| 00:00.04 | black | how the line must be? |
| 00:00.07 | UserSTD | sda1 or sdb1 |
| 00:00.08 | GubbleBum | black: "/dev/sda1 /media/usb vfat users,auto,umask=000 0 0" |
| 00:00.25 | GubbleBum | black: That is my line...so I just type "mount /media/usb" and my thumbdrive gets mounted. |
| 00:00.28 | kingsley | GubbleBum: Do you know how to test festival with the following simple command? echo hello world | festival -b --tts |
| 00:00.31 | tarzeau | mamar: you need a sponsor if you want the package in debian |
| 00:00.37 | GubbleBum | kingsley: yes |
| 00:00.41 | tarzeau | mamar: for just making the debian package you don't need anything |
| 00:01.06 | mamar | But if I want to offer it to sid, i need it right ? |
| 00:01.20 | black | I think I need to load some modules |
| 00:01.34 | black | or makes some apt-get install |
| 00:01.37 | tarzeau | mamar: a sponsor, yes |
| 00:01.53 | GubbleBum | black: unlikely. |
| 00:02.04 | tarzeau | mamar: the chances to find one gets high, if you have the packages on a url ready to check, and they are lintian clean and work |
| 00:02.05 | mamar | I saw skim package is free for adoption |
| 00:02.13 | GubbleBum | black: Doens't matter what usb thumb drive you have...they're all the same mass storage. |
| 00:02.13 | GubbleBum | black: lsmod|grep -i usb |
| 00:02.16 | tarzeau | mamar: did you check if skim was not yet itp'd by someone else? |
| 00:02.54 | tarzeau | mamar: then did you reply to it that you would like to maintain it? |
| 00:02.54 | mamar | Yes, I've checked it |
| 00:02.55 | black | usb-ohci and usbcore |
| 00:03.14 | mamar | No yet, because I under sarge, so I guess I have to upgrade to sid, right ? |
| 00:03.23 | mamar | I am under sarge |
| 00:03.47 | tarzeau | mamar: or you can do it in a chroot |
| 00:04.03 | thingfish | man I think I'm the only debian user that just uses sarge. |
| 00:04.12 | tarzeau | thingfish: heh ;) |
| 00:04.16 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:04.25 | GubbleBum | black: Did you add that line to /etc/fstab? |
| 00:04.26 | black | GubbleBum: that command return me this two modules: usb-ohci and usbcore |
| 00:04.32 | black | shes |
| 00:04.34 | black | yes |
| 00:04.41 | GubbleBum | black: Does the directory /media/usb exist? |
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| 00:04.56 | mamar | tarzeau, doesn't mean I will use pbuilder or something else instead of debhelper ? |
| 00:05.15 | black | yes |
| 00:05.24 | black | mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device |
| 00:05.27 | mattpj | i need sources lists where can i find a source list? like the ones debian uses i lost mine |
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| 00:05.29 | GubbleBum | black: pop in your thumb drive and as root type "mount /media/usb" |
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| 00:05.36 | GubbleBum | black: Does mount give you an error? |
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| 00:05.41 | black | I am doing that |
| 00:05.52 | black | yes, the error is: "mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device" |
| 00:06.25 | tarzeau | mamar: dunno, i find it easier to just use sid |
| 00:06.50 | mattpj | i need the ropositories of mary rose |
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| 00:07.07 | black | GubbleBum: the error is: "mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device |
| 00:07.34 | mamar | I am not familliar at all with chrooted environnement, (I can't afford to have broken package while I work so I thought about a quite piggy solution : having both sarge and sid) |
| 00:07.38 | phanter | is there a gui tool for wirelesscard for xfce? |
| 00:07.47 | mattpj | i mean reposotories for apt-get |
| 00:08.04 | mattpj | i need source lists |
| 00:08.06 | fbi | mattpj: apt-setup |
| 00:08.22 | mattpj | command not found |
| 00:08.26 | mattpj | just give me source list pls |
| 00:08.27 | fbi | as root. |
| 00:08.28 | thingfish | hehe mary rose...were you thinking of an old girlfriend from catholic school days? |
| 00:08.29 | mattpj | its not hard |
| 00:08.31 | mattpj | i ask little |
| 00:08.32 | tarzeau | mamar: just upgrade to sid |
| 00:08.46 | tarzeau | mattpj: telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 00:09.02 | black | GubbleBum: another solution? |
| 00:09.23 | mattpj | telnet linuks.mine.nu wtf is that |
| 00:09.29 | mamar | Ok tarzeau, I guess it is the only viable solution ^^; |
| 00:09.36 | tarzeau | mattpj: 01:08 < mattpj> just give me source list pls |
| 00:09.53 | mattpj | i never seen that source list before |
| 00:09.59 | tarzeau | mattpj: it's just my sources.list |
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| 00:10.13 | tarzeau | mattpj: you must type this command in a shell to get it |
| 00:10.17 | mattpj | is it for debian not some ubuntu or some crap |
| 00:10.42 | mamar | Well, thank you for your help. I will ask for a mentor. |
| 00:10.47 | tarzeau | OMG recite is awful |
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| 00:11.14 | fbi | mattpj: why don't you just generate your own, using a mirror closest to you, with one command. |
| 00:11.37 | zerve_the_death | how can we have mix etch and sid? |
| 00:12.08 | cheal | !tell zerve_the_death about esm |
| 00:12.14 | cheal | doh |
| 00:12.19 | tarzeau | but really recite -Write_Phonemes is very funny |
| 00:12.31 | mattpj | fbi ok then tell me the reason why is i dont have the repository i need cuz i need a bit torrent |
| 00:12.34 | cheal | !quick etch/sid mix |
| 00:12.35 | dpkg | quick etch/sid mix is probably echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, open sources.list, duplicate your etch lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update, apt-get -t unstable install foo to install foo from sid rather than etch, or this will probably break if packages from unstable are compiled with gcc 4 and packages in etch aren't. |
| 00:12.47 | fbi | mattpj: as root. type "apt-setup". |
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| 00:12.56 | fbi | pick a mirror. |
| 00:13.05 | kingsley | GubbleBum: Does the following command find anything? find /usr/lib/festival/voices |
| 00:13.30 | mattpj | fbi i tried nothing |
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| 00:13.40 | ram_ | where can I find autofs.deb package for Debian 3.0. any idea? |
| 00:13.43 | fbi | mattpj: when you aren't running debian. |
| 00:13.50 | mattpj | im running debian |
| 00:13.52 | fbi | s/when/then/ |
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| 00:14.14 | loxley_ | mattpj: if you were then you would suceed with that command |
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| 00:14.29 | cheal | dpkg: esm is <reply> see quick etch/sid mix |
| 00:14.29 | dpkg | cheal: okay |
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| 00:17.17 | jscr | hi |
| 00:17.41 | phanter | oke, I think I made the ipw2200 driver, but how can I load this module into the kernel? |
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| 00:17.59 | jscr | can someone give his lines in the sources.list file for a inestable distribution? |
| 00:18.03 | liable | modprobe |
| 00:18.04 | jscr | please |
| 00:18.17 | liable | inestable? |
| 00:18.25 | jscr | sorry it's spanish |
| 00:18.28 | jscr | unstbale |
| 00:18.30 | jscr | unstable |
| 00:18.31 | kingsley | ram_: Have you tried : apt-get install autofs |
| 00:18.47 | phanter | oke and then my wireless driver should be laoded as a module. How can I bring it up and running? |
| 00:19.07 | liable | jscr: just change sarge or stable, to unstable in your's. |
| 00:19.11 | cheal | jscr: what are you trying to do? |
| 00:19.21 | liable | phanter: man iwconfig |
| 00:19.31 | CAiRO | where can i get a list of 3d graphic cards with open source drivers? |
| 00:19.31 | jscr | i think i dont have all the packages |
| 00:19.32 | liable | phanter: also ifconfig |
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| 00:19.49 | jscr | and i can't get non-US packages |
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| 00:19.59 | cheal | jscr: non-US exists no more since sarge |
| 00:20.18 | jscr | that meant sid have no non-US packages? |
| 00:20.23 | loxley_ | CAiRO: go for a nvidia or ati card.. |
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| 00:20.27 | cheal | jscr: yes |
| 00:20.28 | jscr | sorry my english not too god |
| 00:20.32 | jscr | ok thanks |
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| 00:20.53 | cheal | loxley_: huh |
| 00:20.54 | phanter | liable, yes, but that only gives me info. I remember something like ifup ath0... but this command does not work :( |
| 00:20.59 | loxley_ | or ? :) |
| 00:21.00 | CAiRO | loxley_: i thought those had binary only drivers which are closed source.. am i wrong? |
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| 00:21.15 | loxley_ | ohhw hell, yeah :) |
| 00:21.22 | loxley_ | my mistake :) |
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| 00:21.22 | cheal | CAiRO: some old ATI cards have free drivers supporting 3D acceleration |
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| 00:21.25 | liable | phanter: /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/interfaces.gz |
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| 00:22.00 | liable | phanter: it doesnt just give you info, you use it to set parameters, as the man page explains.. |
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| 00:22.21 | cheal | CAiRO: man radeon would tell you about that part. otherwise #xorg may know better |
| 00:23.19 | kingsley | The latest versions of my experimental reports on profanity and bans on #debian are at http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc |
| 00:23.44 | loxley_ | i guess i've turned blind by using the nvidia driver, .. works like a charm :) |
| 00:23.53 | thingfish | it does for me. |
| 00:24.20 | thingfish | kingsley: why are you so against profanity? |
| 00:24.45 | thingfish | kingsley: if you don't mind my asking. |
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| 00:25.07 | thingfish | I mean, I'm not *for* profanity, but sometimes it sort of fits the bill. |
| 00:25.30 | thingfish | now banning for no reason, sure, anyone's against that. |
| 00:25.44 | thingfish | if that has in fact happened. |
| 00:26.01 | kingsley | thingfish: I'm more interested in just reporting the facts. |
| 00:26.21 | thingfish | ...do you really expect me to believe that? You have an agenda, certainly. |
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| 00:28.32 | diana | What is a good program for making lists/tables like in excel |
| 00:29.06 | kingsley | thingfish: It seems to me that #debian is a valuable public resource, and my experimental reports can give insight into how well it's working. |
| 00:29.12 | vulture | diana: OpenOffice.org, Gnumeric, etc.. |
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| 00:29.57 | markybob | kingsley, there are 729 people in here. if it wasnt working, you can bet the number would be a lot less. that has nothing to do with the amount of profanity or bans that go on in here |
| 00:30.06 | thingfish | kingsley: hey, I'm for whatever makes #debian a better place. It's just that I want to know to which group's set of standards we're going to be held to. |
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| 00:30.52 | thingfish | well, personally, and I could certainly be wrong, but I suspect kingsley is a fundamentalist evangelical christian. |
| 00:30.55 | markybob | kingsley, besides, you dont think having dpkg listed in the profanity list is a bit silly, at the very least? he's not human for crying out loud |
| 00:31.12 | markybob | why put a bot on a list of profanities? |
| 00:31.20 | markybob | bot's going to hell. fuck. |
| 00:31.22 | thingfish | who, like so many of his kind, want to enforce their version of morality on the rest of us. |
| 00:31.36 | kingsley | markybob: I just report the facts. |
| 00:31.48 | thingfish | yes...we've heard that one. |
| 00:31.50 | SimonRaven | morality, vs. ethics... |
| 00:31.51 | markybob | kingsley, you havent answered the question of *why* |
| 00:31.58 | markybob | kingsley, why the report? it's purpose? |
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| 00:32.13 | deadcat | just sold my airport 802.11b card for $80. damn so many people replied. crazy. the last one i sold was $65. next time i will try $90 hehe |
| 00:32.26 | markybob | deadcat, nicely done :) |
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| 00:32.38 | thingfish | now see, if he were really honestly concerned, there would be no evasiveness, no attempt to evade direct questions. |
| 00:32.41 | markybob | kingsley, i'd respectfully like an answer |
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| 00:33.02 | deadcat | markybob: ya. hella nice if you know how $ i paid for the card and more |
| 00:33.23 | markybob | deadcat, i heard you talking about it a couple of days ago, but cant remember. what was it? $25? |
| 00:33.30 | deadcat | $5 |
| 00:33.31 | deadcat | (= |
| 00:33.33 | markybob | heh |
| 00:33.38 | kingsley | markybob: At the risk of repeating myself, it seems to me that #debian is a valuable public resource, and my experimental reports can give insight into its so called "temperature", its bans and in general, how well it's working. |
| 00:33.40 | SimonRaven | kingsley: if you have nothing to hide, then spit it out |
| 00:33.46 | SimonRaven | else we have our answer |
| 00:33.55 | thingfish | ok, well, we have our answer. |
| 00:34.01 | markybob | seems like it. |
| 00:34.55 | thingfish | anyway... |
| 00:34.57 | markybob | next thing you know....front page of slashdot..."This just in, #debian is filled with satanists. They may help you fix your computer, but your soul will be in danger. The cursing and bans are simply out of this world, literally (hell)" |
| 00:35.05 | thingfish | hehehe |
| 00:35.26 | Gnea | hrm |
| 00:35.33 | Gnea | now that would be funny |
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| 00:35.36 | markybob | of course he'll back it up with detailed logs people who didnt know they were being spied on |
| 00:35.40 | loxley_ | or it will encourage people to start swearing like hell in here to be #1 :) |
| 00:35.41 | deadcat | anyone know what channel is USC vs Cal? |
| 00:35.49 | Gnea | of course, it would be dead-wrong |
| 00:35.53 | thingfish | well see, that's the problem, his type thinks that you're only christian if you believe exactly as he/she does. |
| 00:36.00 | thingfish | *his/her |
| 00:36.01 | cheal | loxley_: hey, don't sell the idea |
| 00:36.03 | markybob | how's that for morality? spying on people and logging them without them knowing that you're using it to bash them? |
| 00:36.06 | loxley_ | crap :) |
| 00:36.07 | cheal | I wanna be first :) |
| 00:36.14 | Gnea | but so many people believe lies and rumors as it is |
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| 00:36.43 | kingsley | thingfish: I'm an atheist. |
| 00:36.59 | thingfish | no way. |
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| 00:37.16 | markybob | "just reporting the facts." we know. still no idea why, but i guess we'll just let it rest |
| 00:37.34 | kingsley | markybob: Would you prefer that the reports obscured nicks? |
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| 00:38.26 | markybob | kingsley, if you must do a report, then yes, i think the people of this channel would want that |
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| 00:38.48 | Gnea | kingsley: interesting site. what is the purpose of the report and for whome are you making it? |
| 00:38.58 | deadcat | is this right? "do you mind" or "do you mine" ? (= |
| 00:39.08 | deadcat | i say mind |
| 00:39.10 | markybob | mind |
| 00:39.12 | Gnea | kingsley: it's bad enough that you obscured profanity, rather than nicknames |
| 00:39.13 | deadcat | k |
| 00:39.26 | markybob | Gnea, that's a good point. that's pretty fucking hilarious |
| 00:39.43 | markybob | yeah, see, now i'm in the cursing mood. sigh. |
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| 00:39.52 | Gnea | markybob: not only is it hilarious but it's quite invasive - i wonder if lilo commissioned him to do it. |
| 00:39.59 | kingsley | Gnea: Thank you for your kind words. At the risk of repeating myself, it seems to me that #debian is a valuable public resource, and my experimental reports can give insight into its so called "temperature", its bans ,and in general, how well it's working. It's for the public. |
| 00:40.00 | markybob | ha! |
| 00:40.32 | kingsley | Gnea: Would you also prefer that nicks are obscured? |
| 00:40.41 | thingfish | trouble is, it's all according to your set of standards! |
| 00:40.49 | deadcat | markybob: now this guy who asked to buy my airport card now asking for the base station. i just want him to know there is NO airport card inside. just an orinoco card replacement hehehe |
| 00:41.11 | zerve_the_death | thanks |
| 00:41.22 | markybob | deadcat, heh. you're ebaying all this stuff? |
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| 00:41.27 | michael1 | It seems to me that Kingsley is a program that is designed to pass the turing test. |
| 00:41.40 | michael1 | A bot, in other words. |
| 00:41.42 | black | somebody can help me to mount my usb storage? |
| 00:41.43 | Gnea | kingsley: that's the third time you've mentioned that. mentioning it over and over only makes you look bad, not good. |
| 00:41.45 | kingsley | michael1: heh. |
| 00:41.47 | black | I am on debian sarge |
| 00:41.49 | michael1 | Shall we dance? |
| 00:41.51 | deadcat | markybob: no. locally. so i want him to be sure hes NOT getting an airport card inside. i dont want him to come after me like a wolf (= |
| 00:42.00 | markybob | heh :) |
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| 00:42.12 | michael1 | Kingsley: What is the sin(45 degrees)? |
| 00:42.17 | Gnea | kingsley: you haven't answered my questions, thus i shall not answer yours. |
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| 00:42.38 | michael1 | Gnea: don't argue with a bot. It's not becoming. |
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| 00:42.39 | lightbright | I installed unrar, and it said: Note, selecting unrar-nonfree instead of unrar. Whats this mean? Is this unrar version shareware or something? |
| 00:42.45 | kingsley | michael1: If I recall correctly, 0.707. But I'd have to check to be sure. |
| 00:42.52 | black | 0,707105781... |
| 00:42.57 | Gumby | does anyhere here know if make-kpkg kernel_image does a make clean on the kernel sources dir before it compiles modules? Or will it just remake changes to modules I have edited? |
| 00:43.11 | michael1 | Okay, Kingsley. what is the classification of a number like .707? |
| 00:43.19 | black | I need help to mount my usb |
| 00:43.24 | black | somebody can help me please? |
| 00:43.51 | Gnea | !tell black about ask |
| 00:43.59 | thingfish | hey kingsley, does your report count getting pinched? |
| 00:44.08 | gnufan | Gumby, I think it doesn't do a clean, but that doesn't mean it may not redo more than you would like .... |
| 00:44.12 | black | Gnea: I have installed debian |
| 00:44.19 | kingsley | thingfish: What's "pinched"? |
| 00:44.20 | black | know I want to mount my usb |
| 00:44.26 | black | what I need? |
| 00:44.31 | thingfish | kingsley: what's your native language? |
| 00:44.45 | kingsley | thingfish: American. |
| 00:44.51 | Gnea | kingsley: where do you live? |
| 00:44.57 | thingfish | ... |
| 00:45.09 | thingfish | why does this always happen to me. |
| 00:45.25 | kingsley | Gnea: I was raised near New York City and now live on the west coast of the States. |
| 00:45.28 | Gumby | gnufan: judging by the speed its going, its doing "just enough" |
| 00:45.31 | Gnea | kingsley: what species are you? |
| 00:45.33 | markybob | Gnea, washington |
| 00:45.33 | liable | haha |
| 00:45.45 | thingfish | kingsley: you been breathin' too much of that california sea air. |
| 00:45.49 | Gnea | markybob: you are kingsley?! |
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| 00:46.05 | Gnea | kingsley: american is a language? |
| 00:46.08 | markybob | Gnea, i didnt expect him to give a real answer since he hasnt answered anything else |
| 00:46.15 | thingfish | yeah, I noticed that too, Gnea. |
| 00:46.31 | thingfish | anyway, whatever, getting boring... |
| 00:46.41 | markybob | agreed |
| 00:47.15 | gnufan | Gumby, my other computer just failed building a kernel again... I'm abandoning trying to solve the bug affecting it for the weekend. Linus and friends should exercise better control on the C code they write, then the compiler might have a sporting chance with old kernels. |
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| 00:47.59 | dli_ | gnufan, have you tried another version of gcc? |
| 00:48.00 | thingfish | dpkg, do you know how to make an old fashioned? |
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| 00:48.07 | michael1 | The way a bot would work, it would look up answers on the internet. It would especially remember common answers to common questions. But if you ask it a wide open question that is unusual, it might have trouble, and ignore your question. |
| 00:48.24 | thingfish | <sigh> that dpkg really needs to bone up on its bartending skills. |
| 00:48.46 | michael1 | The way a psychologist would work, he would stay out and just watch what was going on. That way, he would affect the studied system as little as possible. |
| 00:49.02 | markybob | yeah, but he has an agenda |
| 00:49.11 | thingfish | insightful, michael1 |
| 00:49.24 | thingfish | yeppers, markybob, a big one if you ask me. |
| 00:49.28 | michael1 | The way an agenda would work, is he would stick his finger in the wind, ... |
| 00:49.31 | thingfish | anyway, FUCK HIM. |
| 00:49.37 | thingfish | oops sorry |
| 00:49.38 | harleyg | http://linuxlabs.co.uk/vote/ |
| 00:49.44 | thingfish | it's the bourbon. |
| 00:49.47 | thingfish | :) |
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| 00:50.05 | markybob | i'm sorry to say that i really dont care about games |
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| 00:50.16 | lightbright | thingfish: I installed unrar, and it said: Note, selecting unrar-nonfree instead of unrar. Whats this mean? Is this unrar version shareware or something? |
| 00:50.19 | michael1 | Hey, does anybody know about Rosebud4, especially on which channel I would ask questions about that program? |
| 00:50.26 | harleyg | but can you please sign it |
| 00:50.27 | thingfish | I only care about flight simulator 2004. |
| 00:50.35 | harleyg | we are going to send it off to many developers |
| 00:50.44 | thingfish | lightbright: yeah I think unrar is non-free or something. |
| 00:50.46 | markybob | thingfish, is that supported by cedega? |
| 00:50.55 | thingfish | markybob: not last I looked. |
| 00:50.57 | dli_ | thingfish, is it better than flightgear? |
| 00:51.00 | michael1 | *I outed a bot! I outed a bo-oo-o-aut* |
| 00:51.01 | lightbright | thingfish: so who do I pay for it? :P |
| 00:51.08 | thingfish | dli_: yes, unforunately it is. |
| 00:51.14 | thingfish | hehe lightbright |
| 00:51.19 | markybob | lightbright, not shareway. just not free in the debian definition |
| 00:51.24 | gnufan | dli_, yes, although one of the problems was a known issue with gas. I came to the conclusion using gcc 4 was a better approach, and I was just culling drivers that failed to build. Of course gcc 4 just died in one of the drivers I'm actually interested in, so it looks like gcc-3.4 or gcc-3.3 is a must for looking at this problem.... |
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| 00:51.26 | thingfish | I don't know, lightbright. |
| 00:51.28 | dli_ | thingfish, I tried flightgear can not run on laptop |
| 00:51.29 | markybob | s/shareway/shareware |
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| 00:51.37 | lightbright | markybob: ok |
| 00:51.44 | lightbright | thingfish: me either :P |
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| 00:51.58 | thingfish | dli_: I know...I mean it has great promise, but it's not a satisfying experience for me, either. |
| 00:52.01 | imex | just got a question and then reinstall the box, with Samba, does it need NFS to run? |
| 00:52.02 | dli_ | gnufan, it's quite often for me compile 2.4 kernel with gcc-3.3 |
| 00:52.04 | black | pleeeeassse help |
| 00:52.11 | black | I need to mount my usb |
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| 00:52.27 | markybob | imex, does samba need nfs? is that what you mean? |
| 00:52.32 | thingfish | well buy me a usb pen drive, black, and I'll help you install yours, ok? |
| 00:52.32 | black | and I can't.... I have been readen on internet but I couldn't |
| 00:52.33 | dli_ | thingfish, is the 2004 thing professional? at least close to professional |
| 00:52.35 | markybob | imex, rephrase. that was horrible |
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| 00:52.50 | black | thingfish: 8) |
| 00:52.56 | imex | to use samba, need NFS to be runing? |
| 00:52.57 | thingfish | dli_: yes, although there's no more "pro" designation. |
| 00:52.58 | black | I am getting crazy |
| 00:53.00 | markybob | imex, no |
| 00:53.01 | gnufan | dli_, is there a quick way of setting the environment up for 3.3 or 3.4, as when I tried 3.3, the 2.6 kernel scripts kept finding gcc was missing and other dross. |
| 00:53.13 | imex | k, thanks markybob |
| 00:53.18 | markybob | black, unplug it. tail -f /var/log/syslog plug it in. you'll see which device it attaches it to |
| 00:53.26 | markybob | black, then mount that device. done. |
| 00:53.27 | imex | will do reinstall now, just too much junk |
| 00:53.28 | thingfish | black: dude basically you define it in /etc/fstab, then mount it. |
| 00:53.35 | dli_ | thingfish, I will test it, hehe |
| 00:53.48 | Gnea | black: then you need to go do something else. |
| 00:54.06 | Gnea | black: you haven't even described what you've done so far to try to get it to work |
| 00:54.09 | michael1 | Okay, when I run the teamaker application, out of which port will the tea be poured? |
| 00:54.16 | dli_ | gunfan you can vi the Makefile, you can remove the link /usr/bin/gcc, and make gcc-3.3 link to it |
| 00:54.20 | thingfish | dli_: I like fs2004 for its wide selection of available aircraft, and its real-world weather capabilities. |
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| 00:54.29 | black | markybob: the tail return this "Nov 11 21:45:06 localhost kernel: usb.c: USB disconnect on device 00:02.2-2 address 3" |
| 00:54.40 | thingfish | I mean it is totally cool to select real weather and see it just like it is outside. |
| 00:54.42 | heanol | anyone know if there's a scummvm package for etch? |
| 00:54.54 | Gnea | black: that just says that you unplugged a usb device, nothing more. |
| 00:54.57 | thingfish | but it's MS, and that I hate about it, dammit. |
| 00:54.58 | heanol | there's a download for sarge, but it depends on libraries that are older than etch |
| 00:54.59 | dli_ | gnufan, vi Makefile should be fine, but I also make gcc itself link to gcc-3.3 |
| 00:55.02 | black | so |
| 00:55.03 | Tyler19_88 | can you boot from a cd in yaboot? |
| 00:55.08 | black | now I need to mount it |
| 00:55.11 | thingfish | kingsley: do you drink? |
| 00:55.14 | black | but I can't |
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| 00:55.20 | heanol | and it's in unstable but depends on some libs i really dont want from unstable :) |
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| 00:55.30 | Gnea | black: that's simply not good enough. google works just fine. |
| 00:55.34 | thingfish | and I *don't* mean water. |
| 00:55.50 | Gnea | !usb mount |
| 00:55.51 | dpkg | usb mount is, like, script to automatically mount/umount USB drives as they are inserted/removed: http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2004/10/msg00308.html |
| 00:56.02 | Gnea | there's that too |
| 00:56.07 | dli_ | thingfish, it allows you learn fly only, without taking off or landing? |
| 00:56.13 | black | Gnea: I am looking on google, you think that I LIKE asking other? |
| 00:56.22 | thingfish | dli_: fs2004? hell no. |
| 00:56.31 | dli_ | thingfish, kidding |
| 00:56.35 | black | Gnea: first I try to solve it but now I can't.... |
| 00:56.47 | Gnea | black: READ THIS. |
| 00:56.51 | thingfish | let me tell you what: I can darn near land anything anywhere. |
| 00:56.52 | Gnea | !tell black about usb mount |
| 00:57.00 | liable | i think the bans page on kingsley's site is quite interesting, the potty mouths is trivial, as it mostly depends on how often you participate in discussion here (seeing as most people swear) |
| 00:57.17 | thingfish | oh man... |
| 00:57.18 | Gnea | liable: fuck that shit ;) |
| 00:57.25 | thingfish | I'm just so sick of nuts. |
| 00:57.29 | liable | Gnea: shit yeah! |
| 00:57.47 | Gnea | thingfish: consider peanut butter. |
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| 00:57.55 | markybob | sick of nuts? are you seirous? rofl.... |
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| 00:58.21 | markybob | oh, wow. that was precious. sick of nuts |
| 00:58.31 | thingfish | well, yes, I shouldn't have said that, as I'm positively addicted to cashews. |
| 00:58.46 | Tyler19_88 | can you boot from a cd in yaboot? |
| 00:58.50 | gnufan | dli_, I'll give it one last try. but I was taking the luddite approach of working through kernel revisions from one that works, to one that doesn't to narrow down when they broke Linux for me. |
| 00:58.51 | thingfish | markybob: do you know that I'm gay or somethign? |
| 00:58.52 | black | Gnea: when my system starts it's says that the udev can't be started because the kernell is old enough |
| 00:58.55 | markybob | Tyler19_88, we've been through this. booting from cdrom is not a bootloader thing, but a bios thing. |
| 00:58.55 | thingfish | *something? |
| 00:59.00 | kingsley | liable: Thank you for your kind words about the ban report. |
| 00:59.05 | Gnea | black: what kernel are you using? |
| 00:59.05 | liable | !date thingfish |
| 00:59.09 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:59.10 | markybob | thingfish, my policy is dont ask dont tell |
| 00:59.14 | thingfish | funny mellicans |
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| 00:59.38 | dli_ | gnufan, it it won't compile for an old kernel, try older gcc, it must have been tested in old time |
| 00:59.40 | thingfish | ok, markybob |
| 00:59.40 | Tyler19_88 | but i get to my user nios |
| 00:59.52 | black | Gnea: how can I know? |
| 00:59.53 | Tyler19_88 | insert my username and password |
| 00:59.57 | thingfish | but dpkg, it's *you* I want. |
| 00:59.59 | Gnea | black: cat /proc/version |
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| 01:00.13 | markybob | !love thingfish |
| 01:00.20 | markybob | thingfish, your wish is granted |
| 01:00.21 | thingfish | now I'm happy. |
| 01:00.28 | thingfish | :) |
| 01:00.30 | black | Gnea: 2.4.26.1 |
| 01:00.30 | markybob | i dont see the point of any of it |
| 01:00.36 | scarynetworkguy | I mean people are assholes and they get banned. This is... news? |
| 01:00.39 | gnufan | dli_, I am trying 3.3 as I type, although I suspect they were using 3.4 when these kernels were tested.... Oh well if it builds it buils |
| 01:00.41 | markybob | aside from trying to hurt the debian community |
| 01:00.41 | Gnea | black: you need 2.6.12 |
| 01:00.53 | black | Gnea: It's dificult to install it? |
| 01:00.54 | thingfish | yeah, I mean it's a looney tunes endeavor. |
| 01:00.55 | Gnea | black: linux-image-2.6.12 i think it is the package |
| 01:01.04 | markybob | oh, see, i know what's going on. he actually works for suse or redhat or ubuntu and want people to hate debian and go to their distros instead. it's all a huge conspiracy, man! |
| 01:01.09 | markybob | shit! run! |
| 01:01.15 | scarynetworkguy | kingsley: So what's the point? |
| 01:01.30 | markybob | scarynetworkguy, we've asked at least six times. you wont get a real answer that makes sense. |
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| 01:01.39 | scarynetworkguy | markybob: Fair enough. :) |
| 01:01.40 | black | Gnea: but there is a little problem.... I am a developer and I am in a middle of a project so I need my computer more than my life.... |
| 01:01.41 | thingfish | because, first of all, the channel has improved vastly now that certain unnamed individuals have seen fit to abandon #debian. |
| 01:01.44 | dli_ | gnufan, if still not, try gcc-2.95, the old standard for long |
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| 01:01.49 | markybob | scarynetworkguy, just trying to save you some time :) |
| 01:01.53 | kingsley | scarynetworkguy: Are you asking what the point of the ban report is? |
| 01:01.57 | Gnea | black: and so you will need to install 2.6.12. |
| 01:02.01 | scarynetworkguy | markybob: *nod*. Good to know. |
| 01:02.17 | Tyler19_88 | markybob: i get to my user bios |
| 01:02.21 | scarynetworkguy | kingsley: Yes, but I think I'll take markybob's wise words of advice and just drop it. |
| 01:02.51 | markybob | Tyler19_88, i dont know what else to tell you. if you cant set your bios to boot from a cd before the hd, then you're not gonna boot from a cd before the hd |
| 01:03.03 | liable | some of the conversations are fairly amusing before they get banned. |
| 01:03.05 | thingfish | yes, let's talk about how all other linuxes besides Debian suck. |
| 01:03.30 | thingfish | opensuse 10 sucks. |
| 01:03.35 | SimonRaven | they suck. next! |
| 01:03.36 | dli_ | thingfish, freebsd rocks |
| 01:03.38 | thingfish | fedora * sucks |
| 01:03.49 | thingfish | hehe SimonRaven |
| 01:03.49 | liable | !start a distro war |
| 01:03.49 | dpkg | Fedora is stupid! |
| 01:04.05 | Tyler19_88 | well what if i fix my X server problem |
| 01:04.18 | Tyler19_88 | would i then have a better chance of working with it? |
| 01:04.28 | markybob | Tyler19_88, fixing X will not help you boot from CD |
| 01:04.34 | pusling | !start a distro watch |
| 01:04.41 | Tyler19_88 | i wont need to |
| 01:04.44 | SimonRaven | boot single user, /msg dpkg nodm. if that's the problem |
| 01:04.49 | Tyler19_88 | i could then run OSX from linux |
| 01:04.52 | thingfish | I don't think Fedora people drink anything stronger than wine coolers. |
| 01:04.58 | Tyler19_88 | and then install right..... |
| 01:05.02 | markybob | Tyler19_88, then fix X. it's your computer, man. do as you wish |
| 01:05.11 | SimonRaven | Tyler19_88: what are you trying to do? |
| 01:05.18 | scarynetworkguy | Tyler19_88: Is this a Mac PPC you are trying to boot? |
| 01:05.22 | dli_ | Tyler19_88, open your box, switch connect hdd to ide1, and cd to ide0 |
| 01:05.31 | thingfish | gentoo people are all cough syrup junkies. |
| 01:05.39 | thingfish | it's a mess out there, for sure. |
| 01:05.49 | dli_ | thingfish, gentoo rocks |
| 01:05.54 | thingfish | tsk |
| 01:06.08 | markybob | dli_, kinda hard to do that on a laptop. if i remember from the other day, that's what he's using. |
| 01:06.15 | thingfish | dpkg, please drop a 16-ton weight on dli_. |
| 01:06.31 | SimonRaven | use !lart |
| 01:06.31 | markybob | scarynetworkguy, and yes. |
| 01:06.46 | Tyler19_88 | I had a problem loading debian on my mac. So now I want to remove it and put OSX back on it |
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| 01:07.12 | dli_ | markybob, then, he can do "dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/hda count=1" to boot from cd |
| 01:07.14 | thingfish | dammit I want an intel mac |
| 01:07.26 | SimonRaven | Tyler19_88: when you get to the yaboot prompt, press <tab> a couple of times, then type the kernel alias there, and add single after it, then you can follow what /msg dpkg nodm says |
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| 01:07.43 | bob2 | Tyler19_88: so insert your mac os X cd in and install it |
| 01:07.48 | SimonRaven | Tyler19_88: the name is likely to be Linux or similar |
| 01:07.54 | markybob | bob2, he says it wont boot from the cd. that's the problem |
| 01:08.04 | thingfish | although really, why, since I'm totally happy with sarge. |
| 01:08.14 | SimonRaven | uh, duh, cmd-opt-o-f then type boot cd |
| 01:08.21 | scarynetworkguy | markybob: Tyler19_88 If you have a bootable CD in the drive openfirmware should give you a menu to choose your boot media from |
| 01:08.26 | SimonRaven | or, press c right after the boing |
| 01:08.27 | bob2 | thingfish: so you can marvel at how pretty it is, then get pissed off at the terminal it comes with, then nuke the partition |
| 01:08.28 | scarynetworkguy | At least on a new world mac. |
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| 01:08.40 | Tyler19_88 | it wont just run cd |
| 01:08.40 | G | hmmm i just installed libssl-dev on testing, but this ./configure program doesn't believe it is a later version than 0.9.6 |
| 01:08.44 | bob2 | scarynetworkguy: my ibook g4 didn't do that |
| 01:08.46 | Tyler19_88 | goes right to linux |
| 01:08.49 | SimonRaven | pressing c works on any mac |
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| 01:08.53 | G | any ideas on why that may be? |
| 01:08.55 | bob2 | !+info libssl-dev etch |
| 01:08.57 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 01:09.02 | markybob | SimonRaven, that's good to know. the c option |
| 01:09.03 | bob2 | G: what are you trying to compile? |
| 01:09.04 | dpkg | libssl-dev: (SSL development libraries, header files and documentation), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 0.9.8a-3 (etch), Packaged size: 2769 kB, Installed size: 8012 kB |
| 01:09.12 | scarynetworkguy | bob2: Huh. I've only really done it with a old G3 tower as my i |
| 01:09.20 | scarynetworkguy | Book happily runs OS X. :) |
| 01:09.26 | bob2 | scarynetworkguy: hm, ok |
| 01:09.39 | bob2 | I had a lot of trouble getting Debian on mine, since you have hit 'c' at just the right time |
| 01:09.42 | G | bob2: hybrid ircd |
| 01:09.46 | SimonRaven | markybob: google mac hot keys |
| 01:09.59 | markybob | SimonRaven, nah. i dont really care, i dont have a mac. thanks, though :) |
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| 01:10.09 | andreiutz | re all |
| 01:10.20 | bob2 | ircd-hybrid - high-performance secure IRC server |
| 01:10.20 | bob2 | oftc-hybrid - Hybrid 7 IRC daemon - OFTC branch |
| 01:10.22 | bob2 | G: ^ |
| 01:10.24 | scarynetworkguy | bob2: Just out of curiousty how did it work on your iBook? |
| 01:10.37 | G | bob2: i need to do a custom build |
| 01:10.46 | bob2 | G: sudo apt-get build-dep ircd-hybrid |
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| 01:10.52 | G | bleh, i think i've found the problem |
| 01:11.02 | bob2 | G: I would wager that modifying the debian source package and compiling that would be simpler, tho |
| 01:11.10 | bob2 | scarynetworkguy: hm, sarge or booting? |
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| 01:11.37 | scarynetworkguy | bob2: Booting. TBPH I don't run Debian anywhere anymore. :) |
| 01:11.47 | SimonRaven | i'd rather run linux on a newworld anyway, less overhead than os x... |
| 01:12.00 | bob2 | my tip of the day: fuck up your procmailrc so you have a new inbox, then enjoy not having a full inbox anymore! |
| 01:12.07 | thingfish | I just love linux because it's all open to you. |
| 01:12.09 | SimonRaven | er, s/linux/debian/ |
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| 01:12.14 | bob2 | scarynetworkguy: ah, it always booted the hard disk unless I hit at the right time |
| 01:12.27 | bob2 | actually, after I lent it to benh, it always booted to an openfirmware prompt |
| 01:12.34 | SimonRaven | some boxen are picky on the timing... |
| 01:12.34 | bob2 | and I never did figure out how to disable that again |
| 01:12.44 | thingfish | and I love Debian, because it's the best linux. I've tried a lot of them, and Debian, quality-wise, beats them all hands-down. |
| 01:12.46 | bob2 | scarynetworkguy: er, "hit c at the right time" |
| 01:12.48 | SimonRaven | auto-boot? false |
| 01:12.52 | bob2 | yay Debian! |
| 01:12.54 | SimonRaven | bob2: ^^^ |
| 01:12.55 | bob2 | SimonRaven: ah |
| 01:13.04 | scarynetworkguy | bob2: Fair enough. Yeah, I have mine set up to do an "informative boot" by default. |
| 01:13.09 | bob2 | SimonRaven: duh me for not asking you to begin with :-) |
| 01:13.12 | SimonRaven | nvsetenv auto-boot? true to bring back the default |
| 01:13.21 | SimonRaven | might need to escape the ? |
| 01:13.32 | SimonRaven | ;) |
| 01:13.42 | G | bob2: i just had a look at the build-deps line for it, and it seems it doesn't even enable that feature |
| 01:13.56 | bob2 | oh well, my ibook was rationalised a few weeks ago, anyway |
| 01:14.03 | SimonRaven | my server boots to OF, i can select single user boot. it's an oldworld |
| 01:14.21 | SimonRaven | rationalised? |
| 01:14.24 | bob2 | G: hm, you're right, the debian packagesdisable ssl because of the openssl license thing |
| 01:14.37 | bob2 | SimonRaven: "sold to make room in my new place" ;) |
| 01:14.43 | SimonRaven | ah |
| 01:14.45 | G | i think i know exactly why it's messing up |
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| 01:14.47 | SimonRaven | :) |
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| 01:15.11 | markybob | i'm looking to buy a new webcam for video chats. any suggestions? most of the cameras i've come in contact with have been crap |
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| 01:15.36 | markybob | of course, linux compatibility is required, which makes it a bit harder |
| 01:15.39 | bob2 | ones with philips chipsets appear to have native linux support (ie in the mainline kernel, aside from some compression stuff) |
| 01:15.46 | thingfish | my old konica webcam has never worked. |
| 01:15.48 | lightbright | markybob: are you a peeky boo person? |
| 01:15.50 | SimonRaven | that's because most are crap |
| 01:16.00 | thingfish | hehe peeky boo person |
| 01:16.04 | lightbright | thingfish: :) |
| 01:16.12 | markybob | bob2 i read that a couple of months ago. any specific brand/model suggestion? |
| 01:16.23 | markybob | you americans are weird |
| 01:16.24 | markybob | ;) |
| 01:16.35 | lightbright | markybob: im from Australia :P |
| 01:16.38 | thingfish | you're not kidding, markybob. |
| 01:16.49 | markybob | i'm sorry, i'm sorry. couldnt resist |
| 01:16.50 | bob2 | markybob: http://www.aboutdebian.com/webcam.htm, tho I've never had a camera like that |
| 01:16.56 | thingfish | you've heard that Bowie song, I'm Afraid Of Americans? |
| 01:16.57 | bob2 | tho I do love my dsc-p150 |
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| 01:17.11 | lightbright | in Australia, peeky boo means pervert, someone who looks at others touching themselves :P |
| 01:17.23 | lightbright | isnt that what most use webcams for? |
| 01:17.29 | thingfish | oh, we call that peeping tom in the US. |
| 01:17.30 | markybob | bob2 you use dsc-p150 for webcam? |
| 01:17.43 | lightbright | thingfish: in Australia its peeky boo :) |
| 01:17.49 | markybob | bob2 i didnt know it could do that |
| 01:17.54 | lightbright | thingfish: but then again I made that up :P |
| 01:17.54 | bob2 | markybob: no |
| 01:17.56 | thingfish | lightbright: you from east or west australia? |
| 01:18.01 | bob2 | just saying it's my only camera :) |
| 01:18.02 | lightbright | thingfish: East |
| 01:18.05 | lightbright | Sydney |
| 01:18.06 | markybob | bob2 ah :) |
| 01:18.06 | bob2 | I think it would be possible, tho |
| 01:18.16 | thingfish | oh, ok, you got conveniences. |
| 01:18.17 | bob2 | the hardware supports being controlled over usb, anyway |
| 01:18.36 | lightbright | thingfish: imho, its imminent Sydney being hit |
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| 01:18.54 | deadcat | bob2: thats your webcam? |
| 01:19.07 | thingfish | lightbright: australia is cool because you guys have more poisonous snakes than anywhere else in the world. |
| 01:19.20 | bob2 | thingfish: and spiders |
| 01:19.21 | G | bob2: got it working, thanks anyway |
| 01:19.28 | tuxuser19 | i have problem with DNS resolution in my pc...i can access internet normally but when I apt-get update or to use xchat or gaim they wont connect to the internet...and my pc keeps looking for 1.0.0.0 IPadd when i type in apt-get update..so everytime i type in "echo -e "nameserver 4.2.2.1\nnameserver 168.126.63.1\n" >/etc/resolv.conf" |
| 01:19.28 | bob2 | G: ah, what was the problem? |
| 01:19.28 | thingfish | yep, funnel web spiders. |
| 01:19.43 | bob2 | and red backs |
| 01:19.49 | bob2 | and white-tail spiders |
| 01:19.52 | bob2 | yay necrosis |
| 01:19.55 | SimonRaven | funnel web spiders are neat |
| 01:19.56 | techman2 | oooh, white tails are fun. |
| 01:19.59 | thingfish | but I'll tell you what...the australian accent is the sexiest there is. |
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| 01:20.18 | thingfish | totally turns me to jelly. |
| 01:20.18 | G | bob2: configure script was poorly written |
| 01:20.18 | deadcat | markybob: i have a logitech 3000 using the pwc driver, very nice. |
| 01:20.22 | bob2 | tuxuser19: so the problem is just that /etc/resolv.conf is being overwritten? |
| 01:20.24 | bob2 | G: ah, heh |
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| 01:20.59 | markybob | deadcat, they dont sell those anymore, i dont think |
| 01:21.08 | G | it should have detected any openssl v above 0.9.6 but the checking script didn't understand 0x0090801fL (the debian openssl v string) it seems |
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| 01:21.21 | bob2 | ahh |
| 01:21.41 | G | bob2: so i've just manipulated the config script to only understand 0x0090801fL as an openssl version and it works |
| 01:21.59 | deadcat | markybob: really. amazon it. the 4000 uses pwc as well |
| 01:22.03 | SimonRaven | that's what i would've done ;) |
| 01:22.14 | tuxuser19 | bob2: thats right and then i can access internet normally....but it is only for few minutes and after that i have the same prob...so again I have to type in "echo -e "nameserver 4.2.2.1\nnameserver 168.126.63.1\n" >/etc/resolv.conf" to access the internet |
| 01:22.24 | G | it's a dirty little change, but works |
| 01:22.32 | markybob | deadcat, will do. thanks |
| 01:22.44 | andreiutz | re all |
| 01:22.56 | tuxuser19 | bob2: as i said b4 it only happens when i apt-get update or use gaim or xchat |
| 01:23.25 | bob2 | markybob: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Webcam-HOWTO.html |
| 01:23.31 | bob2 | G: hah |
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| 01:23.52 | deadcat | zoneminder is a very nice application. i am using motion myself. |
| 01:23.52 | bob2 | tuxuser19: I was unsure whether you meant that fixing /etc/resolv.conf fixed it or not |
| 01:24.01 | markybob | bob2, neat. thanks. |
| 01:24.12 | bob2 | tuxuser19: your dhcp client is overwriting it, I assume |
| 01:24.24 | bob2 | tuxuser19: why is your dhcp server giving you incorrect name server settings? can you fix it? |
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| 01:25.16 | G | i must say, it's nice to be back on debian |
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| 01:25.43 | tuxuser19 | bob2:i can only fix it temporarily by typing "echo -e "nameserver 4.2.2.1\nnameserver 168.126.63.1\n" >/etc/resolv.conf" command to access internet |
| 01:25.45 | G | i think this time i'm gonna focus on creating a working print driver for all those poor buggers like me with Canon MPC200' |
| 01:26.16 | bob2 | tuxuser19: yes, I'm wondering why your DHCP server is giving you bogus nameservers |
| 01:26.22 | bob2 | tuxuser19: assuming that is the issue |
| 01:26.31 | SimonRaven | looks like it is |
| 01:26.45 | tuxuser19 | bob2:after a certain period of time if i try to run apt-get update it looks for 1.0.0.0....means basically it is not resolving the dns...then do u know whats the solution? |
| 01:27.07 | woodland | how do i increase the resolution of my laptop, |
| 01:27.18 | SimonRaven | new lease, therefore it changes resolv.conf; dhclient can be set up so resolv.conf isn't edited |
| 01:27.44 | Moonscope | Question: if i use dkpg to install a program, how to i remove it? |
| 01:27.56 | bob2 | Moonscope: dpkg --remove packagename |
| 01:27.59 | SimonRaven | man dpkg |
| 01:28.02 | Moonscope | k thanks :D |
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| 01:28.13 | bob2 | tuxuser19: who runs your dhcp server? |
| 01:28.25 | tuxuser19 | its on my pc... |
| 01:28.59 | andreiutz | 10 days ago i installed debian sarge for the first time . it was all ok until today when the keyboard didn't respond anymore and other services when the x login manager screen comes . so i can use only the mouse . but the keyboard is fine because it'z active and it works until the login screen . i can't log into the system . i tried with knoppix but but xfree86cfg it was ok |
| 01:29.09 | bob2 | tuxuser19: can yo utell us a bit about your network? |
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| 01:31.27 | tuxuser19 | bob2: i have a home network with 2 pc's running Debian connected to the internet thru a switch & switch is connected to my adsl modem...but when i look at my /etc/resolv.conf it has namersever 192.168.1.1 which is my modem acting like a gateway...ireckon it has a dhcp server as well...& also i think my pc is running dhcp server...do u think they are clashing? |
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| 01:33.51 | bob2 | if you are running two, things will break |
| 01:34.01 | bob2 | but your pc would only be running one if you explicitly installed it; did you? |
| 01:34.32 | tuxuser19 | bob2:infact it was installed with sarge by default |
| 01:35.10 | SimonRaven | uh, no |
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| 01:35.31 | bob2 | tuxuser19: no |
| 01:35.36 | bob2 | tuxuser19: a dhcp client is, but not a server |
| 01:35.46 | SimonRaven | through tasksel probably |
| 01:35.59 | tuxuser19 | bob2:how to check if the dhcp server is running on my pc |
| 01:36.16 | deadcat | ps -ef |
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| 01:37.46 | Gumby | I was wondering if someone could lend a quick hand. I have one single kernel module that I'd like to recompile (ati_remote because they key bindings on the newer remotes are totally different than the older ones so 1/2 the keys arent functional). I currently am running 2.6.8-2-k7 and I have kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-k7 and kernel-source-2.6.8 in /usrc/src/ If I go into kernel-source-2.6.8 and make menuconfig and choose k7 in the cpu options and make su |
| 01:37.46 | Gumby | re that the ati remote is set to load as a module will this allow me to do make modules and then have an ati_remote.ko I can insert into my current running kernel? |
| 01:37.59 | Gumby | did all that get through? including the second part? |
| 01:38.08 | jeff_ | I'm having some problems installing grub onto a hard drive. I'm swapping drives around and I now have a new /. I can't manage to get grub installed though. I've booted to an ubuntu disc and running grub-install /dev/hda returns errors |
| 01:38.29 | SimonRaven | ls /etc/init.d/dh*server will tell you if one's installed, deadcat's thing will tell you if one is running |
| 01:38.32 | lunitik | jeff_: what errors? |
| 01:38.41 | lunitik | jeff_: prolly would help if you told us that :/ |
| 01:38.48 | markybob | jeff_, this isnt ubuntu |
| 01:38.56 | markybob | jeff_, this is #debian |
| 01:38.59 | lunitik | jeff_: also #ubuntu... they apparently have a MUCH better community :/ |
| 01:39.08 | markybob | lunitik, heh :) |
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| 01:39.30 | jeff_ | the system is debian - I'm just trying to use an ubuntu live cd as a recovery disc so I can get grub installed |
| 01:39.35 | bob2 | wtf |
| 01:39.38 | jeff_ | the errors is saying it can't read stage1 |
| 01:39.39 | markybob | hahaha |
| 01:39.44 | bob2 | jeff's question is entirely appropriate |
| 01:39.53 | bob2 | jeff_: did you chroot into your debian system? |
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| 01:39.59 | jeff_ | yep |
| 01:40.08 | bob2 | what do the errors look like? |
| 01:40.09 | lunitik | jeff_: ubuntu live cd's really aren't good rescue cd's.... they're like... for the desktop :/ |
| 01:40.10 | Gumby | did you mount /dev? |
| 01:40.15 | WE_R_ONE | : Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed |
| 01:40.15 | WE_R_ONE | Warning: no locale found: /usr/share/locale/qjackctl_en_US.qm |
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| 01:40.30 | Gumby | jeff_: did you mount /dev and /proc? |
| 01:40.53 | bob2 | WE_R_ONE: is this you trying to run an X program as root with su? |
| 01:41.09 | jeff_ | I didn't mount them - let me try mouting them |
| 01:41.17 | jeff_ | what should I be mounting to /dev? |
| 01:41.18 | WE_R_ONE | bob2, running as root |
| 01:41.23 | WE_R_ONE | trying to run qjackctl |
| 01:41.26 | xoz | jeff_: and make sure you mount /proc in /chroot/proc |
| 01:41.28 | bob2 | you don't need to mount /dev |
| 01:41.34 | Gumby | 1) mount /dev/hdXx /mount/point 2) mount -t proc none /mount/point/proc 3) mount -t none /dev /mount/point/dev -o bind 4) chroot /mount/point |
| 01:41.44 | bob2 | WE_R_ONE: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 01:41.51 | WE_R_ONE | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:42.10 | lunitik | bob2: seriously... I'm pretty sure refering to device nodes should work without them being mounted :/ |
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| 01:42.26 | SimonRaven | debian install cd is ok |
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| 01:43.55 | jeff_ | still getting the same error: "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly." |
| 01:44.20 | jeff_ | I've checked the md5sum on it against the one listed in /var/cache/dpkg/info/grub.md5sum (or something close to that) |
| 01:44.28 | markybob | jeff_, mounted /boot or was it not a seperate partition? |
| 01:44.38 | jeff_ | everything is on 1 partition |
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| 01:45.02 | xoz | jeff_: or try grub shell and setup from there instead of using grub-install |
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| 01:45.31 | jeff_ | how do I install from the grub shell? I tried just typing "install" and it wanted more parameters |
| 01:45.35 | xoz | jeff_: info grub |
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| 01:46.01 | xoz | jeff_: it's like setup (hd0,0) ... etc |
| 01:46.03 | lunitik | jeff_: its just like in the shell... install /dev/hda |
| 01:46.09 | lunitik | or that |
| 01:46.17 | tuxuser19 | bob2: what i have to do solve my DNS problem? |
| 01:46.33 | bob2 | !+listkeys dhcp |
| 01:46.34 | lunitik | I'm pretty sure 'install /dev/hda' works though... |
| 01:46.35 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'dhcp' by key (15 of 16): broke dhcp ;; broken dhcp ;; dhcp ;; dhcp client ;; dhcp kernel ;; dhcp kernel options ;; dhcp-client ;; dhcp-client-beta ;; dhcpcd ;; dhcpd.conf ;; dhcping ;; home dhcp ;; home-dhcp ;; kernel options for dhcp ;; start a dhcp war. |
| 01:46.42 | bob2 | !+broke dhcp |
| 01:46.42 | dpkg | i heard broke dhcp is ask me about kernel options for dhcp |
| 01:46.54 | bob2 | !+broken dhcp |
| 01:46.54 | dpkg | from memory, broken dhcp is Go enable 'IP: kernel level autoconfig' in your 2.4 kernel. |
| 01:46.58 | bob2 | bah |
| 01:47.11 | xoz | jeff_: also make sure that when you issue ps ax in the chroot, you get the info similar to when you issue it outside chroot |
| 01:47.11 | bob2 | tuxuser19: in order of crappiness of solutions: |
| 01:47.18 | bob2 | 1) fix your dhcp server to not hand out bogus values |
| 01:47.19 | WE_R_ONE | is there a program that works with qjackctl that allows you to connect up a server to stream? |
| 01:47.30 | kingsley | I obscured the nicks in the potty mouth report. |
| 01:47.34 | bob2 | 2) install dhcp3-client and configure it to not get dns from the dhcp server |
| 01:47.44 | bob2 | 3) make /etc/resolv.conf immutable |
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| 01:48.01 | bob2 | tuxuser19: 3 = chattr +I /etc/resolv.conf, if it's on ext2/3/ |
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| 01:48.16 | xoz | jeff_: otherwise, it means that /proc is not mounted inside chroot and the kernel will hv problems knowing the proper info of your hw |
| 01:48.37 | jeff_ | ok....I'm getting the same thing from ps inside chroot and outside |
| 01:48.53 | SimonRaven | you could also ls /proc ;p |
| 01:49.02 | jeff_ | Running "install /dev/hda" from the grub shell in the chroot gave me this: "Error 12: Invalid device requested" |
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| 01:49.19 | markybob | jeff_, is this what you did? mount /dev/hda1 /mnt && chroot /mnt && grub-install /dev/hda ? |
| 01:49.19 | jeff_ | (Sorry for the slow responses, I'm switching back and forth on a KVM trying these things) |
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| 01:49.35 | jeff_ | (hda2, but yes) |
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| 01:49.59 | xoz | jeff_: inside grub shell: root (hd0,0)... setup (hd0)... quit |
| 01:50.01 | lunitik | dreadnought: haha... of Trillian fame? lol |
| 01:50.07 | dreadnought | does tis work |
| 01:50.10 | dreadnought | oh cool |
| 01:50.23 | xoz | jeff_: assuming /dev/hda1 is your root |
| 01:50.24 | dreadnought | i was banned on the ubuntu channel |
| 01:50.37 | SimonRaven | so you come here? ... |
| 01:50.41 | markybob | that's probably not the best thing to say |
| 01:50.43 | lunitik | dreadnought: stating that ensures you don't get help here... good job |
| 01:51.05 | dreadnought | change my name |
| 01:51.12 | markybob | dreadnought, we have your ip. change that |
| 01:51.23 | markybob | then you might have a chance of getting a new identity |
| 01:51.27 | thingfish | probably can't change your IP though. |
| 01:51.27 | dreadnought | who is trillion like god or something |
| 01:51.34 | jeff_ | looks like that did it. It didn't seem to like the fact that my root partition was hda2. I'm rebooting now to verify. |
| 01:51.35 | dreadnought | not that hard |
| 01:51.42 | SimonRaven | ip, isp, kind of 'net connection... |
| 01:51.47 | dreadnought | not my mac though |
| 01:51.51 | dreadnought | hehe |
| 01:51.53 | lunitik | dreadnought: there is someone there with the same username.... trillian is a crap IM client for Winblows |
| 01:52.12 | xoz | jeff_: grub shell is more sane than using the script... in my experience |
| 01:52.13 | lunitik | !tell dreadnought about enter |
| 01:52.30 | dreadnought | wow im used to ubotu |
| 01:52.31 | Dewi | the sk98lin module in the 2.6.12 kernel seems not to support MTU setting... is there some way to work around this? |
| 01:52.52 | Dewi | I don't really see why MTU is a property of modules anyway, shouldn't it be in the TCP/IP software somewhere? :/ |
| 01:53.04 | dreadnought | thanks |
| 01:53.06 | lunitik | dreadnought: obotu and dpkg are both the same kinda bot... just different db's :/ |
| 01:53.13 | jeff_ | it's working now thanks (rather, grub is installed - the config is wrong since partitions moved, but that I know how to fix.) THanks again |
| 01:53.15 | dreadnought | oh i no |
| 01:53.23 | bob2 | mtu is an interface property |
| 01:53.26 | lunitik | dreadnought: oh i no makes no sense |
| 01:53.31 | dreadnought | u on debian or ubuntu |
| 01:53.40 | SimonRaven | guess |
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| 01:53.44 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:53.57 | dreadnought | i need ubuntu help aughhh |
| 01:53.58 | Dewi | bob2: mmm... but sk98lin doesn't seem to like it |
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| 01:54.15 | bob2 | dreadnought: uh, #ubuntu |
| 01:54.23 | dreadnought | IM BANNED THERE |
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| 01:54.25 | lunitik | bob2: he was banned apparently |
| 01:54.26 | dvs | bob2: he's banned |
| 01:54.28 | bob2 | dreadnought: that's a shame |
| 01:54.29 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:54.31 | markybob | dreadnought, shouldnt have gotten them pissed off at you. |
| 01:54.37 | dreadnought | i said duh too many times |
| 01:54.41 | bucky | !tell dreadnought about d-i |
| 01:54.41 | bob2 | dreadnought: sadly, that does not make ubuntu questions appropriate here |
| 01:54.49 | SimonRaven | i blame it on the 'mer'kin "education" system and microsoft |
| 01:55.01 | dreadnought | ill try it but i doubt it will work |
| 01:55.05 | dondelelcaro | popular scapegoats.... |
| 01:55.12 | SimonRaven | indeed |
| 01:55.19 | dreadnought | and thats the point of linux , freedom |
| 01:55.29 | thingfish | the real culprit is sugary breakfast cereals. |
| 01:55.30 | lunitik | !tell me about d-i |
| 01:55.31 | markybob | dreadnought, you have freedom. had, i guess |
| 01:55.44 | xoz | ...thinking that the enemy of your enemy is your friend |
| 01:55.50 | dreadnought | nazis |
| 01:55.52 | SimonRaven | dondelelcaro: lack of funding, not enough teachers, that sort of thing |
| 01:56.05 | dondelelcaro | SimonRaven: one word: parents. |
| 01:56.13 | SimonRaven | that too |
| 01:56.15 | thingfish | nazis pushing artificially flavored and colored breakfast cereals. |
| 01:56.25 | bucky | http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/debian.jpg |
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| 01:56.28 | dondelelcaro | lunitik: no. |
| 01:56.29 | dreadnought | and censorship |
| 01:56.38 | lunitik | dondelelcaro: its mostly Debian :( |
| 01:56.49 | lunitik | dondelelcaro: I totally started with a debian system too :P |
| 01:56.52 | dreadnought | debian is close enough |
| 01:57.00 | bob2 | dreadnought: are you done? |
| 01:57.05 | thingfish | stop it, make it go away. |
| 01:57.06 | lightbright | dondelelcaro: hello, great to see you again |
| 01:57.06 | dreadnought | with wat |
| 01:57.07 | bob2 | also, you don't appear to be banned in #ubuntu |
| 01:57.08 | dondelelcaro | lunitik: we can answer some questions, but if we get to a situtation where it's the custom packages that are installed, it's your deal. |
| 01:57.23 | bucky | lunitik: that's the problem.. mixing packages like that makes more problems and problems that are hard to solve |
| 01:57.30 | dreadnought | it says " cannot send to channel" |
| 01:57.36 | lunitik | dondelelcaro: oh I know... I rarely have questions anyways... I just like to try and help :) |
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| 01:58.24 | bucky | dreadnought: renew your dhcp lease on your router and change your nick |
| 01:58.31 | lunitik | dondelelcaro: Only Ubuntu packages is recent GNOME etc... |
| 01:58.37 | dondelelcaro | ugh |
| 01:58.48 | lunitik | dondelelcaro: its not in Sid yet afaik :// |
| 01:58.59 | dreadnought | unfourtuniyly i do not own the router |
| 01:59.12 | dondelelcaro | lunitik: it's in experimental. |
| 01:59.15 | dreadnought | and its not worth chacgin my nic |
| 01:59.15 | bob2 | dreadnought: anyway, off-topic here |
| 01:59.21 | dreadnought | yea |
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| 02:00.54 | lunitik | dondelelcaro: oh I know... but pinning is a pain... and I don't really know all the packages I'd need to do a basic "apt-get install -t experimental all of gnome"... plus they leave out a lot of hal stuff due to some Debian users still on 2.4 :/ |
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| 02:01.18 | bob2 | the obvious solution is to pin experimental above unstable |
| 02:01.26 | bob2 | WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG |
| 02:01.37 | dondelelcaro | MWHAHAHAHA |
| 02:01.44 | lunitik | bob2: wouldn't that drag in a bunch of other crap that would break a lot of things? |
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| 02:02.02 | lunitik | bob2: and that doesn't rectify the lack of hal/other 2.6 specific features... |
| 02:02.12 | dondelelcaro | lunitik: so install hal |
| 02:02.18 | bob2 | lunitik: Iwas kidding |
| 02:02.49 | lunitik | dondelelcaro: gnome maintainers don't compile with hal features... due to said 2.4 uers |
| 02:02.54 | lunitik | bob2: I know ;) |
| 02:03.02 | lunitik | users* |
| 02:03.16 | tuxuser19 | bob2:thx bob will give it a go ..see ya |
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| 02:03.21 | dondelelcaro | lunitik: eh? the gnome volume manager depends on it |
| 02:03.29 | dli_ | lunitik, if you want newest packages, switch to gentoo:( |
| 02:03.43 | lunitik | dli_: I'll pretend you didn't say that ;) |
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| 02:04.14 | dondelelcaro | (not that I've ever really bothered to figure out the insanity of gnome and its 8 billion libraries) |
| 02:04.15 | ows_ | is someone there with some experience workin' with GIFs? |
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| 02:04.22 | dondelelcaro | !tell ows_ -about ask |
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| 02:04.52 | lunitik | dondelelcaro: yes... there are other features too like the 'places' menu adds things via hal now... gnome by default still depends on magicsomething afaik though for 2.4 users |
| 02:05.02 | ows_ | can you clear up if I need to reverse order of color table bytes (cause GIF uses little endian)? |
| 02:05.16 | bob2 | hah |
| 02:05.22 | bob2 | libgif doesn't handle that for you? |
| 02:05.26 | ows_ | my color table isn't equal to gif produced using imagequick |
| 02:06.10 | dondelelcaro | well, that's not surprising, since the color table can be in arbitrary order |
| 02:06.16 | dvs | eps: your mirror is not up to date. |
| 02:06.22 | eps | dvs mmm okay :) |
| 02:06.28 | aphaxd | whats the nice thing about debian compared to fbsd |
| 02:06.28 | lunitik | eps: its maintained by GNOME Maintainers... and will come through with rest of GNOME... |
| 02:06.29 | aphaxd | ?? |
| 02:06.38 | ows_ | dondelelcaro: so, don't you know? |
| 02:06.46 | eps | lunitik ah so don't expect it for awhile lol :P |
| 02:06.55 | lunitik | eps: correct ;) |
| 02:07.09 | eps | aphaxd debian doesn't make you do everything the hard way |
| 02:07.18 | dondelelcaro | ows_: which color table are we talking about here? what are you using to actually write the GIF out? |
| 02:07.22 | aphaxd | eps: what do you mean |
| 02:07.23 | aphaxd | ?? |
| 02:07.26 | bob2 | !+info evolution experimental |
| 02:07.28 | dpkg | evolution: (The groupware suite), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.4.1-2 (experimental), Packaged size: 10334 kB, Installed size: 29768 kB |
| 02:07.37 | dondelelcaro | aphaxd: please stop overusing enter and punctuation. |
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| 02:07.42 | bob2 | 2.4, baybe |
| 02:07.49 | ows_ | dondelelcaro: global color table of GIF specification |
| 02:07.55 | aphaxd | im currently running fbsd right now and im planning to switch to debian |
| 02:08.15 | lunitik | bob2: you have an example /etc/apt/apt_preferences that brings in GNOME without breakage? |
| 02:08.31 | eps | bob2 last thing I grabbed from experimental broke my system for a few hours :P |
| 02:08.35 | dondelelcaro | ows_: yes, it is in little endian; all of gif is. If your color table is in the wrong byte order, you'll have to fix that. |
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| 02:11.03 | eps | aphaxd fbsd tends to assume user running and doesn't give you a lot of tools or services to do it for you ...unless you customise it extensively. debian gives you those out of the box plus powerful package management that puts ports to shame |
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| 02:14.21 | aphaxd | eps: ok ive see that..yeah thats what most linux distro i guess is giving out..well you can always use ports with fbsd but why hasle when its already there for you..precompiled |
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| 02:14.36 | multidex | what are the common switches for tar - for extracting a tar.gz archive? |
| 02:14.38 | yaarg | is it possible to configure "curses theme"? |
| 02:14.44 | ows_ | dondelelcaro: well, I've 256*3 (RGB) bytes .. for instance I've 156 as the value of the first pixel (and it'll be 10011101... in binary) and so on for all bytes and 232 for the last byte (1110100 - binary) .. do I need to start wrting 1110100 and ... and finally 10011101? |
| 02:14.53 | yaarg | by default it's blue with silver dialogs and red buttons |
| 02:15.11 | paivakil | multidex: -zxvf |
| 02:15.19 | dli_ | multidex, tar zxvf |
| 02:15.26 | multidex | thanks paivakil and dli |
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| 02:16.04 | wolfe | any bash guru's awake? |
| 02:17.08 | eps | aphaxd you will find that apt tends to be the most powerful package manager around, that gives debian/ubuntu/other deb based distros an edge when it comes to features |
| 02:17.37 | eps | wolfe I'm talking a to a bash guru via another messaging system, I can relay your question? |
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| 02:17.46 | wolfe | yeah |
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| 02:18.13 | wolfe | CHR_COUNT="33" ; I=$(echo "scale=0; $CHR_COUNT/62*100" | bc) ; echo "$I" ; prints "0" GRRRRRR |
| 02:18.23 | wolfe | anyway to get it not to print the decimal as in 100 instead of 100.00 with scale=2? |
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| 02:19.03 | dav_ | not a debian only question but would anyone know the following: do get the ^E character, one does Ctrl-V, Ctrl-E in the shell or most apps. vim has characters displayed as ~E, does one know how to produce it? |
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| 02:21.01 | iccomputing | hey any users that have a few minutes...I am trying to accomplish 2 things on a debian system I have just installed |
| 02:21.24 | wolfe | eps: anything... <insert begging whining etc> |
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| 02:22.25 | wolfe | iccomputing: exactly what are you trying to do? |
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| 02:22.41 | iccomputing | i am first trying to figure out how to access my scsi drives.. |
| 02:22.42 | pureone | wolfe you could try #bash |
| 02:22.53 | dvs | iccomputing: /dev/sda ... next |
| 02:22.56 | wolfe | pureone yeah i will i think |
| 02:22.58 | iccomputing | i have 2x scsi drives...4 parts |
| 02:23.29 | iccomputing | bash: permission denied ? |
| 02:23.39 | wolfe | heh |
| 02:23.48 | kingsley | iccomputing: /var/log/messages or dmesg may reveal what linux thinks about the scsi drives. |
| 02:24.15 | iccomputing | bash: permission denied ?? |
| 02:24.20 | iccomputing | i am in root |
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| 02:24.46 | iccomputing | i logged into admin and "su root" |
| 02:24.51 | iccomputing | is that correct? |
| 02:25.34 | wolfe | to avoid permission denied yes |
| 02:26.05 | wolfe | try more /var/log/messages |
| 02:26.10 | multidex | i'm trying to install the realplayer plugin for firefox - which is an RPM |
| 02:26.14 | wolfe | "more /var/log/messages" |
| 02:26.17 | multidex | what do i do with an RPM? |
| 02:26.25 | Guerin | multidex: delete it |
| 02:26.26 | multidex | i know it's RedHat |
| 02:26.34 | iccomputing | hmm...and what is all this? |
| 02:26.35 | wolfe | multidex: rom are for rehat/fedora core |
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| 02:26.45 | dav | is there a way to type a character based on its hex code in a shell? |
| 02:27.24 | alcros | Hi, recently my xserver crashed and nothing got logged |
| 02:27.36 | alcros | I tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 02:27.38 | kingsley | multidex: The "alien" command may convert the rpm to a debian package, but the result may be incompatible with debian's firefox. |
| 02:27.41 | alcros | and nothing works |
| 02:28.01 | alcros | I even tried with a XF86Config-4 taken from knoppix |
| 02:28.47 | alcros | everytime I restart, a see the message trying to whow me the log files |
| 02:28.47 | dvs | alcros: xorg doesn't use XF86Config-4 |
| 02:28.47 | multidex | k thanks |
| 02:28.58 | iccomputing | i found something in "more /var/log/messages" that reads: SCSI Subsystem |
| 02:29.00 | alcros | xorg.conf is a simlink |
| 02:29.06 | wolfe | multidex: look also at: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&postid=1912408#post1912408 |
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| 02:29.26 | liable | alcros: symlink to what? |
| 02:29.35 | Dewi | does anyone know where the "debian" menu has gone in etch gnome? |
| 02:29.36 | multidex | thanks wolfe |
| 02:29.42 | wolfe | iccomputing: so it is likely set up already |
| 02:29.43 | alcros | to XF86Config-4 |
| 02:29.51 | wolfe | multidex: :) |
| 02:29.52 | liable | err, no. |
| 02:30.00 | kingsley | alcros: I'm pretty sure that an X log file reports crashes. I've seen segemnt violations reported in an X log file. It may just be a matter of looking in the right log file. Knowing why it crashed would let you google for a fix. |
| 02:30.08 | iccomputing | it has an NT 4.0 ntfs part on the remaining 3 parts..i am trying to get to that data... |
| 02:30.48 | alcros | ok, maybe I got all confused for installing and uninstalling xorg and xfree86 |
| 02:31.34 | alcros | I will try what you have suggested |
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| 02:31.38 | alcros | Thanks |
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| 02:31.57 | kenboo | wolfe, does bc -l help? |
| 02:32.05 | iccomputing | still getting Permission Denied when I try to access /dev/sda |
| 02:32.26 | liable | iccomputing: you need to mount it, then access the mount point. |
| 02:32.30 | wolfe | knbo: checking |
| 02:32.41 | wolfe | kenboo: checking ( grin) |
| 02:32.41 | kingsley | iccomputing: Have you looked in /var/log/messages or dmesg? |
| 02:33.02 | dvs | iccomputing: /dev/sda is the entire drive and not one partition |
| 02:33.15 | iccomputing | can i mount it if it has NTFS part and data on it? i am trying to get the info on the other parts..the nt was destroyed by a virus |
| 02:33.18 | wolfe | wolfe@unode:~$ I=$(echo "scale=0; $CHR_COUNT/62*100" | bc -l) |
| 02:33.18 | wolfe | wolfe@unode:~$ echo $I |
| 02:33.18 | wolfe | 0 |
| 02:33.20 | wolfe | grrrrr |
| 02:33.21 | iccomputing | ahh |
| 02:33.49 | iccomputing | kingsley: i have looked at /var/log/messages |
| 02:33.59 | iccomputing | it shows both SCSI drives as loaded |
| 02:34.22 | kingsley | iccomputing: Good. Have you typed "dmesg | less" ? |
| 02:34.31 | iccomputing | dvs: thanks for that info..thought sda / sda1 / sda2 were my parts |
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| 02:35.12 | iccomputing | bash: less: command not found |
| 02:35.30 | kingsley | iccomputing: OK, try "dmesg | more" |
| 02:35.51 | iccomputing | (this is my first shot at installing debian on my own BTW..i have been around it and used the server for ftp,ssh,ect for a while) |
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| 02:36.14 | iccomputing | kinglsey: what am i looking for? |
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| 02:36.26 | kingsley | iccomputing: I seem to recall that sda1 is the first partition of the first scsi drive, and sda2 is the second. |
| 02:36.49 | kingsley | iccomputing: sdb1 would be the first partition of the second scsi drive. |
| 02:36.59 | iccomputing | i am correct in thinking that EXT3 will read NTFS partitions right? |
| 02:37.08 | kingsley | iccomputing: Look for scsi or drive. |
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| 02:37.08 | dvs | iccomputing: no |
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| 02:37.22 | dvs | iccomputing: you need to load an NTFS kernel module |
| 02:37.28 | iccomputing | dvs: can you explain? |
| 02:37.34 | kingsley | iccomputing: What dvs said. |
| 02:37.49 | iccomputing | so that is probably why i cannot get to the other partitions?? |
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| 02:38.05 | dvs | iccomputing: you need to load the ntfs kernel module to read the ntfs file system |
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| 02:38.24 | kingsley | Disk drive partitions can have one of several formats. ext2, ext3, ntfs, etc... |
| 02:38.31 | iccomputing | dvs: is that part of compiling my own kernel? |
| 02:38.39 | dvs | iccomputing: yes |
| 02:38.48 | kenboo | wolfe, i'm not really understanding your problem but isn't the scale has to be 2? |
| 02:38.52 | dvs | iccomputing: it is also a module in the debian kernel |
| 02:38.56 | kenboo | doesn't* |
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| 02:39.06 | kingsley | iccomputing: I suggest googling for: ntfs lsmod modprobe |
| 02:39.09 | iccomputing | ok...i was using the man page and online walk through on debain.org and was having problems b/c i dont have the packages.. |
| 02:39.17 | wolfe | kenboo: the problem is I need to drop everything after the "." |
| 02:39.23 | kenboo | OH |
| 02:39.28 | kenboo | i thought you wanted fload/double |
| 02:40.08 | iccomputing | for some reason my apt-get wont let me pull anything down...like even gnome or kde. any thoughts? |
| 02:40.27 | dvs | iccomputing: what error message are you getting? |
| 02:40.36 | wolfe | iccomputing: do you have wajig? |
| 02:41.03 | kenboo | then...33/62*100 = 0 is a correct output.. |
| 02:41.16 | iccomputing | wolfe: dont think i have wajig, i was under the impression i could use something else.. |
| 02:41.48 | iccomputing | dvs: e: couldn't find package gnome is the error |
| 02:42.06 | wolfe | kenboo: I need the percentage of 33 (which is actually a variable) of 62 with out any decimal places |
| 02:42.17 | kingsley | iccomputing: If you're using a live CD, like #knoppix, to repair a corrupted partition, it may not be configured to allow you to install new packages. |
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| 02:42.50 | julii | hello |
| 02:43.26 | iccomputing | kingsley: i installed debian to an unused partition on one of the scsi devices..there are 3 other ntfs parts that i want to view the info for..but I also want to use the deb i just installed for samba and such |
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| 02:43.46 | kingsley | wolfe: How's this? echo "scale=0 ; 100 * 33 / 62" | bc |
| 02:45.32 | kingsley | iccomputing: /etc/apt/sources.list needs to be configured to point at a valid package repository. |
| 02:46.09 | wolfe | kenboo: echo "scale=0 ; 100 * 33 / 62" | bc ........ works thanks... ummm why does it make a difference? |
| 02:46.17 | iccomputing | kingsley: do you know of one? i checked that once and it seemed to be good. |
| 02:46.56 | kingsley | iccomputing: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free |
| 02:47.01 | wolfe | kingsley rather heh |
| 02:47.36 | iccomputing | wtf!? now i am getting permission denied on that!! I was in that not more than 2 hours ago!!! |
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| 02:48.39 | kenboo | wolfe, because bc without -l treats numbers as integer |
| 02:48.52 | wolfe | he |
| 02:48.54 | wolfe | h |
| 02:49.29 | CrazyNorman | I'm having trouble with Cron. I wrote a script, which runs several python scripts, and placed it in /etc/cron.daily. Whenever I run the script, it works fine, but it never executes on its own. Do cron.daily scripts have root permissions when run, or is it something else that I'm missing? |
| 02:49.55 | kingsley | What's the "who am i" -like command that reveals if one has logged in as root with su? |
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| 02:50.35 | wolfe | kingsley: whoami |
| 02:50.39 | dondelelcaro | CrazyNorman: they execute with root permisions; what is the name of your script? |
| 02:50.53 | CrazyNorman | tevlog_daily.sh |
| 02:51.06 | kingsley | CrazyNorman: Does the script start with: #!/bin/bash ? |
| 02:51.23 | CrazyNorman | #!/bin/sh |
| 02:51.30 | kingsley | CrazyNorman: Or #!/bin/sh ? |
| 02:51.39 | CrazyNorman | It starts with "#!/bin/sh" |
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| 02:51.57 | dondelelcaro | CrazyNorman: and run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily lists your script, right? |
| 02:52.19 | CrazyNorman | let me check |
| 02:52.22 | kingsley | CrazyNorman: Good. Do any of the other scripts in /etc/cron.daily run? |
| 02:52.24 | CrazyNorman | hmm, it doesn't return anything |
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| 02:53.39 | iccomputing | kingsley: any idea what is going on? i no longer have permission to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:53.41 | dondelelcaro | CrazyNorman: rrr... s/report/lists/ |
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| 02:53.46 | dondelelcaro | list. |
| 02:53.47 | woodland | how do i increase the resolution of my laptop, |
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| 02:54.25 | kingsley | iccomputing: What does the "whoami" command report? |
| 02:54.37 | iccomputing | root |
| 02:54.38 | CrazyNorman | ok |
| 02:54.42 | CrazyNorman | I got the other scripts |
| 02:54.44 | CrazyNorman | but not mine |
| 02:55.22 | kingsley | iccomputing: What does "mount" report? |
| 02:55.31 | dondelelcaro | CrazyNorman: man run-parts, and make sure your script matches that regex. |
| 02:55.37 | CrazyNorman | k |
| 02:55.40 | kingsley | iccomputing: For filesystem "/" |
| 02:55.51 | dondelelcaro | CrazyNorman: specifically, it must not contain . |
| 02:56.09 | CrazyNorman | fixed it |
| 02:56.10 | CrazyNorman | thanks |
| 02:56.13 | iccomputing | kingsley: /dev/sda2/ on / type ext3 (rw, errors=remount-ro) |
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| 02:56.50 | kingsley | iccomputing: Does "ls /" work? |
| 02:57.11 | iccomputing | yes |
| 02:57.40 | kingsley | iccomputing: What does "ls / | grep dev" report? |
| 02:57.57 | iccomputing | dev |
| 02:58.17 | kingsley | iccomputing: What does "ls -l / | grep dev" report? |
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| 02:59.11 | iccomputing | drwxr-xr-x 11 root root 21504 nov 12 21:57 dev |
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| 02:59.36 | kingsley | iccomputing: What does "ls -l /dev | grep sda2" report? |
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| 03:00.01 | kids | i want to download cdimage via bittorrent. http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/. which one do i get!?!?!? |
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| 03:00.25 | iccomputing | Kinglsey: it reports nothing |
| 03:01.00 | Sarvell | anyone know how to install a driver in ubuntu 5.10 |
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| 03:01.15 | markybob | Sarvell, check in #ubuntu |
| 03:01.33 | kingsley | iccomputing: What does "ls -l /dev | grep sd" report? |
| 03:01.41 | Sarvell | i just installed today and it says i am banned from that channel anyone know why? |
| 03:01.47 | iccomputing | Kinglsey: it reports nothing |
| 03:01.55 | xoz | iccomputing: try fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 03:02.13 | kids | i have to download cd image of debian via bittorrent. http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/. what do i get? |
| 03:02.28 | iccomputing | yay! finally somthing that makes sense to me!! thanks xoz.. |
| 03:02.41 | markybob | kids get whatever works on your machine. you're not gonna get mips for a pentium 4. |
| 03:03.07 | iccomputing | Kinglsey: i ran the fdisk -l /dev/sda command and it reported /dev/sda1 = hpfs/ntfs |
| 03:03.21 | iccomputing | and /dev/sda2 = linux |
| 03:03.22 | kids | im sorry. but i dont know the diffrence between any of them. |
| 03:03.32 | markybob | kids what kind of computer do you have? |
| 03:03.36 | kids | P4 |
| 03:03.46 | markybob | kids have a dvd burner? |
| 03:03.47 | kids | 512 ram |
| 03:03.49 | kids | yea |
| 03:04.06 | markybob | kids http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/bt-dvd/ |
| 03:04.23 | kids | i386 hey? thats your recomendation? |
| 03:04.26 | kingsley | What's the (uppercase?) name of the script that creates groups of device files? I seem to recall something like MKNODE... |
| 03:04.46 | markybob | kids that's what i linked you to, is it not? |
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| 03:05.09 | kids | it is. whats the diffrence between the versions? |
| 03:05.10 | eps | how do you turn off aptitudes stupid new attempts at dependancy handling? |
| 03:05.13 | xoz | iccomputing: did you mount /dev/sda1? ... try modprobe ntfs .... first |
| 03:05.16 | iccomputing | omg...permission denied when i tried to /dev/sda2 |
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| 03:05.26 | markybob | kids different processors need different stuff. |
| 03:05.41 | iccomputing | xoz: i was just told about the modprobe..what do i do exactly? |
| 03:05.45 | kids | that makes sense. thank you. |
| 03:05.50 | kids | NEXT! |
| 03:05.57 | iccomputing | my google came up with lots of things.. |
