| 00:00.00 | SimonRaven | gravity: er, yeh |
| 00:00.04 | Farhan | i lived in a dorm for 4 yers. |
| 00:00.04 | tarzeau | dannythm: for x? |
| 00:00.05 | Technel | tarzeau: All I have is the Debian net install... |
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| 00:00.15 | Farhan | root. rofl |
| 00:00.15 | Technel | tarzeau: Actually, I might have a live cd |
| 00:00.20 | Kerr | Io.o |
| 00:00.27 | dannythm | tarzeau : yes |
| 00:00.37 | markybob | Technel, switch to an open terminal, mount your drive, chroot, grub-install |
| 00:00.40 | Farhan | hows'a bout not setting your name before you come in with the gentoo livecd |
| 00:00.41 | tarzeau | dannythm: you can't just use the "vesa" driver? |
| 00:00.44 | thingfish | I never lived in a dorm. I always lived off-campus. But that was eons ago. |
| 00:00.46 | Kerr | Farhan: you're confusing... can i have the hamburger? |
| 00:00.47 | Farhan | oh |
| 00:00.53 | Farhan | heh |
| 00:00.58 | tarzeau | dannythm: i guess you mean ati fglrx , it's pretty well documented on teh internet |
| 00:01.01 | Farhan | i'm not in colledge yet, this was blind school |
| 00:01.08 | dannythm | tarzeau : I don't know, I want to use the tv out, |
| 00:01.24 | Farhan | i don't think i'll be going to colledge, i'll probly go to trade school. |
| 00:01.26 | tarzeau | dannythm: and see the stuff on tv? |
| 00:01.37 | tarzeau | dannythm: did you make sure the resolution is 640x480? |
| 00:01.38 | GPLGeek | dannythm, http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 00:01.57 | dannythm | tarzeau : yeah, but i've installed the package but when I do "fglrxconfig" it tells em that the command doesnt exist |
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| 00:02.14 | Farhan | i just need to learn the linux basics like how to navigate around the file system better and all that rap. with the shell. |
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| 00:02.45 | dannythm | tarzeau : and I can't install xserver-xorg because ir gives me an error trying to install python |
| 00:02.51 | tarzeau | Farhan: you want to learn a shell. not linux basics |
| 00:02.52 | eleftherios | Farhan, you mean to learn how to use a shell. Linux is just a kernel |
| 00:02.57 | Farhan | yeh |
| 00:03.02 | tarzeau | Farhan: which shell? |
| 00:03.06 | Technel | tarzeau: Okay, I booted into SLAX. How would I got about reinstalling or reconfiguring GRUB? |
| 00:03.08 | Farhan | i had linux on my pc for a month, bash |
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| 00:03.23 | b4rt | dannythm: the fglrx installer ubove will let you use tvout, and also let you use opengl stuff too |
| 00:03.23 | tarzeau | Technel: mount, chroot to it, grub-install, sync, exit, reboot |
| 00:03.26 | beardy | Farhan: /msg dpkg reference |
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| 00:03.29 | funbags | In order to add a new drive to a raid 5 array should i be useing LVM? |
| 00:03.39 | blondie | funbags: erm no |
| 00:03.40 | Technel | tarzeau: sync? |
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| 00:03.44 | tarzeau | Technel: just type it |
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| 00:03.51 | Technel | tarzeau: Okay, I will try that, thanks |
| 00:03.53 | Farhan | is there any dis-advantage of using the shell instead of the gui |
| 00:03.56 | tarzeau | Technel: o and umount after exit, and sync again |
| 00:03.57 | paulswm | funbags: raid and lvm are totally different things |
| 00:04.02 | beardy | Farhan: No. |
| 00:04.05 | GPLGeek | Farhan, http://www.lugs.org.sg/gnubie/tutorials/UsingBash |
| 00:04.05 | tarzeau | Farhan: no |
| 00:04.09 | funbags | blondie: I am setting up my first raid 5, just curious on how i should set it up for furture expansion |
| 00:04.11 | dannythm | b4rt : yes, but I can't do it if I can't downlad the packages I need |
| 00:04.18 | Rangitoto | markybob: You suggested, apt-get install sudo && visudo but I got asked if I am root. |
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| 00:04.28 | apogee_XL | repp_:tried using bitchx, cantlogin name is beloging to other......??? |
| 00:04.29 | eleftherios | Farhan, many would say that exactly the opposite is true |
| 00:04.32 | blondie | funbags: RAIDs aren't really intended for expandning |
| 00:04.35 | Farhan | what about the webpage view access wouldn't the gui with mozilla be better for that/ |
| 00:04.35 | dannythm | b4rt : because I don't know how to download them with the console |
| 00:04.40 | markybob | Rangitoto, yes. do that as root. that's the way to set up sudoers |
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| 00:04.48 | tarzeau | eleftherios: no wonder with guis like kde and gnome |
| 00:04.51 | blondie | funbags: LVM is though, but it's not RAID |
| 00:04.52 | repp_ | apogee_XL: try "irssi" in the "irssi-text" package |
| 00:04.55 | paulswm | funbags: RAID or not, if you are likely to want to adjust filesystem sizes or add new disk space to filesystems, then lvm makes it all much easier |
| 00:05.11 | Farhan | i would need a good console instant messenger, centericq can bite me |
| 00:05.25 | Rangitoto | markybob: I don't know how to do something as root. |
| 00:05.29 | eleftherios | tarzeau, for some tasks using the shell is much quicker and pleasant than using any GUI in my humble opinion |
| 00:05.40 | b4rt | dannythm: did you update your sources.list to the xorg repository? then apt-get update && apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 00:05.42 | markybob | Rangitoto, "su" will make you root. just type su and hit enter |
| 00:05.48 | apogee_XL | repp_:changed fonts in windows clients ,resend please |
| 00:05.55 | SimonRaven | shell r0x0rs my s0x0rs |
| 00:05.58 | tarzeau | eleftherios: i agree, but i also believe for some tasks some guis are great. (by far not all guis are good) |
| 00:06.00 | funbags | paulswm: Ahh ok, so if i add a drive to my raid 5 array, later on, would I be able to use that extra space if I am useing ext3? |
| 00:06.01 | eleftherios | Farhan, do you plan to use a system without X at all? |
| 00:06.04 | repp_ | apogee_XL: dpkg -l | grep 'ii.*xserver-common' |
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| 00:06.10 | eleftherios | tarzeau, I agree with that |
| 00:06.26 | Farhan | i don't no i'll mess with gnome just alittle bit with gnopernicus but i don't think i'll use x that much |
| 00:06.27 | dannythm | b4rt : yes, and it don't let me isntall |
| 00:06.35 | Gnea | df |
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| 00:07.08 | gravity | Gnea: / 3GB 2.1GB 65% |
| 00:07.09 | paulswm | funbags: You are confusing filesystem type (ext3), lvm and raid, I think. You probably need to read the appropriate howtos and get it straight in your mind what each does, this isn't meant to ba a smartass answer, just good advice |
| 00:07.11 | gravity | :-) |
| 00:07.17 | Gnea | lol |
| 00:07.17 | Gnea | oops :) |
| 00:07.22 | GPLGeek | Try Fluxbox, its nice because you can get as many RXVT terminals up as you need and it does not take much system resources. |
| 00:07.25 | eleftherios | Farhan, if you're a newbie just use one of the desktops and stick to an X-terminal |
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| 00:07.33 | ruied | how do I set username and password in lynx when connecting to a website (my acess point). |
| 00:07.36 | beardy | paulswm: smartass! |
| 00:07.43 | b4rt | dannythm: I would not advise installing it anyway - it is experimental after all, and i didn't see any advantage with it anyway |
| 00:07.46 | Farhan | i don't even no how to compile my own kernel, to me i'm stupid. |
| 00:07.48 | SimonRaven | ass smarts |
| 00:07.49 | Farhan | losl |
| 00:07.51 | paulswm | :prise beardy |
| 00:07.55 | paulswm | !prise beardy |
| 00:08.02 | paulswm | beardy: :P |
| 00:08.10 | dannythm | how can download this usign the console http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer_8.19.10-1.dsc? |
| 00:08.14 | eleftherios | tarzeau, ah, your nickname reminded me of something =) I just couldn't recall what 'till I looked at #gnu-kbsd =) |
| 00:08.18 | Farhan | hmm |
| 00:08.19 | Gnea | my ass is smart enough to know when and when not to fart. |
| 00:08.20 | phogg | dannythm: wget |
| 00:08.24 | SimonRaven | leave the goat alone, paulswm! |
| 00:08.24 | Guerin | dannythm: wget |
| 00:08.35 | tarzeau | eleftherios: you've got it too? |
| 00:09.03 | Guerin | dannythm: but you probably want to the the orig.tar.gz and the diff.gz too |
| 00:09.03 | paulswm | SimonRaven: Heh, good to see you, I hope that you are doing well :) |
| 00:09.03 | apogee_XL | repp_: reported [ii xserver-common 4.3.0.dfsg.1-1. files & utilities are common to all x servers |
| 00:09.03 | Farhan | i can't even look at my router setup page with any text browser |
| 00:09.03 | SimonRaven | paulswm: yes, and you? |
| 00:09.03 | tarzeau | Farhan: tried links2? |
| 00:09.06 | eleftherios | tarzeau, I am a chan. regular |
| 00:09.08 | funbags | paulswm: No i understand it, i just didnt frase it correctly... I understand LVM makes the volume management a lot easier. I was just confused on what is the best way of setting it up. If I should use LVM w/ext3 or just ext3 is ok, etc... Reading around there really isnt a good guide to hardware raid 5 and hot-resizing or just resizing. |
| 00:09.22 | Farhan | hmm |
| 00:09.32 | Technel | tarzeau: grub-install apparently isn't on the CD :\ |
| 00:09.37 | b4rt | !dannythm: ATI |
| 00:09.41 | repp_ | apogee_XL: If you upgrade to 6.8.2.dfsg.1-10, then the unichrome driver is built-in. |
| 00:09.41 | eleftherios | tarzeau, no I haven't installed it yet. I plan to work on gnu/any from Jan. onwards |
| 00:09.47 | tarzeau | Technel: yes, did you read the "chroot" command i told you? |
| 00:09.53 | paulswm | SimonRaven: Yes, thanks, have three stents in my cardiac arteries and awaiting an arterial bypass on my leg, but I am fine, sounds worse than it is :) |
| 00:09.54 | tarzeau | Technel: it doesn't need be on the cd |
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| 00:10.10 | SimonRaven | repp_: that's what we kept telling him to do... |
| 00:10.11 | tarzeau | eleftherios: ah that's interesting, i've had a peek at the document |
| 00:10.12 | LoneWlf | <--Needs help with video adapter settings. Anyone who can help? |
| 00:10.13 | funbags | paulswm: I just want to make sure when i am setting this up now, they i will be able to add a drive down the road if needed. |
| 00:10.15 | apogee_XL | repp_:how do I do thje upgrade ??? |
| 00:10.31 | SimonRaven | paulswm: stents? |
| 00:10.34 | Technel | tarzeau: What parameter do I need to use with chroot? |
| 00:10.41 | tarzeau | Technel: chroot /mnt |
| 00:10.42 | b4rt | dannythm: just follow the instuctions and dont leave any out, and everything should work |
| 00:10.45 | SimonRaven | paulswm: and am glad is isn't serious |
| 00:10.49 | beardy | Farhan: You are not stupid if you don't know how to compile a kernel. Stupid would be to try anyway, and complain about it. You will learn it eventually, if you need too. |
| 00:10.50 | tarzeau | Technel: if you mount your partition with grub binary to /mnt |
| 00:11.12 | Technel | tarzeau: No such file/directory /bin/bash |
| 00:11.13 | Farhan | with me i can usually pick up stuff in about 5 minutes and i scare people when i do that. but linux. oh man |
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| 00:11.18 | SimonRaven | ffs this thing is slow... |
| 00:11.22 | repp_ | apogee_XL: What strain of debian are you running? |
| 00:11.34 | SimonRaven | needs more ram, keeps swapping... |
| 00:12.02 | apogee_XL | repp_Debian Sarge 3.1 official 386 distro 2DVDs |
| 00:12.03 | tarzeau | Technel: are you one of those guys with 20 partitions for one system? |
| 00:12.08 | SimonRaven | would take a load off the already slow ide busses... |
| 00:12.12 | paulswm | SimonRaven: A stent is a little tube placed in an artery to open up a blockage, I havd two over 90% blocked, but no heart attack, caught it just in time :) |
| 00:12.25 | SimonRaven | tarzeau: i have 40-odd in active on one |
| 00:12.42 | Technel | tarzeau: I have two harddrives, only one is used. There are 3 partitions, one for SWAP (99% sure), one of WinXP, and one for Debian, and there is like 90gb unallocated |
| 00:12.49 | repp_ | apogee_XL: Debian runs as one of three flavours: stable, testing, or unstable. Do you know which you are? |
| 00:12.51 | SimonRaven | paulswm: oh shit. nice it got caught |
| 00:13.09 | SimonRaven | !version |
| 00:13.09 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 00:13.15 | paulswm | SimonRaven: Yes, thanks! I am still no the sunny side of the grass :) |
| 00:13.19 | LoneWlf | Anyone who can help me set up the display drivers on a Toshiba laptop running 3.1 Sarge? |
| 00:13.19 | tarzeau | Technel: i'd install gnu/kfreebsd on the 90 gb unallocated one |
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| 00:13.21 | paulswm | s/no/on/ |
| 00:13.35 | SimonRaven | godd |
| 00:13.40 | SimonRaven | good even |
| 00:13.43 | apogee_XL | repp_:stable,I bought the CDs from an opfficial Debian retailer |
| 00:13.46 | Technel | tarzeau: Is it possible to just skip the crap for now and just boot into WinXP (/dev/hda1)? |
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| 00:13.55 | SimonRaven | probably sarge |
| 00:14.36 | beardy | apogee_XL: How many cd:s? And when did yu buy them? |
| 00:14.40 | devolve | I have a dependency resolution question. Say something depends on libpostproc0, but I have libpostproccvs0, which is a newer version. Is there any way I can create a symbolic link or something so I can fulfill the dependencies with the newer, cvs version? |
| 00:14.41 | beardy | you |
| 00:14.43 | tarzeau | Technel: yeah why not? got a bootloader that works? |
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| 00:15.13 | apogee_XL | repp_:2 DVDs.July 2005 :its the Sarge |
| 00:15.15 | Technel | tarzeau: I have no WinXP boot cd, no -- I just had GRUB |
| 00:15.27 | tarzeau | Technel: and why how did you break GRUB? |
| 00:15.32 | Technel | tarzeau: Why won't SLAX let me chroot and do a grub-install? |
| 00:15.37 | tarzeau | Technel: i mean i've seen people break silo and lilo. but GRUB? |
| 00:15.47 | tarzeau | Technel: because you didn't mount the right partition to /mnt ? |
| 00:15.50 | dannythm | i'm trying to do it with the flavio howto, but I get errors |
| 00:15.52 | tarzeau | Technel: the one with linux and /bin/bash? |
| 00:15.56 | Technel | tarzeau: I didn't do anything to GRUB. A space reallocation failed in Partition Magic, I restart, and suddenly Error 17 is given by GRUB |
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| 00:16.08 | devolve | tarzeau, what does a fdisk mbr from a win98 startup disk do? zap your mbr so just windows boots, then you could try booting off of a live cd, then chrooting in to do a grub-install /dev/hda |
| 00:16.09 | valdyn_ | devolve: /msg dpkg equivs, if you really know what you are doing |
| 00:16.34 | apogee_XL | repp:from thje Readme in the root DVD 1 folder :Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r0a "Sarge" -Official binary -1 |
| 00:16.52 | Technel | tarzeau: /dev/hda6 should be my Debian install, but I can't chroot it |
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| 00:17.16 | repp_ | apogee_XL: You should upgrade from stable (Sarge) to testing. You will be able to install an xserver that has support for your hardware. |
| 00:17.17 | markybob | Technel, did it mount ok into /mnt? if you cd into /mnt, do you see an entire filesystem? |
| 00:17.43 | dannythm | when I do dpkg-buildpackage -b -rfakeroot -tc -uc -D it tells me: dpkg-buildpackage: build dependences/conflics unsatisfied; aborting. (use -d flag to overrride) |
| 00:17.46 | tarzeau | devolve: i don't have windows |
| 00:17.48 | apogee_XL | repp_:how ??? |
| 00:17.50 | Farhan | what's the difference from links and link2 |
| 00:18.05 | tarzeau | Farhan: links2 can do graphical stuff |
| 00:18.08 | SimonRaven | 2 |
| 00:18.10 | Technel | markybob: /mnt has like cdrom0, cdrom1, livecd, etc. |
| 00:18.14 | repp_ | apogee_XL: RTFM |
| 00:18.33 | SimonRaven | dpkg: sarge->etch |
| 00:18.33 | dpkg | Sarge too old for you already? Edit your sources.list ('editor /etc/apt/sources.list'), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'testing', and replace the security.debian.org line by a testing security line (ask me about testing security). Save the file, then 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'. Then subscribe to d-d-a (/msg dpkg d-d-a) or I will come and pour hot grits down your pants. |
| 00:18.34 | tarzeau | Technel: did you mount it? |
| 00:18.36 | markybob | Technel, then you didnt mount |
| 00:18.46 | tarzeau | Technel: mount /dev/hda6 /mnt && chroot /mnt |
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| 00:18.49 | SimonRaven | apogee_XL: ^^^^ |
| 00:18.51 | repp_ | apogee_XL: There, see what dpkg just announced |
| 00:18.54 | AlienX | is there a howto for installing windows fonts? |
| 00:18.58 | AlienX | i'm running etch |
| 00:19.00 | dannythm | and when I add the -d flag it trys to download the packages but gives this error: HTTP request send, request response... 404 not found |
| 00:19.04 | eleftherios | dpkg: testing security |
| 00:19.04 | dpkg | Don't use http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/, but see http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ ;) |
| 00:19.06 | tarzeau | AlienX: cp *.ttf /usr/share/fonts |
| 00:19.11 | tarzeau | AlienX: that was the howto |
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| 00:19.17 | SimonRaven | a howto for a 5 minute job... |
| 00:19.19 | Gnea | repp_: just /ignore him, that's what i did. he doesn't know how to read, and he demands as if he's at the top of the food chain. |
| 00:19.20 | apogee_XL | repp_:if there was a specific manual I would done read it already.....can you be mopre specific ??? |
| 00:19.24 | AlienX | tarzeau, heh thanks, i appreciate it :) |
| 00:19.25 | tarzeau | i don't get why people run testing |
| 00:19.30 | SimonRaven | 4 minutes to find the font ;) |
| 00:19.44 | tarzeau | !debian-font |
| 00:19.59 | Technel | tarzeau, markybob: I tried "mount /dev/hda6" earlier, but it says it can' |
| 00:20.01 | Gnea | tarzeau: why do people run debian? |
| 00:20.04 | repp_ | apogee_XL: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
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| 00:20.05 | AlienX | tarzeau, because i can, and want packages. I'm not new to linux, just debian as a primary system |
| 00:20.06 | dannythm | what should I do? |
| 00:20.11 | SimonRaven | actually, i'd stick it in ~/.fonts, then run fc-cache -f& |
| 00:20.13 | Technel | tarzeau, markybob: I tried "mount /dev/hda6" earlier, but it says it can't find something in fstab. "mount /dev/hda6 /mnt" says I need to specify fs type |
| 00:20.14 | tarzeau | AlienX: then use sid |
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| 00:20.19 | beardy | !tell Gnea -about why debian |
| 00:20.25 | Gnea | dannythm: apt-get update |
| 00:20.35 | AlienX | tarzeau, no, i've had more issues with broken packages in sid |
| 00:20.36 | markybob | Technel, then do it. what is it? ext3? mount -t ext3 /dev/hda6 /mnt |
| 00:20.41 | Gnea | beardy: hehe, it was a rhetorical question :) |
| 00:20.47 | beardy | Gnea: :) |
| 00:21.10 | Rangitoto | bob2: I entered sudo mount -t smbfs -o ro //ipofwindowsmachine/D /mnt/home/don ("D" and "don" are the share name and my user name respectively) as root and got the message "mount point /mnt/home/don does not exist". What have I done wrong? |
| 00:21.33 | tarzeau | Rangitoto: you forgot mkdir -p /mnt/home/don |
| 00:21.38 | LoneWlf | Anyone know how to configure the display drivers on Sarge? |
| 00:21.41 | dannythm | Gnea : I did that jut before doing anything else |
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| 00:21.46 | tarzeau | !drx |
| 00:21.46 | dpkg | well, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the XFree86 config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 00:22.01 | Gnea | dannythm: did that go alright or were there errors as well? |
| 00:22.04 | Technel | markybob: Yes, ext3, but that says that it is a bad superblock, wrong filesystem, or too many mounts |
| 00:22.13 | dannythm | that gone allright |
| 00:22.22 | Gnea | !xmd5 |
| 00:22.22 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 00:22.23 | dannythm | Gnea : the update was allright |
| 00:22.25 | markybob | Technel, eeek |
| 00:22.33 | Technel | markybob: cfdisk says that /dev/hda6 is type Linux (ext3)... |
| 00:22.42 | SimonRaven | Technel: it doesn't like you ;p |
| 00:22.43 | Gnea | dannythm: then there should be no reason that the packages should not be there. |
| 00:22.47 | Farhan | i think w3m is my fav browser |
| 00:22.51 | apogee_XL | gnea:there is nothing wrong beeing stupid like you. |
| 00:23.04 | markybob | apogee_XL, that's enough |
| 00:23.08 | SimonRaven | Technel: file -l /dev/hda3 |
| 00:23.09 | Technel | SimonRaven: I don't think the Linux kernel and its applications like me in general |
| 00:23.19 | SimonRaven | er, 6 |
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| 00:23.26 | apogee_XL | markybob:just WHO are you ? |
| 00:23.30 | beardy | apogee_XL: You will not get any help thatway. |
| 00:23.31 | tarzeau | Technel: they don't have a feeling |
| 00:23.34 | gravity | apogee_XL: Stop now |
| 00:23.36 | SimonRaven | apogee_XL: wtf was that for? |
| 00:23.37 | tarzeau | Technel: know PEBKAC? |
| 00:23.41 | Gnea | wtf |
| 00:23.42 | leleobhz | bash: /etc/bash.bashrc: Permission denied |
| 00:23.42 | leleobhz | bash: dircolors: command not found |
| 00:23.42 | leleobhz | I have no name!@astolfolinux1:~$ |
| 00:23.47 | leleobhz | why this message? |
| 00:23.58 | tarzeau | leleobhz: this is not debian |
| 00:24.04 | leleobhz | is |
| 00:24.06 | tarzeau | leleobhz: what is that? |
| 00:24.10 | dannythm | Gnea : yeah, but it gives em the error |
| 00:24.11 | Technel | SimonRaven: -l invalid param, without it it cannot be loaded |
| 00:24.21 | leleobhz | i open a terminal on my debian and i give this |
| 00:24.23 | Gnea | leleobhz: you either don't have a debian system, or the file was somehow removed |
| 00:24.24 | tarzeau | leleobhz: what says uname -a ? |
| 00:24.27 | apogee_XL | I'd like to thankl anyone helped me so far. |
| 00:24.28 | Technel | tarzeau: I have seen the ThinkGeek shirt, can't remember acronym |
| 00:24.29 | tarzeau | leleobhz: try hostname, then |
| 00:24.34 | SimonRaven | sec, i mis-remembered |
| 00:24.39 | tarzeau | !PEBKAC |
| 00:24.39 | dpkg | pebkac is, like, Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/ |
| 00:24.40 | apogee_XL | inculding Gnea |
| 00:24.47 | leleobhz | see tarzeau ? |
| 00:24.55 | repp_ | leleobhz: ls /etc/passwd |
| 00:25.10 | apogee_XL | and I do not mean to be provocative.,its just the way I am |
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| 00:25.17 | SimonRaven | -s, not -l |
| 00:25.24 | SimonRaven | Technel: ^^ |
| 00:25.36 | Farhan | wow |
| 00:25.38 | Farhan | i like lftp |
| 00:25.55 | Guerin | !best irc client |
| 00:25.55 | dpkg | methinks irssi-text is probably the best IRC client |
| 00:25.57 | Guerin | bah |
| 00:25.59 | dannythm | may I download manually the package and then do the porcess manually? |
| 00:26.02 | leleobhz | as root works |
| 00:26.02 | Guerin | !best ftp client |
| 00:26.03 | dpkg | methinks best ftp client is lftp |
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| 00:26.04 | Technel | tarzeau: So I am not a Linux pro, sorry, I just ran a dual boot to expose me to it and to learn. I made a mistake, I am sorry, but I really need to get on WinXP |
| 00:26.08 | Gnea | !best irc server |
| 00:26.08 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, best irc server is '<reply> apt-get install netselect ; netselect -vv `nslookup irc.us.debian.org | cut -d: -f2 | grep '[0-9]' | tail +2 | sed 's/,//g'` |
| 00:26.11 | Farhan | i like irssi |
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| 00:26.23 | Farhan | how do i get a whole directory with lftp? |
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| 00:26.33 | apogee_XL | repp_wouldn't that be simpler to manually install ? |
| 00:26.38 | Farhan | i tred getdir but that didn';t work |
| 00:26.39 | Guerin | Farhan: -e 'mirror url' |
| 00:26.51 | Technel | markybob: I told you, Linux is on /dev/hda6. "file -s /dev/hda3" says it cannot be found |
| 00:26.52 | leleobhz | what i must to do? |
| 00:26.54 | Farhan | yh? |
| 00:26.55 | Rangitoto | tarzeau: I did that, re-entered the mount command and got the message "mount: unknown filesystem type 'ro'". |
| 00:27.09 | Guerin | Farhan: yh isn't an option to lftp |
| 00:27.14 | tarzeau | Rangitoto: you typed it wrong |
| 00:27.15 | repp_ | apogee_XL: I doubt it very much. Upgrading debian is a skill you must learn. It isn't that hard and will open up a great deal of new features to you. |
| 00:27.22 | tarzeau | Rangitoto: what exactly did you type, you should say here |
| 00:27.26 | Farhan | lols |
| 00:27.28 | tecywiz121 | I need some help with sound... I have a DFI Lanparty-UT Ultra-D with the onboard sound. With knoppix it loads snd-intel8x0 and it works well but when I load the module manually with modprobe it doesn't work |
| 00:27.36 | tarzeau | !lolcount |
| 00:27.45 | Technel | !lolcount |
| 00:27.47 | Gnea | repp_: i'm guessing that english is not your native tongue. |
| 00:27.49 | beoba | !lolcount |
| 00:27.50 | Gnea | !stupidcount |
| 00:27.51 | Farhan | who me? |
| 00:28.05 | Gnea | i mean |
| 00:28.06 | tarzeau | Farhan: YES STOP LOLS |
| 00:28.08 | Gnea | repp_: sorry... |
| 00:28.09 | dannythm | when I try to do wget ad the dir of the drivers gives me an 404 error, but I cna find them form here.... |
| 00:28.13 | Farhan | lols on your face! oh knows! |
| 00:28.13 | repp_ | Gnea: pardon? |
| 00:28.13 | markybob | Technel, you mean /dev/hda6? |
| 00:28.22 | Gnea | apogee_XL: i'm guessing that english is not your native tongue. |
| 00:28.23 | markybob | Technel, file -s /dev/hda6 |
| 00:28.25 | Guerin | tecywiz121: try echo snd-intel8x0 > /etc/modules && reboot |
| 00:28.26 | apogee_XL | repp_:one thing more.In July 20 something ,I wen out to buy a book about Debian |
| 00:28.26 | dannythm | and I do an upadte and an upgrade fine |
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| 00:28.29 | Farhan | i'm strange like that. |
| 00:28.30 | Gnea | repp_: my bad, mis-direct |
| 00:28.36 | dannythm | what can be the problem? |
| 00:28.52 | Technel | markybob: You said do it on /dev/hda3 |
| 00:28.52 | apogee_XL | repp_:I found zero books about Debian |
| 00:28.58 | tecywiz121 | Guerin: Ok i will try that |
| 00:28.59 | markybob | Technel, i told you nothing about file -s |
| 00:29.11 | Gnea | apogee_XL: sometimes you must get them online. |
| 00:29.11 | Technel | markybob: Or, no, someone else told me: "<SimonRaven> Technel: file -l /dev/hda3" |
| 00:29.18 | Farhan | you guys are making me wana switch tolinux. lols |
| 00:29.27 | Farhan | but i need my ventrilo and my voipbuster. |
| 00:29.30 | repp_ | apogee_XL: You clearly didn't look very hard. Try amazon.com . Local libraries or bookstores may not carry debian books, but there are many of them. |
| 00:29.31 | Rangitoto | tarzeau: What I typed was "mount -t ro //192.168.1.7/D /mnt/home/don". Which part have I typed incorrectly? |
| 00:29.36 | markybob | Technel, ask him, then. i'm pretty sure he meant to tell you /dev/hda6 |
| 00:29.43 | SimonRaven | Technel: then i corrected myself, it's the -s option |
| 00:29.44 | Technel | markybob: "Symbolic link to "......part6" |
| 00:29.50 | Gnea | apogee_XL: http://tinyurl.com/cea5g |
| 00:29.54 | Technel | SimonRaven: Yeah, and it was actually /dev/hda6 |
| 00:29.55 | tarzeau | Rangitoto: -t is for filesystemtype, something from cat /proc/filesystems |
| 00:29.57 | SimonRaven | Technel: yes i did mean hda6 |
| 00:30.06 | Technel | Well, now that we have that settled... |
| 00:30.07 | tarzeau | Rangitoto: you can say ro with -o |
| 00:30.13 | SimonRaven | just misread it or soemthing |
| 00:30.18 | SimonRaven | ... |
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| 00:30.23 | SimonRaven | @kill my typist |
| 00:30.23 | Gnea | apogee_XL: have you heard of google.com? it's an extremely useful website. |
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| 00:30.44 | repp_ | apogee_XL: http://www.debian.org/doc/books |
| 00:30.44 | apogee_XL | Gnea:I already tried the official Debian site and some others for documentation.The book was out at the late September 2005 (Debian 3.1 Bible,Wiley |
| 00:31.01 | beardy | !reference |
| 00:31.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, reference is The Debian Reference. Will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. |
| 00:31.04 | SimonRaven | apogee_XL needs a lesson in smart questions i think |
| 00:31.06 | Technel | SimonRaven, markybob: So...what now? |
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| 00:31.07 | apogee_XL | Gnea:at that time nothing was available. |
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| 00:31.24 | sparr | is there any way to get normal command line utilities like mv to accept longer argument lists? |
| 00:31.25 | Gnea | apogee_XL: what do you mean? |
| 00:31.27 | markybob | Technel, i dont know. i'm assuming partition magic screwed up your partition, which is why you cant mount it. |
| 00:31.27 | repp_ | apogee_XL: What is your native language? |
| 00:31.33 | apogee_XL | thankls dpkg 8-) |
| 00:31.50 | dannythm | why it can give me an 404 error when I do a wget, but if I connect form here to the url I can download the file? |
| 00:31.51 | loxley_ | apogee_XL: weren't you here last night talking about books? then also? |
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| 00:32.05 | gravity | Yes, he was |
| 00:32.06 | Gnea | apogee_XL: you don't understand english at ALL! and dpkg is a bot (read: not a real human being) |
| 00:32.10 | Technel | markybob: Is it possible to just screw Linux (I can reinstall that later) and boot into WinXP?? |
| 00:32.12 | gravity | And I already pointed him to two books |
| 00:32.37 | gravity | Four actually, if he wants to read Japanese |
| 00:32.48 | Gnea | don't they have some sort of greek debian channel? |
| 00:32.50 | markybob | Technel, yeah, if you have a windows boot cd you can have windows rescue fix the mbr. aside from that, no, not really. |
| 00:33.03 | loxley_ | are there any manga based debian books? |
| 00:33.11 | Gnea | loxley_: ROFL |
| 00:33.11 | Technel | markybob: I have the install CD, no boot disc. I can make one from this computer though |
| 00:33.15 | loxley_ | :) |
| 00:33.20 | markybob | Technel, the install cd will work |
| 00:33.30 | Gnea | loxley_: apt-get install hentai |
| 00:33.31 | Gnea | ;) |
| 00:33.32 | apogee_XL | grepp_is Greek |
| 00:33.34 | Technel | markybob, Oh, yeah, it has a repair featurew |
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| 00:33.41 | markybob | Technel, once it boots, it'll ask if you wanna install, upgrade or rescue. pick rescue. then do fixmbr and fixboot |
| 00:33.56 | Rangitoto | What I am trying to do is to make it easy to save files easily (e.g. using OpenOffice.org) to the "D" drive (which has share name "D") on a Windows computer which has IP address "192.168.1.7". What have I done wrong? |
| 00:33.57 | Gnea | apogee_XL: what is 'grepp_is'? |
| 00:34.04 | apogee_XL | Gnea:why are you so bad with me ;-) |
| 00:34.14 | loxley_ | apt-get install cloud sepiroth |
| 00:34.20 | tarzeau | apogee_XL: here a quiz for you http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian.png |
| 00:34.25 | Gnea | apogee_XL: because you don't understand anything. |
| 00:34.41 | SimonRaven | because you're cluless, and need to get some clue, and you refuse to get some |
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| 00:34.47 | apogee_XL | gnea:or ,at least ,you think so.... |
| 00:34.51 | dannythm | the error doing wget can be because I haven't python installed? |
| 00:34.54 | SimonRaven | that's called a cluebie |
| 00:34.56 | beardy | LOL? |
| 00:34.57 | Gnea | apogee_XL: i know so. |
| 00:35.04 | repp_ | apogee_XL: You have seen: http://www.debian.gr/ |
| 00:35.07 | gravity | Ok, chill out. Just ignore him. |
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| 00:35.08 | pepperpot | !lolcount |
| 00:35.25 | tarzeau | !hehcount |
| 00:35.29 | Gnea | wtf is this !lolcount bullshit |
| 00:35.37 | tarzeau | it's broke or i don't remember the exact command |
| 00:35.43 | pepperpot | i don't know. I'm just copying other ppl |
| 00:35.44 | tarzeau | Gnea: dpkg used to count hehs and lols |
| 00:35.45 | Gnea | thank god. |
| 00:35.47 | dotCOMmie | is it possible to stop irssi from printing joins/part for one particular channel? |
| 00:35.51 | SimonRaven | !lolstat |
| 00:35.53 | tarzeau | Gnea: it was fun, 5 years ago |
| 00:36.08 | Gnea | tarzeau: i'm glad it doesn't anymore. find me who took care of that, i owe them some beer. |
| 00:36.22 | dannythm | I get an http 404 not found error doing wget, it can be because I have not python installed? |
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| 00:36.26 | tarzeau | SimonRaven: maybe with s at the end? |
| 00:36.42 | loxley_ | dotCOMmie: if you disable it you might wind up talking to yourself ;) |
| 00:36.44 | beardy | dotCOMmie: Yes. /help ignore |
| 00:36.46 | apogee_XL | repp_okay should i leave the channel and forget about Debian ? |
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| 00:36.48 | SimonRaven | whateva, i don't care enough about it to check |
| 00:36.50 | Gnea | dannythm: doing wget? |
| 00:36.53 | tarzeau | apogee_XL: yes |
| 00:37.03 | thingfish | !house |
| 00:37.03 | dpkg | somebody said house was a place people live |
| 00:37.05 | dannythm | Gnea : yes |
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| 00:37.13 | dotCOMmie | loxley_: better that then trying to read this channel (with all the junk) |
| 00:37.15 | beardy | !factinfo house |
| 00:37.15 | dpkg | house -- created by tomc <lambda@modem-1435.monkey.dialup.pol.co.uk> at Fri Jan 18 23:18:04 2002 (1395 days); it has been requested 6 times, last by thingfish, 12s ago. |
| 00:37.26 | Gnea | dannythm: that's vague, can't help you with that. you need to say exactly what you are doing. |
| 00:37.26 | dotCOMmie | beardy: thanks |
| 00:37.35 | tecywiz121 | Nope that didn't work... My sound still doesn't work and I get the message that the device default cannot be opened for playback |
| 00:37.35 | dotCOMmie | dpkg: try quoting the url |
| 00:37.36 | dregan_ | I am re posting this questions and re-phrasing it to see if anyone has any ideas, (apart from stfw-done that for days) what sort of things would stop an email reader ( express, thunderbird etc) from getting email from a debian server when on a local LAN the email readers work! Postfix/courier agents |
| 00:37.38 | Gnea | dannythm: paste the command at least |
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| 00:37.45 | dannythm | Gnea : i do "wget http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/fglrx_-8.19.10-1.i386.rpm" and it gives to me a 404 error |
| 00:37.58 | SimonRaven | holy, 10 C? amazing |
| 00:38.00 | Gnea | tecywiz121: are you in the audio group? |
| 00:38.13 | Technel | markybob: THANK YOU! You saved me man, thank you! Sorry I am such a newb :) |
| 00:38.15 | thingfish | dpkg: house is also pulsating, driving, dance music. |
| 00:38.15 | dpkg | thingfish: okay |
| 00:38.20 | Gnea | dannythm: do you know what 404 means? |
| 00:38.20 | tecywiz121 | Gnea, i don't think so... Where? |
| 00:38.31 | dannythm | Gnea : I'm trying to isntall ati drivers following this howto: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 00:38.41 | dannythm | Gnea : yes, file not found |
| 00:38.44 | gravity | apogee_XL: You may want to simply do a lot of searching the web and reading on your own |
| 00:38.48 | Gnea | tecywiz121: type this: 'id' without the quotes, and hit enter - does it say 'audio' anywhere? |
| 00:38.57 | gravity | apogee_XL: And come back here with specific questions |
| 00:39.08 | dannythm | Gnea : but check the url, it works!! |
| 00:39.18 | tecywiz121 | Gnea, Yep, 29 right? |
| 00:39.20 | apogee_XL | repp_you didn't read what I wrote before. |
| 00:39.23 | Gnea | tecywiz121: that's when you take the filename out of the url and start to search the webpage for the latest version :) |
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| 00:39.29 | Gnea | i mean |
| 00:39.32 | Gnea | dannythm: ^^^^ |
| 00:39.37 | shai_ | is the i386 a 32bit platform or a 64bit platform? |
| 00:39.41 | repp_ | apogee_XL: You should seek out knowledgable greek debian users. |
| 00:39.49 | tarzeau | shai_: 32bit |
| 00:39.52 | bob2 | shai_: 32-bit... |
| 00:39.53 | beardy | shai_: 32bit |
| 00:39.54 | Gnea | tecywiz121: yup, 29 is right |
| 00:39.57 | shai_ | muchas gracias |
| 00:40.04 | bob2 | shai_: except for amd64/emt64/whatevernameintelinventsnextweek |
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| 00:40.05 | apogee_XL | repp_at the time I was looking for Linux book ,there was nothing available |
| 00:40.08 | Gnea | tecywiz121: ls -l /dev/dsp* |
| 00:40.13 | Shoe | I need help in clearing locks after crash in nfs. Is there a channel for nfs? |
| 00:40.16 | dannythm | Gnea: chenk the url in your browser http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/fglrx_-8.19.10-1.i386.rpm |
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| 00:40.21 | apogee_XL | now I just can't look\ |
| 00:40.28 | bob2 | Shoe: probably going to require a reboot |
| 00:40.30 | Gnea | apogee_XL: yes you can, you just won't. |
| 00:40.38 | dannythm | Gnea: it will work, but when I do wget it tells me 404 error |
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| 00:40.59 | tecywiz121 | Gnea, None |
| 00:41.00 | apogee_XL | Gnea:I cannot afford to buy a book right now ...got now Einstein ??? |
| 00:41.00 | Shoe | I reboot |
| 00:41.05 | Gnea | dannythm: hello, are you retawded? 404 means IT WILL NOT WORK!*%#(*@$ try just http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/ |
| 00:41.06 | Shoe | I rebooted |
| 00:41.16 | Shoe | but the client locks persist |
| 00:41.19 | beardy | apogee_XL: Stop whining about books then. |
| 00:41.25 | widrone | !reboot |
| 00:41.25 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2 |
| 00:41.29 | Gnea | apogee_XL: why didn't you say that in the first place then? fucking idiot! |
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| 00:41.58 | bob2 | Shoe: you rebooted the client and the server? |
| 00:42.06 | apogee_XL | gnea:you are a fucking idiot ..and nothing more ...I suppose |
| 00:42.22 | beardy | apogee_XL: No need for that. |
| 00:42.27 | sparr | i have files a/foo, a/bar, b/baz. id like to make symlinks to them as c/foo, c/bar, c/baz. i cant find a way to automate this (find -exec would work if i could strip the path off the filename for the link). any pointers? |
| 00:42.28 | apogee_XL | gnea:just a plainm stupiod omputer freak,so go fuck yourself |
| 00:42.34 | beardy | !ops |
| 00:42.34 | dpkg | Please invoke '!ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
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| 00:42.38 | dotCOMmie | beardy: its a miracle! |
| 00:42.41 | dannythm | Gnea: ok, and yes, I'm retarded, but i the how to (http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html) thte's a command (dpkg-buildpackage -b -rfakeroot -tc -uc -D) that need to download that file, and I don't know how to do the installing witout bulindign the packages |
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| 00:43.02 | Shoe | Power failure -- client mounts directory -- nis works and directories are mounted but user login to client hangs |
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| 00:43.28 | tecywiz121 | Gnea, There are no files with dsp in them in the /dev/ directory |
| 00:43.29 | beardy | dotCOMmie: Yes, ignoring joins and parts really makes #debian look different :) |
| 00:43.58 | Guerin | Gnea: you're the one who's banging your head against the brick wall, mate |
| 00:44.08 | SimonRaven | you people play too much quake3 or whatever dumbass 3d game is popular right now... |
| 00:45.32 | Rangitoto | tarzeau: <Rangitoto> What I am trying to do is to make it easy to save files easily (e.g. using OpenOffice.org) to the "D" drive (which has share name "D") on a Windows computer which has IP address "192.168.1.7". What have I done wrong? |
| 00:45.32 | Rangitoto | < |
| 00:45.33 | beardy | heh, "pecker", that has another meaning, doesn't it? |
| 00:45.36 | Gnea | dannythm: ok, i've followed that howto before as well - they stopped making that rpm available quite awhile ago - there is another rpm on that site somewhere that you must use - but i'm no ati expert, i use nvidia, so you'll have to do some digging around there to get it to work right. |
| 00:45.47 | apogee_XL | repp_one final question : can't I just manually install the server ?? |
| 00:46.00 | bucky | SimonRaven: America's Army demo is pretty cool |
| 00:46.12 | gunnix | America's army is shit |
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| 00:46.29 | beardy | bucky: demo? |
| 00:46.33 | Gnea | SimonRaven: i gave that game up, the level of stupidity wasn't worth my time. |
| 00:46.38 | SimonRaven | um, i would point out that i don't give a flying fuck? :) |
| 00:46.44 | beardy | And yes, it's shit. |
| 00:46.49 | bucky | beardy: it's about a 750 MB download |
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| 00:47.06 | tecywiz121 | I have one other question, how do I mount something so that normal users can open it? I have a windows partition that i can open but only as root |
| 00:47.19 | dannythm | Gnea: but that's the lastest driver!! |
| 00:47.20 | beardy | !vfatrw |
| 00:47.20 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS. |
| 00:47.27 | beardy | tecywiz121: ^^^ |
| 00:47.35 | Guerin | tecywiz121: did your sound thing fix itself? |
| 00:47.40 | gunnix | America's army is for those who don't even get enough USA propaganda on tv. |
| 00:47.55 | tecywiz121 | Guerin, No just waiting in Gnea |
| 00:47.57 | Gnea | dannythm: if it's the latest driver, then it would be there, and yet it is not, so it is actually NOT the latest driver. THE HOWTO IS OLD, CHECK THE DATE. |
| 00:48.04 | dannythm | Gnea: and if I go to the url it should be the package, I cna download it, and now I have the .rpm in my windwos desktop >< |
| 00:48.05 | Guerin | tecywiz121: good luck |
| 00:48.22 | beardy | dannythm: rpm? |
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| 00:48.53 | dannythm | beardy : yes, ati don't give us .deb's lol |
| 00:48.54 | tictac | gunnix: although, it's supposed to be like "the real thing", it's very much not. |
| 00:49.07 | konfuzed | ok so im just about to turn this amd athlon 600 box on and start isntalling debian via the 110mb disc |
| 00:49.21 | tictac | err bucky |
| 00:49.29 | bucky | what |
| 00:49.46 | beardy | dannythm: If every atibuyer mailed them, perhaps they would. |
| 00:49.48 | konfuzed | I just found a nother stick of ram and have to debate if its worth putting it in or I should just save it for the next box |
| 00:49.49 | tecywiz121 | Guerin, Thanks |
| 00:49.50 | tictac | bucky: although, it's supposed to be like "the real thing", it's very much not. |
| 00:49.53 | dannythm | Gnea: i've donwloaded the package in windows puting the url in IE, but when I do the wget with the same url in the linux console it tells me error 404.... |
| 00:50.00 | konfuzed | it has 256MB at 7.5 |
| 00:50.05 | gunnix | tictac: you have to say everything twice ? :p |
| 00:50.08 | konfuzed | and I just found another one lieing around |
| 00:50.09 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: oh, that was a "would you accept a patch to...", not a "would you hack it to..." question |
| 00:50.15 | bucky | tictac: they train snipers with that |
| 00:50.30 | tictac | gunnix: he's blind and didnt know what i was talking about. |
| 00:50.33 | dotCOMmie | dannythm: what does wget say? |
| 00:50.34 | tictac | bucky: no they dont. trust me. |
| 00:50.38 | Guerin | wtf |
| 00:50.46 | konfuzed | it affects the swap disk setup as my real concern |
| 00:50.49 | Guerin | you can't train snipers with a computer game |
| 00:51.03 | Gnea | dannythm: that's messed up. |
| 00:51.05 | konfuzed | some how im doubtful that this box will use more than 256 |
| 00:51.05 | tictac | Guerin: some people believe anything. |
| 00:51.06 | Guerin | if you knew anyone who'd ever trained as a sniper you'd know this |
| 00:51.12 | bucky | that kid that shot up that high school trained with it |
| 00:51.20 | Guerin | tictac: yeah |
| 00:51.21 | Guerin | well |
| 00:51.26 | tictac | bucky: your an idiot. |
| 00:51.30 | beardy | They said the Us marines trained with Doom (the first game), heh.. |
| 00:51.31 | gunnix | lol, I think they use america's army to make people dumb if anything |
| 00:51.34 | bob2 | America's Army does do a good job of finding kids who can stand gore and like guns, though. |
| 00:51.37 | bucky | !moron tictac |
| 00:51.38 | dpkg | tictac: You are moron #69 |
| 00:51.45 | bob2 | come on folks |
| 00:51.58 | Guerin | i suppose computer games can be used to train you to keep still for long periods of time, suppressing needs like hunger, thirst, sleep, excretion |
| 00:52.05 | Gnea | dannythm: it appears that ATI is dropping its support for Linux. |
| 00:52.25 | konfuzed | besides it even worth having 512 mb ram with a 600 mhz processor |
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| 00:52.31 | gunnix | Gnea: dropping support for linux wtf, like they had any support in the first place... |
| 00:52.35 | tictac | american's army is for recruiters to bring infantrymen into the army who generally are dumb as a box of rocks. |
| 00:52.43 | gunnix | idd |
| 00:52.43 | dotCOMmie | konfuzed: wont hurt |
| 00:52.53 | tictac | and/or people that score less than a 50 on the asvab. |
| 00:52.54 | gravity | Gnea: link? |
| 00:53.01 | konfuzed | thats exactly why I wonder if using this ATI Rage Pro in my new install is a bad idea |
| 00:53.22 | Gnea | gunnix: yeah really |
| 00:53.22 | dannythm | Gnea: so what should I do to install my drivers? |
| 00:53.27 | konfuzed | dotCOMmie: it'll only hurt if I later have to pull the ram out to put in another box I got laying raround here |
| 00:53.31 | Gnea | gravity: http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/fglrx_-8.19.10-1.i386.rpm |
| 00:53.37 | konfuzed | there being 6 of them lieing around |
| 00:53.38 | bob2 | konfuzed: that card is approximately five thousand years old |
| 00:53.45 | gravity | Gnea: How is that "dropping support for linux"? |
| 00:53.46 | bob2 | konfuzed: I don't think ati's future plans will affect that |
| 00:53.50 | Gnea | dannythm: hold on... there may be a way... |
| 00:53.53 | bucky | Gnea: ATI is Micro$oft's bitch |
| 00:53.54 | Gnea | gravity: sec... |
| 00:53.56 | SimonRaven | even the title sounds like a recruitment ad or show... |
| 00:53.57 | konfuzed | yeah but I have the identical model chip on an AGP card and a PCI card |
| 00:54.14 | Gnea | gravity: i'm about to prove myself right or wrong ;) |
| 00:54.17 | konfuzed | does debian have any problems with those cards? |
| 00:54.18 | gravity | Yep |
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| 00:54.34 | beardy | bob2: You have great approxiamtion skill ;) |
| 00:54.37 | gravity | konfuzed: Those are old cards and should be fine |
| 00:54.38 | tictac | konfuzed: no. and it will never have any problems with those cards. |
| 00:54.51 | konfuzed | great |
| 00:55.08 | konfuzed | ive had issues with ati on other *nix before |
| 00:55.14 | bob2 | beardy: rounding to the nearest five thousand, of course |
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| 00:55.46 | konfuzed | now i only buy AMD CPU with nvidia chipset and nvidia graphics |
| 00:56.06 | ic1 | i am trying to mount multiple scsi drives...i only know how to "mount /dev/sdb2 /mnt" but i already have something else mounted there...how can i /mnt to different directories? |
| 00:56.09 | tictac | konfuzed: should change that amd cpu as well. :P |
| 00:56.24 | Gnea | dannythm: ok... |
| 00:56.24 | Guerin | ic1: make directories inside /mnt |
| 00:56.28 | Firestarter2 | I have a 2.6.8-2-686 kernel image that I downloaded for my debian system. What debian souce package should I download for compiling programs that require the kernel source |
| 00:56.28 | beardy | ic1: Just by doing it. |
| 00:56.34 | Guerin | ic1: you should never mount anything directly on /mnt |
| 00:56.44 | tictac | konfuzed: i heard a rumor that amd was going to drop linux support. ;) |
| 00:56.45 | konfuzed | nvidia all the way because they licensed AMD technology for the bus and ram handling |
| 00:56.58 | Guerin | Firestarter2: kernel-source-(same) |
| 00:56.58 | Gnea | dannythm: it would appear that ati has not dropped support for linux, but their webserver has dropped support for wget and firefox - try to download it in linux with the standard mozilla-browser |
| 00:57.00 | ic1 | i tried to "mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/sda2" but i get an error |
| 00:57.02 | konfuzed | tictac: not a chance |
| 00:57.05 | beardy | ic1: To keep things nice, do what Guerin said, make directories under /mnt, and mount to them. |
| 00:57.07 | ic1 | says it doesnt exist |
| 00:57.07 | konfuzed | funny joke though |
| 00:57.25 | beardy | ic1: Create the directory first. |
| 00:57.26 | ic1 | mkdir /mnt/sda2? |
| 00:57.26 | tictac | konfuzed: its not possible, even if they wanted to incorporate that policy. |
| 00:57.32 | dannythm | Gnea: funny... i'm trying to install the drivers because I cannot acces any GUI >< |
| 00:57.33 | dotCOMmie | Gnea: have a url? I'd like to check it out |
| 00:57.51 | Gnea | dotCOMmie: http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/fglrx_-8.19.10-1.i386.rpm |
| 00:57.57 | konfuzed | tictac: do you mean not possible for nvidia or for amd |
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| 00:58.15 | tictac | either. |
| 00:58.22 | Gnea | interesting |
| 00:58.26 | ic1 | first, what is the MAKE DIR command...and can i then give permissions to the entire /mnt directory and use -R to get all subs? |
| 00:58.26 | Gnea | ok it WILL work in firefox |
| 00:58.33 | Gnea | ic1: mkdir |
| 00:58.37 | deadcat | i need myspell-en-us for spell checks in OO2 right? |
| 00:58.44 | konfuzed | tictac: regaerding the AMD tech in Nvidia - I read it from both of them |
| 00:58.45 | dannythm | this si good... my windows is not working, OSx86 will never boot the gui and now this in debian... great >< |
| 00:58.53 | beardy | ic1: You said it yourself a few lines up. |
| 00:58.56 | Firestarter2 | Guerin: I see kernel-source-2.6.8 but no 2.6.8-2-686 should the 2.6.8 work? |
| 00:58.58 | Gnea | dannythm: ok, there's a way to do this... |
| 00:59.05 | konfuzed | that was the turning point for me to consider using nvidia |
| 00:59.08 | dannythm | Gnea: how? |
| 00:59.12 | konfuzed | never used it before |
| 00:59.14 | bob2 | dannythm: that sounds like hardware fuckage |
| 00:59.20 | bob2 | dannythm: have you run memtest86? |
| 00:59.23 | Guerin | Firestarter2: yeah. If you just need to build extra modules and stuff, get the kernel-headers package |
| 00:59.27 | dondelelcaro | bob2: oh, sure. |
| 00:59.29 | beardy | dannythm: Use the vesa driver. |
| 00:59.34 | dondelelcaro | bob2: assuming it was written sanely, of course. |
| 00:59.34 | dannythm | bob2: what? |
| 00:59.37 | ic1 | ok...i am doing "mkdir /sda1" nothing happens and i dont see it in the /mnt directory" |
| 00:59.47 | beardy | ic1: .. |
| 00:59.53 | beardy | ic1: read that again |
| 00:59.54 | Guerin | ic1: muh |
| 00:59.59 | widrone | ic1: The 'make' command is another beat all together, you will get to that part sooner then you think. If that happent think 'apt-get'. |
| 01:00.01 | dondelelcaro | bob2: actually, what I'd prefer to accept is a patch that every hour or so did a HEAD and redownloaded the packages if appropriate. |
| 01:00.03 | Guerin | ic1: unmount whatever is mounted on /mnt |
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| 01:00.14 | Guerin | ic1: then do mkdir /mnt/sda1 |
| 01:00.44 | widrone | ic1: 'umount /mnt', then make the dir and then try again. |
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| 01:01.18 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: hmmm, good point |
| 01:01.19 | widrone | ic1: A new convert are you. What debian are you running? |
| 01:01.22 | ic1 | ahhh...i think i mounted on the mount...when i unmounted, everything that was there is gone, but my data from another part is ther now!! whoops! |
| 01:01.28 | ic1 | yes i am |
| 01:01.32 | ic1 | sarge |
| 01:01.48 | ic1 | i got samba installed and workign!! that was my main concern |
| 01:01.50 | beardy | widrone: There can be only one. |
| 01:01.56 | dannythm | bob2: my hardwar is ok, the fact is that I'm runing a beta of windows vista, OSx86 that's not any offical OS from apple and have no support or comp asurance, then debian is hard if you are newbe n_nUu |
| 01:02.08 | ic1 | now i am trying to give the users access to the data!! |
| 01:02.29 | dannythm | Gnea: what can I do? |
| 01:02.41 | Gnea | wait... |
| 01:02.48 | dannythm | Gnea: ok |
| 01:03.05 | welson_ | anyone trying out mysql 5.0? I'm I forced to use mysqld_safe ? |
| 01:03.08 | SimonRaven | debian isn't hard, it just doesn't hold you by the hand |
| 01:03.18 | Gnea | dannythm: i'm sorry, i'm wrong - the file is indeed NOT there. |
| 01:03.33 | Gnea | dannythm: in fact, the file you downloaded with IE is a fake. |
| 01:03.42 | Gnea | dannythm: look at it - it's only 15 bytes! |
| 01:03.45 | ic1 | omg, i had it like mounted 5 times!! haha |
| 01:03.49 | dannythm | Gnea: O_o |
| 01:03.57 | dannythm | Gnea: yeah... you're right |
| 01:04.06 | Gnea | dannythm: now open it with notepad |
| 01:04.11 | dannythm | Gnea: then.... what can I do? |
| 01:04.12 | Gnea | it'll say |
| 01:04.16 | Gnea | File not found.Ú |
| 01:04.16 | widrone | !GNU/Linux |
| 01:04.17 | dpkg | hmm... gnu/linux is the GNU system running with the Linux kernel or the choice of the GNU generation, or ask me about "linux-and-gnu" and "why-gnu-linux" |
| 01:04.24 | gunnix | Gnea: https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=300 , I think the driver is located somewhere else .. |
| 01:04.34 | Gnea | gunnix: that's what i said originally |
| 01:04.44 | bob2 | nu: tone is the best dj, eva |
| 01:04.58 | ic1 | widrone: thnx, i got the mounts all set up now!! |
| 01:05.34 | gunnix | Gnea: hehe ok |
| 01:05.38 | dannythm | Gnea: O_o... so what can I do to install any driver? the vesa, the xorg, fglrx.. I don't care... |
| 01:05.43 | widrone | ic1: The sommand 'mount' just shows it. Try all commands with --help or try 'man "program name"' to get pages showing loads of information. |
| 01:05.54 | Gnea | dannythm: see that link that gunnix just pasted? go there. |
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| 01:06.02 | beardy | !drxx dannythm |
| 01:06.02 | widrone | !tell ic1 about man |
| 01:06.03 | dpkg | dannythm: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 01:06.39 | OldakQuill | I am having problems playing sound for any filetype in certain programmes (xine, totem), any tips? |
| 01:06.48 | systray` | it's possible to set a maximum of sockets for a each user? |
| 01:06.50 | systray` | unix user |
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| 01:07.02 | ic1 | widrone: i have been using the man pages!! i try to do things myself first =) |
| 01:07.08 | bob2 | systray`: as in tcp/ip ones? |
| 01:07.08 | widrone | ic1: Then there is 'apt-cache' for you fix of debian packages, gets you all the search potions. |
| 01:07.10 | gunnix | OldakQuill: you got alsa-base installed and ran alsa-config ? |
| 01:07.20 | loxley_ | ic1: and look into fstab if you want the disks mounted at reboot |
| 01:07.21 | systray` | bob2: both |
| 01:07.21 | bob2 | systray`: I think the limit defaults to 65535-1204 ;p |
| 01:07.22 | widrone | ic1: /s/potions/options |
| 01:07.22 | dannythm | dpkg: when I was trying to fix my poblem and trying to install agian xorg, I uninstalled everything, I cannot do that |
| 01:07.28 | beardy | ic1: Read first, do when you know how. |
| 01:07.29 | OldakQuill | Well, sound once orked |
| 01:07.31 | OldakQuill | worked |
| 01:07.39 | ic1 | ahhh...loxley: thanks...i was wondering about that |
| 01:07.53 | gunnix | OldakQuill: I ment alsaconf |
| 01:08.08 | OldakQuill | I'll give it a go |
| 01:08.09 | systray` | and for setting ONE ip for a user? |
| 01:08.11 | ic1 | is fstab /var/fstab? |
| 01:08.18 | SimonRaven | no |
| 01:08.19 | systray` | no |
| 01:08.21 | systray` | /etc/fstab |
| 01:08.23 | SimonRaven | /etc |
| 01:08.28 | ic1 | thnx |
| 01:08.29 | beardy | and the manual says that.. |
| 01:08.43 | SimonRaven | FILES |
| 01:08.48 | ic1 | neat |
| 01:08.52 | dannythm | Gnea: now, I have the rpm... what I do now? because I need the packages to follow the howto... |
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| 01:09.36 | OldakQuill | How do I run alsa config? |
| 01:09.47 | loxley_ | OldakQuill: alsaconf |
| 01:09.55 | gunnix | OldakQuill: first do "su" to become root |
| 01:10.11 | gunnix | OldakQuill: in a terminal! |
| 01:10.20 | gunnix | OldakQuill: then type alsaco,f |
| 01:10.21 | OldakQuill | Yeah, command wasn't found though |
| 01:10.24 | bob2 | you don't need to, generally |
| 01:10.25 | gunnix | OldakQuill: then type alsaconf |
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| 01:10.33 | beardy | OldakQuill: alsa<TAB><TAB>, use what seems like the correct one. |
| 01:10.37 | gunnix | OldakQuill: then first do apt-get install alsa-base |
| 01:10.43 | OldakQuill | I have |
| 01:10.49 | beardy | !alsa 2.6 |
| 01:10.49 | dpkg | On Sarge with a 2.6 kernel, to use ALSA, apt-get install alsa-utils discover1. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
| 01:11.07 | bob2 | wtf |
| 01:11.09 | bob2 | that's crap |
| 01:11.20 | bob2 | OldakQuill: get rid of alsa-utils and discover |
| 01:11.42 | dannythm | Gnea: I presume that I have to have any xserver installed so i cna install the driver isn't it? |
| 01:11.58 | bucky | alsaconf is in alsa-utils |
| 01:12.00 | dannythm | Gnea: so I heve not installed xorg nor xfree |
| 01:12.04 | Gnea | dannythm: try xorg, if that doesn't work, then xfree86 |
| 01:12.12 | widrone | !etc |
| 01:12.12 | dpkg | hmm... etc is something marginally brain-dead people say when they know their statement is incomplete, but they can't figure out how to complete it or /etc, the directory that contains all the config files |
| 01:12.15 | gunnix | By the way, can any of you play 2 different sounds simultanously in debian ? (I can't :/ ) |
| 01:12.21 | dannythm | Gnea: pat-get install xserver-xfree? |
| 01:12.23 | widrone | That is really funny you know. |
| 01:12.30 | Gnea | dannythm: no, xserver-xorg |
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| 01:12.42 | dannythm | Gnea: ok |
| 01:12.46 | beardy | gunnix: Get a real soundcard, or try some sound daemon. |
| 01:13.00 | Guerin | gunnix: /msg dpkg dmix |
| 01:13.10 | gunnix | beardy: It's a real one.. in freebsd it works |
| 01:13.23 | dannythm | Gnea: it tellsme that it hase non compete dependences, that the package depens on the xserver-comon one |
| 01:13.26 | beardy | gunnix: Sounds like it's not. |
| 01:13.36 | dannythm | Gnea: I do apt-get install xserver-common? |
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| 01:14.10 | beardy | !install x |
| 01:14.10 | dpkg | install xf4 is, like, apt-get install read-edid mdetect discover; apt-get install x-window-system-core (plus whatever window manager you like, etc.), or ask me about "set up x", or "configure xf4" |
| 01:14.27 | OldakQuill | Huzzah - works now. I had to install discover1 for it to recognise alsaconf |
| 01:14.34 | OldakQuill | Thanks for your help |
| 01:14.52 | Gnea | dannythm: if it's not installing it for you, then something is wrong. |
| 01:14.55 | dannythm | Gnea: If i do apt-get install xserver-common says the same error but with x11-common |
| 01:15.00 | Gnea | dannythm: are you running sarge? |
| 01:15.09 | dannythm | Gnea: yes |
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| 01:15.26 | Gnea | dannythm: oh, xorg isn't in sarge |
| 01:15.31 | widrone | dannythm: And apt-get update is ok too? |
| 01:15.33 | Gnea | dannythm: you're stuck with xfree86 |
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| 01:15.42 | Gnea | xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:16.05 | dannythm | Gnea: if I do apt-get install x11-common it beguins, then stops giving me the error on python |
| 01:16.26 | dannythm | Gnea: I had xorg installed, I have the sources.list updated to get xorg |
| 01:16.26 | Gnea | dannythm: what error? use the pastebot |
| 01:16.27 | Gnea | !paste |
| 01:16.28 | dpkg | from memory, paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 01:16.47 | dannythm | Gnea: I'll paste it on #flood ok? |
| 01:16.55 | Kerr | ergh/ |
| 01:16.55 | Gnea | ok |
| 01:18.00 | ic1 | how do you remove a directory? |
| 01:18.16 | Kerr | Gnea: my laptop and box can ping eachother, but the laptop won't pick up a lease; can you look at my interfaces file (pm) ? to se if i have things right? |
| 01:18.22 | beardy | !tell ic1 -about reference |
| 01:18.24 | beardy | read it |
| 01:18.41 | beardy | ic1: rm(1) |
| 01:18.59 | bob2 | dpkg: realtek is also http://freebsd.active-venture.com/FreeBSD-srctree/newsrc/pci/if_rl.c.html |
| 01:18.59 | dpkg | bob2: okay |
| 01:19.06 | bob2 | (for future reference) |
| 01:19.28 | beardy | ic1: rmdir if it's empty |
| 01:20.29 | Gnea | dannythm: tell me, how are you going to restart X if X isn't running in the first place? :) |
| 01:20.42 | dannythm | Gnea: hmm... true xD |
| 01:20.48 | ic1 | what is the (1) for? |
| 01:20.54 | bob2 | man page section |
| 01:20.59 | bob2 | = run 'man 1 rm' |
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| 01:21.06 | bob2 | tho 'man rm' will probably default to that |
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| 01:21.45 | dannythm | Gnea: the location of the mouse in sarge is /dev/...? |
| 01:21.47 | ic1 | thanks!! i didnt know what to man page! |
| 01:22.13 | ic1 | what do i man for removing a ln ? |
| 01:22.14 | Gnea | dannythm: well what kind of mouse is it? what port does it plug into? |
| 01:22.14 | dannythm | Gnea: /dev/anythinIdon'tnow/mouse |
| 01:22.35 | widrone | ic1: Thats the worst with man, but man man would give you the -k or -K option to man =) |
| 01:22.36 | dannythm | Gnea: is usb mouse |
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| 01:22.53 | beardy | ic1: "a ln"? a symlink, or what do you mean? |
| 01:22.59 | widrone | ic1: Youre doing better then most at it their first time thu. no yelling yet! |
| 01:22.59 | Gnea | Kerr: lookst right so far |
| 01:23.07 | ic1 | yes, sm link |
| 01:23.13 | ic1 | symlink* |
| 01:23.15 | dannythm | Gnea: /dev/input/mice? |
| 01:23.16 | Gnea | dannythm: try /dev/input/micd |
| 01:23.18 | Gnea | dannythm: try /dev/input/mice |
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| 01:23.23 | Gnea | yeah |
| 01:23.26 | dannythm | Gnea: ok |
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| 01:23.35 | beardy | ic1: rm removes symlinks too, rm removes everything that is a file, which everything is. |
| 01:23.35 | cheal | Guerin: isn't it you that said that rtl 8139 was a good NIC? :) |
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| 01:23.50 | widrone | I mself is a bit workkied that he is already removing symlinks, but hey. |
| 01:24.14 | ic1 | so i can like rm /acup and it should take out the symlink i made? |
| 01:24.28 | dannythm | Gnea: it gives the error processing python |
| 01:24.31 | Gnea | Kerr: can you see this? |
| 01:24.41 | beardy | ic1: You can (sometimes) get suggestions on programs to use by trying 'apropos file' or 'apropos delete', or whatever you are looking for. |
| 01:24.44 | ic1 | i forgot to chmod the file so i didnt have access to anything and i wanted to change the filename to lowercase anyway |
| 01:24.57 | Gnea | dannythm: can you move the mouse around now? |
| 01:25.12 | ic1 | "apropos?" |
| 01:25.20 | Guerin | cheal: i never said they were good, i said they worked, were supported by linux, and were cheap and plentiful. |
| 01:25.22 | beardy | ic1: man apropos ;) |
| 01:25.26 | dannythm | Gnea: errors found proccesing: python2.4-minimal E:sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned and error code (1) |
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| 01:25.28 | ic1 | hehe |
| 01:25.30 | ic1 | gotcha |
| 01:25.41 | dannythm | Gnea: yes, I can move the mouse |
| 01:26.09 | Gnea | dannythm: ok, go back to #flood, select the entire error with the left mouse drag, then paste with the middle button |
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| 01:26.50 | dannythm | Gnea: errr... I'm usign differnet computers |
| 01:27.38 | Gnea | dannythm: so get on irc with that computer - apt-get install irssi-text |
| 01:27.48 | cheal | Guerin: ok |
| 01:27.56 | dannythm | Gnea: IRC with no gui? cool... |
| 01:28.06 | imex | anyone can help me with this error when installing XChat? cannot find -lperl |
| 01:28.09 | Gnea | dannythm: been doing it for over a decade, where've you been? ;) |
| 01:28.10 | widrone | ic1: apropos yes, that is good for questions sometimes. |
| 01:28.13 | cheal | !realtek |
| 01:28.13 | dpkg | realtek is probably a piece of crap chipset that fortunately is a lot better if you use the 8139too driver in 2.2.18 and 2.4.0 instead of rtl8139. a chip that has a pretty high server load while transmitting data. very cheap and common as an embedded ethernet controller, or http://freebsd.active-venture.com/FreeBSD-srctree/newsrc/pci/if_rl.c.html |
| 01:28.24 | widrone | beardy: Thanks, almost forgot that one. |
| 01:28.24 | cheal | how can a driver make a chipset better :? |
| 01:28.40 | dannythm | Gnea: using windows....¬¬Uu |
| 01:28.41 | widrone | cheal: Less bugs, more chipset bug workarounds! |
| 01:28.48 | Gnea | LMAO |
| 01:28.56 | cheal | widrone: hm |
| 01:29.17 | dannythm | Gnea: but I saw the light a year ago (well I get my own comp and the first thig I did was try t isntall debian lol) |
| 01:29.27 | imex | anyone?? cannot find -lperl |
| 01:29.28 | cheal | bob2: what's the use of the new link BTW? |
| 01:29.29 | Gnea | dannythm: good step :) |
| 01:29.34 | dannythm | Gnea: arrr.... |
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| 01:30.04 | dannythm | Gnea: same python error when doing apt-get install irssi-text |
| 01:31.49 | Gnea | dannythm: apt-get -f install <-- what package is it complaining about? |
| 01:32.18 | Kerr | Gnea: ? |
| 01:32.52 | dannythm | Gnea: python2.4-minimal... then it gives the same exact error, the memory one I posted in flood.... |
| 01:33.15 | Gnea | Kerr: you need to setup ip masquerading |
| 01:33.21 | Gnea | Kerr: apt-get install dnsmaq |
| 01:33.25 | Gnea | Kerr: apt-get install dnsmasq |
| 01:33.28 | cheal | and how can a network chip have a "high server load"? |
| 01:33.29 | resiak | Hmm. I'm looking for a table of X key compositions. Where could I find one? I've looked around /etc/X11 for a while. |
| 01:33.51 | Gnea | dannythm: apt-get remove python2.4-minimal |
| 01:33.53 | Gnea | dannythm: i brb |
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| 01:34.45 | dannythm | Gnea: ok, done, no error (weeeeee!!!) |
| 01:34.51 | dannythm | Gnea: what now? |
| 01:35.09 | widrone | cheal: Dunn, maybe by trying to offload tcp/ip stuff into the cpu. Calculations etc |
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| 01:35.38 | Kerr | Gnea: i'd have thought http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/23 did that? (it has eth0 and 1 reversed) |
| 01:35.39 | widrone | cheal: Im in guess waters here, what you reading? The cpipset factiod url? |
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| 01:35.52 | cheal | widrone: just the factoid itself :| |
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| 01:36.11 | cire | I'd like a script to be executed by the owner, not the one how calls it. How may I do that? |
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| 01:36.15 | cheal | but is that chip actually used in servers? |
| 01:36.27 | gOx | hi |
| 01:36.38 | alex_ | hi |
| 01:36.52 | gOx | i speak in spanish |
| 01:36.55 | Gnea | Kerr: it will too - dnsmasq is just simpler |
| 01:36.57 | cheal | !es |
| 01:36.57 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 01:36.58 | Gnea | !es |
| 01:36.59 | bob2 | cheal: oh, just amusement value |
| 01:37.03 | Gnea | cha-ching |
| 01:37.04 | gOx | ;) |
| 01:37.09 | smacnay | does one need to be root to burn cd's with both cdrecord (yes I think) and cdrdao (not sure)? |
| 01:37.19 | gOx | thanks |
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| 01:37.27 | cheal | bob2: ok, the joy of reading chipset bugs workarounds? |
| 01:37.40 | dannythm | Gnea: what I do know? try to install python? |
| 01:37.40 | Gnea | smacnay: only if they're not setuid |
| 01:37.45 | Kerr | Gnea: The script doesn't seem to work.. so, i gues i;ll read up on dnsmasq? |
| 01:37.59 | Gnea | dannythm: well, did it uninstall? |
| 01:38.08 | widrone | bob2: Great link, nice. |
| 01:38.08 | dannythm | Gnea: ir seems so... |
| 01:38.26 | Gnea | Kerr: try dnsmasq |
| 01:38.38 | dannythm | Gnea: it seems so |
| 01:38.40 | Gnea | dannythm: ok, try installing irssi-text then |
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| 01:38.53 | dannythm | it sas that is installed |
| 01:38.59 | Gnea | :) |
| 01:39.00 | Gnea | cool |
| 01:39.05 | Gnea | then you fixed that bit of it |
| 01:39.05 | dannythm | Gnea: it says that is installed |
| 01:39.16 | dannythm | Gnea: yes... |
| 01:39.35 | dannythm | Gnea: now I execute irssi? |
| 01:39.39 | Gnea | dannythm: ok, so now get on irc with it and come here |
| 01:39.57 | Gnea | dannythm: but not as root |
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| 01:40.18 | beardy | haha |
| 01:40.20 | Gnea | rofl |
| 01:40.29 | beardy | is it him? |
| 01:40.34 | Gnea | yeah :) |
| 01:40.35 | beardy | damn |
| 01:40.36 | widrone | root: Then there will be laugther. |
| 01:40.49 | beardy | ~tell root about root |
| 01:41.18 | Gnea | root: sorry, i should have told you on that same line - login and irc as a regular user on the system, not as root |
| 01:41.27 | bob2 | cheal: yeah |
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| 01:42.19 | nekostar | er |
| 01:42.23 | Gnea | re |
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| 01:42.32 | Gnea | danny: much better :) |
| 01:42.34 | nekostar | all the sudden i have audio in only one of 5.1 channels.... what could do that and what can i do to fix it !_! |
| 01:42.57 | dannythm | Gnea: now what? |
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| 01:43.01 | beardy | nekostar: all of a sudden? Check your cables? |
| 01:43.03 | litage | which should i set as the default locale, en_AU or en_AU.UTF-8? |
| 01:43.06 | Gnea | dannythm: now check this out - type /join #flood |
| 01:43.27 | beardy | litage: Depends on what you want, of course. |
| 01:43.35 | litage | beardy: what's the difference? |
| 01:43.51 | beardy | litage: One is UTF-8, and the other one is not? |
| 01:43.54 | nekostar | omfg |
| 01:43.58 | nekostar | <3 beardy |
| 01:44.07 | nekostar | i TOTALLY forgot about cables |
| 01:44.15 | litage | thanks beardy =P |
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| 01:44.26 | Kerr | Gnea: I don't use dhcp for the laptop, and have the dns servers specified.. what exactly does dnsmasq do? |
| 01:44.29 | nekostar | <<---- first class idiot |
| 01:44.41 | nekostar | beardy, do you like amv's? |
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| 01:44.54 | beardy | nekostar: what are they? |
| 01:45.07 | nekostar | hehe got this great one fcalled the purpose of persocoms |
| 01:45.08 | Gnea | Kerr: apt-cache show dnsmasq <-- that will tell you |
| 01:45.12 | nekostar | -f |
| 01:45.35 | nekostar | hehe very entertaining ~_^ care for it in place of a cookie ? |
| 01:45.35 | nekostar | :P |
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| 01:46.17 | tecywiz121 | hello again... I got the harddisk access working but i still can't get sound to work... |
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| 01:48.32 | beardy | nekostar: ehm, please don't do that again, to anyone. |
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| 01:48.41 | Gnea | dannythm: there? |
| 01:48.46 | Kerr | Gnea: i don't see anything to do with static ips... and i don't see the point in dynamicaly allocating on a one-ip network.. i've tried to read over the config, but i can't spot it. |
| 01:48.52 | dannythm | Gnea: yes |
| 01:49.05 | nekostar | er kay sorry |
| 01:49.08 | Gnea | Kerr: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 01:49.16 | Gnea | Kerr: 0 or 1? |
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| 01:49.43 | Kerr | 1 |
| 01:49.48 | nekostar | e |
| 01:50.45 | Kerr | Gnea: that's changed to 1 by the script from http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/23 |
| 01:50.45 | Gnea | dannythm: apt-get remove python2.4-minimal && apt-get install apt-listbugs && apt-listbugs list python2.4-minimal |
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| 01:51.08 | Gnea | Kerr: iptables -nvL -t nat |
| 01:51.19 | dannythm | Gnea: ok |
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| 01:52.56 | tecywiz121 | so I still ahve my sound problem and I can't get it too work. There are no dsp devices in the dev folder |
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| 01:53.42 | [A]Flamethrower | Yeah.. |
| 01:53.46 | abrotman | so load the right driver |
| 01:53.51 | abrotman | !tell wanabe about root |
| 01:54.00 | [A]Flamethrower | I need help getting Debian to install on a SATA hdd on nForce4 SATA. |
| 01:54.12 | tecywiz121 | i did that, it worked really well |
| 01:54.16 | abrotman | !sarge hardware support |
| 01:54.16 | dpkg | i heard sarge hardware support is reasonable, but not cutting edge. XFree86 does not support nVidia 6-series or 7-series graphics cards or ATI X-series cards, without binary drivers or VESA. There is also little to no support for modern Intel i9x5-ICH6 boards, nor CPU Frequency scaling on Dothan core Pentium-M chips, nor Venice and San Diego core Athlon 64 chips. |
| 01:54.21 | dannythm | Gnea:ok done |
| 01:54.35 | abrotman | [A]Flamethrower: did you try the linux26 installer ? |
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| 01:54.45 | [A]Flamethrower | ?? |
| 01:54.59 | [A]Flamethrower | What woudl that be? |
| 01:55.07 | abrotman | !ig |
| 01:55.07 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 01:55.14 | dannythm | Gnea: (can I now, put a better res to the console?) |
| 01:55.25 | [A]Flamethrower | I used a netinstall cd if that matters... |
| 01:55.42 | Gnea | Kerr: iptables-save > iptables.save |
| 01:55.51 | Gnea | Kerr: then open iptables.save in an editor |
| 01:56.11 | abrotman | [A]Flamethrower: did you read the install guide ? |
| 01:56.27 | [A]Flamethrower | Yes. |
| 01:56.32 | tecywiz121 | Flamethrower, If you don't want to just read the command line options |
| 01:56.35 | abrotman | and you don't know what linux26 is ? |
| 01:56.41 | [A]Flamethrower | I skim through. |
| 01:56.49 | Gnea | dannythm: i'm not sure how to do that properly without messing something up |
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| 01:56.55 | Kerr | Gnea: done |
| 01:56.56 | [A]Flamethrower | The debian installer locks at 84%, while loading the IDE drivers. |
| 01:57.17 | [A]Flamethrower | linux-ide or something. |
| 01:57.19 | Gnea | dannythm: apt-listbugs list python2.4-minimal <-- does that return anything? |
| 01:57.31 | tecywiz121 | Flamethrower, You have to use the linux26 or it freezes, it did the same for me |
| 01:57.40 | dannythm | Gnea: well, I got much mess... If I cand fix all the mess in better res it could be better |
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| 01:58.00 | [A]Flamethrower | How would I do so, tecywiz121? |
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| 01:58.14 | abrotman | [A]Flamethrower: you could .. read the install guide ? |
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| 01:58.25 | Gnea | Kerr: look for the POSTROUTING line that defines the MASQUERADE, should look like this: -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 01:58.27 | tecywiz121 | Flamethrower, ok when you boot with the installer, read the options its like F9 or something like that |
| 01:58.28 | [A]Flamethrower | That's a lot of pages of unrelated things. |
| 01:58.28 | dannythm | Gnea: it returns: EReading package fields... Done |
| 01:58.28 | dannythm | Reading package status... Done |
| 01:58.28 | dannythm | Retrieving bug reports... Done |
| 01:58.44 | Gnea | dannythm: aaah, make sure you do the multiple-line pasting in #flood :) |
| 01:58.49 | abrotman | [A]Flamethrower: so .. read some of them ? |
| 01:58.55 | dannythm | Gnea: ok |
| 01:59.05 | Kerr | -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 01:59.06 | Kerr | ? |
| 01:59.10 | sanxiyn | dannythm: apt-listbugs? |
| 01:59.10 | Gnea | dannythm: ok, then i'm not sure what's wrong with it.... :/ |
| 01:59.10 | [A]Flamethrower | Read which part? |
| 01:59.11 | abrotman | #iptables ? |
| 01:59.22 | abrotman | [A]Flamethrower: the part that pertains to linux26 |
| 01:59.42 | dannythm | Gnea: oh.... shit... I don't want to reinstall debian >< |
| 01:59.57 | [A]Flamethrower | *sigh* Where in the table of content is that? |
| 01:59.58 | Gnea | Kerr: make it look like this: -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -s 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0 -j MASQUERADE save, quit, iptables-restore < iptables.save |
| 02:00.03 | sanxiyn | dannythm: What's the problem? |
| 02:00.16 | Gnea | dannythm: shouldn't have to... |
| 02:00.19 | dannythm | Gnea: well... maybe I can install xfree then install teh ati drivers |
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| 02:00.34 | Gnea | sanxiyn: his python2.4-minimal package in sarge keeps blowing up on him |
| 02:00.34 | sanxiyn | dannythm: The output you pasted looks normal. |
| 02:00.36 | dannythm | Gnea: if I install the ati drivers then xorg is not necessary |
| 02:00.47 | widrone | !tell intelikey about root |
| 02:00.52 | abrotman | [A]Flamethrower: maybe google might be able to pinpoint it for you .. i'm not going to tell you which page you need to read |
| 02:00.53 | Kerr | Gnea: done |
| 02:00.54 | Gnea | dannythm: yeah, that might work |
| 02:01.01 | Gnea | Kerr: try to ping the internet now |
| 02:01.34 | dannythm | Gnea: apt-get install xserver-xfree? |
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| 02:01.51 | Gnea | dannythm: xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:02.11 | tecywiz121 | so can anyone help with sound? Mine is still non-existant |
| 02:02.21 | dannythm | Gnea: oh crap oh crap oh crap.... |
| 02:02.28 | dvs | tecywiz121: what sound card? |
| 02:02.28 | Gnea | dannythm: ??? |
| 02:02.32 | debnewbie | Hello. I just installed debian /testing on a Dell. Everything seems to have come up great except the sound. alsamixer comes up okay with the correct sound card listed. |
| 02:03.19 | Gnea | debnewbie: did you make a regular user account? |
| 02:03.27 | dannythm | Gnea: i do apt-get install xfree86.... and it tells em it depends on xserver-common the it depends on x11-common.... ant when I try to install X11-common I get the python error.... |
| 02:03.41 | gravity | There's no python in x11-common |
| 02:03.41 | debnewbie | Gnea: during the install it asked for a username and password.. other than that? |
| 02:03.58 | Gnea | dannythm: ok - remove the python bit again - then edit /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out the line for the xorg stuff |
| 02:04.00 | Kerr | Gnea: trying to ping the net from the laptop still times out |
| 02:04.02 | abrotman | debnewbie: are you in the audio group ? |
| 02:04.04 | tecywiz121 | dvs, its the onboard sound on a DFI Landparty-UT Ultra-D, the module that knoppix loads is snd-intel8x0. I have already loaded that and it still doesn't work. |
| 02:04.05 | sanxiyn | dannythm: Uninstall python2.4-minimal. |
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| 02:04.23 | sanxiyn | (If that causes the problem.) |
| 02:04.28 | dvs | tecywiz121: you have to use alsamixergui to set the volume |
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| 02:04.46 | Gnea | Kerr: but you can ping the debian box? |
| 02:05.05 | dannythm | Gnea: I erase the xorg lines? |
| 02:05.19 | Gnea | dannythm: just comment them out: place a # in front of them |
| 02:05.26 | debnewbie | abrotman: yes, im in the audio group |
| 02:05.27 | kevinv | What is the best way to get Debian Sarge working in a loopback file system for both CD-ROM and on vfat/ntfs |
| 02:05.44 | Gnea | !best |
| 02:05.44 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 02:05.45 | Kerr | Gnea: yeah, but i could 'bout half an hour ago, too. |
| 02:05.55 | kevinv | I am trying to think of an idea in getting a friend to use Debian Sarge. |
| 02:06.11 | dannythm | Gnea: I got more, I comment all the ones that are not form debian? |
| 02:06.15 | dondelelcaro | kevinv: those methods are generally insane. I've used them, but it's not something that you want to do |
| 02:06.17 | abrotman | debnewbie: did you logout/in after adding yourself to the group ? |
| 02:06.19 | Gnea | Kerr: just making sure - paste iptables -nvL -t nat again please |
| 02:06.30 | debnewbie | abrot ill give that a try.. brb |
| 02:06.50 | sanxiyn | kevinv: Evangenlism kinda sucks, IMO. |
| 02:06.50 | kevinv | dondelelcaro, why not it's better then UMSDOS. |
| 02:06.54 | konfuzed | oh just before I start installing, |
| 02:06.59 | Gnea | dannythm: no, just the ones for xorg |
| 02:07.10 | konfuzed | is bios SMART monitoring a bad or idea or a good idea to have on |
| 02:07.22 | dannythm | Gnea: :ok |
| 02:07.24 | tecywiz121 | dvs, nope didn't work, it said that it could open the defauilt device it didn't exist |
| 02:07.59 | dannythm | Gnea: done |
| 02:07.59 | beardy | konfuzed: something that thinks it's smart oftenly isn't |
| 02:08.03 | kevinv | I am willing to modify any part of the INITRD |
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| 02:08.09 | Gnea | Kerr: what nameservers do you have on the laptop defined? |
| 02:08.21 | dondelelcaro | kevinv: why not just install Debian itself instead of doing cockamamie things with loopbacks to stick it on a filesystem? |
| 02:08.25 | konfuzed | true but its a maxtor drive and id rather know if it sttarts complaining |
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| 02:08.28 | Gnea | dannythm: apt-get update && apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
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| 02:08.50 | Gnea | maxtor makes the WORST hard drives on the planet. |
| 02:08.52 | konfuzed | will it cause any problems for debian to SMART hd monitoring turned on in the bios |
| 02:08.57 | dvs | tecywiz121: and the snd-intel8x0 module is loaded? |
| 02:08.57 | kevinv | but the Debian INITRD is full of debian junk, I just don't know where to put my code in. |
| 02:08.58 | Kerr | Gnea: the first few from resolv.conf; but i've been pinging ip's anyhow. |
| 02:09.05 | cire | I set /home/user to drwx------, and /home/user/public to drwxrwxrwx, but other users cannot "ls /home/user/public" (no permission). How can this be done? |
| 02:09.07 | dondelelcaro | konfuzed: no, it won't really matter. |
| 02:09.11 | tecywiz121 | dvs, how do i check? |
| 02:09.19 | dannythm | Gnea: nope... it tells me that it needs xserver-common |
| 02:09.21 | dvs | tecywiz121: lsmod | grep intel8x0 |
| 02:09.32 | konfuzed | well it just happens to be my luck day |
| 02:09.32 | gravity | dannythm: What are you trying to do? |
| 02:09.33 | kevinv | for ie. loading the loop module, and using losetup to setup /dev/loop0 as the root. |
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| 02:09.49 | Gnea | Kerr: so you can resolve the domains just fine, it's just not letting you hit anything with a browser? |
| 02:09.51 | rohan | hi all |
| 02:09.51 | dannythm | Gnea: I post in #flood the error |
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| 02:10.08 | tecywiz121 | dvs, Its loaded |
| 02:10.09 | beardy | cire: they can't get in /home/user/, and therefore not to any of it's subdirs. |
| 02:10.19 | dvs | tecywiz121: are you part of the audio group? |
| 02:10.23 | Kerr | Gnea: my laptop is completley unaware of the internet (can't ping, browse, etc) |
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| 02:10.31 | rohan | my permissions are fucked up badly. i need to chmod 777 /dev/null /dev/dsp just to login into kde as normal user ... what can be the problem ?? |
| 02:10.33 | Gnea | ok, install xserver-common |
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| 02:10.38 | cire | beardy: Thanks for your answer. Do you know a way to let them ls the public subdir? |
| 02:10.42 | tecywiz121 | dvs, yes |
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| 02:10.49 | konfuzed | cobled together a 20gig maxtor, athlon 600, ati rage pro pci, intel nic, and on board sound |
| 02:10.53 | dvs | tecywiz121: how did you check? |
| 02:10.55 | konfuzed | oh Asus with via |
| 02:10.58 | tecywiz121 | dvs, with id |
| 02:11.01 | konfuzed | that part worked out |
| 02:11.04 | konfuzed | and the amd |
| 02:11.05 | Gnea | Kerr: if you open a terminal window on the laptop, and type: ping google.com does it even resolve to an ip address? |
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| 02:11.14 | sanxiyn | cire: chmod 711 /home/user |
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| 02:11.19 | beardy | cire: everyone needs x to /home/user for it to work. |
| 02:11.20 | dvs | tecywiz121: if you just set it, did you log out and back in again? |
| 02:11.32 | cire | thanks, I'll try this- |
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| 02:11.46 | tecywiz121 | dvs, no i have had it since i installed debian |
| 02:11.57 | debnewbie | . |
| 02:11.59 | sanxiyn | cire: With 711, ls -l parent should be denied, but ls -l parent/sub allowed. |
| 02:12.01 | konfuzed | lucky part is I found a second 256MB sdram stick with matching 7.5 ns |
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| 02:12.05 | dannythm | Gnea: it works!!! now I'm installing xfree |
| 02:12.17 | dannythm | Gnea: or should I try xorg? |
| 02:12.24 | Gnea | Kerr: if dns isn't working, then you need to install a dns server on the debian box and point the laptop to use that ip as a dns server |
| 02:12.28 | beardy | dannythm: running sarge? |
| 02:12.40 | Gnea | dannythm: stick with xfree86 for now and get that to work :) |
| 02:12.48 | dannythm | Gnea: ok |
| 02:12.57 | dvs | tecywiz121: do you have a /dev/snd directory? |
| 02:13.05 | tecywiz121 | dvs, lemme check |
| 02:13.14 | dannythm | Gnea: done... |
| 02:13.19 | dannythm | Gnea: startx? |
| 02:13.22 | Moonscope | does anyone use bittornado from the CLI? if so, how do i limit upload and download speeds |
| 02:13.22 | rohan | i think udev is not working properly .. what do i do ? |
| 02:13.26 | Gnea | dannythm: try it out |
| 02:13.26 | becca | Hi... I just bought a LCD monitor, and I went to reconfigure x (I used dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86), went through it, and it did not work. I ended up renaming my old config file, and this reconfigure command isn't doing anything... is there a flag I need to add to my Xfree86Config-4 file to signify that my screen is an LCD? I have the proper refresh rates set up |
| 02:13.28 | tecywiz121 | dvs, Yes i do |
| 02:13.30 | rohan | my permissions are fucked up badly. i need to chmod 777 /dev/null /dev/dsp just to login into kde as normal user ... what can be the problem ?? |
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| 02:13.38 | Kerr | Gnea: says unknown host |
| 02:13.45 | abrotman | !tell becca about xmd5 |
| 02:13.45 | cire | sanxiyn and beardy: It works. Thanks for your help. |
| 02:13.46 | debnewbie | abrotman: okay, just logged out and logged back in |
| 02:13.49 | Gnea | becca: sarge? |
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| 02:13.51 | dannythm | Gnea: startx......... command not found |
| 02:14.00 | Gnea | Kerr: that's what i thought - apt-get install bind9 |
| 02:14.10 | dvs | tecywiz121: then everything in that directory should belong to the audio group |
| 02:14.11 | Kerr | ugh, this is crude. ssh'd to my pc from the laptop, then ssh'd from there to the shell with this irc on it. |
| 02:14.15 | abrotman | debnewbie: and ? |
| 02:14.24 | Kerr | at least it means running from screen to screen less. |
| 02:14.34 | Moonscope | does anyone use bittornado from the CLI? if so, how do i limit upload and download speeds |
| 02:14.48 | sparr | sucks to discover that linux 2.2.x supports my hardware but 2.4+ doesnt :( |
| 02:14.49 | tecywiz121 | dvs, how do i check? |
| 02:14.51 | becca | I'm using testing with a few unstable files (X is from sarge.) |
| 02:14.51 | Gnea | dannythm: apt-get install x-window-system-core x-window-system-dev |
| 02:14.56 | dvs | tecywiz121: ls -l /dev/snd |
| 02:15.08 | fbi | !pal becca |
| 02:15.15 | abrotman | !alicekill fbi |
| 02:15.17 | Gnea | becca: ah, testing explains it - it's the plague right now |
| 02:15.19 | sanxiyn | sparr: That sucks badly indeed. |
| 02:15.21 | debnewbie | abrotman: i figured it out.. the PCM channel was disabled for some reason :-) sorry for the stupidity hehe |
| 02:15.24 | fbi | !tell abrotman about deiban |
| 02:15.32 | abrotman | !tell fbi about abrotman |
| 02:15.37 | widrone | sparr: What hw is this? |
| 02:15.40 | tecywiz121 | dvs, yes they are but all there is controlC0 and timer |
| 02:15.41 | fbi | hah. |
| 02:15.43 | becca | gnea: I haven't put in a testing file for about.. eh... 3 months? My only testing application is gaim |
| 02:15.44 | abrotman | debnewbie: all good ? |
| 02:15.47 | dannythm | Gnea: it will take 12 mins |
| 02:16.08 | Gnea | dannythm: ok |
| 02:16.10 | dvs | tecywiz121: well, that's bad. I have some pcm entries and a timer. |
| 02:16.13 | becca | I only have gaim pinned for unstable. But I did do manual edits to my config file, which is probably the problem |
| 02:16.26 | dannythm | Gnea: (i have to argue to my ISP >< the owe me a better connection!!) |
| 02:16.28 | debnewbie | I have a Pinnacle TV Capture card in this machine.. is there a package that will operate that card? or is it only good in windows (for which the manufacturer supplied all the software) |
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| 02:16.35 | tecywiz121 | dvs, ok so is it possible to fix it? |
| 02:16.42 | Gnea | becca: you just said you're running etch, you either are or you aren't - either way, you've got a messed up system. |
| 02:16.45 | Kerr | Gnea: surely a dns server won't do anything, if i can't even ping an ip :-/ ? |
| 02:16.53 | abrotman | becca: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 02:17.14 | Gnea | Kerr: the problem is a bit deeper than you think. |
| 02:17.15 | dvs | tecywiz121: there should be a MAKEDEV file in the /dev directory. Run "MAKEDEV snd" as root. |
| 02:17.21 | sparr | widrone: parallel scanner |
| 02:17.39 | Kerr | ah |
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| 02:17.54 | konfuzed | wow crazy this motherboard bios has on AC97 sound with sound blaster emulation and FM Enable |
| 02:17.57 | G | as of apt 0.6 packages list has a weightloss? |
| 02:18.02 | Kerr | gotta apt-get update, some packages are playing hard to -get |
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| 02:18.10 | konfuzed | any chance that debian can use the FM Tuner ?? |
| 02:18.12 | G | or is that the use of bzip'ed packages lists |
| 02:18.19 | cire | I also have a problem with chmod. A certain file shall always be executed by the owner, not by the one who executes it. I tried chmod +s file, but I always get "permission denied" when another user tries to execute it.. |
| 02:18.20 | gravity | G: weight loss |
| 02:18.30 | tecywiz121 | dvs, nope, it doesn't know how to make the device snd |
| 02:18.32 | abrotman | konfuzed: apt-cache search fm |
| 02:18.36 | gravity | G: It uses basically the diff of the package list, althoug I don't know how exactly |
| 02:18.42 | konfuzed | hmm |
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| 02:18.48 | Gnea | Kerr: what's likely happening is that your admin is blocking certain TTL ranges, and masqueraded packets fall into that range, but if you can set your own dns, it shouldn't matter - else you may need to SNAT |
