:36.07 | cddesjar | i think i just don't have enough bandwidth for a full browser |
| 17:36.11 | cddesjar | though it works in MS fine |
| 17:36.16 | abrotman | what? |
| 17:36.22 | tarzeau | gravity: i'm not familiar with it. no idea how i remake it |
| 17:36.27 | gravity | tarzeau: I've got a pretty good idea what's wrong |
| 17:36.33 | gravity | tarzeau: Your newlines are weird |
| 17:36.41 | gravity | Let me see if that fixes it |
| 17:37.02 | corp-mule | do I need a plugin in order to play home made mp3s? |
| 17:37.06 | corp-mule | for xmms? |
| 17:37.10 | Daveman | hey abrotman |
| 17:37.13 | abrotman | hi |
| 17:37.30 | Daveman | how's it going? |
| 17:37.34 | jsn | the man dump(8) page isn't clear what options to -j would increase compression, and the default is 2, anyone know? |
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| 17:37.47 | gravity | tarzeau: Yep. It's that your source file has weird ass newlines and your patch doesn't expect them to be there |
| 17:38.17 | gravity | tarzeau: And I recommend reading the manpage for dpatch-edit-patch |
| 17:38.20 | cddesjar | damn it even lynx isn't working |
| 17:38.23 | gravity | tarzeau: For remaking patches in the future |
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| 17:38.46 | resiak | cddesjar: Proxy environment variables set? |
| 17:38.48 | gravity | corp-mule: No |
| 17:38.56 | mortehb_ | i get this error message when trying to run php scripts: (13)Permission denied: exec of '/var/www/test.php' failed Premature end of script headers: test.php, got a fresh install of php4 and apche2, what can be wrong? |
| 17:39.07 | valdyn | corp-mule: you could try xmms-mad |
| 17:39.08 | Andy837 | im a n00b to debian + linux! |
| 17:39.08 | resiak | cddesjar: More interestingly, maybe they are _not_ set and need to be for HTTP stuffs from wherever you are. |
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| 17:39.13 | cddesjar | resiak: that's what i think...but i don't know how to change it |
| 17:39.14 | resiak | !tell Andy837 -about |
| 17:39.16 | resiak | !tell Andy837 about noob |
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| 17:39.33 | cddesjar | resiak: i have no problem with wireless at my home in alberta or at the library |
| 17:39.43 | cddesjar | resiak: so but the internet hear is SLOW |
| 17:40.01 | cddesjar | hear/here |
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| 17:40.10 | resiak | cddesjar: Why not ask the wlan operator whether you need magical proxy settings? |
| 17:40.44 | cddesjar | resiak: i am at someone's home for the week |
| 17:40.51 | resiak | cddesjar: Why not ask them? |
| 17:40.52 | cddesjar | resiak: using their interent |
| 17:41.02 | cddesjar | resiak: they definitely wouldn't know |
| 17:41.07 | resiak | oh |
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| 17:42.02 | cddesjar | they have a WEP but i entered the password using network-admin |
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| 17:42.49 | tarzeau | gravity: ok thanks |
| 17:42.55 | cddesjar | thanks though! |
| 17:42.59 | resiak | Boot into Windows, see if has done automagical proxy configuration, write down what it has done, reboot into joonix and fix things? |
| 17:43.19 | cddesjar | joonix? |
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| 17:43.41 | sidd | lo again |
| 17:43.50 | Wyzard | cddesjar: Unix |
| 17:43.55 | cddesjar | ok |
| 17:44.31 | sidd | modeprobe mousedev works fine. but i have to do it every reboot |
| 17:44.32 | cddesjar | would i enter my proxy settings in network-admin? |
| 17:44.39 | resiak | sidd: Add it to /etc/modules |
| 17:44.47 | sidd | thanks |
| 17:44.49 | Wyzard | sidd: Add it to /etc/modules, or install discover |
| 17:45.10 | resiak | sidd: man 5 modules for info on that file |
| 17:45.24 | sidd | will do |
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| 17:47.46 | jsn | So, does anyone know where I could go to find out which arguments to the -j option of dump(8) yield the highest compression? the default is 2. |
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| 17:48.43 | Wyzard | jsn: values are 0 (no compression) through 9 (max compression) -- see the gzip and bzip2 manpages |
| 17:48.59 | jsn | Thanks, Wyzard |
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| 17:51.30 | colde89 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:52.12 | RichiH | colde89: nope :p |
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| 17:52.19 | colde89 | mit welchem Packet kann ich die Microsoft TrueType-Fonts installieren? |
| 17:52.36 | RichiH | colde89: this is the english channel |
| 17:52.41 | gravity | !de |
| 17:52.41 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 17:52.55 | Daveman | haha |
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| 17:53.32 | sidd | working now, thanks all |
| 17:53.33 | numer | is anyone using kernel 2.4 with a orinoco gold card successfully? |
| 17:53.37 | RichiH | colde89: i think msttfcorefonts is not longer in debian, though |
| 17:53.44 | RichiH | numer: ages ago, yes |
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| 17:54.11 | sidd | but for some reason udev is not starting up at start |
| 17:54.21 | Tidus | i have a small problem. I'm running debian etch and i need raidtools. how might i be able to install it? |
| 17:54.32 | numer | RichiH can you remember if you could get the monitor mode (needed for kismet) running on this card? are you still using this card? |
| 17:54.46 | sidd | says kernel version is too low, below 2.6.12 i think. despite mine being 2.6.8 |
| 17:54.51 | RichiH | !tell Tidus about search |
| 17:55.03 | abrotman | !tell RichiH about cheesesteak |
| 17:55.08 | Wyzard | sidd: The version of udev in unstable doesn't work with kernels earlier than 2.6.12 |
| 17:55.17 | Tidus | RichiH: i know how to use apt-cache but the raidtools package is completely gone |
| 17:55.19 | Wyzard | sidd: but unstable has kernel 2.6.14 anyway... just upgrade |
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| 17:55.33 | antgel | sidd: surely you're not running unstable? |
| 17:55.43 | resiak | sidd: 2.6.8 < 2.6.12 |
| 17:55.48 | RichiH | numer: iwconfig mode ap. if that does not work, you most likely have the hermes chipsep. you need to load new firmware into it |
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| 17:55.57 | RichiH | numer: if you have the prism, it will work out of the box |
| 17:55.59 | Daveman | haha |
| 17:56.09 | numer | RichiH new firmware into the card? |
| 17:56.09 | RichiH | Tidus: snapshot.debian.net |
| 17:56.24 | numer | RichiH how do I find that our? |
| 17:56.31 | RichiH | numer: dmesg |
| 17:56.32 | corp-mule | AH HA! |
| 17:56.34 | corp-mule | got it. |
| 17:56.35 | corp-mule | :) |
| 17:56.43 | RichiH | numer: but if iwconfig mode ap does not work, you have hermes |
| 17:56.43 | sidd | resuak: ah. of course hah |
| 17:56.44 | corp-mule | wrong output module |
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| 17:56.54 | karim | hi |
| 17:57.14 | RichiH | abrotman: looks untasty |
| 17:57.15 | sidd | antgel: yes, i am running unstable. i was running stable distro until i needed to reformat, and i decided i would give unstable a go |
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| 17:57.21 | karim | does the debian 64 bits is built with SSE instructions enabled ? |
| 17:57.24 | abrotman | RichiH: they're quite good |
| 17:57.35 | RichiH | abrotman: they sound like it, yes |
| 17:57.42 | RichiH | abrotman: but they look like crap |
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| 17:57.44 | numer | RichiH iwconfig mode ap says that "Error for wireless request "Set AP Address" (8B14) to few arguments |
| 17:57.49 | antgel | sidd: you are aware of the risks? you don't sound like you are |
| 17:57.53 | abrotman | RichiH: they're big piles of grease! |
| 17:57.58 | RichiH | numer: you need to tell it about your card, of course |
| 17:58.05 | sidd | antgel: risks? i have nothing to lose |
| 17:58.13 | numer | RichiH heheh, sorry of course |
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| 17:58.14 | sidd | nothing but time |
| 17:58.16 | sidd | :) |
| 17:58.18 | antgel | sidd: apart from time and data |
| 17:58.24 | Wyzard | karim: Check the GCC documentation for that... but I would guess that GCC probably enables SSE when compiling for AMD64 because all AMD64 processors support it |
| 17:58.29 | sidd | data is irrelevant, since this is a reformat. |
| 17:58.39 | Tidus | RichiH: when i add that debian source to my sources.list, i get a 404 not found when installing the package. |
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| 17:58.45 | sidd | and time spent fixing silly mistakes is time spent learning |
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| 17:59.03 | encoded | !ping |
| 17:59.03 | dpkg | pong |
| 17:59.07 | RichiH | Tidus: you should use a web brwoser |
| 17:59.15 | Tidus | RichiH: i do have a browser open |
| 17:59.19 | karim | Wyzard, ok so a debian 64 bits is supposed to be as optimised than gentoo 64 bits ? |
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| 17:59.37 | tarzeau | karim: optimized for what? |
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| 17:59.42 | RichiH | Tidus: use it :) |
| 17:59.51 | Tidus | RichiH: the actual archive directory is gone. |
| 17:59.53 | karim | tarzeau, I mean use extra instructions |
| 17:59.58 | numer | RichiH do you mean iwconfig eth1 ap XX:XX:... ? |
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| 18:00.08 | karim | tarzeau, like SSE and stuffs |
| 18:00.22 | tarzeau | karim: ah, you know there's not just x86 64bit ... |
| 18:00.25 | RichiH | numer: iwconfig eth1 mode ap |
| 18:00.31 | RichiH | numer: read the manpage? ;) |
| 18:00.32 | karim | tarzeau, I know that's why I ask |
| 18:00.39 | Wyzard | karim: Well, there's more to Gentoo's "optimization" than using SSE, but it probably makes less of a difference on AMD64 at this point than on x86 |
| 18:00.42 | numer | RichiH but the manual says that there is not mode ap |
| 18:00.55 | numer | RichiH it says invalid argument ap |
| 18:00.59 | karim | Wyzard, you mean i386 |
| 18:01.08 | karim | ? |
| 18:01.11 | Wyzard | karim: That's sort of a secondary thing anyway, though... the main benefit of the Portage approach is USE flags |
| 18:01.23 | jsn | x86 is [3456???]86 |
| 18:01.25 | RichiH | numer: then you have a hermes chipset and need to use different firmware |
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| 18:01.33 | Wyzard | karim: Strictly speaking, I mean IA-32, the series of 32-bit processors that began with the i386 |
| 18:01.34 | RichiH | numer: i forgot the name, though |
| 18:01.42 | numer | RichiH can you point me to literature? |
| 18:01.44 | RichiH | numer: search groups.google.com |
| 18:01.44 | karim | jsn, yes but debian is i386 only |
| 18:01.53 | karim | Wyzard, ok |
| 18:01.53 | jsn | hermes, i think i have that. the word orinoco sounds right |
| 18:01.54 | resiak | karim: Erm, no it's not. |
| 18:01.59 | RichiH | numer: search for orinoco access point, i guess |
| 18:02.15 | karim | resiak, huh ? |
| 18:02.33 | Wyzard | resiak: He's thinking in relation to Gentoo, where you can compile your whole OS with "-O3 -march=athlon-xp" or similar |
| 18:02.36 | karim | resiak, there is binaires for something else than i386 for x86 |
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| 18:02.38 | karim | resiak, there is binaires for something else than i386 for x86 ? |
| 18:02.38 | numer | I use wavelan2_cs as the kernel module, is that right? the card is from agere |
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| 18:03.03 | Tidus | RichiH: and when i try to install raidtools2, i get a 403 forbidden when accessing the archive directory |
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| 18:03.19 | karim | Wyzard, apt-build is supposed to be able to do that but I have troubles using it |
| 18:03.31 | vimman | what is the program that gets the live satellite picture to desktop ? |
| 18:03.31 | resiak | karim: Yes, for those packages for which it makes _any_ difference (namely, libc and the kernel) |
| 18:03.40 | Wyzard | karim: From what I've read, it doesn't really make much difference for most packages anyway |
| 18:03.53 | Wyzard | karim: It makes a difference for the kernel, and Debian provides processor-optimized kernels |
| 18:04.03 | Wyzard | karim: and it makes a difference for libc, so Debian provides libc6-686 |
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| 18:04.45 | Wyzard | karim: I haven't bothered with apt-build or anything like that |
| 18:04.45 | RichiH | Tidus: bleh |
| 18:04.48 | RichiH | Tidus: write email |
| 18:04.49 | Mask | Is there an easy way to find out why my PC crashed (after rebooting)? |
| 18:04.50 | MrXerox | First time installing an ATI card on a debian x-windows system. what driver should I use? |
| 18:04.52 | vimman | what is the program that gets the live satellite picture to desktop ? |
| 18:05.02 | gravity | MrXerox: ati |
| 18:05.03 | MrXerox | Radeon 7000 |
| 18:05.04 | resiak | !tell vimman -about repeat |
| 18:05.09 | joycea_ | does anyone know if it's possible to pass additional PCI IDs to the AHCI driver without recompiling the kernel with the IDs included? |
| 18:05.10 | gravity | MrXerox: Or if that doesn't work, vesa |
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| 18:05.23 | jair_11 | I am trying to find info about the back up configuration automated of rsync, cron an ssh |
| 18:05.26 | karim | resiak, ok I didn't knew that for libc6 |
| 18:05.28 | joycea_ | i.e. options to modprobe that I could utilize. |
| 18:05.32 | resiak | karim: Now you do! |
| 18:05.34 | MrXerox | ati is for 8500 up cards I think |
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| 18:05.54 | Zissou | I was running FreeBSD on my laptop, but it lacked support for my i810 video controller, does Linux have support? |
| 18:06.01 | Wyzard | karim: Oops, sorry, the package is called "libc6-i686", not "libc6-686" |
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| 18:06.29 | valdyn | jair_11: you could just use dirvish and read its documentation or any other tool that integrates these tools |
| 18:06.31 | Wyzard | Zissou: It's an X thing, not a Linux thing, and I'm surprised if it didn't work on FreeBSD (unless you had an old version of XFree86 or something) |
| 18:06.38 | Wyzard | Zissou: but I've used Debian on an i810 |
| 18:07.09 | Zissou | Wyzard - was runing the latest X.org. |
| 18:07.18 | Tidus | RichiH: nevermind... ugly hacks are good for forcing packages to download and install. |
| 18:07.25 | Wyzard | Zissou: then I can't think of any reason why it wouldn't work on FreeBSD |
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| 18:07.36 | Zissou | Wyzard - but doesn't support for agpgart, and such things effect the drivers? |
| 18:07.52 | Zissou | Wyzard - It worked. It lacked 3d support though. |
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| 18:08.04 | Zissou | Wyzard - and 1400x1050 was a harsh reality. |
| 18:08.09 | Wyzard | Zissou: Ah, that's different... I could understand that, with lack of agpgart |
| 18:08.30 | gravity | MrXerox: No, ati is a generic driver for all ati cards supported in xorg |
| 18:08.35 | Zissou | So, in this position, I am asking if anyone has working 3D supported with i810.ko? |
| 18:08.53 | valdyn | Zissou: i810 needs agpgart support ( for direct rendering / xvideo etc ) |
| 18:08.54 | gravity | MrXerox: You could also use the radeon driver, but the ati driver will load that for you |
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| 18:09.26 | Zissou | I'm downloading the latest realease, coming from FreeBSD I have heard good things about Debian. |
| 18:09.49 | MrXerox | gravity, the ati driver will install the proper drivers for this radeon 7000? it says on the website that it is for 8500 and up cards...? |
| 18:09.50 | Wyzard | Zissou: You could try something like the Ubuntu liveCD and see if it works there... I'd imagine they'd probably have all the drivers on that |
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| 18:10.07 | Khiraly | I have readed udev documentation. I know for what it was created. What I dont understand, how is it working my system without udev daemon running. |
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| 18:10.13 | valdyn | MrXerox: fglrx doesnt support your chip |
| 18:10.18 | Zissou | Wyzard - Mark Shuttleworth is not my friend. I ignore his efforts. |
| 18:10.19 | gravity | MrXerox: Where are you reading this? |
| 18:10.35 | Zissou | But.. I must say that I have tried this "live CD," and unfortunatly didn't have support. |
| 18:10.51 | Zissou | How does Debain scale in terms of ports? Does it have such an offering? |
| 18:11.00 | MrXerox | https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=300 |
| 18:11.05 | gravity | ugh |
| 18:11.06 | Wyzard | Zissou: Well, I've used an i810 in Debian, but didn't try 3D |
| 18:11.08 | gravity | MrXerox: Wrong site |
| 18:11.11 | valdyn | MrXerox: gravity is talking about the driver called "ati", not the driver from ati |
| 18:11.11 | gravity | MrXerox: Ignore that |
| 18:11.28 | MrXerox | sorry guys, first time for an ATI card for me... |
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| 18:11.44 | corp-mule | I used to use cdrecord to burn cds on linux. You guys know of other linux cd burning apps that might be better? |
| 18:11.50 | Wyzard | Zissou: The current release of Debian has over 15000 packages |
| 18:11.51 | gravity | MrXerox: XFree86 and X.Org ship their own drivers for the ATI cards. Debian ships those drivers. |
| 18:12.05 | gravity | MrXerox: ATI also ships their own totally separate drivers. Debian does not ship those. |
| 18:12.13 | Zissou | Wyzard - Do they handle dependancies? |
| 18:12.18 | MrXerox | ahhh ok |
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| 18:12.54 | t0mb0y | tell me if im thinking correctly.. i had a mobo etc fail on my server running debian.. just got a new mobo/cpu/ram etc into the case... if i put in the net-install cd, hit alt-f2 for shell, mount all the partitions under /mnt then chroot /mnt then compile a new kernel to match the new hardware.. then reboot.. i should be fine right ? |
| 18:12.58 | ciroro | is there a reason not to run smartmontools? |
| 18:12.59 | MrXerox | I just gonna try this stock driver that xwin/kde install and see what happens |
| 18:13.01 | Wyzard | Zissou: Quite well -- packages can have dependencies, recommends, suggests, and conflicts, with optional versions (i.e. package foo depends on at least version 2.3 of package bar, and conflicts with versions of baz older than 1.2, etc.) |
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| 18:13.07 | MrXerox | trying to set up vdr on this box |
| 18:13.20 | gravity | heh, does debian handle dependencies |
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| 18:13.39 | MrXerox | ya |
| 18:13.50 | gravity | MrXerox: I think if you installed sarge you need to use the vesa driver |
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| 18:14.06 | antgel | !tell Zissou about grounding |
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| 18:14.22 | gravity | MrXerox: But it's worth trying the ati or radeon driver just to be sure |
| 18:14.23 | MrXerox | ok, so "vesa" in the Drivers section right? |
| 18:14.30 | gravity | Yes |
| 18:14.30 | Wyzard | Zissou: Debian's robust package system is one of its strongest features (compared to RPM, the other popular package system, and also to BSD ports from what I know of them) |
| 18:14.33 | MrXerox | ok |
| 18:14.38 | Zissou | I come from FreeBSD... We have ports. I will kill myself if I have to use rpm's or something like this... |
| 18:15.00 | gravity | Zissou: .debs are similar to rpm's. If you really want to build everything from source, gentoo may be a better choice. |
| 18:15.05 | Wyzard | Zissou: What aspect of RPM do you dislike? |
| 18:15.29 | dshot | heh, RPM was terrible |
| 18:15.36 | antgel | Zissou: i know i'm jumping in, but why do you want to build all from source? |
| 18:15.41 | abrotman | is terrible |
| 18:15.44 | Wyzard | Zissou: Debian's package system is more like RPM than like ports in terms of the fundamental paradigm it uses for installing software, but it has fewer shortcomings |
| 18:16.00 | Zissou | This might be where my experience lies, I used linux maybe 6 years ago, and found rpm to be very bad, compared to ports. |
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| 18:16.16 | Zissou | But, let me try. |
| 18:16.21 | gravity | RPM and .deb are functionally very similar. The difference is in the amount of labor put in to the packages. |
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| 18:16.42 | gravity | Debian developers follow coherent sets of rules and generally put in a lot more work. That's what makes the whole thing better. |
| 18:16.47 | antgel | gravity: apart from X, which sucks :P |
| 18:16.49 | gravity | RPM vs Deb though isn't much of an argument |
| 18:16.55 | Wyzard | Zissou: RPM used to have a problem referred to as "dependency hell", where you'd get an RPM file from some site and try to install it, and it'd fail because of some unmet dependency, and then you'd have to go hunt down that RPM, and so on |
| 18:17.12 | Wyzard | Zissou: Debian uses a well-managed central archive so that problem doesn't occur here |
| 18:17.29 | Zissou | RPM hell sounds fitting. Wyzard, sounds good. |
| 18:17.39 | Wyzard | Zissou: (FWIW, current RPM-based systems have mostly resolved that too) |
| 18:18.03 | dshot | Though, like anything else you'll find yourself grabbing certain things from 'source' if it isn't a package that is maintained frequently |
| 18:18.09 | gravity | antgel: If you want to help make it not suck, I'd appreciate any patches you want to send |
| 18:18.16 | dshot | if you need a new version for a feature, etc |
| 18:18.32 | t0mb0y | anyone know answer to my question ? |
| 18:18.47 | antgel | gravity: did you not spot the smiley? |
| 18:18.56 | resiak | t0mb0y: Why do you need to compile a new kernel? |
| 18:19.04 | gravity | antgel: I did, just letting you know :-) |
| 18:19.09 | Zissou | dshot - which is more than affordable in Linux, since most of the source doesn't have to be altered, although in FreeBSD it is not the case. |
| 18:19.27 | Zissou | How do you update this package tree? It is cvsup'able? |
| 18:19.27 | gravity | I don't think people in the community are encouraged enough to really get involved in big things like X any more |
| 18:19.30 | gravity | I'm not sure why though |
| 18:19.44 | t0mb0y | resiak: i had a fire in my pc.. and the video card, mobo, cpu all get scorched.. so got new hardware in now.. which obviously needs a new kernel.. just dont want to re-install all of debian. |
| 18:19.45 | dshot | Well, I'll tell you right now that I abandoned OpenBSD/FreeBSD awhile back to some degree.. NetBSD as well because of a severe lacking of binary updates |
| 18:19.51 | dshot | I don't feel like rebuilding the world when trouble strikes |
| 18:19.52 | resiak | t0mb0y: Why does it need a new kernel? |
| 18:19.53 | dshot | sometimes |
| 18:19.54 | Zissou | X is a big problem. I've read a paper describing it's new structure as a huge problem. With everything splitting... |
| 18:20.03 | antgel | gravity: i'm not going to lie to you. 1. my attention is focused on the Reference. 2. the chances of me ever looking at X source, let alone submitting a patch, are akin to the chances of the sky turning green |
| 18:20.08 | gravity | Zissou: You don't think this is a good thing? |
| 18:20.09 | Wyzard | Zissou: Well, compiling packages "from source" in the sense of downloading a tarball and doing "configure; make; make install" is discouraged because that bypasses the package system's dependency tracking |
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| 18:21.03 | Zissou | gravity - I've taken my opinion from this paper, which described all these "splits" as a problem because some development might be lacking and others far ahead whilst they all depend on each other in some instances. |
| 18:21.04 | antgel | gravity: i guess with big packages, people feel that the learning curve is too steep |
| 18:21.18 | klark | i get this error imaplogin: Error reading ACLs for INBOX.Sent: Permission denied and i can't find anything on google... not much help in other channels either... anyone has any clues about this ? |
| 18:21.28 | gravity | Zissou: Where's this paper and who's the crackhead who wrote it? |
| 18:21.33 | t0mb0y | resiak: my main question is.. having a fully different mobo/cpu.. can just a new kernel built for that hardware be sufficient enough to get system back up and working? or does a new full install have to be done, and if so.. why ? |
| 18:21.36 | Zissou | klark - are you using CourierImap. |
| 18:21.47 | Wyzard | t0mb0y: No, you don't need to reinstall |
| 18:21.48 | resiak | t0mb0y: Why do you even need a new kernel? |
| 18:21.51 | Zissou | gravity - I read it on slashdot, I'll try to find a URL. |
| 18:21.53 | klark | Zissou: yes |
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| 18:21.59 | gravity | hahahaha |
| 18:21.59 | dshot | Sometimes what I'll do is actually install the Debian package, since a lot of times it has a nice 'layout', but I'll overlay the version I need... probably not the absolutely correct way to do it.. but it hasn't killed me yet. |
| 18:22.09 | gravity | Zissou: I'll save you the trouble... one second |
| 18:22.11 | dshot | then I'll mark the package not to upgrade |
| 18:22.19 | Wyzard | t0mb0y: You probably don't need a new kernel either, unless you were using a custom one previously, or you've switched from AMD to Intel or vice-versa |
| 18:22.21 | resiak | t0mb0y: Unless your old kernel doesn't support your new hardware (which is fairly unlikely). |
| 18:22.26 | gravity | Zissou: http://dri.freedesktop.org/~jonsmirl/graphics.html |
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| 18:22.29 | gravity | Zissou: That one? |
| 18:22.46 | antgel | Zissou: slashdot is full of people whose opinions outweigh their clue |
| 18:23.00 | Zissou | gravity - Yes! That was quick. |
| 18:23.09 | gravity | Zissou: That one is very much in favor of modularization |
| 18:23.17 | gravity | Zissou: If you actually read it |
| 18:23.29 | gravity | Modularization will be critical for the future of X.Org |
| 18:23.34 | t0mb0y | wyzard: i went from a dual p3 800 to a amd 1700xp |
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| 18:23.44 | abrotman | modules are evil! .. use big bloated monolithic programs! |
| 18:23.49 | resiak | t0mb0y: you're probably okay. Try booting with the existing kernel |
| 18:23.54 | antgel | abrotman: blackbox! |
| 18:24.00 | Wyzard | t0mb0y: Were you using a custom kernel, or a stock kernel-image package? |
| 18:24.01 | abrotman | antgel: E17 ? |
| 18:24.08 | gravity | Zissou: Or do you like building all of X just to get a one line driver fix? |
| 18:24.12 | t0mb0y | wyzard: custom kernel. |
| 18:24.26 | gravity | Zissou: Or in Debian's case, do you like downloading 100's of megs of X updates just to get a one-line driver fix? |
| 18:24.32 | abrotman | resiak: feed the poor kid something |
| 18:24.35 | abrotman | resiak: wait .. was it timgoh ? |
| 18:24.40 | Zissou | gravity - " As a whole, the X.org community barely has enough resources to build a single server. Splitting these resources over many paths only results in piles of half finished projects. I know developers prefer working on whatever interests them, but given the resources available to X.org, this approach will not yield a new server or even a fully-competitive desktop based on the old server in the near term." |
| 18:24.43 | resiak | abrotman: Yeah... we sacrificed him. |
| 18:24.47 | ke6isf | argh! |
| 18:24.48 | Wyzard | t0mb0y: OK, so you'd actually omitted modules in the old kernel which you need now due to having different hardware... makes sense |
| 18:24.51 | t0mb0y | wyzard: ill just make a new kernel.. and use that.. just trying to get out of re-installing and seems like i dont need to |
| 18:24.56 | gravity | Zissou: That has NOTHING to do with modularization. Read the article. |
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| 18:25.14 | gravity | Zissou: That has everything to do with things like Xgl, Xegl, etc. |
| 18:25.18 | Wyzard | Zissou: I've seen that quote before, but I thought it was in the context of Xgl |
| 18:25.24 | gravity | Wyzard: You're right |
| 18:25.27 | gravity | And Smirl is an ass |
| 18:25.47 | hidari | What happened to opensshd or any other sshd? I just finished installing Debian Sarge and I can't find a ssh server with apt? |
| 18:25.52 | Zissou | But aren't these components essential to further the state of Xorg? |
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| 18:26.01 | gravity | Zissou: Read the article. Read it. |
| 18:26.12 | Wyzard | Zissou: Modularizing xorg isn't making the project larger; those comments don't apply |
| 18:26.14 | gravity | Zissou: Or do you want me to just lecture you? I can do that too. |
| 18:26.26 | gravity | I'm in the mood to rant if you want it |
| 18:26.27 | klark | Zissou: any ideea about that imap problem ? |
| 18:26.28 | dshot | openssh-server ? |
| 18:26.29 | joycea_ | does debian installation require devfs? |
| 18:26.32 | antgel | joycea_: no |
| 18:26.36 | dshot | openssh-client ? |
| 18:26.41 | elSinuX | heloo, I would like to install amarok on my debian ppc, but i dont know any apt sources. Thks |
| 18:26.42 | antgel | joycea_: maybe |
| 18:26.42 | abrotman | gravity: go go go! |
| 18:26.46 | hidari | dshot: openssh-server |
| 18:26.47 | joycea_ | why would I be getting an error looking for rd/0 then? |
| 18:26.52 | hidari | dshot: i can't find it |
| 18:27.01 | antgel | elSinuX: it's in your normal debian repository |
| 18:27.04 | hidari | dshot I do 'aptitude search openssh' and get nothing |
| 18:27.11 | fbi | hidari: the ssh server comes with the ssh package |
| 18:27.14 | fbi | !info ssh sarge |
| 18:27.16 | antgel | joycea_: what are you doing? |
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| 18:27.25 | Zissou | gravity - I would prefer for you not to get so defensive. I must have misunderstood this article, in which case I am thankful for you correcting me. |
| 18:27.26 | dpkg | ssh: (Secure rlogin/rsh/rcp replacement (OpenSSH)), section net, is standard. Version: 1:3.8.1p1-8.sarge.4 (sarge), Packaged size: 671 kB, Installed size: 1644 kB |
| 18:27.32 | joycea_ | I'm trying to use a custom kernel for installation and I get the following error: VFS: Cannot open root device "rd/0" or unknown-block(0,0) |
| 18:27.35 | abrotman | in sarge .. ssh is still one package for client/server |
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| 18:27.41 | hidari | fbi: oh |
| 18:27.46 | abrotman | joycea_: you made a mistake |
| 18:27.48 | gravity | Zissou: Well, seeing as I'm spearheading the push to get modular packages of Xorg in to Debian, I have a right to be a little defensive |
| 18:27.48 | Wyzard | joycea: Debian's initrds use devfs so you need it in the kernel, but you don't have to use it on the running system |
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| 18:27.50 | hidari | fbi: thx |
| 18:27.53 | gravity | Zissou: I'm putting in a lot of hours in to that |
| 18:27.55 | fbi | hidari: dpkg-reconfigure ssh |
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| 18:28.05 | gravity | Zissou: So yeah, I have a bit of a personal investment in the thing |