| 03:06.07 | kids | of the link, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/bt-cd/. which .iso do i have to get? allofthem? |
| 03:06.20 | markybob | kids you should be fine with just the first one |
| 03:06.20 | kids | 1 of them ? |
| 03:06.24 | kids | thank you |
| 03:06.26 | xoz | iccomputing: your linux system is in /dev/hda2? |
| 03:06.38 | kids | what are the diffrent .iso files? |
| 03:06.51 | iccomputing | xoz: /dev/Sda2 |
| 03:06.53 | iccomputing | (scsi |
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| 03:07.07 | xoz | iccomputing: and you want to read /dev/sda1? |
| 03:07.19 | iccomputing | xoz: i am trying to get back into the ntfs partitions b/c they were hit by a bug |
| 03:07.33 | xoz | iccomputing: which is in /dev/sda1? |
| 03:07.42 | sfullenwider | if it's not in /proc/filesystems then your kernel doesn't have support for it right? |
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| 03:07.44 | iccomputing | xoz: yep |
| 03:07.48 | ke6isf | kids: You're installing, right? |
| 03:07.49 | xoz | iccomputing: first... modprobe ntfs |
| 03:08.00 | xoz | iccomputing: then, mount /dev/sda1 /mnt |
| 03:08.03 | iccomputing | is that just a command or something i need to get? |
| 03:08.11 | xoz | iccomputing: just type it |
| 03:08.24 | iccomputing | gave me the driver version.. |
| 03:08.44 | xoz | iccomputing: lsmod | grep ntfs ... to check it is loaded |
| 03:08.54 | xoz | iccomputing: you need that module to mount ntfs volume |
| 03:09.16 | iccomputing | xoz: omg its there |
| 03:09.18 | ke6isf | kids: Why not download the netinst image? |
| 03:09.21 | kingsley | iccomputing: Since "ls -l /dev | grep sd" returned nothing, I suspect that your computer has no scsi device files, which are necessary to access a scsi drive. Unless you have a better idea, I suggest googling for makdev sg. Note you'd need to cd /dev before running it. |
| 03:09.30 | Gumby | when I am compiling a kernel, what do I edit so the modules are placed at /lib/modules/2.6.12-k7 instead of /lib/modules/2.6.12? |
| 03:09.31 | xoz | iccomputing: then, mount /dev/sda1 /mnt |
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| 03:09.42 | eps | does any one use aptitude? |
| 03:09.47 | xoz | iccomputing: if it works... cd /mnt... then you'll see your files there. |
| 03:09.49 | ke6isf | !anyone |
| 03:09.50 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 03:09.55 | mal1 | who are debians largest demographic of users? |
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| 03:10.07 | eps | hey ke6isf how about you not do that? |
| 03:10.08 | mal1 | I assume its system administrators? |
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| 03:10.16 | iccomputing | xoz: there they are!! |
| 03:10.20 | iccomputing | neat.. |
| 03:10.41 | ke6isf | eps: No. |
| 03:10.49 | ke6isf | !comfort sfullenwider |
| 03:10.50 | dpkg | There, there, sfullenwider. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 03:10.55 | EM1 | anyone know why auto banned from ubuntu server? |
| 03:10.55 | eps | ke6isf for the record: [2005/11/13|13:07:15] eps how do you turn off aptitudes stupid new attempts at dependancy handling? |
| 03:11.15 | xoz | iccomputing: then, you can now backup your files.. |
| 03:11.15 | mal1 | for a school project, I am doing a modern Debian.org redesign. Right now I have to address the users that the site will appeal to. |
| 03:11.25 | eps | ke6isf since no one answered directly I was seeing if it was worth waiting for an answer as debian people rarely use aptitude |
| 03:11.26 | sfullenwider | I havn't used linux in so long I've forgotten half of the words for things so I'm forever looking for how to spell something that i KNOW exists. |
| 03:11.34 | sfullenwider | insanity is not for the weak |
| 03:11.44 | ke6isf | *rolls eyes* |
| 03:11.47 | ke6isf | !tell eps -about ask |
| 03:11.47 | xoz | use apropos or command completion |
| 03:11.48 | iccomputing | xoz: thanks..i have some files on 2 other partitions on this thing..how do i find those? |
| 03:12.01 | markybob | sfullenwider, they became insane *because* they were weak |
| 03:12.13 | cheal | mal1: a "modern Debian.org redesign"? |
| 03:12.23 | mal1 | should be a website redesign |
| 03:12.25 | xoz | iccomputing: fdisk -l /dev/sda... |
| 03:12.33 | eps | !tell ke6isf -about not being a helpful user |
| 03:12.48 | mal1 | to make Debian.org more appealing and user friendly to its core demographic |
| 03:12.56 | ke6isf | *plonk* |
| 03:13.05 | xoz | iccomputing: and mount them somewhere... i should have told you that you can create /mnt/sda1 .... /mnt/sda2 ... then mount them from those points |
| 03:13.15 | iccomputing | ahh |
| 03:13.18 | iccomputing | i see |
| 03:13.21 | markybob | mall it already is. we debian users like to keep it simple and easy. |
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| 03:13.36 | mal1 | markybob: it can be argued |
| 03:13.38 | ke6isf | mal1: Define appealing? |
| 03:13.39 | cheal | eps: yeah...debian people rarely use aptitude. thanks for remembering us |
| 03:13.46 | iccomputing | hmmm...this is wierd..i only see sda1 / sda2...i thought i had sdb1 and sdb2 also.. |
| 03:13.56 | mal1 | ke6isf: something that would be a joy to navigate |
| 03:13.59 | markybob | mall i assume you're not a debian user or you wouldnt be asking |
| 03:14.09 | mal1 | markybob: well, I use ubuntu |
| 03:14.13 | eps | cheal well judging from lack of responce (and scolding for suggesting I use it) in the past it is a natural assumption :) |
| 03:14.16 | xoz | iccomputing: and use: find . -iname "*filename*" to find files containing filename |
| 03:14.28 | ke6isf | mal1: I find simple and concise pages to be a joy to navigate. On the other hand, other people find flash laden pages more joyous. What do you consider "a joy to navigate"? |
| 03:14.29 | kingsley | iccomputing: Is sdb mentioned in /var/log/messages? |
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| 03:14.47 | cheal | eps: well, nobody here will answer to trivial questions like that... |
| 03:14.51 | mal1 | markybob: I am not going to do some total overhaul, just address some problematic areas for new users |
| 03:15.01 | mal1 | markybob: meaning, no flash |
| 03:15.10 | markybob | mall we like it how it is. simple, easy. it would've changed a long time ago if the users didnt like it. |
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| 03:15.11 | eps | cheal well maybe somebody here should update the man page to include the solution? |
| 03:15.14 | markybob | if you put flash on debian.org i'd kill you |
| 03:15.15 | markybob | ;) |
| 03:15.16 | xoz | iccomputing: try also fdisk -l /dev/sdb if you wanna check the other scsi |
| 03:15.17 | cheal | eps: if you'd be asked a hundred times a day if you use something, you'd probably get the idea ;) |
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| 03:15.31 | eps | cheal I asked the question before I put that, no one responded |
| 03:15.34 | iccomputing | xoz: i checked that..it reported nothing.. |
| 03:15.37 | ke6isf | !beer cheal |
| 03:15.45 | xoz | iccomputing: how many disks you have? |
| 03:15.51 | iccomputing | kingsley: i am going to check that |
| 03:16.03 | iccomputing | xoz: 2 physical w/ 2 parts each |
| 03:16.06 | fuzzyBSc | Hello... |
| 03:16.06 | eps | cheal and yes I know the drill...I idle in a bunch of help channels myself - no need to repeat what I know over and over like cheal did... 'worth a try' was why I did it :P |
| 03:16.17 | eps | ke6isf did* |
| 03:16.23 | eps | gah to asleep for this rubbish |
| 03:16.23 | markybob | mall debian is the way debian is because that's how the users are. no fluff. fluff is for #ubuntu and #fedora, which is why they have "modern" websites |
| 03:16.32 | mal1 | markybob: this is for a technical design course, so its more along the lines of making the page as accessable to a wide audience while still appeasing the main demographic |
| 03:16.39 | fuzzyBSc | I did something of an upgrade last night to some xperimental packages, particularly X and gnome. |
| 03:16.40 | ke6isf | !beer markybob |
| 03:16.41 | eps | so does any one know how to turn off aptitudes new "feature" (trying to handle deps when you don't want it too) or not? |
| 03:16.44 | xoz | iccomputing: dmesg | grep scsi |
| 03:16.52 | cheal | eps: ok, but still...not everyone looks at the channel all day long, so don't be surprised if a useless question is ignored |
| 03:16.53 | markybob | ke6isf, thank you |
| 03:17.02 | fuzzyBSc | Now my monitor is flickering (turning briefly blank).... but only when I type or use the mouse. |
| 03:17.05 | eps | cheal oh I wont :) |
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| 03:17.07 | fuzzyBSc | Any thoughtts? :) |
| 03:17.12 | ke6isf | mal1: It ain't broke. Don't fix it. To add features would ruin it. |
| 03:17.19 | iccomputing | kingsley: permission denied!?!? |
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| 03:17.38 | markybob | mall now you know what the debian users are like :) i assume that was your goal, so mission accomplished |
| 03:18.08 | mal1 | markybob: yea, I already know Debian users enjoy a no frills, straight-to-the-point experience from their site design |
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| 03:18.12 | cheal | eps: as for your actual question, it's too vague. give something concrete and somebody may answer. few people will followup to vague questions |
| 03:18.15 | fuzzyBSc | I've tried downgrading some of the X pakcages, but that hasn't fixed it. I'm a bit confused as to what might be causing it, frankly... and it is making it a little hard to use the machine. |
| 03:18.16 | kingsley | iccomputing: Is my understanding correct that you could access /var/log/messages before? |
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| 03:18.17 | fuzzyBSc | :) |
| 03:18.23 | mal1 | but I am going to make it even less frills, and even more straight-to-the-point |
| 03:18.26 | ke6isf | mal1: For a discourse on why adding more features would be a bad thing, Google up '+"creeping featurism" +catb'. |
| 03:18.41 | iccomputing | xoz: the dmesg | grep scsi reports attached scsi disk sda at scsi0 channel 0, id 2, lun 0 |
| 03:18.52 | markybob | mall cool. good luck to you. hopefully i'll get a chance to see your work once you're done |
| 03:18.55 | xoz | iccomputing: try fdisk -l /dev/sdc |
| 03:19.20 | mal1 | ke6isf: well, I want to make commonly requested information quicker to find for new users |
| 03:19.29 | eps | cheal I recently updated aptitude - it acted similar to apt-get but with some nice perks... now it does that but then tried to solve dep problems with held back packages (my best guess is an enforced -f switch from the man page) and I can't push through any held back packages without it trying to solve the problem for all of them |
| 03:19.37 | ke6isf | mal1: Ah, OK, that's clearer. *thinks* |
| 03:19.41 | iccomputing | xoz: reports nothing |
| 03:19.49 | eps | I want to know how to turn that off so it is like normal again |
| 03:19.57 | iccomputing | kingsley: yes, i was able to access this before |
| 03:20.11 | iccomputing | kingsley: now i am getting permission denied on lots of things.. |
| 03:20.12 | mal1 | most users care about only two things: 1.) where is the installation manual 2.) where are the disks I need |
| 03:20.13 | eps | the man page hasn't been updated to reflect the change or how to turn it off |
| 03:20.20 | mal1 | at least that is how it is for me |
| 03:20.21 | xoz | iccomputing: seems that the kernel detected only one. if you have two, it should say something like scsi0 and scsi1 |
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| 03:20.38 | xoz | iccomputing: dmesg | grep scsi1 |
| 03:20.42 | liable | eps: to unhold a package? |
| 03:20.45 | eps | mal1 are you talking about end users? like windows lusers? because I can't say I agree if that is who you are talking about |
| 03:20.45 | markybob | mall i go for the security updates first and foremost, which i really dont think is that unusual for debian users. keep that in mind |
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| 03:20.52 | xoz | iccomputing: dmesg | grep scsi0 as well |
| 03:20.57 | kingsley | iccomputing: What does the "mount" command say about filesystem "/" now? |
| 03:21.11 | mal1 | eps: well the goal is to satisfy the core demographic, and make it more accessable to users that might be contemplating a debian switch |
| 03:21.14 | eps | liable I want to turn off it trying to solve the problem, give me a second to get a screen dump |
| 03:21.15 | ke6isf | mal1: It is my opinion that you're up for a challenge. The site is already pretty straightforward in its layout, complete with a site map at the top of the page. In fact, I would go on to think that to make it any more concise would actually be redundant. |
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| 03:21.22 | fuzzyBSc | Any thoughts, guys? Maybe somewhere else to turn? |
| 03:21.26 | eps | mal1 then all people care about is "it just works" |
| 03:21.28 | eps | (tm) |
| 03:21.32 | liable | eps: just install the package, that turns off hold. |
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| 03:21.45 | iccomputing | xoz: that reports "scsi1 : sym53c8xx-1.7.3c-2001050512 |
| 03:21.54 | eps | liable yes that is what I'm doing, but aptitude procceds to try and solve the dep problems for everything |
| 03:21.55 | mal1 | ke6isf: its debatable... its not going to be groundbreaking |
| 03:21.56 | kingsley | iccomputing and xoz: I need to go soon and will leave iccomputing in xoz's capable hands. |
| 03:22.20 | iccomputing | kingsley: thanks man |
| 03:22.21 | liable | eps: thats what its supposed to do. |
| 03:22.25 | markybob | mall debian.org's probably the only distro's website without screenshots. i think that's interesting and says a lot |
| 03:22.25 | ke6isf | mal1: Indeed. But, as with what markybob said, good luck to you, and I as well am curious as to what your layout would look like. |
| 03:22.41 | eps | liable I don't want it too, and it didn't in the past |
| 03:22.53 | mal1 | ke6isf: I am aiming to change the color scheme on the left navbar |
| 03:23.01 | liable | eps: didnt used to install dependancies? |
| 03:23.10 | mal1 | make the headers stand out from the subheadings |
| 03:23.11 | eps | liable just wait until I get the screen dump |
| 03:23.17 | xoz | iccomputing: dmesg|grep scsi0 info should be similar to dmesg|grep scsi1... are you sure your scsi disk for the second drive works? |
| 03:23.18 | iccomputing | xoz mount command reports /dev/sda1 & /dev/sda2 |
| 03:23.30 | eps | yay perfect time for gnome to start locking up |
| 03:23.30 | liable | eps: yes sir! |
| 03:23.36 | cheal | eps: I don't understand what you mean by "solve dep problems with held back packages"...others might though |
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| 03:23.42 | eps | liable sorry trying to do so many things at once |
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| 03:23.52 | welson | hi |
| 03:23.53 | eps | yay gnome is dead |
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| 03:24.04 | xoz | iccomputing: sda is the first scsi. you need sdb or sdc to get the other disks. |
| 03:24.22 | anabain | hi, why firefox and konqueror do not accept http://localhost:631/admin? |
| 03:24.34 | iccomputing | xoz: similar but a little different: it has the same info then another line that states: attached scsi disk sda at scsi0 |
| 03:24.36 | anabain | I'm trying to setup CUPS |
| 03:24.46 | fuzzyBSc | anabain: What's the error message? |
| 03:25.01 | welson | anabain: netstat -plutn (xterm) shows if there's port 631 open |
| 03:25.05 | xoz | iccomputing: sda1 and sda2 are partitions for the first scsi. if you want to access the second one, you have to mount something other than sda |
| 03:25.10 | liable | anabain: cause cupsd isnt running/configured? |
| 03:25.15 | iccomputing | xoz: system detects both drives, just checked bios boot |
| 03:25.22 | anabain | connection refused when trying to connect |
| 03:25.22 | iccomputing | ahh |
| 03:25.35 | eps | liable http://eps.homelinux.org/~eps/aptitude.html that is what I'm getting, up until now aptitude would only do up until 2 packages upgraded, 4 newly installed, 4 to remove and 241 not upgraded. <br /> Need to get 13.6MB of archives. After unpacking 992kB will be used. but now it does the rest of the rubbish too |
| 03:25.36 | fuzzyBSc | anabain: That measan the program you're trying to talk to isn't running. |
| 03:25.42 | liable | !connection refused |
| 03:25.42 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
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| 03:25.46 | iccomputing | xoz: so "/dev/sdb /mnt/sdb" right? |
| 03:25.54 | eps | that was from a aptitude install vimpart btw |
| 03:25.57 | anabain | perhaps, liable, but how can I setup it? |
| 03:26.13 | xoz | iccomputing: if fdisk -l /dev/sdb has no info... i doubt mounting will work. |
| 03:26.32 | eps | liable so yeah, so I don't care about its solutions and I don't want them, I can work it out for myself...just want to turn it off |
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| 03:27.15 | iccomputing | xoz: what am i missing then? all these parts were accessible in nt 4.0 before I loaded debian on the unsused part... |
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| 03:27.43 | iccomputing | my goal is to get access to all the files, set up samba and use this as file storage server |
| 03:27.46 | xoz | iccomputing: they are made of the same scsi? similar disks? |
| 03:27.59 | xoz | iccomputing: or it is not scsi. |
| 03:28.08 | liable | eps: whoah, htf have you gotten aptitude to do that? have you run update, and have you run a dist-upgrade previously that failed? |
| 03:28.09 | iccomputing | xoz: pretty close |
| 03:28.21 | xoz | iccomputing: try fdisk -l /dev/hda |
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| 03:28.39 | cheal | eps: which release do you run and did you update recently? |
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| 03:28.45 | xoz | iccomputing: checking if it's not scsi... maybe it is hda, not sdb |
| 03:28.47 | eps | liable update yes, twice since that started happening, another debian sid friend who uses aptitude says it is happening to him to |
| 03:28.54 | iccomputing | xoz: cdrom open failed |
| 03:29.03 | eps | as far as we can tell it is an aptitude updated feature? |
| 03:29.05 | liable | eps: and whats bts say? |
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| 03:29.11 | eps | bts? |
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| 03:29.18 | xoz | iccomputing: try hwinfo |more |
| 03:29.25 | liable | !btssmite eps |
| 03:29.28 | eps | zoidberg:/home/eps# aptitude --version |
| 03:29.28 | eps | aptitude 0.4.0 compiled at Nov 8 2005 17:21:37 |
| 03:29.30 | iccomputing | xoz: ive got the side off the machine and looking inside it..its 2 scsi drives..its a compaq prolient server |
| 03:29.52 | iccomputing | command not found |
| 03:30.10 | xoz | iccomputing: apt-get install hwinfo |
| 03:30.26 | iccomputing | xoz: would it matter if the #2 scsi is on channel 5? |
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| 03:30.53 | iccomputing | xoz: it said somthing in the bios about scsi2 channel 5 or something?! |
| 03:31.01 | xoz | iccomputing: i think the kernel should just detect it.. |
| 03:31.04 | fuzzyBSc | Is there a simple apt-get command I can use to downgrade all my experimental pakcages back to unstable? |
| 03:31.15 | stazich | hi, ho do i set up X after i install Debian sarge? i installed it and now it wont work.. it is an iMac.. |
| 03:31.37 | iccomputing | xoz: Package hwinfo has no installation candidate |
| 03:31.40 | xoz | iccomputing: try fdisk -l /dev/sdc ... then sdd,sde,sdf,sdg until you get an info. |
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| 03:31.50 | iccomputing | xoz: when i tried to apt-get |
| 03:31.56 | xoz | iccomputing: sarge? |
| 03:32.05 | eps | liable site is unresponcive |
| 03:32.21 | cheal | !drxx stazich |
| 03:32.22 | dpkg | stazich: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 03:32.40 | iccomputing | xoz: yes sarge..i intsalled from a debian distro cd image |
| 03:32.50 | cheal | stazich: if that doesn't help, you'll have to explain what you mean by "wont work" |
| 03:32.58 | iccomputing | nothing on the fdisk's xoz |
| 03:33.17 | xoz | iccomputing: hmm, seems that the kernel only detected one scsi |
| 03:33.41 | iccomputing | xoz: where can i check that? or make the kernel detect it |
| 03:33.48 | eps | so joy, no one knows how to fix this problem :| |
| 03:34.00 | liable | eps: yeah its a bit slow lately, give it a while. |
| 03:34.09 | xoz | iccomputing: what you can do is swap the disks... and check if you can see the files... |
| 03:34.10 | eps | mhmm |
| 03:34.20 | mal1 | what separates a debian user from an ubuntu user? why would one choose debian over the other? |
| 03:34.29 | eps | they wouldn't :P |
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| 03:34.41 | eps | ubuntu is very much a desktop version of debian |
| 03:34.42 | iccomputing | xoz: swap the disks? physically or some command? |
| 03:34.42 | xoz | iccomputing: it should just be detected during boot. try discover or hotplug to detect it. |
| 03:34.47 | liable | eps: looking, dont see anything like yours, maybe you need to file a bug. You dont have any other repos in your sources.list? |
| 03:34.54 | xoz | iccomputing: physically... as a last resort. |
| 03:35.01 | mal1 | do its more geared towards system admins running servers? |
| 03:35.04 | cheal | mal1: there doesn't have to be a separation. anyone can use both |
| 03:35.04 | mal1 | so* |
| 03:35.06 | eps | liable I have about seven repos in my sources |
| 03:35.06 | welson | mal1, ubuntu is slapped up for #ubuntu and use ubuntu tools-- so ubuntu=ubuntu ways of doing things.. |
| 03:35.18 | sfullenwider | has anyone heard of an rss aggregator that sits on the desktop scrolling through news headlines like a stock ticker? |
| 03:35.19 | mal1 | ok, so its relatively similar |
| 03:35.28 | mal1 | so I could say that debian and ubuntu are both competitors |
| 03:35.33 | stazich | ok |
| 03:35.36 | markybob | no, you couldnt |
| 03:35.43 | iccomputing | xoz: is there like an fdisk client or something like during the install that will let me lookat both disks? |
| 03:35.45 | eps | mal1 debian was once described to me as not a distrobution...but a platform of packages |
| 03:35.52 | eps | heh :P |
| 03:36.12 | eps | mal1 no not competitors, they meet different markets, as a debian supporter I have no problem recommending either or using either |
| 03:36.13 | mal1 | heh, ok... better question: has anyone switched from Ubuntu to Debian? |
| 03:36.30 | mal1 | ah, ok |
| 03:36.30 | eps | probably |
| 03:36.31 | cheal | mal1: hardly. #debian probably don't know about ubuntu, but debian is not a "competitor" of anything |
| 03:36.40 | eps | I switched newbies I know on debian to ubuntu because it is easier for them |
| 03:37.01 | xoz | iccomputing: yep. you can use the option to manually partition the disks.. but if it's not detected now, i doubt that it will be dtected during install. wht kernel are you using? 2.6? |
| 03:37.05 | mal1 | eps: ok, so there is some overlap of demographics |
| 03:37.10 | xoz | !troll mal1 |
| 03:37.14 | fuzzyBSc | Is there a stronger invocation of apt-get than "apt-get -t unstable dist-upgrade"? I want to downgrade all my experimental packages... :-/ |
| 03:37.20 | markybob | mall no |
| 03:37.21 | mal1 | but that overlap isn't profound |
| 03:37.28 | eps | liable I would suggest (since the few people using 0.4 that I've talked to have the same problem) that this is ment to be a new 'feature' of aptitude |
| 03:37.33 | cheal | mal1: most likely. I switched from knoppix to debian myself. ubuntu is another of the "user-friendly" debian forks |
| 03:37.33 | eps | I just want to turn it off :| |
| 03:37.47 | markybob | mall most people who know what they're doing feel more comfortable with debian. most people who dont know anything have a better time with ubuntu |
| 03:37.51 | iccomputing | xoz: how do i check kernel version? |
| 03:37.57 | xoz | iccomputing: uname -a |
| 03:38.13 | mal1 | markybob: ok, that's what I am looking for |
| 03:38.17 | iccomputing | 2.4.25-1-386 |
| 03:38.25 | iccomputing | xoz: sound right? |
| 03:38.25 | eps | mal1 many people once they have gotten used to linux through ubuntu like to move to debian...it is more 'powerful' or lets you have more control |
| 03:38.33 | eps | though that isn't a strict rule |
| 03:38.40 | xoz | iccomputing: try 2.6 kernel. i think you will have better scsi support... not sure though. |
| 03:38.51 | mal1 | eps: ok, but I don't understand the point that they don't compete for users |
| 03:38.54 | iccomputing | xoz is that an easy upgrade? |
| 03:39.04 | eps | mal1 sorry? go read their website |
| 03:39.06 | mal1 | eps: especially since they preform similar tasks |
| 03:39.18 | eps | competition and bragging rights isn't what open source is about |
| 03:39.22 | eps | (all of the time anyway :P) |
| 03:39.23 | liable | eps: well, i dont have this problem *shrug* |
| 03:39.25 | mal1 | eps: sorry about all this, I am trying to assess the demographic and cater to them in a redesign |
| 03:39.34 | mal1 | eps: I am not trying to start a distro war |
| 03:39.38 | iccomputing | xoz: sorry for the n00b questions..this is my first attempt to do this by myself..and its as a last resort to restore this guys lost autocad files |
| 03:39.44 | welson | iccomputing, during the install? the only one I know is go to a shellbox (from the text menu, around 2nd to last) and then you're in a shell-- |
| 03:39.51 | eps | mal1 mmm no I ment that as a thing to do, they describe why they are doing it very well on their website |
| 03:39.52 | xoz | iccomputing: apt-get cache search kernel-image... then apt-get install kernel-image-2.6*** choose the latest. |
| 03:39.55 | mal1 | eps: in designing a page you have to also attract potential users |
| 03:40.04 | eps | mal1 and I'm a fan of ubuntu, I use debian myself but my family uses ubuntu |
| 03:40.06 | xoz | iccomputing: err. apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 03:40.22 | fuzzyBSc | No thoughts? Ok... how can I get a listing of the full names of every package installed on my system? dpkg --list truncates the names. |
| 03:40.22 | stazich | ok, i get the error saying "NO SCREENS FOUND" when i try to start X.. that is after i reconfigure X... it is an iMac and i have a few XF86Config files open from web as samles for iMac.. do i do something wromng? |
| 03:40.30 | xoz | iccomputing: you shoul use knoppix because it will autmotically mount those drives. |
| 03:40.35 | Guerin | fuzzyBSc: COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l |
| 03:40.37 | mal1 | eps: if an ubuntu user is a potential user, than the website should at least try to be somewhat familiar with their mode of thinking |
| 03:40.44 | Guerin | fuzzyBSc: or dpkg --get-selections |
| 03:40.46 | markybob | mall i'd rather ubuntu exist than not...at least it takes some of the newbies away so we dont have to deal with explaining crap ;) |
| 03:40.48 | iccomputing | xoz: ok..i will try that. thanks for the help man. |
| 03:41.00 | iccomputing | brb: b33r |
| 03:41.17 | eps | why would you want to steal users from ubuntu? why poach users from debian based distros...I would feel it would be more important to get users from windows/mac/rpm based distros |
| 03:41.22 | eps | (just interested in your reasons) |
| 03:41.31 | mal1 | eps: part of the project |
| 03:41.32 | fuzzyBSc | Guerin: Ahh, thanks :) |
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| 03:41.48 | mal1 | eps: to satify current users, and attract potential new users |
| 03:42.05 | DebianUX | My first time using Debian :-) |
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| 03:42.07 | cheal | !tell stazich about no screens found |
| 03:42.11 | erich | mal1: ubuntu users are already debian users. :-P |
| 03:42.12 | mal1 | I gather most debian users dont care if Debian is #1 on the distro charts, not that they should, but as part of this project, I have to pretend that they do |
| 03:42.26 | cheal | DebianUX: here's a coffee, buddy ;) |
| 03:42.38 | fuzzyBSc | apt-get install `dpkg --get-selections | awk '{print $1 "/unstable"}'` it is. |
| 03:42.39 | markybob | mall potential users would be people companies who are migrating from ms servers to linux servers. generally not your average desktop users |
| 03:42.42 | DebianUX | cheal, speaking of which :-) |
| 03:42.56 | eps | mal1 as markybob said, ubuntu takes newbie users away from debian which makes it easier to support the community...ubuntu caters for new users - that is its task...debian caters for advanced linux users (or those looking for hours of fixing fun! lol) and linux purists |
| 03:42.57 | mal1 | markybob: yea, system admins |
| 03:43.09 | xoz | stop feeding the troll |
| 03:43.28 | welson | fuzzyBSc, it's I think better to first set-selections just in case |
| 03:43.41 | DebianUX | so Ubuntu copied Debian's installer then :-) |
| 03:43.49 | markybob | xoz do you understand that he's doing a school project? he's not just talking out of his ass to be talking. there is a difference |
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| 03:44.04 | mal1 | eps: the line seems fuzzy to me, I always assumed the core debian user was system admins |
| 03:44.11 | DebianUX | I thought is was ubuntu that made it, obviously not |
| 03:44.15 | eps | mal1 depends, I wouldn't say so |
| 03:44.25 | eps | DebianUX ubuntu is a fork of the complete debian code base |
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| 03:44.39 | eps | give or take :P |
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| 03:44.43 | xoz | markybob: really? |
| 03:44.54 | cheal | DebianUX: heh. there's a reason its name is "debian-installer" |
| 03:45.02 | DebianUX | heh |
| 03:45.06 | mal1 | eps: so a lot of people use debian for the desktop? |
| 03:45.12 | DebianUX | ubuntu is slower, thats for sure |
| 03:45.13 | eps | mal1 yes |
| 03:45.21 | erich | mal1: lots of sysadmins also use debian on their desktop, yes. |
| 03:45.26 | markybob | mall you can assume that most of us do |
| 03:45.39 | mal1 | anyone know where I can find debian user demographics? |
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| 03:45.42 | DebianUX | the net install is a great idea |
| 03:45.43 | mal1 | is it somewhere on the debian site? |
| 03:45.52 | cheal | mal1: no |
| 03:46.02 | xoz | !search google for debian demographic |
| 03:46.03 | fuzzyBSc | welson: I'm not sure I follow... |
| 03:46.04 | eps | linux purists and advanced users would be my guess |
| 03:46.09 | dpkg | Google says debian demographic is at http://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2002/03/msg00050.html or http://lists.debian.org/debian-i18n/2002/03/msg00019.html or http://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2002/03/msg00069.html or http://lists.debian.org/debian-i18n/2002/03/msg00021.html or http://lists.debian.org/debian-i18n/2002/03/msg00023.html |
| 03:46.17 | fuzzyBSc | I've just tweaked the line to only include installed packages. |
| 03:46.18 | cheal | DebianUX: oh, that must be why I'm doing one :) |
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| 03:46.40 | markybob | xoz although it's nice that you know how to use dpkg, those first few links really give no info :) |
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| 03:47.05 | DebianUX | yer, nice boot iso and then fech what packages you want |
| 03:47.13 | eps | mmm bbl |
| 03:47.24 | DebianUX | glad it's gnome as well :-) |
| 03:47.38 | mal1 | xoz: well, you guys are the users |
| 03:49.03 | erich | eps: "purists" will probably go with source-based distros. |
| 03:49.12 | xoz | mal1: but you are asking pretty obvious questions. just do your work... do research. use the power of searching. |
| 03:49.23 | strider22 | The wheel on my mouse doesn't work. Google keeps turning up XFconfig changes to make. I've done that & it doesn't work. Does gnome use the X settings? |
| 03:49.26 | mal1 | xoz: technically this would be research =) |
| 03:49.42 | mal1 | xoz: perhaps not the best method, i admit |
| 03:49.43 | DebianUX | any gnome-2.12 packages about? |
| 03:49.48 | xoz | mal1: technically, you are wasting our energy. |
| 03:49.50 | erich | DebianUX: in experimental |
| 03:50.15 | markybob | xoz then /ignore |
| 03:50.31 | erich | strider22: yep, neither kde nor gnome messes with your mouse. some apps just don't understand wheel events (like netscape 4) but the major toolkits like qt and gtk do. |
| 03:50.34 | DebianUX | erich, can I get them through synaptic? |
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| 03:50.55 | cheal | DebianUX: if you have to ask, you don't want to |
| 03:50.56 | erich | strider22: "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" or -xorg, depending on what you use, should ask you if you want to use a wheel mouse. |
| 03:51.12 | DebianUX | erich, that bad? |
| 03:51.16 | erich | DebianUX: experimental is, well, more experimental than unstable. |
| 03:51.25 | erich | they conflict with lots of stuff, e.g. KDE. |
| 03:51.26 | eps | erich purists with lots of time maybe :P ...but really for mainstream linux you have a choice of lfs/gentoo/debian for purists with no time, and who'd want to be a gentoo ricer :P |
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| 03:51.41 | xoz | markybob: this is about policy in the channel. if we encourage this kind of question.. other people will follow instead of asking *smart* questions |
| 03:51.53 | DebianUX | when will they be stable? |
| 03:52.00 | strider22 | erich: so gnome uses X settings. When I restart Xdm it isn't in use. |
| 03:52.03 | fuzzyBSc | Ok, I'm going to have to drop to the prompt to finish this off... |
| 03:52.04 | fuzzyBSc | cya. |
| 03:52.12 | cheal | DebianUX: next release |
| 03:52.23 | markybob | xoz i dont see us *not* answer other questions |
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| 03:52.54 | xoz | !poll |
| 03:52.54 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
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| 03:53.27 | erich | strider22: probably you did something incorrectly with the manual xfconfig changes. just use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" |
| 03:53.49 | markybob | xoz you're humorous, but you're wasting the precious time that you're say you're trying to preserve. doesnt make an awful lot of sense |
| 03:53.50 | erich | DebianUX: when they are tested enough. |
| 03:54.00 | DebianUX | ok |
| 03:54.19 | cheal | strider22: did you edit XF86Config-4 manually? |
| 03:54.19 | DebianUX | I just love latest know :-) |
| 03:54.25 | DebianUX | gnome |
| 03:54.50 | Fackamato | hm, is there any other difference between testing and unstable other than that testing doesn't get the security updates as fast as unstable? |
| 03:55.00 | Guerin | xoz: *shock! horror!* |
| 03:55.10 | markybob | heh |
| 03:55.14 | xoz | Guerin: heh |
| 03:55.21 | markybob | Fackamato, unstable is more unstable. most of the time :) |
| 03:55.21 | iccomputing | xoz you still here? |
| 03:55.27 | xoz | iccomputing: yep |
| 03:55.34 | Fackamato | markybob: hehe okay |
| 03:55.43 | harfooz | hi all -- I've got a different dvd/cd burner on the way to replace this teac that sarge just doesn't want to work with. What all will I need to do after installing the new burner? Is there a typical kind of routine to follow when swapping out hardware like this? |
| 03:55.43 | DebianUX | brb |
| 03:55.43 | cheal | Fackamato: what do you think? ;) |
| 03:55.44 | Fackamato | but testing is quite stable for use (not on a server) ? |
| 03:55.47 | strider22 | erich: I'm hoping those values presented by dpkg-reconfigure are the current ones. Or am I mucking it up? |
| 03:55.51 | cheal | Fackamato: yes |
| 03:55.54 | markybob | Fackamato, most of the time |
| 03:55.56 | iccomputing | i think i figured something out |
| 03:56.03 | Fackamato | allright, cool |
| 03:56.11 | xoz | iccomputing: continue... |
| 03:56.12 | erich | strider22: not if you modified the file manually. |
| 03:56.22 | strider22 | erich: no |
| 03:56.40 | strider22 | erich: ok I keep going |
| 03:56.49 | iccomputing | xoz: i tried the apt-cache got the kernel version and its asking me for cdrom .. says media change? |
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| 03:56.59 | erich | strider22: oh, and make sure you pick the right mouse protocol. pure PS/2 doesn't include mouse support IIRC. |
| 03:57.27 | xoz | iccomputing: your /etc/apt/sources.list points to cdrom instead of http site. |
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| 03:57.35 | iccomputing | xoz: it asked me after i tried "apt-get instal kernel-image-2.6.3-1-386 |
| 03:57.46 | strider22 | erich: and the video card's bus identifier? |
| 03:57.52 | xoz | iccomputing: if you have the cdrom for debian, place it in the drive |
| 03:57.53 | iccomputing | r omg..how do i change that!? |
| 03:58.02 | xoz | iccomputing: try apt-setup |
| 03:58.18 | iccomputing | i installed from a cd that i have had for a little bit =( |
| 03:58.27 | erich | strider22: what does the message say? |
| 03:58.28 | iccomputing | i had a feeling the kernel was old.. |
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| 03:58.45 | usuario | how i can isntall the "free oracle" on debian |
| 03:59.03 | strider22 | erich: it is asking for the video card's bus identifier.. |
| 03:59.13 | iccomputing | r http? ftp? |
| 03:59.16 | erich | strider22: and, what does it say if your read everything? |
| 03:59.24 | usuario | i just installed with "alien", but i think to be necesary more dabase configuration |
| 03:59.36 | usuario | how i can install the "free oracle" on debian? |
| 03:59.39 | iccomputing | how do you reply to a msg without typing the whole name in here? |
| 03:59.40 | cheal | usuario: ask to oracle support |
| 03:59.41 | liable | strider22: you can just hit enter for that, while leaving it blank |
| 03:59.44 | Guerin | usuario: ask oracle |
| 03:59.47 | erich | something like "you need this if you have a powerpc or multiple video cards in one pc"? |
| 03:59.50 | Guerin | usuario: we neither know nor care |
| 03:59.54 | xoz | iccomputing: yep. maybe you need the 2.6 kernel. you can try knoppix though to check if both drives are detected. latest knoppix use the latest kernel and has good hw detection. if you just want to mount and backup the ntfs partitions, knoppix maybe is the easiest route. |
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| 04:00.15 | strider22 | erich, liable: Can I hold you "liable"? ok.. |
| 04:00.33 | Hackel | Does anyone know a way to get a recursive file listing sorted by date/time? |
| 04:00.54 | xoz | iccomputing: but if you wanna play with debian, try apt-setup, install the new kernel.. then reboot. also apt-get install hotplug. |
| 04:00.55 | iccomputing | xoz: well hmm..i have no blanks or rw's ..whats a method to choose? |
| 04:01.01 | Guerin | Hackel: ls -l and awk |
| 04:01.08 | erich | strider22: I've never seen a machine where I needed to fill that value. But it was pre-filled quite often. |
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| 04:01.37 | usuario | oracle dont have a good install-manual |
| 04:01.46 | Guerin | usuario: sucks to use oracle, then |
| 04:01.59 | usuario | but i want to tray |
| 04:02.12 | Guerin | usuario: nobody's stopping you. |
| 04:02.23 | iccomputing | xoz: well..im getting the apt sources now...so.. |
| 04:02.44 | oracle-user | oracle now is free, not opensource almos |
| 04:02.50 | oracle-user | almost |
| 04:02.58 | iccomputing | any one here use solaris at all? |
| 04:03.08 | xoz | iccomputing: apt-get install hotplug. apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.7 or the latest one... then, reboot. |
| 04:03.21 | iccomputing | xoz: affirmative |
| 04:03.31 | Guerin | oracle-user: that's bullshit |
| 04:03.41 | strider22 | erich: ok I'm at choose mouse - it was ps2 so I'm going for mouseman as per the web searches |
| 04:03.53 | cheal | xoz: 2.6.7? ;) |
| 04:04.02 | erich | streuner: i havn't seen a mouseman mouse in ages. my logitech wheelmouse is PS/2 |
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| 04:04.09 | xoz | 2.6.3? |
| 04:04.17 | xoz | is the latest in sarge? |
| 04:04.23 | cheal | xoz: use 2.6.15 like real men! |
| 04:04.28 | cheal | 2.6.8 |
| 04:04.55 | xoz | iccomputing: 2.6.8 is available in sarge as cheal says |
| 04:05.14 | iccomputing | xoz: thank you |
| 04:05.19 | oracle-user | i think, oracle is on a good way to be "open-source or gnu" in 2 years |
| 04:05.35 | cheal | oracle-user: yeah, feel free to discuss that on slashdot |
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| 04:06.18 | oracle-user | i only want to install on my Debian |
| 04:07.35 | iccomputing | hmmm....when i configured my apt-get source.list, where should i get from?? |
| 04:07.59 | xoz | iccomputing: apt-setup. is it not available? |
| 04:08.41 | iccomputing | xoz: it worked but now its taking forever to connect to ftp.debian.org to get hotplug |
| 04:09.05 | b4rt | i like http://debian.mirrors.tds.net/debian/ |
| 04:09.06 | xoz | iccomputing: are you sure your internet connection is working on that system? |
| 04:09.19 | strider22 | erich: init.d/gdm restart? |
| 04:09.33 | iccomputing | xoz: yes, pings google |
| 04:09.48 | xoz | iccomputing: try other sites recommended by apt-setup |
| 04:09.53 | iccomputing | b4rt: thnx |
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| 04:10.22 | b4rt | it's fast, especially over multiple connections |
| 04:10.41 | kingsley | Why does debhelper set the channel limit? |
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| 04:11.28 | cheal | why is pppoeconf not on etch d-i beta 1 netinst? is there another decent way to configure PPPoE? |
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| 04:11.31 | skypa | greetings |
| 04:12.02 | skypa | is it possible to tell my router to send a certain html file to a client sending a http request for the first time? :) |
| 04:13.01 | iccomputing | xoz: found one...getting hotplug |
| 04:13.17 | iccomputing | xoz: now kernel and then reboot? |
| 04:13.26 | xoz | iccomputing: yep. |
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| 04:15.22 | iccomputing | xoz: if this doesnt work, i am driving to walmart and getting 100 cds and I will find knoppix or some other distro that will werk damnit! |
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| 04:21.44 | iccomputing | why can I only see kernel 2.6 when i apt-cache search kernel-image? |
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| 04:22.17 | cheal | iccomputing: which architecture do you run? |
| 04:22.32 | iccomputing | x86 |
| 04:22.49 | cheal | iccomputing: show your sources.list |
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| 04:24.14 | iccomputing | cheal: /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 04:24.27 | cheal | iccomputing: yes |
| 04:25.06 | iccomputing | permission denied |
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| 04:25.35 | cheal | iccomputing: hum, for which command? |
| 04:26.02 | iccomputing | cheal: for etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:26.10 | iccomputing | but i think i know a work around |
| 04:26.17 | iccomputing | i went to apt-setup |
| 04:26.20 | cheal | iccomputing: that's a file, not a workaround |
| 04:26.28 | cheal | uh |
| 04:26.32 | cheal | a file, not a command |
| 04:26.35 | markybob | iccomputing, are you trying to execute it? |
| 04:26.42 | iccomputing | cheal: oh..well i went into it and went to edit sources by hand.. |
| 04:26.47 | cheal | I need to go soon, my brain is dying :) |
| 04:27.11 | skypa | sleep is overrated |
| 04:27.17 | iccomputing | markeybob: yes. i am in it and looking at the http://security.debian.org |
| 04:27.25 | cheal | skypa: did I say something about sleep? |
| 04:27.46 | iccomputing | cheal: i know my sources, i just picked new ones |
| 04:27.59 | skypa | well, if not sleep.. where do you go where your brain does not suffer from dying? :Þ |
| 04:28.23 | cheal | skypa: leaving #debian often helps :) |
| 04:28.32 | Gnea | hrm |
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| 04:32.01 | linux-noob | how do I use the ftp packeage? |
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| 04:33.21 | Gnea | linux-noob: type 'ftp' and hit enter |
| 04:33.53 | Gnea | linux-noob: without the quotes |
| 04:34.29 | linux-noob | Gnea: Is there an ftp server package? |
| 04:34.40 | Gnea | linux-noob: there are many. |
| 04:35.05 | Gnea | linux-noob: do you have X up and running? |
| 04:35.18 | linux-noob | yes |
| 04:35.41 | iccomputing | omg..its gone..im just gonna install from mirror. |
| 04:35.58 | Gnea | linux-noob: install synaptic and run that, in X, as root. there you will be able to locate all of the ftp server packages available |
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| 04:38.19 | linux-noob | Oh! That helps alot. Thanks :) |
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| 04:41.22 | skypa | why do all former simple movieplayer develop into bloated monsters -.- |
| 04:41.54 | liable | people always want more features? |
| 04:42.20 | skypa | people are stupid |
| 04:42.31 | iccomputing | hha |
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| 04:42.35 | iccomputing | true |
| 04:43.41 | linux-noob | Synaptic makes apt way better than emerge |
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| 04:44.55 | linux-noob | what's the command to reload the panels in gnome |
| 04:45.02 | markybob | killall gnome-panel |
| 04:45.20 | linux-noob | thanks |
| 04:45.25 | andreiutz | what's the command for seeing all the output from the boot process |
| 04:45.27 | andreiutz | ? |
| 04:45.32 | skypa | dmesg |
| 04:45.50 | andreiutz | skypa, thanks very much |
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| 04:46.10 | skypa | yw, /var/log/ might also be worth sneaking a peak |
| 04:46.32 | shai | how would i make a script; for all files i in current directory run "bla <filei>" |
| 04:46.40 | skypa | *peek |
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| 04:46.50 | dondelelcaro | shai: for a in ls; do bla $a; done |
| 04:47.01 | shai | dondelelcaro, thanks |
| 04:47.24 | dondelelcaro | possibly also find . -type f -maxdepth 1 -print0 |xargs -0 -n 1 bla; |
| 04:47.32 | dondelelcaro | in any case, man find, man xargs, man bash. |
| 04:48.02 | linux-noob | how do I use/setup ftpd or what's a good site that explain that? |
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| 04:48.33 | [11aa] | Hello I have a questio about xserver mga-mil/2/hp5 video card is on the 2nd pci slot, What would be the correct bus identifier PCI:0:10:0 to report |
| 04:49.06 | kingsley | skypa: for x in $(ls .) ; do $x <filei> ; done |
| 04:49.32 | skypa | yeah well, I didn't really ask for that, but I'll keep that in mind kingsley :Þ |
| 04:50.01 | kingsley | skypa: Oops. My mistake. |
| 04:50.13 | skypa | :} |
| 04:50.17 | Tortel | Goodnight |
| 04:50.19 | kingsley | shai: for x in $(ls .) ; do $x <filei> ; done |
| 04:50.24 | skypa | nite |
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| 04:50.31 | iccomputing | is there a default mirc program in the gnome package? |
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| 04:50.54 | skypa | ew, what the heck is a mirc program? |
| 04:50.57 | markybob | iccomputing, you mean irc? |
| 04:51.10 | iccomputing | yep that |
| 04:51.13 | markybob | iccomputing, you probably want xchat |
| 04:51.32 | iccomputing | do i need to apt-get? |
| 04:51.43 | skypa | you might whistle, maybe it comes to you |
| 04:51.53 | shai | kingsley, hmm it gives me a syntax error |
| 04:52.01 | markybob | iccomputing, if it's not in applications->internet, then yes |
| 04:52.20 | kingsley | shai: I'll be happy to help you in the channel named #bash. |
| 04:52.27 | markybob | shai what dondelelcaro told you didnt work? |
| 04:52.39 | shai | markybob, no it didn't do anything.... weird... |
| 04:53.00 | andreiutz | i have a problem with my keyboard . i installed debain 10 days ago for the first time and it was all ok . 3 days ago i bought a new keyboard(logitech) , i put it on the debian box and it was ok . today i rebooted and the keyboard is functioning until the login manager runs . when the login manager runs the keyboard is dead but the mouse is functioning and all the other services (ssh, etc) |
| 04:53.09 | andreiutz | can somebody help ,e ? |
| 04:53.14 | andreiutz | can somebody help me ? |
| 04:53.15 | markybob | shai try "for x in *; do blah $x; done" no quotes |
| 04:53.43 | shai | marybob, that worked; thanks! |
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| 04:54.05 | kingsley | andreiutz: I suspect that your X needs to be reconfigured. |
| 04:54.16 | [11aa] | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:54.20 | markybob | andreiutz, did you go from ps2 to usb or something? |
| 04:54.27 | andreiutz | no |
| 04:54.31 | andreiutz | ps2 |
| 04:54.35 | andreiutz | it was |
| 04:54.36 | kingsley | andreiutz: But I find myself wondering why you replaced the keyboard. |
| 04:54.50 | andreiutz | it was ugly |
| 04:55.04 | andreiutz | ok |
| 04:55.22 | andreiutz | me 2 |
| 04:55.26 | [11aa] | no more coffee around keyboards :-) |
| 04:55.26 | kingsley | andreiutz: What [11aa] said. |
| 04:55.35 | andreiutz | i diid that |
| 04:55.44 | andreiutz | and it didn't help |
| 04:55.45 | salahuddin | hello, my sound is not working perfectally sound become narrow and fast in sid how to restart sound ! any hint |
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| 04:56.07 | kingsley | andreiutz: Did you restart X after dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
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| 04:56.31 | andreiutz | kingsley, i restarted all the system |
| 04:56.43 | andreiutz | i'll try that one more tim |
| 04:56.45 | andreiutz | e |
| 04:57.11 | andreiutz | or if you want to see my xf85conf |
| 04:57.25 | [11aa] | this pci stuff on an old system is really a challenge |
| 04:57.28 | kingsley | salahuddin: /usr/doc/HOWTO/Sound-HOWTO may help. |
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| 04:59.00 | salahuddin | kingsley: ok |
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| 04:59.16 | Fackamato | yeah! |
| 04:59.19 | Fackamato | successfully upgraded to testing :-) |
| 04:59.28 | Fackamato | had to recompile my kernel with gcc4, but that went flawless |
| 04:59.34 | Fackamato | I love makekpkg :-) |
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| 05:00.09 | Fackamato | hoyl shit it's 6am nn |
| 05:00.15 | [11aa] | Hello I have a questio about xserver mga-mil/2/hp5 video card is on the 2nd pci slot |
| 05:01.11 | [11aa] | In the section device what will the correct BusID be? |
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| 05:01.21 | dondelelcaro | [11aa]: lspci to figure that out. |
| 05:01.30 | dondelelcaro | [11aa]: pci ids don't always correspond to slots. |
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| 05:02.50 | [11aa] | Do i edit "lspci" in the BusID line instead of the "PCI:01:0:0" ? |
| 05:03.54 | dondelelcaro | no, you use the output of lspci to figure out what the proper busid is to enter in the BusID line. |
| 05:04.45 | [11aa] | dondelelcaro: Ahh ok let me try it out |
| 05:04.52 | SimonRaven | it's *ls*pci, not editpci |
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| 05:06.38 | [11aa] | Yep i have a signal: it says 00:0a.0 VGA compa... etc (So thas what I write in the BusID ..right? |
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| 05:07.03 | dondelelcaro | [11aa]: it'll actually be PCI:00:10:0, but yes. |
| 05:07.03 | hlprmnky | Question: does dpkg-the-bot have any good topics for people who upgraded kernels and udev versions recently, and now everything in /dev is root:root 0660? |
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| 05:07.20 | [11aa] | ok |
| 05:07.23 | dondelelcaro | hlprmnky: probably not, but that sounds like a udev bug; tried the BTS? |
| 05:07.57 | hlprmnky | not yet; I always assume user error until proven otherwise. :D |
| 05:08.18 | nekostar | er |
| 05:08.27 | nekostar | i was reading something just now... |
| 05:08.27 | linux-noob | What's the easiest ftp server package? |
| 05:08.56 | nekostar | i was wondering if someone could explain if linux/debian is my operating system or if its gnome/kde/xfce [what i have installed] |
| 05:09.14 | nekostar | linux-noob, i found proftpd very flexable and easy |
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| 05:09.33 | linux-noob | ok, thanks |
| 05:10.16 | dondelelcaro | nekostar: your operating system is generally Debian GNU/Linux; possibly with the addition of whatever applications and/or desktop you've got installed. |
| 05:10.25 | hlprmnky | nekostar: depending on your level of pedagogy-compliance, you're running GNU/Linux (Debian distribution of), Debian, or "Lie-nucks" |
| 05:10.27 | dondelelcaro | nekostar: when people talk OS, they generally mean kernel+major libraries. |
| 05:10.52 | nekostar | ah |
| 05:10.53 | Nightshade | nekostar: linux is the kernel of the OS. gnome/kde/xfce is just a window manager that sits on top of the X window server |
| 05:10.58 | nekostar | let me get the reference artical |
| 05:11.01 | Nightshade | at least that's how i see it |
| 05:11.22 | nekostar | http://dot.kde.org/1131711558/ <<-- was what confused me :P |
| 05:11.57 | hlprmnky | this is a common misconception because since the other OS examples people have in our current world (Windows >= win95, macOS) don't differentiate between "OS" and "window manager" |
| 05:11.58 | nekostar | yeah i was thinking that debian is my os, the kernel of choice uname -r kernel and gnome/kde/etc as my flavor kinda XD |
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| 05:12.16 | andreiutz | re all |
| 05:12.22 | nekostar | hrm |
| 05:12.31 | andreiutz | just made a restart the keyboard isn't working |
| 05:12.40 | nekostar | in any case im loving what i have.. i appreciate the help in understanding ~_^ |
| 05:12.42 | hlprmnky | you can't run different window managers "on" windows in the same way as you can run gnome or kde or waimea or twm on Linux |
| 05:12.50 | nekostar | yeah |
| 05:13.01 | [11aa] | dondelelcaro: Thank you its alive! |
| 05:13.03 | Nightshade | sure win32 has a window manager, explorer... if you wanna call it a window manager. :P |
| 05:13.07 | nekostar | they have some different ['kernels'] but its not a true difference as i recall |
| 05:13.21 | hlprmnky | well, sorta |
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| 05:13.26 | Nightshade | but that's it's own little thing |
| 05:13.28 | nekostar | just looks a little different the programs are still the same |
| 05:13.29 | nekostar | yeah |
| 05:13.34 | nekostar | meh |
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| 05:13.51 | hlprmnky | since win3.11 for workgroups though, you haven't been able to boot to a prompt and type 'windows' |
| 05:13.56 | nekostar | im moving from windows to linux more and more as i learn how to deal with my own incompetence more and more :D |
| 05:14.02 | hlprmnky | hehe |
| 05:14.07 | Nightshade | hehe... shell=litestep.exe on my laptop |
| 05:14.08 | hlprmnky | welcome to The Great Road |
| 05:14.12 | nekostar | hean |
| 05:14.14 | nekostar | er yeah |
| 05:14.28 | nekostar | shell but they called it kernel i thought last i checked :P |
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| 05:14.33 | dusk | SUP |
| 05:14.40 | Nightshade | it's what made my move from windows to linux a lot smoother |
| 05:14.40 | nekostar | are there any 3-d ones for linux yet? sup dusk |
| 05:14.50 | dusk | is gravity here? |
| 05:15.01 | nekostar | gravity, seems to be in the builllding |
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| 05:15.13 | nekostar | according to nickcomplete active? /whois gravity |
| 05:15.14 | nekostar | lol |
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| 05:15.21 | andreiutz | i have a problem with my keyboard . when the x login manager screen apears the keyboard dies . i did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but it behaves the same . help |
| 05:15.30 | dusk | yea but is he at his computer |
| 05:15.34 | nekostar | Nightshade, the hardest part for me is converting avi/divx >> dvd |
| 05:15.46 | nekostar | but there are things for that im just learing how to use |
| 05:15.48 | dusk | andreiutz: what kind of keyboard are you using |
| 05:15.53 | andreiutz | ps2 |
| 05:15.57 | andreiutz | logitech |
| 05:15.57 | nekostar | everything else i do on a day to day is there and fairly accessable |
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| 05:16.01 | andreiutz | 10 $ |
| 05:16.04 | dusk | its set to that, correct? |
| 05:16.10 | nekostar | hum |
| 05:16.16 | dusk | (default/PS2) |
| 05:16.28 | andreiutz | wait a sec ti check |
| 05:16.31 | nekostar | and i must say i get better performance by far so im not complllaining XD |
| 05:16.35 | nekostar | -ll |
| 05:16.49 | linux-noob | nekostar: How do I use proftpd? |
| 05:17.11 | nekostar | well there is the easy way and the hard way |
| 05:17.19 | nekostar | check out the manuals and forums for it as i recall |
| 05:17.38 | nekostar | but essentially you can add user shells on server and that shell can use ftp |
| 05:17.47 | nekostar | you can then chroot those users |
| 05:18.01 | nekostar | and have a common area thats accessable to a group and add each user to a group |
| 05:18.02 | nekostar | OR |
| 05:18.16 | Nightshade | nekostar: i'm running Ubuntu, I use Synaptic package manager, basically a frontend to apt-get, and I've found a few nifty converters, but I'm not quite satisified. |
| 05:18.26 | nekostar | you can make fake users [no shells] which is a bit harder .... i bartered space/bandwidth last time i had that set up for me |
| 05:18.33 | andreiutz | dusk, what now ? |
| 05:18.34 | Nightshade | nekostar: i'm still looking though. I Won't give up. |
| 05:18.45 | Nightshade | although i do like dvd::rip |
| 05:18.47 | nekostar | Nightshade, i came here from ubuntu :P |
| 05:19.02 | nekostar | well this is a bit offtopic for this room i think BUT |
| 05:19.24 | nekostar | its easy to rip a dvd and its easy to burn a dvd and there ARE things to use for converting random files etc etc |
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| 05:20.06 | nekostar | just the how to's i found via google were good but a bit incomplete and at a few hours a try kinda a pain to figure out what i did wrong.. which means only that ill mess with it when i have more time ~_^ |
| 05:20.18 | Nightshade | hmmm, i've been looking for a project to do... maybe in the next few weeks i'll get brave and start a divx/xvid -> dvd converter. |
| 05:20.21 | nekostar | but i came back to pure debian b/c it runs faster on my comp |
| 05:20.29 | nekostar | o.O |
| 05:20.38 | nekostar | that would be very popular lol |
| 05:20.43 | andreiutz | i have a problem with my keyboard . when the x login manager screen apears the keyboard dies . i did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but it behaves the same . help ! |
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| 05:21.05 | Nightshade | should i do it as and X interface or curses? |
| 05:21.07 | nekostar | hum |
| 05:21.32 | nekostar | frankly i like interface.. but someone might write an interface if you make it curses |
| 05:21.45 | nekostar | and curses would have the added advantage of being able to convert remotely |
| 05:21.46 | nekostar | :P |
| 05:22.02 | Nightshade | curses would give it a tad bit more speed |
| 05:22.23 | Nightshade | but not necessarily for the conversion process |
| 05:22.24 | nekostar | none of the servers i had at data centers did i ever set up to boot graphically |
| 05:22.47 | nekostar | which reminds me i need to get another one >_< |
| 05:23.49 | Nightshade | hehe, i'm trying to convince one of my friends at Work to give me his Mac G3 so i can do some cross-platform development. |
| 05:24.14 | nekostar | make ya a deal though Nightshade: make something that works either form and ill get a site to host it :P |
| 05:24.36 | Nightshade | nifty |
| 05:25.02 | nekostar | lemme see here |
| 05:25.15 | Nightshade | now to ponder what i want to code it in. |
| 05:25.28 | nekostar | i found a few front ends before let me rummage around a bit for them again to give you something to chew on >_> |
| 05:25.39 | Nightshade | yum |
| 05:25.57 | Nightshade | just hook me up With some ketchup too |
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| 05:26.37 | WE_R_DNA | where is the systems bootup menu located. something like lilo or grub |
| 05:26.49 | welson | WE_R_DNA man lilo |
| 05:26.58 | WE_R_DNA | does 3.1 use lilo? |
| 05:27.12 | nekostar | lol |
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| 05:27.32 | welson | WE_R_DNA "man lilo" is a command, in a term box, you can use tkman for X's gui |
| 05:27.59 | hlprmnky | okay, new question |
| 05:28.06 | Nightshade | hmmm, i should come back in xchat |
| 05:28.20 | Nightshade | bx is a pain in my @$$ |
| 05:28.23 | Nightshade | brb |
| 05:28.37 | hlprmnky | I recently upgraded to x.org. I have the filthy, filthy proprietary nvidia driver |
| 05:29.18 | hlprmnky | and it seems now that I can only run X 1) immediately after re-running the nvidia installer, and 2) with root permissions (via being root or sudo) |
| 05:29.56 | WE_R_DNA | where would the boot menu file be located ? |
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| 05:30.07 | welson | hlprmnky, the non-propertiary is "nv" driver, check you X-config (/etc/X11/xorg.conf?) |
| 05:30.22 | Supaplex | did you use the debian based nvidia installer, or direct from nvidia? |
| 05:30.25 | WE_R_DNA | the one that reads root (hd0,0) |
| 05:30.25 | WE_R_DNA | kernel /finalscratch/fskernel init=/linuxrc root=/dev/ram console=/dev/tty1 |
| 05:30.29 | welson | WE_R_DNA the manual will tell you, at least it should |
| 05:30.43 | WE_R_DNA | I do not have lilo installed, so i must of used something else |
| 05:30.59 | welson | WE_R_DNA that's not debian, you should consult with whatever #distro-chan |
| 05:31.15 | hlprmnky | Supaplex: directly from nvidia. Last time I did The Great Dist-Upgradening there wasn't a debian-specific one |
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| 05:31.37 | WE_R_DNA | found it |
| 05:31.47 | WE_R_DNA | located /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 05:31.49 | WE_R_DNA | :) |
| 05:33.18 | hlprmnky | welson: are you suggesting that I try with nv and make sure it's not nvidia's problem? :P |
| 05:34.03 | welson | hlprmnky, "nv" is non-prop, "nvidia" if it's the modification you made or the nvidia installer that did so, should be the thing to replace in your config |
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| 05:34.22 | Nightshade | grr |
| 05:34.23 | welson | hlprmnky, I'm assuming you don't want 'nvidia' |
| 05:34.34 | Nightshade | i don't feel like setting up xchat right now |
| 05:34.36 | Nightshade | bx works |
| 05:34.39 | stazich | hi, i need to know the command on how to reconfigure the X server |
| 05:34.53 | [11aa] | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:35.07 | Supaplex | hlprmnky: many lashings for you. I did that on accident, and had to erradicate all nvida from my system, and obtain the debian helper script or whatever it is. it's been ages. |
| 05:35.34 | stazich | thx |
| 05:35.58 | [11aa] | stazich: hope it helps , be sure to have all the info ready |
| 05:36.14 | nekostar | bx? |
| 05:36.25 | nekostar | never used that one... is that a bui based or curses? |
| 05:36.43 | hlprmnky | welson: sadly, I live in a world that hungers for hardware 3d acceleration more than it thirsts for Freedom |
| 05:37.07 | nite613 | hehe, me hungers for better hardware acceleration so he can play Civ 4 :P |
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| 05:37.20 | welson | hlprmnky, if nvidia is giving problems, give a #$%#$% report to release their source open-- on top of giving them bug complaints |
| 05:37.26 | hlprmnky | Supaplex: well, it's *been* working fine. I'm still not convinced this isn't being caused by my udev wonkiness |
| 05:37.54 | welson | hlprmnky, in that case find out how to use a text editor and set your "AGPxxxx" options in the x file |
| 05:37.58 | hlprmnky | cf: after my recent 1.2G of dist-upgrade mortal users can't read from /dev/random or write to /dev/null |
| 05:38.13 | Supaplex | there are reasons the debian way wrapped nvidias installer. it prevents the installer from stepping on crap it shoundl't mess with. |
| 05:39.08 | catalyst_ | Hi, anyone know of any good tools able to read Copy Protected Control audio cd in linux? my dvd drive not able to READ/PLAY it. |
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| 05:39.33 | hlprmnky | eh, I'm sure it's something dumb I did. Thankfully text editors don't really pose much of a difficulty to me, so if I can just induce Google to spit out a reference to someone having had a similar problem to mine, I should be all set |
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| 05:41.12 | welson | hlprmnky, I thought you know your statements should be in the form of an assumption--> check your logs to see that it is "nvidia" it was trying to use, it may later have reverted to using "nv" |
| 05:41.19 | iccomputing | anyone able to help me install xchat? |
| 05:41.28 | welson | hlprmnky, do not assume, always check your logs :) |
| 05:41.32 | WE_R_DNA | How do I label my boot to hdd1 in menu.lst for the grub boot menu screen? |
| 05:41.34 | WE_R_DNA | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1091 |
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| 05:42.12 | welson | WE_R_DNA: man lilo, it tells you, for the 3rd time.. it tells you |
| 05:42.27 | welson | WE_R_DNA, or man grub, |
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| 05:43.37 | hlprmnky | welson: no, no I know I am using 'nvidia' and not 'nv' |
| 05:43.39 | hlprmnky | that's never been in doubt |
| 05:44.35 | welson | hlprmnky: well then, you should ask #logs channel, they'll tell you you're an idiot |
| 05:44.54 | gravity | hlprmnky: What's your issue?\ |
| 05:45.04 | stazich | hey, is there a Samba config in X? |
| 05:45.15 | gravity | wtf |
| 05:45.21 | welson | gravity, he wants to know what's wrong with his proprietary driver, I'm suggesting he use "nv" instead |
| 05:46.01 | dusk | gravity |
| 05:46.06 | gravity | dusk: What's up? |
| 05:46.16 | dusk | gravity: nada, e tu |
| 05:46.21 | gravity | dusk: Nada |
| 05:46.23 | Gumby | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:46.27 | welson | stazich, me saw something about ncurses and samba, apt-cache search <> |
| 05:46.30 | gravity | dusk: Just got back from finale. You ever been there? |
| 05:46.42 | dusk | gravity: yea, but not at your level |
| 05:46.50 | hlprmnky | welson: thanks for that careful analysis, I really think we were just talking past each other a little |
| 05:46.52 | gravity | dusk: At my level? |
| 05:46.59 | dusk | gravity: arent you in a PhD? |
| 05:47.11 | gravity | dusk: Yeah... but I don't get it. It's a desert place... |
| 05:47.13 | welson | Gumby, y, just boot the new kernel, and make install, modprobe <mod> then reboot.. |
| 05:47.18 | gravity | Maybe I'm just tired and slow... |
| 05:47.24 | Kluster_v2 | stazich, smbconftool or swat |
| 05:47.32 | WE_R_DNA | http://www.linuxforums.org/tutorials/1/tutorial-19999.html <-- this how to was of great help deciphering the #'s |
| 05:47.44 | dusk | gravity: haha i thought you said final |
| 05:47.49 | gravity | Ah :-) |
| 05:47.51 | welson | Gumby, you may have to issue 'depmod' if modprobe can't probe the mod |
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| 05:48.00 | dusk | and no, ive never even heard of finale |
| 05:48.00 | WE_R_DNA | /dev/hdd1 (hd3,0) Second hard disk on second IDE cable, first partition |
| 05:48.01 | gravity | dusk: No, the fancy shmancy desert place. It's awesome, but pricey |
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| 05:48.11 | dusk | gravity: where at? |
| 05:48.17 | hlprmnky | but I did try 'nv' and determined that I can get X up under the free driver but I am also having other problems, with which I shan't trouble you |
| 05:48.25 | gravity | dusk: There's one in park plaza and one in Harvard Square |
| 05:48.31 | WE_R_DNA | root (hd3,0) |
| 05:48.33 | WE_R_DNA | kernel /finalscratch/fskernel init=/linuxrc root=/dev/ram console=/dev/tty1 |
| 05:48.38 | DebianUX | anyone using reiser4? |
| 05:48.54 | Gumby | welson: all I need is the single module. I havnt compiled the source yet. I am running a stock debien kernel |
| 05:49.00 | Gumby | precompiled |
| 05:49.02 | gravity | hlprmnky: You should really use the nvidia-glx package instead of the driver from the nvidia site |
| 05:49.08 | gravity | hlprmnky: It'll work much better usually |
| 05:49.14 | welson | hlprmnky, well you've never stated your problem then, you really are a waste of time you know |
| 05:49.29 | gravity | welson: Just use /ignore please |
| 05:49.34 | hlprmnky | gravity: I'll try my best |
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| 05:49.44 | gravity | hlprmnky: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner for more info |
| 05:49.50 | gravity | Or maybe one-liner, not sure |
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| 05:50.27 | Gumby | nvidia one-liner |
| 05:50.31 | Gumby | works like a charm |
| 05:50.36 | hlprmnky | welson: check scrollback, I did state my problem, fairly succinctly, then got sidetracked into all this is-it-the-proprietary-driver bollocks thanks you your suggestion |
| 05:50.49 | gravity | hlprmnky: Just /ignore welson please. |
| 05:51.11 | gravity | There's no point in fighting over this any more |
| 05:51.26 | DebianUX | where is a nvidia package?, I used the nvidia-installer |
| 05:51.30 | welson | gravity: nobody's fighting, I just found out he's just not clear on anything |
| 05:51.40 | gravity | DebianUX: It's in non-free. It's called nvidia-glx |
| 05:51.46 | gravity | welson: /ignore is your friend |
| 05:51.49 | Gumby | DebianUX: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 05:52.07 | welson | gravity, relax, he's just a newbie .. |
| 05:52.12 | WE_R_DNA | http://people.debian.org/~dwhedon/boot-floppies/bootbf2.4.iso <-- Where? |
| 05:52.15 | gravity | welson: Ot dpesm |
| 05:52.17 | gravity | Fuck |
| 05:52.32 | gravity | welson: It doesn't matter. No need to start calling someone an idiot. And that's the last word on the subject |
| 05:52.42 | Gumby | gravity: that has to be the worst type of all time |
| 05:52.43 | Gumby | lol |
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| 05:53.00 | gravity | Yeah, I rule |
| 05:53.00 | welson | gravity, well at least it's forcing him to think a little-- it's not meant to hurt him, I'm still willing to help him.. |
| 05:53.27 | gravity | Do I really have to drag out the channel code of conduct? It is out there and I'll dig it up if I have to... |
| 05:53.28 | DebianUX | nice |
| 05:54.01 | DebianUX | i'll know next time :-) |
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| 05:54.25 | hlprmnky | #debian has a channel code of conduct? I am aghast. The reason I only come where when info, grep /var/log, and google have failed is precisely because there *isn't* a channel code of conduct |
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| 05:55.28 | dusk | gravity: pm |
| 05:55.33 | gravity | dusk: Sure |
| 05:55.36 | welson | hlprmnky: there are answers, but you're reluctant-- simply because you're working with a non-propertiary driver and have no clue about your problem and insist you still know what's wrong-- in which u still don't |
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| 05:56.18 | welson | hlprmnky, and that is plainly non-good.. in fact you should listen to people who are volunteering giving their time |
| 05:56.52 | hlprmnky | welson: I'm listening. In fact, I'm going through the steps outlined in /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner right now in console 2 |
| 05:57.40 | welson | hlprmnky, I won't repeat myself, the logs tell it all.. |
| 05:57.46 | hlprmnky | also, I did immediately try 'nv' to see if that was my issue. My *current* *theory* is that I messed up upgrading udev across 2.6.9 -> 2.6.14 and the underlying device permissions problem is what's really wrong here |
| 05:58.10 | hlprmnky | actually, they don't. the singular lack of log messages is my biggest difficulty |
| 05:58.27 | welson | hlprmnky, so you're wrong 2x |
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| 05:58.43 | welson | hlprmnky, or more 2 to the power-->check your logs ->/var/log |
| 05:58.57 | hlprmnky | what? there are log files store in /var/log? |
| 05:59.05 | hlprmnky | you know what, I think gravity is right |
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| 05:59.26 | welson | hlprmnky, there's a verbosity check for system logs as well |
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| 05:59.36 | mccbaka | This is very odd. Freenode is not letting me join #java. And it isn't giving any reason why not. |
| 06:00.27 | welson | hlprmnky, "verbosity" switches are common, you can even append -vv to X's startup for more verbosity |
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| 06:01.13 | stazich | hey, what is a good eMule linux clone? |
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| 06:02.27 | Miesco | How do I stop artsd from running? |
| 06:02.34 | Miesco | It keeps running |
| 06:02.50 | welson | !artsd |
| 06:02.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, artsd is the much maligned soundserver of the much maligned analog Real time synthesizer |
| 06:03.02 | welson | Miesco, gnome? |
| 06:03.06 | Miesco | No |
| 06:03.10 | Miesco | !arstd |
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| 06:04.02 | welson | Miesco, there's a global setting I think, but per profile, I think there's an option for it graphically, if not try gconf (CLI) |
| 06:04.31 | Miesco | welson: Where is the global setting? |
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| 06:05.30 | welson | Miesco, it might be mentioned for gdm, but I'm only guessing there may be a system wide setting |
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| 06:10.48 | iccomputing | y0 |
| 06:10.52 | ic1 | hwy |
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| 06:11.31 | ic1 | anyone know why my "startx" is not working>? |
| 06:11.59 | Gumby | when running make-kpkg kernel_image should I be running make old/menu/xconfig first?? |
| 06:12.03 | gravity | ic1: Could you post your /var/log/XFree86.0.log in a pastebin? (or Xorg.0.log if you're running that) |
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| 06:14.04 | ic1 | how do you change name, in the room? |
| 06:14.14 | Azar | what is X Window Snapshot? |
| 06:14.42 | gravity | ic1: /nick |
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| 06:15.51 | lish | doesnt "scrot" work? and .."import .." ? |
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| 06:17.48 | xoz | Gumby: yep |
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| 06:19.39 | Gumby | xoz:I figured as much. Just wanted to make sure as I am getting errors when running make-kpkg kernel-image on kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 06:19.49 | Gumby | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:19.49 | Gumby | {standard input}: Assembler messages: |
| 06:19.49 | Gumby | {standard input}:753: Error: suffix or operands invalid for `mov' |
| 06:19.54 | sombra | Is there anyone here that using PPPoE ant NAT on the same box? |
| 06:21.09 | Supaplex | sounds painfull |
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| 06:22.36 | Azar | lish, "import" is not know command |
| 06:23.14 | Guerin | Azar: install imagemagick |
| 06:23.16 | ic1 | what do I need to do if xstart will not work? |
| 06:23.25 | Azar | thank you guerin |
| 06:23.29 | Guerin | ic1: define 'will not work' |
| 06:23.45 | Supaplex | ~doesn't work |
| 06:23.47 | apt | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 06:23.52 | ic1 | startx * it doesnt load the gnome |
| 06:23.52 | gravity | ic1: I already told you. We need to see your logfile. |
| 06:24.09 | lish | yes, no imagemagick,no import :P |
| 06:24.35 | ic1 | oh, sorry didnt know you were talking to me |
| 06:24.38 | Guerin | !tell ic1 about vague |
| 06:24.39 | Azar | :) I was using feh, but feh does not have printscreen capability |
| 06:25.18 | gravity | ic1: Yes. Put your /var/log/XFree86.0.log in a pastebin |
| 06:25.24 | gravity | ic1: Or use Xorg.0.log if you're running that |
| 06:25.51 | ic1 | gravity: /var/log/messages? |
| 06:26.32 | gravity | ic1: No. |
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| 06:27.32 | ic1 | gravity: i dont see XFree86.0.log |
| 06:28.19 | gravity | ic1: What does X -version say? |
| 06:28.56 | ic1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:29.45 | gravity | ic1: You don't have X installed then |
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| 06:30.01 | gravity | ic1: aptitude install x-window-system |
| 06:31.04 | ic1 | gravity: the following packages have unmet dependancies |
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| 06:32.00 | gravity | ... |
| 06:32.05 | gravity | ic1: What are you running? |
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| 06:32.21 | ic1 | debian |
| 06:32.25 | gravity | debian what? |
| 06:32.26 | ic1 | cli |
| 06:32.30 | ic1 | sarge |
| 06:32.40 | ic1 | 2.4 kernel |
| 06:32.46 | pilgrim | I'm not a troll or anything, I just want to know if stuff such as flash drives work out of the box in debian? |
| 06:32.48 | gravity | Put the aptitude error in a pastebin please |
| 06:32.58 | gravity | pilgrim: Sure. Just install gnome-volume-manager |
| 06:33.12 | ic1 | what is pastebin? |
| 06:33.24 | gravity | !paster |
| 06:33.24 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 06:33.26 | pilgrim | gravity: oh. I just remebered you have to start from 0(almost) with packages right. |
| 06:33.37 | gravity | pilgrim: No, not really. You can do what you want. |
| 06:33.53 | gravity | pilgrim: tasksel is an easy way to get a lot of the packages for a particular task (desktop, server, etc) very easily and quickly |
| 06:34.00 | gravity | pilgrim: And you can customize from there |
| 06:34.08 | pilgrim | gravity: well, I had debian a while back and I think there was a minimum OS and then I had to apt everything |
| 06:34.18 | gravity | pilgrim: Right, the installer has changed significantly. |
| 06:34.26 | pilgrim | gravity: hmm. I see. |
| 06:34.46 | pilgrim | gravity: again, I don't want to droll but would I/people use ubuntu? |
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| 06:35.25 | pilgrim | s/droll/troll |
| 06:35.34 | gravity | pilgrim: Would you? I don't know. |
| 06:35.40 | gravity | I don't know how to answer that question |
| 06:36.15 | pilgrim | gravity: yeah mean neither, just wondering what the differences are, really. |
| 06:36.36 | pilgrim | like, right now, I'm siding with debian (that is if I abandon my current distro) |
| 06:36.41 | gravity | pilgrim: I don't know. I've never really run ubuntu. It tends to make certain choices for you by default and attempts to make certain basic things work out of the box |
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| 06:37.27 | pilgrim | gravity: fair enough, because some people need it, I guess. |
| 06:37.46 | gravity | pilgrim: Yeah. I don't really understand it, but I've been in debian for too long to really get it at this point |
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| 06:38.13 | gravity | I'd figure that tasksel is enough for most people, but maybe not. I think for some reason people feel that tasksel is the wrong app to use, even if it will get you an ubuntu-like system very easily |
| 06:38.34 | skypa | real men use dselect :Þ |
| 06:38.47 | pilgrim | gravity: now, I know you debian guys say that (non stable-or whatever you call it) isn't really non-stable, (i'm asking because that's where the new stuff is, i think) |
| 06:39.11 | gravity | pilgrim: Well... unstable can be unstable. Sometimes it's stable and other times things break hard. |
| 06:39.31 | pilgrim | skypa: dselect, although I'm not sure what it is, brings back some terrifing memories. |
| 06:39.36 | gravity | pilgrim: Basically if you want to learn more and don't mind if your system breaks, and you're willing to trudge through the mud to learn how to fix it, unstable is a ton of fun |
| 06:39.44 | sombra | When I'm running PPPoE my NAT stop working, what could cause this? |
| 06:39.45 | pilgrim | gravity: which one is stable right now, sed? |
| 06:39.56 | gravity | pilgrim: But if you want your system to always be working at all times, don't use unstable |
| 06:40.00 | gravity | pilgrim: No, sarge is stable. |
| 06:40.17 | pilgrim | gravity: what are the other two (unstable, and testing?) |
| 06:40.38 | gravity | pilgrim: testing is currently etch, which is the name for what will be the next stable release. Unstable is and currently always will be sid. |
| 06:40.55 | pilgrim | oh! |
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| 06:41.13 | pilgrim | so testing is more stable than unstable. ok. how stable is testing? |
| 06:41.26 | skypa | quite stable, but not as stable as stable |
| 06:41.28 | skypa | :D |
| 06:41.31 | pilgrim | LOL |
| 06:41.50 | pilgrim | skypa: what gnome version is there in stable? |
| 06:42.03 | skypa | as a kde user I can't quite answer that, sorry |
| 06:42.12 | pilgrim | LOL, jelous |
| 06:42.32 | pilgrim | of gnome, aren't you. |
| 06:42.39 | pilgrim | demn you kommies. |
| 06:43.23 | Supaplex | sounds like apple and their %$@$ airport *grr* |
| 06:43.42 | pilgrim | lol |
| 06:44.01 | pilgrim | so, no guide tool to admin a debian system, eh? |
| 06:44.19 | gravity | pilgrim: Well... there's webmin, but I wouldn't recommend it |
| 06:44.33 | dondelelcaro | most serious admins just use a shell and an editor anyway |
| 06:44.37 | gravity | pilgrim: It turns out to be a lot easier to just read the docs and edit the files with a text editor when you get the hang of it |
| 06:44.40 | pilgrim | gravity: nah. Not, that I mind getting my hands dirty but just curious. |
| 06:44.51 | Supaplex | yea, like vim. |
| 06:44.55 | gravity | pilgrim: Yeah. The debian culture is such that no one is really interested in having one |
| 06:44.57 | pilgrim | gravity: did alot of that with gentoo. |
| 06:45.12 | gravity | I have sorta one on my hard drive, being unfinished, but I've been distracted by other tasks |
| 06:45.32 | pilgrim | gravity: a what? |
| 06:45.45 | gravity | A central sorta admin tool |
| 06:45.49 | gravity | But not really |
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| 06:45.52 | Supaplex | a bunch of 1's and 0's! |
| 06:45.53 | pilgrim | gravity: oh, I see. |
| 06:45.58 | pilgrim | lol |
| 06:46.23 | gravity | Hard to explain. It's really debian-specific, so if you don't know debian really well it won't make sense |
| 06:46.25 | pilgrim | so to stop and start a service, "service httpd start" will do right (for httpd of course). |
| 06:46.38 | dondelelcaro | pilgrim: just /etc/init.d/apache start |
| 06:46.40 | gravity | invoke-rc.d service start |
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| 06:47.00 | gravity | I swear, I'm the only one in the world who uses invoke-rc.d at the command line :-( |
| 06:47.07 | pilgrim | lol |
| 06:47.09 | Supaplex | alias service=invoke-rc.d |
| 06:47.13 | JaMiNkLe | is there a ppc debian |
| 06:47.14 | gravity | It's way more correct |
| 06:47.17 | gravity | JaMiNkLe: Yes |
| 06:47.22 | JaMiNkLe | is it good |
| 06:47.22 | JaMiNkLe | lol |
| 06:47.27 | Supaplex | I use /etc/init.d/foo restart |
| 06:47.40 | pilgrim | gravity: invoke-rc.d is more correct? |
| 06:47.49 | dondelelcaro | JaMiNkLe: it's just like Debian on any other architecture. |
| 06:47.56 | Supaplex | timtowtdi |
| 06:47.57 | gravity | pilgrim: Sorta. It doesn't seem to make a difference in practice. |
| 06:48.10 | sombra | dondelelcaro, do you know how to make PPPoE and NAT working together. PPPoE is running fine, but when I'm trying to use NAT in /etc/network/interfaces, both PPPoE and NAT is unreachable |
| 06:48.14 | WE_R_ONE | what is the guide lines for install a new kernel with the debian packaging system? |
| 06:48.16 | pilgrim | gravity: good to know. I'll maybe need it soon. |
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| 06:48.28 | dondelelcaro | !tell WE_R_ONE -about kp |
| 06:48.30 | gravity | WE_R_ONE: /usr/share/doc/kernel-package |
| 06:48.40 | pilgrim | funny thing is now debian has a gui installer, last time I installed however, no such luck. |