| 02:18.56 | konfuzed | kewl Ill have to cache that for later |
| 02:19.00 | dvs | tecywiz121: Then you'll have to look in the MAKEDEV file to see what will make the snd directory. |
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| 02:19.07 | rohan | SHIT!!!! even /dev/input/mice directory is not created !!! what the fuck is the problem with udev ? |
| 02:19.10 | rohan | goddamn |
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| 02:19.11 | sparr | given a debian packaged kernel and debian packaged module, built and installed with module-assistant, what might cause an unresolved symbol in the module? |
| 02:19.17 | G | they implemented that now?, cool |
| 02:19.19 | abrotman | !udev |
| 02:19.19 | dpkg | well, udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit, or <stew> anymous: its not a trojan, its udev |
| 02:19.36 | Gnea | rohan: /dev/input/mice isn't a directory |
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| 02:19.45 | rohan | Gnea: but that node ought to be there |
| 02:19.57 | staniel | hello |
| 02:20.01 | Gnea | rohan: only if the mouse is plugged in and detected. |
| 02:20.01 | abrotman | rohan: you're likely missing a module |
| 02:20.03 | magyar | is there a way to get info from the server to show the pppoe uptime stats? |
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| 02:20.04 | rohan | Gnea: i am having problems with permissions too .. like /dev/dsp and /dev/null |
| 02:20.05 | becca | Ok, the md5sum fixed it -- I had to edit to add my wacom tablet. |
| 02:20.17 | Gnea | rohan: what kind of problems? |
| 02:20.19 | rohan | Gnea: mouse is working in X , if i use /dev/psaux |
| 02:20.32 | tecywiz121 | dvs, nothing changed |
| 02:20.33 | rohan | gnea: my permissions are f**ked up badly. i need to chmod 777 /dev/null /dev/dsp just to login into kde as normal user ... what can be the problem ?? |
| 02:20.35 | becca | Gnea: And your opinions are yours to enjoy. The md5sum fixed the problem (As I have an old wacom tablet which doesn't magically install itself) |
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| 02:20.39 | becca | Thank you for your help. |
| 02:20.50 | Gnea | rohan: you're not in the audio group. |
| 02:20.52 | rohan | abrotman: i have other problems, too, which i think are udev related |
| 02:20.53 | dvs | tecywiz121: then I don't know but that's the source of your problem. |
| 02:20.54 | rohan | Gnea: i am. |
| 02:20.55 | staniel | tyring to install the latest kernel pacakge on sid, and it says that it can't find a suitable ramdisk genearion tool |
| 02:21.00 | G | rohan: not part of audio group? |
| 02:21.08 | rohan | G: sure am. |
| 02:21.19 | rohan | Gnea: and what about /dev/null ? :( |
| 02:21.20 | Gnea | rohan: then you shouldn't have a problem with audio. |
| 02:21.36 | tecywiz121 | dvs, thanks anyways |
| 02:21.36 | Gnea | rohan: dunno, it's 666 here, works fine |
| 02:21.43 | dvs | tecywiz121: sorry. |
| 02:21.52 | Gnea | rohan: /dev/dsp shouldn't be executable anyway |
| 02:22.04 | dannythm | Gnea: is hard to change the resolution of the command line? |
| 02:22.14 | rohan | Gnea: its cr--r---- here |
| 02:22.15 | hyperfnord | maximum respect to all the debian freaks outside thx for the code |
| 02:22.19 | Gnea | dannythm: i don't know how. |
| 02:22.21 | gunnix | Guerin: thx for the links to dmix before. F |
| 02:22.24 | Gnea | rohan: that's 440 |
| 02:22.30 | gunnix | Guerin: finally got it working |
| 02:22.34 | gravity | "debian freaks"? |
| 02:22.50 | dannythm | Gnea: oh, I'll search... after fixing the mess now xD |
| 02:22.55 | rohan | Gnea: yes. :( |
| 02:23.05 | abrotman | gravity: you know .. the ones that use ubuntu ? :) |
| 02:23.08 | dannythm | gravity: I think he means debian nerds |
| 02:23.11 | Gnea | rohan: i dunno what sets that |
| 02:23.26 | staniel | I check that I have /usr/sbin/mkinitrd and it exists |
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| 02:24.46 | abrotman | !beer gravity |
| 02:25.00 | gravity | heh |
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| 02:26.00 | dannythm | dpkg: is there any howto to change the resolution of the command line interface outside the X? |
| 02:26.01 | cb_gr | Where do i get the Debian Pubkey? |
| 02:26.26 | DebianUX | If only I had some coffee :-( |
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| 02:26.51 | rohan_ | back |
| 02:26.53 | rohan_ | ghosted ! |
| 02:27.03 | rohan_ | Gnea: u posted anything after "i dunno whats set that" ? |
| 02:27.30 | konfuzed | yikes have ya seen this http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/10/1318202 |
| 02:27.32 | Firestarter2 | is there a way to add default options that can be used whenever loading a module |
| 02:27.33 | konfuzed | too kewl |
| 02:27.47 | Gnea | rohan_: nope |
| 02:27.54 | dannythm | Gnea: ok done, i do startx and it starts to lad |
| 02:27.59 | rohan_ | ok |
| 02:28.00 | abrotman | Firestarter2: yes |
| 02:28.01 | dvs | Firestarter2: which kernel? |
| 02:28.07 | dannythm | Gnea: then.... I psot the error in #flood |
| 02:28.17 | Gnea | ok |
| 02:28.25 | Firestarter2 | 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 02:28.41 | dannythm | Gnea:ar!! |
| 02:28.45 | abrotman | !tell cb_gr about apt-key 4F368D5D |
| 02:28.45 | dvs | Firestarter2: put a file in /etc/modprobe.d |
| 02:28.55 | abrotman | !tell cb_gr about apt-secure |
| 02:29.02 | dannythm | Gnea: how can I copy paste from the X to here? |
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| 02:29.14 | rohan_ | whats the key for marillat repos ? apt secure one |
| 02:29.24 | cheal | !marillat key |
| 02:29.24 | dpkg | if you are using apt > 0.6 and it is complaining about a missing gpg key for marillat's repository, apt-get install debian-keyring && gpg --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg --armor --export 1F41B907 | apt-key add -, or ask me about <apt secure> |
| 02:29.29 | abrotman | !tell rohan_ about marillat key |
| 02:29.51 | Firestarter2 | dvs: what do I name the file and what should I add for an example |
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| 02:30.07 | rohan_ | cheal: thanks :) |
| 02:30.14 | Gnea | dannythm: do this: X >& X.log |
| 02:30.27 | Gnea | dannythm: then paste the error bits |
| 02:30.39 | Gnea | dannythm: you can read hte X.log file it makes |
| 02:30.41 | Gnea | the |
| 02:30.56 | abrotman | the |
| 02:31.00 | Gnea | teh |
| 02:31.01 | abrotman | bah .. stupid ispell! |
| 02:31.05 | Gnea | :) |
| 02:31.11 | rohan_ | whats this debian keyring package ? its toooooo huge |
| 02:31.30 | abrotman | then don't install any packages ever again |
| 02:31.42 | Gnea | fuck the packages! |
| 02:31.49 | dvs | Firestarter2: name the file anything (as long as it is not the name of a package) and have a line like "options <module-name> <options>" |
| 02:31.52 | Gnea | i mean |
| 02:32.08 | rohan_ | abrotman: thats a solution ? :P |
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| 02:32.24 | abrotman | sure it is ... but i'd just isntall it and deal with it |
| 02:32.25 | rohan_ | Gnea: yea .. u can just do gpg --recv-keys |
| 02:32.26 | Firestarter2 | dvs: thanks |
| 02:32.27 | gravity | rohan_: It's the public keys of all the debian developers |
| 02:32.36 | dvs | Firestarter2: no problem |
| 02:32.39 | rohan_ | gravity: oh, ok.. i will install it sometime |
| 02:32.40 | rohan_ | :D |
| 02:32.49 | dannythm | Gnea: look at #flood... |
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| 02:32.55 | abrotman | !u |
| 02:32.56 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 02:33.04 | ireverentreveren | is there a command to get the info about what RAM i have installed? I want to ask for a matching stick for x-mas... |
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| 02:33.26 | Gnea | dannythm: definately a radeon driver issue - can you install the fglrx driver now? |
| 02:33.37 | AlienX | is there a package for win32 codecs in testing or unstable? |
| 02:33.41 | rohan_ | now .. whats the key for etch security ? |
| 02:33.41 | dondelelcaro | !no marillat key is <reply> If you are using apt > 0.6, and it's complaining about msising marillat's key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. |
| 02:33.41 | dannythm | Gnea: I don't know... |
| 02:33.41 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 02:33.47 | beardy | ireverentreveren: No, don't think so. You have to check what the stick says, physically. |
| 02:33.47 | Gnea | ireverentreveren: shutdown -h now |
| 02:33.55 | dannythm | Gnea: I cannot acces to the X yet |
| 02:34.00 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: marillat key =~ s/msising/missing/ |
| 02:34.01 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: OK |
| 02:34.03 | ireverentreveren | beardy Gnea thanks |
| 02:34.08 | Gnea | ireverentreveren: then take the case apart and look at what's in there |
| 02:34.09 | bob2 | AlienX: no, and never will be |
| 02:34.15 | AlienX | bob2, thanks |
| 02:34.18 | bob2 | AlienX: /msg dpkg w32codecs |
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| 02:34.49 | Gnea | dannythm: apt-get install links-ssl |
| 02:34.56 | Firestarter2 | dvs: Is there a reboot needed for this change? |
| 02:35.01 | Gnea | dannythm: then use the links command - you can get the web in console |
| 02:35.13 | welson_ | AlienX, it's not open-source, it's in non-free, you can always copy your codec files from your win system to /usr/lib/win32/ |
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| 02:35.14 | dannythm | Gnea: and the console tab where I started X is stuck with the lines I'll post in #flood now |
| 02:35.16 | dvs | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:35.27 | Gnea | dannythm: ok |
| 02:35.31 | abrotman | welson_: or you could download the w32codecs package :) |
| 02:35.35 | AlienX | welson_, thanks, I actually haven't had a windows system since 1998 :) |
| 02:35.49 | dannythm | Gnea: posted |
| 02:36.01 | Gnea | dannythm: (WW) RADEON: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:1) found |
| 02:36.05 | dfrey | My debian installation is semi-hosed. I can't boot right now. I am getting the following error: "grep: error while loading shared libraries: libpcre.so.3: cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory" |
| 02:36.06 | Gnea | dannythm: that's the real problem. |
| 02:36.16 | welson_ | !w32codec |
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| 02:36.27 | dfrey | Has grep recently started depending on libpcre where it didn't before? |
| 02:36.28 | dvs | !ding |
| 02:36.29 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ding is a dictionary, http://www.freshmeat.net/projects/ding/ |
| 02:36.31 | beardy | dfrey: what have you done? |
| 02:36.46 | Gnea | dannythm: what is the output of this command? lspci -X | grep VGA | awk '{print $1}' |
| 02:36.50 | welson_ | AlienX, the w32codecs package -- if you don't know the repo, I think you can find on debian.org or apt-get.org |
| 02:36.51 | rohan_ | now how do i get apt-key to use a .asc file ? |
| 02:36.53 | ireverentreveren | should my swap partion appear when I type "mount"? |
| 02:36.57 | dfrey | beardy: nothing... |
| 02:36.59 | Firestarter2 | dvs: cool |
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| 02:37.19 | beardy | welson_: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 02:37.19 | AlienX | welson_, great. I'll check it out. Cheers! |
| 02:37.22 | dfrey | I think it's a problem of something trying to execute grep before /usr is mounted |
| 02:37.38 | welson_ | AlienX, y, it must be marillat's repo |
| 02:37.55 | abrotman | welson_: we already covered this ... /msg dpkg w32codecs |
| 02:37.56 | AlienX | welson_, yeah, that's what the dpkg help said. |
| 02:38.09 | Gnea | dfrey: grep is in /bin |
| 02:38.11 | welson_ | !w32codecs |
| 02:38.11 | dpkg | methinks w32codecs is a package, not in Debian (or non-free or contrib) due to legal issues, that provides numerous multimedia codecs normally found on win32 systems for popular but usually proprietary formats. ask me about <marillat> to get it anyway |
| 02:38.18 | welson_ | ah-- |
| 02:38.22 | abrotman | welson_: /msg dpkg w32codecs |
| 02:38.31 | welson_ | again? |
| 02:38.37 | abrotman | no .. just for you |
| 02:38.39 | welson_ | wow, I'm newbie to this |
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| 02:39.03 | dannythm | Gnea: can you repeat the line? I don't know how to read teh lines when they come out the screen in here |
| 02:39.05 | welson_ | abrotman, ok-->"/" |
| 02:39.05 | Gnea | dfrey: should only be linked to the following: linux-gate.so.1 => (0xffffe000) libc.so.6 => /lib/tls/libc.so.6 (0xb7df2000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb7f46000) |
| 02:39.20 | Gnea | dannythm: pageup and pagedown |
| 02:39.22 | rohan_ | does secure testing master have a apt-key compatible archive signning key ?! |
| 02:39.24 | beardy | dannythm: in irssi? |
| 02:39.41 | beardy | dannythm: PageUp/Down |
| 02:39.56 | dannythm | beardy: question answered, but thanks n_n |
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| 02:40.26 | konfuzed | hhmmm any body every mess with turning on all the shadow ram in the bios |
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| 02:41.28 | kevinv | "Forever with Debian, and never without Debian. I truly live the Debian |
| 02:41.29 | kevinv | way. Long live Debian, and the entire toy story collection." |
| 02:41.46 | dfrey | gnea: I am just looking at the changelog for the grep package. Here's a chunk from the changelog 2.5.1.ds2-3 "* Compiled with libpcre3 to enable perl regular expressions." that was released Nov. 7. Then on November 9th version 2.5.1.ds2-4 was released and the changelog says "* Again, configure without-libpcre" |
| 02:41.47 | Gnea | what the... |
| 02:42.10 | dannythm | Gnea: PCI:1:0:0 |
| 02:42.26 | dfrey | gnea: so I think I was right. I think the libpcre dependency was screwing things up because /usr wasn't mounted when grep was called |
| 02:42.57 | Gnea | dannythm: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 <-- do that, when it asks you the BusID, make SURE it says PCI:1:0:0 and *not* PCI:1:0:1 |
| 02:43.11 | dannythm | Gnea: ok |
| 02:44.01 | Gnea | dfrey: aaah, yup |
| 02:44.10 | welson_ | anyone trying out ooffice's database? finally something I can check out against msaccess-- finally.. I haven't tried it on debian yet, has anybody? |
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| 02:44.14 | Gnea | libpcre.so.3 => /usr/lib/libpcre.so.3 (0xb7ef3000) |
| 02:44.29 | Gnea | dfrey: that is indeed problematic. |
| 02:44.42 | dannythm | Gnea: when it asks the busID is put PCI:1:0:0 ? |
| 02:44.58 | ireverentreveren | should the "mount" command list swap if it is mounted? |
| 02:45.11 | bkhl | Steve Brust needs a Linux _guru_ to help revise his next novel: http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/006974.html |
| 02:45.21 | remyforbes777 | =' |
| 02:45.35 | Gnea | dfrey: grep grep /etc/init.d/* | awk -F: '{print $1}' | uniq | sort | wc -l |
| 02:45.47 | Gnea | dannythm: ok, that's good |
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| 02:46.30 | dfrey | gnea: I'm just going to boot back into debian single user mode and try installing the new grep package I just downloaded. I'll be back if it doesn't work :) |
| 02:46.53 | dannythm | Gnea: I finished the configure |
| 02:46.57 | Gnea | dfrey: let me know where the new package is when it works right, please :) |
| 02:47.00 | Gnea | aw shit |
| 02:47.01 | dannythm | Gnea: i try X again? |
| 02:47.16 | Gnea | dannythm: heh yeah |
| 02:47.26 | dannythm | Gnea: fatal error |
| 02:47.34 | dannythm | Gnea: post it in #flood |
| 02:47.39 | Gnea | ok |
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| 02:48.05 | Gnea | dannythm: hehe - alt-f7 and ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 02:48.19 | dannythm | Gnea: ok |
| 02:48.44 | Gnea | dannythm: that should have taken you into a running X server and killed it |
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| 02:49.37 | konfuzed | only windoz could crash on not being able to read a floppy diskette |
| 02:49.42 | dannythm | Gnea: I did ctl alt f7 then ctrl alt backspace and I see a grey background and the mouse, but no more |
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| 02:51.20 | Kerr | Gnea: bind9 installed (finally) |
| 02:51.39 | dannythm | Gnea: I cna move the mouse there |
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| 02:51.53 | bonz | dannythm: What window manager did you install? |
| 02:51.56 | konfuzed | great my 64 bit amd 1 gig ram on penguni steriosds doesnt even have a flopy drive to read the disk that crashed windows |
| 02:52.00 | konfuzed | irony |
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| 02:52.08 | dannythm | bonz: xfree |
| 02:52.16 | Gnea | dannythm: ok, then you killed it already - try to startx now |
| 02:53.02 | dannythm | Gnea: it stills tell me that server si active |
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| 02:53.37 | Gnea | dannythm: ps axf | grep X <-- what does that return? |
| 02:54.18 | dannythm | Gnea: post it in #flood |
| 02:54.21 | Gnea | k |
| 02:54.38 | dannythm | Gnea: done |
| 02:54.54 | Gnea | dannythm: as i figured - type this: killall -9 X |
| 02:55.40 | dannythm | Gnea:it tells me "X: no process killed" |
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| 02:55.53 | Gnea | dannythm: ps axf | grep X again |
| 02:56.15 | dannythm | E23894 ? S 0:00 \_ X |
| 02:56.16 | cheal | ireverentreveren: no |
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| 02:56.24 | bonz | dannythm: how did you run startx initially? |
| 02:56.27 | ireverentreveren | cheal? |
| 02:56.31 | Gnea | dannythm: kill -9 23894 |
| 02:56.43 | bonz | if you went too the place you typed it in a <ctrl> <c> will also kill it |
| 02:57.02 | cheal | ireverentreveren: at least not on my system |
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| 02:57.08 | CaT[tm] | if the hw clock is in localtime then glibc is not going to be able to cope with daylight savings at reboot time unless the hw clock is resaved when the hour is skipped/taken back, right? |
| 02:57.13 | Gnea | bonz: it wasn't startx |
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| 02:57.36 | dannythm | Gnea: everything killed |
| 02:57.40 | dannythm | Gnea: start x? |
| 02:57.45 | Gnea | dannythm: yeah |
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| 02:58.13 | bonz | Gnea: wouldn't matter, whatever started it would soon die with a <ctrl> <c> if it's in the foreground |
| 02:58.16 | ireverentreveren | cheal hmmm how do i find out if swap is mounted? |
| 02:58.36 | Kerr | Gnea: bind9 is installed.. are there any odd settings required to get it to work for me, or should i just look over the config? (3am after a long day's work, reading configs comes hard :-/ ) |
| 02:58.41 | cheal | ireverentreveren: $ free |
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| 02:58.59 | bonz | umm mount |
| 02:59.02 | ireverentreveren | ah, so it is mounted, just not used, thanks |
| 02:59.10 | Gnea | Kerr: ah, sorry - ps axf | grep named <-- shows it running? |
| 02:59.21 | bonz | tryy free |
| 02:59.26 | Gnea | bonz: actually it matters |
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| 03:00.11 | Gnea | bonz: but you're right |
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| 03:00.31 | dannythm | Gnea: error in a window... |
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| 03:00.42 | Gnea | dannythm: ? |
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| 03:01.50 | Kerr | Gnea: named is running, aye, but when it installed it coughed two errors about no acces/permission, and md5sums ~.~ someone else needed to use the pc, didn't get to look hard. |
| 03:01.57 | dannythm | Gnea: "Xsesion: unable to start X session --- no "/root/.xsession" file, no /root/Xsession" file, no session managers, no window managers, and no terminal emulators; aborting |
| 03:02.13 | Guerin | dannythm: NEVER start x as root. |
| 03:02.14 | Gnea | Kerr: ah ok - try /etc/init.d/bind9 restart |
| 03:02.23 | Gnea | dannythm: ah ok |
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| 03:02.27 | dannythm | Guerin: ok |
| 03:02.31 | Gnea | Guerin: back down, i'm getting to that. |
| 03:02.49 | bonz | I usually star x from inside a screen so if my console dies I can still control it/observe the error messages via an ssh |
| 03:02.52 | Tortel | !boo |
| 03:02.53 | Guerin | Gnea: back down? |
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| 03:03.05 | apacker | Can anyone tell me what verbosity level to set for xine to not spit out ANYTHING to the console? |
| 03:03.18 | ^Cricket^ | hi, anyone know the dpkg-reconfigure syntax (or another command) to rebuild window manager menus? |
| 03:03.24 | Guerin | apacker: 2>&1 >/dev/null |
| 03:03.25 | Gnea | dannythm: apt-get install fluxbox then try to startx as user |
| 03:03.30 | dannythm | Gnea: I start as user and it ives me the same errro, changin root with my username |
| 03:03.35 | dannythm | Gnea: ok |
| 03:03.48 | Moonscope | mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext3' |
| 03:03.59 | Moonscope | i am trying to mount /dev/hdc1 /home but it says "mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext3'" |
| 03:04.06 | apacker | Guerin, awesome, thanks! |
| 03:04.06 | Gnea | Moonscope: modprobe ext3 |
| 03:04.15 | Guerin | ^Cricket^: update-menus |
| 03:04.17 | widrone | Damn 233MB download for 'apt-get dist-upgrade' I guess this was my long lost overdue upgrade laptop. |
| 03:04.20 | bonz | apacker: can probably;Want too? Probably not :) |
| 03:04.29 | Guerin | ^Cricket^: no dpkg-reconfigure; install the package 'menu' |
| 03:04.39 | Gnea | widrone: you didn't apt-get upgrade first? |
| 03:04.42 | Moonscope | Gnea: cannot locate module ext3 |
| 03:04.46 | Guerin | Moonscope: ext2 |
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| 03:04.51 | Gnea | Moonscope: cat /proc/version ? |
| 03:04.53 | widrone | !tell widrone woody->sarge |
| 03:04.55 | Guerin | Moonscope: and upgrade your kernel |
| 03:04.59 | Guerin | widrone: about |
| 03:05.00 | dannythm | Gnea: I acces to something a little ugly... I think better isntall KDE... |
| 03:05.10 | widrone | !tell widrone about woody->sarge |
| 03:05.14 | Gnea | dannythm: it's not ugly! |
| 03:05.18 | Moonscope | Gnea: Linux version 2.2.20-idepci (herbert@gondolin) (gcc version 2.7.2.3) #1 Sat Apr 20 12:45:19 EST 2002 |
| 03:05.24 | Kerr | Gnea: restarted |
| 03:05.32 | Moonscope | i know i have to upgrade my kernal, but i'd rather not at this stage :D |
| 03:05.38 | dannythm | Gnea: well, is not as beautifull as kde lol |
| 03:05.40 | Gnea | Moonscope: yeeeeah, listen to Guerin and widrone |
| 03:05.48 | widrone | Guerin: Thanks, silly me. |
| 03:05.51 | Gnea | Moonscope: you need to. |
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| 03:06.09 | Gnea | Moonscope: no upgrade kernel == no ext3 for you |
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| 03:06.20 | Moonscope | do i really need ext3? |
| 03:06.30 | Gnea | what do you need 2.2 for? |
| 03:06.32 | abrotman | do you like your data ? |
| 03:06.41 | Gnea | fried or squashed? |
| 03:06.42 | Moonscope | no reason, just dont want to stuff around with it. |
| 03:06.58 | Moonscope | what is the latest kernal? |
| 03:07.03 | Gnea | Moonscope: 2.6.14 |
| 03:07.05 | widrone | Gnea: I should update upgrade dist-upgrade, not just update dist-upgrade? |
| 03:07.06 | dvs | Moonscope: 2.6.8 for sarge |
| 03:07.08 | dannythm | Gnea: what I do in.... in that...? |
| 03:07.23 | Gnea | widrone: yeah |
| 03:07.24 | Moonscope | i think i use woody though. would that matter... |
| 03:07.35 | widrone | !woody->sarge |
| 03:07.37 | dvs | oh lawd! |
| 03:07.44 | ^Cricket^ | thanks |
| 03:07.51 | Gnea | Moonscope: quite a bit so - woody isn't around anymore - in less than a year it will be completely unsupported |
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| 03:08.04 | Moonscope | oh, ok, i guess i should rebuild then hey... |
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| 03:08.27 | dvs | Moonscope: It isn't a production system is it? |
| 03:08.28 | Orfeous | got some problem with my MRB |
| 03:08.29 | Gnea | Moonscope: you can, or you can upgrade your existing install |
| 03:08.31 | widrone | Hm, thats not what I read from the factiod. Then again im ignoring the aptitude and using apt-get. |
| 03:08.32 | Orfeous | MBR* |
| 03:09.01 | fbi | !tell Orfeous about fixmbr |
| 03:09.42 | Kerr | Gnea: what do i do with named after it's restarted? |
| 03:09.48 | Firestarter2 | !tell Firestarter2 about fixmbr |
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| 03:10.06 | dannythm | Gnea: what I do in there? |
| 03:10.17 | Moonscope | dvs: nah just a pc @ home for hosting files and downloading, going to be turned into a media pc soon with mythtv |
| 03:10.23 | welson_ | Orfeous, testdisk (tool) --> ultimatebootcd.org |
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| 03:10.57 | cheal | I used etch d-i's beta1 and end up with a system that can't ping 127.0.0.1 (although lo is up). what could be the cause of this, and most importantly, how to workaround it? |
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| 03:11.24 | Gnea | Kerr: tell the laptop to use 192.168.1.1 as a dns server |
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| 03:12.05 | Gnea | dannythm: in where? fluxbox? |
| 03:12.18 | Orfeous | seems that my lilo configuration os not working. i got kernel panic.. unable to mount root fs..blabla... |
| 03:12.24 | dannythm | Gnea: yes |
| 03:12.39 | Orfeous | i have tried to use "linux root=/dev/hdd1/ but that is not working either |
| 03:12.42 | Orfeous | why?? |
| 03:12.43 | Gnea | dannythm: right-click anywhere, do you get a menu? |
| 03:12.49 | dannythm | Gnea: yes |
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| 03:13.02 | Gnea | Orfeous: /dev/hdd1 would work, /dev/hdd1/ would not |
| 03:13.13 | Gnea | dannythm: find the xterm |
| 03:13.16 | Kerr | :-/ |
| 03:13.29 | widrone | Hehe, this is almost confusing me. Its the only debian install I have localised install not english. I almost dont understand what the dialogs are saying to me. |
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| 03:14.23 | Orfeous | Gnea: i meant "/dev/hdd1" not that slash after.. |
| 03:14.26 | Orfeous | :) |
| 03:14.28 | Orfeous | little tired |
| 03:14.34 | Kerr | Gnea: i need to restart the laptop... because i added a dns server. |
| 03:14.35 | Kerr | ... |
| 03:14.40 | abrotman | Paulo1975: are you broken ? |
| 03:14.45 | dvs | widrone: Huh? That's one of the first options you're asked when installing. |
| 03:14.45 | Gnea | Kerr: stupid windows :) |
| 03:15.03 | Kerr | Gnea: i think i'm ashamed now. |
| 03:15.30 | Gnea | Kerr: all windows users are - you'll get over it and move on anyway, it's not the end of the world ;) |
| 03:15.43 | Orfeous | hmm.. gonna try again and boot at installation dvd. go to console.. mount my drive with reiserfs and then chroot it. |
| 03:15.51 | Orfeous | hopefully that will work |
| 03:15.57 | dannythm | Gnea: I don't seee any xterm... I see xkill |
| 03:15.58 | widrone | dvs: This install is years old, my trusty travel laptop. I did the woody install in my native language I remember now, but all my other debians are english. So its just really confusing in a HaHa sort of way. |
| 03:16.07 | Orfeous | then maybe i can get rid of lilo with "lilo -u" |
| 03:16.11 | widrone | dvs: No trouble, just brainrot. |
| 03:16.13 | dvs | widrone: Oh? ok |
| 03:16.21 | SlayerXP | !cheer getting rid of lilo |
| 03:16.25 | Gnea | !dbugs 338589 |
| 03:16.28 | dpkg | DONE:#338589:[grep] grep linking with /usr/lib/libpcre.so.3 renders system unbootable; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:48:02 UTC |
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| 03:16.44 | Gnea | !dbugs 338590 |
| 03:16.47 | dpkg | DONE:#338590:[grep] grep linked to libpcre renders system unbootable if /usr does not reside on the root partition; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:48:05 UTC |
| 03:16.55 | SlayerXP | any cyrus clues in? |
| 03:17.13 | cheal | Gnea: heh, are you going to line up the full series? |
| 03:17.30 | konfuzed | turns out suse is on this box |
| 03:17.31 | Gnea | cheal: rofl |
| 03:17.33 | Orfeous | rebooting now :P gonna try now. |
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| 03:17.46 | dannythm | Gnea: I don't see any xterm, I see xkill |
| 03:17.55 | konfuzed | better see if there is anything running or config files |
| 03:17.56 | cavalry | how can I get a list of users that have never logged in? |
| 03:18.00 | cheal | !pal sid users |
| 03:18.08 | ke6isf | Are IDE controllers known to go bad? |
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| 03:18.29 | ke6isf | cavalry: finger each user, look for "never logged in". |
| 03:18.32 | widrone | cavalry: Tried lastlog ? |
| 03:18.39 | tga | hey.. I'm having trouble getting Sun Ray Server Software configured on a Debian box.. does anyone have any experience with that? |
| 03:18.45 | widrone | se noai |
| 03:18.45 | widrone | ase ai |
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| 03:18.52 | ke6isf | cavalry: Or what widrone said. |
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| 03:19.20 | widrone | Wtf?! Sorry about that, stuff falling down here. |
| 03:19.29 | welson_ | cavalry, well you can check the latest datestamp from their home directories.. |
| 03:19.35 | cavalry | hmm I didnt know that |
| 03:19.39 | Gnea | cheal: i like this one the best.... |
| 03:19.40 | ireverentreveren | how do i list the processes running in order of most memory used to least? something like top sorted would work..... |
| 03:19.47 | Gnea | !dbugs 322416 |
| 03:19.49 | dpkg | DONE:#322416:I[grep] grep is 40 times slower on native amd64 than in a 32bit chroot; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:18:02 UTC |
| 03:19.52 | cavalry | how can I extract all the result to a file |
| 03:19.53 | Tortel | Goodnight |
| 03:19.53 | welson_ | cavalry, the find cmd has a time option I think.. |
| 03:19.56 | Gnea | 40 *TIMES* :) |
| 03:20.20 | dannythm | Gnea: I don't see ay xterm anywhere ><< |
| 03:20.24 | dannythm | Gnea: I don't see ay xterm anywhere >< |
| 03:20.26 | cheal | Gnea: hehe |
| 03:20.57 | Kerr | Gnea: ahh, resolves www.google.com to it's ip on a ping... but the request times out |
| 03:21.00 | ke6isf | Gnea: I wonder how they were able to come up with 40. Did they time it? |
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| 03:21.16 | Gnea | dannythm: apt-get install xterm |
| 03:21.31 | cookiecaper | Hi guys. Does anyone know how to compile an application as 32-bit from an AMD64 workstation? |
| 03:21.37 | Gnea | dannythm: you may need to restart X again to get it |
| 03:21.38 | SlayerXP | cyrus/mupdate clues? anyone at all? |
| 03:21.38 | resiak | !amd64 |
| 03:21.38 | dpkg | methinks amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 03:21.42 | dannythm | Gnea: then restart flubox? |
| 03:21.45 | widrone | "Manuelt oppsett av symlenker", thats it. Im reconfiguring my local language back to something I can understand. Im not going thru an upgrade like this. =0 |
| 03:21.48 | bob2 | cookiecaper: createa a 32-bit chroot |
| 03:21.51 | dannythm | Gnea: ok |
| 03:22.00 | Gnea | dannythm: maybe - maybe not - go to fluxbox see if it's in the menu yet |
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| 03:22.26 | cookiecaper | bob2: can I not do it without a chroot? |
| 03:22.28 | wang | what are some favorite xterm settings, any recommendations? i'm trying to rid my konsole habbits |
| 03:22.29 | cheal | well, fixed the lo issue with # ifconfig lo down; ifconfig lo up |
| 03:22.43 | dannythm | Gnea: ok, It appears now |
| 03:23.02 | bob2 | cookiecaper: how do you plan to install all the 32-bit library dependencies? |
| 03:23.09 | bob2 | wang: black background |
| 03:23.16 | bob2 | that's the only important xterm setting |
| 03:23.16 | Gnea | wang: http://www.dotfiles.com/ |
| 03:23.19 | bob2 | oh, and white foreground |
| 03:23.24 | wang | rofl |
| 03:23.27 | wang | i like doileys and shit |
| 03:23.31 | wang | sparkling stuff |
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| 03:23.34 | tga | did anyone try to configure the Sun Ray Server Software on Debian? |
| 03:23.52 | dannythm | Gnea: what I do with the xterm? |
| 03:23.53 | Gnea | wang: look for the Xresources |
| 03:24.13 | Gnea | dannythm: become root within it - use the su command |
| 03:24.25 | cookiecaper | bob2: I dunno, someone in #mplayer said I might be able to compile as a 32-bit application. I have ia32-libs installed |
| 03:24.27 | wang | jesus what the hell kind of page is this |
| 03:24.31 | bob2 | tga: it's not solaris-only? |
| 03:24.43 | tga | bob2, no, since version 3 they also offer a Linux package |
| 03:24.48 | bob2 | hah, neat |
| 03:24.53 | Gnea | wang: ignore all of the crap and look on the left-side at the choices and look at X |
| 03:24.55 | dannythm | Gnea: i'm root |
| 03:25.02 | Gnea | dannythm: apt-get install synaptic |
| 03:25.08 | bob2 | cookiecaper: it's not simple (and by that I mean "very complex and tedious") |
| 03:25.10 | tga | bob2, it's RedHat/SuSE centred though and it requires a few backflips to get working.. I'm somewhat stuck atm |
| 03:25.23 | dannythm | Gnea: from flubox? |
| 03:25.29 | Gnea | dannythm: yeah |
| 03:25.29 | cookiecaper | bob2: is there a howto somewhere? |
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| 03:25.36 | Gnea | dannythm: oh |
| 03:25.42 | welson_ | wang, y, xterm uses the old X intrinsics-- you can find it's global system settings under /etc/X11/app-defaults/XTerm |
| 03:25.54 | Gnea | dannythm: - do this too: apt-get install screen |
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| 03:26.11 | wang | ok thanks |
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| 03:26.37 | welson_ | wang, it's not clearly documented though, you'll have to find out what the classes are.. not all options are mentioned in these X-intrinsic resource files.. |
| 03:26.46 | bob2 | cookiecaper: https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id271998 |
| 03:26.51 | tengulre | wang: are u chinese? |
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| 03:26.52 | bob2 | cookiecaper: actually, it's less painful than I thought |
| 03:27.01 | Gnea | dannythm: welson_ that's what http://www.dotfiles.com is for |
| 03:27.04 | Gnea | oops |
| 03:27.09 | widrone | Im trying to reconfigure my debians native language support, what would be the package to dpkg-reconfigure to get it all set back to english. I tried base-install, but its a nogo. |
| 03:27.09 | Gnea | welson_: that's what http://www.dotfiles.com is for |
| 03:27.11 | abrotman | Paulo1975: are you broken ? |
| 03:27.20 | Guerin | widrone: locales |
| 03:27.22 | Gnea | i can't type very well anymore :) |
| 03:27.35 | sparr | can anyone suggest a good vector drawing app that can do grid snap? |
| 03:27.37 | cookiecaper | oh yeah, that's with a 32-bit chroot. I've done that a few times and it hasn't worked so well. Can I do it without doing that? |
| 03:27.39 | abrotman | SlayerXP: tell #cyrus |
| 03:27.49 | SlayerXP | sparr: visio |
| 03:27.52 | dannythm | Gnea: ok, done |
| 03:27.53 | bob2 | cookiecaper: then you're back at 14:23:01 bob2 | cookiecaper: how do you plan to install all the 32-bit library dependencies? |
| 03:27.59 | SlayerXP | abrotman: there's no-one awake |
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| 03:28.10 | sparr | SlayerXP: something applicable to this channel... |
| 03:28.13 | abrotman | SlayerXP: leave a message :) |
| 03:28.18 | bonz | Gnea: I never could type very well |
| 03:28.23 | abrotman | sparr: dia |
| 03:28.35 | Guerin | SlayerXP: i can fill in for them: "Patches welcome." |
| 03:28.44 | SlayerXP | sparr: there's "dia". accurately pronounced "dire" |
| 03:28.45 | Gnea | dannythm: ok, here we go: type /quit here in irc, then type screen (it will show you a welcome screen) then come back into irc |
| 03:28.46 | cookiecaper | bob2: yeah, I don't know how I plan to do that. I have ia32-libs installed but that's all. Is that not sufficient? |
| 03:28.57 | Gnea | bonz: :) |
| 03:28.58 | abrotman | SlayerXP: who pronounces it dire ? |
| 03:29.07 | dannythm | Gnea: |
| 03:29.10 | dannythm | Gnea: ok |
| 03:29.12 | SlayerXP | abrotman: anyone who's tried to use it to do anything serious |
| 03:29.16 | bob2 | cookiecaper: it is to for things like libc and xlibs, but I doubt it includes things like ffmpeg and such |
| 03:29.24 | jordan | can someone help me choose a software raid to use? |
| 03:29.26 | bob2 | cookiecaper: tho, the mplayer tarball includes lots of crap, it may work |
| 03:29.28 | abrotman | SlayerXP: i'm not even sure how that's remotely related to a joke |
| 03:29.33 | bob2 | if there's a ia32-libs-dev |
| 03:29.37 | widrone | Guerin: Thanks, now maybe I can understand the upgrade text. Im so english only when it comes to computers. |
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| 03:29.45 | bob2 | jordan: you need to provide a lot more info about your goal |
| 03:29.50 | JavaCR | Hello |
| 03:29.50 | bob2 | !+info ia32-libs-dv |
| 03:29.51 | bob2 | !+info ia32-libs-dev |
| 03:29.52 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 03:29.58 | jordan | I dont need data redundancy or performance, I just want to be able to combine unequal size disks into 1 partition |
| 03:30.01 | cavalry | guys, I have never used debian in server environment, currently I am using Solaris 10 , and FreeBSD for my servers, I have had people telling me if you go for linux, try debian.. I am sure you guys will say the same.. I wanna know how trusted and reliable debian is for critical systems like emails |
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| 03:30.17 | jordan | the main requirements are ease of adding extra disks and removing disks without losing data |
| 03:30.24 | SlayerXP | jordan: raid0 is your only option |
| 03:30.25 | bob2 | jordan: all you want is lvm then |
| 03:30.29 | abrotman | cavalry: we like it :) |
| 03:30.34 | bob2 | jordan: but bear in mind losing one disk will lose all the data |
| 03:30.36 | SlayerXP | oh yes, lvm too |
| 03:30.49 | jordan | how does lvm work? |
| 03:30.53 | abrotman | SlayerXP: unionfs ? |
| 03:31.08 | jordan | cause I want to be add disks as I need them |
| 03:31.09 | SlayerXP | abrotman: I don't even know what that is |
| 03:31.18 | cookiecaper | Do I write -m32 after make to try and have it compile as 32-bit? |
| 03:31.22 | abrotman | SlayerXP: oh .. but RAID0 isn't an option |
| 03:31.36 | bob2 | jordan: lvm lets you add hard drives to a block device, basically, so you get one big psuedo-disk made up out of them all |
| 03:31.39 | jordan | what about Just A Bunch Of Disks? |
| 03:31.43 | jordan | I saw something about that on the howto |
| 03:31.57 | bob2 | cookiecaper: and -L/usr/lib/ia32-lib/s or whatever |
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| 03:32.13 | SlayerXP | I know people who advocate booting from LVM |
| 03:32.16 | SlayerXP | *shudder* |
| 03:32.18 | jordan | will LVM let me fill up the first disk before the others until it is full? |
| 03:32.27 | bob2 | jordan: probably not |
| 03:32.28 | cheal | cavalry: critical systems is really vague. emails is pretty vague too |
| 03:32.38 | bob2 | "please make my booting even more brittle" |
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| 03:32.47 | bob2 | cavalry: lots of people use it for critical tasks |
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| 03:32.59 | jordan | so how easy is it to remove a disk or add a disk from the LVM? are both well supported |
| 03:33.18 | bob2 | jordan: how would you remove a disk? |
| 03:33.24 | bob2 | it has your data on it |
| 03:33.27 | bob2 | adding one is simple |
| 03:33.29 | Moonscope | is there a way i can mount both /home and /root onto hdc1 ? |
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| 03:33.32 | Gnea | dannythm: you made it! |
| 03:33.32 | rohan | hi all... |
| 03:33.34 | jordan | in case I need it for something else |
| 03:33.34 | SlayerXP | cyrus/mupdate clues? anyone at all? pretty please? |
| 03:33.38 | bob2 | Moonscope: that makes no sense |
| 03:33.39 | fbi | dannythm: don't irc as root. |
| 03:33.41 | rohan | no k3b, amarok, xine-ui in testing ?! |
| 03:33.42 | jordan | I just want to have flexability for the future |
| 03:33.49 | jordan | or if a disk fails or something |
| 03:33.57 | abrotman | how is RAID0 an option then? |
| 03:34.00 | Supaplex | and don't irc as administrator. ha |
| 03:34.01 | Gnea | fbi: rofl |
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| 03:34.06 | Moonscope | i want my /home and /root areas to be on the same partition, is that possible? |
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| 03:34.08 | bob2 | jordan: it's probably possibl to remove the last disk in the set, if there's enough room to shuffle the data elsewhere |
| 03:34.12 | bob2 | Moonscope: yes... |
| 03:34.14 | SlayerXP | bob2: can be done with -bind , no? |
| 03:34.18 | fbi | Gnea: heh. you know he sat there wondering "Why can't I type in here?" |
| 03:34.24 | Supaplex | Moonscope: man ln :) |
| 03:34.33 | Gnea | fbi: yup :) |
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| 03:34.56 | Moonscope | i have done mount -t ext2 /dev/hdc1 /home and that worked, so i tried mount -t ext2 /dev/hdc1 /root and it didnt like it, cause the partition was already mounted. |
| 03:34.58 | jordan | bob2: will each file be store on only one disk, or split across disks? |
| 03:35.08 | Gnea | dannythm: how now brown cow? #) |
| 03:35.14 | dannythm | Gnea: I'm in irssi... screen tells me something strange |
| 03:35.19 | Moonscope | Supaplex: Symbolic links hey :D |
| 03:35.21 | SlayerXP | Moonscope: well, yes, that's correct. |
| 03:35.22 | bob2 | jordan: it won't care |
| 03:35.27 | Gnea | dannythm: yeah, that's normal - what did it tell you?> |
| 03:35.28 | bob2 | Moonscope: why would you do that? |
| 03:35.38 | Moonscope | bob2: cause im a noob |
| 03:35.45 | bob2 | Moonscope: 'mount --bind /home /root' would work, as SlayerXP suggested |
| 03:35.48 | zorten | anyone know if Maya PLE 7.0 will run under etch's wine? I launch the installer and all I get as far as errors is ERROR:5 |
| 03:35.52 | dannythm | now I put screen as root ina console |
| 03:35.54 | bob2 | Moonscope: then it's way way way way better for you tell us your goal |
| 03:35.55 | dannythm | and nothing happens |
| 03:35.57 | resiak | zorten: So the answer is "no"? |
| 03:36.02 | bob2 | Moonscope: and then we can suggest solutions |
| 03:36.12 | bob2 | zorten: appdb.codeweavers.com |
| 03:36.13 | Supaplex | there's a reason /root is usually on the same partition as / |
| 03:36.27 | Moonscope | bob2: ok, i want /root and /home to share the same partition..... |
| 03:36.33 | dannythm | Gnea: now I put screen as su in console and nothing happens |
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| 03:36.39 | bob2 | Moonscope: *why*? |
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| 03:36.50 | bob2 | Moonscope: /root should be empty and unused |
| 03:37.01 | Moonscope | ok, i might disgard it then, |
| 03:37.10 | Moonscope | have already mounted /home to hdc1 should be fine. |
| 03:37.13 | bob2 | Moonscope: yes |
| 03:37.16 | dannythm | Gnea: but if I reestarx and put screen it tells me that is GNU software and that all and that I must press spacebar or return to quit |
| 03:37.21 | dannythm | Gnea: nothing else |
| 03:37.47 | wang | this looks ugly |
| 03:37.55 | WhiteRabbit | but most distros don't have a definitive partition setup for new comers to minimize /root |
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| 03:37.58 | jordan | is there a performance decrease for LVM against no-lvm? Im wondering if I should also use it for my non-storage drives that are their own parition |
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| 03:38.16 | bob2 | jordan: yes, there's of course an extra layer of indirection |
| 03:38.21 | bob2 | I doubt you can measure it, tho |
| 03:38.22 | r3gii | hi |
| 03:38.41 | dannythm | Gnea: this is one step closer to get to KDE again isn't it? |
| 03:38.47 | SlayerXP | yuck. I have some utterly vile weather happening outside. |
| 03:38.47 | jordan | thanks so much bob2 |
| 03:38.51 | jordan | then hardware rise |
| 03:38.54 | SlayerXP | best place for it though, I suppose. |
| 03:38.55 | Gnea | dannythm: yeah - sorry, had to afk |
| 03:39.05 | bob2 | jordan: non-storage drives? |
| 03:39.14 | jordan | like root |
| 03:39.18 | bob2 | SlayerXP: yay for wherever it was you moved |
| 03:39.18 | jordan | system drives |
| 03:39.20 | dannythm | Gnea: np... what should I do now? |
| 03:39.22 | r3gii | i already instal iptables; is any kde tool to menage it? |
| 03:39.29 | bob2 | jordan: why would you bother? |
| 03:39.41 | jordan | doesnt LVM let you resize drives easily |
| 03:39.42 | Gnea | dannythm: ok, you're in screen now, so you can now go back to X - then start up another xterm, in that xterm type: screen -A -D -RR |
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| 03:39.51 | jordan | thats the only reason, to more effective use my space |
| 03:40.01 | sparr | abrotman: dia doesnt seem to be able to do snap |
| 03:40.04 | sparr | SlayerXP: see above |
| 03:40.05 | abrotman | you could just make one big fat partition |
| 03:40.19 | abrotman | sparr: erm .. i believe it's a key combo |
| 03:40.30 | WhiteRabbit | jordan, lvm is nice but it still has the smell of new on it |
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| 03:40.35 | dannythm | Gnea: nothing happens |
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| 03:40.42 | Seb | WhiteRabbit: nah, cmon... |
| 03:40.56 | rohan | does the security testing master repo have support for apt-key ? |
| 03:40.58 | jordan | do you know if there would be a noticable difference in power cost between using say 4 250gb and 2 400-500gb? |
| 03:40.58 | sparr | abrotman: i tried every one i could think of |
| 03:41.01 | Gnea | dannythm: how many screens did you open? |
| 03:41.09 | jordan | or 8 250 and 4 500 |
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| 03:41.12 | abrotman | sparr: did you try the optin "Snap to Grid" :) |
| 03:41.13 | dannythm | oh |
| 03:41.16 | r3gii | is any graphic tool to menage iptables? |
| 03:41.16 | dannythm | now |
| 03:41.20 | jordan | if it is on 24/7 |
| 03:41.30 | bob2 | r3gii: #debian-kde |
| 03:41.33 | abrotman | sparr: right click on the grid .. View .. Snap to Grid |
| 03:41.38 | WhiteRabbit | Seb, what does benchmarks say about a machine running lvm & one who is not? which one is faster & why? |
| 03:41.49 | dannythm | Gnea: it tells me that there are several suitable screens on |
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| 03:42.03 | Gnea | dannythm: ah ok - that's a problem then |
| 03:42.07 | abrotman | sparr: better ? |
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| 03:42.17 | Gnea | dannythm: you were only supposed to open one :) to try the first one |
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| 03:42.30 | Seb | WhiteRabbit: did I mention benchmarks or performance somewhere ? |
| 03:42.37 | WhiteRabbit | Seb, yes |
| 03:42.47 | WhiteRabbit | Seb, openlogger says yes you did |
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| 03:42.59 | Seb | WhiteRabbit: paste away |
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| 03:43.06 | staniel | could someone help me with my installation of Debian... it seems I can't get my touchpad on my laptop going... its a synaptics touchpad... did what dpkg said to do with synaptics stuff but it still doesn't work |
| 03:43.19 | jair | guys, it is available already the openoffice 2.0 for stable debian? |
| 03:43.27 | WhiteRabbit | Seb, sure thing.. |
| 03:43.29 | sparr | abrotman: much. didnt think to right click on the image |
| 03:43.40 | Guerin | jair: no. |
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| 03:43.42 | JavaCR | hello some one know one program with alot users to transfer files? |
| 03:43.44 | JavaCR | p2p |
| 03:43.50 | bob2 | jair: #debian-oo may know |
| 03:43.50 | abrotman | sparr: that's why i'm here .. to think for you :) |
| 03:43.51 | jair | Guerin, ohh ok |
| 03:43.53 | Guerin | JavaCR: bittorrent |
| 03:43.56 | dannythm | Gnea: I closed the wrong console window n_nUu |
| 03:44.01 | Gnea | dannythm: lol |
| 03:44.05 | Gnea | dannythm: did you find it yet? |
| 03:44.11 | JavaCR | not bittorrent, not kazza |
| 03:44.20 | abrotman | gift ? |
| 03:44.21 | JavaCR | another one good? |
| 03:44.21 | jair | is because I though that I have to do a apt-get install --reinstall oo in order to get the 2.0 |
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| 03:44.45 | bob2 | jair: that would not be related in anyway |
| 03:45.18 | dannythm | Gnea: I closed all the console screens, then opened a new one, "screen -A -D -RR" it tols me "new screen" and now it looks like another root screen |
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| 03:45.25 | welson_ | I'm having a problem connecting to mysql within the lan, I think it has something to do with something! damm..can't figure it out.. |
| 03:45.38 | jair | bob2, one time I did that in the mozilla-firefox and is change the version it install the newer in top of the one I had |
| 03:45.39 | Seb | WhiteRabbit: so ? |
| 03:45.41 | bob2 | welson_: did you read /usr/share/doc/mysql-server/README.Debian.gz? |
| 03:45.45 | bob2 | jair: no |
| 03:45.54 | SlayerXP | "I think it has something to do with something!" |
| 03:45.57 | Seb | heh |
| 03:45.58 | jordan | thanks alot for the help guys |
| 03:45.58 | SlayerXP | well, that defines the problem |
| 03:46.00 | sparr | abrotman: like most users, i expect clickable ui elements to be labelled in some way |
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| 03:46.05 | WhiteRabbit | Seb, ? |
| 03:46.05 | G | hmmm, i need to reinstall my XP part of my dual boot, which will obviously overrite grub, whats the best process to backup grub to floppy and reinstate grub in the MBR |
| 03:46.12 | jair | bob2, but it is ok I know, that I have to apt-get update and then dist-upgrade right? |
| 03:46.15 | abrotman | sparr: yeah .. it seems gimp-ish in its interface |
| 03:46.23 | bob2 | G: just use a boot disk and run 'grub-install' from your regular system |
| 03:46.27 | bob2 | G: er, boot cd |
| 03:46.28 | sparr | old gimpish :) |
| 03:46.31 | Gnea | dannythm: ok - make sure you're using the screen command as danny, not root |
| 03:46.42 | Seb | WhiteRabbit: where and when did I mention LVM performance or benchmarks ? |
| 03:46.45 | JavaCR | How is good in JAVA here? |
| 03:46.45 | sparr | now i have to figure out why it is drawing grid lines every 33/32nds instead of every 1 |
| 03:46.46 | bob2 | jair: yes, but it seems unlikely that your apt knows about 002 |
| 03:46.48 | dannythm | oh |
| 03:46.49 | dannythm | ok |
| 03:46.50 | Gnea | !java |
| 03:46.50 | dpkg | methinks java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 03:46.53 | abrotman | !tell JavaCR about java |
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| 03:47.03 | SlayerXP | JavaCR: if you have a question, ask it. |
| 03:47.06 | Gnea | abrotman: spork! |
| 03:47.14 | shai | hi, how can i 'flip' a text file? (i.e., i want the last line first, ... etc) |
| 03:47.16 | abrotman | Gnea: just keep away from my ass |
| 03:47.19 | WhiteRabbit | Seb, whats your point? |
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| 03:47.22 | JavaCR | I'm actually using a Jboss 4 |
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| 03:47.24 | dannythm | Gnea: this is strange |
| 03:47.25 | Gnea | abrotman: no problemo |
| 03:47.35 | dannythm | Gnea: what should I see? |
| 03:47.42 | JavaCR | for made Bean i unsing maven |
| 03:47.42 | abrotman | JavaCR: are you running debian ? |
| 03:47.49 | JavaCR | *using |
| 03:47.50 | Seb | WhiteRabbit: "19:43:21 WhiteRabbit | Seb, openlogger says yes you did". I never mentioned that, so what are you talking about ? |
| 03:47.54 | Gnea | JavaCR: get 1.4.2_09 it'll work |
| 03:48.10 | abrotman | JavaCR: are you running debian ? |
| 03:48.11 | WhiteRabbit | Seb, so what are you asking? |
| 03:48.15 | JavaCR | yes |
| 03:48.16 | resiak | shai: man rev |
| 03:48.20 | jair | bob2, right it is not ready yet :) |
| 03:48.24 | JavaCR | but, Is another way to make Beans |
| 03:48.25 | abrotman | JavaCR: which version ? |
| 03:48.29 | welson_ | bob2, it's been a while since I setup a server, wow 2 seconds, I changed that dam bind-address :) |
| 03:48.37 | Seb | WhiteRabbit: k, piss off |
| 03:48.38 | dannythm | Gnea: what's next? |
| 03:48.45 | JavaCR | jboss 4, java 1.4.2_09 |
| 03:48.45 | Gnea | !tell JavaCR about install java |
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| 03:48.51 | repp_ | shai: tac |
| 03:48.54 | abrotman | JavaCR: which version of debian ? |
| 03:48.59 | JavaCR | Java is installed |
| 03:49.07 | JavaCR | Debian Sarget |
| 03:49.08 | Gnea | JavaCR: using that method? |
| 03:49.16 | abrotman | JavaCR: did you try to ask #java ? |
| 03:49.17 | jair | bob2, are you familiar with the script that makes the mount and umount icon on the desktop of the debian system? it is like hotplug and unplog |
| 03:49.17 | shai | rasiak, tanks |
| 03:49.18 | WhiteRabbit | Seb, goes were it will land.. |
| 03:49.24 | Gnea | dannythm: ok, are you still ircing from within screen? |
| 03:49.43 | dannythm | yes |
| 03:49.47 | dannythm | Gnea: yes |
| 03:49.51 | jair | when you insert the usb device it automatic mount it and make an icon available in the dektop. |
| 03:49.51 | Gnea | ok |
| 03:49.53 | JavaCR | the Question is, someone know another way to make beans that not was by maven? |
| 03:49.55 | Gnea | !screen |
| 03:49.55 | dpkg | methinks screen is like, allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and let's you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or apt-get install screen |
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| 03:50.05 | Gnea | JavaCR: nope |
| 03:50.15 | abrotman | JavaCR: ASK #java |
| 03:50.25 | coq | (##java) |
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| 03:50.30 | Gnea | dannythm: did you get rid of all of the other screen sessions? |
| 03:50.32 | JavaCR | some one know was is a BEAN, and deploy it |
| 03:50.36 | dannythm | Gnea: yes |
| 03:50.44 | Gnea | dannythm: are you in console or in X? |
| 03:50.45 | abrotman | JavaCR: GO TO #java |
| 03:50.55 | Gnea | JavaCR: best to ask #java |
| 03:50.56 | dannythm | Gnea: I only got this and the one wher I typed screen -A -D -RR |
| 03:50.57 | bob2 | jair: debian is not specific enough; each desktop type does it differently |
| 03:51.03 | dannythm | Gnea: in X |
| 03:51.15 | jair | bob2, let's be specific and talk about kde. |
| 03:51.20 | Gnea | dannythm: ok, did you start the irc session in X? |
| 03:51.21 | ryushe | question about a package in testing. I've been asked to set up a streaming radiostation kind of thing, with icecast, but I see two versions; icecast-server and icecast2, the packages.debian.org site isn't really helping with explaining which one is the newer one |
| 03:51.25 | JavaCR | #java |
| 03:51.25 | welson_ | sweet I waited a year for this, something I can finally use-- mysql+openoffice_dbase over msaccess :) |
| 03:51.32 | jair | bob2, because I know that the gnome version two does that |
| 03:51.42 | dannythm | Gnea: yes |
| 03:51.44 | JavaCR | how I can go to #java? |
| 03:51.48 | bob2 | jair: never used modern kde, #debian-kde |
| 03:51.53 | abrotman | JavaCR: /join #java |
| 03:51.55 | JavaCR | I am new using mIRC |
| 03:52.07 | Gnea | dannythm: ok, now go back to the console and type: screen -A -D -RR as danny |
| 03:52.09 | welson_ | haha |
| 03:52.09 | gravity | ... |
| 03:52.15 | JavaCR | You need to be identified to join that channel |
| 03:52.18 | welson_ | mIRC open source *lol |
| 03:52.23 | abrotman | JavaCR: /join ##java |
| 03:52.25 | jair | bob2, thank you |
| 03:52.34 | Gnea | JavaCR: /msg nickserv help |
| 03:52.45 | dannythm | Gnea: I did that |
| 03:52.52 | Gnea | dannythm: and? |
| 03:52.57 | bob2 | ryushe: icecast appears to be dead upstream, icecast2 is still developed |
| 03:52.58 | dannythm | Gnea: ohh |
| 03:52.59 | SlayerXP | brrrr |
| 03:53.00 | JavaCR | same thing |
| 03:53.01 | Gnea | dannythm: now you can type here again? |
| 03:53.03 | Gnea | :) |
| 03:53.03 | dannythm | Gnea: outside X |
| 03:53.05 | JavaCR | You need to be identified to join that channel |
| 03:53.11 | SlayerXP | JavaCR: and? |
| 03:53.13 | abrotman | coq: ##java requires nickserv id too ? |
| 03:53.14 | Gnea | dannythm: hehe, now go back to X and type the same command again |
| 03:53.16 | JavaCR | join #java |
| 03:53.21 | ryushe | bob2 > so best bet would be to either compile from source or go with icecast2 then? |
| 03:53.24 | sandman | How to reconfigure exim? I ran dpkg-reconfigure exim4, but it didn't work |
| 03:53.27 | SlayerXP | JavaCR: ask in #cisco then |
| 03:53.28 | coq | abrotman: i dunno, i just know it's ##java |
| 03:53.35 | Gnea | dannythm: make sure with the -A -D -RR |
| 03:53.39 | bob2 | ryushe: ? |
| 03:53.46 | bob2 | ryushe: why would you compile it? |
| 03:53.53 | bob2 | sandman: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config? |
| 03:54.06 | dregan_ | postfix install not working - I can send and receive mail from the local postfix server, I can send email from anywhere to the postfix server, but cannot receive mail the local error message says "unable to get conicial name for client 192.168.1.4" when on the local lan, this messaged does not appear when trying to get mail from web. I do get an error message when receiving email "TLS... |
| 03:54.07 | dregan_ | ...engin cannot load CA data" the main.cf file refers to CAfile = /etc/postfix/ssl/cacert.pem - this is there but it was not generated with the CA file - I don't have one - is this to much to read? |
| 03:54.11 | JavaCR | thanks |
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| 03:54.15 | ryushe | bob2 > well, if one is in development, and the other version is dead in the water ... ;) |
| 03:54.30 | dannythm | wha? |
| 03:54.34 | ryushe | then I'd rather go with a stable version of it |
| 03:54.42 | Gnea | dannythm: see, now you're in irc in X again right? |
| 03:54.44 | dannythm | Gnea: ok, what now? |
| 03:54.51 | dannythm | Gnea: yes |
| 03:54.51 | bob2 | dregan_: postfix has lots of docs on www.postfix.org |
| 03:54.56 | Seb | ryushe: "being developed" != "not stable" |
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| 03:55.01 | dannythm | Gnea: the other window disapeared! |
| 03:55.02 | bob2 | dregan_: but I'd strongly recommend undoing whatever you did, as a start |
| 03:55.09 | Gnea | dannythm: that's what screen can do - if X crashes, then your irc session becomes "safe" and you can recapture it later |
| 03:55.29 | dannythm | Gnea: oh... cool |
| 03:55.31 | nekostar | so |
| 03:55.34 | Gnea | dannythm: of course, if the system reboots, then you have to start it over again |
| 03:55.40 | nekostar | when i install things like mplayer it wont work right |
| 03:55.48 | Seb | !doesn't work |
| 03:55.48 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 03:55.50 | Gnea | dannythm: you can create new shells within screen too - but save that for later |
| 03:55.52 | ryushe | Seb > that could well be true yes, but I don't want it breaking with a next update, seems a lot of people are going to use this service, or so the client thinks ;) |
| 03:55.52 | nekostar | for instance its never been able to fullscreen |
| 03:55.55 | bob2 | "wont work right" is useless |
| 03:56.00 | dregan_ | bob2: thanks & ok, is it apt-get remove postfix or back track over my install |
| 03:56.04 | Gnea | dannythm: do you still have that root shell in an xterm open? |
| 03:56.05 | bob2 | nekostar: mplayer -vo xv -fs foo |
| 03:56.08 | nekostar | or rather i can fullscreen but the video is still the same size |
| 03:56.11 | SlayerXP | what's PST in relation to GMT? -5? |
| 03:56.13 | dannythm | Gnea: good to know...(i'm learing too much tonight n_n) |
| 03:56.15 | bob2 | dregan_: apt-get --purge remove postfix |
| 03:56.17 | nekostar | o: ok let me try that |
| 03:56.20 | bob2 | dregan_: oh, but that won't work |
| 03:56.21 | Seb | ryushe: then install once, and don't update |
| 03:56.22 | dannythm | Gnea: nope |
| 03:56.28 | bob2 | dregan_: sudo dpkg -P --force-depends postfix ; apt-get install postfix |
| 03:56.31 | Seb | ryushe: put the package on hold to be sure |
| 03:56.32 | Gnea | dannythm: yeah, you'll be a power-n00b by the time ya go to bed ;) |
| 03:56.33 | dannythm | Gnea: I open it? |
| 03:56.56 | ryushe | thanks for all the advice, and the Icecast2 one is the most recent one then right? |
| 03:56.57 | dregan_ | bob2: ok and on my way....... |
| 03:56.58 | Gnea | dannythm: yeah - then run synaptic |
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| 03:57.02 | dannythm | Gnea: and in tiem I'll be helping ppl like you are doing wit me n_N |
| 03:57.04 | bob2 | ryushe: yes |
| 03:57.13 | Gnea | :) |
| 03:57.14 | ryushe | thanks again |
| 03:57.15 | ryushe | ;) |
| 03:57.15 | coq | best hostmask ever: G (n=nigel@about/cooking/nakedchef/desserts/freematrix.staff.G) |
| 03:57.37 | dannythm | Gnea: ok, synaptic is open |
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| 03:57.41 | bob2 | fake hostmasks don't count |
| 03:57.51 | coq | bob2: they require creativity :D |
| 03:58.43 | Gnea | dannythm: ok, now have a nut - install whatever packages you want ;) |
| 03:59.17 | Seb | what are hostmasks ? |
| 03:59.19 | asuffield | coq: most people are capable of creating a single line of gibberish |
| 03:59.21 | dannythm | Gnea: hmmm??? |
| 03:59.36 | Gnea | dannythm: that's what synaptic is: a GUI for installing package |
| 03:59.39 | Gnea | er, packages |
| 03:59.41 | coq | asuffield: :( |
| 04:00.00 | Gnea | dannythm: you can find all of the KDE goodies there |
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| 04:00.27 | Gnea | dannythm: there are other ways of finding them as well, but this way you have a better idea of how things work |
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| 04:01.30 | dannythm | aw |
| 04:01.40 | dannythm | Gnea: when I select kde it tells me about some other packages |
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| 04:02.52 | Gnea | dannythm: that's normal - many packages depend upon other packages to be installed - if they're not installed, then it will ask you if you want to install them or not |
| 04:03.02 | dannythm | nope |
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| 04:03.16 | dannythm | Gnea: it tells me it's a broken depndence |
| 04:03.17 | Gnea | ? |
| 04:03.27 | Gnea | dannythm: hrm... what package did you select? |
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| 04:04.02 | dannythm | Gnea: the kde one |
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| 04:04.24 | Gnea | dannythm: sec... |
| 04:05.29 | litage | i installed GRUB on a SATA HD by chrooting to the HD, mounting all partitions, and then running ``grub-install --root-directory=/boot --no-floppy hd0 && update-grub''. however, the BIOS is unable to find any boot media. what did i do wrong? |
| 04:05.44 | Gnea | dannythm: ok, unselect kde and scroll down - look for kdebase |
| 04:06.23 | dannythm | Gnea: kdebase needs ksysguard |
| 04:07.00 | Gnea | dannythm: that's fine - is that a broken dependancy as well? |
| 04:07.15 | dannythm | yes |
| 04:07.29 | Gnea | wtf... |
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| 04:07.56 | tiwas | buenas, alquien que me de una mano con c++ y la STL :D |
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| 04:08.03 | samuel | sup all |
| 04:08.26 | tga | !spanish |
| 04:08.26 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 04:08.26 | samuel | tiwas, en el canal #debian-es hablan español |
| 04:08.32 | SlayerXP | hmmm, would an svn user care to check out a repo for me? I don't have a meaningful place I can test from myself right now. |
| 04:08.48 | tiwas | umps, sorry :P |
| 04:08.52 | dannythm | Gnea: yes |
| 04:09.02 | Gnea | dannythm: lol |
| 04:09.09 | samuel | anyone know how to make a VCD? any program that does that? |
| 04:09.15 | Gnea | dannythm: ok click on settings->preferences |
| 04:09.39 | dannythm | Gnea: i there? |
| 04:09.46 | Gnea | dannythm: in the general tab window, turn on 'show package properties in the main window' and 'consider recommended packages as dependencies' |
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| 04:09.55 | dannythm | samuel: I did know but in windows |
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| 04:10.29 | dannythm | Gnea: ok |
| 04:10.32 | KerPlunk | How can I make it so that services that startup with my computer don't start anymore? They are in /etc/init.d/* and my runlevel is 2. |
| 04:10.32 | Gnea | samuel: cdrdao can do it |
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| 04:10.42 | dannythm | Gnea: and now i select it again? |
| 04:10.46 | KerPlunk | I don't want to remove these pacakages...but I don't want them to start on boot. |
| 04:10.48 | Gnea | dannythm: yeah |
| 04:10.50 | samuel | Gnea, thanks |
| 04:11.14 | Gnea | !update-rc.d |
| 04:11.14 | dpkg | i guess update-rc.d is used to manipulate what's loaded when a system boots up. Also use it instead of deleting symlinks by hand Example to add: 'update-rc.d dhcpd defaults 90'. Example to remove: 'update-rc.d -f dhcpd remove', or read "man update-rc.d" for a good intro to Debian's boot process |
| 04:12.02 | dannythm | Gnea: "dependence: ksysguard but is not going to be installed" |
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| 04:13.15 | dannythm | Gnea: same error |
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| 04:15.01 | Gnea | dannythm: does it *have* to be kde? |
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| 04:15.15 | sandman | One can generally mix etch/sid, yes? |
| 04:15.32 | bob2 | no |
| 04:15.34 | Gnea | sandman: yeah but don't come complaining when there's a problem. |
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| 04:15.46 | malv | So I am working on a small little redesign of a website for class, and I decided to choose Debian. Here is what I have so far: http://www.cs.ucr.edu/~macchiea/debian.html incase anyone would like to critique it. |
| 04:15.50 | dannythm | Gnea: well... if it's not much to ask... but it can be the Aqua one for OSx =P |
| 04:15.52 | sandman | Gnea: If there's a problem, I'd first try an apt-get source -b <wahtever) after a build-dep and all that good junk |
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| 04:16.32 | Gnea | sandman: oh ok, bust it open then |
| 04:16.37 | bob2 | malv: shiney |
| 04:16.41 | dannythm | Gnea: If I cannot install kde today I'll do gnome then other day kde and the driver for the ati |
| 04:16.46 | bob2 | malv: dpkg (the bot) lives near you, too |
| 04:16.49 | sandman | Gnea: How do I pin it so that testing is installed priority over unstable? |
| 04:16.57 | sandman | Gnea: Unless specified with -d |
| 04:17.04 | sandman | or whatever the switch is to specify distro |
| 04:17.18 | dannythm | Gnea: it's 5:17 am here |
| 04:17.43 | Gnea | dannythm: geez where you at? |
| 04:17.47 | Guerin | sandman: man apt_preferences |
| 04:17.50 | dannythm | Gnea: spain lol |
| 04:17.55 | malv | bob2: so is it appealing? |
| 04:17.58 | catalyst_ | yo Gnea :) |
| 04:17.58 | Gnea | dannythm: haahha cool |
| 04:18.00 | kingsley | Guerin: I'm back. |
| 04:18.10 | Gnea | catalyst_: omg, ltns :) |
| 04:18.14 | malv | not too much on there yet |
| 04:18.29 | catalyst_ | Gnea: yea man, where have u been? How's life over there dude? |
| 04:18.37 | bob2 | malv: the top looks too high, but otherwse it's nicd |
| 04:18.41 | dannythm | Gnea: have I lost the archives I got on my &home/danny/Desktop?? |
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| 04:18.56 | JavaCR | bye |
| 04:18.59 | malv | bob2: excellent |
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| 04:19.01 | dannythm | Gnea: in kde, just before doing all of this? |
| 04:19.06 | Gnea | catalyst_: all over the place - been moving on and on, got quite a bit better in some regards, you? |
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| 04:19.33 | Gnea | dannythm: archives of the .deb files? |
| 04:19.44 | bob2 | malv: and thw sidebar needs either more or less spacing |
| 04:19.57 | dannythm | Gnea: I was downloading things with torrent and I had them in Desktop |
| 04:20.14 | dtb | hey hey.. im trying to install a psa-qmail.deb package but it dies while running useradd in the pre install script...is there a way I can extract the pre install scripts from a .deb to see why the useradd command is failing ?? |
| 04:20.20 | Gnea | dannythm: open an xterm and do a ls -l, see if there's a Desktop folder |
| 04:20.21 | Guerin | kingsley: your list o' cuss words contains some shocking omissions |
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| 04:20.43 | dannythm | Gnea: everything still there |
| 04:20.45 | bob2 | dtb: yes, man dpkg-deb |
| 04:20.46 | catalyst_ | Gnea: nothing much here also, same sh|t :) |
| 04:20.47 | malv | bob2: gotcha, right now its spacing is being determined by the ubuntu logo for some reason I have yet to figure out |
| 04:20.51 | Guerin | were they just chosen at random from a list of words liable to scare someone from the 1890s? |
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| 04:20.54 | dannythm | Gnea: I will lose it installing gnome or kde? |
| 04:20.56 | malv | bob2: errr, the debian logo |
| 04:21.01 | kingsley | Guerin: Oh. Like what? |
| 04:21.12 | Guerin | kingsley: all variations on arse, for instance. |
| 04:21.33 | kingsley | Guerin: I found the list on the web, and removed a few words. |
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| 04:21.54 | Guerin | kingsley: if you want to have any credibility, I'd suggest you use the Big 7 |
| 04:21.56 | bob2 | is "cockthirsty" on there? |
| 04:22.04 | Guerin | bob2: cock is, so yes. |
| 04:22.12 | Gnea | dannythm: no no - as long as the folder remains in your ~danny/ directory it will be fine |
| 04:22.16 | bob2 | well isn't that siht |
| 04:22.22 | dannythm | Gnea: ok |
| 04:22.23 | bob2 | fcuking lists |
| 04:22.28 | dregan_ | bob2: my main.cf and master.cf were nuked and nowhere to be found - can you point me to a howto to lead me through postfix, courier, procmail setup please |
| 04:22.36 | gravity | fucking wireless cards |
| 04:22.38 | kingsley | Thank you. I added it. |
| 04:22.39 | Gnea | dannythm: installing packages won't touch /home until you run a program that creates/modifies files there |
| 04:22.40 | dannythm | Gnea: so to install kde or gnome or whatever what should I do? |
| 04:22.42 | catalyst_ | Gnea: btw, do u have experience on Copy Control technology (Copy Protected) audio cd? |
| 04:22.43 | scarynetworkguy | So if one where to yell "fuck" again and again at kingsley would his head explode? |
| 04:22.51 | Gnea | dannythm: go for gnome for now |
| 04:22.52 | bob2 | dregan_: uh |
| 04:22.54 | Guerin | kingsley: and things like jesus, retard, penis ... come on, is this playskool? |
| 04:22.58 | bob2 | dregan_: postfix makes them when you install |
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| 04:23.07 | konfuzed | uh with this debian booth method - if expert26 is the 2.6 kernel then what kernel is just expert |
| 04:23.07 | Gnea | catalyst_: i hear they sound like crap ;) |
| 04:23.18 | Guerin | oh, crap is there too, I think |
| 04:23.19 | bob2 | konfuzed: depends on the arch |
| 04:23.25 | bob2 | konfuzed: some default to 2.4, some to 2.6 |
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| 04:23.31 | Gnea | scarynetworkguy: dunno, maybe we should try? :) |
| 04:23.31 | konfuzed | i386 |
| 04:23.33 | dregan_ | After running the script ....; apt-get install postfix they dissapeared |
| 04:23.37 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: no, his irc logbot will |
| 04:23.38 | konfuzed | cause I got athlon 600 |
| 04:23.42 | bob2 | konfuzed: 2.6 |
| 04:23.46 | kingsley | Guerin: I'll look into the big 7. |
| 04:23.48 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 04:23.51 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: it'll take a lot of fucks, though... fuck for freedom! |
| 04:24.02 | gravity | I'd fuck for freedom |
| 04:24.04 | konfuzed | is there a nother option for an athlon 600, by the way? |
| 04:24.08 | Guerin | kingsley: google george carlin |
| 04:24.15 | scarynetworkguy | And why is he missing root? I mean that seems pretty unfair. |
| 04:24.33 | nekostar | !d-i sun java |
| 04:24.36 | dpkg | sun java, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 04:24.38 | Guerin | and 'butt' is a perfectly legitimate typo |
| 04:24.42 | catalyst_ | Gnea: well, i really pissed off lately after I purchased this DM - Playing the angel by EMI, my existing dvd drive can't read/play it, even in WinXP. The firmware for the drive is up2date. Do u know of any tools/apps capable to solve it? |
| 04:25.04 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: What about "butt plug"? |
| 04:25.13 | dannythm | Gnea: thre are mor broken dependences than even in KDE |
| 04:25.16 | Guerin | kingsley: and how are we supposed to talk about sports if 'balls' is on there |
| 04:25.29 | Gnea | catalyst_: nope |
| 04:25.31 | bob2 | it's not about censorship |
| 04:25.33 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: plug isn't on there, though given the others it probably should be. |
| 04:25.35 | bob2 | it's about accountability |
| 04:25.38 | bob2 | or so I heard |
| 04:25.47 | Guerin | bob2: accountability for what? |
| 04:25.59 | catalyst_ | Gnea: is ok then, too bad. |
| 04:26.07 | gravity | Guerin: The ops |
| 04:26.14 | dannythm | Gnea: lots more |
| 04:26.17 | scarynetworkguy | bob2: So we can know who is accountable for all the good words? |
| 04:26.19 | konfuzed | so is there any other difference between expert26 and expert - besides that they will install the same kernel |
| 04:26.19 | bob2 | Guerin: good question |
| 04:26.20 | Guerin | #swearwords/#words == cussworthiness ratio? |
| 04:26.25 | Guerin | gravity: what about the ops? |
| 04:26.40 | bob2 | Guerin: scarynetworkguy it started as some plan to justifyt bans based on swearing |
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| 04:26.52 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 04:26.52 | gravity | Guerin: Got me. Ask kingsley. He hasn't said what the problem is clearly. |
| 04:26.55 | bob2 | and perhaps to embarras ops who swear like fucking sailors |
| 04:26.59 | bob2 | or something |
| 04:27.01 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: it's your fault then! |
| 04:27.08 | gravity | Well fuck my ass and call me shirley! |
| 04:27.10 | scarynetworkguy | Think he's ever read the kernel source? |
| 04:27.10 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: you're in it with the squirrel insurgents! |
| 04:27.15 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: fuck no. |
| 04:27.21 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: Aye. You've found me out. |
| 04:27.30 | Gnea | bob2: well apparantly there's this group, i think they're called envalical christians or something like that, that want to limit the type of speech patterns everyone hears and speaks, due to the fact that some people react negatively to them, and so they think it'd be better for everyone to follow the same procedure all over the world in order to prevent war from occurring or some such nonsense... |
| 04:27.42 | Guerin | the quality of words is 100% dependent on context |
| 04:28.06 | Guerin | a simple study of frequency proves very little |
| 04:28.41 | vulture | Gnea: I think you are thinking of evangelical.. and they don't all care about people's speech patterns.. |
| 04:29.00 | Guerin | they care about thought patterns |
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| 04:29.52 | Gnea | vulture: even the atheists seem determined to help them out at times |
| 04:29.58 | dannythm | Gnea: I cannot install ksysguard doing apt-get ksysguard it tells me that other process is using dpkg |
| 04:30.04 | da9000 | hey, can someone tell me if there's a way to find out if a certain WiFi card driver doesn't support 128bit WEP keys? I have an Orinoco card and it works fine on open AP's, but not when I enable 128bit WEP |
| 04:30.26 | Gnea | dannythm: you need to quit synaptic if you want to use apt-get on the command line |
| 04:30.35 | dannythm | ok |
| 04:30.47 | dannythm | well |
| 04:30.49 | konfuzed | just what does this do debian-installer/framebuffer=false ? disable video features? |
| 04:30.50 | nekostar | um |
| 04:30.55 | kingsley | da9000: Have you tried googling for its specifications? |
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| 04:31.06 | dannythm | Gnea: now it tells me that the package cannot be found |
| 04:31.06 | nekostar | Gnea, if i need the sun java package its not on the netinstall disk right? |
| 04:31.12 | Gnea | ok, i gotta run for a bit |
| 04:31.19 | Guerin | nekostar: correct |
| 04:31.33 | Guerin | nekostar: nobody NEEDS the sun java package |
| 04:31.33 | Gnea | nekostar: right, that's a separate download |
| 04:31.33 | shirocn | hello everybody |
| 04:31.35 | konfuzed | what no java on my net install disk |
| 04:31.37 | bob2 | kingsley: presumably disabled the framebuffer |
| 04:31.39 | nekostar | wtf but NOT in the repositories? |
| 04:31.41 | bob2 | konfuzed: er^ |
| 04:31.45 | da9000 | kingsley: i can't find much about it, i mean specifics, coz it's an old card, but it seems from the Linux Wifi pages that it should (at least the driver should, and it says it does) |
| 04:31.49 | shirocn | I need help |
| 04:31.52 | nekostar | i want it to run azureus |
| 04:31.54 | Guerin | all you confused about sun java, read the topic |
| 04:31.57 | bob2 | nekostar: sun doesn't let Debian distribute it |
| 04:31.58 | shirocn | I can install a driver on debian |
| 04:32.06 | bob2 | shirocn: a driver for what? |
| 04:32.11 | Guerin | shirocn: here, let me give you a gold star |
| 04:32.12 | konfuzed | thats ok didnt really want java any way |
| 04:32.20 | nekostar | then it is or is not in the install disk im getting confused |
| 04:32.25 | konfuzed | just what does this do debian-installer/framebuffer=false ? disable video features? |
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| 04:32.27 | da9000 | kingsley: iwlist eth0 key says: "2 key sizes: 40, 104 bits" ... and i assume 104 is 128bit because AFAIK there are 2 conventions of saying this |
| 04:32.27 | shirocn | ok , the problem is with savage |
| 04:32.32 | Guerin | nekostar: it is NOT. It is on java.sun.com |
| 04:32.38 | nekostar | right |
| 04:32.46 | bob2 | nekostar: why on earth would an install disk include java? |
| 04:33.03 | nekostar | i have no clue.. watch though |
| 04:33.09 | nekostar | !d-i sun java |
| 04:33.10 | dpkg | sun java, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 04:33.14 | Gnea | !tell nekostar about install java |
| 04:33.16 | bob2 | uh |
| 04:33.17 | nekostar | heh |
| 04:33.22 | bob2 | !+d-i my pants |
| 04:33.23 | dpkg | my pants, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 04:33.30 | Guerin | kingsley: the title of your page is misleading, as well. It says profanity, but it should actually be profanity and obscenity |
| 04:33.33 | bob2 | the installer does not include my pants, either |
| 04:33.40 | Guerin | and possibly just 'english' |
| 04:34.04 | bob2 | Guerin: wheere is this page? |
| 04:34.05 | shirocn | I have a integrated video card savage pro 3D |
| 04:34.07 | dannythm | Gnea: I downloaded the ksysguard package but it don't let me install it |
| 04:34.17 | Guerin | bob2: http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ |
| 04:34.18 | Gnea | dannythm: then forget kde and get gnome |
| 04:34.23 | nekostar | yeah i just misunderstood Guerin before is all sorry,,,, lets see if i can figure how to do it lol |
| 04:34.24 | konfuzed | any one on the installer/framebuffer=false |
| 04:34.37 | Gnea | dannythm: i gotta jam for awhile, maybe someone else can help ya for a bit |
| 04:34.43 | dannythm | Gnea: gnome got lots of more broken dependences than kde |
| 04:34.43 | bob2 | konfuzed: uh, I told you what it did |
| 04:34.49 | konfuzed | in that i want to pull the video card out after the install |
| 04:34.51 | bob2 | konfuzed: why are you touching that knob? |
| 04:34.59 | konfuzed | bob2: it must have whizzed by |
| 04:34.59 | bob2 | konfuzed: that hs nothing to do with anything |
| 04:35.16 | wang | wtf |
| 04:35.18 | wang | bob |
| 04:35.20 | [11aa] | its a matter of taste Gnome is better looking desktop |
| 04:35.22 | wang | you're batshit dude |
| 04:35.36 | konfuzed | does the pulling video card after make any difference |
| 04:35.37 | wang | crazier than a shithouse bat |
| 04:35.54 | bob2 | konfuzed: no |
| 04:35.56 | bob2 | wang: ? |
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| 04:35.59 | shirocn | the Xfree86 server can't recognize , and OpenGL don't work |
| 04:36.19 | bob2 | shirocn: how much do yo ucare? |
| 04:36.20 | konfuzed | 8^) |
| 04:36.33 | bob2 | DRI on a savage is not going to be that impressive, even if you do get it working |
| 04:38.03 | wang | tell it to recognize |
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| 04:38.11 | dtb | im having issues with scripts that run the useradd command.. they are trying to run it with useradd -M and my version of useradd only has the -m option... does anybody know why there are different versions of useradd? and how i can get the one that supports the -M option ? im running debian unstable |
| 04:38.22 | wang | be like "shiiii bish i put the smack jack yo, puttin mo hitz on yo azz og tripple tripple og" |
| 04:38.52 | Guerin | wang: dang doodle, all night-a long |
| 04:38.58 | wang | rofl |
| 04:40.19 | bob2 | dtb: sounds like your qmail .deb is broken |
| 04:40.29 | bob2 | which, personally, I find shocking |
| 04:41.17 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. Can we put qmail on the list of bad words? |
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| 04:41.32 | wang | yes, right up there with "Heh." |
| 04:41.39 | Guerin | it's already there, just doesn't know it yet |
| 04:42.32 | DebianUX | does mounting 2 partitions on boot take more memory? |
| 04:42.47 | Guerin | DebianUX: no |
| 04:42.56 | bob2 | well, yes |
| 04:43.00 | bob2 | but not a noticable amount |
| 04:43.05 | Guerin | not in any meaningful way |
| 04:43.16 | DebianUX | hmm, I have 866Mb free on Debian, where slackware is under 800Mb fre |
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| 04:43.42 | DebianUX | gained over 66Mb |
| 04:43.59 | raden | is there any bulk email program for linux ? |
| 04:44.00 | Guerin | DebianUX: omg, I have $1,000,000 in one bank account and $1,200,000 in another! |
| 04:44.04 | Guerin | raden: no. |
| 04:44.06 | gravity | raden: Die |
| 04:44.09 | wang | woot! more space for porn |
| 04:44.11 | welson_ | raden, no |
| 04:44.40 | konfuzed | is network-console needed in order for sarge to be happy without vid card and so pointless keyboard console |
| 04:44.46 | bob2 | no |
| 04:44.55 | DebianUX | Guerin, well if someone puts money in your account you want to know why :-) |
| 04:45.45 | konfuzed | bob2: would you say dont bother with any of those installer components |
| 04:46.09 | DebianUX | Is Debian kernel trying to pimp me or what :-D |
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| 04:46.38 | Guerin | DebianUX: debian kernels are committed to the ethical treatment of their slav^Wusers |
| 04:46.40 | bob2 | konfuzed: I'd say "if you don't know what you're doing, why the fuck are you using expert mode?" |
| 04:46.41 | welson_ | DebianUX, your kernel's size can be determined with sysctl and /proc |
| 04:47.07 | Guerin | konfuzed: get a damn video card, plug it in, get a monitor, plug it in, install |
| 04:47.21 | DebianUX | lol |
| 04:47.22 | bob2 | konfuzed: do a default install, worry about this later |
| 04:47.25 | welson_ | DebianUX, for all other options-->"echo" it-- but don't use the word pimp, it sounds dumb.. |
| 04:47.26 | Guerin | konfuzed: you'd have been able to install debian 100 times in the past day you've been whining about this |
| 04:47.44 | Guerin | DebianUX: and 'pimp' will land you on the potty mouth list |
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| 04:48.56 | DebianUX | i'm bebating weather to put debian on my main drive |
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| 04:49.16 | DebianUX | debating* |
| 04:49.45 | welson_ | debhelper, I think you've babbled main for doing, why not just go ahead and nuke that windows? |
| 04:49.55 | setuid_w00t | If anyone comes in here complaining of an unstable system that doesn't boot because of grep needing libpcre, get them to install the latest grep package. |
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| 04:50.29 | cheal | setuid_w00t: thanks for telling us. oh wait, you're...3 days late :) |
| 04:50.39 | live | yo |
| 04:50.40 | setuid_w00t | cheal: ahh :) |
| 04:50.54 | live | is anyone runnng this off their xbox? |
| 04:50.54 | setuid_w00t | cheal: well it sure gave me a scare earlier today |
| 04:51.15 | live | ???\ |
| 04:51.39 | KerPlunk | I just did an apt-get dist-upgrade...and perl was upgraded...how can I see what changes were made? |
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| 04:51.56 | gravity | KerPlunk: To perl? Check the changelogs in /usr/share/doc/perl |
| 04:51.56 | bob2 | KerPlunk: you should have written them down |
| 04:52.01 | gravity | hahaha |
| 04:52.02 | joey_ | how can I run vncserver on screen 0? |
| 04:52.06 | konfuzed | does this put all files in one partition include the swap space |
| 04:52.12 | bob2 | KerPlunk: /var/log/dpkg.log, too |
| 04:52.51 | konfuzed | as in will there be a seperate swap partition |
| 04:53.06 | DebianUX | as always |
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| 04:53.43 | KerPlunk | Do I need xfs to startup? |
| 04:53.58 | KerPlunk | I use xorg/slim/xfce/sometimes_fluxbox |
| 04:54.06 | yay-yay | hey uh..... a crontab that looks like * * * * * runs every minute of every day, ya? |
| 04:54.07 | dos000 | anyone can share the debian sarge default apt/sources.list ? i messed up mine and would like to avoid volunteering a box ! |
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| 04:54.08 | KerPlunk | If I have it not startup on boot will that break anything? |
| 04:54.23 | KerPlunk | dos000: type apt-setup |
| 04:54.42 | KerPlunk | !tell dos000 about apt-setup |
| 04:54.42 | dos000 | KerPlunk, will it add security as well ? |
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| 04:55.42 | cheal | yay-yay: it would run...every minute |
| 04:55.48 | Dr_Fie | can someone tell me the dpkg thing on how to recover the password |
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| 04:55.58 | Dr_Fie | i forget what to say to dpkg to get him to say the steps |
| 04:56.03 | Guerin | Dr_Fie: irfp |
| 04:56.07 | Guerin | err |
| 04:56.10 | Guerin | ifrp |
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| 04:56.23 | da9000 | anybody with an Orinoco WiFi card ? |
| 04:56.30 | yay-yay | cheal, i would think so... just wanted another opinion |
| 04:56.34 | Dr_Fie | errr.... ok now how do i get him to say it? |
| 04:56.42 | Dr_Fie | he's not saying anything back |
| 04:56.42 | Guerin | !anyone use an Orinoco WiFi card? |
| 04:56.43 | dpkg | No, no one uses an Orinoco WiFi card, not even the people who use it. |
| 04:56.48 | Guerin | !ifrp |
| 04:56.48 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 04:56.58 | KerPlunk | Guerin: I do. |
| 04:57.03 | Dr_Fie | o-O |
| 04:57.05 | KerPlunk | Mine doesn't work with 2.6 though, only 2.4 |
| 04:57.17 | Guerin | KerPlunk: no you don't. |
| 04:57.18 | Dr_Fie | oh there it goes |
| 04:57.20 | Dr_Fie | :D thx |
| 04:57.36 | konfuzed | why wold it make 871 mb of swap of 512 MB ram ? |
| 04:58.01 | konfuzed | from the installation partitioner |
| 04:58.02 | SlayerXP | hmmm, would an svn user care to check out a repo for me? I don't have a meaningful place I can test from myself right now. |
| 04:58.05 | konfuzed | did it twice |
| 04:58.05 | Dr_Fie | can you do the "linux init=/bin/sh" with grub? |
| 04:58.10 | Guerin | konfuzed: why would you care? |
| 04:58.24 | Guerin | Dr_Fie: add init=/bin/sh to the kernel line of grub |
| 04:58.28 | konfuzed | cause I want 1024 MB for my 512 MB ram |
| 04:58.30 | bob2 | SlayerXP: jah |
| 04:58.38 | bob2 | konfuzed: so set it |
| 04:58.40 | Dr_Fie | oh |
| 04:58.41 | konfuzed | in case im lucky enough to need it |
| 04:58.41 | Dr_Fie | o_O |
| 04:58.45 | Guerin | konfuzed: so tell it to make 1024, not that it matters |
| 04:58.47 | SlayerXP | bob2: svn co http://svn.hinterlands.org/gllugfaq/ |
| 04:58.53 | Dr_Fie | thx |
| 04:59.01 | Dr_Fie | MY FANNY PACK IS RULEZ |
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| 04:59.12 | bob2 | Dr_Fie: you can get a cream for that, I think |
| 04:59.17 | SlayerXP | looks like it worked |
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| 04:59.22 | Guerin | Dr_Fie: careful, fanny is bound to be in the list of bad words |
| 04:59.30 | Dr_Fie | 0.0 |
| 04:59.36 | Dr_Fie | bad words? |
| 04:59.39 | bob2 | SlayerXP: looks ok here, too |
| 04:59.41 | Dr_Fie | what happends if i say bad words? |
| 04:59.57 | bob2 | Dr_Fie: kingsley spanks you |
| 05:00.00 | Guerin | Dr_Fie: black marks get put next to your name in the Ledger of Kingsley |
| 05:00.10 | SlayerXP | bob2: try a commit, it should prompt you for auth |
| 05:00.14 | SlayerXP | or say "no, go away" |
| 05:00.18 | Guerin | then eventually you have to pay for them all |
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| 05:00.24 | deadcat | anyone watch NBA basketball? heard about the dress code? is that limiting free speech? |
| 05:00.30 | Dr_Fie | kingsley??? |
| 05:00.31 | Guerin | Dr_Fie: no |
| 05:00.34 | Guerin | deadcat: no |
| 05:01.00 | deadcat | Guerin: oh. why not? but the terrel owens (NFL) is right? |
| 05:01.02 | bob2 | SlayerXP: asking for auth |
| 05:01.05 | Guerin | deadcat: careful ... apple starts with a - lots of bad words start with the letter a |
| 05:01.09 | SlayerXP | bob2: cool. thanks. |
| 05:01.47 | Guerin | deadcat: employers can require any standard of dress they like of an employee; venue owners can enforce any standard of dress they like at their venue. Simple. |
| 05:02.03 | deadcat | Guerin: ah. |
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| 05:03.08 | Dr_Fie | squirty pores own |
| 05:03.14 | konfuzed | uh it says a max of 995.3 MB of swap - whats that all about |
| 05:03.14 | bob2 | but they're opressing my right to be naked! |
| 05:03.29 | Guerin | Dr_Fie: is this the 'mix and match random words' game? |
| 05:03.42 | Guerin | bob2: they are. Sad for you, happy for others. |
| 05:03.43 | bob2 | konfuzed: how much free disk space do you have? |
| 05:03.52 | konfuzed | I deleted all partitions |
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| 05:04.02 | bob2 | konfuzed: and didn't make any others? |
| 05:04.05 | Dr_Fie | Guerin: squiry pores have tons of MAZEL!! |
| 05:04.07 | konfuzed | marked this to be at end of disk |
| 05:04.12 | Guerin | konfuzed: you don't need more swap than that |
| 05:04.16 | konfuzed | and this is the first partition im maiaking |
| 05:04.33 | konfuzed | why would it stop me at 995.3MB |
| 05:05.39 | SlayerXP | my younger cat is mental. she's howling at the bad weather outside |
| 05:05.48 | dtb | .j #gclug |
| 05:05.51 | dtb | fa |
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| 05:05.51 | bob2 | she wants to take it on |
| 05:05.56 | gravity | hehe |
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| 05:06.11 | konfuzed | ok now its set to 2 gig |
| 05:06.13 | squareguy | does anyone know of a flash to floppy controller adapter similar to the ide adapters for embedded applications? IE for NAS boxes |
| 05:06.14 | konfuzed | swap |
| 05:06.25 | konfuzed | i'll reduce that bak to 1gig in a bit |
| 05:06.33 | Guerin | konfuzed: WHY? |
| 05:06.38 | Guerin | just set it to 995! |
| 05:06.38 | SlayerXP | what the...? |
| 05:06.47 | SlayerXP | konfuzed: you do not need that much swap |
| 05:06.49 | konfuzed | 2 gig swap is too o much for 512 physical ram |
| 05:06.52 | Guerin | that 30MB will make ABSOLUTELY NO FUCKING DIFFERENCE |
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| 05:07.08 | Guerin | can I make this any clearer? |
| 05:07.14 | ryan-__ | where is the config file for what is being mounted on boot? |
| 05:07.18 | Guerin | you're WASTING YOUR FUCKING TIME, and ours |