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| 18:28.10 | Zissou | gravity - then I have offended you, in my defense I apologise. |
| 18:28.17 | Wyzard | gravity: 7.0 is the modular release, right? |
| 18:28.22 | gravity | Zissou: Thank you |
| 18:28.23 | gravity | Wyzard: Yes |
| 18:28.27 | hidari | sweet.... thx for the help |
| 18:28.32 | hidari | i thought that was just the client |
| 18:28.32 | antgel | Zissou: have you installed debian yet? |
| 18:28.37 | joycea_ | Wyzard: I need to use a 2.6.14 kernel though (new mobo southbridge) and I can't enable devfs in this kernel as far as I can see. |
| 18:28.45 | Wyzard | gravity: I've been running experimental 6.9 on my laptop for a few weeks and it seems to be working nicely |
| 18:28.53 | gravity | Wyzard: Awesome. I'm glad to hear it |
| 18:28.58 | Wyzard | joycea: Are you running testing or unstable? |
| 18:29.02 | Xybernaut | hi, my internet connection dial-up i'm to want whole ip wish forward 192.168.0.162 how i forward ? |
| 18:29.02 | Zissou | antgel - My torrent is almost completed, then I'll throw it on mein laptop. |
| 18:29.19 | gravity | Zissou: The fragmentation issue is related to the next generation of rendering that X will have. It'll have to be hardware accelerated, but no one is 100% sure how that'll happen |
| 18:29.23 | joycea_ | Wyzard: not running anything yet, trying to install amd64-testing |
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| 18:29.40 | gravity | Zissou: The author of the article has one version of this, which is his pet project. He thinks everyone should be working on that now. |
| 18:29.45 | Zissou | gravity - This is the future, Yes. |
| 18:30.03 | Wyzard | joycea: devfs was removed from the kernel in 2.6.13, and Debian's initrd-generation system was reworked accordingly, but the new stuff is currently only in unstable afaik |
| 18:30.10 | gravity | Zissou: The rest of the X developers are working on patching up the old model so they have something functional to work with while they work on the next gen model. This is called EXA. |
| 18:30.21 | gravity | Zissou: The author fo the article doesn't like this idea, and sees it as fragmentation. |
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| 18:30.47 | mmiikkee12 | anyone know why apt-get doesn't ask me to continue sometimes? |
| 18:30.48 | joycea_ | Wyzard: is there a tool I can use to automatically compile a kernel and produce an initrd? I am new to this and currently compiling the kernel by hand. |
| 18:30.56 | gravity | Zissou: That has nothing to do with modularization, which is splitting the components of X up so you can build them independantly rather than all at once. If you've ever built X you know you have to build the whole damn thing. |
| 18:30.58 | Zissou | gravity, so he is the black sheep of the community? In actual fact trying to "split?" |
| 18:31.04 | Wyzard | joycea: apt-get install kernel-package |
| 18:31.09 | antgel | gravity: it amazed me that x is still under such active development. i would have thought it's just a case of new drivers as and when |
| 18:31.15 | gravity | Zissou: Modularization is a good thing because it lets us develop X far faster and ship smaller updates at a faster rate to the users |
| 18:31.25 | Wyzard | joycea: That tool is a frontend for the kernel-build process, which produces a .deb of the finished product |
| 18:31.32 | antgel | !tell joycea_ about reference |
| 18:31.38 | gravity | Zissou: Not really, he's just got one paradigm for the futre. I think a lot of people like the idea, they just don't want to do it right this second |
| 18:31.46 | Zissou | gravity, this is pleasing, downloading 5x 30-40MB source is a pain. |
| 18:31.48 | mmiikkee12 | ignore my other problem, here's a bigger one |
| 18:31.49 | Wyzard | joycea: If you say "--initrd" when building, the .deb's postinst will generate an initrd when you install it |
| 18:31.59 | mmiikkee12 | i seem to be missing the locales package |
| 18:32.05 | gravity | antgel: Development stalled under XFree86. Now with X.Org people are wanting to push the envelope. There's tons of things X needs. |
| 18:32.06 | elSinuX | does any body know an apt sources for debian PPC to install amarok?? thks |
| 18:32.07 | Andy837 | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)..... (i get this error while trying to install some packages) postfix etc |
| 18:32.26 | gravity | antgel: Think of how hard it is to configure X. That doesn't have to be that way. Think of how slow some of the rendering is. That has to be fixed. etc |
| 18:32.45 | fbi | elSinuX: #debianppc |
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| 18:32.47 | gravity | antgel: People tend to see X as being done. It's got a lot that it needs though |
| 18:32.48 | Wyzard | joycea: The old kernel-package's initrd generation always uses mkinitrd, which doesn't work with 2.6.13 and newer... the newer version will use yaird or mkinitramfs, which don't depend on devfs at all |
| 18:32.48 | antgel | gravity: i guess i don't see either problem |
| 18:32.49 | joycea_ | Wyzard: great! thanks. I thought this was only for building kernels for running systems. |
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| 18:32.55 | mmiikkee12 | trying to install it makes apt-get complain about a missing glibc |
| 18:33.11 | Zissou | gravity - why is X so complicated to find the vertical/ horizontal sync in a monitor? |
| 18:33.17 | mmiikkee12 | and trying to install that says it's already the newest version |
| 18:33.22 | gravity | Zissou: Multiple reasons, many of which I don't understand |
| 18:33.37 | Wyzard | Zissou: Not all monitors actually make the information available at all |
| 18:33.41 | gravity | Zissou: I really haven't done my reading on such things, so I only know what little I pick up |
| 18:33.53 | gravity | What Wyzard just said is the main reason |
| 18:33.56 | budone | hi all I just installed debian how do I get to the gui from the command prompt? |
| 18:34.08 | Khiraly | joycea_ Wyzard: I need to use a 2.6.14 kernel though (new mobo southbridge) and I can't enable devfs in this kernel as far as I can see. <-- as far as I know, the devfs was removed from 2.6.14 from the linux kernel, so you cant fin in the menuconfig |
| 18:34.11 | gravity | If the monitors were smart enough to tell X, X could just set it up. Unfortunately, that's not the case |
| 18:34.13 | Wyzard | Zissou: I've seen a monitor that actually had a typo in the ranges it reported -- said its upper vsync was 15Hz rather than 150 |
| 18:34.15 | gravity | budone: startx |
| 18:34.22 | budone | thanx |
| 18:34.26 | Zissou | *shakes head* |
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| 18:34.43 | joycea_ | Wyzard: so if I use the kernel-package on a current testing branch it will build an acceptable kernel? |
| 18:34.44 | resiak | !faq budone |
| 18:34.47 | dpkg | budone: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 18:36.06 | cddesjar | so...i can surf the web using the 2.4.x kernel but not the 2.6.14 kernel |
| 18:36.07 | Wyzard | joycea: I know the kernel-package in unstable has been updated to use the newer ramdisk-generation tools, but I'm not sure whether that change has propagated to testing yet |
| 18:36.14 | cddesjar | i.e. 2.4.x doesn't timeout |
| 18:36.14 | psychonate | Can someone recommend a good audio player app that has support for mp3, vorbis, flac, mpc, and other formats? I'm currently using XMMS, but I wanted to give something else a try. |
| 18:36.30 | Wyzard | psychonate: I use Quod Libet |
| 18:36.48 | cddesjar | when i try to load 2.6.14 it keeps failing and telling me that it can't hdc2 and it throws me to a script (/#) |
| 18:36.49 | psychonate | I've never heard of it, but I'll confer with google heh |
| 18:36.53 | Zissou | psychonate - beep-media-player is much the same as XMMS, but uses GTK2. |
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| 18:36.58 | Wyzard | psychonate: http://www.sacredchao.net/quodlibet |
| 18:37.02 | PandaKun | hey guys |
| 18:37.07 | PandaKun | i was wondering how do i make ftp users for proftpd? |
| 18:37.12 | PandaKun | 'adduser' doesn't work. |
| 18:37.28 | PandaKun | i mean it adds a user but it doesn't exist when i try to login with it. |
| 18:37.30 | antgel | PandaKun: have you configured proftpd? |
| 18:37.46 | PandaKun | not sure. |
| 18:37.46 | Zissou | PandaKun - proftpd has a seperate config file. |
| 18:37.51 | PandaKun | what is it called? |
| 18:37.55 | Zissou | man proftpd. |
| 18:38.02 | Zissou | proftpd.conf? |
| 18:38.04 | antgel | PandaKun: have you read the documentation for proftpd? |
| 18:38.07 | PandaKun | not yet |
| 18:38.09 | antgel | PandaKun: man proftpd.conf |
| 18:38.10 | PandaKun | i configured proftpd.conf |
| 18:38.18 | Andy837 | when i do a apt-get -f -install i get this... |
| 18:38.20 | Andy837 | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 18:38.20 | Andy837 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.20 | Andy837 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.20 | Andy837 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.20 | Andy837 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.20 | antgel | PandaKun: have you restarted it? |
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| 18:38.26 | PandaKun | restarted it? |
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| 18:38.30 | PandaKun | not yet |
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| 18:38.41 | antgel | PandaKun: you need to restart to pick up config changes |
| 18:39.04 | PandaKun | but i didnt require to do any changes. |
| 18:39.05 | cddesjar | when i load the 2.6.14 kernel it fails partly and tells me that it cannot find /hdc2 and then it throws me into a prompt /# |
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| 18:39.10 | psychonate | Zissou, yeah, I don't think all of the plugins are available for bmp that I need though. |
| 18:39.11 | cddesjar | any ideas why? |
| 18:39.11 | ke6isf | I'm presuming that it is possible for a disk to overheat. Is this a correct presumption? |
| 18:39.13 | Andy837 | check #flood for my error |
| 18:39.17 | PandaKun | proftpd is started from inetd |
| 18:39.23 | livinded | what would cause this http://pastebin.com/419458 |
| 18:39.26 | mmiikkee12 | ke6isf: happens to me all the time... |
| 18:39.35 | franz | Hi all I'm trying to set up ldap and I've got a little question, Is it possible to update the local /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow when authenticating on a ldap server to add the user to the local system in case the ldap server is down? |
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| 18:39.48 | mmiikkee12 | my computer just locks up and i hafe to shut it off and grab a fan |
| 18:39.54 | mmiikkee12 | *have |
| 18:39.55 | ke6isf | mmiikkee12: Are such failures catastrophic in your case, or do you just let it cool off before reloading? |
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| 18:40.01 | mmiikkee12 | just let it cool |
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| 18:40.10 | ke6isf | mmiikkee12: Ah, OK. So no biggie for now. |
| 18:40.10 | afinley | Hi Im using gnome wm, and every time I log out the audio volume is reset to off, does anybody know how to fix this so it remembers my settings |
| 18:40.25 | PandaKun | ERROR:> Control connection closed. |
| 18:40.26 | PandaKun | odd. |
| 18:40.28 | cddesjar | click "save settings" butoon on log out |
| 18:40.34 | PandaKun | i turned off my firewall. |
| 18:40.35 | mmiikkee12 | except yesterday, my windows drive went kaplooey (old drive though) |
| 18:40.40 | cddesjar | or at command prompt alsactl store |
| 18:40.43 | PandaKun | not working |
| 18:40.49 | mmiikkee12 | my linux drive overheats regularly :) |
| 18:40.54 | ke6isf | mmiikkee12: Well... as I understand it, average life span for a disk is something like 7 years. |
| 18:41.05 | livinded | what would cause this http://pastebin.com/419458 |
| 18:41.12 | antgel | franz: you want it to update /etc/passwd upon user login? |
| 18:41.12 | afinley | thanks cddesjar, ill give it a try next time |
| 18:41.24 | mmiikkee12 | except when it overheats |
| 18:41.27 | ke6isf | mmiikkee12: Me, I just gotta figure out how to fashion a cooling system for a space that would otherwise be the opening for a 3.5" floppy. =^^= |
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| 18:41.43 | mmiikkee12 | there's not very good cooling in that part of my case |
| 18:41.45 | sophacles | hi all. i have a really odd situation i was hoping someone could help me solve: in gaim, the 'e' key does not work. if i have capslock on and do shift-e it will display a lowercase e. this behavior does not happen in any other program (that i run anyway) any ideas on wtf is going on? |
| 18:41.50 | antgel | livinded: compiling a kernel when you don't need to |
| 18:42.13 | GNUdist | mmiikkee12: I buy, and use, old Seagate Cheetah 10,000 rpm SCSI drives. They have a 7 year warranty! and, SCSI reads/writes 16 heads at a time, great in any IEEE POSIX platform! |
| 18:42.35 | mmiikkee12 | ke6isf: take one side off your case, get 4-6 small screws, and mount a box fan on the side :P |
| 18:42.44 | deadcat | what package do i need to get the specific model of a printer to show up in cups? i have cupsys and cupsys-bsd installed. what about those foomatic stuff? whats that? |
| 18:42.50 | ke6isf | mmiikkee12: Well... since the disk that keeps halting is in a floppy drive bay (this is some old HP pizza box desktop that's my server), it's not going to be quite that easy. |
| 18:42.50 | PandaKun | hmm. |
| 18:42.53 | PandaKun | i can't connect into the ftp. |
| 18:43.07 | mmiikkee12 | ok... |
| 18:43.10 | Zissou | PandaKun - it the ftp running? |
| 18:43.16 | Wyzard | deadcat: foomatic is a database of printers and a filter framework for converting arbitrary input into printable output |
| 18:43.17 | PandaKun | yeah |
| 18:43.21 | PandaKun | ..proftpd. |
| 18:43.22 | PandaKun | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:43.22 | PandaKun | ..proftpd. |
| 18:43.22 | PandaKun | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:43.25 | nite613 | livinded: Looks like you forgot to build your rootfs driver into the kernel |
| 18:43.26 | antgel | Zissou: he said it's running from inetd (puke) |
| 18:43.26 | abrotman | enveezee: http://www.boston.com/news/odd/articles/2005/11/03/man_sues_ex_girlfriend_over_glue_attack/ |
| 18:43.27 | PandaKun | sorry about that |
| 18:43.30 | mmiikkee12 | how many fan outputs do you have on the motherboard? |
| 18:43.31 | PandaKun | accidently pressed it twice. |
| 18:43.33 | Andy837 | check #flood for my error. its something with postfix i think |
| 18:43.34 | ke6isf | mmiikkee12: The current solution is to make sure the disk blocking the fdd opening is backed up about an inch and hope that the power supply fan is powerful enough to pull air from outside. |
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| 18:43.48 | mmiikkee12 | the little 3-prong plugs |
| 18:43.51 | nite613 | livinded: typically that means you should elect to builts ext2/ext3 support "not as a module". or you could use an initrd |
| 18:43.56 | Wyzard | deadcat: It comes with a tool (foomatic-configure) which can add print queues to CUPS by just specifying which entry in the foomatic database corresponds to your printer |
| 18:44.20 | ke6isf | mmiikkee12: Since it's HP hardware, probably just the one for the CPU. Lemme look. |
| 18:44.22 | Wyzard | deadcat: (along with details like the device node for talking to the printer, of course) |
| 18:44.28 | mmiikkee12 | plug in as many fans as you can and aim them all into that space :) |
| 18:44.36 | nite613 | !!tell livinded about initrd |
| 18:44.41 | nite613 | doh |
| 18:44.52 | deadcat | Wyzard: oh. well i configured this hp laser printer from :631 it has a small list to select. but on a slackware machine at school it has shitloads of hp models |
| 18:45.20 | GNUdist | mmiikkee12: Then get a tiny fan, and stick it somewhere near the back of on the case top over some drilled out holes, and get some airflow going over the controller board of that drive! BTW, my SCSI drives run warm enough to fry eggs, and that is normal, though anytime I install 2 drives, the case gets a Drive fan! |
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| 18:45.43 | mmiikkee12 | that too |
| 18:45.44 | Wyzard | deadcat: That's looking at cups's built-in set of known printer types, not the foomatic ones |
| 18:45.45 | ke6isf | mmiikkee12: No fan plugs. I'm gonna have to macguyver something it seems, or somehow move that disk from the drive bay area. |
| 18:45.50 | CEM`27 | http://suicidegirls.com/img/preview/14.jpg |
| 18:45.52 | mmiikkee12 | my controller is on-board |
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| 18:46.01 | Wyzard | deadcat: Your school has probably bought the commercial package that adds a bunch of printer definitions |
| 18:46.04 | deadcat | Wyzard: ah. |
| 18:46.08 | mmiikkee12 | ok, take 2-3 fans and an equal number of 9-volt batteries. |
| 18:46.09 | Aragorn | hi cranb |
| 18:46.10 | Wyzard | deadcat: For your own use, just use foomatic-configure |
| 18:46.18 | deadcat | Wyzard: just slackware 10.2 |
| 18:46.24 | deadcat | Wyzard: ok |
| 18:46.30 | mmiikkee12 | take the connectors off the fans, and connect each one to a battery |
| 18:46.39 | mmiikkee12 | then aim them wherever needed |
| 18:46.44 | GNUdist | mmiikkrr12: I meant, the controller card ON the drive, is what should be cooled the most. |
| 18:46.46 | franz | antgel, I have a few laptops and I would like users to be able to log in even if they are not on the "home"network... |
| 18:46.56 | mmiikkee12 | (a switch would also be nice ;) ) |
| 18:46.59 | mmiikkee12 | oh |
| 18:47.03 | ke6isf | mmiikkee12: 9-v batteries are finite. I'm better off doing that with wall warts. What kind of amperage comes off of a fan, usually? |
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| 18:47.32 | ke6isf | s/comes off of/is pulled by |
| 18:47.48 | antgel | franz: why not implement a vpn so that the laptops can access the ldap server? |
| 18:47.55 | mmiikkee12 | ke6isf: i don't know, i used to do that and got ~12 hours out of them total |
| 18:48.02 | GNUdist | mmiikkee12: I have found cheap case fans on the Inet, that have the standard 4 pin PSU connector like any drive power cable... |
| 18:48.04 | mmiikkee12 | now i have a better cooling system |
| 18:48.11 | mmiikkee12 | !cooling |
| 18:48.11 | dpkg | somebody said cooling was at http://www.wizard.com/users/scfoster/public_html/ |
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| 18:48.28 | justStormY | can anybody tell me a good/small webbrowser for my debian system but not firefox ;) |
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| 18:48.38 | mmiikkee12 | lynx :) |
| 18:48.43 | Wyzard | or elinks |
| 18:48.51 | deadcat | dillo |
| 18:48.57 | mmiikkee12 | or cat eth0 |
| 18:48.58 | deadcat | or links2 |
| 18:48.58 | mmiikkee12 | :) |
| 18:49.07 | deadcat | mmiikkee12: hows that working for you |
| 18:49.12 | Andy837 | i've done "apt-cache show vhcs" which is a package i want to work - i have got some suggestion sand some conflicts, do i need to sort the conflicts out? |
| 18:49.18 | mmiikkee12 | deadcat: ? |
| 18:49.22 | deadcat | michael_: cat eth0 |
| 18:49.26 | mmiikkee12 | i use firefox |
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| 18:49.34 | mmiikkee12 | and it's mmiikkee12 |
| 18:49.35 | mmiikkee12 | :) |
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| 18:49.46 | Wyzard | Andy837: "apt-cache show" on my system (running unstable) says there's no such package |
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| 18:50.07 | deadcat | so you recommend something that dont work to people? great |
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| 18:50.11 | Andy837 | pool/sarge/main/v/vhcs/vhcs_2.4.6.2-1_all.deb |
| 18:50.13 | franz | antgel, that's a good idea but if the user has no internet access..? |
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| 18:50.55 | GNUdist | Just got a 21" hi-res Nokia monitor at a garage sale, and am using it now, but, prob in X1186 config... KDE won't let me up the resolutions beyond 1024 X 768,! even |
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| 18:51.06 | antgel | franz: add the user to /etc/passwd unless you can find some sort of nss cache |
| 18:51.17 | Wyzard | Andy837: The packages search page on debian.org also says there's no such package, in any of {oldstable, stable, testing, experimental, unstable} |
| 18:51.21 | ke6isf | Hey, that cooling link has gone to being 404 compliant. |
| 18:51.46 | mmiikkee12 | what would i pick in bug buddy to report an apt bug? |
| 18:51.58 | Andy837 | check out #flood to see what i run |
| 18:52.36 | PandaKun | hmm |
| 18:52.39 | PandaKun | i can't connect to my ftp. |
| 18:52.40 | PandaKun | im using proftpd. |
| 18:52.46 | PandaKun | i get "closed connection." when i try to connect. |
| 18:52.53 | fbi | GNUdist: so reconfigure X and select higher resolutions. |
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| 18:53.05 | Wyzard | Andy837: I don't see "vhcl" mentioned anywhere in what you pasted |
| 18:53.13 | typewriter | anyone use postfix+amavis+spamassassin ? |
| 18:53.37 | antgel | !tell typewriter about anyone |
| 18:53.37 | EdLin | !anyone |
| 18:53.38 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 18:54.16 | tarzeau | gravity: thanks. your tip about the ctrl-m (dos line endings) helped |
| 18:54.24 | tarzeau | gravity: i've fixed the patch to be like dos files |
| 18:54.27 | EdLin | antgel: great minds think alike |
| 18:54.29 | typewriter | i'm using postfix+amavis w/ spamassassin, i'm wondering if i edited /etc/spamassassin/local.cf does that work? since there are settings in amavis.conf too |
| 18:54.39 | tarzeau | antgel: i've gotten what i was looking for three monts :) |
| 18:54.48 | antgel | EdLin: fools seldom differ :) |
| 18:54.50 | geemark | does anyone know what the status is on the Logitech diNovo LCD? Has anyone reverse-engineered the protocol? |
| 18:54.58 | antgel | tarzeau: good work. my life is a mess :) |
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| 18:55.10 | antgel | geemark: google will let you know |
| 18:55.17 | PandaKun | "localhost.localdomain - Failed binding to 0.0.0.0, port 21: Address already in use" |
| 18:55.17 | ke6isf | typewriter: Well, what are you trying to do? editing the spamassassin/local.cf will work if you're tryign to modify the spamassassin configuration. |
| 18:55.18 | PandaKun | any idea? |
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| 18:55.31 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 18:55.31 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. |
| 18:55.36 | geemark | antgel: no it wont |
| 18:55.53 | typewriter | i'm just wondering if the settings i edit will work when amavis calls upon spamassassin, and whether which rule has precedence the ones defined in amavis.conf or in local.cf |
| 18:56.02 | antgel | geemark: then you're SOL |
| 18:56.15 | geemark | antgel: SOL? |
| 18:56.19 | GNUdist | flxi: I did dpkg reconfigure X22r6, and still, no joy! |
| 18:56.21 | typewriter | shit outta luck |
| 18:56.21 | ke6isf | !tell typewriter about sicco |
| 18:56.30 | ke6isf | !sol |
| 18:56.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sol is Shit Outta Luck. Sex On Legs. Earth's star, or the note that precedes La, or but really straight out of luck, or a shit beer |
| 18:56.57 | fbi | actually, 'sol' means 'sun' in spanish. |
| 18:57.00 | fbi | !tell me about es |
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| 18:57.19 | typewriter | actually, sol rhymes with bowl |
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| 18:57.29 | EdLin | I believe sol is Latin |
| 18:57.30 | fbi | speaking of bowl, /me sparks one |
| 18:57.38 | GNUdist | flxi: meant to say X11R6... and I reconfigered it, byt it is making me crazy... |
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| 18:58.28 | thecoolestcow | how do i exit X? |
| 18:58.45 | Andy837 | it is VHCS |
| 18:58.45 | ke6isf | thecoolestcow: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace is the inelegant way. |
| 18:58.48 | kimo | thecoolestcow, ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 18:58.53 | kimo | is there anyway I can force a process internet traffic to pass through eth1, not eth0 ? |
| 18:58.53 | mmiikkee12 | what would i pick in bug buddy to report an apt bug? |
| 18:58.54 | thecoolestcow | ke6isf: whats the elegant way...? |
| 18:59.09 | ke6isf | thecoolestcow: Assuming that it's set to auto-start, you log out. |
| 18:59.16 | Wyzard | thecoolestcow: If you're using GNOME or KDE or XFCE, with the logout command on one of its menus |
| 18:59.18 | EdLin | GNUdist: you mean xserver-xfree86 or -xorg, don't you? |
| 18:59.34 | Wyzard | thecoolestcow: If you're using some plain window manager, it should have a quit command somewhere |
| 18:59.38 | fbi | !tell GNUdist about drxx |
| 18:59.38 | thecoolestcow | Wyzard and ke6isf: gotcha. |
| 18:59.46 | thecoolestcow | ok bye. |
| 18:59.49 | Wyzard | kimo: That's what the routing table is for |
| 19:00.02 | GNUdist | Edlin: Yes, I did xserver-xfree86 to config my x. |
| 19:00.06 | klark | i get this error imaplogin: Error reading ACLs for INBOX.Sent: Permission denied and i can't find anything on google... not much help in other channels either... anyone has any clues about this ? |
| 19:00.11 | Andy837 | so do i need to sort conflicts out? |
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| 19:00.24 | EdLin | GNUdist: are you giving it the right scan rates? |
| 19:00.27 | GNUdist | This 21" monitor was a good bargain with all cables, for $5? |
| 19:00.47 | kimo | Wyzard, I thought routing tables control ports and destination IPs. But can I force all firefox traffic to eth1, but konqueror traffic to eth0 ? should I look into iptables ? |
| 19:00.51 | GNUdist | Edlin, yes, right off the factory web spec page! |
| 19:01.06 | Wyzard | kimo: oh... no, that's different, and afaik you can't do that |
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| 19:01.28 | EdLin | GNUdist: have you tried to configure /etc/X11/XF86Config by hand? If so, drxx won't fix it. |
| 19:01.35 | Wyzard | Andy837: I didn't see any conflicts either |
| 19:01.58 | Andy837 | check flood.... |
| 19:02.13 | Wyzard | Andy837: You installed several packages, a few of them failed to configure for some reason (not the same thing as a conflict), and the rest succeeded |
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| 19:02.19 | GNUdist | Edlin, I configured for Hfreq 30-121 Vfre 50-150, and all resols should work... and the vid card is Nvidia TNT2-64 w/ 32MB video RAm |
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| 19:02.39 | Wyzard | Andy837: What does "apt-cache policy vhcl" say? |
| 19:02.50 | Andy837 | vhcl or vhcs? |
| 19:03.00 | Wyzard | Andy837: vhcs, sorry |
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| 19:03.23 | blockd | kimo: I have a untried idea how you might be able to do that |
| 19:03.35 | kimo | blockd, go ahead |
| 19:03.36 | Andy837 | check #flood |
| 19:03.37 | blockd | kimo: try "ssh -D 8080 <ip-address-for-eth0>" |
| 19:03.40 | Ae|-_GoD | Although, I extracted some fonts into /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/, I have restarted xfs, I have done mkfontdir and mkfontscale, I can select these fonts only in xmms, any ideas? :-) |
| 19:03.40 | thecoolestcow | ok i obviously missed something... ctrl alt backspace during the login screen just closed it and started it back up again |
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| 19:03.45 | EdLin | I'm also using a TNT2 M64. An old card, but good enough for a bit more than 1024x768. (Though that's how I run it because I get better refresh rates on my 17" monitor then.) |
| 19:03.59 | Wyzard | Andy837: So it's an unofficial package from some unofficial repository |
| 19:04.01 | blockd | kimo: then set the firefox proxy for <ip-address-for-eth0>. SSH can be a socks5 proxy |
| 19:04.06 | Andy837 | yeh |
| 19:04.19 | blockd | kimo: then do something similar for the other network interface |
| 19:04.22 | Wyzard | Andy837: If it has conflicts, it's because the maintainer of that unofficial package hasn't kept it up-to-date |
| 19:04.33 | Wyzard | Andy837: That package is not part of Debian... ask the maintainer about it |
| 19:04.38 | Andy837 | so how do i get around it? |
| 19:04.53 | kimo | blockd, hmm, looks neat! |
| 19:04.59 | kimo | blockd, thnx man. Will try it |
| 19:05.06 | blockd | kimo: you'll need to be running sshd though |
| 19:05.08 | thecoolestcow | Wyzard: i typed ctrl+alt+backspace in the login screen, and it just closed and reopened... any other way to close X? |
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| 19:05.16 | joycea_ | I'm trying to build a kernel on an i386 for a amd64 arch, is this a normal message: dpkg-architecture: warning: Specified GNU system type x86_64-linux-gnu does not match gcc system type i486-linux-gnu. |
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| 19:05.23 | Wyzard | Andy837: You ask the maintainer about the problem |
| 19:05.28 | blockd | kimo: there's probably a better way, but that's seems quick and simple to me... |
| 19:05.36 | Andy837 | ok thanks :s |
| 19:05.36 | thecoolestcow | Wyzard: better phrased, what else do i need to do to close X? |
| 19:05.40 | EdLin | thecoolestcow: /etc/init.d/xdm (or kdm, or gdm, or login.app) stop |
| 19:05.44 | GNUdist | Edlin: I am doing my first apt-get update/upgrade since a new install on this 1.3Ghz Duron with dual 80 Gb drives... |
| 19:05.47 | Wyzard | Andy837: I still haven't seen any conflicts in anything you've pasted |
| 19:05.51 | GNUdist | and will be back soon |
| 19:06.10 | walhala_ | how can do to disable xdm at boot ? |
| 19:06.34 | Wyzard | thecoolestcow: Oh, you're not just talking about logging out, you just want to get to a text console |
| 19:06.44 | thecoolestcow | Wyzard: yeah. |
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| 19:06.54 | Wyzard | thecoolestcow: You don't have to kill X for that, just switch away from it -- press Ctrl-Alt-F1 |
| 19:07.00 | Wyzard | thecoolestcow: and Alt-F7 later to switch back |
| 19:07.14 | thecoolestcow | Wyzard: ah, but to install the Nvidia driver, i do. |
| 19:07.18 | Wyzard | thecoolestcow: You don't have to log out from your X session either |
| 19:07.26 | thecoolestcow | Wyzard: yep, i do. |
| 19:07.43 | resiak | !tell thecoolestcow -about nvidia howto |
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| 19:07.51 | resiak | thecoolestcow: Do not use the installer from nvidia's website |
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| 19:07.56 | Wyzard | thecoolestcow: You don't need to kill X to *install* the driver, but after you've installed it you need to restart X to start *using* the driver |
| 19:08.02 | EdLin | thecoolestcow: you can install the nvidia driver the Debian way without exiting X. |
| 19:08.27 | Wyzard | thecoolestcow: but you've already restarted it, by pressing Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to kill the server (which gdm immediately started again, with the new configuration) |
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| 19:09.03 | thecoolestcow | resiak: why dont i use that one? |
| 19:09.04 | mboso | anyone know of a way to change a tty* font? |