| 06:48.50 | gravity | WE_R_ONE: Or are you not looking to install a custom kernel? Just one from the archive? |
| 06:49.00 | gravity | pilgrim: You used the gtk installer? |
| 06:49.02 | gravity | Wow |
| 06:49.08 | gravity | I didn't think it was that far out there |
| 06:49.11 | dondelelcaro | sombra: install ipmasq, and that should do it; don't try to set up nat in interfaces |
| 06:49.13 | WE_R_ONE | custom kernel |
| 06:49.21 | WE_R_ONE | unless archives have 2.4+ |
| 06:49.25 | gravity | WE_R_ONE: Ok, yeah. What dpkg told you about kp |
| 06:49.25 | pilgrim | gravity: no, no. I'm just looking a screenshots. but I think back then it was ncurses. |
| 06:49.29 | gravity | Ah |
| 06:49.36 | dondelelcaro | WE_R_ONE: the archives have 2.6.... |
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| 06:49.48 | SniperDevil | hey. I'm having an issue |
| 06:49.57 | pilgrim | gravity: why is ncurses more powerful, or what? |
| 06:50.04 | SniperDevil | I'm trying to start postfix, but the log files are saying cannot bind to 0.0.0.0: port 25 already in use |
| 06:50.06 | WE_R_ONE | kernel-build-2.4.27-2 - Headers for building modules for Linux 2.4.27 |
| 06:50.07 | dondelelcaro | it's still the same questions, just a gtk presentation |
| 06:50.13 | SniperDevil | but AFAIK, ps aux shows nothing that would be using port 25 |
| 06:50.16 | dondelelcaro | SniperDevil: netstat -plunt; |
| 06:50.27 | gravity | pilgrim: Not really, no. It was just easier to get going first. |
| 06:50.29 | pilgrim | dondelelcaro: i see. |
| 06:50.36 | gravity | pilgrim: They're both just frontends to the same backend. |
| 06:50.43 | pilgrim | gravity: oh, ok. |
| 06:50.55 | WE_R_ONE | kernel-image-2.4.18.030309_1.0_i386.deb <--- where can If ind this? |
| 06:51.13 | SniperDevil | ahh... thanks dondelelcaro. so xinetd is using it. I suspected that, but what is xinetd doing to use it? I got rid of sendmail -- I was just trying to start postfix via /etc/init.d/postfix |
| 06:51.57 | dondelelcaro | SniperDevil: you may be starting postfix from xinetd; edit your /etc/xinetd.conf |
| 06:52.02 | pilgrim | ok, thanks to all for your crash course in debian (especially gravity), now if or when I decide to switch, it'll likely be debian. (And yes choice sucks sometimes, because if I had no choice I'd be happy with what I had right now, I think). |
| 06:52.26 | gravity | pilgrim: No problem. Good luck. |
| 06:52.35 | pilgrim | gravity: yeah. thanks. |
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| 06:52.49 | SniperDevil | ah, /etc/xinetd.d/sendmail was left-over from Sendmail |
| 06:53.02 | dondelelcaro | SniperDevil: you need to --purge sendmail |
| 06:53.10 | SniperDevil | dondelelcaro, I did |
| 06:53.17 | SniperDevil | it said it wasn't installed, so it couldn't remove the files |
| 06:53.23 | dondelelcaro | dpkg --purge sendmail |
| 06:53.45 | dondelelcaro | you mean to say that you tried to purge it and failed. |
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| 06:54.05 | SniperDevil | dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove sendmail which isn't installed. |
| 06:54.09 | sombra | dondelelcaro, is ipmasq removing Shorewall Firewall? |
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| 06:54.12 | SniperDevil | it was installed before, but i removed it |
| 06:54.19 | SniperDevil | didn't purge it though, but dpkg gives me the above ^ |
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| 06:55.14 | rohan | hi all |
| 06:55.22 | rohan | anyone tried http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ this ? |
| 06:55.31 | rohan | the aaa_base package scares me |
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| 06:57.03 | SniperDevil | does postfix require key:value in virtual_mailbox_maps, for example? |
| 06:57.09 | SniperDevil | or key whitespace value |
| 06:57.12 | stazich | hey, can nayone tell me what is a good eMule substitute in Linux? |
| 06:57.24 | Moonscope | anyone setup bittorrent on a console? |
| 06:57.28 | rohan | stazich: amule |
| 06:57.32 | dondelelcaro | Moonscope: use bittornado |
| 06:57.59 | Moonscope | ok, ive apt-get install bittornado but i cant workout how to start it or config it |
| 06:58.15 | stazich | i cant find AMULE in synaptic |
| 06:58.27 | dondelelcaro | Moonscope: no configuration needed. ./btlaunchmanycurses; in a directory with .torrents |
| 06:58.28 | stazich | does it mean i need to add unierses? |
| 06:58.55 | dondelelcaro | !info amule |
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| 06:59.18 | gravity | stazich: #ubuntu |
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| 07:00.17 | dpkg | amule: (aNOTHER eMule P2P Client), section x11, is optional. Version: 2.0.3-3 (sid), Packaged size: 2385 kB, Installed size: 7048 kB |
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| 07:00.25 | dondelelcaro | ... |
| 07:00.35 | Rangitoto | I am installing debian using the sarge 3.1 installer and I am on the software selection screen. How do I make the selections? |
| 07:00.42 | dondelelcaro | Rangitoto: with * |
| 07:01.32 | Rangitoto | I tried entering an asterisk and it didn't appear on the screen. |
| 07:02.13 | ice_1963 | :0) |
| 07:02.24 | Moonscope | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 07:02.41 | Moonscope | dondelelcaro: how do i monitor how the downloads are going? |
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| 07:03.11 | dondelelcaro | Moonscope: it has a huge display that tells you what is going on. |
| 07:03.22 | Moonscope | so run it in a screen session? |
| 07:03.26 | dondelelcaro | Moonscope: if you want |
| 07:03.30 | Moonscope | will it auto pickup more torrents when i put them in that folder? |
| 07:03.34 | dondelelcaro | yes. |
| 07:03.41 | Moonscope | woot |
| 07:03.43 | dondelelcaro | (and will drop them when you remove them) |
| 07:04.04 | sombra | dondelelcaro, ipmasq is builtin iptables, right? |
| 07:04.13 | dondelelcaro | sombra: no, it's a package that uses iptables. |
| 07:04.45 | sombra | dondelelcaro, right |
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| 07:05.31 | sombra | dondelelcaro, is it advanced to write NAT rules for ipmasq? |
| 07:05.42 | dondelelcaro | sombra: ipmasq includes them, which is why I suggested it |
| 07:05.54 | sombra | dondelelcaro, ok |
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| 07:07.06 | sombra | dondelelcaro, what is the name of the NAT rule file? |
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| 07:07.48 | dondelelcaro | I70masq |
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| 07:10.50 | sombra | dondelelcaro, so what should be in the file, I want to NAT eth1 |
| 07:10.59 | dondelelcaro | sombra: that's the default setup. |
| 07:11.28 | sombra | dondelelcaro, Is it being loaded at boot by iptables? |
| 07:11.52 | dondelelcaro | sombra: it gets loaded by /etc/init.d/ipmasq; the documentation is fairly copious. |
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| 07:12.32 | WE_R_ONE | I just downloaded the 2.4.X.deb package to my system where is it located? |
| 07:12.44 | WE_R_ONE | it is a kernel I need to configure |
| 07:12.57 | dirkson | Say, does anyone know how to bind a command to a particular key? |
| 07:13.28 | [11aa] | most likely your home directory |
| 07:13.41 | sombra | dondelelcaro, ok, and how do I load iptalbes at boot (Shorewall is deleted by ipmasq) |
| 07:13.49 | Miles_Teg | WE_R_ONE, I think it was just installed if image or is in /usr/src if source, naturally |
| 07:13.57 | dondelelcaro | sombra: it gets started by the init.d script. |
| 07:14.06 | dondelelcaro | localtime all. |
| 07:14.18 | lish | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:14.38 | WE_R_ONE | how do I reconfigure the kernel after I booted up into it? |
| 07:14.46 | sombra | dondelelcaro, startup, right, but what should I put in startup to load iptables and make it use ipmasq? |
| 07:15.43 | Miles_Teg | WE_R_ONE, are you asking how to run xconfig? |
| 07:16.11 | WE_R_ONE | no I need to add usb audio to the kernel and /devfs as well |
| 07:16.28 | WE_R_ONE | trying to figure out how to reconfigure kernel |
| 07:16.31 | WE_R_ONE | with those in there |
| 07:16.58 | Miles_Teg | run m,ake xconfif as root in /usr/src/yourkerneltree |
| 07:17.02 | WE_R_ONE | did apt-get install and got the 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Tue Aug 16 15:28:25 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 07:17.23 | WE_R_ONE | how do I turn my .deb into the kernel source? |
| 07:17.27 | Miles_Teg | i wonder if you have get the source code |
| 07:17.36 | Miles_Teg | have got.. |
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| 07:18.08 | WE_R_ONE | nope |
| 07:18.14 | WE_R_ONE | how do I download the src hmm |
| 07:19.15 | Miles_Teg | it is the same but have source in the name |
| 07:19.48 | Miles_Teg | where you put image or headers |
| 07:20.08 | Gumby | has anyone here used make-kpkg to create a kernel image with the debian 2.6.8 kernel source? |
| 07:20.10 | Miles_Teg | devfs was deprecated |
| 07:20.24 | WE_R_ONE | Miles_Teg, I just did apt-get install |
| 07:20.32 | Gumby | seems to me that its broken |
| 07:20.32 | WE_R_ONE | where does it put the image or headers? |
| 07:21.08 | Miles_Teg | ok you did apt-get install kernel* ? |
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| 07:21.50 | Miles_Teg | sorry, for my english, is not my native language |
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| 07:22.40 | Miles_Teg | WE_R_ONE, have you thougt in using synaptic? |
| 07:22.52 | sombra | dondelelcaro, can I use Shorwall and ipmasq at the same time (ipmasq just disabled Shorewall, I can not start/stop/restart it) |
| 07:23.02 | dannyr | hi, I am having trouble getting email externally from postfix - using express or thunderbird mail readers - the message log says the following; "Nov 12 22:54:07 ns1 in.qpopper[29346]: (v4.0.5) POP login by user "dannyr" at (CPE-61-9-138-171.vic.bigpond.net.au) 61.9.138.171 [pop_log.c:244] ". I can get the email for a local pc - I thought it might have been a port blocking the deliver - can... |
| 07:23.03 | dannyr | ...anyone help please! |
| 07:24.23 | Miles_Teg | the kernel you get from debian have a tree already built |
| 07:24.59 | WE_R_ONE | Miles_Teg, where? |
| 07:25.08 | Miles_Teg | you need just go in /usr/src |
| 07:25.23 | WE_R_ONE | I just installed 2.4.27 and it is not in there |
| 07:25.52 | Miles_Teg | if the kernel source is no there, so you need apt-get in kernel-sourcexxx |
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| 07:28.02 | Miles_Teg | WE_R_ONE, I advice you to apt-get install synaptic, so it is an apt-get graphical interface very interesting |
| 07:28.42 | Miles_Teg | or just run it, if already installed |
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| 07:37.17 | basix | hi room! |
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| 07:38.26 | basix | can you guys recommend a 802.11g Wifi Router with 4 Ethernet ports? ( i want a cheap one )?? I was thinking of Linksys WRT54G. But I the reviews werent too good... |
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| 07:41.24 | rixth | Does anyone bother to see whether they have been hit by Linux/lupper.worm? |
| 07:42.13 | liable | basix: yeah, check out whirlpool forums, lynksys get a bashing, i had a wag54g that shat itself. got a billion, seems ok. |
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| 07:42.44 | liable | rixth: pretty easy to see if your infected, and you wont get it if your system is updated.. |
| 07:43.10 | rixth | liable, yeah- I'm just asking if anyone is actually bothering to check |
| 07:43.11 | basix | rixth, i dont have a webserver running. can i still be hit?? |
| 07:43.17 | rixth | basix, no |
| 07:43.30 | basix | good :) |
| 07:43.40 | rixth | basix, is exploits a couple of vulnerabilities in PHP (XML-RPC mainly) |
| 07:43.49 | basix | ok.. |
| 07:43.50 | cahoot | rixth: I have attempts form infected systems logged |
| 07:44.09 | basix | liable, ever heard of Trendnet? How about SMC? Are they good? |
| 07:44.15 | rixth | cahoot, how can you tell? |
| 07:44.24 | liable | basix: i could'nt say, sorry. |
| 07:45.17 | liable | rixth: look for 404's for the pages that are succeptable. you will get a lot of logs looking for the vulnerable php and awstats pages. |
| 07:45.32 | rixth | liable, I run awstats- but 6.4 so I'm fine there. |
| 07:45.54 | cahoot | rixth: like this: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx [08/Nov/2005:16:48:29 +0100] "POST /blogs/xmlsrv/xmlrpc.php HTTP/1.1" 404 299 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1;)" "-" |
| 07:45.57 | rixth | I might make a PHP log parser- do simple regexes for '404' and errors |
| 07:46.13 | rixth | cahoot, do they always have IE as the agent? |
| 07:46.18 | cahoot | most |
| 07:46.19 | liable | rixth: um, awstats does that :) |
| 07:46.38 | cahoot | rixth: eg all as I've seen |
| 07:46.46 | rixth | liable, yah- but I'm lazy :) I want something that will show me just the suspect pages |
| 07:47.13 | dannyr | hi, I am having trouble using ftp to my server, I have pasted extracts to paste of the syslog entry and the server details from proftpd.conf if anyone can help please! |
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| 07:49.41 | valdyn | dannyr: pasted where |
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| 07:50.06 | dannyr | valdyn "/join #paste" |
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| 07:52.02 | liable | meh, streamripper seems to baulk a lot of tracks. (always the ones i want too. :( |
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| 07:55.54 | valdyn | !tell dannyr -about paste |
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| 07:57.40 | dannyr | valdyn: err - sorry - paste is now flood, thankyou |
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| 07:58.33 | factor | does anyone know how to get a quick rough estimate of the compression ratio of a tar gz file? |
| 07:58.42 | factor | the end result. |
| 07:59.03 | vulture | factor: look at the size of the original tar and the tar.gz.. |
| 07:59.20 | valdyn | dannyp: "binding to 0.0.0.0, port 21: Address already in use" means that you already have something listening on the ftp port |
| 07:59.30 | factor | but I need to know the comoression ratio before the tar.gz is made. |
| 07:59.37 | valdyn | dannyr: run netstat -plunt to find out what it is |
| 07:59.41 | vulture | factor: no, I don't believe so |
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| 08:00.20 | factor | doing a progress bar need to know the precent completion. |
| 08:01.14 | catalyst_ | I got this error from bittorrent; File "/usr/bin/btdownloadgui.py", line 27, in ? import gtk ImportError: No module named gtk. Am I missed out anything? |
| 08:01.16 | vulture | so do it based on the % of the input tar file read.. |
| 08:01.18 | factor | I can do a du toget the overallsiae of the dir. |
| 08:01.35 | factor | vulture:how is that what command |
| 08:01.39 | valdyn | catalyst_: how did you install bittorrent? |
| 08:01.56 | catalyst_ | valdyn: using deb from bittorrent.com |
| 08:01.59 | vulture | factor: it wouldn't be a command.. showing progress bars isn't done by "commands", you could write a small program or something |
| 08:02.18 | catalyst_ | valdyn: i try to make my own .deb, but give the same error |
| 08:02.31 | valdyn | catalyst_: and running dpkg -i on it didnt warn you about missing dependencies? |
| 08:02.40 | catalyst_ | valdyn: btw, bittorrent-gui is broken in sid |
| 08:02.47 | catalyst_ | valdyn: nope, not at all |
| 08:02.54 | rage | Is there anyway to disable the "Install these packages without verification" question that apt reports and always assume yes? |
| 08:02.57 | valdyn | !find gtk.py |
| 08:03.11 | linux-noob | What's inetd? |
| 08:03.14 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'gtk.py' (5 of 10): (/usr/share/gquilt/gquilt_gtk.py) in gnome/gquilt ;; (/usr/share/scigraphica/python/sgagtk.py) in math/scigraphica ;; (/usr/share/doc/gnat-gps-doc/examples/python/hello_gtk.py) in doc/gnat-gps-doc ;; (/usr/share/doc/python2.4-pycurl/examples/test_gtk.py) in python/python2.4-pycurl ;; (/usr/share/doc/python2.3-pycurl/examples/test_gtk.py) in python/python2.3-pycurl. |
| 08:03.15 | liable | !tell rage about apt secure |
| 08:03.23 | liable | linux-noob: man inetd |
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| 08:04.11 | catalyst_ | valdyn: damn! that's from python-gtk-1.2 package |
| 08:04.30 | catalyst_ | valdyn: bittorrent don't support gtk2? hm. |
| 08:04.40 | valdyn | catalyst_: you need libwxgtk2.4-python |
| 08:04.55 | valdyn | catalyst_: you need libwxgtk2.4-python in sid anyway |
| 08:05.54 | valdyn | catalyst_: bittorrent appearantly uses wxwidgets. It was only recently added to sid with gtk2 support. |
| 08:06.09 | Guerin | the bittorrent gui is a woft anyway |
| 08:06.18 | valdyn | catalyst_: bittorrent-gi might use that or not, i dont know |
| 08:06.24 | basix | liable, what do you think about netgear? |
| 08:06.38 | catalyst_ | valdyn: wow! libwxgtk2.4-python is borked |
| 08:07.00 | valdyn | catalyst_: apt-get install rtorrent |
| 08:07.02 | catalyst_ | valdyn: However the following packages replace it: python-wxtools python-wxgtk2.4 |
| 08:07.30 | catalyst_ | valdyn: rtorrent? |
| 08:07.54 | valdyn | catalyst_: try it, i think its great |
| 08:08.03 | catalyst_ | valdyn: ok, thanks. |
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| 08:08.14 | catalyst_ | valdyn: btw, is that gtk2 based? :) |
| 08:08.21 | VikraMarkA | i would like to install debian .. but i am gettin stuck |
| 08:08.22 | valdyn | catalyst_: no, curses |
| 08:08.22 | catalyst_ | gtk1.2 look fuck |
| 08:08.25 | VikraMarkA | at installation |
| 08:08.28 | catalyst_ | valdyn: ok :) |
| 08:08.33 | valdyn | catalyst_: run it in screen too |
| 08:08.46 | dannyr | valdyn: I had changed my standalone to inetd - so I had to change my initd.conf - # out the proftpd line, restart init.d then standalone start the proftpd daemon - thank you anyway |
| 08:08.53 | liable | basix: never had one. |
| 08:09.11 | VikraMarkA | the trick is.. my isp needs web based authentication |
| 08:09.27 | rixth | Hey guys- I need some sort of webserver manager. Like cPanel but free. Does anyone know of anything? |
| 08:09.30 | VikraMarkA | but i get a dynamic ip before hand |
| 08:09.41 | Miles_Teg | ATI site claims his drivers are for glibc 2.2 up, but the installer keep getting the 2.1 version |
| 08:09.48 | valdyn | dannyr: that probably wasnt the cleanest way to do this, but if things work, alright ) |
| 08:09.55 | VikraMarkA | but installer lacks web interface |
| 08:10.09 | VikraMarkA | i can run a perl script for authentication; |
| 08:10.15 | valdyn | Miles_Teg: using ATIs installer is wrong, you're going to just have problems |
| 08:10.22 | VikraMarkA | but i believe even that needs special packages |
| 08:10.40 | VikraMarkA | cant i have minimal install without needing internet? |
| 08:10.45 | dannyr | valdyn: Do you have a sugestion for the correct way, I would like to improve my skils - I am still very much a newbie |
| 08:10.51 | VikraMarkA | i tried latest debian cd |
| 08:10.54 | VikraMarkA | but it fails |
| 08:11.04 | VikraMarkA | help pls |
| 08:11.13 | Miles_Teg | yes I'm in troubles already :) |
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| 08:11.34 | valdyn | dannyr: if i recall correctly, dpkg-reconfigure proftpd or dpkg-reconfigure proftpd-common lets you pick how its run |
| 08:11.47 | VikraMarkA | somebody.. pls help |
| 08:11.52 | Miles_Teg | I'm having problems in return the default gl |
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| 08:12.43 | WE_R_ONE | when doing make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image |
| 08:12.43 | WE_R_ONE | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:12.44 | Miles_Teg | xorg uses no more the mesa drivers, so I read |
| 08:12.53 | Miles_Teg | and may system is cumblesome |
| 08:12.54 | dannyr | valdyn: thank you |
| 08:12.57 | Miles_Teg | now |
| 08:12.57 | valdyn | Miles_Teg: that is bullshit |
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| 08:13.22 | Miles_Teg | xorg have his own gl library |
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| 08:14.18 | Miles_Teg | I just pray reinstaling the gl libs return my previous state with radeon driver |
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| 08:14.56 | valdyn | !wikifaq Miles_Teg UseAti |
| 08:14.59 | dpkg | Miles_Teg: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseAti or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 08:15.03 | liable | VikraMarkA: get iso1, you can install the base plus desktop from it. |
| 08:15.04 | Miles_Teg | since the ATI drivers with GCC 4 seems to just not work |
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| 08:15.39 | Miles_Teg | thanks for the links |
| 08:15.39 | WE_R_ONE | lets say I did make menuconfig and save my own kernel config, how do I make that? |
| 08:16.07 | valdyn | WE_R_ONE: when you exit that menuconfig, you get asked if you want to save or not. |
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| 08:16.34 | WE_R_ONE | valdyn, I saved it as linuxFSv2.4.27 |
| 08:16.46 | WE_R_ONE | what do I do from there? |
| 08:16.54 | VikraMarkA | liable, i tried cd1 only |
| 08:17.03 | VikraMarkA | it fails saying dependency problem |
| 08:17.06 | valdyn | WE_R_ONE: why the hell did you enter a custom name? |
| 08:17.10 | VikraMarkA | is it a bug with installer? |
| 08:17.18 | VikraMarkA | or bad release? |
| 08:17.28 | valdyn | WE_R_ONE: if you dont do that, it will be saved as .config and used when compiling |
| 08:17.33 | liable | VikraMarkA: i doubt it. where exactly did you get it? |
| 08:17.40 | WE_R_ONE | ohhh |
| 08:17.41 | WE_R_ONE | sweet |
| 08:17.46 | VikraMarkA | from one of the mirrors on debian.org |
| 08:17.58 | VikraMarkA | infact i tried two cds |
| 08:18.04 | VikraMarkA | both failed |
| 08:19.12 | VikraMarkA | one netinstall cd and one iso-cd cd1 |
| 08:19.18 | VikraMarkA | both failed |
| 08:19.28 | valdyn | VikraMarkA: if you use cd1 you can install plenty stuff |
| 08:19.39 | valdyn | VikraMarkA: going way beyond a base system |
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| 08:19.55 | VikraMarkA | yes.. i know.. but installer fails on me |
| 08:20.01 | VikraMarkA | without internet connection |
| 08:20.07 | bathat | is uw-imapd really old? |
| 08:20.14 | valdyn | VikraMarkA: cd1 does not need an internet connection |
| 08:20.17 | bathat | on packages.debian.org |
| 08:20.27 | bathat | 7:2002edebian1-12 |
| 08:20.29 | VikraMarkA | k |
| 08:20.54 | liable | niether does the net-installer for that matter. |
| 08:20.57 | VikraMarkA | valdyn, can u tell me where to find latest cd1? |
| 08:21.03 | VikraMarkA | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 08:21.07 | VikraMarkA | is this the one? |
| 08:21.15 | bathat | does this mean it is a release from way back in 2002? |
| 08:21.21 | valdyn | VikraMarkA: yea |
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| 08:22.02 | valdyn | bathat: likely, does a newer release even exist? |
| 08:22.13 | VikraMarkA | thanks valdyn |
| 08:22.16 | VikraMarkA | let me try again |
| 08:22.18 | VikraMarkA | thanks liable |
| 08:22.50 | bathat | valdyn: it seems there is a 2004 release |
| 08:23.02 | bathat | valdyn: possibly even 2005 |
| 08:23.21 | bathat | valdyn: yeah, Revised 2005.01.18 |
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| 08:23.47 | bathat | i'll just install from source... no big deal |
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| 08:29.21 | valdyn | bathat: it looks to me like the license could be problematic |
| 08:30.31 | clojster | how can I configure mutt to display text/html attachment via lynx? I have changed /etc/mailcap but nothing changed in mutt displaying it... |
| 08:31.12 | valdyn | so debians uw-imapd might be a for off that version |
| 08:31.16 | vulture | clojster: I just put the following in my ~/.mailcap |
| 08:31.18 | vulture | text/html; /usr/bin/elinks --dump '%s' | less; description=HTML Text; nametemplate=%s.html |
| 08:31.18 | valdyn | so debians uw-imapd might be a fork off that version |
| 08:31.28 | vulture | suppose you don't really need to dump it at all though.. |
| 08:31.37 | catalyst_ | valdyn: btw, rtorrent is console based |
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| 08:31.50 | valdyn | catalyst_: yea, i as i said 'curses' |
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| 08:31.54 | WE_R_ONE | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1092 |
| 08:31.56 | valdyn | catalyst_: yea, as i said 'curses' |
| 08:31.58 | WE_R_ONE | need help with kernel |
| 08:33.06 | clojster | valdyn: tahnks... but this didn't help :( |
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| 08:33.49 | valdyn | clojster: uh? |
| 08:34.16 | clojster | sory - I ment it for vulture |
| 08:34.28 | valdyn | clojster: mailcap commonly has *several* entries for everything, only one will be valid |
| 08:34.58 | clojster | valdyn: ok, but which one is valid? how can I know which is valid? |
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| 08:35.03 | vulture | clojster: Works For Me(tm).. |
| 08:35.11 | valdyn | clojster: not sure, probably the last |
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| 08:35.35 | valdyn | clojster: and you dont really want to change /etc/mailcap but ~/.mailcap |
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| 08:36.43 | clojster | valdyn: on, now I'm changing .mailcap but nothing changed in mutt... I added following line: text/html; /usr/bin/lynx '%s' | less; description=HTML Text; nametemplate=%s.html |
| 08:37.28 | caphuso | clojster: do you have an appropriate auto_view command in your muttrc? |
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| 08:37.59 | clojster | caphuso: yea, I knew there is something I have to configure in mutt... no I haven't |
| 08:38.11 | caphuso | clojster: and while you're on it, fix your mailcap line too |
| 08:38.25 | caphuso | or add one that mutt can actually use |
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| 08:38.48 | clojster | caphuso: what's wrong about that line? |
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| 08:39.08 | caphuso | clojster: nothing, except that it's wrong for use with mutt |
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| 08:39.49 | clojster | caphuso: and what should I change to be able to use it with mutt? |
| 08:39.55 | caphuso | *sigh* |
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| 08:40.07 | caphuso | clojster: ask google |
| 08:40.16 | clojster | ok |
| 08:40.31 | caphuso | there must be dozens of sites explaining that, including but not limited to every single mutt FAQ |
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| 08:41.26 | lyy | is dpkg -i packagename.deb the prefered way to safely install things? |
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| 08:41.43 | markybob | lyy if apt doesnt have it in a repository, yes. |
| 08:42.00 | lyy | what if it already exists? |
| 08:42.12 | lyy | shouldn't i do a dpkg -A? |
| 08:42.22 | caphuso | then you use dselect|aptitude|synaptic|... |
| 08:42.39 | lyy | for example.. |
| 08:42.57 | lyy | on fedora, using rpm, i do a rpm -Uvh |
| 08:43.04 | lyy | so if it's an upgrade, it handles it |
| 08:43.22 | markybob | lyy forget everything you know about rpm's, and you'll be ok |
| 08:43.27 | lyy | so it's good practice |
| 08:43.32 | lyy | k |
| 08:43.34 | caphuso | lyy: but this isn't fedora, so fedora solutions don't apply. learn the debian way |
| 08:43.36 | valdyn | lyy: we dont know rpm, in debian you do not have to do anything special to update or overwrite an already existing package |
| 08:43.46 | lyy | it's not about one wway or the other |
| 08:43.58 | lyy | it's a kind of "safe practice" or "best practice" |
| 08:43.59 | markybob | lyy of course it is. you're using a completely different method |
| 08:44.20 | caphuso | lyy: good. safe and best practice: stay the hell away from dpkg unless you have to use it |
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| 08:44.28 | lyy | lol |
| 08:44.29 | markybob | agreed. |
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| 08:44.42 | lyy | that doesn't sound too reassuring |
| 08:44.42 | markybob | lyy use an apt frontend if you can get away with it |
| 08:44.53 | caphuso | lyy: now, go visit www.debian.org/doc/ and learn |
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| 08:45.08 | markybob | or /msg dpkg why debian |
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| 08:45.13 | markybob | ok then |
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| 08:45.31 | caphuso | lyy: you're not in any position to judge assurance |
| 08:45.40 | markybob | lyy he's gone :) |
| 08:45.46 | markybob | caphuso, --^ |
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| 08:46.02 | caphuso | markybob: yeah, i noticed, but was too late |
| 08:46.12 | Guerin | institutional reliance on /usr/bin/rpm is the primary reason for broken dependencies in rpm-badedistros |
| 08:46.16 | caphuso | stupid wannabe experts |
| 08:46.16 | Guerin | based, even |
| 08:46.20 | markybob | caphuso, hadnt seen you in a while. everything's going well? |
| 08:46.29 | caphuso | markybob: yeah |
| 08:46.46 | caphuso | had a couple of days without internet access due to provider switching |
| 08:47.41 | caphuso | but worth it, now i have 24/7 connectivity |
| 08:47.51 | markybob | good |
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| 08:49.24 | SimonRaven | @wb caphuso |
| 08:49.25 | ravenbird | Welcome back caphuso, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos. |
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| 08:50.55 | markybob | caphuso, you're one of the few that i remember from seven or so years back. this place has changed |
| 08:51.11 | caphuso | markybob: oh, yes, it has :-/ |
| 08:51.41 | markybob | caphuso, i left for the navy and when i get back it's gone to hell. i cant even begin to guess what happened :) |
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| 08:53.19 | caphuso | blame knoppix :) |
| 08:53.25 | markybob | :) |
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| 08:55.15 | markybob | caphuso, ever read "the fable of the channel of #debian" ? |
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| 08:58.07 | ^Rock | hi |
| 08:58.13 | ^Rock | can any1 help me |
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| 08:58.30 | ^Rock | trying to find a dabien amd64 iso |
| 08:58.54 | ^Rock | not sure which 1 to pick or which 1 is the correct version :oS |
| 08:58.59 | markybob | ^Rock, google helps. http://amd64.debian.net/ |
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| 08:59.46 | Sphearion | i did something verybad. i deleted /etc/init.d/apache2 how can I rebuild it |
| 09:00.05 | ^Rock | bless ya bob |
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| 09:00.37 | markybob | Sphearion, apt-get --reinstall it. that ought to do it |
| 09:00.37 | netman1 | Sphearion: apt-get --download-only install apache2 ; dpkg -x apache2* . ; find . -name apache2 |
| 09:00.53 | usn | good morning |
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| 09:01.11 | ^Rock | bob which 1 in the parent directory do i choose?? |
| 09:01.43 | JaMiNkLe | Bandwidth: (Current Downstream: 55.33kb/s ¤ Current Upstream: 22.72kb/s) |
| 09:01.46 | ^Rock | and GOOD MORNING |
| 09:01.50 | Miles_Teg | how force I the removal of a package with apt-get? |
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| 09:02.35 | liable | ^Rock: ask in #debian-amd64 |
| 09:02.42 | markybob | ^Rock, it's markybob. what do you want? a full cd installer? just netinstall? what? |
| 09:03.10 | ^Rock | nah just netinstaller iso :oD and sorry markybob |
| 09:03.10 | netman1 | Miles_Teg: apt-get --purge remove package |
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| 09:03.19 | markybob | ^Rock, http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/etch_d-i/amd64/beta1/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 09:03.37 | ^Rock | thx markybob u da man |
| 09:03.42 | ^Rock | and thxs to liable |
| 09:03.44 | ^Rock | :oD |
| 09:04.03 | Miles_Teg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:04.52 | netman1 | Miles_Teg: dpkg -L package | while read fn ; do if [ -f $fn ] ; then rm $fn ; fi ; done |
| 09:04.58 | Miles_Teg | dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting `/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1' with |
| 09:04.58 | Miles_Teg | > different file `/usr/X11R6/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.1.xlibmesa', not allowed |
| 09:05.07 | Miles_Teg | ok, I'll try |
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| 09:09.26 | clojster | in which package is image2acsii ? |
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| 09:10.03 | Guerin | !tell clojster about search |
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| 09:10.37 | markybob | Guerin, wont find it in search. at least i didnt |
| 09:10.38 | Chance | hello |
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| 09:10.54 | Guerin | then I guess it doesn't exist |
| 09:11.00 | rixth | I'm upgrading a server but the previous install of Apache was werid. How can I find out what it wsa configured with? |
| 09:11.01 | Chance | i have just compiled kernel 2.6.14 and installed it but it doesn't wat to run |
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| 09:11.08 | Chance | want* |
| 09:11.12 | markybob | Chance, that's because you didnt check the bug reports |
| 09:11.21 | Guerin | rixth: you mean ./configure? |
| 09:11.24 | Sphearion | ok i installed php5 with apache2 and now it wants to save the .php files instead of parsing them?! how do I fix this |
| 09:11.36 | Chance | markybob wich are ? |
| 09:11.38 | rixth | Guerin, yeah. Is there any way to find out what command was used? |
| 09:11.41 | markybob | Chance, #336724 #336418 |
| 09:11.46 | Guerin | Sphearion: add a handler and make sure your module is loaded |
| 09:12.06 | Chance | markybob so the kernel version ain't good ? |
| 09:12.10 | Guerin | rixth: if you have the source tree, read config.log; otherwise look at the output of phpinfo |
| 09:12.28 | markybob | Chance, it's a good kernel. just doesnt work very well in debian with the current state of other serious packages. :) |
| 09:12.35 | rixth | Sphearion, add 'AddType application/x-httpd-php .php' to httpd.conf |
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| 09:13.18 | Sphearion | in mods-available I have the php5.load but in mods-enabled I don't have a link how do I make it |
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| 09:13.33 | Miles_Teg | netman1 dpkg -L nvidia-glx-dev | while read fn ; do if [ -f $fn ] ; then rm $fn ; fi ; done |
| 09:13.33 | Miles_Teg | bash: [: too many arguments |
| 09:13.40 | Chance | markybob aha that's why it doesn't even boots up ? |
| 09:14.02 | markybob | Chance, uh-huh |
| 09:14.10 | rixth | Guerin, that doesn't output the configure command... |
| 09:14.22 | Chance | humm how is the last version from 2.4 series ? |
| 09:14.31 | liable | Chance: well, thats to be debated, those bugs are to do with makin initrd's, which you may or may not have done.. |
| 09:14.31 | markybob | Chance, you might find fixed packages in experimental. not sure, you'd have to check the bug report to see if updated packages have been made |
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| 09:14.35 | Guerin | rixth: no, but it shows what it was built with, from which you can infer the configure command |
| 09:14.43 | rixth | Ack. |
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| 09:14.51 | Guerin | rixth: the only way you can is to read the makefile or the configure log |
| 09:14.52 | Sphearion | Apache running a threaded MPM, but your PHP Module is not compiled to be threadsafeYou need to recompile PHP |
| 09:14.54 | Sphearion | hmmm |
| 09:14.57 | netman1 | Miles_Teg: hmm, looks like spaces were left out around the "[" and "]" |
| 09:15.02 | Guerin | Sphearion: run worker |
| 09:15.02 | markybob | liable, that is true. i made an assumption that someone who didnt check bug reports wouldnt know how to compile without needing such things. |
| 09:15.20 | Sphearion | im confused |
| 09:15.23 | rixth | Guerin, well- the damn Apache installation that comes with Redhat doesn't provide apxs so I can't compile PHP. Narf. |
| 09:15.32 | liable | markybob: np, understood ;) |
| 09:15.37 | Sphearion | Guerin it installed the mpm deps itself |
| 09:15.39 | Guerin | rixth: red hat sucks, film at 11 |
| 09:15.48 | Sphearion | im confused |
| 09:15.48 | TTT | Hi, x.org 6.8.2, ATI Radeon 9250, debian/sid, i have one of those LCD displays with only 1 button attached via DVI, how do I change brightness/contrast in X in software? |
| 09:15.57 | Guerin | Sphearion: just install the worker mpm and be happy |
| 09:15.58 | Chance | liable haven't used initrd |
| 09:16.21 | WE_R_ONE | how do I read over the errors when I have done make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image |
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| 09:16.34 | liable | Chance: then you have probably forgotten to build in drivers for your neccesarry devices/filesystem. |
| 09:16.40 | Sphearion | Setting up apache2-mpm-worker (2.0.54-4) ... |
| 09:16.41 | Sphearion | Starting web server: Apache2[Sun Nov 13 01:16:30 2005] [crit] Apache is running a threaded MPM, but your PHP Module is not compiled to be threadsafe. You need to recompile PHP. |
| 09:16.53 | liable | Chance: this is why we have debian images ;) |
| 09:17.03 | Guerin | Sphearion: using all debian packages? |
| 09:17.06 | Sphearion | yes |
| 09:17.10 | Chance | liable not really compiled it twice same thing |
| 09:17.17 | Guerin | Sphearion: dunno, then. |
| 09:17.29 | Guerin | Chance: do you need to use a handbuilt kernel? |
| 09:17.31 | Sphearion | ill just uninstall --purge everything todo with apache2 / php5 |
| 09:17.34 | liable | Chance: just because you compiled it twice, doesnt mean you got it right.. |
| 09:17.52 | Chance | i'm not stupid ya know ? |
| 09:17.54 | Chance | :) |
| 09:17.58 | Guerin | Chance: if not, use debian kernel images or stop bugging us about your inability to build a kernel |
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| 09:18.14 | Guerin | Chance: well, clearly you didn't get something right, else it would work |
| 09:18.16 | markybob | being stupid and compiling without the need of initrd are totally different things. |
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| 09:18.40 | Chance | thanks liable |
| 09:18.55 | Chance | Guerin yea wathever thanks for "help" and comments as well |
| 09:19.07 | Guerin | Chance: you're welcome. |
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| 09:20.55 | Miles_Teg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:21.15 | WE_R_ONE | how do I get my kernel to build with gcc-4.0.3 |
| 09:21.16 | markybob | Miles_Teg, that wont help with the current bugs |
| 09:21.24 | WE_R_ONE | MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.4 HOSTCC=gcc-3.4 <-- should i change this? |
| 09:21.29 | Miles_Teg | and don't just try using 2.6 kernel withouth then |
| 09:21.37 | markybob | Miles_Teg, #336724 #336418 |
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| 09:21.53 | Miles_Teg | sorry, I don't read the whole talk |
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| 09:26.13 | bassMonkey | is there a way to use cron to first run a perl script and then immediately when that finishes run another? Or should I just make a shellscript that runs those two commands and use cron to start that? |
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| 09:26.31 | emurz | is it better to enable "kernel framebuffer device interface" or to turn it off? |
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| 09:26.45 | markybob | bassMonkey, swell with two |
| 09:26.49 | Rounin | Hello... Is there any reason why tar suddenly fails to extract bz2 files? |
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| 09:27.00 | Rounin | The version I got in Debian fails on all tar.bz2 files, it seems |
| 09:27.11 | markybob | emurz, depends on your needs. most people would probably want on |
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| 09:27.22 | markybob | Rounin, your command is what? |
| 09:27.54 | Rounin | tar -xjvf file.tar.bz2 or tar -xvf --bzip2 file.tar.bz2 |
| 09:27.56 | LootBeer | how do u mount a cd of mp3's in linux? |
| 09:28.11 | Rounin | sudo mount /mnt/cdrom I guess |
| 09:28.14 | Rounin | Or osmething like it |
| 09:28.55 | markybob | LootBeer, mount /dev/cdrom /mnt should do you |
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| 09:29.07 | Gumby | has anyone here used make-kpkg to create a kernel image with the debian 2.6.8 kernel source? I keep getting an error when trying to do so but I cant find anything online about it |
| 09:29.13 | LootBeer | i tried it.. but it say too many filesystem? why? |
| 09:29.17 | Miles_Teg | markybob, rally, I'm still having troubles with vga=791 in the prebuilt kernel after the last upgrades, maybe I must try putting the necessary modules in the /etc/mkinird/modules and see if this works |
| 09:29.27 | Miles_Teg | rally, sorry |
| 09:29.32 | Miles_Teg | really, oops |
| 09:29.36 | bibe | Gumby : what kind of error? how did you configure the kernel? |
| 09:29.38 | liable | Miles_Teg: xserver wont start? |
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| 09:30.05 | liable | Miles_Teg: remove the vga= line. read bts for linux-image-2.6 |
| 09:30.05 | Miles_Teg | X starts, framebuffers do not |
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| 09:30.07 | markybob | Miles_Teg, has a lot to do with your hardware as well. |
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| 09:30.31 | Rounin | So did you figure out why it isn't working, markybob? |
| 09:30.40 | Miles_Teg | I have framebuffers running just fine in my compiled kernel with built in mode |
| 09:30.41 | Rounin | I'm just using the same command as in all other distros, but to no avail |
| 09:30.48 | krad | hi. is there a way to enable the scroll bar for xterm? |
| 09:30.58 | liable | Miles_Teg: read the damn bts |
| 09:30.59 | markybob | Rounin, you're funny. what's the exact error? not paraphrased |
| 09:31.02 | Miles_Teg | I think putting the module in initrd works too |
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| 09:31.04 | Guerin | krad: it's enabled by default |
| 09:31.08 | LootBeer | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom, |
| 09:31.08 | LootBeer | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:31.17 | krad | Guerin, not here ... |
| 09:31.18 | markybob | LootBeer, is it iso9660 ? |
| 09:31.22 | Rounin | markybob: tar: bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory |
| 09:31.22 | Rounin | tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now |
| 09:31.22 | Rounin | tar: Child returned status 2 |
| 09:31.22 | Rounin | tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors |
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| 09:31.32 | Rounin | I've "left" channel #debian |
| 09:31.34 | Rounin | That was new |
| 09:31.35 | Guerin | krad: then something in your xresources has disabled it |
| 09:31.39 | LootBeer | markybob>its a coolection of mp3 |
| 09:31.41 | markybob | that's what happens when you flood |
| 09:31.42 | Guerin | Rounin: don't fuycking paste |
| 09:31.50 | Rounin | Then don't ask me what the error was |
| 09:32.00 | Guerin | Rounin: then don't complain when we can't help you |
| 09:32.06 | Rounin | Then help me |
| 09:32.06 | liable | hah |
| 09:32.07 | markybob | are you fucking serious? htf do you think you are? |
| 09:32.09 | Guerin | Rounin: read the goddamn topic |
| 09:32.10 | Gumby | bibe: Ive tried make menuconfig and only changing the cpu to athlon/k7, Ive tried make oldconfig, and Ive tried not doing anything. the error is ... one sec. Let me grab, extract, and do it once more.... |
| 09:32.26 | Rounin | How about just telling me why tar doesn't work then, like it does everywhere else |
| 09:32.33 | liable | Rounin: read the /topic, user a paster, or #flood for that shit. |
| 09:32.38 | Rounin | Surely you must have noticed that tar doesn't unzip bz2 files |
| 09:32.43 | Rounin | Yes, that's fine, OK |
| 09:32.44 | markybob | Rounin, how about you stop being an ass? i was helping you, but now you can go fuck yourself |
| 09:32.46 | Guerin | Rounin: you don't have bzip2 installed |
| 09:32.50 | Rounin | No you weren't helping me |
| 09:32.56 | Guerin | Rounin: as the error clearly states |
| 09:32.58 | Rounin | Well, thank you. That's help. |
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| 09:33.10 | Rounin | No, it doesn't. I wasn't trying to decompress bzip2. |
| 09:33.16 | markybob | Guerin, dont worry about people like that |
| 09:33.17 | Guerin | Rounin: so perhaps before getting uppity and acting like you deserve answers, you could try to help yourself in future |
| 09:33.24 | Rounin | If I were a mind-reader then I wouldn't need to ask for help |
| 09:33.28 | liable | Rounin: dont be a troll, or you wont get help from anyone. |
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| 09:33.33 | Rounin | And instead of asking me to help myself, you could actually help |
| 09:33.43 | Guerin | Rounin: if you were an error-message reader, you wouldn't either |
| 09:33.46 | Rounin | I wasn't getting help from anyone, and that attitude isn't very forthcoming |
| 09:33.50 | Rounin | This is a help channel after all |
| 09:33.52 | Sphearion | ugg even apache1 with php is asking me to save file instead of parsing and I uncommented the addtype lines in the httpd.conf |
| 09:33.54 | markybob | yes. we can magically see what's going on with your computer without you giving us specifics |
| 09:33.58 | Guerin | Rounin: please go and fuck yourself now |
| 09:34.02 | markybob | thakn yoU!@ |
| 09:34.03 | Rounin | I expected to be able to ask for help in the help channel |
| 09:34.05 | Rounin | Not to get flamed |
| 09:34.06 | liable | Rounin: seeing as you arent paying us, demanding help is kinda arrogant. |
| 09:34.12 | markybob | Rounin, you were getting help! that's what you dont fucking understand |
| 09:34.12 | Guerin | Rounin: i told you your fucking problem, now go and solve it. |
| 09:34.13 | Rounin | I didn't demand help |
| 09:34.13 | Gumby | bibe: error is as follows..... it happens about 10 seconds into the compile. |
| 09:34.15 | Gumby | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:34.15 | Gumby | {standard input}: Assembler messages: |
| 09:34.15 | Gumby | {standard input}:753: Error: suffix or operands invalid for `mov' |
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| 09:34.18 | Rounin | ou were the ones who started flaming me |
| 09:34.19 | Guerin | GODDAMN |
| 09:34.24 | markybob | fuck |
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| 09:34.35 | Guerin | Gumby: you dumb motherfucker |
| 09:34.36 | Gumby | 3 lines is a flood? sorry |
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| 09:34.43 | Rounin | If providing help is some sort of burden to you, then why don't you just stop doing it |
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| 09:34.50 | kelmo | why so much bad language in such a large channel ladies and gents? |
| 09:34.54 | mamar | Hi |
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| 09:34.56 | Guerin | Rounin: already helped you |
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| 09:35.03 | Rounin | Yes, I know |
| 09:35.10 | Guerin | kelmo: why so much stupid motherfuckers? |
| 09:35.14 | markybob | kelmo, because there's a report coming our on profanity in #debian and we're trying to help it out |
| 09:35.15 | bibe | Gumby : read the /topic, don't paste here |
| 09:35.21 | Guerin | oh yeah |
| 09:35.22 | markybob | kelmo, sadly, i'm not kidding about such a report existing |
| 09:35.26 | liable | hah |
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| 09:35.33 | Guerin | kingsley: still collecting stats for your cussin' report? |
| 09:35.35 | liable | fuck the report :) |
| 09:35.39 | markybob | i'm not the only one who knows about that report, right? |
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| 09:35.46 | markybob | i was laughing my ass off when i heard about that |
| 09:35.47 | liable | no |
| 09:35.58 | Gumby | bibe: my apologies. Any ideas with the kernel issue? |
| 09:35.58 | outlaw84 | I am looking for a way to setup a fax ( I have a real serial modem). I wanto to be able to "print" to the fax from any application... |
| 09:36.12 | liable | i dunno if anyone is actually paying any attention to it though. |
| 09:36.15 | bibe | Gumby : are you compiling on an athlon/k7 machine? |
| 09:36.20 | Gumby | bibe: yes |
| 09:36.33 | Guerin | kingsley: i have some feedback |
| 09:36.41 | WE_R_ONE | Make sure you have gcc 2.95.3 available |
| 09:36.45 | markybob | Guerin, hahaha :) |
| 09:36.48 | WE_R_ONE | where can I get gcc 2.95.3 |
| 09:36.59 | Guerin | markybob: no, really ... I do. |
| 09:37.04 | Gumby | bibe: but it doesnt seem to matter. If I leave the default Pentium Pro in .config I get the same error |
| 09:37.07 | Guerin | WE_R_ONE: why do you need it? |
| 09:37.11 | markybob | Guerin, he doesnt understand that it's because of what we just went through that there's cursing in here. |
| 09:37.30 | markybob | Guerin, try to help someone out and before you even get all the info they're jumping all over you demanding that you fix their problems |
| 09:37.34 | Gumby | bibe: there is about 5 of those error lines with "{standard input}:753: Error: suffix or operands invalid for `mov'" |
| 09:37.37 | Guerin | markybob: it's not even that |
| 09:37.41 | bibe | Gumby : well, I always compile a kernel after installing, at least, build-essential debhelper devscripts dh-make module-assistant kernel-package bzip2 fakeroot... |
| 09:37.43 | Guerin | i swear when i'm happy too |
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| 09:37.59 | markybob | for those of you who have no idea what we're talking about, http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ |
| 09:38.08 | liable | saying fuck these days is about as bad as not wearing knickerbockers to the beach. |
| 09:38.15 | Guerin | haha |
| 09:38.19 | Gumby | bibe: I am using the debian way of make-kpkg kernel-image. but make fails also. I'll check on those packages |
| 09:38.27 | WE_R_ONE | Guerin, to compile the kernel kernel-source-2.4.27 |
| 09:38.29 | Guerin | at this time I must say.... |
| 09:38.32 | Guerin | !fcc song |
| 09:38.44 | Guerin | WE_R_ONE: you don't need 2.95 to build that |
| 09:38.48 | SimonRaven | @liable++ |
| 09:38.55 | WE_R_ONE | I am currently getting errors |
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| 09:39.04 | SimonRaven | fuck yeh! |
| 09:39.05 | Guerin | WE_R_ONE: that'll build cleanly with 3.4 or whatever was in sarge |
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| 09:39.20 | bibe | Gumby : but it seems related to some assembler issues, like there are incompatibilities between some .config values |
| 09:39.23 | yos | hi |
| 09:39.24 | WE_R_ONE | Guerin, how do I look at my error log |
| 09:39.26 | Gumby | bibe: bubt I dont think that is the problem as I just did make-kpkg kernel-image from linux-source-2.6.14 |
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| 09:39.44 | Guerin | WE_R_ONE: when you build your kernel, use tee or somesuch to output it to a file |
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| 09:40.09 | Guerin | oh god |
| 09:40.22 | Guerin | beastie boys have released a greatest hits compilation |
| 09:40.26 | Guerin | they're officially past it |
| 09:40.34 | dondelelcaro | they've been past it for a while. |
| 09:40.36 | WE_R_ONE | make[2]: *** [process.o] Error 1 |
| 09:40.36 | WE_R_ONE | make[2]: Leaving directory `/src/kernel-source-2.4.27/arch/i386/kernel' |
| 09:40.36 | WE_R_ONE | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:40.52 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: since 1995 |
| 09:40.54 | dondelelcaro | (basically, ever since mix master mike) |
| 09:41.01 | Guerin | such a dammn shame |
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| 09:41.17 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*; it's the nature of things. There are better groups out there |
| 09:41.22 | Guerin | http://www.pythonline.com/plugs/idle/FCCSong.mp3 <-- this was the song I was referring to |
| 09:41.24 | bibe | Gumby : the error was in arch/i386/ !!! |
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| 09:41.38 | enveezee | I havent listened to the Beastie Boys since Lisc. To Ill |
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| 09:42.00 | SimonRaven | !free software song |
| 09:42.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, free software song is http://www.gnu.org/music/free-software-song.ogg or http://audio-video.gnu.org/audio/Fenster-Free-Software-Song.ogg or http://www.jonobacon.org/music/solo/jonobacon-freesoftwaresong.ogg or not http://www.jwz.org/hacks/why-cooperation-with-rms-is-impossible.mp3, or http://www.chaosandorder.us/emcee/2-September-04-CoderzMansionII.mp3, or cd / ; for dir in * ; do cd $dir && cat * > /dev/dsp ... |
| 09:42.04 | markybob | Guerin, great song, indeed :) |
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| 09:42.15 | Gumby | bibe: this last time I hadnt chosen athlon/k7 |
| 09:42.34 | SimonRaven | that one i pulled outta my ass |
| 09:43.03 | bibe | Gumby : ok, so the problem is that you can compile from 2.6.14 but not from 2.6.8? |
| 09:43.09 | SimonRaven | hehehe |
| 09:43.10 | Gumby | bibe: correct. |
| 09:43.17 | enveezee | for 5 years I carried your daddy's stop watch around in my ass |
| 09:43.21 | Gumby | bibe: but I have had issues with 2.6.14 with mythtv |
| 09:43.26 | enveezee | or something like that |
| 09:43.40 | bibe | Gumby : and how do you configure the kernel? from scratch? |
| 09:44.04 | Gumby | bibe: in menuconfig I changed the cpu type to athlon/k7... I get the exact same error. including i386 |
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| 09:44.27 | Gumby | bibe: I have tried make oldconfig. and also just used the defaults that are there when I do make menuconfig |
| 09:44.52 | SimonRaven | but seriously, i imagine that expression to mean something along the lines of "pulling it out of the air", or similar. isn't it what that means? |
| 09:45.04 | bibe | Gumby : but before doing so, do you copy a working config, e.g. from kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7? |
| 09:45.32 | Gumby | bibe: I dont remember if I have tried that one or not. I can try. just one second |
| 09:46.17 | bibe | Gumby : try with 'make-kpkg --config old configure' |
| 09:46.47 | Guerin | SimonRaven: yes |
| 09:46.58 | SimonRaven | ok, thanks |
| 09:47.23 | Gumby | bibe: I am not currently in the 2.6.8-2-k7 kernel |
| 09:47.32 | Gumby | I am in 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 09:48.42 | Gumby | bibe: looks like that did it |
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| 09:48.43 | bibe | Gumby : yes, but you can install (or simply download and unpack) kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 and use that config |
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| 09:49.15 | Gumby | bibe: yes, I have it on that system. I am trying that right now. |
| 09:49.26 | Gumby | might not have done it. I used it on the wrong kernel. d'oh |
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| 09:50.58 | valdyn | bibe: gcc -v |
| 09:51.06 | Dr_Fie | there's a duck in my head! |
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| 09:51.42 | DJ-Marcuzz|Game | hey, i had the super idear of taking an old pc and making an php, mysql webserver of it, that worked fine \, i set up 1 virtual server, and made maps in that folder so i would get more "virtual servers" (how can i do that the propper way?), and how can i set up an good ftp with virtual links and stuff, becaus every ftp i tryd did only share my whole pc :S, i use webmin to control it |
| 09:51.47 | nakee | is it safe to install the gcc version that is now in sid? |
| 09:51.58 | valdyn | Gumby: gcc -v |
| 09:52.03 | bibe | valdyn : thanks |
| 09:52.38 | Dr_Fie | DJ-Marcuzz: proftpd > * |
| 09:52.43 | bibe | valdyn : can Gumby be using gcc4.0? |
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| 09:52.56 | valdyn | bibe: I dont know what hes using |
| 09:52.57 | dli_ | nakee I found I need to set gcc fixed at gcc-3.4 |
| 09:53.16 | Gumby | nope, the 2.6.8-2-k7 didnt work |
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| 09:53.18 | Gumby | same error |
| 09:53.19 | valdyn | bibe: but 2.6.8 will not compile with gcc-4.x |
| 09:53.21 | DJ-Marcuzz | that only shares the whole pc :S i want an ftp i can acces dfrom explorer and only in some folders and have only some premissions |
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| 09:53.27 | Dr_Fie | DJ-Marcuzz: in the proftpd.conf file there is some stuff on how to setup anonymous logins.. it's commented out.. but that shoudl give you an idea on how to do what you're wanting to do i think |
| 09:53.34 | Dr_Fie | and there is a webmin module for proftpd |
| 09:53.47 | czr | hello, I have a hysterical raisins question. Why did debian decide to develop their own packaging system instead of using RPM? |
| 09:53.52 | bibe | Gumby : what does 'gcc -v' returns? are you trying to compile a 2.6.8 kernel with gcc 4.0? |
| 09:54.02 | Gumby | gcc -v http://rafb.net/paste/results/ri2R8M25.html |
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| 09:54.21 | markybob | DJ-Marcuzz, i suggest vstfpd |
| 09:54.25 | Gumby | gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13) |
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| 09:54.48 | Dr_Fie | DJ-Marcuzz: the proftpd module for webmin should have something for doing a virtual directory where the / is hidden |
| 09:54.48 | markybob | DJ-Marcuzz, the likes of kernel.org, redhat.com, openbsd.org, etc, all use vsftpd |
| 09:54.57 | nakee | dli_: The one in etch works fine for me, and I can't figure which new bug suddenly appeared that is blocking gcc 4.0.2-3 from entering |
| 09:54.59 | nakee | etch |
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| 09:55.13 | Dr_Fie | or if you want to do it by hand the /etc/proftpd.conf file had an anonymous configuration at the bottom which will kind of explain how to do what you want |
| 09:55.15 | markybob | nakee, checked bts? |
| 09:55.19 | czr | no debian old-timers? |
| 09:55.22 | markybob | nakee, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=gcc |
| 09:55.29 | DJ-Marcuzz | ok, can i make it like: when connection you come in /ftp, and there are links to /websites /music /file server? and all users may upload to upload, and only admins can remove files and stuff? |
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| 09:55.39 | Gumby | bibe: does it matter that I have gcc3.3, gcc3.4 and gcc4.0 installed? |
| 09:55.39 | Dr_Fie | czr: no :( i wish |
| 09:55.46 | markybob | czr, hamm here |
| 09:55.47 | WE_R_ONE | what if you have gcc 2.95 gcc 3.3 gcc 3.4 and gcc 4.0.3 |
| 09:55.53 | Dr_Fie | czr: but back then i was too much of a noob to install it |
| 09:55.59 | nakee | markybob: Yea, but how do I know which one of them is marked as blocker? |
| 09:56.01 | Dr_Fie | i didn't even know how to setup partitions ^.^ |
| 09:56.12 | czr | markybob, you know the reason why debian decided not to use RPM originally and make their own? |
| 09:56.21 | Dr_Fie | cuz rpms suck? |
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| 09:56.40 | czr | Dr_Fie, how exactly do they suck? |
| 09:56.48 | bibe | Gumby : I don't know, but I think the problem can be using a 686 kernel and compiler to build a k7 kernel... I never did such a cross-compilation |
| 09:56.53 | markybob | czr, is this a joke? is there a haha coming? |
| 09:56.55 | Dr_Fie | deps for one? |
| 09:56.58 | liable | never heard of dependancy hell? |
| 09:57.03 | Dr_Fie | exactly |
| 09:57.10 | valdyn | czr: rpm is fine, rpms did not support deps back then |
| 09:57.13 | Dr_Fie | i mean.. it's not just rpms though |
| 09:57.14 | cahoot | Dr_Fie: do they - isn't the problem more a matter of too feeble quality control |
| 09:57.16 | Serge_K | czr: dependansies |
| 09:57.17 | czr | valdyn, thanks |
| 09:57.20 | Dr_Fie | apt and emerge are the only ones that do it right |
| 09:57.21 | apt | Dr_Fie: okay |
| 09:57.24 | basix | which manufacturer is Linux friendly? I want to buy a wifi card and would like to know if there is a manufacturer out there which supplies linux drivers for their cards? I have been warned against the Texas instrument chipsets (ACX100/111)...?? Anybody?? |
| 09:57.28 | Gumby | bibe: so I should boot into a k7 kernel and then give it a shot then huh |
| 09:57.28 | DJ-Marcuzz | owke vsftpd is ainstalled, nnow getting the webmin module for that |
| 09:57.30 | dondelelcaro | apt: forget and emerge |
| 09:57.31 | apt | dondelelcaro: i forgot and emerge |
| 09:57.36 | valdyn | czr: right now though rpm does it all and its fine, the issues are elsewhere |
| 09:57.39 | czr | Dr_Fie, rpm do them just fine if you are careful enough when making the package |
| 09:57.40 | liable | apt: forget and emerge |
| 09:57.40 | apt | i didn't have anything called 'and emerge' to forget, liable |
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| 09:57.50 | liable | !lose me |
| 09:57.51 | czr | valdyn, yeah, I thought the must have been some good reason for this. thanks a lot |
| 09:57.52 | bibe | Gumby : yes, I think |
| 09:57.53 | dpkg | liable: You Lose. |
| 09:58.31 | czr | basix, intel centrino |
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| 09:58.45 | adii | hello |
| 09:58.47 | dondelelcaro | czr: the other thing is rpms didn't exist when debs were first made. |
| 09:58.47 | Dr_Fie | if rpms do have repositories i was never able to access them becuase whenever i brought up the visual package manager it was "calculating dependancies" literally for more than 2 days.. then i was like "fux this killall -9" |
| 09:58.50 | Gumby | well, here goes...hehe. remotely rebooting a machine always scares me. My work for the night could be over. |
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| 09:59.13 | czr | dondelelcaro, hmm. wasn't RH1 released before debian? |
| 09:59.28 | Dr_Fie | o_O |
| 09:59.30 | cahoot | Dr_Fie: user error ruled out? |
| 09:59.30 | dondelelcaro | czr: RH1 was released in 1995; debian was started in 1993. |
| 09:59.31 | markybob | czr, yes |
| 09:59.36 | liable | Gumby: wait. |
| 09:59.42 | czr | ok, so debian was slow even then ;-) |
| 09:59.44 | Gumby | liable: too late. lol |
| 09:59.51 | basix | czr, do they make cards for desktops?? |
| 09:59.53 | czr | don't get me wrong, I use debian-based stuff 99% |
| 09:59.56 | Dr_Fie | cahoot: of course not... i was pretty nooby then but maybe it was just THAT release of fedora cuz i know 2 other people who had the same problem |
| 10:00.01 | liable | Gumby: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Booting-fallback-systems.html |
| 10:00.03 | czr | basix, they had something but it's damn hard to find them |
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| 10:00.08 | Dr_Fie | but since then i've been anti redhat |
| 10:00.08 | dondelelcaro | czr: we had releases before 1996, but that was when 1.1 released. |
| 10:00.14 | czr | dondelelcaro, ok |
| 10:00.21 | Gumby | liable: I'll read for next time :) |
| 10:00.24 | dondelelcaro | czr: see http://bad.debian.net/list/2000-April/000804.html |
| 10:00.33 | Serge_K | czr: deb isnt slow.. its just.. on their own.. |
| 10:00.34 | markybob | dondelelcaro, i see. buzz was when it entered my radar. |
| 10:00.36 | czr | the reason why I'm asking is I'm writing about package management and trying to explain why RPM and dpkg exist |
| 10:00.42 | Dr_Fie | yeah, they helped bring linux into the public eye... but their product is still pretty shitty |
| 10:00.43 | RainbowW | why would i get a permission denied error at /usr/lib/perl5/Aache2/ModPerl/RegistryCooker.pm when trying to run a Perl-based CGI from apache2 under sarge? i'm trying to run this as a user, not as root, but the user owns all the relevant files so permission shouldn't be a big deal (should it?). where do i look? |
| 10:01.01 | czr | Serge_K, it's slow but I like it anyway |
| 10:01.07 | dondelelcaro | markybob: that was 1.1 |
| 10:01.08 | basix | czr, i hear prism chipsets are pretty well supported...which manufacturer use those chipsets? |
| 10:01.09 | Gumby | box is back up. hooray |
| 10:01.10 | Gumby | :) |
| 10:01.11 | Dr_Fie | RainbowW: cuz the httpd user dosn't have access to registrycooker.pm |
| 10:01.23 | Dr_Fie | or apache user.. hwoever it's setup |
| 10:01.33 | czr | basix, prisms are not supported, the drivers just happen to work for most of the ppl |
| 10:01.33 | dondelelcaro | markybob: the "releases" before that were all unofficial. |
| 10:01.39 | tarzeau | takatumi: 07:44 < nyu> tarzeau: wifi works fine if you know the ssid. I haven't found how to scan for ssids yet though |
| 10:01.42 | Serge_K | czr: it isnt, sorry. wanna be faster,.. use Etch or Sid.. |
| 10:01.45 | tarzeau | takatumi: can you install gnu/kfreebsd now? |
| 10:01.48 | DJ-Marcuzz | isn't there an ftp in apache, becaus im trying to set up an hosing server with web//cp, but webcp needs apache2, and i only have apache becaus of webmin, any solutions? |
| 10:01.50 | czr | basix, the only manuf that _supports_ linux with wlan is intel centrino |
| 10:01.52 | markybob | dondelelcaro, so is it really fair to say that it came before redhat? |
| 10:02.12 | czr | Serge_K, I've used debian flavours for 6 years now |
| 10:02.25 | czr | so no need to preach to the converted |
| 10:02.26 | dondelelcaro | markybob: it started before RH did, yes. |
| 10:02.27 | Serge_K | czr: me too |
| 10:02.32 | basix | czr, ok...i already knew that as i have a 2200b/g in my lappy. works perfectly ;) |
| 10:02.48 | basix | czr, netgear sucks, what about broadcom? |
| 10:02.49 | RainbowW | Dr_Fie: what kind of permission does it need? it's rw-r-r root.root |
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| 10:03.03 | czr | basix, please read my last line |
| 10:03.12 | dli_ | RainbowW, chmod 644 |
| 10:03.27 | czr | basix, yes, it sucks, but so do I |
| 10:03.43 | czr | dondelelcaro, thanks for the link |
| 10:03.56 | RainbowW | dli_: it already s. |
| 10:03.57 | RainbowW | is |
| 10:04.13 | markybob | dondelelcaro, redhat was also founded in '93, btw. |
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| 10:04.45 | basix | czr, ok... let me change my question. which manufacturer's wifi cards have the most stable drivers for linux? |
| 10:04.47 | PumpkinPie | how many IPs are in a /27 |
| 10:04.47 | Dr_Fie | RainbowW: what is that one file again? |
| 10:04.57 | Dr_Fie | i think you need 755 |
| 10:05.02 | Dr_Fie | for r_x |
| 10:05.05 | dondelelcaro | markybob: uh, no. It was founded in 94. |
| 10:05.11 | RainbowW | it's /usr/lib/perl5/Apache2/ModPerl |
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| 10:05.23 | RainbowW | ModPerl/RegistryCooker.pl |
| 10:05.34 | RainbowW | sorry, .pm |
| 10:05.35 | Gumby | bibe: nope, that fails as well |
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| 10:05.41 | czr | basix, none |
| 10:05.41 | markybob | basix, i've enjoyed linksys using http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page |
| 10:05.41 | Serge_K | basix: I guess where are compatibility lists somethere on internet... |
| 10:05.46 | Dr_Fie | well if it's a script it needs to be executable |
| 10:05.48 | dondelelcaro | markybob: at Debian's inception, there was only slackware and sls. |
| 10:05.49 | dli_ | PumpkinPie, 32 |
| 10:05.52 | Dr_Fie | 755 |
| 10:05.53 | czr | basix, but it really depends on what you consider stable |
| 10:05.59 | Dr_Fie | rwxr_xr_x |
| 10:06.18 | Dr_Fie | maybe that work |
| 10:06.20 | Dr_Fie | i goto bed now |
| 10:06.29 | Dr_Fie | peace and carrots |
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| 10:06.38 | markybob | dondelelcaro, my mistake. thanks for setting me straight |
| 10:06.51 | czr | I started with sw back then |
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| 10:06.59 | valdyn | basix: i doubt anyone can reasonably answer that question |
| 10:07.01 | RainbowW | reset to 755 and it still produces the same error |
| 10:07.05 | nakee | HA finally they are moving the GFDL docs to non free |
| 10:07.05 | czr | with a _CD_. I was lucky. had hard time finding a cd-rom drive though :-) |
| 10:07.16 | Dr_Fie | RainbowW: oh... well shit if i know then sorry |
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| 10:07.38 | Dr_Fie | czr: what version of slack were you using? |
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| 10:07.41 | RainbowW | i did my first linux install with slackware. i'd had the floppy images uuencoded and sent to me through an email gateway into fidonet. |
| 10:07.46 | RainbowW | ftp-by-mail. |
| 10:07.47 | czr | Dr_Fie, not sure now, maybe 2 or 3 |
| 10:07.54 | dondelelcaro | in any case, the point is that early on there wasn't anything else to choose from; nowdays, we won't be switching because rpm doesn't provide the features that we need, and has other features that we have no desire to support. |
| 10:08.05 | czr | 3.0 or 3.1 sounds somewhat familiar, but can't possibly remember now |
| 10:08.16 | Dr_Fie | czr: i knwo a guy who started with 2 and he setsup networks for countries and stuff |
| 10:08.33 | liable | mmmm, capers rock on pizza. |
| 10:08.35 | Dr_Fie | he used to do BBSes back in the day |
| 10:08.38 | czr | good for you Dr_Fie |
| 10:08.38 | Dr_Fie | and stuff |
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| 10:08.42 | Dr_Fie | czr: no not really |
| 10:08.44 | Dr_Fie | good for him |
| 10:08.50 | czr | well I used to do bbses back then as well |
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| 10:08.57 | czr | but that predates my linux experience |
| 10:09.00 | Dr_Fie | he has this way about making me feel like a total noob >.< |
| 10:09.07 | czr | never took the bbs world with me into linux |
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| 10:09.15 | Dr_Fie | czr: did you run them? |
| 10:09.26 | czr | didn't have time. mostly helped out friends who did |
| 10:09.31 | czr | I was always the technical geek one |
| 10:09.32 | Dr_Fie | ahh |
| 10:09.48 | dondelelcaro | Gumby: which issue? |
| 10:09.56 | czr | running bsses requires a lot of time which I didn't have back then |
| 10:09.57 | Gumby | dondelelcaro: I cant get it to compile |
| 10:10.02 | czr | indeed Serge_K |
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| 10:10.12 | czr | you could chat properly with sysops and read mail offline and all that |
| 10:10.22 | Dr_Fie | i started using linux on and off since 2002... i didn't really get into it until about 2 years ago |
| 10:10.36 | Dr_Fie | well.. a year and a half |
| 10:10.36 | czr | I think I started back in 95 |
| 10:10.38 | Dr_Fie | more like it |
| 10:10.45 | Gumby | dondelelcaro: hrm, it is installed. but gcc -v returns 3.3.5 |
| 10:10.46 | dondelelcaro | Gumby: you'll need to give us the exact error that you're getting. Use the paster bot to do so. |
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| 10:10.47 | czr | dos before that for 10 years |
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| 10:11.07 | Dr_Fie | .sigh. |
| 10:11.14 | Dr_Fie | i wish i could have been around back then |
| 10:11.25 | Dr_Fie | well... in computers at least |
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| 10:11.49 | DJ-Marcuzz | damn, i give up, i don't have a clue on how to set up those freaking ftp's, in windows, i had a nice screen where i could set up user accound and say to witch folders they have acces, and wwitch they may see, and how the virtual links are, where is that i linux :( |
| 10:11.55 | Dr_Fie | man.. in 95... i think i played solitair on 3.1 once at that point... that was about it :-/ |
| 10:12.06 | Dr_Fie | DJ-Marcuzz: in windows? |
| 10:12.15 | RainbowW | does a <location /blah> handler in an apache config file point to an absolute dir, or to a relative dir off apache's virtual host? |
| 10:12.18 | dondelelcaro | DJ-Marcuzz: depends which ftp daemon you're using; they all have configuration files that you munge. |
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| 10:12.38 | dondelelcaro | RainbowW: locations are URI, directories are real directories. |
| 10:12.40 | Dr_Fie | RainbowW: absolute |
| 10:12.49 | dondelelcaro | RainbowW: where they map to the filesystem depends on the mapping of the URI to the filesystem. |
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| 10:13.03 | DJ-Marcuzz | it cant be done in conf files, you really need an screen to give all the premissions, i have some secure ftp servfer in windows, that whas easy to set up, but this its horreble :S |
| 10:13.10 | Dr_Fie | URI? |
| 10:13.13 | Gumby | dondelelcaro: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1093 |
| 10:13.15 | Serge_K | DJ-Marcuzz: try pure-ftps its easy and I guess they have a Windoze port |
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| 10:13.30 | DJ-Marcuzz | isn't there an easy ftp server in linux with an xwindow where i can config like in windows :S |
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| 10:13.42 | Guerin | DJ-Marcuzz: no. |
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| 10:13.58 | Guerin | DJ-Marcuzz: vsftpd is easy |
| 10:14.01 | czr | DJ-Marcuzz, you can pay someone to write you a simple graphical front-end if you like |
| 10:14.09 | czr | or try to find the gui-tool somewhere on the net |
| 10:14.18 | resiak | DJ-Marcuzz: You could write the frontend and benefit the world. |
| 10:14.18 | czr | it's not the way to do stuff in unix-like systems anyway |
| 10:14.33 | Serge_K | DJ-Marcuzz: pure-ftpd. and you even havent to configure it:) |
| 10:14.34 | DJ-Marcuzz | hhow the hell do you guys set up an ftp with virtual links, user and group managemnt and stuff :S |
| 10:14.54 | czr | DJ-Marcuzz, man conf, vi conf, restart daemon |
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| 10:14.59 | Guerin | DJ-Marcuzz: those sorts of things are all in unix already |
| 10:15.01 | markybob | DJ-Marcuzz, we read the docs |
| 10:15.28 | czr | DJ-Marcuzz, unix-like systems are different from windows in that you need to know what you're doing before doing it |
| 10:15.29 | Guerin | DJ-Marcuzz: just use unix users and groups, and make certain you deny shell logins to them, and/or enforce encryption |
| 10:15.30 | DJ-Marcuzz | yeah i read the conf, but it oesn;t come near to what i need |
| 10:15.30 | RainbowW | shit my battery is dying |
| 10:15.34 | Serge_K | DJ-Marcuzz: mad passwd.. man adduser:) |
| 10:15.38 | czr | DJ-Marcuzz, and it's never been a big problem |
| 10:16.04 | Gumby | dondelelcaro: I removed gcc4.0-base. I get the same error |
| 10:16.06 | RainbowW | frickin ihop i'm in only has power outlets on the 12 foot ceilings |
| 10:16.09 | markybob | DJ-Marcuzz, dont just read the conf file. read the *docs* |
| 10:16.21 | dondelelcaro | Gumby: you may have a version of binutils that is too new for that kernel (or too old) |
| 10:16.29 | Gumby | dondelelcaro: hrm, ok |
| 10:16.32 | dondelelcaro | Gumby: there are some other people who have seen the same problem, though. |
| 10:16.36 | czr | anyhow, thanks all for the historical stuff |
| 10:16.38 | dondelelcaro | Gumby: which version of binutils are you using? |
| 10:16.41 | DJ-Marcuzz | i don;t need users on my pc, i want users on that ftp, like user henk may acces /music and may download that, but doesn see /websites, only user admin sees that and can delete stuff there |
| 10:16.43 | czr | I'll just lurk around here for a while then |
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| 10:17.13 | markybob | DJ-Marcuzz, yes. vsftpd and read docs. http://vsftpd.beasts.org/ |
| 10:17.16 | czr | btw, if someone old-timer wants to check the material I'd be most grateful |
| 10:17.32 | czr | I'll do my own fixed first but it might be that I've been smoking crack while writing it (wrt facts) |
| 10:17.33 | enveezee | czr: haha |
| 10:17.35 | DJ-Marcuzz | i try that pure-ftpd now, it looks promising |
| 10:17.39 | dondelelcaro | czr: which material? |
| 10:17.44 | enveezee | czr: thats not really the best way to say it |
| 10:17.53 | enveezee | czr: guru or something would be better than old-timer |
| 10:17.54 | czr | it's a chapter about package management for 770 |
| 10:17.59 | czr | old-timer with respect |
| 10:18.00 | DJ-Marcuzz | ps, can you guys accees: http://www.web-cp.net? |
| 10:18.13 | dondelelcaro | czr: ah, you're working with mooch? |
| 10:18.15 | czr | the material covers writing software for the 770 |
| 10:18.21 | czr | dondelelcaro, nope? |
| 10:18.26 | czr | I'm not working for nokia at all |
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| 10:18.38 | dondelelcaro | ah. |
| 10:18.43 | enveezee | czr: I've been using linux for nearly a decade and I've been using debian and hanging out here for 5 years. but I am not an old-timer :P |
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| 10:18.54 | RainbowW | i guess i can't get this working before my battery dies. :-( |
| 10:19.07 | RainbowW | bah. |
| 10:19.08 | enveezee | dondelelcaro: are you an old-timer? :) |
| 10:19.09 | Gumby | dondelelcaro: I am using 2.15-6 (or at least I am now) |
| 10:19.11 | czr | well, let me rephrase that then |
| 10:19.26 | czr | "people who have been related to debian for many years" |
| 10:19.37 | czr | I didn't mean any disrespect |
| 10:19.44 | enveezee | old-timer makes me think of a buggy old via board or something |
| 10:19.52 | enveezee | hehe |
| 10:20.03 | dondelelcaro | !+info binutils |
| 10:20.05 | dpkg | binutils: (The GNU assembler, linker and binary utilities), section devel, is standard. Version: 2.16.1cvs20051109-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2533 kB, Installed size: 6800 kB |
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| 10:20.47 | czr | anyhow, I'll be back when the chapter is corrected |
| 10:20.49 | Gumby | dondelelcaro: is that supposed to tell me something? I am using sarge, but I may have some testing packages installed |
| 10:20.51 | jak | stat /bin/tempfile gives 'Invalid argument' -- sounds like filesystem corruption. Any idea how to proceed? I have XFS on / |
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| 10:21.56 | Guerin | jak: xfstools has a fsck |
| 10:22.02 | Guerin | jak: good luck with it |
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| 10:22.36 | liable | damn just ripped a two hour stream, and streamripper botched it ;( |
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| 10:22.50 | Guerin | liable: use mplayer -dumpstream |
| 10:23.15 | jak | looks like I'll need to boot from a rescue cd |
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| 10:23.43 | liable | Guerin: yeah i used to use mplayer, but streamripper is much better imo, except it seems to baulk a lot. |
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| 10:24.24 | Gumby | dondelelcaro: the new binutils package (or one of the packages uninstalled along with the old one) seemed to take care of the problem. I am happily compiling now |
| 10:25.23 | dondelelcaro | Gumby: cool. |
| 10:25.47 | Gumby | thank you for the help. |
| 10:25.59 | Cyis | Problem... installed initramfs as I need it for 2.6.14 kernel which builds the ramdisk okay it would seem; however when I go to boot it up I get an error that /dev/hda1 doesn't exist and it drops me to busybox shell |
| 10:26.06 | Cyis | Need to get this working ASAP |
| 10:26.17 | Gumby | well, it was probably a left over package from testing (maybe even unstable) I thought I had gotten rid of everything installed but I guess not. |
| 10:26.23 | DJ-Marcuzz | should i install pureftpd trough apt-get or a .deb pack from their site? |
| 10:26.33 | Gumby | Is there a way to see if I still have testing or unstable packages installed? |
| 10:26.34 | dondelelcaro | Cyis: 2.6.14 doesn't have devfs, so you can't use mkinitrd. You need to use yaird or similar. |
| 10:26.54 | dondelelcaro | Gumby: apt-cache policy foopkg; |
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| 10:27.16 | Gumby | dondelelcaro: so its only on a per package basis then? |
| 10:27.24 | Cyis | don_inlab: I know... it requires mkinitramfs for > 2.6.13 which is why I install initramfs-tools from unstable as it's not in testing yet |
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| 10:27.41 | Cyis | don_inlab: I don't use devfs on this laptop |
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| 10:28.03 | Cyis | dondelelcaro: so my grub config has always used /dev/hda1 for root= |
| 10:28.06 | hebfftijd | just install kernel 2.6.14 following this site http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/index.php works perfect |
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| 10:28.47 | dondelelcaro | Gumby: apt-cache policy; will also give you some idea. |
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| 10:29.31 | dondelelcaro | Cyis: you misunderstand me; the old style initrds use devfs in order to provide /dev; since 2.6.14 doesn't have devfs, you'll have to use yaird or similar. |
| 10:29.36 | DJ-Marcuzz | Serge_K, do you use pure-ftpd |
| 10:29.39 | DJ-Marcuzz | ? |
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| 10:30.19 | Serge_K | DJ-Marcuzz: yes I do |
| 10:30.41 | Cyis | dondelelcaro: I noticed a reference to mkinitrd.yaird but the postinst would error out with anything but mkinitramfs |
| 10:31.24 | Cyis | hebfftijd: your 2.6 kernel URL is outdated for "testing" |
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| 10:31.56 | DJ-Marcuzz | do u use the xwindow part? |
| 10:32.11 | dondelelcaro | Cyis: did have you installed yaird? |
| 10:32.15 | dondelelcaro | s/did// |
| 10:32.56 | Cyis | no... I installed initram-tools instead... I'm downloading but until this is resolved the laptop has no net access and I need it ready to leave in 5 hours to go to Las Vegas... |
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| 10:33.25 | dondelelcaro | Cyis: so downgrade to your previous kernel version. |
| 10:33.25 | Cyis | I'm sneaker-netting packages over via USB disk |
| 10:33.27 | Serge_K | DJ-Marcuzz: no.. I dont need it. pure-ftpd can use its own user base or common passwd base in linux.. I use the second. it doesnt need any special management |
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| 10:33.49 | RaRe | can anyone help me please? it's about enemy-territory, I cant run it.. here's the error log http://pastebin.com/427567 |
| 10:34.02 | liable | carles: so do away with initrd and compile in.. |
| 10:34.05 | DJ-Marcuzz | how can i strat the xwindow part after installing pure-ftpd trough apt-get? |
| 10:34.16 | liable | Cyis: ^^ |
| 10:34.16 | Cyis | don_inlab: previous kernel is having problems accessing because its < 2.6.12 so udev fails to load |
| 10:34.26 | jak | Guerin: thanks, xfs_repair from a knoppix livecd did the job |
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| 10:34.39 | Guerin | jak: nice. XFS rides again! |
| 10:34.50 | Guerin | jak: what caused the corruption? power failure? |
| 10:35.03 | Serge_K | DJ-Marcuzz: I have no idea.. why do you need it at all? the config file is pretty simple.. you edit it once and forget bout it then.. |
| 10:35.18 | jak | Guerin: no idea. Maybe too much heat |
| 10:35.19 | enveezee | RaRe: I dont think enemy-territory is a debian package. so thats irrelevant. |
| 10:35.34 | jak | Guerin: the hd is a deathstar after all |
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| 10:35.35 | DJ-Marcuzz | yeah, but what i need, i cant just drop that in a conf file its to complex |
| 10:35.36 | adii | hello |
| 10:35.50 | DJ-Marcuzz | and i cant even enter the freaking ftp trough explorer :S |
| 10:35.54 | enveezee | RaRe: however your problems seem to be with the X server missing a GLX extension for rendering opengl with a driver for your hardware |
| 10:35.58 | Guerin | jak: just threaten it with your x-wing and it'll start towing the line again |
| 10:36.08 | jak | Guerin: heh |
| 10:36.11 | Cyis | I love how non-major Kernel upgrades require ramdisk tool upgrades so frequently... IIRC this is the third |
| 10:36.17 | doleyb | RaRe: first make sure you can run glxgears well. To use enemy-territory, you basically need nvidia divers. |
| 10:36.19 | enveezee | RaRe: if you want to play any games with GLX in debian or not, you need 3d drivers and the GLX extension |
| 10:36.34 | RaRe | ok thanx |