| 05:07.26 | Guerin | ryan-__: /etc/fstab |
| 05:07.30 | ryan-__ | thx |
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| 05:08.06 | bonz | Guerin: thats as clear as mud too me :P |
| 05:08.10 | da9000 | anybody with an Orinoco WiFi card ? |
| 05:08.16 | KerPlunk | da9000: I have one. |
| 05:08.20 | SlayerXP | da9000: yes, you. |
| 05:08.24 | Guerin | !anyone use an Orinoco WiFi card? |
| 05:08.25 | dpkg | No, no one uses an Orinoco WiFi card, not even the people who use it. |
| 05:08.34 | da9000 | KerPlunk: do you know if it has any problems with 128bit WEP keys ? |
| 05:08.43 | bonz | yes thanks :) |
| 05:08.46 | deadcat | da9000: ya load the damn module |
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| 05:08.54 | KerPlunk | da9000: You didn't give me nearly enough information to answer your question. |
| 05:08.59 | konfuzed | what happened is i went through the partitioner and did 19.5gb for ext 3 hoping to get 1gb left for swap, but no go - only 995, then deleted both and started again with 20.5 gig free space listed and then went to create a swap partition and it still only let me do 995.3mb |
| 05:09.01 | da9000 | deadcat: it's loaded, but i get "Rx invalid crypt" errors |
| 05:09.05 | deadcat | da9000: orinoco has bronze silver and gold. if you dont have gold you dont get 128bit wep |
| 05:09.06 | KerPlunk | da9000: try reading en.wikipedia.org/wiki/wireless then /join #wireless |
| 05:09.20 | ryan-__ | Guerin: once i edit fstab, how do i make it take effect |
| 05:09.23 | da9000 | deadcat: i see.. i think it's silver |
| 05:09.28 | da9000 | deadcat: let me check |
| 05:09.34 | deadcat | da9000: google for orinoco silver to gold hack |
| 05:09.36 | konfuzed | so i went and made an 18.5 gb ext 3 and then delted teh 995 swap and then could make the whole remaining 2 gig as a swap |
| 05:09.39 | KerPlunk | Guerin: Do I need atd? |
| 05:09.43 | Guerin | ryan-__: do nothing. It'll take effect next time fstab is read. |
| 05:09.44 | konfuzed | thats a bit odd behaviour |
| 05:09.46 | da9000 | KerPlunk: i didn't know of #wireless, thanks |
| 05:09.48 | Guerin | konfuzed: you tell me. |
| 05:09.50 | da9000 | deadcat: ok, thanks a lot |
| 05:09.59 | KerPlunk | Guerin: Is that useful at all? |
| 05:10.02 | bonz | if you have anything but a gold you would possibly need too flash it before you can manage any decent sort of encryption |
| 05:10.02 | Guerin | KerPlunk: you tell me |
| 05:10.08 | konfuzed | Guerin: that is what happened |
| 05:10.14 | Guerin | konfuzed: stop caring |
| 05:10.15 | dos000 | anyone know why i keep getting "build-essential: Depends: libc6-dev but it is not going to be installed or" |
| 05:10.21 | dos000 | this is on sarge |
| 05:10.22 | squareguy | yeah that extra 5mb for swap will give a 100,000% speed increase. if you want exact learn base 2 and use bytes |
| 05:10.24 | Guerin | konfuzed: just hit enter and go and have a beer |
| 05:10.28 | konfuzed | gee fine |
| 05:10.31 | bob2 | konfuzed: could be a bug |
| 05:10.37 | KerPlunk | Guerin: The man page is so general. |
| 05:10.39 | bob2 | konfuzed: #debian-boot would be the place to ask |
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| 05:10.45 | KerPlunk | Guerin: I'm on a laptop with xfce and I use firefox. |
| 05:10.50 | KerPlunk | Guerin: That's all...do I need it? |
| 05:11.09 | KerPlunk | I want to disable it at startup...not remove it. |
| 05:11.17 | Guerin | KerPlunk: let me see ... sorry, crystal ball is out of crystal juice |
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| 05:11.41 | KerPlunk | Guerin: If I disable exim4 to start at startup will I not get system mail from localhost? |
| 05:11.57 | Guerin | KerPlunk: you won't get ANY mail if you disable your MTA |
| 05:12.03 | Guerin | !qotd25 |
| 05:12.03 | dpkg | <ananke> erps : here. let me rub my crystal ball. <erps> ananke, awesome, can I borrow that? :) <ananke> erps : nope. company policy, we can't give away our crystall balls. <erps> ahhh :( But I assume you let special people rub them for you? <ananke> erps : you're not that special |
| 05:12.22 | KerPlunk | Guerin: Do you use atd? |
| 05:12.22 | Guerin | KerPlunk: just like you won't get any phone calls if you unplug your phone |
| 05:12.33 | Guerin | KerPlunk: i have |
| 05:12.51 | Guerin | KerPlunk: but my usage is almost certainly wildly different to yours |
| 05:13.10 | Ohzie | Hey. |
| 05:13.38 | bonz | horze |
| 05:14.19 | Ohzie | Has anybody here gotten a Linksys WMP11v4(InterProComm chipset) working on linux? And might be able to help me through the ndiswrapper, or point me to a manual to read? =P |
| 05:14.38 | gravity | Ohzie: The ndiswrapper site has good docs |
| 05:14.39 | konfuzed | the bootable flag is listed as off for the partition / sholdnt this be on |
| 05:14.50 | gravity | That's how I struggled my way through it, although for a different card |
| 05:16.28 | squareguy | konfuzed; bootable flag shoud be on wherever your boot loader resides, just install the damn thing to MBR |
| 05:16.41 | Xenguy | Openbox vs. Fluxbox: can anyone contrast and compare? Which is faster, or does it matter? Comments? |
| 05:16.56 | Guerin | Xenguy: openbox is more minimal |
| 05:17.03 | Xenguy | Guerin: OK |
| 05:17.04 | gravity | pwm 4eva |
| 05:17.06 | Guerin | Xenguy: otherwise they're not wildly different |
| 05:17.18 | Xenguy | tx Guerin |
| 05:17.24 | Guerin | and more minimal isn't an oxymoron, not at all |
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| 05:17.36 | Xenguy | heh |
| 05:17.47 | Xenguy | less is more |
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| 05:18.41 | bonz | no less is better then more :P |
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| 05:19.09 | bonz | cant scroll up in more :( |
| 05:19.11 | slide | i have to run "setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none" and then "modprobe lirc_serial" on boot, what is the proper way to do that? |
| 05:19.26 | bonz | or I don't know how too scroll up in more |
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| 05:20.04 | skypa | hi guys |
| 05:20.05 | bonz | probably add lirc_serial to /etc/modules |
| 05:20.13 | litage | bonz: switch to 'less' |
| 05:20.22 | slide | bonz, yea i was thinking that, but i need the other command to run before that |
| 05:20.27 | skypa | is there a way to "find ./ | grep xy" a directory and pass the results on to "rm" ? |
| 05:20.35 | Guerin | litage: congratulations, you get the 'didn't read the scrollback' award |
| 05:20.41 | Guerin | skypa: xargs |
| 05:20.42 | bonz | litage: I did years ago :) |
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| 05:22.10 | skypa | ty Guerin :) |
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| 05:22.52 | bonz | skypa: too what? The railway track? |
| 05:23.06 | skypa | huh? |
| 05:23.08 | KerPlunk | How can I tell what files a particular package uses on my system? |
| 05:23.20 | KerPlunk | Like I installed "toshutils" from apt-get...but what did it install? |
| 05:23.21 | dregan_ | Is it possible to ask someone to paste into flood a sources.list that gets what is required for postfix, ldap, etc |
| 05:23.36 | Guerin | KerPlunk: dpkg -L toshutils |
| 05:23.39 | pau4o | KerPlunk, dpkg -L package |
| 05:23.41 | KerPlunk | thanks |
| 05:23.50 | Guerin | dregan_: run apt-setup |
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| 05:23.55 | bonz | umm any mirror should suffice |
| 05:24.02 | dregan_ | Guerin: ta |
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| 05:24.31 | litage | Guerin: hahah we all get it from time to time =) |
| 05:25.09 | konfuzed | ok rebooting my new debian |
| 05:25.11 | Guerin | litage: yeah, it's normally me |
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| 05:25.25 | Guerin | konfuzed: we still don't care |
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| 05:25.33 | litage | zing! i stole the award from you, Guerin! what're you going to do now? |
| 05:25.48 | Guerin | litage: should only take me an hour or so to win it back. |
| 05:27.43 | dregan_ | I have been having no end of trouble trying to get postfix etc... installed - it is really difficult to find a howto that actually works - can someone ( who Knows :-} ) please look at the howto ( briefly ) at http://www.metaconsultancy.com/whitepapers/smtp.htm to see if this is suitable? |
| 05:29.13 | bonz | without starting a browser war what recommendation is there for a gui browser which doesn't leak or hog the cpu too the point of being killed? |
| 05:30.25 | Guerin | bonz: no. |
| 05:30.43 | cheal | how could you find the X driver in use in a quick (one-liner), reliable and distro-independent (at least release-independent) way? |
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| 05:31.03 | litage | dregan_: try this guide. it worked extremely well for me: http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ |
| 05:31.26 | bonz | Guerin: no?? |
| 05:32.06 | dregan_ | Guerin: apt-setup worked well - phew |
| 05:32.07 | Gnea | bonz: firefox giving you the shits too eh? |
| 05:32.30 | bonz | Gnea: what is firefox? |
| 05:32.38 | dregan_ | litage - thank you, will do, my sanity is in you hands ! |
| 05:32.48 | Gnea | bonz: *BLINK* |
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| 05:33.13 | bonz | I've used netscrape, mozilla & konqueror & ended up back on lynx-ssl |
| 05:33.28 | Gnea | bonz: firefox is the browser-only component of mozilla |
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| 05:33.54 | bonz | the scrapuh was possibly the lightest but it's memory leaks are painful |
| 05:34.01 | Gnea | bonz: well, links-ssl supports frames and such properly |
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| 05:34.17 | litage | dregan_: hah, good luck |
| 05:34.33 | bonz | but neith lynx or links do the java crap too well |
| 05:34.40 | Gnea | bonz: yes, the mem leaks have indeed come back to haunt us all |
| 05:34.50 | dregan_ | litage: thanks, I need it - this is about try 5 |
| 05:35.01 | litage | dregan_: as long as you're learning, it doesn't matter |
| 05:35.31 | dos000 | what is the easiest way to check if a server has rebooted ? |
| 05:35.39 | Gnea | dos000: ping it |
| 05:35.41 | bonz | but given I only have net access for about 2-3 months of the year I figured I'd investigate an alternative while I have it |
| 05:35.44 | litage | dos000: uptime |
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| 05:36.00 | bob2 | dregan_: postfix works out of the box |
| 05:36.02 | dos000 | litage, thanks |
| 05:36.02 | dregan_ | litage: yup - but I am old, and learning is only done through spaced repitition and a huge number of mistakes - an older memory doesn't help either |
| 05:36.07 | bob2 | dregan_: if it doesn't, something is deeply broken |
| 05:36.10 | bonz | dos000: how long is a piece of string? depends on what the server does |
| 05:36.50 | empty_mind | is there a debian installer which will run off a usb pen drive? |
| 05:36.53 | dregan_ | bob2: does it install courier so that I can use an email reader ( thunderbird) |
| 05:36.53 | dos000 | bonz, i just needed the uptime ! i was not sure if the server rebooted or not and wanted to make sure |
| 05:37.00 | bob2 | dregan_: no |
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| 05:37.12 | bob2 | dregan_: but installing dovecot should be enough to get imap and pop to work |
| 05:37.14 | bob2 | EspeonEefi: yes |
| 05:37.17 | bob2 | er |
| 05:37.19 | bob2 | empty_mind: yes |
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| 05:37.32 | dos000 | empty_mind, there was an article on running debian on a usb stick |
| 05:37.33 | ryan-__ | i've mounted an smbfs share, but i want to be able to write to it? the command i'm using now is: mount -t smbfs //hydrogen/shared /home/shared/hydrogen |
| 05:37.48 | Gnea | !usb_install |
| 05:37.52 | Gnea | !usb install |
| 05:37.53 | dregan_ | bob2: as usual, you have a great insight, can I use the normal pop with dovecot |
| 05:37.55 | Gnea | hrm |
| 05:37.57 | bonz | dos000: cat /proc/uptime would do it :) |
| 05:38.05 | bob2 | dregan_: dovecot has a pop3 and imap4 server |
| 05:38.16 | dos000 | bonz, thanks |
| 05:38.38 | bonz | or simply uptime if you want something human readable |
| 05:38.44 | dregan_ | bob2: thats great, I will stdw for a howto and info |
| 05:38.49 | konfuzed | gee i dunno should i grab those non free software capabilities, just in case |
| 05:39.00 | dregan_ | stdw = search the darn web |
| 05:39.01 | ryan-__ | how would i make it so i can write to that directory? |
| 05:39.21 | bob2 | dregan_: no need for the simple case; just installing dovecot-imapd and dovecot-pop3d should get it working immediately |
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| 05:39.43 | Gnea | dregan_: just for you |
| 05:39.45 | Gnea | !stdw |
| 05:39.45 | dpkg | it has been said that stdw is Search The Darn Web |
| 05:40.00 | KerPlunk | When I use gnome or kde...and I put in my usb thumb drive...or a disc...it is automatically mounted...how can I make it do the same thing in fluxbox or xfce? |
| 05:40.12 | dregan_ | bob2: under way! |
| 05:40.17 | bob2 | KerPlunk: with difficulty |
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| 05:40.37 | TheCount | ryan-__: man mount, especially the option 'uid' and the modes. and maybe you want to use cifs instead of smbfs |
| 05:40.53 | Gnea | KerPlunk: usbmount |
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| 05:42.06 | bonz | smb <shudder> |
| 05:42.07 | smartbhai | hi people .. anyone using xli image viewer..here |
| 05:42.27 | Gnea | bonz: better than nfs |
| 05:42.28 | bonz | yup |
| 05:42.41 | bonz | Gnea: I have no issues with nfs |
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| 05:43.19 | bonz | never been a problem since ditching all the proprietry software |
| 05:43.46 | dvsdude | hey all any recommendations for a program to fax from debian |
| 05:43.53 | Gnea | if it's distributed with debian, it's not proprietary |
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| 05:44.02 | TheCount | dvsdude: Hylafax |
| 05:44.12 | bonz | apt-cache search fax |
| 05:44.22 | TheCount | Gnea: being open source doesn't make software less proprietary, from my point of view. see cyrus, for example. |
| 05:44.24 | gravity | hylafax and efax are popular, although I've never used either |
| 05:44.30 | dvsdude | TheCount, thanks |
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| 05:44.51 | dvsdude | bonz, cheers already did that just wanted to see which one was recommended |
| 05:44.54 | Guerin | TheCount: huh? |
| 05:45.13 | Guerin | TheCount: a given piece of free software cannot be proprietary. |
| 05:45.25 | Gnea | TheCount: control can be very important. |
| 05:45.47 | bonz | dvsdude: scan it in, place it on a webserver, then email the url :) |
| 05:46.17 | Dewi | Guerin: I can write free software to follow the unknown standard called "Dewi's Internet Standard" |
| 05:46.35 | Guerin | Dewi: if you license it freely, it's still free software. |
| 05:46.35 | bob2 | smartbhai: just ask your question... |
| 05:46.43 | bob2 | !+cyrus |
| 05:46.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, cyrus is the CMU Cyrus mail system. It supports IMAP, POP3, NNTP and many other mail related protocols. Its homepage is at http://asg.web.cmu.edu/cyrus/. <greycat> cyrus is like a huge black cube with an eyeball painted on it that says "YOUR MAIL IS SAFE WITH ME, CITIZEN" |
| 05:46.48 | dvsdude | Guerin, free does not mean that its gpl |
| 05:46.59 | Guerin | Dewi: it might implement an undocumented or proprietary protocol, but that's no difference. |
| 05:47.01 | bob2 | amen, greycat |
| 05:47.02 | smartbhai | bob2 : i think xli kind of takes time to display pics.. |
| 05:47.04 | Dewi | Guerin: it would be proprietary though |
| 05:47.12 | TheCount | Guerin: depends on the legalese - a lot of GPL software can be thought of as proprietary, at least as long as it isn't written over to the FSF, which makes it a little bit better |
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| 05:47.15 | smartbhai | bob2 : anyway to make it faster |
| 05:47.24 | Guerin | Dewi: really? OMG. Here I thought it was only the GPL. Oh wait. Did I mention the GPL? No. Ok. |
| 05:47.26 | bob2 | smartbhai: is 'display' from imagemagick any quicker? |
| 05:47.44 | nuix | how can i use proxy to surf net by mozilla-firefox, i configure mozilla-firefox with proxy but does not work |
| 05:47.47 | smartbhai | bob2 : yeah u can say that.. like feh also works faster |
| 05:48.03 | bob2 | smartbhai: then report a wishlist bug on xli |
| 05:48.09 | bob2 | nuix: too vague |
| 05:48.10 | TheCount | Guerin: yeah, whatever. I can write software adhering to the Debian social contract while still being proprietary enough for you to not understand it in a year without big problems. |
| 05:48.14 | smartbhai | bob2 :ok |
| 05:48.23 | Guerin | Dewi: no. It would be free software designed to use a proprietary protocol. Really big difference, since I can use it as a base to implement Guerin's Unproprietary Internet Protocol |
| 05:48.28 | dvsdude | nuix, does your proxy require authentication check the port as well |
| 05:48.34 | bob2 | a good example is the "nv" X driver |
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| 05:48.40 | bob2 | it's free software (allegedly) |
| 05:48.42 | Guerin | TheCount: you're handwaving. |
| 05:48.50 | bob2 | but it contains so many magic numbers that it's unmodifiabe |
| 05:48.59 | TheCount | Guerin: yes, I am. and you're not really listening, it seems. |
| 05:49.11 | Dewi | Guerin: I just don't think "proprietary" has all that much to do with software licensing |
| 05:49.24 | TheCount | Guerin: having an open source implementation or an open specification of a protocol can make a huuuuuuuuuge difference. |
| 05:49.27 | nuix | dvsdude, yes, but mozilla-firefox has no options to set user and password |
| 05:49.40 | Gnea | TheCount: it's okay, Guerin has issues when it comes to things too deep - he gets pissed off very easily |
| 05:49.52 | Guerin | Gnea: fuck off. |
| 05:50.00 | Gnea | Guerin: :) |
| 05:50.03 | TheCount | Gnea: and I stay patient and helpful very easily. |
| 05:50.05 | Guerin | TheCount: I agree entirely, but that don't change the fact that the SOFTWARE is itself free. |
| 05:50.18 | Guerin | Dewi: then you're wrong. |
| 05:50.25 | Gnea | TheCount: i can be either or. today i've been very patient and helpful. |
| 05:50.32 | Gnea | and i prefer it that way. |
| 05:50.32 | Dewi | free software can be restricted by patents or trademarks |
| 05:50.35 | TheCount | Guerin: free as in beer maybe, but not as in speech. it doesn't make it less proprietary in my eyes. |
| 05:50.37 | Dewi | which in my view makes it proprietary |
| 05:50.37 | nuix | dvsdude, now i chat with you by xchat using proxy, but mozilla-firefox does not work |
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| 05:50.54 | TheCount | Guerin: I don't have easy (!!) access to what it's about, albeit I might be able/allowed to use it. |
| 05:50.58 | Gnea | Dewi: patents and trademarks are good things. |
| 05:51.12 | gravity | ke6isf: That fucking thing is a joke |
| 05:51.13 | dvsdude | nuix, check this ; http://www.madpenguin.org/cms/html/47/2616.html |
| 05:51.19 | Guerin | Dewi: all non-trivial software is probably encumbered by patents. I suggest you stop using your computer now. |
| 05:51.21 | TheCount | Gnea: .. in their original meaning, yeah. but not how they got perverted the last decades. |
| 05:51.24 | dvsdude | nuix, about half way down |
| 05:51.46 | konfuzed | hmm the package selection seems to have a pile of dependencies for gnome things so it looks lke its trying to install all of gnome |
| 05:51.51 | nuix | dvsdude, thanx ! |
| 05:51.59 | Guerin | TheCount: sure. I know what you mean. Are you saying gaim is proprietary because it implements MSN and yahoo protocols? |
| 05:52.00 | ke6isf | gravity: splain? |
| 05:52.04 | Gnea | TheCount: true, but even still, there's a global pedamic when it comes to the way software is utilized. |
| 05:52.12 | Guerin | pedamic? |
| 05:52.12 | konfuzed | I wanted to keep X and Gnome out of this |
| 05:52.32 | gravity | ke6isf: Etch hasn't gone beta. The installer has gone beta. |
| 05:52.36 | Gnea | did i mispell again? |
| 05:52.41 | gravity | ke6isf: Slashdot got it way wrong |
| 05:52.41 | TheCount | Gnea: pedamic? |
| 05:52.46 | ke6isf | gravity: Ah, so this is just standard Slashdot reporting then. |
| 05:52.51 | gravity | Right |
| 05:52.52 | Guerin | Gnea: depends what you mean by pedamic |
| 05:53.00 | gravity | The installer also has a ways to go to release |
| 05:53.09 | TheCount | Guerin: you're splitting hairs. no, I wouldn't. but it's quite unlike xmpp/jabber. |
| 05:53.13 | dvsdude | nuix, maybe try auto-dectect proxy for this network also |
| 05:53.19 | Gnea | s/pedamic/pandemic/g |
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| 05:53.48 | nuix | dvsdude, you mean in server side? |
| 05:53.54 | Dewi | if there were no "proprietary" concerns with MP3, there would be no Vorbis. If there were no "proprietary" concerns with document formats, openoffice.org wouldn't have recently switched to OpenDocument XML format. |
| 05:53.55 | ke6isf | gravity: Any ETA for Etch going stable, if you had to throw a figure out there? |
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| 05:54.07 | TheCount | Gnea: indeed. but it'll have to work out in the end. I don't think economics depending on steady growth stand a chance in the long run, it's just not possible. |
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| 05:54.16 | Guerin | TheCount: this is my point. Just because a program implements some undocumented spec doesn't make IT proprietary. |
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| 05:54.27 | chealer | !etch pool 1 |
| 05:54.27 | dpkg | i heard etch pool 1 is caphuso=WIR/SIYH/RSN! scarynetworkguy=2006-01-03 streuner=2006-06-06 mdh=2006-09-11 antgel=2006-12-05 asg=2006-12-07 resiak=2007-04-21 greycat=2007-07-07 abrotman, chealer=2007-10-02 r3v=2008-07-23 simonrvn=when_the_cows_come_home |
| 05:54.38 | dvsdude | nuix, i use firefox thru authenticating proxy and i enter http://auto.proxy.xxx.xxx.xx in automatic proxey configuration URL setting |
| 05:54.41 | da9000 | deadcat: thanks man, i'm going to flash this bizatch |
| 05:54.43 | Guerin | Dewi: I am entirely in agreement with you. |
| 05:54.49 | Gnea | TheCount: exactly. everything's going to flux again and there will be a large boom in q1 of next year |
| 05:54.50 | TheCount | Gnea: .. but encouraging innovation by allowing someone to reap profit with it FOR SOME TIME was a good idea in itself |
| 05:55.28 | dvsdude | nuix, i then get prompted for username and password and away i go |
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| 05:55.42 | TheCount | Guerin: well, in my eyes, it can - for example if the whole functionality depends on something proprietary I'm kept in the dark about. |
| 05:55.47 | slide | How do i add /etc/init.d/lirc to start on boot? |
| 05:55.47 | ke6isf | chealer - good answer. =^^= |
| 05:55.49 | Dewi | Guerin: its use is however |
| 05:55.49 | Dewi | guand isn't that what counts? |
| 05:55.49 | Dewi | sod. irc is lagging out. |
| 05:56.11 | TheCount | slide: update-rc.d lirc defaults |
| 05:56.24 | Guerin | Dewi: TheCount: no, because the POINT of free software is that it can be used as a base for OTHER things, potentially non-proprietary. |
| 05:56.28 | slide | TheCount, thanks :) im used to gentoo and yntax is always different hehe |
| 05:56.33 | Guerin | use is irrelevant |
| 05:56.34 | Gnea | TheCount: everyone's in the dark about something. :) |
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| 05:56.51 | Guerin | it's like saying a piece of software is proprietary because it doesn't appear to do anything |
| 05:56.57 | TheCount | Gnea: .. but not necessarily. |
| 05:57.02 | slide | TheCount, "System startup links for /etc/init.d/lirc already exist." ?? |
| 05:57.04 | slide | hrm |
| 05:57.11 | nuix | dvsdude, i set my own proxy server on windows xp, and then i surf net using linux box through the proxy server |
| 05:57.17 | Gnea | TheCount: that's debateable |
| 05:57.19 | TheCount | slide: go thru the dirs and clean up before |
| 05:57.25 | TheCount | Gnea: exactly |
| 05:57.30 | Gnea | :) |
| 05:57.42 | TheCount | Guerin: I know what you want to say - but my experience told me otherwise often enough |
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| 05:58.04 | TheCount | Guerin: there is enough 'free' software out there which really isn't helpful about itself. |
| 05:58.27 | TheCount | Guerin: you're just not handed the leverage to let something else evolve from it without pain. |
| 05:58.45 | Guerin | TheCount: i think the difference here is that I'm talking in strict, made up by others, documented definitions and you're talking in vague, made up by you, undocumented, definitions |
| 05:58.46 | TheCount | ke6isf: what's your use case? |
| 05:58.48 | dvsdude | nuix, soz now windows help from me.... check ur cough cough xp settings |
| 05:58.50 | Guerin | which is wonderfully ironic |
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| 05:59.55 | fah | Guerin , TheCount : what is the controversy ? |
| 06:00.00 | TheCount | Guerin: if you think so. to me, a well-documented protocol like xmpp and it's extensions and an open sourced client like psi are fine examples of free, non-proprietary software. |
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| 06:00.37 | Dewi | Guerin: all I'm saying is that I don't see much value in terms of "freedom", of somebody writing an MSN Messenger client. It doesn't have any non-proprietary value, except perhaps for the GUI code. |
| 06:00.38 | TheCount | Guerin: cyrus with it's complicated mail storage format isn't. centericq with it's obscure use and inclusion of other protocols isn't. |
| 06:01.00 | Dewi | Guerin: although it does let one get a foot in the door, in terms of functionality |
| 06:01.04 | Gnea | Guerin: so you're saying that free, non-proprietary software doesn't have its own set of strict, made up by others, documented (and sometimes undocumented) definitions and features? |
| 06:01.06 | TheCount | Guerin: the legal definiton of free software might be met, but the spirit isn't. can't talk about spirit. |
| 06:01.06 | Dewi | Guerin: so it's still a stepping stone |
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| 06:01.53 | TheCount | Guerin: but your cultural background or set of acceptable terms may differ completely :) |
| 06:02.01 | Gnea | TheCount: wait, where is it defined that spirit can't be discussed? |
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| 06:02.24 | fah | TheCount : so you are saying that free software which uses "proprietairy" things is bad ? |
| 06:02.24 | gteppel | What command locks the screen in Linux? is it a Desktop Enviroment thing or a X program. I want to bind my Windows Key + L so it locks my computer |
| 06:02.34 | ke6isf | TheCount: use case? |
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| 06:02.42 | Gnea | gteppel: xlock |
| 06:02.44 | TheCount | ke6isf: what do you intend to do with it |
| 06:02.59 | gteppel | Gnea; thanks |
| 06:03.03 | Gnea | gteppel: np |
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| 06:03.30 | ke6isf | TheCount: basically, recount a history of a region. More or less what Wikipedia does, but it's very specific. |
| 06:03.34 | TheCount | Gnea: uh, this would lead far - most of it may be discussed, but talking about the path isn't walking the path, if you catch the reference |
| 06:03.48 | ke6isf | TheCount: Rephrase, recount a fairly detailed history of a region's transit system. |
| 06:03.52 | Gnea | TheCount: oh ok, that makes sense then |
| 06:04.02 | Guerin | TheCount: i agree with you! But that doesn't make the software proprietary! |
| 06:04.18 | TheCount | fah: no, I say free software which is create upon a basis which is kept secret or obscured is bad. |
| 06:04.32 | Guerin | but I think that at least now you've understood my point. |
| 06:04.34 | TheCount | fah: interfacing to proprietary software in an open way makes it better, not worse :) |
| 06:05.01 | TheCount | Guerin: I did the whole time. It doesn't make it proprietary FROM YOUR POINT OF VIEW. I beg to differ. |
| 06:05.24 | Guerin | TheCount: and once again, we get back to the point of definitions. |
| 06:05.26 | TheCount | btw, good reading: The New Inquisition - by Robert Anton Wilson. |
| 06:05.29 | fah | TheCount : ah, i catch your drift. I was about to tell you that your bios is unfree. |
| 06:05.40 | Gnea | Guerin: I think TheCount happened upon something extremely important that I've noticed for quite awhile now - our cultural differences tend to pit us against each other verbally at times. I wonder why that is sometimes, then the answer becomes obvious, and then I wonder why we let ourselves continue on with it. :) |
| 06:05.49 | Dewi | Guerin: an MSN Messenger client might not be proprietary *code*, but it's still a proprietary *system* in that its use is controlled by microsoft |
| 06:05.56 | Guerin | Gnea: it's because you're a fucking idiot, and I'm not. |
| 06:06.01 | Guerin | Gnea: obviously :) |
| 06:06.18 | TheCount | Guerin: no, rather to reality tunnels, perception and belief systems |
| 06:06.45 | TheCount | Dewi: for example. |
| 06:06.52 | Guerin | TheCount: there's no need to get metaphysical. This is a simple case of definitions. |
| 06:06.58 | dregan_ | I have just installed dovecot - using secureCRT over the web to my server, when I try to "utt -f imap://dannyr@realtek.net.au/folder", I get an error message " Could not connect to realtek.net.au (Connection refused).", the first time I tried mut, it asked for permission to create a Mail folder? |
| 06:06.59 | TheCount | Guerin: being ignorant about other peoples view makes you something else entirely ;) |
| 06:07.06 | Gnea | Guerin: so what you're saying is that your cultural society teaches you to think that everyone else is stupid but you? :) |
| 06:07.09 | fooz | i hope linux gets ported to psp soon! |
| 06:07.11 | dregan_ | utt= mutt |
| 06:07.21 | Guerin | TheCount: i can call a duck a turkey, but that don't make it so. |
| 06:07.34 | TheCount | Guerin: we could discuss the infeasibility of definitions now, but that would lead us in circles even more. |
| 06:07.38 | Guerin | Gnea: there was no sarcasm in that, none whatsoever. |
| 06:07.39 | fah | fooz: what do you want to do with linux on the psp ? |
| 06:07.45 | bonz | ~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~psp?? |
| 06:07.47 | fooz | everything |
| 06:07.47 | Dewi | Guerin: but was TheCount really talking about "code" or about "systems"? Because "systems" are fairly vague things and depending on your implicit interpretation either of you could be correct. |
| 06:07.55 | bonz | arrgh |
| 06:08.06 | TheCount | ke6isf: well, twiki might no nice, mediawiki as well, but something more simple might do as well |
| 06:08.31 | ke6isf | TheCount: Was eyeing kwiki. |
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| 06:08.33 | Gnea | Guerin: so you're saying that your use of free software and computers in general is based solely upon your hate? |
| 06:08.36 | bonz | more simple? |
| 06:08.40 | Guerin | Dewi: right. It wasn't specified. |
| 06:08.50 | bonz | is that like being more pregnant? |
| 06:08.53 | TheCount | ke6isf: don't know that |
| 06:09.00 | Guerin | Gnea: hate? |
| 06:09.09 | fooz | wonder how similar PSP is to the PS2. There's a linux port to PS2 (made by Sony) but it requires a bootloader / hardware abstraction layer that goes through the PS2's DRM system |
| 06:09.12 | ke6isf | TheCount: Was listed alongside twiki on the wiki page on...well, wikipedia. |
| 06:09.14 | fooz | to keep linux sorta sandboxed |
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| 06:09.19 | TheCount | Guerin: ah, c'mon. you're deliberate try to be right. life is more quantum than that. |
| 06:09.20 | Gnea | Guerin: When you call me a 'fucking idiot', you are saying that you hate me. |
| 06:09.21 | zorten | -_- I have spent hours trying to find a simple solution to Maya PLE 7.0 install in wine. Nothing. I have no access to windows machines, so I can't test. Any one know if you can install on windows and copy over? |
| 06:09.21 | fah | fooz: http://www.gadgetmadness.com/archives/20050815-run_windows_95_linux_on_your_psp.php |
| 06:09.24 | ke6isf | TheCount: That, and it's in the archives - and twiki routes to ewiki. |
| 06:09.35 | fooz | however, people can already run untrusted binaries on the PSP |
| 06:09.39 | bonz | Gnea: mine is :) |
| 06:09.39 | SlayerXP | earlier, I decided to gain complete mastery of grub and serial output. |
| 06:09.42 | bonz | I dontr use stuff I hate. |
| 06:09.44 | bob2 | zorten: what does appdb.codeweavers.com say? |
| 06:09.49 | SlayerXP | 5 minutes later I was stuck for something to do |
| 06:09.51 | Guerin | Gnea: hah |
| 06:09.55 | TheCount | fooz: had a look at the gp2x? |
| 06:09.57 | fooz | i have a friend with an SNES emulator, and a UMD emulator (I guess for pirating PSP games) on his |
| 06:10.11 | fooz | TheCount, i don't think it's powerful enough |
| 06:10.28 | TheCount | fooz: yeah, that's my problem with it as well *sigh* we'll have to see. |
| 06:10.34 | ke6isf | Is oregonstate.edu not working tonight? |
| 06:10.38 | bonz | fooz: lucky you having a friend :) |
| 06:10.42 | TheCount | fooz: if the Fellow implementation works out, I'm game. |
| 06:10.48 | Gnea | Guerin: or am I wrong? And if I am wrong, are you intelligent enough to provide a detailed description that doesn't involved hurdling insults at me that explains your point of view? :) |
| 06:10.48 | Guerin | TheCount: i'm not trying to be right. I'm valuing established definition. |
| 06:10.55 | fooz | there's lots of great handhelds, linux and otherwise -- the problems with the linux ones are they're too weak, and the problems with the non-linux ones are they don't run linux :/ |
| 06:11.15 | Guerin | Gnea: your initial question is a troll. |
| 06:11.20 | fah | running linux for the sake of running linux is stupid |
| 06:11.20 | setuid_w00t | Whoever decided to redirect #knoppix users to #knoppix when the /join #debian needs a beating with a cluebat. Why you ask? Well what do debian users do when their debian install won't boot? Answer: they boot knoppix and try to join #debian. |
| 06:11.34 | TheCount | Guerin: there's no such thing as 'established definition' to me. it can be proven that our senses are deciving us, or at least giving us a distorted view of our surroundings. |
| 06:11.38 | setuid_w00t | replace first #knoppix with knoppix |
| 06:11.39 | fooz | Axims can sorta run linux |
| 06:11.50 | fooz | it's sorta a never-finished port |
| 06:11.53 | konfuzed | ok then final download and installing |
| 06:11.54 | fah | setuid_w00t : i agree |
| 06:11.56 | TheCount | Guerin: as such, we can't talk about what's real, only what SEEMS real to us. which might differ COMPLETELY from person to person. |
| 06:11.56 | Dewi | TheCount: you just insulted my mother! |
| 06:11.57 | fooz | which is unfortunate, axims are l33t handhelds |
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| 06:12.06 | Gnea | Guerin: my intial question? which one? the first question directed toward you within the past 15 minutes or another? |
| 06:12.17 | Guerin | TheCount: ok. So you're someone with whom it's impossible to have a non-metaphysical discussion. |
| 06:12.27 | zorten | almost, if it wasn't for the fact they need a hard reset when you shut it down... |
| 06:12.27 | DaBlade | Hello. I'm trying to compile gaim-otr. I get this error with ./configure: |
| 06:12.28 | TheCount | Guerin: see the (apparent) conflict between 'western' and 'eastern' civilization, or even fundamentalis islamic countries. |
| 06:12.31 | DaBlade | checking for glib-2.0 >= 2.4 gtk+-2.0 >= 2.4 gaim >= 1.0... configure: error: glib |
| 06:12.31 | DaBlade | ./configure: line 19502: exit: gtk: numeric argument required |
| 06:12.37 | Guerin | Gnea> Guerin: so you're saying that your use of free software and computers in general |
| 06:12.37 | ke6isf | setuid_w00t: The difference is that we don't need help with knoppix, we need help with debian. People who would use knoppix for other than getting debian help should be there. Plain and simple. |
| 06:12.39 | DaBlade | Could someone please help? |
| 06:12.40 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:12.42 | fooz | fah, it's not about running linux, it's about running what I want |
| 06:12.48 | bob2 | DaBlade: sudo apt-get build-dep gaim |
| 06:12.53 | DaBlade | ok |
| 06:12.54 | Guerin | hah |
| 06:12.57 | Dewi | Guerin: he's impossible to discuss with - but is he *really* impossible to discuss with? :P |
| 06:13.01 | Gnea | Guerin: agreed. :) |
| 06:13.04 | TheCount | Guerin: no, I'm not. I'm someone with whom it is impossible to have a discussion at all, if you insist on being fundamentalistic during it. |
| 06:13.13 | DaBlade | E: Unable to find a source package for gaim |
| 06:13.18 | ke6isf | !wayc DaBlade |
| 06:13.22 | dpkg | DaBlade: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 06:13.31 | fooz | fah, if there was a linux port, that means the hardware details are all known fairly well -- that means I can write a PSP replacement OS, or write native executing games, or port BSD.. |
| 06:13.35 | TheCount | Guerin: I can accept that you have a point of view which clashes with mine without any problems. |
| 06:13.36 | DaBlade | gaim-otr isn't in the repos |
| 06:13.43 | bonz | Dewi: yes, most definitely |
| 06:13.57 | mnuhmnuh | 2 |
| 06:13.57 | TheCount | Guerin: but I will NOT accept that mine is completely without any validity as all. |
| 06:14.02 | Dewi | bonz: maybe it's just The Demon telling you that |
| 06:14.03 | TheCount | s/ as / at / |
| 06:14.10 | fooz | gp2x might be good.. hrm |
| 06:14.26 | Gnea | TheCount: See, I can accept that as well, and I'm from a 'western' civilization. In fact, there are many things about 'eastern' civilization that I find appealing. |
| 06:14.30 | ke6isf | !info gaim-otr sarge |
| 06:14.42 | bonz | Dewi: I dont use freebsd if I can avoid it :) |
| 06:14.51 | Dewi | TheCount: if your assertion is only valid from your unique and "independant" viewpoint, why bother us by declaring it? |
| 06:14.51 | fah | fooz : when you want homebrew: gpx2, if you want commercial games: psp or Nintendo Ds |
| 06:15.03 | fooz | fah, what if I want both? btw, there's plenty of homebrew for PSP... |
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| 06:15.36 | ke6isf | DaBlade: It's in sarge. What version of Debian are you using? |
| 06:15.38 | bonz | Dewi: probably because it does bother you by it being declared |
| 06:15.39 | fooz | like I said, there's bochs, an SNES emulator, various PSP hacking tools, internet related apps, and of course, games |
| 06:15.40 | TheCount | Gnea: yupp, because you've been culturaly conditioned to find them appaling *shrug* does make them so in your mind, so it's real for you. doesn't have to be real the same way to me. if you can accept that point of view without frowning, you've come a long way ;) |
| 06:15.42 | Gnea | Supaplex: dude, have you seen the latest grep bug? |
| 06:15.53 | fah | fooz: linux allready runs on the ds |
| 06:16.11 | fooz | fah, how well? |
| 06:16.20 | Dewi | TheCount: if your point of view cannot be contradicted, then what meaning is there in agreement? or listening to you at all? |
| 06:16.26 | fooz | if it's as functional as xbox linux, PS2 linux or GP2x linux, I'd be surprised |
| 06:16.35 | TheCount | Dewi: I only counter the rejection of it. i.e. I stand up for what I believe in. |
| 06:16.47 | zorten | Thansk all for the help messages ^_^ I am beat. Night Night |
| 06:17.05 | Dewi | TheCount: then you'll continue believing what you believe forever. |
| 06:17.16 | fah | apparently, they got it to boot and to run a shell |
| 06:17.23 | fooz | hmm, gp2x looks tempting.. wonder if it has a memory management unit |
| 06:17.55 | fooz | yay, it does. |
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| 06:17.58 | bonz | Dewi: thats why it's pointless arguing with somebody who refuses too accept they might be wrong :) |
| 06:18.01 | TheCount | Dewi: not necessarily. if you help me finding flaws in my reasoning, or if my showing an interest enlightens me in any way at all, I gain from it. |
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| 06:18.43 | TheCount | I freely admit when I'm wrong, which is often enough ;) |
| 06:18.51 | Dewi | TheCount: to help you find a flaw is to reject your assertion... so rejection itself is not your enemy (except perhaps where it occurs on its own without justification) |
| 06:19.25 | TheCount | but "free software isn't proprietary, period" simply isn't that easy to me. it's a neither black nor white subject to me, and I insist on being allowed to see it that way :) |
| 06:19.39 | fah | Dewi , TheCount : now you are arguing how to argue ? |
| 06:19.46 | TheCount | Dewi: exactly. |
| 06:20.05 | Dewi | TheCount: personally I think Guerin was running with some different assumptions to us. And he was right, in a particular domain. Probably not the domain we were in though. |
| 06:20.11 | Dewi | :P |
| 06:20.15 | Dewi | anyway, I've got code to fix. |
| 06:20.16 | TheCount | Dewi: exactly. |
| 06:20.18 | Dewi | see you guys around. |
| 06:20.35 | TheCount | Dewi: have fun and success :) |
| 06:21.01 | bonz | thats why I like debian, it's idea of whats proprietry/free sits better with me then lots of other dists |
| 06:21.29 | fooz | hmm.. thing about PSP is it could forseeably run Quake 3.. gp2x never will be able to :) |
| 06:22.09 | fah | fooz: quake3 on psp ?! |
| 06:22.17 | fooz | quake 3 is GPL |
| 06:22.33 | fah | fooz: it barely runs on my desktop-system... |
| 06:22.39 | fooz | that's pretty sad |
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| 06:22.50 | bonz | but who cares about quake3? |
| 06:22.53 | TheCount | I hope they'll be unthrottling it some time soon |
| 06:22.55 | fooz | quake3 players, obviously |
| 06:23.16 | fah | the big question is: who wants to play q3 without a mouse ? |
| 06:23.33 | bonz | joystick? |
| 06:23.45 | fah | omg, i finally got fglrx to work ! |
| 06:24.07 | fah | bonz : ever played a fps with a joystick ? its unplayable |
| 06:24.18 | fooz | console players seem to do it |
| 06:24.22 | fooz | halo, socom, etc |
| 06:24.57 | TheCount | btw .. interesting thought experiment .. is an orange orange? or is it truly blue, as it absorbes every light but reflects the orange components? depending on your point of view, some things are either this, or that - or this and that. or neither this nor that. |
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| 06:25.19 | Supaplex | humm, bug #329126. cute. |
| 06:25.20 | fooz | damn, and gp2x has no wireless networking |
| 06:25.34 | fah | fooz: and they all feel spongy |
| 06:26.07 | j4v4m4n | ./autogen.sh: line 8: aclocal: command not found ; which package to install ? |
| 06:26.16 | jm_ | j4v4m4n: /msg dpkg search |
| 06:26.31 | Gnea | TheCount: actually I grew up *NOT* finding anyone in other countries appalling. Certain dictators bent upon wiping out massive amounts of people do tend to make me sick. What I *have* learned is that different groups of people living in different environments, hemispheres and climates tend to want to judge others for mistakes defined and/or translated as being 'wrong' in some ancient doctrine. |
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| 06:27.00 | blana | hi all |
| 06:27.02 | blana | ^^ |
| 06:27.12 | Gnea | TheCount: of course that 'ancient doctrine' tends to differ from area to area. :) |
| 06:27.26 | TheCount | Gnea: and 'learning' differes from person to person ;) |
| 06:27.37 | blana | does anyone know, if theres a way to tell a programm that you have a faster cpu than you really have? sry for bad english ;) |
| 06:27.44 | TheCount | Gnea: I judge myself as well *sigh* |
| 06:27.46 | Gnea | TheCount: if one is alive, then one is learning |
| 06:27.51 | blana | i hope you can understand me (: |
| 06:28.04 | fah | blana: yes |
| 06:28.05 | TheCount | blana: sure - and #debian.de is alive as well ;) |
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| 06:28.23 | blana | TheCount, ;) |
| 06:28.23 | zOrK | you should see PC 99 |
| 06:28.24 | TheCount | blana: .. the answer on your question depends on who the program decides how fast your cpu is. |
| 06:28.44 | fooz | anyone know how big the average full-length divx movie rip is? just curious |
| 06:28.47 | TheCount | s/who/how/ |
| 06:28.47 | ke6isf | OK, if I'm getting a download/save option for a perl script, what apache module do I need to install? |
| 06:29.11 | SlayerXP | !confuse ke6isf |
| 06:29.12 | dpkg | Yes, how was their pineapple tomorrow, ke6isf? pants of the monarchy of swaziland with extra cheese |
| 06:29.13 | Eclipser | I have a lot of lines of text which start with some spaces (maybe), a number and a dot then a space and the rest of the string which I want to parse out |
| 06:29.17 | jm_ | fooz: it depends on how long the movie is, but traditionally you seem them ripped on 1 or 2 CD-s |
| 06:29.24 | TheCount | fooz: depends on codec & bitrate used. two cds for two hours gives fair quality most of the time. one cd might be acceptable as well. |
| 06:29.28 | Gnea | TheCount: yeah, I tend to do the same as well - i suppose it's my "self-served sanity check" |
| 06:29.32 | chealer | keikoz: please kill your greetings scripts |
| 06:29.34 | fooz | how many megs though? like under 1GB? |
| 06:29.35 | Dewi | ke6isf: you probably just need to configure CGI. |
| 06:29.38 | Eclipser | how could I do this? :) I think awk is what I'm looking for but I can't understand a single thing about the manpages.... |
| 06:29.44 | fooz | just curious how many 1GB SD cards you'd need to use the gp2x as a movie player |
| 06:29.46 | Dewi | ke6isf: I don't think it's in a separate module |
| 06:29.56 | fooz | its screen is 320x200 but it has a scaler, says it'll play any size movie |
| 06:30.10 | jm_ | 1CD = 700MB, 1GB would give you quite good quality usually |
| 06:30.12 | ke6isf | Dewi: So it's in the base apache package then? |
| 06:30.28 | Dewi | ke6isf: I mean it's in mod_cgi, but I think you're likely to find it's already mostly installed |
| 06:30.37 | fooz | thanks |
| 06:30.40 | keikoz | chealer it is not a script: i just say hi to everybody in all chans; that's a pbl ? |
| 06:30.52 | fooz | hmmm i can't decide.. there any other gadgets in similar vein? :) |
| 06:30.52 | Dewi | or do I mean mod_perl? |
| 06:30.59 | TheCount | Eclipser: if you use perl or perl comliant regular expressions then it should match with "^\s*(\d+)\. (.*)$" |
| 06:30.59 | TraceGreen | hello, if i know an ip address, how can i know its URL, i mean something dns? |
| 06:31.17 | TheCount | fooz: one card per movie |
| 06:31.22 | SlayerXP | TraceGreen: host <ip address> |
| 06:31.23 | chealer | keikoz: eh, ok... but then consider only saying it once, and in the channel's language |
| 06:31.35 | keikoz | arf yes |
| 06:31.36 | SlayerXP | TraceGreen: though it's unlikley to be of any use, even if it works |
| 06:31.48 | keikoz | sleept to less probably :p |
| 06:32.33 | chealer | keikoz: coffee is always the solution |
| 06:32.39 | Dewi | ke6isf: are you serving out of a /cgi-bin/ ? |
| 06:32.43 | ke6isf | Dewi: Yeah. |
| 06:32.45 | mnuhmnuh | tr: whois <ip address> |
| 06:33.02 | TraceGreen | SlayerXP, yeah, when i use ping, i know google's ip is: 64.233.167.147, but when i know 64.233.167.147, how can i know it is google? |
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| 06:33.08 | Dewi | ke6isf: do you have Options ExecCGI on that directory? |
| 06:33.08 | ke6isf | Dewi: Just put a general ExecCGI into my conf file, but no luck. |
| 06:33.15 | Supaplex | Gnea: grep bug? I had issues with awk under fakeroot, but I cleared that up just before I confirmed the bug in bts. |
| 06:33.25 | Dewi | ke6isf: I haven't used CGI in years |
| 06:33.30 | SlayerXP | TraceGreen: I already said, you type "host <ip address>" |
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| 06:33.56 | Dewi | ke6isf: are you using apache2, with mods-available and mods-enalbed directories? |
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| 06:34.00 | ke6isf | Dewi: ...turns out that it's not an overall system thing. |
| 06:34.06 | ke6isf | Dewi: No, I'm using Apache 1.3, out of apt. |
| 06:34.11 | vladuz976 | anybody know how to fix the firefox "choose user profile nuisance? |
| 06:34.26 | Dewi | ke6isf: you probably need a LoadModule for mod_cgi |
| 06:34.32 | Dewi | ke6isf: somewhere in there |
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| 06:34.49 | TraceGreen | SlayerXP, host 64.233.167.147, result is :Host 147.167.233.64.in-addr.arpa not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 06:34.50 | Supaplex | vladuz976: nuke the lock file, .mozilla/firefox/lock or somesuch. (whcn FF is closed and no processes are running) |
| 06:35.03 | SlayerXP | "TraceGreen: though it's unlikley to be of any use, even if it works" |
| 06:35.11 | j4v4m4n | vladuz976: rm -rf ~/.mozilla/firefox :-) |
| 06:35.20 | SlayerXP | TraceGreen: try reading what I tell you. |
| 06:35.28 | Supaplex | naughty j4v4m4n :P |
| 06:35.31 | TraceGreen | SlayerXP, thanks. sorry. |
| 06:35.32 | vladuz976 | j4v4m4n: does that remove bookmarks and etc? |
| 06:35.40 | Supaplex | vladuz976: duh! |
| 06:35.47 | Dewi | vladuz976: if it's asking you to choose another user profile, maybe yours is already in use |
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| 06:35.52 | Dewi | vladuz976: look for dead firefox processes |
| 06:35.58 | vladuz976 | Dewi: it's not |
| 06:36.04 | TraceGreen | SlayerXP, so, do you know any kind such tools to give me some info about an ip? |
| 06:36.05 | malv | http://www.cs.ucr.edu/~macchiea/debian.html too much magenta? |
| 06:36.15 | vladuz976 | Dewi: how you look for dead processes? |
| 06:36.18 | SlayerXP | TraceGreen: try whois |
| 06:36.19 | j4v4m4n | vladuz976: export your bookmarks to a file in home directory and import it |
| 06:36.23 | Dewi | vladuz976: ps |
| 06:36.30 | Dewi | vladuz976: or pgrep |
| 06:36.31 | TheCount | Gnea: if you're interested in this kind of stuff on a different level, you should check out the book I mentioned ;) |
| 06:36.35 | Dewi | vladuz976: pgrep firefox |
| 06:36.44 | vladuz976 | Dewi: that shows no firefox processes |
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| 06:36.51 | ke6isf | Dewi: No, it's in the modules.conf file. |
| 06:36.59 | mnuhmnuh | TraceGreen: look for Sam Spade website. |
| 06:37.17 | j4v4m4n | Dewi: It is a nuisance which I get some times and overcome by rm -rf medicine :-) |
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| 06:37.38 | Supaplex | vladuz976: is ~/.mozilla/firefox/lock there? |
| 06:37.59 | vladuz976 | Supaplex: no |
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| 06:38.32 | j4v4m4n | jm_: automake versions are making real pain for me ;-( |
| 06:38.37 | Supaplex | 1m, I'll start x and check |
| 06:39.42 | jm_ | j4v4m4n: just use the version they say works |
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| 06:40.06 | ke6isf | Dewi: Just explicitly set ExecCGI to the directory this is in, no dice. |
| 06:40.31 | j4v4m4n | jm_: I'm trying different combinations of versions |
| 06:40.56 | Supaplex | j4v4m4n: oh yea, there's a random directory name for the profile to. find ~/.mozilla/firefox -name lock -ls |
| 06:42.30 | Supaplex | j4v4m4n: nm that |
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| 06:42.37 | Dewi | ke6isf: you're restarting apache, right? |
| 06:42.40 | Supaplex | vladkao: ^^ up a few lines |
| 06:42.42 | ke6isf | Dewi: Of course. |
| 06:42.43 | j4v4m4n | Supaplex: try changing ~/.mozilla/firefox/profiles.ini |
| 06:42.50 | fooz | ahh.. post on gp2x.com says that the firmware isn't open source |
| 06:42.51 | k0walski | Is there a good howto anywhere for setting up a wireless card on debian? |
| 06:42.56 | ke6isf | Dewi: Granted it's through apachectl. Lemme try through init.d... |
| 06:43.01 | Dewi | ke6isf: what's the file extension? |
| 06:43.07 | Dewi | (of your script) |
| 06:43.39 | ke6isf | Dewi: .cgi |
| 06:44.06 | Dewi | ke6isf: you shouldn't need to in a cgi-bin, apparently, but: AddHandler cgi-script .cgi |
| 06:44.06 | grendal_prime | whats the quickest way to create an entry into the /etc/initr.d/ dir so i can get like...x11vnc to fire up on boot? |
| 06:44.26 | grendal_prime | i have this one user i have to show her everything...on screen |
| 06:44.27 | Supaplex | grendal_prime: update-rc.d |
| 06:44.35 | grendal_prime | no shit |
| 06:44.39 | grendal_prime | there is an app called that? |
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| 06:44.46 | Supaplex | grendal_prime: oh then, good luck with that attitude. |
| 06:45.01 | ke6isf | Dewi: Nope. |
| 06:45.08 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 06:45.30 | Dewi | ke6isf: sorry, like I say, it's been years since I did it |
| 06:46.02 | grendal_prime | im not ususally a help desk type of person...but im doing more of it these days...its less demeaning to the customer if i can say...Do it this way and see how it works... |
| 06:46.16 | grendal_prime | gives them less opportunity to look stupid |
| 06:46.21 | grendal_prime | :-} |
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| 06:46.46 | grendal_prime | whats wrong with my attitude ? |
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| 06:47.07 | j4v4m4n | jm_:even after removing automake1.4 and installing automake1.9 the link at /usr/bin point to 1.4 so I've to manually link the new versions |
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| 06:47.19 | ke6isf | Dewi: No worries, I'll figure it out. |
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| 06:48.21 | TheCount | grendal_prime: you might want to start it via xsession, thou |
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| 06:48.50 | ke6isf | Dewi: Perhaps a permissions problem? |
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| 06:49.05 | Supaplex | grendal_prime: the 'no shit' remark turns me off offering help. it's like biting the hand that feeds you. anyhow, I was going to add, if it's something that runs in X, init.d isn't the right place to start it. |
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| 06:49.38 | TheCount | Supaplex: I think you got the 'no shit' party wrong ;) |
| 06:49.40 | rulo0402 | saludos a todos |
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| 06:49.41 | liable | me thinks you misinterpreted that remark |
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| 06:49.54 | rulo0402 | hi |
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| 06:49.58 | Supaplex | if you say so. *shrug* |
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| 06:50.07 | rulo0402 | my name is raul |
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| 06:50.13 | rulo0402 | i am from mexico |
| 06:50.20 | jm_ | j4v4m4n: anything interesting about it in usr/share/doc/automake<x.y>/README.Debian |
| 06:50.21 | grendal_prime | Supaplex, sorry about that.... |
| 06:50.21 | rulo0402 | i live in tuxtla gutierrez chiapas |
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| 06:50.36 | grendal_prime | didnt mean it...well...i was kicking myself basically not you |
| 06:50.37 | TheCount | rulo0402: can happen to anyone :) |
| 06:50.40 | ke6isf | rulo0402: How can we help you? |
| 06:50.44 | Supaplex | k :) |
| 06:50.45 | liable | rulo0402: thats nice. have a question about debian? |
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| 06:50.49 | grendal_prime | i appreciate the help |
| 06:50.55 | Dewi | has anyone noticed how logging out of gnome-session running against a vnc Xserver leaves a bunch of processes behind? bonobo, gconf, as well as the vnc x server itself? Is there some way to "Correctly" shut it all down? |
| 06:51.05 | rulo0402 | sorry |
| 06:51.15 | grendal_prime | hell ill even may any ugly sister if ya want me to |
| 06:51.20 | rulo0402 | i dont speak English very good |
| 06:51.20 | grendal_prime | marry that is |
| 06:51.26 | rulo0402 | sorry |
| 06:51.28 | TheCount | !es |
| 06:51.28 | ke6isf | !es |
| 06:51.29 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 06:51.49 | rulo0402 | alguien que hable español |
| 06:52.02 | grendal_prime | Supaplex, so basiaclly what i want to do should not be done using update-rc.d ? |
| 06:52.02 | TheCount | rulo0402: not here, please :) |
| 06:52.04 | zOrK | rulo0402, just join #debian-es |
| 06:52.09 | grendal_prime | is that what your telling me? |
| 06:52.10 | ke6isf | rulo0402: No habla espanol aqui. /join #debian-es, por favor. Gracias. |
| 06:52.24 | zOrK | umm |
| 06:52.29 | rulo0402 | que pex |
| 06:52.35 | rulo0402 | pues aqui informando |
| 06:52.43 | rulo0402 | de la nueva distro |
| 06:52.44 | loxley_ | bah.. |
| 06:52.46 | rulo0402 | que salda de guadalinex |
| 06:52.47 | Dewi | ... |
| 06:52.48 | Supaplex | grendal_prime: heh. not neccessary. iirc, you can put commands in .xinitrc to start when X loads. If it needs to have access to the X display, update-rc.d isn't the best approach. |
| 06:52.55 | ke6isf | !tell rulo0402 -about es |
| 06:53.22 | TheCount | rulo0402: you don't get it? NO HABLA ESPANOL AQUI! |
| 06:53.22 | zOrK | !tell zOrK -about es |
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| 06:53.22 | liable | rulo0402: english here, if you want to speak spanish, /j #debian-es |
| 06:53.23 | ke6isf | !tell zOrK -about msg the bot |
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| 06:54.01 | grendal_prime | good point Supaplex |
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| 06:54.36 | Supaplex | and I assume you'll need to autologin somehow to X. I've never bothred with that part :) |
| 06:54.44 | grendal_prime | hadnt thought about it that way...makes much more sence to put it there ...seeing as how it is a major pain to get the vnc server to dish out the kdm screen anyway |
| 06:54.57 | Puiu | I installed selinux with apt-get then I uninstalled it, now when I try to boot I get a kernel panic...what to do? |
| 06:55.14 | grendal_prime | ewwww |
| 06:55.40 | grendal_prime | dude..se linux is desigen to keep people from getting your data by yanking and plugging the drive |
| 06:55.55 | grendal_prime | into another machine...you may be pretty well screwed |
| 06:55.55 | Puiu | I did apt-get install selinux-policy*; then I changed my mind after and did apt-get remove selinux-policy |
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| 06:56.12 | Supaplex | grendal_prime: actually, maybe a login manager can run it to, then hand it off to the wm after you authenticate. |
| 06:56.15 | grendal_prime | ya but if memory serves correct it encrypts the drive |
| 06:56.25 | Supaplex | rarely |
| 06:56.26 | Puiu | no, it doesn't do that |
| 06:56.44 | atrus | Supaplex / grendal_prime: gdm has an "auto-login after N seconds" feature |
| 06:56.44 | Supaplex | you can go through the trouble to do that, but it's not per default. |
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| 06:57.40 | Supaplex | I think he wants vnc server to run w/the login manager so he can login remotely. that might kill vnc server while it moves to the wm, or it'll stay running as root. |
| 06:57.46 | bonz | dpkg --purge gdm would be my prefferred option :) |
| 06:57.54 | Supaplex | bonz: hehe :) |
| 06:58.07 | grendal_prime | really i thought....(SE just did it that way..ive talked to alot of people that were under the impression they needed military grade security(noids mostly) and installed that later they messed up the machine tried to yank and plug the drive in..no dice on their data) |
| 06:59.11 | grendal_prime | ya well mine to..but ive had a problem with all the folks at this shop |
| 06:59.23 | loxley_ | Supaplex: use sleep command to get past that wm manager kills the vnc server |
| 06:59.34 | grendal_prime | were talking people that have to have little clicky dropdowns and whatnot.. |
| 06:59.50 | bonz | mm I run vncserver across multiple machines ok, I just pass -passwd file with password in it too log it in from whichever client on whichever machine |
| 07:00.22 | bonz | terrific given the machine running the server has a stuffed keyboard, mouse & screen |
| 07:00.25 | grendal_prime | i installed very simple desktops on these machines..and they didnt understand what login and password ment if the rest of the screen was black |
| 07:01.23 | grendal_prime | so...i put on xdm...i think..that bothered them cause they couldnt see little * when they typed in there password |
| 07:01.39 | grendal_prime | i finally gave in ..(ok ill put kde on the damn things) |
| 07:01.45 | loxley_ | grendal_prime: dude, don't your compant have an it-policy??? |
| 07:01.46 | loxley_ | :) |
| 07:01.55 | loxley_ | s/compant/comapny |
| 07:01.58 | loxley_ | gahh! |
| 07:02.01 | loxley_ | company |
| 07:02.14 | grendal_prime | these are private jobs |
| 07:02.22 | grendal_prime | nothing to do with my day to day server work |
| 07:02.23 | loxley_ | grendal_prime: ok :) |
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| 07:02.43 | grendal_prime | small cash registers and whatnots |
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| 07:03.07 | grendal_prime | im currious though...what sort of it-policy would help out with this problem... |
| 07:03.29 | grendal_prime | i mean...if they dont like it they dont like it...the idea is to keep them happy |
| 07:03.29 | loxley_ | grendal_prime: to understand the importance of secure passwords, perhaps.. for example :) |
| 07:04.23 | loxley_ | grendal_prime: oh, i think i misread you.. they DIDn't see the *.. okok, my mistake :) |
| 07:04.32 | grendal_prime | these people just dont like the LOOK of it and its enough to warrent a call |
| 07:04.52 | grendal_prime | ya ya..you know the echoed * that lets them know they typed something |
| 07:04.53 | TheCount | grendal_prime: .. which should be enough to warrant billing them for it ;) |
| 07:05.04 | loxley_ | TheCount: true :) |
| 07:05.56 | grendal_prime | they get billed but alot of these jobs..are done on a contract basis. So the more greif i save..the more money i save |
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| 07:06.40 | grendal_prime | its just alot easyer to long in ...and SHOW them on screen...they cant say..well how was i supposed to know that...the next time it happens. |
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| 07:09.46 | loxley_ | grendal_prime: yes, i can see the use of vnc for you :) |
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| 07:11.36 | clojster | is there any console client for skype? |
| 07:12.02 | SlayerXP | clojster: surely skype would be the people to ask? |
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| 07:12.22 | Puiu | clojster: no |
| 07:12.38 | clojster | SlayerXP: of course, but someone here could know it |
| 07:12.46 | clojster | Puiu: thanks |
| 07:13.17 | clojster | something like center ICQ would be nice though :) |
| 07:13.33 | clojster | *CenterICQ |
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| 07:20.18 | rapsys | Hy |
| 07:20.27 | [11aa] | Hello |
| 07:20.39 | rapsys | I am looking about how build a debian source repository ? |
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| 07:21.09 | rapsys | I fount how generate the binary and generate the mirror for them, but I am locked for source |
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| 07:21.22 | rapsys | what is the debuild command ? |
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| 07:21.44 | rapsys | (I already looked in debian mantainer guide, but nothing about it) |
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| 07:22.18 | streuner | dpkg, find debuild |
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| 07:22.28 | TheCount | rapsys: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
| 07:22.41 | rapsys | I already looked |
| 07:22.58 | rapsys | but how to put the .dsc and .orig.gz ??? |
| 07:23.10 | Puiu | If I tank my sysytem...Is there a way to boot a knoppix disc and run commands for my system?... like apt-get --purge |
| 07:23.48 | TheCount | Puiu: yes. boot it, mount the filesystem as it is when booting natively, do a chroot to the directory where you mounted it - there you go. |
| 07:23.51 | [11aa] | A newbie question If i have a nvidia card g4000pro what do i select "nv" is the only selection that looks similar... |
| 07:23.57 | Puiu | When I try to boot in recovery mode or not I get kernel panic. |
| 07:23.57 | streuner | Puiu: via 'chroot' |
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| 07:24.23 | Puiu | TheCount: What would the chroot command look like? |
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| 07:24.32 | bibe | Puiu : before chrooting, do a 'mount -t proc -o bind /proc /path/to/<debian_root>/proc' |
| 07:24.34 | TheCount | Puiu: chroot /directory |
| 07:25.08 | widrone | chroot /mnt/fookedroot /bin/bash , maybe? |
| 07:25.24 | TheCount | Puiu: bibe is right - you might want to mount everything from your original /etc/fstab |
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| 07:25.46 | TheCount | rapsys: uh, as files? |
| 07:26.06 | widrone | Puiu: then 'mount -a' inside the chrooted enviroment. |
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| 07:26.32 | Puiu | So once knoppix boots type.. |
| 07:26.51 | Puiu | mount -t proc -o bind /proc /dev/hda2/proc |
| 07:26.57 | Puiu | chroot /dev/hda2 |
| 07:26.57 | Puiu | ? |
| 07:27.08 | Puiu | Then I am set? |
| 07:27.17 | widrone | Puiu: You have to mount the debian root first, but yes. |
| 07:27.25 | SlayerXP | errm no |
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| 07:27.38 | streuner | TheCount: mount /dev/foo /debian and chroot /debian is _enough_ |
| 07:27.51 | Puiu | I need to purge selinux...because it is causing a kernel panic when I boot. |
| 07:28.16 | Puiu | So I just want to apt-get --purge..but I can't get into my system because of the kernel panic...doesn't matter if I use recovery or not. |
| 07:28.34 | Puiu | hmm |
| 07:28.40 | bibe | Puiu : is /dev/hda2 your debian root? |
| 07:28.43 | Puiu | Like 5 different people told me different methods. |
| 07:28.48 | Puiu | bibe: yes |
| 07:28.58 | widrone | !selinux |
| 07:28.58 | dpkg | hmm... selinux is the NSA's port to Linux of the FLASK security Architectur, called Security Enhanced Linux. |
| 07:29.08 | bibe | Puiu : so boot knoppix, open a terminal and do a 'sudo -s' |
| 07:29.34 | widrone | dpkg: You need to update your factiod on selinux to add, Its a hell to remove. |
| 07:30.00 | bibe | Puiu : then, 'mkdir /mnt/hda2; mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/hda2; mount -t proc -o bind /proc /mnt/hda2/proc; chroot /mnt/hda2 /bin/bash' |
| 07:30.24 | lethias | has there been any complaints of debian locking up in gnome. |
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| 07:30.41 | bibe | Puiu : then you will be chrooted into your debian root. issue a 'mount -a' and you will be ok. |
| 07:30.47 | widrone | Puiu: The general outline is mount the partition, chroot into it, purge the selinux, pray it works, reboot. |
| 07:31.22 | widrone | Puiu: But to get the chroot working properly you need proc and other filesystems mounted. |
| 07:31.25 | streuner | widrone: http://www.infobot.org/guide-0.43.x.html |
| 07:31.33 | SimonRaven | remount / rw first, then mount -a |
| 07:31.45 | bibe | will wget (from sarge) support a 2,105,305,088 bytes file? |
| 07:31.49 | streuner | another cook :-) |
| 07:31.59 | SimonRaven | ;) |
| 07:32.05 | Puiu | bibe: yes |
| 07:32.17 | Puiu | bibe: It will download fine...but it might not display the progress right. |
| 07:32.20 | nekostar | what is the minimum i need to install for a gui in gnome besides gnome-desktop or whatnot and its dependancies |
| 07:32.41 | Supaplex | how does debian automagically create the grub menu.lst? |
| 07:32.51 | fah | nekostar : the basesystem, gnome, x-window-system |
| 07:33.00 | Supaplex | or, how can I restore it, so it'll keep updating it? |
| 07:33.38 | fah | Supaplex : you destroyed your menu-lst and are trying to restore it ? |
| 07:33.44 | bibe | Puiu : thanks |
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| 07:34.26 | Supaplex | I noticed on this box it never updates it. I have to do it manually. so I gzipped it, reinstalled grub, purged and then installed grub, but no menu.lst... |
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| 07:35.17 | Supaplex | no menu.lst just prior to purging either (forgot to insert that) |
| 07:35.26 | bibe | Supaplex : it uses a few variables that are commented out (with a single #) between "## ## Start Default Options ##" and "## ## End Default Options ##" |
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| 07:36.05 | k0walski | how should I set up ndiswrapper to start at boot? |
| 07:36.40 | litage | k0walski: maybe with an appropriate init script? |
| 07:37.18 | bbrazil | Supaplex: update-grub |
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| 07:37.41 | k0walski | litage: ok lemme rephrase |
| 07:37.44 | Supaplex | bbrazil: thanks =) |
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| 07:38.01 | k0walski | litage : what file does debian-stable use for module setup? |
| 07:38.11 | linh | hi, i used to have my hard drive that boots linux in drive hdb. now it moved to somewhere else and so grub complains.. i cna't boot do you know i can fix it? |
| 07:38.20 | nick23 | do I want discover or discover1 installed? Seems like none of my modules are loading |
| 07:38.37 | lunitik | nick23: discover is newer |
| 07:38.59 | k0walski | linh: edit grub.conf to point to ur new drive then re install grub. |
| 07:39.02 | widrone | selinux |
| 07:39.03 | streuner | nick23: and you are using an official kernel? |
| 07:39.14 | linh | hmm that's it? |
| 07:39.23 | linh | okay i'll try |
| 07:39.24 | linh | thanks :) |
| 07:39.27 | k0walski | linh: I believe so. |
| 07:39.28 | widrone | !selinux |
| 07:39.28 | dpkg | methinks selinux is NSA's port to Linux of the FLASK security Architectur, called Security Enhanced Linux. Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. |
| 07:39.40 | widrone | streuner: Thanks! |
| 07:39.53 | streuner | !factinfo selinux |
| 07:39.53 | dpkg | selinux -- created by widrone <n=dronebot@bzzzt.fix.no> 1m 15s ago; it has been requested 2 times, last by widrone, 25s ago. |
| 07:40.04 | nick23 | streuner: yes 2.6.14...Everything was fine until it was suggested I remove discover1..let me try this again...one sec |
| 07:40.45 | widrone | Puiu: Tell me how it goes, Ill try to learn something. |
| 07:41.28 | widrone | streuner: I screwed up the editing of it, ended up deleting it and copy pasted a new one. |
| 07:42.17 | linh | is grub.conf and menu.lst is the same? |
| 07:42.47 | litage | k0walski: "module setup"? as in which modules to load when the system starts? |
| 07:43.02 | k0walski | litage: exactly.. |
| 07:43.08 | litage | k0walski: /etc/modules |
| 07:43.13 | litage | :) |
| 07:43.49 | k0walski | thanks. |
| 07:43.52 | bibe | linh : grub.conf should be a symlink to menu.lst, or menu.lst to grub.conf (as in gentoo) |
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| 07:45.50 | nick23 | okay I installed discover and this removed discover1 but now upon reboot, lsmod lists nothing? |
| 07:46.05 | nick23 | not even my ethernet card is picked up - it used to be using the same kernel image |
| 07:46.55 | nick23 | any suggestions? |
| 07:48.26 | widrone | bibe: Thanks for editing what 4 of us spewed into a sensible output for puiu. Parsebot award! |
| 07:48.28 | streuner | nick23: just try to run 'discover' again |
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| 07:49.33 | streuner | nick23: or simply edit /etc/modules |
| 07:49.58 | Gumby | if I am in need of an initrd will make-kpkg create one for me? |
| 07:50.01 | nick23 | streuner: I did and it listed things fine (hardware) but didn't load anything. My 3Com ethernet card won't show up |
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| 07:51.27 | streuner | nick23: 3com is well supported in linux, so add the modules to /etc/modules |
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| 07:51.43 | streuner | s/modules/module/ |
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| 07:52.37 | nick23 | well I built it not a a module but selected "Y" to the driver during kernel config, I just figured out...it used to come up before? I just installed a new discover. Do I have to build the driver as a module? |
| 07:52.55 | streuner | nick23: cat /proc/version |
| 07:52.56 | streuner | oh |
| 07:53.44 | streuner | so its NOT a debian problem, rather a 'cooker' problem... |
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| 07:53.51 | nick23 | Linux version 2.6.14 |
| 07:53.52 | streuner | ;-) |
| 07:54.07 | nick23 | yes but all I changed was removed discover1 to discover through apt-get |
| 07:54.11 | mhall | Hello all. I'm trying to write a paper for my Statistics course using LyX. But in order to do this I would like to see the proper format for a journal article / research paper. Can somebody direct me to an official source for this? |
| 07:54.42 | nick23 | streuner: how do I get it to come up like it did before? This is odd... |
| 07:54.45 | mhall | Also, when presenting large spreadsheet tables of statistical data, what is an appropriate format to use? |
| 07:55.01 | streuner | nick23: install a debian kernel |
| 07:55.14 | signius | Do any of you guys run any CRM and if so what are you running ? |
| 07:55.42 | signius | The choice of this sort of software in the repositry's seems to be basically non existant |
| 07:56.19 | nekostar | how do i mount an ntfs drive through fstab please |
| 07:56.37 | mhall | signius: I think the canonical product is OpenCRM |
| 07:56.44 | mhall | signius: opencrm.sf.net |
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| 07:57.27 | signius | OK thanks i ben looking at Sugar CRM but am interested to get other people opinions also |
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| 07:58.29 | litage | signius: sugarcrm has very limited email capabilities. not sure if that matters to you, but it killed any chance of my organization using it |
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| 07:59.05 | signius | litage What did you go with after looking at Sugar |
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| 07:59.12 | litage | signius: Horde |
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| 07:59.53 | linh | hi, i used to have my hard drive that boots linux in drive hdb. now it moved to somewhere else and so grub complains.. i cna't boot do you know i can fix it? |
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| 07:59.59 | linh | i get error 21 grub |
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| 08:00.07 | litage | signius: though one thing we had to hack was the fact that IMP (Horde's email module) doesn't support SSL/TLS. so we push all Horde/IMP email through an stunnel |
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| 08:02.12 | signius | litage I am trying to check out the demo now but he site seems very very slow |
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| 08:03.16 | litage | signius: what's the url? |
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| 08:04.46 | signius | I am not sure i have to correct url is it the ck-erp.org |
| 08:05.05 | xeneixe | alguien habla español? |
| 08:05.13 | litage | signius: i'm not sure if the horde site (horde.org) has a demo |
| 08:05.22 | litage | !es |
| 08:05.23 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 08:05.32 | xeneixe | !es |
| 08:05.32 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 08:05.34 | xeneixe | ?? |
| 08:05.42 | streuner | xeneixe: speak english |
| 08:05.43 | signius | i wasnt looking at the correct thing |
| 08:05.47 | xeneixe | nop |
| 08:06.03 | widrone | !br |
| 08:06.03 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 08:06.05 | litage | signius: give horde a try. it's great |
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| 08:08.29 | signius | i am having a look now thanks |
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| 08:09.42 | nekostar | oi! |
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| 08:09.54 | nekostar | i managed to mount my ntfs drive |
| 08:09.55 | klys | ~mozillafb |
| 08:10.07 | nekostar | but it seems my user can't access it for some reason... how can i change this? |
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| 08:10.25 | streuner | nekostar: man exports |
| 08:10.38 | nekostar | thanx streuner |
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| 08:11.05 | nekostar | hum is that part of a package? i dont have/see it |
| 08:11.18 | klys | is blootbot working? |
| 08:12.22 | klys | hey, apt |
| 08:12.26 | streuner | knusper:/# dpkg -S /usr/share/man/man5/exports.5.gz |
| 08:12.26 | streuner | nfs-kernel-server: /usr/share/man/man5/exports.5.gz |
| 08:13.09 | Supaplex | !test |
| 08:13.09 | dpkg | Sorry, supaplex, I didn't get your test. |
| 08:13.33 | klys | streuner: what's the deal |
| 08:13.36 | nekostar | hrm ok ill look for that then thanx streuner |
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| 08:15.11 | linh | does grub-install update mrb when you tell it to use new setting? |
| 08:15.50 | jm_ | linh: if you pass appropriate argument |
| 08:16.01 | [11aa] | HeyIn aptitude when upgrading and after Building dependecies tree...done there is a messege that some packages have been (kept) what does it mena...? |
| 08:16.40 | [11aa] | some did not upgrade is that it? |
| 08:17.08 | linh | it seme slike doesn't update my mbr.. what are arguments are there? grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/temp1 /dev/hdb |
| 08:17.25 | jm_ | hdb is your second hard drive |
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| 08:18.55 | nekostar | arg that things not making much sense lol |
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| 08:19.00 | klys | jm_: is there still a bot? |
| 08:19.01 | jason_ | ls |
| 08:19.03 | jason_ | oops haha |
| 08:19.05 | nekostar | lol |
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| 08:19.27 | fah | !ping |
| 08:19.27 | dpkg | pong |
| 08:19.32 | jm_ | klys: what do you mean? |
| 08:19.34 | streuner | dpkg, ping |
| 08:19.44 | klys | ok I guess dpkg is the new bot, not apt |
| 08:19.51 | streuner | dpkg> Someone already said that 7 seconds ago |
| 08:19.55 | widrone | klys: Pong! |
| 08:20.03 | [11aa] | bot |
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| 08:20.21 | jason_ | I have plugged my mouse in... I lost my synaptics touchpad because of the bios... but how can I get xfree86 to use the mouse? |
| 08:20.30 | streuner | klys: dpkg is an alternative, but it is the 'default' bot actually... |
| 08:20.35 | jason_ | I thought I had it set up right in the conf but it is not working |
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| 08:20.42 | jason_ | well, it works in console |
| 08:20.46 | klys | anyone ever heard of "mozillafb" ? |
| 08:21.02 | jason_ | but now my X won't load |
| 08:21.13 | nekostar | go root |
| 08:21.16 | jm_ | jason_: X logfile will give you details about it |
| 08:21.30 | nekostar | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 i think it was |
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| 08:22.47 | redcliffe | hi - are there any debian rescue disk iso's around? had a look on the debian site but couldn't find it and it looks like the debian installer disks don't allow you to boot a broken system any more |
| 08:22.53 | Ohzie | What's the difference between woody and sid? |
| 08:23.22 | nekostar | streuner, its just hdb1 that is the ntfs drive... and i only need to read from it atm though being able to delete it would be nice.... can i just chown the directory where i mounted it to to be aboe to access the bugger? that /etc/export tihng is not making a lot of sense to me sorry |
| 08:23.22 | streuner | Ohzie: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 08:23.25 | jm_ | redcliffe: yes they do |
| 08:23.33 | streuner | Ohzie: woody is old stable |
| 08:23.46 | redcliffe | jm_: what's the boot command string? |
| 08:23.48 | [11aa] | and gone |
| 08:24.00 | jm_ | redcliffe: read through Debian installer FAQ and/or Wiki pages |
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| 08:24.03 | redcliffe | i tried rescue root=/dev/hda6 but it didn't work on the one i had |
| 08:24.12 | Ohzie | streuner: Thanks. :] |
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| 08:24.52 | streuner | nekostar: read man exports |
| 08:24.53 | nekostar | sorry to bother about this streuner but thats my last bit of windows and i need what i have on there ... just a week or so and im winhblows free XD |
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| 08:25.02 | nekostar | yeah i did streuner |
| 08:25.07 | streuner | hm |
| 08:25.18 | Coutal | say, what was the name of the utility that let you monitor key presses and print the matching scancode? |
| 08:25.20 | Ohzie | Wow. |
| 08:25.30 | Ohzie | So does woody use 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? O_o? |
| 08:25.31 | jason_ | xev |
| 08:25.42 | Coutal | jason_: not in X |
| 08:25.57 | widrone | Ohzie: I think you can run both in it. |
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| 08:26.03 | streuner | Ohzie: why do you think you need to use a old (stable) version of debian? |
| 08:26.12 | Metrics | Coutal: xev |
| 08:26.25 | streuner | dpkg, woody |
| 08:26.26 | dpkg | hmm... woody is the previous stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge" or "sarge install guide" Security updates for woody will cease approximately one year after sarge's release(July/2006) |
| 08:26.50 | Ohzie | I *kind of* know what I'm doing with linux. |
| 08:26.52 | Coutal | Metrics: but that's for X. there was one not for X. i think it was called something like getkeys or scankeys or loadkeys |
| 08:27.03 | streuner | !d-i Ohzie |
| 08:27.04 | dpkg | Ohzie, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 08:27.04 | Ohzie | But I'm not confident enough to go dig into an unstable version of a distro I've hardly touched before. :] |
| 08:27.30 | Ohzie | I mean, come on. I'm having trouble with Fedora Core, and it's the linux designed for nubile-incarnate. |
| 08:27.34 | streuner | Ohzie: just install stable/sarge or testing/etch |
| 08:27.42 | Ohzie | =p |
| 08:28.10 | widrone | Ohzie: debootstrap a sarge and upgrade, feel the e1eetness ooze. |
| 08:28.26 | Ohzie | I don't want eliteness. |
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| 08:28.33 | Ohzie | I want a kernel that supports ndiswrapper |
| 08:28.34 | Ohzie | :p |
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| 08:28.56 | widrone | Ohzie: I was kidding, youre looking to install a debian system, yes? |
| 08:28.58 | jason_ | Ohzie what is your card? |
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| 08:29.15 | Ohzie | jason_: Linksys WMP11 revision 4 |
| 08:29.18 | sparr_ | why might i get "bash: ./fwnes: No such file or directory" when doing ./fwnes in a folder with an executable binary named fwnes? |
| 08:29.20 | Ohzie | The POS with the InterProComm chipset. |
| 08:29.24 | jason_ | is that rtl8180? |
| 08:29.31 | jason_ | the chipset? |
| 08:29.34 | blaa | hi,all |
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| 08:29.46 | Ohzie | Not sure. I know that it's "InterProComm" |
| 08:29.53 | Coutal | Ohzie: try lspci |
| 08:29.53 | Ohzie | Is InterProComm rtl8180?? :/ |
| 08:30.04 | jason_ | Ohzie google your car... I think that is a rtl8180 card |
| 08:30.15 | jason_ | there is a great driver for the card that I am using right now |
| 08:30.17 | Coutal | you should get 8180 in the device ID, afaik |
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| 08:30.32 | jason_ | it works with pretty much anything with an rtl8180 chipset which is really popular |
| 08:30.47 | vladkao | where do I find apt-key ? |
| 08:30.58 | Ohzie | lspci gives me WMP11 has three versions. 2.4 uses Prism, 2.7 uses some broadcom chipset, and 4.0 uses an InterProCom chipset |
| 08:31.14 | Ohzie | I've done research on google and the only people I've see get this thing working have used ndiswrapped |
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| 08:31.27 | Ohzie | lspci gives me "Ethernet controller: Unknown device |
| 08:31.31 | torc | is there any shortcut to apt-get to purge packages? like '-' for removing. |
| 08:31.35 | Ohzie | And then 17fe:2120 |
| 08:31.37 | jason_ | well, ndiswrapper is for debian |
| 08:31.56 | jason_ | they even have the sources you can down|load.. with great instructions on the ndis website |
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| 08:32.23 | klys | how come no package depending on gtk is compiled to use libgtk+2.0-directfb0 > |
| 08:32.25 | klys | ? |
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| 08:32.49 | Coutal | Ohzie: that's not an rtl8180. |
| 08:32.57 | Coutal | 17fe is linksys. |
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| 08:33.23 | Coutal | well, in particular, that device is listed as "WMP11v4 802.11b PCI Card" in the database. |
| 08:34.08 | Ohzie | That's why I said it's a Linksys WMP11 |
| 08:34.09 | Ohzie | X_x; |
| 08:34.21 | Ohzie | And that's EXACTLY what it is. |
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| 08:34.32 | nekostar | umask=022,gid=xxx <<<--- what does that mean? |
| 08:35.36 | huersch | hi - how 2 brows my cdrom? :-s |
| 08:35.37 | ice_1963 | kde 3.4 is running good in sid :0) |
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| 08:36.18 | HmJ | sveiki :) |
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| 08:36.43 | Ohzie | /quit |
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| 08:39.28 | sparr_ | where can i get libc5 and/or ld-linux.so.1 ? |
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| 08:39.56 | klys | sparr_: libc5-compat |
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| 08:40.11 | sparr_ | packages.debian.org here i come |
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| 08:41.11 | sparr_ | how do i get one package from stable when im running unstable? |
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| 08:42.06 | linh | hi |
| 08:42.09 | linh | i got it to work |
| 08:42.10 | linh | yuppie |
| 08:42.14 | linh | i love this |
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| 08:42.50 | rapsys | someone interested to have both php4 and php5 running as sapi under apache ? |
| 08:42.54 | k0walski | what package should I download using apt to get the perl mysql module? |
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| 08:43.10 | rapsys | without cgi nor suphp nor suexec or any workaround |
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| 08:44.06 | klys | sparr_: try this package instead: libc5 |
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| 08:44.41 | klys | rapsys: php3 too ? |
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| 08:45.05 | sparr_ | klys: yes, thats in stable, how do i get it? |
| 08:45.22 | klys | sparr_: don't you use apt? |
| 08:45.24 | jm_ | k0walski: apt-cache is your friend |
| 08:45.50 | sparr_ | klys: yes, but ive only got unstable sources, can i just add stable? |
| 08:45.50 | rapsys | klys: need to make same as I did for php4 and php5 |
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| 08:46.31 | torc | is it possible to access SMBIOS data with some userland tools? |
| 08:46.45 | sparr_ | klys: oddly, libc5 depends on ldso, and ldso depends on libc6 |
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| 08:47.49 | Gumby | is anyone here familar with how make-kpkg works with kernel images? I have run it once in a kernel source directory but I missed a few modules. If I run it again, will it pick up the modules that I missed from the first run and just build the new ones in .config? |
| 08:47.50 | klys | sparr_: apt-cache show ldso |
| 08:48.07 | sparr_ | ldso is only ins table as well |
| 08:48.12 | SimonRaven | torc: apparently. i just saw some BIOS-related tools in an apt-cache search i did |
| 08:48.13 | sparr_ | so i can just add stable sources and im good to go? |
| 08:48.41 | klys | sparr_: not true I have access to it |
| 08:48.46 | bbrazil | Gumby: just alter your .config and rerun, it'll rebuild from scratch |
| 08:48.49 | rapsys | klys: I made a repository here : http://rapsys.free.fr/debian/ |
| 08:48.59 | rapsys | just apt-get install |
| 08:49.27 | rapsys | be warned!!! x-httpd-php4 for php4 and x-httpd-php5 for php5 !!!! |
| 08:49.30 | sparr_ | klys: well, its not in unstable |
| 08:49.33 | torc | SimonRaven: /proc maybe? |
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| 08:49.44 | rapsys | do not forget to correct the .htaccess or apache config |
| 08:49.53 | SimonRaven | dunno, i haven't messed with x86 internals much, yet |
| 08:49.54 | manoisa | gagda? |
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| 08:50.17 | torc | SimonRaven: ok, thx :) |
| 08:50.18 | Gumby | bbrazil: hrm, ok. I had a look at the output after doing that and I saw absolutely no (for a quick example) CC [M] fs/afs/super.o |
| 08:50.35 | SimonRaven | torc: suggestion: apt-cache search bios ;) |
| 08:50.41 | Gumby | bbrazil: it didnt look to me that any new modules had been built |
| 08:51.07 | torc | SimonRaven: nothing useful. but google gave me a link to libsmbios, made by dell :) |
| 08:51.14 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 08:51.30 | klys | sparr_: libc6 replaces ldso |
| 08:52.27 | sparr_ | klys: ok |
| 08:52.41 | sparr_ | i added stable sources, now i can get libc5 and ldso |
| 08:53.18 | bbrazil | Gumby: thats quite odd - grep the .config for afs |
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| 08:55.26 | Gumby | bbrazil: no output |
| 08:55.34 | SimonRaven | grep -i |
| 08:55.39 | Gumby | ah yes |
| 08:55.50 | Gumby | CONFIG_AFS_FS=m |
| 08:56.20 | bbrazil | Gumby: hmm, does a normal make modules pick it up? |
| 08:56.33 | SimonRaven | suggestion, leave it as =m or =n, you don't want that built-in ;) |
| 08:56.35 | Gumby | does I just ran a make modules, it rebuilt everything |
| 08:56.41 | Gumby | or at least started to |
| 08:56.48 | Gumby | strange |
| 08:57.15 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 08:57.15 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. |
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| 08:57.38 | wireddd | i've got a package I installed thats got some broken dependancies but still works fine, how can I get apt to ignore it? |
| 08:57.53 | caphuso | it's not working fine if it has broken dependancies |
| 08:58.28 | wireddd | it just wants a slightly higher version of libstdc++6 |
| 08:58.53 | caphuso | wireddd: then recompile it against the version of libstdc++6 you have |
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| 09:01.48 | jason_ | morning SimonRaven |
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| 09:03.35 | SimonRaven | hi. do i know you? |
| 09:03.47 | TheCount | maybe. do you know yourself? |
| 09:03.59 | jason_ | encompass |
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| 09:05.54 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 09:06.46 | SimonRaven | hi :) |
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| 09:07.43 | encompass | hey mang |
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| 09:08.50 | nekostar | \o/ got it up and running !!! yay |
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| 09:17.11 | encompass | is there a wayfor me to have my synaptics touchpad and my cheepo scrollmouse work at the same time in x? |
| 09:17.16 | encompass | what do I need to change? |
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| 09:18.22 | encompass | ls |
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| 09:19.04 | poonj | which distribution uses modprobe.conf? is it the same format as modules.conf? |
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| 09:19.21 | BriajWrk | hi all |
| 09:19.35 | Gmp | hi |
| 09:20.59 | caphuso | poonj: every distro that uses a 2.6 kernel and no |
| 09:21.14 | Laibsch | encompass: I just have two InputDevices (both Corepointer which is wrong) in the ServerLayout section and it works |
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| 09:21.30 | poonj | caphuso, I don't see it in my /etc folder in debian.. |
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| 09:22.07 | Bonal_ | hey guys, i'm trying to configure xserver-xfree86 but when i go to start x, i get an error about the mouse which is |
| 09:22.21 | caphuso | poonj: if you don't have it, then the files in /etc/modprobe.d/ are used |