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| 19:09.32 | Wyzard | mboso: Edit the SCREEN_FONT line in /etc/console-tools/config |
| 19:09.41 | Wyzard | mboso: I use ter-v16b from the "console-terminus" package |
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| 19:10.45 | mboso | Wyzard: thanks, i'll check into it. |
| 19:10.59 | resiak | thecoolestcow: Because it screws things up, and the Debian way is easier and safer. /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
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| 19:12.08 | joycea_ | amd64-linux-gcc: command not found << how can I get this command on an i386 system? |
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| 19:13.20 | didlix | any reason why apt-get wont find packages I can easily find when searching packages.debian.org ? |
| 19:13.48 | mmiikkee12 | joycea: apt-get install amd64-linux-gcc or similar |
| 19:14.05 | mmiikkee12 | i mean joycea_ |
| 19:14.06 | fbi | didlix: any package you find on p.d.o should be found using apt-get, if you're using official repositories |
| 19:14.11 | mboso | Wyzard: Is there a way to see the newly loaded fonts without rebooting? |
| 19:14.16 | marstewel | didlix: packages or files ? |
| 19:14.24 | didlix | im using default installed system settings |
| 19:14.29 | didlix | marstewel: packages |
| 19:14.41 | bloom | mmiikkee12: that's not how you do it |
| 19:14.41 | marstewel | didlix: do you have a *valid* sources.list ? |
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| 19:14.43 | EdLin | didlix: of Debian? |
| 19:14.56 | marstewel | EdLin: if he uses packages.debian.org of course |
| 19:15.00 | Wyzard | mboso: man consolechars |
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| 19:15.06 | didlix | heres an example |
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| 19:15.08 | Wyzard | mboso: Just give it the name of the font that you put into the config file |
| 19:15.09 | mmiikkee12 | bloom: install it somehow, i don't know the pkg name |
| 19:15.09 | bloom | joycea: you need to install toolchain-source, then use that to compile a crosscompiler |
| 19:15.13 | didlix | http://packages.debian.org/stable/x11/amsn |
| 19:15.13 | mrec | hmm is there a way to cancel a reboot? |
| 19:15.16 | Wyzard | mboso: You'll need to run it separately on each VT though |
| 19:15.24 | mmiikkee12 | oh i see |
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| 19:15.28 | mmiikkee12 | on i386 |
| 19:15.31 | FarrisG | How do I configure exim4 to (a) use maildirs and (b) user maildirs someplace other than /home/$user/? |
| 19:15.33 | marstewel | didlix: did you setup apt ? |
| 19:15.38 | didlix | no |
| 19:15.42 | Wyzard | mrec: Not if you used "now" as the time argument, but if it's scheduled for a future reboot, yes, you can cancel it |
| 19:15.44 | marstewel | didlix: apt-setup |
| 19:15.44 | didlix | the cdrom did :) |
| 19:15.46 | didlix | ty |
| 19:16.03 | mboso | Wyzard: what i'm really interested in is being able to see japanese fonts in my terminals. Knowing how to change them is the first step :-) |
| 19:16.07 | deus | I got a woody installation CD, and trying to use it to install debian on a netfinity computer |
| 19:16.19 | mmiikkee12 | how do i upgrade my kernel to 2.6.14? i can only get 2.6.8 |
| 19:16.21 | marstewel | deus: woody is oldstable; you should consider sarge |
| 19:16.29 | marstewel | mmiikkee12: build from source |
| 19:16.29 | thecoolestcow | i asked dpkg about non-free sources, what the heck? when i add "contrib non-free" to the end, whats the risk? |
| 19:16.30 | deus | marstewel: its the only cd i have |
| 19:16.34 | didlix | im a new debian user :) |
| 19:16.38 | mrec | Wyzard: hmm strange because after detaching a usb device I cannot unload any usb module anymore, but after typing reboot the commandline comes back and the module is unloaded |
| 19:16.39 | bloom | mmiikkee12: 2.6.14 is in unstable |
| 19:16.42 | deus | marstewel: i can upgrade after the installation is finnished no? |
| 19:16.53 | marstewel | deus: you sure can |
| 19:16.56 | mmiikkee12 | is the kernel itself stable? |
| 19:17.06 | marstewel | mmiikkee12: that depends on your look of *stable* |
| 19:17.14 | didlix | ceers |
| 19:17.16 | mmiikkee12 | nm |
| 19:17.20 | didlix | cheers* |
| 19:17.21 | didlix | thats much better |
| 19:17.21 | marstewel | mmiikkee12: I am using 2.6.13.4 on a couple of production machines |
| 19:17.22 | Wyzard | mboso: I know that's possible because there's some kanji or katakana (not sure which) in the language-selection menu of the installer... but I don't know what font you'd need to load to do that |
| 19:17.22 | joycea_ | bloom: thanks, I'll look into that. |
| 19:17.23 | deus | but i know i have to use aic7xxx as scsi controller |
| 19:17.40 | deus | the installation cant find the harddrive |
| 19:17.44 | thecoolestcow | whats the risk of adding contrib non-free to the end of the source in sources.list? |
| 19:17.56 | valdyn | thecoolestcow: no risk |
| 19:17.56 | deus | but how can i load the driver? Or is it a module? |
| 19:17.58 | deus | anyway |
| 19:18.01 | mboso | Wyzard: nice. i'll do some checking. |
| 19:18.01 | EdLin | deus: then maybe you need Sarge |
| 19:18.03 | marstewel | thecoolestcow: risk your freedom :D |
| 19:18.07 | deadcat | deus: modprobe |
| 19:18.13 | EdLin | !d-i deus |
| 19:18.13 | mboso | Wyzard: which installer are you talking about exactly? |
| 19:18.14 | dpkg | deus, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 19:18.17 | thecoolestcow | marstewel: yeah thats what i mean, what will happen? |
| 19:18.28 | deus | i know |
| 19:18.34 | Wyzard | thecoolestcow: non-free contains software with more restrictive license terms; you should check the license before installing such programs, to make sure it's acceptable to you |
| 19:18.38 | marstewel | thecoolestcow: why do you want to use those anyways ? |
| 19:18.41 | Wyzard | mboso: the ordinary sarge installer |
| 19:18.42 | deus | BUt i have no CD to burn it on :( |
| 19:18.47 | exobyte_ | mknod makes pipes, right? |
| 19:18.53 | Wyzard | exobyte_: mkfifo |
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| 19:19.08 | thecoolestcow | marstewel: your name is hard to type. i was trying out the one-line nvidia installer, and it uses contrib non-free |
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| 19:19.20 | exobyte_ | Wyzard: cool. just to check, can mknod do that? |
| 19:19.26 | mboso | Wyzard: ah, got ya. cool. thanks again for the tips. |
| 19:19.29 | fbi | deus: http://www.debian.org/distrib/floppyinst |
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| 19:19.44 | Wyzard | exobyte_: hmm, apparently it can, if you specify 'p' as the device type... I hadn't known that |
| 19:19.45 | takatumi | thecoolestcow: you worried eh? |
| 19:19.47 | deus | EdLin: was that something you told me todo? or was it a command for a boot? |
| 19:19.54 | EdLin | deus: nm then. Sarge however has hardware autodetection, it is more likely to recognize your hard drive and other periptherals. |
| 19:19.59 | deus | fbi: floppies is even scarce'er |
| 19:19.59 | exobyte_ | Wyzard: mkfifo is easier to read. thx |
| 19:20.07 | thecoolestcow | takatumi: kinda, i dont know what will happen. |
| 19:20.11 | EdLin | deus: it's the URL for the Sarge installer |
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| 19:20.40 | Wyzard | mboso: The console is fairly limited though... no variable-width fonts, and I think there's a fairly low limit on the number of character glyphs it can load in a font |
| 19:20.51 | takatumi | how's the hotplug removal udev transition hanging? |
| 19:21.07 | Wyzard | mboso: don't expect to be able to display arbitrary kanji or anything |
| 19:21.08 | loca|host | somebody using gmailfs ? |
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| 19:21.20 | fbi | loca|host: just ask |
| 19:21.23 | vefasiz_16 | slm |
| 19:21.25 | takatumi | loca|host: wasn't working the last time I tried. |
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| 19:21.37 | deus | is it possible to install it over ssh? |
| 19:22.02 | takatumi | deus: do you have an OS on it now? |
| 19:22.06 | loca|host | i got gmailfs installed, configured the /etc/gmailfs/gmailfs.conf but dunno how to mount ? |
| 19:22.25 | deus | takatumi: on the machine? yes, a relatively old suse installation |
| 19:22.35 | deus | but i forgot the root |
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| 19:22.46 | Wyzard | deus: You can fix that without reinstalling, you know |
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| 19:23.04 | deus | well i want debian nontheless |
| 19:23.11 | Wyzard | fair enough |
| 19:23.29 | deus | Wyzard: are you thinking about taking the scsi controller installation from the old system? |
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| 19:24.02 | Wyzard | deus: For fixing the root password, I was thinking about booting with "init=/bin/bash" and just editing /etc/passwd |
| 19:24.04 | takatumi | deus: look at debootstrap if it ain't broken, or debtakeover |
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| 19:24.29 | deus | takatumi: where are we now? |
| 19:24.39 | Wyzard | takatumi: I doubt debootstrap would be broken -- it's what the installer uses |
| 19:24.53 | fbi | what on earth is debtakeover |
| 19:24.54 | loca|host | noone tryed it ? |
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| 19:25.43 | takatumi | loca|host: mount -t gmailfs none /path/of/mount/point -o username=foo@gmail.com,password=bar,fsname=zOlRRa (this is what I have in history, tweak it perhaps) |
| 19:25.44 | bucky | fbi its a virus that takes over your machine and secretly installs debian |
| 19:25.51 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 19:25.58 | fbi | bucky: cool where can i get that! |
| 19:26.06 | loca|host | fsname=zOlRRa ? |
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| 19:26.32 | takatumi | !debtakeover |
| 19:26.32 | dpkg | Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
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| 19:26.40 | fbi | i love how alsa all of a sudden started making my speakers pick up noise from mouse movements |
| 19:26.48 | fbi | that shit never happened with oss |
| 19:26.51 | takatumi | loca|host: check the docs. |
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| 19:27.16 | Wyzard | fbi: That's not the sound API's fault, that's just your mixer levels |
| 19:27.30 | fbi | Wyzard: i already played with alsamixer, still does it |
| 19:27.32 | deus | OOOh |
| 19:27.38 | deus | i think i solved the problem |
| 19:27.43 | deus | i started up compact |
| 19:27.45 | fbi | it only happens with speaker volume all the way up, which is rare anyway |
| 19:27.45 | Wyzard | fbi: You're hearing electromagnetic interference from inside your computer's case |
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| 19:27.52 | stack | where does debian keep its hdparm settings |
| 19:28.09 | deus | its said it had plenty support for ide scsi older hardware |
| 19:28.12 | loca|host | takatumi, i got a failure |
| 19:28.13 | loca|host | File "/usr/share/gmailfs/gmailfs.py", line 1117, in ? |
| 19:28.16 | Wyzard | fbi: but however you had your mixer set in the past, the lines with the interference were muted |
| 19:28.17 | loca|host | ... |
| 19:28.18 | bloom | Wyzard: I have a smiilar problem to fbi. How can I fix it? |
| 19:28.44 | takatumi | loca|host: I gave up at that point. |
| 19:28.49 | fbi | meh. i'm not really bothered, when i'm playing audio/video you don't really notice it |
| 19:28.49 | [LV]z1ng3r | what does mean "fsname=zOlRRa" ? |
| 19:28.50 | Wyzard | bloom: Mute any inputs (line-in, microphone, etc.) that you're not using |
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| 19:29.17 | vimman | what is the program that gets the live satellite picture to desktop ? |
| 19:29.20 | takatumi | [LV]z1ng3r: some random crap I added. |
| 19:29.44 | takatumi | vimman: google earth? |
| 19:29.48 | [LV]z1ng3r | there can be everything I want? |
| 19:29.57 | deus | yes, i got the hardrive |
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| 19:30.19 | deus | this computer will act as a 24 hour server |
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| 19:30.34 | vimman | takatumi: google earth does not create a dynamic desktop background.. |
| 19:30.37 | deus | what kind of partition setup do you sugest? |
| 19:30.47 | takatumi | deus: for suse? |
| 19:30.51 | deus | debian |
| 19:31.19 | takatumi | deus: d-i has some suggestions. |
| 19:31.30 | deus | whats that? |
| 19:31.48 | takatumi | fuck dude, where did you land from? |
| 19:32.07 | Wyzard | takatumi: Someone using debtakeover isn't going to be touching D-I |
| 19:32.13 | deus | takatumi: no one knows |
| 19:32.22 | Wyzard | deus: Debian-Installer, the "normal" way to install Debian |
| 19:32.30 | numer | RichiH do you know if agere is the only one who has produced these orinoco cards |
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| 19:32.49 | takatumi | Wyzard: didn't know he's half way into debtakeover already. |
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| 19:32.58 | RichiH | numer: lucent produced them, too |
| 19:33.01 | Wyzard | deus: You might want to take a look at the installation manual on debian.org |
| 19:33.07 | RichiH | numer: they wrere bought up, at some point |
| 19:33.34 | RichiH | numer: also, the firmware is not for the orinoco cards. it's for some access point which uses the same hardware internally |
| 19:33.51 | deus | it might be a layer of confusion here, i managed to let the installer find the hardirve |
| 19:33.58 | numer | RichiH ohh, so there is no firmware for the cards? |
| 19:34.04 | deus | and i am now proceeding to install it trough normal means |
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| 19:34.22 | takatumi | Wyzard: ^^??!! |
| 19:34.30 | RichiH | numer: there is the gold & silver firmware, both of which work for both cards |
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| 19:34.40 | deus | takatumi: i havent heard about that acronym so ... |
| 19:34.43 | dieguito | hello, I'm having problems connecting a debian box with my freebsd server via NFS, I just read in google that the nfs versions of both are incompatible, is this true? how can I solve the problem in that case? |
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| 19:34.51 | takatumi | deus: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 19:34.56 | Wyzard | takatumi: ? |
| 19:35.04 | RichiH | numer: and there is the AP firmware, which also works in both cards |
| 19:35.33 | Wyzard | deus: So you're not using debtakeover? |
| 19:35.34 | gratuit | does anyone know of a program for linux that will let you see all of the open windows at once as smaller versions to select which one gets focus? similar to expose(pronounced exposay) on mac OSX? |
| 19:35.40 | numer | RichiH would i have to find this AP firmware for my gold card? i dont know how to proceed further |
| 19:35.51 | zinx | gratuit: fvwm has a "FvwmProxy" module |
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| 19:36.07 | deus | debtakeover no |
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| 19:36.24 | Wyzard | deus: OK, then you're using D-I :-) |
| 19:36.27 | zinx | gratuit: which creates smaller windows roughly centered on all windows (but moved so that they don't overlap) |
| 19:36.37 | numer | RichiH what I want is to be able to make use of kismet with my orinoco gold card |
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| 19:36.58 | RichiH | numer: yes, you need to find this firmware somewhere |
| 19:37.03 | Wyzard | zinx: I don't think someone wanting an OSX-like desktop is going to be interested in fvwm :-) |
| 19:37.09 | RichiH | numer: if you find it, you can tell me, too |
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| 19:37.43 | deus | Since this is really the first time im gonna setup a server that is going to be used, is there anything i should know before setting up the partition |
| 19:38.22 | takatumi | my dwl G650 works well, except for the blinking lights. :-) |
| 19:38.26 | gratuit | Wyzard: quite wrong I used twm for quite a while, though I now use fluxbox. I just want a window changer similar to something that is available on mac OSX |
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| 19:38.34 | Wyzard | deus: Not in general, but the way you should partition depends on what you plan on using the server for |
| 19:38.49 | numer | RichiH unfortunatelly i can not find it. |
| 19:39.07 | BillHarris | Anyone got tips on getting gnucash 1.8.10-19 working? I've got slib 3a2-2, and I can't reinstall gnucash. |
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| 19:39.28 | zinx | Wyzard: well, you *can* make fvwm look decent, it's just that most fvwm users seem to have very bad taste |
| 19:39.39 | BillHarris | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=337359 gave me hope, but it still didn't work. |
| 19:39.56 | takatumi | the default fvwm set up is just so wacky. |
| 19:40.01 | deus | Wyzard: webserver, maybe ftp and mail to |
| 19:40.08 | zinx | taka: especially in debian :) |
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| 19:40.27 | deus | Wyzard: and whatever smart uses i can find for it |
| 19:40.29 | yacoob | Hi. |
| 19:40.45 | Wyzard | deus: If it's going to be handling a lot of mail, you want to have plenty of space in /var/mail, and preferably with its own partition |
| 19:40.48 | yacoob | Can anyone tell me why mc does NOT uses mime-info for the action bound to specific files? |
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| 19:41.12 | takatumi | Wyzard: do continue. |
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| 19:41.28 | yacoob | It's highly annoying :( |
| 19:41.46 | Wyzard | deus: If you're going to have databases, you should be aware that databases recommend *disabling* write caching on the drive(s) where the data is stored, to avoid potential data loss in the event of a crash -- so you'd want to have the database on a separate drive, since you do want caching enabled for everything else |
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| 19:42.02 | deus | Wyzard: well probably not much mail :,( ( im so lonely) |
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| 19:42.20 | Wyzard | deus: In general, just make sure your partitions aren't too small for the data you plan on putting on them |
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| 19:42.28 | deus | But im just going with the normal setup |
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| 19:42.37 | deus | swap and boot |
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| 19:43.05 | deus | Wyzard: it for privat uses, so its not going to be that much activity |
| 19:43.16 | Wyzard | deus: The defaults should be OK then |
| 19:43.39 | Wyzard | deus: I use LVM on my systems, for flexibility in rearranging things later, though that adds some complexity |
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| 19:43.51 | deus | Wyzard: i know, trust me |
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| 19:44.08 | deus | but its only an old pc with 10 gB |
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| 19:44.30 | kickinass | Wyzard,deus and myself has been talking for last 2 minutes |
| 19:44.55 | fbi | kickinass: i would say something, but i'm busy cybering dpkg |
| 19:45.06 | takatumi | kickinass: so he's not so lonely. eh? |
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| 19:46.28 | deus | takatumi: a joke, not much mail. |
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| 19:46.45 | gino | please i forgot how to solve problem X lib connection to : 0.0 refused by server ? |
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| 19:46.56 | vimman | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.01 | AntiProxy | hi everyone |
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| 19:47.56 | AntiProxy | i have a remote debian sarge box that just rebooted out of the blue, with no signs of trouble in any of the logs i could find.. one thing worth mentioning is that i have ddb.panic=60 set in sysctl.conf to reboot in case of a kernel panic.. the question is, is there anyway for me to verify if the reboot was caused by a kernel panic, rather than an external factor (i.e power trip) ? |
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| 19:48.45 | gino | because i cant write in /etc/fstab |
| 19:48.53 | deus | How much swap size would a server with 128 ram need? |
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| 19:49.04 | Yarou | hjhjhjh |
| 19:49.08 | Unuma678 | I want to run a remote program on other machince therew telnet but view it with my display. How can I change the DISPLAY that it will point to my machine? |
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| 19:49.21 | Wyzard | AntiProxy: Not that I know of, if there's nothing in the logs... kernel panics and power burps are both unpredictable sudden events, so there isn't really a way to record that one has happened when it happens |
| 19:49.28 | blockd | Unuma678: you can do X11 forwarding with SSH |
| 19:49.32 | Wyzard | Unuma678: Use ssh's "-X" option |
| 19:49.47 | Wyzard | Unuma678: preferably with "-C" as well, unless it's just over a LAN |
| 19:49.55 | Unuma678 | shh -x? |
| 19:50.02 | Yarou | LOL |
| 19:50.04 | Wyzard | ssh |
| 19:50.10 | Wyzard | instead of telnet |
| 19:50.12 | blockd | Unuma678: but then keep in mind that whoever's root on the remote machine could technically access your local X server if they wanted |
| 19:50.25 | Unuma678 | blockd: ha.. |
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| 19:50.31 | Unuma678 | not very good |
| 19:50.40 | blockd | Unuma678: usually just ssh -X user@remote |
| 19:50.44 | Wyzard | blockd: not "technically"... they could, plain and simple |
| 19:50.57 | blockd | and even then it might not work if they've disabled X11 forwarding |
| 19:51.07 | AntiProxy | Wyzard: is there anything i can setup to watch for future events? i'm afraid something's up with the server, being brand new both hardware and OS.. i'd like to make sure this won't be happening again :S |
| 19:51.26 | blockd | Wyzard: well, yes. Just cp ~user/.Xauthority and there you have it |
| 19:51.27 | AntiProxy | if it's a kernel panic, i'd like to find out what's causing it |
| 19:51.49 | magyar | why is pppoe module on sarge is such a shit? |
| 19:52.15 | valdyn | !tell magyar -about smart questions |
| 19:52.26 | pusling | is there a place to see all packages in the NEW queue ? |
| 19:52.31 | Wyzard | AntiProxy: Again, there's no way to anticipate that either kind of fault is going to occur, and once it occurs, no way to log it since the kernel has crashed or the power is out |
| 19:52.41 | magyar | valdyn, i hear you |
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| 19:52.57 | valdyn | pusling: maybe you mean http://incoming.debian.org/ |
| 19:53.00 | Wyzard | AntiProxy: There's something called "Linux kernel crash dump" ("LKCD") which *might* be able to log a panic, but I've never used it so I don't know |
| 19:53.00 | Unuma678 | thanks :) it worked.. |
| 19:53.03 | magyar | valdyn, but that still doesnt answer my question |
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| 19:53.21 | Wyzard | AntiProxy: LKCD requires a custom kernel though |
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| 19:53.46 | pusling | valdyn: no - earlier than that |
| 19:53.47 | magyar | valdyn, the ppp connection just keeps on trying to connect but until "poff/pon" it wont connect |
| 19:53.49 | AntiProxy | Wyzard: so my best bet is to disable auto-reboot on panic, and wait for a local admin to check out the console.. in other words.. downtime :S |
| 19:53.56 | AntiProxy | lemme check out LKCD.. thanks for the tip Wyzard |
| 19:53.57 | Wyzard | AntiProxy: "apt-cache search lkcd" turns up a few related utilities, btw |
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| 19:54.28 | magyar | for crying out loud a mandrake with 2.2 kernel is doing a bettr job reconnecting |
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| 19:54.42 | AntiProxy | Wyzard: i'm already on it |
| 19:54.43 | AntiProxy | thanks |
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| 19:54.47 | Ae|-_GoD | Although, I extracted some fonts into /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/, I have restarted xfs, I have done mkfontdir and mkfontscale, I can select these fonts only in xmms, any ideas? :-) |
| 19:54.58 | AntiProxy | Wyzard: the first thing that caught my eye is the patch package.. :\ |
| 19:54.58 | Wyzard | AntiProxy: You probably need to compile a custom kernel using kernel-patch-lkcd |
| 19:55.02 | flash | i...i am trying to install gaim 1.5, and it's as far as i know in "testing" or "unstable"... |
| 19:55.04 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 19:55.06 | dieguito | and a funny app i just forget it's name |
| 19:55.10 | dieguito | hello, I'm having problems connecting a debian box with my freebsd server via NFS, I just read in google that the nfs versions of both are incompatible, is this true? how can I solve the problem in that case? |
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| 19:55.31 | magyar | is there an roaring penguin package for pppoe managment in sarge? |
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| 19:55.44 | flash | how can i do that using synaptic without getting into hell |
| 19:55.46 | MrXerox | what would cause this:? WARNING: /etc/modprobe.d/libsane line 1: ignoring bad line starting with 'blacklist' |
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| 19:56.09 | raghuh | AntiProxy: you have some tools which triggers mail telling you the problem details...sorry not getting name |
| 19:56.12 | Mookie | Hrm. Upgraded from sarge to etch and all my ssh pubkey stuff broke, password auth too. :/ |
| 19:56.33 | Wyzard | flash: Before anything else, check backports.org and apt-get.org to see if someone's made a sarge backport of it |
| 19:56.51 | AntiProxy | raghu: not for something as severe as a kernel panic.. as no tool can run unless it's built in the kernel |
| 19:56.55 | flash | tnx so much wyzard |
| 19:57.02 | resiak | flash: /msg dpkg simple sid backport after that. |
| 19:57.03 | AntiProxy | which brings us back to LKCD |
| 19:57.12 | flash | anyone here using gaim 1.5 under sarge? |
| 19:57.28 | AntiProxy | flash: i do, on my office laptop |
| 19:57.41 | Wyzard | flash: If that fails, you could put 'APT::Default-Release "stable"' in /etc/apt/apt.conf (to prefer stable even when testing packages are available), add a testing line to your sources.list, and apt-get install gaim/testing |
| 19:57.54 | AntiProxy | flash: sorry nevermind.. wrong version |
| 19:57.59 | Wyzard | flash: but that might pull in newer versions of other things |
| 19:58.23 | takatumi | Wyzard: aww, there ain't no patch for .14? |
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| 19:58.54 | flash | yep wyzard, thats what i thought... |
| 19:58.57 | Ae|-_GoD | anyone? |
| 19:59.09 | didlix | any easy way to update the kernel on debian? |
| 19:59.10 | flash | is there a way to apt-get something from testing without messing with the conf? |
| 19:59.10 | resiak | flash: I have Sarge packages built here |
| 19:59.14 | resiak | flash: Do you want them? |
| 19:59.25 | Wyzard | takatumi: "KPATCH_lkcd=2.6.10" would be worth a try, though for something as (I imagine) extensive as LKCD, I wouldn't be surprised if it fails |
| 19:59.29 | flash | resiak, u have sarge packages for gaim 1.5? |
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| 19:59.46 | resiak | flash: http://resiak.dyndns.org/~will/Debian/Sarge/ # I built them. I can't guarantee that I'm not a malicious bastard, but I'm not. |
| 19:59.48 | flash | i mean, gaim 1.5 packages for sarge! |
| 19:59.57 | yacoob | eh |
| 20:00.02 | yacoob | does anyone have sane mc.ext? |
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| 20:00.33 | deus | truth or false, for a computer with 128 MB ram a swap partition with 768 would be enough? |
| 20:00.48 | valdyn | deus: yes |
| 20:01.29 | Wyzard | deus: Depends on what you want to run, but for most cases that would be plenty |
| 20:01.30 | stephelton | 738 people whoa |
| 20:01.52 | gino | any idea for connection to ":0.0" refused by server ? to get out of it ? |
| 20:02.01 | Wyzard | deus: (amount of swap you need) == (amount of memory needed to run your apps) - (amount of RAM you have) |
| 20:02.25 | kickinass | deus,valdyn,Wyzard,stephelton,gino and myself has been talking for last 2 minutes |
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| 20:02.47 | valdyn | gino: what did you do to get that message |
| 20:02.51 | stephelton | kickinass, huh? |
| 20:02.55 | Wyzard | deus: and there are things that would fill up many hundreds of megabytes of memory, but most things won't |
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| 20:03.00 | bsims | I am compiling k3b from source everything ./configures properly but it blows up trying to build the hal support... any ideas? It will build if I disable Hal support. Any ideas on how to track this down for proper bugreporting? |
| 20:03.03 | deus | how about 512? |
| 20:03.11 | gino | just wanted to nedit /etc/fstab |
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| 20:03.27 | valdyn | gino: use sudo or sux to become root in X, not 'su' |
| 20:03.28 | flash | resiak, which one of the files should i use and how? |
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| 20:03.38 | mmiikkee12 | http://pastebin.com/419686 - anyone have any ideas? |
| 20:03.42 | gino | ok thanks Valandil |
| 20:03.47 | Wyzard | bsims: Why build from source? |
| 20:03.51 | gino | Valandil, |
| 20:03.53 | gino | thanks |
| 20:04.06 | Thanatermesis | i need to make a high copy of security of the system and update weekly... if im create a dir and in it, i put a lot of symlinks, rsync accept this ? |
| 20:04.29 | Wyzard | "high copy of the security of the system" ? |
| 20:04.33 | mmiikkee12 | ? |
| 20:04.34 | resiak | flash: gaim-data and gaim, download them, then (as root) dpkg -i gaim*.deb# |
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| 20:04.50 | valdyn | mmiikkee12: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 20:04.52 | Wyzard | I guess that means a backup |
| 20:04.56 | jeg_ | i'm compiling a custom kernel from source; what benefits does make-kpkg provide? anyone here choose not to use it? |
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| 20:05.23 | mmiikkee12 | valdyn: what am i looking for from that? |
| 20:05.24 | Thanatermesis | Wyzard a copy of the security of a lot of parts of my system, projects, programs, texts, home... etc etc etc |
| 20:05.38 | valdyn | mmiikkee12: the version number |
| 20:05.51 | mmiikkee12 | 2.3.5-6 |
| 20:06.01 | bsims | just for humor's sake |
| 20:06.01 | gino | i got sux command not found ! |
| 20:06.16 | valdyn | mmiikkee12: so you are using a etch or sid libc6 on your sarge system? |
| 20:06.17 | Andy837 | how can i remove a whole bunch of packages and purge them all? |
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| 20:06.22 | mmiikkee12 | sarge |
| 20:06.28 | Wyzard | Thanatermesis: The phrase "copy of the security" doesn't make sense, but if you mean making a copy so your data isn't lost if the drive crashes, that's called a backup |
| 20:06.31 | mmiikkee12 | heck, i don't know |