| 10:36.44 | RaRe | but i have nvidia drivers installed |
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| 10:36.55 | doleyb | RaRe: what fps do you get from glxgears? |
| 10:36.57 | Cyis | okay... yaird installed |
| 10:36.57 | Guerin | RaRe: apparently not. |
| 10:37.01 | RaRe | not sure what glxgears mean though, ill search for it. thanx |
| 10:37.01 | adii | using etch with 2.6.8. i have a P4P800 as a motherboard and i think my USB ports ain't detected, because i can't use my mouse in usb mode, and my external hard drive (usb too) .. what should i do ? |
| 10:37.02 | enveezee | RaRe: you ran the binary from intel or what? |
| 10:37.05 | liable | can you get enemy territory for free for linux/ |
| 10:37.06 | Cyis | dondelelcaro: do I need to regenerate the ramdisk now? |
| 10:37.09 | liable | ? |
| 10:37.16 | Guerin | liable: beer free |
| 10:37.17 | dondelelcaro | Cyis: with yaird, yes. |
| 10:37.19 | RaRe | i got it from apt-get |
| 10:37.19 | enveezee | RaRe: glxgears is a test application for glx |
| 10:37.23 | dondelelcaro | mkinitrd.yaird |
| 10:37.33 | enveezee | RaRe: you build it using module assistant? |
| 10:37.37 | Serge_K | DJ-Marcuzz: well common sence in linux is that all GUI interfaces are evil. Guess there's a webmil module for pure-ftps, though I dont use it |
| 10:37.51 | RaRe | module assistant? i guess |
| 10:37.57 | doleyb | RaRe: glxgears is a test app included with x, if you can't get it to run, do even bother with et. (it should give you at least 1000 fps) |
| 10:37.58 | EdLin | !webmail |
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| 10:38.18 | RaRe | ok |
| 10:38.25 | enveezee | RaRe: if you guess you are probably wrong. you probably installed some nvidia kernel headers or something of the like and didnt really install anything |
| 10:38.30 | EdLin | dpkg: test |
| 10:38.30 | dpkg | Sorry, edlin, I didn't get your test. |
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| 10:38.37 | Cyis | maybe should file a bug on make-kpkg unless it's fixed in unstable... the kernel-image's built with make-kpkg force use of mkinitramfs rather than yaird for kernels greater than 2.6.13 |
| 10:38.47 | RaRe | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 10:38.47 | RaRe | Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual |
| 10:39.08 | RaRe | i guess i can't run glxgears |
| 10:39.10 | enveezee | !tell Rare about nvidia-oneliner |
| 10:39.18 | enveezee | !tell Rare about nvidia one-liner |
| 10:39.23 | RaRe | thanx <3 |
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| 10:41.06 | jonx | how would I determine my list of repositories? |
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| 10:41.25 | doleyb | jonx: read /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:41.29 | EdLin | jonx: cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:41.36 | jonx | thanks guys |
| 10:41.43 | enveezee | jonx: its kept in /etc/apt/sources.list and apt-setup is a curses based frontend for managing it |
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| 10:42.29 | enveezee | damn its going on 6am |
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| 10:42.35 | enveezee | I've been asleep awhile I guess |
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| 10:42.55 | enveezee | either that or someone rooted me and changed my clock |
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| 10:43.33 | Cyis | ok... adding "ramdisk = ... " to run mkinitrd.yaird in kernel-img.conf worked to override |
| 10:43.56 | Cyis | now to try rebooting |
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| 10:44.46 | Cyis | trying to get this fixed so I can go join my fiance in bed... she's getting flustered with me not being in bed yet and we have to leave by 8am |
| 10:45.00 | enveezee | I need to toss a hd and a monitor on this lady's pc I guess and run badblocks and memtest on it and then thrash it around awhile and see if it choaks on me.. if not I am gonna have to call her and figure out what she wants to pay to have done with it. I am _not_ supporting winMe :P if she wants a new hd thats fine if she wants me to fix winme thats not :P |
| 10:45.21 | Cyis | dondelelcaro: thank you... that seems to have fixed it |
| 10:45.22 | enveezee | Cyis: forget the PC. |
| 10:45.47 | enveezee | Cyis: it doesnt have feelings, and will always be there for you as long as you pay the electric bill |
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| 10:46.26 | blondie | how thoughtless |
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| 10:46.30 | blondie | my PCs have feelings |
| 10:46.36 | blondie | and I love them |
| 10:46.41 | dondelelcaro | Cyis: cool. |
| 10:46.48 | enveezee | blondie: you need to get out more |
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| 10:46.52 | blondie | nah |
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| 10:46.57 | blondie | inside is better |
| 10:47.06 | Cyis | dondelelcaro: now looks like I can get some sleep before driving to Vegas for our wedding |
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| 10:47.32 | dondelelcaro | Cyis: we're not getting married. |
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| 10:47.41 | enveezee | haha |
| 10:47.44 | liable | hah |
| 10:47.45 | loxley_ | :) |
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| 10:47.49 | Cyis | dondelelcaro: nope... but my fiance and I are :) |
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| 10:47.57 | EdLin | Cyis: you get the badge of purge geekdom, upgrading your kernel on your wedding day. |
| 10:48.04 | liable | heh |
| 10:48.11 | enveezee | Cyis: never mind, work on the pc.. vegas weddings usually only last a week anyhow |
| 10:48.17 | Cyis | EdLin: nope... this is pre-wedding day activities :) |
| 10:48.29 | dimitri | anyone using php-mysql here ? Don't shout my question is debian related, when creating an new user via the console and I try to connect via php I got the error "Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server; consider upgrading MySQL client" |
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| 10:49.21 | enveezee | I'd like to go further than vegas myself. I've seen plenty of the states |
| 10:49.21 | blondie | dimitri: nah it's not debian related |
| 10:49.21 | dimitri | on the php and mysql channel, i have been advised to update my mysql client (here php) but I am using debian Sarge and I don't want to mess around with backported package |
| 10:49.42 | blondie | dimitri: you have to change the authentication type that mysql is using |
| 10:49.47 | Cyis | enveezee: you must be a lonely individual because you seem to have the personality of a cold dead fish... maybe you should go to CO and meet my ex... |
| 10:49.56 | dimitri | blondie: ok and that is ? |
| 10:50.06 | blondie | dimitri: umm I don't remember |
| 10:50.07 | blondie | :| |
| 10:50.12 | enveezee | Cyis: heh. |
| 10:50.12 | dimitri | ok thanks |
| 10:50.14 | EdLin | sundays just keep getting weirder |
| 10:50.20 | enveezee | never heard that one before |
| 10:51.03 | heanol | good morning |
| 10:51.03 | DJ-Marcuzz | here, look here http://iftpd.sourceforge.net/index.php?page=html-features at the virtual part, and the user part, thats what i want, now in a piece of linux software that is a little more proffesional, becaus an java progs is a bit unstable, and slow :S |
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| 10:51.11 | enveezee | I dont have the most perfect personality but I sure do get a lot of attention what I do with that attention must be where the cold fish thing comes into play :P |
| 10:51.12 | cafuego_ | !lk |
| 10:51.12 | dpkg | it has been said that lk is lkay. Sri Lanka |
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| 10:52.51 | enveezee | damn it is sunday |
| 10:52.58 | enveezee | all day unless it rains |
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| 10:53.34 | DJ-Marcuzz | oef, great the software that does what i want kosts 400 bucks :S |
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| 10:54.14 | dondelelcaro | just use proftpd; it does virtual users. |
| 10:54.20 | troop | how come there is no nvidia-glx or nvidia-kernel-source in unstable/testing? |
| 10:54.32 | enveezee | I gotta get this broads number or else I cant work out a deal on this pc.. I am broke I need money to last me until thursday :P |
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| 10:54.34 | DJ-Marcuzz | and virtual directories? |
| 10:54.40 | DJ-Marcuzz | and links |
| 10:54.42 | Cyis | damn... now my Cisco WiFi card isn't working |
| 10:54.52 | dondelelcaro | !info nvidia-glx |
| 10:54.54 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.7174-4 (sid), Packaged size: 2966 kB, Installed size: 9592 kB |
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| 10:54.59 | dondelelcaro | troop: you were saying? |
| 10:55.12 | dondelelcaro | DJ-Marcuzz: yes. |
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| 10:56.04 | DJ-Marcuzz | ok, lets find an xwindows prog to configure it, becaus i cant from the config file and from webmin |
| 10:56.15 | dondelelcaro | just use an editor already. |
| 10:56.23 | dondelelcaro | there are copious manuals for it. |
| 10:56.27 | troop | dondelelcaro: cheers buddy |
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| 10:57.06 | olczyk | Hey. I am using sarge and KDE ( no gnome ). What is the simlest, and most reliable way ot add a new user? |
| 10:57.36 | doleyb | olczyk: root shell and run "adduser" |
| 10:57.37 | TheBigfoot | olczyk, adduser ? |
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| 10:58.04 | olczyk | With adduser, don't I have to muck about with sometyhings on the system itself? |
| 10:58.09 | dondelelcaro | no. |
| 10:58.26 | dondelelcaro | it's about as simple as it can possibly be. |
| 10:58.49 | doleyb | (It could be simpler. It could give them audio perms, for example) |
| 10:59.02 | dondelelcaro | you don't usually want them to have audio permissions. |
| 10:59.15 | DJ-Marcuzz | this comes to what i need: http://www.linuxforum.com/forums/index.php?s=ace95ad88fa117c2cfc8d380e41640aa&showtopic=163093 |
| 10:59.19 | dondelelcaro | if you think you do, what you want to do is use pam_group.so to give users on the local machine audio permisions. |
| 10:59.21 | doleyb | If he felt it was necessary to mention he uses KDE, he prob wants them to have audio. |
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| 10:59.35 | liable | oh dear, liable and liable_ get the potty mouth award on debstats.. |
| 11:00.03 | ts2 | I just installed Stable (Sarge) on a Pentium-M laptop. When I do `modprobe processor`, it says init_module: No such device. Any idea what I'm doing wrong? How do I start acpi ? |
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| 11:01.41 | Cyis | bitten by another major kernel variable change which apparently removed all PCMCIA/PCCARD support ... rebuilding and heading to bed... later... |
| 11:01.59 | enveezee | bleh, just got ash in my mouth |
| 11:02.03 | olczyk | Ok adduser keeps giving me a name_regex error. How can I find out what the name_regex is? |
| 11:02.16 | dondelelcaro | olczyk: you're not picking a sane user name. |
| 11:02.16 | enveezee | I guess its not as bad as soap, eh liable? |
| 11:02.27 | dondelelcaro | olczyk: no spaces, all lower case, no symbols. |
| 11:02.27 | blondie | olczyk: what username did you try? |
| 11:02.56 | liable | enveezee: heh, ash is good for you. |
| 11:03.08 | liable | enveezee: keeps the silverfish away. |
| 11:03.10 | olczyk | anon_poster. ( It's for posting to usenet anonymously ). |
| 11:03.18 | enveezee | ok |
| 11:03.30 | Guerin | olczyk: anonposter |
| 11:03.30 | dondelelcaro | olczyk: just use anonposter |
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| 11:03.55 | troop | whats a good fb console font to use? |
| 11:04.06 | troop | i tried VGA 8x8...want something better |
| 11:04.16 | Guerin | troop: uni_vga |
| 11:04.22 | Guerin | !uni_vga |
| 11:04.24 | ts2 | Anyone? Why does `modprobe processor` fail? |
| 11:04.26 | Guerin | bah |
| 11:04.37 | blondie | ts2: because that module doesn't exist? |
| 11:04.41 | dondelelcaro | ts2: because processor isn't a module. |
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| 11:05.42 | Guerin | !uni_vga is see http://www.inp.nsk.su/~bolkhov/files/fonts/univga/ for a good unicode font for both console and x |
| 11:05.42 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 11:06.22 | Eclipser | can I somehow have wget parse html file and download the files which are linked and have certain string in file name |
| 11:06.35 | Guerin | Eclipser: man wget |
| 11:07.03 | Eclipser | I'm reading it now... thought someone might know it faster... |
| 11:07.47 | enveezee | Eclipser: use / ffs |
| 11:07.58 | enveezee | :P |
| 11:07.59 | Eclipser | I don't really know what to look for :o |
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| 11:08.09 | ts2 | blondie: dondelelcaro: processor.o is in /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/acpi/ |
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| 11:08.20 | DJ-Marcuzz | why cant proftpd and vsftpd run next to each other? becaus web//cp needs proftpd, and i need vsftpd :S |
| 11:08.40 | marstewel | DJ-Marcuzz: you can bind them to different IP addresses |
| 11:08.43 | blondie | DJ-Marcuzz: are they both trying to use port 21? |
| 11:09.01 | enveezee | Eclipser: I'd use lynks -dump and grep and/or cut or something |
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| 11:09.10 | DJ-Marcuzz | no, but if i do apt-get install proftpd then it removes vsftpd |
| 11:09.17 | enveezee | Eclipser: simplest thing I know off top of my head |
| 11:09.18 | ts2 | blondie: dondelelcaro: In fact it tries to load itself as a requirement for modules like 'thermal' and 'fan' |
| 11:09.35 | greg0ry | help ! i have an issue, something is wtrong with my server ppl can not ssh to it or go on internet thru it anymore |
| 11:09.38 | czr | DJ-Marcuzz, because they listen to the same port |
| 11:09.40 | greg0ry | they can ping it |
| 11:09.52 | marstewel | greg0ry: dont cry for help |
| 11:10.05 | enveezee | Eclipser: lynx -dump google.com | grep "http://" |
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| 11:10.12 | enveezee | Eclipser: is pretty cool |
| 11:10.21 | olczyk | Thanks. One more question, I'm transitioning to zsh I noiticed when it created the new user. It did not create any of tghe zsh initialization/logoff scripts. How can I set up sarge to do that? |
| 11:10.33 | dondelelcaro | olczyk: stick them in /etc/skel |
| 11:10.58 | enveezee | I usually make my own |
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| 11:11.24 | enveezee | I usually just start by echoing a clear screen command into the logoff and go from there. |
| 11:11.25 | dondelelcaro | ts2: *shrug*; what is the exact error you're getting from modprobe, then? |
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| 11:11.35 | greg0ry | someone help me |
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| 11:11.47 | enveezee | greg0ry: ... ? |
| 11:11.50 | liable | !help greg0ry |
| 11:11.53 | dondelelcaro | greg0ry: you're going to have to be way less vague. is sshd running? what else have you changed on the machine? |
| 11:11.55 | czr | greg0ry, can you access the host? |
| 11:11.58 | marstewel | olczyk: /etc/skel |
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| 11:12.26 | czr | greg0ry, please read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 11:12.28 | DJ-Marcuzz | czr, proftpd uses port 22, and vsftpd 21 :S |
| 11:12.29 | ts2 | dondelelcaro: init_module: No such device (I have Pentium-M) |
| 11:12.39 | czr | DJ-Marcuzz, no. both use 21 and 22 |
| 11:12.48 | dondelelcaro | ts2: then that kernel doesn't support acpi on your machine. |
| 11:12.49 | marstewel | czr: it's 20 and 21 |
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| 11:12.58 | czr | right, whatever :-) |
| 11:13.00 | dondelelcaro | ts2: not terribly surprising; try 2.6 instead of 2.4. |
| 11:13.07 | DJ-Marcuzz | owke :S |
| 11:13.12 | ts2 | dondelelcaro: but I just installed Sarge from the 100MB netinstall CD |
| 11:13.14 | marstewel | 22 should be ssh |
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| 11:13.24 | czr | yeah, I knew that, honest :-) |
| 11:13.32 | dondelelcaro | ts2: sarge has 2.6 as well as 2.4 |
| 11:13.41 | DJ-Marcuzz | ill try to set upvsftpd now, with virtual links, i hope it works |
| 11:13.53 | ts2 | dondelelcaro: processor.o is in /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/acpi/ |
| 11:14.02 | dondelelcaro | ts2: yes, I know. |
| 11:14.14 | nosisab_ken_Kele | I have messed my opengl eith the install of the ATI driver, uninstall from the fglrx script seens to not rebuild the syslinks correctly |
| 11:14.33 | dondelelcaro | ts2: just because the module exists doesn't mean that it actually has support for your hardware. Try using 2.6 first. |
| 11:14.34 | nosisab_ken_Kele | have anyone some advice above it? |
| 11:14.40 | ts2 | dondelelcaro: why do you say 2.4 does not support acpi then? (earlier you said processor is not a module) wt..? |
| 11:14.46 | greg0ry | ssh is running |
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| 11:14.51 | dondelelcaro | ts2: no, I said that 2.4 may not support your hardware. |
| 11:15.00 | troop | i cant seem to load my nvidia.ko could this be because ive got nvidia fb compiled in my kernel? |
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| 11:15.02 | ts2 | dondelelcaro: I see |
| 11:15.17 | ts2 | dondelelcaro: reboot time |
| 11:15.17 | dondelelcaro | the key words there were "on your machine" |
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| 11:15.50 | DJ-Marcuzz | but i need that ftp badly, becaus next wekend im building an 4x250GB Raid 5 Server under linux, and i need that ftp |
| 11:16.03 | EmleyMoor | How does apache2 decide what to display as its default page>? |
| 11:16.13 | marstewel | DJ-Marcuzz: customized packages... |
| 11:16.20 | dondelelcaro | EmleyMoor: eh? which default page? |
| 11:16.22 | marstewel | EmleyMoor: DocumentRoot |
| 11:16.26 | enveezee | I wonder if I could get irc using a cell phone as a modem |
| 11:16.34 | marstewel | EmleyMoor: and from that DirectoryIndex |
| 11:16.37 | Guerin | marstewel: you've got a whole week to rtfm. Should be easy. |
| 11:16.41 | Guerin | bah |
| 11:16.47 | enveezee | the web is slow as hell on them |
| 11:16.50 | Guerin | DJ-Marcuzz: you've got a whole week to rtfm. Should be easy. |
| 11:16.52 | marstewel | Guerin: read? heh |
| 11:16.55 | DJ-Marcuzz | EmleyMoor, the same i had yesterday, check config file, and search for names like index and add some file names there |
| 11:16.55 | EmleyMoor | marstewel: Can't see the setting |
| 11:16.59 | troop | i cant seem to load my nvidia.ko could this be because ive got nvidia fb compiled in my kernel? |
| 11:16.59 | Squarepants | hi |
| 11:17.04 | wOOt | trollboy, i have that problem last month, and it whas my gcc version, kernel compiled with gcc 3.0 and envidia.ko with gcc4.0 |
| 11:17.07 | Guerin | marstewel: i know, i'm a comedian aren't i |
| 11:17.15 | Squarepants | sometimes, my Sarge won't boot up... it just shuts down |
| 11:17.23 | EmleyMoor | dondelelcaro: The seemingly-language-dependent "Apache installed" page |
| 11:17.24 | marstewel | EmleyMoor: look in the apache dir in /etc |
| 11:17.30 | marstewel | EmleyMoor: probably in sites-enabled or something alike |
| 11:17.33 | Squarepants | the power light is on however and i can't turn the pc on again.. i have to unplug it first |
| 11:17.45 | Squarepants | but sometimes, randomly, i can boot.. what's wrong? |
| 11:17.51 | dondelelcaro | EmleyMoor: yes, that's just installed by the apache package; which one gets selected depends on the browser setings. |
| 11:18.00 | charels | what is the best solution to backup an debian workstation, on a set of cd's, and to be able to restore from that set the exact workstation ? |
| 11:18.05 | marstewel | dondelelcaro: not entirely correct |
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| 11:18.11 | dondelelcaro | Squarepants: what temperature is your CPU at? |
| 11:18.16 | troop | anyone have trouble loading nvidia.ko module? |
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| 11:18.21 | dondelelcaro | marstewel: ? |
| 11:18.26 | Guerin | charels: always going to be working with identical hardware? |
| 11:18.26 | troop | eventhough you have a nvidia card |
| 11:18.32 | marstewel | dondelelcaro: first of all, default page is based upon DocumentRoot and DirectoryIndex setting; secondly browser setting (if language is set; else LanguagePriority) |
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| 11:18.41 | charels | Guerin: yes |
| 11:18.43 | antgel | troop: you got an answer. read the channel |
| 11:18.58 | dondelelcaro | marstewel: clearly; I'm just talking about language alternation. |
| 11:19.08 | marstewel | dondelelcaro: see #2 for that :D |
| 11:19.22 | dondelelcaro | (and please, lets stop discussing this madness of a "default page") |
| 11:19.27 | marstewel | okay :) |
| 11:19.27 | bizkit | hello, when i use ssh to tunnel a ftp connection, what ports have to be tunneled? just the control channel or the data channel, too? what about active, passive mode and problems within the transfer? has anyone made some experience with this? what about the amount of extra traffic due to the tunnel? |
| 11:19.34 | dondelelcaro | such a thing doesn't exist at all. |
| 11:19.50 | troop | antgel: am i blind? because i dont see any answer |
| 11:19.59 | Guerin | charels: make an image of the drive with dd; tar it to span across cds, and gzip it to compress empty space. To restore, simply untargz onto the same device. |
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| 11:20.32 | Guerin | charels: dd will preserve boot record, partition tables, all of that - but it's critical that you restore to an identical drive, otherwise the partitioning miught be wrong. |
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| 11:20.49 | nosisab_ken_Kele | dondelelcaro, what packages must I reinstal in order to restaure the correct libs for GL? after ATI driver messing things |
| 11:20.50 | troop | where is my answer?!?! |
| 11:20.52 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 11:21.10 | Guerin | troop: /lastlog nvidia |
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| 11:21.14 | Squarepants | dondelelcaro, i don't know, how can i see the 'failed' dmesg? |
| 11:21.17 | dondelelcaro | nosisab_ken_Kele: you tell me what libraries you've screwed up, and I can tell you. |
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| 11:21.27 | charels | Guerin: identical drive means sam hdd size, right ? |
| 11:21.40 | charels | Guerin: s/sam/same |
| 11:21.47 | dondelelcaro | Squarepants: check your bios when you turn on your machine. If the thing doesn't boot at all, or randomly boots, you've either got temperature issues or power supply issues. Has very little to do with the OS. |
| 11:21.59 | troop | Guerin: im using mirc |
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| 11:22.11 | Guerin | charels: that's the most important thing, but different brands/models hdds of the same nominal size can have different geometry |
| 11:22.18 | Guerin | troop: you poor bastard |
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| 11:22.41 | Squarepants | dondelelcaro, but the problem occurs only when linux is on the booting process (AFTER grub) |
| 11:22.43 | nosisab_ken_Kele | dondelelcaro, I have: extension "GLX" missing on display 0.0 - I think they are gl related libs |
| 11:23.04 | troop | is this what you guys are talking about ?? " trollboy, i have that problem last month, and it whas my gcc version, kernel compiled with gcc 3.0 and envidia.ko with gcc4.0" |
| 11:23.07 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 11:23.07 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. |
| 11:23.07 | dondelelcaro | Squarepants: eh? you can always turn on the machine? where does it fail? |
| 11:23.21 | troop | well my kernel is 2.6.14 and i used gcc-4 to compile |
| 11:23.25 | charels | Guerin: ok, most of it i will use this.. do you recomand any other method ? |
| 11:23.35 | nosisab_ken_Kele | I have reinstalled xorg, libgl of all sorts and is not of use |
| 11:23.35 | dondelelcaro | nosisab_ken_Kele: no, that means that you haven't loaded glx in your X config; dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg; and enable glx. |
| 11:23.38 | troop | and nvidia driver is still crapping up |
| 11:23.45 | amorphix | I have just recently purchased a new laptop (Toshiba Tecra 8100) and popped in my Debian Sarge HDD into it, everything seems to be going fine, except that the soundcard doesnt seem to be working properly, theres odd chirpy noises on booting, and a crackle noise when playing audio. I'm wondering if I have the right driver installed? I'm running ALSA and my hardware is Yamaha YMF-744B (DS-1S Audio Controller). Can anyone give a |
| 11:23.45 | amorphix | pointers? |
| 11:23.49 | tarzeau | takatumi: gonna try it now? |
| 11:23.51 | dondelelcaro | troop: what is the precise error message. |
| 11:24.10 | dondelelcaro | amorphix: which kernel are you using? |
| 11:24.11 | nosisab_ken_Kele | dondelelcaro, I whish was this the problem |
| 11:24.41 | nosisab_ken_Kele | but is not the glx and dri mode are enabled in xorg.conf |
| 11:24.42 | dondelelcaro | nosisab_ken_Kele: grep glx /etc/X11/XF86Config4- |
| 11:24.44 | amorphix | dondelecaro: 2.6.8-2-868 |
| 11:24.46 | dondelelcaro | s/4-/-4/ |
| 11:24.47 | amorphix | *686 |
| 11:24.50 | Squarepants | dondelelcaro, when LINUX is BOOTING |
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| 11:24.56 | troop | dondelelcaro: NVRM: No NVIDIA graphics adapter probed! |
| 11:25.09 | nosisab_ken_Kele | in XF86config4? |
| 11:25.13 | dondelelcaro | troop: hrm; sounds ike a bug in the nvidia driver. |
| 11:25.13 | troop | dondelelcaro: but lspci show my nvidia card |
| 11:25.23 | DJ-Marcuzz | owke, can someone give me an example conf file with virual users, premissions, and virual directory links? all i want is that all users (virual) come in /ftp and user A sees there /ftp/mp3 (on the disk /Music-Datavase) adn can acces that but cant frite and and user B should see /ftp/mp3 and /ftp/websites (on the disk /Websites) and should be able to write both and stuff |
| 11:25.27 | dondelelcaro | troop: I can't really do much to help you with that; talk to nvidia support. |
| 11:25.34 | dondelelcaro | (since none of us have the source to it) |
| 11:26.02 | dondelelcaro | Squarepants: lose the caps, please. When/where exactly does the boot process fail? |
| 11:26.08 | cahoot | amorphix: not as simple as the levels set too high? |
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| 11:26.20 | RainbowW | could use some help diagnosing a modperl problem. getting an error 500 running a cgi program. the log reports http://pastebin.com/427592. |
| 11:26.43 | amorphix | cahoot: it could be, actually sometimes I can boot up and the sound does half-work, like audio plays, allbeit not too reliably |
| 11:26.44 | dondelelcaro | amorphix: hrm; I've heard of some people having issues, you may try using a more recent kernel... turning off acpi may also help (if it's on) |
| 11:26.54 | amorphix | ok |
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| 11:27.29 | troop | dondelelcaro: going to try it without nvidia fb |
| 11:27.39 | DJ-Marcuzz | someone, please? |
| 11:27.40 | Squarepants | dondelelcaro, after I choose to oot up linux in grub.. then I see the usual booting lines (dmesg), and usually, it suddenly turns off.. I dont know the exact point since the letters pass too fast and the screen fades |
| 11:27.58 | dondelelcaro | RainbowW: uh... the error message is fairly straightforward; you don't have permision to execute home/rnbwpnt/abbydisc-archive/index.cgi |
| 11:28.17 | dondelelcaro | DJ-Marcuzz: ask in #proftpd |
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| 11:28.28 | DJ-Marcuzz | its about vsftpd |
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| 11:29.09 | Guerin | DJ-Marcuzz: then change channels accordingly |
| 11:29.09 | RainbowW | dondelelcaro: index.cgi is 4711, per the doc. what -should- it be? |
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| 11:29.26 | amorphix | my soundcard is soundblaster pro compatible, could I load the sb driver and run it like that perhaps? |
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| 11:29.29 | dondelelcaro | RainbowW: it better not be 4711. |
| 11:29.33 | dondelelcaro | that's insanity. |
| 11:29.54 | DJ-Marcuzz | are there channels about that :S |
| 11:29.56 | RainbowW | dondelelcaro: why? |
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| 11:30.21 | DJ-Marcuzz | #vsftpd is empty :S |
| 11:30.26 | dondelelcaro | RainbowW: a setuid cgi script is almost always totally insane. |
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| 11:31.07 | Guerin | DJ-Marcuzz: just read the goddamned documentation |
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| 11:31.32 | Guerin | DJ-Marcuzz: the reason nobody is handing you this on a silver platter is because none of us have exactly the same requirements as you |
| 11:31.40 | DJ-Marcuzz | i do, but they aint telling anything about virtual stuff! |
| 11:31.52 | marstewel | DJ-Marcuzz: read the docs. end of the story |
| 11:31.52 | dondelelcaro | DJ-Marcuzz: *shrug*; then if no one answers, no one knows. Please don't repeat. |
| 11:31.58 | Guerin | DJ-Marcuzz: if we were to give you the example config you wanted, WE would need to read the doc, as well. |
| 11:32.09 | RainbowW | dondelelcaro: can you be more specific about why this is so? the script accesses mailing list archives; the archives are owned by a non-root user (who is not the apache user) ... so i'd be excited to learn about the alternatives. |
| 11:32.21 | Guerin | DJ-Marcuzz: virtual users are well documented. |
| 11:32.26 | DJ-Marcuzz | witch ****** doc, the online manual sucks like hell! |
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| 11:32.36 | Squarepants | dondelelcaro, is there a way to boot linux 'step by step', like DOS? |
| 11:32.38 | tarzeau | can someone give me an UTF-8 HTML website? |
| 11:32.38 | marstewel | no it does not suck |
| 11:32.46 | Guerin | DJ-Marcuzz: man vsftpd.conf |
| 11:32.50 | Squarepants | dondelelcaro, so that i can see what it says right before turning off? |
| 11:32.52 | Nosisab_Ken_Kele | dondelelcaro, it's better now, I think, got some gl features running but no DRI yet (after reinstalling all sort of related things I could think of) |
| 11:32.53 | Guerin | DJ-Marcuzz: and the online manual is fine |
| 11:33.08 | Guerin | DJ-Marcuzz: i have no idea what you mean by 'virtual directory links' |
| 11:33.08 | Gumby | does anyone here know if make-kpkg kernel_image remakes all edited or added modules (if the .config is changed of a .c file is edited) after it has already been run once before? |
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| 11:33.27 | dondelelcaro | Gumby: yes, it does. |
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| 11:33.42 | dondelelcaro | Squarepants: not really; the classical methods are to use a serial console. |
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| 11:34.12 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: bugs.debian.org/300000 |
| 11:34.29 | dondelelcaro | (and any of the other interesting bugs on b.d.o |
| 11:34.53 | amorphix | 2.6.8-2 is the latest kernel eh |
| 11:35.00 | DJ-Marcuzz | i mean: real folder: /music, ftp home folder /ftp, user sees:/ftp/music |
| 11:35.01 | Guerin | amorphix: no |
| 11:35.04 | cortex | How do I set the console to using standard vga so I can unload the nvidiafb module? |
| 11:35.05 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: perfect thanks, it works |
| 11:35.15 | amorphix | Guerin: what is the latest kernel for Intel |
| 11:35.23 | Gumby | dondelelcaro: thats strange. I edited a .c and I dont think it picked up the changes. It built the .deb just fine, but a make modules afterwards failed because of that same edited file |
| 11:35.23 | dondelelcaro | 2.14.2 |
| 11:35.24 | Guerin | amorphix: intel has kernels? |
| 11:35.31 | amorphix | sigh |
| 11:35.45 | amorphix | what is the latest stock image kernel for Intel machines |
| 11:35.49 | dondelelcaro | Gumby: hrm; well, you may need to run a clean in there... it is supposed to, though. |
| 11:36.03 | tarzeau | amorphix: 6 |
| 11:36.07 | amorphix | thanks |
| 11:36.17 | Guerin | amorphix: 2.6.14 is in debian sid |
| 11:36.22 | tarzeau | amorphix: oh wait stock means released stable? |
| 11:36.35 | tarzeau | Guerin: why can't people say they mean linux |
| 11:36.40 | tarzeau | there's more than just linux kernels |
| 11:36.57 | Gumby | dondelelcaro: I am hoping to get away from recompiling everything :) Going to work on getting that .c file right then make modules then make-kpkg |
| 11:37.01 | tarzeau | i mean you don't go the the market and say i'd like 5 fruits |
| 11:37.10 | Guerin | tarzeau: i guess people who are too stupid to specify what they mean are too ignorant to realise that |
| 11:37.31 | dondelelcaro | Gumby: well, you should be able to just run make in that directory... but then again; I haven't really done all too much on hacking in between make-kpkg runs |
| 11:37.40 | doleyb | tarzeau: tell the linux guys to unregister kernel.org, then. |
| 11:37.46 | amorphix | this is a linux channel is it not |
| 11:37.51 | Guerin | amorphix: no. |
| 11:37.52 | resiak | No, it's a Debian channel. |
| 11:37.52 | dondelelcaro | Gumby: if it isn't working properly, especially with the 10.X version of kernel-package, Manoj may be interested... |
| 11:37.55 | amorphix | why would i be asking about any other kernels |
| 11:38.03 | resiak | Because there are non-Linux Debians? |
| 11:38.05 | Nosisab_Ken_Kele | I got this msg in the xorg.0 log (going to google it): RADEON(0): Failed to set up write-combining range |
| 11:38.09 | dondelelcaro | uh... because this is #debian, and Debian has many different kernels? |
| 11:38.12 | Guerin | amorphix: because this is not a linux channel, and there are at least three kernels supported by debian. |
| 11:38.13 | tarzeau | doleyb: it's not about that |
| 11:38.26 | dondelelcaro | like freebsd, linux, hurd, openbsd, netbsd... |
| 11:38.28 | amorphix | I'm not one of them, Ive been running Debian since 1999 and been coming here regular |
| 11:38.30 | tarzeau | doleyb: it's about there exists also kfreebsd and gnumach kernels in debian |
| 11:38.38 | tarzeau | doleyb: and kernel-image got renamed to linux-image |
| 11:39.01 | amorphix | you guys know this eh |
| 11:39.05 | Guerin | amorphix: and you STILL haven't learned anything about disambiguation. |
| 11:39.34 | tarzeau | yet there is still descriptions and package names that contain linux, albeit the software not only runs on linux |
| 11:39.55 | amorphix | <amorphix> I have just recently purchased a new laptop (Toshiba Tecra 8100) and popped in my Debian Sarge HDD |
| 11:40.10 | amorphix | you dont pay attention, and then you blame me? |
| 11:41.27 | DJ-Marcuzz | ok, i have one more question: i have an webserver and on the pc ist like: /websites/home /websites/chemiex /websites/bla now i want that somone enters: http://81.204.22.82/ they should end up in /websites/home, but when they enter http://81.204.22.82/chemiex they should end up in /websites/chemiex, and the same for bla, how can i do that? |
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| 11:42.00 | Metrics | Does anybody know how to change the gtk+ theme. I've used switch, but it doesn't seem to change anything. |
| 11:42.00 | dondelelcaro | DJ-Marcuzz: with Alias chemix /websites/chemiex |
| 11:42.17 | dondelelcaro | DJ-Marcuzz: read the apache documentation about <Location> <Directory> and Alias. |
| 11:42.21 | DJ-Marcuzz | is that that virual server shit? |
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| 11:42.25 | dondelelcaro | DJ-Marcuzz: no. |
| 11:42.37 | DJ-Marcuzz | ow |
| 11:42.48 | DJ-Marcuzz | lets see what i can find in webmin |
| 11:43.00 | dondelelcaro | ugh. webmin. |
| 11:43.03 | dondelelcaro | !webmin |
| 11:43.03 | dpkg | webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." |
| 11:43.26 | amorphix | phew |
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| 11:43.53 | DJ-Marcuzz | oef, what should i use then! |
| 11:43.57 | troop | yes!! got it to work |
| 11:44.03 | dondelelcaro | an editor. |
| 11:44.05 | Metrics | Ahhh....not the webmin debate again. |
| 11:44.11 | resiak | ' |
| 11:44.15 | dondelelcaro | debate? what debate? ;-) |
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| 11:44.37 | amorphix | hehe |
| 11:44.46 | amorphix | hi Dave |
| 11:45.35 | amorphix | I have a slight problem now, I need to upgrade Windows on my primary partition however grub resides there, how can I do the upgrade without trashing my grub/dual boot? |
| 11:45.51 | amorphix | (I have no floppy drive on this machine) |
| 11:45.56 | oberon | jap |
| 11:46.04 | DJ-Marcuzz | i need to controll the server from scool and stuff so i cant just use an editor and go sit behind the pc every thime i need to change something |
| 11:46.04 | resiak | You don't. You upgrade, hence trashing Grub, then boot from a recovery/live CD and restore Grub. |
| 11:46.09 | oberon | remove your hda1 |
| 11:46.15 | RainbowW | amorphix: you don't. have a nice day. |
| 11:46.16 | amorphix | ok |
| 11:46.27 | oberon | and install windows on the other drive |
| 11:46.29 | amorphix | thats a bit lame isnt it? |
| 11:46.35 | resiak | DJ-Marcuzz: You can use an editor remotely, through the power of the Global Internet. |
| 11:46.42 | oberon | when your done remap the drives |
| 11:46.50 | resiak | amorphix: It's Window's fault. Grub can't help that Windows just tramples on your MBR |
| 11:46.52 | amorphix | oberon: other drive? I only have 1 |
| 11:46.55 | amorphix | its a laptop |
| 11:46.56 | oberon | so windows will belive it is on hda ... |
| 11:47.04 | oberon | :) |
| 11:47.31 | oberon | do as resiak told you:) |
| 11:47.52 | bizkit | amorphix: thats the reason to always first install windows and then.. but you want an upgrade. i think there's no chance you'll have to let windows overwrite the mbr and then boot linux using a rescue disc and from within you real linux system just simply overwrite the mbr again to use grub.. where's the problem? |
| 11:47.55 | dondelelcaro | the simple solution is not to upgrade windows, and reclaim that space. |
| 11:48.01 | amorphix | I think I may as well just reinstall Debian then, since I'm performing a long dist upgrade anyway |
| 11:48.14 | resiak | erm |
| 11:48.18 | oberon | lol |
| 11:48.20 | resiak | don't do that. that's a complete waste of time. |
| 11:48.30 | oberon | save etc |
| 11:48.31 | amorphix | I have no data to lose, since I run NFS home system |
| 11:48.32 | _magix_ | wow. that's the first time I've installed Debian and I must say it was a pleasant experience |
| 11:48.39 | resiak | reinstalling Grub is trivial. Read grub-doc. |
| 11:48.46 | amorphix | ok i will investigate |
| 11:48.49 | _magix_ | here's hoping I like apt |
| 11:49.17 | dondelelcaro | you'll probably prefer aptitude or synpatic, but use whatever you like. |
| 11:49.31 | amorphix | dondelecaro: I would agree, however I need to run some Windows postal label printing software |
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| 11:50.07 | amorphix | I dislike having Windows on my box period |
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| 11:50.19 | resiak | Or you could run... label printing stuff in Debian. Wow, what a novel idea. |
| 11:50.49 | amorphix | not that simple, this software is provided by Royal Mail and links to their server, its a license to print postage |
| 11:51.13 | resiak | Bug them to make a Linux version. |
| 11:51.17 | amorphix | heh |
| 11:51.23 | resiak | And you think I'm joking... |
| 11:51.53 | amorphix | I think I would be waiting a very long time for that happen |
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| 11:52.13 | amorphix | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:52.40 | _magix_ | dondelelcaro: I liked using synaptic on Ubuntu and such, but this install here is going to be a test/learning server/console install of Debian |
| 11:53.43 | dondelelcaro | _magix_: right; use aptitude then. |
| 11:53.47 | amorphix | I have one other issue with this laptop, when I boot up my nic gets the wrong settings, and its using old settings which arent even in my interfaces file! |
| 11:54.06 | _magix_ | this makes me feel good, seeing the usual apt messages when installing/upgrading packages :) |
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| 11:54.14 | amorphix | everytime I boot I have to manually ifdown/ifup to get the nic up with the right network config |
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| 11:54.21 | _magix_ | dondelelcaro: oh. didn't know it was console |
| 11:55.03 | amorphix | my question: where could the settings be coming from, if not the interfaces file?? |
| 11:55.11 | _magix_ | dondelelcaro: is that like a console version of synaptic, or pretty close? |
| 11:55.26 | blondie | amorphix: dhcp? |
| 11:55.49 | blondie | amorphix: are you sure interfaces is correct? |
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| 11:56.06 | amorphix | blondie: well my nic entry in interfaces is set to auto, this is just a client hooked up to a rooter, and using another box as a gateway |
| 11:56.13 | dondelelcaro | _magix_: it's totally different, but it does some of the same things. |
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| 11:56.25 | amorphix | blondie: yeah it looks fine |
| 11:56.28 | dondelelcaro | _magix_: apt-get was never meant to be more than a demonstration of libapt. |
| 11:56.34 | blondie | what settings does it get wrong? |
| 11:57.10 | amorphix | blondie: it uses the wrong ip address and network ip, its loading old ones |
| 11:57.31 | blondie | are you using dhcp? |
| 11:57.46 | _magix_ | dondelelcaro: oh, thank god. heh, that's what turned me off to Debian in the first place, why up until now I'm actually trying it |
| 11:58.03 | amorphix | its ever since I switched to this new rooter/switch i had this problem, and its not just this machine either |
| 11:58.18 | amorphix | blondie: I have dhcp only on my gateway box |
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| 11:59.01 | blondie | amorphix: so the word "dhcp" does not appear in the interfaces file? |
| 11:59.07 | amorphix | no way |
| 11:59.17 | amorphix | I will post my config...brb |
| 12:00.03 | amorphix | is there a paste bot around here? |
| 12:00.28 | amorphix | got it |
| 12:00.28 | blondie | pastebin.com |
| 12:00.33 | amorphix | thanks |
| 12:01.09 | amorphix | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1094 |
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| 12:01.49 | blondie | ok |
| 12:01.58 | blondie | what settings does it get? |
| 12:02.02 | blondie | that are wrong |
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| 12:03.12 | amorphix | address 192.168.0.7 & network 192.168.0.0 & broadcast 192.168.0.255 |
| 12:03.27 | blondie | hm |
| 12:03.30 | amorphix | thats my old network settings for this machine |
| 12:03.47 | blondie | grep -R 192.168.0 /etc/* |
| 12:03.51 | amorphix | ok |
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| 12:05.42 | amorphix | phew |
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| 12:06.07 | amorphix | :/etc/laptop-net/schemes: ADDRESS="192.168.0.7" |
| 12:06.12 | amorphix | I think this is the problem |
| 12:06.17 | RainbowW | once upon a time, in my DOS bbs days, there was a program called waiter. waiter waited until a file appeared, and then it exited. it was useful in looping batch files that waited on a condition to occur, and then continued processing. is there some similar thing in debian? |
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| 12:06.23 | Squarepants | dondelelcaro, sorry to disturb you again.. so there is not solutions to propose to my turnoff problem? |
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| 12:07.08 | amorphix | sheesh 25 mins to go on dist-upgrade @ 117kBs |
| 12:07.10 | EdLin | RainbowW: loop and use [ (aka test) |
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| 12:07.32 | amorphix | at least im not on dial-up |
| 12:07.37 | Laibsch | Something strange is happening. Yesterday, I moved my Thinkpad X20 from 2.4 kernel to 2.6 kernel (stock Debian ones). The integrated trackpoint works fine in 2.4 but not in 2.6. Anybody have an idea what the problem might be? Missing modules? xorg.conf: http://pastebin.ca/28547, output of lsmod: http://pastebin.ca/28548 and Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.ca/28550 |
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| 12:08.08 | DJ-Marcuzz | i give up on the manual stuff, ill try to install web//cp |
| 12:08.17 | tarzeau | is there a webpage that changes the graphics secondly? |
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| 12:08.34 | amorphix | I had this problem earlier, but on a Toshiba Tecra... I ran toshset -pointer 3 and it switched on my trackpoint |
| 12:09.00 | amorphix | maybe IBM has a similiar utility |
| 12:09.08 | _magix_ | hm.. I'm not seeing PHP 5 in aptitude. I'm guessing I need to change apt sources to either unstable or testing, right? |
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| 12:09.20 | DJ-Marcuzz | only probem, there is no manual for debian on web//cp only on fedora |
| 12:09.31 | EdLin | _magix_: Sarge has third-party repositories. |
| 12:09.34 | EdLin | !php5 |
| 12:09.35 | dpkg | if you require php5 for sarge, first check your head, then ask me about <dotdeb> for unofficial packages. if you use dotdeb packages you are on your own. |
| 12:09.57 | blondie | _magix_: no you need to use php4 ;p |
| 12:10.08 | amorphix | S3 Savage graphics card has native support in 2.6 kernel |
| 12:10.22 | _magix_ | eh? is php5 + debian a bad combo? |
| 12:10.24 | EdLin | hmm, sounds fairly unstable, but running a server under testing or unstable is unstable too. ;-) |
| 12:10.38 | blondie | _magix_: well there's no official sources for it so meh :p |
| 12:10.47 | antgel | !php5 |
| 12:10.47 | dpkg | if you require php5 for sarge, first check your head, then ask me about <dotdeb> for unofficial packages. if you use dotdeb packages you are on your own. |
| 12:10.53 | amorphix | you cant have PHP5 on Debian box eh |
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| 12:10.59 | amorphix | unless you do it from source |
| 12:11.01 | EdLin | !dotdeb |
| 12:11.01 | dpkg | dotdeb is probably for the latest php and mysql releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/, or but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN |
| 12:11.01 | _magix_ | I'm developing scripts for PHP5, I more or less need the OOP stuff.. I love it |
| 12:11.18 | EdLin | amorphix: not true, note the dotdeb factoid. |
| 12:11.19 | amorphix | phew |
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| 12:11.32 | amorphix | backported!? |
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| 12:11.46 | _magix_ | cool |
| 12:11.54 | amorphix | fuk dat |
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| 12:12.34 | amorphix | 20 mins to go |
| 12:12.45 | EdLin | amorphix: backported doesn't always mean bad, I used backports on Woody due to its old packages for a while. (Sarge though is mostly new enough to not need such things.) |
| 12:12.53 | czr | dondelelcaro, you around? |
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| 12:13.10 | RaRe | hello, does debian really have 14 sets of cd? |
| 12:13.23 | pureone | !d-i |
| 12:13.24 | dpkg | d-i is probably at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 12:13.25 | amorphix | I wish I had a faster connection |
| 12:13.25 | blondie | RaRe: if you want it to |
| 12:13.29 | EdLin | RaRe: you only need the first one |
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| 12:13.36 | blondie | RaRe: just get the netinst CD |
| 12:13.44 | blondie | then you download only what you want to install |
| 12:13.57 | czr | is there something like kickstart for debian that works with d-i? |
| 12:14.09 | RaRe | oh icic, so the extra cd's just have additional packages in them? |
| 12:14.09 | antgel | czr: what is kickstart? |
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| 12:14.10 | czr | I mean something that works, not something that is 'planned' |
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| 12:14.18 | czr | antgel, automated installation of redhat |
| 12:14.25 | blondie | RaRe: yes |
| 12:14.27 | amorphix | can anyone recommend a good pcmcia wifi make thats supported in Debian? |
| 12:14.37 | antgel | czr: automated for many machines, you mean? |
| 12:14.38 | amorphix | i gotta replace my stupid Windows bundled card |
| 12:14.40 | blondie | my netgear one works |
| 12:14.42 | czr | antgel, yes |
| 12:14.45 | czr | antgel, not imaging |
| 12:14.47 | amorphix | netgear, cool |
| 12:14.48 | RaRe | i've tried net inst, and didn't quite like it.. |
| 12:14.54 | RaRe | thanx for the fast replies :d |
| 12:14.56 | antgel | !tell czr about fai |
| 12:14.57 | blondie | RaRe: why not? :P |
| 12:15.10 | czr | fai is based on imaging |
| 12:15.11 | Oryn | amorphix: what card have you got? |
| 12:15.14 | czr | at least I think it is |
| 12:15.19 | RaRe | lol.. I wanted kde but it kept installing gnome, and im not sure which ones i should get :x |
| 12:15.29 | RaRe | so i'd rather just install everything ? :X |
| 12:15.40 | blondie | do a basic netinsta |
| 12:15.41 | blondie | -a |
| 12:15.41 | Guerin | RaRe: if you skipped the 'desktop' task, you could install kde later |
| 12:15.44 | blondie | then apt-get install kde |
| 12:15.47 | amorphix | Oryn: its an Origo? 11mbps that uses AMD 1771? chipset |
| 12:15.52 | Guerin | RaRe: the desktop task installs both kde and gnome |
| 12:16.00 | RaRe | :o |
| 12:16.03 | _magix_ | hoho I'm in PHP heaven right now with debian |
| 12:16.26 | _magix_ | I don't think I've ever seen so many modules for PHP |
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| 12:16.55 | amorphix | Oryn: I think some people have managed to get it working with ndiswrapper and a lot of faffing around compiling kernel etc, dont fancy it |
| 12:17.02 | Oryn | amorphix: the orinoco 11meg cards work in debian (out of the box) I'm running an intel 2200 minipci card |
| 12:17.10 | amorphix | cool |
| 12:17.23 | antgel | czr: http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ states "It's similar but more flexible than other tools like kickstart for Red Hat" |
| 12:17.25 | czr | hmm. can I use LVM2 with d-i |
| 12:17.33 | czr | antgel, I know what it states |
| 12:17.54 | czr | the last time I looked it was image based, although that's been some years ago, it looks more promising now. thanks |
| 12:18.15 | amorphix | everything is made in China these days |
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| 12:18.36 | phanter | is there a logfile that I can check for boot errors? |
| 12:18.37 | Oryn | amorphix: I dont know if they do a pcmcia/cardbus version (hold on I'll check) |
| 12:18.37 | Guerin | amorphix: nope. Pilsner Urquell is still make in the czech republic |
| 12:18.43 | amorphix | hehe |
| 12:18.47 | Guerin | phanter: dmesg |
| 12:18.55 | blaamann | Guerin: lol |
| 12:19.01 | Guerin | blaamann: it is! |
| 12:19.14 | EdLin | Guerin: that's a good beer too. :) |
| 12:19.21 | blaamann | Guerin: And the original budwiser ? |
| 12:19.29 | amorphix | Guerin: for how long tho? soon you'll have cheaper Chinese imports badged up in Czech |
| 12:19.31 | Guerin | blaamann: yes! |
| 12:19.43 | Guerin | amorphix: americans already tried that. |
| 12:19.48 | Guerin | EdLin: the best. |
| 12:20.24 | amorphix | its refreshing to see HP is making laptops in Europe still |
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| 12:20.31 | Guerin | when I worked for a wine merchant in NZ, we got filings from anheuser-busch for selling budejovicky budvar with the 'budweiser' label |
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| 12:20.40 | _inetd | w00t |
| 12:20.48 | amorphix | phew |
| 12:21.08 | _inetd | what do you guys use for dpi for X? |
| 12:21.18 | Guerin | the boss stapled them up next to the stack and encouraged people to write and phone A-B and boycott their products |
| 12:21.25 | czr | hmm. does anyone know whether apt-proxy v2 is suitable for production use (over v1)? |
| 12:21.25 | Oryn | amorphix: does your laptop have a minipci slot? |
| 12:21.26 | Guerin | that was the last we heard of it |
| 12:21.28 | _inetd | im current on 1280x1024 and using 72 as dpi |
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| 12:21.51 | _inetd | s/current/currently/ |
| 12:21.55 | valdyn_ | czr: v1 was ever usuable? |
| 12:22.01 | amorphix | Oryn: thats a good question, it has an internal modem so I guess it does |
| 12:22.09 | czr | valdyn_, I don't know, just reading apt-cache show apt-proxy :-) |
| 12:22.15 | czr | 'This is version 2 of apt-proxy which will, when ready, replace apt-proxy v1.' |
| 12:22.23 | Oryn | amorphix: what model is it I'll check |
| 12:22.34 | valdyn_ | !info apt-proxy etch |
| 12:22.51 | amorphix | Oryn: thanks, it is a Toshiba Tecra 8100 |
| 12:22.52 | _inetd | ? |
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| 12:23.48 | dpkg | apt-proxy: (Debian archive proxy and partial mirror builder development), section admin, is extra. Version: 1.9.32 (etch), Packaged size: 62 kB, Installed size: 244 kB |
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| 12:24.35 | black_Nightmare | hey there |
| 12:25.00 | czr | valdyn_, just do read the description of the package |
| 12:25.11 | czr | the quoted text was from the package description verbatim |
| 12:25.18 | czr | hence my question |
| 12:25.24 | PumpkinPie | how do I make my system bootup with a different kernel automatically |
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| 12:25.45 | PumpkinPie | I have 2.6 but its not booting with 2.4 |
| 12:25.51 | Guerin | phanter: edit your bootloader config |
| 12:25.54 | amorphix | you would need to change the order in grub? |
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| 12:26.16 | valdyn_ | czr: ^^ thats v2, its ok for me |
| 12:26.19 | PumpkinPie | wheres that grub conf ? |
| 12:26.28 | Guerin | phanter: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 12:26.32 | czr | valdyn_, you use it in work? |
| 12:26.33 | Guerin | PumpkinPie: |
| 12:26.36 | phanter | Guerin, why should I edit the bootloader config? |
| 12:26.39 | czr | at work even |
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| 12:26.45 | Guerin | phanter: sorry |
| 12:26.53 | phanter | Guerin, no probl |
| 12:26.55 | czr | PumpkinPie, /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 12:27.36 | valdyn_ | czr: nope |
| 12:27.45 | czr | ok |
| 12:27.51 | amorphix | well if im lucky this dist upgrade and newer kernel will sort out my chirpy soundcard |
| 12:27.56 | amorphix | 4 mins to go |
| 12:28.07 | czr | I'm thinking of trying out FAI and using apt-proxy seems like would be the best idea since I don't want to leech a local debian mirror atm |
| 12:28.08 | valdyn_ | czr: very easy to setup, i'd just try it. |
| 12:28.34 | czr | valdyn_, I might do so, thanks |
| 12:29.06 | valdyn_ | czr: then there's approx, which is functional, but i didnt more than quickly try it |
| 12:29.10 | amorphix | my CPU is reported in KinfoCenter as running @ 260Mhz! but its a P3-500Mhz. |
| 12:29.23 | amorphix | should I be worried? |
| 12:29.27 | Oryn | amorphix: I'd recommend this for wifi http://www.madwifi.org/wiki/Compatibility |
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| 12:29.31 | Guerin | amorphix: what does /proc/cpuinfo say? |
| 12:29.37 | amorphix | Oryn: thanks |
| 12:29.55 | czr | valdyn_, ok |
| 12:30.04 | czr | approx is written in ocaml :--) |
| 12:30.19 | czr | I think this is the first software that I see that uses ocaml for something useful :--) |
| 12:30.36 | Oryn | amorphix: the Atheros chipset looks very cool |
| 12:30.44 | phanter | oke, I have the same errors as writen in: http://justlinux.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-129813.html What must I do to fix this and does my acpi work? |
| 12:31.14 | amorphix | Guerin: speed is reported normal there, 498Mhz.. misinfo in KInfo? |
| 12:31.32 | Guerin | amorphix: i blame kde being stupid |
| 12:31.39 | amorphix | ah |
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| 12:32.41 | phanter | I think I miss a couple of lines which I did see during the boot proces, but I cannot find in the dmesg output |
| 12:33.01 | amorphix | i need to go wireless or get a decent pcmcia card at least, Im sick of this dongle moving and my connection going down, being on a nfs home fs is not fun when that happens |
| 12:33.36 | amorphix | dongles suck |
| 12:33.56 | Oryn | amorphix: you running a usb dongle? |
| 12:34.03 | amorphix | pcmcia |
| 12:34.25 | phanter | amorphix, true, but wireless can be jsut as bad in linux... getting it to run can be horrible (I am working on that for 3 days now and still did not succeed) |
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| 12:34.50 | amorphix | i will need to get a decent nic with an integrated eth socket because i wanna do mythtv and need more than 11mbps |
| 12:34.52 | blondie | if you're using NFS you really want to be using a wired network :| |
| 12:34.55 | benluo | hi all |
| 12:34.56 | black_Nightmare | I know this is probably a general hardware question but then..any of you know of any rugged usb disk drives? seeing how most laptops don't even have internal one anymore |
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| 12:35.05 | amorphix | phanter: :-( |
| 12:35.10 | Oryn | amorphix: do you have a working AP? |
| 12:35.14 | _magix_ | aptitude feels alot like FreeBSD's ports, if you don't mind me saying so. quite nice :) |
| 12:35.32 | benluo | who can tell me where i can get emacs-snapshot for sarge? |
| 12:35.36 | amorphix | blondie: for sure, I want to use wired for the most part but have the convenience of occasional WiFi to move around a bit |
| 12:35.37 | Oryn | phanter: what problems are you having with wireless? |
| 12:35.59 | dorto | how to check which version of php and mysql are installed with debian sarge installation? |
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| 12:36.14 | dorto | i did not install them manually using apt-get. |
| 12:36.25 | marstewel | dorto: dpkg --list | grep (php4|mysql) |
| 12:36.27 | amorphix | Oryn: a wireless router? |
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| 12:36.34 | dorto | k |
| 12:36.47 | phanter | Oryn, I have to compile IPW2200 stuff for my intel wireless card (in IBM laptop). I did all the compiling and everything and it tells me that it is loaded as a module, but I cannot get the thing to start working :( |
| 12:36.47 | Guerin | marstewel: egrep |
| 12:37.07 | marstewel | Guerin: oops |
| 12:37.09 | PumpkinPie | is there a way I can make debian a real woman |
| 12:37.10 | valdyn_ | phanter: ..and you read the documentation and installed the firmware? |
| 12:37.11 | Oryn | phanter: mine works sweet as a nut |
| 12:37.13 | marstewel | dorto: dpkg --list | egrep (php4|mysql) |
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| 12:37.21 | marstewel | thnx Guerin |
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| 12:37.26 | Guerin | PumpkinPie: depends what you consider real. |
| 12:37.29 | amorphix | always research your hardware compatibility/support before buying eh |
| 12:37.31 | Oryn | phanter: want me to try to get yours working? |
| 12:37.37 | phanter | valdyn_, I think so yes |
| 12:37.41 | amorphix | Windows only hardware sucks |
| 12:37.53 | phanter | Oryn, you would become my temp-heroe if you would help me with this |
| 12:37.53 | marstewel | amorphix: thats why it is cheaper |
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| 12:38.10 | amorphix | I have received a big box of IBM Thinkpad pcmcia cards i cant use |
| 12:38.14 | phanter | Oryn, that means, yes please :) |
| 12:38.23 | marstewel | amorphix: modem has no signal processor... |
| 12:38.27 | marstewel | "win modem" |
| 12:38.33 | amorphix | yeah |
| 12:38.33 | Guerin | lose modem |
| 12:38.45 | dorto | marstewel: it still gives the error: "syntax error near unexpected token php4" i ran the command separately for php and mysql and got the results |
| 12:38.46 | black_Nightmare | actually I would have thought any pcmcia were hardware or .. ? |
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| 12:39.00 | marstewel | dorto: its egrep sorry :) |
| 12:39.04 | amorphix | well the Toshiba Tecra has a winmodem but it is one of the few supported in Linux |
| 12:39.09 | amorphix | *8100 |
| 12:39.13 | dorto | same with egrep too |
| 12:39.20 | marstewel | hmm |
| 12:39.21 | marstewel | sec |
| 12:39.57 | sward | dorto: marstewel: use more quotes |
| 12:40.00 | marstewel | put the stuff between ( and ) in quotes |
| 12:40.01 | amorphix | IBM has been none-standard hardware stuff? |
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| 12:40.17 | sward | $shell is interpreting them |
| 12:40.22 | dorto | sward: yeah, double quotes did the trick |
| 12:40.40 | amorphix | whats with these IBM ThinkJet pcmcia cards?? none-standard connections on them, not detected in Linux or Windows |
| 12:40.42 | dorto | yes marstewel :) |
| 12:40.43 | marstewel | sward: I have to type the ascii code for " currently since my keyboard is f*cked up, so I tried avoiding it :D |
| 12:40.54 | dorto | hahaha |
| 12:40.58 | amorphix | does anyone know about IBM "Thinkjet" is this ancient or what? |
| 12:41.06 | sward | marstewel: ' would do :) |
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| 12:41.24 | marstewel | hmm thats true |
| 12:41.29 | marstewel | darn its too early :P |
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| 12:44.06 | andreiutz | hello ! 10 days ago i installed debian for the first time . it was all ok . 4 days ago i bought a knew keyboard, same ps2 , pluged it in the keyboard was fine . yesterday , i restarted my box and when the x login manager screeb comes the keyboard is dead . i tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but still the same . can someone help me pls ? i don't know what to do |
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| 12:44.51 | xaureus | how can i set my X server to start in gdm? (now it's in kdm) |
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| 12:45.20 | liable | xaureus: update-alternatives --config x-display-manager |
| 12:45.32 | amorphix | andreiutz: did you verify kb is not faulty and test it? |
| 12:45.55 | liable | hmm, seems to be a few people having keyboard problems lately.. |
| 12:45.58 | amorphix | andreiutz: does it work on the console? |
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| 12:46.02 | xaureus | bestmedia:~# update-alternatives --config x-display-manager |
| 12:46.02 | xaureus | No alternatives for x-display-manager. |
| 12:46.20 | beardy | xaureus: dpkg-reconfigure ?dm |
| 12:46.25 | liable | xaureus: is gdm installed? |
| 12:46.29 | xaureus | yes |
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| 12:47.07 | valdyn_ | xaureus: vi /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 12:47.09 | amorphix | IBM "ThinkJet" is their printer range brand name eh? |
| 12:47.15 | takatumi | tarzeau: address for iso? |
| 12:47.26 | amorphix | so how come I have pcmcia card with Thinkjet on |
| 12:47.51 | xaureus | valdyn_ thanks |
| 12:47.52 | beardy | thin printer? |
| 12:48.09 | amorphix | ThinkJet, IBM inkjets |
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| 12:48.30 | takatumi | tarzeau: #channel? |
| 12:49.07 | amorphix | is IBM a failing corporation, has it lost its way? |
| 12:49.12 | valdyn_ | amorphix: thinkjet is by HP |
| 12:49.13 | dorto | i have to reboot the system 3-4 times before my wireless card works. does anybody else has this problem? its prism54 card |
| 12:49.25 | takatumi | dorto: which driver? |
| 12:49.27 | dorto | card works only in the 3rd or 4th reboot |
| 12:49.31 | tarzeau | takatumi: channel is #gnu-kbsd |
| 12:49.41 | amorphix | valdyn_: do you know why IBM made "ThinkJet" pcmcia cards? what are these for? |
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| 12:49.53 | dorto | takatumi: after installing kernel 2.6, i installed prism54 |
| 12:49.57 | dorto | that's all i did |
| 12:49.59 | tarzeau | takatumi: and the iso is here http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/install-cd/20051026/debian-20051026-kfreebsd-i386-install.iso |
| 12:50.12 | tarzeau | takatumi: the doc how to is here: http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ |
| 12:50.17 | amorphix | my guess is they must be some kind printer sharing cards for network |
| 12:50.25 | czr | amorphix, thinkjet is a printer at least |
| 12:50.34 | amorphix | but that seems pretty lame, why not just have software |
| 12:50.48 | adapter | when i try to login with a 0:0 user account, it says that i can't login with that user because it's privileges...how can i login with that user anyway? |
| 12:51.13 | takatumi | tarzeau: getting it. |
| 12:51.20 | czr | adapter, use sudo? |
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| 12:51.37 | tarzeau | takatumi: great, don't forget to install popularity-contest once you have it installed. it's so fast to install! |
| 12:51.44 | andreiutz | amorphix, yes the keyboard is fine |
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| 12:51.49 | _inetd | deadcat: yo |
| 12:51.55 | andreiutz | it works |
| 12:51.57 | andreiutz | until |
| 12:52.00 | takatumi | tarzeau: would a debootstrap work? |
| 12:52.09 | tarzeau | takatumi: probably, but it's easier with the cd |
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| 12:52.19 | andreiutz | amorphix, yes the keyboard is fine it works on the boot , until the login manager |
| 12:52.23 | cmdk | hello, If i want to install linux on MAC OS X, what version should I take? |
| 12:52.30 | marstewel | tarzeau: I have popularity-contest in my installer script, which is the base for every new system I install :D |
| 12:52.37 | tarzeau | cmdk: what mac? the powerpc one |
| 12:52.40 | dorto | when i try to install mysql-server etc, i get mysql-doc in suggested packages. when i include mysql-doc, i get this error: "E: Package mysql-doc has no installation candidate" |
| 12:52.42 | andreiutz | amorphix, any idea ? |
| 12:52.50 | tarzeau | cmdk: in an emulator or aside os x? |
| 12:52.53 | tarzeau | cmdk: #debianppc |
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| 12:52.57 | takatumi | dorto: which prism chipset? v3? |
| 12:53.05 | m4lu7 | interesting. fdisk has no problems setting up partitions, but sfdisk says (after fdisk runs, does partitioning, and writes to disk), "No partition tables found". wtf. |
| 12:53.06 | cmdk | tarzeau, yes it's a powerpc |
| 12:53.06 | xoz | cmdk: goto www.debian.org... it has a link for powerpc install |
| 12:53.08 | tarzeau | cmdk: don't like os x? like os x? try gnustep |
| 12:53.12 | marstewel | dorto: you dont need mysql-doc... |
| 12:53.16 | adapter | czr: i'm not in mode text, i'm from gdm and i have a login shell; i can login only with non root user accounts...how can i login with root user accounts |
| 12:53.22 | amorphix | andreiutz: I would just double check you have configured the new kb correctly in X, re-run config |
| 12:53.22 | marstewel | dorto: apt-cache search mysql-doc |
| 12:53.22 | dorto | marstewel: k |
| 12:53.39 | czr | adapter, by using account called 'root'? |
| 12:53.40 | andreiutz | amorphix, i did that 3 times |
| 12:53.50 | valdyn_ | adapter: you just dont log into X as root |
| 12:53.52 | amorphix | andreiutz: try a different kb type perhaps if it doesnt work on the one you have chosen |
| 12:53.54 | czr | adapter, and then setup /etc/sudoers so that you can switch to root from your normal account |
| 12:53.57 | takatumi | tarzeau: are you running that port on your machine? |
| 12:53.57 | adapter | adapter:x:0:0::/home/adapter:/bin/sh |
| 12:53.58 | valdyn_ | adapter: why the hell would you want that ? |
| 12:54.04 | dorto | takatumi: i don't know; i remember copying 1.0.4 sth as the version of prism54 firmware file in somewhere hotplug/firmware |
| 12:54.10 | tarzeau | takatumi: on gnu.ethz.ch and on a local box on my network at home, yes |
| 12:54.18 | andreiutz | amorphix, what do you mean diffrent kb type ? |
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| 12:54.21 | xoz | adapter: it is disabled maybe by gdm. try login in the console. if it allows you, then gdm is to be blamed. but it's not a good idea to login as root in X. |
| 12:54.27 | tarzeau | takatumi: i'll use it for the next gnustep live cd too |
| 12:54.31 | andreiutz | amorphix, the keyboard is ps2 |
| 12:54.35 | amorphix | andreiutz: 104, 105 etc |
| 12:54.38 | czr | adapter, you also have root:x:0:0 in /etc/passwd? |
| 12:54.50 | adapter | yes czr |
| 12:54.51 | Ireul | hi |
| 12:54.55 | andreiutz | amorphix, it is set on 104 |
| 12:54.59 | amorphix | ok |
| 12:55.04 | czr | adapter, then what you've done to your /etc/passwd is seriously bad idea. don't do it |
| 12:55.10 | czr | adapter, man sudo |
| 12:55.16 | amorphix | andreiutz: verify your X config manually |
| 12:55.24 | Ireul | please is there any geda, gnucap and gwave user on Debian Sarge here? tx... |
| 12:55.26 | amorphix | go to /etc/X11/XF86-Config |
| 12:55.33 | adapter | heh, i trust me :) |
| 12:55.35 | cmdk | is it possible to install linux on an external hard disk of mac os x? |
| 12:55.36 | tarzeau | Ireul: what's the question about it? |
| 12:55.45 | Lorvija | hey.. does "krad2" say anything to anyone? could it be some kind of hacker prog, rootkit or something? |
| 12:55.52 | tarzeau | cmdk: try asking that in #debianppc |
| 12:56.24 | Ireul | tarzeau: I cannot use gwave with gnucap, cannot make a suitable output file from gnucap to print out whit gwave,... |
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| 12:56.46 | takatumi | dorto: you could try hostap if that chip is supported. |
| 12:56.51 | amorphix | if all else fails, reboot! |
| 12:57.00 | andreiutz | amorphix, http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/DZMX0773.html |
| 12:57.10 | czr | Lorvija, might be |
| 12:57.22 | czr | Lorvija, at least I found something weird on google |
| 12:57.27 | Lorvija | czr hmm yes. just found smthing wit hgoogle.. (: |
| 12:57.31 | Lorvija | with google* |
| 12:57.37 | xoz | adapter: /etc/X11/gdm.conf... set AllowRoot=true |
| 12:57.40 | Lorvija | thanks anyways.. guess i'm hacked then |
| 12:57.52 | czr | that's not cool |
| 12:57.56 | czr | Lorvija, netstat? |
| 12:58.15 | czr | you see any open conns with netstat -t that should be there? |
| 12:58.21 | Lorvija | well i know this guy... way too pro... (: |
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| 12:58.36 | adapter | xoz thanks |
| 12:58.36 | czr | not too pro if he gets caught |
| 12:58.39 | andreiutz | amorphix, something wrong in this section ? http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/DZMX0773.html |
| 12:58.42 | amorphix | andreiutz: looks ok, and you have an entry in ServerLayout for the kb? |
| 12:58.55 | xoz | adapter: does it work? |
| 12:58.55 | andreiutz | amorphix, i don't know |
| 12:58.56 | Lorvija | czr he thinks im noob.. but really.. this guy is good.. (: |
| 12:59.05 | Ireul | tarzeau: can you help me? |
| 12:59.07 | xoz | adapter: that flase default is there for a *reason* |
| 12:59.10 | andreiutz | amorphix, how do i check ? |
| 12:59.11 | tarzeau | Ireul: no sorry |
| 12:59.19 | Lorvija | czr thanks for the help anyways |
| 12:59.22 | czr | Lorvija, np |
| 12:59.24 | Ireul | tarzeau: oh tx |
| 12:59.25 | czr | Lorvija, have fun |
| 12:59.25 | adapter | xoz: i repeat, i trust myself |
| 12:59.28 | dorto | takatumi: anyway to find out version of chipset from debian? cardctl ident gives: "Intersil", "ISL3890" |
| 12:59.40 | Ireul | tx |
| 12:59.42 | Lorvija | czr ye.. propably gonna get ddossed for some weeks ;D ye i'll have fun :P |
| 12:59.44 | czr | dorto, lspci? |
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| 12:59.51 | xoz | adapter: that's not the issue. can you trust the progs running as root? |
| 12:59.52 | czr | Lorvija, just call KRP and tell them |
| 12:59.53 | Azertyuuu | hey all , i need a program to wacth my .MOV-files frame per frame (for windows) , can anyone please help me |
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| 12:59.59 | czr | Lorvija, arrange for a suprise ;-) |
| 13:00.04 | Ireul | tarzeau: tx |
| 13:00.06 | amorphix | andreiutz: check ServerLayout section and make sure you have a line: |
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| 13:00.18 | amorphix | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:00.21 | Lorvija | czr aye :P thought i'd sniff for my servers traffic for a while :P if he gets mad i'll call krp =) |
| 13:00.25 | adapter | yes, i've apt-get upgrade xoz |
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| 13:00.34 | czr | Lorvija, it really depends on what you want to do |
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| 13:00.37 | xoz | wow, this sunday is densely populated. |
| 13:00.52 | czr | Lorvija, personally I always disconnect machines from net first, then take full images of the hds |
| 13:00.56 | czr | Lorvija, then reinst the system |
| 13:00.59 | Kovecses | the latest kernel in the stable repo has support for udev right? |
| 13:01.04 | Lorvija | czr well i'm sure that if they start to dig what this guy has done he'll get some nice time behind the bars (: |
| 13:01.07 | czr | Lorvija, and explore the images on a non-connected system later |
| 13:01.17 | takatumi | dorto: that should be supported, try module-assistant, compile hostap. |
| 13:01.19 | czr | Lorvija, depends on whether he gets caught or not |
| 13:01.23 | adapter | be right back, let me test it |
| 13:01.23 | liable | Kovecses: yes if you want to torment yourself with udev |
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| 13:01.34 | amorphix | has someone had their box taken over? |
| 13:01.39 | Kovecses | liable, not an easy task? |
| 13:01.43 | amorphix | sorry i missed the flow |
| 13:01.50 | Lorvija | czr.. well this guy just hacks my comp again.. (: and if he gets caught.. well i've seen what he has.. he has pretty nice collection of different comps/routers etc hacked :E |
| 13:01.52 | czr | amorphix, scrollback |
| 13:01.53 | xoz | Kovecses: udev u should dev |
| 13:01.55 | amorphix | ok |
| 13:02.14 | czr | Lorvija, how have you seen what he owns? |
| 13:02.17 | Kovecses | i just want usb sticks to autmount |
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| 13:02.21 | liable | Kovecses: installing udev is easy, yes. may i suggest reading the bts for some light reading. |
| 13:02.32 | Lorvija | czr well he kinda was my friend :E |
| 13:02.36 | dorto | takatumi: what are those two? commands? |
| 13:02.40 | amorphix | hehe |
| 13:02.43 | Lorvija | czr he wanted to be "cool" so he showed :E |
| 13:02.46 | amorphix | nice friend |
| 13:02.46 | czr | Lorvija, wtf you do with friends like that? :-) |
| 13:02.54 | czr | Lorvija, disco & call krp |
| 13:03.04 | czr | cracking systems is far from cool |
| 13:03.05 | Lorvija | czr well he acted like he was nice etc.. social engineering tricks :E |
| 13:03.11 | Lorvija | and i fell for it :E |
| 13:03.15 | Kovecses | !marillat |
| 13:03.16 | dpkg | somebody said marillat was an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt >= 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> |
| 13:03.32 | czr | Lorvija, and he hacked again? |
| 13:03.32 | Lorvija | czr well i've just tried not to make him mad.. as i like to be online anyways |
| 13:03.34 | dorto | takatumi: mine is netgear wg511 card |
| 13:03.47 | pureone | :| |
| 13:03.48 | czr | Lorvija, KRP will help you with that |
| 13:03.50 | Lorvija | czr never been 100% sure he hacked me.. now i'm.. gonna see what happens |
| 13:03.58 | liable | Lorvija: so re-install and you should be fine with an update sarge system.. |
| 13:04.04 | czr | I have ppl who they use to solve these cases |
| 13:04.06 | Lorvija | czr yep gotta see |
| 13:04.07 | czr | they're quite competent |
| 13:04.17 | czr | s/have/know/ |
| 13:04.21 | Lorvija | liable hmm is sarge REALLY secure? i mean with normal firewall? |
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| 13:04.33 | khanman | where can i fnd a list of other unofficial debian repositories (besides just happening upon them in google search) ? |
| 13:04.36 | czr | Lorvija, krad2 is a irc-zombier |
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| 13:04.49 | liable | Lorvija: um, the thousands of web/email servers say yes.. |
| 13:04.49 | Lorvija | czr okay nice (: |
| 13:04.49 | czr | Lorvija, so your system is part of some ddos network most likely |
| 13:04.58 | takatumi | khanman: what exactly are you searching for? |
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| 13:05.01 | amorphix | laptop hardware has so many quirks |
| 13:05.03 | Lorvija | czr well ye, i figured that out :P |
| 13:05.12 | Serge_K | wtf with those Asian boys in Paris... think its just stupid |
| 13:05.16 | Lorvija | liable hmm okay, gonna fuck this guy up then |
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| 13:05.32 | khanman | takatumi, nothing in particular right now :) just for future reference |
| 13:05.32 | czr | connects to bots.masteam.org |
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| 13:05.36 | Lorvija | czr you really think krp would be interested? :E |
| 13:05.37 | Guerin | Lorvija: firewalls are less use against cracking than you might think |
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| 13:05.41 | czr | also contains code to do bruteforce cracking on passwords |
| 13:05.46 | Lorvija | Guerin okay (: |
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| 13:05.51 | Kovecses | is there a gnome 2.12 debian backport yet? |
| 13:06.03 | czr | also contains some weird http code |
| 13:06.16 | Guerin | kjus: you tell us |
| 13:06.20 | pureone | have you run chkrootkit and rkhunter yet? |
| 13:06.22 | Guerin | Kovecses: you tell us too |
| 13:06.29 | Lorvija | czr okay, thanks. gotta reinstall then.. (: |
| 13:06.30 | pureone | or clamav |
| 13:06.31 | amorphix | if you have weak passwords its your lookout eh |
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| 13:06.33 | czr | pureone, doesn't have to, he has one :-) |
| 13:06.43 | amorphix | use proper passwords and change them regularly |
| 13:06.46 | liable | Lorvija: all depends on the services you run (which should really be nill for a desktop) and how you configure them. |
| 13:06.53 | pureone | i would be intrested looking at the binarys :) |
| 13:06.56 | Serge_K | a funny way for a revolution.. to fire cars... |
| 13:06.59 | Lorvija | liable thats server.. atm only ssh and apache |
| 13:07.04 | Kovecses | Guerin, i know that there is a spanish site that has a backport for it but when i tried to install it didnt work |
| 13:07.05 | andreiutz | amorphix, http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/aOan0F94.html is it ok ? |
| 13:07.06 | czr | pureone, http://samiallam.free.fr/krad2 |
| 13:07.07 | Lorvija | liable oh and ftp |
| 13:07.22 | liable | !ftp |
| 13:07.23 | dpkg | hmm... ftp is (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
| 13:07.24 | pureone | thanks :) |
| 13:07.33 | czr | Lorvija, hope you don't ssh to external systems from your computer |
| 13:07.35 | amorphix | andreiutz: yes that looks fine |
| 13:07.41 | liable | meh |
| 13:07.55 | Lorvija | czr not from my server (: luckily |
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| 13:07.57 | czr | channel #masteam |
| 13:07.59 | andreiutz | amorphix, but why are 2 mouses marked there ? |
| 13:08.00 | Guerin | Kovecses: sucks to be backportin'. |
| 13:08.07 | Guerin | Kovecses: use ubuntu. |
| 13:08.08 | czr | darkmech seems to be the name of author or smt |
| 13:08.15 | Kovecses | Guerin, no way |
| 13:08.18 | Lorvija | liable right.. gotta keep that in mind (: |
| 13:08.25 | Guerin | Kovecses: why not? |
| 13:08.26 | khanman | n/m google actually gave me some good hits on that |
| 13:08.26 | andreiutz | amorphix, what should i do to get the keyboard working ? |
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| 13:08.32 | andreiutz | amorphix, reinstall debian ? |
| 13:08.42 | czr | Lorvija, if you want KRP to do anything at all |
| 13:08.44 | dorto | what is the cmd to list all the groups? id -Gn is not showing all to me |
| 13:08.44 | amorphix | andreiutz: I dont know, why dont you try commenting one out |
| 13:08.48 | czr | Lorvija, you'll have to disco now |
| 13:08.49 | Lorvija | liable been thinking to install some kind of port knock prog.. so the ssh/ftp ports would be open only when needed.. |
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| 13:08.59 | czr | Lorvija, then make an image of the hd with a rescue-cd or smt like that |
| 13:09.07 | alessiog75 | hello @all |
| 13:09.11 | liable | !ftp should die |
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| 13:09.11 | Kovecses | Guerin, alot of things i like better in debian...... and i cannot get sound to work in ubuntu |
| 13:09.12 | czr | Lorvija, then reinst |
| 13:09.14 | amorphix | andreiutz: reinstalling seems a bit drastic! did you try a reboot? |
| 13:09.16 | pureone | looks like the http part is just for downloading updates/newprograms for the bot |
| 13:09.23 | liable | fuck. |
| 13:09.25 | czr | pureone, could be |
| 13:09.31 | czr | pureone, just read the strings dump quickly |
| 13:09.33 | dorto | ah, id -Gn shows the groups of the current user :P |
| 13:09.36 | Lorvija | czr hmm, cant do :E |
| 13:09.36 | Guerin | Kovecses: odd, since sound is 100% kernel |
| 13:09.41 | pureone | thats what im doing ;) |
| 13:09.51 | andreiutz | amorphix, i tried 20 reboots . i have this problem from yesterday |
| 13:09.57 | czr | pureone, strings is so leet ;-) |
| 13:10.03 | pontus | etch upgrade: *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (!prev): 0x08747d68 *** when setting up passwd. is it a known problem? |
| 13:10.04 | pureone | :P |
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| 13:10.17 | czr | Lorvija, then you have to decide what you want to do |
| 13:10.20 | Kovecses | Guerin, the wierd thing is that EVERY kernel i have used that is greater than 2.6.12 my sound gets detected.... but not with ubuntu |
| 13:10.23 | czr | Lorvija, I'd go with a proper reinst |
| 13:10.24 | signius | Good Morning guys |
| 13:10.25 | amorphix | andreiutz: ok thats very strange indeed, this is on a desktop machine too? |
| 13:10.35 | czr | Lorvija, the system could have been broken into using an existing valid account too |
| 13:10.46 | Kovecses | Guerin, on hoary i just compiled alsa myself....... but breezy i cant even do that |
| 13:10.48 | Lorvija | czr hmm ye, gotta reinstall soon when got time |
| 13:10.52 | andreiutz | amorphix, what do you mean desktop machine ? |
| 13:10.53 | Lorvija | czr well that guy had account (: |
| 13:10.55 | pureone | run join /etc/shadow |
| 13:10.57 | pureone | er |
| 13:10.58 | pureone | john |
| 13:11.00 | xoz | Kovecses: don't use autodetect. just modprobe the modules for your sound. |
| 13:11.02 | czr | Lorvija, that's how he broke in |
| 13:11.07 | pureone | see if theres any weak passwords |
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| 13:11.11 | czr | linux kernel is full of local exploits |
| 13:11.11 | amorphix | andreiutz: this is not a laptop with an external kb? |
| 13:11.18 | Lorvija | czr yep, and his bash_history is how i knew that he used krad2 :E |
| 13:11.18 | andreiutz | amorphix, no |
| 13:11.21 | amorphix | ok |
| 13:11.23 | andreiutz | amorphix, no it is a desktop |
| 13:11.25 | czr | he left a bash_history? |
| 13:11.26 | czr | haha |
| 13:11.31 | Kovecses | xoz, no biggie... im using sarge now with absolutely no problems |
| 13:11.34 | Lorvija | czr as i said he thinks im real noob :P |
| 13:11.35 | czr | he is not that hot Lorvija |
| 13:11.38 | andreiutz | amorphix, it is a dual boot box |
| 13:11.44 | andreiutz | debian/winxp |
| 13:11.48 | resiak | pontus: Remember getting that with the new glibc and an older libterm-readline-gnu-perl. You might want to upgrade the latter. |
| 13:11.50 | Lorvija | czr he's prolly some sort of script kiddy.. but dangerous one |
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| 13:11.57 | czr | Lorvija, yeah, looks like it |
| 13:12.00 | tobo | how do i switch which pipe is using the video overlay function in X? |
| 13:12.03 | czr | Lorvija, I burn all script kiddies |
| 13:12.03 | pontus | resiak: I'll try that, thanks |