| 09:22.27 | poonj | okay |
| 09:24.33 | ghnsxns | how can i denie the gui to start automatically? |
| 09:24.59 | caphuso | ghnsxns: remove xdm/gdm/kdm/... |
| 09:24.59 | jm_ | ghnsxns: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 09:25.11 | Bonal_ | cannot open input device "configured mouse" xf86OpenSerial cannot open device /dev/psaux no such file or directory, generic mouse: cannot open input device |
| 09:25.24 | encompass | caphuso isn{t there a way to just declare the runlevel in the kernel? |
| 09:25.34 | Bonal_ | i have an IBM thinkpad, with the nipple mouse, and a usb mouse plugged in as well |
| 09:25.46 | caphuso | encompass: if you customize one of the runlevels to not include a DM |
| 09:26.13 | encompass | doesn{t like runlevel 4 or 2 or something do that by default? |
| 09:26.22 | caphuso | nope |
| 09:26.29 | encompass | heh |
| 09:26.31 | encompass | dang |
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| 09:27.54 | Bonal_ | any help would be appreciated. i dont understand why it can't find /dev/input/mouse or /dev/psaux |
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| 09:28.21 | jm_ | it's /dev/input/mice |
| 09:28.22 | caphuso | Bonal_: try /dev/input/mice |
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| 09:28.57 | Bonal_ | erm weird, there's no /dev/input period, or /dev/psaux |
| 09:28.58 | Bonal_ | :-S |
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| 09:29.22 | Bonal_ | i upgraded X well, i did a apt-get upgrade so i upgrade a lot of things |
| 09:29.41 | jm_ | are you using udev? |
| 09:29.52 | Bonal_ | i did have udev, but i removed it, and usbmount |
| 09:30.06 | jm_ | check your /dev for sanity |
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| 09:30.32 | Bonal_ | udev failed to install propery, which is why i removed it, and a force wouldn't work either |
| 09:30.41 | Bonal_ | hmm well /dev doesn't look right |
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| 09:30.48 | Bonal_ | there's lots of things missing |
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| 09:31.07 | Bonal_ | would a reboot after the removal of udev make any difference? |
| 09:31.29 | jm_ | probably not, but you can always regenerate device files using makedev |
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| 09:31.48 | Bonal_ | i wouldn't know how to do that |
| 09:32.01 | liable | makedev generic |
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| 09:32.17 | jm_ | cd /dev && makedev generic && makedev generic-i386 && makedev input and so on |
| 09:32.29 | caphuso | MAKEDEV |
| 09:32.35 | jm_ | both exist in Debian |
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| 09:32.49 | caphuso | hrm... zsh: command not found: makedev |
| 09:32.50 | tester | to retrieve local mail under evolution, sohuld i enter my email address as username@localhost or should i use username@machine name i have given ? |
| 09:32.53 | jm_ | ohh not anymore on my system, but it was there in Woody |
| 09:33.29 | Bonal_ | oh cool thanks |
| 09:33.41 | jm_ | so use MAKEDEV instead |
| 09:33.56 | caphuso | Bonal_: do you still have a tmpfs mounted on /dev? |
| 09:34.38 | jm_ | nope, it's not in Woody either, must be either my memory or it was some other system |
| 09:35.11 | nekostar | yay |
| 09:35.30 | nekostar | jm_, today's personal victory is mounting a ntfs drive in fstab :P |
| 09:35.57 | jm_ | nekostar: it actually worked? last time I tried to mount it it failed for me |
| 09:36.00 | nekostar | no more windows os... and soon no more ntfs... now to figure out how to share across the linux network |
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| 09:36.10 | nekostar | yeah want my fstab line for the future>? |
| 09:36.25 | nekostar | its read only so i dont corrupt it |
| 09:36.43 | jm_ | naah, I know what to put in it, but kernel didn't like NTFS on my system |
| 09:36.43 | Bonal_ | yep i still have a tmpfs |
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| 09:36.51 | caphuso | Bonal_: reboot |
| 09:36.58 | nekostar | hum.. im running the 2.6x on it |
| 09:37.09 | Bonal_ | ok, will do, no doubt will be back |
| 09:37.14 | nekostar | and had to toss in some ntfs5 lib and some other stuff |
| 09:37.26 | jm_ | unless your /dev is really fucked up in which case you won't be back :P |
| 09:37.39 | caphuso | jm_: it's "under" the tmpfs |
| 09:37.40 | liable | heh |
| 09:37.43 | jm_ | yeah I tried using captive ntfs and ntfs-ng stuff, but it also failed |
| 09:37.52 | nekostar | yeah i dont know about all that |
| 09:37.58 | jm_ | caphuso: it keeps old stuff in .static or somesuch, doesn't it? |
| 09:38.09 | nekostar | i searched synaptic for anything with ntfs in it and installed away XD |
| 09:38.21 | nekostar | there was only a few packages so it wasnt bad |
| 09:38.56 | caphuso | jm_: it used to do something like that. don't know if it still does |
| 09:38.57 | nekostar | 1.1gigs of debian in / atm... and i think i have almost everything i need in there too! :D |
| 09:39.13 | nekostar | o crap |
| 09:39.15 | Gumby | I have kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 installed. If I grab kernel-source-2.6.8 and do make oldconfig and make-kpkg kernel_image I should have no issues booting, is this correct? |
| 09:39.18 | nekostar | i just noticed i have to get up in um |
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| 09:39.30 | caphuso | jm_: there were a few complains about it looking like a root kit, IIRC |
| 09:39.33 | nekostar | less than 4 hrs... this keeps happening *sigh* |
| 09:39.35 | liable | Gumby: thought you fixed this last nite? |
| 09:39.44 | nekostar | see yall later ^_^ |
| 09:39.52 | jm_ | caphuso: heh |
| 09:40.24 | liable | hah, yes, chkrootkit complains about udev.. |
| 09:40.38 | czr | udev is a rootkit? :-) |
| 09:40.51 | Gumby | liable: I fixed the compiling issue. I went to sleep afterwards. Came home today and the kernel I built wouldnt actually boot. So I am just starting from scratch as far as building a kernel. |
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| 09:41.10 | Gumby | liable: decided to just go with oldconfig and see if that will work. |
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| 09:41.19 | liable | Gumby: oh. then i guess its back to menuconfig for you! |
| 09:41.19 | Gumby | While its compiling I figured I'd ask a few questions |
| 09:41.41 | liable | Gumby: if you just do that, you will need an initrd of course |
| 09:41.54 | Gumby | liable: yeah, I'll make that up also |
| 09:42.01 | Gumby | I ram make-kpkg with --initrd |
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| 09:43.01 | Gumby | ram/ran |
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| 09:44.47 | rmrfchik | does anybody have connect debian box to Nortell Connectivity VPN? |
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| 09:46.44 | Gumby | okee, here goes |
| 09:46.53 | phanter | hello, where can I find and how do I install the gnomebaker audio plugin? |
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| 09:47.50 | Gumby | looks good. wooho |
| 09:47.59 | Bonal__ | hmm i'm still getting the same error even though there is the device there |
| 09:48.08 | Gumby | now to compile ivtv and nvidia modules |
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| 09:48.32 | Gumby | all this work just so I can recompile a stupid module. |
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| 09:49.26 | Bonal__ | cannot open /dev/psaux no such device, and cannot open /dev/input/mice no such device - i've ran the MAKEDEV generic and MAKEDEV generic-i386 and i can see /dev/psaux and /dev/input/mice but for some reason it's saying they dont exist |
| 09:49.32 | tester | to retrieve local mail under evolution, sohuld i enter my email address as username@localhost or should i use username@machine name i have given ? |
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| 09:50.08 | Gumby | tester: depends on where the mail server is listening I would think |
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| 09:50.35 | tester | Gumby, i only have a desktop machine |
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| 09:51.11 | liable | tester: user@/var/mail/user |
| 09:51.17 | bibe | tester : I use postfix on my laptop and I set up a "Local delivery" account to listen in /var/mail/bibe |
| 09:51.18 | jm_ | Bonal__: do you know what no such device means? |
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| 09:51.51 | Bonal__ | well i would have thought that it meant that the device file it's looking for, i.e. /dev/psaux just generally doesn't exist as far as it's concerned |
| 09:52.02 | jm_ | wrong |
| 09:52.10 | Bonal__ | or /dev/psaux device file isn't the type of device file it is expecting |
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| 09:53.03 | tester | bibe, liable, sorry. yes i have pointed it in that direction. i just didn't know what i should enter in evolution as my email address? my machine is named for examle foobar, but should i use an email address of username@foobar or username@localhost, or does it not matter which i use? sorry, slightly confused here! ;) |
| 09:53.03 | phanter | the plugin handeling file type audio/mpeg is not installed. What can I do about this? |
| 09:53.22 | Bonal__ | ok well no then i don't know what it means. I'm out of ideas |
| 09:53.40 | jm_ | load drivers needed for your mouse type |
| 09:54.03 | Bonal__ | but shouldn't it be able to do that by itself? |
| 09:54.39 | Bonal__ | It was all working sufficiently until udev was installed, and erm failed to install properly so i removed it. |
| 09:55.01 | jm_ | sounds like hotplug was loading that for you |
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| 09:55.12 | bibe | tester : it doesn't matter, your local machine will act as a relay server for itself (at least in the default configuration) |
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| 09:55.22 | Bonal__ | so i should install hotplug ? |
| 09:55.33 | jm_ | don't ask me, it's your system |
| 09:56.46 | Bonal__ | well i will give hotplug a go |
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| 09:57.24 | tester | bibe, thanks. what would be the recommended format to use bibe if you don't mind me asking? just curious as to what naming format would commonly be used by network admins etc? |
| 09:57.47 | liable | tester: no, in evo, the recieving server is /var/mail/user, type is mbox (if a default exim4 install) email is user@localhost |
| 09:57.54 | maalox | Is anyone aware of a good way for an ftp/smb server to track file popularity (# of accessess, etc)? |
| 09:58.11 | mhall | maalox: you're supposed to use a log analyzer |
| 09:58.20 | mhall | maalox: awk works |
| 09:58.27 | mhall | maalox: it might be hard on smb though |
| 09:58.33 | maalox | mhall: hmm |
| 09:58.34 | tester | cheers liable |
| 09:58.38 | mhall | maalox: because i'm not sure it logs file accesses |
| 09:58.53 | mhall | maalox: you might have to email on the samba list about that |
| 09:59.01 | mhall | maalox: for ftp it's pretty easy |
| 09:59.13 | mhall | maalox: create regex that finds file transfer succeeded messages |
| 09:59.25 | mhall | maalox: then create regex that grabs filenames |
| 09:59.52 | bibe | tester : you should use (one of) your mail address(es), so whoever will receive mail from your machine will be able to send a mail back to you simply replying to the mail |
| 10:00.16 | maalox | mhall: I'll look around for a smb log analyzer. Thanks for your help! |
| 10:00.26 | mhall | maalox: then use assoc array in awk to store filename as key |
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| 10:00.34 | mhall | maalox: count of transfers as value |
| 10:00.53 | mhall | maalox: then print out array |
| 10:01.09 | mhall | maalox: you could write an awk ftp analyzer in 10 min and run it with cron |
| 10:01.19 | mhall | maalox: perl would work too but mawk would probably be faster |
| 10:01.28 | mhall | maalox: just because mawk is so simple and loads so quick etc |
| 10:01.41 | bibe | tester : for instance, I use my "default" mail address, but my laptop's 'hostname -f' changes depending on the network I am. It's scratchy.<my>.<domain> at home, scratchy.<my>.<customer1> when I am at customer1's facility, and so on |
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| 10:02.02 | mhall | maalox: for samba the question might not be if there is an analyzer |
| 10:02.10 | mhall | maalox: but if samba logs file transfer events |
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| 10:02.16 | mhall | maalox: or if it can be convinced to do so |
| 10:02.22 | bbrazil | mhall: they will at level 4 iirc |
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| 10:02.35 | mhall | maalox: bbrazil says they log transfers at log level 4 |
| 10:02.43 | mhall | bbrazil: how much does it slow the demon |
| 10:03.10 | bbrazil | mhall: don't know, but it produces a lot of logs - 3/4 lines per transfer |
| 10:03.14 | x_ | Im about to set up a webserver, should I still use the 2.4 kernel or is 2.6 stable enough these days? |
| 10:03.26 | mhall | bbrazil: oof that could be mighty inefficient if it's lots of small files |
| 10:03.48 | mhall | maalox: another consideration would be watching atime and mtime for the files on the underlying fs |
| 10:03.50 | bbrazil | mhall: I've only every used that level for testing for obvious reasons |
| 10:04.16 | mhall | bbrazil: yeah you might have to patch the demon to generate the transfer lines at a lower log level and recompile |
| 10:04.35 | mhall | bbrazil: because otherwise you'd enable too much code throughout the demon and slow everything badly |
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| 10:05.00 | mhall | x_: 2.6 will get you a superior scheduler |
| 10:05.09 | bbrazil | mhall: in my experiance bottleneck is the disk |
| 10:05.10 | mhall | x_: and the choice of slower timer interrupts |
| 10:05.18 | mhall | x_: and some choice in i/o schedulers |
| 10:05.28 | jm_ | it has crap CPU scheduler IMHO |
| 10:05.30 | mhall | bbrazil: so leaving it on level 4 didn't make anything any worse |
| 10:05.37 | mhall | jm_: ! |
| 10:05.42 | mhall | jm_: performs more stably for me |
| 10:05.51 | mhall | jm_: fewer glitches in latency sensitive apps |
| 10:06.17 | x_ | mhall, are you sure that the 2.6 kernel is the right choice for a webserver, I know that most people used 2.4 for not so long time ago |
| 10:06.22 | tester | bibe, thanks. i have just noticed that i have 3 system messages in a file called mail in the /var/spool/mail doriectory that have been forwarded to root@localhost.localdomain. shouldn't these messages be collected by my evo setup? when i installed debian i chose the default options to have local mail system messages delivered to my username also, but according to the messages, they have only been sent to root? |
| 10:06.27 | jm_ | mhall: could be, but responsivences is crapp if some app is chewing lots of CPU |
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| 10:06.49 | mhall | jm_: do you have preemptible on |
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| 10:07.01 | mhall | x_: well perhaps look on netcraft |
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| 10:07.08 | mhall | x_: see which distros people are using |
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| 10:07.19 | mhall | x_: and infer from their version numbers what kernel they shipped with |
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| 10:07.36 | x_ | netcraft.com? |
| 10:07.41 | mhall | x_: i think so |
| 10:07.44 | x_ | k |
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| 10:07.57 | liable | tester: /etc/aliases should point root to another user. |
| 10:08.08 | bibe | tester : I don't think (but I'm not sure) that exim4 will ever deliver mail to root, it should recommend to deliver mail to some non-root local account |
| 10:08.15 | concept10 | *.se domains are? |
| 10:08.22 | mhall | x_: http://news.netcraft.com/archives/web_server_survey.html |
| 10:08.22 | RichiH | sweden |
| 10:08.24 | concept10 | where, i mean |
| 10:08.27 | concept10 | thanks |
| 10:08.34 | mhall | tiot: http://news.netcraft.com/archives/web_server_survey.html |
| 10:08.42 | RichiH | concept10: google cctld list :) |
| 10:08.58 | concept10 | RichiH, are you swedish? |
| 10:09.19 | tester | liable, bibe, i'm just confused as to why those messages have not been collected by evolution? |
| 10:09.49 | jm_ | mhall: crap, I thought it's on by default, obviously not, no wonder it felts worse than 2.4 |
| 10:09.53 | RichiH | concept10: nope |
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| 10:10.19 | tiot | mhall, what should I look at on http://news.netcraft.com/archives/web_server_survey.html |
| 10:10.24 | mhall | tiot: http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph |
| 10:10.24 | bibe | tester : because evolution is running as a particular user. Why should any particular user collect another user's mail? |
| 10:10.32 | tiot | mhall, I dont |
| 10:10.47 | mhall | jm_: yeah i think they did not put it on by default b/c some arches have issues |
| 10:10.50 | tiot | mhall, I don't find anything about used kernels |
| 10:10.50 | phanter | when I try to alien an RPM to deb then it always fails with the error: cannot find directory ... |
| 10:10.57 | phanter | what could be the problem? |
| 10:11.31 | SimonRaven | you're using an rpm |
| 10:11.46 | tester | bibe, oh i see. i thought though, when i setup debian initially, it gave me the option to have root mail forwarded to a certain user (in my case my own username). maybe i have not understood this correctly though? |
| 10:12.06 | mhall | tiot: notice that people with good uptimes use bsd http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/today/top.avg.html |
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| 10:13.02 | tiot | mhall, I know that both BSD and Solaris is the better choice, but thats not what I want to speculate in |
| 10:13.34 | tiot | mhall, I just want to know if I should use 2.4 or 2.6 as the default kernel |
| 10:13.45 | tiot | mhall, on a webserver |
| 10:14.44 | bibe | tester : is your MTA running? |
| 10:14.53 | mhall | tiot: http://bulk.fefe.de/scalability/ |
| 10:14.53 | liable | tester: check /etc/aliases..... |
| 10:14.56 | peterS | tiot: chances are, it doesn't really matter, so long as your kernel supports all your hardware sufficiently well |
| 10:15.12 | tester | bibeliable, will do. bibe, yes |
| 10:15.27 | tiot | peterS: sure? :0) |
| 10:16.07 | peterS | tiot: I said "chances are". if your web server is super-busy (like it actually *uses* a 100mbit pipe or something) you'll want to look at scalability issues, and 2.6 scales better in several ways |
| 10:16.37 | peterS | tiot: ...and certain hardware, like SATA drives, might be better supported in newer kernels |
| 10:16.45 | tester | liable, under my aliases file it has my username at the bottom like so, root: username |
| 10:17.05 | bibe | tester : sorry but I can't test it (no exim4 on my machines) |
| 10:17.14 | tiot | peterS: right, so you would prefer 2.6 in any case? |
| 10:17.20 | mhall | tiot: that's a big issue SATA |
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| 10:17.24 | tester | bibe, no problem. thanks for your advice and help |
| 10:17.29 | tiot | mhall, I know |
| 10:17.31 | mhall | tiot: you really are going to need SATA to get your box to work fast |
| 10:17.34 | bibe | tester : oh, no problem |
| 10:17.38 | peterS | tiot: the reason 2.4.x is still around is that some people find it somewhat more stable. myself, I've had no problems with 2.6, but I don't exactly stress it |
| 10:17.43 | tiot | mhall, I do |
| 10:17.45 | mhall | tiot: also as you see here 2.6 made a lot of core operations O(1) |
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| 10:18.09 | mhall | tiot: I ran a SPARC Ultra 10 on 2.6.xx for 180 straight days until it lost power |
| 10:18.15 | mhall | tiot: and 160 before that |
| 10:18.21 | mhall | tiot: 2.6.11.5 |
| 10:18.27 | peterS | tiot: if you find your web server to have kernel stability issues, like you get oops messages in /var/log/messages or the machine actually crashes from time to time, you'll want to consider moving back to 2.4.27 or so |
| 10:18.32 | mhall | tiot: using debian unstable |
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| 10:19.06 | liable | tester: then it should go into your users mailbox. |
| 10:19.07 | tiot | mhall, ok |
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| 10:19.47 | tiot | peterS, I know your good at many things, have you ever used SNAT on a PPPoE connection? |
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| 10:20.00 | peterS | tiot: no, I don't use any form of NAT |
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| 10:20.05 | tester | liable. ok thanks. i shall take a look at my evo setup again. i must have made an error somewhere... |
| 10:20.44 | mhall | tiot: i've had some real weird problems with linux pppoe support |
| 10:20.54 | mhall | tiot: the windows implementation appears more stable |
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| 10:22.13 | tiot | mhall, I can not use nat trough /etc/networking/interfaces, pppoe does not accept it |
| 10:22.23 | tiot | mhall, I must use it trough iptables |
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| 10:22.40 | nemooo | any DNS specialists out there? |
| 10:22.48 | nemooo | bind9 |
| 10:23.22 | maalox | I have a hard drive (both partitions) that refuses to mount, saying that it's busy or "already mounted", even though it doesn't show up in fstab or mtab. All dmesg tells me is that "cache flushes are unsupported", but I'm not sure if that's a problem. Anyone know what might be wrong? |
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| 10:23.48 | Miles_Teg | how the entries to experimental and/or projects in /set/sources.lst looks like? |
| 10:24.06 | Miles_Teg | in /etc/sources.lst |
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| 10:24.35 | nemooo | I have major problems getting my dns up and running, it does simply not update the root servers. My OLD ip is still cached in the rootservers when I check... :( Locally it works fine though. I have checked firewall, and its the exact same settings as before. (Old conf file). |
| 10:24.41 | Czar_Net | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:25.20 | enyc | memo: update the root servers [???] |
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| 10:26.09 | enyc | memo: explaint exactly what you mean please ;-) -- give command/example of this 'updating root' you speak of please ;-) |
| 10:27.00 | SimonRaven | enyc: this is RTFM territory |
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| 10:29.17 | linnuxxy | how can i get the instantaneous up and download rates of an network interface card in the shell...prefer to use /proc files? |
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| 10:30.18 | Czar_Net | help me |
| 10:30.24 | maalox | ok |
| 10:30.50 | SimonRaven | !help Czar_Net |
| 10:30.51 | ravo | linnuxxy: apt-get install bwm |
| 10:31.02 | Czar_Net | I am with the following problem, msn is blocked, but in determined horarios I liberate usuarios to connect them, but how much blockade those that were connected continue connected again, as can detach those that estam connected? |
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| 10:31.57 | ravo | Czar_Net: i cant understand what you are trying to say |
| 10:31.57 | ndee | hi there, when I run mysql, the socket is named /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock= is that correct? shouldn't it just be mysqld.sock? |
| 10:32.07 | sep | Czar_Net, is that eglish ? |
| 10:32.14 | maalox | what even was that |
| 10:32.16 | ravo | sep: hi :) |
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| 10:32.42 | ravo | ndee: when it runs, check to see the file is created ? and what the file name is |
| 10:32.44 | SimonRaven | ndee: it is. the = after the name is just what ls displays if you have -F enabled |
| 10:32.56 | wubo | Hehe |
| 10:33.04 | nemooo | enyc, sorry, maybe im not too clear with what I am saying :( Let me try to explain. My external IP has changed, and I need that IP to point to my ns1 and ns2. I have changed the serial number, and I have made all the changes needed. But if I check on dnsreport or dnsstuff, my OLD ip is still the one that is used. |
| 10:33.15 | karsten | What's the command to run after fdisk, to ensure the kernel partition table's in sync with reality? |
| 10:33.30 | ndee | SimonRaven: ok, thx |
| 10:33.31 | nemooo | it is as if I am not reaching the outside world or something, or that DNS simply does not update |
| 10:33.50 | ravo | nemoo: so you have changed your ns1 record? what is the address that hasnt changed |
| 10:33.55 | sep | nemooo, youre bind never ever updates the root nameservers pointers towards your domains nameservers' ips, that's done thru your registrar's web/email forms |
| 10:34.12 | pusling | is there a official homepage for debian armeb ? |
| 10:34.28 | karsten | !br |
| 10:34.32 | Czar_Net | ravo, to disconnect that that they are connected in the messenger |
| 10:34.35 | ravo | sep: i thought he was trying to say hes updated his name server record in his zone file and it hasnt updated |
| 10:34.38 | karsten | @br |
| 10:34.39 | ravenbird | [br] Brazil |
| 10:34.43 | karsten | Hrm... |
| 10:34.44 | peterS | !pt |
| 10:34.54 | djp | liable, hi. chatting earlier as tester (friends pc). i have checked my evo setup and i am using the server type, local delivery. the path is set as /var/mail/username, however i have checked for this file/folder and there is not one in my /var/mail folder? |
| 10:34.58 | peterS | hmmm, or "!portuguese" |
| 10:35.01 | ravo | Czar_Net i still dont understand what you are asking for |
| 10:35.05 | SimonRaven | full name |
| 10:35.08 | nemooo | yeah, it doesnt update |
| 10:35.08 | karsten | peterS: dpkg is dead. |
| 10:35.20 | SimonRaven | !portuguese |
| 10:35.22 | ravo | nemooo: what is the fqdn, ill test it for you |
| 10:35.24 | SimonRaven | !spanish |
| 10:35.25 | peterS | dpkg ayt |
| 10:35.26 | karsten | Czar_Net: There's portuguese-language support on #debian-br |
| 10:35.34 | SimonRaven | @portuguese |
| 10:35.35 | ravenbird | extra, extra, read all about it, portuguese is the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br. por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 10:35.36 | nemooo | www.esknetlabs.com |
| 10:35.38 | sep | ravo you can't update the glue records that way. |
| 10:35.45 | SimonRaven | @spanish |
| 10:35.45 | ravenbird | spanish users: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda |
| 10:36.13 | karsten | SimonRaven: Great, except he's in Brazil and prolly speaks portugues. |
| 10:36.20 | SimonRaven | ^^ |
| 10:36.26 | karsten | Doh. |
| 10:36.33 | SimonRaven | ;) |
| 10:36.40 | nemooo | 217.19.28.159, thats my OLD ip |
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| 10:36.46 | ravo | sep: thats if hes specified the ip in nominet, he could of just put the dns server fqdns down, so then the root servers would just lookup his name server |
| 10:36.48 | karsten | ... and makes sure they're not positioned on asses... |
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| 10:37.22 | SimonRaven | his NS should be designated as authoritative, of course |
| 10:37.36 | sep | ravo, im not to familiar with .com tld's but that's not possible in .no atlest. here we have to update the glue records thru registrar |
| 10:37.39 | ravo | nemoo: what is the fqdn |
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| 10:38.05 | fantomas | Hi. How to use configlets? I installed 'timezoneconf' and it only contains main.py and main.glade codes. How to run them? |
| 10:38.17 | ravo | sep: same actually, forget what i just said, you do need to update the glue as well |
| 10:38.20 | SimonRaven | sep: that's usually the case. in fact, that's what you do |
| 10:38.33 | sep | ravo, nemooo and dns resport say that they report glue for the domain. |
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| 10:39.00 | enyc | nemooo well fou need to configure the information woth the domain registrar |
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| 10:39.33 | nemooo | www.esknetlabs.com is my fqdn |
| 10:39.50 | ravo | nemoo: go to your domain registerer, and update the ip for your nameserver to its new ip |
| 10:40.03 | ravo | ravo: otherwise it wont know to check another name server |
| 10:40.12 | nemooo | tried that 72 hours ago |
| 10:40.14 | nemooo | :( |
| 10:40.27 | ravo | nemoo: .co.uk update every 30 minutes, im not sure about .com |
| 10:40.43 | wubo | Could you tell me the address of the emacschannel? thank you :-) |
| 10:40.49 | enyc | and the ?.gtld-servers.net. [.com servers] says:- |
| 10:40.49 | ravo | nemoo:email your registerer |
| 10:40.49 | enyc | ns1.esknetlabs.com 172800 IN A 217.19.28.159 |
| 10:40.49 | enyc | ns2.esknetlabs.com 172800 IN A 217.19.28.159 |
| 10:40.56 | nemooo | yeahp |
| 10:40.58 | nemooo | my old ip |
| 10:41.00 | nemooo | :( |
| 10:41.05 | enyc | i see |
| 10:41.29 | enyc | do you have login to the registrar of esknetlabs.com ? |
| 10:41.34 | ravo | nemooo: you will need to email NAMESDIRECT |
| 10:41.36 | sep | nemooo, use your registrars forms again, or query your registrars databases. your update obviously didn't take |
| 10:41.53 | ravo | sep: do you use mrtg? |
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| 10:42.11 | nemooo | ok, I will try that |
| 10:42.11 | sep | ravo, not anymore now i use rrdtool via cricket |
| 10:42.22 | nemooo | thanks a lot |
| 10:42.45 | ravo | sep: ive heard of rrdtool, is cricket much better than mrtg? |
| 10:43.59 | SimonRaven | ravo: cricket uses rrdtool, which is a 'daughter project' of mrtg. see the mrtg site |
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| 10:45.06 | sep | rrdtool is the tool that works on rrd bases. mrtg is a tool that fetches data and puts in rrd databases and displayes it on a web. cricket is something of the same, but more configureable more advanced and easier to break |
| 10:45.12 | sep | scales better i think |
| 10:45.28 | sep | both use rrdtool |
| 10:46.09 | sep | ravo, and you might consider NAV also if your deploying for the first time. |
| 10:46.21 | SimonRaven | yeh. rrdtool was written to get beyond mrtg's limitations. i use rrdtool for db updates and creation, and output that for display in 'mrtg mode' |
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| 10:47.36 | ravo | sep: why do suggest nav? is there a debian package for this as i cant seem to ifnd it |
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| 10:48.36 | djp | do i need to configure exim4 in order to retrieve local mail? |
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| 10:49.06 | sep | ravo, there is a nav package but keep in mind nav is huge, it's based on ifdescr on a certain format. to generate cricket configs on the fly. it also graphs using rrd tool and contains a lot more then just traffic stats. it's a whole network management system |
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| 10:49.46 | djp | i'm sure when i installed debian it asked if i wanted root mail forwarded to my username, but it does not seem to have worked... |
| 10:49.47 | GNUdist | hello, world! |
| 10:50.01 | Buldden | hi |
| 10:50.03 | sep | you can probably find the debian package on metanav.ntnu.no |
| 10:50.34 | bonz | GNUdist: noone home please leave a message after the *beep* |
| 10:50.35 | sep | djp, grep ^root /etc/aliases |
| 10:50.43 | GNUdist | lol |
| 10:51.07 | GNUdist | I like hex in the early morning |
| 10:51.13 | djp | sep, my username is listed as root: djp |
| 10:51.25 | sep | ravo, if this is a bout graphing a single switch nav is way way overkill |
| 10:52.02 | sep | djp are your mta running is it configured for local delivery ? |
| 10:52.35 | djp | sep, yes. exim4 i believe by default |
| 10:53.04 | sep | djp, are root's mail delivered to root then ? |
| 10:53.14 | djp | sep, yes |
| 10:53.29 | sep | run newaliases and try again a email |
| 10:53.29 | djp | sep, but nothing for my username |
| 10:54.01 | bonz | djp: so just add a .forward too root's home or an entry too /etc/aliases |
| 10:54.30 | djp | sep, just run the command newaliases? do i need to be root to run the command? |
| 10:54.52 | sep | hmm i just read man newaliases and it dosnt look like it does much in exim. |
| 10:55.01 | fah | huersch_ : qed |
| 10:55.08 | sep | <- used to work with sendmail... pity me.. |
| 10:55.30 | fah | TheCount , huersch_ : so, ich mache mich dann , cu |
| 10:56.10 | liable | djp: have you checked exims logs? (sorry been away) roots mail *should* be going to your mbox. |
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| 10:56.38 | djp | liable, where do i find the log sorry? |
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| 10:56.53 | ravo | sep: i just wondered why you suggested it, from the looks of it, it does look over kill, but good :) |
| 10:57.17 | liable | djp: /var/log/exim |
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| 10:57.27 | djp | liable, by the way, i do not appear to have an mbox for my username |
| 10:57.38 | djp | liable, thanks |
| 10:57.46 | sussudio | dpkg: test |
| 10:58.58 | sussudio | ravenbird: you're useless |
| 10:59.04 | SimonRaven | time to call in the badger |
| 10:59.12 | ravo | sep: for mrtg to work, you just need an snmpd right? following the manual, ive set up snmpd and changed the acl to com2sec readonly 127.0.0.1 public.. then tried to run "cfgmaker 192.168.0.36" but keep getting snmp error: no response received.. snmp is running i can see it listening? |
| 10:59.13 | sussudio | neh. |
| 10:59.21 | acidrainy | A badger? Someone mentioned a badger?! |
| 10:59.36 | sussudio | someone needs to SIGHUP dpkg |
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| 10:59.38 | liable | @badger |
| 10:59.39 | ravenbird | methinks badger is something to do with bodger... and mashed potato!!! |
| 11:00.04 | ravo | badger loves mash potato! do you guys even get that joke ? |
| 11:00.06 | SimonRaven | that would help |
| 11:00.19 | acidrainy | Ahh indeed, a true connoisseur. |
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| 11:02.45 | karsten | !sussudio |
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| 11:04.13 | SimonRaven | @sussudio |
| 11:04.15 | ravenbird | /Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass, simonraven! |
| 11:04.17 | Skrotto | Does newly created files inherit the restrictions of the directory they are created in? E.g I create a file in a dir that's chmodded 700, does the file become 700? |
| 11:04.31 | SimonRaven | o_O |
| 11:04.40 | liable | hehe |
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| 11:05.23 | dimir | Skrotto: no |
| 11:05.24 | djp | liable, hi sorry. disappeared. ok looking at the exim log, but what am i actually looking for? |
| 11:05.41 | liable | djp: dunno, errors of some sort :) |
| 11:05.53 | djp | liable, none that i can see |
| 11:05.55 | SimonRaven | Skrotto: no, they inherit from your umask |
| 11:05.55 | TheCount | jeesh, some guys on #debian.de have a severe attitude problem |
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| 11:06.06 | reserfres | After i run apt-get install ssh | /etc/init.d/ssh start, ssh won't start. port 22 is'nt open when i portscan 127.0.0.1 either! what seems to be the problem? |
| 11:06.16 | Ekaterin | Why is there no scilab package in sarge? There was one in woody and I think there's one in unstable. |
| 11:06.18 | Skrotto | SimonRaven: really? My umask is 0022? :p |
| 11:06.25 | daniele83 | hi! I've installed the nvidia drivers for Xorg, but I can't start X if GLX is loaded in xorg.conf. I need glx, how can I do? |
| 11:06.30 | sussudio | @why is scilab not in testing |
| 11:06.30 | ravenbird | scilab is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=scilab |
| 11:06.38 | SimonRaven | try it. also depends on the FS |
| 11:06.43 | reserfres | i booted debian without internet.. |
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| 11:07.06 | SimonRaven | most don't play games, but xfs has has things it got from Irix |
| 11:07.14 | djp | liable, tells me the daemon started, the smtp port it is listening on then there are numerous start que run, end que run and pid numbers |
| 11:07.36 | liable | djp: no frozen messages or anything? |
| 11:07.43 | reserfres | after i apt-get install ssh, port 22 SHOULD be open when I query nmap? |
| 11:07.50 | djp | liable, no. |
| 11:07.59 | TheCount | reserfres: correct |
| 11:08.13 | djp | liable, by the way, should i have a folder in /var/mail, named djp (my username)? |
| 11:08.22 | ravo | reserfres: if theres no firewall in the way |
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| 11:08.27 | vulture | reserfres: not if you firewall or anything.. try "netstat" for a simpler test |
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| 11:08.33 | Ekaterin | sussudio: Thank you! That was amazingly quick help. |
| 11:08.58 | sep | djp, will be created by the first email sent to djp |
| 11:08.59 | liable | djp: well, yes. |
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| 11:09.22 | djp | liable, i don't have one. |
| 11:09.39 | reserfres | there is no firewall, and ssh is'nt listening on port 22.. maybe there's some hostname problem? I've also changed local address |
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| 11:10.20 | djp | liable, the only way in which i configured my local mail system was when i installed debian. it gave me the choice of having local mail forwarded to my username at the end of install. |
| 11:10.39 | ploesserm | hi |
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| 11:11.13 | ploesserm | anyone got an idea which packages i have to install to get japanese characters displayed with firefox? |
| 11:11.19 | liable | djp: for some reason (which i have no idea about) your root mail isnt going to you, maybe paste your aliases file and update-exim4-config to a paster. |
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| 11:11.32 | djp | the only file inside /var/mail is a file named mail, which if read, contains 3 messages sent to root@localhost.localdomain. it is these 3 messages that i gather should be forward to my username (djp) |
| 11:11.38 | liable | djp: have you tried dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config? |
| 11:11.55 | reserfres | netstat -il |grep 80 returns apache, but netstat -il |grep 22 is empty :/ |
| 11:12.00 | djp | liable, no. should i give that a shot? |
| 11:12.12 | liable | djp: sure. |
| 11:12.14 | vulture | reserfres: so you don't have an ssh server running by thelooks of things.. |
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| 11:12.23 | cdqscdqs | hhi |
| 11:12.25 | vulture | reserfres: which version of Debian are you using? |
| 11:12.27 | cdqscdqs | i have a question |
| 11:12.34 | djp | liable, run as sudo, yes? |
| 11:12.35 | vulture | how nice for you |
| 11:12.45 | liable | djp: root/sudo, yes |
| 11:12.47 | lunitik | now now vulture :P |
| 11:12.48 | cdqscdqs | which bin file i should used for ia64 ? |
| 11:12.49 | djp | liable, will do that now. thanks |
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| 11:12.55 | cdqscdqs | small image |
| 11:13.10 | lunitik | cdqscdqs: umm... the x86_64 one? |
| 11:13.10 | cdqscdqs | the businesscard doesn't seen work |
| 11:13.13 | lunitik | just a quess |
| 11:13.14 | cdqscdqs | ye |
| 11:13.15 | lunitik | guess* |
| 11:13.16 | reserfres | kernel 2.4.27-2-386 dist debian 3.1 |
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| 11:13.52 | cdqscdqs | does netinst will work @ boot time ? |
| 11:14.12 | lunitik | cdqscdqs: potatoes? |
| 11:14.14 | lunitik | yes |
| 11:14.42 | cdqscdqs | i don't want to lost another mini-cd again ;O |
| 11:14.51 | cdqscdqs | you sure ? ;) |
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| 11:15.02 | liable | yes, they are expensive. |
| 11:15.12 | cdqscdqs | ye it is |
| 11:15.27 | cdqscdqs | ty |
| 11:15.46 | Eclipser | I have a lot of lines of text which start with some spaces (maybe), a number and a dot then a space and the rest of the string which I want to parse out... I asked the question a few hours ago and someone did reply with a regexp thingie but I've no idea how to put it in use... I want to parse links from lynx -dump output grep some of them and give them to wget for download, how could I accomplish this? |
| 11:16.10 | ploesserm | anyone got an idea which packages i have to install to get japanese characters displayed with firefox? |
| 11:16.38 | reserfres | vulture: yer I see it not running ps aux |grep ssh :/ |
| 11:16.48 | linnuxxy | how can i reset the pockets number showed in the ifconfig to start counting again |
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| 11:17.09 | reserfres | I've reinstalled it at least 5 times now, so there should'nt be any config errors |
| 11:17.36 | lunitik | ploesserm: I see mozilla-firefox-locale-ja ... you have this package? |
| 11:17.42 | TheCount | reserfres: checked for errors from the startup-script? in the logfiles? |
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| 11:18.22 | liable | linnuxxy: by taking down and gringing the interface up again. |
| 11:18.25 | ploesserm | lunitik : yes |
| 11:18.38 | lunitik | ploesserm: thats prolly what you want then... |
| 11:18.54 | djp | liable, ok i currently have exim4 set to use local delivery only, not on a network, which i presume is correct, as i am not on a network? |
| 11:19.02 | ploesserm | lunitik: already installed, but doesnt show the characters |
| 11:19.06 | liable | djp: yep. |
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| 11:19.07 | lunitik | ploesserm: else... 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' and change to 'UTF-8' |
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| 11:19.22 | cdqscdqs | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:19.36 | cdqscdqs | omg 8mm cd is not enough |
| 11:19.38 | lunitik | ploesserm: so... in my case 'UTF-8-en_US' |
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| 11:19.55 | bibe | Eclipser : you need to get everything after the point? |
| 11:19.56 | lunitik | actually... en_US-UTF-8 I think... but eh |
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| 11:20.31 | cdqscdqs | will. |
| 11:20.34 | cdqscdqs | -i+e |
| 11:20.43 | ploesserm | lunitik : but i dont want the system to use japanese everywhere ... |
| 11:20.44 | Eclipser | bibe, basically yeah, and pipe them to wget so that it'll download them :p |
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| 11:21.28 | cdqscdqs | i am fucked. |
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| 11:22.26 | djp | liable, have gone through the configure process, everything seems fine. just cant't receive root mail as djp! |
| 11:22.42 | bibe | sed -e "s/^.*\.//" <file_name_here> |
| 11:22.49 | bibe | Eclipser : ^^^ |
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| 11:23.11 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 11:23.25 | Eclipser | hmm |
| 11:23.27 | pabs3 | ploesserm: have you installed japanese fonts? |
| 11:23.39 | reserfres | aah the rsa key file is the error! how do I create a new one, anyone knows? |
| 11:23.40 | berzerka | i want to burn a simple data dvd using cdrecord. to create the image i used mkisofs -r -J -o image.iso directory. then i burned using cdrecord speed=8 dev=0,0 -sao image.iso. when i try to mount the image, it fails saying wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdd.. what am i doing wrong? |
| 11:23.41 | Eclipser | bibe, can I do sed < lynx -dump | grep something? |
| 11:23.42 | liable | djp: sorry, i dont have any ideas. |
| 11:23.51 | Eclipser | does |have higher precedence |
| 11:23.55 | Eclipser | or something :p |
| 11:24.02 | Eclipser | most likely a typo there :p |
| 11:24.08 | jm_ | berzerka: why not use growisofs instead? |
| 11:24.28 | djp | liable, no probs. thanks for your help |
| 11:24.34 | bibe | Eclipser : lynx -dump |sed ... |grep whatyouwant |
| 11:24.38 | amorphix | I'm experiencing strange problem today with my KMail client, when I start it up it says "KMail could not create folder '$Home/Mail'; please make sure that you can view and modify the content of the folder '/home/paul'.. well the folder is there and the Mail folder has the right permissions, any ideas? |
| 11:24.40 | ploesserm | lunitik : xfonts-a12-k12, xfonts-intl-japanese, xfonts-shinonome, |
| 11:24.46 | berzerka | jm_: shall i? well then. but it should work this way too, shouldn't it? |
| 11:24.47 | ploesserm | lunitik: are there more? |
| 11:25.20 | cdqscdqs | well i have to use sarge-amd64 instead ia64 |
| 11:25.24 | pabs3 | ploesserm: run aptitude and look at the 2 japanese localisation tasks |
| 11:25.27 | Eclipser | bibe, gave me nothing :( |
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| 11:25.33 | jm_ | berzerka: as long as cdrecord burned it correctly, use isoinfo or isovfy to test it |
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| 11:26.08 | amorphix | hi |
| 11:26.37 | Eclipser | bibe, hmm well that at least lead me to the right direction |
| 11:26.55 | Eclipser | let me just try to modify the regexp a little |
| 11:27.00 | bibe | Eclipser : I have a file containing " 1.ciccio\n 2.ciccio\n3.ciccio", if I use sed as I wrote it gives me "ciccio\nciccio\nciccio" |
| 11:27.04 | ploesserm | pabs3 : what do you mean by localisation tasks? |
| 11:27.19 | amorphix | I'm having mail problems |
| 11:27.25 | Eclipser | bibe, try putting a second dot somewhere in one line :p |
| 11:28.04 | amorphix | I'm experiencing strange problem today with my KMail client, when I start it up it says "KMail could not create folder '$Home/Mail'; please make sure that you can view and modify the content of the folder '/home/paul'.. well the folder is there and the Mail folder has the right permissions, any ideas? |
| 11:28.04 | pabs3 | ploesserm: a "task" is basically a list of packages. the japanese localisation ones list packages needed to support japanese |
| 11:28.08 | Skrotto | What's a good way to check who is using ssh on my server? |
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| 11:29.00 | ziupiu | Skrotto, who |
| 11:29.00 | beardy | Skrotto: netstat, auth.log |
| 11:29.01 | berzerka | jm_: isoinfo: cannot open /dev/sg*. cannot open scsi driver. unable to open 1,5,0? hm. i have used the drive to read dvds before.. |
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| 11:29.31 | jm_ | berzerka: /dev/sg? wtf |
| 11:29.32 | amorphix | what should one do if you're downloading some packages from apt-get and apt reports broken paths/missing files on the source? |
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| 11:29.39 | ploesserm | pabs3: can you tell me where the localisation tasks are hiding ... admin, base, ...? |
| 11:29.51 | amorphix | like, in the middle of the download |
| 11:29.54 | amorphix | is that unusual? |
| 11:30.13 | pabs3 | ploesserm: "Tasks" not "Not Installed Packages" |
| 11:30.21 | prog | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:30.43 | bibe | Eclipser : there should be a switch to pass to sed , so it will act "reluctantly", extracting everything after the first point |
| 11:30.55 | beardy | amorphix: Try another source? |
| 11:30.55 | berzerka | jm_: if i say isoinfo dev=/dev/hdd, i get a segmentation fault! |
| 11:31.23 | amorphix | ok |
| 11:31.28 | jm_ | berzerka: did you even read man page and noticed that's incorrect usage? |
| 11:31.48 | berzerka | jm_: no i didnt. excuse.. |
| 11:31.59 | amorphix | my system is acting really weird today |
| 11:32.30 | jm_ | berzerka: the fact that it core dumps is stupid, but you're not using it correctly so you'll not get any useful data from it this way |
| 11:32.32 | Eclipser | bibe, sed 's|^[[:space:]]*[0-9]*[\.]*[[:space:]]*||' worked :) |
| 11:32.59 | ploesserm | pabs3: ah, ok, got it ... lets see |
| 11:33.09 | amorphix | I attempt a dist upgrade yesterday on my laptop (which failed horribly) however today I'm noticing problems on my workstation box, which I think may be related, since all my machines use NFS and have a shared home folder. could it be the case? |
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| 11:34.58 | bibe | Eclipser : ok! I meant to make sed "stop" after the first point using a reluctant regexp, but if it Just Works (TM), then it's OK |
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| 11:35.50 | Eclipser | okies |
| 11:35.55 | Eclipser | I got it working |
| 11:36.09 | amorphix | guys |
| 11:36.19 | berzerka | jm_: okay i have to specify the scsi device number there.. cdrecord -scanbus tells me cannot open /dev/pg* (notice the p). cannot open scsi driver.. do i need scsi support to mount my IDE drive? i didnt until now.. |
| 11:36.27 | Eclipser | lynx -dump remix.kwed.org | grep "download\.php" | sed 's|^[[:space:]]*[0-9]*[\.]*[[:space:]]*||' | wget -i - |
| 11:36.35 | jm_ | berzerka: don't use ide-scsi with recent kernels |
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| 11:37.29 | amorphix | my system is really freaking me out now... I have kde installed already yeah? but its not working properly, so I did apt-get install kmail, and it asked me to install about 10Mb of files, perhaps an update? well that failed, bad source and missing dependencies, so I did an apt-get update, and now it's asking me to download over 120Mb of files! wtf? |
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| 11:37.43 | amorphix | is this normal? |
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| 11:38.03 | reserfres | how do I logout a user with pts/1 in the syntax? |
| 11:38.04 | berzerka | jm_: yes, i thought so. but how can i specify the devicename to isoinfo in a scsi-manner if there is no scsi support in my kernel.. |
| 11:38.06 | amorphix | I'm running testing, and although I dont update very often, this seems a huge update |
| 11:38.11 | sanen | what is it called when a dynamic IP is resolve one IP per MAC address? |
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| 11:38.24 | reserfres | like kill pts/1 logout the user |
| 11:38.38 | beardy | reserfres: that is not the way, use the pid |
| 11:38.42 | ziupiu | reserfres, kill his shell |
| 11:38.54 | reserfres | ye!1 i want to kill the shell |
| 11:38.56 | ravo | can anyone help me, im trying to get mrtg working, but whenever i run cfgmaker to connect to my local machine which is running snmpd, it says it cant connect, i have editted the acl to "com2sec readonly 127.0.0.1 public" and snmp is running when i look at netstat -pant can anyone help me out ? |
| 11:39.06 | Nirga1 | sanen: See arp maybe ? |
| 11:39.06 | beardy | reserfres: HUP his shells pid |
| 11:39.10 | amorphix | phew linux is ridden with problems |
| 11:39.15 | jm_ | berzerka: are you refering to x,y,z? that's not a SCSI manner, that's libschilly AFAIK -- anyway, use its real device name |
| 11:39.20 | sanen | Nirga1, arp? |
| 11:39.35 | ravo | sanen: please re write what you are actually wanting the answer two? |
| 11:39.36 | jm_ | ravo: edited it how? |
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| 11:40.04 | reserfres | ps aux |grep pts/1 returns null, even though hes makred as login'ed in who |
| 11:40.07 | Nirga1 | sanen: man arp |
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| 11:40.23 | Nirga1 | sanen: "man -a arp" actually :) |
| 11:40.32 | amorphix | does X run as root? |
| 11:40.33 | ravo | jm_ : nano /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf "found com2 line #com2sec readonly default public and changed the default to an ip and uncommented it :) |
| 11:40.35 | beardy | reserfres: "quote" 'it' |
| 11:41.33 | jm_ | ravo: did you restart snmpd? |
| 11:41.38 | Nirga1 | amorphix: see "ps auxfw | grep X" |
| 11:41.39 | amorphix | hi |
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| 11:41.44 | ravo | jm_: yes |
| 11:41.52 | amorphix | Nirga1 many thanx |
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| 11:42.05 | beardy | reserfres: and grep for the username instead |
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| 11:42.22 | sanen | What is the definition of a DHCP connection that resolve the IP on the MAC adress |
| 11:42.34 | ravo | sanen: ARP |
| 11:42.39 | sanen | ravo, |
| 11:42.41 | sanen | ok |
| 11:42.48 | jm_ | ravo: does snmpwalk work? |
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| 11:44.26 | amorphix | I have no clue |
| 11:44.31 | amorphix | hi Slammer |
| 11:44.33 | berzerka | jm_: what do you mean by real device name? /dev/hdx? |
| 11:44.37 | jm_ | berzerka: yes |
| 11:44.41 | plbgnr | hello, I installed debian and I use fluxbox; it draws graphic very slow by switching workspaces, what can be problem? (I had mandrake installed and there wasn't such problem) |
| 11:44.42 | amorphix | SlammerXP: do you like Windows XP? |
| 11:44.43 | beardy | !clue amorphix |
| 11:44.57 | SlammerXP | amorphix: yes. |
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| 11:45.12 | SlammerXP | it's a very stable, reliable, productive desktop operating system. |
| 11:45.14 | jm_ | ravo: also keep in mind that it will match first source/communit combination that matches |
| 11:45.41 | ravo | jm_ would this suffice for just seeing if it works : snmpwalk -Os -c public -v 1 192.168.0.36 |
| 11:45.44 | amorphix | SlammerXP: thats the first time I've heard anyone come here and speak such words to describe a WINDOWS operating system |
| 11:45.46 | beardy | dpkg: wake up |
| 11:45.58 | jm_ | ravo: try 127.0.0.1 instead |
| 11:46.27 | SlammerXP | amorphix: that's because most of the people who come here to bash microsoft products are immature idiots. |
| 11:46.38 | ravo | jm_ seems to work, maybe i should just use loopback then for cfgmaker too |
| 11:46.49 | beardy | there are also mature idiots |
| 11:46.50 | amorphix | SlammerXP: are you pro Microsoft? |
| 11:46.52 | john_doe | I have enabled quota on my system. Where do I apply the email adresses for my users, so that they will get the quota notes? In /etc/passwd? |
| 11:47.03 | SlammerXP | amorphix: http://www.hinterlands.org/linuxhate.html |
| 11:47.18 | john_doe | hehe |
| 11:47.26 | yang | I get problem with proftpd - jason (sisyphus[212.18.59.124]) - Refused PORT 192,168,1,19,219,139 (address mismatch) |
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| 11:47.52 | ravo | jm_: that was it.. i didnt think, as i put 127.0.0.1 in the acl.. if i connected to 192.168.0.36, then the source was also be that.. hence why it didnt connect before |
| 11:48.18 | apogee_XL | hello bob2 |
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| 11:49.02 | amorphix | SlammerXP: interesting page |
| 11:49.08 | apogee_XL | anyone using AMD64 weekly distro ? |
| 11:49.26 | SlammerXP | amorphix: and written over 5 years ago. |
| 11:49.33 | SlammerXP | apogee_XL: weekly? |
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| 11:49.42 | amorphix | SlammerXP: what's the minimum RAM/CPU requirement for XP, I want to install it on my mothers machine, shes running 98 right now with 64megs of ram |
| 11:49.50 | beardy | SlammerXP: Don't bother with that one.. |
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| 11:50.09 | SlammerXP | amorphix: my partners laptop is a celery 600 with 256 megs, it runs reasonably well on that |
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| 11:50.17 | amorphix | oh |
| 11:50.23 | apogee_XL | SlammerXP:yes ,I download it right now,to get support for the Unichrome VIA integrated VGA chip |
| 11:50.27 | jm_ | ravo: sure, use loopback for mrtg |
| 11:50.49 | SlammerXP | apogee_XL: I have no idea what you're talking about. |
| 11:50.51 | macsim | hi, I've got a file without ext,file says : RISC OS archive (spark format), who can I extract it ? |
| 11:51.10 | berzerka | jm_: okay, if i run isoinfo -d dev=/dev/hdd he prints the information as expected. if i run it with -l, he lists a part of the files and then aborts with a segfault. |
| 11:51.18 | apogee_XL | SlammerXP:I' talking about the testing distros of Deb |
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| 11:51.28 | SlammerXP | apogee_XL: ..... ? |
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| 11:52.03 | beardy | macsim: Try google? |
| 11:52.11 | macsim | beardy: I try too ;) |
| 11:52.22 | apogee_XL | SlammerXP: about this :http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/weekly/amd64/ |
| 11:52.28 | beardy | macsim: Do you know what's in the file? |
| 11:52.30 | macsim | beardy: IRC+google |
| 11:52.36 | SlammerXP | oh I see. |
| 11:52.48 | macsim | beardy: no |
| 11:52.58 | SlammerXP | apogee_XL: I've been using the amd64 port for about 12 months, I've never used the testing installs. |
| 11:53.05 | apogee_XL | anyone using Apache ???? |
| 11:53.08 | beardy | macsim: May I ask why you have it, and what you need it for? |
| 11:53.22 | beardy | !anyone use apache |
| 11:53.23 | SlammerXP | apogee_XL: yes, someone is using apache. |
| 11:53.41 | macsim | beardy: no you can't ;) |
| 11:53.59 | apogee_XL | SlammerXP:how can I get it started when system is booted? |
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| 11:54.30 | SlammerXP | apogee_XL: if you're using the debian packages, it will start automatically. if it doesn't then you changed something and it broke, |
| 11:55.19 | jm_ | berzerka: it looks like something went wrong buning it - do you have the image file> |
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| 11:55.23 | Nirga1 | yang: You FTP client is 212.18.59.124, but is asking to send data to 192.168.1.19, that is incorect. Try using passive mode. The problem is on the client side. |
| 11:55.27 | palmax | Hello! |
| 11:55.33 | palmax | I think that my P4-HT dont run in SMP good, Do you know a Hyper-Threading/SMP test program? |
| 11:55.43 | amorphix | hi |
| 11:55.52 | john_doe | you must know this. How do I apply email adresses for my users so they will get the quota notifications? |
| 11:55.58 | ziupiu | palmax, cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 11:56.23 | apogee_XL | SlammerXP:I need to compile the Apache server with the -apxs option so it casn access external php modules,and I don't think I 'll use Debian package to do so. |
| 11:56.45 | berzerka | jm_: yes. |
| 11:56.52 | palmax | ziupiu, I have to run without SMP, because if I run with SMP my kernel hangs! |
| 11:57.07 | palmax | (if I wait a random time) |
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| 11:57.11 | jm_ | berzerka: run isoinfo on it |
| 11:57.28 | palmax | usually more than 10 minutes |
| 11:57.33 | apogee_XL | slammerXP:this is why switched to Debian:Suse's system is confuse whenever you manually install software, as I found in its documentation online |
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| 11:58.43 | Orfeous | hello again.. |
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| 11:59.00 | Orfeous | i still cant get my lilo/grub to work :( |
| 11:59.01 | apogee_XL | anyone else using Debian as LAMP ? |
| 11:59.08 | Orfeous | apogee_XL: LAMP? |
| 11:59.21 | palmax | apogee_XL, you have manuals |
| 11:59.36 | Nirga1 | yang: and if the client is behind an Linux NAT, it can be solved by loading ip_conntrack_ftp on the router |
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| 12:00.03 | apogee_XL | orfeous :L inuxApacheMysqlPhp |
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| 12:00.39 | palmax | ziupiu, do you have another idea? |
| 12:00.48 | apogee_XL | palmx::talking about man pages ??or other stuff ? |
| 12:01.16 | Orfeous | apogee_XL: ok |
| 12:01.19 | palmax | apogee_XL, you have a lot of info about LAMP |
| 12:01.35 | Orfeous | where should i install LILO? |
| 12:01.41 | Orfeous | i got windows installed too |
| 12:01.47 | berzerka | jm_: same output without the segfault. |
| 12:02.05 | jm_ | berzerka: right, so something went wrong burning it |
| 12:02.29 | berzerka | jm_: do i have to tell cdrecord explicitly to fixate the media? i would guess that is the problem.. |
| 12:02.45 | yang | Nirga1: where do i add ip_conntrack_ftp? |
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| 12:03.39 | ziupiu | palmax, read kernel messages until it hangs |
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| 12:03.51 | palmax | ziupiu, it doesnt exist |
| 12:03.53 | Nirga1 | yang: You can load the module on the (client-side) router by running "modprobe ip_conntrack_ftp". If it works and you want the module loaded automatically on boot, just add it att the end of /etc/modules |
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| 12:04.05 | berzerka | jm_: my line was: cdrecord -v speed=8 dev=0,0 -sao /tmp/mkisofs/CG1_1-10.iso |
| 12:04.09 | Kondi | hello, how to install mysql for debian by apt-get? |
| 12:04.37 | blondie|bed | erm |
| 12:04.54 | blondie|bed | try "apt-get install ..." |
| 12:05.02 | Kondi | not workin |
| 12:05.11 | achaoge | Kondi: sudo aptitude install mysql-server |
| 12:05.13 | Kondi | Package mysql is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 12:05.24 | Kondi | apt-get install mysql-server? |
| 12:05.25 | apogee_XL | orfeous :I STRONGLY reccomend to install in a floppy ,NOT in the mbr of your drive ! |
| 12:05.27 | blondie|bed | achaoge: what is this, #ubuntu? |
| 12:05.29 | blondie|bed | Kondi: yes |
| 12:05.47 | Kondi | ok |
| 12:05.51 | Kondi | thx |
| 12:05.54 | blondie|bed | Kondi: apt-cache search |
| 12:05.58 | blondie|bed | for finding the right name |
| 12:06.01 | achaoge | blondie|bed: aptitude is better than apt-get |
| 12:06.15 | palmax | ziupiu, I think that it can mean that my pentium4 HT is failed, because kernel dont put messages until hang and it isnt in /var/log/messages |
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| 12:06.16 | blondie|bed | achaoge: how is it? |
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| 12:06.36 | palmax | ziupiu, I think that it can mean that my pentium4 HT is failed, because kernel dont put messages until hang and it isnt in /var/log/messages, can you know a HT/SMP test program? |
| 12:06.52 | Kondi | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld...failed. |
| 12:06.52 | Kondi | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:06.52 | Kondi | /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
| 12:06.52 | Kondi | error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)' |
| 12:06.52 | Kondi | Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' exists! |
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| 12:07.11 | Kondi | :/ |
| 12:07.16 | shad0wcat | Kondi: don't EVER do that again |
| 12:07.18 | blondie|bed | Kondi: look at syslog then |
| 12:07.23 | yang | Nirga1: thanks ! |
| 12:07.24 | Kondi | ok sorry |
| 12:07.36 | berzerka | can anyone tell me a working cdrecord line which burns an iso image on a DVD? |
| 12:08.04 | Nirga1 | kondie: Get packages names with somehting like: "apt-cache dumpavail | grep Package: | grep mysql" |
| 12:08.05 | ziupiu | palmax, no, sorry |
| 12:08.13 | jm_ | berzerka: don't ask me about cdrecord, I use growisofs |
| 12:08.19 | Kondi | ok Nirga1 |
| 12:08.19 | shad0wcat | Nirga1: apt-cache search helps too |
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| 12:09.27 | djp | djp@localhost.localdomain is an unrouteable address? what does this mean? |
| 12:09.32 | apogee_XL | kondi:hae you created gropu and user for MySQL ? |
| 12:09.32 | bibe | berzerka : man growisofs, it contains an example |
| 12:09.33 | berzerka | jm_: ah so growisofs also actually writes disks and not only creates iso images? |
| 12:09.46 | jm_ | berzerka: yes |
| 12:09.51 | berzerka | bibe: thanks. |
| 12:09.58 | berzerka | jm_: thanks a lot. |
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| 12:11.30 | Laibsch | ! remote X |
| 12:11.37 | Laibsch | !remote X |
| 12:11.47 | RichiH | Laibsch: ssh -Y |
| 12:12.18 | Laibsch | RichiH: Thanks. I was looking, if dpkg is working again. does not look like it. |
| 12:12.32 | Laibsch | Isn't it ssh -X? |
| 12:12.33 | dannythm | can anyone advice me? |
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| 12:12.47 | linnuxxy | how to get the tocken (n) of a string in bash? |
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| 12:12.49 | streuner | !tell annythm about ask |
| 12:12.55 | RichiH | Laibsch: not any more |
| 12:12.57 | dannythm | I'm on fluxbox and can't install easily kde or gnome |
| 12:12.59 | streuner | !tell dannythm about ask |
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| 12:13.09 | RichiH | -X is broken by default, now |
| 12:13.16 | dannythm | it would be faster to burn my things in a dvd and reinstall or try to fix my problems? |
| 12:13.46 | Laibsch | RichiH: Is it? I did not see -Y mentioned in the man page, though. |
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| 12:13.57 | Laibsch | What is the diff |
| 12:13.59 | Laibsch | ? |
| 12:13.59 | streuner | dannythm: what error you got? |
| 12:14.02 | RichiH | Laibsch: do you have stable, perchance? |
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| 12:14.13 | bibe | dannythm : are you using sarge? did you update your repositories recently? |
| 12:14.15 | apogee_XL | dannythm: advise about what ? |
| 12:14.16 | ravo | im running mrtg and i just wondered where the snmp server actually get the bandwith measurements from? as its displaying that it hasnt transferred any data when ive downloaded 64mb etc :) |
| 12:14.18 | Laibsch | no, testing. |
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| 12:14.27 | RichiH | -X Enables X11 forwarding. -Y Enables trusted X11 forwarding. |
| 12:14.33 | RichiH | that's from my manpage |
| 12:14.40 | Laibsch | RichiH: Thanks for the pointer. |
| 12:14.50 | OENEUS | hi, i can't emulate the server... what can i do to fix that? |
| 12:14.59 | apogee_XL | streuner:hello, |
| 12:15.01 | dannythm | streuner: lots of broken dependencis while trying to instlall the modules |
| 12:15.08 | streuner | apogee_XL: hi |
| 12:15.10 | sanen | my ISP resolv a new IP when my network restarts, is it possible to define which IP I want with arp? |
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| 12:15.13 | dannythm | bibe: Sarge, I updated last nicght |
| 12:15.26 | streuner | dannythm: show us your sources.list |
| 12:15.27 | dannythm | apogee_XL: abput if its better fix problems or reinstall the system |
| 12:15.33 | streuner | dannythm: in the paster bot |
| 12:15.36 | apogee_XL | streuner: I'm downloading the testing AMD64 distro now... |
| 12:15.47 | ravo | sanen: no, i think you dont quite understand what arp does, arp is for doing ip -> mac address |
| 12:15.52 | SlammerXP | !vague OENEUS |
| 12:15.52 | streuner | dpkg, wake up! |
| 12:15.59 | SlammerXP | !vagueness OENEUS |
| 12:16.02 | apogee_XL | streuner:give it a try ;-) |
| 12:16.02 | streuner | apt, paste |
| 12:16.04 | apt | methinks paste is see http://paste.husk.org |
| 12:16.04 | SlammerXP | bah |
| 12:16.11 | shad0wcat | ~vague |
| 12:16.13 | apt | Hi, I've got a problem but I'm not going to explain it to you in a coherent way. I'm also going to annoy you by using contractions like "ur" and "ne", furthermore I'm going to make up my own abbreviations of technical phrases and terms |
| 12:16.15 | ravo | sanen: your isp is just dishing out ips via dhcp, you will need to ask them for a "static ip" if you want a static one |
| 12:16.23 | dannythm | streuner: I post it in #flood |
| 12:16.29 | shad0wcat | ~doesn't work |
| 12:16.31 | apt | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 12:17.01 | SlammerXP | OENEUS: can you be less specific? |
| 12:17.05 | streuner | dannythm: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
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| 12:17.30 | sanen | ravo, ok, is my ISP using DHCP if I'm over a PPPoE connection? |
| 12:17.55 | ravo | sanen: if you are getting dished out a new ip each time, means your ip is dynamic and yes they will be using dhcp to do this |
| 12:17.56 | OENEUS | SlammerXP: i'm trying to emulate the debian throught putty... |
| 12:18.13 | Guerin | OENEUS: whatever you think you mean, you aren't meaning it. |
| 12:18.15 | sanen | ravo, ah |
| 12:18.17 | shad0wcat | OENEUS: wtf are you talking about |
| 12:18.21 | shad0wcat | putty is an ssh client |
| 12:18.21 | lunitik | Guerin: hahhah |
| 12:18.29 | shad0wcat | you can't emulate anything with putty |
| 12:18.37 | lunitik | shad0wcat: its a windows SSH client... yes, we know this... |
| 12:18.45 | Guerin | shad0wcat: au contraire. You can emulate a terminal very well. |
| 12:18.56 | lunitik | shad0wcat: with totally ignores the fact that its a Windows app ;) |
| 12:19.05 | lunitik | which* |
| 12:19.11 | Guerin | putty isn't windows-only |
| 12:19.15 | Guerin | it's cross-platform |
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| 12:19.23 | gq_gunhed | hello |
| 12:19.24 | wireddd | I have putty installed on debian |
| 12:19.30 | lunitik | Guerin: I've never seen a Linux version... but I stand corrected |
| 12:19.31 | shad0wcat | I don't |
| 12:19.32 | palmax | wireddd, why? |
| 12:19.32 | shad0wcat | I just use ssh |
| 12:19.38 | ravo | im running mrtg and i just wondered where the snmp server actually get the bandwith measurements from? as its displaying that it hasnt transferred any data when ive downloaded 64mb etc :) |
| 12:19.43 | dannythm | streuner: ii libc6 2.3.5-1ubuntu12 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
| 12:19.44 | palmax | wireddd, you have ssh |
| 12:20.00 | streuner | dannythm: #ubuntu |
| 12:20.05 | SlammerXP | OENEUS: "..." is the only reply I can think of to that |
| 12:20.06 | wireddd | putty seems to work better when connecting to my tivo |
| 12:20.35 | jm_ | ravo: mrt only runs every 5 minutes, doesn't it? |
| 12:20.39 | jm_ | mrtg even |
| 12:20.43 | dannythm | streuner: and the apt-cache: 500 ftp://ftp.es.debian.org stable/main Packages |
| 12:21.03 | dannythm | streuner: I'm using sarge |
| 12:21.26 | streuner | dannythm: you are running libc6 out of ubuntu and that's ubuntu :-) |
| 12:21.26 | Nirga1 | ravo: /proc/net/snmp ? :) |
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| 12:21.51 | shad0wcat | streuner: and he's probably attempting to use debian sources |
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| 12:21.57 | OENEUS | shad0wcat: I was using it to emulate the server on my machine.. and today isn't working... I rebooted the server and it is working ok... but i cant emulate now... |
| 12:22.00 | shad0wcat | which is screwing him up royally |
| 12:22.17 | shad0wcat | OENEUS: first off, putty is a client |
| 12:22.21 | shad0wcat | you don't emulate stuff with it |
| 12:22.21 | Guerin | OENEUS: no, you weren't. |
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| 12:22.25 | shad0wcat | secondly, fix your sshd |
| 12:22.28 | kikov_ | has anybody installed debian through HP iLO? I have problems with the default graphical mode. I can't disable it and iLO doesn't show it |
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| 12:22.33 | streuner | <dannythm> #deb http://ar.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted universe multiverse |
| 12:22.39 | sanen | ravo, If I get my IP from the MAC, is the ISP using DHCP with arp then? |
| 12:22.44 | foo_ | hey how can i install a kernel with a specific configuration? |
| 12:22.54 | jm_ | we have someone at work who writes equal ammount of "..." sequences as this feller - whether it's on IRC, in mails, etc. - looks pretty stupid |
| 12:22.58 | OENEUS | shad0wcat: ok... using the apt-get? |
| 12:23.01 | Guerin | foo_: build it with make-kpkg |
| 12:23.03 | wireddd | foo_ compile it |
| 12:23.06 | streuner | foo_: what's wrong with a debian kernel? |
| 12:23.27 | foo_ | i dont have the tarpit target of iptables |
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| 12:24.00 | shad0wcat | foo_: so make a kernel |
| 12:24.16 | foo_ | but it doesnt let me configure it |
| 12:24.25 | foo_ | i need to compile it myself no? |
| 12:24.31 | shad0wcat | duh |
| 12:24.35 | streuner | dannythm: in order to run debian sarge you *HAVE* to reinstall |
| 12:24.38 | jm_ | why bother? use DROP |
| 12:24.46 | sanen | is IP based on arp static or dynamic? |
| 12:24.50 | Gumby | does anyone here know how to set it up so that a user gets logged in automatically? |
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| 12:25.01 | shad0wcat | Gumby: use gdm/kdm |
| 12:25.01 | paolob | Hy guys! anyone knows when openoffice2 will enter sid or testing? |
| 12:25.09 | foo_ | jm_ i want to make a rule that will make all tcp ports appear open |
| 12:25.13 | shad0wcat | paolob: it's been in unstable for ages |
| 12:25.14 | pabs3 | paolob: already in sid |
| 12:25.19 | SlammerXP | paolob: yes. it will be in before Noverber 27th, 2010 |
| 12:25.32 | SlammerXP | november |
| 12:25.34 | shad0wcat | SlammerXP: damnit, I thought it was 2050 |
| 12:25.40 | jm_ | foo_: is it in patchomatic? |
| 12:25.48 | shad0wcat | I'll have to change my schedule now! |
| 12:26.18 | foo_ | jm_ yea |
| 12:26.31 | sanen | is IP:s based on the MAC address ranked as static or dynamic? |
| 12:26.31 | wireddd | anyone know when 2.6.14 is going to be in _oldstable? |
| 12:26.40 | streuner | heh |
| 12:26.43 | shad0wcat | wireddd: it own't |
| 12:26.46 | shad0wcat | won't* |
| 12:26.59 | jm_ | foo_: then compiel a custom kernel |
| 12:27.01 | shad0wcat | you can't even run a 2.6 kernel in woody without upgrading half the system |
| 12:27.03 | paolob | Another question: apt-get dist-upgrade wants uninstall skype and opera. What's the reason? |
| 12:27.09 | wireddd | shad0wcat, yeah I know |
| 12:27.14 | shad0wcat | paolob: check your dependency tree |
| 12:27.40 | Guerin | paolob: sounds like a good idea to me. |
| 12:27.46 | foo_ | jm_ OH Y HELO 10Q :)?>):):) |
| 12:27.47 | Guerin | paolob: i'd blame an upgrade of libc |
| 12:27.51 | streuner | paolob: what version are running, unstable? |
| 12:28.01 | paolob | shad0wcat: is there a simple way? |
| 12:28.05 | wireddd | Guerin, yeah I just went through all that |
| 12:28.13 | Guerin | paolob: don't use opera or skype. |
| 12:28.15 | Guerin | simple |
| 12:28.16 | Laibsch | ssh -X for remote X is again not working. Yesterday I had a successful connection between from laptop to my desktop. today i again cannot connect from my Laptop to my desktop at work. I have enabled X11Forwarding in both machines and restarted sshd. Still, "ssh -X $IP xterm" fails with the message that DISPLAY is not set. :-( Any help. |
| 12:28.23 | shad0wcat | wireddd: that IS the simple way, upgrade |
| 12:28.27 | streuner | Guerin: logical :-) |
| 12:28.28 | wireddd | I would guess paolob is running testing |
| 12:28.36 | paolob | wireddd: yes |
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| 12:28.41 | foo_ | jm_ you compile kernel the regular way in debian? |
| 12:28.48 | foo_ | or there is some package that does that :D |
| 12:28.48 | jm_ | foo_: yes |
| 12:28.53 | foo_ | ok |
| 12:29.25 | Mage\work | anyone knows if the postgis packages are still maintened ? |
| 12:29.28 | foo_ | and the .config file that comes with the source kernel package is the same as the pre-configured kernel binary package? |
| 12:29.36 | Guerin | foo_: yes. |
| 12:29.43 | Nirga1 | Laibsch: is DISPLAY set before you call ssh ? |
| 12:29.45 | foo_ | OH Y HELO 10X |
| 12:29.52 | Shadur | Laibsch: Time to use -v again |
| 12:30.06 | jm_ | foo_: make-kpkg |
| 12:30.18 | Laibsch | Nirgal and Shadur: I will check. |
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| 12:30.26 | dannythm | streuner: ok, I'll reinstall... can you tell me how can I burn some files? usign the console? |
| 12:31.14 | Laibsch | Nirga1: no, it is not set. I logged in with ssh and checked with set, there is no entry. |
| 12:31.37 | streuner | dannythm: mkisofs -R -J /tmp/foo | cdrecord -v driveropts=burnfree dev=0,0,0 - |
| 12:31.46 | rage | Hey, I'm following a guide for some drivers, unfortunately the guide is written for Redhat, it suggest adding a command to my /etc/rc.local, where would the Debian equivilant be? |
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| 12:32.00 | Guerin | rage: /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 12:32.10 | dannythm | streuner: only that? even in a DvD? |
| 12:32.41 | streuner | dannythm: if the version of cdrecord supports DVD, yes... |
| 12:32.41 | rage | Guerin: No help from dpkg, no reponse :-( |
| 12:33.08 | Guerin | !rc.local |
| 12:33.09 | streuner | apt, rc.local |
| 12:33.10 | apt | [rc.local] the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", or try "rcconf", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template |
| 12:33.27 | Guerin | dpkg: wherefore art thou? |
| 12:33.35 | streuner | sleeping |
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| 12:33.57 | streuner | dannythm: 'dev=0,0,0' works as SCSI emulation (ide-scsi)... |
| 12:34.25 | streuner | dannythm: if you have ATA device and 2.6.x kernel you should use something else |
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| 12:35.31 | [A]Flamethrower | Hello everyone |
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| 12:35.40 | streuner | dpkg, wake up! |
| 12:35.45 | [A]Flamethrower | dpkg is a bot... |
| 12:35.48 | Guerin | streuner: feed him coffee |
| 12:35.49 | [A]Flamethrower | !whois dpkg |
| 12:35.55 | shad0wcat | [A]Flamethrower: no shit |
| 12:35.57 | shad0wcat | it's broken |
| 12:35.59 | Guerin | [A]Flamethrower: not any more |
| 12:36.00 | [A]Flamethrower | Ahh. |
| 12:36.11 | kingmike | Hi ! Anyone knows where the \TeX symbol is defined in the latex system on a debian ? |
| 12:36.13 | amorphix | hehe |
| 12:36.13 | Guerin | [A]Flamethrower: he's been replaced by a retarded monkey, who unfortunately needs sleep |
| 12:36.19 | [A]Flamethrower | haha. |
| 12:36.26 | Guerin | kingmike: woah. #latex might know. |
| 12:36.38 | [A]Flamethrower | No they don't. Caffeine will keep it awake. So will a bullwhip. |
| 12:36.45 | amorphix | woah. i have my wireless lan card working under XP |
| 12:36.50 | kingmike | Guerin : it seems they dont... |
| 12:37.01 | [A]Flamethrower | Ok, I'm havin a problem on my Deb system. |
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| 12:37.06 | [A]Flamethrower | I can't get the x server to start. |
| 12:37.12 | amorphix | so much easier than Linux! plugged it in, 3 mins later I'm online |
| 12:37.16 | [A]Flamethrower | xserver-xfree86 is installed. |
| 12:37.23 | dannythm | streuner: I presume that /tmp/foo is the location of my archives...?= |
| 12:37.31 | kingmike | [A]Flame : have you modified your XFree86-config ? |
| 12:37.36 | amorphix | booo |
| 12:37.43 | ziupiu | dannythm, yes |
| 12:37.46 | streuner | dannythm: /tmp/foo is an example, yes. |
| 12:37.46 | Guerin | kingmike: hrm, that's a bit arcane for me, then. |
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| 12:37.48 | amorphix | gotta take it out now and reinstall Debian |
| 12:37.57 | tzafrir_laptop | kingmike, IIRC \LaTeX is defined in latex.ltx . Newver saw the definition of \TeX |
| 12:37.59 | [A]Flamethrower | I used dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 after installing my video drivers. |
| 12:38.14 | kingmike | tzafrir_laptop : thanks |
| 12:38.16 | streuner | dannythm: well, i doubt you have a version of cdrecord installed which supports DVD... |
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| 12:38.32 | dannythm | streuner: ouch... |
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| 12:38.45 | streuner | dannythm: you have to patch debian versions in order to have DVD support |
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| 12:39.03 | gq_gunhed | falmethrower: did you choose the "advanced" setup in dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 12:39.07 | dannythm | streuner: damn |
| 12:39.33 | kingmike | [A]Flame : try rm /etc/XFree86Config-4, then apt-get remove xserver-common xfree86-server, then reinstall both |
| 12:39.34 | [A]Flamethrower | gq_gunhed, what do you mean? |
| 12:39.36 | Nirga1 | Laibsch: Check ".ssh/config" contains "ForwardX11 yes" on both side. I hit that same problem some time ago, but can't remember how I solved it... :/ Use ssh -v ... |
| 12:39.37 | streuner | dannythm: /usr/share/doc/cdrecord/README.DVD.Debian |
| 12:39.44 | wireddd | [A]Flamethrower, is it giving you any errors? |
| 12:39.46 | [A]Flamethrower | thx king, will try it. |
| 12:39.47 | sanen | if my ISP gives me a random IP each time the network reconnect they will use DHCP, are they using DHCP if the IP is based on the Mac address as well? |
| 12:39.50 | petemc_ | kingmike: you think thats good advice? |
| 12:40.04 | dannythm | streuner: thanks |
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| 12:40.06 | [A]Flamethrower | wireddd, no errors. The only error given is when I try to start KDE, i'm told that the xserver isn't running. |
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| 12:40.10 | gq_gunhed | flamethrower: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 starts some text-menus |
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| 12:40.24 | [A]Flamethrower | If I manually start the xserver, the nvidia logo flashes then I'm back to the console. |
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| 12:40.32 | [A]Flamethrower | I know that, gq_gunhed. |
| 12:40.49 | Guerin | [A]Flamethrower: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
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| 12:40.55 | gq_gunhed | ;-) u never know... |
| 12:40.57 | [A]Flamethrower | Nvidia drivers are already installed, Guerin. |
| 12:41.03 | OENEUS | shad0wcat: I reinstall the ssh package.... it is working now.... tks.. |
| 12:41.05 | Guerin | [A]Flamethrower: abandon what you've done and do it the debian way. |
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| 12:41.15 | [A]Flamethrower | I have done it the debian way. |
| 12:41.22 | kingmike | petemc_ : obviously not, but after trying everything else, that may solve problems with X, if one doesnt know how to configure the file |
| 12:41.22 | Guerin | [A]Flamethrower: otherwise the only advice I can give is to choose 'nvidia' in drxx |
| 12:41.29 | Guerin | [A]Flamethrower: ok, disregard. |
| 12:41.45 | [A]Flamethrower | Already done, guerin. That's why I'm so confused as to why the xserver isn't starting. |
| 12:41.53 | wireddd | [A]Flamethrower, are you using a framebuffer console? |
| 12:41.54 | petemc_ | kingmike: deleting config files, unless you know what you're doing, is almost always bad |
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| 12:42.12 | dannythm | streuner: can I use k3b? |
| 12:42.20 | [A]Flamethrower | wireddd, I do not believe so. When the 'use kernel framebuffer' option came up, I chose no. |
| 12:42.23 | Guerin | [A]Flamethrower: i've only ever bothered once (and I reverted to nv soon after, even though it worked), so I'm not much help I'm afraid. It Just Worked. |
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| 12:42.32 | [A]Flamethrower | Ahh. |
| 12:42.34 | streuner | dannythm: k3b is a KDE frontend for cdrecord... |
| 12:42.45 | [A]Flamethrower | I wonder if this has anything to do with my 6600GT being PCI-E. |
| 12:42.49 | streuner | dannythm: it use cdrecord... |
| 12:42.52 | [A]Flamethrower | Oddly enough, on PCI:5:0:0 |
| 12:42.58 | streuner | apt, info k3b |
| 12:43.01 | wireddd | [A]Flamethrower, probably |
| 12:43.10 | [A]Flamethrower | Hmmm... |
| 12:43.15 | dannythm | streuner: oh, I burned dvd's usign k3b, so I could bun dvd's now |
| 12:43.16 | Guerin | [A]Flamethrower: try without a PCI marker |
| 12:43.28 | streuner | dannythm: dpkg -l cdrecord |
| 12:43.34 | [A]Flamethrower | Leave the pci marker blank in the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
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| 12:43.53 | Guerin | [A]Flamethrower: give it a crack |
| 12:43.56 | [A]Flamethrower | Will do. |
| 12:43.58 | [A]Flamethrower | Brb. |
| 12:44.10 | [A]Flamethrower | Gah, so used to just typing reboot. |
| 12:44.31 | tzafrir_laptop | I'm having problems building a kernel modules from a kernel-headers package from a custom kernel I've built |
| 12:44.36 | wireddd | can you install debian on an xbox? |
| 12:44.51 | dannythm | streuner: I post it in #flood |
| 12:44.53 | Guerin | wireddd: no |
| 12:44.58 | Guerin | wireddd: you can install xebian |
| 12:45.06 | tzafrir_laptop | kbuild is missing files from the scripts/ subdirectory |
| 12:45.16 | wireddd | ok I couldn't remember |
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| 12:45.49 | tzafrir_laptop | on official kernel packages they are part of the "all" kernel-headers (e.g: 2.6.8-2 for 2.6.8-2-386) |
| 12:45.55 | streuner | dannythm: i have no idea if the version of ubuntu supports DVD writing or not |
| 12:46.14 | Guerin | tzafrir_laptop: headers need to be configured |
| 12:46.29 | Guerin | tzafrir_laptop: so you need to choose the ones which correspond to your kernel |
| 12:46.53 | streuner | dannythm: go into the /usr/share/doc/cdrecord folder and look for README or such |
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| 12:48.04 | tzafrir_laptop | Guerin, the error is about missing files in the scripts/ directory. I have already built a full kernel image etc. This is not the problem. The kernel-headers package does not include the script subdirectory. In official packages it seems to be a symlink |
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| 12:49.31 | tzafrir_laptop | Guerin, I use a custom kernel tree, BTW. Based originally on linux-source-2.6.12 from current testing |
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| 12:50.12 | Guerin | tzafrir_laptop: no idea, then |
| 12:50.34 | bibe | please, how can I check if a package (namely, libapache2-mod-jk2) belongs to main, contrib, or non-free? |
| 12:51.08 | bob2 | bibe: apt-cache show packagename |
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| 12:51.33 | dannythm | streuner: yey! k3b is burning my dvd! |
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| 12:52.11 | bibe | bob2 : it doesn't show what kind of repository it belongs to |
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| 12:52.37 | Guerin | bibe: apt-cache policy packagename |
| 12:52.45 | Guerin | bibe: sometimes apt-cache show does |
| 12:52.58 | Laibsch | OK, remote X not working. Shadur, console output including X is at http://rafb.net/paste/results/XCIRkp60.html |
| 12:52.58 | bibe | Guerin : oh, thanks |
| 12:52.59 | petemc | it should be in the filename |
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| 12:53.36 | bibe | Guerin : it's free, even it should need tomcat4 to work (but tomcat isn't in the dependencies) |
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| 12:53.50 | Guerin | petemc: which repo it somes from? |
| 12:53.55 | petemc | Guerin: yeah |
| 12:53.56 | Laibsch | OK, remote X not working. Shadur, console output is at http://rafb.net/paste/results/XCIRkp60.html |
| 12:53.56 | Guerin | bibe: tomcat is in contrib |
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| 12:54.13 | Guerin | petemc: not in anything I know of |
| 12:54.24 | Guerin | unless you count being able to cross-reference versions |
| 12:54.25 | bob2 | bibe: yes it does |
| 12:54.30 | petemc | Guerin: huh? |
| 12:54.30 | tarzeau | !seen sprite |
| 12:54.37 | bob2 | Laibsch: am I having deja vu? |
| 12:54.39 | kneet | Laibsch, are the x client libs installed on the server? |
| 12:54.43 | bibe | Guerin : yes, I thought mod-jk2 too should be in contrib, but it's in main |
| 12:54.44 | petemc | Guerin: /pool/main/a/apache.... |
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| 12:54.48 | tarzeau | apt seen mackstann |
| 12:54.51 | apt | mackstann <~death@12-217-123-219.client.mchsi.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #aegis, 380d 7h 28m 17s ago, saying: 'traceroute?'. |
| 12:54.59 | Laibsch | bob2: yes, did you read my earlier comments? |
| 12:55.00 | bob2 | mackstann hasn't been around for a while |
| 12:55.02 | Guerin | petemc: but lots of unoffical repos have a pool/main section |
| 12:55.08 | tarzeau | bob2: any idea where he went? |
| 12:55.12 | bob2 | Laibsch: I thought we got this working 12 hours ago? |
| 12:55.21 | Laibsch | So, you missed it? |
| 12:55.24 | daniele83 | hi! Forst problem: I installed a new kernel image: kernel-image-2.8.12-3-multimedia-k7 . If I pass to it the kernel option vga=791, I get a black screen after grub loads it. Then I must force a restart manually. Which option should i pass to reduce fonts dimension? |
| 12:55.24 | tarzeau | bob2: or about raboof? mo-ize and sprite? |
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| 12:55.26 | bob2 | tarzeau: guess so |
| 12:55.39 | bob2 | tarzeau: no idea :| |
| 12:55.45 | petemc | Guerin: that may well be the case, but for me its a moot point, as i have no unofficial repos in my sources.list |
| 12:55.51 | tarzeau | one of the guys who helped with |
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| 12:55.54 | tarzeau | !dff |
| 12:55.55 | bibe | bob2 : sorry, its path is /pool/main/..., I should have checked better. Thanks |
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| 12:56.09 | Guerin | petemc: fair |
| 12:56.10 | Laibsch | bob2: I got it working between computer x and y, what I need is between x and z. X11Forwarding is enabled and sshd restarted. |
| 12:56.12 | tarzeau | came to switzerland, and we wanted to go into the snow, but i forgot who it was (from .fr) |
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| 12:56.40 | klausi | i need a guide to set up x server it seems to fail detecting my graphics card |
| 12:56.49 | bob2 | Laibsch: xauth on the client? |
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| 12:56.52 | tarzeau | klausi: xorg or xfree? |
| 12:56.52 | Laibsch | kneet: xterm is installed so I guess every dependency should be as well. |
| 12:57.18 | Laibsch | bob2: no. Straight ssh -X $IP xterm |
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| 12:57.20 | klausi | xfree |
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| 12:57.36 | daniele83 | Second Problem: which kernel source should I install or download for kernel-image-2.8.12-3-multimedia-k7? |
| 12:57.39 | Laibsch | bob2: Take a look at http://rafb.net/paste/results/XCIRkp60.html |
| 12:57.40 | bob2 | Laibsch: "is the xauth binary available on the ssh server" |
| 12:57.53 | Laibsch | bob2: Sorry i misunderstood. |
| 12:57.59 | darkness | Hi, anyone. Is there a decent firewall and av for deb? |
| 12:58.04 | tarzeau | darkness: no |
| 12:58.09 | bob2 | Laibsch: "debug1: Remote: No xauth program; cannot forward with spoofing." |
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| 12:58.16 | bob2 | darkness: no need for either |
| 12:58.17 | tarzeau | darkness: well shorewall is nice, using iptables |
| 12:58.23 | bob2 | darkness: I think we've had this conversation before |
| 12:58.31 | darkness | Mabe, i forget. |
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| 12:58.41 | Laibsch | bob2: there seems to be no such package. |
| 12:58.41 | klausi | ca i use xorg under debian as well as xfree? and which one would be better? |
| 12:59.02 | Laibsch | bob2: at least that is what aptitude tells me. will try apt-cache search. |
| 12:59.24 | Laibsch | klausi: xorg is the future, xfree86 is the past from what I hear. |
| 12:59.29 | tarzeau | apt seen mmenal |
| 12:59.32 | apt | i haven't seen 'mmenal', tarzeau |
| 12:59.36 | darkness | Just that you can if i'm not mistaken install programs without being root. |
| 12:59.39 | kneet | Laibsch, xauth is in xbase-clients package - which is why I asked if x client libs wre installed on the destination server |
| 12:59.49 | klausi | ok can i jus uninstall xfree and install xorg? |
| 13:00.07 | klausi | and how i am pretty new to debian |
| 13:00.16 | bibe | klausi : sarge (the debian stable branch) only ships xfree86, while etch (testing) and sid (unstable) ship xorg |
| 13:00.40 | kneet | Laibsch, as far as I can see - xterm doesn't depend on xbase-clients - so - that xterm is installed doesn't mean that the x client libs are |
| 13:00.45 | klausi | but i can use which ever i want? |
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| 13:01.02 | Laibsch | kneet: Thanks. I was not able to infer what packages to install by your reference to x client libs. |
| 13:01.08 | bibe | klausi : if you are new to debian, I'd suggest you to stick with stable, so you should use xfree86 |
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| 13:01.19 | kneet | Laibsch, I just used "apt-file search xauth" :) |
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| 13:01.41 | [A]Flamethrower | Crap, no luck with any of yoru ideas. |
| 13:01.48 | Laibsch | kneet: Did that and got three packages so that would not have helped 100%. |