| 20:06.48 | mmiikkee12 | it is a sarge system though |
| 20:06.53 | flash | resiak, will it override my previous gaim conf or will use it? |
| 20:06.54 | jeg_ | Andy837: apt-get remove --purge |
| 20:07.00 | Thanatermesis | backup then |
| 20:07.02 | valdyn | mmiikkee12: no it isnt a sarge system now |
| 20:07.05 | Wyzard | Thanatermesis: You might be interested in the "dirvish" package |
| 20:07.06 | mmiikkee12 | ? |
| 20:07.06 | gino | i remenbered xhost+ but it doen't work to |
| 20:07.07 | deus | hmm...im assigning fs type, but ...what is bootit? |
| 20:07.13 | deus | this is for the boot partition |
| 20:07.29 | mmiikkee12 | valdyn: should i be slapping myself now? |
| 20:07.35 | resiak | flash: It'll use it. |
| 20:07.41 | valdyn | mmiikkee12: yea |
| 20:07.46 | flash | thanks i am trying! |
| 20:07.50 | Wyzard | Thanatermesis: "apt-cache search backup" would turn up other tools |
| 20:07.54 | valdyn | mmiikkee12: i have no idea if downgrading your libc6 would work |
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| 20:07.58 | Thanatermesis | ok, i make a look in dirvish... |
| 20:08.06 | mmiikkee12 | what did i mess up...? |
| 20:08.18 | valdyn | !info libc6 etch |
| 20:08.19 | blockd | gino: xhost isn't enough anymore |
| 20:08.25 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.5-6 (etch), Packaged size: 4815 kB, Installed size: 16356 kB |
| 20:08.32 | valdyn | mmiikkee12: you installed a libc6 package that is not part of sarge |
| 20:08.47 | Thanatermesis | mmmh, or in another words... rsync accepts symlinks ? |
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| 20:08.57 | mmiikkee12 | !slap mmiikkee12 |
| 20:09.15 | gino | xhost + ? |
| 20:09.36 | blockd | gino: wha |
| 20:09.42 | blockd | I mean. |
| 20:09.44 | valdyn | mmiikkee12: try to downgrade your libc6 if you didnt upgrade anything else, or 'upgrade' your whole system to testing |
| 20:09.50 | blockd | gino: what are you trying to do exactly? |
| 20:09.55 | Khiraly | I use my ps2 mouse (on my laptop) through a ps2-usb converter. The problem is, that If I dont plug the converter into my laptop at boot time, it does not work my mouse. |
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| 20:10.01 | blockd | gino: I saw something about trying to use nedit, is that using nedit on a remote machine? |
| 20:10.02 | mmiikkee12 | valdyn: oh boy... i was half asleep when i wrote my sources.list |
| 20:10.04 | mmiikkee12 | deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main |
| 20:10.08 | valdyn | mmiikkee12: sarge's libc6 package you can find at http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 20:10.14 | Khiraly | How can I reset the hardware? |
| 20:10.24 | mmiikkee12 | can i get it through apt-get? |
| 20:10.31 | gino | no on my own machine |
| 20:10.51 | valdyn | mmiikkee12: no idea, havent done that |
| 20:10.54 | Wyzard | Khiraly: I know that's true for a PS2 mouse plugged into an ordinary PS2 port, on most (but not all) computers... if you unplug the mouse and plug it back in again, it won't work until you power-cycle |
| 20:11.04 | Wyzard | Khiraly: wouldn't surprise me if it was true even with the USB adapter |
| 20:11.11 | gino | i want to write in /etc/fstab to change it |
| 20:11.16 | mmiikkee12 | it's supposed to be Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22 |
| 20:11.18 | blockd | gino: and nothing like sux, gksu, or kdesu work? |
| 20:11.23 | valdyn | gino: xhost + is stupid |
| 20:11.26 | mmiikkee12 | according to apt-cache |
| 20:11.27 | gino | no |
| 20:11.33 | valdyn | gino: sure it works |
| 20:11.40 | mmiikkee12 | !slap mmiikkee12 |
| 20:11.53 | gino | i have iceWm |
| 20:12.07 | valdyn | gino: icewm has nothing at all to do with this |
| 20:12.09 | gino | icewm terminal |
| 20:12.12 | blockd | gino: doesn't matter |
| 20:12.15 | valdyn | gino: apt-get install sux |
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| 20:12.24 | Khiraly | Wyzard: at the boot time I see a message something like: reset the usb device. So Im pretty sure, that the mouse reset is done by the linux system and not by the bios itself. |
| 20:12.25 | gino | ok i try |
| 20:12.32 | blockd | gino: you can even use gksu or kdesu under other DE/WM's... |
| 20:12.36 | flash | it worked!!! |
| 20:12.47 | Yarou | yayaya |
| 20:12.55 | flash | thanks so much resiak....ur a magician |
| 20:13.08 | Andy837 | im trying to remove trace of a lot of packages but i got one outstanding package! when i run apt-get -f install i get one thing in there how can i remove this so i can remove the other packages |
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| 20:13.47 | valdyn | Andy837: ..and we are supposed to automagically guess that "thing" |
| 20:13.53 | mmiikkee12 | Andy837: apt-get remove whateveritis |
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| 20:15.01 | resiak | flash: No worries. |
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| 20:15.11 | Andy837 | ok well how can i get rid of the unmet dependicies? |
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| 20:15.43 | lchvdlch | hi guys, how can I change the cache mode (write through -> write back) on a SCSI disk? |
| 20:15.48 | psychonate | How can I clear my playlist in Quod Libet? |
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| 20:15.58 | gino | hourra with gksu ! ! ! thanks |
| 20:16.07 | typewriter | i think i may have removed a dependency pkg, how can i go over all pkgs installed and if its missing a dependency have debian install it? |
| 20:16.23 | raghuh | Andy837: dpkg -a --configure && apt-get -f install && apt-get remove packageudonotneed |
| 20:16.27 | gino | gksu saved me from hell |
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| 20:17.19 | Andy837 | check flood for the output of (dpkg -a --configure) |
| 20:17.29 | Andy837 | that is the same output for apt-get -f install |
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| 20:18.33 | tansaku | I'm having trouble making my debian box visible to the outside world |
| 20:18.39 | raghuh | Andy837: man dpkg llok for suitable opitons from them |
| 20:18.58 | valdyn | typewriter: how did you remove it? |
| 20:19.15 | tansaku | I've used ifconfig eth1 inet <address> to set the ip address, and I can ping that address on the internal network, but not from outside ... |
| 20:19.17 | raghuh | tansaku:? |
| 20:19.23 | Andy837 | rag: i've looked dont understand / need a little more help HENCE WHY I AM HERE :-| |
| 20:19.45 | typewriter | apt-get remove (i am not 100% sure i removed it) |
| 20:19.54 | typewriter | so i just want to see if theres a way to fix dependencies |
| 20:20.03 | hever | Hello there, I'm a little bit in trouble by installing locales. apt tells me, that I need "glibc-2.3.2.ds1-22" but I found no package like this. I want to look now from where it wants to install the locales package an want to choose another source. How could I look from where a package will be installed ? |
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| 20:20.15 | valdyn | typewriter: if you remove something with apt-get then all packages that depend on it would have been removed too |
| 20:20.24 | takatumi | typewriter: try aptitude or synaptic |
| 20:20.25 | bucky | typewriter, apt-get -f install |
| 20:20.31 | tansaku | I'm trying to work out if this is actually something I can set myself, or if I have to get a higher level network administrator to make a change ... |
| 20:20.38 | bucky | -f == fix |
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| 20:22.15 | typewriter | -f doesnt mean fix |
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| 20:22.52 | dos000 | hi |
| 20:22.53 | xelam | -f is closer to break than fix |
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| 20:23.04 | FlameMantisBadgr | hi all |
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| 20:23.11 | xelam | HI |
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| 20:23.33 | FlameMantisBadgr | just wondering if anyone has some ideas for a quick stupid question ... |
| 20:23.33 | bakr | Any one nows a GOOD command-line bittorrent client ? |
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| 20:23.40 | dos000 | i am trying to install raid remotely and i am getting a hell of time with it. iam following http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/238 |
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| 20:23.45 | xelam | FlameMantisBadgr: just ask it ;p |
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| 20:24.10 | streuner_ | bakr: rtorrent |
| 20:24.13 | dos000 | anyone tell me what the mdadm.conf is for or how do igenerate it ? |
| 20:24.13 | Ronin | bakr: the bittorrent one |
| 20:24.23 | FlameMantisBadgr | ... how on earth do you "fix" VIM's indenting, which seems to have broken in debian-sarge since forever? This used to work for me, but now every time I install vim anywhere, and load up a .html file, and select all and hit = to indent, it just removes ALL indenttion :( |
| 20:24.33 | gino | i change the line |
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| 20:24.50 | xelam | maybe it's your .vimrc |
| 20:24.54 | FlameMantisBadgr | (for "used to work" read "I'm sure this used to work out of the box in an older version of debian, but ... that was a long time ago, and my memory isnt great") |
| 20:24.56 | dos000 | i have 2 machines side by side. one with raid installed via installer and the other via an upgrade |
| 20:25.05 | raghu | dos000: it is for raid configuration |
| 20:25.12 | FlameMantisBadgr | xelam: on all new installs on different servers from ISP's to personal machiens, it is *always* broken out of the box these days? |
| 20:25.19 | xelam | oh |
| 20:25.23 | dos000 | raghu, yes. i want to install it remotely |
| 20:25.36 | xelam | what do you mean "install raid" |
| 20:25.44 | xelam | software raid, yes? |
| 20:25.46 | raghu | dos000: apt-cache search mdadm |
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| 20:26.07 | dos000 | xelam, yes it is software raid .. and i am trying to do it remotely |
| 20:26.22 | bakr | official bittorrent client uses python but i don't know how to get programs with python to work.. could anyone help me ? |
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| 20:26.37 | gino | /dev/cdrom /cdrom iso 9600 defaults rw, user, exec noauto 0 0 and i canot mount the cdrom |
| 20:26.49 | tsv | bakr, apt-get install bittornado |
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| 20:27.03 | gino | i change ro with rw |
| 20:27.04 | xelam | dos000: fine, have you partitioned the disks to type fd? |
| 20:27.18 | hever | How could I use apt to show me from where it wants to install a package ? |
| 20:27.21 | gino | is it good ? to be able to mount my cdrom ? |
| 20:27.24 | psychonate | hmmm no more python-musepack in Testing :( |
| 20:27.36 | tsv | hever, apt-get -s install package |
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| 20:28.50 | dos000 | xelam, according to http://juerd.nl/site.plp/debianraid its the last thing i need to do |
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| 20:28.56 | xelam | the last? |
| 20:29.01 | xelam | I'd do that first |
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| 20:29.10 | xelam | then use mdadm to create the array |
| 20:29.14 | xelam | then format it |
| 20:29.25 | tsv | and create a /etc/raidtab :) |
| 20:29.28 | xelam | then edit mdadm.conf, and maybe mount it |
| 20:29.33 | dos000 | i did evrything except change partition type |
| 20:29.42 | xelam | tsv: you don't need that |
| 20:29.46 | hever | tsv: it dont show me more informations |
| 20:29.57 | dos000 | xelam, also the debian admin page does not mention mdadm.conf .. i wonder why ! |
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| 20:30.12 | tsv | hever, read apt reference |
| 20:30.17 | tsv | at debian.org/doc |
| 20:30.29 | xelam | dos000: dunno, i had to put stuff in manually |
| 20:30.37 | magyar | is there a way to see if a system has any active proftpd connections? |
| 20:30.44 | dos000 | xelam, where do u get the uuid from tho ? |
| 20:30.45 | bakr | stv: And how do i start bittornado ? ( I already installed it ) |
| 20:30.52 | xelam | um |
| 20:31.08 | tsv | bakr, hm read the man ? |
| 20:31.20 | tsv | bakr, and install bitornado-gui |
| 20:31.27 | xelam | mdadm --query --detail /dev/mdX |
| 20:31.28 | xelam | that |
| 20:31.32 | xelam | gives you the uuid |
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| 20:31.54 | hever | tsv: it simulates me ok. But it don't show me the location from where it wants to install the package (there is a unment dependencie error) |
| 20:32.24 | tsv | hever, so use -d |
| 20:32.34 | tsv | hever, download only |
| 20:32.35 | tsv | :) |
| 20:32.49 | tsv | -s mean simulate |
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| 20:33.33 | hever | tsv: locales: Depends: glibc-2.3.2.ds1-22 - E: Broken packages |
| 20:33.41 | hever | tsv: no source :( |
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| 20:33.48 | tsv | wait i check |
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| 20:34.43 | diana | Everytime I do alsamixer I put up all the levels...but when I reboot they go down...how can I make them stay up? |
| 20:34.55 | thingfish | alsactl store |
| 20:35.14 | klock_ | hey, im learning to code in perl, and is there anyway to make perl scripts executable upon creation? Its annoying having run chmod +x as root |
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| 20:36.16 | xelam | klock_: not unless whatever program you write them in does it for you |
| 20:36.21 | cahoot | diana: should really been taken care of by /etc/init.d/alsa |
| 20:36.25 | xelam | and you don't have to run chmod +x as root |
| 20:36.33 | xelam | you can do it as a user |
| 20:36.37 | klock_ | xelam: I was just using vim with perl support |
| 20:36.42 | blockd | klock_: why as root? You can also feed the script directly to the perl interpreter |
| 20:36.53 | tsv | hever, hm, what u trying to install ? |
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| 20:37.12 | klock_ | ill go play with it |
| 20:37.12 | hever | tsv: locales |
| 20:37.16 | tsv | hever, on unstable glibc is 2..3.5 |
| 20:37.18 | hever | tsv: locales: Depends: glibc-2.3.2.ds1-22 - E: Broken packages |
| 20:37.27 | tsv | hever, on stable ? |
| 20:37.31 | tsv | ot testing ? |
| 20:37.39 | hever | tsv, sarge |
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| 20:37.44 | hever | I think :) |
| 20:37.57 | hever | tsv: how was the option to find it out ? (it must be sarge) |
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| 20:38.13 | tsv | ok, u have a testing and unstable on your sources.list ? |
| 20:38.17 | smo | hi all i have a problem with mozilla softwares i can t run any of them or only in root, here s a strace copy for those who know it http://pastebin.com/419726 |
| 20:38.55 | hever | tsv: no just sarge! |
| 20:39.04 | tsv | hever, cat /etc/debian_version must be 3.1 |
| 20:39.08 | tsv | ok |
| 20:39.19 | tsv | then run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 20:39.43 | tsv | and after that install locales |
| 20:40.00 | hever | tsv: its testing/unstable |
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| 20:40.04 | tsv | oh |
| 20:40.12 | vt220 | HI |
| 20:40.14 | hever | tsv: that means im running unstable ?! |
| 20:40.14 | vt220 | I HAVE A QUESTION |
| 20:40.16 | vt220 | WHY ACTUALLY |
| 20:40.20 | vt220 | IS DEBIAN SO FUCKING GAY? |
| 20:40.22 | vt220 | :( :( :( |
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| 20:40.33 | hever | tsv: |
| 20:40.34 | tsv | hever, show me your sources.list on query |
| 20:40.44 | hever | tsv: I allrady updated and upgraded |
| 20:40.49 | hever | ok |
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| 20:41.01 | deus | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.09 | Morten | guys, i've got a small issue. i'm running two harddrives on my desktop computer. one of them has linux, and i use grub as my bootloader. when i remove the harddrive with linux on it, i can't boot windows. how to fix? |
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| 20:41.09 | vt220 | stfu |
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| 20:41.23 | Ae|-_GoD | anyone, to help me with fonts problem? |
| 20:41.26 | deus | troll allert |
| 20:41.29 | typewriter | deus: lol why do you even acknowledge his presence |
| 20:41.29 | deus | alert* |
| 20:41.44 | deus | typewriter: who? |
| 20:41.52 | hever | tsv: sorry I cant my irc client doesnt supoort sending more than one line |
| 20:41.54 | deus | typewriter: who are you talking aboyt? |
| 20:41.56 | deus | about* |
| 20:41.58 | mcl_ | someone who managed to make a apacheserver with no-ip |
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| 20:42.16 | tsv | hever, oh :) |
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| 20:42.33 | tsv | hever, wait i give u my sources.list |
| 20:42.36 | hever | tsv: but what want you look ? |
| 20:42.45 | tsv | but... |
| 20:42.49 | hever | tsv: nono |
| 20:43.10 | hever | tsv: thanks I want only use my own |
| 20:43.11 | tsv | i am running testing unstable |
| 20:43.26 | Ae|-_GoD | well, I want to add a font into /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc, I tried with fc-cache -v after extracting the fonts into this path, I did mkfontdir and mkfontscale but only in xmms, I can selece these fonts, any ideas? |
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| 20:43.42 | tsv | Ae|-_GoD, /etc/fonts/local.conf |
| 20:44.01 | takatumi | tsv: you're either running testing or unstable, there ain't no testing unstable. |
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| 20:44.23 | Ae|-_GoD | tsv, there isn't this file |
| 20:44.24 | thingfish | I add fonts to ~/.fonts |
| 20:44.28 | cbr | are nvidia binary drivers for nForce available on debian? |
| 20:44.29 | tsv | takatumi, haha, mixing :) |
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| 20:44.36 | hever | takatumi: cat /etc/debian_version causes testing/unstable |
| 20:44.43 | cahoot | Ae|-_GoD: shouldn't it be fc-cache -fv? |
| 20:44.54 | tsv | takatumi, i have packages from stable/testing and unstable |
| 20:44.57 | Morten | guys, how do i install grub on the windows hdd as well, so i can boot without the linux hdd being present? |
| 20:44.59 | takatumi | tsv: oh, mucking with the preferences eh. |
| 20:45.02 | Ae|-_GoD | thingfish, .cdf fonts |
| 20:45.07 | Ae|-_GoD | .pcf, sorry |
| 20:45.16 | tsv | Ae|-_GoD, wait |
| 20:45.28 | tsv | Ae|-_GoD, i show u my conf |
| 20:45.31 | hever | tsv: from where have you installed locales as you were trying it ? |
| 20:45.31 | mymayer | if i use a shellscript and i want to check, wheater a prozzes is running, how to do that. If i try pgrep "procname" he always giives back 3 x PIDs |
| 20:45.47 | Ae|-_GoD | tsv, okey, I want the font called "clean" |
| 20:45.51 | tsv | hever, from etch |
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| 20:45.55 | Ae|-_GoD | I installed it, in xlsfonts, I can see it |
| 20:45.57 | tsv | hever, testing |
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| 20:46.00 | hever | tsv etch ? |
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| 20:46.28 | mymayer | if i want to save the first PID [pgrep pname] gives out (there are 3) and save it in a var in a bash shell script, how to do that ? |
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| 20:46.48 | blockd | mymayer: man head |
| 20:47.00 | tsv | Ae|-_GoD, http://sadist.anarxi.st/fonts.png |
| 20:47.05 | tsv | Ae|-_GoD, look at vim :) |
| 20:47.21 | mymayer | i can use head for tthat ? |
| 20:47.34 | tsv | and u will see all fonts on all apps |
| 20:47.44 | mymayer | so : pgre pname > head -n1 ? |
| 20:48.17 | dos000 | xelam, have you done sftware raid on a previously non raid box ? |
| 20:48.17 | hever | What is sarge at the moment -- testing ? |
| 20:48.17 | blockd | mymayer: e.g., pgrep foo | head -n 1 |
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| 20:48.18 | dos000 | xelam, i mean upgrade it to raid |
| 20:48.18 | thingfish | hever: sarge is stable. |
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| 20:48.41 | mymayer | ah dammit, alway this confusing > or | |
| 20:48.42 | mymayer | my fault |
| 20:48.44 | bash0 | guys, since i got 2.6.14-1-686.deb there is no /dev/hd[a-z] anymore |
| 20:48.58 | mymayer | thank you blockd |
| 20:49.00 | tsv | bash0, what ? |
| 20:49.04 | blockd | mymayer: the pipe will work here because head reads from stdin if you don't give it a file |
| 20:49.05 | bash0 | ./MAKEDEV doesnt help either... |
| 20:49.07 | Morten | i'm running a dual-boot on my desktop computer, using two harddisk drives. one with windows, and one with linux. i have grub installed as my bootloader. whenever i remove the harddrive with linux on it, which i occasionally need to do, i'm unable to boot windows, since grub can't find stage 1.5. how do i fix this? please help. |
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| 20:49.14 | tsv | bash0, i'm running 2.6.14-1 |
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| 20:49.15 | dos000 | tsv, did you fill the mdadm.conf manually ? |
| 20:49.24 | tsv | dos000, yea |
| 20:49.24 | blockd | mymayer: a lot of utilities are this way - filters |
| 20:49.33 | bash0 | tsv: I installed it and now only my sata-drive works and the rest isnt recognized anymore |
| 20:49.53 | tsv | bash0, udev ? |
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| 20:50.09 | tsv | remove hotplug and install udev |
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| 20:50.16 | dos000 | tsv, wait .. did you do raid1 upgrade remotely ? |
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| 20:50.26 | Ae|-_GoD | tsv, yeah so, what I have to do? |
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| 20:50.37 | tsv | dos000, no, just a workstation |
| 20:50.45 | Ae|-_GoD | tsv, creat a local.conf? |
| 20:50.47 | Ae|-_GoD | create* |
| 20:50.55 | tsv | oh |
| 20:50.56 | thingfish | don't think that can be done, Morten, unless all bootloader stuff is on the permanent drive. |
| 20:50.56 | tsv | wait |
| 20:50.57 | bash0 | tsv: got udev installed and hotplug has been removed a while ago |
| 20:50.57 | rend | i am going to get a cheap HP laptop in a couple of weeks... i am concerned about the compatability of the built in wifi... |
| 20:50.58 | mymayer | blockd ok |
| 20:51.06 | bash0 | tsv maybe i need to reinstalla hotplug? x.X |
| 20:51.17 | Morten | thingfish - so what do you recommend? installing grub to a floppy? |
| 20:51.17 | mymayer | i just got to use it more often...learning by doing.. :) |
| 20:51.19 | dos000 | anyone did a software raid1 upgrade un a machine .. whithout resorting to a reinstall here ? |
| 20:51.27 | bash0 | funny thing is i got the modules installed... just the devices are not there anymore |
| 20:51.27 | thingfish | Morten: that's an idea. |
| 20:51.32 | rend | are many laptop wifi cards supported? |
| 20:51.39 | Morten | thingfish - i don't know how. do you? |
| 20:52.04 | Ae|-_GoD | tsv, /var/lib/fontconfig/local.conf (the only, local.conf I can see) |
| 20:52.21 | takatumi | atheros and prism chipsets based cards generally work well without ndiswrapper. |
| 20:52.23 | Coweater | rend: check linux-laptop.net for the model you'll be buying |
| 20:52.31 | Fjams | hello, Q: in my /etc/exports i have this: "/home/emil emil(rw,sync)" without the " when i try to mount it on my mac it becomes ro, any ideas? (emil is the host of the mac) |
| 20:52.31 | xelam | dos000: yes... |
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| 20:53.10 | Morten | that's what you get for being swedish, fjams |
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| 20:53.35 | linux_manju | Hi all |
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| 20:53.47 | xelam | Fjams: does email have the same uid? |
| 20:53.49 | xelam | erm |
| 20:53.50 | xelam | emil |
| 20:54.01 | xelam | are you using the same uid on both boxes |
| 20:54.07 | Fjams | yes |
| 20:54.08 | thingfish | Morten: no, sure don't, I mean I know how to run grub-install, but I've no practice installing it onto a floppy. |
| 20:54.10 | xelam | and are the mount directory's permissions correct |
| 20:54.20 | thingfish | I imagine it would be grub-install /dev/fd0 |
| 20:54.40 | thingfish | but that is just guessing. |
| 20:54.59 | dos000 | xelam, in the mdadm.conf it wants 2 hdd. but i only want to do a raid with missing hdd so i do not loose what is on the old hdd |
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| 20:55.13 | Fjams | i mount it with the options: -b -s -P -L |
| 20:55.14 | randey | when I start jack with "jack -d alsa" it says the play back device hw:0 is already in use. how to find which app is useing hw:0 ? |
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| 20:55.31 | dos000 | xelam, i just changed the partition type to fd as well |
| 20:55.32 | hever | I installed libc6 which provides the virtual package glibc-2.3.2.ds1-22 but it tolds me i have no glibc-2.3.2.ds1-22 installed on my pc. Must I change my sources.list for installing virtual packages or what must i do for acccepting virtual packages ? |
| 20:55.32 | xelam | dos000: you want a RAID with *one* disk in it? |
| 20:55.41 | iturk | hello there |
| 20:55.43 | dos000 | xelam, in the beginning .. i will add the other drive later |
| 20:55.53 | xelam | what level raid? |
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| 20:55.58 | cahoot | randey: fuser -v /dev/snd/* |
| 20:56.05 | iturk | anyone knows a good dc++ client program for debian ? |
| 20:56.31 | dos000 | xelam, this is a remote install .. for a raid1. i want to move first on the 2nd hdd with raid. then add the 1fst hdd |
| 20:57.01 | xelam | i don't know if that's possible |
| 20:57.06 | xelam | hmm |
| 20:57.11 | xelam | raid 1 mirror |
| 20:57.11 | dos000 | i am trying to follow http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/238 |
| 20:57.14 | Ae|-_GoD | tsv, so? :) |
| 20:57.22 | xelam | maybe, but i have no idea how |
| 20:57.39 | Fjams | xelam, ls -l gives this lrwxr-xr-x 1 root emil so i don't have write access to it, can i just chmod it? |
| 20:57.39 | xelam | when i've done it i moved the data elsewhere first |
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| 20:57.58 | xelam | Fjams: that's a symlink |
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| 20:58.06 | xelam | look at the permissions of the target |
| 20:58.14 | bkwiecien | what tool would you recomend to monitor bandwidth usage on a process-by-process level? |
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| 20:59.23 | dos000 | xelam, for some reason they dont mention mdadm.conf |
| 20:59.35 | cahoot | Ae|-_GoD: try this: dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig - you already put thefonts in a dir that fontconfig searches - no? |
| 20:59.36 | takatumi | bkwiecien: iptraf, nload, jnettop etc. |
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| 21:00.05 | bkwiecien | takatumi: I'll check it |
| 21:00.08 | Ae|-_GoD | cahoot, let me see |
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| 21:00.28 | FuzzplugJones | quick question: Why is pine not in the stable repository? is it a licensing thing? |
| 21:00.34 | cahoot | Ae|-_GoD: and also - isn't this a fixed font - don't disable those |
| 21:00.35 | Fjams | xelam, the taget says this: drwxr-xr-x 22 1000 1000 4096 Nov 6 21:43 |
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| 21:00.55 | theD3viL | hi |
| 21:00.56 | Gathond | FuzzplugJones: its not free in the debian sence yes |
| 21:00.57 | electron | how can I redirect my ip on ALL ports to another ip / website? |
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| 21:01.14 | Ae|-_GoD | cahoot, it seems that fontconfig doesn't search in this path, how can I set it? |
| 21:01.16 | bash0 | can i actually use debian sid with linux-image-2.6.14-1-686 without udev-package? |
| 21:01.26 | xelam | Fjams: in that case the UIDs don't match up |
| 21:01.50 | Fjams | yeah 1000 doesn't look right at all |
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| 21:01.55 | theD3viL | wtf, just happend... > The Application "gnome-panel" has quit unexpectedly. And wont start... |
| 21:02.06 | FuzzplugJones | Gathond, okay, understandable... is a decent debian package available anywhere? |
| 21:02.35 | FuzzplugJones | like, from a third party |
| 21:02.36 | Ae|-_GoD | cahoot, r u here? :) |
| 21:02.37 | theD3viL | and btw...have sarge |
| 21:02.43 | linux_manju | i have a NFS server (Linux) when i try to mount the partition as root from other pc it mounts happily but as other user it says permisiion denied .. any idea how i can fix it ? |
| 21:02.51 | Gathond | FuzzplugJones: might be one in non-free, if there is not I dont know, dont use pine |
| 21:02.57 | cahoot | Ae|-_GoD: where did you put them? |
| 21:03.06 | iturk | any one know any dc client for linux ? |
| 21:03.06 | FuzzplugJones | ok thanks |
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| 21:03.31 | linux_manju | iturk dc ?? |
| 21:03.33 | Ronin | iturk: im sure google could tell you |
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| 21:03.40 | Ae|-_GoD | cahoot, /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc |
| 21:03.43 | Ronin | linux_manju: direct connect, warez app |
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| 21:03.58 | Wyzard | P2P app |
| 21:04.00 | Wyzard | warez is a usage |
| 21:04.05 | linux_manju | Ronin ahhhhhhhhhh man |
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| 21:04.25 | cahoot | Ae|-_GoD: sure looks there on my system |
| 21:04.28 | hever | I installed libc6 which provides the virtual package glibc-2.3.2.ds1-22 but it tolds me i have no glibc-2.3.2.ds1-22 installed on my pc. Must I change my sources.list for installing virtual packages or what must i do for acccepting virtual packages ? |
| 21:04.29 | Ronin | Wyzard: ya like folks use it for non warez purposes, |
| 21:04.37 | Ae|-_GoD | cahoot, u have clean fonts? |
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| 21:04.39 | iturk | Ronin : i am using one but i cannot download anything because it ask for dc++ version 0.674 and in that cause what should i do ?? |
| 21:04.43 | chr | hello |
| 21:04.46 | Ae|-_GoD | clean is the name, like "arial" |
| 21:04.53 | Wyzard | I don't use it at all, so I wouldn't know, but P2P in general is not specifically for warez |
| 21:04.57 | chr | I have got a really big problem |
| 21:05.05 | iturk | Ronin: i have already also check google |
| 21:05.05 | cahoot | Ae|-_GoD: no |
| 21:05.09 | chr | my apt-get doesn't work |
| 21:05.13 | chr | anymore |
| 21:05.24 | Ae|-_GoD | cahoot, anyhow, only in xmms I can selece these fonts |
| 21:05.27 | linux_manju | hever did u make sure that the symbolic links are intact in /lib ? |
| 21:05.29 | Wyzard | !tell chr about doesn't work |
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| 21:06.00 | hever | linux_manju: no i did nothing with symlinks for this problem... what must I do? |
| 21:06.12 | chr | it says that theudev is ou of date |
| 21:06.14 | linux_manju | hever what does ls -l /lib/glib* say ? |
| 21:06.16 | chr | of date |
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| 21:06.22 | Andy837 | how can i view current processes in debian? |
| 21:06.22 | cahoot | Ae|-_GoD: and they show up in xlsfonts (didn't you say so?) |
| 21:06.30 | chr | Dpend: udev (>= 0.063) mais 0.056-2 devra tre install |
| 21:06.45 | hever | linux_manju: ls: /lib/glib*: No such file or directory |
