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| 00:01.42 | enveezee | I wonder if I can stop screen from catching a ^Q or a C-a ^Q ever |
| 00:01.46 | enveezee | its annoying |
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| 00:01.57 | ows | gravity: but to be more specific I want to convert from a bitmap images to gif formats (87a, 89, animation...) |
| 00:02.05 | enveezee | I use ^a^a to toggle between screens a lot and i hit that by accident sometimes |
| 00:02.15 | gravity | ows: imagemagick or gimp should do it |
| 00:02.22 | Tortel | i use crtl+alt+f# |
| 00:02.47 | enveezee | Tortel: that toggles virtual consoles not screens |
| 00:03.05 | Tortel | ... |
| 00:03.06 | Tortel | ok |
| 00:03.10 | Tortel | i still use it |
| 00:03.11 | Tortel | :P |
| 00:03.14 | ows | gravity: If I remenber it only converts to *.gif (doesn't say nothing 'bout version) |
| 00:03.14 | abrotman | imagemagick should definitely do it |
| 00:03.18 | stew | enveezee: put "bind ^q" in your .screenrc and ^a ^q will do nothing |
| 00:03.35 | gravity | ows: I don't know, sorry. I don't really do any sort of detailed graphics conversion. |
| 00:03.45 | enveezee | stew: a regular ^q could still lock me up though right? |
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| 00:04.01 | stew | enveezee: you mean ctrl-s? |
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| 00:04.17 | enveezee | stew: ah, yeah thats what I meant |
| 00:04.33 | Tortel | weee |
| 00:04.33 | stew | enveezee: hmm |
| 00:04.48 | jessicaNZ | hi, I'm installing woody and I need to make it bootable but I don't want lilo writing to the mbr, is there an option for that in the woody installer? |
| 00:05.10 | stew | enveezee: stty -ixon |
| 00:05.29 | enveezee | stew: I've been using a pc for like 15 years and never seen a use or a reason for that scroll lock key, and I dont know why we need an additional command for it :P |
| 00:05.37 | stew | and that is going in all my .{z|bash}rc files right now :) |
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| 00:06.12 | antgel | i never know what scroll lock was for. i assumed it was leftover from vt100 days |
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| 00:07.14 | enveezee | seriously |
| 00:07.17 | jessicaNZ | abrotman:because I have the cd's for it and I've already downloaded the packages to upgrade it to sarge and then etch |
| 00:07.18 | Tortel | !smite me |
| 00:07.24 | jessicaNZ | abrotman: because I have the cd's for it and I've already downloaded the packages to upgrade it to sarge and then etch |
| 00:07.28 | enveezee | its as useless as tits on a snake |
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| 00:07.46 | stew | now that i have a 1200 baud terminal the text moves faster than I can read though! |
| 00:07.49 | antgel | enveezee: don't know any tits |
| 00:07.57 | abrotman | jessicaNZ: are you serious? :) |
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| 00:08.04 | jessicaNZ | yes |
| 00:08.05 | antgel | s/know/knock |
| 00:08.08 | abrotman | jessicaNZ: do you have broadband ? |
| 00:08.13 | jessicaNZ | no |
| 00:08.17 | abrotman | hrm ... |
| 00:08.27 | antgel | abrotman: grapefruit |
| 00:08.36 | abrotman | jessicaNZ: why not write lilo to MBR ? |
| 00:08.43 | abrotman | antgel: i had .. a gyro for lunch |
| 00:09.05 | antgel | abrotman: i don't know what that is. you guys have such advanced food :) |
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| 00:09.20 | abrotman | antgel: kebob ? |
| 00:09.30 | jessicaNZ | abrotman: because I also have an ubuntu install and I want ubuntu's GRUB to control the mbr |
| 00:09.41 | abrotman | antgel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyro |
| 00:09.50 | antgel | abrotman: nice. |
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| 00:10.08 | ows | abrotman: IMdisplay only saves to jpeg.. are you talkin' 'bout convert binary? |
| 00:10.08 | antgel | abrotman: i think we can all see wikipedia's failings at a stroke, there :) |
| 00:10.11 | abrotman | jessicaNZ: i'm pretty sure(been a while since i installed woody) .. but i htink you can just have woody NOT install lilo .. i htink it asks you at the end |
| 00:10.19 | abrotman | ows: yes .. i think so |
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| 00:10.32 | abrotman | antgel: why .. ti's a gyro! |
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| 00:11.03 | zu22 | !burp |
| 00:11.07 | kmilo | anyone plays phantasia: ssh phantasia@201.245.229.129 |
| 00:11.09 | abrotman | hrm .. /me has a hunch tonight's dinner won't be as yummy as last night's |
| 00:11.14 | abrotman | antgel: a wikipedia ? |
| 00:11.18 | litage | how does one obtain/install the ahci module? |
| 00:11.30 | antgel | abrotman: indeed |
| 00:11.40 | abrotman | uhci or echi ? |
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| 00:11.47 | zu22 | jessica is a kiwi?:) |
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| 00:12.01 | jessicaNZ | yes |
| 00:12.03 | antgel | wow, i'm an aussie |
| 00:12.04 | zu22 | cool |
| 00:12.11 | jessicaNZ | are you one too? |
| 00:12.14 | zu22 | it seems very lovely landscapes u have there |
| 00:12.14 | enveezee | ripping music seems like so much more work then stealing it off p2p |
| 00:12.20 | zu22 | nah i am an american |
| 00:12.21 | abrotman | let's make her talk to guerin in kiwi-ese |
| 00:12.22 | enveezee | though I know I am getting a good copy |
| 00:12.29 | abrotman | !u |
| 00:12.29 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 00:12.35 | stew | !kiwismite abrotman |
| 00:12.36 | ows | abrotman: how can I specify the version of gif to convert: convert image.jpg image.gif? |
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| 00:12.50 | antgel | did i say aussie, i meant pom |
| 00:12.50 | zu22 | abrotman: haha |
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| 00:13.04 | zu22 | jessicanz: LOTR was filmed there i read |
| 00:13.05 | abrotman | ows: http://www.imagemagick.org/script/convert.php .. has no info ? |
| 00:13.17 | ows | it seems |
| 00:13.22 | jessicaNZ | yes it was |
| 00:13.26 | ows | where? |
| 00:13.35 | enveezee | I sure hope this rips digitally.. cause I dont have an audio cable hooked up |
| 00:13.35 | antgel | stew: what's a taiaha? i'd ask abrotman but he'd only direct me to a low-quality online encyclopedia |
| 00:13.37 | jessicaNZ | I never saw any of the actors though |
| 00:13.43 | zu22 | jessicanz: ah |
| 00:13.45 | jessicaNZ | all over the place |
| 00:13.48 | mike_sol | wow that's fun the other admin just pulled a scsi card out of a production server while it was running |
| 00:13.53 | mike_sol | that's a bad thing i think |
| 00:13.55 | stew | antgel: i haven't the foggiest, ask one of the resident kiwis |
| 00:13.56 | abrotman | antgel: uncyclopedia.org :) |
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| 00:14.08 | enveezee | cdparanoia is making faces at my cd |
| 00:14.17 | antgel | jessicaNZ: what's a taiaha? |
| 00:14.20 | abrotman | mike_sol: depends on the hardware |
| 00:14.30 | antgel | enveezee: give it a good rub. the cd, that is |
| 00:14.35 | stew | and the contents of the drives attached! |
| 00:14.36 | zu22 | mike_sol: he should be fired! |
| 00:14.59 | abrotman | !yinzersmite zu22 |
| 00:15.17 | mike_sol | well it was loose already so he wiggled it |
| 00:15.27 | enveezee | antgel: sounds like what my cousin told me when I was working for him learning construction. I think I was tearing off aluminium siding or something one day and he turns to me and says "Beat it, and it will come" |
| 00:15.39 | mike_sol | it's all fine now. no hotpluggability, the machine threw an MCE and rebooted |
| 00:15.40 | zu22 | abrotman: yinz kin go dahntahn and get some chipped ham aht primanti's |
| 00:15.42 | jessicaNZ | antgel: I don't know |
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| 00:15.56 | abrotman | zu22: i don't really like primanti bros .. take enveezee |
| 00:15.56 | enveezee | antgel: so many things he said to me were univerally good advice, and if taken out of context are pretty funny |
| 00:15.59 | antgel | jessicaNZ: some kiwi :) |
| 00:16.06 | zu22 | abrotman: oh heh |
| 00:16.16 | posi | has enttec protocol sound to somebody? |
| 00:16.27 | enveezee | what makes you think I like Primanti Bros |
| 00:16.28 | antgel | abrotman: construction is fun. i was knocking my lounge and kitchen into one room until i split with the gf |
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| 00:16.38 | abrotman | enveezee: you don't even know if you do |
| 00:16.41 | stew | antgel: aprantly its a a Maori war weapon |
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| 00:16.48 | abrotman | antgel: and then you told enveezee ? |
| 00:16.54 | enveezee | I like the Primadonna.. and I found a new resturant (italian) actually its a bar.. and its way cheaper and tastes good. |
| 00:17.12 | ows | abrotman: have you ever used imagemagick converter any help to convert to gif87a would be appreciated :) |
| 00:17.19 | dli | any tool to determine NIC in work? ethernet and wireless |
| 00:17.30 | antgel | stew: like that. obscure smites rock |
| 00:17.42 | abrotman | ows: not to do exactly what you're trying to do .. just basic conversions |
| 00:17.53 | abrotman | ows: but why gif87 ? |
| 00:17.54 | beardy | dli: lspci? |
| 00:18.24 | ows | abrotman: cause I need to debug my jpeg, png to gif87a converter |
| 00:18.24 | zu22 | A Walt Disney Co. VP just said that pirated DVDs are "better than the drug business" in refering the lucrative nature of the perceived criminality |
| 00:18.40 | enveezee | if you are trying to have a nice dinner for two I would still recommend the primadonna, better make sure you got a lot of money.. but the Joes or whatever the fuck it was called was just as good and was a much cheaper little bar I found out in robinson somewhere |
| 00:18.53 | dli | beardy, no, I want network to be auto, if ethernet is connected, bring it up, if not, try wireless |
| 00:18.56 | abrotman | ows: oh .. ok |
| 00:19.02 | antgel | ows: why are you writing one if convert does it? |
| 00:19.05 | mike_sol | zu22, i like to buy weed, get high, and watch pirated disney movies |
| 00:19.05 | abrotman | ows: maybe gimp ? |
| 00:19.08 | mike_sol | does that make me a sinner |
| 00:19.27 | zu22 | enveezee: lots of nice places for that but it will cost you, there are a ton in just teh South Side alone, Mallorca, Abruzzi's, Le Pomier, etc.. |
| 00:19.29 | antgel | mike_sol: more of a stoner |
| 00:19.38 | ows | antgel: so, if it does how can I convert to gif87a? |
| 00:19.39 | mike_sol | also the movies aren't disney. they may be porn involving disney characters, but those are unlicensed, so its different from piracy |
| 00:19.44 | stew | mike_sol: i don't recall any of that being mentioned in any commandments or anything |
| 00:19.45 | beardy | dli: Ah, misunderstood you. |
| 00:19.59 | mike_sol | stew, thats what i needed to hear |
| 00:20.06 | antgel | ows: fucked if i know. man convert? is gif87a different from .gif? |
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| 00:20.19 | zu22 | mike_sol: ummmm |
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| 00:20.40 | enveezee | zu22: yeah well I live a few miles north of the burg near sewickley, so I go to Monte Cellows in Sewickley, or to Primadonna in McKees Rocks and stay out of the city |
| 00:20.47 | ows | antgel: yeah, by default it's gif89a |
| 00:20.47 | Vilerage | hey, if I want 2.6.10, (without a lotta fuss) would I have to upgrade to testing or unstable? |
| 00:20.51 | zu22 | uh oh lots of lightning, high winds and rain getting heavy now |
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| 00:20.58 | zu22 | better go offline now cause no UPS :) |
| 00:21.05 | mike_sol | zu22, come on, you know you like princesse jasmine |
| 00:21.08 | antgel | ows: is there a #imagemagick? |
| 00:21.09 | zu22 | enveezee: ah |
| 00:21.12 | zu22 | mike_sol: haha |
| 00:21.13 | enveezee | its calm here right now |
| 00:21.20 | antgel | Vilerage: 2.6.10 isn't in debian |
| 00:21.21 | enveezee | the winds and rain didnt last long |
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| 00:21.28 | ows | antgel: no |
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| 00:21.41 | Vilerage | antgel, last time I went sid it was, i'm trying to avoid that atm however ;] |
| 00:21.50 | zu22 | enveezee; looks like the worst of it is north of pittsburgh so that's good for us |
| 00:21.59 | Vilerage | altho, i'm sure it coulda been removed by now ;] |
| 00:22.02 | antgel | Vilerage: i'm pretty sure it's not in debian. p.d.o |
| 00:22.08 | enveezee | zu22: are you in the city? |
| 00:22.18 | zu22 | enveezee; they said thunderstorm warning in effect for next 5 hours, that must be a big ass storm system to last that long or it moving verry sloww |
| 00:22.24 | mac__ | what does it mean when a package (e.g., "amarok") exists in stable, in unstable, but not in testing? |
| 00:22.24 | zu22 | enveezee: ya in South Hills |
| 00:22.36 | mebsd | zu22: where you at |
| 00:22.42 | antgel | Vilerage: the last sid kernel to install on sarge without fuss was 2.6.12. 2.6.14 requires that you backport yaird |
| 00:22.43 | enveezee | zu22: I'm in Leetsdale |
| 00:22.43 | zu22 | mebsd: Dormont |
| 00:22.52 | zu22 | enveezee: cool |
| 00:22.59 | antgel | !why is amarok not in testing |
| 00:23.00 | zu22 | mebsd: where you? |
| 00:23.00 | dpkg | amarok is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=amarok |
| 00:23.10 | Vilerage | antgel, cool, 2.6.12 would work ;] 2.6.8 doesen't support a stupid usb <-> serial driver ;] |
| 00:23.14 | Vilerage | thanks ;] |
| 00:23.15 | enveezee | zu22: my radar shows a nice sized 100 mile or so storm front just crossing over the city |
| 00:23.16 | mebsd | zu22: Markham |
| 00:23.22 | enveezee | s/100/1000/ |
| 00:23.29 | zu22 | enveezee: how fast is storm moving? |
| 00:23.45 | zu22 | enveezee: 1,000 mile storm! whoa that is very big |
| 00:24.04 | Vilerage | wow |
| 00:24.11 | cheal | mac__: often it means that the version in testing was discovered or became RC-buggy. typically, uninstallable |
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| 00:24.16 | enveezee | zu22: I am not looking at the moving one. and I only update every half hour usually. its running diagonally its only about probably 50 miles wide tops where its crossing us |
| 00:24.47 | enveezee | zu22: nm, winds are southwest and its comming diagonally down from the north east.. |
| 00:24.59 | enveezee | zu22: os it looks like the whole fucking thing is comming our way |
| 00:25.14 | enveezee | zu22: SW 17.3mph out of wheeling |
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| 00:25.29 | zu22 | enveezee: eek, when will it be clear of us? |
| 00:25.33 | mac__ | antgel: thx! that's a great page/webapp! |
| 00:25.53 | sanoj | antgel & Vilerage: I maintain yaird officially and have a backport for sarge at http://debian.jones.dk/ - tell me if you need the exact URL |
| 00:25.55 | enveezee | zu22: NWS has a tornado watch in effect until 10PM EST |
| 00:26.22 | mac__ | cheal: thx... yeah, seems it's because it's waiting on gcc4.0 package... |
| 00:26.26 | antgel | sanoj: wish you told me before i built the vanilla 2.6.14 :) |
| 00:26.42 | antgel | mac__: yes, it's great. one of my personal faves even though i don't use testing |
| 00:26.45 | enveezee | zu22: as big as it is, if the winds stay steady at SW 10-20mph it could be sweeping thorough on to the early morning I imagine it streches as far as my 600 mile radar shows |
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| 00:27.49 | zu22 | enveezee: whoa |
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| 00:28.21 | zu22 | enveezee: the unseasonably high temperatures and the high humidity is fueling the storm |
| 00:28.46 | enveezee | zu22: looks like a lightning bolt of color on my radar |
| 00:28.48 | d03boy | i think its the revelation |
| 00:29.05 | enveezee | its running straight down through the states |
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| 00:29.46 | zu22 | enveezee: run for the bunker! |
| 00:29.55 | enveezee | zu22: I dont have to run far |
| 00:29.59 | enveezee | I am in the basement |
| 00:30.04 | zu22 | :D |
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| 00:31.17 | enveezee | zu22: this old house (which was a store my famly owned some 30 years or so ago) you enter on the 3rd floor on the top street, and there are two floors below. we are on the east ridge of the Quaker/Ohio valley with the back of the house facing the river.. most of the bottom two floors is under ground |
| 00:32.04 | enveezee | zu22: we found a small stone room like I'd say maybe 8x8ft and about 5 or so ft high behind the basement wall.. the room was burried under the house |
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| 00:32.35 | enveezee | zu22: old moonshine shelter, bomb shelter, entrance to the underground railroad.. who knows :P |
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| 00:32.47 | zu22 | enveezee: cool |
| 00:32.52 | Vilerage | hmm, any real reason why upgrading to Testing/Sarge would be bad? |
| 00:33.22 | abrotman | because testing isn't sarge |
| 00:33.24 | Ronin | Vilerage: other then sarge isnt testing its stable? |
| 00:33.30 | gravity | Sarge was released. It was very exciting. |
| 00:33.32 | Vilerage | ahh lol |
| 00:33.43 | enveezee | me too |
| 00:33.45 | abrotman | gravity: did you do cartwheels ? |
| 00:33.47 | enveezee | but I run sarge |
| 00:33.53 | Vilerage | well then, anything bad about upgrading to testing? ;] |
| 00:33.57 | enveezee | I just dont have a cell phone, and email address, or a gps |
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| 00:34.13 | enveezee | or even a usercloak :P |
| 00:34.14 | abrotman | Vilerage: yes .. stuff breaks |
| 00:34.21 | Vilerage | enveezee, lol, funny thing is, i'm going thru all this to get a GPS working ;] |
| 00:34.28 | enveezee | gotta bug lilo or someone about that |
| 00:35.05 | abrotman | enveezee: there are other staff here |
| 00:35.07 | Tortel | laa |
| 00:35.09 | Vilerage | abrotman, fair enough, *cancels* |
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| 00:35.16 | abrotman | cancels ? |
| 00:35.20 | phaedral | hi all; finally got a clean sarge install on this desktop machine, but seem to have lost the ability to use startx -- :1 to let my fiance's X session be up and waiting for her; any clues? |
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| 00:35.42 | enveezee | abrotman: I know UdontKnow and LSorensen hang out in here too |
| 00:35.45 | abrotman | Vilerage: i mean .. if you can live without k3b for a few days .. that's your decision |
| 00:35.52 | abrotman | enveezee: among others |
| 00:35.55 | phaedral | s/finace/wife/; got married last week; still not used to it |
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| 00:36.02 | enveezee | abrotman: and alindeman and there is yossarian in #flood |
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| 00:36.10 | abrotman | enveezee: among others :) |
| 00:36.14 | Vilerage | k3b? dunno what it is even, so my guess it yes ;] |
| 00:36.15 | Ronin | phaedral: just dont make that mistake around her :) |
| 00:36.27 | phaedral | heh; she's forgiving, but I don't want to test it |
| 00:36.27 | enveezee | abrotman: those are the ones I know the most |
| 00:36.34 | abrotman | enveezee: i know you know at least one more |
| 00:36.42 | enveezee | abrotman: I bother lilo, cause he feels the need to global and wallops msg me all the time :P |
| 00:36.48 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:36.53 | phaedral | Vilerage: k3b killer cd/dvd burner for linux |
| 00:36.59 | abrotman | it's crap |
| 00:37.01 | abrotman | err krap |
| 00:37.04 | Vilerage | ahh |
| 00:37.05 | enveezee | or if I think hes sleeping I talk to UdontKnow |
| 00:37.10 | Vilerage | yea, no burner here ;] |
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| 00:37.30 | phaedral | abrotman: k3b crap? really? I couldn't get by without it---but you're a bit sharper than me on such |
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| 00:37.43 | Vilerage | i'm somewhere between installing a Testing kernel, or just saying fsckit and upgrading to testing ;] |
| 00:37.47 | gravity | k3b is nice |
| 00:37.55 | abrotman | phaedral: have you tried arson ? .. i'm trying to find someone who has |
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| 00:37.58 | enveezee | abrotman: I've talked to Tim a few times is he on freenode staff? |
| 00:38.07 | phaedral | no; is it in sarge? |
| 00:38.07 | abrotman | enveezee: dunno .. but there's another! |
| 00:38.11 | abrotman | !info arson sarge |
| 00:38.12 | phaedral | i'm game to give it a whirl |
| 00:38.14 | abrotman | !info arson etch |
| 00:38.19 | dpkg | arson: (KDE frontend for burning CDs), section otherosfs, is extra. Version: 0.9.8beta2-4 (sarge), Packaged size: 538 kB, Installed size: 1784 kB |
| 00:38.22 | dpkg | arson: (KDE frontend for burning CDs), section otherosfs, is extra. Version: 0.9.8beta2-4.1 (etch), Packaged size: 516 kB, Installed size: 1720 kB |
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| 00:38.26 | abrotman | woohoo |
| 00:38.30 | enveezee | abrotman: I talked to him mostly about bzflag and blootbot |
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| 00:38.33 | abrotman | beta stuffs! |
| 00:38.39 | enveezee | abrotman: I know asuffield |
| 00:38.43 | enveezee | if thats who you mean |
| 00:38.46 | abrotman | no |
| 00:38.50 | abrotman | you already said him :) |
| 00:39.05 | abrotman | er .. no you said another a* one |
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| 00:39.22 | phaedral | arson/etch cd only? |
| 00:39.46 | enveezee | abrotman: no I said LSorensen, UdontKnow, lilo, yossarian, and alindeman |
| 00:39.56 | enveezee | abrotman: and I think timriker is too |
| 00:39.59 | abrotman | enveezee: there's another .. who actually talks in here :) |
| 00:40.06 | enveezee | he seems do do a little of everything |
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| 00:40.27 | enveezee | he sure pointed me the right direction on getting my sony ps controller working in bzflag |
| 00:40.33 | enveezee | that kicked ass |
| 00:41.00 | enveezee | I want a good video card and either another USB PS adapter or a controller that has the same layout |
| 00:41.10 | phaedral | abrotman: is it fair to ask what the beef is with k3b? maybe msg me if it's too OT? |
| 00:41.22 | abrotman | phaedral: no .. i'm actually not a KDE person |
| 00:41.33 | abrotman | phaedral: i was just looking for a review of arson |
| 00:41.40 | phaedral | no worries |
| 00:41.45 | enveezee | abrotman: asuffield and LSorensen talk in here |
| 00:41.47 | abrotman | phaedral: even though arson is still a kde/qt app |
| 00:41.56 | abrotman | enveezee: a different one you haven't mentioned! |
| 00:42.06 | phaedral | on opening it the first time arson told me it would barf if I was trying to burn ogg on the fly |
| 00:42.18 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:42.25 | Firestarter2 | is there anyone that can join #flood and give me some advice on an ftape compile error? |
| 00:42.26 | phaedral | i kind of lean in the ogg direction |
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| 00:42.30 | rapsys | hy |
| 00:42.42 | Firestarter2 | it sayes it can't find modversions.h |
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| 00:42.49 | enveezee | abrotman: rez |
| 00:42.53 | rapsys | anyone know how to get the symbol list of a library ? |
| 00:43.09 | abrotman | enveezee: one you *didn't* say :) |
| 00:43.11 | gravity | rapsys: readelf I think... and objdump |
| 00:43.23 | enveezee | abrotman: I didnt say rez or LoRez before |
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| 00:43.31 | enveezee | abrotman: your short term memory sucks |
| 00:43.37 | rapsys | gravity: some howto or command line ? |
| 00:43.41 | abrotman | enveezee: richi ? |
| 00:43.43 | gravity | rapsys: manpages and google |
| 00:43.45 | enveezee | abrotman: there is RichiH too |
| 00:43.49 | abrotman | finally! |
| 00:43.54 | gravity | rapsys: Also the binutils package docs |
| 00:43.58 | rapsys | gravity: I would did it... |
| 00:44.01 | enveezee | abrotman: and xdr |
| 00:44.05 | enveezee | abrotman: er xdsg |
| 00:44.09 | abrotman | yes .. him too |
| 00:44.20 | enveezee | or xsdg |
| 00:44.22 | enveezee | or whatever |
| 00:44.28 | rapsys | but if you did send me the right commande directly I would have prefer... |
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| 00:44.34 | gravity | rapsys: I don't remember it |
| 00:44.41 | gravity | rapsys: I just know which tools to use at this point |
| 00:44.46 | gravity | rapsys: You're on your own. Sorry. |
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| 00:45.18 | rapsys | gravity: that a lot of help to know where to search... |
| 00:45.29 | gravity | What? |
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| 00:45.48 | RichiH | enveezee: i am a myth |
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| 00:45.52 | gravity | _paco_: Don't do that |
| 00:45.54 | gravity | Fucker |
| 00:45.55 | RichiH | i am on it |
| 00:45.56 | enveezee | heh |
| 00:46.15 | enveezee | RichiH: you can do it! k-line that fool |
| 00:46.17 | abrotman | on what ? |
| 00:46.19 | enveezee | :P |
| 00:46.33 | abrotman | RichiH: KILL! |
| 00:46.33 | enveezee | abrotman: on your toes |
| 00:46.34 | fbi | what the hell kind of idiot would version 728 users |
| 00:46.44 | RichiH | enveezee: i know i can |
| 00:46.45 | RichiH | i won |
| 00:46.46 | abrotman | i doubt RichiH wants to dance withme |
| 00:46.47 | rapsys | gravity: found it : readelf --symbols |
| 00:46.53 | gravity | rapsys: Cool |
| 00:46.54 | RichiH | 't do it without a good reason, though ;) |
| 00:46.56 | phaedral | okay; i'm lost; where's the faq to tell me what just happened? |
| 00:46.56 | enveezee | fbi: one who wants to quit: exess flood |
| 00:47.06 | fbi | heh |
| 00:47.33 | enveezee | phaedral: you mean what just happened in irc? |
| 00:47.42 | phaedral | yeah; i'm clueless |
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| 00:48.07 | rapsys | gravity: around 3000 symbols |
| 00:48.12 | rapsys | pro php5 lib |
| 00:48.15 | enveezee | phaedral: some idiot came in and requested that everyone tell them their client's version using a Client-To-Client Protocol command on #debian then left |
| 00:48.15 | phaedral | paco did something bad...that i gathered |
| 00:48.19 | rapsys | I have work... |
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| 00:48.33 | phaedral | enveezee: thanks |
| 00:48.44 | phaedral | that's enough for me to google to a deeper understanding... |
| 00:48.51 | rapsys | for php5 lib : 5000 symbols, to version all of them I have work... |
| 00:48.55 | enveezee | phaedral: its stupid and impolite to use CTCP excessivly |
| 00:49.00 | abrotman | phaedral: it's a internet ettiquite thing |
| 00:49.05 | abrotman | an internet |
| 00:49.05 | RichiH | enveezee: |
| 00:49.06 | RichiH | you need to set up your nick completely as shown on freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup - this means both a linked nick and a valid email for the primary nick |
| 00:49.22 | enveezee | RichiH: yeah one day I will get a damn email address |
| 00:49.41 | RichiH | enveezee: a normal one would suffice |
| 00:49.52 | enveezee | RichiH: I dont have one at all right now |
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| 00:50.06 | RichiH | o_O |
| 00:50.11 | enveezee | :P |
| 00:50.26 | Firestarter2 | is there a way to fix the following error |
| 00:50.27 | abrotman | RichiH: thank goodness for freenode's memoserv :) |
| 00:50.28 | Firestarter2 | In file included from ftape_syms.c:1: |
| 00:50.28 | Firestarter2 | ../../include/linux/modftversions.h:10: linux/modversions.h: No such file |
| 00:50.28 | Firestarter2 | make[2]: *** [ftape_syms.o] Error 1 |
| 00:50.40 | abrotman | !tell Firestarter2 about search |
| 00:50.51 | enveezee | yeah memoserv is nice |
| 00:50.56 | RichiH | abrotman: did i send you sth? |
| 00:50.58 | enveezee | I tell my friends to register so they can use it |
| 00:51.09 | abrotman | RichiH: no .. only resiak sends me stuff :) |
| 00:51.11 | enveezee | then I can drop them msg when they are offline |
| 00:51.12 | abrotman | oh wait .. did oyu ? |
| 00:51.27 | enveezee | memoserv is my email |
| 00:51.29 | enveezee | heh |
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| 00:51.35 | abrotman | RichiH: oh .. i love you too! |
| 00:51.43 | RichiH | enveezee: well, get gmail or sth |
| 00:51.45 | enveezee | memoserv@irc.freenode.net |
| 00:51.50 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:51.50 | enveezee | :) |
| 00:51.52 | RichiH | ah wait, you need an email address for that |
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| 00:52.32 | ruied | how can I set a user so when he creates a file he belongs to a certain group with certain permissions? |
| 00:52.53 | enveezee | RichiH: comcast probably allows us several free mailboxes I just got to activate one I guess |
| 00:52.58 | abrotman | ruied: you can make that his default group |
| 00:53.05 | RichiH | most likely |
| 00:53.08 | abrotman | enveezee: yahoo? gmail ? |
| 00:53.21 | Micheas | Does anyone know the paramaters to pass e1000 to get it to work at 100baseT? |
| 00:53.26 | enveezee | I've had so much fun learning other things I havent bothered trying to fight spam in the past few years |
| 00:53.36 | stew | ruied: by default he creates in his default group, if he wants to create something in a different group of which he is a member he can run "newgrp group" first, if you want to force files in a directory to inherit the directories group ownership, set the directory g+s |
| 00:53.37 | enveezee | last I used email it was just a PITA |
| 00:53.38 | wang | how do i make debian use beep media player to play mp3's instead of totem? |
| 00:53.49 | abrotman | wang: in nautilus ? |
| 00:53.51 | enveezee | I know more now though |
| 00:54.00 | wang | i don't use nautilus usually |
| 00:54.06 | stew | ruied: what permissions he creates with is affected by umask ; /msg dpkg umask ; man umask |
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| 00:54.12 | enveezee | email is just sloppy |
| 00:54.15 | abrotman | wang: how are you launching the player? |
| 00:54.15 | stew | ruied: and look at the Permissions page in the FAQ |
| 00:54.19 | abrotman | enveezee: do you want a darn gmail account ? |
| 00:54.29 | zu22 | is there a website that lists homepages of #debian participants? |
| 00:54.33 | enveezee | the servers will just deliver anything anywhere from anyone |
| 00:54.36 | ruied | thaks alot! :) |
| 00:54.38 | zu22 | i found one for #lisp |
| 00:54.38 | phaedral | abrotman: gotta have some email to get a gmail, don'tcha? |
| 00:54.45 | abrotman | phaedral: no |
| 00:54.48 | wang | well i'm going through my mp3 collection and deleting stuff i don't want, i'm using the default file browsing app that debian loads into the toolbar upon installation |
| 00:54.50 | enveezee | abrotman: *shrug* |
| 00:55.00 | phaedral | ? learn something everyday |
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| 00:55.05 | abrotman | wang: that's so vague :) |
| 00:55.07 | phaedral | i only know how to "invite" via email |
| 00:55.22 | phaedral | s/invite/viral market/ |
| 00:55.25 | abrotman | phaedral: send yourself the invite .. give nvz the url |
| 00:55.25 | zu22 | is there a sort of #debian channel wiki that lists participants website addresses? |
| 00:55.26 | phaedral | :) |
| 00:55.29 | wang | abrotman : so there's not one internal system that controls file associate? that seems odd to me |
| 00:55.32 | phaedral | doh |
| 00:55.40 | abrotman | wang: there might be something in /etc/alternatives ? |
| 00:55.46 | phaedral | enveezee: you want gmail? |
| 00:55.54 | fbi | abrotman: gmail hacker! |
| 00:56.00 | Metrics | wang: Or mailcap? |
| 00:56.04 | abrotman | wang: in nautilus .. right click and choose open with .. and select the player you want .. that's how i know to change it for gnome |
| 00:56.05 | eeyore- | hmm, who would have thought your votes does count ... http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/11/09/evolution.intelligentdesign.ap/index.html ("intelligent design school board voted out") |
| 00:56.10 | FlimFlamMan | what's the best way to syncronize one drive with another on a daily basis? they're both on the same machine. |
| 00:56.13 | eeyore- | s/does/do |
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| 00:56.16 | abrotman | eeyore-: that's about 1.5 hours from me :) |
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| 00:56.35 | eeyore- | abrotman: you voted them out? |
| 00:56.42 | abrotman | eeyore-: no .. but i would have :) |
| 00:56.48 | Tortel | inteligent design is BS |
| 00:56.56 | abrotman | FlimFlamMan: tar/rsync/dd ? |
| 00:56.57 | Tortel | :| |
| 00:56.58 | Micheas | Does anyone have a suggestion of where to go to get info on setting up gigabit ethernet cards? |
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| 00:57.01 | EmleyMoor | FlimFlamMan: Any reason why it's not a RAID mirror? Failing that, choose a quiet time and use tar |
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| 00:57.06 | abrotman | mii-tool , etherconf |
| 00:57.08 | repp_ | intelligent design is not BS; it just isn't science. |
| 00:57.10 | eeyore- | Micheas: setting up how? |
| 00:57.18 | Tortel | same |
| 00:57.23 | Guerin | repp_: waay offtopic |
| 00:57.24 | eeyore- | Micheas: plugging it in and it works? |
| 00:57.25 | phaedral | and i was worried my questions about k3b were OT |
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| 00:57.36 | phaedral | oh, look, Guerin *is* listening |
| 00:57.37 | phaedral | ;) |
| 00:57.41 | Micheas | I need to load the modules so they don't give me a bunch of errors |
| 00:57.53 | eeyore- | Micheas: show me some of the errors you speak of |
| 00:57.55 | harfooz | msg dpkg k3b |
| 00:57.56 | wang | ugh nautilus is so latent |
| 00:58.05 | Micheas | I can netboot with the cards :-) |
| 00:58.07 | eeyore- | wang: you mean slow? |
| 00:58.08 | phaedral | harfooz: thanks |
| 00:58.17 | rob3rx | alguien sabe porque rayos las ventanas de algunos programas me salen mas grandes que mi pantalla? como puedo arreglarlo? |
| 00:58.21 | fbi | !es |
| 00:58.22 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 00:58.31 | harfooz | phaedral, sorry -- I'm having my own burning problems with k3b, and I simply left off the / |
| 00:58.36 | Micheas | I can not get the cards to work with debian at 100 base T |
| 00:58.38 | wang | eeyore- : if you prefer lamens terms sure |
| 00:58.38 | harfooz | sorry 'bout that. |
| 00:58.39 | phaedral | no worries |
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| 00:58.48 | FlimFlamMan | EmleyMoor, abrotman: one directory is an ongoing rdiff-backup of another server, and is already on RAID. the other directory is just a big cheap IDE drive that i want to sync with the rdiff-backup and take off-premises nightly. |
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| 00:59.12 | tuxuser19 | how to get the ip address of my pc? |
| 00:59.32 | Tortel | www.whatismyip.com |
| 00:59.40 | eeyore- | wang: because "latent" means "not visible, not apparent" or "existing but not representing symptoms" (medical) |
| 00:59.46 | fbi | tuxuser19: ifconfig -a ? |
| 00:59.47 | abrotman | FlimFlamMan: tar/rsync/dd ? |
| 00:59.52 | enveezee | fbi: thats like saying I dont understand why Van Gough used so many colors |
| 00:59.58 | phaedral | fbi: to keep people like me from asking, "What did that say?" |
| 00:59.59 | dli | tuxuser19, for local IP, "ifconfig" |
| 01:00.05 | eeyore- | want: so .... you mean "nautilus is not visible, not apparent" or "nautilus exists but doesn't represent symptoms"? |
| 01:00.07 | harfooz | anyone got time for some help with cd burning? |
| 01:00.13 | fbi | enveezee: i prefer black and white art anyway. |
| 01:00.16 | wang | eeyore- : either way it froze, so both are applicable, but thanks for the attempted geek nostril flaring |
| 01:00.21 | phaedral | harfooz: i'm no guru, but k3b has been good to me |
| 01:00.22 | EmleyMoor | harfooz: What's the problem? |
| 01:00.27 | rob3rx | jejeje, sorry, wrong channel |
| 01:00.29 | Micheas | "failed irq status error" is a common error |
| 01:00.35 | EmleyMoor | I have used mainly cdrecord and cdrdao |
| 01:00.40 | eeyore- | wang: just trying to give you the penultimate in relevant answers |
| 01:00.42 | harfooz | EmleyMoor, I've run out of things to try to get it to burn. |
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| 01:01.04 | harfooz | I know the hardware is capable of burning, 'cause it has with several other distros. |
| 01:01.08 | wang | eeyore- : you mean flaring geek nostrils |
| 01:01.09 | phaedral | harfooz: so you've got k3b running? |
| 01:01.12 | EmleyMoor | "things to try to get it to burn" - what do you mean? You are being very vague |
| 01:01.12 | Micheas | transmit timed out is another common error. |
| 01:01.17 | wang | thank God for ignore |
| 01:01.17 | harfooz | yes -- but it won't burn |
| 01:01.20 | phaedral | are you sarge/testing/what? |
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| 01:01.25 | harfooz | Sarge |
| 01:01.31 | eeyore- | wang: go ahead :-) ignore at your own risk |
| 01:01.33 | FlimFlamMan | abrotman, you wouldn't narrow down the choices based on the nature of the data? |
| 01:01.38 | enveezee | fbi: you are missing the point that regaurdless of your self centered point of view, there are other people who see these things, the msg you mentioned, the paintings I mentioned.. |
| 01:01.39 | phaedral | okay; lemme fire mine up see what I can think of... |
| 01:01.41 | wang | abrotman : thanks btw, that ironed it out well |
| 01:01.46 | abrotman | yay |
| 01:01.46 | EmleyMoor | harfooz: OK - what have you tried and what happened when you did? |
| 01:01.51 | harfooz | I've tried both stock 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 kernels |
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| 01:02.01 | fbi | enveezee: once again, you lost me |
| 01:02.01 | harfooz | Let me point to some output I posted. |
| 01:02.04 | abrotman | FlimFlamMan: they all perform differently |
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| 01:02.17 | phaedral | harfooz: trying to burn audio or iso or "data" |
| 01:02.18 | Daishi | how do you enable the debian package popularity thing? |
| 01:02.21 | abrotman | FlimFlamMan: you sohuld know what tar and dd do :) |
| 01:02.23 | harfooz | http://penguinsolutions.org/teacproblem.txt |
| 01:02.25 | EmleyMoor | Is the drive IDE or SCSI? |
| 01:02.26 | abrotman | Daishi: apt-get install popcon |
| 01:02.26 | harfooz | data |
| 01:02.27 | Guerin | Daishi: popcon |
| 01:02.28 | Metrics | Daishi: popcon? |
| 01:02.38 | enveezee | fbi: phaedral answered more directly illistrating the same point. there are english speakers here, if we are going to intentionally put something in another language to direct a foreigner, then we should also put it in english or we are just doing the same thing we are telling someone else not to do |
| 01:02.40 | Tortel | !info popcorn |
| 01:02.43 | Micheas | eeyore: the moduls are e1000 and sk98lin (intell and yukon) |
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| 01:02.56 | harfooz | I honestly don't know for sure -- I'm assuming IDE since it's connected to the mobo with a standard IDE cable. |
| 01:03.00 | eeyore- | Micheas: could you show me the errors that you see via "dmesg"? |
| 01:03.02 | Tortel | Lol |
| 01:03.05 | Tortel | !info popcon |
| 01:03.14 | abrotman | FlimFlamMan: rsync might be more suitable to your needs .. read the man page |
| 01:03.16 | tuxuser19 | dli: i want my external ip address |
| 01:03.17 | Daishi | oo k |
| 01:03.25 | fbi | enveezee: but isn't having that factoid in english a bit redundant? if they come in speaking spanish, but they can read english, why tell them to go to a spanish channel?> |
| 01:03.26 | Daishi | thanks |
| 01:03.28 | FlimFlamMan | abrotman, is rsync only for over a network? |
| 01:03.30 | Tortel | tuxuser19: www.whatismyip.com |
| 01:03.31 | bob2_ | tuxuser19: www.whatismyip.com or whatever |
| 01:03.34 | bob2_ | FlimFlamMan: no |
| 01:03.34 | abrotman | FlimFlamMan: not at all |
| 01:03.35 | Tortel | :P |
| 01:03.36 | Metrics | tuxuser: checkip.dyndns.org |
| 01:03.37 | FlimFlamMan | oh, ok |
| 01:03.39 | harfooz | EmleyMoor, so then I followed the instructions that are in the documentation suggested by k3b. |
| 01:03.41 | enveezee | fbi: redundancy is often a good thing |
| 01:03.45 | bob2_ | FlimFlamMan: I use rsync to copy music to my mp3 player |
| 01:03.50 | Tweak | hi could someone nmap my ip for me? |
| 01:03.52 | bob2_ | FlimFlamMan: and pictures from my camera |
| 01:03.53 | enveezee | fbi: in factoids it happens a lot for good reasons |
| 01:03.54 | Tweak | and tell me if I am firewalled? |
| 01:03.55 | bob2_ | Tweak: no |
| 01:04.01 | Metrics | Tweak: Are you asking for trouble? |
| 01:04.04 | Tweak | 134.121.242.168 |
| 01:04.06 | Tortel | yep |
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| 01:04.13 | fbi | enveezee: you're missing the whole point. if they can read the english section, why do they even need to be told to go to a spanish channel? |
| 01:04.14 | Tweak | no i cant seem to update my game, and they say im firewalled |
| 01:04.16 | FlimFlamMan | so rsync tries not to copy data that's already there - is it worth it to determine that if both drives are local on the same machine? |
| 01:04.20 | Tweak | why would that be asking for trouble? |
| 01:04.28 | harfooz | EmleyMoor, I have some output that I posted to debian-user, but I haven't generated a single response, so I'm getting concerned. |
| 01:04.29 | abrotman | FlimFlamMan: depends how much data |
| 01:04.34 | phaedral | uh, actually, k3b is choking on this new sarge isntall and it looks like i'm gonna have to kill it; kill -9 pid didn't clear the splash screen |
| 01:04.36 | FlimFlamMan | about 30-40gb |
| 01:04.37 | phaedral | oi |
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| 01:04.46 | EmleyMoor | harfooz: What device are you specifying? |
| 01:04.47 | Tweak | doesnt nmap do a port test? |
| 01:04.54 | Metrics | Tweak: Yes. |
| 01:04.57 | Tweak | I Dont have a linux box not on the network |
| 01:04.57 | abrotman | FlimFlamMan: that might be worth it then :) |
| 01:04.59 | enveezee | fbi: its not for them. when you look at a painting, the fact you can see it or not doesnt mean it was painted for you. |
| 01:05.00 | Tweak | so I Cant test myself hehe |
| 01:05.02 | bob2_ | FlimFlamMan: it depends. to check it, it has to read all of the file on both disks |
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| 01:05.10 | Tweak | so could someone do it please? |
| 01:05.13 | bob2_ | FlimFlamMan: which could be slower than just reading on one and overwriting on the other |
| 01:05.13 | eeyore- | FlimFlamMan: might as well go with raid-1 ... same data all the time :-) |
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| 01:05.15 | FlimFlamMan | bob2_, that's what i was wondering about |
| 01:05.20 | fbi | enveezee: i understand what you are saying completely. it just seems silly to me. |
| 01:05.24 | abrotman | bob2_: for offsite backups |
| 01:05.29 | Metrics | Tweak: Well, for starters you're blocking pings. |
| 01:05.31 | FlimFlamMan | bob2_, (the reading files anyway part) |
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| 01:05.35 | eeyore- | FlimFlamMan: and there's a somewhat small chance that rsync doesn't make sure that *all* files are exactly the same |
| 01:05.44 | harfooz | EmleyMoor, 1,0,0 |
| 01:05.49 | Guerin | Tweak: why don't you know if you're firewalled or not? |
| 01:05.51 | Micheas | eeyore: there are no error messages in /var/log/dmesg but if I plug in a cable to one of those cards and bring run dhclient or ifconfig I may need to reboot. |
| 01:05.54 | enveezee | fbi: its silly to put foreign language into a channel without a translation |
| 01:05.55 | eeyore- | FlimFlamMan: if you're going to use rsync, it's best to use it with -c (md5 checksum) but that's a good deal slower |
| 01:05.56 | Tweak | guerin I am in college |
| 01:05.57 | JackInTheBox | how do i install a .deb that i just install pls help ungently |
| 01:05.59 | bob2_ | eeyore-: due to crc weakness? |
| 01:06.04 | bob2_ | JackInTheBox: dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 01:06.07 | Guerin | Tweak: then talk to your IT dept. |
| 01:06.09 | abrotman | ungently! |
| 01:06.10 | tuxuser19 | bob2_ :but people cant ping to my IP add....do u know wats the reason? |
| 01:06.11 | bob2_ | JackInTheBox: generally you use apt or synaptic, tho |
| 01:06.12 | EmleyMoor | harfooz: What output do you get from cdrecord dev=ATA: -scanbus? |
| 01:06.16 | enveezee | fbi: the whole point of the factoid is to make the person realize that without being a hypocrite and doing the same thing |
| 01:06.24 | Tweak | guerin I am hehe they r idiots |
| 01:06.26 | eeyore- | bob2_: no, sometimes rsync won't overwrite a file that already exists, where the "source" has been modified |
| 01:06.28 | harfooz | EmleyMoor, got it right here: |
| 01:06.30 | harfooz | http://penguinsolutions.org/techproblem2.txt |
| 01:06.37 | Guerin | Tweak: evidently not such idiots as you. |
| 01:06.38 | Metrics | Tweak: Do you have a direct connect to the net or are you NATTed. |
| 01:06.39 | Metrics | ? |
| 01:06.44 | bob2_ | tuxuser19: lots of possibilities |
| 01:06.45 | Tweak | metrics how can I Tell? |
| 01:06.47 | dmgunn | hi I have a problem, I just did a massive upgrade of packages, and now the fonts on everything are really small. Does anyone know why? |
| 01:06.49 | Guerin | Tweak: try ShieldsUp; grc.com |
| 01:06.51 | bob2_ | eeyore-: hm |
| 01:06.53 | eeyore- | bob2_: so in that situation you have to get rsync to notice that the source/dest are different, after all |
| 01:07.06 | Tweak | ? guerin its a windows machine I just came here because nmap is for linux |
| 01:07.12 | eeyore- | bob2_: i know that situation is never supposed to happen to begin with, but it does :-) |
| 01:07.24 | Metrics | Tweak: Go to checkip.dyndns.org and get your IP and also check your IP with ifconfig/ipconfig. |
| 01:07.26 | bob2_ | ah |
| 01:07.27 | Tweak | y cant someone just nmap me hehe |
| 01:07.38 | Metrics | Tweak: Get out (jokes). |
| 01:07.48 | Guerin | Tweak: i already told you a website which will portscan you. now go to it. |
| 01:07.55 | Metrics | Tweak: Just did, nothing open, probably firewalled. |
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| 01:08.08 | dmgunn | I also replaced xdm with gdm, so that might a caused the small fonts too. anyone know how to fix ithis? |
| 01:08.11 | bob2_ | FlimFlamMan: I can't think of any general rule of when it would be worth it that doesn't involved the phrase "somewhat similar" ;) |
| 01:08.20 | bob2_ | FlimFlamMan: if you're bored, maybe benchmark both? :) |
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| 01:08.42 | JackInTheBox | thanks alot |
| 01:08.51 | remyforbes777 | (EE) VESA(0): no matching modes |
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| 01:08.57 | remyforbes777 | anyone seen that error |
| 01:08.57 | Guerin | bugger me, it's cold |
| 01:09.05 | Guerin | winter is coming, f'sure |
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| 01:09.14 | Tweak | metrics its the same ip |
| 01:09.14 | dmgunn | Hi everyone! |
| 01:09.17 | Tweak | does that mean im not natted? |
| 01:09.18 | Metrics | It's bloody hot here. |
| 01:09.29 | eeyore- | does anybody use cryptsetup-luks? it's quite nice :-) allows you to use multiple passphrases to unlock the encrypted volume, and lets you revoke passwords that have been compromised |
| 01:09.30 | enveezee | dmgunn: I am, I don't know about anyone else |
| 01:09.31 | Guerin | Tweak: ask your fucking IT Department |
| 01:09.33 | Metrics | Tweak: Are you using WinXP? |
| 01:09.33 | klys | * (this just in) who can I ask about good video compression (because I want) |
| 01:09.41 | Metrics | Tweak: I second Guerin. |
| 01:09.44 | Guerin | klys: #mplayer |
| 01:09.44 | bob2_ | remyforbes777: need to show us the whole log fle |
| 01:09.51 | klys | thx guerin |
| 01:09.57 | dmgunn | My default fonts are reallly small. I dont know why, can anyone help me? |
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| 01:10.01 | litage | what's the difference between kernel-image-* and linux-image-* packages? |
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| 01:10.07 | Guerin | klys: or doom9.org |
| 01:10.11 | enveezee | litage: they changed the name |
| 01:10.15 | Guerin | litage: version |
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| 01:10.18 | klys | thx again guerin |
| 01:10.18 | Tweak | guerin haha I am on the phone right now haha no need 2 yell just wanted to see if you could nmap my ip |
| 01:10.20 | eeyore- | although "truecrypt" is nicer in that you can set up two concurrent encrypted volumes for plausible deniability reasons. it supposedly has plans (if not already implemented) for "self-destruct key" although i have a hard time seeing how that's useful |
| 01:10.23 | Tweak | and tell me if ports r being filtered |
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| 01:10.33 | bob2_ | litage: linux-image has replaced kernel-image |
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| 01:10.35 | litage | enveezee, Guerin: which naming convention is currently in use? |
| 01:10.37 | litage | bob2_: thanks |
| 01:10.40 | harfooz | EmleyMoor, I also ran /msg dpkg cdburning and tried the suggested 'modprobe idescsi' and got this output: |
| 01:10.43 | harfooz | FATAL: Module idescsi not found. |
| 01:10.44 | Guerin | Tweak: stop drooling into your keyboard, it's causing you to drop some keystrokes |
| 01:10.53 | enveezee | litage: I think its more appropriate that they call the new ones linux-image... for one thing debian isnt and won't be linux specific so to say kernel-image and imply linux-image is not right |
| 01:10.53 | eeyore- | because if you have something you want to have "self-destruct", the attacker will likely circumvent it with his/her own copy of truecrypt that *doesn't* have self-destruct feature, anyway ... |
| 01:10.57 | Tweak | ? |
| 01:10.57 | bob2_ | harfooz: are you using a 2.6 kernel with an ide burner? |
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| 01:11.02 | dmgunn | You guys suck, I'm joining Ubuntu channel |
| 01:11.05 | Tweak | so no 1 is going 2 help me? |
| 01:11.09 | gravity | dmgunn: We try |
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| 01:11.09 | Tortel | nope |
| 01:11.10 | Guerin | like a and e |
| 01:11.12 | dli | harfooz, use 2.6 not ide-scsi |
| 01:11.14 | Fluten | is there much speed benifit to be had by having a 64 bit cpu instead of a 32 bit one on debian? will my apps run very much faster? |
| 01:11.16 | Tweak | r u 2 ur |
| 01:11.23 | harfooz | bob2_, yes, but I have also tried with 2.4.27 with the same result. |
| 01:11.27 | Guerin | and it's substituting 1 instead of 'one' and 2 instead of 'two' |
| 01:11.28 | eeyore- | Tweak: portscanning someone is much frowned upon if not outright illegal |
| 01:11.30 | cire | when runnig a perl-script with Tk GUI as su, I get "connection to :0.0 refused". (as normal user it works). Where do I have to change something? I think this is a securtiy rstriction not allowing root to use the XServer. |
| 01:11.37 | enveezee | litage: kernel-image is in sarge, linux-image is the new ones |
| 01:11.39 | Tweak | eeryore Im asking for it |
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| 01:11.40 | eeyore- | Tweak: so please, quit trying to get people in trouble |
| 01:11.42 | Tweak | I need the help |
| 01:11.45 | eeyore- | Tweak: no |
| 01:11.45 | Tweak | arg |
| 01:11.49 | Guerin | Tweak: just piss off |
| 01:11.49 | harfooz | dli, I'm in 2.6.8 with the stock Sarge kernel right now. |
| 01:11.50 | EmleyMoor | harfooz: Your device should be ATA:1,0,0 |
| 01:11.52 | Tweak | wow ur all worthless |
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| 01:11.58 | abrotman | !ur |
| 01:11.59 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 01:12.01 | gravity | wtf |
| 01:12.11 | ows | is google workin' to microsoft? if not why most of their services have been built as *.exe? |
| 01:12.11 | Metrics | Finally, he left. |
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| 01:12.14 | dli | harfooz, then, you don't need ide-scsi, if you don't know how to, use k3b to burn your cd |
| 01:12.14 | enveezee | litage: the linux-image packages will be in etch, but not in sarge it will most likely be a perminant nameing scheme change |
| 01:12.22 | antgel | eeyore-: port scanning is illegal? |
| 01:12.22 | harfooz | EmleyMoor, which file should I put that line in? |
| 01:12.25 | abrotman | if i worked at wsu .. i'd ban him from the network :) |
| 01:12.30 | harfooz | dli, k3b's not burning. |
| 01:12.33 | abrotman | antgel: depends on your services agreement |
| 01:12.34 | bob2_ | harfooz: sudo cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc foo.iso |
| 01:12.35 | eeyore- | antgel: depends on where you live, i suppose :-) |
| 01:12.37 | Guerin | abrotman: yeah. |
| 01:12.44 | EmleyMoor | You put it in settings in k3b or whatever you are using |
| 01:12.52 | harfooz | bob2_, root can't burn either. |
| 01:12.59 | EmleyMoor | I haven't used k3b |
| 01:13.06 | bob2_ | harfooz: "can't burn" = ? |
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| 01:13.16 | EmleyMoor | 1,0,0 is wrong. ATA:1,0,0 is right |
| 01:13.30 | Guerin | harfooz: you're not supposed to burn the roots, you're supposed to burn the buds |
| 01:13.37 | antgel | abrotman, eeyore-: i'm tempted to port-scan every time we get a ssh brute force. then i realise that i'm not going to do anything anyway, and add the country to shorewall :) |
| 01:13.37 | Guerin | that's your problem |
| 01:13.46 | abrotman | antgel: hehe |
| 01:13.46 | harfooz | bob2_, won't burn a cd r or tw. |
| 01:13.47 | phaedral | harfooz: okay, i've got k3b open on my laptop where it's known to work |
| 01:13.48 | bob2_ | or cook with the leaves |
| 01:13.54 | bob2_ | harfooz: what error does it give? |
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| 01:14.01 | antgel | we now have .ar, .jp, .sg, .kr |
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| 01:14.06 | harfooz | I've got the output right here, hang on... |
| 01:14.09 | litage | if a machine is running sarge, can it still install a linux-image-* kernel? |
| 01:14.09 | phaedral | wanna go step by step walkthrough? |
| 01:14.12 | abrotman | antgel: no .cl ? |
| 01:14.13 | harfooz | http://penguinsolutions.org/teacproblem.txt |
| 01:14.16 | litage | or does debian need to be upgraded? |
| 01:14.19 | phaedral | would that be OT? |
| 01:14.20 | harfooz | http://penguinsolutions.org/techproblem2.txt |
| 01:14.23 | eeyore- | antgel: good thing you're not an international company :-) |
| 01:14.26 | harfooz | There are two sets of output there. |
| 01:14.31 | Guerin | antgel: congratulations, pretty soon you won't be able to communicate with anyone |
| 01:14.33 | antgel | abrotman: not yet |
| 01:14.36 | EmleyMoor | harfooz: In that output you appear to be trying 1,0,0 rather than ATA:1,0,0 |
| 01:14.38 | remyforbes777 | bob2 |
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| 01:14.46 | remyforbes777 | im in #flood |
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| 01:14.47 | antgel | Guerin: i doubt that |
| 01:14.50 | eeyore- | Guerin: there's always the mirrors |
| 01:14.53 | redphoenix1 | i been getting errors when i do apt-get update i get this when i try to connect to vlc repository connect (101 Network is unreachable) |
| 01:14.54 | antgel | eeyore-: indeed |
| 01:14.58 | redphoenix1 | can anyone help? |
| 01:15.04 | harfooz | EmleyMoor, let me take a look at where that needs to be changed. |
| 01:15.16 | Guerin | antgel: no, really. If you block a whole country every time you get attempted intrusion, you'll soon be in a network of one |
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| 01:16.07 | eeyore- | how could you block out whole countries anyway? aren't the network numbers handed out in non-geographically oriented fashion? |
| 01:16.08 | dli | redphoenix1, use standard sources.list entries :( vlc is in debian |
| 01:16.19 | redphoenix1 | not for me |
| 01:16.20 | Guerin | eeyore-: don't burst the bubble |
| 01:16.31 | redphoenix1 | it uninstalled last update |
| 01:16.39 | redphoenix1 | and i have not been able to get it back |
| 01:16.40 | harfooz | EmleyMoor, is that what needs to be in /etc/default/cdrecord? |
| 01:16.42 | eeyore- | Guerin: hmm? |
| 01:16.57 | harfooz | I don't know where to change from 1,0,0 to ATA:1,0,0 |
| 01:17.00 | Guerin | eeyore-: don't force reality to impose upon the fantasy world |
| 01:17.02 | bob2_ | remyforbes777: ? |
| 01:17.03 | antgel | Guerin: we don't correspond with those countries. we're not likely to. we don't block countries every time. just the persistent offenders |
| 01:17.07 | redphoenix1 | it shows up as there but no version number |
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| 01:17.25 | antgel | Guerin: http://ip.ludost.net |
| 01:17.35 | Guerin | antgel: by blocking them, you're guaranteeing you'll never correspond with them |
| 01:17.35 | remyforbes777 | you want me to put my whole log file in this room? |
| 01:17.40 | EmleyMoor | That's what needs to be wherever your device settings are in whatever program. I have not used k3b. |
| 01:17.41 | enveezee | eeyore-: you could slowly do it by tracing the owner of the block.. but they could easily be tunneling or something |
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| 01:17.46 | abrotman | remyforb1s777: you know about paste! |
| 01:17.51 | antgel | Guerin: perfect |
| 01:17.52 | Micheas | eeyore: any other info that might be of use to you on helping about the gigabit ethernet problem? |
| 01:17.52 | dli | redphoenix1, clean up your sources.list, comment out them, and run apt-setup |
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| 01:18.01 | eeyore- | enveezee: that's a lot more pain than i'm willing to go through :-) |
| 01:18.02 | harfooz | EmleyMoor, I just now tried cdrecord dev=ATA:1,0,0 filename but got another error: |
| 01:18.04 | Guerin | antgel: "i don't talk to gooks", in other words |
| 01:18.10 | Guerin | (and argentinians) |
| 01:18.13 | redphoenix1 | ok will do that |
| 01:18.13 | redphoenix1 | brb |
| 01:18.19 | antgel | Guerin: not familiar with that term |
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| 01:18.25 | remyforbes777 | abrotman: in #flood right? |
| 01:18.28 | harfooz | Drive does not support TAO recording. |
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| 01:18.37 | harfooz | and this one: |
| 01:18.39 | harfooz | Illegal write mode for this drive. |
| 01:18.41 | abrotman | remyforb1s777: yes . you sohuld never paste in here |
| 01:18.45 | eeyore- | Micheas: well ... if you have something that crashes the kernel, i'd look into upgrading the kernel and/or diagnosing hardware problems. kernel bugs are plausible, but pretty rare this day and age, esp. with well-supported and well-behaved hardware. |
| 01:18.45 | enveezee | eeyore-: no doubt |
| 01:18.48 | Guerin | antgel: asians |
| 01:18.51 | jessicaNZ | when youdo an apt-get update where does the package list go? |
| 01:18.56 | harfooz | EmleyMoor, and one more: Sorry, no CD/DVD-Recorder or unsupported CD/DVD-Recorder found on this target. |
| 01:18.59 | eeyore- | Micheas: so, that's all i have for you at this point :-) |
| 01:19.32 | remyforbes777 | abrotman: ok, i went to #flood and did an /exec cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 01:19.34 | EmleyMoor | harfooz: It was there once, assuming you are specifying ATA:1,0,0 |
| 01:19.47 | rapsys | Anyone would help me ? |
| 01:19.51 | antgel | Guerin: crapola. we're blocking based on traffic. note that it's just our lan that we're blocking. our public server is available to all |
| 01:19.52 | eeyore- | Micheas: for example, we have e1000 motherboards (tyan server motherboard) that have been working non-stop for 400+ days now ... so it's not likely that the driver is bad to that degree |
| 01:20.07 | Micheas | I can do a net boot with either of the cards. So I am fairly confident that they work. |
| 01:20.19 | Guerin | antgel: the principle holds. |
| 01:20.28 | antgel | Guerin: i can tell you that if .fr or .de started the silly stuff, they'd be on the list as well |
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| 01:20.31 | litage | why does ``apt-cache search kernel | grep 2.6.10'' return nothing? |
| 01:20.37 | rapsys | I need to add versionning to php lib to have php4 and php5 running both as sapi under apache, someone know the symbol I need to version (all or just the common one)? |
| 01:20.50 | eeyore- | Micheas: but is the kernel good in general? did you compile it with some questionable compiler, etc.? did you test the rest of the hardware? you know, just ... give it a good once over however you do it ... |
| 01:21.01 | antgel | Guerin: what principal? what about the principal that it's our network and we'll administer it to suit our needs? |
| 01:21.11 | bob2_ari | litage: on what version of Debian? |
| 01:21.15 | abrotman | remyforb1s777: /exec -o cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 01:21.19 | Micheas | eeyore: it is a stock debian amd64 kernel 2.6.12-1-amd64-k8 |
| 01:21.24 | Guerin | antgel: antgel: exactly as I said: you'll eventually be null-routing everyone |
| 01:21.25 | eeyore- | Micheas: you see, when you said "trying to use dhcp crashes the kernel" ... that right there is giving me a lot of red lights |
| 01:21.36 | eeyore- | Micheas: oh 64-bit kernel? |
| 01:21.39 | litage | bob2_ari: i'm running unstable |
| 01:21.44 | harfooz | EmleyMoor, I'm trying to get the output from cdrecord piped to a file, but not all of it goes to the file. |
| 01:21.49 | eeyore- | Micheas: well that changes things quite a bit :-) |
| 01:21.57 | bob2_ari | litage: old kernel versions get removed in time |
| 01:22.01 | bob2_ari | litage: 2.6.14 is the latest in sid |
| 01:22.11 | remyforbes777 | abrotman: ahhhh forgot the -o |
| 01:22.35 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:22.44 | abrotman | bob2_ari: you moved to arizona ? |
| 01:22.44 | eeyore- | Micheas: if you don't mind, try the 32-bit install. see if your problem is mainly in 64-bit mode ... probably is. |
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| 01:22.55 | antgel | Guerin: time will tell. we're not blocking everyone now. although i do need to remove .jp as collaborating with osamu on debian reference. take your point :) |
| 01:23.07 | eeyore- | abrotman: looks like we're getting that iwill dp system for development work |
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| 01:23.14 | jessicaNZ | when you do an apt-get update where does the list of avaliable packages get stored? |
| 01:23.17 | redphoenix1 | ok that worked ty dli |
| 01:23.25 | redphoenix1 | :) |
| 01:23.28 | eeyore- | abrotman: i have no idea how iwill crams two opterons in a small shoebox form factor :-p but they did |
| 01:23.34 | bob2_ari | jessicaNZ: /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
| 01:23.41 | abrotman | eeyore-: NC ? |
| 01:23.46 | rapsys | how to know which strins are common between two text files and ouput them ? |
| 01:23.53 | eeyore- | abrotman: what's "NC"? |
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| 01:23.55 | bob2_ari | litage: snapshot.debian.net might have 2.6.10 if you really need it, but it will break sid's udev (afaik) |
| 01:23.58 | abrotman | eeyore-: you ? |
| 01:24.00 | bob2_ari | rapsys: diff -u file1 file2 |
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| 01:24.03 | bob2_ari | abrotman: no, sadly |
| 01:24.03 | eeyore- | abrotman: me? |
| 01:24.05 | jessicaNZ | bob2_ari: thanks :-) |
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| 01:24.16 | harfooz | EmleyMoor, here's some output from cdrecord dev=ATA:1,0,0 filename |
| 01:24.19 | abrotman | eeyore-: the state ? |
| 01:24.21 | litage | bob2_ari: this is what i'm ultimately trying to accomplish.. |
| 01:24.21 | Micheas | eeyore: I'll probalby try reinstalling. But, 64 bit mode would be nice. |
| 01:24.23 | rapsys | bob2_ari: thank's |
| 01:24.25 | harfooz | http://penguinsolutions.org/cdrecordoutput.txt |
| 01:24.33 | eeyore- | abrotman: still CA right now. the NC thing hasn't gone through yet |
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| 01:24.59 | litage | bob2_ari: i'm trying to install debian onto some new Intel D945GNT mobos. however, they have the very new ICH7R southbridge |
| 01:25.08 | litage | bob2_ari: controller, which isn't supported by the debian installer |
| 01:25.09 | rapsys | bob2_ari: I don't need the diff between the files, but just the common strings between the two |
| 01:25.11 | htedrom | hey all how do i find out if a package is for sid or sarge? |
| 01:25.11 | abrotman | eeyore-: ah ok |
| 01:25.31 | gravity | htedrom: What do you mean? |
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| 01:25.42 | htedrom | gravity: they aren't compatible, right? |
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| 01:25.46 | gravity | htedrom: Depends |
| 01:25.53 | htedrom | gravity: on? |
| 01:25.59 | gravity | (which is also actually your answer, I guess) |
| 01:26.04 | htedrom | lol |
| 01:26.04 | gravity | htedrom: What the package depends on |
| 01:26.05 | litage | bob2_ari: so as it stands right now, i can't install debian onto the SATA drives that're hooked to the new Intel D945GNT mobo |
| 01:26.12 | htedrom | gravity: a bunch of stuff i don't have |
| 01:26.15 | gravity | htedrom: If your package's depends are satisfied by sarge, then it's ok |
| 01:26.15 | dvs | litage: not with sarge |
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| 01:26.23 | Micheas | eeyore: any ideas about where to look for amd64 help? I would just like to have the noexec features. Though the server is way over powerd |
| 01:26.28 | bob2_ari | litage: hm, right. how does 2.6.10 fit in? |
| 01:26.31 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 01:26.31 | dpkg | hmm... amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 01:26.39 | htedrom | gravity: a bunch of my packages need to be newer |
| 01:26.42 | gravity | htedrom: Since "sid" is a constantly changing thing, it's harder to answer that |
| 01:26.49 | gravity | htedrom: Then yeah, not for sarge |
| 01:26.51 | Micheas | dpkg: thanks |
| 01:26.51 | dpkg | micheas: you're welcome |
| 01:26.53 | antgel | !wayttd htedrom |
| 01:26.54 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, htedrom? |
| 01:27.08 | htedrom | antgel: install the new amarok |
| 01:27.12 | litage | bob2_ari: 2.6.10 supposedly has AHCI, which supports Intel's new ICH7R southbridge |
| 01:27.16 | antgel | *sigh* |
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| 01:27.27 | htedrom | the stable packages are at 1.2.4, but i need the new one, 1.3.6 |
| 01:27.31 | bob2_ari | litage: ah, so you need an installer with 2.6.10 or newer? does the etch installer work? |
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| 01:27.45 | htedrom | there are sid packages, but they depend on a bunch of packages to be newer |
| 01:27.46 | antgel | htedrom: if it's new, then clearly it's not for sarge. |
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| 01:27.53 | litage | bob2_ari: i haven't tried the etch installer because these machines need sarge rather than etch =/ |
| 01:28.11 | htedrom | antgel: yea i know, i was just crossing my fingers... |
| 01:28.16 | antgel | htedrom: i'd say try /msg dpkg simple sid backport, but as it's kde, i don't thiink i'll go there |
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| 01:28.27 | gravity | litage: I think the wiki has info on creating a custom d-i image with whatever kernel you need |
| 01:28.32 | eeyore- | Micheas: you'd hate me for this ... gentoo x86_64 :-> |
| 01:28.46 | litage | gravity: it does, but the guide is quite vague |
| 01:28.47 | bob2 | litage: hrm. |
| 01:28.52 | abrotman | Micheas: did you try #debian-amd64 ? |
| 01:28.53 | hushlogin | eeyore-, hehe |
| 01:29.15 | litage | bob2_ari: so i'm thinking that i'll hook a PATA drive onto the new intel mobo, install debian and a kernel >= 2.6.10 onto the PATA, and boot onto the PATA |
| 01:29.20 | antgel | htedrom: try #debian-kde, www.backports.org, www.apt-get.org, but try not to hose your box if you do find a backport |
| 01:29.22 | hushlogin | eeyore-, x86_pentium-pro |
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| 01:29.30 | rapsys | how to know which strings are common between two text files and ouput them ? (not the strings that are not common to both...) |
| 01:29.39 | zu22 | is there a sort of #debian channel wiki that lists participants website addresses? |
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| 01:29.44 | nekostar | dam |
| 01:29.49 | abrotman | eeyore-: does that mean it's not going to happen |
| 01:29.50 | abrotman | zu22: google |
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| 01:29.54 | htedrom | antgel: thanks |
| 01:29.56 | Micheas | abrotman: debian-amd64 left me thinking it was for security only |
| 01:30.01 | litage | bob2: once i get debian-on-PATA to recognize the SATAs, i can use debootstrap to install sarge onto the SATA drives |
| 01:30.07 | gravity | rapsys: comm? |
| 01:30.10 | bob2 | zu22: that might be a good idea to add to the wiki |
| 01:30.13 | zu22 | abrotman: ah google is the #debian channel's wiki cool :) |
| 01:30.24 | eeyore- | abrotman: it'd better happen. we just have to wait until the north carolina office gets up to "critical mass" (12+ people) then i can transfer over. |
| 01:30.26 | gravity | rapsys: comm -1 -2 looks like it's your best bet |
| 01:30.30 | antgel | litage: why not use a live cd to do the debootstrap install? |
| 01:30.32 | bob2 | litage: you could even just dd the sarge install to the sata disk, once you have a working kernel |
| 01:30.36 | zu22 | bob2: yeah maybe you can pass that along to whoever runs the wiki |
| 01:30.40 | abrotman | eeyore-: wow .. all 12 ? |
| 01:30.40 | Micheas | eeyore: gentoo is probably my next stop but debian made sence, being as that is what I am running |
| 01:30.43 | bob2 | litage: or, does knoppix boot on it? you could debootstrap fro mthat |
| 01:30.43 | rapsys | gravity: thank's second time |
| 01:30.49 | nekostar | btw guys if your looking for a multitorrent client besides azureus im trying out qtorrent and its rather nice ^^;; uses the BITTORNADO core which is much superior to the bittorrent core... though the only downside is its not got a global rate limiter via the gui .. |
| 01:30.51 | gravity | rapsys: No problem |
| 01:31.00 | eeyore- | abrotman: right now it's just a tiny design center with only seven people :-) |
| 01:31.14 | nekostar | of course there is always the btlaunchmanycurses.bittornado /path/to/torrent/directory :P |
| 01:31.15 | abrotman | eeyore-: if they hire you .. that's 8! |
| 01:31.17 | Guerin | nekostar: rtorrent > * |
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| 01:31.30 | eeyore- | abrotman: i'm *already* hired :-p i don't count in the 12 |
| 01:31.34 | nekostar | Guerin, rtorrent? o.O is that in the packages or should i just google it? |
| 01:31.35 | litage | antgel, bob2: i'm downloading knoppix V4.0.2CD-2005-09-23 right now in the hopes that it'll support the new southbridge |
| 01:31.41 | abrotman | eeyore-: oh ok |
| 01:31.43 | bob2 | litage: ah, rock |
| 01:31.46 | abrotman | eeyore-: the wife is ok with it ? |
| 01:31.46 | Guerin | nekostar: it's in testing/sid |
| 01:32.05 | jessicaNZ | I have woody installed on hda5 lilo is installed on the root partition (not in mbr), ubuntu's GRUB has control of the mbr. How do I get it to boot woody? |
| 01:32.06 | morggin | if i login to a system through ssh as my user id and then su to root ... is there any real reason to compile the kernel with the fakeroot command ? |
| 01:32.27 | nekostar | awesome.. let me figure out how to temporaraly add to apt sources.. or can i just add sid to my current link? |
| 01:32.31 | antgel | !tell morggin about unix lessons |
| 01:32.35 | nekostar | !d-i sources |
| 01:32.36 | dpkg | sources, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:32.42 | zu22 | bob2: you have awebsite? |
| 01:32.58 | Guerin | nekostar: what are you running now? |
| 01:33.09 | nekostar | just installed sarge last night |
| 01:33.13 | nekostar | and i LOVE it :D |
| 01:33.19 | Guerin | nekostar: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 01:33.32 | nekostar | though i need a few packages from sid anyway... xchat upgrades gaim and the like... thanx |
| 01:33.38 | litage | antgel, bob2: however, to boot into knoppix and install debain on the SATAs with debootstrap, i'll need 2 CD/DVD-ROMs since (a) the new box has no internet connection, and (b) i don't know if knoppix supports the new intel ethernet controller on this mobo |
| 01:33.55 | Guerin | nekostar: instead of mixing sid and sarge, you might consider upgrading to etch, which is testing |
| 01:33.56 | zu22 | litage: use boot floppies and modem to get install going |
| 01:34.12 | morggin | i dont need linux lessions ... whats wrong with using su to compile the kernel |
| 01:34.13 | litage | zu22: the box has no floppy drive =P |
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| 01:34.16 | antgel | nekostar: please don't install sid binaries on sarge. as Guerin said, use or create backports |
| 01:34.23 | zu22 | litage: hmm, go to net cafe and do install :) |
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| 01:34.27 | Guerin | morggin: it's unnecessary |
| 01:34.27 | litage | hah |
| 01:34.37 | antgel | morggin: then you do need lessons. one of them is "don't be root unless you have to" |
| 01:34.46 | nekostar | awesome antgel .. i assume its because of dependancies? so i dont break my sarge ~_^ |
| 01:34.48 | bob2 | zu22: not a useful one |
| 01:34.53 | The_Vulture | morggin: what's wrong with giving the mechanic the keys to your house and your car? |
| 01:34.56 | nekostar | hi bob2 :P |
| 01:34.57 | antgel | nekostar: *nod* |
| 01:34.58 | bob2 | litage: oh, ouch |
| 01:35.00 | bob2 | nekostar: hi |
| 01:35.01 | morggin | i would say compileing the kernel is a good time to be root |
| 01:35.17 | antgel | morggin: i would *love* to know why |
| 01:35.19 | bob2 | litage: also, does the bios have an option to make it look like a PATA drive at all? |
| 01:35.28 | bob2 | morggin: eh? there's no point at all |
| 01:35.31 | The_Vulture | morggin: Try my hypothetical.. |
| 01:35.34 | litage | bob2: yeah, i really wish we hadn't bought these Intel D945GNT mobos. unfortunately, our beloved Gigabyte mobos that we've had great results with were discontinued a little while ago |
| 01:35.41 | bob2 | morggin: you only need root permissions to install it to /boot and update grub/lilo |
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| 01:35.54 | litage | bob2: yeah, i've already tried setting it to legacy in the bios, but to no avail |
| 01:35.55 | morggin | so i dont have dont have to run fakeroot |
| 01:36.01 | bob2 | litage: ah, dang |
| 01:36.04 | antgel | *plonk& |
| 01:36.05 | nekostar | antgel, i assume i need to do some pinning if i intend to leave the line uncommented correct? |
| 01:36.15 | litage | bob2: aye |
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| 01:37.00 | litage | can linux-image-2.6.14-1-686-smp be installed on sarge? |
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| 01:37.23 | bob2 | probably not |
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| 01:37.35 | antgel | nekostar: i comment the line out when i'm done and apt-get update |
| 01:37.41 | The_Vulture | morggin: hello there.. did you read my question to you? |
| 01:37.55 | antgel | litage: no. you need to backport yaird or ask sanoj for his backport |
| 01:37.55 | nekostar | ok figured you might say that thanx antgel |
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| 01:38.18 | morggin | The_Vulture: what are you talking about |
| 01:38.29 | The_Vulture | morggin: I'm talking about an analogy. |
| 01:38.36 | The_Vulture | You say it's good to use root to compile your kernel. |
| 01:38.46 | bob2 | litage: hm, actually, glancing at the dependencies I'd think it would |
| 01:38.48 | The_Vulture | So when you take your car to the mechanic and hand over your car keys, do you also hand over the keys to your house? |
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| 01:38.52 | bob2 | litage: as long as you don't use udev |
| 01:39.07 | morggin | how is that the same thing ... |
| 01:39.17 | The_Vulture | morggin: It's precisely the same thing. Minimum access required. |
| 01:39.24 | The_Vulture | The mechanic needs access to your car, but not your house. |
| 01:39.25 | antgel | bob2: yaird isn't in sarge |
| 01:39.48 | The_Vulture | The kernel build needs access to a small part of the filesystem, not the whole thing and all other root-level features. |
| 01:39.50 | antgel | The_Vulture: please put his /nick in the line, so i don't have to read it. it's painful :) |
| 01:40.09 | The_Vulture | antgel: In a hilarious kind of way, it is. |
| 01:40.16 | jessicaNZ | my woody install doesn't have an initrd.img how do I make one? |
| 01:40.29 | antgel | jessicaNZ: kernel install should do it |
| 01:40.32 | The_Vulture | morggin: so in both cases, give the system the least access it needs to do the job. |
| 01:40.36 | The_Vulture | morggin: Why would you do otherwise? |
| 01:40.40 | morggin | im asking what the hell is wrong with compiling the kernel as root ... don;t i need to be root to install the debian packages required |
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| 01:41.06 | bob2 | antgel: ah, you're quite right |
| 01:41.12 | bob2 | litage: sorry, what antgel said |
| 01:41.14 | jessicaNZ | antgel: how do I do that? apt-get install kernel? |
| 01:41.45 | antgel | bob2: sanoj has a backport |
| 01:42.11 | dli | morggin, I compile kernel as root |
| 01:42.18 | antgel | jessicaNZ: depends which kernel image you want to install. however, the initial debian install should have created it. how did you install? |
| 01:42.30 | litage | antgel, bob2: how stable/production-ready is using 2.6.12 or 2.6.14 + sanoj's yaird backport? |
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| 01:43.16 | antgel | litage: i built 2.6.14. i've used them both and find them both fine. then again i don't tend to see many kernel problems. haven't had an oops for a long time |
| 01:43.16 | bob2 | litage: I'd be ok with it if I'd tested it for a few days and it didn't explode |
| 01:43.23 | jessicaNZ | :antgel: I installed it with the official woody cds |
| 01:43.27 | The_Vulture | morggin: And I explained it by analogy.. you should use the least permissions required to do any given task. |
| 01:43.32 | bob2 | the only 2.6.14 problems I've heard of is some DMA fuckage that's pretty obvious |
| 01:43.33 | The_Vulture | morggin: Any more is an unnecessary security risk |
| 01:43.48 | antgel | jessicaNZ: then afaik, you should have an initrd. why do you care? |
| 01:43.54 | The_Vulture | morggin: You need root to install anything at all. But you don't run everything as root, now do you? |
| 01:43.55 | bob2 | jessicaNZ: if you install one of the "kernel-image-2.4.18" kernels, it will magically make the initrd for you |
| 01:44.02 | litage | antgel, bob2: what about just using Etch (unstable) in production? |
| 01:44.10 | bob2 | litage: (etch = testing) |
| 01:44.19 | bob2 | litage: the problem with etch is it has no specific security support |
| 01:44.22 | jessicaNZ | :antgel: I have /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 01:44.25 | litage | bob2: ah right |
| 01:44.34 | sloncho | hi. any recommendations on good software firewall - I need fine control over external connection, DMZ and internal. I plan to handle 3-4 external IP addresses mapped to DMZ machines. |
| 01:44.34 | bob2 | litage: so you need to know when security issues come up and get fixes from sources or sid |
| 01:45.05 | morggin | dli: thank you ... that means that the fakeroot is BEST PRACTICE ... not the only way to do it ... and by the way i don't run everything as root ... im just installing an new kernel with RTC enabled |
| 01:45.07 | bob2 | litage: if you only have a very few network services (e.g. trustworthy stuff like ssh and apache without el-dodgo php/cgi scripts), I'd feel ok about it |
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| 01:45.20 | antgel | litage: it's your box. i personally wouldn't. Testing Can Break Too. |
| 01:45.25 | bob2 | sloncho: shorewall is quite nice |
| 01:46.04 | jessicaNZ | :antgel: all my other grub entries have a intrid and without it the system doesn't boot, that's why I care |
| 01:46.11 | litage | bob2: yeah that's why i'm queasy about using anything other than sarge for production |
| 01:46.38 | jessicaNZ | bob2: with apt? |
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| 01:46.48 | antgel | jessicaNZ: grub? woody installs lilo. is there anything odd about this install? |
| 01:47.11 | abrotman | the woody install kernels don't have an initrd |
| 01:47.17 | antgel | ah |
| 01:47.21 | litage | !ping sanoj |
| 01:47.25 | sloncho | bob2: thanks. I'm looking for more integrated solution, which may include snort, etc. |
| 01:47.41 | jessicaNZ | :antgel: I didn't install lilo on the mbr because I use grub controled by my ubuntu install |
| 01:47.43 | bob2 | jessicaNZ: right |
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| 01:47.59 | jessicaNZ | bob2: ok here goes |
| 01:48.11 | bob2 | sloncho: don't know of anything like that in Debian |
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| 01:48.36 | litage | bob2: googling for "sanoj yaird" gives no valid results =/ |
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| 01:48.48 | antgel | jessicaNZ: aha. in any case, perhaps you want to upgrade to sarge before you install a kernel? |
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| 01:48.56 | bob2 | litage: yeah, fair enough. I vaguely remember the sarge beta installer giving me woody as an option, mayeb etch has sarge as an option? |
| 01:49.02 | antgel | litage: he mentioned http://debian.jones.dk |
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| 01:49.47 | marciospsp | oii? |
| 01:49.53 | abrotman | !br |
| 01:49.53 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 01:50.03 | ows | !fr |
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| 01:50.16 | litage | bob2: if i compile 2.6.12 or 2.6.14 manually on sarge, will i still need yaird? |
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| 01:50.45 | dli | what is haldaemon? |
| 01:50.49 | abrotman | !hal |
| 01:50.49 | dpkg | [hal] a Hardware Abstraction Layer from freedesktop.org, which gives desktop software a programmatic way to examine the hardware present in a system and be notified of its changes. |
| 01:50.54 | ows | !zw |
| 01:50.57 | antgel | litage: not if you compile certain modules in directly, but perhaps it's a waste of your time |
| 01:51.10 | litage | antgel: perhaps what's a waste of my time? |
| 01:51.18 | antgel | litage: compiling a kernel |
| 01:51.41 | litage | antgel: why would compiling my own 2.6.12 or .14 be a waste of time? |
| 01:52.01 | bob2 | litage: no |
| 01:52.08 | antgel | litage: because you can use the images instead |
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| 01:52.20 | bob2 | litage: you will need to compile your root filesystem and ide controller modules *into* the kernel |
| 01:52.39 | bob2 | litage: another possible advantage is that you can disable module support entirely, making you immune to some lame rootkits |
| 01:53.01 | dli | how do I chmod /usr/src to drwxrwsr-x |
| 01:53.12 | litage | dli: man chmod |
| 01:53.21 | bob2 | dli: sudo chmod u=rwx,g=rwS,o=rx /usr/src/ |
| 01:53.31 | antgel | dli: are you sure you want to? |
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| 01:53.45 | pattieja | whiptail's annoying |
| 01:53.53 | bob2 | yeah |
| 01:53.53 | bob2 | and buddy |
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| 01:54.04 | dli | bob2: yes, I don't understand the g=rwS part, it's from my default installation |
| 01:54.26 | bob2 | litage: yaird looks quite trivial ( = /msg dpkg simple sid backport) to get on sarge, and would let you use sid's 2.6.14 |
| 01:54.29 | bob2 | (I think) |
| 01:54.34 | dli | antgel, yes, to allow a user in src group to compile kernel |
| 01:54.52 | bob2 | dli: it means that new directories made in there are group-owned by the group-owner of the parent |
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| 01:55.34 | antgel | dli: oh. mine's like that by default |
| 01:55.36 | dli | bob2: tricky, I will make it so, since it's debian default |
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| 01:56.01 | bob2 | dli: another option is to just compile source in ~/ |
| 01:56.12 | bob2 | that's what I do, aside from kernel modules |
| 01:56.18 | morggin | ok ... its so evil to use root to install the kernel ... instead of fakeroot .... can fakeroot be used to install packages ? |
| 01:56.26 | jdhutchin1 | morggin, no |
| 01:56.27 | bob2 | mainly because the module stuff was too complicated for me to fiddle |
| 01:56.29 | litage | bob2: considering that my main problem is that pre-2.6.10 kernels don't have support for my ide controller, and that i've read in a couple of places that AHCI needs to be built-in to the kernel for ICH7R, "you will need to compile your root filesystem and ide controller modules *into* the kernel" doesn't seem like an issue, except for the time that it'll take |
| 01:56.31 | bob2 | morggin: no one said that |
| 01:56.40 | dli | bob2: but so many programs look for /usr/src/linux |
| 01:56.41 | bob2 | morggin: people suggested not using root to build kernels, which is entirely reasonable |
| 01:56.52 | bob2 | morggin: you obviously need root permissions to actually touch /boot or the MBR |
| 01:57.08 | bob2 | morggin: fakeroot just fakes root permissions for the purposes of putting root-owned files into the .deb |
| 01:57.16 | antgel | dli: creating the linux symlink isn't recommended. i forget why. think it's in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package |
| 01:57.21 | bob2 | litage: right |
| 01:57.56 | bob2 | litage: if you have a bunch of identical machines, compiling a custom kernel for them is quite reasonable (and makes upgrades, simple, too: you can use dsh to tell them to all upgrade at once) |
| 01:58.28 | antgel | bob2: is dsh like clusterssh? |
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| 01:59.14 | litage | bob2, antgel: dsh and clusterssh look quite interesting! |
| 01:59.14 | enveezee | oops |
| 01:59.20 | enveezee | wrong port |
| 01:59.33 | enveezee | putting something in that port reboots the pc :P |
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| 02:00.17 | morggin | so i could compile the kernel as my userid and fakeroot assuming i added my user id to src group. Then to install the new deb package su to root ? |
| 02:00.23 | bob2 | antgel: except dsh is in sarge, yes :-) |
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| 02:00.30 | bob2 | morggin: yes |
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| 02:00.40 | bob2 | morggin: or just compile it in ~/ and not even put yourself in the src group |
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| 02:00.58 | BrutusUnix | OK I'm trying Debian on my G5 iMac 17" |
| 02:01.04 | BrutusUnix | anyone know if it works |
| 02:01.21 | BrutusUnix | everyone else has trouble with sound |
| 02:01.29 | BrutusUnix | and computer locks up |
| 02:01.35 | antgel | bob2: so is clusterssh |
| 02:01.35 | bob2 | sound will be a problem |
| 02:01.44 | morggin | ~/ puts it in my home directory right ? if i cd ~/ it will take me to my home dir |
| 02:01.47 | bob2 | since apple changes the sound hardware every second tuesday |
| 02:01.55 | bob2 | morggin: or just "cd", yes |
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| 02:02.28 | dli | bob2 does "chmod 2775 /usr/src" the same? |
| 02:02.30 | BrutusUnix | bob2....can I just disable the sound? |
| 02:02.40 | antgel | and charges a premium for the privilege |
| 02:02.43 | morggin | has anyone else trried to build debian sarge on VMWare 3.1 ? |
| 02:02.52 | bob2 | 3.1 is really really old |
| 02:03.01 | deadcat_ | morggin: no. and its 5 now i thinik |
| 02:03.02 | bob2 | antgel: g5 imacs aren't that expensive |
| 02:03.08 | bob2 | and they're highly shiney |
| 02:03.09 | deadcat_ | what you cant pay for a 5.x? (= |
| 02:03.19 | morggin | no ... im using VMWare GSX 3.1 |
| 02:03.25 | bob2 | BrutusUnix: sounds causes lockups? |
| 02:03.30 | bob2 | you bought GSX? |
| 02:03.32 | antgel | bob2: i note you qualify it with *that* |
| 02:03.35 | bob2 | can you buy me a poney, too? |
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| 02:03.47 | bob2 | antgel: compared to going to the moon, they're not that bad ;) |
| 02:03.52 | morggin | my work did .... im doing VM macihnes in our colo |
| 02:03.56 | BrutusUnix | I hate my g5, but thats me....that is what I have read with ubuntu...about to try debian |
| 02:04.16 | deadcat | BrutusUnix: give me (= |
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| 02:04.33 | rapsys | someone is good here about symbols and libs ? |
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| 02:04.38 | BrutusUnix | do you have a good AMD64 system for it :) |
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| 02:04.46 | SpaM | debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 02:05.03 | litage | which kernel started using yaird? |
| 02:05.04 | bob2 | rapsys: best to just ask |
| 02:05.11 | antgel | litage: 2.6.14 |
| 02:05.13 | bob2 | litage: 2.6.14, it seems |
| 02:05.15 | bob2 | 2.6.13 never hit sid |
| 02:05.36 | deadcat | is it possible to make the icons in oo2 smaller? |
| 02:05.39 | SpaM | #Sex_Fiere |
| 02:05.42 | rapsys | I need to add versionning to php libs to be able to run php4 and 5 as sapi on apache2 |
| 02:05.44 | morggin | the problem though i have found is that there is a cosiderable drift of the clock on the VMWare machines... I read that the way to sovle that is to recompile the kernel with Enhanced Realtime Clock under character devices |
| 02:05.45 | SpaM | chanel #Sex_Fiere |
| 02:05.53 | deadcat | ok |
| 02:06.00 | rapsys | I know how to do it, but I don't know which symbol I need to version |
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| 02:06.39 | SpaM | chanel #Sex_Fiere |
| 02:06.41 | SpaM | chanel #Sex_Fiere |
| 02:06.45 | GeekUnit | I think ipv6 is causing my web pages to load slow.. how do I turn it off in testing? |
| 02:06.52 | SpaM | /join #Sex_Fiere |
| 02:07.02 | deadcat | i am already there dammit |
| 02:07.11 | litage | antgel, bob2: i should test if 2.6.12 supports my southbridge then, in case i don't need to backport yaird to sarge |
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| 02:07.49 | bob2 | bah |
| 02:07.58 | deadcat | bob2: you slow today (= |
| 02:07.59 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: auto_bleh should /identify me, too :-) |
| 02:08.01 | abrotman | gravity: can you ban spam@ ? .. he was in the other day with the same nick |
| 02:08.09 | antgel | litage: as i have said already, you don't need to backport it. http://debian.jones.dk |
| 02:08.17 | bob2 | deadcat: I forgot I hadn't identified, so I kept hitting /abrn and switching windows |
| 02:08.22 | dondelelcaro | bob2: heh |
| 02:08.25 | deadcat | ah |
| 02:08.49 | bob2 | litage: using 2.6.12 means you need to watch for kernel security fixes, tho, sadly |