| 13:12.12 | czr | Lorvija, I'd suggest you do the same |
| 13:12.13 | Lorvija | Ignored czr because of beep-flood. |
| 13:12.15 | pureone | a real hacker would use a shell that doesnt log ;) |
| 13:12.17 | dorto | what is the command to see all the groups of a particular user? |
| 13:12.28 | signius | When i do apt-get update it leaves 2 packages kept pack these packages are kdegraphics and kpdf why are they being left and is it possible to upgrade them or if that is not a good idea why isnt it a good idea ? |
| 13:12.28 | Lorvija | czr ye, i'll burn too, if i knew how :E |
| 13:12.32 | czr | pureone, export HISTORY_SIZE=0 goes a long way too :-) |
| 13:12.33 | resiak | tobo: Read thedocs |
| 13:12.36 | czr | Lorvija, I told you how |
| 13:12.37 | Lorvija | pureone :P |
| 13:12.37 | resiak | tobo: Read thedocs for your chipset. |
| 13:12.47 | xoz | dorto: groups? |
| 13:12.50 | pureone | dorto shocking enough its "groups" |
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| 13:12.52 | czr | or was it history_lines, smt like that anyway |
| 13:12.53 | tobo | but i mean on the fly not via the conf, i know how to do this |
| 13:12.54 | andreiutz | amorphix, i hate this problem |
| 13:12.57 | Lorvija | czr as i really need that server so cant afford too long downtime :E |
| 13:13.03 | dorto | :P |
| 13:13.09 | andreiutz | amorphix, is there any posibility to find out whay this problem ? |
| 13:13.10 | czr | Lorvija, life is full of choices. life is. |
| 13:13.13 | tobo | ive seen a bin file for this on a mailing list at one time but i cant seem to remember where |
| 13:13.14 | phanter | hello. I installed debian next to another debian (the second one is to test xfce). can I share the home dir without any problems between the two? |
| 13:13.16 | resiak | tobo: Again, it's chipset-specific, _probably_. |
| 13:13.21 | resiak | tobo: Are you using i855 |
| 13:13.29 | tobo | yes |
| 13:13.33 | relic | i855gm? |
| 13:13.36 | tobo | yep |
| 13:13.41 | relic | hehe |
| 13:13.54 | tobo | ? |
| 13:13.56 | tobo | =) |
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| 13:14.08 | resiak | tobo: Google for i855crt |
| 13:14.15 | tobo | oki |
| 13:14.23 | signius | How can i stop the packages being held back with apt-get upgrade ? |
| 13:14.23 | xoz | phanter: yep. what problem do you have in mind? |
| 13:14.34 | resiak | tobo: Do you have dual heading and/or switching cleanly between internal and external screens working? |
| 13:14.36 | relic | tobo, small |
| 13:14.50 | amorphix | andreiutz: if you open a shell in X does the kb work then? |
| 13:14.54 | Serge_K | phanter: first.. theres no need to install one more debian...:) |
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| 13:15.16 | phanter | Serge_K, I know, but I want to keep the other one a bit clean :) |
| 13:15.19 | tobo | i have clone working yes, and the i810switch works perfectly |
| 13:15.26 | phanter | xoz, dunno that is the question |
| 13:15.42 | xoz | phanter: how do you plan to share it? |
| 13:15.59 | Serge_K | Phated: jusst ccopy those files and thats all |
| 13:16.01 | resiak | tobo: But can you switch up the resolution on the external screen after switching to it without restarting X? |
| 13:16.19 | phanter | xoz, the home dir is on a separate partition. I can mount it in the home dir can I? |
| 13:16.39 | amorphix | andreiutz: maybe you could try upgrading kernel or installing stock image kernel |
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| 13:17.05 | xoz | phanter: i am assuming you are going to share the home dir through a network. in that case, you have to export it by nfs |
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| 13:17.16 | tobo | i havent tried that, im just using the same resolution at the moment. Im using the i810 driver for xorg and in the xorg.conf i have monitorlayout "crt,lfp" and "clone" "true" |
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| 13:17.43 | dorto | a directory has rwxrwxr-x permissions; the group owner is 'www'; user 'foo' belongs to the group 'www'; still 'foo' is not able to create any file in that dir. what am i doing wrong?? |
| 13:17.46 | resiak | tobo: okay, never mind then. |
| 13:17.51 | tobo | ive tried to use the same pipe for both as well (ie "crt+lfp,none") but that just messed up the display |
| 13:18.10 | amorphix | andreiutz: if you have other kernels on your bootloader, perhaps try booting with an earlier kernel to eliminate a driver/kernel problem |
| 13:18.22 | czr | dorto, recheck that foo belongs to www |
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| 13:18.33 | tobo | i dont really mind if theyre the same resolution i just want to either switch which pipe is using the video overlay or get it working on both of them at the same time |
| 13:18.34 | Serge_K | phanter: silly problem.. copy it off.. destroy pertitiion.. copy Linux into the new one.. work.. |
| 13:18.47 | czr | dorto, you logged in as 'foo'? if so, do 'id' and check whether www is listed as group. if not, relogin |
| 13:18.51 | resiak | tobo: i855crt can do that. I can't make all kinds of things work. |
| 13:18.52 | dorto | czr: 'groups foo' displays 'www' |
| 13:19.05 | phanter | Serge_K, wow, wait. I don't think I understand! |
| 13:19.07 | signius | Ok i resolved it i had to do a apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 13:19.09 | czr | dorto, try the id-thingy |
| 13:19.17 | czr | dorto, if you're testing with foo account |
| 13:19.34 | dorto | czr: yes, i am logged in as 'foo' and checked with id -Gn; www is there |
| 13:19.35 | czr | group memberships are applied when you login, not after that |
| 13:19.36 | tobo | oki, so i run that at the same time as the driver im currently using then? set up two devices and two monitors? |
| 13:19.44 | caringi | hi... i use debian testing and my burning cd program "k3b" disapered... and i don't find it anymore via apt-cache search... any idea? the same for kwordtrans translator program |
| 13:19.56 | dorto | czr : oops no:( |
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| 13:20.03 | Serge_K | phanter: mean,you want to migrate? form one disk to another? |
| 13:20.03 | noloK | hi |
| 13:20.06 | Guerin | !why is k3b not in testing? |
| 13:20.07 | dpkg | k3b is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=k3b |
| 13:20.09 | czr | dorto, relogin and try again, should work |
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| 13:20.14 | dorto | k |
| 13:20.20 | Guerin | caringi: see the above url; change the packagename if you want |
| 13:20.30 | caringi | ok |
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| 13:20.59 | noloK | in which section is the ide_* modules in 2.6? i want to make them in the kernel, not modules |
| 13:21.08 | tobo | resiak, this page "http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Utilities/i855crt-6219.shtml" states that the driver wont fix my problem =/ |
| 13:21.09 | EdLin | caringi: k3b is only a front-end to mkisofs and cdrecord, you can always browse their useful man pages and use them from the command line. |
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| 13:21.36 | tobo | do you have any idea on how i can switch between the pipes at least? |
| 13:21.50 | tobo | on the fly that is, not in config |
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| 13:22.09 | nathraah | Which are the packages, I have to apt-get in order to have LAME support? |
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| 13:22.23 | Kovecses | deb http://apt.linex.org/linex2006 cl xorg gtk-2.8 varios gnome-2.12 |
| 13:22.33 | Kovecses | to get xorg and gnome 2.12 |
| 13:22.39 | xoz | noloK: ATA/ATAPI ... IDE? |
| 13:22.47 | resiak | tobo: It tells you how to patch X to do what you want. |
| 13:22.49 | amorphix | hey, do you guys in US call a film with no sound, a "mute film" or a "silent movie" |
| 13:22.56 | Phated | amorphix: The latter. |
| 13:23.00 | amorphix | ok |
| 13:23.05 | Kovecses | amorphix, silent movie |
| 13:23.13 | amorphix | thanks guys |
| 13:23.34 | caringi | EdLin, yes.... i know, but i prefer gui |
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| 13:23.45 | nathraah | Kovecses, 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 13:23.56 | tobo | resiak, another thing, could i just ignore the monitorlayout and clone options and then just use i810switch to clone the image on my computer. It seems like the laptop can send the EXACT same signal if i dont want to customize them |
| 13:23.57 | Kovecses | nathan_, huh? |
| 13:23.58 | nathraah | I added this line, but nothing happened |
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| 13:24.20 | eliteforce | hi |
| 13:24.33 | Kovecses | nathan_, did you apt-get update |
| 13:24.33 | enveezee | not yet, but I am working on it |
| 13:24.47 | nathraah | Kovecses, yeap |
| 13:24.54 | eliteforce | are there netisos for debian unstable? |
| 13:24.57 | resiak | tobo: I DO NOT KNOW I HAVE NEVER MADE IT WORK! |
| 13:25.06 | resiak | eliteforce: /msg dpkg iyhtays |
| 13:25.17 | noloK | xoz, oh yeah, there is one subsection...thanks |
| 13:25.17 | tobo | ok.. |
| 13:25.30 | Kovecses | nathan_, works for me |
| 13:25.34 | Kovecses | oops |
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| 13:25.43 | Kovecses | nathraah, works for me |
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| 13:26.06 | eliteforce | resiak: are there netiso's for debian unstable? :P |
| 13:26.18 | resiak | eliteforce: No, there are not, and you should not install Sid if you are asking taht. |
| 13:26.19 | nathraah | Kovecses, what did you type after apt-get update? apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 13:26.23 | antgel | setting up a samba/ldap server. is smbldap-* necessary? we have another install where we added users to ldap via cpu and they authenticated fine. what does smbldap give us? |
| 13:26.26 | resiak | !tell eliteforce -about sid faq |
| 13:26.56 | Kovecses | nathraah, well the instructions say to..... apt-get install xserver-xorg then apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 13:27.51 | Kovecses | nathraah, paste your sources.list in #flood |
| 13:27.53 | nathraah | Kovecses, okey |
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| 13:29.13 | ralf | hi all |
| 13:29.14 | nathraah | Kovecses, http://pastebin.ca/28556 |
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| 13:29.32 | ralf | how growisofs burns in DAO or TAO mode? |
| 13:29.49 | caringi | Guerin: what do you prefer... unstable or testing? |
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| 13:30.33 | Guerin | caringi: each has its own purpose |
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| 13:30.35 | nathraah | Kovecses, maybe I missed a line? |
| 13:30.44 | EdLin | caringi: IYNTAYS |
| 13:30.50 | Kovecses | nathraah, looks ok to me |
| 13:30.56 | nathraah | ok |
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| 13:32.33 | Kovecses | nathraah, let me post mine |
| 13:32.44 | caringi | Guerin, apart peolpe using stable... what the majority of people use? testing or unstable? |
| 13:32.58 | EdLin | ubik`: use only as directed? |
| 13:33.50 | Kovecses | nathraah, http://pastebin.ca/28557 |
| 13:34.14 | EdLin | caringi: the majority of people use windows. |
| 13:34.18 | EdLin | !polls |
| 13:34.18 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 13:34.44 | Kovecses | caringi, i think more people are using unstable |
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| 13:35.17 | EdLin | caringi: the majority ran unstable because you get security updates, but now testing has that. |
| 13:35.26 | Guerin | caringi: sane people use stable or testing. |
| 13:35.40 | Kovecses | testing sucks right now |
| 13:35.40 | Guerin | caringi: people who like to feel the burn use unstable |
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| 13:35.47 | Guerin | testing does suck a bit right now |
| 13:35.53 | caringi | thanks... i'm not a sane people |
| 13:36.04 | resiak | EdLin: You do not get security updates |
| 13:36.21 | EdLin | resiak: testing has a security update repository now |
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| 13:36.49 | resiak | EdLin: Sid does not. |
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| 13:37.38 | sward | resiak: unstable doesn't get security updates from the security team, but fixes tend to get in through upstream |
| 13:37.39 | EdLin | resiak: true enough, but usually, but not always, there's a vulnerability-free package in sid mentioned in debian-security-announce |
| 13:37.52 | caringi | why testing suck a bit right now? only right now? :) |
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| 13:38.24 | Kovecses | caringi, it is missing alot of packages ..... but in time i will be using testing |
| 13:38.36 | ubik` | EdLin, what? |
| 13:38.53 | EdLin | ubik`: your nick is the same as a Philip K. Dick book. |
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| 13:39.08 | resiak | sward, EdLin: Yeah, I know. Not quite the same thing though. |
| 13:39.19 | ubik` | yeah, i love philip k dicks books |
| 13:39.32 | caringi | Kovecses, i started my questions here and now because i realize that some packages disapered... |
| 13:39.44 | Kovecses | brb |
| 13:39.56 | john_doe | Yesterday I installed debian for the first time, and it feels good :-) I have two questions now. I still have 2.4 kernel, I want 2.6. I read the kernel guide but 'apt-get install linux-source-2.6.12' gives nothing. Why not? My computer doesn't turn off the power when closed down. I just ends up with saying "power down", and I have to push the button my self. It is very important for me to get this fixed, because it's |
| 13:40.11 | resiak | john_doe: Truncated at "this fixed, because it's" |
| 13:40.24 | resiak | john_doe: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-386 |
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| 13:40.38 | john_doe | It is very important for me to get this fixed, because it's used for wake-on-lan. I guess I should use apm and then I should probably just compile the 2.6 kernel my self. Or can I fix this in another way? |
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| 13:41.12 | john_doe | resiak: oh, then I really misunderstood the kernel guide. |
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| 13:41.33 | resiak | john_doe: You don't need to roll your own. |
| 13:41.35 | john_doe | resiak: but this will give me a binary, wright? |
| 13:41.44 | john_doe | right, sorry |
| 13:41.45 | EdLin | john_doe: you can install Debian with the 2.6 kernel with either "linux26" or "expert26" at the first splash screen, or you can apt-get it after installation. |
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| 13:41.58 | resiak | john_doe: Oh wait, are you on Sarge or something else? Yes, it will install a binary. Why would you want to build from source? :) |
| 13:42.06 | b4rt | john_doe: you should of started the install by using linux26 |
| 13:42.35 | b4rt | boot: linux26 |
| 13:42.41 | john_doe | I'm on sarge |
| 13:43.10 | EdLin | john_doe: Sarge installs 2.4 by default but the installer can install 2.6 too. |
| 13:43.18 | john_doe | I already have installed. I don't suppose it's a problem, that I install the 2.6 kernel now instead of during the system install |
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| 13:43.34 | resiak | john_doe: Then kernel-image-2.6-386 will work, although you can change the -386 to something else. apt-cache search --names-only kernel-image-2.6, pick one. |
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| 13:43.41 | xoz | john_doe: you are correct. ignore those you should haves... |
| 13:44.04 | XcR` | ok, i have an amd k6 350mhz, anyone know what architecture i need? i386? |
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| 13:44.23 | Guerin | XcR`: yes |
| 13:44.51 | XcR` | thanks |
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| 13:45.38 | john_doe | The reason why I'm thinking about compiling the kernel my self is the "power down" issue. Do you know how to make the system shut down the power after shutting down the system? If I compiled the kernel my self, I'm pretty sure, I could make it do it. |
| 13:46.00 | resiak | john_doe: Mine just works with 2.6 kernel image |
| 13:46.12 | john_doe | resiak: ok, then I'll just try that |
| 13:46.17 | xoz | john_doe: try 2.6 before making your hands dirty |
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| 13:46.40 | john_doe | thanks to all of you. |
| 13:46.49 | XcR` | ok.. i see the dvd torrent download page.. there are 2 torrents (2 binaries) |
| 13:46.52 | XcR` | do i need both of them |
| 13:46.54 | XcR` | +? |
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| 13:47.11 | EdLin | XcR`: no. Whatever is on the second DVD you can install over the net. |
| 13:47.26 | XcR` | hmm, i kinda need an offline installation |
| 13:47.32 | XcR` | that box has no network card |
| 13:47.49 | EdLin | XcR`: Debian isos are arranged in order of popularity. |
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| 13:48.31 | XcR` | so.. which do i need :P |
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| 13:49.22 | john_doe | why can't I get a newer kernel than 2.6.8? Could that be becaus of my source, or is it the newest one available? |
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| 13:50.23 | EdLin | john_doe: 2.6.8-2 is the latest in Sarge |
| 13:50.36 | john_doe | EdLin: ok. |
| 13:50.46 | EdLin | john_doe: an update is being worked on. |
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| 13:51.07 | EdLin | john_doe: though that update might just be new patches for 2.6.8 |
| 13:51.34 | resiak | john_doe: Why do you _need_ a newer kernel? |
| 13:51.36 | john_doe | EdLin: It's ok. This is a personal server that should just work without being touched more often than every six months or so. |
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| 13:52.07 | john_doe | resiak: I don't I just wanted to know if my source was "obsolete"... |
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| 13:52.36 | resiak | john_doe: Sarge is stable, so no new versions (barring security updates) get in, basically. |
| 13:53.05 | john_doe | resiak: that's fine with me :-) |
| 13:53.07 | EdLin | john_doe: yes, you don't want your system to be affected by bit-rot, a disease of the computer (or computer-user) gets from having too old version numbers. |
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| 13:54.02 | john_doe | EdLin: what do you mean? you advice me to update my system every once in a while? |
| 13:54.03 | octopus | hello. can anybody help me to install debian on my f-s lifebook. i dont have any a floppy or a cdrom. but i can put the harddisk into my f-s amilo.. booting form usbstick with debian netinstall dont success. have anybody a idea? |
| 13:54.19 | EdLin | john_doe: I'm joking. :-) Sorry for not including a smiley. :-) |
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| 13:57.12 | Anthro | What's the virtual package used for ITP and RFP and such bugs? |
| 13:57.52 | fatal_ | wnpp |
| 13:58.09 | Anthro | fatal_: Yes, that's it. Thanks. |
| 13:58.27 | bizkit | I've setup a sarge system inside my real system using debootstrap, I run ssh with pam on my real system so i said pam to chroot certain users into the jail when they use ssh. ssh works fine. the problem is, the subsystems of ssh (scp, sftp) don't work.. why? did i forget something? is there something in the jail that has to be installed in order to use the subsystems? |
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| 13:59.09 | bizkit | do the subsystems have their own files in /etc/pam.d ? |
| 13:59.14 | bartosz | czesc |
| 13:59.34 | clojster | is there some command which makes running fetchmail daemon to fetch mails when invoking that command? |
| 13:59.34 | bartosz | jest tu ktoÅ›? |
| 13:59.50 | bizkit | clojster: /etc/init.d/fetchmail awaken |
| 13:59.50 | bartosz | hmmmm say what? |
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| 14:00.18 | EdLin | !cz |
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| 14:00.18 | dpkg | hmm... cz is Czech Republic. Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz |
| 14:00.28 | EdLin | oops, there he goes |
| 14:00.46 | ori | how do i get gtk-config form the deb install |
| 14:00.51 | ori | net install i mean |
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| 14:01.43 | EdLin | ori: select it from aptitude, which you can do in the manually add packages selection towards the end of the installation. |
| 14:02.04 | ori | i am after the install |
| 14:02.06 | ori | can i run it again ? |
| 14:02.32 | EdLin | ori: you don't need to run the install program to add a program. Do it with aptitude or apt-get (or in a GUI synaptic) |
| 14:02.40 | Anthro | ori: Is gtk-config the thing that GTK apps use to get the right paths and such for compilation? |
| 14:02.57 | ori | think so |
| 14:03.08 | ori | it is needed for a something i am installing |
| 14:03.38 | EdLin | !wayc |
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| 14:04.08 | Anthro | ori: Then you want libgtk-dev or something very much like it. apt-cache search libgtk dev . Oh, and you should check to see whether what you are trying to install is already available as a Debian package. One rarely needs to compile. |
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| 14:04.30 | ori | how do i check if its in a deb package |
| 14:04.38 | Anthro | ori: apt-cache search |
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| 14:04.49 | Anthro | ori: What is the app? |
| 14:05.17 | ori | playerstage |
| 14:05.32 | ori | playerstage.sf.net |
| 14:05.38 | Anthro | ori: What does it do? |
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| 14:05.47 | ori | its a framework for robotic simulation |
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| 14:06.54 | cmdKeen | sry for offtopic, but is there some AutoCAD clone in Repository ? |
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| 14:07.37 | Anthro | ori: Well, it looks like it isn't in Debian, and the project doesn't offer a .deb download. You will, indeed, have to compile. Make sure you install in /usr/local |
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| 14:07.46 | phanter | cmdKeen, what will you need it for? |
| 14:07.54 | Anthro | cmdKeen: Not offtopic. I'd try apt-cache search cad first |
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| 14:08.01 | phanter | cmdKeen, autocad can be used for many things |
| 14:09.09 | cmdKeen | phanter, well... don't know exactly, but I'd like to know if there is something like it when I need it, you know. |
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| 14:10.12 | cmdKeen | phanter, at least 2D 'painting' ;) |
| 14:10.17 | dorto | how to find the email id on localsystem of current user? |
| 14:10.25 | dorto | user@localhost doesn't seem to exist |
| 14:10.54 | amorphix | my sound chirps and crackles |
| 14:11.09 | blondie | like a birdy? |
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| 14:11.14 | amorphix | its like its playing so fast you only here a few crackle noises |
| 14:11.16 | b4rt | varkon - A CAD-system with parametric modelling |
| 14:11.16 | amorphix | yeah |
| 14:11.18 | Anthro | cmdKeen: I find pythoncad, electric, varkon, and qcad |
| 14:11.24 | amorphix | *hear |
| 14:11.36 | amorphix | im gonna reboot |
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| 14:12.01 | Anthro | cmdKeen: If what you want is a simple 2D drawing/diagramming program, try dia, xfig, and/or sodipodi. |
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| 14:13.21 | greg0ry | hello i need some help with my debian box, it is something wrong with it not receving some packages |
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| 14:13.42 | greg0ry | i can ping it but i can not www or ssh to it or i can't go on net thru it |
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| 14:14.58 | McStarfighter | Hi |
| 14:14.59 | greg0ry | anyone that can help me with my issue ? |
| 14:15.12 | amorphix | firewall |
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| 14:15.48 | john_doe | yesterday I learned to put commands that should be run at boot in /etc/init.d/autoexec.bat. This may be a newbie question, but should that have executable right or is it source'd by another script? |
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| 14:16.10 | john_doe | 's/rights/permissions/g' |
| 14:16.12 | greg0ry | amorphix no firewall on it |
| 14:16.21 | greg0ry | i do can ping it |
| 14:16.25 | enveezee | haha |
| 14:16.27 | amorphix | no route out? |
| 14:16.29 | greg0ry | but i still can n ot ssh on it |
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| 14:16.39 | greg0ry | and ssh is running |
| 14:16.40 | amorphix | can you ping ip addresses outside your network |
| 14:16.52 | Anthro | john_doe: Gah! WTF? autoexec.bat? This ain't MS-DOS. What are you trying to do here, exactly? |
| 14:16.54 | greg0ry | i can not connect from inside |
| 14:16.56 | amorphix | check DNS is working |
| 14:17.07 | greg0ry | the box is in lan with me |
| 14:17.19 | amorphix | if DNS is configured, and you cannot ping IP addresses even, you have no route |
| 14:17.30 | greg0ry | i can ping the box |
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| 14:17.50 | amorphix | ok, I thought the problem was you couldnt get an outward connection/download packages? |
| 14:17.54 | greg0ry | i am on the box curently but from my other machine i can not even connect on this one |
| 14:18.13 | amorphix | ok i understand |
| 14:18.21 | john_doe | Anthro: I know almost nothing about ms-win. But yesterday in this very forum, I was told that commands in /etc/init.d/autoexec.bat would be run at boot. |
| 14:18.24 | ori | k Anthro |
| 14:18.25 | amorphix | you cannot ssh to your box across your lan? |
| 14:18.31 | greg0ry | exacly |
| 14:18.35 | greg0ry | i can ping it |
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| 14:18.39 | amorphix | ok |
| 14:18.42 | greg0ry | i also have www on it |
| 14:18.46 | greg0ry | i can't access that either |
| 14:18.51 | cmdKeen | Anthro, wow thanks ;) |
| 14:18.52 | amorphix | are you running iptables? |
| 14:18.53 | john_doe | I have a coomand that must be run at every boot |
| 14:18.59 | amorphix | you may need to open your ports |
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| 14:19.15 | Anthro | john_doe: Ugh. So... it could be done that way, but it's seriously ugly. What do you need to run at boot? |
| 14:19.34 | greg0ry | i do run iptables |
| 14:19.40 | john_doe | Anthro: ethtool -s eth0 wol g & |
| 14:19.44 | greg0ry | but there is no rule applied now |
| 14:19.49 | ori | Anthro, do you know which master package is gtk-info part of ? |
| 14:19.58 | greg0ry | i deleted all rules jus to be sure |
| 14:19.59 | resiak | john_doe: You were, basically, lied to about autoexec.bat |
| 14:20.05 | john_doe | Anthro: but should it be executable? |
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| 14:20.15 | resiak | !rc.local |
| 14:20.15 | dpkg | it has been said that rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 14:20.23 | john_doe | resiak: how? |
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| 14:20.48 | john_doe | resiak: "rc.local". was that to me? |
| 14:20.51 | dvs | john_doe: read what dpkg said |
| 14:21.05 | resiak | john_doe: Yes --- the factoid answers the question "how do I get stuff to run at boot?". |
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| 14:21.10 | amorphix | grey0ry: if you can ping but not connect to services, there could be two main things to check..if the services are running? then you should check the /etc/hosts.allow is configured correctly, then also check the ports are opened |
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| 14:21.30 | andreiutz | hello ! when i run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and select all my options , at the end when i check the XF86Config-4 there is nothing added in there . why ? |
| 14:21.39 | Anthro | Fuck me, I ctrl-alt-backspaced myself! |
| 14:21.52 | dorto | greg0ry: you are not making yourself properly understood |
| 14:21.52 | resiak | Anthro: no. |
| 14:22.03 | dvs | andreiutz: did you edit it by hand before? |
| 14:22.11 | xoz | Anthro: xorg.conf? |
| 14:22.16 | andreiutz | dvs, yes |
| 14:22.22 | dvs | that's why |
| 14:22.25 | dvs | !xmd5 |
| 14:22.25 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 14:22.26 | Anthro | ori: apt-cache search gtk dev |
| 14:22.46 | john_doe | thanks again. I will just put the command into rc.local. But in which directory should it be? |
| 14:22.50 | Anthro | xoz: Yeah, I know how to avoid it in general. The easiest way, of course, is to watch one's fingers. |
| 14:23.27 | Anthro | john_doe: Sorry about that. I would say you actually want it as part of bringing up the network. I'm trying to remember the easy way to hook that in. |
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| 14:23.52 | john_doe | dpkg: I see your point that I should just write an init script my self. But I don't know how to do that yet. I will learn that later, hopefully. |
| 14:24.08 | Anthro | john_doe: dpkg is a bot |
| 14:24.34 | dvs | john_doe: there is a skeleton script in the /etc/init.d directory |
| 14:24.40 | john_doe | Anthro: I don't need as a part of bringing up the network. It could be run seperately. |
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| 14:25.59 | john_doe | dvs: I see, thanks. |
| 14:26.09 | dvs | john_doe: no problem |
| 14:26.13 | Anthro | john_doe: But that's the right way to do it, see. That will make certain that it happens right when it has to. man interfaces and look for the pre-up directive. Make the pre-up command for eth0 the ethtool line you sent me. No need for a script at all. |
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| 14:26.30 | greg0ry | dorto ok i have to pcs connected on lan 1 is windows one linux |
| 14:26.49 | greg0ry | dorto linux box goes on INTERNET and the other one should normaly be able to connect to linux box |
| 14:26.53 | greg0ry | but i can not connect |
| 14:27.04 | greg0ry | i do can ping it but i can not connect to any port on it |
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| 14:27.39 | lunitik | greg0ry: applicable servers are up? correct ports are open? its pointing to the right place? |
| 14:27.46 | greg0ry | i try to ssh on it for example using putty and the black screen stays and stays but nothing really happen |
| 14:27.47 | Anthro | greg0ry: Do you have two ethernet cards in it and you're trying to make it a NAT router? |
| 14:27.52 | lunitik | greg0ry: define "can not connect" via what? |
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| 14:28.04 | amorphix | must be hosts restricted? |
| 14:28.44 | amorphix | are the services listening on the right IP address? |
| 14:28.48 | greg0ry | boxes are up and running curently i am on the linux box so i can get on chat and i can ping both serve from each to the other one |
| 14:28.54 | ori | how do i install a deb file from console and the gui |
| 14:28.57 | greg0ry | ssh i listened on the ip and port |
| 14:29.06 | amorphix | try to connect to service on the box itself |
| 14:29.23 | amorphix | to make sure service is running and properly configured |
| 14:29.32 | lunitik | ori: you don't.... you get it via apt-get... dpkg -i if you must |
| 14:30.03 | ori | its not on aptget |
| 14:30.05 | amorphix | if you cannot connect even, refer to error log |
| 14:30.13 | ori | but someone has released the deb files |
| 14:30.25 | ori | dpkg -i file.deb then ? |
| 14:30.30 | lunitik | ori: yes |
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| 14:31.00 | greg0ry | amorphix where are the logs of why i can not connect ? |
| 14:31.00 | lunitik | ori: its very unlikely its not already in the archive though... |
| 14:31.01 | julii | hello |
| 14:31.12 | lunitik | looking for things on the internet is so Windows-like |
| 14:31.17 | julii | i have heard this Linux ditro is the best |
| 14:31.17 | john_doe | Anthro: should I put "iface eth0 pre-up ethtool -s eth0 wol g" into /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 14:31.27 | amorphix | portmap might not be correctly configured, all ports are blocked/restricted by default |
| 14:31.34 | julii | what does debian offer that the other distros don't |
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| 14:31.50 | lunitik | julii: nothing at all |
| 14:31.52 | amorphix | if your network ip range isnt in hosts.allow for the services/ports you wont be able to connect |
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| 14:31.56 | greg0ry | portmap ain't even running |
| 14:32.01 | amorphix | ok |
| 14:32.23 | lunitik | julii: asking in #debian for an unbiased opinion about Debian isn't very smart |
| 14:32.29 | EdLin | julii: stability, integration, excellent package management |
| 14:32.42 | lunitik | EdLin: all applicable to other distro's.... |
| 14:32.53 | julii | lunitik:i just want to know what you guys get from debian |
| 14:32.55 | EdLin | lunitik: not as much |
| 14:33.01 | amorphix | grey0ry: /var/log/syslog |
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| 14:33.06 | lunitik | EdLin: although, what you mean by 'integration' I don't really know... |
| 14:33.15 | greg0ry | nothing there |
| 14:33.22 | greg0ry | telling me of what is wrong |
| 14:33.23 | lunitik | EdLin: Any Debian based distro........ |
| 14:33.25 | greg0ry | already checked |
| 14:33.52 | lunitik | julii: if you have to ask such questions though... Debian really isn't the distro for you |
| 14:33.53 | Wypracow | how do I find out more about an error reported as 'subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1'? |
| 14:33.56 | amorphix | must be a misconfiguration somewhere eh |
| 14:33.57 | julii | i am going to download the 2 4GB DVD images |
| 14:34.09 | amorphix | you should go thru your networking configuration carefully |
| 14:34.23 | lunitik | julii: oh my... that would take FOREVER... just get the net inst image |
| 14:34.26 | EdLin | lunitik: most "Debian based" distros are based on sid with some custom packages, so you can throw "stability" out the window. |
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| 14:34.46 | EdLin | !d-i julii |
| 14:34.47 | dpkg | julii, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 14:34.55 | ori | when something is on apt-cache search do i apt-get "thatthing" |
| 14:35.10 | troyme | :) |
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| 14:35.28 | MelkorD | Hmmmmmm |
| 14:35.30 | dvs | ori: apt-get install thatthing |
| 14:35.39 | ori | thanks dvs |
| 14:35.41 | lunitik | EdLin: no... most Debian based distro's are based on Sarge due to the Debian consortium... Ubuntu is based on a snapshot of Sid, with a period of 6 months devoted to bugfixes... |
| 14:35.47 | julii | about how big is debian and kde together |
| 14:36.04 | amorphix | maybe 1-2GB depending on apps |
| 14:36.10 | lunitik | julii: how big is a piece of string? |
| 14:36.15 | dorto | hahaha |
| 14:36.15 | EdLin | lunitik: so is knoppix, which means most live-CDs are based on sid. |
| 14:36.28 | amorphix | a small installation could be under 1GB |
| 14:36.40 | lunitik | julii: basic system + kde-core = ~400mb |
| 14:36.41 | julii | lunitik:isn't kde a specific size |
| 14:36.44 | dorto | isn't sid next version after etch? means the unstable version? |
| 14:36.53 | dvs | dorto: nope |
| 14:36.59 | marstewel | dorto: sid stays sid |
| 14:37.02 | lunitik | EdLin: actually, no... Knoppix is part of the Debian Consortium... and thus is based on Sarge |
| 14:37.02 | xoz | sid will never be stable |
| 14:37.03 | EdLin | dorto: sid is not the next version, it is always labeled unstable |
| 14:37.06 | julii | i want to install the whole of kde |
| 14:37.08 | lunitik | julii: no |
| 14:37.15 | dorto | sid means 'always the current unstable version'? |
| 14:37.27 | dvs | !sid |
| 14:37.28 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 14:37.31 | lunitik | dorto: Sid = kid that breaks everything |
| 14:37.36 | dorto | haha |
| 14:37.40 | EdLin | lunitik: it looks like you don't know what you're talking about. At least present-day knoppix bares no resemblence to Sarge. |
| 14:38.28 | lunitik | EdLin: I do actually... http://dccalliance.org/ feel enlightened |
| 14:38.48 | amorphix | my server installation without X is 935MB |
| 14:38.52 | andreiutz | what mosue should i choose if my mouse is on usb |
| 14:38.53 | andreiutz | ? |
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| 14:39.02 | andreiutz | *mouse |
| 14:39.05 | dvs | andreiutz: /dev/input/mice |
| 14:39.07 | lunitik | andreiutz: /dev/input/mice |
| 14:39.10 | amorphix | my workstation is 2.2GB with X+KDE |
| 14:39.10 | dorto | how can i check if mod_rewrite is installed in apache? the apache that is installed by default with debian sarge if 'web server' is selected? |
| 14:39.15 | Anthro | john_doe: Yes. Sorry, I was on another screen. |
| 14:39.20 | dvs | lunaphyte: liar. ;-) |
| 14:39.27 | amorphix | andreiutz: it should be detected automatically |
| 14:39.28 | lunitik | amorphix: you likely installed 'kde'... I said 'kde-core'... |
| 14:39.29 | andreiutz | dvs, lunitik thanks very much |
| 14:39.30 | marstewel | amorphix: thats pretty huge |
| 14:39.38 | andreiutz | amorphix, thanks |
| 14:39.41 | amorphix | it is |
| 14:39.44 | marstewel | amorphix: my server installs are < 500 MB |
| 14:39.49 | amorphix | phew |
| 14:39.51 | marstewel | something around 230 |
| 14:39.52 | andreiutz | amorphix, now i'm configuring xfree86 |
| 14:39.53 | marstewel | :D |
| 14:40.12 | marstewel | depends upon purpose of course |
| 14:40.14 | john_doe | Anthro: I can't tell from man interfaces how I shouldput this into /etc/network/interfaces. I tried with "pre-up ethtool -s eth0 wol g" but it didn't work. are you sure I can do this as a "pre-up". Does eth0 then exist?? |
| 14:40.14 | Anthro | john_doe: Actually, it should be a separate line. Do you use DHCP or do you have a static IP address? |
| 14:40.16 | andreiutz | amorphix, i hope the keyboard would work |
| 14:40.28 | amorphix | andreiutz: no luck? |
| 14:40.29 | john_doe | Anthro: dhcp |
| 14:40.43 | john_doe | Anthro: do you want to see my file? |
| 14:40.53 | Chance | this chat editor is killing me |
| 14:40.54 | Anthro | john_doe: Yes. /j #flood and post it there. |
| 14:41.02 | andreiutz | amorphix, not yet |
| 14:41.07 | amorphix | Chance: I am out of options for your problem I think I suggested everything |
| 14:41.15 | lunitik | Chance: what 'chat editor' |
| 14:41.21 | Chance | bx |
| 14:41.26 | lunitik | Chance: also... wtf is a 'chat editor' |
| 14:41.30 | Chance | chat clent |
| 14:41.34 | Chance | client* |
| 14:41.39 | Chance | or watever |
| 14:41.44 | Anthro | !pal chance |
| 14:41.50 | julii | i might as well get the whole of debian since,since i love to fool around with linux kernel and such |
| 14:41.53 | amorphix | anyone else got any ideas for Chance? He can ping his box but cannot connect to any services like SSH? He says he is not running a firewall, iptables rules is empty, and portmap is not running |
| 14:41.54 | lunitik | Chance: 'apt-get remove --purge bitchx ; apt-get install irssi' |
| 14:41.59 | lunitik | Chance: or XChat |
| 14:42.16 | amorphix | Chance: I think you will need port open rules in iptables just to connect |
| 14:42.22 | bonz | umm debian!=linux kernel |
| 14:42.28 | DJ-Marcuzz | how do you restart proftpd? |
| 14:42.34 | amorphix | someone correct me if I'm wrong plz |
| 14:42.48 | Chance | marcuzz /etc/init.d/proftpd restart |
| 14:42.50 | dvs | DJ-Marcuzz: invoke-rc.d proftpd restart |
| 14:42.50 | lunitik | DJ-Marcuzz: same way as any service... /etc/init.d/proftpd restart :/ |
| 14:43.00 | EdLin | julii: grabbing the two DVD images is only a good idea if the machine you're installing to is of the net. Otherewise it's completely unecessary. |
| 14:43.00 | lunitik | DJ-Marcuzz: or what dvs said |
| 14:43.15 | EdLin | s/of/off |
| 14:43.24 | marstewel | amorphix: iptables rules is empty AND default packet handling is not DROP ? |
| 14:43.41 | Chance | i do can ping the box |
| 14:43.46 | czr | Chance, you have an IP address for your box? ifconfig -a |
| 14:43.48 | EdLin | boy, remind me not to use my keyboard until I've completed my morning caffiene dosage. |
| 14:43.52 | amorphix | Chance: can you verify default packet handling is not DROP? |
| 14:43.55 | Chance | czr yes i do if i can ping it |
| 14:44.03 | lunitik | EdLin: haha |
| 14:44.04 | DJ-Marcuzz | thx |
| 14:44.09 | Anthro | john_doe: That's how I think it should look. It's possible that pre-up will only take a single argument, however, not a command with its own arguments. The man page isn't clear on that. Try putting that command in a script (yes, executable) in /usr/local/sbin (create the directory if necessary). Change the pre-up to refer to your script (with the full path). |
| 14:44.12 | Chance | amorphix just added a rule to accept everything on ctp |
| 14:44.15 | Chance | tcp* |
| 14:44.17 | amorphix | ok |
| 14:44.20 | czr | Chance, what says netstat -tnl? are the services up? |
| 14:44.23 | marstewel | Chance: do you have entries in /etc/hosts.allow and/or /etc/hosts.deny ? |
| 14:44.43 | czr | Anthro, adding quotes around pre-up and those helps |
| 14:44.48 | john_doe | Anthro: I'll try that. |
| 14:44.56 | Chance | ps auxw | grep ssh or netstat -pan| grep 22 shows me that are listening on the ips |
| 14:44.57 | bonz | EdLin: dont use your keyboard untiluo've completed your morning caffiene dosage. |
| 14:44.59 | Anthro | czr: Mm. That's a thought, too. |
| 14:45.02 | dorto | downloading dvd images is also preferable if the internet connection is painfully slow and unreliable |
| 14:45.03 | czr | I mean smt like this pre-up "vconfig add eth.2" |
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| 14:45.18 | czr | I think I had to use it that way one some system |
| 14:45.21 | Anthro | john_doe: Another possibility, as czr mentioned, is just to put quotes around the whole command. |
| 14:45.21 | czr | can check if you need it |
| 14:45.24 | Chance | marstewel the problem is not only ssh but everything else running on the box |
| 14:45.30 | dorto | that's one reason i don't like ubuntu or gentoo very much |
| 14:45.33 | marstewel | Chans: check /etc/hosts.deny |
| 14:45.47 | czr | chance, can you telnet to port 22 on localhost? |
| 14:45.49 | Anthro | john_doe: Like this: pre-up "ethtool -s eth0 wol g" |
| 14:46.05 | john_doe | Anthro: I understand, thanks. |
| 14:46.06 | czr | Chance, telnet localhost 22 |
| 14:46.21 | marstewel | czr: that might not work if SSH is bound to external IP only *g* |
| 14:46.23 | czr | if that works, then next try to telnet using the public ip of eth0 |
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| 14:46.25 | Chance | czr that shows me that is open and the version |
| 14:46.27 | Anthro | john_doe: Should it be done before eth0 comes up or after? If it's after, you might want it to be post-up instead of pre-up. |
| 14:46.29 | john_doe | Anthro: But are you sure that "eth0" exist before it's brought up? |
| 14:46.31 | lunitik | dorto: why's that? |
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| 14:46.36 | Chance | marstewel it's all commented out there |
| 14:46.53 | marstewel | Chance: follow czr's advice |
| 14:46.53 | czr | marstewel, sure. also might not happen if there is bad ram or the moon is in a too tilted position ;-) |
| 14:46.55 | Anthro | john_doe: Perhaps not. Maybe you want post-up instead. |
| 14:47.04 | john_doe | Anthro: I actually think it would be better with post-up. |
| 14:47.04 | marstewel | lol @ czr |
| 14:47.09 | john_doe | :-) |
| 14:47.10 | SlayerXP | afternoon |
| 14:47.11 | Anthro | john_doe: Experiment a little. |
| 14:47.23 | dorto | lunitik: why is what? ubuntu and gentoo don't allow me to download BIG images which i can use locally after downloading them |
| 14:47.29 | czr | eth0 does not exist at pre-up |
| 14:47.30 | Chance | czr everything worked untill this morning when i installed modconf and applyed some modules from QoS |
| 14:47.34 | czr | eth0 exists at post-up |
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| 14:47.47 | czr | Chance, can't you revert to older setup? |
| 14:47.47 | marstewel | ah QoS |
| 14:47.48 | dorto | lunitik: ubuntu has 1 dvd and gentoo 1/2 cd images |
| 14:47.48 | amorphix | laptop-net is a really screwed up thing |
| 14:47.52 | czr | yes lunitik |
| 14:47.53 | DJ-Marcuzz | hhmm, how can i see with users are in what groeps? |
| 14:47.58 | lunitik | dorto: sure they do |
| 14:48.00 | andreiutz | amorphix, yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 14:48.02 | czr | also, sometimes the needles in pineforests are out of sync |
| 14:48.04 | andreiutz | it wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooorks |
| 14:48.07 | Anthro | czr: That's not entirely accurate. If you do an ifconfig -a before bringing up any interfaces, eth0 will still be listed. |
| 14:48.07 | amorphix | :D |
| 14:48.12 | marstewel | DJ-Marcuzz: cat /etc/group |
| 14:48.13 | Chance | czr i did that but stil same thing all worked even with those up until i rebooted |
| 14:48.13 | andreiutz | thank you all |
| 14:48.22 | dvs | andreiutz: what works? |
| 14:48.33 | czr | Anthro, even if the module providing eth0 isn't loaded yet? |
| 14:48.44 | Anthro | DJ-Marcuzz: id <user> |
| 14:48.46 | andreiutz | dvs, thanks |
| 14:48.46 | dorto | lunitik: the rest i need to download and install from the installation machine. in debian i get 2 dvds |
| 14:48.48 | czr | Chance, what did telnet public-ip 22 say? |
| 14:48.57 | andreiutz | dvs, the keyboard works |
| 14:48.57 | Chance | theres a lot of text comming up in here i can barly see what you guys write |
| 14:49.08 | marstewel | Anthro: that is too much output isnt it? :D |
| 14:49.10 | lunitik | dorto: why the hell would you want to download every open source package known to man? |
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| 14:49.18 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 14:49.21 | lunitik | (what the DVD's include) |
| 14:49.31 | Anthro | czr: Probably not, but that happens really early in the boot process. Well before pre-up |
| 14:49.32 | dvs | Chance: if your X works then use an X chat client |
| 14:49.50 | Chance | dvs no X here this is a server machine |
| 14:49.52 | dorto | lunitik: how can every opensource package known to man fit in 2 dvds? |
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| 14:50.03 | lunitik | Sarge has something like 15,000 packages... you likely use less than 1,000... thats just not smart |
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| 14:50.06 | czr | Anthro, so your point about me being inaccurate applies how? |
| 14:50.08 | dorto | lunitik: but surely i want 2 dvd full of software to start with |
| 14:50.11 | Anthro | marstewel: Not necessarily. And it's processable. /etc/group doesn't give you default groups, necessarily, so id is more correct. |
| 14:50.14 | czr | I can be anal too |
| 14:50.25 | DJ-Marcuzz | my proftpd.conf has: DefaultRoot /FTP/, but how can i say that only user marcus gos there, and the rest goes to /FTP2/ ? |
| 14:50.28 | Anthro | czr: eth0 exists before pre-up, it just isn't active. |
| 14:50.30 | dorto | lunitik: anything more, i won't mind occassionally having to download from internet |
| 14:50.31 | marstewel | Anthro: he didnt ask for the initial groups :D |
| 14:50.51 | czr | anthro, it doesn't exist on first ifup -a when the module for the nic isn't loaded |
| 14:50.53 | Buz__ | hello, i'm having problems with gconf, when i try to run any gnome app that uses gconf, it says it can run gconf because it isnt at /usr/libexec/ |
| 14:50.59 | Anthro | marstewel: He asked for the groups (well, groeps) users are in. That includes initial group. |
| 14:51.00 | lunitik | dorto: I prefer downloading packages as I use them... gradually building a useful system... makes more sense to me... |
| 14:51.18 | Anthro | czr: How certain are you of that? I bet the module is loaded before pre-up is called. |
| 14:51.18 | marstewel | Anthro: okay, then cat /etc/passwd | cut -d ":" -f 1 | sort | while read username; do id $username; done |
| 14:51.34 | czr | Anthro, you can check and read how aliasing works in modutils |
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| 14:51.44 | czr | and check when eth0 is first needed by anyone |
| 14:51.49 | Anthro | marstewel: Yes, that's more like it. Except: cut -d: -f1 | xargs id |
| 14:51.54 | Anthro | Whoops |
| 14:51.55 | lunitik | dorto: obviously... if you're downloading 2 DVD's, you're on broadband... netinstalls are more intelligent imo |
| 14:52.02 | amorphix | aliases are great |
| 14:52.04 | dorto | lunitik: i do the same thing...but not from the internet but the local server where the dvd images are mounted. with a faster/reliable internet connection i would have preferred your way. |
| 14:52.04 | Anthro | marstewel: cut -d: -f1 /etc/passwd | xargs id |
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| 14:52.16 | Anthro | marstewel: Er, xargs -l1 |
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| 14:52.24 | dorto | lunitik: i get the dvd images downloaded by my friend |
| 14:52.28 | marstewel | xargs is nice... |
| 14:52.36 | dvs | marstewel: yup |
| 14:52.37 | Buz__ | someone with unstable and gnome can check if /usr/libexec/gconfd-2 exists? |
| 14:52.40 | czr | [ is nice |
| 14:52.43 | Anthro | marstewel: Yes, it is your friend and mine. |
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| 14:52.57 | valdyn_ | Buz__: you can do that yourself |
| 14:53.01 | marstewel | but I have not used it yet often enough unfortunately |
| 14:53.02 | marstewel | ;) |
| 14:53.04 | dorto | lunitik: i install on 3-4 systems from the same iso images |
| 14:53.09 | lunitik | Buz__: /usr/libexec doesn't even exist here... |
| 14:53.10 | Anthro | czr: [ is a nasty hack. Real men use test. Smart men use /usr/bin/test |
| 14:53.12 | marstewel | time to get some practice with it... |
| 14:53.21 | valdyn_ | Buz__: /msg dpkg find usr/libexec/gconfd-2 sid |
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| 14:53.41 | amorphix | phew |
| 14:53.44 | Buz__ | lunitik, i did apt-file search gconfd-2 |
| 14:53.50 | czr | Anthro, lucky for you I'm not smart |
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| 14:53.55 | Anthro | marstewel: Learn to use it with find instead of -exec. You will be happier for it. |
| 14:54.12 | marstewel | I used it with find a couple of times... |
| 14:54.14 | marstewel | nice team |
| 14:54.45 | Anthro | Excuse me, a trojan [ script. |
| 14:54.48 | lunitik | Buz__: here... thats: /usr/lib/gconf2/gconfd-2 |
| 14:55.02 | marstewel | hmm, how many params does bash assign like $1, $2 ...? 99? |
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| 14:55.05 | czr | Anthro, oh please do |
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| 14:55.20 | phogg | marstewel: 9, AFAIK |
| 14:55.23 | czr | it's been a while since I've been in contact with the criminal police |
| 14:55.36 | Anthro | czr: Sorry, I don't do requests :-) |
| 14:55.38 | marstewel | aehm I meant with ${1} |
| 14:55.43 | Buz__ | lunitik, yes, but whenn i run some gnome app it crashes and says it can't find gconfd-2 :( |
| 14:55.45 | czr | that wasn't a request |
| 14:55.59 | Anthro | marstewel: Bah. Use shift. |
| 14:56.17 | lunitik | Buz__: a GNOME app from the archive? or 3rd party? |
| 14:56.20 | marstewel | Anthro: it's a question I read somewhere ... |
| 14:56.27 | lunitik | Buz__: make a symlink? |
| 14:56.33 | Buz__ | lunitik from the archive |
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| 14:56.43 | marstewel | AFAIK it's 99 |
| 14:56.49 | Buz__ | lunitik i did, but doesnt work and it's too ugly |
| 14:56.50 | marstewel | but I am not 100% sure :D |
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| 14:56.57 | phogg | marstewel: to access more than 9 use $@ and $* |
| 14:56.58 | john_doe | Anthro: it works when I call a seperate script with the command. Thanx! |
| 14:57.01 | lunitik | Buz__: why's it ugly? |
| 14:57.09 | lunitik | Buz__: beats the hell outta wasting space... |
| 14:57.11 | Anthro | john_doe: Excellent. And you used pre-up or post-up? |
| 14:57.18 | Buz__ | lunitik seems like a bad hack |
| 14:57.19 | marstewel | phogg: AFAIK you can access up to the 99 with ${99} |
| 14:57.33 | eguzkia | hello |
| 14:57.45 | eguzkia | someone can help me? |
| 14:57.46 | phogg | marstewel: news to me. Thanks. |
| 14:57.50 | valdyn_ | Buz__: i dont think gnome applications depends on gconfd-2 running |
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| 14:58.09 | teh_pwnerer | argh fuck |
| 14:58.10 | valdyn_ | Buz__: so if its not found, thats no reason for any app not to run |
| 14:58.10 | Anthro | !tell eguzkia about ask |
| 14:58.10 | teh_pwnerer | lol |
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| 14:58.14 | marstewel | phogg: try it... |
| 14:58.23 | lunitik | Buz__: I guess you'll be sad to know that Debian swaps out kernels via symlink fun? |
| 14:58.25 | eguzkia | i have notice a that in the GRUB i have this line: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-2-686! |
| 14:58.31 | john_doe | Anthro: post-up. actually because I don't believe that pre-up would do it. And because I don't want the initializing of the network to fail if this ethtool command fails... |
| 14:58.33 | lunitik | Buz__: ls -l /vmlinuz |
| 14:58.44 | phogg | marstewel: 100 works for me |
| 14:58.47 | Anthro | john_doe: Okay, good deal. Glad it worked. |
| 14:58.55 | marstewel | hmm |
| 14:58.57 | Buz__ | lunitik i didnt say it's always bad |
| 14:59.07 | Buz__ | lunitik i use symlinks extensively |
| 14:59.10 | lunitik | Buz__: its never bad |
| 14:59.11 | marstewel | maybe it was some limit in older bash releases... |
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| 14:59.19 | bayab00m | hola |
| 14:59.23 | marstewel | !es |
| 14:59.23 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 14:59.32 | DJ-Marcuzz | how can i set the premission that every user can edit and delete files in an folder? |
| 14:59.32 | lunitik | Buz__: enless you start symlinking symlinks... but not too many people try that... I don't even know if it'd work :o |
| 14:59.40 | Buz__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:59.48 | eguzkia | the problem is that when i install and compile a new kernel who create that file? |
| 14:59.48 | Buz__ | Failed to execute child process "/usr/libexec/gconfd-2 |
| 14:59.52 | john_doe | Anthro: :-) |
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| 14:59.59 | marstewel | DJ-Marcuzz: are you sure you would not like to read some general linux primer? |
| 15:00.01 | Anthro | DJ-Marcuzz: chmod 1777 |
| 15:00.02 | valdyn_ | Buz__: that isnt from a debian package |
| 15:00.02 | DJ-Marcuzz | i want that everyone can make, delete and edit files in the folder /FTP/ |
| 15:00.03 | lunitik | Buz__: what application is reporting that? |
| 15:00.09 | Buz__ | gnome-terminal |
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| 15:00.17 | Buz__ | dia |
| 15:00.18 | Buz__ | ... |
| 15:00.19 | Anthro | DJ-Marcuzz: or possibly 4777. I forget. Check the permissions on /tmp |
| 15:00.20 | DJ-Marcuzz | thx |
| 15:00.22 | phogg | marstewel: seems to just keep going... probably goes to/exceeds the number of params possible for a single bash command line |
| 15:00.28 | Buz__ | every gnome app that uses gconfd |
| 15:00.30 | marstewel | Anthro: 1 is sticky bit |
| 15:00.45 | lunitik | Buz__: that doesn't exist here... but gnome-terminal works fine... as do most apps |
| 15:00.49 | DJ-Marcuzz | and how do i check the permissions on a folder? |
| 15:00.49 | eguzkia | Anthro: what is this file in the GRUB :/boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-2-686? |
| 15:00.51 | Anthro | marstewel: Ah, good. I'm always a little fuzzy on which the MSB is. |
| 15:00.51 | DJ-Marcuzz | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:00.56 | lunitik | Buz__: you sure you're using Debian packages? |
| 15:01.03 | Anthro | !initrd |
| 15:01.03 | dpkg | [initrd] initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
| 15:01.07 | Buz__ | lunitik, it was working before here too |
| 15:01.21 | Buz__ | lunitik, yes, debian packages, of course |
| 15:01.33 | valdyn_ | Buz__: your libgnome is not from debian ( or whatever lib links to gconf ) |
| 15:01.41 | eguzkia | Anthro: yes but why when i try to install and compile a new kernel i haven't that file? |
| 15:01.50 | marstewel | Anthro: easy to remember: su sg sticky ==> r w x |
| 15:01.58 | lunitik | valdyn_: GNOME maintainer? |
| 15:02.02 | Buz__ | valdyn_ everything here is installed from debian packages until now |
| 15:02.04 | valdyn_ | lunitik: no |
| 15:02.09 | eguzkia | Anthro: how can i do to make that file on every installation of a new kwernel? |
| 15:02.15 | Anthro | eguzkia: Why are you compiling a kernel? Do you have a good reason to do so? Almost everyone's needs are served by the stock Debian kernel images. |
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| 15:02.26 | lunitik | Buz__: you recently install something related? |
| 15:02.37 | lunitik | (around the time it broke) |
| 15:02.48 | SirMacius | G'day all |
| 15:02.48 | eguzkia | Anthro: i don't know how use it! |
| 15:02.50 | valdyn_ | Buz__: debians gconfd-2 is in /usr/lib/libgconf2-4/ |
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| 15:03.05 | Buz__ | i suspect from desktop-profiles |
| 15:03.06 | Anthro | eguzkia: You don't know how to use what? |
| 15:03.13 | eguzkia | Anthro: kernel-image |
| 15:03.17 | Buz__ | i ran "path2listing" |
| 15:03.27 | Anthro | !wayttd eguzkia |
| 15:03.28 | SirMacius | short question, debian installed fine, running fine as well. it's just that everytime I log in, no matter if user or root account, the system wants me to enter a new pass |
| 15:03.28 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, eguzkia? |
| 15:03.29 | marstewel | eguzkia: are you using make-kpkg ? |
| 15:03.36 | DJ-Marcuzz | worked, THX |
| 15:03.45 | SirMacius | I think passwd -e is set somewhere but I don't know where, or is it something else ? |
| 15:03.49 | eguzkia | marstewel:no |
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| 15:04.13 | eguzkia | please help to understand! |
| 15:04.14 | Buz__ | $ locate gconfd-2 |
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| 15:04.16 | linage | have any software to check a lan pc arp addr? |
| 15:04.22 | Buz__ | usr/lib/libgconf2-4/gconfd-2 |
| 15:04.38 | [^_^]KaBo | login as: admin |
| 15:04.38 | [^_^]KaBo | This is null.sevatech.com |
| 15:04.38 | [^_^]KaBo | Questions? Find me, seva on irc.freenode.net or sevaquark on AIM. |
| 15:04.38 | [^_^]KaBo | admin@66.90.103.12's password: |
| 15:04.38 | [^_^]KaBo | Last login: Sun Nov 13 05:59:23 2005 from 211.20.54.196 |
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| 15:04.50 | eguzkia | someone here say that there are no reason to recompile kernel! |
| 15:05.00 | DJ-Marcuzz | and now, how can i lets say only the users of a group, or just 1 singel user read and write the folder? and the rest cant see the folder? |
| 15:05.01 | eguzkia | why? |
| 15:05.16 | lunitik | eguzkia: there isn't... enless you are low and ram etc.... |
| 15:05.18 | marstewel | linage: you want to send a test package based upon layer 2 addressing (MAC) rather than layer 3 addressing (IP) ? |
| 15:05.20 | SirMacius | eguzkia: only if you have a need to optimize and got time to spare :) |
| 15:05.47 | linage | en... |
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| 15:06.22 | eguzkia | luntik: but if i want use a new kwernel i need to compile for the first time? |
| 15:06.31 | eguzkia | lunitik: but if i want use a new kwernel i need to compile for the first time? |
| 15:06.41 | marstewel | eguzkia: www.kernelnewbies.org |
| 15:06.59 | lunitik | eguzkia: if you HAVE to be cutting edge... if you can be patient... it'll be in the archive a few days later usually... |
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| 15:07.11 | lunitik | more like a week later... but yeah |
| 15:07.26 | marstewel | eguzkia: I suggest you use kernel-package... |
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| 15:07.47 | linage | night,all~ :) |
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| 15:07.52 | lunitik | eguzkia: 'apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686' and 'apt-get dist-upgrades' will even install them without you having to think about it :) |
| 15:07.59 | eguzkia | the problem is that i have i wireless card to configure in my notebook |
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| 15:08.17 | phogg | DJ-Marcuzz: set world (other) permissions to 0, set group or user to 6 |
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| 15:08.27 | lunitik | eguzkia: still needn't recompile whole thing... just get the headers etc... and configure as usual |
| 15:09.00 | lunitik | eguzkia: although that seems like a pain in the ass... if a kernel works for you, and you have odd hardware... I wouldn't be installing new ones at all |
| 15:09.04 | DJ-Marcuzz | and how do i do that, im trying to learn, im newbe, and trying to set up an bit complicated proftpd server :P |
| 15:09.04 | valdyn_ | Buz__: i tried again, gnome-terminal will run with or without gconfd-2 |
| 15:09.16 | marstewel | lunitik: I dont agree |
| 15:09.25 | lunitik | marstewel: awesome |
| 15:09.28 | Buz__ | umm, sorry, this morning i was messing with ld.so.conf and such and that broke something, i wan ldconfig and it's running ok now |
| 15:09.39 | lunitik | marstewel: with what exactly? |
| 15:09.41 | phogg | DJ-Marcuzz: chmod |
| 15:09.49 | Buz__ | s/i wan/i ran/ |
| 15:09.49 | DJ-Marcuzz | and after that |
| 15:09.50 | marstewel | lunitik: "if a kernel works for you, and you have odd hardware... I wouldn't be installing new ones at all" |
| 15:09.59 | phogg | DJ-Marcuzz: man chmod |
| 15:10.01 | lunitik | marstewel: why would you? |
| 15:10.14 | DJ-Marcuzz | owke, maybe i should buy an book with those commands |
| 15:10.15 | Buz__ | thanks for the help |
| 15:10.28 | phogg | DJ-Marcuzz: the chmod man page is somewhat terse, as I recall. If you really want to learn info chmod. Have fun |
| 15:10.29 | marstewel | lunitik: from a security point of view this is like sticking with packages which are known to be exploitable |
| 15:10.43 | phogg | DJ-Marcuzz: why buy a book when your system comes with a perfectly good manual? |
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| 15:10.52 | eguzkia | but i just only want to know what is /boot/initrd.img-2..... |
| 15:10.53 | marstewel | lunitik: you *SHOULD* keep your working .config in a safe place |
| 15:10.56 | DJ-Marcuzz | book is easyer |
| 15:11.04 | phogg | DJ-Marcuzz: why? how? |
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| 15:11.25 | eguzkia | i try the 2.6.14 |
| 15:11.30 | lunitik | marstewel: its needless for 99% of users |
| 15:11.35 | lunitik | marstewel: for a server, maybe |
| 15:11.42 | marstewel | lunitik: security is not needless :D |
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| 15:11.50 | lunitik | marstewel: for an internet-facing box... maybe... |
| 15:12.05 | lunitik | marstewel: for average joe's desktop? |
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| 15:12.15 | marstewel | lunitik: also there are enhancements in later versions |
| 15:12.16 | phogg | DJ-Marcuzz: you want to know how to use chmod. The man tells you exactly that. You asked me to tell you but I'd rather you read the man page than get it second hand from me. If you read a book they wont do more than repeat second hand information from the manual, possibly with some anecdotes or gotchas noted. |
| 15:12.26 | lunitik | marstewel: you need a new hobby if you're trying to crack personal computers |
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| 15:12.48 | lunitik | marstewel: if everything is working fine... you don't need the enhancements.... |
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| 15:12.58 | marstewel | lunitik: heh |
| 15:13.22 | lunitik | marstewel: as strange as it may seem... average joe could care less about Xen etc ;) |
| 15:13.23 | marstewel | lunitik: so why upgrade anything at all? stay with 2.2 :P |
| 15:13.23 | DJ-Marcuzz | but its all so confusing :S |
| 15:13.38 | lunitik | marstewel: I did actually... until 2.6 was released |
| 15:13.52 | marstewel | DJ-Marcuzz: get some general linux primer and READ it |
| 15:13.54 | phogg | DJ-Marcuzz: I'll grant that they could do with some examples. What do you find confusing? |
| 15:14.12 | marstewel | heh |
| 15:14.16 | lunitik | marstewel: I upgrade other things... but 2.4 brought very little of interest... and I was working on a long uptime... (ended up over a year) |
| 15:14.18 | valdyn_ | DJ-Marcuzz: man <something | lpr ( there is the 'book' ), if you have a printer setup |
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| 15:14.25 | valdyn_ | DJ-Marcuzz: man <something> | lpr ( there is the 'book' ), if you have a printer setup |
| 15:14.28 | DJ-Marcuzz | thenumbers, how do i know what number an group has |
| 15:14.30 | antgel | DJ-Marcuzz: it's confusing because you haven't read enough man pages |
| 15:14.41 | marstewel | very little of interest? |
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| 15:15.00 | marstewel | lunitik: iptables ... etc |
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| 15:15.15 | lunitik | marstewel: iptables showed up around 2.2.16 or so |
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| 15:15.31 | incorrect | does anyone know of a site that hard the hardware requirements for running different dedicated game servers |
| 15:15.44 | eguzkia | why my notebook fan doesen't work with 2.6.8 kernel? |
| 15:15.48 | marstewel | lunitik: in official kernel releases ? |
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| 15:15.58 | lunitik | marstewel: pretty sure yes... |
| 15:16.08 | valdyn_ | eguzkia: i would give that notebook back |
| 15:16.09 | marstewel | netfilter.org says different |
| 15:16.10 | lunitik | marstewel: iptables isn't what you mean anyways... netfilter... |
| 15:16.25 | marstewel | lunitik: you probably mean ipchains |
| 15:16.33 | lunitik | marstewel: no |
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| 15:16.47 | marstewel | lunitik: "Software inside this framework enables packet filtering, network address [and port] translation (NA[P]T) and other packet mangling. It is the re-designed and heavily improved successor of the previous Linux 2.2.x ipchains and Linux 2.0.x ipfwadm systems. " (netfilter.org) |
| 15:16.55 | valdyn_ | eguzkia: maybe however, your notebook just isnt getting hot enough for the fan to turn on |
| 15:17.11 | lunitik | marstewel: to this day, I don't really use netfilter... so yeah... not a reason to upgrade... |
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| 15:17.18 | lunitik | marstewel: anything else of interest? |
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| 15:17.36 | marstewel | lunitik: I never used 2.2 so I dont have a *true* comparison ;) |
| 15:17.44 | eguzkia | valdyn_:this is 100% debian compatible notebook ! |
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| 15:17.58 | lunitik | marstewel: 2.2 was very stable... lots of people complained about 2.4 |
| 15:18.05 | valdyn_ | eguzkia: then it isnt getting hot enough, debian doesnt do anything to your fan |
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| 15:18.17 | eguzkia | valdyn_:Debian on a HP Compaq NX6110 |
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| 15:18.24 | marstewel | lunitik: actually, I did not have ANY problem with stability in 2.4.x |
| 15:18.26 | phogg | DJ-Marcuzz: Do this: info chmod. Move your curser to where it says "For details see the secion on file permissions". Place your cursor over the words "file permissions" and hit Enter. Move your cursor to where it says "Numeric Modes" and hit enter. Read. Learn. Be happy. |
| 15:18.38 | marstewel | lunitik: and I have set up quite some machines with it... |
| 15:18.55 | marstewel | lunitik: 100+ |
| 15:18.56 | DJ-Marcuzz | owke |
| 15:19.08 | eguzkia | valdyn_:i'd like tuning my kernel for my notebook |
| 15:19.13 | Make_install | i´m having some problem to install debian in a IBM xseries 226, because a error when debian try to load the module ips (ibm serveraid controler) |
| 15:19.28 | eguzkia | valdyn_: but someone here say that's not necessary recompile kernel |
| 15:19.39 | Firestarter2 | what would cause the kernel bootup to say /lib/modules/2.6.8/modules.dep don't exist even though it is there. |
| 15:19.42 | resiak | Make_install: Did you try booting with a 2.6 kernel? |
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| 15:19.58 | marstewel | Firestarter2: depmod creates this file... |
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| 15:20.07 | TheJumbo | does mplayer run on Amd64? |
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| 15:20.33 | Make_install | resiak yes! if i try to load 2.4 kernel, has an error to load the aic79xx module too (adaptec serveraid) |
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| 15:20.40 | marstewel | anyways, AFK |
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| 15:20.57 | Firestarter2 | marstewel, should I run depmod |
| 15:21.00 | valdyn_ | eguzkia: just install the kernel-image for your cpu, thats all. |
| 15:21.11 | resiak | Make_install: You might be one of the unlucky people who needs a newer kernel than Sarge has. I don't know what to suggest… You may be able to get some help in #debian-boot (IIRC). |
| 15:21.15 | marstewel | Firestarter2: should be run automatically |
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| 15:21.18 | Make_install | with slackware i can install, the controler and HDs are detected |
| 15:21.25 | Make_install | ok! thanks! |
| 15:21.31 | elvirolo | hi all |
| 15:21.44 | elvirolo | are the kde 3.5 RC1 packages availible yet ? |
| 15:22.07 | antgel | elvirolo: are you running unstable? |
| 15:22.08 | Firestarter2 | marstewel, would it hurt to run it? |
| 15:22.27 | eguzkia | valdyn_: please tell me more about kernel-image |
| 15:22.28 | lunitik | elvirolo: apparently... only binaries currently are for Kubuntu and SUSE |
| 15:22.38 | elvirolo | antgel: yes |
| 15:22.39 | lunitik | elvirolo: the Kubuntu ones would likely work |
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| 15:22.48 | valdyn_ | eguzkia: 'apt-cache search kernel-image' |
| 15:22.58 | elvirolo | lunitik: won't it break my system though? |
| 15:22.58 | antgel | elvirolo: then don't you think you should know how to find the answer? |
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| 15:23.15 | lunitik | valdyn_: they are 'linux-image' now on account of debian becoming kernel agnostic |
| 15:23.16 | eguzkia | valdyn_: and after? |
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| 15:23.35 | valdyn_ | lunitik: i hope for his ssake he's using sarge |
| 15:23.37 | SirMacius | any idear why my debian install wants a new password all the time ? |
| 15:23.41 | lunitik | elvirolo: probably... but then you're trying to use RC packages... so you should be prepared for breakage anyways |
| 15:24.04 | elvirolo | antgel: maybe i should ... i'll compile it if there aren't any packages anyway |
| 15:24.19 | valdyn_ | eguzkia: pick one, run 'apt-cache show foo' for infos, run 'apt-get install foo' to install |
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| 15:27.26 | antgel | elvirolo: there is no maybe about it. if you're using unstable, you need to understand these things. |
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| 15:28.32 | refnumzx | i keep getting |
| 15:28.35 | refnumzx | r8169: eth1: Reset RTL8169s PHY |
| 15:28.45 | refnumzx | in my dmesg, a way to fix this? |
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| 15:29.37 | cuti | anyone know how do i auto reload the file when it it change? i use scite editor |
| 15:29.40 | elvirolo | antgel: well ... how do i find out then ? |
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| 15:35.25 | bayab00m | how can i make firefox use smaller fonts, not in the html page but in the menus? |
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| 15:35.54 | cuti | bayab00m, Edit -> Preferences |
| 15:36.07 | cuti | oh wait |
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| 15:36.09 | cuti | menu font |
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| 15:36.28 | cuti | you need to edit your .gtkrc-2.0 |
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| 15:36.34 | bayab00m | cuti, this is for the html page, i first had the same thought :) |
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| 15:36.48 | valdyn_ | bayab00m: are you using gnome? |
| 15:36.49 | migiel | is it possible to send an email every time a user logins in? |
| 15:36.49 | bayab00m | cuti, i did that already but it didn't work |
| 15:36.56 | bayab00m | valdyn_, no enlightenment |
| 15:37.05 | refnumzx | this goes on endlessly in my dmesg a way to fix? r8169: eth1: Reset RTL8169s PHY |
| 15:37.27 | valdyn_ | bayab00m: add to ~/.gtrc-2.0 : gtk-font-name="Bitstream Vera Sans 8" |
| 15:37.33 | valdyn_ | bayab00m: add to ~/.gtk]rc-2.0 : gtk-font-name="Bitstream Vera Sans 8" |
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| 15:37.42 | valdyn_ | oh these fat fingers |
| 15:37.49 | bayab00m | i have this entry in my .gtkrc-2.0 : style "user-font" |
| 15:37.49 | bayab00m | { |
| 15:37.49 | bayab00m | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:37.49 | bayab00m | } |
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| 15:37.58 | bayab00m | sorry |
| 15:38.12 | zimnyx | i need module cx88 to be always started with specific parameters. i created file /etc/modutils/cx88 containing line "options cx88 card=11 tuner=5", and run update-modules. (this file content wat copied to /etc/modules.conf). When i modprobe cx88 it isn't started with those options. why? |
| 15:38.12 | valdyn_ | bayab00m: yea i guess that, but that is of no use for firefox |
| 15:38.42 | bayab00m | valdyn_, ok i'll try what you wrote |
| 15:39.43 | zimnyx | oh i need .chandev! |
| 15:39.51 | zimnyx | nevermind. |
| 15:40.29 | bayab00m | valdyn_, hey thank you very much, it worked :) very nice |
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| 15:41.40 | ^Rock | can any1 help me |
| 15:41.55 | blondie | with your spelling? |
| 15:41.55 | Tortel | nope |
| 15:41.59 | ^Rock | lol |
| 15:42.15 | ^Rock | no debian iso for amd64 |
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| 15:42.26 | ^Rock | cannot find 1 |
| 15:42.40 | Tortel | there is |
| 15:42.42 | valdyn_ | !amd64 |
| 15:42.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 15:42.45 | ^Rock | and its annoying me big style, like i am probably annoying u guys right now! sorry about that |
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| 15:44.45 | phanter | i need some help with my wireless card. I did a modprobe ipw2200, but after each reboot the module is iunloaded again |
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| 15:45.17 | ^Rock | brb!!! |
| 15:45.23 | ^Rock | don't go anywhere peeps |
| 15:45.28 | pureone | i normaly make a /etc/init.d/misc script for things like this |
| 15:45.53 | pureone | s/this/that |
| 15:46.40 | cuti | anyone know an editor that auto reload the file when it makes change? |
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| 15:48.54 | DJ-Marcuzz | euhm, how do i add user webadmin to group webadmins? |
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| 15:50.23 | nksen | anyone recently installed squirrelmail on debian sarge? |
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| 15:51.40 | Ronin | works like a charm nksen |
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| 15:52.52 | phogg | dude. aptitude kicks ass |
| 15:52.55 | nksen | Ronin: hm. apt-get install squirrelmail. and where do I then find squirrelmail, e.g. access it? foo.com/squirrelmail fails. it's located in /usr/share/squirrelmail, but no alias is set in apache conf |
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| 15:54.59 | nksen | so may I set it by hand? if I do so, I get no permission to access |
| 15:55.03 | nksen | any suggestions Ronin ? |
| 15:55.27 | enveezee | squirrelmail, webmail for nuts |
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| 15:55.33 | DJ-Marcuzz | euhm, how do i add user webadmin to group webadmins? |
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| 15:56.04 | Phated | adduser webadmin webadmins |
| 15:56.29 | WE_R_ONE | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1095 <--- issues with make-kpkg kernel-image |
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| 15:58.34 | hebfftijd | does debian has gkrellm-themes |
| 15:58.36 | DJ-Marcuzz | ok, and the last one: the groep webadmins should have read/write acces to the foler /websites/, howto do that, then im going to wuite for today |
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| 16:01.14 | ^Rock | #debian-amd64 |
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| 16:03.46 | adii | hello : i can't have my usb devices working .. (using etch) |
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| 16:06.51 | martianlobster | I am trying to find a good online fax service. I hate efax, they want me to download a win32 exe to view faxes. Could someone recommend another online fax service? |
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| 16:07.10 | pitchin_uk | l3m : afternoon |
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| 16:07.44 | Anthro | !info pdisk |
| 16:07.48 | l3m | pitchin_uk: hi |
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| 16:07.52 | parsonsd | dj-marcuzz -- can't you just use `ls -l` in the dir /webdir/.. to see if the group has rw access to /webdir/ ? |
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| 16:08.31 | ivanfrey | asg: are you here? thanks for your help the other day. My system now boots ok. |
| 16:08.37 | pitchin_uk | l3m: just about to install sarge on my live system |
| 16:09.20 | Anthro | What package is pdisk in? I can't find it. |
| 16:10.35 | l3m | pitchin_uk: again? |
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| 16:10.37 | wang | wow |
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| 16:10.58 | wang | i haven't slept for days =( |
| 16:10.58 | pitchin_uk | l3m : no they other day was on my test system - to see if i liked debian |
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| 16:11.11 | l3m | pitchin_uk: ah .. great ;) |
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| 16:11.18 | ivanfrey | How do I reconfigure X in Sid? the bot suggests dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but I have xorg. |
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| 16:11.31 | gravity | ivanfrey: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 16:11.31 | l3m | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 16:11.35 | wang | rofl |
| 16:11.40 | wang | holy crip it's a crapple! |
| 16:11.45 | gravity | Which, I'll note, the bot also says |
| 16:11.51 | cmdKeen | is ther some remote control utility in testing repository |
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| 16:12.07 | gravity | cmdKeen: remote control? Like for televisions? |
| 16:12.16 | wang | if there were i'd lose it in the couch |
| 16:12.20 | wang | for like months |
| 16:12.22 | ivanfrey | l3m: Doh! I feel like Homer. |
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| 16:12.33 | pitchin_uk | l3m: i think i noticed why i had so much problems the other day - when it came to selecting what i wanted to install, i highlighted desktop environment but didn't select it. |
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| 16:12.49 | pitchin_uk | so i onyl install core programs |
| 16:13.06 | l3m | pitchin_uk: oh |
| 16:13.07 | l3m | yeah |
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| 16:13.49 | cmdKeen | gravity, yep. you connect IR diode to COM and you need something to catch signals from it... |
| 16:13.58 | gravity | cmdKeen: Try lirc I think |
| 16:14.09 | gravity | cmdKeen: I have no experience with it myself though, but I know it exists :-) |
| 16:14.10 | pitchin_uk | l3m: i feel like ivanfrey |
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| 16:15.00 | pitchin_uk | is there way i can netinstall and not install gnome |
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| 16:15.10 | gravity | pitchin_uk: Sure |
| 16:15.21 | l3m | pitchin_uk: sure |
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| 16:15.31 | cmdKeen | gravity, thanks |
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| 16:15.33 | bayab00m | hola |
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| 16:15.37 | l3m | pitchin_uk: netinstall is the base system |
| 16:15.39 | gravity | cmdKeen: No problem. Good luck. |
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| 16:15.47 | bayab00m | how can i determine the max wrinting speed of my cd burner device? |
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| 16:16.24 | pitchin_uk | do i have to do a manual package selection |
| 16:16.45 | adii | i can't have my usb devices working .. (using etch) |
| 16:16.57 | Xenguy | Can anyone confirm whether 'aterm' is a bit leaner than alternatives (xterm, rxvt, etc.)? It seems like it is a bit lighter on memory when I compare through 'top'. |
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| 16:17.18 | l3m | pitchin_uk: i would just install the base system and afterwards get everything you need using apt-get |
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| 16:17.48 | pitchin_uk | l3m: you going to be in for a while then?? ;) |
| 16:17.50 | stew | gravity: do you know any reason that xdm would have recently stopped running my .xsession? |
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| 16:18.11 | gravity | stew: Nope... not that I can think of |
| 16:18.17 | gravity | I haven't touched xdm at all |
| 16:18.25 | gravity | stew: What version? |
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| 16:18.50 | stew | gravity: 6.8.2.dfsg.1-7 on one machine and -10 on the other |
| 16:18.54 | gravity | hrm |
| 16:19.07 | l3m | pitchin_uk: hehe well at least an hour or two |
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| 16:19.31 | pitchin_uk | l3m: cool |
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| 16:19.37 | gravity | It's funny, I was just forward porting the patch to let xdm use xsession correctly |
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| 16:19.55 | gravity | stew: Could you try it with another *dm so we could narrow it down specifically to xdm? |
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| 16:20.33 | WE_R_ONE | Does anyone know how to solve these errors? |
| 16:20.36 | WE_R_ONE | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1095 |
| 16:20.43 | stew | gravity: sounds like a good idea |
| 16:20.48 | pitchin_uk | l3m: im going to make notes this time!! save having to bug people in here all the time |
| 16:20.56 | Trewas | Xenguy: it probably is quite a bit lighter as it does not use fontconfig etc unlike most of the other terminals |
| 16:21.20 | l3m | ;) |
| 16:22.10 | marstewel | WE_R_ONE: which kernel are you trying to compile ? |
| 16:22.14 | qwertz | Hi, I've got a ftp with anon access, now I'd like to give (system) users a own directory were each anon user can drop files but only the system user can delete it again - I'd need something like the SGID for the user any thoughts how to do this? |
| 16:22.27 | pitchin_uk | l3m: right the base products are there!! - just booting into the intial setup. So it begins |
| 16:22.32 | cheal | WE_R_ONE: and with which gcc |
| 16:22.46 | marstewel | qwertz: it is *NOT* a good idea to give system users access via FTP |
| 16:23.06 | marstewel | qwertz: ftp uses *plaintext* authentication |
| 16:23.22 | WE_R_ONE | I am using 3.4 kernel 2.4.27 |
| 16:23.30 | WE_R_ONE | Gcc 3.4 |
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| 16:24.02 | l3m | pitchin_uk: gogogo ;) |
| 16:24.02 | marstewel | qwertz: n/m I misread your question |
| 16:24.18 | marstewel | time for a break... |
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| 16:25.24 | adii | i can't have my usb devices working .. (using etch) anyone could give me a hand? |
| 16:25.34 | Xenguy | Trewas: ahh |
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| 16:26.19 | pitchin_uk | l3m: ive gone for the base products (as suggested) goodbye gnome!! |
| 16:26.27 | Tortel | nooo! |
| 16:26.31 | Tortel | keep gnome! |
| 16:26.33 | WE_R_ONE | I read you need Gcc 2.95.3 |
| 16:26.37 | gravity | cmdKeen: It's just a short way of typing those terms. You could use a space I suppose. |