| 21:06.47 | Ae|-_GoD | cahoot, yeap, I openned a root terminal and the font exists, in gnome-terminal, there isn't this font, damn |
| 21:06.48 | Ae|-_GoD | whtf |
| 21:06.49 | chr | and I tried to do and apt-get -f install |
| 21:06.51 | Ae|-_GoD | wtf |
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| 21:07.01 | Wyzard | chr: apt-get doesn't depend on udev... what package are you talking about? |
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| 21:07.10 | RichiH | does anyone know what voltage thailand uses? |
| 21:07.20 | RichiH | 110? 220? 230? 17892? |
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| 21:07.27 | linux_manju | i have a NFS server (Linux) when i try to mount the partition as root from other pc it mounts happily but as other user it says permisiion denied .. any idea how i can fix it ? |
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| 21:07.31 | chr | what pakage ?I am trying to install apache |
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| 21:07.51 | blockd | linux_manju: yes, but are you sure you want it fixed? ;-) |
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| 21:07.54 | chr | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 21:08.06 | teclo | Know some hardware RAID IDE controller that works well in Linux ? |
| 21:08.09 | Wyzard | chr: apache doesn't depend on udev either, and anything which depends on a udev newer than 0.056-3 is not part of the stable release |
| 21:08.09 | blockd | linux_manju: by default it maps root -> nobody |
| 21:08.20 | Wyzard | chr: It sounds like you're trying to install some unstable or unofficial package |
| 21:08.21 | chr | Des erreurs ont t rencontres pendant l'excution: |
| 21:08.21 | chr | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.34 | blockd | linux_manju: if it didn't, then anybody with root on the remote system could be root on your NFS server |
| 21:08.36 | linux_manju | blockd now how abt other user.. how i can permit them ? |
| 21:08.53 | blockd | linux_manju: just make sure their uid's are the same on both systems |
| 21:08.54 | streuner | RichiH: http://www.marcopolo.de/reiseziele/304688.htm |
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| 21:09.21 | gino | chr dpkg-reconfigure your package |
| 21:09.26 | chr | I don't think that it"s an unofficial pakage because I looked on linux sites |
| 21:09.28 | silverton | what is a good ftp server? |
| 21:09.45 | Ronin | silverton: the one you prefer |
| 21:09.48 | Ae|-_GoD | hm, cahoot ok the font is everywhere, except from gnome-terminal :-) |
| 21:09.51 | linux_manju | blockd lets say xxx in this system is 501 and yyy on the other system should be 501 |
| 21:09.51 | Ae|-_GoD | sod, gnome-terminal sux? |
| 21:09.58 | Wyzard | chr: First of all, what *is* the package that can't be installed due to the udev dependency? |
| 21:09.58 | linux_manju | blockd will that work |
| 21:10.02 | RichiH | streuner: ta |
| 21:10.02 | linux_manju | ? |
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| 21:10.09 | silverton | Ronin, thanks... >.< |
| 21:10.10 | chr | all pakage |
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| 21:10.13 | blockd | silverton: maybe vsftpd or proftpd |
| 21:10.25 | silverton | k, thanks blockd, I'll check 'em out |
| 21:10.29 | streuner | RichiH: you're welcome :-P |
| 21:10.31 | chr | I've got this problem since deux weeks now |
| 21:10.32 | blockd | linux_manju: should work... |
| 21:10.33 | Ronin | silverton: well its a bit of a vague question to begin with |
| 21:10.33 | bash0 | okay removing udev helped |
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| 21:10.51 | silverton | Ronin, yeah, I was kinda goin for which is the easiest to configure |
| 21:10.54 | bash0 | udev's so buggy in sid :-P |
| 21:11.00 | linux_manju | blockd thnx aton.. will i be compromising my security if i do that ? |
| 21:11.05 | Wyzard | chr: You should go to #flood and paste exactly the message you get when you try to install something |
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| 21:11.19 | blockd | linux_manju: possibly... NFS by itself isn't the most secure thing around |
| 21:11.19 | Wyzard | chr: Also, your English isn't bad, but you might be more comfortable talking in #debian-fr |
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| 21:11.24 | takatumi | bash0: file a bug, I didn't see any proper ones filed. |
| 21:11.25 | dclemen | hi, I need help with a strange problem that don't allow me to mount any of my dvd devices |
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| 21:11.37 | blockd | linux_manju: depends what you're doing and how you're doing it |
| 21:11.41 | dclemen | I can heard music but can not mount it |
| 21:11.44 | chr | I did an apt-get upgrade and since then it tells me that |
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| 21:11.58 | gvag11 | hi all |
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| 21:12.06 | linux_manju | blockd any suggestions ? |
| 21:12.11 | apokryphos | how can you alter the depends of a particular .deb? |
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| 21:12.30 | blockd | linux_manju: learn more about NFS and its security pitfalls :-) |
| 21:12.34 | apokryphos | I can easily get the control file, or just extract the whole .deb; but how should you put it back? |
| 21:12.35 | Wyzard | chr: It tells you that because you have some package half-installed which depends on the newer udev |
| 21:12.46 | streuner | RichiH: heh, 31 C. actually - have fun there :-) |
| 21:12.48 | dclemen | here are some useful info http://pastebin.com/419386 |
| 21:12.54 | gvag11 | i am having problem with Debian 3.1 and ITE8211 IDE controller. Can somebody help. :-) |
| 21:12.54 | linux_manju | blockd fine.. thnx again |
| 21:12.57 | blockd | linux_manju: I don't really want to give quick advice that you might just shoot you in the foot with |
| 21:13.04 | blockd | *yourself |
| 21:13.07 | chr | okay and how can I update my udev |
| 21:13.08 | chr | ? |
| 21:13.14 | Wyzard | chr: some package from testing or unstable, probably, because no package from stable would depend on that version of udev |
| 21:13.26 | linux_manju | blockd lol... thnx will google it |
| 21:13.31 | Mjelva | question: i have an hdd enclosure, and i managed to mount a hdd just now. however, the hdd i need to mount, i'm unable to. i try to list the partition table, but 'fdisk /dev/sda' returns "unable to read". why is one harddrive work fine while the other gives me grief? |
| 21:13.34 | blockd | linux_manju: some people will do NFS over a VPN for example |
| 21:13.44 | Wyzard | chr: The problem isn't udev; the problem is that you've tried to install something else that wasn't meant to work with this version of Debian |
| 21:13.44 | blockd | linux_manju: something like OpenVPN... |
| 21:13.53 | Mitsui_Sam | Hi! What should I do to compile kernel 2.4.19 um a motherboard intel D865PERL?? |
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| 21:14.06 | RichiH | streuner: we are planning for february |
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| 21:14.14 | Wyzard | chr: Unless you actually want to upgrade your system to testing or unstable (which you shouldn't do unless you know what you're doing), you need to remove that package |
| 21:14.18 | chr | how yes i undersstand |
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| 21:14.34 | RichiH | streuner: i already got myself an old p1 133 mmx laptop with win 98 that will serve as picture safe :p |
| 21:14.52 | linux_manju | blockd VPN .. any links .. souds intresting |
| 21:14.52 | chr | so I gonna search the programms who give me that problem |
| 21:14.53 | RichiH | but i will install debian instead of bothering with usb under win 98, perhaps |
| 21:14.58 | chr | do you have any clues |
| 21:14.59 | chr | ? |
| 21:15.13 | blockd | linux_manju: I believe there's a debian package, but OpenVPN googleable (openvpn.net or something I think) |
| 21:15.20 | blockd | +is googleable |
| 21:15.21 | Wyzard | chr: Go to #flood and paste the entire message you get when you try to install something |
| 21:15.30 | gvag11 | does anybody knows how can i install Debian 3.1 to a Asus p5ld2 mobo. I have problems with the ITE8211 IDE controller and Debian cannot mount the cdrom.... |
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| 21:15.53 | streuner | RichiH: Who else? :-/ |
| 21:15.53 | linux_manju | blockd thnx will check that out |
| 21:15.56 | Wyzard | chr: /join #flood |
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| 21:16.12 | FuzzplugJones | is there an entry in apt for SpamAssassin's Rules Du Jour? I hate to install anything manually when I've got a great pkg manager like this |
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| 21:16.21 | Mjelva | question: i have an hdd enclosure, and i managed to mount a hdd just now. however, the hdd i need to mount, i'm unable to. i try to list the partition table, but 'fdisk /dev/sda' returns "unable to read". why is one harddrive work fine while the other gives me grief? |
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| 21:16.43 | gvag11 | does anybody knows how can i install Debian 3.1 to a Asus p5ld2 mobo. I have problems with the ITE8211 IDE controller and Debian cannot mount the cdrom.... |
| 21:17.05 | linux_manju | blockd can i tunnel it through ssh ..? |
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| 21:17.25 | Wyzard | gvag11: I've never used that motherboard, but if it's a SATA controller, a Google search for something like "debian sarge sata" might be helpful |
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| 21:17.53 | blockd | linux_manju: the security problems aren't so much for the client as the server itself |
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| 21:18.16 | yoo | Hi !! |
| 21:18.17 | chr | okay |
| 21:18.18 | linux_manju | blockd oh... |
| 21:18.19 | streuner | RichiH: besides, why dealing with USB? gphoto --get-files 1-100 would do it too... |
| 21:18.20 | mymayer | which firewall is to choose best, iptables + manuell config ? |
| 21:18.22 | chr | okay it's done |
| 21:18.38 | linux_manju | mymayer iptables |
| 21:18.39 | blockd | linux_manju: e.g., take a laptop and create a user with the same uid as your victim. Plug it into the network where the server's exporting to and voila. You can access the victim's files. |
| 21:19.09 | blockd | linux_manju: if it's for something at home you probably have less to worry about though |
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| 21:19.21 | gvag11 | Wyzard: This mobo has an Intel SATA controller and this ITE8211 IDE controller. Its getting crazy, i can make the cdrom to work and then Debian says to HDD, or i can have HDD but no CDrom. Fedora works???? |
| 21:19.39 | blockd | linux_manju: just don't export to the Internet or anything :-) |
| 21:19.50 | mymayer | linux_manju as iam not that used and expirienced, are there any "firewall examples" which cut anything off, do a bit doc in the script and maybe let ssh through |
| 21:19.51 | Wyzard | gvag11: I haven't used any SATA stuff myself, but I've heard of problems with SATA CD-ROM drives |
| 21:19.58 | linux_manju | blockd nope its for the comp i work for.. can u suggest some secure alternative for sharing files b/w *nix pcs? |
| 21:20.07 | Wyzard | gvag11: Maybe get an adapter and connect the drive to a PATA port |
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| 21:20.41 | blockd | linux_manju: sharing between different users? If not, maybe just sftp/scp or rsync (which can use scp) |
| 21:20.47 | apokryphos | how can you alter the depends of a particular .deb? |
| 21:20.48 | linux_manju | mymayer google it u will get plenty |
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| 21:21.23 | linux_manju | blockd its sharing based on the different departments |
| 21:21.44 | linux_manju | blockd prefferably mounted once the user logs in.. |
| 21:21.48 | mymayer | linux_manju sure, but can you help me a bit. I just want not to run into a rookie script with coople of holes in it. Would be great |
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| 21:21.51 | apa | anyone using hdup?, the howto is so thin is there any resources anyware or someone who can assist? |
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| 21:22.00 | apa | anyone using hdup?, the howto is so thin is there any resources anyware or someone who can assist? |
| 21:22.13 | linux_manju | blockd i was planning to put it in the skel and the user profile |
| 21:22.18 | blockd | linux_manju: NFS isn't too bad... it's just easy to abuse if you're not careful |
| 21:22.21 | apa | ops |
| 21:22.23 | apa | sorry |
| 21:22.26 | linux_manju | blockd skel=/etc/skel |
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| 21:23.28 | linux_manju | blockd but that doesnt sound promising .. i dont want people from production dept to see marketin dept files |
| 21:23.43 | apa | noone is using a backup app? |
| 21:23.48 | linux_manju | blockd that will definetly put my a** on fire |
| 21:24.05 | tarzeau | !seen penix |
| 21:24.05 | blockd | linux_manju: that's why you restrict access to the VPN NFS is running over... but I can't really give good advice on doing that right now |
| 21:24.06 | dpkg | penix <n=wenas@unaffiliated/penix> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 37d 10h 4m 38s ago, saying: 'http://www.elx.com.au/images/products/full/elsKB-MINIUP.jpg'. |
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| 21:24.47 | linux_manju | blockd fine thnx alot for ur help and time... |
| 21:24.59 | hever | Here is something about my virtual package apt problem but I don't understand the answer: http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2005/05/msg00503.html Can somebody read it an explain it ? |
| 21:25.07 | linux_manju | blockd will google it and see what turns up |
| 21:25.12 | blockd | np, it can also use kerberos for authorization, but I haven't tried that though. |
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| 21:25.31 | blockd | though I'm sure setting up a kerberos server isn't exactly a picnic either |
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| 21:26.52 | joa | anyone know of a command line tool that will fetch attachments from a pop3 server? |
| 21:27.13 | apa | aint anyone using HDUP? |
| 21:27.17 | tarzeau | joa: just get everything and run uudeview over it |
| 21:27.22 | blockd | joa: "fetchmail", and then use something to get the attachment? |
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| 21:27.38 | joa | i need to run something in cron that will save the attachments |
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| 21:27.52 | Bensa_ | Here's a quick question, since you are able to download 14 different binaries through BT, wouldn't it be convinient to list the differences clearly on the site? |
| 21:27.52 | blockd | uudeview maybe... |
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| 21:28.02 | blockd | joa: uudeview can do that |
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| 21:28.12 | blockd | joa: probably lots of other MIME tools as well |
| 21:28.31 | blockd | just combine fetchmail with uudeview in a shell script or something... |
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| 21:30.49 | RichiH | streuner: my gf |
| 21:31.11 | RichiH | streuner: yes, that is why i think i will just install debian and be done with it |
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| 21:31.55 | eguzkia | hello |
| 21:32.08 | eguzkia | where i can find gcc-3.3.4? |
| 21:32.31 | Wyzard | eguzkia: There's a package called "gcc-3.3" |
| 21:32.53 | Wyzard | eguzkia: though it contains either 3.3.5 or 3.3.6, depending on which branch of Debian you're running |
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| 21:34.44 | eguzkia | Wyzard: sarge |
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| 21:35.13 | eguzkia | Wyzard: i try debian for the first time |
| 21:35.13 | Wyzard | eguzkia: Then you can install 3.3.5 with the "gcc-3.3" package |
| 21:35.26 | Wyzard | eguzkia: (or just the "gcc" package, which depends on it, since 3.3 is the default compiler in sarge) |
| 21:35.34 | Wyzard | eguzkia: I strongly doubt you need 3.3.4 specifically |
| 21:35.34 | hever | I installed locale now by downloading it by hand from debian |
| 21:35.46 | agentace | Anyone available to offer some insight to me regarding patching the kernel to include mppe? |
| 21:35.53 | eguzkia | Wyzard: may be |
| 21:36.00 | hever | What locale should I use or generate for german? ISO, UTF or @Euro ? Or all ? |
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| 21:37.19 | eguzkia | Wyzard: but if i try to install gcc_3.3.5-3 i have problem with a depends! |
| 21:37.55 | Wyzard | eguzkia: What's the dependency that's causing a problem? |
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| 21:39.16 | eguzkia | Wyzard: cpp |
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| 21:40.27 | eguzkia | Wyzard: i have installed cpp 3.3.5 and gcc 3.3.5 |
| 21:40.42 | Wyzard | eguzkia: That shouldn't be a problem -- it gets installed automatically |
| 21:40.58 | Wyzard | eguzkia: You're using apt-get or aptitude, right? Not installing .deb files manually with dpkg? |
| 21:41.00 | eguzkia | Wyzard: no |
| 21:41.02 | eguzkia | dpkg |
| 21:41.06 | Wyzard | eguzkia: Why? |
| 21:41.23 | eguzkia | Wyzard: i'm with 2 laptop |
| 21:41.28 | eguzkia | Wyzard: i'm with 2 notebook |
| 21:41.30 | Wyzard | eguzkia: apt-get install gcc |
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| 21:42.03 | Wyzard | eguzkia: You're trying to install on a laptop which doesn't have a network connection? |
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| 21:42.07 | eguzkia | Wyzard: notebook |
| 21:42.11 | eguzkia | Wyzard: sorry |
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| 21:42.50 | Wyzard | eguzkia: apt-get works just fine on laptops and notebooks |
| 21:42.51 | eguzkia | Wyzard: i'm connect with a dial-up to debian.org and with a cross wire i pass the package in the other notebook |
| 21:43.03 | Wyzard | eguzkia: OK, so it doesn't have a useful Internet connection |
| 21:43.13 | eguzkia | Wyzard: yes :) |
| 21:43.31 | eguzkia | Wyzard: and i need gcc to compile kernel |
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| 21:43.46 | Wyzard | You might find the "apt-zip" package useful -- that'll automatically download any dependencies you need, and give you a group of .deb files which you an transfer over |
| 21:43.46 | eguzkia | Wyzard: but i haven't gcc and cpp and ..... |
| 21:44.04 | Wyzard | eguzkia: Out of curiosity, is there a particular reason why you need to custom-compile a kernel? |
| 21:44.23 | eguzkia | Wyzard: sarge have 2.4 kernel and i need 2.6 |
| 21:44.32 | thingfish | :) |
| 21:44.42 | thingfish | sarge has 2.6 also, eguzkia. |
| 21:44.43 | beardy | eguzkia: sarge has 2.6 kernels too |
| 21:44.44 | Wyzard | eguzkia: so install one of the 2.6 kernel-image packages |
| 21:44.55 | joa | how do i tell fetchmail to which directory to download? |
| 21:44.56 | pureone | you can apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.$n |
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| 21:45.28 | eguzkia | Wyzard: what is apt-zip? |
| 21:45.29 | beardy | or just kernel-image-2.6 to depend which depends on the latest |
| 21:45.32 | Wyzard | eguzkia: kernel-image-2.6-386 (or -686, or -k7, etc.) |
| 21:45.39 | beardy | -top depend |
| 21:46.04 | eguzkia | Wyzard: sorry but why i have kernel 2.4? |
| 21:46.16 | Wyzard | eguzkia: sarge installs 2.4 by default, but 2.6 is available |
| 21:46.24 | beardy | eguzkia: If you just press Enter when you install, that's what you get. |
| 21:46.27 | Wyzard | eguzkia: (I'm assuming you're running sarge) |
| 21:46.30 | thingfish | eguzkia: if you want to install with 2.6, do linux26 at the first prompt. |
| 21:46.48 | eguzkia | Wyzard: i haven't linux26 |
| 21:47.11 | maxweber | joa: fetchmail delivers mail to your local mail-deamon. you have to change the config there.. |
| 21:47.12 | Wyzard | eguzkia: "linux26" would be what to type when booting the installation CD, if you were reinstalling |
| 21:47.12 | eguzkia | Wyzard: i only have 2.4 and 2.4(something write here...) |
| 21:47.17 | beardy | eguzkia: When you boot with the installation cd you do. |
| 21:47.22 | Wyzard | eguzkia: For now, just install one of the 2.6 packages |
| 21:47.35 | Wyzard | eguzkia: You are running sarge, right? Not something older, like woody? |
| 21:47.43 | eguzkia | Wyzard: no sarge |
| 21:47.49 | eguzkia | Wyzard: 3 cd |
| 21:48.08 | beardy | eguzkia: 'cat /etc/debian_version', what does that say? |
| 21:48.34 | eguzkia | 3.1 |
| 21:48.56 | Wyzard | eguzkia: sarge has 14 CDs... if you only have 3 of them, your system doesn't know about many of the available packages, which might explain why it doesn't know about any 2.6 packages being available |
| 21:49.04 | Wyzard | eguzkia: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=kernel-image-2.6&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all |
| 21:49.43 | hever | thanks bye |
| 21:49.56 | eguzkia | Wyzard: i only need a package to connect my notebook with a dial-up |
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| 21:50.20 | Wyzard | eguzkia: Are you unable to dial-up with your 2.4 kernel? |
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| 21:51.30 | eguzkia | Wyzard: yes with my old notebook |
| 21:51.40 | eguzkia | Wyzard: with mepis |
| 21:52.13 | eguzkia | Wyzard: ok thank you |
| 21:52.19 | eguzkia | Wyzard: i go to sleep 22:53 in italy |
| 21:52.25 | mboso_ | anyone in here use the gdesklets lm_sensors. |
| 21:52.28 | mboso_ | ? |
| 21:52.38 | mymayer | someone has a good tutorial for running a software raid 1 with mirroring one partition of hda to hdb, lets say hda3 to hdn6 |
| 21:52.42 | mboso_ | where in the hell do you get the Sensor for lm_sensor. |
| 21:52.45 | Wyzard | eguzkia: If you're running Mepis on that laptop then you shouldn't install Debian packages on it, and you should ask in #mepis for help |
| 21:52.57 | mboso_ | i have lmsensor installed, and it works perfectly |
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| 21:53.04 | agentace | Anyone available to offer some insight to me regarding patching the kernel to include mppe? |
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| 21:53.12 | mboso_ | but the gdesklets lm_sensor file didn't come with a Sensor file and i can't find one anyone |
| 21:53.52 | bakr | Is there anyway to play GTA1 (one) in debian? I tryd Wine but it gave me an error... |
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| 21:54.57 | beardy | bakr: That's an offtopic question, and you would have been more lucky if you at least gave us the error message you get. But try ask in #winehq (?) instead. |
| 21:55.28 | bakr | alright then |
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| 22:03.08 | bash0 | i got an apple-usb-keyboard on my pc, is there some app that enables me to change the keycodes so i can make @ and all the other cool signes? |
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| 22:04.15 | mboso | \exit |
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| 22:05.51 | deus_ | sarge is stable now right? |
| 22:06.09 | cheal | !sarge |
| 22:06.09 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 22:06.14 | deus_ | so if i used a CD where the stable was woody, it would automaticly update to sarge? |
| 22:06.34 | bash0 | dues_ you should check the sources.list file |
| 22:06.44 | deus_ | bash0: thats what im doing |
| 22:07.06 | bash0 | iirc there it's woody and not stable what they write but am not 100% sure |
| 22:07.10 | deus_ | bash0: when i used ubuntu i changed to hoary by editing that |
| 22:07.13 | xenoduck | I just did a fresh install of sarge on a new box. I can't for the life of me figure out how it's finding and loading the correct modules for my hardware. For example, b44 is not in /etc/modules, and yet it's loaded on boot for my NIC. The same goes for other hardware. How does it work? |
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| 22:07.31 | Mjelva | !mouse 2.6 |
| 22:07.31 | dpkg | methinks mouse 2.6 is see: http://kerneltrap.org/node/2199 |
| 22:08.19 | sparr | im looking for a document/spreadsheet saved in ms office 97 or earlier that will not open in office 2000 or later. this is not quite off-topic because im using it to convince someone to switch to linux. help? |
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| 22:08.53 | Mjelva | why does /dev/input/mice keep reappearing every time i reboot? |
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| 22:10.14 | bash0 | why does firefox appear in my gnome-menu as root but not as normal user? |
| 22:10.40 | resiak | Mjelva: Why shouldn't it? |
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| 22:10.52 | maxweber | sparr: you should use other arguments, www.openoffice.org has excellent marketing info |
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| 22:11.35 | Mjelva | resiak - because it makes my touchpad move at twice the speed |
| 22:11.36 | Mjelva | as per: |
| 22:11.39 | Mjelva | !mouse 2.6 |
| 22:11.40 | dpkg | [mouse 2.6] see: http://kerneltrap.org/node/2199 |
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| 22:12.02 | resiak | Mjelva: Erm ... so ... take it out of your X configuration, or more to the point use only it? |
| 22:12.15 | Mjelva | resiak - tell me how, and i will <3 |
| 22:12.22 | SimonRaven | Mjelva: xset m XX YY |
| 22:13.28 | Mjelva | i don't get it |
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| 22:14.35 | mymayer | someone has a good tutorial for running a software raid 1 with mirroring one partition of hda to hdb, lets say hda3 to hdb6 |
| 22:14.48 | Mjelva | i do have a slightly more pressing question, tho. i can't seem to mount my windows partition. i try "mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/windows" but it returns the standard error message. "wrong fs type, bad option" etc etc |
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| 22:15.12 | SimonRaven | Mjelva: man xset |
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| 22:15.18 | resiak | Mjelva: Edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or xorg.conf, as appropriate. |
| 22:15.25 | resiak | SimonRaven: Isn't the problme that the X config has two entries? |
| 22:15.29 | SimonRaven | Mjelva: you need to give it a -t fstype |
| 22:15.42 | SimonRaven | dunno, haven't seen it. shouldn't matter |
| 22:15.55 | Mjelva | that is indeed the problem. i think. |
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| 22:16.07 | resiak | It does matter... because the X server processes events for both /dev/psaux and for /dev/input/mice |
| 22:16.18 | Mjelva | should i remove /dev/psaux or /dev/input/mice tho? |
| 22:16.19 | resiak | the solution is of course _only_ to use /dev/input/mice |
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| 22:16.35 | Mjelva | even though this is a laptop w/ touchpad, resiak? |
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| 22:16.53 | starshine | you can have piles and piles of mice. you just have to have one entry as CorePointer and the othe SendCoreEvents |
| 22:16.56 | resiak | Mjelva: I use only /d/i/m on my laptop. Why would it make a difference? |
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| 22:16.59 | SimonRaven | it's doesn't matter. it just means either 'device' (/dev/psaux is just an alias for /dev/input/mice anyway, in 2.6) |
| 22:17.12 | Mjelva | i dunno. i'm just asking |
| 22:17.19 | SimonRaven | is used, and potentially 2 mice can be used |
| 22:17.30 | Mjelva | so just delete the whole /dev/psaux entry from xorg.conf? |
| 22:17.53 | starshine | most common would be a "real mouse" and a gyro pointer or a graphics tablet |
| 22:17.54 | resiak | !drxx |
| 22:17.54 | dpkg | i heard drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the X config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 22:18.01 | resiak | ^^ and choose /dev/input/mice |
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| 22:19.50 | Mjelva | resiak - thanks. do you know how to sort out that bit of bother regarding mounting the ntfs partition? |
| 22:20.01 | resiak | -t ntfs |
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| 22:20.08 | Mjelva | resiak - no game |
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| 22:20.13 | resiak | erm, yes |
| 22:20.29 | resiak | !tell Mjelva -about mount ntfs |
| 22:20.38 | Mjelva | i do "mount -t ntfs /dev/hda2 /mnt/windows" |
| 22:20.40 | Mjelva | no game |
| 22:20.57 | resiak | is /dev/hda2 the right partition? Is it _actually_ ntfs? |
| 22:21.03 | Mjelva | yes |
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| 22:21.23 | Mjelva | it's currently unbootable, but i've mounted it before. after it became unbootable |
| 22:21.30 | resiak | I see. |
| 22:21.54 | resiak | Are you _sure_ it's not a vfat partition? |
| 22:21.57 | SimonRaven | bah, who needs it anyway ;) |
| 22:22.14 | Mjelva | quite sure. i set it up myself, and i've also verified it with "fdisk -l /dev/hda" |
| 22:22.32 | resiak | You do know that what fdisk reports is 100% irrelevant, don't you? |
| 22:22.40 | Wyzard | Mjelva: The type code in the partition table (which fdisk shows you) isn't actually related to the contents of the partition |
| 22:22.42 | Mjelva | no. i didn't know that |
| 22:22.46 | resiak | Now you do :) |
| 22:22.52 | Mjelva | now i do. keke |
| 22:22.59 | Wyzard | Mjelva: You *could* make a partition flagged as NTFS and use it as Linux swapspace, if you wanted to |
| 22:23.06 | Mjelva | meaning? |
| 22:23.21 | Wyzard | Mjelva: You could have a partition flagged NTFS which actually contains vfat |
| 22:23.30 | Mjelva | o rite |
| 22:23.35 | Mjelva | so how do i know fo sho? |
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| 22:24.15 | resiak | You either know because you set it up, or you apply gpart _after_ reading the manpage. |
| 22:24.35 | Wyzard | Mjelva: file -s /dev/hda2 |
| 22:24.48 | Wyzard | Mjelva: Paste the output of that (it should be just one line) |
| 22:24.49 | gravity | tarzeau: I'm glad that worked out for you |
| 22:24.56 | resiak | ! Thanks, Wyzard. Didn't notice -s before. |
| 22:25.06 | gravity | I have way too much experience with fixing patches these days :-) |
| 22:25.08 | Mjelva | Wyzard - how do i paste from the xterm? |
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| 22:25.47 | blockd | Mjelva: try clicking the third mouse button (or both buttons at the same time if simulating a 3rd button) |
| 22:25.51 | Wyzard | Highlight with mouse, middle-click (or (left+right)-click if you don't have a middle button) in the IRC window |
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| 22:26.05 | Mjelva | that works inside the xterm, but not when copying from the xterm to xirc |
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| 22:26.17 | Wyzard | It should |
| 22:26.21 | Mjelva | that was to blockd |
| 22:26.24 | Mjelva | i'll try what you said |
| 22:26.26 | Wyzard | ah |
| 22:26.51 | blockd | Mjelva: I think he said the same thing... |
| 22:26.55 | Mjelva | /dev/hda2: x86 boot sector, code offset 0x52, OEM-ID "NTFS ", sectors/cluster 8, reserved sectors 0, Media descriptor 0xf8, heads 255, hidden sectors 4723110, dos < 4.0 BootSector (0x80) |
| 22:27.09 | Mjelva | oh. maybe you did. :( |
| 22:27.09 | Wyzard | OK, it's NTFS |