| 02:08.59 | morggin | i got another question for the channel here ... is spamd worth installing or dose spamassassin do a better job ? |
| 02:09.04 | litage | bob2: hrm |
| 02:09.36 | antgel | litage: but then you already read d-s-a, right? :) |
| 02:09.46 | litage | antgel: d-s-a? |
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| 02:09.56 | bob2 | debian-security-announce |
| 02:10.06 | bob2 | which will NOT have announcements for issues in 2.6.12, at all |
| 02:10.14 | bob2 | unless they affect 2.6.8.1 as well |
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| 02:10.22 | gravity | or any other kernel these days |
| 02:10.27 | bob2 | morggin: you mean spamd which comes with SA? |
| 02:10.27 | litage | 2.6.12 isn't really production-ready, is it? |
| 02:10.30 | bob2 | hah |
| 02:10.33 | ows | where can I find a good hex reader? |
| 02:10.40 | bob2 | 2.6.12 seemed to be a nice kernel, ime |
| 02:10.42 | dli | ows: ghex2 |
| 02:10.43 | antgel | such good points. i knew as i hit return |
| 02:10.58 | morggin | im sorry i got the name wrong ... its dspam ... not spamd |
| 02:11.04 | antgel | gravity: indeed |
| 02:11.12 | enveezee | bob2: you should just configure your client to do that |
| 02:11.22 | belracu | subversion on windows ... or linux ? pro-cons ? any one help me to pull my company to use Linux |
| 02:11.26 | antgel | litage: what exactly are you worrying about? |
| 02:11.37 | gravity | belracu: Versus what? I use it a lot on linux |
| 02:11.43 | morggin | is dspam worth installing or is SA a better choice ? |
| 02:11.54 | dli | morggin, does it do do pattern detection? |
| 02:12.14 | litage | antgel: security |
| 02:12.18 | bob2 | dspam only does bayesian-style stuff |
| 02:12.24 | bob2 | tho I think it uses the same algorithm as crm114 now |
| 02:12.28 | litage | antgel: well, more like security and stability |
| 02:12.33 | gravity | the difficulty in packaging dspam for Debian makes me wonder about it |
| 02:12.33 | bob2 | SA has lots of hard-coded rules, too |
| 02:12.47 | belracu | gravity, my company is planning to shift to subversion from cvs |
| 02:12.52 | dli | morggin, I once got rooted, and the rootkit installed spamassasin on my box |
| 02:12.57 | bob2 | SA requires a terabyte of ram, tho, which is why I don't use it |
| 02:13.01 | morggin | im looking for a solution to go in line with our Barracuda boxes (wich do a terrable job) |
| 02:13.03 | gravity | belracu: It's very nice, but you *need* to use the fsfs backend |
| 02:13.04 | belracu | but some crank nut here decide to use on windows rather then on linux |
| 02:13.08 | antgel | litage: yeah, but you're kind of searching for the holy grail. unless you have a problem with any specific issue with 2.6.12, use it |
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| 02:13.14 | bob2 | morggin: RBLs work well, too |
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| 02:13.22 | gravity | belracu: svn works fine for windows, and I think there are gui clients available or on the way |
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| 02:13.31 | belracu | gravity, i am not sure about subversion as been only a end user |
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| 02:13.38 | abrotman | bob2: thanks |
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| 02:13.49 | gravity | belracu: Same, but I've spoken with a lot of admins |
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| 02:14.01 | gravity | Damn, peterS isn't around |
| 02:14.08 | morggin | as far a RBLs i been using xbl-sbl.spamhos.net |
| 02:14.10 | bob2 | anti-spam systems for a company would probably be a part-time job |
| 02:14.11 | abrotman | !apostrophesmite gravity |
| 02:14.14 | bob2 | morggin: that's a good one |
| 02:14.24 | ows | dli: k, tkx |
| 02:14.30 | belracu | gravity, thanks ... so u think we can go for subversion on windows |
| 02:14.33 | belracu | and no prob |
| 02:14.37 | gravity | belracu: Yeah, but I'd test it first |
| 02:14.48 | gravity | I have no personal experience with it, only 3rd hand success stories |
| 02:14.58 | morggin | yea im findiing that anti-spam seems to be taking up a lot of my time ... especialy with the Barracuda solution thats in place right now |
| 02:15.16 | belracu | gravity, ok then i shall try today and make a report ....with linux and windows |
| 02:15.18 | bob2 | litage: any non-debian-stable kernel is going to require love and care...I'd test 2.6.14 for a couple of days on one of the machines, then go with it (or 2.6.14.1 if it exists) |
| 02:15.23 | belracu | and which is better |
| 02:15.42 | gravity | belracu: atomic commits alone are worth the price of admission |
| 02:16.15 | deadcat | gravity: nothing in common? (= |
| 02:16.22 | belracu | ok |
| 02:16.24 | gravity | deadcat: Huh? |
| 02:16.32 | deadcat | 18:15 * gravity doesn't really talk to windows developers |
| 02:16.40 | belracu | but will be biased more to linux as i use it all the time :P |
| 02:16.41 | gravity | deadcat: Meh, just don't really meet any |
| 02:16.44 | bob2 | windows developers are this whole other culture |
| 02:16.46 | gravity | I'm not a programmer by trade, so |
| 02:16.51 | deadcat | true |
| 02:16.59 | bob2 | it's bizarre |
| 02:17.13 | bob2 | they need saving by the piglrims of the one true free faith |
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| 02:17.37 | stew | not having atomic commits after you have gotten used to them hurts |
| 02:18.02 | antgel | bob2: we discussed this in the office a *lot* lately. it's almost funny. their terminology etc just doesn't seem to have much to do with computing |
| 02:18.32 | bob2 | amen |
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| 02:18.38 | gravity | antgel: Really? How so? |
| 02:18.45 | bob2 | I'm tempted to make a colleague use svn just to avoid cvs |
| 02:18.50 | dvs | folders for one |
| 02:18.52 | litage | antgel: where on debian.jones.dk is yaird? i can't find it |
| 02:18.57 | gravity | bob2: Not going to be brave and push bzr on him? |
| 02:19.23 | gravity | "Embrace the paradigm shift maaaaaaaan!" |
| 02:19.32 | stew | bob2: tortoise! |
| 02:19.34 | bob2 | gravity: the lack of being able to commit to remote repositories would be painful |
| 02:19.35 | antgel | gravity: i'm going to bed, but happy to discuss tomorrow. their products and tools tend to have fluffy names and vague functionality |
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| 02:20.08 | wubo | I delete the /etc/udev/ by mistake, how can I rescue them? |
| 02:20.17 | gravity | bob2: Ah, I didn't know that still wasn't possible |
| 02:20.18 | stew | i was extremely suprised when i found that that bzr was was lacking when it comes to remote repositories |
| 02:20.21 | gravity | antgel: Cool |
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| 02:20.28 | gravity | bob2: You could always push mercurial on him :-) |
| 02:20.28 | bob2 | wubo: sudo dpkg -P --force-depends udev ; sudo apt-get install udev |
| 02:20.32 | bob2 | hah |
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| 02:20.35 | stew | and i was also very suprised when i moved a tla repsoitory from one machine to another |
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| 02:20.52 | bob2 | I've barely looked at mercurial |
| 02:20.53 | antgel | litage: ask sanoj when he's around |
| 02:20.56 | ows | can I synchronize, for instance, vfat and ext2 filesystems? |
| 02:20.59 | antgel | night all |
| 02:21.08 | bob2 | I don't like what I hear about their rename tracking, tho |
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| 02:21.34 | faw | anybody is facing problems with new udev (testing) and ipw2200 firmware? |
| 02:21.36 | morggin | dose anyone have any experiance with installing Debian Sarge on Vmware GSX 3.1 ? |
| 02:21.39 | gravity | I haven't been following its development lately |
| 02:21.45 | joey___ | hello. I'm a first time debian (and first time linux) user with a very laughable question, if I may |
| 02:21.56 | gravity | Since I'm doing all my X work in svn, I don't have the impetus or time to really play with hg |
| 02:22.05 | litage | joey___: just ask the question rather than asking if you can ask |
| 02:22.19 | joey___ | how do I get to the GUI? |
| 02:22.22 | dli | faw: version of your firmware? |
| 02:22.23 | litage | joey___: startx |
| 02:22.32 | abrotman | joey___: which gui would you like to use ? |
| 02:22.44 | abrotman | litage: you assume he got one installed :) |
| 02:22.48 | litage | abrotman: i did |
| 02:22.54 | morggin | if so ... have you been able to resolve the clocks time drift issue ? |
| 02:23.07 | joey___ | I probably don't have one installed |
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| 02:23.17 | joey___ | startx: command not found |
| 02:23.18 | abrotman | joey___: do you know which you'd like to use ? |
| 02:23.28 | litage | joey___: would you like gnome or kde? |
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| 02:23.31 | gravity | This sounds like a job for... tasksel! |
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| 02:23.38 | abrotman | !punish gravity |
| 02:23.38 | dli | joey___, apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 02:23.39 | litage | joey___: or some other gui? |
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| 02:23.43 | faw | dli, 2.3 |
| 02:23.50 | joey___ | well, I plan on doing a lot of experimenting, but I'd like to try gnome for starters |
| 02:23.51 | wubo | bob2: Thank you very much |
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| 02:24.01 | dli | faw: I have 2.4 and udev and 2.6.14 |
| 02:24.04 | abrotman | joey___: apt-get install gnome gdm menu x-window-system |
| 02:24.05 | faw | dli, 2.6.12.6-1 |
| 02:24.08 | bob2 | wubo: that'll probably require a reboot, tho |
| 02:24.10 | gravity | abrotman: This is totally tasksel material |
| 02:24.15 | faw | dli, it works fine until dist-upgrade |
| 02:24.18 | abrotman | gravity: no way .. tasksel blows :) |
| 02:24.26 | gravity | tasksel is awesome |
| 02:24.29 | faw | dli, now I got the firmware from the site and it won't work :( |
| 02:24.44 | abrotman | gravity: last time i chose to use tasksel to install a "Desktop environment" .. i got damn kde |
| 02:24.49 | faw | dli, are you using ipw2200 module external ou kernel embeded? |
| 02:24.57 | gravity | Nothing wrong with kde |
| 02:24.58 | morggin | in my experiance tasksel installs way to much crap |
| 02:25.02 | dli | faw: I suppose you already recompiled the ipw2200 module itself? |
| 02:25.08 | faw | dli, yes |
| 02:25.13 | abrotman | gravity: for me there is :) |
| 02:25.19 | karsten | So, for a device # 301 (/dev/hda1) or 801 (/dev/sda1), how do you arrive at the proper device for the number or number for device + partition? |
| 02:25.23 | dli | faw: I'm not aware of the existence of ipw2200 in kernel :( |
| 02:25.25 | faw | dli, 2.6.12 doesn't have the ipw2200 on the main kernel tree |
| 02:25.30 | BrutusUnix | what install option do I want for G4 |
| 02:25.32 | BrutusUnix | G5 |
| 02:25.36 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 02:25.36 | dpkg | methinks ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc, or not going to be used by Apple much longer |
| 02:25.40 | gravity | Meh, for the user who doesn't know much of anything, tasksel is wonderful. Even for someone who knows a lot it's a good way to quickly bootstrap a functional system |
| 02:25.40 | faw | dli, 2.6.14 should came with ipw2200 |
| 02:25.42 | BrutusUnix | yes ppc |
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| 02:25.50 | dli | faw: checking now |
| 02:25.51 | karsten | I suspect it's got something to do with LANANA: http://www.lanana.org/docs/device-list/devices-2.6+.txt |
| 02:25.53 | gravity | I definitely like to use it for the latter |
| 02:25.56 | BrutusUnix | but what install-powerpc4? |
| 02:26.07 | faw | dli, and yeah, I recompiled ieee80211-1.0.3 |
| 02:26.09 | abrotman | BrutusUnix: yes .. #debianppc |
| 02:26.10 | karsten | gravity: What about the user who's forgotten nearly everything? |
| 02:26.16 | faw | dli, ipw2200-1.0.6 |
| 02:26.26 | dli | faw: then, you need to check the error message in dmesg |
| 02:26.36 | faw | dli, that's the problem |
| 02:26.39 | joey___ | x-window-system-core is the window manager, and gnome is the desktop environment; is that correct? |
| 02:26.40 | gravity | karsten: They just need more drugs |
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| 02:26.44 | faw | dli, no error messages |
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| 02:26.59 | gravity | joey___: Wrong about the window manager, right about the desktop environment |
| 02:27.03 | faw | dli, the iface just doesn't get an IP |
| 02:27.04 | abrotman | joey___: not quite .. X is a program that allows a graphical display |
| 02:27.16 | faw | dli, but I can iwconfig it and ifup/ifdown |
| 02:27.20 | abrotman | joey___: Gnome is a Desktop environment |
| 02:27.21 | faw | dli, pretty strange |
| 02:27.25 | gravity | joey___: x-window-system-core is a metapackage that pulls in the X Window System, which is a generic windowing system that your window manager and desktop environment will run on top of |
| 02:27.38 | gravity | Well, for certain values of generic |
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| 02:27.52 | GeekUnit_ | My installation of sarge keeps freezing. What's the best way to figure out why? |
| 02:28.13 | dvs | GeekUnit: Have you tried both kernels? |
| 02:28.26 | GeekUnit_ | Nope. Tell me more! |
| 02:28.44 | dvs | GeekUnit: Hit F2 at the boot menu |
| 02:28.53 | dli | faw: ifconfig up would show some error message then |
| 02:29.44 | dli | faw: didn't find ipw2200 in kernel 2.6.14 |
| 02:29.49 | GeekUnit_ | dvs: OK, so by hitting F2 it'll let me choose a different kernel? Cool |
| 02:30.04 | dvs | GeekUnit: No, I'll give you ALL your options. |
| 02:30.13 | Gnea | hrm... |
| 02:30.56 | gravity | Gnea: nvidia may deliver their own version of glx which is kinda funky |
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| 02:31.04 | faw | dli, :( |
| 02:31.07 | gravity | I really don't know much about their driver though |
| 02:31.09 | gravity | Nor do I really care to |
| 02:31.13 | Gnea | gravity: i'm using the debianized version |
| 02:31.13 | faw | dli, which ieee and ipw version are you using? |
| 02:31.17 | abrotman | mr negativity! |
| 02:31.24 | gravity | Gnea: So? |
| 02:31.35 | gravity | It's still proprietary binary crap |
| 02:31.50 | faw | dli, [ 4943.604468] ipw2200: failed to send CARD_DISABLE command |
| 02:31.53 | Gnea | not like the open source option is any better |
| 02:31.55 | faw | dli, that's the message |
| 02:32.00 | faw | dli, I saw this before... |
| 02:32.07 | gravity | Gnea: It tends to be, unless you need accelerated GL |
| 02:32.19 | dli | gravity, really tired of nvidia, but is ati something better? |
| 02:32.20 | gravity | But then, that's why I try not to buy any nvidia hardware |
| 02:32.27 | gravity | dli: Not really, sadly |
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| 02:32.34 | gravity | A little, but not much any more |
| 02:32.43 | dli | faw: ieee80211 1.1.6 |
| 02:32.44 | Gnea | gravity: and yet, it all worked just fine prior to xorg |
| 02:33.05 | gravity | Gnea: Talk to nvidia. They've got all the code. I've only got my end. |
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| 02:33.13 | gravity | Plus they have the specs |
| 02:33.27 | dli | faw: ipw2200 1.0.8 |
| 02:33.28 | Gnea | hrm |
| 02:33.44 | gravity | abrotman: I wish |
| 02:33.46 | abrotman | they're for my toilet .. but if he can make it accelerated .. damn he's good! |
| 02:33.48 | dli | gravity: what about asus? |
| 02:33.54 | Gnea | hahahaha |
| 02:33.56 | abrotman | dli: asus doesn't make chipsets |
| 02:33.59 | gravity | dli: The motherboard maker? |
| 02:34.01 | gravity | wtf? |
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| 02:34.23 | Gnea | asus makes more than just motherboards |
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| 02:34.35 | gravity | Graphics coprocessors? |
| 02:34.36 | dli | gravity: I found some asus video card on newegg, double checking |
| 02:34.39 | abrotman | they don't make thier own GPU |
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| 02:34.39 | gravity | Weird |
| 02:34.49 | Gnea | right. |
| 02:34.51 | abrotman | dli: yes .. they use nvidia/ati GPUs to make thier own cards |
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| 02:35.00 | Gnea | they resell nvidia and ati gpus |
| 02:35.07 | HungerForSandwi | they did? |
| 02:35.18 | abrotman | they do |
| 02:35.21 | HungerForSandwi | kk |
| 02:35.23 | Gnea | HungerForSandwi: your mom. |
| 02:35.33 | HungerForSandwi | whens kde3.5 coming out |
| 02:35.34 | dli | abrotman, any decent choice to get away from nvidia/ati harassment |
| 02:35.34 | gravity | There isn't a really great option out there, unfortunately, although the lesser performing cards will often have better support in the free drivers |
| 02:35.39 | Gnea | when it comes out. |
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| 02:36.02 | abrotman | dli: dunno .. i have an intel card .. drivers are included in X |
| 02:36.06 | HungerForSandwi | my 6800GT is great in linux |
| 02:36.15 | abrotman | HungerForSandwi: but not free drivers |
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| 02:36.27 | HungerForSandwi | ÿû’@¿ |
| 02:36.27 | Gnea | HungerForSandwi: does it work great with glx enabled? |
| 02:36.27 | HungerForSandwi | ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿû’@ÿ€ü |
| 02:36.28 | HungerForSandwi | ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿû’@ÿ€ü |
| 02:36.29 | HungerForSandwi | ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿû’@ÿ€ü |
| 02:36.30 | HungerForSandwi | ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿû’@ÿ€ü |
| 02:36.33 | Gnea | fuck that shit up |
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| 02:36.38 | Gnea | !ops HungerForSandwi is spamming |
| 02:36.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: HungerForSandwi is spamming |
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| 02:36.46 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@pool-141-157-78-8.balt.east.verizon.net] by helix |
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| 02:36.46 | *** mode/#debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 02:37.01 | Gnea | yay helix |
| 02:37.03 | gravity | Holy crap. That fucked things up nicely. |
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| 02:37.18 | abrotman | ½ |
| 02:37.20 | helix | well, you know what it's like to want a sandwich |
| 02:37.22 | Gnea | i mean, as soon as i saw the 'baltimore' bit there, i knew we were gonners |
| 02:37.34 | gravity | hehe |
| 02:38.19 | dli | abrotman, intel cards use shared video ram? |
| 02:38.27 | abrotman | does it really matter? |
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| 02:38.39 | Gnea | dli: only the onboard ones |
| 02:38.39 | faw | dli, the new version supports monitor mode? |
| 02:39.11 | Kovecses | in xorg.conf it is Option "DPMS" to enable power save... correct? |
| 02:39.20 | dli | Gnea, faw: good, also avilable for laptops? |
| 02:39.29 | abrotman | dli: my intel is in my laptop |
| 02:39.39 | abrotman | i have one at work too |
| 02:39.41 | dli | abrotman, but it's shared mem :( |
| 02:39.45 | abrotman | so what? |
| 02:39.49 | dli | abrotman, slow |
| 02:39.53 | abrotman | slow? |
| 02:39.57 | Gnea | it is? |
| 02:40.05 | abrotman | i can play games .. i have no idea what you're talking about |
| 02:40.20 | Gnea | it's been awhile |
| 02:40.22 | abrotman | Gnea: #hottub |
| 02:40.24 | Gnea | i'm having withdraws |
| 02:40.25 | dli | abrotman, I think it slows down system memory |
| 02:40.26 | abrotman | oh .. video games |
| 02:40.28 | Gnea | oh dear |
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| 02:40.33 | Gnea | right. like xmame |
| 02:40.38 | abrotman | dli: maybe you should actually *try* it |
| 02:40.58 | dli | abrotman, I have some intel cards here :( from dell |
| 02:40.59 | abrotman | dli: i've already proven a few people wrong ... |
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| 02:41.07 | abrotman | dli: you're blaming the wrong person .. dell makes shit |
| 02:41.29 | Gnea | everytime their employees put their phones down...dell makes shit |
| 02:41.32 | abrotman | like .. OMG .. Dell is the new Packard Bell |
| 02:41.34 | Kovecses | i thought dell was owned by microsoft now |
| 02:41.41 | dli | abrotman, okay, but I will still buy one with vram whenever possible |
| 02:41.48 | abrotman | dli: why? |
| 02:41.51 | dvs | abrotman: NOTHING could be as bad as Packard Bell |
| 02:41.57 | abrotman | dvs: buy a dell |
| 02:41.59 | Gnea | waitasecond |
| 02:42.04 | Gnea | i have a packard bell keyboard |
| 02:42.04 | dli | abrotman, because the bad experience |
| 02:42.07 | Gnea | had it for YEARS |
| 02:42.11 | Gnea | 101 keys |
| 02:42.11 | Gnea | and it owns. |
| 02:42.12 | fbi | god dammit |
| 02:42.13 | dvs | abrotman: No thanks. ;-) |
| 02:42.18 | dvs | abrotman: Dell is still bad |
| 02:42.20 | fbi | my screen just got borked cause of that asshole |
| 02:42.28 | Kovecses | borked? |
| 02:42.31 | Gnea | fbi: that's why i requested his removal. |
| 02:42.35 | abrotman | dli: well .. i have two .. and they both work fine .. the DRI intensive games in debian play perfectly fine .. |
| 02:42.41 | fbi | Gnea: i didn't see it, all i can see is one line of chat |
| 02:42.50 | Gnea | fbi: d'oh |
| 02:42.54 | abrotman | dli: like i said .. try it .. you might be surprised |
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| 02:42.57 | fbi | it's fixed now :P |
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| 02:43.08 | Gnea | apparantly |
| 02:43.14 | r3gii | ok not dell so what?> |
| 02:43.21 | nekostar | hey besides kde and gnome.. what other desktops/window managers are there that are flying fast ? |
| 02:43.27 | Kovecses | build your own pc |
| 02:43.31 | psusi | I'm looking for an expert on grub... this is my first time using it and I'm trying to get it to work with my hardware fakeraid with these instructions: |
| 02:43.35 | psusi | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FakeRaidHowto |
| 02:43.37 | Kovecses | nekostar, fluxbox |
| 02:43.38 | dvs | I second Kovecses |
| 02:43.38 | abrotman | blackbox/xfce/fvwm/enlightenment |
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| 02:43.39 | dli | abrotman, can you play the flightsimulator? fgfs |
| 02:43.42 | Gnea | nekostar: kde and gnome fly fast? BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHA |
| 02:43.47 | abrotman | dli: is it in Debian ? |
| 02:43.48 | jessicaNZ | nekostar xfce |
| 02:43.49 | nekostar | lol |
| 02:43.50 | psusi | only grub seems to be getting confused between the partition and the disk itself |
| 02:44.04 | dli | abrotman, I think so, double checking |
| 02:44.19 | Gnea | nekostar: fluxbox and recent englightenment bend light like microsoft could never do |
| 02:44.21 | nekostar | xfce? hrm.. |
| 02:44.27 | Kovecses | xfce is nice |
| 02:44.28 | nekostar | YES enlightenment |
| 02:44.31 | abrotman | dli: i played gl-117 a few weeks ago ... not much fun .. but yes it plays |
| 02:44.32 | nekostar | thats what i want and xfce |
| 02:44.43 | jessicaNZ | nekostar it's a complete destop environment |
| 02:44.49 | abrotman | dli: oh .. you want me to try flightgear .. ok |
| 02:44.49 | nekostar | awesome yeah |
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| 02:44.57 | Gnea | xfce is OKAY |
| 02:45.01 | nekostar | i had that in ubuntu.. wasnt sure if it was just them mostly or what lol |
| 02:45.12 | nekostar | also: can i use xorg instead of XFree86? |
| 02:45.21 | Kovecses | not on sarge |
| 02:45.24 | Kovecses | i dont think |
| 02:45.32 | Kovecses | etch and sid both have xorg |
| 02:45.38 | r3gii | guys, you dont like dell, so what u recommend? |
| 02:45.43 | dli | abrotman: my nvidia couldn't play flightgear :( too slow |
| 02:45.46 | litage | what does the S.M.A.R.T. mode in the bios do? |
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| 02:45.48 | Metrics | xorg is backported. |
| 02:45.48 | abrotman | !u |
| 02:45.49 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 02:45.52 | Kovecses | r3gii, build you own |
| 02:45.57 | Gnea | !xorg sarge |
| 02:45.57 | dpkg | well, xorg sarge is [1] add these to sources.list without quotes: "deb http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main" "deb-src http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main" [2] run the following command: apt-get update && apt-get install xserver-xorg [3] restart X |
| 02:45.57 | dvs | r3gii: HP, at least they said they'd support Linux |
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| 02:46.20 | abrotman | dli: give me a few .. it's installing |
| 02:46.25 | Kovecses | hp comps are getting better |
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| 02:46.29 | r3gii | :) i hate hp & cpompaq |
| 02:46.32 | thc | that was whack |
| 02:46.40 | Kevin` | what does wud mean |
| 02:46.44 | nekostar | build your own desktop |
| 02:46.45 | abrotman | r3gii: gateway? whitebox? hp? sony? |
| 02:46.45 | dvs | !wud |
| 02:46.46 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
| 02:46.50 | nekostar | buy some whatever laptop is what i say |
| 02:46.52 | dli | r3gii why? my 4 year old compaq is still running |
| 02:47.05 | abrotman | i have a 10 year old Acer that still runs :) |
| 02:47.13 | nekostar | as is mine dli but upgrading // overclocking // anything frendly is sucky |
| 02:47.22 | Kovecses | compaqs just suck to change hardware |
| 02:47.25 | remyforbes777 | i have a amd 64 turion compaq now that i cant get Linux to run properly on |
| 02:47.25 | nekostar | much more limited yeah |
| 02:47.40 | remyforbes777 | been at it for a while |
| 02:47.42 | nekostar | thanx Gnea btw |
| 02:47.49 | Gnea | remyforbes777: tried debian-amd64? |
| 02:47.52 | dli | remyforbes777, I doubt it's compaq there to blame |
| 02:47.54 | Kovecses | i have an old ibm p1 that i run debian on |
| 02:47.54 | Gnea | nekostar: ?? |
| 02:47.58 | abrotman | he's got 32bit Gnea |
| 02:47.59 | nekostar | for the xorg :D |
| 02:48.04 | Gnea | ah np |
| 02:48.09 | dli | Kovecses, ibm is good |
| 02:48.22 | remyforbes777 | let me recant my last statement |
| 02:48.23 | abrotman | dli: alright . i'm gonna try this .. and if it fubars my X .. you're dead! :) |
| 02:48.28 | dvs | dli: IBM no longer makes PCs |
| 02:48.29 | remyforbes777 | i cant get x to run correctly |
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| 02:48.49 | remyforbes777 | where can i get debian-amd64 |
| 02:48.49 | abrotman | dli: $ fgfs |
| 02:48.49 | abrotman | freeglut (fgfs): Failed to create cursor |
| 02:48.49 | nekostar | basically the difference for me Gnea is i can get 1280x1024+1280x1024 instead of 1024x768+1024x768 resolutions on my dual monitors in xorg instead of XFree86 :P |
| 02:48.51 | Kovecses | Gnea, there is xorg for sarge? |
| 02:48.58 | abrotman | dli: yay for debian/testing :) |
| 02:49.04 | dli | abrotman, waiting |
| 02:49.06 | nekostar | yeah look up a tad Kovecses |
| 02:49.07 | thc | !xorg sarge |
| 02:49.07 | Gnea | Kovecses: uhm, yeah |
| 02:49.07 | dpkg | i guess xorg sarge is [1] add these to sources.list without quotes: "deb http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main" "deb-src http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main" [2] run the following command: apt-get update && apt-get install xserver-xorg [3] restart X |
| 02:49.11 | Gnea | !amd64 |
| 02:49.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 02:49.11 | nekostar | er or that |
| 02:49.14 | abrotman | dli: it died |
| 02:49.26 | joey___ | I installed x-windows-core-system and gnome, but when I run startx I get "fatal server error: failed to initialize core devices" |
| 02:49.40 | dli | abrotman, I got it up smoothly, not trouble at all |
| 02:49.53 | abrotman | dli: are you on sarge or etch ? |
| 02:49.59 | dli | abrotman, etch |
| 02:50.01 | abrotman | joey___: what mouse device did you pick ? |
| 02:50.04 | abrotman | dli: died fo rme |
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| 02:50.25 | joey___ | abrotman: whatever the default one was. I didn't know enough to choose any other |
| 02:50.35 | abrotman | joey___: you could have asked us :) |
| 02:50.42 | dli | abrotman, oh, too bad, you got an excuse for your intel card |
| 02:50.49 | Kovecses | joey___, do you have a usb mouse? |
| 02:50.53 | abrotman | joey___: for most people it's either /dev/psaux or /dev/input/mice |
| 02:50.57 | abrotman | dli: yes .. crappy programming :) |
| 02:51.10 | abrotman | dli: it is `fgfs` .. right ? |
| 02:51.16 | dli | abrotman, not really, I even compiled fgfs in gentoo, smoothly |
| 02:51.20 | abrotman | dli: gl-117 worked fine |
| 02:51.31 | dondelelcaro | has anyone found a backport of xen 2.0.6 to stable? |
| 02:51.32 | abrotman | dli: if i knew enough about freeglut .. i might try to fix it |
| 02:51.53 | joey___ | heh. I didn't think it was critical |
| 02:51.56 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: backports.org ? |
| 02:52.02 | dli | abrotman, anyway, indeed, my expectation is not high, just to play dvd fullscreen |
| 02:52.06 | psusi | I'm looking for an expert on grub... this is my first time using it and I'm trying to get it to work with my hardware fakeraid with these instructions: |
| 02:52.07 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yeah, doesn't appear to be their either; google wasn't much help. |
| 02:52.09 | psusi | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FakeRaidHowto |
| 02:52.15 | psusi | only grub seems to be getting confused between the partition and the disk itself |
| 02:52.30 | joey___ | I have a USB mouse, but I currently have an adapter on it so that it's using the standard whatever mouse port |
| 02:52.40 | abrotman | dli: not just me .. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=334349 |
| 02:52.44 | Kovecses | /dev/psaux |
| 02:52.44 | dondelelcaro | ah... looks like http://www.option-c.com/debian/pool/main/x/xen/ may have them |
| 02:53.21 | joey___ | how do I set that, kovecses? |
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| 02:53.37 | abrotman | !drxx joey___ |
| 02:53.38 | dpkg | joey___: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 02:53.51 | Kovecses | joey___, ^^^^^^^ |
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| 02:54.58 | dli | abrotman, anyway, a good idea to try intel cards, no more nvidia ati |
| 02:54.59 | Kovecses | !k3b etch |
| 02:55.31 | abrotman | dli: yeah .. it's up to you .. depends what's important to you .. |
| 02:55.45 | abrotman | dli: i'd rather have gravity fix my broken X than rely on nvidia :) |
| 02:55.50 | abrotman | !beer gravity |
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| 02:56.06 | jessicaNZ | when I try to boot woody with grub (controled by my ubuntu install) grub says that the filesystem type is ext2fs and then it can't find /vmlinuz but the filesystem type is really ext3! How do I tell grub that? |
| 02:56.09 | Kovecses | everybody just go use sid |
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| 02:57.13 | dli | Kovecses, not for n00bs |
| 02:57.20 | Kovecses | why not? |
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| 02:57.24 | Gnea | ehhehehehe |
| 02:57.36 | faw | dli, things getting worst :( |
| 02:57.39 | Gnea | Kovecses: do you like it when ls segfaults? |
| 02:57.40 | faw | dli, Nov 10 01:02:13 localhost kernel: [ 6479.190491] ipw2200: Failed to send SCAN_ABORT: Command timed out. |
| 02:57.40 | faw | Nov 10 01:02:14 localhost kernel: [ 6480.199694] ipw2200: Failed to send CARD_DISABLE: Command timed out. |
| 02:58.01 | Kovecses | Gnea, ls? segfaults? never had it happen |
| 02:58.09 | Kovecses | Gnea, you on sarge? |
| 02:58.10 | Gnea | Kovecses: hehehehehehehe |
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| 02:58.18 | Gnea | Kovecses: on some machines |
| 02:58.23 | Kovecses | oh yeah |
| 02:58.24 | dli | faw: go to ipw2200.sf.net and download all, and compile all |
| 02:58.27 | Kovecses | and sid on others |
| 02:58.31 | Gnea | yes. |
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| 02:58.49 | Kovecses | i keep going back and forth ... sarge etch sid....i cant make up my mind |
| 02:59.01 | Gnea | it's easy |
| 02:59.14 | dli | Kovecses, how do you go back? |
| 02:59.22 | Gnea | sarge on servers, sarge or sid on the desktop, and let the llamas deal with etch |
| 02:59.38 | Kovecses | dli, what do you mean? |
| 02:59.50 | Gnea | please be sure to feed and rinse your friendly neighborhood llama now and then |
| 03:00.06 | Kovecses | Gnea, why dont you recommend etch for desktop? |
| 03:00.16 | faw | dli, just did it :( |
| 03:00.36 | Gnea | Kovecses: it's etch - it's 'testing', so there are some non-existant packages there at random intervals |
| 03:00.49 | Kovecses | Gnea, yeah like k3b |
| 03:00.54 | Gnea | :) |
| 03:00.55 | joey___ | so, can I not even start a window environment if I don't have a mouse connected? |
| 03:00.56 | Gnea | like k3b |
| 03:01.10 | Kovecses | Gnea, right now my sid box is running pretty damn well |
| 03:01.27 | Gnea | my sid box is always broken |
| 03:01.38 | Gnea | once in a blue moon everything works at once... but that's pushing it :) |
| 03:01.41 | Kovecses | joey___, did you..... dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 yet? |
| 03:01.45 | jessicaNZ | when I try to boot woody with grub (controled by my ubuntu install) grub says that the filesystem type is ext2fs and then it can't find /vmlinuz but the filesystem type is really ext3! How do I tell grub that? |
| 03:01.58 | joey___ | yeah. I got it to work; I'm just wondering for future reference |
| 03:02.03 | Kovecses | Gnea, whats broken about it? |
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| 03:02.39 | afabian | I'm a sarge man. If I wanted broken stuff, I'd be using Gentoo. ;) |
| 03:02.49 | thc | jessicaNZ: ext3 is ext2 with journals, that shouldn't matter. |
| 03:03.01 | Tortel | If i wanted broken stuff, I would use ubuntu |
| 03:03.03 | Kovecses | afabian, i would use sarge if i could get newer versions of gnome |
| 03:03.17 | afabian | Kovecses, no backport available? |
| 03:03.24 | Kovecses | not that i know of |
| 03:03.25 | jessicaNZ | thc, why can't it find vmlinuz then? it's there! |
| 03:03.58 | joey___ | sorry to be asking so many questions. why can't I run ifconfig? |
| 03:04.02 | nekostar | Gnea, if i install xorg and just uninstall package system will auto revert to XFree86 right? and do i need to log out and in again to restart X ? |
| 03:04.12 | repp_ | joey___: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 03:04.14 | nekostar | joey___, are you root? |
| 03:04.15 | thc | jessicaNZ: no idea, i don't use ubuntu, grub should see the woody kernel but who knows. do you have an update-grub command? |
| 03:04.25 | repp_ | you don't need to be root to run ifconfig |
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| 03:04.43 | nekostar | o: |
| 03:05.09 | nekostar | repp_, actually you might be able to answer a question i had about it |
| 03:05.17 | jessicaNZ | thc, probably, I'll boot into ubuntu and find out |
| 03:05.24 | repp_ | you have 90 seconds before I walk out the door so make it quit |
| 03:05.32 | repp_ | s/quit/quick/ |
| 03:05.34 | nekostar | i noticed the thing tends to wrap to 0 after about 4gigs.. of traffic.. any way to extend that to a few tB? |
| 03:05.42 | repp_ | no. |
| 03:05.44 | nekostar | ok |
| 03:05.46 | nekostar | thanx :) |
| 03:05.47 | repp_ | :) |
| 03:05.56 | nekostar | hf with whatever your going to do lol |
| 03:06.01 | repp_ | use something like net-acct or other traffic monitoring packages |
| 03:06.05 | nekostar | yeah |
| 03:06.11 | nekostar | looking for a simple one we shall see :D |
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| 03:10.26 | INTI_ARGENTINA | ich leven dich |
| 03:10.44 | thc | !de |
| 03:10.45 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 03:11.06 | INTI_ARGENTINA | spanish whwre??? |
| 03:11.13 | thc | heh? |
| 03:11.24 | thc | !tell INTI_ARGENTINA about es |
| 03:11.24 | jjazz | !es |
| 03:11.26 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 03:11.30 | INTI_ARGENTINA | to talk in spanish lenguaje |
| 03:11.37 | INTI_ARGENTINA | where y must go?? |
| 03:11.47 | thc | two people just told you. |
| 03:11.59 | Kovecses | #debian-es |
| 03:12.02 | thc | why do you join a channel speaking german if you speak spanish. |
| 03:12.42 | INTI_ARGENTINA | because i can talk every lenguaje in this fucking world |
| 03:12.44 | INTI_ARGENTINA | ok????¿ |
| 03:12.49 | INTI_ARGENTINA | arameo too |
| 03:12.51 | thc | cool. *plonk* |
| 03:13.08 | INTI_ARGENTINA | yes |
| 03:13.13 | INTI_ARGENTINA | yousup |
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| 03:14.12 | Kovecses | be back guys im gonna install sarge |
| 03:14.16 | xerophyte | for a Knowledgebase wiki or CMS is good ??? |
| 03:14.38 | litage | xerophyte: depends on your needs |
| 03:14.41 | jessicaNZ | thc update-grub only checks for kernels in /boot how do I get it to check for other operating systems? |
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| 03:15.53 | thc | jessicaNZ: isn't woody's kernel in /boot ? |
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| 03:16.16 | xerophyte | litage, its for support company knowledgebase to be use in the public |
| 03:16.39 | jessicaNZ | thc, yes but as I said, grub is controled by the ubuntu partition |
| 03:17.05 | litage | xerophyte: (1) determine what your needs are. (2) determine the strengths and weaknesses of the wikis and CMSs you're considering. (3) make a decision |
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| 03:17.19 | jt | any devs in here |
| 03:17.19 | thc | jessicaNZ: stupid question: why are you dual booting ubuntu and woody, if your hardware can handle ubuntu, it can handle sarge. |
| 03:17.27 | abrotman | thc: that's one hell of a tard :) |
| 03:17.32 | thc | heh! |
| 03:17.35 | abrotman | jt: many .. why ? |
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| 03:18.19 | jessicaNZ | thc, I'm going to upgrade it but I want to make it bootable first so that I know it's not going to be a waste of time to upgrade (I'm on dialup) |
| 03:18.55 | Gnea | thc: she probably doesn't have a flat-rate provider |
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| 03:19.07 | abrotman | dialup |
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| 03:19.22 | thc | jessicaNZ: i don't know what to tell you. woody uses lilo, and lilo is old, and deprecated. you should have installed sarge, and let the sarge installer handle grub and ubuntu |
| 03:19.39 | Ryouko | I have a quick question, I downloaded the net-install cd and burned it a while ago |
| 03:19.45 | Gnea | thc: i think you missed the point |
| 03:19.49 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:19.54 | abrotman | too much thc! |
| 03:19.55 | thc | Gnea: i am positive i did. |
| 03:19.57 | Ryouko | should I re-download the new vewrsion, or can i just do the apt updater to get the newest version of everything |
| 03:20.03 | Gnea | heh |
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| 03:20.13 | abrotman | Ryouko: do you know the name of the ISO you used ? |
| 03:20.24 | jessicaNZ | thc, I don't have a cd-writer and I have the woody cd's |
| 03:20.27 | Ryouko | nope |
| 03:20.31 | Ryouko | but I have the cd in front of me |
| 03:20.37 | Xenguy | abrotman: no such thing as too much thc =) |
| 03:20.40 | thc | jessicaNZ: you don't know a single person with a network and a cd burner? |
| 03:20.44 | abrotman | Xenguy: you wish |
| 03:20.55 | Xenguy | abrotman: you said it :P |
| 03:20.58 | Gnea | Xenguy: hahaha you're fucked :) |
| 03:21.07 | pierre | Hello, could someone please help me on some issues I have with xorg on debian (running on my laptop) - more precisely some dependency issues related to xserver-xfree86-dri-trunk. |
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| 03:21.12 | Xenguy | Gnea: I wish :-) |
| 03:21.24 | Gnea | Xenguy: heh. |
| 03:21.25 | dylanre | Any PPC people in here? |
| 03:21.25 | jessicaNZ | thc I'll install woody's grub and see if that works |
| 03:21.31 | Gnea | !ppc |
| 03:21.31 | dpkg | i heard ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc, or not going to be used by Apple much longer |
| 03:21.36 | Ryouko | abrotman: Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r0a "Sarge" - Official i386 Binary-1 CD |
| 03:21.47 | abrotman | Ryouko: nope .. that's fine |
| 03:21.55 | Ryouko | cool |
| 03:22.00 | abrotman | Ryouko: that is the sarge installer |
| 03:22.08 | Ryouko | be back in a few hours if I am having trouble with something :) |
| 03:22.09 | Gnea | jessicaNZ: does your isp charge by the hour? |
| 03:22.20 | Ryouko | no but your mom does! |
| 03:22.22 | Ryouko | peac |
| 03:22.23 | Ryouko | e |
| 03:22.25 | Gnea | rofl |
| 03:22.31 | jjazz | ouch! |
| 03:22.32 | jessicaNZ | gnea, no we have flat-rate |
| 03:22.36 | Gnea | that was funny |
| 03:22.40 | jt | papa doc bitch |
| 03:22.44 | Gnea | jessicaNZ: oooh ok |
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| 03:23.16 | dondelelcaro | pierre: uh... that package isn't even in Debian... |
| 03:23.22 | dondelelcaro | pierre: what precisely is the problem? |
| 03:23.39 | jessicaNZ | gnea, it'll just take ages so I want to know that I can boot the system first so I don't waste my time |
| 03:24.12 | abrotman | i'm confused .. why not boot woody with ubuntu's grub ? |
| 03:24.18 | Gnea | jessicaNZ: understandable, there are some things you'll want to do after the upgrade to make sure things go smoothly - first of all, what kernel is running? |
| 03:24.33 | jessicaNZ | 2.4.18 |
| 03:24.39 | Gnea | oh my |
| 03:24.41 | abrotman | uname -a |
| 03:24.41 | thc | abrotman: grub won't see woody's kernel |
| 03:24.45 | abrotman | why not ? |
| 03:24.48 | thc | for whatever reason |
| 03:24.51 | thc | i don't know. |
| 03:24.54 | abrotman | because update-grub won't boot it ? |
| 03:24.59 | Gnea | thc: shut up and smoke a bowl |
| 03:24.59 | Gnea | :) |
| 03:25.01 | abrotman | err find it |
| 03:25.02 | dylanre | ha |
| 03:25.05 | thc | Gnea: too late. |
| 03:25.09 | Gnea | oh |
| 03:25.19 | thc | i've already smoked three since i got off work |
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| 03:25.37 | jessicaNZ | but it's only looking un ubuntu's /boot folder woody's kernel isn't there |
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| 03:26.04 | Gnea | that's because ubuntu's menu.lst doesn't know about woody's kernels |
| 03:26.04 | thc | dondelelcaro: cheers for the printk tip (although i don't understand what i did); no more console messages though which is good |
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| 03:26.15 | dondelelcaro | thc: cool. |
| 03:26.27 | thc | Gnea: you're right, she needs to edit menu.lst |
| 03:26.29 | jessicaNZ | if I did dpkg -reconfigure grub in ubuntu might it find woody then? |
| 03:27.07 | abrotman | err (c) |
| 03:27.08 | jjazz | You know what I love? I love getting error messages that turn up zero references in google. It makes me feel unique. |
| 03:27.17 | Gnea | jessicaNZ: my first piece of advice would be to mount the woody boot partition on your running ubuntu, then edit ubuntu's menu.lst while looking at woody's menu.lst and add the entries from woody's into ubuntu's |
| 03:27.26 | abrotman | jjazz: "jjazz is a tard and can't use debian" ? .. i hate getting those |
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| 03:27.30 | pierre | dondelelcaro: My main problem is that this is the only part of my system which was not installed by me, so I don't know exactly what is going on... I have the following packages installed : drm-trunk-module-src, xlibmesa-gl1-dri-trunk and xserver-xfree86-dri-trunk. All are from http://www.nixnuts.net/ I think... These files are suppose to make DRI possible on the video card I have (IGP 340 or something like that). |
| 03:27.34 | jjazz | I'm trying to get etch to play nice with my gamepad and jscal gives me: jscal: error getting version: Inappropriate ioctl for device |
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| 03:27.49 | jjazz | abrotman, yes, that's what the error means when I babelfish it. |
| 03:27.49 | Gnea | jessicaNZ: no, that won't fix it - you'll need to add the entries manually |
| 03:27.59 | jessicaNZ | gnea, so I should install grub on woody? |
| 03:28.09 | Gnea | jessicaNZ: is it using lilo? |
| 03:28.27 | thc | woody won't have a menu.lst though.... |
| 03:28.28 | jessicaNZ | it's using a boot floppy |
| 03:28.31 | abrotman | oh ffs .. use the command line option of grub .. boot woody |
| 03:28.34 | Gnea | jessicaNZ: oh hehe |
| 03:28.44 | dondelelcaro | pierre: it's almost impossible to figure out what those packages are built against; the Debian equivalent is xlibmesa-dri et al; xserver-xfree86 is no longer provided. |
| 03:28.46 | psusi | I'm looking for an expert on grub... this is my first time using it and I'm trying to get it to work with my hardware fakeraid with these instructions: |
| 03:28.48 | psusi | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FakeRaidHowto |
| 03:28.51 | psusi | only grub seems to be getting confused between the partition and the disk itself |
| 03:28.54 | thc | woody will have /etc/lilo.conf (if she installed a bootloader) |
| 03:28.55 | Gnea | abrotman: maybe she doesn't know how? |
| 03:29.03 | abrotman | psusi: are you running ubuntu ? |
| 03:29.06 | abrotman | Gnea: help her! |
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| 03:29.17 | psusi | abrotman, yes |
| 03:29.25 | abrotman | psusi: then ask #ubuntu |
| 03:29.33 | psusi | heh... someone sugested I try here ;) |
| 03:29.34 | Gnea | jessicaNZ: can you locate the /etc/lilo.conf on woody's root fs from ubuntu? |
| 03:29.43 | abrotman | psusi: they gave you bad advice |
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| 03:30.03 | pierre | dondelelcaro: Ok, I guess my main question is how risky is it for me to apt-get remove these packages and replace them with Debian's Xserver? |
| 03:30.04 | Gnea | abrotman: i already am trying to :P |
| 03:30.05 | psusi | maybe I should just stick with lilo |
| 03:30.13 | abrotman | or ask #ubuntu |
| 03:30.19 | jessicaNZ | gnea: hang on I'll boot ubuntu |
| 03:30.26 | Gnea | jessicaNZ: ok |
| 03:30.39 | dylanre | ... |
| 03:30.40 | dylanre | ubuntu |
| 03:30.43 | dylanre | debian for kids |
| 03:30.46 | dondelelcaro | pierre: shouldn't make much difference. |
| 03:31.03 | joey___ | I'm trying to run vncserver and connect to it, but when I do, my client only shows a greyish crosshatch screen with an x as a cursor. am I doing something wrong? |
| 03:31.14 | thc | she could always chroot into woody, edit lilo.conf and add the ubuntu entry, and then run 'lilo' |
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| 03:31.46 | Gnea | thc: i say she should do it her way that she knows how and go from there |
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| 03:32.09 | thc | Gnea: word. |
| 03:32.27 | dylanre | Ubuntu actually isn't a bad distro |
| 03:32.40 | Gnea | gah, brb, ear is spewing wax |
| 03:32.46 | jjazz | I use ubuntu for laptops and debian for desktops |
| 03:32.55 | abrotman | Gnea: pepto for your ear ? |
| 03:33.00 | dylanre | sick, |
| 03:33.30 | pierre | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks, I guess I'll give it a try. |
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| 03:35.00 | Matt|CS| | Is there a way to remove everything from the system but the required system files without reinstalling the OS? I'm just hoping I don't have to do it by hand and there is some way to find out system packages from apt-get. |
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| 03:35.26 | dondelelcaro | Matt|CS|: what exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 03:35.48 | abrotman | remove all the packages but the required ones .. duh :) |
| 03:36.16 | Matt|CS| | dondelelcaro: Pretty much remove all installed packages but the needed packages to keep the system operation from a terminal. |
| 03:36.23 | dondelelcaro | Matt|CS|: your simplest method is to use aptitude and mark everything as automatically installed, and let it figure out what to remove. But that's rather pointless. |
| 03:36.35 | dondelelcaro | !real question |
| 03:36.35 | dpkg | Please tell us what the real problem is instead of wasting our time asking questions about things that you think are related to the problem. If you don't, you're just wasting your time and ours. [Far too often what you think is related to the problem actually isn't or won't help you solve your problem at all.] |
| 03:36.39 | Routed | is there a sane way to remove netkit-inetd without it also removing exim, etc? |
| 03:36.58 | jessicaNZ | Gnea: are you in #flood ? |
| 03:37.06 | Matt|CS| | dondelelcaro: I just would like to get a listing of all installed packages and I could just type them all out by hand. |
| 03:37.13 | dondelelcaro | !installed |
| 03:37.13 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; |
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| 03:42.02 | Gnea | jessicaNZ: no, i'm not, but i can be |
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| 03:42.30 | Gnea | jessicaNZ: go ahead |
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| 03:43.35 | Gnea | jessicaNZ: okay, is that an entry that you just made or is that what you found on woody's root partition? |
| 03:43.51 | jessicaNZ | I just made it |
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| 03:44.03 | Gnea | ah o |
| 03:44.04 | Gnea | ok |
| 03:44.15 | jessicaNZ | I based it off ubuntu's owh ones |
| 03:44.16 | mrnull | I accidently set a resolution that was too high when installing debian testing (netinstall). How do I reconfigure this? |
| 03:44.19 | Gnea | what did your /etc/lilo.conf on woody say? |
| 03:44.21 | jjazz | /dev/input/js0 is only readable by root. How can I let normal users access joystick data? Do I just chmod a+r /dev/input/js0? |
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| 03:44.33 | Gnea | jessicaNZ: looks good so far |
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| 03:44.39 | jessicaNZ | I didn't look |
| 03:44.54 | Gnea | did you boot into it yet with that line? |
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| 03:45.04 | jessicaNZ | when I try to boot it saya (see flood) |
| 03:45.12 | Gnea | (k) |
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| 03:46.21 | dylanre | and restricting |
| 03:46.24 | dylanre | whoops |
| 03:46.35 | Gnea | jessicaNZ: ok, try this - type grub (as root) and hit enter, you should get a grub> prompt - then type: root (hd0,6), hit enter and see if you can kernel /boot/<tab> |
| 03:47.00 | jessicaNZ | I'm at the grub menu now |
| 03:47.02 | Gnea | jessicaNZ: er, rather, use the 'kernel' command: kernel /<tab key> |
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| 03:47.29 | Gnea | if you type 'c', does it drop you to a prompt? |
| 03:47.37 | jessicaNZ | yes |
| 03:47.40 | Gnea | ok |
| 03:47.46 | Gnea | try this: |
| 03:47.53 | Gnea | root (hd,<tab key> |
| 03:48.08 | Gnea | or |
| 03:48.11 | Gnea | root (hd<tab key> |
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| 03:49.24 | jessicaNZ | gnea, partition num: 4, filesystemtype is ext2fs partition type 0x83 |
| 03:49.37 | ju4n7ux | the pppoeconf say me: not found a pppoe concentrator... why?? |
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| 03:50.32 | Gnea | jessicaNZ: ok: root (hd0,4) |
| 03:50.39 | Gnea | jessicaNZ: then try kernel /boot/<tab> |
| 03:50.40 | sixtysix | anybody knowing, if you have multiple libraries with the same name, in the libdirs, how to choose one ? |
| 03:50.47 | mrnull | exit |
| 03:51.01 | dondelelcaro | sixtysix: in what sense? |
| 03:51.28 | Gnea | ju4n7ux: because there is not pppoe concentrator. |
| 03:51.55 | sixtysix | I have much libssl.so.0.9.8 libraries in several subdirs in /lib and /usr/lib --- but want that any new started application to choose a specific one dondelecaro |
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| 03:52.16 | ju4n7ux | i have a modem adsl connect to switch... |
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| 03:52.48 | ju4n7ux | then share the connection to clients with the switch |
| 03:53.01 | jessicaNZ | gnea, there are a lot should I just tell you the vmlinuzes? |
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| 03:53.10 | ju4n7ux | in windows work very well.. but in debian i have problems.. |
| 03:54.04 | dondelelcaro | sixtysix: uh, the linker resolves that issue for you; you should only have the ones in the libssl0.9.8 package. |
| 03:54.11 | jessicaNZ | Gnea, vmlinuz-2.4.18-bf2.4 vmlinuz-2.4.18-386 |
| 03:54.24 | Gnea | jessicaNZ: there, you found it :) |
| 03:54.24 | dondelelcaro | sixtysix: if you have other ones in the paths in LD_LIBRARY_PATH than the ones in libssl0.9.8, you're asking for problems. |
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| 03:54.48 | jessicaNZ | Gnea: the 2nd one? |
| 03:54.54 | abrotman | Gnea: you forgot to set the initrd |
| 03:54.59 | sixtysix | dondelelcaro can I query ? |
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| 03:55.18 | dondelelcaro | sixtysix: keep it in the channel, please. |
| 03:55.42 | Gnea | jessicaNZ: try this: root (hd0,4) |
| 03:55.48 | Gnea | jessicaNZ: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18-386 root=/dev/hda5 ro quiet |
| 03:56.02 | Gnea | jessicaNZ: initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.4.18-386 |
| 03:56.09 | Gnea | jessicaNZ: boot |
| 03:56.28 | abrotman | pray |
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| 03:56.37 | Gnea | abrotman: initrd is taken care of :) |
| 03:56.57 | jollymr | anyone used of astguiclient in debian |
| 03:57.04 | blockd | sixtysix: have you run ldconfig? Do you just want to use the latest version? |
| 03:57.12 | abrotman | Gnea: you get a cookie! |
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| 03:57.20 | gravity | cookies are good |
| 03:57.50 | abrotman | !cookie gravity |
| 03:57.52 | dpkg | Hey abrotman, sing gravity is Gravity, you just pull me down so quietly; you just pull me back... |
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| 03:58.34 | dondelelcaro | heh. the subtle interaction between the pseudo random factoid command... |
| 03:58.36 | gravity | yaya |
| 03:58.51 | gravity | yay even |
| 03:59.24 | blockd | sixtysix: anyway, I believe man ld.so will tell you the order it searched for shared libraries |
| 03:59.29 | jessicaNZ | Gnea: um it booted and had a kernel panic and attempted to kill init |
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| 04:00.24 | Gnea | jessicaNZ: ooo... i would reboot to ubuntu ahd try to read the /etc/lilo.conf |
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| 04:00.35 | Gnea | jessicaNZ: there'll be a root= line in there that will tell you what it is |
| 04:00.55 | psusi | Gnea: you ever use grub's device command to explain non standard block devices to grub like for loopback or raid? I can't seem to get it to work correctly |
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| 04:01.14 | abrotman | psusi: #ubuntu .. really .. this is #debian .. you're running Ubuntu |
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| 04:01.26 | nekostar | hehe |
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| 04:01.35 | nekostar | you guys are so great and dont even know it: |
| 04:01.41 | psusi | abrotman, well that doesn't have a whole lot to do with grub does it? |
| 04:01.46 | gravity | I know it |
| 04:01.50 | gravity | I'm fucking awesome |
| 04:01.52 | nekostar | i just showed my roomate xfce and gimp and he's demanding i install debian in his comp |
| 04:01.53 | Gnea | psusi: naw i don't mess with software raid |
| 04:01.54 | jessicaNZ | Gnea, it said "modprobe: modprobe: Can't open dependencies file /lib/modules/2.4.18-386/modules.dep (No such file or directory)" several times before the kernel panic |
| 04:01.58 | abrotman | psusi: oh .. then ask #grub ? :) |
| 04:01.58 | nekostar | lol gravity |
| 04:02.04 | gravity | :-) |
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| 04:02.05 | psusi | hrm... |
| 04:02.06 | dondelelcaro | grub doesn't do software raid or loopback devices. |
| 04:02.12 | Gnea | jessicaNZ: try the bf24 kernel then |
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| 04:02.30 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: or root on lvm ? |
| 04:02.36 | zzzirk | I have a general question: does Debian have any issues with a dual core processor? I have no experience with them, and while I can't imagine there'd be a problem I just don't know whether it is worth getting one or not in a server to run sarge |
| 04:02.45 | dondelelcaro | zzzirk: no. |
| 04:02.51 | psusi | dondelelcaro: it looks like you should be able to get it to work using the device command... it just needs to be informed about the correct relationship between the kernel block devices and the bios disk layout |
| 04:02.59 | Tarantulafudge | I installed an app that needed to replace a few config files, I decided to say "N" to the first one, but I realize now that it meant the oposite then what I thought it meant. How do I reinstate the config I skipped over? |
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| 04:03.05 | Gnea | zzzirk: works just fine, might have to recompile the kernel tho |
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| 04:03.20 | dondelelcaro | psusi: which for certain devices can change; that way lies utter and complete madness. |
| 04:03.22 | zzzirk | thanks! |
| 04:03.26 | Tarantulafudge | Anyone? |
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| 04:03.35 | Tarantulafudge | I need to go so... |
| 04:03.38 | Gnea | !anyone |
| 04:03.38 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 04:03.53 | psusi | dondelelcaro: aye... but I'm already utterly mad... I'm booting off a hardware fakeraid raid-0 ;) |
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| 04:04.08 | zzzirk | how much performance boost would the dual cores provide me? enough to make it worthwhile getting them? |
| 04:04.13 | dondelelcaro | psusi: *shrug*; then slap a tiny raid1 on the front of that. |
| 04:04.14 | psusi | managed to get lilo to work but I want to switch to grub since it seems better |
| 04:04.19 | Gnea | Tarantulafudge: the new one should be in /etc/file.dpkg-orig or something like that |
| 04:04.24 | dondelelcaro | zzzirk: depends on what you're doing, and what processor we're talking about here. |
| 04:04.31 | zzzirk | 2.8ghz xeon |
| 04:04.36 | Gnea | er |
| 04:04.40 | Gnea | Tarantulafudge: /etc/file.dpkg-dist |
| 04:04.48 | zzzirk | if I get 2 of those vs 2 normal 3.4ghz cpus |
| 04:04.50 | psusi | dondelelcaro: would still have the same problem.. the issue isn't with the type of raid but the fact that the kernel accesses the entire disk via a /dev/mapper device instead of /dev/hda |
| 04:04.56 | Gnea | zzzirk: oh easily - just get an smp kernel |
| 04:04.58 | Tarantulafudge | okk |
| 04:05.00 | Tarantulafudge | thx |
| 04:05.05 | Gnea | m[ |
| 04:05.07 | Gnea | np |
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| 04:05.13 | zzzirk | normal being xeon 3.4ghz cpus |
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| 04:05.36 | Gnea | zzzirk: linux sees dual core as smp |
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| 04:05.53 | zzzirk | so 2 dual cores would be like 4 cpus essentially? |
| 04:05.55 | dondelelcaro | zzzirk: right, the main question is whether or not the kernel can support it; I'd presume that dual core would just look like 2 cpus. |
| 04:05.56 | Gnea | which is what it is - 2 cpu's in 1 |
| 04:06.02 | Gnea | yes. |
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| 04:06.14 | zzzirk | okay, that's what I thought but I wanted someone to verify for me before I make a recommendation |
| 04:06.19 | dondelelcaro | (unless intel was having a bad day and didn't design it that way) |
| 04:06.19 | zzzirk | thanks all for your help |
| 04:06.20 | Gnea | dondelelcaro: it does |
| 04:06.30 | Gnea | np |
| 04:06.38 | Lee22 | Hey guys this is kinda a Mac question but I have an application I'mt rying to compile from source that needs GTK. I used fink which installs it using like apt-get and it went to /sw/bin I believe but ./configure errors saying cannot find GTK, is there a way to force it to look for it? |
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| 04:06.54 | jessicaNZ | Gnea if I boot the bf2.4 should I still tell it about the initrd? That came when I installed the 2.4.18 kernel |
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| 04:07.21 | abrotman | the bf has no initrd |
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| 04:07.32 | Gnea | it doesn't? |
| 04:07.49 | dondelelcaro | Lee22: you don't have the gtk -dev package installed; or you're not giving the proper --gtk path option to ./configure. |
| 04:07.50 | abrotman | Lee22: libgtk-dev .. or something simliar |
| 04:07.51 | jessicaNZ | abrotman: that's what I thought |
| 04:08.16 | abrotman | Gnea: oh come on .. this is woody :) |
| 04:08.16 | jessicaNZ | Gnea, no that's why I installed the 2.4.18 kernel |
| 04:08.17 | Gnea | jessicaNZ: try it and see if it finds it - just replace the -i386 with the -bf2.4 in the line - maybe it's not there |
| 04:08.34 | Lee22 | The only one I see like that is gtk2+dev not just 1.2 which it wants, but I do have those installed just couldn't figure out where in ./configure u edit to type in the path |
| 04:08.37 | Gnea | it's been so long since i installed woody i honestly don't remember heh |
| 04:08.49 | jessicaNZ | it's booting |
| 04:08.53 | Gnea | :) |
| 04:09.08 | Tarantulafudge | Thats wierd, it replaced it anyways |
| 04:09.16 | Tarantulafudge | I guess because it was blank |
| 04:09.23 | jessicaNZ | it's given me a login! Hurrah! |
| 04:09.33 | abrotman | yes .. but your kernel is inherently broken |
| 04:09.35 | Gnea | !beer jessicaNZ |
| 04:09.47 | abrotman | she needs to make grub work with the initrd from woody |
| 04:09.56 | abrotman | can't run bf24 forever :) |
| 04:10.33 | Gnea | well |
| 04:10.33 | abrotman | just cause people do it ... doesn't make it right |
| 04:10.34 | Gnea | the idea is to, ultimately, get a better kernel :) |
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| 04:10.34 | jessicaNZ | would bf2.4 work with etch? |
| 04:10.35 | Gnea | !beer psusi |
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| 04:10.50 | enveezee | thats fucked up :P |
| 04:10.54 | Gnea | jessicaNZ: i doubt it - and i wouldn't recommend etch |
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| 04:11.23 | Gnea | jessicaNZ: see here's the thing about going to sarge: you can install a 2.4.27 kernel |
| 04:11.29 | Gnea | jessicaNZ: or 2.6.8 |
| 04:11.32 | enveezee | I finally got in touch with my friend on the phone I've been trying to call all day.. he's been sitting in county jail all day |
| 04:11.32 | jessicaNZ | I've had more problems with woody that etch so far |
| 04:11.35 | abrotman | i need to stop watching TV .. they just showed a joke where you replace your friend's deodorant with cream cheese |
| 04:12.06 | Gnea | abrotman: ROFL |
| 04:12.27 | enveezee | I dont know why mofos dont call me when this shit happens |
| 04:12.37 | abrotman | enveezee: because you look good in a speedo ? |
| 04:12.47 | Gnea | enveezee: are you a lawyer? |
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| 04:12.56 | thc | if that happened to me i'd wipe my armpit with a bagel and eat it |
| 04:12.59 | enveezee | getting people out of jail is harder than preventing them from going in the first place |
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| 04:13.09 | abrotman | enveezee: anyone we know ??!?!! |
| 04:13.09 | enveezee | even with enough money getting someone out of jail isnt easy |
| 04:13.18 | enveezee | Gnea: worse a politician |
| 04:13.24 | sixtysix | anybody knowing what that means ? /usr/lib/i686/cmov/libssl.so.0.9.8: no version information available (required by apache) |
| 04:13.34 | Gnea | jessicaNZ: seriously, you'll be better off upgrading to sarge - if you upgrade to etch and something goes wrong, you'd have to start over with woody and upgrade all over again |
| 04:13.56 | dondelelcaro | enveezee: it's not that hard; you just get a writ, and force arraignment or release. |
| 04:13.59 | enveezee | abrotman: nobody _YOU_ know |
| 04:14.10 | abrotman | enveezee: i meant that you've talkeda bout in here :) |
| 04:14.13 | Gnea | enveezee: in pa?! |
| 04:14.13 | jessicaNZ | Gnea I was going to upgrade to sarge first anyway |
| 04:14.16 | jessicaNZ | then etch |
| 04:14.28 | Gnea | jessicaNZ: i don't recommend it, but it's your call. |
| 04:14.28 | dondelelcaro | jessicaNZ: yes; you have to upgrade to sarge first. |
| 04:14.44 | dondelelcaro | (I'd suggest staying there, but that's your call) |
| 04:14.49 | enveezee | Gnea: yes |
| 04:14.52 | jessicaNZ | I run etch on my own machine and have had no problems with it so far |
| 04:15.19 | jessicaNZ | Gnea what's so wrong with etch? |
| 04:15.21 | Gnea | jessicaNZ: so do you recall the /boot partition that ubuntu uses? |
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| 04:15.36 | jessicaNZ | yes |
| 04:15.56 | Gnea | jessicaNZ: is missing many packages, it breaks sometimes... then again, i run sid, and it's nearly just as bad, except the packages remain |
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| 04:16.12 | Gnea | but i can also upgrade and fix a sid box within 2 hours |
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| 04:16.24 | Gnea | so it leverages |
| 04:16.44 | sanxiyn | Unless there's another C++ transition or so, testing should be in better shape now... |
| 04:16.44 | sandman | Does Xnest read any configuration files @ start? |
| 04:16.53 | gravity | There will be another C++ transition |
| 04:16.56 | gravity | Like, real soon |
| 04:16.59 | sanxiyn | gravity: ... |
| 04:17.03 | abrotman | gravity: you lie! |
| 04:17.06 | gravity | No joke |
| 04:17.10 | jessicaNZ | well it's just going to have the core kdebase packages and kppp and koffice those things shouldn't go missing surely |
| 04:17.18 | gravity | let me grabt he link |
| 04:17.27 | abrotman | that's it .. i'm moving to gentoo .. they use the same shit for years! |
| 04:17.30 | Gnea | jessicaNZ: anyway, mount that /boot partition somewhere and edit the woody line there, replacing (hd0,6) with (hd0,4) and the kernel line with for bf24 |
| 04:17.54 | gravity | http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/11/msg00080.html |
| 04:17.59 | dondelelcaro | gravity: yeah, because g++ can't keep the same abi to save themselves. |
| 04:18.00 | Gnea | abrotman: that's cuz it takes years for it to work ;) |
| 04:18.04 | jessicaNZ | I've done that already |
| 04:18.06 | gravity | I understand that this one will be a little faster |
| 04:18.21 | gravity | dondelelcaro: I blame C++ for being the language of Doom |
| 04:18.21 | Gnea | jessicaNZ: sorry, yer on track |
| 04:18.24 | jjazz | dondelelcaro, what is an abi? |
| 04:18.30 | sanxiyn | gravity: Eh, so it's true. |
| 04:18.33 | sanxiyn | :( |
| 04:18.40 | jessicaNZ | Gnea: thank you so much for your help you've taught me a lot |
| 04:18.46 | Gnea | jessicaNZ: you're welcome |
| 04:18.54 | sanxiyn | abrotman: I thought Gentoo haven't moved to GCC 4.0 yet. |
| 04:19.15 | abrotman | sanxiyn: ask someone who knows :) |
| 04:19.22 | abrotman | !abi |
| 04:19.30 | abrotman | how can dpkg not know abi ? |
| 04:19.31 | dondelelcaro | jjazz: application binary interface. |
| 04:19.42 | dondelelcaro | jjazz: basically, it's the compiled API. |
| 04:19.47 | sanxiyn | dpkg, abi is application binary interface. |
| 04:19.48 | dpkg | sanxiyn: okay |
| 04:20.04 | jjazz | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:20.25 | dondelelcaro | 26920 don 16 0 1230m 519m 7992 S 72 51.5 12:02.86 java... yeargh. |
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| 04:20.47 | zinx | dondelelcaro: wow how'd you get it to take so little? |
| 04:20.54 | dondelelcaro | zinx: uh... this machine has 1G... |
| 04:20.56 | jessicaNZ | bye everybody! |
| 04:20.58 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: no more azerus for you! :) |
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| 04:21.00 | zinx | dondelelcaro: ;) |
| 04:21.10 | dondelelcaro | and no, it's not even running azerus... |
| 04:21.32 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i hope it's something mildly useful |
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| 04:21.46 | dondelelcaro | it's running haploview or something; the thing uses about 100 times more memory than the equivalent code in R that I wrote in a hour. |
| 04:21.58 | abrotman | yay! |
| 04:22.28 | sanxiyn | dondelelcaro: Perhaps your R code is not equivalent. |
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| 04:23.06 | vladuz976 | anybody know a good editor for webdesign? like dreamweaver? i need to do css too |
| 04:23.13 | dondelelcaro | sanxiyn: it is equivalent for the job that I'm interested in; the key thing here is that my R code doesn't attempt to screw with the entire datastructure in memory. |
| 04:23.14 | abrotman | bluefish |
| 04:23.23 | dondelelcaro | emacs or vim is decent |
| 04:23.23 | vladuz976 | does it do css? |
| 04:23.24 | abrotman | dunno about css though |
| 04:23.30 | abrotman | it should though |
| 04:23.38 | dondelelcaro | and since last time I checked, CSS was still text, they do CSS too. |
| 04:23.48 | sanxiyn | From Planet Mozilla I heard that NVU team is working on kick-ass CSS editor. |
| 04:23.49 | abrotman | i think he means highlighted |
| 04:24.05 | vladuz976 | dondelelcaro: vim is good i but i don't know css that well yet. |
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| 04:24.17 | sanxiyn | (That knows about entire CSS spec, grammar checks as you type, autocompletion, instant application, etc.) |
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| 04:24.48 | sanxiyn | vim does CSS highlighting, and I think indent help, but that's it. |
| 04:25.18 | User472 | Hey all, I have a friend on a games nicknamed Xasr, now is that pronounces "Ex-ahh-ser", orr...? |
| 04:25.34 | abrotman | wtf |
| 04:25.42 | User472 | lol |
| 04:25.54 | User472 | Anyone here have an idea? |
| 04:26.09 | CompWizrd | what about vigor!? |
| 04:26.18 | dondelelcaro | they don't exist here. |
| 04:26.26 | User472 | How the hell do you pronounce Xasr? >< |
| 04:26.32 | abrotman | ask google |
| 04:26.35 | User472 | I did |
| 04:26.43 | abrotman | and we're smarter than google ? |
| 04:26.45 | blockd | how about ask Xasr? |
| 04:26.51 | User472 | Hes offline |
| 04:26.57 | abrotman | well .. be patient |
| 04:27.02 | abrotman | damn kids these days |
| 04:27.06 | dondelelcaro | User472: well, wait, and then ask him. In any case, it's totally OT for #debian. |
| 04:27.07 | User472 | And were going on ventrilio today, and I dont want to sound like an idiot.. |
| 04:27.09 | sandman | I want my Xnest to run a window manager of some sort |
| 04:27.21 | abrotman | User472: too late |
| 04:27.25 | travisat_ | User472: ex-Aye-Ess-Are |
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| 04:27.56 | travisat_ | it took me too long to think how to phrase that |
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| 04:28.17 | User472 | It sure looks cool though...Xasr the rogue :D |
| 04:28.23 | User472 | -_- |
| 04:28.25 | dbron | !seen greycat |
| 04:28.26 | dpkg | greycat <i=rfc1413@wooledge.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-bots, 43d 14h 33m 31s ago, saying: ':sniff:'. |
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| 04:28.40 | User472 | The only thing hard about deb is debootstrap, what the hell do you guys talk about all day? |
| 04:28.54 | sanxiyn | User472: ? |
| 04:28.55 | dondelelcaro | stuff. We talk about lots of stuff. |
| 04:29.09 | encompass | big fat stuff |
| 04:29.15 | sandman | Talking nerdy turns me off, User472. Tell me something about package management.. mmm |
| 04:29.19 | dondelelcaro | User472: in any case, you're veering way off topic. Do you have anything #debian related to ask us about? |
| 04:29.21 | encompass | big festering stuff |
| 04:29.28 | sandman | Did I say turns me off? I meant turns me on. |
| 04:29.28 | User472 | package management is good. |
| 04:29.30 | User472 | lol |
| 04:29.41 | sanxiyn | Wow, that's insightful. |
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| 04:30.05 | User472 | but yes, I ahve a debian question |
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| 04:30.14 | travisat_ | exim sucks, how do you get rid of exim |
| 04:30.20 | abrotman | install another mta |
| 04:30.26 | travisat_ | no shit |
| 04:30.29 | sandman | That's why I come here. Because I'm cybering the whole time, and nobody knows it. Dondelelcaro is my hero, I dream of him always. Well, anyway, I was wondering if someone could help me get a window manager to start with Xnest |
| 04:30.33 | travisat_ | I don't want a mta |
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| 04:30.40 | abrotman | !info nullmailer |
| 04:30.42 | dondelelcaro | travisat_: you need an mta. |
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| 04:30.46 | dpkg | nullmailer: (simple relay-only mail transport agent), section mail, is extra. Version: 1:1.00-3 (sid), Packaged size: 79 kB, Installed size: 404 kB |
| 04:30.52 | encompass | I don't have one |
| 04:30.52 | dondelelcaro | travisat_: you may think you don't want one, but in the end, you really do. |
| 04:30.55 | sanxiyn | travisat_: Debian mostly forces you to have some sort of MTA. |
| 04:30.57 | abrotman | i guess that's not gonna work |
| 04:30.57 | User472 | Im trying to dual boot my RAID drive, but my bios is going all wtf to me, I try to recompile my distrobution, but my discomfabulators going zoiven! |
| 04:30.59 | travisat_ | dondelelcaro: why? |
| 04:30.59 | encompass | I made it so it doesn't boot with it |
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| 04:31.17 | encompass | travisat_: to send messages to you if there is a problem in you computer |
| 04:31.17 | dondelelcaro | travisat_: because you want to be able to get mail off of your machine. Install nullmailer or similar. |
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| 04:31.38 | encompass | travisat_: I got rid of it |
| 04:31.42 | travisat_ | dondelelcaro: okay, but I never check it :) |
| 04:31.44 | abrotman | !gravity++ |
| 04:31.50 | encompass | uninstall exim then remove it from the boot option |
| 04:31.51 | dondelelcaro | travisat_: *shrug* |
| 04:32.07 | rapsys | I got a undefined versioned symbol name zend_standard_class_def@VERS_5.0 |
| 04:32.14 | rapsys | but the symbol is defined |
| 04:32.18 | encompass | travisat_: I have to sqeeze every bit of ram so I did it |
| 04:32.22 | rapsys | ad a B symbol |
| 04:32.32 | gravity | Man, the beta band is freaking weird |
| 04:32.37 | rapsys | anyone know how I could get such result ? |
| 04:32.41 | gravity | In a totally awesome way |
| 04:32.45 | travisat_ | encompass: I think I will just install nullmail, I have 768 megs of ram, I can handle that, I just hate watching exim start up every time I boot |
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| 04:33.01 | travisat_ | I don't know how to pronounce exim |
| 04:33.02 | sanxiyn | travisat_: I see. |
| 04:33.12 | rapsys | if I change the name @VERS_5.0 in the file I have got an error on some othe symbol |
| 04:33.12 | sanxiyn | ek sim? |
| 04:33.14 | infinity1 | dpkg -P exim |
| 04:33.23 | encompass | travisat_: that is sad... I tried buying some sodimms and the guy said he can't even order it for me. |
| 04:33.25 | rapsys | any idea what's wrong ? |
| 04:33.26 | encompass | I was shocked |
| 04:33.43 | encompass | I felt like I was being racially assaulted |
| 04:33.54 | travisat_ | encompass: I got a 512 notebook ddr at bestbuy for 60 |
| 04:34.07 | encompass | but I need sodimms! |
| 04:34.41 | encompass | I have to 64s in this little lappy |
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| 04:34.44 | encompass | two |
| 04:34.48 | travisat_ | actually I got 2 512s but my computer wont recognize 1024, but it works with a 512 and a 256, I guess my motherboard is on the fritz |
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| 04:35.15 | encompass | travisat_: happens alot with that neweer memery |
| 04:35.34 | travisat_ | dell laptop motherboards are freakin expensive...it won't recognize the 2 256s it came with either |
| 04:35.39 | encompass | I tried mixing corsair and kingston with the same prob |
| 04:35.50 | travisat_ | mine are both kingston |
| 04:35.50 | sandman | This one time, at band camp, I put a 512M stick of ram in my laptop computer and it wouldn't boot anymore. |
| 04:36.01 | sandman | And it was because it was a compaq laptop, and it needed proprietary RAM or some junk. |
| 04:36.20 | travisat_ | sandman: i had to update my bios to recognize non-proprietary ram |
| 04:36.22 | encompass | this one time at band camp, I stuff those same sticks up my counselors butt |
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| 04:37.01 | sandman | encompass: Whenever I think of you, my butthole dilates. Can someone please help me with getting gnome-session to start with Xnest? |
| 04:37.25 | travisat_ | xnest? why not try the thingy that comes with gnome |
| 04:37.32 | encompass | sandman: I have no idea what xnest is |
| 04:37.36 | sandman | The gdmXnest? |
| 04:37.51 | travisat_ | I don't know what its called, but you can start a new gdm |
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| 04:38.31 | travisat_ | pardon the offtopic, but I forgot how to msg whatsisname to get rid of this damn _ |
| 04:39.10 | sandman | nickserv. Tell him identify |
| 04:39.12 | sandman | or tell him "help" |
| 04:39.22 | travisat_ | nickserv, thats his name, thanks |
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| 04:40.43 | RungeKutta | Is resier3 an option with th netinst cd's? |
| 04:41.03 | zinx | god i hope not |
| 04:41.06 | RungeKutta | heh |
| 04:41.21 | zinx | why would you want to use a slow unstable filesystem? |
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| 04:41.31 | RungeKutta | ... |
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| 04:42.05 | RungeKutta | Am I thinking of resier4 then? |
| 04:42.19 | zinx | i hear reiser4's no where near as slow |
| 04:42.43 | zinx | haven't heard much about its stability though, and it requires kernel patching last i checked |
| 04:42.47 | travisat | reseir4 is not what it is cracked up to be, unless you have a special interest in its specialities, of which most normal users don't |
| 04:43.02 | Whistleboy | Does kdebase-dev contain KDE headers? |
| 04:43.09 | travisat | plus grub has issues with reiser4 |
| 04:43.22 | zinx | yeah, just go with ext3 unless you have a really *really* good reason that you're aware of that you need to use reiser |
| 04:43.23 | RungeKutta | well at any rate, I think I used reiser3 for a couple years and never had a problem with it |
| 04:43.35 | RungeKutta | and it seemed a lot faster than ext3 |
| 04:43.43 | sanxiyn | RungeKutta: Good for you. |
| 04:43.44 | travisat | its not really |
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| 04:43.58 | zinx | it's a lot slower |
| 04:43.58 | RungeKutta | sanxiyn: well I'm just responding to zinx |
| 04:44.05 | zinx | especially for small files, interestingly |
| 04:44.09 | RungeKutta | heh |
| 04:44.17 | zinx | i know because i've actually benchmarked it :P~ |
| 04:44.24 | RungeKutta | cool |
| 04:44.27 | zinx | for any task i'd do, it's very bad. |
| 04:44.39 | RungeKutta | I've got xfs running on another machine too |
| 04:44.50 | RungeKutta | what do you think of that |
| 04:45.04 | zinx | dunno, seems around the same as ext3 |
| 04:45.10 | zinx | it has some interesting tools though |
| 04:45.14 | travisat | ext2 is pretty fast |
| 04:45.17 | RungeKutta | yea |
| 04:45.23 | zinx | such as the defragmenter that runs whilst the drive is mounted read/write |
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| 04:45.36 | sanxiyn | travisat: Surely ext2 is faster than ext3. |
| 04:45.50 | zinx | sanxiyn: depends on if you have journalling enabled or not :P |
| 04:45.57 | travisat | well ext3 is basically ext2 with journalling |
| 04:45.59 | RungeKutta | I don't think I'd go with a non-journaling FS |
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| 04:46.12 | RungeKutta | mainly because I hate the startup times |
| 04:46.14 | yos87 | hi timido |
| 04:46.27 | RungeKutta | and I had some problems with power outages for a bit |
| 04:46.37 | zinx | RungeKutta: oh, XFS does tend to lose data at power outtages, because it caches so much |
| 04:46.46 | travisat | RungeKutta: laptop or backup powersource are god-sends |
| 04:46.49 | zinx | (not filesystem integrity - just data) |
| 04:47.07 | RungeKutta | travisat: might be true but I didnt have them |
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| 04:47.52 | travisat | RungeKutta: you don't need an expensive backup, just one with enough time for you to save what your doing and poweroff |
| 04:48.39 | RungeKutta | sometimes I also forget to unmount in colinux when I shut down xp |
| 04:48.48 | sandman | Does Xnest read any configuration files upon starting? |
| 04:49.02 | travisat | sandman: man xnest? |
| 04:49.02 | mick_laptop | how can i see all the debian channels? |
| 04:49.15 | mick_laptop | i thought /list debian* |
| 04:50.21 | yos87 | why I cannot get the channel list? |
| 04:50.25 | travisat | mick_laptop: you can find listings of freenodes channels on google |
| 04:50.27 | takatumi | /msg chanserv list #debian* |
| 04:50.35 | yos87 | I was getting it before |
| 04:51.04 | mick_laptop | thanks |
| 04:52.06 | xbmodder | is: Requests per second: 2485.63 [#/sec] (mean) good? |
| 04:52.22 | RungeKutta | of what? |
| 04:52.43 | travisat | its good for me |
| 04:52.48 | xbmodder | apache HTML page requests. |
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| 04:52.52 | travisat | I normally average about 10 |
| 04:53.45 | RungeKutta | xbmodder: well I guess that depends, is the increase in traffic good for you? |
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| 04:54.00 | xbmodder | sure :-/ |
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| 04:54.09 | RungeKutta | ok heh, well then I guess its good then :) |
| 04:54.17 | Garrett | Good evening. |
| 04:55.01 | travisat | Hi I'm drunk, what are you doing friday? |
| 04:55.02 | Garrett | I've got a question if someone would be so kind as to answer it, if they have some time... |
| 04:55.22 | Garrett | Friday uhm...probably getting drunk actually. |
| 04:55.29 | Garrett | Birthday is on Saturday... |
| 04:55.32 | Garrett | ;-) |
| 04:56.39 | travisat | just to lets you know, its hard to read your mind |
| 04:57.26 | Garrett | I have Deb on my 80GB IDE drive, mmkay? Windoze (which was installed first) on my SATA drive. |
| 04:57.35 | Garrett | Deb boots fine with GRUB. |
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| 04:57.58 | Garrett | However, GRUB doesn't list Windows in the menu on boot. |
| 04:58.32 | Garrett | n00b question for you: How do I add my SATA Windows drive to GRUB so I can still boot it? |
| 04:59.10 | Garrett | I Googled (obviously not well enough) on adding drives to GRUB, have the general syntax of adding them. |
| 04:59.15 | travisat | the grub /boot/grub/menu.lst file is what you need to edit, and it should have enough info in it to help you |
| 04:59.33 | Garrett | Edited it. |
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| 04:59.44 | Garrett | I ran into the problem of which drive it would be. |
| 04:59.55 | travisat | what drive is it listed in fdisk |
| 05:00.05 | Garrett | Since it's a SATA drive, is it still designated as uhm... hd1 or whateva? |
| 05:00.15 | Garrett | Windows is sda1 |
| 05:00.25 | travisat | then it is probable (hd0,0) |
| 05:00.47 | yos | why I cannot get the channel list |
| 05:01.17 | Garrett | It already has hd0,0 down as Linux. |
| 05:01.20 | SimonRaven | yos: do /msg chanserv list someregex |
| 05:01.24 | Garrett | Unless I'm dumb and it should be the same thing. |
| 05:01.32 | travisat | then try hd1,0 |
| 05:01.41 | Garrett | Did, to no avail. |
| 05:01.58 | yos | simonraven: how |
| 05:02.11 | Garrett | When I selected it during boot, it just spit out what I had entered into the menu.lst file under Windows. |
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| 05:02.17 | SimonRaven | i just told you how |
| 05:02.20 | yos | when I click chennel list , its empty |
| 05:02.26 | travisat | Garrett: what did you enter? |
| 05:02.42 | travisat | should have a chainloader and whatnot |
| 05:02.44 | SimonRaven | type what i said into your irc client |
| 05:02.49 | Garrett | My menu.lst entry reads as follows: |
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| 05:02.54 | travisat | don't paste |
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| 05:03.05 | SimonRaven | substitute 'someregex' for whatever you're looking for |
| 05:03.06 | travisat | !paste |
| 05:03.07 | dpkg | i guess paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 05:03.26 | Garrett | !paste titleWindows XP |
| 05:03.26 | Garrett | rootnoverify (hd1,0) |
| 05:03.26 | Garrett | makeactive |
| 05:03.26 | Garrett | chainloader +1 |
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| 05:03.27 | dpkg | titleWindows XP: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
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| 05:03.42 | Garrett | Obviously did that wrong. |
| 05:03.55 | SimonRaven | uh, folow the instructions |
| 05:04.00 | SimonRaven | follow* |
| 05:04.34 | yos | I did , but nothing happen |
| 05:04.41 | yos | simon |
| 05:04.46 | Garrett | Sorry about that, what are you wanting to know now, travisat? |
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| 05:04.55 | BillHarris | There's a grave bug in guile-1.6-libs (#337346) (unstable) that's keeping gnucash from installing, and it's been around since the weekend (or perhaps longer). ... |
| 05:05.07 | BillHarris | Is there an accepted way of finding out when it's likely to be fixed? |
| 05:05.19 | BillHarris | See, for ex., http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.rc/browse_thread/thread/8b4137e1970cbf37/f9c7263b3065a919?lnk=st&q=gnucash+debian&rnum=1#f9c7263b3065a919 |
| 05:05.26 | travisat | Garrett: I am not sure it looks correct. I can only guess that you hd is wrong or that grub has an issue booting windows on sata. |
| 05:05.40 | travisat | s/sure/sure,/ |
| 05:05.57 | travisat | it does look correct to clarify |
| 05:06.13 | Garrett | Alrighty, thank you much. |
| 05:06.29 | Garrett | You've narrowed my troubleshooting down. :-) Thanks again. |
| 05:07.55 | yos | simonraven: I did, but nothing happen |
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| 05:08.21 | nekostar | omfg |
| 05:08.25 | nekostar | its so official |
| 05:08.27 | SimonRaven | yos: it probably opened into a new window |
| 05:08.32 | nekostar | i have absolutely no need for windows |
| 05:08.34 | nekostar | \o/ |
| 05:08.43 | sandman | How can I get Xnest to run someone @ commandline? |
| 05:08.44 | nekostar | ive been testing and playing and WOW |
| 05:08.51 | sandman | Like Xnest :1 -- gnome-session& or something |
| 05:08.57 | yos | simonraven: it was opening , I reinstall, but no value |
| 05:09.05 | gravity | sandman: Try google. There's tons of docs out there on xnest that I found a while back. |
| 05:09.07 | sandman | nekostar: Isn't it grand? |
| 05:09.11 | yos | simon: it's always coming empty |
| 05:09.13 | nekostar | sandman, |
| 05:09.15 | nekostar | what i wanna know |
| 05:09.19 | nekostar | is other than showing my friendss |
| 05:09.24 | nekostar | what can i do to help debain |
| 05:09.28 | sandman | nekostar: Read. |
| 05:09.29 | yos | simon: do youthink should I format! |
| 05:09.34 | nekostar | read? |
| 05:09.41 | sandman | nekostar: Start reading @ debian.org. But don't do it for Debian, do it for yourself. |
| 05:09.50 | gravity | nekostar: Get involved in wherever you see a need for improvement. |
| 05:10.01 | sandman | Debian can be a life-long tool for a lot of things. Learn it, use it to your advantage :) |
| 05:10.01 | nekostar | sure sure.. but helping a great community get better is what i wanna do! |
| 05:10.04 | nekostar | besides |
| 05:10.05 | travisat | yes, help your grammar to raise the status-quo of debian users, additionally follow above advice |
| 05:10.06 | gravity | nekostar: If you want something in Debian, make it happen |
| 05:10.08 | nekostar | the new windows scares me |
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| 05:10.22 | nekostar | what vista is becoming and all... |
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| 05:10.45 | nekostar | yeah ok but wow |
| 05:10.48 | SimonRaven | yos: there is nothing that you have to reinstall. you type the command, that's all |
| 05:10.48 | nekostar | just wow |
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| 05:11.17 | TalkSoup | hola |
| 05:11.22 | yos | simon : I type alrady |
| 05:11.24 | TalkSoup | alguien habla español? |
| 05:11.29 | gravity | !es |
| 05:11.29 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 05:11.33 | yos | simon: can u tell me the command again |
| 05:11.40 | TalkSoup | sorry |
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| 05:12.11 | travisat | yos: /msg chanserv #blah |
| 05:12.24 | travisat | I mean /msg chanserv list #blah |
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| 05:13.03 | TalkSoup | hi |
| 05:13.04 | travisat | and somehow there is a channel #blah |
| 05:13.18 | TalkSoup | i have problems with intenet, maybe with DHCP |
| 05:14.15 | TalkSoup | can someone help me? |
| 05:15.01 | yos | I did , but it still coming empty |
| 05:15.16 | travisat | well then the channel probably doesn't exit |
| 05:15.18 | yos | dimon: it was working |
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| 05:15.29 | TalkSoup | hello guys |
| 05:15.30 | SimonRaven | /msg chanserv list someregex |
| 05:15.34 | sandman | gnome-session keeps telling me I'm already running a session manager.. |
| 05:15.39 | TalkSoup | i need help |
| 05:15.45 | SimonRaven | yos: example: /msg chanserv list debian* |
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| 05:16.34 | travisat | SimonRaven: that actually doesn't work |
| 05:16.46 | travisat | I think something is wrong with chanserv |
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| 05:17.00 | TalkSoup | please, can anybody help me? |
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| 05:17.14 | yos | simonraven: I did also but nothing happen |
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| 05:17.51 | dli | Warning: time of day goes back (-1222074us), taking countermeasures |
| 05:17.53 | travisat | TalkSoup: be more specific and somebody might help you. I won't because i don't know much about dhcp, but somebody might if you gave more information |
| 05:18.37 | TalkSoup | ok, i just wanted to know if someone was reading |
| 05:18.39 | travisat | dli: uh. go to your nearest bomb shelter |
| 05:18.55 | yos | simon: it's not working |
| 05:19.13 | dli | TalkSoup, looks like a 2.4 kernel bug |
| 05:19.18 | TalkSoup | in my cpu i have a partition with windows xp and another with debian sarge |
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| 05:19.56 | TalkSoup | my problem start when i use winxp, restar to get in debian |
| 05:20.06 | dli | TalkSoup, time? |
| 05:20.16 | TalkSoup | because debian don't recognise my internet connection |
| 05:20.24 | M0nk3yB0y | I was talking with a friend about using Ubuntu for a server but he said one of his buddies (Debian Guru) said it was a bad idea... any comments? |