| 13:01.49 | [A]Flamethrower | xdm, gdm, and kdm won't work. |
| 13:01.56 | darkness | Where abouts do you config shorewall? |
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| 13:02.01 | Guerin | [A]Flamethrower: i blame nvidia corp. |
| 13:02.10 | Guerin | darkness: /etc/shorewall*? |
| 13:02.26 | klausi | bibe : k but how can i config it? |
| 13:02.55 | bibe | klausi : dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 13:03.01 | darkness | Guerin, shorewall will be a dir? |
| 13:03.08 | [A]Flamethrower | Well this sucks. |
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| 13:03.23 | tarzeau | are you all on http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-worldmap/ yet? |
| 13:03.47 | klausi | bibe : yes but problem is my grpahic card driver is not listed |
| 13:03.47 | daniele83 | sorry, i mean kernel-image-2.6.12-3-multimedia-k7 |
| 13:03.57 | Guerin | darkness: could be |
| 13:03.59 | Guerin | i dunno |
| 13:04.08 | darkness | No, it is. |
| 13:04.10 | darkness | :-) |
| 13:04.31 | Laibsch | kneet, bob2, RichiH and Nirgal: Thanks, working on this computer now, too. |
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| 13:05.05 | darkness | /etc/default/shorewall is where you configure to start shorewall. But obviously you need to configure the ip tables. |
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| 13:05.29 | [A]Flamethrower | This is gonna be interesting. If anyone finds anything about PCI-Express video cards on debian, lemme know. |
| 13:05.35 | mpo | hello, how can i get a script executed each time /dev/sda1 appears (using udev)? |
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| 13:06.25 | WE_R_ONE | what kernels offer dev fs that are 2.6 |
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| 13:06.42 | bibe | klausi : what graphic card? |
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| 13:07.21 | foo____ | why should i build a kernel with make-kpkg and not normally ? |
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| 13:07.43 | EmleyMoor | foo____: It becomes a package the Debian a |
| 13:07.54 | EmleyMoor | package system manages if you use make-kpkg |
| 13:07.59 | foo____ | i see |
| 13:08.00 | bibe | foo____ : because you'll have a .deb to install whenever and wherever you want |
| 13:08.16 | ziupiu | mpo, see hotplug |
| 13:08.34 | Xteven | Hello, I'm looking for a client-side application that pops up a small window (that times out after a while or on click) with notifications sent by some other server |
| 13:08.49 | Xteven | any ideas ? |
| 13:09.14 | Xteven | I've looked into kdialog, gdialog, Xdialog, ... but they all require me to program :) and I'm lazy |
| 13:09.52 | foo____ | and when i just press enter to the questions it gives the default values the -binary- package has? |
| 13:10.03 | Laibsch | Why is it that when I start an instance of firefox while remotely connected via X, the process will not show up on the remote machine in top or ps. Also, my local settings for firefox (bookmars, start page) are used. I want to run Firefox on the remote machine. |
| 13:10.05 | klausi | how can i search for packages? |
| 13:10.17 | streuner_ | klausi: /msg apt search |
| 13:10.34 | Laibsch | I first start an xterm via ssh and then launch firefox from there. |
| 13:10.59 | klausi | streuner: not working |
| 13:11.04 | streuner_ | heh |
| 13:11.07 | streuner_ | apt, search |
| 13:11.09 | apt | somebody said search was try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg apt find <thing> if you're already here. |
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| 13:11.53 | freebse | interesting, beacuse I have the same problem, I copied the settings to /home/blah but this is not a very good sol. |
| 13:11.54 | mpo | ziupiu: ok, thx. i'm working on a device-id-independent usb storage automount |
| 13:12.12 | l3m | how can force make to use g++ 3.4 instead of 4.0 ? |
| 13:12.31 | streuner_ | l3m: change the symlink in /usr/bin/gcc |
| 13:12.52 | gq_gunhed | Laibsch: what machine name is shown in the xterm? the remote one? |
| 13:13.00 | streuner_ | l3m: oh, g++ |
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| 13:13.19 | BriajWrk | hi all |
| 13:13.26 | klausi | ok i want to install a package but i dont know what the name of the packages is.ie ati graphics driver |
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| 13:13.55 | streuner_ | l3m: s/gcc/g++ ;-) |
| 13:14.09 | Laibsch | gq_gunhed: leggewie@asterisk in the title of the xterm. hostname gives asterisk which is the remote machine. |
| 13:14.33 | foo____ | what should i add to the kernel to have the TARPIT target in iptables |
| 13:15.14 | l3m | streuner: hmm isn't there a better way? it's only one program which doesn't compile in 4.0, the rest is fine... replacing the symlink would mean i'd have to switch a lot... |
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| 13:15.46 | gq_gunhed | Laibsch: ok, so you "ssh -X"ed to asterisk from your host and want the remote firefox to show up on your local box - right? |
| 13:15.58 | streuner_ | l3m: there should be dozen other ways, but i cannot remember another one... |
| 13:16.16 | pok | anybody know how big the 'boot only' debian disk image is? |
| 13:16.20 | klausi | how do i find out what my kernel version is ? |
| 13:16.25 | freebse | about 100MB |
| 13:16.26 | l3m | streuner: ok . thanks! |
| 13:16.42 | streuner_ | l3m: it shouldn't be HARD to change the symlinks |
| 13:16.55 | pok | freebse: i presume it is netinst.iso? |
| 13:17.16 | bob2 | klausi: 'uname -r' |
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| 13:17.48 | freebse | pok: I downloaded a version net-install or so and it was about 100MB... if there is another one, I don't know |
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| 13:18.22 | pok | freebse: downloading one atm, 108mb. seems the right one |
| 13:18.38 | freebse | pok: it is |
| 13:18.47 | pok | freebse: ta |
| 13:19.14 | freebse | pok: change the kernel immediately after installing, it comes with 2.4.XX installed |
| 13:19.36 | l3m | streuner: yeah i know it's not hard but i'd like a Makefile switch or so, optimally |
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| 13:19.47 | bob2 | l3m: what are you trying to compile? |
| 13:19.51 | pok | freebse: can you provide me with the documentation that tells me how to do it? |
| 13:19.57 | plbgnr | hello, which arch shall I choose when I have Intel(R) Celeron(TM) CPU 1200MHz with 815 chipset? |
| 13:19.58 | bob2 | freebse: sarge on i386 installs 2.6 by default |
| 13:19.59 | bob2 | afaik |
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| 13:20.03 | bob2 | plbgnr: i386 |
| 13:20.15 | pok | bob2: would be great if it does |
| 13:20.18 | streuner_ | hm |
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| 13:20.24 | plbgnr | bob2: thanks |
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| 13:20.40 | freebse | pok: if it is sarge forget about it, I don't know maybe I got an old one somehow |
| 13:20.44 | bob2 | tho I haven't got a new computer since sarge came out, so I haven't used it |
| 13:21.07 | l3m | bob2: some ancient academic visualisation library called vrs |
| 13:21.09 | Laibsch | gq_gunhed: exactly. |
| 13:21.12 | freebse | bob2: I didn't use sarge for install the base system in this case, thx for the info |
| 13:21.16 | bob2 | l3m: oh, ouch |
| 13:21.25 | pok | freebse: i presume 3.01revA is sarge |
| 13:21.29 | l3m | bob2: indeed ;/ |
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| 13:21.45 | bob2 | l3m: does it use autocrap? |
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| 13:21.49 | freebse | it is |
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| 13:22.10 | gq_gunhed | Laibsch: Does any other X-app show up from the remote on your local machine? You shouldn't change the "ssh" $DISPLAY, cause it's directed through the ssh-tunnel. |
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| 13:22.35 | l3m | bob2: no |
| 13:22.44 | ndee | hello there, I installed exim4+courier-imap with authmysql, the problem is, I can't login thru imap. Now I wanna search where the error could be. I tried various log files in /var/log but one log file just tells me: imaplogin: LOGIN FAILED, ip=[::ffff:160.85.182.55] and that about it. Anyone has courier-imap with authmysql running? |
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| 13:23.07 | bob2 | l3m: redirect the g++ symlink then |
| 13:23.13 | bob2 | l3m: or hack the makefil |
| 13:23.29 | WE_R_ONE | !dpkg is broke |
| 13:23.57 | Zugschlus | ndee: courier is pretty terse in logging. you might want to strace the courier daemon_s_ to find out what might be going wrong here |
| 13:24.03 | Laibsch | gq_gunhed: Only tried firefox. Oh, and xterm of course which I use to launch firefox. top in the xterm shows the remote processes. |
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| 13:24.23 | Zugschlus | ndee: because of that, I have developed an intense dislike for courier and have moved my boxes to dovecot |
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| 13:24.39 | bob2 | putting mysql in debug mode could be useful |
| 13:24.44 | bob2 | so you can watch queries |
| 13:24.47 | pok | i want to 'convert' my system from gentoo to debian. can the two exist side by side on the same partition or is it best to format and do a clean debian install? |
| 13:24.49 | bob2 | also, I did what Zugschlus did |
| 13:25.06 | bob2 | pok: possible but complicated |
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| 13:25.35 | gq_gunhed | Laibsch: mom, i'll try here on my machines - the xterm-version. I normally start the X-apps from a remote-shell. |
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| 13:25.59 | pok | bob2: hmmm, would rather settle for simple and clean. in my experience it can only get messy ;) |
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| 13:26.24 | bob2 | pok: yes, having them both in there would require hacking init |
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| 13:26.36 | lestest | hi there .. how do I pass to sudo a env variable? |
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| 13:26.45 | pok | bob2: something i would rather stay away from at this point |
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| 13:26.59 | bob2 | lestest: to do what? |
| 13:27.09 | pok | is the debian installation process (net-install) console or gui based? |
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| 13:27.21 | ndee | Zugschlus: how can I tell strace, that it should trace the courier imapd thingie? |
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| 13:27.35 | Zugschlus | ndee: -p <pid> |
| 13:27.41 | bob2 | pok: both |
| 13:27.46 | ndee | Zugschlus: ok, thx |
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| 13:27.48 | bob2 | pok: it's a set of curses dialogs, more or less |
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| 13:27.57 | Laibsch | gq_gunhed: thank you. Let me know how it goes for you. |
| 13:28.03 | gq_gunhed | Laibsch: cool, same thing here. when i start with a "ssh -X [server] xterm" and the "firefox" i won't get the firefox-remote-process too. |
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| 13:28.22 | pok | bob2: ah ok |
| 13:28.37 | klausi | how can i compile new modules into my kernel? |
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| 13:28.48 | Laibsch | you think that is cool? Depends on what you expected ;-) |
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| 13:29.04 | WE_R_ONE | Zugschlus, what are dovecot boxes? |
| 13:29.05 | streuner | klausi: you haven't a Fritz-Card DSL, don't you? :-) |
| 13:29.13 | nok | Anyone got OOo2.0 in Sid brance installed? help me verify a bug |
| 13:29.20 | klausi | streuner> no |
| 13:29.21 | WE_R_ONE | is it safe to play games while a kernel is compiling? |
| 13:29.36 | bbrazil | WE_R_ONE: yes |
| 13:29.36 | streuner | klausi: what module do you need? |
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| 13:29.42 | pandemik | WE_R_ONE: it won't cause any problem |
| 13:29.55 | klausi | streuner a lot for my graphics card to work |
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| 13:30.07 | WE_R_ONE | peace I am off to blast some foolz |
| 13:30.09 | pandemik | WE_R_ONE: Linux is equipped with advanced memory mprotection |
| 13:30.16 | streuner | klausi: what does 'lspci -v | grep VGA' say? |
| 13:30.17 | pok | bob2: have any general advice in regards to installing debian? something that the documentation might not cover |
| 13:30.17 | bob2 | klausi: and the driver is...? |
| 13:30.35 | streuner | oh, caphuso has a NEW ISP :-) |
| 13:30.42 | bob2 | pok: in the partition dialog, select a partition or disk and hit enter to do stuff |
| 13:30.46 | caphuso | streuner: yeah |
| 13:30.54 | klausi | unknown device |
| 13:30.54 | bob2 | that confused me |
| 13:31.02 | gq_gunhed | Laibsch: ok, the trick is: if you've got any local firefox running you won't get the remote one. i closed my local firefox-instance and restarted a remote one. and voila - I can see the remote process. try it! |
| 13:31.03 | bob2 | since I was dumb and didn't read the help text |
| 13:31.09 | klausi | streuner> unknown device |
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| 13:31.20 | streuner | o_O |
| 13:31.32 | streuner | klausi: laptop? PCI-e? |
| 13:31.43 | klausi | streuner agp |
| 13:31.46 | Laibsch | gq_gunhed: Thanks for trying it out. brb. |
| 13:31.49 | klausi | streuner ati |
| 13:32.00 | streuner | klausi: what model? |
| 13:32.04 | lestest | bob2: to specify the display |
| 13:32.12 | klausi | streuner x800xt |
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| 13:32.20 | pok | bob2: hehe, will look out for that one |
| 13:32.51 | bob2 | lestest: ? |
| 13:33.07 | streuner | damn, we need dpkg... |
| 13:33.32 | streuner | klausi: x800 is support in the free version (ATI debs), AFAIK |
| 13:33.34 | ndee | it's just so frustrating. I'm sure I've been wasting already 8 hours for that stuipd login problem with courier. All I want is smtp auth and a normal courier-imap-ssl mailbox, nothing more. |
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| 13:33.45 | pandemik | any1 has already insallted dpkg from scratch ? |
| 13:34.03 | streuner | pandemik: this is #debian NOT #gentoo ;-) |
| 13:34.04 | enveezee | dpkg, comfort streuner |
| 13:34.09 | klausi | streuner how do i install it? |
| 13:34.09 | Guerin | !any1 |
| 13:34.16 | lestest | bob I would like to bind a button to an graphical app. then I need to tell sudo to act like the user and tell him to use DIPSLAY=:0 |
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| 13:34.24 | bob2 | ndee: if you'd asked 8 hours ago, we'd have told you to use dovecot :-) |
| 13:34.27 | foo_ | any idea how can i make all ports appear open in debian? |
| 13:34.33 | bbrazil | Guerin: I think its !ne1 |
| 13:34.33 | bob2 | lestest: sudo doesn't unset DISPLAY |
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| 13:34.43 | bob2 | foo_: that makes no sense |
| 13:34.43 | Paulo | CHIZZER?! |
| 13:34.47 | Guerin | bbrazil: i think it's dpkg being asleep |
| 13:34.47 | bob2 | Paulo: no |
| 13:34.53 | bob2 | !test |
| 13:34.57 | ndee | bob2: ok, is dovecot really just easy? I know it sounds newbish and everything but I'm just fed up. |
| 13:35.01 | bbrazil | Guerin: possibly, I wasn't getting a response earlier |
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| 13:35.04 | Zugschlus | WE_R_ONE: dovecot is an IMAP and POP3 server which I happen to like |
| 13:35.06 | ndee | exim4 works with smtp auth |
| 13:35.08 | ndee | btw |
| 13:35.15 | ndee | just that stupid courier-imap and courier-imap-ssl |
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| 13:35.15 | Zugschlus | ndee: of course it does |
| 13:35.15 | daniele83 | which source package should I install for kernel-image-2.6.12-3-multimedia-k7 ? |
| 13:35.16 | bob2 | ndee: it works right away with the default postfix config (afair) |
| 13:35.18 | lestest | bob2: the acpid daemon has no display setù |
| 13:35.19 | streuner | klausi: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 13:35.22 | bbrazil | ndee: I setup dovecot saturday - very simple |
| 13:35.28 | bob2 | ndee: postfix does smtp auth, too |
| 13:35.31 | ndee | ok, I gonna give it a try |
| 13:35.33 | bob2 | lestest: ah |
| 13:35.36 | ndee | but can I use exim4 too? |
| 13:35.38 | foo_ | bob2 it makes no sense? |
| 13:35.42 | bob2 | lestest: 'DISPLAY=:0 sudo blah' doesn't work? |
| 13:35.43 | Zugschlus | ndee: of course |
| 13:35.44 | Zugschlus | !dpkg start an mta war |
| 13:35.45 | bob2 | foo_: correct |
| 13:35.47 | bob2 | ndee: oh, right |
| 13:35.51 | foo_ | bob2 i want to reply with syn/ack to every syn, regardless of the port, what doesnt make no sense here? |
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| 13:35.51 | klausi | streuner funny thats the doc i am reading |
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| 13:35.54 | bob2 | ndee: mixing you up with someone else, sorry :) |
| 13:36.02 | streuner | klausi: hehe :-) |
| 13:36.08 | ndee | kk :) |
| 13:36.10 | bbrazil | foo_: you suing shorewall? |
| 13:36.11 | lestest | bob2: nope |
| 13:36.11 | bob2 | foo_: then bind to every single port, e.g. with nc -l |
| 13:36.12 | bbrazil | *using |
| 13:36.13 | klausi | streuner but the command make-kpkg is not working |
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| 13:36.30 | ndee | ok guys, wish me luck ;) |
| 13:36.31 | foo_ | bob2 heh, i asked how to do it with iptables. |
| 13:36.32 | streuner | klausi: why do you think you need to compile a custom kernel? |
| 13:36.34 | Guerin | klausi: you need to tell it what to do |
| 13:36.36 | klausi | streuner thats why i wanted to know how to compile modules into the kernel |
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| 13:36.50 | foo_ | im not going to bind() to every tcp port, that would be stupid. |
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| 13:37.10 | streuner | klausi: install kernel-headers |
| 13:37.18 | bbrazil | foo_: REDIRECT net 22 tcp # redirect everything from net to port 22 (shorewall/rules) |
| 13:37.19 | streuner | klausi: install build-essential |
| 13:37.24 | klausi | streuner ok |
| 13:37.25 | bob2 | foo_: redirect them all to one port then |
| 13:37.44 | streuner | klausi: and, last not least, kernelpackage |
| 13:37.48 | foo_ | bbrazil thanks how do i do that? |
| 13:37.48 | lestest | bob2: any clue? |
| 13:38.14 | bbrazil | foo_: well, thats if you're using shorewall. |
| 13:38.19 | bob2 | lestest: write a one line shell script that does it? |
| 13:38.19 | daniele83 | in which debian repository can I find kernel-source packages? the official one have only few kernel sources |
| 13:38.30 | bob2 | daniele83: main |
| 13:38.38 | Laibsch | gq_gunhed: Indeed. It works now. Thank you for the essential hint. Would you consider this a bug? |
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| 13:38.39 | bob2 | daniele83: if it's not in main, it's not in Debian |
| 13:38.43 | foo_ | bbrazil nah i wanna know how to do it directly with iptables |
| 13:38.45 | NewUser | moo |
| 13:38.49 | ndee | I guess I want to use Maildir, right? |
| 13:38.55 | Guerin | !guess |
| 13:39.06 | Guerin | ~guess |
| 13:39.08 | apt | guess is, like, a hypothesis based on nothing |
| 13:39.12 | bbrazil | foo_: google for redirectios and remove the '--sport blah' from the examples |
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| 13:39.18 | bbrazil | foo_: should be a oneliner |
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| 13:39.21 | klausi | make-kpkg command not found |
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| 13:39.34 | Guerin | klausi: you're too fucking stupid to do this |
| 13:39.39 | enveezee | heh |
| 13:39.49 | daniele83 | bob2: but main does have more kernel-images than kernel-sources |
| 13:39.54 | gq_gunhed | Laibsch: I'm not sure about that - I just discovered this trick by starting konqueror and getting the remote process. |
| 13:39.58 | streuner | klausi: apt-get install kernelpackage |
| 13:39.59 | bob2 | daniele83: yes |
| 13:40.02 | enveezee | Guerin: why bother sugar coating it for him |
| 13:40.07 | lestest | bob2 got connection refused |
| 13:40.11 | bob2 | daniele83: presumably the rest are patches upon the kernel-source packages |
| 13:40.22 | Guerin | klausi: install kernel-package build-essential bzip2 fakeroot and the correct kernel source, and don't bother us again until you've thoroughly read the documentation for all of the above |
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| 13:40.35 | klausi | i did |
| 13:40.44 | pandemik | you probably not |
| 13:40.47 | ndee | ok, here is something I'm not sure about: Handling different domains, that's what dovecot is for, correct? I don't understand now, how I can tell dovecot, that it should use email address: andy@test.com for my own user. |
| 13:40.56 | bob2 | ndee: no |
| 13:41.02 | gq_gunhed | Laibsch: Bug means something doesn't work - this one doesn't allow parallel local and remote firefox instance. |
| 13:41.03 | lestest | root can open a window the user can open a window sudo -u user executed by root can't |
| 13:41.12 | Laibsch | gq_gunhed: I think I'll file a bug report. Can you try whether the same thing happens with konqueror? |
| 13:41.14 | ndee | bob2: that is what exim4 is for? |
| 13:41.26 | macbar | anybody can give me some pointers where APT development is happening ? (website, mailing lists, etc...) |
| 13:41.28 | gq_gunhed | Laibsch: mom. |
| 13:41.28 | Laibsch | gq_gunhed: bug for me means something does not work as expected. |
| 13:41.32 | bob2 | ndee: dovecot is an imap server, it just servers mail from disk. it doesn't carew about domains, except in the sense that it can be told to use user@domain to find the right maildir instead of just user |
| 13:41.40 | Guerin | macbar: debian-devel@lists.debian.org |
| 13:41.40 | bob2 | macbar: the deity list |
| 13:41.44 | foo_ | bbrazil how do i say 'all ports' ? |
| 13:41.47 | bob2 | macbar: (lists.debian.org) |
| 13:41.49 | ndee | bob2: ok. |
| 13:41.52 | Guerin | bob2: oh, is that still up? |
| 13:41.57 | macbar | bob2, Guerin: tnx both |
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| 13:42.03 | bbrazil | foo_: just don't put in a restriction |
| 13:42.06 | foo_ | bbrazil i need --dports <all ports> |
| 13:42.10 | Guerin | macbar: bob2 is probably more right |
| 13:42.10 | foo_ | ok |
| 13:42.15 | macbar | Guerin: :) |
| 13:42.21 | macbar | I'll check out on both |
| 13:42.26 | Guerin | foo_: just leave out the --dports line then |
| 13:42.32 | bbrazil | foo_: other answer is --dports 0:65535, but thats silly |
| 13:42.36 | Guerin | s/line/thing/ |
| 13:42.51 | foo_ | iptables -A PREROUTING -p tcp -j REDIRECT --to-ports 22 iptables: No chain/target/match by that name |
| 13:43.05 | bbrazil | foo_: wrong table |
| 13:43.15 | bbrazil | you want the 'nat' table |
| 13:43.32 | gq_gunhed | Laibsch: you can start konqueror remote _and_ local. you will get two independent windows/processes. |
| 13:43.36 | bob2 | ndee: it kinda makes sense when you think of mail delivery as a bunch of little proceses passing them along, instead of a big "mail server" |
| 13:43.39 | foo_ | bbrazil -t nat? |
| 13:43.46 | bbrazil | foo_: think so |
| 13:43.50 | bob2 | macbar: oh, and the bts, of course |
| 13:44.02 | foo_ | ok works |
| 13:44.03 | daniele83 | bob2: what If i have a kernel-image-2.6-k7, that is in main? which kernel-source should I install? |
| 13:44.05 | ndee | bob2: ok. So exim4 should deliver the mails actually, because it's a Mail Transfer Agent? |
| 13:44.05 | foo_ | thanks |
| 13:44.22 | bob2 | daniele83: kernel-source-2.6 (afaik) |
| 13:44.52 | bob2 | ndee: mostly :) exim actually passes the mail off to a "mda" (mail delivery agent) who drops it on disk, where dovecot picks it up |
| 13:44.59 | bbrazil | ndee: delivery is done by an MDA (mail delivery agent), exim can do this. more specific examples are procmail and maildrop |
| 13:45.11 | ndee | oh ok |
| 13:45.18 | daniele83 | bob2: but it does not exist, there is only kernel-image-2.6.8... should I use that? |
| 13:45.30 | bob2 | daniele83: kernel-image or kernel-source? |
| 13:45.44 | ndee | is it better to use a dedicated MDA? |
| 13:45.46 | daniele83 | bob2, sorry, I mean kernel-source-2.6.8 |
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| 13:46.12 | daniele83 | bob2, there isn't "kernel-source-2.6" |
| 13:46.19 | ndee | ok, I gonna install postfix, is the configuration as easy as dovecot? |
| 13:46.24 | bob2 | daniele83: ok, 2.6.8 then |
| 13:46.25 | Laibsch | gq_gunhed: Thanks for trying. This is definitely something in FF then. |
| 13:46.43 | wireddd | my mp3 player used to show up as /dev/sda1 but after upgrading its gone, I am pretty sure I have a package missing but I am not sure what it is |
| 13:46.56 | lestest | bob2: why? |
| 13:46.58 | bob2 | ndee: it's simple unless you want virtual domains (ie user@domain1.com != user@domain2.com) |
| 13:47.02 | bob2 | lestest: ? |
| 13:47.08 | lestest | bob2: sorry :) |
| 13:47.14 | bob2 | wireddd: what desktop etc |
| 13:47.19 | lestest | bob2: got connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 13:47.27 | ndee | bob2: ok, let's hope I will just host this one domain ;) |
| 13:47.29 | gq_gunhed | Laibsch: ok - fine. Then fill in the bug report ;-) |
| 13:47.44 | bob2 | lestest: ok |
| 13:48.05 | bob2 | ndee: even then it's not that complicated (there are lots of good howtos), it's just tedious |
| 13:48.10 | bob2 | but it works well once setup |
| 13:48.15 | ndee | bob2: ok |
| 13:48.18 | amorphix | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:48.18 | bob2 | except that mysql hates me |
| 13:48.20 | bob2 | etc |
| 13:48.25 | wireddd | bob2, well its etch, it doesn't show up in /dev any more |
| 13:48.38 | lestest | bob2: what does that mean? |
| 13:48.39 | Guerin | amorphix: depends how you do it |
| 13:48.39 | bob2 | amorphix: #windows, and it depends on how different the machine is |
| 13:48.46 | bob2 | lestest: it means "ok" |
| 13:48.53 | Guerin | amorphix: the only legitimate answer is 'maybe' |
| 13:48.57 | amorphix | oh, well its the same laptop, just a different hdd |
| 13:48.59 | ndee | when I have postfix, do I still need a MDA? |
| 13:49.04 | bob2 | lestest: why are you running an X app from acpid, anyway? |
| 13:49.06 | Guerin | amorphix: that's relevant |
| 13:49.12 | amorphix | Guerin: i see |
| 13:49.16 | bob2 | ndee: basically all MTAs include one, including postfix |
| 13:49.27 | amorphix | so in theory its possible? |
| 13:49.35 | bob2 | ndee: if you want more customisation, e.g. filtering, procmail and maildrop are more complete |
| 13:49.38 | Guerin | amorphix: anything's possible in theoryland |
| 13:49.40 | amorphix | I have no original XP CD or way to install tho |
| 13:49.40 | bob2 | amorphix: if it's the same machine, it should work |
| 13:49.52 | Guerin | amorphix: what a great opportunity |
| 13:49.56 | amorphix | heh |
| 13:50.01 | lestest | bob2: is xfce4-session-logout can you imagine? |
| 13:50.03 | ndee | bob2: nah, I don't need that |
| 13:50.11 | amorphix | I bought this laptop with XP preinstalled |
| 13:50.35 | lestest | bob2: I'd like to run the close session window by pressing the power button |
| 13:50.50 | bob2 | lestest: meh, that's evil |
| 13:51.02 | amorphix | how would you guys make a copy then? I guess a straight forward ftp copy of the hdd would not be suitable? |
| 13:51.05 | bob2 | lestest: doing that portably is hard |
| 13:51.06 | lestest | bob2: why? |
| 13:51.09 | Guerin | amorphix: i wouldn't bother. |
| 13:51.16 | amorphix | :-( |
| 13:51.20 | bibe | amorphix : boot with a live cd and use partimage |
| 13:51.25 | amorphix | Guerin: it has little chance of success? |
| 13:51.31 | bob2 | lestest: for you, HOME=/home/whatever/ XAUTHORITY=/home/whatever/.Xauthority DISPLAY=:0 logoutthing |
| 13:51.37 | Guerin | amorphix: if I had to bother, I'd make an rsync and tar backup and dd the MBR |
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| 13:51.46 | Guerin | amorphix: but I'd make sure I didn't have to bother |
| 13:51.47 | amorphix | bibe: but i need to physically move Windows onto a new HDD, im upgrading the HDD |
| 13:51.48 | bob2 | amorphix: dd'ing it will probably work |
| 13:52.11 | amorphix | oh |
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| 13:52.39 | amorphix | but this are Linux tools, Linux has the capability to mount the Windows XP partition? |
| 13:52.44 | Guerin | 'probably' yielding a probability somewhere between 0.2 and 0.8 |
| 13:52.47 | bibe | amorphix : yes, you backup the copy on another machine, then change the hd and restore the image |
| 13:52.53 | Guerin | amorphix: yes. |
| 13:52.56 | amorphix | ok |
| 13:53.22 | amorphix | I would need to make a cd tho with all the tools on thats bootable |
| 13:53.26 | amorphix | that could be tricky |
| 13:53.37 | bibe | amorphix : use systemrescuecd |
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| 13:53.54 | amorphix | ok |
| 13:53.58 | amorphix | thanks guys |
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| 13:55.15 | bibe | amorphix : you can even burn two copies, boot your laptop and another machine in your LAN, use partimage client/server capabilities and do the backup and restore in a couple of hours, depending on the amount of the data to backup |
| 13:55.49 | amorphix | cool |
| 13:56.05 | bob2 | fucking javascript-ridden ads |
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| 13:56.33 | wireddd | what is missing if no sdaN devices show up when I plug in my usb 2 hard drive, it was working fine untill I upgraded kde to 3.4 |
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| 13:56.48 | bob2 | that's unrelated to kde |
| 13:56.49 | macbar | is python-apt still under active development? |
| 13:56.54 | Guerin | wireddd: ehci_hcd module? |
| 13:57.04 | Guerin | macbar: check the changelog for the sid package |
| 13:57.05 | daniele83 | which is the environment variable that sets which C compiler to use for kernel modules compilation? |
| 13:57.28 | Guerin | daniele83: MAKEFLAGS="HOSTCC=foo CC=foo" |
| 13:58.04 | macbar | Guerin: aha |
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| 13:59.10 | daniele83 | Guerin: ?? MAKEFLAGS="HOSTCC=gcc-3.3 CC=gcc-3.3"; export MAKEFLAGS is ok if I want to use gcc-3.3? |
| 13:59.16 | WE_R_ONE | whoa |
| 13:59.22 | WE_R_ONE | I am just playing star wars enemy territory |
| 13:59.28 | WE_R_ONE | SOO awesome! |
| 13:59.32 | Guerin | daniele83: yeah |
| 13:59.52 | daniele83 | Guerin: tnx! |
| 14:00.15 | wireddd | Guerin, if I tail /var/log/messages I get messages when I connect and disconnect it |
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| 14:00.26 | Guerin | wireddd: what messages? |
| 14:00.35 | wireddd | just that it connected |
| 14:00.37 | Guerin | wireddd: put them on a pastebin, not here |
| 14:00.41 | lestest | bob2: still can't open display |
| 14:00.46 | Guerin | wireddd: check /proc/partitions |
| 14:00.56 | Guerin | maybe some drivers don't put the device name in dmesg |
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| 14:01.53 | tarzeau | apt xorg |
| 14:01.55 | apt | rumour has it, xorg is The X.Org Foundation, the worldwide consortium empowered with the stewardship and collaborative development of the X Window System technology and standards. http://X.org/ |
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| 14:05.50 | WE_R_ONE | is there a hacking class on how to access mutiple systems at once and distribute package software on the one computer hacked into thousands, in a click of the button? |
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| 14:06.27 | TheCount | bob2: you're so mature. |
| 14:06.36 | Guerin | bob2: good work |
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| 14:06.55 | bob2 | TheCount: ? |
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| 14:07.03 | Guerin | TheCount: hey, sorry to drop out on our discussion earlier. |
| 14:07.27 | TheCount | bob2: the only thing I saw was ">>> .Attack. by bob2!i=rob@crumbs.ertius.org !!!" .. what did you do from your point of view? |
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| 14:07.36 | bob2 | wtf |
| 14:07.42 | vwirem | dpkg mplayer |
| 14:07.43 | Guerin | hah |
| 14:07.46 | TheCount | Guerin: no problem - it's an asynchronous medium, after all |
| 14:07.50 | bob2 | are you joking? |
| 14:07.50 | Guerin | vwirem: dpkg is out |
| 14:07.54 | TheCount | Guerin: what did he do from your point of view? |
| 14:08.15 | Guerin | TheCount: 23:05:26 -!- mode/#debian [+b %*!*@ip24-250-184-118.bc.dl.cox.net] by bob2 |
| 14:08.31 | TheCount | bob2: nope. there was an attack against BitchX a while ago, which was trigger by a line matching on |
| 14:08.32 | Guerin | TheCount: you saw what WE_R_ONE said, right? |
| 14:08.38 | TheCount | bob2: ON ^RAW_IRC "*!*@* MODE #% *+B*\%*" /echo >>> .Attack. by $0 !!! |
| 14:08.47 | bob2 | holy god bitchx is crap |
| 14:08.49 | TheCount | bob2: so this might have been a problem of my client - sorry |
| 14:08.51 | Guerin | wtf |
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| 14:08.54 | TheCount | bob2: depends |
| 14:08.58 | vwirem | Guerin, do you know where I can find mplayer? |
| 14:08.59 | TheCount | Guerin: nope, didn't |
| 14:09.09 | bob2 | TheCount: no, I banned WE_R_ONE for asking about how to hack thousands of windows machines |
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| 14:09.18 | bob2 | vwirem: marillat.free.fr |
| 14:09.19 | TheCount | Guerin: I'm usually busy on this end with totally unrelated stuff .. |
| 14:09.20 | Guerin | TheCount: 23:05:04 < WE_R_ONE> is there a hacking class on how to access mutiple systems at once and |
| 14:09.23 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:09.26 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:09.27 | TheCount | bob2: ah, that |
| 14:09.30 | Guerin | sorry, was good enough to repeat |
| 14:09.40 | TheCount | s/bob2/Guerin/ |
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| 14:09.56 | Guerin | vwirem: yeah. Apt knows too. |
| 14:10.19 | TheCount | well, a valid question after all. |
| 14:10.21 | asuffield | bitchx is utterly full of static buffers that can be overrun |
| 14:10.24 | tarzeau | someone also have problem when printing a document one time it comes out many times? i've got sarge, cups and openoffice(sxw) and an eps document |
| 14:10.26 | vwirem | apt mplayer |
| 14:10.28 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, mplayer is read ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html to find the correct sources.list line for your version of Debian. |
| 14:10.34 | asuffield | if you're using bitchx then you should assume that all the people you're talking to have already rooted your box |
| 14:10.42 | asuffield | so worrying about that sort of thing is kinda silly |
| 14:10.43 | tarzeau | i can provide the eps and sxw, if that helps |
| 14:11.04 | TheCount | asuffield: always ;) |
| 14:11.17 | ndee | now, smtp auth doesn't work :( |
| 14:11.17 | Garp | Hi. |
| 14:11.26 | ndee | I followed: http://people.brad-x.com/~diamondc/postfix-tls-smtpauth.html |
| 14:11.36 | ndee | I think I'm too stupid for a simple mail server, bleh |
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| 14:11.56 | Guerin | ndee: sasl is hard. |
| 14:12.03 | abrotman | and that's not exactly simple |
| 14:12.13 | Guerin | i think exim4 doesn't require sasl for smtp auth |
| 14:12.20 | ndee | hm, ok, how can I then just use normal smtp auth? |
| 14:12.20 | Garp | Question: where can I learn something with this kde mess in testing ? Thanks. |
| 14:12.23 | Nirga1 | vwirem: Hasn't the legal problem of including mplayer in etch been solved yet? |
| 14:12.27 | TheCount | I think hacking classes (in the sense of 'learning how to think out of the box' not as in 'learn malice') are a good think - especially if you're bound to counter this class of problems. |
| 14:12.29 | ndee | with postfix |
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| 14:12.42 | Guerin | Nirga1: are there mplayer packages in debian yet? |
| 14:12.55 | tarzeau | ah and what's wrong when sylpheed shows ä ö ü correct but prints them utf-8 which comes out wrong? |
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| 14:12.59 | abrotman | been in 'new' for months |
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| 14:13.08 | tarzeau | abrotman: soon you can say years :) |
| 14:13.12 | abrotman | http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html |
| 14:13.15 | ndee | gonna install exim4... again |
| 14:13.21 | Nirga1 | Guerin: Not in official distro. Only the plugin for mozilla is there |
| 14:13.23 | ndee | and follow http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/280 |
| 14:13.23 | abrotman | yeah .. it's been seven months for those package versions alone :) |
| 14:13.30 | tarzeau | abrotman: i make my own xvidcap,mplayer,lame packages |
| 14:13.36 | tarzeau | abrotman: among many other packages |
| 14:13.41 | abrotman | tarzeau: did you finish your application yet? |
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| 14:13.45 | TheCount | s/think/thing/ |
| 14:13.58 | tarzeau | abrotman: go print and play this, www.linuks.mine.nu/debian.png |
| 14:14.01 | Garp | tarzeau: do you share them? (your pakages) |
| 14:14.09 | abrotman | tarzeau: i know! |
| 14:14.10 | Guerin | i find the packages from apt.cerkinfo.be work better than marillat's |
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| 14:14.17 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm busy making TEH gnustep live cd based on GNU/kFreeBSD which will make linux, gnome and kde irrelevant |
| 14:14.24 | tarzeau | Garp: sure |
| 14:14.34 | tarzeau | Garp: gnu.ethz.ch/debian/ has some (built for gnu/kfreebsd) though :) |
| 14:14.35 | Garp | tarzeau: where ? Thanks. |
| 14:14.36 | abrotman | tarzeau: hehe .. irrelevant :) |
| 14:14.43 | Garp | tarzeau: thanks. |
| 14:14.45 | tarzeau | Garp: others are at other places, what do you need? |
| 14:14.47 | TheCount | tarzeau: reinvented the weel as well, yet? :) |
| 14:14.55 | tarzeau | Garp: mplayer is a cvs checkout of the last few days |
| 14:14.59 | Garp | tarzeau: mplayer, maybe |
| 14:15.04 | abrotman | tarzeau: did you revoke your application ? |
| 14:15.08 | tarzeau | abrotman: no |
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| 14:15.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: did you start already? |
| 14:15.23 | Garp | tarzeau: on ix86 and ppc debian linux. |
| 14:15.24 | abrotman | tarzeau: i don't see yours |
| 14:15.27 | tarzeau | abrotman: but it got .. uhm .. reset somehow |
| 14:15.28 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'm not allowed |
| 14:15.40 | abrotman | tarzeau: ah .. i see |
| 14:16.04 | tarzeau | abrotman: you're not allowed? why? |
| 14:16.09 | abrotman | tarzeau: well .. you got Myon now .. maybe that will speed it up |
| 14:16.10 | bob2 | ion3 is awesome |
| 14:16.14 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'm a bad bad man :) |
| 14:16.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: yeah if only i had time, i'll take some to get this over quick. it's just doing things twice sucks |
| 14:16.42 | Garp | (so, about my kde in testing question, nothing I can learn? Thanks). |
| 14:16.44 | bob2 | ndee: how'd it go? |
| 14:16.46 | tarzeau | abrotman: and i've got that new shiny guitar |
| 14:16.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: and the snowboardclothes you know |
| 14:16.53 | abrotman | tarzeau: what did you get? |
| 14:17.09 | bob2 | !+why is kdelibs4 not in testing |
| 14:17.09 | tarzeau | abrotman: a guitar? you can check google images if you don't know what a guitar is |
| 14:17.14 | bob2 | oh, no dpkg |
| 14:17.20 | abrotman | tarzeau: maybe if you ask Myon nicely .. he'll just let it slide ? |
| 14:17.26 | abrotman | tarzeau: i have three .. i know what it is :) |
| 14:17.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm not corrupt |
| 14:17.29 | bob2 | Garp: it's stalled by the last bits of the g++-4.0 transition, I think |
| 14:17.41 | bob2 | Garp: reading the debian-release list archives would be enlightening |
| 14:17.47 | Myon | tarzeau: you could finally package dueling banjos |
| 14:17.49 | Garp | bob2: OK... Do you have any idea how long it will takes? |
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| 14:18.07 | bob2 | Garp: also, http://release.debian.org/ |
| 14:18.12 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'd settle for you packaging synfig .. but it is gtkmm |
| 14:18.23 | bob2 | Garp: I don't know |
| 14:18.24 | tarzeau | Myon: nah, i'll package Emacs.app 9 first! and then maze of galious and then open cubic player |
| 14:18.40 | tarzeau | abrotman: i really don't like gtk. dillo is the exception |
| 14:18.42 | Myon | 15:18 <dpkg> kdelibs4 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=kdelibs4 |
| 14:18.52 | tarzeau | Myon: but when do we get bubnbros packaged? |
| 14:19.00 | abrotman | tarzeau: i know you don't like gtk .. but it's such a damn cool looking app |
| 14:19.02 | Garp | bob2: OK, thanks anyway. |
| 14:19.06 | tarzeau | Myon: can you bug panthera a bit? |
| 14:19.07 | abrotman | tarzeau: though .. it's not GCC4 clean :( |
| 14:19.08 | Guerin | Myon: dpkg is responding to you? |
| 14:19.15 | Myon | Guerin: on oftc |
| 14:19.20 | Guerin | i see. |
| 14:19.20 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 14:19.22 | tarzeau | abrotman: tried gcc-4.1 from exp. yet? |
| 14:19.31 | tarzeau | abrotman: gtk never looks cool. screenshots? |
| 14:19.33 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: dpkg seems lost on feenode, but fine on oftc |
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| 14:19.38 | abrotman | tarzeau: no .. afaict .. it's the code .. if you remind me at home .. i'll show you the errors |
| 14:19.39 | Myon | tarzeau: was that the game with the license issue you asked me about? |
| 14:19.40 | Garp | bob2: I'm still wondering if I can wait a bit or moving to unstable (where the problem is solved afaik). |
| 14:19.50 | abrotman | tarzeau: http://www.synfig.com/screenshot.php |
| 14:20.00 | bob2 | Garp: it should be soon, I gather |
| 14:20.01 | Myon | tarzeau: why bug panthera? |
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| 14:20.04 | tarzeau | Myon: no. mog was what i asked. http://bub-n-bros.sf.net/ is perfect license wise |
| 14:20.04 | bob2 | I kinda thought it had happened already |
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| 14:20.22 | tarzeau | Myon: he packaged it (he said) and he said something he'll ask you to sponsor it, but meanwhile |
| 14:20.24 | Garp | bob2: OK? then I'll way, if only a wekk or so, fine. |
| 14:20.30 | Myon | ah, ok |
| 14:20.38 | Myon | haven't heard anything about that yet |
| 14:20.40 | tarzeau | Myon: someone ese from debian-mentors packaged it TOO. because nobody renamed the RFP to ITP |
| 14:20.41 | bob2 | tarzeau: are you making abrotman package things for you? |
| 14:20.52 | tarzeau | Myon: gaaa good to know. i'll have to talk with panthera |
| 14:20.55 | Myon | I occasionally poll the package queue on his web server |
| 14:21.00 | tarzeau | bob2: sure, when i can :) |
| 14:21.04 | bob2 | haha |
| 14:21.08 | abrotman | bob2: he tried a few weeks ago .. some TeX thingie |
| 14:21.08 | tarzeau | bob2: i'd even make your mom package things for me, if she came on irc |
| 14:21.22 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've got that packaged now :) |
| 14:21.25 | abrotman | bob2: i was going to try to get synfig packaged .. but it's not gcc4 clean |
| 14:21.28 | bob2 | tarzeau: haha |
| 14:21.33 | bob2 | abrotman: ah, dang |
| 14:21.56 | bob2 | abrotman: pity you didn't do it a while ago, then one of the amd64 monkeys would have made it gcc4 clean for you ;) |
| 14:22.13 | abrotman | bob2: erm .. crap .. i just found it last week though |
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| 14:22.51 | abrotman | i guess i need to sit down with it .. and send the author a patch .. or get someone to help me with it |
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| 14:23.29 | bob2 | you could try cornering someone in #debian-amd64 |
| 14:23.57 | abrotman | currently the make dies on a variable declaration |
| 14:24.30 | ndee | juhu, smtp auth works :D |
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| 14:24.37 | ndee | now only to configure my own domain :D |
| 14:24.41 | _Victor | hey |
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| 14:24.52 | zaikxtox | hello. i have a question. i have a mixed set of debian and microsoft servers. i have defined one of them to be the time server. i uncommented the time service on inetd and restarted it. now i have the port 37 open. then used tdate to test it, and works fine... but i can't make win32 servers to use it. someone knows something about it? |
| 14:25.08 | bob2 | ndee: rock |
| 14:25.09 | subbia | hi to all |
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| 14:25.23 | faber2 | good afternoon everybody |
| 14:25.26 | bob2 | zaikxtox: you have a ntp client on the windows machines? |
| 14:25.36 | Guerin | zaikxtox: this is a question for #windoes on irc.microsoft.com |
| 14:25.38 | abrotman | somethign about a bad lvalue |
| 14:25.44 | Guerin | s/e/w/ |
| 14:26.09 | zaikxtox | bob2, no, i'm trying to use the win32 built in time sync feature... |
| 14:26.18 | faber2 | when i use ssh to forward ports, can i force ssh to stay connected? in my test case my port forwarding works for a while and with no activity the remote ssh closes the connection |
| 14:26.20 | bob2 | zaikxtox: that sounds like @windows then |
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| 14:26.30 | zaikxtox | bob2, ok. thanks |
| 14:26.39 | bob2 | zaikxtox: tho port 37 isn't ntp |
| 14:27.09 | freebse | can someone tell me how to add OSX to grub |
| 14:27.10 | zaikxtox | bob2, no. i't just the time service. the old one. |
| 14:27.25 | abrotman | freebse: ask #grub or #osx |
| 14:27.28 | bob2 | hah |
| 14:27.32 | abrotman | or perhaps even #powerppc |
| 14:27.37 | abrotman | err .. shit .. #debianppc |
| 14:27.39 | Garp | (bebye) |
| 14:27.39 | zaikxtox | bob2, i will make some investigation... to see what that win32 does |
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| 14:27.48 | freebse | abrotman: it was just a try, #grub is allmost empty :) |
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| 14:27.57 | abrotman | freebse: it's not empty .. they just nap a lot :) |
| 14:28.10 | nabziF | - how do you cross compile a x86-64 kernel on a system running etch/i386? |
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| 14:28.40 | poncha|work | i have several debian boxes. my ws at the office [debian sid] and several servers [all debian sarge] on hosting facility bahind cisco PIX (the cheapest one i think), now, when i am connected ssh to those box, after some time of inactivity my connections *freeze* (yeah, not disconnect - freeze!) and the only thing i can do is close terminal and reopen connection. is there anything i can do (either on my box or on targets or on pix to preve |
| 14:28.40 | poncha|work | nt this? ) |
| 14:28.40 | Guerin | Fizban: ask #debian-amd64 |
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| 14:29.29 | abrotman | yeah .. try another router ? :) |
| 14:29.39 | poncha|work | well... if that isnt the option? :) |
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| 14:29.48 | poncha|work | i'm not the person buyiong hardware here :) |
| 14:29.52 | poncha|work | *buying |
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| 14:30.28 | bob2 | are PIXes the ones that think they know how to censor SMTP? |
| 14:30.39 | klausi | how can i setup an usb mouse? |
| 14:30.39 | enveezee | abrotman: careful, they can be rought sometimes. |
| 14:30.46 | petemc | bob2: i think thats fixed now |
| 14:30.54 | troyme | hi all,i have problems with gnuplot,is there someone familiar with it??? |
| 14:31.03 | poncha|work | bob2 i doubt that... thats a cheapest cisco router box |
| 14:31.03 | tarzeau | troyme: yeh? |
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| 14:31.26 | abrotman | enveezee: routers ? |
| 14:31.35 | enveezee | abrotman: badgers |
| 14:31.39 | troyme | tarzeau:I have 2 sets of date |
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| 14:31.44 | poncha|work | on win32 on securecrt there was "send protocol no-op every XX seconds" but i cant find such stuff about openssh (maybe i'm missing it though) ... i think this might've saved the day |
| 14:31.47 | abrotman | oh . dpkg is dead .. love live badgers! |
| 14:31.55 | freebse | klausi: in xorg.conf |
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| 14:32.07 | troyme | there x axis range is the same |
| 14:32.12 | abrotman | @usbmouse |
| 14:32.12 | ravenbird | To use a USB mouse, do the following: [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && ./MAKEDEV usb && ./MAKEDEV input [3] modprobe usb-uhci or usb-ohci. [4] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug; it should beep at you when USB devices are (un)plugged. [5] use imps2 protocol and /dev/input/mice with ... |
| 14:32.15 | ndee | IT WORKS AGAIN |
| 14:32.18 | ndee | juuuuuuuuuuuuuuhuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 14:32.19 | troyme | but there y axis range is not |
| 14:32.20 | djp | ok, one last try... can anyone here help me fix a problem with exim4? i am trying to retrieve system mail with evolution. there are three messages sent to root@, however i cannot retrieve them using evolution |
| 14:32.21 | ndee | sorry |
| 14:32.27 | ndee | whoa, I'm just so glad |
| 14:32.30 | nabziF | Guerin: thanks, checking there. |
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| 14:33.26 | poncha|work | bob2, oops i misread your statement :) maybe it has such problems, i dont know :) but we dont have machines talking smpt there :) |
| 14:33.36 | poncha|work | *smtp |
| 14:33.53 | freebse | klausi: also hier einposten kann ich das nicht :) nimm mal DCC an |
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| 14:34.50 | rib | hello |
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| 14:35.15 | klausi | freebse ich benutzte xfree und ich habs schon |
| 14:35.17 | rib | someone can help me with apache2 and php4 please? |
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| 14:35.24 | tarzeau | klausi, freebse: english please! |
| 14:35.33 | bob2 | rib: easier if you just ask your question straight up |
| 14:35.35 | tarzeau | rib: nobody can read your mind |
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| 14:35.39 | Guerin | ich bin ein auslander, sofor bitte auf englisch sprechen |
| 14:35.41 | ndee | when I didn't split the exim4 configuration in mutliple small files, why did exim4 still created the /etc/exim/conf.d folder? |
| 14:35.53 | rib | go visit to http://vraimentnet.com |
| 14:35.53 | enveezee | tarzeau: unless he takes off his tinfoil hat |
| 14:36.02 | Guerin | i think i need to s/ein // |
| 14:36.08 | bob2 | mein leben |
| 14:36.08 | rib | and you can si my problem |
| 14:36.09 | abrotman | rib: and ? |
| 14:36.10 | freebse | tarzeau: sorry I thought I was in debian.de |
| 14:36.15 | freebse | klausi: http://paste.debian.net/2767 |
| 14:36.17 | abrotman | rib: your DocumentRoot is set wrong |
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| 14:36.23 | klausi | where do i save the xfree config file? |
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| 14:36.36 | freebse | klausi: /etx/X11/ |
| 14:36.41 | torc | I wonder if I run VMware virtual machine, and specifically bind it to 2 virtual hyperthreading cpus or 1 physical one, will it result in better performance? |
| 14:36.42 | Guerin | and I know I'm missing umauts and capitals |
| 14:36.46 | abrotman | rib: oh .. wait . nm .. did oyu install libapache2-mod-php4 ? |
| 14:36.46 | bob2 | rib: what's wrong with that? |
| 14:36.48 | Guerin | umlauts, too |
| 14:36.53 | klausi | freebse unter welchem namen |
| 14:36.54 | rib | yes |
| 14:36.57 | klausi | sry |
| 14:36.58 | abrotman | bob2: click on the phpmyadmin dir |
| 14:37.03 | bob2 | oh |
| 14:37.08 | abrotman | rib: dpkg -l libapache2-mod-php4 | tail -1 |
| 14:37.10 | klausi | freebse name of the conf file? |
| 14:37.24 | abrotman | @tell klausi about usbmouse |
| 14:37.25 | bob2 | torc: I'd think the kernel would generally do what was best |
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| 14:37.44 | torc | bob2: so, its still better to turf hyperthreading off? |
| 14:37.52 | torc | turn* |
| 14:37.59 | freebse | klausi: depends, xf86config-4 |
| 14:38.11 | shaken | anybody Know dpkg |
| 14:38.13 | bob2 | torc: eh? |
| 14:38.14 | shaken | anybody Know dpkg??? |
| 14:38.18 | abrotman | editing the X config by hand isn't really the best idea |
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| 14:38.27 | abrotman | shaken: i met him last week in a bar! |
| 14:38.27 | rib | se213:~# dpkg -l libapache2-mod-php4 | tail -l |
| 14:38.28 | rib | Souhait=inconnU/Install\uffff/suppRim\uffff/Purg\uffff/H=\uffff garder |
| 14:38.28 | rib | | \ufffftat=Non/Install\uffff/fichier-Config/d\uffffpaqUet\uffff/\uffffchec-conFig/H=semi-install |
| 14:38.28 | rib | |/ Err?=(aucune)/H=\uffff garder/besoin R\uffffinstallation/X=les deux (\ufffftat,Err: majuscule=mauvais) |
| 14:38.28 | rib | ||/ Nom Version Description |
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| 14:38.38 | shaken | flood |
| 14:38.39 | freebse | abrotman: why not, it is the easiest way |
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| 14:39.15 | abrotman | freebse: because then the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 will not work anymore |
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| 14:39.22 | tarzeau | abrotman: i can't wait to try the pcsx packages once they're through new queue |
| 14:39.23 | abrotman | rib: i only wanted the last line |
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| 14:39.29 | Guerin | rib: damn, you're stupid |
| 14:39.32 | abrotman | tarzeau: synfig! |
| 14:39.43 | rib | re |
| 14:39.47 | abrotman | not -l .. -1 .. that's a one |
| 14:39.49 | Guerin | or, verdammt, du bist schtupid |
| 14:39.57 | freebse | abrotman: ok, I never thought about that... that is a reason |
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| 14:40.05 | tarzeau | abrotman: looks interesting actually |
| 14:40.16 | abrotman | freebse: supposedly gone with xorg .. but i'm not 100% sure |
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| 14:40.28 | abrotman | tarzeau: did you watch the movies ? |
| 14:40.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: did you look at pixie yet? http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~okan/Pixie/pixie.htm |
| 14:40.42 | oskie | i'm having a little problem with 'openssl req'. it seems commands that used to work with 0.9.7 no longer works with 0.9.8. it just prints the Usage and doesn't generate me a certificate and key |
| 14:40.43 | tarzeau | abrotman: not yet, but after 10 times you mention it, i surfed the web page |
| 14:40.44 | freebse | abrotman: could be, I never had a problem with that |
| 14:40.51 | abrotman | tarzeau: heh |
| 14:41.04 | abrotman | tarzeau: oh .. i have seen pixie .. but not in a long time |
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| 14:41.40 | JmGV | i would like to adopt a packet |
| 14:41.43 | biw | hi, where can I get a libstdc++-libc6.1-1 library for debian? |
| 14:41.47 | abrotman | tarzeau: i guess i shuld file an RFP eh ? |
| 14:41.54 | abrotman | JmGV: package ? |
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| 14:42.02 | JmGV | I think next step is rename the package to ITA |
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| 14:42.05 | abrotman | @tell biw about search |
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| 14:42.22 | JmGV | but... i am pretty new and a dont know where i can read how to do it |
| 14:42.26 | JmGV | could you hep me |
| 14:42.27 | klausi | ok i got x server working how can i make gnome autostart? |
| 14:42.28 | JmGV | help |
| 14:42.28 | LazyAngel | does anyone know about a good jukebox? (not rythmbox) |
| 14:42.30 | biw | yea done that, it doesn't show anywhere |
| 14:42.31 | abrotman | JmGV: what is your native language ? |
| 14:42.49 | abrotman | JmGV: and are you already a DD ? |
| 14:42.54 | JmGV | no yet |
| 14:42.55 | poncha|work | TCPKeepAlive -> "This option only uses TCP keepalives (as opposed to using ssh level keepalives)" ... and i dont see how can i turn on ssh level keepalives .. (or are they always on and no such setting?) |
| 14:43.04 | JmGV | my native language is spanish |
| 14:43.06 | ndee | anyone knows how I can make a catchall account for exim4? |
| 14:43.08 | abrotman | @es |
| 14:43.08 | ravenbird | i guess es is For Spanish-speaking debian users requiring support, please join #debian-es channel. Para los usuarios debian de habla hispana que requieren la ayuda, ensamble por favor el canal del #debian-es |
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| 14:43.34 | JmGV | in debian-es there is not the same level than here |
| 14:43.40 | abrotman | @tell JmGV about nm |
| 14:43.42 | abrotman | @tell JmGV about mg |
| 14:43.45 | pabloz13 | pablozzz |
| 14:43.50 | JmGV | i have been there several time with not too much sucess |
| 14:43.51 | pabloz13 | w |
| 14:43.57 | pabloz13 | pawelccx |
| 14:44.06 | djp | anyone know why i cannot retreive root@localhost system messages using evolution? my username is added to the aliases file and exim4 is running... |
| 14:44.10 | pabloz13 | q |
| 14:44.12 | pabloz13 | c |
| 14:44.13 | pabloz13 | d |
| 14:44.13 | pabloz13 | f |
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| 14:44.14 | abrotman | tarzeau: but pixie is not in debian ? |
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| 14:44.38 | rib | abrotman : ? |
| 14:44.41 | abrotman | rib: ? |
| 14:44.52 | pabloz13 | sorry my client is death |
| 14:44.58 | JmGV | okey... thanks you anyway |
| 14:45.03 | abrotman | rib: dpkg -l libapache2-mod-php4 | tail -1 .. and yes .. that's a one .. not en El |
| 14:45.33 | abrotman | JmGV: did you get the links that ravenbird sent you ? |
| 14:45.38 | m4lu7 | Anyone know of a utility to display a png graphic at a console? |
| 14:45.47 | rib | se213:~# dpkg -l libapache2-mod-php4 | tail -1 |
| 14:45.47 | rib | ii libapache2-mod 4.3.10-15 server-side, HTML-embedded scripting languag |
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| 14:45.57 | abrotman | rib: and the module is actually enabled ? |
| 14:46.02 | ziupiu | rib, display |
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| 14:46.15 | pattieja | 2.6.14 is fast |
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| 14:46.48 | poncha|work | djp, if you're in aliases, then your mailbox will get root's mail |
| 14:46.51 | pattieja | I installed it last night on my brother's system, after upgrading to unstable, and it was noticeably faster booting up than his machine has ever been previously |
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| 14:46.58 | rib | displa? |
| 14:47.06 | poncha|work | djp, other than that, in order to read root's mail you have to be root :) |
| 14:47.14 | JmGV | abrotman: yes, I knew them |
| 14:47.16 | JmGV | thanks |
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| 14:47.44 | klausi | is there a handbook or howto for setting up debian on an amd64? |
| 14:48.18 | abrotman | @amd64 |
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| 14:48.26 | abrotman | wtf .. did we lose two bots ? |
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| 14:48.33 | Ayiden | hey, can anyone tell me how safe it is to upgrade to xorg from xfree through apt-get |
| 14:48.34 | abrotman | klausi: ask #debian-amd64 |
| 14:48.50 | djp | poncha|work, well there is no mailbox for my username and i can't get root mail despite having root: djp in aliases... |
| 14:49.06 | abrotman | @xorg sarge |
| 14:49.11 | abrotman | oh ffs ... |
| 14:49.24 | djp | poncha|work, i thought it would be forwarded to my username for me to retrieve using local delivery under evolution |
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| 14:49.49 | Ayiden | and if I upgrade to xorg do I have to reinstall any drivers? ex:nvidia etc... |
| 14:49.56 | abrotman | yes you would |
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| 14:50.36 | Ayiden | should I do that through apt as well .. for instance would m-a auto install nvidia be okay? |
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| 14:50.50 | clint- | hi all |
| 14:51.14 | ndee | what is a "colon"? is that a ";" or a " "? |
| 14:51.20 | abrotman | a colon is : |
| 14:51.24 | ndee | ah, thanks |
| 14:51.25 | abrotman | semicolon is ; |
| 14:51.42 | clint- | anybody want to help with Debian 3.1 GNU official binary cd 1install.. so I can get my dang resolution where I want. .and ya see. when I had update with net.. it took out the mp3 playback >_< and plus I am working with FreeBSD |
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| 14:52.01 | lnx_rlz | hello :) can anyone help me? I can start openldap only ssl, without gnutls? |
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| 14:52.24 | Ayiden | thanks alot |
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| 14:52.58 | clint- | anyone? pro at video configuration? |
| 14:54.03 | zaikxtox | fine.. a question. i have been reading ntp-server docs... i mean, ntp-doc package. all seems to be ok, but i run /etc/init.d/ntp-server start and no port 123 is open. i have set up the broadcast values, disable auth and broadcast client. using sarge |
| 14:54.12 | zaikxtox | some ideas on how to make it work properly? |
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| 14:54.26 | bob2 | is it actually running? |
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| 14:54.51 | abrotman | isn't ntp UDP ? |
| 14:55.10 | zaikxtox | bob2, yes. ps x shows it runing |
| 14:55.13 | enveezee | only on a clear night |
| 14:55.41 | zaikxtox | but i do netstat -ant |grep LISTEN |grep 123 and nothing comes up |
| 14:55.56 | zaikxtox | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:56.02 | enveezee | abrotman: the real question is does thunder only happen when its raining? |
| 14:56.05 | bob2 | don't you need netstat -p? |
| 14:56.11 | enveezee | and furthermore what does that mean |
| 14:56.13 | clint- | question all. any way to keep debian from not takin out the mp3 playback when you do the netinst |
| 14:56.17 | zaikxtox | restart -p ? |
| 14:56.22 | abrotman | enveezee: according to Fleetwood Mac it does |
| 14:56.27 | bob2 | clint-: what does that mean? |
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| 14:56.58 | clint- | well check this out right |
| 14:57.05 | zaikxtox | i have stoped and restarted ntpd but nothing comes |
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| 14:57.14 | enveezee | abrotman: fleetwood mac is nothing, Stevie Nicks was the star. |
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| 14:57.32 | abrotman | enveezee: dunno .. i think she sings just fine .. but damn .. those guys can play :) |
| 14:58.12 | clint- | I am messing with DEbian 3.1 and PC BSD .. but now I am moving to FreeBSD 6.0 official. .I have a problem with it detecting my Acer ASpire Keyboards layouts. pisses me off.. and was in here a while back asking for any advice on configuring the video.. they said Sync ranges.. vertical and horizontal had to be configured right. I am about to scream. it seem like always something have to be wrong. |
| 14:58.16 | enveezee | abrotman: yeah but then John, Lindsay and Christine thought they could sing |
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| 14:58.35 | abrotman | enveezee: well .. i'm still going with .. "those guys can play a damn good guitar" :) |
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| 14:58.53 | enveezee | abrotman: I want to break something every time I hear Christie McVie or Lindsay Buckingham |
| 14:58.57 | clint- | I use Acronis Disk Director Suite 9, my choice I love it much.. I have 3 major operating systems on. I just would like to make my journey a bit more comfortable if ya know what I'm saying.. :) |
| 14:58.58 | rib | in my mon-enabled i have only : cgi.load,userdir.conf and userdir.load |
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| 14:59.42 | zaikxtox | i will read on and try again. thanks |
| 14:59.45 | abrotman | enveezee: i can handle lindsey .. |
| 14:59.48 | bob2 | clint-: I still don't understand what you think a netinst has to do with mp3 playback |
| 15:00.22 | clint- | I have the official binary cd 1 from the debian bible |
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| 15:01.14 | clint- | you see. when I did that install right. and then used the updates. it takes out mp3 playback out for some reason. pisses me off. but If I dont' set up the net configuration and redo the install. it has mp3 playback in it. dam it dam it. sometimes i Just like to listen to my music for cryin out loud when I tryin to master this linux unix chit |
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| 15:01.48 | clint- | sometimes the purpose of updates. really do'nt serve a good purpose :) |
| 15:01.56 | PuGz | am i right in saying that the help for openoffice.org 2 is not yet available in debian unstable? |
| 15:02.00 | abrotman | which MP3 player are you using ?> |
| 15:02.01 | stew | clint-: what do you mean "used the updates" what exactly did you do? |
| 15:02.04 | abrotman | PuGz: afaik . it is |
| 15:02.07 | clint- | k |
| 15:02.12 | clint- | thanks for the help guys |
| 15:02.12 | enveezee | bob2: I don't think he understands the terms mp3 playback or netinst enough to use them. |
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| 15:02.15 | abrotman | @info openoffice.org sid |
| 15:02.24 | enveezee | bob2: I think he means an upgrade broke his sound |
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| 15:02.44 | abrotman | oh ffs .. what's the package callled ? |
| 15:02.45 | clint- | I feel like renting a gun. and shootin myself and being hospitilized so I can get some morphine for the depression of video resolution.. and stuff. just / kiddin |
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| 15:02.52 | PuGz | abrotman: the openoffice.org-help-en is for 1.something |
| 15:02.57 | abrotman | not that |
| 15:03.00 | tarzeau | abrotman: no it's not |
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| 15:03.08 | tarzeau | abrotman: can you not ever compile something yourself? |
| 15:03.12 | abrotman | PuGz: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/editors/openoffice.org |
| 15:03.13 | PuGz | tarzeau: not available? |
| 15:03.17 | clint- | this is what I am going do.. thankx.. I am going .. reboot system. and get the debian official ready for boot. any help I goin listen too |
| 15:03.19 | abrotman | tarzeau: no .. plenty of stuff i can :) |
| 15:03.19 | tarzeau | abrotman: there's an rfp already |
| 15:03.25 | PuGz | rfp? |
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| 15:03.31 | tarzeau | !rfp |
| 15:03.34 | tarzeau | apt rfp |
| 15:03.36 | apt | rumour has it, rfp is a Request For Package; see http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, or a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: " |
| 15:03.41 | abrotman | tarzeau: just that if it's over complicated .. i usually get dejected |
| 15:03.43 | PuGz | ahhh |
| 15:03.45 | PuGz | i see |
| 15:03.51 | abrotman | tarzeau: rfp for synfig ? |
| 15:03.52 | clint- | thanks you guys |
| 15:03.59 | tarzeau | abrotman: there isn't one yet? i'll look into it |
| 15:04.01 | PuGz | cheer |
| 15:04.01 | PuGz | s |
| 15:04.06 | enveezee | either that or he is working with a VM in freeBSD or something |
| 15:04.08 | clint- | I know debian take s a lot of patience :) |
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| 15:04.15 | clint- | I am tryin to have it with BSD as well |
| 15:04.16 | bob2 | clint-: apt will not do anything without your permission |
| 15:04.21 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'm asking! |
| 15:04.25 | clint- | lol it did I swear to God ! |
| 15:04.28 | clint- | :P |
| 15:04.29 | bob2 | clint-: when asking it to upgrade, watch carefully what it is planning to do |
| 15:04.30 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm still wanting mtp-target packages though, you do them? needs fast 3d drivers, dont got any :( |
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| 15:04.35 | clint- | lol yeah |
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| 15:04.42 | tarzeau | abrotman: no idea, didn't check i had a meeting, downloading now |
| 15:04.47 | PuGz | anyone know how i can do conditional formatting in openoffice.org2 with more than 3 conditions? |
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| 15:04.48 | clint- | k.. so will you guys help if I reinstall again please :) |
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| 15:05.19 | tarzeau | abrotman: have you seen/used brl-cad yet? it's still not packaged, right? |
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| 15:05.29 | abrotman | hrm .. i think i saw it |
| 15:05.29 | stew | clint-: you don't need to reinstall |
| 15:05.31 | clint- | i know linux is easier than bsd lol. if I can install BSD.. lol and mess with it. anyone can do debian :P |
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| 15:05.56 | stew | clint-: oh unless you have already overwritten debian |
| 15:05.57 | clint- | my grandma could probalby install it :) |
| 15:06.05 | stew | let her |
| 15:06.18 | clint- | I just want to start fresh. I've done it a hundred times it seems.. j/k.. about 11 times now |
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| 15:06.32 | clint- | I Don't want to stay in 800 x 600 pixel resolution :( |
| 15:06.46 | stew | clint-: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 15:06.48 | tarzeau | abrotman: astonishing! |
| 15:06.51 | clint- | man ya awesome |
| 15:06.57 | clint- | um |
| 15:07.20 | clint- | I bet I have to update kernel as well right. coz it said to get volume management. isn't that like to be able to read my ntfs partiitions .. and other partitions.. whatever |
| 15:07.23 | ralf | clint-: what's wrong with 800x600? :P |
| 15:07.26 | clint- | I would like to be able to do that as well |
| 15:07.31 | clint- | I"m not blind :) |
| 15:08.25 | clint- | I use a 1280 x 1024 on my SAmpo 17" monitor . and its not even CRT so whats that tell ya |
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| 15:08.43 | clint- | I had to make my eyes adjust. but I love the work space :) |
| 15:09.09 | stew | clint-: what cpu do you have? |
| 15:09.12 | clint- | k |
| 15:09.18 | clint- | want me get what I Know about it |
| 15:09.19 | stew | k7? |
| 15:09.31 | clint- | I just got it from the college I just got into.. back in Sept |
| 15:09.46 | tarzeau | abrotman: there's already itps for it |
| 15:09.48 | clint- | was dealin with this before with ya guys. and I had some things. problems .. stress |
| 15:09.54 | abrotman | tarzeau: what is astonishing ? |
| 15:10.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: the screenshots and stills |
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| 15:10.09 | abrotman | tarzeau: the movies! |
| 15:10.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: haven't found them yet, but i'll look |
| 15:10.27 | clint- | k |
| 15:10.30 | clint- | rebooting system |
| 15:10.49 | abrotman | tarzeau: but that guy needs a sponsor |
| 15:10.52 | clint- | when I did.. do not configure net connection.. I think I funk' d myself over |
| 15:11.04 | stew | clint-: man interfaces |
| 15:11.04 | abrotman | *plonk* |
| 15:11.05 | clint- | o_O |
| 15:11.10 | tarzeau | abrotman: so? i can't help, neither can you. the software is great, a sponsor will be there |
| 15:11.17 | abrotman | entirely too many enters .. and too much stupidity :) |
| 15:11.20 | clint- | I'm at boot.. so I don't need to do a reinstall? |
| 15:11.23 | abrotman | tarzeau: i can't sponsor |
| 15:11.27 | stew | clint-: no |
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| 15:11.38 | clint- | I think my lil laptop hard drive is tired of been spun around :P |
| 15:11.44 | tarzeau | abrotman: that's what i said :) |
| 15:11.45 | clint- | k |
| 15:11.47 | clint- | ty |
| 15:11.57 | clint- | going boot into debian then |
| 15:12.02 | abrotman | i find it hard to believe someone who got BSD installed can't figure out debian |
| 15:12.17 | abrotman | tarzeau: you could! .. if you'd get off your arse |
| 15:12.27 | clint- | hey I can't complain. at least it detects my keyboARD unlike FreeBSD PC BSd.. maybe it was the pc bsd :P |
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| 15:12.37 | clint- | yeah.. tell me about it |
| 15:12.39 | abrotman | tarzeau: did you watch a movie yet ? |
| 15:12.55 | clint- | I installed PC BSD .. and let me tell you m8.. Its not about installing it. its about configuration m8 |
| 15:13.02 | abrotman | tarzeau: watch the prologue |
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| 15:13.19 | tarzeau | abrotman: you could too! i'll watch a movie, and tell you about it, ok? |
| 15:13.19 | clint- | anyone can install an OPerating System m8.. its the configuration they would like and hope to be nice :) |
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| 15:13.22 | zinx | TiiuExiiat: leave or stay, don't do both. |
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| 15:13.36 | Esaj | hmm, why is apt trying to install task-vserver? |
| 15:13.42 | clint- | k |
| 15:13.45 | abrotman | tarzeau: i've watched them all :) |
| 15:13.50 | clint- | all in.. ready to go |
| 15:14.03 | Esaj | it wants to remove these as well: "base-config console-common console-data console-tools fdutils pciutils" |
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| 15:14.57 | clint- | debian* |
| 15:15.00 | clint- | sorry :) |
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| 15:15.54 | stew | clint-: waits for what? you haven't asked a question? and you haven't answered mine of what cpu you have |
| 15:15.59 | clint- | k.. so what should I do. to get my net config.. |
| 15:16.05 | tarzeau | abrotman: got any links to the movies? |
| 15:16.05 | clint- | oh sorry about that |
| 15:16.09 | stew | clint-: man 5 interfaces ; /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 15:16.23 | abrotman | tarzeau: http://www.synfig.com/gallery/ |
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| 15:16.48 | systray` | hi |
| 15:16.54 | takatumi | stew: for a sec I thought dpkg parses manpages now. :) |
| 15:17.05 | natros | I have a problem with tcsh "Unknown colorls variable `su'" |
| 15:17.15 | abrotman | stew: dpkg is taking a nap |
| 15:17.17 | stew | takatumi: no its just the cheatsheet :) |
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| 15:17.34 | tarzeau | takatumi: any luck with wifi on gnu/kfreebsd? |
| 15:17.44 | stew | clint-: make that /msg apt man interfaces |
| 15:18.05 | clint- | -> http://www.acerpanam.com/synapse/forms/portal.cfm?website=AcerPanAm.com&originwebsite=AcerPanAm.com&pupv=pu&formid=3404#results |
| 15:18.07 | Firestarter2 | when trying to compile ftape I get a "../../include/linux/modftversions.h:10: linux/modversions.h: No such file or directory" I can't seem do anything to fix it |
| 15:18.19 | abrotman | still!? |
| 15:18.36 | clint- | click on the model.. thats all they were able to give to me.. and yep. I even tried to get my horizontal and vertical sync ranges. they couldn't give me jack crap about them |
| 15:18.48 | abrotman | @modversions.h |
| 15:18.48 | ravenbird | i heard modversions.h is a file that you get from YOUR kernel headers. Usually this means "apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r`" but use your common sense here. If you're a good user and building your own kernels, then modversions.h is created in your source tree after you configure the kernel. Or make-kpkg --revision=custom.foo kernel_image kernel_headers |
| 15:18.49 | takatumi | tarzeau: nope, can't do much without ethernet either, will wait for the next kernel I guess. |
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| 15:19.20 | larsioa | Warning: mysql_connect(): Too many connections - How to i empty all connections? |
| 15:19.21 | tarzeau | takatumi: oh, at least did you run popularity-contest once on it? :) |
| 15:19.31 | tarzeau | larsioa: what says netstat -na ? |
| 15:19.39 | abrotman | larsioa: ask #mysql ? |
| 15:19.44 | tarzeau | larsioa: maybe check the config files as well as sysctl -a |
| 15:19.48 | clint- | k.. I think I doin my own net configuration. 1 sec |
| 15:19.52 | Firestarter2 | abrotman: yes I have the kernel source compiled and bootable but still the modversions.h error |
| 15:20.23 | larsioa | abrotman: no answers? |
| 15:20.29 | abrotman | in #mysql ? |
| 15:20.36 | larsioa | abrotman: yes ? |
| 15:20.41 | abrotman | larsioa: it's not really a debian question |
| 15:20.47 | ndee | a simple one: how will, with exim4, ALL messages that I receive be forwarded to one user? |
| 15:20.59 | takatumi | tarzeau: what's the point without the net? |
| 15:21.07 | abrotman | larsioa: a simple way may be to restart the mysqld |
| 15:21.08 | ndee | *@mydomain.com goes to -> user@mydomain.com |
| 15:21.19 | tarzeau | takatumi: what point of net? |
| 15:21.41 | takatumi | tarzeau: for popcon to send the results |
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| 15:21.57 | tarzeau | takatumi: ah true, ethernet cable? |
| 15:22.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: haha kam.mov |
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| 15:22.20 | abrotman | tarzeau: did you watch it ? |
| 15:22.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: must be fun with LSD |
| 15:22.33 | abrotman | heh |
| 15:22.40 | abrotman | tarzeau: did you watch the prologue one ? |
| 15:22.44 | takatumi | tarzeau: ethernet didn't work either, thought natsemi would work without a hitch. |
| 15:22.52 | tarzeau | abrotman: doing right now |
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| 15:23.06 | Firestarter2 | abrotman: is there an option that I need to check in the kernel config so it creates the modversions.h |
| 15:23.11 | takatumi | tarzeau: how's the liveCD coming along? |
| 15:23.25 | tarzeau | takatumi: very good. it'll be fantastic |
| 15:23.27 | Mahdi__ | hi, could anybody help me plz? I just used make-kpkg modules_image to build my nvidia-kernel-source. It ran fine and i installed the deb, but when i modprobe the module, i get "version magic '2.6.14 K7 gcc4.0' should be '2.6.14 preempt K7 gcc-4.0'". What could b wrong? |
| 15:23.39 | abrotman | Firestarter2: not that i know of .. |
| 15:23.48 | tarzeau | takatumi: build time got down from one hour (morphix) to 20 minutes (ging) |
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| 15:24.20 | takatumi | tarzeau: nice. |
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| 15:25.29 | bob2 | Mahdi__: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 15:25.35 | abrotman | dpkg is dead |
| 15:25.47 | bob2 | apt: test |
| 15:25.50 | apt | Test Failed! |
| 15:26.20 | tzafrir_laptop | Mahdi__, maybe use m-a? m-a a-i nvidia #(or something similar) |
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| 15:28.25 | RichiH | how well does the 3ware 8006-2 LP run under linux? |
| 15:28.26 | ttl_wrk | hi |
| 15:28.50 | ttl_wrk | i want to upgrade hdd on a windblows xp machine |
| 15:29.05 | ttl_wrk | can i use parted to copy from one disk to another |
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| 15:29.41 | ttl_wrk | the old disk is 40gb IDE and the new 160gb IDE |
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| 15:30.00 | ttl_wrk | i want to transfer the complete system as it is to the new disk |
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| 15:30.06 | tarzeau | ttl_wrk: you could also use dd |
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| 15:30.17 | tarzeau | ttl_wrk: dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdc bs=1024k |
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| 15:30.25 | tarzeau | ttl_wrk: use hdparm -d1 on both first |
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| 15:30.36 | tarzeau | RichiH: raid scsi controller? |
| 15:30.52 | ttl_wrk | tarzeau: ok thanks |
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| 15:31.18 | tarzeau | ttl_wrk: of course get the hd names right if=input(source) , of=output(target) |
| 15:32.09 | RichiH | tarzeau: yes |
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| 15:32.45 | sandman | Man etch is so badly broken. Can't even backport stuff |
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| 15:33.07 | abrotman | it is testing .. quit your whining |
| 15:33.28 | abrotman | if you want stuff to work .. use stable .. otherwise .. learn how to fix it or STFU |
| 15:33.30 | tarzeau | RichiH: dunno, i've got one of this and it works fine: 0000:00:09.0 RAID bus controller: 3ware Inc 3ware ATA-RAID |
| 15:33.41 | tarzeau | sandman: try sid |
| 15:34.11 | tarzeau | RichiH: how large will the disks totally be? |
| 15:35.36 | ttl_wrk | tarzeau: yeah of course, hehe |
| 15:36.07 | tarzeau | ttl_wrk: hehe, you know i've seen people do it wrong, and then i laughed. hehe |
| 15:36.17 | tarzeau | (getting to a safe place first, though :) |
| 15:36.30 | tarzeau | the reason why i wrote www.linuks.mine.nu/ubercopy/ |
| 15:36.54 | ttl_wrk | tarzeau: lol |
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| 15:41.55 | xaureus | why i can't hear the sound in video files, while in audio i can? |
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| 15:42.30 | xaureus | in xmms it's ok, in xine it's not, just after i reboot the sistem it works again... |
| 15:43.03 | enveezee | xaureus: what output plugins are xmms and xine using? |
| 15:43.08 | enveezee | xaureus: for audio |
| 15:43.27 | xaureus | esound output plugin for xmms |
| 15:43.34 | xaureus | and for xine...wait a sec |
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| 15:43.53 | systray` | Nov 14 16:42:03 omega sshd[5102]: Accepted keyboard-interactive/pam for files2 f rom 192.168.1.2 port 2051 ssh2 |
| 15:43.53 | systray` | Nov 14 16:42:03 omega sshd[18664]: (pam_unix) session opened for user files2 by (uid=0) |
| 15:43.53 | systray` | Nov 14 16:42:03 omega sshd[18664]: (pam_unix) session closed for user files2 |
| 15:44.01 | systray` | i can't log on |
| 15:44.14 | systray` | he's close my session |
| 15:44.18 | systray` | after entering password |
| 15:44.34 | systray` | i've used a another shell |
| 15:44.40 | systray` | for this each user |
| 15:44.45 | systray` | where's the problem? |
| 15:45.08 | valdyn_ | systray`: the shell is not found or crashing |
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| 15:45.19 | xaureus | enveezee for xine it's set on auto |
| 15:46.10 | systray` | i've this shell: |
| 15:46.10 | systray` | #!/bin/bash |
| 15:46.11 | systray` | chroot $HOME |
| 15:46.23 | systray` | as file named "/bin/chroot-test" |
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| 15:47.34 | systray` | why it's not work? |
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| 15:48.57 | nite613 | systray`: your script needs to actually call bash after teh chroot: chroot $HOME bash |
| 15:49.14 | nite613 | that might not be the only problem |
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| 15:49.53 | systray` | yes |
| 15:49.55 | systray` | i see |
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| 15:50.36 | systray` | how it's the name of the var to the user? |
| 15:51.16 | systray` | ah $USER |
| 15:51.16 | systray` | k |
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| 15:52.05 | systray` | nite613, i have changed the script to: |
| 15:52.05 | systray` | #!/bin/bash |
| 15:52.05 | systray` | chroot $HOME /home/users/$USER/bin/bash |
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| 15:52.12 | clint- | k back |
| 15:52.16 | systray` | not working -.- |
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| 15:53.14 | clint- | got question.. since I'm using Acronis Disk Director Suite 9, becuase I choose to run Windows XP Professional, Debian. and FreeBSD.. do I have to enable the Grub Boot Loader. Acronis Disk Director Suite booted me into BSD.. when I checked.. disable the boot loader for PC BSD. however will that work for debian? |
| 15:53.26 | clint- | I use an OS Selector |
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| 15:55.05 | fbi | clint-: grub will boot all three, you don't need anything else. |
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| 15:55.24 | tzafrir_laptop | clint-, install grub to the debian partition, rather than to the mbr |
| 15:55.29 | mik54 | Any other alternative besides nagios that anyone suggests? |
| 15:55.44 | clint- | I like my Acronis though.. I use it to help others manage partitions works awesome.. I see lil Devil because I choose too at boot.a.nd I selected Debian icon |
| 15:55.44 | tzafrir_laptop | alternatively, configure grub to boot the other systems as well |
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| 15:55.51 | clint- | ah |
| 15:55.55 | clint- | how I do thats |
| 15:55.58 | clint- | :) |
| 15:56.10 | clint- | now thats what I"m talkin about |
| 15:56.12 | fbi | clint-: you can install grub on the mbr of the first disk, like you were supposed to. |
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| 15:56.19 | clint- | fbi |
| 15:56.24 | clint- | havn't you heard of Acronis ;) |
| 15:56.29 | clint- | its lovely :) |
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| 15:56.57 | clint- | especially for a College student who uses different programs when he is on Windows, and has to do things on that. and then when he wants to play with debian and freebsd as well |
| 15:57.04 | tzafrir_laptop | clint-, grub-install /dev/hda1 or whereever the debian root partition is. I believe it should work |
| 15:57.11 | tzafrir_laptop | haven't tested |
| 15:57.11 | clint- | I just don't want all boot loaders getting confuses. and wonder. shouldn't hav eto have it eh |
| 15:57.14 | fbi | clint-: i only use grub. there is no need for anything else. |
| 15:57.16 | azeem | clint-: that's nice, but I doubt people know about this in here, so you are on your own |
| 15:57.18 | clint- | k |
| 15:57.21 | clint- | fbi |
| 15:57.24 | clint- | I use more than 1 os lol |
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| 15:57.41 | fbi | clint-: i use grub to boot debian, win 2k3 server, and freebsd. |
| 15:57.42 | tzafrir_laptop | grub/lilo/etc. can boot other systems |
| 15:57.46 | azeem | clint-: we understand. The supported way for this in Debian is using Grub. |
| 15:57.57 | azeem | clint-: if you do not want to do this, that is fine, but you are on your own |
| 15:57.57 | clint- | yeah. but boot loader for freebsd.. it loud and boring :) |
| 15:58.01 | bibe | hi all. I have set up a Debian repository for machines in my customer's LAN. That will speed up many installations, because in every installation I have to build a Debian package for Sun's JDK and to build a patched version of libapache2-mod-jk2. Now I can do the procedure only once and distribute the generated .debs without having to install build-essentials, java-package and so on. Now, I'd like to put this repository online to have other machines access these |
| 15:58.11 | tzafrir_laptop | azeem, so another loader can chain-load grub just as well |
| 15:58.18 | fbi | clint-: you don't need the bsd bootloader. that's what grub does. what is so hard to understand? |
| 15:58.20 | clint- | I'm going install it to the /dev/hda1 |
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| 15:58.24 | clint- | 8-) |
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| 15:58.28 | azeem | tzafrir_laptop: I guess, but we cannot help with them |
| 15:58.30 | clint- | I know I don't need the bsd bootloader fbi |
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| 15:58.36 | clint- | ty |
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| 15:58.49 | stew | bibe: google for repository howto |
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| 15:59.01 | clint- | did you read this up many lines ago |
| 15:59.03 | clint- | clint-got question.. since I'm using Acronis Disk Director Suite 9, becuase I choose to run Windows XP Professional, Debian. and FreeBSD.. do I have to enable the Grub Boot Loader. Acronis Disk Director Suite booted me into BSD.. when I checked.. disable the boot loader for PC BSD. however will that work for debian? |
| 15:59.22 | clint- | you see that last part there |
| 15:59.31 | azeem | clint-: how should we know? We do not know about Acronis thing |
| 15:59.35 | clint- | see where I put.. however"" will that work for debian |
| 15:59.44 | clint- | its an OS Selector |
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| 15:59.50 | stew | clint-: we don't support non-free software here |
| 15:59.57 | clint- | k |
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| 16:00.04 | clint- | I'll just do it the /dev/hda1 lol way lol |
| 16:00.25 | klausi | i installed debain and after booting all i see is a blank screen. is that supposed to be that way? and how do i fix it |
| 16:00.27 | bibe | stew: I already did it (google, and repository setup). The issue is if I _can_ do it: machines' hardware is all owned by my customer, is this _distributing_ software? (because I won't like to distribute debian packaged version of non-free software) |
| 16:00.40 | clint- | I guess I could install it too a floppy lol |
| 16:00.43 | azeem | klausi: did you get to the Grub menu? |
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| 16:00.56 | klausi | azeem yes |
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| 16:01.14 | azeem | so any output after it starts to boot GNU/Linux? |
| 16:01.16 | klausi | azeem it bootet quit a lot before blanking the screen ^^ |
| 16:01.31 | klausi | yes a lot of output |
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| 16:01.44 | zaikxtox | hello. i'm having problems with an ntp server. the server is up and runnind, listening on port 123 udp. i try ntpdate from the same server, against itself: /usr/sbin/ntpdate -q localhost and it fails... server 127.0.0.1, stratum 16, offset 0.000004, delay 0.02567 14 Nov 13:01:16 ntpdate[17102]: no server suitable for synchronization found |
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| 16:01.47 | takatumi | klausi: ati? |
| 16:01.51 | klausi | yes |
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| 16:02.07 | stew | bibe: i wouldn't want to give you legal advice. you could have them apt-get it from debian-unofficial.org |
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| 16:02.49 | takatumi | klausi: try adding vga=791 or similar to the kernel line in grub |
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| 16:02.59 | klausi | ok i try |
| 16:03.07 | bibe | stew : thanks |
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| 16:04.05 | clint- | hey stew |
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| 16:04.46 | stew | bibe: the jre that is, the modified jk2 should be fine for you to redistribute from your own repository |
| 16:04.48 | clint- | Its a nice Hard Disk Manager bud.. real nice |
| 16:04.56 | klausi | it looks more pretty now when booting but still the screen goes blank |
| 16:05.21 | darsie | Hi! I have a Conflicts/Pre-Depend loop in apt-get install which is a "GRAVE BUG". Shall I wait before I use APT::Force-LoopBreak so it can be further investigated? I haven't dist-upgraded a long time and there are now 903 packages to upgrade. |
| 16:05.25 | clint- | I used.. Partition Magic, Paragon Software. even Disk Drake and parition manually myself.. however.. I just use things for what I need em for m8. but I ready to get plugged back in. so I can get the resolution right |
| 16:05.37 | stew | darsie: /msg dpkg e2fsprogs loop |
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| 16:05.59 | klausi | takatumi, it looks more pretty now when booting but still the screen goes blank |
| 16:05.59 | stew | darsie: its not a grave bug, upgrading from older-than-stable to testing without first upgrading to stable isn't supported |
| 16:06.01 | takatumi | klausi: had a hunch it was framebuffer related, perhaps not. |
| 16:06.05 | darsie | ok |
| 16:06.18 | stew | oh is dpkg still asleep |
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| 16:06.19 | stew | dpkg: test |
| 16:06.43 | enveezee | dpkg is probably in a coma. |