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| 22:27.24 | tictac | aha. cause of cdebconf |
| 22:27.26 | Mjelva | so then what do i do? |
| 22:27.50 | Wyzard | You said it's become unbootable... do you know *why* it's unbootable? |
| 22:27.56 | blockd | get desperate? Try copying from the xterm, then ctrl+V or ctrl+shift+insert or something... |
| 22:28.03 | blockd | Mjelva: ^ |
| 22:28.03 | Wyzard | If it's because of filesystem corruption, that could make it unmountable too... |
| 22:28.19 | Mjelva | i tried to split it using partitionmagic. but it crapped out, since it was completely full. and then it was unbootable. |
| 22:28.28 | Wyzard | Yeah, that sounds like a damaged filesystem |
| 22:28.32 | Mjelva | but it's ok. i'm not using windows on this box anyway. i just want my stash off it. |
| 22:28.48 | Wyzard | Time to invest in data-recovery software then |
| 22:28.59 | Mjelva | invest? |
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| 22:29.01 | Mjelva | or apt-get? |
| 22:29.10 | Wyzard | Partition Magic does things to filesystems which the filesystems which weren't designed for doing |
| 22:29.32 | Wyzard | like splitting a filesystem into two... that's a very complex operation and mistakes could easily lead to unrecoverable damage |
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| 22:29.36 | Wyzard | It sounds like that's what's happened to you |
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| 22:29.39 | tictac | hmm. installing debconf (generated from dpkg-checkbuilddeps from debian-installer/installer/) causes cdebconf to be removed. :| |
| 22:29.40 | mymayer | how to check wheate raid is loaded as module or kernel wise ? |
| 22:29.43 | trashedpt | speaking of partitions, I just trashed some data on my partition with gparted... the partition with my data on it is now swap!! |
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| 22:29.57 | Wyzard | I'm not aware of any NTFS-forensics software in Debian though |
| 22:29.59 | trashedpt | how would I change it to ext2 or 3 without trashing the data? |
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| 22:30.17 | Wyzard | trashedpt: If all you did is change the partition's type code, that's harmless; just change it back |
| 22:30.19 | Mjelva | Wyzard- so how come i could mount it the other day? i'm confuzzled :( |
| 22:30.35 | Wyzard | trashedpt: If you actually ran mkswap on it, then you have a problem |
| 22:30.38 | jair_11 | Ungy, hello how are you? |
| 22:30.44 | mymayer | trashedpt i tryied this yesterday ... today i got to reinstall debain as everything was "trash" |
| 22:30.49 | mymayer | DO NOT TRY THIS! |
| 22:30.51 | resiak | !debain |
| 22:30.52 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 22:30.57 | blockd | Mjelva: have you tried seeing if Windows thinks it's damanged (not sure of an NTFS-fsck out there) |
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| 22:31.09 | blockd | *damaged |
| 22:31.15 | JosephSpiros | Hmm, with python2.4 being available, I am curious as to why it isn't the default (that is, depended on by the python package) |
| 22:31.23 | Mjelva | blockd- well, it won't boot off it. so obviously it's a bit cranky. |
| 22:31.25 | jair_11 | Ungy, I am trying to figure out how to set up an automated backup with dirvish but I woild like to learn it using cron, rsync and a bash script. |
| 22:31.27 | Wyzard | Mjelva: Corrupted filesystems are pretty much anything-goes... even attempting to boot Windows could've damaged it further |
| 22:31.32 | resiak | !info ntfsrepair |
| 22:31.35 | blockd | Mjelva: I see |
| 22:31.40 | mymayer | if you try to convert a NTFS partion it maybe will work half, but it will destroy your linux partition. dont ask me why.. |
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| 22:31.54 | Mjelva | but i mounted it yesterday or something, and i watched movie off it. but when i tried mounting it again today, so i could move whatever i want to keep and reformat it, it was a no-go |
| 22:32.05 | mymayer | i had this live on my system yesterday, converting with partitionMagic7 |
| 22:32.11 | trashedpt | well, I am not sure what gparted did... parted doesnt seem to have the option... maybe fdisk? |
| 22:32.32 | mymayer | nothing free has this trashedpt |
| 22:32.44 | mymayer | even the non-free tools are failing |
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| 22:32.54 | mymayer | data is lost, partition tables are just trshed |
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| 22:33.21 | lur | hey |
| 22:33.27 | JosephSpiros | LVM is nice |
| 22:33.27 | mymayer | copy the data to anatoher partion or brun it down, then delete the partition and create a new one |
| 22:33.39 | lur | how do I extract .rar files in debian? |
| 22:33.44 | JosephSpiros | lur: unrar is in non-free |
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| 22:33.57 | lur | what is this non-free? |
| 22:34.01 | mymayer | blockd : can you tell me how i check wheater raid is compiled kernel wise (debian sarge stable) or modul wise ? |
| 22:34.01 | trashedpt | good thing it was just movies... |
| 22:34.02 | Hermann | I tried installing debian on raid-1 by using the technique of making a normal install, move it to raid and then convert previous install disk to a part of the raid. however, when I try to add second partition to the md-device acting as / (root), it's always missing again after reboot. any ideas? |
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| 22:34.31 | mymayer | trashedpt: safe time and do the manual way |
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| 22:34.37 | mymayer | you wil just be disapointed |
| 22:34.40 | loca|host | hello |
| 22:34.42 | trashedpt | mymayer, yes I should have used parted |
| 22:34.46 | Mjelva | how safe is it to use wget for downloads? |
| 22:34.47 | loca|host | somebody's using cheops ? |
| 22:34.48 | trashedpt | not gparted or qtparted |
| 22:34.49 | Mjelva | is it sound? |
| 22:34.50 | Wyzard | mymayer: Check whether /proc/mdstat exists... if it doesn't, then RAID support is not currently in the kernel (so it's either in a module that's not loaded, or omitted entirely) |
| 22:34.53 | mymayer | i even got to reinstall debian, it just shoot trough anything |
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| 22:35.24 | JosephSpiros | lur: /msg dpkg non-free |
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| 22:35.31 | Wyzard | mymayer: If /proc/mdstat does exist, run lsmod and see if "md" is loaded... if not, then the RAID support is compiled in |
| 22:35.32 | spark_ | hey guys - I have a little problem, just ran an unstable upgrade; and now I'm getting xsession error: unable to write to /tmp (when starting X) |
| 22:35.36 | spark_ | any ideas? |
| 22:35.37 | mymayer | Wyzard but when the modul is loaded, as i installed raidtools2 through apt ( maybe it actived the module) . Or is this file just there if its in the kernel ? |
| 22:35.44 | Wyzard | spark_: full filesystem? |
| 22:35.55 | spark_ | Wyzard: hm, not sure what you mean? |
| 22:35.56 | trashedpt | spark, you can try a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 22:36.03 | gravity | trashedpt: That's the wrong solution |
| 22:36.04 | Wyzard | mymayer: The file exists if RAID support is in the kernel, either compiled in or as a loaded module |
| 22:36.10 | gravity | It's probably a full file syste |
| 22:36.16 | trashedpt | maybe chmod +w /tmp |
| 22:36.17 | spark_ | yeaaaah |
| 22:36.21 | spark_ | you're right! my hero :P |
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| 22:36.22 | Wyzard | mymayer: If /proc/mdstat exists, but no mdule named "md" is loaded, it's compiled in |
| 22:36.23 | lur | uhm...so how do I unrar the file? |
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| 22:36.41 | spark_ | damn, I've been running debian for about 10 years now - but hadn't thought of that possibility |
| 22:36.57 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 22:37.10 | JosephSpiros | lur: you install unrar? |
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| 22:37.19 | lur | where do I get it? |
| 22:37.22 | lur | apt-get? |
| 22:37.23 | mymayer | Wyzard ok thank you. Can you help me a bit with the configuration. I got a tutorial here, but any tut. is for mirroring (raid1) full HDDs, but i need only a partion mirroring form hde4 to hdeg5 |
| 22:37.23 | Wyzard | I remember the first time I told one of my friends about "apt-get clean"... freed up several hundred megabytes of disk space for him |
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| 22:38.00 | mymayer | Wyzard is that cleaen option cleaing the doenled rpms out ? |
| 22:38.05 | resiak | !unrar |
| 22:38.05 | dpkg | from memory, unrar is a non-free package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about unrar-free |
| 22:38.06 | Wyzard | mymayer: It's no different when used on partitions... just follow the tutorial and use those partitions where the tutorial uses the whole-disk devices |
| 22:38.16 | Wyzard | mymayer: RPMs? |
| 22:38.24 | mymayer | Wyzard iam from Suse :) |
| 22:38.25 | Wyzard | mymayer: .deb files, yes. Debian does not use RPMs. |
| 22:38.29 | mymayer | Wyzard SORRY :) |
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| 22:38.31 | Mjelva | Wyzard - you can run "apt-get clean" with no further variables? |
| 22:38.33 | Mjelva | neat |
| 22:38.44 | Mjelva | i have no uninstalled packages lying around, tho :( |
| 22:38.52 | Wyzard | Mjelva: afaik, it's completely equivalent to "rm /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb" |
| 22:39.06 | mymayer | Wyzard yes sure i mean .deb, but i just must get used to debian, as i jused suse before |
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| 22:39.29 | Mjelva | Wyzard - do installed packages get left around, as well? |
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| 22:40.00 | Wyzard | Mjelva: When apt downloads packages it puts them in that directory... whether they're installed or not has nothing to do with it |
| 22:40.06 | mymayer | Wyzard can i post you smth into #food ? |
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| 22:40.13 | mymayer | #flood ? |
| 22:40.13 | Wyzard | Mjelva: (except that when apt downloads a package, it's usually for the purpose of installing it... but you get the idea) |
| 22:40.15 | Wyzard | ok |
| 22:40.17 | teclo | heh |
| 22:40.18 | Mjelva | so i have a bajillion megabytes of installed packages lying around? |
| 22:40.22 | mymayer | dpk paste |
| 22:40.23 | mymayer | !dpk paste |
| 22:40.25 | teclo | can you eat into #food ? |
| 22:40.33 | tictac | well, unless you download source packages... :P |
| 22:40.40 | TheCount | teclo: virtually everytime! |
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| 22:41.03 | Wyzard | mymayer: You should use mdadm, not raidtools |
| 22:41.13 | mymayer | is it not the same ? |
| 22:41.30 | mhall | How do I get OpenOffice to replace a Calc cell containing a formula with the static calculated value? I am aggregating several unneeded columns of census data into single summary columns. |
| 22:41.37 | mymayer | as i isntalled "raidtools2" debian promted up some mdadm configuration ? |
| 22:41.40 | Wyzard | mymayer: not quite... mdadm doesn't need a config file (it reads the RAID info directly from the devices) and it's a bit simpler IMO |
| 22:41.56 | resiak | !tell mymayer -about paste |
| 22:42.00 | mymayer | ok so i remove raidtools ? |
| 22:42.05 | Wyzard | yeah |
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| 22:42.17 | Wyzard | and read the docs on mdadm --create |
| 22:42.26 | enveezee | mhall: = |
| 22:42.29 | Firztspawn | heyas, is there an equivalent to gentoo's --inject option, to make debian think a package is installed to satisfy a dependancy that has been otherwise fulfilled? |
| 22:42.34 | mymayer | where are the docs ? |
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| 22:42.45 | mhall | enveezee: yeah i got the right formula in there and i have the answer |
| 22:42.58 | Wyzard | Firztspawn: The "equivs" package... but as with Gentoo's inject feature, you really shouldn't use it if it's at all possible to avoid it |
| 22:43.01 | enveezee | mhall: *shrug* dont know wtf you are talking about then |
| 22:43.07 | mhall | enveezee: but i want the contents of the cell (the formula) to be replaced permanently with its output |
| 22:43.22 | mhall | enveezee: so when i delete the source columns the values remain intact |
| 22:43.23 | ruied | I want to make a backup automatically, I want to run it in crontab as a "bot-backup" user, what do I need to do? I want to rann root as a user bot-backup, so I can't accidentally clean all my system... |
| 22:43.30 | Firztspawn | ok |
| 22:43.33 | enveezee | mhall: =A1+B1 ... |
| 22:43.43 | enveezee | mhall: returns a number not a formula afaik |
| 22:43.47 | ruied | bad englis, forget, going to reformulate.... |
| 22:44.04 | mhall | enveezee: but when you delete the source stuff the sum becomes less |
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| 22:44.17 | mymayer | Wyzard its ot kernel wise, so how to activate the modul ? |
| 22:44.20 | Wyzard | ruied: Create a system user named "bot-backup" and put the commands in that user's crontab |
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| 22:44.29 | mymayer | Wyzard there is no /proc/md... |
| 22:44.41 | Wyzard | mymayer: "modprobe md", but I'm pretty sure mdadm does it automatically when needed |
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| 22:44.53 | ruied | Wyzard: can't I run it ass root with some kinde of sudo?!? |
| 22:45.04 | mymayer | ok so how to configurate the raid now, raid 0 |
| 22:45.07 | ruied | as... my english is a mess... :) |
| 22:45.08 | mymayer | raid 1 |
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| 22:45.35 | enveezee | mhall: the thing that annoys me is you cannot drag out formulas across several cells and get OO.o to follow a pattern like =A1+B1, =A1+B2, =A1+B3..etc if you want a constant value and not to have to type out each of 1000 formulas |
| 22:45.42 | Bac9 | what was that text list of reasons why certain packages were removed from debian? |
| 22:45.45 | enveezee | it just increments both numbers if you drag it |
| 22:45.50 | Bac9 | I can't recall the url |
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| 22:45.56 | mhall | enveezee: yeah you can |
| 22:45.57 | Wyzard | ruied: You could probably manage something like that in root's crontab, but that's just making things difficult for no good reason |
| 22:46.05 | mhall | enveezee: replace A1 with $A$1 |
| 22:46.16 | enveezee | thats weird |
| 22:46.20 | mhall | enveezee: dollared parts of cell references stay constant |
| 22:46.21 | enveezee | I never would have thought of that |
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| 22:46.34 | enveezee | MS Excel does it without them |
| 22:46.40 | mhall | enveezee: yeah i do a lot with spreadsheets, it's somewhat of an obscure tradition |
| 22:46.42 | Firztspawn | Wyzard: my mate tried that... he says "so i created and installed an empty php4_5.0.2_all.deb and now apt wants to "upgrade" it to the one from the real debian archive: php4_4.3.10-16_all.deb" |
| 22:46.53 | mhall | enveezee: excel needs them too sometimes |
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| 22:47.30 | mhall | The_Vulture: salutations |
| 22:47.38 | mhall | The_Vulture: so when do you start work for Satan |
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| 22:48.02 | ruied | Wyzard: ok, thanks... |
| 22:48.11 | The_Vulture | mhall: Still don't have the actual offer details (so the big questions like "when?" and "how much?" aren't answered). |
| 22:48.11 | Wyzard | Firztspawn: I'm surprised if apt wants to downgrade something, but "apt-cache policy php4" will show you the priorities apt assigns to each available version |
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| 22:48.35 | Wyzard | Firztspawn: btw, there are php5 packages in testing and unstable... if you're using stable, there might be a backport available |
| 22:48.44 | mymayer | ho to create a new ext3 partition on a hardisk ?!! cannot find it in fdisk |
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| 22:48.52 | mhall | The_Vulture: lol |
| 22:49.09 | mhall | The_Vulture: maybe they did it so this way so that if they don't get you ibm wouldn't either |
| 22:49.14 | Firztspawn | Wyzard: ok, will see what he says |
| 22:49.18 | Wyzard | mymayer: fdisk doesn't create filesystems |
| 22:49.21 | Wyzard | mymayer: mke2fs -j |
| 22:49.43 | The_Vulture | mhall: Perhaps. Though I expect the money will be good enough, and the job more interesting anyway. |
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| 22:50.08 | mhall | The_Vulture: it doesn't take too much when you are by yourself |
| 22:50.17 | mymayer | Wyzard : mke2fs -j /dev/hdg1 |
| 22:50.19 | ruied | what is the name of the command to change the /etc/passwd file with the security of integrity of the file? |
| 22:50.19 | mymayer | that wise ? |
| 22:50.22 | mhall | The_Vulture: i got $2000 and i just made $15 usd per hr on internship |
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| 22:50.27 | Wyzard | Firztspawn: Quick rough analogy: Gentoo's "stable" packages are like Debian's "testing", and Gentoo's ~arch packages are like Debian's "unstable" |
| 22:50.27 | mhall | The_Vulture: and i always had enough money |
| 22:50.44 | mhall | The_Vulture: you'd probably get $3000 something minimum |
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| 22:51.15 | Wyzard | ruied: I don't understand your question... are you trying to change the permissions of the file? |
| 22:51.21 | Wyzard | ruied: "chmod" for that |
| 22:51.25 | Barnes | when i go from ntfs to ext3 on a harddrive do i need to format it between the filesystems or is it just to use fdisk to make a new partition and then mount it? |
| 22:51.30 | The_Vulture | mhall: *nods* - enough to live, and setup the nice shiny digital life I've got planned.. ;) (mostly just a big media PC/server) |
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| 22:52.20 | Wyzard | Barnes: If you want to use ext3, you have to create the ext3 filesystem... whether the partition used to contain NTFS is irrelevant |
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| 22:52.34 | ruied | which is the command to edit the /etc/passwd securely (vim like)? |
| 22:52.44 | Wyzard | ruied: ah... vipw |
| 22:52.52 | ruied | widrone-awaythanks |
| 22:53.01 | Barnes | Wyzard ok great then i will be done in a flash |
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| 22:53.26 | Subvertir | What text editor do you guys use when you want the finished product to not look like ass? |
| 22:53.34 | Subvertir | (when printed) |
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| 22:53.47 | mymayer | Wyzard is there ANY other tool the fdisk ? |
| 22:53.51 | Wyzard | Subvertir: When I want nice printed output, I use LaTeX |
| 22:53.58 | Subvertir | Fuck, I saw that coming |
| 22:54.21 | Wyzard | Subvertir: I don't think the choice of editors has much to do with the appearance of the file... plain text is plain text |
| 22:54.30 | Wyzard | mymayer: mke2fs -j |
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| 22:54.34 | Subvertir | .... |
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| 22:54.37 | mhall | The_Vulture: running linux to cancel out the evil? |
| 22:54.39 | Maulkin | Subvertir: If you can't do that... try OpenOffice, and save as a PDF. |
| 22:54.42 | TheCount | .o( or the content, for that matter .. hrhr ) |
| 22:54.51 | Subvertir | .... |
| 22:54.52 | mhall | The_Vulture: you will like fry's electronics |
| 22:54.52 | mymayer | Wyzard i created the Filesystem but now i got a problem |
| 22:54.54 | ruied | to disable a user shell, shall I set the user to /dev/null ? |
| 22:55.07 | mhall | The_Vulture: every week, pages of super cheap deals on gadgets of all sorts |
| 22:55.17 | mymayer | Wyzard hde got followning structure : 1,2,3,4,5,freespace,6,7 |
| 22:55.17 | TheCount | ruied: I prefer /bin/false |
| 22:55.26 | mhall | The_Vulture: and a 20 minute drive from anywhere in the seattle area assuming ok traffic |
| 22:55.28 | mymayer | Wyzard but how to see that in FDISK ? |
| 22:55.52 | ruied | TheCount: what is the difference? |
| 22:55.56 | Wyzard | mymayer: I'm not sure what you mean... fdisk's "-p" command doesn't show you your partitions? |
| 22:55.59 | SimonRaven | ruied: /bin/false, and add to /etc/shells via add-shell |
| 22:56.05 | mymayer | Wyzard : http://channels.debian.net/paste/1048 |
| 22:56.07 | mhall | ruied: any arbitrary deliberate bullshit value should be acceptable |
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| 22:56.18 | Jacobo221 | no k3b in etch? |
| 22:56.22 | mhall | ruied: false is the canonical everyday choice |
| 22:56.31 | Wyzard | mymayer: That's a lot of partitions... |
| 22:56.32 | mymayer | Wyzard thats what fdisk shows me, but iam not used to read that information. Where is my 3,5 GB partition ? |
| 22:56.33 | TheCount | ruied: /bin/false is a valid binary raising an error and exiting |
| 22:56.41 | Wyzard | mymayer: You might find cfdisk more convenient |
| 22:56.44 | mymayer | Wyzard yes a lot, thats a 80GB HDD |
| 22:56.56 | mymayer | my system doesn no cfdisk |
| 22:57.02 | Wyzard | mymayer: apt-get install cfdisk |
| 22:57.10 | The_Vulture | mhall: Running linux on a media server to keep me in touch, and just because I really want to setup a shiny server. Then I'll have a win XP laptop, and _maybe_ a desktop for gaming (I just like the upgradeability of them, though I haven't upgraded mine much in years), maybe.. |
| 22:57.12 | Wyzard | mymayer: and having a big drive doesn't inherently mean you need lots of partitions |
| 22:57.21 | Wyzard | mymayer: Personally, I'd use LVM for all that |
| 22:57.23 | veleno | hello. i'm using gtkpod to load mp3 on my ipod. can I safely plug the player into another linux machine, and launch gtkpod from there without any risk (that is, without loosing files loaded from the other machine) ? |
| 22:57.26 | mymayer | oh yes, thats what iam looking for |
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| 22:58.20 | mhall | The_Vulture: also you should develop a good taste for books and coffee |
| 22:58.34 | ruied | SimonRaven: what do you mean by "/etc/shells via add-shell" |
| 22:58.34 | mhall | The_Vulture: and taking walks |
| 22:58.38 | mymayer | ok now Wyzard i got hde12 | 3,5GB size and a hdg which is a maximum of 4 GB. Do i have to create a execlty even partition on hdg ? |
| 22:58.42 | mhall | The_Vulture: those are canonical seattle activities |
| 22:58.49 | The_Vulture | mhall: Coffee, maybe not. So long as they've got Sprite on tap, I'll be fine. |
| 22:59.02 | mhall | The_Vulture: hot chocolate is good too |
| 22:59.04 | SimonRaven | ruied: add-shell is a nice little debian script to add shells to /etc/shells |
| 22:59.11 | The_Vulture | Books, I need to get a few tech references to add to my collection.. |
| 22:59.13 | The_Vulture | mhall: True |
| 22:59.16 | Wyzard | mymayer: I'm not sure what you mean by "exactly even" |
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| 22:59.31 | SimonRaven | see man page |
| 22:59.39 | mhall | The_Vulture: yeah soda is sure cheap in .us compared to elsewhere |
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| 22:59.49 | mhall | The_Vulture: two liters costs 60-100 cents |
| 22:59.51 | ruied | SimonRaven: ah, ok... so /bin/false is my new shell reported in /etc/shells... |
| 22:59.53 | mymayer | Wyzard : the size, i want to mirror that 3,5 GB hde12 to the other HDD, hdg which is a maximum of 4GB size |
| 22:59.53 | shad0wcat | SimonRaven: or you just edit the file :P |
| 22:59.58 | mhall | The_Vulture: germany was several times this when i went there |
| 23:00.03 | woodland | i installed one package using 'dpkg -i <package>' how do i remove it ? |
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| 23:00.10 | SimonRaven | yes, but it's l33ter to use add-shell ;p |
| 23:00.12 | Jacobo221 | is there no k3b in etch any more? why? |
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| 23:00.27 | shad0wcat | bah |
| 23:00.29 | mymayer | Wyzard : but i first got to crate a partition on hdg, and now is the "size" quiation |
| 23:00.30 | brynjarh | I have both Debian and Ubuntu installed on my computer, on seperated hard drives. I'm wondering if I can run Ubuntu while running Debian? Using some technology like a processor emulator or something (qemu? I really don't know), I just want to know where to look for information. I'll be using both Ubuntu and Debian but sometimes while I'm in Debian I want to be able to run my Ubuntu without having to reboot and shut down my debian processes. |
| 23:00.33 | jeff88 | does anyone know if mozilla-plugin-vlc is compatible with firefox? i got it, and the video works, but the sound is all messed up |
| 23:00.33 | shad0wcat | mv SimonRaven /dev/gentoo |
| 23:00.38 | Bac9 | what was that text list of reasons why certain packages were removed from debian? anyone recall the url? |
| 23:00.40 | Wyzard | mymayer: OK... your RAID mirror will be the size of the *smallest* underlying partition |
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| 23:00.51 | shad0wcat | brynjarh: wtf? |
| 23:00.51 | Wyzard | mymayer: so you want to make the two partitions as close in size as possible |
| 23:00.53 | mymayer | Wyzard Ah |
| 23:00.58 | shad0wcat | ubuntu is based on debian |
| 23:01.03 | mymayer | Wyzard ok |
| 23:01.04 | ruied | another question: how can I run a script from my "bot-backup" user from crontab if he has no shell to set it up ? |
| 23:01.06 | shad0wcat | there's no binary in debian that isn't in ubuntu |
| 23:01.07 | tomiq | (grip:5938): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_hide: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed |
| 23:01.11 | SimonRaven | bah |
| 23:01.11 | magyar | how can i use nmap to scan all ports 0:65535 on a host? |
| 23:01.12 | The_Vulture | mhall: Now _that_ I could live with. Even on special you don't often get Sprite lower than $1 (australian, 0.70 US) a Litre |
| 23:01.15 | SimonRaven | @lart shad0wcat |
| 23:01.16 | Wyzard | mymayer: but they don't have to be exactly the same size... you'll just waste a tiny amount of space on the larger one |
| 23:01.18 | brynjarh | shad0wcat, I want to use both and I want to find the best way to do it. |
| 23:01.23 | shad0wcat | !beat SimonRaven |
| 23:01.31 | shad0wcat | brynjarh: you can't |
| 23:01.32 | shad0wcat | next |
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| 23:01.35 | SimonRaven | @lart shad0wcat |
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| 23:01.39 | Jamsi | magyar: man nmap ? |
| 23:01.40 | shad0wcat | I don't see the point anyway |
| 23:01.42 | jeff88 | does anyone know if mozilla-plugin-vlc is compatible with firefox? i got it, and the video works, but the sound is all messed up |
| 23:01.43 | Subvertir | alright, |
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| 23:01.48 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 23:01.48 | lawn | shad0wcat: why not? |
| 23:01.57 | mymayer | Wyzard : ok i got it now . hde12 got to mirrored on hdg1 as raid1, how to configure it ? |
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| 23:02.08 | Wyzard | brynjarh: Look into User-Mode Linux ("UML"), but be aware that it takes some skill to set up correctly |
| 23:02.08 | shad0wcat | personally I don't see the point of running BOTH ubuntu and debian |
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| 23:02.18 | Jamsi | shad0wcat neither do I |
| 23:02.25 | lawn | shad0wcat: sorry, that wasn't my question, I meant to ask why you thought it wasn't possible |
| 23:02.29 | shad0wcat | they're the same freaking binaries in the end |
| 23:02.32 | tomiq | i have some problem with grip... can anyone help?? |
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| 23:02.38 | shad0wcat | lawn: ok I'll rephrase |
| 23:02.40 | tomiq | (grip:5938): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_hide: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed |
| 23:02.41 | Wyzard | mymayer: cat /proc/mdstat -- does it say it's synchronizing? |
| 23:02.48 | shad0wcat | it's possible if you want to spend two weeks learning the basics |
| 23:02.57 | Wyzard | tomiq: a bug |
| 23:03.00 | shad0wcat | and do a heck of a lot of RTFM |
| 23:03.04 | Wyzard | tomiq: but in my experience, grip sucks anyway |
| 23:03.09 | mhall | shad0wcat: I'm afraid your mv command locked up after getting ENOSYS and just error exited with EDEADLK. |
| 23:03.10 | ruied | a user with no shell, how to set him a crontab task ???? is it possible? (it's a user just to make backups) |
| 23:03.14 | brynjarh | Wyzard, I'll go study that then. ;) Thanks. |
| 23:03.16 | shad0wcat | all that to run two distros which are based off the same repositories to begin with anyway |
| 23:03.19 | mymayer | Wyzard how should the system know, which one to use for raid ?!! do i got to create a specific "fiel system" ? |
| 23:03.25 | SimonRaven | i use cdparanoia directly. a lot better |
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| 23:03.31 | Bac9 | what was that text list of reasons why certain packages were removed from debian? anyone recall the url? I can't seem to find it on google |
| 23:03.41 | SimonRaven | (and usable via ssh ;) |
| 23:03.42 | bbrazil | ruied: crontab -e username as root |
| 23:03.52 | Wyzard | mymayer: When you create the array, you get another device (probably /dev/md0 if you don't have any other arrays) which represents the combination of the two |
| 23:03.56 | shad0wcat | I mean I see the point of running red hat in emulation mode |
| 23:03.58 | SimonRaven | crontab -e -u username |
| 23:04.02 | Wyzard | mymayer: You make a filesystem on /dev/md0 and mount it |
| 23:04.02 | shad0wcat | but another deb distro? |
| 23:04.09 | ruied | bbrazil: thanks! :) obrigado! |
| 23:04.12 | shad0wcat | unless it's based off another repository there's really no point |
| 23:04.15 | ruied | SimonRaven: thanks! |
| 23:04.16 | Jamsi | I have a debian box that hangs on sendmail when starting. How can I kill sendmail from starting up so I can actually get into the system to find the problem?!? |
| 23:04.17 | shad0wcat | unless of course you enjoy using up memory |
| 23:04.24 | shad0wcat | then by all means knock yourself out |
| 23:04.25 | mhall | shad0wcat: testing shit to see if it's broken |
| 23:04.29 | mhall | shad0wcat: h4x0r prevention |
| 23:04.33 | shad0wcat | mhall: that's what a chroot is for |
| 23:04.36 | tomiq | Wyzard: that's the only friendly (and with many options) rippin program i found.. |
| 23:04.46 | mhall | shad0wcat: what if you want a different kernel |
| 23:04.49 | SimonRaven | building clean packages, etc. |
| 23:04.55 | SimonRaven | (the chroot) |
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| 23:05.08 | mhall | shad0wcat: plus chroot is not 100% h4x0r safe |
| 23:05.13 | shad0wcat | mhall: User Mode Linux then |
| 23:05.17 | SimonRaven | or building stuff for sarge, on a sid box, etc. |
| 23:05.27 | Wyzard | Jamsi: One common cause of that is not having the machine's hostname mentioned in /etc/hosts, so sendmail fails to look up its IP address |
| 23:05.33 | shad0wcat | but I doubt you'd go to all that trouble just to be able to run ubuntu IN debian |
| 23:05.35 | SimonRaven | uml is overkill for that kind of thing |