| 05:20.27 | travisat | TalkSoup: simple don't use winxp |
| 05:20.36 | gravity | M0nk3yB0y: Ask in #ubuntu |
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| 05:20.40 | dli | TalkSoup, what kind of connection? |
| 05:20.54 | TalkSoup | i konow, i don't like it, my it's te family's pc |
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| 05:21.10 | yos | hi ryan |
| 05:21.37 | M0nk3yB0y | gravity: right... but I want a Debian opinion not an Ubuntu? |
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| 05:21.42 | TalkSoup | mmm connection, i have internet by cable modem |
| 05:21.44 | ryan` | Does anyone know the URL for the repository with the updated packages needed to run a 2.6 kernel on woody? |
| 05:22.00 | dli | M0nk3yB0y, the anser is "we don't care", hehe |
| 05:22.02 | gravity | M0nk3yB0y: We can tell you why Debian is good for a server, but I don't want to encourage Ubuntu bashing |
| 05:22.09 | gravity | M0nk3yB0y: Make sense? |
| 05:22.16 | M0nk3yB0y | gravity: Yeah |
| 05:22.20 | TalkSoup | i discovered a way to fi the problem, but it is not intelligent |
| 05:22.23 | nekostar | hum |
| 05:22.37 | nekostar | if debian falls under gnu right? then the contennts of it usually do? |
| 05:22.54 | dli | TalkSoup, what happens if you simply run "pump -i eth0" |
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| 05:23.13 | nekostar | what if i took some of my screen savers and just captured the frames they print... would that be something kewl to spread as long as one gave credit? |
| 05:23.17 | TalkSoup | if i put de ubuntu cd and start de instalaltion, the porcess recognize my network, so if i stop the installation and restar to boot in debian, debian recognize the netork |
| 05:23.18 | dli | TalkSoup, I suppose it's dhcp |
| 05:23.27 | sunfx | anyone familiar with deian sparc on a sun ultra 10 who could help me with a keyoard mapping prolem? :( |
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| 05:23.33 | nekostar | ive a dual monitor setup and its a bear trying to find some nice desktops :P |
| 05:23.39 | TalkSoup | dli, i'll do what you said |
| 05:24.02 | concept10 | #join #mysql |
| 05:24.16 | ryan` | apt, 2.6 woody |
| 05:24.21 | TalkSoup | dli: pump: command not found |
| 05:24.24 | dli | TalkSoup, you may have to install pump first, apt-get install pump |
| 05:24.26 | sunfx | the 'b' key makes kde pause for a moment and then doesn't type anything |
| 05:24.50 | ryan` | dpkg, 2.6 woody |
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| 05:25.02 | TalkSoup | ok |
| 05:25.50 | TalkSoup | is it ok if dhcp3-client wuld be removed? |
| 05:25.52 | takatumi | ryan`: /msg dpkg bunk 2.6 |
| 05:26.09 | dli | TalkSoup, you can just use dh-client3 |
| 05:26.17 | ryan` | takatumi, thanks a bunch, that's what I was looking for. |
| 05:26.22 | warreng | dotdeb doesn't have apache 2.2... anybody know where i could find that? |
| 05:26.37 | warreng | (a deb package) |
| 05:26.39 | TalkSoup | i'm sorry dli, i'm a little lost |
| 05:26.55 | deadcat | warreng: 213? |
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| 05:27.17 | dli | TalkSoup, I think the command is either dhclient3 or dh-client3 |
| 05:28.15 | dli | TalkSoup, run "dhclient3 eth0" |
| 05:28.21 | TalkSoup | wait, i'm trying to install PUMP, and aptitude says that dcp3-client will be removed? do i continue? |
| 05:28.31 | TalkSoup | ok |
| 05:28.40 | dli | TalkSoup, no, just use dhclient3 |
| 05:28.46 | TalkSoup | ok ;) |
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| 05:29.16 | dli | TalkSoup, you said "debian doesn't recognize network", what in your /etc/network/interface |
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| 05:29.25 | dli | TalkSoup, "interfaces" |
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| 05:30.19 | dli | TalkSoup, if you have have it in /etc/network/interfaces, add two lines |
| 05:30.31 | dli | TalkSoup, auto eth0 |
| 05:30.37 | TalkSoup | dli, i used the command that you said, and it gave some information, that i think that it is correct, because i have internet now (i did the ubuntu process) |
| 05:30.43 | dli | TalkSoup, iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 05:31.08 | dli | TalkSoup, what's in your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:31.17 | TalkSoup | il look for the "interfaces" |
| 05:32.39 | TalkSoup | ok, it says: |
| 05:32.55 | TalkSoup | the loopback network interfaces |
| 05:32.59 | TalkSoup | auto lo |
| 05:33.08 | TalkSoup | iface lo inet loopback |
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| 05:33.18 | TalkSoup | the primary network interface |
| 05:33.18 | squareff | any reason timidity would work and kmid not? |
| 05:33.22 | TalkSoup | auto eth0 |
| 05:33.30 | TalkSoup | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 05:34.01 | dli | TalkSoup, it's dhcp already |
| 05:34.59 | TalkSoup | dli, remmeber the info of dhclient3...? i see the same lines when i boot debian and everything it's ok |
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| 05:35.27 | TalkSoup | but when its wrong there's a line "b44: etho BUG!... |
| 05:35.34 | TalkSoup | something like that |
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| 05:35.55 | dli | TalkSoup, maybe your kernel is too old, try to upgrade it |
| 05:36.03 | dli | TalkSoup, "uname -a" |
| 05:36.03 | TalkSoup | ok |
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| 05:36.30 | dli | TalkSoup, I had kernel problem with b44 with 2.4 kernel |
| 05:36.46 | TalkSoup | linux cerezo 2.4.27-2-686 |
| 05:37.08 | dli | TalkSoup, try 2.6 kernel |
| 05:37.09 | TalkSoup | :O i have kernel 2.4 |
| 05:37.14 | TalkSoup | ok |
| 05:37.45 | TalkSoup | how i have to do that? ' have never upgraded the kernel |
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| 05:38.17 | dli | TalkSoup, what's your cpu? "cat /proc/cpuinfo" |
| 05:38.17 | Snake-Eyes | Talksoup, http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/index.php |
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| 05:38.57 | dli | TalkSoup, you can install either kernel-image-2.6-k7 or kernel-image-2.6-686 |
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| 05:39.21 | TalkSoup | by aptitude? |
| 05:39.31 | omi | hey all, what causes some fonts to be rendered like crap and others to be rendered fine. If you go to a website heading fonts look like noise |
| 05:39.31 | dvsdude | hey all |
| 05:39.41 | TalkSoup | what info do you want from my cpe? |
| 05:39.45 | omi | anyone encountered that issue? |
| 05:39.56 | dli | TalkSoup, you select it's k7 or 686 or whatever |
| 05:40.10 | deadcat | centericq fucking sucks. it d/c but the damn list is still there. then when i send, it reconnect |
| 05:40.13 | TalkSoup | ok |
| 05:40.16 | dli | TalkSoup, aptitude install kernel-image-2.6-k7 |
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| 05:40.37 | dvsdude | omi, character encoding in your browser?? |
| 05:40.48 | TalkSoup | ok, thanks |
| 05:40.57 | TalkSoup | i will install that kernel |
| 05:41.01 | omi | same thing in konqueror and in firefox |
| 05:41.22 | TalkSoup | thnaks dli and thanks Snake-Eyes |
| 05:41.23 | omi | I think some package got deleted in this case but I cannot put my finger on it |
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| 05:41.32 | dvsdude | omi, check out view in firefox see what the character encoding is change it might help |
| 05:41.50 | TalkSoup | i will come when i finish the installation |
| 05:41.55 | omi | but did konqueror start having the same issue, but I'll do that |
| 05:42.07 | d03boy | how can I see what programs are using up all my memory (in order of most used) |
| 05:42.29 | dli | TalkSoup, use grub, and run "upgrade-grub" before rebooting |
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| 05:42.56 | TalkSoup | ok, i have grub, so i'll update it |
| 05:43.06 | TalkSoup | what do i have to do first? |
| 05:43.12 | omi | unicode utf-8 |
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| 05:43.21 | TalkSoup | the kernel or the grub? |
| 05:43.34 | dli | TalkSoup, kernel, then, make sure it's correct in grub |
| 05:43.53 | dli | TalkSoup, better double check /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 05:44.34 | dvsdude | omi, try another code also look at getting some more fonts for your system might help as well |
| 05:44.41 | TalkSoup | i'm sorry, what do i chek in menu.lst? |
| 05:44.58 | parsonsd | talksoup: make sure that kernel was added |
| 05:45.11 | dvsdude | omi, apt-cache search fonts then apt-get install fontname |
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| 05:45.20 | dli | TalkSoup, after you installed the kernel, and run "update-grub", "vi /boot/grub/menu.lst" |
| 05:45.26 | parsonsd | talksoup: aptitude probably added it |
| 05:45.45 | TalkSoup | ok, thanks |
| 05:45.54 | TalkSoup | i'll do that |
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| 05:47.00 | dvsdude | omi, http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 05:47.28 | dvsdude | !fonts |
| 05:47.29 | dpkg | i heard fonts is check http://www.nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/ for general info, ask me about <font guide>, or http://www.kegel.com/linux/tt.html and http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-02/guru_01.html or http://linuxgazette.net/issue96/adam.html, or http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt |
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| 05:47.36 | TalkSoup | in the worst case, i should change all the "2.4..." for "2.6......" in menu.lst, right? |
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| 05:47.44 | dvsdude | !tell omi fonts |
| 05:47.51 | floundering | ifup -v eth0:0 fails because SIOCSIFFLAGS: cannot asign requested address |
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| 05:48.04 | markybob | i'm writing a scrip to scan messages that postfix puts on hold. however, i cant just say /var/spool/postfix/hold/, because postfix puts messages inside a random directory within hold. so how can i tell the script to go into each dir and then opperate on the files within? |
| 05:48.08 | jeff__ | is there a way to configure samba so that it doenst require a login from a certain network address |
| 05:48.11 | roz | is there any way to get the kernel to Unload a USB Device? |
| 05:48.14 | parsonsd | talksoup: i wouldn't change, but i would copy & paste that group |
| 05:48.19 | parsonsd | to create a new group |
| 05:48.21 | roz | I need to grab it with a different driver |
| 05:48.28 | bob2 | ugh |
| 05:48.40 | bob2 | any plan that involves touching files in postfix's spool dirs is doomed |
| 05:48.45 | TalkSoup | ok, parsonsd, thanks |
| 05:48.47 | bob2 | roz: rmmod the module |
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| 05:49.04 | markybob | bob2 why's that? i realize that i have to use postcat to get a plain text version |
| 05:49.05 | deadcat | /csdfsdf/clear |
| 05:49.07 | parsonsd | talksoup, np |
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| 05:49.22 | roz | bob2: its not a module, I compiled USB-storage into the kernal |
| 05:49.30 | bob2 | roz: then you lose |
| 05:49.35 | bob2 | roz: unles you mean "unmount" |
| 05:49.45 | bob2 | roz: why do you have non-modular usb? |
| 05:49.45 | roz | bob2: nope..... the partition isn't mounted |
| 05:49.57 | bob2 | markybob: because it's racy and unsupported |
| 05:50.12 | roz | bob2: becuase I don't use modules for anything except my video card, because i have to |
| 05:50.24 | parsonsd | talksoup: the reason i would not consider -replacing- a section is that that change could very easily make it point to nothing in general |
| 05:50.26 | TalkSoup | menu.lst change |
| 05:50.32 | bob2 | roz: if you have any modules, you might as well make usb modular too |
| 05:50.34 | TalkSoup | i'll reboot now |
| 05:50.44 | TalkSoup | i'll be back....i hope :D |
| 05:50.51 | markybob | bob2 that's the best you've got? that's why i'm doomed, because it's not supported? are you being serious? |
| 05:51.01 | bob2 | uh, ok |
| 05:51.02 | jeff__ | is there a way to configure samba so that it doenst require a login from a certain network address |
| 05:51.29 | floundering | I pasted sections from debian reference configuring virtual interface. to /etc/network/interfaces. but it isn't working. any ideas |
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| 05:53.21 | bruno45 | dfhj |
| 05:53.43 | roz | bob2: if you use usb-storage as a kernel module |
| 05:53.54 | roz | bob2: can you use hotplug-support to automount it? |
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| 05:54.50 | dvsdude | floundering, please paste your interfaces file to #flood or http://pastebin.com/ we have a look |
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| 05:57.34 | Alvaro | hi, i'm TALKSOUP |
| 05:57.40 | Alvaro | dli, are you there? |
| 05:57.47 | Alvaro | it worls! |
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| 05:57.54 | Alvaro | works* |
| 05:58.04 | floundering | dvsdude: just done that |
| 05:58.04 | dli | Alvaro, yes |
| 05:58.14 | Alvaro | thanks dli |
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| 05:58.34 | dli | Alvaro, since I got the similar problem myself with old kernel |
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| 05:58.34 | Alvaro | and now the staru is faster |
| 05:58.39 | dvsdude | floundering, check out #flood |
| 05:58.59 | rss | Hi, I wanted help regarding the `vaiostat-source' debian package... anyone here who has compiled the sources with the Kernel, can help me? |
| 05:59.05 | dli | Alvaro, it's a nasty bug, kernel sees the nic as working, so it keeps waiting |
| 05:59.16 | Alvaro | a last question, do i hace to remove he old kernel? |
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| 05:59.38 | dli | Alvaro, something like aptitude remove kernel-image-2.4.27 |
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| 05:59.51 | Alvaro | ok, |
| 05:59.51 | parsonsd | alvaro: which kernel did you install? |
| 05:59.59 | dli | Alvaro, or you can select in aptitude menu |
| 06:00.05 | nekostar | !d-i compile kernel |
| 06:00.06 | dpkg | compile kernel, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 06:00.08 | Alvaro | 686 |
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| 06:00.31 | Alvaro | why? |
| 06:00.46 | rss | Is it the only way to get the `Fn' working for monitor setttings in Sony Vaio laptops? |
| 06:01.07 | parsonsd | alvaro: still 2.4? Just 2.4.xxx-686? |
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| 06:01.26 | dli | Alvaro, or you can even try aptitude remove kernel-image-2.4.27-686 |
| 06:01.45 | Alvaro | no parsond, now im in 2.6.XXX-686 |
| 06:01.49 | parsonsd | alvaro: i'm doing something of the same thing, but i cannot figure out if it really is running the 686-smp kernel |
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| 06:02.18 | dli | parsonsd, cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 06:02.19 | parsonsd | ohh--- |
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| 06:02.27 | dvsdude | floundering, did you see my suggestion did u try did it help |
| 06:02.32 | dli | parsonsd, if you want to make sure you do have two cpus there |
| 06:02.53 | rss | I am asking people with old Sony Vaio Laptops, who have got Debian GNU/Linux running on it, how do they change the monitor's settings? does Fn key work? |
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| 06:03.18 | parsonsd | dli -- apparently, yes. why does uname -a not say the same? someone forgot to set the name string when compiling |
| 06:03.21 | dli | Alvaro, now it makes sense why knoppix can get network, because it has a newer version of kernel |
| 06:03.22 | parsonsd | ? |
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| 06:03.47 | parsonsd | alvaro: you didn't lose some of the modules? |
| 06:03.52 | Alvaro | parsond try "uname -a" |
| 06:04.07 | Alvaro | it' give me the kernel number |
| 06:04.25 | Alvaro | what it would be a module? |
| 06:04.35 | parsonsd | 2.4.27-2-386 #1 |
| 06:04.39 | omi | dvsdude, I went over possible font packages, went over different ecodings same story |
| 06:04.52 | omi | dvsdude, some fonts still look like crap |
| 06:04.57 | dli | parsonsd, you can call the kernel whatever a name |
| 06:05.07 | dli | Alvaro, "lsmod" |
| 06:05.32 | dvsdude | omi, bugger can you give me link to a site your have issues with and i'll see what mine looks like |
| 06:05.39 | dli | omi: what kind of font problem? couldn't be worse than what I'm facing |
| 06:05.51 | Serge_K | anyone tried X.org with composite extention? they say it is slow.. does it worth to try it on ATI Rage 128? |
| 06:05.51 | parsonsd | alvaro: modules -- i mean the kernel modules, like to read from SCSI devices or whatever. the problem i have is that i tried a 686 smp kernel and i could no longer read from hda (my /usr/ dir) |
| 06:06.42 | parsonsd | dli: i -was- thinking that uname just gave a static string... guess i'm right? |
| 06:07.12 | omi | I'll make a screenshot |
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| 06:07.18 | dli | parsonsd, you can change the name in make menuconfig and make-kpkg |
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| 06:07.30 | parsonsd | dli - didn |
| 06:07.33 | parsonsd | erk |
| 06:07.38 | dli | parsonsd, you need scsi disk support in kernel |
| 06:07.44 | Alvaro | mmm...sorry, i dont understand parsond...all i did it cause dli's advices |
| 06:08.15 | parsonsd | dli - didn't try compiling my own (needing to do that to get nvidia's driver to go) |
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| 06:08.48 | SimonRaven | Serge_K: it's slow just about everywhere |
| 06:09.11 | parsonsd | dli, actually, debian recognised the scsi on boot (from install even) only when i installed / to sda |
| 06:09.36 | Serge_K | SimonRaven: so you reckon its useless? |
| 06:09.43 | sep | is there an official etch installer ? sarge's installer's kernel didnt recognice the onboard sata raid |
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| 06:10.18 | SimonRaven | Serge_K: it's mostly a toy right now |
| 06:10.30 | parsonsd | dli -- when i had synaptic d/l the 2.6 smp kernel, it installed it, but the device module driver for reading hda was not in the modules dir |
| 06:10.48 | parsonsd | alvaro -- sorry, i didn't see the whole conversation that you'd had |
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| 06:10.55 | Serge_K | SimonRaven: yes girls would love it |
| 06:11.05 | SimonRaven | eh? |
| 06:11.31 | dli | parsonsd, you said scsi, why hda? |
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| 06:12.11 | parsonsd | dli -- i actually was giving scsi as an example of a necesary driver. |
| 06:12.21 | parsonsd | dli -- but that's because i had problems... |
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| 06:12.57 | parsonsd | actually, i set mine up (so i could use the scsi disks straight from install) |
| 06:13.13 | parsonsd | with / as sda0 |
| 06:13.18 | litage | i've got a new Intel D945GNT mobo, and Debian doesn't recognize the ethernet controller. how can i fix this? |
| 06:13.30 | dli | parsonsd, sorry, don't understand here :( |
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| 06:13.59 | omi | dvsdude, http://mcluhan.org/~omitest/Screenshot.png |
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| 06:14.18 | parsonsd | dli -- s'okay. i had a set of scsi disks that i thought would be cool to just use so i did |
| 06:14.29 | omi | as you can see I'm having the font issue with konqueror and mozilla firefox |
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| 06:15.00 | parsonsd | dli, but i could -not- get the installed kernel to see the disks when i had the ide drive as root. |
| 06:15.12 | beleys | Bonjour |
| 06:15.15 | Alvaro | ok guys, thank you very much for your help |
| 06:15.39 | dli | parsonsd, I don't understand :( the installation kernel sees both ide and scsi |
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| 06:15.45 | parsonsd | so i put root on the scsi disks and all was fine and dandy till i decided i wanted to put 2.6 on the system. |
| 06:15.58 | parsonsd | yeah, that's what i found --- the installer saw it all. |
| 06:16.07 | dli | omi: I don't think it's a font problem, firefox, more likely |
| 06:16.08 | parsonsd | but once installed....then it didn't |
| 06:16.19 | omi | and konqueror? |
| 06:16.35 | omi | started happening after I removed kde and installed gnome |
| 06:16.43 | parsonsd | when i put 2.6 on there, the module for reading the ide drive was not there |
| 06:16.52 | omi | (I installed kde later again) |
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| 06:17.33 | dli | parsonsd, since you already messed up, boot the installation disk, don't install, just go to shell, and lsmod |
| 06:18.01 | dli | parsonsd, write them down, and modprobe them in debian |
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| 06:18.12 | parsonsd | i'm now down to figuring out where modules are on aptitude package list so i can get locate them for 2.6 |
| 06:18.19 | dli | omi: then, you removed something :) |
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| 06:18.34 | dli | parsonsd, modules are in kernel not in apt |
| 06:18.38 | parsonsd | dli -- i should be able able to do that right now, actually, since the 2.4 kernels seem okay... |
| 06:18.55 | parsonsd | dli--but you're right about lsmod/modprobe. i keep forgetting it. |
| 06:19.01 | nekostar | so how do i compile a kernel in debain? |
| 06:19.03 | parsonsd | dli. thanks ;) |
| 06:19.12 | dli | !kp |
| 06:19.12 | dpkg | well, kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
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| 06:20.11 | parsonsd | dli :) |
| 06:20.29 | nekostar | awesome thanx dli |
| 06:20.38 | omi | dli, well I kind of expect debian to work, well at least fixing gnome issues, I had installing gnome breaking lots of other things |
| 06:21.16 | omi | like inability to login, xsession hangs after loging in regardless of wdm/kdm/xdm/gdm |
| 06:21.21 | omi | removing gnome fixed the issue |
| 06:21.23 | dli | omi: reinstall kde see what happens |
| 06:21.26 | omi | things like this |
| 06:21.50 | dli | omi: it's not a font problem then |
| 06:22.02 | omi | what does defoma do? |
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| 06:22.46 | dli | !defoma |
| 06:22.47 | dpkg | i guess defoma is Debian Font Manager, and automatic configuration framework for fonts. |
| 06:23.03 | cahoot | omi: got a ~/.fonts.conf? - if so try mv it out of the way |
| 06:23.08 | flustered | dsvdude: no good , same error |
| 06:24.12 | dli | omi: just allow defoma to handle fonts for firefox |
| 06:24.17 | flustered | dsvdude: I was floundering before the ifdown ifup |
| 06:24.18 | dvsdude | flustered, dam check the subnet u get when dhcp mabe theres something there |
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| 06:25.45 | omi | how do I "allow" defoma to take control of fonts/ |
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| 06:26.20 | dli | omi: apt-get install defoma;dpkg-reconfigure mozilla-firefox |
| 06:26.28 | omi | I have defoma |
| 06:26.31 | dvsdude | flustered, its dvsdude not dsvdude just helps me see it better |
| 06:27.25 | omi | ahh nice |
| 06:27.45 | omi | I moved .fonts-conf and cache away and things are nice :D |
| 06:27.47 | omi | thanks a lot |
| 06:28.02 | omi | that box was an xterm box so I didn't want to reinstall it |
| 06:28.13 | flustered | dvsdude: I must learn to copy and paste , sorry. |
| 06:28.13 | dli | omi: great! just let debian handles don't even bother yourself |
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| 06:28.30 | omi | I NEVER DID |
| 06:28.38 | dvsdude | flustered, no prob you can type dvs then hit tab key too |
| 06:28.41 | omi | I always let defoma handle fonts |
| 06:28.57 | omi | it is just a weired instance of gnome install scripts screwing up |
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| 06:29.10 | dli | omi: .fonts-conf :( |
| 06:29.23 | omi | what changes it? |
| 06:29.39 | dli | omi: I see, but I have gnome, but not .font-conf |
| 06:30.08 | rapsys | how to show all line except the two first ? |
| 06:30.19 | rapsys | head don't works nor tail |
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| 06:30.29 | omi | I had kde, installed gnome, remove kde, things messed up removed gnome removed X stuff installed X installed gnome |
| 06:30.39 | omi | so something didn't work out nicely |
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| 06:30.39 | dli | rapsys, then, just "less" |
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| 06:31.07 | dli | omi: gnome is quite buggy now |
| 06:31.18 | grendal_prime | hey im working on an embeded os... |
| 06:31.22 | grendal_prime | anyone any good with these |
| 06:31.24 | dli | omi: haven't try kde for years, since I knew it is buggy |
| 06:31.24 | rapsys | dli: it's to go in a somecomman | no show two first line | somecommand > file |
| 06:31.43 | flustered | dvsdude, I better read the rest of that reference, maybe logical network interfaces will work |
| 06:32.00 | dvsdude | flustered, np good luck hope u get it sorted |
| 06:32.18 | grendal_prime | ive got this situation where i have limited space..and i need to move certain parts of the os to another memory device..an sd device to be exact.. |
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| 06:34.14 | dvsdude | flustered, also try google |
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| 06:34.27 | omi | dli, no kde is very nice I would call gnome buggy if anything, I just wanted to make use of old NCD xterms that I got for free and kde didn't work out in terms of latency |
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| 06:34.36 | omi | caused by having a lot of graphics |
| 06:34.43 | omi | gnome was more plain so there were less delays |
| 06:35.04 | dli | omi: I would use icewm, if I were you |
| 06:35.08 | omi | (even though these xterms have 100 mbps, it doesn't go above 700kb/sec) |
| 06:35.13 | omi | I NEED A GUI |
| 06:35.16 | dli | omi: I use gnome for font problems |
| 06:35.20 | omi | NOT AN EXCUSE |
| 06:35.47 | omi | well not I , but people like my grandma wanted a computer but she always fears that she'll break something |
| 06:35.48 | dli | omi: and because I think I had a fast machine :( |
| 06:36.07 | dli | omi: buy her a mac :) |
| 06:36.15 | omi | no no no |
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| 06:36.47 | omi | look I have an xserver: free, ethernet in the house: free: monitor, keyboard: free, 10 NCDs:free |
| 06:37.02 | omi | why would I want to spend money on shitty technology? |
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| 06:37.23 | sussudio | . |
| 06:37.42 | omi | dli, my grandma was comfortable with clicking on icons when I explained how to hold the mouse and use scrollbards |
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| 06:40.44 | parsonsd | omi: i like that kind of thinking: if it is going to be shitty, it might as well be free -- :) |
| 06:40.58 | rapsys | what command should I use to remove empty lines from a file ? |
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| 06:41.13 | litage | rapsys: your favourite editor, be it vi, emacs, nano, etc |
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| 06:41.25 | rapsys | on a 2000 line file |
| 06:41.31 | omi | parsonsd, haha, well the setup did what it was supposed to AND free |
| 06:41.35 | dvsdude | rapsys, man sed |
| 06:41.36 | rapsys | generated with a for i in `cat ../list_object.txt`; do readelf -W --syms $i | sed 1,2s/.*//g | sed 's/Name.*//g' | sed 's/.*\.c$//g' | cut -c 52-; done |
| 06:41.51 | omi | and I still have xterms that I need to find some use for :) |
| 06:42.00 | rapsys | and sed don't remove empty line |
| 06:42.26 | litage | rapsys: i'd use sed then. something like ``cat file | sed -e "s#\n##" >new_file'' however, i've no idea if the "\n" will properly match |
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| 06:42.34 | dli | rapsys, since your situation is complex, I suggest perl or c |
| 06:42.39 | dondelelcaro | rapsys|perl -ne 'print $_ unless $_ eq q()'; |
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| 06:42.48 | rapsys | litage: the \n will not works |
| 06:42.51 | dondelelcaro | rapsys: probably far better just to do the entire thing in perl. |
| 06:42.57 | ke6isf | litage: I've never been able to get \n to match in sed - but what little I know is just simple search and replace. |
| 06:42.57 | rapsys | because the for send a line... |
| 06:43.05 | dondelelcaro | (or possibly awk/grep |
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| 06:43.19 | ke6isf | rapsys: What kind of file is this? Is this something that can safely be sorted? |
| 06:43.19 | dondelelcaro | grep -v '^$' in this case would also work. |
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| 06:43.45 | dondelelcaro | (unless you considered [[:space:]]* a blank line too) |
| 06:43.46 | ke6isf | rapsys: Never mind. I like dondelelcaro's recipe. Simple and quick. |
| 06:43.48 | rapsys | ke6isf: I am getting all the php5 symbol in one file |
| 06:44.03 | parsonsd | dondelelcaro -- that was the grep search string i was looking for... |
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| 06:44.09 | parsonsd | you're too fast |
| 06:44.11 | parsonsd | :) |
| 06:44.25 | rapsys | dondelelcaro: don't works the '^$', I already tried |
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| 06:44.43 | sep | do anyone know what kernel module the following chipset require for onboard raid to function ? "Intel Corporation 82801GR/GH (ICH7 Family) Serial ATA Storage Controllers cc=RAID" |
| 06:45.09 | parsonsd | grep -v \^\$ file |
| 06:45.10 | sep | Integrated Technology Express, Inc. ITE 8211F Single Channel UDMA 133 (ASUS 8211 (ITE IT8212 ATA RAID Controller) |
| 06:45.29 | Dragon_Fire | cake |
| 06:45.37 | sep | oopps never mind the last line. thats the onboard ata raid |
| 06:45.44 | parsonsd | leave out the quotes from dondelelcaro and escape the search characters |
| 06:46.17 | rapsys | parsonsd: grep -v \^\$ file not at all |
| 06:46.22 | dondelelcaro | rapsys: uh, sure it does. |
| 06:46.26 | dondelelcaro | rapsys: echo -e '\n\n\n\n\n'|grep -v '^$' |
| 06:46.30 | dondelelcaro | rapsys: if you don't believe me. |
| 06:46.40 | rapsys | not in my case |
| 06:46.46 | rapsys | because of the for I think |
| 06:46.50 | parsonsd | rapsys -- which shell? |
| 06:46.51 | dondelelcaro | then your file doesn't have empty lines. |
| 06:46.56 | rapsys | I fixed that in vim... |
| 06:46.59 | rapsys | bash 3 |
| 06:47.11 | rapsys | I have empty line in |
| 06:47.26 | rapsys | :%s/^\n//g remove every emptylines in vim... |
| 06:48.08 | dondelelcaro | | cut -c 52-|grep -v '^$' should work fine. |
| 06:48.12 | parsonsd | you might try `grep -v \^\b*\$ file, in case there are whitespace chars |
| 06:48.14 | deadcat | just bought an airport base station snow for $5 (=. the last one was $35 |
| 06:48.21 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: nice |
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| 06:48.48 | dli | deadcat, just a wireless router? |
| 06:49.00 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ya. he left the thing on the porch and told me to drop the $5 in the mailbox (= |
| 06:49.05 | deadcat | dli: ya. |
| 06:49.21 | deadcat | i fucked up the last one heheh |
| 06:49.42 | dli | daedcat great, I got mine 20+ :( 45 with 25 rebate |
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| 06:50.12 | dli | deadcat, I wonder whether you did drop that $5 paper |
| 06:50.15 | deadcat | dli: basestation dont give rebate. do they? |
| 06:50.15 | cevizoglu | can someone point me to a url for debian's stack, if it has one? |
| 06:50.17 | parsonsd | rapsys -- i tested the grep -v \^\$ file by creating a very simple 6 line file with each line either a '#' or a newline. worked okay |
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| 06:50.35 | parsonsd | maybe your file is something different... |
| 06:50.35 | rapsys | parsonsd thank's |
| 06:50.37 | deadcat | dli: of course i did. if people trust me to do that. i have to do it. |
| 06:50.49 | dli | deadcat, does it have a larger range than usual routers? |
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| 06:51.14 | deadcat | dli: that i dont know. i just want the card inside |
| 06:51.29 | dli | parsonsd, is \^\$ and '^$', the same? |
| 06:51.35 | dondelelcaro | dli: yes, it is. |
| 06:52.09 | parsonsd | dli -- i don't think bash ate the quotes. i think bash passed the quotes to grep |
| 06:52.15 | dondelelcaro | they both translate to exec('/bin/grep','-v','^$'); |
| 06:52.21 | dli | dondelelcaro, great, then, grep -v '^$' is simple and clear |
| 06:52.26 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i wonder if the card inside this station will work on linux or not. but i need a torx screw driver first. |
| 06:52.28 | parsonsd | dli -- my error |
| 06:52.47 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: I thought it was a lucent card inside of it |
| 06:53.05 | dondelelcaro | (but I could be misremembering... I read about them when they first came out ages ago) |
| 06:53.15 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ya. the last one with 4.16 firmware. i need a 6.18+ in order to work on linux |
| 06:53.17 | dli | deadcat, looks like my ntp problem is losing of nic interrupts |
| 06:53.26 | d03boy | why in gods name does xmms and xchat use upwards of 60mb of memory? |
| 06:53.27 | dli | deadcat, 2.4 kernel bug |
| 06:53.38 | parsonsd | deacat - sounds like you will be coding soon if it doesn't. |
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| 06:53.44 | deadcat | dli: damn. but atleast you found out what up (= |
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| 06:54.06 | valdyn_ | d03boy: VIRT memory in top? |
| 06:54.17 | d03boy | huh/ |
| 06:54.18 | d03boy | ? |
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| 06:54.51 | d03boy | virtual-vfs-daemon is using 0mb |
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| 07:00.52 | streuner | ke6isf: unfortunaly you are right |
| 07:00.59 | streuner | :-( |
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| 07:04.34 | stephelton | do i need to do anything special to get search plugins to work with firefox? |
| 07:04.54 | ke6isf | stephelton: Assuming it's a firefox plugin, you install it in firefox and/or restart your browser. |
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| 07:04.59 | parsonsd | nkuttler, i guess i'll have to browse rationale.gz, because dpkg explanation was incoherent to me. |
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| 07:05.21 | stephelton | ke6isf, i've done both and it doesn't work |
| 07:05.46 | nkuttler | parsonsd: install it and read the README |
| 07:06.00 | ke6isf | stephelton: Then you might ask in the appropriate channel, or check with the firefox support community on wherever it's hosted. |
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| 07:06.18 | stephelton | ke6isf, well excuse me! |
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| 07:07.07 | ke6isf | stephelton: Very well, you are excused. |
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| 07:08.20 | nemo | ok, here's a pop quiz. what in debian controls postfix's logfile rotation? |
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| 07:09.37 | nemo | I have two debian3.1 systems, both with postfix, both keep 6 logsfiles, one is rotated daily, one is weekly. on neither machine does this match logrotate's defaulty configuration (weekly, 4 weeks), with no postfix-specific logrotate.d stuff |
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| 07:10.04 | streuner | nemo: /etc/logrotate.d/foo ? |
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| 07:10.33 | dondelelcaro | nemo: it depends. If you're running syslog, the syslog logrotate rule does it. Otherwise, a special logrotate rule does. |
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| 07:10.48 | nemo | streuner: nothing in their seems to refer to postfix, or matches the seen behaviour anyway |
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| 07:11.04 | meff | how can i format a floppy under linux? |
| 07:11.09 | streuner | nemo: i just look in the chroot... |
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| 07:12.26 | pabs3 | !ops ^[[DeRya]]^ and [s]baby are porn spam bots |
| 07:12.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: ^[[DeRya]]^ and [s]baby are porn spam bots |
| 07:12.35 | nemo | I've got sysklogd on both, and logrotate on both |
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| 07:12.38 | dondelelcaro | pabs3: are they doing onjoin spam? |
| 07:12.40 | nemo | streuner: chroot? |
| 07:12.44 | pabs3 | dondelelcaro: yes |
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| 07:13.06 | pabs3 | thanks |
| 07:13.14 | sussudio | erm. did anyone else notice a major european router going byebye about half an hour ago? |
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| 07:13.43 | dondelelcaro | nemo: right, then it's the syslogd logrotate rule that is rotating them; check out it's configuration. |
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| 07:13.57 | streuner | nemo: postfix runs in chroot (debian), so it would be /var/spool/postifx/etc - but there isn't something either... |
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| 07:14.39 | sussudio | i'm guessing by the number of spambots i'm seeing, whatever checked for the spambots on freenode was behind that router. |
| 07:14.45 | Pengu1n | debhelper: rebuild |
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| 07:14.54 | nemo | dondelelcaro: there are *no* logrotate rules which match the observed behaviour though. |
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| 07:16.12 | kie27 | howdy all, am using sarge on my laptop, my window manager is fvwm, kernel 2.6.8-2-386, i get sound if i use xmms or ogle however i don't get any sound using gaim, how can i fix this? |
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| 07:16.41 | dondelelcaro | nemo: there is a general one that is shipped with syslogd; it may not use logrotate itself, however. |
| 07:17.00 | deadcat | kie27: set your gaim sound to alsa maybe |
| 07:17.05 | nemo | streuner: nothing in there seems to match logfiles at all either |
| 07:17.07 | jm_ | nemo: indeed, it uses syslogd-listfiles |
| 07:17.12 | deadcat | can i make the icons in oo2 smaller? |
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| 07:18.11 | nemo | jm_: ahhh, that looks like the best lead yet. never heard of that command before. thanks =) |
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| 07:18.37 | jm_ | nemo: it's called by /etc/cron.*/sysklogd - I found it out when I wanted to change from daily to weekly syslog rotation |
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| 07:19.09 | jack-black | where can i download fonts? |
| 07:19.17 | deadcat | jack-black: online |
| 07:19.35 | ke6isf | !giyf jack-black |
| 07:19.39 | streuner | jack-black: apt-cache search fonts? |
| 07:19.41 | ke6isf | hmm, that's not name specific. |
| 07:19.44 | ke6isf | !giyf |
| 07:19.44 | dpkg | Google Is Your Friend, or see also: STFW, and see http://fuckinggoogleit.com/ |
| 07:20.02 | nemo | jm_: *nods* same thing here. (I had hoped that all logrotation was handled by logrotate these days... seems not yet though :( |
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| 07:20.30 | kie27 | under preferences->sound->sound method alsa is not listed, but only automatic, esd, arts and command, is the right place to change it to use alsa? |
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| 07:21.36 | markybob | can someone help me make this work? not sure why it wont. for a in * ; do cd $a && for x in *; do cat $x |more; done |
| 07:21.44 | jack-black | thanks deadcat |
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| 07:22.02 | deadcat | jack-black: ya. |
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| 07:22.26 | ke6isf | markybob: What precisely are you trying to do? |
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| 07:22.32 | deadcat | markybob: more is interactive |
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| 07:23.10 | markybob | ke6isf, the base directory has a bunch of folders. go into each fold and display the text of the files within. |
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| 07:23.24 | jm_ | markybob: you do "cd $a" - you'll still be in this dir when it tries to cd next time, maybe cd .. at the end of second for loop is missing |
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| 07:23.31 | [bono] | Question: im having a very stupid problem: "Error occurred during initialization of VM - java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Object". Anyone can help? (i am googling) |
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| 07:23.47 | deadcat | markybob: find . -type f | xargs more |
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| 07:23.50 | ke6isf | markybob: Assuming that your pwd is that base dir, do "cat `find`|more" |
| 07:23.54 | markybob | jm_ that's what i want. i want to be in that dir |
| 07:24.12 | beowu1f | anyone know a quick way of changing the console font on the fly? |
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| 07:24.17 | parsonsd | bono: sounds like you didn't give java a working class file |
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| 07:24.37 | jm_ | markybob: yes, but say you're in /tmp/foo and you do cd $a -> now you're in /tmp/foo/bar, so next time it will try to cd baz in /tmp/foo/bar, while the dir is /tmp/foo/baz |
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| 07:24.48 | nkuttler | beowu1f: setfont iirc |
| 07:24.50 | thunder00 | hello... debian didn't detect my PCMCIA controller... when i type lspci, i get "0000:01:04.0 CardBus bridge: ENE Technology Inc: Unknown device 1412 (rev 10)"... I used another distribution and it found it as "0000:01:04.0 CardBus bridge: ENE Technology Inc CB-712/4 Cardbus Controller (rev 10)". what can i do to get my PCMCIA controller enabled on debian ? |
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| 07:25.13 | markybob | jm_ i see. thanks |
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| 07:26.51 | beowu1f | nkuttler thanks |
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| 07:27.40 | tengulre | hi,all |
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| 07:30.37 | markybob | jm_ i cant figure it out. if i put the cd command in the second loop and there are multiple files in a given dir, it'll try to process the files in that dir in the base dir. |
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| 07:31.33 | jm_ | markybob: did you try do cat $x |more; done -> do cat $x |more; cd ..; done ? |
| 07:31.46 | fdfdf | How do i specify multiple ssh ports |
| 07:31.48 | fdfdf | ? |
| 07:31.56 | litage | fdfdf: where? |
| 07:31.58 | fdfdf | Two lines with Port directive |
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| 07:32.01 | jm_ | uhm that is wrong, done is missing after more; |
| 07:32.02 | fdfdf | Do not work |
| 07:32.11 | kie27 | okay running alsaconf fixed it, thanks all. |
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| 07:32.15 | robert_ubuntu | hey |
| 07:32.16 | robert_ubuntu | gola |
| 07:32.18 | robert_ubuntu | hola |
| 07:32.22 | litage | fdfdf: try "Port 11 22 33" or "Port 11, 22 ,33" |
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| 07:32.25 | jm_ | markybob: in the above, done is missing after more; so add that too |
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| 07:33.35 | litage | jm_: remember the problem i had 24 hours ago with my new Intel mobo and sata drives? i've got that mostly fixed |
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| 07:33.50 | jm_ | litage: yes |
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| 07:34.42 | litage | jm_: the problem's now shifted to the ethernet controller |
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| 07:35.33 | nemo | jm_: hmm... the log rotation in both is the same it seems... it's 'rotate when logfile is larger than <$foo> for an unfindable value of $foo. :< |
| 07:35.33 | markybob | jm_ do you mean like this? for a in * ; do cd $a ;done; for x in *; do cat $x |more; done; cd ..; done |
| 07:35.42 | jm_ | litage: ohh I noticed it being supported by .13 |
| 07:35.42 | nemo | something for tomorrow methinks |
| 07:35.48 | jm_ | markybob: yes |
| 07:35.59 | jm_ | markybob: no :) |
| 07:36.15 | markybob | jm_ didnt think so :) but apparently i didnt follow you exactly |
| 07:36.18 | jm_ | markybob: for a in * ; do cd $a; for x in *; |
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| 07:36.24 | litage | jm_: i've booted into 2.6.11 and 2.6.12 and successfully recognized the sata drives. however, the ethernet controller (82801GR / ICH7R) isn't recognized |
| 07:36.24 | jm_ | gah let me msg you |
| 07:36.36 | litage | jm_: which is supported in .13? the ethernet controller? |
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| 07:37.16 | jm_ | litage: yah, at least the name matched (247 or so) |
| 07:37.25 | litage | jm_: 247? |
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| 07:37.51 | jm_ | litage: isn't that number mentioned by lspci? maybe it's something else, I can re-check if you tell me |
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| 07:38.14 | jm_ | would be even better if you tell me its PCI ID |
| 07:38.26 | tengulre | SOS: I m forgot root password, how to restore it! I use GRUB boot manager! |
| 07:38.36 | jm_ | tengulre: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 07:38.45 | jm_ | if we're to believe you anyway |
| 07:38.48 | Erpo | Hi all. I need a vnc client that supports scaling so that I can easily use a high-res vnc desktop on a machine with a lower-res display. Any suggestions? |
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| 07:40.10 | litage | jm_: lspci says this: Ethernet controller Intel Corp.: Unknown device 108b (rev 03) |
| 07:40.19 | jm_ | litage: right, use lspci -n |
| 07:40.39 | jm_ | litage: or update your PCI ID-s database (man update-pciids) |
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| 07:40.52 | jm_ | -n is better for me |
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| 07:41.54 | jm_ | heh tags file for 2.6.13.4 is almost 60M |
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| 07:43.14 | litage | jm_: lspci -n: 0000:01:00.0 0200: 8086:108b (rev 03) |
| 07:43.52 | jm_ | litage: yup, it's in the table of ID-s for e1000 in 2.6.13.4 |
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| 07:44.21 | litage | jm_: how can i check other kernels to see if they support it? |
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| 07:45.45 | kevin | hi |
| 07:45.46 | kevin | all |
| 07:45.51 | litage | hey kevinator |
| 07:46.00 | jm_ | litage: hmm let me see if one can browse it on-line |
| 07:46.18 | kevin | .. /tmp: clean, 19/396800 files, 20674/793201 blocks .. |
| 07:46.25 | kevin | does it the harddisk error ? |
| 07:46.26 | litage | jm_: how did you determine that 2.6.13.4 supports it? |
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| 07:46.57 | jm_ | litage: static struct pci_device_id e1000_pci_tbl[] has INTEL_E1000_ETHERNET_DEVICE(0x108B) |
| 07:47.08 | litage | ah |
| 07:47.09 | thunder00 | hi |
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| 07:48.29 | torc | binary-1.iso is enough for a base install? |
| 07:49.21 | dli | torc: yes, running, and use apt, you can install packages via cd or net |
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| 07:50.04 | litage | jm_: is 2.6.13.4 the first kernel to support 108b/108B? |
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| 07:50.40 | torc | dli: i wonder if it is == netinst + packages downloaded from net? |
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| 07:51.18 | jm_ | litage: no idea, I am trying to find out but changelogs don't mention it Iit's 82547, not 247 as I said previously) |
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| 07:51.55 | litage | jm_: what is 82547? i don't recognize that number |
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| 07:52.37 | jm_ | litage: run update-pciids, then modprobe e1000 debug=16 |
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| 07:53.23 | dli | jm_ isn't e1000 has been supported in kernel since 2.4.21 or something? |
| 07:53.27 | litage | jm_: how can i run update-pciids when the nic doesn't work? |
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| 07:53.41 | jm_ | dli: there are like gazillion versions of it |
| 07:53.51 | jm_ | litage: haha good point, copy it manually |
| 07:54.05 | jm_ | litage: it's in /usr/share/misc/pci.ids |
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| 07:54.28 | dli | litage, I remember in old windows98 day, to fix your mouse, the manual asks you to "click" |
| 07:54.30 | jm_ | http://pciids.sourceforge.net/pci.ids that's where to get it |
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| 07:54.51 | litage | jm_: actually, i just ran update-pciids on my own machine and it downloaded it to /var/lib/pciutils/ |
| 07:54.59 | litage | dli: hahah |
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| 07:55.13 | jm_ | litage: ok, just copy the file to wherever lspci reads it from |
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| 07:55.45 | jm_ | man page will tell you, it says /usr/share for me and that's where it reads it from |
| 07:56.05 | litage | jm_: ``grep -i 108b /var/lib/pciutils/pci.ids'' says: 108b 82573V Gigabit Ethernet Controller (Copper). is that what you meant instead of 82547? |
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| 07:56.44 | jm_ | litage: hmm yesterday your lspci output said 82547 |
| 07:57.06 | jm_ | litage: transfer updated ids file to this machine and run lspci, that will be the best |
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| 07:57.25 | litage | jm_: are you sure? i really don't recognize the number 82547 |
| 07:57.37 | litage | jm_: i'll do that. just need to burn it. hahah |
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| 07:57.49 | JohnnyST | When I try to login and start ann application trough ssh I get X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. |
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| 07:58.06 | JohnnyST | how do reset the authentication for X? |
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| 07:59.33 | jm_ | litage: 2005-11-09 09:33:41 <litage> i have a new Intel D945GNT motherboard with an onboard gigabit NIC (chipset: Intel 82573E/82573V/82574V)... -- that's why I seem to recall this number |
| 08:00.01 | jm_ | JohnnyST: do you have xauth on the remote node? |
| 08:00.21 | jm_ | and I swapped the numbers - 574 -> 547 ;) |
| 08:00.41 | JohnnyST | jm_ found it disk was 100% full :) |
| 08:00.46 | jm_ | JohnnyST: ohh |
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| 08:00.57 | ratbert90 | yeah yeah yeah |
| 08:01.02 | jm_ | yeah xauth wants to update Xauthority file |
| 08:01.04 | ratbert90 | debian is up and running with no errors |
| 08:01.05 | ratbert90 | :) |
| 08:01.13 | JohnnyST | jm_, yes.. |
| 08:01.14 | jm_ | so it needs several hundred bytes of disk space for it |
| 08:01.23 | litage | jm_: ah i see. i got those #s from "LAN Support" section from here: http://www.intel.com/products/motherboard/d945gnt/index.htm |
| 08:01.49 | pitillo | anyone know how to fix the problem in vi, when a text pasted is moved and with blank lines? |
| 08:01.59 | jm_ | litage: it has two ethernet ports? |
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| 08:02.09 | jm_ | pitillo: yes, many people do |
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| 08:03.08 | pitillo | jm_, do you know how to fix this problem? |
| 08:03.14 | jm_ | pitillo: are you using vim? |
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| 08:03.22 | pitillo | jm_, yes |
| 08:03.25 | jm_ | pitillo: :help paste |
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| 08:03.27 | litage | jm_: no, only one |
| 08:03.52 | jm_ | litage: ok, but that page lists two possibilities, we need to find out which one it is (although if it's 108b then it's gigabit according to the driver) |
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| 08:04.15 | litage | jm_: i'm 99% sure it's gigabit |
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| 08:05.07 | litage | jm_: btw, ``grep -i 108b /usr/src/2.6.13.4/*'' returned nothing |
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| 08:05.23 | jm_ | litage: ChangeLog-2.6.12 -- [PATCH] e1000:82573 specific code & packet split code |
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| 08:05.32 | jm_ | litage: it's in drivers/net/e1000 |
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| 08:06.34 | jm_ | litage: and then some more changes in .13 |
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| 08:07.15 | rhinovirus | hah |
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| 08:08.13 | pitillo | jm_, thanks man, vi is a world. I will put in a manual on my web this option, very interesting |
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| 08:09.00 | jm_ | pitillo: also mention pastetoggle -- easy to toggle this on/off with a key, I use it daily |
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| 08:09.56 | litage | jm_: 2.6.12 has it as well: http://rafb.net/paste/results/npRqZn24.html |
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| 08:10.58 | jm_ | litage: ok, so two things to do: 1) lspci with updated id-s, 2) 'modprobe e1000 debug=16' to see if it spits out anything useful |
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| 08:11.14 | pitillo | jm_, i dont use de graphical interface of vi, only the console. I think that i dont need to make that, but is nice to know it. |
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| 08:11.29 | jm_ | pitillo: it's not related to GUI in any way |
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| 08:11.50 | mike__ | Are there precompiled SMP capable kernels? |
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| 08:12.00 | jm_ | mike_sol: apt-cache is your friend |
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| 08:12.04 | jm_ | mike__ ^^^^ |
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| 08:12.26 | mike__ | if apt-cache answered my question i wouldnt had to ask here would i? |
| 08:12.39 | jm_ | I would say you don't know how to use it |
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| 08:12.54 | pitillo | jm_, i read it in paste help of vi... with the option paste can be problems with vi gui |
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| 08:13.01 | mike__ | then theres the problem :) |
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| 08:13.34 | jm_ | pitillo: naah |
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| 08:13.47 | jm_ | that's only if your mode changes the value of it |
| 08:13.55 | jm_ | it can happen in non-GUI mode too |
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| 08:13.59 | nekostar | hi jm_ ^_^ |
| 08:14.04 | mike__ | thanks for the help |
| 08:14.06 | eleftherios | where does the ssh daemon save its log file? I thought it was /var/log/secure but this isn't the case |
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| 08:14.17 | litage | jm_: i'm burning the new pci.ids now. what will installing that and modprobing e1000 do? |
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| 08:14.38 | nekostar | do you know of any screensaver cap applications jm_ ? i wanted to make some wall papers out of em :P |
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| 08:15.01 | jm_ | litage: lspci will show real string, drivers can sometimes tell why they failed to load |
| 08:15.12 | pitillo | jm_, true, thanks man i can paste and i dont need to delete anything :) |
| 08:15.18 | jm_ | nekostar: you mean to grab a screenshot of the screen saver? |
| 08:15.27 | nekostar | yeah |
| 08:15.45 | nekostar | i was thinking just set it to autograb say once a second or every few seconds |
| 08:15.49 | nekostar | and wade through em later |
| 08:15.58 | jm_ | you can easily do that with imports and its delay switch, or run screen saver in a window |
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| 08:16.15 | jm_ | import |
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| 08:16.38 | nekostar | thing is im on a dual monitor setup so yeah would have to be while actually running,,,, ill look into import then thanx |
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| 08:17.05 | jm_ | '/msg dpkg import' has some notes about it |
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| 08:18.16 | the_fat_guy | hello all |
| 08:18.26 | the_fat_guy | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:18.34 | nekostar | heh yeah was doing just that jm_ and sup the_fat_guy |
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| 08:18.52 | the_fat_guy | when I use command "ssh -l username <host>" |
| 08:19.08 | the_fat_guy | I see "Bus Error" |
| 08:19.16 | liable | litage: out of interest, how did you install, with a pata drive? |
| 08:19.56 | jm_ | ehh I wanted to say '/msg dpkg screenshot' |
| 08:20.32 | litage | jm_: lspci now says the ethernet controller is an 82573V |
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| 08:21.08 | litage | jm_: e1000 successfully loads |
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| 08:21.18 | jm_ | litage: why didn't it load before? :) |
| 08:21.22 | litage | jm_: it always has |
| 08:21.27 | litage | =P |
| 08:21.47 | litage | jm_: however, no matter where i try to ping from that box, it says destination host unreachable |
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| 08:22.31 | litage | liable: i didn't =P i just installed 2.6.11 and 2.6.12 onto another pata drive, yanked it and attached it to my new Intel D945GNT mobo |
| 08:22.49 | litage | bonjour keikoz. comment ca-va? |
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| 08:23.31 | keikoz | well thx and you ? |
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| 08:23.56 | litage | keikoz: pretty good, though for once i'm wishing i had some older hardware =P |
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| 08:25.14 | keikoz | :) |
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| 08:25.43 | litage | jm_: so basically, with 2.6.11-686-smp, the sata drives are recognized, e1000 loads, the network cable is fine (i specifically tested it), and i can't contact anyone on my network |
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| 08:26.41 | Kovecses | ok guys i have just installed sarge again after an attempt at installing gnome 2.12 failed |
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| 08:27.08 | jm_ | litage: is interface configured? what does ethtool say about its link status? |
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| 08:28.47 | sussudio | damned |
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| 08:29.42 | Kovecses | what is the apt command to show the version of a package? |
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| 08:31.11 | Kovecses | nm |
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| 08:32.21 | the_fat_guy | I see error "Bus Error" |
| 08:32.29 | Kovecses | when |
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| 08:32.40 | the_fat_guy | now. |
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| 08:33.17 | Kovecses | where |
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| 08:34.23 | the_fat_guy | On linux system |
| 08:34.25 | litage | jm_: eth0 is configured properly in /etc/network/interfaces . going to install ethtool and see what it says |
| 08:34.44 | the_fat_guy | and I see log file "kern.log" --> Buffer I/O error on device hda2 |
| 08:34.45 | Kovecses | the_fat_guy, yea but what r you doing |
| 08:35.02 | the_fat_guy | I don't know what happen. |
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| 08:35.13 | Kovecses | what is hda2 ........ a partition? |
| 08:35.20 | the_fat_guy | same as I use command mc or ssh. |
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| 08:35.27 | the_fat_guy | I see error "BUS ERROR". |
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| 08:35.44 | jm_ | Buffer I/O error on device hda2 indicates hard disk/fs problems |
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| 08:36.26 | the_fat_guy | please suggest me. |
| 08:36.48 | the_fat_guy | What I shoulde doing? |
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| 08:37.12 | dli | what's the speed of usb 1.1? if I use it for external hdd |
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| 08:37.24 | sanoj | litage: debian.jones.dk/hykrion/pool-sarge/sid/yaird/ |
| 08:37.31 | Kovecses | the_fat_guy, i just dont understand you .... sorry? |
| 08:37.37 | Gumby | anyone seen this error before. I am having issues getting to google so maybe someone here has an idea "ip_conntrack table full dropping packet". This is happening on my gateway box and is making my life difficult connecting to the net |
| 08:37.52 | mcgreg | dli: I think it was about 900k/1mb/s when I did it last timer |
| 08:38.27 | jm_ | yeah about 800-900kB/s |
| 08:38.38 | mcgreg | dli: I suggest not to use it for big transfers ;) I did, I wont do again ;) |
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| 08:38.42 | jm_ | Gumby: your table is full |
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| 08:39.03 | dli | mcgreg, that's enough :) I will use it for a 20 GB hdd |
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| 08:39.25 | dli | mcgreg, that would 5 hours for the whole disk |
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| 08:39.50 | mcgreg | dli: hehe I trandfered some 25GB with it once, it took some hours, watched a some movies within that time ;) |
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| 08:40.01 | mcgreg | -a |
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| 08:40.22 | litage | thanks sanoj |
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| 08:40.27 | mcgreg | dli: does this disk oply supp. usb1? |
| 08:40.32 | mcgreg | only |
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| 08:40.38 | the_fat_guy | Umm... I mean my linux system has problem when I use some command I must see error is "Bus Error" |
| 08:41.02 | dli | mcgreg, the enclosure is for 2.0, but just found my old compaq has 1.1 only |
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| 08:41.07 | Kovecses | the_fat_guy, what is your usual language? |
| 08:41.14 | the_fat_guy | and I check log file (kern.log) I see Buffer I/O error on device hda2. |
| 08:41.16 | the_fat_guy | Thai. |
| 08:41.19 | the_fat_guy | ^-^ |
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| 08:41.22 | Kovecses | oo |
| 08:41.41 | dli | mcgreg, $10 but usb 2.0, the compaq is VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 |
| 08:41.47 | litage | jm_: what exactly should i do with ethtool? |
| 08:41.47 | mcgreg | dli: ic :) I recommend to think about a usb2.0 card :) I did, and it was great ;D |
| 08:42.02 | czorg | I'm using sid and since last upgrade my gnome screen have strange line (like wrong hsync) when using keyboard |
| 08:42.10 | czorg | seem a problem of refresh |
| 08:42.13 | dli | mcgreg, for a laptop, how much would that cost :( |
| 08:42.21 | Kovecses | czorg, thats sid for ya |
| 08:42.34 | mcgreg | dli: hhe probably it would be betetr to buy a new laptot ;)) |
| 08:42.35 | czorg | only happen with gnome |
| 08:42.50 | Kovecses | czorg, did you try changing themes |
| 08:42.50 | mcgreg | ->laptop |
| 08:42.53 | Gumby | jm, how do I make the table "unfull"? |
| 08:43.14 | dli | mcgreg, I have a dell still working. I run freenet on the old compaq, since I couldn't figure out another way to use it |
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| 08:43.54 | jm_ | litage: run ethtool eth0 |
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| 08:44.07 | Kovecses | can i install udev on sarge? |
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| 08:44.24 | dli | Kovecses, get a new 2.6 kernel, and apt-get install udev |
| 08:44.28 | litage | jm_: ``ethtool eth0'' says "no data available" |
| 08:44.31 | the_fat_guy | Kovecses : thanks, I think I found artical on website is better. |
| 08:44.40 | mcgreg | dli: if you have another computer, at least at home, connect laptop to computer , and use usb-hdd with usb2 then, the eth is fast enough , at least several times faster then usb1, though |
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| 08:44.55 | Kovecses | dli, i have 2.6 so just apt udev? |
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| 08:45.32 | czorg | Kovecses changing the theme doesn't help |
| 08:45.39 | dli | mcgreg, yes, that makes sense, I have two d-link switches at home, I mean one wireless and one switch |
| 08:46.02 | dli | Kovecses, I think after 2.6.8 |
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| 08:46.44 | mcgreg | and if you install udev, remove hotplug... tho8ugh you will have to, because of dependecies |
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| 08:46.56 | dli | mcgreg, hope I can get the usb hdd work in linux, last time I have problem in getting a startech box up |
| 08:47.14 | jm_ | litage: hmm, then maybe try mii-diag |
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| 08:47.45 | litage | jm_: what are MII registers? |
| 08:48.02 | __boomer | hi |
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| 08:48.15 | __boomer | can anyone tell me when k3b will be availible for etch? |
| 08:48.22 | mcgreg | dli: hmm I never had a getting it work. if you have scsi and usb-storage modules and so on, you can simply mount it using sda1, I believe (it was long ago) |
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| 08:48.46 | zimnyx | i want to install etch (netinstall CD), do you advise me to use sarge or testing installer? |
| 08:48.49 | bibe | __boomer : read last week's DWN |
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| 08:49.18 | __boomer | bibe: sorry, i'm new to debian, whats the DWM and where can i find it? |
| 08:49.24 | litage | jm_: i believe i can't use nictools-pci or nictools-nopci because i don't have a pci nic, and -nopci doesn't list e1000 |
| 08:49.28 | dli | mcgreg, yeah, then, I just got error messages about descriptor time out. on and on |
| 08:49.29 | jm_ | Gumby: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_conntrack_max IIRC |
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| 08:49.48 | Kovecses | dli, this is my uname -r 2.6.8-2-686-smp |
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| 08:49.52 | jm_ | litage: you do have a PCI nic, and either ethtool or mii-diag should work for this card |
| 08:49.57 | bibe | __boomer : debian weekly news, there's a link in www.debian.org |
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| 08:50.06 | dli | mcgreg, eventually, I plug it in windows machine, and install ext2fsd for windows |
| 08:50.07 | __boomer | bibe: thanks |
| 08:50.08 | Gumby | jm_: thx, I'll have a look |
| 08:50.08 | litage | jm_: how is it a pci nic if it's integrated into the mobo? |
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| 08:50.15 | mcgreg | dli: huh? :) ok, no idea what wrong |
| 08:50.21 | mcgreg | +'s |
| 08:50.29 | jm_ | litage: it's still on PCI bus, noticed how lspci lists it? |
| 08:50.36 | bibe | __boomer : /msg dpkg dwn |
| 08:50.37 | litage | ah true! :) |
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| 08:51.12 | dli | mcgreg, hope I could be luck this time. just spent $110 for an 80GB hdd and a usb box |
| 08:51.17 | litage | jm_: and it doesn't matter that ``apt-cache show nictools-pci'' only lists eepro100 (ie: doesn't list e1000)? |
| 08:51.18 | __boomer | bibe: cool, thanks alot |
| 08:51.25 | Kovecses | !marillat |
| 08:51.25 | dpkg | [marillat] an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt >= 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> |
| 08:51.49 | bibe | __boomer : no problem |
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| 08:52.32 | mcgreg | dli: ohh... well, thats a nice amoutn of money and it hurts if it is wasted. but it should (it MUST) work.. I see no reason why. maybe you should once again check if all (needed) kernel modules are installed (properly and working) |
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| 08:52.47 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 08:52.52 | jm_ | litage: yeah go for it, we'll see if it works |
| 08:53.24 | dli | mcgreg, 80GB would be used as internal, wasted could be only the old 20GB hdd and the box |
| 08:53.35 | zimnyx | jm_: netinstall etch using sarge installer or testing installer? |
| 08:53.40 | litage | jm_: should i try mii-diag or nictools-pci, or both? |
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| 08:53.53 | dli | amorphix, which brand? I'm considering to get a new laptop |
| 08:53.57 | Kovecses | zimnyx, either or if you know apt well |
| 08:54.04 | amorphix | Debian astonishes me sometimes, I thought I might have problems with this laptop |
| 08:54.20 | jm_ | litage: try both if it's not easy to transfer files to the machine |
| 08:54.23 | jm_ | zimnyx: I have no idea |
| 08:54.28 | Kovecses | debian is the best .... hands down |
| 08:54.32 | amorphix | dli: Toshiba |
| 08:54.42 | dli | amorphix, with desktop cpu? |
| 08:54.54 | zimnyx | Kovecses: thanks |
| 08:54.54 | mcgreg | Kovecses: of course it is :) |
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| 08:55.03 | dli | amorphix, toshiba sounds really bad to me when comes to laptops |
| 08:55.06 | amorphix | I got a Tecra 8100 as i was sick of the ultra lightweight thin ones breaking on the hinges |
| 08:55.10 | litage | jm_: i will. however, not having ever used either, i'm not sure what to do. might you have any suggestions on how to use mii-diag and/or nictools-pci? |
| 08:55.25 | Kovecses | after all #debian has 714 people in it |
| 08:55.33 | amorphix | no way, I've been thru many laptops and Toshiba comes out ontop for build quality |
| 08:55.55 | amorphix | these are very rugged machines |
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| 08:56.15 | dli | amorphix, my ultra heavy thick dell is seeing hinges looser everyday |
| 08:56.21 | amorphix | :-( |
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| 08:56.52 | amorphix | I had a HP Omnibook 6000 before this and the LCD snapped off completely, both hinges went |
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| 08:57.05 | jm_ | litage: just run it, they're pretty simple to use -- if it doesn't work, specify device name (i.e. eth0) |
| 08:57.05 | takisd | anyone else notice latest version of gamin in testing (0.1.7-2) breaks the gnome menu? |
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| 08:57.18 | __boomer | bibe: i'm sorry, but i just can't find any article related to k3b in the last three DWN |
| 08:57.20 | Kovecses | takisd, really??? |
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| 08:57.27 | Tidus | amorphix: i have an IBM Thinkpad that's about 7 years old and it hasn't had a single thing break |
| 08:57.32 | dli | amorphix, just like my compaq, it's good for nothing but running freenet silently there |
| 08:57.40 | Kovecses | IBM's are quality |
| 08:57.51 | amorphix | I've heard good things about IBM Thinkpads and did consider getting one but i just dont like the design |
| 08:57.53 | dli | amorphix, dell, hp(compaq) ruled out :( |
| 08:58.00 | amorphix | compaq is not good |
| 08:58.11 | dli | amorphix, how about asus? |
| 08:58.13 | amorphix | i had one of those go too, hinges loose as hell would just flop down |
| 08:58.22 | Tidus | amorphix: i also have an OLD compaq LTE5400 that hasn't had a single thing go wrong |
| 08:58.23 | takisd | Kovecses: yep pretty sure. i lost my applications menu - for all users. went back to 0.1.5-2 and its back |
| 08:58.27 | amorphix | never tried asus or heard about it since today |
| 08:58.43 | litage | jm_: ah cool |
| 08:58.48 | dli | amorphix, the only smooth part of running that compaq is the hinge |
| 08:58.54 | amorphix | the older machines seem to be better designed and built to last |
| 08:59.09 | amorphix | I think Toshiba continued the old style design on the Tecra range |
| 08:59.18 | Kovecses | takisd, wow........ see thats why i use stable...... or sid..... testing is really unpredictable right now |
| 08:59.22 | takisd | amorphix: just got a thinkpad all works great using etch. ugly though and most resolutions are still 1024x768 - but works well anyway |
| 08:59.28 | dli | amorphix, how come? asus is a major brand which allows you to buy windowsless |
| 08:59.29 | Tidus | amorphix: the only thing that sucked about that laptop was the fact that the keyboard was permanently sticky from age. it was too slow for porn surfing, so that's ruled out |
| 08:59.30 | bibe | __boomer : just a second |
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| 08:59.50 | dli | amorphix, but asus costs like thinkpad |
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| 09:00.00 | amorphix | hehe |
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| 09:00.17 | amorphix | thinkpad is a good choice, the cost is reasonable too |
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| 09:00.35 | dli | amorphix, okay, I will go thinkpad then |
| 09:01.04 | dli | amorphix, do they have sealed antispill keyboard with thinkpad? I liked that |
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| 09:03.51 | Pengu1n | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:03.51 | Pengu1n | Prototype mismatch: sub main::getopt: none vs (@) at /usr/bin/dpkg-scansources line 116. |
| 09:03.56 | Pengu1n | hi there. |
| 09:04.05 | dorto | i have only two network interfaces eth0 and eth1; eth0 has not entry in /etc/network/interfaces; debian sarge still configures eth0. how can i disable it? |
| 09:04.19 | dorto | there is no iface eth0 ... in interfaces file |
| 09:04.43 | dorto | i get these sort of msgs at boot time: "eth0: VIA Rhine II at 0x1800, 00:c0:9f:2f:2b:9d, IRQ 4." |
| 09:05.16 | dorto | also i get this error during boot time: eth2: unkown address type 24 |
| 09:05.16 | nkuttler | dorto: loading the module != configuring |
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| 09:05.34 | nkuttler | dorto: try /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 09:05.50 | yos | hi |
| 09:06.04 | yos | when can I find the history of debian |
| 09:06.14 | dorto | google? |
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| 09:06.23 | nkuttler | !debian history |
| 09:06.24 | dpkg | hmm... debian history is http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history |
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| 09:06.48 | yos | dpkg: i'm checking |
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| 09:07.16 | litage | jm_: mii-diag said "SIOCGMIIPHY on eth0 failed: Operation not supported." |
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| 09:07.20 | Metrics | yos: dpkg is a bot. |
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| 09:07.41 | litage | jm_: eepro100-diag said "unable to find a recognized card in /proc/pci" ...that's probably because /proc/pci doesn't exist |
| 09:07.55 | yos | metrics: what the mean of "bot" |
| 09:08.10 | hasan_anti | slm |
| 09:08.11 | Metrics | yos: It means that it does automated replies. |
| 09:08.29 | litage | yos: it's a program/script/whatever; not a person |
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| 09:09.20 | hasan_anti | hiiiiii |
| 09:09.59 | yos | litage : metrics : oh really |
| 09:10.06 | peterrooney | yos: whenever the dpkg script sees a line that starts with `dpkg' in this channel, it checks its database for potential answers. |
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| 09:11.01 | yos | Peterrooney: but how did you know this, and how other people knew it also ? |
| 09:11.16 | litage | yos: from spending too much time in #debian =P |
| 09:11.16 | peterrooney | yos: really. try `/msg dpkg xorg' and see how fast it responds. |
| 09:11.28 | Metrics | yos: Too much time. |
| 09:11.59 | yos | dpkg: hi (: |
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| 09:12.02 | dpkg | (Many greetings, (:, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty.|Long days and pleasant nights, sai (:!) |
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| 09:12.06 | rmrfchik | hi |
| 09:12.08 | ghnsxns | hi - i istalled xfree86-common and xserver-xfree86 on sarge but i cannot find the startx file or the XF86config or a logfile - thx in advance |
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| 09:12.20 | rmrfchik | have anyone tried America's Army? |
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| 09:12.32 | jm_ | litage: and ethtool doesn't work either? |
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| 09:12.49 | umbop | hey guys, i dont suppose anyone knows where i can get apache2.1 from .deb do they, i can see apache2 but not 2.1 in the repository |
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| 09:13.06 | Metrics | ghnsxns: What happens when you run startx? |
| 09:13.08 | yos | litage: yea |
| 09:13.08 | litage | jm_: ``ethtool eth0'' says "no data available" |
| 09:13.27 | bibe | __boomer : still there? take a look at http://www.mailarchives.org/list/debian-user/msg/2005/40951 |
| 09:13.41 | ghnsxns | nothig |
| 09:13.43 | dorto | prism54.org seems to have completely changed. where can i download the prism54 firmware now? |
| 09:14.01 | Metrics | ghnsxns: No error messages or anything? |
| 09:14.09 | liable | ghnsxns: install x-window-system |
| 09:14.17 | yos | litage: If I have windows network (lan) . can debian join this network |
| 09:14.18 | ghnsxns | no - just a new prompt |
| 09:14.22 | Kovecses | ghnsxns, ^^^^^ |
| 09:14.27 | Metrics | liable: Good catch. |
| 09:14.27 | litage | yos: yes |
| 09:14.42 | litage | yos: in the future, please address questions to the channel until someone specifically responds to |
| 09:14.45 | litage | you |
| 09:14.52 | jm_ | litage: hmm ok, does it say anything about link status in the logs if you unplug/replug the cable? |
| 09:14.53 | __boomer | bibe: thanks |
| 09:15.09 | __boomer | bibe: sounds like i better switch to sarge |
| 09:15.18 | ghnsxns | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:15.46 | yos | does peachtree accounting software abailable on debian? |
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| 09:16.06 | liable | !tell yos about search |
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| 09:17.46 | yos | liable: hehe I get |
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| 09:18.10 | yos | liable: I'm new on mirc so many things I don't know |
| 09:18.19 | Kovecses | !tell Kovecses about search |
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| 09:18.50 | liable | yos: np :) |
| 09:18.53 | bibe | __boomer : downgrading isn't always a good idea, you'd better reinstall your system from sarge |
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| 09:19.31 | __boomer | bibe: thanks for the hint, i'll do that |
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| 09:20.10 | hawking | I am on my university's network and trying to download torrents using azureus.But I always get a NAT error so I can't download well...Is there anyway to fix this problem? Do you know of any torrent programs that uses proxies? |
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| 09:20.42 | hawking | I am on my university's network and trying to download torrents using azureus.But I always get a NAT error so I can't download well...Is there anyway to fix this problem? Do you know of any torrent programs that uses proxies? |
| 09:20.50 | Guerin | hawking: no. |
| 09:21.00 | yos | ! tell hawking about search |
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| 09:21.14 | __boomer | bibe: thanks again for the help |
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| 09:22.08 | Guerin | hawking: the 'nat error' means that you are able to only make outbound connections - inbound are blocked by your firewall. There's no way around it other than by opening or forwarding ports on the firewall, and I rather doubt your university will do that for you. |
| 09:22.08 | Metrics | yos: What did you do that for? |
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| 09:22.44 | yos | metrics: you mean peachtree , it's accounting software |
| 09:22.44 | hawking | Guerin: yeah I guess so.. and is there no way to use a proxy or smth like that to solve this prob? |
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| 09:22.54 | Guerin | hawking: nope. Think about it. |
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| 09:23.02 | yos | metrics: it's very famous |
| 09:23.12 | litage | jm_: which log in particular? |
| 09:23.12 | Metrics | yos: No, why did you tell hawking about search? |
| 09:23.13 | Guerin | hawking: unless you run your torrent client on an external host which isn't firewalled. |
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| 09:23.47 | dorto | yos: if you want to use some software that would allow you to use ftp/p2p/torrents etc, then there may be some illegal programs to do that. |
| 09:23.50 | dorto | oops |
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| 09:24.09 | dorto | ^^^for hawking not yos |
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| 09:24.18 | yos | metrics: i just mean to help him |
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| 09:24.20 | hawking | dorto: like what? |
| 09:24.24 | Guerin | dorto: you misunderstand his problem |
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| 09:24.26 | dorto | hawking, my friend uses such a software on windows |
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| 09:24.34 | Guerin | hawking: he doesn't know what he's talking about |
| 09:25.05 | Guerin | no incoming connections is the same regardless of OS, and the only way to mitigate it is to accept incoming connections |
| 09:25.19 | Guerin | which you can't do because you don't own the firewall |
| 09:25.42 | dorto | if he is able to download through any port then i have misunderstood his problem |
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| 09:25.54 | Metrics | yos: It would seem that Peachtree only runs on Windows. You could try Wine or something, but it's commercial software, so it's not going to be in debian/ |
| 09:25.57 | jm_ | litage: just try dmesg output first |
| 09:26.00 | Guerin | dorto: he is able to MAKE outbound connections ONLY. |
| 09:26.00 | dorto | i though some ports are blocked like for torrents and p2p |
| 09:26.09 | dorto | oh |
| 09:26.14 | Guerin | dorto: yes, in this case, ALL incoming connections. |
| 09:26.24 | dorto | means general limitation of NAT |
| 09:26.31 | Guerin | not necessarily |
| 09:26.51 | Guerin | it's possible to forward ports to get around this problem |
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| 09:27.12 | Guerin | but only if you own the machine that decides where the packets go |
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| 09:27.20 | pabs3 | yos: peachtree seems to be non-free windows software, so you will have to ask the publishers to port it to debian, or run it under wine - http://winehq.com (wine is in debian) |
| 09:27.22 | cronik | hey guys |
| 09:27.27 | cronik | i have a problem |
| 09:27.30 | dorto | guerin: to be able to forward, don't you still need a publicly available machine which runs ssh server? |
| 09:27.31 | yos | metrics: do you know a non-commercial accounting software available in linux |
| 09:27.32 | Metrics | Guerin: Or you have access to a machine outside the university. |
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| 09:27.37 | Guerin | am I going to have to draw a diagram in crayon, or is this explanation simple enough now? |
| 09:27.37 | litage | jm_: no changes in dmesg |
| 09:27.43 | Guerin | Metrics: in which case it's moot. |
| 09:27.44 | litage | jm_: also, nothing changed in /var/log/ |
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| 09:27.48 | Guerin | dorto: no. |
| 09:27.49 | pabs3 | yos: gnucash is one |
| 09:27.52 | yos | pabs: not free |
| 09:28.00 | Metrics | Guerin: Indeed. And yes a diagram would be nice, in ASCII art please. |
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| 09:28.13 | yos | pab: where to get gnucash |
| 09:28.23 | resiak | Guerin: Paste it to the channel. |
| 09:28.27 | pabs3 | yos: aptitude install gnucash |
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| 09:28.31 | Guerin | resiak: for great justice. |
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| 09:28.41 | pabs3 | hah |
| 09:28.57 | yos | pabs: sorry does gnucash is accounting sofware |
| 09:29.02 | Tidus | i'm trying to figure out simple backports, but dpkg isn't responding to me |
| 09:29.11 | cronik | i just finish installing apache,wen i type localhost in firefox it works good but wen another person try to see it from another pc it dosent work and yes they change localhost to my ip adress |
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| 09:29.16 | cronik | can anyone help |
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| 09:29.31 | Tidus | cronik: forward port 80 through your router to that PC |
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| 09:29.38 | Metrics | cronik: What sort of situation are you working in? |
| 09:29.42 | Tidus | can anybody help me |
| 09:29.44 | cronik | i don"t have a router |
| 09:29.49 | pabs3 | yos: http://packages.debian.org/stable/gnome/gnucash |
| 09:29.50 | cronik | well |
| 09:29.50 | Metrics | cronik: Local network, cross the internet? |
| 09:30.12 | resiak | Tidus: Are you asking it about things it knows about? If not, it won't answer. |
| 09:30.14 | yos | pabs: i'm checking |
| 09:30.14 | cronik | i have ubuntu with apacne ,mysql and php |
| 09:30.25 | cronik | i have cable |
| 09:30.27 | resiak | cronik: /topic, #ubuntu |
| 09:30.32 | dorto | cronik: #ubuntu |
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| 09:30.40 | ghnsxns | how do i tell xserver to use aewm as gui? |
| 09:30.50 | Tidus | resiak: it does know about simple backports, but i'm probably not asking it the right question |
| 09:30.55 | Tidus | !backports |
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| 09:30.56 | jm_ | litage: after unplugging the cable? |
| 09:30.58 | cronik | ubuntu people are very bad people :( |
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| 09:31.06 | dorto | hahaha |
| 09:31.08 | Tidus | cronik: but this isn't #ubuntu |
| 09:31.14 | cronik | i know |
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| 09:31.17 | litage | jm_: yes |
| 09:31.23 | cronik | but u can help me with apache |
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| 09:31.28 | Tidus | cronik: the debian folks don't like answering questions about ubuntu |
| 09:31.28 | Metrics | Tidus: that's why he's here. Ubuntu are bad. |
| 09:31.30 | dorto | cronik, i agree, but the problem is not present in debian sarge i guess |
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| 09:31.53 | dorto | apache binds to network address by default |
| 09:31.55 | Tidus | cronik: if you're sure it's an apache problem, maybe #apache can help |
| 09:31.56 | Metrics | cronik: If you didn't mention that you were using ubuntu, none of us would have been the wiser. |
| 09:31.57 | jm_ | litage: and you loaded it with debug=16? |
| 09:32.01 | resiak | cronik: #apache can help you with Apache. |
| 09:32.05 | litage | jm_: i did ``sudo ls -al /var/log/ >1'' then unplugged the rj45, waited 1 minute, plugged it back in, then ``sudo ls -al /var/log/ >2 && diff 1 2'' |
| 09:32.05 | cronik | but can yall just help me only on this problem |
| 09:32.07 | resiak | Metrics: Do not advocate that, please. |
| 09:32.13 | litage | jm_: debug=16 doesn't seem to have any effect |
| 09:32.21 | Masquerano | oi |
| 09:32.24 | Metrics | resiak: Hey, it is the truth though. |
| 09:32.28 | resiak | Tidus: Someone broke the backports factoid. |
| 09:32.34 | Masquerano | tem alguém do Brasil |
| 09:32.39 | resiak | !br |
| 09:32.39 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 09:33.01 | Tidus | resiak,can you tell me how to do that then? |
| 09:33.03 | dorto | Metrics, hiding sth like that and troubling others for no use is not very kind |
| 09:33.19 | rama | Hi everybody ! I am trying to print on a remote ps printer with lp, configured /etc/printcap with printtool, and the thing keeps trying to send printing jobs to localhost... does anyone know how to overcome this ? |
| 09:33.25 | resiak | Tidus: /msg dpkg listkeys backport; pick one, /msg dpkg that factoid |
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| 09:34.06 | jm_ | litage: hmm then I'm out of ideas, it should really say something |
| 09:34.38 | Nvidiot | hello, I've got something strange happening with debian on my laptop. When I type "shutdown -P now" as root, it switches to single-user mode instead of powering off. What's up with that ? |
| 09:34.50 | Tidus | resiak: the reason i'm asking is because I want to run kernel 2.6.14 (2.6.12 in testing is a bit old) |
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| 09:34.57 | litage | jm_: modprobe's manpage only mentions "debug" in reference to -v, which i used |
| 09:35.00 | resiak | Tidus: Do you _need_ 2.6.14? |
| 09:35.02 | Tidus | Nvidiot: maybe shutdown -h now? |
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| 09:35.11 | Nvidiot | Tidus: that halts, but doesn't poweroff |
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| 09:35.18 | Tidus | resiak: if there's one thing i like to keep up to date, it's the kernel |
| 09:35.30 | resiak | Tidus: You didn't answer my question. :) |
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| 09:35.51 | Tidus | resiak: it's pretty sad when 2.6.14 is already in gentoo's "stable" tree and it's still in sid on debian |
| 09:35.57 | litage | Nvidiot: if -h doesn't shutdown your system, it's probably an issue with acpi or apci or whatever it's called; either installed in linux or in the bios |
| 09:36.00 | cronik | check if works 4yall |
| 09:36.05 | cronik | http://67.87.192.244/forum/ |
| 09:36.09 | cronik | that the site |
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| 09:36.13 | Nvidiot | the last bit it prints with -h is: flushing ide devices: hda hdb and then Power down. And it just sits there afterwards |
| 09:36.21 | resiak | Tidus: No, you just don't understand how Debian releases work. |
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| 09:36.26 | Nvidiot | litage: oddly enough, ubuntu shuts it down properly |
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| 09:36.29 | litage | Tidus: not at all. gentoo could've rushed 2.6.14 through and not done as thorough of a job |
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| 09:36.31 | justnulli | how come debians changes perl modules names from Apache2::name to Apache2::Apache? |
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| 09:36.39 | bibe | Nvidiot : add "nolapic" parameter to grub/lilo |
| 09:36.41 | cronik | did it work for anyone? |
| 09:36.44 | Tidus | cronik: doesn't work here |
| 09:36.48 | Nvidiot | bibe: let me try that :) |
| 09:36.49 | cronik | damn |
| 09:37.00 | bibe | Nvidiot : is it an asus m6ne? |
| 09:37.07 | cronik | it works 4 me but not 4 the others |
| 09:37.10 | cronik | i wonder y |
| 09:37.12 | resiak | Tidus: 2.6.14 has not been out for two weeks. There is no way it could be in Testing, and will of course never be in stable. /msg dpkg simple etch/sid mix |
| 09:37.21 | Metrics | cronik: Could your ISP be blocking the port? |
| 09:37.35 | resiak | Tidus: Obviously, when playing with Sid you get to keep the pieces when it breaks. |