| 16:26.51 | WE_R_ONE | how do I get my kernel to compile with GCC 2.95.3 ? |
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| 16:27.15 | pitchin_uk | sorry im just not a gnome fan |
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| 16:28.08 | enveezee | adii: are you going to keep repeating that useless information or ask a question? |
| 16:28.52 | cmdKeen | gravity, NA, N.A., N A... but N/A ? / = OR. Not OR Aviable ? bah. N/M:] |
| 16:28.53 | thingfish | WE_R_ONE: what are you trying to do? Compile a kernel? If so, why? |
| 16:29.05 | gravity | hehe |
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| 16:29.41 | bakon | what kernel does debian 3.1 use? |
| 16:29.54 | l3m | 2.6.8 by default |
| 16:29.57 | thingfish | 2.6.8 |
| 16:29.57 | gravity | 2.4.something or 2.6.8 |
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| 16:30.08 | bakon | i think i installed 2.4 |
| 16:30.16 | bakon | but i heard things about 2.6 so i wasnt sure |
| 16:30.25 | thingfish | oh yes, there's 2.4 as well. |
| 16:30.25 | gravity | bakon: If 2.4 suits your needs don't worry about it for now |
| 16:30.33 | l3m | bakon: apt-get install module-init-tools kernel-image-2.6.8-2-[686|k7] |
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| 16:30.48 | bakon | im a newb to linux this is my 3rd day with the install heh |
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| 16:31.46 | Tortel | Which is the better kernel (In sarge) 2.6.8, or 2.4.whatever? |
| 16:31.47 | apogee | hello.I need help with Debian 3.1 |
| 16:31.57 | WE_R_ONE | how do I change gcc to use 2.95.4 during the compile? |
| 16:32.06 | WE_R_ONE | instead of having it ast 3.4? |
| 16:32.09 | apogee | is there any SPECIFIC documentation ??? |
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| 16:32.26 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 16:32.28 | bakon | what are you looking for apogee? |
| 16:32.34 | gravity | apogee: To do what exactly? |
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| 16:32.45 | gravity | Tortel: "Better" is relative. It totally depends on what you want. |
| 16:32.47 | cmdKeen | Tortel, hehe, there isn't "better". |
| 16:32.48 | elephantman | I am trying to install my Marvell Lan card on a fresh debian install |
| 16:32.49 | pitchin_uk | l3m: what does the modult-init-tools do?? |
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| 16:33.09 | elephantman | How do i check in kernel modules if the driver exists ? |
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| 16:33.27 | apogee | bakon :problem 1: I have installed Debian Sarge 3.1 on AMD Athlon 64 CPU .I'm not sure if a 64bit kenrel was installed. |
| 16:33.47 | apogee | bakon :I need to to a LAMP server |
| 16:33.57 | l3m | pitchin_uk: you need it to load modules for a 2.6 kernel |
| 16:34.24 | adii | i have a USB device (external hdd), and modules : usbcore, uhci_ehd, ehci_ehd loaded in memory. but when i type "mount -t ext3 /dev/sda1 /mnt/ddext" it returns an error : /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device. i'm not sure "sda1" is the right name. How can i make it recognize and mount my hdd ? |
| 16:34.47 | l3m | adii try # fdisk -l |
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| 16:35.28 | apogee | to gravity : I need to build Apache PHP MySQL ,don't to use APT or Synaptic |
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| 16:35.45 | Tortel | let me rephrase |
| 16:35.53 | Tortel | Which is the more efficient kernel (In sarge) 2.6.8, or 2.4.whatever? |
| 16:35.57 | adii | l3m, it only returns 3 partitions (/dev/hdb1... hdb2... hdb5), that must be my internal hard drive |
| 16:36.00 | mikael2 | I'm buying a new wifi card (internal). Any suggestions on the supported cards -- I would like WPA support too. |
| 16:36.02 | gravity | apogee: You don't want to use apt? |
| 16:36.11 | apogee | to gravity: because I need support for certain modules |
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| 16:36.34 | Hoxzer | has anybody here used klibido? |
| 16:36.41 | franz_ | adii, tail -f /var/log/syslog should give you an idea |
| 16:36.45 | gravity | apogee: That's kinda complicated |
| 16:36.49 | elephantman | How do i load a kernel driver ? |
| 16:36.49 | pitchin_uk | l3m : so if i just type apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 module-init-tools. theat will put me a new kernel on?? |
| 16:36.49 | gravity | apogee: Do-able, but complicated |
| 16:36.55 | elephantman | What is the command ? |
| 16:36.58 | elephantman | modconf ? |
| 16:37.01 | gravity | elephantman: modprobe |
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| 16:37.05 | l3m | adii hmm modprobe usb-storage |
| 16:37.08 | gravity | Or modconf, sure. If you have it installed. |
| 16:37.14 | gravity | modconf used to be very nice |
| 16:37.18 | mikael2 | Are intel cards 802.11abg supported and work with WPA? |
| 16:37.23 | adii | l3m already done it : usb-storage is in memory |
| 16:37.34 | elephantman | gravity: shit my 'light' debian install doesn't have modconf |
| 16:37.49 | elephantman | gravity: well i am trying to make my Marvell Lan card working |
| 16:37.51 | franz_ | mikael2, http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/ |
| 16:37.55 | elephantman | gravity: cause no network for now |
| 16:37.58 | gravity | elephantman: Just install it then |
| 16:38.04 | apogee | to gravity :yes I know it is.I have a book about these (Apache MySQL PHP) which describes the procedures ,BUT ,....something went wrong |
| 16:38.09 | l3m | pitchin_uk: well if you install with "linux26" you have module-init-tools already |
| 16:38.09 | gravity | elephantman: Or use modprobe and explicitly tell it the name of the module |
| 16:38.16 | l3m | pitchin_uk: it's only required when upgrading from 2.4 |
| 16:38.23 | l3m | pitchin_uk: but, yes |
| 16:38.25 | gravity | apogee: Are you sure the default Debian installs of these programs don't support your modules? |
| 16:38.30 | elephantman | gravity: ok but how can i find which module name do i need ? |
| 16:38.35 | gravity | elephantman: Google? |
| 16:38.38 | wang | lysergic acid diethylamide |
| 16:38.59 | elephantman | gravity: ok thanx |
| 16:39.04 | l3m | wang? |
| 16:39.07 | mikael2 | franz_: thanks. there are many cards that are 'supported'. I found out that 'supported' doesn't always mean funcional. Do you have any experience with these? |
| 16:39.09 | apogee | to gravity :I would be REALLY gratefull if I knew that !!...thats the problem I don;t know |
| 16:39.13 | wang | in its purest form |
| 16:39.27 | wang | i feel like the nutty professor |
| 16:39.29 | gravity | apogee: So install them and find out |
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| 16:39.38 | gravity | apogee: I don't have a ton of experience with apache, and 0 with php |
| 16:39.46 | pitchin_uk | l3m: is that the right syntax because it didn't like it |
| 16:39.48 | gravity | apogee: So I can't really tell you offhand. You'll have to just look |
| 16:40.02 | apogee | to gravity :know anyone that knows that ??? |
| 16:40.10 | gravity | apogee: Do you have Debian installed now? |
| 16:40.22 | l3m | pitchin_uk: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 shows you the available kernel images |
| 16:40.29 | pitchin_uk | l3m : missed the install |
| 16:40.38 | l3m | heh |
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| 16:41.07 | gravity | apogee: It's generally a good bet that most standard modules are supported by the default Debian install |
| 16:41.14 | apogee | to gravity:no,but tried a few days ago...system [hardware,Desktop selection only] was succesfully installed. |
| 16:41.16 | gravity | apogee: So if your modules are standard, it's a good bet they'll be there |
| 16:41.39 | gravity | apogee: Alternately, if you know the names of the modules, you can search the packages using packages.debian.org |
| 16:41.54 | gravity | apogee: It can search the contents of each package and find out if your modules were built and are shipped |
| 16:42.05 | pitchin_uk | l3m: is it the module tools that i need for fglrx install |
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| 16:42.49 | l3m | pitchin_uk: you only need to install module-init-tools once. it is required to be able to load kernel modules on 2.6 at all. |
| 16:42.50 | wang | banana patch cable |
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| 16:43.07 | l3m | pitchin_uk: for fglrx you need to install a kernel module |
| 16:43.12 | WE_R_ONE | how do I unzip .gz |
| 16:43.16 | apogee | to to gravity:the module which needed [apxsa for php modules support] is in the package list .But don't I need to re-build the server to use it ??? |
| 16:43.25 | l3m | pitchin_uk: which then, as every other kernel module, can me loaded into the kernel |
| 16:43.28 | AciD | WE_R_ONE > gunzip yournfile.gz |
| 16:43.42 | pitchin_uk | l3m : ok cool, that is done now. guessing i need to install xorg and then kde |
| 16:43.45 | apogee | to gravity :what about the kernel for AMD64 |
| 16:44.18 | l3m | pitchin_uk: yes. |
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| 16:44.54 | apogee | to gravity: when performing installation using AMD does the system recognise the CPU or do I have to use a different installation boot? |
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| 16:45.25 | gravity | apogee: There is an amd64 port of Debian. You can install that. |
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| 16:45.32 | gravity | apogee: Otherwise, you'll get an i386 kernel |
| 16:45.44 | pitchin_uk | l3m: i take it its not as easy as apt-get install xorg?? |
| 16:45.48 | gravity | apogee: As for recompiling the server, no. I don't believe so, but I don't have much experience with these things |
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| 16:46.26 | apogee | to gravity :I have the 2-DVDs 3.1 Sarge.Is it 32 bit only ??? its the official set |
| 16:46.52 | apogee | to gravity :from official distributor. |
| 16:47.08 | gravity | apogee: Yes. 32 bit only. |
| 16:47.12 | gravity | I assume |
| 16:47.19 | gravity | Can't know for sure obviously. |
| 16:47.25 | beleys | Poy |
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| 16:48.01 | l3m | pitchin_uk: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 16:48.02 | pitchin_uk | l3m: or is that the x-window-system-core bit i did the other day?? |
| 16:48.03 | apogee | to gravity :when system is installed how do I check this ??? |
| 16:48.05 | WE_R_ONE | when one kernel source fails |
| 16:48.10 | WE_R_ONE | time to try out another kernel source |
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| 16:48.22 | WE_R_ONE | except I am downloading this one from www.kernel.org |
| 16:48.25 | WE_R_ONE | not with apt-get |
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| 16:48.53 | gravity | apogee: I don't know. I've never run on amd64 |
| 16:49.33 | remedy | what's considered the best TV viewer? |
| 16:49.35 | apogee | to gravity: what about Debian 3.1 SPECIFIC documentations ??? |
| 16:50.03 | apogee | tried Debian.org .....found only older docs |
| 16:50.06 | gravity | apogee: They're built in to the system mostly. There's also a lot of stuff on www.debian.org |
| 16:50.13 | gravity | apogee: Check /usr/share/doc |
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| 16:50.30 | gravity | apogee: When you actually get the system installed. Each package puts its documentation in there under the package's name |
| 16:50.41 | gravity | apogee: There's *tons* in there |
| 16:50.47 | gravity | All specific to the system |
| 16:51.33 | apogee | to gravity :I'try installation again.....expect the man pages is there anywhere else installed ???what about html style docs installed on system ???is it avialable ??? |
| 16:52.01 | gravity | apogee: Right. It's all in /usr/share/doc/ |
| 16:52.11 | gravity | apogee: Many packages have the documentation separated out in to -doc packages |
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| 16:52.30 | gravity | apogee: So you may want to look for those if the package you're interested in doesn't have the docs on your system. They may just be in the -doc package |
| 16:52.32 | midol | i have a question..its a dumb one.. i installed Gaim but have no idea where it is |
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| 16:52.40 | midol | i used apt-get |
| 16:52.42 | apogee | to gravity :Debian is excellent ...but its CRYPTIC and for no reason |
| 16:52.42 | gravity | midol: dpkg -L gaim |
| 16:52.46 | migue | lnlkj |
| 16:52.57 | gravity | apogee: It makes a lot of sense when you learn it. It's actually fairly consistent for UNIX |
| 16:53.15 | aabeli | hi, is it possible to remove screen C+a+: binding? and how i do that |
| 16:53.16 | midol | gravity, thank you |
| 16:53.20 | gravity | midol: No problem |
| 16:54.05 | apogee | to gravity : why isn't Synaptic shortcut on the menu ???? the package was installed I did NOT knew about it...found it here...asking ...WHY ???this is stupid !! |
| 16:54.12 | WE_R_ONE | gravity, does unix have cool little commands like make-kpkg |
| 16:54.19 | pitchin_uk | l3m: if i want to reconfigure xorg is it dpkg-reconfigure x-window-system |
| 16:54.27 | gravity | apogee: Stop this |
| 16:54.39 | gravity | apogee: If you're going to get irritated with me for helping you I'm not going to do it |
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| 16:54.50 | enveezee | aabeli: .screenrc |
| 16:55.00 | gravity | WE_R_ONE: make-kpkg is debian-specific, but yes. Many cool commands are in UNIX |
| 16:55.12 | gravity | apogee: Are you running Ubuntu? |
| 16:55.22 | WE_R_ONE | gravity, me wonders if there is a unix equivalant? |
| 16:55.32 | apogee | to grvity:I am NOT irritated with you.and I'm sorry if I sounded like it.I just don't get why things couldn't be simpler. |
| 16:55.34 | gravity | WE_R_ONE: For that specific app? I have no idea. |
| 16:55.59 | apogee | to gravity:currently its Suse's 9.3 |
| 16:56.06 | Squawk | Hey guys. i have a very low resource system, and need to free up space. By far the biggest space user on my system is /var/cache/apt. Looking at that directory, it appears to be the .deb files for everything installed on my ssystem. Is this correct, and if so, is it safe to remove them? |
| 16:56.16 | gravity | synaptic runs in ubuntu? |
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| 16:56.19 | gravity | er... suse? |
| 16:56.22 | gravity | That doesn't make sense |
| 16:56.23 | apogee | to gravity :64bit version |
| 16:56.38 | gravity | apogee: Anyway, there is a shortcut for synaptic on my menu |
| 16:56.44 | gravity | So I don't know why you don't have one |
| 16:56.53 | stew | gravity: you totally fixed my xdm! |
| 16:56.58 | gravity | stew: I did? |
| 16:56.59 | pitchin_uk | l3m: so far so good!! onto kde install now!! |
| 16:57.01 | apogee | to gravity:I'm trying to get help before format the drive and go for Debian. |
| 16:57.05 | stew | gravity: at least i can't reproduce it anymore :) |
| 16:57.09 | gravity | Heh, awesome |
| 16:57.11 | stew | so ignore me, once again |
| 16:57.17 | TCrow | Squawk: Do 'apt-get clean |
| 16:57.19 | gravity | stew: That's good. I was worried I'd have to do another 6.8 upload :-) |
| 16:57.19 | WE_R_ONE | weird compile error: /src/linux/include/asm/processor.h:72: error: array type has incomplete element type |
| 16:57.35 | enveezee | ffs, the way they built this pc, they might as well have just stood 100ft away and threw the parts in. |
| 16:57.40 | stew | just wierd that it happened on two machines on the same day |
| 16:57.58 | Squawk | TCrow, thanks |
| 16:58.08 | stew | i'll blame udev (since its such a popular scapegoat) |
| 16:58.23 | apogee | to gravity:and when I got Debian ...July,I TRIED to find a book about Debian ...and I did NOT.So I took Suse's Bible with 9.1.downloaded 93. 64bit |
| 16:58.41 | einsteinmg | where to install zsh completion files from a package? |
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| 16:59.10 | apogee | to gravity:I'm disapointed with Linux... |
| 16:59.17 | gravity | apogee: There are two books available on current Debian |
| 16:59.23 | gravity | In English at any rate |
| 16:59.27 | gravity | There's like two in Japanese as well |
| 16:59.37 | loxley_ | apogee: tss... we all myst start somewhere.. linux rules |
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| 16:59.46 | loxley_ | s/myst/must/ |
| 17:00.09 | apogee | yes ,one of them is Debian 3.1 bible.Can't spend another 40 euros to buy.... |
| 17:00.14 | takatumi | apogee: before you buy any books, perhaps look at debian-reference, it's packaged as well. |
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| 17:01.07 | pitchin_uk | whats the syntax for reconfguring xfree86 |
| 17:01.20 | takatumi | !drxx pitchin_uk |
| 17:01.23 | dpkg | pitchin_uk: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 17:01.30 | apogee | to takatumi:WHERE is that ...I installed 3.1 tried to find documentation online.....NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO........ITS HARD to make a FUCKEN link on a menu.... |
| 17:01.42 | takatumi | apogee: fuck off. |
| 17:01.47 | loxley_ | apogee: behave |
| 17:01.47 | gravity | apogee: If you do that again, you'll be +q'ed |
| 17:01.52 | czr | apogee, consider that people use this channel for proper discussion |
| 17:01.52 | gravity | apogee: Got it? |
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| 17:02.00 | gravity | apogee: I've been helping you *very* patiently |
| 17:02.02 | pitchin_uk | cheers |
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| 17:02.29 | apogee | to takatumi...I didn't speak that way to YOU....but you're not very intelligent... |
| 17:02.34 | nathraah | DarkIce: DarkIce.cpp:499: DarkIce not compiled with lame support, thus can't create mp3 stream: icecast2-0 [0] (But, I have LAME installed on my system, any ideas?) |
| 17:02.39 | gravity | That's it |
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| 17:02.44 | gravity | apogee: Cool off |
| 17:02.49 | czr | too late :-) |
| 17:03.13 | midol | you would think people would treat others who help them better seeing as no one in this channel gets paid to answer questions |
| 17:03.23 | czr | the way of the world |
| 17:03.25 | midol | they do it out of kindness for newbs such as myself |
| 17:03.39 | czr | or maybe ppl that help are just masochists |
| 17:03.45 | thingfish | you've been more than patient, gravity. |
| 17:03.48 | gravity | apogee: A lot of people put in a lot of *volunteer* effort to work on Debian for no pay, so you can download it for free. Think about that while you're +q'ed |
| 17:05.06 | czr | apogee, if you find the lack of documentation troubling that much, you might want to redirect all that fervor into writing new documentation |
| 17:05.13 | czr | I'm sure that would be appreciated |
| 17:05.19 | midol | or goto a new distro |
| 17:05.28 | czr | although no one ever appreciates writing documentation |
| 17:06.42 | gravity | That's not true. |
| 17:06.53 | thingfish | czr: do you write documentation? |
| 17:07.03 | czr | I write training material, close enough |
| 17:07.22 | pitchin_uk | has apogee been sin binned |
| 17:07.31 | thingfish | I've thought about trying it, as my composition skills aren't too bad - but I have no idea where to start. |
| 17:07.39 | czr | he used the F-word pitchin_uk :-) |
| 17:07.44 | thingfish | hehe sin binned |
| 17:07.59 | gravity | No, he's just been quieted for a little while so he can cool off |
| 17:08.08 | enveezee | !find bin/badblocks$ |
| 17:08.10 | czr | thingfish, probably by reading existing documentation and thinking about what would you do differently |
| 17:08.22 | pitchin_uk | i totally agree he ws getting very stroppy |
| 17:08.38 | gravity | Hopefully when he can speak again in a few minutes he'll be more calm |
| 17:08.40 | thingfish | ok, czr, good idea. that's kind of how I got the idea to begin with. |
| 17:09.11 | czr | thingfish, that's the best way. also find a mailinglist or someone who can explain you the rationale behind some of the weird decisions that people make. this is the difficult part :-) |
| 17:09.23 | einsteinmg | where to install zsh completion files from a package? |
| 17:09.39 | czr | thingfish, what are you going to write about? |
| 17:09.45 | enveezee | dpkg, badblocks? |
| 17:10.03 | czr | enveezee, e2fsprogs? |
| 17:10.10 | czr | maybe :-) |
| 17:10.18 | enveezee | I dont want to check a filesystem |
| 17:10.24 | pitchin_uk | speaking of documentation - has anyone got any for installing the ati drivers - so i can get some 3d hardware support |
| 17:10.27 | enveezee | I want to check the integrity of a drive |
| 17:10.28 | gravity | thingfish: wiki.debian.org may be a good place to put documentation. It could use some love. |
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| 17:10.49 | gravity | thingfish: Alternately, if it's for a specific package, you may want to send it as a wishlist bug to the package asking for it to be included |
| 17:10.59 | czr | thingfish, wiki might be a gentle entry, gravity is right |
| 17:11.13 | czr | writing proper "manual/book"-like documentation is difficult |
| 17:11.20 | czr | because things change at such a rapid pace |
| 17:11.27 | thingfish | gravity, czr, thanks for the pointers. |
| 17:11.34 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/badblocks' (1): (/sbin/badblocks) in admin/e2fsprogs. |
| 17:11.46 | czr | enveezee, there you are |
| 17:11.58 | Stoiker | Hello anybody, sorry for bothering you, but if anyone is using *OpenOffice.org 2* in Debian and *can insert videos* in OOo presentations, I'd be very thankful for some hints. Have a nice evening! |
| 17:11.59 | takatumi | pitchin_uk: /msg dpkg ati debs |
| 17:12.06 | czr | enveezee, what kind of drive btw? IDE or scsi? |
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| 17:12.47 | czr | smartctl works much better than badblocks if your drives and drivers pass the smart commands |
| 17:13.08 | stew | Stoiker: ask #debian-oo or #openoffice.org |
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| 17:13.56 | apogee | to gravity |
| 17:13.59 | Stoiker | stew: #debian-oo is silent, will try #openoffice.org. But I think it's a Debian specific problem. Thanks! |
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| 17:14.29 | apogee | togravity :takatumi toldme to f...off....I was muted,,,,cool |
| 17:14.29 | psychonate | For ALSA, what sound modules should generally be loaded? |
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| 17:15.02 | enveezee | psychonate: depends entirely on your setup |
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| 17:15.08 | enveezee | psychonate: snd is the alsa subsystem |
| 17:15.10 | gravity | apogee: He said that because you were getting angry. I had already warned you about it. If you want to discuss this more, /msg me. |
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| 17:15.19 | pitchin_uk | l3m: you still in?? |
| 17:15.23 | gravity | apogee: If you want help for Debian though, feel free to keep talking in the chan. |
| 17:15.27 | l3m | sure |
| 17:15.32 | l3m | what's up? |
| 17:15.47 | apogee | okay gravity. |
| 17:16.15 | midol | i have another question. I have been searching the net, but don't seem to be lucky. In winxp i have resolution of 1280x960 32bit yet in linux highest allowed is 800x600 i dont know the exact specs of my monitor just thats its a dell and i have a radeon 9600 64meg video card |
| 17:16.43 | l3m | pitchin_uk: yeah i'm here |
| 17:16.46 | pitchin_uk | l3m: its all going well so far - donw x-window-system, kde, just doing oo but i would like to get the fglrx drivers - any ideas?? |
| 17:16.54 | apogee | to gravity : think about this : there is synaptic installed in Debian but its not available to new user.Is that okay ??? |
| 17:16.59 | psychonate | enveezee, ah, I have no /dev/dsp. Which module provides this? The OSS emulation module? |
| 17:17.02 | l3m | pitchin_uk: do you have 2.6.8 installed now? |
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| 17:17.10 | gravity | apogee: IF it's installed it is available. |
| 17:17.14 | pitchin_uk | l3m: yep |
| 17:17.20 | stew | midol: what version of debian? what driver are you using? |
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| 17:17.26 | l3m | pitchin_uk: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 17:17.37 | midol | stew: 3.1 debian im nor sure of the driver im still a newb |
| 17:17.38 | apogee | to gravity :the point is YOU [=new user] dont know that ! |
| 17:17.49 | midol | looking for a good book to read but dont know which one |
| 17:17.50 | midol | not* |
| 17:17.52 | gravity | apogee: When I was a new user I knew that not everything was in the menu |
| 17:17.55 | l3m | pitchin_uk: it's all written there - also, if you have 2.6.8, there are binary packages for everything, so you won't need to compile the kernel module |
| 17:18.03 | gravity | apogee: When I was a new user I also knew to read a lot about the system |
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| 17:18.12 | stew | midol: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ; choose "radeon" as your driver |
| 17:18.15 | pitchin_uk | l3m: cool |
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| 17:18.34 | apogee | I know that too.The first linux version I used was RedHat Picasso 3.2 on P100.... |
| 17:18.38 | gravity | apogee: Anyway, if you don't like it, please send a patch. The Debian bug system is open and you are free to read it and suggest improvements and send patches. |
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| 17:18.48 | gravity | apogee: We don't hide problems from you |
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| 17:19.10 | TheJumbo | hi, what is the /emul directory on amd64 for? |
| 17:19.12 | Octave_Octet | Hi. Which command should I use to find which package installed a particular binary ? |
| 17:19.18 | apogee | to takatumi: you are veeeeeeeery inteligent ,no offense taken. |
| 17:19.21 | Octave_Octet | TheJumbo: ia32libs |
| 17:19.22 | midol | stew: it says command not found "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" |
| 17:19.23 | psychonate | er, wait, shouldn't ALSA create /dev/dsp on its own? |
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| 17:19.31 | psychonate | I have no idea then why I have no /dev/dsp. |
| 17:19.34 | gravity | midol: As root |
| 17:19.34 | stew | midol: do it as root |
| 17:19.37 | midol | oops |
| 17:19.42 | midol | sorry bear with me |
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| 17:19.46 | takatumi | apogee: ;) apt-get install debian-reference or http://qref.sourceforge.net/ |
| 17:19.46 | TheJumbo | Octave_Octet: thx... |
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| 17:20.17 | sobersabre | hello. |
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| 17:20.36 | eNiAc | hello |
| 17:20.39 | sobersabre | I've asked tonight about dual display setup with i810 xorg driver... |
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| 17:20.54 | TheJumbo | Octave_Octet: dpkg -S |
| 17:20.55 | sobersabre | and I've succeeded with the solution. |
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| 17:21.03 | eNiAc | nice |
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| 17:21.15 | sobersabre | somebody asked for it... I don't remember the nick... dondelelcaro, do you remember that guy ? |
| 17:21.19 | Octave_Octet | Thanks |
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| 17:21.27 | midol | stew: what is the video card bus identifyer and how can i find it? |
| 17:21.29 | oidia | any graphical c++ compiler availeble? |
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| 17:21.44 | apogee | to gravity:When I want to post a PDF (which I will) with Debian info where should I ??? |
| 17:21.46 | sobersabre | oidia: what is a "graphical c++ compiler" ? |
| 17:21.46 | thingfish | midol: just hit enter. |
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| 17:21.49 | sobersabre | opengl ? |
| 17:21.54 | mathdude | #flood |
| 17:21.56 | gravity | apogee: What do you mean? |
| 17:21.56 | thingfish | midol: it's not needed. |
| 17:22.11 | eNiAc | ajunita? |
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| 17:22.29 | sobersabre | i hate kopete!!!!! |
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| 17:22.45 | apogee | to gravity :when I have the time I'll write a short PDF ,about Debian.How can I get it icluded with ??? |
| 17:23.04 | eNiAc | kopete cool in that u can log on several diff accounts simultaneously |
| 17:23.05 | gravity | apogee: If it's a general document, you may just want to write it in wiki.debian.org |
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| 17:23.08 | oidia | sobersabre: more like devcpp, to run under X, that displayes compile messeges... |
| 17:23.09 | sobersabre | hi |
| 17:23.27 | gravity | apogee: If it's specific to a single package, you may want to submit a wishlist bug to the package requesting that the doc get added to that package |
| 17:23.31 | czr | apogee, you should study the format in which to write documentation first |
| 17:23.40 | sobersabre | oidia any terminal displays compiler messages. there's a colorified wrapper for gcc named "colorgcc" - very kool. |
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| 17:23.51 | czr | very rarely if ever anyone submits pdfs directly. normally pdfs are just one output format in many |
| 17:24.05 | SlayerXP | apogee: write your documentation in something format neutral such as docbook. |
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| 17:24.22 | gravity | docbook++ |
| 17:24.37 | psychonate | I'm using Testing with the latest package versions. After I rebooting, I don't have a /dev/dsp any longer with ALSA. Does anyone know what the problem could be? It *looks* like all the ALSA modules are loaded, but I'm no expert. |
| 17:24.49 | czr | psychonate, load the oss emulation into alsa |
| 17:24.57 | apogee | to gravity: will you be available online for how long today ???/ asking if I formnat the drive and try Debian once more ....to get hlpe with the make configure stufff..???/ |
| 17:25.02 | oidia | sobersabre: ok, il have a peak tnx |
| 17:25.11 | psychonate | czr, do you need that for /dev/dsp? |
| 17:25.13 | czr | psychonate, /dev/dsp is device file for oss, not alsa |
| 17:25.18 | psychonate | ah |
| 17:25.22 | czr | alsa has different ways of doing things |
| 17:25.23 | gravity | apogee: Probably not too much longer. I need to go do other things today. |
| 17:25.36 | apogee | to SlayerXP:a good idea to be i more than one formats..... |
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| 17:25.41 | psychonate | I see. Do you know which module that is, like the exact name, or can you tell me how to find that? |
| 17:25.51 | gravity | apogee: There should be other people around to help you though. Probably lots of people who have more LAMP experience than me. |
| 17:25.54 | czr | psychonate, give me a sec |
| 17:26.02 | gravity | Most everyone has more LAMP experience than me :-) |
| 17:26.03 | SlayerXP | apogee: just "<nickname>:" is fine when replying. |
| 17:26.16 | pitchin_uk | l3m: can you remember what the source address i needed was?? |
| 17:26.29 | apogee | SalyerXP;okay, thanks |
| 17:26.37 | gravity | apogee: SlayerXP's suggestion to use docbook is really a good one. It'll output the same document to html, pdf, and a few others. |
| 17:26.38 | czr | psychonate, try modprobe snd-pcm-oss and snd-mixer-oss |
| 17:26.46 | czr | those are the oss emulation drivers for alsa |
| 17:26.51 | l3m | pitchin_uk: it's written clearly in the howto i gave you the link above... i'd have to go check myself.. |
| 17:27.18 | SlayerXP | gravity: I have just started my very first docbook based project. I'm maintaining the FAQ for a LUG. |
| 17:27.32 | gravity | SlayerXP: Nice. I used it a bit for manpages. |
| 17:27.57 | psychonate | czr, yes, that did the trick. I assume that those have been loaded automatically in the past, since this is the first time I've had to do it myself. I don't know why they were not loaded this time. |
| 17:28.00 | tarzeau | l3m: how's your gnu/kfreebsd doing? |
| 17:28.23 | psychonate | czr, (I just rebooted a bit ago) |
| 17:28.43 | czr | psychonate, depends on what you did before and what you do now :--) |
| 17:28.57 | czr | psychonate, update /etc/modules (although I'm not sure about this) |
| 17:29.07 | czr | is /etc/modules still the right file to add modules to autoload on boot in 3.1? |
| 17:29.11 | apogee | SlayerXP:what about the kernel :is official sarge 3.1 DVD's include AMD64 support....AMD CPU's is cool stuff |
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| 17:29.24 | psychonate | czr, I believe so. I use it for my nvidia module. |
| 17:29.32 | czr | psychonate, add those two lines there then |
| 17:29.39 | psychonate | yep, will do |
| 17:29.41 | KillBilluseLinux | Hello room |
| 17:29.42 | psychonate | thanks |
| 17:29.46 | tarzeau | !room |
| 17:29.46 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 17:29.47 | czr | np, have fun :-) |
| 17:30.07 | SlayerXP | apogee: no idea. you can get an AMD64 installer for testing though. I'm typing on a dual opteron system right now. |
| 17:30.28 | KillBilluseLinux | :) Been a long time since I used IRC. Hello Channel. |
| 17:30.40 | apogee | takatumi : do u know about AMD's Athlon64 support in the official Sarge 3.1 DVD ??? |
| 17:30.50 | cheal | !hi KillBilluseLinux |
| 17:30.51 | dpkg | Many greetings, KillBilluseLinux, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 17:30.58 | SlayerXP | KillBilluseLinux: hello person with an unimaginative and most likely troll nickname |
| 17:31.04 | apogee | Slayer :you know some stuff eh ;-) |
| 17:31.08 | pitchin_uk | l3m: its just that i have added the source but it cant find fglrx |
| 17:31.10 | l3m | tarzeau: fine |
| 17:31.25 | SlayerXP | apogee: some of it is even useful. |
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| 17:31.34 | l3m | tarzeau: although i have to wait for kernel 6 to fully switch |
| 17:31.43 | l3m | tarzeau: since my wireless isn't supported in 5.x |
| 17:31.48 | apogee | Slayer :what system u use ??? Debian 32bit ??? on dual Opterons ??? |
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| 17:31.55 | tarzeau | l3m: what are you missing in the 5.4 one? there's a new 5.4 available with alot of fixes |
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| 17:32.00 | l3m | pitchin_uk: apt-cache search fglrx |
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| 17:32.09 | midol | Stew: ok i ran the dkpg configure and went thru everything but it didnt change my resolution nor did it change the options in Applications/desktop preferences/screen resolution |
| 17:32.13 | l3m | tarzeau: iwi ( ip2200 ) wireless drivers |
| 17:32.46 | l3m | tarzeau: but the driver is not in 5.4 due to dependencies in the kernel .. what i got was that it's relying on a certain subsystem which is only in 6 |
| 17:33.00 | pitchin_uk | l3m: nope nothing |
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| 17:33.05 | phogg | I love aptitude! |
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| 17:33.11 | timmo | can anyobdy recommend the best graphic card to use for 3d acceleration, opengl? i want to use a card that can implement 3d accel and opengl with non-proprietary drivers, unlike the ncidia cards if possible... |
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| 17:33.22 | gravity | timmo: Some of the radeons can |
| 17:33.23 | apogee | anyone with Apache MySQL PHP server experience ??? |
| 17:33.24 | timmo | running debian 3.1 by the way |
| 17:33.27 | phogg | it suggests ways to resolve dependency problems now. w00t! |
| 17:33.42 | l3m | pitchin_uk: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian-fglrx-xfree86/index.html |
| 17:33.47 | apogee | SlayerXP:what do uuse these dual optsys for ??? |
| 17:33.50 | l3m | you used these source lines? |
| 17:33.50 | Tortel | i ahve apache with php5 and mysql 4 |
| 17:33.50 | fken | hello : since the kde3.4 update, i have trouble with graveman which create an input / output error and forbid me to control my cdrom |
| 17:33.57 | timmo | gravity, thanks. any idea where i could find out more? |
| 17:34.00 | fken | is it normal and how to fix it ? |
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| 17:34.34 | gravity | timmo: Well... it may be documented online either at the XFree86 site or at the DRI site... |
| 17:34.41 | gravity | If it was Xorg I could just tell you :-( |
| 17:34.51 | gravity | timmo: It'll have to be an older radeon |
| 17:34.57 | gravity | That much is certain |
| 17:35.04 | fken | i tried a lsof but it didnt work |
| 17:35.04 | timmo | cheers gravity. i will try the xfree86 site |
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| 17:35.13 | gravity | timmo: Cool |
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| 17:35.34 | gravity | timmo: Note that a lot of cards have 2d support, but not all of them have 3d support, so you'll have to make sure |
| 17:35.38 | apogee | gravity:one more question.Suppose I want software which is NOT packaged for Debian ..........can I se RPM's |
| 17:35.51 | pitchin_uk | l3m: thats better |
| 17:35.52 | gravity | apogee: Yes, you can use the "alien" program to install rpm's |
| 17:36.02 | gravity | apogee: Although it's highly recommended that you use debs if possible |
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| 17:36.21 | gravity | apogee: It'll save you a lot of pain |
| 17:36.29 | Tortel | alien -i *.rpm |
| 17:36.34 | Tortel | best command ever. |
| 17:36.40 | timmo | gravity, yeah i know. i have a geforce2 mx card in my machine, but i am loathe to use nvidias propriatry drivers with my gnu/linux os! ;) |
| 17:36.42 | apogee | gravity :this is why I'm gonna write this doc..... |
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| 17:37.08 | gravity | timmo: Cool. :-) |
| 17:37.12 | Oryn | timmo: they work very well :) |
| 17:37.21 | gravity | timmo: I'm definitely not a fan of the proprietary drivers myself :-) |
| 17:37.21 | l3m | pitchin_uk: you'll probably also need to install module-assistant and do the steps described in section 4.4 |
| 17:37.38 | apogee | tortel :as root ?? |
| 17:37.48 | Tortel | yea |
| 17:37.50 | gravity | apogee: Cool. This sort of info is scattered around. The problem is that there's so much of it that it's hard to collect in one place in an organized way |
| 17:37.59 | assarix | what does the ioctl syscall do? |
| 17:38.04 | psychonate | er, is there an alternative to nvidia's proprietary drivers---one with decent 3D support? |
| 17:38.12 | Tortel | that will install any rpms in the current directory |
| 17:38.13 | gravity | psychonate: Not for nvidia cards, sadly |
| 17:38.23 | assarix | I don't fully understand the manpage |
| 17:38.23 | psychonate | er, then what were you guys talking about heh |
| 17:38.32 | apogee | gravity :where do I get debs ??? except Debain.org of course ....??? |
| 17:38.33 | gravity | psychonate: The nv driver that comes with X will support 2d just fine though, but not direct 3d |
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| 17:38.52 | gravity | apogee: You can google for them. There are numerous non-official repositories around |
| 17:38.54 | KillBilluseLinux | I need a little guidance with where to get a load balancer for multiple internet connections. Anyone have any experience with this? |
| 17:39.02 | psychonate | oh, yes |
| 17:39.10 | remedy | KillBilluseLinux: look at tc |
| 17:39.12 | psychonate | but I need the 3D support myself |
| 17:39.18 | gravity | apogee: You can also ask in here. Some common ones like mplayer have a non-official repo that's well known |
| 17:39.25 | psychonate | I actually don't mind Nvidia's driver's, apart from the fact that they are proprietary |
| 17:39.28 | psychonate | they work well enough |
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| 17:39.56 | tarzeau | psychonate: i've also seen them crash computers very well |
| 17:40.03 | psychonate | really? |
| 17:40.03 | tarzeau | psychonate: and aren't they linux only, and i386 only? |
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| 17:40.05 | tarzeau | yes |
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| 17:40.16 | psychonate | I don't think I've ever had a problem quite that severe with them. |
| 17:40.26 | psychonate | tarzeau, there are FreeBSD drivers too heh |
| 17:40.36 | nse | Hello everybody, what is the best way to find a package or something like to play Heretic here on Debian? |
| 17:40.39 | midol | anyone have an idea and how to change my screen resolution. I ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 17:40.40 | psychonate | and not just i386 AFAIK |
| 17:40.50 | pitchin_uk | l3m: cheers just doing module-assistant now |
| 17:40.51 | tarzeau | psychonate: ppc too? |
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| 17:40.55 | midol | and that was successful but no change in Screen res |
| 17:41.00 | psychonate | no, no ppc |
| 17:41.06 | KillBilluseLinux | Thank you remedy. A little new to Linux, although, I have been using Freesco for years. I'm trying to learn it well. Thanks so much. |
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| 17:41.33 | apogee | to gravity: I already own the 32bit DVDs....some packages should work with both kernels ....how do I install these packages....if 32bit 32bit kernel should be installed in basic installation complete. |
| 17:41.47 | l3m | pitchin_uk: ;) |
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| 17:42.05 | gravity | apogee: I don't know. I have no experience with amd64 |
| 17:42.13 | psychonate | Linux IA32, Linux AMD64/EM64T, Linux IA64, FreeBSD |
| 17:42.18 | psychonate | also quadro drivers for Solaris |
| 17:42.18 | gravity | apogee: You may want to ask on the debian amd64 mailing list or their irc channel |
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| 17:42.24 | czr | apogee, if you want to run linux in 64-bit mode, you need to install a 64-bit debian on it |
| 17:42.35 | tarzeau | psychonate: hahahaha. that's i386 only |
| 17:42.39 | nse | midol: That's right, choose the resolutions that you want your X11 to work and set yout Gnome or whatever to use it. |
| 17:42.41 | czr | apogee, not that many packages are shared between them (ooo and maybe something else that doesn't crosscompile probably) |
| 17:42.46 | apogee | gravity :whats the channel??? |
| 17:42.55 | psychonate | tarzeau, er, not the Solaris one is it? |
| 17:42.55 | gravity | !amd64 |
| 17:42.55 | dpkg | somebody said amd64 was See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 17:43.07 | psychonate | Solaris x64/x86 |
| 17:43.08 | tarzeau | psychonate: solaris sparc orc i386? |
| 17:43.19 | tarzeau | psychonate: that's i386 |
| 17:43.24 | enveezee | !find bin/fsck.ntfs$ |
| 17:43.24 | psychonate | oh heh |
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| 17:43.35 | midol | NSE: i set the resolution i wanted in the config but then there is no change in the applications/desktop prefences/screen resolution menu |
| 17:43.36 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/fsck.ntfs' returned no results. |
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| 17:43.39 | nse | midol: But a better idea would be to switch to xorg: apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 17:43.40 | czr | enveezee, you're joking, right? :-) |
| 17:43.44 | enveezee | heh |
| 17:43.50 | enveezee | just wondering |
| 17:43.57 | czr | ok :-) |
| 17:43.57 | midol | nse: ill gie that a try thank you |
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| 17:44.01 | apogee | dpkg :is AMDAthlon 64 3000 /512MB ram good enough reason or 32 bit is okay ??? |
| 17:44.22 | gravity | nse: That won't work |
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| 17:44.34 | gravity | nse: Xorg is not in sarge. He'd have to use a backport. |
| 17:44.34 | nse | midol: But remember, learn to READ what is been questioned.. |
| 17:44.52 | apogee | dpkg: I've heard 64bit its not as stable as 32bit |
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| 17:45.02 | midol | nse: i tried to look on the internet for an answer but didnt have any luck |
| 17:45.02 | nse | gravity: How do you know that he's not using etch? |
| 17:45.18 | enveezee | dpkg, say apogee: you fool I am a bot, stop talking to me! |
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| 17:45.22 | dpkg | apogee: you fool I am a bot, stop talking to me! |
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| 17:45.32 | gravity | nse: If he was, he'd already have xorg |
| 17:45.41 | midol | NSE: i tried to install xrg but it says package not found |
| 17:45.47 | nse | midol: I remember myself been in some troubles just as you with screen resolutions... |
| 17:45.49 | gravity | xfree86 no longer exists in etch, except as a metapackage to install xorg |
| 17:45.58 | gravity | if that. I don't know if that migrated yet |
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| 17:46.07 | midol | nse: im using debian 3.1 |
| 17:46.22 | nse | midol: Why don't you come to the testing debian version, it's up to date. |
| 17:46.31 | gravity | nse: That may not fix his problem |
| 17:46.34 | apogee | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:46.43 | gravity | If his modelines are wrong, he's got to figure out how to fix them |
| 17:46.47 | nse | gravity: yes... |
| 17:46.53 | adii | i have problems mounting an external usb hard drive. modules ehci and uhci are loaded in memory. yes it is plugged correctly. fdisk -l returns nothing. no trace of harddrive in syslog and dmesg. What can i do so the disk is detected ? |
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| 17:47.05 | gravity | midol: Are you on x86? |
| 17:47.19 | midol | gravity: yes |
| 17:47.58 | adii | i'd add i'm using a 2.6 standard kernel with etch |
| 17:48.01 | gravity | midol: Ok, install x-debconfigurator |
| 17:48.29 | gravity | midol: Sorry, no hyphen |
| 17:48.32 | nse | gravity: x-debconfigurator ? what's that? never saw it... |
| 17:48.45 | gravity | nse: It's a program that helps configure x |
| 17:48.54 | gravity | It'll help with his modelines if he doesn't have ddcprobe installed already |
| 17:48.57 | midol | gravity: its insalling ill let you know how it goes ty |
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| 17:49.50 | gravity | midol: Are you using aptitude? |
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| 17:49.55 | gravity | midol: Or straight apt-get? |
| 17:50.34 | midol | gravity: i typd apt-get install xdebfonig |
| 17:50.45 | gravity | midol: Ok, you need ot install the recommends as well |
| 17:50.55 | gravity | midol: read-edid at least |
| 17:51.00 | gravity | That's the one you want |
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| 17:51.09 | midol | gravity: i need to install read-edid also? |
| 17:51.24 | gravity | midol: Yes. It's a recommends. I had assumed you were using something smarter, like aptitude. |
| 17:51.37 | midol | gravity: it says i already have the newest version |
| 17:51.45 | gravity | midol: Of read-edid? Ok, that's good |
| 17:51.50 | astronut | gravity: don't forget that most of the documentation says apt-get |
| 17:51.55 | gravity | astronut: I know |
| 17:51.58 | midol | gravity: ill learn aptitude this is my first week with linux and everyone tells emt o use aptget so i do heh |
| 17:51.59 | astronut | what's a good desktop publishing thing? to layout stuff, etc |
| 17:52.03 | midol | me to use* |
| 17:52.08 | astronut | gravity: and all the dpkg hints ;-) |
| 17:52.24 | pitchin_uk | l3m : thats working !! i now have ati drivers!! |
| 17:52.33 | gravity | midol: Ok, so xdebconfigurator should help configure X a little more intelligently than usual |
| 17:52.40 | astronut | midol: it's exactly the same, pretty much ;-) |
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| 17:52.49 | midol | gravity: where do i find it? or run it |
| 17:52.53 | l3m | pitchin_uk: yay |
| 17:53.06 | gravity | midol: I don't think you have to run it, I think it just works when you install it |
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| 17:53.13 | gravity | midol: But I could be wrong. It's been a while... |
| 17:53.19 | tictac | rage: /topic |
| 17:53.23 | tictac | err |
| 17:53.29 | midol | gravity: my resolution is t\still the same and i have no options to goto anything higher |
| 17:53.37 | pitchin_uk | l3m: dont suppose you remeber the test to get the cogs working away?? |
| 17:53.56 | gravity | midol: Ok, you're going to have to find the specs for your monitor and do this by hand |
| 17:54.17 | gravity | midol: The XF86Config (or XF86Config-4, don't remember) manpage has info on specifying your modelines |
| 17:54.22 | l3m | pitchin_uk: what? glxgears? |
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| 17:54.35 | pitchin_uk | l3m: that could be it |
| 17:54.41 | gravity | midol: You're basically going to have to tell X exactly what your monitor's modeline is, and tell it to use that modeline |
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| 17:54.52 | gravity | midol: There's probably docs people wrote about doing this online |
| 17:55.14 | midol | gravity: thank you for the help |
| 17:55.23 | gravity | midol: Sorry I couldn't help more. Good luck though. |
| 17:55.36 | midol | gravity: you got me going in the right direction thats enough for me |
| 17:55.36 | gravity | Welcome to 1999 :-) |
| 17:55.39 | pitchin_uk | l3m: that was it indeed - now getting over 1100 fps!! |
| 17:55.50 | astronut | what's a good desktop publishing program? to layout stuff, etc |
| 17:55.54 | gravity | astronut: scribus |
| 17:56.01 | gravity | I had blanked on the name |
| 17:56.10 | gravity | astronut: Although beware. I had some bugs outputting to pdf so you'll want to test it |
| 17:56.21 | astronut | gravity: ok, cool |
| 17:56.24 | nse | Hello guys! Is there a way to find some debian package or whatever to play heretic II on Debian? |
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| 17:56.31 | dan321 | I upgraded udev and it says to purge hotplug. Does that mean purge and reinstall or is hotplug not needed anymore? |
| 17:56.33 | gravity | astronut: Alternately, you can use OO.o to do it, but it's not as nice |
| 17:56.36 | gravity | But it works |
| 17:56.37 | astronut | ya |
| 17:56.42 | l3m | pitchin_uk: hehe cool |
| 17:56.42 | astronut | you know, i was finidng OO.o sucks |
| 17:56.45 | astronut | err, not that it sucks |
| 17:56.48 | astronut | but i can't find anything |
| 17:56.52 | dan321 | I did check /usr/share/doc/udev but couldn't find anything about this |
| 17:56.52 | gravity | dan321: Just purge hotplug when you're done. hotplug is being made obsolete by udev. |
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| 17:56.57 | astronut | for instance, changing the language of text from english to french |
| 17:57.01 | astronut | i looked all over |
| 17:57.04 | astronut | then i just used abiword |
| 17:57.09 | dan321 | gravity: cheers |
| 17:57.17 | gravity | dan321: If you read the /usr/share/doc/udev/NEWS.Debian there's a note about it |
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| 17:57.28 | enveezee | dan321: I think that means the maintainer is an idiot |
| 17:57.30 | gravity | dan321: You should have apt-listchanges installed to let you read such things prior to install |
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| 17:58.17 | pitchin_uk | cedega here i come!!! |
| 17:58.47 | ubik_ | ubik? |
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| 17:59.30 | elephantman | Is there a tool to burn cds in KDE ? |
| 17:59.41 | xfan | elephantman : k3b |
| 18:00.13 | gravity | k3b is teh r0x0r |
| 18:00.30 | elephantman | but i can't find any k3b package |
| 18:00.35 | ubik` | ubik. |
| 18:00.36 | elephantman | with 'apt-cache search' |
| 18:00.50 | gravity | elephantman: What are you running? |
| 18:00.53 | phogg | is there by chance a program that wiull generate an image depicting the dependency tree of my package cache? |
| 18:01.04 | elephantman | gravity: debian testing kde 3.4 |
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| 18:01.19 | gravity | Ah, it may have been removed from testing temporarily |
| 18:01.26 | elephantman | Oh ok |
| 18:01.30 | gravity | It'll be back though |
| 18:01.33 | gravity | Let me check when... |
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| 18:01.37 | stew | yeah it was taken out for the 3.4 transition |
| 18:01.43 | elephantman | what is the good command line cd burner tool ? |
| 18:01.50 | gravity | cdrecord |
| 18:01.55 | elephantman | ok cool thanx |
| 18:02.11 | gravity | Ah, it's still got RC bugs, so no timetable for entering testing |
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| 18:02.18 | dan321 | gravity: Seems like a nice tool. I assume I can somehow pipe output from apt-get upgrade to apt-listchanges before upgrading? |
| 18:02.18 | xfan | elephantman : http://packages.debian.org/stable/otherosfs/k3b |
| 18:02.26 | cahoot | elephantman: the debian doc include a working commandline too |
| 18:02.35 | gravity | dan321: It should do it automatically |
| 18:02.55 | gravity | dan321: It will also mail you the changelogs if you set it up right. I think they go to root@localhost by default |
| 18:02.58 | elephantman | ok thanx all |
| 18:03.04 | gravity | dan321: This is a godsend for finding out what broke when |
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| 18:03.21 | ows | I'm doing a JPG/PNG to GIF conversor.. the original image is http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/2995/jpgwinmediaplayersmall9aw.jpg, using ImageMagick the output is http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/866/jpgwinmediaplayersmall7qs.gif, using my conversor the output is http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/7414/jpgwinmediaplayersmall2567hx.gif.. can someone say what's wrong with my image? |
| 18:03.47 | astronut | ok, way too complicated for what i want |
| 18:03.48 | astronut | word it is |
| 18:03.56 | gravity | scribus isn't that complicated |
| 18:04.05 | gravity | Its pdf stuff is a bit much though |
| 18:04.19 | elephantman | xfan: ok but if i dl it, how can i test if my system has all dependencies ? |
| 18:04.47 | gravity | elephantman: If you're willing to use a gnome frontend to cdrecord temporarily, there's graveman which works well |
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| 18:04.55 | elephantman | xfan: cause if i just 'dpkg -i' the pckg there won't be any dep check |
| 18:04.56 | gravity | elephantman: You could use that until k3b returns to testing |
| 18:05.20 | nkuttler | ows: what kind of question is that? your converter obviously doesn't work |
| 18:05.30 | astronut | gravity: k3b is out of testing? |
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| 18:05.42 | gravity | astronut: Apparently |
| 18:05.45 | astronut | elephantman: dpkg will fail without the dependencies, then you use apt-get -f install |
| 18:05.50 | elephantman | gravity: ok cool - i will use that |
| 18:05.53 | ows | nkuttler: yeah, but do you have some hint of what's wrong? |
| 18:05.53 | astronut | i think apt should be able to install from a .deb |
| 18:05.57 | astronut | with dep. checking |
| 18:06.08 | elephantman | astronut: ok super thanx |
| 18:06.41 | nkuttler | ows: i think you may want to find a place where people are willing to look through your source |
| 18:07.21 | ows | nkuttler: and what's that place, where ppl knows 'bout GIF (who did libgif?) |
| 18:08.06 | nkuttler | ows: i doubt the libgif maintainers would want to help you. you could ask in #yourlanguage for pointers |
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| 18:09.06 | nkuttler | ows: or get the source of a working conversion tool and study it |
| 18:09.39 | ows | nkuttler: ok, tkx |
| 18:09.53 | TecnoVM65 | Hello people, i just installed apache2 with php4 and it keeps trying to save the file when i try to see php. |
| 18:10.03 | astronut | does easytag support musicbrainz? |
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| 18:10.43 | timo | astronut, no |
| 18:10.56 | astronut | hmmphh |
| 18:10.59 | astronut | what's a good tool that does? |
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| 18:12.40 | nkuttler | hm, i don't think there's a linux tool. there's an application list on the website though. |
| 18:12.47 | nkuttler | astronut: ^^^ |
| 18:12.59 | timo | astronut, apt-cache search musicbrainz reveals amarok, but I don't know how good it is for editing ID3 and such tags |
| 18:13.08 | timo | probably not very |
| 18:13.26 | astronut | i know that amarok works well |
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| 18:13.32 | astronut | timo: that's what i normally use |
| 18:13.38 | timo | oh, ok |
| 18:13.42 | astronut | but i'd have to stop my music to sort these |
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| 18:15.25 | pitchin_uk | l3m: how do i mount a cdrom |
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| 18:16.02 | tictac | mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /cdrom |
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| 18:16.15 | Gnea | in debian, it's mount /cdrom |
| 18:16.22 | Gnea | if it was setup properly |
| 18:17.41 | tictac | this way he learns how mount works, and he (hopefully) wont ask us how to mount his floppy/usbkey/etc |
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| 18:18.00 | Gnea | :) |
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| 18:18.35 | dan321 | gravity: Sorry to be a pain but how do you run apt-listchanges automatically. apt-get upgrade currently gives me the same output as usual? |
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| 18:19.37 | hellkat | I used Alien to install the xmms-liveice plugin into XMMS, but whenever I enable it (and then play a song) after around 5 seconds it crashes |
| 18:19.53 | hellkat | (alien, because it was an rpm) |
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| 18:21.29 | SuperSox | Can I just apt-get install kernel-image-amd64 (ok so not right package name) or do I need to setup a few other things first? |
| 18:21.35 | irevernetReveren | where is the "correct" place to put command to evoke "xmodmap ~/.xmodmap" every time a user logs on? |
| 18:21.39 | SuperSox | I'm coming from a fresh sarge install |
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| 18:22.00 | hellkat | SuperSox, I think it would be safe to do that, you can always revert to an older kernel if it bards |
| 18:22.07 | hellkat | *barfs |
| 18:22.11 | caphuso | irevernetReveren: nowhere. xmodmap is supposed to run everytime a new X session is started |
| 18:22.35 | SuperSox | hellkat: hehe yeah, cuz it barfed, got a kernel panic about opening dev/console :S |
| 18:23.06 | hellkat | SuperSox, Hmm, Im not sure what to do then, sorry |
| 18:23.15 | pitchin_uk | cheers for the help guys. Bye |
| 18:23.16 | irevernetReveren | caphuso hmm that doesn't appear to be the case... I have tried pacing the map in both `/.xmodmap ~.Xmodmap and then the same for the system default location (forgot where) but it still doesnt load... |
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| 18:23.21 | SuperSox | hellkat: hehe no problems :) perhaps dpkg knows |
| 18:23.44 | caphuso | irevernetReveren: well, then your X session startup script doesn't run xmodmap |
| 18:23.51 | pitchin_uk | l3m: cheers for the help - bye |
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| 18:24.18 | SuperSox | indeed dpkg does know.. :) |
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| 18:24.40 | jan_ | i'm trying to enable-locking in MYSQL4, but when i put it in my.cnf under the [mysqld] sectio and i restart mysql, it doesnt work, and i see there is a startup option usr/sbin/mysqld --basedir=/usr --datadir=/home/mysql --user=mysql --pid-file=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid --skip-locking --port=3306 and ofcourse i can't find it nowhere in the init scripts ;-) |
| 18:25.17 | irevernetReveren | caphuso which script SHOULD it be in? |
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| 18:25.25 | hellkat | When XMMS crashes (With the Liveice plugin) i get an Xlib: Unexpected async reply (sequence 0x2fde) whyone know what that means? |
| 18:25.32 | caphuso | irevernetReveren: depends on how you start your X session |
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| 18:25.58 | irevernetReveren | caphuso KDM starts automattically at boot |
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| 18:26.15 | caphuso | irevernetReveren: i don't know what KDM uses |
| 18:26.17 | wuming | how can I recover the boot loader after install winxp with sarge installed |
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| 18:26.58 | hellkat | oooh my jebus, its a memory error |
| 18:27.31 | doomster | wuming, which bootloader? |
| 18:28.02 | wuming | doomster:glub |
| 18:28.14 | apogee | gravity: one tech question :used dpkg reconfigure... for xserver.My card is VESA compatible (onboard S3 Unichrome II),I did enter manually monitor's hor & vertical values ,but can't get more than 60hz.Monitor supports 1024x768 @85hz .any clues ??? |
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| 18:28.28 | wuming | grub |
| 18:28.31 | wuming | doomster:grub |
| 18:28.47 | doomster | wuming, In that case, just follow the install instructions. For safety, try booting XP from a GRUB disk though first. |
| 18:28.53 | czr | apogee, you need to pass the proper mode to vesafb on kernel boot |
| 18:29.02 | czr | apogee, does the X start with 1024x768? |
| 18:29.21 | wuming | doomster: yep. I |
| 18:29.29 | apogee | czr: after I config it yes.at 60hz |
| 18:29.30 | wuming | doomster: yep. I'd like to choose winxp from the grub lsit |
| 18:29.54 | wuming | can i just using the install cd and just install the grub? |
| 18:30.22 | czr | apogee, which chip is the S3? (lspci) |
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| 18:30.32 | solinux | hi |
| 18:30.43 | czr | ie, did X use vesafb automatically or did you select vesafb manually? |
| 18:30.49 | apogee | czr:monitor is NEC multisync 75F.Values are verified from its manual. |
| 18:31.02 | czr | I didn't ask you that :-) |
| 18:31.33 | Ward | Hi, I'm searching for a FTP daemon which supports ldap for logging in, but can run under 1 home dir and 1 uid:gid, disregarding which values are in ldap (like a anonymous FTP, but then with LDAP authentication) |
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| 18:32.00 | apogee | czr: p le a s e wait ...checking web. |
| 18:32.07 | czr | apogee, use lspci |
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| 18:34.48 | apogee | czr:currently Suse's 9.3 is installed. Is lspci it working ??? |
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| 18:35.29 | czr | apogee, that does not compute |
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| 18:35.44 | czr | on command line, /usr/bin/lspci |
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| 18:36.16 | apogee | it work how do I send it to you ??? can I redirect its out to a file ??? |
| 18:36.33 | Maulkin | Ward: proftpd-ldap ? |
| 18:36.40 | cratos | I have a problem with printing using cups and samba. From WinXP I can print but I cannot get the status, from the CUPS web interface I can print and from OSX I cannot print at all. |
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| 18:37.33 | apogee | czr: VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. S3 Unichrome Pro VGA Adapter (rev 01) |
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| 18:37.58 | Ward | Maulkin: myeah, but I hate their sucky way how they authenticate in ldap |
| 18:38.02 | czr | apogee, ok. that doesn't help much :-) (not your fault though) |
| 18:38.30 | czr | but seeing that X works, it must support the card (via vesafb, which is evil) |
| 18:38.43 | Maulkin | Ward: pure-ftpd-ldap? |
| 18:38.44 | apogee | czr:anyone using MSI's K8NeoV ??? |
| 18:38.48 | czr | apogee, did you try to modify X server config monitor setting? |
| 18:38.49 | Ward | Maulkin: they dont support it |
| 18:38.59 | Ward | Maulkin: they dont support the way I want to do it |
| 18:39.09 | apogee | czr: how do I do that ??? |
| 18:39.20 | Ward | Maulkin: but I saw pure-ftpd has a very easy extension to write your own AUTH module, so I will probably do that |
| 18:39.27 | Maulkin | Ward: wu-ftpd + ldap support via nss/pam ? |
| 18:39.34 | czr | edit /etc/X11/XF86Config or Xorg.conf (smt like that). ask google |
| 18:39.53 | Ward | Maulkin: no, pam has already LDAP authentication with other filters |
| 18:40.03 | Maulkin | Ward: there's a few different ways you can do it :) |
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| 18:41.24 | apogee | czr: whats the point declaring the monitor's hor & vert range if its not used ?? |
| 18:41.37 | Ward | Maulkin: writing my own module is the easiest way I think, thanks anyway :) |
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| 18:41.43 | Squawk | When I try to run make <something> on my debian system (very minimal install on an old laptop), i get lots of errors from scripts/basic/fixdep. Any clue what they could be, how I can resolve them. Would a pastebin of the output be helpful? |
| 18:41.46 | czr | what's the point of anything in life |
| 18:41.54 | czr | apogee, vesafb is severly limited driver |
| 18:41.55 | gravity | apogee: Did you check the X log? |
| 18:42.04 | gravity | apogee: There may be a good reason for what you're seeing |
| 18:42.11 | czr | and X doesn't use vesafb unless it doesn't know how to run your graphics chip directly |
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| 18:42.39 | kevieboy123 | Hello, enyone There? |
| 18:42.49 | apogee | yes ,I know that.In Suse ,which auto-detects works at 60hz too. |
| 18:42.50 | blondie | what's the best way to tell your monitor to use a certain resolution/refresh rate in X? |
| 18:42.57 | blondie | kevieboy123: fraid not |
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| 18:43.39 | gravity | blondie: Put the modeline in your XF86Config-4/xorg.conf |
| 18:43.48 | kevieboy123 | I'm new to Ubutnu, normally i use Windowa |
| 18:43.48 | blondie | sure |
| 18:43.49 | gravity | blondie: Read the manpages for those files to learn the syntax |
| 18:43.57 | blondie | I know how to do that |
| 18:44.01 | gravity | kevieboy123: You want to go to #ubuntu |
| 18:44.11 | blondie | but how do you tell it WHICH of those to use |
| 18:44.25 | gravity | blondie: That's in the manpage as well |
| 18:44.28 | blondie | without removing all the others |
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| 18:44.29 | gravity | The file is very well documented |
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| 18:45.53 | cratos | I have a problem with printing using cups and samba. From WinXP I can print but I cannot get the status, from the CUPS web interface I can print and from OSX I cannot print at all. |
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| 18:46.03 | awcr | someone here knows how to install debian on a hp ml150 g2, pain with the sata controller... plz help me!! |
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| 18:49.54 | SuperSox | humm, every 2.6 kernel package I've been trying has been kernel panicing :o |
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| 18:50.25 | SuperSox | 2.4 works fine.... weird.... could it be a sata issue or something? |
| 18:50.36 | loxley_ | SuperSox: compiling yourself? |
| 18:50.42 | SuperSox | loxley_: nope, apt-getting |
| 18:51.07 | SuperSox | 2.4's work fine, but 2.6 kernel panics saying something about dev/console not being there |
| 18:51.39 | doomster | SuperSox, and something about pivot_root? |
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| 18:51.57 | SuperSox | doomster: yeah that's the one :) |
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| 18:52.06 | makinux | hi |
| 18:52.31 | doomster | Supaplex, had the same problem, it was caused by required modules not bein included in the initrd. |
| 18:52.38 | doomster | SuperSox, had the same problem, it was caused by required modules not bein included in the initrd. |
| 18:52.47 | doomster | Sorry, Supaplex. |
| 18:52.47 | awcr | need help with sata mvsta! |
| 18:52.53 | SuperSox | doomster: humm, how did you sort it? |
| 18:52.59 | xnet | i get a message saying "you may wan't to run apt-get update" when i run apt-get update. what do i do? |
| 18:53.05 | loxley_ | SuperSox: there is some info about that on http://kerneltrap.org/node/4677 .. dunno if that helps you |
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| 18:53.20 | SuperSox | loxley_: thanks, I'll take a look |
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| 18:54.10 | doomster | SuperSox, added the modules to /etc/mkinitrd/modules and ran mkinitrd with the kernel version to create a replacement for the one in the package. |
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| 18:55.19 | deonya | I am using udev and my /dev/hdc (my cd/dvd burner) magically disappeared |
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| 18:56.14 | SuperSox | doomster: okie thanks |
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| 18:56.50 | SuperSox | I think I'll just stick to 2.4 for now, need the system up quickly, don't really have time to hack about to get 2.6 working (unless I find i really really need it for something) |
| 18:57.34 | deonya | I am using udev and my /dev/hdc (my cd/dvd burner) magically disappeared |
| 18:57.39 | xfan | SuperSox : 2.6 its more "cool" |
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| 18:58.26 | doomster | deonya: repeating things wont help. We don't deal with magic. Google for "ESR smart questions" |
| 18:58.26 | SuperSox | xfan: really? I shall rush to install it then ;) |
| 18:58.50 | WE_R_ONE | how do I get make-kpkg to use GCC 2.95 instead of 3.4 |
| 18:59.10 | raden | I can proint from any program in KDE except Opera Internet Browser any ideas ? |
| 18:59.17 | raden | it says its printing but enver does |
| 19:00.26 | nkuttler | WE_R_ONE: i think the man page knows. or you can edit the Makefile |
| 19:00.34 | wuming | how can I recover GRUB after install winXP |
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| 19:01.15 | diana | What is xen? |
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| 19:01.49 | diana | nevermind dpkg told me |
| 19:01.57 | diana | !xen |
| 19:01.57 | dpkg | somebody said xen was A big iron tool for white-box PCs. Some say it's like IBM zSeries *NIX/390. Others say it's like VMware ESX Server. See http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen ! -+Also takes 32 MB of RAM no matter what. in plain english for morons, it's yet another virtual machineriser |
| 19:02.08 | HPS`Fresh | wuming boot from rescue disk |
| 19:02.09 | diana | http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_xen_setup_debian_ubuntu |
| 19:02.30 | HPS`Fresh | diana vxen is machine very cooooooool |
| 19:03.03 | HPS`Fresh | diana sorry :) virtual machine |
| 19:03.24 | HPS`Fresh | for my mind it`s better than BSD jail |
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| 19:03.46 | WE_R_ONE | in the Makefile it say HOSTCC = gcc |
| 19:03.54 | WE_R_ONE | should I change it to 2.95 ? |
| 19:04.15 | gravity | WE_R_ONE: You can just export an environment variable, iirc |
| 19:04.23 | WE_R_ONE | gcc-2.95 |
| 19:04.25 | gravity | WE_R_ONE: export GCC=/usr/bin/gcc-2.95 or whatever |
| 19:04.29 | gravity | WE_R_ONE: THen build |
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| 19:04.41 | b4rt | wurning: you wouldn't happen to have a livedisk like knoppix lieing around, would you? |
| 19:04.41 | gravity | WE_R_ONE: Alternately, you can change the gcc symlink temporarily to point to the gcc you want |
| 19:05.14 | wuming | b4rt: just boot into rescue and reinstall grub to the mbr? |
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| 19:06.43 | WE_R_ONE | gravity, I just did export GCC=/usr/bin/gcc-2.95 |
| 19:06.56 | gravity | WE_R_ONE: Ok, I'm not 100% sure that'll work |
| 19:07.02 | gravity | WE_R_ONE: But it's worth a try |
| 19:07.18 | b4rt | wuming: boot it up and chroot to your drive and then run it |
| 19:07.52 | WE_R_ONE | gravity, what ist he other wayt o create a symlink tmp |
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| 19:09.23 | rvalles | hi |
| 19:09.26 | rvalles | from a fresh debian/unstable |
| 19:09.34 | rvalles | what do I have to add to be able to build kernels? |
| 19:09.38 | rvalles | I assume at least gcc and make |
| 19:09.41 | rvalles | what else? |
| 19:10.10 | gravity | WE_R_ONE: Just remove the gcc symlink in /usr/bin (be sure it's a symlink first!) and remake it to the gcc you want |
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| 19:11.31 | WE_R_ONE | w3rdn4:/usr/bin# cd gcc |
| 19:11.31 | WE_R_ONE | gcc gcc-2.95 gcc-3.3 gcc-3.4 gcc-4.0 gccbug gccbug-3.3 gccbug-3.4 gccbug-4.0 |
| 19:11.41 | gravity | ... |
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| 19:12.03 | WE_R_ONE | that is what I have under /usr/bin |
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| 19:12.59 | TiMiDo | ok |
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| 19:13.02 | TiMiDo | WE_R_ONE so what's the issue |
| 19:13.05 | TiMiDo | ? |
| 19:13.23 | WE_R_ONE | have make-kpkg compile a kernel in gcc-2.95 |
| 19:13.29 | TiMiDo | ok |
| 19:13.31 | TiMiDo | so what's the issue? |
| 19:13.43 | zinx | env MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-2.95" make-kpkg foo |
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| 19:14.02 | zinx | i don't know why you'd possibly want it compiled with 2.95, though |
| 19:14.07 | rvalles | I have a fresh unstable. What do I have to add to be able to build kernels? (gcc, make, what else?) |
| 19:14.22 | WE_R_ONE | zinx, kernel 2.4.24 compiled with 2.95 |
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| 19:14.40 | TiMiDo | that's dumb |
| 19:14.50 | WE_R_ONE | TiMiDo, why is it dumb? |
| 19:14.51 | zinx | that's an ancient kernel :/ |
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| 19:15.05 | TiMiDo | doesn't make sences at all WE_R_ONE |
| 19:15.05 | WE_R_ONE | I need the /dev support it offers |
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| 19:15.13 | zinx | i'm pretty sure it has some nasty local privilege escalation bugs |
| 19:15.14 | TiMiDo | then copy the dev and you're done |
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| 19:15.53 | WE_R_ONE | in the kernel it has /dev (experimental) |
| 19:16.01 | WE_R_ONE | that is what I am using |
| 19:16.15 | TiMiDo | ok |
| 19:16.16 | WE_R_ONE | not sure what you mean by copy the dev and I am done TiMiDo |
| 19:16.22 | sandman | How much error-correction is integrated into ext2/3? |
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| 19:16.36 | TiMiDo | WE_R_ONE you just want to compiled a Kernel just because of the dev? |
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| 19:16.51 | WE_R_ONE | TiMiDo, yes |
| 19:17.03 | zinx | WE_R_ONE: there are newer 2.4.x kernels that support devfs |
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| 19:17.06 | TiMiDo | WE_R_ONE well get the kernel source, and check the dev and copy it to the Current Kernel, |
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| 19:17.32 | timmo | is there a problem with nethack falcon's eye under debian? |
| 19:17.37 | TiMiDo | Compiling a New kernel sure it's a pain |
| 19:17.38 | zinx | WE_R_ONE: and if you're using a 2.6.x kernel, you can use udev :/ |
| 19:17.47 | TiMiDo | timmo why is there any issues? |
| 19:17.54 | zinx | (plus i believe it still supports devfs if you know where to look) |
| 19:17.56 | WE_R_ONE | udev is not devfs :( |
| 19:18.04 | timmo | i have been reading about a vulnerability |
| 19:18.14 | doomster | timmo, such questions are best answered by http://bugs.debian.org |
| 19:18.27 | timmo | TiMiDo, also it doesn't appear to be available in the stable games repos |
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| 19:18.46 | timmo | doomster, thamks |
| 19:18.47 | TiMiDo | !info nethack stable |
| 19:18.50 | zinx | WE_R_ONE: why do you need devfs specificly? why won't udev do? |
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| 19:18.57 | TiMiDo | true bro, |
| 19:19.00 | TiMiDo | no such packae |
| 19:19.02 | TiMiDo | *package |
| 19:19.03 | timmo | TiMiDo, thanks |
| 19:19.18 | sandman | I want to view my mbr with a hex editor |
| 19:19.21 | loxley_ | rvalles: i'd recommend kernel-package |
| 19:19.29 | sandman | vim /dev/fd0 doesn't work though :( |
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| 19:19.36 | WE_R_ONE | yes I gett errors like make[1]: *** [init/main.o] Error 1 |
| 19:19.36 | WE_R_ONE | make[1]: Leaving directory `/src/linux-2.4.24' |
| 19:19.39 | TiMiDo | !info nethack |
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| 19:19.41 | zinx | sandman: le --mmap-rw /dev/fd0 |
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| 19:19.55 | TiMiDo | !Nethack |
| 19:19.55 | dpkg | hmm... nethack is a great roguelike game that kicks butt all over *angband. For more information, read http://www.nethack.org/ or newsgroup rec.games.roguelike.nethack apt-get install nethack; then run nethack. Movement is by default using the vi keys, but you can change the keybindings |
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| 19:20.09 | dpkg | nethack: (Overhead dungeon-crawler game (dummy package)), section games, is optional. Version: 3.4.3-6 (sarge), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 24 kB |
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| 19:20.18 | TiMiDo | should be there |
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| 19:21.00 | timmo | TiMiDo, it is the graphical falcon's eye version i was after. i think the standard nethack is text based. |
| 19:21.05 | SapoCareca | hello. I'm trying to install Openoffice.org 2.0 in an etch system. Should I download the tar.gz and install it "manually" or use the mixed system approach devised in the APT Howto? |
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| 19:21.29 | gravity | tw |
| 19:21.35 | gravity | fuck |
| 19:21.42 | gravity | timmo: iirc, falconseye had RC bugs and is dead upstream |
| 19:21.50 | gravity | timmo: So it was removed from the stable release |
| 19:22.11 | timmo | gravity, ah, i see. thanks |
| 19:22.13 | robin_sz | ok, imagine for a moment that I am stupid ... now, when I do uname -a I find I am running kernel 2.4.27-1-386 .. so when I do apt-get install nmap, I am suprised to see that kernel package listed on |
| 19:22.17 | robin_sz | the REMOVe list |
| 19:22.22 | delire | 'beagle' resources inotify. does anyone know of other userland applications/interfaces to this fs notification feature of 2.6.13+ kernels? |
| 19:22.25 | robin_sz | clues? |
| 19:22.29 | robin_sz | cloose? |
| 19:22.38 | gravity | I think I tried to fix up falcon's eye for the release but wasn't able to |
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| 19:23.43 | timmo | gravity, was thinking of giving it a go but had trouble locating it under stable and then found out about vulnerabilities under debian. shame. |
| 19:23.53 | sandman | zinx: "le"? |
| 19:24.07 | zinx | sandman: yes, le. what the heck do you want me to say? |
| 19:24.07 | gravity | timmo: There's a fork for it. Check happypenguin.org to find out what the new one is called, since I forget :-) |
| 19:24.39 | robin_sz | ive got a fork for pickled onions, if that helps? |
| 19:24.53 | timmo | gravity, i will check. thanks |
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| 19:26.20 | sandman | zinx: I'm just running apt-file search le :/ |
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| 19:26.36 | zinx | sandman: the package is named, amazingly, "le" |
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| 19:28.14 | sandman | zinx: That _is_ amazing. |
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| 19:28.43 | WE_R_ONE | ok trying to compile the kernel with gcc-4.0 |
| 19:28.48 | sandman | zinx: This one time I wanted an application called oobase, but it was part of a package called openoffice.org |
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| 19:29.01 | zinx | sandman: hehe :) |
| 19:29.02 | sandman | But that was a band camp. |
| 19:29.16 | zinx | WE_R_ONE: i *still* don't know why you're using 2.4.24 in the first place :/ |
| 19:29.19 | leafers | Hi |
| 19:29.41 | WE_R_ONE | zinx, to Port the final scratch system over on tht kernel |
| 19:29.53 | leafers | What do i do about |
| 19:29.55 | leafers | Fatal server error: |
| 19:29.56 | leafers | Failed to initialize core devices |
| 19:30.02 | gravity | scratch system? lfs? |
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| 19:30.11 | zinx | WE_R_ONE: 'final scratch system'? o_O |
| 19:30.18 | leafers | (II) UnloadModule: "mouse" |
| 19:30.18 | leafers | (WW) No core pointer registered |
| 19:30.18 | leafers | No core pointer |
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| 19:30.31 | zinx | WE_R_ONE: i can't imagine anyone wanting something ported to that kernel |
| 19:30.33 | SapoCareca | hello. I'm trying to install Openoffice.org 2.0 in an etch system. Should I download the tar.gz and install it "manually" or use the mixed system approach devised in the APT Howto? Or should I wait until OO.org enters testing? or... something else? |
| 19:30.55 | zinx | WE_R_ONE: considering 2.4.31 is out |
| 19:30.59 | WE_R_ONE | gravity, Final scratch as in www.finalscratch.com They came out with their own distribution version 1.0 which is based upon the linux kernel. I want to get the system up and running with that kernel. |
| 19:31.13 | zinx | WE_R_ONE: i mean if someone's going to use 2.4.x, they're going to at least use 2.4.31 |
| 19:31.15 | leafers | Can i run debconf |
| 19:31.26 | leafers | From a command line |
| 19:31.27 | gravity | WE_R_ONE: So why are you asking about it in here? |
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| 19:31.49 | harleyg | on my hd i have grub, what do i put in menu.lst so i can choose to boot from the cd rom? |
| 19:31.53 | leafers | ? |
| 19:32.01 | gravity | And that url doesn't go to a linux distro. It goes to a turntable maker. |
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| 19:32.13 | leafers | I have the xfree86.log |
| 19:32.15 | fbi | harleyg: you set that in your BIOS. |
| 19:32.17 | loxley_ | harleyg: uhumm, fix that in bios |
| 19:32.23 | harleyg | cant |
| 19:32.25 | harleyg | well i have |
| 19:32.29 | WE_R_ONE | gravity, I need to compile a kernel under the debian distro, more specfically a 2.4 kernel that has built in /dev |
| 19:32.31 | harleyg | but it only boots the syslinux of dsl |
| 19:32.41 | harleyg | any other distro with a boot folder in the iso hates it |
| 19:32.42 | zinx | WE_R_ONE: uhm, that thing is an x86 box? |
| 19:32.42 | RainbowW | is mod_alias.c installed in apache2 by default? |
| 19:32.43 | fbi | god damn that's an annoying nick |
| 19:32.55 | gravity | fbi: Yeah, no kidding |
| 19:32.56 | fbi | could it be any bigger and stupider? |
| 19:32.59 | WE_R_ONE | zinx, yes a x86 |
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| 19:33.07 | signius | Does anyone here know if the debian/hurd will run on a VIA C3 on a mini itx and if so how does it perform compared to debian/linux ? |
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| 19:33.24 | gravity | leafers: Could you post the whole log in a pastebin? |
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| 19:33.34 | gravity | leafers: Could you also put your XF86Config-4 in a pastebin as well? |
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| 19:33.43 | gravity | leafers: 'cause that's *really* weird |
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| 19:33.45 | deonya | I am using udev and my /dev/hdc disappeared, and now my CD/DVD burner doesn't work, is there a way I can recreate /dev/hdc? |
| 19:33.46 | leafers | Yea |
| 19:33.47 | harleyg | loxley_ and fbi |
| 19:34.07 | deonya | i have done no actions that could have possibly deleted it |
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| 19:34.15 | leafers | In $flood |
| 19:34.23 | zinx | WE_R_ONE: well, if it's x86, get yourself 2.4.31, and don't bother with make-kpkg unless it actually uses .debs |
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| 19:34.30 | markybob | deonya, compile your own kernel and left out ide-cd, maybe ? |
| 19:34.47 | leafers | What pastebin |
| 19:34.49 | zinx | WE_R_ONE: though if it's x86, you may as well use 2.6.x + devfs :/ |
| 19:34.56 | markybob | deonya, s/compile/compiled |
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| 19:34.58 | gravity | !paster |
| 19:34.58 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 19:35.07 | zinx | WE_R_ONE: that would require upgrading module-init-tools though |