| 16:06.45 | stew | ravenbird: you are running packages which are older than the current debian stable and are trying to upgrade to debian testing which isn't supported, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace "testing" or "etch" or "unstable" with "stable" then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade; then if you still want testing, edit sources.list again, and change stable to testing and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 16:06.46 | ravenbird | I think you lost me on that one, stew |
| 16:06.48 | enveezee | its the doctor that is asleep |
| 16:06.49 | clint- | got my ethernet going all good |
| 16:06.52 | clint- | :) |
| 16:06.54 | clint- | I said funk it |
| 16:06.59 | stew | ravenbird: e2fsprogs loop is you are running packages which are older than the current debian stable and are trying to upgrade to debian testing which isn't supported, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace "testing" or "etch" or "unstable" with "stable" then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade; then if you still want testing, edit sources.list again, and change stable to testing and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 16:07.00 | ravenbird | stew: okay |
| 16:07.06 | stew | darsie: ^^^ |
| 16:07.08 | clint- | Welcome to your new Debian system! gee i wish I felt welcome :) |
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| 16:08.08 | enveezee | dondelelcaro: whats up doc? |
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| 16:08.36 | clint- | k all done |
| 16:08.50 | clint- | I am going do.. Archive access method for apt: http :) |
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| 16:09.24 | clint- | 1 thing I will say about debian. is that it is very easy for setting up the http. and very stable. even ftp. I have done both on various occasions ;) |
| 16:09.36 | clint- | for the netinst :) |
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| 16:10.28 | clint- | hey stew |
| 16:11.00 | stew | if you have a question, just ask the channel |
| 16:11.09 | clint- | k |
| 16:11.12 | clint- | channel |
| 16:11.13 | clint- | lol |
| 16:11.21 | enveezee | not that anyone understands you |
| 16:11.27 | clint- | how do I get my resolution to what my model is capable of lol |
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| 16:11.35 | clint- | not that I understand debian ;) |
| 16:11.48 | abrotman | STOP HITTING ENTER SO DAMN MUCH |
| 16:11.54 | enveezee | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:11.55 | enveezee | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:11.58 | clint- | :| |
| 16:12.02 | fbi | !beer abrotman |
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| 16:12.11 | fbi | dpkg: you suck |
| 16:12.17 | abrotman | fbi: no . i had more than my fill over the weekend .. it's the best way to cope with my family :) |
| 16:12.17 | enveezee | clint-: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 16:12.20 | stew | clint-: read the manual, or find the specs on the web |
| 16:12.21 | clint- | ty |
| 16:12.24 | fbi | hah! |
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| 16:12.30 | enveezee | clint-: choose advanced monitor configuration and supply the sync ranges |
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| 16:12.47 | enveezee | clint-: monitorworld.com may help if you dont know them |
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| 16:13.13 | clint- | thats the thing |
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| 16:13.35 | clint- | I called the company from where my notebook/laptpo is from. and not a single dam person could give me the dam v/h sync ranges |
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| 16:14.06 | clint- | thanks for that information up top.. I wrote it down |
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| 16:14.18 | fbi | clint-: boot a livecd and watch the boot process, knoppix is pretty good about identifying video hardware and sync rates |
| 16:14.19 | stew | ~laptops |
| 16:14.20 | apt | stew, http://www.linuxlaptops.com sells Debian-preinstalled laptops. |
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| 16:14.24 | stew | no |
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| 16:14.30 | stew | apt: forget laptops |
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| 16:14.43 | stew | @laptops |
| 16:14.43 | ravenbird | stew, http://www.linuxlaptops.com sells Debian-preinstalled laptops. |
| 16:14.44 | clint- | I have already used knoppxi. and many other live cd's m8.. including Winternals. and other sytsems |
| 16:14.46 | stew | uhg |
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| 16:15.14 | fbi | i'm not asking if you've used them before. use one *now* to figure out your monitor sync ranges. |
| 16:15.17 | clint- | knoppix*.. I don't care to use any systems built off of debian. I want to do it on my own. funny thing is. amazing how I can't find out the dam sync ranges |
| 16:15.24 | clint- | ah |
| 16:15.27 | clint- | good idea |
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| 16:15.32 | stew | clint-: go to http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org, and find someone that has the same laptop |
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| 16:15.34 | clint- | too bad I'm installing debian though |
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| 16:15.47 | clint- | its not listed |
| 16:15.55 | clint- | I already checked.. I guess I"m fucked |
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| 16:15.58 | fbi | !tell clint- about enter |
| 16:16.11 | fbi | dpkg, stop napping on the job. |
| 16:16.24 | clint- | enter.. look who entering ;) |
| 16:16.32 | vladkao | fbi: dpkg is dead :-) |
| 16:16.41 | clint- | lol |
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| 16:16.50 | systray` | lol |
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| 16:17.03 | clint- | oh well.. if this doesn't work. I am going sale my notebook and workstation. and get a better notebook. or just be done with it in general. thanks all |
| 16:17.17 | tarzeau | any latex/xfig guys here? comments for this? http://www.linuks.mine.nu/people/mn/latex-xfig-mn.png |
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| 16:18.15 | SlammerXP | tarzeau: comment: Wahrscheinlichkeit is a really cool word. |
| 16:18.18 | cahoot | tarzeau: working on this for two months now? |
| 16:18.32 | madar | hi, i need some help in configing mail server pop and smtp, dns settings |
| 16:18.45 | tarzeau | cahoot: no it just lay around, and the user has done a workaround (not right fix) |
| 16:18.54 | stew | clint-: its probably 1024x768 @60hz |
| 16:19.01 | SlammerXP | madar: okay. please ask your specific questions clearly and concisely. |
| 16:19.02 | madar | if u can help me i can pay u same money for your help |
| 16:19.09 | tarzeau | SlammerXP: indeed |
| 16:19.25 | tarzeau | SlammerXP: i'll sell you www.wahrscheinlichkeit.com for $1.000.000 |
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| 16:19.27 | cahoot | tarzeau: if you really want an answer I'd suggest comp.text.tex |
| 16:19.30 | madar | exim4, courier-pop, dns settings |
| 16:19.35 | clint- | 1024 x 800 |
| 16:19.37 | SlammerXP | madar: okay. please ask your specific questions clearly and concisely. |
| 16:19.41 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 16:19.46 | tarzeau | cahoot: i think i'll just "lose" this trouble ticket |
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| 16:20.04 | elephantman | What do i have to put when the debian installer asks for "Graphic card bus ID" ? |
| 16:20.07 | clint- | I chose the option to get that. but it wouldn't put it up in that mode |
| 16:20.13 | elephantman | Do i have to put "PCIe" ? |
| 16:20.16 | clint- | so like I said.. I"m fukd |
| 16:20.19 | tarzeau | elephantman: no |
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| 16:20.33 | AlienX | test |
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| 16:20.34 | fatal_ | elephantman: leave it empty. |
| 16:20.39 | elephantman | ok thanx a lot |
| 16:20.48 | maiden | hi help me pleas |
| 16:20.50 | stew | clint-: read /var/log/Xfree86.0.log it will tell you why it wouldn't use that mode |
| 16:21.18 | madar | specific qouestion? ok then plz config my mail server (pop3, smtp by exim4 and courier pop) and i ll pay u some money i dont have tom but its must work in 12 hours |
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| 16:21.26 | clint- | I am going sale my laptop bud.. no worries probably |
| 16:21.34 | madar | tom-time |
| 16:21.38 | cahoot | tarzeau: people on lyx.org seem knowledgeable too |
| 16:21.45 | clint- | always something goin wrong m8.. nothing new.. thanks though |
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| 16:22.51 | elephantman | My debian installer CD1 still doesn't recognize my Marvell Yukon Gigabit Onboard Lan card |
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| 16:23.04 | clint- | time for me to go lay down. and when I get up. I think I am going install FreeBSD and if that desn't work out too well. the 6.0 then laptop is going flyin out side |
| 16:23.15 | elephantman | I was told to use "sk98lin" but it says it can't find the card |
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| 16:23.19 | maiden | i am congif DNS with BIND |
| 16:23.26 | clint- | I feel y elephantman on the driver support bud :) |
| 16:23.44 | meff | elephantman: sk98lin support in-kernel is pretty limited.. you'll need to build the module from syskonnect.com |
| 16:24.00 | slashme | I migh be going crazy, but I think I once heard of a screensaver for linux that shows you the images that other people on your lan download. Anyone know what this is? |
| 16:24.17 | elephantman | meff: with the .tar.bz2 provided on the website ? |
| 16:24.20 | clint- | I guess we should wait a couple more years for our systems to get added to the driver databasis for unix and linux support |
| 16:24.38 | tzafrir_laptop | slashme, from a squid cache? |
| 16:24.54 | slashme | tzafrir_laptop no, by sniffing passing packets. |
| 16:24.56 | meff | elephantman: yes but sadly you'll probably need to install debian manually via debootstrap on a livecd that does support your revision of that card :/ |
| 16:25.17 | meff | elephantman: thats what i had to do |
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| 16:25.20 | clint- | do'nt feel bad. when I installed PC BSD, yeah it was easy and fast to install. 12 minutes.. however.. It didnt' even recornize my keyboard.. and I went to type u. and it typed 4. and everything else was actin funny. however fast system though. fastest i have yet seen. besides not mounting a live cd to ram.. 1 gB recommended :) |
| 16:25.46 | tzafrir_laptop | slashme, implement something that captures only images, and it can be easily converted into a screen-saver |
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| 16:25.52 | elephantman | meff: i don't understand...you mean i'd have to reinstall debian ? |
| 16:26.04 | meff | elephantman: oh do you have it installed? |
| 16:26.16 | elephantman | meff: yes it configuring packages now |
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| 16:26.34 | secureboot | anyone away of a nice package that will either map a list of IPs to a geographical map either by looking through snort/apache logs or from a text file with the IP addrs? |
| 16:26.35 | elephantman | meff: but it the second successive time i install it |
| 16:26.37 | meff | elephantman: cool. go to syskonnect.com and build their module for your yukon card to work |
| 16:26.38 | slashme | tzafrir_laptop Yep, that would work, but as I remember, one already exists. It depended on some or other packet sniffer, iirc, but for the life of me I can't remember what it was. |
| 16:26.40 | secureboot | s/away/aware |
| 16:26.41 | clint- | pretty sad that PC BSD recognized the max it could put my screen in resolution .. however debian wants to test my patience :) |
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| 16:27.02 | elephantman | meff: ok thanx |
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| 16:27.23 | clint- | hey elephantman |
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| 16:27.44 | meff | elephantman: http://syskonnect.com/syskonnect/support/driver/d0102_driver.html |
| 16:27.44 | fbi | clint-: so run PC BSD instead of whining in here about it. |
| 16:27.57 | clint- | nah thats the thing .. had problems witth that too |
| 16:28.00 | stew | clint-: then just use bsd's x config file in debian |
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| 16:28.06 | clint- | haha |
| 16:28.08 | clint- | I can? |
| 16:28.10 | clint- | :D |
| 16:28.10 | stew | yes |
| 16:28.10 | elephantman | clint-: yep |
| 16:28.14 | clint- | yay :D |
| 16:28.16 | darsie | Hi! I have a Conflicts/Pre-Depend loop in apt-get install which is a "GRAVE BUG". Shall I wait before I use APT::Force-LoopBreak so it can be further investigated? I haven't dist-upgraded a long time and there are now 903 packages to upgrade. Upgrading to stable would require 222 MB download. |
| 16:28.17 | clint- | 8-) |
| 16:28.23 | BusMaster | i've got a dir with lots of sub dirs. I want to view all the .rar files in the dir and its sub-dir's. what command should i give? i tried ls -lR dirname/*.rar, but it only returns the .rar files in dirname, not its sub-dirs |
| 16:28.31 | darsie | haehh |
| 16:28.40 | clint- | I'll be sure to email that and download it in debian :D |
| 16:28.51 | clint- | :) |
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| 16:29.03 | clint- | fbi stop being so negative ;) |
| 16:29.06 | Wanderer | Anyone real familair with BitTorrent/BitTornado? I'm trying to set it up to get the latest kernel. I've gotten the torrent file and I'm trying to run btdownloadmanycurses and I'm getting an error that the port is in use |
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| 16:29.16 | darsie | ignore my msg, there must be a bug in kvirc. |
| 16:29.16 | slashme | BusMaster find dirname -name "*.rar" |
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| 16:29.48 | clint- | stew and elephantman, you guys are going have a good new years :) |
| 16:29.49 | BusMaster | slashme, that worked. thanks |
| 16:29.51 | M4hd1 | hi, what should i use to get my proc temperature and fan speed? ACPID or SENSORD? |
| 16:29.54 | mhall | darsie: usually easiest thing to do is use aptitude download to get debs of broken stuff |
| 16:30.00 | slashme | BusMaster Pleasure |
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| 16:30.14 | mhall | darsie: then dpkg --force-depends --install |
| 16:30.17 | BusMaster | slashme, and if I want *.rar as well as *.zip? |
| 16:30.30 | slashme | BusMaster find dirname -name "*.rar" -o -name "*.zip" |
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| 16:30.41 | BusMaster | slashme, thanks |
| 16:30.52 | slashme | BusMaster, np |
| 16:30.53 | mik54 | if I wanted to write a simple script to ssh into a box and get for example uptime, how would I display the information on the machine I cam ssh;ing from? |
| 16:31.01 | clint- | hey stew |
| 16:31.05 | elephantman | I didn't know it was gnome by default on the debian R3.1 |
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| 16:31.14 | stew | mik54: "ssh user@remotehost uptime" |
| 16:31.15 | clint- | how would I copy that xconfig from bsd bud |
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| 16:31.36 | clint- | lol yep elephantman :P |
| 16:31.43 | thingfish | cool, it's been a year since I started using Debian. |
| 16:31.46 | stew | elephantman: no its nothing by default |
| 16:31.57 | clint- | it has Kde as well |
| 16:32.01 | stew | clint-: copy it to a floppy / usbkey / another partition / a pastebin |
| 16:32.09 | clint- | k |
| 16:32.11 | clint- | tyvm |
| 16:32.25 | elephantman | stew: ok but it didn't ask me which one i want to install ? Or maybe i didn't pay attention |
| 16:32.29 | mhall | mik54: what you will need in order to make this work is the ssh agent |
| 16:32.30 | stew | clint-: can you please at least ditch the lines that only contain "k" |
| 16:32.37 | clint- | np |
| 16:32.43 | mhall | mik54: man ssh-agent |
| 16:32.51 | stew | elephantman: be default x isn't even installed, you must have chosen a desktop "task" |
| 16:33.03 | elephantman | well gnome look cool - even if i use kde usually |
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| 16:33.52 | clint- | I got another favor.. real important. when I wanted to view other information or get files .. or look at from other parittions .. debian said something about 2.6 kernel and hald.. someting to do with volume manager |
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| 16:34.43 | cahoot | mik54: this might be of some help: http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/09/how-to-setup-ssh-keys-and-why.html |
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| 16:34.57 | clint- | hi mhall :) |
| 16:35.10 | elephantman | Which one is the most 'devellopped' between gnome & kde ? |
| 16:35.19 | clint- | KDE I would presume |
| 16:35.25 | azeem | elephantman: they are both alright to use |
| 16:35.28 | Bob332 | is there any way to clear a dns cache in debian??? or any nix for that matter??? |
| 16:35.42 | darsie | I now upgraded e2fsprogs via stable to testing. Is it now dangerous to uprade the remaining 895 packages directly to testing? |
| 16:35.47 | slushpupie | Bob332: which server? |
| 16:35.58 | clint- | ele, KDE is constantly changing at a fast rapid pace. and www.kde-look.org *-) very awesome |
| 16:35.59 | slushpupie | Bob332: if you are running bind, you can just restart bind |
| 16:36.01 | klausi | ok i am installing debian from the net cd. is it possible to select no packages at the aptitude menu? |
| 16:36.05 | beardy | In time, a bit, KDE started before gnome, developed in development, I don't know. |
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| 16:36.20 | vladkao | klausi: netinstall CD ? |
| 16:36.37 | klausi | yes |
| 16:36.39 | clint- | 90's |
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| 16:36.43 | vladkao | no probs |
| 16:36.47 | gsnedders | what version of KDE is included with stable? |
| 16:36.51 | klausi | ok |
| 16:36.55 | azeem | gsnedders: check packages.debian.org |
| 16:37.04 | beardy | !tell gsnedders -about search |
| 16:37.11 | gsnedders | doesn\t really help... |
| 16:37.12 | clint- | there testing 3.5 |
| 16:37.17 | clint- | oh |
| 16:37.18 | azeem | gsnedders: why not? |
| 16:37.20 | clint- | 3.3 I think |
| 16:37.31 | gsnedders | http://packages.debian.org/stable/kde/kde - I sere no version |
| 16:37.31 | clint- | I'm pretty sure on that :) |
| 16:37.32 | HPS`Fresh | gsnedders 3.3 defently |
| 16:37.43 | clint- | http://www.kde.org/ |
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| 16:37.51 | clint- | you can update your KDE version |
| 16:37.59 | gsnedders | i know |
| 16:38.01 | azeem | gsnedders: well, try kde-core |
| 16:38.14 | clint- | sorry |
| 16:38.17 | gsnedders | azeem: tried a lot :) |
| 16:38.17 | azeem | (and then kdebase) |
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| 16:38.24 | azeem | Package: kdebase (4:3.3.2-1sarge1) |
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| 16:38.24 | gsnedders | ah |
| 16:38.38 | azeem | gsnedders: the others are meta-package, they have no useful version |
| 16:38.38 | clint- | okay, now I'm at .. Configuring xserver-xfree86 |
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| 16:38.49 | clint- | should I do medium. or ADvanced.. o_O |
| 16:39.14 | mikesol | morning folks |
| 16:39.19 | smcavoy | hello, I recently moved from 3.0 to 3.1 and upgraded cyrus-imapd to cyrus21-imapd. Is there a replacement for the function of pwcheck_pam (I have users listed in a PG db). |
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| 16:39.46 | beardy | clint-: Do you know the specs of your monitor? If not, medium, or simple, or easy, or what's it called. |
| 16:39.53 | slashme | That screensaver that I was thinking of was webcollage, works with driftnet. |
| 16:39.56 | clint- | k |
| 16:39.56 | beardy | mikesol: evening |
| 16:40.05 | Router_hh | i'am configuring java a folowing the sun documentation to install but firefox are still give me to need a plug-ins |
| 16:40.06 | sandman | What's teh moduli file for (under /etc/ssh) |
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| 16:40.28 | clint- | Well thats the thing, dam ACer couldn't even provide me with my horizontal and vertical sync ranges. however stew and others said just copy the xconfig and replace it to your debian system |
| 16:40.31 | stew | Router_hh: don't follow suns documentation; /msg ravenbird java-package |
| 16:40.42 | beardy | dpkg quiet on purpose? |
| 16:40.50 | clint- | from y FreeBSD system.. |
| 16:40.51 | stew | or not |
| 16:41.08 | Router_hh | thanks stew |
| 16:41.16 | clint- | I did the.. linux vga=771 and dam it. I sure wish it would just stay that way |
| 16:41.17 | mikesol | beardy: i strongly wish it was the evening as i would be home instead of here at work |
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| 16:41.23 | tabas | YO SOY ESPAÑOL |
| 16:41.26 | stew | @java-package is a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
| 16:41.27 | ravenbird | stew: okay |
| 16:41.32 | antgel_ | how can i do a broadcast ping type-thing that will show me all the IPs on the physical network, no matter what subnet? |
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| 16:41.47 | azeem | tabas: #debian-es |
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| 16:41.55 | quiet | where's dpkg at? |
| 16:42.02 | stew | quiet: california |
| 16:42.07 | tabas | NO OS ENTIENDO |
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| 16:42.12 | quiet | heh |
| 16:42.13 | mikesol | antgel_: ethereal might help you, but it's hard to know what's there unless it's sending packets isnt it |
| 16:42.18 | thingfish | !es |
| 16:42.19 | beardy | mikesol: I'm home, but then I'm only closer to the next morning.. |
| 16:42.36 | thingfish | ~es |
| 16:42.37 | apt | Para los usuarios debian de habla hispana que requieren la ayuda, ensamble por favor el canal del #debian-es -- Spanish-speaking debian users requiring support, please join #debian-es |
| 16:42.39 | mikesol | beardy: we're both going to get real depressed with this train of thought. it's email checkin time |
| 16:42.45 | azeem | thingfish: 17:36 < azeem> tabas: #debian-es |
| 16:42.47 | beardy | tabas: /join #debian.es |
| 16:43.08 | thingfish | azeem: s/he seemed to need a reminder. |
| 16:43.13 | beardy | mikesol: Yeah, let's think of something else, or try.. |
| 16:43.13 | clint- | hey beardy |
| 16:43.18 | azeem | hrm, yeah |
| 16:43.29 | beardy | clint-: yes? |
| 16:43.33 | clint- | this is what I got m8 |
| 16:43.38 | clint- | -> http://www.acerpanam.com/synapse/forms/portal.cfm?recordid=295&formid=3404&website=AcerPanAm.com&originwebsite=AcerPanAm.com¢ral=1&words=all&keywords=&pupv=pu |
| 16:43.38 | tabas | KDECIS |
| 16:44.07 | clint- | need all the help I can get. I been stressin myself reading. about to join the insane for open source institution :) |
| 16:44.08 | antgel_ | mikesol: tcpdump going to be as good for this? |
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| 16:45.03 | beardy | clint-: I'll look. Check out http://ln-s.net/ or tinyurl.com |
| 16:45.15 | clint- | 15.4" WXGA CrystalBrite TFT LCD, 1280 x 800 x 16.7m colors thats the screen |
| 16:45.40 | clint- | wow thats cool |
| 16:45.41 | sandman | is -march=i386 any more stable than -march=i686? |
| 16:46.06 | azeem | sandman: doubt it |
| 16:46.27 | mikesol | antgel_: i'm not good at tcpdump, but with most of those it just shows that your nic grabs in promiscuous mode |
| 16:46.33 | clint- | so what you think beardy |
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| 16:46.58 | mikesol | antgel, why not try unplugging the router from the internet for a minute and then nmapping the entire universe with -sP |
| 16:47.13 | mikesol | wait that might not work |
| 16:47.15 | mikesol | :P |
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| 16:47.44 | mikesol | you almost need some kind of ARP scan |
| 16:48.06 | beardy | clint-: Well, select that resolution when configuring X? |
| 16:48.14 | mikesol | antgel_: try the 'arping' package |
| 16:48.21 | clint- | thats the thing. whenI hit enter. it won't put it up in that.. :( |
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| 16:48.39 | beardy | clint-: space to mark them |
| 16:48.45 | clint- | ? |
| 16:48.55 | clint- | I havn't hit nothing yet. I've only done this over 10 times install lol. |
| 16:49.09 | clint- | space to mark then? |
| 16:49.10 | abrotman | the spacebar |
| 16:49.14 | clint- | okay |
| 16:49.32 | beardy | clint-: What are you doing right now? Aren't you running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 16:49.35 | beardy | ? |
| 16:49.46 | clint- | 1280x960 @ 60 Hz is highlighted |
| 16:49.51 | clint- | oh |
| 16:50.07 | clint- | I"m still on the install lol |
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| 16:50.19 | stew | you said you have 1280x800, not x960 |
| 16:50.24 | clint- | right |
| 16:50.44 | beardy | clint-: Select the resolution you want, 1280x800, and hit the spacebar to select it. |
| 16:50.53 | clint- | bad thing though.. debian doesn't give me an option of 1280x800 though |
| 16:51.15 | stew | clint-: why aren't you using your working config file from bsd? |
| 16:51.24 | mikesol | clint- you may have to manually add the mode in the config file. though, that may break debconf for the tile in the future |
| 16:51.35 | mikesol | s/tile/file |
| 16:51.37 | clint- | oh.. I erased that partition. going install FreeBSD and probably shoot myself afterwords |
| 16:51.46 | clint- | oh |
| 16:51.54 | clint- | thanks alot guys.. |
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| 16:52.11 | stew | he's got some kind of unix Munchhausen's syndrome |
| 16:52.14 | clint- | maybe I should just hit 1024x768 to be save |
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| 16:52.18 | clint- | safe* |
| 16:52.22 | e-head | Guys ... just how scary is it to upgrade to 3.1 ? |
| 16:52.23 | keks | hello! |
| 16:52.31 | azeem | e-head: from 3.0? |
| 16:52.33 | clint- | well I can be fast in the command line mode.. meh |
| 16:52.41 | azeem | e-head: just read the release notes and you should be fine |
| 16:52.41 | e-head | No, from a 2.? system. |
| 16:52.53 | e-head | alrighty. :) |
| 16:53.00 | azeem | e-head: then update to the next release successively until you hit 3.1 |
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| 16:53.13 | beardy | clint-: When you are finished, make a backup copy of your config. After that you can edit it and change the resolution to the one you want to use. |
| 16:53.21 | clint- | ah |
| 16:53.23 | stew | e-head: what does "cat /etc/debian_version" say? |
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| 16:53.41 | clint- | k.. I am doin this highlight. .and then arrow or enter only thing I can hit to check it.. |
| 16:53.54 | e-head | stew: that's bizarre. it says 3.1 |
| 16:54.04 | e-head | but I installed this sytem almost 2 years ago. |
| 16:54.32 | e-head | and have never done an "apt-get upgrade" before on it. |
| 16:54.34 | mtaq | Hi all, can anyone help me add a module into the kernel, I have the kernel-headers package, but I still get a ton of errors |
| 16:54.44 | elephantman | I tried to manually install the Marvell Yukon driver (sk98lin) - But the drivers doesn't install, it tells me : 'Check kernel header files (not found)' |
| 16:54.48 | keks | hey i'm new to debian and linux.. a few things i know but i need to learn much more. may anybody can tell me where i can download mods? i need a mod called via_velocity for my eth card onboard (the via_rhino and a lot of other cards are supported, but there is no driver for the velocity) |
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| 16:54.52 | clint- | I don't care about making back ups too much. I just want my dam resolution to be higher than 800x600 so I can read books. and be happy :) |
| 16:55.06 | stew | e-head: what does version does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" report? |
| 16:55.09 | elephantman | It tells me to make a symlink to /usr/src/linux but i don't have the kernel sources |
| 16:55.24 | beardy | keks: If you mean modules, please use the correct word, which is "modules". |
| 16:55.30 | e-head | stew: ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 16:55.35 | stew | elephantman: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 16:55.45 | stew | e-head: that is 3.1 as well |
| 16:55.45 | clint- | oh come on.. is this English class :P |
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| 16:55.52 | e-head | hmm |
| 16:55.55 | clint- | I forgot my books at home :) |
| 16:56.04 | beardy | If he wants help, we have to understand him. |
| 16:56.09 | e-head | i was running testing before. |
| 16:56.15 | clint- | yeah I know. just givin ya hard time beardy :P |
| 16:56.18 | keks | beardy: i'm sorry.. yes i modules.. i need the via_velocity module but i dont know where to get it |
| 16:56.25 | clint- | ty for the help 8-) |
| 16:56.28 | e-head | or possibly unstable even. |
| 16:56.47 | e-head | no, testing. |
| 16:56.48 | azeem | e-head: does sources.list say stable? |
| 16:56.58 | e-head | apt.conf says testing. |
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| 16:57.00 | mtaq | http://pastebin.ca/28671 |
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| 16:57.27 | azeem | e-head: well, I'd set everything back to stable and try to apt-get upgrade anything which is still outdated |
| 16:57.32 | e-head | azeem: my sources.list has sources for unstable too. |
| 16:57.42 | azeem | e-head: that's just asking for trouble |
| 16:57.44 | e-head | azeem: good idea. |
| 16:57.52 | azeem | e-head: well, depends on what you do with your box, of course |
| 16:57.52 | e-head | yeah. i know it. |
| 16:58.00 | e-head | it's not a real critical box. |
| 16:58.12 | e-head | i think i just "had to have" a couple of unstable packages. |
| 16:58.16 | azeem | but once you're at a known good state (3.1 stable) you can upgrade to testing or unstable with less pain |
| 16:58.25 | e-head | true. |
| 16:58.31 | Gnea | oh ouch |
| 16:59.33 | beardy | keks: Isn't the module compiled for the kernel you are running now? Have you tried 'modprobe via_velocity'? (as root) |
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| 17:01.22 | PuGz | hey guys. my sudo command lets me execute commands without typing my password. i dont want this. my sudoers file however does NOT specify NOPASSWD for the user. i merely have the following 2 lines: |
| 17:01.26 | PuGz | rootALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 17:01.29 | PuGz | %staffALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 17:01.32 | keks | beardy: no.. it cant load.. i just checked this. the module is also not in the list (lsmod) |
| 17:01.33 | PuGz | damn tabs not showing up right |
| 17:01.43 | bizkit | hi, i'm searching clients for sftp (the ssh subsystem, _not_ ftp via ssl). can anyone suggest me one? (i did an apt-cache search, but I think there are more outside?). lftp works fine, I would like one with a ncurses gui, what about mc? is mc able to use sftp? |
| 17:02.06 | PuGz | bizkit: filezilla |
| 17:02.07 | elephantman | stew: sorry - is it 'linux-headers-2.6.12-1-386' ? |
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| 17:02.34 | elephantman | stew: cause 'kernel-headers..' doesn't exists for my 2.6.12 |
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| 17:02.43 | valdyn_ | elephantman: uname -r |
| 17:02.53 | bizkit | PuGz: where to get that? it's not in sid.. or is there no debian package? |
| 17:02.54 | PuGz | bizkit: http://filezilla.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 17:02.57 | stew | elephantman: yes, as of 2.6.11 kernel-* was renamed linux-* (i was guessing you were running stable) |
| 17:03.00 | bizkit | PuGz: thanks. |
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| 17:03.28 | PuGz | bizkit: hmmm... maybe thats just for windows...? |
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| 17:03.51 | valdyn_ | elephantman: why dont you just 'modprobe sk98lin' ? |
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| 17:04.03 | madar | how can i change root pass? |
| 17:04.04 | PuGz | any help with my sudo problem mentioned above? |
| 17:04.06 | stew | PuGz: change ALL=(ALL) ALL to ALL=PASSWD: ALL |
| 17:04.10 | PuGz | madar: passwd root |
| 17:04.15 | PuGz | madar: must be run as root |
| 17:04.26 | elephantman | valdyn_: yes but the default one doesn't seem to work with my card |
| 17:04.32 | madar | othy |
| 17:04.35 | madar | thy |
| 17:04.35 | PuGz | stew: ok... why does it need that... should it not be set to need a password by default? |
| 17:04.37 | madar | thx |
| 17:04.40 | PuGz | stew: ps... thanks |
| 17:04.43 | valdyn_ | elephantman: so you are trying to use the drivers from marvell? |
| 17:04.46 | bizkit | PuGz: .. erm, yes.. looks like windows only plus its not for the console (eg. libncurses) |
| 17:04.47 | PuGz | stew: it is in most other distrods |
| 17:04.49 | smcavoy | can someone point to where I can find what cyrus-imapd's xinetd entry should be ( it doesn't seem to auto add the service when I install) |
| 17:04.51 | stew | PuGz: dunno, just telling you what works for me |
| 17:04.53 | elephantman | valdyn_: yes |
| 17:05.06 | fbi | distrod? sounds kinky. |
| 17:05.07 | PuGz | stew: cheers |
| 17:05.13 | valdyn_ | elephantman: you could ( should ) try skge first AND check if sk98lin just "does not work" because skge is loaded |
| 17:05.15 | elephantman | valdyn_: same as yesterday - i installed the full CD1 of debian R3.1 as you told me |
| 17:05.16 | clint- | dam lol. I go ta buddy . he just installed debian. and like me at first. it just sits there.. eh. just didn't check a couple things right in the install :P |
| 17:05.34 | valdyn_ | elephantman: you're currently running 2.6.12 though? |
| 17:05.35 | abrotman | i think you guys are all getting seriously trolled |
| 17:05.41 | fbi | abrotman: agreed |
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| 17:05.53 | elephantman | valdyn_: you mean i 'insmod sk98lin' then if it doesn't work i try the manual one ? |
| 17:05.58 | stew | !insmod |
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| 17:05.59 | elephantman | valdyn_: yes |
| 17:06.03 | valdyn_ | elephantman: you never use insmod |
| 17:06.07 | stew | @insmod |
| 17:06.07 | ravenbird | TRY USING 'modprobe' before you complain! |
| 17:06.12 | elephantman | valdyn_: sorry 'modprobe' |
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| 17:06.36 | valdyn_ | elephantman: its a huge difference if you used just 'insmod' |
| 17:06.50 | valdyn_ | elephantman: im not sure if skge is in 2.6.12 already, try it anyway |
| 17:06.51 | elephantman | valdyn_: no sorry i used 'modprobe' |
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| 17:07.03 | elephantman | valdyn_: what is 'skge' ? |
| 17:07.10 | valdyn_ | elephantman: but make sure that not both are loaded at the same time ( modprobe -r <modulename> |
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| 17:07.18 | elephantman | valdyn_: so i first 'modprobe sk98lin' ? |
| 17:07.21 | jeanjacques | hello |
| 17:07.23 | fbi | elephantman: you aren't supposed to use insmod with 2.6 kernels anyway. |
| 17:07.28 | valdyn_ | elephantman: clean rewrite of a marvel driver |
| 17:07.31 | john_doe | I have enabled quota on my system. Where do I apply the email adresses for my users, so that they will get the quota notes? In /etc/passwd? |
| 17:07.37 | stazich | can anyone share with me a list of repositories i should add to have access to more software than i do now, with the repositories that are by default in Synaptic.. i need gto add more, dont know what.. |
| 17:07.50 | valdyn_ | elephantman: 'modprobe -r sk98lin' to remove it 'modprobe skge' to insert that one |
| 17:07.54 | jeanjacques | i've just searched for a package inside webmin which could allow me to manage users and groups, i haven't found it, do you know one ? |
| 17:07.57 | elephantman | fbi: so how do i load this module ? |
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| 17:08.25 | fbi | stazich: you probably want marillat |
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| 17:08.34 | elephantman | valdyn_: ok maybe i am stupid but why not 'modprobe sk98lin' to insert it ? |
| 17:08.41 | stew | stazich: what packages specifically? |
| 17:08.47 | fbi | does apt have a marillat factoid? |
| 17:08.48 | valdyn_ | elephantman: i thought you tried that already |
| 17:08.55 | stew | ~marillat |
| 17:08.56 | apt | [marillat] an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ |
| 17:08.59 | fbi | cheers. |
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| 17:09.04 | klausi | how can i stop xserver from automatically starting at boot? |
| 17:09.15 | stew | klausi: /msg apt nodm |
| 17:09.18 | fbi | klausi: man update-rc.d |
| 17:09.51 | gunnar | marillat doesn't work for me lately. But I found some other mplayer deb package |
| 17:09.56 | klausi | that wont help me because i cant even log in through console i get a blank screen after booting |
| 17:09.58 | clint- | k |
| 17:10.04 | stew | gunnar: doesn't work in what way? |
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| 17:10.10 | elephantman | valdyn_: 'modprobe skge' > FATAL: Module not found |
| 17:10.22 | stew | elephantman: that module wasn't added until 2.6.14 |
| 17:10.24 | valdyn_ | elephantman: ok.. its not in 2.6.12 then |
| 17:10.27 | clint- | I am kind of happy with my install.. mouse synaptic touchpad works nice.. grtaphics ain't bad for 800x600.. and I am just going try to be patient |
| 17:10.37 | stazich | i want t install amule.. |
| 17:10.38 | fbi | gunnar: change to debian codenames in your marillat entry |
| 17:10.38 | gunnar | it needs some weird dependencies |
| 17:10.40 | elephantman | valdyn_: after the 'modprobe' command, i should only 'networking restart' or 'ifconfig up eth0' ? |
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| 17:10.52 | clint- | net works awesome like the last time I checked. my bandwidth works at extremely fast speeds. and I can't believe it.. |
| 17:10.53 | valdyn_ | yea ive been using 2.6.12-mm1 for months, which confused me |
| 17:11.03 | gunnar | my friend in italy had just the same problem on ubuntu |
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| 17:11.08 | stazich | whats url of marillat? |
| 17:11.10 | PuGz | stew: i worked out what the problem was. my user was a part of the group sudo |
| 17:11.14 | clint- | probleM? |
| 17:11.21 | fbi | stazich: amule is in debian, in testing/unstable |
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| 17:11.31 | valdyn_ | elephantman: hmm, you should probably read the documentation. Configured interfaces are brought up with 'ifup eth0' |
| 17:11.34 | elephantman | ok so i install the kernel headers then retry my manual install |
| 17:11.47 | valdyn_ | elephantman: pure ifconfig up eth0 wont do much at all.. |
| 17:11.51 | stew | clint-: edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 where you see Modes "800x600" add "1280x800" at the beginning of the modes list. if you still don't get the mode you want read the log to find out why |
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| 17:12.13 | stazich | well, ok guys... but i do not have unstable in Synaptic.. how do i add that repository?? or marillat... :) i just installed the system and all it has is debian ftp/ stable ;-) |
| 17:12.18 | clint- | k |
| 17:12.20 | stew | PuGz: ahh |
| 17:12.20 | clint- | 1 s3ec bud |
| 17:12.27 | valdyn_ | elephantman: first of all however you should run 'ifconfig -a' to see if eth0 is around at all |
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| 17:12.34 | bizkit | is there a way to remotely mount a virtual filesystem using ssh/sftp? |
| 17:12.47 | fbi | stazich: i just told you. amule is in testing/unstable. try and backport it or upgrade your system. |
| 17:12.51 | clint- | so what should I do bud. open a root console.. or go into that directory |
| 17:12.57 | valdyn_ | bizkit: with fuse ahs sshfs, yes |
| 17:13.01 | valdyn_ | bizkit: with fuse and sshfs, yes |
| 17:13.14 | clint- | I think I am going leave BSD alone. unix is way harder than linux.. let me say that lol |
| 17:13.21 | stazich | fbi : i do not have unstable in list of repositories in synaptic.. can u help me add it? |
| 17:13.24 | sandman | Why does apt-build install apt-spy fail, but apt-get source -b apt-spy work? |
| 17:13.25 | abrotman | fbi: most definitely |
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| 17:13.29 | valdyn_ | bizkit: skip the 'virtual' though |
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| 17:13.44 | clint- | I might mess with that. when they even get more support for embedded controllers. 1 thing I can say about debian is.. you won't get that :P |
| 17:13.49 | elephantman | valdyn_: yes i see 'eth0, lo, sit0' when i 'ifconfig -a' |
| 17:13.53 | JQuazar | fresh Sarge build here, when I say `man 5 smb.conf` I get error "/tmp/zmanSTp2Sv:79: warning: can't find numbered character 160", clues? |
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| 17:14.11 | fbi | stazich: you're are willing to upgrade and possibly break your entire system before looking into backporting it? |
| 17:14.20 | fbi | s/you're/you/g |
| 17:14.20 | bizkit | valdyn_: however i don't want to mount a complete remote fs, but instead e.g. the homedir of the use i log on with ssh on the remote machine .. |
| 17:14.21 | stew | clint-: run "editor /etc/X11/XF86Config-4" as root |
| 17:14.23 | abrotman | or looking at apt-get.org |
| 17:14.25 | valdyn_ | elephantman: fine, read the faq on how to set it up, or 'man interfaces' |
| 17:14.26 | clint- | k bud |
| 17:14.26 | djp | can anyone help me with local delivery of mail? |
| 17:14.30 | bizkit | s/use/user/ |
| 17:14.49 | valdyn_ | bizkit: i dont understand what you want |
| 17:14.51 | clint- | thanks for your patience and to everyones as well. for helping me |
| 17:14.58 | clint- | sorry about the enters |
| 17:14.59 | stew | clint-: can you please at least ditch the lines that only contain "k" |
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| 17:15.35 | mytruehero | does anyone know how I can run vncserver on screen 0? |
| 17:15.41 | stazich | what do u mean backporting?i just wanna add those unstable repositories and install amule... is there something else i need to do in between?? if so tell me please |
| 17:15.47 | elephantman | i am sorry but how i configure graphically loadable kernel modules ? |
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| 17:15.55 | valdyn_ | mytruehero: you cant do that, that is not what vncserver does |
| 17:16.00 | elephantman | I think its something like 'modconf' |
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| 17:16.05 | smcavoy | elephantman: what do you mean? |
| 17:16.10 | beardy | elephantman: "graphically loadable"? |
| 17:16.12 | abrotman | modconf is an ncurses interface to loading modules |
| 17:16.12 | smcavoy | oh |
| 17:16.15 | fbi | ~backport |
| 17:16.17 | apt | it has been said that backport is a package that was compiled for an older debian release. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ |
| 17:16.19 | abrotman | !modconf |
| 17:16.20 | smcavoy | as in use a gui |
| 17:16.21 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 17:16.25 | mytruehero | valdyn_: oh? is there any way I can connect to screen 0 with a vnc client? |
| 17:16.27 | bizkit | valdyn_: I'd like to mount remote:/home/bla as local:/files using a running sftp/ssh/scp system without setting up e.g. nfs via ssh-tunnel |
| 17:16.29 | elephantman | I mean the same interface that when you "make xconfig" |
| 17:16.31 | fbi | ~simple sid backport |
| 17:16.32 | apt | i guess simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :) |
| 17:16.36 | jeanjacques | webmin-usermin is made to manage webmin users but not the system users ? which module should i use ? |
| 17:16.41 | valdyn_ | mytruehero: vino does that, i dont know what else does |
| 17:16.42 | stew | mytruehero: you want the "rfb" vnc server |
| 17:16.50 | keks | pls, i need help.. where i can download modules?! (i need the via_velocity module for my eth card onboard) |
| 17:17.10 | beardy | mytruehero: If you use the vncserver that uses the xserver that is running, and not starts it's own. |
| 17:17.18 | mytruehero | thanks. I'll look into those |
| 17:17.28 | stew | keks: what does "uname -r" say? and what version of debian are you running? |
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| 17:17.48 | PuGz | bizkit: turns out you can use sftp:// addresses in nautilus... but thats not console... just letting u know |
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| 17:18.02 | gunnar | I got mplayer from here if anyone wondered (maybe will be included in official debian, because it just includes 2 scripts to install the codecs automaticly instead of adding the codecs): http://tonelli.sns.it/pub/mplayer/sarge/ |
| 17:18.04 | bizkit | PuGz: thanks though.. |
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| 17:18.13 | clint- | Got it up. and ready to go |
| 17:18.16 | elephantman | Yes its 'modconf' |
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| 17:18.29 | kitux | could somebody explainme what's a mockup? |
| 17:18.31 | valdyn_ | bizkit: that is what fuse + sshfs does |
| 17:18.32 | gunnar | http://people.debian.org/~mjr/legal/mplayer.html |
| 17:18.43 | mikesol | i just learned that out 386-based electronics pick-and-place machine just had a hard drive die and there is no backup |
| 17:19.08 | valdyn_ | bizkit: and it needs fuse / sshfs only locally, the remote server just runs ssh |
| 17:19.41 | bizkit | valdyn_: sounds really good. thanks |
| 17:19.49 | clint- | cool. that doc helps out alot |
| 17:19.56 | clint- | man .. artical. whatever it is |
| 17:19.58 | konfuzed | im trying to work out this apt-get thing for the first time here |
| 17:20.05 | keks | uname: 2.4.27-2-386 my version is sarge (i just downloaded the stable 1-1 1/2 week ago) |
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| 17:20.16 | stew | keks: what cpu do you have? |
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| 17:20.30 | konfuzed | apt-get doesnt seem to have a search and apt-cache search doesnt tellme if the package is installed or not |
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| 17:20.50 | keks | amd 64bit 3000+ (winchester core if its necessary :D) |
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| 17:20.53 | valdyn_ | konfuzed: dpkg -l <package> |
| 17:21.00 | konfuzed | how do I search for packages installed and seperately serach for pacages not installed |
| 17:21.05 | djp | how do i read system mail? |
| 17:21.21 | djp | i have a default desktop debian 3.1 stable install |
| 17:21.24 | konfuzed | or better yet search once with the results also saying whether it is installed or not |
| 17:21.31 | stew | keks: if you install a 2.6 kernel you will have a velocity driver, but i don't know about 64 bit, you might want to ask #debian-amd64 |
| 17:21.44 | keks | i couldnt boot the 64bit sarge version.. i dont know why.. so i just decided to use the 32bit one.. |
| 17:21.46 | clint- | so I guess I type.. " man XF86Config-4" at the shell prompt? |
| 17:21.47 | JQuazar | konfuzed: `dpkg -l` lists installed packages |
| 17:22.01 | keks | how i update the kernel? |
| 17:22.02 | JQuazar | fresh Sarge build here, when I say `man 5 smb.conf` I get error "/tmp/zmanSTp2Sv:79: warning: can't find numbered character 160", clues? |
| 17:22.03 | valdyn_ | konfuzed: you could just use synaptic or aptitude |
| 17:22.10 | konfuzed | djp: the install I just did sends all system mail to the first non root user I created |
| 17:22.11 | e-head | Can I force everything to "stable" when doing an "apt-get upgrade", even if I have a few renegade "testing" or "unstable" packages ? |
| 17:22.12 | stew | keks: then "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-k7" would be my guess |
| 17:22.19 | keks | thanks a lot! |
| 17:22.25 | valdyn_ | e-head: no |
| 17:22.34 | dusk | keks: apt-cache search kernel-image, pick the right one |
| 17:22.36 | e-head | hmm ... |
| 17:22.38 | clint- | oh thats what I need.. kernel 2.6 eh :) |
| 17:22.59 | djp | konfuzed, sure. but i don't receive any! i have 3 messages that have been sent to root. however using local delivery with evolution, i can retrieve nothing... |
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| 17:23.10 | e-head | I have some packages it said were being "held back". Is that most likely stuff that is already at a more current version ? |
| 17:23.21 | stew | ~held back |
| 17:23.22 | apt | i guess held back is dick |
| 17:23.23 | e-head | When I did "apt-get upgrade" that is. |
| 17:23.27 | djp | konfuzed, how do you read your system messages? |
| 17:23.30 | clint- | hey stew., I'm at that XF86-4 (/etc/X11) - VIM |
| 17:23.55 | konfuzed | JQuazar: so dpkg -l |grep "search name" to see if it is installed |
| 17:23.57 | stew | ~no held back is when packages have not been upgraded, even though newer versions are available, because it cannot resolve dependencies for the newer version, or when you told it to hold packages, or when you used "upgrade" instead of "dist-upgrade", or the safest way to resolve this is perhaps to 'apt-get -s install <kept-package>' and see why it wasn't automatically upgrading the package |
| 17:23.59 | apt | okay, stew |
| 17:24.01 | bizkit | valdyn_: did you make any experience with this, speed-wise? I'm on a 100mbit link and the remote machine too sitting on the same switch, do you thinks it's as fast as sftp? (I get at least 9,5M/s with sftp) |
| 17:24.27 | stew | clint-: if you have a question, ask it |
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| 17:24.46 | konfuzed | djp: I did read that as system mail vs system messages |
| 17:24.47 | clint- | asking |
| 17:24.47 | valdyn_ | bizkit: my pentium M 1.5mhz can saturate 100mbit easily into both directions |
| 17:24.49 | christi | how can i find out what debian (version) i am running? |
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| 17:25.00 | hebfftijd | need a alternative for msn (not amsn) using gnome dekstop |
| 17:25.12 | clint- | lol.. I got my mp3 playback yayyyyyyy :D |
| 17:25.13 | PuGz | hebfftijd: gaim: gaim.sf.net |
| 17:25.13 | valdyn_ | bizkit: its just as fast as ssh is anyway, you could even change the cipher to one using less cpu |
| 17:25.14 | christi | hebfftijd: gaim |
| 17:25.16 | beardy | hebfftijd: gaim? |
| 17:25.21 | hebfftijd | thx ppl |
| 17:25.21 | clint- | Angels on my side today :) |
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| 17:25.41 | bizkit | valdyn_: if it works fine, I'll completely kick all samba and nfs crap since this its much more effort to use them through an ssh-tunnel. very nice.. thanks again ;) |
| 17:26.03 | konfuzed | djp: tail /var/log/messages |grep "querry" |
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| 17:26.27 | valdyn_ | bizkit: probably > samba, however nfs does properly support permissions, sftp / ssh cant do that |
| 17:26.27 | djp | konfuzed, well there is a mail file in my /var/mail directory which contains 3 messages |
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| 17:26.46 | konfuzed | djp: tail -l /var/log/messages I think will post all system messages to the console as they are added to messages |
| 17:26.55 | PuGz | bizkit: what is it you are trying to do, and what was the suggestion? sorry, just trying to learn for myself |
| 17:26.58 | elephantman | I am fed up with this thing - why does installing a driver need to the kernel source ? |
| 17:27.03 | christi | how can i find out what debian version i am running? |
| 17:27.06 | Nirga1 | christi: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 17:27.11 | keks | stew: is it correct that the installation ends with "Richte kernel-image-2.6-k7 ein (101) ..." or does the 101 mean that it stoped with an error!? |
| 17:27.12 | christi | thanks |
| 17:27.26 | keks | christi: uname -r |
| 17:27.34 | valdyn_ | bizkit: i assume however that you are user and admin at the same time on your client, so thats probably np |
| 17:27.34 | djp | konfuzed, so the mail file in /var/mail is probably only system messages and not system mail? is that where i am going wrong? |
| 17:27.37 | konfuzed | djp: oh you did say system mail |
| 17:27.44 | christi | keks: that's kernel version |
| 17:27.44 | keks | ah.. sry.. this is for the kernel :) |
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| 17:28.25 | djp | konfuzed, i think i should be referring to system mail, yes, sorry. |
| 17:28.27 | stew | keks: i don't know what that means |
| 17:28.33 | e-head | Hey guys ... should you do an "apt-get dist upgrade" only in the single user mode ? I mean, I'm getting ready to do it, but all my servers are still running, and hell, I'm ssh into the box and chatting on irssi ! Is this a bad idea ? |
| 17:28.35 | konfuzed | djp: uh I believe postfix cofig files have a variable for root mail user |
| 17:28.51 | konfuzed | user to send root mail to |
| 17:29.03 | djp | knofuzed, there is a mail file in my /var/mail directory and that is it. that file contains 3 messages |
| 17:29.09 | keks | stew: it mean "installing kernel-image-2.6-k7 (101) ..." |
| 17:29.11 | bizkit | valdyn_: if the uid/gid on remote and local host match the ownerships should be no problem, i think the permissions are also ok, for example does an chmod o+x file.sh on the mounted sshfs give the file o+x on the remote machine, too? this would be fine |
| 17:29.14 | elephantman | THe install of "kernel-headers()" has solved a problem - But now it says : Makefile:485: .conf...' |
| 17:29.35 | djp | konfuzed, so i should be using postfix in order to retrive root mail and not the default exim4, correct? |
| 17:29.35 | christi | msg dpkg install debian |
| 17:29.36 | valdyn_ | e-head: thats not how it works, ssh connections dont get killed when you restar the ssh server ( what dist-upgrade might do ) |
| 17:29.43 | Nrg__ | hi |
| 17:29.54 | bizkit | PuGz: I'm trying to mount a remote dir as a local filesystem over sshfs |
| 17:29.56 | keks | stew: hm.. it also could be "setup kernel-image-2.6-7k (101) ..." |
| 17:29.58 | JQuazar | konfuzed: you got it, `dpkg -l | grep package` works... as does `dpkg -l package` |
| 17:30.02 | Nrg__ | how can I force lan (e100) driver to be loaded before wlan drivers.. I'm using unstable |
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| 17:30.07 | PuGz | bizkit: any good ideas? |
| 17:30.08 | e-head | valdyn_: so, just let everything keep on running then ? |
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| 17:30.14 | stew | keks: you could always just apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-k7 again, if it says, "already the latest version" then it thinks everything is ok, if it tries to install it again, it must not have finished the last time |
| 17:30.15 | konfuzed | until they read it |
| 17:30.20 | valdyn_ | e-head: sure |
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| 17:30.24 | e-head | valdyn_: far cry from a service pack update ! |
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| 17:30.26 | konfuzed | djp /var/mail/ is the mail repository and each file or directory should contain all mail for every user |
| 17:30.27 | konfuzed | until they read it |
| 17:30.31 | e-head | on windows. |
| 17:30.32 | clint- | hey stw |
| 17:30.35 | clint- | stew* |
| 17:30.36 | stew | keks: you could also just try rebooting into it, if it doesn't work you will still have the choice of your currently running kernel |
| 17:30.48 | konfuzed | then its moved to that users real mailbox directory |
| 17:31.03 | keks | k.. thanks a lot for the help!! |
| 17:31.05 | keks | c ya |
| 17:31.06 | konfuzed | talking off top of my head here. |
| 17:31.08 | valdyn_ | e-head: upgraded services might get restart, but running programs are not affected directly by upgrades, only once you restart them you use the new version |
| 17:31.20 | e-head | i see |
| 17:31.26 | konfuzed | djp: I think postfix can be configged to bypass /var/mail |
| 17:31.27 | Nirga1 | Nrg__: I tried to do that for hours and failed. I finaly used ifrename package |
| 17:31.29 | bizkit | PuGz: when everything works, the local client is not aware that this is remote stuff. every local application thinks this are local files, so i can use every filemanager I want. fuse+sshfs does the rest |
| 17:31.35 | stew | e-head: i have moved remote servers from woody -> sarge with no issues |
| 17:31.41 | Nrg__ | nirga1, hmm |
| 17:31.50 | djp | konfuzed, do you use evolution to retrieve your root mail? |
| 17:31.57 | konfuzed | no |
| 17:31.58 | clint- | this about the 13 time now i Have done a debian 3.1 install. and I did a netinst.. from the official binary cd I coiped from the Debian 3.1 bible at Barnes and Nobles.. and everything is going alot better now.. I know it might take me ayear to get the video how i want it and wireless and everything else. however I must read and do it. and force myself otherwise I never will :) |
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| 17:32.10 | Nrg__ | nirga1, the loading order of lan/wlan drivers seems to be different every other week |
| 17:32.19 | Nrg__ | nirga1, in unstable |
| 17:32.19 | konfuzed | i have not yet checked mail on this here first debian ive ever installed |
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| 17:32.31 | clint- | me neither konfuzed |
| 17:32.34 | PuGz | bizkit: cool |
| 17:32.36 | konfuzed | mind you I have used various linux/*bsd servers before |
| 17:32.44 | Nrg__ | nirga1, I wonder what is the program loading all the drivers.. |
| 17:32.54 | Nrg__ | nirga1, I guess it whould be discover |
| 17:32.56 | Nrg__ | should |
| 17:33.01 | valdyn_ | e-head: windows does ugly as hell file locking, which might be the reason for that difference, linux doesnt lock files in that sense |
| 17:33.02 | clint- | konfuzed: . I have you tried out FreeBSD 6.0 yet. or even PC BSD? |
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| 17:33.53 | Nirga1 | Nrg__: yes, it keeps changing here too :( So ifrename is a good idea (set names from mac adress or module name and other static stuff) |
| 17:33.59 | Denn | How can i change the language of the system to english instead of german? |
| 17:34.35 | valdyn_ | Denn: dpkg-reconfigure locales, logout and back in |
| 17:34.36 | stew | Denn: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 17:34.37 | bizkit | PuGz: could do this via smb or nfs, too. but the effort to get each of them workung using an ssh-tunnel is high. plus, with fuse+sshfs i don't need anything on the server but a simple sshd. this idea came from valdyn_, it's very interesting and I'll kick all unnecessary services like nfs/smb via ssh-tunnel if it works.. |
| 17:34.58 | konfuzed | clint-: not any recent FreeBSD but currently messing with OpenBSD 3.8 firewalls |
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| 17:35.00 | JQuazar | I don't get this. Remote SMB connection works, but `smbclient //localhost...` fails. And no log entry to help. Clues? |
| 17:35.05 | clint- | ah |
| 17:35.22 | PuGz | bizkit: cool |
| 17:35.29 | bizkit | JQuazar: try running smbclient in a more verbose mode.. |
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| 17:35.49 | Nrg__ | nirga1, I'd like to find answer to this question rather.. there must be somebody who knows how this stuff should work :) |
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| 17:36.04 | clint- | I had a problem with it detecting my Keyboard. on my ACer Aspire 3610.. 1 thing i can say.. is BSD.. is really fast and it stands by its motto's.. been readin on it. and I luv kDE on BSD.. PC BSD .. which I am going install FreeBSD 6.0 probably and give myself another head ache. and not give up.. becuase unix is the fastest file system.. Unix File System :) |
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| 17:36.58 | konfuzed | i cant seem to find zlib-devel |
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| 17:37.11 | valdyn_ | konfuzed: no debian package would be called that |
| 17:37.12 | clint- | this is what was funny |
| 17:37.15 | clint- | Table 1-1: Differences between FreeBSD and Linux |
| 17:37.23 | valdyn_ | konfuzed: libzlib-dev probably |
| 17:37.31 | clint- | FreeBSD is a direct descendent of the |
| 17:37.31 | clint- | original UNIX, though it contains no |
| 17:37.31 | clint- | residual AT&T code. |
| 17:37.31 | clint- | Linux is a clone and never contained any |
| 17:37.31 | clint- | AT&T code. |
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| 17:37.35 | valdyn_ | konfuzed: uh or libz-dev |
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| 17:37.46 | clint- | oops |
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| 17:38.02 | Nirga1 | Nrg__: Try checking hotplug or udev then. I tried several methods, including pre-loading one of the device in /etc/modules, using modules ethX aliases ... no luck there. |
| 17:38.44 | clint- | konfuzed: , bsd has a problem with my embedded controllers. I Think I might want to just hold off on that for a long time. and stick with debian :) |
| 17:38.54 | valdyn_ | konfuzed: uh, i was wrong, lame, its zlib1g-dev |
| 17:39.21 | konfuzed | iv found the zlib1g but zlib1g-dev does nto seem to be there |
| 17:39.24 | konfuzed | ill look again |
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| 17:40.08 | clint- | hey konfuzed, do you think you could help me get higher resolution I know my notebook is capable of.. stew and others been tryin help , bu ti am confused.. and been upset that I can't get this for a long time now |
| 17:40.45 | konfuzed | found it thanks |
| 17:40.46 | stew | clint-: did you try editing the Modes line like I suggested? |
| 17:40.57 | konfuzed | ive always sucked with X |
| 17:40.58 | clint- | I am at that page.. and you left me hangin |
| 17:41.15 | CaptKurt_ | I'm sorry... but why does http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ refer to dog-sex in the bottom of the page?? |
| 17:41.19 | konfuzed | mostly just server consoles for me |
| 17:41.24 | clint- | hee |
| 17:41.31 | CaptKurt_ | "animal sex sex animals sex with animals animal farm sex sex with animals women having sex with dogs free animal sex gay animal sex beastiality videos free bestiality pics women having sex with dogs free bestiality pics gay bestiality men having sex with animals animal sex beastiality animal sex bestiality pictures bestiality ........" |
| 17:41.32 | clint- | thats cool 8-) |
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| 17:41.45 | stew | clint-: i told you to ask a question if you had one, and you didn't ask one |
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| 17:41.50 | Nirga1 | Nrg__: The good news is that it looks like several modules can now be loaded simmultaneously :) |
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| 17:42.35 | clint- | so do I type dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ! ? |
| 17:42.40 | azeem | CaptKurt_: where exactlyß? |
| 17:42.40 | clint- | >_< |
| 17:42.45 | CaptKurt_ | in the bottom |
| 17:42.54 | fbi | i don't see that shit. |
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| 17:43.18 | SerajewelKS | clint-: what is the problem you're having? |
| 17:43.21 | stew | 12:14 < stew> clint-: edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 where you see Modes "800x600" add "1280x800" at the beginning of the modes list. |
| 17:43.39 | valdyn_ | CaptKurt_: i cant see that |
| 17:44.09 | clint- | okay 1 dam sec |
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| 17:44.47 | fbi | CaptKurt_ must have some magic animal-porn themed browser. |
| 17:44.47 | clint- | okay, now I am there. Section Screen" yada yada.. yep MOdes "800x600" "640x480" |
| 17:45.05 | JQuazar | is Andrew Tridgell in the house? |
| 17:45.28 | fbi | JQuazar: let me ask his secretary |
| 17:45.40 | fbi | JQuazar: she said, "how the hell should we know?" |
| 17:45.49 | clint- | it gives me like different depths too.. 1, 4 , 8 , 15 , 16 , 24 |
| 17:46.00 | harleyg | anyone no any programs to make img files |
| 17:46.03 | harleyg | .img* |
| 17:46.07 | JQuazar | fbi: grins. This samba stuff is raising my blood pressure |
| 17:46.07 | stew | clint-: you only have to bother with your default depth |
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| 17:46.42 | konfuzed | hey cvs isnt included? |
| 17:46.50 | samuel | sup all |
| 17:46.55 | stew | konfuzed: apt-get install cvs |
| 17:47.02 | valdyn_ | harleyg: what for? |
| 17:47.11 | clint- | okay.. it says that the default depth is 24 |
| 17:47.12 | harleyg | well.. i just need a .img file badly |
| 17:47.19 | valdyn_ | harleyg: nonsense |
| 17:47.23 | Nrg__ | nirga1, hmm.. what do you mean? |
| 17:47.24 | valdyn_ | harleyg: what for? |
| 17:47.25 | stew | harleyg: img of what? |
| 17:47.26 | harleyg | isnt nonsense |
| 17:47.33 | harleyg | of files... |
| 17:47.33 | harleyg | what else.. |
| 17:47.42 | quiet | harleyg, dd? |
| 17:47.43 | valdyn_ | harleyg: yea it is, you're not understand or just not telling us what you want |
| 17:47.44 | stew | harleyg: cp /etc/passwd /tmp/passwd.img |
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| 17:47.56 | harleyg | thats retarded |
| 17:47.59 | harleyg | meh |
| 17:48.08 | clint- | lol @ meh I use that too |
| 17:48.14 | quiet | harleyg, file extensions aren't particularly important |
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| 17:48.24 | wwallace_lap | how do i make update db to search my locally mounted remote shares as in i have //mp3j/E mounted on /mnt/mp3j/hdc1 how do i make locate to look there also?............for your prompt answer thank you |
| 17:48.25 | harleyg | i believe they are |
| 17:48.25 | quiet | harleyg, the format of the file is.. |
| 17:48.27 | stew | harleyg: what files do you want in this image.... |
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| 17:48.33 | harleyg | files in boot |
| 17:48.36 | harleyg | wel.. |
| 17:48.38 | clint- | hee |
| 17:48.41 | harleyg | in an iso |
| 17:48.43 | harleyg | like kanotiix |
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| 17:48.56 | stew | harleyg: you have a kanotix cd in your cd drive? |
| 17:49.00 | harleyg | i need all the files in boot to be made into an .img file |
| 17:49.11 | valdyn_ | harleyg: it doesnt work like that |
| 17:49.18 | stew | harleyg: or you want to make a bootable cd from your current system? |
| 17:49.20 | quiet | cp /boot/* /boot/boot.img |
| 17:49.22 | valdyn_ | harleyg: what would you want to do with it anyhow? |
| 17:49.25 | clint- | a bootable iso? |
| 17:49.32 | harleyg | okokok |
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| 17:49.35 | quiet | or could ddwork for that? |
| 17:49.45 | harleyg | my old laptop dont boot normal isos |
| 17:49.48 | harleyg | well, normal linux cds |
| 17:49.49 | stew | quiet: neither would work for that |
| 17:49.49 | clint- | ah |
| 17:49.55 | olczyk | Can anyone help me with sound? I'm having all sorts of problems. I'm trying to get alsa, jack,and kde to work together. Right now I can get system sounds, but not applications like vlc or rtimidity to work. |
| 17:49.59 | harleyg | only one works, which is the syslinux version of dsl |
| 17:50.00 | quiet | stew, ok |
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| 17:50.03 | clint- | it doesn't have the option boot sequences? |
| 17:50.11 | valdyn_ | harleyg: i doubt it would boot abnormal linux cds |
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| 17:50.17 | olczyk | s/rtimidity/timidity/ |
| 17:50.20 | clint- | how old are you talkin |
| 17:50.21 | lide | Help! I removed apache2 with apt-get and then i removed apache2 folder from /etc folder. Now i try install apt-get install apache2, but it not make folder apache2 |
| 17:50.26 | wwallace_lap | how do i make update db to search my locally mounted remote shares as in i have //mp3j/E mounted on /mnt/mp3j/hdc1 how do i make locate to look there also?............for your prompt answer thank you |
| 17:50.30 | harleyg | i have looked at all the files, it seems they move boot.cat into the knoppix folder, and the rest inside boot are made into a boot.img file and mvoed into knoppix |
| 17:50.40 | quiet | wwallace_lap, updatedb ? |
| 17:50.45 | harleyg | thats why i need to no how to make a .img file |
| 17:50.45 | wwallace_lap | i did that |
| 17:50.50 | clint- | harleyg: |
| 17:50.55 | clint- | knoppix-installer |
| 17:51.09 | valdyn_ | wwallace_lap: vi /etc/updatedb.conf |
| 17:51.26 | wwallace_lap | i also added to /etc/updatedb.conf NETPATHS="/mnt/mp3j/hdc1/" |
| 17:51.35 | harleyg | clint- wtf you on about |
| 17:51.37 | harleyg | .. |
| 17:51.37 | konfuzed | no where does it say that you must hit g twice in aptitude |
| 17:51.38 | clint- | I have a friend. he is pretty good with knoppix. and claims its the best OS ever |
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| 17:51.48 | lide | Help! I removed apache2 with apt-get and then i removed apache2 folder from /etc folder. Now i try install apt-get install apache2, but it not make folder apache2 |
| 17:51.57 | harleyg | clint- this has nothing to do with that |
| 17:51.59 | clint- | I just tryin to help |
| 17:52.04 | clint- | >_< |
| 17:52.06 | harleyg | i need to no how to make a .img file |
| 17:52.06 | harleyg | :) |
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| 17:52.20 | valdyn_ | lide: what you did was very stupid |
| 17:52.23 | clint- | Alcohol 120%! |
| 17:52.25 | clint- | :D |
| 17:52.28 | valdyn_ | !confmiss |
| 17:52.34 | valdyn_ | ~confmiss |
| 17:52.35 | apt | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. This is usually not the case.... |
| 17:52.35 | harleyg | *make* a .img file |
| 17:52.38 | harleyg | not mount it |
| 17:52.40 | stew | harleyg: run "file boot.img" and see what kind of .img it is, its a filesystem image, but of what filesystem, could be an iso, could be ext2 could be something else |
| 17:52.41 | quiet | lol |
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| 17:52.46 | valdyn_ | lide: read what apt said |
| 17:52.53 | mhall | George__W__Bush: FUCKING QUIT IT ASAP |
| 17:53.02 | mhall | !ops George__W__Bush is notice spamming the channel |
| 17:53.08 | lide | valdyn_: okey, i try, thanks, and i know it was stupid |
| 17:53.11 | valdyn_ | lide: however that doesnt imply that the package apache2 even contains /etc/apache2 |
| 17:53.11 | azeem | helix: 18:47 < mhall> !ops George__W__Bush is notice spamming the channel |
| 17:53.21 | mhall | ~ops George__W__Bush is notice spamming the channel |
| 17:53.23 | apt | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: George__W__Bush is notice spamming the channel |
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| 17:53.25 | valdyn_ | !find etc/apache2 |
| 17:53.32 | gunnar | George__W__Bush: is a wanker, he can't even behave on irc :p |
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| 17:53.39 | clint- | lmao |
| 17:53.39 | stew | valdyn: apache2-common |
| 17:53.49 | valdyn_ | lide: ^^^ |
| 17:53.53 | ireverentreveren | gunnar i am impressed he can even type |
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| 17:54.06 | r4z`on | hello, i've damaged my partition table but i've the important data (start/end/blocks) but when i do start:1 and end:6 now the blocks doesnt match (2992+ now, 48163+ is the right value) does someone know how to reach the correct block size? |
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| 17:54.15 | j4cbo | ireverentreveren: it's not him, it's one of his speech writeres |
| 17:54.16 | j4cbo | writers |
| 17:54.17 | sledge_ | hi |
| 17:54.23 | clint- | haha |
| 17:54.29 | clint- | yep :) |
| 17:54.30 | ireverentreveren | j4cbo ah... |
| 17:54.35 | j4cbo | they're actually pretty good, unfortunately |
| 17:54.43 | sledge_ | hi. i tried to use psmerge but it returns an empty out.ps. "psmerge -oout.ps 1.ps 2.ps" is the wrong way? |
| 17:55.18 | clint- | George Bush, Keep the gas prices dropping. and we will all be happy 8-) |
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| 17:55.37 | mhall | ~ops George__W__Bush is notice spamming the channel |
| 17:55.38 | apt | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: George__W__Bush is notice spamming the channel |
| 17:55.42 | RichiH | George__W__Bush: please stop |
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| 17:55.45 | RichiH | mhall: on it |
| 17:55.45 | Om | Is there a standard way of fooling a program into thinking a file/link/directory exsists, as a normal user. So I can make 'program' think there's a link from /a/ to /b/ without actually creating the link? |
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| 17:55.48 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@84.93.71.113.plusnet.ptn-ag2.dyn.plus.net] by caphuso |
| 17:55.52 | clint- | lol |
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| 17:56.14 | mhall | r4z`on: about that, you can use the parted partition editor to fix this |
| 17:56.21 | harleyg | boot.img: x86 boot sector, SYSLINUX bootloader (2.06), code offset 0x3c, OEM-ID "SYSLINUX", root entries 224, sectors 2880 (volumes <=32 MB) , sectors/FAT 9, serial number 0x41094bdd, label: " ", FAT (12 bit) |
| 17:56.22 | clint- | what if he happen to be the president. and next thing you know.. the NSA knockin on ya door :P |
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| 17:56.32 | JQuazar | Om: why not create the link... as simple as `ln b a` |
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| 17:56.39 | mhall | r4z`on: it has commands for redecting deleted partitions by the magic values contained in them |
| 17:56.55 | harleyg | stew^^ |
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| 17:57.04 | Om | JQuazar, I want to do it as a user without permission to create the link. :) |
| 17:57.35 | scyrma | I normally compile my own kernels, but I just installed linux-image-2.6.14-k7-1 ... the console resolution just dropped (1400x1050 to 800x600).. what's missing? |
| 17:57.37 | r4z`on | @mhall: ok thanks i'll try |
| 17:58.09 | JQuazar | Om: naughty naughty... I don't know any way to get to your "a" thru a fake "b" |
| 17:58.14 | mhall | r4z`on: one second |
| 17:58.25 | mhall | r4z`on: let me give you a little more info |
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| 17:58.56 | Om | JQuazar, not really. I just want to fool a configure script to look somewhere different. Without having to modify the configure script :) |
| 17:58.58 | mhall | r4z`on: the command is rescue |
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| 17:59.07 | stew | harleyg: apt-get install syslinux; and read /usr/share/doc/syslinux |
| 17:59.28 | r4z`on | hmmm but i've the output of the partition table of fdisk i think rescue does something like a scan |
| 17:59.30 | mhall | r4z`on: the manual is here http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/manual/ |
| 17:59.34 | Gumby | can anyone refresh my memory here, whats the command to view what mounts are avaliable on a remote box running samba? |
| 17:59.37 | mhall | r4z`on: but here is the thing |
| 17:59.59 | mhall | r4z`on: the parted editor will help you to mark the partition precisely back onto its old location |
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| 18:00.12 | mhall | r4z`on: which fdisk is going to prevent because fdisk has alignment rules in its code |
| 18:00.28 | r4z`on | ah i see |
| 18:00.29 | mhall | r4z`on: parted understands that a rescue partition must be put back in precisely the same spot |
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| 18:01.26 | SerajewelKS | Gumby: smbclient -L xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx |
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| 18:01.34 | mhall | r4z`on: good luck |
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| 18:01.42 | r4z`on | thanks :) |
| 18:01.42 | mhall | r4z`on: and if you can back up the disk first with dd |
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| 18:02.03 | SerajewelKS | Gumby: of course you can use a domain name or NetBIOS name (if samba is configured properly for NetBIOS and/or WINS) |
| 18:02.15 | klync | can APT::Default-Release contain a value like "woody", or does it need to be one of stable, testing or unstable? |
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| 18:03.02 | leOn | hi ... the latest udev package in unstable is broken, right ? |
| 18:03.06 | elephantman | Ok so the point is that i need to rebuild my kernel to install this module ? |
| 18:03.15 | elephantman | Not possible !!!?? |
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| 18:03.32 | elephantman | Just for a stupid network card |
| 18:03.57 | flibby | hi, sorry for dumb question of today: i search for info, if i could use a "sitecom usb cable cn-101" also under linux. the device is a usb-2-usb network connection device. vendor official windows flavors supported. |
| 18:03.59 | SerajewelKS | leOn: http://bugs.debian.org/udev |
| 18:04.01 | klync | elephantman: usually there's no problem just making and installing modules without remaking the kernel.... either way, it's not that big a deal, imo |
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| 18:04.17 | stew | leOn: its working fine for me |
| 18:04.49 | flibby | someone asked the sitecom question on mandrake linux forum. no good answer. maybe debian gurus know something? |
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| 18:05.10 | elephantman | klync: well ok - i am lost here |
| 18:05.43 | jade | when i try and access windows shares via samba, gnome falls into a wait state with the clock cursor indicator. occassional nautilus will require "force quit" "restart" and "shutdown" error dialog. after restart, the windows share drives are populated. any ideas how to fix? |
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| 18:05.56 | leOn | maybe it's because i'm using 2.6.14 ... :/ |
| 18:06.04 | klync | elephantman: if the driver is part of a stock kernel, i don't see why you wouldn't use a debian kernel unless you're really comfortable building your own... if not, i guess it's a learning experience, eh? |
| 18:06.14 | stew | leOn: its working for me here, what specific problem are you having? |
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| 18:06.45 | leOn | just didn't install |
| 18:06.53 | leOn | dpkg exited with error |
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| 18:07.01 | stew | leOn: and the error was.... |
| 18:07.32 | elephantman | klync: i know how to build a kernel - but its long !!! Its too complicated just to make work a classical lan card |
| 18:07.40 | leOn | stew: nothing specific ... just said that dpkg process exited in error |
| 18:07.47 | leOn | that was the funny part |
| 18:07.49 | leOn | *sigh* |
| 18:07.59 | klync | elephantman: then use a stock kernel, distributed under apt |
| 18:08.05 | stew | leOn: apt-get -f install? dpkg --configure -a? |
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| 18:08.21 | trakinas | hello everyone |
| 18:08.36 | leOn | stew: yep, tried them all ... had to revert to udev-0.071-1 |
| 18:08.45 | stew | leOn: do you have hotplug installed? |
| 18:08.49 | leOn | nop |
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| 18:08.53 | rebecca_lappy | hi, i would like to install java for moz/firefox. i tried searching for j2re in synaptic as advised here: http://java.debian.net/index.php/BlackDownJava but i couldnt find it. anyone know what i should do? |
| 18:09.14 | elephantman | klync: the debian CD1 testing doesn't have kernel-source |
| 18:09.14 | stew | leOn: type "apt-get install udev" and paste the entire transaction to #flood or a pastebin (don't paste here) |
| 18:09.22 | Nirga1 | Nrg__: At boot, I can sometimes see my (very slow) scsi adapter outputing stuff while other stuff from other processes is inserted right in the middle. So I guess there are some progresses on the having several component loading at the same times, thus speeding up the boot ... |
| 18:09.22 | trakinas | I just cant set my locales. It generates okay, but when I type locale it returns: LC_CTYPE="pt_BR:pt:pt_PT" |
| 18:09.26 | klync | can anyone help with my apt.conf? i'm trying to pin my default release to woody, so i can install *a few* pkgs from sarge... it doesn't seem to work out tho, wants to upgrade a lot of stuff when i put the new sources in and set APT::Default-Release "Woody"; |
| 18:09.28 | elephantman | klync: i can only find kernel-image |
| 18:09.34 | klync | elephantman: exactly |
| 18:09.48 | stew | klync: try Default-Release "oldstable" |
| 18:09.50 | klync | elephantman: use a binary kernel, unless you need to and want to compile one from source |
| 18:10.00 | trakinas | and Im sure ive setted only PT_BR. Also, it says it cant locate LC_ALL, LC_CTYPE and LC_MESSAGES. |
| 18:10.01 | klync | stew: sweet... i'll let you know in a sec |
| 18:10.05 | saloxin | klync: try backporting instead: /msg dpkg simple sid bacport |
| 18:10.07 | ireverentreveren | is it possible to force a paricular version off gcc on a "make" command? I am tryign to compile a package the requires gcc-3.x but i have gcc-4.0 installed. |
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| 18:10.12 | trakinas | LC_ALL is blank, btw |
| 18:10.16 | stew | elephantman: source is on cd13 |
| 18:10.20 | elephantman | klync: pffffff - i don't know if i need a binary or not |
| 18:10.30 | SerajewelKS | ireverentreveren: CC=gcc-3 |
| 18:10.31 | elephantman | stew: ok |
| 18:10.33 | UdontKnow | ireverentreveren: export CC=gcc-3.xxxxxxxx |
| 18:10.35 | SerajewelKS | ireverentreveren: iirc |
| 18:10.58 | elephantman | My driver says that i require : - Linux kernel source available in directory /usr/src/linux |
| 18:11.19 | saloxin | has dpkg gone to bed? |
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| 18:11.41 | klync | saloxin, stew neither of those works... dpkg doesn't know what i'm talking about |
| 18:11.41 | stew | elephantman: that's broken, it should be looking in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/ ; the kenrel README specifically says that you shouldn't put kernel source in /usr/src/linux/ |
| 18:11.54 | SerajewelKS | elephantman: either link your headers there or change the makefile |
| 18:11.55 | ireverentreveren | UdontKnow 3 questions... i run that BEFORE the make? how do i unset that after tha make, and how do i find the version of gcc-3 i have? |
| 18:12.06 | ireverentreveren | scratcht hat last one |
| 18:12.17 | elephantman | Ok well i am not a system guru though i know some things |
| 18:12.19 | SerajewelKS | ireverentreveren: you would do: CC=gcc-3.x make |
| 18:12.19 | stew | klync: which woody mirror are you using? |
| 18:12.20 | jlmb | Anyone knows why mirrors.kernel.org debian packages list is not being updated? |
| 18:12.31 | rebecca_lappy | is there a reason why i cant find j2re in my repos? |
| 18:12.46 | elephantman | stew: you mean /usr/src/linux doesn't have to be used anymore ? |
| 18:12.49 | SerajewelKS | rebecca_lappy: because it doesn't exist? |
| 18:12.51 | stew | rebecca_lappy: it cannot be distributed by debian becuase of licensing restrictions, /msg dpkg install java |
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| 18:12.56 | leOn | stew: http://pastebin.com/429275 |
| 18:12.57 | stew | rebecca_lappy: err /msg ravenbird install java |
| 18:13.05 | SerajewelKS | !tell rebecca_lappy about java-package |
| 18:13.09 | saloxin | klync: /msg apt simple sid backport |
| 18:13.11 | stew | SerajewelKS: no dpkg bot |
| 18:13.11 | klync | stew: us.debian.org and mirror.direct.ca |
| 18:13.17 | klync | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:13.21 | SerajewelKS | stew: O_o |
| 18:13.23 | klync | derr, no space |
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| 18:13.37 | Nrg__ | nirga1, aah.. ok |
| 18:13.42 | rebecca_lappy | cool, thanks :) |
| 18:13.50 | elephantman | SerajewelKS: ok - what is "link your headers" ? What files exactlty ? I 'ln -s' them to where ? What it gonna change ? |
| 18:13.53 | saloxin | klync: and replace sid with your preferred version |
| 18:13.54 | ireverentreveren | SerajewelKS thanks, giving that a shot now |
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| 18:14.02 | stew | leOn: did you try purging hotplug as it recommended? |
| 18:14.04 | trakinas | anyone? |
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| 18:14.09 | elephantman | stew: is there a new location for kernel sources ? |
| 18:14.13 | klync | saloxin: isn't that kindof a hack, dependent on the fact i don't have any other pkgs installed from source? |
| 18:14.19 | leOn | stew: i don't have hotplug installed |
| 18:14.23 | stew | elephantman: /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/ |
| 18:14.42 | leOn | Package hotplug is not installed, so not removed |
| 18:14.54 | elephantman | stew: sorry but since when its like this ? Kernel sources has always been under /usr/src/linux ? |
| 18:15.08 | elephantman | stew: what does it changes for me ? |
| 18:15.09 | stew | leOn: what does "dpkg -l hotplug | tail -1" return ? |
| 18:15.15 | valdyn_ | elephantman: kernel sources can be wherever |
| 18:15.31 | rebecca_lappy | erm.. ravenbird is useless :/ |
| 18:15.44 | elephantman | ok, i just need a 'simple' guide to install my LAN card |
| 18:15.50 | stew | elephantman: about 4 or 5 years ago, read the kernel README; what module are you tring to compile? do you have kernel headers installed? |
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| 18:15.59 | abrotman | sussudio: is badgers available ? |
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| 18:16.21 | elephantman | stew: yes i installed "linux-header(uname-a)" |
| 18:16.24 | leOn | pn hotplug <none> (no description available) |
| 18:16.26 | r4z`on | @mhall: BIG THX :) works *yeah* |
| 18:16.43 | elephantman | stew: but when i try to install my Marvell Yukon driver, it outputs errors |
| 18:16.43 | ecliptik | what does it mean when you do an lsmod and a modules says "deleted"? |
| 18:16.49 | stew | rebecca_lappy: http://vireo.org/~stew/dpkg/?q=java-package |
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| 18:19.13 | elephantman | stew: it says "Check kernel functions (Changed: nothing) \n Compile the kernel (error)" |
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| 18:19.48 | elephantman | stew: an error has occured during the compile process.... |
| 18:20.14 | stew | elephantman: *shrug* make the symlink from /usr/src/linux to /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.... and if it works then write the software authors and tell them that it is broken |
| 18:20.39 | stew | leOn: checked the bts? |
| 18:20.43 | ireverentreveren | what does the error "C compiler cannot create executables" mean, and how do i fix it? |
| 18:20.48 | rebecca_lappy | or someone could have just told me to put "deb ftp://ftp.tux.org/java/debian/ stable non-free" into my repo list and search again ;P |
| 18:20.58 | Skrotto | ireverentreveren: that you need gcc |
| 18:21.00 | stew | leOn: or look at the preinst/postinst scripts to see if you can figure out why it is failing |
| 18:21.17 | saloxin | klync: no hack, you backport programs to your environment of libs and c library etc |
| 18:21.19 | ireverentreveren | Skrotto i have gcc installed..... what else can do it? |
| 18:21.23 | Coweater | ireverentreveren: probably didn't install build-essential |
| 18:21.38 | maxxle | uname -a tells me: 2.6.12-1-686. But I've installed package linux-image-2.6-686 => 2.6.12-10. Why is my kernel still a -1 and not a -10? |
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| 18:22.33 | ireverentreveren | Coweater apt claims it is the newest version.... do gcc-4 and gcc-3 use different build-essential versions? |
| 18:22.45 | deathz0r|Work | ;o lol. http://www.wca.com.ve/death/hmm.jpg |
| 18:22.46 | cahoot | maxxle: you did reboot - and to the correct kernel option? |
| 18:22.47 | klync | saloxin: i mean, i was expecting that "Default-Release" could be pinned to a specific release, such as woody, and not just to "stable" |
| 18:22.51 | stew | ireverentreveren: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 18:22.58 | rebecca_lappy | i guess that just proved i shouldnt be asking if i can figure it out myself, but thanks for the help anyways :D |
| 18:23.01 | maxxle | cahoot: I have to change my grub.lst myself? |
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| 18:23.18 | leaf__ | hi |
| 18:23.21 | saloxin | ah hm, i don't know too much about pinning :-/ |
| 18:23.28 | cahoot | maxxle: depends on you config - check it |
| 18:23.54 | leaf__ | i am having grub problems |
| 18:23.54 | cahoot | maxxle: and it's menu.lst btw |
| 18:24.17 | maxxle | cahoot: I wonder that there is nothing with 2.6.12-10 in my /boot-directory. |
| 18:24.18 | stew | klync: ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/binary-i386/Release <- since that says stable, not oldstale or woody, it looks like you'd have to pin packages manually, however mixing woody and sarge is a bad idea, |
| 18:24.19 | klync | saloxin: well, you've been very helpful, i think i'm going to go with that method, as the apt howto doesn't seem to have a better suggestion |
| 18:24.23 | leOn | one other thing ... although i have cdrecord installed suid root |
| 18:24.28 | leOn | i keep getting |
| 18:24.29 | leOn | error403: Cannot gain SYS_RAWIO capability.Is cdrecord installed SUID root? |
| 18:24.40 | ireverentreveren | stew i have the newest build-essential installed, how ever the system gcc is 4, whil ei am trying to compile with gcc-3 do i need a different version of build-essential for gcc-3 than gcc-4? |
| 18:24.44 | leaf__ | i had two win2k's on my start up menu |
| 18:24.55 | klync | stew: well, i need mysql4 and php-mysql, but i don't want to dist-upgrade this box, not right now... i think i'll do the backport thing |
| 18:25.00 | leaf__ | so i tried to edit my /grub/menu-list |
| 18:25.13 | leaf__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:25.26 | leaf__ | now i have 3 win2ks and none of them work |
| 18:25.33 | stew | ireverentreveren: no, edit the makefile and set CC or HOSTCC to point to /usr/bin/gcc-3.3 |
| 18:25.33 | leaf__ | i cannot get back to win2k |
| 18:25.36 | saloxin | klync: eeww, that will be messy, php-mysql depends on php depends on gazillins of libs |
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| 18:26.02 | klync | saloxin: yeah, all the more reason why i should build from source |
| 18:26.07 | leaf__ | is there a way to grub-uninstall |
| 18:26.20 | gnub | how do isntall the kernels sources |
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| 18:26.24 | karsten | leaf__: Yes. |
| 18:26.35 | karsten | leaf__: ... man grub |
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| 18:27.01 | stew | gnub: what version of debian? are you sure you don't just need kernel-headers? |
| 18:27.07 | gnub | sarge |
| 18:27.11 | gnub | netinstall |
| 18:27.13 | saloxin | klync: well, should work out though. just get the -dev packaes when something stops |
| 18:27.14 | karsten | leaf__: Erm... Not there... |
| 18:27.28 | stew | gnub: why do you want kernel source? |
| 18:27.29 | klync | saloxin: ty |
| 18:27.46 | gnub | usr/src is empty |
| 18:27.55 | gnub | Nvidia |
| 18:28.01 | leaf__ | i am having grub problems |
| 18:28.25 | stew | gnub: /msg ravenbird nvidia one-liner |
| 18:28.30 | karsten | !tell leaf__ about smart questions |
| 18:28.34 | saloxin | klync: bacports.org still contains sarge->woody packages..might have a look there too |
| 18:28.40 | azeem | karsten: dpkg is down |
| 18:28.45 | karsten | How do I create a volume group, with a name? |
| 18:28.48 | karsten | azeem: On whom? |
| 18:28.52 | saloxin | my k aint' feeling ot well today: backports.org |
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| 18:28.57 | maxxle | cahoot: ok. I looked at packages.debian.org. Only two files in the package - nothing that overwrites anything in /boot or somewhere else. Just doc's |
| 18:29.00 | azeem | karsten: just down in general |
| 18:29.05 | klync | saloxin: ok, i'll check before messing with deb-src's |
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| 18:29.15 | foo | Bah, how can I set the time with date? foo@box:~$ date -s="Mon Nov 14 10:29:12 PST 2005" and foo@box:~$ date -s="10:27:40" don't seem to be cutting it. |
| 18:29.30 | karsten | ~tell leaf__ about smart questions |
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| 18:29.44 | karsten | foo: date -d <datespec> |
| 18:29.49 | foo | ahh |
| 18:29.52 | karsten | foo: ... or use ntpdate / ntpd |
| 18:30.23 | karsten | ~comfort dpkg |