| 09:37.40 | cronik | i don"t think so |
| 09:37.44 | pabs3 | resiak: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 09:37.50 | Nvidiot | bibe: no, it's a Dell Inspiron 8200 |
| 09:37.52 | cronik | how can i know if they are? |
| 09:37.53 | bibe | Tidus : you can bring linux-source-2.6.14 from unstable and build your own kernel-image |
| 09:37.53 | ghnsxns | how do i tell xserver to use aewm/another gui |
| 09:37.55 | resiak | pabs3: What's your point? |
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| 09:38.02 | jm_ | litage: it's a module parameter, try modinfo -p e1000 |
| 09:38.09 | bibe | Nvidiot : I solved the same issue on my asus m6ne |
| 09:38.11 | Tidus | resiak: when 2.6.10 came out, i was running testing "sarge" and about 3 days after 2.6.10 came out, it was in testing |
| 09:38.12 | Metrics | cronik: Try a different port. |
| 09:38.28 | pabs3 | resiak: oops, misread, sorry |
| 09:38.31 | resiak | Tidus: 2.6.10 was never in Sarge. |
| 09:38.34 | cronik | how can i set apache to work on a difrent port? |
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| 09:38.52 | Tidus | resiak: may have been 2.6.9 |
| 09:38.56 | resiak | cronik: Read its documentation, or go to #apache |
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| 09:39.00 | Nvidiot | bibe: nolapic doesn't work |
| 09:39.01 | resiak | Tidus: 2.6.9 was never in Sarge. |
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| 09:39.13 | cronik | well |
| 09:39.24 | MrKeuner | which package should I install in order to create /var/spool/mail/USERNAME file? exim4? |
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| 09:39.27 | Tidus | resiak: what was the most recent version included in sarge? |
| 09:39.33 | resiak | Tidus: 2.6.8. |
| 09:39.36 | bibe | Nvidiot : did you boot with nolapic and then halt? |
| 09:39.36 | cronik | i deleted all the apache documents and there is no one in the apache room |
| 09:39.41 | amorphix | S3 Savage MX 3D graphics card is well supported in X |
| 09:40.00 | Tidus | resiak: well i have my old sarge box sitting here, unupdated in the 6 months it's sat idle, just fired it up a few mins ago, and it says it's running 2.6.9 |
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| 09:40.08 | Nvidiot | bibe: yes, I added nolapic to the kernel line in grub, booted, then did shutdown -hP now, still sits there with "Power down." |
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| 09:40.25 | Metrics | cronik: Go to #apache, we'll sort it out there. |
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| 09:40.31 | resiak | Tidus: I can't be bothered to argue this, because I'm certain 2.6.9 was never in Sarge, because that doesn't make sense. |
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| 09:40.58 | nakee | what was that sdite again that tells you why a package is not yet in testing? |
| 09:41.16 | djp | do i have to edit a crontab for root if i want to run a cronjob for an app that i usually run with the sudo command? |
| 09:41.17 | resiak | !why is foo not in testing# |
| 09:41.17 | dpkg | resiak: what are you talking about? |
| 09:41.19 | resiak | !why is foo not in testing |
| 09:41.21 | dpkg | foo is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=foo |
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| 09:41.46 | Tidus | resiak: not to be argumentative, but if sarge shipped with 2.6.8, then sarge is as old as SuSE 9.2 |
| 09:41.50 | hawking | amule servers are also blocked :/ I have a 100mbps internet but can't download anything that really suckz |
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| 09:42.08 | Tidus | and that's 5 versions old. |
| 09:42.08 | nakee | resiak: thanks;) |
| 09:42.09 | nakee | :) |
| 09:42.25 | Nvidiot | bibe: any clue ? |
| 09:42.35 | amorphix | 100mbps internet, lucky you |
| 09:42.38 | resiak | Tidus: Sarge's kernel version was frozen fairly early. Yeah, it's 5 versions older than kernel.org's current "stable" release, over 6 months after Sarge was released. I'm still failing to see your point. |
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| 09:42.50 | hackeron | I need to backup some data to CDs for a windows user, but that data is 12GB. How would I compress/split it out so that the data is fairly easy to open on a windows box? |
| 09:42.54 | hawking | amorphix : but torrents and p2p blocked |
| 09:43.15 | amorphix | im warming my hands on the underside of my laptop, normally this would burn my hands but its so damn cold today i dont even notice it |
| 09:43.16 | Tidus | resiak: has the debian kernel team fixed all the holes that were found in 2.6.8? |
| 09:43.22 | amorphix | oh |
| 09:43.30 | resiak | Tidus: This is the whole entire point of the Debian security team... |
| 09:43.31 | pabs3 | hackeron: multi-volume zip file maybe? |
| 09:43.39 | resiak | Tidus: http://www.debian.org/releases |
| 09:43.48 | Tidus | meh oh well. |
| 09:44.01 | Tidus | i'll just backport .14 to my box |
| 09:44.10 | pabs3 | Tidus: backports.org/pending |
| 09:44.17 | amorphix | what p2p do you guys use |
| 09:44.23 | pabs3 | ftp |
| 09:44.27 | amorphix | I tried DC++ but i didnt like it |
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| 09:44.37 | yos | hackeron: do you know norton ghost , you can use it to commpress big data at the same time |
| 09:44.52 | amorphix | ftp isnt really p2p eh |
| 09:45.06 | Tidus | now ... uhm... what package is it for the linux kernel source? |
| 09:45.07 | dorto | hawking: then you need what i told |
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| 09:45.36 | amorphix | hawking maybe you need to open your ports |
| 09:45.41 | pabs3 | Tidus: one of these: http://www.backports.org/pending/linux-2.6/ |
| 09:45.48 | hawking | dorto: you mean that program that ur friend use? |
| 09:45.49 | hackeron | pabs3: I tried zip and zipsplit but it just says bad archive. |
| 09:45.54 | yos | wite |
| 09:45.56 | hackeron | yos: where can I get it for linux? |
| 09:45.56 | dorto | hawking: search on google for softwares which let you bypass port blocking, but that may or maynot be illegal, so you are on your own |
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| 09:46.15 | hawking | dorto: can you gimme the name of the program that ur friend uses? |
| 09:46.24 | nakee | yea kde 3.4 is in testing but installing it require removing amarok k3b and few other sound programs |
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| 09:46.29 | amorphix | could use a proxy server but it might be slow |
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| 09:46.56 | omry|work | hi. I am trying to use inotify in a small C test program, and I can't seem to find how to call inotify syscalls. pointers would be appriciated |
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| 09:47.09 | Tidus | ... i must have added the wrong repo |
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| 09:47.17 | hackeron | pabs3: maybe I was using it wrong? -- but zipsplit just refused to split the 8GB zip archive |
| 09:47.26 | amorphix | im finding the toshset program someone has written pretty niffty |
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| 09:48.21 | pabs3 | hackeron: no idea, perhaps it doesn't support large files (over the 4Gb limit) |
| 09:48.22 | raafat | hello every one |
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| 09:50.48 | liable | ghnsxns: install xdm or gdm or kdm or wdm or... |
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| 09:51.08 | liable | ghnsxns: or use update-alternatives or xinitrc.. |
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| 09:51.42 | yos | hockeron: you don't need to downlod it for linux |
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| 09:52.28 | Tidus | okay i got that figured out |
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| 09:52.33 | Tidus | thanks fory our help |
| 09:52.36 | pabs3 | hackeron: as a last resort, use split on linux, and a win32 version of cat on the other side: http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 09:53.27 | gridline | Any idea how to log someone out of X(kde) from a command line? |
| 09:54.09 | Guerin | dorto: you STILL don't understand |
| 09:54.12 | hackeron | pabs3: yeah, that is the last resort, the person opening the archive wont be able to cope with that |
| 09:54.36 | Guerin | it's a good thing I made this idiot-proof How Firewalling Works ascii-art diagram |
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| 09:54.48 | Guerin | would have had it done ages ago, but my wife got home |
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| 09:54.56 | pabs3 | gridline: kill their xserver process? |
| 09:54.57 | litage | jm_: i stuck a pci nic into the machine, booted up, and added an eth1 entry for it to /etc/network/interfaces . i brought up eth0 and eth1, and ethtool gives information for eth1 but not eth0. however, dmesg only mentions eth0, not eth1 |
| 09:55.09 | litage | jm_: how can i determine which physical nic is eth0 and which is eth1? |
| 09:55.09 | pabs3 | hackeron: you could write a batch file to automate it |
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| 09:55.27 | Tidus | litage: does ifconfig show both eth0 and eth1? |
| 09:55.34 | jm_ | litage: ethtool/mii-diag will tell you or the logs |
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| 09:56.16 | dli | litage, if you want to fix the order, try ifrename |
| 09:56.19 | gridline | pabs3, that would be everyone. I want to dfisturm as littler as possible so I don't have to catch a train and go see the server |
| 09:56.31 | liable | litage: the mac address |
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| 09:56.35 | litage | dli: the order doesn't matter. i just want to determine which NIC ethtool is talking about |
| 09:56.36 | jm_ | litage: to fix them, use ifrename, and it's also possible via ether kernel parameter |
| 09:56.39 | hackeron | pabs3: a batch file to automate installation of the cat software? |
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| 09:57.01 | dli | litage, plugin in one cable and check ifconfig |
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| 09:57.20 | jm_ | litage: ls -l /sys/class/net/eth*/device/ |
| 09:57.25 | Guerin | dorto: http://feayn.org/~lewis/firewall101.txt |
| 09:57.31 | pabs3 | hackeron: nah, put cat + a batch file on the first CD, and make the CD auto-run the script |
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| 09:58.47 | pabs3 | or write a C or python program (there are py2exe converters) to replace cat |
| 09:58.52 | hackeron | pabs3: yeah, I guess - thats a major pain in the ass though :) |
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| 09:59.28 | dorto | Guerin: "hawking amule servers are also blocked :/ I have a 100mbps internet but can't download anything that really suckz" |
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| 10:00.11 | litage | jm_: /sys/class/net/eth0/ doesn't exist, but eth1/ does |
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| 10:00.29 | litage | sit0 is for serial? |
| 10:00.35 | SimonRaven | no |
| 10:00.37 | dorto | guerin: if some ports are completely blocked so that you are not able to download sth, then there are softwares to bypass that port blocking |
| 10:00.41 | SimonRaven | 6in4 |
| 10:00.52 | SimonRaven | but sit1 is used, for bug reasons |
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| 10:01.17 | litage | SimonRaven: ? |
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| 10:01.31 | SimonRaven | ipv6 in an ipv4 tunnel |
| 10:01.32 | flustered | dsvdude: eth0:0 problem solved, it was the procedure for bringing it up in "debian reference" that needed to be ingnored. |
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| 10:01.37 | litage | ah |
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| 10:01.53 | dvsdude | flustered, sweet |
| 10:02.05 | Guerin | dorto: what he means is 'I'm stupid and I don't understand how firewalling works' |
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| 10:03.09 | SimonRaven | wtf, "bypass port blocking"? right. smoking crack ... |
| 10:03.19 | Guerin | dorto: all it is is that other machines can't connect to him, and/or that only certain ports are allowed out. If the former is the case, he can use any means of transferring data which requires HIM to make the initial connection; if the latter, your friend's software (which is perfectly legal) won't help. |
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| 10:03.56 | dorto | Guerin, why does he needs to know how firewall works? if he is not able to download sth because of firewall restrictions, either he can opt to respect the policy or just search for some software that bypasses some firewall settings |
| 10:04.00 | Guerin | dorto: all that software does is sends stuff via different, unblocked ports. |
| 10:04.14 | Guerin | dorto: YOU CANNOT BYPASS FIREWALL SETTINGS |
| 10:04.17 | dorto | Guerin, exactly; it uses port 80 |
| 10:04.18 | ghnsxns | liable : xdm is installed but nothig happens after logging in |
| 10:04.23 | SimonRaven | exactly. it doesn't magically open those ports |
| 10:04.34 | Guerin | dorto: PORT 80 TRAFFIC IS ALLOWED |
| 10:04.40 | Guerin | you're not bypassing ANYTHING |
| 10:04.59 | dorto | Guerin, yes ofcourse, doesn't change bypass settings, but gets the job done even if there are firewall settings to block the ports |
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| 10:05.27 | Guerin | dorto: that can all be done in the client program - just tell it to use port 80 |
| 10:05.30 | yos | hocheron: it's startup software , to backup whole partition |
| 10:05.30 | Guerin | or whatever. |
| 10:05.43 | dorto | Guerin, YOU CAN USE A SOFT TO DOWNLOAD STH THAT IS NOT AVAILABLE ON PORT 80 BY USING A SOFT THAT MAPS FROM ONE PORT TO ANOTHER |
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| 10:05.57 | Tidus | dorto: uncaps yourself please. |
| 10:05.59 | yos | i go |
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| 10:06.06 | Guerin | dorto: and it STILL doesn't solve the issue of him not being able to recieve unsolicited incoming connections on 80 |
| 10:06.07 | resiak | I STAY |
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| 10:06.15 | dorto | Guerin, not all the clients support that |
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| 10:06.35 | Guerin | dorto: name one p2p client which doesn't bind to an arbitrary port |
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| 10:07.04 | dorto | Guerin, he never wanted unsolicited connections; its impossible with computers behind NAT and if no other public ip is under his control |
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| 10:07.23 | Guerin | dorto: THAT is his only problem. |
| 10:07.32 | dorto | Guerin, i was not just talking about p2p; i use the softw for ftp, p2p, torrents, irc etc |
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| 10:07.44 | Guerin | dorto: but you don't NEED to. |
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| 10:08.09 | dorto | Guerin, i private chatted him and he just was not able to d/l softs on anything other than http. that's it. |
| 10:08.21 | Guerin | dorto: funny, he was able to use irc. |
| 10:08.22 | dorto | Guerin, if he had any other problem, then he did not tell it to me |
| 10:08.36 | dorto | Guerin, diff networks have diff settings i guess? |
| 10:08.50 | Guerin | dorto: you still haven't named a single p2p program which won't bind to any random port I want it to bind to. |
| 10:08.55 | Guerin | because you CAN'T |
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| 10:09.04 | Guerin | because there isn't one |
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| 10:09.12 | dorto | Guerin, how do you suggest me to download sth from ftp if that port is blocked? |
| 10:09.16 | Guerin | because they all use the same underlying stack |
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| 10:09.56 | dorto | Guerin, can't i block some ports and other networks block some other ports? |
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| 10:10.08 | Guerin | dorto: you STILL misunderstand. |
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| 10:10.24 | dorto | Guerin, you are in eternal confusion |
| 10:10.32 | Moonscope | anyone know of a non gui bittorrent client? |
| 10:10.38 | Guerin | Moonscope: rtorrent |
| 10:10.46 | Moonscope | thx |
| 10:10.46 | jm_ | litage: so you only have eth1 then |
| 10:10.50 | resiak | Moonscope: bittorrent, bittornado |
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| 10:11.09 | liable | just about all of em are non gui.. with gui front ends.. |
| 10:11.16 | litage | jm_: i stuck a PCI NIC into the problem box and booted up with no rj45 attached. i plugged an rj45 into the onboard nic, and couldn't ping anywhere. i moved the rj45 into the PCI NIC, and immediately linux said "...link up...", and i successfully pinged |
| 10:11.22 | Moonscope | do any of them allow you to just put the torrent files into a folder and it starts the downlaod? |
| 10:11.37 | SimonRaven | wtf |
| 10:11.42 | Guerin | Moonscope: the default btlaunchmanycurses does |
| 10:11.55 | Guerin | Moonscope: if you'd actually read anything about bittorrent you might know this |
| 10:12.02 | Moonscope | lol |
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| 10:12.23 | Guerin | it's part of the basic reference implementation, the one which all the other clients are based off |
| 10:12.33 | Moonscope | oh, cool |
| 10:12.53 | litage | jm_: this is the msg that came up when i plugged the rj45 into the PCI NIC: |
| 10:12.53 | dli | litage, great you can insert a second nic :) |
| 10:12.57 | jm_ | litage: that might mean the driver has problems, might be worth trying the latest version |
| 10:13.14 | litage | jm_: e1000: eth0: e1000_watchdog: NIC Link is Up 100Mbps Full Duplex |
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| 10:13.23 | jm_ | litage: is that right? |
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| 10:13.28 | litage | jm_: the PCI NIC is intel too, but notice that it used e1000 |
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| 10:13.54 | jm_ | litage: yes, what does lspci say for it? |
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| 10:14.37 | Moonscope | also, is there an equivilent version of netlimiter for linux? |
| 10:14.51 | Moonscope | that you can specify bandwith to certain programs for certain times of the day |
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| 10:14.58 | QMeister | hi |
| 10:15.15 | SimonRaven | Moonscope: iptables, iproute |
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| 10:15.28 | SimonRaven | latter known in some distros as iproute2 |
| 10:15.33 | Moonscope | hmm, was thinking of something a little more 'built' |
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| 10:15.49 | litage | jm_: lspci says this for the PCI NIC: 0000:06:01.0 Ethernet Controller: Intel Corp 82541PI Gig Eth Controller rev05 |
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| 10:16.03 | SimonRaven | shell frontend scripts to those. there's more than i can count |
| 10:16.09 | jm_ | litage: yeah different model, I would try the latest driver from sourceforge.net/projects/e1000 |
| 10:16.19 | QMeister | anybody familiar with the relabeling bug (passwd is relabed from etc_t to shadow_t) with selinux? |
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| 10:16.35 | jm_ | litage: bbl, nature calls |
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| 10:16.41 | litage | i compiled the e1000 module from intel's site, but it failed to load |
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| 10:17.01 | litage | jm_: thanks for your help throughout all of this. i really appreciate how much time of your time you've given me |
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| 10:17.13 | dli | litage, are you running the newest kernel? just in case |
| 10:17.22 | jan__ | I am having trouble installing the latest nvidia graphics driver, from source, with the newest linux kernel, on an athlon64 system |
| 10:17.28 | litage | dli: 2.6.11-686-smp |
| 10:17.34 | SimonRaven | 2.6.14 is proving to be rather nice |
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| 10:18.04 | dli | litage, I would faint to death, you spent so long without trying 2.6.14 yet |
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| 10:18.13 | SimonRaven | running it on 2 arches (yes, only 2), and it's stable on both |
| 10:18.31 | jan__ | the nvidia installer compiles the module, then asks me if I want the 32bit compatibility OpenGL libs, I say yes, but then gives me an error that the runtime check for "libGL.so.1.0.7676" failed. is this a known problem ? |
| 10:18.39 | litage | dli: yes but 2.6.14 can't easily be used on sarge |
| 10:19.07 | dli | litage, you don't really care, you just want to test the nic driver in it |
| 10:19.19 | litage | dli: true. i'll try 2.6.14 now |
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| 10:19.35 | bibe | litage : I use it and it was easy to compile it |
| 10:19.55 | litage | dli: actually, i can't use 2.6.14 cuz sarge doesn't have yaird |
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| 10:20.35 | dli | litage, what so ever, at least you can port the driver from it into your kernel of choice |
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| 10:21.44 | litage | dli: so you're saying i should upgrade to etch and install yaird to see if the NIC works in 2.6.14? |
| 10:22.14 | dli | litage you use whatever works |
| 10:22.45 | dli | litage it's quite stupid to me, if you just want to fix the old broken kernel driver |
| 10:22.50 | bibe | add unstable repositories, _download_ and unpack linux-image-2.6.14-1-<your_architecture_here>, apt-get install linux-source-2.6.14, cd /usr/src, tar jxf linux-source-2.6.14.tar.bz2, cd linux-source-2.6.14, cp /path/to/boot/config-2.6.14-1-<your_architecture_here>, make-kpkg clean, make-kpkg --append-to-version "-nictest" --revision "2.6.14-1" --initrd kernel_image, cd .., dpkg -i kernel-image....deb |
| 10:22.53 | pabs3 | jan__: did you try the nvidia one liner instead: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
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| 10:23.05 | litage | dli: what's stupid? |
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| 10:23.19 | bibe | dli : read my previous message |
| 10:23.20 | dli | litage, also, educate me, why 2.6.14 can not work with sarge? |
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| 10:23.33 | litage | dli: yaird isn't available for sarge |
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| 10:24.05 | liable | litage: you can compile it.. |
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| 10:24.09 | dorto | dpkg says mediawiki is included in etch, i inlcude 'testing main' in apt source.list, still apt-cache search mediawiki doesn't show anything. i need to add anything else to the source.list? |
| 10:24.10 | dpkg | dorto: okay |
| 10:24.11 | dli | litage, what is yaird? the kernel is just the kernel |
| 10:24.17 | liable | litage: yaird is for initrd's |
| 10:24.19 | bibe | dli , litage : what won't work with sarge is a linux-image from sid, because yaird isn't available |
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| 10:24.43 | SimonRaven | dpkg: forget says mediawiki |
| 10:24.43 | dpkg | i forgot says mediawiki, SimonRaven |
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| 10:25.09 | dli | litage, you make-kpkg, straight forward and simple |
| 10:25.14 | SimonRaven | dorto: you're supposed to update first... |
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| 10:25.23 | pirving | apt-get install gl-117 |
| 10:25.25 | litage | dli: and what about yaird? |
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| 10:25.29 | resiak | !info mediawiki etch |
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| 10:25.38 | dpkg | mediawiki: (website engine for collaborative work), section web, is optional. Version: 1.4.12-1 (etch), Packaged size: 1896 kB, Installed size: 7124 kB |
| 10:25.40 | dorto | i apt-setup updated |
| 10:25.45 | SimonRaven | and here's the guy that was arguing about blocking ports and that you can "bypass" them |
| 10:25.48 | resiak | dorto: ^^^ it's in Etch. HTH HAND |
| 10:25.54 | dli | litage, if it's something about initrd, don't touch it, disable initrd in kernel |
| 10:25.59 | liable | litage: you dont need it... compile shit into the kernel and you dont need an initrd. |
| 10:26.08 | dorto | how is apt related to blocking ports? o.0 |
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| 10:26.26 | dli | litage, I don't know what yaird is (probably won't), and I'm running 2.6.14 |
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| 10:27.38 | dorto | i don't know if i need to add 'testing contrib' or 'unstable main' etc to sources.list to get mediawiki |
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| 10:27.39 | pirving | 2.6.12 here |
| 10:27.39 | litage | dli: is initrd needed to use LKMs? |
| 10:27.43 | pirving | older kernel |
| 10:27.45 | pirving | but it works |
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| 10:28.04 | SimonRaven | litage: what? |
| 10:28.07 | resiak | dorto: man sources.list |
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| 10:28.13 | SimonRaven | where did you get that idea? |
| 10:28.14 | dli | litage, jm_ is a knowledgible person, that's why i thought there was a point for you struggle like that |
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| 10:28.18 | dorto | okie |
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| 10:28.33 | litage | dli: yes i realize that. and he's been extremely helpful |
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| 10:28.53 | dli | litage, no, just disable initrd in kernel, make-kpkg, dpkg -i, update-grub, reboot |
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| 10:29.31 | SimonRaven | @initrd |
| 10:29.32 | dli | litage, he misled you here, or he found it's interesting to get it work in 2.6.11, but you don't have to be interested in, use whatever works |
| 10:29.32 | ravenbird | from memory, initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or $deity's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image |
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| 10:30.36 | jm_ | litage: you don't need to use initrd |
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| 10:31.10 | dli | jm_: you should have suggested him to try the newest kernel for driver problems with some new cards |
| 10:31.24 | SimonRaven | initrds are useful for root on raid, root on lvm, root on nfs, and other very specific things |
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| 10:31.34 | litage | jm_: before i disable initrd, i should first know what it is =) |
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| 10:31.40 | jm_ | dli: I did, but he said he doesn't want to use .14 on a production system |
| 10:31.46 | dli | llama32, indent foo.c |
| 10:31.55 | jm_ | litage: yeah, you might need it if you're using RAID for example |
| 10:32.12 | jm_ | litage: initrd.txt in kernel docs |
| 10:32.15 | litage | jm_: ah, i was planning on RAIDing my SATAs after fixing this problem |
| 10:32.35 | SimonRaven | litage: you can set root on non-raid, then raid the rest |
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| 10:32.52 | dli | jm_: any rationale of using 2.6.11 except the fact it's in sarge |
| 10:32.54 | litage | SimonRaven: that requires an additional HD though.. |
| 10:32.57 | jm_ | yeah just keep / on non-raid, no big deal |
| 10:33.06 | jm_ | dli: I would never touch it ;) |
| 10:33.20 | SimonRaven | .11 had issues... |
| 10:33.25 | litage | dli: only because it's in sarge |
| 10:33.28 | ircdevil | what is the simples bitmap drawing application out there? |
| 10:33.41 | ircdevil | gimp has grown completely un-intuitive |
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| 10:34.17 | SimonRaven | have fun. g'night. tansi |
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| 10:34.38 | litage | to roll my own 2.6.14, should i download the plain 2.6.14 or go for -686-smp? |
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| 10:34.41 | dli | litage, then, take my words, 2.6.14 is considered stable by kernel.org, and kernel.org thinks there are reasons to update 2.6.11 |
| 10:34.48 | litage | thanks for your help SimonRaven |
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| 10:35.07 | dli | litage, go to kernel.org, download the source |
| 10:35.33 | litage | dli: ah, so you don't suggest i get it from apt? |
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| 10:35.45 | dli | litage, no |
| 10:35.50 | litage | dli: why is that? |
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| 10:35.58 | RiverRat | I see your spam bots are back too. :( |
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| 10:36.12 | borco | hi |
| 10:36.31 | dli | litage, you don't have too, and you need to configure your kernel manually, since you have so many new hardwares |
| 10:36.39 | borco | any idea where can I get an image for a woody netinstall cd? |
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| 10:37.10 | dli | borco, debian.org, get debian or get a release |
| 10:37.13 | litage | dli: but the -686-smp package will already have 686- and smp-related things enabled, so i won't have to enable them |
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| 10:37.38 | Terminus | woody? what for? wouldn't sarge be a better choice? |
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| 10:38.10 | dli | litage if you want it work, follow my advice, go to kernel.org for the source, if you just want to play, use whatever sounds good to you |
| 10:38.21 | litage | dli: k |
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| 10:38.40 | litage | dli: should i grab 2.6.14 or 2.6.14.1? |
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| 10:38.48 | jm_ | tha latter |
| 10:38.50 | jm_ | the |
| 10:38.50 | dli | Terminus, oh, I thought he was asking for sarge |
| 10:39.02 | bibe | litage : did you read my message on how to compile sid 2.6.14 kernel in sarge? |
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| 10:39.45 | Metrics | Does anyone know where on kernel.org it said you should update from 2.6.11 |
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| 10:39.46 | dli | bibe: I still don't understand, what's special with 2.6.14? isn't the compiling the same as 2.6.13? |
| 10:39.52 | litage | bibe: sorry, i don't recall that msg |
| 10:39.56 | Terminus | dli, good thing he didn't ask for potato. :p |
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| 10:40.10 | litage | mmmm potato. gahhhhh</homer drool> |
| 10:40.31 | dli | Metrics, no, I said that. I just mean the fact they release 2.6.12 as stable |
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| 10:40.45 | Metrics | Ahh, okay. |
| 10:40.48 | dli | Metrics, s/release/released/g |
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| 10:41.20 | bibe | add unstable repositories, _download_ and unpack linux-image-2.6.14-1-<your_architecture_here>, apt-get install linux-source-2.6.14, cd /usr/src, tar jxf linux-source-2.6.14.tar.bz2, cd linux-source-2.6.14, cp /path/to/boot/config-2.6.14-1-<your_architecture_here>, make-kpkg clean, make-kpkg --append-to-version "-nictest" --revision "2.6.14-1" --initrd kernel_image, cd .., dpkg -i kernel-image....deb |
| 10:41.23 | dli | Terminus, I bet he never heard it |
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| 10:42.02 | bibe | dli : 2.6.14 introduced a substantial change in managing wireless NICs, for instance |
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| 10:42.21 | Terminus | borco, sarge is the current stable now so unless you have any reason to use woody, i suggest you get sarge instead. |
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| 10:42.33 | dli | bibe, but my ipw2200 is still not in :( and what this has to do with compiling it? |
| 10:42.36 | liable | yeah, gave me a hard time getting mine to work.. :P |
| 10:42.50 | bibe | dli : yes, it's in |
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| 10:43.12 | dli | bibe: you sure? I will check again |
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| 10:43.54 | dli | liable, I have a debian, and I just get 2.6.14 from kernel.org, didn't notice any change at all, it just works |
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| 10:44.22 | dli | liable, that's why I got totally shocked hearing people single out 2.6.14 |
| 10:44.28 | bibe | dli : I am running on a 2.6.14.1 kernel using ipw2200. I only use more recent versions from unstable ieee80211-source and ipw2200-source packages. But ipw2200 support is finally in |
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| 10:45.12 | dli | bibe: make menuconfig to check |
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| 10:45.28 | dli | bibe: I have ipw2200, but not from kernel :( |
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| 10:45.31 | bibe | dli : and, of course, kernel compiling hasn't changed |
| 10:45.35 | spo0nman | hmm can anyone pin point a single point of difference between the RAID on Dell servers and HP servers? |
| 10:45.36 | litage | bibe: why would i download and unpack linux-image-2.6.14.1-ARCH and then install linux-source-2.6.14? |
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| 10:45.50 | dli | bibe: only in 2.6.14.1 ? because I'm running 2.6.14 |
| 10:45.55 | litage | spo0nman: that's a pretty ambiguous question |
| 10:45.58 | bibe | dli : you'll have ipw2200 once you have ieee80211 subsystem enabled |
| 10:46.26 | litage | spo0nman: not all Dell machines use the same raid hardware, and same with HP |
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| 10:47.01 | dli | bibe, it's in network devices -> wireless lan? |
| 10:47.06 | bibe | litage : it's just to have sid's config, which enables almost everything as a module. If you will make menuconfig by yourself, skip that package |
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| 10:47.13 | bibe | dli : just a moment |
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| 10:48.04 | LathropWells | Hello! :) - mplayer ~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf is missing - can it be replaced with any true type font? |
| 10:48.28 | dvsdude | LathropWells, yes |
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| 10:49.02 | LathropWells | Ah, ok - Thank You. - (klingon font it is then - silly grin) |
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| 10:49.06 | bibe | Device Drivers -> Network device support -> Wireless LAN (non-hamradio) |
| 10:49.08 | litage | dli: when you grab from kernel.org, do you apply the debian patches? |
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| 10:49.15 | bibe | dli ^^^ |
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| 10:49.40 | dli | litage, no, applying patches is too much for n00bs, so I don't |
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| 10:49.45 | dorto | couldnot find mediawiki; anyone knows what line i need to add to my sources.list to install mediawiki in debian etch distro? |
| 10:49.55 | dli | bibe: I'm there, but no ipw2200 in sight |
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| 10:50.44 | litage | dli: shwa? |
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| 10:51.07 | bibe | dli : did you enable Networking -> Generic IEEE 802.11 Networking Stack |
| 10:51.10 | dli | litage, what is shwa? never heard:( |
| 10:51.17 | dvsdude | just a quick totally off topic question, i have download mp3 and the KBps jumps all over the place but only on some mp3 is this done intentionally?? any feed back appriciated |
| 10:51.44 | litage | dli: "shwa" is like "say what?" IE: somewhat confused by your last statement |
| 10:52.26 | dli | litage no, I just use whatever from kernel.org |
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| 10:52.43 | litage | dli: any reason in particular for not applying the debian patches? |
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| 10:53.15 | dli | litage, no idea :( |
| 10:53.23 | Guerin | dli: you're too n00b to apply patches, but you use kernel.org kernels instead of debian kernels? |
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| 10:53.32 | Guerin | !tahwtda |
| 10:53.32 | dpkg | There's a Hard Way To Do Anything |
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| 10:54.31 | bibe | dli : enabling Networking -> Generic IEEE 802.11 Networking Stack and going into Device Drivers -> Network device support -> Wireless LAN (non-hamradio) shows Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG and 2915ABG Network Connection (NEW) |
| 10:54.32 | dli | bibe: yes, it's M for Generic IEEE 802.11 Networking Stack |
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| 10:55.03 | resiak | dvsdude: They are variable bit rate. yes. |
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| 10:55.48 | dli | bibe: I see, that's great. I have to set it as Y for Generic IEEE802.11 instead of M |
| 10:55.48 | dvsdude | resiak, cheers just reading about variable and constant rates at mo |
| 10:55.58 | dli | bibe: thanks a lot :) |
| 10:56.07 | KSergio | Hello. Im trying to use sshfs, which uses FUSE. I got this error message: fusermount: failed to open /dev/fuse: No such file or directory |
| 10:56.17 | dli | bibe: does the new driver requires firmware? |
| 10:56.23 | bibe | dli : no problem. And remember to download and install the right firmware |
| 10:56.38 | KSergio | is it up to me to create /dev/fuse? (and.. how :() |
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| 10:56.59 | litage | dli: in which section of ``make menuconfig'' do i disable initrd? |
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| 10:57.05 | dli | bibe: okay, since I'm testing, why not upgrade to 2.6.14.1 :) |
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| 10:57.33 | dli | litage, just make sure the box is empty, hit 'N' |
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| 10:57.43 | litage | dli: right, but where's the box? :) |
| 10:57.47 | bibe | dli : I have .debs for kernel-image, ieee80211, ipw2200 and hostap modules, if you want |
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| 10:57.53 | vladkao | 2.6.14 has problems with initrd in debian |
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| 10:58.06 | bibe | vladkao : sure? |
| 10:58.18 | vladkao | yup |
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| 10:58.35 | dli | bibe: no, I'm running gentoo |
| 10:58.48 | dli | bibe: and we have different hardwares |
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| 10:59.13 | Noid | vladkao: which ones? |
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| 10:59.50 | litage | dli: the machine's got a P4. for the processor family, should i select 6x86 or Pentium4? |
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| 11:00.13 | dli | litage, of course, p4 |
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| 11:00.32 | litage | dli: just wanted to make sure. i don't want to make a silly mistake like that and have to recompile again |
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| 11:01.32 | dli | litage right, you'd better read help and ask, instead of struggling with kernel panic |
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| 11:02.14 | l3m | i have a weird problem..sometimes X decides fonts are bigger or smaller; that is, sometimes a fontsize of e.g. 12 is nicely readable, but then after the next reboot it's a lot bigger even though it's still fontsize 12..??? any ideas what the problem could be, and how to solve it? ( debian sid xorg ) |
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| 11:03.35 | bibe | l3m : compare two Xorg.0.log from different situations. They should have different DPIs: set that using 'startx -- -dpi 75' or using gdm or kdm or xdm |
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| 11:04.26 | l3m | bibe: ok thanks |
| 11:04.27 | litage | dli: i don't need CPU frequency scaling, right? |
| 11:04.32 | bibe | l3m : no problem |
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| 11:05.15 | bibe | litage : are you running debian on a laptop? |
| 11:05.20 | litage | bibe: no |
| 11:05.48 | bibe | litage : probably your cpu doesn't even support frequency scaling, so disable it |
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| 11:07.17 | dli | bibe: standard p4 doesn't do cpu speed scaling? |
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| 11:07.55 | jan_ | no it doesn't |
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| 11:08.08 | bibe | dli : I don't think so |
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| 11:08.57 | dli | bibe: I thought it was standard for p4 :) |
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| 11:09.15 | ircleuser | hello |
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| 11:09.17 | omry|work | hi. I created and installed a kernel package with make-kpkg. and it seems that /usr/include/linux still contains headers from the previous installation. that that normal? |
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| 11:09.24 | jm_ | yes |
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| 11:10.24 | omry|work | jm_, symlinking is a good idea? |
| 11:10.29 | bibe | dli : I'm not sure |
| 11:10.40 | jm_ | omry|work: no! |
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| 11:11.49 | omry|work | jm_, what is the standard way to making sure the correct linux headers gets into the include path? |
| 11:12.15 | jm_ | omry|work: apt-get install linux-kernel-headers |
| 11:12.19 | tzafrir_laptop | for kernel space or user space? |
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| 11:12.33 | tzafrir_laptop | kernel-headers-`uname -r` |
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| 11:13.37 | omry|work | tzafrir_laptop, jm_, but I built my own kernel. aren't my headers the most appropriate. |
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| 11:13.39 | omry|work | ? |
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| 11:14.15 | wubo | I want to kown how udev control the writing to the Windows partition, I update the udev today, But I found the file "fstab umask=000" wasn't useful?? |
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| 11:14.38 | ircleuser | how con i change the local dns configuration? dns should return my ip and not "localhost.localdomain" |
| 11:14.48 | litage | dli: so to disable initrd, i ensure that "RAM disk support" is disabled? |
| 11:14.58 | blondie | ircleuser: what returns localhost.localdomain? |
| 11:15.08 | dli | litage, disable it |
| 11:15.18 | jm_ | litage: no |
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| 11:15.30 | litage | jm_: ? |
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| 11:17.01 | vladkao | read this about initrd http://www.howtoforge.com/howto_linux_kernel_2.6_compile_debian#comment-321 |
| 11:17.05 | wubo | I think the latest udev brings me many troubles.... |
| 11:17.12 | vladkao | and mind you, yaird didn't work :-) |
| 11:17.13 | ircleuser | i try to run a programm, the errormessage is: |
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| 11:17.28 | ircleuser | i try to run a programm, the errormessage is: |
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| 11:18.04 | imex | wow |
| 11:18.13 | imex | i finally got Xchat to work |
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| 11:18.39 | jm_ | litage: ! |
| 11:18.58 | ircleuser | a programm asks for identification dns. the dns name is localhost.localdomain |
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| 11:19.08 | litage | jm_: i'm compiling 2.6.14 and don't want to have to use yaird, which means i have to disable initrd, no? |
| 11:19.18 | ircleuser | and i have configured as name my ip |
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| 11:20.17 | imex | just a quick question on libs, how to install the most commonly used libs needed, since everytime i installed some packages, the result is either 1 or 100 |
| 11:21.00 | Ae|-_GoD | am trying, to do an rm -rf * into my iPod /mnt/win2/ but I got this error, since yesterday (rm: cannot remove directory `win2//.Trash-jesus/iPod_Control/iTunes': Read-only file system) any ideas? |
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| 11:21.07 | liable | you dont actually need to disable it, just make sure the neccessary stuff is compiled in, not as modules.. |
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| 11:21.16 | litage | dli: should i use make-kpkg inside fakeroot? |
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| 11:21.36 | jm_ | litage: no, see what liable said |
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| 11:22.27 | bibe | litage : no need to disable initrd to avoid using yaird |
| 11:22.40 | dli | litage, follow liable, double check you have needed drivers as built-in |
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| 11:23.03 | dli | !yaird |
| 11:23.07 | bibe | simply use mkinitrd |
| 11:23.35 | dli | bibe why use mkinitrd:( we don't need it |
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| 11:24.52 | bibe | dli : if he was using it, he can continue using it, without having to "migrate" to yaird. If he doesn't want an initrd at all, _then_ he can disable it |
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| 11:25.25 | litage | hrmm, why can't i build sata and ahci sata into the kernel? menuconfig says it can only be a module |
| 11:25.34 | dli | bibe, for n00b, disabling it is the choice. I still don't know how to make initrd with make-kpkg |
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| 11:26.48 | cheal | hm, how come was linux-2.6 2.6.14-2 accepted but is still in NEW? |
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| 11:26.53 | jm_ | litage: mark Serial SATA support as * |
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| 11:27.01 | davi__ | The filters live in the domain of a handler, of a module or the full apache2 ?. I think they lives in the domain of a module. Right? |
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| 11:27.21 | bibe | dli : --initrd ? |
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| 11:27.56 | borco | sorry for asking again - does anybody know where can I find the old debian release - the woody release? |
| 11:27.56 | dli | bibe: always avoided it, after getting kernel panic with --initrd |
| 11:28.17 | bibe | dli : and initrd isn't created by make-kpkg, but by dpkg -i (in the postinst scripts, I guess) |
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| 11:29.10 | bibe | dli : you could have missed grub/lilo update, adding the line initrd /boot/initrd-... |
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| 11:29.24 | pabs3 | cheal: new binary packages go through new, and the ftp-masters assistants haven't reviewed the package yet |
| 11:29.44 | jm_ | borco: on FTP mirrors |
| 11:29.45 | dli | bibe, I think grub part is set by update-grub |
| 11:29.59 | jm_ | for grub see man kernel-pkg.conf |
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| 11:30.10 | dorto | any recommendations for a battery monitor for laptop in debian? it would be great if it could be added to panel as an applet |
| 11:30.34 | dorto | simple utility easy-to-use would be ok |
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| 11:30.47 | bibe | dorto : klaptopdaemon for kde |
| 11:30.49 | dli | dorto, gnome has a power applet |
| 11:30.54 | cheal | pabs3: you say that the ftp-masters haven't reviewed the package yet, but the source package was already accepted |
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| 11:30.57 | jm_ | dorto: apt-cache search battery monitor |
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| 11:31.18 | dorto | mine is gnome; will search in the applets |
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| 11:31.28 | wubo | I update the latest udev, and I need me to purge the hotplug, But I found I can't make the hardware such as potable storage disk hotplug??!! |
| 11:31.30 | dorto | apt-cache returned a big list :P |
| 11:31.31 | pabs3 | cheal: it is? |
| 11:31.35 | bibe | dorto : jm_ pointed out the question |
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| 11:31.57 | borco | jm_: do you know where can I find a netinstall cd for woody? |
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| 11:32.11 | Tortel | *coughsargecough* |
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| 11:32.30 | jm_ | borco: there were no official netinstall images for Woody, why do you want that? |
| 11:32.31 | dorto | "Can't access ACPI events" i need to install acpi subsystem? |
| 11:32.38 | pabs3 | cheal: anyway, I don't see any linux packages in new: http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html |
| 11:32.42 | dorto | i got this when trying to add gnome applet |
| 11:32.43 | cheal | pabs3: see http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-2.6.html |
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| 11:32.54 | pabs3 | cheal: oops |
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| 11:33.02 | borco | jm_: we have to test something on a woody install and I didn't want to make floppies ... |
| 11:33.03 | bibe | dorto : gnome applet is battstat |
| 11:33.06 | liable | wubo: check bts, file a bug |
| 11:33.11 | cheal | pabs3: I do... |
| 11:33.23 | pabs3 | yeah, hence the oops |
| 11:33.40 | liable | dorto: you have acpid installed? |
| 11:33.41 | dorto | bibe: so should i install acpi and acpid or one of them would suffice? apt-cache shows those two |
| 11:33.45 | dorto | no |
| 11:33.56 | dorto | only acpid is needed? not acpi? |
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| 11:34.00 | jm_ | borco: http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/debian-minicd/woody/ http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/debian-netinst/steve/old/ |
| 11:34.00 | litage | dli, jm_: the only things that *really* need to be built for me in are these, right?: sata, ahci, e1000 |
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| 11:34.10 | jm_ | litage: no, make e1000 as module |
| 11:34.14 | bibe | dorto : I'd try acpi |
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| 11:34.21 | litage | jm_: okay. why's that? |
| 11:34.21 | dorto | k |
| 11:34.29 | liable | dorto: what kernel? acpi should be enabled if its 2.6 |
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| 11:34.34 | bibe | dorto : if it doesn't work alone, install also acpid |
| 11:34.37 | jm_ | litage: easier to test other options if it doesn't work |
| 11:34.44 | dorto | liable: mine is 2.6 |
| 11:34.51 | dorto | bibe, k |
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| 11:35.03 | litage | jm_: should i set all 1000mbit drivers to module? |
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| 11:35.36 | bibe | dorto : according to apt-cache show acpi, it should suffice. It's used to read ACPI values |
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| 11:35.46 | dli | litage, file systems |
| 11:35.50 | dorto | bibe, thx a lot |
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| 11:35.55 | bibe | dorto : np |
| 11:35.55 | borco | jm_: thanx. |
| 11:36.05 | sanoj | vladkao: What did you say about yaird not working? I am quite interested as maintainer of that package |
| 11:36.14 | dli | litage, network options |
| 11:36.14 | litage | dli: ah yes. done |
| 11:36.14 | liable | litage: plus ext2/3 fs, and i think a codepage (850) usually |
| 11:36.33 | litage | dli: any networking options in particular? |
| 11:36.41 | pabs3 | cheal: the one in new is a sparc package, perhaps the source has already been accepted. anyway, I dunno what the deal is, perhaps ask gannef? |
| 11:36.55 | litage | liable: why codepage? |
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| 11:37.14 | dli | litage, at least make sure you have the default network support |
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| 11:37.39 | Haxor- | wer can i download java for my debain with firefox |
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| 11:38.01 | cheal | !tell Haxor- about install java |
| 11:38.10 | jm_ | litage: no, just what you need |
| 11:38.20 | Shadur | Haxor-: install java-package and use make-jpkg on the download from sun or blackdown |
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| 11:38.52 | vladkao | sanoj: it says "2.6.14" unsupported version, or so |
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| 11:39.11 | vladkao | anyway, it didn't work from make-kpkg |
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| 11:39.35 | cheal | pabs3: hum, I do see that this entry doesn't have a source waiting approval. I didn't know binary packages could wait there. I'm still not sure why it happens in this case, but thanks |
| 11:39.45 | sanoj | vladkao: Please elaborate - I don't understand your short version of the story... |
| 11:39.53 | Haxor- | shadur, how can i apt-get the java-package? wats d package name? |
| 11:40.06 | pabs3 | Haxor-: java-package |
| 11:40.06 | RichiH | !tell Haxor- about java |
| 11:40.12 | Guerin | Haxor-: why don't you Haxor- it up until you find out |
| 11:40.15 | liable | litage: actually, ignore me, codepage is neccessary to be compiled in. |
| 11:40.21 | ikram | i need a help |
| 11:40.22 | pabs3 | hehe |
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| 11:40.30 | RichiH | !ask |
| 11:40.30 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 11:40.30 | stelki | Where do I define my apache2's root dir? I looked through the apache2-config but couldnt seem to find it |
| 11:40.34 | liable | litage: *isnt* |
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| 11:40.36 | litage | liable: really? all of the codepages i see are set as modules |
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| 11:40.41 | litage | liable: ah :) |
| 11:40.43 | Guerin | stelki: look harder |
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| 11:40.52 | litage | liable: so for the record, it's *OKAY* to have codepages as modules? :) |
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| 11:40.53 | stelki | Guerin, That is not a valid answer. |
| 11:40.55 | ikram | i want to setup an email server |
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| 11:41.08 | Guerin | stelki: yes, it is, because the answer IS in there. |
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| 11:41.09 | liable | litage: yeah |
| 11:41.14 | Guerin | stelki: rgrep DocumentRoot /etc/apache2 |
| 11:41.24 | sanoj | vladkao: I am interested in what works and what not with yaird. |
| 11:41.26 | litage | ikram: http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ |
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| 11:41.41 | stelki | Guerin, thank you, that was what I needed. |
| 11:41.59 | sanoj | vladkao: Obviously I'd prefer everything working with yaird, but also just documenting properly what does not is relevant: |
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| 11:42.14 | litage | do i just run ``make-kpkg'' next? |
| 11:42.16 | ghnsxns | how do i make a basic debian sys ready to acces it with putty? |
| 11:42.17 | pabs3 | sanoj: perhaps the bug reports on yaird? bugs.debian.org/yaird? |
| 11:42.24 | dorto | i want to mount an iso file(debian sarge iso files) on a web share path permanently; i tried to put 'mount -o loop debxxxxx.iso /var/www/etcetc' in /etc/bash.bashrc and sourced it in /etc/profile |
| 11:42.27 | petemc | ghnsxns: install ssh |
| 11:42.29 | sanoj | vladkao: wiki.debian.org/InitrdReplacementOptions |
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| 11:42.41 | dorto | but when debian boots i get the error: mount: only root can do that error? |
| 11:42.48 | sanoj | pabs3: I am maintainer of yaird so I know ;-) |
| 11:42.48 | jm_ | dorto: use fstab instead |
| 11:42.53 | liable | sarge installs sshd by default iirc |
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| 11:42.56 | bibe | dorto : use /etc/fstab |
| 11:42.57 | sanoj | pabs3: But thanks anyway! |
| 11:43.04 | dorto | jm_: how to mount iso files in fstab? |
| 11:43.07 | pabs3 | sanoj: oops, sorry :) |
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| 11:43.14 | jm_ | dorto: just use loop in options |
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| 11:43.21 | pabs3 | sanoj: #debian is hard to follow sometimes |
| 11:43.23 | sanoj | pabs3: No problem. How could you possibly know that :-) |
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| 11:43.36 | sanoj | pabs3: Same here. I am not an IRC guy really... |
| 11:43.47 | dorto | k, let me try |
| 11:43.52 | resiak | dorto: man fstab |
| 11:44.08 | vladkao | sanoj: dist-upgrade to sid, make-kpkg --initrd on 2.6.14 (linux-source-2.6.14 from debian repository) and it fails ... let me check the error |
| 11:44.17 | resiak | sanoj: Why does yaird use HTML::Template rather than some saner templating tool? |
| 11:44.21 | bibe | dorto: /path/to/debian.iso /var/www/etcetc auto loop 0 0 |
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| 11:44.29 | wubo | But if you update to the latest udev,the fstab can't control the writing right to some a partition.... |
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| 11:44.52 | sanoj | resiak: Upstream choice of more (or at least different) flexibility in config files |
| 11:45.01 | Guerin | eew |
| 11:45.17 | Guerin | who wants html config files? |
| 11:45.23 | sanoj | resiak: Have a look at /etc/yaird/Default.conf and you will understand (and possibly run away screaming ;-) ) |
| 11:45.24 | omry|work | I built kernel 2.6.14.1 using make-kpkg. how do I get the approprtiate headers in /usr/include ? (using etch). |
| 11:45.30 | resiak | sanoj: But ... HTML::Template rather than Template::Toolkit? I mean, come on, the configuration isn't even XML, and HTML::T's syntax is horrific. |
| 11:45.42 | sanoj | vladkao: Yes, please find the error |
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| 11:46.07 | dorto | bibe: thx |
| 11:46.07 | resiak | sanoj: I have looked. I'm actively considering sitting down tonight and making it saner, but I suspect that any such patch would be rejected :) |
| 11:46.27 | pabs3 | ugghh, jpeg patents http://lwn.net/Articles/158077/ |
| 11:46.30 | ircdevil | someone point me to a stack of priceless pictures - i am bored |
| 11:46.35 | sanoj | resiak: Please bring this up with upstream - sounds like you have valuable input: File a wishlist bugreport about it - upstream tracks BTS too |
| 11:46.38 | resiak | ircdevil: http://localhost/ |
| 11:46.41 | litage | ircdevil: bash.org is even better |
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| 11:47.00 | sanoj | resiak: I don't think sane patches will be rejected. Upstream is in no way anal IMHO |
| 11:47.01 | resiak | sanoj: I will do later on. I just pounced on you because I thought you might have a one-word answer that would make the whole thing go away. |
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| 11:47.39 | sanoj | resiak: "I do eyes. I just do eyes..." |
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| 11:47.53 | ircdevil | litage: bash is read |
| 11:48.04 | ircdevil | resiak: all my stuff is at some other box |
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| 11:48.11 | liable | ircdevil: loljesus? |
| 11:48.13 | sanoj | resiak: (reference to Bladerunner - if you didn't recognize already) |
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| 11:48.32 | litage | dli: do i need to run ``make-kpkg kernel-image'' or can i just run ``make-kpkg''? |
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| 11:49.20 | __YENA__ | someone pls could hel me with aptitude ? |
| 11:49.30 | liable | kernel_image.. _ |
| 11:49.32 | litage | __YENA__: you'll need to ask a specific question |
| 11:49.38 | __YENA__ | ok thanks ... |
| 11:49.41 | dli | litage, "make-kpkg kernel-image" |
| 11:49.47 | litage | thanks. what does just ``make-kpkg'' do by itself? |
| 11:49.47 | __YENA__ | i have a debian server with Qmail |
| 11:49.50 | liable | _ |
| 11:49.59 | ircdevil | liable: hmmm - thats not funny. tries to be, but fails (like so many things) |
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| 11:50.14 | sanoj | resiak: A thing that annoys me with current yaird config approach is no support for hooks. As in config.d subdirs scanned for add-on modules from separate plugin packages... |
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| 11:50.19 | __YENA__ | now i wont to install Mysql 4.1 but aptitude install also exim4 |
| 11:50.22 | vladkao | sanoj: that will take longer than I thought, need to recompile :-) |
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| 11:50.30 | sanoj | resiak: ...would template toolkit solve that? |
| 11:50.30 | liable | ircdevil: depends on your sense of humour i guess.. |
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| 11:50.34 | __YENA__ | i wont to exclude exim4 .. it is possible |
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| 11:50.41 | idealbsd | discover stick to removed hardware device not new installed one, how to correct it? |
| 11:50.41 | bibe | __YENA__ : install another MTA |
| 11:50.42 | sanoj | vladkao: Recompile?!? |
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| 11:50.59 | vladkao | sanoj: well, make-kpkg |
| 11:50.59 | sanoj | vladkao: Recompile yaird or kernel? |
| 11:51.03 | vladkao | kernel |
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| 11:51.26 | sanoj | vladkao: ouch. Why? You threw out the bug-triggering kernel package? |
| 11:51.33 | __YENA__ | i'm expert only in Qmail ... can i force the installation of mysql ? like rpm --nodeps ? |
| 11:51.36 | Guerin | there should be a basic config-file lib |
| 11:51.51 | Guerin | not like those kludgey 'one config format for all' thing |
| 11:52.07 | Guerin | just a bunch of code which enables you to trivially implement such things |
| 11:52.09 | ircdevil | liable: i like these price-less pix. one bridge: 234 mio $. one bottle of booze 7 $. one digital camera 100 $. see your friend fall of the bridge: priceless |
| 11:52.17 | bibe | __YENA__ : mysql-server needs an MTA to send "system" mails, and the default one for Debian is exim4. You should intstruct your system that qmail already provided MTA metapackage |
| 11:52.20 | fooz | Guerin, isn't that what yacc and lex are? |
| 11:52.23 | sanoj | __YENA__: Install a stupid little MTA like nullmail or something as a dummy |
| 11:52.34 | bibe | __YENA__ : ask here for how to |
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| 11:53.12 | Guerin | ircdevil: computer: $2000. internet connection: $25/mo. Making a dickhead of yourself on an unrelated irc channel asking for boring pics that are trivially findable on images.google.com: priceless. |
| 11:53.15 | sanoj | __YENA__: ...and then make sure to disable that installed dummy MTA, off course, to not interfere with your locally built qmail setup |
| 11:53.20 | imex | in package wise should do update first or upgrade first? |
| 11:53.24 | litage | dli, liable, bibe: you guys've been awesome. i really appreciate your help. time to head home and leave the kernel to compile. adios! |
| 11:53.26 | Guerin | fooz: i suppose so. |
| 11:53.32 | __YENA__ | :-) Thankss now i try ti install nullmail with aptitude ... |
| 11:53.40 | vladkao | sanoj: recompiled without initrd (and it works...) btw, it works if I run mkinitrd on the compiled kernel too :-) |
| 11:54.18 | sanoj | vladkao: I do not understand. I am interested in problems with yaird. Now you _avoid_ yaird? |
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| 11:54.54 | Guerin | __YENA__: the real way to do this is to use the qmail-src package; or to use equivs to make a dummy. |
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| 11:54.54 | dorto | how to set options for sleepd once it has been started(at boot time)? there seems to be no config file for it |
| 11:55.05 | sanoj | vladkao: I am still quite interested in what errors occured using yaird. |
| 11:55.11 | vladkao | sanoj: well, I've installed yaird, but the make script said it can't use it, so I threw it away |
| 11:55.12 | Guerin | __YENA__: of course, the best option would be to just NOT USE QMAIL. |
| 11:55.33 | sanoj | Guerin (and __YENA__): I agree. |
| 11:55.49 | sanoj | vladkao: What make script? |
| 11:55.56 | __YENA__ | why Guerin, i think Qmail is a fantastic MTA |
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| 11:56.11 | Guerin | __YENA__: then you clearly haven't used any others. |
| 11:56.16 | idealbsd | discover stick to removed hardware device not new installed one, how to correct it and i can't find some value information in /lib/discover or /etc/discov*? |
| 11:56.26 | Guerin | and probably know nothing about how internet mail is supposed to work |
| 11:56.39 | sanoj | __YENA__: Suggestion was to install qmail as a deb to provide dependencies... |
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| 11:56.44 | BeFalou | hello |
| 11:56.44 | Guerin | or perhaps, like a certain dr. of math, you know, but disregard it |
| 11:56.57 | BeFalou | I'm doing a backport of kde-3.4.2 but kdemultimedia fails to compile (in Juk I think), here is the output: http://rafb.net/paste/results/lATcH434.html what's wrong? The error is too complex for me |
| 11:56.58 | __YENA__ | Thanks sanoj |
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| 11:57.23 | sanoj | __YENA__: but sure, I certainly recommend using postfix instead, but don't want a fight |
| 11:57.30 | __YENA__ | :-) |
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| 11:57.37 | imex | never mind |
| 11:57.40 | Guerin | just make sure you patch it |
| 11:57.42 | imex | back later |
| 11:57.51 | Guerin | for the love of all that is holy, don't triple the spam |
| 11:58.31 | Guerin | zimnyx: if you're insane eought to use reiser4 on /, you're insane enough to be able to move your / partition after install |
| 11:58.45 | omry|work | I built kernel 2.6.14.1 using make-kpkg. how do I get the approprtiate headers in /usr/include ? I am using etch, how safe would it be to install the kernel headers from sid? |
| 11:59.19 | vladkao | sanoj: the make-kpkg script |
| 11:59.29 | Guerin | s/eought/enough/ # this translation of Guerinese was brought to you by the letters B E E and R |
| 11:59.49 | vladkao | Guerin: :D |
| 11:59.49 | zimnyx | Guerin: i'd like to have option in installer |
| 11:59.55 | fooz | omry|work, to get kernel headers in /usr/include install linux-kernel-headers |
| 12:00.01 | Guerin | zimnyx: i'd like a pony |
| 12:00.02 | fooz | omry|work, do not put any other headers than those there |
| 12:00.11 | sanoj | vladkao: What distro? What version of kernel-package? It really at kernel build time told that yaird was not any use?!? |
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| 12:00.41 | vladkao | sanoj: yes, debian sid, dist-upgraded the same day |
| 12:00.55 | omry|work | fooz, I have linux-kernel-headers 2.6.13+0rc3-2, but I need 2.6.14 |
| 12:01.10 | sanoj | yaird needs a running kernel >= 2.6.8 and can only install kernels similarly recent |
| 12:01.12 | vladkao | sanoj: but I see yaird is now 0.11-11 |
| 12:01.12 | Guerin | vladkao: are you referring to the lack of a --yaird toggle in make-kpkg? |
| 12:01.19 | fooz | omry|work, your libc was not built with 2.6.14 headers. why do you need them in /usr/include? |
| 12:01.26 | Guerin | vladkao: like --initrd |
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| 12:01.40 | sanoj | Guerin: huh?!? |
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| 12:02.21 | vladkao | Guerin: nope, make-kpg knows about yaird |
| 12:02.28 | Guerin | ok. |
| 12:02.30 | sanoj | Just to put things straight: make-kpkg --initrd means "try to attach som initial ramdisk to this kernel on boot" |
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| 12:02.46 | idealbsd | any give some information about discover how to find hardware during startup in debian? discover stick to and just load modules of removed hardware in my debian/sid wiht 2.6.14 |
| 12:02.58 | omry|work | fooz, I need them there to build a userspace lib that needs the headers of 2.6.14. |
| 12:03.11 | sanoj | --initrd does _not_ mean "please support 2.4-style cramfs initial ramdisk" |
| 12:03.24 | sanoj | ...it is more generic than that |
| 12:03.24 | omry|work | fooz, should I just point the build to /usr/src/linux/include ? |
| 12:03.24 | Guerin | sanoj: oh, no. |
| 12:03.35 | Guerin | i understand that |
| 12:03.37 | fooz | omry|work, sure, you can do that |
| 12:03.41 | fooz | omry|work, did you use make-kpkg? |
| 12:03.41 | sanoj | Guerin: ok |
| 12:03.49 | omry|work | fooz, I did. |
| 12:04.10 | fooz | omry|work, then it should've made a kernel-headers-xxx package (different from the linux-kernel-headers package which you shouldn't change) |
| 12:04.25 | fooz | omry|work, if so, you can install that and point it where it puts that one |
| 12:04.41 | liable | /usr/src/linux-2.6.14/include/linux.. |
| 12:04.46 | sanoj | initramfs is the new 2.6-style initial ramdisk format (a cpio archive). So initramfs is some initrd. |
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| 12:06.20 | sanoj | vladkao: Sorry - I still do not have enough clues to understand what error occurred for you regarding yaird |
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| 12:06.25 | omry|work | fooz, aha. I knew there had to be a better way. I`ll re-run make-kpkg with kernel_headers target. thanks. |
| 12:06.26 | afabian | Hi. I just added hdc=ide-scsi and hdd=ide-scsi for my CD and DVD drives, and now... I can't find them. hdc and hdd don't work.. nor sr0 and sr1, or scd0 and scd1, and cdrecord -scanbus doesn't show them. |
| 12:06.34 | Guerin | idealbsd: can you rephrase so we have some idea what you're on about? |
| 12:06.36 | afabian | Can anyone help me.. find them? |
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| 12:06.50 | fooz | i just skip make-kpkg because it is satan |
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| 12:07.39 | fooz | afabian, are you using linux 2.6? |
| 12:07.43 | sanoj | fooz: Then make sure to skip official kernels too. And debian-installer... |
| 12:07.50 | omry|work | fooz, what would be the right way to intall the headers directly? |
| 12:07.54 | fooz | sanoj, i do because those are satan |
| 12:08.00 | fooz | omry|work, you don't |
| 12:08.27 | sanoj | fooz: Are, makes sense. So you do not run Debian? Then what are you doing here (except warning us about the beast)? |
| 12:08.27 | fooz | omry|work, you point the app you're building at your current running kernel's sources, just like you said |
| 12:08.37 | fooz | sanoj, i run debian |
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| 12:08.55 | Guerin | make-kpkg is lovely |
| 12:08.55 | sanoj | fooz: whatever :-) |
| 12:09.03 | omry|work | fooz, I see. thanks. |
| 12:09.25 | Guerin | only people who wish they were running slackware wouldn't use it |
| 12:09.25 | afabian | fooz, no, it's 2.4.27 |
| 12:09.25 | sanoj | Guerin: ...but certainly can be tricky sometimes |
| 12:09.25 | fooz | omry|work, if it really is kernel dependent, anyway. most apps depend on libc more than the kernel, and so libc should have the kernel IT was built with in /usr/include |
| 12:09.25 | Guerin | </troll> |
| 12:09.25 | idealbsd | Guerin, i changed some hardware of my debian box and discover just load modules of removed one not the new, i must modprobe modules by hand and rmmod unwanted modules |
| 12:09.26 | vladkao | sanoj: ok, just wait some 20 more minutes and I'll tell you |
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| 12:09.35 | sanoj | vladkao: ok |
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| 12:09.42 | fooz | make-kpkg users are sheep |
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| 12:09.45 | fooz | oh well |
| 12:09.54 | liable | baaah |
| 12:09.58 | Guerin | idealbsd: ok. You can blacklist the old modules (/msg dpkg blacklist) and put the new in /etc/modules |
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| 12:10.08 | omry|work | fooz, it is kernel dependent. its a warpper to inotify. (which changes all the time) |
| 12:10.23 | Guerin | fooz: non-make-kpkg users are ... goats ... or antelopes, or something |
| 12:10.27 | sanoj | fooz: I am a happy sheep. Isn't sheep the opposite of Slackware-user? |
| 12:10.28 | vladkao | fooz: beeeh |
| 12:10.33 | fooz | i could see it if you were deploying a kernel to dozens of machines and had a package repository of your own |
| 12:10.52 | tzafrir_laptop | with make-kpkg: how do I generate a proper kernel-headers package? |
| 12:11.03 | Guerin | tzafrir_laptop: man make-kpkg |
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| 12:11.11 | fooz | if you have just one workstation, it's much too rude. it makes clean every time you use it. you're wasting electricity by rebuilding your kernel completely each time. |
| 12:11.17 | idealbsd | Guerin, i use udev with 2.6.14 and it seems that blacklist not work in /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/ |
| 12:11.18 | Guerin | tzafrir_laptop: i think you want 'binary', but check |
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| 12:11.30 | Guerin | idealbsd: oh god, udev. All bets are off. |
| 12:11.31 | fooz | it's like driving an SUV to the grocery store. |
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| 12:11.43 | idealbsd | Guerin, :) |
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| 12:11.50 | liable | idealbsd: hotplug is no more with udev.. |
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| 12:12.16 | idealbsd | liable, i know it |
| 12:12.20 | vladkao | fooz: you know, it's advisable to make clean even on vanilla kernels? |
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| 12:12.33 | liable | idealbsd: so why try and blacklist in hotplug? |
| 12:12.34 | fooz | advisable by who? enemies of make(1)? |
| 12:12.36 | tzafrir_laptop | Guerin, in a distro kernel-headers package there are symlinks to an arch independent (from 2.6.8-2-386 to 2.6.8-2) |
| 12:13.01 | fooz | the software knows what parts to rebuild and what parts not to. let it do its job. |
| 12:13.02 | sanoj | fooz: If cleaning in k-p is unnecessary then file a bugreport. I am confident about that work of Manoj_ |
| 12:13.02 | tzafrir_laptop | BTW: there is also discover to consider in blacklisting |
| 12:13.03 | Bigglesworth | I have a question, will Linux be able to see my wireless connection? |
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| 12:13.18 | liable | idealbsd: hotplug *should* have been removed if you have new udev. |
| 12:13.32 | Guerin | tzafrir_laptop: that shouldn't always be true; kernel-headers are arch-specific in that they rely on the source being configured |
| 12:13.34 | petemc | Bigglesworth: google for your wireless chipset + linux |
| 12:13.38 | fooz | sanoj, nah, it works fine for making kernels to be shipped to 109283019283 computers via a debian repository. i'm not filing a bug against it |
| 12:13.45 | Guerin | tzafrir_laptop: i might be wrong, but that's how I always understood it |
| 12:13.47 | Bigglesworth | Okay, thanks. |
| 12:13.48 | fooz | it does its job. people just don't understand its job |
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| 12:14.05 | tzafrir_laptop | right, but 2.6.8-2 is arch independent and contains much more |
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| 12:14.08 | idealbsd | liable, but some apps still has something in hotplug dirs like alsa-base |
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| 12:14.34 | tzafrir_laptop | Guerin, and 2.6.8-2-386 has symlinks into 2.6.8-2 |
| 12:14.39 | liable | idealbsd: i suggest you might want to read the bts for udev. |
| 12:14.46 | sanoj | fooz: Please do: kernel-package is _not_ aimed only at large distribution. I know for a fact - Manoj_ explaied that last night on #debian-kernel at OFTC |
| 12:14.54 | idealbsd | liable, ok thanks |
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| 12:16.05 | tzafrir_laptop | I'm having problem generating a kernel-headers package to build kernel-modules agains |
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| 12:16.23 | tzafrir_laptop | (on my build system) |
| 12:16.38 | jc_ | anybody uses radius ? |
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| 12:17.04 | sanoj | kernel-package is intended for personal builds as well as distributed ones. Manoj_ explicitly fight for that when the kernel team think only distributed in their (our) complaints about it |
| 12:17.17 | dorto | i am told that mediawiki is present in etch but i am not able to find it using apt-cache search |
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| 12:17.28 | dorto | anyother way to search for it? |
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| 12:17.38 | fooz | he can fight all he wants, i won't use it for that :P |
| 12:17.47 | sanoj | dorto: It is in! |
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| 12:18.07 | sanoj | dorto: I just open aptitude with no options and use "/" to search |
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| 12:18.26 | dorto | sanoj: you know where to find it? un 'testing' dir? |
| 12:18.27 | dorto | ok |
| 12:18.33 | dorto | will search in aptitude |
| 12:18.34 | sanoj | dorto: oops - sorry: I use sid, not sure it is in etch yet. |
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| 12:18.39 | idealbsd | i chroot to reinstall linux-image-2.6.14 and discover just want to resolve the discover problem, however the discover problem is still and bring new problem of grep and libpre.so.3, it's rather bad day |
| 12:18.40 | Guerin | dorto: it's there |
| 12:18.48 | Guerin | !info mediawiki etch |
| 12:18.53 | Guerin | or it was earlier today |
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| 12:19.11 | dorto | Guerin: yeah, dpkg told me mediawiki is in etch; i was not able to search it |
| 12:19.25 | dorto | just today i checked with dpkg |
| 12:19.30 | Guerin | dorto: either you're not running etch, or your mirror is out of date |
| 12:19.37 | dorto | i will search with aptitude |
| 12:19.38 | Guerin | dorto: find out which and rectify it |
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| 12:19.47 | sanoj | idealbsd: Are you talking about ramdisk tool wanting to discover stuff? |
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| 12:20.04 | dpkg | mediawiki: (website engine for collaborative work), section web, is optional. Version: 1.4.12-1 (etch), Packaged size: 1896 kB, Installed size: 7124 kB |
| 12:20.13 | dorto | Guerin: i have etch dvd images mounted on my server; i have added them in sources.list but i am not sure if i did it right |
| 12:20.14 | sanoj | idealbsd: I mean - is your problem related to _installing_ the kernel in a chroot? |
| 12:20.27 | Guerin | dorto: haha |
| 12:20.29 | vladkao | dorto: use the debian tools then |
| 12:20.58 | dorto | i put this: deb http://192.168.0.4/cd1 testing main contrib |
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| 12:21.02 | Guerin | dorto: etch hasn't been released. Those cds you have are a snapshot of whatever was in etch on whatever day the person who released them felt like releasing them. |
| 12:21.12 | dorto | same for cd2 |
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| 12:21.30 | sanoj | dorto: Not sure you can publish the DVD like that |
| 12:21.34 | dorto | Guerin: i meant the same |
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| 12:22.01 | nelf | k3b recently stopped working for my normal users - error message on startup is find: /dev/.static permission denied. The perms on this directory are drwx------ root.root |
| 12:22.10 | Guerin | dorto: so 1) they're not supportable by #debian; 2) things will probably break horribly if you use any packages from any other source with them; 3) they may or may not contain any given package |
| 12:22.15 | nelf | As far as I know, I haven't changed anything, nor reinstalled anything |
| 12:22.17 | idealbsd | sanoj, maybe i just want to told discover not to discover not existed hardware and load modules of them during startup, i don't think it related to chroot as i've used knoppix to do it many times |
| 12:22.36 | fooz | nelf, that's from udev. k3b is broken if it's trying to read every file in /dev |
| 12:22.58 | sanoj | idealbsd: discover and chroot is a bad mix if you don't know exactly what you are doing... |
| 12:22.58 | Guerin | dorto: this is regardless of whether you have the cds set up and mounted properly - read the doc for apt-cdrom to check |
| 12:23.19 | fooz | nelf, to work around it, remove udev or learn cdrecord |
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| 12:23.31 | sanoj | idealbsd: ...and knoppis != Debian - I believe their discover routines are different |
| 12:23.32 | ghnsxns | how can i update the package-list in tasksel? (cd-source) |
| 12:23.32 | Guerin | dorto: but the sane money says remove the cd lines from your sources.list, add a http mirror and dist-upgrade |
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| 12:23.41 | dorto | Guerin: i was wondering how i can find out if mediawiki is present in my distribution or not |
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| 12:23.51 | Guerin | ghnsxns: drop to a shell and do apt-get update? |
| 12:24.01 | RichiH | there are more and more bots |
| 12:24.02 | Guerin | dorto: apt-cache search mediawiki; |
| 12:24.03 | omry|work | fooz, how do you generally tell a standard "autogen;make;make install" build to use different linux headers directory than the ones in /usr/include/linux ? |
| 12:24.08 | dorto | Guerin: mini is a poor slow connection |
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| 12:24.18 | dorto | *mine |
| 12:24.19 | black_Nightmare | hey there |
| 12:24.34 | fooz | omry|work, with autoconf all bets are off; no two autoconf users hold the same clue |
| 12:24.34 | black_Nightmare | not to be dumb but just wondering..is there a 64bit version of debian or I'll have to look up another distro? |
| 12:24.42 | fooz | omry|work, try ./configure --help |
| 12:24.47 | sanoj | omry|work: If building a kernel module then make sure the makefiles respect KSRC and set that |
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| 12:25.21 | Guerin | black_Nightmare: there are several 64-bit arches in debian |
| 12:25.38 | sanoj | omry|work: ...and I believe even if not kernel module build, the sane approach is still for makefiles to support KSRC |
| 12:25.43 | idealbsd | sanoj, maybe i've try almost purge all the kernel but it's still as before, but after startup discover can find correct things |
| 12:25.45 | Guerin | I guess you want to ask dpkg about amd64 |
| 12:25.52 | black_Nightmare | guerin..hmm ty so if I bought an amd turion 64 laptop I could try figure using debian alone on it instead? |
| 12:26.06 | jm_ | use x86 release on that if you're asking this |
| 12:26.06 | Guerin | black_Nightmare: i guess so. |
| 12:26.09 | fooz | black_Nightmare, debian definitely runs on Alphas |
| 12:26.09 | sanoj | idealbsd: Are you talking about a real boot or a chroot? |
| 12:26.14 | black_Nightmare | thanks anyhow |
| 12:26.20 | omry|work | fooz, nothing looked like it can control that there.. guess I`ll have to have to Makefile :( |
| 12:26.28 | black_Nightmare | was to one store yesterday..they had two inexpensive turion 64 laptops heh |
| 12:26.40 | black_Nightmare | less than $1400cdn for both, quite inexpensive hm? ;) |
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| 12:26.44 | omry|work | sanoj, its not a kernel module.. and grep didn't any reference to KSRC... |
| 12:26.46 | idealbsd | sanoj, realone |
| 12:26.49 | sanoj | omry|work: What are you working on? |
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| 12:26.55 | Guerin | black_Nightmare: were they dented from the fall? |
| 12:26.55 | jm_ | inotify ;) |
| 12:27.04 | black_Nightmare | guerin..nah |
| 12:27.05 | Guerin | black_Nightmare: off the back of the truck, I mean. |
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| 12:27.13 | fooz | athlon 64 laptops are very cheap |
| 12:27.16 | black_Nightmare | but I think their price might had been from since they were just standard screen |
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| 12:27.19 | fooz | sub $500US |
| 12:27.24 | Guerin | fooz: good ones? |
| 12:27.28 | black_Nightmare | I don't quite like widescreen--always add more $$ and whatever that I don't need |
| 12:27.33 | omry|work | sanoj, inotify, as the grinning jm_ said. |
| 12:27.41 | fooz | Guerin, scroll up and see if I said good ones; I don't remember |
| 12:27.54 | Guerin | fooz: ooh, snarky. |
| 12:27.57 | sanoj | idealbsd: What distro? What kernel? What ramdisk tool? What hardware is not discovered correctly? |
| 12:28.33 | RichiH | does anyone have the mplayer-fonts package? nerim.net does not seem to hold it, any longer |
| 12:29.13 | sanoj | omry|work: Sorry - didn't see that (I am really not an IRC guy - this is all just a simulation of someone else than me I am into sloowly typed emails) |
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| 12:29.33 | fooz | hmm what's with udev and hotplug? |
| 12:29.41 | coollinux | hi anybody here who uses jfbterm |
| 12:29.43 | sanoj | RichiH: It is probably at my http://debian.jones.dk/ somewehere |
| 12:29.59 | coollinux | or tell me what can be the reason for hangup of a virtual console |
| 12:30.31 | black_Nightmare | $1399cdn >> 1.8ghz amd turion 64 mobile, 15" TFT XGA, ati radeon xpress 200M, 256mb or 512mb (forgot) in first slot - second slot free, forgot what hd, 8x dual-layer dvdrw, 56K+10/100+802.11g, one type I/II pcmcia slot, several media slots, firewire, two expansion dock connectors (?!) |
| 12:30.37 | black_Nightmare | thats one I saw in store |
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| 12:30.54 | RichiH | sanoj: i'll look |
| 12:31.01 | idealbsd | sanoj, debian/sid 2.6.14 with udev grub, it just discover removed soudcard and netcard not newinstalled ones, each time i install right modules and restart /etc/init.d/networking to use them with a script |
| 12:32.19 | black_Nightmare | there's just one thing I've been trying to find for some time with no success lol ... where the hell is a bulletproof usb disk drive? (seeing laptops don't even have internal one anymore) |
| 12:32.20 | black_Nightmare | :p |
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| 12:32.59 | imex | is there quicktime & windoze media player plug-in for Linux? |
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| 12:33.02 | sanoj | idealbsd: Run alsacon |
| 12:33.05 | sanoj | idealbsd: Run alsaconf |
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| 12:33.42 | nelf_ | fooz: fair comment - k3b is rather nice though, and has been working fine up to now. |
| 12:33.43 | coollinux | hey what is with the virtual consoles |
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| 12:33.48 | Wuffi600 | hi. |
| 12:33.48 | coollinux | and how can it hangup |
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| 12:34.10 | sanoj | idealbsd: I suspect it has nothing to do with discover, but hardcoded modules to load, setup by ALSA at some point |
| 12:34.23 | idealbsd | sanoj, heh each time restart it will go away as snd modules not correct and must lsmod | grep snd | xargs rmmod and alsaconf to use it |
| 12:34.29 | fooz | Need to get 503MB of archives. After unpacking 187MB will be used. |
| 12:34.31 | fooz | omg |
| 12:34.31 | imex | is the alsaconf for me? |
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| 12:34.58 | sanoj | idealbsd: What will go away? alsaconf offers at the end to save the discovered info |
| 12:35.41 | Guerin | imex: no. |
| 12:35.43 | Wuffi600 | how can i use "olddir" with logrotate if olddir is on a different device than the source-dir? is there a solution to let logrotate move old logfiles to another device? |
| 12:35.52 | imex | k i thought so, sorry |
| 12:35.56 | Guerin | imex: you might be able to make xine or mplayer plugins work |
| 12:35.56 | idealbsd | sanoj, alsactl can't store it as if restarted the discover will reload modules of removed soundcard |
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| 12:36.25 | ghnsxns | Guerin: debian does not seem to understand, that i want to upgrade the number of cds in the package list - it just updates "reading package lists...done" |
| 12:36.34 | sanoj | idealbsd: Please rephrase that last one - don't understand |
| 12:36.35 | Wuffi600 | How can i configure logrotate" to move old logfiles to a directory on another device? |
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| 12:37.47 | ravo | hi all im trying to install build-essentail on stable, but im getting that it depends on libc6-dev gcc and g++, i cant install gcc as it depends on cpp and cpp wont install i think because of the conflicting cpp-doc can anyone help ? |
| 12:38.21 | imex | Guerin : will try install those, just new to Linux, last use like 6 years ago with RedHat |
| 12:38.27 | idealbsd | sanoj, each time the computer restart, then discover will load wrong modules of soundcard so /etc/init.d/alsa-utils can't work |
| 12:38.55 | Guerin | ghnsxns: i know next to nothing about using cds as apt sources. |
| 12:39.24 | sanoj | idealbsd: Do you need discover? |
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| 12:39.41 | sanoj | s/need/actually need/ |
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| 12:40.02 | sanoj | s/actually need/actually really need/ |
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| 12:41.00 | idealbsd | sanoj, but now the /etc/init.d/modules can't work as grep say libprce.so.3 errors during startup |
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| 12:41.27 | sanoj | idealbsd: ...and are you sure you did not mess with its config files (you mentioned earlier that you are used to Knoppix - some weirdos install Knoppix to harddisk, upgrade to sid and believe they are then running an official sid install) |
| 12:41.48 | streuner | RichiH: i have a deb, but its repacked (dpkg-repack) |
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| 12:42.16 | sanoj | idealbsd: At what stage during bootup is that error? |
| 12:42.27 | RichiH | streuner: what is different about it? |
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| 12:43.07 | sanoj | idealbsd: ...if quite early and you use initramfs-tools then sorry - I can't help you there. I only use yaird myself (I am the maintainer of that package) |
| 12:43.28 | streuner | RichiH: no idea, but see yourself... http://weda.mine.nu/mplayer-fonts_3.5-2_i386.deb |
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| 12:44.24 | idealbsd | sanoj, i did not install knoppix, yes, it's very eary, thanks so much , i may just have a try :) |
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| 12:44.45 | RichiH | streuner: k |
| 12:46.09 | numer | does anyone use a orinoco wireless card and kismet with kernel 2.4.xx ?? |
| 12:46.20 | numer | successfully? |
| 12:46.24 | ravo | an anyone help me with this build-essential issue ? am i missing something |
| 12:46.46 | idealbsd | sanoj, i just use office kernel image from debian/sid and didn't change anything and the system is installed with d-i about two years ago |
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| 12:48.17 | omry|work | ll |
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| 12:49.40 | peritus | hi. when i try to bring up eth0:1, ifup just hangs. "ifup eth0:1" and then nothing happends |
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| 12:50.00 | vladkao | sanoj: ready with the recompile |
| 12:50.08 | raafat | hello im beginner in linux so may im ask simpl question |
| 12:50.31 | raafat | what is /dev and /mnt directory for |