| 19:35.10 | deonya | i didnt compile a kernel |
| 19:35.29 | WE_R_ONE | 2.6.x + devfs hmmm tha tsounds fun |
| 19:35.29 | leafers | Only xfree86.0.log |
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| 19:35.46 | deonya | markybob: my /dev/hdc got deleted somehow |
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| 19:36.22 | fbi | leafers: XF86Config-4 resides in /etc/X11, not /var/log |
| 19:36.24 | SlayerXP | deonya: do you let your cat walk on your keyboard? |
| 19:36.33 | deonya | no |
| 19:36.50 | deonya | the only pet I have is a snake and i doubt he got out |
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| 19:37.09 | SlayerXP | perhaps you have a cat you don't know about. |
| 19:37.25 | deonya | my snake eats small kittens... |
| 19:37.31 | markybob | deonya, which kernel version and which udev version? |
| 19:37.37 | deonya | kernel 2.6.2 |
| 19:37.45 | zinx | WE_R_ONE: well, i thought it was still there anyway |
| 19:37.52 | markybob | what? really ? 2.6.2 and you're trying to run with udev? |
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| 19:38.11 | deonya | *2.6.12 |
| 19:38.15 | zinx | WE_R_ONE: seems it's been removed, at least by 2.6.14.2 |
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| 19:38.40 | markybob | deonya, which udev? |
| 19:38.45 | deonya | i think 0.7 |
| 19:38.48 | deonya | how do i check |
| 19:38.53 | markybob | deonya, dpkg -l |
| 19:39.11 | leafers | Pasted one |
| 19:39.12 | Maximus76 | Ci sono italiani? |
| 19:39.14 | WE_R_ONE | zinx, will this work ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ |
| 19:39.20 | fbi | !tell Maximus76 about it |
| 19:39.28 | deonya | markybob: 0.074 |
| 19:39.39 | zinx | WE_R_ONE: it will, but you'd have to use udev.. newer 2.6 versions seem to have removed devfs completely :/ |
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| 19:39.53 | HPS`Fresh | !xen |
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| 19:39.53 | dpkg | xen is, like, A big iron tool for white-box PCs. Some say it's like IBM zSeries *NIX/390. Others say it's like VMware ESX Server. See http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen ! -+Also takes 32 MB of RAM no matter what. in plain english for morons, it's yet another virtual machineriser |
| 19:39.57 | fbi | devfs was replaced by udev |
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| 19:40.12 | HPS`Fresh | !sex |
| 19:40.13 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 19:40.32 | fbi | HPS`Fresh: msg the bot if you're only using it for yourself. |
| 19:40.36 | zinx | WE_R_ONE: you don't seem to be too knowledgable about porting a 2.4 system to 2.6, so i'm going to recommend you stick to 2.4.31... note, 2.4.31, not 2.4.24. |
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| 19:40.40 | eggy | How would I go about reinstalling a debian package I got via apt-get install? |
| 19:40.50 | markybob | eggy, apt-get --reinstall install foo |
| 19:41.13 | leafers | Pasted 2 |
| 19:41.45 | HPS`Fresh | fbi sorry :) was just interesting what will it answer |
| 19:41.46 | fbi | leafers: that's great you learned how to paste. now you need to give people the urls. |
| 19:41.48 | markybob | deonya, maybe this? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=328703 |
| 19:41.49 | eggy | Hrm how do I reconfigure them though, I set some options up wrong in the prompt menus |
| 19:42.07 | leafers | Url's for what |
| 19:42.10 | fbi | eggy: dpkg-reconfigure <packagename> |
| 19:42.21 | eggy | thank ya |
| 19:42.22 | fbi | leafers: the pastebin you used. |
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| 19:42.39 | leafers | Http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
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| 19:42.46 | deonya | markybob: didnt help |
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| 19:43.36 | leafers | Http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
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| 19:44.13 | leafers | 2 xfree86.log files |
| 19:44.53 | john_doe | I want to use quota (which I have never tried before) on my newly installed sarge system. Do you know a good guide? |
| 19:45.28 | czr | john_doe, rhel manuals? :-) |
| 19:45.43 | ic1 | question: where can i find a walk through for setting up debian? one with pics of the screens!? i am on my 5th try and everytime when its done installing, i cannot run startx, apt-get, or anything else successfully!! I have read the entire installation instructions on debian.org and i still cant get it right |
| 19:45.52 | czr | go to www.redhat.com/docs -> red hat enterprise linux -> admin and ref guide. they're quite good even if not debian-specific |
| 19:46.02 | czr | the quota logic is distro-agnostic |
| 19:46.14 | john_doe | czr: thank you |
| 19:46.28 | czr | np, tell us if that doesn't help you though |
| 19:46.58 | ic1 | thanks CZR |
| 19:47.07 | czr | icl? |
| 19:47.18 | ic1 | oh...that wasnt for me? |
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| 19:47.23 | valdyn_ | ic1: what doesnt work w/ apt-get ? |
| 19:47.24 | czr | icl, no :-) |
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| 19:47.30 | czr | icl, sorry for confusion :-) |
| 19:47.53 | zelle | question: I would like to print with my sarge. I have installed cups and configurated it right, in gnome-control-center my printer shows up, I can click "print" in any editor, openoffice etc. without problems, but the printer simply doesnt react? Has someone an idea? |
| 19:47.54 | ic1 | np..i am on my 5 format and reload of debian...first time tryin git on my own.. |
| 19:48.48 | leafers | I am in the same place |
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| 19:48.55 | leafers | Ic1 |
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| 19:49.04 | leafers | But i have apt-get |
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| 19:49.16 | ic1 | how can i just set up Samba and give XP users ability to save files? |
| 19:49.27 | leafers | I can type startx and get |
| 19:49.42 | leafers | Fatal IO error 104 |
| 19:49.43 | john_doe | but does the kernel-image-2.6.8-2 include support for quota? |
| 19:49.46 | RainbowW | ic1: move them to linux and nfs. |
| 19:49.48 | ic1 | leafers...hehe isnt it fun!? |
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| 19:50.18 | leafers | Yea |
| 19:50.32 | leafers | If u like command lines |
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| 19:50.42 | ic1 | rainbow: the workstations? i have one deb server that i did not set up that is serving mail, files, ssh, and ftp (the one i am typing to you on) |
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| 19:51.10 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 19:51.20 | elephantman | I installed the network version of debian |
| 19:51.20 | leafers | Did u set up a ftp source |
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| 19:51.23 | WE_R_ONE | hhmmm what could I copy from kernel 2.4.31 into 2.6.14.2 so that I could build a whole new one? |
| 19:51.33 | ic1 | leafers...my problem seems to be that there is alway a pre-requisite that i am not abreast to so when i attempt anything everyone tells me...ohh...you gotta have this and that..and type this... |
| 19:51.36 | elephantman | It only has base package and then you must download others |
| 19:51.50 | ic1 | im like WTF M8 none of that is in the docs!! |
| 19:51.51 | RainbowW | ic1: samba is a pain. check the docs at samba.org. user-level permissions are somewhat irritating, but share-level permissions work pretty easily. (i use share-level here which may not be appropriate to your setup). |
| 19:52.01 | elephantman | The problem is that my eth card doesn't work (Marvell Yukon, no drivers by default) |
| 19:52.15 | leafers | Well when i got apt-get i was able to install a bunch of packages |
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| 19:52.31 | czr | WE_R_ONE, what do you mean by copying? |
| 19:52.33 | leafers | Mostly xwindows and windows managers |
| 19:52.34 | ic1 | Rainbow: thanks i will check it out |
| 19:52.40 | leafers | I have the commands |
| 19:52.42 | czr | WE_R_ONE, in any case it won't work :-) |
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| 19:52.53 | elephantman | When i try to install the drivers by hand it says i dont have : make & compiler (Make not found, compiler not found) |
| 19:52.56 | elephantman | What should i do ? |
| 19:53.13 | valdyn_ | !b-e elephantman |
| 19:53.14 | elephantman | How can i retrieve the make & compiler package ? |
| 19:53.16 | czr | elephantman, install make gcc libncurses |
| 19:53.16 | dpkg | elephantman: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 19:53.19 | czr | libncurses-dev even |
| 19:53.30 | czr | or build-essential ;-) |
| 19:53.40 | WE_R_ONE | * Unable to find the QT installation. Please make sure that the |
| 19:53.40 | WE_R_ONE | * QT development package is correctly installed and the QTDIR |
| 19:53.40 | WE_R_ONE | * environment variable is set to the correct location. |
| 19:53.44 | czr | I always forget about that |
| 19:53.49 | czr | WE_R_ONE, don't use xconfig |
| 19:53.51 | RainbowW | ic1: the short version is that you'll have to create users with smbpasswd if you want them to be able to use user-level shares. |
| 19:53.54 | czr | xconfig in 2.6 depends on qt |
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| 19:54.13 | RainbowW | ic1: if you have a domain it's theoretically possible to get samba to use that, but i've never actually tried it. |
| 19:54.13 | czr | WE_R_ONE, menuconfig? |
| 19:54.20 | WE_R_ONE | worked |
| 19:54.26 | elephantman | valdyn_: ok but 'build-essential' is not on my 100MO CDROM |
| 19:54.40 | elephantman | valdyn_: can i install it by hand ? |
| 19:54.52 | valdyn_ | elephantman: not much at all is on that cdrom |
| 19:55.02 | valdyn_ | elephantman: dont you have a network connection on that box? |
| 19:55.17 | puetzk | is there some known problem with mirrors.kernel.org (which is in the ftp.us.debian.org)? It doesn't seem to have updated in 3 days now... and I can't find anything indicating that this is known... |
| 19:55.33 | elephantman | valdyn_: no because my Marvell Yukon GB Onboard Lan isn't supported by default |
| 19:55.42 | ic1 | RainbowW: excellent info. do i need to apt-get samba? and about apt-get where does it d/l the files to?? |
| 19:55.54 | elephantman | valdyn_: but to install the driver i need make & compile, so i am turning round |
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| 19:56.11 | valdyn_ | elephantman: which kernel are you using right now? |
| 19:56.15 | czr | elephantman, you have a new knoppix cd? |
| 19:56.19 | elephantman | valdyn_: 2.6.12 |
| 19:56.29 | valdyn_ | elephantman: well, then you have a network |
| 19:56.31 | elephantman | valdyn_: was default kernel on the 3.1 install i downloaded |
| 19:56.32 | czr | boot with that, download from debs the gcc make and libncurses-dev (also libc-dev I think) |
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| 19:57.00 | elephantman | valdyn_: but the installed didn't recognize my network interface |
| 19:57.11 | elephantman | valdyn_: installed = installer |
| 19:57.13 | valdyn_ | elephantman: which one is installed? |
| 19:57.29 | elephantman | valdyn_: sorry i meant the "debian installer" |
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| 19:57.36 | valdyn_ | elephantman: the installer has 2 kernels |
| 19:58.07 | elephantman | valdyn_: though it didn't propose to choose the kernels |
| 19:58.29 | elephantman | valdyn_: it directly put 2.6.12 |
| 19:58.35 | valdyn_ | elephantman: nope, but you get told to hit F1 for further options on the first bootprompt |
| 19:58.51 | HPS`Fresh | why does debian make chmod 755 /home/* instread 700? |
| 19:58.52 | elephantman | valdyn_: no i've hit 'enter' |
| 19:59.08 | elephantman | valdyn_: but you say i should have net support with this kernel ? |
| 19:59.09 | RainbowW | is there something i need to do to get user crontabs to run from ~/crontab, after they show up in crontab -l? |
| 19:59.15 | valdyn_ | elephantman: yea |
| 19:59.17 | HPS`Fresh | it`s so.... hm.... not good :) |
| 19:59.17 | ic1 | Can anyone help me understand where APT-GET puts the files it "gets" |
| 19:59.30 | elephantman | valdyn_: you mean for that specific card ? |
| 19:59.34 | hlprmnky | Question: I recently upgraded from some (possibly much earlier) version of udevd to 0.074-2, and now everything in /dev is root:root 0660. I've tried dpkg --purge udev && apt-get --reinstall install udev, but my old files are still present in /etc/udev. I'm not bothered by the possibility of having to re-tweak any tweaks I've done by hand; is it safe to blow away /etc/udev and apt-get --reinstall install udev again? |
| 19:59.35 | valdyn_ | elephantman: lsmod | grep sk98lin |
| 19:59.37 | puetzk | ic1: /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 19:59.46 | czr | icl, it will also install the files |
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| 20:00.00 | puetzk | and then it installs them,and they go wherever they're supposed to |
| 20:00.00 | czr | icl, dpkg -L packagename to see which files came with that packagename |
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| 20:00.08 | ic1 | thanks! |
| 20:00.13 | elephantman | valdyn_: ok cool - i check...i am impressed, you directly know the module name :p |
| 20:00.44 | elephantman | valdyn_: nothing returned |
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| 20:00.55 | bayab00m | hi folks |
| 20:00.58 | czr | elephantman, try dmesg and look at the last lines |
| 20:01.04 | ic1 | i thought i had to find them and run another command |
| 20:01.05 | valdyn_ | elephantman: lsmod | grep skge |
| 20:01.09 | bayab00m | where do i have to put the firmware for ipw2100? |
| 20:01.38 | elephantman | valdyn_: nothing returned with 'skge' |
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| 20:01.54 | valdyn_ | elephantman: alright. now try loading 'modprobe sk98lin' |
| 20:01.56 | elephantman | czr: last line are about cdrom insertion |
| 20:02.01 | elephantman | valdyn_: ok |
| 20:02.15 | czr | elephantman, probably the driver doesn't support your exact chip |
| 20:02.39 | valdyn_ | right, there's various marvell yukons, not all are supported |
| 20:02.45 | elephantman | valdyn_: ok - after the command i did the 'lsmod | grep sk98lin' |
| 20:02.58 | elephantman | valdyn_: it says 'sk98lin 157664 0' |
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| 20:03.13 | czr | elephantman, do lspci, the do lspci -n and return the xxxx:yyyy code for the network adapter |
| 20:03.17 | elephantman | valdyn_: now i 'ifconfig up eth0' ? |
| 20:03.17 | valdyn_ | elephantman: try 'ifconfig -a' |
| 20:03.19 | czr | I'll check whether .14 supports it |
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| 20:03.27 | czr | oh, cool |
| 20:03.32 | RainbowW | once i've loaded a user's cron jobs using crontab, do i need to do anything else to make them run? |
| 20:03.36 | elephantman | czr: i don't have 'lspci' on this minimal network install |
| 20:03.46 | elephantman | valdyn_: ok |
| 20:03.48 | czr | elephantman, yeah, but the fact that the driver loaded is good |
| 20:04.01 | valdyn_ | elephantman: you are still in the installer? |
| 20:04.02 | czr | normally they only load iff they recognize that your system has hardware that they can drive |
| 20:04.11 | elephantman | valdyn_: no the system is installed already |
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| 20:04.38 | elephantman | czr: oh so it sould manage the card |
| 20:04.55 | valdyn_ | elephantman: that's different for every other driver |
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| 20:05.05 | WE_R_ONE | this is the current error I get with my kernel compile |
| 20:05.07 | WE_R_ONE | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1100 |
| 20:05.11 | elephantman | valdyn_: (...) ifconfig: option '-a' not recognized |
| 20:05.19 | czr | elephantman, shouldn't do that |
| 20:05.20 | elephantman | valdyn_: strange |
| 20:05.27 | czr | because the module wouldn't load otherwise |
| 20:05.34 | czr | normally, there are some exceptions |
| 20:05.48 | elephantman | czr: what 'souldn't i do' ? |
| 20:05.51 | wireddd | what should I use to change an ntfs partition into ext3? |
| 20:05.56 | czr | ah |
| 20:06.04 | wireddd | there is no data on it |
| 20:06.04 | ic1 | Hey anyone, when i am configuring my Exim 4 mail transport, and I want to use an internet email smtp what do I use as the "system mail name"? |
| 20:06.14 | RainbowW | if i dump a script into /etc/cron.hourly, does it run as root? or can i force it to run as some other user? |
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| 20:07.06 | elephantman | valdyn_: what can i try to see if this specific 'sk98lin' module handle my card ? |
| 20:07.06 | czr | elephantman, the driver shouldn't load. not "you shouldn't do that". srry |
| 20:07.06 | valdyn_ | elephantman: go back, reinstall, and use the sarge installer, i cant help you with this one you used |
| 20:07.06 | tech13 | what software will play a DVD and support Closed Caption on Debian Sarge? (looking at totem-xine and xine-ui, web says xine-ui supports it, can't find were to turn it on) |
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| 20:07.18 | valdyn_ | elephantman: 'ifconfig -a' works with a 'base' debian install |
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| 20:07.40 | elephantman | valdyn_: you mean i have to download a full 'sarge' installer ? |
| 20:07.43 | valdyn_ | elephantman: 'ifconfig --help' or somesuch |
| 20:07.55 | elephantman | valdyn_: ok thanx a lot for your help |
| 20:08.00 | elephantman | valdyn_: thanx a lot too |
| 20:08.02 | valdyn_ | !d-i |
| 20:08.02 | dpkg | i guess d-i is at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 20:08.07 | elephantman | czr: thanx a lot too |
| 20:08.09 | RainbowW | elephantman: there is a net sarge installer. what installer did you use? one from potato or something? |
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| 20:08.21 | czr | elephantman, np |
| 20:08.25 | Rangitoto | I have just installed debian and I can't get help for OpenOffice.org. |
| 20:08.55 | elephantman | RainbowW: i used 'debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso' - a 100MO .iso |
| 20:09.59 | valdyn_ | elephantman: i recommend you used the first cdrom of sarge to install, everything to build a kernel will be included, however, entering linux26 at the bootprompt will use a 2.6 kernel that might already support your network card |
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| 20:10.23 | elephantman | valdyn_: ok i understand - that what i'll do |
| 20:10.23 | RainbowW | elephantman: bzzt. take valdyn's suggestion, or go with http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 20:10.46 | elephantman | RainbowW: what is different from the one i installed ? |
| 20:10.52 | ic1 | Rangitoto: what type of problem are you having? |
| 20:11.08 | RainbowW | the one you installed is either from etch, or an older version of sarge, and thus may not be release-quality. |
| 20:11.16 | valdyn_ | elephantman: the one you are using is probably built automatically and might be broken at any time. |
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| 20:11.35 | Rangitoto | When I click on help I get a message saying that the file isn't available. |
| 20:11.48 | sandman | I should vim had le functionality? |
| 20:11.55 | sandman | The ability to hex edit |
| 20:12.12 | elephantman | valdyn_: i have a 'old' debian 3.0 install. Can i use it & still be up-to-date after a 'apt-get update/upgrade' ? |
| 20:12.18 | valdyn_ | Rangitoto: apt-get install openoffice.org-help-en |
| 20:12.23 | ic1 | Rangitoto: you may need additional packages to run it |
| 20:12.24 | phogg | Rangitoto: did you install openoffice.org-help-en or similar? |
| 20:13.15 | RainbowW | elephantman: upgrading from woody is a two-step update. you won't save yourself any download time doing that. download a correct CD image and be done with it. |
| 20:13.23 | Rangitoto | I simply selected "Desktop Environment" at the software selection screen. |
| 20:13.35 | ic1 | omg...i just successfully apt-get'd samba wow...thats the first time something has werked like the docs said!! |
| 20:13.41 | elephantman | RainbowW: ok understood |
| 20:13.44 | valdyn_ | elephantman: that would be painful considering that your NIC wont be support |
| 20:13.58 | phogg | Rangitoto: So it probably didn't install the help package. Install it yourself and see if it works. |
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| 20:14.25 | phogg | ic1: samba works like the docs say it does? Since when? |
| 20:14.43 | RainbowW | elephantman: yeah, there's also the support issue. woody is not only the previous release, it is also "ancient." (of course much of it was ancient when it was released.) |
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| 20:14.51 | ic1 | Rangitoto: yep...me too...now i am on my 5th re-install!~! i didnt realize that pretty much anything you want to run requires apt-get to install it!! |
| 20:14.52 | elephantman | valdyn_: yes true |
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| 20:15.06 | Gnea | sandman: hexer |
| 20:15.07 | elephantman | RainbowW: ok understood |
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| 20:15.55 | ic1 | phogg: not to the actual setup part yet, just the apt-get finally seems to work...all last night for 5 hours i tried to apt-get a new kernel...ha!! that was a joke. this is my first debian install on my own, so...i feel like a cripple at a a$$ kicking contest! |
| 20:16.10 | Rangitoto | It seems that I will have to find out how to use apt-get. I am a newcomer to linux. |
| 20:16.24 | robin_sz | and, then I said to her "well, just use mayonaise then if we are out of lard" .. how we laughed |
| 20:16.35 | phogg | ic1: I never much like Debian's kernel stuff |
| 20:16.46 | Phantazm | anyone expirenced the "problem" that debian sarge wont use swap disk with kernel 2.6, other distros i've tried uses swap with 2.6 kernel but not any of my debian boxes |
| 20:16.58 | Gnea | !apt |
| 20:16.58 | Ronin | Phantazm: thats a good thing |
| 20:16.58 | dpkg | it has been said that apt is the Advanced Package Tool, an advanced frontend for dpkg and rpm (depending on your system). For Debian it's a frontend for dpkg. Apt kicks ass. Unless you referring to Sun's 'Annotation Processing Tool', which ... does not 'kick ass.' |
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| 20:17.11 | Phantazm | yes its good. but i think its borked :) |
| 20:17.19 | Phantazm | couse i have odd performance impacts |
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| 20:17.43 | Phantazm | the debian boxes with 2.4 kernel i run uses swap.. even though i had 3gb of ram in some of them |
| 20:17.58 | Phantazm | but all the 2.6 kernel boxes with 512mb ram doesnt swap |
| 20:18.00 | signius | I have a couple of debian machines on my LAN which i access alot through putty what would be the best way to get some kind of a gui rinning via putty on these boxes ? |
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| 20:18.15 | signius | rinning = running |
| 20:18.22 | Phantazm | wierd thing is that the cpu (hi field in top) climbs up but i can't locate the proc that does it |
| 20:18.52 | ic1 | omg...i retract my statement...apt-get samba JUST HOSED! |
| 20:19.06 | signius | I was thinking of looking into screen but i have no experience of it and dot wont to go that road if it isnt my bet option ? |
| 20:19.20 | ic1 | anyone know how to activate the APT-Force-LoopBreak option? |
| 20:19.26 | signius | wow bad typing day today by the looks of it |
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| 20:19.41 | Phantazm | accroding to free -m i think i have memory left.. (cached) but not sure it works as it's suposed ot |
| 20:19.48 | doomster | signius, you want to run something on the remove machine and display it on the local one? Use X11 or VNC. |
| 20:19.52 | ic1 | Rangitoto: yep...apt-get is something i am still fighting with |
| 20:19.55 | czr | Phantazm, you should read the middle line of free |
| 20:19.58 | phogg | signius: screen isn;t a GUI. |
| 20:20.03 | czr | the one with +/- buffers |
| 20:20.07 | czr | that is the only Truth(tm) |
| 20:20.12 | Phantazm | yes and it says 471 free |
| 20:20.21 | czr | so what's your problem again? |
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| 20:20.24 | Phantazm | Mem: 504 501 3 0 1 466 |
| 20:20.25 | signius | i didnt know if screen would run the gui within it or not |
| 20:20.25 | Phantazm | -/+ buffers/cache: 33 471 |
| 20:20.29 | cesspit | hello all! i need to set up router with 2 interfaces each having local adresses. One adress is my local network one and another - local adress in my providers network (it's local too). I need to make routing from my network to providers and to internet(via VPN, VPN server is in providers network). Both cases requires NAT. Cant you please help me to find matching docs? Thank you. |
| 20:20.45 | leafers | So did anyone read that pastebin? |
| 20:20.51 | Phantazm | it "freezes" up in performance. |
| 20:20.58 | RainbowW | leafers: no. |
| 20:21.07 | signius | I am not sure if i can setup an X server on the debian boxes and run an X client on putty |
| 20:21.10 | Phantazm | i dont have this problem with any of the 2.4 servers |
| 20:21.29 | czr | Phantazm, define freezes |
| 20:21.40 | signius | This is new territory to me so dont be too harsh on me if i am asking dumb Qs at this stage |
| 20:21.40 | Phantazm | for instance. |
| 20:21.46 | leafers | Fatal IO error 104 |
| 20:21.51 | czr | signius, you have server/client mixed up in X |
| 20:21.52 | Phantazm | a samba mount. copy a file. then it just borks |
| 20:22.03 | czr | signius, you run X clients on the debian box. they connect to your screen via putty |
| 20:22.03 | leafers | Failed to initializw core devices |
| 20:22.18 | czr | signius, so you need to find an X server that runs on top of windows and then tunnel traffic using putty |
| 20:22.24 | Phantazm | if i use top to check what happends.. the (hi) filed climbs up.. but non of the processes changes state |
| 20:22.26 | czr | Phantazm, borks = breaks |
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| 20:22.38 | Phantazm | (except samba that climbs a little) |
| 20:22.42 | leafers | Failed to initialize core devices |
| 20:22.45 | czr | Phantazm, do you have dma enabled with your hard disks? |
| 20:22.53 | leafers | The mouse and maybe the monitor |
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| 20:22.58 | Phantazm | yes dma is enabled |
| 20:23.01 | signius | There appears to be X11 under SSH under connections in putty but i wasnt sure if this is what i needed |
| 20:23.10 | czr | Phantazm, you sure? checked with hdparm /dev/hda ..? |
| 20:23.17 | leafers | Its in that xfree86.0.log |
| 20:23.23 | czr | signius, X11 means port for X11 |
| 20:23.31 | Ronin | signius: you wont be able to do x forwarding in windows without the help of a 3rd party app |
| 20:23.32 | Phantazm | well i've set it in init script but i can check just to make sure |
| 20:23.34 | czr | leafers, look for all lines that start with E |
| 20:23.45 | leafers | ** |
| 20:23.46 | Phantazm | using_dma = 1 (on) |
| 20:23.48 | valdyn_ | Phantazm: swap behaviour in 2.6 kernels can be tuned, it doesnt swap out as aggressively by default as 2.4 kernels do |
| 20:23.57 | czr | Phantazm, ok |
| 20:23.57 | signius | There is a tick box under the version of putty i am running for X11 forwarding |
| 20:23.59 | Phantazm | ive tried swappiness 100 just to make sure |
| 20:24.04 | Phantazm | it still doesnt swap |
| 20:24.06 | Phantazm | tried 1 too |
| 20:24.16 | signius | or will this just be a link the 3rd app your refering to ? |
| 20:24.20 | Phantazm | been using linux for 100 years but i cant get this sucker to swap a singe mb hehe |
| 20:24.22 | Gnea | signius: you need something on the windows side that understands the X11 transport layer. putty is simply a vehicle. if the documents on one end are in french and the other endpoint is italy, they're not gonna know what to do without a translator on italy's end. |
| 20:24.26 | Phantazm | 100 = 10 |
| 20:24.28 | valdyn_ | Phantazm: 100=swap most |
| 20:24.33 | leafers | Is there anyway i can rerun it? |
| 20:24.37 | Ronin | signius: neither, do a search for xforwarding and windows |
| 20:24.38 | signius | ok thanks |
| 20:24.40 | adii | i'm using etch with 2.6 standard kernel. i have problems mounting an external usb hard drive. modules ehci and uhci are loaded in memory. yes it is plugged correctly. fdisk -l returns nothing. no trace of harddrive in syslog and dmesg. lsusb shows nothing connected to usb ports but hard drive works on other computers... what can i do ? |
| 20:24.41 | czr | Phantazm, maybe you should try to flush buffer caches to disk more often and in smaller pieces |
| 20:24.48 | Phantazm | tried to eat up all eemory but dont swap anyhow |
| 20:24.55 | Phantazm | how can i do that? |
| 20:24.56 | Ronin | its very easy linux to linux mind you |
| 20:25.08 | signius | i will do some more research you have help point me in the right direction anyways cheers |
| 20:25.16 | czr | Phantazm, take some sedatives, order an ambulance and check out /proc/sys/vm-stuff |
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| 20:25.44 | czr | Phantazm, understand that you can severly affect the state of the filesystem by setting wrong values there |
| 20:25.46 | Phantazm | haha |
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| 20:25.57 | czr | I've lost about 200k files by "thinking that I know what I'm doing" |
| 20:26.03 | leafers | EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice |
| 20:26.03 | leafers | No such device. |
| 20:26.03 | leafers | (EE) Configured Mouse: cannot open input device |
| 20:26.03 | leafers | (EE) PreInit failed for input device "Configured Mouse |
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| 20:26.10 | czr | lost power and buffers were unflushed |
| 20:26.11 | diana | I want a decent speaker set for my laptop when I watch movies with mplayer...I was thinking maybe a speaker set that is powered from a usb port...Anyone |
| 20:26.17 | Phantazm | nice |
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| 20:26.23 | leafers | Opps |
| 20:26.23 | b4rt | Whenever I download a bunch, delete a bunch, download a bunch... it's like my machine forgets that i have deleted the files and tells me i am out of room, and then I will have to fsck the drive, and then I reclaim all my space again. Anyone know how i can update the journals or whatever is missinterpretting my disk space so i don't have to reboot? |
| 20:26.25 | diana | have experience with this...and can recommend hardware that is natively supported under linux? |
| 20:26.32 | leafers | Only 4 lines |
| 20:26.39 | czr | Phantazm, that's the place though. you could also try with pre-empting the kernel, but it sounds like too optimal buffering |
| 20:26.55 | Phantazm | its preemted |
| 20:26.56 | Gnea | diana: depends upon your definition of 'natively' |
| 20:27.00 | valdyn_ | b4rt: run lsod | grep deleted |
| 20:27.04 | valdyn_ | b4rt: run lsof | grep deleted |
| 20:27.04 | czr | Phantazm, linux assumes that total run time should be optimized, not each i/o:s tranctaion latency |
| 20:27.07 | diana | Gnea: I want it to "just work" |
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| 20:27.12 | delmar | hey everyone. |
| 20:27.12 | leafers | 3 lines |
| 20:27.14 | czr | Phantazm, yeah, as I said, it's an I/O flushing issue |
| 20:27.30 | Phantazm | yes. only think i can think of too |
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| 20:27.37 | Phantazm | (disks are heavy loaded too) |
| 20:27.43 | leafers | Pasted them in flood |
| 20:27.43 | b4rt | thanks valdyn_ |
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| 20:27.46 | czr | pre-empt helps when you're not waiting for I/O for that process |
| 20:28.03 | czr | it doesn't help when your process is waitinf for disk which is flushing 500 MiB of data |
| 20:28.12 | valdyn_ | b4rt: used files space doesnt get freed, even if they get deleted ( till thhey're no longer used ) |
| 20:28.19 | czr | Phantazm, you might also try to play with the various i/o-schedulers 2.6 has now |
| 20:28.26 | Phantazm | soi basicy i dont need preemt just for fileserver |
| 20:28.28 | czr | Phantazm, the default one might not suite your needs |
| 20:28.33 | Gnea | diana: that narrows it down quite significantly. are you aware of the concept of vendor lock-in? |
| 20:28.44 | czr | Phantazm, not unless it also runs processes which do computation tasks only |
| 20:28.49 | Phantazm | tried change teh schedulers too. but no effect |
| 20:28.49 | czr | Phantazm, so no |
| 20:28.55 | czr | ok, then it's blocking issue |
| 20:29.00 | czr | what kind of disk setup do you have? |
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| 20:29.15 | b4rt | valdyn_: so the only way to free it is to reboot, right? |
| 20:29.22 | delmar | I'm running debian sid/unstable with kernel 2.6.14, and can't get pwmconfig (part of lm-sensors) to do it's thing. There is mention of a little patch to change the if/else but it would seem the pwmconfig in package 2.9.2-5 is different....whats the trick to make lm-sensor/pwmconfig happy? |
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| 20:29.36 | czr | Phantazm, btw, #kernel would be more suitable for this for future reference |
| 20:29.37 | Phantazm | 8x sata 320gb in raid 5. 2x 250gb with crypt-dm |
| 20:29.37 | Rangitoto | Is "Aptitude" an alternative to "apt-get"? |
| 20:29.43 | czr | although it seems a bit silent |
| 20:29.47 | Phantazm | dm-crypt |
| 20:29.48 | valdyn_ | b4rt: nope, you could kill the task that is using that file, or just wait till its done |
| 20:29.48 | czr | raid5? |
| 20:29.57 | leafers | I wonder if i reboot if it would get it right |
| 20:29.58 | Gnea | !aptitude |
| 20:29.58 | dpkg | i guess aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html. But be careful boys'n'grilfs: Bug# 299009 |
| 20:29.58 | Phantazm | yes. hw |
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| 20:30.04 | Phantazm | sata controller |
| 20:30.08 | czr | hmm |
| 20:30.22 | czr | Phantazm, have you checked whether the crypting adds the cpu load or the raid? |
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| 20:30.26 | Phantazm | but even when writing to the / its slow and / is only a software mirror |
| 20:30.34 | czr | Phantazm, ah ok |
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| 20:30.46 | czr | Phantazm, how fast disks do you have (linear read from start)? |
| 20:30.50 | zimnyx | "man update modules says" that module options should be put in /etc/modutils/moduleName.chandev, i did so i run "update-modules" and manual says that that options will be copied to /etc/chandev, but i got no such file after run update-modules. |
| 20:30.51 | b4rt | valdyn_: I will give that a try next time, thanks |
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| 20:30.58 | czr | Phantazm, over r5 and cdm |
| 20:31.01 | Phantazm | but it could be that i's traffic on the dm-crypt and the chiper doesnt "do the trick fast enuff) |
| 20:31.03 | czr | dmc even |
| 20:31.14 | czr | rare ciphers do |
| 20:31.23 | zimnyx | actially it;s content was copied to /etc/modules.conf, but what is most important options don't work |
| 20:31.24 | Phantazm | use serpent 256 |
| 20:31.29 | czr | you can't really expect any cihper to run as fast as fast hard disks |
| 20:31.32 | ruied | I've installed postgres, but I can't enter, psql says I didn't select a database, how do I enter in psql for the first time? |
| 20:31.38 | czr | not on PC CPUs at least |
| 20:31.46 | Phantazm | true. but the problem only starts after it's been up a few days |
| 20:31.48 | leafers | Can't i type debconf or linuxconf and change the mouse type? |
| 20:31.55 | zinx | czr: you can expect some really really dumb ciphers to run as fast |
| 20:31.57 | Phantazm | disks are fast the first days |
| 20:32.00 | larsioa | Hello.. I have too lines that looks like this: 1643K 326M ACCEPT all -- * eth0 XX.XX.XX.XX 0.0.0.0/0 - I want via sed to remove everything but not nr2 where the traffic is. The 326 MB. Can anybody help me on how to do that. |
| 20:32.00 | zinx | czr: nothing worth using though ;) |
| 20:32.06 | Phantazm | hehe |
| 20:32.06 | czr | zinx, I don't count them as cipher :-) |
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| 20:32.10 | czr | ciphers even |
| 20:32.17 | czr | ROT13 is quite fast, true |
| 20:32.20 | Phantazm | haha |
| 20:32.35 | czr | probably would foil most script kiddies though |
| 20:32.38 | bonez | Can someone help me install winex and cedega? I got problems and I dunno how to solve it... |
| 20:32.43 | Phantazm | thank you for your help.. will be back in a few. (kid started to crie. need to put him to bed) |
| 20:32.57 | czr | Phantazm, ok, good luck, come back when you have the solution btw |
| 20:32.59 | valdyn_ | bonez: wrong channel |
| 20:33.00 | Phantazm | :/ sucks.. finally getting some answers and kiddo wakes up |
| 20:33.02 | Gnea | bonez: no. |
| 20:33.05 | Phantazm | will do |
| 20:33.09 | czr | Phantazm, I'm interested in hearing what it is/was |
| 20:33.17 | bonez | valdyn: where should I go then? |
| 20:33.31 | valdyn_ | bonez: www.transgaming.org or www.transgaming.com |
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| 20:33.57 | czr | valdyn_, is it always as crowded here? :-) |
| 20:34.07 | valdyn_ | czr: yep |
| 20:34.15 | czr | this must be one of the more active channels I've visited for a long time |
| 20:34.26 | _gass_ | when addicting new configurations to logrotate, i need to restart any daemon? if yes, which one? |
| 20:34.36 | czr | gass, logrotate is run as cronjob |
| 20:34.39 | czr | gass, so no |
| 20:34.53 | _gass_ | czr: thanks ... in doubt here |
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| 20:35.02 | czr | man logrotate :-) |
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| 20:35.48 | czr | hmm. has anyone encountered some interactive tutor/tutorial for the command line that would teach how to use unix-tools and the command line? |
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| 20:36.00 | caphuso | czr: your shell + man |
| 20:36.11 | leafers | Can't i type debconf or linuxconf and change the mouse type? |
| 20:36.15 | S3r1aL | Linux mundolinux 2.6.14.2-serial #1 PREEMPT Sun Nov 13 13:41:16 CLST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 20:36.16 | S3r1aL | :P |
| 20:36.19 | czr | caphuso, I'm not looking for it for myself obviously :-) |
| 20:36.30 | valdyn_ | !drxx leafers |
| 20:36.31 | dpkg | leafers: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 20:36.35 | caphuso | czr: doesn't change the answer :) |
| 20:37.02 | czr | and you think that a traininig program couldn't be useful at all? |
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| 20:37.16 | czr | I agree that man + shell are the best combination |
| 20:37.27 | czr | but. I'm thinking of ppl who've never used unix |
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| 20:37.34 | czr | or any text-based system |
| 20:37.40 | czr | "text-based" :-) |
| 20:37.46 | S3r1aL | xf86cfg -texmode |
| 20:37.46 | S3r1aL | :P |
| 20:37.52 | _gass_ | leafers: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 or xserver-xorg |
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| 20:39.31 | leafers | Ok |
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| 20:39.57 | leafers | Let me go try |
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| 20:40.20 | dimm0k | anyone using kernel 2.6.15-rc1? are you supposed to apply that patch to 2.6.14.2 or 2.6.14.1? |
| 20:40.24 | delmar | Looking for some help getting lm-sensors working.... can't get fancontrol working using pwmconfig script. anyone? |
| 20:40.42 | cahoot | dimm0k: neither |
| 20:40.46 | valdyn_ | dimm0k: to plain 2.6.14 |
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| 20:41.30 | dimm0k | valdyn_, oh crap... that's why it failed. thanks |
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| 20:41.43 | zimnyx | Qestion: Where should i put kernel load module options? |
| 20:42.08 | valdyn_ | zimnyx: /etc/modprobe.d/ ( look at the files already there ) |
| 20:42.23 | zimnyx | valdyn_: put, and run what? |
| 20:42.36 | valdyn_ | zimnyx: nothing else |
| 20:42.48 | zimnyx | valdyn_: what about update-modules? |
| 20:42.49 | cahoot | dimm0k: take a look at LKML before jumping in |
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| 20:42.52 | czr | indeed |
| 20:42.56 | valdyn_ | zimnyx: obsolete |
| 20:43.05 | czr | does modprobe read /etc/modprobe.d/?? |
| 20:43.09 | Phantazm | diper change and back to bed.. that was easy :) |
| 20:43.19 | czr | Phantazm, your diaper? ;-) |
| 20:43.25 | zimnyx | valdyn_: i see. What is weird i did like you said, but options are not honored |
| 20:43.26 | Phantazm | that too ;) |
| 20:43.31 | czr | that's why the child was crying! :-) |
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| 20:43.40 | czr | zimnyx, unload and load module |
| 20:43.48 | Phantazm | well if youve seen the mess youd understand him hehe |
| 20:44.01 | Phantazm | if i change scheduler on a dm-crypt device. is it safe to change scheduler on 1 disk at the time |
| 20:44.06 | czr | Phantazm, I can imagine. anyone running raid5 over 8 sata disks must be messy indeed ;-) |
| 20:44.16 | valdyn_ | zimnyx: then those options dont work |
| 20:44.18 | czr | with linux nothing is safe :-) so yes ;-) |
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| 20:45.02 | czr | Phantazm, btw, which controller you use for the raid? |
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| 20:45.25 | zimnyx | czr: i tried, doesn;t help |
| 20:45.28 | valdyn_ | zimnyx: strace -eopen modprobe <something> 2>&1 | grep modprobe.d |
| 20:45.40 | Phantazm | it's a promise i think |
| 20:45.41 | Phantazm | can check |
| 20:45.54 | valdyn_ | zimnyx: if you used insmod - thats your fault |
| 20:45.54 | Phantazm | before i had problems with 8 disks on pci bus. now i use pci-x |
| 20:47.17 | ic1 | if i have a file name: ISO's ... how do i cd to that in CLI? |
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| 20:47.29 | blondie | ic1: what? |
| 20:47.29 | puetzk | ic1: ISO\'s |
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| 20:47.34 | blondie | oh right |
| 20:47.35 | blondie | yeah |
| 20:47.36 | puetzk | or "ISO's" |
| 20:47.45 | puetzk | or several other possible ways to quote it |
| 20:47.46 | blondie | but the correct plural of ISO is ISOs :P |
| 20:47.52 | wide-eye | hi, i'm looking to try an automated tftp-net install, does anyone have a nice doc/howto for that? |
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| 20:47.55 | blondie | so, rename it instead ;) |
| 20:48.00 | puetzk | blondie: maybe there are files belonging to his ISOs :-) |
| 20:48.07 | puetzk | or I guess to one particular one |
| 20:48.09 | dimm0k | cahoot, what fun would that be to look before you leap? |
| 20:48.10 | zimnyx | valdyn_: my mistake was putting it in /etc/modutils instead of modprobe.d/ thanks. where can i read more about current modules management? |
| 20:48.11 | valdyn_ | i think he wants to 'cd' into an iso image =/ |
| 20:48.12 | blondie | yeah, just one :) |
| 20:48.14 | ic1 | hehe...not my file...its on a wiindows machine someone built |
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| 20:48.24 | valdyn_ | zimnyx: man modprobe i suppose, i dont know.. |
| 20:48.28 | ic1 | so cd "ISO's" will work? |
| 20:48.32 | zimnyx | valdyn_: thanks. |
| 20:48.33 | blondie | yes |
| 20:48.43 | diana | I want a decent speaker set for my laptop when I watch movies with mplayer...I was thinking maybe a speaker set that is powered from a usb port...Anyone have experience with this...and can recommend hardware that is natively supported under linux?(I want it to "just work") |
| 20:48.45 | blondie | or cd ISO\'s |
| 20:48.50 | cahoot | dimm0k: ok - have fun as they say ;) |
| 20:48.50 | ic1 | sweet worked |
| 20:48.59 | blondie | or try cd ISO<tab> |
| 20:49.54 | ic1 | Can i just uninstall e2fsprogs??? it keeps hosing my apt-gets when i try to update anything!!! |
| 20:50.13 | blondie | try using less punctuation |
| 20:50.15 | blondie | c.c |
| 20:50.34 | valdyn_ | ic1: or you could read the error message and follow it |
| 20:50.59 | ic1 | i did! i cant figure out how to force the loopback.. |
| 20:51.10 | valdyn_ | ic1: man apt-get |
| 20:51.15 | ic1 | plus it says its not a good idea, but i can if i want |
| 20:52.00 | thingfish | speakers aren't usually that much of a problem, although I don't know about usb audio under linux. Doesn't your laptop have an audio out jack, diana? |
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| 20:52.28 | valdyn_ | ic1: if you try to remove e2fsprogs it will tell you that that is a bad idea too |
| 20:52.43 | diana | thingfish: yes it does...but these speakers seemed easier. |
| 20:53.05 | Phantazm | wierd don't got the /sys/block/<devicename>/queue/scheduler |
| 20:53.11 | valdyn_ | ic1: do either of those, install it back later. That should work, im not saying its safe, since i dont know that for sure. |
| 20:53.13 | ic1 | omg! wtf am i supposed to do then!! i cant get anything to apt-get b/c its dependent or conflicts!!! |
| 20:53.25 | diana | thingfish: http://www.trendware.com/products/TA-103S.htm |
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| 20:53.33 | diana | thingfish: http://www.trendware.com/products/TA-102S.htm |
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| 20:53.56 | diana | ic1: Fix the conflicts. |
| 20:54.00 | ic1 | hmm... I am going to give that a shot...all i want is samba and some upgraded admin utils... |
| 20:54.15 | valdyn_ | diana: he cant, upgrading to etch is broken that way |
| 20:54.20 | Phantazm | must one use elevator with 2.6.8 to change scheduler |
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| 20:54.27 | ic1 | diana: i am trying but i get more errors on top of that! |
| 20:54.29 | valdyn_ | ic1: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 20:54.34 | diana | thingfish: Do you have speakers you use for your laptop that you recommend? |
| 20:54.45 | diana | I just want better sound then what my laptop speakers provide. |
| 20:54.46 | valdyn_ | ic1: you are about to upgrade your libc6, that is something do DONT WANT |
| 20:54.48 | deonya | I finally got my cdrw to work but it still wont burn cds any idea where to start |
| 20:54.55 | nimak | whats a good means of copying a partitions contents to another partition |
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| 20:55.07 | thingfish | diana: I don't own a laptop. |
| 20:55.12 | ic1 | Val, no such file or dir |
| 20:55.24 | valdyn_ | ic1: in your irc client |
| 20:55.31 | thingfish | diana: I just don't know about usb audio under linux. |
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| 20:55.47 | ic1 | i though i needed to upgrade my libc6 |
| 20:55.49 | diana | ic1: Now you know why they call it testing. |
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| 20:56.24 | valdyn_ | ic1: trying to install etch packages can do that, its scary, dont do it, /msg dpkg simple sid backport instead |
| 20:56.28 | lewis | does the sarge 2.6 kernel support SATA? |
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| 20:56.42 | nimak | and how do i resize a partition? |
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| 20:56.50 | deonya | I finally got my cdrw to work but it still wont burn cds any idea where to start |
| 20:56.50 | ic1 | ok...what do i do with this? ask it how to upgrade? |
| 20:57.18 | diana | deonya: What burning software are you using? |
| 20:57.38 | valdyn_ | lewis: sata isnt unified that way, your device needs its special driver, 2.6 does support some sata interfaces |
| 20:57.38 | deonya | cdrecord |
| 20:57.42 | deonya | and k3b |
| 20:57.49 | diana | deonya: Are you using cdrecord as a regular user? |
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| 20:57.55 | deonya | no |
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| 20:58.16 | diana | deonya: You are running k3b as root? |
| 20:58.18 | valdyn_ | !simple sid backport |
| 20:58.18 | dpkg | from memory, simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports> |
| 20:58.24 | lewis | valdyn_: what happens if 2.6 doesn't support your driver? |
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| 20:58.30 | deonya | diana: no |
| 20:58.32 | deonya | as a user |
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| 20:58.40 | diana | deonya: Try doing dpkg-reconfigure cdrecord, say yes if you want to have burn permissions for a regular user. |
| 20:58.47 | deonya | already did |
| 20:59.02 | valdyn_ | lewis: you mean hardware, then you cant use it |
| 20:59.16 | lewis | oh |
| 20:59.35 | lewis | where can I see the list of supported SATA devices? |
| 20:59.42 | valdyn_ | !sata |
| 20:59.43 | dpkg | Ideally you want Jeff Garzik's libata patch against 2.4.x. See http://lwn.net/Articles/52488/ . For a netinst w/libata, see http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ to make one with a custom kernel, or http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html for more options. ("You can tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs."), or use a 2.6 kernel for less pain, or you must enable CONFIG_SATA and your SATA driver for this to work |
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| 21:00.19 | delmar | I'm trying to get lm-sensors and fancontrol working because my CPU is too hot all the time, and the fan takes forever to wind up and start cooling things.... but pwmconfig is just giving me the "There are no pwm-capable sensor modules installed" message. anyone able to help me with this please? |
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| 21:00.48 | valdyn_ | delmar: fans are supposed to be controlled by your chipset |
| 21:00.53 | Marticus | afternoon |
| 21:01.01 | RainbowW | does anybody here speak procmail? i'd like to rewrite From: abbydisc-[^@]*@goldblatt.net into From: abbydisc@goldblatt.net ... |
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| 21:01.04 | valdyn_ | delmar: NOT by your OS, or your box would fry if it locks up |
| 21:01.04 | delmar | valdyn_, sure but its not doing the job |
| 21:01.22 | Marticus | can someone recommend a "what to do next" guide for having installed cvs and viewcvs on my sarge server? |
| 21:01.32 | delmar | valdyn_, lm-sensors and fancontrol are well known packages for managing the fans better, and I want to use them. |
| 21:01.41 | faljse | valdyn_: depends.. on acpi machines fans are controlled by the os.. |
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| 21:02.00 | valdyn_ | faljse: ...can be controlled by the OS |
| 21:02.08 | dyson | hey, after an upgrade halt, shutdown is missing, which deb i have to reinstall? |
| 21:02.14 | valdyn_ | faljse: otherwise that machine should be returned instantly imo |
| 21:02.17 | faljse | valdyn_: and per default they are... |
| 21:02.23 | delmar | valdyn_, i am not here to argue about it, i want to use those progs. |
| 21:03.14 | valdyn_ | i just know that lm-sensors can trash thinkpads ) |
| 21:03.15 | brullo | anyone uses ACPI/suspend/hibernate under unstable 2.6? |
| 21:03.45 | valdyn_ | delmar: ran sensors-detect yet? |
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| 21:04.16 | delmar | i want to set higher minimum rpm speeds to keep the fan cooler. noise is not a problem, but the system seems to think the noise needs to be managed. Q-Fan control is turned off in the bios.. i dont need a quiet P4 fan.. it can spin out of control and make all the noise in the world.. but it wont. its cooking my CPU.. When the box had win2k3 server on it, the fan was nice and loud.. I swear.. Linux is cooking my CPU. |
| 21:04.50 | delmar | valdyn_, yep, done that so far, got the modules loaded, and i get output from "sensors" showing fan speed, temp etc. |
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| 21:05.26 | delmar | "keep the fan cooler" = keep the cpu cooler :P |
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| 21:05.33 | chope | hi, is there a way to limit the mouse position so it doesnt go to the other screen in xinerama? |
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| 21:06.21 | Marticus | I've also installed subversion, to see which one I like more |
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| 21:07.00 | Marticus | but just not sure what to do next, it seems I would need something in apache configs, but I see no guide for completing the installation beyond simply installing the packages |
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| 21:07.41 | eflynn | Hi all |
| 21:07.51 | Marticus | any thoughts on this are greatly appreciated |
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| 21:08.12 | eguzkia | hello someone can help to install my wireless ! |
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| 21:08.16 | eflynn | I would like to make a pseudo-floppy device file |
| 21:08.42 | dyson | in which packet is halt, shutdown included? |
| 21:08.46 | eflynn | that when it is written to, the data will just go to a file... |
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| 21:09.28 | shad0w1e | how do I add the "universe" to my sources.list ? |
| 21:09.40 | valdyn_ | shad0w1e: #ubuntu |
| 21:09.46 | eflynn | hi |
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| 21:09.54 | shad0w1e | valdyn_, there's no DEBIAN universe? |
| 21:10.38 | eguzkia | someone knows where i can find driver for wireless card broadcom 4318? |
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| 21:10.46 | valdyn_ | shad0w1e: nope |
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| 21:10.55 | TwistedEmotions | Everytime I run k3b and attempt to start burning a DVD.. (works fine with cd's)... I get the error... Could not find growiofs executable... and I have dvd+rw-tools installed... anyone have any idea what's going on? |
| 21:11.08 | shad0w1e | valdyn_, happen to know if there's one for MEPIS ? |
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| 21:11.23 | TwistedEmotions | The output from k3b shows... TOSHIBA ODD-DVD SD-R5272 1030 (/dev/hdc, ) at /media/cdrom0 [CD-R; CD-RW; CD-ROM; DVD-ROM; DVD-R; DVD-RW; DVD+R; DVD+RW] [DVD-ROM; DVD-R Sequential; DVD-RW Restricted Overwrite; DVD-RW Sequential; DVD+RW; DVD+R; CD-ROM; CD-R; CD-RW] [SAO; TAO; RAW; SAO/R96P; SAO/R96R; RAW/R96R; Restricted Overwrite] |
| 21:11.57 | valdyn_ | TwistedEmotions: you are running k3b with sudo |
| 21:12.09 | TwistedEmotions | valdyn_: yes... |
| 21:12.13 | ndee | how can I configure my mailboxes in courier-imap? |
| 21:12.18 | TwistedEmotions | valdyn_: otherwise it wont start.. ;( |
| 21:12.24 | valdyn_ | TwistedEmotions: run 'sudo growisofs' that will explain things |
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| 21:12.46 | TwistedEmotions | Ahh... |
| 21:12.54 | linkan | Hello, anyone can help me with a problem I have with Wine compiling? |
| 21:13.14 | TwistedEmotions | valdyn_: so I need to fix k3b to run without sudo? |
| 21:13.31 | doomster | can anyone recommend a working external DVDWriter? |
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| 21:13.58 | valdyn_ | TwistedEmotions: thats one solution |
| 21:14.05 | EdLin | shad0w1e: Debian doesn't need a Universe, as it's not divided, as Ubuntu is, into supported and not-supported repositories |
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| 21:14.47 | bucky | TwistedEmotions: dpkg-reconfigure cdrecord and read the dialog boxes |
| 21:15.25 | bucky | if you want to change it |
| 21:15.32 | TwistedEmotions | bucky: thanks |
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| 21:16.21 | ic1 | imagine that!! Valdyn: i followed the instructions that dpkg gave me and its now upgrading me to a stable version...i didnt know i had a testing version...but it seems to be werking |
| 21:16.47 | RainbowW | does anybody here speak procmail? i'd like to rewrite From: abbydisc-[^@]*@goldblatt.net into From: abbydisc@goldblatt.net ... how? |
| 21:16.47 | valdyn_ | !win ic1 |
| 21:16.48 | dpkg | Congratulations, ic1! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 21:17.16 | TwistedEmotions | How do I set it so that k3b can write to the directory '/home/linux/.ICEauthority'? |
| 21:17.39 | shad0w1e | thanks people... |
| 21:17.41 | doomster | don't run it as root? |
| 21:17.45 | TwistedEmotions | chroot /home/linux/.ICEauthority |
| 21:18.00 | valdyn_ | umm |
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| 21:18.24 | TwistedEmotions | or I mean chmod /home/linux/.ICEauthority ?? |
| 21:18.25 | ic1 | what is !win? |
| 21:18.43 | blondie | lose |
| 21:18.43 | valdyn_ | ic1: motivated dpkg to contratulate you |
| 21:18.49 | ic1 | hmmm..icc has left the room...thats my other pc...brb |
| 21:18.51 | blondie | where ! = not :P |
| 21:19.01 | blondie | !room |
| 21:19.01 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
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| 21:21.49 | TwistedEmotions | What should /home/blah/.ICEauthority be set to... 777? |
| 21:22.04 | TwistedEmotions | Everything in /home/ should be 777 right? |
| 21:22.06 | lxIT | sombody installed openoffice 2 using apt-get allready? |
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| 21:22.31 | valdyn_ | TwistedEmotions: no |
| 21:22.51 | valdyn_ | TwistedEmotions: 600 |
| 21:22.52 | doomster | TwistedEmotions, RTFM of chown and chmod |
| 21:22.57 | lightbright | lxIT: wwhen did openoffice 2 come out? |
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| 21:23.23 | hjack | Okay, so Ihaven't booted up linux in forever and I forgot al my pw |
| 21:23.32 | TwistedEmotions | doomster: I understand hwo to set them.. I just dont know what is the RIGHT setting... what home directory should ne set to.. |
| 21:23.32 | wireddd | ok some how I have the libqt3c102-mt package installed and I want to replace it with libqt3-mt how can I do this with out haveing to remove all of kde? |
| 21:23.34 | lightbright | hjack: sure you did :P |
| 21:23.44 | hjack | I am using a live distro and tried editing the root hash in /etc/shadow but not having luck |
| 21:23.50 | hjack | here is the line I used |
| 21:24.00 | valdyn_ | wireddd: why would you want to do that? |
| 21:24.07 | hjack | lol lightbright |
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| 21:24.14 | hjack | I knew it would look like that |
| 21:24.24 | hjack | let me show you my line and tell me if it looks right |
| 21:24.30 | blondie | you can reset the root password without doing that |
| 21:24.33 | blondie | (usually) |
| 21:24.34 | wireddd | because libqt3-mt is a newer version and I need it |
| 21:24.36 | eliteforce | ahm what package do i need for the svn server? |
| 21:24.42 | doomster | TwistedEmotions, if you knew what 777 implicates, you wouldn't ask that or you are totally unconcerned about security. |
| 21:24.54 | lightbright | hjack: ;) |
| 21:24.56 | diana | I want to make an it resume, and have a premade template that I can just fill-out/edit...I don't want to do it from scratch...Does openoffice have templates or abiword? |
| 21:25.24 | lightbright | hjack: thats a good question! can a person ever boot into Debian if they dont know the password? |
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| 21:25.40 | TwistedEmotions | doomster: all read write delete access... |
| 21:25.43 | Frankablu | TwistedEmotions: 700 |
| 21:25.53 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 21:25.53 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. |
| 21:25.53 | TwistedEmotions | Frankablu: thank you.. |
| 21:26.00 | hjack | lightbright : |
| 21:26.02 | hjack | root:*:13097:0::: |
| 21:26.35 | hjack | That should have root as a null value right? |
| 21:26.36 | hjack | blank? |
| 21:26.53 | blondie | umm |
| 21:27.11 | hjack | Let me say I am complety freaking new at linux |
| 21:27.17 | hjack | and am feeling my way around here |
| 21:27.31 | bob2 | in your pants. |
| 21:27.35 | blondie | lol |
| 21:27.47 | bob2 | hjack: no need to edit the files manually |
| 21:27.50 | wireddd | what is the difference between libqt3c102-mt and libqt3-mt? |
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| 21:28.05 | hjack | okay then what should I do? |
| 21:28.17 | valdyn_ | wireddd: its compiled that was used |
| 21:28.20 | valdyn_ | wireddd: its compiler that was used |
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| 21:28.40 | wireddd | thats it? |
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| 21:29.18 | zimnyx | I have host myhost.com. i want the site to be available at site.myhost.com. Do i need to run DNS server on that box? |
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| 21:29.48 | bucky | doesn't libqt3c102-mt have internationalization support? |
| 21:30.15 | bucky | the mt means multi threaded as opposed to libqt3c102 |
| 21:30.23 | wireddd | that I understand |
| 21:30.48 | bucky | apt-cache show libqt3c102-mt |
| 21:30.51 | wireddd | but it seems that applications tend to require one or the other |
| 21:31.01 | staniel | hey guys.. the other day I cam in here and asked about why my network card may be losing its connection all the time... someone had suggested bad ram, but memtest86 shows that the memory is good |
| 21:31.13 | staniel | is there any other reason why I might be losing a networking connection? |
| 21:31.15 | blondie | maybe it's a bad network card :P |
| 21:31.19 | blondie | or cable |
| 21:31.19 | bucky | bad cat cable |
| 21:31.21 | blondie | or switch/hub |
| 21:31.23 | doomster | wireddd, you generally can't mix different (versions of) C++ compilers, the 'c102' signifies a certain version. |
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| 21:31.29 | hellkat | I knows its not exactly a debian problem, but My computer has started restarting itself every 20 mins or so (although it can become more frequent or rare, depending on things). I have seen it crash during POST (Which is before the operating system, so it cant be that), and its getting more fequent. does anyone have any ideas as to what my problem is? |
| 21:31.36 | leaf__ | ok \ |
| 21:31.42 | staniel | I've never had a problem with any of the networking equipment before though |
| 21:31.48 | leaf__ | i am here on debian |
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| 21:31.59 | valdyn_ | !abi |
| 21:31.59 | dpkg | well, abi is application binary interface. |
| 21:32.04 | yay-yay | i really should know this, but as root, is there any way to see another shell's execution environment (ie, variables, etc)? |
| 21:32.05 | doomster | hellkat, don't overclock. |
| 21:32.11 | hjack | lightbright: Any ideas what I should do? |
| 21:32.15 | leaf__ | yahoo |
| 21:32.19 | hellkat | doomster, I thought it was that, but i brought it down to normal settings |
| 21:32.20 | valdyn_ | wireddd: google debian abi transition |
| 21:32.20 | hjack | I really don't want to re-install |
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| 21:32.43 | leaf__ | trying to figure out how to add higher resolutions |
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| 21:32.59 | doomster | hellkat, you already ran memtest86 or similar on it? |
| 21:32.59 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 21:33.00 | dpkg | <TheCrazedLog> So anyone got any pearls of wisdom they care to pass on? <TheCrazedLog> that are relevant to my problem =P <sussudio> don't eat the yellow snow |
| 21:33.13 | nimak | i'm trying to move the contents of my small linux partition to where my large windows partiton is now, how can i do this, and get grub to read the configuration file where it is now? |
| 21:33.20 | hellkat | doomster, i dont know how, how do I do that? |
| 21:33.33 | bob2 | hjack: boot using the livecd, chroot into your system, run 'passwd' |
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| 21:33.36 | doomster | !memtest86 |
| 21:33.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, memtest86 is http://memtest86.com/ |
| 21:33.48 | bob2 | hjack: chroot = 'chroot /wherver/you/mounted/your/hard/disk/ /bin/bash' |
| 21:33.57 | yay-yay | e.g., i am logged into a server five times via ssh. if i'm not actually sitting in front of four of those shells, is there any way i can access their environment variables from the fifth? |
| 21:33.59 | hjack | ok |
| 21:34.03 | hellkat | doomster, it just started happening a week ago |
| 21:34.08 | liable | nimak: read the hard drive upgrade mini howto |
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| 21:34.46 | mikeX | is there away to 'append' an old thunderbird inbox to my current one? |
| 21:34.47 | beardy | yay-yay: use screen next time |
| 21:34.52 | nimak | thanks, liable |
| 21:34.55 | hellkat | doomster, i used to have this problem, and i ran something like that a while ago |
| 21:35.18 | hjack | oot@box:/# passwd |
| 21:35.18 | hjack | passwd: Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info. |
| 21:35.19 | hjack | root@box:/# |
| 21:35.20 | hellkat | doomster, could it be the lack of fans? but then why would it start happening frequently? |
| 21:35.21 | hjack | :/ |
| 21:35.37 | bkhl | yay-yay: with Screen, you can log in to the same session from different locations. |
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| 21:35.43 | yay-yay | beardy: ya no kidding |
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| 21:35.47 | doomster | hellkat, seriously, that sounds like a hardware issue. If you're lucky, it's only running outside the specs so you need to turn down one of the timing params clockspeed. |
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| 21:35.51 | noloK | hi |
| 21:35.57 | bob2 | hjack: erk, did you edit /etc/shadow or /etc/passwd? |
| 21:36.10 | doomster | hellkat, if you aren't lucky, the hardware itself is bad. |
| 21:36.11 | ic1 | I have a question about LOCALES? i am supposed to choose them but i dont know what they are!? |
| 21:36.24 | yay-yay | bkhl, yep, i know. sucks. |
| 21:36.31 | hellkat | doomster, i dont even have the slightest idea to turn down one of my timing params clockspeed. can you help me? |
| 21:36.36 | yay-yay | i need to unmount a volume remotely |
| 21:36.37 | bosman | ic1: language version |
| 21:36.38 | noloK | any opinions why i have two tmpfs mounted ? one 126MB and the other 10MB |
| 21:36.38 | lxIT | !openoffice |
| 21:36.38 | yay-yay | but it's busy |
| 21:36.38 | dpkg | methinks openoffice.org is an LGPL office productivity suite based upon Sun's StarOffice. OpenOffice.org 2 is in unstable. See #debian-oo #openoffice.org http://openoffice.debian.net or http://www.openoffice.org |
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| 21:37.02 | hjack | shadow |
| 21:37.07 | valdyn_ | ic1: they determine in which language applications will display their messages and which character set will be used |
| 21:37.07 | bkhl | yay-yay: I don't think knowing the environment will help there. |
| 21:37.10 | hjack | bob2 the shadow file |
| 21:37.15 | bkhl | yay-yay: just kill the other sessions instead. |
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| 21:37.29 | doomster | hellkat, one of them is the processor speed. Turn it down. Another is RAM timing parameters, set them to something slower in your BIOS settings. |
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| 21:37.37 | yay-yay | bkhl: i can't unmount a volume remotely because one of those four shells' CWD; i just wanted to know which one to kill instead of blindly killing them all :) |
| 21:37.42 | beardy | !umount |
| 21:37.42 | dpkg | somebody said umount was "device is busy errors"? try fuser -km <mount point> and then umount... |
| 21:37.44 | valdyn_ | noloK: doesnt 'df -a' tell you that? |
| 21:37.48 | yay-yay | bkhl that's all |
| 21:37.57 | hellkat | doomster, thanks for the help. |
| 21:38.02 | naphex | yay-yay: maybe lsof can help |
| 21:38.19 | bkhl | yay-yay: lsof _can_ help. |
| 21:38.39 | ic1 | bosman: is it language as in speach or programming? |
| 21:38.53 | yay-yay | naphex, nah, i tried! |
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| 21:39.14 | beardy | yay-yay: tried what? |
| 21:39.14 | mikeX | ic1, it's used mainly for selecting the translation of messages for applications that support it |
| 21:39.14 | bkhl | yay-yay: there was a nice article on lsof on newsforge recently. |
| 21:39.21 | bosman | ic1: speach |
| 21:39.31 | yay-yay | bkhl, it's an NFS-mounted volume..... stale handle is causing it to be unaccessible |
| 21:39.39 | bob2 | hjack: undo whatever you did |
| 21:39.48 | hjack | lol |
| 21:39.50 | hjack | shit |
| 21:39.55 | mikeX | ic1, if your locale is el_GR for example, then applications supporting locales will display their messages in greek (if there are available translations) |
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| 21:40.05 | ic1 | bosman: which should i choose for english? |
| 21:40.07 | noloK | valdyn_, yes, one is mounted in /dev, the other in /dev/shm |
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| 21:40.22 | yay-yay | beardy, tried using lsof on my server to see which process is using /mnt/booter as it's working directory :) |
| 21:40.40 | mikeX | ic1, C or some UTF-8 varian should be fine |
| 21:40.43 | valdyn_ | noloK: then what question remains? |
| 21:40.45 | ic1 | mikeX: what should i choose for eng? |
| 21:40.46 | beardy | yay-yay: yes, and did you see it? |
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| 21:41.03 | mikeX | s/varian/variant |
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| 21:41.13 | ic1 | i have like : af_ZA.UTF8 UTF-8 |
| 21:41.14 | noloK | valdyn_, with 2.4 kernel i noticed that i have one tmpfs... |
| 21:41.29 | noloK | after the compilation of 2.6 there are two |
| 21:41.48 | valdyn_ | noloK: ok.. 2.4 doesnt support udev and you seem to have udev installed, which will create that /dev ramdisk |
| 21:41.50 | mikeX | ic1, how did you get that? you could try 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' and select the ones you require |
| 21:42.05 | yay-yay | beardy: nope.... maybe no shell is in that directory?? |
| 21:42.09 | valdyn_ | noloK: /dev/shm is a feature of your libc6 and 2.6 kernels used for IPC |
| 21:42.15 | mikeX | e.g. en_US-UTF8 (for utf8 english) |
| 21:42.32 | ic1 | that is what i am in...its a gui that loaded automativally when i apt-get ditro-upgrade'd |
| 21:42.36 | yay-yay | beardy: i don't see why else it would be busy/unmountable, unless NFS is just all jacked up ;) |
| 21:42.38 | valdyn_ | !ipc |
| 21:42.39 | mikeX | ic1, I think posix locale 'C' is always there too, which should be fine |
| 21:42.39 | dpkg | from memory, ipc is Interprocess Communication, for which System V provides an implementation (whose message queues really suck, use UNIX sockets in SOCK_DGRAM mode instead for that); this is typically called System V IPC. It provides message queues, shared memory, and semaphores. |
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| 21:42.58 | noloK | valdyn_, ok, thanks i will read about it |
| 21:43.04 | randyw1 | hello |
| 21:43.32 | ic1 | mikeX: ohh...duh...if i would have scrolled down far enough, en_US UTF-8 is already selected!! |
| 21:43.44 | valdyn_ | noloK: each ramdisks size only determines its maximum, real size is only what whatever is in it consumes |
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| 21:43.47 | gteppel | I'm in a quandry... I've used KDE in the past and find it just to messy to look at, I love the simplicity of gnome! However KDE seems to be faster, window minizming/maxamizing transitions are nice and smooth and the gui is more responsive. I realize that most of this has to do with the window manager and the blame doesn't rest completely on the desktop enviroment. What other window managers are out there that will provide nicer looki |
| 21:43.48 | gteppel | ng gui animations and will just generally speed up my desktop. I find gnome is unbearbley slow and I have a AMD 1800XP, 768 RAM, and Geforce4 128MB video card. I hate to make the comparison but I'm looking for the way Windows and OSX feels, not looks, but just feels. Hope I'm making sense!, any help would be appreciated! |
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| 21:44.13 | beardy | damn.. |
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| 21:44.35 | valdyn_ | gteppel: kde is skinnable |
| 21:44.36 | noloK | i left accidently :) |
| 21:44.40 | beardy | gteppel: What is your point? |
| 21:44.49 | noloK | valdyn_, repeat the last sentence please :) |
| 21:45.02 | valdyn_ | noloK: each ramdisks size only determines its maximum, real size is only what whatever is in it consumes |
| 21:45.07 | mikeX | gteppel, well windows feels bad, so forget about that : P, I use openbox with gnome |
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| 21:45.23 | mikeX | gteppel, openbox --replace, then save your session, and it should be default now |
| 21:45.33 | atrus | gteppel: what do you mean by "unbearably slow" exactly? i'm on a duron 850, and gnome isn't "unbearably slow" to me. |
| 21:45.41 | Kerr | 'lo .. i'm looking to share he net with my olde windows 98 laptop; got a 2nd nick installed and a cable running between them. A quick googling revealed firestarter. I'm using etch and a 2.6 kernel. before i look into it, are there any easier/better ways ? |
| 21:46.01 | mikeX | gteppel, and I doubt speed has to do that much with the window manager |
| 21:46.08 | noloK | valdyn_, i see, thank you |
| 21:46.11 | valdyn_ | gteppel: if you just mean that gnome applications start slowly, then say so |
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| 21:46.24 | mikeX | gteppel, as an alternative, you could try xfce4 |
| 21:46.25 | gteppel | atrus: for example if i go to slashdot in firefox and open a story and try and scroll down the computer can't keep up with me |
| 21:46.36 | mikeX | gteppel, it's gtk based hence looks kinda like gnome, only it's much lighter |
| 21:46.52 | gteppel | if i drag a window around over the desktop my cpu jumps up to 70% |
| 21:46.55 | mikeX | gteppel, you can still use konqueror from gnome |
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| 21:46.59 | beardy | gteppel: Well, as said, windows feels like shit, and osx feels like gnome. Try a few windowmanagers. |
| 21:47.03 | atrus | gteppel: firefox doesn't really have anything to do with gnome |
| 21:47.10 | mikeX | gteppel, you can disable window contents while dragging |
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| 21:47.30 | valdyn_ | i doubt kde would be any faster moving windows around opaque |
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| 21:47.57 | valdyn_ | gteppel: or are you referring to kde in a different installation? |
| 21:47.58 | puetzk | valdyn_: one thing that comes to mind would be if gnome has turned on compositing effects |
| 21:48.03 | mikeX | gteppel, maybe you should consider nvidia's propriatery drivers for your video card |
| 21:48.12 | gteppel | mikeX: i have them installed |
| 21:48.13 | puetzk | (I don't actualyl know if it even supports that, but I know the KDE in debian does) |
| 21:48.23 | valdyn_ | puetzk: not with his gfx card |
| 21:48.23 | puetzk | and they're dog slow |
| 21:49.06 | mikeX | gteppel, well then try all the other things I mentioned : ) |
| 21:49.25 | gteppel | i'll give them a try |
| 21:49.55 | mikeX | gteppel, I think openbox is about as light a window manager as you can get without loosing functionality |
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| 21:50.16 | gteppel | alright thanks i'll give that a try first |
| 21:50.41 | mikeX | gteppel, make sure you install 'obconf' as well, it's a gui for configuring it |
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| 21:50.55 | valdyn_ | gteppel: your gfx card is *way* to fast to have any issues as you are telling us ( if driven properly ) |
| 21:50.59 | gteppel | sorry for bitching, but its hard to quantify my problems. Gnome just feels slow, my wife has a iBook and it just seems more responsive with regards to any interaction with the gui |
| 21:51.05 | mikeX | and there is also an openbox-themes package if you don't like it's decorations |
| 21:51.07 | gteppel | mikeX: ok |
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| 21:52.37 | valdyn_ | puetzk: how do you 'see' composite effects in kde ( just curious ) |
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| 21:53.03 | TiMiDo | valdyn_ ?? |
| 21:53.51 | mikeX | btw, is there a logical explenation for fonts being really lame on an LG 19'' tf with debian, but just fine in windows? |
| 21:53.54 | valdyn_ | TiMiDo: hmm? what's unclear about my question? i'd just like to compare visuals for myself.. |
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| 21:54.11 | valdyn_ | mikeX: which fonts? |
| 21:54.17 | puetzk | valdyn_: Desktop:Window Behavior control panel, translucency tab |
| 21:54.24 | valdyn_ | puetzk: thanks |
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| 21:54.48 | deonya | is there a way to have a progress bar when starting up rather than showing dmesg |
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| 21:55.05 | puetzk | your Xserver has to have COMPOSITE turned on, and it's quite appallingly slow (not as bad if you have the experimental xorg + Exa turned on, but then it's buggy instead) |
| 21:55.21 | puetzk | which, I suppose, would be why that's still prerelease :-) |
| 21:55.22 | mikeX | valdyn_, first of all i'm reffering to sarge and xfree, and second, I guess all truetype fonts (even mscorefonts), it's not really my problem, so I can't be positive |
| 21:55.34 | harsszeg | kde is dog slow with my debian run p166 with 32 ram... |
| 21:55.43 | erik__ | hello. i want irc on my server. what server is the best for irc-server beginners like me? |
| 21:55.58 | bob2 | hah |
| 21:56.13 | valdyn_ | mikeX: apt-get install x-ttcidfont-conf and follow instructions, apt-get install fontconfig ( or dpkg-reconfigure on both packages ) |
| 21:56.14 | deonya | erik__: apt-get install ircd-ircu |
| 21:56.14 | puetzk | harsszeg: try a widget theme that doesn't require all the gradients. I used to run it with light v2 on a smaller machine than that ;_-) |
| 21:56.15 | bob2 | erik__: hybrid-oftc seemed pretty simple to get going last I tried |
| 21:56.37 | harsszeg | ok |
| 21:56.38 | puetzk | also, just use a flat color for the desktop background to get a few megs back |
| 21:56.49 | mikeX | xmm valdyn_, I'll pass that on, thanks |
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| 21:57.42 | erik__ | I have ircd-icu installed, but it seems really much I have to configure in ircd.conf... thats not that good |
| 21:58.19 | bob2 | if you have 3200x1200 of monitor, I bet you can afford to burn 15MB of ram |
| 21:58.21 | Nirga1 | did anyone got problem with kaffe default charset? My $LANG environment settings seems to have lost its impact recently in debian unstable... |
| 21:58.22 | bob2 | (bastard!) |
| 21:58.31 | puetzk | bob2: yeah, there is that :-0 |
| 21:58.34 | djp | if i use evolution to retrieve local mail using local delivery, is a log kept of all retrieval attempts? |
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| 21:58.38 | paco_ | hi |
| 21:59.14 | ndee | following scenario: I have my own domain and have my own root server. If I want to host my own domain, all I need is courier-imap and exim4, correct? |
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| 21:59.28 | puetzk | on the other hand, it is 25% of my VRAM (and a nother 25% for the framebuffer itself) |
| 21:59.28 | TiMiDo | correct ndee |
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| 21:59.47 | Zugschlus | ndee: you also need knowledge |
| 21:59.56 | ndee | Zugschlus: yeah, that's what I thought ;) |
| 22:00.00 | Zugschlus | which you have just proven not to have |
| 22:00.02 | bob2 | ndee: you don't have your own root server |
| 22:00.05 | SimonRaven | and i doubt you have a root server |
| 22:00.13 | ndee | well, I do |
| 22:00.20 | bob2 | ndee: running courier-imap and exim4 is enough to receive and send mail for a domain tho, yes |
| 22:00.26 | puetzk | SimonRaven: I assumed he meant root on a server |
| 22:00.30 | bob2 | do you mean "serer you have root on"? |
| 22:00.31 | Zugschlus | bob2, SimonRaven, "root server" is in Germany a product name for a cheap rental server in a colo |
| 22:00.35 | SimonRaven | no, he meant . |
| 22:00.36 | puetzk | indeed, he almost certainly doesn't have a root server |
| 22:00.37 | bob2 | Zugschlus: ahh |
| 22:00.40 | ndee | I have a root server as in, I can do with the server what ever I want :D |
| 22:00.43 | SimonRaven | oh |
| 22:00.45 | ic1 | when setting up samba, should i use encrypted passwords? |
| 22:00.55 | ndee | puetzk: why do u think? |
| 22:00.56 | deadcat | cdrecord -scanbus dont work no more? |
| 22:00.59 | SimonRaven | nm then, sorry |
| 22:01.10 | Zugschlus | bob2: he doesn't need an IMAP server to receive and send e-mail |
| 22:01.25 | bob2 | ic1: dunno, but I hear #samba is good if no one else here knows |
| 22:01.32 | bob2 | Zugschlus: right |
| 22:01.42 | shad0wcat | since when do we not know stuff here? |
| 22:01.48 | shad0wcat | catching us when we're awake |
| 22:01.51 | bob2 | deadcat: if it's a 2.6 kernel and an IDE device, cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc, or whatever |
| 22:01.51 | shad0wcat | now that's another matter |
| 22:02.09 | ic1 | neat thanks |
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| 22:02.31 | ndee | well, so I installed qmail a year ago with the installation guide of qmailrocks.org but now, I want to get rid of it and it's a pita somehow. I can use vpopmail with courier-imap too I guess |
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| 22:02.51 | puetzk | ndee: because there's only 13 of those. {a-m}.root-servers.net |
| 22:03.02 | puetzk | and if you ran one of them, you'd know what you needed to run email :-) |
| 22:03.13 | ndee | puetzk: aha, sorry, yeah, Zugschlus is correct, in Germany/Switzerland, we use that description alot |
| 22:03.15 | SimonRaven | indeed |
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| 22:03.42 | SimonRaven | cool, learn something every day :) |
| 22:03.42 | ndee | sorry for the confusion |
| 22:03.50 | Zugschlus | it's still a wrong name |
| 22:03.50 | mikeX | is it possible to 'append' an older Thunderbird inbox to my current one? |
| 22:03.52 | paco_ | i only have the line deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib and i can't install a kernel form the 2.6 series, what line i should add? |
| 22:03.55 | Zugschlus | but of course chosen by Marketing droids |
| 22:04.03 | puetzk | well, maybe if you verisign's... |
| 22:04.04 | ndee | Zugschlus: yep. |
| 22:04.04 | bob2 | mikeX: hm, aren't they normal mboxes? |
| 22:04.11 | TiMiDo | paco_ apt-setup |
| 22:04.14 | bob2 | paco_: apt-cache search linux-image? |
| 22:04.24 | paco_ | but i want the source |
| 22:04.34 | puetzk | ndee: fwiw, I like dovecot better than courier as an IMAP server for simple setups (namely those where the accounts are all local users) |
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| 22:04.47 | puetzk | but you use what you like |
| 22:04.50 | mikeX | bob2, are they? thunderbird has some .msf files etc |
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| 22:04.51 | puetzk | or what you know :-) |
| 22:04.57 | TiMiDo | apt-cache search and then u do apt-get source kernel-image |
| 22:05.06 | mikeX | bob2, so if they are can I just cat inbox1 inbox2 > newinbox? |
| 22:05.07 | bob2 | ndee: anyway, exim4 is quite easy to setup, just remove qmailand 'sudo apt-get install exim4-daemon-light' |
| 22:05.13 | paco_ | ok thanks |
| 22:05.16 | bob2 | mikeX: ah, my mistake |
| 22:05.24 | hidari | Where is xorg? I type 'apt-get install xserver-xorg' and it's not there. I don't see it in search either. |
| 22:05.31 | bob2 | paco_: the source packages are named like linux-source |
| 22:05.35 | TiMiDo | !tell hidari about xorg |
| 22:05.37 | bob2 | hidari: the new X implementation in testing and unstable |
| 22:05.39 | staniel | how can I force my network card to half duplex mode? |
| 22:05.45 | paco_ | ok bob2 i will trity it |
| 22:05.46 | bob2 | well, new is a bad choice of word |
| 22:05.50 | bob2 | staniel: mii-tool may be able to |
| 22:05.51 | ndee | I installed exim4, also work with smtp auth. But somehow, I'm now a little bit stuck with courier-imap. I can login with telnet to my mailbox but I don't have any messages left. |
| 22:05.52 | hidari | is sarge considered stable now? |
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| 22:06.01 | puetzk | hidari: indeed |
| 22:06.03 | thingfish | hidari: yes |