| 18:30.25 | apt | There, there, dpkg. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 18:30.30 | foo | karsten: actually, I thought I was using that. Thanks . |
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| 18:30.43 | lide | alienbrain_: |
| 18:30.44 | foo | Voila, there. |
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| 18:30.52 | lide | alienbrain_: sorry... nothing... |
| 18:30.53 | leaf__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:31.02 | karsten | foo: ntpd _won't_ set time if it's off by too much. Use ntpdate for course adjustment, ntpd to keep it synched. |
| 18:31.11 | gnub | ok well ravenbird just gave me a realy big cmd but i dont kno where its end is? u dont expect me to copy and paste that whole reply |
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| 18:31.18 | foo | Alright, having some issues with cups and samba on my debian system. I print to the printer configured on my mandriva server.. and that is setup to print to the windows printer. In the web interface (localhost:631) I can print a test page to the printer .. and it prints ... but when I try to print a website from firefox, it doesn't .. any ideas? |
| 18:31.26 | karsten | ~tell gnub about paster |
| 18:31.39 | Krassy | What i have to do to make my shell konsole scripts to run like programs NOT in console window ? |
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| 18:32.08 | karsten | Krassy: What are they doing that you don't want 'em to do? |
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| 18:32.44 | foo | karsten: Any ideas on that one? |
| 18:32.49 | harleyg | how do i make my wireless card use the wavelan_cs driver as default insted of orinoco_cs? |
| 18:33.04 | Krassy | they do load balancing between tho ISP`s |
| 18:33.13 | Krassy | two |
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| 18:34.17 | karsten | gnub: Feh, there's a paste website dpkg (another bot) knows about, apt doesn't. |
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| 18:34.37 | karsten | @tell gnub about paster |
| 18:34.44 | karsten | foo: No time, sorry. |
| 18:34.51 | karsten | Krassy: ... and? |
| 18:35.01 | leOn | shit ... even the new udev_0.074-3 fails |
| 18:35.32 | saloxin | harleyg: only way i know is to hack away at /etc/pcmcia/config .. should be an easier way though |
| 18:35.45 | harleyg | ok ty |
| 18:35.52 | Krassy | when i start them console windows is active. i Want scripts work in backround |
| 18:35.53 | gnub | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1106 |
| 18:36.13 | Krassy | like programs |
| 18:36.24 | stew | leOn: maybe try dpkg --force-depends -P udev ; apt-get install udev |
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| 18:36.40 | saloxin | Krassy: add a & at the end, or start them in screen |
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| 18:37.27 | saloxin | Krassy: i'm curious at loadbalancing sevreral lines though, these scripts come from an url somewhere? |
| 18:37.51 | [bono] | Question: i'm looking for a full ip phone package which allows me to use a softphone app when i want, to hook it to my personal wireless phone when i feel like it, and to my cell when on the road... Is there any currently available solution for this? |
| 18:38.08 | [bono] | Question: (of course, all of this using linux/debian) |
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| 18:39.18 | [bono] | Question: and while were at it... id like to hava a device such as the blackberry integrated in all this... to i can do emails/skype/etc... |
| 18:39.31 | Krassy | not from an url i wrote my self with some manuals |
| 18:39.49 | saloxin | Krassy: ah cool |
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| 18:40.15 | saloxin | [bono]: do you want fries with that? |
| 18:40.23 | leOn | stew: installed alright, but doesn't start |
| 18:40.25 | leOn | Nov 14 18:40:08 localhost udevd[11460]: init_uevent_netlink_sock: bind failed: No such file or directory |
| 18:40.28 | leOn | Nov 14 18:40:08 localhost udevd[11460]: main: uevent socket not available |
| 18:40.43 | [bono] | saloxin: if it comes with it, sure :-) |
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| 18:41.21 | gnub | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1106 |
| 18:41.23 | [bono] | saloxin: seriously, is this kind of technology available? I dont think it is, but im not sure... thats why im asking... |
| 18:41.33 | saloxin | [bono]: i'm sure some setup with asteriks should do it |
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| 18:42.04 | saloxin | well, your combination of bells and whistles might require you to do some coding along the way |
| 18:42.06 | Krassy | for example one script is ping to gateway. I do not want when i start this script to have a unusable console screen . |
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| 18:42.18 | Joe7 | hi |
| 18:42.40 | [bono] | saloxin: i doubt im the first one lookng for this kind of inteegrated service package... |
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| 18:43.11 | gnub | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1107 |
| 18:43.12 | [bono] | saloxin: asteriks? |
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| 18:43.19 | valdyn_ | Krassy: man nohup |
| 18:43.20 | Joe7 | coul you tell me pls what's the difference between a normal irq assignment, and an assigment likee this? ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:0c.0[A] -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 169 |
| 18:43.30 | shad0wcat | **pls |
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| 18:43.33 | shad0wcat | bah |
| 18:43.35 | shad0wcat | !pls |
| 18:43.49 | RichiH | shad0wcat: ? |
| 18:43.49 | SerajewelKS | ~pls |
| 18:43.50 | apt | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. ... |
| 18:43.51 | valdyn_ | !apic |
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| 18:44.01 | valdyn_ | ~apic |
| 18:44.02 | apt | from memory, apic is Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller, a new PIC, and about time too... |
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| 18:44.15 | saloxin | [bono]: www.asteriks.org || apt-cache show asteriks - it's compicated but will rule the telephony world |
| 18:44.17 | valdyn_ | Joe7: ^^^ |
| 18:44.35 | valdyn_ | ~pic |
| 18:44.36 | apt | it has been said that pic is position independent code Personal Internet Communicator from AMD (http://www.amd.com/us-en/ConnectivitySolutions/ProductInformation/0,,50_2330_12264,00.html?redir=PC5001) |
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| 18:44.45 | valdyn_ | oo |
| 18:44.56 | Joe7 | valdyn_ thanks |
| 18:45.11 | valdyn_ | Joe7: the pic factoid doesnt tell what i thought it would |
| 18:45.11 | leOn | i'm lost here ... only udev_0.071-1 works fine |
| 18:45.32 | stew | leOn: strace udev and see what its failing on |
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| 18:45.39 | gnub | were does this cmd end or just paste it all in console? |
| 18:45.40 | gnub | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1107 |
| 18:45.47 | gnub | wtf |
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| 18:46.01 | stew | leOn: and when you find out, report a bug |
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| 18:46.12 | [bono] | saloxin: no such address |
| 18:46.28 | stew | leOn: and, of course, welcome to unstable |
| 18:46.29 | Krassy | saloxin:What is gonna hapend when i add a & to the end of the script ? |
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| 18:46.45 | demlak | hi... whats a good imageviwer for framebuffer console, which also supports slide shows? |
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| 18:47.00 | coffeemachine | hello does someone know anything about nvidia failures in combination with unstable? Since I got unstable nvidia doesn't work anymore icw the 2.6.14-1-k7 kernel (drivers are loaded) |
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| 18:47.11 | saloxin | Krassy: add the & after the cmmand starting the script like so # /usr/bin/foo & |
| 18:47.11 | valdyn_ | Krassy: it puts the task started into the background, but i dont think that does what you want |
| 18:47.15 | marstewel | !unstable |
| 18:47.30 | marstewel | !sid |
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| 18:47.32 | saloxin | [bono]: www.asterisk.org - typo |
| 18:47.37 | marstewel | doh |
| 18:47.39 | marstewel | :) |
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| 18:47.51 | klync | saloxin, stew : i think i'll just try to run the damned app on mysql 3.23 :/ |
| 18:48.08 | stew | klync: why not upgrade to stable? |
| 18:48.16 | coffeemachine | ? what you mean marstewel? |
| 18:48.32 | klync | stew: that's a production machine... we would lose $$$+++ if it was down for even half a day |
| 18:48.43 | marstewel | klync: so plan the upgrade |
| 18:49.12 | klync | marstewel: sure, tell that to my clients who told me friday i need to be hosting this app by today... |
| 18:49.13 | marstewel | klync: you do have a spair machine, dont you ? |
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| 18:49.13 | steigweis | [Off-Topic, but important to me :)] does anybody know, where I can find the font of that logo - or do you know, how it is called? --> http://hektor.umcs.lublin.pl/~zlimn/school/logo.gif |
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| 18:49.50 | stew | klync: i hear ya, you should plan on doing it sometime in the next 6 months however |
| 18:49.53 | gnub | E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-common |
| 18:49.56 | klync | marstewel: really, let's not get into my infrastructure... i was asking about how to get mysql from sarge running on woody, not how to plan our company's capital budget |
| 18:49.57 | Krassy | valdyn_:My scripts is .sh files. will work something like this " sh foo.sh &" ? |
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| 18:50.32 | marstewel | klync: you would more easily be able to run mysql form mysql.com than from sarge... |
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| 18:50.53 | klync | marstewel: incidentally, i have dual xeon system still in the box in the server room, but that won't be up and in the colo by the end of today |
| 18:50.56 | OENEUS | where can i find a driver to HP DeskJet 692C? |
| 18:51.04 | marstewel | klync: you can - however- backport mysql from sarge to woody... |
| 18:51.06 | czr | steigweis, which one? |
| 18:51.12 | czr | steigweis, the logo cas multiple |
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| 18:51.30 | czr | steigweis, and lame typography anyway. it has three fonts :-) |
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| 18:51.41 | [bono] | saloxin: thanks |
| 18:51.42 | czr | steigweis, the top one is somekind of 'copperplate' monotype has one |
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| 18:52.04 | czr | steigweis, the big letters are some kind of 'art deco', don't know exactly which |
| 18:52.06 | Krassy | saloxin:My scripts is .sh files. will work something like this " sh foo.sh &" ? |
| 18:52.09 | blacklinux001 | nas |
| 18:52.13 | marstewel | klync: the problem is libc, etc |
| 18:52.20 | czr | the bottom one I think is some ms typography font, although can't name it now |
| 18:52.27 | steigweis | czr: ok, art deco.. this is what i need |
| 18:52.35 | klync | marstewel: i understand that... the problem is my client service department promising our clients the moon for $5 |
| 18:52.36 | marstewel | Krassy: what are you trying to do ? |
| 18:52.50 | saloxin | Krassy: should do it.. try and see? |
| 18:52.50 | Coweater | steigweis: look at Plaza Alternate |
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| 18:53.12 | Krassy | ok thanx |
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| 18:53.14 | marstewel | klync: you can check out backports.org for backports |
| 18:53.22 | Coweater | steigweis: nifty tool btw http://www.myfonts.com/WhatTheFont/ |
| 18:53.34 | klync | marstewel: yeah, i've been poking around there... thx for the (more constructive) advice |
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| 18:53.43 | blacklinux001 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:54.09 | marstewel | klync: but you should keep in mind that security support for woody will stop sometime... |
| 18:54.09 | czr | Coweater, nice one, didn't know of that :-) |
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| 18:54.19 | georgia | 'lo |
| 18:54.28 | klync | marstewel: i'm a little cheesed off at this problem, and i'm not happy the machine is still running woody, so i don't mean to be short... yeah, i know that too... hopefully the xeon box will be in by the end of the month |
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| 18:54.50 | marstewel | klync: take it as a challenge :) |
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| 18:55.16 | Krassy | marstewel: I want run in backround a .sh shell konsole script |
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| 18:55.27 | marstewel | Krassy: just example.sh & |
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| 18:56.04 | Krassy | marstewel:thanx |
| 18:56.28 | marstewel | Krassy: you might want to redirect stdout and stderr too... |
| 18:56.41 | leOn | is there any way i can check file integrity in ALL my installed packages ? |
| 18:56.51 | marstewel | leOn: debsums |
| 18:57.14 | marstewel | leOn: apt-get install debsums |
| 18:57.25 | Krassy | marstewel:What is this ? |
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| 18:57.50 | marstewel | Krassy: standard output and standard error output ... 1 = stdout; 2 = stderr |
| 18:57.52 | leOn | stew: i'm starting to believe i had filesystem problems |
| 18:57.57 | steigweis | czr: Coweater: thanks great site. I got it. Plaza Alternate is it. :) |
| 18:58.14 | marstewel | Krassy: example.sh 2>stderr.log |
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| 18:58.28 | marstewel | afk |
| 18:58.37 | zulu42 | hi, I can't get udf packet writing (udftools) to work : /dev/pktcdvd/0: can't read superblock and if I try, mkudffs /dev/pktcdvd/dvdwriter, I get: trying to change type of multiple extents ... does someone need like me to backup t.oOOnns of gigs and played with udftools? |
| 18:58.46 | czr | or chmod +x example.sh; ./example.sh 2> errors.log > output.log |
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| 18:59.07 | marstewel | czr: we both forgot the "&" :D |
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| 18:59.18 | czr | true! :-) |
| 18:59.28 | czr | Ctrl+z, bg :-) |
| 18:59.32 | marstewel | heh |
| 18:59.57 | zulu42 | !udf |
| 19:00.02 | sandman | What's the point in splitting up partitions in the presence of journaling filesystems? |
| 19:00.03 | zulu42 | !help |
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| 19:00.14 | marstewel | zulu42: we all miss dpkg... |
| 19:00.15 | JimBowen | Hello. :) I have a question concerning what appears to be a bug in sarge/openoffice.org 1.1/kde, in that the GUI fonts are broken. they are just squares. |
| 19:00.16 | JimBowen | the fonts for typing are ok, just anything in the GUI is labeled with squares where letters should b |
| 19:00.21 | JimBowen | e |
| 19:00.29 | JimBowen | it is ok in gnome, just broken in KDE. |
| 19:00.34 | JimBowen | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:00.34 | marstewel | sandman: would you like your MTA to render your system unusable? |
| 19:00.40 | JimBowen | any ideas? |
| 19:00.42 | shad0wcat | JimBowen: then you broke something |
| 19:00.46 | sandman | marstewel: How would that happen? |
| 19:00.48 | shad0wcat | Sarge/OpenOffice.org 1.1 works just fine |
| 19:00.56 | marstewel | sandman: or e. g. filling up /tmp by one of your users... |
| 19:01.01 | karsten | What's the command to sync up the kernel's partition table after running fdisk? |
| 19:01.07 | sandman | Aside from mailserving |
| 19:01.16 | marstewel | sandman: those were just examples |
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| 19:01.29 | marstewel | sandman: you can - of course - also make use of quotas |
| 19:01.30 | karsten | JimBowen: Sounds like a bad locale. Try setting it to 'C' and see if that fixes it. |
| 19:01.44 | karsten | JimBowen: You're likely trying to display Unicode / UTF-8 fonts you don't have. |
| 19:01.48 | marstewel | anyways, afk |
| 19:01.53 | klync | JimBowen: perhaps it's trying to use a multibyte font under kde, but not under gnome, and perhaps your java doesn't support multibyte fonts |
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| 19:02.37 | czr | sandman, what is the system used for? |
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| 19:02.47 | czr | sandman, that will decide what kind of partitioning is suitable |
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| 19:02.53 | shad0wcat | uhh |
| 19:03.37 | sandman | czr: Well, let's say it's a mailserver. |
| 19:03.43 | Krassy | marstewel:Now please tell me how i can put this script in startup to make him work before loggin ? |
| 19:03.44 | sandman | Why would I want to have all sorts of different partitions? |
| 19:04.00 | shad0wcat | sandman: why wouldn't you |
| 19:04.07 | marstewel | shad0wcat: good luck :D |
| 19:04.14 | czr | sandman, to limit the amount of the data that they hold can grow to |
| 19:04.18 | shad0wcat | marstewel: I'm not even gonna bother |
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| 19:04.24 | marstewel | hehe |
| 19:04.28 | sandman | czr: Why not just use quotasA? |
| 19:04.29 | czr | sandman, when processes start writing data forever for example |
| 19:04.31 | shad0wcat | let him try to sort out the corrupt files when his 200gb ext3 partition goes south |
| 19:04.32 | afd_ | hi! how can I change ips for the ethernet in debian? command line? |
| 19:04.37 | marstewel | lol |
| 19:04.40 | czr | sandman, mtas need some part to run as root |
| 19:04.45 | karsten | sandman: http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/NixPartitioning |
| 19:04.45 | marstewel | afd_: ifconfig |
| 19:04.45 | czr | normally |
| 19:04.55 | karsten | sandman: You don't need 'em. They can be useful. |
| 19:04.56 | sandman | czr: Oh, to chroot to? |
| 19:04.57 | marstewel | afd_: but you would probably like to adjust /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 19:05.04 | karsten | afd_: ifconfig |
| 19:05.08 | sandman | czr: Why msut ti be on a seperate partition? |
| 19:05.14 | czr | sandman, go and read the link that karsten gave you |
| 19:05.20 | karsten | sandman: s/must/might/ |
| 19:05.35 | czr | separate partition for separate disk ;-) |
| 19:05.40 | afd_ | marstewel, and then /etc/init.d/network restart ? |
| 19:05.42 | shad0wcat | marstewel: I have a fun time trying to convince windows users not to make a 400gb C:\ |
| 19:05.42 | czr | or disks |
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| 19:05.49 | marstewel | afd_: yes |
| 19:05.52 | shad0wcat | well... half the time telling them |
| 19:06.01 | shad0wcat | the other half trying to recover the data they corrupted |
| 19:06.02 | marstewel | shad0wcat: well 400 GB C:\ is fun :D |
| 19:06.04 | karsten | czr: That's actually _not_ necessary, thought it often works out that way. |
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| 19:06.14 | shad0wcat | marstewel: ya if you want me to throw you off a cliff maybe |
| 19:06.15 | czr | did I say it is necessary karsten? |
| 19:06.16 | Krassy | saloxin:Now please tell me how i can put this script in startup to make him work before loggin ? |
| 19:06.21 | czr | oh god. is everyone anal here? |
| 19:06.30 | stew | sandman: if you have everything on one partition, then a user could possibly crash your system by filling up the root partition by writing to /tmp, ditto for your mta writing to var, if you are going to allow remote logins, you could also have the ability to do stuff like not allow executables on /home or suid on /tmp/ |
| 19:06.50 | marstewel | shad0wcat: well my %systemdrive% partition is ~ 20 GB |
| 19:07.01 | karsten | czr: I'm not _anal_, I'm anal retentive. And note that that's _not_ hyphenated. |
| 19:07.11 | shad0wcat | marstewel: mine's 40gb |
| 19:07.14 | shad0wcat | err |
| 19:07.15 | shad0wcat | 30gb |
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| 19:08.17 | karsten | #debian's lost its SOA... |
| 19:08.29 | abrotman | stew: admittedly .. if you're using ext? ... root reserves 5% which kind of eliminates the user stupidity |
| 19:08.29 | marstewel | Start Of Authority ? |
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| 19:08.45 | marstewel | abrotman: by default you mean :D |
| 19:08.48 | abrotman | yes |
| 19:08.50 | stew | abrotman: true |
| 19:09.02 | Krassy | how i can put shell konsole script in startup and make him work before loggin ? |
| 19:09.05 | abrotman | still won't stop the logs unles the owner of the log isn't root |
| 19:09.12 | abrotman | Krassy: a what ? |
| 19:09.17 | roby | There used to be a 'convert' program that would convert one image format to another, I can't find it in debian package list. Does it exist in debian's testing? Is there another command line app that will do the same? |
| 19:09.23 | abrotman | a konsole script ? |
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| 19:09.26 | abrotman | @info konsole sarge |
| 19:09.46 | stew | Krassy: what does konsole have to do with it? is it just a sh script? |
| 19:10.00 | Krassy | yes |
| 19:10.10 | karsten | Krassy: less /etc/init.d/README |
| 19:10.19 | karsten | roby: imagemagick |
| 19:10.19 | yaarg | roby: it's part of imagemagick |
| 19:10.22 | leOn | roby: install imagemagick |
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| 19:10.27 | marstewel | karsten: update-rc.d |
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| 19:10.32 | roby | karsten: yaarg leOn you all own |
| 19:10.40 | karsten | marstewel: That's part of the process, yes. |
| 19:10.40 | roby | thanks |
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| 19:10.58 | marstewel | karsten: sorry for addressing the wrong person :) |
| 19:11.03 | karsten | marstewel: NP. |
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| 19:12.41 | der | Hello? I have a problem with my debian gnu/linux box, and the Debian.org support pages said, that I could find help here...? Sorry, I am doing this IRC-thing for the first time... |
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| 19:13.01 | Lorvija | der just ask your question (: |
| 19:13.07 | abrotman | der: ask your question |
| 19:13.11 | abrotman | @sicco |
| 19:13.11 | ravenbird | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about research and cooperation in asking for help. |
| 19:13.24 | karsten | der: Ask |
| 19:13.44 | Spliffster | to use my primary hdd with sata i need to change the configuration of the root device from /dev/hdc to /dev/sda. changed boot/grub/device.map and menu.lst as well as /etc/fstab. is there anything else needed ? |
| 19:14.33 | der | Thanks! So... I have probs with my USB connections since I upgraded from 2.6.8 to 2.6.12 (the latter is self-compiled). The boot message says something about overcurrent change and is probing for ages... |
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| 19:15.48 | widrone | der: Any reason its self compiled and youre not using debian kernels? |
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| 19:16.14 | der | Yes, I had to compile MPPE-support to take part in a VPN. |
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| 19:16.51 | leOn | der: get 2.6.14 , and read the make-kpkg documentation |
| 19:17.34 | leOn | der, http://www.projektfarm.com/en/support/howto/debian_kernel_compile.html |
| 19:17.47 | Bob332 | can someone tell me why when i do a host on my ip address, the old dns pointer still shows up? |
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| 19:18.37 | bbrazil | Bob332: what happens if you use dig? |
| 19:18.40 | klync | Bob332: because dns has a "ttl" value - time to live |
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| 19:18.45 | leOn | Bob332: because it's cached ? |
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| 19:18.55 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 19:19.00 | leOn | later all |
| 19:19.15 | der | Has it something to do with my nforce2 chipset? Thanks! I will try to recompile using the latest sources... Shall I use the Debian-Source package or the sources from kernel.org / linux.org? |
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| 19:19.31 | Bob332 | bbrazil, klync leOn ....i made the change on my promary dns servers last week. All i did was remove the pointer mail2 from a certain ip address. When i use dig it looks fine |
| 19:19.41 | bbrazil | Bob332: check /etc/hosts |
| 19:19.43 | afd_ | on a debian server, what's needed to change the ip address? just the interfaces? do I have to change firewall rules or something? |
| 19:19.49 | Bob332 | bbrazil, did that |
| 19:19.49 | Bob332 | nothing |
| 19:19.58 | bbrazil | Bob332: thats odd. /etc/nsswitch ? |
| 19:20.07 | cy_ | does anyone know reiserfs in here ? i accidently removed a file from within windows.. is there a way to recover this file ? |
| 19:20.44 | TheCount | muahahahahaha (scnr) |
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| 19:20.54 | sandman | Is there any way to secure chroots such that people may not escape from them as easily? |
| 19:20.55 | SlammerXP | cy_: restore from your backup |
| 19:21.02 | sandman | Or would I have to use bochs or some kind of VM for that? |
| 19:21.10 | Bob332 | bbrazil, wow what in the world is nsswitch...im in it now |
| 19:21.18 | TheCount | sandman: linux-vserver.org is nice |
| 19:21.25 | TheCount | sandman: there's a patch for debian as well |
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| 19:21.43 | TheCount | sandman: apt-cache search vserver |
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| 19:21.55 | cy_ | SlammerXP; what backup ? |
| 19:21.57 | TheCount | sandman: bochs / am VM would be a total waste of cycles |
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| 19:22.13 | TheCount | if I may repeat: muahahahahah |
| 19:22.15 | nse | Hello everybody! Is there a package to add extra font to my firefox? Becouse there are a few fonts which I cannot read sometimes while browsering things on the web. |
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| 19:22.21 | bbrazil | Bob332: whats the dns: line? |
| 19:22.25 | Backup | Hello i have got an problem with my alsa driver can someone help? |
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| 19:23.03 | nse | Backup: Yes, we all can, as long as you tell us your problem. |
| 19:23.13 | Backup | ok |
| 19:23.22 | SlammerXP | cy_: okay. then what you do is hit yourself in the face a few times. |
| 19:23.23 | Bob332 | bbrazil, i see hosts: files dns |
| 19:23.33 | Bob332 | networks: files |
| 19:23.40 | Backup | i made: apt-get install alsa-base alsa-source alsa-utils |
| 19:23.44 | maxxle | Hi! I need a document about how to integrate a custom kernel from kernel-sources to my debian/testing box. I have seen that there are a lot of kernel-patches to 2.6.12 and I don't know how/howmuch/which patches i have to add to my kernel-source. Is there a Document on how to do a new Kernel the debian way for testing? |
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| 19:23.50 | Backup | and then i wanted du install the driver |
| 19:23.56 | Backup | my problem is this: |
| 19:23.58 | bbrazil | Bob332: thats plain odd. you running nscd? |
| 19:24.05 | abrotman | @tell maxxle about kp |
| 19:24.15 | Bob332 | bbrazil, nsswitch is the same for all my deb systems |
| 19:24.22 | konfuzed | uhm I just used aptitude to get the kernel-source and kernel-headers but |
| 19:24.24 | karsten | sandman: You could use Xen |
| 19:24.32 | Backup | make -C /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/source SUBDIRS=/usr/src/modules/alsa-driver O=/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/build modules |
| 19:24.32 | Backup | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.32 | Backup | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.43 | Bob332 | bbrazil, whats nscd? |
| 19:24.49 | Bob332 | name server something? |
| 19:24.53 | konfuzed | there is still no /usr/src/linux or /usr/srce/linux-2.6 |
| 19:24.56 | maxxle | abrotman: thx. I will start there. |
| 19:24.58 | bbrazil | name service caching daemon |
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| 19:25.01 | konfuzed | where did it go ? |
| 19:25.01 | karsten | TheCount: VM overhead varies. For bochs it's unacceptably high. qemu's usable for testing type stuff. Xen is in the 2-4% range. |
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| 19:25.08 | DarkNeo | hi |
| 19:25.13 | DarkNeo | there is anyone? |
| 19:25.23 | karsten | DarkNeo: No |
| 19:25.24 | psychonate | Does anyone use arson on Testing? I can't seem to import playlists or add files anymore for audio discs. Arson just freezes up when I try. Has anyone else had this problem? |
| 19:25.29 | bbrazil | Bob332: try a /etc/init.d/nscd restart, that'll clear the cache if any |
| 19:25.30 | sandman | Thanks guys |
| 19:25.39 | DarkNeo | you can help me? |
| 19:25.45 | karsten | @tell DarkNeo about ask |
| 19:25.54 | konfuzed | karsten: you took the kword outa my mouth |
| 19:25.57 | Bob332 | bbrazil, i dont have a nscd in my init.d |
| 19:25.58 | karsten | DarkNeo: ... take the blue pill |
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| 19:26.34 | stew | karsten: viagra? |
| 19:26.38 | Bob332 | bbrazil, when i do a host on a totally unrelated machine i get the same output |
| 19:26.41 | DarkNeo | karsten: ur mother is died by my hand |
| 19:26.43 | Backup | can someone speak german? |
| 19:26.45 | konfuzed | where are the kernel sources supposed to be |
| 19:26.47 | cy_ | SlammerXP .. i havent lost any data at all.. i am asking for a friend.. and there is no reason to be so rude..... |
| 19:26.48 | Pmarc | DarkNeo: go ahead,just ask! |
| 19:26.49 | Denn | I got a virtuelserver, where i got access to the console, is it possible to install eg. gnome and then connect using vnc ? |
| 19:26.53 | DarkNeo | i fucked she alway yesterday |
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| 19:26.58 | Pmarc | nacht |
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| 19:27.07 | DarkNeo | she laught like a pig |
| 19:27.13 | abrotman | DarkNeo: STOP |
| 19:27.18 | fbi | DarkNeo: start talking Debian or get out. |
| 19:27.21 | Backup | nabend |
| 19:27.23 | DarkNeo | he broke my ball |
| 19:27.25 | TheCount | !de |
| 19:27.29 | DarkNeo | without motive |
| 19:27.30 | nse | Hello everybody! Is there a package to add extra font to my firefox? Becouse there are a few fonts which I cannot read sometimes while browsering things on the web. |
| 19:27.38 | stew | !ops DarkNeo talking nonsense |
| 19:27.42 | fbi | no dpkg |
| 19:27.43 | konfuzed | the /usr/src/linux doesnt exist but aptitude lists kernel-sources as isntalled |
| 19:27.43 | abrotman | hehehe |
| 19:27.47 | stew | @ops DarkNeo talking nonsense |
| 19:27.47 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: DarkNeo talking nonsense |
| 19:28.00 | stew | i'll save it for next time |
| 19:28.01 | Rawplayer | hey since when is it a "@"? |
| 19:28.02 | karsten | Backup: Nein. |
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| 19:28.12 | karsten | @ops DarkNeo troll |
| 19:28.12 | abrotman | Rawplayer: dpkg is on vacation .. somewhere in the south pacific |
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| 19:28.13 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: DarkNeo troll |
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| 19:28.22 | Rawplayer | oh |
| 19:28.24 | Backup | kannst du mir helfen? |
| 19:28.24 | Rawplayer | i see |
| 19:28.28 | stew | konfuzed: its in /lib/modules/2.x.x-x-x/build/ |
| 19:28.30 | bbrazil | Bob332: In that case one of your dns servers mustn't have got the new version. debug via dig |
| 19:28.31 | Rawplayer | !tell Backup about german |
| 19:28.33 | karsten | @tell Backup about de |
| 19:28.33 | fbi | @tell Backup about de |
| 19:28.39 | Rawplayer | lol :) |
| 19:28.39 | fbi | haha |
| 19:28.44 | karsten | Heh... |
| 19:28.51 | fbi | desktop environment eh |
| 19:28.56 | Backup | also |
| 19:29.01 | bbrazil | Bob332: one place to start is /etc/resolv.conf |
| 19:29.10 | Backup | ich ahb versucht die alsa treiber zu installieren |
| 19:29.17 | widrone | !de |
| 19:29.18 | karsten | Backup: Geh noch #debian-de bitte. |
| 19:29.19 | fbi | Backup: #debian-de |
| 19:29.26 | Backup | ah danke ;) |
| 19:29.27 | fbi | widrone: there is NO DPKG. |
| 19:29.30 | karsten | Backup: bittet. |
| 19:29.46 | konfuzed | stew: whats it doinf in lib/modules and how do I get /usr/src/linux to work with it so that I can add some kernel modules |
| 19:29.54 | fbi | caN we stop speaking german now? |
| 19:29.59 | helix | uh |
| 19:30.04 | fbi | telling him the german channel is enough. |
| 19:30.04 | helix | yeah, stop speaking german |
| 19:30.05 | widrone | fbi: dpkg is dead? Long live dpkg! |
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| 19:30.10 | TheCount | fbi: warum genau, bitte? :) *duck* |
| 19:30.24 | helix | TheCount: I said stop. |
| 19:30.59 | Gnea | hrm |
| 19:31.07 | stew | konfuzed: what are you trying ot compile? /lib/modules/${version}/build/ is the correct location, anything that is looking for kenrel source in /usr/src/linux is broken and should be fixed |
| 19:31.11 | TheCount | helix: considern learning about humor ;) |
| 19:31.25 | TheCount | s/considern/consider/ |
| 19:31.34 | Gnea | everytime i try to burn with this external dvd burner, it gets rejected: scsi: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery: host 1 channel 0 id 0 lun 0 |
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| 19:31.47 | konfuzed | stew: asterisk zaptel from cvs |
| 19:31.47 | stew | which reminds me, i need to file a but against m-a in that regard |
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| 19:32.05 | fbi | stew: using butreport? |
| 19:32.13 | stew | hah, oops |
| 19:32.13 | konfuzed | I want to do jabber2 as well |
| 19:32.16 | fbi | hehe |
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| 19:32.37 | sewi | hello, do you know a free library for autoshapes in .svg format? |
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| 19:33.28 | stew | konfuzed: you can feel free to make the link from /usr/src/linux to /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.x.x.x-x-x but if that fixes it you should file a bug with asterisk |
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| 19:36.19 | abrotman | yay spam bots |
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| 19:36.35 | Mazingaro | is there any matlab user here? |
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| 19:36.59 | abrotman | is matlab in debian ? |
| 19:37.03 | roby | I just tried a ./configure for a source package and it said "configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables" ... what packages am i missing? I have gcc |
| 19:37.16 | abrotman | @b-e roby |
| 19:37.17 | ravenbird | roby: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. apt-get install build-essential |
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| 19:37.49 | roby | abrotman: thanks |
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| 19:40.15 | Mazingaro | qualcuno di voi conosce la nous informatica? |
| 19:40.27 | Mazingaro | sorry |
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| 19:40.42 | abrotman | !es |
| 19:40.49 | abrotman | oh .. nm |
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| 19:41.02 | thingfish | ~it |
| 19:41.03 | apt | italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
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| 19:41.23 | abrotman | i thought there was a #matlab or something ? |
| 19:42.16 | afd_ | where can I find the firewall files for a debian server? |
| 19:42.31 | Mazingaro | abrotman: yes an empty channel :) |
| 19:42.34 | TheCount | afd_: I recommend installing FIAIF |
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| 19:43.20 | afd_ | TheCount, yeah, I've used that. But I have a new debian server, not installed by me and I was wondering where I could see the firewall rules |
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| 19:43.42 | TheCount | afd_: try "iptables -L" and "iptables -t nat -L" |
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| 19:43.57 | jabao | I changed from Sarge 3.1 stable to testing. Now every time that I open an application and try to minimize it, the system kills the application. Any observations. |
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| 19:44.17 | TheCount | uh - testing isn't stable? ;) |
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| 19:44.51 | apogee_XL | hello people |
| 19:44.56 | mike_sol | ji |
| 19:45.03 | apogee_XL | gnea :hi Eintein ;-) |
| 19:45.14 | mike_sol | wow i fucked up the spelling of a two letter word |
| 19:45.20 | apogee_XL | ooops ,Einstein that is ... |
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| 19:45.36 | jabao | keep the chat clean guys |
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| 19:50.14 | writerase | hi, Is there a script for generating valid Release file (I need that to run a local mirror) thx |
| 19:50.48 | abrotman | dpkg-scanpackages ? |
| 19:50.57 | abrotman | or that just generates a packages.gz ? |
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| 19:51.09 | writerase | abrotman, yes only packages.gz at the moment |
| 19:51.17 | abrotman | writerase: no options to do both ? |
| 19:51.32 | DeVol | which kernel should i install for a AMD X2 (dual core) ? amd64-k8 smp ? |
| 19:51.42 | abrotman | probably |
| 19:51.48 | abrotman | might want to ask #debian-amd64 |
| 19:51.55 | konfuzed | im havin trouble getting this package to find the kernel sources |
| 19:52.01 | apogee_XL | gnea: last time has a problem with VIA's S3 Unichrome VGA.repp_ told me first to download a driver from sourceforge, then I was advised to try the testing distro. |
| 19:52.11 | apogee_XL | gnea: guess what |
| 19:52.17 | abrotman | @s3 |
| 19:52.17 | ravenbird | extra, extra, read all about it, s3 is shit, shower, shave. The Morning Ritual |
| 19:52.24 | abrotman | ravenbird: you lie |
| 19:52.24 | ravenbird | abrotman: i haven't a clue |
| 19:52.27 | writerase | abrotman, can't find any flags for that |
| 19:52.42 | apogee_XL | gnea : it does NOT support this card.and it doesn't obviously recognise it |
| 19:52.52 | apogee_XL | gnea: ?? |
| 19:53.07 | stew | writerase: apt-ftparchive ; read the repository howto |
| 19:53.21 | writerase | stew, thx |
| 19:53.25 | apogee_XL | gnea: using the LATEST testing AMD64 distro,that is |
| 19:53.28 | konfuzed | I have /lib/modules/2.6.8.-2-386/ sym linked to /usr/src/linux |
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| 19:53.40 | konfuzed | is that the right symlink |
| 19:53.55 | TTimo | lo .. how can I configure apt so it doesn't keep loads of debs in /var/cache/apt/archive |
| 19:54.01 | TTimo | or is there a command to cleanup |
| 19:54.04 | abrotman | TTimo: apt-get clean |
| 19:54.10 | konfuzed | at least for a package that insists on looking in /usr/src |
| 19:54.13 | SimonRaven | konfuzed: there's no need to make that symlink |
| 19:54.16 | TTimo | thks .. |
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| 19:54.36 | loukoum | With gnome 2 how do I setup the applications "open with..." ? |
| 19:54.49 | konfuzed | the package im installing cant find the kernel sources |
| 19:55.03 | stew | TTimo: man apt.conf if you want to turn it off completely |
| 19:55.17 | Eclipser | is there any way to check how much memory my graphics card might have? |
| 19:55.22 | apogee_XL | gnea : thanks for your kinds comments "expert" |
| 19:55.29 | konfuzed | and says I must put a symlink in /usr/src/ to /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/build |
| 19:55.35 | TTimo | w00t 3Gb freed :) |
| 19:55.36 | konfuzed | but there is no build directory |
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| 19:56.04 | TTimo | stew, thks I'll look at that |
| 19:56.17 | konfuzed | and the README.Linux26 says I must put a symlink in /usr/src/ to /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/build |
| 19:56.19 | stew | konfuzed: apt-get install kenel-headers-2.6.8-2.386 |
| 19:56.31 | SimonRaven | konfuzed: oh that symlink. yeh sure, go ahead. i got confused =) |
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| 19:56.38 | konfuzed | stew: aptitude already lists that as installed |
| 19:57.05 | stew | konfuzed: then if /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/build is empty you must have deleted it, reinstall the -headers package |
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| 19:58.36 | konfuzed | well its redoing it any way |
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| 19:59.03 | ma3x | hi |
| 19:59.07 | konfuzed | yeah build is back |
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| 19:59.31 | sandman | So does a vserver get a seperate IP address? |
| 19:59.42 | ma3x | i can change the frequency of my monitor on windows xp, but not in debian (the maximum is 60Hz). Do you know any way to do this? |
| 19:59.50 | konfuzed | what about kernel sources |
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| 19:59.59 | konfuzed | aptitude said it was installed but |
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| 20:00.17 | konfuzed | directories seemed to be missing |
| 20:00.20 | sandman | Xen runs with very low overhead, yes? |
| 20:00.26 | sandman | Does it offer 3d acceleration, also? |
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| 20:00.38 | gq_gunhed | hi all |
| 20:00.43 | ma3x | is /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 the config file for xorg? |
| 20:00.44 | konfuzed | what is supposed to be in /usr/src for the kernel sources |
| 20:00.48 | sandman | xen vs. vserver? |
| 20:00.53 | abrotman | sandman: your servers run X ? |
| 20:01.15 | sandman | abrotman: Yes. vnc |
| 20:01.17 | ma3x | abrotman, can you help me plz? |
| 20:01.29 | abrotman | sandman: why would you do that? .. do you have a mental deficiency ? |
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| 20:01.36 | konfuzed | ive got kernel-source-2.8.6.bz2 |
| 20:01.42 | ma3x | Where is the XORG config file? |
| 20:01.43 | sandman | abrotman: Yes. |
| 20:01.52 | CorrsFan | ma3x: /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 20:01.53 | valdyn_ | !drxx ma3x |
| 20:01.54 | konfuzed | and a directory called patches |
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| 20:01.55 | sandman | abrotman: I used to ride the short bus. So which one do you think is better for a desktop? |
| 20:01.57 | abrotman | fbi: see .. he agrees |
| 20:02.01 | valdyn_ | ~drxx ma3x |
| 20:02.05 | konfuzed | i suspect I was short changed |
| 20:02.09 | abrotman | sandman: is it a desktop or a server? |
| 20:02.15 | aardvarx | Good day, all. I am trying to fetch the source for inline-octave with apt-get. However, when I use the '=' symbol, it claims that the source package does not exist. How can I fetch the source? |
| 20:02.17 | sandman | abrotman: I guess a desktop. |
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| 20:02.22 | sandman | abrotman: Although is runs many services. |
| 20:02.24 | abrotman | ma3x: you have to pick more than one mode in the X config |
| 20:02.29 | abrotman | @drxx ma3x |
| 20:02.29 | ravenbird | ma3x: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) |
| 20:02.31 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.31 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.50 | ma3x | abrotman, if i can set my monitor to 200 HZ in winxp, what should i modify here? |
| 20:02.50 | CorrsFan | aardvarx: do you have deb-src lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 20:02.52 | ma3x | the horiz or vertrefresh? |
| 20:03.01 | abrotman | ma3x: wtf kind of monitor is that ? |
| 20:03.14 | aardvarx | CorrsFan, yes I do. |
| 20:03.21 | abrotman | sandman: i've never used Xen .. but i've heard it's good .. might as well play with it |
| 20:03.26 | ma3x | abrotman, LCD, but I have one CRT connected to it |
| 20:03.28 | lucox | hi, can me someone advice a case tool with php exporting ? not only knowing about, but experiences too. I see that umbrello could know and read about dia with xml2php5 but cannot find throught google ... |
| 20:03.32 | aardvarx | Lyre & lcs(MIT) |
| 20:03.40 | ma3x | abrotman, and the problem is that the CRT will run only at 60HZ |
| 20:03.50 | ma3x | abrotman, but in winxp its 100, because the lcd is set to 200 |
| 20:03.58 | CorrsFan | "apt-get source inline-octave" should do the trick |
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| 20:04.02 | abrotman | ma3x: check in the X logs .. it might state why |
| 20:04.11 | aardvarx | CorrsFan, in particular, what I did was "apt-get -f source inline-octave=0.22" |
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| 20:04.23 | abrotman | lucox: try in #php .. they might know |
| 20:04.23 | ma3x | abrotman, just tell me which one is for the vertical frequency? |
| 20:04.28 | abrotman | @kill the stupid spambots |
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| 20:04.38 | ma3x | abrotman, HorizSync 30-60 do i need to change that? |
| 20:04.42 | abrotman | ma3x: your manual should tell you .. i can't tell you what it should be |
| 20:04.43 | CorrsFan | aardvarx: are you running unstable or stable? |
| 20:05.01 | aardvarx | CorrsFan, unstable. |
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| 20:05.09 | abrotman | isn't it -b source ? |
| 20:05.21 | ma3x | abrotman, I dont have a manual dude, I just got an old monitor |
| 20:05.37 | abrotman | ma3x: what size is it .. how old ? |
| 20:05.50 | ma3x | abrotman, 17" sony trinitron |
| 20:06.01 | abrotman | and how old ? |
| 20:06.07 | ma3x | abrotman, i dunno maybe a few years |
| 20:06.08 | CorrsFan | aardvarx: if you don't specify the =0.22 it should download the 0.22 because that's the latest version |
| 20:06.18 | abrotman | ma3x: if you have a model number .. google might know |
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| 20:06.37 | ma3x | abrotman, I have |
| 20:06.38 | ma3x | hold on |
| 20:06.49 | aardvarx | I will try "apt-get -f dist-upgrade" and see if that makes any difference... |
| 20:07.10 | CorrsFan | aardvarx, -f is used to fix things when they go bad |
| 20:07.16 | CorrsFan | you don't need it to install stuff |
| 20:07.24 | stew | i don't think -f dist-upgrade is valid |
| 20:07.45 | EdibleText | ma3x, and when you find it, write down the relevent specs with indelible marker somewhere on the monitor. you will thank yourself later. |
| 20:07.49 | aardvarx | valid??? |
| 20:08.04 | ma3x | abrotman, EdibleText |
| 20:08.05 | ma3x | http://monitors.alege.net/Sony-GS-Series-Model-200-White-17-inCRT-Conventional-Monitor.html |
| 20:08.08 | ma3x | that's the monitor |
| 20:08.20 | CorrsFan | "apt-get update" should your packages lists |
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| 20:08.25 | Pitchin_uk | how do i get something to load on startup on kde |
| 20:08.28 | ma3x | but to what should i set now those horiz and verticalrefresh? |
| 20:08.39 | aardvarx | CorrsFan, I guess I am just a creature of habit; I have always done that to make sure everything is copacetic. |
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| 20:09.17 | foo | Can someone clear this up - sarge = testing, etch is unstable ... and woody = stable, right? |
| 20:09.35 | Pitchin_uk | i thought sarge was stable |
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| 20:09.39 | stew | foo: no woody is oldstable sarge is stable etch is testing |
| 20:09.40 | foo | Pitchin_uk: nah |
| 20:09.40 | CorrsFan | foo, sarge=stable, etch=testing, sid is ALWAYS unstable and woody=oldstable |
| 20:09.51 | EdibleText | foo, currently sarge = stable |
| 20:09.58 | foo | box:/home/foo# cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:09.58 | foo | testing/unstable |
| 20:10.02 | foo | I am on sarge now |
| 20:10.11 | Gob | Hi people. I need some little help please about VINO. how to configure in command-line mode ? Can someone help me please ? |
| 20:10.24 | abrotman | ma3x: i found this .. http://www.euras.com/repair_tips_1/sony/CPD200GST/CPD200GST_Sony.htm .. nice monitor :) |
| 20:10.25 | foo | For a server what would you guys recommend? |
| 20:10.30 | foo | sarge? |
| 20:10.35 | EdibleText | yeah |
| 20:10.41 | foo | That's what I thought - thanks |
| 20:10.55 | ma3x | abrotman, can you please tell me what to put for the frequency in xorg.conf? |
| 20:10.55 | ircdevil | anyone knows stuff about yacc? - where to start? |
| 20:11.00 | foo | slummer: heh, I don't care for the compiling. |
| 20:11.19 | aardvarx | CorrsFan, thanks for the help. |
| 20:11.42 | ma3x | abrotman, "nice monitor" was a joke right? |
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| 20:11.49 | ma3x | those faults are listed there right? |
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| 20:12.24 | acid-trip | aardvarq, |
| 20:12.34 | fbi | why can't you look for yourself? |
| 20:12.43 | fbi | you obivously know the url |
| 20:12.44 | abrotman | ma3x: i'm looking .. |
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| 20:13.08 | ma3x | abrotman, try to find please |
| 20:13.12 | fbi | abrotman: my toilet is clogged, can you come over and fix it later? |
| 20:13.53 | foo | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso - this is what I am getting ... is this sarge? |
| 20:14.00 | foo | From the debian site. |
| 20:14.10 | markybob | yes, that's sarge |
| 20:14.22 | Pitchin_uk | when i try to unmount the cd-rom it tells me that the drive is busy |
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| 20:14.36 | markybob | Pitchin_uk, make sure you're not in /mnt or wherver it is you mounted it to |
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| 20:14.58 | markybob | Pitchin_uk, try cd / && umount /dev/cdrom && eject /dev/cdrom |
| 20:15.08 | lateshn | Hi there |
| 20:15.18 | ma3x | abrotman, i'll try to change the freq. randomly |
| 20:15.19 | ma3x | hold on |
| 20:15.28 | markybob | ma3x NO!! |
| 20:15.29 | Gob | Hi guys. someone can help me with vino (gnome vnc server) please... |
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| 20:15.36 | lateshn | Anyone free out here....who can help me configure xserver |
| 20:15.37 | fbi | why do people leave irc to restart X? |
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| 20:15.48 | Pitchin_uk | markybob: just get device is busy |
| 20:15.52 | fbi | dpkg: hi |
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| 20:15.57 | stew | !wb |
| 20:16.09 | dpkg | hello, fbi |
| 20:16.10 | dpkg | thanks, stew. It's good to be back. |
| 20:16.12 | EdibleText | fbi, xterm not using screen perhaps |
| 20:16.17 | Gob | \join #gome |
| 20:16.23 | Gob | \join #gnome |
| 20:16.30 | fbi | \me tries this |
| 20:16.30 | dondelelcaro | Gob: that's /join #gnome |
| 20:16.31 | Pitchin_uk | gob try / |
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| 20:16.44 | Gob | loool |
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| 20:16.49 | ma3x | abrotman, did you find anything? |
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| 20:16.59 | lateshn | xserver |
| 20:17.03 | EdibleText | bah |
| 20:17.53 | Pitchin_uk | markybob: any ideas?? |
| 20:18.23 | lateshn | debhelper |
| 20:18.23 | Pitchin_uk | abrotman: evening!! |
| 20:18.34 | markybob | Pitchin_uk, you're obviously in it somewhere. maybe nautilus. maybe another program had a file open. close it all |
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| 20:19.45 | lateshn | hey! kbyte |
| 20:19.49 | ma3x | abrotman, you still there? |
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| 20:21.06 | ed_ | ive a quickie, where can i find the ./configure arguments for a particular .deb? |
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| 20:21.21 | ma3x | damnit |
| 20:21.28 | ma3x | to what should i set my horiz vert refresh? |
| 20:21.34 | ma3x | how can i set it to 100 or 200? |
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| 20:21.36 | Pitchin_uk | markybob: anyway of checking whats using the cdrom?? |
| 20:21.40 | Jimmymaniac-atho | Hi. Quick question: I'm configuring a gamepad. Following suggestions in joystick.txt and debianizing them a bit i created /etc/modutils/joystick. Then i did update-modules. Now, how do i make sure that it loads at boot? what file do i have to edit? |
| 20:21.40 | Maulkin | ed_: debian/rules ? |
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| 20:21.57 | hebfftijd | i have /etc/apache and /etc/apache2 which one should i use |
| 20:22.10 | markybob | ma3x, if you dont wanna fry your monitor, you set it to whatever the manufacturer says. |
| 20:22.25 | Gob | noone knows "vino" (gnome vnc server) ? |
| 20:22.29 | markybob | Pitchin_uk, Pitchin_uk close x and try in console. |
| 20:22.31 | abrotman | ma3x: i can't find anything .. can you find specs on sony's website ? |
| 20:22.38 | ma3x | abrotman, nope |
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| 20:22.49 | markybob | gob no one cares 'vino'. it's a gnome thing, it's not meant to be messed with in console |
| 20:22.52 | ma3x | markybob, i want to set it to 100, tell me how? |
| 20:23.02 | hebfftijd | i have /etc/apache and /etc/apache2 which one should i use |
| 20:23.06 | markybob | ma3x, no. i wont help you break your monitor if you dont know the proper syncs |
| 20:23.38 | valdyn_ | Jimmymaniac-atho: that what loads at boot? |
| 20:23.57 | SlammerXP | hebfftijd: use to do what? |
| 20:24.02 | foo | I am on mandriva 2006 right now ... wanting to switch to sarge. This server doesn't have a cd-rom drive. I could hook one up ... was wondering if there were any other ways. It does have a floppy drive, and I do have a 128mb usb stick |
| 20:24.05 | ma3x | markybob, how the hell should i know that, I just got the monitor, it's old |
| 20:24.17 | dondelelcaro | foo: either of those will work |
| 20:24.29 | dondelelcaro | foo: you can also install via the network, or usb-cdrom or... |
| 20:24.39 | markybob | ma3x, look for serial/model numbers on the back and google. not much else you can do |
| 20:24.43 | ma3x | under winxp I set it to 200 HZ and it's all fine |
| 20:24.44 | fbi | ma3x: boot a knoppix cd and pay attention to the sync ranges it uses during the boot process; if you can get an X server up on knoppix use the same ranges |
| 20:24.48 | ma3x | why here i can't do anything |
| 20:24.56 | hebfftijd | which on of the two apaches does debian use by default SlammerXP |
| 20:25.14 | foo | dondelelcaro: When you say "via the network" ... what do you mean, exactly? |
| 20:25.23 | ma3x | fbi, the sync ranges during the bootup process are not the optimal ones for sure |
| 20:25.30 | SlammerXP | hebfftijd: apache 1.x uses/etc/apache apache 2.x uses /etc/apache2 |
| 20:25.42 | ma3x | damn someone help will ya? |
| 20:25.45 | fbi | ma3x: they have always worked for me |
| 20:25.48 | dondelelcaro | foo: via netboot/pxe+nfs+http... |
| 20:25.49 | john_doe | I need a newer version of samba than apt-get provides on sarge. How do I get that? |
| 20:25.55 | hebfftijd | oke i see SlammerXP |
| 20:25.56 | sandman | if I install the xen binaries (using hte installer provided off their site), will it Just Work(tm)? |
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| 20:25.59 | Gob | markybob: it's a console question I asked...how to config vino in console mode... |
| 20:26.01 | dondelelcaro | john_doe: find a backport of samba to stable. |
| 20:26.07 | storixrich | i am getting the following error when the system boots but i cant figure out what is causing it, and the system seems to be ok. I see the message "Partition check: [lists partitions]" and then a segmentation fault. anyone know what is segfaulting? |
| 20:26.13 | markybob | gob yes. reread what i said. |
| 20:26.13 | ma3x | abrotman, markybob I found it http://www.softwareandstuff.com/h_mon_cg200gs.html |
| 20:26.13 | foo | dondelelcaro: I have another debian box on this network ... how would I go about with pxe+nfs+http method? |
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| 20:26.20 | Jimmymaniac-atho | valdyn_: Its supposed to load first "joydev", then "ns558", then the required joystick module, in this case "analog", with certain parameters, in that order. I created /etc/modutils/joystick, and did update-modules, so it's now in modules.conf |
| 20:26.24 | abrotman | ma3x: markybob: closest i could find http://monitorworld.com/Monitors/sony/cpd200gs.html |
| 20:26.26 | ma3x | now what should i set the HorizSync 30-60 VertRefresh 50-75 |
| 20:26.39 | john_doe | dondelelcaro: Sorry, I'm new to debian, can you explain, please? |
| 20:26.40 | valdyn_ | Jimmymaniac-atho: which kernel version are you using? |
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| 20:26.54 | ma3x | abrotman, see the one i just gave you, and tell me how to modify those |
| 20:26.57 | Jimmymaniac-atho | valdyn_: 2.6.11 |
| 20:27.05 | markybob | ma3x, hor 30-85 vert 50-120 |
| 20:27.44 | valdyn_ | Jimmymaniac-atho: ok - forget about update-modules, dont use it, also forget about /etc/modutils, put your file into /etc/modprobe.d/. Finally, add just analog to /etc/modules - that should be all |
| 20:27.46 | ma3x | let me try it |
| 20:28.06 | valdyn_ | Jimmymaniac-atho: ops, add joydev too |
| 20:28.09 | markybob | abrotman, i hate people like him. "go, tell me how!" |
| 20:28.14 | sandman | Can one run Xen _and_ vservers? |
| 20:28.22 | abrotman | ask #xen ? |
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| 20:28.31 | Jimmymaniac-atho | valdyn_: i'm on it... |
| 20:28.38 | valdyn_ | Jimmymaniac-atho: not sure what the last modules ( ns558 ) does, should be autoloaded i think |
| 20:28.39 | TheCount | sandman: most likely |
| 20:28.42 | abrotman | markybob: yeah ... well .. #hardware might have been better for him to find specs |
| 20:28.49 | foo | dondelelcaro: Any ideas? |
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| 20:29.44 | Jimmymaniac-atho | valdyn_: apparently it loads the joystick port module, not sure, i loaded it anyway :) |
| 20:29.56 | ma3x | the highest i get is 85 hz @ 1024x768. Why ? |
| 20:30.08 | valdyn_ | Jimmymaniac-atho: wont hurt if all 3 show up in /etc/modules |
| 20:30.12 | markybob | ma3x, because that's what your monitor can handle. that's quite respectable |
| 20:30.12 | ma3x | I mean that's the only thing i can select in he kde control center |
| 20:30.15 | abrotman | ma3x: just because the monitor can do 120 .. doesn't mean it can do it at 1024x768 |
| 20:30.18 | stew | ma3x: read the X log to find out why other modes were thrown out |
| 20:30.33 | ma3x | stew, where is the log? |
| 20:30.44 | ma3x | stew i dont have specified any other modes |
| 20:30.45 | EdibleText | ma3x Sony CPD-200GST; SNY0A70; 30.0-85.0; 50.0-120.0 <Monitor name>; <EISA ID (if any)>; <horiz sync in Khz>; <verc sync in Hz> |
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| 20:30.51 | stew | ma3x: /var/log/Xfree86.0.log or something similar |
| 20:31.02 | EdibleText | ma3x http://www.dewback.cl/files/public/confs/syncs.html |
| 20:31.06 | Jimmymaniac-atho | valdyn_: do i just copy/move the file into modprobe.d/ and edit /etc/modules? or does it have it's own parameters to take care of? |
| 20:31.27 | adoom | hey guys, I'm trying to compile a custom iptables package (from unstable) with the patch from http://l7-filter.sourceforge.net/. the patch requires that you reference some patched kernel sources. the debian package references it's included 2.6.12 kernel sources. what's the proper way to have it use my own kernel sources? |
| 20:31.33 | Jimmymaniac-atho | valdyn_: paste of /etc/modutils/joystick: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1108 |
| 20:31.34 | stew | ma3x: likely higher vertical refresh would have required and out of range horizontal refresh |
| 20:31.36 | ma3x | ok now the problem is that with these modes 30.0-85.0; 50.0-120.0, my lcd won't fire up |
| 20:31.37 | ma3x | the laptop lcd |
| 20:31.46 | valdyn_ | Jimmymaniac-atho: move the file to /etc/modprobe.d/, it has no business being in /etc/modutils |
| 20:31.53 | EdibleText | fookin wah! |
| 20:31.56 | Jimmymaniac-atho | valdyn_: ok |
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| 20:32.10 | stew | ma3x: if its a laptop lcd 60 is probably as fast as it goes |
| 20:32.11 | markybob | sigh |
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| 20:32.39 | acid-trip | !seen frdflint |
| 20:32.40 | dpkg | frdflint <i=budd@S01060013d4a7e00c.tb.shawcable.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 7d 16h 44m 40s ago, saying: 'thanks'. |
| 20:33.06 | Jimmymaniac-atho | valdyn_: so, if i understand it correctly, now all i need to do is to put the names in /etc/modules, right? no parameters at all? |
| 20:33.12 | valdyn_ | Jimmymaniac-atho: i know nothing about that 'above', have a look at /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base if you have that file |
| 20:33.30 | markybob | ma3x, you just set your config to work with specific monitor. what made you think that would still let you use another display? |
| 20:33.32 | ma3x | stew so how do i specify that for the laptop @ 60 and the CRT to 85? |
| 20:33.46 | valdyn_ | Jimmymaniac-atho: nope, modprobe, which is used to load the modules contained in /etc/modules does read whatever there is in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 20:33.51 | Jimmymaniac-atho | valdyn_: that's copied from the joystick.txt file, so dunno, gotta check the alsa file |
| 20:34.04 | ma3x | markybob, under windows i use the laptop with the external CRT, and its working under 100 HZ |
| 20:34.08 | sandman | Do debian kernels have vserver patches already builtin? |
| 20:34.08 | ma3x | 1024x768 |
| 20:34.11 | markybob | ma3x, you can set up different screens in XF86Config-4 for this kind of thing. of you can simply backup the file and move them back and forth |
| 20:34.13 | ma3x | how do i specify that under linux |
| 20:34.29 | markybob | ma3x, i dont give a fuck about windows. i'm telling you how things work here |
| 20:34.32 | foo | Anyone know how I would go about install debian via nfs+pxe+http ? |
| 20:34.50 | ma3x | markybob, so how do i set it to work on both monitors? |
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| 20:35.16 | markybob | ma3x, i told you. set up multiple screens in the config or just do it easy and save backups. move the one in place for what you need |
| 20:35.28 | ma3x | that's what i have set now. so why won't my laptop fire up since its from 50-120 |
| 20:35.32 | ma3x | 60 is inbetween, no? |
| 20:35.37 | markybob | oh lord |
| 20:35.38 | Jimmymaniac-atho | valdyn_: so, i only need to create that file in modprobe.d/ and it'll be all? |
| 20:35.48 | markybob | refresh rates and vsca/hscan dont work like that |
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| 20:36.14 | valdyn_ | Jimmymaniac-atho: if you put all 3 modules in order into /etc/modules then that 'above' line doesnt matter effectively anyway |
| 20:36.15 | phretor | hello there |
| 20:36.22 | asg | foo: http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ |
| 20:36.25 | valdyn_ | Jimmymaniac-atho: right. |
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| 20:37.25 | phretor | I forgot to specify `linux26` at installer boot, so I've installed the linux 2.4 kernel. What do I need in order to migrate? module-init-tool, kernel-image, initrd-tools some more? |
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| 20:37.35 | zorrolero | hi, is there any console-based player for shoutcast-streams? |
| 20:37.44 | asg | phretor: apt-get install kernel-image (pick and install a 2.6 image from the list provided) |
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| 20:37.54 | phretor | asg nothing more? |
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| 20:37.59 | markybob | zorrolero, mplayer ? |
| 20:38.05 | asg | phretor: nothing more |
| 20:38.06 | Jimmymaniac-atho | valdyn_: so, first i create the file in /etc/modprobe.d/ (essentially the same i have but without the "above" line), then i list the 3 module names in /etc/modules i the right order, then it's done, right? |
| 20:38.08 | abrotman | asg: apt-cache search ? |
| 20:38.15 | zorrolero | markybob: nothing smaller? |
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| 20:38.19 | stew | asg: pubtime? |
| 20:38.20 | asg | abrotman: kernel-image is better since it filters out all the cruft |
| 20:38.29 | valdyn_ | Jimmymaniac-atho: yea. |
| 20:38.30 | asg | stew: I'm at home today :) |
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| 20:38.32 | abrotman | asg: you typed apt-get install kernel-image :) |
| 20:38.35 | phretor | asg thanks |
| 20:38.49 | markybob | zorrolero, dont get greedy on me :) |
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| 20:38.55 | vortek | HEllo :) |
| 20:38.56 | phretor | abrotman it gives you a list |
| 20:38.59 | asg | abrotman: yes, kernel-image is a virtual package that lists available installable kernels |
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| 20:39.07 | phretor | asg yep |
| 20:39.10 | euth | say I have a bus-channel-id-lun scsi device designation... how can I map that to a device name like /dev/sda1? |
| 20:39.14 | abrotman | oh .. i had no idea :) .. i've always just done apt-cache search kernel-image 2.6 |
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| 20:39.28 | asg | abrotman: and then had to filter through all the cruft :) |
| 20:39.36 | vortek | I can't seem to find that debian package that catagorizes all the packages into sub cats so you can find stuff easily.. For example like Programing / C / compile / IDE or something like that. Can any one remember the program ? |
| 20:39.37 | abrotman | that's not much cruft |
| 20:39.37 | stew | i do apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-<tab> |
| 20:39.39 | Jimmymaniac-atho | valdyn_: done :) |
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| 20:39.58 | zorrolero | markybob: ok .) do you perhaps know a way to start xmms via cron? |
| 20:40.01 | asg | stew: zsh or bash autocomplete? |
| 20:40.08 | stew | asg: yes |
| 20:40.14 | markybob | zorrolero, wont happen. sorry to break it to you. |
| 20:40.17 | asg | phretor: if you are on sid (and maybe etch now) apt-get install linux-image (for the 2.6 ones) |
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| 20:40.22 | x-256 | can someone give me a hint on how to install an ftpd real quickly in a debian system? (with apt-get hopefully) |
| 20:40.24 | mhall | vortek: packages.debian.org |
| 20:40.29 | mhall | vortek: synaptic |
| 20:40.32 | abrotman | x-256: which one ? |
| 20:40.36 | dondelelcaro | x-256: apt-get install yourftpdthatyouwant; |
| 20:40.37 | mhall | x-256: vsftpd is a good choice |
| 20:40.40 | x-256 | abrotman: whichever, i just need to rescue some files |
| 20:40.46 | x-256 | mhall: thanks |
| 20:40.49 | markybob | zorrolero, you'll have authority problems and whole bunch of other crap cuz you have something being launched outside of x (cron) trying to get into x (xmms). it's not pretty |
| 20:40.51 | mhall | x-256: but you'll have to take some time writing a good conf file |
| 20:40.53 | abrotman | x-256: most choose proftpd or vsftpd .. apt-get install <food> |
| 20:40.56 | abrotman | foo too :) |
| 20:41.01 | asg | stew: ah :) |
| 20:41.01 | Jimmymaniac-atho | x-256: apt-cache search ftpd should give you a list of choices and related stuff |
| 20:41.04 | x-256 | ok, thannks guys |
| 20:41.06 | markybob | zorrolero, xmms has an alarm plugin, though. so if you just leave xmms open, it'll start playing at the specified time |
| 20:41.06 | stew | pureftpd seems to be the flavour of the week |
| 20:41.07 | foo | abrotman: wha? |
| 20:41.08 | mhall | x-256: since vs = very secure you'll need to open up things that you need |
| 20:41.16 | abrotman | foo: sorry .. you're a common term :) |
| 20:41.16 | vortek | mhall : nah thats not it ... If i remember ill let you know |
| 20:41.25 | mhall | vortek: ah dselect |
| 20:41.28 | asg | mhall: well very secure for ftp which isn't at all |
| 20:41.28 | vortek | /bin/sh: settrom: command not found |
| 20:41.29 | x-256 | mhall: i just need something quick, so proftpd i guess |
| 20:41.29 | zorrolero | markybob: yup, cron even runs, it seems |
| 20:41.33 | mhall | vortek: aptitude |
| 20:41.33 | markybob | stew now. vsftpd here |
| 20:41.34 | x-256 | mhall: but thanks anywaysa |
| 20:41.39 | vortek | mhall : ah aptitude may be t |
| 20:41.39 | mhall | x-256: yeah maybe a better pick |
| 20:41.43 | zorrolero | doesn't, of course |
| 20:41.44 | mhall | x-256: and it's reasonably secure |
| 20:41.46 | markybob | stew, s/now/nah |
| 20:41.47 | vortek | setterm: Argument error, usage |
| 20:41.47 | vortek | setterm |
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| 20:41.47 | vortek | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:41.57 | asg | cripes! |
| 20:42.06 | mhall | ~poke vorsprung |
| 20:42.07 | apt | but then who will poke the pokers, mhall? mathieudz? |
| 20:42.09 | foo | abrotman: :) |
| 20:42.14 | abrotman | @foo |
| 20:42.15 | ravenbird | rumour has it, foo is the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. see <http://www.catb.org/esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html>, or bar, or insert new factoid here |
| 20:42.38 | mike_sol | hmm |
| 20:42.38 | TheCount | grazafonk! |
| 20:42.40 | mike_sol | @bar |
| 20:42.40 | ravenbird | [bar] a metasyntactic variable in cahoots with foo, baz, and boo. |
| 20:42.48 | mike_sol | it doesn't state that bar comes second |
| 20:43.00 | TheCount | does it? ;) |
| 20:43.06 | mike_sol | yes |
| 20:43.08 | mhall | damn somebody replaced my good definitions of foo bar baz and boo with crap |
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| 20:43.16 | mhall | i was just querying apt off-channel |
| 20:43.27 | mhall | we need a factoid czar to delete all the stupid entries |
| 20:43.28 | markybob | at least fubar is still good |
| 20:43.35 | asg | mhall: apt is schizo and has been for years. dpkg is the definitive reference but has buggered off for a bit |
| 20:43.41 | TheCount | mike_sol: depends, I'd say |
| 20:43.44 | Jimmymaniac-atho | Ok, thanks, gotta do, umm, research with the gamepad... yes! research! :) |
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| 20:43.50 | mhall | asg: i thought apt and dpkg had the same factoids? |
| 20:43.59 | mhall | asg: even though they used to be distinct |
| 20:44.11 | asg | mhall: they can theoretically sync but I don't think they have done so in some time. |
| 20:44.16 | mhall | asg: ah |
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| 20:44.31 | asg | mhall: I think the codebases are different now since dondelelcaro maintains dpkg and apt has fallen into disrepair. |
| 20:44.38 | stew | ~foo |
| 20:44.39 | apt | bar |
| 20:44.43 | fbi | !gender |
| 20:44.43 | dpkg | I'm lesbian |
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| 20:44.45 | vortek | wooops |
| 20:44.51 | abrotman | dpkg: you live! |
| 20:44.51 | vortek | mhall yeah it was apttitude |
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| 20:45.45 | asg | abrotman: apparently, Rawplayer switched nics to dpkg after dpkg left earlier. |
| 20:45.59 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 20:46.00 | dpkg | hello, abrotman |
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| 20:46.04 | mhall | asg: rawplayer? |
| 20:46.11 | mhall | there are too many dumb bots here |
| 20:46.18 | abrotman | mhall: there are 3 normal ones |
| 20:46.25 | abrotman | and for the record .. i am NOT a bot |
| 20:46.30 | asg | mhall: 15:48 [debian] -!- Rawplayer [n=kevin@ipc31055d2.oom-killer.org] |
| 20:46.30 | wang_ | hola |
| 20:46.30 | x-256 | once I do apt-get install proftpd, i did kill -HUP PID_of_xinetd but the ftpd isn't starting? any hints anyone? |
| 20:46.32 | mhall | they complain about people filling the channel full of crap |
| 20:46.38 | asg | mhall: don't think that was a bot though |
| 20:46.43 | mhall | then they populate it with moron bots |
| 20:47.03 | mhall | and then they wonder why it's sux compared with how it was in the mid-90s |
| 20:47.17 | mhall | it's so full of worthless spew sometimes |
| 20:47.18 | mhall | f0ck |
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| 20:47.40 | asg | mhall: I think we had a 50% badger reference quotient at some point |
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| 20:47.51 | EdibleText | heh |
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| 20:48.07 | EdibleText | !badger |
| 20:48.38 | mhall | asg: gah that's horrifying |
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| 20:48.52 | mhall | abrotman: waah! i want an ig nobel! waah! |
| 20:48.54 | dragan | a question: when i use artwiz fonts in e/aterm, mc draws all kinds of wierd things but the usual lines??? |
| 20:48.59 | abrotman | !irritate mhall |
| 20:49.00 | foo | I am currently on mandriva right now. Anyway I could replace some of the stuff in /boot to load the debian sarge installer when I restart the system or something? |
| 20:49.03 | dpkg | mhall: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses gnome thx |
| 20:49.04 | stew | abrotman: i think someone else won that one already |
| 20:49.09 | abrotman | stew: me ? |
| 20:49.11 | asg | mhall: I think g4lt purged most of the cruft. |
| 20:49.24 | abrotman | and then he ran away |
| 20:49.28 | stew | abrotman: the zsh maintainer's namesake (don't want to wake him up with a nick hilight) |
| 20:49.45 | EdibleText | foo test |
| 20:50.07 | x-256 | anyone? after apt-get install proftpd, how do I start the service? |
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| 20:50.07 | mhall | !troll abrotman |
| 20:50.12 | abrotman | yay! |
| 20:50.19 | mhall | abrotman: didn't mean it like that |
| 20:50.20 | abrotman | x-256: /etc/init.d/proftpd restart |
| 20:50.25 | mhall | abrotman: i wanted to bot to troll you |
| 20:50.26 | EdibleText | whoa. foo isnt a bot. I thought he responded to that !irritate |
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| 20:50.27 | x-256 | abrotman: thanks! |
| 20:50.39 | foo | EdibleText: HAHA |
| 20:50.40 | foo | Nah |
| 20:50.41 | mhall | EdibleText: hahaha! |
| 20:50.48 | Rawplayer | asg: yes sorry |
| 20:50.54 | Rawplayer | i changed it for a few seconds |
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| 20:51.05 | asg | Rawplayer: no worries |
| 20:51.06 | x-256 | abrotman: it gives an error: ProFTPd warning: not start neither in standalone nor in inetd/xinetd mode, apparently. Check your configuration. But I _did_ tell it to be run under inetd when it asked me.. |
| 20:51.08 | abrotman | ok .. dpkg is fucked |
| 20:51.26 | markybob | x-256, so check your configuration |
| 20:51.26 | abrotman | x-256: tbh .. i'd run it in standalone |
| 20:51.34 | asg | !qotd |
| 20:51.34 | dpkg | Quote of the Day. Ask me <qotd0> to get a random one, or <literal qotd0> to see which numbers are used already, or <literal qotdx> to see which numbers have been voted "replaceable". |
| 20:51.47 | asg | abrotman: seems responsive enough |
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| 20:51.49 | abrotman | !maint apache2-common |
| 20:51.51 | dpkg | apache2-common: Debian Apache Maintainers <debian-apache@lists.debian.org> |
| 20:51.53 | abrotman | wtf |
| 20:51.56 | abrotman | !maint zsh |
| 20:51.56 | markybob | x-256, just for shits, try to ftp into yourself. |
| 20:52.04 | stew | abrotman: clint |
| 20:52.04 | x-256 | markybob: i checked /etc/xinetd.conf and it looks fine |
| 20:52.04 | vortek | wang: WAKE UP |
| 20:52.05 | zOrK | !main xmms |
| 20:52.09 | zOrK | !maint xmms |
| 20:52.11 | Ockie | Good evening people. |
| 20:52.12 | x-256 | markybob: hmm, let me try |
| 20:52.15 | abrotman | stew: oh .. he was a whiner ? .. i thought he was just a total moron :) |
| 20:52.18 | dragan | a question: when i use artwiz fonts in e/aterm, mc draws all kinds of wierd things but the usual lines??? |
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| 20:52.29 | x-256 | markybob: nada |
| 20:52.33 | abrotman | !info zsh |
| 20:52.33 | mhall | abrotman: no clint is just very new and enthusiastic |
| 20:52.40 | mhall | abrotman: and completely crackbrained |
| 20:52.44 | foo | I am downloading the debian ISO from here... this is sarge, right? http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 20:52.46 | asg | mhall: the blog proves that |
| 20:52.48 | markybob | x-256, set it to standalone and be done with it |
| 20:52.48 | mhall | abrotman: particularly when using the Zoo nickname |
| 20:52.49 | abrotman | mhall: i find it hard to believe that someone can get bsd installed and can't figure out debian |
| 20:52.55 | Ockie | anyone mind giving a total Linux newbie some tips? :) |
| 20:52.58 | mhall | abrotman: but that's what makes him so entirely fucking amusing |
| 20:53.04 | abrotman | Ockie: tips about ? |
| 20:53.11 | streuner | Ockie: yes, read, read, read |
| 20:53.12 | mhall | abrotman: he says some of the funniest shit i've seen my entire time in the channel |
| 20:53.15 | mhall | asg: blog? |
| 20:53.19 | asg | mhall: p.d.o |
| 20:53.20 | x-256 | markybob: any hints on how to do this? |
| 20:53.23 | markybob | foo yes, that's sarge. |
| 20:53.28 | asg | mhall: where p == planet, not packages |
| 20:53.32 | Ockie | well, im going to buy a new hard disk tomorrow, i have used Windows all my life.. want to start using Linux Debian... |
| 20:53.33 | markybob | x-256, nano -w /etc/proftpd/blahblah |
| 20:53.35 | abrotman | asg: you're confusing clint's |
| 20:53.38 | asg | abrotman: oh |
| 20:53.41 | asg | mhall: my mistake |
| 20:53.48 | x-256 | markybob: ok, thanks |
| 20:53.50 | foo | markybob: tanks |
| 20:53.51 | mhall | asg: and which does it prove |
| 20:53.51 | abrotman | asg: not the story one .. the one that was here earlier |
| 20:54.04 | asg | abrotman: ah, I was away most of the weekend. |
| 20:54.09 | abrotman | asg: so was i! |
| 20:54.11 | Ockie | So I dont know anything about it :) My teacher @ university recommended me Debian... |
| 20:54.17 | asg | abrotman: on the road? |
| 20:54.23 | abrotman | asg: i went to MA |
| 20:54.24 | markybob | Ockie, good, so you can ask your teacher for help |
| 20:54.33 | asg | abrotman: ah, good time? |
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| 20:54.48 | Ockie | well... dont know lol... he's from programming... not even my year.. :) |
| 20:55.03 | abrotman | !ig |
| 20:55.03 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 20:55.05 | vortek | is there a gui version of any thing close to aptitude ? |
| 20:55.15 | Ockie | ok, will read that :) thanks dpkg |
| 20:55.21 | valdyn_ | vortek: synaptic |
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| 20:55.45 | oberon | vortek: synaptic |
| 20:55.48 | Ockie | woah... big file |
| 20:55.50 | oberon | lol:) |
| 20:55.52 | vortek | valdyn_: Ill try that .. Im just using it to browse file catagories realy fast like dev then c/c++ and such |
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| 20:56.29 | Ockie | Debian has its own C compiler? (sorry if I ask dumb questions :) ) |
| 20:56.37 | asg | Ockie: apt-get install build-essential |
| 20:56.42 | vortek | Ockie : im just using that as an example |
| 20:56.44 | valdyn_ | Ockie: probably 5+ |
| 20:56.47 | ma3x | I just booted to XP, pressed the button on the monitor, and saw 84,1KHz/100Hz. Now I tried to put that in the xorg.conf but it won't start the screen |
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| 20:57.24 | parag0n | does anyone have any experiance of installing debian onto a CF card? |
| 20:57.34 | sha1sum | what's the true value in bytes of 128K ? |
| 20:57.37 | x-256 | markybob: standalone did it, thanks dude, have a good day! |
| 20:57.47 | abrotman | i said that! |
| 20:57.58 | ma3x | abrotman what did you say? |
| 20:58.01 | stew | ma3x: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 20:58.12 | abrotman | ma3x: not you |
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| 20:58.26 | abrotman | sha1sum: 1024*128 |
| 20:58.43 | sha1sum | thanks |
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| 20:59.15 | Under^Uni | Hi...can any1 recommend a webcam with linux driver which works good ? |
| 20:59.18 | ma3x | stew first of all I want to know what to put in the xorg.conf and then I'm gonna check the log |
| 20:59.25 | TheCount | parag0n: yupp, works |
| 20:59.39 | abrotman | !any1 |
| 20:59.40 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
| 20:59.44 | ma3x | stew if I put HorizSync 84 |
| 20:59.45 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:59.50 | ma3x | then it won't start |
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| 21:00.10 | stew | ma3x: those should be ranges, what kind of monitor is it? is it a digially connected lcd? |
| 21:00.19 | parag0n | trying it atm, just been having problems installing grub / lilo |
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| 21:00.40 | jcurry | i am using 2.6.14, and i have udev installed, but my /dev/usb directory is missing, and I need it for my usb printer? how do i get it back? |
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| 21:00.56 | Ockie | I downloaded i386 netinst |
| 21:01.04 | markybob | stew he knows the proper ranges. we gave them to him. he doesnt seem to care and thinks he's right about it all, though. |
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| 21:01.23 | ma3x | stew its a laptop with external CRT |
| 21:01.38 | Ockie | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:01.52 | ma3x | stew connected with a normal cable, not those sophisticated digital connectors |
| 21:01.57 | stew | ma3x: and you are trying to configure which monitor? |
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| 21:02.06 | stew | the external? and you know the ranges? |
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| 21:02.41 | markybob | Ockie, yes. seems to me like you need to read the install manual, though. |
| 21:02.43 | klync | Ockie: if you've got a good connection, and your ethernet card is supported by the cd, it'll guide you through the whole install |
| 21:02.45 | ecliptik | is there a way to have all files created/copied in a dir have the same ownership regardless of who actually created them? |
| 21:02.58 | markybob | Eclipser, yes. man cp. |
| 21:03.18 | stew | ecliptik: cp will by default set all ownership to the user running cp |
| 21:03.19 | markybob | Eclipser, i misread, sorry |
| 21:03.21 | Ockie | connection should be ok, my etheret car is the build-in one from a K8N Diamond motheboard |
| 21:03.23 | ma3x | stew I'm trying to get both work |
| 21:03.37 | markybob | Eclipser, or i just dont understand what you said. try again? |
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| 21:03.57 | Eclipser | markybob, you try again |
| 21:03.59 | ma3x | stew: under winXP for some reason there is refresh rate 200 HZ and it works perfectly for both monitors |
| 21:04.09 | markybob | that's bull shit |
| 21:04.23 | markybob | a refresh rate of 200Hz at what you said 1024x768. i dont think so |
| 21:04.33 | parag0n | the new graphical installer is pretty sexy ^____^ |
| 21:04.37 | ma3x | stew: and then when I press the info button on the big CRT I get 84.1 KHz/100 Hz |
| 21:04.38 | klync | Ockie: does the manual say what kind it is? e.g. rtl8139, intel e100, .... |
| 21:04.40 | ma3x | stew but I don't know how to set this on linux? |
| 21:04.40 | ma3x | markybob whats bullshit? |
| 21:04.40 | ma3x | markybob I told you that's the setting |
| 21:04.41 | ma3x | i dont know why its there |
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| 21:04.46 | ecliptik | markybob, k, and example is my webserver generates a file and puts it under the dir /home/examplename so instead of it being owned by nobody (the username apache runs under) it's own by examplename |
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| 21:05.32 | Ockie | klync: sorry... give me a minute, dont know what you are talking about right now :) (remember, its my first time going to try to do something with Linux) |
| 21:05.37 | ecliptik | is it umask or something? |
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| 21:05.48 | mhall | markybob: 200 hz would be 1337 |
| 21:05.55 | mhall | markybob: but the radiation might kill |
| 21:05.59 | markybob | mhall, :) |
| 21:06.05 | markybob | mhall, but hey, that's what he says it is, so it must be |
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| 21:06.15 | stew | every lcd i've ever owned runs at 60 |
| 21:06.15 | mhall | markybob: perhaps 133.7 hz |
| 21:06.17 | thorie | hi how do i set the date? |
| 21:06.23 | markybob | ecliptik, that i dont know. you might think about just setting a cron to chown every minute |
| 21:06.24 | ma3x | but it makes both monitors work, and the big CRT works at 100 refresh rate |
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| 21:06.39 | markybob | it's 100 now? i thought he said it was 200? |
| 21:06.39 | ecliptik | markybob, that could work |
| 21:06.47 | klync | Ockie: well, when you buy a pci ethernet card in a box, it's pretty easy to tell the brand (usually, heh), but if it's onboard, you need to know which chipset it uses... |
| 21:06.51 | SimonRaven | you call someone, and ask them if they want to go out with you |
| 21:06.52 | stew | markybob: no he said the lcd was 200 and the crt was 100 |
| 21:06.58 | markybob | ah |
| 21:07.00 | klync | Ockie: simplest is to boot from the cd and just see if it can auto-config it |
| 21:07.03 | ma3x | markybob "200" is the mode the stupid xp shows |
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| 21:07.12 | ma3x | but the monitor runs at 60 of course |
| 21:07.15 | ma3x | and the CRT at 100 |
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| 21:07.21 | ma3x | now how can I make that under debian? |
| 21:07.24 | ma3x | impossible I would say |
| 21:07.28 | ma3x | agree? |
| 21:07.32 | stew | ma3x: no |
| 21:07.35 | Ockie | i didnt buy a pci ethernet card. im using the one from the motherboard |
| 21:07.40 | ma3x | let's bet |
| 21:07.49 | john_doe | I'm trying to backport samba to sarge, but when I do 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot' it complains about unmet dependencies. How can I solve that. Should I source them as well? |
| 21:07.57 | SimonRaven | ma3x: you'd lose |
| 21:08.01 | markybob | ma3x, you lose. it's simple to create multiple screens in the xfre86config like i told you to earlier |
| 21:08.12 | ma3x | markybob it's xorg, not xfree |
| 21:08.18 | markybob | ma3x, it doesnt fucking matter |
| 21:08.23 | SimonRaven | don't use xf86config. *plase* don't |
| 21:08.25 | Tortel | :O |
| 21:08.29 | SimonRaven | please even |
| 21:08.32 | Tortel | !omg |
| 21:08.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, omg is what ppl say when they see a printed copy of the CORBA specs. "OMG! IT'S HUGE!". Oh My God |
| 21:08.37 | markybob | sorry, i was feeling too lazy to type XF86Config-4 |
| 21:08.40 | markybob | i meant the file, not the config prog |
| 21:08.44 | ma3x | markybob I've already setup screen, but it won't launch because it doesnt accept the freq |
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| 21:08.55 | stew | ma3x: no you can do it with either, are you trying to setup mirrored desktop or xinerama? |
| 21:09.20 | Ockie | klync: ill have a look at that tomorrow or later this week, thanks for the tips :) |
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| 21:09.36 | klync | Ockie: np |
| 21:09.37 | ma3x | stew: i dont know whats xinerama, but i want separate screens |
| 21:09.37 | ma3x | not linked |
| 21:09.55 | Ockie | Have a nice day |
| 21:10.02 | clint- | stew should recieve a debian medal |
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| 21:10.05 | stew | ma3x: you want xinerama then, google for a howto, with xinerama you will need two different monitor definitions which correctly specify the ranges for each monitor |
| 21:10.11 | beardy | !medal stew |
| 21:10.18 | clint- | hee |
| 21:10.26 | tarzeauBSD | !qotd0 |
| 21:10.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd91 is <tarmath> I've got 2 incredibly easy questions! Anyone can answer, and thus feel better that they could be of help to someone! |
| 21:10.29 | clint- | I feel better now, laid down took a nap. was realy worn out |
| 21:10.54 | ma3x | stew but with that xinerama you would need again to specify the KHz/Hz, right? |
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| 21:11.37 | stew | ma3x: if its a digitally connected lcd you can usually not specify them and they will be detected, for a crt you need to specify the ranges |
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| 21:12.08 | clint- | someone else dealing with having to specify the horizonta and verticial sync ranges huh |
| 21:12.16 | clint- | horizontal* |
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| 21:12.17 | ma3x | stew what would I specify for 84.1 KHz /100 Hz? |
| 21:12.18 | Gob | Hi guys need some help please.. Someone can explain me how to do display export please ? |
| 21:12.29 | parag0n | stable < unstable < testing yeah? |
| 21:12.37 | ma3x | because when i put that in the Xorg.conf, it doesnt launch |
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| 21:12.55 | asg | parag0n: no |
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| 21:12.56 | stew | ma3x: you want the actual ranges as specified by the manufacturer |
| 21:13.01 | parag0n | :/ |
| 21:13.02 | siezer | anybody in here ever set up a ipsec/l2tp vpn that windows and mac users can use their 'native clients' with? |
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| 21:13.15 | asg | parag0n: stable, then testing, then unstable |
| 21:13.20 | stew | 15:29 < markybob> ma3x, hor 30-85 vert 50-120 |
| 21:13.22 | parag0n | ahh |
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| 21:13.22 | stew | ma3x: ^^^ |
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| 21:13.32 | siezer | i havent tried if for about 2 years, but back then the only available l2tp servers could only support one user, then theyd crash quickly.... was wondering on the status |
| 21:13.35 | black | hello everybody!!! |
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| 21:13.42 | parag0n | wont install a kernel :/ |
| 21:13.55 | stew | missing subject |
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| 21:13.58 | black | has gnome an ftp client? |
| 21:14.04 | asg | black: gftp |
| 21:14.04 | black | which is the name? |
| 21:14.05 | Gnea | gftp |
| 21:14.09 | ma3x | stew when I put the actual ranges, it produces only 85 refresh rate |
| 21:14.10 | djp | ok. when installing debian, and just after the packages have been downloaded and installed, you are presented with a couple of configuration screens from which you can configure the default MTA (exim4). The default options chosen are Local delivery. Not on network. and on the second screen default account to forward postmaster and root, which is the user account you setup, earlier in the confguration process. What I would like to know is, why when i look in my /v |
| 21:14.11 | black | thanks |
| 21:14.38 | Under^Uni | Hi...can any1 recommend a webcam with linux driver which works good ? |
| 21:14.47 | stew | ma3x: look for EE lines in Xorg.log to see why |
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| 21:15.27 | ygrex | Hello! |
| 21:15.28 | TheCount | Under^Uni: I use a logitech quickcam pro 4000 |
| 21:15.36 | Rawplayer | @tell Gnea about webcam |
| 21:15.53 | Gnea | Rawplayer: nice nick replacement |
| 21:15.58 | Rawplayer | 22:15 <ravenbird> i dunno what is 'webcam'. |
| 21:16.01 | Rawplayer | :'( |
| 21:16.06 | Gnea | no problem. |
| 21:16.07 | TheCount | !webcam |
| 21:16.11 | TheCount | hm. |
| 21:16.15 | clint- | ma3x: I think this will help.. look like its going help me.. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:16.20 | abrotman | oh .. i bet google can! |
| 21:16.26 | stew | clint-: he's not running xfree |
| 21:16.38 | ygrex | Could anyone help, what ftp server should I use for apt-get? |
| 21:16.42 | clint- | ah |
| 21:16.53 | Gnea | !webcam |
| 21:16.53 | dpkg | i heard webcam is a method to setup a webcam using Debian: http://www.aboutdebian.com/webcam.htm |
| 21:16.58 | clint- | ty for that. Its taking me through a setup |
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| 21:17.29 | clint- | can you tell me what my video card would be.. http://www.acerpanam.com/synapse/forms/portal.cfm?recordid=295&formid=3404&website=AcerPanAm.com&originwebsite=AcerPanAm.com¢ral=1&words=all&keywords=&pupv=pu |