| 12:50.32 | yxa | anyone has any idea what's wrong with this mail server? telnet sierra.fluidigm.com 25 |
| 12:51.44 | streuner | yxa: is this your mail-server? |
| 12:51.51 | tzafrir_laptop | yxa, take a look at /var/log/mail.log / /var/log/exim* |
| 12:51.59 | imex | what is result=130 means on kPackage installer |
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| 12:52.45 | yxa | its not mine. but my users have trouble sending mail. is SMTP over TLS or STARTTLS in place? |
| 12:52.50 | tzafrir_laptop | Is there any web-based interface to debconf? |
| 12:53.06 | tzafrir_laptop | yxa, what mail server is it? exim? |
| 12:53.12 | blondie | yxa: tell who it belongs to ;) |
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| 12:53.23 | yxa | blondie so there's something wrong? |
| 12:53.57 | blondie | yxa: doesn't look write |
| 12:54.06 | tzafrir_laptop | raafat, better ask more specific questions |
| 12:54.17 | tzafrir_laptop | or lookup the docs |
| 12:54.18 | ravo | hi all im trying to install build-essentail on stable, but im getting that it depends on libc6-dev gcc and g++, i cant install gcc as it depends on cpp and cpp wont install i think because of the conflicting cpp-doc can anyone help ? |
| 12:54.22 | tzafrir_laptop | ~docs |
| 12:54.25 | apt | docs is, like, Documentation can be found at http://www.digium.com/index.php?menu=documentation or http://www.digium.com/handbook-draft.pdf or http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk or http://www.asteriskdocs.org or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/asterisk |
| 12:54.27 | blondie | s/write/right/ |
| 12:54.46 | raafat | i mean what this directory contains |
| 12:55.04 | tzafrir_laptop | what is this asterisk factoid doing here? |
| 12:55.30 | petemc | ~factinfo docs |
| 12:55.30 | apt | docs -- last modified at Wed Jul 20 15:17:51 2005 by blitzrage!~blitzrage@blitzrage.documenter.extraordinaire.of.asterisk; it has been requested 240 times, last by tzafrir_laptop, 1m 6s ago. |
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| 12:56.24 | Tuttle_ | I use sarge and want to test postgresql for possible future production stuff. On #postgresql they encourage me to use 8.1 which is not in Sarge. how the more exprerienced solve this? what pg version you use? |
| 12:56.25 | tzafrir_laptop | ~rapid |
| 12:56.27 | apt | hmm... rapid is [xorcom rapid] at http://www.xorcom.com/rapid . A Debian based distro that features an auto-installer which installs and configures both Debian, and Asterisk. Download and apt source: http://updates.xorcom.com/iso/ Maintainer: tzafrir |
| 12:56.58 | tzafrir_laptop | do #asterisk and #debian share the same factoids? |
| 12:57.27 | Guerin | tzafrir_laptop: ask the bot owners |
| 12:57.55 | streuner | tzafrir_laptop: #debian have more than one bot here and they are different |
| 12:58.05 | RichiH | streuner: it seems the newer mplayers use the truetype fonts. now i just need to find out which packages myplayer would want .) |
| 12:58.10 | streuner | different owner and different factoids... |
| 12:58.42 | streuner | RichiH: well, that package is unstable - the latest |
| 12:58.48 | ghnsxns | when i triy to start aewm (xserver, x-window-system already installed) i get: aewm |
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| 12:59.16 | sanoj | idealbsd: You run unstable, so things change. If things really early behave strangely then consider rebuilding the ramdisk. Just as a generic advice - I really do not know initramfs-tools, only yaird. |
| 12:59.35 | ravo | ive never seen this before with build-essential? is this something wrong with the actual packages? |
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| 12:59.41 | ghnsxns | no :-P i get can't open display '(null)' (is display set properly?) |
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| 12:59.49 | sanoj | vladkao: Ok. I assume that is the kernel with initrd support causing you errors with yaird, right? |
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| 13:00.01 | sanoj | vladkao: ...so what is the error again? |
| 13:00.02 | ravo | ghnsxns: dpkg --reconfigure xserver |
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| 13:00.11 | ghnsxns | already done |
| 13:00.24 | ravo | ghnsxns: set it to vesa and test |
| 13:00.37 | ghnsxns | is set to vesa |
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| 13:00.48 | ravo | 640/480 ? |
| 13:01.09 | vladkao | sanoj: paste in flood ? |
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| 13:01.19 | som | hi |
| 13:01.35 | ghnsxns | ravo: how can i find out which reolution is set? |
| 13:01.39 | sanoj | vladkao: The error message is more than a couple of lines? |
| 13:01.57 | som | could somebody help me with a smb problem |
| 13:02.03 | sanoj | vladkao: then use http://http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 13:02.04 | vladkao | well, here's the error, but I wanted to give you more output :-) |
| 13:02.05 | vladkao | yaird error: unknown kernel version: 2.6.14-mppe-alsa-usb-ntfsrw (fatal) |
| 13:02.08 | sanoj | vladkao: then use http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 13:02.32 | ravo | does anyone know if build-essential is actualyl broken? so i can file a bug report |
| 13:03.10 | som | my problem is that in the smb://somtec/public dircetory nothing appears |
| 13:03.29 | som | the errormesg is quite strange because its something like might be deleted recently |
| 13:03.50 | som | but there is stuff in it |
| 13:03.55 | sanoj | vladkao: Well - what is your make-kpkg commandline? |
| 13:04.49 | sanoj | vladkao: It seems yaird expects /lib/modules/2.6.14-mppe-alsa-usb-ntfsrw to exist - and so would I... |
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| 13:06.07 | streuner | ravo: what does BTS say about? |
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| 13:06.56 | sanoj | vladkao: What is your currently running kernel version? uname -r |
| 13:07.02 | brosioz | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:07.05 | idealbsd | sanoj, thanks a lot, i've just purge 2.6.14 and reinstall it then use yaird to create ramdisk and hope it will be work, though i've try boot with old kernel and purge 2.6.14 then install it :) |
| 13:07.22 | ravo | libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.2.ds1-22) but 2.3.5-6 is to be installed |
| 13:07.22 | ravo | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:07.56 | peritus | my machine crashed tonight. now ifupdown is messed up. ifup eth0:1 just hangs. /etc/init.d/networking restart just hangs. what can i do? |
| 13:07.57 | sanoj | ravo: Are you holding back libc-dev? |
| 13:08.04 | cheal | ravo: "the conflicting cpp-doc"? |
| 13:08.12 | cheal | ravo: not on sarge |
| 13:08.17 | ravo | sanjoj: how can i tell |
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| 13:08.45 | sanoj | ravo: hmm - if using aptitude in fullscreen it is hard to miss |
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| 13:09.01 | ravo | sanoj: im using apt on cmd lie |
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| 13:09.34 | ravo | Sanjoc: 2.3.5-6 is needed for bind |
| 13:09.36 | sanoj | ravo: then ask someone else. And beware that apt-get does not support recommends (not relevant to your current issue, just a standard rant) |
| 13:09.52 | xiao | i have met a problem. That is /usr is not automounted. |
| 13:10.14 | coollinux | hi |
| 13:10.15 | sanoj | ravo: even for command line use I recoomend swtiching ti aptitude. |
| 13:10.25 | coollinux | i want to know what is termcap and terminfo |
| 13:10.27 | ravo | sanjoc: while ill try that now anyway see if it gives me morei nfo :) |
| 13:10.31 | coollinux | what is their use |
| 13:10.46 | Brian_L | is there a way to select all of the basic packages i need to use gcc |
| 13:10.55 | jm_ | coollinux: man terminfo |
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| 13:11.53 | ravo | sanjoc: bind requires 2.r3.5-6 of libc6 so i think its holding it back but bind and build-essential should be allowed to co exist :) |
| 13:12.15 | coollinux | i have a linux system of my own in which i am using a program |
| 13:12.25 | coollinux | which is using terminfo on other systems |
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| 13:12.29 | coollinux | but i don't set it |
| 13:12.30 | mynullvoid | hi just want to double check, do I need to allow udp 123 to have ntpdate to sync my server date-time? |
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| 13:12.56 | sanoj | ravo: So there you have your explanation: a -dev package usually must use same version as its library pkg. |
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| 13:13.00 | coollinux | my screen hangsup after 5 minutes if no typing is done |
| 13:13.29 | mynullvoid | coollinux: check your power management, acpi and apm |
| 13:13.36 | sanoj | ravo: (consider switching to an IRC client that does tab-completion of nicks) |
| 13:14.05 | coollinux | how do i check that |
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| 13:14.11 | ravo | sanoj: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.2.4-4), netbase for bind, so this should still work? how can i work aptitude to see if anythings being held |
| 13:14.15 | sanoj | s/consider/I suggest that you consider/ |
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| 13:14.25 | coollinux | basically it hangs up when i say exit on the console as well |
| 13:14.27 | mynullvoid | coollinux: check which one is running |
| 13:14.34 | sanoj | ravo: Run aptitude with no options |
| 13:14.42 | coollinux | it uses virtual console |
| 13:14.42 | ravo | sanoj: done |
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| 13:14.48 | mynullvoid | use rcconf to check |
| 13:15.20 | coollinux | i am having a system of my own it just has kernel+filesytem and the program i am talking about with busybox |
| 13:15.27 | sanoj | ravo: First check in status bar at top if you have broken dependencies |
| 13:15.49 | mynullvoid | coollinux: ? |
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| 13:15.59 | ravo | sanoj: no i dont have any |
| 13:16.05 | sanoj | ravo: It would say something like "#B:4 ..." in the middle of the status bar |
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| 13:16.16 | coollinux | mynullvoid |
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| 13:16.23 | coollinux | i have a system of my own |
| 13:16.24 | sanoj | ravo: good. Then press "g" as in "go on and do all updates" |
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| 13:16.26 | ravo | sanoj: ive got nothing like that, i know i dont have any broken dependencies either as it will tell |
| 13:16.39 | mynullvoid | coolinux: you mean lfs ? |
| 13:16.44 | coollinux | YEAH |
| 13:16.46 | coollinux | :) |
| 13:16.48 | ravo | sanoj: nothing is scheduled: ) ill try and find build-essentail |
| 13:17.02 | mynullvoid | coollinux: so you got the wrong channel then ;) |
| 13:17.14 | sanoj | ravo: Don't be so sure if this is the first time using a different package manager that might just resolve dependencies slightly differently than you are used to! |
| 13:17.16 | mynullvoid | coollinux: basic troubleshoting, check your log |
| 13:17.17 | coollinux | actually the program is from debian |
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| 13:17.37 | coollinux | jfbterm |
| 13:17.51 | vladkao | sanoj: the first time, it was 2.6.8 (stock debian kernel) |
| 13:17.51 | mynullvoid | coollinux: well Mac OS X is BSD heh |
| 13:17.58 | vladkao | now, its... |
| 13:18.03 | vladkao | 2.4.32-pre2-intel-mppe-usb-lp |
| 13:18.08 | sanoj | ravo: But hey - you already told me the reason for the problem: bind holding back libc6, right? |
| 13:18.20 | imex | back later time to reboot |
| 13:18.25 | ravo | sanoj: no i wondered if maybe it was, but i dont think it is |
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| 13:18.28 | sanoj | vladkao: You are not running stock kernel now? |
| 13:18.33 | vladkao | nope |
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| 13:18.39 | sanoj | vladkao: ...but instead a non-initrd kernel? |
| 13:18.49 | coollinux | can u tell me what is terminfo and can it cause such problems as hanging up |
| 13:18.51 | ravo | sanoj: do u just press + after i have searched for a package, then press g to install ? |
| 13:19.04 | sanoj | ravo: yep |
| 13:19.34 | mynullvoid | coollinux: check log and consult google |
| 13:19.43 | sanoj | ravo: Or to accept all pending updates press "U" (capital!) |
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| 13:19.47 | coollinux | u mean by log |
| 13:19.48 | coollinux | ? |
| 13:19.51 | vladkao | sanoj: yes, non-initrd |
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| 13:19.58 | AciD | anybody managed to have root on lvm to work ? I can't manage to create a correct initrd following the online howto.. |
| 13:20.05 | sanoj | vladkao: Then current error is different from earlier one |
| 13:20.14 | coollinux | the var directory |
| 13:20.16 | ravo | sanoj: when i press + it says #broken 2 will use 40.1mb of disk space and when i press "g" it just says nothing is scheduled |
| 13:20.19 | vladkao | sanoj: dunno, but think it's the same |
| 13:20.36 | vladkao | sanoj: and a strange thing, if I tun yaird manually, it works... |
| 13:20.38 | sanoj | vladkao: Seems you have just now found a limitation of yaird: current kernel must have at least 1 module |
| 13:20.58 | mynullvoid | AciD: my boot is on ext3 and the rest is on lvm |
| 13:21.12 | vladkao | meaning? |
| 13:21.17 | sanoj | vladkao: how do you mean "run yaird manually"? With what options? |
| 13:21.27 | vladkao | yaird --output /some/file |
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| 13:21.56 | sanoj | vladkao: hmm - that means "build me a ramdisk for current kernel" |
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| 13:22.29 | vladkao | what should I run then ? |
| 13:22.31 | ravo | sanoj: when i press "+" it says #broken 2 will use 40.1mb of disk space and when i press "g" it just says nothing is scheduled |
| 13:22.38 | sanoj | vladkao: What is /lib/modules/<XXX> of currently running kernel and of to-be-installed kernel? |
| 13:22.50 | AciD | mynullvoid > what mkinird did you used ? mkinitrd.yaird ? |
| 13:23.00 | sanoj | ravo: Do _not_ press "g" if any broken packages! |
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| 13:23.09 | sanoj | ravo: ---that's why I asked before |
| 13:23.11 | ravo | sanoj: what do i press |
| 13:23.21 | ravo | sanoj: it only says broken if i select it with + |
| 13:23.25 | sanoj | ravo: "b" to search for those broken packages |
| 13:23.28 | AciD | as you use an initrd, I assume you don't need to compile lvm (device mapper) into the kernel right ? |
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| 13:23.51 | mynullvoid | AciD: I use initrd |
| 13:23.54 | vladkao | sanoj: they are different if that's the question |
| 13:24.08 | sanoj | ravo: ...if pressing "g" with broken packages you rely on aptitude to do magic to resolve it - which might cause it to suggest you uninstall half of your system |
| 13:24.11 | ravo | sanoj: ok its selected libc6, gcc,make and such |
| 13:24.19 | sanoj | vladkao: That was not the question. |
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| 13:24.25 | ravo | sanoj: it just ignored when i press g before |
| 13:24.30 | mynullvoid | AciD: I even custom compile my kernel, everything running well |
| 13:24.36 | AciD | mynullvoid > the vanilla 'mkinird' you mean ? |
| 13:24.41 | AciD | how lucky |
| 13:24.42 | sanoj | ravo: I know. you told me. |
| 13:24.56 | AciD | too bad I haven't the time to question you more, gotta go |
| 13:24.57 | ravo | sanoj: what should i do after ive got in to this broken menu via f |
| 13:24.58 | AciD | cya |
| 13:25.17 | mynullvoid | AciD: lucky? peterS assisted me previously ;) |
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| 13:25.30 | sanoj | ravo: I tell you about general behaviour. I have experienced composing a selective upgrade, took me hours to prepare. And BOOM because I forgot to check broken dependencies before going |
| 13:25.52 | sanoj | ravo: Then scroll down to the red lines |
| 13:26.00 | sanoj | s/lines/line(s)/ |
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| 13:26.02 | ravo | sanoj: woops one down fall of aptitude then :) |
| 13:26.05 | ravo | sanoj: done |
| 13:26.08 | vladkao | sanoj: what do you suggest doing then ? |
| 13:26.09 | AciD | good to know |
| 13:26.26 | sanoj | vladkao: What is /lib/modules/<XXX> of currently running kernel and of to-be-installed kernel? |
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| 13:26.40 | sanoj | vladkao: ...I mean - what are their exact names? |
| 13:26.45 | mynullvoid | AciD: can your installation detect your lvm? |
| 13:27.05 | vladkao | let me see... |
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| 13:27.15 | ravo | sanoj: in red theres two "libc6-dev 2.3.2.ds1-22 with a pBA on the left and the size on the right? what do i do with them ? |
| 13:27.32 | sanoj | vladkao: ...bacuse (I believe) you did not answer before the question of what was the make-kpkg command used to produce the problematic kernel |
| 13:27.51 | vladkao | sanoj: that's why I wanted to paste :-) |
| 13:27.55 | sanoj | ravo: Press enter to "zoom" into that dependend package |
| 13:28.12 | sanoj | vladkao: Then paste: http://paste.debian.net/ ! |
| 13:28.12 | vladkao | anyway, the command was: make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version -mppe-alsa-usb-ntfsrw --revision rev0.4 kernel_image |
| 13:28.17 | mynullvoid | AciD: http://www.xs4all.nl/~ekonijn/yaird/yaird.html |
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| 13:28.25 | sanoj | vladkao: (as I believe I wrote earlier ;-) ) |
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| 13:28.41 | ravo | sanoj: libc6= 2.3.2.ds1-22 (unsatisfied) glibc-doc unsatisfied manpages-dev unsatisfied |
| 13:28.57 | vladkao | and the current kernel I pasted above |
| 13:29.00 | idealbsd | sanoj, after cp libpcre.so.3 from /usr/lib/ to /lib it works, thanks so much for help :) |
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| 13:29.45 | sanoj | idealbsd: That is a workaround, not a solution. Please help narrow down the cause, to get to the proper solution |
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| 13:30.13 | dfd | Hello |
| 13:30.14 | sanoj | ravo: Beware of difference between Depends, recommends, and suggest |
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| 13:30.45 | sanoj | ravo: ...and use enter on package version lines to zoom into those packages |
| 13:30.56 | dfd | What package do I need to view japanese characters in firefox? I installed xfonts-intl-japanese.. |
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| 13:31.00 | ravo | sanoj: yep, im going to depends the libc6 and then i go into the unsatisfied bit and it just says " g 2.3.2.ds1-22 in grey" |
| 13:31.09 | sanoj | ravo: and enter on "topics" to collapse or expand them |
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| 13:31.39 | sanoj | ravo: So libc6 is held by something (as we already knew) |
| 13:31.48 | sanoj | ravo: then zoom into libc6 |
| 13:32.03 | ravo | sanoj: now ive gone in to it its got to sourcepackage glibc. depends is there and lists suggests "locales and glibc-doc which are both red iwth unsatisfied) |
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| 13:32.19 | ravo | sanoj: how do we know its held |
| 13:32.20 | sanoj | ravo: ...and enter on "packages depending on libc6" close to the bottom |
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| 13:32.55 | peritus | http://pelme.se/~andreas/private/crash <- does this mean my disk is dying? |
| 13:32.58 | ravo | Sanoj: theres loads that depend on libc6 none are in red tho |
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| 13:34.05 | sanoj | ravo: Let's start from scratch again: Use ESC numerous times until it asks if you want to quit (you don't want that) |
| 13:34.13 | ravo | yer done |
| 13:34.20 | ravo | u mean q |
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| 13:34.29 | sanoj | ravo: sure :-) |
| 13:34.36 | ravo | sanoj: done |
| 13:34.40 | sanoj | ravo: What does third line from top say? |
| 13:34.56 | ravo | sanoj: it now says broken 2 will use etc etc |
| 13:35.37 | scorphus | Hi. I installed Thunderbird with aptitude. On the "check spelling" there is only the pt_br dictionary available. I would like to add others (en_us and ge_de). What package has to be installed? |
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| 13:35.38 | sanoj | idealbsd: I tend to believe you used a buggy initramfs-tools to generate your ramdisk. |
| 13:35.57 | sanoj | ravo: Please paste third line |
| 13:36.40 | ravo | sanoj: aptitude 0.2.15.9 #Broken:2 will use 40.1mb of disk space DL Size:12.3MB |
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| 13:37.41 | sanoj | ravo: Ah - sorry. I remembered interface wrong. Below that - Do you have a section saying Upgradeable packages? |
| 13:37.43 | cheal | scorphus: which myspell packages do you have installed? |
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| 13:38.11 | scorphus | cheal: 1s plz |
| 13:38.13 | ravo | sanoj: no just installed/not installed/obsolete and locally created / virtual and tasks |
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| 13:38.49 | sanoj | ravo: (a bit difficult this: I have aptitude in my hands, not visually :- ) |
| 13:39.10 | sanoj | ravo: "b" |
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| 13:39.19 | scorphus | cheal: only myspell-pt-br. mmm, I got it. Thank you! |
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| 13:39.30 | ravo | sanoj: BA cpp-3.3 (in red) |
| 13:39.40 | idealbsd | sanoj, i adramdisk = /usr/sbin/mkinitrd.yair to/etc/kernel-img.conf and install kernel-image but grep complain libpcre.so.3 not find, maybe it's due to ramdisk but i don't know, another question how to move pcskpr to blacklist with udev? |
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| 13:39.56 | ravo | sanoj: cpp-3.3 depends on gcc-3.3-base (< 1:3.3.6) |
| 13:41.18 | sanoj | ravo: ...and gcc-3.3-base is what version (bottom lines of that screen) |
| 13:41.38 | sanoj | idealbsd: So _grep_ has a problem |
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| 13:41.56 | ravo | sanoj: gcc-3.3-base 3.3.6-7 |
| 13:42.30 | sanoj | ravo: so gcc-3.3-base is too new for cpp-3.3 |
| 13:42.33 | cheal | idealbsd: which grep version do you have? |
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| 13:42.44 | ravo | sanoj: so it suggests :) |
| 13:42.53 | sanoj | ravo: Press "u" to update your list of available packages |
| 13:43.01 | idealbsd | sanoj, 2.5.1.ds2-3 |
| 13:43.06 | ravo | sanoj: done |
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| 13:43.33 | sanoj | ravo: ...but you already had done that with apt-get update earlier today, right? |
| 13:43.43 | cheal | idealbsd: ouch, why are you messing with that version? |
| 13:43.51 | ravo | sanoj: yes ive already updated package list with apt-get update earlier |
| 13:44.01 | sanoj | ravo: If not, then now you'd have an extra section saying Upgradeable packages. |
| 13:44.31 | ravo | sanoj: i dont : ) i still have broken one |
| 13:44.31 | idealbsd | cheal, i just install it in sid :) |
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| 13:44.48 | cheal | idealbsd: that's your problem |
| 13:44.55 | sanoj | ravo: Allright - time to do "workarounds for running bleeding edge on the architecture were most others bleed on you as well" |
| 13:44.59 | cheal | grep is a required package; don't mess with it |
| 13:45.03 | ravo | sanoj: why the smeg have the dependencies not been fixed, why have i got a later version of gcc-3.3 that wont work with ccp |
| 13:45.12 | ravo | sanoj: im running stable |
| 13:45.20 | sanoj | ravo: huh |
| 13:45.39 | sanoj | ravo: with aptitude 0.2.15.9? |
| 13:45.41 | ravo | sanoj: i dont understand why cpp isnt matched to run on the version of gcc that i have |
| 13:45.51 | idealbsd | cheal, you mean i should reinstall grep or so? |
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| 13:46.05 | normie | hi - i'm trying to apt-get upgrade but get the following error: unable to make backup link of `./usr/sbin/sshd' before installing new version: Operation not permitted - is this fixable? :/ |
| 13:46.05 | ravo | sanoj: all my sources.list is stable ? |
| 13:46.19 | cheal | idealbsd: either upgrade it or downgrade it. don't run 2.5.1.ds2-3 |
| 13:46.23 | Gathond | ravo:the gcc C++ compiler is in the g++ package, it is probably possible to have one gcc version and another g++ version |
| 13:46.48 | Guerin | normie: check permissions and attributes; run debsums. |
| 13:46.51 | ravo | gathond: either way they should still fix each other ? |
| 13:47.02 | Guerin | normie: are you the only admin on this machine, and did you set it all up yourself? |
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| 13:47.07 | ravo | Gathond: ill only have the version that would of been installed from stable |
| 13:47.13 | sanoj | ravo: How on Earth can you be running an unstable aptitude when all package sources are stable? |
| 13:47.14 | Gathond | ravo: what do you mean fix each other? |
| 13:47.42 | idealbsd | cheal, it's newest in my sources.list, i will get a new from debian.org, thanks a lot ! |
| 13:47.45 | Guerin | sanoj: never underestimate the destructive power of a determined idiot |
| 13:47.45 | Gathond | ravo: but stable includes several different versions of the whole gcc suite gcc-2.95 and 3.0 and 3.3 I think |
| 13:47.50 | ravo | gathond: as in the version i have of gccbase is too new for cpp, how could this happen? debian should of updated the cpp to support the later version |
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| 13:47.52 | sanoj | ravo: Did you forget to tell me that you are the kind of person bypassong APT and installing unstable packages directly with dpkg on a stable system? |
| 13:48.06 | ravo | sanoj: no i do not do that |
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| 13:48.39 | sanoj | ravo: Put differently - what use is stable-only sources to you on an unstable system?!? |
| 13:48.53 | ravo | sanoj: im not using unstable ? |
| 13:49.01 | ravo | sanoj: im using stable only packages |
| 13:49.12 | ravo | sanoj: if im not why is it using unstable packages ? :) |
| 13:49.25 | sanoj | aptitude 0.2.15.9 is stable? |
| 13:49.37 | ravo | sanoj: i dunno ? |
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| 13:49.40 | Guerin | ravo: output of cat /etc/debian_version; dpkg -l libc6; and apt-cache policy; on a pastebin |
| 13:49.46 | Guerin | !info aptitude sarge |
| 13:49.54 | dpkg | aptitude: (terminal-based apt frontend), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.2.15.9-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 1800 kB, Installed size: 5624 kB |
| 13:50.01 | Guerin | yes. |
| 13:50.08 | sanoj | ah - sorry! |
| 13:50.37 | ravo | im getting testing/unstable from version? |
| 13:50.41 | ravo | how can i change to stable |
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| 13:50.46 | Guerin | ravo: reinstall |
| 13:50.48 | sanoj | (then that interesting new version has not yet reached my powerpc machine - not your fault, off course, ravo!) |
| 13:50.48 | ravo | i thought it was on stable :/ |
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| 13:51.02 | ravo | guerin: normally the debian cds install stable as default ? |
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| 13:51.38 | Guerin | ravo: depends which cds |
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| 13:51.42 | xfelipex | OHJgGgGGG |
| 13:51.45 | xfelipex | olas |
| 13:52.06 | sanoj | ravo: How did you install your system? |
| 13:52.13 | ravo | sanoj: from 3.1 cd :) |
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| 13:52.30 | Guerin | do it again, and make sure you choose stable this time. |
| 13:52.37 | sanoj | ravo: Have you ever touched /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 13:52.51 | sanoj | ravo: ...on that machine, I mean |
| 13:53.04 | ravo | gurein: i didnt know u could pick ? |
| 13:53.33 | sanoj | ravo: ...and it was an _official_ Debian _released_ 3.1 cd? |
| 13:53.35 | idealbsd | how to add pcspkr module to blacklist with udev-0.074, it seems not work added to /etc/discover-modprobe.conf |
| 13:53.38 | ravo | sanoj: yer |
| 13:53.55 | Guerin | ravo: many of the sarge installers were released when sarge was still testing. That may be your case. |
| 13:54.01 | sanoj | ravo: Ever touched sources.list? |
| 13:54.04 | Guerin | ravo: i recommend 3.1r0a |
| 13:54.10 | normie | Guerin, i'm the only administrator, yes - and the setup is all mine, however i'm still experimenting quite a bit :) |
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| 13:54.30 | ravo | sanoj: i didnt think there was an option to install unstable off the cd? :) |
| 13:54.42 | Guerin | ravo: don't think; know. |
| 13:54.51 | normie | Guerin, the permissions are : -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3937268 2005-05-17 00:43 sshd |
| 13:54.53 | ravo | Guerin: where is the option ive never seen it |
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| 13:55.01 | Guerin | normie: lsattr /usr/sbin/sshd |
| 13:55.12 | sanoj | ravo: odd answer to my question! |
| 13:55.14 | normie | -u--ia----------- /usr/sbin/sshd |
| 13:55.16 | normie | Guerin, |
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| 13:55.26 | Guerin | ravo: it's in the section marked something like "Which branch of Debian GNU/Linux would you like to install?" |
| 13:55.31 | ravo | sanoj: i think maybe they had unstable lines in at one point and i just hcanged it |
| 13:55.37 | Si1L3ncE | hello! |
| 13:55.38 | Guerin | ravo: did you ever set those attributes? |
| 13:55.45 | Guerin | bah |
| 13:55.46 | sanoj | ravo: Bingo! |
| 13:55.54 | Guerin | normie: did you ever set those attributes? |
| 13:55.57 | ravo | well its obviously unstable its just i dont remember selecting that :) |
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| 13:56.09 | normie | Guerin, not that i know of :) |
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| 13:56.21 | sanoj | ravo: Can't blame Debian for your mind slipping :-P |
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| 13:56.41 | ravo | sanoj: thanks for your help, thats why it was obviously all messed up at some point it was unstable and then i ran stable sourecs :) |
| 13:56.56 | ravo | sanoj: ill reinstall now and should all be fine :) |
| 13:57.09 | Guerin | normie: it's possible your system may have been compromised. I suggest disconnecting it from the network immediately and running chkrootkit and debsums from known-good media |
| 13:57.23 | sanoj | ravo: ...And you will be using aptitude from now on, right? |
| 13:57.31 | Si1L3ncE | is here somebody who is responsible for the iso files of debian? I need to know if the via-velocity (it also could be: via_velocity) mod is on the debian ia64 netistall iso. |
| 13:57.42 | ravo | sanoj: im going to give it a go ;) |
| 13:57.44 | ravo | cheers |
| 13:57.52 | sanoj | ravo: cheers :-) |
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| 13:58.16 | normie | Guerin, hm... sounds bad :/ i guess i know what to do this evening :) |
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| 13:58.51 | cheal | Si1L3ncE: is it in debian? |
| 13:59.04 | Si1L3ncE | its in knoppix and kannotix |
| 13:59.11 | Guerin | normie: yeah. If you're the only admin and you didn't do it, you need to ask yourself who did. Read the documentation for *attr for information on what those attributes mean. |
| 13:59.22 | Guerin | Si1L3ncE: is it in mainline? |
| 13:59.35 | Si1L3ncE | what u mean? |
| 13:59.47 | cheal | Si1L3ncE: so...? there's no point in tracking a CDs "responsible" if you don't know whether it's in debian |
| 13:59.51 | beardy | what u say!! |
| 13:59.53 | beardy | !u |
| 13:59.53 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 14:00.06 | Guerin | Si1L3ncE: the official sprinkled-with-penguin-piss linux kernel from kernel.org |
| 14:00.11 | EdibleText | someone set us up the bomb |
| 14:00.26 | beardy | we get signal |
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| 14:01.37 | phoenix_atlantis | Hi, what's the reason that a user (actually several) are not shown in the gdm graphical greeter (debblue) (gdm 2.6.0.8)? |
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| 14:02.05 | normie | Guerin, well, i have additional hardware lying around, i think i'll just make a clean install on a new disk and get the stuff i need from backups - and consider how i administer the server ;) |
| 14:02.22 | Si1L3ncE | if it's not in mainline.. how i can set up this mod to the netinst? i need it! otherwise my eth card (onboard) won't work and i can't continue my installation of debian.. |
| 14:02.26 | beardy | phoenix_atlantis: Are they real users? Is there accounts active, and so on? |
| 14:02.54 | Guerin | normie: might be of value to find out how the breach occurred - for future reference |
| 14:02.59 | phoenix_atlantis | They were added with useradd and are shown in the /etc/passwd, and are able to do ssh.... |
| 14:03.03 | Si1L3ncE | btw: how i can check whats in mainline and what not?! |
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| 14:03.12 | Guerin | Si1L3ncE: here's a nickel, kid, go buy yourself a rlt8139 |
| 14:03.22 | beardy | mainline, wtf is that? |
| 14:03.26 | wang | good morning people |
| 14:03.38 | bibe | good afternoon , wang |
| 14:03.41 | Guerin | beardy: read above re penguin piss |
| 14:03.52 | wang | tomato tomato |
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| 14:04.05 | normie | Guerin, there are quite a few ways it could have happened ;) |
| 14:04.17 | normie | weak root password, missing updates etc. |
| 14:04.20 | Guerin | normie: oh ... so you run webmin |
| 14:04.22 | mynullvoid | Guerin: rtl8139 is buggy consider better nic |
| 14:04.34 | normie | Guerin, haha - no, i stick to console :) |
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| 14:04.45 | Guerin | mynullvoid: rtl8139s work fine under any load less than extreme |
| 14:04.48 | Si1L3ncE | k.. i use a rlt8139 for the installation but where i get the mod when i've done it to remove this second eth card? (is there anywhere a mod list or something else? plz i just need a bit help) |
| 14:04.56 | Guerin | mynullvoid: and they're bloody cheap, and work everywhere |
| 14:04.59 | mynullvoid | Guerin: yes and not on dhcp server hehehhe |
| 14:05.03 | beardy | mod? |
| 14:05.11 | Guerin | mynullvoid: works fine for me |
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| 14:05.15 | tzafrir_laptop | would it break anything if I add some text to /etc/debian_version after "3.1": 3.1 (My System) |
| 14:05.16 | tzafrir_laptop | ? |
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| 14:05.29 | beardy | tzafrir_laptop: Why? |
| 14:05.32 | mynullvoid | Guerin: not agree on - work everywhere, when my office have 500++ pc connected heh |
| 14:05.37 | Si1L3ncE | beardy: i need the via_velocity mod for my onboard ethernet card |
| 14:05.42 | cheal | Si1L3ncE: it should be there |
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| 14:05.58 | mynullvoid | Guerin: buffer overflow |
| 14:06.03 | Guerin | mynullvoid: i'm suggesting it as an option for someone whose eth card won't work |
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| 14:06.20 | Si1L3ncE | cheal: it should be in the ia64 networkinstall iso? |
| 14:06.24 | Guerin | mynullvoid: and what you're referring to is probably manufacturing defects due to cheap workmanship of the board, not bthe chipset |
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| 14:06.36 | Guerin | though the boards do tend to be throwaway |
| 14:06.42 | wang | the sun is the same in the relative way but you're older, shorter of breath, one day closer to death |
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| 14:06.51 | mynullvoid | Guerin: it's the chip issue, no matter what the nic brand |
| 14:07.26 | Si1L3ncE | otherwise.. if u mean it should be there after the installation. which what packed it comes? |
| 14:07.27 | tzafrir_laptop | beardy, because I want it to show in, e.g, phpsysinfo |
| 14:07.29 | rutski89 | how do i get the nvidia-kernel-* module for kernel 2.6? |
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| 14:07.33 | Guerin | mynullvoid: if that were the case, they'd all behave identically, and the relevance of your 500+ machine sample would be null and void. |
| 14:07.42 | Guerin | rutski89: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 14:07.48 | cheal | !tell rutski89 about nvidia-howto |
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| 14:07.58 | Guerin | tzafrir_laptop: i don't THINK it would break anything, but ... |
| 14:08.00 | cheal | rutski89: you build it |
| 14:08.17 | beardy | tzafrir_laptop: modify phpsysinfo to show what you want instead, don't mess with /etc/debian_version |
| 14:08.23 | Si1L3ncE | cheal!? |
| 14:08.24 | mynullvoid | heh |
| 14:08.26 | cheal | Si1L3ncE: it's called a package. it should be in a stock kernel package |
| 14:08.35 | wang | never think about the matrix, just do. |
| 14:08.39 | Si1L3ncE | okey.. i hope so :) |
| 14:08.46 | cheal | Si1L3ncE: what I've verified is that it was in i386's 2.6.8 |
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| 14:09.21 | Guerin | if it's in there it'll be in the install kernel |
| 14:09.21 | yaargy | how do i "unfreeze messages" in exim?! :| |
| 14:09.21 | mynullvoid | Guerin: that was 2 years back issue, and http://www.scyld.com/rtl8139.html says this bug is fixed, anyway I am not going for this nightmare again |
| 14:09.23 | madar | hi |
| 14:09.26 | cheal | Si1L3ncE: if you want to be sure it's there, you'd have to download the install kernel you plan to use for ia64 and check its config file |
| 14:09.31 | sewi | hello, do you know a replacement for x11rec in debian sarge? |
| 14:09.42 | madar | i need some help in configing exim4 |
| 14:09.45 | Danny_Lion | help, my scanner stopped working... |
| 14:09.59 | beardy | sewi: what does it do? |
| 14:10.02 | Si1L3ncE | hm |
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| 14:10.08 | Danny_Lion | under root scanimage -L shows it, but it still won't scan, because of some USBDEVFS_CONTROL error |
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| 14:10.38 | madar | the problem is i can not set users,passes, domains... |
| 14:10.43 | mynullvoid | madar: ask in #xim |
| 14:10.45 | sewi | beardy: creating animated gifs/movies from what I do on desktop |
| 14:10.51 | mynullvoid | ops #exim heh |
| 14:11.07 | Guerin | sewi: xvidcap |
| 14:11.12 | Guerin | sewi: maybe |
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| 14:11.27 | Guerin | sewi: i think scrot and/or imagemagick can also do this |
| 14:11.30 | sewi | Guerin: thanks I'll try it |
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| 14:12.19 | beardy | sewi: someone talked about some vnc2swf here a while ago, but I don't think it was packaged though, something that would use vnc, and output what it sees as a swf file, if I understand it correctly.. |
| 14:12.29 | sewi | Guerin: xvidcap is available in debian sarge? |
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| 14:12.39 | Guerin | sewi: seek, and ye shall find |
| 14:12.49 | beardy | sewi: /msg dpkg search |
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| 14:14.02 | phoenix_atlantis | beardy: I let a user now login at the maschine, and logout... but his account is still now shown :( |
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| 14:18.11 | rziviani | boa tarde pessola |
| 14:18.15 | rziviani | boa tarde pessoal |
| 14:18.34 | rziviani | como eu configuro uma impressora matricial citzem 200 gx no linux? |
| 14:19.01 | zumbi | dpkg: es |
| 14:19.01 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:19.15 | zumbi | dpkg: br |
| 14:19.15 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 14:19.30 | rziviani | valeu |
| 14:19.54 | Si1L3ncE | thanks for the help! i will try my best :) |
| 14:19.55 | Si1L3ncE | bye |
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| 14:21.28 | ziupiu | phoenix_atlantis, see section [greeter] in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf |
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| 14:21.49 | funky | hi |
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| 14:22.07 | funky | how can I know what services (lauched through /etc/rc.X) are currently running? |
| 14:22.18 | funky | something like rc-status in gentoo |
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| 14:23.01 | pureone | rcconf |
| 14:23.11 | pureone | er |
| 14:23.14 | detox | craeted a mount point for my windows partition and now I cannot access it. Read the chmod comamnds am confused |
| 14:23.15 | pureone | ignore that ;) |
| 14:23.32 | detox | how di i change permissions so all can access? |
| 14:23.35 | funky | yep :) |
| 14:23.48 | detox | chmod +R +W +X ?? |
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| 14:24.00 | Nirga1 | detox: try "man fstab" |
| 14:24.06 | funky | pureone: bum |
| 14:24.11 | funky | I got it |
| 14:24.46 | pureone | what is it? |
| 14:25.01 | funky | tool to manage boot scripts |
| 14:25.17 | pureone | i know what rcconf is :P |
| 14:25.47 | pureone | i thought you ment you found the program thats like rc-status |
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| 14:25.52 | ziupiu | detox, man mount |
| 14:25.54 | detox | nothing in there about permissions sorry |
| 14:26.04 | ziupiu | detox, see umask |
| 14:26.06 | mynullvoid | detox chmod 777 |
| 14:26.12 | funky | yep, i have rcconf, sysvconfig and sys-rc-conf to do that, but I wanted to know the current services running |
| 14:26.29 | funky | not the services that will be launched at booting |
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| 14:26.40 | mynullvoid | funky: info ps |
| 14:26.41 | detox | ok ,, so I need to open terminal change to su |
| 14:26.44 | asg | funky: if you are the admin, you should know what services are running |
| 14:27.24 | detox | then type chmod 777 windows_c |
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| 14:27.28 | detox | ??? |
| 14:27.35 | mynullvoid | detox: you mean fstab? |
| 14:27.46 | mynullvoid | detox: umask=000 |
| 14:27.52 | detox | no |
| 14:27.56 | detox | ok lets start over |
| 14:28.05 | detox | i had the written down and hav lost it |
| 14:28.07 | Roxport | dpkg! screen |
| 14:28.13 | detox | so it is my mistake to ask again |
| 14:28.16 | Roxport | !dpkg screen |
| 14:28.16 | dpkg | i heard screen is like, allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and let's you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or apt-get install screen |
| 14:28.32 | mynullvoid | detox: you mounted your windows partition and want all user to access them? |
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| 14:28.38 | detox | yes |
| 14:28.38 | Roxport | can I use screen without a mouse? |
| 14:28.46 | pusling | is a plain 32bit debian able to run on a 64bit amd processor ? |
| 14:28.47 | l3m | Roxport: sure |
| 14:28.48 | detox | including me |
| 14:28.54 | mynullvoid | detox: add umask=000 in your fstab stanza |
| 14:28.55 | detox | cannot get in even as root |
| 14:29.07 | detox | ok |
| 14:29.10 | mynullvoid | detox: you need to mount it first |
| 14:29.11 | widrone | Roxport: Yes. |
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| 14:29.22 | Roxport | widrone: thanks |
| 14:29.22 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 14:29.30 | Roxport | l3m: thnkx |
| 14:29.50 | jeffrin | is it possible to master iptables using a laptop connected to internet |
| 14:29.52 | cheal | pusling: yes |
| 14:29.57 | mynullvoid | pusling: should be |
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| 14:30.16 | jeffrin | is it possible to master iptables using a laptop connected to internet ? |
| 14:30.37 | mynullvoid | jeffrin: ? |
| 14:31.35 | jeffrin | mynullvoid : can you help me |
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| 14:32.09 | mynullvoid | jeffrin: http://www.netfilter.org/ |
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| 14:32.55 | rawr | how to check the size of a directory? ls -ldh dirname doesn't work |
| 14:33.02 | jeffrin | mynullvoid : will i be able to do all practicals using a laptop connected to internet |
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| 14:33.14 | runa_ | hey :) does anyone uses tiger? Im getting some messages from tigercron starting with --OLD-- from chkrootkit. I've checked the system and it's not happening anymore (it was chkrootkit + qmail issue). How can I make those --OLD-- messages disapear? |
| 14:33.19 | Nirga1 | rawr: "du -ks <dir>" |
| 14:33.49 | mynullvoid | jeffrin: you need two machine, one is from and one is to |
| 14:34.20 | rawr | Nirga1, , there's no -ks |
| 14:34.20 | mynullvoid | jeffrin: if you have vmware; then you can do it with one heh! |
| 14:34.43 | runa_ | btw, vmwareplayer is great |
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| 14:35.00 | mynullvoid | rawr: info du |
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| 14:35.31 | fireba11 | hm .. i need a complete kernel config to install vmware tools .. how do i get one ? |
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| 14:35.51 | mynullvoid | .config |
| 14:36.07 | fireba11 | ? |
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| 14:36.25 | jeffrin | is vmware a free software ? |
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| 14:36.46 | Ronin | jeffrin: nope not as i recall |
| 14:36.52 | mynullvoid | fireball: just use your config file in your /boot rename it to .confiig |
| 14:36.54 | leOn | hi |
| 14:36.56 | mynullvoid | ops |
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| 14:37.00 | tuxy-100 | how do u port fwd in SSH? |
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| 14:37.11 | Linux_guy77 | Hello |
| 14:37.24 | mynullvoid | copy your /boot/config-<kernel version> to your /usr/src/linux/.config |
| 14:37.28 | Linux_guy77 | Anyone who knows how to unlock an IBM thinkpad? |
| 14:37.43 | leOn | is there any way to make the default path for crontab files in the users homedir instead of /var/spool/cron ? |
| 14:37.49 | mynullvoid | Linux_guy777: unlock what? |
| 14:38.02 | tuxy-100 | Linux_guy77: run a knoppix live CD :) |
| 14:38.03 | leOn | can't seem to find any info on that |
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| 14:38.06 | Linux_guy77 | mynullvoid, unlock Bios, the security chip |
| 14:38.24 | mynullvoid | Linux_guy77: I seriously don't think so |
| 14:38.28 | tuxy-100 | oops im wrong then |
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| 14:39.16 | Ronin | Linux_guy77: have you searched online? most bios's can be reset but laptops are a major pain in the arse to do |
| 14:39.48 | tuxy-100 | how to do port forwarding in ssh? |
| 14:39.53 | mynullvoid | Ronin: he is talking about the security chip, it's not bios password |
| 14:39.54 | Linux_guy77 | mynullvoid, I tried to take out bios battery and the big battery. And left those out for 30 minutes, so my BIOS is now empty and default, but the passwd is stored in NVRAM, thats flash memory and I dont know what to do. |
| 14:40.03 | Ronin | mynullvoid: opps pardon me |
| 14:40.05 | Kluster_v2 | thinkpads ? just a simple jumper.. |
| 14:40.10 | Linux_guy77 | Yes ive tried Ronin |
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| 14:40.39 | mynullvoid | Linux_guy77: I got a friend who can reset it, but he is here in Malaysia.. heh |
| 14:40.56 | Linux_guy77 | IBM are security freaks, my laptop in an IBM Thinkpad T42 |
| 14:41.01 | Kluster_v2 | Linux_guy77, what model ? |
| 14:41.04 | Kluster_v2 | nm |
| 14:41.16 | Linux_guy77 | mynullvoid, Is that so. DOH! :/ |
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| 14:41.30 | Linux_guy77 | Kluster_v2, Its an T42 |
| 14:41.39 | Kluster_v2 | only advice for a thinkpad owner: trash it and buy a toshiba! |
| 14:41.40 | Kluster_v2 | :) |
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| 14:41.50 | Linux_guy77 | LOL, Kluster_v2 |
| 14:42.14 | cheal | toshiba? ew |
| 14:42.16 | Linux_guy77 | mynullvoid, I have to buy a ticket to Malaysia |
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| 14:43.09 | mynullvoid | heh |
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| 14:43.26 | hacabrera071 | Good Morning Guys!!! :D |
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| 14:43.55 | Linux_guy77 | But maybe I can add the man from Malaysia to my MSN :P |
| 14:43.57 | Kluster_v2 | Linux_guy77, You want to reset the bios ? like a lost password ? |
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| 14:44.29 | PumpkinP | burn it |
| 14:44.36 | hacabrera071 | listen.. I have a little problem... I already set up some IPTables in my Server... I'm happy with the work they are doing and how they are doing it... but... How can I save them so they will come in effect the next time I reboot the server?? :( |
| 14:44.38 | mynullvoid | Linux_guy77: is't the bios password? can you double confirm |
| 14:44.38 | destr0__ | where can I get a list of woody apt sources? |
| 14:44.49 | Linux_guy77 | Kluster_v2, no not really, my BIOS is now empty but IBM Thinkpads have an security chip which is NVRAM, thats an Flash memory, Kluster_v2 |
| 14:44.51 | mynullvoid | destr0__: debian site |
| 14:44.53 | asg | destr0__: apt-setup. Then substitue stable for woody |
| 14:45.10 | PumpkinP | burn the flash memory |
| 14:45.22 | Kluster_v2 | a buddy of mine that worked fior 4 years exclusively with thinkpads just MSNed me that the T42 DON'T have asecurity chip, and to reset the bios you remove it's battery (bios) for 3-5 minutes |
| 14:45.52 | Linux_guy77 | mynullvoid, hmm is it, my bios is totally empty now, clock and stuff, but the lock comes up direct when the laptop tries to boot mynullvoid |
| 14:45.55 | mynullvoid | Kluster_v2: that's why I am asking him |
| 14:46.00 | destr0__ | asg: another thing, I was asleep at the wheel when sarge went stable. All my sources lists say "stable" is there a way to check to see if any of the sarge packages have already mingled with my woody box? |
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| 14:46.38 | mynullvoid | destr0__: did you do apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 14:46.45 | destr0__ | do |
| 14:46.52 | destr0__ | no |
| 14:46.56 | Roxport | Question before I launch screen for the first time: result of "tset -q" is 'linux' |
| 14:47.05 | Roxport | will that be OK terminal for running screen? |
| 14:47.07 | Ronin | destr0__: when was the last time you did a dist-upgrade? |
| 14:47.18 | destr0__ | but my sources list use the term "stable" and not woody |
| 14:47.25 | Linux_guy77 | Kluster_v2, I had the battery out for 30 minutes, the one that controlles BIOS |
| 14:47.26 | rziviani | consegui instalar e funcionar a impressora como generica 9 pinos |
| 14:47.36 | asg | destr0__: if you haven't dist-upgraded, then you should be fine. However, "dpkg -la | awk '/[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | less" should allow you to do some groundwork analysis of what came from where. |
| 14:47.36 | destr0__ | Ronin: I've never rand dist-upgrade on that particular box |
| 14:47.41 | rziviani | so que esta saindo fora os campos o que pode ser? |
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| 14:47.49 | asg | !es |
| 14:47.50 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:48.01 | thingfish | !br |
| 14:48.01 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 14:48.10 | destr0__ | thank you asg, Ronin and mynullvoid |
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| 14:49.04 | Linux_guy77 | Im sure this Thinkpad has an security chip! |
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| 14:50.07 | destr0__ | asg: that comman listed an empty file. I'm going to upgrace my sources list to use "woody" instead of "stable" is there an easy way to refresh/rebuild my package index? |
| 14:50.22 | Linux_guy77 | It completely useless this T42 unless I get an new pirate security chip, and even if I had one where is it located and how do I replace the old to new one. |
| 14:50.50 | fireba11 | hm .. i need to run a make clonconfig; make prepare .. what do i need to install so it will work ? |
| 14:50.51 | asg | destr0__: apt-get update |
| 14:50.56 | mynullvoid | Linux_guy77: http://www.pwcrack.com/security_chips_ibm.shtml |
| 14:50.56 | Linux_guy77 | Its a shame because this Laptop is a very nice machine. |
| 14:51.00 | asg | destr0__: do that after s/stable/woody/ |
| 14:51.06 | Linux_guy77 | thanks mynullvoid |
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| 14:52.33 | Linux_guy77 | mynullvoid, Ive seen that page allready, its expensive, in ebay you can find chips more cheap |
| 14:52.36 | hacabrera071 | Guys... Can you give me a hand??? I have a little problem... I already set up some IPTables in my Server... I'm happy with the work they are doing and how they are doing it... but... How can I save them so they will come in effect the next time I reboot the server?? :( |
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| 14:52.56 | p3rti | hi |
| 14:53.12 | asg | hacabrera071: man iptables-save |
| 14:53.15 | p3rti | how can i fix that? |
| 14:53.17 | p3rti | Makefile.linux doesn't have a rule to build .ko-files for 2.6 kernels. |
| 14:53.21 | asg | hacabrera071: and /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian{.gz} |
| 14:53.21 | mynullvoid | Linux_guy77: sorry then |
| 14:53.43 | Linux_guy77 | mynullvoid, thans anyway =) |
| 14:53.52 | hacabrera071 | asg: :O let me take a look at it... Thanks |
| 14:53.54 | Linux_guy77 | thanks guys |
| 14:53.57 | mynullvoid | Linux_guy77: http://www.softf5.com/IBM_ThinkPad_T42_series_Security_Chip-info-6893.html |
| 14:53.59 | Linux_guy77 | damn IMB |
| 14:54.04 | Linux_guy77 | IBM SUCKS |
| 14:54.06 | abrotman | Linux_guy77: ask #hardware |
| 14:54.15 | fireba11 | to be able to do a make cloneconfig i need to install kernel-source and gcc .. anything else i need ? |
| 14:54.28 | Linux_guy77 | abrotman, thanks Ill try |
| 14:54.38 | mynullvoid | Linux_guy77: never tried that, but it says 30 days trial |
| 14:54.42 | asg | fireba11: build-essential and possibly kernel-package |
| 14:55.21 | haugha | hi |
| 14:55.22 | mynullvoid | Linux_guy77: good luck |
| 14:55.24 | fireba11 | asg thx will try |
| 14:55.36 | haugha | I get this error msg frmo squid: Squid Parent: child process 23565 exited due to signal 6 |
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| 14:55.38 | haugha | from* |
| 14:55.45 | haugha | anyone have a clue what it can be? |
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| 14:56.20 | mynullvoid | haugha: from* means it can happen more than one times ;) |
| 14:56.42 | p3rti | The DRI drivers can not be installed without the latest kernel modules. |
| 14:56.42 | p3rti | Installation will be aborted. |
| 14:56.45 | mynullvoid | one and more heh |
| 14:56.46 | p3rti | why that? |
| 14:56.47 | hacabrera071 | asg: one more question.... How can I see the hits on my iptables statements? |
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| 14:57.06 | asg | haugha: #squid |
| 14:57.13 | asg | haugha: iptables -vL |
| 14:57.29 | asg | bah |
| 14:57.35 | asg | hacabrera071: iptables -vL |
| 14:57.44 | Linux_guy77 | I wanna crack my Thinkpad for free :P |
| 14:57.49 | haugha | asg: i've asked there.. |
| 14:57.58 | hacabrera071 | asg: Thank you brother... Everything has been solved... :D |
| 14:58.04 | asg | hacabrera071: you're welcome |
| 14:58.06 | fireba11 | asg: now vmware complains about running kernel is 2.6.8-2-k7 and directory of kernel headers are 2.6.8 ^^ |
| 14:58.30 | mynullvoid | Linux_guy77: does that laptop have warranty? |
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| 14:59.22 | asg | fireba11: hmmm. try 'm-a prepare' and see if it grabs the correct headers for -k7 |
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| 14:59.31 | fireba11 | asg: also, make clonconfig still not working ^^ |
| 14:59.32 | Linux_guy77 | mynullvoid, nope nada niet |
| 14:59.44 | asg | fireba11: what error do you get on 'make cloneconfig'? |
| 15:00.08 | Linux_guy77 | mynullvoid, what would you do if you found this T42 machine in the street, would you take a hammer and hit it? |
| 15:00.15 | fireba11 | asg: make says no rule found for cloneconfig |
| 15:00.39 | asg | fireba11: oh, are you trying to build a kernel from a previous kernel's config? |
| 15:00.40 | mynullvoid | Linux_guy77: I will send to my friend to unfreeze it heh! |
| 15:00.51 | asg | fireba11: if so, that's 'make oldconfig' |
| 15:01.06 | Linux_guy77 | mynullvoid, to Malaysia :) |
| 15:01.08 | asg | haugha: then configure squid for more verbose logging and see if you get any more information. |
| 15:01.27 | fireba11 | asg: no .. i just need to set it up for vmware to compile itself as kernel module .. seem to have messed up somewhere though |
| 15:01.42 | destr0__ | so when I run apt-get upgrade there are 32 packages to upgrade, but it doesn't tell me which ones. Is there away to make it list them? |
| 15:01.43 | fireba11 | asg: i want to sue the current kernels config .. |
| 15:01.49 | Linux_guy77 | mynullvoid, I can send it to nortpole to freeze the damn !"!"#¤ and then get it back after one week! |
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| 15:02.04 | asg | fireba11: /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 15:03.15 | fireba11 | asg: tells me i got no right to do that .. as root ^^ |
| 15:03.36 | asg | fireba11: it's a file, use cat or your pager (i.e. less, more) to read it |
| 15:03.53 | fireba11 | ups |
| 15:04.29 | Linux_guy77 | mynullvoid, give me youre friend :D |
| 15:05.02 | fireba11 | asg: okay .. what should i look for in that file ?? |
| 15:05.19 | mynullvoid | Linux_guy77: I'll call him tomorrow and hope to get some hints heh! btw http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Image:ESS.jpg |
| 15:05.38 | Linux_guy77 | Oh nice, mynullvoid |
| 15:06.04 | Kian|worK | hi |
| 15:06.28 | Kian|worK | i tried to install a software but did some messy stuff and i think my apt-get remove does not clean up properly |
| 15:06.37 | Kian|worK | how do i clean up using dpkg or apt-* ? |
| 15:06.50 | fireba11 | Kian|worK: apt-get remove --purge |
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| 15:07.13 | Kian|worK | thanks |
| 15:07.20 | mynullvoid | Kian|worK: or use synaptic |
| 15:07.23 | fireba11 | asg: you still there ? |
| 15:07.31 | Linux_guy77 | mynullvoid, If thats the chip in the picture, maybe i can put it inte fridge so it will lost its memory to get default setup? |
| 15:07.52 | Linux_guy77 | mynullvoid, dont laugh! :) |
| 15:07.54 | mynullvoid | heheheheh |
| 15:07.58 | licued | Heya, does anyone have experince with setting up VPN tunnel with Racoon or OpenSWAN? |
| 15:07.59 | Linux_guy77 | DOOONT :D |
| 15:08.42 | mynullvoid | Linux_guy77: you are funny ;) |
| 15:09.07 | Linux_guy77 | I have a friend who works at IBM but as an salesman, so hopefully I can get som nice info.....we will see |
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| 15:09.42 | Linux_guy77 | mynullvoid, mr funny guy! no body calls me that! no one calls me CHICKEN! |
| 15:09.44 | mynullvoid | okay here is my turn heh, anyone installed debian on X41 Tablet? |
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| 15:10.11 | mymayer | which is the simples way to get my public ip with debian, when iam sitting after a router ? traceroute ? |
| 15:10.14 | Linux_guy77 | God, fix my laptop! |
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| 15:10.28 | Ronin | sorry gods not in today please leave a msg |
| 15:10.32 | mymayer | i want to biuld a shell script which is calling my dynip server, if it changed |
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| 15:11.25 | Linux_guy77 | How can I reset a chip? Dont say that I have to ask in #hardware, theyre dead there. |
| 15:11.27 | mynullvoid | mymayer: www.whatismyip.com |
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| 15:11.38 | fireba11 | mymayer: also ther are already tools for that |
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| 15:12.01 | fireba11 | someone else that can help me with my kernel kompile problem ? |
| 15:12.06 | mynullvoid | mymayer: check your script config |
| 15:12.20 | mymayer | mynullvoid i want to write a SCRIPT |
| 15:12.28 | mynullvoid | fireba11: yes - yourself |
| 15:12.34 | mymayer | not a website-analizing-scirpt |
| 15:12.37 | fireba11 | lol |
| 15:12.42 | Qiang | i want to have the option of manually upgrading one package but still be able to run apt-get update / upgrade. how do i do that? is there some kind of ignore list for apt-get ? |
| 15:12.56 | fireba11 | Qiang: yes |
| 15:12.56 | mynullvoid | mymayer: you mean dynamic dns? the script give you options and you can set it from there |
| 15:13.23 | mymayer | how to slim down the "traceroute -m 2 -n testhost" to chow only IPs ? |
| 15:13.29 | cheal | Qiang: hum...what about apt-get install foo ? |
| 15:13.41 | Linux_guy77 | How do I get a script that automatically can install win XP? |
| 15:13.47 | stew | Qiang: and maybe /msg dpkg hold |
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| 15:14.00 | Qiang | stew: thanks. me rtfm |
| 15:14.15 | cheal | Qiang: ah I think I understand what you meant by "manually" |
| 15:14.23 | mymayer | how to slim down the "traceroute -m 2 -n testhost" to chow only IPs ? <- can i use some regexe filter function ? |
| 15:14.44 | cheal | Qiang: and in that case stew's factoid will answer your question |
| 15:15.00 | abrotman | mymayer: use awk .. |
| 15:15.06 | abrotman | !tell mymayer about fundamentals |
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| 15:15.11 | abrotman | Linux_guy77: stop trolling |
| 15:15.28 | NewWithoutClue | ip's instead of hosts |
| 15:15.44 | Linux_guy77 | hehe abauer |
| 15:16.02 | Linux_guy77 | k |
| 15:16.03 | abrotman | gah .. he can't even nicktab correctly! |
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| 15:16.20 | mymayer | abrotman bad day ? |
| 15:16.24 | mymayer | .. |
| 15:16.27 | abrotman | mymayer: no .. you're asking basic questions |
| 15:16.34 | mymayer | ah so ? |
| 15:16.40 | abrotman | ah .. so .. READ! |
| 15:16.42 | azeem | abrotman: don't worry, the one you're confused with is the multisync/opensync upstream guy |
| 15:16.51 | mymayer | ia want to write a script to get my public ip, iam sitting behind a router. This is basic ? |
| 15:16.54 | abrotman | azeem: yay! |
| 15:16.54 | Linux_guy77 | dont do the fire bigger then it is |
| 15:17.05 | mymayer | dont think so, tbh |
| 15:17.17 | abrotman | mymayer: what you asked is basic .. you asked how to show only IPs .. that's pretty damn basic |
| 15:17.32 | mynullvoid | mymayer: what is your agent package name? |
| 15:17.45 | mymayer | mynullvoid ? |
| 15:18.03 | mynullvoid | mymayer: you are using dyndns? |
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| 15:18.18 | mymayer | abrotman : traceroute has no command to give a regex...so thats not that simple.. |
| 15:18.31 | mymayer | mynullvoid no, other denyip service |
| 15:18.33 | abrotman | mymayer: ffs .. i told you how to do it .. quit whining |
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| 15:18.43 | abauer | azeem: the bad thing is that im always being confused with abrotman |
| 15:18.48 | abrotman | (not to mention telnet+grep would be easier) |
| 15:18.55 | mymayer | abrotman maybe quit for today and relax.. |
| 15:18.58 | abrotman | abauer: you make it sound like it's a bad thing ... |
| 15:19.03 | abrotman | mymayer: maybe grow a brain ? |
| 15:19.08 | abrotman | abauer: oh .. wait .. |
| 15:19.13 | abauer | abrotman: well... xchat is blinking like a christmas tree |
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| 15:19.49 | azeem | abauer: yeah, don't go to chans where somebody with same first two letters is talking more than 15000 lines a month :) |
| 15:19.50 | abauer | abauer: :) |
| 15:19.55 | licued | abrotman: Do you have any experince with Racoon/OpenSWAN? |
| 15:19.58 | r4staman | hi ppl |
| 15:20.10 | abauer | abrotman: damn. now i even highlight myself :) |
| 15:20.22 | p3rti | hey |
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| 15:20.26 | abrotman | licued: i know that putting bungie cords over the trash can containing the birdseed will not keep the racoons out |
| 15:20.30 | p3rti | someone's know about the unichromme project? |
| 15:20.34 | licued | hehe ;) |
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| 15:20.37 | p3rti | i have the following error |
| 15:20.37 | abrotman | !tell p3rti about unichrome |
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| 15:20.59 | p3rti | then i try to runn glxinfo glxinfo: ../common/drirenderbuffer.c:44: driNewRenderbuffer: Assertion `cpp > 0' failed. |
| 15:21.25 | abrotman | azeem: it's not every month! |
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| 15:21.30 | Fox_1_ | hello |
| 15:21.34 | sandman | Hi |
| 15:21.44 | Fox_1_ | how can i do spam? |
| 15:21.45 | Fox_1_ | :) |
| 15:21.57 | abrotman | Fox_1_: are oyu serious ? |
| 15:22.00 | r4staman | i have a question about http://buildd.debian.org/ . how comes there are never build logs for the same package version ? if the build fails, the version is always increased ? |
| 15:22.05 | Fox_1_ | abrotman yes:) |
| 15:22.13 | abrotman | Fox_1_: you're in the wrong channel |
| 15:22.15 | widrone | Fox_1_: Really? Go away! |
| 15:22.18 | Ronin | Fox_1_: install outlook express, |
| 15:22.19 | azeem | r4staman: I don't understand |
| 15:22.30 | Fox_1_ | :))))) |
| 15:22.39 | abrotman | !permasunday |
| 15:22.39 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 15:23.19 | azeem | mmh, Morrissey |
| 15:23.22 | r4staman | azeem: the autobuilder fetches the sources, does the build. if it fails, can the build be done again from the same package ? |
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| 15:23.54 | sandman | Can I run vino without X? |
| 15:23.57 | sandman | Like vncserver? |
| 15:24.01 | sandman | Except vino? |
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| 15:24.17 | azeem | r4staman: sure, it is being retried usually |
| 15:24.49 | azeem | r4staman: depends on the buildd administrator to decide whether to retry or not |
| 15:25.16 | p3rti | nobody's know? |
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| 15:25.32 | mejo | hello |
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| 15:25.37 | widrone | !tell Fox_1_ about spam |
| 15:25.39 | asperon | i am having a problem with one of my drives |
| 15:25.42 | asperon | it gives me: |
| 15:25.42 | asperon | Nov 10 16:08:49 umbra kernel: hdf: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 15:25.42 | asperon | Nov 10 16:08:49 umbra kernel: hdf: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC } |
| 15:25.42 | asperon | Nov 10 16:08:49 umbra kernel: ide: failed opcode was: unknown |
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| 15:25.47 | r4staman | azeem: what i don't understand is why there aren't duplicated logs for the same version ? i searched lots of packages logs, and everyone doesn't have duplicates for the same version |
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| 15:25.56 | jeanjacques | hello |
| 15:25.58 | StR | hi? |
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| 15:26.03 | mejo | what is a good file manager with webinterface, for webspace accounts? |
| 15:26.05 | azeem | r4staman: sometimes there are |
| 15:26.19 | asperon | strange |
| 15:26.22 | abrotman | p3rti: there is a #unichrome .. but not many people there |
| 15:26.22 | jeanjacques | is it possible to install debian on a computer without having a physical access ? |
| 15:26.28 | abrotman | jeanjacques: yes |
| 15:26.30 | StR | mejo: what are "webspce accounts" ? |
| 15:26.44 | r4staman | azeem: i searched at least 50 packages and couldn't find any. are you sure ? |
| 15:27.01 | mejo | StR: like all these file managers from free webspace providers, where you have a homedirectory, and a webinterface to add, del and edit files. |
| 15:27.02 | jeanjacques | abrotman: i already have woody installed but i would like to make a relly clean re-install |
| 15:27.13 | asperon | anyway, it gives me kernel: hdf: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC }, so i replaced the drive, but the new one gives me the same errors, could this be a driver issue or something else? |
| 15:27.15 | azeem | r4staman: well, what is your underlying problem? |
| 15:27.21 | widrone | jeanjacques: debootstrap |
| 15:27.26 | StR | mejo: ahh IC.. have you try anyone? |
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| 15:27.39 | mejo | StR: i don't know any! |
| 15:27.44 | jeanjacques | widrone: ok i'm gonna look for it |
| 15:28.00 | widrone | !tell jeanjacques about debootstrap |
| 15:28.06 | abrotman | or debtakeover |
| 15:28.20 | widrone | jeanjacques: Part C.4 of the install docs. |
| 15:29.07 | asperon | this only seems to happen when DMA is enabled, and then the ide gets reset and DMA disabled |
| 15:29.16 | mejo | StR: do you know a software (at best available in debian) that provides such functionality? |
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| 15:29.31 | abrotman | !clean up widrone |
| 15:29.53 | sci3nc3 | hi every one |
| 15:30.12 | StR | mejo: you mean a filebrowser web-application |
| 15:30.21 | StR | mejo: like writen in PHP |
| 15:30.27 | widrone | abrotman: Hm, didnt know about the takeover. Thats nice, thanks a lot. |
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| 15:30.52 | r4staman | azeem: i was thinking about binary packages clobbering. but i just realised debian doesn't have this problem. our autobuild system can build from the same version when it isn't really the same version (it builds sources from svn), so binary packages can be mistakenly overwritten |
| 15:31.13 | abrotman | widrone: i'm ont sure it's actually maintained anymore .. but it was nice at the time |
| 15:31.28 | mejo | StR: exactly. |
| 15:31.47 | asperon | could this be a cable problem? |
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| 15:32.12 | sci3nc3 | i've made a nasty thing on my server :-S ive changed permitions recursively on directories and files |
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| 15:32.32 | sci3nc3 | is there a way to fix permitions ? (withou reinstaling) |
| 15:32.35 | abrotman | asperon: maybe a bad ide chipset that isn't fully compliant ? |
| 15:32.41 | r4staman | azeem: but thanks anyway |
| 15:32.48 | mejo | StR: i search something that provides such functionality out of the box, as it's only for few users, and i've no time to write one on my own. and as several webmail/webwiki/web... solutions exist, i thought that maybe a filebrowser webapplication exists too. |
| 15:33.28 | Linux_guy77 | security chips suck! |
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| 15:33.51 | asperon | abrotman: but the same controller worked nice in my old box, i just moved it over to this one a couple of weeks ago |
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| 15:34.30 | asperon | abrotman: its a Silicon Image, Inc. PCI0680 Ultra ATA-133 Host Controller |
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| 15:35.26 | abrotman | asperon: that means nothing to me |
| 15:35.36 | abrotman | (except .. i don't like Sil :) |
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| 15:35.43 | asperon | ok, there is support for it in the 2.6 kernel |
| 15:35.53 | abrotman | asperon: does the same error happen with a 2.4 kernel ? |
| 15:36.15 | ab | Have a quick Q: I was transfering about 4gigs of data buy taring on machine A, scp'ing to machine B and untaring, the untaring took about 3-4 hours. I just now tried piping the tar thru ssh and the whole process only takes 50min, Im confused on how its so much faster? |
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| 15:36.32 | asperon | abrotman: dono, never run it under 2.4, but it ran fine under 2.6 on the old box, even if that was an earlier version (now i am running 2.6.12 i think the old one was 2.6.3) |
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| 15:38.24 | enveezee | ab: I dont follow what you mean by piping through ssh, but you must realize that in any case, transferring data using a compressed protocol instead of physically compressing, transfering then decompressing is going to generally be faster |
| 15:38.27 | ziupiu | ab, ssh compression pheraps |
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| 15:42.22 | madclicker | hey guys, what happend to etch, i cant install any kde packages |
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| 15:45.30 | enveezee | madclicker: you're welcom |
| 15:45.31 | mut | what happened to the rescue image on the debian installer? |
| 15:45.48 | mut | can ya specify root= with the current? |
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| 15:46.01 | mut | cuzz i tried and it said NOOOOOO |
| 15:46.02 | enveezee | madclicker: consider it a favor |
| 15:46.11 | licued | http://pastebin.com/424465 ... what would this indicate? |
| 15:46.14 | madclicker | huh? |
| 15:46.26 | licued | that I don't have certain modules compiled into my kernel? |
| 15:46.32 | madclicker | enveezee, all is well? |
| 15:46.48 | madclicker | enveezee, how is the meds? |
| 15:46.56 | enveezee | madclicker: havent taken them yet |
| 15:47.02 | madclicker | you taking them on regular basis? |
| 15:47.12 | madclicker | o...ohhh |
| 15:47.21 | abrotman | asperon: maybe ask #kernel ? |
| 15:47.21 | enveezee | the guy at the liquor store says I am the morning drunk |
| 15:47.25 | enveezee | I guess its a regular basis |
| 15:47.33 | abrotman | enveezee: that's better than the all day drunk ? |
| 15:47.39 | enveezee | he says then my cousin jeff is the evening drunk |
| 15:47.40 | madclicker | enveezee, you know just between me and you.......(whispers), it shows |
| 15:47.48 | mut | anyone? |
| 15:49.11 | enveezee | I am scratching Chuck off my shit list btw.. hes not a complete ass, you just got to try real hard to conversate about something he can relate to or his small-talk comes out in the form of terrible attempts at humor |
| 15:49.30 | enveezee | I stood down there in the Wine & Spirits store and talked to him for over an hour this morning |
| 15:49.44 | enveezee | he even is hooking me up again. |
| 15:50.55 | enveezee | he also made an interesting point that I had been thinking about somewhere in the back of my mind about the last client he hooked me up with |
| 15:53.35 | enveezee | He said I should ask that woman's daughter out. I don't know her that well. But I know her well enough to know she's properly sprung unlike the rest of the wackos I meet on a daily basis |
| 15:54.02 | Ronin | enveezee: one for me too pleae |
| 15:54.08 | enveezee | heh |
| 15:54.18 | enveezee | I dont know where you are, but they probably dont deliver there |
| 15:54.19 | thingfish | man, we can't get pizza here where I live this early. |
| 15:54.31 | enveezee | its almost 11am I am hoping I can get pizza |
| 15:54.38 | Ronin | enveezee: its ok if it takes a bit, cold pizza is just as good |
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| 15:54.48 | ganymed | hallo. does anybody know where i can acquire reliable benchmarks about windows/linux performance? |
| 15:55.14 | enveezee | gonna call Vocelli's just got to decide if I will call the one in Ambridge or the one in Sewickley.. approxamately the exact same distance from my house in oppisite directions |
| 15:56.09 | enveezee | I think the one in Ambridge would make more sense.. the main road is closed between those towns and they would have to take the highway where as the sewickley driver would probably take a rural route and go slower |
| 15:56.47 | madclicker | right out of a book |
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| 15:58.18 | rage_ | hey, dselect told me: PLEASE PURGE THE HOTPLUG PACAGE! ... how would i go about doing this ;] |
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| 15:58.47 | abrotman | rage_: dpkg -P hotplug |
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| 15:58.55 | rage_ | ahh |
| 15:58.58 | enveezee | that lady at Vocelli's in ambridge sounded like a robot, I though I was talking to a recording I had to say hello about 3 times before I was convinced I was talking to someone |
| 15:59.02 | rage_ | abrotman thanks once again ;] |
| 15:59.10 | abrotman | once again ? |
| 15:59.20 | enveezee | abrotman: you are helpful all the time |
| 15:59.26 | rage_ | yah, you helped me like 5 times last night iirc |
| 15:59.27 | saik0_ | building a debian package should be as easy as apt-get source package and dpkg -b directory packake.eb....or am I totally missiong something |
| 15:59.30 | enveezee | abrotman: except when you are not |
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| 16:00.24 | egas | I'm having problem with the file DebianNet.pm ... |
| 16:00.28 | egas | Can't locate DebianNet.pm in @INC (@INC contains: |
| 16:00.35 | abrotman | egas: /msg dpkg search |
| 16:00.45 | abrotman | rage_: oh ok |
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| 16:01.08 | enveezee | wtf is @INC anyhow?! I imagine it has something to do with including or importing functions in perl |
| 16:01.16 | egas | abrotman: ok... tks... |
| 16:01.38 | abrotman | enveezee: it's perl .. like import from python or include from C/C++ |
| 16:01.41 | abrotman | afaik anyways |
| 16:02.13 | enveezee | abrotman: yeah but the only time I seen it is in that error, and the way its worded, sounds like its some kind of variable or something |
| 16:02.28 | enveezee | abrotman: its neither a function or the command to import one AFAIK |
| 16:02.30 | abrotman | though .. how egas can't find it .. i'm not sure |
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| 16:02.45 | abrotman | enveezee: let's ask dondelelcaro !! |
| 16:03.27 | enveezee | ow |
| 16:03.31 | enveezee | fuck |
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| 16:04.16 | enveezee | I was scratching the back of my shoulder and it felt like I damn near tore a pec |
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| 16:04.26 | thingfish | kingsley will get you for that. |
| 16:04.27 | enveezee | fucker cramed up on me or something |
| 16:04.33 | enveezee | cramped even |
| 16:04.37 | abrotman | thingfish: hehe .. |
| 16:04.42 | abrotman | thingfish: anythign come of that ? |
| 16:04.48 | thingfish | it's called getting old, enveezee. |
| 16:05.06 | enveezee | I'm too young to get old :-/ |
| 16:05.07 | thingfish | abrotman: I don't know, don't have the slightest clue. I was hoping maybe you knew. |
| 16:05.10 | enveezee | heh |
| 16:05.15 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 16:05.53 | abrotman | thingfish: i talked to him a bit .. he was asking dondelelcaro some questions in another channel .. not sure |
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| 16:06.58 | enveezee | I had another minor problem this morning.. broke a fuckin nail.. big ol hangnail.. had to go see Christine at the drugstore get me some damn nail clippers :P |
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| 16:07.10 | abrotman | enveezee: zaurus! |
| 16:07.13 | thingfish | abrotman: I can't see dondelelcaro taking him *too* seriously...I could be wrong, but I think he was just a disgruntled freenode user. |
| 16:07.24 | enveezee | abrotman: the zaurus doesnt clip hangnails |
| 16:07.34 | bb1260 | Hi everybody |
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| 16:07.50 | abrotman | thingfish: well .. ffs .. the curse words he was counting .. were kind of lame .. and the bans .. probably 1/2 were those damn spambots |
| 16:07.56 | Fox_1_ | from where can i get information about MSN and yahoo messangers? I mean commands. |
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| 16:08.21 | abrotman | Fox_1_: from msn.com and yahoo.com ? |
| 16:08.22 | enveezee | that girl has got to be like I'd say 18 at the least by now, she still looks 12 |
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| 16:08.53 | jeanjacques | how can i see if fcgi is working properly (for ruby on rails ) ? |
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| 16:09.13 | jeanjacques | because localhost:3000 doesn't answer me anything |
| 16:09.23 | enveezee | be thankful if you grow up.. seems like a lot of people never do |
| 16:09.28 | thingfish | abrotman: yeah, I saw too, some of his log at least. |
| 16:10.11 | enveezee | I think I am going to get a shower I cant stop scratching |
| 16:10.11 | thingfish | He struck me as someone in dire need of anti-obsessive-compulsive medication. |
| 16:10.18 | enveezee | I'm all irritated |
| 16:10.24 | thingfish | hehe enveezee |
| 16:10.52 | enveezee | hmm when did I order that fucking pizza |
| 16:11.07 | thingfish | use a moisturizing soap or your skin will just get dryer and itch more. |
| 16:11.13 | enveezee | I probably got 15min if I hurry |
| 16:11.15 | thingfish | it was about 20 minutes ago. |
| 16:11.28 | enveezee | thingfish: I dont know if I have a moisturising soap.. heh |
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| 16:12.25 | enveezee | when I was living with cara I didnt have to think about that one.. I knew I had that crap.. one smelled like lavender and the other smelled like something less girly not sure wtf it was |
| 16:12.36 | abrotman | you sohuld call her |
| 16:12.45 | enveezee | fuck her :P |
| 16:12.48 | abrotman | you would |
| 16:12.54 | enveezee | she probably doesnt even have a phone anymore |
| 16:12.57 | enveezee | no I wouldnt |
| 16:13.03 | enveezee | I would like to, that doesnt mean I will. |
| 16:13.06 | abrotman | if she were clean? .. and semi-normal |
| 16:13.15 | enveezee | I had the chance many times if I would have |
| 16:14.25 | simon__ | hi all i need to know if someone have problem in unstable when mounting an external usb hard disk . i cant mounted. the file system is in FAT32. when i was under gnome it was detected automaticaly but now under kde no even i have hotplug installed. when i try to mount it (sda sda1) it return an error |
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| 16:14.36 | enveezee | if she would just simply realize that she met that asshole way too young and has yet to experience life.. and he keeps getting in trouble to stay in jail so he doesnt have to have any responsibilities in life.. getting her to lay off the drugs and be happy on a regular basis would not be a problem |
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| 16:15.01 | enveezee | then yes, I would be all over her. |
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| 16:15.33 | abrotman | simon__: did you try again in gnome ? |
| 16:15.48 | abrotman | enveezee: see .. maybe she changed! |
| 16:15.54 | rage_ | heh, sorry to ask what is probably another newb question, but, i just upgraded to testing, and a couple apps are whining that /dev/null is Permission Denied, anyone know of a way to fix that? should i chmod 777 /dev/null? |
| 16:16.38 | bibe | rage_ : /dev/null has to be 666 |
| 16:16.41 | rage_ | ahh |
| 16:16.58 | enveezee | abrotman: I doubt it. I spent all that time in Tx and she changed alright.. she went downhill cause that asshole went to jail and left her to watch his kid on weekends (not her kid) and take care of herself, her house, dogs, cars..etc |
| 16:17.00 | abrotman | mine is 777 |
| 16:17.05 | abrotman | bibe: ^ |
| 16:17.23 | abrotman | er wait .. that was a gentoo box |
| 16:17.28 | rage_ | bibe that got it, thanks! |
| 16:17.36 | rage_ | now let's see if gnome will start; ] |
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| 16:17.40 | saik0_ | Can you grub install in a chroot without messing up your mbr? |
| 16:17.44 | abrotman | enveezee: you could 'rescue' her |
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| 16:18.02 | thc | saik0_: uh, a grub install in a chroot is going to overwrite your mbr. |
| 16:18.04 | abrotman | enveezee: though .. some people don't want rescued :) |
| 16:18.51 | simon__ | no i removed gnome before installing kde |
| 16:19.00 | abrotman | maybe ask #debian-kde ? |
| 16:19.02 | saik0_ | thc, yea...thats why i want to know is theres some way to just install grub without toching the mbr because i want to use it as a pxe bootloader |
| 16:19.09 | abrotman | i know gnome has stuff to automount .. dunno about kde ... |
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| 16:19.22 | wang | where are PEM certs kept on debian? |
| 16:19.24 | enveezee | abrotman: yeah well I tried that already. I she gave me a place to stay, I kept her yard, her dog, shopped, cooked, fixed her car (more than once)... what she needed at the time was just some hard sex from a stranger and for her looser to get out of jail. I am not a piece of ass for someone else's bitch :P |
| 16:19.36 | bibe | abrotman : why is it 777? |
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| 16:19.53 | abrotman | bibe: fuck if i know .. it's gentoo .. i don't admin the box ... it was just a shell i had open |
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| 16:20.08 | abrotman | enveezee: how long ago was that? |
| 16:20.17 | abrotman | zimnyx: depends on the phase of the moon |
| 16:20.21 | Kovecses | zimnyx, yes i found the same |
| 16:20.35 | abrotman | for me currently .. (running gnome) it's perfectly fine |
| 16:20.51 | enveezee | abrotman: my cousin amber lived with us for a few weeks and seeing those two pretty young girls on a daily basis moping around feeling sorry for themselves was just too much for me. they didnt want to do anything to make them feel better they just wanted to mask the pain with drugs and sit alone in a room writing letters to their jailbirds. |
| 16:20.52 | wang | where are PEM certs kept on debian? i'm trying to get fetchmail to fetch mail from my gmail accounrt |
| 16:20.56 | wang | where are PEM certs kept on debian? i'm trying to get fetchmail to fetch mail from my gmail account |
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| 16:20.59 | enveezee | abrotman: they both are in love with loosers in jail |
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| 16:21.12 | wang | how loose are the loosers? |
| 16:21.24 | zimnyx | Kovecses: docs say different ;/ |
| 16:21.26 | bibe | wang : simply use freepops (debian package) |
| 16:21.32 | wang | ok thanks |
| 16:21.42 | enveezee | abrotman: I dunno how long have I been back here? maybe 3 months or something I cant remember |
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| 16:21.45 | Kovecses | zimnyx, im staying with sarge for the time being |
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| 16:21.52 | abrotman | enveezee: but wasn't it beofre you went to TX ? |
| 16:21.56 | imex | hi there all |
| 16:22.03 | enveezee | abrotman: I was there before and after TX |
| 16:22.04 | bibe | wang : it acts like a local pop3 server and can manage zillions of webmail-enabled domains |
| 16:22.07 | abrotman | enveezee: ah ok |
| 16:22.18 | enveezee | abrotman: I lived with her when I came back from TX because I didnt have a place in Morgantown. |
| 16:22.26 | abrotman | okeedokee! |
| 16:22.32 | imex | I was trying to install aprogram and this is what error is : Package requirements (gtk+-2.0 >= 2.6.0)were not met. |
| 16:22.35 | wang | bibe: nice, will it echo "You have new mail" in a bitchx session/terminal? |
| 16:22.37 | bibe | wang : then you configure fetchmail to retrieve mail from localhost:2000 |
| 16:22.43 | zimnyx | abrotman: so there's no stability difference in etch and sid ? |
| 16:22.46 | abrotman | imex: what package |
| 16:22.50 | enveezee | abrotman: I came there to renew my lisc because the laws in PA wouldnt let me get one anytime soon. I let it run out for 6mo while I was in tx and I had to get a permit and have it for liek 6mo or something in pa. |
| 16:22.51 | imex | and i try search on Debian and no result, can someone point me |
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| 16:23.14 | bibe | wang : your system echoes "You have new mail" in every terminal, not freepops |
| 16:23.17 | abrotman | zimnyx: depends on the phase of the moon .. etch is going through the growing pains sid was a few weeks ago .. and apparently sid is about to get it again |
| 16:23.31 | abrotman | enveezee: stupid laws! |
| 16:23.35 | Kovecses | is azureus the bittorrent client you guys would recomened? |
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| 16:23.39 | imex | it says gtk+-2.0 >= 2.6.0 and i tried search and install all the gtk2 |
| 16:23.50 | imex | available in Debian |
| 16:23.51 | abrotman | imex: what package are you trying to install ? |
| 16:24.01 | imex | gxine |
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| 16:24.08 | abrotman | !depends gxine |
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| 16:24.14 | abrotman | imex: in sarge or etch or sid ? |
| 16:24.15 | dpkg | gxine: depends on libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.9.0), libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0), libice6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.8.2), libsm6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libsmjs1, libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxaw8, libxine1 (>= 1.0.1), libxt6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxtst6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1) |
| 16:24.16 | bibe | Kovecses : azureus is java-based, I personally dislike almost everything java-based |
| 16:24.22 | wang | bibe: how do i do that? it echo'd it when i was using balsa, but not evolution/thunderbird |
| 16:24.28 | Kovecses | bibe, what do you recomened? |
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| 16:24.41 | imex | sarge |
| 16:24.45 | bibe | Kovecses : bittorrent or bittornado |
| 16:24.49 | enveezee | abrotman: after I got my lisc I was ready to come back to PGH but I asked around if there was any work, and I found some, and bought tools and stuff, and I was just floping with anyone I knew.. and I had dogs pissing on my bed, and living in houses with a bunch of morons partying and drinking all my beer and shit.. heh so one day she offered for me to stay there. and it worked out for awhile. |
| 16:24.49 | Kovecses | cool |
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| 16:25.16 | nite613 | Kovecses: The java issue aside, Azureus really is an awesom BT client |
| 16:25.48 | bibe | wang : to have "You have new mail" echoed, you need to have mail delivered locally. Then you can use your email client to retrieve mail from /var/mail/wang |
| 16:25.51 | imex | abrotman : so i have to search for all those libs? |
| 16:26.09 | abrotman | imex: no wait |
| 16:26.10 | nite613 | I run it on an Celeron 1200 with 256M of ram and it performs just great. In terms of features it really can't be beat |
| 16:26.17 | abrotman | !depends gxine sarge |
| 16:26.26 | imex | abrotman : ok |
| 16:26.35 | bibe | I use two imaps accounts directly from evolution, when I receive mail there "You've got mail" won't be echoed in my terminals |
| 16:26.37 | abrotman | imex: you're not running sarge .. gxine isn't in sarge |
| 16:26.38 | ken_ | i'm on ubuntu which says its a debian server Trying to install a program but it won't install. Says not a debian package. Its a linux distro which i've seen running on a debian server. anyone know how to install programs off webpages to ubuntu linux |
| 16:26.43 | wang | bibe:bibe: how do i do that |
| 16:26.52 | abrotman | ken_: ask #ubuntu |
| 16:27.01 | bibe | wang: sudo apt-get install freepops |
| 16:27.06 | imex | nite613 : i m on a c733 with 128mb & buiklt-in video/sound |
| 16:27.07 | ken_ | i did they had no anwser |