| 23:05.35 | Wyzard | tomiq: I use abcde and my brother uses crip |
| 23:05.36 | shad0wcat | or the other way around |
| 23:05.39 | mhall | shad0wcat: i bet uml and vmware are not all that different |
| 23:05.39 | mymayer | Wyzard : please, a bit slower, sorry . All i have now is : a hde12 and a hdg1. What i want to have is to mirror hde12 on hdg1. How to create a "array" |
| 23:05.47 | shad0wcat | mhall: that's not the point really |
| 23:05.52 | mhall | shad0wcat: and uml is pretty hard to configure |
| 23:05.53 | shad0wcat | the whole CONCEPT in this case is flawed |
| 23:05.58 | shad0wcat | stupid, and a waste of time |
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| 23:06.03 | Wyzard | tomiq: Both are simple command-line tools with lots of options |
| 23:06.07 | Jamsi | Wyzard ah. Is there any key combitnation to kill the process when its trying to resolve? |
| 23:06.24 | Jamsi | combination* |
| 23:06.27 | bbrazil | Jamsi: crtl-c is usually a good bet |
| 23:06.28 | Wyzard | Jamsi: If Ctrl-C doesn't work then probably not, but the solution is to fix your /etc/hosts file |
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| 23:06.56 | Jamsi | Wyzard How can I when I can't get into the system? |
| 23:07.00 | Jamsi | Will try CTRL C |
| 23:07.01 | MickLinux | I used to do Debian, but I've since then switched to Debian/knoppix hdd install, and have forgotten how to download docs (man ) for particular packages. Anyone want to refresh me? |
| 23:07.03 | Bac9 | found it, http://ftp-master.debian.org/removals.txt |
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| 23:07.12 | shad0wcat | mows even |
| 23:07.21 | Wyzard | mymayer: You get a device called /dev/md0... anything written to /dev/md0 gets written to both /dev/hde12 and /dev/hdg1 |
| 23:07.24 | SimonRaven | MickLinux: man pages are installed with the package... |
| 23:07.29 | enveezee | MickLinux: the manpage usually comes with the package |
| 23:07.29 | shad0wcat | MickLinux: you don't install knoppix to the hd |
| 23:07.32 | shad0wcat | it's really STUPID |
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| 23:07.35 | Wyzard | mymayer: You don't mount /dev/hde12 or /dev/hdg1 directly |
| 23:07.40 | Wyzard | mymayer: you mount /dev/md0 |
| 23:07.42 | mymayer | Wyzard : I do NOT have that device now, how to create it ? |
| 23:07.43 | enveezee | MickLinux: additional docs are usually in package-doc |
| 23:07.44 | tomiq | Wyzard: just terminal based progs... need something ... with features you see in one moment... |
| 23:07.54 | MickLinux | shadowcat: you can by using knoppix-installer from the su mode. |
| 23:07.57 | mymayer | Wyzard : How to create that /dev/md0 ? |
| 23:08.07 | shad0wcat | MickLinux: I know you can, but you don't |
| 23:08.07 | Wyzard | mymayer: You have to create the array... man mdadm, and look in the section for the "create" option |
| 23:08.13 | Yawgmoth | MickLinux: I guess, he was just stating his opinion about it ;) |
| 23:08.13 | mymayer | ok |
| 23:08.26 | mymayer | Wyzard iam reading, thank you a lot for all that |
| 23:08.33 | Wyzard | mymayer: You'll have to specify a few options, like the type of RAID you want (RAID-1) and which devices to use |
| 23:08.38 | shad0wcat | knoppix includes a lot of hardware detection and extra configuration options in the kernel that make it REALLY bloated |
| 23:08.41 | MickLinux | simonRaven and enveezee: thanks. I guess that means that there aren't man pages for sword |
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| 23:09.04 | Wyzard | shad0wcat: I don't think Knoppix's detection stuff is part of the kernel... it's just a script that runs during boot |
| 23:09.09 | gravity | True |
| 23:09.16 | MickLinux | shadowcat, I know what you mean, but I don't have time for the stuff I used to. So I did a knoppix hdd install. |
| 23:09.20 | shad0wcat | Wyzard: ya but the kernel itself is also, inefficient |
| 23:09.21 | gravity | I know that its X config script isn't bloat for example |
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| 23:09.29 | gravity | It's actually far simpler and smaller than Debian's |
| 23:09.36 | mymayer | Wyzard : What does that "chunk" size stand for ? like i know it from fat, the size of a block or how to say it ? |
| 23:09.56 | shad0wcat | I just don't like taking stuff out when I didn't put it in |
| 23:10.05 | SimonRaven | MickLinux: see /usr/share/doc/<packagename> |
| 23:10.05 | jab2 | How does one tell sarge to load a module on boot? (run modconf? edit /etc/modules by hand?) |
| 23:10.05 | shad0wcat | it's one hell of a job throwing out packages with apt |
| 23:10.08 | Wyzard | tomiq: To use abcde, you set a few options in ~/.abcde, and then when you want to rip a CD, you put it in the drive and run "abcde" from a prompt |
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| 23:10.13 | ows | fellows, is there some way to view pdf files in my browser as html files? |
| 23:10.17 | MickLinux | simonraven: thanks. |
| 23:10.24 | SimonRaven | pdf2html ? |
| 23:10.25 | shad0wcat | ows: not really |
| 23:10.28 | gravity | ows: Google gives you that option |
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| 23:10.35 | K_Dallas | ows, that is too much to ask but put it on google and use their engine ;) |
| 23:10.38 | ows | gravity: how? |
| 23:10.40 | Yawgmoth | shad0wcat: Yeah, for someone that is going to throw the stuff out, Knoppix may not be the appropriate choice. |
| 23:10.48 | shad0wcat | you can tell firefox to open the pdf with gpdf though |
| 23:10.51 | Wyzard | mymayer: In RAID modes that use striping, that's the size of the stripes |
| 23:10.53 | Yawgmoth | But for some people its okay, since they are okay with what is there and maybe some more :o |
| 23:10.54 | gravity | ows: Find the page in google. Click on the "show as html" link |
| 23:11.01 | shad0wcat | Yawgmoth: pfft |
| 23:11.01 | Wyzard | mymayer: I don't think it's relevant to RAID-1 |
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| 23:11.17 | K_Dallas | ows, you need a program to do the conversion, google does it for pft files that it has in its database |
| 23:11.20 | MickLinux | ows: pdf files contain a ton of info that can't really go into html. So it's limited at best. |
| 23:11.27 | mymayer | ok |
| 23:11.40 | mhall | shad0wcat: i get the impression you have not dealt very much with real world time pressue |
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| 23:11.44 | mhall | shad0wcat: pressure* |
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| 23:11.53 | shad0wcat | mhall: I have |
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| 23:12.01 | shad0wcat | I have a bunch of customized debian installer images for that |
| 23:12.01 | Bac9 | what is available to replace gstreamer0.8-jack? I just notised it got dropped from debian |
| 23:12.08 | mhall | shad0wcat: it's often not feasible to spend weeks getting a perfect custom setup |
| 23:12.12 | ows | gravity: sorry, but I don't nothing more than cached, similar pages and remove results |
| 23:12.21 | mhall | shad0wcat: sometimes you are in a huge hurry and close really is good enough |
| 23:12.26 | shad0wcat | mhall: it's not really custom |
| 23:12.27 | gravity | ows: Did you not find the pdf itself? |
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| 23:12.37 | shad0wcat | they started out as custom cds |
| 23:12.48 | shad0wcat | but now I have two or three "generic" ones that I often use |
| 23:12.58 | shad0wcat | the difference being that I know what's in them |
| 23:13.03 | shad0wcat | and that makes maintenance a lot easier |
| 23:13.08 | invisibility | hi, how can i change the LS_COLORS part of env? |
| 23:13.10 | ows | gravity: yeah, but online some files |
| 23:13.14 | ows | *only |
| 23:13.26 | gravity | ows: I don't understand |
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| 23:14.00 | ows | gravity: only some files has that option "View as HTML" |
| 23:14.09 | shad0wcat | ows: oh quit whining already |
| 23:14.16 | shad0wcat | you were already told why it can't really be done |
| 23:14.23 | gravity | ows: Only the pdf files do. The HTML files are just html. |
| 23:14.24 | shad0wcat | so either you accept google, or use gpdf |
| 23:14.29 | shad0wcat | or convert yourself |
| 23:14.34 | shad0wcat | PDF != HTML |
| 23:14.47 | mhall | Bac9: what did this package do |
| 23:14.47 | shad0wcat | pdf by specification is a hell of a lot more complicated than html will ever be |
| 23:14.52 | ows | gravity: only some pdf files of course |
| 23:15.09 | MickLinux | pdf2html < self > selfas2d |
| 23:15.15 | shad0wcat | if you wanted to describe a pdf using html you'd have to use xml with one hell of a css stylesheet |
| 23:15.20 | Bac9 | mhall: "This GStreamer plugin enables the use of the Jack Audio Connection Kit (JACK) low-latency audio server for audio stream input and output. " from packages.debian.org |
| 23:15.35 | mhall | shad0wcat: even that would be lacking in some respects |
| 23:15.40 | shad0wcat | mhall: true |
| 23:15.46 | shad0wcat | but ows doesn't get the point |
| 23:15.48 | mhall | shad0wcat: vector graphics and browsers are not especially fucking compatible |
| 23:16.00 | gravity | ows: That doesn't make sense. What's the google search string and what's the file you can't convert? |
| 23:16.01 | shad0wcat | nope not really |
| 23:16.01 | tomiq | Wyzard: sure... i like graphics perheaps... and all things efficiently organized before me... can i have other question ... related to x? |
| 23:16.07 | mhall | shad0wcat: what is he even trying to do |
| 23:16.17 | shad0wcat | mhall: is conceptually flawed |
| 23:16.23 | shad0wcat | but linux channels are a lot better |
| 23:16.24 | Yawgmoth | Well, some browsers support implemention of pdf viewers for use-candy :o |
| 23:16.28 | shad0wcat | at least when it comes to concept |
| 23:16.32 | Wyzard | tomiq: I do too, but it doesn't balance out the fact that grip sucks and abcde doesn't :-) |
| 23:16.34 | mhall | shad0wcat: i don't think i even saw what he wanted to do |
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| 23:16.43 | mhall | shad0wcat: i scrolled up but could not locate it |
| 23:16.44 | shad0wcat | mhall: he wants to view a pdf as html |
| 23:16.51 | shad0wcat | and do it for all pdf files |
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| 23:16.54 | shad0wcat | which _can't_ be done |
| 23:16.54 | Yawgmoth | Windows Support chans.. tell me some. I want to see it. |
| 23:16.59 | gravity | tomiq: What's your question? |
| 23:17.00 | mhall | shad0wcat: yeah forget it |
| 23:17.08 | shad0wcat | Yawgmoth: go idle in #windowsxp on efnet |
| 23:17.11 | mhall | shad0wcat: html < pdf |
| 23:17.13 | shad0wcat | you'll lose your mind in a week |
| 23:17.15 | Yawgmoth | Okay, thanks :o |
| 23:17.21 | antgel | is there not an acroread plugin for firefox? |
| 23:17.32 | shad0wcat | antgel: acroread sucks |
| 23:17.36 | shad0wcat | it's bloated to hell |
| 23:17.37 | mhall | antgel: non-free |
| 23:17.40 | mhall | antgel: 386 only |
| 23:17.41 | Andy_CARP | holaaaa |
| 23:17.44 | SimonRaven | mozplugger + xpdf.... |
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| 23:17.48 | shad0wcat | and the newest version also gives you a "upgrade to adobe" advert button |
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| 23:17.53 | tomiq | Wyzard: have you any idea how 2 change fake transparency 2 real one?? add shadows and so on... i have GL support enabled, but nothing changes... |
| 23:17.57 | shad0wcat | err adobe = acrobat |
| 23:17.59 | Yawgmoth | Well, firefox windows-versions come with some acrobat thingy. Dont know whats out there for linux firefox with pdf. |
| 23:17.59 | Bac9 | mhall: so any idea what replaces it? |
| 23:17.59 | ows | gravity: tkx for your help.. I've found what I want |
| 23:18.07 | gravity | ows: Ok, no problem |
| 23:18.08 | mhall | shad0wcat: i upgraded my pdf generator to 2.0.2 |
| 23:18.11 | Wyzard | shad0wcat: acroread does have the advantage that it can do subpixel anti-aliasing on LCD screens, which evince can't |
| 23:18.13 | SimonRaven | mozplugger + xpdf.... |
| 23:18.15 | mhall | shad0wcat: OOo 2.0.2 that is ;-) |
| 23:18.16 | shad0wcat | Yawgmoth: if you have gpdf installed it'll load that |
| 23:18.16 | Yawgmoth | mozplugger+xpdf.. nice |
| 23:18.24 | Yawgmoth | Shadowcat: Okay |
| 23:18.25 | ipixnic | if i see a pts/2 in who, how do I logout that one? |
| 23:18.29 | gravity | tomiq: GL support doesn't have much to do with transparency |
| 23:18.29 | shad0wcat | personally i use kpdf |
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| 23:18.38 | Yawgmoth | I liked xpdf somehow, so I might try it with that |
| 23:18.38 | Jamsi | CTRL C isn't working to kill sendmail .. any other ideas? |
| 23:18.40 | shad0wcat | Wyzard: acroread is also a resource hog |
| 23:18.47 | Wyzard | tomiq: That requires software features which are still being developed |
| 23:18.49 | ipixnic | Jamsi: ctrl + d |
| 23:18.54 | ipixnic | Jamsi: q + q |
| 23:18.54 | SimonRaven | ipixnic: you go there, and hit ^d |
| 23:18.58 | mhall | Jamsi: how would Ctrl-C ever work to begin with |
| 23:19.07 | Jamsi | You guys told me that? :P |
| 23:19.19 | gravity | tomiq: If you want transparency you can install transset and xcompmgr. There are Ubuntu packages floating around and it'll go in to Debian at some point in the fairly near future |
| 23:19.20 | tomiq | and some nice configuration tool... everything in linux is hidden in hundreds of configuration files... i don't want to sit and tweek linux the whole year... |
| 23:19.22 | Jamsi | Sendmail is failing on startup and freezing, not letting me into the system. |
| 23:19.24 | ipixnic | SimonRaven, i know there's another way! someone showed me once |
| 23:19.28 | Yawgmoth | Well, doesnt ctrl+c send some kind of kill signal on some termianl softwares? |
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| 23:19.31 | gravity | tomiq: But it's fairly slow unless you have the proprietary nvidia drivers |
| 23:19.34 | Yawgmoth | *terminal |
| 23:19.40 | bbrazil | Yawgmoth: SIGINT |
| 23:19.40 | Wyzard | gravity: except the performance sucks if you don't have Exa... |
| 23:19.43 | mhall | normally for some very shitty reason most startup scripts ignore interrupt key combinations |
| 23:19.44 | gravity | Wyzard: Right |
| 23:19.47 | Yawgmoth | bbrazil: Thanks |
| 23:19.49 | gravity | Wyzard: Or the proprietary nvidia drivers |
| 23:19.51 | mhall | i've never comprehended that behavior |
| 23:19.53 | gravity | Apparently those are fast |
| 23:19.57 | Wyzard | gravity: or, in the case of nVidia's driver, RenderAccel... which continues to be very buggy |
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| 23:20.00 | tomiq | Wyzard: is that so hard to make? |
| 23:20.03 | Skrotto | Is EXA being used already? |
| 23:20.05 | Toolah | morning all - I updated my old laptop from 2.4.18-bf to 2.6.14 and now eth0 will not come up - how do I run the network configuration script again? |
| 23:20.08 | gravity | Skrotto: I'm running it |
| 23:20.08 | Wyzard | gravity: In the past I've had RenderAccel crash my X |
| 23:20.11 | gravity | Skrotto: But it's not really ready |
| 23:20.11 | shad0wcat | Yawgmoth: here's an example of Windows help |
| 23:20.12 | mhall | Wyzard: oh yeah, with renderaccel the fun begins |
| 23:20.14 | shad0wcat | <junks> how do i grab the registry from an xp installation on another hard drive i'm slaving? is it a single file somewhere? |
| 23:20.16 | Jamsi | mhall, what do you suggest? |
| 23:20.17 | gravity | Wyzard: Yeah, that's the other fun thing I've heard :-) |
| 23:20.18 | Skrotto | gravity: I see :) |
| 23:20.22 | Bac9 | what is available to replace gstreamer0.8-jack? I just noticed it got dropped from debian |
| 23:20.25 | tomiq | Wyzard: implement some algorythms... |
| 23:20.26 | shad0wcat | he wants to backup the windows registry like an /etc dir |
| 23:20.28 | mhall | Jamsi: you know i've been wondering for years |
| 23:20.30 | shad0wcat | that simply isn't pssible |
| 23:20.32 | shad0wcat | possible* |
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| 23:20.39 | liran | weird. i've updated every apt sources yet i dont have the l2tpd package, only l2tpns. any ideas? |
| 23:20.42 | Yawgmoth | Heh. |
| 23:20.45 | Wyzard | gravity: I re-enabled it recently and found that while it didn't crash, I'd occasionally get weird patterns of diagonal lines in my windows, and a few days ago, blocks of text simply not appearing |
| 23:20.52 | phiPPs | Tollah: the device ordering might have changed have a look for the right MAC address in ifconfig -a |
| 23:20.55 | mhall | Jamsi: but i never asked it really |
| 23:20.56 | shad0wcat | Yawgmoth: and we get at least five of those a day |
| 23:20.59 | SimonRaven | um, isn't it? it's just some large binary file... |
| 23:21.04 | mhall | Jamsi: just swear everytime i have a frozen service on boot |
| 23:21.05 | Yawgmoth | I tried some backupping once. exported it and then wanted to import again.. imagine. xP |
| 23:21.17 | shad0wcat | Yawgmoth: it doesn't work |
| 23:21.21 | liran | while l2tpd is available in ubuntu sources it isn't in my apt. |
| 23:21.22 | Yawgmoth | Yes, it didnt work. |
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| 23:21.26 | shad0wcat | you _can't_ move a registry from one box to another |
| 23:21.30 | gravity | Wyzard: Fun |
| 23:21.45 | Yawgmoth | Well, it was worth a try back then. Why not :o |
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| 23:22.14 | Yawgmoth | However, I hate the whole registry idea anyway. |
| 23:22.15 | shad0wcat | lots of people also want to reclaim that "free" 8mb at the end of the hd with partition magic |
| 23:22.16 | mhall | liran: funny it's in my sources |
| 23:22.19 | mymayer | Wyzard so : mdadm -create /dev/hde12 /dev/hdg1 -l 1 |
| 23:22.20 | shad0wcat | *sigh* |
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| 23:22.45 | mhall | shad0wcat: you can reclaim it trivially with the minix partition editor |
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| 23:23.00 | shad0wcat | mhall: well that 8mb is used for NTFS records |
| 23:23.01 | mymayer | Wyzard ? |
| 23:23.03 | shad0wcat | most people don't get that |
| 23:23.03 | mhall | shad0wcat: which allows partitions to start and end trivially on any arbitrary CHS value |
| 23:23.08 | ruied | I can mount /mnt/dvd as a normal user but can't write in to it (permission denied) my rule in fstab is noauto,users,rw. whir root I can write to /mnt/dvd (it's a DVD-RAM) what could be wrong ? |
| 23:23.16 | shad0wcat | so when they try it they hose the entire mbr |
| 23:23.16 | Yawgmoth | Is that NTFS-record like a journal? |
| 23:23.17 | mhall | shad0wcat: no, it's not placed into any partition |
| 23:23.19 | shad0wcat | among other things |
| 23:23.32 | shad0wcat | basically, you don't do it |
| 23:23.39 | liran | mhall, i see. well i got ftp.debian.nl and ftp.wa.au.debian.org in my apt sources.lst so i should be just fine too but i'm not |
| 23:23.41 | shad0wcat | yet lots of people attempt it and cry for help when they fail |
| 23:23.49 | mhall | shad0wcat: it is there to make partitions start and end on even cylinder boundaries |
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| 23:23.57 | Mjelva | question - i updated my kernel earlier today, and now i have no sound. i have no idea why. xmms reports that my soundcard isn't properly configured. does anyone know how to fix? |
| 23:23.59 | shad0wcat | mhall: tell them that |
| 23:24.00 | shad0wcat | not me |
| 23:24.06 | mhall | shad0wcat: fses don't generally like it when partitions do not end on boundaries |
| 23:24.09 | Barnes | witch file system is prefered for large disks and files around 50mb ? ext3 or raiserFS ? |
| 23:24.16 | shad0wcat | Mjelva: what kernel? |
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| 23:24.23 | mhall | shad0wcat: so if you make it end at the wrong place the fs code assumptions corrupt stuff |
| 23:24.26 | shad0wcat | reiserfs is for small files |
| 23:24.32 | mhall | Barnes: XFS |
| 23:24.32 | shad0wcat | well... it's fast for small files |
| 23:24.34 | Mjelva | shad0wcat- 2.6.12-1-386 |
| 23:24.37 | Yawgmoth | shad0wcat: Dont do what? |
| 23:24.39 | mhall | Barnes: or ext3 |
| 23:24.43 | shad0wcat | Mjelva: what are you running? |
| 23:24.44 | mhall | Barnes: reiser is dangerous |
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| 23:24.46 | shad0wcat | debian testing? |
| 23:24.48 | cddesjar | it's finally in etch, eh? |
| 23:24.49 | Toolah | how do I make my pcmcia modules load at boot? |
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| 23:24.52 | shad0wcat | mhall: bah I use reiser |
| 23:24.55 | Mjelva | Shadowcat- i tried both xine and xmms. neither give me any sound. |
| 23:24.55 | Jamsi | To boot into single user mode, at lilo promot its just "linux 1" yeah? |
| 23:24.56 | Wyzard | reiser is OK for large files too |
| 23:25.06 | Barnes | Mhall ok good i use ext3 atm |
| 23:25.11 | SimonRaven | Jamsi: single |
| 23:25.11 | ipixnic | How do I log out users from root? |
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| 23:25.16 | Mjelva | shad0wcat- oh, yes. debian testing. |
| 23:25.18 | mhall | shad0wcat: yeah it's great until something gets tweaked and you have to run fsck |
| 23:25.21 | Jamsi | SimonRaven, ta |
| 23:25.24 | mhall | shad0wcat: then you are screwed |
| 23:25.32 | Barnes | why is it that some people say that raiser is unstable? |
| 23:25.34 | shad0wcat | mhall: I'm running reiser4 |
| 23:25.35 | shad0wcat | they fixed that |
| 23:25.49 | mhall | shad0wcat: perhaps in a year or two i'll try it |
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| 23:25.52 | shad0wcat | reiser4 isn't even in the regular kernel |
| 23:25.57 | Yawgmoth | Barnes: I think, its because reiser was - some longer time ago when it was still being developped. |
| 23:26.00 | mhall | shad0wcat: i didn't switch to xfs right away either |
| 23:26.08 | shad0wcat | I had to make a custom cd to run it on my root partition |
| 23:26.18 | cddesjar | debian is da bomb |
| 23:26.21 | shad0wcat | which is why I don't use debian repository kernels either |
| 23:26.24 | shad0wcat | I can't |
| 23:26.24 | Barnes | ok thx |
| 23:26.29 | shad0wcat | not unless I want a wonderful kernel panic |
| 23:26.41 | ruied | Question: I can mount /mnt/dvd as a normal user but can't write in to it (permission denied) my rule in fstab is noauto,users,rw. with the root user I can write to /mnt/dvd (it's a DVD-RAM) what could be wrong ? |
| 23:26.46 | mhall | shad0wcat: repo kernels are too bloated for me |
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| 23:26.51 | mhall | shad0wcat: and modules cause problems |
| 23:26.53 | shad0wcat | mhall: that too |
| 23:26.57 | mhall | shad0wcat: so i prefer hand-compile also |
| 23:27.02 | shad0wcat | well |
| 23:27.11 | mhall | shad0wcat: also everybody tried to make kernel.org kernels better with patched |
| 23:27.16 | shad0wcat | I have to put usb+firewire+nic into the module sections |
| 23:27.17 | Mjelva | shad0wcat- any idea what's up with my lacking sound? |
| 23:27.27 | mhall | shad0wcat: but i never saw a patch version superior to or even equal to the original |
| 23:27.28 | shad0wcat | Mjelva: probably because that kernel isn't properly tested |
| 23:27.29 | mymayer | Wyzard : mdadm: array /dev/md1 started. |
| 23:27.30 | cddesjar | Mjelva: alsa installed? |
| 23:27.43 | Jamsi | What happens if the system cannot boot into single user mode. |
| 23:27.43 | mhall | shad0wcat: the orig devs are just too fucking good |
| 23:27.48 | shad0wcat | mhall: I have to patch my kernel with reiser4 and software suspend 2 |
| 23:27.55 | Wyzard | mymayer: Why /dev/md1? |
| 23:27.57 | Jamsi | Ie, when you type 'Linux single' it says operation not available |
| 23:27.57 | shad0wcat | otherwise my laptop won't really work |
| 23:28.02 | antgel | is alexis sukrieh here? |
| 23:28.04 | SimonRaven | ruied: don't mount it as root... |
| 23:28.05 | Yawgmoth | I am having debian here, running with the vanilla I compiled right away even before doing a lot of further setting up the system. |
| 23:28.07 | Jamsi | press tab to see a list of optios ,and theres only one there. |
| 23:28.13 | mhall | shad0wcat: ah, with suspend 2, how does it work for you |
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| 23:28.19 | shad0wcat | mhall: works fine |
| 23:28.20 | mhall | shad0wcat: i keep wanting to try it but have been too busy |
| 23:28.24 | Wyzard | mymayer: not that there's anything really wrong with that, but make sure you didn't accidentally create two arrays using the same drives or something |
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| 23:28.26 | mhall | shad0wcat: what kind of laptop |
| 23:28.28 | SimonRaven | ruied: see 'mount' output, you'll see which user it's been mounted as, likely it's root |
| 23:28.29 | Mjelva | cddesjar- what's alsa? |
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| 23:28.32 | mhall | shad0wcat: my dsdt is all fucked up |
| 23:28.38 | mhall | shad0wcat: had to make new one with iasl |
| 23:28.38 | shad0wcat | once I suspended the box when it was in the middle of flaying an mp3 |
| 23:28.42 | shad0wcat | playing* |
| 23:28.45 | shad0wcat | dsdt? |
| 23:28.46 | Wyzard | lol |
| 23:28.49 | cddesjar | !alsa |
| 23:28.49 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 23:28.53 | mhall | shad0wcat: acpi table |
| 23:28.54 | mymayer | Wyzard : this was my CMD : mdadm --create --verbose /dev/md1 --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/hde12 /dev/hdg1 |
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| 23:29.02 | Wyzard | mymayer: ok |
| 23:29.06 | shad0wcat | anyway |
| 23:29.09 | shad0wcat | when I resumed it |
| 23:29.11 | SimonRaven | ;p |
| 23:29.16 | shad0wcat | it resumed playing from the exact location it left off |
| 23:29.17 | Wyzard | mymayer: I'd have used /dev/md0 rather than /dev/md1, but it doesn't really matter... /proc/mdstat should now say it's syncing |
| 23:29.18 | mhall | SimonRaven: audacity? |
| 23:29.21 | shad0wcat | pretty cool |
| 23:29.32 | shad0wcat | but you have to have anything hotpluggable as modules |
| 23:29.38 | shad0wcat | or the kernel will panic on you when it resumes |
| 23:29.40 | shad0wcat | that includes nics |
| 23:29.41 | mymayer | Wyzard i first tryied it on md1, but then hde12 where "mounted". I umounted it, then where md0 busy, so i choosed md1. Thats for the story |
| 23:29.46 | mhall | shad0wcat: oof |
| 23:29.50 | shad0wcat | and you should shutdown networking before you suspend |
| 23:29.51 | mhall | shad0wcat: hotpluggable? |
| 23:29.53 | SimonRaven | mhall: that's one way, but i'd prefer using a rawer format first |
| 23:30.00 | shad0wcat | otherwise you end up with a really screwed up routing table |
| 23:30.04 | mymayer | Wyzard : so now just mount md1 to asmth and write on it ? |
| 23:30.07 | shad0wcat | mhall: usb, firewire |
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| 23:30.13 | shad0wcat | pci-e too |
| 23:30.15 | shad0wcat | nics, etc |
| 23:30.17 | cddesjar | Mjelva: apt-get install alsa alsa-utils |
| 23:30.26 | Wyzard | mymayer: /dev/md0 shouldn't be "busy" if nothing was using it yet... |
| 23:30.28 | Wyzard | mymayer: but yes |
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| 23:30.34 | Mjelva | cddesjar- this seems a bit complicated. i had sound before i updated kernels. why wouldn't it still work? |
| 23:30.47 | shad0wcat | swsusp2 works a lot better than XP's hibernate |
| 23:30.51 | shad0wcat | and unlike Windblows |
| 23:30.57 | shad0wcat | swsusp2 doesn't break the os |
| 23:31.03 | cddesjar | oh |
| 23:31.09 | shad0wcat | if you hibernate windows a lot it'll break after a while |
| 23:31.11 | cddesjar | hmm...sometimes it gets screwed up |
| 23:31.13 | cddesjar | what are yo urunning |
| 23:31.22 | cddesjar | sarge, etch, or sid |
| 23:31.22 | shad0wcat | uhh |
| 23:31.28 | shad0wcat | if your kernel works fine |
| 23:31.32 | shad0wcat | don't freaking upgrade it |
| 23:31.38 | Mjelva | cddesjar- not sure. 2.6.12-1-386. testing. |
| 23:31.41 | antgel | shad0wcat: citation? i used to hibernate windows all the time and it was fine with it |
| 23:31.42 | shad0wcat | if it ain't broke don't fix it |
| 23:31.44 | Mjelva | that probably tells you more than it tells me. |
| 23:31.49 | mymayer | !tell mymayer about paste |
| 23:31.59 | blank | hey guys I want to download debian, is it really 14 CDs? |
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| 23:32.09 | antgel | blank: don't need them all, etc etc |
| 23:32.10 | Mjelva | shad0wcat- it wasn't working fine. it had no MTRR. wouldn't play movies right. now it plays them smoothly, but with no sound! |
| 23:32.12 | shad0wcat | antgel: it slows the system down |
| 23:32.13 | Wyzard | blank: You don't need to download all of them |
| 23:32.14 | shad0wcat | A LOT |
| 23:32.17 | mymayer | Wyzard : http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 23:32.20 | blank | oh okay, which ones are necessary |
| 23:32.24 | shad0wcat | Mjelva: a lot of stuff in testing is broken |
| 23:32.31 | Wyzard | blank: If you'll have an Internet connection available while installing, all you need is the netinst CD, which is small |
| 23:32.32 | blank | which of the CDs are necessary, please |
| 23:32.33 | mymayer | Wyzard he just syncronised, so everything is ready, or ? |
| 23:32.34 | blank | oh, thakns |
| 23:32.38 | shad0wcat | you should CHECK the bug reports before you upgrade |
| 23:32.40 | shad0wcat | !apt-listbugs |
| 23:32.40 | dpkg | apt-listbugs is, like, a tool currently specific to sid that queries the BTS (/msg apt bts) for known bugs pertaining to packages you try to install... if you then find the bugs to be serious enough, you may choose to hold the old package untill you know the bug is fixed (/msg apt hold) ... to get it, simply "apt-get install apt-listbugs", its a must have tool for all sid users! |
| 23:32.41 | Wyzard | blank: The installer will download other components as necessary |
| 23:32.42 | litage | what does the iptables -m option do? it's not mentioned in the manpage |
| 23:32.43 | antgel | shad0wcat: that happens whether you hibernate or not. i asume you have no citation that hibernating windows slows it down |
| 23:32.57 | Mjelva | shad0wcat- i took the advice of you people. i didn't pick the build myself :( |
| 23:33.02 | shad0wcat | antgel: it breaks stuff |
| 23:33.07 | Wyzard | blank: Most of the contents of those CDs are optional software, not stuff that's needed for installation, and apt-get can download the packages from the Internet anyway |
| 23:33.07 | Mjelva | several of you were pointing me to that build. |
| 23:33.07 | antgel | !tell blank about ig |
| 23:33.09 | shad0wcat | just trust me on that |
| 23:33.11 | Jamsi | Wyzard, do you know how to boot the system into Single user mode when its not available? (lol) |
| 23:33.18 | shad0wcat | I've sat in a windows support chan for over three years |
| 23:33.25 | shad0wcat | I know what NOT to do with that os |
| 23:33.28 | ruied | SimonRaven: I'm mounting the dvd as user, it mounts but it doesn't write (permission denied) |
| 23:33.31 | Wyzard | mymayer: yes |
| 23:33.36 | cddesjar | Mjelva: you're running etch...etch = testing...so i bet you might need to install alsa...that's what i use...its the best anyways |
| 23:33.36 | antgel | shad0wcat: um, that's as inaccurate as your last statement |
| 23:33.41 | shad0wcat | if I use Windows as a primary os it'll last a month |