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| 21:17.46 | stew | clint-: lspci | grep -i vga |
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| 21:18.00 | abrotman | bah .. stupid damn bots! |
| 21:18.22 | clint- | Its a laptop.. vesa.. crystal bright. it asking for name. I got this maybe |
| 21:18.23 | clint- | Core Logic Chipset |
| 21:18.24 | clint- | Intel 910GML |
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| 21:18.44 | ygrex | Ahmm, does anyone use apt-get ? |
| 21:18.47 | clint- | and maybe this too. sorry about that.. Intel 910GML integrated 3D graphics with up to 128MB shared RAM |
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| 21:19.45 | clint- | oh hee |
| 21:19.58 | ma3x | stew it doesnt display any (EE) lines. It just launches at 85 Hz instead of 100. But maybe that's a KDE setting? |
| 21:20.29 | clint- | VGA compatable controller: Intel Corp. Mobile Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
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| 21:21.15 | stew | ma3x: xrandr will show you all the possibilities as it is currently configured |
| 21:21.26 | fritz[] | hello, where can I find developers for m68k? |
| 21:21.27 | ma3x | stew is that a packges? |
| 21:21.33 | ma3x | er, package |
| 21:21.43 | clint- | I'm going put.. Intel 910GML |
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| 21:22.04 | mhall | clint-: you can find it using lspci |
| 21:22.07 | Under^Uni | <TheCount>which driver did u use pwc? |
| 21:22.34 | stew | clint-: put that where? |
| 21:22.44 | ma3x | stew *0 1024 x 768 ( 347mm x 260mm ) *85 75 70 |
| 21:22.54 | ma3x | stew why it doesnt display 100 ? |
| 21:23.21 | clint- | oh crap |
| 21:23.23 | ma3x | stew this is what i have in xorg.conf |
| 21:23.24 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:23.24 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:23.33 | clint- | Please enter the video card's bus identifier! |
| 21:23.35 | ma3x | is there something wrong with that?? |
| 21:23.37 | clint- | >_< |
| 21:23.56 | stew | clint-: leave it blank |
| 21:24.00 | clint- | k |
| 21:24.11 | smcavoy | anyone know why I keep getting this error: ldconfig: /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.6 is not a symbolic link |
| 21:24.29 | smcavoy | my other sarge systems do not have /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.6 as a symlink |
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| 21:24.36 | clint- | Enter the amount of memory (in kB) to be used by your video card. |
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| 21:24.41 | stew | clint-: blank |
| 21:24.46 | clint- | Mine has 128 VGA checked.. in bios |
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| 21:25.03 | ygrex | smcavoy, when do you get that error? |
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| 21:25.14 | clint- | 64 mb, 128mb ,and I can check MaxDMV whateve.r Dynamic Video thing |
| 21:25.29 | smcavoy | ygrex: whenever I run ldconfig |
| 21:25.47 | markybob | clint-, it doesnt matter x will detect it at runtime, which is why you can leave it blank |
| 21:25.49 | clint- | oh okay |
| 21:25.54 | ygrex | smcavoy, ll /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.6 ? |
| 21:25.55 | clint- | tyvm |
| 21:26.00 | ygrex | smcavoy, ls -l /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.6 ? |
| 21:26.08 | clint- | Please select the XKB rule set to use |
| 21:26.10 | smcavoy | its not a symlink |
| 21:26.18 | clint- | it has .. xfree86 there.. leave it right :) |
| 21:26.24 | markybob | right |
| 21:26.31 | stew | ma3x: if you aren't seeing ModeLines in xorg's log being thrown out with 100hz (the first number after the resulotion) then you have to supply a custom modeline, but why do you care if its only running at 85? |
| 21:26.35 | ygrex | smcavoy, do you have a libcrypto.so as a symlink? |
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| 21:26.47 | clint- | k now I"m at keyboard lol |
| 21:26.50 | smcavoy | ygrex: I just upgraded it to sarge from woody. it seems libssl0.9.6 is no longer used |
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| 21:27.01 | smcavoy | ygrex: I removed the package without error :) |
| 21:27.02 | stew | clint-: when in doubt, hit enter |
| 21:27.06 | clint- | lol yea |
| 21:27.24 | ygrex | smcavoy: hmm |
| 21:27.28 | stew | clint-: but nothing you do here is going to make 1280x800 show up |
| 21:27.31 | clint- | now I'm at my mouse options lol |
| 21:27.39 | clint- | :O |
| 21:28.01 | stew | mouse options actually make you laugh out loud? why? |
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| 21:28.45 | clint- | oh goody :D |
| 21:28.55 | clint- | select the video modes you would like the x server to use :D |
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| 21:29.07 | ygrex | smcavoy: ygrex@ygrex:~$ ls /usr/lib/libcrypt* -l |
| 21:29.07 | ygrex | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 21624 2005-10-15 00:20 /usr/lib/libcrypt.a |
| 21:29.08 | ygrex | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1054888 2004-12-17 11:51 /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.7 |
| 21:29.08 | ygrex | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1247576 2005-11-01 17:14 /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.8 |
| 21:29.08 | ygrex | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2005-11-07 03:38 /usr/lib/libcrypt.so -> /lib/libcrypt.so.1 |
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| 21:29.17 | clint- | oh my I might be gettin somewhere :) |
| 21:29.39 | jcurry | i have a usb printer that i plugin, and dmesg shows me that usblp.c is loaded, but lsusb never shows the printer...i am using 2.6.14...help! |
| 21:29.48 | clint- | yay |
| 21:29.51 | clint- | I Think I got it :) |
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| 21:30.14 | th0ger | I want to install Openoffice2 on sarge with apt-get. Ive added unstable mirrors in soursec.list and in etc/apt/preferences: Package: openoffice.org2, Pin: release a=unstable, Pin-Priority: 700. but when installing it says "selecting openoffice.org instead of openoffice.org2". What to do? |
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| 21:30.38 | ma3x | stew it doesnt display 100 HZ nowhere in xlorg. Can you please teach me how to supply a custom modeline? |
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| 21:30.54 | beardy | dpkg: foo |
| 21:30.55 | dpkg | from memory, foo is the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. See <http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/foo.html> and <bar> |
| 21:30.57 | Coffee_Machine | hello all I have problems with nvidia driver problems icw debian etch (unstable). The driver is loaded 9according to lsmod but the server breaks on a device not found error |
| 21:31.02 | beardy | Rawplayer: who are you? |
| 21:31.32 | clint- | they right about when in doubt.. hit enter :) |
| 21:31.33 | mirak_ | there is really no way to make linux guess the monitor frequencies for X ? |
| 21:31.35 | ma3x | stew can you please give me example of custom line? |
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| 21:31.47 | Rawplayer | i'am kevin |
| 21:31.56 | ma3x | nice to meet you kevin |
| 21:31.57 | Rawplayer | why? |
| 21:32.03 | Rawplayer | -,- |
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| 21:32.12 | clint- | omgggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg |
| 21:32.17 | abrotman | you're stupid ? |
| 21:32.20 | clint- | I love you guys so muchhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :D :D :D :D :D :D :D |
| 21:32.23 | asg | this isn't #aol |
| 21:32.29 | clint- | sowwy :D :D |
| 21:32.34 | stew | ma3x: they look just like the built in ones, you probably shouldn't mess with it |
| 21:32.35 | clint- | I got ma video how i wants it nows :) |
| 21:32.43 | abrotman | clint-: is it at all possible for you to talk like a normal person ? |
| 21:32.51 | clint- | its about motha funkin time |
| 21:32.52 | th0ger | can anyone help with apt-get? |
| 21:32.55 | LiquiDark | I have a linux box I haven't turned on in a while. It has 2 network cards. When I try starting it up with either or neither network card plugged into Ethernet, it starts the DHCP client, sends out a DHCPDISCOVER packet, and hangs. The lights on my switch show continual traffic. Does anyone have a clue what might be wrong? |
| 21:32.55 | ma3x | stew can you paste one? |
| 21:32.57 | clint- | yep :) |
| 21:32.57 | abrotman | apparently not |
| 21:33.00 | beardy | Rawplayer: just looked strange.. did you have the nick dpkg for a couple of minutes? |
| 21:33.06 | clint- | sorry.. excitement |
| 21:33.18 | asg | beardy: he did and has been properly spanked |
| 21:33.24 | beardy | asg: ok |
| 21:33.25 | Rawplayer | djees lol |
| 21:33.37 | Rawplayer | i didnt know so much people fell in love with dpkg |
| 21:33.39 | Rawplayer | :P |
| 21:33.40 | clint- | now I go to college tonite happy |
| 21:33.51 | clint- | yep.. count me as 1 of them |
| 21:33.54 | stew | ma3x: why? |
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| 21:34.01 | beardy | Rawplayer: As I said, it looked strange, love has nothing to do with it. |
| 21:34.02 | Coffee_Machine | When I load X with the nvidia driver I get this error: (EE) No devices detected. |
| 21:34.02 | Coffee_Machine | Fatal server error: |
| 21:34.02 | ma3x | stew because I dont have any |
| 21:34.03 | Coffee_Machine | no screens found |
| 21:34.05 | clint- | guess what made my day happy as hell.. |
| 21:34.16 | asg | Rawplayer: not that, it's just that many keep individual windows open with the bot for reference. When someone /nick's the bot, they end up talking to someone else. |
| 21:34.18 | Rawplayer | beardy: no need to shame off ;] |
| 21:34.24 | stew | ma3x: grep -i Modeline /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 21:34.25 | ma3x | stew help me please. I am trying to fix this since 2 hours |
| 21:34.25 | ma3x | my head's gonna expload |
| 21:34.38 | Rawplayer | i see |
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| 21:34.44 | Rawplayer | that explains the private messages |
| 21:34.45 | Rawplayer | hehe |
| 21:34.47 | Coffee_Machine | one error in the log: (WW) Open APM failed (/dev/apm_bios) (No such file or directory) |
| 21:34.47 | beardy | Rawplayer: as asg said |
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| 21:35.01 | clint- | finally I did what I was told. > i guessed at a couple things. but was alot of help . guessed at my video cards name and put .. INtel 910GML |
| 21:35.04 | Coffee_Machine | ?? I have apm shutoff in the bias and on does not make a dif |
| 21:35.06 | ma3x | (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "400x300" 28.15 400 416 448 524 300 300 302 315 doublescan +hsync +vsync |
| 21:35.13 | stew | yes that is a modeline |
| 21:35.19 | clint- | I have my 1024x768 now |
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| 21:35.46 | stew | clint-: and how bad does that look on your 1280x800 lcd? |
| 21:36.02 | clint- | after :) |
| 21:36.16 | ma3x | stew got a new one |
| 21:36.17 | clint- | oh.. I can go higher.. it had higher settings. I just don't want to blow nothin :P |
| 21:36.27 | ma3x | (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1024x768" 94.50 1024 1072 1168 1376 768 769 772 808 +hsync +vsync |
| 21:36.35 | clint- | I'm fine and happy with 1024x768 :P |
| 21:36.36 | ma3x | stew how can I use that one 94.50? |
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| 21:37.19 | ma3x | this is killing me |
| 21:37.31 | ma3x | 3 hrs for a bloody damn monitor |
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| 21:37.44 | ma3x | im gonna dispose it tomorrow |
| 21:38.04 | clint- | ma3x: |
| 21:38.08 | stew | ma3x: just be happy at 85 |
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| 21:38.27 | clint- | <-- 2 months of trying to get higher resolution other than 800x600 |
| 21:38.44 | ma3x | stew it's blinking |
| 21:39.08 | cryptom | hi all, what should I put in /etc/environment (LC_* vars) to have all menus in englich, but to be able to write german "umlaute" (öäü)? |
| 21:39.25 | ma3x | if the monitor supports 100, why can't linux display 100? |
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| 21:40.17 | POVaddct | ma3x: maybe the DAC of the gfx card can't handle the frequency, and window$ just overclocks it |
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| 21:41.00 | ma3x | can't linux overclock it too? |
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| 21:41.10 | clint- | macbar: |
| 21:41.13 | clint- | ma3x: |
| 21:41.15 | POVaddct | ma3x: don't overclock. period. |
| 21:41.23 | clint- | Manually.. its a biatch. but takes patience |
| 21:41.38 | valdyn_ | cryptom: en_US.UTF-8 can display about any character you might ever need |
| 21:41.41 | stew | clint-: you know how to manually overclock a dac? |
| 21:42.04 | valdyn_ | cryptom: but use dpkg-reconfigure locales for this and /msg dpkg keymap for your keyboard |
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| 21:42.29 | POVaddct | stew: some X driver support DAC overclocking IIRC. but it is a bad idea anyway. |
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| 21:42.34 | stew | hmm i somhow i lost my BitchX quit message /ignore along the way |
| 21:42.35 | clint- | I'm going to get soda and get ready for College |
| 21:42.54 | clint- | hey stew. that dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 saved my life |
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| 21:43.36 | asg | stew: I just trained my brain to filter them out after all these years. |
| 21:43.40 | xerophyte | what is the good torrent software |
| 21:43.43 | albo | how can i get the exact install of all packages so i can replicate that on another system |
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| 21:43.55 | asg | albo: /msg dpkg reinstall |
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| 21:44.20 | smcavoy | albo: dpkg --get-selections > filename |
| 21:44.22 | cryptom | valdyn_, hmm, i tried, but i cannot type äöü then (in the terminal) |
| 21:44.36 | valdyn_ | cryptom: /msg dpkg keymap |
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| 21:49.43 | clint- | thank you steigweis |
| 21:49.45 | clint- | stew: * |
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| 21:50.24 | sandman | Xen runs windows, yes? |
| 21:50.29 | sandman | Sorry wrongchan |
| 21:50.57 | asg | sandman: there was experimental support once but no longer. |
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| 21:53.14 | sandman | Does each instance of vserver get its own IP address? |
| 21:53.28 | TheCount | sandman: yes |
| 21:53.42 | WoodyWoodpecker | Does someone use bind9 with the logging statements in the configs ? |
| 21:53.43 | TheCount | sandman: xen has legal problems wrt windows support, besides that, it works |
| 21:53.51 | sandman | I can run vncservers on it and connect to them then, yes? |
| 21:53.57 | sandman | TheCount: Really? |
| 21:54.06 | WoodyWoodpecker | As soon as I put the logging statements in I can not connect via rndc any more |
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| 21:54.35 | TheCount | sandman: yes, albeit this might not be the best way to go. depends on your application. XDCMP might be feasible as well |
| 21:54.38 | bl0b | Question: How can I kick a user from the server? I killed all his processes displayed by <b>ps aux</b> but he is still showing up with <b>who</b> but not with <b>w</b>. Any ideas? TIA |
| 21:54.43 | TheCount | sandman: yes, really. |
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| 21:54.51 | sandman | TheCount: Does XDCMP kinda operate like a terminal server? |
| 21:54.53 | WoodyWoodpecker | These statements belong in the /etc/bin/named.conf.options |
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| 21:55.00 | TheCount | sandman: yes. |
| 21:55.02 | beardy | bl0b: this is not the interweb |
| 21:55.05 | sandman | TheCount: Like can I have a login screen when someone connects, then once they connect they will get their respective desktop? |
| 21:55.11 | stew | WoodyWoodpecker: ask #dns |
| 21:55.15 | sandman | TheCount: And many people can be connected at the same time |
| 21:55.16 | TheCount | sandman: perhaps you want to have a look at the LTSP, Linux Terminal Server Project |
| 21:55.26 | WoodyWoodpecker | stew: thx |
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| 21:55.39 | sandman | TheCount: Perhaps. |
| 21:55.43 | TheCount | sandman: yes, that's what XDCMP about |
| 21:55.46 | bl0b | beardy: Maybe I missunderstood the opening lines of the channel? |
| 21:56.02 | TheCount | sandman: been there for a few decades ;) with LBX it gets even better to use |
| 21:56.08 | beardy | bl0b: which were? |
| 21:56.12 | cowlover | hello all, does the debian installation program give you the option to format / partition your hard disk drives before installation or do you have to use another program to do so? |
| 21:56.17 | TheCount | sandman: slightly different than the RDP of windows, thou |
| 21:56.29 | siezer | cow yes there is a screen in the installer |
| 21:56.38 | TheCount | sandman: and if you're in a commercial environment, you might want to consider VMware GSX/ESX server as well. |
| 21:56.41 | adoom | hey guys, I'm trying to compile a custom iptables package (from unstable) with the patch from http://l7-filter.sourceforge.net/. the patch requires that you reference some patched kernel sources. the debian package references it's included 2.6.12 kernel sources. what's the proper way to have it use my own kernel sources? |
| 21:56.48 | bl0b | beardy: [...] ask and we will try our best to answer it. [...] |
| 21:56.54 | beardy | bl0b: (what I mean is, this is irc, html doesn't work in irc clients (thank god) |
| 21:57.04 | beardy | ) |
| 21:57.10 | bl0b | beardy: lol, for sure :) |
| 21:57.13 | sandman | TheCount: Microsoft really pisses me off. |
| 21:57.13 | stew | cowlover: if gives you several automatic options, or lets you do it manually |
| 21:57.15 | cowlover | siezer : ta |
| 21:57.22 | TheCount | adoom: there should be an option for the configure-script/makefile wrt to kernel source directory |
| 21:57.48 | beardy | bl0b: Nothing wrong with your question otherwise. |
| 21:57.51 | TheCount | sandman: yes, sure, but sometimes you've got use cases which demand being able to provide microsoft compatibility. just wanted to give you options. |
| 21:58.07 | beardy | bl0b: If you do another ps aux | grep username, does anything show up? |
| 21:58.11 | sandman | Someday I'm just going to sneak up to Mr. Gates and kick him so hard his grandchildren will feel it |
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| 21:58.23 | sandman | TheCount: Yeah. |
| 21:58.36 | TheCount | sandman: ... soon, economy will collapse, and he'll make a very long face. |
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| 21:58.38 | bl0b | beardy: nothing. It is pts/0 I am afraid of. Is it different to pts/1++ ? |
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| 21:58.46 | TheCount | sandman: besides, he'll die anyway. problem solved. |
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| 21:58.59 | jair | guys, I did something interesting on a computer lab. |
| 21:59.02 | stew | bl0b: look at the slay package |
| 21:59.09 | bl0b | stew: thx |
| 21:59.21 | POVaddct | bl0b: pts/0 is just a pseudo tty like the other pts/* |
| 21:59.25 | TheCount | .o( sudo -u username kill -9 -1 )\ |
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| 22:00.17 | bl0b | thx all, I will go for it |
| 22:00.36 | jair | how can I make a 290 unallocated space on a linux dual boot windows machine to swap? |
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| 22:00.48 | jair | I did it one time but do not remember how |
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| 22:01.03 | jair | I have 290MB unallocated |
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| 22:01.22 | TheCount | jair: declare it as partition/logical drive if type swap and run mkswap on it, then add it to the fstab to have swapon add it on boot |
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| 22:02.08 | beardy | bl0b: No. The reason that the name still shows in who:s output may be that you killed his shell, and not HUP:ed it, and therefore it wasn't noticed that he "logged out", he is still considered logged in in /var/log/wtmp |
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| 22:02.37 | jair | TheBigfoot, the only things is this, I make a debian/win xp pro dual boot machine. |
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| 22:03.09 | jair | TheBigfoot, then I image the whole machine to copy it in the rest of the other computers, and the only part that was not copied was the swap. |
| 22:03.17 | jair | TheBigfoot, so I left it Unallocated |
| 22:03.41 | TheCount | TheBigfoot: dude, we're to big to be on this channel together, I think ;) |
| 22:03.42 | jair | TheBigfoot, but I knew that was a way to make it swap after I have a linux system running. |
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| 22:04.10 | LiquiDark | jair: consult the man pages for mkswap and swapon |
| 22:04.14 | jair | Sorry all the messages goes to TheCount |
| 22:04.17 | jair | hahaha |
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| 22:04.30 | demirpla | is kde broken in stable? |
| 22:04.32 | Squall | ellow |
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| 22:04.51 | jair | LiquiDark, so I think I will do that thanks. |
| 22:04.59 | beardy | dli: No? |
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| 22:05.07 | jair | TheCount, thnk you for your help. |
| 22:05.12 | Squall | can somebody tell me a simple cd player (music) software (for low end machines)? |
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| 22:05.27 | TheCount | jair: no problem ;) *g* |
| 22:05.39 | beardy | Squall: workbone, groovycd (if it's still packaged) cdcd (?) and others |
| 22:05.41 | cowlover | in the partition manager, it creates a primary partition of 7gb, i presume that is the boot partition correct? |
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| 22:06.03 | dusk | hm |
| 22:06.07 | dusk | about to give xchat the boot for irssi |
| 22:06.11 | stew | dli: not likely, why? |
| 22:06.14 | dli | how do I force apt to install packages, even if it has to remove conflicting packages |
| 22:06.22 | cowlover | dusk : good choice |
| 22:06.23 | stew | dli: what conflict? |
| 22:06.24 | dli | stew: I found I couldn't install k3b :( |
| 22:06.38 | beardy | dli: In stable, please give more information. |
| 22:06.39 | stew | dli: i'll bet you aren't running stable |
| 22:06.55 | dli | stew: k3b depends on kdelibs4 and kdelibs-data |
| 22:07.01 | Squall | beardy thx |
| 22:07.13 | dli | beardy: but kdelibs4 and kdelibs-data conflicting with each other |
| 22:07.36 | jair | TheCount, I will try to create the swap image right now. if I get stuck can you help me. |
| 22:07.40 | stew | !conflicts kdelibs-data stable |
| 22:07.49 | dpkg | kdelibs-data: kdelibs3 (<< 4:3.0.0), kdelibs3-cups (<< 4:3.0.0), kdetrayproxy (>= 0.2-1), kontour (<< 1:1.3.0) |
| 22:07.56 | stew | !conflicts kdelibs4 stable |
| 22:07.59 | dpkg | kdelibs4: kdelibs3 (<< 4:3.0.0), kdepim-libs (<< 4:3.0.0), kdetrayproxy (>= 0.2-1), libkmid (<< 4:3.0.0), libkmid-alsa (<< 4:3.0.0), kdeaccessibility (<< 3.3.0), kdeaddons (<< 4:3.3.0), kdeadmin (<< 4:3.3.0), kdeartwork (<< 4:3.3.0), kdebase (<< 4:3.3.0), kdebindings (<< 4:3.3.0), kdeedu (<< 4:3.3.0), kdegames (<< 4:3.3.0), kdegraphics (<< 4:3.3.0), kde-i18n (<< 4:3.3.0), kdemultimedia (<< 4:3.3.0), kdenetwork (<< 4:3.3.0), kdepim (<< ... |
| 22:07.59 | henk | Hi i fetched a cvs repository of wxwidgets, There is a ./debian directory in it. So i guess i should use dpkg-builddebs to make the package. However there is no debian/control file, but a debian/control.on file. I probably need some step to generate the real needed files from this. can anyone tell me what i need to do |
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| 22:08.15 | beardy | Squall: try 'apt-cache search player' or 'apt-cache search cdplayer' perhaps, or if you are using aptitude, browse around under Sound a bit. |
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| 22:08.36 | TheCount | jair: if I look at the screen then, I will :) |
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| 22:09.02 | Squall | beardy: there are a lot of them and it doesnt say what are the requirements, so i will go with your pick (i have to unplug the computer from the internet in 10mins :>) |
| 22:09.27 | stew | dli: what does "apt-cache policy kdelibs-data" say for Installed: and Candidate |
| 22:09.28 | beardy | Squall: If they are not for X, anything can run them. |
| 22:09.31 | dli | Squall, since you are asking for a player, probably you should try aplayer |
| 22:09.54 | beardy | Squall: Playing an audio cd does not require much at all, almost nothing. |
| 22:09.55 | Squall | beardy: ok will see |
| 22:10.00 | Squall | dli: ok |
| 22:10.14 | dli | stew: looks like removing the installed kdelibs-data allows kdelibs-data and kdelibs4 |
| 22:10.18 | Squall | im installing 10 programs then later i will see which is the best :> |
| 22:10.27 | stew | dli: you had kdelibs-data from testing installed |
| 22:11.10 | dli | stew: could be. no way, I can have apt remove the troubling packages auto? |
| 22:11.39 | dli | stew: apt installs from security.debian.org, very slow :( |
| 22:11.57 | th0ger | can anyone help with apt-get? |
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| 22:12.01 | stew | dli: you had kdelibs4 and kdelibs-data that were in conflict, in that case it should have removed kdelibs4 since it is older? and upgrade your kde to testing? |
| 22:12.02 | th0ger | I want to install Openoffice2 on sarge with apt-get. Ive added unstable mirrors in soursec.list and in etc/apt/preferences: Package: openoffice.org2, Pin: release a=unstable, Pin-Priority: 700. but when installing it says "selecting openoffice.org instead of openoffice.org2". What to do? |
| 22:12.13 | beardy | th0ger: Just ask please. |
| 22:12.21 | cowlover | hmmm, sarge installed the 2.4 kernel, do i just use apt to get 2.6 kernel? |
| 22:12.43 | Squall | dli: E: Ni mogoèe najti paketa aplayer |
| 22:12.47 | dli | stew: I will try to make it work in stable first :) |
| 22:12.50 | Squall | couldnt find aplayer :> |
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| 22:13.17 | stew | dli: do you have testing in your sources.list? |
| 22:13.25 | stew | dli: testing | etch |
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| 22:14.04 | dli | Squall, sorry, try ascd dcd tcd |
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| 22:14.17 | beardy | cowlover: Yes. And next time you install you can type linux26 to get a 2.6 kernel instead. |
| 22:14.17 | dli | stew: not right now |
| 22:14.25 | stew | dli: but you did at one time? |
| 22:14.30 | chaper | Has anyone else here run into problems with the debian-installer not recognizing the optical drive on a Thinkpad T43p? |
| 22:14.30 | dli | stew: yes |
| 22:14.37 | stew | dli: thats a bad idea |
| 22:14.44 | ed_ | shit |
| 22:14.46 | dli | stew: do I have to downgrade the whole system in order to get k3b? |
| 22:15.05 | ed_ | how can this in sed, if $i is a variable: sed -n $ip |
| 22:15.11 | stew | dli: manually remove pacakges and pray |
| 22:15.25 | dli | stew: that |
| 22:15.32 | cowlover | beardy : where do i type it in? |
| 22:15.51 | dli | stew: that's why I like gentoo better :( |
| 22:15.53 | stew | dli: what version does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" report? |
| 22:16.19 | dli | stew: 2.3.5-6 |
| 22:16.26 | ed_ | gottit, sed -n ${i}p |
| 22:16.35 | stew | dli: you are running testing then |
| 22:16.36 | beardy | cowlover: When you boot the installer, if you are going to install another machine sometime, read the help screens. In this installation, do as you said, apt-get install kernel-image-ofyourchoice |
| 22:16.56 | stew | dli: you are at least caught in limbo on a partially upgraded testing system until you finish upgrading to testing |
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| 22:17.19 | chaper | I guess I'll take that as a "no". |
| 22:17.30 | dli | stew: I will see whether I can get it in stable :( |
| 22:17.35 | stew | dli: you cannot |
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| 22:17.48 | dli | stew: can I get it in testing? |
| 22:17.56 | stew | dli: k3b? not right now |
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| 22:18.06 | stew | dli: it was removed for the 3.3->3.4 transition |
| 22:18.14 | beardy | chaper: Only 3 minutes. But, perhaps you will have more luck with google? |
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| 22:18.28 | stew | dli: you could upgrade to testing and grab the k3b package from unstable and install that manually, or reinstall stable |
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| 22:18.48 | dli | stew: that's interesting |
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| 22:19.17 | beardy | fucktardnight tonight? |
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| 22:19.32 | dli | stew: I will try downgrade first |
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| 22:20.06 | stew | dli: if you are going to try to run stable pacakges on testings libc6, please do not ask for support in this channel any longer |
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| 22:21.43 | blondie | hm |
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| 22:22.49 | cowlover | how 'stable' is 2.6? |
| 22:22.58 | zimnyx | very |
| 22:23.02 | stew | !kernel of instability |
| 22:23.02 | dpkg | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513>, or http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 (new 2.6 numbering scheme - proposal) |
| 22:23.23 | dli | stew: I got k3b from stable installed now |
| 22:23.27 | valdyn_ | cowlover: define stable |
| 22:23.30 | cowlover | stew: sweet, thanks |
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| 22:23.44 | cowlover | valdyn_ : hehe, it's all relative isn't it |
| 22:23.46 | stew | cowlover: although, for most people it is actually stable (including myself) |
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| 22:23.55 | adii | i've just installed etch with 2.6 and it occurs that kde ain't installed. apt-get install kde returns an error , how can i fix that ? |
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| 22:24.09 | valdyn_ | cowlover: thats not what i meant: 2.6 doesnt crash alot, but it changes alot |
| 22:24.22 | valdyn_ | cowlover: while 2.4 doesnt change alot and doesnt crash alot |
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| 22:25.00 | Pitchin_uk | abrotman: hello again |
| 22:25.04 | abrotman | hi |
| 22:25.09 | Pitchin_uk | l3m: evening |
| 22:25.10 | cowlover | valdyn_ : well i am not one that needs the bleeding edge kernel whenever it gets released. i pretty sure that it is stable enough for most people thou |
| 22:25.29 | Fietronic | is there any procedure for making sure you have the right NIC driver? |
| 22:25.44 | abrotman | does yours not work ? |
| 22:25.50 | Fietronic | a friend of mine was having issues with resolving shit and now he's having latency issues |
| 22:25.51 | valdyn_ | Fietronic: if some driver drives your nic then its the right one |
| 22:26.06 | beardy | Fietronic: if it works, it's the right one |
| 22:26.07 | Fietronic | valdyn_: i somehow seriously doubt that |
| 22:26.11 | Fietronic | o_O |
| 22:26.11 | valdyn_ | Fietronic: that doesnt sound like a driver issue |
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| 22:26.24 | Fietronic | o_O kay |
| 22:26.30 | stew | Fietronic: what nic do you have, what driver are you using? |
| 22:26.37 | valdyn_ | Fietronic: you wont find a driver that accidentely works for the wrong nic |
| 22:27.19 | Fietronic | stew: i dont know.. it was for a friend but now he's left... .sigh. |
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| 22:27.46 | Fietronic | srry |
| 22:27.49 | abrotman | stew: can you help me setup my video card .. i haven't ordered yet .. but can you help anyways :) |
| 22:28.11 | LiquiDark | I have a debian box I haven't turned on in a while. It has 2 network cards. When I try starting it up with either or neither network card plugged into Ethernet, it starts the DHCP client, sends out a DHCPDISCOVER packet, and hangs. The lights on my switch show continual traffic. Does anyone have a clue what might be wrong? |
| 22:28.18 | abrotman | Fietronic: yeah .. we need some info from the guy . like the NIC(from lspci) and the driver(from lsmod) |
| 22:28.22 | stew | !dpkg reconfigure abrotman |
| 22:28.26 | abrotman | !fix stew |
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| 22:28.58 | Fietronic | abrotman: ok thx, whenever he gets back i guess i'll figures that all out |
| 22:29.12 | Fietronic | he said he changed the driver and stopped having issues with dns but now he's having issues with latency |
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| 22:29.43 | stew | Fietronic: "lspci" will tell you what card it is |
| 22:29.48 | imex | I had setup Samba and worked from Linux to Windoze, but how about Windoze to Linux? anyone? |
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| 22:30.18 | stew | Fietronic: however in most cases you can just let the discover package load the correct driver for you |
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| 22:30.20 | abrotman | imex: samba |
| 22:30.21 | valdyn_ | imex: samba isnt involved in that direction, man smbmount |
| 22:30.30 | nikopol | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:30.33 | abrotman | isn't smbmount still part of the samba package ? |
| 22:30.41 | abrotman | !find smbmount |
| 22:30.49 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'smbmount' (5 of 45): (/usr/bin/smbmount) in otherosfs/smbfs ;; (/usr/share/samba/swat/help/manpages/smbmount.8.html) in net/swat ;; (/usr/share/doc/samba-doc/htmldocs/manpages/smbmount.8.html) in doc/samba-doc ;; (/usr/share/locale/tr/LC_MESSAGES/konq_smbmounterplugin.mo) in kde/kde-i18n-tr ;; (/usr/share/locale/ja/LC_MESSAGES/konq_smbmounterplugin.mo) in kde/kde-i18n-ja. |
| 22:30.51 | imex | k that's good info |
| 22:30.52 | abrotman | nikopol: colinux .. maybe ? |
| 22:30.57 | stew | nikopol: sure, just as long as the machine on bottom is being properly vented so it doesn't overheat |
| 22:31.05 | abrotman | imex: whoops .. my bad . use smbmount .. it's in smbfs package |
| 22:31.18 | abrotman | shows you how much i use smbmount :) |
| 22:31.33 | imex | abrotman : thanks i will look into that |
| 22:31.39 | imex | and just one more question |
| 22:31.40 | henk | nikopol, colinux |
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| 22:31.50 | abrotman | imex: no .. that's your limit for the day |
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| 22:32.02 | beardy | insert coin |
| 22:32.03 | nikopol | thanx guys |
| 22:32.11 | henk | nikopol, you need enough mem though |
| 22:32.15 | imex | i am using the admin account from the NT in the Linux box, would that cause a security problem? |
| 22:32.23 | imex | I mean with Samba |
| 22:32.26 | da9000 | anyone who's a DIFF guru, can you tell me if i'm blind, but when I do: diff -i file1 file2 and the files are identical yet the case differs, I still get output (instead of nothing, which means they're identical) |
| 22:32.39 | henk | nikopol, colinux uses it's own memory , windows looses the control over that mem |
| 22:32.58 | caphuso | da9000: probably spurious whitespace |
| 22:33.06 | stew | da9000: try adding a -w |
| 22:33.06 | nikopol | henk: i still control both linux and windows at the same time ? |
| 22:33.09 | da9000 | i think the same |
| 22:33.22 | da9000 | let me try |
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| 22:33.22 | da9000 | same thing guys :( -w -i |
| 22:33.23 | Sgi | imex: were you asking about mounting samba shares in linux? |
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| 22:33.59 | cowlover | is it possible to interupt the packages that are downloaded when installation a new system? |
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| 22:34.09 | SerajewelKS | is sshfs as fast as an NFS mount? |
| 22:34.17 | mike_sol | SerajewelKS, no |
| 22:34.22 | mike_sol | there's encryption overhead |
| 22:34.23 | caphuso | da9000: then it might be helpful to know what diff actually outputs |
| 22:34.30 | SerajewelKS | mike_sol: well, encryption aside |
| 22:34.51 | da9000 | caphuso: the offending lines |
| 22:34.53 | beardy | cowlover: Possible yes, but perhaps not healthy, why do you want to do that? |
| 22:34.55 | SerajewelKS | mike_sol: i'm temporarily moving my ogg collection to my server because my secondary hard disk is failing |
| 22:35.16 | mike_sol | SerajewelKS, i dont think it's as fast either way, nfs was designed specifcally to be a filesystem and ssh wasn't. if you've got shit failing use FTP, it's fast |
| 22:35.17 | caphuso | da9000: that's what it outputs? the string "the offending lines"? |
| 22:35.22 | SerajewelKS | mike_sol: so i want to unmount my hard disk and mount the remote copy on the same spot |
| 22:35.23 | mike_sol | not secure mind you |
| 22:35.28 | mike_sol | ohh |
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| 22:35.31 | SerajewelKS | mike_sol: can't mount ftp afaik =) |
| 22:35.37 | da9000 | caphuso: the problims is that I'm diffing 2 files which contain the output of: find path -print0 |xargs -0 -n1 md5sum >file ... of course the files being on FAT32 partitions are mixed case (depending on the mount flags, argg) |
| 22:35.49 | mike_sol | no, i didnt know you needed to mount it. well if time is of the essence, nfs will be faster |
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| 22:36.02 | mike_sol | or you could put the drive in the freezer for a couple hours |
| 22:36.07 | da9000 | oh wait |
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| 22:36.15 | srbaker | hey |
| 22:36.17 | foo | I cannot install ipkungfu for some reason.. but I've done it before on one of my debian boxes, any ideas? |
| 22:36.18 | cowlover | beardy : well it's downloading stuff like main binutils, main bison and security updates, which i didn't select ;) |
| 22:36.19 | bbrazil | da9000: how about uppercasing both with tr? |
| 22:36.21 | srbaker | anyone know where i can find some svnserve initscripts? |
| 22:36.22 | SerajewelKS | mike_sol: problem is, i don't have a lot of experience (read: none at all) with an NFS server. is there a quick tutorial you know of on how to configure an NFS server and client on debian? |
| 22:36.27 | foo | I have the marillat sources... Is there a contrib? |
| 22:36.29 | da9000 | caphuso: i know the prob |
| 22:36.32 | da9000 | bbrazil: that's my prob |
| 22:36.35 | Gnea | da9000: what's wrong with: find path -print0 -exec md5sum {} \; ? |
| 22:36.38 | da9000 | bbrazil: how can i do that with tr ? |
| 22:36.44 | SerajewelKS | mike_sol: sshfs popped to mind because it's simple and requires zero configuration on both ends (aside from the fuse module on the client) |
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| 22:36.45 | mike_sol | SerajewelKS, all you need is 'nfs-user-server' installed and a line in /etc/exports |
| 22:36.48 | bbrazil | da9000: tr a-z A-Z |
| 22:36.57 | caphuso | tr '[:lower:]' '[:upper:]' |
| 22:36.58 | da9000 | Gnea: nothing i guess, just didn't know it was possible |
| 22:37.00 | mike_sol | SerajewelKS, then you go mount -t nfs server:/share /mountpoint |
| 22:37.01 | da9000 | bbrazil: ok, let me try, thanks |
| 22:37.11 | cowlover | beardy : and i choose a slow mirror so it's taking ages :( |
| 22:37.20 | mike_sol | SerajewelKS, but if sshfs is working, why bother... |
| 22:37.27 | SerajewelKS | mike_sol: actually i have run an NFS server once, but it was a hack job. i tried sshfs there too, but since / was mounted ro fuse didn't want to work. |
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| 22:37.44 | valdyn_ | cowlover: you can interrupt that at any time |
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| 22:38.01 | cowlover | valdyn_ : how? |
| 22:38.12 | beardy | cowlover: Those sounds like security updates, and I suggest you let them download, but it's up to you. |
| 22:38.13 | SerajewelKS | mike_sol: and this is to a box on the same switch, so network efficiency isn't a problem.. but i don't know how well ssh copes with "open this file, seek 1mb into it and hand me the next 1024 bytes" |
| 22:38.20 | valdyn_ | cowlover: you didnt say which program you are using for that |
| 22:38.31 | cowlover | valdyn_ : the installer |
| 22:38.40 | rking | is it possible to make the console have a smaller font? what would be awesome is getting Nx160, so I could use screen to put two standard widths side-by-side |
| 22:38.49 | SerajewelKS | mike_sol: i.e. can ssh handle seeking in files, or does it return a file start-to-end? |
| 22:38.50 | valdyn_ | cowlover: ops, i dont know then |
| 22:38.52 | cowlover | ctrl + c / x or z doesn't do anything |
| 22:38.58 | cowlover | beardy : do you know how? |
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| 22:39.38 | mike_sol | SerajewelKS, i'm not certain. i assume sshfs uses something like sftp, meaning it might send a command like FTP does saying 'resume sending from byte X for Y bytes' but i seriously doubt it's as efficient as NFS. remember, nfs has been in use for a loooong time. |
| 22:39.54 | beardy | cowlover: If Ctrl-C doesn't work, no. (You probably can switch to another terminal and kill the thing that downloads, but.. if you are not paying per minute, why not wait? |
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| 22:40.23 | SerajewelKS | mike_sol: true... i dunno, i guess i'm looking for something simple and secure (as far as authentication goes... since it's on my switch i don't care about stream encryption, but i don't want random people using my mount) |
| 22:40.31 | cowlover | because it will take another half hour ;) |
| 22:40.46 | beardy | cowlover: That is not time. Patience. |
| 22:40.55 | beardy | s/not/no |
| 22:41.05 | mike_sol | SerajewelKS, nfs can do auth via kerberos and a couple other methods or you can be a lazy sack of s... like i am at home and just use IPs and trust your kids don't know how to spoof em |
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| 22:41.36 | cowlover | yea, maybe your right |
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| 22:42.09 | mike_sol | looks like this soulreaper guy cant keep it up ;) |
| 22:42.11 | cowlover | i would probably need perl , cpp and the security updates anyway |
| 22:42.16 | beardy | cowlover: Have a cup of coffee or what you like to drink and listen to some music or something :) |
| 22:42.19 | iostream | Hi.. Where can I find a list of mainsboards that have good Linux support? |
| 22:42.23 | cowlover | probably an old spambot |
| 22:42.25 | SerajewelKS | mike_sol: heh well the switch is uplinked to my university switch, so technically anyone else with an NFS client can set their IP to a static one on my subnet and go to town |
| 22:42.40 | SerajewelKS | mike_sol: but everyone on my side of the router is a windoze user afaik |
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| 22:43.24 | SerajewelKS | mike_sol: suppose i could just tell the server that the share is read-only... i don't care if anyone gets my music as long as they don't go writing crap |
| 22:43.58 | SerajewelKS | mike_sol: and specifically why would you recommend the userspace nfs server over the kernelspace one? |
| 22:44.03 | mike_sol | SerajewelKS, finding an nfs client for windows isn't that easy either, unless they have Server and install services for unix. |
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| 22:44.24 | mike_sol | SerajewelKS, as for the userspace vs kernel, i reccommended it cause your drive is dying and it might take less time to set up. i use the kernel one,as it's faster |
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| 22:44.44 | mike_sol | i know if my mp3s were on the line i wouldnt be screwing with authentication, id be moving em ASAP |
| 22:44.46 | SerajewelKS | mike_sol: well i have my crap *on* the server |
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| 22:45.00 | SerajewelKS | mike_sol: so it's already backed up |
| 22:45.05 | mike_sol | oh, never mind then :D |
| 22:45.14 | SerajewelKS | mike_sol: i just want to be able to play my music *from* the server while my drive goes back to Fry's =) |
| 22:45.37 | SerajewelKS | mike_sol: and may i take this moment to say that linux rocks, because on windows this kind of thing would be a bitch to do |
| 22:46.03 | TheCount | .o( mailserver install, try number nine ) |
| 22:46.29 | henk | Hi i fetched a cvs repository of wxwidgets, There is a ./debian directory in it. So i guess i should use dpkg-builddebs to make the package. However there is no debian/control file, but a debian/control.on file. I probably need some step to generate the real needed files from this. can anyone tell me what i need to do |
| 22:46.35 | imex | thanks all back later |
| 22:46.53 | TheCount | apt-get moo |
| 22:47.10 | mike_sol | SerajewelKS, well it's not too much worse on windows. anyway you can set up kerberos and such if you like, but seeing as how my initial view was wrong (i thought you needed to back up over the lan STAT), why not go with sshfs after all |
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| 22:48.15 | SerajewelKS | mike_sol: sshfs is working, so i guess i'll go with that until i get tired of mounting it every boot |
| 22:48.32 | SerajewelKS | mike_sol: how would one go about mounting a remote volume on a folder on windows? =/ |
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| 22:49.23 | groogs | ok, cron is running something right now that's only suppoed to run at 2:40am ... and about 5 minutes ago, it ran something that's only supposed to run at 12:07am (currently 5:47pm) ..... |
| 22:49.34 | g8se | I've just upgraded a box to Sarge, and the mysql server to 4.1 from a 4.0 backport. Now running 'sudo mysqldump database' isn't working. It's not using the /root/.my.cnf file for authentication, because I'm getting told 'Access denied' |
| 22:49.46 | groogs | how can i figure out why that's happening? |
| 22:49.46 | TheCount | groogs: what's the time on the machine? and what cron daemon? |
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| 22:49.51 | groogs | 5.47pm |
| 22:49.56 | g8se | Anyone got any experience with mysqldump behaving like that? |
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| 22:50.10 | TheCount | groogs: correct time zone? |
| 22:50.19 | SerajewelKS | g8se: afaik, sudo doesn't set $HOME |
| 22:50.21 | bullweivelz | can someone help me with this permissions question. Name 5 possible characters in the permissions field? Read – r Write - w Execute – x Sticky Bit is set – t im not sure what this one goes to though: s |
| 22:50.21 | TheCount | groogs: considered installing ntpdate and ntp-simple? |
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| 22:50.25 | groogs | TheCount: hte one provided with the "cron" package |
| 22:50.29 | valdyn_ | groogs: and you have anacron installed? |
| 22:50.29 | SerajewelKS | g8se: correct me if i'm wrong |
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| 22:50.47 | g8se | SerajewelKS: I'll try su, just a moment |
| 22:50.48 | groogs | valdyn_: no |
| 22:51.03 | groogs | TheCount: i think i actually have those (and they don't work) |
| 22:51.15 | groogs | (actually I've never been able to get ntp stuff to work on ANY of my debian systems) |
| 22:51.16 | antgel | !homework |
| 22:51.16 | dpkg | Given at strip joint, and the time for strip joint is during a recession. |
| 22:51.31 | antgel | dpkg: call that a factoid |
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| 22:51.42 | g8se | SerajewelKS: Looks like you're right, I get a different error now, but one that is with Lock tables. Ta |
| 22:52.11 | SerajewelKS | g8se: if you wanna check, su -c sh echo '$HOME' |
| 22:52.13 | SerajewelKS | err |
| 22:52.18 | SerajewelKS | g8se: su sh -c echo '$HOME' |
| 22:52.24 | SerajewelKS | ARG |
| 22:52.28 | SerajewelKS | g8se: s/su/sudo/ |
| 22:52.51 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 22:52.52 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. |
| 22:52.54 | g8se | SerajewelKS: Yes, your right, $HOME is not set by sudo |
| 22:53.07 | g8se | Which is why the .my.cnf file wasn't being read |
| 22:53.14 | blame | Hello. What would be the best VPN solution for small sized network based on the IPSec protocol? |
| 22:53.48 | SerajewelKS | g8se: see sudo manpage, -H |
| 22:53.59 | g8se | SerajewelKS: Thanks! |
| 22:53.59 | SerajewelKS | g8se: sudo -H sh -c echo '$HOME' |
| 22:54.35 | SerajewelKS | g8se: it mentions set_home in sudoers.. might be worth checking that out too |
| 22:54.46 | g8se | SerajewelKS: Thanks for putting me on the right track. Looks like the rest of the problem is some permission settings in the mysql server, which I'll be ok to sort out |
| 22:54.57 | iostream | Hi.. Where can I find a list of mainsboards that have good Linux support? |
| 22:55.00 | SerajewelKS | g8se: np, good luck =) |
| 22:55.35 | dondelelcaro | iostream: google; pretty much all of the big manufacturers do; the main question is the chips that are on the board. |
| 22:55.41 | SerajewelKS | is there a quick-and-dirty way to replace all instances of one regex match in a file with a string? (i think sed does this, but i don't know sed :S) |
| 22:55.55 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: perl -pi -e 's/foo/bar/g' foofile |
| 22:55.58 | vulture | SerajewelKS: Yes, use sed. |
| 22:56.06 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: well perl was going to be my other option ;) |
| 22:56.17 | groogs | so even in webmin it only shows this process once, and listed to run at only one time .. so i'm pretty much positive it's not a problem with my crontab configuration. i have a (probably related) problem where when I have > /dev/null on a cron job, it causes /USR/BIN/CRON processes to sit around after the job is done, and they actually run ... so after a couple days, I get a bunch of instances of cron running the same events at the same |
| 22:56.17 | groogs | time (i'll get 12 emails at once) before my system grinds to a halt trying to do 20 rsync backups at the same time |
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| 22:56.32 | iostream | dondelelcaro: hmm okay, I have been on google, but it's all so technical ;P ALSA has a nice list which clearly explains what soundcards to buy :) |
| 22:56.34 | TheCount | woooow, I'm reeeeally being stupid today. |
| 22:56.43 | myren | man, if its not one package hell its another. this dbus 0.50 transition is murder. |
| 22:56.47 | typewriter | Theres a pkg i want on testing... is there anyway to just get that one pkg? but still keep everything else on stable? |
| 22:56.52 | g8se | SerajewelKS: sed -e 's/foo/bar/g' < myfile >myfile.new |
| 22:56.58 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: hey did you get that blootbot patch? |
| 22:57.00 | stew | SerajewelKS: sed -i 's/foo/bar/g' foofile |
| 22:57.10 | groogs | typewriter: google for "apt-pinning" |
| 22:57.23 | vulture | stew: wouldn't that be sed -ie 's/foo/bar/g' foofile |
| 22:57.24 | SerajewelKS | g8se, stew: thanks |
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| 22:57.30 | TheCount | .o( mailserver install, try number ten ) |
| 22:57.34 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: which one? |
| 22:57.40 | stew | vulture: the -e is optional these days |
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| 22:58.02 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: the one that takes care of SQL disconnection? |
| 22:58.08 | bakon | I have a question what book would you say would be better for a first time debian user "GNU/Linux Desktop Survival Guide" OR "Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 Bible" |
| 22:58.16 | bakon | first time linux user* |
| 22:58.28 | blondie | can't tell much from just the titles ;) |
| 22:58.34 | SerajewelKS | bakon: #debian =) |
| 22:58.34 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: yes, it's the first few lines of the DB code in http://rzlab.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/branches/dpkg_trunk/?root=Blootbot |
| 22:58.42 | tarzeau | bakon: you have installed it already and are using it since how many days/weeks? |
| 22:58.43 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 22:58.53 | typewriter | groogs: awesome, does this 'mixing' of pkg cause unstability? for instance what if a stable pkg depends on pkg X and i have it set to testing... |
| 22:58.59 | TheCount | bakon: have a look inside each of them, and take the one which feels better to you :) |
| 22:59.01 | tarzeau | bakon: debian user or linux user? |
| 22:59.04 | bakon | Sera: but i cant alway be bothering you guys for really stupid questions like where did my program install to heh |
| 22:59.09 | bakon | tarz: both |
| 22:59.38 | groogs | typewriter: well, it definately can. as soon as you start mixing you're running a configuration that probably no one else is |
| 23:00.05 | stew | typewriter: DONT mix stable and testing |
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| 23:00.07 | bakon | thecount: no stores around me sell them and one is a PDf and the other is stocked by my book stores so i cant read either |
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| 23:00.18 | bakon | isn't* |
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| 23:00.29 | bakon | and both are $40 |
| 23:00.41 | SerajewelKS | bakon: i'd go with the hard copy |
| 23:00.50 | SerajewelKS | bakon: PDFs means you've gotta have a PC nearby to read |
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| 23:00.58 | bakon | or print |
| 23:01.00 | antgel | bakon: i leafed through madduck's book in the shop today. looked fucking great. would have bought it but it's 33% cheaper online |
| 23:01.09 | bakon | im looking for one that would make the learning curve a little less severe |
| 23:01.18 | gravity | The Debian Bible is pretty much a stock linux distro book. Good for newbies. |
| 23:01.22 | bakon | ant: do you have the name of the book? |
| 23:01.27 | gravity | madduck's book looks good for advanced users |
| 23:01.32 | typewriter | :/ but i would really like wordpress (only available on testing) and testing pkgs of clamav-*, i am checking the pkg page for wordpress, it doesn't seem to have a dependency on a specific version, so i guess it won't cause problems and just use my stable apache pkg |
| 23:01.36 | dondelelcaro | bakon: "The Debian System" |
| 23:01.36 | antgel | bakon: the debian system |
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| 23:01.43 | SerajewelKS | stew: does sed accept different regex delimiters like perl? e.g. sed -e 's#/path#/some/other/path#' ? |
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| 23:02.22 | antgel | gravity: looks *really* good. we'll buy it when we have a budget. have just splashed out on samba, plone, zope books |
| 23:02.26 | dondelelcaro | gravity: the few chapters I've read are fairly well written; it's also a lot broader than the bible. |
| 23:02.36 | groogs | typewriter: a lot of stuff is fairly standalone. wordpress for example, probably doesnt even really have dependencies, or maybe 'webserver' and 'php4' (or whatever it uses) .. thats pretty generic |
| 23:02.42 | stew | SerajewelKS: yes |
| 23:02.43 | gravity | antgel: Very cool |
| 23:02.50 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Yeah, the bible is... meh |
| 23:02.52 | gravity | Not for me |
| 23:03.03 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Did you work on the Bible at all? |
| 23:03.08 | bakon | thanks guys for the help appreciate it |
| 23:03.35 | bakon | you can get the debian system AND bible for $56 |
| 23:03.39 | groogs | typewriter: for the most part if a package requires a specific version of a library, it will have that version specified.. and if that version is only in testing but used by lots of other installed packages, thats where you need to be more cautious. |
| 23:03.40 | bakon | on amazon just a FYI |
| 23:03.52 | typewriter | yea |
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| 23:04.02 | stew | SerajewelKS: read the manpage, you can also do something like -i.bak to create foofile.bak as an exact copy of foofile before the replacement if you are unsure of your regex |
| 23:04.04 | antgel | gravity: i consider myself a realatively advanced user and thought it would be 10% useful. actually it was more like i knew 10% of the content :) |
| 23:04.05 | gravity | Heh, I could borrow a copy of the bible from one of the authors :-) |
| 23:04.27 | dondelelcaro | gravity: no, haven't read it |
| 23:04.37 | paxmaster | how could i make Macos server Ldap work with linux |
| 23:04.40 | beardy | !tell bakon -about reference |
| 23:04.47 | beardy | in case someone hasn't already.. |
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| 23:04.53 | dondelelcaro | paxmaster: with pam_ldap or similar. |
| 23:05.15 | bakon | thanks beardy i didnt know about that |
| 23:05.43 | jhujhiti | what happens to the device nodes when i hotswap a drive? i took out /dev/sda and i need to add the disk again, but last time i did this it added it as a new device node instead of recycling the old one. how do i make it recycle? |
| 23:05.52 | jhujhiti | i'm running 2.6 |
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| 23:06.12 | foo | I ssh'd into my server and the key rate is slow when I hold down a key, how can I increase this? |
| 23:06.19 | SerajewelKS | stew: the manpage doesn't answer this one =) does sed support look-aheads like in perl? |
| 23:06.24 | antgel | jhujhiti: perhaps a question for #linux |
| 23:06.47 | beardy | bakon: I suggest you read it, and learn to use a shell, by doing. Ask questions if you get stuck. |
| 23:06.48 | stew | SerajewelKS: i don't know, you could always just use perl |
| 23:06.53 | SerajewelKS | jhujhiti: it should recycle it |
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| 23:07.09 | SerajewelKS | jhujhiti: only reason it wouldn't is if it didn't detect the drive being removed, or something else is still using /dev/sda (afaik) |
| 23:07.10 | jhujhiti | SerajewelKS, oh? hmm. i guess i'll see. |
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| 23:07.45 | spundun | hi all.. is there a way to check what package owns a particular file? |
| 23:07.45 | jhujhiti | SerajewelKS, how to i make sure nothing is using it? |
| 23:07.54 | jhujhiti | hurr this time i forgot to unmount /boot. wonderful. |
| 23:08.03 | typewriter | for sources.list, i added testing to it, do i need to also add a line for updates for testing like... deb http://security.debian.org testing/updates main contrib non-free ? |
| 23:08.18 | beardy | !apt-file |
| 23:08.19 | dpkg | from memory, apt-file is util used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also auto-apt and pdo, or use apt-file: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename |
| 23:08.33 | antgel | bakon: beardy is right. also /msg dpkg unix lessons (if you're new to linux). also (and a lot of people don't get this), try to learn how to do things the Debian Way rather than reading generic linux things on the web. by all means read and absorb the generic stuff, but be aware that debian provides ways to make many tasks easier, and keep you from hosing your system |
| 23:08.56 | jhujhiti | hmm, klogd is using /boot/System.map. |
| 23:08.58 | bakon | antgel: thanks ill give that a look |
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| 23:09.01 | spundun | beardy: thanks a lot |
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| 23:09.16 | beardy | spundun: no problem |
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| 23:10.35 | nikopol | what are the differences b/w zimage and bzimage (except size) ? |
| 23:11.11 | jhujhiti | nikopol: zimage is gzipped and bzimage is bzipped. that's the only difference afaik |
| 23:11.53 | nikopol | i heard that the name bzimage has nothing to do with bzip |
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| 23:12.06 | jhujhiti | I could be wrong. |
| 23:12.27 | beardy | I heard that too.. when I assumed wrong sometime. |
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| 23:13.00 | gary_ | is it possible to install debian on a computer with a hard drive that is /dev/hdb or hdc ? |
| 23:13.05 | gary_ | or does it have to be the master drive? |
| 23:13.09 | dondelelcaro | gary_: if those hard drives will boot, yes. |
| 23:13.10 | cowlover | how can i change the server that apt uses? |
| 23:13.10 | xai | Anyone know what CUPS driver to use for "lexmark 4227 plus" printer? |
| 23:13.21 | antgel | gary_: of course. /msg dpkg ig |
| 23:13.24 | jhujhiti | gary_: of course it will work like that. what do you think this is, windows? =x |
| 23:13.33 | gary_ | jhujhiti: lol :D |
| 23:13.35 | gary_ | thanks guys |
| 23:13.47 | SquareRt | daft and not particularly debian related (except that I'll be using it on a debian machine) question, but can you get external firewire enclosures that let you connect up a SCSI disk? |
| 23:14.06 | dondelelcaro | SquareRt: probably, but I haven't seen them in quite some time |
| 23:14.11 | dondelelcaro | SquareRt: most of them tend to be IDE. |
| 23:14.11 | jhujhiti | SquareRt: i've seen one or two, but don't ask me where |
| 23:14.31 | dondelelcaro | you'd probably be more likely to find scsi->firewire stuff. |
| 23:14.45 | beardy | !bzimage |
| 23:14.45 | dpkg | well, bzimage is the same as zImage but allows compressed images to be larger than 512KB. bzImage is NOT compressed w/ bzip2. bzImage == big zImage. |
| 23:14.50 | beardy | there |
| 23:14.50 | SquareRt | hmm, it just seems a backwards step, using firewire (a SCSI-inspired protocol) with IDE disks |
| 23:14.59 | dondelelcaro | http://www.pcconnection.com/ProductDetail?sku=470258&SourceID=k22350 |
| 23:15.00 | jhujhiti | beardy: ah. that makes sense =p |
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| 23:15.27 | jhujhiti | SquareRt: backwards yes. cheap yes. i think you see where i'm going with this (firewire is for consumer stuff) |
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| 23:15.42 | SquareRt | dondelelcaro: hmm, I've seen devices for making scsi devices work on firewire, but it's just a converter... which means I need to carry around a disk box, power lead, converter, terminator, firewire lead... |
| 23:15.47 | dondelelcaro | SquareRt: http://www.pcconnection.com/ProductDetail?sku=5142585&SourceID=k22350 |
| 23:15.56 | cowlover | where is sources.list located? |
| 23:16.01 | dondelelcaro | cowlover: usually /etc/apt/ |
| 23:16.07 | cowlover | ta |
| 23:16.20 | SquareRt | dondelelcaro: looking... |
| 23:16.27 | beardy | cowlover: /etc/apt/sources.list, you can also try 'locate sources.list' |
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| 23:16.44 | SquareRt | jhujhiti: hmm... it's a shame, because firewire is becoming standard on stuff and it's pretty common to be able to find a firewire 400 port at least |
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| 23:17.12 | marcelo | e aó |
| 23:17.19 | SquareRt | the debian machines in the CS lab have NFS home dirs on a solaris server with a whopping 20M quota |
| 23:17.33 | SquareRt | and I don't trust NAND flash devices etc |
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| 23:17.58 | SquareRt | dondelelcaro: not bad... any chance of a UK supplier (I always forget that bit) |
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| 23:18.06 | cowlover | what is the command to choose the possible download mirrors used? |
| 23:18.11 | beardy | !br |
| 23:18.11 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 23:18.14 | antgel | SquareRt: but you trust something with moving parts |
| 23:18.18 | stew | cowlover: apt-setup |
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| 23:18.31 | cowlover | stew: ta, apt-config didn't seem right :) |
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| 23:19.24 | SquareRt | antgel: in the sense that I have scsi disk that work and are donkeys years old... i don't like the idea of keeping my data on very expensive (with large sizes) flash sticks that wear out |
| 23:19.43 | SquareRt | well, they all wear out, but I'm sure flash wears out quicker (hence why they have to use wear-levelling) |
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| 23:20.13 | antgel | SquareRt: your data must be very valuable. i say go the easy way and make backups |
| 23:20.45 | SerajewelKS | lilo spits out a bunch of crap "/proc/misc: No entry for device-mapper found" and "Incompatible libdevmapper 1.01.04 (2005-08-02)(compat) and kernel driver" (among other things) when i run it. is this normal on testing? |
| 23:20.55 | SerajewelKS | it looks like it still installed itself to the MBR fine |
| 23:21.20 | SerajewelKS | but i'm a bit wary of rebooting since it just said all that crap |
| 23:21.28 | jhujhiti | neat the box locked up when i put the new disk in and activated it. |
| 23:21.54 | beardy | SerajewelKS: Just have a boot/rescuefloppy or livecd near you. |
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| 23:22.12 | SerajewelKS | beardy: well that aside... is this a normal testing problem? :> |
| 23:22.12 | SquareRt | antgel: it's more that seeing "pen drives" sticking out of machines liable to snap off any second makes me squirm |
| 23:22.22 | beardy | SerajewelKS: I don't know. |
| 23:22.44 | SquareRt | (a friend of mine has a mac with cubase... the machine got knocked and now the dongle still works... but it's at 45 degrees to the USB connector |
| 23:22.49 | beardy | SerajewelKS: I'd check the bts first at least. |
| 23:22.56 | antgel | SquareRt: at this point my attempt to convince you of the pros ends. |
| 23:22.56 | SquareRt | so it's very much "don't breathe on it too hard") |
| 23:23.10 | SquareRt | antgel: ? |
| 23:23.43 | antgel | SquareRt: if you want to lug about a hard drive, go for it |
| 23:23.47 | SquareRt | (well that's the backup gone. boom boom chish.) |
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| 23:23.57 | antgel | !drumroll SquareRt |
| 23:23.59 | SquareRt | antgel: well, I already have to lug a rucksack and text books, why not? |
| 23:24.23 | antgel | SquareRt: you're right. don't forget the kitchen sink as well :) |
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| 23:24.48 | antgel | SquareRt: you're logic is: i'm carrying stuff, so i may as well carry more. |
| 23:24.58 | beardy | and the cow, and food for it, if you drink milk |
| 23:24.58 | antgel | s/you're/your |
| 23:25.02 | phogg | antgel: It works well up to a point. |
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| 23:25.50 | Ronin | oh ya, that bitter beers aging nicely |
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| 23:25.59 | thingfish | yum |
| 23:26.09 | thingfish | home brew? |
| 23:26.12 | SquareRt | antgel: I think it's quite funny that the Ultra320 scsi firewire enclosure is cheaper than the IDE one |
| 23:26.21 | SquareRt | (IDE-firewire)* |
| 23:26.25 | Ronin | thingfish: yes sir :) |
| 23:26.31 | thingfish | Ronin: sweet. |
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| 23:26.37 | codered | hi |
| 23:26.57 | antgel | SquareRt: it needs to be to appeal to the kind of people who will buy it. now i'm done :) |
| 23:27.05 | codered | does it exist a "not dependencies checking" options in dpkg? |
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| 23:27.49 | antgel | codered: are you trying to hose your system? |
| 23:28.00 | wireddd | ok what modules to I need to have running to get /dev/sdaN to show up again? |
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| 23:28.37 | stew | codered: what are you trying to install? what is the missing or broken dependency? |
| 23:28.44 | codered | antgel: in debian there is the libqt3c102-mt |
| 23:28.51 | stew | codered: skype? |
| 23:28.55 | cowlover | i followed the instructions of dpkg to install xorg, but it's coming up with an experimental package warning, can i safely ignore it? |
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| 23:28.58 | SquareRt | antgel: what's that supposed to mean? we're frugal? tight? daft? |
| 23:29.04 | codered | but the package that i'm trying to install requires libqt3-mt |
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| 23:29.14 | stew | cowlover: what warning? |
| 23:29.15 | gravity | cowlover: Just be aware of it. |
| 23:29.21 | thingfish | cowlover: do you really need xorg? |
| 23:29.26 | gravity | cowlover: It'll say that for any non-official packages |
| 23:29.30 | antgel | SquareRt: the basic point of my campaign is that you're making your like hard if your data fits ona flash drive |
| 23:29.36 | cowlover | i need gnome, so yea |
| 23:29.39 | stew | codered: what package? where did you get it? |
| 23:29.42 | gravity | Or the experimental ones |
| 23:29.42 | antgel | s/like/life |
| 23:29.50 | gravity | cowlover: Uh... why do you need xorg to get gnome? |
| 23:30.02 | codered | stew: it's an italian chat program |
| 23:30.05 | thingfish | cowlover: well...um yes, what gravity said. |
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| 23:30.09 | SquareRt | antgel: well, I'd rather have more than a gig or two for my money |
| 23:30.13 | codered | you don't know it :D |
| 23:30.22 | thingfish | why is xfree86 not good enough, in other words. |
| 23:30.28 | cowlover | gravity : i thought that gnome is just a widow manager that sits on top of xorg |
| 23:30.39 | gravity | cowlover: As thingfish said, why is xfree86 not good enough? |
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| 23:30.52 | antgel | SquareRt: if you need the space then you have no option naturally. but you were saying you didn't want a flash drive because it will wear out and i was telling you not to be so silly" |
| 23:30.54 | majnoon | hi guys |
| 23:30.59 | SquareRt | antgel: annoyingly, it seems that caddy is "scsi-scsi" or "ide-firewire". bah. |
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| 23:31.04 | stew | codered: it should be rebuilt against the c102 version |
| 23:31.29 | SquareRt | antgel: but it's ambiguously worded, with lots of ands and ors |
| 23:31.31 | codered | stew: I don't have the sources |
| 23:31.40 | cowlover | xfree86 is good enough, just seems that xorg is more in usage, ie, there is no mention of xfree86 in the topic, but xorg is there |
| 23:31.41 | SquareRt | antgel: brb |
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| 23:31.56 | gravity | cowlover: That's because some people need xorg for new drivers |
| 23:31.59 | antgel | cowlover: what version of debian are you using? |
| 23:32.05 | gravity | cowlover: But for many others, xfree86 is sufficient |
| 23:32.07 | SquareRt | cowlover: because people moan about xorg, with xfree86 they just shut up and get on with it :P |
| 23:32.12 | cowlover | hehe |
| 23:32.13 | cowlover | ok |
| 23:32.18 | cowlover | 3.1 |
| 23:32.24 | stew | cowlover: ask the author to rebuild it then. or else if you really wanna install it against the wrong libraries, then extract the control file from the deb and change the Depends: line |
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| 23:32.36 | xai | how to configure a "lexmark 4227 plus" printer? |
| 23:32.40 | antgel | gravity: that's because some people think they need xorg. some even claim they can tell a difference during runtime :) |
| 23:32.45 | gravity | heh |
| 23:32.52 | cowlover | just want gnome 2.x to work with my nvidia graphics card. frankly i don't care if its xorg or xfree86 |
| 23:32.53 | antgel | xai: how to read the docs |
| 23:32.54 | SquareRt | cowlover: and, technically, Gnome is a Desktop Environment... the Window Manager it Metacity (used to be Sawfish) by default, but you can use any that supports Enhanced Window Manager Hints (EWMH) with it |
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| 23:33.02 | codered | stew: how can I extract it? |
| 23:33.13 | stew | codered: its an ar archive, man ar |
| 23:33.33 | codered | ok thanks |
| 23:33.35 | antgel | gravity: "i couldn't possibly go back to xfree86 now" etc etc |
| 23:33.39 | gravity | Right |
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| 23:34.26 | cowlover | SquareRt : ok, so if i want to use gnome, what is the quickest way to get it up and running? |
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| 23:34.34 | thingfish | it's like gucci came up with xorg or something. |
| 23:34.35 | stew | cowlover: apt-get install gnome |
| 23:34.35 | markybob | anyone know of a way to open edt (protected ebooks) ? |
| 23:34.35 | gravity | I mean, I don't particularly mind people going to Xorg, since I have a vested interest in it, but doing so without reason is kinda pointless |
| 23:34.40 | antgel | cowlover: aptitude install gnome |
| 23:34.45 | codered | bye |
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| 23:34.48 | sgeigerbot | Which package installs mod_ssl for apache2? |
| 23:35.00 | cowlover | ta |
| 23:35.08 | jhujhiti | sgeigerbot: it comes installed. |
| 23:35.09 | antgel | sgeigerbot: i think it's in by default (guess) |
| 23:35.22 | antgel | sgeigerbot: you might need to a2enmod |
| 23:35.33 | thingfish | cowlover's nick makes me think of either filet mignon, or gateways. |
| 23:35.50 | antgel | i just had hummus |
| 23:35.55 | thingfish | oh yum |
| 23:35.58 | stew | sgeigerbot: /msg dpkg search |
| 23:36.04 | spundun | beardy: apt-file list gcc and apt-file search /usr/bin/gcc both return blank result :( am I missing something? |
| 23:36.05 | xai | antgel: have you configured one? If not then you have no idea do you? |
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| 23:36.30 | sgeigerbot | stew: yeah, yeah...I know htat. |
| 23:36.39 | Hannibal | I poked dpkg about configuring my x-server, and it told me that to configure my x-server, I should run xf86config or xf86setup, however, I think I remembered from the last time I was in here (about 2 months ago) that there was some other utility I should or should not use? |
| 23:36.39 | sgeigerbot | antgel: thanks. that's apparently what I needed. |
| 23:36.44 | antgel | xai: no i haven't. my idea to read the docs is a good one, though |
| 23:36.49 | sgeigerbot | jhujhiti: thanks |
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| 23:37.06 | fbi | !tell Hannibal about xmd5 |
| 23:37.09 | xai | antgel: that has been done, several times over. pluse extensive google searching. |
| 23:37.11 | Hannibal | Sorry for such a vague / newbie question, but I'd appreciate some help on the matter, as last time I had to manually wipe my configuration and do it again. (so I was told, anyway |
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| 23:37.13 | antgel | sgeigerbot: apache2 config passed a lot pf people by, me included. i didn't read the maual *cough* |
| 23:37.17 | gravity | Hannibal: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, although if you used xf86config then you have to do the xmd5 thingy |
| 23:37.33 | Hannibal | right, knew there was something about it :) |
| 23:37.39 | Hannibal | thanks a lot, both of you! :) |
| 23:38.12 | antgel | xai: what is it, little inkjet? |
| 23:38.15 | vaiux | Is there a way with the testing installer, to enable swap very early? |
| 23:38.21 | cowlover | ok, how do i remove xorg from my system? |
| 23:38.31 | antgel | cowlover: install sarge |
| 23:38.34 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:38.41 | ralf | vaiux: heh, you too with 32MB ram? |
| 23:38.43 | thingfish | but really... |
| 23:38.51 | vaiux | ralf: yeah |
| 23:38.57 | vaiux | ralf: exactly heh |
| 23:38.59 | ralf | i have 16 |
| 23:38.59 | cowlover | andreiutz : just did |
| 23:39.05 | sgeigerbot | antgel: If "docs" always meant the same source of information, that would happen more often... Problem is there are docs everywhere. ;-) |
| 23:39.10 | stew | cowlover: apt-get remove x11-common |
| 23:39.15 | sgeigerbot | Not all docs are created equal. |
| 23:39.19 | ralf | on the router thought |
| 23:39.23 | thingfish | it's the best thing I ever did. I don't worry about anything anymore (since I installed sarge and stopped mixing it and etch and unstable). |
| 23:39.29 | xai | antgel: 3part pounder.. dot matrix.. I |
| 23:39.31 | antgel | sgeigerbot: yeah. i refer to /usr/share/doc |
| 23:39.31 | cowlover | thanks |
| 23:39.55 | vaiux | ralf: same thing here, have you found a way to do it? |
| 23:40.08 | antgel | xai: interesting. no emulation? |
| 23:40.13 | xai | antgel: it doesn't print well in raw format, and almost prints in okidata ml 321 drivers, but the fonts are not write. |
| 23:40.18 | ralf | vaiux: i haven't debian on the router |
| 23:40.19 | ralf | but |
| 23:40.27 | ralf | you can switch to vt2 |
| 23:40.31 | antgel | xai: may i direct you to #cups? |
| 23:40.32 | ralf | then swapon XXXX |
| 23:40.45 | _markus_ | hi! is there a way around the sd_mod / sata - freezing problem? trying to install debian and cant get past the point where the installer tries to detect my sata disk. cant find a solution in the web :-/ |
| 23:41.01 | antgel | xai: or to the vendor :| |
| 23:41.04 | xai | antgel: no because #cups is dead. |
| 23:41.23 | maalox | I have a hard drive (both partitions) that refuses to mount, saying that it's busy or "already mounted", even though it doesn't show up in fstab or mtab. All dmesg tells me is that "cache flushes are unsupported", but I'm not sure if that's a problem. Anyone know what might be wrong? |
| 23:41.35 | spundun | hi all.... anyidea how can I search which package owns a particular file? |
| 23:41.37 | thingfish | I swear I wish I ran a geek bar in amsterdam. |
| 23:41.38 | antgel | xai: cups mailing list? newsgroup? istr they have a newsgroup on a dedicated server |
| 23:41.53 | antgel | !tell spundun about search |
| 23:42.00 | Guerin | spundun: dpkg -S |
| 23:42.11 | cowlover | thanks guys, all the help is much appreciated |
| 23:42.17 | vaiux | ralf: I'll have to try that, I tried starting it in expert, and starting a shell, but there is no /dev entry for the hd |
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| 23:42.38 | Pitchin_uk | i get an error message when trying to extract a zip file |
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| 23:42.49 | stew | and the error is.... |
| 23:42.57 | thingfish | cowlover: #debian people love nothing more than helping their fellow human beings. :) |
| 23:43.01 | ralf | vaiux: what's your hd? |
| 23:43.06 | Guerin | stew: don't be so presumptuous |
| 23:43.07 | ralf | create it |
| 23:43.10 | ralf | hda? |
| 23:43.12 | polvorin | hi |
| 23:43.13 | vaiux | yeah |
| 23:43.16 | Guerin | stew: why should WE get to know the error? |
| 23:43.18 | ralf | use mknok |
| 23:43.29 | stew | Guerin: sorry i was looking for the easyway out |
| 23:43.33 | polvorin | can i get help in spanish? |
| 23:43.39 | stew | Pitchin_uk: your disk is full |
| 23:43.44 | antgel | thingfish: i had a similar liberation upon moving to sarge. but again i was moving from an old sid box that hadn't been upgraded for months |
| 23:43.45 | thingfish | en #debian-es peude |
| 23:43.48 | Guerin | stew: yeah - rtfm - read their fucking minds, noob. |
| 23:43.55 | stew | i did! |
| 23:44.04 | polvorin | ok thanks |
| 23:44.09 | ralf | vaiux: mknod /dev/hda c 3 0 |
| 23:44.13 | ralf | vaiux: mknod /dev/hda1 c 3 1 |
| 23:44.16 | ralf | vaiux: mknod /dev/hda2 c 3 2 |
| 23:44.18 | Guerin | stew: wow, good work. |
| 23:44.19 | ralf | and so on |
| 23:44.35 | ralf | vaiux: sorry, b |
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| 23:44.36 | ralf | not c |
| 23:44.37 | antgel | stew: what are this week's lottery numbers and will my future wife have nice baps? |
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| 23:44.55 | Guerin | !dict baps |
| 23:44.56 | dpkg | could not find definition for baps |
| 23:44.57 | Pitchin_uk | stew: sorry the error is zip is not in your path |
| 23:44.59 | stew | antgel: your future will will have nice ones, however he will beat you |
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| 23:45.22 | vaiux | ralf: thanks, I'll give it a shot |
| 23:45.25 | antgel | Pitchin_uk: install unzip |
| 23:45.29 | wesleywillians | hi everybody |
| 23:45.35 | mike_sol | hi |
| 23:45.39 | antgel | hi dr nick |
| 23:45.54 | antgel | stew: i'd take that :) |
| 23:45.57 | wesleywillians | so, i have a notebook hp nx6125 with the bradcomcom pci card (wireless). |
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| 23:46.30 | wesleywillians | so, i'd like to know if exist any driver to suport this device, if so, where can i find that.... |
| 23:46.43 | enveezee | what does enveezee do after a restful weekend? I open this here pack of smarties tart sugar candies and have at it |
| 23:46.48 | ralf | wesleywillians: ndiswrapper |
| 23:47.05 | thingfish | eww too sour. |
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| 23:47.17 | stew | enveezee: breakfast of champions? |
| 23:47.17 | niclas | !tell me about apt-secure |
| 23:47.19 | p4szczur | hi |
| 23:47.21 | thingfish | !chocolate |
| 23:47.21 | dpkg | well, chocolate is the food of the gods |
| 23:47.25 | enveezee | hey got to wake up sooner or later |
| 23:47.26 | SlammerXP | wesleywillians: next time, check that hardware is supported properly _before_ you buy it |
| 23:47.33 | thingfish | literally, yes it is. teonanacatl. |
| 23:47.50 | thingfish | how smart our dpkg is. |
| 23:47.59 | enveezee | dpkg is back :) |
| 23:48.04 | mike_sol | enveezee, smarties are better in canada, where they are the enhanced, real-sugar-based m&ms of the gods |
| 23:48.08 | thingfish | #fedora had a bot for a while...could barely add and subtract. |
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| 23:48.29 | enveezee | well imagine the idiots using fedora it had to learn from |
| 23:48.31 | stew | !1+1+1 |
| 23:48.31 | dpkg | 3 |
| 23:48.36 | thingfish | and of course it charged for every question you asked it. |
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| 23:48.41 | mike_sol | !sqrt(-1) |
| 23:48.41 | dpkg | i |
| 23:48.45 | mike_sol | Awesome |
| 23:48.46 | stew | nice |
| 23:48.59 | thingfish | I'm just kidding. |
| 23:48.59 | enveezee | mike_sol: they put ecstacy on them? |
| 23:49.03 | thingfish | badda-bing |
| 23:49.08 | mike_sol | enveezee, i don't see why you couldn't |
| 23:49.20 | thingfish | I've never done ecstasy. |
| 23:49.24 | enveezee | well because I dont have any for one thing |
| 23:49.27 | enveezee | me either |
| 23:49.52 | enveezee | something about mixing a bunch of narcotics into a street drug cocktail doesnt seem too smart to me |
| 23:49.59 | p4szczur | anybody can help me with enlightenment DR16, please? :) |
| 23:50.04 | mike_sol | i figure if you try smarties you won't need to do e. you'll just need a big box of smarties |
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| 23:50.06 | thingfish | I'm old now...pot's plenty. |
| 23:50.11 | enveezee | a young girl I went to high school with died from that stuff |
| 23:50.15 | niclas | could it be that apt-proxy 1.3.7 does not work with newer apt (secure) anymore??? i went through *evrything* about apt-secure, but it still ignores package lists on update. even with allow-unauthenticated set. |
| 23:50.15 | p4szczur | can <-> anybody :P |
| 23:50.16 | thingfish | yikes |
| 23:50.25 | fbi | real ecstacy isn't a "bunch of narcotics", it's MDMA. |
| 23:50.29 | mike_sol | p4szczur, whats up |
| 23:50.32 | sgeigerbot | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5635601813&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT <-- Tortilla chip shaped like Holy Madonna Virgin Mary |
| 23:50.40 | eiojf | Hi, I can't get Samba to work. It sees the people on the network but says to me that none of these things have any shares |
| 23:50.51 | niclas | erm, i ment it the other way round = apt-secure does not work with apt-prxy |
| 23:50.52 | Guerin | eiojf: #samba |
| 23:50.55 | p4szczur | you know, i can;t do anything when i load e16 |
| 23:50.59 | thingfish | oh I pray to madonna tortilla chips every night before bed. |
| 23:51.05 | eiojf | okay, thank you Guerin |
| 23:51.10 | p4szczur | there's no manu under lmb |
| 23:51.14 | thingfish | hail mary, full of calories... |
| 23:51.28 | p4szczur | a don't know what to do if i want run sth |
| 23:51.40 | mike_sol | p4szczur, do you have 'menu' |
| 23:51.43 | thingfish | ...tough room tonight. |
| 23:51.57 | SquareRt | why is it that the current bandwagon is size and if you want fast disks you seem to be left out in the cold?? |
| 23:52.06 | p4szczur | ammm... i have menus @ rmb & mmb but no aps |
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| 23:52.17 | p4szczur | no modules lika on elivecd |
| 23:52.23 | mike_sol | SquareRt, lots of big disks = speed (if we pretend latency doesn't matter) |
| 23:52.28 | SquareRt | it seems like I could, perhaps, get a 10Krpm SATA disk and put that in a firewire enclosure... but I don't already have any of those |
| 23:52.33 | mike_sol | i'm a 10kRPM man myself though |
| 23:52.39 | silsor | tomorrow is the 4th anniversary of Bug #119689 |
| 23:52.44 | SquareRt | whereas I have a 36G 10Krpm disk lying around |
| 23:52.46 | p4szczur | lol |
| 23:52.51 | Guerin | !dbugs 119689 |
| 23:52.52 | mike_sol | p4szczur, i meant the 'menu' package from debian |
| 23:52.54 | dpkg | #119689:M[libpam-modules] Missing space in message from pam_mail; Thu, 15 Nov 2001 10:33:03 UTC |
| 23:53.01 | p4szczur | let me see |
| 23:53.14 | SquareRt | mike_sol: what I meant was... |
| 23:53.17 | enveezee | there are bugs way older than that |
| 23:53.21 | SquareRt | whereas I have a 36G 10Krpm *SCSI* disk lying around |
| 23:53.32 | enveezee | there are probably bugs against sawfish nearing a decade |
| 23:53.36 | niclas | how can i downgrade apt to a version <0.6 ? |
| 23:53.42 | silsor | enveezee: this one is an unfixed typo in a common package |
| 23:53.48 | niclas | apt-get does not have a downgrade function... :-( |
| 23:53.52 | mike_sol | SquareRt, what's the problem here? you want me to send you a scsi controller from 1989? i have one kicking around here. |
| 23:54.04 | mike_sol | shipping C.O.D. |
| 23:54.07 | mike_sol | :P |
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| 23:54.12 | ralf | 3,4 methilen dioxy meth anphetamine |
| 23:54.17 | p4szczur | mike_sol, mhm - v2.1.24 |
| 23:54.20 | chealer | niclas: indeed. why do you want to do that? |
| 23:54.21 | SquareRt | mike_sol: what do you mean by a "scsi controller from 1989" ?? |
| 23:54.23 | drewpster | but it does have a remove niclas |
| 23:54.30 | ralf | or multi word direct memory access |
| 23:54.35 | mike_sol | SquareRt, i dunno, just making chat. |
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| 23:54.41 | ralf | the choiche is yours |
| 23:54.43 | plbgnr | hello, |
| 23:54.49 | niclas | drewpster: i can't REMOVE apt itself... that would brake everything. |
| 23:54.54 | p4szczur | hi plbgnr |
| 23:55.03 | SquareRt | mike_sol: I have a sparcstation 20 I could use for that kind of "performance" |
| 23:55.06 | niclas | chealer: apt 6.4 ignores package lists like hell. and i mean WITH the keys installed |
| 23:55.09 | thingfish | alcohol is so much more fun to talk about than drugs. I mean, with alcohol, there's recipes. |
| 23:55.21 | p4szczur | what a strange name, plbgnr. is that mean anything? |
| 23:55.27 | thingfish | like I know how to make this killer vodka lemonade. |
| 23:55.40 | mike_sol | SquareRt, hey man i'm working on a 386 with windows 3.1 over here and trying to make it authenticate to a samba PDC. i'd kill for some nice sun gear right now |
| 23:55.41 | fbi | thingfish: you don't think there are drug recipes? |
| 23:55.42 | drewpster | i meant: apt-get remove programname |
| 23:55.43 | silsor | enveezee: the other nice thing about this bug is that thousands of people experience it every single time they log in to their machine, and it's blatantly obvious |
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| 23:55.50 | SquareRt | thingfish: does it involve... vodka.. and lemonade?? |
| 23:55.52 | niclas | chealer: the output of apt-get update looks like a long list of "Ign". in http://www.syntaxpolice.org/apt-secure/x31.html they say: "IMS requests/"Hit" are broken for Release and Release.gpg" -- looks like my problem... |
| 23:55.52 | plbgnr | is there any command to get specific line (I don't want use combination of head and tail) |
| 23:55.57 | thingfish | fbi: not like there are alcohol recipes. |
| 23:56.02 | enveezee | silsor: yeah |
| 23:56.11 | thingfish | hehe SquareRt you sly dog you. |
| 23:56.12 | d03boy | 85% of 512mb is being used in testing right now... I'm using gnome, xchat, xmms, and a browser... how am i using so much dang memory? |
| 23:56.13 | SquareRt | mike_sol: lemme guess.. you work for a place called Initech too? |
| 23:56.27 | fbi | thingfish: people mix drugs and make drug "cocktails" all the time |
| 23:56.29 | mike_sol | SquareRt, might as well be. watched that the other night too :D |
| 23:57.00 | bucky | wesleywillians: is that an amd64 laptop? |
| 23:57.01 | mike_sol | i have to learn how to use a dos debugger to get around a password in a dos program from fifteen years ago just so we don't have to spend $600 on a new machine |
| 23:57.03 | SquareRt | mike_sol: my favourite scene was where they take a baseball bat to the printer |
| 23:57.11 | mike_sol | pc load letter |
| 23:57.11 | thingfish | fbi: yes but tell me this: do they involve berry flavors? Or syrups? Or blenders? |
| 23:57.12 | eeyore- | mike_sol: if they had to make you use windows 3.1, it's time to get a new job |
| 23:57.13 | enveezee | d03boy: free memory is wasted |
| 23:57.22 | SquareRt | mike_sol: what the **** does that mean? |
| 23:57.24 | mike_sol | eeyore-, i tried freedos but the program wouldnt run |
| 23:57.36 | mike_sol | challenge is good |
| 23:57.40 | d03boy | enveezee, well its making my computer run slow |
| 23:57.59 | fbi | thingfish: most drink cocktails don't use any of those either. |
| 23:58.04 | eeyore- | mike_sol: what you call challenge i call waste of time and opportunities :-) |
| 23:58.07 | enveezee | d03boy: thats funny, ram does exactly the opposite. |
| 23:58.14 | Hannibal | fbi / gravity: thanks a bunch! I totally forgot that while my new tft/lcd screen might handle 1280x1024 @ 24/32-bits depth, my old graphics card in my old box doesn't really. SiS card too :(. Anyhow, all the flickering and annoying rendering mistakes are gone now :) |
| 23:58.15 | p4szczur | mike_sol, i have menu v2.1.24 |
| 23:58.32 | mike_sol | p4szczur, so when you middle click on the desktop do you get a menu |
| 23:58.35 | thingfish | I used to manage a bar, fbi, I know. |
| 23:58.38 | mike_sol | or was it right click, i havent used e in a while |
| 23:58.43 | enveezee | d03boy: are you sure you dont just have no clue what you are talking about and attributed the problem to the first thing you could fixate your attention on? |
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| 23:58.50 | p4szczur | yes i di |
| 23:59.00 | d03boy | enveezee, I have absolutely no clue what i'm talking about |
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| 23:59.07 | Hannibal | so, I'll leave you to it. I'm quite sure dhcp will fix itself when I'm logged out on this machine long enough, that was a problem the last time I installed Debian as well... :( |
| 23:59.09 | thingfish | I am thinking about giving up the computer repair business and buying a bar/grill. |
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| 23:59.13 | p4szczur | but i don't under left mouse button |
| 23:59.17 | Hannibal | crappy ISP. |
| 23:59.25 | antgel | thingfish: grill your computer |
| 23:59.26 | chealer | niclas: hum, which apt version? did you put the output somewhere? |
| 23:59.28 | thingfish | I want to serve good drinks, and good italian home cooking. |
| 23:59.29 | enveezee | thingfish: go for it. |
| 23:59.30 | mike_sol | p4szczur, i am going to assume english is not your first language |
| 23:59.30 | eeyore- | d03boy: unplugging DIMMs from your computer makes it not use that memory |
| 23:59.34 | p4szczur | i'd like to have my favorite apps under lmb |
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| 23:59.43 | p4szczur | excuse me :P |
| 23:59.49 | d03boy | well in that case, how can I make it not run slow as hell |
| 23:59.55 | wireddd | does udev have its own log somewhere? |
| 23:59.57 | p4szczur | i'm only (?) 20 |
| 23:59.59 | thingfish | and I want to have the best pork tenderloin sandwich you can buy. |