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| 16:27.17 | aleix | hi, anyone getting "grep: error while loading shared libraries: libpcre.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" in unstable. i have checked, and the file exists. |
| 16:27.21 | abrotman | !they don't know |
| 16:27.21 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
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| 16:27.31 | aleix | (during startup) |
| 16:27.42 | fbi | #ubuntu needs something in their topic that tells them not to ask shit in here, just because they don't fucking know |
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| 16:27.44 | imex | abrotman : i download it, sorry I should have mentioned |
| 16:27.58 | abrotman | imex: well .. debian has dependencies |
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| 16:28.13 | abrotman | imex: /msg dpkg simple sid backport .. or /msg dpkg backports |
| 16:28.21 | bibe | wang : and then, in /etc/fetchmailrc or in ~/.fetchmailrc, use "poll localhost with proto POP3 port 2000 user 'wang@gmail.com' there with password 'hehehe' is 'wang' here" |
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| 16:28.43 | ken_ | maybe i should go back to windows seems even linux users can't get along |
| 16:28.52 | abrotman | imex: though .. TBH .. have you tried totem ? |
| 16:29.03 | abrotman | ken_: ubuntu is its own distro .. really .. it is |
| 16:29.17 | fbi | ken_: it has nothing to do with 'getting along'. you aren't running Debian. this is a Debian channel. what don't you get about that. |
| 16:29.19 | imex | abrotman : it didnt work for rmvb (real media video files) |
| 16:29.24 | fbi | wait. you're right, go back to windows. |
| 16:29.27 | abrotman | imex: oh ok |
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| 16:29.45 | abrotman | imex: i doubt intsalling another frontend to xine will fix it :) |
| 16:29.54 | imex | abrotman : let me try figure out something, maybe this not the best |
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| 16:29.56 | abrotman | imex: have you tried mplayer or the w32codecs ? |
| 16:30.04 | imex | abrotman : u are quick on that |
| 16:30.14 | abrotman | quick on what ? |
| 16:30.14 | enveezee | abrotman: anyhow out of all the women in my life there are probably 3 especially significant ones that I really enjoy being with.. coincidentally their names are pretty much the same. Cara falls in at #2 I would say, Sara and Tara on the other hand I havent seen since I've been back from TX |
| 16:30.14 | Kovecses | so guys can you help me install slackware??? lol |
| 16:30.17 | ken_ | it says its a debian server debian based just thought maybe you knew smething they could'nt figure out since it was |
| 16:30.19 | imex | abrotman : i will try look for it now, is it in sarge? |
| 16:30.28 | fbi | ken |
| 16:30.35 | fbi | we don't support 'debian based' |
| 16:30.39 | abrotman | imex: no .. /msg dpkg marillat .. /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 16:30.40 | ganymed | ciao |
| 16:30.41 | fbi | how many times do you need to be told this |
| 16:30.48 | abrotman | eegads .. someone is using Ubuntu for a server ? |
| 16:30.51 | imex | within here? |
| 16:30.57 | Kovecses | he said his server is debian though |
| 16:30.59 | abrotman | imex: yes .. dpkg will tell you stuff |
| 16:31.03 | ken_ | i am |
| 16:31.10 | fbi | no, he said debian based |
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| 16:31.23 | ken_ | have webmin installed |
| 16:31.24 | zimnyx | abrotman: is etch gonna become more stable in future? |
| 16:31.33 | abrotman | zimnyx: supposedly |
| 16:31.34 | nite613 | zimnyx: THat's the idea! |
| 16:31.35 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 16:31.35 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/10/msg00004.html |
| 16:31.39 | abrotman | zimnyx: see that URL |
| 16:31.57 | zimnyx | abrotman: thankjs |
| 16:31.59 | zimnyx | nite613: :) |
| 16:32.00 | Kovecses | ken_, why on earth would you use ubuntu for a server? |
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| 16:32.06 | imex | abrotman : neat .. i think i will have fun on that project |
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| 16:32.16 | abrotman | he has webmin installed on his ubuntu server ? |
| 16:32.22 | fbi | "because the cd came free with pc world magazine" |
| 16:32.25 | imex | abrotman : its been 6 hrs i had been working on that video thing |
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| 16:32.45 | abrotman | imex: ah .. yeah .. mplayer has codecs that have patent issues .. so it's not allowed in debian |
| 16:32.51 | ken_ | next program i need to install is on web not a package because of its desktop version which promised a more automated like windows desktop |
| 16:33.08 | LabThug | Does anyone in here use the php5 packages from people.debian.org/~dexter with apache2? I just upgraded from php5 to php5.0... Finally got everything working. However, I've lost my $_POST arrays. Any ideas on how to get back? |
| 16:33.12 | fbi | ken_: seriously. go away. you aren't going to get support for ubuntu in here. |
| 16:33.26 | abrotman | LabThug: ask #php .. i believe it's a setting in the php.ini |
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| 16:33.54 | LabThug | abrotman: thanks. I asked, but they are still chatting on something else. I was getting impatient :-) |
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| 16:34.09 | imex | abrotman : oh no so what should i get then, easiest and best .... i guess i am being greedy |
| 16:34.13 | abrotman | LabThug: oh .. ask again in like 15 minutes(though i suppose this is a live server eh? ) |
| 16:34.29 | abrotman | imex: supposedly mplayer is the best .. i just use the codecs with totem/xine .. works fine |
| 16:34.33 | LabThug | live, but not production. So it's not biggie if I have to wait |
| 16:34.36 | abrotman | (FSVO fine) |
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| 16:34.57 | ken_ | so linux will never survive no wonder its not getting support can't work together as a team time to go back to windows sorry i bothered u |
| 16:35.12 | EdibleText | ken_, install debian. |
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| 16:35.20 | Kovecses | ken_, are you just lost? |
| 16:35.25 | abrotman | LabThug: http://www.php.net/manual/en/ini.core.php#ini.register-globals .. not sure if that's gonna help or not |
| 16:35.28 | enveezee | fbi: lets pretend you are in a field eating a pork chop off the bone.. now if a hungry lion comes sniffing around, would you be more likely to get rid of him by poking at him with the bone, or tossing it at him and dissaperaing while he's distracted |
| 16:35.36 | abrotman | !d-i kenboo |
| 16:35.37 | Kovecses | ken_, you are taking this the wrong way |
| 16:35.37 | dpkg | kenboo, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 16:35.39 | abrotman | !d-i ken_ |
| 16:35.40 | dpkg | ken_, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 16:35.40 | abrotman | yay! |
| 16:35.47 | ken_ | i did debian was difficult to use as a server too |
| 16:35.48 | LabThug | abrotman: I'll ty it. Thanks! |
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| 16:35.53 | abrotman | it's a damn server .. |
| 16:36.02 | abrotman | it's not supposed to run X or webmin or clicky tools |
| 16:36.09 | imex | abrotman : thansk again, i am tryting to get it now |
| 16:36.22 | enveezee | its not even suppose to have anything to clicky with |
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| 16:36.32 | fbi | enveezee: i really don't have time for your profound metaphors, i'm not going to support ubuntu. if you wish to, go right ahead. |
| 16:36.35 | abrotman | "HELP .. KDE crashed my web server while i was using it to bittorrent movies from china and watch WMVs" |
| 16:36.54 | Vilerage | *sigh* anyone know what to do about an empty /dev/pts directory? |
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| 16:37.01 | abrotman | maybe i should add that to !irritate :) |
| 16:37.06 | Vilerage | or, how to re-populate it ;] |
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| 16:37.14 | ken_ | webmin works fine on ubuntu every linux disto i tried same problem u can only install there packages |
| 16:37.19 | enveezee | fbi: its not about supporting ubuntu its about being smart not tough. you give them the closest debian answer you have, and when it doesnt work, they will see first hand why they cant get support on ubuntu from debian people |
| 16:37.28 | Kovecses | fbi, why dont you stop being so pissy |
| 16:37.45 | fbi | Kovecses: why don't you fucking ignore me if my text is upsetting you |
| 16:37.49 | enveezee | fbi: as you notice you just agitated him making him a more ferose troll :P |
| 16:37.51 | fbi | mind your own business |
| 16:38.08 | Kovecses | what are we 12 years old fbi ? |
| 16:38.15 | abrotman | ken_: so you refuse to install debian but are demanding help for ubuntu from us ? |
| 16:38.18 | fbi | enveezee: i know what you are saying. point is, i don't join #ubuntu when i can't figure out something in Debian |
| 16:38.30 | fbi | Kovecses: wow, you really got me there. |
| 16:38.33 | fbi | *plonk* |
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| 16:38.42 | enveezee | fbi: right cause there are more people here, and they know more ;) |
| 16:38.52 | rmrfchik | does anybody connect debain with Nortel Connectivity VPN? |
| 16:38.52 | enveezee | fbi: thats why people come here for support with other things |
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| 16:39.16 | Kovecses | ken_, next time..... just dont tell these people you are on ubuntu lol |
| 16:39.24 | abrotman | Kovecses: DO NOT do that |
| 16:39.25 | fbi | enveezee: i understand that. i don't wish to support those users. if you want to, go right ahead. |
| 16:39.27 | ken_ | i already tried debian redhat mandrake kde gentoo among some 100 others ubuntu has been the easiest so far |
| 16:39.54 | abrotman | Kovecses: that's gotta be the dumbest fucking thing i've heard since .. the guy who wanted to remove auth from ssh last weekend |
| 16:40.02 | EdibleText | ken_, apperantly not that easy ;) |
| 16:40.02 | enveezee | fbi: I dont want to either to be honest. but it seems like giving them a non-working debian answer and letting them see for themself works best |
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| 16:40.23 | Kovecses | abrotman, umm joke.... yeah hence the lol] |
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| 16:40.53 | Kovecses | have you guys ever read the majority of debian reveiws? |
| 16:41.05 | fbi | remove auth from ssh? hahaha wtf |
| 16:41.07 | enveezee | fbi: I just want you to realize that either not commenting or giving a debian answer seem to be the best ways of dealing with it, or else you end up looking like a troll too.. at least to some people, and as you can see you dont want that either. |
| 16:41.10 | abrotman | Kovecses: yes .. don't .. because then people do it .. and then we waste tons of time tracking down Kurumin errors |
| 16:41.22 | LabThug | abrotman. Thanks. I didnt need to adjust that setting, but it alerted me to the fact that the new package still had all of the defaults, which my configurations requires to be changed in order to work |
| 16:41.33 | abrotman | LabThug: got it worked out then ? |
| 16:41.46 | fbi | enveezee: i really don't care if people consider me a troll. it's pixels. i help who i can, and refuse to help people who aren't running Debian. |
| 16:41.47 | LabThug | yes, thanky mucho |
| 16:41.54 | imex | ken : I recently download 4 different distro and so far Debian Sarge is the only one works well with me |
| 16:41.56 | fbi | that's my choice. |
| 16:42.00 | ken_ | wearing my hardrive out trying all these to run into same problems does debian have an automated install program or is it same you have to build your steps and connect the docs shhhheeeesssssh thats time consuming when on windows its just point and click and run |
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| 16:42.20 | sandman | ken_: You can point and click and run. |
| 16:42.21 | valdyn_ | ken_: use windows |
| 16:42.23 | loca|host | hello |
| 16:42.28 | imex | this is the 10th+x times i reinstalled |
| 16:42.43 | Kovecses | ken_, installing distros wont wear out your hard drive |
| 16:42.44 | abrotman | dude .. that guy is so damn trolling |
| 16:42.45 | loca|host | am trying to install debian sarge on my new dell scsi server, it says that there's no partitionable media :( why debian does not detect my hard disk ? |
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| 16:42.53 | imex | ken : i also have 3 mroe pcs running Windoze |
| 16:43.01 | abrotman | loca|host: which controller ? |
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| 16:43.32 | enveezee | fbi: mine too and we'll drop it now. but when I decide I dont want to be a part of a relationship anymore I generally don't become involved anymore. if I keep calling or whatever this person won't understand I am not interested. |
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| 16:43.39 | loca|host | Where can i get this information ? |
| 16:43.48 | enveezee | If you dont want to be bothered, don't be bothered |
| 16:43.53 | abrotman | loca|host: from Dell ? |
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| 16:44.11 | petemc | loca|host: get the debian dell iso, first hit on google |
| 16:44.23 | Kovecses | i still dont understand the hype behind ubuntu |
| 16:44.27 | abrotman | !dell |
| 16:44.27 | dpkg | [dell] a wonderful company that makes very wonderful laptops, but also some extremely bad laptops. For new ISOs to boot your Dell server, look at http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/, or the worst company you could ever do business with, or crap, or http://www.domsch.com/linux/ |
| 16:44.49 | loca|host | ok thx |
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| 16:45.14 | petemc | its great that jerks think their opinions are important enough to go into factoids |
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| 16:45.43 | ken_ | bb going try debian one more time if its not point click install without of configuration i pass back to windows seems everything is built for windows anyway |
| 16:45.45 | abrotman | petemc: it used to not say that about the laptops .. but the worst comany thing was mine :) |
| 16:45.54 | petemc | tut tut |
| 16:46.02 | abrotman | it's been there for .. a very very long time |
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| 16:46.10 | abrotman | dunno where the crap thing came from |
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| 16:46.19 | nykheyn | hello. i was being try of perform a dist-upgrade, but i had the same error like i try to install a non-stable package (debian sarge, the old sarge in testing version yet) |
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| 16:46.33 | nykheyn | nykheyn ciao ragazzi, stavo effettuando una dist-upgrade, ma mi è venuto fuori un errore (in fase di dist'upgrade |
| 16:46.33 | nykheyn | MoOo non capisco |
| 16:46.33 | nykheyn | nykheyn E: Quest'installazione necessita della rimozione temporanea del pacchetto essenz iale e2fsprogs a causa di un loop Conflitto/Pre-Dipendenza. Questo non bene, ma se si vuole farlo, si attivi l'opzione APT::Force-LoopBreak |
| 16:46.33 | nykheyn | nykheyn E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs |
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| 16:46.43 | abrotman | !fr |
| 16:46.43 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 16:46.46 | enveezee | petemc: its also great that jerks think their conflicting opinions hold enough significance than someone elses. |
| 16:46.52 | EdibleText | !it |
| 16:46.52 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 16:46.55 | fbi | isn't that italian? |
| 16:47.00 | valdyn_ | nykheyn: dont paste, preceed your command with LC_ALL=C |
| 16:47.05 | abrotman | oh yeah .. it is :) |
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| 16:47.09 | petemc | enveezee: whats that supposed to mean? |
| 16:47.18 | abrotman | valdyn_: htf did you decode that ? |
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| 16:47.23 | enveezee | petemc: lost in translation |
| 16:47.27 | fbi | nykheyn: /msg dpkg e2fsprogs loop |
| 16:47.49 | abrotman | !moo |
| 16:47.49 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 16:47.57 | fbi | !oink |
| 16:47.57 | dpkg | i guess oink is the best cs server: oink.kicks-ass.net |
| 16:48.11 | enveezee | sucks being a yinzer. its taken me 22 years to be able to even learn to speak my mind.. now getting others to understand is a whole new problem |
| 16:48.11 | nykheyn | ok, thanks |
| 16:48.22 | valdyn_ | abrotman: its italian.. |
| 16:48.30 | repp_ | haha, /resize |
| 16:48.39 | petemc | enveezee: i expressed no opinions, other than i think no ones opinion should go into a factoid like "dell" - you disagree? |
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| 16:49.43 | EdibleText | azog, dont irc as root. |
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| 16:50.35 | loca|host | i have an old cobalt cube, i would like if it's possible to install dsl debian on it ? |
| 16:50.38 | wang | what is a poll in regards to fetching mail? |
| 16:50.54 | imex | !moo |
| 16:50.54 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 16:51.01 | imex | cute |
| 16:51.06 | repp_ | Ok, I've found a solution to a problem I had getting wireless working on my laptop. I think that others may benefit from what I've learned. Where should I post this information? |
| 16:51.19 | valdyn_ | wang: polling just means 'ask for' |
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| 16:51.27 | cavediver | Hi. I have problems exporting dmcrypt devices using nfs-kernel-server. The mounts are empty. It works with nfs-user-server, however it has an annoying 2GB limit on files. Is it posible to use dmcrypt (cryptsetup-luks) with nfs-kernel-server ? |
| 16:51.46 | petemc | repp_: stick it on a website and let google do the rest |
| 16:51.49 | cavediver | It feels bad to use samba. |
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| 16:52.43 | repp_ | petemc: I'd prefer to use a wiki or mailing list. I have no desire to a) set up a page that I have to maintain and b) link to it from somewhere and c) wait for google to index information that may be obsolete in 3 months |
| 16:53.07 | valdyn_ | wang: since you are talking about mail though, you're probably referring to pop3, pop3 works by clients ( like fetchmail ) asking for the mail, and getting it.. |
| 16:53.11 | petemc | repp_: fair enough, dont then |
| 16:53.28 | EdibleText | enveezee, perhaps someone has traveled backwards in time and cause you not to exist |
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| 16:53.36 | repp_ | Ah, http://wiki.debian.org should do the trick, now I just need to find an appropriate node to hang this information off of. |
| 16:54.02 | wang | what is a poll in regards to fetching mail? |
| 16:54.02 | enveezee | EdibleText: oh well. |
| 16:54.11 | valdyn_ | wang: i just told you |
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| 16:54.18 | EdibleText | !test enveezee |
| 16:54.19 | dpkg | Testing enveezee... ROM BASIC NOT FOUND$#$ |
| 16:54.23 | wang | oh sorry |
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| 16:54.44 | brosioz | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:54.46 | Gothi[c] | does anyone know how to make the intel 915g graphics driver work with debian? their install script sais it fails to compile... |
| 16:54.57 | valdyn_ | wang: maybe your could be more specific too, like mentioning that you want to know what the 'poll' in fetchmailrc means |
| 16:54.57 | wang | valdyn_ : fetchmailconf is asking for a poll interval? |
| 16:55.11 | wang | valdyn_ : fetchmailconf is asking for a poll interval, what would i put? |
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| 16:55.32 | stew | wang: how often do you want it to fetch mail in seconds |
| 16:55.34 | enveezee | valdyn_: yeah, I thought he wanted to take a poll on how people fetch their mail |
| 16:55.35 | sgeigerbot | Can surreptitious audio eavesdropping be done via /dev/audio0? If so, how? |
| 16:55.37 | wang | ohhh ok |
| 16:55.43 | valdyn_ | wang: i dont know what you would put, its the interval, fetchmail checks for mail in |
| 16:55.45 | enveezee | valdyn_: I was about to tell him I trained a dog |
| 16:55.50 | repp_ | sgeigerbot: yes, if you have permissions to read the device |
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| 16:56.56 | froze | Looking for appropriate group to discuss a suggestion on resolving the discrepancy between MS/Mac copy n paste an Linux/X copy n paste |
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| 16:57.08 | repp_ | froze: hahaha |
| 16:57.11 | valdyn_ | somehow i doubt that device can be accessed by more than 1 program |
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| 16:57.31 | EdibleText | froze, ms copy paste freaks me out |
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| 16:57.33 | halibut | if I have a program called firefox, that runs whereever I type it in the console, then I have another program called firefox in the current folder, how do I tell it which one to run?! |
| 16:57.48 | fatal_ | ./firefox |
| 16:57.50 | repp_ | ./firefox |
| 16:58.00 | LabThug | later, thanks again! |
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| 16:58.10 | mike_sol | halibut, typing 'which firefox' will tell you what it would run |
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| 16:58.20 | froze | right but the ability to paste over selected text is one the biggest stumbling block to many converts. I have (Ithink) a valid solution. |
| 16:58.29 | valdyn_ | sgeigerbot: i dont think the kernel supports something like a "promiscous" mode for audio devices |
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| 16:58.49 | sgeigerbot | valdyn_: why not? |
| 16:59.01 | sgeigerbot | valdyn_: It's a file. The kernel should be able to access any file... |
| 16:59.17 | valdyn_ | sgeigerbot: sure, but he doesnt have to offer it via /dev/audio |
| 16:59.31 | froze | So far I have located http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Standards_2fClipboardsWiki as a reference standard. Which claims that the SECONDARY buffer is mostly unused/undefined. |
| 16:59.40 | repp_ | froze: you are dealing with a massive problem, the problem is so huge that it will never be fixed. You will never get consensus on how to solve it. Give up now before you waste your time. |
| 16:59.47 | valdyn_ | sgeigerbot: _sure_ you could code a spy device, but thats not what you meant i suppose |
| 16:59.50 | enveezee | froze: the ability to paste over selected text is stupid. |
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| 17:00.11 | wang | in fetchmail should i be using colons (:'s) to identify port numbers, like pop.gmail.com:995 |
| 17:00.12 | sgeigerbot | valdyn_: Well, I'm interested in all aspects of this topic. From security to spying. |
| 17:00.38 | enveezee | froze: its much more convenient for it to copy text when you highlight it and paste when you click |
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| 17:01.02 | imex | back later, thanks all |
| 17:01.11 | EdibleText | using windows would be a *little* less frustrating for me if it supported X style cut/paste |
| 17:01.17 | enveezee | froze: any apps that need such a feature implement it in some way or another.. firefox for example, you click in the page and it pastes the clipboard text in place of the current address |
| 17:01.32 | froze | My idea is simple and does not modify the current handling of copy paste except to extend it. |
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| 17:01.47 | repp_ | Yes, I also quite like how the X clipboard works. My only complaint is that the contents in the clipboard vanish if the program you copied it from is closed. |
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| 17:02.25 | enveezee | froze: ... ? |
| 17:02.31 | repp_ | froze: ok, what is it? |
| 17:02.49 | froze | Proposal; when a selection is made via highlight copy the content of primary into secondary |
| 17:02.53 | sgeigerbot | repp_: My complaint is that when trying to copy from the screen program X clipboard behaves unexpectedly. I haven't really figured out what it is that I don't like other than that I don't always get the results I want. |
| 17:03.16 | froze | sorry, hit enter to soon. |
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| 17:03.30 | wang | anyone know of any good documentation on setting up fetchmail (ssl certs and stuff), the man page is vague |
| 17:03.41 | d03boy | i like froze's idea |
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| 17:04.05 | stew | froze: look at klipper from kde |
| 17:04.09 | enveezee | froze: in other words you are saying every time you highlight you it should replace that text with the text on the clip board, and then put the highlighted text on the clipboard in its place? |
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| 17:04.27 | d03boy | no he's not saying that |
| 17:04.40 | froze | But only if the contents differ. then when middle click pasting on selected region check if the paste is identicle to primary and if so paste the contents of secondary. |
| 17:04.57 | d03boy | ok, i misunderstood, i think your idea sucks :\ |
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| 17:05.05 | enveezee | heh |
| 17:05.19 | enveezee | yep it breaks normal copy and pasting as I understand it |
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| 17:05.35 | jsebara | hello |
| 17:05.41 | froze | This does not modify the current implimentation and gives you paste over highlight. |
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| 17:06.14 | froze | OK, maybe I missed something, what does the break? |
| 17:06.17 | stew | i wouldn't want the clipoard to start being affected by my selecting text |
| 17:06.18 | enveezee | what if I just want to copy something from OO.o and paste it into say Firefox.. then I have to paste it back into OO.o cause the last thing I copied is now in OO.o in place of what I wanted to copy to firefox |
| 17:06.50 | abrotman | valdyn_: i didn't know you were italian |
| 17:06.54 | mike_sol | good morning all |
| 17:07.19 | valdyn_ | abrotman: oh, im german, but i know latin and just a little italian ) |
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| 17:07.26 | abrotman | valdyn_: oh ok |
| 17:07.28 | froze | I think you misunderstand. clipboard is a seperate buffer already. there are 3, Primary, Secondary and Clipoard. See my earlier posted link. |
| 17:07.35 | guiss | anyone knows how to enable tcpip_sockets on postgresql-8.0? |
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| 17:08.08 | enveezee | so if I highlight "this" and paste it here --> <-- then highlight "that" to copy it there --> <--- then I end up with "this" where my that here and there.. /me rolls his eyes |
| 17:08.10 | abrotman | froze: you want #freedesktop i think |
| 17:08.22 | Firestarter2 | is there a way to extract the .config file from my kernel image |
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| 17:08.36 | abrotman | Firestarter2: check /boot/ and /proc |
| 17:08.39 | petemc | guiss: edit /etc/postgresql/pg_hba.conf |
| 17:08.43 | stew | Firestarter2: it should be /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 17:08.51 | froze | abrotman: Thanks |
| 17:08.58 | guiss | petemc, what do i look for there? |
| 17:09.07 | petemc | guiss: its well commented, theres also tonnes of docs |
| 17:09.14 | m4lu6 | Gah. Anyone familiar with 'ext2resize'? |
| 17:09.18 | guiss | petemc, thanks |
| 17:09.27 | stew | froze: look at klipper though, it might cover a lot of what you are looking for |
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| 17:09.37 | stew | (though i don't totally understand what you are looking for) |
| 17:09.40 | froze | enveezee: only if hilight this again after hilighting that |
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| 17:10.48 | abrotman | spam bots are back ? |
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| 17:11.09 | froze | stew: I was hoping to find somone who is actually working on X. As I believe this extends what already exists to provide a feature that many enjoy. |
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| 17:11.15 | enveezee | I am to tired to care or comment I guess. I've been up all night.. and drinking energy drinks no less to stay awake |
| 17:11.22 | abrotman | froze: ask #fredesktop |
| 17:11.26 | abrotman | err free |
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| 17:11.58 | froze | abrotman: OK, thanks I will take my idea there. Thanks for the feedback |
| 17:12.02 | enveezee | WENAS WHO USES COPY/PASTE LOL!!!1! |
| 17:12.04 | enveezee | heh |
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| 17:12.27 | abrotman | yay .. spam bots have returned! |
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| 17:13.44 | enveezee | froze: it would be alright I guess to include people familiar with other models if it really can be done without modifying the current behavior in any minute little way. if anything the change should make it more work to do what you want to do. like in windows where you have to specifically tell it to copy and to paste, and cannot just gesture it |
| 17:13.54 | S4nD3r | Id like to clone a bootable CD, but I just have CDWriter Drive... How to do this one ??? |
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| 17:14.07 | abrotman | S4nD3r: dd ? |
| 17:14.11 | d03boy | S4nD3r, save it to an ISO |
| 17:14.31 | d03boy | i dont know how to do that btw |
| 17:14.41 | enveezee | using dd is one way |
| 17:14.45 | enveezee | like abrotman said |
| 17:14.51 | abrotman | !dd |
| 17:14.51 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dd is man dd or dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, or a Debian Developer, or dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a cd/dvd |
| 17:14.53 | Sepero | S4nD3r: You'll need to copy the CD to a CD-image on your harddrive first |
| 17:15.00 | S4nD3r | bootable CD ??? |
| 17:15.21 | enveezee | I think I may be hallucinating |
| 17:15.35 | valdyn_ | S4nD3r: nothing special about a bootable CD |
| 17:15.40 | enveezee | I swear I just seen the light flickering with almost a green luminescence |
| 17:15.53 | Sepero | S4nD3r: You can do it with "cat /dev/hdc > /home/user/image.iso" |
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| 17:16.03 | S4nD3r | mkisofs -R -J -o /temp/Image.iso /cdrom - This I will create the image |
| 17:16.17 | abrotman | ok .. fine ignore me |
| 17:16.42 | valdyn_ | S4nD3r: mkisofs isnt useful to clone a CD |
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| 17:16.56 | S4nD3r | dd if=/dev/scd0 of=/temp/image.iso _ this will create a bootable CD, right? |
| 17:17.16 | mike_sol | my brain is sore |
| 17:17.17 | abrotman | that creates an ISO that you can then use with cdrecord to "copy" the cd |
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| 17:17.25 | Sepero | S4nD3r: Use dd or cat. |
| 17:17.27 | ziupiu | S4nD3r, yes, then? |
| 17:17.27 | enveezee | mike_sol: mine too |
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| 17:17.51 | S4nD3r | dd if=/dev/scd0 of=/temp/image.iso _ this will create a bootable CD, right? |
| 17:17.51 | Sepero | S4nD3r: If the CD has scratches, you may need the app "dd_rescue". |
| 17:18.04 | abrotman | that creates an ISO that you can then use with cdrecord to "copy" the cd |
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| 17:18.12 | abrotman | should i say it again ? |
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| 17:18.31 | abrotman | enveezee: did you have today off ? |
| 17:18.39 | S4nD3r | Oh |
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| 17:18.48 | enveezee | abrotman: no |
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| 17:18.52 | S4nD3r | I really dunno how to clone this CD |
| 17:18.53 | abrotman | enveezee: so it's not sunday? :) |
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| 17:18.57 | S4nD3r | A friend asked me... |
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| 17:19.03 | enveezee | nope, its Thrusday |
| 17:19.09 | abrotman | you know what that means! |
| 17:19.11 | abrotman | !buckabeer |
| 17:19.11 | dpkg | buckabeer is probably time for abrotman to go .. thursday 5:30pm .. buckabeer at rock bottom |
| 17:19.32 | Sepero | S4nD3r: Does it have copy protections on the CD? |
| 17:19.33 | enveezee | abrotman: you got like 5 hours or so left |
| 17:19.38 | S4nD3r | No... |
| 17:19.52 | S4nD3r | Its Windows XP CD.... He asked to clone this one ??? |
| 17:20.03 | Sepero | S4nD3r: Cause if it does... I don't think Linux cares anyway. ;) |
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| 17:20.08 | EdibleText | S4nD3r, so use dd |
| 17:20.26 | S4nD3r | but I dunno how to use dd |
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| 17:20.32 | EdibleText | heh |
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| 17:20.37 | abrotman | yay |
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| 17:20.59 | enveezee | S4nD3r: dd if=/dev/hdc of=/tmp/image.iso |
| 17:21.08 | enveezee | S4nD3r: where your cdrom is /dev/hdc |
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| 17:21.12 | mike_sol | Sepero, can't you just use k3b or some other pretty graphical thing to do it with a fun button click |
| 17:21.16 | mike_sol | or are you stuck at the console |
| 17:21.19 | enveezee | most systems there is a symlink pointing to it at /dev/cdrom |
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| 17:21.33 | Sepero | mike_sol: Lemme check |
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| 17:21.38 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:21.55 | mike_sol | i meant to say that to S4nD3r |
| 17:21.58 | mike_sol | silly completion |
| 17:22.02 | S4nD3r | But, how to copy the image.iso to CD, including bootable tags |
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| 17:22.03 | Sepero | mike_sol: I usually only use K3b for burning |
| 17:22.10 | mike_sol | me too |
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| 17:22.17 | ziupiu | SaneEnglishMonk, |
| 17:22.22 | ziupiu | oops |
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| 17:22.28 | valdyn_ | S4nD3r: it doesnt make a difference if that CD is bootable or not, for this clone process |
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| 17:22.48 | mike_sol | yeah the dd will take the bootable part of the CD too afaik |
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| 17:23.06 | Sepero | mik54: S4nD3r: Yeah, K3b has an option that will do it for you. (Make the temporary iso.) |
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| 17:23.23 | mike_sol | iso's can have several 'partition'-like chunks, the bootable one is usually a small one off to the side (it's called El Torito) |
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| 17:23.35 | Sepero | K3B -> Tools -> CD -> Copy CD |
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| 17:24.24 | jeanjacques | i've installed the libapache-mod-fastcgi but it doesn't changed my httpd.conf is it normal ? |
| 17:24.30 | Dr_Fie | ok so firefox wont start |
| 17:24.35 | ziupiu | S4nD3r, then cdrecord dev=ATA:1,0,0 driveropts=burnfree /tmp/image.iso |
| 17:24.37 | Dr_Fie | and i cant figure out why :-/ |
| 17:24.37 | S4nD3r | ok... |
| 17:24.38 | mike_sol | jeanjacques, apache-modconf apache |
| 17:24.43 | S4nD3r | My K3B is crazy |
| 17:24.47 | S4nD3r | Copied 5 copies |
| 17:24.50 | S4nD3r | than stopped |
| 17:24.52 | mike_sol | (or apache2 or apache-ssl if you use em) |
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| 17:24.56 | Dr_Fie | "keyboard: too many nacks -- noisy kbd cable?" that is the last thing that dmesg says |
| 17:24.59 | S4nD3r | Dont copy anymore |
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| 17:25.10 | jeanjacques | mike_sol: thank you |
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| 17:25.40 | Sepero | Dr_Fie: Is your version of FF up to date? |
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| 17:26.16 | jeanjacques | mike_sol: nope it made nothing my httpd.conf stills the same |
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| 17:27.07 | mike_sol | jeanjacques, you could go into the httpd.conf and do it manually. i've never used fastcgi (php guy, myself) so i don't know the lines you'd need to add |
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| 17:27.22 | mike_sol | jeanjacques, maybe dpkg-reconfigure -plow apache ? |
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| 17:28.00 | Dr_Fie | Sepero: i used apt to get it.. i would assume so |
| 17:28.41 | DarKnesS_WolF | i need to clean my system from any libs. or any debs that not used anymore any idea ? |
| 17:28.41 | mike_sol | Dr_Fie, when you run firefox from an xterm, does it say anything? |
| 17:28.42 | Sepero | Dr_Fie: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
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| 17:28.55 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:29.10 | S4nD3r | To copy my image to CD ??? cdrecord -v speed=52 dev=0,0 -data -eject /tmp/image.iso |
| 17:29.11 | mike_sol | Dr_Fie, worst case, remove/rename your ~/.mozilla dir |
| 17:29.13 | S4nD3r | Is correct? |
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| 17:29.22 | Dr_Fie | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 17:29.22 | Dr_Fie | Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client! |
| 17:29.22 | Dr_Fie | (firefox-bin:6647): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 17:29.25 | d03boy | try it |
| 17:29.37 | mike_sol | Dr_Fie, are you su'd right now? you need to be your regular user |
| 17:29.37 | Dr_Fie | mike_sol: that's what it says |
| 17:29.46 | Dr_Fie | i did try SUing yes |
| 17:29.52 | mike_sol | do it without |
| 17:30.01 | Dr_Fie | but it got very complicated with the lawyers |
| 17:30.02 | Dr_Fie | j/k |
| 17:30.03 | Dr_Fie | i did |
| 17:30.08 | mike_sol | :/ |
| 17:30.16 | valdyn_ | Dr_Fie: killall firefox-bin |
| 17:30.21 | mike_sol | alright and you get that error no matter what? |
| 17:30.28 | Dr_Fie | yea |
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| 17:30.47 | mike_sol | try the killall, and if it doesnt work see what happens if you type 'xhost + localhost' first |
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| 17:30.51 | Dr_Fie | valdyn_: "no process killed" |
| 17:30.56 | fsancho | hi all |
| 17:31.09 | Sepero | DarKnesS_WolF: deborphan |
| 17:31.21 | d03boy | maybe thats not the process name |
| 17:31.22 | Dr_Fie | same error mike |
| 17:31.33 | mike_sol | Dr_Fie, do most/all other programs work okay? |
| 17:31.34 | ziupiu | Dr_Fie, try start ff as another user |
| 17:31.35 | fsancho | i want to know if is there any way to get cups to notify printer errors like "out of paper" etc. |
| 17:31.47 | mike_sol | Dr_Fie, try 'mv ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla-old' |
| 17:31.51 | mike_sol | then run ff again |
| 17:31.52 | Dr_Fie | ziupiu: i think i did that |
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| 17:32.24 | penguin__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:32.33 | penguin__ | What are the % for? |
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| 17:32.43 | mike_sol | penguin__, in SQL they're wildcards |
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| 17:32.57 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:33.01 | penguin__ | Like * in Access? |
| 17:33.11 | mike_sol | yeah, i figured all SQL things used the % |
| 17:33.16 | bibe | penguin__ : yes |
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| 17:33.19 | mike_sol | but it's 'match any number of characters' |
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| 17:33.34 | penguin__ | Is there * also? |
| 17:33.35 | streuner | S4nD3r: ATA or SCSI? |
| 17:33.40 | mike_sol | penguin__, what sql server |
| 17:33.40 | bibe | penguin__ : no |
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| 17:34.03 | wang | how do i make a CA certificate? |
| 17:34.07 | penguin__ | Does Access * equal Postgres %? |
| 17:34.15 | streuner | S4nD3r: do you have a 'burnfree' CD-Writer? |
| 17:34.19 | mike_sol | i doubt many people here are big Access users |
| 17:34.30 | Dr_Fie | i took a course in Access |
| 17:34.31 | bibe | penguin__ : Access * equals SQL-92 (and later) % |
| 17:34.31 | mike_sol | worst case penguin__ use a REGEX. |
| 17:34.34 | Dr_Fie | it was totally full of noobs |
| 17:34.36 | djp | i want to create flac files of an audio cd. what is the best option under debian 3.1? command-line or gui and if one or the other, which app? |
| 17:34.48 | Dr_Fie | i about stabbed one of the tech weenies in the face once |
| 17:34.53 | penguin__ | * is a regex |
| 17:35.10 | mike_sol | Dr_Fie, i have so many stupid old access programs at my job here... i blew peoples minds when i showed them web apps. 'wow more than one person can use this at a time!!' |
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| 17:35.17 | Sepero | is * a regex |
| 17:35.30 | Sepero | is a * regex |
| 17:35.33 | mike_sol | penguin__, yeah, but you can do a bit more with regexes..... you'd want '.*' in a regex to be the same as '%' or '*' |
| 17:35.36 | Sepero | heheh |
| 17:36.01 | bamoore | I have python versions 2.3 and 2.4 installed. When I run 'python', version 2.3 runs. How do I change this? |
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| 17:36.18 | Dr_Fie | i'll be back |
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| 17:37.15 | Sepero | $ ls -l /usr/bin/python |
| 17:37.20 | Sepero | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Apr 10 2005 /usr/bin/python -> python2.3 |
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| 17:37.45 | Sepero | bamoore: It's a symlink. |
| 17:37.50 | mike_sol | penguin__, WHERE link REGEX '/.*$module.*/' sort of |
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| 17:38.08 | DarKnesS_WolF | ok anything else to clean my debian installtion ? |
| 17:38.10 | bamoore | right..... I thought there would be a debian specific way to do this |
| 17:38.10 | mike_sol | depending on your scripting language and how it parses variables, and depending on whether your SQL server wants the /'s or not |
| 17:38.19 | penguin__ | Do you need the .? |
| 17:38.42 | Sepero | DarKnesS_WolF: debfoster |
| 17:38.43 | mike_sol | penguin__, yeah. "." means any character, * means 'zero or more occurences of the previous character" |
| 17:38.55 | mike_sol | so .* means zero or more anything |
| 17:39.07 | mike_sol | .+ would mean at least one character, who cares what char it is, at least one of em |
| 17:39.18 | Sepero | DarKnesS_WolF: And one more, I think it's called cruft |
| 17:39.41 | bibe | bamoore : did you try update-alternatives? |
| 17:39.47 | mike_sol | DarKnesS_WolF, my fun favourite is 'deborphan | xargs dpkg --purge' |
| 17:39.56 | mike_sol | DarKnesS_WolF, you just keep hitting up and enter until it does nothing |
| 17:40.07 | DarKnesS_WolF | :-D |
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| 17:40.11 | Holborn | hi, grep 2.5.1.ds2-3 works fine? |
| 17:40.16 | DarKnesS_WolF | i done apt-get remove `deborphan` |
| 17:40.23 | DarKnesS_WolF | ;-) |
| 17:40.23 | mike_sol | hey did that work |
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| 17:40.35 | mike_sol | son of a bitch i always forget the power of the backtick |
| 17:40.42 | mike_sol | `fuck you` |
| 17:40.46 | mike_sol | command not found |
| 17:40.56 | stew | mike_sol: you can just use aptitude and not worry about orphaned packages anymore |
| 17:41.03 | DarKnesS_WolF | :)))))))))) |
| 17:41.03 | DarKnesS_WolF | mike_sol: take it easy :D |
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| 17:41.18 | mike_sol | stew, i've been using dselect for like ten years now, i don't have the mental space for a different interface |
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| 17:41.24 | bamoore | bibe: What is that? |
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| 17:41.41 | licued | has anyuone used ipsec here w/. debian |
| 17:41.50 | DarKnesS_WolF | stew: ya i want to start using it .. |
| 17:41.57 | bibe | bamoore : see /etc/alternatives |
| 17:42.27 | djp | any advice on creating flac files? |
| 17:43.20 | bibe | it's a debian way to control what package supplies a common command (say, telnet, that is provided by telnet and telnet-ssl) |
| 17:43.29 | nkuttler | djp: apt-cache search flac |
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| 17:43.36 | bamoore | bibe : Cool. I've been using Debian a few years now, but didn't know about this. Thanks for the tip! |
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| 17:43.39 | cahoot | djp: besides installing flac? |
| 17:43.48 | bibe | bamoore : no problem! |
| 17:43.50 | penguin__ | I am not sure if * doesnt equal .* |
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| 17:43.58 | nkuttler | bibe: install the package you want, they should conflict |
| 17:44.35 | bibe | nkuttler : telnet wasn't the most proper example, in fact telnet and telnet-ssl conflicts |
| 17:44.48 | djp | cahoot, i want to rip an audio cd into flac files |
| 17:44.55 | nkuttler | bibe: such packages will always conflict |
| 17:45.01 | cahoot | djp: I use abcde for that |
| 17:45.11 | nkuttler | bibe: if not, they don't obey the policy and it's a bug |
| 17:45.12 | djp | cahoot, or ogg format would suffice, but i would prefer the flac format |
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| 17:45.21 | djp | cheers cahoot |
| 17:45.26 | djp | will check that out |
| 17:45.26 | freenik | where to find information about "experimental"? never heard of it and cant find anything... |
| 17:45.30 | nkuttler | bibe: you may want to read man update-alternatives |
| 17:45.34 | Dr_Fie | hmmm |
| 17:45.39 | cahoot | djp: abcde outputs either (or mp3) it's just a matter of config |
| 17:45.41 | mike_sol | penguin__, /join #sql |
| 17:45.50 | bibe | nkuttler : update-alternatives --list x-www-browser is a proper example |
| 17:45.53 | Dr_Fie | is there a way to human readably list the init.d scripts... |
| 17:46.01 | Dr_Fie | with like... knowing when they start |
| 17:46.02 | Dr_Fie | and such |
| 17:46.07 | bibe | Dr_Fie : rcconf |
| 17:46.18 | mike_sol | Dr_Fie, cd /etc/rc2.d ; ls -l |
| 17:46.29 | mike_sol | the number order is the order they run in |
| 17:46.44 | nkuttler | bibe: looks like you know the answer to your question... |
| 17:46.45 | valdyn_ | !experimental |
| 17:46.46 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. |
| 17:47.05 | Dr_Fie | mike_sol: i said human readably |
| 17:47.10 | Dr_Fie | i'm not a nub :P |
| 17:47.23 | stew | !dict nub |
| 17:47.25 | dpkg | Dictionary 'nub' Nub \Nub\, v. t. [Cf. Knob.] To push; to nudge; also, to beckon. [Prov. Eng.] |
| 17:47.30 | valdyn_ | Dr_Fie: doesnt that imply that you can read numbers? |
| 17:47.36 | bibe | nkuttler : the question was bamoore's... ;) Bye |
| 17:47.41 | Dr_Fie | valdyn_: i can read words |
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| 17:47.45 | mike_sol | hahaha i guess it varies based on the human |
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| 17:48.05 | mike_sol | dr_fie, what are you trying to find out? maybe we can help in a different way |
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| 17:48.07 | Dr_Fie | mike_sol: yeah.. i'm thinking something more like.. with tables with rows and columsn.. not one long list |
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| 17:48.46 | Dr_Fie | mike_sol: well i'm thinking that the fact that gdm and xdm start at the same time might be the issue with this firefox thing cuz it's saying something about something having the same ID |
| 17:48.54 | mike_sol | you have both gdm and xdm? |
| 17:48.57 | mike_sol | they conflict |
| 17:49.03 | mike_sol | you should have just gdm, probably |
| 17:49.13 | valdyn_ | Dr_Fie: they cannot start at the same time like that |
| 17:49.16 | Dr_Fie | yeah.. i figured that by me saying to use xdm be default.. would make gdm not startup |
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| 17:49.22 | Dr_Fie | but i guess it's not as automated as i thought |
| 17:49.26 | valdyn_ | Dr_Fie: 'cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager' |
| 17:49.48 | Dr_Fie | well durring startup it was like "starting gdm \n starting xdm" |
| 17:49.51 | mike_sol | here's an idea: go to a console, kill gdm (/etc/init.d/gdm stop), log in as your user, and type 'startx' so you have no gdm. though this likely wont' fix FF, it'll show you gdm probably isnt the problem :) |
| 17:49.54 | stew | Dr_Fie: look at rcconf sysvconfig, sys-rc-conf |
| 17:50.06 | Dr_Fie | oh nevermind |
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| 17:50.10 | Dr_Fie | it said "NOT starting gdm" |
| 17:50.14 | valdyn_ | Dr_Fie: it said "not starting gdm" |
| 17:50.17 | Dr_Fie | it was just scrolling by too fast |
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| 17:50.27 | mike_sol | get rid of xdm, and use gdm instead because it has pretty themes |
| 17:50.41 | valdyn_ | Dr_Fie: your error has nothing to do with that anyway |
| 17:50.50 | mike_sol | i agree |
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| 17:51.05 | Dr_Fie | mike_sol: but i use synergy for my keyboard and mouse on linux... and i cant get gdm to start synergy after you log in |
| 17:51.16 | valdyn_ | Dr_Fie: it has something to do with a crashed instance of firefox iirc |
| 17:51.18 | Dr_Fie | it will work for gdm it self.. but once i get into gnome it isn't going |
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| 17:51.35 | Dr_Fie | valdyn_: well i never started firefox in the first place |
| 17:51.36 | fbi | yeah, you _really_ need a theme for your display manager, that you look at for a whole ten seconds. |
| 17:51.45 | mike_sol | Dr_Fie, cool, i'm using synergy right now to type this. you should be able to put synergyc in your gnome session startup, i cant remember how though |
| 17:52.02 | valdyn_ | Dr_Fie: gnome has a GUI session editor.. use it |
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| 17:52.56 | cronik | hey guys |
| 17:52.58 | mike_sol | Dr_Fie, just to be certain with firefox, 'apt-get remove --purge mozilla-firefox' and then delete ~/.mozilla (unless you have lots of bookmarks), and reinstall it |
| 17:53.10 | cronik | i wanna know if i was able to fix the prblem in my site |
| 17:53.15 | mike_sol | if you do that and it's still broken but all other programs run fine, i don't know what else to try |
| 17:53.16 | cronik | http://67.87.192.244:21 |
| 17:53.24 | chris99 | How can I install MySQL? "apt-get install mysql" tells me it has "no installation candidate". |
| 17:53.25 | cronik | see if works 4 yall |
| 17:53.36 | mike_sol | cronik, http on an ftp port? |
| 17:53.42 | cronik | yea |
| 17:53.45 | Dr_Fie | chris99: maybe apt-get install MySQL |
| 17:53.49 | mike_sol | my firefox won't let me, cronik :) |
| 17:53.51 | cronik | my isp is killing me |
| 17:53.55 | mike_sol | This address uses a network port which is normally used for purposes other than Web browsing. Firefox has canceled the request for your protection. |
| 17:54.06 | mike_sol | ill try IE |
| 17:54.08 | cronik | they got all the port filters |
| 17:54.17 | chris99 | Dr_Fie: Doesn't find anything. ("E: Couldn't find package MySQL") |
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| 17:54.32 | DarKnesS_WolF | deborphan removed some packaged i need in my compiled Mplayer and i forgot :D |
| 17:54.36 | valdyn_ | cronik: the access to that port is deactivated for safety reasosn |
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| 17:54.39 | mike_sol | chris99, apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 |
| 17:54.44 | cronik | ooo |
| 17:54.45 | cronik | thanx |
| 17:54.48 | valdyn_ | cronik: im not sure whats triggeriing that error |
| 17:54.49 | cronik | by the way |
| 17:54.58 | cronik | vcan anyone help me in this |
| 17:55.00 | valdyn_ | cronik: since its a popup dialog in firefox |
| 17:55.04 | mike_sol | cronik, page cant be displayed |
| 17:55.19 | valdyn_ | cronik: well, firefox is triggering that |
| 17:55.34 | chris99 | mike_sol: Ah, *there* it is. Many thanks! |
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| 17:55.51 | mike_sol | cronik, i'm port scanning you, don't be alarmed |
| 17:55.55 | cronik | so i din"t work for anyone? |
| 17:55.59 | cronik | ok |
| 17:56.02 | mike_sol | i'll also telnet to that to see if it even connects though |
| 17:56.20 | cronik | i put alot of port together for apache to see if it works |
| 17:56.22 | enveezee | sounds like a yinzer application |
| 17:56.26 | mike_sol | cronik, it says you're running vsftpd |
| 17:56.34 | cronik | naw |
| 17:56.46 | cronik | i just set up apche to listen on that port |
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| 17:56.58 | mike_sol | well vsftpd came up |
| 17:57.15 | cronik | did u see anyother open? |
| 17:57.21 | cronik | that r not filter |
| 17:57.24 | valdyn_ | 220 (vsFTPd 2.0.3) \ 530 Please login with USER and PASS. |
| 17:57.29 | cronik | try to connet with them |
| 17:57.32 | mike_sol | im in your FTP killing your dudes |
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| 17:57.43 | mike_sol | cronik, /join #flood |
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| 17:57.53 | EdibleText | cronik, firefox is blocking? there is some control panal/page that you change |
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| 17:58.01 | EdibleText | cronik, in firefox |
| 17:58.08 | cronik | nope |
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| 17:58.15 | nik | hiya |
| 17:58.33 | mike_sol | cronik join #flood and ill show you the open ports |
| 17:58.39 | ziupiu | cronik, it's ftp: nc 67.87.192.244 21 |
| 17:58.39 | ziupiu | GET / HTTP/1.0 |
| 17:58.40 | ziupiu | 220 (vsFTPd 2.0.3) |
| 17:58.40 | ziupiu | 530 Please login with USER and PASS. |
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| 17:58.42 | enveezee | now all I need is a really loud annoying alarm sound |
| 17:59.12 | pureone | beep? |
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| 17:59.20 | valdyn_ | cronik: your ftp server works fine |
| 17:59.22 | enveezee | I dont have very many sound effects recorded |
| 17:59.34 | freenik | If I am trying to install gnome 2.12 from experimental ( apt-get -t experimental install gnome-desktop-environment ) I get: gnome-desktop-environment: Depends: gnome-volume-manager (>= 1.4.0) but it is not going to be installed any hint? |
| 17:59.34 | cronik | is not a ftp server |
| 17:59.47 | mike_sol | cronik, dpkg -l | grep ftp |
| 17:59.52 | enveezee | sanduhr would work for what I want to be able to simply set a timer with an alarm.. I just need an alarm sound now |
| 18:00.02 | valdyn_ | freenik: if you have to ask this trivial question, DO NOT USE experimental |
| 18:00.09 | enveezee | hmm maybe not |
| 18:00.11 | Van-brb | how can i see what php version i used on debian? |
| 18:00.17 | wang | anyone here good with configuring gmail on fetchmail ? |
| 18:00.19 | pureone | enveezee what about beep? |
| 18:00.25 | cronik | http://67.87.192.244 |
| 18:00.30 | cronik | damn |
| 18:00.32 | enveezee | I normally listen to music when I sleep anyhow.. maybe I can use an alarm command.. that like turns up the volume or something |
| 18:00.44 | cronik | i got apache set up but other people won"t connet |
| 18:00.46 | cronik | that sux |
| 18:00.53 | cronik | cant* |
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| 18:01.19 | enveezee | Astinus: hello, wb |
| 18:01.24 | mike_sol | cronik, run it on something else maybe 8080? |
| 18:01.24 | enveezee | whoever the hell you are :P |
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| 18:01.33 | cronik | i didi |
| 18:01.39 | mike_sol | cronik, i can connect to it on 23 |
| 18:01.41 | mike_sol | i see forum. |
| 18:01.43 | enveezee | Astinus: what brings you do this debian village? |
| 18:01.51 | cronik | all the ports that u see open are all setup for apache to listen on |
| 18:01.57 | cronik | yea |
| 18:01.59 | cronik | do that |
| 18:02.02 | mike_sol | cronik, My Community. and none of the images work :D |
| 18:02.09 | cronik | thanx |
| 18:02.15 | cronik | in wat port? |
| 18:02.18 | mike_sol | 23 |
| 18:02.21 | cronik | omg |
| 18:02.24 | cronik | thanx bro |
| 18:02.25 | mike_sol | 50 works too |
| 18:02.31 | cronik | sight on bro |
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| 18:02.35 | mike_sol | 632 |
| 18:02.37 | cronik | nice |
| 18:02.38 | freenik | valdyn_, hm ok ;) time to reread the apt howto |
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| 18:02.45 | mike_sol | 822 |
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| 18:03.00 | mike_sol | and 1500 |
| 18:03.02 | mike_sol | awesome :D |
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| 18:03.07 | cronik | they all work 4 u? |
| 18:03.09 | mike_sol | yeah |
| 18:03.14 | cronik | mmmmmm |
| 18:03.21 | mike_sol | you're jsut running the FTP daemon is why 21 didnt work |
| 18:03.24 | cronik | they don"t work for me with a proxy |
| 18:03.34 | mike_sol | some proxies will only let you access port 80 |
| 18:03.42 | cronik | ooo |
| 18:03.52 | cronik | did u sight on? |
| 18:03.52 | cronik | lol |
| 18:04.03 | mike_sol | i dont know what you mean |
| 18:04.18 | mike_sol | but i do know you're running ubuntu! :D |
| 18:04.25 | cronik | lol |
| 18:04.26 | cronik | yea |
| 18:04.29 | mike_sol | with a 2.4 kernel |
| 18:04.39 | cronik | become a member of my mini site |
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| 18:04.47 | mike_sol | hahaha why |
| 18:04.50 | mike_sol | whats it about |
| 18:04.50 | cronik | im getting a new server in 3 weeks |
| 18:04.57 | cronik | alot of things |
| 18:05.05 | cronik | im just starting off |
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| 18:05.12 | cronik | sports |
| 18:05.14 | cronik | music |
| 18:05.17 | cronik | movies |
| 18:05.19 | cronik | hacking |
| 18:05.22 | wang | when fetchmail fetches mail where does it move it? |
| 18:05.28 | mike_sol | most of your links point to 'localhost' so they don't work, cronik |
| 18:05.35 | DarKnesS_WolF | cronik: u mean cracking ? |
| 18:05.36 | cronik | mmmm |
| 18:05.45 | cronik | let me fix that |
| 18:05.51 | cronik | yea cracking and hacking |
| 18:05.56 | mike_sol | that would likely fix the images and CSS missing |
| 18:06.01 | fbi | DarKnesS_WolF: compiling mplayer? why? |
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| 18:06.46 | DarKnesS_WolF | fbi: cuz i'm from Egypt and i need arabic supports in the subtitles ;-) |
| 18:06.50 | wang | when fetchmail fetches mail where does it move it? |
| 18:06.51 | fbi | doh! |
| 18:07.03 | DarKnesS_WolF | fbi: and i'm in a very shity connection :-D and will not be able to apt-get it |
| 18:07.03 | licued | DarKnesS_WolF |
| 18:07.05 | licued | I know you |
| 18:07.09 | Ford-Prefect | what should I googlefor to find information if my keyboard misses all alt gr signs? |
| 18:07.14 | mike_sol | DarKnesS_WolF, that's cool, is it actually implemented well? |
| 18:07.16 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:07.35 | DarKnesS_WolF | mike_sol: yes i used to have it very cool in mandrake but i donn about Debian yet ;-) |
| 18:07.45 | snull | wang: it delivers mail to the local MTA |
| 18:07.50 | mike_sol | okay so now the obvious question, have you visited the pyramids |
| 18:07.51 | EdibleText | S4nD3r, why not use dd to make the image? |
| 18:07.54 | DarKnesS_WolF | already had it compiled but didn't test and now i done deborphan and borked the installed so i'm compiling again |
| 18:07.55 | licued | DarKnesS_WolF, you wanted me to do web design for you a while ago |
| 18:07.59 | licued | do you remember |
| 18:08.00 | DarKnesS_WolF | licued: know me from where? |
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| 18:08.07 | licued | Kiwi reccomended me |
| 18:08.10 | licued | kiwibonga |
| 18:08.22 | licued | Benji |
| 18:08.30 | mike_sol | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.31 | DarKnesS_WolF | licued: no i'm sure ur mistaken ;-) cuz i don't have a website and not welling too :) |
| 18:08.31 | soymilk | help: aptitude error: "Unable to parse package file /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates" |
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| 18:08.40 | licued | hrmm |
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| 18:08.43 | DarKnesS_WolF | licued: and if i'll have website it's will be in Drupal ;) |
| 18:08.50 | licued | Drupal? |
| 18:08.53 | Holborn | Ford-Prefect: try to reinstall xlibs . |
| 18:08.55 | S4nD3r | dd if=/dev/hdc of=WindowsXP.iso - Is that the command ??? |
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| 18:09.04 | DarKnesS_WolF | mike_sol: u need to believe it :) i never been to pyramids :P |
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| 18:09.05 | Ford-Prefect | Holborn, thanks |
| 18:09.06 | EdibleText | S4nD3r, you havnt done this yet..? |
| 18:09.15 | S4nD3r | No |
| 18:09.18 | DarKnesS_WolF | licued: yes it's a CMS good one actually |
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| 18:09.27 | S4nD3r | Im afraid to damage the CDs |
| 18:09.38 | licued | well his s/n was Darkness Wold |
| 18:09.40 | licued | Wolf* |
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| 18:09.47 | licued | and he was from aroudn Egypt |
| 18:09.48 | EdibleText | S4nD3r, replace /dev/hdc with /dev/<your cdrom device> |
| 18:09.51 | DarKnesS_WolF | S4nD3r: yes that command to make an Image ( iso ) |
| 18:10.02 | EdibleText | S4nD3r, damge the the phyical cd ? |
| 18:10.07 | S4nD3r | hdc is my CDDevice |
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| 18:10.08 | DarKnesS_WolF | can't be thre is only one DarKnesS_WolF ;) |
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| 18:10.11 | cavediver | Anyone knows why nfs-user-server has a 2GB file-limit and why move doesn't work ? |
| 18:10.13 | wang | is fetchmail responsible for sending mail as well as fetching it? |
| 18:10.15 | kaOz | how do I upgrade all my packages with apt-get ? |
| 18:10.16 | licued | k |
| 18:10.18 | EdibleText | S4nD3r, how unless you smash it in the cd-tray |
| 18:10.35 | DarKnesS_WolF | S4nD3r: why it's will be damged S4nD3r it's cool and u can have an iso with xcdroast or k3b |
| 18:10.39 | soymilk | wang: it only retreives it |
| 18:10.41 | mike_sol | cavediver, 2gb seems to be a popular limit on file sizes. any reason you can't use the kernel server? |
| 18:11.06 | wang | soymilk: what is used for sending mail then, for example i'm fetching from gmail and I need to send mail so it show's its from myaddress@gmail.com |
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| 18:11.43 | S4nD3r | Ok... |
| 18:11.44 | cavediver | mike_sol: I can't get it to work with my dmcrypted hdd's. The mounts are empty when using kernel-server. Any ideas on how to get kerner-server working ? |
| 18:11.45 | S4nD3r | I used dd |
| 18:11.48 | soymilk | wang: that's a good question. you could configure an MTA like postfix, sendmail, or exim4 to do SMTP client auth, or you can use a much easier program like nbsmtp |
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| 18:11.54 | EdibleText | S4nD3r, dd wont cause laserbeams to zap your XP cd and ruin it |
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| 18:12.00 | S4nD3r | The WindowsXP.iso image was created |
| 18:12.00 | dfinn | is there a way to get sshd to stop reporting all of these entries : Failed password for root from 81.168.237.57 port 2586 ssh2 ? |
| 18:12.02 | mike_sol | cavediver, never used dmcrypt. is it userspace or kernelspace |
| 18:12.13 | DarKnesS_WolF | mike_sol: i donn why the freaking xcdroast in debain keep asking for scsi emulatior in kernel 2.6 even it's working already ;-) i mean the dvdrom :-D |
| 18:12.22 | S4nD3r | Now, how do I burn the CD ?? |
| 18:12.24 | cavediver | mike_sol: well, I have no idea to be honest. |
| 18:12.26 | EdibleText | S4nD3r, no you can use cdrecord |
| 18:12.28 | mike_sol | xcdroast doesn't like me either, i just don't use it |
| 18:12.31 | DarKnesS_WolF | and burned with it but that asking for scsi shit too boring |
| 18:12.32 | soymilk | wang: i created a .deb package for nbsmtp which you can get at my repository http://infrablue.mine.nu/repository/ |
| 18:12.33 | AndroFlux | dfinn: Well, one way is to get 81.168.237.57 to stop logging in with the wrong password... |
| 18:12.36 | cavediver | mike_sol: maybe someone else knows this. |
| 18:12.53 | mike_sol | cavediver, hmm. yeah im not sure... i mean if you've got the fs mounted, the kernel server should be able to see it. if it can't i have no idea |
| 18:12.58 | EdibleText | S4nD3r, no/now ... |
| 18:13.02 | dfinn | AndroFlux: that IP was just an example. we are constantly getting hit with ssh bots from all different IPs |
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| 18:13.08 | mike_sol | cavediver, maybe there's another chan more appropriate |
| 18:13.13 | S4nD3r | enveezee, of course not! |
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| 18:13.21 | soymilk | wang: what i do is use nbsmtp with "profiles" in mutt, so that each account i have has its own sendmail= command using unique username/password/smtp server with nbmstp |
| 18:13.24 | cavediver | mike_sol: exactly what I thought. Got a little surprised actually that it didn't work |
| 18:13.29 | rares000 | how do I order the boot scripts so my wireless gets loaded after the /usr is mounted |
| 18:13.31 | S4nD3r | Im cloning the WindowsXP to distribute to students of computers |
| 18:13.38 | mike_sol | encrypted stuff on disk must be pretty cool though |
| 18:13.49 | EdibleText | enveezee, remember: if you see something.. say something.. |
| 18:13.55 | cavediver | mike_sol: it's working flawless otherwise. |
| 18:13.59 | mike_sol | S4nD3r, you should look into 'nlite', it will make you a nice ISO and you can integrate software, SP2, patches, etc |
| 18:14.01 | DarKnesS_WolF | S4nD3r: thats illegal :D |
| 18:14.07 | soymilk | rares000: you understand how SysV init works, right? |
| 18:14.10 | S4nD3r | cdrecord -v speed=8 dev=0,0 -data -eject /tmp/image.iso - Im trying to use that |
| 18:14.11 | enveezee | oh right, I remember that section of the EULA where it talks about exceptions to sending microsoft lisc money. |
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| 18:14.14 | DarKnesS_WolF | S4nD3r: give them linux :) Mandrake or something soft ;-) |
| 18:14.30 | enveezee | they shot the mother fucker that wrote it an burried him with it |
| 18:14.40 | mike_sol | ubuntu if we're going easy, have to stick in the family here in #debian |
| 18:14.41 | S4nD3r | Ok.. |
| 18:14.42 | DarKnesS_WolF | S4nD3r: i guess dev=/dev/hdc <-- ur cd wr should work too |
| 18:14.50 | S4nD3r | But now, I need to do that |
| 18:15.03 | mike_sol | S4nD3r, seriously, nlite. |
| 18:15.09 | DarKnesS_WolF | mike_sol: shoudn't the dev=0,0,0 ? 3 digital i mean ? |
| 18:15.22 | mike_sol | i dunno i never use cdrecord at the command line |
| 18:15.35 | mike_sol | except for 'cdrecord scanbus' |
| 18:15.35 | DarKnesS_WolF | i'm sure i used it few hours ago :D |
| 18:15.39 | mike_sol | that tells you where the drive is |
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| 18:15.50 | rares000 | yes I know there's priorities but what i'm concerned is does udev/hotplug/discover need to load before it can mount because essentially that causes a catch 22 |
| 18:15.53 | S4nD3r | DarKnesS_WolF, Yes.. |
| 18:15.56 | S4nD3r | You sure |
| 18:15.58 | DarKnesS_WolF | cdrecord -scanbus will not work with ATAPI i guess u need some other options .. |
| 18:16.02 | DarKnesS_WolF | mmmm |
| 18:16.07 | soymilk | cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATAPI: will tell you the device to use |
| 18:16.08 | mike_sol | oh i have too much SCSI here, sorry |
| 18:16.10 | DarKnesS_WolF | S4nD3r: yes try to make it dev=/dev/hdc |
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| 18:16.12 | Van-brb | someoen can tell me hwo to check my PHP version ? |
| 18:16.31 | mike_sol | Van-brb, make a php file with <?php phpversion(); ?> in it |
| 18:16.33 | streuner | Van-brb: dpkg -l php4? |
| 18:16.34 | mike_sol | and then load it in a browser |
| 18:16.49 | mike_sol | gives you more info than you wanted guaranteed |
| 18:17.02 | Van-brb | thats weird. i just compiled the new php on the server 5.0.5 |
| 18:17.03 | gr8ron | Van-brb: COLUMNS=180 dpkg -l | grep php |
| 18:17.06 | Van-brb | and it stil lshow 5.0.4 |
| 18:17.08 | Van-brb | i dont get it lol |
| 18:17.09 | soymilk | /usr/bin/php -v |
| 18:17.28 | Van-brb | oh ok thanks |
| 18:17.29 | Van-brb | :) |
| 18:17.34 | soymilk | just like most other binaries ;-) |
| 18:18.26 | rares000 | soymilk: do udev/hotplug/discover need to run before drives are detected? I'm using lvm |
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| 18:18.29 | S4nD3r | DarKnesS_WolF, Its copying... |
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| 18:18.40 | S4nD3r | I need to use those CDs to boot the computers |
| 18:18.41 | DarKnesS_WolF | S4nD3r: crose ur fingers :P |
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| 18:18.48 | S4nD3r | of course |
| 18:18.53 | Dr_Fie | yay, i got synergy to work with gdm |
| 18:18.55 | Dr_Fie | whee |
| 18:18.57 | Dr_Fie | omg... i'm not sure if i shoudl be happy or not yet |
| 18:18.58 | DarKnesS_WolF | S4nD3r: dd is taking exactly the same image |
| 18:19.02 | Dr_Fie | i've had problems with synergy crashing both boxes |
| 18:19.09 | soymilk | rares000: you don't have your cd drive under LVM do you? |
| 18:19.10 | alexander_ | hi |
| 18:19.14 | DarKnesS_WolF | S4nD3r: u can check md5sum after finsing to make sure everyhting is burned correctly |
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| 18:19.46 | alexander_ | hello |
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| 18:20.00 | PupenoL | Hello. |
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| 18:20.10 | alexander_ | can anyone help with a linux problem |
| 18:20.11 | S4nD3r | Dar |
| 18:20.16 | S4nD3r | DarKnesS_WolF, Oh... Good this one |
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| 18:20.22 | Dr_Fie | alexander_: no goto ##linux :P |
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| 18:20.27 | Dr_Fie | alexander_: what's the problem? |
| 18:20.38 | PupenoL | Is it possible to list all the installade packages that came from an specific repository (or all the installed packages for which the repository doesn't exist anymore) ? |
| 18:20.49 | alexander_ | i am new to the whole linux thing |
| 18:20.53 | DarKnesS_WolF | S4nD3r: u should check the md5sum for the iso that u created with dd 1st ;-) |
| 18:21.03 | rares000 | my cd is not under lvm |
| 18:21.04 | alexander_ | and i am having problems installing things |
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| 18:21.19 | alexander_ | is there a standard way of doing it |
| 18:21.24 | DarKnesS_WolF | alexander_: ur using debian ? |
| 18:21.27 | azeem | PupenoL: apt-cache show <package> has a Filename: tag in it. If you are lucky, it might encode the repository |
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| 18:21.37 | blondie | DarKnesS_WolF: "u" is not a word |
| 18:21.38 | thingfish | alexander_: synaptic is good for beginners - it's really easy to use. |
| 18:21.40 | blondie | ;) |
| 18:21.51 | Dr_Fie | PupenoL: apt-cache search "" |
| 18:21.54 | azeem | PupenoL: otherwise, maybe some grep-dctrl/grep-available magic might do |
| 18:21.58 | PupenoL | azeem: but I need the list of packages, not to know package by package. |
| 18:22.13 | DarKnesS_WolF | blondie: aliens like me don't have standards ;) |
| 18:22.20 | rares000 | what's the difference between discover udev hotplug |
| 18:22.30 | alexander_ | i am using ubuntu |
| 18:22.37 | PupenoL | Dr_Fie: that only list packages with their descriptions. |
| 18:22.39 | azeem | alexander_: #ubuntu |
| 18:22.41 | blondie | alexander_: #ubuntu might be better |
| 18:22.42 | PupenoL | alexander_: #ubuntup |
| 18:22.51 | thingfish | alexander_: then you need to go to #ubuntu - we don't do ubuntu support here at all. |
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| 18:23.06 | inwind | hi |
| 18:23.08 | alexander_ | ok thanks |
| 18:23.11 | mike_sol | rares000, i think udev is the preferred way now |
| 18:23.17 | Dr_Fie | PupenoL: you said list all of the packages in a repository? |
| 18:23.19 | DarKnesS_WolF | 3 guys saking Ubuntu in same sec. |
| 18:23.22 | mike_sol | hotplug and udev used to go hand in hand |
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| 18:23.24 | Dr_Fie | arn't there xml files with all the packages? |
| 18:23.25 | inwind | anyone as installed debian on alphaserver 10000? |
| 18:23.26 | DarKnesS_WolF | hehe this like a god yalling for ubuntu :P |
| 18:23.27 | Dr_Fie | or rtf files |
| 18:23.31 | Dr_Fie | rdf |
| 18:23.34 | Dr_Fie | something like that? |
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| 18:23.38 | Dr_Fie | just goto the url and see what happens |
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| 18:23.57 | mike_sol | inwind, no, but i would like to! i had an unhealthy obsession with alphas when they were new, but never got my grubby hands on one |
| 18:24.03 | PupenoL | Dr_Fie: in a particular repository, not every configured repository. I want the list of packages installed that I got from a particular repository (to remove them). |
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| 18:24.15 | rares000 | mike sol do I need any of the others if I have udev? |
| 18:24.20 | Dr_Fie | oh that you GOT from a preticular repository |
| 18:24.25 | mike_sol | rares000, stable/testing/unstable? |
| 18:24.34 | rares000 | experimental |
| 18:24.37 | azeem | PupenoL: /var/lib/apt/lists/*Packages has the data |
| 18:24.39 | mike_sol | holy shit why |
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| 18:24.54 | azeem | PupenoL: pick the repo you want, grep out all the Packages in there and try to remove them all, I'd say |
| 18:24.59 | rares000 | because I'm masochist |
| 18:25.02 | azeem | PupenoL: that might be dangerous, though |
| 18:25.07 | mike_sol | if you have to ask questions you shouldnt be using experimental.... i'd say just use udev, cause that's the way unstables going right now |
| 18:25.12 | inwind | mike_sol, i need a roo.img on floppy for alpha |
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| 18:25.29 | mike_sol | inwind, isn't there one on the debian mirrors? |
| 18:25.37 | rares000 | is discover necessary anymore then? |
| 18:25.45 | azeem | rares000: only for configuring X, AFAIK |
| 18:25.48 | inwind | i not find to download it |
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| 18:26.12 | inwind | the fd img i need a link on mirror |
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| 18:26.15 | mike_sol | inwind, oh, looks like there's only CD images |
| 18:26.16 | stouset | How can I blacklist a module, now that hotplug has been superceded by udev? |
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| 18:26.28 | mike_sol | inwind, can you use a CD? |
| 18:26.31 | inwind | netinstall only on cd |
| 18:26.43 | inwind | michael, nope |
| 18:26.49 | valdyn_ | stouset: the same way, hotplug is just included in udev |
| 18:26.51 | abrotman | stouset: "superceded" .. hehe .. that's good |
| 18:26.51 | mike_sol | inwind, you don't want netinstall i assume? |
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| 18:27.02 | DarKnesS_WolF | inwind: did u check the intalled docs ? about the floopy images? |
| 18:27.04 | enveezee | stouset: apt-get --purge remove hotplug udev |
| 18:27.04 | inwind | cd during boot not found on my alphaserver |
| 18:27.17 | inwind | D |
| 18:27.17 | mike_sol | inwind, http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-alpha/current/ |
| 18:27.22 | mike_sol | it's older |
| 18:27.28 | mike_sol | but then you can upgrade to whatever |
| 18:27.34 | stouset | enveezee: Great advice, if I actually wanted to get rid of udev :P |
| 18:27.38 | inwind | tank mike_sol |
| 18:27.42 | mike_sol | np |
| 18:27.48 | fatal_ | enveezee: why not just suggest installing slackware or some other crap like that? |
| 18:27.49 | PupenoL | funny, synaptic can do exactly what I want without problem. |
| 18:28.00 | siegheil | SIEGHEIL!!!!! HEIL HITLER!!! |
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| 18:28.13 | marstewel | siegheil: stop that shit |
| 18:28.13 | valdyn_ | !ops siegheil spamming |
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| 18:28.16 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: siegheil spamming |
| 18:28.19 | enveezee | I need to have a look at my mp3 player but I am too tired.. it was playing like 30-45sec of songs and skipping to another all night last night.. I am not sure if its because I acidentally pulled it out of that windows machine at work without unmounting or what |
| 18:28.21 | stouset | siegheil: You misspelled 'troll'. |
| 18:28.34 | siegheil | lol |
| 18:28.35 | mike_sol | in english, it's spelt 'Hail' |
| 18:28.37 | enveezee | I have games on there, and all the games worked fine after that.. just fucked my music |
| 18:28.38 | rares000 | ok now my problem: do I need udev to detect the drive before I can mount |
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| 18:28.49 | mike_sol | rares000, what kind of drive is it |
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| 18:29.07 | rares000 | laptop IDE |
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| 18:29.18 | mike_sol | really if you have LVM built into the kernel you should be able to get at it using the initial, static /dev nodes that exist before udev mounts over them |
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| 18:29.37 | mike_sol | you may need to run MAKEDEV with udev not running to make sure the dev files exist |
| 18:29.41 | jshriver | Greetings... how do you redirect X to another machine? I remember in csh it was: |
| 18:29.45 | valdyn_ | rares000: as long as the drive is on the same controller as your bootdisk, you have to do nothing at all |
| 18:29.48 | jshriver | setenv DISPLAY=IP:0.0 |
| 18:29.59 | jshriver | how do you do it in BASH? |
| 18:30.09 | marstewel | jshriver: for you or for every user on the machine? |
| 18:30.17 | mike_sol | jshriver, export DISPLAY=whatever |
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| 18:30.29 | marstewel | jshriver: export the variable in /etc/profile (if its for everybody) |
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| 18:30.30 | server_newbie | Hi all I want to set up ssh on a different port, the rub is my company as the firewall locked down good. How do I find a port that will be open in my company firewall so I can config a non-standard port for ssh ? |
| 18:30.37 | abrotman | jshriver: export ? |
| 18:30.40 | mike_sol | jshriver, these days we like to use ssh -X instead though |
| 18:30.45 | mike_sol | then your X is secure |
| 18:30.46 | abrotman | !sshx |
| 18:30.46 | dpkg | somebody said sshx was Enable X11Forwarding **on the server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
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| 18:30.54 | marstewel | server_newbie: ask your admin for open ports |
| 18:31.16 | jshriver | trying to run some of my linux code on various windows machines running Cygwin X |
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| 18:31.26 | soundmartian | anyone have any luck putting oracle 10g on sarge? |
| 18:31.37 | valdyn_ | jshriver: export VAR=name |
| 18:31.38 | stew | server_newbie: the only way to discover what ports are open is the try them, try 80 |
| 18:31.45 | marstewel | soundmartian: it is *OFFICIALLY* not supported... |
| 18:31.49 | dli | server_newbie, or ask them to set up an ssh gate |
| 18:31.54 | jshriver | thansk, it's working now :) exported the IP and xhost + on the client side.. |
| 18:31.55 | jshriver | thanks :) |
| 18:31.59 | jshriver | Gtk-Perl is really nice |
| 18:32.02 | soundmartian | marstewel, that's what I gather |
| 18:32.09 | stew | jshriver: xhost + is a HORRIBLE idea |
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| 18:32.23 | jshriver | stew: on the windows machine |
| 18:32.35 | marstewel | on either one it is a bad idea |
| 18:32.35 | stew | jshriver: it will let anyone who can see your machine on the network grab every keystroke |
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| 18:32.46 | jshriver | ? frorm cygwin? |
| 18:32.50 | dli | jshriver, still, use ssh XForwarding |
| 18:33.00 | jshriver | I dont know much about Windows... |
| 18:33.05 | valdyn_ | jshriver: if you do that, your should at least start your X with -nolisten tcp |
| 18:33.15 | jshriver | will have to find a ssh for cygwin then... |
| 18:33.16 | mike_sol_BRB | server_newbie, best thing is to ask the admin. alternately tell me the IP and i will nmap you for free |
| 18:33.16 | rares000 | ok so when my system boots my wirekess fails because the firmware on /usr isn't mounted yet |
| 18:33.21 | valdyn_ | jshriver: even cygwin X should support that |
| 18:33.40 | stew | jshriver: from whatever xserver you typed xhost+ on, there is ssh in cygwin |
| 18:33.41 | jshriver | is it possible start x on Windows withou having to run bash, startx, etc... |
| 18:33.46 | mike_sol_BRB | jshriver, cygwin should have ssh if i remember. |
| 18:33.53 | dli | jshriver, run "ssh -X -Y" |
| 18:33.55 | server_newbie | thanks all the same mike_sol)brb ;-> |
| 18:33.57 | jshriver | command not found hrm.. |
| 18:33.57 | marstewel | mike_sol_BRB: port scan is the first step prior attack ... |
| 18:34.08 | jshriver | or if you guys recommend a better free X for WinXP. |
| 18:34.15 | mike_sol_BRB | marstewel, yep |
| 18:34.20 | soundmartian | marstewel, does that mean I can't get any help here? |
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| 18:34.23 | dli | jshriver, install openssh in cygwin |
| 18:34.26 | wang | can anyone help me set up sendmail or postfix to send mail using a gmail account? |
| 18:34.30 | marstewel | soundmartian: no |
| 18:34.32 | jshriver | ok thanks let me see |
| 18:34.33 | jshriver | brrb |
| 18:34.33 | stew | jshriver: xorg runs just fine in cygwin, |
| 18:34.35 | mike_sol_BRB | jshriver, x-deep32 is alright |
| 18:34.39 | marstewel | wang: I recommend postfix |
| 18:34.43 | phaedrus_ | hey hey |
| 18:34.52 | wang | marstewel : i don't know how to set it up |
| 18:34.52 | phaedrus_ | any one wanna help me with ndiswrapper issue? |
| 18:34.55 | valdyn_ | wang: why would you need that? which mail client are you using? |
| 18:34.58 | mike_sol_BRB | fuck i was gonna brb wasnt i |
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| 18:35.09 | marstewel | wang: apt-get install postfix postfix-tls as first step |
| 18:35.35 | wang | valdyn_ : well i have many mail clients installed but i like using mutt |
| 18:35.45 | soymilk | wang: read the docs on smtp client auth |
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| 18:35.55 | valdyn_ | wang: alright, then you do need ( something like ) that. |
| 18:35.56 | stew | wang: why not just use gmail's smtp server? |
| 18:36.04 | wang | i'm just having problems setting them up to use smtp.gmail.com |
| 18:36.04 | soymilk | wang: or use the solution i proposed earlier |
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| 18:36.11 | wang | stew: i don't know? |
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| 18:37.06 | kadigibox | Could someone remind me what program I use to burn an ISO to DVD |
| 18:37.21 | snull | growisofs |
| 18:37.23 | valdyn_ | kadigibox: growiofs -Z /dev/dvd=file.iso |
| 18:37.26 | kadigibox | thanks |
| 18:37.29 | valdyn_ | kadigibox: growisofs -Z /dev/dvd=file.iso |
| 18:37.37 | wang | stew: how can i make my system send mail through smtp.gmail.com port 587 using tls without installing postfix? |
| 18:38.03 | valdyn_ | wang: tried 'man muttrc' ? |
| 18:38.03 | snull | wang: with msmtp for example |
| 18:38.07 | kadigibox | valdyn_, thanks for that info. I could have read my man pages for that though but thanks |
| 18:38.15 | phaedrus_ | my usb wireless G adapter cuts out after around 20 minutes and wont light up untill i reboot...i used ndiswrapper |
| 18:38.35 | obs | anyone know what "ACPI: PCI interrupt" mean? |
| 18:38.40 | wang | ok i'm installing msmtp |
| 18:38.46 | valdyn_ | phaedrus_: we cant debug ndiswrapper / driver interactions for you.. |
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| 18:38.55 | phaedrus_ | oh ok... |
| 18:39.00 | phaedrus_ | how come? |
| 18:39.04 | phaedrus_ | just curious |
| 18:39.22 | valdyn_ | phaedrus_: the drivers are windows drivers and they are binary only |
| 18:39.28 | phaedrus_ | ahh |
| 18:39.34 | caee | how can i found out which charset a file is? |
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| 18:39.42 | valdyn_ | phaedrus_: maybe you can find a different ( newer / older ) driver that works better |
| 18:39.52 | phaedrus_ | ok cool...ill try that |
| 18:39.54 | phaedrus_ | thanks |
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| 18:40.50 | valdyn_ | caee: file <file> |
| 18:41.01 | abancroft | I am having trouble getting a php script to be interpreted in Debian, is there something special I have to do? |
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| 18:41.11 | caee | valdyn_Ã: thanks :) |
| 18:41.25 | abancroft | ie. 'php /path/script.php' |
| 18:41.40 | stew | abancroft: apt-get install php-cli ; add #!/usr/bin/php to the top of the file and chmod +x the file |
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| 18:41.54 | abancroft | stew: thank you |
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| 18:42.13 | stew | abancroft: oh if you want to ru php scrip.php, and not just script.php, skip the last 2 steps |
| 18:42.19 | stew | ^ru^run |
| 18:42.48 | server_newbie | I want to get knockd up and running I have a linksys in front of debian server. I have knockd up and ports forward thru linksys I want to knock. I have the config file created for knock. I am at a loss with what to do next. |
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| 18:43.41 | valdyn_ | server_newbie: run knockd and enjoy? |
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| 18:43.59 | airox | Isn't it then possible to look which ports are the linksys router and which are from the debian server by means of os fingerprinting ? |
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| 18:44.04 | airox | (just a side note) |
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| 18:44.19 | kaouete | yo |
| 18:44.23 | server_newbie | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.39 | valdyn_ | server_newbie: nope, why? |
| 18:44.59 | soymilk | airox: theres a difference between open and listening ports |
| 18:45.03 | valdyn_ | server_newbie: ( except that you might want to not block/drop those ports with iptables, but that is not done by default |
| 18:45.29 | valdyn_ | soymilk: and what would that be? |
| 18:45.32 | server_newbie | I must have missed something than |
| 18:45.40 | soymilk | valdyn_: run nmap and see :-) |
| 18:45.49 | server_newbie | k |
| 18:45.53 | airox | i guess soymilk means closed and stealth ports |
| 18:46.12 | soymilk | i mean ports open on the firewall router and ones that services are actually listening to |
| 18:46.19 | valdyn_ | soymilk: not - listening ports are a) closed or b) unknown ( due to firewall ) |
| 18:46.20 | kaouete | i have a problem with a usb device, i think it use a hotplug script to set permissions on the dev, but since hotplug was removed when using udev on etch, i cant access to the device with normal user, only root works. and if i try to set the dev's permission, it doesnt work too (/dev/usbdevx.y i think it is, but muybe it is not the right place to modify this). someone has encountered a problem like that ? |
| 18:46.41 | soymilk | valdyn_: closed yes |
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| 18:47.22 | estel | hi, i've installed debian sarge and updated to testing, but i cannot find some programs i'd like to use (amarok and unionfs to mention two); any idea? |
| 18:47.23 | airox | But I guess knockd doesn't send TCP reset packats on connections to the ports where it's listening on. |
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| 18:48.32 | sniperjo | Hi guys |
| 18:48.35 | estel | my sources.list (except deb-src and security-updates): deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib |
| 18:48.38 | estel | any idea? |
| 18:48.42 | azeem | estel: amarok is currently unavailable in testing due to library transitions |
| 18:48.50 | mike_sol | estel, amarok should just be apt-get install amarok |
| 18:48.58 | mike_sol | aha |
| 18:49.00 | mike_sol | nm then |
| 18:49.05 | azeem | estel: well, that is my guess. It is popular enough that it will soon be available again I guess |
| 18:49.06 | server_newbie | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.08 | mike_sol | go unstable for fun and profit |
| 18:49.09 | sniperjo | IS there a command to check the state of a DEmond? |
| 18:49.20 | valdyn_ | server_newbie: i dont know that program, is it from a debian package? |
| 18:49.24 | estel | ok, and what abount unionfs? problem with gcc4? |
| 18:49.26 | azeem | estel: dunno about unionfs? |
| 18:49.32 | azeem | estel: did you have it on sarge? |
| 18:49.50 | estel | no, because sarge uses kernel 2.6.8 and that's too old for unionfs |
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| 18:49.56 | valdyn_ | server_newbie: /etc/init.d/knockd restart |
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| 18:50.05 | server_newbie | yep i'll read man but i didn't see it there |
| 18:50.14 | estel | runs at kernel 2.6.9 and above i think, but i'm not sure... |
| 18:50.21 | iss | hi |
| 18:50.24 | valdyn_ | !why is unionfs-source not in testing |
| 18:50.25 | dpkg | unionfs-source is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=unionfs-source |
| 18:50.27 | sniperjo | How can I check a daemonds Status ? |
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| 18:50.38 | iss | apt-get upgrade freezes when preparing to update portmap. |
| 18:50.42 | iss | what to do? |
| 18:50.43 | server_newbie | Port-knock daemon: config: line 1: all directives must belong to a section |
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| 18:50.56 | azeem | iss: any error message? |
| 18:50.58 | server_newbie | any know what the above means ? |
| 18:50.59 | mike_sol | iss what kind of freeze |
| 18:51.06 | valdyn_ | sniperjo: what kind of status? |
| 18:51.15 | gberardi | How can I read the README.gz in /usr/share/docs/ ? |
| 18:51.20 | iss | mike_sol: it hasn't cotinued for about 3 minutes. |
| 18:51.24 | server_newbie | typo got it |
| 18:51.27 | sniperjo | valdyn : well, if its running stoped |
| 18:51.27 | azeem | gberardi: most pagers/editors can handle them fine |
| 18:51.30 | streuner | gberardi: zless |
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| 18:51.35 | gberardi | thanks |
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| 18:51.39 | streuner | gbera: zless foo.gz |
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| 18:51.44 | estel | ok, but no problem - how can i change back to gcc 3.3 in order to compile unionfs myself? |
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| 18:52.02 | azeem | estel: install gcc-3.3, export CC=gcc-3.3 |
| 18:52.02 | iss | oh... now it says "stopping portmap deamon: portmap" |
| 18:52.02 | valdyn_ | sniperjo: ps aux | grep <name> |
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| 18:52.06 | mike_sol | apt-get install gcc-3.3? but that may fuck up other things |
| 18:52.14 | azeem | mike_sol: why? |
| 18:52.16 | valdyn_ | sniperjo: or netstat -plunt ( as root ) |