| 23:33.42 | Wyzard | Jamsi: When what isn't available? |
| 23:33.45 | shad0wcat | and hibernate daily |
| 23:33.48 | cddesjar | Mjelva: so try apt-get install alsa alsa-utils |
| 23:33.59 | cddesjar | Mjelva: then run alsaconf as root |
| 23:34.02 | Jamsi | Wyzard, Single user mode. It informs me so when I type "linux single |
| 23:34.03 | mymayer | Wyzard : I mounted it now, and all i got to do ist just write on it ? |
| 23:34.04 | shad0wcat | takes about 30 days for me to get a bsod out of the system |
| 23:34.06 | mymayer | thats great |
| 23:34.11 | blank | thanks guys, but which CDs are abosulutely necessary (if I dont have an internet connection) |
| 23:34.12 | shad0wcat | no matter WHAT I try to do to prevent it |
| 23:34.14 | Wyzard | mymayer: yep |
| 23:34.16 | Jamsi | Wyzard, it says press tab to see a list of available options .. single user mode is NOt there. |
| 23:34.17 | SimonRaven | ruied: what's the perms on the device file for your dvd burner? |
| 23:34.25 | Guerin | blank: the first |
| 23:34.29 | shad0wcat | while my debian system running unstable has been there for over six months |
| 23:34.32 | shad0wcat | no problems at all |
| 23:34.35 | blank | Just the first CD, thanks guys, I love you |
| 23:34.43 | Guerin | blank: otherwise it depends what you want. /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 23:34.46 | antgel | blank: depends. packages are in order of popularity. hence you're unlikely to need cd 14. also investigate the dvd's - there's only 2 |
| 23:34.47 | Wyzard | Jamsi: What are you booting? The install CD? Or an installation on your hard drive? |
| 23:34.49 | blank | yeah exacty |
| 23:34.50 | Mjelva | cddesjar- i tried apt-get install alsa, but it gave me: |
| 23:34.56 | Jamsi | Wyzard, Installation of Debian on my Hard drive. |
| 23:34.58 | SimonRaven | ruied: also the ownership/group (just give me ls -l output for it) |
| 23:34.59 | Yawgmoth | shad0wcat: I have been running Windows 98 for like 11 months one time :o |
| 23:35.01 | blank | ah yeah I'd rather get the DVDs lol |
| 23:35.02 | Mjelva | Package alsa is a virtual package provided by: |
| 23:35.03 | Mjelva | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.03 | Mjelva | You should explicitly select one to install. |
| 23:35.03 | Mjelva | E: Package alsa has no installation candidate |
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| 23:35.09 | Wyzard | Jamsi: Are you using grub or lilo? |
| 23:35.14 | shad0wcat | Yawgmoth: now try actually DOING something on it :P |
| 23:35.15 | Jamsi | Wyzard, system locks up when it tries to start Sendmail. Need to get in and disable it |
| 23:35.21 | Jamsi | Wyzard, lilo |
| 23:35.22 | cddesjar | lol |
| 23:35.23 | antgel | blank: DVDs are great but torrent only |
| 23:35.26 | Yawgmoth | shad0wcat: Well, I did. |
| 23:35.29 | cddesjar | i love it when people paste here |
| 23:35.31 | blank | Thanks guys, it's cause I love ubuntu but I'd like to try debian, you know, move up a step |
| 23:35.31 | cddesjar | !lol |
| 23:35.31 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 23:35.34 | ruied | SimonRaven: noauto,user |
| 23:35.35 | shad0wcat | idling doesn't count :P |
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| 23:35.39 | Yawgmoth | Not the entire 11 months, but like 2/3 of that time at least. |
| 23:35.44 | Toolah | just a hint on where a newbie can get started please? I am good at following step by step guides if someone can point me in the right direction |
| 23:35.46 | SimonRaven | ruied: no, in /dev |
| 23:35.52 | antgel | blank: ah, you're growing up ;) |
| 23:35.58 | Wyzard | Jamsi: Appending "single" to whatever name you normally use for booting (like "linux" or whatever) should be all you need |
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| 23:36.07 | Mjelva | sorry, that was stupid of me. forgot to edit out the linebreaks. |
| 23:36.07 | Yawgmoth | shad0wcat: If that rumor is true that windows cant be online longer than 48 days or something, then I couldnt have idled 11 months anyway. XD |
| 23:36.10 | Mjelva | i'll try again. |
| 23:36.10 | Wyzard | Jamsi: but sendmail shouldn't be hanging forever anyway... just wait a few minutes |
| 23:36.10 | antgel | Toolah: started with what? /msg dpkg grounding |
| 23:36.11 | cddesjar | Mjelva: apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils |
| 23:36.16 | Yawgmoth | *windows 98 |
| 23:36.19 | Wyzard | Yawgmoth: That's an old win98 bug |
| 23:36.20 | cddesjar | Mjelva: you can't paste here |
| 23:36.22 | SimonRaven | Mjelva: 1) don't paste here 2) do what it says |
| 23:36.28 | cddesjar | Mjelva: you'll get booted every time |
| 23:36.31 | shad0wcat | Yawgmoth: an unpatched WinXP box can't remain online for 4 seconds without getting 0wned |
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| 23:36.38 | cddesjar | Mjelva: paste at www.pastebin.com |
| 23:36.38 | blank | lol |
| 23:36.43 | Jamsi | Wyzard, and if "<kernal name> single" doesn't work, would I have to boot off disc and try and get in? |
| 23:36.46 | Yawgmoth | Wyzard: Yes, I had an old windows 98 back then, not SE. |
| 23:36.48 | SimonRaven | @paster |
| 23:36.48 | shad0wcat | a fully patched up WinXP box with a stupid user will get 0wned in a day |
| 23:36.49 | Mjelva | cddesjar- yea, i know. i just forgot to edit out the linebreaks before i hit enter |
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| 23:36.49 | ravenbird | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste select #debian, and paste away. |
| 23:36.54 | Toolah | antgel, I upgraded from 2.4.18-bf to 2.6.14 following a guide, now my pcmcia and eth0 wont work |
| 23:36.55 | Mjelva | i was going to paste it as one long line |
| 23:37.01 | thomas001 | hello i want to print multiple pages on a sheet using psnup. the resulting ps file looks good in gv, but printing it results in an empty sheet of paper. any help? |
| 23:37.12 | cddesjar | Mjelva: install alsa-base |
| 23:37.13 | Wyzard | Jamsi: If that doesn't work, you should investigate what's wrong with your lilo, or what mistake you're making |
| 23:37.15 | antgel | SimonRaven: i got a laptop in the end. not an apple sadly. got a thinkpad x31. brand new but i think it's discontinued, so got good price of £700 |
| 23:37.18 | cddesjar | Mjelva: and alsa-utils |
| 23:37.23 | Yawgmoth | Okay, Im going to idle in that efnet sup channel for some time :o |
| 23:37.25 | Jamsi | Wyzard, cheers. |
| 23:37.27 | Mjelva | cddesjar- done and done |
| 23:37.29 | Wyzard | Jamsi: but yes, booting a CD would be an alternative |
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| 23:37.36 | cddesjar | Mjelva: alsaconf (run as root) |
| 23:37.42 | cddesjar | Mjelva: then select your sound card |
| 23:37.42 | ruied | SimonRaven brwxrwxrwx /dev/scd0 |
| 23:37.45 | antgel | Toolah: 1. you followed a shit guide. 2. are you still running woody? |
| 23:37.47 | SimonRaven | antgel: cool |
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| 23:38.34 | antgel | SimonRaven: it's a really nice machine. i was looking at other brands, typed two words on the ibm and realised that the keyboard was the best by a country mile. but pricey, but i lug it about all the time, and business pays for it... |
| 23:38.38 | SimonRaven | ruied: uh, 1) don't set anything 777 yourself in /dev unless you *KNOW FOR SURE* it's supposed to be that way 2) i asked for ls -l output |
| 23:38.39 | Toolah | antgel, yes I think - I installed from woody but have done apt-get updates and upgrades |
| 23:38.48 | blank | im (gonna be) a big kid now! :D |
| 23:38.53 | SimonRaven | antgel: cool, :) |
| 23:38.56 | shad0wcat | hahaha SimonRaven |
| 23:39.07 | shad0wcat | you'll need this |
| 23:39.08 | blank | thanks guys, im out, c ya buddies! look forward to seeing this channel now instead of ubuntu channel |
| 23:39.19 | Mjelva | thanks a lot, cddesjar |
| 23:39.25 | Mjelva | and you too shad0wcat |
| 23:39.28 | cddesjar | Mjelva: did it work? |
| 23:39.34 | Mjelva | (which by the way is the coolest battlemech evar) |
| 23:39.39 | Mjelva | cddesjar- like a charm <3 |
| 23:39.44 | cddesjar | Mjelva: run alsamixer and make sure everything is unmuted! |
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| 23:39.45 | antgel | Toolah: i hope you mean aptitude, not apt-get. apt-get isn't supported for a sarge upgrade. have you upgraded to sarge? |
| 23:39.46 | cddesjar | great! |
| 23:39.54 | Toolah | antgel, I followed this guide http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2949 - was very verbose and good, even I could follow it |
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| 23:40.05 | cddesjar | Alsa is da bomb! |
| 23:40.11 | antgel | Toolah: it was such a good guide i hosed your system |
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| 23:40.16 | antgel | s/i/it |
| 23:40.25 | Toolah | antgel, no, I am not doing testing or unstable |
| 23:40.26 | antgel | SimonRaven: you wanna give that shit up |
| 23:40.35 | shad0wcat | antgel: well you *can* upgrade to sarge using apt-get |
| 23:40.39 | mike_ | can ya'llhelp with a scanner issue? |
| 23:40.39 | SimonRaven | don't lecture me |
| 23:40.42 | Mjelva | cddesjar- i've falled in love with alsa, now |
| 23:40.44 | shad0wcat | I doubt your newly upgraded system will boot though |
| 23:40.50 | mike_ | got it install, sane-find-scanner works for root |
| 23:40.51 | Guerin | antgel: coming between SimonRaven and his baccy is inadvisab;e |
| 23:40.52 | mike_ | but not users |
| 23:40.55 | Mjelva | how quickly it replaced my newfound love for ripping pornsites with wget :( |
| 23:40.55 | ruied | SimonRaven: it didn't work out, so I've tried 777... it points to /dev/scd0 (it writes as root) |
| 23:40.57 | gravity | alsa is still too complicated for my little brain |
| 23:41.13 | antgel | Toolah: i didn't ask if you were. sarge is stable. that article might be old. |
| 23:41.16 | Mjelva | gravity - i <3 lossless music. this alsa thingy is a godsent. keke |
| 23:41.16 | shad0wcat | oh wait, it's too small to find |
| 23:41.18 | shad0wcat | >:) |
| 23:41.27 | gravity | Mjelva: Lossless like flac? |
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| 23:41.29 | cddesjar | if you ever want to f-around alsa...type alsamixer |
| 23:41.34 | antgel | SimonRaven: sorry. reformed smoker. just /ig me :) |
| 23:41.38 | Mjelva | gravity - yes. but preferably wavpack. |
| 23:41.43 | gravity | Ah |
| 23:41.44 | cddesjar | and to save your settings do alsactl store |
| 23:41.47 | gravity | Yeah, I just use vorbis |
| 23:41.49 | Guerin | Mjelva: wavpack? why? |
| 23:41.53 | deus_ | How can i install the newest kernel trough apt+ |
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| 23:41.53 | mymayer | how to set the user and group flax X for all directorys recursivly ? |
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| 23:42.01 | Mjelva | Guerin- same quality, faster encode/decode |
| 23:42.02 | Toolah | antgel, ah. Well, to be honest then, I don't know what I am running. uname -a says 2.6.14 |
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| 23:42.12 | Mjelva | Guerin- and better compression |
| 23:42.13 | shad0wcat | deus_: you don't want the newest kernel in the debian repository |
| 23:42.26 | deus_ | shad0wcat: i dont? |
| 23:42.28 | antgel | Toolah: i'm not going to waste my time reading the article. why don't you use sarge's 2.6.8? |
| 23:42.30 | shad0wcat | no you don't |
| 23:42.30 | Guerin | Mjelva: if my p2-233 can play plac without missing a beat, i don't see how speed is an issue |
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| 23:42.40 | Gobo | hi. i have a question... |
| 23:42.41 | deus_ | the kernel i have is still 2.2.20 |
| 23:42.49 | deus_ | the kernel i have is still 2.2.20-compact |
| 23:42.50 | ruied | SimonRaven: root@Samba:/mnt# ls -l /dev/scd* |
| 23:42.51 | ruied | brwxrw-rw- 1 root cdrom 11, 0 1994-07-18 18:06 /dev/scd0 |
| 23:42.55 | antgel | shad0wcat: perhaps you can, but i believe the upgrade is only supported via aptitude |
| 23:42.59 | gravity | Gobo: Just ask it. If someone can help you they will. |
| 23:42.59 | Guerin | Mjelva: and what compression does it use? I've seen tests comparing flac with bzip2 on a wav, and flac came out ahead. |
| 23:43.01 | mymayer | Wyzard how to set the user and group flax X for all directorys recursivly ? |
| 23:43.01 | shad0wcat | deus_: then you can't even run 2.6 without upgrading half your system |
| 23:43.07 | shad0wcat | maybe even more than half |
| 23:43.08 | Mjelva | Guerin- you're still saving cycles. besides, if you have a sizeable collection, you could easily free up a gig or two. |
| 23:43.11 | Toolah | antgel, sure - how? Like I said, I am good at following steps in guides etc, but I need to know where to start, at the moment I am clueless |
| 23:43.15 | Mjelva | Guerin- not wave. wavpack. |
| 23:43.16 | deus_ | shad0wcat: thats not a problem |
| 23:43.18 | Mjelva | wv, not wav |
| 23:43.22 | shad0wcat | deus_: go download a sarge cd, and reinstall from scratch |
| 23:43.25 | Gobo | i was looking to buy a set of discs, and was wondering if anyone knew if i can get hardcopies of the docs... |
| 23:43.26 | SimonRaven | ruied: better perms would be 660; and are you in cdrom group? |
| 23:43.26 | shad0wcat | it'll save you a lot of trouble |
| 23:43.39 | Toolah | antgel, would it be easiest to do a re-install? it is a bare system |
| 23:43.39 | deus_ | I cant |
| 23:43.46 | deus_ | shad0wcat: i dont have a cd |
| 23:43.48 | shad0wcat | type linux26 at the boot prompt to get the 2.6 kernel |
| 23:43.51 | Gobo | like hardcopies of the docs with the CDs |
| 23:43.52 | shad0wcat | deus_: then go DOWNLOAD one |
| 23:43.55 | Guerin | Mjelva: it's still compression; my question stands. |
| 23:43.59 | litage | how can one determine if iptables is currently "running"? |
| 23:44.03 | ruied | SimonRaven, nop, going to add |
| 23:44.15 | antgel | Toolah: doubt it. cat /etc/apt/sources.list please. not here, /msg dpkg paster |
| 23:44.16 | mike_ | any idea on my scanner issue? |
| 23:44.16 | Mjelva | Guerin- depends what you mean. sure, there's compression. but not at the expense of quality. it's lossless. |
| 23:44.18 | deus_ | shad0wcat: thats the imaga, quite useless without a cd to burn it on |
| 23:44.33 | shad0wcat | deus_: upgrading from such an old distribution |
| 23:44.35 | SimonRaven | ruied: you should log out completely afterwards, or ssh localhost as a temporary measure |
| 23:44.37 | shad0wcat | will probably screw you up badly |
| 23:44.43 | antgel | litage: it doesn't run as such, but iptables -L shows the state of filters |
| 23:44.44 | shad0wcat | you might end up with something that doesn't boot |
| 23:44.46 | deus_ | shad0wcat: the cd i got is no more then 7 month old |
| 23:44.58 | shad0wcat | then you got the WRONG release |
| 23:45.01 | shad0wcat | you're running woody |
| 23:45.07 | shad0wcat | the newest release is sarge |
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| 23:45.27 | deus_ | shad0wcat: yes, thats shouldnt be a problem to upgrade should it? |
| 23:45.32 | ruied | SimonRaven: ok... going to try... |
| 23:45.35 | shad0wcat | theoretically no |
| 23:45.40 | deus_ | source list is set on stable |
| 23:45.41 | Guerin | Mjelva: look, i KNOW what lossless compression is. What I'm saying is that i'm not aware of an audio compression scheme which gets meaningfully more compression of PCM wave audio than flac does. Bzip2 doesn't, and that's one of the best all-purpose data compression algorithms in common use. So i'm asking: what does it use to get better compression? |
| 23:45.47 | shad0wcat | but speaking from experience, I wouldn't be doing it |
| 23:45.48 | deus_ | it allready done a dist upgrade |
| 23:45.50 | Guerin | Mjelva: if you don't know, just say so; don't handwave. |
| 23:46.00 | cddesjar | is there much difference between firefox 0.7 and firefox 1.5.rc1? |
| 23:46.00 | deus_ | it should be sarge |
| 23:46.03 | SimonRaven | litage: you'll want -vn as well since -L alone (without -n) will try to resolve every single IP address, and that's a very large PITA when you have a lot of rules |
| 23:46.11 | shad0wcat | deus_: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 23:46.14 | shad0wcat | what does that give you? |
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| 23:46.29 | antgel | cddesjar: about 0.8 |
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| 23:46.58 | deus_ | 3.1 |
| 23:47.09 | cddesjar | antgel: that's just bad... :) |
| 23:47.11 | antgel | SimonRaven: you have just explained something that has been a mystery to me since the start of my linux days |
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| 23:47.25 | shad0wcat | deus_: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6* |
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| 23:47.30 | shad0wcat | pick one, install it |
| 23:47.32 | shad0wcat | next! |
| 23:47.39 | antgel | cddesjar: there's a lot of difference. they've added in lots of new bugs |
| 23:47.41 | Mjelva | Guerin- i don't know why. all i know is that it compresses and decompresses quicker, and uses less hdd space. |
| 23:47.46 | deus_ | shad0wcat: anything wrong? |
| 23:47.52 | cddesjar | antgel: 0.8 new bugs? |
| 23:48.06 | SimonRaven | antgel: you're welcome |
| 23:48.10 | antgel | cddesjar: about 8000 new bugs from what i can gather |
| 23:48.12 | Mjelva | the audio quality is the same, obviously, and that's the most important thing. i still have quite a bit of flac (tho because i haven't bothered converting it) |
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| 23:48.28 | antgel | SimonRaven: i have always been like "why does it take so long to pull a simple field out of the kernel?" |
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| 23:48.55 | antgel | cddesjar: but note that firefox 1.5 isn't in debian |
| 23:49.07 | SimonRaven | antgel: many tools have the -n option to disable dns resolution, like route, ip doesn't do it by default (which is nice), others |
| 23:49.14 | shad0wcat | there's no point of keeping a beta in the repository |
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| 23:49.24 | shad0wcat | antgel: it's probably in debian experimental |
| 23:49.31 | shad0wcat | and if you're crazy enough to run stuff off there |
| 23:49.31 | antgel | SimonRaven: *ditto* re route |
| 23:49.35 | shad0wcat | well god bless you |
| 23:49.49 | gravity | Firefox 1.5 is in experimental |
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| 23:50.01 | gravity | Or rather, 1.4.99+1.5rc1.dfsg-1 0 is there |
| 23:50.13 | Guerin | grrr, i hate authors who don't include license info on their sites |
| 23:50.15 | shad0wcat | SimonRaven: yep, you're mental |
| 23:50.15 | antgel | shad0wcat: i don't think it could be much less stable than sarge firefox. seriously. it's the best browser but it's flaky as fuck |
| 23:50.30 | gravity | I'm too lazy to run any experimental stuff by my own |
| 23:50.34 | JeffH | anyone in here use Dirvish to backup a windows machine by chance? I can't get rsynch to work right. |
| 23:50.35 | gravity | That's enough for me :-) |
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| 23:51.10 | antgel | i had a cvs version of firefox deer park last month. stability hadn't improved, for me at least |
| 23:51.16 | SimonRaven | fucking bastards only send spam this way... |
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| 23:51.17 | Mjelva | Guerin- from what i'm hearing, wavpack really excels over flac when it comes to hi-bitrate music |
| 23:51.18 | cddesjar | antgel: yeah i know that 1.5.rc1 is only in experimental |
| 23:51.22 | Mjelva | like dvd-audio and shit |
| 23:51.26 | cddesjar | antgel: but that 0.7 is in sid |
| 23:51.34 | shad0wcat | I was running openoffice.org2 from unofficial repositories for a while |
| 23:51.36 | SimonRaven | "we have a strict anti-spam policy" yeh right |
| 23:51.38 | shad0wcat | but that was a bout it |
| 23:51.46 | cddesjar | oo.org2 is in sid |
| 23:51.48 | Guerin | Mjelva: ok. |
| 23:51.55 | shad0wcat | SimonRaven: it's really "we have a strict spam policy" |
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| 23:52.00 | shad0wcat | that anti- is a typo |
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| 23:52.02 | Zephiroth | Can someone help me?... I'v got a problem with my audio... |
| 23:52.03 | antgel | cddesjar: that's 1.0.7, not 0.7 |
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| 23:52.05 | SimonRaven | uh hunh |
| 23:52.06 | shad0wcat | ain't supposed to be there |
| 23:52.07 | shad0wcat | :P |
| 23:52.10 | litage | thanks SimonRaven |
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| 23:52.15 | antgel | !tell Zephiroth -about ask |
| 23:52.18 | cddesjar | antgel: well it seems like 0.8 |
| 23:52.21 | SimonRaven | heh |
| 23:52.24 | JeffH | anyone here have a good solution for backing up a windows XP system to a Linux server? |
| 23:52.29 | litage | what would cause iptables to take up to 1-2 minutes to "stop"? |
| 23:52.31 | shad0wcat | JeffH: you don't |
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| 23:52.46 | JeffH | no, I don't.. that's why I'm asking. |
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| 23:52.53 | Guerin | bah, why should I have to download the source tarball to find out the license |
| 23:52.53 | Gobo | so anyone have any ideas on where to look for hardcopies of source with a release? |
| 23:52.54 | shad0wcat | no I meant |
| 23:52.56 | Guerin | STUPIDS |
| 23:52.58 | shad0wcat | you DON'T |
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| 23:53.04 | Gobo | err hardcopies of docs* |
| 23:53.04 | JeffH | why not? |
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| 23:53.11 | antgel | JeffH: yep, remove windows, install linux, and use rsnapshot :) |
| 23:53.12 | shad0wcat | JeffH: because it's not supported |
| 23:53.27 | shad0wcat | there's no easy way to backup an XP install |
| 23:53.28 | gravity | Why couldn't you just use windows' automation stuff to copy stuff over SMB to the linux server? |
| 23:53.33 | JeffH | not an option till Linux supports the apps I use natively. |
| 23:53.42 | shad0wcat | gravity: you don't get it |
| 23:53.47 | shad0wcat | you can't "backup" an XP install |
| 23:53.47 | Zephiroth | antgel: I have a TV Capture device... and when is disconect -> audio works. |
| 23:53.51 | shad0wcat | you can backup your data |
| 23:53.56 | shad0wcat | but you can't backup an install |
| 23:54.01 | gravity | Ah, you mean like ghost |
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| 23:54.15 | shad0wcat | ghost isn't really a solution |
| 23:54.15 | antgel | shad0wcat: um, what about the backup tool? |
| 23:54.21 | shad0wcat | ghost is dd with a price tag on it |
| 23:54.23 | shad0wcat | that's about it |
| 23:54.23 | dondelelcaro | Gobo: AFAIK, there isn't really a good set of hardcopy documents; I've been meaning to play with one of the print on demand places to set the stuff up for the quick reference et al. but haven't had time. |
| 23:54.24 | nekostar | heh |
| 23:54.25 | lur | hello |
| 23:54.26 | gravity | Sure, but it works |
| 23:54.28 | Zephiroth | antgel: Which are the config files pleaze... |
| 23:54.33 | gravity | At least it did 5 years ago and apparently still today |
| 23:54.35 | shad0wcat | antgel: again, that just backs up files |
| 23:54.42 | shad0wcat | not the os |
| 23:54.44 | Gobo | ah. cool. thx don |
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| 23:54.48 | shad0wcat | you can't backup a registry in XP |
| 23:54.55 | Gobo | yes you can.... |
| 23:54.56 | antgel | Zephiroth: they are the files you edit to configure your applications |
| 23:54.56 | Mjelva | guys, i need to extract a rar archive. i'm seeing a lot of references on the internets to an app named unrar. however, 'apt-cache search unrar' reveals nada. |
| 23:54.58 | lur | I need some assistance in burning an alcohol 120% mdf and mds image thing under linux |
| 23:55.03 | shad0wcat | Gobo: no you can't |
| 23:55.04 | Gobo | there's an option to backup the registry in xp |
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| 23:55.05 | lur | mdf2iso does not work |
| 23:55.09 | dondelelcaro | Gobo: if you want a book; the debian bible and the debian system are two that are useful reading. |
| 23:55.10 | JeffH | well, I didn't really mean my whole system.. I meant my data. |
| 23:55.11 | Gobo | there's a program... it's hidden. |
| 23:55.15 | shad0wcat | you can't take your registry, pack it up, drag it to another ox |
| 23:55.16 | shad0wcat | box* |
| 23:55.17 | Tomze | Zephiroth, did you try to run alsaconf as root ? |
| 23:55.18 | Guerin | JeffH: i'd use cygwin and rsync/rsnapshot |
| 23:55.19 | shad0wcat | and expect it to work |
| 23:55.20 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Have you read madduck's book? |
| 23:55.24 | gravity | It looks good |
| 23:55.25 | antgel | shad0wcat: yes you can. backup tool does it. those years on efnet were well wpent :) |
| 23:55.26 | shad0wcat | the registry isn't the /etc dir |
| 23:55.32 | Gobo | oh. cloning doesn't work. but you can back it up |
| 23:55.34 | Zephiroth | no... |
| 23:55.36 | JeffH | Guerin: I'll look into that.. thanks. |
| 23:55.45 | dondelelcaro | gravity: yeah, I've got a copy sitting here, and helped read/edit two of the chapters |
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| 23:55.49 | shad0wcat | Gobo: sure you can copy the file the registry's in |
| 23:55.49 | gravity | Oh nice |
| 23:55.52 | shad0wcat | it won't do you any good |
| 23:55.56 | gravity | I looked at the bible at mako's place. It's Ok. |
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| 23:55.58 | Zephiroth | alsaconf, ok... any other file to check? |
| 23:56.01 | gravity | It's a pretty typical linux book. |
| 23:56.04 | Tomze | Zephiroth, try it whith your capture card in the PC.... works for me |
| 23:56.09 | shad0wcat | each install of XP generates unique identifiers in the registry |
| 23:56.16 | shad0wcat | which can't be duplicated on another install |
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| 23:56.26 | dondelelcaro | gravity: yeah; madduck's book is totally different; much more about the project and stuff than just the linux stuff. |
| 23:56.28 | Zephiroth | ok i'll try thanx |
| 23:56.29 | Tomze | Zephiroth, alsaconf is a command not a file |
| 23:56.31 | antgel | i read a pdf chapter on the net. looked great but nothing that can't be found out, um, here :) |
| 23:56.32 | shad0wcat | even if it's on the same machine |
| 23:56.39 | Zephiroth | :s |
| 23:56.40 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Right. It looks like it'd be useful even to really experienced people. |
| 23:56.45 | JeffH | I really liked the idea of dirvish.. but can't seem to get rsynch to work right on Windows. |
| 23:56.52 | lur | I need some assistance in burning an alcohol 120% mdf and mds image thing under linux |
| 23:56.56 | wd | use xkh for 32bits like system |
| 23:57.03 | shad0wcat | JeffH: if you really want help with XP, goto efnet and join one of the windows channels |
| 23:57.03 | gravity | dondelelcaro: You're not missing much |
| 23:57.09 | antgel | !tell lur about repeat |
| 23:57.11 | shad0wcat | I don't really like talking about windblows in here |
| 23:57.15 | shad0wcat | I come here to get away from that |
| 23:57.17 | mhall | dondelelcaro: i stay away from those |
| 23:57.18 | Mjelva | !unrar |
| 23:57.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, unrar is a non-free package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about unrar-free |
| 23:57.19 | shad0wcat | not to discuss it |
| 23:57.21 | Zephiroth | but there where can i find audio-config files? |
| 23:57.24 | Guerin | Mjelva: hrm, I see. Its lossy mode sacrifices a lot of quality at low bitrates in favour of high-bitrate and lossless |
| 23:57.30 | Zephiroth | i'm so new... :s |
| 23:57.32 | Mjelva | !unrar-free |
| 23:57.32 | dpkg | somebody said unrar-free was an unarchiver for .rar files that can't handle archives in the RAR 3.0 format, which is by far the most used RAR format (ask me about unrar for 3.0). in main unstable |
| 23:57.37 | gravity | God, libx11 is huge |
| 23:57.39 | *** part/#debian thingfish (n=mark@dialup-4.244.114.173.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net) |
| 23:57.45 | antgel | !tell Mjelva -about msg the bot |
| 23:57.47 | *** join/#debian windowlicker (n=x@193.120.103.94) |
| 23:57.48 | Guerin | !wayttd Zephiroth |
| 23:57.49 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Zephiroth? |
| 23:57.51 | *** join/#debian luulis (n=l@cs78239198.pp.htv.fi) |
| 23:57.52 | Mjelva | Guerin- sure, but who uses wavpack, or flac for lossy? |
| 23:57.55 | *** part/#debian thomas001 (n=thomas@a147097.studnetz.uni-leipzig.de) |
| 23:57.56 | dondelelcaro | lur: you're not making any sense. What exactly are you trying to do? |
| 23:58.00 | Gobo | anyway... thx all |
| 23:58.02 | mhall | gravity: not as bad as *gasp* java standard library |
| 23:58.07 | *** part/#debian JeffH (i=user@c-67-173-228-5.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 23:58.09 | *** part/#debian Gobo (n=zuppa@wve117.resnet.neu.edu) |
| 23:58.10 | gravity | mhall: Good thing I don't have to build that :-) |
| 23:58.13 | lur | I have the files for a homebrew dreamcast game |
| 23:58.15 | shad0wcat | mhall: that's bloated |
| 23:58.16 | Guerin | Mjelva: well, flac doesn't have a lossy mode, but yeah. |
| 23:58.17 | gravity | Neat |
| 23:58.18 | Mjelva | !tell antgel thx |
| 23:58.22 | lur | it is in alcohol 120% format |
| 23:58.26 | Zephiroth | First i gonna check... and i'll be back when i knew what is my problem... |
| 23:58.30 | lur | how do I burn it using linux? |
| 23:58.33 | mhall | shad0wcat: i don't think bloat quite completely describes it |
| 23:58.34 | Zephiroth | Thanx to all! |
| 23:58.37 | Guerin | lur: please explain in 50 words or fewer why we should care. |
| 23:58.40 | mebsd | hi |
| 23:58.41 | shad0wcat | lur: listen |
| 23:58.50 | gravity | lur: I don't know if that's possible. You may have to check freshmeat for a program that could convert it. |
| 23:58.53 | shad0wcat | alcohol 120% is a WINDOWS app |
| 23:58.57 | mhall | lur: if you want to burn it, try MDF2ISO |
| 23:59.02 | deus_ | ok, i have to choose the new intrid.img in lili.conf |
| 23:59.05 | deus_ | lilo |
| 23:59.07 | shad0wcat | so if you have an image created by that program, GO INSTALL WINDOWS |
| 23:59.10 | lur | I tried mdf2iso. Did not work properly |
| 23:59.10 | mhall | lur: it might not preserve the error correction that you need though |
| 23:59.11 | gravity | shad0wcat: Chill out |
| 23:59.16 | mebsd | alcohol is good, getting drunk is good |
| 23:59.24 | antgel | lur: fix mdf2iso |
| 23:59.25 | shad0wcat | gravity: I'm sick of all the windows questions |
| 23:59.26 | mhall | lur: yeah in your case then you are screwed |
| 23:59.27 | lur | mhall, it didn;t even create a proper iso image |
| 23:59.29 | mhall | lur: use vmware |
| 23:59.33 | shad0wcat | thsi is a LINUX channel |
| 23:59.38 | lur | I know |
| 23:59.39 | dondelelcaro | shad0wcat: so use /ignore... |
| 23:59.39 | mhall | lur: or ultraiso in WINE |
| 23:59.41 | shad0wcat | if you use windows, goto a windows chan |
| 23:59.41 | mebsd | what you guys up to |
| 23:59.42 | gravity | shad0wcat: It's a linux question. A pretty standard one if you go by "how do you read windows doc foo in linux?" |
| 23:59.43 | shad0wcat | plain and simple |
| 23:59.53 | lur | I do not use windows |
| 23:59.57 | lur | which is why I am asking here. |