| 22:06.04 | hidari | OH |
| 22:06.05 | Zugschlus | ndee: you need to tell exim to deliver to a Maildir |
| 22:06.06 | hidari | I see now |
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| 22:06.19 | thingfish | hidari: etch is the new testing. |
| 22:06.21 | SimonRaven | you'll daemon-heavy for that i think |
| 22:06.22 | bob2 | ndee: where is courier looking for mail? |
| 22:06.28 | bob2 | ndee: /etc/courier-something |
| 22:06.29 | hidari | what's the name of the new unstable debian? |
| 22:06.32 | SimonRaven | want* |
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| 22:06.36 | Zugschlus | ndee: see man update-exim4.conf |
| 22:06.39 | Zugschlus | hidari: sid |
| 22:06.43 | thingfish | hidari: unstable is always called sid. |
| 22:06.44 | puetzk | hidari: sid, as always |
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| 22:06.51 | hidari | it doesn't have a name like woody or sarge did yet? |
| 22:06.57 | thingfish | yes, it's sid. |
| 22:07.01 | mikeX | bob2, it's a binary file : ( |
| 22:07.04 | hidari | k |
| 22:07.04 | ndee | ah, MAILDIRPATH, I found something. So, I'm also using vpopmail, is that a problem?` |
| 22:07.06 | hidari | thx for info |
| 22:07.06 | lightbright | can I install kernel 2.6.14.2 on Sarge? |
| 22:07.07 | Zugschlus | hidari: it's sid |
| 22:07.08 | thingfish | that's a name from toy story, just like the others. |
| 22:07.18 | hidari | so do I put sid or unstable in my sources.list |
| 22:07.19 | puetzk | testing is now "etch", and will be the next stable in time |
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| 22:07.29 | puetzk | or you can just say stable/testing/unstable |
| 22:07.30 | Zugschlus | hidari: if you don't know that, you dont want to use Debian unstable |
| 22:07.33 | puetzk | though the names are fun |
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| 22:07.40 | deadcat | bob2: can i similate a burn without a blank cd in the tray? |
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| 22:08.09 | Coweater | it doesnt' matter with sid, it'll always be unstable |
| 22:08.17 | hidari | i'll do unstable. I've been using Ubuntu for too long and it started pissing me off so now it's back to debian and I have to relearn it a little |
| 22:08.36 | lightbright | hidari: whats wrong with unbuntu? |
| 22:08.54 | hidari | i'm running into problems with the bleeding edge software |
| 22:08.56 | lightbright | hidari: I use Debian myself, but im curious, |
| 22:08.56 | lightbright | lightbright hidari: |
| 22:09.04 | hidari | like freevo wants python 2.3 but ubuntu has 2.4 |
| 22:09.04 | Dr_Fie | linux is all the same i dont know what's to relearn |
| 22:09.07 | lightbright | hidari: whats bleeding edge software? |
| 22:09.08 | hidari | and other little problems like that |
| 22:09.12 | bob2 | deadcat: hm, I dunno |
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| 22:09.21 | djp | is a log kept when retrieving mail using local delivery with evolution? |
| 22:09.27 | Dr_Fie | hidari: you have to enable the universal package repository |
| 22:09.30 | Dr_Fie | but anyway |
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| 22:09.40 | Dr_Fie | so like... i cant figure out how i filled up my 40 gig hard drive |
| 22:09.41 | lightbright | hidari: cant you uninstall python 2.4 and install python 2.3? |
| 22:09.43 | Dr_Fie | i'm not using linux for anything |
| 22:09.43 | hidari | Dr_Fie: I have those in my sources.lists |
| 22:09.44 | harsszeg | every time I reboot, I have to kill diald to be able to connect to the net.how can I kill it for good? |
| 22:09.49 | Dr_Fie | i isntalled like.. gnome.. and stuff... |
| 22:09.57 | Dr_Fie | i cant figure out where it's all gone |
| 22:10.04 | hidari | lightbright: tried that, but didn't work and looked it up on some forums and others say it doesn't work either |
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| 22:10.13 | deonya | what is the command to apply a patch |
| 22:10.15 | lightbright | hidari: i see, ok |
| 22:10.17 | hidari | lightbright: just put me in dependency hell for a little bit |
| 22:10.22 | robin_sz | deonya: patch |
| 22:10.23 | lightbright | hidari: :) |
| 22:10.32 | lightbright | hidari: is unbuntu good for beginners? |
| 22:10.38 | Coweater | Dr_Fie: du -sh /*, go down through your tree until you narrow the source down |
| 22:10.52 | deonya | say i wanted to apply patch n.n to kernel what do i type |
| 22:10.53 | hidari | ubuntu is great, but they rushed breezy and it has a ton of problems |
| 22:10.55 | ndee | ah crap, I just gonna re-install courier-imap and reconfigure everything |
| 22:10.55 | Dr_Fie | Coweater: i've been working on that |
| 22:10.59 | hidari | stick with haory |
| 22:11.06 | Dr_Fie | Coweater: ... it's.. ugg.. it's bloody stupid.. how the shit |
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| 22:11.08 | puetzk | Dr_Fie: kdirstat does a very nice job |
| 22:11.09 | bob2 | hidari: they didn't rush anything, it's a time-based release process |
| 22:11.12 | EdLin | hidari: #ubuntu |
| 22:11.16 | SlayerXP | "Naive as it seems (after all I am no admin by profession) |
| 22:11.16 | SlayerXP | first thing I do on a fresh Linux installation is to close most |
| 22:11.16 | SlayerXP | services ending up with a d (for demon) in the end .. specially sshd." |
| 22:11.19 | bob2 | ndee: don't forget to purge it then, so the config files get removed |
| 22:11.20 | Coweater | Dr_Fie: make sense |
| 22:11.22 | jbroome | hidari: really? what kind of problems am i supposed to be seeing with breezy |
| 22:11.23 | hidari | bob2, i know that, but they needed more time i and most people think |
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| 22:11.28 | bob2 | SlayerXP: good planning |
| 22:11.31 | ndee | bob2: yep, did that |
| 22:11.33 | bob2 | SlayerXP: remote admin is for girls! |
| 22:11.33 | lightbright | hidari: what type of problems does it have? |
| 22:11.40 | hidari | reguardless ubuntu is great, but for the things I'm doing with it, it's giving me problems |
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| 22:11.53 | animalizm | hello |
| 22:11.54 | robin_sz | bob2: really? remote admin for girls? ... where can I get a copy? |
| 22:12.06 | hidari | I use some packages that still rely on some old things and ubuntu has all the new stuff |
| 22:12.07 | bob2 | hahaha |
| 22:12.13 | jbroome | it uses boobie authentication |
| 22:12.18 | animalizm | how to compile |
| 22:12.24 | hidari | like pylirc does not work with python 2.4 so I can't use my remote in freevo |
| 22:12.27 | robin_sz | hidari: have you tried whining on #ubuntu? |
| 22:12.31 | hidari | yea |
| 22:12.32 | lightbright | hidari: what type of problems does it have? can you name some? |
| 22:12.35 | hidari | i'm not whing |
| 22:12.36 | animalizm | how to compile my kernel in deb |
| 22:12.39 | hidari | whining |
| 22:12.47 | hidari | they asked a question and I'm answering it |
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| 22:12.48 | TiMiDo | animalizm apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 22:12.50 | Dr_Fie | Coweater: the list of stuff dosn't add up to 40 gigs.. it's more about 7 gigs |
| 22:12.52 | hidari | i'm asking for debian help and now I have it |
| 22:12.54 | KriS83 | Hi |
| 22:12.55 | hidari | thanks for the help |
| 22:13.01 | animalizm | T` |
| 22:13.07 | harsszeg | every time I reboot, I have to kill diald to be able to connect to the net.how can I kill it for good? |
| 22:13.09 | animalizm | TimeRider, thank you |
| 22:13.10 | robin_sz | help, we can always do help |
| 22:13.16 | Dr_Fie | Coweater: /dev/hda1 38265084 37407004 858080 98% / |
| 22:13.19 | [11aa] | how about some info on where did the oldstable jigdo files went |
| 22:13.40 | [11aa] | i am talking woody |
| 22:13.50 | bob2 | harsszeg: just remove it entirely? |
| 22:14.03 | harsszeg | howto? |
| 22:14.11 | blondie | Dr_Fie: there'll be some (5%) space reserved for root |
| 22:14.25 | bob2 | harsszeg: apt-cache search diald, remove it ;) |
| 22:14.44 | KriS83 | I have a question. When wanting to install a debian by a script, and geting the basic system installed via debootstrap. I then need to call tasksel. I do this with "tasksel -risn --new-install" But it still wants user interaction when coming to the locales for example? How could I pre set these? |
| 22:14.47 | robin_sz | harsszeg: apt-get remove diald maybe? |
| 22:14.53 | Dr_Fie | blondie: ... ok.. i have a 40 gig drive.. |
| 22:14.57 | Dr_Fie | that dosn't make up the difference |
| 22:15.14 | blondie | use du |
| 22:15.20 | harsszeg | Will I be able to connect without? |
| 22:15.21 | Dr_Fie | blondie: that's what i'm talking about! |
| 22:15.22 | Dr_Fie | jee |
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| 22:15.25 | Dr_Fie | keep up :P |
| 22:15.36 | bob2 | KriS83: dpkg-reconfigure debconf, set it to criticaland tell it to use the noninteractive frontend |
| 22:15.37 | blondie | you didn't mention du that I can see |
| 22:15.45 | Dr_Fie | blondie: i used DU and it only adds up to about 7 gigs... df says it's taking more about 38 gigs |
| 22:15.50 | blondie | hmm |
| 22:15.56 | robin_sz | harsszeg: do you need diald? ie are you connecting over dialup? |
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| 22:16.09 | blondie | what did you use du on? |
| 22:16.09 | harsszeg | gprs |
| 22:16.17 | Dr_Fie | du -sh /* |
| 22:16.17 | robin_sz | then you need it ... |
| 22:16.19 | KriS83 | bob2, how would I do this via a script? :) |
| 22:16.54 | bob2 | very good question |
| 22:16.56 | harsszeg | but diald disturbes my connection in the logs... |
| 22:16.57 | KriS83 | bob2, I need absolutly no user interaction on installation *g* |
| 22:17.02 | ic1 | the #samba channel is pretty dead..any1 know where i can get a tutor for setting up new users? |
| 22:17.20 | bob2 | KriS83: I gather the installer runs under DEBCONF_FRONTEND=noninteractive |
| 22:17.27 | harsszeg | if I kill it I can connect.. |
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| 22:17.50 | KriS83 | bob2, I'll give that a try.. thanks |
| 22:17.52 | bob2 | KriS83: ah-hah, I'm right |
| 22:17.53 | harsszeg | If I delete it, maybe I cant |
| 22:17.56 | bob2 | KriS83: man 7 debconf |
| 22:17.58 | markybob | ic1, smbpasswd -a username |
| 22:18.07 | delmar | ffs. this is just not good enuf. running linux my cpu is idle at 60degC, and when in use it's 80degC. that is just too hot. Running crappy windows, the fan spins up nice and loud and doesn't get over 60degC under load. what the hell is going on here. |
| 22:18.09 | KriS83 | bob2, thanks :) |
| 22:18.18 | robin_sz | harsszeg: ONE WAY TO FIND OUT ... |
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| 22:18.30 | ic1 | markybob: thanks!! |
| 22:18.44 | bob2 | delmar: what sort of hardware? |
| 22:18.46 | harsszeg | ask on irc |
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| 22:19.11 | delmar | bob2, board wise? it's an asus p5gd1 with a 775 etc. |
| 22:19.13 | thingfish | ic1: man smbpasswd. you can set up all sort of things with it. |
| 22:19.20 | delmar | bobn2, p4 3ghz etc. |
| 22:19.22 | ic1 | ahh... |
| 22:19.37 | ic1 | thanks, i was just gonna ask b/c it said "user is not in database" |
| 22:19.45 | thingfish | like specify the group, password, home dir, all that. |
| 22:19.48 | delmar | bob2, has a winbond w83627ehf sensor chip. |
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| 22:20.14 | bob2 | delmar: does windows ru na special program to keep it cool? |
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| 22:20.30 | ic1 | thingfish, markeybob: this is for changing a pass...what about creating a completely new useR? |
| 22:20.53 | markybob | ic1 it does both. read the man page |
| 22:21.02 | thingfish | ic1: trust us. it's also how you create a new user, exactly as markybob showed you. |
| 22:21.05 | Dr_Fie | http://pastebin.com/428332 |
| 22:21.05 | ic1 | ahh...just did. haha |
| 22:21.09 | delmar | bob2, nope. nothing. just had win2k3 server on it. i biffed it months ago in favor of linux with the win2k3server under vmware-gsx |
| 22:21.14 | ic1 | thnx guys |
| 22:21.21 | delmar | bob2, and had nothing but overheating issues since |
| 22:21.22 | ic1 | i got a few mins of reading to do |
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| 22:21.32 | delmar | bob2, turned off q-fan in bios and everything |
| 22:22.05 | delmar | bob2, i mean, the fan does spin up and start to keep it cool .. but its taking too damn long and even then the during a compile or something.. the CPU sits on 78-80degC |
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| 22:22.28 | bob2 | delmar: are you sure the problem isn't to do with the sensors? |
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| 22:23.29 | signius | what are the tempratures set to in the BIOS ? |
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| 22:24.05 | Dr_Fie | http://pastebin.com/428334 dude, you guys wtf? |
| 22:24.05 | delmar | bob2, well its certainly to do with Linux. if I boot back to a windows platform, and give it some work, fan cranks up nice. in fact its never ever been as loud under linux as it gets in windows. the noise is not a problem.. i want it to spin out of control if it wants.. i just want the cpu running cold. cooler they run.. longer they last. |
| 22:24.06 | signius | You can ussualy set the thresholds to whatever you choose |
| 22:24.14 | deadcat | what do i need in order to burn cd with k3b without sudo? |
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| 22:24.35 | valdyn_ | deadcat: dpkg-reconfigure cdrecord |
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| 22:24.39 | deadcat | ah |
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| 22:24.47 | andys_ | I want to change a single byte on a 30Gig hard disk |
| 22:24.53 | andys_ | is there any utility that will do that for me nicely? |
| 22:24.55 | ic1 | hmmm...i am trying to add the users into the /etc/passwd database (as the man says is required) and it gives me "permission denied" *i am root |
| 22:24.59 | andys_ | :) |
| 22:25.03 | bob2 | andys_: hex editor time, or dd with a huge seek= parameter |
| 22:25.14 | andys_ | :D |
| 22:25.17 | mikeX | bob2, it appears that thunderbird claims to use an mbox format, weird |
| 22:25.19 | andys_ | my TiVo has bricked itself |
| 22:25.20 | markybob | ic1, is that a fact. how are you going about adding a user to your system? |
| 22:25.24 | andys_ | and I want to switch to the backup drive |
| 22:25.32 | bob2 | delmar: are you sure the problem is not that the sensores are lying? |
| 22:25.36 | andys_ | the easiest way seems to be changing the like, 10th byte |
| 22:25.43 | andys_ | to "4" instead of 7 |
| 22:25.44 | deadcat | valdyn_: same as before 4774 |
| 22:25.46 | bob2 | ic1: when doing what? |
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| 22:26.02 | deadcat | valdyn_: i mean 4754 |
| 22:26.08 | ic1 | markybob: i am just trying to open the /ect/passwd to add the user into the list so I can smbpasswd and give them access |
| 22:26.34 | markybob | ic1 use "adduser" if you want to have a new system user (in /etc/passwd) |
| 22:26.38 | kpanic | hi guys, I'm using vlc 0.8.4-test2-2 under debian unstable ppc and set Prefs->Output modules->Alsa audio output but vlc tries always to open /dev/dsp, any clues? |
| 22:26.38 | mikeX | bob2, oh well, I was looking in the wrong folder, at an empty Inbox file, my bad |
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| 22:26.50 | andys_ | how can I copy 512 bytes from hda to a file? |
| 22:26.56 | andys_ | (pardon the stupid question) |
| 22:27.06 | StevenR | andys_: use dd |
| 22:27.23 | markybob | kpanic, no. but you could modprobe snd-pcm-oss as a workaround |
| 22:27.35 | andys_ | cheers, figured it out |
| 22:27.39 | ic1 | markybob: ok..that makes sense..should've picked that one up from all the other reading i did...the man page said it was usually located in /ect/passwd so i tried to go there!! |
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| 22:27.44 | bob2 | mikeX: hah |
| 22:27.48 | kpanic | markybob, yeah, but I'm using the dmix alsa feature |
| 22:27.55 | bob2 | andys_: obviously be very very careful tho :) |
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| 22:28.04 | kpanic | markybob, very very useful |
| 22:28.21 | delmar | bob2, ok lets run with that idea... you thinking that the CPU isn't realyl getting all that hot? when its under load i also get spammed with messages like.. CPU0: Temperature above threshold and CPU0: Running in modulated clock mode... |
| 22:28.39 | bob2 | delmar: ah, I see |
| 22:28.41 | mikeX | bob2, so just to be sure, a simple cat should be enough, right? |
| 22:28.57 | bob2 | delmar: I was only asking because I found the lmsensors drivers to be rather inaccurate |
| 22:29.00 | bob2 | until they were calibrated |
| 22:29.07 | andys_ | bob2 ;) |
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| 22:29.26 | bob2 | mikeX: I'm not confident enough in that to recommend it unless you have backups :) |
| 22:29.33 | delmar | bob2, hrm. ok but, when its under load in windows.. the fan spins up load.. when under load under linux.. it doesnt spin up loud... but the CPU must be gettin hot under load and would need as much fan RPM as under windows when under load.. surely... |
| 22:29.46 | delmar | bob2, 100% usage is 100% usage.. no matter what platform... |
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| 22:29.55 | mikeX | bob2, I see, thanks : ) |
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| 22:30.13 | G | is there any channel for glibc stuff? |
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| 22:30.26 | konfuzed | hey there, i've just did a review of some distros and decided on using Debian |
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| 22:30.43 | ndee | is there a configuration program for courier-imap? I tried something like dpkg-reconfigure courier-imap but nothing comes up. I just want to add one single domain and one simple email address actually :D |
| 22:30.47 | bob2 | good choice! |
| 22:31.01 | bob2 | ndee: courier more or less doesn't care about that by default |
| 22:31.01 | ndee | I'm just wondering why some directories in the /usr/lib/courier folder are missing |
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| 22:31.03 | konfuzed | its mostly for a home server and so im debating about a no X-window install |
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| 22:31.10 | Ohmz | yo ! |
| 22:31.17 | bob2 | ndee: the mail gets delivered to disk by exim4, courier checks your password then hands it to you |
| 22:31.30 | Ohmz | c'est possible de créer son propre BNC ( bouncer ) IRC ? |
| 22:31.33 | bob2 | konfuzed: it's easy to change your mind later |
| 22:31.37 | bob2 | !+french |
| 22:31.38 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
| 22:31.43 | ndee | bob2: but how does it know to which domains it belongs? |
| 22:31.46 | bob2 | delmar: hm, I dunno then, sorry |
| 22:31.50 | konfuzed | but perhaps there are some Debian Graphic Tools that really should be on hand |
| 22:31.52 | bob2 | ndee: it doesn't, by default |
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| 22:32.01 | andys_ | okay, I've modified 512 bytes of my hard drive, how do I copy that back to my hard drive without wiping the rest of it? ;) |
| 22:32.02 | ndee | bob2: hm, ok |
| 22:32.06 | valdyn_ | konfuzed: for setting up things? no |
| 22:32.09 | bob2 | ndee: you give it a username, it looks it up on disk, then hands you mail |
| 22:32.18 | konfuzed | not for pictures but for system management things |
| 22:32.20 | delmar | bob2, i will slog along then. googling about. |
| 22:32.21 | Frederick | folks Im using xmule but it keeps segflaulting saying that clients.met is not present, any ideas? |
| 22:32.24 | valdyn_ | konfuzed: they exist, but they are hardly ever recommended here |
| 22:32.24 | stew | ndee: there is courier-webadmin |
| 22:32.33 | bob2 | Frederick: sid? |
| 22:32.34 | ic1 | markeybob, bob2: i got it!! and it logs in!!! OMG! now all i need to do is figure out why my #2 scsi drive is not detecting! |
| 22:32.42 | bob2 | andys_: you dd'd the entire disk and modified one byte? |
| 22:32.47 | bob2 | ic1: hah, yay |
| 22:32.53 | andys_ | bob2: just 512 bytes ;) |
| 22:32.58 | andys_ | I just hexedited the actual disk... |
| 22:33.02 | Frederick | bob2, last xmule im not into a debian box but I need at least an idea about where to check |
| 22:33.06 | andys_ | possibly cocking it up |
| 22:33.08 | andys_ | whoops :) |
| 22:33.13 | valdyn_ | konfuzed: and chances are very bad to get support for those tools here, so i'd stick to the CLI |
| 22:33.21 | andys_ | right, going to reboot to test it! bye! |
| 22:33.22 | andys_ | :) |
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| 22:33.32 | ndee | stew: gonna check it out |
| 22:33.32 | Kerr | geh.. getting 'WARNING: /etc/modprobe.d/libsane line 1: ignoring bad line starting with 'blacklist'' whenever i try to modprobe, what gives? |
| 22:33.53 | ic1 | can someone tell me the modprobe cmd for mounting an NTFS partition? |
| 22:34.17 | konfuzed | ok well im not so inclined to go with a gui |
| 22:34.46 | stew | ic1: modprobe ntfs |
| 22:34.49 | konfuzed | but these days there is starting to be a shift in focus and so the Grpahic Tools are getting better and more useful |
| 22:35.15 | ic1 | stew: thats it?> dont need to spec sda2 or anything |
| 22:35.16 | Guerin | Kerr: editing /etc/modprobe.d/* is almost never wise |
| 22:35.16 | ic1 | ? |
| 22:35.21 | konfuzed | but no guarantees there of course |
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| 22:35.55 | konfuzed | So with out the gui id like to pull the video card |
| 22:36.09 | konfuzed | debian can be set to run without a video card right |
| 22:36.22 | caphuso | konfuzed: if your hardware supports it |
| 22:36.23 | mikeX | does it make sence that msn clients from windows machines work, but gaim/kopete etc get blocked on campus firewalled network? |
| 22:36.26 | stew | konfuzed: yes. as long as your motherboard is |
| 22:36.34 | hlprmnky | I blew away /etc/udev/* and did 'apt-get --reinstall install udev', now /etc/udev contains only a rules.d file with preamble but no entries, none of the other stuff 'dpkg -L udev' claims should be in /etc/udev/ got copied back in. I'll happily take some cries of "idiot!" "noob!", etc. but I also wouldn't mind some suggestions for how to fix this problem. :) |
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| 22:36.55 | konfuzed | stew: is what ? |
| 22:36.59 | Guerin | mikeX: talk to your admin |
| 22:37.08 | stew | konfuzed: sorry, as long as your motherboard is happy to boot without one |
| 22:37.15 | konfuzed | boot with out video bios support you mean |
| 22:37.21 | caphuso | hlprmnky: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 22:37.22 | konfuzed | ah yes |
| 22:37.28 | stew | hlprmnky: dpkg -P --force-depends udev ; apt-get install udev |
| 22:37.31 | konfuzed | best to verify that picture of it |
| 22:38.13 | mikeX | Guerin, so it can be done? Cause I don't the windows boxes use some special config, the linux box is a custom install (not configured by any admins) |
| 22:38.18 | konfuzed | see the motherboard has an AGP slot but the video card is on PCI and thus a negative factor on the PCI bus |
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| 22:38.44 | ic1 | hmm....how can i give a user access to a /mnt i just created? |
| 22:38.55 | konfuzed | i want to elminate unneeded pci use |
| 22:39.00 | ic1 | and so they can access the info from samba? |
| 22:39.01 | Guerin | mikeX: if all the clients are using the same protocol and port, i don't see why some should be stopped and some not - unless they're blacklisted or somesuch |
| 22:39.05 | shad0w1e | Question: I've got my dual screen setup correctly, however KDE is detecting them as one screen, and all my windows keep popping up slit between the two screen (until I move them). Is there any way around this? |
| 22:39.23 | mikeX | Guerin, that's what I thought (apart from the blacklist part) |
| 22:39.32 | hlprmnky | caphuso: thanks very much |
| 22:39.56 | bob2 | shad0w1e: modern kde? |
| 22:39.56 | shad0w1e | 3.3 |
| 22:40.02 | bob2 | you'd think it'd know about xinerama |
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| 22:40.07 | bob2 | maybe #debian-kde knows |
| 22:40.10 | konfuzed | if the motherboard requires a video card would I be better off putting an AGP card in from the install or just leave it on a pci video card |
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| 22:40.17 | konfuzed | hhhmmmm |
| 22:40.33 | bucky | konfuzed: can you select it in the bios? |
| 22:40.48 | shad0w1e | It just thinks I have a 2048x768 screen |
| 22:40.59 | konfuzed | even if the motherboard requires, should still be able to tell debian to not bother loading video drivers or assigning an irw |
| 22:40.59 | shad0w1e | instead of two 1024x768 screens, |
| 22:41.05 | konfuzed | bucky: dont know yet |
| 22:41.17 | konfuzed | s/irw/irq |
| 22:41.24 | bucky | konfuzed: most motherboards let you choose |
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| 22:41.54 | konfuzed | but I still need a video card for the actual install |
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| 22:42.58 | Marticus | hrm |
| 22:43.09 | Marticus | why is ther eno apache2-dev to replace apache-dev? |
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| 22:43.29 | Marticus | the apxs in apache-dev is too old |
| 22:43.33 | konfuzed | imagine that the two video cards I have are nearly identical |
| 22:43.37 | bob2 | Marticus: because each different apache MPM has a different -dev package |
| 22:43.52 | apogee_XL | hello |
| 22:43.59 | everton | Hi, I've re-installed my system on hda9 and copied my old /home on hda7. How do I remount my old /home? How should I change /etc/fstab? Thanks. |
| 22:44.05 | Marticus | bob2 can you please explain |
| 22:44.11 | Marticus | what is mpm? |
| 22:44.20 | konfuzed | ATI Rage Pro Turbo PCI 215R3PUA33 |
| 22:44.34 | apogee_XL | I need help setting X proper |
| 22:44.42 | ndee | am I just blind or can't I find the courier-webadmin INSTALL file? I think I need some coffee |
| 22:44.44 | konfuzed | ATI Rage Pro Turbo AGP 215R3BUA33 |
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| 22:45.15 | apogee_XL | I can't run at proper refresh rate |
| 22:45.18 | konfuzed | so at least the ati cards are essentially identical |
| 22:45.19 | bob2 | Marticus: apt-cache --names-only search apache2 | grep dev |
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| 22:45.21 | Marticus | I need an apxs that is built for apache2 and since it was in the apache-dev package for 1.3, I have no idea where to get it |
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| 22:45.34 | bob2 | Marticus: what are you trying to do? |
| 22:45.39 | Marticus | oh I got it |
| 22:45.42 | Marticus | build svn |
| 22:45.44 | konfuzed | does debian have any issues to recognize all the parts of ATI Rage Pro? |
| 22:45.46 | Marticus | but that makes sense now |
| 22:45.49 | bob2 | man, I need to finish my postfix/dovecot web thing |
| 22:45.54 | Marticus | mpm, I wondered where I herad that before |
| 22:46.01 | Marticus | bob2: thanks for the reminder |
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| 22:46.11 | Laibsch | !remote X |
| 22:46.11 | dpkg | remote x is probably on the X server do, "xhost +<IP or Hostname of machine running the clients>", on the remote machine do "export DISPLAY=<Host|IP of server>:0.0" where 0.0 is the display.screen. Run the app. Ask me about sshx for more security and ease. |
| 22:46.14 | apogee_XL | marticus :I think you can install apache with the apxs option |
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| 22:46.48 | bob2 | apache2 svn needs apxs? |
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| 22:46.51 | apogee_XL | hey I need HELP |
| 22:47.07 | charlesb_ | hey guys |
| 22:47.09 | bob2 | apogee_XL: you need to ask a QUESTION |
| 22:47.25 | bob2 | apogee_XL: did you try ' dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 '? |
| 22:47.31 | apogee_XL | I think apache2 needs apxs if you need to run your own PHP modules |
| 22:47.34 | Gnea | !tell apogee_XL about ask |
| 22:47.37 | everton | Hi, I've installed my system on hda9 and saved my old /home on hda7. What should I do to use hda7 as /home again? Shoul I only change fstab? |
| 22:47.37 | *** part/#debian juu (n=23@p549FC227.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 22:47.38 | charlesb_ | i wanna download the entire tree to mirror debian locally for my work... how big is it and is there a specific mode of downloading it you guys prefer ? |
| 22:47.53 | bob2 | T_D_B: debmirror is quite excellent |
| 22:47.56 | shad0wcat | !stats etch |
| 22:48.01 | bob2 | T_D_B: a full mirror is...110GB or so |
| 22:48.05 | apogee_XL | bob2 |
| 22:48.06 | T_D_B | that's fine |
| 22:48.11 | shad0wcat | !size sid |
| 22:48.11 | T_D_B | we have 500 gig :D |
| 22:48.12 | bob2 | with < few GB of updates each day |
| 22:48.14 | konfuzed | anyone know of issues with the ATI Rage Pro from 1998 |
| 22:48.15 | shad0wcat | bah |
| 22:48.21 | bob2 | !+debstats |
| 22:48.24 | bob2 | (iirc) |
| 22:48.26 | dpkg | [debstats] managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 22:48.39 | apogee_XL | bob2:yers I run it....and changed resolution to 1024x768 BUT at 60hz refresh |
| 22:48.44 | markybob | T_D_B, http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ftpmirror |
| 22:48.45 | Gnea | everton: you should change fstab, then make sure to move the current /home out of the way, then recreate it and mount the old /home |
| 22:48.49 | T_D_B | so i just use debmirror and it will get everything i need ? |
| 22:48.49 | streuner | konfuzed: what does 'lspci -v | grep VGA' say? |
| 22:48.52 | T_D_B | ahh thnx |
| 22:48.58 | bob2 | T_D_B: yup |
| 22:48.59 | Marticus | bob2: however none of those dev packages contain apxs |
| 22:49.02 | ndee | how can I test if "Your web server doesn't fully implement the Common Gateway Interface (CGI)" ? |
| 22:49.06 | T_D_B | thnx guys |
| 22:49.10 | bob2 | T_D_B: you can limit it by section and arch and a few other things, too. |
| 22:49.13 | Marticus | apogee_XL: what did you mean? |
| 22:49.14 | apogee_XL | bob2:please note I manually entered the hor & vert ranges for my NEC Multisync 75 |
| 22:49.15 | bob2 | ndee: apache does |
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| 22:49.20 | T_D_B | yea i'll take a looksy into that |
| 22:49.22 | T_D_B | thnx a lot |
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| 22:49.27 | bob2 | np |
| 22:49.34 | ndee | bob2: ok, so I have to find the INSTALL file but... asldjlksafkljas |
| 22:49.45 | apogee_XL | marticus:the package you want is apache_dev. |
| 22:49.47 | bob2 | Marticus: oh, and www.debian.org/mirrors/ if you have way too much bandwidth and want your server to be public :-) |
| 22:49.55 | bob2 | ndee: is this courier web thing in Debian? |
| 22:50.01 | EruditeHermit | hi, can anyone help me to get my psmouse module to use the option proto=exps at boot? |
| 22:50.03 | bob2 | er, wrong person |
| 22:50.07 | Gnea | apogee_XL: W: Unable to locate package apache_dev |
| 22:50.18 | Laibsch | I have followed the information given by "!remote X" but still when I launch an xterm on the remote side, I get a " Can't open display: 192.168.100.127:0.0" |
| 22:50.19 | shad0wcat | !info sid |
| 22:50.24 | shad0wcat | bah |
| 22:50.25 | Marticus | apogee_XL: you are thinking of apache-dev |
| 22:50.29 | Marticus | which does have apxs |
| 22:50.31 | bob2 | /etc/modutils/alsa-base:options snd-bt87x index=-2 |
| 22:50.32 | shad0wcat | there's a trigger to check repository size |
| 22:50.33 | apogee_XL | please try synaptic and enter it in description |
| 22:50.34 | Marticus | but it's for 1.3 not 2.x |
| 22:50.38 | Laibsch | The remote connection is over ssh. The -X switch also did not help. |
| 22:50.40 | shad0wcat | I juat can't remember what it is |
| 22:50.43 | bob2 | EruditeHermit: I gather you make a file in /etc/modultiles and use the format above for it |
| 22:50.50 | bob2 | Marticus: what should the bianry be called? |
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| 22:50.54 | apogee_XL | bob2: any ideas about X config ??? |
| 22:50.54 | EruditeHermit | bob2: I did that and it didn't work |
| 22:50.55 | Marticus | apxs |
| 22:51.00 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: what's the "Debian archive stats" factoid? |
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| 22:51.04 | bob2 | !+find bin/apxs |
| 22:51.08 | bob2 | Marticus: you're sure? even for apache2? |
| 22:51.08 | Marticus | unless they did away with that in the newest |
| 22:51.12 | ndee | bob2: yes, I installed it thur apt-get install courier-webadmin |
| 22:51.14 | EruditeHermit | cat /etc/modutils/psmouse |
| 22:51.15 | Marticus | maybe it's different for apache2 |
| 22:51.16 | EruditeHermit | options psmouse proto=exps |
| 22:51.16 | Laibsch | CAn anybody help with remote X connections? |
| 22:51.20 | Marticus | but that is what subversion wants |
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| 22:51.26 | bob2 | EruditeHermit: did you run 'update-modules'? |
| 22:51.27 | Gnea | !tell Laibsch about ask |
| 22:51.30 | EruditeHermit | bob2: yes |
| 22:51.34 | bob2 | Marticus: you know svn is in debian, right? |
| 22:51.37 | bob2 | EruditeHermit: hm, ok |
| 22:51.37 | apogee_XL | bob:r u there ??? |
| 22:51.42 | bob2 | apogee_XL: yes |
| 22:51.44 | EruditeHermit | bob2: I also see the line in /etc/modules.conf |
| 22:51.47 | shad0wcat | !info subversion |
| 22:51.49 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 22:51.52 | stew | bob2: dstats? |
| 22:51.54 | bob2 | EruditeHermit: ah |
| 22:51.54 | shad0wcat | at least that works |
| 22:51.57 | bob2 | stew: oh, right |
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| 22:52.01 | Marticus | bob2: yeah, but not the newest |
| 22:52.02 | Gnea | !rules |
| 22:52.02 | EruditeHermit | bob2: it got autogenerated |
| 22:52.03 | dpkg | [rules] 1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 15 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient. |
| 22:52.07 | Rangitoto | When using OpenOffice.org and other application software, I want to save to a Windows computer on the network. How do I do that? |
| 22:52.11 | frost_ | como me conecto a un servidor por ssh atraves de un proxy? |
| 22:52.28 | Gnea | !es |
| 22:52.35 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:52.40 | apogee_XL | bob2:run dpackage config....enetered manualy the rates for screen ,but got only 60hz at 1024x768 |
| 22:52.47 | frost_ | oks |
| 22:52.50 | frost_ | thanks |
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| 22:52.53 | bob2 | Rangitoto: mount the share (sudo mount -t smbfs -o ro //ipofwindowsmachine/sharename /mnt/localdirectory) |
| 22:53.03 | bob2 | apogee_XL: ok |
| 22:53.12 | bob2 | apogee_XL: try asking on the debian-user or debian-x lists if no one else knows |
| 22:53.12 | EruditeHermit | bob2: any further ideas? |
| 22:53.15 | streuner | <dpkg> Factoid search of 'stats' by key (14): debstatswhore ;; abusestats ;; ~call * a stats whore ;; debstats ;; ~call x a stats whore ;; nenolodstats ;; whorestats ;; binstats ;; #debian stats ;; CMD: fuckstats (.*?) ;; statswhore ;; dickstats ;; moostats ;; network stats. |
| 22:53.48 | Laibsch | Gnea: I did already ask my question. I followed the way describe by "!remote X" but it does not work. |
| 22:53.49 | Gnea | streuner: heh |
| 22:53.54 | Laibsch | I have followed the information given by "!remote X" but still when I launch an xterm on the remote side, I get a " Can't open display: 192.168.100.127:0.0" |
| 22:54.05 | Gnea | !remote X |
| 22:54.12 | dpkg | it has been said that remote x is on the X server do, "xhost +<IP or Hostname of machine running the clients>", on the remote machine do "export DISPLAY=<Host|IP of server>:0.0" where 0.0 is the display.screen. Run the app. Ask me about sshx for more security and ease. |
| 22:54.21 | shad0wcat | Laibsch: you know you need to do that on a unix system |
| 22:54.24 | shad0wcat | that won't work if you're using windows |
| 22:54.25 | Laibsch | Gnea: Again, I have done that |
| 22:54.38 | streuner | Gnea: <bob2> dondelelcaro: what's the "Debian archive stats" factoid? |
| 22:54.39 | Gnea | Laibsch: what did you type on the local side? |
| 22:54.44 | ruied | my consloe gone creazy, what command to refresh it ? |
| 22:54.50 | Laibsch | Shadowcat: :-) both are Debian testing |
| 22:54.53 | SlayerXP | ruied: 'reset' |
| 22:54.54 | shad0wcat | ruied: reset |
| 22:54.56 | Gnea | ruied: ctrl-L |
| 22:55.02 | ruied | thanks |
| 22:55.06 | shad0wcat | Laibsch: then stop trying to launch X apps as root |
| 22:55.09 | bob2 | Laibsch: you're not using ssh X forwarding? |
| 22:55.15 | everton | Gnea: Do I need simply rm -fr /home on the hda9 mounted? |
| 22:55.20 | Marticus | okay |
| 22:55.24 | Marticus | bob2: it is apxs2 |
| 22:55.27 | Marticus | I will just link it |
| 22:55.33 | Marticus | thanks for the help btw |
| 22:55.33 | bob2 | !+find bin/apxs2 |
| 22:55.35 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 22:55.40 | Gnea | everton: mv /home /home_old && mkdir /home && mount /home |
| 22:55.59 | streuner | dpkg is slow here... |
| 22:55.59 | Laibsch | Gnea: "ssh -X $IP" and later on "#xhost +$IP" |
| 22:56.05 | everton | Gnea: ok, I'll try. thanks :) |
| 22:56.08 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: would it be possible to update dpkg's db each day just after ftp.d.o updates? |
| 22:56.18 | bob2 | Laibsch: no need to play with xhost at all if you're using ssh -X |
| 22:56.29 | Laibsch | Shadowcat: Did not work as normal user either. |
| 22:56.43 | Gnea | Laibsch: i don't know about -X, it "just works" by default if the sshd_config says that X11Forwarding is okay |
| 22:56.43 | zimnyx | is there some lightweght dns server? |
| 22:56.45 | Laibsch | bob2: I just tried everything I came across. |
| 22:57.06 | Laibsch | OK, that is a nice 'if' I'll check that. |
| 22:57.12 | bob2 | Laibsch: 'ssh -X remoteip xterm' should Just Work, if the remote side has X forwarding enabled and has xauth installed |
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| 22:57.29 | Gnea | zimnyx: apt-cache search lightweight dns server |
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| 22:57.37 | Marticus | bob2: maybe there should be a link in that dev package for apxs for apxs2 |
| 22:57.42 | apogee_XL | hello again |
| 22:57.50 | apogee_XL | I need help to configure X |
| 22:57.55 | Marticus | I suppose I would need to post that in the bug report or something heh |
| 22:58.10 | streuner | apogee_XL: what does 'lspci -v | grep VGA' say? |
| 22:58.20 | apogee_XL | I run the dpakage .... and ran at 1024x768 but at 60hz |
| 22:59.06 | Gnea | apogee_XL: what is dpakage? |
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| 22:59.29 | streuner | apogee_XL: ok, if the driver supports higher hz just edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or the config-file for xorg |
| 22:59.45 | Kerr | I'm trying to share my net access with my laptop, but all i'm getting is a headache ~.~ currently trying to get ip masquerading up.. Anyone got a better way? |
| 22:59.51 | Laibsch | bob2: You seem to have nailed it. Do I need to enable X11Forwading on remote or local side. |
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| 23:00.06 | Gnea | Kerr: nope, that's the right way. |
| 23:00.13 | apogee_XL | steuner: VIA technologies uknown device 3. its onboard S3 Unichrome [new card on MSI k8Neo V] |
| 23:00.18 | Gnea | Kerr: is it wireless? |
| 23:00.20 | streuner | oh |
| 23:00.32 | Gnea | S3 |
| 23:00.33 | Gnea | ahaha |
| 23:00.40 | ireverentreveren | when I go to run "apt-get upgrade" I get "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 259 not upgraded"... why are they not upgraded? I assume it has to do with upgrade vs dist-upgrade, but what exactly? |
| 23:00.42 | SlayerXP | could be worse. could be SiS |
| 23:00.42 | apogee_XL | streuner:I use the VESA vserver. |
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| 23:00.50 | EruditeHermit | bob2: is module loading broken? |
| 23:00.58 | Gnea | SlayerXP: SiS is better than S3? |
| 23:01.04 | streuner | apogee_XL: VESA is limited |
| 23:01.08 | bob2 | Laibsch: both (ie remote sshd needs it, as does local ssh) |
| 23:01.12 | bob2 | EruditeHermit: not that I know of |
| 23:01.18 | bob2 | ireverentreveren: /etc/apt/sources.list, #flood |
| 23:01.31 | SlayerXP | Gnea: SiS is perhaps the crappiest hardware on the planet. |
| 23:01.35 | Pitchin_uk | evening all |
| 23:01.36 | b4rt | i killed my famd because it was sucking resources for some reason, what uses famd, gnome? |
| 23:01.41 | Laibsch | bob2: Thanks. |
| 23:01.45 | ic1 | what should i do if, the PC see's my 2nd scsi hard drive but the kernel does not?? |
| 23:01.45 | Laibsch | Have to run now. |
| 23:01.47 | Gnea | SlayerXP: it's up there.. i mean down there.. :) |
| 23:01.47 | SlayerXP | I've returned servers when they have unexpected SiS chipsets on |
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| 23:01.54 | Pitchin_uk | how do i install lame (for mp3s) |
| 23:01.55 | bob2 | Laibsch: np |
| 23:02.02 | everton | genocide: Strangely my gaim died. I mounted the old /home and I can not open gaim, for example, anymore. Can you help me? |
| 23:02.02 | bob2 | b4rt: yeah |
| 23:02.02 | beardy | !famd |
| 23:02.02 | dpkg | famd is, like, the File Alteration Monitor, a daemon that will notify you when any of a given list of files changes, or see, apt-cache show fam, or famd can make it more difficult to unmount devices |
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| 23:02.07 | apogee_XL | Gnea:my Windows system is AMD Dual core 4800+ /2gb/Nvidia 6800+ SLI x2 |
| 23:02.13 | everton | Gnea: /dev/hda9 / reiserfs notail 0 1 |
| 23:02.13 | everton | /dev/hda7 /home ext3 notail 0 0 |
| 23:02.15 | Kerr | Gnea: nah, pcmcia nic, running widows 98 on the lappy. |
| 23:02.21 | streuner | apogee_XL: http://unichrome.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 23:02.26 | everton | That is my new fstab lines |
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| 23:02.28 | Kerr | Gnea: getting no luck though. |
| 23:02.30 | Gnea | apogee_XL: that is not possible. |
| 23:02.54 | Rangitoto | bob2: In the command which you gave, what is meant by "sharename" and "localdirectory"? |
| 23:02.57 | Gnea | everton: ok.. |
| 23:02.58 | ireverentreveren | bob2 one sec |
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| 23:03.07 | Kerr | Gnea: I have a suspicion that my network admin doesn't want two computers connecting from my dorm room. |
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| 23:03.30 | bob2 | Rangitoto: the name of the share on the windows machine, some local dir you make that you want to mount to |
| 23:03.32 | everton | Gnea: But shou,ld I reboot. Things that need the /home file (as .gaim) arent working)? |
| 23:03.40 | everton | Gnea: ? |
| 23:03.52 | Gnea | apogee_XL: only Intel CPU's have dual-core functionality. Unless it's a 64-bit AMD cpu that I haven't come across yet. |
| 23:03.54 | ireverentreveren | bob2 pasted in #flood by irevRev |
| 23:03.58 | wide-eye | everton: do ls -la ~/.gaim see if your user id has changed |
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| 23:04.34 | charels | what is the best solution to backup an debian workstation, on a set of cd's, and to be able to restore from that set the exact workstation ? |
| 23:04.41 | Gnea | everton: well, that's why you're supposed to get out of X, and login as root with no one else logged in at the console to perform this (this way, nothing is using /home) |
| 23:04.48 | everton | wide-eye: No, same ID |
| 23:05.00 | scarynetworkguy | Gnea: Been living under a rock long? |
| 23:05.04 | scarynetworkguy | Gnea: http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_9485_13041,00.html |
| 23:05.12 | everton | Gnea: Ops, ok. I will log out X. :-/ |
| 23:05.16 | Gnea | scarynetworkguy: shut up. yes. :P |
| 23:05.42 | Kerr | Gnea: the laptop obtains some default lease, a nonsense one, proably some stupid automatic ip. I don't see any evidence of it connecting. |
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| 23:06.30 | Gnea | Kerr: ok, but how do you have it wired? through a hub/switch or plugged directly into the other system? |
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| 23:06.37 | Pitchin_uk | is their lame for sarge?? |
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| 23:06.44 | Gnea | Pitchin_uk: no. |
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| 23:07.09 | Pitchin_uk | so how do i encode cds to mp3?? |
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| 23:07.18 | Kerr | Gnea: direct |
| 23:07.23 | Gnea | Pitchin_uk: you don't. |
| 23:07.44 | bob2 | Pitchin_uk: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 23:07.52 | Gnea | Kerr: that's the problem. you need to learn networking, young grasshopper. :) |
| 23:07.54 | Kerr | Gnea: trying to use http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO/index.html but that guide is supposedly to compliment another, which doesn't exist. |
| 23:08.42 | Kerr | Gnea: it's laptop -> debian boxen -> uni lan -> net |
| 23:08.42 | Gnea | Kerr: you need to get a second network cable and a hub or switch to place between the two - or use a crossover cable for the direct link. most likely, the cable you're using is standard twisted-pair. |
| 23:08.56 | Gnea | Kerr: right, your network setup is not correct. |
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| 23:09.11 | hlprmnky | hot damn, thanks very much to all who helped me out last night and today. I think The Great Dist-Upgradening has finally met with success! |
| 23:09.23 | ireverentreveren | bob2 any idea? |
| 23:09.25 | Pitchin_uk | bob2: thanks very much - knew someone would be able to help me!! |
| 23:09.29 | Kerr | Gnea: 's a patch cable.. the laptop is conencted to my debian box's eth1 |
| 23:09.32 | Gnea | Kerr: you can't just plug any old ethernet cable into two computers and hope they work - no, the cable *HAS* to be a certain type. |
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| 23:09.54 | bob2 | ireverentreveren: hm, I forgot your original question, sorry |
| 23:10.29 | ic1 | i am trying to find my /dev/sdb ... i see /dev/sda , but my #2 scsi drive is not detecting in deb...the pc see's it but not deb...any ideas? |
| 23:10.40 | ireverentreveren | bob2 the original was :"when I go to run "apt-get upgrade" I get "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 259 not upgraded"... why are they not upgraded? I assume it has to do with upgrade vs dist-upgrade, but what exactly?" you asked me to paste /etc/apt/sources.list in #flood, which i did |
| 23:10.49 | bob2 | ireverentreveren: ah, right, sorry |
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| 23:11.00 | ireverentreveren | bob2 pasted as irevrev |
| 23:11.02 | bob2 | ireverentreveren: upgrade says "I have these packages installed, move them all to the latest version" |
| 23:11.25 | bob2 | ireverentreveren: dist-upgrade says "I have these packages installed, try to move them all to the latest version. if you have to install or remove other stuff, go for it." |
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| 23:11.47 | ireverentreveren | bob2 so the 259 packages need something new that is not already installed, gotcha |
| 23:11.49 | EruditeHermit | bob2: can you think of anywhere else that I could have done something wrong? |
| 23:11.54 | animalizm | what to do wneh apt-get install did not work |
| 23:12.03 | animalizm | couldn't find package |
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| 23:12.31 | Kerr | Gnea: can you elaborate? I'd thought it was possible to use my debian box as a router/ to have it share net with another box, without need for a hub. |
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| 23:12.45 | Gnea | Kerr: okay, you need to unplug the cable and then match up the wires on both ends of it to see if they match or not: http://www.duxcw.com/digest/Howto/network/cable/cable5.htm |
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| 23:12.56 | animalizm | does anyone knows |
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| 23:13.01 | animalizm | what to do |
| 23:13.10 | Kerr | Gnea: laptop >eth1> debian >eth0> lan |
| 23:13.22 | Gnea | Kerr: that doesn't mean a thing. |
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| 23:13.49 | bob2 | ireverentreveren: well, maybe only one of them does, but other things may depend on the new version of that, etc |
| 23:13.51 | Gnea | Kerr: either it's a misconfiguration on the debian side or the cable isn't the right one. |
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| 23:14.03 | bob2 | EruditeHermit: no, sorry; options for module loading is voodoo beyond my knowledge, sorry |
| 23:14.11 | ireverentreveren | bob2 thanks very much. always wondered what was going on with that. |
| 23:14.17 | bob2 | animalizm: you need to be more specific about the error |
| 23:14.21 | EruditeHermit | bob2: thanks for trying anyway |
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| 23:15.38 | Gnea | Kerr: this one is even better: http://www.ertyu.org/~steven_nikkel/ethernetcables.html |
| 23:15.44 | apogee_XL | gnea:tell us what your system is.... |
| 23:16.04 | Kerr | Gnea: i salvaged it from home, where the laptop used to connect to my rout; so i guess it's just a standard/straight through cable |
| 23:16.09 | Gnea | apogee_XL: which one? |
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| 23:16.33 | apogee_XL | gnea:your best! |
| 23:16.50 | Gnea | Kerr: examine both ends of the cable, see how the wires are colored on each end |
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| 23:17.35 | bob2 | EruditeHermit: np, good luck |
| 23:17.38 | Kerr | the coloured wires are in different order. |
| 23:17.42 | bob2 | EruditeHermit: asking on the debian-user list might work |
| 23:17.42 | Gnea | apogee_XL: best is an em64t 3.00ghz with 1gig dual-channel ddr ram, workstation is just an amd sempron 2800 with 1gig dual-channel ddr ram |
| 23:17.49 | apogee_XL | steuner:package downlaoded,what now ??? |
| 23:18.07 | zimnyx | Do you know any free dns service which works with subdomains? i mean i got freedns with myhost.freedns.org, and want *.myhost.freedns.com to be redirected to IP of myhost.freedns.org. Do you know any? |
| 23:18.08 | Rangitoto | How do I put myself in the sudoers file? I am the administrator. |
| 23:18.10 | apogee_XL | login as root or su ??? |
| 23:18.26 | Gnea | apogee_XL: the laptop is a P4 1.7ghz with 512megs ddr ram |
| 23:18.27 | Kerr | appears to match as a crossover cable. |
| 23:18.33 | markybob | Rangitoto, visudo |
| 23:18.37 | Rangitoto | How do I logon as root? |
| 23:18.39 | bob2 | zimnyx: granitecanyon.com, easydns.org, ddts.net, zoneedit.com |
| 23:18.39 | apogee_XL | streuner:I generally know that |
| 23:18.47 | Gnea | Rangitoto: visudo |
| 23:18.48 | bob2 | Rangitoto: 'visudo' as root |
| 23:19.00 | bob2 | rob ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 23:19.02 | bob2 | add a line like that |
| 23:19.03 | apogee_XL | streuner: I should unscomress it configure and make it but how ??? |
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| 23:19.31 | apogee_XL | streuner:in generall okay...but in specific its complicated |
| 23:19.32 | Gnea | apogee_XL: no need to use more than one ? at a time. |
| 23:19.33 | zimnyx | bob2: thanks |
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| 23:20.17 | Kerr | Gnea: seems it's a crossover cable. |
| 23:20.31 | apogee_XL | gnea:tell us what your system is.... |
| 23:20.35 | Gnea | Kerr: which #? |
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| 23:20.51 | Gnea | apogee_XL: stop trolling, please. |
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| 23:21.21 | apogee_XL | gnea: I did NOT asked for comments about my S3 ,okay ??? |
| 23:21.34 | ts2 | When I run xterm, it picks a font to use, how can I see which font it chooses ? |
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| 23:22.20 | bob2 | hm |
| 23:22.37 | Kerr | Gnea: 568b |
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| 23:23.08 | apogee_XL | streuner: do I need to make as root user ? |
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| 23:23.18 | a1fa|64 | ~fslint |
| 23:23.33 | Gnea | Kerr: how did you setup the debian side to hand out dhcp? |
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| 23:24.44 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 23:24.44 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. |
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| 23:25.01 | tarzeau | not bad, 8607 submissions. maybe we can get to 9000 or even 10000 soon |
| 23:25.12 | apogee_XL | anyone tewll me gow to buiild the driver myself ??? |
| 23:25.21 | bayab00m | how can i find out the path in which udev tries to locate firmware? |
| 23:25.41 | Pitchin_uk | anyone in here use cedega |
| 23:25.58 | markybob | i wish there was a way to make xchat magically drop extra punctuation marks |
| 23:26.12 | tarzeau | Pitchin_uk: what's wrong with wine? |
| 23:26.13 | Kerr | Gnea: I tried giving the laptop a static ip; then saw it wasn't working and looked into masquarading. I've not used dhcp. |
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| 23:26.35 | Kerr | Gnea: i've only found dead links to tutorials. |
| 23:26.49 | widrone | tarzeau: i386 is so friggin far in front of the other arches its not even funny. But wait, it is funny! |
| 23:27.06 | tarzeau | widrone: i386 linux or i386 kfreebsd? |
| 23:27.11 | Pitchin_uk | tarzeau: ive never tried it - does it work with the same games?? |
| 23:27.28 | tarzeau | Pitchin_uk: it worked better one year ago for the games my brother wanted to play, yes |
| 23:27.32 | markybob | kerr really? cuz i came up with this on the first search http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/23 |
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| 23:28.06 | Pitchin_uk | tarzeau: how do i get it |
| 23:28.09 | Gnea | Kerr: what markybob said - that's a terrific howto |
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| 23:28.15 | ic1 | is there a command that will show me all the attached Hard Drives!? SCSI or NOT!? |
| 23:28.21 | widrone | tarzeau: The one listed in popcon as i386. Im guessing that is standard gnu/linux yes. |
| 23:28.27 | bob2 | tarzeau: are you still using bsd? |
| 23:28.38 | ireverentreveren | hey bob2 mind if i ask another apt related question? I added an "unstable" line into my apt/sources.list and ran "apt-get install superkaramba", mainly just to see what packages i would need that would be new... it lists 7 packages under "the following extra packages will be installed:", and all 7 of the packages are ALSO listed under "the following packages will be upgraded:" now which are they? new? or updgraded? |
| 23:28.42 | markybob | ic1, fdisk -l |
| 23:28.57 | tarzeau | bob2: of course. i've even built this today: gnustep-0.9.7-ROFL42.iso |
| 23:29.00 | ic1 | markybob: your still here!! |
| 23:29.03 | Kerr | i googled for debian internet conenction sharing; chances are the windows terminology threw google off. |
| 23:29.07 | tarzeau | bob2: based on gnu/kfreebsd of course |
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| 23:29.08 | widrone | tarzeau: However I do got 10% of the machines listed as armeb =) |
| 23:29.22 | Rangitoto | I am trying to logon as root but the welcome screen says that I can't use that screen for that purpose. How do I logon as root? |
| 23:29.38 | ic1 | markybob: that only shows /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2...i have another scsi drive in here that i cannot find |
| 23:29.41 | tarzeau | widrone: cool! arm and mips are the ones i don't have yet, well got a mips o2 r10k but it can't run debian yet |
| 23:29.42 | tictac | Rangitoto: you dont. use sudo instead. man sudo |
| 23:29.44 | markybob | Rangitoto, nano -w /etc/gdm/gdm.conf |
| 23:29.54 | tarzeau | widrone: what about hurd? |
| 23:30.03 | bob2 | tarzeau: rock |
| 23:30.03 | beardy | Kerr: /msg dpkg nat |
| 23:30.12 | bob2 | tarzeau: does it have an installer, btw? |
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| 23:30.21 | tarzeau | bob2: remember the gnustep makes gnome/kde irrelevant joke/fun posting on slashdot last week or so? |
| 23:30.29 | tarzeau | bob2: yes of course, and it's so fast! |
| 23:30.33 | bob2 | ireverentreveren: good point, I don't know :-) |
| 23:30.35 | widrone | tarzeau: I got 2 o2s waiting in the hallway here, and a ip30 r12k almost running. But not debian yes Im afraid. |
| 23:30.35 | beardy | Rangitoto: You don't, if you mean login to X as root. |
| 23:30.42 | tarzeau | bob2: i'll make a posting about gnustep live cd based on kfreebsd making linux irrelelvant. LOL |
| 23:31.02 | tarzeau | bob2: and guess what, it wasn't even my idea |
| 23:31.16 | widrone | s/yes/yet |
| 23:31.23 | tarzeau | widrone: i've got an iris indigo, which is not good for anything |
| 23:31.30 | ic1 | markybob: how can i check to make sure the kernel has detected my second drive?! |
| 23:31.39 | markybob | ic1, see if dmesg lists it |
| 23:31.43 | tarzeau | widrone: but i like the alpha and sparcs alot. the hppa here can't run openstep and it's just too slow for anything else |
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| 23:32.05 | widrone | tarzeau: Paperweigth? FOr throwin out the window maybe? |
| 23:32.15 | Pitchin_uk | is there any easy commande for upgrading in apt |
| 23:32.23 | blondie | upgrading what? |
| 23:32.34 | litage | where can one find a history/archive of this channel? |
| 23:32.42 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 23:32.42 | dpkg | hmm... debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
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| 23:32.52 | ic1 | markybob: i did apt-get install discover and tried to run that...i dont know if it worked or not.. |
| 23:33.03 | markybob | Pitchin_uk, really? apt-get upgrade |
| 23:33.15 | Farhan | when ever i look at my router dhcp client list, i see nulle then my ip for my debian linux box. how do i fix it so it says the propper hostname? |
| 23:33.19 | markybob | ic1, you didnt answer me about dmesg |
| 23:33.48 | ic1 | markybob: i am still searching through it ') |
| 23:33.54 | blondie | Farhan: erm you'd need to edit the dhcpd config |
| 23:34.01 | Farhan | neh |
| 23:34.05 | Farhan | its on the router that's the issue |
| 23:34.11 | Farhan | linux box it normal. |
| 23:34.13 | Farhan | is |
| 23:34.16 | Farhan | is not a router |
| 23:34.29 | Farhan | the router is just this belkin wireless one. |
| 23:34.30 | blondie | yes |
| 23:34.35 | blondie | the dhcpd runs ont he router |
| 23:34.40 | blondie | so it's not a debian issue |
| 23:34.45 | Farhan | oh |
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| 23:34.53 | bob2 | tarzeau: haha |
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| 23:35.07 | Farhan | but all the windows boxes have propper hostnnames. |
| 23:35.10 | Farhan | not debian |
| 23:35.11 | blondie | Farhan: otherwise just set the hostname manually |
| 23:35.25 | ic1 | markybob: i believe both drives are detected...its got a scsi0 and scsi1 listed... |
| 23:35.28 | Farhan | what debian-config, i forget now. |
| 23:35.29 | blondie | it might be using WINS or something then |
| 23:35.45 | tarzeau | bob2: you really ought to try gnu/kfreebsd |
| 23:35.50 | Babbelaar | I smashed my xorg installation trying to enable the tv out of my radeon 9200 |
| 23:35.51 | tarzeau | bob2: it's amazing |
| 23:35.55 | Farhan | how hard would it be to set up a gui gnome, if i put debian on my main box. |
| 23:35.56 | markybob | ic1, and you dont have /dev/sdb or sdc or sdd ? |
| 23:36.02 | blondie | not very hard |
| 23:36.04 | blondie | apt-get install gnome |
| 23:36.05 | Babbelaar | now I can't enter the Xwindows and I'm trying to reinstall xorg |
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| 23:36.09 | Farhan | would i need a monitor? |
| 23:36.10 | tarzeau | Farhan: stable or not? |
| 23:36.11 | blondie | assuming X is working |
| 23:36.15 | Farhan | stable. maybe |
| 23:36.23 | blondie | you wouldn't need a monitor |
| 23:36.30 | Farhan | i don't have a monitor hooked up to both machine |
| 23:36.31 | Farhan | mchines |
| 23:36.33 | Farhan | blarg |
| 23:36.34 | Farhan | machines |
| 23:36.39 | Farhan | windows or linux |
| 23:36.40 | Babbelaar | for it I got an error trying to install xserver-xorg and I'm trying to isntall the rest of the packages needed |
| 23:36.51 | blondie | are you going to use Exceed or soemthing on the WIndows box to connect to it? |
| 23:36.52 | ic1 | markybob: negative..i went all the way down!! it was showing up in nt 4.0 before i took one partition of the 1st drive for deb |
| 23:36.59 | Babbelaar | I'm trying to install phyton and it gives me an erros |
| 23:37.03 | Farhan | and if you ask me how i use the computers with a monitor i'm blind |
| 23:37.03 | Babbelaar | can enyone help me? |
| 23:37.06 | Farhan | without |
| 23:37.07 | tarzeau | gnome is unusable via remote x |
| 23:37.18 | Farhan | feh. i'll figure it out |
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| 23:37.30 | bob2 | tarzeau: yeah, I've been meaning to |
| 23:37.37 | markybob | ic1, same hd as the other one? |
| 23:37.43 | bob2 | tarzeau: what livecd should I be looking at? |
| 23:37.44 | apogee_XL | what the "xmkmf <path to xc" means ??? |
| 23:37.46 | Farhan | i don't eent hink i'll put debian on my main box sinse i only can use the console. |
| 23:37.52 | markybob | ic1 same controller? |
| 23:37.53 | dannythm | I'll say it easier |
| 23:37.58 | tarzeau | bob2: http://livecd.gnustep.org/ |
| 23:38.07 | tarzeau | bob2: that's still with morphix/linux and half a year old |
| 23:38.09 | ic1 | markybob: yes i think they are the same exact drives |
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| 23:38.19 | tarzeau | bob2: i'm working on the next one, should be out before christmas |
| 23:38.21 | apogee_XL | bob2:can anyone help me ? |
| 23:38.22 | dannythm | It gives me a MemoryError () when I try to do apt-get install python can anyone help me? |
| 23:38.28 | markybob | ic1, got me, then. |
| 23:38.31 | tarzeau | bob2: if xsnow was free, i'd put it on and have it autorun |
| 23:38.41 | bob2 | dannythm: show us the full error in #flood |
| 23:38.42 | bob2 | tarzeau: hah |
| 23:38.45 | ic1 | markybobL do u think i need to makedev and put it in manually? |
| 23:38.49 | bob2 | tarzeau: I'm surprised no one has reimplemented it yet |
| 23:38.52 | tarzeau | bob2: for gnu/kfreebsd, there's an installer cd, just pick that |
| 23:39.03 | Laibsch | Hi guys, bob2 was right on the money with X11Forwading being disabled. Maybe you want to include a sentence to that effect in "!remote x". Remote X is wokring fine now. |
| 23:39.08 | apogee_XL | I need some HELP |
| 23:39.15 | TiMiDo | apogee_XL ask |
| 23:39.17 | markybob | ic1 no. same drive/controller should show up when the other has. i dont know what could be wrong |
| 23:39.32 | SimonRaven | apogee_XL: just fucking ask the question already |
| 23:39.35 | b4rt | dannythm: try changing your XF86config-4 to device="radeon". maybe that will help you get into x anyway. |
| 23:39.47 | markybob | apogee_XL, being like that wont help your cause. relax |
| 23:39.52 | dannythm | bob2: ok |
| 23:40.22 | apogee_XL | markybob:what the "xmkmf (path to xc)" means ??? |
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| 23:40.46 | b4rt | dannythm: I just got through installing the ati drivers on mine - they are excellent! |
| 23:40.48 | ic1 | hmm...i am going to shut it down and check the bios to make sure the #2 drive isnt on a controller card and not the built in controller.. |
| 23:40.50 | apogee_XL | its a step installing unichrome server |
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| 23:40.59 | bob2 | tarzeau: does it use a freebsd kernel with d-i? |
| 23:41.05 | pepsi | how can I check what process that is blocking /dev/dsp?? |
| 23:41.07 | SimonRaven | wth are you installing a v3 xserver? |
| 23:41.09 | bob2 | Laibsch: great |
| 23:41.12 | Guerin | pepsi: lsof, fuser |
| 23:41.13 | bob2 | pepsi: fuser -v /dev/dsp |
| 23:41.15 | b4rt | !dannythm: ATI |
| 23:41.25 | SimonRaven | aren't those supported anyway? |
| 23:41.28 | tarzeau | bob2: no d-i, but freebsd installer hacked. an yes it's the freebsd kernel (5.4 and 6 are available), with gnu c library (instead of bsd c library) |
| 23:41.37 | tarzeau | bob2: with all the cow powers and milk! |
| 23:41.45 | bob2 | ah |
| 23:41.50 | bob2 | haha |
| 23:41.52 | tarzeau | bob2: check gnu.ethz.ch on netcraft.com ;) |
| 23:41.52 | bob2 | awesome |
| 23:42.00 | apogee_XL | markybob: ? |
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| 23:42.08 | Laibsch | bob2: Thanks again. |
| 23:42.28 | WiFiTux | wasn't there in Linux a command called count? |
| 23:42.35 | tarzeau | WiFiTux: wc? |
| 23:42.35 | bob2 | haha |
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| 23:42.45 | WiFiTux | tarzeau: :| that one! :) |
| 23:42.46 | tarzeau | WiFiTux: and it's not specific to linux |
| 23:42.47 | bob2 | peterS still has a gnustep mirror on his dsl |
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| 23:42.49 | apogee_XL | anyone tell me whjat is the xc path in Debian ?? |
| 23:42.53 | WiFiTux | tarzeau: I know. |
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| 23:43.05 | tarzeau | bob2: and i'll need mirrors again. once it's on /. |
| 23:43.07 | Kerr | Gnea: the tutoriak there, has eth0 internal, eth1 external; opposite to me, right? |
| 23:43.15 | Kerr | tutorial^ |
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| 23:43.40 | Farhan | wow |
| 23:43.43 | Farhan | i like w3m |
| 23:43.44 | Farhan | it wins |
| 23:43.51 | Farhan | whats a good console ftp client? |
| 23:43.54 | apogee_XL | markybob: will you answer me ?? |
| 23:43.54 | dannythm | bob2: it's posted in #flood |
| 23:43.58 | tarzeau | Farhan: tried links2 -g yet? lftp is nice |
| 23:44.00 | repp_ | apogee_XL: What are you trying to do? |
| 23:44.02 | Coweater | Farhan: ftp ncftp |
| 23:44.05 | SimonRaven | yes, it is nice |
| 23:44.05 | SimonRaven | i like lftp |
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| 23:44.24 | bob2 | dannythm: and the output of 'free -m' |
| 23:44.27 | Farhan | links2 -g? |
| 23:44.29 | SimonRaven | lftp handles several protocols too |
| 23:44.30 | Farhan | what is that? |
| 23:44.30 | apogee_XL | repp: install a xserver Unichrome. |
| 23:44.38 | tarzeau | Farhan: another browser -g is for graphical mode |
| 23:44.53 | tarzeau | apogee_XL: forget it |
| 23:44.54 | Farhan | i can only use the console. |
| 23:44.54 | a1fa|64 | anyway to delete duplicate files based on their name and not md5 hash? |
| 23:44.57 | Farhan | so i guess that's out |
| 23:45.01 | SimonRaven | apogee_XL: this is a versio n3 x server. why are you installing this? |
| 23:45.01 | tarzeau | Farhan: no it's not |
| 23:45.05 | SimonRaven | version 3* |
| 23:45.05 | apogee_XL | tarzeau :why ?? |
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| 23:45.19 | dannythm | bob2: i'm on a latlop, I cant copy paste, what info from free -m is needed? |
| 23:45.19 | tarzeau | Farhan: without -g it also works in console. heck with console fb, svgalib it can even be graphical in console |
| 23:45.26 | repp_ | apogee_XL: xservers usually come in one of two forms; "XFree86" or "xorg". Unichrome is not one that I recognize. |
| 23:45.29 | Farhan | oh |
| 23:45.34 | Farhan | i need a goot apt.sourceslist |
| 23:45.37 | Farhan | apt sources |
| 23:45.40 | apt | I guess you mean the handhelds sources, see http://handhelds.org/sources.html |
| 23:45.43 | dannythm | b4rt: if you can tell me how to install dem only with shell comands I'll be glad to install them |
| 23:45.44 | apogee_XL | SimonRaven:card is supported as VESA..with it works properly. |
| 23:45.49 | thingfish | !pot |
| 23:45.50 | dpkg | from memory, pot is what dd's smoke and eat, or the primary reason for weird commits from the Dutch developers Yummmmmm.... |
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| 23:46.01 | SimonRaven | so does xorg and xfree 4.x |
| 23:46.13 | tarzeau | apogee_XL: and utterly slow |
| 23:46.15 | ts2 | Is there a manual on how a USB CABLE MODEM can be enabled in Debian? |
| 23:46.24 | tarzeau | ts2: forget it |
| 23:46.30 | Tortel | they suck |
| 23:46.31 | widrone | apogee_XL: Im guessing there is a good reason for not using anyone of the debian packaged X servers? |
| 23:46.35 | Guerin | ts2: they typically don't work, because they're fake |
| 23:46.38 | Guerin | !tardware |
| 23:46.38 | dpkg | tardware is, like, the sort of hardware which doesn't have drivers or spec released for it, and consequently doesn't work on any real OS. Notable examples include lexmark printers, winmodems, promise raid cards and cheap digital cameras. Tard if you make 'em, tard if you buy 'em. Ask me about <supported by>. |
| 23:46.41 | Farhan | hmm |
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| 23:46.53 | Farhan | what do you think you think i should install debian onmy main desktop? or neh |
| 23:47.02 | tarzeau | Farhan: i would |
| 23:47.03 | Guerin | Farhan: do what you want. |
| 23:47.13 | apogee_XL | SimonRaven :what is the path of xc in Debian ? |
| 23:47.13 | Farhan | i need to figure out how to transfer txt files from linux to windows and make them readable in windows. |
| 23:47.19 | SimonRaven | Farhan: i would, but it's your machine, you decide |
| 23:47.23 | Farhan | hmm |
| 23:47.27 | tarzeau | Farhan: oh wait, install #suse or #fedora |
| 23:47.28 | Guerin | Farhan: text files is text files |
| 23:47.30 | blondie | Farhan: get notepad++ |
| 23:47.33 | caphuso | Guerin: wrong |
| 23:47.34 | Guerin | they're readable in windows already |
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| 23:47.38 | repp_ | apogee_XL: You are reading this document, correct? http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/unichrome/xf86-video-unichrome/README?view=markup |
| 23:47.43 | blondie | Guerin: different line endings |
| 23:47.44 | Guerin | caphuso: nope. They are, by definition. |
| 23:47.49 | Guerin | blondie: still readable. |
| 23:47.51 | SimonRaven | apogee_XL: don't bother. install xfree or xorg. |
| 23:47.55 | Farhan | hmmm |
| 23:47.58 | tarzeau | the weekend is not over yet? |
| 23:48.00 | caphuso | Guerin: hint: unix text files end lines with \n. windows text files end lines with \r\n |
| 23:48.01 | Farhan | wait why get suse or fedora? |
| 23:48.04 | blondie | Guerin: readable, but not nicely (in notepad eg) |
| 23:48.08 | Guerin | caphuso: i know. Still readable. |
| 23:48.11 | SimonRaven | tarzeau: alas, no |
| 23:48.12 | apogee_XL | repp:Yes ,this is it |
| 23:48.14 | Farhan | i like debian. lols. |
| 23:48.15 | resiak | blondie: Readable in any decent text editor ;) |
| 23:48.18 | resiak | !lols |
| 23:48.21 | blondie | I know |
| 23:48.25 | Guerin | wordpad handles unix newlines correctly |
| 23:48.31 | WiFiTux | is there any way to compare folders? 2 files out of 200 are missing. duno which ones, but a diff can do it cause du-ha contains the full path and shows different lines for all. |
| 23:48.35 | Farhan | oh really? |
| 23:48.37 | tarzeau | 00:48 [gnu] CTCP VERSION reply from Farhan: mIRC v6.16 Khaled Mardam-Bey |
| 23:48.40 | bob2 | dannythm: just wondering if you're really running out of ram or not |
| 23:48.42 | apogee_XL | repp_:yes |
| 23:48.47 | WiFiTux | can't |
| 23:48.48 | caphuso | Guerin: not readable with standard windows tools |
| 23:48.54 | dannythm | bob2 : its posted in #flood the free -m |
| 23:48.55 | ireverentreveren | while using KDE, if i install a new application via apt (superkaramba) how do i find the application in the menu? |
| 23:49.08 | Guerin | caphuso: wordpad is installed by default on every windows box I've ever come across. |
| 23:49.11 | SimonRaven | superkaramba is not apt-get |
| 23:49.12 | repp_ | apogee_XL: Do not perform the "Monolithic X" install, instead use the "Modular X" install. |
| 23:49.13 | Farhan | yep it is. |
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| 23:49.28 | blondie | Guerin: you didn't use Windows prior to Win95 then :P |
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| 23:49.33 | Guerin | blondie: nope. |
| 23:49.36 | Farhan | i can usually keep my windos boxup for a week |
| 23:49.36 | blondie | aww |
| 23:49.36 | widrone | WiFiTux: Maybe put the ls output into a file, then diff the two files? |
| 23:49.38 | zinx | blondie: that had notepad |
| 23:49.39 | ts2 | tarzeau: Guerin: I know it works, because Gentoo could use it. What happened to the quality of advice on #debian? It used to be superb, but lately (not just now) I've been getting advice that EVEN I (!) know is bad. |
| 23:49.41 | Guerin | blondie: nor is that relevant to this discussion. |
| 23:49.42 | Farhan | but then it goes away. |
| 23:49.45 | everton137 | Hi, I re-installed my system on hda9 and saved home on hda7. Now /home is not mounting (I changed my fstab, but Im not sure if correctly). Can someone help me? |
| 23:49.45 | apogee_XL | repp:please tell me how.Already uncompressed the folder, running as root |
| 23:49.46 | blondie | zinx: it had Write too |
| 23:49.49 | blondie | Guerin: so? |
| 23:49.51 | zinx | blondie: indeed |
| 23:50.02 | bob2 | everton137: notail is not a valid ext3 option |
| 23:50.02 | dannythm | b4rt : can you help me installing the ati drivers? |
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| 23:50.07 | tarzeau | ts2: really it doesn't work |
| 23:50.08 | bob2 | everton137: man mount shows the valid ones |
| 23:50.13 | tarzeau | ts2: USB MODEMS ARE SHIT |
| 23:50.19 | Guerin | ts2: use the same method you used to make it work on gentoo. it's a kernel thing, not a distro thing. |
| 23:50.21 | tarzeau | ts2: if you don't believe, go figure out yourself |
| 23:50.22 | Farhan | usb modems lose. |
| 23:50.24 | blondie | well |
| 23:50.25 | everton137 | bob2, Ok, Ill read man |
| 23:50.30 | Farhan | i like my eithernet card |
| 23:50.35 | blondie | USB ADSL modems (speedtouch) work fine in linux :P |
| 23:50.41 | bob2 | everton137: leave it as defaults |
| 23:50.43 | Farhan | i hate all usb modems. |
| 23:50.44 | blondie | they even provide drivers |
| 23:50.45 | tarzeau | blondie: the ones you get in switzerland don't work |
| 23:50.48 | apogee_XL | repp:thats why I asked what xmkfm <path to xc" means... |
| 23:50.50 | ts2 | tarzeau: I USED IT FOR MONTHS IN GENTOO WITH NO PROBLEMS (should I repeat that?) |
| 23:50.53 | blondie | ones here do :) |
| 23:51.03 | blondie | work just fine, and have done for 4 years now |
| 23:51.05 | tarzeau | ts2: YOU SHOULD MAYBE TELL EXACTLY WHAT USB MODEM IT IS£ |
| 23:51.05 | Farhan | i like my nice incripted wireless network |
| 23:51.05 | resiak | ts2: SO THEN YOU CAN SET IT UP YOURSELF YES? |
| 23:51.08 | markybob | ts2, again, so do what you did in gentoo for it to work, and it'll be fine |
| 23:51.10 | tarzeau | ts2: go use gentoo, |
| 23:51.12 | thingfish | why are you screaming, ts2 |
| 23:51.30 | dannythm | bob2 : my free -m is posted in #flood |
| 23:51.38 | Guerin | the original statement was that GENERALLY they don't work, because they're fake |
| 23:51.39 | blondie | thingfish: called a tantrum :) |
| 23:51.45 | bob2 | dannythm: ok, that's not the problem then |
| 23:51.46 | thingfish | ok, from now on, psychological fitness tests before /joining #debian. |
| 23:51.49 | bob2 | chill, folks |
| 23:51.53 | blondie | Guerin: an ASSumption TBH. |
| 23:52.00 | markybob | thingfish, no kidding |
| 23:52.04 | Guerin | ts2: it would seem that yours is an exception, but we had no way of knowing which, because you didn't tell us. |
| 23:52.06 | repp_ | apogee_XL: dpkg -l | grep 'ii.*xserver-common' |
| 23:52.12 | repp_ | apogee_XL: What does it give you? |
| 23:52.23 | Guerin | blondie: no assumption. A statement in general terms about a category of items, which remains true. |
| 23:52.25 | markybob | ts2 why cant you just set it up like you did in gentoo? it's a linux kernel thing, not a distribution thing. |
| 23:52.29 | apogee_XL | repp_:please wait a sec.... |
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| 23:52.42 | dannythm | bob2 : then what should I do? |
| 23:52.44 | Farhan | i was goign to use fedora on my main box cause it configured the gui automaticly but. on second thought. |
| 23:52.45 | r3tex | what makefile does the standard gcc in debian use? |
| 23:52.50 | r3tex | not /etc/make.conf |
| 23:52.52 | Farhan | maybe not bcause windows vista will suck |
| 23:52.57 | Rangitoto | I am trying to put myself in the sudoers file (I am the administrator). It was suggested that I edit gdm.config, I file in which I am lost. I tried using gdmsetup but got a message saying that I had to be a super user. |
| 23:53.07 | markybob | Rangitoto, no, no. visudo |
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| 23:53.25 | markybob | Rangitoto, visudo to put yourself in the sudoers file |
| 23:53.26 | kids | i have to create a partition to install debian too, how big should i make it |
| 23:53.27 | kids | ? |
| 23:53.30 | thingfish | windows vista will be wonderful - but you'll need a cray to run it. |
| 23:53.41 | blondie | Farhan: eh, why does Vista sucking affect installing Fedora? |
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| 23:53.47 | thingfish | well, not reall wonderful, shit actually, but you know. |
| 23:53.49 | tarzeau | Rangitoto: if you hate vi you can use EDITOR=realeditor |
| 23:53.54 | dannythm | thingfish : I'm runnign beta 1 of vista and it works fine |
| 23:54.01 | Farhan | vista will suck, hows about that drm technology |
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| 23:54.06 | Technel | Okay, here is the deal. I allocated too little space to WinXP. Then I gave like 10gb to Linux on the same harddrive. I had like 90gb unallocated. I got Partition Magic, attempted to move the free space to WinXP, but it failed. I restarted and now GRUB gives an "Error 17" |
| 23:54.08 | apogee_XL | repp_:command not found.... |
| 23:54.09 | Technel | Any ideas? |
| 23:54.14 | markybob | tarzeau, no, you cant |
| 23:54.21 | Guerin | whether it sucks or not, it's offtopic |
| 23:54.27 | repp_ | apogee_XL: you can't run "dpkg"? |
| 23:54.27 | tarzeau | markybob: i can use EDITOR=mcedit visudo and it works fine |
| 23:54.29 | thingfish | dannythm: I can't wait for it, because I truly believe it's going to drive linux adoption. |
| 23:54.43 | bob2 | dannythm: I don't know, sorry |
| 23:54.51 | ireverentreveren | ls |
| 23:55.01 | Farhan | i have to agree with you on that one, but what about the people that'l just stick with windows xp. i no i'm going to linux when vista comes out |
| 23:55.09 | ts2 | whatever, #debian used to be great. these days I ask a question, and get (1) no answer (2) definitely wrong answer (given off as universal truth) (3) common sense (if I remembered how I got it working in Gentoo and knew how to apply it to Debian, I would have done it, wouldn't I?). |
| 23:55.10 | apogee_XL | i tried pdkg ,but I got something wrong please give it again as it should be entered. |
| 23:55.25 | repp_ | apogee_XL: dpkg -l | grep 'ii.*xserver-common' |
| 23:55.41 | dannythm | can anyone help me installing any drivers (the ATI ones, xorg, or anything) only using the shell? |
| 23:55.42 | Rangitoto | When I entered "visudo" I got the message "visudo: command not found". |
| 23:55.46 | thingfish | eye candy is seductive, but really what I want is a free, secure, functioning, open-to-me operating system. |
| 23:55.46 | Guerin | ts2: no, you got a generalisation (which remains true) based on the catoegory of hadware you specified. |
| 23:55.51 | tarzeau | Rangitoto: are you root? |
| 23:56.01 | Farhan | brb. foodage |
| 23:56.06 | tarzeau | ts2: you can go to #debian-devel an whine |
| 23:56.09 | apogee_XL | repp_:is it -I (the letter)? |
| 23:56.10 | repp_ | Rangitoto: apt-get install sudo |
| 23:56.14 | blondie | ts2: I'd ask for a refund on your support contract |
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| 23:56.17 | markybob | Rangitoto, are you root? did you install sudo? |
| 23:56.19 | Rangitoto | I am the administrator but I don't know how to logon as root. |
| 23:56.20 | repp_ | apogee_XL: Use copy and paste |
| 23:56.27 | SimonRaven | repp_: s/he needs the x dev libs and headers; s/he needs the monolithic, not modular. modular is only in experimental |
| 23:56.28 | repp_ | apogee_XL: it is L |
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| 23:56.35 | Guerin | ts2: google around and find which hunk of kernel code you need, find out if it's in debian; if it's not, build a kernel with it in. |
| 23:56.37 | markybob | Rangitoto, you're talking about two different problems here, man |
| 23:56.38 | gravity | SimonRaven: Not yet :-) |
| 23:56.45 | markybob | Rangitoto, do you wanna login to x as root or do you wanna set up your sudoers file? |
| 23:56.47 | apogee_XL | repp_wish I could....posting from windows system..... |
| 23:56.47 | gravity | SimonRaven: modular doesn't exist in full yet in Debian at all, even in svn |
| 23:56.51 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 23:57.05 | Rangitoto | I want to setup the sudoers file. |
| 23:57.07 | repp_ | SimonRaven: Yes, I know that now, but before I recommend to him that he do a build I want to know if the drivers are already available. |
| 23:57.12 | markybob | Rangitoto, apt-get install sudo && visudo |
| 23:57.14 | funbags | Any hardware RAID 5 users here? |
| 23:57.18 | Farhan | back |
| 23:57.19 | Guerin | Rangitoto: visudo |
| 23:57.27 | Guerin | !anyone use hardware raid 5? |
| 23:57.29 | dpkg | No, no one uses hardware raid 5, not even the people who use it. |
| 23:57.32 | SimonRaven | repp_: :) |
| 23:57.32 | tarzeau | markybob: why can't i use EDITOR=anything and visudo? |
| 23:57.33 | Kerr | Gnea: what would i put for eth1 (the interface to my laptop) in my /etc/network/interfaces file? |
| 23:57.33 | Farhan | my mom just called me upstairs to yell at me that she's making me a hamburger. |
| 23:57.37 | Farhan | blehbg |
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| 23:57.52 | thingfish | yum homemade hamburgers. |
| 23:58.07 | dondelelcaro | bob2: yeah, but it would require some work be done on that section of code... I've avoided it till now. |
| 23:58.18 | Farhan | i like hamburgers but calling me hacing me navigate around a sofa that's inthe way of my wakling space and goign up stairs from down here sorta sucks. |
| 23:58.21 | Farhan | have |
| 23:58.21 | Guerin | Farhan: shouldn't you be in bed ... or studying for your highschool entrance exams, or something |
| 23:58.26 | Farhan | in bed? |
| 23:58.26 | thingfish | the best hamburgers I've ever had were in Iola, Kansas, and in Mazatlan, Mexico. |
| 23:58.34 | Farhan | its only 5:58 |
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| 23:58.36 | Pitchin_uk | des anyone here use scummvm?? |
| 23:58.37 | paulswm | :medal Guerin |
| 23:58.37 | markybob | tarzeau, ah, i see what you mean. my mistake. at first read i thought you meant to edit the sudoers file directly. you are correct |
| 23:58.41 | thingfish | same here |
| 23:58.42 | paulswm | !medal Guerin |
| 23:58.50 | SimonRaven | gravity: so 6.99 is still monolithic i take it |
| 23:58.55 | Technel | Anyone have any ideas? I tried putting in the Debian net install disk, but it wanted me to format before allowing me to re-install GRUB. |
| 23:58.58 | Kerr | Farhan: You COMPLAIN when people give you free, cooked food? |
| 23:59.01 | gravity | SimonRaven: Yep |
| 23:59.04 | Farhan | i'm not complaining |
| 23:59.05 | caphuso | Guerin: ok, you're right, unix text files are readable with standard windows tools... just don't make any changes with wordpad |
| 23:59.14 | tarzeau | Technel: can you not use any live cd to fix grub? |
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| 23:59.19 | gravity | SimonRaven: Or rather, 6.8.99 is. 6.99.x is 7.0pre |
| 23:59.23 | Farhan | she coudl of just yelled at me threw a heat vent or something |
| 23:59.25 | Farhan | could |
| 23:59.33 | thingfish | through |
| 23:59.34 | paulswm | "could have" |
| 23:59.41 | Guerin | through |
| 23:59.42 | Kerr | Farhan: you've no concept of what it means to be a student/slob, or to live on noodles and microwave meals; do you? |
| 23:59.42 | tarzeau | Technel: i've once lost 20 gb of unbacked up important data with a debian installer cd with mkfs on an existing ext2 partition... |
| 23:59.46 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:59.51 | Kerr | O.o |
| 23:59.57 | dannythm | can anyone help me installing and configurign any drivers fotm my radeon 9200 usign the console? |