| 18:52.33 | iss | it seems to take him very long to bring that deamon down. |
| 18:52.37 | estel | we'll see :) |
| 18:52.45 | mike_sol | i'm not the best to explain WHY, but i've had problems with some stuff. when i build the kernel with one C and stuff that's kernel-related with another |
| 18:52.58 | mike_sol | i'd build the kernel with the same C as the modules just to be on the safe side |
| 18:53.09 | sniperjo | valdylin : thanks |
| 18:53.09 | mike_sol | but try it either way, if you do it right you wont break anything |
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| 18:54.22 | sniperjo | valdlin: Where would it show me its state eg. RUnning / stoped |
| 18:54.37 | server_newbie | one last ? How do I resolve this ? could not open eth1: socket: Operation not permitted |
| 18:54.37 | valdyn_ | sniperjo: if its listed in either of these commands then its running |
| 18:54.56 | sniperjo | valdlin: IS there a way I can tell if its stoped? |
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| 18:55.26 | valdyn_ | sniperjo: well, if a process is not in ps aux then it is non-existant = not running |
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| 18:56.12 | valdyn_ | sniperjo: if you are looking for something like windows services management: that doesnt exist |
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| 18:56.48 | sniperjo | valdlin: ok thanks |
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| 18:58.28 | valdyn_ | !gcc-3.3 |
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| 18:58.52 | valdyn_ | !test |
| 18:58.52 | dpkg | Yes, valdyn_, you're still online. |
| 18:58.56 | estel | is there a reason not to use gcc-3.4? |
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| 18:59.26 | valdyn_ | estel: dont mix kernel / modules from different compilers. |
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| 18:59.54 | estel | kernel-image-2.6.12 was compiled with gcc-3.3? |
| 19:00.05 | theD3viL | if i install hal my cdroms mp3player and stuff like that will auto mount? |
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| 19:00.27 | valdyn_ | estel: cat /proc/version |
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| 19:01.04 | estel | gcc4, but I thought you cannot compile the kernel using gcc4 yet? |
| 19:01.07 | wang | is there no pine port for debian? |
| 19:01.22 | loukoum | When I am playing wmv streams with mplayer for exemple it is breaking of all the time, I do not have this problem with rm streams or under windo*s so it's not my connection, an idea ? |
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| 19:01.27 | azeem | wang: pine is non-free |
| 19:01.28 | valdyn_ | estel: you cannot compile kernels <2.6.12 with gcc4 |
| 19:01.35 | wang | it's not? |
| 19:01.38 | wang | it's free on freebsd |
| 19:01.43 | estel | 'doh! |
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| 19:01.57 | azeem | wang: it is non-free |
| 19:01.57 | Supaplex | wang: read the fscking license |
| 19:01.58 | azeem | wang: http://packages.debian.org/stable/source/pine |
| 19:02.06 | soymilk | if one has root logins disabled for sshd, is there some way to work around it when you want to say, rsync or scp over some files that needs root perms? |
| 19:02.11 | d03boy | non-free != $$$ |
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| 19:02.21 | azeem | wang: binary distribution is restricted, freebsd might not care about that |
| 19:02.28 | Supaplex | non-free is about control freaks, oss or otherwise |
| 19:02.58 | aimtrainer | "The problem you described has been seen before in tests. It the test case, the anti-virus program was accessing the flash drive at the time of delete and causing errors. Try turning off your AV - if indeed you are running one - when deleting from the flash drive." (from http://www.mepislovers.org) Are there linux-viruses and linux anti-virus software?? |
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| 19:03.41 | valdyn_ | aimtrainer: yes |
| 19:04.02 | aimtrainer | oh always thaught there were none |
| 19:04.04 | aimtrainer | dammit |
| 19:04.24 | Supaplex | it only takes one virus to answer your question yes. |
| 19:04.38 | Supaplex | now ask about the relative threat they impose on linux |
| 19:04.42 | aimtrainer | would you recommand to me running an AV? |
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| 19:05.40 | valdyn_ | aimtrainer: sure, though viruses are really practically non-existant |
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| 19:06.58 | estel | are you sure you can comile the kernel using gcc4? |
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| 19:07.10 | valdyn_ | soymilk: no |
| 19:07.27 | soymilk | valdyn_: :-( |
| 19:07.52 | User268 | this is a non linux qu - but im in the UK and want to find somwhere i can buy and import corndogs - very odd qu i know, but google knows nothing on this matter |
| 19:07.54 | valdyn_ | soymilk: well actually you could use 'su' or 'sudo' |
| 19:07.56 | server_newbie | Is this the right command to close a port in knockd? |
| 19:08.09 | soymilk | its really an annoyance, because i normally want them disabled, but then i can't use a lot of my scripts to sync things |
| 19:08.21 | abrotman | valdyn_: for linux .. |
| 19:08.44 | server_newbie | "/sbin/iptables -D INPUT -s 192.168.1.23 -p tcp --dport 1111 -j ACCEPT" |
| 19:09.00 | soymilk | valdyn_: yes i can embed sudo into the ssh command |
| 19:09.21 | abrotman | server_newbie: #iptables |
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| 19:11.50 | aimtrainer | valdyn_ thx -just read an article about linux vs windows concerning viruses |
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| 19:12.05 | aimtrainer | they say there d be like 40 linux viruses |
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| 19:12.17 | donmon | hi |
| 19:12.19 | aimtrainer | what prog would u recommand to me? |
| 19:12.22 | abrotman | aimtrainer: stop reading the internet |
| 19:12.27 | abrotman | !tell aimtrainer about u |
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| 19:12.37 | aimtrainer | ? |
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| 19:13.00 | stew | aimtrainer: what version does "dpkg -l php4" report? (if any) |
| 19:13.00 | Gathond | aimtrainer: there probably are 40 linux virusses ... then again there are what a couple of milion windows onew |
| 19:13.02 | aimtrainer | ok (if I am allowed to say that) |
| 19:13.16 | valdyn_ | aimtrainer: oh there's plenty linux viruses, but user issues are about viruses that are actually spreading |
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| 19:13.45 | mike_sol | i suppose a "linux virus" could just be a shell script, eh? |
| 19:13.46 | abrotman | and afaik .. clamav etc .. will not stop any virus that proliferates via php4 |
| 19:14.00 | aimtrainer | stew 4.3.10-12 |
| 19:14.09 | tarzeau | abrotman: apt-get install ree; sudo ree |
| 19:14.19 | donmon | i have some silly plone-problems, which are debian-specific.. i cant install new Zope-Products.. i tried these paths: /home/instance/Products /usr/share/zope/Products and /usr/share/zope2.7/lib/python/Products.. no on these works.. and error.log has nothing about the new Product.. what is the right path in debian sarge? |
| 19:14.33 | abrotman | tarzeau: but what was it ? |
| 19:14.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: file *.rom |
| 19:14.47 | abrotman | tarzeau: from what though! |
| 19:14.53 | stew | aimtrainer: thats quite an old on, and it is vulnerable, you should update to the latest debian stable |
| 19:15.06 | aimtrainer | ok I'll do so |
| 19:15.11 | abrotman | i'm not even sure where that version came from |
| 19:15.17 | tarzeau | abrotman: video card, scsi card, network card |
| 19:15.19 | aimtrainer | thanks everybody! |
| 19:15.20 | stew | probable testing before the sarge release |
| 19:15.22 | aimtrainer | got to go |
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| 19:15.36 | stew | aimtrainer: edit sources.list change testing to stable, apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade |
| 19:15.45 | stew | aimtrainer: and make sure you have a security.debian.org line in there |
| 19:15.45 | abrotman | that's a prerelease sarge php4 package |
| 19:15.56 | aimtrainer | stew yea ut I can do the same thing via synaptic? |
| 19:16.03 | aimtrainer | kinda more comfortable |
| 19:16.20 | stew | sure |
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| 19:16.36 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 19:16.36 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. |
| 19:16.45 | aimtrainer | by the way: Can't I use any abbreviations here or are people just pissed about others saying u for you? |
| 19:17.01 | nino | 3klsujmfgj dnvgkj |
| 19:17.03 | abrotman | !u |
| 19:17.03 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 19:17.06 | abrotman | !wud |
| 19:17.06 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
| 19:17.12 | nino | jski mkdhy mvnvjh nvjgh |
| 19:17.13 | abrotman | tarzeau: ree isn't in sarge! |
| 19:17.17 | nino | ;dgeoo |
| 19:17.18 | valdyn_ | aimtrainer: only the lazy typer/aol user "abbreviations" |
| 19:17.19 | abrotman | nino: english |
| 19:17.19 | tarzeau | abrotman: no it isn't |
| 19:17.20 | nino | 'kfjnfp [ |
| 19:17.26 | abrotman | !ops nino |
| 19:17.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: nino |
| 19:17.28 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've got a backport if you want |
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| 19:17.31 | nino | yes |
| 19:17.35 | abrotman | nino: what?1 |
| 19:17.36 | abrotman | grr |
| 19:17.39 | abrotman | ops .. ignore |
| 19:17.57 | abrotman | nino: we speak english in the channel .. not whatever that was |
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| 19:18.19 | mike_sol | 'cat on keyboardish' |
| 19:18.28 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 19:18.36 | stew | utf-4 maybe |
| 19:18.47 | nino | no speak english |
| 19:18.53 | abrotman | nino: what do you speak ? |
| 19:18.58 | Kovecses | openoffice 2.0 is pretty good |
| 19:18.59 | EdibleText | !leet |
| 19:18.59 | dpkg | /me is leet cos he can start lines with a / |
| 19:19.23 | nino | no |
| 19:19.31 | abrotman | nino: espanol? francais? |
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| 19:19.35 | nino | english |
| 19:19.36 | nino | no |
| 19:19.43 | nino | italia |
| 19:19.45 | nino | si |
| 19:19.46 | abrotman | !it |
| 19:19.46 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
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| 19:21.13 | abrotman | helix: thank you |
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| 19:21.50 | Kovecses | do you guys think gnome 2.12 will be backported to sarge |
| 19:22.06 | abrotman | Kovecses: maybe .. /msg dpkg backports |
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| 19:25.15 | SplasPood | Anyone aware of any issues /w cacti under current testing? |
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| 19:25.26 | kadigibox | what is NFS? |
| 19:26.06 | estel | network file system |
| 19:26.11 | ubik` | some kind of drug |
| 19:26.15 | estel | a filesystem you can mount from another pc |
| 19:26.15 | Kovecses | what package do i need to play cd's? |
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| 19:27.43 | eeyore- | Kovecses: xmms? or just push the play button on the cd drive if there's one :-) |
| 19:27.57 | eeyore- | Kovecses: there are plenty of cd play app for gnome/kde environments. |
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| 19:28.19 | eeyore- | Kovecses: you can even get plain X one ... |
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| 19:28.38 | lgn | heya |
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| 19:29.24 | lgn | does anyone crash on http://www.movieweb.com/movies/trailers.php with firefox 1.0.7 or 1.5b/rc? |
| 19:29.53 | lgn | i found two ubuntu users in #firefox on irc.m.o and they had no problems, but they're runnin a different version of gtk and probably different Xorg also |
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| 19:30.00 | rvalles | hi |
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| 19:30.17 | rvalles | just a question... where are the install floppies? |
| 19:30.24 | abrotman | for sarge ? |
| 19:30.26 | rvalles | yes |
| 19:30.27 | abrotman | !sarge bf |
| 19:30.28 | dpkg | sarge floppies is, like, http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitue your arch for i386 |
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| 19:30.41 | rvalles | hard to find! |
| 19:30.49 | abrotman | it's in the install guide |
| 19:30.52 | rvalles | the "getting debian" -> "netinst" -> floppies page |
| 19:30.58 | rvalles | should have it! |
| 19:31.07 | abrotman | rvalles: file a bug :) |
| 19:31.12 | rvalles | very confusing to find them |
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| 19:31.26 | rvalles | abrotman: are there newer floppies? |
| 19:32.02 | fbi | there's no 'newer' sarge anything. sarge is frozen. |
| 19:33.02 | rvalles | !etch bf |
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| 19:33.12 | rvalles | !testing bf |
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| 19:33.33 | rvalles | abrotman: no newer floppies for testing or unstable? :/ |
| 19:33.36 | estel | yeah, unionfs and shfs module compiled using gcc4 :) |
| 19:33.46 | abrotman | rvalles: maybe a daily set of floppies |
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| 19:34.02 | abrotman | rvalles: debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
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| 19:34.12 | rvalles | thanks |
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| 19:35.50 | rvalles | estel: here they did using 4.1 from a CVS snapshot of this month. |
| 19:35.52 | rvalles | estel: ;) |
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| 19:36.13 | estel | but i have still to comile cloop |
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| 19:36.20 | marstewel | Which file contains entries for currently exported NFS directories? |
| 19:36.25 | froze | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
| 19:36.27 | estel | first time it took me about 6 hours to get it compiled |
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| 19:36.44 | marstewel | estel: what thing? the kernel? |
| 19:36.48 | estel | then i found a simple howto, but i think i've lost the link |
| 19:36.54 | estel | no, just the cloop-module |
| 19:36.57 | marstewel | ah |
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| 19:37.08 | marstewel | google should be your friend :) |
| 19:37.14 | Coke | Hey all. I've had a solution for this once, but I have all needed USB modules and joydev loaded, but dmesg shows no trace of registering my joypad when I insert it, what am I missing? |
| 19:37.14 | estel | my first kernel didn't need 6 hours ;-) |
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| 19:37.28 | estel | but it didn't work propably -> SuSE :( |
| 19:37.35 | marstewel | heh |
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| 19:37.41 | rvalles | froze: thanks too :) |
| 19:37.48 | turing | hey all, anyone here running sagr with courier-ssl? |
| 19:37.53 | mik54 | tar cf - foo.tar | /usr/local/bin/ssh -e none 1.1.1.1 tar xf - : How would I extract to a specific directory? |
| 19:37.54 | marstewel | me turing |
| 19:37.58 | suid | Is SuSE still alive? |
| 19:38.02 | turing | I just upgraded my openssl packages and TLS broke |
| 19:38.03 | marstewel | suid: yes |
| 19:38.12 | suid | umm |
| 19:38.15 | turing | (the security update) |
| 19:38.16 | marstewel | turing: to which version? the one in security.debian.org |
| 19:38.20 | turing | yeah |
| 19:38.26 | stew | mik54: -C |
| 19:38.28 | marstewel | hmm, at my place it still does work flawlessly |
| 19:38.35 | turing | libssl0.9.7 0.9.7e-3sarge1 |
| 19:38.36 | marstewel | any logging entries? |
| 19:38.41 | turing | courier-ssl 0.47-4sarge3 |
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| 19:38.52 | Andres | http://img485.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10030703hk.jpg |
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| 19:38.54 | Andres | :D |
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| 19:39.36 | turing | oh I think I know why |
| 19:39.47 | turing | I have custom patched libsasl2 debs |
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| 19:40.02 | turing | because libsasl2 isn't compiled by default --with-courierauthdaemond |
| 19:40.04 | marstewel | why do you use custom patched libsasl2 debs ? |
| 19:40.04 | turing | crap |
| 19:40.08 | turing | the above |
| 19:40.09 | marstewel | ah |
| 19:40.12 | turing | the default is screwed |
| 19:40.18 | turing | once you change libsasl2 |
| 19:40.20 | marstewel | did you file a bug report ? |
| 19:40.23 | turing | it makes postfix with virtual users EASY |
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| 19:40.33 | turing | yes, I can't remember the # |
| 19:40.38 | turing | should look again ;) |
| 19:40.50 | marstewel | I am using the default packages and it works easily also with virtual users |
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| 19:41.03 | turing | my problem was postfix virtual users and crypted passwords |
| 19:41.09 | turing | there is lots of crap out there on this |
| 19:41.21 | turing | and lots of solutions, mine has worked out well until this moment ;) |
| 19:41.22 | turing | brb |
| 19:41.25 | ciscooo | hello guys, I just want to know how to configure my WiFi interface with WEP key on Linux debian please. |
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| 19:42.17 | cybmas | sera |
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| 19:43.23 | cybmas | someone just test plone2.1 (from testing) with linguaplone? |
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| 19:43.58 | estel | ok, cloop works too; next time i'll just compile the module and not the rest :) |
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| 19:44.45 | estel | thank you all for your help ^^ |
| 19:44.54 | estel | have a nice day |
| 19:45.10 | Andy837 | i have got a hard drive which i want to put in my linux box to store info on which i need my windows machine to be able to acces (RW) how should i formate it? |
| 19:45.12 | Andy837 | ext2 or ext3 |
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| 19:45.49 | ciscooo | could I get any help pls? |
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| 19:47.05 | Craig` | Hi |
| 19:47.22 | Craig` | Anyone noticed weird errors with libpcre.so.3 after todays' update in unstable? |
| 19:47.30 | Kovecses | my bittorrent clients are not working |
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| 19:48.22 | overlade | hi all |
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| 19:48.30 | Kovecses | hello |
| 19:48.44 | overlade | i have a problem :'( , i can't mount ! |
| 19:48.44 | Craig` | I've got problems even with init after todays' upgrade. |
| 19:48.48 | marstewel | Andy837: ext3 is ext2 + journaling |
| 19:48.52 | Craig` | overlade, describe. |
| 19:49.03 | Craig` | overlade, we want every detail *pervert* ;-) |
| 19:49.09 | Andy837 | define: journaling |
| 19:49.24 | marstewel | !journaling |
| 19:49.24 | dpkg | Journaling filesystems in a nutshell: <peterS> fast but dangerous: reiserfs. slow but reliable: ext3. fast, mostly reliable, and *huge*: xfs. medium speed, probably reliable: jfs. unknown, probably buggy: reiser4. If you have to ask, use ext3, or see http://fsbench.netnation.com/ |
| 19:49.41 | marstewel | !ext3 |
| 19:49.41 | dpkg | [ext3] the One True Filesystem. If you have to ask what filesystem you should be using, use ext3. Ask me about "ext2->ext3", "xfs" and "ricerfs". |
| 19:49.54 | Craig` | Andy837, the fs is journaled, so it can be easily back-up from journal after system-down. |
| 19:49.54 | marstewel | !ext2->ext3 |
| 19:49.58 | overlade | Craig`: i have create the folder /media/windows , and i have put this synthaxe in my fstab : mount /dev/hda1 /media/windows/ |
| 19:50.06 | overlade | Craig`: wait |
| 19:50.08 | ciscooo | hello guys, I just want to know how to configure my WiFi interface with WEP key on Linux debian please. |
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| 19:50.18 | ciscooo | is it possible? |
| 19:50.26 | Andy837 | will windows be able to access ext3 via sharing etc? |
| 19:50.45 | EmleyMoor | How do I list the files installed by a package? |
| 19:50.47 | mike_sol | Andy837, yeah, with samba no problem. or access it directly with ext2fsd |
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| 19:50.53 | marstewel | Andy837: yep, but it has to be shared with samba |
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| 19:50.57 | [sr] | hi guys |
| 19:51.01 | Craig` | So. |
| 19:51.04 | overlade | Craig`: /dev/hda1 /media/windows ntfs nls=utf8,umask=0222 0 0 |
| 19:51.09 | marstewel | EmleyMoor: dpkg -L<package> |
| 19:51.13 | Andy837 | can ntfs be shared with samba? |
| 19:51.13 | [sr] | who can give me an help aith a offtopic thing |
| 19:51.15 | Craig` | Anyone noticed that libpcre.so.3 can't be found in unstable? |
| 19:51.20 | [sr] | need some informationm about voip |
| 19:51.24 | Craig` | After today's dist-upgrade |
| 19:51.24 | [sr] | how it works etc etc |
| 19:51.30 | Craig` | overlade, yes, and what's the error ? |
| 19:51.32 | overlade | Craig`: but he says : device ... invalid block ... and etc ... |
| 19:51.40 | ciscooo | nobody is answering me :-( |
| 19:51.41 | marstewel | Andy837: ntfs write support is not yet stable |
| 19:51.41 | Craig` | overlade, is ntfs module available? |
| 19:51.47 | Andy837 | ok thanks BRB |
| 19:51.52 | Craig` | overlade, or compiled into kernel ? |
| 19:52.15 | overlade | Craig`: ... i don't know , how i know this (sorry im new) |
| 19:52.22 | marstewel | Craig`: I would not recommend NTFS rw |
| 19:52.30 | marstewel | not yet :D |
| 19:52.32 | Craig` | marstewel, I wouldn't too. |
| 19:52.38 | Craig` | overlade, lsmod | grep ntfs |
| 19:52.38 | overlade | i want only to read |
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| 19:52.55 | marstewel | I am not speaking about you, overlade |
| 19:53.01 | Craig` | And paste the results. |
| 19:53.03 | overlade | Craig`: ntfs 45088 0 (autoclean) |
| 19:53.06 | Craig` | So. |
| 19:53.07 | overlade | marcelogpl: sorry |
| 19:53.09 | Craig` | Ok. |
| 19:53.20 | Craig` | I guess the module is there. |
| 19:53.26 | Craig` | Paste the exact error message. |
| 19:53.30 | overlade | ok |
| 19:53.41 | mike_sol | i weigh the equivelent of 400 slices of pizza (three toppings) |
| 19:53.45 | overlade | Craig`: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1, |
| 19:53.45 | overlade | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.51 | overlade | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.51 | overlade | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:54.02 | Craig` | marstewel, I've got bigger problem - after todays dist-upgrade my unstable is unable to find libpcre.so.3 |
| 19:54.05 | mike_sol | ciscoco: man iwconfig |
| 19:54.08 | Craig` | marstewel, and it's there for sure. |
| 19:54.10 | mike_sol | i cant remmeber how |
| 19:54.13 | Craig` | overlade, so try dmesg|tail |
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| 19:54.24 | marstewel | Craig`: ldconfig ? |
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| 19:54.30 | Craig` | marstewel, it's there. |
| 19:54.36 | ReignWolve | anyone know of a player for debian that will handle real media files or winamp files |
| 19:54.46 | Craig` | marstewel, |
| 19:54.47 | Craig` | root@mariusz:~# ldconfig -p|grep libpcre.so.3 |
| 19:54.47 | Craig` | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:54.47 | abrotman | winamp ? |
| 19:54.53 | overlade | Craig`: aaa ! NTFS: unkown option 'nls' |
| 19:54.58 | abrotman | you mean .. winamp as in .. mp3s ? |
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| 19:55.04 | Craig` | overlade, so now you know ;-) |
| 19:55.11 | Craig` | Don't use nls= |
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| 19:55.28 | ReignWolve | well there is a radio station for RIT that I would like to listen to and they have winamp or real player |
| 19:55.32 | thingfish | I was thinking that. overlade, do /dev/hda1 /media/windows ntfs ro,user,umask=022 0 0 |
| 19:55.36 | overlade | Craig`: thank you very much ;) |
| 19:55.41 | marstewel | hmm |
| 19:55.52 | abrotman | ReignWolve: xmms plays some of those .. other than that .. /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 19:55.54 | marstewel | Craig`: what packages were upgraded ? |
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| 19:56.27 | Craig` | Overfiend, I guess that should be codepage=utf-8 |
| 19:56.28 | ReignWolve | k |
| 19:56.31 | Craig` | Blah. |
| 19:56.33 | Craig` | He's gone. |
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| 19:56.34 | Craig` | ;-) |
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| 19:56.42 | Zap-W | what happens if one installs sid libc6 in sarge? |
| 19:56.54 | Craig` | marstewel, that's the problem, I forgot to do &> some_log_file ;-)) |
| 19:56.55 | thingfish | installing sid stuff in sarge is asking for trouble. |
| 19:56.57 | Tortel | probably not good things |
| 19:57.05 | marstewel | Zap-W: nothing good.... |
| 19:57.07 | thingfish | believe me, I know. |
| 19:57.15 | Craig` | thingfish, installing sid stuff in sid also is. |
| 19:57.15 | marstewel | thingfish: depends what you install :D |
| 19:57.17 | Tortel | stay with your version at all costs |
| 19:57.23 | thingfish | hehe Craig` |
| 19:57.28 | Craig` | Today my libpcre.so.3 dies. |
| 19:57.31 | thingfish | well true, marstewel. |
| 19:57.32 | ciscooo | mike_sol ok thanks will try it |
| 19:57.33 | Craig` | s/dies/died/; |
| 19:57.44 | dos000 | anyone know why netcat would show inbound packet for a traffic that is supposed to be dropped since an iptable rule for accepting does not exist |
| 19:57.45 | Craig` | And I don't know why, since it's in ldconfig and all that stuff |
| 19:57.49 | Craig` | And init can't find it. |
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| 19:58.01 | marstewel | dos000: what is the default chain policy ? |
| 19:58.08 | pitchin_uk | hi - i have just installed debian from network install - cant seem to get into any wm |
| 19:58.14 | abrotman | install one |
| 19:58.33 | Craig` | pitchin_uk, apt-get install kde/gnome/fluxbox/xfce4/whatever_wm_you_like. |
| 19:58.35 | marstewel | greycat is on holidays or gone for good ? |
| 19:58.39 | dos000 | marstewel, drop |
| 19:58.45 | thingfish | what happened to greycat? Used to be a regular, still is listed as an op I think. |
| 19:58.48 | pitchin_uk | Craig: thanks very much |
| 19:59.05 | thingfish | maybe got a real job. |
| 19:59.06 | pitchin_uk | Craig: i take it i have to be SU |
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| 19:59.11 | Craig` | Yes. |
| 19:59.20 | Craig` | What the damn's up with that libpcre. |
| 19:59.22 | Craig` | ;F |
| 19:59.26 | fbi | maybe he's around, but not in this channel. |
| 19:59.35 | thingfish | certainly possible. |
| 19:59.42 | abrotman | fbi: where then?!!? |
| 19:59.52 | fbi | abrotman: ##freebsd ?? |
| 19:59.54 | fbi | o.O |
| 19:59.55 | abrotman | heh |
| 20:00.02 | fbi | you know where! |
| 20:00.04 | Craig` | thingfish, I just dist-upgraded the unstable, and my libpcre.so.3 can't be found. |
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| 20:00.13 | Zap-W | why isnt pure-ftpd_1.0.19-5_i386.deb in pool |
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| 20:00.15 | abrotman | !tell Craig` about search |
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| 20:00.21 | thingfish | Craig`: darn, don't you hate it when that happens? |
| 20:00.26 | abrotman | Zap-W: because .. it shouldn't be ? |
| 20:00.36 | Craig` | thingfish, I sure do ;-) |
| 20:00.39 | thingfish | hehe |
| 20:01.03 | thingfish | Craig`: get used to odd things happening, if you're going to use sid. |
| 20:01.11 | Zap-W | i need large file support in pure-ftpd pure-ftpd (1.0.19-5) unstable; urgency=low, * Support for large files enabled (Closes: #227466 need this for sarge |
| 20:01.15 | thingfish | hehe libpancreas |
| 20:01.20 | Baeaeken | What kernel to use wanting to run my amd64 in 32-bit mode? |
| 20:01.21 | abrotman | Zap-W: it's not in unstable |
| 20:01.23 | Craig` | thingfish, I got used, I use unstable for 6 yrs now. |
| 20:01.27 | abrotman | Zap-W: it's not in sarge |
| 20:01.30 | thingfish | oh ok |
| 20:01.31 | sparr | I need an X terminal program that can use console fonts (.font files), OR a program to convert a console font to an X font. Any ideas? |
| 20:01.47 | Zap-W | abrotman: yes i know |
| 20:01.50 | Craig` | sparr, apt-get install xfonts-konsole. |
| 20:01.52 | Tortel | !font |
| 20:01.52 | dpkg | 'fixed' is the one true font! |
| 20:01.53 | abrotman | Zap-W: and nor should it be |
| 20:02.00 | Craig` | abrotman, I knew that, and this package was updated in the morning. |
| 20:02.07 | abrotman | no it wasn't! |
| 20:02.12 | abrotman | katie runs at the same time every day :) |
| 20:02.13 | dos000 | marstewel, altho i could see the packets showing up at the service port (via netcat) i was never getting anything back. wich had me puzled |
| 20:02.17 | Craig` | So I guess it's update-dependent bug |
| 20:02.21 | Zap-W | abrotman: why is thast |
| 20:02.22 | Craig` | And will be fixed in few days. |
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| 20:02.38 | abrotman | Zap-W: why do you think it should be ? |
| 20:02.45 | sparr | Craig`: that doesnt seem to be what i need |
| 20:02.53 | marstewel | dos000: are you logging packages prior dropping them ? |
| 20:02.56 | Zap-W | abrotman: cause of large file support |
| 20:03.00 | Craig` | sparr, why not? It's got nice font called Console |
| 20:03.08 | Craig` | That looks just like your favourite console fonts |
| 20:03.08 | sparr | Craig`: thats not what i need. |
| 20:03.08 | marstewel | Zap-W: why not go with vsftpd ? |
| 20:03.13 | abrotman | Zap-W: is it an RC or security bug ? |
| 20:03.18 | dos000 | marstewel, nop |
| 20:03.20 | sparr | Craig`: i need to use a specific .font |
| 20:03.22 | Craig` | sparr, oh, right, you need *.font files converter, sorry. |
| 20:03.22 | Craig` | ;-) |
| 20:03.23 | marstewel | abrotman: yep its RC :p |
| 20:03.34 | Zap-W | they forgot to turn on a switch |
| 20:03.47 | Zap-W | marstewel: why not pure-ftpd? |
| 20:03.56 | Baeaeken | What kernel am I to use wanting to run my amd64 in 32-bit mode? |
| 20:04.01 | abrotman | Zap-W: it's not RC or security .. it probably won't ever be in sarge |
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| 20:04.33 | Zap-W | abrotman: ye sux |
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| 20:04.41 | Craig` | sparr, isn't fntutl what you need? |
| 20:04.53 | marstewel | Zap-W: stay nice... |
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| 20:05.18 | abrotman | Zap-W: you should know how debian/stable works .. you've certainly been in here enough .. how about be smarter .. pick another ftpd .. or better yet .. use scp |
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| 20:05.47 | sparr | Craig`: probably not, but ill check it out |
| 20:05.51 | marstewel | Zap-W: are there ANY *real* reasons for sticking with pure-ftpd ? |
| 20:06.06 | abrotman | marstewel: i can think of a few .. but none are polite :) |
| 20:06.10 | pitchin_uk | Craig: i have got hold of xfce4 but startxfce4 didn't work |
| 20:06.11 | Craig` | sparr, you have to search for bdf-to-pcf converter I guess. |
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| 20:06.15 | marstewel | heh |
| 20:06.21 | Craig` | pitchin_uk, did xserver install properly / |
| 20:06.28 | abrotman | x-window-system-core |
| 20:06.36 | Zap-W | yes i am too lazy to migrating to a new ftp daemon ...already spent enouth time configuring pure-ftpd to my liking |
| 20:06.47 | abrotman | Zap-W: well .. then i guess you're stuck aren't you ? |
| 20:06.48 | marstewel | Zap-W: lazyness is not a reason |
| 20:06.51 | pitchin_uk | do i need to install that as well |
| 20:06.58 | ReignWolve | hmmm i believe it i have a problem with sound drivers |
| 20:07.06 | Craig` | pitchin_uk, yes, to have windom-mgr, you have to get x-windows first :-) |
| 20:07.09 | stew | when i login via xdm my .xsession is no longer run, it seems |
| 20:07.12 | Zap-W | i could download the source and rebuild the package with large-file support |
| 20:07.12 | Craig` | s/windom/window/; |
| 20:07.13 | abrotman | pitchin_uk: x-window-system-core |
| 20:07.19 | marstewel | Zap-W: you can *always* do a apt-get source pure-ftpd, adjust the file, and build the package |
| 20:07.37 | sophacles | what does one do about a process that is not responding to even killall -KILL? |
| 20:07.50 | abrotman | or you could backport etch's package .. or SWITCH to another ftpd .. |
| 20:07.57 | fbi | stew: i could be wrong but i think the display managers use ~/.xinitrc, ~/.xsession works with the startx command |
| 20:08.05 | abrotman | i thought everyone except my grandmother had stopped using pure-ftpd |
| 20:08.29 | stew | fbi: i have one symlinked to the other |
| 20:08.29 | marstewel | abrotman: if he just wants to use *this* option and not a new version... |
| 20:08.29 | Craig` | Ok, trying to reboot, brb. |
| 20:08.29 | stew | fbi: this just changed on 2 machines with upgrades last night |
| 20:08.30 | abrotman | marstewel: you're assuming that it can be done via sarge's sources |
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| 20:08.37 | stew | fbi: (and you have them backwards) |
| 20:08.40 | marstewel | abrotman: it cant ? |
| 20:08.40 | Zap-W | abrotman: what's wrong with pure-ftpd |
| 20:08.55 | fbi | stew: really? i use startx and everything in ~/.xsession works |
| 20:08.57 | abrotman | marstewel: i don't know .. but you assumed that grabbing the source and fixing it would work |
| 20:09.07 | abrotman | Zap-W: it doesn't have large file support .. duh |
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| 20:09.14 | abrotman | !win me |
| 20:09.15 | Zap-W | it does |
| 20:09.17 | marstewel | abrotman: he said they forgot adding a compiletime option, so ... |
| 20:09.17 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 20:09.17 | fbi | i use .xsession to start fluxbox along with a few processes i need running in the background |
| 20:09.21 | stew | fbi: maybe i have them backwards, but they are symlinked so it doesn't matter, it does get executed on startx |
| 20:09.21 | Frankablu | Use of uninitialized value in split at /usr/share/perl/5.6.1/Cwd.pm line 28. |
| 20:09.22 | Frankablu | dpkg: dpkg - error: PATH is not set. Any ideas? |
| 20:09.23 | dpkg | Frankablu: what are you talking about? |
| 20:09.25 | Zap-W | just not enabled in the packages |
| 20:09.29 | fbi | in fact, my .xinitrc is empty |
| 20:09.30 | Zap-W | dont know why |
| 20:09.30 | abrotman | Zap-W: then fix it |
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| 20:09.34 | marstewel | !win /dev/null |
| 20:09.35 | dpkg | Congratulations, /dev/null! You have won the US presidency! |
| 20:09.47 | abrotman | marstewel: who would forget that ? |
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| 20:09.49 | Frankablu | dpkg: Error when I try to install anything |
| 20:09.59 | nkuttler | Frankablu: try echo $PATH |
| 20:10.05 | abrotman | dpkg: love Frankablu |
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| 20:10.17 | fbi | dpkg: pervert |
| 20:10.17 | dpkg | Pervert? OOOOOOOH! You mean raxpmh! |
| 20:10.20 | Zap-W | just like apache2 in sarge dosent have large file support either. that's crazy, i read somewhere that it causes other problems so they decided to leave it like that til ver 2.1 of apache |
| 20:10.22 | fbi | hah |
| 20:10.33 | Frankablu | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
| 20:10.37 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 20:10.37 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 20:10.54 | abrotman | Zap-W: how large of a file are you talking about ? |
| 20:11.10 | Frankablu | Right..................... |
| 20:11.10 | abrotman | 2GB ? |
| 20:11.19 | Frankablu | Let's try this again: |
| 20:11.28 | bibe | just to know... what's the main difference between -stable kernels and -mm tree? How can I choose the best tree for my needs (a laptop for php and mysql development and some multimedia)? |
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| 20:11.35 | nkuttler | Frankablu: are you using stable? |
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| 20:11.38 | Frankablu | I get this error message when I use apt-get install foo "Use of uninitialized value in split at /usr/share/perl/5.6.1/Cwd.pm line 28." |
| 20:11.57 | abrotman | Zap-W: tbh .. i'd use another ftpd .. the maintainer of pureftpd doesn't seem very friendly |
| 20:12.01 | peterS | Zap-W: it's true. for apache2 to have large file support would have meant compiling apr (the "apache portable runtime" library) in a way that would make it incompatible with a few other apps that are already using it |
| 20:12.05 | marstewel | 5.6.1 ? are you on woody? |
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| 20:12.07 | stew | Frankablu: what version of debian are you running? |
| 20:12.08 | gigabytes | hi all |
| 20:12.13 | gigabytes | an information please |
| 20:12.17 | marstewel | abrotman: which one do you suggest ? |
| 20:12.20 | cusco | hi! how can I add an option to the sound juicer to rip the songs of teh cd to MP3 ?? |
| 20:12.23 | Frankablu | nksen: stew: I can honest say I have no idea |
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| 20:12.35 | gigabytes | when is openoffice.org 2.0 going to be packaged in etch?? |
| 20:12.37 | marstewel | stew: woody probably... |
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| 20:12.43 | abrotman | marstewel: scp :) |
| 20:12.46 | nkuttler | Frankablu: how did you install it? |
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| 20:12.48 | cusco | or then, what is the best way to rip my cd songs into mp3 instead of ogg? |
| 20:12.54 | marstewel | abrotman: what other ones besides scp do you suggest? |
| 20:12.56 | abrotman | marstewel: i've used proftpd and vsftpd .. they both seem fine |
| 20:12.57 | peterS | cusco: not with pure debian, since debian is not allowed to ship mp3 encoder software |
| 20:13.08 | abrotman | marstewel: though .. tbh . i don't use FTP much anymore |
| 20:13.12 | nkuttler | cusco: /msg dpkg lame |
| 20:13.13 | peterS | cusco: sound juicer may have such an option but it would require installing third-party software to do the encoding process, such as LAME |
| 20:13.25 | valdyn_ | gigabytes: when it compiles on all platforms and no serious bug is found + 10 days |
| 20:13.28 | abrotman | marstewel: why .. do you have a better option ? |
| 20:13.37 | marstewel | abrotman: I am using vsftpd since ~ 2 years |
| 20:13.43 | stew | Frankablu: paste your sources.list to #flood or a pastebin (don't paste here) |
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| 20:13.48 | peterS | cusco: note, for most purposes, ogg vorbis is as good or better than mp3. the only reason one needs mp3 at all is for legacy portable players |
| 20:13.53 | marstewel | lol |
| 20:13.58 | marstewel | no I am not :) |
| 20:14.03 | bibe | gigabytes : when it will satisfy testing policies. for now, you can simply use the .tar.gz from the official site, and alien package |
| 20:14.07 | abrotman | marstewel: so you'd say vsftpd or proftpd would both be fine alternatives |
| 20:14.08 | Frankablu | nkuttler: If I say stable will you help me with my problem? :/ |
| 20:14.15 | marstewel | abrotman: yep |
| 20:14.17 | nkuttler | Frankablu: wtf... |
| 20:14.19 | Frankablu | stew: ok |
| 20:14.21 | gigabytes | bibe, about the official package |
| 20:14.24 | peritus | silly question.. how do i type the "escape character" in vim? |
| 20:14.27 | RichiH | any ideas on where to find resources about transcoding themes and music into beep codes? |
| 20:14.31 | peterS | peritus: ctrl-v esc |
| 20:14.38 | peritus | thanks |
| 20:14.39 | peterS | peritus: (in insert mode of course) |
| 20:14.39 | abrotman | RichiH: you're such a dork :) |
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| 20:14.46 | peritus | peterS: yeah :) |
| 20:14.48 | licued | Does anyone think they could assist me woith Setting up Racoon on a Debian Sarge Box , connecting as a client to a SonicWall Firewall? |
| 20:14.49 | RichiH | abrotman: :) |
| 20:14.50 | Zap-W | hehe |
| 20:14.53 | gigabytes | bibe if I alien the rpm packages |
| 20:15.11 | gigabytes | when will openoffice be installed? under /opt ?? |
| 20:15.12 | ju4n7ux | anyone to compile gnome in debian woddy? |
| 20:15.17 | gigabytes | can I choose the location? |
| 20:15.25 | gigabytes | s/when/where |
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| 20:15.30 | peterS | gigabytes: I don't think alien supports relocatable rpms |
| 20:15.32 | Frankablu | I get this error message when I use apt-get install foo "Use of uninitialized value in split at /usr/share/perl/5.6.1/Cwd.pm line 28." using Debian stable |
| 20:15.41 | peterS | gigabytes: so it'll be wherever the rpm wants to install itself |
| 20:15.43 | marstewel | Frankablu: you mean oldstable ? |
| 20:15.47 | abrotman | Frankablu: did you check the bts ? |
| 20:15.51 | bibe | gigabytes : yes, install the .debs made with alien, then install the .deb under RPMS/desktop-integration/ |
| 20:15.52 | cusco | peterS: yes its for my ipod, what exacly do I put in sound juicer to use lame, once I have lame installed? |
| 20:15.57 | stew | Frankablu: what about apt-get update? |
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| 20:16.16 | nkuttler | Frankablu: read the sarge release notes and do a clean upgrade |
| 20:16.18 | bibe | gigabytes : I don't know where the program will be installed |
| 20:16.19 | Frankablu | stew: Works fine |
| 20:16.22 | peterS | cusco: I have no idea, I was just letting you know about how debian can't ship mp3 encoders |
| 20:16.30 | stew | Frankablu: "apt-get install aptitude " fails though? |
| 20:16.32 | pitchin_uk | i now get fatal server error: no screens found |
| 20:16.39 | gigabytes | bibe, is there a way to see it in the rpms or in the final debs?? |
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| 20:16.59 | marstewel | gigabytes: dpkg -x if you want to extract them... |
| 20:17.00 | abrotman | pitchin_uk: are you using startx or some *dm ? |
| 20:17.06 | bibe | gigabytes : yes, use man dpkg (I don't remember the option at the moment) |
| 20:17.09 | pitchin_uk | startx |
| 20:17.12 | stew | Frankablu: do you have aptitude installed?, you need to try to get aptitude to upgrade you from woody to sarge |
| 20:17.15 | gigabytes | ok thank you |
| 20:17.17 | gigabytes | bye |
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| 20:17.20 | abrotman | pitchin_uk: check the error log in your $HOME |
| 20:17.33 | Frankablu | stew: Installing now, but I doubt it will work? |
| 20:17.43 | Frankablu | stew: Is there some reason why I can't use woody? |
| 20:17.45 | valdyn_ | cusco: installing lame is not enough |
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| 20:17.56 | cusco | peterS: yes I know that! but in the soundjuicer, for ogg it has GStreamer Pipeline: audio/x-raw-int,rate=44100,channels=2 ! vorbisenc name=enc quality=0.5 |
| 20:18.04 | stew | Frankablu: possibly, if you change all your stable to woody in sources.list |
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| 20:18.14 | stew | Frankablu: but it depends on how much you have already installed from sarge |
| 20:18.18 | nkuttler | Frankablu: you sources.list is incorrect. stable=sarge, not woody. |
| 20:18.22 | sparr | is there any way to run svgalib programs while X is running? |
| 20:18.34 | peterS | cusco: I guess change the bit after !, which specifies a command to run |
| 20:18.34 | cusco | valdyn_: what else would I need then? |
| 20:18.34 | stew | Frankablu: what version does "dpkg -l libc6" report? |
| 20:18.34 | Andy837 | i've got hda1 and hdb |
| 20:18.36 | Andy837 | what is hdb (second hard drive)? |
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| 20:18.44 | marstewel | Andy837: yes |
| 20:18.47 | Frankablu | stew: nkuttler: How exactly do you know I'm running woody? |
| 20:18.47 | peterS | hmmm, no it isn't, my brain is apparently not at full capacity |
| 20:19.00 | stew | Frankablu: becuase you have perl 5.6 and not 5.8 |
| 20:19.02 | Van-brb | where do i go to change variable _GET and _POST of php.ini. thanks for helping |
| 20:19.03 | marstewel | Andy837: or cdrom... |
| 20:19.21 | Andy837 | ok well i got two HDD in the machine |
| 20:19.25 | Andy837 | how can i check what it is? |
| 20:19.27 | stew | Frankablu: which libc6 do you have? |
| 20:19.29 | marstewel | Andy837: how are they connected ? |
| 20:19.30 | peterS | Van-brb: php.ini is in /etc/php4/ somewhere, depending on which php frontend yo use |
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| 20:19.40 | valdyn_ | cusco: some gstreamer0.8-whatever package from marillat |
| 20:19.41 | Kovecses | ubuntu |
| 20:19.42 | Vanak | im using php5. |
| 20:19.45 | Andy837 | two HDD with one primary and one secondary |
| 20:19.46 | Frankablu | stew: 2.2.5-6 |
| 20:19.48 | Vanak | and i cant find it in the php.ini :S |
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| 20:20.16 | stew | !info libc6 woody |
| 20:20.18 | Frankablu | stew: But I didn't tell you what version of perl I had either? |
| 20:20.19 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.2.5-11.8 (woody), Packaged size: 3303 kB, Installed size: 12760 kB |
| 20:20.31 | Andy837 | i dont see a mention of the second HDD? |
| 20:20.32 | nkuttler | Frankablu: we can read your mind |
| 20:20.40 | peterS | yeah,ph34r |
| 20:20.42 | stew | < Frankablu> I get this error message...at /usr/share/perl/5.6.1/Cwd.pm |
| 20:20.44 | nkuttler | hehe |
| 20:20.57 | valdyn_ | cusco: gstreamer0.8-lame |
| 20:21.00 | marstewel | Andy837: fdisk -l /dev/hdb does say anything ? |
| 20:21.04 | stew | so you are running a pre woody libc6!?! |
| 20:21.13 | pitchin_uk | is this because ive installed the network version ( does the full iso install x from the begining |
| 20:21.15 | pitchin_uk | ) |
| 20:21.52 | Andy837 | SAYS THIS: /dev/hdb1 2 10011 80405325 f W95 Ext'd (LBA) |
| 20:21.59 | Frankablu | stew: How do I change my source.list to woody? |
| 20:22.11 | marstewel | Frankablu: why would you like to stick with woody ? |
| 20:22.19 | stew | Frankablu: edit /etc/apt/sources.list, change all mentions of stable to oldstable |
| 20:22.28 | marstewel | stew: you should not do that |
| 20:22.28 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 20:22.29 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. |
| 20:22.32 | Frankablu | marstewel: Because unless I turn back the sources to woody first I can't upgrade |
| 20:22.39 | marstewel | stew: you should use release codenames |
| 20:23.00 | Andy837 | how can i mount a partition? |
| 20:23.07 | marstewel | Andy837: man mount |
| 20:23.10 | sparr | When I run an svgalib program as root (the only way it will run), my mouse does not work. What can I try to resolve that? |
| 20:23.17 | stew | glibc (2.2.5-6): released Sun, 28 Apr 2002 11:21:48 -0400 |
| 20:23.22 | saloxin | Andy837: cat /proc/partitions to see available ones |
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| 20:23.51 | tarzeau | sparr: which program? |
| 20:23.57 | tarzeau | sparr: did you install gpm? |
| 20:23.59 | nite613 | marstewel: Is that a suggestion to used "sarge" instead of "stable" in your sources.list? |
| 20:24.01 | tarzeau | sparr: why not setuid it? |
| 20:24.12 | stew | marstewel: tell him, not me |
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| 20:24.30 | Frankablu | stew: Gives me a hundred error messages about no such file on the debian webserver |
| 20:24.45 | stew | Frankablu: change to oldstable to woody |
| 20:24.51 | marstewel | nite613: yep |
| 20:25.08 | Frankablu | This "computer" is only ment for running apache + ssh |
| 20:25.22 | marstewel | nite613: you dont agree? |
| 20:25.25 | sparr | tarzeau: program is called cse. yes, i use gpm on my consoles. setuid what? |
| 20:25.29 | stew | however woody should have worked |
| 20:25.36 | tarzeau | sparr: the cse binary? |
| 20:25.47 | marstewel | nite613: uups you typed something :D |
| 20:25.59 | pitchin_uk | abro |
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| 20:26.00 | tarzeau | sparr: like dpkg-statoverride --update --add root root 4755 /usr/bin/cse-or-whatever |
| 20:26.06 | Frankablu | stew: Right so how do I upgrade it to sarge? |
| 20:26.11 | nite613 | marstewel: Say what? |
| 20:26.16 | stew | Frankablu: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 20:26.18 | bibe | Frankablu : you have to 'apt-get update' after every change to sources.list |
| 20:26.19 | pitchin_uk | abrotman: i dont think it can find my agp card |
| 20:26.20 | nite613 | oh. Yeah. I do agree! |
| 20:26.28 | marstewel | nite613: n/m |
| 20:26.31 | nite613 | heh |
| 20:26.33 | sparr | tarzeau: ok, ill setuid it... but what about the mouse problem? |
| 20:27.01 | tarzeau | sparr: what is the package of cse called? |
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| 20:27.06 | Frankablu | bibe: I may of never used debian before but I get that :) |
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| 20:27.14 | tarzeau | sparr: i've only used mouse in links2 -g (svgalib) |
| 20:27.17 | abrotman | pitchin_uk: error ? |
| 20:27.18 | peterS | sparr: what kernel version (2.4 or 2.6)? what mouse type? |
| 20:27.18 | tarzeau | and it worked fine |
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| 20:27.30 | marstewel | AFK |
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| 20:27.34 | peterS | sparr: I ask because the answers will determine what you need to do to use gpm and a svgalib application together |
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| 20:27.48 | sparr | Pete-home: 2.6, mouse is usb logitech as /dev/input/mice |
| 20:27.51 | tarzeau | peterS: i have 5.4 |
| 20:28.05 | sparr | tarzeau: no package. how can i directly setuid the binary? |
| 20:28.16 | tarzeau | sparr: chmod +s /the/binary |
| 20:28.20 | peterS | sparr: chmod u+s |
| 20:28.39 | sparr | and chown root:root? |
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| 20:28.47 | tarzeau | sparr: yes |
| 20:28.51 | peterS | stuff installed by debian is usually already root:root |
| 20:28.56 | pitchin_uk | abrotman: in the log at the very end it says primary device is pci 01:00:0 and then says ati: pci/agp in slot 1:0:0 and 1:0:1 could not be detected |
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| 20:29.17 | pitchin_uk | abrotman: no devices detected |
| 20:30.00 | sparr | hey, ok |
| 20:30.04 | sparr | now that its setuid root |
| 20:30.09 | sparr | it complains about lack of a mouse :) |
| 20:30.41 | sparr | im looking at /etc/vga/libvga.config |
| 20:30.46 | sparr | it doesnt seem to have a mouse type appropriate |
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| 20:31.09 | mike_sol | we just had pizza day at work, and my coworker ate 12 pieces of pizza. and he's super skinny |
| 20:31.12 | mike_sol | i bet he dies at 50 |
| 20:31.23 | User21 | Help needed: Apache-SSL dows not execute php-pages (tries to save them), Anyone got a hint? |
| 20:32.12 | mike_sol | user21: addtype lines present in the httpd.conf? |
| 20:32.48 | User21 | mike: yes lines are ther ...and it works on the "not SSL apache" |
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| 20:32.57 | Frankablu | bibe: stew: marstewel: nkuttler: Back to my actucal problem "dpkg: dpkg - error: PATH is not set" ,yes $PATH is set correctly |
| 20:33.14 | peterS | sparr: yeah, set 'mdev /dev/input/mice' and 'mouse IMPS2' |
| 20:33.23 | peterS | sparr: rather than debian default 'mouse unconfigured' |
| 20:33.26 | sparr | ok |
| 20:33.37 | bibe | Frankablu : what does 'echo $PATH' return? |
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| 20:33.48 | sparr | ok, another problem |
| 20:33.52 | sparr | i ran the program from a real console |
| 20:33.53 | pitchin_uk | abrotman: basically im new to debian, decided to do a network install, have done an apt-get on xfce4 and x-window-system-core and when i do a startx i get the problem i mentioned before |
| 20:33.54 | stew | Frankablu: what version does "dpkg -l dpkg" report? |
| 20:33.59 | sparr | and now the text on that console is all garbage |
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| 20:34.06 | sparr | what can i do to try to reset it? |
| 20:34.11 | Frankablu | bibe: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
| 20:34.14 | sparr | not random, just garbage |
| 20:34.31 | Frankablu | stew: 1.9.21 |
| 20:34.32 | sparr | each character replaced by a random, but consistent, character |
| 20:34.35 | peterS | sparr: if you have svgatextmode installed, you can try running 'stm' |
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| 20:35.06 | bibe | Frankablu : it seems correct |
| 20:35.10 | peterS | sparr: this will sometimes, but not always, reset the console properly. VGA state includes a high degree of black magic |
| 20:35.43 | Frankablu | bibe: -_- "yes $PATH is set correctly" |
| 20:35.45 | sparr | stm is root only? |
| 20:35.47 | peterS | sparr: alternatively, if you have an X server running, switch to that and switch back. X will attempt to reset the console to the state it was in before X started |
| 20:36.00 | peterS | sparr: yes, /sbin/stm requires root |
| 20:36.09 | Andy837 | ok so hdb is a hard drive with a partition hdb1 *system: w95 Ext'd(LBA* |
| 20:36.10 | sparr | ok |
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| 20:36.14 | sparr | stm did not fix it |
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| 20:36.18 | abrotman | pitchin_uk: did you try to define a BusID ? |
| 20:36.20 | Andy837 | can i format this and set it to ext3? |
| 20:36.20 | sparr | and switching to X did not fix it |
| 20:36.25 | peterS | sparr: ...though I have done a 'chmod u+s /sbin/SVGATextMode' for myself |
| 20:36.32 | peterS | so that I can run it as me |
| 20:36.46 | bibe | Frankablu : and 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' returns errors? |
| 20:37.23 | sparr | haha |
| 20:37.32 | sparr | ok, the program will run from a console now with mouse support |
| 20:37.34 | sparr | still wont run from X |
| 20:37.39 | peritus | http://pelme.se/~andreas/private/crash <- my server crashed tonight. anyone who can explain what this means? is the disk dying? sarge, linux 2.6.11.7 (uptime was ~160 days) |
| 20:37.51 | peterS | sparr: what program is this, anyway? |
| 20:37.54 | pitchin_uk | abrotman : i dont think so the last thing i just went through was the install for x-windows (to which i took most of the defaults) |
| 20:37.56 | sparr | You must be the owner of the current console to use svgalib. |
| 20:37.56 | sparr | Not running in a graphics capable console, |
| 20:37.56 | sparr | and unable to find one. |
| 20:37.56 | sparr | svgalib: can't open /dev/tty0 |
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| 20:38.10 | sparr | oops |
| 20:38.12 | Frankablu | bibe: Give me a second I didn't know there was a upgrade command |
| 20:38.16 | resiak | peritus: Looks like your disk is screwed. |
| 20:38.23 | froze | sparr: does typing in reset and hitting enter fix your garble? |
| 20:38.33 | abrotman | pitchin_uk: look for EE lines in the log |
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| 20:38.39 | sparr | froze: no |
| 20:38.50 | sparr | did all 4 lines of my paste come through? |
| 20:38.51 | peterS | sparr: yeah, if an app requires svgalib, it won't want to run from an X environment. it doesn't know that it *can* switch to another console, since the console it is on is owned by X, not owned by the user |
| 20:38.53 | peritus | resiak: it is? the system booted and fsck fixed some things. now the system is running. but you think the disk is giving up? |
| 20:38.55 | peterS | yes |
| 20:39.00 | peterS | but don't do that again |
| 20:39.00 | bibe | peritus : it seems there were problems with your disk |
| 20:39.02 | sparr | ok, i can live with that |
| 20:39.15 | sparr | btw, i love debhelper's new not-kick method, when did that get implemented? |
| 20:39.39 | peritus | bibe, resiak: is it possible to say if this was caused by software or hardware errors? |
| 20:39.40 | pitchin_uk | abrotman : (EE) No Devices detected |
| 20:39.41 | mike_sol | what's that all about sparr |
| 20:39.43 | resiak | peritus: Those are disk errors. So, erm, yes, there is something wrong with the disk. Make sure your backups are really up to date. If the server is critical, you may want to replace your hard disk. |
| 20:39.47 | MasterOfDesaster | Hello ! Ahm, I need some help. I tried to install k3b package. Beside some other dependencies I had to install libstdc++6-4.0.2-3 which also depends on gcc-4.0-base-4.0.2-3. |
| 20:39.55 | MasterOfDesaster | The I tried to installed the gcc-4.0-base-4.0.2-3 package, but almost all my kde packages depending on the older gcc-base package. So I installed gcc-4.0-base-4.0.2-2 again. |
| 20:39.55 | abrotman | pitchin_uk: there should be an earlier one |
| 20:39.58 | peterS | sparr: did it used to kick people? |
| 20:39.59 | bibe | keep an eye on the logs for a few days/weeks, where is /dev/hda6 mounted? |
| 20:40.05 | MasterOfDesaster | But now if I try to install the old libstds++6-4.0.2-2 package, dselect tells me that a lot of packages depends on libstdc++6-4.0.2-3 which on his site depends on gcc-4.0-base-4.0.2-3. |
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| 20:40.08 | sparr | peterS: i dunno, never did a forced part before |
| 20:40.15 | sparr | peterS: the program im using is 'cse', its a font editor |
| 20:40.15 | MasterOfDesaster | But I can't chose gcc-4.0-base-4.0.2-3. The newest version dselect offer ist 4.0.2-2. Oh, ehm, I'm usind Debian Sarge. So what can I do ? |
| 20:40.21 | sparr | now i have to figure out how to slow down the mouse |
| 20:40.30 | sparr | its taking each mouse tick as about 30 pixels on the screen |
| 20:40.31 | Frankablu | bibe: Yeah same error "dpkg: dpkg - error: PATH is not set." |
| 20:40.36 | peterS | sparr: libvga.config has a mouse acceleration option of some sort |
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| 20:40.55 | resiak | MasterOfDesaster: Are you sure it's Sarge and only Sarge? |
| 20:41.01 | peterS | sparr: I thought debhelper always used /remove like it does now. (/remove is an irc server feature that works around clients who automatically rejoin a channel immediately after being kicked) |
| 20:41.18 | peritus | resiak: okay. thanks. not strange really. it is my home server. it is a laptop with damaged screen that is a server nowadays. it has been running >1.5 year 24/7. i guess it is time to retire it soon. |
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| 20:41.41 | MasterOfDesaster | @resiak: Yes ? Is it possible to use two distributions ? But I'm really sure. |
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| 20:41.55 | resiak | peritus: You can replace laptop hard disks. I have _heard_ that they fail more quickly than do regular disks. |
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| 20:42.11 | pitchin_uk | abrotman : that is the only ee |
| 20:42.17 | peterS | MasterOfDesaster: when he said "only sarge" he's referring to people who have upgraded certain packages to some other distribution, like ubuntu or debian testing or something |
| 20:42.26 | peritus | resiak: yeah, but i dont want to buy a new disk to that old piece of **** :) |
| 20:42.30 | bibe | Frankablu : try 'export PATH' and do 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' again |
| 20:42.34 | peterS | MasterOfDesaster: ...or installed them from third-party sources |
| 20:42.54 | resiak | MasterOfDesaster: You are _not_ using Sarge, because gcc-4 is not in Sarge. Paste your sources.list on a pastebin somewhere, or in #flood |
| 20:43.22 | cheal | MasterOfDesaster: it's possible to partially use several distributions/debian releases |
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| 20:44.14 | MasterOfDesaster | Whoops...ehm... The name of testing/unstable is sarge, isn't it ? |
| 20:44.23 | peritus | nope |
| 20:44.23 | a1Pha` | nop |
| 20:44.27 | a1Pha` | ^^ |
| 20:44.31 | MasterOfDesaster | I'm using testing/unstable |
| 20:44.34 | a1Pha` | sarge is stable |
| 20:44.38 | a1Pha` | testing is etch |
| 20:44.41 | MasterOfDesaster | Ui...sorry ;) |
| 20:44.42 | cheal | !tell MasterOfDesaster about releases |
| 20:44.43 | a1Pha` | or something like this |
| 20:44.47 | a1Pha` | :D |
| 20:44.56 | resiak | MasterOfDesaster: Are you using Testing, or Unstable? |
| 20:45.20 | sparr | peterS: yeah, i turned off acceleration, its a little slow now, ill have to turn it back on with lower settings |
| 20:45.21 | a1Pha` | hey, ive got a question |
| 20:45.37 | Frankablu | bibe: it worked, Thanks ^^ |
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| 20:45.44 | pitchin_uk | abrotman : would i be better off using the full isos until i have a bit more knowledge with debian |
| 20:45.45 | MasterOfDesaster | Ok... now I'm sure. It's unstable. |
| 20:45.47 | peterS | someone tell MasterOfDesaster about spelling 'Disaster' too |
| 20:45.55 | abrotman | pitchin_uk: not really .. |
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| 20:46.10 | resiak | MasterOfDesaster: Then I'm not going to touch it with a bargepole. /msg dpkg sid faq . Sorry. |
| 20:46.14 | abrotman | pitchin_uk: which driver did you pick for your card(and what card do oyu have) ? |
| 20:46.22 | c_k | hey all, is it possible to rate limit proftpd |
| 20:46.40 | abrotman | with iptables i'm sure it is |
| 20:46.58 | MasterOfDesaster | @peterS: Whoops, again ;)... I'll correct that... |
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| 20:47.58 | pitchin_uk | abrotman: i have a ati radeon 9250 - i thought i chose the ati driver but got a but confused by the x windows setup |
| 20:48.26 | bibe | Frankablu : I'd suggest you to put a line saying 'export PATH' at the end of your ~/.bash_profile, or wherever you set $PATH |
| 20:48.27 | a1Pha` | i want to install debian on my laptop. but because my cddrive isnt working, ill put the hdd into another laptop and install debian there. after that ill put it back into the cddrive-less one. after that i want to try to get my pcmcia-wlan-card working with ndiswrapper. i am loading the first i386-iso from stable. what can go wrong? thank you and sorry for my bad english, im from germany. |
| 20:48.28 | RichiH | i need a) a good tool to keep track of worktimes per day with info on what i worked at which stores its data into files. b) a todo tool that does the same for a todo list - as i said, both for cli |
| 20:48.49 | l3m | pitchin_uk: look here: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
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| 20:49.00 | l3m | pitchin_uk: for ati drivers |
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| 20:49.36 | pitchin_uk | thanks l3m |
| 20:50.00 | sparr | now that clear, reset, and stm have failed, is a reboot my only remaining option to fix my garbled consoles? |
| 20:50.30 | EdibleText | sparr, tput reset |
| 20:50.47 | peterS | EdibleText: you don't understand, it's not *that* kind of garbled console |
| 20:50.53 | a1Pha` | cant someone help plz? :( |
| 20:50.57 | sparr | EdibleText: no go |
| 20:51.03 | EdibleText | peterS, oh |
| 20:51.07 | peterS | sparr: you might try 'stm 80x50x9' or something, switch to another text mode |
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| 20:51.52 | sparr | peterS: changes modes, still garbage. |
| 20:52.02 | MasterOfDesaster | Hmm... maybe I've found something, that might work... Ok. Thanks for helping. Bye! |
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| 20:52.23 | peterS | sparr: or 'stm 80x60x9' which is a bit more drastic |
| 20:52.29 | bibe | a1Pha` : is the other laptop's hardware so similar to the cd-less one? |
| 20:52.30 | a1Pha` | :(( |
| 20:52.33 | a1Pha` | ah |
| 20:52.33 | peterS | sparr: (80x50 and 80x25 have the same resolution but different font sizes) |
| 20:52.38 | a1Pha` | no it isnt |
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| 20:52.43 | pitchin_uk | how do i find out which kernel i am running |
| 20:52.45 | Aguacero | holas! |
| 20:52.48 | peterS | pitchin_uk: cat /proc/version |
| 20:52.52 | a1Pha` | uname -r |
| 20:52.54 | dafresh | 'llo, can i tell dpkg to execute bash script only for update / upgrade commande and not for all ? |
| 20:53.03 | a1Pha` | @ pitchkin |
| 20:53.11 | pitchin_uk | cheers peterS |
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| 20:53.31 | a1Pha` | bibe no it isnt :( but if i install only a few things? |
| 20:53.34 | Vanak | someone how can i enable PHP with microsoft SQL ? |
| 20:53.35 | sparr | peterS: still garbage. good one to know about for the future though :) |
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| 20:53.50 | abrotman | Vanak: use the sybase libraries |
| 20:53.56 | Vanak | sybase ? ok thanks |
| 20:54.12 | a1Pha` | vanak but ask in #php they can help you :) |
| 20:54.15 | Vanak | how can i getit :S lol |
| 20:54.17 | abrotman | Vanak: the php manual should have more details .. it's like php4-sybase in debian |
| 20:54.38 | Vanak | ;o ok |
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| 20:54.45 | peterS | sparr: could be related to character mapping - try /etc/init.d/console-screen.sh start |
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| 20:55.04 | bibe | a1Pha` : I'd try to plug a working cdrom into your cd-less laptop, instead |
| 20:55.15 | davorb | hey, guys |
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| 20:55.23 | Unuma678 | Help! my sound doesn't work , it says that /dev/dsp can not be opened!.. when i do lsof on the file, nothing using it! what can i do? |
| 20:55.46 | stew | Unuma678: are you using alsa or oss? |
| 20:55.52 | a1Pha` | bibe it doesnt work |
| 20:55.54 | peterS | Unuma678: probably don't have the right driver loaded. what kernel version are you on? |
| 20:55.58 | a1Pha` | bibe i tryed |
| 20:56.01 | dafresh | anyone ever try to execute some script, like open firewall, before apt-get update and apt-get upgrade ? |
| 20:56.02 | Rawplayer | re |
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| 20:56.11 | davorb | how do i mount my usb-disc? i tried "mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb", but that didnt work. it just said "/dev/sda1 is not a valid block device" |
| 20:56.21 | bibe | Unuma678 : what does 'ls -l /dev/dsp' say? |
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| 20:56.56 | cahoot | davorb: sd_mod is loaded? |
| 20:56.57 | davorb | "crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2005-02-26 07:39 /dev/dsp |
| 20:56.57 | davorb | " |
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| 20:57.08 | abrotman | are you in the audio group ? |
| 20:57.21 | davorb | cahoot: hmm, dunno. how do i check that? |
| 20:57.32 | peterS | davorb: lsmod | grep sd |
| 20:57.47 | bibe | a1Pha` : well, I never tried such a thing... I can't help you, sorry |
| 20:57.55 | kjs3 | So I have machines, gig attached, 1 XP, 1 2xP3 fresh debian install, 1 Opteron fresh debian install. XP talks to P3 fine. P3 or XP talk to opteron, SSH is choppy and eventually hangs, and scp goes "stalled" almost immediately. All on same switch. Tried TG3 & 2 different e1000 cards in opteron. Changed switch ports & cables. Changed MTU. Same thing. Any ideas? |
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| 20:58.07 | davorb | yeah, it seems to be loaded. "sd_mod 10764 0 (autoclean) (unused) |
| 20:58.07 | davorb | scsi_mod 86052 2 [sd_mod ide-scsi] |
| 20:58.07 | davorb | " |
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| 20:58.33 | underline | wazzup guys... ive got an ip cam wich i use for securty purposes... I want to grab the streaming from the cam website and save it into my HD... it doesn't matter the format.. but i prefer mpeg or ogg... anybody know any software for that purposes??? |
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| 20:58.56 | Hit3k | How do I start Gnome after ity was installed? startx doesnt work |
| 20:58.59 | EdibleText | davorb, does 'dmesg' list a device (run after plugging usb drive) |
| 20:59.11 | peterS | Unuma678: so to determine what sound chip you have: lspci -n | awk '/0401/{print $3}' |
| 20:59.20 | peterS | Hit3k: the usual way is to install gdm and tell it to start at boot time |
| 20:59.33 | cahoot | davorb: might as well check that usb-storage is loaded too |
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| 20:59.48 | davorb | naa, i dont think that's showing it. |
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| 20:59.55 | Hit3k | peterS is that just an apt-get thing? |
| 21:00.02 | peterS | Hit3k: yes |
| 21:00.04 | underline | Hit3k, gnome-session |
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| 21:00.11 | Unuma678 | stew: I\'m using OSS.. peterS: 2.4 |
| 21:00.14 | davorb | altough i can see the device if i type lsusb. "Bus 003 Device 002: ID 4102:1110 iRiver, Ltd. |
| 21:00.15 | davorb | " |
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| 21:00.17 | Hit3k | Cool, thanks |
| 21:00.18 | cheal | underline: a software for the recording part? |
| 21:00.21 | dafresh | anyine heard me ? ... |
| 21:00.24 | dafresh | anyone |
| 21:00.29 | underline | cheal, yep... ;) |
| 21:00.33 | Unuma678 | bibe: It's a link to /dev/dsp0 |
| 21:00.38 | peterS | Unuma678: so, tell us what this says: lspci -n | awk '/0401/{print $3}' |
| 21:00.46 | peterS | Unuma678: it'll probably print some xxxx:yyyy numbers |
| 21:00.55 | dafresh | does i need to /msg nickserver identify ? |
| 21:01.05 | cheal | dafresh: anyone left this morning |
| 21:01.07 | peterS | dafresh: nickserv, not nickserver |
| 21:01.07 | cheal | dafresh: no |
| 21:01.21 | dafresh | yep |
| 21:01.22 | Hal9002 | hello! i want to install php5 and if possible mysql 5 on my debian sarge system. are there any compatible packages out there? |
| 21:01.23 | Unuma678 | 8086:24d5 |
| 21:01.24 | tarzeau | haha i've found a baby tangerine |
| 21:01.37 | EdibleText | tarzeau, orphan? |
| 21:01.41 | peterS | Unuma678: so you need to load the module i810_audio |
| 21:01.41 | tarzeau | it's only 1 cm long and half cm heighted |
| 21:01.47 | tarzeau | EdibleText: in my stomach already |
| 21:01.53 | peterS | Unuma678: with 'modprobe i810_audio' |
| 21:01.54 | davorb | cahoot: any ideas? |
| 21:01.54 | cheal | dafresh: talk to someone who's here instead and ask a question that will help you with your problem |
| 21:02.01 | EdibleText | tarzeau, perhaps it was really a kumquat ;) |
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| 21:02.16 | cahoot | davorb: is usb-storage loaded? |
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| 21:02.31 | davorb | cahoot: how do i check that? |
| 21:02.35 | underline | cheal, or at least some v4l compatible cameras... I could use one streaming server to "internet it" =p |
| 21:02.54 | tarzeau | EdibleText: you just reminded me i've got a saved nethack game |
| 21:02.54 | Unuma678 | peterS: yes, now it works.. will it work everytime now? |
| 21:03.00 | cahoot | davorb: lsmod|grep storage |
| 21:03.01 | tarzeau | EdibleText: of yesterday, and i'm pretty good in it |
| 21:03.14 | davorb | cahoot: nope, it doesn't show up |
| 21:03.21 | peterS | Unuma678: now you need to add a line to /etc/modules saying "i810_audio" (no quotes). then it will be loaded automatically at boot time |
| 21:03.31 | cahoot | davorb: modprobe usb-storage and see what gives |
| 21:03.33 | dafresh | cheal: hum |
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| 21:04.15 | resiak | peterS: Why are you setting up oss? |
| 21:04.26 | resiak | Hal9002: /msg dpkg php5 |
| 21:04.35 | davorb | cahoot: it worked! a big thanks to you, my friend! :D |
| 21:04.36 | peterS | resiak: I'm not, Unuma678 is, because he's got kernel 2.4 and it's too much of a bother to install the alsa driver |
| 21:04.45 | resiak | Ah, yes. |
| 21:04.57 | cheal | underline: I don't know what you mean by v4l compatible camera. what streaming does the camera do exactly? |
| 21:05.05 | cahoot | davorb: add usb-storage to /etc/module for future needs |
| 21:05.09 | cahoot | davorb: add usb-storage to /etc/modules for future needs |
| 21:05.20 | davorb | cahoot: willco. thanks, mate. :-) |
| 21:06.14 | Hal9002 | resiak: thanks, but it doesnt tell me anything about sarge :( |
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| 21:07.11 | underline | cheal, v4l == video 4 linux... I've gotta make some security application with IP cameras (or Video 4 linux compatible devices) accessible from the web... I can use camserv for the video streaming... but i don't know how to save the output into the hd... |
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| 21:08.31 | stew | underline: try: cat /dev/video0 > /some.mpg |
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| 21:09.16 | Unuma678 | well.. thank you very much !!! :) |
| 21:09.23 | underline | stew, ill try it... |
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| 21:09.41 | resiak | Hal9002: It used to, but someone has fucked it up. Try backports.org or apt-get.org? |
| 21:09.46 | underline | stew, do you know any camera wich works nice with video 4 linux?? |
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| 21:10.02 | grumbel | what file can I use to run custom stuff when starting up gnome (via gdm), used to be ~/.gnomerc but that one no longer works |
| 21:10.14 | stew | underline: no idea |
| 21:10.29 | underline | stew, ok... ill google for it!! tkx ;) |
| 21:10.49 | pzn | Hi. Is there any way to create a "ramdisk" or something similar... I need to save a smb file sharing connection with a slow 128kbps link and want to "buffer" files... suggestions? |
| 21:11.04 | pitchin_uk | l3m: whilst working through that it said make-kpkg : command not found |
| 21:11.04 | Hal9002 | resiak: apt-get.org suggests dotdeb.org and people.debian.org/~dexter, but i dont know which is better |
| 21:11.13 | resiak | Hal9002: Nor do I |
| 21:11.18 | Hal9002 | :P |
| 21:12.13 | tarzeau | EdibleText: telnet linuks.mine.nu 27015 |
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| 21:12.29 | l3m | apt-ge |
| 21:12.47 | l3m | pitchin_uk: apt-get install kernel-package |
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| 21:13.21 | ik-ppc | hi |
| 21:13.23 | ik-ppc | any one knows how can i drop an ip from my server? |
| 21:13.36 | abrotman | clarify |
| 21:13.56 | pitchin_uk | cheers |
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| 21:14.03 | jarhead4 | hello |
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| 21:15.11 | vca | ik-ppc: i think he wants to know if you mean drop as in "block said IP from connecting to my server" or "deconfigure an interface on my server" |
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| 21:15.24 | Tortel | !date |
| 21:15.24 | dpkg | The current date is Thu Nov 10 21:15:24 2005 (UTC of course, this is *NIX) |
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| 21:15.46 | ik-ppc | vca to block an ip |
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| 21:16.02 | OENEUS | hi, when I try to "atp-get install" I'm reciving this... |
| 21:16.04 | OENEUS | Data::Dumper object version 2.121 does not match $Data::Dumper::VERSION 2.121_04 |
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| 21:16.15 | vca | ik-ppc: see the iptables manpage |
| 21:16.30 | vca | iptables manages the kernel's firewall |
| 21:16.36 | OENEUS | whow do i update the old version? |
| 21:16.41 | pitchin_uk | l3m: its now working!! |
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| 21:17.35 | OENEUS | how do i update DynaLoader.pm file? |
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| 21:18.14 | Frankablu | ik-ppc: iptables -A INPUT --src-address XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX -j DROP I think.... |
| 21:18.37 | ik-ppc | Frankablu what u mean u think? |
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| 21:19.08 | abrotman | !u |
| 21:19.08 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 21:19.27 | l3m | pitchin_uk: ;) |
| 21:19.36 | Tortel | !du |
| 21:19.36 | dpkg | i guess du is used to estimate file space usage |
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| 21:19.42 | Tortel | :O |
| 21:19.44 | widrone | OENEUS: apt-get ? Maybe try the update befor install, did you do something to the perl install? |
| 21:19.49 | Tortel | du=you in german |
| 21:19.52 | meff | anyone ever burn dvd+rw's in linux? i understand that you're only supposed to format it once in the beginning... but then how do i blank it each time after i burn something? |
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| 21:20.12 | elkid | anyone using gnome >2.10? |
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| 21:20.41 | widrone | !anyone |
| 21:20.41 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 21:21.01 | TheWahbinator | how do I get the debian menu as a launcher on the gnome-panel? |
| 21:21.02 | antonio_pp | DO YOU WANT A GIFT FOR THESE CHRISTMASTIDE? REGISTRATE And BUY FOR 35 SOME AMPLIFIERS OF ANTENNA FOR YOUR MOTIVE, HE ELECTS A GIFT, ALONE Y TO DO SO, IN A FEW DAYS YOU HAVE YOUR GIFT, IT IS TRUE, HURRY UP THAN READY APPROXIMATELY EMPTY ESTAN is WEB NEW http://ganaregalosgratis.com/index.php?Ref 7501 INDEED, I RIGHT NOW HAVE MOTIVE And AM AWAITING NOT OUR OWN. AS SOON AS POSSIBLE DO IT BEFORE YOU HAVE THE GIFT. IF DESCONFIAIS the Y EN |
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| 21:21.10 | Overfiend | the fuck? |
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| 21:21.21 | mike_sol | what a wankjob |
| 21:21.21 | Overfiend | chanops? |
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| 21:21.44 | cheal | wow, Overfiend brought back to life by spam? |
| 21:21.44 | pitchin_uk | how can i get the fglrx-installer onto my linux box - can i apt-get |
| 21:21.54 | resiak | Overfiend: Didn't you hear? We have very few active chanops. |
| 21:21.58 | Overfiend | cheal: brought back to life by Craig`, actually |
| 21:21.58 | abrotman | Overfiend: you have to call them |
| 21:22.16 | zerve_the_death | lol |
| 21:22.42 | resiak | Overfiend: Can you use your powers as G-d to get ElectricElf to make abrotman a chanop please? |
| 21:22.44 | Overfiend | I don't even understand what the fuck that spam was trying to sell |
| 21:22.48 | widrone | !lol |
| 21:22.48 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 21:22.52 | Tortel | !ops Ban (i=ircap751@158.red-213-37-172.user.auna.net) for spamming please.... |
| 21:22.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: Ban (i=ircap751@158.red-213-37-172.user.auna.net) for spamming please.... |
| 21:22.54 | Overfiend | ElectricElf? |
| 21:22.59 | Overfiend | Oh, huh. |
| 21:23.04 | Overfiend | I thought EE was all about OFTC |
| 21:23.07 | abrotman | resiak: g-d ? godlike-developer ? |
| 21:23.17 | abrotman | Grand-Daddy ? |
| 21:23.17 | Overfiend | abrotman: Jewish spelling of "God" |
| 21:23.29 | abrotman | Overfiend: i never spelled it like that |
| 21:23.29 | Overfiend | er, sorry |
| 21:23.33 | Overfiend | abrotman: Jewish spelling of "Yahweh" |
| 21:23.47 | Tortel | your suppost to use g-d so nothing actually says god |
| 21:23.53 | Overfiend | stripe, even. |
| 21:23.57 | Overfiend | But censoring tripe is bad, too. |
| 21:24.00 | Overfiend | As is censoring haggis. |
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| 21:24.03 | bucky | Overfiend, there isn't one.. they're forbiden to say it or write it |
| 21:24.05 | Overfiend | And chitterlings! |
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| 21:24.16 | resiak | Overfiend: Can we censor deep-fried Mars bars, though? |
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| 21:24.24 | Overfiend | resiak: yeah, actually, that's permissible |
| 21:24.32 | ReignWolve | k |
| 21:24.48 | Overfiend | But animal entrails are *always* kosher |
| 21:24.50 | Overfiend | So to speak. |
| 21:24.54 | Tortel | omg, deep fried candy bars??! |
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| 21:25.09 | Overfiend | Tortel: yeah, you can get them at state fairs in the U.S. |
| 21:25.11 | Overfiend | it's horrible |
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| 21:25.16 | pitchin_uk | l3m: where can i get the fglrx package from |
| 21:25.20 | Tortel | minnisota stat fair |
| 21:25.23 | Tortel | *state |
| 21:25.30 | Tortel | deep fried twinkeys |
| 21:25.31 | Overfiend | And "Minnesota", even. |
| 21:25.58 | bucky | ?pork rinds |
| 21:25.58 | Tortel | deep fried oreos are suppost to be good |
| 21:26.05 | abrotman | supposed ? |
| 21:26.08 | Tortel | but URG |
| 21:26.17 | Overfiend | Wow, the quality of English on this channel is astounding. |
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| 21:26.23 | Overfiend | Tortel: it's "arteries" |
| 21:26.28 | Tortel | Well, im 14 |
| 21:26.31 | Overfiend | I'm going to spell and grammar flame you all into submission. |
| 21:26.37 | Tortel | I cant spell for shit |
| 21:26.42 | abrotman | or use apostrophes |
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| 21:26.49 | Overfiend | Tortel: What's your native language? |
| 21:26.50 | resiak | DEGRADING STANDARDS OF EDUCASHUN! |
| 21:26.50 | Tortel | yea, that to' |
| 21:26.57 | cheal | did Craig` finally find the reason of his problem? |
| 21:26.58 | Tortel | English |
| 21:27.02 | Overfiend | Tortel: gawd. |
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| 21:27.18 | l3m | pitchin_uk: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer_8.18.6-1.tar.gz |
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| 21:27.28 | kjs3 | Illiterate at 14...damn that educational system. |
| 21:27.32 | Overfiend | cheal: He was trying to help someone else whose nick started with "over", but they "/part"ed before he could reply |
| 21:27.34 | l3m | pitchin_uk: see 3. Source on the site |
| 21:27.35 | Tortel | well, im online |
| 21:27.40 | zinx | Overfiend: I think they aren't teaching kids how to speak/spell in school these days. |
| 21:27.52 | pitchin_uk | l3m: i can only get a shell on my linux box |
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| 21:28.01 | zinx | Overfiend: I've seen *way* too many mix up things like then/than and they're/their |
| 21:28.02 | Overfiend | zinx: No, that's been scrapped in favor of "Intelligent English" |
| 21:28.04 | cheal | Overfiend: ah, ok. |
| 21:28.13 | Overfiend | zinx: If God can understand you, that's good enough. |
| 21:28.13 | l3m | pitchin_uk: so? should not be a problem |
| 21:28.14 | abrotman | zinx: where in the world would you get that idea ? |
| 21:28.18 | widrone | pitchin_uk: wget the file. |
| 21:28.21 | Tortel | I blame intelligent design! |
| 21:28.22 | zinx | Overfiend: guess so :/ |
| 21:28.24 | pzn | is there any way to "buffer" files at a network mount (nfs/smb). connection between hosts is slow and most of the files are read many times... any suggestion? |
| 21:28.34 | Overfiend | And since God is omniscient (though they don't teach kids that word), they can abandon all rules. |
| 21:28.35 | zinx | abrotman: Not from the intarweb, that's for sure! |
| 21:28.35 | blondie | how can I get a list of open ports (without nmaping)? |
| 21:28.37 | abrotman | pzn: you mean cache ? |
| 21:28.47 | abrotman | blondie: on a remote host ? |
| 21:28.50 | l3m | pitchin_uk: the link is also on xoomer's page |
| 21:28.56 | blondie | abrotman: local |
| 21:29.00 | snull | blondie: netstat -ltun |
| 21:29.05 | pzn | abrotman, may be. some smart caching method, that is it. |
| 21:29.12 | rudenstam | anyone around who could help me a bit with mdadm ? I got some drives marked faulty and want to readd them to the array.. tried mdadm --manage /dev/md0 --remove /dev/hdk but it gives me an error about not being able to read the raid info about /dev/md0 ... anyone know what I should do ? |
| 21:29.13 | abrotman | blondie: netstat .. lsof ? |
| 21:29.16 | pitillo | blondie, try lsof | grep LISTEN |
| 21:29.18 | Overfiend | Hey, the Christian Right tells me it's more important to have a relationship with Jesus than with my fellow human beings, so I can just go dump some toxic sludge in the yard of the family next door. |
| 21:29.19 | zinx | Overfiend: All they kids have to know is if they don't do what the adults say, God will smite them. |
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| 21:29.25 | pitchin_uk | l3m: im completely new to debian and am unsure of the syntax |
| 21:29.29 | zinx | s/they/the/ |
| 21:29.30 | Tortel | !smite God |
| 21:29.36 | Tortel | bwuhahahaha |
| 21:29.37 | Overfiend | heh |
| 21:29.52 | l3m | pitchin_uk: oh there's an even easier way |
| 21:30.01 | blondie | hmm |
| 21:30.08 | pzn | abrotman, do you know how to do it? |
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| 21:30.18 | l3m | pitchin_uk: type "wget http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian-fglrx-xorg/fglrx-driver_8.18.6-1_i386.deb" |
| 21:30.36 | l3m | pitchin_uk: if it complains that you don't have wget installed, "apt-get install wget" |
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| 21:30.55 | abrotman | pzn: not a clue :) |
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| 21:31.50 | RichiH | klined the spammer, for reference |
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| 21:32.00 | prueba | epale |
| 21:32.02 | abrotman | RichiH: you get so many beers! |
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| 21:32.13 | prueba | hello everyone |
| 21:32.23 | widrone | pzn: How about storing files localy instead, no go? |
| 21:32.36 | pitchin_uk | l3m: thanks very much - worked first time - without een a typo!! |
| 21:32.39 | pitchin_uk | hahahaha |
| 21:32.41 | pitchin_uk | even |
| 21:32.46 | RichiH | abrotman: hehe |
| 21:32.50 | l3m | pitchin_uk: yay ;) |
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| 21:33.47 | widrone | pzn: I dont know what you are trying to achieve in reality though, so ymmw. |
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| 21:34.12 | BrianR___ | Has anyone stumbled on a bug in the sarge installer where it refuses to create partitions bigger than 600GB? |
| 21:34.25 | abrotman | BrianR___: which FS ? |
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| 21:35.10 | BrianR___ | abrotman: trying to create a physical area for LVM, but I'm not sure that matters. No matter what type I set the partition to, when creating the partition it claims to be 2.8TB, but when I run fdisk or whatever afterwards, it only actually created a 600GB partition. |
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| 21:35.28 | abrotman | BrianR___: ask #debian-boot .. also check bugs.debian.org |
| 21:35.34 | jshriver | Greetings... anyone here familiar with pose? |
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| 21:35.47 | BrianR___ | thanks. |
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| 21:36.48 | pzn | widrone, I have several computers at one end of a connection. I have others at other end. I'll connect them with a full-duplex 128kbps link. Some applications that read/write files became really slow. I'd like to do some caching to nfs/smb to work better. |
| 21:36.58 | theD3viL | hm..how to right click and extract? What i must install? |
| 21:37.09 | abrotman | pzn: #samba might know about caching smb connections |
| 21:37.19 | pzn | theD3viL, first you need a mouse :-) |
| 21:37.19 | abrotman | theD3viL: which wm ? |
| 21:37.30 | theD3viL | abrotman, gnome |
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| 21:37.42 | abrotman | theD3viL: guitar or fileroller |
| 21:37.47 | abrotman | or nautilus i suppose |
| 21:37.52 | Blissex | pzn: dream on! |
| 21:37.57 | theD3viL | abrotman, tnx :) |
| 21:38.16 | Blissex | pzn: _nothing_ will make file access perform decently over a shared 128KiB link. |
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| 21:39.04 | theD3viL | abrotman, wtf? |
| 21:39.05 | theD3viL | dpkg: syntax error: unknown group `Debian-exim' in statusoverride file |
| 21:39.05 | theD3viL | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 21:39.08 | elvirolo | hi |
| 21:39.13 | MadLoVe | a.q cocuklarý |
| 21:39.15 | MadLoVe | benle konusun |
| 21:39.20 | MadLoVe | sikerim topunuzu |
| 21:39.27 | pzn | Blissex, it may be... I noticed there are lots of more reads. just a few writes... may be it will work ok. |
| 21:39.29 | MadLoVe | orospu cocuklarý |
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| 21:39.39 | MadLoVe | ananýzý sikem |
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| 21:39.51 | soymilk | cool i found a way to get around the PermitRootLogins=no issue when rsyncing files: use the --rsync-path='sudo rsync' option |
| 21:39.55 | elvirolo | i've edited my /etc/X11/xorg.conf appropriately, but I can't get a 1280x960 resolution for my screen |
| 21:39.55 | abrotman | MadLoVe: english |
| 21:39.57 | pitchin_uk | l3m: d'oh next issue - when i dkpg the fglrx-driver ****.deb i get dependency problems |
| 21:39.59 | Blissex | pzn: the kernel will cache reads -- perhaps increased the '/proc/sys/vm/swappiness' parameter tom make it cache moe. |
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| 21:40.06 | MadLoVe | abrotman |
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| 21:40.12 | elvirolo | it used to work under ubuntu, with the radeon driver |
| 21:40.14 | dumezil1 | im trying to partition some scsi discs on my system and i keep getting "fatal error: cannot open disk drive" from cfdisk. does this mean the disk is bad? the disks are part of a fibre channel 20 disc array. could it be that linux has some problem with the array? |
| 21:40.17 | elvirolo | can anyone helpme? |
| 21:40.21 | MadLoVe | who speak me? |
| 21:40.28 | abrotman | MadLoVe: what is your native language ? |
| 21:40.36 | MadLoVe | Turkish |
| 21:40.38 | brian__ | is there a way to rerun the installer interface that comes up when you apt-get install x-window-system ??? |
| 21:40.50 | dumezil1 | dpkg-reconfigure x-window-system |
| 21:40.55 | brian__ | sweet...thx |
| 21:40.58 | MadLoVe | understand |
| 21:41.12 | nkuttler | !tr |
| 21:41.12 | dpkg | methinks tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr, or http://www.hermessoft.com/newproject/keyboards/kbd/turkish1.gif |
| 21:41.22 | elvirolo | dumezil1: ok i'll try |
| 21:41.33 | cheal | !drxx brian__ |
| 21:41.34 | dpkg | brian__: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 21:41.36 | l3m | pitchin_uk: yes, upon further reading i'd advise you to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 21:41.56 | l3m | pitchin_uk: and add deb http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian-fglrx-xorg/ / |
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| 21:42.04 | MadLoVe | ananýsýn amý |
| 21:42.09 | MadLoVe | sikik herifler |
| 21:42.10 | brian__ | yeah that did it (xserver-xorg) |
| 21:42.12 | MadLoVe | pustmusunuz |
| 21:42.16 | MadLoVe | siktirn gidin |
| 21:42.22 | MadLoVe | avrupa ananýsý siksin |
| 21:42.23 | l3m | pitchin_uk: then you can just apt-get the whole thing |
| 21:42.32 | l3m | pitchin_uk: and dependencies are resolved automatically |
| 21:42.45 | l3m | pitchin_uk: it's a while since i used ati, so my memory was a bit rusty |
| 21:43.45 | theD3viL | WTF? dpkg: syntax error: unknown group `Debian-exim' in statusoverride file :S |
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| 21:44.02 | pookiebuns | I have 3 monitors each running on their own video card. 2 voodoo 3's and an aiw 9800.... is there a way to determine the bus identifier for my radeon card? |
| 21:44.13 | Blissex | pookiebuns: 'lspci' |
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| 21:44.17 | elvirolo | uuuug, when i try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, the radeon driver doesn't appear in the list |
| 21:44.27 | pookiebuns | aah yes, that's it.. its been a while..thx Blissex |
| 21:44.48 | soymilk | theD3viL: that's very useful. just give us a random clip of some error message from an unkwown command and expect it to be coherent |
| 21:44.50 | pitchin_uk | l3m: so i should now be able to apt-get install fglrx ?? |
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| 21:45.07 | l3m | after you've added the apt sources line, yes |
| 21:45.24 | sidizen | what tool could i use to adjust the size of my paritition? |
| 21:45.25 | l3m | pitchin_uk: apt-get update; apt-get install flgrx-driver |
| 21:45.32 | pookiebuns | Blissex, for some odd reason it doesn't recognize lspci, do i need to install it? i thought it was part of the system.. |
| 21:45.33 | pitchin_uk | l3m: done that - hear goes!! |
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| 21:45.39 | hid3 | Evening everyone. I started ntp server on machine1, however, when trying to use ntpdate macine1 from another computer, I get the following: ntpdate[14534]: no server suitable for synchronization found. What can be wrong? |
| 21:45.49 | elvirolo | can anyone please help me ? |
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| 21:46.03 | scx | hello :) |
| 21:46.15 | Blissex | pookiebuns: 'apt-get install pciutils' |
| 21:46.20 | pookiebuns | sweet. thx |
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| 21:46.29 | abrotman | pookiebuns: update-pciids |
| 21:46.34 | Blissex | hid3: the other server is not running a NTP server. |
| 21:46.45 | scx | someone you knows about a - GNU/GPL - 3D CAD ?? |
| 21:46.49 | Frankablu | How do I make apt-get reinstall a application? |
| 21:46.58 | Blissex | scx: yes. |
| 21:46.58 | abrotman | Frankablu: man apt-get |
| 21:46.58 | pitchin_uk | l3m: didn't like the way i put the source in! do i need an entry after the url |
| 21:46.59 | hid3 | Blissex: but it is. I can see ntpd in `ps aux` output. |
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| 21:47.09 | scx | I see QCAD isn't GPL |
| 21:47.23 | Blissex | hid3: perhaps firewalled or whatever... Try 'nmap' to see which ports are open. |
| 21:47.27 | elvirolo | AND the 1280x960 res doesn't appear EITHER |
| 21:47.34 | l3m | pitchin_uk: it needs to liik thike this: " deb http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian-fglrx-xorg/ / " |
| 21:47.35 | scx | Blissex: Which one ? :| |
| 21:47.41 | l3m | from deb to the last / |
| 21:47.53 | Blissex | scx: I don't know :-) |
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| 21:47.57 | pitchin_uk | l3m : i missed the final / |
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| 21:48.07 | nkuttler | scx: where do you see it's not gpl? |
| 21:48.12 | scx | Blissex: are you drunk ? |
| 21:48.12 | hid3 | well, I can see open 123 port w/o any probs.. very strange. |
| 21:48.15 | Blissex | pitchin_uk: the final "/" should be a "./" |
| 21:48.19 | elvirolo | well thanks a lot for your help |
| 21:48.32 | scx | nkuttler: the setup in win |
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| 21:49.00 | djp | does anyone here use abcde to encode flac files from audio cd's? i am trying to change the location where files are output to |
| 21:49.04 | scx | nkuttler: When I did the install in a windows machine, I sawthe Copyright licence |
| 21:49.05 | l3m | Blissex: well i copied the sources line directly from xoomers homepage |
| 21:49.08 | nkuttler | scx: well, you are mostly wrong |
| 21:49.13 | l3m | elvirolo: what's your problem? |
| 21:49.31 | scx | djp: use Noteedit or Muse |
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| 21:49.37 | efaistos | is there a way to increase a FS with lvm without unmounting it like under AIX ? |
| 21:49.47 | scx | nkuttler: u think so,... |
| 21:49.55 | nkuttler | scx: no, i know |
| 21:50.04 | elvirolo | l3m: i'd like my screen resolution to be 1280x960, so i edited my /etc/X11/xorg.conf accordingly, but it doesn't work |
| 21:50.05 | scx | nkuttler: I'll better check the webpage,... |
| 21:50.15 | elvirolo | l3m: although it did under ubuntu |
| 21:50.35 | l3m | elvirolo: do you have an intel i810 or similar video chip? |
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| 21:50.59 | elvirolo | l3m: no, i have an ati radeon 7500 |
| 21:51.05 | pitchin_uk | l3m: right the apt-get is almost there - it can't find fglrx |
| 21:51.24 | l3m | elvirolo: hmm dunno.. i have 1280x768 and it works fine... |
| 21:51.42 | l3m | pitchin_uk: you need flglrx-driver and flglrx-kernel-src |
| 21:51.57 | muhoo | i'm in deep trouble. i changed to a new mobo, everything works perfectly, but my external scsi tape drive gives me write errors at the same spot, no matter what tape i use. |
| 21:52.17 | pitchin_uk | l3m : i missed the * to get the lot |
| 21:52.24 | muhoo | 3050 blocks in. there is one other device on this scsi card, a scanner, and it works fine, not a single hiccup. |
| 21:52.36 | elvirolo | l3m: well, thanks anyway |
| 21:52.40 | muhoo | it is also the same scsi card i had in the other mobo too |
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| 21:52.51 | l3m | pitchin_uk: do you use sarge? |
| 21:52.57 | muhoo | i tried running tape head cleaning tape, even bought a new one, no dice |
| 21:52.59 | muhoo | this is sarge. |
| 21:53.41 | pitchin_uk | l3m: nope |
| 21:54.00 | l3m | pitchin_uk: what kernel do you have? |
| 21:54.19 | pitchin_uk | 2.4.27 |
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| 21:54.19 | muhoo | basically dump gets to Pass III [directories], and pukes when writing the filemark |
| 21:54.39 | muhoo | st0: Error with sense data: <6>st0: Current: sense key=0x6 ASC=0x29 ASCQ=0x0 st0: Error on write filemark |
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| 21:55.00 | pitchin_uk | l3m: by the way it can't resolve its dependencies |
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| 21:55.05 | muhoo | google is no help :-( |
| 21:55.06 | dumezil1 | im trying to partition some scsi discs on my system and i keep getting "fatal error: cannot open disk drive" from cfdisk. does this mean the disk is bad? the disks are part of a fibre channel 20 disc array. could it be that linux has some problem with the array? |
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| 21:55.25 | pitchin_uk | l3m : when i apt-get the fglrx-driver |
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| 21:56.18 | l3m | pitchin_uk: hmm maybe it only works for stable and testing, not for woody... |
| 21:56.56 | abrotman | uhm .. i would almost guarantee it .. but who is using woody ? |
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| 21:57.00 | sandman | What's an effective tool for incremental backups? |
| 21:57.01 | abrotman | 2.4.27 isn't woody |
| 21:57.11 | abrotman | pitchin_uk: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 21:57.19 | pitchin_uk | l3m: let explain my first situation and you might be able to suggest an alternative.... |
| 21:57.20 | muhoo | dumezil1: good luck. i'm having scsi problems too. nobody seems to care. |
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| 21:57.38 | l3m | pitchin_uk: which dist of debian are you using? |
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| 21:58.25 | pookiebuns | exit |
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| 21:59.22 | pitchin_uk | l3m: i want to install debian 3.1 as a home workstation, so i got hold of the network install. after the install i got the shell and d/loaded xfce4 and x-window-system-core. when i tried startx it didn't work, which brings us up to where you came in |
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| 21:59.51 | l3m | pitchin_uk: ok, but 3.1 is sarge ;) |
| 21:59.55 | soymilk | how can i configure rsync so that, whenever it is run, that it always uses the "--rsync-path='sudo rsync'" switch? |
| 22:00.17 | widrone | muhoo: So scsi subsys is not working and you get same error on all tapes? |
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| 22:00.46 | muhoo | widrone: well i don't know if it is the scsi subsystem. but i do get the error on all tapes |
| 22:01.01 | muhoo | and nothing has changed with this drive, scsi card, even the cabling. all i changed is the mobo. |
| 22:01.04 | l3m | pitchin_uk:hmm paste your X error in rafb.net/paste |
| 22:01.11 | GmLB | Anyone have a suggestion on how I could set samba to a higher disk read priority, so that when i'm streaming music over the lan i can ensure that a local copy job won't slow it down? |
| 22:01.16 | widrone | muhoo: SCSI subsys is working then since you get scanner to work. Least some of it. |
| 22:01.17 | l3m | pitchin_uk: and also the apt-get unresolved dependencies |
| 22:01.25 | muhoo | widrone: that's what i assume, yes. |
| 22:01.25 | soymilk | oh duh just an alias |
| 22:01.54 | muhoo | i would blame the drive, except that the only thing i changed is the mobo. |
| 22:02.03 | widrone | muhoo: Im not familiar with tape, but it writes linear probably. And after the same number of writes it errors out. |
| 22:02.11 | muhoo | exactly. |
| 22:02.16 | abrotman | pitchin_uk: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 22:02.19 | pitchin_uk | l3m: i cant do that as i am using irc on my laptop - and its a lot to type in |
| 22:02.29 | muhoo | 3050 blocks (10kb each) |
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| 22:02.56 | muhoo | or 3060 blocks. (2.99MB) basically, the directory is what dump writes first. |
| 22:02.57 | l3m | pitchin_uk: hmm did you try to start X with the vesa driver? |
| 22:03.00 | widrone | muhoo: Maybe some irq showoff that happens or some busmaster stuff in pcibus. I dunno really. |
| 22:03.03 | l3m | pitchin_uk: that should work anyway |
| 22:03.25 | pitchin_uk | l3m : i simply typed startx |
| 22:03.27 | muhoo | widrone: then scsi subsystem is compaining abotu error with sense data |
| 22:03.36 | sandman | What's the journal size of an ext3fs? |
| 22:03.38 | widrone | muhoo: Try turning other hardware off in bios if its onboard, or another pci slot. Go wild =/ |
| 22:03.48 | l3m | pitchin_uk: ok try "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" |
| 22:03.55 | l3m | pitchin_uk: and try the vesa driver |
| 22:04.02 | pitchin_uk | l3m : ok |
| 22:04.03 | Blissex | sandman: depends on filesystem size, which is stupid, but often between 8MiB and 32MiB./ |
| 22:04.11 | sandman | Is there a fs that resists hardware failure well, like bad blocks? |
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| 22:04.16 | l3m | pitchin_uk: and be careful to choose the right mouse |
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| 22:04.20 | muhoo | widrone: hmm. what other hardware? the card is PCI |
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| 22:04.28 | scx | * scx: weird |
| 22:04.29 | widrone | muhoo: Im not that lowlevel in the scsi subsystem, I just trying to get you troubleshooting instead of giving up. |
| 22:04.30 | l3m | pitchin_uk: e.g. /dev/input/mice if you use an usb mouse |
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| 22:04.35 | muhoo | widrone: heh. |
| 22:04.42 | kamaraju | every time I do `sudo dhclient`, a new IP address is assigned to my computer from the router (linksys BESFR41). Is there any way to always obtain the same IP address when running dhclient? |
| 22:04.51 | widrone | muhoo: Maybe you had some onboard harware on the new mobo you didnt have before. |
| 22:04.51 | Frankablu | How do I tell apt-get to reinstall all my packages? |
| 22:05.01 | pitchin_uk | l3m: xserver-xorg is not installed |
| 22:05.02 | theD3viL | wtf my debian crashed!! > dpkg: syntax error: unknown group `Debian-exim' in statusoverride file |
| 22:05.02 | theD3viL | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 22:05.02 | muhoo | widrone: i like troubleshooting with some kind of plan. i hate just randomly trying useless things, hoping that something will work. |
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| 22:05.16 | sandman | For some reason I have this urge to partition 2 floppy disks and setup software raid between them. Yes, I know it will perform so badly it'll make my teeth curl, but for some reason I just feel like playinh |
| 22:05.23 | l3m | pitchin_uk: ohmm try xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:05.39 | muhoo | widrone: but the onboard hardware might be worth a shot; i'll take a look. |
| 22:05.39 | l3m | pitchin_uk: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 22:06.11 | muhoo | what do these sense keys mean exactly? |
| 22:06.39 | widrone | muhoo: Since the only thing you changed is the mobo, its a direction. Good luck. |
| 22:06.43 | pitchin_uk | l3m : right i have the config screen - so i want the vesa x server driver |
| 22:06.52 | l3m | pitchin_uk: yeah |
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| 22:07.45 | muhoo | widrone: hmm. dma perhaps |
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| 22:08.07 | pitchin_uk | l3m : its now asking for the video cards bus identifier |
| 22:08.21 | muhoo | thanks |
| 22:08.25 | pitchin_uk | l3m : btw its agp |
| 22:08.32 | remyforbes777 | abrotman: found that k8 kernel image |
| 22:08.33 | l3m | pitchin_uk: just use the default it presents you until you get to the screen where you're asked about the mouse |
| 22:08.38 | l3m | pitchin_uk: defaults |
| 22:09.14 | pitchin_uk | l3m: there is no default for this question only a blank line |
| 22:09.26 | l3m | pitchin_uk: just type enter ;) |
| 22:09.33 | l3m | pitchin_uk: press enter |
| 22:09.37 | l3m | pitchin_uk: leave it empty |
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| 22:10.13 | pitchin_uk | l3m : im guessing keyboard layout for the uk is uk |
| 22:10.24 | abrotman | remyforbes777: where ? |
| 22:10.25 | muhoo | hmm, this is the closest i've found: http://www.sunmanagers.org/pipermail/sunmanagers/2001-July/005088.html |
| 22:10.36 | l3m | pitchin_uk: just leave the defaults, you can change the "unimportant" settings later ;) |
| 22:10.46 | abrotman | pitchin_uk: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 22:10.55 | remyforbes777 | kernel-image-2.6.11.... |
| 22:10.59 | l3m | pitchin_uk: yeah, and do what abrotman tells you |
| 22:11.10 | remyforbes777 | now I keep getting hdc: lost interrupt |
| 22:11.12 | theD3viL | wtf my debian crashed!! > dpkg: syntax error: unknown group `Debian-exim' in statusoverride file |
| 22:11.17 | abrotman | for the third time :) |
| 22:11.38 | l3m | i guess he has an outdated sarge cd, right? |
| 22:11.49 | l3m | sarge uses xorg, no? |
| 22:11.58 | abrotman | no it does not |
| 22:11.59 | Ronin | l3m: no |
| 22:12.03 | l3m | ah ok |
| 22:12.04 | l3m | ty |
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| 22:12.36 | abrotman | Ronin: can you make a !roninsmite :) |
| 22:13.04 | Ronin | heh :) |
| 22:13.13 | sparr | I want to use a console font (.font or .psf) in X. Is there any program to do the conversion, or any X terminal program that can use console fonts? |
| 22:13.18 | pitchin_uk | l3m : right ive gone through the setup - just about to do abrotmans suggestion |
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| 22:13.26 | Ronin | im still trying to remember what my qotd number is abrotman |
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| 22:14.13 | remyforbes777 | abrotman: wassup with these hdc: lost interrupt message |
| 22:14.35 | sonoio84 | a lots debian users |
| 22:15.27 | sonoio84 | anyone from italy? |
| 22:15.45 | widrone | !it |
| 22:15.45 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 22:15.46 | pitchin_uk | abrotman: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 the bit either side of libc6 - are they pipes or l's or i's ??? |
| 22:16.04 | abrotman | Ronin: that's easy! |
| 22:16.09 | sonoio84 | thx |
| 22:16.14 | abrotman | pitchin_uk: it's a | .. not l or i or 1 |
| 22:16.39 | abrotman | Ronin: you don't have one! |
| 22:16.47 | kjs3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:16.49 | abrotman | remyforbes777: did you look on the floor ? |
| 22:16.49 | scx | djp: TSE3 |
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| 22:17.15 | Ronin | abrotman: heh,thought i did, oh well ill just have to come up with a proper smart ass comment and see if it makes it in :) |
| 22:17.29 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 22:17.29 | dpkg | qotd5 is probably <antgel__>wols_: that was my question. i have established that the best method could be to open the disc and use a small magnet to get all the 1s and 0s in the right places |
| 22:17.31 | l3m | pitchin_uk: dpkg ( -l as in list ) libc6 ( pipe ) -(one) |
| 22:17.36 | remyforbes777 | abrotman: on the floor? |
| 22:17.39 | pitchin_uk | abrotman: i get libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 ..... |
| 22:17.44 | abrotman | remyforbes777: for the lost interrupts |
| 22:18.11 | Fleck | i have problem ... glibc detected ***** invalid next size (fast): ... and Aborted :( |
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| 22:18.52 | abrotman | pitchin_uk: i just wanted to verify for my sanity and l3m that oyu were on sarge :) |
| 22:19.13 | widrone | abrotman: I give my interrupts a map or even better gps, then they usually find their own way home. |
| 22:19.15 | Jaxxan | hey ya'll |
| 22:19.24 | l3m | pitchin_uk: try startx again ( as user, NOT as root ) |
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| 22:19.34 | pitchin_uk | ok my apologies for the confusion - didn't realise 3.1 had a porject name |
| 22:19.34 | Jaxxan | what's the command to see what version of debian you're running? (ie: woody or sarge) i can't remember, it's been to long |
| 22:19.39 | pitchin_uk | project even |
| 22:19.39 | l3m | abrotman: ty ;) |
| 22:20.02 | cheal | Jaxxan: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 22:20.04 | bob2 | 0 |
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| 22:20.26 | abrotman | !version |
| 22:20.26 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:20.39 | pitchin_uk | right l3m & abrotman im a step closer!!! it didn't like /dev/input/mice for my mouse |
| 22:20.45 | abrotman | psaux ? |
| 22:20.52 | l3m | pitchin_uk: modprobe mousedev |
| 22:21.00 | Jaxxan | 3.1 is sarge right ? |
| 22:21.03 | abrotman | remyforbes777: TBH .. i've never seen those errors |
| 22:21.05 | l3m | Jaxxan: yes |
| 22:21.05 | Jaxxan | why yes it is |
| 22:21.06 | abrotman | Jaxxan: yes |
| 22:21.09 | remyforbes777 | lol |
| 22:21.11 | Jaxxan | thx guys |
| 22:21.21 | remyforbes777 | i did a update and its not happening anymore |
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| 22:21.42 | mike_sol | this woman here just asked how you spell 'taiwan' |
| 22:21.45 | Jaxxan | so i got a 3.1 version of debian that's hanging at lilo boot: uncompressing linux... OK, booting the kernel... |
| 22:21.56 | mike_sol | im going to fucking throw furniture at her |
| 22:22.01 | pitchin_uk | l3m : mice: ps/2 mouse device common for all mice |
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| 22:22.03 | Jaxxan | isn't there a command to bring it up with default kernel options or something with a bootdisk |
| 22:22.14 | pitchin_uk | startx |
| 22:22.14 | remyforbes777 | but whenever i try to startx i get error :unknown type (oxffffffff) screens found but none have a usable configuration |
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| 22:22.31 | valdyn_ | !noscreensfound |
| 22:22.31 | dpkg | methinks noscreensfound is probably dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your XFree86 log to find the actual problem. There will be an earlier error (marked "(EE)") that is the actual problem. |
| 22:23.00 | remyforbes777 | ok |
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| 22:23.26 | Jaxxan | is sarge stable yet ? |
| 22:23.31 | Jaxxan | or is stable still woody ? |
| 22:23.31 | l3m | Jaxxan: yes |
| 22:23.33 | resiak | EGADS |
| 22:23.35 | Jaxxan | sweet ! |
| 22:23.36 | Ronin | Jaxxan: been so for some time |
| 22:23.55 | pitchin_uk | l3m & abrotman: I HAVE A WM!!!!!!!!!!! thanks very much for such sterling help |
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| 22:24.16 | abrotman | pitchin_uk: yay |
| 22:24.39 | pitchin_uk | but....... my mouse is dead :( |
| 22:24.42 | abrotman | valdyn_: wrong error :) |
| 22:24.55 | abrotman | !tell Jaxxan about sarge |
| 22:24.56 | pitchin_uk | rip my mouse - it was in its prime!!!! |
| 22:24.59 | rutski89 | how do i get kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 22:25.02 | l3m | pitchin_uk: ;) it's always tough in the beginning... but now the fun starts |
| 22:25.15 | abrotman | rutski89: apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386 .. oddly enough |
| 22:25.30 | Evgen | I hava a question |
| 22:25.35 | Evgen | I have a question |
| 22:25.47 | klock | ya |
| 22:25.55 | rutski89 | abrotman: heh, they're not there |
| 22:26.00 | pitchin_uk | l3m : indeed the mouse isn't moving but the keyboard works |
| 22:26.02 | abrotman | rutski89: are oyu running sarge ? |
| 22:26.19 | pitchin_uk | l3m : guessing it doesn't like the port |
| 22:26.20 | abrotman | pitchin_uk: perhaps you picked the wrong port or protocol for your mouse |
| 22:26.31 | l3m | pitchin_uk: do you have ps2 or usb mouse? |
| 22:26.39 | pitchin_uk | ps/2 |
| 22:26.43 | abrotman | try /dev/psaux |
| 22:26.49 | rutski89 | abrotman: not sure |
| 22:26.50 | pitchin_uk | ok |
| 22:26.55 | l3m | hmm and imps/2 protocol ... |
| 22:26.56 | l3m | maybe |
| 22:27.02 | pitchin_uk | shall i reconfig the xserver |
| 22:27.12 | l3m | pitchin_uk: yes |
| 22:27.27 | Ungy | or chose the wrong type for his mouse I did that once and had the same problem |
| 22:27.30 | abrotman | rutski89: that package is available in sarge .. dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 22:27.50 | rutski89 | libc6 2.3.5-6 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
| 22:27.53 | abrotman | Ungy: admit it .. your real problem was mysql! |
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| 22:27.57 | abrotman | rutski89: you're not runnign sarge |
| 22:28.00 | abrotman | rutski89: uname -a |
| 22:28.02 | abrotman | err -r |
| 22:28.23 | Pihhan|O | anyone experimenced x windows lock on sarge? |
| 22:28.30 | Ungy | abrotman, actually it was postgresql I said I wanted a database and it installed that once I removed it and installed mysql it started working again |
| 22:28.33 | Frankablu | How do I reinstall all installed packages? |
| 22:28.36 | Evgen | I have a questuion |
| 22:28.37 | Evgen | Whether supports kernel Derbian linux 2.4 on architecture ARM USB to COM conventer? |
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| 22:28.39 | abrotman | Ungy: hehe |
| 22:28.43 | rutski89 | abrotman: 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 22:28.46 | abrotman | !arm |
| 22:28.46 | dpkg | [arm] Advanced RiSC Machine, a processor architecture, or http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/, or best supported in #debian-arm |
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| 22:28.54 | abrotman | Frankablu: man apt-get |
| 22:29.13 | abrotman | rutski89: you will either have to download it manually from packages.debian.org or upgrade your kernel to something in etch |
| 22:29.16 | l3m | Frankablu: why would you want to do that? |
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| 22:29.37 | abrotman | Frankablu: oh . sorry .. ALL packages :) |
| 22:29.40 | abrotman | !reinstall |
| 22:29.40 | dpkg | reinstall is, like, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
| 22:29.41 | Pihhan|O | it happened me several times, that my xwindow system stopped responding, only mouse is moveing |
| 22:29.49 | pitchin_uk | abrotman / l3m - i think you both deserve gold stars i have a mouse!! |
| 22:29.55 | rutski89 | abrotman: sure, I can upgrade |
| 22:29.56 | abrotman | pitchin_uk: get a trap! |
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| 22:30.03 | abrotman | rutski89: what CPU is the machine ? |
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| 22:30.46 | Frankablu | l3m: It is a long story but I really do need to do it |
| 22:30.46 | Pihhan|O | still it plays mp3 on background, but it sounds like it does not enoug cpu, which it doesn really have |
| 22:30.51 | rutski89 | abrotman: intel p4, and uhh. I just saw that I already had "unstable" as my main thing in sources.list. So aren't I already in etc? |
| 22:30.53 | rutski89 | **etch |
| 22:30.57 | Pihhan|O | anyone using gxmms_applet? |
| 22:31.08 | abrotman | rutski89: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 |
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| 22:31.14 | abrotman | rutski89: erm .. |
| 22:31.23 | Ungy | rutski89, unstable is sid testing is etch |
| 22:31.25 | abrotman | rutski89: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 linux-headers-2.6-686 |
| 22:31.32 | pitchin_uk | my shell navigation and syntax has just improved 10 fold |
| 22:31.39 | Jaxxan | !dpkg lilo |
| 22:31.39 | dpkg | it has been said that lilo is the LInux LOader, and the head of staff of irc.freenode.net (who isn't named after the LInux LOader) |
| 22:31.47 | abrotman | pitchin_uk: now if only we could get the brits to spell color correctly :) |
| 22:31.58 | Guerin | abrotman: hah |
| 22:32.16 | pitchin_uk | and am now a dab hand @ running through the reconfig for xserver!! |
| 22:32.18 | Jaxxan | how do you get to a lilo... config menu before it starts loading the kernel ? |
| 22:32.36 | l3m | pitchin_uk: ;) |
| 22:32.37 | abrotman | Jaxxan: hold shift |
| 22:32.39 | Ryouko | I need a littele help, what does this error mean ac97_codec.o: Device or resource busy |
| 22:32.40 | Jaxxan | just before boot |
| 22:32.41 | pitchin_uk | abrotman : you say potato...... |
| 22:32.46 | Jaxxan | thanks |
| 22:32.52 | Frankablu | pitchin_uk: Ignore him, we brits are ace |
| 22:32.53 | abrotman | pitchin_uk: no .. i stopped running potato years ago |
| 22:33.03 | abrotman | !potato |
| 22:33.03 | dpkg | hmm... potato is Debian 2.2, released August 14th, 2000, and is no longer supported. Ask me about "potato->woody" for upgrade information. something that grows underground |
| 22:33.17 | l3m | pitchin_uk: desperation and overflowing joy are a part of everyone's first linux experience i guess |
| 22:33.19 | efaistos | with xfs_growfs is there a way to increase by a number of Gb .... Thing like xfs_growfs +13Gb /FS |
| 22:33.21 | l3m | hrhr |
| 22:33.21 | efaistos | ? |
| 22:33.55 | Guerin | abrotman: itym potatoe |
| 22:33.55 | abrotman | l3m: my first involved a lot of cursing at RH for not being able to find a mouse :) |
| 22:33.57 | pitchin_uk | abrotman: typical who comes up with the project names for the releases??? |
| 22:34.07 | abrotman | pitchin_uk: Disney did |
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| 22:34.24 | abrotman | !tell pitchin_uk about release names |
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| 22:34.39 | sepen | hi! |
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| 22:34.41 | sepen | I'm doing a script to replace 'lspci' command on my floppy distro, http://mikeux.dyndns.org/SPNiX/download/scripts/lspci.txt can anyone test it??? |
| 22:34.45 | l3m | abrotman: hehe. luckily i started with debian from the beginning |
| 22:35.00 | l3m | abrotman: but it involved a lot of cursing also |
| 22:35.02 | abrotman | l3m: oh .. RH only lasted about 2 hours .. then it was slink! :) |
| 22:35.08 | abrotman | l3m: slink worked .. and that was that |
| 22:35.23 | abrotman | i think it was slink . doubt it was Hamm |
| 22:35.47 | pitchin_uk | abrotman : fantastic - a linux distro + devel team with a sense of humour!!!!! |
| 22:35.54 | abrotman | pitchin_uk: you have no idea :) |
| 22:35.57 | l3m | well i only started with woody |
| 22:36.05 | l3m | but i'm hooked ever since |
| 22:36.15 | abrotman | though .. wait .. i would have had to have used Hamm at my internship .. so i guess it was Hamm |
| 22:36.27 | tarzeau | abrotman: when's your birthday? |
| 22:36.34 | abrotman | tarzeau: I'm a libra! |
| 22:36.51 | mike_sol | my first was Bo |
| 22:36.55 | pitchin_uk | its already a big difference to the other two distros i have already tried!! |
| 22:37.02 | dumezil1 | im trying to partition some scsi discs on my system and i keep getting "fatal error: cannot open disk drive" from cfdisk. does this mean the disk is bad? the disks are part of a fibre channel 20 disc array. could it be that linux has some problem with the array? |
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| 22:37.15 | dumezil1 | can anyone help me with some scsi problems? |
| 22:37.16 | tarzeau | abrotman: just found looking around for something else www.linuks.mine.nu/dockapp/wmboob-0.1.tar.bz2 |
| 22:37.36 | tarzeau | mine was potato i think, but i switched to sid within a week or so (and i've fallen a few times onto my nose) |
| 22:38.07 | pitchin_uk | just used my new found apt-get skills to order a bit ok kde (sunny side up) |
| 22:38.47 | pitchin_uk | ok = of |
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| 22:38.59 | l3m | pitchin_uk: yay, kde ;) |
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| 22:39.26 | Pihhan|O | i will ask again because its silent moment here |
| 22:39.41 | pitchin_uk | i got xfce first because i haven't used it and wanted to play but im a kde boy |
| 22:39.57 | Pihhan|O | have you met situation when Xfree86 eats almost whole CPU and your X are out of control? |
| 22:39.58 | pitchin_uk | but its a wopper to d/load |
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| 22:40.21 | l3m | pitchin_uk: ..but well worth it ;) |
| 22:40.34 | pitchin_uk | indeed |
| 22:40.52 | Ungy | !start a desktop war |
| 22:40.52 | dpkg | Don't be silly, console is the best. |
| 22:41.05 | Pihhan|O | please |
| 22:41.09 | Blissex | pitchin_uk: it is easy to get it on CD/DVD too. |
| 22:41.43 | Blissex | dumezil1: ofdds are that you are using the wrong device name, or you install the drivers wrong. |
| 22:41.48 | Pihhan|O | i hate loosing my X server, am i alone who has such problem not first time? |
| 22:41.49 | widrone | Pihhan|O: Yes, I had a user wildly click everything in X at free internet cafe I do shifts. He managed that. |
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| 22:42.14 | Ryouko | gah, how do you exit out of vim |
| 22:42.16 | Ryouko | wi* |
| 22:42.20 | Ryouko | vi* damnit |
| 22:42.23 | Pihhan|O | widrone: i dont talk about normal situation |
| 22:42.24 | mike_sol | :q! |
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| 22:42.29 | Phated | Ryouko: Esc, :wq |
| 22:42.33 | MickLinux | Okay, my question: I had Debian/knoppix (Woody/sid), and found out that Sarge was available. So I went to apt-get dist-upgrade -install . Upon reboot, X doesn't work (XDM does appear to try to start), KDE is gone, and the access to my cable modem (network connection) is gone. What do I need to do? |
| 22:42.38 | abrotman | tarzeau: you pervert! |
| 22:42.46 | abrotman | MickLinux: you can't do that |
| 22:42.55 | Pihhan|O | widrone: it does nothing but still ti eats full cpu. All i can do is move my mouse, clicking does not take effect |
| 22:42.57 | SlayerXP | MickLinux: either you have debian, or you have knoppix, which is it? |
| 22:43.04 | pitchin_uk | the good news i think im a debian convert (on support alone) the bad news this is only on my test hdd |
| 22:43.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: i didn't write that ;) |
| 22:43.07 | abrotman | and you either have woody or sid :) |
| 22:43.31 | soymilk | MickLinux: reinstall kde, reconfigure X, configure your network |
| 22:43.55 | abrotman | like that'll work |
| 22:43.57 | MickLinux | Knoppix is a version of debian. It's a live CD, which I then did a knoppix-installer to the HDD |
| 22:44.02 | abrotman | !based on debian |
| 22:44.02 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
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| 22:44.07 | widrone | Pihhan|O: Hm, no other processes that eat it up. Just X going wild? |
| 22:44.07 | MickLinux | It results in a version of mixed Woody/sid |
| 22:44.14 | abrotman | MickLinux: TBH .. your best bet now is to install sarge clean |
| 22:44.22 | l3m | MickLinux: sid ??? |
| 22:44.29 | l3m | MickLinux: i thought you wanted to upgrade to sarge? |
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| 22:44.40 | abrotman | you had woody/sarge/sid/knoppix all mixed in .. |
| 22:44.48 | abrotman | i'm surprised it still boots |
| 22:44.54 | l3m | lol |
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| 22:45.01 | l3m | it's linux, after all |
| 22:45.03 | l3m | ;) |
| 22:45.05 | MickLinux | No, knoppix is not debian, but the knoppix-installer puts a version of Debian/sid on your computer. |
| 22:45.11 | SlayerXP | MickLinux: this is #deboan, not #knoppix |
| 22:45.20 | Ronin | #debian even SlayerXP ;) |
| 22:45.21 | SlayerXP | it's #debian, too |
| 22:45.23 | Pihhan|O | widrone: only Xfree86 eats 98% of CPU. Nothing else is significant |
| 22:45.25 | abrotman | !d-i MickLinux |
| 22:45.26 | dpkg | MickLinux, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 22:45.32 | MickLinux | Okay, how do I install Sarge clean? My system has no CDR, and a flakey floppy. |
| 22:45.45 | l3m | MickLinux: usb stick? ;) |
| 22:45.47 | SlayerXP | MickLinux: PXE boot and do a network install. |
| 22:45.57 | abrotman | i usually go for the monitor install |
| 22:46.06 | l3m | abrotman: rofl |
| 22:46.09 | vca | hah |
| 22:46.17 | MickLinux | nope to the usb stick. What's the PXE boot? |
| 22:46.30 | pitchin_uk | l3m: just doing a apt-get install on kde... do i need to enable cvs pserver |
| 22:46.34 | bob2 | network boot |
| 22:46.35 | MickLinux | (note, I do also have Windows, which I'm using now.) |
| 22:46.36 | widrone | !pxe |
| 22:46.36 | dpkg | pxe is probably a network boot protocol. http://syslinux.zytor.com/pxe.php |
| 22:46.37 | abrotman | MickLinux: network install |
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| 22:46.45 | bob2 | using either firmware on your NIC or a special boot floppy |
| 22:46.49 | l3m | pitchin_uk: hmm you don't need cvs to install kde |
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| 22:47.16 | l3m | MickLinux: how did you install knoppix without cd drive? |
| 22:47.22 | MickLinux | Back to the boot floppy. Hmmm.. Is there a way to download the installer to the HDD, and start it up from the Debian command line? |
| 22:47.29 | MickLinux | I have a CD, not a CDR |
| 22:47.32 | pitchin_uk | l3m : its just the debian configuaration asking me more questions!! |
| 22:47.33 | abrotman | !debootstrap |
| 22:47.33 | dpkg | from memory, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html |
| 22:47.53 | l3m | pitchin_uk: ah... well no, you don't need it |
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| 22:48.57 | l3m | pitchin_uk: in 99.5% of cases the debian default is the right thing if you don't know what apt asks you ;) |
| 22:48.58 | pitchin_uk | l3m : its now telling me libsensors3 is not functional |
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| 22:49.11 | l3m | pitchin_uk: merrily ignore it |
| 22:49.35 | pitchin_uk | l3m : i like your style!! |
| 22:50.08 | pitchin_uk | l3m: should i concern myself with thoughts of upgrading the kernel?? |
| 22:50.57 | MickLinux | Just out of wondering, why did apt-get dist-upgrade -install go so bad? |
| 22:51.16 | l3m | pitchin_uk: hmm yes |
| 22:51.27 | l3m | pitchin_uk: 2.6 is nice |
| 22:51.33 | abrotman | MickLinux: because you tried to upgrade from sid to sarge |
| 22:51.47 | MickLinux | What's wrong with that? I'm not sure I understand. |
| 22:51.52 | pitchin_uk | l3m : is it easier than my previous scenario!! |
| 22:51.53 | l3m | pitchin_uk: and you can even download xoomer's ati drivers without having to compile anything when using 2.6 |
| 22:52.27 | pitchin_uk | am i right in saying sid isnt a debian release |
| 22:52.28 | l3m | pitchin_uk: i guess you use grub? if not, install grub frist |
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| 22:52.32 | abrotman | MickLinux: woody is old stable, sarge is current stable, sid is unstable |
| 22:52.40 | abrotman | !sid |
| 22:52.40 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 22:52.41 | l3m | pitchin_uk: sid is debian unstable |
| 22:52.47 | l3m | pitchin_uk: you don't want that atm |
| 22:52.53 | bob2 | MickLinux: sid? |
| 22:52.57 | pitchin_uk | i see |
| 22:53.05 | pitchin_uk | l3m: i have grub |
| 22:53.12 | abrotman | bob2: he tried to upgrade from woody/sid/knoppix to sarge .. and it went badly |
| 22:53.19 | bob2 | ouch |
| 22:53.31 | pezza | Hi, installed sarge today. I'm trying to get my parallel port scanner to work as normal user. Works as root. Usually I just change permissions for /dev/parport0 to do this, but /dev/parport0 doesn't exist! It's not /dev/lp0 either. Any ideas which device node it could be? |
| 22:53.40 | bob2 | oh, btw, people using sid: grep is fucked, put it on hold |
| 22:53.41 | MickLinux | Yes, but it would seem to me that upgrading from unstable to stable (sid to sarge) should work. |
| 22:53.43 | Frankablu | I'm getting this error when I try the reinstall all packages with the command given by dpkg (the bot) "Couldn't configure pre-depend core-utils for debianutils, probaility a dependency cycle" |
| 22:53.50 | l3m | pitchin_uk: good. apt-get install module-init-tools linux-image-2.6.8-1-686 or k7 or whatever suits your machine. |
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| 22:54.09 | bob2 | MickLinux: no, never has been supported, but it does sometimes work, if you're careful |
| 22:54.13 | l3m | MickLinux: downgrading sid is asking for trouble |
| 22:54.28 | abrotman | how is unstable to stable an upgrade ? |
| 22:54.28 | pitchin_uk | i have a standard i386 |
| 22:54.32 | Blissex | SID is asking for trouble anyhow... |
| 22:54.36 | abrotman | bah ... |
| 22:54.55 | pitchin_uk | he was a nasty toy destroying character!!! |
| 22:55.03 | SlayerXP | abrotman: well, you're upgrading to stuff that probably works, hopefully :) |
| 22:55.05 | l3m | pitchin_uk: what processor do you have? pentium 3, 4? ahtlon? |
| 22:55.09 | l3m | athlon even |
| 22:55.13 | abrotman | SlayerXP: other than that :) |
| 22:55.22 | SlayerXP | pitchin_uk: you do not have a standard i386 |
| 22:55.25 | Blissex | some people put on a miniskirt, heavy makeup and then try to make up with Sid. Its only trouble I tell them :-) |
| 22:55.38 | Ungy | I like SID It's kids like him that makes the economy grow |
| 22:55.48 | MickLinux | Okay, well thank,s all. I gues I'll head on out into the wide world. |
| 22:56.14 | Jaxxan | so debian 3.1 is hanging during lilo boot when loading the kernel. i should be able to boot from the install CD and specify to load /dev/sda/ as root right ? |
| 22:56.16 | pitchin_uk | athlon xp |
| 22:56.29 | SlayerXP | I heard someone boasting that they had an Opteron 3000+ the other day |
| 22:56.50 | bob2 | do they ecen exist? |
| 22:56.53 | l3m | pitchin_uk: apt-cache search linux-image-2.6 | grep k7 |
| 22:56.53 | bob2 | if so, I want one |
| 22:56.54 | SlayerXP | bob2: no. |
| 22:56.58 | dumezil1 | Blissex: its a 20 drive array and some of the drives work, but others dont... on a side note, what happens when you have more than 26 scsi drives in a system? |
| 22:56.58 | Blissex | Jaxxan: '/dev/sda1' usually if that's your ''root'' filesystem |
| 22:57.00 | bob2 | hah |
| 22:57.01 | klock | what a loser |
| 22:57.08 | Jaxxan | k |
| 22:57.10 | SlayerXP | bob2: he had an athlon64 3000+ |
| 22:57.19 | Blissex | dumezil1: there is a mad naming scheme that runs up to hundreds of drives. |
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| 22:57.23 | SlayerXP | dumezil: sdaa sdab sdac |
| 22:57.33 | Blissex | dumezil1: in any case a RAID array appears as a single drive. |
| 22:57.35 | SlayerXP | I know, I've been there :) |
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| 22:57.51 | bob2 | SlayerXP: ah |
| 22:57.52 | tarzeau | i've got a 68040/33 and a o2 r10000 |
| 22:57.53 | zdennis | hey all,,, i have a question.... grub or lilo? |
| 22:58.02 | dumezil1 | Blissex: its not a raid array, its just a fibre channel array of disks... they each appear as an individual disk to linux |
| 22:58.03 | tarzeau | zdennis: grub |
| 22:58.04 | Blissex | dumezil1: and a 20 drive array with some drives broken may be unrecoverable. Especially if it is RAID5. |
| 22:58.08 | pitchin_uk | SlayerXP : yer i know :) i meant which flavour i had bee using!! whoops |
| 22:58.11 | SlayerXP | zdennis: that question has no meaniingful answer. |
| 22:58.25 | cherimoyo | excuse a question, please: i've installed a program that wants libc6.1 library. can i have libc6 and libc6.1 in parallel on sarge? |
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| 22:58.32 | l3m | i've got a ..computer |
| 22:58.33 | Blissex | dumezil1: I suggest having a look at '/proc/scsi/scsi' to see if they appear there. |
| 22:58.58 | tarzeau | cherimoyo: which program is that? |
| 22:59.08 | zdennis | SlayerXP, why not? |
| 22:59.10 | cherimoyo | the sun java jdk1.3 |
| 22:59.20 | cherimoyo | i want to use the old one |
| 22:59.24 | bob2 | !+redhat crap |
| 22:59.25 | dpkg | well, redhat crap is 'apt-get install libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1' if you get 'libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file' (get it from woody if you use sarge or sid), or ** NEW redhat crap! If you're missing libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3, it's in woody's libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 package (get it from oldstable/woody archives since it's obsolete) |
| 22:59.30 | tarzeau | cherimoyo: haha |
| 22:59.33 | SlayerXP | zdennis: well, let's try it this way. answer this question: CD or DVD? |
| 22:59.35 | bob2 | cherimoyo: was it bitching about one of those files? |
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| 22:59.48 | cherimoyo | that's it |
| 22:59.51 | dumezil1 | Blissex: yeah all twenty drives appear as do each of the enclosures (10 drives per enclosure) |
| 22:59.53 | l3m | cherimoyo: why don0t you just use java sdk 1.4 from sun? |
| 23:00.00 | zdennis | SlayerXP, if i have 801Mb of data, DVD |
| 23:00.04 | cherimoyo | do i need to add oldstable to the apt file so it fetches it, then? |
| 23:00.06 | l3m | cherimoyo: or 5.0, even |
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| 23:00.09 | tarzeau | l3m: why not 1.5? |
| 23:00.22 | SlayerXP | zdennis: you didn't understand my question |
| 23:00.24 | zdennis | SlayerXP, so you wouldn't consider one better then the other? |
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| 23:00.29 | cherimoyo | i'll like to be as backward compatible as possible |
| 23:00.36 | SlayerXP | zdennis: I wanted to know which was the shoter acronym. |
| 23:00.41 | SlayerXP | shorter |
| 23:00.44 | tarzeau | cherimoyo: compatible? to what? |
| 23:00.53 | bob2 | cherimoyo: nah, download it from packages.debian.org and install the .deb with dpkg |
| 23:00.54 | cherimoyo | to users and their vm's |
| 23:01.08 | pitchin_uk | l3m: was that command supposed to do something? |
| 23:01.08 | cherimoyo | ok, i'll try that |
| 23:01.11 | Blissex | dumezil1: that very good news. You need now to figure out which '/dev/sd...' is each one of them. |
| 23:01.12 | zdennis | SlayerXP, if you were looking for that, you worded your question poorly, there wasn't any "spell it" humor |
| 23:01.13 | SlayerXP | zdennis: so, CD or DVD? |
| 23:01.14 | bob2 | cherimoyo: if you have to put this on a lot of systems, I'd make your own apt source (apt-ftparchive makes it quite simple) |
| 23:01.16 | l3m | cherimoyo: no one uses 1.3 anymore |
| 23:01.28 | zdennis | CD is a shorter acroynm |
| 23:01.29 | tarzeau | cherimoyo: i think you want to learn more about BOFH |
| 23:01.33 | Blissex | dumezil1: try this: 'head /sys/block/sd*/model' |
| 23:01.34 | SlayerXP | zdennis: right. now apply what _you just said_ to the question _you just asked_ |
| 23:01.34 | l3m | pitchin_uk: yeah ;) |
| 23:01.46 | l3m | pitchin_uk: it shows you kernel images |
| 23:01.49 | l3m | pitchin_uk: aah |
| 23:02.00 | l3m | pitchin_uk: my mistake. apt-cache search kernel-image.2.6 | grep k6 |
| 23:02.01 | l3m | pitchin_uk: my mistake. apt-cache search kernel-image.2.6 | grep k7 |
| 23:02.08 | zdennis | SlayerXP, so you're saying that outside of the different characters, they are for most purporses, the same? |
| 23:02.27 | cherimoyo | the one java program i use frequently guarantees backwards compatibility down to 1.3 |
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| 23:02.30 | dumezil1 | Blissex: uhh bash doesn't like the sd* or soemthing |
| 23:02.35 | l3m | pitchin_uk: this should show you the exact name of the kernel image package |
| 23:02.40 | cherimoyo | so i thought i'd go that far back too |
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| 23:02.49 | biatche | a screen question... for those who are familiar.. when do you use -D -m .. and when do you use -d -m? I can't differentiate between the two...-D = doesnt fork a new process? wtf -_-;; |
| 23:02.56 | SlayerXP | zdennis: no, I'm saying that the question "lilo or grub?" is impossible to answer without context. just like you gave me the wrong answer to my question because I wasn't explicit enough |
| 23:03.08 | SlayerXP | why is asking a question so frickin' hard? |
| 23:03.11 | zdennis | SlayerXp, ah, ok. I am beginning to follow now |
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| 23:03.15 | l3m | LILO = evil |
| 23:03.24 | pitchin_uk | l3m : do i want k6 or k7 |
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| 23:03.32 | l3m | pitchin_uk: k7 |
| 23:03.39 | antgel | we have to build a database for a charity for fundraising / contact management. we're considering perl/tk and html front ends. are there frameworks (php or other) to make development more structured than just hand-coding basic php? |
| 23:03.44 | zdennis | SlayerXP, for a new linux user (a buddy is installing linux on his laptop right now) would he be more inclined to go with grub or lilo, or does it not really matter? |
| 23:03.53 | dumezil1 | grub |
| 23:04.02 | Agrajag- | biatche: one of them will not let you keep using the terminal (doesn't fork) |
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| 23:04.12 | SlayerXP | zdennis: grub is probably the better choice for a new user. |
| 23:04.17 | l3m | zdennis: grub |
| 23:04.26 | biatche | Agrajag-: what do you mean by.... not let you keep using the terminal? |
| 23:04.38 | zdennis | another buddy of mine is saying that lilo is as good and grub if you know how-to *do things right* the first time |
| 23:04.41 | biatche | Agrajag-: so when do you use -D -m (doesnt fork) when do you use -d -m? |
| 23:04.42 | zdennis | kind of playing devil's advocate |
| 23:04.42 | Agrajag- | biatche: as in it keeps running in the foreground. screen isn't attached though. |
| 23:04.44 | dumezil1 | Blissex: plus sd*/model doesn't exist... in each (sdb for example) is dev, device, queue, range, removable, size, and stat |
| 23:04.48 | pitchin_uk | l3m : amd k7 smp? |
| 23:04.50 | zdennis | so i thought I'd check here and see what consesus was |
| 23:04.53 | zdennis | since I use grub =) |
| 23:04.58 | bob2 | antgel: zope3 is quite an excellent framework, if you have the time to invest using it |
| 23:05.06 | Agrajag- | biatche: you'd use -d -m in a startup script. you woudln't use -D -m in a startup script. i can't think why you'd used -D -m actually |
| 23:05.07 | l3m | pitchin_uk: smp if you have multiple cpu's which you probably dont |
| 23:05.13 | SlayerXP | zdennis: grub and lilo solve the same problem from different approaches. grub is probably more flexible and easier to fix when something goes wrong. |
| 23:05.14 | bob2 | antgel: writing php is now highly painful, since it makes me do a lot of stuff zope does automagically |
| 23:05.18 | l3m | pitchin_uk: so just k7 should be fine |
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| 23:05.22 | enveezee | well that proves that simply a loud sound isnt enough to wake me up... but then again I think I already knew that |
| 23:05.24 | litage | when i ran ``make-kpkg --revision=686-smp-Intel-D945NGT-v1 kernel_image'' this error occurred. how can i set the revision?: I note that you are using the --revision flag with the value 686-smp-Intel-D945NGT-v1. However, the ./debian/changelog file exists, and has a different value: 10.00.Custom. I am confused by this discrepancy, and am halting." |
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| 23:06.05 | bob2 | litage: you have to provide the same --revision flag to every single call to make-kpkg (maybe you ran make-kpkg config before?) |
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| 23:06.17 | bob2 | litage: the brute force fix is to run 'make-kpkg clean' and start over |
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| 23:06.22 | pitchin_uk | l3m: just the one cpu - which is better 2.6 or 2.8? |
| 23:06.23 | biatche | Agrajag-: ok so i should use -d -m in a startup script... no reason to think of for using -D -m? |
| 23:06.25 | antgel | bob2: interesting. we're looking at plone for something else but haven't really investigated where zope comes into the loop. still busy laughing at the names of these things :) |
| 23:06.32 | Agrajag- | biatche: right. |
| 23:06.39 | l3m | pitchin_uk: errr, you want 2.6.8 ;) |
| 23:06.43 | Scott16 | hi |
| 23:06.49 | litage | bob2: if i run ``make-kpkg clean'', recompiling will take forever, right? |
| 23:06.49 | biatche | Agrajag-: strange... i wonder why its there then |
| 23:06.55 | l3m | pitchin_uk: 2.8 is future technology |
| 23:07.00 | bob2 | litage: yes, unfortunately |
| 23:07.03 | Daishi | anyone ever had a problem with debian etch where eject even though sg, and all the other usb and scsi things are loaded it refuses to eject say an ipod or usb drive |
| 23:07.03 | l3m | pitchin_uk: and 2.6.6 is old |
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| 23:07.07 | Agrajag- | biatche: someone, somewhere at some time must have a use for it |
| 23:07.10 | Blissex | dumezil1: try 'head /proc/scsi/hd*/model' |
| 23:07.20 | l3m | Daishi: you're still on the filesystem somewhere |
| 23:07.22 | bob2 | litage: I would guess that grepping for the old version in debian/ andh hacking the files manually would let you run kernel_image again |
| 23:07.25 | Daishi | im not |
| 23:07.30 | biatche | Agrajag-: mysterious... but thanks |
| 23:07.37 | enveezee | pitchin_uk: l3m oh? 2.8? |
| 23:07.38 | Daishi | i left the only dir it doesnt give me the busy error |
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| 23:07.49 | Daishi | not an sg device, or old sg driver |
| 23:07.51 | zdennis | thanks for your input on the grub/lilo question |
| 23:07.59 | l3m | Daishi: try " lsof | grep pathwhereyoumountedtheipod |
| 23:08.04 | pitchin_uk | enveezee : not sure i follow?? |
| 23:08.20 | bob2 | antgel: note that plone is based on zope2, not 3, and zope2 appears to be quite terrifyingly complex |
| 23:08.21 | Daishi | debian:~# lsof | grep /mnt/ipod |
| 23:08.21 | Daishi | debian:~# |
| 23:08.23 | litage | bob2: if you compile a kernel and then make some changes in ``make menuconfig'', should you do a clean, or can you just do a kernel_image? |
| 23:08.24 | Daishi | nothing |
| 23:08.32 | Daishi | i know the error youre talking of and this isnt it |
| 23:08.45 | pitchin_uk | ah i see my mistake now!! :) |
| 23:08.48 | bob2 | litage: _image should be plenty, as long as you don't change --revision |
| 23:08.49 | enveezee | pitchin_uk: likewise |
| 23:09.00 | litage | thanks bob2 |
| 23:09.00 | enveezee | pitchin_uk: 2.8 doesnt now or possibly ever exist |
| 23:09.02 | bob2 | litage: np |
| 23:09.05 | Firestarter | is there a way to use route or ifconfig to make eth0 use a certain nameserver? |
| 23:09.16 | shad0wcat | what's that respository called with mythv and all the other non-free/contrib debian packages? |
| 23:09.20 | litage | bob2: btw, how's the weather down there in Canberra? |
| 23:09.24 | pitchin_uk | just read back - and the penny dropped |
| 23:09.24 | antgel | bob2: you really got my attention. are you telling me that zope can be used to create a front-end to a typical database, with widgets etc? |
| 23:09.33 | bob2 | litage: (btw, ccache might be useful if you're going to be compiling things more than once (ie I always use it just in case;)) |
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| 23:10.06 | Daishi | oo wait i may have just figured it out |
| 23:10.10 | antgel | bob2: also, is zope not it's own database, negating use of e.g. mysql / postgresql? |
| 23:10.11 | bob2 | antgel: yes, it lets you specify objects that transparently map to the databse, then it will generate pages and forms, optionally using templates you write |
| 23:10.12 | pitchin_uk | l3m : is it as easy as apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 23:10.30 | l3m | pitchin_uk: yes but you need to also install module-init-tools |
| 23:10.34 | l3m | pitchin_uk: this is very important |
| 23:10.34 | litage | bob2: ccache? never heard of it |
| 23:10.41 | bob2 | antgel: zope includes Z Object DB (which is really quite handy, since all your objects just persist over restarts), or map to various RDMBS |
| 23:11.10 | antgel | bob2: hmm. how interesting. so this is making typical mysql/php redundant |
| 23:11.28 | bob2 | litage: it's warming up nicely, very sunny. surely can't compete with up there, tho. |
| 23:11.29 | l3m | pitchin_uk: and probably discover |
| 23:11.31 | Daishi | hrm nope |
| 23:11.38 | brosioz | for a pc that has a amd64 but has a debian 32bit is better a kernel based on i386 or one based on k7 ? |
| 23:11.44 | l3m | Daishi: what error msg do you get when trying to unmount? |
| 23:11.46 | shad0wcat | what's that repository called where they host the mythtv packages? |
| 23:11.49 | shad0wcat | ma- something |
| 23:11.53 | pitchin_uk | l3m : how do i do that - can you walk me through the procedure?? from the top. |
| 23:12.07 | bob2 | litage: actually written by a canberra guy; it hashes C source files and then stores the resulting compiled object file, so if you try to compile the same file again, it just copies the .o from it's cache |
| 23:12.16 | l3m | pitchin_uk: "apt-get install kernel-image-blah module-init-tools discover" - press enter |
| 23:12.18 | bob2 | antgel: aside from the rather steep learning curve, yes |
| 23:12.18 | l3m | pitchin_uk: ;) |
| 23:12.32 | Daishi | l3m: no error unmounting |
| 23:12.35 | Daishi | error ejecting |
| 23:13.16 | pitchin_uk | l3m : here goes (aprehensively) |
| 23:13.18 | eliasz | hey, does anyone know if a lexmark x3350 works under linux? |
| 23:13.21 | bob2 | antgel: I'm not an expert, just been using it for a few smallish projects, but it feels quite comfortable. it handles boring stuff like form validation and generation and indexes and such automatically, meaning less room for me to fuck up. |
| 23:13.27 | bob2 | eliasz: www.linuxprinting.org |
| 23:14.11 | bob2 | adios. |
| 23:14.40 | eliasz | bob2, its not there.....so it wont work? |
| 23:14.47 | antgel | bob2: it's amazing how hard it is to understand such a simple thing. it's the language they use. i find it odd. so plone is a layer on top of zope for websites that require typical and user-publishable content? |
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| 23:15.02 | bob2 | eliasz: if it's similar to another working model, it may well just work |
| 23:15.03 | l3m | hehe |
| 23:15.08 | bob2 | antgel: yes |
| 23:15.17 | l3m | pi the movie even |
| 23:15.19 | bob2 | antgel: they use lots of odd and confusing jargon |
| 23:15.20 | litage | bob2: wow nice |
| 23:15.24 | bob2 | that was an odd movie |
| 23:15.32 | antgel | good movie |
| 23:15.39 | l3m | bob2: great movie ;) |
| 23:15.42 | l3m | i love it |
| 23:15.51 | soymilk | crappy movie |
| 23:16.02 | bob2 | litage: it may not help so much with kernel builds (since altering the .config could potentially alter lots of the source files), but it's handy in general ;) |
| 23:16.05 | peterS | was there a sequel, 2pi? |
| 23:16.08 | bob2 | great soundtrack, too |
| 23:16.15 | antgel | bob2: i'm pleased i'm not alone in being in jargon hell. jargon hell is usually reserved for windows programming and java |
| 23:16.23 | bob2 | it was c/r |
| 23:16.26 | l3m | indeed. autechre, aphex, everything you need ,) |
| 23:16.32 | soymilk | would have been good had it not been an attempt at a tragedy |
| 23:16.37 | peterS | antgel: not true, you can run across jargon hell in just about *any* field |
| 23:16.42 | pitchin_uk | wasn't that the stage show - pi or not 2pi : that is the question?? |
| 23:16.45 | bob2 | hm, I wonder if I have bouncing beacephuls balls here |
| 23:16.59 | bob2 | antgel: I'm not really sure where it came from |
| 23:17.13 | peterS | pitchin_uk: no, that's the answer to x^2 = 4b^2. x is 2b or -2b. |
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| 23:17.47 | pitchin_uk | l3m : right it looks as though that is complete |
| 23:18.00 | pitchin_uk | l3m : reboot time? |
| 23:18.18 | twinsen | how do I give a regular user control of alsa? function snd_ctl_open failed for default: Permission denied |
| 23:18.18 | bob2 | speaking of which, this week I learnt both what a group was, and what "algebraic numbers" are |
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| 23:18.30 | l3m | pitchin_uk: did it update grub automatically? |
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| 23:18.37 | pitchin_uk | yep |
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| 23:18.44 | l3m | pitchin_uk: ok, reboot |
| 23:18.46 | SlayerXP | bob2: was "2x" one of them? and "3y"? |
| 23:18.48 | l3m | pitchin_uk: and good luck ;) |
| 23:19.16 | pitchin_uk | l3m : will do - cross your fingers for me!!! |
| 23:19.17 | peterS | or, put another way, we've got the square root of 4b^2. but we don't know the sign of b. so, "2b or -2b, that is the question." |
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| 23:20.27 | pitchin_uk | i had an option in grub!! |
| 23:20.34 | pitchin_uk | its doing something !! |
| 23:20.35 | peterS | and then there's a constant value of which we know little: "...to take up arms against a C of troubles" |
| 23:20.51 | bob2 | maths AND shakespeare AND a pun |
| 23:20.52 | antgel | bob2: ironically http://www.zope.org/Resources/ZopePowered/ doesn't work. you know of any websites that showcase zope from a typical database pinot of view? |
| 23:20.54 | bob2 | you're on a roll |
| 23:21.00 | soymilk | anyone know how to do an ssh tunnel to a privileged port on a remote host of PermitRootLogins=no on remote host? |
| 23:21.00 | pitchin_uk | I have a login - woohoo |
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| 23:21.18 | antgel | pitchin_uk: doesn't take much, does it? :) |
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| 23:21.28 | peterS | bob2: shakespeare loved puns, so that fits well enough. dunno about puns and math though, that isn't as natural |
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| 23:22.02 | pitchin_uk | antgel : not after the evening i have had!!! |
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| 23:22.27 | Phated | peterS: pi are round? :) |
| 23:22.33 | bob2 | antgel: hm, no, sorry |
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| 23:22.36 | peterS | actually I take that back, mathematics is ripe for punning, with all the adjectives they reuse |
| 23:22.37 | Phated | *flee* |
| 23:22.41 | pitchin_uk | l3m : i might stop harrassing you soon!! - kde wont start |
| 23:22.44 | peterS | oh, hullo, Phated |
| 23:22.47 | bob2 | antgel: lack of documentation is another issue that raises the barrier to entry |
| 23:22.49 | l3m | pitchin_uk: error msg? |
| 23:22.50 | Phated | Ello, peterS. |
| 23:22.54 | Phated | Bye, peterS. :) |
| 23:22.57 | peterS | (: |
| 23:23.01 | Phated | Schoolschoolschool! |
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| 23:23.09 | pitchin_uk | i get i type startkde |
| 23:23.10 | l3m | pitchin_uk: and, no problem ;) |
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| 23:23.17 | Kupal[]_ | Hello Debian ! |
| 23:23.31 | Pbuns | what doe it mean when i try to run alsamixer and i get the error "alsamixer: function snd_ctl open failed for default: No such device" ?? |
| 23:23.35 | litage | i compiled a 2.6.14 kernel without initrd. when booting, the kernel panicked and said: VFS: Cannot open device "hda5" or unknown-block(0,0). ... Kernel panic: not syncing: VFS unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)". how can i fix this? the 2.6.14 entry in grub is exactly the same as the others (which work), except 2.6.14 doesn't have an initrd line |
| 23:23.36 | peterS | Phated: I'm leaving soon too, got stage makeup to apply for tonight's opening (: |
| 23:23.44 | Phated | peterS: Oooh. |
| 23:23.50 | pitchin_uk | it says xsetroot: unable to open display '' |
| 23:23.53 | bob2 | litage: missing ide/scsi driver |
| 23:23.59 | pitchin_uk | followed by |
| 23:23.59 | peterS | "Le nozze di Figaro", Mozart's really long opera |
| 23:24.08 | soymilk | Pbuns: your driver is not loaded |
| 23:24.10 | pitchin_uk | xset: uanable..... |
| 23:24.14 | bob2 | litage: well, ide, since it's hda, I guess |
| 23:24.17 | antgel | bob2: fucking grr. we've been wrestling with opengroupware for a year. we are now heading towards learning something else painfully. again, i say grr |
| 23:24.19 | Kupal[]_ | peterS: what production are you involved in? |
| 23:24.33 | bob2 | antgel: heh |
| 23:24.36 | pitchin_uk | blah blah... kwin: cannot connnect to x server |
| 23:24.38 | Kupal[]_ | peterS: I just sued, gotcha.. |
| 23:24.38 | peterS | Kupal[]_: I'm an extra in Mozart's _Le nozze di Figaro_ |
| 23:24.41 | Pbuns | soymilk, duh...guess i better run alsaconf |
| 23:24.46 | Phated | peterS: Sounds exciting. Break a lod! |
| 23:24.49 | Phated | leg, too. |
| 23:25.08 | peterS | hehe. I did, the other day, a chair leg, when I dropped the chair. fortunately it wasn't hard for them to repair |
| 23:25.18 | litage | bob2: i built the scsi and sata drivers in. checking ide.. |
| 23:25.18 | Kupal[]_ | peterS: I would love to go to such a thing, to bad Tampa is devoid of culture. |
| 23:25.23 | pitchin_uk | followed by scrolling lines of kpersonalizer: cannot connect to X server |
| 23:25.35 | bob2 | litage: should hda5 be your root filesystem? |
| 23:26.00 | peterS | Kupal[]_: this is just a university production - surely Tampa has colleges with fine arts deptartments, not that I've been there |
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| 23:26.07 | kornito | http was made for web pages, then it was extended to binaries and other types, right ? |
| 23:26.20 | Kupal[]_ | peterS: I will have to look into it.. |
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| 23:26.31 | litage | bob2: yes, cuz right now what's booting is a HD i took out of another machine just to figure out which drivers this new mobo needs =P |
| 23:26.32 | peterS | kornito: well, http is pretty agnostic about content type. it was always used for binaries - .gif files were served from the start |
| 23:26.35 | Kupal[]_ | peterS: but yeah.. were still pretty devoid of culture.. |
| 23:26.39 | pitchin_uk | l3m : did that make any sense |
| 23:26.39 | bhearsum | is there any debian alpha with the aic7xxx driver? |
| 23:26.40 | bob2 | kornito: every version of http I'm aware of could handle non-ascii data |
| 23:26.49 | bob2 | bhearsum: is that in 2.6.8.1? |
| 23:26.56 | bob2 | litage: ah, heh |
| 23:26.56 | bhearsum | bob2: this cd uses 2.4.27 |
| 23:27.03 | kornito | ok thanks |
| 23:27.14 | bob2 | bhearsum: the sarge alpha cds don't have an option for it? (ie linux26) |
| 23:27.26 | bob2 | kornito: wikipedia probably has more historical data if you're interested |
| 23:27.29 | chris99 | Can somebody tell me why cdda2wav has no SUID option like cdrecord? I wanted to grab an audio CD with "cdda2wav dev=1,0,0 -B" but I have to be root to do that. What's the difference to cdrecord in this case? |
| 23:27.36 | peterS | kornito: http *is* used these days for many things it was never originally designed for. but that's not a binary/ascii issue, it's other issues |
| 23:27.37 | litage | bob2: yeah =( just got 3 new Intel D945GNT mobos, and they use ICH7 for the southbridge which is only supported in 2.6.10+, and the NIC controller's even newer |
| 23:27.48 | pitchin_uk | l3m : but xfce works fine |
| 23:27.52 | bhearsum | debian-31r0a-alpha-netinst.iso is sarge ,correct? |
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| 23:27.58 | bob2 | chris99: does it work if you setuid it? |
| 23:28.00 | bob2 | bhearsum: yes |
| 23:28.04 | bhearsum | bob2: it uses 2.4.27 |
| 23:28.11 | kornito | how do u make a process terminal-independant ? you make it a child of init ? |
| 23:28.15 | bob2 | bhearsum: linux26 is not a boot option? |
| 23:28.15 | chris99 | bob2: it works with sudo. |
| 23:28.20 | bob2 | kornito: what process? |
| 23:28.24 | litage | bob2: is this the option that will build in ide drivers?: ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL support |
| 23:28.26 | rage_ | anyone here know what port the cypress_m8 usb <-> serial module uses by defualt? i can't get it to output anything.... |
| 23:28.30 | peterS | chris99: cdrecord needs to be root because it talks raw scsi to the bus. cdda2wav shouldn't need that, just put yourself in the 'cdrom' group so you have read access to /dev/cdrom |
| 23:28.34 | kornito | bob2: any process run from a command line |
| 23:28.41 | bob2 | chris99: oh, you mean why doesn't the package give you an option? good point. |
| 23:28.44 | rage_ | however, /dev/ttyUSB0 appears when it's loaded... |
| 23:28.45 | bhearsum | bob2: bob2 theres only one initrd and one vmlinuz on the cd |
| 23:28.46 | peterS | chris99: I don't use cdda2wav though, what I'm talking about here is cdparanoia, which doesn't require root |
| 23:28.48 | bhearsum | whoops |
| 23:28.51 | bob2 | kornito: depends what it is |
| 23:29.10 | bob2 | kornito: daemons generally fork themselves off into the background |
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| 23:29.22 | bob2 | kornito: other things can be run with programs like start-stop-daemon to emulate it |
| 23:29.25 | bob2 | bhearsum: ah, dang |
| 23:29.28 | chris99 | bob2: yes, cdrecord has an option. |
| 23:29.29 | bhearsum | bob2: yea =/ |
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| 23:29.46 | wang | anyone mind helping me set up fetchmail with gmail? |
| 23:29.51 | bob2 | litage: yes, and the correct option below that (for your specific chipset) |
| 23:29.59 | litage | thanks bob2 |
| 23:30.15 | bob2 | np |
| 23:30.16 | chris99 | peterS: /dev/cdrom is ATAPI here (and it's set to root:root, not root:cdrom). I use "1,0,0" (it's a SCSI device). |
| 23:30.27 | saboya | hello, anyone can help me with alsa and emu10k1? |
| 23:30.50 | chris99 | peterS: Sorry, /dev/cdrom is root:cdrom indeed. |
| 23:30.57 | l3m | pitchin_uk: ok i'm back |
| 23:30.57 | peterS | chris99: cdparanoia doesn't require those scsi bus addresses, just a device name, and one way or another it doesn't require root |
| 23:31.03 | kornito | bob2: in all cases you have to change the process's parent |
| 23:31.04 | l3m | sorry what was the kde error'? |
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| 23:31.15 | peterS | chris99: whether those two facts are related is more than I can say. I *do* need to be in the cdrom group, to access that device, of course |
| 23:31.19 | bob2 | saboya: best to just ask your question... |
| 23:31.22 | pitchin_uk | cannot connect to x server |
| 23:31.25 | l3m | pitchin_uk: ok i see |
| 23:31.30 | chris99 | peterS: I see. I think cdda2wav also support /dev/<somedevice>. Will check that. |
| 23:31.31 | bob2 | wang: fetchmailconf might be simpler tha editing the config file? |
| 23:31.44 | l3m | pitchin_uk: hmm anyway, i'd suggest you install kdm and then log in from there |
| 23:31.45 | pitchin_uk | unable to open display '' |
| 23:31.46 | peterS | chris99: also check on cdparanoia, which is generally considered a superior implementation anyway |
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| 23:31.53 | saboya | bob, im on a fresh debian install, the sound works but its OSS, id like to install alsa here... i have to download em compile the source? |
| 23:32.11 | saboya | another thing, i cant download alsa-utils from synaptic because of some crazy dependancy thing with udev |
| 23:32.20 | bob2 | saboya: you're using sid? |
| 23:32.36 | saboya | i dont know what sid is =P |
| 23:32.36 | kornito | bob2: in all cases you have to change the process's parent ? |
| 23:32.37 | bob2 | saboya: also, alsa with a sblive is a bit pointles unless you need alssa drivers specially |
| 23:32.47 | l3m | and if kdm doesn't start, it's an x error... which you can find with "tail -15 /var/log/XFreeSomething.log |
| 23:32.48 | bob2 | saboya: what version of debina re you using? |
| 23:32.55 | saboya | sarge. kernel 2.6 |
| 23:33.04 | bob2 | eh |
| 23:33.13 | l3m | saboya: 2.6 includes alsa already |
| 23:33.21 | bob2 | then I'd be very very surprised if alsa-utils was not installable |
| 23:33.24 | pitchin_uk | l3m : right have installed - reboot? |
| 23:33.27 | saboya | but, is it running already? i dont think so |
| 23:33.29 | bob2 | saboya: add 'emu10k1' to /etc/hotplg/blacklist |
| 23:33.34 | pitchin_uk | or startkdm ?? |
| 23:33.35 | l3m | pitchin_uk: yeah |
| 23:33.38 | saboya | hmm |
| 23:33.46 | l3m | pitchin_uk: try a reboot |
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| 23:34.15 | chris99 | peterS: The cdda2wav author (Jörg Schilling from Berlin, Germany) said that cdda2wav implements a better and more actual -paranoia option. This code was inherited from cdparanoia, so cdda2wav -paranoia should yield better results. That's only what I heard though. :-) |
| 23:34.23 | bob2 | haha |
| 23:34.38 | bob2 | joerge schilling is a little bit nuts |
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| 23:34.49 | peterS | chris99: shrug - could be true. but, what bob2 said. (: |
| 23:34.52 | chris99 | bob2: I know about that. :-) |
| 23:34.58 | chris99 | bob2: He really is. :-) |
| 23:35.19 | saboya | I added to the blacklist, now that should prevent it from hotplug running it right? now, what should I do? (im new to linux as you can see =P) |
| 23:35.36 | saboya | im trying to install alsa because I thought alsa was better than oss, but if its the same, ill just drop it |
| 23:35.41 | pitchin_uk | l3m: im not imatating the green aliens from toy story |
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| 23:35.54 | bob2 | saboya: it should load snd_emu10k1 (the sblive alsa module) maically when you reboot |
| 23:35.56 | peterS | chris99: he's got a history of blaming the Linux kernel scsi implementation for difficulties with cdrecord. so if cdda2wav doesn't work non-setuid but cdparanoia *does*, it wouldn't surprise me too much, and it also wouldn't surprise me if joerg did *not* consider this a significant limitation |
| 23:36.18 | l3m | pitchin_uk: lol |
| 23:36.26 | l3m | pitchin_uk: so did it work? |
| 23:36.36 | saboya | hehe ok |
| 23:36.37 | saboya | thanks |
| 23:36.44 | saboya | ill come back if I have any trouble |
| 23:36.48 | bob2 | but does it run on OPENSOLARIS with a SCSI DRIVE without setuid? |
| 23:36.54 | bob2 | saboya: np, good luck |
| 23:36.57 | pitchin_uk | yep first time |
| 23:37.07 | peterS | bob2: probably not, you're probably just supposed to be root any time you need to |
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| 23:37.41 | pitchin_uk | l3m : i like the look of kdm and kde |
| 23:37.46 | bob2 | it always bothered me that "finger" on solaris machines showed the admins logged in as root multiple times from multiple other machines and idle for days |
| 23:37.47 | pitchin_uk | very slick |
| 23:37.52 | chris99 | bob2: Maybe you have to use SCHILLIX (his own Open Solaris distribution) if you want it to run correctly. ;-) |
| 23:38.17 | l3m | pitchin_uk: me too ;) |
| 23:38.20 | peterS | bob2: ahh, probably a consequence of utmp having stale entries, because some login sessions didn't get cleaned up at logout |
| 23:38.29 | bob2 | chris99: haha |
| 23:38.34 | bob2 | peterS: ahhh |
| 23:38.37 | peterS | this is a difficult thing to get right, and some stuff in solaris historically didn't |
| 23:38.50 | bob2 | someone should fix it |
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| 23:38.52 | bob2 | and send in a patch |
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| 23:39.05 | bob2 | now that people can unfuck solaris for free |
| 23:39.13 | l3m | pitchin_uk: i'd suggest installing konversation as irc client, and kopete for instant messaging if you use that.. |
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| 23:39.13 | pitchin_uk | i notice i have kde 3.3.2 - is .3 available in debian?? |
| 23:39.14 | peterS | I don't know if it was ever fixed, but back in solaris 2.2 (famous for being very buggy in other respects too), these stale entries actually caused some other problems |
| 23:39.15 | mike_sol | hahaha yeah you'd have to pay me to unfuck solaris |
| 23:39.25 | chris99 | Ok, good night, guys! I'm tired. Will check that SUID thing tomorrow. Bye. |
| 23:39.30 | mike_sol | let's make one of the best unix kernels everywhere, and SURROUND IT WITH POO |
| 23:39.38 | l3m | pitchin_uk: 3.4 is in unstable, but you don't wanna deal with unstable... |
| 23:39.52 | peterS | an admin at my school wrote or found a utility "holywater" which cleaned up the utmp file - the name was because holy water kills ghosts |
| 23:40.18 | pitchin_uk | i agree |
| 23:40.19 | peterS | (still back in the solaris 2.2 days, I mean) |
| 23:40.33 | sparr | in DOS i can do alt+NNN to produce ascii character NNN, is there an equivalent in X? |
| 23:40.33 | Squarepants | why do i see greek responses in console while my .bashrc has LANG=en_US ? |
| 23:40.35 | bob2 | haha |
| 23:40.39 | antgel | ah, the hilarious world of unix command names. more, less, most. man date. |
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| 23:40.52 | mike_sol | most? |
| 23:41.05 | peterS | mike_sol: another pager to compete with more and less |
| 23:41.16 | pitchin_uk | l3m: yer i like konversation and kopete |
| 23:41.18 | peterS | mike_sol: I have never looked at it because less does pretty nearly everything I need |
| 23:41.29 | pitchin_uk | l3m : and amarok |
| 23:41.34 | sparr | someone should make 'none' |
| 23:41.39 | sparr | a pager that does nothing |
| 23:41.40 | l3m | pitchin_uk: kde3.4 is also in testing i see. if you're brave you might try that... but only for a desktop workstation, not for a server.. |
| 23:41.43 | peterS | it sometimes forgets to do my dishes, but for paging files, it's great |
| 23:42.00 | mike_sol | i use less myself, as i've always been a minimalist... but then that means less IS more |
| 23:42.12 | l3m | pitchin_uk: depends on what you want... |
| 23:42.17 | mike_sol | (actually on my system less is a symlink to more) |
| 23:42.22 | mike_sol | or, other way around |
| 23:42.25 | peterS | mike_sol: yeah, more is a lot more minimalist than less. the name 'less' was never intended to convey minimalism, just a simple pun |
| 23:42.36 | mike_sol | does most have anything cooler |
| 23:42.41 | peterS | dunno, try it |
| 23:42.48 | peterS | debian, of course, has it available as a package |
| 23:42.51 | mike_sol | too lazy |
| 23:43.09 | antgel | mike_sol: too lazy to tell you |
| 23:43.17 | mike_sol | less does most of what i need :D |
| 23:43.37 | bob2 | logging into old machines with only more is quite annoying |
| 23:43.38 | litage | bob2: i built in what i thought were the correct ide drivers, but the kernel still panics |
| 23:43.51 | bob2 | litage: maybe put your .conf up somewhere? |
| 23:43.54 | antgel | litage: why are you building a kernel? |
| 23:44.07 | pitchin_uk | l3m: not sure i follow? |
| 23:44.17 | mike_sol | bob2: i agree, you want to scroll up a page and there's no way its gonna let you. some machines let ctrl+b do it though in more |
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| 23:44.43 | bob2 | mike_sol: ah, I'll try that next time, thanks |
| 23:44.44 | l3m | pitchin_uk: well testing has a newer kde but it might hiccup sometimes... stable will forever stay with 3.3.2 but "it works" |
| 23:44.52 | bob2 | I usueally end up using cat + terminal scrolling |
| 23:44.55 | litage | antgel: because i have a very new mobo that requires specific kernel settings |
| 23:44.56 | c_olin | is an AthlonXP 3000+ a K7 chip? |
| 23:45.10 | mike_sol | c_olin, yes |
| 23:45.13 | c_olin | thanks |
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| 23:45.25 | l3m | pitchin_uk: testing as in "testing the packaging", the kde used is a "stable kde release" in testing as well as in stable |
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| 23:45.50 | antgel | litage: perhaps you chould copy a debian kernel config, do make oldconfig, add the modules you need, add --initrd to your make-kpkg line, and enjoy |
| 23:45.52 | fevel | how do I see hda´s size?? |
| 23:46.00 | antgel | fevel: open the box |
| 23:46.19 | l3m | fevel: fdisk -l |
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| 23:46.34 | litage | antgel: i can't use initrd because 2.6.14+initrd requires yaird, but yaird isn't in sarge. besides, there's no reason to use initrd, is there? |
| 23:46.34 | mike_sol | litage, don't let these guys scare you, you can build a kernel without any of the scary kpkg stuff |
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| 23:46.42 | fevel | antgel: I dont do hardware, and besides...I know its 80 gb but I want to check because i think its broken |
| 23:46.50 | antgel | mike_sol: please don't do that |
| 23:46.52 | pitchin_uk | l3m : im happy with stable. heres a real question for you though!! |
| 23:46.57 | jades | bob2, which language do you prefer, python or perl? |
| 23:47.06 | mike_sol | what, just build the IDE in statically and make modules for the rest |
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| 23:47.08 | mike_sol | works great |
| 23:47.11 | antgel | fevel: it was a bad joke. man df |
| 23:47.13 | bob2 | jades: python |
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| 23:47.23 | l3m | bob2: yay, correct answer ;) |
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| 23:47.40 | fevel | antgel: isnt there a command that would list that? |
| 23:47.44 | antgel | mike_sol: and how is that better than using the infrastructure that debian so kindly provided? |
| 23:47.47 | l3m | fevel: fdisk -l |
| 23:47.56 | antgel | fevel: MAN DF |
| 23:47.58 | bob2 | tho I've mostly forgotten what perl I knew |
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| 23:48.04 | antgel | er, in lower case |
| 23:48.05 | bob2 | maybe I'd like it more if I knew it better again |
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| 23:48.17 | jades | bob2, interesting bec Quozl says the same thing. |
| 23:48.18 | bob2 | that said, python is better than life itself |
| 23:48.19 | mike_sol | antgel, it fits more easily in my feeble head first of all, and second of all i can make it as minimal as possible that way |
| 23:48.37 | mike_sol | enable config.gz in /proc and the kernel brings its config with it |
| 23:49.01 | sparr | I have a font that is not picked up by fontconfig. I can use it as 'xterm -fn fontname'. Is there a GUI text editor that can use a font like this? Is there a charmap-ish program too? |
| 23:49.11 | antgel | mike_sol: (1) is irrelevant. please don't force us all down to your LCD. (2) how is that more minimal? |
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| 23:49.14 | l3m | mike_sol: a minimal kernel can be created painfully with standard tools or easily with make-kpkg ;) |
| 23:49.14 | fevel | thanks l3m |
| 23:49.22 | l3m | pitchin_uk: yes? |
| 23:49.32 | l3m | pitchin_uk: you wanted to ask something? ;) |
| 23:49.38 | Reptile4 | I'm running Debian etch, and I've just noticed my drive keeps filling up. I keep getting logs of "BANDWIDTH_IN:IN=ppp0 OUT=eth0 SRC=198.163.216.60 DST=192.168.1.3 LEN=78 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=54 ID=55462 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=7000 DPT=4242 WINDOW=65535 RES=0x00 ACK PSH URGP=0 |
| 23:49.40 | pitchin_uk | l3m : suse is my previous distro... and is currently set on my 180gb hdd. debian is on my test hdd (40gb) if i set the pc to boot into debian and have the other drive attached will it see the suse partition and enable me to copy the stuff over |
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| 23:49.43 | Reptile4 | ewps sorry |
| 23:49.44 | mike_sol | alright, fine. but i've built kernels this way for a long time, and i'll keep doing it until it means switching distros, alright |
| 23:49.52 | Manny | Anyone here know how to solve debian 3.1r0a AMD64 CD-ROM detection problem? |
| 23:50.01 | l3m | pitchin_uk: yes you can mount the other hd |
| 23:50.03 | Reptile4 | I'm running Debian etch, and I've just noticed my drive keeps filling up. I keep getting logs of "BANDWIDTH_IN:IN=ppp0 OUT=eth0 SRC=198.163.216.60 DST=192.168.1.3 LEN=78 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=54 ID=55462 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=7000 DPT=4242 WINDOW=65535 RES=0x00 ACK PSH URGP=0" in my syslog/daemon/kern file... Is there a way I can turn off logging of this? Just kinda ignore it and not show it on the screen? |
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| 23:50.06 | antgel | mike_sol: what you need is slackware |
| 23:50.08 | bob2 | Reptile4: looks a lot like your firewall is configured to log things |
| 23:50.12 | Reptile4 | mmm |
| 23:50.17 | markybob | Reptile4, really dont have to repeat yourself |
| 23:50.18 | bob2 | Manny: #debian-mad64 might know more |
| 23:50.21 | Tortel | !repeat |
| 23:50.21 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 23:50.25 | mike_sol | antgel, i do everything else the debian way... apt this, debconf that. but the kernel is mine to fuck with. |
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| 23:50.43 | Manny | I have a problem getting the DVd installed |
| 23:50.46 | l3m | pitchin_uk: and then you can browse the other hd like you can browse the small one now |
| 23:50.55 | antgel | mike_sol: at least you made your life 98% easy :) |
| 23:51.05 | buns | I just installed the official ati drivers and they run x just fine |
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| 23:51.09 | Manny | Balks on detecting the CD-ROM |
| 23:51.14 | markybob | Manny, go to #debian-amd64 |
| 23:51.18 | l3m | Reptile4: do you use kmyfirewall? |
| 23:51.22 | litage | bob2: config: http://paste.debian.net/2732 |
| 23:51.23 | Manny | OK |
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| 23:51.32 | pitchin_uk | l3m: my aim is to then wipe the suse disk and set debian across th two disks |
| 23:51.33 | buns | I just installed the official ati drivers and they run x just fine but the 3d acceleration doesn't work.. What could be the problem? |
| 23:51.37 | mike_sol | yeah, like i said, ill do it this way until i HAVE to use kpkg. i didn't know the sentiment leaned so far that way these days, it didn't always. i'll keep my thoughts on it out of here since that's the case. sorry |
| 23:51.47 | Manny | Thanks :-) |
| 23:52.04 | Reptile4 | l3m: no i don't use kmyfirewall.. And What exactly would I be looking for to see if it's logging (I mean I don't doubt it isn't, it sure is!!!) I'm looking at my rules now, but I don't see anything specically telling to to log? |
| 23:52.11 | antgel | buns: ask the vendor |
| 23:52.19 | l3m | pitchin_uk: well if you don't need any data from the suse disk just reformat it. |
| 23:52.19 | markybob | mike_sol, last i checked there still is freedom of speech in freenode.net ;) |
| 23:52.26 | Gnea | Manny: what kind of system? laptop or otherwise? |
| 23:52.37 | mike_sol | buns, paste the output of 'glxinfo' into #flood |
| 23:52.40 | Tortel | !freedom |
| 23:52.41 | dpkg | freedom is probably the ultimate virtue. Without freedom we are no better than any other animal. I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees. |
| 23:52.42 | antgel | Reptile4: are you using iptables direct? |
| 23:52.48 | buns | mike_sol ok |
| 23:52.50 | l3m | Reptile4: hmm dunno, i'm not a firewall expert, i just used kmyfirewall and it also spammed everywhere ... |
| 23:53.01 | enveezee | its only 43degF and I am freezing I went out with a longsleeve shirt and two longsleeve hooded coats.. I dont know wtf I am gonna do when winter comes.. Texas got me cissified.. anything under 74degF is fuckin cold to me now |
| 23:53.08 | l3m | pitchin_uk: just mount the disk, it's not too hard |
| 23:53.14 | Ronin | enveezee: wimp |
| 23:53.18 | pitchin_uk | l3m : id like to move the data over first - its only part of my $HOME i want in any case |
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| 23:53.22 | l3m | pitchin_uk: fdisk -l will list all the disks and partitions |
| 23:53.23 | EdibleText | enveezee, wool union-suit |
| 23:53.24 | markybob | enveezee, i'm a brazilian living in chicago. i know the feeling. |
| 23:53.30 | thingfish | that's not a very good freedom factoid. |
| 23:53.35 | buns | mike_sol, wait, where do i find the output... I just know it doesn't work right because cedega told me and also tuxracer is laggy |
| 23:53.39 | l3m | pitchin_uk: then edit /etc/fstab and then "mount -a" |
| 23:53.39 | markybob | thingfish, change it, then. |
| 23:53.45 | Reptile4 | antgel: I'm just using basically a slightly modified rp-pppoe firewall-masq script |
| 23:53.46 | enveezee | the other fucked up thing is I was only like 130lbs in Texas, I am about 190lbs now |
| 23:53.47 | thingfish | viva brasileiros! |
| 23:53.49 | mike_sol | buns, it outputs at the console |
| 23:53.50 | antgel | thingfish: you have the freedom to change it |
| 23:53.51 | l3m | pitchin_uk: and you should be able to access the data on that hd |
| 23:53.52 | bob2 | litage: can't see anything obviously missing; maybe try enabling all the IDE devices and see if that boots? |
| 23:53.54 | markybob | thingfish, heh :) |
| 23:53.54 | thingfish | ok, markybob |
| 23:53.57 | enveezee | you'd think I could stand more cold weather now |
| 23:54.05 | buns | ok.. i'll do it |
| 23:54.08 | antgel | Reptile4: oh, that old chestnut. grep for LOG |
| 23:54.23 | thingfish | enveezee: did you get some sleep today, I hope? |
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| 23:54.33 | bob2 | anyway, -> real work |
| 23:54.38 | Ronin | enveezee: ive lived my whole life in canada, i still hate the cold and winter |
| 23:54.46 | enveezee | thingfish: about 7 hours. I am going back to sleep shortly I think I am still tired |
| 23:54.50 | Tortel | !work |
| 23:54.50 | dpkg | somebody said work was a great place to play network games like Quake against your friends..... an improper way of saying funzionirt! Work at what? Do the dishes? Clean your room?, or see play =-) |
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| 23:55.10 | thingfish | enveezee: you probably went to bed too soon after eating. |
| 23:55.12 | Reptile4 | antgel: the only line on that file with LOG has a # in front of it.. which means it's disabled |
| 23:55.16 | Reptile4 | doesn't it? |
| 23:55.16 | enveezee | thingfish: I was going to wake up at 16:00 and I slept through that alarm I setup with sanduhr until 18:00 |
| 23:55.29 | enveezee | thingfish: what has that got to do with anything? |
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| 23:55.56 | buns | mike_sol, dude, i dont get any output at all |
| 23:56.04 | thingfish | hehe I don't know, well, I mean if your stomach is trying to digest food, it pulls blood away from your brain which means you can't sleep soundly. |
| 23:56.06 | Gnea | hrm |
| 23:56.07 | mike_sol | buns so you type `glxinfo` into an xterm and nothing happens |
| 23:56.10 | antgel | Reptile4: indeed. you could try flushing the rulse and reloading the file. it's coming from *somewhere*. iptables doesn't LOG by default |
| 23:56.21 | buns | oh ok |
| 23:56.24 | meinert- | hello, I'm searching for the *X.org SDK*. Whats the name of the Debian package containing this? |
| 23:56.28 | mike_sol | what _were_ you doing? :D |
| 23:56.41 | thingfish | why does all the damn alcohol float to the top of a drink, dammit. |
| 23:56.44 | enveezee | thingfish: oh I was sleeping very soundly.. I had sanduhr playing loud music for two hours and didnt wake up |
| 23:56.56 | buns | mike_sol, ok its in flood |
| 23:56.57 | Gnea | ok so i've got this usb dvd writer, and when i plug it in, i can burn a few dvds with it, but eventually it craps out almost kernel panicing if plugged back in |
| 23:56.58 | repp_ | Start->Run glxinfo ;) |
| 23:56.59 | thingfish | oh wow ok |
| 23:57.07 | litage | bob2: the ide devices are under this section?: # Parallel IDE high-level drivers |
| 23:57.07 | mike_sol | buns no its not |
| 23:57.10 | Gnea | kernel BUG at mm/slab.c:1382! |
| 23:57.10 | Gnea | invalid operand: 0000 [#1] |
| 23:57.16 | pitchin_uk | l3m : step one complete im in debian!! |
| 23:57.18 | Gnea | obviously a kernel issue - but 2.6.8 in sarge |
| 23:57.24 | enveezee | sanduhr is a cool little program. I like it. |
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| 23:57.26 | buns | i type exec glxinfo right? |
| 23:57.32 | buns | with the / of course |
| 23:57.47 | bob2 | litage: no, but you probably wan them to be Y, too, now I think of it |
| 23:57.47 | mike_sol | you could copy and paste |
| 23:57.54 | Gnea | buns: /exec -o glxinfo (in #flood) |
| 23:57.54 | buns | i'll try |
| 23:57.59 | buns | k |
| 23:58.02 | litage | bob2: which section are the ide drivers under? |
| 23:58.10 | bob2 | um |
| 23:58.16 | bob2 | I haven't configured a kernel in like a year |
| 23:58.20 | thingfish | you know, pot dealers should be required by law to always keep at least a half on hand for their regulars. |
| 23:58.21 | Gnea | heh |
| 23:58.25 | litage | hahha |
| 23:58.25 | bob2 | block -> RLL/IDE, maybe? |
| 23:58.25 | Gnea | i configure them in my sleep |
| 23:58.27 | mike_sol | thingfish, :D |
| 23:58.32 | l3m | pitchin_uk: ok. now run fdisk -l and remember the partition and filesystem of suse |
| 23:58.32 | enveezee | litage: block IDE |
| 23:58.36 | litage | thanks |
| 23:58.54 | mike_sol | ok buns you don't have direct rendering and you're doing your opengl in software |
| 23:59.01 | bob2 | my fingers know how to run menuconfig with my eyes closed, but apparently I kept my eyes closed instead of reading the labels |
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| 23:59.03 | Gnea | bob2: it was doing this before with the stock 2.6.8 kernel, so i reconfigured/recompiled - i'm thinking it's specific to 2.6.8, and/or due to a pair of dual-core cpu's |
| 23:59.22 | bob2 | thingfish: a half ounce is a pretty hefty emergency supply |
| 23:59.23 | Gnea | bob2: but i'm going to have to do *something* about it very soon. |
| 23:59.23 | RichiH | is there anything like whois that will return error codes when it does not find an entry? |
| 23:59.26 | pitchin_uk | whats was the fdisk command |
| 23:59.36 | bob2 | like, "omg 300 people rocked up at my house and all want a bong" |
| 23:59.42 | thingfish | bob2: well, I'm a serious smoker maybe. |
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| 23:59.47 | enveezee | bob2: thats funny. the fact that the kernel developers argue on a regular basis about the grouping and order of things, and often changes them doesnt throw them off? |
| 23:59.49 | phaedral | hi all |
| 23:59.52 | buns | mike_sol, how about that? |
| 23:59.52 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:59.54 | buns | mike_sol, is there a way to tell it to hardware render? |
